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00:00 TR News; (NEW): CentOS Continues Its Demise, Red Hat Issues Puff Pieces http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/CentOS_Continues_Its_Demise_Red_Hat_Issues_Puff_Pieces.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/CentOS_Continues_Its_Demise_Red_Hat_Issues_Puff_Pieces.gmi
00:00 TR Bot; Tux Machines CentOS Continues Its Demise, Red Hat Issues Puff Pieces
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00:08 TR News; Links 22/09/2022: ExTiX 22.9, Rust 1.64.0, Weston 11.0.0, New Mesa, and OpenCL 3.0.12 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/22/extix-22-9/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/22/extix-22-9/
00:08 TR Bot; Links 22/09/2022: ExTiX 22.9, Rust 1.64.0, Weston 11.0.0, New Mesa, and OpenCL 3.0.12 | Techrights
00:12 starstreak; i like AlmaLinux over Rocky Linux
00:12 TR News; (NEW): Servers: Containers, Clown Computing, and September 2022 Web Server Survey http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/Servers_Containers_Clown_Computing_and_September_2022_Web_Serve.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/Servers_Containers_Clown_Computing_and_September_2022_Web_Serve.gmi
00:12 TR Bot; Tux Machines Servers: Containers, Clown Computing, and September 2022 Web Server Survey
00:12 schestowitz[TR]; Alma= Microsofters
00:12 schestowitz[TR]; Rocky= not
00:14 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], what makes the difference?
00:14 starstreak; rocky took forever to release version 9
00:15 starstreak; thats my reason for the preference
00:15 starstreak; i used to prefer ScientificLinux vs Centos because SL was faster at releasing the latest rhel
00:15 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/today_s_leftovers.gmi
00:15 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; speed is not everything
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; anyhow..
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; if you want speed, use betas
00:17 starstreak; what makes alma microsoft?
00:17 starstreak; if i wanted speed (of releases) i'd choose centos 9 stream
00:17 starstreak; centos 9 stream is a nice server os
00:18 starstreak; but i think i would want openbsd or freebsd for a server tbh
00:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
00:20 MinceR; make sure you have IPMI, then
00:21 MinceR; so you can manually power it down when it gets stuck in shutdown :>
00:21 starstreak; assuming it has the same bugs you've run into
00:21 MinceR; it's the same systemd
00:21 MinceR; of course it has the same bugs
00:21 starstreak; BSD doesn't have systemd
00:22 highest_cubist_thrills; oh, someone will find a way
00:22 highest_cubist_thrills; thats why you need a bsd that doesnt have time for such bullshit
00:22 starstreak; oh you're talking about centos, it doesn't have that bug
00:22 highest_cubist_thrills; rc.d in openbsd is the very epitome of a canadian init system
00:22 MinceR; i was talking about centos
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; its well-read, polite, unassuming, and doesnt involve itself with any of the fucking nonsense happening south in the united states of linuks
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; if you dont want to deal with rc.d it wont bother you
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; if you blamed something on rc.d that had fuck-all to do with it
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; it would probably still say "im sorry!"
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; and systemd is the precise opposite in every way.
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; its basically the epitome of a german douchebag init system
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; just the other day mjg thought he saw some "d/s energy" in hackers
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; i consider it a stretch.
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd is entirely d/s energy, but he didnt notice that (or didnt mention it)
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd is fine for submissive users
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; and being submissive is no crime
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; the problem is, the only safeword for systemd is openbsd
00:25 starstreak; :3
00:25 mjg59_; You don't think Acid Burn telling Dade that he'll be her slave has that?
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; You don't think Acid Burn telling Dade that he'll be her slave has that? <- i think the context of all that is just posturing and oneupmanship
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think youre insane for seeing that.
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; but i think its interesting that tahts where you take it
00:26 mjg59_; That's clearly not Dade's initial reaction
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; not because im a prude like roy
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; if i agreed, id have no problem admitting it
00:26 DaemonFC; A stop job is running on....
00:26 mjg59_; Hence the "You wish" bit tacked on afterwards
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; i dunno, ill watch it again (when im able-- great movie)
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; just to stay honest.
00:26 *DaemonFC "Fuck this". Holds power button.
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; but itll be a while
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; love the movie
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; love jolie.
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; loved most of all, the bit with the rotary phone.
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; that was awesome
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; we used to have one
00:27 DaemonFC; mjg59_: kio_slave
00:27 DaemonFC; :)
00:27 DaemonFC; Mr. Slave
00:27 DaemonFC; Plantation Mint tea.
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; but dont stop there
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; check out the d/s energy in free software projects
00:27 DaemonFC; Doordash slave.
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; because i think thats FINE when its between consenting adults
00:28 starstreak; mjg59_, i agree with you
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; but i dont consent to systemd
00:28 DaemonFC; GULAG is a cockroach.
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and it sucks that when i dont, it takes all my other "friends" away (im playing up that metaphor its true)
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; its not just d/s its control/abuse/gaslighting
00:28 DaemonFC; No matter how bad the layoffs in Silly Valley get, he'll manage to curl up at the feet of the 1% and keep a job somewhere.
00:28 mjg59_; Everyone should have the freedom to run the software they want to
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and everyone seems fine with that
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> Everyone should have the freedom to run the software they want to <- easy to say
00:28 mjg59_; And not be obliged to run software they don't want to
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and apparently easy to destroy.
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; because it used to be a lot easier to do just that
00:29 DaemonFC; mjg59_And not be obliged to run software they don't want to
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; and i was no expert back then
00:29 MinceR; 23 012650 * DaemonFC "Fuck this". Holds power button.
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; i barely knew what i was doing
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; but i had more freedom at the time.
00:29 DaemonFC; Speaking of which, how do I remove shim completely?
00:29 MinceR; yeah, that's a bit more difficult in a data center :>
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; theyve worked a lot of little insinuations to this mess
00:29 MinceR; what's all this d/s anyway? electron orbitals?
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; read microsofts pdf of "creating stickiness"
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; theyve done it
00:30 MinceR; citroen DS?
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; mincer: think the scene in pulp fiction where dude has a ball in his mouth
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; (a red ball... not...)
00:30 mjg59_; Could have been sunburned
00:31 MinceR; ic
00:31 highest_cubist_thrills; fair point
00:31 highest_cubist_thrills; /me would feel sorry for nearly anyone who had sunburn there
00:31 highest_cubist_thrills; felt sorry for the guy in pulp fiction too
00:31 highest_cubist_thrills; for different reasons obviously
00:33 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> And not be obliged to run software they don't want to <- i already went over the effects of secure boot being like election fraud
00:33 highest_cubist_thrills; what they do to free software by chaining it altogether is more like gerrymandering
00:33 highest_cubist_thrills; but i dont know how far this metaphor can go before it gives
00:34 highest_cubist_thrills; metaphors always carry a risk of being nitpicked to death and the point being missed
00:34 highest_cubist_thrills; of course there are also sloppy metaphors that get taken too seriously, which is the opposite problem
00:34 highest_cubist_thrills; we could do without metaphors entirely but that would be like going around and popping everyones balloon
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; 'secure' boot: assuring you boot into an NSA-approved POS with b ack doors
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; security the mjg59_ way: it MUST have back doors
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; back doors are security
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; also, abuses are ethics
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; lies and "facts"
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; and picking on vulnerable victims is "social justice"
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft is trust
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; community is... trash
00:39 TR News; "This tutorial will be helpful for beginners to install firefox 105 on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, Ubuntu 20.04, and Linux Mint 21." https://tipsonunix.com/2022/09/20/install-firefox-105-on-ubuntu-linux-mint/
00:39 TR Bot; Install Firefox 105 on Ubuntu / Linux Mint - Tips On Unix
00:39 DaemonFC; MinceRyeah, that's a bit more difficult in a data center :>
00:40 DaemonFC; Maybe that's why Lennart doesn't care about systemd causing shutdown hangs.
00:40 TR News; How to Encrypt Sensitive Files Using GnuPG on Linux https://www.makeuseof.com/encrypt-sensitive-files-using-gnupg-linux/ Source: Make Use Of | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.makeuseof.com/encrypt-sensitive-files-using-gnupg-linux/
00:40 TR Bot; How to Encrypt Sensitive Files Using GnuPG on Linux
00:40 DaemonFC; He can power off his laptop by force like I can.
00:40 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: not good
00:40 schestowitz[TR]; you can lose data
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; or break files
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; happened to me recently
00:41 DaemonFC; It's usually something unimportant that's hung.
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; I created a bag animated gif
00:41 DaemonFC; I actually set the timeout lower.
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; it ran my machine out of ram
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; had to forcible reboot
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; and then the irc logs had binary crap in them
00:41 DaemonFC; If it's not shut down in 20 seconds, the system just goes ahead and kills that service and proceeds.
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; had to surgically remove out that cruft
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; otherwise the log files for irc were not generated properlt
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; all this because of a force shutdown
00:42 DaemonFC; I have never seen something take longer than 5 seconds to shut down if it's responding.
00:42 DaemonFC; 20 seconds should be more than sufficient.
00:42 DaemonFC; systemd defaults to a minute and a half.
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00:42 schestowitz[TR]; in servers, 5 mins is a long time
00:42 schestowitz[TR]; if you make the boot take 5 minutes longer
00:42 schestowitz[TR]; that's downtime
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; maybe the microsoft employee (lLP) thinks it's like windopws
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; pray for 5 minutes, get coffee, listen to a song
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00:43 schestowitz[TR]; and then the application/task gets shut down
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00:44 DaemonFC; mjg59_'s community.....Dr. Pizza, Jeremy Soule, Alex Graveley, and Rick Jones. Microsoft family.
00:45 DaemonFC; Don't forget it wasn't just Bill Gates on Epstein's flight logs. Paul Allen and Nathan Myhrvold were too!
00:45 DaemonFC; Paul Allen....Well, he's dead.
00:46 MinceR; but what sort of business card does he have?
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; ballmer and gates were scheming to stealk allen's money
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; when they found out he had gotten ill
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; company of criminals and sociopaths
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; organised crime basicaly
00:47 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/today_s_howtos.3.gmi
00:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
00:48 DaemonFC; WHO SAID SIT DOWN!? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! -Ballmer
00:48 DaemonFC; Sweating out of every orifice.
00:49 TR News; "Class::Plain provides a class syntax for the hash-based Perl OO." http://blogs.perl.org/users/yuki_kimoto/2022/09/classplain---a-class-syntax-for-the-hash-based-perl-oo.html
00:49 TR Bot; - Class Syntax for Hash-Based Perl OO | Yuki Kimoto Perl Blog - Perl Club [blogs.perl.org]
00:49 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Could you describe the back doors?
00:49 DaemonFC; I wonder if a 12 year old girl on Epstein's island had to have Ballmer's balls after the rest of Microsoft's executives took turns on her.
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00:49 scientes; fucking monkey bitch
00:49 TR News; Niko Matsakis: Rust 2024the year of everywhere? http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2022/09/22/rust-2024-the-year-of-everywhere/
00:49 TR Bot; Baby Steps
00:49 scientes; rzd steals 1000 roubles from me, NO SHAME
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; "WHO SAID SIT DOWN!? "
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; [picks chair]
00:50 scientes; I am just this dirty American that desreves to be robbed from
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; rzd?
00:50 scientes; and now I wont be able to get much to eat until the metro opens at 5
00:50 scientes; schestowitz, russian national railway company
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; that's why few people choose to live in russia
00:51 scientes; and behind glass too so I couldn't give her the smacking she desreved
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; except those who are "stuck" there
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; our money here still shows a dead person
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; so we have necrocurrency
00:52 schestowitz[TR]; soon chuckcoins
00:52 scientes; schestowitz I have had George VI coins
00:52 scientes; pure copper tooo
00:52 scientes; so you are judging by the wrong feature
00:53 scientes; the rouble coins are all super low domination because they are from the inflation crisis a few years back
00:53 scientes; (and Georgia had an inflation crisis, that was long overdue, as soon as the Messiah left)
00:53 scientes; which shows just how bankrupt that Ukraine version 2 is
00:53 scientes; (I am not talking about Georgia, just those Tbilisi fucktards)
00:54 schestowitz[TR]; georgia's on maaaa mind
00:54 scientes; schestowitz it says that in the Tbilisi metro
00:54 scientes; and there is also a Charlie Chaplain exhibition from before WW2
00:55 scientes; by an artist that was a huge fan
00:55 scientes; you see, Charlie Chaplain was warning about Zyclon-B before the invasion of Poland
00:55 scientes; so, before the war started
00:55 highest_cubist_thrills; Charlie Chaplain was warning about Zyclon-B before the invasion of Poland <- brilliant
00:56 highest_cubist_thrills; also he may have been gypsy (roma)
00:56 scientes; highest_cubist_thrills, suck a dick
00:56 scientes; /IGNORE highest_cubist_thrills
00:56 highest_cubist_thrills; scientes: i think maybe crossed wires, but it depends
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin#/media/File:Charlie_Chaplin_portrait.jpg
00:56 TR Bot; Charlie Chaplin - Wikipedia
00:56 highest_cubist_thrills; on whether youre responding to what i just said, or something earlier
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; had many wives
00:57 highest_cubist_thrills; though its hard to get context from a single word. maybe try asking before you tell me what to do with dicks
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; die in Switzerland
00:57 highest_cubist_thrills; still, your choice
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; had kids at old age
00:57 scientes; https://web.archive.org/web/20101223191014/http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/4/newsid_2794000/2794107.stm
00:57 TR Bot; BBC ON THIS DAY | 4 | 1975: Comic genius Chaplin is knighted
00:58 scientes; schestowitz, also received some Oscars, where he totally doesn't belong with all those anti-commie fascists
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; "On 1 March 1978, Chaplin's coffin was dug up and stolen from its grave by Roman Wardas and Gantcho Ganev. The body was held for ransom in an attempt to extort money from his widow, Oona Chaplin. The pair were caught in a large police operation in May, and Chaplin's coffin was found buried in a field in the nearby village of Noville. It was re-interred in the Corsier cemetery in a reinforced concrete vault"
00:58 scientes; schestowitz, the Queen's bastard son is a bit of a fruitcake
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00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 42.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 63.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 144.95
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00:59 schestowitz[TR]; "His paternal grandmother came from the Smith family, who belonged to Romani people"
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; so highest_cubist_thrills was right
01:00 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah ssometimes im wrong but i dont just make this shit up
01:01 scientes; but he also is just here to make trouble
01:01 schestowitz[TR]; still alive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Chaplin
01:01 TR Bot; Christopher Chaplin - Wikipedia
01:01 schestowitz[TR]; many of his kids (11) were wll known
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; "when Chaplin was born, his father was 73 years old"
01:02 MinceR; "and when you're dying i'll be still alive"
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oona_O%27Neill
01:03 TR Bot; Oona O'Neill - Wikipedia
01:04 scientes; XRevan86, after seeing the deep cultural differences of Russia I don't think Abkhazia joining the Russian Federation makes any sense. Just act *as-if* it already was, but leaving the border crossing for trucks/cars, and instead extent RZD passenger service to Abkhazia, with a publically stated goal of going as far as Batumi.
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; " In her last will, O'Neill, who was a prolific writer of diaries and letters during her life, ordered that all her writings be destroyed, and never published"
01:05 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oona_O%27Neill#/media/File:Charles_Chaplin_and_Oona_Chaplin_Grave_in_Corsier-sur-Vevey.JPG
01:05 TR Bot; Oona O'Neill - Wikipedia
01:05 scientes; note to self: in Russia it is not a good idea to do business with anyone behind a pane of glass.
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01:08 MinceR; it's not even a good idea to _be_ in russia
01:08 XRevan86; scientes: Don't really understand.
01:08 MinceR; unless you've brought an army with you
01:08 MinceR; or at least a mecha or something.
01:08 scientes; XRevan86, Russia has so much internal security
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01:09 scientes; that there is no disadvantage in being like Belarus
01:09 schestowitz[TR]; 'security'
01:09 schestowitz[TR]; to protect putin from his own people
01:09 scientes; schestowitz I didn't *not* say that
01:09 scientes; schestowitz have you been to the London airports?
01:09 scientes; it is not any different
01:09 scientes; the US airports are actually not like that
01:10 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills, scientes: We got a political channel #techpol now.
01:10 TR News; (NEW): Audacity 3.2 Released with Real-Time and VST3 Effects, FFmpeg 5.0 and WavPack Support http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Audacity_3_2_Released_with_Real_Time_and_VST3_Effects_FFmpeg_5_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Audacity_3_2_Released_with_Real_Time_and_VST3_Effects_FFmpeg_5_.gmi
01:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines Audacity 3.2 Released with Real-Time and VST3 Effects, FFmpeg 5.0 and WavPack Support
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01:11 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/police-inmates-got-out-of-illinois-jail-with-pandemic-loans/
01:11 TR Bot; Police: Inmates got out of Illinois jail with pandemic loans | WGN-TV
01:11 DaemonFC; More than two dozen criminals in Illinois got fake Paycheck Protection Program loans from the Trump administration and used them to post bail and flee.
01:16 DaemonFC; https://archive.ph/dkLDX
01:16 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
01:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
01:20 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/more-than-two-dozen-criminals-in-illinois-got-fake-paycheck-protection-program-loans-from-the-trump-administration-and-used-them-to-post-bail-and-flee/
01:20 TR Bot; More than two dozen criminals in Illinois got fake Paycheck Protection Program loans from the Trump administration and used them to post bail and flee. | BaronHK's Rants
01:22 AdmFubar; https://www.snopes.com/?s=Paycheck+Protection+Program
01:22 TR Bot; searched for Paycheck Protection Program | Snopes.com
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01:35 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]: mjg59_ is very tetchy, but you say he isn't trans and who am I to argue. 0xBIGBOOBIES are expensive though and that's one plausible need for a lot off Microsoft cash.
01:36 DaemonFC; Maybe he's just tetchy because he is a 0xBIGBOOB.
01:46 starstreak; everyone in here should switch to openBSD
01:48 MinceR; i would, if it performed better
01:49 DaemonFC; Where do they plan to put Rust in the Linux kernel?
01:49 DaemonFC; The drivers tree?
01:49 DaemonFC; The core?
01:51 starstreak; MinceR, did you ever tweak it for speed?
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 37.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 50.95 average k/sec., average swarm size 136.78
02:00 immibis_; DaemonFC: are these "trans" in the room with us right now?
02:01 DaemonFC; I'll let you know if I see any.
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02:04 DaemonFC; Transpotting
02:13 DaemonFC; MinceR, Here's more "I hate dogs." stuff.
02:13 DaemonFC; My cousin went to take care of a home health patient, and the patient's brother left a bunch of pitbulls roaming around the house.
02:14 DaemonFC; So my cousin walked in and they mauled her, and Animal Control has the dogs and is going to have them destroyed.
02:14 DaemonFC; I told my mom they should update the vicious animal law so that their owner gets put down as well for failing to control them.
02:15 DaemonFC; Everyone be all like "Why does my landlord say NO DOGS!!?!? PITBULLS ARE NICE, REALLY!!!!".
02:15 DaemonFC; I had a dog that was a nice dog. She never attacked anyone. Absolutely never would.
02:15 DaemonFC; People who own vicious breeds are the reason nobody can have a dog if they rent an apartment.
02:16 MinceR; starstreak: no, i didn't know how to
02:17 MinceR; 23 030003 < immibis_> DaemonFC: are these "trans" in the room with us right now?
02:17 DaemonFC; It's not just that they shit all over the floor and fuck up the house with claws and stuff. Cats can ruin carpet too. The reason why landlords don't allow DOGS is because you open up your door, they leap out and maul someone, and they sue the landlord and his property insurance premiums triple.
02:17 MinceR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%E1%BA%A7n
02:17 TR Bot; Trn - Wikipedia
02:17 MinceR; DaemonFC: lol @ pitbulls being "nice"
02:17 DaemonFC; Replacing cheap carpet in one room is a few hundred bucks.
02:18 DaemonFC; Having a dog leap out and attack someone in your building can be several hundred a month for years in premium hikes on your property insurance.
02:19 DaemonFC; So dogs can be a much greater risk to landlords. Some allow it if you get renter's insurance, but most don't because renters know that they can buy a policy that says it covers liability for dog attacks, and then cancel it right after they move in, and the landlord is back in trouble if anything happens.
02:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
02:21 DaemonFC; MinceR, When I had a dog, I made sure that it would be of good temperament. She wasn't of a "vicious breed" of any sort. She was fairly smart for a dog.
02:21 DaemonFC; Worst thing she ever did was bring in a frozen turd and drop it on the floor.
02:21 DaemonFC; That was in 16 years.
02:22 DaemonFC; My dad laughed so hard he about fell over. I walked up to the dog and asked her what was in her mouth, and she dropped it on the floor. And dad asked what it was and I turned around and said, "A turdcicle.".
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02:27 MinceR; lol
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02:45 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-09-22.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-09-22.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
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03:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Apparently, there is no Rust anywhere in Webkit.
03:04 DaemonFC; So that's a "modern" Web engine that is still free of the disease.
03:07 DaemonFC; I thought that Python was a disease because major versions broke compatibility and required major code rewrites/refactoring, but Rust does that within a "stable" series, all the time.
03:07 DaemonFC; Rust seems to be Cascade of Attention Deficit Teenagers the Programming Language.
03:08 DaemonFC; Here I was giving all the credit to Python for making people do this once every decade or so and forcing users to suffer through version breakages and deprecation and removal even though not everything is ever going to be ported. I'm actually impressed. Rust is so much worse and there's a cult forming around it.
03:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
03:22 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], "The CADT people have gone off to develop a buggy browser for Google, Chrome, and its clone, Firefox.
03:22 DaemonFC; Their position is that if youre using a piece of software with a rendering engine that was state-of-the-art in 2020 or 2021 and its supposed to render Web sites, that 40% of them should break now if you dont update. In fact, rarely can you even get through the lifetime of a Firefox ESR before the ShitHubs and the Fakebooks start breaking down and your bank starts screaming and you cant pay your electric bill.
03:22 DaemonFC; Modern!"
03:22 DaemonFC; From a post that's coming.
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03:37 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/will-jpeg-xl-be-the-jpeg-replacement-weve-been-waiting-30-years-for/
03:37 TR Bot; Will JPEG-XL be the JPEG replacement weve been waiting 30 years for? | BaronHK's Rants
03:38 DaemonFC; "The entire point of HEIC/HEVC is to be a huge licensing trap with like 2,752,524,525 patents that you have to go to ~4,732 places to license, so theres fat chance that Walmart will ever accept prints.
03:38 DaemonFC; How are iPhone customers handling this mess?
03:38 DaemonFC; If I did switch to an iPhone, Id just have two annoying manipulative pieces of shit in this house outputting files that literally nobody uses or can even open. Oy vey!"
03:47 starstreak; you can change it in settings DaemonFC
03:49 starstreak; the iphone can use jpg but the files are going to be double the size
03:49 starstreak; I use HEIC and convert from that to jpg when I need to
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04:05 DaemonFC; Did they implement JPEG wrong just to spite the user, like they did for MP3?
04:05 DaemonFC; :)
04:06 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
04:11 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/web-engines-that-are-still-free-of-rust-as-of-september-2022-bonus-cascade-of-attention-deficit-web-developers/
04:11 TR Bot; Web engines that are still free of Rust as of September 2022. Bonus: Cascade of Attention Deficit Web Developers | BaronHK's Rants
04:12 starstreak; all you need is libheif to open it on linucks
04:13 starstreak; i can't say whether or not alac is better than flac, but they're both lossless and alac has hardware decoding support on iphones
04:13 starstreak; do any android phones have hardware flac decoding?
04:13 DaemonFC; ALAC is not good.
04:14 starstreak; i got 51GB of music, mostly in ALAC
04:14 DaemonFC; It's inefficient (bigger files), it is in the MP4 container (so supports DRM), the MP4 container doesn't support checksumming so the file can't report if it's corrupt or not internally, and it uses more CPU time for encoding and decoding than FLAC or WavPack.
04:15 starstreak; where did you copy pasta that from
04:15 DaemonFC; If you repacked it all into WavPack Extra High x6, you'd probably get it down to about 45 GB and you'd at least know if the files became corrupt *after* they were transcoded, due to a storage error or something.
04:16 starstreak; fair enough
04:16 DaemonFC; Foobar2000 finally deleted refalac as a decoder.
04:16 starstreak; good for foobar2000, a windows program
04:16 DaemonFC; ffmpeg has their own, it works, and it's a lot faster than Apple's.
04:17 starstreak; im sure it is, ffmpeg is awesome
04:17 starstreak; i use audacious and it works fine with alac
04:17 DaemonFC; Basically the only thing refalac was doing was adding several hundred KB to the package so the program could use more CPU cycles playing ALAC files. Meh.
04:18 DaemonFC; It's a small improvement given the state of computing now.
04:18 starstreak; iphones do have hardware decoding support for alac, not sure but i think it does flac as software rendering
04:18 DaemonFC; Doesn't really matter.
04:19 DaemonFC; FLAC and WavPack both take so little decode time that the thread will run on the slowest core in the phone just fine.
04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
04:21 starstreak; hmmm
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04:32 DaemonFC; Hardware decode helpers only really help if it's a portable media player with a very slow processor core and that's literally the only thing it will be doing. These devices tend to have a hardware codec just for MP3 and AAC and a main processor that runs everything else.
04:32 DaemonFC; So on some, especially earlier ones, if you added codecs with Rockbox, it made a difference to battery life.
04:33 DaemonFC; But even on a Sansa Clip+ it doesn't.
04:33 DaemonFC; They got rid of the dedicated codec, and it's all software.
04:34 DaemonFC; Software is cheaper. I think it uses a cheap MIPS CPU or something.
04:35 scientes; Mips has some cool pseudo-simd instructions.
04:35 scientes; But you realize mmx was for mp3 right?
04:37 scientes; The software for helium/armv8 MVE isn't really public
04:38 scientes; But it is way more capable than anything riscv
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05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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05:54 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, September 22, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
05:54 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
05:54 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
05:54 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
05:58 TR News; This silly, worthless, impractical gadget only impresses the superficial https://www.maketecheasier.com/make-custom-watch-faces-apple-watch/
05:58 TR Bot; How to Make Custom Watch Faces for Apple Watch - Make Tech Easier
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; strange dream overnight
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05:59 schestowitz[TR]; queen liz ii promoting tracking devices
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; and giving them a name
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; location tracking
06:01 TR News; Don't use Android? https://www.maketecheasier.com/stop-android-apps-running-background/
06:01 TR Bot; How to Stop Android Apps Running in the Background - Make Tech Easier
06:02 TR News; VPN spam disguised as 'article' for ... "LINUX" https://linuxtechlab.com/free-vpns-for-linux-everything-you-need-to-know/
06:02 TR Bot; VPNs for Linux: Everything You Need to Know - LinuxTechLab
06:05 AdmFubar; what were you drinking roy???!
06:05 AdmFubar; :))
06:05 TR News; 3 free Linux security training courses you can take right now https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/21/3-free-linux-security-training-courses/
06:05 TR Bot; 3 free Linux security training courses you can take right now - Help Net Security
06:07 TR News; Open AI Whisper - Open Source Translation and Transcription - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Ph6K_0ttsSc | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/Ph6K_0ttsSc
06:07 TR Bot; Open AI Whisper - Open Source Translation and Transcription - Invidious
06:07 schestowitz[TR]; AdmFubar: that dream was actually quite sane
06:07 schestowitz[TR]; we know who likes mass surveillance
06:10 AdmFubar; if that is sane... what are your crazy ones like?? (makes face of horror)
06:12 TR News; CSS is doing too much already; no wonder nobody can make a rendering engine anymore... https://linuxhint.com/simulate-onclick-event-css/
06:12 TR Bot; How to Simulate the Onclick Event in CSS
06:12 schestowitz[TR]; AdmFubar: the ones I keep to myself
06:12 AdmFubar; probably a good idea
06:13 starstreak; AdmFubar, Roy is drinking whiskey and pcp
06:15 AdmFubar; not whiskey and coke?
06:16 TR News; Pubs in town already accepting xmas bookings. And advertise this. It's only SEPTEMBER. I think they're desperate for income. It's tough.
06:17 starstreak; AdmFubar, im not sure if Roy is into coke but who knows
06:17 starstreak; pcp helps him lift weights without getting sore
06:20 AdmFubar; he'll get sore... just won't feel it..... whiskey helps too
06:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:21 TR News; Enterprise Encryption for Linux https://linuxsecurity.com/news/organizations-events/enterprise-encryption-for-linux
06:21 TR Bot; Encryption for Linux | LinuxSecurity.com
06:22 TR News; Will JPEG-XL be the JPEG replacement we've been waiting 30 years for? | BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/will-jpeg-xl-be-the-jpeg-replacement-weve-been-waiting-30-years-for/ Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
06:22 TR Bot; Will JPEG-XL be the JPEG replacement weve been waiting 30 years for? | BaronHK's Rants
06:23 TR News; "Rust is so much worse and theres a cult forming around it." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/web-engines-that-are-still-free-of-rust-as-of-september-2022-bonus-cascade-of-attention-deficit-web-developers/
06:23 TR Bot; Web engines that are still free of Rust as of September 2022. Bonus: Cascade of Attention Deficit Web Developers | BaronHK's Rants
06:24 starstreak; lol daemonfc can't even code but hes writing articles about how bad rust is
06:24 TR News; "In Kubernetes 1.25, Validation rules for CustomResourceDefinitions (CRDs) have graduated to Beta!" https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/09/23/crd-validation-rules-beta/
06:24 TR Bot; Kubernetes 1.25: CustomResourceDefinition Validation Rules Graduate to Beta | Kubernetes
06:26 TR News; "If Trump had appointed an Inspector General to oversee the program as the law required, perhaps this (and other similar incidents?) may not have happened." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/more-than-two-dozen-criminals-in-illinois-got-fake-paycheck-protection-program-loans-from-the-trump-administration-and-used-them-to-post-bail-and-flee/
06:26 TR Bot; More than two dozen criminals in Illinois got fake Paycheck Protection Program loans from the Trump administration and used them to post bail and flee. | BaronHK's Rants
06:26 TR News; "GNOME 43 highlights, Canonical's new hardware partner, and why we're disappointed in the Framework Chromebook." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linux-action-news/259/
06:26 TR Bot; Linux Action News 259 | Jupiter Broadcasting
06:27 TR News; Entertaining webcranks https://linuxhint.com/web-3/ see http://techrights.org/2022/01/29/web3-is-bullshit/
06:27 TR Bot; What is Web 3.0?
06:27 TR Bot; Aral Balkan: Web3 is Bullshit | Techrights
06:28 schestowitz[TR]; <starstreak> lol daemonfc can't even code but hes writing articles about how bad rust is
06:28 schestowitz[TR]; yes, a bit ironic
06:28 schestowitz[TR]; but he compensates for it in other ways
06:28 schestowitz[TR]; like studying how systems are put together
06:28 schestowitz[TR]; component-wise
06:29 starstreak; while also spewing racism and transphobia
06:29 TR News; Maria Naz at linuxhint did a 4-part article on using Git.. BUT ASSUMES YOU USE WINDOWS... in a site called LINUX HINT. Facepalm.
06:29 starstreak; im not defending rust tho, i like golang and C
06:30 schestowitz[TR]; what programs did you write?
06:30 starstreak; none lol
06:30 starstreak; im still learning
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06:31 schestowitz[TR]; so same as DaemonFC
06:31 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D708.jpg
06:31 starstreak; im not about to write an article on why a programming language is good or bad
06:32 TR News; "I previously wondered how much Forth was like Whitespace assembler....so I got a Forth interpreter and had a go. I didn't get much beyond beginner level, so take all I say with a pinch of salt." gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-09-23___Having_looked_into_Forth__a_bit_.gmi
06:33 TR News; My Thoughts On The CDG, And How You Can Help Fight The Discoverability Crisis gemini://tilde.team/~smokey/logs/2022-09-22-cdg.gmi
06:34 TR News; "One problem I have always found, as have many others who try out gemini, is difficulty in finding interesting content. There are many contributing factors to why, but lets just say the problem is an ongoing issue that has no real easy solutions." gemini://tilde.team/~smokey/logs/2022-09-22-cdg.gmi
06:34 TR News; "There's an idea being floated about building a decentralized, personalized feed aggregator as opposed to something like Antenna which is open for all to submit to." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-09-22-feed-aggregators-and-idea-silos.gmi
06:35 TR News; "Additionally, I would caution against building any community where a core goal is to only gather with people who share identical political ideologies. I'm not saying it can't or shouldn't ever be done, but I generally see such communities as unproductive at best and a breeding ground for extremism at worst." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-09-22-feed-aggregators-and-idea-silos.gmi
06:35 TR News; "I find it utterly bemusing the lack of self-awareness in lefties. I read an article a couple times, on right wing politics on Gemini, and the second time I mentally flipped a few words within to point in the other direction, and it fit perfectly." gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-09-22-re-right-wing-politics-on-gemini.gmi
06:36 TR News; "Spare time flows through me, right now. Im letting myself enjoy doing /less/ but not /nothing/. I live in hope that these quiet times will restore my soul, such that I can re-enter the World of Work in a manner that suits me - I still have something to give." gemini://apintandaparma.club/~ajc/log/2022-09-23.gmi
06:38 TR News; A few hours ago this was released by Netcraft; it seems clear that Netcrafts tables already omit Microsoft in all except 2, where Microsoft is placed last and rapidly loses share (it'll fall out of sight soon) http://techrights.org/2022/09/22/netcraft-microsoft/
06:38 TR Bot; Microsoft Will Soon be Unlisted in Netcrafts Web Survey (Due to Minuscule, Negligible Market Share) | Techrights
06:41 TR News; Firefox 105 on POWER https://www.talospace.com/2022/09/firefox-105-on-power.html Source: Talospace | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.talospace.com/2022/09/firefox-105-on-power.html
06:41 TR Bot; Firefox 105 on POWER
06:49 TR News; Miniature dual camera Full HD or 4K encoder boards support RGB and thermal cameras - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/23/miniature-dual-camera-full-hd-or-4k-encoder-boards-support-rgb-and-thermal-cameras/ Source: CNX Software
06:49 TR Bot; Miniature dual camera Full HD or 4K encoder boards support RGB and thermal cameras - CNX Software
06:49 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.gmi
06:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
06:49 TR News; (NEW): 11 Gorgeous KDE Plasma Themes to Make Your Linux Desktop Even More Beautiful http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/11_Gorgeous_KDE_Plasma_Themes_to_Make_Your_Linux_Desktop_Even_M.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/11_Gorgeous_KDE_Plasma_Themes_to_Make_Your_Linux_Desktop_Even_M.gmi
06:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines 11 Gorgeous KDE Plasma Themes to Make Your Linux Desktop Even More Beautiful
06:49 TR News; (NEW): 5 Free and Open-Source Figma Alternatives http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/5_Free_and_Open_Source_Figma_Alternatives.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/5_Free_and_Open_Source_Figma_Alternatives.gmi
06:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines 5 Free and Open-Source Figma Alternatives
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06:51 TR News; [Old] "Does this mean installing Linux on an NVIDIA-powered machine will be less of a pain? Well, not yet. But eventually, hopefully, that answer will become yes." https://www.makeuseof.com/nvidia-open-sources-gpu-driver-for-linux/ | Source: Make Use Of
06:51 TR Bot; What NVIDIAs Open-Source Driver Means for Linux
06:52 TR News; "Since this is long and observational, I'll put the summary up front." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/USBTemper2ReadingsNotes | Source: uni Toronto
06:52 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/USBTemper2ReadingsNotes
06:52 TR News; "Over the years Ive had a number of people reach out asking how I created the notice boxes on this website." https://kevquirk.com/how-to-create-a-simple-html-css-notice-box/ | Source: Kev Quirk
06:52 TR Bot; How to Create a Simple HTML/CSS Notice Box - Kev Quirk
06:52 TR News; "Jaromir Talir held a presentation about offline KSK with Knot DNS, and from the terminology he used in 2019 I made this diagram a few years ago to help me better understand the flow of keys." https://jpmens.net/2022/09/22/dnssec-signing-with-an-offline-ksk/ | Source: Jan Piet Mens
06:52 TR Bot; Jan-Piet Mens :: DNSSEC signing with an offline KSK
06:52 TR News; "As I'm moving to Linux more and more, I took the opportunity to explore the BTRFS file system which was mostly unknown to me" https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-09-21-btrfs-compression.html | Source: Data Swamp
06:52 TR Bot; Solene'% : Sharing some statistics about BTRFS compression
06:53 TR News; [Old] "Guix is pure. It's refreshing to know that I can take any package and reuse its source code for my own purposes without having to worry about commercial restrictions or redistribution." https://gexp.no/blog/it-wasnt-for-nothing.html | Source: Marius Bakke
06:53 TR Bot; It wasn't for nothing - Grasping gexps
06:54 TR News; "DOSBox Staging is a fork of the original DOSBox aimed at getting new features in faster, along with a better overall experience for users." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/dosbox-staging-0790-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
06:54 TR Bot; Staging 0.79.0 is out now | GamingOnLinux
06:54 TR News; "Two rather great sandbox mining games are set for an official cross-over. Terraria and the new kid on the block Core Keeper will both be getting free updates for it." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/core-keeper-and-terraria-are-getting-cross-over-updates/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
06:54 TR Bot; Keeper and Terraria are getting cross-over updates | GamingOnLinux
06:54 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]> <starstreak> lol daemonfc can't even code but hes writing articles about how bad rust is
06:54 DaemonFC; With being a user, I can tell you that Python's version deprecation was painful enough.
06:54 schestowitz[TR]; there is ccorrect abservation aboutr cult-like tactics
06:55 schestowitz[TR]; which goies byond having a coc
06:55 schestowitz[TR]; hypersensitive crowd
06:55 schestowitz[TR]; that suppresses critics
06:55 DaemonFC; There really was never going to be any "everything is ported so we don't need Python 2.7 anymore" day.
06:55 mjg59_; (cough)
06:55 schestowitz[TR]; and pushes/foists it swares on people
06:55 schestowitz[TR]; it's bloated
06:55 schestowitz[TR]; c is small
06:55 schestowitz[TR]; rust is just some pile of ***
06:55 DaemonFC; Many authors are literally dead and the only reason their program worked was because it had a runtime.
06:55 DaemonFC; Or are uninterested in porting the program.
06:56 DaemonFC; The only language I ever had more trouble with was Perl because of the whole "Some of this is packaged and some of this is CPAN" crap.
06:56 schestowitz[TR]; with python you have other runtimes
06:56 schestowitz[TR]; but anyway, php does the same
06:56 schestowitz[TR]; with new versions
06:56 schestowitz[TR]; so you need to spend time "fixinng" broken things when version upgrades come
06:56 schestowitz[TR]; massive overhead
06:56 schestowitz[TR]; expect the same from rust
06:57 DaemonFC; Perl is different in that the modules are all readable, but you still need to be sure you understand what they do.
06:57 DaemonFC; Cobbling things together is just bad form, and this is apparently how "cargo" works.
06:57 TR News; "Devil Daggers was a great time-survival FPS and now the creator is back with HYPER DEMON, which will blow your tiny little mind." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/hyper-demon-is-a-vision-bending-fps-from-the-creator-of-devil-daggers/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
06:57 TR Bot; DEMON is a vision-bending FPS from the creator of Devil Daggers | GamingOnLinux
06:57 DaemonFC; Cargo, cult. Cargo cult.
06:57 TR News; "Humble Bundle are making sure you can get serious this week with The Serious Sam Bundle containing plenty of action ready for you to dive in." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/get-a-whole-lot-of-serious-sam-in-this-game-bundle/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
06:57 TR Bot; a whole lot of Serious Sam in this game bundle | GamingOnLinux
06:57 DaemonFC; There isn't an OS that doesn't have a C runtime available.
06:58 DaemonFC; Hell, Windows even has approximately 500 of them.
06:58 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, they're all some tweaked version of MSVCR.
06:58 DaemonFC; Each one unique, stuffed in the assemblies folder for all time.
06:59 DaemonFC; mjg59_, "Everyone who is interesting uses Windows." Windows is a bigger and bigger mess the longer you use it until it finally fucks itself so bad you need to reinstall it.
06:59 *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights
06:59 DaemonFC; Sometimes that's a few years. Sometimes, it blows up right after you just installed it.
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.95 k/sec., IPFS upstream 92.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 136.70
07:01 DaemonFC; Most of Torvalds's "Why we don't use C++" applies to Rust, including the part about Boost.
07:01 TR News; "The Plague Doctor of Wippra will see you attempt to help people but ignorance, superstition, and religious zeal will firmly get in your way." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/short-point-and-click-adventure-the-plague-doctor-of-wippra-is-out-on-october-5th/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:01 TR Bot; point and click adventure The Plague Doctor of Wippra is out on October 5th | GamingOnLinux
07:01 TR News; "Stardeus from developer Kodo Linija (Bloody Rally Show) has found a publisher with Paradox Arc (Paradox Interactive's new publishing arm)." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/paradox-arc-to-publish-sci-fi-base-builder-stardeus-entering-early-access-in-october/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:01 TR Bot; Arc to publish sci-fi base builder Stardeus, entering Early Access in October | GamingOnLinux
07:02 DaemonFC; You can tell a lot about a language by the kind of people it attracts to it.
07:02 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: yes, torvalkds was bullied into it
07:02 schestowitz[TR]; it took years of "lobbyisng'
07:02 DaemonFC; Programs that have a lot of bugs and memory leaks were written in Python, historically, for me.
07:02 schestowitz[TR]; and he got tired od being "racist" towards rust
07:03 TR News; "GNOME 43 is officially out now, bringing with it some pretty wonderful sounding changes to one of the most popular Linux desktop environments." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/gnome-43-is-out-now-with-quick-settings-refreshed-files-app-and-lots-more/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:03 TR Bot; 43 is out now with Quick Settings, refreshed Files app and lots more | GamingOnLinux
07:03 starstreak; ooooo Gnome 43
07:04 DaemonFC; Rust is also turning into a major problem for SeaMonkey.
07:04 DaemonFC; It's one of the biggest problems to backporting Gecko features.
07:04 mjg59_; It's undeniable that the majority of vulnerabilities in the Linux kernel are memory safety issues that would be extremely unlikely to exist if Linux were in Rust
07:04 TR News; "When coreboot makes a new release, I rebase our Librem-specific patches onto it, then run a set of tests on each device" https://puri.sm/posts/how-we-fixed-reboot-loops-on-the-librem-mini/ | Source: Purism
07:04 TR Bot; How We Fixed Reboot Loops on the Librem Mini Purism
07:04 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: you don't care about kernel security
07:05 schestowitz[TR]; your employer put NSA back doors in linux kenrel
07:05 DaemonFC; Firefox has that damned "Quantum" shit in it that just makes it an even bigger resource suck than ever.
07:05 schestowitz[TR]; until people shouted
07:05 schestowitz[TR]; then it was removed
07:05 schestowitz[TR]; months later
07:05 DaemonFC; AND SeaMonkey can't grab new CSS, DOM, or Compositor code and a lot of other things and backport them anymore because of this.
07:05 DaemonFC; SeaMonkey now has more in common with Goanna than it does with Gecko.
07:05 schestowitz[TR]; rust has zero-days all the time
07:05 schestowitz[TR]; it was sold based on a false promise
07:06 schestowitz[TR]; same for systemd
07:06 schestowitz[TR]; NSA observes systemd
07:06 schestowitz[TR]; lots of holes in it
07:06 schestowitz[TR]; new shitty code
07:06 schestowitz[TR]; and controlled by Microsoft, ICBM
07:06 DaemonFC; Firefox's "Quantum" project is basically take MOAAAAAAR CPU and MOAAAAAAR RAM than ever and maybe all the bloated frameworks and shit from GULAG will run faster.
07:06 schestowitz[TR]; pentagon assets
07:06 DaemonFC; It's not good!
07:06 TR News; ">When you start a Linux system, it starts with only one process, a program called init." https://linuxhandbook.com/check-if-systemd/ | Source: Linux Handbook
07:06 TR Bot; Check if You Are Using Systemd or Not in Linux
07:07 starstreak; SeaMonkey is trash
07:07 DaemonFC; It splits the Web browser up and has the entire computer's resources devoted to running cryptojackers and session replay scripts and advertising code.
07:07 DaemonFC; Which is what mjg59_ calls "security".
07:07 DaemonFC; (JavaScript)
07:08 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: There's literally zero demonstrated weaknesses in Speck. It's legitimate to be concerned about NSA-designed algorithms, but there's no evidence whatsoever of it actually being backdoored
07:08 DaemonFC; Nobody has come up with a better way to handle my mail.
07:08 schestowitz[TR]; you are mocking facts
07:08 schestowitz[TR]; you also libel asssange
07:08 schestowitz[TR]; because he exposed vault7 stuff
07:08 schestowitz[TR]; showingf how nsa targets linuxxx
07:08 schestowitz[TR]; so ad hominem is what you fall back on
07:08 schestowitz[TR]; and libel
07:09 mjg59_; Vault7 was the CIA
07:09 DaemonFC; The NSA from what I've seen targets mainly RHEL.
07:09 schestowitz[TR]; https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
07:09 TR Bot; Vault7 - Home
07:09 schestowitz[TR]; https://wikileaks.org/vault8/
07:09 mjg59_; Who are, notably, not the NSA
07:09 TR Bot; WikiLeaks - Vault 8
07:09 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: not only that
07:09 DaemonFC; It's easier to attack a target that isn't moving and plant a kernel module into it that stays working.
07:09 DaemonFC; And Microsoft will sign it for them.
07:10 DaemonFC; So "Secure Boot" won't even complain about it.
07:10 schestowitz[TR]; "signed"... malware
07:10 schestowitz[TR]; windows... "Secure"
07:10 schestowitz[TR]; approved by NSA
07:10 schestowitz[TR]; for remote access :-)
07:10 schestowitz[TR]; "SECURITY!!" "ALIANS!!!"
07:10 mjg59_; Unclear how Microsoft could sign an ELF object in a way the kernel would accept
07:10 DaemonFC; I turned of LVFS the other day.
07:11 DaemonFC; Apparently it does nothing at all on my computer except install Microsoft-provided blacklists for versions of GRUB they don't want to work.
07:11 DaemonFC; Thankfully, I read the update release noted before I did anything.
07:12 schestowitz[TR]; the flamboyant fake 'security crowd begets disasters like shadow brokeers
07:12 schestowitz[TR]; hospitals shut down
07:12 schestowitz[TR]; thousands die
07:12 schestowitz[TR]; so that they can have their back doors in place
07:12 schestowitz[TR]; and we're mant not to blame them and microsoft
07:12 schestowitz[TR]; microsogt even CLAIMS to be tackling the isue
07:12 schestowitz[TR]; that it itself created
07:13 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/richard-hughes-secure-boot-sham/
07:13 mjg59_; It's Microsoft's fault that when code is executed as an admin, it can modify the entire filesystem?
07:13 TR Bot; GNOME (IBM/Red Hat Staff) Promoting Microsofts Security Scam With the Secure Boot Sham | Techrights
07:13 schestowitz[TR]; and it uuuses github
07:13 schestowitz[TR]; richard told me that also use gitlab now
07:13 schestowitz[TR]; a step in the rfight directioon, but they still advertise microsoft github
07:13 schestowitz[TR]; proproietary
07:13 DaemonFC; I had to deploy a shim to make Github work without Webcomponents the other day.
07:13 DaemonFC; Gitlab too though.
07:14 schestowitz[TR]; gitlab is even less accessible
07:14 schestowitz[TR]; too much js
07:14 schestowitz[TR]; and no flalbacks at all
07:15 TR News; "Validation rules support a wide range of use cases." https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/09/23/crd-validation-rules-beta/
07:15 TR Bot; Kubernetes 1.25: CustomResourceDefinition Validation Rules Graduate to Beta | Kubernetes
07:15 schestowitz[TR]; shim = a drpizza-approved security
07:15 schestowitz[TR]; btw,
07:15 schestowitz[TR]; npoticed how few of tech journalists are techs?
07:15 schestowitz[TR]; they never wrote code
07:15 schestowitz[TR]; they just pass on what Microsoft tells them to write
07:16 schestowitz[TR]; their speciality is kids... and stuff
07:16 schestowitz[TR]; and copy-paste
07:16 mjg59_; Noticed how few political journalists are politicians?
07:16 mjg59_; Almost like they're different skills
07:16 schestowitz[TR]; whatabboutism
07:16 schestowitz[TR]; the media is defunct
07:16 mjg59_; I mean
07:16 mjg59_; Roy
07:16 mjg59_; Your writing is *terrible*
07:17 mjg59_; You'd make an awful journalist
07:17 mjg59_; (As would I!)
07:17 mjg59_; Journalism is about writing for people who don't have expertise in a field, but are interested in what's happening there
07:17 TR News; "While 76% of the overall users operate Windows"... no, even less that that ONLY IF YOU COUNT DESKTOP ALONE. https://www.unixmen.com/linux-vs-windows-10-key-differences-that-one-should-know/ | Source: Unix Men
07:17 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/linux-vs-windows-10-key-differences-that-one-should-know/ )
07:18 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Windows isn't even 70% on the desktop-only anymore.
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; I know
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; that was my point
07:19 DaemonFC; Pornhub is in a good position to monitor this and they say like 64-ish percent as of last year and falling.
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; Pornhub barely counts africa
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; where WIndows is barely used
07:19 DaemonFC; If we're classifying everything desktop vs. mobile, Chrome OS should be in the desktop category.
07:20 DaemonFC; But many stat counters omit it entirely to make Windows look bigger than it is.
07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
07:20 DaemonFC; A strengthening Dollar Index is not what Microsoft needs.
07:20 DaemonFC; Who will be able to afford it?
07:21 DaemonFC; If all of a sudden it takes 30-40% more of your local currency to do business with Microsoft, what do you do?
07:21 DaemonFC; And who will buy it in the US? People are broke due to Bidenflation.
07:21 DaemonFC; They're not replacing $1,000+ laptops that work every 2 years in the middle of THIS.
07:22 DaemonFC; And if it konks out, they're going to look at budget options, which is a Chromebook, or you buy some $250 Walmart special and format Windows off of it so the thing works at all.
07:22 DaemonFC; Provided that you can.
07:22 DaemonFC; mjg59_'s services to Microsoft were meant so you can't do that.
07:23 starstreak; Bidenflation is so bad its effecting every country in the world!
07:23 TR News; "The e-RouteCAM_CU20 is a 2MP PoE (Power-over-Ethernet) GigE camera developed by e-con Systems." https://linuxgizmos.com/sony-starvis-based-gige-camera-supports-poe/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
07:23 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/sony-starvis-based-gige-camera-supports-poe/ )
07:23 TR News; (NEW): Games: DOSBox, Terraria, Serious Sam, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Games_DOSBox_Terraria_Serious_Sam_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Games_DOSBox_Terraria_Serious_Sam_and_More.gmi
07:23 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: DOSBox, Terraria, Serious Sam, and More
07:23 DaemonFC; Spending a trillion dollars a week we don't have in order to control the weather with battery cars.
07:23 DaemonFC; How does that work anyway?
07:23 DaemonFC; You have to buy a new battery car every 5 years unless you luck out like Eric Sandeen and have the battery fail within the warranty. Then it may work a while longer.
07:23 schestowitz[TR]; yuppie fantasies
07:24 DaemonFC; But they try to trip you up with the warranty so that it doesn't apply.
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; the cars are worse
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; than the batteries
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; because they won't last long
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; then you need to buy a new one
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; and that means lots of mining
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; mining takes a lot of energy
07:24 starstreak; Bidenflation = rich people raising prices to get richer
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; not even counting processing ans transport
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; disposal
07:24 DaemonFC; Like, you have to come to the dealer and let them program the battery so it lies to you about how healthy it is and the car doesn't run it as hard as it did before, when you were looking to buy it.
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; even manufacturing of one new PC takes a ton fo energy
07:25 DaemonFC; It's not important what happens to it after they trick you.
07:25 DaemonFC; :)
07:25 DaemonFC; As long as they don't have to warranty it.
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; <starstreak> Bidenflation = rich people raising prices to get richer
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; there are still some workarounds
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; but harder with energy
07:26 DaemonFC; Sandeen attacked me for doing that EV article and citing what happened to him, and that another commenter on his blog said they too had a Leaf and the warranty was not honored.
07:26 schestowitz[TR]; bcause it is a de facto monopoly
07:26 schestowitz[TR]; and you cannot compltely boycott electricity
07:26 DaemonFC; And so they got to keep a car that didn't go anywhere because a battery cost 3/4ths of what a new car did.
07:27 TR News; Will FSF give an award NOT to people who attack it? Let's see... https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/free-software-awards-nominate-those-who-have-charted-a-course-to-freedom-by-november-30
07:27 TR Bot; Free Software Awards: Nominate those who have charted a course to freedom by November 30 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
07:28 DaemonFC; mjg59_ probably blew the wad too soon.
07:28 DaemonFC; No, I'm not calling him a two pump chump....even though he probably is one.
07:28 TR News; Old: award to the person whom Microsoft is besieging (and he cannot speak about it) http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linus-Torvalds-now-a-Millenium-Technology-Prize-laureate-1543357.html
07:28 TR Bot; Linus Torvalds now a Millenium Technology Prize laureate - The H Open: News and Features
07:29 DaemonFC; He was micro-shittering about getting his COVID shot weeks ago, I'm assuming the bivalent one.
07:29 DaemonFC; I'm doing a wait and see.
07:29 TR News; "This guide explains what is Ansible register and how to capture a task output in Ansible using the register variables in Linux" https://ostechnix.com/ansible-register/ | Source: OSTechNix
07:29 TR Bot; Register Variable - OSTechNix
07:29 DaemonFC; If it starts picking up again in my state I might consider it.
07:29 DaemonFC; Right now, it's down to 10-12 people in the entire state dying with COVID each day.
07:30 DaemonFC; Which is less than the number of daily murders in Chicago alone.
07:31 DaemonFC; There's probably even more flu deaths at this point.
07:31 DaemonFC; The vaccine companies are spending billions on an all out advertising campaign.
07:31 DaemonFC; They want more money. That's pretty much what's happening here.
07:31 DaemonFC; COVID has been beaten down as low as it will ever be again.
07:31 TR News; How to tarnish the "Linux" brand https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-talks-rust-on-linux-his-work-schedule-and-life-with-his-m2-macbook-air/
07:32 TR Bot; Torvalds talks Rust on Linux, his work schedule and life with his M2 MacBook Air | ZDNET
07:32 DaemonFC; Some people prefer to spend the rest of their lives cowering under the bed, I guess.
07:32 TR News; COVID-19: better never to get infected at all https://adf-magazine.com/2022/09/mental-health-issues-may-linger-for-years-after-covid-19-infection/
07:32 TR Bot; Mental Health Issues May Linger For Years After COVID-19 Infection - Africa Defense Forum
07:33 DaemonFC; Well, then with mjg59_ we'd never be able to tell, schestowitz[TR]
07:33 TR News; old: People - Michigan Terminal System Archive http://archive.michigan-terminal-system.org/people Source: The Somnolescent Archives | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//archive.michigan-terminal-system.org/people
07:33 TR Bot; People - Michigan Terminal System Archive
07:33 DaemonFC; What's he going to do? Jack up his transphobia allegations against EVERYBODY?
07:33 schestowitz[TR]; here is the trhign
07:33 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ harms trans people
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; I have teans friends
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; many here are trans
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; always
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; since like 2008
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; maybe 5-10%
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; but he overuses the slur
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; and went after rms
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; rms is very tolerant ofm trans peopl
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; eby going after the wrong people he creates a stigma
07:34 DaemonFC; He's trying to spend Disney Bucks at Caesar's Palace with me.
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; this stigma makes straw men
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; and then harms trans people
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; and he knowss this
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; he's not dump
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; *sumb
07:34 schestowitz[TR]; he knows is, but does not care
07:35 schestowitz[TR]; hen ignores the most gay-hostile people
07:35 schestowitz[TR]; and focuses on perople who don't even give a damn abou such thiungsa
07:35 schestowitz[TR]; it's exploitation
07:35 schestowitz[TR]; he uses it for grudge
07:35 schestowitz[TR]; as a wedge
07:35 schestowitz[TR]; gto to irc
07:35 schestowitz[TR]; say something something trans
07:35 DaemonFC; Most people don't care if trans people grow a second head, to be honest.
07:35 schestowitz[TR]; wait for SOMEONE to say something noty P-C
07:35 DaemonFC; I don't.
07:35 schestowitz[TR]; then accuse ERVERYONE of it
07:35 schestowitz[TR]; and at the end the right goes after trans
07:35 schestowitz[TR]; who are fed up with that tactic
07:36 schestowitz[TR]; and then they get all worried about suiicides
07:36 schestowitz[TR]; trans people go back like 100 years
07:36 schestowitz[TR]; maybe more
07:36 DaemonFC; I didn't force any of them to commit suicide.
07:36 schestowitz[TR]; but they never attacked people like this
07:36 DaemonFC; I didn't tell them they should do it.
07:36 schestowitz[TR]; and now there's a reputation thay cannot shake off
07:36 schestowitz[TR]; bullyign ther wrong people won't help
07:36 schestowitz[TR]; leah said it right
07:36 schestowitz[TR]; they need to think diplomatically
07:36 schestowitz[TR]; and some don't
07:37 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ IS NOT TRANS
07:37 DaemonFC; I don't tell people whether they should kill themselves or not. Some people have good reasons to. Very sick people who don't want to hurt.
07:37 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ IS AS TRANS AS I AM!!
07:37 schestowitz[TR]; and he's using them!!
07:37 DaemonFC; You can't blame Robin Williams for it or say he was selfish because he knew he'd be a gibbering vegetable in a few years and those were years he didn't want to spend slipping away.
07:38 DaemonFC; Some people would rather die than live like that.
07:38 TR News; old: Torvalds uses free speech... to condemn truly evil company ... when he was still ALLOWED http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/NVIDIA-responds-to-criticism-by-Torvalds-1621598.html
07:38 TR Bot; NVIDIA responds to criticism by Torvalds - The H Open: News and Features
07:38 DaemonFC; Had he been given resources to help him die he could have done it in a more dignified manner than with an electrical cord in a closet.
07:39 DaemonFC; We live in a society that is squeamish about death and act as if you can just stave it off forever.
07:39 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: You're also not a piece of software, but you object to abusive software patents
07:39 DaemonFC; And if you fight like hell to overcome end of life stuff, you'll live another 1,000 years.
07:39 DaemonFC; It's because grown ass adults want to live in a fairy story.
07:40 DaemonFC; I'm also not the popular opinion on suicide in this country.
07:40 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: I develop
07:40 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: ^
07:41 DaemonFC; Lots of people hear opinions like mine and they try to get you fired and stuff.
07:41 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Transphobia has a direct effect on people in my life, and their happiness has a direct effect on me. Why is it odd that I'd want to stand up for those people?
07:41 schestowitz[TR]; later today I will do a video about sexiiism at epo
07:41 schestowitz[TR]; I got internal documents
07:41 DaemonFC; I mean, they want you to say all the right shit that people want to hear....or else.
07:41 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: go after the culprits
07:41 schestowitz[TR]; clue: we are very trans-diverse irc network
07:41 schestowitz[TR]; always were
07:41 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> schestowitz[TR]: Transphobia has a direct effect on people in my life, and their happiness has a direct effect on me. Why is it odd that I'd want to stand up for those people?
07:42 schestowitz[TR]; you pick on one person
07:42 DaemonFC; Why don't you let them speak for themselves?
07:42 schestowitz[TR]; to demonise everyone... pardon the pun
07:42 DaemonFC; Are you saying they're stupid?
07:42 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Yeah uh one of the culprits is right there
07:42 schestowitz[TR]; yes
07:42 schestowitz[TR]; and he writes on many things
07:42 mjg59_; So I go after him
07:42 schestowitz[TR]; and I don't agree with many of them
07:43 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> So I go after him
07:43 DaemonFC; Just admit that you've had a grudge for 14 years and can't get over yourself.
07:43 mjg59_; Says the guy who literally can't stop talking about me
07:43 TR News; 'Masked Singer' Exit Interview: The Knight on His Murderous Costume - Billboard https://www.billboard.com/culture/tv-film/knight-eliminated-masked-singer-season-8-premiere-identity-1235142370/ Source: Penske Media Corporation | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.billboard.com/culture/tv-film/knight-eliminated-masked-singer-season-8-premiere-identity-1235142370/
07:43 TR Bot; Singer Exit Interview: The Knight on His Murderous Costume Billboard
07:44 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: If the EPO president wrote an article on a specific technical topic that you agreed with, would you republish it?
07:44 DaemonFC; Yes, living rent-free in your head. Right?
07:44 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Or would you feel that that was giving recognition to someone who held opinions that were incompatible with your goals, and refuse to do so?
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07:45 ship_roy_and_mjg; :)
07:45 mjg59_; Haha
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07:45 schestowitz[TR]; he does not write articles
07:45 schestowitz[TR]; he has a PR crony from alicante to write lies for him
07:45 schestowitz[TR]; and then "quote" him
07:45 mjg59_; Yes this is clearly a hypothetical
07:45 schestowitz[TR]; he blogged 1-2 times 4 years ago
07:46 mjg59_; If I write something you agree with, will you publish it?
07:46 mjg59_; Or would that be giving credit to someone who you believe is an enemy of the community?
07:46 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC is not "enemy of the community"
07:46 schestowitz[TR]; if this is what you are getting at
07:46 schestowitz[TR]; I don't agree with him on many political issues
07:46 mjg59_; Can you answer the question?
07:46 schestowitz[TR]; and debate him over these issues
07:46 schestowitz[TR]; there is a debate like this in geminispace atm
07:47 schestowitz[TR]; some poeple seem not to think that right-leaning technical people should be permitted in gemini://
07:47 schestowitz[TR]; and this ios not a healthy mindset
07:47 DaemonFC; I'm not in a position to do anything politically, so what does it matter? Out of like 6 million voters, I'm one person.
07:47 mjg59_; If I wrote an article you agreed with, would you publish it?
07:47 DaemonFC; So like, there's not much chance that an election hinges on what I think.
07:47 schestowitz[TR]; no
07:47 schestowitz[TR]; you are a snake
07:47 mjg59_; Ok! Cool
07:47 schestowitz[TR]; you are a mean-spirited bad person
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; and you have a track record to show this
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; that's why many people avoid youa
07:48 mjg59_; So it's not just about someone who you disagree with on some topics writing things you agree with
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; and they won't say it to your pface
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; as that can make them the next target for you ilk to defame
07:48 mjg59_; You find my opinions on certain topics more repugnant than Ryan's transphobia
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; you are binned by us
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; blacklisted... sorry, denylisted
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; you can talk
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; but ythat does not entitle you to a platform
07:48 DaemonFC; If I was in a position to do anything politically in this state, then the mafia unions and the rest of the criminals who prop up Governor Pritzker would have me assassinated.
07:49 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: You mean it's not a free speech issue?
07:49 DaemonFC; You don't get to fuck with people like that and live.
07:49 schestowitz[TR]; you can talk all you want
07:49 mjg59_; But not on your site
07:49 schestowitz[TR]; in a network you are actively trying to undermine
07:49 mjg59_; You said you gave Pocock a platform because of free speech
07:49 schestowitz[TR]; but I'm not going to waste people's time promoting your nonsense
07:49 mjg59_; Despite his writing being a set of conspiracy theory nonsense
07:49 schestowitz[TR]; he covered important issues
07:49 mjg59_; He lied about a shitload of stuff
07:49 schestowitz[TR]; in recent years some edgy posts from him were less presentable
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; its not about that
07:50 highest_cubist_thrills; its a show about nothing
07:50 schestowitz[TR]; but in his personal web site he has been spot-on, in the personal site
07:50 DaemonFC; I'm not so sure where mjg59_ thinks I have power.
07:50 DaemonFC; I have power to talk to people about things.
07:50 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: take it a compliment
07:50 schestowitz[TR]; he is afraid of things you write about TECH
07:50 schestowitz[TR]; and looks for a wedge/angle
07:51 schestowitz[TR]; to avoid refuting you on tech
07:51 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Is it true to say that you find some of my opinions more offensive than Ryan's opinions?
07:51 schestowitz[TR]; annd then demands you get de-voiced
07:51 schestowitz[TR]; in some cultures what mjg59_ does as a lifestyle merits stoning
07:51 schestowitz[TR]; but he fails to see how interjecting politics into technical debate is itself very toxic
07:52 schestowitz[TR]; until maybe he finmds himself in kabul for a week with a one-0way airline pass
07:52 schestowitz[TR]; and then he might understand t
07:52 schestowitz[TR]; that in a FOSS coinfeerrence in kabnul
07:52 schestowitz[TR]; he does not want people to bring in politics
07:52 schestowitz[TR]; as that endangers him
07:52 schestowitz[TR]; for decades were able to collaborate with people whom we disagree with... on politics
07:52 schestowitz[TR]; it just didn't come up
07:52 schestowitz[TR]; the politics interjected... seesms to be a state tacticws
07:52 schestowitz[TR]; to control the developers
07:53 schestowitz[TR]; tyo selectively remove some
07:53 schestowitz[TR]; for werongthink
07:53 schestowitz[TR]; on many political issues I;'m sure anyone I know how some objectionable views
07:53 schestowitz[TR]; that they do not publicly express
07:53 schestowitz[TR]; death penalty, abotion
07:53 DaemonFC; Yes, the Muslim countries would throw mjg59_ off a rooftop and laugh about it.
07:53 schestowitz[TR]; rianne support death penalty
07:53 schestowitz[TR]; I don't agree wqith her
07:53 schestowitz[TR]; we debate it
07:53 DaemonFC; And then nothing would happen to the people who did it.
07:53 schestowitz[TR]; and don't get into shouting matches
07:53 DaemonFC; They may get a parade, even.
07:53 DaemonFC; He should be glad they're not in charge here.
07:54 DaemonFC; I think we need electric bleachers.
07:54 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: he will quote it out of context again
07:54 schestowitz[TR]; to calrify
07:54 schestowitz[TR]; the point being
07:54 DaemonFC; At least until they clear out the child molesters and shit.
07:54 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: You feel that my technical writing is tainted by my opinions on certain matters, right?
07:54 schestowitz[TR]; there are many bad groups in the world
07:54 DaemonFC; Make some room for the less nasty felons in prison.
07:54 schestowitz[TR]; a social justice warrior (by his OWN description) would prioritise suitably
07:55 schestowitz[TR]; and stop picking on a channel full of trans people./.. because one gay man in it has the wrong ([sic] views
07:55 DaemonFC; The child molesters are a big problem in Illinois.
07:55 DaemonFC; They let them out and like, what are they going to do?
07:55 schestowitz[TR]; <mjg59_> schestowitz[TR]: You feel that my technical writing is tainted by my opinions on certain matters, right?
07:55 schestowitz[TR]; no!
07:55 schestowitz[TR]; that's not rhe issue
07:55 DaemonFC; Molest again. because they can't live anywhere, nobody will give them a job, oh yeah, and they're still a filthy pervert.
07:55 schestowitz[TR]; the issue is, you have been trying to undermine us for a decades almost
07:55 schestowitz[TR]; and not only us
07:55 schestowitz[TR]; your main "controbution" to society is libeling peoplke
07:55 mjg59_; And that taints my technical writing?
07:56 schestowitz[TR]; usually people who do sterling technical work
07:56 schestowitz[TR]; like porivacy stuff
07:56 schestowitz[TR]; at the same time you selectively and intentionally ignore the worst offenders
07:56 schestowitz[TR]; so you don't have a consistent set of principles
07:56 DaemonFC; A 15 year old girl on Matrix was telling me about how they just sentenced her step dad for raping her when she was 11.
07:56 schestowitz[TR]; you just perceive yourself to be "hitman" soldat
07:56 DaemonFC; The prosecutor gave the guy a plea bargain to 2 of 11 charges, and he got 20 years.
07:56 mjg59_; What does that have to do with the quality of my technical writing?
07:57 DaemonFC; Means he'll be back in 10?
07:57 schestowitz[TR]; you have no quality
07:57 schestowitz[TR]; your blog promotes a ton of BS
07:57 schestowitz[TR]; ACPI days.,... OK
07:57 DaemonFC; A rational society kills people who have no use and who prey on the most vulnerable.
07:57 schestowitz[TR]; I was OK with ACPIU work
07:57 schestowitz[TR]; ACIPI is a mess
07:57 schestowitz[TR]; but having some support is better than none
07:57 schestowitz[TR]; back then many laptops did not hibernate correctly under Linux
07:57 schestowitz[TR]; that's a fact
07:57 schestowitz[TR]; so I rarely bothered with low-energy modes
07:57 schestowitz[TR]; it was not reliable
07:58 DaemonFC; Most laptops don't hibernate anymore, thanks to "Secure" boot.
07:58 schestowitz[TR]; laptops in general were sticky business
07:58 DaemonFC; So in a way, he fixed that.
07:58 schestowitz[TR]; so I used desktops mostly
07:58 DaemonFC; Now it's just not a feature anymore.
07:58 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: rianne's laptop handles these modes OK
07:58 DaemonFC; Jesus, I mean like I've deleted entire subsystems out of Linux before.
07:58 schestowitz[TR]; maybe depends on the OEM
07:58 DaemonFC; Does that put me up there with Matt Gulag?
07:59 schestowitz[TR]; I reckon nowadays Vista 11/12/next versionb deals with ACPI less capably than currect Linuxz
07:59 schestowitz[TR]; but have not checked
07:59 DaemonFC; No, because I can't inflict my kernel build on millions of people.
07:59 schestowitz[TR]; WIndiows is a sordid mess
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.43 average k/sec., average swarm size 132.71
07:59 schestowitz[TR]; promoting 'secure' botot BS buys Microsoft time
07:59 schestowitz[TR]; to attack Linux from the inside
07:59 schestowitz[TR]; with Canonical, bribed by Micreoisoft
07:59 schestowitz[TR]; systemd, WSL...
07:59 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: What I'm hearing here is that my opinions on secure boot are more offensive than transphobia
07:59 schestowitz[TR]; they won't succeed
07:59 schestowitz[TR]; but they do harm
07:59 DaemonFC; mjg59_, You're doing actual harm.
08:00 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: transphobia isn't relevant
08:00 schestowitz[TR]; we are tealking tech here
08:00 DaemonFC; I have some personal opinions that ultimately don't change anything and aren't even extreme.
08:00 schestowitz[TR]; IU'm SURE you have some trly OBJECTIONABLE vioews in politics... that you do not publicly express
08:00 schestowitz[TR]; if I spoke to your parents, I would find out
08:00 schestowitz[TR]; "off the record"
08:00 DaemonFC; An extremist would be what the Muslim countries do if someone there is stupid enough to say they're a trans woman.
08:01 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: k, you think my views on secure boot are more offensive than transphobia
08:01 DaemonFC; I said I basically don't give a shit about it because it's not an issue in my life.
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; you get arrested in some countries for putting pronouns in you social controlm media account
08:01 DaemonFC; mjg59_, I didn't give a shit about Immigration either until I married an immigrant. I try to keep the horse blinders on. It makes things easier.
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: no
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; just more relevant
08:01 DaemonFC; You start looking around, you're going to see a huge mess you can't fix.
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; we are never writing articles on political issues like these
08:01 DaemonFC; And all it will do is make you depressed.
08:01 schestowitz[TR]; as an aside we mention some stuff
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; like EPO's political connections
08:02 DaemonFC; Somewhere right now, a cat is being run over by a car.
08:02 DaemonFC; Does me thinking about it fix that? No.
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; EPO is inherently political, not scientific
08:02 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: You don't think transphobia is relevant to a community that has a disproportionately large number of trans members?
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; you shoulsd write more about EPO
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; relevant to a lot of tech and relevant to their abuse of women, too
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; and minorities etc.
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; but you don't care
08:02 DaemonFC; I like cats. If I fixate on something I don't like and can't change, then it doesn't help me. It might bum me out.
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; an unemployed man in IL worriess you TONS more
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: clearly you got it all wrong
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; because for many years we got by
08:03 DaemonFC; I don't know what he thinks he'll take.
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; without censoring people
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; for "wroingthink"
08:03 DaemonFC; The mold growing on the wall behind my toilet?
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; and unlike many communities, we are still here
08:04 DaemonFC; I've spent down everything I've ever had dealing with the mess my ex made and my spouse's health and immigration issues.
08:04 mjg59_; Ok so it's fair to say that you don't think transphobia is sufficient reason to exclude someone from a community
08:04 DaemonFC; And filed bankruptcy.
08:04 DaemonFC; I mean, I don't have anything left to give.
08:04 DaemonFC; I wish I did.
08:04 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: That feels like a fair statement?
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; you start with this
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; then, what next?
08:05 mjg59_; Is it unfair to say that?
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; also, bannning gays who don't want the "T" is low blow
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; maybe you want us to also ban gays?
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; would that pelase you?
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; "social justice"?
08:05 DaemonFC; What, including him?
08:05 mjg59_; I don't want you to ban anyone because they're gay
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; you do
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; you want to banish DaemonFC
08:05 mjg59_; I literally don't
08:06 mjg59_; Not because he's gay
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; you do
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; you demand it
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; despite being funded by al sweigart
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; by shaming us into it
08:06 mjg59_; His sexuality has nothing to do with it
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; like you did RMS and LT
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; whcih isnt and never was her fault
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; you fail to see the harm you do
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; you are out of touch
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; and you need more counselling
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; people who want to see a logical conclusion to the relentless nonsense on both sides of this should just watch contrapoints
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; you are hjhypersensitive
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; and thin-skinned
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; erally, any video by contrapoints
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; like jews who cannot take a single holocaust joke
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; because "it hurts"
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; or who call everyone "antisemite"
08:07 schestowitz[TR]; to the point where then term has no meaning
08:07 DaemonFC; You know, all I said about one person I don't like very much is that he should have just waited until his kids were grown and out of the house.
08:07 schestowitz[TR]; you are now building society
08:07 DaemonFC; Would it have killed him?
08:07 schestowitz[TR]; you are trying to cull society
08:07 highest_cubist_thrills; contrapoints actually goes somewhere with these issues
08:07 highest_cubist_thrills; here, its just sort of a backdrop and
08:07 highest_cubist_thrills; noise
08:07 DaemonFC; That "trans" woman isn't a very decent human being.
08:07 highest_cubist_thrills; i think mjg really sincerely wants to figure out roy
08:07 DaemonFC; Look how bad "they" fucked up the kids.
08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; but he wont because hes attributing things to a process that doesnt even exist
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: you give him too much benefit of the doubt
08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; nevermind the motives
08:08 DaemonFC; You know, if you're going to start a family, you should stay and finish the job.
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; he is attempting to distract from technical issues
08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; highest_cubist_thrills: you give him too much benefit of the doubt <- i dont give him any
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; and time-waste
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; bbl
08:08 DaemonFC; Then get a divorce, become "a woman", do whatever you want.
08:08 DaemonFC; You're on your own time again.
08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; anyway, understanding roy is easy
08:08 TR News; "The OpenBSD virtual machine daemon works pretty well with Linux VMs nowadays." https://www.tumfatig.net/2022/running-docker-host-openbsd-vmd/ | Source: TuMFatig
08:08 TR Bot; TuM'Fatig - Running a Docker Host under OpenBSD using vmd(8)
08:09 DaemonFC; That's literally all I said was I don't like "Keith".
08:09 highest_cubist_thrills; its all reaction, zero process
08:09 TR News; "This article will try to bring you up to speed on FreeBSD services management, and offer options for automation that you may find useful in your cloud-like environments." https://klarasystems.com/articles/rc8-freebsd-services-and-automation/ | Source: Klara
08:09 TR Bot; rc(8): FreeBSD Services and Automation - Klara Inc.
08:09 highest_cubist_thrills; so any process you attribute it to is an error
08:09 TR News; "After talking about IoT development kits for the past several years, I figured it was time to get my hands dirty." https://staceyoniot.com/so-i-made-a-lora-based-prototype-using-a-dev-kit/ | Source: Stacey on IoT
08:09 TR Bot; So I made a LoRa-based prototype using a dev kit - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
08:09 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
08:09 highest_cubist_thrills; this is like a collaborative reaction video that never ends
08:09 highest_cubist_thrills; or the transcript of one
08:10 TR News; "All makers love lasers and they make great shop tools. Even low-power lasers can engrave a variety of materials." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/22/mokey-is-an-affordable-diy-laser-engraver/ | Source: Arduino
08:10 TR Bot; Mokey is an affordable DIY laser engraver | Arduino Blog
08:10 highest_cubist_thrills; its entertaining, but its still a repeat
08:10 DaemonFC; You know, I'm never going to have any family that I'm responsible for except Mandy, and with all the shit that happened to him in the Philippines I'll be goddamned if I'm going to let anything happen to him here.
08:10 DaemonFC; People should feel this strongly or more so about their children.
08:11 TR News; "Today we have released a maintenance release of PowerDNS Recursor 4.5.11, 4.6.4 and 4.7.3" https://blog.powerdns.com/2022/09/20/powerdns-recursor-4-5-11-4-6-4-and-4-7-3-released/ | Source: PowerDNS
08:11 TR Bot; PowerDNS Recursor 4.5.11, 4.6.4 and 4.7.3 Released | PowerDNS Blog
08:12 DaemonFC; I don't have time to give a flying fuck one way or the other about "trans issues".
08:12 TR News; "This is it folks. Theyre going away fast." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/web-engines-that-are-still-free-of-rust-as-of-september-2022-bonus-cascade-of-attention-deficit-web-developers/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
08:12 TR Bot; Web engines that are still free of Rust as of September 2022. Bonus: Cascade of Attention Deficit Web Developers | BaronHK's Rants
08:12 TR News; "Firefox 105 is out. No, it's not your imagination: I ended up skipping a couple versions" https://www.talospace.com/2022/09/firefox-105-on-power.html | Source: Talospace
08:12 DaemonFC; I'll be honest. They don't matter at all to me. Nobody I know other than Keith was trans, and I haven't talked to him since 1993.
08:12 TR Bot; Firefox 105 on POWER
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: it's off topic anyway
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; don't play into the hands of the resident troll
08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; the thing about a reaction video is
08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; the thing about a reaction video is
08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; the people reacting have zero impact on the video theyre reacting to
08:13 TR News; "Because of environmental reasons (and the airport being nothing short of a complete clusterfuck), we took the Nightjet to Vienna." https://h3artbl33d.nl/blog/eurobsdcon-2022 |
08:13 TR Bot; EuroBSDcon 2022 | h3artbl33d
08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; it goes on exactly as it was made, exactly the same no matter how many times you hit repeat
08:14 TR News; "SparkFun is dedicated to providing technical documentation and tools to support the use of new tech." https://www.sparkfun.com/news/5456 | Source: SparkFun Electronics
08:14 TR Bot; Resource Collections: Technical Reference Support for Popular Technology Topics - News - SparkFun Electronics
08:14 DaemonFC; Firefox 105....or......Firefox 7 under the old pace.
08:14 DaemonFC; This is getting ridiculous. Version inflation.
08:14 TR News; "In this blog post, Ill share my journey from studying biology to becoming a healthcare data analyst." Privacy issues a bit thing here :/ https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/09/from-biology-to-healthcare-analytics-my-data-science-journey/ | Source: Rlang
08:14 TR Bot; Biology to Healthcare Analytics: My Data Science Journey | R-bloggers
08:14 DaemonFC; Biden is running Mozilla.
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; into the ground
08:15 DaemonFC; I remember when I rolled my eyes because Netscape skipped version 5.
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; yesterday I opened a new tab
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; shows me adidas adsa
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; ad
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; in the new tab
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; tried to find where to disable it
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; could not find it
08:15 DaemonFC; I mainly like SeaMonkey because of nostalgia.
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; firefox is not free software
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; it also has DRM
08:15 DaemonFC; I can open it up and the GUI hasn't changed at all really since I was like 17 maybe?
08:16 DaemonFC; Nothing with DRM is Free Software.
08:16 TR News; [Old] "Standard Development Organizations (SDO) and Open Source Software (OSS) Projects offer two different models" https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3790616 | Source: SSRN
08:16 TR Bot; Downsides of Using Inadequate Open Source Software Processes and Licenses within Standard Development Organizations by Michele Herman, Justus Baron :: SSRN
08:16 DaemonFC; GNOME Web doesn't have DRM. They're not big enough for GULAG to license Widevine to even if they wanted it.
08:16 DaemonFC; That's the thing. Not only is it proprietary, but GULAG decides who is allowed to have it.
08:16 TR News; Open Data: "In the run-up to the October finale, meet the 12 EU Datathon finalist teams and peek behind the scenes! Launched at the beginning of September" https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-data/news/video-series-about-eu-datathon-2022-finalists | Source: Joinup
08:16 DaemonFC; mjg59_, worked for them.
08:17 DaemonFC; They've done way worse than this.
08:17 TR News; "C++ will continue to endure for decades, but greenfield projects that fit the requirements should consider an alternative" https://matt-rickard.com/rust-vs-c | Source: Matt Rickard
08:17 TR Bot; timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-data/news/video-series-about-eu-datathon-2022-finalists )
08:17 TR Bot; Rust, C++, or Carbon?
08:17 DaemonFC; I'll never forget the post from Mozilla saying they just HAD to shove it in there without asking you.
08:17 TR News; "What to learn in order to not become obsolete as a software developer, and then being forced into early retirement from programming?" https://alexn.org/blog/2022/09/22/proprietary-environments-are-a-trap/ | Source: Alexandru Nedelcu
08:17 TR Bot; Proprietary Environments are a Trap - Alexandru Nedelcu
08:17 DaemonFC; They know if most people had the option, they'd tell Google to fuck off.
08:17 DaemonFC; And get the one without Widevine.
08:18 TR News; [Old] "The knowledge I've gained about programming POSIX is still useful, even though I learned a lot of it over twenty years ago." https://web.archive.org/web/20150309050037/http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/122 |
08:18 DaemonFC; But if nobody thinks about it, nobody is allowed to refuse.
08:18 TR Bot; Working for The Man | Tux Deluxe
08:18 TR News; "Not quite aphorisms." https://www.datagubbe.se/short/ | Source: Carl Svensson
08:18 TR Bot; Thoughts on Computers and Programming | datagubbe.se
08:19 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> GNOME Web doesn't have DRM. They're not big enough for GULAG to license Widevine to even if they wanted it.
08:19 schestowitz[TR]; wait till they grow
08:19 schestowitz[TR]; then gnome will get more 'donations'
08:19 schestowitz[TR]; btw, i started calling them gulag only after their employee kept defaming me
08:19 TR News; [Old] "What Would Open Source Look Like If It Were Healthy?" https://harihareswara.net/posts/2021/what-would-open-source-look-like-if-it-were-healthy-video-transcript/ |
08:19 TR Bot; What Would Open Source Look Like If It Were Healthy? Video & Transcript | Cogito, Ergo Sumana
08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
08:20 TR News; "I want and aim for libcurl to be the best documented software library in the world." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/09/22/taking-curl-documentation-quality-up-one-more-notch/ | Source: Daniel Stenberg
08:20 TR Bot; curl documentation quality up one more notch | daniel.haxx.se
08:21 TR News; "The idea is tree-shaking analyzing a program's control flow to see what functions will be called and removing unused code." https://matt-rickard.com/tree-shaking | Source: Matt Rickard
08:21 TR Bot; Tree Shaking
08:21 TR News; "This is the Adafruit weekly Python on Microcontrollers newsletter video highlights!" https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/09/22/the-python-on-hardware-weekly-video-september-21-2022-circuitpython-python-micropython-adafruit/ | Source: Adafruit
08:21 TR Bot; The Python on Hardware weekly video September 21, 2022 #CircuitPython #Python @micropython @Adafruit Adafruit Industries Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers!
08:22 DaemonFC; They fire everyone that's not a freak of nature like mjg59_. They want people who are some maniac who sound like they're progressive, yet are willing to work to harm people.
08:22 TR News; "Java Development Kit 19, a non-LTS (long-term support) release of standard Java, arrives today as a production release" https://www.infoworld.com/article/3653331/jdk-19-the-new-features-in-java-19.html | Source: InfoWorld
08:22 TR Bot; 19: The new features in Java 19 | InfoWorld
08:22 TR News; "Oracle today announced the availability of Java 19, the latest version of the worlds number one programming language and development platform." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/consumer-tech/java-19s-key-capabilities-to-be-showcased-at-javaone-2022-in-las-vegas/94375327 | Source: India Times
08:22 TR Bot; java: Java 19s key capabilities to be showcased at JavaOne 2022 in Las Vegas, CIO News, ET CIO
08:23 TR News; The Web has become such a sordid mess. Lies, spam, ads. Without curation, today's WWW is not usable and not informative.
08:23 DaemonFC; I'm sure he believes his own propaganda.
08:24 DaemonFC; That's what happens eventually when you're a narcissist.
08:24 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D362.jpg
08:25 TR News; "I turned 30 yesterday. I'm currently struggling with this. Part of me wants to bury myself in old anime and games and pretend it's 2006. Part of me wants to really start kissing ass at work so I can start working on one of those "careers" I'm supposed to have. I have no idea what to do." gemini://tskaalgard.midnight.pub/diary.gmi
08:25 DaemonFC; In mjg59_'s warped corrupted mind, I actually am marching trans people off to the "camps" or something. He builds me up to be the Great White Satan. And so by harassing me, he can feel better about himself.
08:25 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D708.jpg
08:26 DaemonFC; <techrights-news> "I turned 30 yesterday. I'm currently struggling with this. Part of me wants to bury myself in old anime and games and pretend it's 2006. Part of me wants to really start kissing ass at work so I can start working on one of those "careers" I'm supposed to have. I have no idea what to do." gemini://tskaalgard.midnight.pub/diary.gmi
08:26 DaemonFC; I'm about to turn 40. I don't have much to show for it.
08:26 DaemonFC; Started developing chest pains. Can't drop dead just yet.
08:26 TR News; "The newest, Smarter than Smart, TVs are becoming nastier..." gemini://station.martinrue.com/freezr/7647b2f6952043e08dc8ccc1c5a288c4
08:27 TR News; Plainly Put: Plane Power Play gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-09-23-plainly-put-plane-power-play.gmi "I'm not sure I like that sort of gameplay. When I play single player games I start a lot earlier, using a few mods that add earlier vehicles. That means the addition of planes is far away. It's a much more relaxing sort of game."
08:27 DaemonFC; Death would otherwise be sort of like a promotion, but there's still things left to do.
08:29 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ accomplished a lot
08:29 schestowitz[TR]; weeks of his life spent in an irc network hostile towards him
08:29 scientes; so did Stalin
08:29 schestowitz[TR]; talking to people who don't like what he does
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08:30 DaemonFC; Particularly one person in the entire world that he attacks for not being pro-LGBT, despite being gay.
08:30 scientes; schestowitz this channel is also hostile to Poettering
08:30 mjg59_; Every minute you're talking to me is a minute less of your life you can use to abuse other people, so I'm ok with that
08:30 scientes; for totally stupid reasons
08:30 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Every minute you're talking to me is a minute less of your life you can use to abuse other people, so I'm ok with that
08:30 DaemonFC; Who am I abusing, do you imagine, Mr. GULAG?
08:30 scientes; as I was saying, Joseph Stalin accomplished alot
08:31 mjg59_; Dr. GULAG, actually
08:31 DaemonFC; Mr. will suffice.
08:31 TR News; "In The Cave of Time, the first book in the series, you discover a time-travelling cave whose tunnels carry you to Colonial Massachusetts, where you become a soap-makers apprentice" https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/09/19/the-enduring-allure-of-choose-your-own-adventure-books | Source: New Yorker
08:31 TR Bot; The Enduring Allure of Choose Your Own Adventure Books | The New Yorker
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08:32 schestowitz[TR]; dr mendele of the soviets
08:32 DaemonFC; Dr. GULAG sounds like the name of an actual doctor.
08:32 mjg59_; Do you mean Mengele?
08:32 DaemonFC; One of those Indian psychiatrists.
08:32 schestowitz[TR]; <scientes> schestowitz this channel is also hostile to Poettering
08:32 mjg59_; Because, uh, he was pretty famously not a soviet
08:32 schestowitz[TR]; we don't like Microsoft employees
08:32 schestowitz[TR]; esp. those that attack us
08:32 scientes; mjg59_, I visited his house
08:33 DaemonFC; Paging Dr. GULAG, Dr. GULAG!
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; whose?
08:33 scientes; Joseph Stalin
08:33 DaemonFC; Dr. Bombay! Dr. Bombay! Come right away!
08:33 TR News; [Old] "If you reword your job advertisements to remove this $TECHNOLOGY as a requirement and replace it with a desirable (or just mention you use it)" https://mikemcquaid.com/stop-requiring-specific-technology-experience-for-senior-plus-engineers/ | Source: Mike McQuaid
08:33 TR Bot; Stop requiring specific technology experience for senior-plus engineers | Mike McQuaid
08:34 TR News; "Sears, a student with a disability, was placed into conflict with a tenured professor who held power over him and denied him meaningful access to education services" https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/william-sears-ranee-panjabi-human-rights-decision-1.6589955 | Source: CBC
08:34 TR Bot; Former MUN student wins human rights case after prof refused to wear a mic | CBC News
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; roy what was your first desk like
08:35 schestowitz[TR]; desk?
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; dont pretend you dont know what a desk is
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; its too late to be coy
08:35 schestowitz[TR]; yes, but the question needs more specificity
08:35 DaemonFC; A standing desk made of cocobolo wood, no doubt.
08:35 schestowitz[TR]; we had desks in kindergarten too
08:35 TR News; "Prototyping is moving. Its the meeting, the considering, and the conceptualizing, but with iterative progress in a concrete artifact." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/moving-with-prototypes/ | Source: Jim Nielsen
08:35 TR Bot; Moving With Prototypes - Jim Nielsens Blog
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; well yeah but that wasnt really your desk
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean YOUR desk
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; nor was the one at home
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; it was the parents'
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; as a student, I rented
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; I have photos of those desks
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; youve never had a desk of your own?
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; I use one now
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; I assembled it myself
08:36 starstreak; i use a folding table
08:36 DaemonFC; One day someone will make a movie about Matt. Dr. GULAG, or how I learned to stop worrying and love the groomers.
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; so when was your first
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; never thought about it, but the first was improved
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; it was a folding table
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; *imrovised
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; thats common
08:37 *schestowitz[TR] looks for photos
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; i had a long coffee table from the 70s in my first place
08:37 mjg59_; DaemonFC: You seem to have extremely odd opinions about my sexuality
08:38 scientes; mjg59_, I don't care what animals you prefer to have sex with
08:38 scientes; or maybe you are a plant man, idk
08:38 schestowitz[TR]; http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Winter-in-Manchester
08:38 DaemonFC; Hey, that's his........"partner".
08:38 TR Bot; Winter in Manchester
08:38 schestowitz[TR]; many photos there of the desk
08:38 DaemonFC; Sounds so clinical, doesn't it?
08:38 DaemonFC; Cold, detached.
08:39 DaemonFC; You can really feel the love....
08:39 mjg59_; Almost like there isn't a better word to describe the relationship
08:39 DaemonFC; "Partner"
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; rianne used to workm like this http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Working-Out-and-Working-From-Home/2014-6
08:39 starstreak; lol acer
08:39 TR Bot; 2014-6
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; a decade ago
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; /me actually liked acer
08:40 highest_cubist_thrills; not because they were good
08:40 highest_cubist_thrills; asus was being a dick
08:40 DaemonFC; The word "Partner" is such an insult that when the state of New Jersey ordered eHarmony to comply with an anti-discrimination law, they launched an entirely separate Web site called "Compatible Partners".
08:40 mjg59_; DaemonFC: What word should I be using?
08:40 DaemonFC; Yet, you use it openly to describe the object of your affection?
08:40 DaemonFC; Anything but that!
08:41 mjg59_; Give me an example
08:41 TR News; "The ROS-Industrial Community Meeting was held on Wednesday, 9/21, and it brought with it a few interesting updates for the Industrial ROS community" https://rosindustrial.org/news/2022/9/22/fall-2022-ros-i-community-meeting-happenings | Source: ROS Industrial
08:41 TR Bot; Fall 2022 ROS-I Community Meeting Happenings ROS-Industrial
08:41 DaemonFC; Well, can't use spouse because you're not serious. At least I think you aren't....
08:41 DaemonFC; Hmmm.....
08:41 highest_cubist_thrills; http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Winter-in-Manchester/20190220_061634 beautiful
08:41 TR Bot; 20190220 061634
08:41 DaemonFC; Girlfriend/Boyfriend? Too juvenile.
08:42 mjg59_; Also inaccurate
08:42 mjg59_; Not a girl(tm)
08:42 TR News; "In a book written by Persky, he goes over some of the more recurring customers on the site" https://www.techspot.com/news/96042-last-man-selling-floppy-disks-receives-orders-airlines.html | Source: TechSpot
08:42 TR Bot; last man selling floppy disks says he still receives orders from airlines | TechSpot
08:42 DaemonFC; It's a failure of the language, I suppose.
08:42 DaemonFC; Poets didn't really plan on "Partners".
08:42 mjg59_; "Lover" is inaccurate because we're more than that
08:43 mjg59_; If there were a more emotionally evocative term that conveyed the correct impression I'd use it, but I'm not aware of one
08:43 DaemonFC; I'd work on that.
08:44 schestowitz[TR]; partners sounds business-oriented
08:44 mjg59_; But since there isn't, we mutually decided on "partner"
08:44 schestowitz[TR]; but then you condemn DaemonFC for usint rhe term
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> partners sounds business-oriented <- im going to vote in favour of partner, not that its a vote
08:44 schestowitz[TR]; when you yourself chose it
08:44 DaemonFC; At least Immigration will finally stop getting on my ass to prove my marriage is real, eventually.
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; it can be used in business too
08:45 DaemonFC; As depressed as Al Bundy was with Peg, he always came home to her.
08:45 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Uh, I criticised him criticising me for using it
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; but its not exactly new millennial lingo in this context
08:45 schestowitz[TR]; she was portrayed as the nymph
08:45 schestowitz[TR]; like al was doing her a favour
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; dfcs giant bug up his arse about the use of the word partner is funny
08:46 schestowitz[TR]; maybe I don't remember it accurately
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; this has been going on for like a year now
08:46 DaemonFC; Al was loyal to a fault even if he wasn't that smart.
08:46 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, spouse does not apply here
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; spouse implies marriage
08:46 schestowitz[TR]; and french does not have a way around "ee" and e" (with accents)
08:46 DaemonFC; Spouse implies loyalty.
08:46 DaemonFC; Spouse implies you take it seriously.
08:46 schestowitz[TR]; wedlock
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; in some religion, the concept of "relationship" is offensive
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; you have no realationship per se until you marry
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; and sometimes not by your own choosing
08:47 mjg59_; That seems off-topic
08:47 DaemonFC; I'm not sure why mjg59_ would remain unmarried unless he's worried about a gold digger or he doesn't want to commit.
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; in parts of china too, I think
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; it's not a purely religious thing
08:47 DaemonFC; Those are the only two possibilities that usually apply.
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: or you are not comfortable with the topic
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; you always being off-topic stuff here
08:48 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: No, just not comfortable with your hypocrisy
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; and not you want to steer away
08:48 mjg59_; If off-topic stuff is fine, stop complaining abou tit
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> I'm not sure why mjg59_ would remain unmarried unless he's worried about a gold digger or he doesn't want to commit.\
08:48 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Gold digger or committment issues?
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; maybe if it doesn't work out he'll be accused of rape
08:49 mjg59_; DaemonFC: A pandemic isn't really the best time for people with family on two different continents to have a wedding?
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; there's some history
08:49 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: A pandemic isn't really the best time for people with family on two different continents to have a wedding?
08:49 DaemonFC; Neither was when I got married.
08:49 DaemonFC; But I did it anyway.
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; you can have a wedding with 3 peole
08:49 mjg59_; Cool?
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; we had one with 5
08:49 DaemonFC; And I overcame our problems instead of hiding under my bed like a wuss.
08:49 mjg59_; I'd prefer one that was more fun for everyone
08:50 DaemonFC; What's stopping you from having fun?
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; you don't know how to waste money
08:50 DaemonFC; Did Congress pass a law making it illegal to have fun?
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; so you throw it at lawyers
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; to pester rianne and I
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; and then want to show how "big shit" you are
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; *shot
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; by flying people across an ocean
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; for a 3-hour bash
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; I won't comment on enviromental impact
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; nat friedman flew people to italy
08:51 DaemonFC; If the ceremony takes longer than it does to make a decent margarita, it's gone on too long.
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; so that little spioled stephenie schatz can show off to her mates with photos
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; in social control media
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; and garner "likes"
08:51 mjg59_; You really do have a bunch of pent up anger at people who really don't have any impact on your life
08:52 DaemonFC; I don't have that many photos honestly. A few with mom and some of Mandy's family and us up there with the judge.
08:52 DaemonFC; And dinner.
08:52 DaemonFC; That's pretty much it.
08:52 TR News; "Garrett Hawkins, president of the Missouri Farm Bureau, testified to the broadband needs of farmers." https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/09/republican-congressmen-criticize-ntia-fcc-absence-at-farm-bill-hearing/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
08:52 TR Bot; Republican Congressmen Criticize NTIA, FCC Absence at Farm Bill Hearing : Broadband Breakfast
08:52 TR News; [Old] "Doctors in British Columbia can now prescribe a national park pass to patients in need of the physical or mental health benefits offered by time spent in nature" https://globalnews.ca/news/8587316/bc-doctors-prescription-park-pass/ | Source: Global News CA
08:52 TR Bot; doctors can now prescribe national park pass to patients who need nature time | Globalnews.ca
08:53 DaemonFC; mjg59_, So you're afraid of COVID and that's going to prevent you from getting married......forever?
08:53 DaemonFC; God, you would bomb out so bad if you ended up in that movie Defending Your Life.
08:54 TR News; "Credit the coronavirus pandemic for wastewaters growing role in tracking emerging threats to public health." https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/sewer-poop-its-not-just-covid-testing-anymore | Source: Bridge Michigan
08:54 DaemonFC; COVID will be here forever. If you're vaccinated, haven't you done everything reasonable? Careful about going outside, Matt.
08:54 TR Bot; Sewer poop: its not just for COVID testing anymore | Bridge Michigan
08:54 DaemonFC; A brick may fall and crack your skull, you know.
08:54 DaemonFC; That's life.
08:55 DaemonFC; One minute you're here, the next minute it's party time for all the little worms.
08:55 DaemonFC; You're "missing out".
08:55 DaemonFC; You know, that's one reason why I don't let many things bother me anymore.
08:56 DaemonFC; Like, really bother me.
08:57 DaemonFC; I got through the past three years, awful as they were, with no plan at all.
08:57 DaemonFC; Just one thing at a time.
08:59 DaemonFC; Even while my life was being turned upside down I planned for things to get better even with no guarantee that they would.
08:59 DaemonFC; Because it's what you do.
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 63.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 146.56
08:59 TR News; GitHus is NOT FOSS. It's an occupation against it! It's also an attack on Git itself (de-commoditisation by Microsoft, vendor lock-in) https://harihareswara.net/posts/2022/what-you-miss-by-only-checking-github/ |
08:59 TR Bot; What You Miss By Only Checking GitHub | Cogito, Ergo Sumana
08:59 TR News; Popcorn time (not the program) https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/instagram-down-widespread-technical-problems-app-1235380663/ | Source: Variety
↺ https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/instagram-down-widespread-technical-problems-app-1235380663/
08:59 TR Bot; Down: Users Report Widespread Technical Problems With App - Variety
09:00 TR News; Proprietary designs and patents, ripping off the most vulnerable people https://www.teenvogue.com/story/why-prosthetics-so-expensive | Source: Teen Vogue
09:00 TR Bot; Why Are Prosthetics So Expensive? Researchers Are Working to Change That | Teen Vogue
09:00 DaemonFC; Self-hosting a repo and running gitweb is an option.
09:00 TR News; "A new rhythm game called "Trombone Champ" has struck a chord with users online, bringing the kind of much-needed levity to the internet that only a trombone can" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/22/tech/trombone-champ/index.html | Source: CNN
09:00 TR Bot; The internet's new favorite video game is like 'Guitar Hero' but with trombones | CNN Business
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: gitweb is OK
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; but gemini can work too
09:01 DaemonFC; I'm sure the worst kernel I've built was better than CBL-Mariner.
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; and you can put a http/html gateway in front of it
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; nobody uses that microsofgt trash
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; it's just a googlwebombing crap
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; foir micreosoft to polliyute Linux signal
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; and lie about "loving" linux
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; like WSL used mto be
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; nobody mentioned it for months
09:03 schestowitz[TR]; now Canonical is sucking the boots of Microsoft
09:03 schestowitz[TR]; and then the Microsoft boosters cite Canonical
09:03 schestowitz[TR]; to make it seem like Microsoft owns Linux
09:03 TR News; "Lima is powered by QEMU and is frequently used (via colima) to run containers on macOS. That is, it can be used as an alternative to docker desktop." https://earthly.dev/blog/lima/ | Source: Earthly
09:03 TR Bot; Lima VM - Linux Virtual Machines On macOS - Earthly Blog
09:04 TR News; "decades of experience" https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/20/linux_foundation_europe/ lobbying for bad companies http://techrights.org/2022/09/21/lf-openwashing-front-group/
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09:04 TR Bot; Linux Foundation launches European division The Register
09:04 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Europe a Front Group for Patent Trolls and American Monopolies | Techrights
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09:04 TR News; "The Court of Justice confirms that EU law precludes the general and indiscriminate retention of traffic and location data" https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2022-09/cp220156en.pdf | Source: CJEU
09:04 TR News; "Over the past eight months, Han Nyein Oos Telegram channels, and those of other pro-coup figures, including self-defined journalist Thazin Oo" https://www.wired.com/story/telegrams-doxing-problem/ | Source: Wired
09:04 TR Bot; Has a Serious Doxing Problem | WIRED
09:05 TR News; "AB 2273, or the California Age-Appropriate Design Code Act, promises to make the Internet safer for childrenin part by tightening age verification" https://spectrum.ieee.org/californias-proposed-law-could-change-the-internet | Source: IEEE
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09:05 TR Bot; Californias Proposed Law Could Change the Internet - IEEE Spectrum
09:05 TR News; "In this tutorial, you will build a facial recognition system." https://earthly.dev/blog/face-recog-sys-with-jupyter/ | Source: Earthly
09:05 TR Bot; Creating and Deploying a Facial Recognition System with Jupyter Notebooks and Anvil - Earthly Blog
09:05 TR News; "To give a bit of context on the Fediverse switch, hers how I use the Big Tech Services: [...]" https://www.tumfatig.net/1/ | Source: TuMFatig
09:05 TR Bot; TuM'Fatig -
09:06 TR News; "The current version of Certificate Transparency is described in RFC 9162." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/TLSCertTransLogsClientView | Source: uni Toronto
09:06 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/TLSCertTransLogsClientView
09:07 TR News; "According to Crew, the threats in question were made by a member of Vorherrschaft Division on a far-right extremist messaging site called Telegram." https://www.salon.com/2022/09/22/secret-warned-capitol-police-of-neo-nazi-a-week-prior-to-insurrection/ | Source: Salon
09:07 TR Bot; Service warned Capitol Police of neo-Nazi threats a week prior to insurrection | Salon.com
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09:08 TR News; "Rewilding in cities can tackle these impacts with more diverse greenery and space for water, which cools the air and absorbs rainfall" https://www.thenational.wales/news/22514911.rewilding-cities-can-tackle-climate-driven-heatwaves-floods---zsl/ | Source: Newsquest Media Group Ltd
09:09 TR Bot; Rewilding in cities can tackle climate-driven heatwaves and floods ZSL | The National Wales
09:12 TR News; Overpopulation still the elephant in the room. The cities themselves are means of accommodating far too many people. Over capacity = Overpopulation. See countries where there's no chance of feeding the people (bar imports): Macao, Singapore.... https://www.zsl.org/science/news/rewilding-our-cities-could-reduce-impacts-of-extreme-weather-says-new-report |
09:12 TR Bot; Rewilding our cities could reduce impacts of extreme weather, says new report | Zoological Society of London (ZSL)
09:12 TR News; Need more nature https://www.conservation.org/blog/new-report-without-nature-there-is-no-path-to-a-climate-safe-future |
09:13 TR Bot; New report: Without nature, there is no path to a climate-safe future
09:13 TR News; UK Composition Of Foods Integrated Dataset (COFID) https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0259418#sec015 | Source: PLOS
09:13 TR Bot; Variations in greenhouse gas emissions of individual diets: Associations between the greenhouse gas emissions and nutrient intake in the United Kingdom | PLOS ONE
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09:14 TR News; Insincere solutioneering, e.g. claims corporations will solve climate change, won't help the fake (centrist, corporate) left. It helps science deniers... as they target straw men arguments.
09:15 TR News; "We have a 55 inch QLED Samsung TV from 2018." https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/09/22/quickpost-tuning-the-electric-energy-consumption-of-my-tv/ | Source: Didier Stevens
09:15 TR Bot; Quickpost: Tuning The Electric Energy Consumption Of My TV | Didier Stevens
09:16 TR News; "$30 Million Seized: How the Cryptocurrency Community Is Making It Difficult for North Korean Hackers To Profit" https://blog.dshr.org/2022/09/cryptocurrency-enabled-crime.html | Source: David Rosenthal
09:16 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: Cryptocurrency-enabled Crime
09:16 TR News; Fossil fuels make up 90% of Middle East air pollution https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1969752.html | Source: RTL
09:16 TR Bot; RTL Today - Dangerous levels: Fossil fuels make up 90% of Middle East air pollution: study
09:17 TR News; "A total of 1,600 square kilometers (994 square miles) of the lagoon and the nearby Mediterranean coastline will now be legally represented by a group of caretakers made up of local officials" https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/spain-grants-personhood-status-mar-menor-lagoon-90266201 | Source: ABC
09:17 TR Bot; Spain gives personhood status to Mar Menor salt-water lagoon - ABC News
09:17 TR News; "This will allow the rights of the lagoon located in southeastern Spain to be defended in court, as though it were a person or business." https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1969371.html | Source: RTL
09:17 TR Bot; RTL Today - Lagoon has "legal identity": Spain grants personhood status to threatened lagoon
09:18 TR News; "Probably one of my favourite pieces of software. I often have a love / hate relationship with it due to some historic instability issues" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/kde-are-raising-funds-for-the-kdenlive-video-editor/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:18 TR Bot; are raising funds for the Kdenlive video editor | GamingOnLinux
09:19 TR News; "become a Kdenlive patro" https://kdenlive.org/en/fund/ |
09:19 TR Bot; Kdenlive Fundraiser - Kdenlive
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, September 22, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/23/irc-log-220922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/23/irc-log-220922/
09:20 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, September 22, 2022 | Techrights
09:22 TR News; "Microsoft Corp. wont label social media posts that appear to be false in order to avoid the appearance that the company is trying to censor speech online" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-21/microsoft-won-t-say-what-s-false-when-labeling-propaganda-online Liars. http://techrights.org/2020/06/28/linkedin-censorship/
09:22 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
09:22 TR Bot; When It Comes to Killing Businesses Microsoft Defends Its Crown | Techrights
09:22 TR News; "climate doom" https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2022/09/22/climate-doom-tiktok-gen-z-eco-anxiety/8004862001/ | Source: Gannett "My social media is littered with videos from teens my age spreading hopelessness and despair"
09:22 TR Bot; Climate 'doomism' is going viral on TikTok and it's hurting Gen Z
09:23 DaemonFC; TikTok hurts everyone that uses it.
09:24 TR News; SO WHAT IS THE POINT HAVING CHUCK? "All of his speeches are written or vetted by the government" https://federalnewsnetwork.com/government-news/2022/09/constitution-stops-charles-becoming-britains-green-king/ | Source: Federal News Network
09:24 TR Bot; Constitution stops Charles becoming Britains green king | Federal News Network
09:24 DaemonFC; I never thought I'd see the day where the FDA felt it was important to urge the public not to eat chicken cooked in Nyquil.
09:24 TR News; "Whistleblower Frances Haugen -- a former Facebook engineer who leaked documents suggesting the firm put profits before safety -- on Thursday launched an organization" https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/facebook-whistleblower-launches-nonprofit-to-take-on-big-tech/news-story/ef44885af09a900cc3f49aa7c400dd90 | Source: News AU
09:24 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/facebook-whistleblower-launches-nonprofit-to-take-on-big-tech/news-story/ef44885af09a900cc3f49aa7c400dd90 )
09:24 DaemonFC; This _is_ what happens when you let the country go to shit, you know.
09:25 TR News; "Iranians have taken to the streets "to achieve their fundamental rights and human dignity..." https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20220922-protesters-torch-police-stations-as-unrest-in-iran-over-woman-s-death-continues | Source: France24
09:25 TR Bot; Irans Raisi vows probe of womans death that sparked deadly protests
09:25 TR News; "the investigation is related to tweets" https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/09/16/saudi-arabia-drop-baseless-investigation-us-citizen | Source: HRW
09:25 TR Bot; Saudi Arabia: Drop Baseless Investigation of US Citizen | Human Rights Watch
09:25 TR News; [Old] "In the last 45 years, I've made eight. That shows what a blacklist can do to a career." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/hollywood-actress-marsha-hunt-dies-at-104-in-california-home/101427548 | Source: ABC
09:25 TR Bot; Actress from Hollywood's 'Golden Age' turned activist, Marsha Hunt, dies aged 104 in California - ABC News
09:25 DaemonFC; mjg59_ should record a Public Service Announcement where he has to sing No Night So Long and then urges children not to eat Nyquil chicken.
09:25 TR News; "Now, Jones is pushing back, bringing suit against some of the Facebook groups" https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/a-school-librarian-pushes-back-on-censorship-and-gets-death-threats-and-online-harassment/2022/09 | Source: EducationWeek
09:25 TR Bot; A School Librarian Pushes Back on Censorship and Gets Death Threats and Online Harassment
09:25 DaemonFC; As part of his community service hours.
09:27 mjg59_; Community service for what?
09:27 DaemonFC; Corrupting the youth of the city, of course. Silly. You know, this really is quite lenient. They made the last guy consume hemlock for that.
09:28 TR News; "Her father, Gholamreza Moaiery, who spoke to CPJ via messaging app, confirmed the arrest." https://cpj.org/ | Source: CPJ
09:28 TR Bot; Committee to Protect Journalists Defending Journalists Worldwide. - Committee to Protect Journalists
09:28 TR News; "Assange revealed some documents and evidence from the U.S. embassy talking about the 2012 elections" https://www.plenglish.com/news/2022/09/21/president-lopez-obrador-calls-assange-a-quixote-of-freedom-of-speech/ |
09:28 TR Bot; President Lpez Obrador calls Assange a Quixote of freedom of speech - Prensa Latina
09:28 TR News; "Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the people of Ukraine, Julian Assange, Sonia Guajajara, and the Colombian Comision de Verdad are among the nominees for the 2022 Sakharov prize" https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/zelenskyy-ukrainians-and-assange-among-nominees-for-2022-sakharov-prize/ | Source: Euractive
09:28 TR Bot; Ukrainians, and Assange among nominees for 2022 Sakharov prize EURACTIV.com
09:29 DaemonFC; Nyquil chicken....
09:29 DaemonFC; Where the fuck does this shit even come from?
09:29 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Corrupting the youth in what way?
09:29 schestowitz[TR]; Nyquil?
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_medicine ?
09:30 TR Bot; Cold medicine - Wikipedia
09:30 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Maybe they call it something else in the UK?
09:30 DaemonFC; Yeah, cold medicine. Knocks you out.
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; I know they stuff animals with antibiotics
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; and steroid-like things
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; for growth
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; like bovine growth hormone
09:30 schestowitz[TR]; and then stuff the "meat" with water
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; to reach "weight targets"
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; this is what capitalism does to food... AND animals
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; they're "products"
09:31 mjg59_; Yeah that's not what's being discussed here
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; and software
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; then the media goes on and on demonising peopple who grow their own foods
09:31 DaemonFC; I can't use Nyquil even if I am really sick.
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; it's unsafe
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; unlike someee piece of "meat"
09:31 DaemonFC; I have to use Dayquil even at night.
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; like GM "salmon"
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: lette to hobbyists
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; is maths a product yet?
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; are formulas patented?
09:32 DaemonFC; If I take dextromethorphan, it can interact with some other medication I'm on quite badly.
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; some are
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; under guise of BM and swpatrs
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; when they figure out how to create locking for math
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; lockin
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean copyright and patents are a good start
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; "maths you cannot use"
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; "infringing maths"
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; but people can still use pencil and paper
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; home calcualation is killing the math industry
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; AND ITS ILLEGAL
09:33 DaemonFC; I have no idea what the fuck the "programming fee" is for the ABS module on my car.
09:33 DaemonFC; They have to load software onto it at the car repair shop?
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; pen and paper are "efficient infringement"
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; and "piracy"
09:34 highest_cubist_thrills; we need pencil rights management
09:34 DaemonFC; If it's for a certain type of car, then shouldn't it be programmed at the factory?
09:34 highest_cubist_thrills; people who do math at home
09:34 DaemonFC; Maybe it has generic software and they have to load the correct setting into it for that particular car.
09:34 highest_cubist_thrills; have no appreciation for the hard word and dedication
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; of thousands of human computers working tirelessly at desks
09:35 DaemonFC; I don't know who would eat Nyquil chicken.
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09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; people who have spent their careers rechecking their sums by hand
09:35 DaemonFC; Even when I'm really sick, I'll still eat Taco Bell, so that's what I go grab.
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; so some snot-nosed kid who cant even find a derivative
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; can go and...
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; they dont care if mathematicians are out of work
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; for them, every equation is just "marks on paper"
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah well, someone had to figure out those marks
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; and if you stop paying them
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; then theyll stop figuring out math for us
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; is that what you want
09:37 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Community Service for writing proprietary software.
09:37 DaemonFC; It's dumbing people down, obviously.
09:37 mjg59_; Uh huh
09:37 DaemonFC; Nyquil Chicken TikTok Challenge.
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; you wouldnt download a calculator
09:37 mjg59_; That's pretty clearly not what you meant
09:38 DaemonFC; You know, if they delete TikTok and tell them to go do their fucking math homework, things like this wouldn't happen.
09:38 DaemonFC; Parents act like the kid gets a cell phone from nowhere.
09:38 TR News; "Great Transition Initiative" https://overpopulation-project.com/the-natural-synergy-between-population-stabilization-and-reproductive-rights/ | Source: Overpopulation
09:38 TR Bot; The Natural Synergy between Population Stabilization and Reproductive Rights - The Overpopulation Project
09:39 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> That's pretty clearly not what you meant
09:39 DaemonFC; Did you infer that I meant something by Nyquil chicken?
09:40 DaemonFC; Oh no, no. That would be something like Dr. Pizza fucked up.
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09:40 TR News; "The 1835 Treaty of New Echota, which was signed by then-President Andrew Jackson" https://www.axios.com/2022/09/22/cherokee-nation-launches-campaign-to-congress | Source: Axios
09:40 TR Bot; Cherokee Nation launches campaign for delegate in Congress
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09:40 DaemonFC; I'm sure you're not like the rest of those Microsoft people at all.
09:41 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], My browser remembered that I looked at Dr. Pizza's Twitter and recommends him every time I go to order pizza now.
09:41 DaemonFC; I really need to fix that.
09:41 TR News; "Amanpour pointed out that no previous presidents had requested this when she interviewed them outside Iran." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63000854 | Source: BBC
09:41 TR Bot; CNN cancels interview with Iranian president over headscarf demand - BBC News
09:43 TR News; "Canal+ Group, the Vivendi-owned French TV group, has won its court case against TF1" https://variety.com/2022/digital/global/canal-court-case-tf1-carriage-dispute-1235380658/ | Source: Variety
09:43 TR Bot; Wins Court Case Against TF1 in Carriage Fees Dispute - Variety
09:43 DaemonFC; <highest_cubist_thrills> you wouldnt download a calculator
09:43 DaemonFC; Oh but I would......
09:44 DaemonFC; If I needed to, that is.
09:44 TR News; [Old] "This report confirms that DRM represents a challenge to privacy interests" https://cippic.ca/sites/default/files/CIPPIC_Report_DRM_and_Privacy.pdf |
09:44 TR News; Digital Restrictions (DRM): "Collier will oversee advertising sales and content for Rokus owned-and-operated channels" https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/charlie-collier-exits-fox-corp-roku-1235380667/ | Source: Variety
09:44 TR Bot; Collier Exits Fox Corp. to Join Roku as President of Media - Variety
09:45 TR News; "The standard caught on, all software supports it, the patents are dead." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/will-jpeg-xl-be-the-jpeg-replacement-weve-been-waiting-30-years-for/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
09:45 TR Bot; Will JPEG-XL be the JPEG replacement weve been waiting 30 years for? | BaronHK's Rants
09:46 DaemonFC; I wouldn't download a Microsoft calculator. They explain that they can't do square roots correctly because their high precision math library is being used.
09:46 DaemonFC; :)
09:46 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
09:46 TR News; "Effective immediately, Getty Images will cease to accept all submissions created using AI" https://app.engage.gettyimages.com/e/es?e=11409471&elq=ffb9ca1a980a43f29bb0563b4f8b5f27 |
09:46 TR Bot; Important Submission Requirements Update re: AI Generated Content
09:46 TR News; "The U.S. recorded music industry generated $7.69 billion during 2022s opening half" https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/21/music-industry-us-revenue-h1-2022/ | Source: Digital Music News
09:46 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/21/music-industry-us-revenue-h1-2022/ )
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09:47 DaemonFC; How does the record industry make money?
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> schestowitz[TR], My browser remembered that I looked at Dr. Pizza's Twitter and recommends him every time I go to order pizza now.
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; did he tip him?
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; or "only the tip"?
09:48 DaemonFC; 15% or 20%?
09:48 DaemonFC; Or is this one of those hipster places where it's a $40 pizza and recommends a 50% tip?
09:48 DaemonFC; mjg59_ probably goes to those.
09:48 DaemonFC; People get it there.
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; get what?>
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; the tip?
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; or tip-off?
09:49 DaemonFC; Maybe. He was very non-specific.
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; conde nast pays salary
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; drpizza buys sex
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; from kids
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; little kids
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; then pastes some email he got from microsoft
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; then gets back to being busy with kids
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft: better carry on or else!
09:51 TR News; (NEW): UbuntuDDE Remix 22.04 Brings the Deepin Desktop Environment to Ubuntu 22.04 LTS http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/UbuntuDDE_Remix_22_04_Brings_the_Deepin_Desktop_Environment.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/UbuntuDDE_Remix_22_04_Brings_the_Deepin_Desktop_Environment.gmi
09:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines UbuntuDDE Remix 22.04 Brings the Deepin Desktop Environment to Ubuntu 22.04 LTS
09:52 DaemonFC; Why is it that people grow into adulthood and still have the eating habits of a child? Is it mostly pervy people that do this?
09:52 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Man one day you're complaining that I don't tip enough, the next you're saying I habitually frequent places that ask for large tips
09:52 mjg59_; Make your mind up
09:52 DaemonFC; John only ate pizzas and ravioli out of a can.
09:52 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Make your mind up
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; we never ordered food home
09:52 DaemonFC; No, I said it recommended the tip.
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; we do this 'stupid' thing called cooking
09:53 DaemonFC; Yeah, I'll be boiling a cabbage for a casserole tomorrow.
09:53 DaemonFC; I could eat cabbage basically every day. It's one of my favorite vegetables.
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; cost-efficient
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; |"crunchy salad"
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; we just had vegan cheese with reddish
09:54 DaemonFC; I actually pressure cook cabbages after the cooktop disaster at the motel.
09:54 DaemonFC; The vegan cheese has gotten a lot better than it used to be.
09:55 DaemonFC; You can still taste a difference, but Taco Bell tried "vegan cheese" in the 90s and it was a marketing disaster.
09:55 DaemonFC; It didn't melt properly. It was weird.
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; it can be fried OK
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; we got it quarter price
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; and lots of them
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; better post daily links now... got enough
09:57 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Just lean over into the microphone and tell the gerbil it can't go to college.
09:57 DaemonFC; (South Park)
09:58 DaemonFC; Time for bed. (past time, really)
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10:05 TR News; (NEW): BSD: EuroBSDcon 2022, OpenBSD, FreeBSD http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/BSD_EuroBSDcon_2022_OpenBSD_FreeBSD.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/BSD_EuroBSDcon_2022_OpenBSD_FreeBSD.gmi
10:05 TR Bot; Tux Machines BSD: EuroBSDcon 2022, OpenBSD, FreeBSD
10:05 TR News; (NEW): Open Hardware/Modding: Kits and Technical Resource Collections http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Open_Hardware_Modding_Kits_andTechnical_Resource_Collections.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Open_Hardware_Modding_Kits_andTechnical_Resource_Collections.gmi
10:05 TR Bot; Tux Machines Open Hardware/Modding: Kits and Technical Resource Collections
10:06 TR News; "There was a time when soft drinks only came in six-packs of twelve-ounce bottles in the grocery store" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/23/where-has-all-the-water-gone-check-the-grocery-store/ | Source: Counter Punch
10:06 TR Bot; Has All the Water Gone? Check the Grocery Store. - CounterPunch.org
10:07 TR News; "When you have the cloud around you, you are toxic" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/23/10-ways-the-left-is-vulnerable-to-cancellation-campaigning-and-how-we-might-overcome-this-tendency/ | Source: Counter Punch
10:07 TR Bot; Ways the Left is Vulnerable to Cancellation Campaigning and How We Might Overcome This Tendency - CounterPunch.org
10:09 TR News; "It's that time of the year again, and NodeConf EU is almost upon us. This annual event is one of the leading Node.js events in Europe. It brings together contributors and innovators from the Node.js community to deliver a wide range of talks and workshops." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/09/23/join-red-hat-team-nodeconf-eu-2022
10:09 TR Bot; Join the Red Hat team at NodeConf EU 2022 | Red Hat Developer
10:10 TR News; Reproducible Builds (diffoscope): diffoscope 222 released https://diffoscope.org/news/diffoscope-222-released/
10:10 TR Bot; diffoscope 222 released
10:10 scientes; ///IBM Team/////
10:12 scientes; International Business Fedoras
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; Imperialism Business Framework
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; now with offshoots
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; like GAFAM
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; subsidised by taxpayers
10:18 scientes; schestowitz, consdering that they didn't pay me for work they accepted, that sounds correct
10:18 scientes; schestowitz, except that the tax base in the US is irrelevent
10:18 scientes; all money comes from stealing from foreign accounts
10:18 scientes; via the FATCA for example
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; that too
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; but also "investment";
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; like KSA
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; we let them terrorise the region
10:19 scientes; and the Azor battalion
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; and they "invest" in "Bay Area"
10:19 scientes; and Venezuela
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; and "Silican Valley"
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; *con
10:19 scientes; schestowitz, more like invest in the "Butt Area"
10:19 scientes; or the Bumm Area
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; there are bums there
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; homeless
10:19 scientes; considering how many bums are in that city
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; it's expensive to live there
10:19 scientes; Bums and Butts
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; after all those decades
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/01/linux-foundation-mission-creep/
10:19 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation Has Formally Changed Its Mission! (Based on IRS Files) | Techrights
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; you could say Gay Area
10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
10:20 scientes; when I got financed to present in San Jose for the LLVM conference I slept next to the river
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; like Canal Street in Manchester
10:20 scientes; <schestowitz[TR]> you could say Gay Area
10:20 scientes; the vagina is only 1.5 inches from the butt-hole
10:20 scientes; so its all sort of the same area
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/linux-foundation-has-moved/
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; photos
10:21 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Has Moved to More Expensive Offices, Based on IRS Papers | Techrights
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; 6 million a year
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; for "ofice"
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; 6 million
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10:21 scientes; they need to look more important than they are
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; office for less than 100 people
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; scientes: yes, like lawyers
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; so they can charge $300 an hour
10:21 scientes; while Linus is complaining about how many bums are in Portland, and that he is considerin moving back to Finland
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; to make photocopies of papers
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; mundane work
10:22 schestowitz[TR]; scientes: did he openly complains about it?
10:22 schestowitz[TR]; if so, I missed it
10:22 schestowitz[TR]; my sister lives there
10:22 scientes; it was an interview at the start of 2021
10:22 TR News; (NEW): Security Issues and Proprietary Software http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Security_Issues_and_Proprietary_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Security_Issues_and_Proprietary_Software.gmi
10:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Issues and Proprietary Software
10:22 scientes; yeah, he was like "it totally sucks here, everything is falling apart unless you are rolling in $$$$$ like me"
10:23 schestowitz[TR]; he must be living in a nice gated area
10:23 scientes; lots of armed penguins
10:23 scientes; in go-karts
10:23 schestowitz[TR]; lol
10:23 schestowitz[TR]; and spud guns
10:24 scientes; don't forget GNU and Bestie
10:24 scientes; that game is pretty fun actually
10:24 scientes; the mario 64 knock-off
10:25 scientes; schestowitz, it is just that I have installed internet to endless "walled" compounds
10:25 scientes; and they don't have any more to provide services to those hay-houses, let alone security
10:25 scientes; *money
10:26 scientes; if you want something that can be secured build some of these 10-story soviet apartments
10:27 scientes; and add a basement in case they start doing what they are doing in ukraine to you
10:27 schestowitz[TR]; :(
10:27 schestowitz[TR]; it's part of the design
10:27 schestowitz[TR]; not bricks
10:27 scientes; (not that the US can't build stuff roughly like that, except that those elevators are quite durable)
10:27 schestowitz[TR]; metal, concrete
10:28 scientes; never seen anything quite designed for resiliance as those
10:28 schestowitz[TR]; east berlin looks like it
10:28 scientes; and good ventilation
10:28 scientes; in Georgia there were no building codes, and people would add bathrooms with no ventilation, which would rot the whole thing to the ground with mildew in a few years
10:28 scientes; but not so the old soviet buildings
10:29 schestowitz[TR]; british homes are nice, but many move to apartments
10:29 schestowitz[TR]; even terraced is ok
10:29 schestowitz[TR]; garden, view..
10:30 scientes; schestowitz, especially when the banks still grandma's house :)
10:30 scientes; *steal
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; terraced facing terraced sucks... no view of the sky
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; yes, well, living costs went uuup
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; many old widows sell the house back to the bank
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; reverse mortgage
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; remortgage
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; sellout
10:30 scientes; and once the enclosure movement got to its logical end (except crown lands) they had to invent more things to steal
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; so they never own anything
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; just temporarily
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; lived and die just to work
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; while gaining nothing
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; paid a tax for food and shelter
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; while the oligarchs truck wheelbarrows of money to remote island s
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; except digitally
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; not many queen faces
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; while siccing cops at us
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; if we resist
10:32 scientes; www.rusemb.org.uk
10:32 scientes; yeah the banner is still up
10:32 scientes; the Russian national who was found dead, and they didn't bother to tell the embassy
10:32 scientes; <schestowitz[TR]> while the oligarchs truck wheelbarrows of money to remote island s
10:32 scientes; schestowitz, you forget they declared Iceland a terrorist state
10:33 scientes; so that they could steal all Iceland's money
10:34 scientes; they being the UK parliament
10:34 scientes; the place with all the forms of democracy but no actual democracy
10:34 scientes; schestowitz, when I tried to view the new PM's address to parliament I faced "rights" problems---more like "self-righteouss problems", FTFY.
10:36 scientes; https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/7166
10:36 TR Bot; Embassys comment on the UKs Ministry of Defence statement concerning the clearing of Ukrainian ports of Russian mines, 29 August, 2022
10:36 TR News; (NEW): Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Preview http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Apple_Preview.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Apple_Preview.gmi
10:36 TR Bot; Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Preview
10:37 scientes; UK claims that Odessa's mines are Russian, when, in fact, they were added by the coup in Ukraine to avoid a landing by Sea of any forerign army
10:37 scientes; be it Turkish, Russian Federation, or Georgian
10:40 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
10:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
10:45 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Android_Leftovers.gmi
10:45 scientes; https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/7162
10:45 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
10:45 TR Bot; Embassy comment on hostile actions by YouTube, 16 August, 2022
10:45 scientes; Facebook also banned Naturei Karti, the anti-Zionist Jewish group
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; "anti-Zionist" or non-zionist?
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; not the same thing
10:52 scientes; anti-Zionist
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; "anti-Zionist" can mean elimination of Israel as a country
10:52 scientes; because Israel dominating Judaism is toxic
10:52 scientes; nononono, not that
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, FB is all about control
10:52 scientes; I never friended my mother, but then I found myself friended to her, and an eagle posted on her wall
10:52 scientes; which she did not post
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10:53 scientes; so I have a homosexual predator who can do anything on Facebook
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10:53 scientes; so considering that, Russia banning Facebook, which is very agressive in South America with fascist corruption, is no loss at all
10:54 scientes; and also, facing the police stealing from me in Batumi based on interactions I had on Facebook
10:54 scientes; and beating me up, et cetera
10:54 scientes; man, what a fascist place
10:55 scientes; going to the hotel where i stayed the night, and threatening them that they have to raise the price
10:55 scientes; sooooooo much fascism
10:56 TR News; "The share of working-age Americans who have a job or are looking for one is at 62.4 percent" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/22/the-non-mystery-of-a-smaller-labor-force/ | Source: Counter Punch
10:56 scientes; don't believe anything like that
10:56 TR Bot; Non-Mystery of a Smaller Labor Force - CounterPunch.org
10:57 scientes; there is no work in the US and hasn't been for my whole life
10:57 scientes; there is just jobs in government, and other jobs in government
10:57 scientes; and then another strike at the hospital
10:58 TR News; "reporting on the downhill turn of U.S. life expectancy isfertile ground for the emergence of press bias" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/22/press-coverage-of-declining-us-life-expectancy-evades-the-truth/ | Source: Counter Punch
10:58 TR Bot; Coverage of Declining US Life Expectancy Evades the Truth - CounterPunch.org
10:58 scientes; maybe it is because the sooner you die the less you cost?
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 17.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 134.06
11:03 schestowitz[TR]; they want you to die when you stop working
11:03 schestowitz[TR]; because people high up in the system cannot use you anymore
11:03 schestowitz[TR]; you become "burden"
11:03 schestowitz[TR]; pension age rises
11:03 schestowitz[TR]; while people die younger
11:03 schestowitz[TR]; so the surplus from exploiting the labour pool increases
11:03 schestowitz[TR]; and fattens the p;hat cats faster
11:03 schestowitz[TR]; so they can show off to their friends about their "wealth" and "success"
11:04 TR News; "We lived in Eritrea from 2006 to 2021 and saw first hand the rapid rate of water conservation" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/22/preventing-climate-disaster-in-africa-eritrea-leads-the-way/ | Source: Counter Punch
11:04 TR Bot; Climate Disaster in Africa: Eritrea Leads the Way - CounterPunch.org
11:04 TR News; Nixons Famous Price Freeze Did Stop Inflation https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/22/nixons-famous-price-freeze-did-stop-inflation/ | Source: Counter Punch
11:04 TR Bot; Famous Price Freeze Did Stop Inflation - CounterPunch.org
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11:13 TR News; "After a copyright blunder led to a major boost for the horror genre" https://torrentfreak.com/youtubers-lose-brains-over-night-of-the-living-dead-copyright-claims-220922/ | Source: Torrent Freak
11:13 TR News; "Nearly a quarter of all U.S. households believe that piracy is justified" https://torrentfreak.com/movie-music-piracy-acceptable-to-a-growing-number-of-u-s-households-220922/ | Source: Torrent Freak
11:13 TR Bot; Lose Brains Over Night of The Living Dead Copyright Claims * TorrentFreak
11:13 TR Bot; & Music Piracy Acceptable to a Growing Number of U.S. Households * TorrentFreak
11:14 TR News; "inflation coverage" https://fair.org/home/weve-incentivized-corporations-to-go-after-this-price-gouging-strategy/ | Source: FAIR
11:14 TR Bot; 'We've Incentivized Corporations to Go After This Price-Gouging Strategy' - FAIR
11:14 TR News; "In 2019, the Supreme Court of the United States resolved a long-running lawsuit over asset forfeiture." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/21/ohio-supreme-court-says-theres-nothing-wrong-with-cops-seizing-a-31000-truck-over-an-850-criminal-offense/ | Source: Techdirt
11:15 TR Bot; Supreme Court Says Theres Nothing Wrong With Cops Seizing A $31,000 Truck Over An $850 Criminal Offense | Techdirt
11:15 TR News; Journalism Competition and Preservation Act (JCPA) is AGAINST journalism and against the Web https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/22/klobuchars-link-tax-is-back-and-somehow-even-worse-helps-trumpist-grifters-get-free-money-no-moderation-from-google/ | Source: Techdirt
11:15 TR Bot; Link Tax Is Back And Somehow Even Worse? Helps Trumpist Grifters Get Free Money & No Moderation From Google | Techdirt
11:16 TR News; Iran shutters mobile networks, Instagram, WhatsApp amid protests - The Record by Recorded Future https://therecord.media/iran-shutters-mobile-networks-instagram-whatsapp-amid-protests/ Source: The Record | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//therecord.media/iran-shutters-mobile-networks-instagram-whatsapp-amid-protests/
11:16 TR Bot; Iran shutters mobile networks, Instagram, WhatsApp amid protests - The Record by Recorded Future
11:17 TR News; "As protests continue over the death of a woman in police custody in Iran, access to Instagram and WhatsApp has been blocked." https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2022/09/22/iran-shuts-down-whatsapp-and-instagram-as-protests-spread/
11:17 TR Bot; Iran Shuts Down WhatsApp And Instagram As Protests Spread
11:18 TR News; Mozilla urges action to unpick platform browser lock-ins https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/22/mozilla-browser-research/ Source: TechCrunch | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//techcrunch.com/2022/09/22/mozilla-browser-research/
11:18 TR Bot; urges action to unpick platform browser lock-ins TechCrunch
11:19 TR News; ItsFOSS helps Microsoft propaganda. Appalling. Anti-Linux. https://news.itsfoss.com/systemd-wsl/ see http://techrights.org/2022/09/21/ubuntu-windows-systemd/
11:19 TR Bot; Systemd is Now Available in WSL
11:19 TR Bot; Official Ubuntu Blog Has Just Promoted Microsoft Windows+Systemd | Techrights
11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
11:21 TR News; Microsofters deflecing the blame, as usual https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-exchange-servers-hacked-via-oauth-apps-for-phishing/
11:21 TR Bot; Microsoft Exchange servers hacked via OAuth apps for phishing
11:21 TR News; Python does not value backward compatibility. Good reason to avoid Python. https://archlinux.org/news/removing-python2-from-the-repositories/
11:21 TR Bot; Arch Linux - News: Removing python2 from the repositories
11:22 TR News; This week we can see which "FOSS" or "Linux" sites are 'fakes'. They help Microsoft ATTACK GNU/Linux by boosting "WSL" (Windows).
11:23 TR News; Now OPENLY and OFFICIALLY taking corporate money https://www.phoronix.com/news/Premium-2022-Autumn-Reminder
11:23 TR Bot; The Phoronix Premium Autumn Sale Is On - Phoronix
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11:40 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
11:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
11:40 TR News; (NEW): Mozilla Lobbying and Firefox 105 on POWER http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Mozilla_Lobbying_and_Firefox_105_on_POWER.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Mozilla_Lobbying_and_Firefox_105_on_POWER.gmi
11:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines Mozilla Lobbying and Firefox 105 on POWER
11:40 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_leftovers.gmi
11:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
11:40 TR News; (NEW): Free Software: PowerDNS Recursor, Kubernetes, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Free_Software_PowerDNS_Recursor_Kubernetes_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Free_Software_PowerDNS_Recursor_Kubernetes_and_More.gmi
↺ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Free_Software_PowerDNS_Recursor_Kubernetes_and_More.shtml
11:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines Free Software: PowerDNS Recursor, Kubernetes, and More
11:42 TR News; Links 23/09/2022: EuroBSDcon 2022 Ahead, PowerDNS Recursor 4.5.11, 4.6.4 and 4.7.3 Out | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/23/eurobsdcon-2022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/23/eurobsdcon-2022/
11:42 TR Bot; Links 23/09/2022: EuroBSDcon 2022 Ahead, PowerDNS Recursor 4.5.11, 4.6.4 and 4.7.3 Out | Techrights
11:44 MinceR; 23 050554 < DaemonFC> Did they implement JPEG wrong just to spite the user, like they did for MP3?
11:44 MinceR; maybe it's just their usual incompetence
11:44 MinceR; "what could possibly go wrong if the user short-circuits the antenna by holding the device? derp, i dunno."
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12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
13:31 MinceR; https://www.darthsanddroids.net/solo/solo164.html
13:31 TR Bot; Darths & Droids
13:33 scientes; <scientes> => 0x00030eec <+916>: udf #65006 ; 0xfdee
13:35 MinceR; parse error
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14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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14:44 MinceR; https://www.darthsanddroids.net/solo/solo199.html
14:44 TR Bot; Darths & Droids
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14:59 TR News; Florida https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/22/florida-officially-asks-supreme-court-to-review-its-social-media-content-moderation-law/ | Source: Techdirt
14:59 TR Bot; Officially Asks Supreme Court To Review Its Social Media Content Moderation Law | Techdirt
15:00 TR News; Cellebrite https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/22/cellebrite-accidentally-leaked-thousands-of-sensitive-documents-during-handover-to-japanese-corporate-partner/ | Source: Techdirt
15:00 TR Bot; Accidentally Leaked Thousands Of Sensitive Documents During Handover To Japanese Corporate Partner | Techdirt
15:00 TR News; Police surveillance https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/san-franciscos-board-supervisors-grants-police-more-surveillance-powers | Source: EFF
15:00 TR Bot; San Franciscos Board of Supervisors Grants Police More Surveillance Powers | Electronic Frontier Foundation
15:02 TR News; Astro Pi https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/astro-pi-mission-zero-2022-23-is-open/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
15:02 TR Bot; Astro Pi Mission Zero 2022/23 is open for young people - Raspberry Pi
15:03 TR News; The broadband swindle https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/22/cable-giant-charter-will-pay-1-1-billion-after-tech-murders-elderly-customer/ | Source: Techdirt
15:03 TR Bot; Giant Charter Will Pay $1.1 Billion After Tech Murders Elderly Customer | Techdirt
15:06 TR News; Minneapolis https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/22/new-data-from-the-bureau-of-prisons-indicates-bail-reform-wont-make-americans-less-safe/ | Source: Techdirt
15:06 TR Bot; Data From The Bureau Of Prisons Indicates Bail Reform Wont Make Americans Less Safe | Techdirt
15:07 TR News; "Utility data has historically provided a detailed picture of what occurs within a home." https://www.eff.org/press/releases/lawsuit-smud-and-sacramento-police-violate-state-law-and-utility-customers-privacy | Source: EFF
15:07 TR Bot; Lawsuit: SMUD and Sacramento Police Violate State Law and Utility Customers Privacy by Sharing Data Without a Warrant | Electronic Frontier Foundation
15:07 TR News; "The persecution of Julian Assange is a window into the collapse of the rule of law" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/22/the-chris-hedges-report-julian-assanges-father-on-looming-extradition-and-imperative-of-mass-resistance/ | Source: Scheerpost
15:07 TR Bot; Chris Hedges Report: Julian Assanges Father on Looming Extradition and Imperative of Mass Resistance scheerpost.com
15:17 TR News; Screwing workers https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/22/lives-are-line-its-time-national-paid-leave-policy | Source: Common Dreams
15:17 TR Bot; Opinion | Lives Are on the Line: It's Time for a National Paid Leave Policy | Vicky Badillo
15:19 TR News; Better just boycott Starbucks. They will get the message only if impacted financially. https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/unionizing-starbucks/ | Source: The Nation
15:19 TR Bot; Unionizing Starbucks | The Nation
15:19 TR News; "92 percent of Italians say their top concern is rising energy prices." https://www.thenation.com/article/world/italy-election-meloni-far-right/ | Source: The Nation
15:19 TR Bot; Fascists, Neofascists, and Postfascists: Italys Unreal Election Debate | The Nation
15:20 TR News; "You Strike So You Dont Quit" https://www.thenation.com/article/society/nurses-strikes-minnesota-michigan/ | Source: The Nation
15:20 TR Bot; You Strike So You Dont Quit: Across the Country, Nurses Are Fighting Overwork | The Nation
15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
15:20 MinceR; (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/nMeBa21.mp4
15:22 TR News; The inflation https://www.thenation.com/article/society/america-sacrifice-zones-inflation/ | Source: The Nation
15:22 TR Bot; No, America Doesnt Actually Need Sacrifice Zones | The Nation
15:22 TR News; Listen to this whistleblower https://thedissenter.org/military-whistleblower-pentagons-warrantless-purchase-internet-data/ | Source: The Dissenter
15:22 TR Bot; Whistleblower Objects To Pentagon Purchases Of Browsing Data
15:24 TR News; Would he live to see it? https://truthout.org/video/trumps-latest-legal-peril-threatens-to-bring-down-his-new-york-empire/ | Source: TruthOut
15:24 TR Bot; Trumps Latest Legal Peril Threatens to Bring Down His New York Empire
15:24 TR News; And boycott starbucks to send a message of solidarity to starbucks slaves https://truthout.org/articles/unionized-boston-starbucks-workers-celebrate-win-after-64-day-strike/ | Source: TruthOut
15:24 TR Bot; Unionized Boston Starbucks Workers Celebrate Win After 64-Day Strike
15:26 TR News; China is Capitalist https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/22/china-is-capitalist/ | Source: Counter Punch
15:26 TR Bot; is Capitalist - CounterPunch.org
15:33 TR News; Tips for the bachelors degree? gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/09/23/tips-for-bachelors-thesis/
15:34 TR News; "These digital or digitally-enabled cultures, like tildes, are no less real and no less important to our lives and the health of the future. They must be cared for." gemini://tilde.team/~tomasino/journal/20220923-roophloch.gmi
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15:35 TR News; "I am not a fan of politics, never have been. I don't like reading about it, hearing about it, seeing about it. Thats because people aren't interested in genuine heartfelt discussion and idealogical compromise, theyre interested in pointing fingers, playing with scapegoats and strawmen." gemini://tilde.team/~smokey/logs/2022-09-23-politics.gmi
15:36 TR News; FHIOSTU Wordo: VAPID gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-09-23.gmi
15:37 TR News; OpenHEYHI https://hackaday.com/2022/09/22/openai-hears-you-whisper/ | Source: Hackaday
15:37 TR Bot; Hears You Whisper | Hackaday
15:39 TR News; Better Scope Measurements https://hackaday.com/2022/09/22/better-scope-measurements/ | Source: Hackaday
15:39 TR Bot; Scope Measurements | Hackaday
15:45 TR News; "U.S. military will start spending the more than $800 billion" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/22/war-spending-climate-emergency-grows-global-nightmare | Source: Common Dreams
15:45 TR Bot; Opinion | War Spending Like This as the Climate Emergency Grows Is a Global Nightmare | Stan Cox
15:51 MinceR; https://www.darthsanddroids.net/solo/solo210.html
15:51 TR Bot; Darths & Droids
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16:25 TR News; "While we have a definite sweet spot in our hearts for analog radio" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/22/simple-internet-radio-transplant/ | Source: Hackaday
16:25 TR Bot; Internet Radio Transplant | Hackaday
16:27 TR News; The inflation is a residue of the long-term looting https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/22/fed-rate-hikes-wont-tackle-corporate-profiteering-behind-inflation-experts-tell | Source: Common Dreams
16:27 TR Bot; Fed Rate Hikes Won't Tackle the Corporate Profiteering Behind Inflation, Experts Tell Congress
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16:31 MinceR; https://www.darthsanddroids.net/solo/solo214.html
16:31 TR Bot; Darths & Droids
16:34 TR News; "The true measure of engineering success or, at least, one of them is how long something remains in use." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/22/a-love-letter-to-small-design-teams-and-the-b-52/ | Source: Hackaday
16:34 TR Bot; Love Letter To Small Design Teams, And The B-52 | Hackaday
16:35 TR News; "[Debasish Dutta] has designed a few weather stations in the past, and this, thefourth version of the system" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/22/hackaday-prize-2022-solar-powered-lora-weather-station-for-the-masses/ | Source: Hackaday
16:35 TR Bot; Prize 2022: Solar Powered LoRa Weather Station For The Masses | Hackaday
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16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 149.63
17:05 TR News; Proprietary https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/BIGCOMMERCE-HOLDINGS-INC-110417697/news/Meet-the-New-Release-of-ODBC-Driver-for-BigCommerce-with-macOS-and-Linux-Support-41842806/
17:05 TR Bot; the New Release of ODBC Driver for BigCommerce with macOS and Linux Support | MarketScreener
17:19 TR News; It is proprietary, it is spyware, but then again so is this OS. What an awful trend... if people were to adopt it https://chromeunboxed.com/how-to-install-visual-studio-code-on-a-chromebook/
17:19 TR Bot; How-to install Visual Studio Code on a Chromebook
17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
17:27 TR News; Chris Titus Tech boosting Microsoft Proprietary Prison GitHub. Still a Microsofter at heart. GitHub is an attack on Git and, by extension, on Free software.
17:30 TR News; Chromecast with Google TV (HD) features Amlogic S805X2 CPU with AV1 video support https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/23/chromecast-with-google-tv-hd-amlogic-s805x2-cpu-av1-video/
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17:30 TR Bot; Chromecast with Google TV (HD) features Amlogic S805X2 CPU with AV1 video support - CNX Software
17:32 TR News; Wayland still sucks. Even its principal pusher, ICBM, cannot make it work. https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2022/09/19/is-wayland-really-a-future-of-desktop/
17:32 TR Bot; Is Wayland really a future ofdesktop? Marcin Juszkiewicz
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17:32 TR News; "All this talk about types, objects, and systems, got me to thinking, "what would it take to create a 100% backwards-compatible pure Perl proof-of-concept for optionally typable subroutine signatures". I mean really, how hard could it be?" http://blogs.perl.org/users/al_newkirk/2022/09/my-perl-weekly-challenge.html
17:32 TR Bot; Perl Weekly Challenge | AWNCORP [blogs.perl.org]
17:33 techuser; there is no future
17:33 TR News; Chris Titus: "You are Using GitHub WRONG!" Reality: You are using GitHub, WHICH IS WRONG!
17:34 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: there is
17:34 schestowitz[TR]; maybe you read the wrong forum
17:34 schestowitz[TR]; or speak to the wrong people
17:34 techuser; GitHub is using you
17:34 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
17:34 techuser; things will only get worse indefinitely
17:34 schestowitz[TR]; but it will shrink in relative share
17:34 schestowitz[TR]; over time
17:34 techuser; until society self-destructs
17:34 schestowitz[TR]; maybe for ukraine in the coming year
17:34 techuser; maybe not completely
17:35 schestowitz[TR]; we have a chance
17:35 schestowitz[TR]; if people stop having kids or have a lot fewer
17:35 schestowitz[TR]; and tven then we need to wait 1-2 generations for rebalancing
17:35 schestowitz[TR]; maybe 3 generations
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17:41 TR News; The END is near for the Steam Deck... reservation queue. (Plus other Steam Deck news) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WKx5-SHvyLQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/WKx5-SHvyLQ
17:41 TR Bot; The END is near for the Steam Deck... reservation queue. (Plus other Steam Deck news) - Invidious
17:42 schestowitz[TR]; price of energy and food = humans competiting for scarcer resources
17:42 schestowitz[TR]; and currencies deflated
17:42 schestowitz[TR]; uk pound has just collapsed
17:42 schestowitz[TR]; due to the bankster
17:42 schestowitz[TR]; and policies that favour the rich again
17:42 schestowitz[TR]; they have all the lobbyists
17:43 TR News; 69: EVGA Says No More To Nvidia - A New Player Enters The GPU Market - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/hardware-addicts/ha-69/ Source: Tux Digital | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tuxdigital.com/podcasts/hardware-addicts/ha-69/
17:43 TR Bot; EVGA Says No More To Nvidia & A New Player Enters The GPU Market - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital
17:44 TR News; "Alex is replacing his Chromecast and Google Nest Mini with an open-source solution, and why were all getting a little hyped about Matter." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/self-hosted/80/
17:44 TR Bot; Solving Whole Home Audio | Jupiter Broadcasting
17:47 TR News; Can reflections in eyeglasses actually leak info from Zoom calls? Here's a study into it https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/17/glasses_reflections_zoom/
17:47 TR Bot; Lens reflections may betray your secrets in Zoom video calls The Register
17:47 TR News; Private Eye: On the Limits of Textual Screen Peeking via Eyeglass Reflections in Video Conferencing https://arxiv.org/abs/2205.03971 Source: arXiv | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//arxiv.org/abs/2205.03971
17:47 TR Bot; [2205.03971] Private Eye: On the Limits of Textual Screen Peeking via Eyeglass Reflections in Video Conferencing
17:48 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: hand in there, be among the survivors. 15 years ago they said gnu/linuix was doomed due to novell, microsoft, patents
17:48 schestowitz[TR]; but it has grrrown a lot since
17:48 schestowitz[TR]; yesterday at work someone called our support line
17:48 schestowitz[TR]; not for tech support
17:48 schestowitz[TR]; but someone suicidal
17:48 schestowitz[TR]; a colleague picked up the call
17:49 schestowitz[TR]; that was US
17:49 schestowitz[TR]; lots of youths there is hopeless
17:49 schestowitz[TR]; I read that tiktok is creating this sentiment
17:49 schestowitz[TR]; maybe that's china playing psy-ops on rival nations, who knows...
17:50 TR News; Kubernetes 101 for developers: Names, ports, YAML files, and more | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/30/kubernetes-101-developers-names-ports-yaml-files-and-more#kubernetes_rolling_updates
17:50 TR Bot; Kubernetes 101 for developers: Names, ports, YAML files, and more | Red Hat Developer
17:51 TR News; Qt for Android Automotive 6.3.2 is released https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.3.2-is-released Source: Qt | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.3.2-is-released
17:51 TR Bot; Qt for Android Automotive 6.3.2 is released
17:53 TR News; Top 5 Best Call forwarding Apps for Android Devices in 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-call-forwarding-apps-for-android-devices/
17:53 TR Bot; Top 5 Best Call forwarding Apps for Android Devices in 2022
17:55 TR News; GNU/Linux bloggers who wish to promote GNU/Linux to Windows users should introduce them to VirtualBox, NOT WSL!!! WSL is actively and intentionally attacking GNU/Linux.
17:56 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
17:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
17:56 TR News; (NEW): PeerTube 4.3 Free Video Platform Is Out with New Functionalities http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/PeerTube_4_3_Free_Video_Platform_Is_Out_with_New_Functionalitie.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/PeerTube_4_3_Free_Video_Platform_Is_Out_with_New_Functionalitie.gmi
17:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines PeerTube 4.3 Free Video Platform Is Out with New Functionalities
17:56 TR News; "As promised in the previous edition of FOSS Weekly, we have created a crossword for you. This one is focused on various desktop environments and window managers." https://news.itsfoss.com/foss-weekly-22-35/
17:56 TR Bot; FOSS Weekly #22.35: Linux Crossword, EuroLinux, GNOME 43, Files and Directories
17:58 TR News; Fedora Community Blog: CPE Weekly Update Week 38 2022 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-38-2022/
17:58 TR Bot; CPE Weekly Update - Week 38 2022 Fedora Community Blog
17:58 TR News; Pipelines for cloud-native network functions (CNFs) Part 2: Pipelines for lifecycle management https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/pipelines-cloud-native-network-functions-cnfs-part-2-pipelines-lifecycle-management Source: Red Hat Official | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/en/blog/pipelines-cloud-native-network-functions-cnfs-part-2-pipelines-lifecycle-management
17:58 TR Bot; Pipelines for cloud-native network functions (CNFs) Part 2: Pipelines for lifecycle management
17:59 TR News; ICBM shilling clown computing as RoI... yeah, Africans selling their own to slavery was good "RoI" too https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/questions-ask-investing-new-technologies
17:59 TR Bot; 4 questions IT leaders should ask before investing in new technologies | The Enterprisers Project
18:01 TR News; 600: Use NIR backend by default (!18753) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18753?commit_id=6be7c2ef51ecdc97cb366f2d5b706629d33777d7
18:01 TR Bot; r600: Use NIR backend by default (!18753) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
18:03 MinceR; (cat) https://apina.biz/40020.jpg?mode=sfw
18:03 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/40020.jpg
18:08 TR News; [PATCH v4 00/25] RSEQ node id and virtual cpu id extensions - Mathieu Desnoyers https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220922105941.237830-1-mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com/
18:08 TR Bot; [PATCH v4 00/25] RSEQ node id and virtual cpu id extensions - Mathieu Desnoyers
18:09 TR News; "It should be the last drm-misc-next PR for 6.1" https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2022-September/373293.html
18:09 TR Bot; [PULL] drm-misc-next
18:09 TR News; intel/nir/rt: ray query fixes (!17396) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17396
18:09 TR Bot; intel/nir/rt: ray query fixes (!17396) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
18:10 TR News; Phoronix marketing spam: "Solidigm kindly provided the 1TB and 2TB units as review samples for testing at Phoronix. They provided two of the 1GB drives, which will be interesting for a Linux RAID follow-up benchmarking article." https://www.phoronix.com/review/solidigm-p41-plus
18:10 TR Bot; P41 Plus NVMe SSD Review - Phoronix
18:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:33 TR News; "I have built EasyOS 4.4, for final testing, and tested it on some of my small collection of computers. Unfortunately, get a black screen on one of the computers." https://bkhome.org/news/202209/limine-412-black-screen.html
18:33 TR Bot; Limine 4.1.2 black screen
18:34 TR News; "With an abundance of hardware and software available, it has never been easier to create a working prototype. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a prototype is worth a thousand meetings" https://ubuntu.com//blog/iot-project-lifecycle-efficient-prototyping-with-snaps-and-ubuntu-core-part-i
18:34 TR Bot; Project Lifecycle: Efficient prototyping with Snaps and Ubuntu Core [Part I] | Ubuntu
18:34 TR News; (NEW): #HowTo Fix: sudo Command Not Found Error http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/How_to_Fix_sudo_Command_Not_Found_Error.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/How_to_Fix_sudo_Command_Not_Found_Error.gmi
18:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines How to Fix: sudo Command Not Found Error
18:36 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> we do this 'stupid' thing called cooking <- i think targeting the kitchen toolchain is uninteresting, just use openmcdonalds
18:36 highest_cubist_thrills; pots and pans are old
18:37 TR News; Lox365 extension: XLOOKUP (and more) for LibreOffice Calc https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/09/23/lox365-extension-xlookup-and-more-for-libreoffice-calc/
18:37 TR Bot; Lox365 extension: XLOOKUP (and more) for LibreOffice Calc - The Document Foundation Blog
18:38 TR News; Google Analytics (GULAG malware) is illegal https://www.datatilsynet.dk/english/google-analytics/use-of-google-analytics-for-web-analytics
18:38 TR Bot; Press release: Use of Google Analytics for web analytics
18:39 TR News; Open Web Search https://openwebsearch.eu/
18:39 TR Bot; Open Web Search Promoting Europe's Independence in Web Search Funded by the Horizon Europe Programme
18:40 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22081546
18:40 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/pvfq020yeph91.jpg created on 2022-08-15 18:04:18.108062
18:41 TR News; "rms has led the free software movement for 40 years. his asset is his flaw. he is stubborn. extremely stubborn. absolutely unwilling to deviate, admit fault, change, or back down." https://j3s.sh/thought/drones-run-linux-free-software-isnt-enough.html
18:41 TR Bot; jes post
18:43 TR News; Ten challenges for Rust https://www.ncameron.org/blog/ten-challenges-for-rust/ Source: ncameron | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ncameron.org/blog/ten-challenges-for-rust/
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18:43 TR Bot; Ten challenges for Rust
18:43 highest_cubist_thrills; /me has another gob of ghost pepper saunce (theres no salt but they allegedly added pepper) and cant believe how tame they made it
18:44 highest_cubist_thrills; thi isnt machismo. they really did put a "hint" of ghost pepper but most rando hot sauces are spicier
18:44 highest_cubist_thrills; and it does not say mild. this sauce is a fraud
18:44 TR News; Photography for geeks https://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/photo_basics/ Source: coredump | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lcamtuf.coredump.cx/photo_basics/
18:44 TR Bot; Photography for geeks
18:45 highest_cubist_thrills; points for no added sodium (not marketed as such) and i never get the ones that are high in salt, so this is a fair comparison
18:45 TR News; We Spoke With the Last Person Standing in the Floppy Disk Business https://eyeondesign.aiga.org/we-spoke-with-the-last-person-standing-in-the-floppy-disk-business/ Source: eyeondesign | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//eyeondesign.aiga.org/we-spoke-with-the-last-person-standing-in-the-floppy-disk-business/
18:45 TR Bot; We Spoke With the Last Person Standing in the Floppy Disk Business Eye on Design
18:47 highest_cubist_thrills; its healthy, its even tasty, the one thing it isnt is hot
18:51 TR News; KDE 5.26 beta, GNOME 43, and New Snap Store - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=51bxcMiMEj4 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/51bxcMiMEj4
18:51 TR Bot; KDE 5.26 beta, GNOME 43, and New Snap Store - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious
18:52 TR News; How to Build an Awesome Kubernetes Cluster using Proxmox Virtual Environment - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=U1VzcjCB_sY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/U1VzcjCB_sY
18:52 TR Bot; How to Build an Awesome Kubernetes Cluster using Proxmox Virtual Environment - Invidious
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18:53 highest_cubist_thrills; you got truth in my advertising!
18:53 highest_cubist_thrills; you got advertising in my truth!
18:54 highest_cubist_thrills; /me throws it in the bin and inspects the mcnuggets
18:54 TR News; "Python 2 reached EOL in 2020, so Arch's devs reduced the apps that used it to the point it is now entirely removed from the distro's repos." https://linuxiac.com/arch-linux-removed-python-2-from-its-repositories/
18:54 TR Bot; Python 2 Is No Longer Part of the Arch Linux Repositories
18:55 TR News; Planned obsolescence in software, too. Bad design. https://lwn.net/Articles/909226/
18:55 DaemonFC; Oh, and she was wrong that I've never programmed anything. I learned BASIC when I was a child. It was obsolete even then, though.
18:55 TR Bot; Linux drops Python 2 [LWN.net]
18:55 DaemonFC; However it was very very simple to use, and it remains usable with Free implementations on modern operating systems.
18:56 TR News; Fedora Community Blog: Fridays Fedora Facts: 2022-38 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-38/ "286 are awaiting a reviewer ... 778 packages fail to build from source"
18:56 TR Bot; Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-38 Fedora Community Blog
18:56 DaemonFC; Many versions of it let you embed machine code, of course.
18:57 DaemonFC; You only have to learn the machine's native code to the extent that you'll be using it, otherwise you can remain with BASIC.
18:57 TR News; ICBM acts as if its goal is to kill ALL GNU/Linux distros, including its own, except RHEL. Then sell expensive 'support'.
18:58 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=kMXBJW1PuU8
18:58 TR Bot; Jump In the Line - Invidious
18:58 DaemonFC; The Commodore works like this. Parts of Microsoft's BASIC for the Commodore are so much slower than native code that you pretty much have to either use it or accept that your application will slow down by an unacceptable amount.
18:59 MinceR; turbo pascal was better than basic
18:59 MinceR; c++ is better than any pascal
18:59 DaemonFC; mjg59_ should harass Piers Anthony.
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 46.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 144.56
18:59 MinceR; who will pay him for that?
18:59 DaemonFC; That guy has a book series full of puns.
18:59 DaemonFC; Some are bordering on homophobic, but I liked his books.
18:59 DaemonFC; Especially the wizard, "Fair E. Nuff".
19:00 TR News; (NEW): Red Hat and Fedora Family http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Red_Hat_and_Fedora_Family.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Red_Hat_and_Fedora_Family.gmi
19:00 TR Bot; Tux Machines Red Hat and Fedora Family
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; <MinceR> who will pay him for that?
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; Social JustUS Inc.
19:01 TR News; (NEW): Videos: KDE 5.26, Steam Deck Waiting Line, Proxmox, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Videos_KDE_5_26_Steam_Deck_Waiting_Line_Proxmox_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Videos_KDE_5_26_Steam_Deck_Waiting_Line_Proxmox_and_More.gmi
19:01 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: KDE 5.26, Steam Deck Waiting Line, Proxmox, and More
19:03 TR News; futex2 at Linux Plumbers Conference 2022 | tony is coding https://andrealmeid.com/post/2022-09-22-lpc22/ Source: Andr Almeida | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//andrealmeid.com/post/2022-09-22-lpc22/
19:03 TR Bot; futex2 at Linux Plumbers Conference 2022 | tony is coding
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; turbo pascal was better than basic <- youre doing it wrong
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; program okboomer;
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; begin
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; turbo pascal was better than basic
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; end.
19:04 MinceR; ew
19:05 highest_cubist_thrills; i know
19:05 highest_cubist_thrills; /me never did pascal
19:05 highest_cubist_thrills; i tried getting into it
19:06 highest_cubist_thrills; its like the boy band of programming languages. but it has some merits, i object to it on aesthetical grounds (and this is from someone who liked basic)
19:06 highest_cubist_thrills; but really i just couldnt get into it
19:07 highest_cubist_thrills; if you want power, you can do better. if you want ease, you can find easier. if you want to have fun, dont use pascal.
19:07 highest_cubist_thrills; but if you have fun with pascal, hey, have fun.
19:07 TR News; (NEW): Stupid Simple App to create Light & Dark Wallpapers in GNOME http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Stupid_Simple_App_to_create_Light_Dark_Wallpapers_in_GNOME.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Stupid_Simple_App_to_create_Light_Dark_Wallpapers_in_GNOME.gmi
19:07 TR Bot; Tux Machines Stupid Simple App to create Light & Dark Wallpapers in GNOME
19:07 highest_cubist_thrills; /me tries to imagine someone actually enjoying it, but cant relate at all
19:08 highest_cubist_thrills; im quite sure it has merits, they just dont fit together into a package that makes much sense to me
19:08 TR News; Zen sand garden in a suitcase doubles as MIDI controller | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/23/zen-sand-garden-in-a-suitcase-doubles-as-midi-controller/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/23/zen-sand-garden-in-a-suitcase-doubles-as-midi-controller/
19:08 TR Bot; Zen sand garden in a suitcase doubles as MIDI controller | Arduino Blog
19:08 MinceR; i object to both basic and pascal on aesthetical grounds
19:08 MinceR; also to cobol and ruby
19:08 TR News; (NEW): Marcin 'hrw' Juszkiewicz on Wayland and Andr Almeida on futex2 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Marcin_hrw_Juszkiewicz_on_Wayland_and_Andre_Almeida_on_futex2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Marcin_hrw_Juszkiewicz_on_Wayland_and_Andre_Almeida_on_futex2.gmi
19:08 TR Bot; Tux Machines Marcin 'hrw' Juszkiewicz on Wayland and Andr Almeida on futex2
19:08 highest_cubist_thrills; object pascal
19:08 MinceR; and to lua
19:08 AdmFubar; you weren't supposed to actually program in pascal, it was supposed to be used to teach good programming practices.
19:08 MinceR; object pascal is just pascal
19:08 MinceR; well, it failed at that
19:08 TR News; Lisp macros are magical https://blog.steve.fi/lisp_macros_are_magical.html Source: Steve Kemp | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.steve.fi/lisp_macros_are_magical.html
19:09 TR Bot; Lisp macros are magical
19:09 highest_cubist_thrills; i know i was "i object to both basic and pascal"
19:09 highest_cubist_thrills; object basic
19:09 MinceR; lol
19:09 highest_cubist_thrills; and to lua <- lua is probably the most relevant of these now
19:09 TR News; TPF launches merch store for Perl 5 | dean [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/09/tpf-launches-merch-store-for-perl-5.html Source: Perl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/09/tpf-launches-merch-store-for-perl-5.html
19:09 TR Bot; launches merch store for Perl 5 | dean [blogs.perl.org]
19:09 highest_cubist_thrills; the last real basic was qb64, and i think it jumped the shark
19:10 highest_cubist_thrills; any popular basic will always abandon its own purpose, because it invariably gets taken over by gamers who want to turn it into yet another gamebasic
19:10 highest_cubist_thrills; what sucks about that is then you never see the potential for creating anything but games with it
19:10 highest_cubist_thrills; so if you dont want to do a game, you learn javascript instead.
19:10 highest_cubist_thrills; so basically, candy cigarettes are a gateway to heroin overdose.
19:10 TR News; Connection to Linux? ZERO! Why cover this? "Thanks to Rakoit for sending us the Arylic S50 Pro+ for todays audio test." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/23/review-arylic-s50-pro-wireless-stereo-pre-amplifier/
19:10 TR Bot; Review of Arylic S50 Pro+ wireless stereo pre-amplifier - CNX Software
19:11 MinceR; lol
19:11 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: I post so much in #techpol, and ye are not there %).
19:11 highest_cubist_thrills; no, but its too bad there isnt an application basic, apart from the caveat that...
19:11 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean
19:11 highest_cubist_thrills; and ye are not there %) <- well first of all, i still admire your politics (or respect them anyway) and so im flattered that it matters even enough to mention it
19:12 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think #techpol is anything but a netsplit (the concept is fine, the implementation is buggy) but my objections are entirely self-serving
19:12 highest_cubist_thrills; in fact, if i thought about what i REALLY want, i should just cheer on the netsplit.
19:12 highest_cubist_thrills; /me fiddles while rome burns
19:12 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: It has a lot of flamewar stuff going on.
19:13 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah but now youve safely contained it.
19:13 highest_cubist_thrills; let me know when starstreak starts chatting there, shes my favourite
19:13 highest_cubist_thrills; until then my heart belongs only to mincer
19:14 highest_cubist_thrills; apart from the caveat that... <- what i mean is, i liked basic enough to use mostly that for a quarter of a century
19:14 highest_cubist_thrills; with all its limitations
19:14 TR News; Proprietary spam/puff piece disguised as journalism https://containerjournal.com/features/d2iq-extends-reach-of-kubernetes-management-platform/
19:14 MinceR; no, your heart belongs to you
19:14 MinceR; you need it
19:14 MinceR; it circulates blood in your body
19:14 MinceR; without it, you would die
19:14 TR Bot; D2iQ Extends Reach of Kubernetes Management Platform - Container Journal
19:15 highest_cubist_thrills; i most certainly explored (dozens of) derivatives, new features and ideas
19:15 highest_cubist_thrills; basic never adds the necessary ("necessary") data types, and when it does it adds them in a way i can only describe as sadistic
19:15 highest_cubist_thrills; the closest youll ever get to a basic that has modern features that are WELL INTEGRATED is python 2
19:15 TR News; Microsoft moles in Linux kernel, destroying POSIX https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/91c21f32-cc6f-2c2e-ebf7-d1d738090aef@paragon-software.com/
19:15 highest_cubist_thrills; and thats why when i finally left basic behind, it was for python 2
19:15 TR Bot; [PATCH 0/2] fs/ntfs3: Add option "nocase" and refactoring - Konstantin Komarov
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; python 2 is not maintained, as they beam from billboards in neon lighting
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; on behalf of google and microsoft
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; but pypy 2 IS.
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; its all the python 2 anyone needs-- most would say even more than that.
19:16 DaemonFC; Wasn't there a fork of Python 2?
19:16 MinceR; lisp is better anyway
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; python 3 is not a language, its a webapi like rust
19:17 MinceR; it's a pity i was not taught to program using SICP
19:17 highest_cubist_thrills; raku is probably stable, but perl 7, mark my words, will be like rust and python 3 this way
19:17 highest_cubist_thrills; the only problem with stuff like sicp
19:17 TR News; (NEW): Mabox September 2022 ISO refresh http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Mabox_September_2022_ISO_refresh.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Mabox_September_2022_ISO_refresh.gmi
19:17 TR Bot; Tux Machines Mabox September 2022 ISO refresh
19:17 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean its not, for those who pick it up themselves.
19:17 TR News; Valves Lawrence Yang and Pierre-Loup Griffais Interview with Japanese Media: "We dont consider the Nintendo Switch to be a competitor" - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/valves-lawrence-yang-and-pierre-loup-griffais-interview-with-japanese-media-we-dont-consider-the-nintendo-switch-to-be-a-competitor/ Source: Boiling Steam
19:17 TR Bot; Valve's Lawrence Yang and Pierre-Loup Griffais' Interview with Japanese Media: "We don't consider the Nintendo Switch to be a competitor" - Boiling Steam
19:17 highest_cubist_thrills; then its harmless
19:18 highest_cubist_thrills; programming is best learned at the same time as reading and writing. of this im quite convinced
19:18 XRevan86; 1. Python 2 has actual webapi; 2. Raku is indeed stable but not best performing; 3. Perl 7 is basically Perl 5.
19:18 highest_cubist_thrills; woz says its impossible. pretty rediculous when theres 80s footage in canada of classrooms that prove hes full of shit
19:18 highest_cubist_thrills; Python 2 has actual webapi <- no no no no no no no
19:18 highest_cubist_thrills; i MEAN
19:18 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt matter that it has web interface
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; when i say "webapi"
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean that if youre not connected to the web, rust falls apart.
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; sure, you can use it offline
19:19 DaemonFC; MinceR, I got my $100 Prickster Bucks from the STATE OF ILL.
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; but you cant develop without staying current on it
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; because its too unstable
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; theres an element of hyperbole
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; if you take the hyperbole away, then you miss an important antifeature of rust.
19:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; python 3 does it too, but its easier to demonstrate with rust, where its even more egregious
19:20 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Python 3 has PIP, Python 2 had PIP there's no difference.
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; stability USED TO BE a feature
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; Python 3 has PIP, Python 2 had PIP there's no difference. <- this is like saying that steve jobs has a black turtleneck, so if bill gates dons a black turtleneck, now he is steve jobs.
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont even know what even.
19:21 MinceR; how did stability change in python?
19:21 MinceR; afaik basically they just added stuff every now and then, noted which version added it
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; python 2 was stable (but not as much as it could have been)
19:21 MinceR; then they overhauled the language with 3
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; thats fair
19:21 MinceR; and then they resumed the above
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; then they overhauled the language with 3 <- yeah, they hauled it over a cliff
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; "overhauled"
19:21 XRevan86; MinceR: They dropped distutils, but arguably that's not really part of the language.
19:21 MinceR; they made new-style objects the default, made print into a function, added nonlocal (which is great)
19:22 TR News; Microsoft-funded 'analyst': "If we normalize projects baiting developers with an open source license to gain traction and switching to a non-open source license to monopolize the returns on that traction, then the logical next step for investors will be skipping that first step entirely." https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/09/23/dead-end/
19:22 TR Bot; The Dead End tecosystems
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; there are long and technical diatribes talking about whats wrong with python 3 i could never compete with. but they werent my influence, i came to this first-hand (that sounds wrong)
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; they only corroborated what i already knew
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; and added to it
19:22 MinceR; the things i'm aware of have nothing to do with stability per se
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19:22 XRevan86; And because it's installation, it's the safest thing to break there is.
19:23 MinceR; the greatest issue is that van Rossum sold his soul to the redmond mafia
19:23 XRevan86; Which so far hasn't affected Python as a language.
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> the things i'm aware of have nothing to do with stability per se <- while its not technically necessary, i think it helps to rely on something before you can tell how much stability it really loses
19:23 MinceR; and the other issue is that python3 forces unicode in contexts where you can't really depend on unicode-compliant strings
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; and people who love shit changing all the time dont care, so they always say "its fine imo"
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; only people who actually value stability are affected.
19:23 DaemonFC; MinceR, Well, there's opportunity costs to dealing with Python. Maybe you actually really love it and then it changes and breaks.
19:24 MinceR; but you still haven't told me what changed
19:24 TR News; LLVM prioritises proprietary garbage, it's also owned, controlled, hosted by MICROSOFT PROPRIETARY PRISON https://www.phoronix.com/news/LLVM-Apple-M2-Target
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; thats why this debate will never go anywhere
19:24 TR Bot; M2 Support Added To Upstream LLVM Along With The A15, A16 - Phoronix
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; that one stop me from moaning about it
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; but you still haven't told me what changed <- well
19:24 DaemonFC; Or maybe you're like me, where you got some programming manuals at the thrift store and said "Oh joy, what luck!".
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; getting back to what i valued about python 2 (for purposes of answering that question)
19:24 DaemonFC; And if it was C, it would have still worked, but people were dumping their Python 2 books because they don't work anymore.
19:24 MinceR; DaemonFC: i stopped using dead trees to learn proglangs ages ago
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; python 2 was an easier language.
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; python 3 deprecated so many things that were simple
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; not a few things!
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; more like loads of very simple things.
19:24 TR News; "For example, we are working with Google to run Steam on Chrome OS. A prototype version of the software has already been released." https://boilingsteam.com/valves-lawrence-yang-and-pierre-loup-griffais-interview-with-japanese-media-we-dont-consider-the-nintendo-switch-to-be-a-competitor/
19:25 TR Bot; Valve's Lawrence Yang and Pierre-Loup Griffais' Interview with Japanese Media: "We don't consider the Nintendo Switch to be a competitor" - Boiling Steam
19:25 highest_cubist_thrills; i know you want a list of concrete examples
19:25 DaemonFC; By the time I learn anything, it's already deprecated.
19:25 MinceR; my transitional period was printing out Bruce Eckel's "Thinking in C++" in a highly compressed form (something like font size 5 and many columns)
19:25 MinceR; and reading it all
19:25 highest_cubist_thrills; im not as hardcore a nerd as you. its COOL that you can list features that way
19:25 highest_cubist_thrills; but what i will say is
19:25 DaemonFC; My Web site declared it was HTML 3.2, but it used deprecated HTML 2.0 features where I felt they made more sense.
19:25 highest_cubist_thrills; things that could be done "in roughly this much text" or less
19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; have increased in length and complexity (too often, not always) in python 3
19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; by as much as 50% or more
19:26 DaemonFC; Making things simple is more important than making them to the latest standards. It's not like browsers won't retain a Compatibility Mode.
19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; that does answer your question-- it simply doesnt provide examples.
19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; its abstract, but its what im complaining about.
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19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; google didnt want such a simple language
19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; i can understand that
19:26 MinceR; i guess i stopped with python3 too soon to really see these large numbers of deprecations
19:26 MinceR; or started too late
19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; what bothers me is teh deprecated the simple version
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; i had similar complaints about the css gestapo
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; when html4 became THE HOT NEW THING
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; html was childs play
19:27 MinceR; and it was an open standard
19:27 schestowitz[TR]; now css does ANIMATIONS
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; now, finally, it can be a corporate mess of bloat and popups
19:27 schestowitz[TR]; of course MOST browsers do NOT support that
19:28 schestowitz[TR]; it also does IMAGE EDITING
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; css made some improvements
19:28 MinceR; html5 is "bend the knee to MPEG LA and Big Content"
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; they could have made those to html instead of making a SECOND mandatory language
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; on top of the first
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; now there are three problems
19:28 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Python 3 makes things easy like asyncio.
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; xrevan86: well that doesnt help me at all
19:29 highest_cubist_thrills; /me would love to fork python 2 and make it simpler and easier to maintain
19:29 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: It's perfect to make something simple and concurrent.
19:29 highest_cubist_thrills; lets put aside the practicality of that long enough to... something
19:29 highest_cubist_thrills; xrevan86: your concept of perfection may be a little more complex than anything im hoping for
19:29 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Like if ye want to make an IRC bot, ye should take Python 3 if ye value your time.
19:29 highest_cubist_thrills; any languge can be made more complex
19:30 DaemonFC; mjg59_ would probably say writing Opus in ANSI C makes Jean Marc-Valin a transphobe because it is possible to compile and use it now, even on Windows 95 or OS/2 Warp, or Classic Mac OS when if he'd only written it in Rust, there would be current operating systems it either didn't work in at all (no rust compiler) or where it had lots of bizarre issues (because the port to that OS or arch of rust are extremely bad).
19:30 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Is an IRC bot that complex of a thing?
19:30 DaemonFC; I still use Windows 95 programs.
19:30 highest_cubist_thrills; it can be
19:30 highest_cubist_thrills; whats it written in
19:30 DaemonFC; One of them has an Opus codec compiled to work on Windows 95, but I use it in Wine.
19:30 MinceR; y tho
19:30 DaemonFC; Because I'm being a hipster.
19:31 DaemonFC; Get out of my room dad! I'm using SeaMonkey and Winamp 2.95 in here!
19:31 DaemonFC; If you open that door, you have no idea what you'll see!
19:31 highest_cubist_thrills; when i talk about python, i always state the reason i feel like i do. then we get into details, or start to.
19:31 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: For instance, a title fetcher like TechrightsBot-tr should be concurrent or else it can get stuck on a title until timeout hits.
19:31 DaemonFC; :)
19:31 highest_cubist_thrills; then, the very reason i feel this way-- stated in the first place-- is thrown out
19:31 highest_cubist_thrills; and im given the reasons OTHER PEOPLE HAVE for liking it instead
19:31 highest_cubist_thrills; im aware that people have reasons for liking python 3.
19:31 MinceR; it should have short enough timeouts for that not to happen anyway
19:32 MinceR; getting a title half an hour late isn't really helpful
19:32 highest_cubist_thrills; its obvious, its a very popular language.
19:32 DaemonFC; mjg59_ says people should be able to use the software they want. If Opus was even written in a more modern form of C, I wouldn't be able to use it the way I want.
19:32 highest_cubist_thrills; if you throw out the very premise of my argument though
19:32 highest_cubist_thrills; youre never going to understand what i think is missing from python 3.
19:32 DaemonFC; If it was written in Rust, bye bye BSDs and half the architectures.
19:32 highest_cubist_thrills; youll make an argument for the changes
19:32 highest_cubist_thrills; but you wont actually get the answer to your question.
19:32 MinceR; a title bot shouldn't be intensive enough to be relevant for performance hacks anyway
19:33 MinceR; the ircd would kick it off long before that with Excess Flood :>
19:33 DaemonFC; So long, Solaris.
19:33 highest_cubist_thrills; whats missing from modern programming, imo
19:33 DaemonFC; I doubt anyone is going to port Rust to OpenIndiana.
19:33 highest_cubist_thrills; is the early years
19:33 DaemonFC; It doesn't even have USB 3.0
19:33 highest_cubist_thrills; you could probably teach python 2 to 3rd graders.
19:33 MinceR; i'd miss USB3 much more than rust
19:33 DaemonFC; So Rust creates a lot of problems for users.
19:33 MinceR; you could teach python3 to the same
19:33 highest_cubist_thrills; you can teach python 3 to 3rd graders but it will be more uphill
19:33 highest_cubist_thrills; more suvering
19:33 MinceR; the basics of the language are the same
19:33 highest_cubist_thrills; suffering
19:33 DaemonFC; What if I want to use Windows 95 software along with SeaMonkey on OpenIndiana Hipster?
19:33 highest_cubist_thrills; the basics of the language are the same
19:34 highest_cubist_thrills; <- mmmmmmmmmm... idk
19:34 DaemonFC; And Rust interferes with using the software the way I want it?
19:34 XRevan86; MinceR: True, but what if title fetching is just one of the functions that bot serves?
19:34 DaemonFC; mjg59_ doesn't consider this.
19:34 highest_cubist_thrills; but that was only half of my point
19:34 highest_cubist_thrills; you could teach basic to first graders.
19:34 MinceR; if anything, print being a function is more consistent with the rest of the language
19:34 XRevan86; MinceR: Then even a little hold-up will make it laggy.
19:34 MinceR; XRevan86: there are many ways to handle that
19:34 DaemonFC; Security Theater Boot probably stops OpenIndiana from booting to begin with.
19:34 highest_cubist_thrills; and teaching coding basics to first graders is better than making 3rd graders struggle with what used to be easier
19:35 DaemonFC; So mjg59_ would call you a transphobe for turning it off to make your choice of OS work.
19:35 MinceR; :>
19:35 XRevan86; MinceR: That aren't parallelism?
19:35 DaemonFC; You chose wrong. Try again!
19:35 MinceR; XRevan86: spawning extra processes is parallelism
19:35 MinceR; presumably relying on poll() isn't
19:35 XRevan86; MinceR: But here's a catch: this is *harder* to do than asyncio.
19:36 MinceR; is it?
19:36 XRevan86; MinceR: Absolutely.
19:36 highest_cubist_thrills; 14:10 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0Ttw9ks05G4 <- this isnt possible with python
19:36 MinceR; splitting it into separate bots is easier than asyncio though :>
19:36 TR Bot; Episode 6: Computer Languages - Invidious
19:36 highest_cubist_thrills; with python-based logo, sure
19:36 DaemonFC; mjg59_ Free Software Definition. Freedom 0: The Freedom to run any program Microsoft signs. Freedom 1: A computer may not harm a human being or allow a human being to come to harm unless and until ordered by Microsoft through a dbx update.
19:36 DaemonFC; And so on....
19:36 MinceR; lol
19:37 highest_cubist_thrills; is easier than asyncio though <- mincers point actually supports what im saying
19:37 highest_cubist_thrills; some things are easier
19:37 highest_cubist_thrills; for beginners, making things more difficult is not a benefit usually
19:37 highest_cubist_thrills; ive also seen what happens to people who start in the middle
19:37 highest_cubist_thrills; they make more progress at first, then hit a wall where they feel they dont understand anything thats going on
19:37 highest_cubist_thrills; some make it past the wall, others give up forever
19:38 highest_cubist_thrills; you can fix this i think, by going back to the foundations of coding
19:38 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: For beginners there is no difference.
19:38 MinceR; logo can be implemented in any turing-complete language
19:38 highest_cubist_thrills; we can argue about what the foundations are, because abstractions are useful and abstractions can be argued (misleadingly) as non-foundational
19:38 highest_cubist_thrills; but thats unfair because all the "new foundations" are also abstractions
19:38 highest_cubist_thrills; so this objection is a double standard
19:39 DaemonFC; DaemonFC's position on mjg59_ "Up your nose with a rubber hose, pal." "Go jump in the lake." "Go climb a tree". "Enjoy the simple things in life, such as a marriage license." "COVID will get you some other way than standing in line at the County Clerk's office." "Good evening, gentlemen. Life is short. Make your time."
19:39 highest_cubist_thrills; highest_cubist_thrills: For beginners there is no difference. <- well, them im simply going to say youre wrong.
19:39 highest_cubist_thrills; because you are.
19:39 highest_cubist_thrills; the evidence, the results, are different
19:39 highest_cubist_thrills; and you say theres no difference.
19:39 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure youre 100% in theory and you can prove it too
19:39 highest_cubist_thrills; its just not reality.
19:40 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Provide an example of a lesson for a beginner that would be harder in Python 3.
19:40 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the wrong question, and ill explain why.
19:40 highest_cubist_thrills; "a lesson" wont do anything.
19:40 highest_cubist_thrills; and it misses the point.
19:40 highest_cubist_thrills; try five lessons.
19:41 highest_cubist_thrills; five lessons in python 3, or why not 15,
19:41 highest_cubist_thrills; are going to be more of a struggle in python 3
19:41 highest_cubist_thrills; because youre going to start hitting tedious shit fast
19:41 MinceR; what tedious shit?
19:42 highest_cubist_thrills; /me didnt have enough coffee for this
19:42 highest_cubist_thrills; /me thinks
19:42 MinceR; "WHO GOES THERE?! ...Hmm, too much coffee this morning."
19:43 highest_cubist_thrills; ive used python 3
19:43 highest_cubist_thrills; not in the past year or two, except for a moment
19:43 highest_cubist_thrills; ive revised a 2000-line program to work in python 3
19:43 highest_cubist_thrills; which isnt SO MUCH but it was the longest program i ever wrote
19:44 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Those who learn Python 3 aren't required to migrate programmes from Python 2.
19:44 highest_cubist_thrills; that was not my point at all
19:44 highest_cubist_thrills; my point was
19:44 MinceR; or even to know about python 2
19:44 frog; both perl and python got issues boot-strapping and/or cross-compilation
19:44 highest_cubist_thrills; i really have to think about python 3, which i rarely use, to answer that
19:44 MinceR; sadly, people are encouraged to forget that python 2 even existed
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; also, im familiar with python 3
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; just not this year.
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; so i have to think back
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; i watch changes being made, being announced
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; so im not entirely in the past
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; but for the purposes of this, i am
19:45 MinceR; none of the subtle stuff is likely to show up in a beginner's course either
19:45 frog; integrated Lua instead, which, formally, passed all bootstrapping/cross/compilation, including static linking... and tcc-toolchain
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; and what i may be struggling with here is
19:45 MinceR; or treatment of different language versions
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; for a beginner, in a lesson
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; 3 and 2 may not be so different
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; basic and python are
19:46 frog; because, i intend to and did remove: python, perl (and GNU buildsystem), and with Lua a script interpreter is available still
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; screen 12: pset (5,5) is NOT NICE in python
19:46 frog; including, integration of it, with vis-editor
19:46 MinceR; and not terribly useful in basic
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; but for a LESSON, for beginners,
19:47 highest_cubist_thrills; then you miss the point of pset entirely
19:47 MinceR; screen is more of an issue
19:47 highest_cubist_thrills; but for a lesson, for beginners, 2 and 3 are not so different
19:47 highest_cubist_thrills; for projects though
19:47 MinceR; since it assumes exclusive control over the screen
19:47 highest_cubist_thrills; 3 will be worse
19:47 MinceR; which is nowadays not often given or desirable
19:47 highest_cubist_thrills; since it assumes exclusive control over the scree <- wait wait wait
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; thats not really
19:48 MinceR; and this doesn't even depend on python2 vs python3
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; screen does not assume exclusive control over the
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; no im talking about basic now
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; obviously
19:48 MinceR; screen sets screen mode
19:48 MinceR; including resolution
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; no
19:48 MinceR; and then usage of pset assumes a particular resolution
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; it did, in dos mode
19:48 MinceR; i know it did
19:48 MinceR; i used it
19:49 highest_cubist_thrills; okay, yeah, so you know what it did, not what it does
19:49 MinceR; but it wouldn't work nicely in a windowing environment
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19:49 highest_cubist_thrills; this whhere facts are not on your side
19:49 highest_cubist_thrills; this can go faster if you let me explain very quickly what pset does in this century.
19:49 MinceR; ok
19:49 highest_cubist_thrills; because the only difference in say pygame...
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19:50 highest_cubist_thrills; is that pygame syntax is way more involved.
19:50 highest_cubist_thrills; first, pset lets you provide coordinates and a colour attribute / palette position
19:50 highest_cubist_thrills; in freebasic you can give actual rgb if you want
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; so psets not limited to attributes but i like attributes for beginner code and other things
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; mtpaint does index colours too
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; or rgb if you like
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; but more importantly pset lets you give x,y
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; and put simply, in dos mode this corresponds to the entire screen.
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; in a window environment, of course
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; like with dosbox or any sdl-based ui
19:52 highest_cubist_thrills; including qb64
19:52 highest_cubist_thrills; pset cannot address the whole screen
19:52 highest_cubist_thrills; 5,5 is relative to the 0,0 in the window, obviously
19:52 MinceR; and how does your program how big the window is?
19:52 MinceR; s/how/know how/
19:52 highest_cubist_thrills; so pset works like any other coordinate based graphics in any modern language
19:53 highest_cubist_thrills; and how does your program how big the window is? <- because languages that use sdl can set the size of the window
19:53 MinceR; coordinate-based graphics isn't done as much as it used to
19:53 MinceR; and what does "screen 12" do?
19:53 highest_cubist_thrills; coordinate-based graphics isn't done as much as it used to <- i mean html has canvas
19:53 highest_cubist_thrills; sdl is coordinate based
19:53 highest_cubist_thrills; i really hink youre asking me to make my argument in an alternative universe that neither of us actually lives in
19:54 highest_cubist_thrills; how does lisp do graphics?
19:54 highest_cubist_thrills; (this is an absurd question, but the circumstances are absurd)
19:54 MinceR; my point is that this looks very much like an approach to graphics that isn't really done all that much anymore
19:54 highest_cubist_thrills; i think youre wrong too
19:54 MinceR; lisp does graphics the way the library you're using does it
19:54 highest_cubist_thrills; coordinates are not passe
19:54 MinceR; they're not passe, but we rarely build UIs in terms of "put a pixel on these coordinates"
19:54 highest_cubist_thrills; i know there are grid layouts
19:55 highest_cubist_thrills; okay
19:55 highest_cubist_thrills; so inkscape uses them.
19:55 highest_cubist_thrills; gimp uses them.
19:55 highest_cubist_thrills; html canvas uses them.
19:55 MinceR; inkscape places more complicated graphic primitives
19:55 highest_cubist_thrills; tablets use them.
19:55 highest_cubist_thrills; the mouse cursor
19:55 MinceR; gimp does use them, sort of
19:55 MinceR; even gimp uses a brush, but you could set it to be a single pixel
19:55 highest_cubist_thrills; anytime you have a mouse cursor and the ability to draw, coordinates are not passe
19:56 highest_cubist_thrills; coordinates dont go away when you use sprites, or brushes
19:56 MinceR; but you don't normally use SCREEN or PSET
19:56 highest_cubist_thrills; pixels do change one at a time-- in reality if not in syntax
19:56 highest_cubist_thrills; no, those are basic commands
19:56 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean circle isnt a single pixel
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; but i used pset as the simplest example
19:57 MinceR; maybe you'd put a canvas in a gui window, ask for its size and then draw something on it
19:57 MinceR; but even that's either doing something special, or teaching something to beginners
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; point is
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; graphics in older languages are more trivial to learn
19:57 MinceR; kind of like turtle graphics
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; the syntax is something a 7-year-old can handle
19:57 MinceR; indeed they are
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; yes!
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; like turtle graphics
19:57 MinceR; because their tasks are much simpler
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; yes!
19:57 MinceR; and the available hardware was also a lot less powerful
19:58 highest_cubist_thrills; so what im saying is
19:58 highest_cubist_thrills; not that more complex languages shouldnt exist
19:58 highest_cubist_thrills; and the available hardware was also a lot less powerful <- this is also why we have unix pipelines
19:58 highest_cubist_thrills; which some people think are passe but i do not
19:58 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre incredibly flexible
19:58 MinceR; well, i'm not an educator, so i wondered where that stuff fits in a beginner's programming course
19:58 highest_cubist_thrills; im not saying python shouldnt exist
19:58 highest_cubist_thrills; im not saying very complex
19:58 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean
19:59 highest_cubist_thrills; im not even against haskell
19:59 highest_cubist_thrills; which is definitely less friendly than python
19:59 highest_cubist_thrills; what im saying is
19:59 MinceR; i consider all pure functional languages to be nothing more than intellectual masturbation
19:59 highest_cubist_thrills; weve lost the ability to EASILY teach real coding to younger people
19:59 DaemonFC; Bitcoin falling to $18,000 is only part of the story.
19:59 highest_cubist_thrills; i consider all pure functional languages to be nothing more than intellectual masturbation <- haskell has real uses, but i dont use it, so my horse in this race is largely hypothetical
19:59 DaemonFC; You get $18,000 Biden dollars if you cash them in.
19:59 highest_cubist_thrills; im only trying to be fair to it
20:00 DaemonFC; Which is really only about $15,000 or so compared to what the USD was worth before he took office last year.
20:00 highest_cubist_thrills; also it clearly values stability in a way that rust-- mocks
20:00 highest_cubist_thrills; and python falls short on
20:00 DaemonFC; So in reality, it's lost over 3/4ths of its dollar value.
20:00 highest_cubist_thrills; and this is a trend that benefits corporations who want to control our computing
20:00 highest_cubist_thrills; but with rust more than any other example so far
20:00 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont like seeing python go in that direction either
20:01 highest_cubist_thrills; making it about it does or it doesnt is less useful imo
20:01 highest_cubist_thrills; i worry about the trend
20:01 highest_cubist_thrills; some people dont count genocide as genocide until everyone is gone
20:01 highest_cubist_thrills; they talk about birth rates in palestine to refute the direction things are moving
20:02 highest_cubist_thrills; there are still jews and native americans-- was there genocide? clearly
20:02 highest_cubist_thrills; so i dont like the direction of python but it couldnt be as bad as rust
20:02 highest_cubist_thrills; because rust is the supreme example
20:02 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd does it too
20:02 highest_cubist_thrills; instability is a feature
20:02 highest_cubist_thrills; the point is to tie people to the developers
20:02 highest_cubist_thrills; its lockin
20:02 highest_cubist_thrills; AH BUT YOU HAVE THE SOURCE and its FREE
20:03 highest_cubist_thrills; so it CANT be lockin (bullshit)
20:03 highest_cubist_thrills; but if the devs break python i have no recourse but to meet their demands
20:03 highest_cubist_thrills; but python 2 is forkable probably
20:03 highest_cubist_thrills; not more than gnome 2
20:03 highest_cubist_thrills; we dont know if gnome 2 is forkable
20:03 MinceR; there's more point to forking python 2
20:03 highest_cubist_thrills; mate is the evidence-- the jury is still out
20:04 highest_cubist_thrills; there's more point to forking python 2 <- id appreciate that if i didnt know it was just your opinion of gnome 2
20:04 highest_cubist_thrills; you think gnome is less worthy than gnome 1. perhaps.
20:04 MinceR; indeed
20:04 highest_cubist_thrills; i think gnome 2 is the last version of gnome thats even possibly worth forking
20:04 highest_cubist_thrills; and to appeal to masses thats worth considering imo
20:04 highest_cubist_thrills; moot of course, if mate dies
20:04 highest_cubist_thrills; do i think mate will survive?
20:05 highest_cubist_thrills; if i knew i wouldnt say jury is still out
20:05 highest_cubist_thrills; it may be unforkable
20:05 highest_cubist_thrills; it would certainly be MORE forkable if it were simpler
20:05 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome 1 was simpler
20:05 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome 1 should be more forkable
20:05 highest_cubist_thrills; but if only 5 people care about gnome 1, and 100 or 200 care about gnome 2
20:05 AdmFubar; bet this will get done on a social media site... https://www.rawstory.com/facebook-whistleblower-launches-nonprofit-to-solve-social-media-harms/
20:05 TR Bot; Facebook whistleblower launches nonprofit to solve social media harms - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism
20:05 highest_cubist_thrills; then mate makes more sense
20:06 highest_cubist_thrills; it may still be unforkable
20:06 highest_cubist_thrills; the thing about gnome is, gnome is based on the idea of you give gnome what it wants
20:06 highest_cubist_thrills; its more trouble to provide gnome with what it wants-- it wants a lot!
20:06 highest_cubist_thrills; so mate manages that for now
20:06 highest_cubist_thrills; in 5 years, what will be left to give mate what it wants? thats the question
20:06 highest_cubist_thrills; can they really keep it going, or will it become impossible
20:06 highest_cubist_thrills; idk
20:07 highest_cubist_thrills; but it should be easier to provide the scaffolding gnome needs
20:07 highest_cubist_thrills; gtk of course, seems relevant here
20:07 highest_cubist_thrills; but im no expert on gnome
20:07 highest_cubist_thrills; if i were going to fork a gui toolkit id fork tk and harfbuzz
20:08 highest_cubist_thrills; right now tk only needs github for libffi like every other gui anything
20:08 highest_cubist_thrills; but im sure tk will become tainted with harfbuzz like everything else (emacs) is
20:08 highest_cubist_thrills; at that point, someone should fork tk and harfbuzz
20:08 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure tk is the most forkable gui toolkit there is
20:08 highest_cubist_thrills; and i wouldnt hate harfbuzz if it wasnt 1. github 2. esfahbod is a traitor besides
20:09 highest_cubist_thrills; like i have nothing technical against it
20:09 MinceR; what's wrong with Tk?
20:09 highest_cubist_thrills; if anything, tk cant do hindi properly.
20:09 MinceR; and what's wrong with harfbuzz?
20:09 highest_cubist_thrills; or some other languages herr sixel doesnt care about
20:09 MinceR; i'm not herr sixel
20:09 MinceR; i'm not afraid of C++
20:09 highest_cubist_thrills; everyting that uses harfbuzz is a hostage of github
20:10 highest_cubist_thrills; and the author of harfbuzz is a stallman backstabber
20:10 highest_cubist_thrills; and i try to boycott those as close to 100% as possible
20:10 highest_cubist_thrills; but i still use tor and recommend gnupg
20:10 highest_cubist_thrills; beacuse you cant really do without gnupg afaik
20:10 highest_cubist_thrills; but i stopped using nano
20:10 MinceR; then harfbuzz should be forked or replaced
20:10 highest_cubist_thrills; and i got rid of ff
20:10 highest_cubist_thrills; 19:10 <MinceR> then harfbuzz should be forked or replaced 19:08 <highest_cubist_thrills> at that point, someone should fork tk and harfbuzz
20:10 highest_cubist_thrills; yes, exactly
20:11 highest_cubist_thrills; and tk should use harfbuzz, but im happy to wait until harfbuzz is forked FIRST
20:11 highest_cubist_thrills; right now its a negative when harfbuzz is added to a project
20:11 highest_cubist_thrills; emacs did that recently
20:11 highest_cubist_thrills; now emacs is a hostage of microsoft
20:11 highest_cubist_thrills; more than before
20:12 MinceR; ideally, Tk would use harfbuzz optionally
20:12 MinceR; it probably does
20:12 highest_cubist_thrills; yes! optionally works too
20:12 highest_cubist_thrills; so you can remove it with nearly zero effort
20:12 highest_cubist_thrills; it probably doe <- i doubt it really
20:12 highest_cubist_thrills; i would proabbly know if it could. but thats no guarantee
20:13 highest_cubist_thrills; i try to follow ALL of this stuff
20:13 highest_cubist_thrills; its not really possible. things will be missed and found out later.
20:13 highest_cubist_thrills; i DO get useful information here sometimes
20:13 highest_cubist_thrills; like starstreak mentioned haiku is a mirror. shes not wrong.
20:13 highest_cubist_thrills; im pretty careful but im human. she was right.
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20:18 highest_cubist_thrills; say the magic word and the duck comes out
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20:20 highest_cubist_thrills; there would be so much less to bitch about
20:20 highest_cubist_thrills; in a world where software was still modular (for real)
20:20 highest_cubist_thrills; and people stopped trying to get you to rewrite everything to suit "bigger" developers
20:20 highest_cubist_thrills; rather than making tools that you can rely on
20:21 highest_cubist_thrills; adding features is okay as long as it doesnt produce bloat that makes projects unforkable and brittle.
20:21 highest_cubist_thrills; breaking features is... the order of the day.
20:21 highest_cubist_thrills; compatibility pairs with lockin on non-free software
20:22 DaemonFC; Or as mjg59_ would say tha Transphobe Kit.
20:22 highest_cubist_thrills; sure they break stuff but they have lockin so they have to make things work together slightly more. slightly.
20:22 DaemonFC; Only a transphobe doesn't want to use GTK.
20:22 highest_cubist_thrills; when they take over free software they have to break more things to simulate lockin
20:22 highest_cubist_thrills; so compatibility becomes less important. slightly.
20:23 highest_cubist_thrills; its a cliche now
20:23 highest_cubist_thrills; but the halloween documents really do predict ALL of this
20:23 highest_cubist_thrills; 20 years old
20:23 highest_cubist_thrills; theyve been working on it for a while.
20:24 DaemonFC; https://www.food.com/recipe/taco-bell-wild-sauce-298543
20:24 TR Bot; Bell Wild Sauce Recipe - Food.com
20:24 DaemonFC; I might have to make this and see if it's similar.
20:25 DaemonFC; I used to pour this on everything at Taco Bell.
20:25 DaemonFC; I used to have them omit the red sauce and just use this inside the bean burrito instead.
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20:58 DaemonFC; "LLVM's optimizer considers undefined behavior a license to kill."
20:58 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22081518
20:58 DaemonFC; It must love C then.
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20:59 DaemonFC; Or Go.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 51.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 149.06
20:59 DaemonFC; Other than having Ken Thompson's name on it, what does Go have....go-ing for it?
20:59 MinceR; nothing
21:00 MinceR; it is both less capable and less established than C++
21:00 DaemonFC; He designed all sorts of programming languages that nobody uses anymore, and so did Dennis Ritchie.
21:00 MinceR; the same applies to rust
21:00 DaemonFC; C has been the sticky language. Everyone says they want rid of it, nobody really does.
21:01 DaemonFC; Some of what makes C sticky is that there's so much software written in C that trying to replace all of it like mjg59_ suggests would cost trillions of dollars at this point.
21:01 DaemonFC; So it's here. It will be here after Rust falls out of favor.
21:01 MinceR; and it will still have a standard, and it will still have several free implementations
21:02 DaemonFC; People who bring in Rust and create bastard Rust and C projects will not be able to salvage what they did in Rust.
21:02 MinceR; rust has neither
21:02 DaemonFC; The only thing Rust will bring to Linux is a substantial loss of dollar value.
21:03 MinceR; Linux is already dying, infecting it with rust will only make it worse and die faster
21:03 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> Linux is already dying, infecting it with rust will only make it worse and die faster <- i have mixed feelings about this
21:04 highest_cubist_thrills; i should cheer on the destruction but it will only make rust stronger, so im technically against it
21:04 AdmFubar; no honor among thieves https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/09/sim-swapper-abducted-beaten-held-for-200k-ransom/
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21:13 starstreak; <MinceR> it is both less capable and less established than C++
21:13 starstreak; C++ is garbage, C is all you need
21:14 highest_cubist_thrills; C++ is garbage, C is all you need <- tries to guess where golang fits here
21:14 highest_cubist_thrills; :>
21:14 starstreak; people might not like Go but C is superior to almost every language
21:15 highest_cubist_thrills; fair enough
21:15 starstreak; C++ is garbage because its object oriented
21:15 highest_cubist_thrills; ahhhhhhhhhh
21:15 highest_cubist_thrills; you dont like oop?
21:16 starstreak; https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/
21:16 TR Bot; C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs!
21:16 starstreak; oop is trash
21:16 highest_cubist_thrills; i was never a fan
21:16 starstreak; https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/OO_programming/
21:16 TR Bot; Object Oriented Programming is Inherently Harmful
21:16 highest_cubist_thrills; but you use python!
21:16 starstreak; i dont use python
21:17 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah, i love python for finally making oop not a cult.
21:17 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean they made python a cult instead
21:17 highest_cubist_thrills; but NOT oop, so
21:17 highest_cubist_thrills; /me weighs hands
21:17 highest_cubist_thrills; almost worth it
21:17 starstreak; is stable diffusion written in python? that might explain why it uses 5-10gb ram
21:17 highest_cubist_thrills; "everything is an object" <- yeah but if they have to TELL you
21:17 highest_cubist_thrills; they must have done something right
21:17 highest_cubist_thrills; is stable diffusion written in python? that might explain why it uses 5-10gb ram <- lol
21:18 highest_cubist_thrills; you know hwy it does
21:20 MinceR; 23 221431 < highest_cubist_thrills> C++ is garbage, C is all you need <- tries to guess where golang fits here
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21:20 MinceR; in the garbage
21:20 MinceR; 23 221740 < highest_cubist_thrills> "everything is an object" <- yeah but if they have to TELL you
21:20 MinceR; does not apply to C++ or python or common lisp
21:20 highest_cubist_thrills; /me doesnt follow
21:21 MinceR; well, in some limited sense, it does apply in common lisp, but it makes little difference
21:21 highest_cubist_thrills; it makes little difference in python too, which is a feature imo
21:21 highest_cubist_thrills; OOP, i did it again
21:22 MinceR; i think there are non-objects in python, i'm not sure
21:27 starstreak; i tried learning to code in C++, Java, Python, C and Golang
21:27 starstreak; i like the syntax of C and Golang the most
21:27 starstreak; Java was the most ridiculous
21:28 highest_cubist_thrills; java is what lennart would do if he wrote python
21:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and thats giving lennart too much credit, but its also giving java too much credit
21:31 MinceR; :>
21:31 MinceR; though apparently not being able to call methods on something doesn't make it not an object in python
21:32 highest_cubist_thrills; im only describing the cult
21:32 highest_cubist_thrills; im not a python guy because i dont BELIEVE
21:33 MinceR; i'm not a $language guy, i've used too many languages for that :>
21:33 highest_cubist_thrills; to me its (was) just a nice language
21:33 highest_cubist_thrills; $language: where is your GOD, now?
21:34 MinceR; i am my god
21:36 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=girW7nTNnMQ
21:36 TR Bot; Sister Act- My God (My Guy) - Invidious
21:43 bnchs; hi
21:43 techuser; hi
21:47 AdmFubar; The Computer Industry Pecking Order
21:47 AdmFubar; Head of a Computer Company:
21:47 AdmFubar; Can Leap tall building in a single bound
21:47 AdmFubar; Is more powerful than a locomotive
21:47 AdmFubar; Is faster than a speeding bullet
21:47 AdmFubar; Can walk on water
21:48 AdmFubar; Is top advisor to God
21:48 AdmFubar; Software Engineer:
21:48 AdmFubar; Can leap over tall building in a few jumps
21:48 AdmFubar; Is about as powerful as a locomotive
21:48 AdmFubar; Runs a dead heat with a speeding bullet
21:48 AdmFubar; Is a good swimmer
21:48 AdmFubar; Is on speaking terms with God
21:48 AdmFubar; Senior Analyst:
21:48 AdmFubar; Can leap buildings with a running start and a good wind
21:48 AdmFubar; Is as powerful as a wagon
21:48 AdmFubar; Hears the bullet pass by
21:48 AdmFubar; Can dog-paddle his way to shore
21:48 AdmFubar; Is generally ignored by God
21:48 AdmFubar; Analyst:
21:48 AdmFubar; Crashes into the third story of the building
21:48 AdmFubar; Is tied down to the railroad tracks
21:48 AdmFubar; Is issued a cap gun and blanks
21:48 AdmFubar; Sinks like a rock
21:48 AdmFubar; Is an atheist
21:48 AdmFubar; Maintenance programmer:
21:48 AdmFubar; Trips over the Welcome mat of buildings
21:48 AdmFubar; Says, Look at the big choo-choo
21:48 AdmFubar; Wets himself with a water pistol
21:48 AdmFubar; Plays in the wading pool
21:48 AdmFubar; Mumbles to himself
21:48 AdmFubar; The Programmer:
21:48 AdmFubar; Crushes tall buildings and wades through the rubble
21:48 AdmFubar; Kicks trains off their tracks
21:48 AdmFubar; Catches bullets with his mouth and eats them
21:48 AdmFubar; Parts water with a wave of his hand
21:48 AdmFubar; HE IS GOD!!!
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21:57 TR News; Software Supply Chain Security Guidance for Developers https://www.esecurityplanet.com/applications/software-supply-chain-security-guidance-for-developers/
21:57 TR Bot; Supply Chain Security Guidance for Developers | eSecurityPlanet
21:58 TR News; A DIY non-contact digital tachometer for machinists | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/23/a-diy-non-contact-digital-tachometer-for-machinists/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/23/a-diy-non-contact-digital-tachometer-for-machinists/
21:58 TR Bot; A DIY non-contact digital tachometer for machinists | Arduino Blog
21:58 TR News; IDEA: Public Imageboard In Gemini gemini://tilde.team/~smokey/logs/2022-09-23-picture-hosting.gmi
22:00 TR News; NMKD, An Easy GUI for the Stable Diffusion AI Art Generator - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8XLEV-FJOhM | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/8XLEV-FJOhM
22:00 TR Bot; NMKD, An Easy GUI for the Stable Diffusion AI Art Generator - Invidious
22:07 TR News; Shared With Me files in KIO GDrive https://eang.it/kio-gdrive-shared-with-me/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//eang.it/kio-gdrive-shared-with-me/
22:07 TR Bot; Shared With Me files in KIO GDrive
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22:18 TR News; Record Excess Deaths in Europe https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/23/record-excess-deaths-in-europe/
22:18 TR Bot; Blog Archive Record Excess Deaths in Europe
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:28 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Security_Leftovers.gmi
22:28 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
22:28 TR News; (NEW): SparkyLinux "LXQt" 6.4 Quick overview http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/SparkyLinux_LXQt_6_4_Quick_overview.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/SparkyLinux_LXQt_6_4_Quick_overview.gmi
22:28 TR Bot; Tux Machines SparkyLinux "LXQt" 6.4 Quick overview
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22:33 TR News; Debian Edu 11.5.0 has been released https://www.skolelinux.de/en/
22:33 TR Bot; Home - Skolelinux Deutschland
22:34 TR News; Debian vote underway https://gwolf.org/2022/09/6237415.html
22:34 TR Bot; Gunnar Wolf 6237415
22:34 TR News; (NEW): This Week in GNOME: #62 Forty-three! http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/This_Week_in_GNOME_62_Forty_three.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/This_Week_in_GNOME_62_Forty_three.gmi
22:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines This Week in GNOME: #62 Forty-three!
22:34 TR News; (NEW): The Wine development release 7.18 is now available. http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/The_Wine_development_release_7_18_is_now_available.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/The_Wine_development_release_7_18_is_now_available.gmi
22:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines The Wine development release 7.18 is now available.
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22:35 schestowitz[TR]; hi techrights_guest|84
22:46 TR News; "This builds, or at least compiles, but fails at linkage because of the second problem" https://www.talospace.com/2022/09/firefox-105-on-power.html
22:46 TR Bot; Firefox 105 on POWER
22:53 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22081514
22:53 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/qrly8lg21ug91.jpg created on 2022-08-15 06:18:58.751679
22:57 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.3.gmi
22:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 71.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 137.53
23:02 TR News; (NEW): openSUSE Tumblewee and SUSE Rancher http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/openSUSE_Tumblewee_and_SUSE_Rancher.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/openSUSE_Tumblewee_and_SUSE_Rancher.gmi
23:02 TR Bot; Tux Machines openSUSE Tumblewee and SUSE Rancher
23:06 TR News; Giant squid corpse with half-eaten tentacles stuns tourists on New Zealand beach | Live Science https://www.livescience.com/giant-squid-new-zealand-beach Source: Live Science | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.livescience.com/giant-squid-new-zealand-beach
23:06 TR Bot; Giant squid corpse with half-eaten tentacles stuns tourists on New Zealand beach | Live Science
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23:07 TR News; What causes it? Depression? Suicide? Low-quality jabs? Post-COVID-19 complications? Heat waves? https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/23/record-excess-deaths-in-europe/
23:09 TR News; Proprietary should not be needed for this https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/remotepc-offers-high-performance-and-affordable-remote-access-for-linux-machines-301632311.html
23:09 TR Bot; RemotePC Offers High Performance and Affordable Remote Access for Linux Machines
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23:12 TR News; There are reasons to be sceptical of this because C is already used widely, good developers use it, and it's not clear what developers stayed away from Linux kernel development just because Rust wasn't admissible https://www.therobotreport.com/linux-embracing-rust-will-boost-robotics-community/
23:12 TR Bot; Linux embracing Rust will boost robotics community - The Robot Report
23:14 psydruid; https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339667-nvidia-announces-jetson-orin-nano-updates-isaac-nova-orin-dev-kit
23:14 TR Bot; Announces Jetson Orin Nano, Updates Isaac Nova Orin Dev Kit - ExtremeTech
23:16 DaemonFC; https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//wgntv.com/news/metra-train-strikes-kills-woman-in-mokena/
23:16 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
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23:19 TR News; "On the whole, it was disappointing, but it was an interesting challenge to try to orient myself to the sky when only about a fifth of it is visible through random gaps in the cloud cover. " gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20220923-0.gmi
23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
23:21 TR News; "Wasn't sure what to call this style of entry, but it's mainly going to be for raving about pieces of media that I've recently enjoyed. Severance was initially suggested to me by my parents, and I was curious about the concept, but oh boy did it exceed my expectations!" gemini://themby.smol.pub/2022-09-23
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23:23 TR News; (NEW): Linux On The Laptop Works So Damn Well That Its Boring http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Linux_On_The_Laptop_Works_So_Damn_Well_That_It_s_Boring.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Linux_On_The_Laptop_Works_So_Damn_Well_That_It_s_Boring.gmi
23:23 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux On The Laptop Works So Damn Well That Its Boring
23:31 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi
23:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
23:32 TR News; (NEW): Astro Pi (Raspberry Pi) and Arduino Projects http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Astro_Pi_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino_Projects.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Astro_Pi_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino_Projects.gmi
23:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines Astro Pi (Raspberry Pi) and Arduino Projects
23:38 TR News; (NEW): Free Software Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Free_Software_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Free_Software_Leftovers.gmi
23:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Free Software Leftovers
23:38 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi
23:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
23:38 starstreak; i use linucks btw
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23:39 schestowitz[TR]; you said it before..
23:39 schestowitz[TR]; (btw)
23:40 TR News; Links 23/09/2022: PeerTube 4.3 and GNOME Report | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/23/peertube-4-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/23/peertube-4-3/
23:40 TR Bot; Links 23/09/2022: PeerTube 4.3 and GNOME Report | Techrights
23:43 starstreak; btw btw
23:43 starstreak; https://youtu.be/1h71dcnsxDo
23:43 TR Bot; https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=1h71dcnsxDo
23:43 TR Bot; youtube.076.ne.jp | I'm your worst nightmare - Invidious
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23:43 starstreak; i've run 'pacman -Syu' about 15 times today hoping it would give me gnome 43
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