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00:00 TR News; "the number of Gemini capsules has more than doubled, so too has the number of unique domains hosting Gemini content, and the number of unique IP addresses didnt quite double but got close." http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/3-years-of-gemini/
00:00 TR News; As shown above, EPO staff is eager to make it loud and clear that the status quo at the EPO isnt acceptable and the president is unfit to run the Office http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/epo-opinion-poll-campinos-survey/
00:00 TR News; EPO President Antnio Campinos violates the Code of Conduct of the Office he claims to be leading; hes in no position to call for civility http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/epo-campinos-foul-mouthed/
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00:09 TR News; "It's wild how, unlike cars and planes, trains kill basically 0 people per year. I can't even find statistics about it, but it seems to be below 1,000 per year vs. over a million from automobiles" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
00:11 TR News; "A similar thrift store a few blocks down recently stopped selling VHS tapes, and I spent hours looking around for them. The place had records, it had tons of books, it even had compact cassettes. But no VHS tapes" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1024
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00:13 TR News; How Much Incel Terrorism Can We Prevent With Kindness? https://danielmiessler.com/blog/how-much-incel-terrorism-can-we-prevent-with-kindness/
00:13 TR Bot; How Much Incel Terrorism Can We Prevent With Kindness? - Daniel Miessler
00:13 MinceR; https://files.catbox.moe/gn4nnr.jpg
00:13 TR Bot; connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/gn4nnr.jpg )
00:14 TR News; Update: base64dump.py Version 0.0.22 https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/06/17/update-base64dump-py-version-0-0-22/
00:14 TR Bot; Update: base64dump.py Version 0.0.22 | Didier Stevens
00:14 TR News; ACM pushing "HEY HI" hype and bullshit https://cacm.acm.org/opinion/articles/261864-how-smarter-ai-will-change-creativity/fulltext
00:14 TR Bot; How Smarter AI Will Change Creativity | Opinion | Communications of the ACM
00:15 TR News; There is no labour shortage but a shortage of shareholders and managers with empathy towards other human beings https://cacm.acm.org/news/261162-addressing-labor-shortages-with-automation/fulltext
00:15 TR Bot; Addressing Labor Shortages with Automation | News | Communications of the ACM
00:17 TR News; "Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 740 for the week of June 12 18, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/06/20/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-740/
00:17 TR Bot; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 740
00:22 TR News; "I've enjoyed seeing the rise and fall of mobile games - and the effects it's had on the wider gaming landscape. As the mobile market has slowly shifted towards gacha and idle mechanics, a lot of the enjoyable precepts of "lunch break gaming" have become heavily integrated into the indie landscape." gemini://pluviam95.smol.pub/entry4
00:23 TR News; "But what could be interesting about such a computer today? What was new and innovative back then is mostly outdated today: The Atari had no real multitasking, it could load up to 6 additional so-called desk accessories, but could only run one main program at a time." gemini://datapulp.smol.pub/atari-st-what-a-computer
00:24 TR News; "Something also had to happen to the keyboard. The keys were extremely yellowed. So I took off all the keycaps and exposed them to the sun in a solution of half water, half bleach for a day as well. They became much less yellow, but unfortunately I couldn't get rid of the yellowing completely." gemini://datapulp.smol.pub/atari-260st-retrobrighting
00:25 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D267.jpg
00:28 TR News; "The legislation includes wrecking terminology which specifically tears up almost all aspects of the Irish Protocol. It reverses three years of negotiations concluded by the EU and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson in January 2020." https://anfenglishmobile.com/news/uk-pm-boris-johnson-rips-up-brexit-protocol-60570
00:28 TR Bot; ANF | UK PM Boris Johnson rips up Brexit Protocol
00:29 TR News; NO: "the agreements concerning e-commerce, fisheries subsidies, and COVID-19 vaccines deserve to be celebrated." They've just killed millions of people to protect the patent monopolies. WTO needs to be abolished for humanity's sake https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/tradeworld/the-wto-ministerial-agreement-problematic-progress/
00:29 TR Bot; The WTO Ministerial Agreement Problematic Progress - Atlantic Council
00:30 TR News; "In 1994, Hutu extremists slaughtered 800,000 Tutsi using nail-spiked clubs, machetes and other weapons. A UN unit led by Chief Prosecutor Serge Brammertz is still trying to track down those responsible, but it is a race against time." https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/searching-for-the-final-suspects-of-the-rwandan-genocide-a-c8438dd7-a59c-43a8-85d8-74348f38e400#ref=rss
00:30 TR Bot; Searching for the Final Suspects of the Rwandan Genocide - DER SPIEGEL
00:31 TR News; Clockwork's DevTerm Teases Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 Compatibility | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/devterm-raspberry-pi-compute-module-4-adapter Source: tomshardware
00:31 TR Bot; Clockwork's DevTerm Teases Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 Compatibility | Tom's Hardware
00:31 TR News; Raspberry Pi TV Simulator Tunes in to Retro Channels | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-tv-simulator Source: tomshardware
00:32 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi TV Simulator Tunes in to Retro Channels | Tom's Hardware
00:32 TR News; Beaglebone Black still going strong http://box.matto.nl/beaglebone-black-still-going-strong.html
00:32 TR Bot; Black still going strong - box.matto.nl
00:33 AdmFubar; oh what could go wrong! https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/20/redbean_2_a_singlefile_web/
00:33 TR Bot; Unbelievable: A single-file web server that runs on six OSes The Register
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00:39 TR News; Debian and Ubuntu Miscellany Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166271
00:39 TR Bot; Debian and Ubuntu Miscellany | Tux Machines
00:40 TR News; Videos: Manjaro Linux 21.3.0 and "Boycott Wayland. It breaks everything!" Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166270
00:40 TR Bot; Videos: Manjaro Linux 21.3.0 and "Boycott Wayland. It breaks everything!" | Tux Machines
00:40 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding: Beaglebone, Raspberry Pi, and Arduino Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166269
00:40 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding: Beaglebone, Raspberry Pi, and Arduino | Tux Machines
00:44 TR News; ChromeOS can now open more archive files including 7z, iso, and tar https://9to5google.com/2022/06/20/chromeos-archives-7z-iso-tar/
00:44 TR Bot; can open more archives including 7z, iso, & tar - 9to5Google
00:49 MinceR; (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/xFqwBYy
00:49 TR Bot; a little happy post of our kitties - Album on Imgur
00:54 TR News; Highest Number of COVID-19 Hospitalisations in Almost 2 Months, So Borisnaro is Rapidly Abolishing the Transparency https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/20/abolishing-covid-transparency/
00:54 TR Bot; Blog Archive Highest Number of COVID-19 Hospitalisations in Almost 2 Months, So Borisnaro is Rapidly Abolishing the Transparency
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00:59 TR News; Finally. The longest day.
01:06 TR News; Programming and HowTos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166272
01:06 TR Bot; Programming and HowTos | Tux Machines
01:06 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166273
01:06 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
01:08 TR News; Links 21/06/2022: KDE e.V. Votes and Geminis Birthday | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/kde-e-v-votes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/20/kde-e-v-votes/
01:08 TR Bot; Links 21/06/2022: KDE e.V. Votes and Geminis Birthday | Techrights
01:24 DaemonFC; Golden Corral seems to have recovered from COVID.
01:24 DaemonFC; For a while there, business was kind of blah.
01:25 DaemonFC; Today, the place was packed, the food was a lot better than it was during the COVID panic.
01:25 DaemonFC; I like how everyone was panicking about COVID and now nobody even pays any attention to it.
01:25 DaemonFC; That's how "Bigger Problems" work.
01:26 DaemonFC; Biden got in and fucked everything else up and now COVID's not #1 anymore because there's like 11 things that are worse than that thanks to Biden.
01:26 DaemonFC; He did fulfill a campaign promise. He got us past fear of COVID. Now he's got people afraid of losing their jobs, savings, and home.
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01:32 schestowitz_TR; it's not a biden thing
01:34 DaemonFC; The rich people who don't need government incentives to buy an EV are the only people who can afford one. Maybe if Pete "If you can't afford a gallon of gas for your clunker, just get an EV." Buttf*** and JB Prickster, who keeps taking more from us to give to rich people who buy EVs would get out of the way and give us some tax relief on an ongoing basis, we could get through this.
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01:35 DaemonFC; They're talking about a federal gas tax holiday right before the election they're about to lose big time.
01:36 DaemonFC; On top of Cost of Living Hell which the mjg59_s of the world gave us, we're sick and fucking tired of people's "preferred pronouns" and worrying about if we're being unfair to felons.
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01:37 schestowitz_TR; this isn't about tech
01:37 DaemonFC; But I think Fox News really had to scrape the bottom of the bucket the other day to put someone on a pedestal when they did that story about Kraken.
01:37 schestowitz_TR; back on topic.
01:37 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, the rest of the companies have gone woke and maybe there aren't any examples of CEOs that just want things to be normal in the workplace.
01:38 TR News; "This weeks episode of Destination Linux, were going to be talking about IDE monopolization is it going to be an issue in the future?" VS Code = proprietary spyware controlled by an anti-Linux company. Boycott it. https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/destination-linux/dl-283/
01:38 TR Bot; The State of IDEs: VSCode or BS-Code? - Destination Linux - TuxDigital
01:38 DaemonFC; I'm so glad I don't have to deal with those idiots Mandy works with. They just fired 4 more of them the other day for having group sex in the family bathroom.
01:38 DaemonFC; Four adults and none of them thought to lock the door.
01:39 DaemonFC; Then there's another one who is on workman's comp while posting pictures of herself having a ball on vacation.
01:39 DaemonFC; On top of all of the ones who are just lazy as sin and stealing from the company.
01:40 DaemonFC; Of course they all want $20 an hour. It's like that everywhere now.
01:40 DaemonFC; These are the people who want $20 and a union.
01:40 TR News; Amnesty International & Debian Day suicides comparison http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166091#comment-34076
01:40 TR Bot; PsyOps 007: Paul Tagliamonte wanted Debian Press Team to have license to kill | Tux Machines
01:41 DaemonFC; I wonder if Richard Stallman has a position on that.
01:41 DaemonFC; Maybe they'd have more job security if they didn't call off all the time because they were hungover, steal, have group sex in the bathroom, and worked.
01:42 DaemonFC; It's all of the fuckoffs that are the reason nobody gets a good deal on their labor.
01:43 DaemonFC; Walmart is like any other company. They have to tolerate so much of this to avoid EEOC investigations that everyone has to suffer, and it becomes a welfare program for the worst.
01:45 mjg59_; schestowitz_TR: what the actual fuck
01:45 mjg59_; schestowitz_TR: Why are you linking to something that contains actual lies about someone's death?
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01:51 mjg59_; schestowitz_TR: Frans died in 2010. The mail Daniel is referring to was sent in 2007.
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01:52 mjg59_; schestowitz_TR: Daniel Pocock simply lies about things. He is not credible. And yet you continue linking to his poisonous claims.
01:55 TR News; Gemini Turning Three and Why Itll Probably Reach and Exceed Ten (Decade) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/gemini-maturing/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/20/gemini-maturing/
01:55 TR Bot; Gemini Turning Three and Why Itll Probably Reach and Exceed Ten (Decade) | Techrights
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01:59 schestowitz_TR; https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/raheem-sterling-best-of-2122-63791339
01:59 TR Bot; Raheem Sterling: 2021/22 season highlights
01:59 schestowitz_TR; DRM :/
02:00 schestowitz_TR; Firefox pushing DRM, too
02:06 TR News; No new "Linux" story in 6 days already. You know ZDNet is perishing... http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet#2022
02:06 TR Bot; ZDNet - Techrights
02:08 TR News; People "collecting" fake 'friends' in social control media to compensate for a lack of real, trusted, real-life/IRL friends is understandable. Kids do the same thing with imaginary friends. Social control media is infantile.
02:21 AdmFubar; https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musks-daughter-files-to-ditch-his-last-name
02:21 TR Bot; Elon Musks Daughter Files to Ditch His Last Name
02:21 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D619.jpg
02:22 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D268.jpg
02:22 schestowitz_TR; whose name?
02:22 schestowitz_TR; his? hers?
02:23 schestowitz_TR; this headline is poorly written
02:25 MinceR; Elon Musk's Daughter Files to Rename "Elon Musk" to "Elon"
02:25 schestowitz_TR; Mask
02:27 MinceR; "Somebody stop me!"
02:27 schestowitz_TR; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM
02:27 TR Bot; Queen - Don't Stop Me Now (Official Video) - Invidious
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02:33 TR News; Dont be Grumpy About Alternatives to the World Wide Web | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/world-wide-web-is-bloat/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/20/world-wide-web-is-bloat/
02:33 TR Bot; Dont be Grumpy About Alternatives to the World Wide Web | Techrights
02:34 schestowitz_TR; >> "He is not credible. And yet you continue linking to his poisonous claims."
02:34 schestowitz_TR; a. I did not know we have our own URL kkkop in IRC
02:34 schestowitz_TR; b. the Internet tested accusations and found that on ALL grounds the right of speech was there
02:35 schestowitz_TR; c. it's not unreasona\ble to allow dissenting views
02:35 *schestowitz_TR back to work
02:36 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-200622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-200622.txt
02:36 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 20, 2022
02:36 TR News; "Social" "justice' "warriors": we're all about rights, except the right of free expression
02:37 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-200622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-200622.txt
02:37 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 20, 2022
02:38 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-200622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-200622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-200622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-200622.txt
02:38 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 20, 2022
02:38 mjg59_; schestowitz_TR: Uh when was the last time you linked to Swapnil without including a snide comment
02:39 schestowitz_TR; I LINK to him
02:39 schestowitz_TR; that's refuting the pooint
02:39 schestowitz_TR; I did not say censor links to him
02:39 mjg59_; Yeah but you link while passing judgement
02:39 TR News; Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-200622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-200622.txt
02:39 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 20, 2022
02:39 schestowitz_TR; freedom of expression = criticism
02:39 schestowitz_TR; maybe one day you will understand how freedom of speech works
02:39 mjg59_; While Pocock continues to lie about free software contributors, but you link to him without any criticism
02:40 schestowitz_TR; you are not making a point
02:40 schestowitz_TR; spamnil is worse
02:40 schestowitz_TR; spamnil lies for money
02:40 schestowitz_TR; that's vastly worse than misguided opinions
02:40 mjg59_; Worse than someone who falsely claims that free software contributors drove someone to suicide?
02:40 schestowitz_TR; he also helped crimes
02:40 schestowitz_TR; like vmware cover up abues
02:41 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-06-20.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-06-20.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:41 schestowitz_TR; mjg59_: there are many suicide storiues there, inc. Murdock
02:41 mjg59_; Worse than someone who falsely claims that free software contributors are involved in human traficking?
02:41 schestowitz_TR; who was driven to it by SFPF
02:41 schestowitz_TR; *PD
02:41 schestowitz_TR; they pushed him over the edge
02:41 schestowitz_TR; maybe you should moan about that police dept.
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02:41 mjg59_; Oh, I do
02:42 schestowitz_TR; not fight against people with a history of fighting for indiginous people
02:42 schestowitz_TR; like Aboriginals
02:42 mjg59_; Do you believe Pocock's claims?
02:42 schestowitz_TR; not always
02:42 schestowitz_TR; but he should have his platform
02:42 mjg59_; So why do you link to them without comment?
02:42 schestowitz_TR; that's free speech
02:42 schestowitz_TR; stop policing who is allowed to have links
02:42 mjg59_; How often do you link to me without criticism?
02:42 schestowitz_TR; and who can and cannot eb criticised
02:42 mjg59_; Should I not have my platform?
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02:43 schestowitz_TR; you do
02:43 schestowitz_TR; and you use ours, too
02:43 schestowitz_TR; I don't always link to you witrh criticism
02:43 mjg59_; Will you publish my writings on techrights.org, like you published Daniel's?
02:43 schestowitz_TR; in the past few years maybe 50%
02:43 schestowitz_TR; mjg59_: if t is relevant, maybe
02:43 mjg59_; Ok cool
02:43 schestowitz_TR; we focus on stuff like software patents
02:43 schestowitz_TR; not fake security
02:44 mjg59_; Uh when did Daniel ever write about software patents?
02:44 schestowitz_TR; he writes a lot about WIPO
02:44 schestowitz_TR; WIPO is a thug
02:44 schestowitz_TR; corrupt, bloodthirsty
02:44 mjg59_; How many of his articles that you republished mentioned WIPO?
02:45 schestowitz_TR; those are recent
02:45 schestowitz_TR; anyway, it is an ongoing case
02:45 schestowitz_TR; WIPO is trying to repair its image
02:45 mjg59_; Ok but you republished lots of things he wrote that said nothing about WIPO
02:46 mjg59_; So it's not just that you concentrate on software patents
02:46 schestowitz_TR; you hardly even write
02:46 schestowitz_TR; been like a month
02:46 schestowitz_TR; must be very busy at work... and IRC
02:46 mjg59_; Yeah I was on holiday
02:46 mjg59_; My dad's 70th
02:48 TR News; Linux Foundation as a front for fiscal predators https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-finops-foundation-announces-fidelity-investments-as-a-premier-member-301571166.html
02:48 TR Bot; The FinOps Foundation Announces Fidelity Investments as a Premier Member
02:49 TR News; ICBM is a proprietary software pusher. This means Red Hat too will increasingly abandon any spirit of "openness" (look what happened to CentOS and Fedora already) https://www.gurufocus.com/news/1770480/ibm-transforms-business-operations-with-the-rise-with-sap-solution-in-expanded-partnership-with-sap
02:50 TR Bot; Transforms Business Operat - GuruFocus.com
02:51 TR News; "If it surges during summertime (worse summer than 2020 and 2021), imagine what will happen in winter" https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/20/abolishing-covid-transparency/
02:51 TR Bot; Blog Archive Highest Number of COVID-19 Hospitalisations in Almost 2 Months, So Borisnaro is Rapidly Abolishing the Transparency
02:52 TR News; With the World Wide Web going in the wrong direction we need an alternative that focuses on actual pages; Gemini is, at the moment, probably the most viable alternative to the World Wide Web http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/gemini-maturing/
02:52 TR Bot; Gemini Turning Three and Why Itll Probably Reach and Exceed Ten (Decade) | Techrights
02:52 TR News; The World Wide Web was preceded by several similar hypertext systems, some of which technically superior to it; now that the worlds Bloated Web (formerly World Wide Web) gravitates towards proprietary browsers and is basically becoming like Adobes Flash it makes more sense to embrace Gemini for textual material thats safe to access http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/world-wide-web-is-bloat/
02:52 TR Bot; Dont be Grumpy About Alternatives to the World Wide Web | Techrights
02:54 TR News; COVID-19 isn't finished. Government's empathy for human beings and care for human life is finished. Technically and legally it has been finished for decades, but now it seems worse than ever. Look at the lack of effort to STOP the Ukraine war.
02:55 TR News; NATO wants to END the Ukraine war like Pfizer wants to put a permanent stop to COVID-19.
02:56 TR News; Patents related to COVID-19 have already killed millions. With the WTO deal it's clear they want to kill millions more. Then they shed crocodile tears about loss of lives. What bothers them most is the MERE PROSPECT of loss of PATENTS (monopolies).
02:57 TR News; The best way to object to or protest the current heist (piggybacking pandemic and war, among other things) is to limit buying to a bare minimum. Let circulation of money sink to all-time lows...
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02:59 TR News; Media is still (even this week) using the queen's son, who isn't even the heir, to distract from far worse culprits, who literally worked to enable and to liberate Jeffrey Epstein https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html
02:59 TR Bot; Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times
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03:01 TR News; The media is digging its own graves by covering up for high-profile criminals and bagging their money. This is one way the 'powerful' people kill journalism, which they never liked anyway...
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03:02 TR News; Journalism isn't dying. It is being assassinated.
03:03 TR News; "container security" = adding more complexity, praying this will somehow enhance security rather than add to the attack surface https://www.suse.com/c/visibility-and-consistency-are-essential-for-container-security/
03:03 TR Bot; and consistency are essential for container security | SUSE Communities
03:05 mjg59_; Containers literally reduce attack surface?
03:05 TR News; Twitter will languish away while "pedo guy" Musk (who does NOT value free speech!) does to it what Icagn and Microsoft did to Yahoo! Twitter is already dead, but just informally...
03:05 schestowitz_TR; you can escape containers
03:06 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 204120 total Total number of pages in capsule: 41229 Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-05-27 10:17:06 BST; 3 weeks 3 days ago
03:06 mjg59_; And if you deploy without using containers, you don't need to bother escaping
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03:09 schestowitz_TR; what are your credentials in security?
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03:10 schestowitz_TR; you're like Tony Campinos talking about patents
03:10 TR News; GNU/Linux at ~5% share https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202206
03:10 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
03:11 mjg59_; schestowitz_TR: I teach security at Berkeley?
03:11 mjg59_; I dunno, what credentials do you want
03:11 schestowitz_TR; Tony Campino = a bunch of corrupt crooks made me EPO president, hence I'm patent expert
03:11 schestowitz_TR; mjg59_: did you study CS?
03:11 mjg59_; No
03:11 schestowitz_TR; did you study network security?
03:11 mjg59_; Did you study IP law?
03:11 schestowitz_TR; what are the creds?
03:12 schestowitz_TR; we're talking about you now
03:12 schestowitz_TR; not me
03:12 schestowitz_TR; there's no "IP law"
03:12 mjg59_; Right just wondering what creds you have to judge theEPO
03:12 schestowitz_TR; you answered my question
03:12 schestowitz_TR; with a non-answer
03:12 schestowitz_TR; you are a posert
03:12 schestowitz_TR; *poser
03:12 schestowitz_TR; like Bully de Blanc
03:13 schestowitz_TR; using one job as crtedential for the next
03:13 mjg59_; I've worked in security for a decade, I'm trusted by other people in the field
03:13 schestowitz_TR; without underlying seminal knowledge
03:13 schestowitz_TR; or anything of relevant
03:13 schestowitz_TR; use
03:13 schestowitz_TR; same as EPO management
03:13 schestowitz_TR; many people who do not even know what patents ar
03:13 schestowitz_TR; eimprovising
03:13 mjg59_; Do you think the only way to learn things is to go to university?
03:13 schestowitz_TR; or Linux [sic] Foundation
03:13 mjg59_; Do you think free software requires a CS degree?
03:13 schestowitz_TR; where almost no manager understands Linux, let alone uses it
03:13 schestowitz_TR; bbl
03:13 mjg59_; Coward
03:16 schestowitz_TR; don't be too offended
03:16 schestowitz_TR; you are part of a SYSTEMIC problem
03:16 schestowitz_TR; you are part of a SYSTEMIC problem
03:16 schestowitz_TR; it's not just you
03:16 mjg59_; One where I'm working in a field that I don't have a degree in?
03:16 mjg59_; How much code do you have in Linux, Roy?
03:16 schestowitz_TR; I am not a KERNEL hacker
03:17 mjg59_; Ok! But I am a kernel hacker.
03:17 schestowitz_TR; I'm a programmer/sysadmin
03:17 schestowitz_TR; m1k3: no
03:17 schestowitz_TR; you WERE
03:17 mjg59_; Oh, I still write kernel code
03:17 m1k3; Huh?
03:17 mjg59_; But what were my credentials for that?
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03:17 schestowitz_TR; m1k3: wrong autocomplete, sorry
03:18 mjg59_; My last computing qualification was an RSA stage I in Computer Literacy and Information Technology
03:18 mjg59_; I got a distinction!
03:18 schestowitz_TR; ACPI is not security
03:18 mjg59_; It says I can use a word processor, a spreadsheet and a database
03:18 matey; My last computing qualification was an RSA stage I in Computer Literacy <- this has to be about teaching
03:18 schestowitz_TR; "secure" boot is not security
03:18 mjg59_; Well sure but what were my credentials for ACPI
03:18 matey; even i would assume mjg doesnt need "computer literacy"
03:18 matey; that would be silly
03:19 mjg59_; Roy's complaining that having a PhD in genetics means I'm not qualified to work in security
03:19 mjg59_; But seems ok with me having worked full-time on kernel development before that
03:19 matey; Roy's complaining that having a PhD in genetics means I'm not qualified to work in security <- hehehe
03:19 matey; mark my words, sometimes hes sillier than you
03:19 mjg59_; Which I'm equally unqualified on, by this argument
03:19 matey; you teach computer literacy now?
03:20 mjg59_; Nah, I teach security
03:20 mjg59_; Got an award for it!
03:20 m1k3; mjg59_, I haven't been around here long and don't understand the dynamics here...but I'm curious why you hang around here when you don't feel respected? Are you expecting something?
03:20 matey; wouldnt be your first
03:20 matey; I'm curious why you hang around here when you don't feel respected? <- oh hell, even i can understand that
03:20 matey; its a "long story"
03:20 mjg59_; m1k3: Because I care about free software and there's a bunch of people here who care about free software but who I disagree with, and I want to understand that disagreement
03:21 schestowitz_TR; no
03:21 mjg59_; No point in only spending time in places where everyone agrees with me
03:21 schestowitz_TR; you want to censor people you do not agree with
03:21 schestowitz_TR; that's how you deal with conflicting views
03:22 schestowitz_TR; (it's also how team systemd deals with it)
03:23 matey; this is an oversimplification
03:23 matey; its true to a degree
03:24 m1k3; mjg59_, No offense, but if you ever want to understand disagreements, that will never happen if you become defensive or result to insults.
03:25 matey; systemd uses every trick in the book-- some more than others
03:25 matey; i mean
03:25 matey; ibm,
03:25 matey; ibm...
03:25 matey; red hat..
03:25 matey; red hat...
03:25 TR News; Laptops/desktops on Turkey? GNU/Linux measured at 10% this past spring https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/turkey/#monthly-200901-202206 and if you count mobile too, Windows is at 10%
03:25 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share Turkey | Statcounter Global Stats
03:25 m1k3; resort*
03:25 matey; censorship is only one tool in the devils toolchest
03:26 m1k3; What?
03:26 fuzzy; GNU GCC... as far as the "disagreement" was concerned
03:26 schestowitz_TR; there are different censorshiop methods
03:26 schestowitz_TR; inc. self-censorship inducements
03:26 matey; oh you can say that again
03:26 schestowitz_TR; threats
03:26 fuzzy; what is this... GNU... a dump yard for corporate interests?
03:26 schestowitz_TR; mobbing
03:26 schestowitz_TR; deplatforming
03:26 matey; what is this... GNU... a dump yard for corporate intere <- i mean if you fail to defend it, then yes
03:26 matey; and they failed to defend it... so yes
03:26 schestowitz_TR; btw, johns isn't too keen on free speech
03:26 schestowitz_TR; he's not formally in fsf now
03:27 matey; mobbing <- deplatforming <- lets not forget bullshitting
03:27 fuzzy; no offense towards mjg59_, neither personal nor based on technical merits
03:27 fuzzy; nonetheless, i consider GCC damaged beyond repair
03:27 matey; he's not formally in fsf now <- well to be fai
03:27 matey; fair
03:27 matey; there is no fsf
03:27 matey; <fuzzy> nonetheless, i consider GCC damaged beyond repair <- maybe
03:27 matey; its bleak
03:27 matey; but its also relative
03:27 schestowitz_TR; fsf is there
03:27 schestowitz_TR; but it does not fight hard
03:28 matey; s/hard/at all/
03:28 schestowitz_TR; too worried about how some circles might react
03:28 matey; oh fuck it
03:28 matey; s/hard//
03:28 schestowitz_TR; now unable to be a revotionary force
03:28 schestowitz_TR; which is what the coup plotters wanted
03:28 matey; s/revolutionary//
03:28 schestowitz_TR; so they can carry on writing proprietary crap with back doors
03:28 schestowitz_TR; and fsf will star hush
03:28 matey; its a non-force, non-revolutionary, non-organisation
03:28 matey; to wit: (this is tongue in cheek)
03:29 matey; http://www.nongnu.org/
03:29 TR Bot; Welcome [Savannah]
03:29 schestowitz_TR; stay
03:29 schestowitz_TR; http://fsf.org/blog
03:29 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://www.fsf.org/blog )
03:29 matey; THIS IS an EX-PARROT!
03:29 matey; http://fsf.org/blog <- oh, good! free water bottles!
03:30 matey; only $100
03:30 matey; but free as in free-dumb
03:30 schestowitz_TR; "by Zo Kooyman Published on Oct 26, 2020 08:21 PM"
03:30 matey; now with extra dumb at no extra charge
03:30 schestowitz_TR; 2 years ago https://www.fsf.org/resources/videos
03:30 TR Bot; Videos Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
03:30 matey; Oct 26, 2020 <- haha
03:30 matey; /me throws eggs at cambridge
03:31 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wWqU1ynYSrM
03:31 TR Bot; The Princess Bride! Queen of Garbage! - Invidious
03:33 matey; <schestowitz_TR> now unable to be a revotionary force <schestowitz_TR> which is what the coup plotters wanted <- its what they got
03:33 matey; we can twist reality into a pretty picture
03:33 matey; and bullshit people into thinking the coup was unsuccessful
03:33 matey; obviously roy never say THEY LIVE
03:33 matey; saw
03:34 schestowitz_TR; they already did this in 2007 ish
03:34 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Live
03:34 TR Bot; They Live - Wikipedia
03:34 schestowitz_TR; after "bad vista"
03:34 schestowitz_TR; after that the FSF did "7 sins"
03:34 schestowitz_TR; and then pretty much nothing about Windows
03:34 matey; youre downplaying again
03:34 schestowitz_TR; because some members said it was "negative"
03:34 schestowitz_TR; here's one reason to dislike cops
03:35 schestowitz_TR; they do "negative" things
03:35 schestowitz_TR; they disrupt crimes
03:35 schestowitz_TR; they arrest people
03:35 schestowitz_TR; so negative
03:35 schestowitz_TR; Microsoft does crimes
03:35 schestowitz_TR; but speaking about it in a Web page is "negative"
03:35 schestowitz_TR; we should just stay out of the way
03:35 schestowitz_TR; and let Acosta et al deal with the crimes
03:35 matey; its like a ball pit, but with straws instead of balls
03:35 schestowitz_TR; it's not like Microsoft can pull strings with authorities
03:36 schestowitz_TR; trust the system ;-)
03:36 matey; full of countless colourful straws
03:36 matey; yes youre very avant garde
03:36 mjg59_; m1k3: Oh, it's not Roy that I'm trying to understand
03:36 matey; someday when they can fully appreciate it theyll say you were ahead of your time
03:36 schestowitz_TR; 2009 http://techrights.org/2009/09/26/richard-stallman-smeared-for-truth/
03:36 TR Bot; Richard Stallman is Not the Bad Guy | Techrights
03:36 m1k3; Techrights "after dark" is pretty intense
03:36 schestowitz_TR; http://techrights.org/2009/09/21/rms-on-miguel-de-icaza/
03:37 TR Bot; Miguel de Icaza is Basically a Traitor to the Free Software Community, Says Richard Stallman | Techrights
03:37 schestowitz_TR; he and I both get "flak" for merely stating a fact
03:37 matey; practice runs
03:37 schestowitz_TR; which was proven more true later
03:37 schestowitz_TR; he joined codeplex
03:37 mjg59_; m1k3: It's the other people here who are genuinely invested in free software
03:37 schestowitz_TR; and later Microsoft
03:37 schestowitz_TR; he literally worked for criminals
03:37 matey; m1k3: It's the other people here who are genuinely invested in free software <- :)
03:37 schestowitz_TR; for personal gain (money)
03:37 matey; you know the funny thing is
03:37 matey; stating something thats factual has nothing to do with who you are
03:38 matey; its purely about whats being said
03:38 matey; context is everything of course
03:38 matey; but sometimes things seem so obvious
03:38 mjg59_; matey: I do learn some useful things from stuff Roy says, I just don't feel that he's someone I need to understand
03:38 matey; and yet, some things are simply factual
03:38 schestowitz_TR; https://www.osnews.com/story/22225/rms-de-icaza-traitor-to-free-software-community/
03:38 matey; I just don't feel that he's someone I need to understand <- even if you needed to
03:38 TR Bot; De Icaza Traitor to Free Software Community OSnews
03:38 schestowitz_TR; see comments
03:38 matey; its really not rocket science
03:39 matey; roy and i have agreed on a number of things
03:39 mjg59_; matey: I'm way more curious about people like you, and I've learned a lot from being here as a result
03:39 matey; but for me, facts are data
03:39 matey; and for some people, facts are...
03:39 matey; well, props
03:39 matey; for setting a stage
03:39 matey; for god knows what
03:39 mjg59_; Like, it's super obvious that there's no way to build a broad consortium of free software people with corporate backing
03:40 matey; matey: I'm way more curious about people like you <- the funny thing is
03:40 matey; i say what i mean
03:40 mjg59_; Which isn't really a surprise! But it's good to know
03:40 matey; i mean
03:40 mjg59_; So we need to ensure that any future organisations aren't beholden to corporate sponsorship
03:40 matey; we need to ensure that any future organisations aren't beholden to corporate sponsorship <- that of course is true
03:40 matey; but im only willing to do certain things to those ends
03:41 matey; in other words, that matters but its obviously not the only thing that matters
03:41 matey; there are some things im not willing to throw out
03:41 matey; but if i thought it was needed to throw out those things to see a future without corporate control...
03:41 matey; i clearly do not
03:42 matey; at any rate, at least youre coherent
03:42 matey; i mean
03:42 matey; its not just an endless slapping together of... whatever
03:42 mjg59_; I try to be consistent
03:42 matey; theres a path your arguments follow, at least
03:42 mjg59_; I don't always live up to my standards, but
03:42 matey; consistency isnt the greatest virtue there is
03:42 matey; but coherence is a plus
03:42 mjg59_; Like I said, I benefit from getting better understanding of the root causes of our disagreement
03:43 TR News; "As the title of the book suggests, it questions just how much good the wealthy and large corporations actually intend to do with their rather public acts of philanthropy" gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/altruist-capture.gmi
03:43 matey; and theyre at least related
03:43 mjg59_; Even if that doesn't make me agree, it helps me understand
03:43 TR News; "It gives several examples through interviews with people who were in university in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, and who sipped the kool aid. They wound up working for big name investment firms under the impression that they would in fact make a huge, positive impact on the world" gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/altruist-capture.gmi
03:43 matey; i mean the weakness of consistency is that sometimes things prove to be wrong
03:44 matey; i certainly dont have to explain that to you
03:44 *KiKi_ (~KiKi@8tzi6shhd2jf2.irc) has joined #techrights
03:44 matey; but its what i mean
03:44 matey; coherence isnt worried about that
03:44 TR News; "Theyre the sort that try to squeeze every last drop of productivity from their day to put toward the job, and thats on top of working crazy hours. Worse, it seems that there are a lot more of these people than the ones that leave" gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/altruist-capture.gmi
03:44 matey; it moves past mistakes and still tries to stay true to context, even when some things prove wrong
03:44 TR News; "theyre so distracted by the tasks they are assigned that they dont have time to notice just how little impact on the world they are having. They would probably be horrified if they realized that many of them are likely causing more harm than good in the long run." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/altruist-capture.gmi
03:45 matey; call it a "higher consistency"
03:45 matey; but not for convenience, only for--
03:45 matey; its like science
03:45 TR News; "One of the big arguments being put forward is that these corporations and wealthy people are creating these projects that claim to want to make the world better so that they can control them. This way they can point the altruistic people working under them in one direction." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/altruist-capture.gmi
03:45 matey; we ditch luminiferous aether
03:45 matey; but we dont throw out the whole universe
03:45 matey; we learn from mistakes and move forward, refining the picture
03:45 TR News; ltruist-capture.gmi
03:46 matey; but theres a lot of coherence in science, it tries to make things as objective and universal as possible
03:46 matey; within reason
03:46 mjg59_; Obviously my understanding of free software is influenced by having spent a lot of time contributing to it from within a corporate context
03:46 matey; unfortunately
03:46 TR News; "all of this is basically altruist capture. Just as corporations have been involved with regulatory capture for years, effectively removing the teeth from regulators so that large businesses can do as they please, they are gobbling up young, intelligent, motivated people, and saddling them with a ton of corporate busy work so that they dont even have the opportunity to do anything that would threaten corporate interests"
03:46 mjg59_; And maybe my opinions about the benefits of that are more broad than they should be as a result
03:46 matey; at least youre not afraid to be critical of authority figures
03:47 matey; im not saying thats worked out for the best
03:47 TR News; "If they really wanted to fix the world, stopping that sort of nonsense would be a good start, and many of these people have the skills to potentially put a good size dent in those sort of things. The thing is that it would also put a good sized dent in the profits of the wealthy, and they are not going to have any of that"
03:47 matey; but its a vital step either way
03:47 mjg59_; But my interest in free software being a place that's welcoming as opposed to one that focused on platforming poisonous people as long as they say the right things in a specific context isn't related to that
03:47 matey; yeah i mean
03:47 matey; ive tried to familiarise myself with that approach
03:48 mjg59_; Pocock is anti-corporate, but he's also viciously attacked people who've spent a lot of their lives working on free software
03:48 matey; i dont think pocock is too useful at this point
03:48 matey; but i think he was at one point-- whether incidentally or by nature
03:48 matey; he played a role
03:48 matey; i notice his mailing list is defunct
03:48 mjg59_; Yeah
03:48 DaemonFC; <schestowitz_TR> who was driven to it by SFPF
03:48 matey; and his website came from his mailing list
03:48 DaemonFC; I was nearly driven to suicide by the police.
03:48 DaemonFC; Nobody cared.
03:49 matey; as surely as techrights comes from this irc (which is only half true, but significantly)
03:49 DaemonFC; They took the side of a pedophile and an illegal immigrant that he met on Grindr.
03:49 matey; if his mailing list is gone, i wonder if/when he will update his website
03:49 matey; his website is a mixed bag
03:49 TR News; "Thumbs up for Mozilla and KDE, mixed reaction to mobile Thunderbird and Microsoft, AI definitely isnt sentient, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-182/
03:49 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 182 Late Night Linux
03:49 matey; full of what i consider interesting information, some of which i believe to be true
03:49 matey; and some hyperbole so over the top maybe godwin was right
03:50 matey; i think pocock doesnt know what hes doing, but i think he tried
03:50 matey; as for his motivations, i think at least some of them were good
03:50 matey; others its up for debate
03:50 mjg59_; I think he believes he's doing good
03:51 matey; of note is the fact that most people willing to attack him arent people im sympathetic to in the first place
03:51 matey; I think he believes he's doing good <- yeah, me too
03:51 matey; thats a lower bar than people realise
03:51 mjg59_; And a bunch of things have happened that have resulted in him having an unfair view of a bunch of people
03:51 matey; and it applies to so much more than pocock!
03:51 TR News; Lessons of Social Control Media from BBSs | The Changelog https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10393-lessons-of-social-media-from-bbss Source: changelog
03:51 TR Bot; Lessons of Social Media from BBSs | The Changelog
03:51 mjg59_; But that doesn't mean he's not hurting people
03:51 matey; well, pause for a moment
03:51 DaemonFC; The police drive a lot of people to suicide who don't deserve it.
03:51 matey; because here is something profound, and i wasnt the one who said it
03:51 matey; but i think most people will miss it, because most people do
03:51 TR News; GNOME Devs Mockup the Linux Image Viewer Ive Been Dreaming Of Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166274
03:51 TR Bot; GNOME Devs Mockup the Linux Image Viewer Ive Been Dreaming Of | Tux Machines
03:51 DaemonFC; You just don't hear about it a lot.
03:52 schestowitz_TR; true
03:52 schestowitz_TR; police can ruin lives
03:52 schestowitz_TR; even kids' lives
03:52 matey; b"I think he believes he's doing good"
03:52 schestowitz_TR; like kids who send nudes to kid friends
03:52 schestowitz_TR; and the police makes it worse
03:52 schestowitz_TR; by threatening to destroy their lives
03:52 DaemonFC; Yeah, the police come in and bust them for taking pictures of themselves.
03:52 DaemonFC; Nab the other one for having the nudes.
03:52 schestowitz_TR; that's one example of many
03:53 mjg59_; Spoiler I am never going to stan the cops
03:53 schestowitz_TR; the cops don't; get proper training
03:53 DaemonFC; And it's not some old pervert involved in it that goes to prison.
03:53 mjg59_; Basically every police force I've ever been subject to has been evil
03:53 DaemonFC; The cops don't want proper training.
03:54 DaemonFC; They join up because it's unlimited power with a paycheck and a gun.
03:54 DaemonFC; There's a certain psychology behind it, you know.
03:54 matey; the police always serve the same master
03:54 matey; once you understand this, it doesnt matter who becomes a policeman/policewoman
03:55 DaemonFC; Today I'm going to pull over a bunch of people who were harmlessly speeding a little and who didn't have any money and put them $300 in court debt that spirals out of control.
03:55 mjg59_; One literally collaborated with terrorists to murder people
03:55 TR News; People arent the problem. The problem is the platforms. https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10393-lessons-of-social-media-from-bbss
03:55 TR Bot; Lessons of Social Media from BBSs | The Changelog
03:55 DaemonFC; Followed by ruining some guy's life due to fake reports from his girlfriend.
03:55 matey; anyone here could join the police
03:55 DaemonFC; And maybe after lunch I'll shoot someone because I can make up any story I want and plant drugs on the corpse.
03:55 mjg59_; One was described in an official report as "Institutionally racist"
03:55 matey; it wouldnt change a thing
03:55 mjg59_; One was subject to a federal consent decree for just straight up killing Black people
03:55 matey; and if everyone joined the police
03:56 matey; it wouldnt be the police
03:56 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> One was subject to a federal consent decree for just straight up killing Black people
03:56 matey; One was subject to a federal consent decree for just straight up killing Black people <- police always serve the same master
03:56 matey; its a known fact that master is racist
03:56 DaemonFC; The Chicago Police entered into a consent decree on Obama's way out.
03:57 DaemonFC; And Trump spent 4 years ignoring every violation of it.
03:57 matey; its NOT hard to understand that police are institutionally racist
03:57 matey; its one of the most obvious things in the world
03:57 mjg59_; And one literally bombed the mayor's house
03:57 matey; even black cops are racist
03:57 matey; its insane
03:57 DaemonFC; There's a lot of racist black people.
03:58 matey; dfc of course will say "if even black cops are racist that should tell you something!"
03:58 DaemonFC; There's a lot of racist all kinds of people, and a lot of them get a free pass.
03:58 matey; it does, but it doesnt tell me what he thinks it should
03:58 matey; hes not capable of zooming out and seeing the big picture
03:58 matey; he cherrypicks but doesnt know hes cherrypicking
03:58 matey; there IS a better explanation
03:58 mjg59_; Dude still pretends he didn't sign me up to a bunch of spam lists
03:58 matey; but he settles for one he favours
03:58 DaemonFC; Oh I'm not all that racist really.
03:58 matey; i mean you were both younger
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 102.21
03:59 DaemonFC; The person I see stealing my catalytic converter is going to be just as shot as the next one.
03:59 matey; today such things are like federal crimes
03:59 mjg59_; Yeah but all I did was say "Hey, you're wrong about the details of this thing"
03:59 matey; but back in the day, that shit was just funny
03:59 matey; now its like, terrorism or something
03:59 matey; well yeah, people on the internet...
03:59 mjg59_; Eh it took like hours to deal with that shit
03:59 matey; i mean im sure weve both had death threats
03:59 matey; i know i have
03:59 matey; i fucking hate lennart poettering, for so many things
04:00 mjg59_; Thankfully most of the lists in question used the same broken software that added a custom header I could filter on
04:00 matey; but even if i headed an international crime syndicate
04:00 matey; i dont think id do more than prank him
04:00 matey; he set my life off in a direction im not too unhappy about
04:00 DaemonFC; I've done so much worse than that and freely admit to it. Why would I say I didn't do THAT if I did?
04:00 matey; he helped destroyed gnu/linux (imo) but he coudlnt have done it without LOTS of help
04:00 matey; im not a fan
04:00 mjg59_; DaemonFC: So a kid in Canada who'd never met you just coincidentally gave me your IP address?
04:00 matey; but death threats are over the top
04:01 matey; <mjg59_> Eh it took like hours to deal with that shit <- exactly
04:01 DaemonFC; Let's see, I got someone thrown out of the military under DADT for breaking up with me.
04:01 matey; its like tp'ing your home
04:01 mjg59_; I mean
04:01 mjg59_; I literally have the emails in question
04:01 DaemonFC; I mean, you get me mad enough and I'll figure something out and it'll be a lot better than some damned emails.
04:01 mjg59_; Maybe someone hacked you and used your computer to sign me up
04:01 mjg59_; But that doesn't seem likely
04:02 DaemonFC; You know a lot of people have said I was wrong about something, and if I really am wrong, I'm just as happy to be wrong.
04:03 mjg59_; Don't really know what to say other than that someone who'd never met you and who I hadn't mentioned your name to gave me the same IP address you were using to join IRC at the time
04:03 matey; mjg: if you know he did it
04:03 matey; and its pretty obvious
04:03 matey; and you fixed it in hours
04:03 DaemonFC; The only reason you knew the IP address was because I was on IRC that was logged and displayed in a public server.
04:04 matey; why try so hard to get him to admit it?
04:04 mjg59_; DaemonFC: No, I have an email from the kid in Canada with your IP address in it
04:04 mjg59_; matey: Eh some vague desire for closure
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04:04 matey; i mean some people just double down until theyre literally dead
04:04 DaemonFC; Okay, and if he saw the same log you did, he'd know it too.
04:04 mjg59_; Yeah it's not really rational
04:04 matey; ive dealt with people who took such bullshit to the grave
04:04 matey; oh, people arent rational
04:04 matey; i mean rational is NICE but its not common
04:04 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Uh he wasn't an Ubuntu user
04:05 mjg59_; He was some kid running a Quake server who IRCed with the people who set up Spamza
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04:05 DaemonFC; You remind me of Steve Gibson.
04:05 matey; i mean, you know what happened
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04:05 DaemonFC; Have I ever told you that?
04:05 matey; thats all the closure you need
04:05 matey; you can find people who can tell the obvious
04:05 mjg59_; matey: Yeah I guess it's just frustrating having someone repeatedly deny it
04:05 matey; oh, well yea
04:05 DaemonFC; Set up an entire website to complain that he was a security expert who got DDoSed by a 13 year old in Minnesota or something.
04:05 mjg59_; But you're right that it's clearly never happening
04:05 matey; i mean gaslighting is a bitch
04:06 matey; plus
04:07 matey; and im not saying this to defend anyone in particular
04:07 matey; but theres always a snowballs chance in hell he actually didnt do it
04:07 matey; sometimes when the evidence is overwhelming
04:07 matey; i mean, every day you put your feet on the floor
04:07 matey; because youre more or less certain its there
04:07 matey; its not a theory you really need to test every morning
04:07 matey; but i suppose if one day its not like that, anyone would be surprised, right?
04:08 matey; still it doesnt keep physicists awake at night
04:08 DaemonFC; It all rather seems circumstantial.
04:08 DaemonFC; Highly speculative.
04:08 matey; because some things really are pretty obvious
04:08 DaemonFC; I'd go as far as to say prejudicial even.
04:09 matey; meaning you dont have to spend your whole life second guessing everything infiniately
04:09 matey; it wouldnt even be sane to do so
04:09 matey; sometimes you can settle on the obvious and move on, at least until really exceptional evidence to the contrary comes along
04:09 DaemonFC; I'm just sitting here with the popcorn waiting for San Francisco to be ruined by the next dotcom bubble bursting.
04:09 mjg59_; A third party with no link to you gave me your IP address
04:10 mjg59_; That's literally not circumstantial
04:10 DaemonFC; These app companies are going bye bye soon.
04:10 matey; but there seem to be exceptions to every rule
04:10 DaemonFC; The only reason any of this went on so long is because of basically free money.
04:10 DaemonFC; Everything in the real world here is grinding to a halt. It was already there from when times were better, it's seen better days, and it's rotting away.
04:11 DaemonFC; Like my house my grandfather built.
04:11 DaemonFC; Nobody has any money to keep these things going because the real economy died a long time ago.
04:11 DaemonFC; So they just throw new paint on it every once in a while and let it fall apart. Live in it while they can.
04:11 schestowitz_TR; 1970s
04:11 mjg59_; Sigh this involves me actually digging out backups
04:12 DaemonFC; *the house
04:12 matey; mjg59_ <- if i were going to tell you what to do
04:12 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR, I'd put it more in the 1990s.
04:12 matey; i have a completely different set of suggestions, so this isnt about that
04:12 matey; but just as an idea
04:12 DaemonFC; There was still plenty of real stuff happening until the mid 90s, early 2000s.
04:12 matey; go somewhere, anywhere, to learn everything you can about cluster b personality disorders
04:13 schestowitz_TR; 90s was peak fantasy
04:13 schestowitz_TR; 2000 was first blowup
04:13 matey; for two reasons: maybe three
04:13 matey; first, youll understand
04:13 matey; 90s was peak fantasy <- oh i dont know
04:13 matey; first, youll understand the tech industry better than you ever have
04:13 mjg59_; matey: Ha for various reasons I actually have a bunch of experience in that respect
04:13 matey; second, it will bring you complete peace about this spam thing
04:13 matey; Ha for various reasons I actually have a bunch of experience <- i dont doubt it, this is about application.
04:14 DaemonFC; Nobody is having kids, the whole world is falling apart. Yosemite just got washed away.
04:14 DaemonFC; 5 states are about to have NO water.
04:14 matey; experience can be helpful and misleading at the same time
04:14 mjg59_; matey: It's hard to get a good read of someone's personality just over the internet
04:14 DaemonFC; And one mjg59_ is ranting about something that allegedly happened in 2008.
04:14 matey; theory can help sort it all out
04:14 matey; books, even youtube videos! can be VERY informative
04:14 mjg59_; Funny, I didn't say anything about 2008 here
04:14 matey; shed light on all sorts of little details that YEARS of personal experience could miss
04:14 mjg59_; Sounds like you have some awareness of the situation
04:14 matey; even if you saw them with your own eyes
04:15 matey; It's hard to get a good read of someone's personality just over the internet <- yes
04:15 matey; but behaviour is easier
04:15 matey; sometimes
04:15 DaemonFC; Err Yellowstone, I meant. Tired.
04:15 DaemonFC; Well, Yosemite is fucked too.
04:15 DaemonFC; They're logging old growth trees that have been there for hundreds of years so boomers can wipe their asses on them.
04:16 matey; for example
04:16 matey; once you can prove that youre up against every sign of just... lying
04:16 matey; the need to prove x is a lie mostly just falls away
04:16 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Anyway you did at the time talk about being in contact with the Spamza people
04:16 matey; not entirely... i mean, someone whos an alcoholic is always an alcoholic
04:16 matey; but they can also live without alcohol
04:17 matey; if you can prove within reason, even to yoursel
04:17 matey; that somoene will always lie
04:17 DaemonFC; I think I was trying to ask them what the hell was going on.
04:17 matey; the thing theyre lying about DEFINITELY becomes less of an issue
04:17 matey; it goes from being a thing that niggles at you to something you can kind of laugh at
04:17 matey; because you realise how silly people are
04:17 DaemonFC; But so many important things have happened since 2008 that I don't even remember the year 2008 that well.
04:18 matey; you also realise theyre just really fucked up and
04:18 mjg59_; Urgh extracting half a terrabyte onto rotating media
04:18 matey; ultimately theres very little revenge you could get that would ever be on par with them just being then
04:18 matey; of course
04:18 matey; youll still want to prove it :)
04:18 matey; only real difference is
04:19 matey; now it wont matter much if you never do :)
04:19 mjg59_; In this case I'm just going to try to find this one email and then that's it
04:19 DaemonFC; <schestowitz_TR> here's one reason to dislike cops
04:19 DaemonFC; <schestowitz_TR> they do "negative" things
04:19 DaemonFC; <schestowitz_TR> they disrupt crimes
04:19 matey; its unfortunate we are connected to an industry that is like 90% bullshitters
04:20 DaemonFC; Relying on the state for "protection" is a mistake.
04:20 matey; some because they like it, and several because they believe its a requirement
04:20 matey; (because it nearly is-- nearly)
04:20 mjg59_; When I die I'd like people to say that I was wrong but believed I was right
04:20 DaemonFC; Because when the people who have a hit out on me show up at my front door step, it's not going to be the police they need to worry about.
04:20 matey; well i already think you were wrong :)
04:21 matey; its at least possible you believed you were right
04:21 mjg59_; Yeah it's really about whether I was just saying stuff I actually disagreed with for some sort of benefit
04:21 DaemonFC; MARISOL took out a million dollar life insurance policy on my spouse (which I had to get canceled).
04:21 DaemonFC; THe police did nothing, even though she did it from her iPhone, using her real IP address.
04:21 matey; just know that
04:21 DaemonFC; And even though that's a felony.
04:21 matey; when i say that narcissism is curable but it depends ENTIRELY on the determination of the narcissist
04:22 matey; and it almost never happens (though it is possible)
04:22 matey; its NOT just a roundabout way of picking on you
04:22 matey; im talking about an industry here
04:22 matey; a complete environment of utter fuckery
04:22 DaemonFC; The "church" they're in is a terrorist group. If you tell Immigration Canada that church has a hit out on you, they'll give you a refugee visa so you don't have to go back to the Philippines.
04:22 DaemonFC; But they've killed at least three people in Canada, and a few in the US.
04:23 DaemonFC; I have absolutely no intention to go out like that, so I conceal and carry.
04:23 matey; i also think capitalism plays a large role in this
04:23 matey; but i avoided anticapitalism for as long as i could
04:24 matey; it was actually free software that made me believe libertarianism was a real possible thing
04:24 DaemonFC; I'd like to have at least a fighting chance if they come for me.
04:24 matey; and my brand of anticapitalism still leans sort of libertarianish
04:24 matey; but anti-corporate
04:24 matey; when you have an infection, pus can form-- happens all the time, no big deal
04:25 matey; an abcess on the other hand, is a real problem
04:25 matey; this is a metaphor for corporations
04:25 matey; theyre capitalist abcesses
04:25 mjg59_; matey: Y'know this is interesting
04:25 mjg59_; Free software was what convinced me libertarianism wasn't viable
04:25 matey; oh
04:25 matey; me too
04:25 matey; at first, they made me think
04:26 matey; look, this could work
04:26 DaemonFC; I have logs of John discussing with other men how they wanted him to come over and rape their children in front of them.
04:26 matey; but the events of 2018-present proved that wrong (imo)
04:26 DaemonFC; I'm sure the TSA found those interesting.
04:26 matey; i wont forgive capitalism for what happened
04:26 mjg59_; My anti-corporatism is still of the socialist type, which I don't think is where you are
04:26 matey; oh you dont think im socialist?
04:26 matey; thats ok, but i find it funny
04:26 mjg59_; Oh! Honestly it wasn't entirely clear
04:26 fuzzy; i think it is the consumerist/corporate interests, which destroy _technical_ qualities, of software
04:26 mjg59_; I guess we've never really talked about the role of the state in any of this
04:27 fuzzy; historically, software and computers were designed for: SCIENTIFIC work
04:27 DaemonFC; mjg59_, So your secret plan to defeat Capitalism is to write DRM for them?
04:27 DaemonFC; That sounds like a really crappy plan to me.
04:27 mjg59_; I'd interpreted you as being both anti-corporate and anti-state
04:27 matey; it always comes down to what you mean by socialism doesnt it
04:27 fuzzy; meanwhile, GNU/FSF followed too far along what consumers/corproations want
04:27 mjg59_; My partner's an anarchist, so I'm used to disagreement on this topic
04:27 matey; whats your take on ubi?
04:28 matey; not the most important question, more for fun
04:28 mjg59_; I'm conceptually in favour but suspect that most current tech-backed efforts nominally in favour of UBI are not good things
04:28 matey; of course
04:28 matey; i think in the short run its a great idea
04:28 fuzzy; if i may, ubi is a political scam... if ubi doesn't pay rent, nor does it imply any "right to work"
04:29 matey; i woudlnt opposse it
04:29 matey; <fuzzy> <- funny that you support "right to work"
04:29 matey; which is also a great idea
04:29 fuzzy; it's just, the bureaucratic apparatus, of the state, who had some responsibility, to plan and organize work/employment
04:29 fuzzy; with surrounding social legislation, are relieved, then, from any responsibility
04:29 fuzzy; UBI, eat or die, we don't care...
04:30 matey; mj59_ if we disagree on socialism
04:30 matey; its because you think socialism depends on the state
04:30 matey; which it SORT OF DOES, in the short tun
04:30 matey; run
04:30 matey; and i dont think thats a problem
04:30 matey; in the long run the state is irrelevant
04:30 matey; and in the short run its unavoidable
04:30 matey; people trying to get rid of the state as the first step-- that will never work
04:31 matey; its like trying to take off training wheels before you can move your legs
04:31 matey; wtf is that going to achieve?
04:31 matey; if people make socialism work
04:32 matey; they wont have to worry about the state
04:32 matey; it will have served its purpose
04:33 mjg59_; Sorry to pause this the dog just threw up on the rug
04:33 matey; the dog just threw up on the rug <- they do that
04:43 mjg59_; The dog is bigger than me, so it's kind of an elaborate thing to deal with
04:43 matey; oh yeah
04:44 matey; even small dogs can create incredible amounts of it, not unlike babies
04:44 matey; lending credence to the many-worlds hypothesis, because where else does all that shit come from
04:46 matey; i know a dog (not mine) that thinks hes a goat
04:46 matey; and so he keeps eating things that needs surgically removed
04:46 mjg59_; I managed to scoot them off the rug halfway through so it could have been worse
04:46 mjg59_; And at least we have a pet vacuum for this purpose
04:46 matey; theres a good product idea, honestly
04:48 matey; my second least favourite page on the gnu website https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html
04:48 TR Bot; Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
04:48 matey; there are some good points of course
04:48 mjg59_; iRobot's entire advertising program for their new Roombas is that they can recognise pet waste before running into it and smearing it everywhere
04:49 matey; my issue with irobot of course is they make houseplans available to some internet-based entity
04:49 matey; which for me is a dealbreaker
04:49 matey; theyre also non-free
04:49 matey; other than these two things i think irobot is fucking cool shit
04:49 matey; but i wouldnt own one
04:50 matey; i would expect everyone who works on self-driving cars to
04:50 matey; because theyre self-driving hoovers
04:50 matey; granted if a car self-drove itself anything like a roomba
04:50 matey; people would have already switched back to horse and buggies
04:51 matey; "yeah it shits everywhere but at least it knows where its going!"
04:51 mjg59_; Roombas are kind of like Teslas now - trying to solve everything with vision
04:51 matey; somehow thats worse
04:52 mjg59_; Neatos use lidar instead, which is more like most other autonomus vehicle approaches
04:52 matey; i thought tesla used lidar too
04:52 mjg59_; Nope
04:52 matey; there you have it
04:52 mjg59_; They used to have radar as well, but dropped it last year because of supply chain issues
04:52 matey; oh ok
04:52 mjg59_; Elon's super anti-lidar
04:53 mjg59_; His argument is that humans can drive without lidar, so what can't a car
04:53 matey; any particular reason?
04:53 mjg59_; And the obvious answer is that humans are better at this than a fairly low power embedded ARM with some custom logic
04:53 mjg59_; Also, humans drive into things a lot
04:54 mjg59_; To be fair Tesla's trying to solve a much harder problem than the rest of the industry and if they're successful then fair play
04:55 mjg59_; But I don't think anyone who works on this stuff outside Tesla is optimistic (I should say that I don't have much insight into the actual autonomy stack on our products so this is not a super-informed opinion)
04:55 matey; is the rest of the industry focusing more exclusively on "obstacle avoidance" or something?
04:55 mjg59_; Basically everyone else is video + radar + lidar
04:55 mjg59_; Get as much information as possible and throw it into a much bigger computer than Tesla use
04:56 matey; mmhmm
04:57 mjg59_; Radar does make things harder - it's really hard to distinguish between stationary objects that are actually on the road and stationary objects that are around the road (like sign gantries)
04:57 mjg59_; If you use radar without using other information sources then you tend to end up ignoring stationary objects that suddenly appear
04:57 matey; that sounds bad
04:57 mjg59_; Like if there's a fire truck parked in a lane and the car in front of you pulls out to overtake it
04:57 mjg59_; Which is a significant percentage of the Tesla autopilot crashes
04:58 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> iRobot's entire advertising program for their new Roombas is that they can recognise pet waste before running into it and smearing it everywhere
04:58 matey; but what about others?
04:58 DaemonFC; These things are still fucking stupid.
04:58 matey; a more significant percentage?
04:58 mjg59_; matey: Actually a hard question! Everyone else uses lidar as well, which in theory lets you distinguish
04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
04:59 mjg59_; But the number of highway miles driven by Teslas is *way( higher than everyone else
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04:59 mjg59_; So I have a gut feeling, but I don't have numbers to substantiate it
04:59 matey; and you work for a related company but
04:59 mjg59_; As far as I know, only collision we've had is someone blowing a stop sign and driving into one of our vehicles
04:59 matey; theres no problem saying this about research
04:59 matey; even if it makes tesla sound better than your company
05:00 mjg59_; Like I said, Tesla's trying to solve a much harder problem
05:00 mjg59_; Making cars behave like humans
05:00 mjg59_; Except better
05:00 matey; and thats-- i mean your company wouldnt be unhappy about you saying that?
05:01 matey; is it just-- theyre more interested in the science than sheer competition, or hwat
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05:01 matey; its less interesting than the science part of it but im still curious
05:01 mjg59_; I don't think anyone in the industry disagrees with that
05:01 DaemonFC; I'd probably buy an electric Buick. At least that's a real company.
05:01 matey; /me nods
05:01 DaemonFC; If there was anywhere to plug it in.
05:02 mjg59_; But I don't think many people in the industry think the problem that Tesla is trying to solve is something that can be solved with existing tech
05:02 DaemonFC; Tesla will fail.
05:02 matey; ha
05:02 DaemonFC; In 5 years, we will go "Oh yeah, Tesla. Remember that?".
05:02 mjg59_; Everyone else is trying to solve an easier problem
05:03 matey; i like solving easier problems, personally
05:03 mjg59_; Which is "How do we drive on a subset of roads with a lot more sensory information than humans have"
05:03 matey; people that can solve harder problems, thats cool too
05:03 DaemonFC; How to make electric cars as a profitable company with years to get it right now that Tesla has worked out all the shitty alpha product bugs?
05:03 matey; its very much my approach to look for easier routes to problem solving-- within reason of course
05:03 DaemonFC; It's still a shitty beta project, but Tesla is a company that doesn't make profit.
05:04 DaemonFC; So they cut corners and they're super sketchy about how they treat you if you get a total lemon.
05:04 matey; occasionally, easier is cheap or worthless. but a lot of times its just "work smarter, not harder"
05:04 mjg59_; I mean, "Worse is Better" is kind of how Unix won
05:04 DaemonFC; One guy gave them $160,000, the battery was so defective that it couldn't get half the stated range, new, in good weather, so they said they'd take it back and refund his money.
05:04 DaemonFC; That was two years ago.
05:04 matey; thats what they say
05:04 DaemonFC; They're still taking payments out of his bank accoutn for a car he doesn't even have and stonewalling him about the "refund".
05:05 mjg59_; Shipping something that works and is easy to deal with is preferable to something that's conceptually better but compromised as a result
05:05 matey; i dont know if waterfall gave us anything i prefer
05:05 DaemonFC; Besides, gasoline engines have gotten much more efficient.
05:06 DaemonFC; There's people out there driving V8s with a SUV the size of a house that get better gas mileage than I do, and still whining about gas prices.
05:06 matey; i wonder if "worse is better" will/does apply to hardware or not
05:06 matey; it doesnt with dell laptops at least
05:06 DaemonFC; Of course, it takes so much technology, that the reliability takes a dump.
05:06 mjg59_; In some ways
05:06 DaemonFC; And you want rid of the car before the warranty expires.
05:06 matey; foom
05:06 DaemonFC; So there's a price to be paid for that "efficiency".
05:07 mjg59_; See how long x86 has been triumphant
05:07 mjg59_; Nothing about the design is good, but a combination of factors conspired to outcompete everything else for decades
05:07 matey; i think part of that is more about shady practices
05:07 mjg59_; It's good to see meaningful competition there now
05:07 matey; but it obviously works, im using it now
05:07 DaemonFC; Modern cars in general are all like $60,000 and even those fall apart.
05:07 DaemonFC; Just not as bad as their compliance cars do.
05:08 matey; as with network effects, having such a consistent platform has advantages
05:08 matey; and costs
05:08 matey; throw in what theyve done to stay relevant, and it can be ugly too
05:09 matey; meaningful competition is the only hope imo
05:09 matey; im not in a hurry to scrap my x86 stuff
05:09 matey; but it would be nice
05:09 matey; i wasnt in a hurry to scrap linux but it made me very happy to do so
05:09 mjg59_; Yeah I'll be glad to get off x86
05:09 matey; before i managed it i spent years talking about it
05:10 mjg59_; Except right now Apple's really the only vendor who has something competitive in laptop/desktop space
05:10 matey; being quite forward about the fact that i hadnt managed it yet
05:10 mjg59_; And I do appreciate that Apple aren't utterly fucking over free software on their new hardware, but still
05:10 matey; right now comes and goes very quickly
05:10 matey; right now if i HAD TO buy a self driving car
05:10 matey; im sure it would be a tesla
05:10 matey; which doesnt make me a fan
05:11 matey; And I do appreciate that Apple aren't utterly fucking over free software on their new hardware <- im sure theyll get to it
05:11 mjg59_; Dunno if Tesla started complying with the GPL yet
05:11 mjg59_; matey: They explicitly modified their firmware to make it easier to run Linux
05:11 mjg59_; I mean, they haven't documented anything
05:11 matey; yeah but heres the thing about that seriously
05:11 matey; people make gestures and peace offerings all the time
05:11 mjg59_; But they did ensure that their systems could run free software
05:11 mjg59_; So it could be a lot worse
05:12 matey; its still one of the largest corporations in tech
05:12 matey; and its going to act like that
05:12 mjg59_; Better than a lot of Android
05:12 matey; theres no loyalty to anything but profit in the long term
05:12 matey; oh android is shit on toast
05:12 matey; if you gave me $5000 to spend on android
05:12 matey; i wouldnt bother
05:12 matey; it would only be $5000 of crap
05:13 matey; unless it got me a pinephone or something
05:13 matey; then i might
05:15 matey; They explicitly modified their firmware to make it easier to run Linux <- this is a good business move
05:16 matey; /me thinks back to when dell jumped on that bandwagon, and how that worked out
05:16 matey; its not exactly the same because historically dell is pushed around more by microsoft than apple is
05:17 matey; but i still think apples move is similar-- a business move, like it could be anything else
05:17 matey; tomorrow it wont mean anything, theyre not in the linux business
05:17 matey; theyre in the apple business
05:18 matey; ibm bought red hat, and theyre still not in the red hat business
05:18 matey; theyre in the ibm business
05:18 matey; an investment shouldnt make people think they care about something
05:19 matey; theyre putting money where they think it will get them more money
05:19 matey; for as long as that lasts, which is very often not long
05:20 matey; people should think of investments like digging a well
05:21 matey; theyll go there until it runs dry-- then they wont
05:21 matey; people think "this means theyre going to care about the water table"
05:21 matey; no, it means theyre going to take water out of the ground, thats all
05:21 matey; thats the fullness of the committment
05:22 matey; people are wise to this, so companies now say "we are doing this because of a long-term interest in the sustainabilty of the water table"
05:22 matey; but of course thats bullshit
05:23 matey; extraction isnt caring
05:23 matey; business is mostly about extraction
05:24 matey; the history of capitalism is that when the well runs dry, they go where they can dig new ones
05:25 matey; sustainability costs too much in the short run. its at odds with their goals
05:25 matey; but the short version is apple doesnt care about one goddamned thing in the whole world
05:25 matey; it cant, it never will
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05:26 matey; it just extracts things
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05:27 matey; and it cares as much as hf/hcl cares about etching glass
05:29 matey; even if you take the most caring person in the world behind the wheel of something like apple
05:29 matey; its a runaway train
05:29 matey; they might be able to lessen the damage it does, while derailing the whole thing
05:29 matey; then someone takes the money and builds another runaway train
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05:43 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Yeah I'll be glad to get off x86
05:44 DaemonFC; Just as soon as Microsoft tells you which other platform they need you to help ruin?
05:48 mjg59_; Y'know weirdly the extent to which I work with Microsoft is driven by what other people want to work, not by what Microsoft wants
05:49 matey; it probably sounds like a square circle
05:49 matey; but id be more interested in not giving microsoft what they want, no matter what other people think they want
05:50 matey; you have to imagine what a world would be like without all these cults
05:50 matey; then do things for that world
05:50 matey; of course i realise that intermediate steps are also necessary
05:50 matey; just not all of them
05:51 matey; theres an infinite number of intermediate steps. if some arent ignored, it would take an infinite amount of time to traverse them
05:52 matey; if zeno were a douchebag, he would exploit this
05:52 matey; others do
05:53 matey; theres another practical example of zenos paradox
05:54 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox
05:54 TR Bot; Coastline paradox - Wikipedia
05:55 matey; i like intermediate steps
05:55 matey; the trick is knowing which ones to step on, and which ones to step over
05:56 matey; theres no way to get it right all the time
05:56 matey; you just have to get it right often enough that real progress doesnt take forever
05:57 matey; the opposite problem is too many shortcuts
05:57 matey; also leading to defeat
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05:58 matey; people probably know this on some level so they all have their own methods of figuring out which steps are important and which ones are a costly waste of time
05:58 matey; if you rank them, you see that some methods will never work
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
05:59 matey; some have shown real promise but obviously havent gotten us there
05:59 matey; yet
05:59 matey; the ones that will never work can be discarded
05:59 matey; theyre the ones promoted most heavily by parties who hope we never get there :)
06:00 matey; and some people who promote them are innocents who get fooled by the approach
06:00 matey; i believed in open source more than a decade ago
06:00 matey; it was an innocent mistake unaware of the real nature of open source
06:01 matey; its still a terrible idea
06:01 matey; one that will never work
06:01 matey; it has an infinite number of steps between here and user freedom
06:02 matey; reform isnt so bad
06:03 matey; if enough people count on it, it goes nowhere
06:03 matey; we need more than reform, because for every step forward they have more than that to send us back
06:04 matey; i didnt study ee but i think the term "impedance mismatch" applies
06:04 matey; so does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_(wave_propagation)
06:04 TR Bot; Wave interference - Wikipedia
06:08 matey; stallman had a revolutionary idea-- im not saying hes the only one
06:08 matey; the fsf is reformist, and at this point so is stallman (im not sure he was ever more than a reformer)
06:09 matey; oskar schindler was a very heroic reformer
06:09 matey; in a time of crisis, reformers can do a great deal of good
06:09 matey; imagine relying on a bunch of oskar schindlers to end the war in a victory
06:09 matey; no matter how good his deeds were
06:10 matey; they wouldnt be enough to change the outcome-- only to save handfuls of people
06:10 matey; obviously this is no condemnation of his heroic efforts
06:10 matey; only to say, if you want to change everything
06:11 matey; doing it little by little wont get us there, there have to be leaps forward
06:11 matey; settling for reform would be like
06:11 matey; the vitriol i have for mike godwin is mostly tongue in cheek, but i do wish he would jump in a lake
06:12 matey; at any rate, it would take more schindlers than we will ever have to change the whole thing
06:13 matey; we simply need something bigger than that alone-- if its the most a person can do, thats great
06:13 matey; its not a strategy thats going to win
06:13 matey; open source kept taking what we could do and cutting it in half
06:14 matey; id rather eat stir fry than choke trying to eat a giant steak whole
06:14 matey; but i dont need every meal i consumer turned into nano-particle pablum
06:14 matey; open source keeps making free software infantile and corporate
06:15 matey; its a counterrevolution
06:15 matey; baby stepping right off a cliff
06:15 matey; and its taken over everything
06:17 matey; oh, theres a fine parallel between this and what stalin did too
06:17 matey; stalin was in a hurry to get his 5 year plans done at any cost
06:17 matey; so everything got turned into quotas
06:17 matey; and then quotas would be expanded
06:17 matey; more progress! more progress!
06:18 matey; its a lot like measuring airplane progress by the pound
06:18 matey; what happened with these quotas was a hard lesson
06:18 matey; to push agriculture "forward" progress was measured in acres tilled
06:19 matey; there are so many analogues of this, in capitalism and in fake political progress
06:19 matey; acres tilled was just one way in which superficiality took over the big plans
06:19 matey; but because everyone was pushed to till as many acres as possible, they cut corners by tilling less deeply
06:20 matey; shallow tilling lead to crop failures
06:20 matey; crop failures to famines, and famines obviously to deaths in great numbers
06:20 matey; thats what you get for "acres tilled"
06:20 matey; thats what shallow measures of "progress" gets the world
06:20 matey; its deadly
06:21 matey; to say the least, its destructive and self-defeating
06:21 matey; but reform pissing matches still make gold standards of such things
06:21 matey; then wonder why people pile so much hate onto such mistakes
06:22 matey; whats to like about ordering everyone to aim at their foot and fire?
06:22 matey; people are going to hate it
06:22 matey; so they start shooting anyone who complains :)
06:22 matey; no wonder mincer thinks the only answer is for humanity to kill itself
06:23 matey; i mean its hard to blame him
06:24 matey; but every stage of human progress thinks its the last one
06:24 matey; and civilisation is pretty adamant about this
06:24 matey; you were nothing before you met me! you can be nothing again!
06:25 matey; it claims the only paths forward are the status quo and going back to what it was like before
06:25 matey; no other options
06:25 matey; i mean find a king who says "yknow, fuck royals, what fucking good are they REALLY"
06:26 matey; every stage of human progress thinks its the highest possible and its all downhill from there
06:26 matey; so you might as well get used to it
06:27 matey; we can still make some pretty amazing and stupid mistakes along the way though
06:27 matey; enough to convince mincer its pointless at least
06:27 matey; even if we do ever pull off something better
06:27 matey; hes going to win this argument in the short run either way
06:28 matey; and by the short run i mean the past few centuries...
06:28 matey; its a discomforting trend
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06:29 matey; i think if you focus on the past two centuries though
06:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:30 matey; there are hints at something better being possible
06:30 matey; and this not NECESSARILY being the last stage of human progress
06:30 matey; a lot of which has been glossed over and even rewritten
06:31 matey; because people REALLY want us to keep doing things the way we do them now
06:31 matey; even if it kills us
06:33 matey; if enough people figure that out, and take the right steps
06:33 matey; theres at least a possibility, however remote, we can do better than oskar schindler
06:33 matey; not for pride, not for competition
06:33 matey; just to save the human race
06:38 *schestowitz_TR back from sleep
06:38 TR News; New: Mr. Brishers Treasure by H. G. Wells gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/library/Wells/Brisher.gmi
06:39 TR News; "That bear remains on the couch to this day, slumbering softly but has never awoken. And the bluetooth mouse no longer speaks at all." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/joneworlds/bear-orange-juice.gmi
06:41 TR News; "What this says to me is that SSH speed testing is not trivial and has non-obvious results that I don't (currently) understand." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/SshFastBulkSpeed-2022 | Source: uni Toronto
06:41 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/SshFastBulkSpeed-2022
06:41 TR News; "As mentioned in my previous article, we do not use upstream build system to build LLVM in the base system, but hand-writen BSD Makefiles." https://www.cambus.net/differences-between-base-and-ports-llvm-in-openbsd/ | Source: Frederic Cambus
06:41 TR Bot; Differences between base and ports LLVM in OpenBSD | Frederic Cambus
06:42 schestowitz_TR; <matey> no wonder mincer thinks the only answer is for humanity to kill itself
06:42 schestowitz_TR; we are getting close these days
06:43 TR News; "For the past couple weeks I've been experimenting on the Blackbird to see what window managers and desktop environments seem to work well with Fedora on ppc64le before I try to migrate my main Talos II workstation to whatever I end up picking." https://www.talospace.com/2022/06/fedora-36-mini-mini-review-on-blackbird.html | Source: Talospace
06:43 TR Bot; Fedora 36 mini-mini-review on the Blackbird
06:43 schestowitz_TR; financially and morally bankrupt nations have nothing left to lose
06:43 matey; thats been true of north korea forever
06:44 matey; well obviously not FOREVER
06:44 matey; but for long enough to learn something about financially and morally bankrupt nations
06:44 TR News; "Himitsu draws inspiration from Plan 9s factotum, but polished up and redesigned for Unix. At its core, Himitsu is a key/value store and a simple protocol for interacting with it." https://drewdevault.com/2022/06/20/Himitsu.html | Source: Drew DeVault
06:44 TR Bot; Introducing the Himitsu keyring & password manager for Unix
06:45 TR News; "Most people dont need a history lesson to know that Google has changed; they feel it. Try searching for a product on your smartphone and youll see that what was once a small teal bar featuring one sponsored link is now a hard-to-decipher" https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/google-search-algorithm-internet/661325/ | Source: The Atlantic
06:45 TR Bot; Is Google Dying? Or Did the Web Grow Up? - The Atlantic
06:45 matey; as for russia it tends to collapse when it overreaches
06:45 matey; a lot of times it has help
06:45 TR News; Good for GNU/Linux https://www.itpro.co.uk/operating-systems/microsoft-windows/368320/microsoft-reportedly-blocks-russian-windows-10-and-11 | Source: IT Pro
06:45 TR Bot; Microsoft reportedly blocks Russian Windows 10 and Windows 11 downloads | IT PRO
06:45 matey; but its had one gun aimed squarely at its own foot since the great depression
06:46 TR News; Surveillance https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-proposal-germany-takes-the-lead-in-defending-confidentiality-of-communications/ | Source: Patrick Breyer
06:46 TR Bot; EU chat control proposal: Germany takes the lead in defending confidentiality of communications Patrick Breyer
06:48 matey; "theyve taken a classic direction, in that there is no direction" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UblSm_0sgb0
06:48 TR Bot; Tom and Jerry: Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory Nostalgia Critic - Invidious
06:49 matey; when shows lose their audience, they start doing celebrity guests
06:49 matey; chris martin on extras, in a show that didnt even exist
06:49 matey; stephen fry on... thats probably not fair
06:49 matey; or maybe it is
06:50 matey; either way, im sure theres going to be fun times at the fsf
06:50 matey; now with sunglasses
06:51 matey; deal with it!
06:51 TR News; Updated today: "In this talk I go over the old web (of 1990s and early 2000s) and how websites looked back then, fast-forwarding to the present day and the sad current state of the web, and some possibilities on where we could go from here if we would like to have a better net/web in the future for user freedom, privacy, and control." https://bndl.org/net-beyond-web.txt
06:51 TR News; xkcd: Superintelligent AIs https://xkcd.com/2635/ Source: xkcd
06:51 TR Bot; Superintelligent AIs
06:53 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166275
06:53 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
06:54 matey; i dont like nostalgia critic, hes like a cracked out mike nelson
06:54 TR News; Norwegian Meteorological Institute https://www.salon.com/2022/06/20/red-alert-portions-of-the-arctic-are-warming-much-faster-than-we-thought_partner/ | Source: Salon
06:54 TR Bot; alert: Portions of the Arctic are warming much faster than we thought | Salon.com
06:54 matey; but when hes right hes right
06:55 TR News; "This post deals with the claim that the challies.com article represents a genuinely Christian outlook on Bitcoin and blockchain." https://lukeplant.me.uk/blog/posts/the-christian-case-against-bitcoin-and-blockchain/ |
06:55 TR Bot; Christian case against Bitcoin and blockchain - lukeplant.me.uk
06:55 TR News; "Now we learn that Meta has been investigating Sandbag for possible misuse of company resources." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/sheryl-sandberg-leaving-meta-lean-in-feminism/661291/ | Source: The Atlantic
06:55 TR Bot; Sheryl Sandberg and the Crackling Hellfire of Corporate America - The Atlantic
06:56 matey; and according to the internet, mike nelson is also like a cracked out mike nelson
06:56 matey; which i suppose in fairness to nostalgia critic, is not an intended parallel (as far as i know)
06:57 matey; my mistake was thinking nelson is just a scifi host, but i guess its worse than that
06:57 matey; \_()_/
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
06:59 TR News; Building a Retro GNU/Linux Gaming Computer https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/building-a-retro-linux-gaming-computer-part-17-the-llama-master/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
06:59 TR Bot; a Retro Linux Gaming Computer - Part 17: The Llama Master | GamingOnLinux
06:59 TR News; "Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved on Steam Deck, a classic from back in the Xbox 360 days has a version on Steam and it works so beautifully on the Steam Deck." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/geometry-wars-retro-evolved-on-steam-deck-is-absolutely-awesome/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
06:59 TR Bot; Wars: Retro Evolved on Steam Deck is absolutely awesome | GamingOnLinux
07:01 TR News; Saying "Linux" instead of GNU/Linux" is technically, factually, legally false. Unless you mean just the kernel. Merely following the herd and excusing oneself because "everyone else does it" isn't a statement of merit. Quite the opposite. It means social blending was raised about simple facts.
07:02 TR News; "Another update to the free and open source app ProtonUp-Qt giving you a proper user interface for downloading GE-Proton, Luxtorpeda, Wine-GE and others for Steam Deck and GNU/Linux." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/proton-and-wine-updater-protonup-qt-now-shows-anti-cheat-status/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:02 TR Bot; and Wine updater ProtonUp-Qt now shows anti-cheat status | GamingOnLinux
07:02 TR News; OpenNox: "Westwood Studios made quite a lot of games like Dune II and the Command & Conquer series but they also made an RPG called Nox, that now lives on with the OpenNox game engine" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/westwood-classic-rpg-nox-lives-on-with-the-opennox-game-engine/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:02 TR Bot; classic RPG 'Nox' lives on with the OpenNox game engine | GamingOnLinux
07:03 TR News; Microsoft chucks GNOME $10,000 for "political capture" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166130#comment-34077
07:03 TR Bot; OSI and GNOME (and Microsoft Bribes) | Tux Machines
07:05 TR News; Corporates/corporations NEVER give money for free. They cannot. They'd get sued by shareholders. Re GNOME: http://techrights.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation
07:05 TR Bot; GNOME Foundation - Techrights
07:05 TR News; "Heroes of Might and Magic II game engine reimplementation, fheroes2, has another great new release out continuing to be the absolute best way to play this classic on modern platforms." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/heroes-of-might-and-magic-ii-reimplementation-gets-big-audio-improvements-and-ai-speedup/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:05 TR Bot; of Might and Magic II reimplementation gets big audio improvements and AI speedup | GamingOnLinux
07:05 TR News; "Initially an Epic Store exclusive, you can now play The Cycle: Frontier free on Steam and thanks to Proton on Steam Deck and GNU/Linux desktops." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/the-cycle-frontier-works-nicely-on-steam-deck-and-linux-desktops/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:05 TR Bot; Cycle: Frontier works nicely on Steam Deck and Linux desktops | GamingOnLinux
07:06 TR News; "After a brief stint at number 2 thanks to the popularity of V Rising, the Steam Deck has moved firmly back into place at number 1 on the top sellers list." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/steam-deck-back-to-being-the-global-top-seller-by-revenue-on-steam/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:06 TR Bot; Deck back to being the global top seller (by revenue) on Steam | GamingOnLinux
07:06 TR News; "voluntary departure or in the context of the current layoffs we see" https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/06/19/episode-328-the-security-of-jobs-or-job-security/
07:06 TR Bot; Episode 328 The Security of Jobs or Job Security Open Source Security
07:07 TR News; "This tutorial will explain with examples how to draw charts with LibreOffice Calc. You will need some data prepared beforehand." https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/06/libreoffice-calc-create-charts.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz
07:07 TR Bot; LibreOffice Calc: Create Charts
07:07 TR News; "When you need to create a table quickly, for whatever numeric data in it, you can always use RANDBETWEEN formula in LibreOffice Calc." https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/06/libreoffice-calc-create-random-data.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz
07:07 TR Bot; LibreOffice Calc: Create Random Data
07:08 TR News; "JasperReports is a Java class library" https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-jasperreports-on-ubuntu-20-04/ | Source: RoseHosting
07:08 TR Bot; to Install JasperReports on Ubuntu 20.04 - RoseHosting
07:08 TR News; "A while ago, we reviewed "Taskwarrior", a command line task manager to manage your to-do tasks right from the Terminal window." https://ostechnix.com/please-command-line-todo-manager/ | Source: OSTechNix
07:08 TR Bot; - A Simple Command Line Todo Manager - OSTechNix
07:09 TR News; "According to the company, the Dual-Port Logging Shield was designed for easy data transmission using any standard Arduino SD library." https://linuxgizmos.com/sparkfun-unveils-microsd-data-logging-shield-with-spi-and-usb-c-interfaces/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
07:09 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/sparkfun-unveils-microsd-data-logging-shield-with-spi-and-usb-c-interfaces/ )
07:09 TR News; Baack doors on chip https://linuxgizmos.com/aaeon-presents-new-com-express-modules-at-embedded-world-2022/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
07:09 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/aaeon-presents-new-com-express-modules-at-embedded-world-2022/ )
07:10 TR News; "Hello Linux geeks, welcome to the guide on how install Docker on Fedora 36 step by step. This guide also be applicable to previous versions of Fedora 35/34." https://www.linuxbuzz.com/install-docker-on-fedora-step-by-step/ | Source: Linux Buzz
07:10 TR Bot; How to Install Docker on Fedora 36 Step by Step
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07:12 TR News; I visited a friend who is watching Breaking Bad. Now clips appear on my YouTube? | Hacker News https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31800791 Source: news
07:12 TR Bot; I visited a friend who is watching Breaking Bad. Now clips appear on my YouTube? | Hacker News
07:15 TR News; 'The F-150 Lightning starts at about $40,000, but that's for the base model, and prices quickly climb with traditional pickup truck features. Schmidt paid about a hundred grand for his.' https://text.npr.org/1104920656
07:15 TR Bot; He's the first buyer of the electric F-150. Why he's the future of the car industry
07:16 TR News; IDG is crap. It is promoting a false dichotomy of NSA spyware only. GNU/Linux not there, not "proper"... https://www.pcworld.com/article/402141/chromebooks-versus-windows-laptops-which-should-you-buy.html
07:16 TR Bot; vs. laptop: Buying advice and recommendations | PCWorld
07:16 TR News; A happy solstice
07:16 TR News; Games: Building a Retro GNU/Linux Gaming Computer, Steam News, and Moving to GPL Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166276
07:16 TR Bot; Games: Building a Retro GNU/Linux Gaming Computer, Steam News, and Moving to GPL | Tux Machines
07:17 TR News; Julian Assange's Extradition to the US Approved by UK Home Secretary - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/06/19/1429235 Source: soylentnews
07:17 TR Bot; Julian Assange's Extradition to the US Approved by UK Home Secretary - SoylentNews
07:18 TR News; Pandemic brings out the worst in people and only corporations that choose to kill millions for the sake of patents https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2022/06/19/asian-americans-firearms-purchases-racism-covid-pandemic/7530782001/
07:18 TR Bot; The Detroit News
07:19 TR News; "The makers of the film "Hellboy" have scored a preliminary victory in Hawaii's federal court." https://torrentfreak.com/judge-recommends-150k-piracy-judgment-against-torrent-site-operator-220620/ | Source: Torrent Freak
07:19 TR Bot; Recommends $150k Piracy Judgment Against Torrent Site Operator * TorrentFreak
07:19 TR News; "A US court has ordered the former operators of pirate IPTV service Nitro TV to pay more than $100m in piracy damages to broadcaster DISH." https://torrentfreak.com/nitro-iptv-loses-100m-piracy-lawsuit-leaving-hollywood-studios-fuming-220620/ | Source: Torrent Freak
07:19 TR Bot; IPTV Loses $100m Piracy Lawsuit Leaving Hollywood Studios Fuming * TorrentFreak
07:22 TR News; This is for GNU/Linux https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/21/ingenic-t31-based-wifi-ai-camera-development-kit-promises-over-a-year-of-battery-life/
07:22 TR Bot; Ingenic T31-based WiFi AI camera development kit promises over a year of battery life - CNX Software
07:28 TR News; "Secure Boot" is a joke. It's NOT about security. It's a misnomer. https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/breaking-google-nest-hubs-secure-boot/ | Source: Hackaday
07:28 TR Bot; Google Nest Hubs Secure Boot | Hackaday
07:28 TR News; "There is an age-old tradition among hackers of just making it yourself." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/dont-mind-if-i-ski-do/ | Source: Hackaday
07:28 TR Bot; Mind If I Ski-Do | Hackaday
07:30 TR News; BGAs https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/working-with-bgas-design-and-layout/ | Source: Hackaday
07:30 TR Bot; With BGAs: Design And Layout | Hackaday
07:32 TR News; "A new EU certificate allows drones over 25 kilograms to fly beyond visual range in civil and military airspace. But there have been crashes." https://digit.site36.net/2022/06/20/german-bundeswehr-heavy-drone-first-time-flies-in-regular-air-traffic/ | Source: Site36
07:32 TR Bot; German Bundeswehr: Heavy drone first time flies in regular air traffic Security Architectures in the EU
07:34 TR News; "Check out this handmade sign posted to the front door of a shuttered Jimmy Johns sandwich chain shop in Missouri last week. See if you can tell from the store owners message what happened" https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/06/why-paper-receipts-are-money-at-the-drive-thru/ | Source: Krebs On Security
07:34 TR Bot; Why Paper Receipts are Money at the Drive-Thru Krebs on Security
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07:37 TR News; "[Rostislav Persion] has for some time been interested in making small, portable EMP devices capable of interfering with nearby electronics." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/scrambling-pocket-calculators-made-easy-with-emp-box-v2/ | Source: Hackaday
07:37 TR Bot; Pocket Calculators Made Easy With EMP Box V2 | Hackaday
07:37 schestowitz; [05:48] <mjg59_> Y'know weirdly the extent to which I work with Microsoft is driven by what other people want to work, not by what Microsoft wants
07:37 schestowitz; the net effect is not helpful
07:37 schestowitz; there are many analogies that go here
07:37 schestowitz; with military examples, too
07:38 schestowitz; anyway, thanks for the honest chat
07:38 schestowitz; I don't resent you
07:38 schestowitz; and I think security leadership does need relevant qualification
07:38 schestowitz; I cannot just becomes Physician/GP without going to medical school
07:39 schestowitz; saying "I'm a doctor" is not sufficient, one needs to go through all the basics, which can take years, before even getting direct experience with patience
07:39 schestowitz; *patients
07:39 TR News; Arduino https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/blinking-an-arduino-led-in-julia/ | Source: Hackaday
07:39 TR Bot; An Arduino LED, In Julia | Hackaday
07:40 mjg59_; CS degrees don't teach you security
07:40 TR News; "Debra Ansell of [GeekMomProjects] fame came up with a neat, 3D design that prints flat and then folds up into everyones favorite Platonic solid: a D12" https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/wonderful-foldable-printable-dodecahedron/ | Source: Hackaday
07:40 TR Bot; Foldable Printable Dodecahedron | Hackaday
07:40 schestowitz_TR; security is not a product
07:40 schestowitz_TR; it's a conditionb
07:40 mjg59_; Security involves you understanding a bunch of things
07:40 schestowitz_TR; right
07:40 schestowitz_TR; like networking
07:40 mjg59_; You need to understand the underlying hardware, you need to understand code, and you need to understand how people interact with all of these
07:41 schestowitz_TR; and if you star without that basis, you can get many things wrong
07:41 mjg59_; And CS degrees do very little to teach you the relevant aspects of any of these things
07:41 TR News; Antivaxxers... the real ones https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/06/20/justin-bieber-his-ramsey-hunt-syndrome-is-not-due-to-vaccines/ | Source: Orac
07:41 schestowitz_TR; mjg59_: they push bad things now
07:42 schestowitz_TR; not limited to what you specify
07:42 schestowitz_TR; today's CSD syllabus is training
07:42 schestowitz_TR; not teaching
07:42 schestowitz_TR; it was already getting worse when I did it
07:42 schestowitz_TR; like one course that taught some spreadsheetss
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07:43 schestowitz_TR; macros..
07:43 schestowitz_TR; and now we have browsers that execute random code from the web
07:43 schestowitz_TR; and are far too bloated
07:43 mjg59_; When I teach OS security I focus on the need to understand you can't build a secure environment on an inscure base
07:44 mjg59_; But also that you can't demand that users behave perfectly in order to preserve security
07:44 schestowitz_TR; like western chips?
07:44 schestowitz_TR; you cannot say that in redbrick unis
07:44 mjg59_; Awfully bold of you to assume western chips are more secure than any other chips
07:44 schestowitz_TR; mention back doors and you are in "crank" territory
07:44 schestowitz_TR; even when evidence exists
07:45 schestowitz_TR; these institutions reward to relay lies
07:45 schestowitz_TR; and western fake security
07:45 mjg59_; At some point the decision isn't "Is this perfectly secure", it's "If this isn't secure, will it be used against me"
07:45 schestowitz_TR; the idea of "just enough"... "almost security"
07:45 schestowitz_TR; do they give courses on NSA spying programs?
07:45 schestowitz_TR; they are NOT interested in real seuciryt
07:45 mjg59_; I do cover NSA-related attacks!
07:45 schestowitz_TR; the US government actively CURTAILS encryption
07:46 mjg59_; I'm a little constrained in that respect because some of my students have security clearances and the US has awkward regulations here
07:46 schestowitz_TR; http://techrights.org/2021/11/29/teaching-cybersecurity/
07:46 TR Bot; Dr. Andy Farnell on Teaching Cybersecurity in an Age of Fake Security | Techrights
07:46 schestowitz_TR; <mjg59_> I'm a little constrained in that respect because some of my students have security clearances and the US has awkward regulations here
07:46 schestowitz_TR; see?
07:46 mjg59_; Yeah I live in a society
07:46 schestowitz_TR; iow, they actively would work to UNDERMINE security
07:47 schestowitz_TR; and that's part of the problem
07:47 schestowitz_TR; like the person whoo says, I didn't know this bomb would be used there... and like this
07:47 mjg59_; That's not what I said?
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07:47 schestowitz_TR; or... I was working for my boss... didn't realise it would help Microsoft
07:47 schestowitz_TR; mjg59_> Yeah I live in a society
07:47 mjg59_; Anyone with a security clearance who sees something that was classified without having clearance to do so has to report it
07:47 schestowitz_TR; be a bit bold
07:47 schestowitz_TR; try to correct it
07:47 schestowitz_TR; from the inside, too, it is possible
07:47 mjg59_; So I can talk about what happened, but can't point them at primary sources
07:48 schestowitz_TR; "security" as taught today is not security
07:48 schestowitz_TR; it's marketing of worthless proprietary crap
07:48 mjg59_; Because otherwise they'd need to report themselves to the government
07:48 mjg59_; And that's kind of a pain
07:48 mjg59_; (I'd be fine)
07:48 schestowitz_TR; so "defence" industry messes up seucierty education
07:48 mjg59_; So I have to point at secondary sources instead
07:48 schestowitz_TR; that's what's happening
07:49 mjg59_; Eh at this point it doesn't matter much
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07:49 mjg59_; The Snowden stuff is too old to be terribly interesting now
07:49 mjg59_; It's really not state of the art
07:49 mjg59_; And the Vault 7 CIA stuff is just worthless
07:50 schestowitz_TR; <mjg59_> The Snowden stuff is too old to be terribly interesting now
07:50 mjg59_; They're about a decade behind the NSA in terms of interesting work
07:50 schestowitz_TR; false
07:50 schestowitz_TR; I complained about thsi repeatedly
07:50 schestowitz_TR; thhhe "too old" line
07:50 mjg59_; Look
07:50 schestowitz_TR; same for Microsoft crimes
07:50 schestowitz_TR; they STILL happen to this date
07:50 mjg59_; The relevant thing is "The NSA do this sort of thing"
07:50 mjg59_; Not the specific details
07:50 schestowitz_TR; the difference is, the government got invaded and quit caring
07:50 mjg59_; And that can be communicated without referring to the original leaks
07:50 schestowitz_TR; https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22995144/microsoft-foreign-corrupt-practices-bribery-whistleblower-contracting
07:50 TR Bot; Microsoft is tied to hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign bribes, whistleblower alleges - The Verge
07:51 schestowitz_TR; nobody was punished!
07:51 schestowitz_TR; <mjg59_> Not the specific details
07:51 schestowitz_TR; some students were teen when it came out
07:51 schestowitz_TR; you need to teach them the full story
07:51 schestowitz_TR; inc. how the NSA took down the Syrian Internet
07:51 schestowitz_TR; and invaded networks of Huawei
07:51 schestowitz_TR; to avoid p[articipating in Western propaganbda
07:51 schestowitz_TR; the goal should be to teach
07:51 schestowitz_TR; not indoctrinate
07:52 schestowitz_TR; or omit vital facts
07:52 schestowitz_TR; I learned this on my own almost 20 years ago
07:52 mjg59_; I need to teach them that the NSA (along with other high-level actors) are in a position to intercept hardware while it's shipping, to tap fibre in data centres, to exploit vulnerabilities they don't disclose to vendors
07:52 schestowitz_TR; by speaking to people
07:52 mjg59_; Teaching them about decade old examples doesn't help there
07:52 schestowitz_TR; they are not decade old
07:52 schestowitz_TR; they STILL go on
07:52 schestowitz_TR; and even worse things are done now
07:53 schestowitz_TR; we just don't have the latestr internal docs
07:53 mjg59_; Snowden's leak was almost10 years ago
07:53 schestowitz_TR; PRISM never got sccuttled
07:53 mjg59_; So
07:53 schestowitz_TR; now they have more aggressive programmes
07:53 mjg59_; The point isn't to talk about the specifics of any of those
07:53 mjg59_; Because they're old
07:53 schestowitz_TR; age does not invalidate facts
07:53 schestowitz_TR; they're not old
07:53 mjg59_; The point is to talk about the type of attack that you still have to care about
07:53 schestowitz_TR; they are CURRENT
07:53 schestowitz_TR; even the binney stuff
07:53 schestowitz_TR; his figures are out of data as it got a LOT worse since
07:54 schestowitz_TR; and you worked for that
07:54 schestowitz_TR; in a contractor
07:54 schestowitz_TR; called Google Inc.
07:54 mjg59_; You seem to be strongly arguing against something I'm not saying
07:54 schestowitz_TR; Not Alphabet Agency
07:54 schestowitz_TR; no, the point is,
07:54 schestowitz_TR; be honest to them
07:54 schestowitz_TR; youi know the snowden leaks
07:54 schestowitz_TR; but you play "safe"
07:54 schestowitz_TR; with non-solutions
07:54 mjg59_; Being honest includes "Actors like the NSA do this kind of thing"
07:54 schestowitz_TR; too much of the time
07:54 schestowitz_TR; and iirc, you were gullible enough to put those 'smart" things in your home
07:55 schestowitz_TR; what message does that send?
07:55 mjg59_; Pointing at documents where, legally, they'd have to immediately leave the class is not helpful
07:55 schestowitz_TR; they should be legal to show
07:55 mjg59_; They should!
07:55 schestowitz_TR; maybe not in that university
07:55 mjg59_; And, in fact, they are!
07:55 schestowitz_TR; nationalism is not education
07:55 mjg59_; But a condition of having a security clearance is informing your superiors if you see something you don't have clearance to see
07:55 schestowitz_TR; Thwe british did the same to the irish for that matter
07:55 mjg59_; It's fucked up, but here we are
07:56 mjg59_; Yeah kind of familiar with that one
07:56 schestowitz_TR; don't want to say nationalism to someone to whom it is not applicable
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07:56 schestowitz_TR; mjg59_: SO HELP US CORRECT IT
07:56 schestowitz_TR; sorry
07:56 schestowitz_TR; all caps bby accident
07:56 mjg59_; Ok
07:56 mjg59_; I have two options
07:56 mjg59_; 1) Show primary Snowden docs. A bunch of my students have to leave, and learn nothing
07:57 mjg59_; 2) Discuss the classes of attack, giving examples of how these could theoretically apply to current tech rather than stuff from 10 years ago. No students have to leave, they all learn something
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07:57 schestowitz_TR; you do not evcen need to show the raw document
07:57 schestowitz_TR; just be honest
07:57 schestowitz_TR; but I realise this puts jobs at risk
07:57 schestowitz_TR; I confront people at work about it all the time
07:57 mjg59_; Yeah uh that's exactly what I was saying?
07:57 schestowitz_TR; the facts are on my side
07:57 TR Bot; ( status 522 @ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/20/the-global-south-in-the-wto-time-to-go-on-the-offensive/ )
07:57 schestowitz_TR; the issue is, they are not properly informed
07:58 schestowitz_TR; so some of that is new to themn
07:58 mjg59_; I can discuss it and link to secondary sources
07:58 mjg59_; I can't show the primary sources
07:58 schestowitz_TR; we need to raise informed ciitzens
07:58 schestowitz_TR; but the regime does NOT want that
07:58 mjg59_; Which is exactly what you just suggested
07:58 schestowitz_TR; but it's risky
07:58 schestowitz_TR; it always was
07:58 schestowitz_TR; that's what mnakes an activist
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08:34 matey; schestowitz_TR age does not invalidate facts
08:34 matey; thats true
08:34 TR News; Proprietary, Openwashing, and Bad Security Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166277
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08:34 matey; we seriously need to do something about sputnik, before we lose the fucking space race
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08:35 matey; ive got george washington on the line
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08:39 matey; if sputnik comes around again, i think we can have enough cannons at the ready
08:40 schestowitz_TR; :-D
08:40 schestowitz_TR; you can see it with a Canon
08:40 matey; galileo has a device we can use to track its path
08:40 schestowitz_TR; "a 5g"
08:41 matey; i was going to say a telescope, but a few grand wont hurt either
08:41 matey; fortunately all these facts are still of the highest relevance to the present situation
08:42 matey; if we always do what weve always done, we will remain victorias
08:42 matey; at least every victoria will
08:42 matey; and maybe julie andrews
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08:47 matey; i also think teaching class of attack is more important than showing actual documents
08:47 matey; the documents have been around for ages
08:48 matey; well-established journalists have literally written books about them
08:48 matey; teaching class of attack has both political and practical value
08:48 matey; showing the documents isnt going to teach most people what to do about them, so less practical
08:49 matey; fortunately its not an either/or question in the first place
08:49 matey; some people can show the documents, some people can teach the class of attack
08:50 matey; and others can insinuate that both jobs must fall to everyone, or the people teaching actual practical lessons around it arent doing their job
08:50 matey; even while failing to do the other half themselves
08:53 matey; i believe mjg and dr farnell both teach about this in the uk
08:54 matey; im going to hazard a guess that dr farnells approach is actually closer to mjgs approach (with differences of course, as is to be expected between two different people) than it is to what roy proposes
08:54 matey; OTOH, perhaps dr farnell already does what roy proposes, thus demonstrating that mjgs objections are unfounded or inaccurate
08:54 matey; but i bet he doesnt
08:56 matey; id be happy to critique mjgs teaching if i could find a problem with it-- i bet i wouldnt agree with what he teaches about secure boot and all that stuff
08:56 matey; id probably side with farnell or our other resident hardware guru on that matter
08:57 matey; my guess (this is only a guess) is that farnell would call it snake oil
08:57 matey; but maybe he would say its not entirely a bad idea
08:57 matey; funnily enough, i dont know anyone that thinks its an ENTIRELY bad idea
08:57 matey; only that the control over it goes against its usefulness or any desire someone like myself might have to
08:58 matey; i dont even want to buy something that gives microsoft an unfair edge, id personally rather boycott it
08:58 matey; but if it wasnt done in a way that clearly gives them an advantage (in practice)
08:58 matey; even i dont think the idea itself is useless
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08:59 matey; as long as microsoft controls it (even as much as they do, which isnt completely nor does it need to be) i think its snake oil
09:00 matey; if i were doing devils advocate i might argue that if on average it does more good than harm... though thats not my position or my opinion, which is that its snake oil
09:00 matey; at least in practice
09:04 matey; i think roy may have missed the fact that someone who may have access implied that there are newer things we dont know about
09:04 matey; which is probably true by default
09:05 matey; and it would be great (imo) if someone leaked those too, since so much of this stuff is being used in ways that are unconstitutional and illegal
09:05 matey; but whistleblowers dont come along every day
09:05 matey; the funny thing is, if such a whistleblower did come along
09:05 matey; class of attack lessons would still be useful and practical
09:06 matey; and then the snowden stuff really would be obsolete(ish)
09:06 matey; useful as part of a broader historical picture
09:06 matey; but being up to date on what the government is doing to its citizens really would be more interesting (most likely) than what they were doing a decade ago
09:07 matey; both are useful
09:07 matey; depending on the context
09:07 matey; that doesnt render the word "obsolete" into nonsense
09:07 matey; if you send the monitor and the merrimack up against a navy destroyer
09:08 matey; i can tell you which one is obsolete
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09:09 matey; if the person commanding the navy destroyer manages to lose in that battle, thats incredible
09:09 matey; in the future there will be many battles where people with lower-grade weapons are up against higher tech
09:10 matey; they might win
09:10 matey; sometimes
09:11 matey; but even then, they would probably rather have proper guns than muskets, even if they would use muskets if its all they had
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09:11 matey; outside of marketing, "obsolete" actually means something
09:11 schestowitz_TR; 'I am a soldier, I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight.
09:11 schestowitz_TR; George Patton
09:11 matey; okay
09:12 matey; you send george patton in, and good luck to him
09:12 matey; i saw norman schwarzkopf once
09:12 matey; on the national mall
09:12 schestowitz_TR; "In my role as Wikileaks editor, I've been involved in fighting off many legal attacks. To do that, and keep our sources safe, we have had to spread assets, encrypt everything, and move telecommunications and people around the world to activate protective laws in different national jurisdictions."
09:12 schestowitz_TR; Julian Assange
09:12 matey; my guess is he wouldnt win much these days
09:13 schestowitz_TR; of course they stole his laptops and other devices while he was unprepared
09:13 schestowitz_TR; he had handcuffs in there
09:13 schestowitz_TR; didn't get a chance to use these
09:13 schestowitz_TR; he had been set up by the embassy staff
09:13 matey; if it were up to me, what has happened to assange would not happen to anyone ever
09:14 schestowitz_TR; https://quotepark.com/quotes/1930455-richard-stallman-i-always-expect-to-lose-i-fight-anyway-and-somet/
09:14 TR Bot; Richard Stallman quote: I always expect to lose. I fight anyway, and sometimes | Quotes of famous people
09:14 matey; the thing between mjg and assange is personal
09:14 matey; you wont understand it with quotes that dont address that
09:14 schestowitz_TR; mentioned EFF
09:14 schestowitz_TR; when it was more functional
09:14 schestowitz_TR; "Context: I am a pessimist by nature. Many people can only keep on fighting when they expect to win. I'm not like that, I always expect to lose. I fight anyway, and sometimes I win. I'm not the main leader in this particular battle. The Electronic Frontier Foundation is fighting. Public Knowledge is fighting. People need to get involved politically. At this point people should go to the EFF website and the Public Knowledge website,
09:14 schestowitz_TR; and continue doing so over the coming weeks to see how they can get involved in this coming campaign. It's going to take a lot of people spending probably at least twenty minutes. If you care enough about your freedom to spend twenty minutes on it, if you can tear yourself away from whatever little job it is you're doing this week, and next week, and so on. Spend a little time fighting for your freedom, and we can win.
09:14 schestowitz_TR; Source: https://quotepark.com/quotes/1930455-richard-stallman-i-always-expect-to-lose-i-fight-anyway-and-somet/"
09:15 matey; richard-stallman-i-always-expect-to-lose-i-fight-anyway <- this is one of my favourite stallman quotes
09:15 matey; stallman was set up by the eff
09:17 schestowitz_TR; no
09:17 matey; balls
09:17 schestowitz_TR; eff did not set him up
09:17 schestowitz_TR; eff was set up
09:17 schestowitz_TR; by some people who changed it from within
09:17 schestowitz_TR; to become a permissive and lenient arm
09:18 schestowitz_TR; rather than what it originallly was
09:18 schestowitz_TR; EFF did not attack RMS before Barlow died
09:18 matey; by some people who changed it from within <- so
09:18 matey; that doesnt negate what i said
09:18 schestowitz_TR; depends on on what "EFF" means
09:18 schestowitz_TR; the founders are not there
09:18 matey; i agree with that
09:18 schestowitz_TR; it's like Mozilla now
09:18 schestowitz_TR; or LF
09:18 schestowitz_TR; LF is a bit different
09:18 matey; but that was my point
09:18 schestowitz_TR; in LF it's the corporations
09:18 matey; yours seems to be that the eff changed and therefore was not the eff
09:19 matey; therefore the eff didnt setup stallman
09:19 schestowitz_TR; In Mozilla and EFF politician factions
09:19 schestowitz_TR; beholden to the corporations
09:19 schestowitz_TR; yes
09:19 schestowitz_TR; eff
09:19 matey; in a way i agree with that too, but it hardly negates what i said in the first place
09:19 schestowitz_TR; is a namme
09:19 schestowitz_TR; like SPLC
09:19 schestowitz_TR; that name can be misleading
09:19 schestowitz_TR; before there were "Events"
09:19 matey; yes, eff has "freedom" in the name
09:20 schestowitz_TR; FSF also hasd quite a few disloyal insiders
09:20 schestowitz_TR; they were not disloyal to RMS
09:20 matey; it should be called the treacherous bullshit foundation instead
09:20 schestowitz_TR; but to the mission
09:20 matey; they were not disloyal to RMS <- but to the mission <- well this is different
09:20 schestowitz_TR; RMS just 'happens' to adhere to the mission
09:20 schestowitz_TR; afetr all, he founded the darn thing!
09:20 matey; he certainly did
09:20 schestowitz_TR; http://techrights.org/2021/04/15/richard-stallman-freedom-is-the-goal/
09:20 TR Bot; Richard Stallman: Freedom is the Goal (Updated) | Techrights
09:21 matey; incidentally its not impossible for a founder to betray the mission. i dont think thats the right word to describe what stallman did
09:21 schestowitz_TR; "http://techrights.org/2021/04/15/richard-stallman-freedom-is-the-goal/"
09:21 schestowitz_TR; "or cords tied around part of you. So, how are we going to get all the way there? Were going to have to make continuing efforts. And why would people do that? Only if they value freedom. If you want to reach a goal that requires a long journey the crucial point is to remember the goal. If you forget the goal, you wont get there.
09:21 schestowitz_TR; "
09:21 matey; i think he abandoned the mission, he didnt betray it
09:21 matey; i also think he was PUSHED
09:21 schestowitz_TR; now the goal is not what it was
09:21 schestowitz_TR; even RMS made some concessions
09:21 schestowitz_TR; on a number of key things
09:21 matey; everyone makes concessions, its a matter of the nature and justification
09:21 schestowitz_TR; to the point where some other groups seem more pro-SF than the FSF
09:21 matey; past a point there is no justification
09:22 matey; but there are always SOME concesssions
09:22 matey; there are no perfect people or perfect orgs
09:22 matey; this was true even when the fsf did its job
09:22 matey; it doesnt anymore
09:22 matey; to the point where some other groups seem more pro-SF than the FSF <- far too few imo
09:22 *schestowitz_TR checks current fsf patron
09:22 schestowitz_TR; actually
09:22 matey; i think this goes beyond funding
09:22 schestowitz_TR; let me check dictionary
09:23 schestowitz_TR; OK wait
09:23 matey; i am waiting
09:23 schestowitz_TR; so patron CAN be a slave owner
09:24 matey; haha
09:24 schestowitz_TR; 191\3 Webster
09:24 matey; maybe "patron" is the real thing ibm left over
09:24 schestowitz_TR; FSF: we have a slaveowners page
09:24 schestowitz_TR; we are slaves to them
09:24 matey; look up "custom"
09:24 matey; its part of ICE
09:24 schestowitz_TR; but it would be provocative to state this
09:25 matey; but it would be provocative to state this <- im sure that doesnt bother you
09:29 matey; <schestowitz_TR> even RMS made some concessions <- he had the right idea about this too https://www.fsf.org/news/compromise
09:29 TR Bot; "Avoiding Ruinous Compromises" by Richard Stallman Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
09:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:30 matey; "Avoiding Ruinous Compromises" by Richard Stallman
09:30 matey; unfortunately, the fsf made a number of ruinous compromises
09:30 matey; the point of the article is very clear: not all compromises are ruinous, and the ruinous ones are the most important to avoid
09:30 matey; but they failed to do that
09:30 matey; so the article, while absolutely valid, is sort of moot now
09:31 matey; at least for them
09:31 matey; the fsf is ruined
09:31 matey; it is in ruins
09:32 matey; it has lost credibility, momentum, direction
09:32 matey; what amount of funding could give that back?
09:32 matey; what amount of marketing?
09:32 matey; and most importantly
09:32 matey; what amount of SWAG!
09:33 matey; "weve covered mt fuji with fsf water bottles to bring the world this important message:"
09:33 matey; "software freedom is important to users! so please sign up at microsoft github, thank you"
09:35 matey; as someone who was not only an fsf member
09:35 matey; but who purchased and wore a fair bit of "swag"
09:35 matey; i have some "creative" ideas on what they can do with those water bottles
09:36 schestowitz_TR; http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/patrons-not-criticised/
09:36 TR Bot; Companies That Cannot be Criticised | Techrights
09:36 schestowitz_TR; matey: I want your comment on this ^^
09:36 schestowitz_TR; it's s ddraft
09:38 matey; no promises
09:38 matey; ill read it
09:38 schestowitz_TR; I was busy picking the bits for it
09:38 schestowitz_TR; hence was inactive in irc
09:38 schestowitz_TR; at least social control media is no longer a "thing"
09:39 matey; ok heres my comment
09:39 matey; "the fsf has fallen for this, hook, line and sinker"
09:39 matey; (you dont have to use it)
09:39 schestowitz_TR; I can do
09:39 schestowitz_TR; what name to use?
09:39 matey; whatever pleases you. i cant actually stop you from quoting me.
09:40 schestowitz_TR; okk, anon'ed
09:40 schestowitz_TR; done
09:41 TR News; Companies That Cannot be Criticised | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/patrons-not-criticised/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/patrons-not-criticised/
09:42 schestowitz_TR; XRevan86: can you confirm Rusian media says Windows is banned for download?
09:42 schestowitz_TR; from Russian IPs?
09:42 schestowitz_TR; all the "latest" versions
09:43 matey; isnt that legally required anyway?
09:43 schestowitz_TR; I saw British sites relying on Russian language sources
09:43 matey; i mean arent there sanctions?
09:43 schestowitz_TR; this iis very significant if as true as reported in English
09:43 schestowitz_TR; matey: not until now
09:43 matey; then why was the fsf complying like a month ago?
09:43 schestowitz_TR; I've long wonderred when the Pentagon will figure out Windows back doors in Russia aren't worth it
09:44 schestowitz_TR; aand they would seek to disrupt Russia by cutting off the Windows "supply"
09:44 matey; especially when the nsa can do better backdoors in non-windows stuff than windows can
09:44 schestowitz_TR; fsf shuld move to canada is something
09:44 schestowitz_TR; don't think canada is that extreme
09:44 schestowitz_TR; re "export" of enxryption"
09:44 *schestowitz_TR checks distancefrom boston to toronto
09:45 matey; the problem with the fsf moving to canada, while i love the idea
09:45 matey; is they would become a different entity
09:45 matey; under different rules
09:45 matey; with the fsf name/brand
09:45 schestowitz_TR; Manchester is very near to Montreal
09:45 schestowitz_TR; even Ottawa isn't far
09:45 matey; i really think the physical distance is the least of the matter
09:46 matey; rhetorically its hilarious, but practically speaking id say its a non-starter
09:46 schestowitz_TR; like 200 miles a way
09:46 schestowitz_TR; a few hours on the road, depending if it's a "highway" (motorway)
09:46 matey; if they had done so 35 years ago, in hindsight, its not such a bad idea
09:46 schestowitz_TR; 1.5 hours on autobahn
09:46 schestowitz_TR; openbsd iss based there
09:46 matey; if they move george washington to canada, hes still very dead
09:46 schestowitz_TR; why not fsf?
09:46 matey; openbsd iss based there <- thats one of the things that would make it hilarious
09:47 matey; i dont think the de raadt deserves to be bothered that way
09:47 matey; but that old rivalry is just ridiculous enough that id be mildly amused
09:47 matey; also he can take care of himself
09:47 matey; which is more than i can say for the fsf
09:48 matey; there are actual benefits for the fsf being based in canada
09:48 matey; this is definitely a "too little, too late" idea, but in fairness, what wouldnt be
09:48 schestowitz_TR; https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=9/46.2435/-73.1744
09:48 TR Bot; OpenStreetMap
09:49 matey; yes its a wonder how close the northern usa is to southern canada
09:49 schestowitz_TR; one strong statement for freedom would be fsf saying goodbe to trumpland
09:49 schestowitz_TR; voting with the feet
09:49 matey; when you consider they share the usa/canadian border
09:50 matey; now heres a question
09:50 matey; with all my scathing critiques of them
09:50 matey; do i really think everyone at the fsf deserves to be put through all the fun of crossing that border?
09:51 matey; my guess is they would not be harassed too much as a group, so sure
09:51 TR News; The world changes fast. With countries like Poland, Norway, Canada, Taiwan and Turkey increasingly moving to GNU/Linux self-determination is improved. GNU/Linux is at ~5% market share this month, if one counts ChromeOS, globally http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/banning-windows/
09:51 TR Bot; [Meme] Finally, at Long Last, Microsoft Helps GNU/Linux! | Techrights
09:51 TR News; Patronisation remains a rather problematic phenomenon in the age of corporate capture a la Linux Foundation http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/patrons-not-criticised/
09:51 TR Bot; Companies That Cannot be Criticised | Techrights
09:52 matey; also i think its worse on the way back
09:53 matey; if they stay in canada its moot
09:53 TR News; "First of all, we must admit that DoG doesn't sound like a super bad idea (and it's a much better acronym) compared to DoH, and I'm not saying this only because I'm a Puppy Linux developer..." gemini://gemini.dimakrasner.com/dns-over-gemini.gmi
09:53 matey; bonus: they get into an even more heated dispute with fsf europe, for having the same initials
09:53 matey; "fsf, eh?"
09:54 matey; they would probably fsfc, or just (being the original, SORT OF) fsf
09:54 TR News; SpellBinding: CSHIOPE Wordo: RUNIC gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-06-20.gmi
09:55 matey; /me tries to think if stallman would be happier in mexico
09:55 schestowitz_TR; fsfe does not seem very active lately
09:55 schestowitz_TR; they perish ands struggle
09:55 schestowitz_TR; they lost a lot of respect among those whom trhey needed
09:55 matey; he might be taken hostage by cartels, but he should be used to that by now
09:55 schestowitz_TR; and now they try to remove my twitter account
09:55 schestowitz_TR; http://techrights.org/2021/12/22/fsfe-censorship/
09:55 TR Bot; FSFE Misuses FSFE Budget to Issue Frivolous Takedown Requests Against Critics | Techrights
09:55 schestowitz_TR; support fsfe
09:56 schestowitz_TR; give them money
09:56 schestowitz_TR; so they can get busy
09:56 matey; they lost a lot of respect <- what an absolute and terrible shame
09:56 schestowitz_TR; trying to derail crtics
09:56 matey; i understand hitler killed himself
09:56 matey; i say its never the ones who should, but the fact is
09:56 matey; its ALMOST never the ones that should
09:56 matey; occasionally we get lucky
09:56 schestowitz_TR; matey: maybe sometimes told him "you're part jew"
09:57 matey; and then its never soon enough :/
09:57 schestowitz_TR; *someone
09:57 matey; yeah i keep hearing that one
09:57 matey; but ive never found anything conclusive about it
09:57 matey; ive heard it many times
09:57 schestowitz_TR; no, something about a grandpa
09:57 schestowitz_TR; anyway, it's not an ethnicity
09:57 matey; indeed
09:57 schestowitz_TR; so you can find routes connecting anyone to anything
09:58 matey; but even if its not, its a pretty staggering hypocrisy
09:58 schestowitz_TR; https://www.statnews.com/2017/08/16/white-nationalists-genetic-ancestry-test/
09:58 TR Bot; White nationalists flock to genetic ancestry tests. Some don't like the result
09:58 schestowitz_TR; https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/white-supremacists-respond-genetics-say-theyre-not-white
09:58 TR Bot; How white supremacists respond when their DNA says theyre not white | PBS NewsHour
09:59 matey; rofl
09:59 matey; oh 21st century, you really are the craziest one yet
10:00 matey; it even started off nuts
10:00 matey; and hasnt backed down
10:00 matey; eggshell supremacists
10:00 TR News; Linux Around The World: Mexico http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165929#comment-34078
10:00 TR Bot; GNU/Linux: Arch Linux, "Linux" Around The World, and Linux Format 290 | Tux Machines
10:01 schestowitz_TR; they are not white
10:01 matey; theyre genetically offwhite
10:01 matey; but its funny because i mean
10:02 schestowitz_TR; unltil they lack some chromosomes
10:02 matey; its a mutation
10:02 schestowitz_TR; the "real" whites are albinos
10:02 matey; albino supremacists are easy to hold back though
10:02 matey; just put up office lighting and theyre fucked
10:02 schestowitz_TR; they don't SEE it that way
10:03 matey; the only albino i ever knew was indian
10:03 schestowitz_TR; (sorry, it's 2022, I cannot make such jokes)
10:03 matey; he looked white, really was asian
10:03 schestowitz_TR; even is albinos themselves find such jokes funny
10:03 matey; i always thought he bore an uncanny resemblance to john mccain
10:04 matey; no, seriously, he did
10:04 schestowitz_TR; thought exercise
10:04 schestowitz_TR; look at symbolic references to racism and slavery
10:04 schestowitz_TR; then connect those to LF logos
10:04 schestowitz_TR; I'm sure there are many
10:04 schestowitz_TR; all sorts of racist smbols
10:04 schestowitz_TR; colours
10:04 schestowitz_TR; that would really pain LF
10:04 schestowitz_TR; having to explin itself
10:04 matey; i mean the windows logo swastika, no ones going to top that
10:05 schestowitz_TR; like it's asking the community to explain itself
10:05 schestowitz_TR; for using terms like "blacklist"
10:05 matey; i think its silly, but if the shoe fits
10:05 matey; ibm and microsoft make more sense when you think of them as the same company
10:05 schestowitz_TR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_symbolism
10:05 TR Bot; Nazi symbolism - Wikipedia
10:05 schestowitz_TR; scroll down
10:05 matey; is there a window?
10:06 schestowitz_TR; odal for instance
10:06 schestowitz_TR; yes
10:06 schestowitz_TR; Windows 11
10:06 schestowitz_TR; 11: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Schutzstaffel_SS.svg/110px-Schutzstaffel_SS.svg.png
10:06 schestowitz_TR; that in itself can be truned into a meme
10:06 schestowitz_TR; Windows SS
10:07 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_(band)
10:07 TR Bot; Kiss (band) - Wikipedia
10:07 schestowitz_TR; they're still going
10:07 matey; deliberate, gene simmons is from israel
10:07 schestowitz_TR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation#/media/File:Linux_Foundation_logo_2013.svg
10:07 TR Bot; Linux Foundation - Wikipedia
10:07 matey; he thought he would appropriate it
10:08 matey; there are a lot of things i dislike about him, but that isnt one of them, id say its fair play
10:08 matey; ace is ok imo
10:09 matey; Simmons was born as Chaim Witz
10:10 matey; he got that name from his father
10:10 matey; so technically... hes only HALF witz
10:10 matey; (im sure hes heard that one before)
10:10 matey; actually you probably have too
10:10 matey; but hey now you have something in common with gene simmons you probably didnt know
10:11 matey; both your names end in the same 4 letters
10:12 matey; but his also starts that way
10:19 matey; thank moses and shiva i didnt make fun of his mothers name, she survived the camps
10:22 matey; this is fun
10:22 matey; The Beatles had a significant influence on Simmons. "There is no way I'd be doing what I do now if it wasn't for the Beatles. I was watching The Ed Sullivan Show and I saw them. Those skinny little boys, kind of androgynous, with long hair like girls. It blew me away that these four boys [from] the middle of nowhere could make that music.
10:22 matey; didnt know he was that much of a beatles fan
10:24 matey; :) he and paul stanley started another rock band first, but didnt like it so they tried to fire the band members
10:24 matey; that didnt work, so they quit the band instead
10:24 matey; all in all a reasonably good move for rock music
10:25 matey; as it led to kiss, which is hardly the worst band ever
10:28 matey; oh yes, now we get to why i dont think too much of him
10:28 matey; politically, hes a fucking idiot
10:29 matey; He supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq, writing on his website: "I'm ashamed to be surrounded by people calling themselves liberal who are, in my opinion, spitting on the graves of brave American soldiers who gave their life to fight a war that wasn't theirs... in a country they've never been to... simply to liberate the people therein"
10:29 matey; idiot.
10:29 matey; good bass player though
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10:31 matey; "Just as corporations have been involved with regulatory capture for years, effectively removing the teeth from regulators so that large businesses can do as they please, they are gobbling up young, intelligent, motivated people, and saddling them with a ton of corporate busy work"
10:31 matey; and corporate "ethics"
10:32 matey; which is like military intelligence
10:43 *schestowitz_TR back from the sun
10:43 schestowitz_TR; I have an idea for LF
10:44 schestowitz_TR; https://training.linuxfoundation.org/master-training-and-certification-agreement/
10:44 schestowitz_TR; lol
10:44 TR Bot; Master Training and Certification Agreement - Linux Foundation - Training
10:45 schestowitz_TR; it's easier than I imaginedd
10:47 schestowitz_TR; https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/to-master-tech-you-must-master-software-and-open-source-even-if-youre-apple/
10:47 TR Bot; To Master Tech You Must Master Software - And Open Source - Even If You're Apple - Linux Foundation
10:47 schestowitz_TR; ouuuuch!
10:48 schestowitz_TR; ity says "blacked out"
10:48 schestowitz_TR; racists!
10:49 schestowitz_TR; https://docs.linuxfoundation.org/lfx/insights/identities-and-affiliations/blacklist-an-email-address
10:49 schestowitz_TR; shoosh!!
10:49 TR Bot; Blacklist an Email Address - Linux Foundation Documentation
10:50 matey; " Whenever prudery takes itself seriously, it threatens repression."
10:50 matey; ^ rms
10:53 matey; A foreigner working in Dubai accused a used car seller of "ripping off" its customers, and was jailed for "insulting"
10:54 matey; at least one place really does it
10:54 matey; im sure its a very nice place
10:54 matey; you just walk around with a gun to your head all the time
10:54 matey; and everyone is ince
10:54 matey; nice
10:55 matey; A Danish woman accepted a complimentary glass of wine on an Emirates flight to Dubai. On account of this, she has been jailed there for a year awaiting trial.
10:55 matey; holy shit make up your mind
10:56 matey; here would you like a glass of wine? YOURE UNDER ARREST!
10:56 matey; good thing she didnt order the chicken, they might have cut her head off
10:57 matey; i know at least one vegetarian figures thats fair play :)
10:57 schestowitz_TR; i will add in ibm logo
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
10:59 schestowitz_TR; what other companies with nazi tries are in LF?
10:59 schestowitz_TR; not ford
10:59 schestowitz_TR; not GM
10:59 schestowitz_TR; coke
10:59 schestowitz_TR; "fanta"
10:59 matey; "blood of jews"
11:00 matey; if youre not a fluffy fan you wont know wtf
11:03 matey; "Our members are our superpower"
11:03 matey; pretty sure they mean bullshit
11:04 matey; they escaped from the destruction of their own planet, which exploded after the amount of bullshit reached critical mass
11:05 matey; and the light from our sun makes them super, super, super full of shit, more full of shit than a freight train carrying manure for monsanto
11:07 schestowitz_TR; IBM http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1920px-Linux_Foundation_logo_2013.svg_.png
11:07 matey; "Join forces with the community to create a force-multiplier"
11:08 matey; that multiplies forces with a joiner!
11:08 schestowitz_TR; watson http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1920px-Linux_Foundation_logo_2013.svg_.png
11:08 schestowitz_TR; wrong url
11:08 schestowitz_TR; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/ibm-ww2.png
11:08 matey; "Forms on this site are protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. "
11:08 matey; a comma would make that a lot more reasonable
11:09 matey; "lets eat dinner and grandpa can watch his game"
11:14 schestowitz_TR; where does it say that
11:14 schestowitz_TR; ?
11:14 matey; if you click on members
11:14 matey; it says "Forms on this site are protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
11:15 schestowitz_TR; http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/linux-foundation-words-hypocrisy/
11:15 TR Bot; Words You Cannot Say Unless You Are the Linux Foundation | Techrights
11:15 schestowitz_TR; have a look, mmaybe too stgrng
11:15 schestowitz_TR; but the nazi bit I lay on IBM
11:15 schestowitz_TR; more than LF
11:16 schestowitz_TR; that's not just factual but also widespread knowledge
11:16 matey; this is funny but
11:17 matey; to me it really feels like going in circles
11:17 schestowitz_TR; there are some circles there too
11:17 schestowitz_TR; or "flying saucers"
11:17 matey; lol
11:17 matey; each year that ive done this
11:18 matey; ive gone back and reviewed things, in light of whats new
11:18 matey; originally i was trying to help the fsf better itself, un-miss missed opportunities
11:18 matey; waste of time
11:18 matey; then i was trying to save it from itself
11:18 matey; waste of time
11:19 schestowitz_TR; "In 2011, Microsoft became a top contributor to the Linux kernel for the first time. Times have clearly changed. "
11:19 schestowitz_TR; https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/to-master-tech-you-must-master-software-and-open-source-even-if-youre-apple/
11:19 TR Bot; To Master Tech You Must Master Software - And Open Source - Even If You're Apple - Linux Foundation
11:19 schestowitz_TR; it no longer names author
11:19 schestowitz_TR; but I could check wayback machine
11:19 matey; In 2011, Microsoft became a top contributor to the Linux kernel for the first time.
11:19 matey; THAT is interesting
11:19 schestowitz_TR; it's probably jimbo linzem
11:19 matey; being the SECOND thing ive learned about 2011
11:19 matey; which i refer to as stallmans half-resignation from the gnu project
11:19 schestowitz_TR; sheela was aowkring for Microsofters around that time
11:20 matey; but imo it looks like a coincidence (it might not be. it looks like it is)
11:20 matey; i hope to understand your obsession with the lf someday
11:20 matey; theyre not irrelevant
11:20 matey; i dont mean why you focus on them sometimes
11:21 matey; i mean why you seem so hyperfocused on them (more than anything else)
11:21 schestowitz_TR; jim WOKE up in bed
11:21 schestowitz_TR; with Microsoft
11:21 matey; yeah
11:21 matey; many have
11:21 schestowitz_TR; maybe you don't see how far LF goes
11:21 schestowitz_TR; it monopolised events
11:21 matey; no, i dont
11:21 schestowitz_TR; almost
11:21 matey; thats why i said
11:21 schestowitz_TR; and workeed to crush "competing" events
11:21 schestowitz_TR; I was told stories
11:22 matey; someday i hope to understand that
11:22 schestowitz_TR; they want to monopolise the message
11:22 matey; i mean
11:22 schestowitz_TR; and we know who controls LF
11:22 schestowitz_TR; see the board
11:22 matey; this is really what linux has ALWAYS done
11:22 matey; it monopolised gnu
11:22 schestowitz_TR; so we must caution people
11:22 matey; it gave gnu to monopolies
11:22 schestowitz_TR; yes, gnu also
11:22 schestowitz_TR; gnu is PART of Linux
11:22 matey; heh
11:22 schestowitz_TR; but gnu started after 1991
11:22 schestowitz_TR; because "Linux" started 30 years ago
11:22 matey; i mean thats a narrative worth correcting
11:22 schestowitz_TR; gnu aka "dem linux commmmmands"
11:23 matey; just to get history right
11:23 schestowitz_TR; "mom, where's the code of lf in linux?"
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11:23 schestowitz_TR; "I searched all of linux, can't find it ;(""
11:23 matey; /me goes to look up when lf became lf again
11:23 matey; not 2000 obviously
11:23 schestowitz_TR; I meat ls
11:23 schestowitz_TR; *meant ls
11:23 schestowitz_TR; not lf
11:23 schestowitz_TR; although, lf too puts no code in it
11:23 schestowitz_TR; greeg k-h just backports patches
11:24 schestowitz_TR; linus hiomself says he writes no code
11:24 schestowitz_TR; at most he does some mock or pseudo code over email
11:24 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation Formation 2000; 22 years ago (2000) <- pfffffffffft
11:24 TR Bot; Linux Foundation - Wikipedia
11:24 schestowitz_TR; to explain to coders with examples
11:24 schestowitz_TR; but linus does not patch any code of his own anymore
11:24 schestowitz_TR; LF =2007
11:24 schestowitz_TR; faking their age
11:24 schestowitz_TR; like Manchester University using some phony UMIST date to fake its age
11:25 schestowitz_TR; and then putting that year in the logo
11:25 schestowitz_TR; LF is mostly OSDL people
11:25 schestowitz_TR; not the failing zemlin thing
11:25 schestowitz_TR; all they got from that is some specs and a mac fanboi
11:25 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Development_Labs On January 22, 2007, OSDL and the Free Standards Group merged to form the Linux Foundation
11:25 TR Bot; Open Source Development Labs - Wikipedia
11:25 schestowitz_TR; who is unfit to boss torvalds
11:25 matey; so 2007 they started doing this
11:26 schestowitz_TR; yeah
11:26 matey; and before 2007, osi was doing it
11:26 schestowitz_TR; it's the osl thing
11:26 schestowitz_TR; iirc, osdl is 2004
11:26 schestowitz_TR; cohen got too cllose to microsoft
11:26 matey; the merger was when lf was actually created
11:26 schestowitz_TR; he did several other bad thing
11:26 matey; and the merger was 2007
11:26 matey; before 2007 lf didnt exist
11:26 schestowitz_TR; and then he vanished for good
11:26 schestowitz_TR; hgard to find anything about him online after CSI/CIS failed
11:26 schestowitz_TR; LF is a lying operatiomn
11:26 DaemonFC; https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-weighs-a-gas-tax-holiday-how-much-would-consumers-really-save/ar-AAYFVWk?li=BBnb7Kz
11:26 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MSN
11:26 DaemonFC; LOL
11:27 schestowitz_TR; wikipedia is a good place to lie
11:27 schestowitz_TR; if you have PR people
11:27 TR News; Words You Cannot Say Unless You Are the Linux Foundation | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/linux-foundation-words-hypocrisy/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/linux-foundation-words-hypocrisy/
11:27 TR Bot; Words You Cannot Say Unless You Are the Linux Foundation | Techrights
11:27 matey; but i mean
11:27 matey; lf came in like american in wwii
11:28 schestowitz_TR; mohammad bin salman for prees 2024
11:28 DaemonFC; What I would do if I wanted to get gas prices down would be to tell the oil companies that they'd get prices down on their own, or I'd have the EPA increase their ethanol blending requirements so steeply that they couldn't do it and had to pay fines, and then use the money to send out gas cards or something.
11:28 schestowitz_TR; of course he never ran
11:28 schestowitz_TR; didn't get voted
11:28 matey; when osi had been doing this monopolisation shit for nearly a decade already
11:28 schestowitz_TR; they don'\t hold elections
11:28 schestowitz_TR; "i give you cheap oil... made of journalists"
11:28 matey; theres a pill for that
11:28 DaemonFC; I don't know why people who complain about gas prices don't just tune up their car.
11:29 DaemonFC; If they've been driving it a while, there's an extra mile or two per gallon to be had in there.
11:29 DaemonFC; Instead, they buy lotto scratchers and booze.
11:29 schestowitz_TR; https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/to-master-tech-you-must-master-software-and-open-source-even-if-youre-apple/
11:29 schestowitz_TR; "The one thing I left out is that there were plenty of suits in the room too, trying to meet, influence and hire the open source geeks that will lead the next wave of computing."
11:29 TR Bot; To Master Tech You Must Master Software - And Open Source - Even If You're Apple - Linux Foundation
11:29 schestowitz_TR; Siuits
11:30 schestowitz_TR; Planety of suits
11:30 schestowitz_TR; Suit: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/zemlin-tuxedo.jpg
11:31 TR News; RapidDisk 8.2.0 now available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166283
11:31 TR Bot; RapidDisk 8.2.0 now available | Tux Machines
11:31 matey; to master linux you must run macos
11:32 matey; i wouldnt head the linux foundation if i was just going to use openbsd all the time
11:32 TR News; DNS Toys: Daily use Tools and Utilities over the DNS Protocol Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166284
11:32 TR Bot; DNS Toys: Daily use Tools and Utilities over the DNS Protocol | Tux Machines
11:32 matey; it would be ridiculous
11:33 TR News; Mysterious GeckoLinux Creator Reveals a New Debian Remix Distro Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166285
11:33 TR Bot; Mysterious GeckoLinux Creator Reveals a New Debian Remix Distro | Tux Machines
11:33 TR News; Sipeed Lichee RV Dock Pro RISC-V SBC adds MIPI/RGB LCD connector, dual MIC, and BL702 JTAG+UART debugger Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166286
11:33 TR Bot; Sipeed Lichee RV Dock Pro RISC-V SBC adds MIPI/RGB LCD connector, dual MIC, and BL702 JTAG+UART debugger | Tux Machines
11:34 schestowitz_TR; matey: to boss torvalds you need to be unqualified
11:34 schestowitz_TR; it makes you vulnerable
11:34 schestowitz_TR; so your corporate masters can sack ytoou any time
11:34 schestowitz_TR; citing lack of competence
11:34 matey; i think theres a simpler explanation
11:34 schestowitz_TR; it's easier to control the conciously unqualified
11:34 matey; the whole thing is just a farce
11:34 matey; its just marketing and nonsense
11:35 matey; laughably so
11:35 TR News; IBMs (and others) front group, the Linux Foundation, does not adhere to its very own supposed principles, which it keeps lecturing us about http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/linux-foundation-words-hypocrisy/
11:35 TR Bot; Words You Cannot Say Unless You Are the Linux Foundation | Techrights
11:35 schestowitz_TR; matey: it is NOT even GOOD marketing
11:35 schestowitz_TR; it's as if the objective is to reduce geeks' allure
11:35 matey; "i liked the shavers so much... i grew a beard like those guitar players from texas"
11:36 matey; amish linux users group
11:37 matey; "we dont use linux, but we recommend you do!"
11:39 matey; linux farms (a bayer subsidiary)
11:40 matey; what is linux?
11:40 matey; at linux farms, we grow linux from seeds to your table
11:41 matey; linux is used in cooking and baking, as its oil produces a smooth texture and delicious flavour
11:41 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166287
11:41 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
11:41 schestowitz_TR; go to http://linux.com/
11:41 TR Bot; - News For Open Source Professionals
11:41 schestowitz_TR; scroll down a bit
11:41 schestowitz_TR; tell me,
11:41 schestowitz_TR; is this site about Linux?
11:41 schestowitz_TR; if now, what is this/"thing"?
11:41 schestowitz_TR; *if not
11:44 matey; its about github
11:44 matey; starting at the bottom of the list
11:44 matey; Test API interactions with Mockoon
11:44 matey; June 2, 2022
11:44 matey; mockoon: github
11:45 matey; next one: interpreting system log files, and more sysadmin tips (systemd, github)
11:45 matey; 5 Vim features for power users
11:45 matey; vim: github
11:45 matey; How to install JupyterLab on Linux <- github
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11:45 matey; How we use eBPF <- github
11:45 matey; maybe this one isnt github: How to interrupt the Linux boot process
11:46 matey; though thats probably systemd again
11:46 matey; its really just a link to the redhat website
11:47 matey; "the boot process stops in an emergency maintenance mode."
11:48 matey; so its about grub and systemd (the latter of which is github)
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11:48 matey; How to configure Network File System on Linux
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11:48 matey; another red hat article
11:49 matey; really linux.com is just an aggregator for sponsors (from the looks of it)
11:49 schestowitz_TR; yes!
11:49 schestowitz_TR; waitr
11:49 schestowitz_TR; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/linux-com.png
11:50 matey; If you've got more than one or two workstations, it's inefficient to set up your client machines to recognize NFS volumes by hand. Instead, use Ansible to automate <- github
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11:53 matey; yep, aggregator
11:54 matey; so basically its just an engine for diluting the linux trademark
11:54 matey; everything is linux
11:54 matey; if i sell tractors to the amish and i give them money
11:54 matey; ill get on the front page and say its linux
11:54 schestowitz_TR; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/camel-linux.png
11:55 matey; everythingislinux.com
11:55 matey; hey hey, if i sell ovens to germany, and give money to
11:55 matey; too soon?
11:56 schestowitz_TR; no, 30 mins
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11:56 schestowitz_TR; at 180 degrees
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11:56 schestowitz_TR; it's OK - LF
11:56 schestowitz_TR; they give "open source" drivers for the oven
11:56 schestowitz_TR; "it's opn github"
11:57 matey; naziwashing
11:57 matey; Tune it Up: Improving Redis Performance for Ampere A1 on Oracle Linux in OCI
11:57 schestowitz_TR; http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/diluting-the-linux-trademark/
11:57 TR Bot; [Meme] Linux Foundation is Not About Linux (Anymore) | Techrights
11:57 schestowitz_TR; draft
11:58 matey; redis: ibm + github
11:58 schestowitz_TR; Micro Business Machines
11:58 schestowitz_TR; Microguns
11:58 schestowitz_TR; miniguns
11:59 matey; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/camel-linux.png
12:00 matey; microsoft will buy it eventually
12:00 matey; of course they last time i said that, ibm did instead
12:00 schestowitz_TR; LT holds the trademark
12:00 schestowitz_TR; and can leave
12:00 matey; but since theyre the same company
12:00 schestowitz_TR; unlesss...
12:00 schestowitz_TR; "welll, he's dead"
12:00 matey; i think LMI owns it
12:01 schestowitz_TR; Linux Mark
12:01 schestowitz_TR; yeah
12:01 schestowitz_TR; but who runs that?
12:01 schestowitz_TR; they keep saying the person's name
12:02 matey; i really think linux is already dead
12:02 matey; not as a product
12:02 psydruid; The Linux Group
12:02 matey; but as anything useful to us
12:03 matey; lf is exploiting it
12:03 psydruid; the illegitimate heir to The Open Group
12:03 matey; but linux volunteered for it to be exploited
12:03 TR News; [Meme] Linux Foundation is Not About Linux (Anymore) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/diluting-the-linux-trademark/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/diluting-the-linux-trademark/
12:03 TR Bot; [Meme] Linux Foundation is Not About Linux (Anymore) | Techrights
12:03 matey; linus ^
12:03 matey; lie-nus
12:04 schestowitz_TR; to be fair:
12:04 schestowitz_TR; it's usualy not him edenying gnu existed
12:04 schestowitz_TR; it's people around him
12:04 matey; mmhmm
12:04 schestowitz_TR; what zemlin called "suits"
12:04 schestowitz_TR; while he himseflf weara a tux
12:04 schestowitz_TR; never uses "the tux"
12:04 matey; i wont forgive him for that "about hate" shit
12:04 schestowitz_TR; just wears one
12:04 schestowitz_TR; because... "the suits"
12:04 schestowitz_TR; nils torvalds is about hate
12:04 schestowitz_TR; look what he did in his youth
12:05 schestowitz_TR; poro-russia
12:05 schestowitz_TR; *pro
12:05 schestowitz_TR; linus does not want to comment on politics
12:05 schestowitz_TR; it would quickly land him in trouble
12:05 matey; nils is pro-russia, NOW?
12:05 schestowitz_TR; look up torvalds socialism cnn
12:06 schestowitz_TR; they asked him if linus was socialism
12:06 schestowitz_TR; or he was socialist
12:06 schestowitz_TR; and he started tip-toing all overe
12:06 psydruid; it has merged with The 'Ndrangheta Group
12:06 schestowitz_TR; *toeing
12:06 schestowitz_TR; https://yewtu.be/vi/isolAS66Puw/mqdefault.jpg
12:07 schestowitz_TR; one month ago: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=isolAS66Puw
12:07 TR Bot; Could Finland outgun Russia? | Nils Torvalds - Invidious
12:07 schestowitz_TR; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dr_jTob_TwA
12:07 TR Bot; Nils Torvalds 09 March 2022 plenary speech on security of Europe - Invidious
12:07 schestowitz_TR; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2k0jkQMTRDI
12:07 TR Bot; Nils Torvalds EUdebates European security and the EU's role in a changing world - Invidious
12:07 schestowitz_TR; he has only 53 subscribers in gulagtube https://yewtu.be/channel/UCT_JXe1Xb5JNZqLNfOi3gsg
12:07 TR Bot; MEP Nils Torvalds - Invidious
12:07 matey; im not getting useful results
12:07 schestowitz_TR; about the same number of views as spamnil
12:07 schestowitz_TR; around 20
12:08 schestowitz_TR; maybe he shoiuld speak to spamnil
12:08 schestowitz_TR; these days scsamnil contacts some scammersa
12:08 schestowitz_TR; they run clickfarms on his videos
12:08 schestowitz_TR; no comments, no likes
12:08 schestowitz_TR; thousands of FAKE views
12:08 schestowitz_TR; I showed rianne and she loled
12:08 schestowitz_TR; it's veyr easy to see
12:09 schestowitz_TR; surprisingly few videos
12:09 matey; linux.com should have a channel on rutube.ru
12:09 schestowitz_TR; nils is popular in .fi
12:09 schestowitz_TR; and more famous because of his son
12:09 schestowitz_TR; and yet few videos and subscrbers
12:10 schestowitz_TR; kind of sad, not worth the time it takes him to upload
12:10 schestowitz_TR; he had uploaded for nearly 4 years
12:10 schestowitz_TR; his oldest video is stuck at 26 views
12:11 schestowitz_TR; FT speaks to the "exprts" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6b89jcNqgJo
12:11 TR Bot; Henry Kissinger: We are now living in a totally new era | FT - Invidious
12:11 matey; maybe he should give money to linux.com
12:11 schestowitz_TR; FT.. funded by billG
12:11 schestowitz_TR; bribed
12:11 schestowitz_TR; and by EPO too
12:11 schestowitz_TR; FT = mountain of bribes
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12:11 schestowitz_TR; and some subscribers
12:11 schestowitz_TR; and forced subscriptions through airlines
12:12 schestowitz_TR; that put this sepia yellowing paper at the entrance at the plane
12:12 matey; the ussr really has fallen
12:12 matey; youre supposed to put a big throw rug at the entrance
12:13 matey; i fucking love it when they do that
12:14 TR News; "But suppose that your current directory, /whatever/foo, is a symlink, and some other process has deleted and recreated foo." gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-06-21_Go_where_.gmi
12:14 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=34XymEDY9Wc
12:14 TR Bot; Entering A Mysterious Exclave You've Never Heard Of ( In A Soviet Bi-plane ) - Invidious
12:16 schestowitz_TR; good news
12:16 schestowitz_TR; epo protest next week
12:17 matey; have they unionised yet?
12:18 schestowitz_TR; yes, before epo even existed
12:18 schestowitz_TR; epo is like lf
12:18 matey; and of course epo has fought back
12:18 schestowitz_TR; it's a merger of things
12:18 schestowitz_TR; it always does
12:18 schestowitz_TR; but much worse
12:18 schestowitz_TR; they break tghe law all the time
12:18 matey; its a merger of public and private control
12:18 schestowitz_TR; writing articl, bbiab
12:18 schestowitz_TR; merger of nazi and dutch thing
12:23 matey; will 2022 be the year of the free software sbc
12:23 matey; since the linux desktop will never matter
12:24 schestowitz_TR; haha
12:24 schestowitz_TR; good one
12:24 schestowitz_TR; and true
12:24 schestowitz_TR; rianne uses an sbc
12:24 schestowitz_TR; as a desktop
12:24 schestowitz_TR; and another arm laptop
12:24 schestowitz_TR; she has two arms
12:24 matey; so do i
12:24 psydruid; https://www.twitter.com/starfivetech/status/1539066172691324929
12:24 TR Bot; ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/starfivetech/status/1539066172691324929 )
12:24 schestowitz_TR; the intel one overheats and beeps
12:24 matey; born with them
12:24 schestowitz_TR; a lot in summer
12:25 matey; the intel one overheats and beeps <- thats nice to know
12:25 schestowitz_TR; StarFive Technology (@StarFiveTech): "Based on RISC-V ultra-high performance 8-core SoC, what end product do you want? A laptop, a Mini PC/NUC, or a development board? Please fill out this questionnairehttp://starfive.mikecrm.com/VZ4YhIX and let us help you to make it happen."|nitter.it https://nitter.eu/starfivetech/status/1539066172691324929 Source: nitter
12:25 TR Bot; Technology (@StarFiveTech): "Based on RISC-V ultra-high performance 8-core SoC, what end product do you want? A laptop, a Mini PC/NUC, or a development board? Please fill out this questionnairehttp://starfive.mikecrm.com/VZ4YhIX and let us help you to make it happen."|nitter.it
12:25 matey; i really wanted to waste money on one of those at one point
12:25 matey; years ago
12:25 matey; now i know what it would be like to use
12:25 schestowitz_TR; brb
12:25 schestowitz_TR; typing urgent article
12:27 XRevan86; schestowitz: "can you confirm Rusian media says Windows is banned for download?" <- https://meduza.io/news/2022/06/19/polzovateli-iz-rossii-ne-smogli-skachat-s-sayta-microsoft-utility-dlya-ustanovki-windows
12:27 TR Bot; NO TITLE
12:28 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/20/more-than-serious "Russia threatens retaliatory measures after Lithuania bans transit of EU-sanctioned goods to Kaliningrad"
12:28 TR Bot; NO TITLE
12:28 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/252412
12:28 TR Bot; Dmitry Muratov sold his Nobel Medal for $103.5 million to aid Ukrainian refugees
12:28 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/252416
12:28 TR Bot; Occupation authorities evict Mariupol residents from half-destroyed homes, offer symbolic compensation
12:29 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/252419
12:29 TR Bot; Navalny put in prison inside prison to cut him off from communication and news, his daughter says
12:29 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/21/a78053
12:29 TR Bot; Kremlin Spokesman Says Americans Captured in Ukraine Committed 'Crimes' - The Moscow Times
12:29 matey; "Russia threatens retaliatory measures"
12:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:30 matey; get ready lithuania, youre going to have a bunch of tanks with no fuel parked around your main roads
12:31 matey; followed by soldiers sheepishly carrying tanks of gas and asking for directions
12:32 XRevan86; The amount of messages written here tonight is overwhelming.
12:33 matey; we had a party
12:35 XRevan86; schestowitz: "this iis very significant if as true as reported in English" <- Not necessarily, it could be a temporary breakage. Significance will become apparent in time.
12:35 schestowitz_TR; maybe they make an ENHANCEEE backoodr version
12:35 schestowitz_TR; with "SS" for "11"
12:35 schestowitz_TR; or "ZZ"
12:36 schestowitz_TR; the Zvaztika
12:36 matey; ZWINDOWS
12:36 matey; VVINDOWS FOR VVICTORY
12:38 matey; putin is working on another replacment turret, inspired by the terminator and old notebook computers
12:38 matey; the terminator is an old russian tank with a turret that serves a different purpose
12:39 matey; this new tank hes making addresses one of the drawbacks of the present situation, inspired by laptops that let you swap out the floppy drive for a second battery
12:39 matey; this model, instead of a turret, has a second gas tank as a replacement
12:40 matey; it can drive around for literally hours without refueling
12:41 matey; admittedly, it cant shoot at very much
12:41 matey; but neither can a tank that has no fuel, and this one at least is capable of a retreat
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13:07 TR News; Where were you all these years, European publishers, intentionally turning a blind eye to EPO crimes? At what point will the public get a feeling that the point of today's press is to COVER UP CRIME instead of covering crime?
13:13 matey; stallman on ties:
13:13 matey; The people who yield to the pressure to wear ties are victim-coperpetrators: each one who wears a tie at work increases the pressure on others. This is a central concept for understanding other forms of propagating nastiness, including nonfree software and Facebook.
13:13 matey; "each one who wears a tie at work increases the pressure on others. This is a central concept for understanding other forms of propagating nastiness"
13:13 matey; "This is a central concept"
13:14 matey; stallman on the open spanish inquisition that has dismantled the movement he founded:
13:14 matey; ""
13:14 matey; evidence of the real stallman, circa whenever he wrote that about ties
13:15 matey; https://techrights.org/2020/11/17/real-rms/
13:15 TR Bot; The Real Richard Stallman is Not Coming Back | Techrights
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13:19 matey; to describe his lifestyle, he started with music http://web.archive.org/web/20100612210610/http://stallman.org/rms-lifestyle.html
13:19 TR Bot; LifeStyle
13:19 matey; a year later he had added "home" and "food"
13:20 matey; the stuff about ties was added between 2011 and 2012
13:26 TR News; KDE Plasma 5.25 Desktop Gets First Point Release, Multi-GPU Support Improved Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166288
13:26 TR Bot; KDE Plasma 5.25 Desktop Gets First Point Release, Multi-GPU Support Improved | Tux Machines
13:26 TR News; Physical Demonstration at the EPOs Headquarters and the Staff Explains Why | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/demonstrating-at-the-epo/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/demonstrating-at-the-epo/
13:26 TR Bot; Physical Demonstration at the EPOs Headquarters and the Staff Explains Why | Techrights
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13:40 TR News; [Meme] The Re-election Package of the F***ing President (in His Own Words) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-salaries-meme/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-salaries-meme/
13:40 TR Bot; [Meme] The Re-election Package of the F***ing President (in His Own Words) | Techrights
13:42 TR News; "Daniel Ellsberg discusses the significance of the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the growing danger of nuclear war with U.S. and NATO." https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/20/daniel-ellsberg-on-nuclear-war-and-ukraine/
13:42 TR Bot; Ellsberg on Nuclear War and Ukraine scheerpost.com
13:43 TR News; "I have been here in Ft Worth since last Friday. It has been over 100 degrees F for most of that time." gemini://1436.ninja/gemlog/20220620.gmi
13:47 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/null.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-null#comic )
13:47 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
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13:56 TR News; 17 techrights posts the past 24 hours. Highest ever was 29 or 31 (cannot remember; it was 2009 or 2010)
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15:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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15:41 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/1801287
15:41 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/gcj7tqq8nib01.jpg created on 2018-01-28 02:15:08.565985
15:41 matey; I seem to remember Jimmy Wales getting involved in the naming
15:41 matey; controversy on Wikipedia, saying somewhere that almost every instance
15:41 matey; of "Linux" on Wikipedia should be GNU/Linux instead. This was a number
15:41 matey; of years ago.
15:41 matey; Did I make that up? I can't find any references for it anymore. -- Greg Farough // Campaigns Manager https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-06/msg00004.html
15:41 TR Bot; Re: Wikipedia extolled as an aide for getting history correct
15:42 matey; this was quite interesting: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-06/msg00003.html
15:42 TR Bot; Wikipedia extolled as an aide for getting history correct
15:42 matey; the importance of getting history right
15:43 matey; and its relevance to operations in something like the fsf
15:43 matey; with all the history being rewritten, both in the movement and (as the author mentions) in russia
15:47 matey; <yrk> moreover, and to the chagrin of rule-minded programmers, licenses are not
15:47 matey; code, and judges are not machines. people interpret licenses, sometimes they
15:47 matey; get challenged, and sometimes they don't
15:47 matey; https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-06/msg00000.html
15:47 TR Bot; How does the System Library Exception work, when the GPL-covered work is
15:48 matey; licenses are not code, and judges are not machines. people interpret licenses, sometimes they get challenged, and sometimes they don't <- i strongly agree with this
15:48 matey; licenses are "code" of a sort though
15:48 matey; but not in the same way as other "code" and that is the authors point
15:48 matey; lessig of course, wrote an entire book on the theme of rules = code
15:49 matey; im not sure these disputes negate his points, but they would certainly throw a wrench into a shallow intepretation of them
15:49 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/21/a78060
15:50 TR Bot; Moscow Vows Serious Consequences for Lithuania Over Kaliningrad Rail Ban - The Moscow Times
15:50 matey; <yrk> for the recond, I think that copyright law is anachronistic and
15:50 matey; ill-conceived. but it is what we have right now...
15:50 matey; <Andrew> true...
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15:52 matey; russian oligarchy: serious business
15:54 matey; https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/oligarchy-countries
15:54 TR Bot; Oligarchy Countries 2022
15:55 matey; "An oligarchy is a governmental system in which teh government"
15:55 matey; https://questionablecontent.net/comics/2.png
15:55 matey; "is controlled by a small group of people, or oligarchs."
15:56 matey; One of the most well-known oligarchies is Russia, which historians say has been ruled by one authoritative oligarchy or another since at least the 1400s. The dissolution of the Soviet Union from roughly 1988-1991 was a particular flashpoint for oligarchy, because it enabled a small group of wealthy individuals (mostly bankers) to gain controlling interest of many of the country's most valuable resources and utilities (such as oil fields).
15:57 matey; "This resulted in a situation in which politicians ruled the country, but the oligarchs ruled the politicians."
15:57 matey; For example, Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2020 spearheaded a constitutional amendment that, among other things, reset his term limit so he could conceivably remain president until 2036
15:58 matey; we have to make sure russia never becomes 64-bit or we are in real trouble
15:59 matey; if they upgrade, putins term limit could last another 292 billion years
15:59 matey; thats the bad news
16:00 matey; the good news is that with putin at the helm, the chances of russia having 64 bits to spare is exceedingly small
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16:07 matey; Because "oligarchy" is a slightly amorphous, subjective term, there is no definitive list of which countries are and are not oligarchies. However, a strong case could be made for each of the following countries: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Russia, Turkey, Ukraine, United States (debated), Venezuela, and Zimbabwe.
16:08 AdmFubar; https://www.alternet.org/2022/06/billionaire-tax/
16:08 TR Bot; the billionaire and rising GOP mega-donor whos gaming the tax system - Alternet.org
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16:14 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1539108484859547655
16:14 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Kremlin propagandists sound pretty put out with my reporting that exposes their vile threats and warmongering conversations to the Western world. They also resent the headlines calling them names they don't like [Putin's cronies, puppets, stooges]. Oh well, if the shoe fits..."|nitter
16:15 XRevan86; So cute.
16:24 matey; if the shoe fits
16:27 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22061369
16:28 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/6t16uacr8c491.jpg created on 2022-06-13 23:24:42.445233
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17:00 XRevan86; https://t.me/mcxrd/1765 I predict a great future to this little clip.
17:00 TR Bot; Telegram: Contact @mcxrd
17:01 MinceR; https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/vh9peo/just_pushed_my_first_pr_for_my_new_job_at/
17:01 TR Bot; Just pushed my first PR for my new job at Cloudflare! : ProgrammerHumor
17:14 MinceR; (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/4vqoE21.mp4
17:15 TR News; 2022-06-21 SpellBinding: AZILOPE Wordo: ADDED gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-06-21.gmi
17:16 matey; fake? https://yewtu.be/watch?v=umQL37AC_YM
17:16 TR Bot; "I've never installed gnu/linux" - Richard Stallman - Invidious
17:17 matey; im on the fence but looks real
17:17 TR News; This Open-Source Project Proves Chrome Extensions Can Track You Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166289
17:17 TR Bot; This Open-Source Project Proves Chrome Extensions Can Track You | Tux Machines
17:18 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166290
17:18 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
17:20 matey; i had to play it back more than once, but the thing is i can see him saying that
17:20 TR News; KDE Plasma 5.25.1, Bugfix Release for June http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166288#comment-34082
17:20 TR Bot; KDE Plasma 5.25 Desktop Gets First Point Release, Multi-GPU Support Improved | Tux Machines
17:20 matey; not that the technology doesnt exist to fake that now. in the future im sure he will say "i huff kittens"
17:20 matey; "i dont have any kittens but if i did, i huff them sometimes"
17:21 MinceR; "the orange ones fuck you up real good"
17:21 matey; "you should only huff free kittens, because non-free kittens dont respect your freedom"
17:22 matey; of course theres no such thing as free kittens, but it turns out they 1. have a proprietary design 2. cost twice as much as other proprietary kittens despite being older 3. really are only called that because theyre known to be compatible with free drivers
17:22 MinceR; "eat free kids"
17:24 matey; children left unattended will be given a cappucino and free operating system
17:24 MinceR; :)
17:25 matey; or as i like to call it systemd minus gnu
17:26 MinceR; that's not a free operating system :(
17:27 MinceR; could be an fsf-"free" operating system though
17:27 matey; nor a free software foundation
17:27 matey; but its a formerly free operating system
17:27 MinceR; as long as it makes certain software difficult to install
17:27 matey; and a former software foundation
17:27 matey; now its the gnu water bottle foundation
17:27 MinceR; (that is an important requirement for fsf-"free" operating systems)
17:28 matey; theres a blunt that goes with those sunglasses
17:28 matey; did the gnu eat it, or are the people who added that to the tshirts smoking it?
17:29 matey; so many things theyve done, wouldnt be so egregious
17:29 matey; if they werent after gutting the entire thing
17:29 matey; after doing fuck-all to fight for years at a time
17:29 matey; now its like welp, doesnt matter now!
17:29 matey; draw a funny moustache on him too
17:30 matey; give him buck teeth
17:30 matey; its a joke now anyway
17:30 matey; easier to join in the fun when you dont have to swear an oath to lieplanet first
17:31 matey; I SOLUMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL UPHOLD THE DOUBLE STANDARDS OF IBM NOW GIVE MY GNU SUNGLASSES
17:31 matey; are you now or have you ever been a poster on 4chan?
17:32 matey; "is it true, mr nixon, that ten years ago you said people should be raped with a text editor?"
17:33 matey; "no, thats not what i said"
17:33 matey; "well what did you say they should be violated with?"
17:33 matey; "the aristihub!"
17:35 matey; you know the worst part about the gnu wearing pixel-art sunglasses?
17:36 matey; jason robinson, the grand inquisitor of the socialhoneypotiverse, wore them on his avatar for YEARS
17:36 matey; and he signed the letter
17:36 matey; so now the gnu looks like jason fucking robinson
17:36 matey; (at least theyre not in colour)
17:37 matey; /me checks to see if the gnu head signed the letter too (or someone signed it for him)
17:39 matey; /me says "fuck it whatever" and just puts gnu horns on snoopy instead
17:40 matey; i think peanuts has fared better
17:40 matey; even if charlie brown and stallman have similar tailors
17:41 matey; "you blockhead! i stayed out here all night waiting for the great distro!"
17:42 matey; good grief
17:43 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MHh-j-1-zcM
17:43 TR Bot; How Richard Stallman and I failed to protect the web from the man who invented it - CubaConf 2017 - Invidious
17:46 *schestowitz_TR back
17:49 matey; kids in the hall makes snl look tame
17:50 matey; then again sometimes mister rogers neighbourhood makes snl look tame
17:51 TR News; Why EPO Scandals (and Next Weeks Protest) Are a Very Big Deal | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/internal-epo-scandals/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/internal-epo-scandals/
17:51 TR Bot; Why EPO Scandals (and Next Weeks Protest) Are a Very Big Deal | Techrights
18:02 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3njtkgHPbpI
18:02 TR Bot; Kids in the Hall - Give me a tea you bastard - Invidious
18:03 matey; (unrelated to earlier comment, this one is just silly)
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18:20 TR News; [Meme] EPO Funding Microsoft and the War Against Ukraine | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-and-war-against-ukraine/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-and-war-against-ukraine/
18:20 TR Bot; [Meme] EPO Funding Microsoft and the War Against Ukraine | Techrights
18:23 TR News; "OP is correct that theres enough documentation and software out there to get moving. The community seems adrift though. I couldnt figure out where the main protocol repo is, for example." gemini://geddit.glv.one/s/494
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18:24 TR News; low bandwidth lifestyle gemini://sud0nim.smol.pub/low-bandwidth-lifestyle
18:26 schestowitz; "Summertime Summertime summer summer time time by The Busters
18:26 schestowitz; " gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1025
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18:28 TR News; pvr: Add TI AM62 as a supported device. https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=62cc9bba06a1a3479558267e70f46e321f73f486
18:28 TR Bot; mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
18:29 TR News; Michael Larabel i still running AMD ads, no connection to Linux!!! https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Ryzen-Embedded-R2000 see http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
18:29 TR Bot; Announces Ryzen Embedded R2000 Series With Zen+ Cores, Radeon Graphics - Phoronix
18:29 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
18:29 matey; fi wonder if nina paley feels good about being allied with people like this https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qrKABoYiE20
18:29 TR Bot; BANNING DRAG SHOWS FOR CHILDREN? - Invidious
18:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:30 matey; i mean its complete hypocrisy, im 100% certain thats alex jones in a wig and makeup
18:30 TR News; The site that was once a hub for GNU/Linux news has become just Linux Foundation trash; its not even about Linux anymore http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/diluting-the-linux-trademark/
18:30 TR Bot; [Meme] Linux Foundation is Not About Linux (Anymore) | Techrights
18:32 matey; my favourite is when she shows her sponsor though
18:32 matey; obviously moved up from male enhancement and letters from the nigerian finance minister
18:33 TR News; EPO staff is sick and tired of abuse and corruption at the employer, which was supposed to serve Europe and to serve science (instead if became like a secretive private bank that violates every law it wants to) http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/demonstrating-at-the-epo/
18:33 TR Bot; Physical Demonstration at the EPOs Headquarters and the Staff Explains Why | Techrights
18:33 TR News; Nobody at the EPO is dumb enough to be fooled by the charlatan Antnio Campinos, who refers to himself as the f***ing president (no kidding; the Hubris is humongous) http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-salaries-meme/
18:33 TR Bot; [Meme] The Re-election Package of the F***ing President (in His Own Words) | Techrights
18:33 TR News; In the video above I go through the document explaining internal EPO scandals (directed towards staff) and theres still time to contact European politicians and media; theres no valid excuse for turning a blind eye http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/internal-epo-scandals/
18:33 TR News; The EPOs Belarusian blunder (more below) is still 100% uncovered as in NOT covered by the mainstream media (or any site other than Techrights for that matter) http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-and-war-against-ukraine/
18:35 TR News; Yukika goes under a "ubuntu" label (Japanese/Korean) https://www.nme.com/en_au/news/music/yukika-new-digital-single-scent-3252229
18:35 TR Bot; Yukika announces new single ''
18:37 TR News; "Canonicals Ubuntu Core 22, the fully containerized Ubuntu 22.04 LTS variant optimized for IoT and edge devices," http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166053#comment-34084
18:37 TR Bot; Canonical Releases Ubuntu Core 22 for IoT, Edge and Embedded Devices | Tux Machines
18:39 TR News; Eyes on Kenya: government must uphold commitment to connectivity during elections - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/kenya-government-internet-connectivity-elections/ militarisation and weaponisation of the Internet by FOREIGN nations has RIGHTLY led to suspicions of it.
18:39 TR Bot; Eyes on Kenya: government must uphold commitment to connectivity during elections - Access Now
18:39 TR News; In a bittersweet ruling, EU Court of Justice allows EU-wide border surveillance scheme but clarifies its limits - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/eu-court-of-justice-ruling-pnr-directive/ Source: accessnow
18:39 TR Bot; In a bittersweet ruling, EU Court of Justice allows EU-wide border surveillance scheme but clarifies its limits - Access Now
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18:40 TR News; KDE Plasma 5.25.1 (First Point Release) Brings 50+ Changes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166291
18:40 TR Bot; KDE Plasma 5.25.1 (First Point Release) Brings 50+ Changes | Tux Machines
18:45 TR News; Microsoft FUD buddies Snyk connected to Jim Zemlin and his fellow kakistocrats https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/06/21/2465876/0/en/New-Research-from-Snyk-and-The-Linux-Foundation-Reveals-Significant-Security-Concerns-Resulting-from-Open-Source-Software-Ubiquity.html LF is Linux-hosile because... FOLLOW THE MONEY
18:45 TR Bot; New Research from Snyk and The Linux Foundation Reveals
18:47 TR News; Introduction of Open Programmable Infrastructure (OPI) Project Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166292
18:47 TR Bot; Introduction of Open Programmable Infrastructure (OPI) Project | Tux Machines
18:49 TR News; 20 Useful Security Features and Tools for Linux Admins https://www.tecmint.com/security-features-tools-linux-admins/ Source: TecMint FreeSW | GNU | Linux
18:49 TR Bot; 20 Useful Security Features and Tools for Linux Admins
18:51 TR News; Very little value for money. You're subsidising evil ICBM... NOT GNU/Linux development. https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/rhel-subscription-manager
18:51 TR Bot; How to use Subscription Manager on Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) | Enable Sysadmin
18:53 TR News; "According to a SurveyMonkey study"... STUDY? Those are NOT studies but roll-out-your-own propaganda. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/it-leadership-6-questions-mentors-should-ask-mentees
18:53 TR Bot; IT leadership: 6 questions mentors should ask mentees | The Enterprisers Project
18:55 TR News; "Clown consultants" sounds like a paradox. Either you're a clown or you're a real consultant rather than a poser and imposter (reseller of junk and "clown" diagrams) https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/cloud-consultants-4-questions-ask-about-your-strategy
18:55 TR Bot; Cloud consultants: 4 questions to ask about your strategy | The Enterprisers Project
18:58 TR News; Sabine Soellheim and SUSE CEO: we work for SAP but we receive our salary from this "Linux" thing called "SUSE" (we don't know what it stands for and what it does!) https://www.suse.com/c/why-data-management-strategies-are-so-important-for-you/
18:58 TR Bot; Data Management Strategies Are So Important For You | SUSE Communities
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18:59 TR News; ICBM Red Hat... Microsoft ShitHub (we don't value your freedom.... we keep saying "open") https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/06/21/distributed-tracing-opentelemetry-knative-and-quarkus
18:59 TR Bot; Distributed tracing with OpenTelemetry, Knative, and Quarkus | Red Hat Developer
19:01 TR News; "The Operations Team is the only team that can touch the production systems." https://opensource.com/article/22/6/effective-incident-response-site-reliability-engineers
19:01 TR Bot; SREs can achieve effective incident response | Opensource.com
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19:04 XRevan86; https://t.me/chtede/51132 Cowards from the Ministry of Agriculture of Dagestan removed the video with the Z-sheeps.
19:04 TR Bot; Telegram: Contact @chtede
19:04 XRevan86; So I have to post it again, with a re-upload.
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19:28 TR News; Fedora 2012: community = free software enthusiasts. Fedora 2022: community = ICBM staff. CentOS 2018: community = ICBM staff. CentOS 2022: community = nobody, just seat fillers.
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19:28 TR News; Red Hat / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166293
19:28 TR Bot; Red Hat / IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines
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19:31 TR News; Wonder and Feeling Clever alternatives to "subverting expectations" gemini://isoraqathedh.pollux.casa/wonder.gmi
19:31 AdmFubar; https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/17/fbi-says-fraud-on-linkedin-a-significant-threat-to-platform-and-consumers.html
19:31 TR Bot; FBI says fraud on LinkedIn a 'significant threat' to platform and consumers
19:31 TR News; Noromo gemini://idiomdrottning.org/noromo
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19:32 schestowitz_TR; Microsoft itself is significant threat
19:32 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22061312
19:32 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/9s59tnq9o9591.jpg created on 2022-06-13 04:09:49.722666
19:32 schestowitz_TR; http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
19:32 TR Bot; Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights
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19:36 AdmFubar; I say someone was on drugs when they made this ad campaign! https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/say-sliders-to-drugs/
19:36 TR Bot; Sliders to Drugs'? Real Sign Mocks Fake TMNT Meme | Snopes.com
19:37 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166294
19:37 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
19:39 schestowitz_TR; AdmFubar: they sure got attention/exposure
19:39 schestowitz_TR; that's a strategy sometimes
19:42 TR News; Links 21/06/2022: RapidDisk 8.2.0 and KDE Plasma 5.25.1 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/kde-plasma-5-25-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/kde-plasma-5-25-1/
19:42 TR Bot; Links 21/06/2022: RapidDisk 8.2.0 and KDE Plasma 5.25.1 | Techrights
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19:43 AdmFubar; yeah just not the one they were after..
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19:47 MinceR; https://files.shittyurl.org/raw/945ym603.png
19:47 TR News; Security and FUD Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166295
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19:47 TR Bot; Security and FUD Leftovers | Tux Machines
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19:50 TR News; How to Create LaTeX Documents with Emacs https://www.maketecheasier.com/create-latex-documents-with-emacs/
19:50 TR Bot; How to Create LaTeX Documents with Emacs - Make Tech Easier
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20:08 TR News; KDE Plasma 5.25.1 Fixes Frustrating Linux Desktop Bugs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166288#comment-34088
20:08 TR Bot; KDE Plasma 5.25 Desktop Gets First Point Release, Multi-GPU Support Improved | Tux Machines
20:08 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Manjaro 21.3.0 Xfce Edition and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5OueYKJaP9w
20:08 TR Bot; Manjaro 21.3.0 Xfce Edition overview | OS for everyone. - Invidious
20:09 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166296
20:09 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
20:10 TR News; Jonathan Riddell: Scotland should leave the UK. Also: OpenUK is great https://jriddell.org/2022/06/21/openuk-awards-2022/
20:10 TR Bot; OpenUK Awards 2022 Jonathan Esk-Riddell's Diary
20:11 TR News; What OpenUK did with OSI tarnishes its name: http://techrights.org/2022/05/02/osi-is-bought/
20:11 TR Bot; A Look From the Inside: Open Source Initiatives Voting Process is a Sham, Large Corporations Are in Charge | Techrights
20:12 TR News; Adriaan de Groot: "The KDE Community has used and gently encouraged the Fiduciary License Agreement (FLA) which was created by the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) some 15 years ago." When FSFE did something useful. https://euroquis.nl//kde/2022/06/21/fla.html
20:12 TR Bot; FLA Two | [bobulate]
20:12 TR News; Microsoft bribes GNOME http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166130#comment-34087
20:12 TR Bot; OSI and GNOME (and Microsoft Bribes) | Tux Machines
20:13 TR News; Spamnil = LF megaphone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166292#comment-34086
20:13 TR Bot; Introduction of Open Programmable Infrastructure (OPI) Project | Tux Machines
20:15 TR News; TrueNAS "SCALE" 22.02.2 is out, but the TrueNAS site is technically defunct. No reason I should have to download nearly 15,000,000 bytes just to render this page: https://www.truenas.com/
20:15 TR Bot; Open Storage | ZFS for the Home to the Data Center
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20:16 TR News; Exploitable remotely https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-02
20:16 TR Bot; JTEKT TOYOPUC | CISA
20:18 TR News; "This is a great opportunity to connect with your fellow Fedorans and receive some amazing Fedora swag." Will ICBM give them NFTs? Will slaves be paid in panda PNGs? Or clothes made in sweatshots (other slaves)? https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/hatch-with-fedora/
20:18 TR Bot; Fedora Hatch Fedora Community Blog
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20:19 TR News; Almost ALL the BIGGEST flaws are in proprietary software, NOT in Free software. Guess what corrupted, bribed corporate media pays far more attention to...
20:20 TR News; "Knock knock"..."who's there?" CVSS v3 9.8! (Out of 10) Equipment: SIMATIC WinCC OA https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-06
20:20 TR Bot; Siemens WinCC OA | CISA
20:21 TR News; Don't worry, lads. The world's systems will be secure. They'll be secured by people with a degree in genetics. And EPO will be run by bankers.
20:23 TR News; You should not have to pay this much for it. Use RockyLinux instead. Don't pay ICBM while it is ATTACKING the community. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-insights-launches-new-recommendations-keep-application-streams-running
20:23 TR Bot; Red Hat Insights launches new recommendations to keep Application Streams running
20:24 TR News; Linux [sic] Foundation now works with Microsoft to spread FUD and distract from Microsoft's back/bug doors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166295#comment-34089
20:24 TR Bot; Security and FUD Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:25 TR News; Linux [sic] Foundation is named after the thing it is oppressing if not attacking
20:27 psydroid2; https://hardforum.com/threads/microsoft-to-remove-ability-to-install-win-11-pro-without-being-online-and-signing-in-to-microsoft-account.2017854/
20:27 TR News; Red Hat CEO did not quit ICBM because he was at age of retirement. He quit ICBM because even as ICBM PRESIDENT he saw what a dead end the company was...
20:27 TR Bot; Microsoft to Remove Ability to Install Win 11 Pro Without Being Online and Signing in to Microsoft Account | [H]ard|Forum
20:27 psydroid2; the BS in this thread is enormous
20:27 schestowitz_TR; psydroid2: I posted the same link some days ago,, iirc
20:27 psydroid2; with people paid to apologise for Microsoft
20:27 schestowitz_TR; micropsoft shoots its own foot
20:27 schestowitz_TR; and it is pissing off a lot of people
20:27 psydroid2; schestowitz_TR, I read it because you posted it here
20:27 schestowitz_TR; some move to gnu/linux
20:28 schestowitz_TR; ah, makes sense now
20:28 schestowitz_TR; well, micerosoft pays for the shills
20:28 schestowitz_TR; unless they are mvps
20:28 schestowitz_TR; in which case they are usefuil idiotcs of organised crime syndidcate
20:28 schestowitz_TR; fighting to maintain some installbase fiorot them to "support"
20:29 psydroid2; but it's good to see that they're losing the narrative also or maybe especially in the US
20:30 TR News; Mozilla quit being a technical company https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/joey-amato-publisher-of-pride-journeys-shares-what-brings-him-joy-online/ see http://techrights.org/2022/06/13/mozilla-politics-blog/
20:30 TR Bot; Joey Amato, Publisher of Pride Journeys, Shares What Brings Him Joy Online
20:30 TR Bot; Mozilla, Just Like the Linux Foundation, Has Turned to Politics at Firefoxs Expense | Techrights
20:31 TR News; Mozilla is pushing spyware instead of Firefox https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/pocket/reflecting-on-10-years-of-time-well-spent-with-pocket/
↺ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/pocket/reflecting-on-10-years-of-time-well-spent-with-pocket/
20:31 TR Bot; Reflecting on 10 years of time well spent with Pocket
20:32 TR News; Mozilla now makes a semi-apology for mass surveillance https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/understanding-apples-private-click-measurement/
20:32 TR Bot; Understanding Apples Private Click Measurement
20:33 TR News; every now and then Mozilla openly admits it does not value users' privacy, causing an uproar that can take years to quell or calm down while Firefox keeps losing millions of users every month https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/pocket/reflecting-on-10-years-of-time-well-spent-with-pocket/
↺ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/pocket/reflecting-on-10-years-of-time-well-spent-with-pocket/
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20:35 TR News; Can Gulag purchase enough popcorn from the supply chain? To watch how Mozilla destroys itself?
20:36 TR News; Mozilla is a bloated company with a bloated browser, having become accustomed to bloated budget from Gulag (which comes with super-bloated strings)
20:37 TR News; Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-01
20:37 TR Bot; Mitsubishi Electric MELSEC Q and L Series | CISA
20:38 TR News; RISC-V 3D GPU https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/06/15/2462749/0/en/Think-Silicon-to-Unveil-Industry-s-First-RISC-V-3D-GPU-at-Embedded-World-2022.html?s=09
20:38 TR Bot; Think Silicon to Unveil Industrys First RISC-V 3D GPU at
20:40 TR News; "Rust support being such an exciting feature and judging by the past timing, I think the first kernel with merged Rust support should be called 6.0." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1329923-linus-torvalds-rust-for-the-kernel-could-possibly-be-merged-for-linux-5-20 Linus quit leading Linus http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/
20:40 TR Bot; Torvalds: Rust For The Kernel Could Possibly Be Merged For Linux 5.20 - Phoronix Forums
20:40 TR Bot; The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights
20:41 TR News; Linux 6.0: Microsoft GitHub down. Cannot release Linux.
20:42 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22061310
20:42 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/ybZ9z4T.jpg created on 2022-06-13 03:09:59.296251
20:42 TR News; Who pays for Microsoft to buy GitHub, Skype etc.? The US TAXPAYER: http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
20:42 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
20:42 TR News; RISC OS is 35 but its still kicking Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166297
20:42 TR Bot; RISC OS is 35 but it's still kicking | Tux Machines
20:44 TR News; 7 summer book recommendations from open source enthusiasts https://opensource.com/article/22/6/2022-opensourcecom-summer-reading-list
20:44 TR Bot; summer book recommendations from open source enthusiasts | Opensource.com
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20:45 TR News; "The Central Bank of Austria has published a report in the context of a workshop celebrating 20 years of Euro-denominated cash. The report discusses the future of cash, including account- and blockchain-based designs, as well as GNU Taler." https://taler.net/en/news/2022-07.html
20:45 TR Bot; GNU Taler
20:46 TR News; an optimistic evacuation of my wordhoard -- wingolog https://wingolog.org/archives/2022/06/21/an-optimistic-evacuation-of-my-wordhoard Source: wingolog
20:46 TR Bot; an optimistic evacuation of my wordhoard -- wingolog
20:47 TR News; "Reducing the power to tech monopolies would do more to fix the Internet than any other single action, and I am generally in favor of them both." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/06/hidden-anti-cryptography-provisions-in-internet-anti-trust-bills.html
20:47 TR Bot; Anti-Cryptography Provisions in Internet Anti-Trust Bills - Schneier on Security
20:50 TR News; Atari ST - What a computer. gemini://blog.datapulp.de/atari-st-what-a-computer
20:51 TR News; Here we go AGAIN. It's PROPRIETARY software: CVSS v3 9.8 (out of 10!!) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-05
20:51 TR Bot; Phoenix Contact Classic Line Industrial Controllers | CISA
20:51 TR News; CVSS v3 9.8 AGAIN https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-04 Proprietary junk
20:51 TR Bot; Phoenix Contact ProConOS and MULTIPROG | CISA
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20:53 TR News; CVSS v3 9.8 a third time! "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could allow an attacker to upload logic with arbitrary code." Media coverage will be NOTHING. Because it's NOT "Open Source" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-03
20:53 TR Bot; Phoenix Contact Classic Line Controllers | CISA
20:54 TR News; Linux Foundation does not protect us from FUD; instead it participates in the FUD
20:54 TR News; RISC-V Announces First New Specifications of 2022, Adding to 16 Ratified in 2021 | RISC-V International https://riscv.org/announcements/2022/06/risc-v-announces-first-new-specifications-of-2022-adding-to-16-ratified-in-2021-risc-v-international/
20:54 TR Bot; RISC-V Announces First New Specifications of 2022, Adding to 16 Ratified in 2021 | RISC-V International - RISC-V International
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20:56 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1539326751104733184
20:56 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Russian state pokes fun at their favorite, mocking Trump's promise not to ever ride a bike: "How about going down a ramp?" Another barb follows: "What if Biden chokes on a hamburger? Will you swear off hamburgers?" Then they all laugh at Trump with toilet paper stuck to his shoe."|nitter
20:56 TR News; To use an analogy, the 'Linux' Foundation is the Trump-funded Tolerance Foundation and BP-sponsored Conservation Alliance. Ignore the name/words, check the actual operandi.
20:57 schestowitz_TR; sounds like gossip talk from Julia
20:57 schestowitz_TR; while people die
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20:57 MinceR; people die, things break
20:58 XRevan86; schestowitz: Rather, she quotes the gossip talk.
20:58 schestowitz_TR; yeah
20:58 schestowitz_TR; distracts from the war crimes, imho
20:58 schestowitz_TR; social control media is favouring such spoon-feeding
20:58 schestowitz_TR; for clicks
20:58 schestowitz_TR; "engagement"
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
20:59 schestowitz_TR; they call it "algotalk"
20:59 XRevan86; To me it's just bizarre, Zhuravlyov found it hilarious.
20:59 MinceR; the war crimes are only relevant if someone with the power is actually willing to invade orcland, cripple their warmaking capabilities, arrest putler and all UR members and punish them for their crimes
20:59 schestowitz_TR; maybe even Russia does this specifically to divide the US
20:59 schestowitz_TR; based on jokes
20:59 schestowitz_TR; and use social control media to make phony scandals
20:59 MinceR; and make sure orcland will never again have the ability to wage war
20:59 schestowitz_TR; while they kil people
20:59 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/21/15-people-killed-in-russian-attacks-on-ukraines-kharkiv-region-news "15 people killed in Russian attacks on Ukraines Kharkiv region"
20:59 TR Bot; .
21:00 MinceR; it's pointless to talk about war crimes much if the people who could do something about it are unwilling to do so
21:00 schestowitz_TR; the west likes the war
21:00 schestowitz_TR; it's exploitd to the fullest
21:00 schestowitz_TR; Sleepy Jojo has just giveen a ton of money to military contreactorsd
21:00 schestowitz_TR; other than Microsoft
21:00 schestowitz_TR; they will lobby to carry on
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21:01 schestowitz_TR; no war, less profits
21:01 schestowitz_TR; that also helps them feed us price hikes
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21:01 XRevan86; The problem is that a lot of the war crimes are more-of-the-same, so one stops paying attention.
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21:01 schestowitz_TR; paying attention to toilet paper-on-shoe joke won't help
21:01 schestowitz_TR; like obama with the mustard-coloured suit
21:02 schestowitz_TR; and murdoch hive talking about it for ages
21:03 XRevan86; schestowitz: I got a pretty much opposite impression, that even to this today, European countries are unwilling to provide sufficient military backing.
21:03 XRevan86; * to this day
21:08 schestowitz_TR; That's Europe
21:08 schestowitz_TR; US knows Eurpe standa to suffer
21:08 schestowitz_TR; US is very far away
21:09 schestowitz_TR; US just supplies (sells) weapons
21:09 schestowitz_TR; graft
21:09 schestowitz_TR; taxpayers' money to warlords
21:09 schestowitz_TR; USSA is finished
21:09 XRevan86; The US is also not really able to provide enough.
21:09 schestowitz_TR; it'll continue to exist
21:09 schestowitz_TR; like Russia after USSR
21:09 schestowitz_TR; but it'll be poor and failing
21:09 schestowitz_TR; and run by despot (maybe despots... if the main despot dies)
21:10 schestowitz_TR; those who can, will leave..
21:10 schestowitz_TR; <XRevan86> The US is also not really able to provide enough.
21:10 schestowitz_TR; maybe "supply chain" issue ;-)
21:10 schestowitz_TR; I reckon many US weapons nowadays have microchips in them that are imported from china
21:10 schestowitz_TR; the drone missiles have sony cameras
21:10 schestowitz_TR; japan
21:11 schestowitz_TR; but made in china obviously
21:11 schestowitz_TR; you cannot have your new cars because the components go (instead) into weapons that blow up the components
21:11 schestowitz_TR; that's US "efficiency"
21:12 schestowitz_TR; Sony was not upset about these sales
21:12 schestowitz_TR; but about the media finding out
21:12 schestowitz_TR; as it makes sony seem like military contractor tied to assassination
21:13 schestowitz_TR; of kids, dogs, etc. and illegal actions, too.
21:13 schestowitz_TR; but japan isn't known for valuing life anyway
21:17 TR News; SolidRun releases SOM module based on 64-bit Renesas RZ/G2LC SoC https://linuxgizmos.com/solidrun-releases-som-module-based-on-renesas-rz-g2lc-soc/ Source: LinuxGizmos | Hardware | Devices | GNU | Linux
21:17 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/solidrun-releases-som-module-based-on-renesas-rz-g2lc-soc/ )
21:20 TR News; "Senior Director, Diversity and Inclusion." Painting criminals as "ethical" is job title now. https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/open-source-community-gather-la-scale-19x
21:20 TR Bot; Open Source Community to Gather in LA for SCALE 19x | Linux Journal
21:21 TR News; Companies become a lot more evil when they start hiring lawyers and other "bullshit jobs" instead of people who actually deliver core services
21:23 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/CiQQuC5.jpeg
21:26 TR News; Linux has a new authenticator app, and its easy enough for anyone to use http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165920#comment-34091
21:26 TR Bot; Use Authenticator to Generate Two-Factor Authentication Codes on Linux | Tux Machines
21:28 TR News; 2021 Annual Survey Report | Inside Rust Blog https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/06/21/survey-2021-report.html Source: rust-lang
21:28 TR Bot; 2021 Annual Survey Report | Inside Rust Blog
21:29 TR News; This Tool Enables Live Clock on Wallpaper of Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME 42 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166298
21:29 TR Bot; This Tool Enables Live Clock on Wallpaper of Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME 42 | Tux Machines
21:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:35 TR News; Embedded Git lib ted "You pig !!" 35-54W ... for a CPU alone https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/21/amd-ryzen-embedded-r2000-series-processors-with-up-to-four-cores-quad-display-support/
21:35 TR Bot; AMD unveils Ryzen Embedded R2000 Series processors with up to four cores, quad-display support - CNX Software
21:35 schestowitz_TR; psydroid2: start your engines!!
21:36 psydroid2; I'm running to the store as we speak!
21:37 TR News; RISC/ARM: nice lean meal. x86: here, have 12 small packs of potato chips. Enjoy your "meal"...
21:38 TR News; Steam Deck: look at all the polygons we render. But AMD/x86 is a hog, so you must plug that 'handheld' back into the socket after 60 minutes...
21:40 TR News; Even my gamegear in the mid 90s had better battery life than steam dreck.
21:41 psydroid2; the worst part is that these AMD chips aren't that much faster than ARM chips with a fraction of the power consumption
21:41 psydroid2; https://browser.geekbench.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=8cx+gen+3
21:41 TR Bot; Geekbench Search - Geekbench Browser
21:41 psydroid2; https://browser.geekbench.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=ryzen+5300g
21:41 TR Bot; Geekbench Search - Geekbench Browser
21:41 TR News; Tech 'progress': "phones" that need to be charged every day instead of once a week and "gaming" console that suffocates for 'juice' after one hour...
21:41 psydroid2; it just never made sense for me to jump on the AMD bandwagon over the past few years
21:42 schestowitz_TR; I have a new machine with amd athlon
21:42 schestowitz_TR; it need a fan
21:42 schestowitz_TR; and it's not that fast
21:42 schestowitz_TR; it's in some way sloweer than the pi4
21:42 psydroid2; that's why I built my last desktop in 2009
21:42 psydroid2; I can't stand heat and fan noise
21:43 schestowitz_TR; imagine trying to run windows on this thing
21:43 psydroid2; it literally gives me a headache
21:43 schestowitz_TR; the fan noise I became more aware of when I got rid of x86
21:43 schestowitz_TR; and then you can sleep in peace
21:43 schestowitz_TR; the CRTs made another kind of noise
21:43 psydroid2; that's been my experience
21:43 schestowitz_TR; another is magnetic drive
21:43 schestowitz_TR; IF it spins
21:43 schestowitz_TR; whioch happens with some OSes while idle
21:44 schestowitz_TR; those noise might not make a difference iuf you lkive next to a road
21:45 schestowitz_TR; sometimes you don't need task monitoring
21:45 schestowitz_TR; you can hear the strain
21:45 psydroid2; I still see a decreasing role for x86 when it comes to raw performance, but that's mainly based on price/performance for high core counts
21:45 schestowitz_TR; with your ears
21:45 schestowitz_TR; and it warms up
21:45 schestowitz_TR; happened to me some days ago wqhen dolphin maxed up a cpu core
21:45 psydroid2; you turn on the machine, do a certain job and switch it off
21:45 psydroid2; that's how I use x86 these days
21:46 schestowitz_TR; hmmm
21:46 schestowitz_TR; cpu scaling might do
21:47 TR News; What a hideous headline https://tecadmin.net/what-is-computer-hardware/
21:47 TR Bot; What is Computer Hardware? TecAdmin
21:48 psydroid2; what I am wondering about in particular is sales of used hardware
21:48 TR News; Surveys are not "research"; 'Linux' Foundation has rebranded marketing as 'research', just like Microsoft... https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/todo-group-announces-2022-ospo-survey/
21:48 TR Bot; TODO Group Announces 2022 OSPO Survey - Linux Foundation
21:48 psydroid2; we will be seeing a lot of used hardware for very low prices over the next few years
21:49 psydroid2; so why would you ever buy new if you don't need the latest and greatest?
21:49 psydroid2; s/for/at/
21:50 TR News; No kidding. This page mentions "clown" like 40 times! https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/nephio-sees-rapid-growth-as-more-organizations-commit-to-simplify-cloud-native-automation-of-telecom-network-functions/
21:50 TR Bot; Nephio Sees Rapid Growth as More Organizations Commit to Simplify Cloud Native Automation of Telecom Network Functions - Linux Foundation
21:50 schestowitz_TR; spare or unwanted stocks can be good too
21:51 schestowitz_TR; in outlets
21:51 schestowitz_TR; unwanted, returned machines
21:51 psydroid2; I expect those to become available as well, of course
21:51 schestowitz_TR; that would never run window
21:51 schestowitz_TR; sso you get them like half price
21:51 psydroid2; even older unsold hardware that they can't really sell at regular prices anymore
21:52 TR News; Public Knowledge Policy Counsel Kathleen Burke Receives WifiForward Wi-Fi At Work Award https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-policy-counsel-kathleen-burke-receives-wififorward-wi-fi-at-work-award/ they still need to kick out Microsoft (organised crime) from their Board
21:52 TR Bot; Public Knowledge Policy Counsel Kathleen Burke Receives WifiForward Wi-Fi At Work Award - Public Knowledge
21:53 TR News; Hey U! pineapple-for-head ;-) https://www.davidrevoy.com/article914/dryad-fan-art
21:53 TR Bot; Dryad (fan-art) - David Revoy
21:53 psydroid2; I'm actually waiting for an ARM and/or RISC-V chip that makes all the mainstream x86 hardware before 2020 obsolete from a price/performance/watt perspective
21:55 TR News; Debian in Canada https://veronneau.org/montreals-debian-stuff-june-2022.html
21:55 TR Bot; Louis-Philippe Vronneau - Montreal's Debian & Stuff - June 2022
21:56 TR News; Steve Kemp: Writing a simple TCL interpreter in golang https://blog.steve.fi/writing_a_simple_tcl_interpreter_in_golang.html
21:56 TR Bot; Writing a simple TCL interpreter in golang
21:57 TR News; But "sustainability" is a meaningless buzzword https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252521657/Tech-sector-sustainability-efforts-need-full-ecosystem-approach
21:57 TR Bot; Tech sector sustainability efforts need full ecosystem approach
21:58 MinceR; (video) (audio) https://obviousplant.tumblr.com/post/154086173658/introducing-sadness-box
21:58 TR Bot; Obvious Plant Introducing Sadness Box!
21:58 TR News; "Software developers must be vigilant in regards to their use of hardware resources. Dedicated hardware is often expensive to buy, run, and maintainand theres only so much room in a data center for extra servers." https://containerjournal.com/features/5-best-practices-when-implementing-a-container-strategy/
21:58 TR Bot; 5 Best Practices When Implementing a Container Strategy - Container Journal
21:59 schestowitz_TR; psydroid2: <techrights-news> Think Silicon NEOX RISC-V GPU offers 3D graphics or AI acceleration - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/20/think-silicon-neox-risc-v-gpu-offer-3d-graphics-or-ai-acceleration/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
21:59 TR Bot; Think Silicon NEOX RISC-V GPU offers 3D graphics or AI acceleration - CNX Software
21:59 schestowitz_TR; greek
21:59 psydroid2; I read about that earlier
22:00 schestowitz_TR; <techrights-news> RISC-V 3D GPU https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/06/15/2462749/0/en/Think-Silicon-to-Unveil-Industry-s-First-RISC-V-3D-GPU-at-Embedded-World-2022.html?s=09
22:00 TR Bot; Think Silicon to Unveil Industrys First RISC-V 3D GPU at
22:00 psydroid2; I think RISC-V is great for enabling innovation from more places than before
22:00 psydroid2; s/from/in/
22:00 MinceR; provided intel lets those places anywhere near RISC-V
22:01 TR News; SUSE's Web site compromised, controlled by SAP salespeople instead of SUSE engineers. https://www.suse.com/c/sap-hana-maintenance-suse-clusters/
22:01 TR Bot; SAP HANA handshake takeover in SUSE cluster
22:01 psydroid2; Intel doesn't have much of a say in this
22:01 MinceR; i thought they pushed their tentacles into RISC-V already
22:02 psydroid2; they are trying, but the "ecosystem" is vast and consists of many companies and academia
22:02 TR News; UK's Digital Strategy https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uks-digital-strategy making the digital data vanish, so... another 50,000 people die and nobody notices https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/20/abolishing-covid-transparency/
22:02 TR Bot; Digital Strategy - GOV.UK
22:02 TR Bot; Blog Archive Highest Number of COVID-19 Hospitalisations in Almost 2 Months, So Borisnaro is Rapidly Abolishing the Transparency
22:03 TR News; New Digital Strategy to make UK a global tech superpower https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-digital-strategy-to-make-uk-a-global-tech-superpower after Brexit it ain't gonna happen. We're run by a neanderthals regime, like pretty dump Patel and Borisnaro.
22:03 TR Bot; Digital Strategy to make UK a global tech superpower - GOV.UK
22:04 schestowitz_TR; psydroid2: Intel just spenda a lot of money atm
22:04 schestowitz_TR; marketing, salaries to entice back key engineers who quit
22:04 schestowitz_TR; Intel is having a run for its life
22:05 schestowitz_TR; maybe Phoronix will publish another dozen pieces about CLEAR(LY GOING NOWHERE)Linux)
22:06 psydroid2; schestowitz_TR, I met a few they had put in charge of SiFive through Intel Capital investments, but Imagination and StarFive are examples of companies working on their own RISC-V silicon
22:06 schestowitz_TR; Apple dumped them
22:06 schestowitz_TR; after it had dumped ICBM
22:06 schestowitz_TR; the Hollerith company
22:06 psydroid2; Intel can't control all companies out there like they could do with x86 or Itanium and the other failed architectures
22:07 schestowitz_TR; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-oneAPI-Blender-3.3-On
22:07 TR Bot; Still Hoping To Have oneAPI/SYCL GPU Acceleration In Blender 3.3 - Phoronix
22:07 psydroid2; Phoronix is far too positive about AMD's achievements
22:07 schestowitz_TR; this is an article topic??
22:07 schestowitz_TR; https://developer.blender.org/D15254
22:07 TR Bot; D15254 Cycles: Add support for rendering on Intel GPUs using oneAPI
22:07 psydroid2; sure, they are winning big time in a financial sense
22:07 schestowitz_TR; wow
22:08 schestowitz_TR; from turning single file patches into article
22:08 schestowitz_TR; to turning bugf reports into some
22:08 psydroid2; but what is actually happening in the market
22:08 schestowitz_TR; >One API
22:08 schestowitz_TR; =Microsoft
22:08 schestowitz_TR; (GitHub)(
22:09 psydroid2; also Intel's discrete GPUs are only supposed to work with their own newer platforms
22:09 psydroid2; I've never heard of anything like this before
22:09 schestowitz_TR; been a month since michael did SINGLE JOB POST articles
22:09 schestowitz_TR; one job opening
22:09 schestowitz_TR; =one phoronix article
22:09 schestowitz_TR; the chip companies have mmillikons of vacancies
22:10 schestowitz_TR; <psydroid2> also Intel's discrete GPUs are only supposed to work with their own newer platforms
22:10 schestowitz_TR; but they can pull out of the market
22:10 schestowitz_TR; like atom and itanium
22:10 schestowitz_TR; never get proprietary
22:10 psydroid2; I don't think they will this time
22:10 schestowitz_TR; the promises are risky
22:10 schestowitz_TR; openmoko was like that
22:10 schestowitz_TR; get a phone
22:10 schestowitz_TR; and it goes nowhere
22:10 psydroid2; because they need GPUs to win HPC and HEY HI contracts
22:11 psydroid2; yeah, I didn't even know they tried
22:12 psydroid2; only after they had already got out of that market did I find out they had lost billions of dollars trying to compete
22:12 TR News; Phoronix cannot find material, so it starts turning BUG reports into ARTICLES.... or, as in here, Microsoft (Proprietary) GitHub tickets into articles https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Vulkan-Mesh-Shaders-Details
22:12 TR Bot; Mesh Shaders To Closely Mirror Direct3D 12 Capabilities - Phoronix
22:15 TR News; Limine compiled in OpenEmbedded https://bkhome.org/news/202206/limine-compiled-in-openembedded.html
22:15 TR Bot; Limine compiled in OpenEmbedded
22:16 TR News; "This is a tutorial to install Unity Desktop Environment on Ubuntu 22.04. This turns back Ubuntu to the previous default experience between the years 2011-2017. Let's turn back Unity!" http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/06/ubuntu-unity-jammy-jellyfish.html
22:16 TR Bot; Ubuntu Unity Jammy Jellyfish
22:16 TR News; MakuluLinux: Whats Next on our Agenda? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166299
22:16 TR Bot; MakuluLinux: Whats Next on our Agenda? | Tux Machines
22:16 TR News; Thread safety support in libsoup3 | Carlos Garcia Campos https://blogs.igalia.com/carlosgc/2022/06/21/thread-safety-support-in-libsoup3/ Source: igalia
22:16 TR Bot; Thread safety support in libsoup3 | Carlos Garcia Campos
22:19 TR News; "When importing product inspections, a Linux-based system with NVIDIA GPU runs inspection models for image analysis." https://www.automation.com/en-us/articles/june-2022/case-study-aoi-system-100x-data-transmission?listname=Automation & Control News & Articles
22:19 TR Bot; Case Study: AOI System Through Workload Consolidation Brings 100X Data Transmission Enhancement
22:21 TR News; Operation Z. HP calls its Windows crap "Z"... entraps fake 'Ubuntu' inside Linux https://www.gurufocus.com/news/1773168/z-by-hp-powers-todays-professionals-to-create-without-limitation
22:21 TR Bot; by HP Powers Today's Profess - GuruFocus.com
22:22 TR News; This is GNU, not Linux https://www.networkworld.com/article/3664077/counting-the-days-on-linux.html
22:22 TR Bot; Counting the days on Linux | Network World
22:28 TR News; OPI Project aims to standardize DPUs and IPUs for industry adoption http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166292#comment-34092
22:28 TR Bot; Introduction of Open Programmable Infrastructure (OPI) Project | Tux Machines
22:29 TR News; Linus Torvalds: After 30 years, Linux is not a dead project Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166300
22:29 TR Bot; Linus Torvalds: After 30 years, Linux is not a dead project | Tux Machines
22:30 MinceR; https://64.media.tumblr.com/73947f42ab506ebc6a3c510bd4b01ca0/tumblr_oh5o5omL0x1u53c30o2_1280.jpg
22:30 TR News; Linux Foundation does not earn coverage, it buys coverage
22:31 XRevan86; https://gajim.org/post/2022-06-21-gajim-1.4.5-released/
22:31 TR Bot; Gajim 1.4.5 - Gajim
22:32 TR News; After many years and under the misleading, baseless, false guise of "fighting trolls" OIN is trying to normalise software patents with these patent pools https://thefintechtimes.com/rbc-joins-the-open-invention-network-to-protect-fintech-from-looming-threat-of-patent-trolls/
22:32 TR Bot; RBC Joins the Open Invention Network To Protect Fintech From Looming Threat of Patent Trolls | The Fintech Times
22:33 TR News; Diploma mill riding the "Linux" brand https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/500-promising-individuals-worldwide-receive-linux-foundation-it-training--certification-scholarships-301572252.html
22:33 TR Bot; 500 Promising Individuals Worldwide Receive Linux Foundation IT Training & Certification Scholarships
22:34 AdmFubar; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/adobe-acrobat-may-block-antivirus-tools-from-monitoring-pdf-files/
22:35 TR Bot; Adobe Acrobat may block antivirus tools from monitoring PDF files
22:35 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166301
22:35 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:35 schestowitz_TR; AdmFubar: windows isue :-)
22:40 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166302
22:40 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
22:40 TR News; IBM/Red Hat and Fedora Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166303
22:40 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines
22:42 TR News; Memfault Adds OTA Update for Embedded Linux - IoT For All https://www.iotforall.com/press-releases/memfault-adds-ota-embedded-linux Source: iotforall
22:42 TR Bot; Memfault Adds OTA Update for Embedded Linux - IoT For All
22:44 TR News; Todays Linux Foundation and OIN Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166304
22:44 TR Bot; Today's Linux Foundation and OIN Fluff | Tux Machines
22:44 TR News; Mozilla/Firefox Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166305
22:44 TR Bot; Mozilla/Firefox Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:47 TR News; "What source code repository is ethical well it depends on how you define ethics and if you go by what the FSF and GNU have to say well basically nothing is except what they offer themselves." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JHIdRZTI74o
22:47 TR Bot; GitHub & GitLab Are Awful, What Does The FSF Suggest - Invidious
22:48 TR News; "In this backyard boomer vlog, I ramble on about how Linux has become a "normie" operating system. If you have used Linux for a few years (or more), then you have undoubtedly noticed that Linux has gotten so good that it's really...just another operating system." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eefkRwRJkzw
22:48 TR Bot; Every Linux Distro Is Great! (Every Desktop Environment Too!) - Invidious
22:49 TR News; Build Me Up BetterCAP Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166306
22:49 TR Bot; Build Me Up BetterCAP | Tux Machines
22:49 TR News; Free Software Directory on IRC: Friday, June 24 starting at 12:00 p.m. EDT (14:00 UTC) https://www.fsf.org/events/free-software-directory-on-irc-friday-june-24-starting-at-12-00-p-m-edt-14-00-utc
22:49 TR Bot; Free Software Directory on IRC: Friday, June 24 starting at 12:00 p.m. EDT (14:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
22:54 TR News; Events: OpenUK, Free Software Directory, and Southern California Linux Expo Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166307
22:54 TR Bot; Events: OpenUK, Free Software Directory, and Southern California Linux Expo | Tux Machines
22:54 TR News; Videos: "Normies", GitHub & GitLab, Manjaro 21.3.0 Xfce Edition Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166308
22:54 TR Bot; Videos: "Normies", GitHub & GitLab, Manjaro 21.3.0 Xfce Edition | Tux Machines
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
23:00 TR News; Agnes Giberne's *The Story of the Sun, Moon, and Stars* (1898) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/story-of-sun-moon-stars/ Source: publicdomainreview
23:00 TR Bot; Agnes Giberne's *The Story of the Sun, Moon, and Stars* (1898) The Public Domain Review
23:02 TR News; Manjaro 21.3.0 Is Now Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166220#comment-34094
23:02 TR Bot; Manjaro 21.3 "Ruah" Brings Refreshed Desktop Environments | Tux Machines
23:02 TR News; Linux Around The World: USA - Montana http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165929#comment-34095
23:02 TR Bot; GNU/Linux: Arch Linux, "Linux" Around The World, and Linux Format 290 | Tux Machines
23:03 TR News; This high-speed Arduino pen plotter creates drawings in mere minutes | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/06/21/this-high-speed-arduino-pen-plotter-creates-drawings-in-mere-minutes/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
23:03 TR Bot; This high-speed Arduino pen plotter creates drawings in mere minutes | Arduino Blog
23:05 TR News; 'Linux' Foundation for Microsoft proxies, spreading Microsoft's FUD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166295#comment-34096
23:05 TR Bot; Security and FUD Leftovers | Tux Machines
23:06 TR News; Jim Zermlin will age fast if he carries on shining Microsoft's boots so hard
23:07 TR News; 'Linux' Foundation: the voice of Microsoft http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166295#comment-34097
23:07 TR Bot; Security and FUD Leftovers | Tux Machines
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23:13 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and RISC-V Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166311
23:13 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and RISC-V | Tux Machines
23:13 TR News; Devices: Memfault, AOI, amd SolidRun Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166312
23:13 TR Bot; Devices: Memfault, AOI, amd SolidRun | Tux Machines
23:14 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166313
23:14 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
23:20 TR News; Links 21/06/2022: Lots of Garbage From Linux Foundation | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/garbage-from-linux-foundation/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/garbage-from-linux-foundation/
23:20 TR Bot; Links 21/06/2022: Lots of Garbage From Linux Foundation | Techrights
23:20 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166314
23:20 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
23:22 MinceR; https://thecodinglove.com/when-i-think-my-hotfix-worked-but-it-crashes-again
23:22 TR Bot; When I think my hotfix worked but it crashes again | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes
23:22 TR News; Todo lists in Vim, syntax highlighting gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/~johngodlee/posts/2022-06-20-todo.gmi
23:23 TR News; K-punk haunts gemini 21-06-2022 gemini://subphase.xyz/users/flow/gemlog/31-kpunk-haunts-gemini.gmi
23:29 *gorq (~b9dc650c@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
23:30 gorq; https://www.itpro.co.uk/operating-systems/microsoft-windows/368320/microsoft-reportedly-blocks-russian-windows-10-and-11
23:31 TR Bot; Microsoft reportedly blocks Russian Windows 10 and Windows 11 downloads | IT PRO
23:31 gorq; the ear of the linux desktop has finally arrived
23:33 XRevan86; Still occuring, don't particularly care.
23:41 MinceR; people in russia can download MICROS~1's and ibm's other OS, fedora, instead
23:49 gorq; fedora is linux desktop
23:49 MinceR; yeah
23:49 MinceR; systemd/Linux distribution
23:50 gorq; refhat is the mother of all linux desktop
23:50 MinceR; made from Linux (controlled by the Linux-Destroying Foundation, owned by corporations like MICROS~1 and ibm), systemd (controlled by ibm and based on MICROS~1 design principles), gnome (also controlled by ibm) and a few bits they're trying to throw away already
23:50 MinceR; ibm owns redhat
23:50 MinceR; https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/uploads/prod/sites/37/2016/04/Tshirts-2-1024x647.jpg
23:54 gorq; do you think users are changing back to bash from zsh because of the Z?
23:55 gorq; also ZSH sounds like a shell to run closed sourced binaries
23:55 MinceR; lol
23:55 MinceR; i haven't heard about that, and i'm certainly not planning to do that
23:56 gorq; so you use ZSH
23:56 MinceR; i do
23:58 gorq; you run binaries using sh "binary"
23:59 gorq; or ./ "binary" ?
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