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07:24 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "There is a talent shortage" = there are not enough qualified people in THIS COUNTRY whom we are ready/wiling/able to pay their MARKET VALUE
07:26 Techrights-sec2; 1) there are not enough talented people (education has been ruined to prevent
07:26 Techrights-sec2; that
07:26 Techrights-sec2; 2) the business are refusing to pay proper market value to such skill
07:26 Techrights-sec2; mostly #2, but not entirely
07:26 schestowitz-TR; (2) contributes to either (1) or lowers incentive for people to self-teach etc.
07:31 Techrights-sec2; yes, in some fields, (ICT and to a certain extent CS), self-teaching is the
07:31 Techrights-sec2; *only* path forward. However, that creates a pool of charlatans who are fools
07:31 Techrights-sec2; but possess official papers which businesses, schools, and governments accept
07:31 Techrights-sec2; in place of competency; eventually the frauds, poseurs, and charlatans become
07:31 Techrights-sec2; so pervasive that having any reasonable skill will guarantee unemployment
07:31 Techrights-sec2; and be punished rather than being rewarded.
07:31 Techrights-sec2; "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is in for one hell of a hard time"
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08:06 schestowitz-TR; draft
08:06 schestowitz-TR; people with skills alwaysds respresent a threat to thoisae who have none, more so if they're in high poisitions they do not deserve
08:06 schestowitz-TR; the issue is not limited to tech/high tech
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08:14 Techrights-sec2; checking
08:14 Techrights-sec2; yes and for the last 25 years 'reality' tv has taught and instigated the
08:14 Techrights-sec2; unskilled to gang up on and tear down the skilled
08:14 Techrights-sec2; it's common in many fields, but is the alpha and omega of tech/high tech
08:14 Techrights-sec2; due to the spread of microsoftianism
08:14 Techrights-sec2; or to look at it from an economic perspective,
08:14 Techrights-sec2; https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/broken-window-fallacy.asp
08:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.investopedia.com | The Broken Window Fallacy Definition
08:14 schestowitz-TR; Zemlinism
08:14 Techrights-sec2; those breaking things have ended up with control since money is changing hands
08:14 Techrights-sec2; and they've fooled much of the public and nearly all of the policticians into
08:14 Techrights-sec2; playing their game
08:14 Techrights-sec2; instead of getting real work done
08:14 Techrights-sec2; LARPers
08:14 Techrights-sec2; one of the tricks the policitians use here, and presumably elsewhere, is to
08:14 Techrights-sec2; place inexperiened, underskilled, borerline incomptent people in charge so that
08:14 Techrights-sec2; they 1) know they are in over their heads and therefore 2) are 100% beholden to
08:14 Techrights-sec2; the politician for continued employment
08:14 Techrights-sec2; Zemlin is one example
08:16 Techrights-sec2; https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/391717-steve-jobs-has-a-saying-that-a-players-hire-a
08:16 Techrights-sec2; The effect is pervasive through society and there are not enough skilled
08:16 Techrights-sec2; professionals in enough places for things to run adequately. With further
08:16 Techrights-sec2; decline they will not run at all and, having pulled up the ladder already,
08:16 Techrights-sec2; society will implode without any kind of fallback position to build up
08:16 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Guy Kawasaki: Steve Jobs has a saying that A players hire A p...
08:16 Techrights-sec2; from again.
08:19 Techrights-sec2; in the draft, perhaps the hypertext for the perens quote ought to be the
08:19 Techrights-sec2; quote itself, rather than the string "said". That would presumably help
08:19 Techrights-sec2; raise the quote in the search engines but more importantly highlight the
08:19 Techrights-sec2; quote within the post itself
08:19 Techrights-sec2; thanks
08:19 schestowitz-TR; this post itself is design to maked *designed) it more visible
08:19 schestowitz-TR; but I've taken your suggesteion and applied it
08:19 Techrights-sec2; https://html.com/semantic-markup/
08:19 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-html.com | What On Earth Is Semantic Markup? (And Why Should You Learn To Write It)
08:56 schestowitz-TR; repairs = interactions with people
08:56 schestowitz-TR; I wrote about my experiences in Argos (in IRC)
08:56 schestowitz-TR; it's still possible to buy things with minimal human interaction
08:56 schestowitz-TR; repairs typically mean repeat visits, too (at least 2 unless you bring a book or something)
08:57 Techrights-sec2; the post helps because it highlights an important statement about patents
08:57 Techrights-sec2; the statement is important because it is from Bruce Perens himself and
08:57 Techrights-sec2; because it points out the need for action and where the institutions which
08:57 Techrights-sec2; are supposed to work are actively falling short
09:01 schestowitz-TR; someone new in irc with the name kate
09:01 schestowitz-TR; at first seemed like a troll, but no longer seems like it
09:01 schestowitz-TR; are economics on-topic there?
09:02 schestowitz-TR; it does have a bearing on tech issues, inc. empoployment matters
09:02 schestowitz-TR; it's not as off-putting, either
09:02 schestowitz-TR; not as "divisive"
09:02 schestowitz-TR; no connection to the kde editor (btw, DT ranked it very low in his rercent video; I think he barely even used it or learned its features)
09:02 schestowitz-TR; yesterday I opend kwrite by accident
09:02 schestowitz-TR; I used it around 2003-4
09:02 schestowitz-TR; now kwrite is officially deprecated iirc, as of months ago
09:02 schestowitz-TR; kate also got a feature I liked nedit for
09:02 schestowitz-TR; in kde neon (latest plasma)
09:02 schestowitz-TR; it is called "block selection mode"
09:02 schestowitz-TR; nedit already had that more than 20 years ago
09:02 Techrights-sec2; as in the editor?
09:02 Techrights-sec2; ack
09:13 schestowitz-TR; bbl, running to feed birds, it's sunny today and not hot (~20)
09:13 schestowitz-TR; working tonight, then off work till weekend
09:14 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:59 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "Recent blood studies on the continent show up to 65% of people in Africa have been infected with COVID-19." https://adf-magazine.com/2022/06/nigeria-offers-many-covid-19-lessons/
12:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-adf-magazine.com | Nigeria Offers Many COVID-19 Lessons - Africa Defense Forum
12:59 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- adf-magazine.com | Nigeria Offers Many COVID-19 Lessons - Africa Defense Forum
13:00 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "New studies suggest that bits of COVID-19 can linger in a patients gastrointestinal system for months after the person is infected." https://adf-magazine.com/2022/06/ghost-covid-19-fragments-may-stay-in-stomach-for-months/
13:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-adf-magazine.com | Ghost COVID-19 Fragments May Stay in Stomach for Months - Africa Defense Forum
13:00 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- adf-magazine.com | Ghost COVID-19 Fragments May Stay in Stomach for Months - Africa Defense Forum
13:00 schestowitz-TR; took 30+ months to figure that out?
13:06 Techrights-sec2; ack
13:06 Techrights-sec2; SARS-CoV-2 was vastly underreported in all of Africa;
13:06 Techrights-sec2; there was a lot of disinformation about it apparently, too, like
13:06 Techrights-sec2; elsewhere, but tailored for regional populations
13:34 schestowitz-TR; mojito and lime today
13:34 schestowitz-TR; we've finally finished all the alcohol in the house, for first time since 2014, I think
13:34 schestowitz-TR; making more room for food storage
13:34 schestowitz-TR; given that prices go up
13:34 schestowitz-TR; and we have the space
13:34 schestowitz-TR; breakfast was outside today, I might soon have some mild tan (good for videoe, I suppose)
13:34 schestowitz-TR; but I need more topics worth covering
13:34 schestowitz-TR; I'm perpetually at a shotage for them
13:34 schestowitz-TR; ota
13:57 schestowitz-TR; done, it was about edge and msie
13:57 schestowitz-TR; any comments on that? I can add to the text
13:57 schestowitz-TR; no draft yet, I am typing it now having fgionisahed thr recording
13:57 schestowitz-TR; *finished
13:58 Techrights-sec2; checking
13:58 Techrights-sec2; ack
13:58 Techrights-sec2; be sure to touch on https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-fact
13:58 Techrights-sec2; as well as the metastacization that will leave bits of MSIE embedded in
13:58 Techrights-sec2; an accessible manner inside Windoze for as long as Windoze persists
13:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.justice.gov | U.S. V. Microsoft: Court's Findings Of Fact
14:06 schestowitz-TR; ok, give me 5 mins to write a conciuse summary for video and key points........
14:06 schestowitz-TR; draft
14:06 Techrights-sec2; here's one overview https://www.wired.com/2002/11/u-s-v-microsoft-timeline/
14:06 Techrights-sec2; https://www.wired.com/2001/01/ms-judge-rips-gates-again/
14:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-U.S. v. Microsoft: Timeline | WIRED
14:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-MS Judge Rips Gates Again | WIRED
14:12 Techrights-sec2; checking
14:12 Techrights-sec2; s/looking into/which looked into/
14:12 Techrights-sec2; Edge is just rebranded Chromium with some proprietary bits thrown in
14:13 schestowitz-TR; adding/quoting
14:13 schestowitz-TR; cheers, very helpful!
14:16 schestowitz-TR; summary added
14:17 Techrights-sec2; np
14:18 schestowitz-TR; opposing crime is hatred
14:18 schestowitz-TR; we should only have justices and jusgde like Mr. acosta from FL
14:19 Techrights-sec2; https://money.cnn.com/2000/06/07/technology/microsoft_ruling/
14:19 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-money.cnn.com | The big breakup - Jun. 7, 2000
14:20 Techrights-sec2; "In a scathing memorandum that accompanied his 14-page decision ..."
14:20 Techrights-sec2; that link would be useful to have ...
14:20 schestowitz-TR; adding to summary
14:26 Techrights-sec2; thanks
14:27 schestowitz-TR; there is a saying that I think is a sort of informal guiding motto in TR
14:27 schestowitz-TR; even if a thousand people say a lie or someting that is wrong
14:27 schestowitz-TR; you should still inists on what it true
14:27 schestowitz-TR; and repeat that regardless
14:27 schestowitz-TR; because it is important, still
14:27 schestowitz-TR; in russia, for inatance
14:28 Techrights-sec2; https://www.inputmag.com/tech/microsoft-is-replacing-edge-with-its-new-chromium-browser-next-week
14:28 Techrights-sec2; ack
14:28 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.inputmag.com | Microsoft is replacing Edge with its new Chromium browser next week
14:33 schestowitz-TR; is this a url to add?
14:33 Techrights-sec2; nah
14:33 Techrights-sec2; maybe / maybe not relevant : https://privacytests.org/
14:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-PrivacyTests.org: open-source tests of web browser privacy
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14:36 schestowitz-TR; added.
14:36 schestowitz-TR; final read...
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14:40 Techrights-sec2; checking
14:40 Techrights-sec2; seems good
14:40 Techrights-sec2; those old links keep getting harder to retrieve
14:44 schestowitz-TR; [12:39] <techrights-news> Feedburner ended up as experiment for Gulag in how much spying can be done over RSS (after/during/before killing Google Reader).
14:44 schestowitz-TR; When the experiment was done Gulag killed off most of Feedburner
14:44 schestowitz-TR; [12:45] <techrights-news> Techrights will carry on its campaigning against Google News (Gulag Noise), having officially abandoned all of it and having rep
14:44 schestowitz-TR; eatedly complained about it getting worse... for years
14:44 schestowitz-TR; [12:47] <techrights-news> Feedburner is an apt name because it got burned by Gulag after it had burned many sites by encouraging them to outsource their s
14:44 schestowitz-TR; yndication. Suffice to say, some sites lost MILLIONS of readers. Why did they trust Feedburner to manage that? Short-sighted.
14:44 schestowitz-TR; [10:43] <kate> i cant find any site with out google
14:44 schestowitz-TR; [10:43] <schestowitz_TR> Gulag Inc.Alphabet is a giant waste of energy and Hubris
14:44 schestowitz-TR; [12:57] <techrights-news> Gulag is about mass surveillance, not code. It's just trying to 'geekwash' of sciencewash an inherently imperialistic function h
14:44 schestowitz-TR; ttps://www.geeksforgeeks.org/google-hash-code/
14:44 schestowitz-TR; [11:18] <techrights-news> Gulag chooses the world's biggest prison (over 10 million female inmates) for its gulag/DC https://www.dw.com/en/google-cloud-pl
14:44 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.dw.com/en/google-cloud-pl )
14:44 schestowitz-TR; ans-in-saudi-arabia-risk-lives/a-62169467
14:44 schestowitz-TR; among lots
14:44 schestowitz-TR; more
14:44 schestowitz-TR; I cannot find what I look for.. something to the effect of us going hard on Google and its manipulation
14:50 Techrights-sec2; ack
14:50 Techrights-sec2; yes they cheapen and undermine the long history of crime
14:50 Techrights-sec2; google is not good but is still in a whole separate category from M$
14:50 Techrights-sec2; yes the threat (and damage) is quite different
14:51 schestowitz-TR; i have it when people say thiongs like gulag is the next microsoft
14:51 schestowitz-TR; that's like saying putin is literallyt hitler
14:51 schestowitz-TR; they cheapen the original evil
14:51 schestowitz-TR; also, gulag is a very diffeerne tKIND of threat to us
14:53 schestowitz-TR; I am still trying to better understand the situation
14:53 schestowitz-TR; matey helps a lot (it's fig)
14:53 schestowitz-TR; in a nutshell, gulag proactrively bought our hearts, minds,a nd speech
14:53 schestowitz-TR; with gesture of supposed goodwill
14:53 schestowitz-TR; usually wrapped up in ethno-economic clothing
14:53 schestowitz-TR; so that discourages and stigmatises the critics
14:53 Techrights-sec2; they were doing quite well initially, but got taken over in a more or less
14:53 Techrights-sec2; hostile takeover
14:54 schestowitz-TR; search foir (ig gulag or its proxy allow it):
14:54 schestowitz-TR; brin removed google
14:56 schestowitz-TR; lf to linus: thanks, good stuff; but you have skilsl, not money. you need money to get big, now it's us in charge
14:56 schestowitz-TR; repeat for fsf and gulag
14:56 schestowitz-TR; brin alwaysstroke me as decent and principles (hated autocracy, loved "linux")
14:56 schestowitz-TR; made the logo with the GIMP in the 90s
14:56 schestowitz-TR; but he's not the decision-making authority anymore
14:57 Techrights-sec2; https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/14/4330704/google-ceo-larry-page-says-his-voice-loss-was-caused-by-vocal-cord
14:57 Techrights-sec2; the MBAs and, presumably via them, the Pentagon took over
14:57 Techrights-sec2; yes they were quite constructive in the beginning before it all got taken
14:57 Techrights-sec2; out of their hands
14:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Google CEO Larry Page says his voice problems were caused by vocal cord paralysis - The Verge
14:58 schestowitz-TR; iirc, larry's dad is a lecturer in CS somewhere in a middle state
14:58 schestowitz-TR; he's OK
14:58 schestowitz-TR; but Brin had a tougher early life experience
14:58 schestowitz-TR; so he is more resistant to misuse of power
14:58 schestowitz-TR; sorry for all the typos, drink in head
14:58 Techrights-sec2; https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/147363/the-real-mojito/
14:58 Techrights-sec2; careful with system administration tasks for a bit
14:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Real Mojito Recipe | Allrecipes
14:59 schestowitz-TR; no admin at my end, mostly daily links stuff for a while
14:59 schestowitz-TR; I start work at 5:30
15:00 Techrights-sec2; https://www.jamieoliver.com/drinks-tube/recipe/cuba-libre/
15:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.jamieoliver.com | Cuba Libre | Drinks Recipes | Drinks Tube
15:05 schestowitz-TR; at the gym I have a friend who sparred with Tyson Furty
15:05 schestowitz-TR; he's very tall and quite strong
15:05 schestowitz-TR; stronger than me in some things
15:05 schestowitz-TR; some, not all
15:05 schestowitz-TR; I still see him in the street sometimes
15:05 schestowitz-TR; we finished with the gym May 2021
15:05 Techrights-sec2; yes too bad about having to stop the gym
15:05 schestowitz-TR; this saves us 1100 pounds a year, savings on gas and water aside, and risk of infection is a lot lower
15:06 Techrights-sec2; there are a lot of advantages which offset some of the obvious disadvantages
15:06 Techrights-sec2; having a bit of distance from work helps with the physical and mental preparation
15:06 Techrights-sec2; but it's not feasible to attend a gym any more, at least not for the foreseable
15:06 Techrights-sec2; future
15:07 schestowitz-TR; I had gone there since 2000
15:07 schestowitz-TR; checking covid19 nstats for money, biweekly now, but maybe too early yet
15:14 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Despite Sharp Rise in COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalisations the British Government Demotes Transparency (From Twice a Week to Once a Week!) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/20/coronavirus-secrecy/
15:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Despite Sharp Rise in COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalisations the British Government Demotes Transparency (From Twice a Week to Once a Week!)
15:14 Techrights-sec2; https://www.theringer.com/tech/2018/5/18/17362452/microsoft-antitrust-lawsuit-netscape-internet-explorer-20-years
15:14 Techrights-sec2; https://www.computerworld.com/article/2581555/retiring-microsoft-official-urges-open-source-embrace.html
15:14 Techrights-sec2; " "Useful software written above the level of the single device will command high margins for a long time to come. Stop looking over your shoulder and in
15:14 Techrights-sec2; vent something!"
15:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theringer.com | Crush Them: An Oral History of the Lawsuit That Upended Silicon Valley - The Ringer
15:15 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Retiring Microsoft Official Urges Open-Source Embrace | Computerworld
15:17 Techrights-sec2; ack
15:52 u-amarsh04; we still get daily COVID-19 statistics in Australia
16:27 schestowitz-TR; australia always took it more seriously
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17:01 schestowitz-TR; I see more gulagtuber hanging or throwing in the towel
17:02 schestowitz-TR; very good
17:03 Techrights-sec2; hopefully they publish one last video on the way out explaining why;
17:03 Techrights-sec2; many have gone to LBRY but I don't think that LBRY can last
17:03 schestowitz-TR; When I was about 30 or younger I already saw some kids who dropped out of college, whey they had enrolled, to do
17:03 schestowitz-TR; their youtube career [sic]
17:04 schestowitz-TR; I have not followed them closely since then, but all the incentives given to celement this monopoly are going away
17:04 Techrights-sec2; they probably went back to finish their degrees
17:04 Techrights-sec2; the youtube videos are peppered with long, unskippable advertisements and
17:04 Techrights-sec2; they get demonetized quickly and for no apparent reason and
17:04 Techrights-sec2; even when they are not demonetized, they bring in negligible money
17:04 Techrights-sec2; so it's a lot of work and no economic reward
17:06 schestowitz-TR; som people selectively boast only about their most "successful" videos
17:06 schestowitz-TR; that may have gone viral
17:06 schestowitz-TR; there is no "recipe" for doing this every day
17:06 schestowitz-TR; it's not a fixed income
17:06 Techrights-sec2; it's at best a supplemental income and maybe a hobby which can pay for itself
17:09 schestowitz-TR; one reasons many news sites and blogs perish is,
17:09 schestowitz-TR; they wrongly assumed ad revenue would be OK
17:09 schestowitz-TR; they keep blaming blockers
17:09 schestowitz-TR; but the money paid by ads is one massive bubble and a lie
17:09 schestowitz-TR; in 2003 I saw some online posters claiming gulag adsenbse had paid them x money
17:09 schestowitz-TR; that was not really possible
17:09 schestowitz-TR; it sets the wrong expectations
17:10 Techrights-sec2; ad revenue was often a lie
17:10 Techrights-sec2; about 20 years ago, the ad distributors would often refuse to pay any money
17:10 Techrights-sec2; to FOSS-oriented web sites claiming "fraudulent" metrics
17:10 Techrights-sec2; expectations are one thing but getting the agreed upon money out of them is
17:10 Techrights-sec2; another and they generally seem dead set against paying for sites which advance
17:10 Techrights-sec2; GNU or FOSS. Note that Lunduke repeatedly had problems with Youtube not paying
17:10 Techrights-sec2; him for any videos with "Linux" in the title. It got to be so predictable that
17:11 Techrights-sec2; he experimented with that a bit before leaving Youtube completely.
17:12 Techrights-sec2; yes, I figure that has been one of the long running goals across these many
17:12 Techrights-sec2; companies
17:13 schestowitz-TR; way to esnure some topics do not get covered at all
17:13 schestowitz-TR; or, if they get covered, they never reach mainstream -level exposure
17:13 schestowitz-TR; sharing is not good for what they are hoping to accomplish, even if they too are a bubble economy like spotify or -- for wha matter -- youtube
17:13 schestowitz-TR; they can go to hell with their wall street bailout "defence" money
17:13 schestowitz-TR; they are riding the backs of taxpayers with two daytime jobs
17:14 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:15 schestowitz-TR; it's almost 5:30 (work) and already 20.5k reqs in gemini
17:15 schestowitz-TR; I have nearly cleaned my feeds
17:15 schestowitz-TR; rianne is out hunting for discounts
17:15 schestowitz-TR; the meetings for the company should be over by month's end, they keep kicking the can
17:15 Techrights-sec2; any clear idea of what they are procrastinating?
17:16 schestowitz-TR; idea yes, clear not
17:22 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:24 schestowitz-TR; we get paid in the meantime, about 3k a month, so we don't mind much
17:24 schestowitz-TR; I mean, I want to work less
17:24 schestowitz-TR; but if not, I still get paid, never mind if money loses its value fast
17:24 schestowitz-TR; I don't think anyone get raises proportional to inflation this past year
17:24 schestowitz-TR; to reach 55 we need something similar to the rate of spendings
17:24 schestowitz-TR; that assumes the pension too itself does not totally collapse
17:24 schestowitz-TR; "may you live in interesting times"
17:29 Techrights-sec2; still some plan for pension ought to be carried out IMO
18:12 schestowitz-TR; the notion of a pension is now unclear to all, who cannot predict the future
18:12 schestowitz-TR; billionaires do not need to worry about it
18:12 schestowitz-TR; they don't think likwe we do and they are not in the same scenario
18:12 schestowitz-TR; the pensions might be at their mercy
18:15 Techrights-sec2; an inflation can munch it all down to nothing in short order
18:15 Techrights-sec2; or another 2008-style bailout can loot the coffers
18:15 schestowitz-TR; having more and more stored is not a panacea
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18:26 Techrights-sec2; apparently not
18:26 Techrights-sec2; thus some of the interest around the world in realestate speculation over
18:26 Techrights-sec2; the last 30 years
18:30 schestowitz-TR; a helpful thought exercise is,
18:30 schestowitz-TR; breaking homes down to bits
18:30 schestowitz-TR; (or cars)
18:30 schestowitz-TR; and assess the real cost of pertinent parts
18:30 schestowitz-TR; ask yourself if the sum total makes sense
18:30 schestowitz-TR; if there is a big and growing disparity, you are looking at abundance
18:30 schestowitz-TR; with my laptops, I look at the parts
18:30 schestowitz-TR; my laptop that I bought cost 200 pounds
18:30 schestowitz-TR; a
18:30 schestowitz-TR; new laptop 20 years ago cost a lot more for comparable parts with different specs
18:30 schestowitz-TR; and adjusted for today's currency it was like 10 times more expensive
18:30 schestowitz-TR; laptop, to me, offer a lot of value
18:30 schestowitz-TR; like a car to someone else
18:30 schestowitz-TR; but they cost like 100 times less
18:35 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:37 schestowitz-TR; car:
18:37 schestowitz-TR; 4-5 chairs, should be the price of a sofa
18:37 schestowitz-TR; chassis, thin metal sheets, 4 wheels and tires, some internal mechanics
18:37 schestowitz-TR; china can probably make one for 3 grand
18:37 schestowitz-TR; it would not last long
18:37 schestowitz-TR; but then again many of today's cars don't either
18:37 schestowitz-TR; (depending on where you are, e.g. singapore, a lot of the price of the car is duty/tax)
18:38 Techrights-sec2; the starting list price of vechicle in the US is over $40k
18:38 Techrights-sec2; and few people actually drive cars there, it's mostly trucks in different shapes
18:38 Techrights-sec2; did /any/ of the recent trade press articles about MSIE cover either
18:38 Techrights-sec2; the role in M$ anticompetitive activities or ..
18:38 schestowitz-TR; SJVN did
18:38 schestowitz-TR; I sent you the link here (IDG, computerowlrld iirc)
18:39 Techrights-sec2; GOod. Ah. Yes, that was an old one though.
18:40 schestowitz-TR; it was a new article, saying good riddance to bad rubbish
18:40 schestowitz-TR; I guess it's against zdnet coc and "hate speech"
18:40 schestowitz-TR; so he posted that in idg
18:40 Techrights-sec2; Old (by certain measures ;) )
18:40 Techrights-sec2; https://www.computerworld.com/article/3663442/death-of-internet-explorer-good-riddance-to-bad-rubbish.html
18:40 Techrights-sec2; ZDNet'c CoC would shit bricks over the 1990s articles in CNet, Wired, NYT,
18:40 Techrights-sec2; and elsewhere
18:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The death of Internet Explorer: Good riddance to bad rubbish | Computerworld
18:42 schestowitz-TR; people find ("doccover") and remember more recent literature
18:42 schestowitz-TR; it's the same with wars and politial history
18:42 schestowitz-TR; like romantasising all sorts of US presidents, UK monarchs, and PMs
18:42 schestowitz-TR; esp. after thy die
18:52 Techrights-sec2; part of it has to do with rhetorical device. people feel obligated to squeeze
18:52 Techrights-sec2; in a compliment at the start of their essay or statement; unfortunately the
18:52 Techrights-sec2; complements often get out of hand and create a myth out of thin air
18:52 Techrights-sec2; https://web.mnstate.edu/alm/humor/ThePlan.htm
18:52 Techrights-sec2; speaking of UK monarchs, I see that Andrew is still distracting from His Billness
18:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.mnstate.edu | In the beginning, there was a plan, and then came the assumptions,
18:52 Techrights-sec2; s/distracting/being used to distract/
18:57 schestowitz-TR; two bills, not just one
18:57 schestowitz-TR; in the court of public opinion he already lost
18:57 schestowitz-TR; but that does not mean justice
18:57 schestowitz-TR; it's a veryt messed up world
18:58 schestowitz-TR; a lack of punishment, also for the son of liz,
18:58 schestowitz-TR; erodes faith in the establishment in the legal
18:58 schestowitz-TR; system
18:58 schestowitz-TR; this becomes a rally motive
22:15 Techrights-sec2; mostly a smoke screen from bigger fish from what it looks like
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