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00:00 matey; s/compare/compete/
00:00 schestowitz; https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220116121253
00:00 TR Bot; LibreSSL update
00:00 schestowitz; january
00:00 matey; ok
00:00 schestowitz; https://www.mail-archive.com/announce@openbsd.org/msg00419.html
00:00 TR Bot; LibreSSL 3.5.0 Released
00:00 schestowitz; https://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220318065203
00:00 TR Bot; LibreSSL 3.5.1 development branch as well as 3.4.3 (stable) and 3.3.6 released
00:00 schestowitz; https://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220301063844
00:00 TR Bot; LibreSSL 3.5.0 development branch released
00:00 schestowitz; https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220424111345
00:00 TR Bot; LibreSSL 3.5.2 released
00:01 matey; nothing here points to libressl dying, on the contrary
00:01 matey; it seems to have "died" in 2021 but isnt dead in 2022
00:01 schestowitz-TR; maybe only in gnu/linux distros, but I recall something
00:01 schestowitz-TR; about the state of the project being dire
00:02 matey; maybe only in gnu/linux distros <- this is what i think
00:02 matey; gnu/linux abandoned it
00:02 matey; i may even recall hearing about it
00:02 matey; who knows, maybe theyll abandon c too
00:02 schestowitz-TR; I'll ask an openbsd user
00:02 matey; full c++ and rust, activelow will love it
00:02 schestowitz-TR; who might know
00:02 matey; mincer might know
00:02 activelow; matey: already happened
00:02 matey; activelow: fair enough
00:03 activelow; if the compilers are f****, then the entire distro is
00:03 matey; i think hes exaggerating, but thats ok
00:03 schestowitz-TR; Linux: we tRUST Microsoft
00:03 schestowitz-TR; Linux: we tRUST GitHub
00:03 activelow; including kernel
00:03 matey; if the compilers are f****, then the entire distro is <- i can sort of sympthise with that
00:03 MinceR; i don't know
00:04 schestowitz-TR; they called their OWN prohect "RUST"
00:04 schestowitz-TR; take a clue ;-)
00:04 matey; reminds me of kindle
00:04 schestowitz-TR; you know how rust forms
00:04 schestowitz-TR; and why
00:04 matey; i stopped doing business with amazon when they ANNOUNCED the kindle
00:04 schestowitz-TR; it's like when NSA uses octpus logos for its projects
00:04 schestowitz-TR; as if to make fun of itself
00:04 schestowitz-TR; or provoke us
00:04 matey; well, rust (the programming language) actually forms the opposite way
00:05 matey; from cutting off the oxygen to projects
00:05 matey; not from oxidation
00:05 matey; it smothers them in bloat and nazi-like mysticism
00:05 matey; theres a link i saw in irc, about rust mysticism (rusticism)
00:05 schestowitz-TR; "Congratulations to Rust for its first (but not its last) supply-chain attack this week! They join a growing club of broken-by-design package managers which publish packages uploaded by vendors directly" https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/12/Supply-chain-when-will-we-learn.html
00:06 TR Bot; When will we learn?
00:06 matey; w00t
00:06 schestowitz-TR; brb coffee on perculator
00:06 schestowitz-TR; *col
00:09 matey; https://github.com/mTvare6/hello-world.rs <- one of the funniest things youll ever find on github
00:09 TR Bot; - mTvare6/hello-world.rs: Memory safe, blazing fast, configurable, minimal hello world written in rust() in a few lines of code with few(1092) dependencies
00:09 matey; i think i found it via this channel
00:09 matey; "This project is very minimal, it only requires 1092 crates"
00:10 matey; blame brian kernighan, he made this possible :)
00:10 matey; the father of "hello world" but here its used as (informative) satire
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00:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 9.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 542.28
00:10 matey; To compile this project you need only one library
00:11 bnchs; matey: lol
00:11 bnchs; check the issues tab
00:11 bnchs; tons of security vulnerabilites related to those crates
00:11 matey; BAHAHA
00:11 matey; Message rejected for containing invalid UTF-8
00:11 MinceR; a library full of data storage devices with libraries on them?
00:11 activelow; found some more today... story surrounding bash/perl/python, where and how this creeped into... there's some interdependencies again
00:11 matey; all hail unicode, god of the plaintext underworld!
00:12 activelow; let's see what remains, without bash
00:12 matey; 1. cairo development libraries .1. libgtk development libraries .1. alsa-lib 1. glfw 1. freetype 1. libglib 1. pango 1. atk 1. pixbuf 1. gdk Just 1 lib as you can see the number list along the names
00:12 matey; #techrights : 05/13/22 23:11 <matey> 1. cairo development libraries .1. libgtk development libraries .1. alsa-lib 1. glfw 1. freetype 1. libglib 1. pango 1. atk 1. pixbuf 1. gdk Just 1 lib as you can see the number list along the names
00:12 bnchs; 1. libgcm
00:12 bnchs; 2. libio
00:12 bnchs; 3. libsnd
00:12 bnchs; all you need
00:13 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YkgfmWfJ11s
00:13 TR Bot; Air - All I Need - New Video! - Invidious
00:14 matey; rust, rust hurry hurry lover run to me
00:14 matey; ill compile, all compile you all through me
00:14 matey; ooh what you do to me
00:14 matey; /me casts keanu for the sequel
00:14 matey; it makes so much more sense now that hes been in the matrix
00:15 matey; im pretty sure that video was part of the franchise </conspiracytheory>
00:15 matey; the oracle was disgused as paula abdul
00:15 activelow; currently, /bin/ping isn't available anymore, without python/meson... imagine this
00:15 matey; s/disguised/disgusted/
00:15 MinceR; lol
00:15 matey; :>
00:16 matey; /bin/ping isn't available anymore, without python/meson... imagine this <- this is what i mean
00:16 matey; i mean ive said things like that
00:16 matey; how python is somewhat integral to gnu now
00:16 TR News; Linux Foundation is, in a nutshell, suits and nontechnical people exercising totalitarian control an authority over technical people, using capital as a weapon
00:16 matey; (github)
00:16 activelow; pythone-meson is fully wiped already, and iputils packages containing /bin/ping is easily replaced
00:17 matey; but what i never claimed to have the skills for
00:17 matey; is to build gnu to see if it REALLY needed python or not
00:17 matey; only it gets pulled in by any effort to build afaik
00:17 activelow; can't grasp the wisdom of this, to fist python/meson into the base system
00:17 matey; build-time dependencies
00:17 matey; i can
00:17 matey; its all bullshit
00:17 matey; its fucking bullshit, really
00:18 matey; this is what happens when "anything goes"
00:18 matey; when anything goes, everything goes
00:18 matey; and everything is gone
00:18 activelow; Vim, seems to do some things, with bash, insisting on it... why?
00:18 activelow; nvi is removed from gentoo tree (pulled it back into overlay here), elvis got no unicode
00:18 matey; freedom 0, which i would not get rid of
00:18 matey; includes the freedom to nuke yourself in the foot
00:19 matey; which gnu has demonstrated as beautifully as one can
00:19 matey; i would not get rid of that freedom
00:19 matey; but i would still advise people not to exercise it
00:19 matey; just because youre free to nuke yourself in the foot doesnt actually make it a good idea
00:20 icu; it makes sence to prevent drafting
00:20 activelow; i _must_ remove gentoo; yet for this, i need to wipe gcc, because i do not want to maintain crosscompilers for gcc without gentoo-tooling, and gcc is what it is
00:20 matey; gccpythonmesongithubibm
00:20 activelow; with a fast and simple compiler/linker/ar/as ... maintainence would be much easier, and much fun to hack
00:21 matey; gnu is on the verge of apple-level stupidity here
00:21 activelow; matey: the fact competent and intelligent programmers funded with alot of cash wasting millions of man power... this makes it worse
00:22 TR News; SMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAART... FIRE!!! IN ZA HOLL!!! What makes it "smart"? Bezos spying on your home? https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/insignia-f20-smart-fire-tv/
00:22 TR Bot; Get an Insignia 24" Class F20 Series Smart Fire TV for Under $100 - Make Tech Easier
00:22 matey; yeah, they had help
00:22 matey; apple can take a brilliant os and turn it into sludge, why cant we?
00:22 matey; oh wait, hold my beer
00:22 activelow; since you mentioned libressl, this is another problem, because _some_ packages must be updated, and often create nasty dependency graphs
00:22 matey; im not worried about libressl
00:22 activelow; (reminds my of python cryptography which they tried to attack with rustification)
00:23 matey; not every step to the perfect os needs to be taken at the same time
00:23 matey; its not possible and might be less perfect
00:23 *horseface__ (~goosestepping@x2hqxfjyhaw28.irc) has joined #techrights
00:23 matey; though saying "enough is enough" is more than fair
00:23 matey; what python crypto was attacked with rust?
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00:24 matey; im not aware of rust being used in python, is that what python 3 brings us now?
00:24 activelow; i am not joking, when saying baphometos is one of the very few "free software" distributions remaining
00:24 matey; you know if they add rust to cpython
00:24 matey; that makes it crpython
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00:24 matey; ada is more secure than rust
00:25 matey; then it can be CRAPython
00:25 activelow; ideally there wouldn't be many more build time dependencies, than a sane and efficient C compiler, bash, make, and a posix compliant shell
00:26 matey; /me covers his eyes and goes to the github page for cpython
00:26 TR News; The final release of Fedora 36 should launch the distribution to the top of the "best of" charts. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164681#comment-33663
00:26 TR Bot; Fedora Linux 36 Is Here with GNOME 42, Linux Kernel 5.17, and Wayland for NVIDIA Users | Tux Machines
00:26 matey; https://github.com/python/cpython
00:26 TR Bot; - python/cpython: The Python programming language
00:26 activelow; dmux desktop environment won't require much morethan this: c+bash+make, and a clean vi editor
00:26 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22051339
00:26 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/8qzcrfwg0oy81.jpg created on 2022-05-13 16:48:01.615092
00:27 TR News; "The fan-made PC port of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Ship of Harkinian now supports 60fps, GNU/Linux and more." https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/zelda-ocarina-of-times-pc-port-now-supports-60fps-save-states-linux-and-more/
00:27 TR Bot; Zelda: Ocarina of Times PC port now supports 60fps, save states, Linux and more | VGC
00:27 activelow; in worst case, i could live with bsd nvi editor... it can handle unicode, although it's limited, doesn't screw things up
00:27 schestowitz-TR; the microsoft media defines it differently
00:27 matey; Python 65.6% = C 32.3% | C++ 0.6% | M4 0.4% | HTML 0.4% | Batchfile 0.2% | Other (cat) 0.5%
00:27 schestowitz-TR; if crackers write something in go
00:28 schestowitz-TR; than golang is not secure
00:28 schestowitz-TR; they redefined the whole thing
00:28 schestowitz-TR; for their FUD agenda
00:28 matey; lol "batchfile"
00:28 matey; MUMPS: 0.1%
00:28 activelow; i wiped golang, the distfiles folder of this, how this looked like, was reason enough to do so
00:28 matey; COBOL: 0.05%
00:29 activelow; simply check some gentoo distfile mirror and see for yourself, the beauty of how golang distributes their drugs to kids
00:29 matey; parents who use rust, have kids who use rust
00:29 activelow; if i had kids, and they showed interest in computers, i would begin with some BASIC programming
00:29 matey; r.a.r.e rust abuse resistance education
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00:30 matey; critics say its just a retirement programme for c coders
00:30 matey; if i had kids, and they showed interest in computers, i would begin with some BASIC programming <- better than javascript
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00:31 matey; if crackers write something in go than golang is not secure <- hehehehe
00:31 matey; secure languages dont let you write malware :)
00:32 activelow; again, it's the modern compiler features which rust benefits from, not the language itself
00:32 matey; who needs to delete or format anything anyway
00:32 matey; when the drive is full, just buy a new one
00:32 activelow; and those compiler features are available to other c++ clones alike
00:33 MinceR; sounds like the only secure language is SIMPLE
00:33 MinceR; (Sheer Idiot's Monopurpose Programming Language Environment)
00:33 TR News; LOL. Akademy invites me to the event... USING a 1) MICROSOFT 2) PROPRIETARY 3) SPYING platform. Come on, folks... it's like shooting your own foot thrice.
00:33 activelow; "secure language" is missing a precise definition, it's marketing
00:34 activelow; openbsd implemented and integrated modern memory protection features decades ago already, linux too
00:34 activelow; with C
00:34 activelow; and asm
00:34 mjg59_; "Memory safe" has a clear definition and it's not one that can be achieved in C
00:35 matey; yes well, youre a notorious fan of self-serving technologies with "security" in the name
00:35 mjg59_; Rust's guarantees aren't a result of compiler features, they're a result of language design
00:35 activelow; mjg59_: sure, because it isn't achieved in C, it is not a language feature, it is compiler/operating-system/hardware features
00:35 matey; (self-serving for the corporations that develop them)
00:35 mjg59_; activelow: No, you're simply wrong here
00:35 MinceR; does "memory safe" apply to what you do inside an emulated computer?
00:35 TR News; People who use KDE want to get AWAY from Microsoft. That's why KDE on Windows (~2006) never took off and KDE software on Linux is nothing (the Windows Store telemetry confirmed this). Stop believing Microsoft-bribed media. Microsoft does not love Linux and almost nobody uses WSL. It was a failure. The marketing budget has run out, too.
00:36 mjg59_; MinceR: If the emulated computer is one that emulates things like hardware bounds checking, sure
00:36 matey; "its not a feature, its a design"
00:36 matey; "ohh"
00:36 matey; its a design, not a bug
00:36 mjg59_; activelow: Where is the hardware feature that stops me writing to byte 2049 of a 2048 byte array in C?
00:36 MinceR; sounds like you get to pick at most 1 of "Turing-complete" and "memory safe"
00:36 MinceR; i know which one i picked.
00:37 bnchs; "memory safety in impossible in C, because... because..."
00:37 bnchs; "JUST USE RUST ALREADY!!!"
00:37 matey; /me cries laughing
00:37 TR News; Bruce Schneier still getting his "info" from Conde Nast, a longtime Microsoft propaganda partner :/ https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/05/friday-squid-blogging-squidmobile.html
00:37 TR Bot; Squid Blogging: Squidmobile - Schneier on Security
00:37 mjg59_; If you have a memory-safe C derivative you no longer have C
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00:38 mjg59_; There's simply no way to avoid double frees - the compiler has no concept of what's happening there
00:38 activelow; mjg59_: depends, it is not that simple; if your write() touches a memory region marked as RO|X then this will trigger some fault in the mmu, which kernel may or may not catch and enforce policies for
00:38 mjg59_; activelow: Why would that region be marked RO|X?
00:38 TR News; A buzzwords mix-n-match https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/5-things-sres-and-sysadmins-should-know-about-rosa-and-cloud-services
00:38 TR Bot; 5 things SREs and Sysadmins should know about ROSA and cloud services
00:38 activelow; mjg59_: if this illegal write() touches a stack canary, then it is a compiler extension (SSP) which kicks in
00:38 mjg59_; If I've malloc()ed something smaller than a page then there's no way to mark the area immediately after it with different protection bits
00:39 MinceR; if you can write an x86 emulator in Rust, then Rust is not "memory safe"
00:39 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mLPIrcMmCl8
00:39 TR Bot; The Ending Scene From The Changeling - Invidious
00:39 MinceR; because you can run unsafe x86 machine code on it that does "bad" things
00:39 activelow; mjg59_: and another measure is libc functions such as strlncpy which dmeand a length parameter etc.
00:39 schestowitz-TR; rust is lots of hype and marketing
00:39 matey; mincer: but they can never escape
00:39 schestowitz-TR; even its own core people threw in the towel
00:39 bnchs; saying that "memory safety is unachievable in C" is absoulutely bullshit
00:39 MinceR; that wasn't a criterion
00:39 schestowitz-TR; and now we hear of rust security issues every monh
00:39 MinceR; also, some of the "memory unsafe" things also don't "escape"
00:39 mjg59_; activelow: If I have a 2048 byte buffer on the stack, immediately followed by another 2048 byte buffer, how do you prevent a write to the first buffer overflowing into the second?
00:39 schestowitz-TR; putting aside the breach that is outsourcing to Microsoft/NSA
00:40 schestowitz-TR; and then SILENCING their critics!
00:40 MinceR; for example, you could corrupt one of your objects in memory by accessing another object improperly
00:40 bnchs; mjg59_, write better code
00:40 mjg59_; bnchs: How do you prevent double free()s in C?
00:40 matey; mincer: if you run a browser in an emulator thats memory safe
00:40 bnchs; check if object is NULL
00:40 schestowitz-TR; Security[ n.]: protecting oneself from one's critics
00:40 matey; the internet can never touch anything important to you
00:40 bnchs; if you're freeing it, set the pointer to NULL
00:40 mjg59_; bnchs: People have been trying that for some time and yet we still have these bugs
00:40 activelow; mjg59_: how does rust do it? it's irelevant if strlncpy() or any rust-equivalent set a policy
00:40 bnchs; all you said can be avoided
00:40 schestowitz-TR; memory safe: making sure people forgot your security blunders. People's memory span is limited.
00:40 matey; rust eliminates an entire class of bugs forever
00:40 MinceR; you could also allocate a large array of bytes and then just do the equivalent of raw memory access and management in it, including buffer overflows
00:41 activelow; and it can be done with both: C or Rust
00:41 matey; yes but the buffers will overflow SAFELY
00:41 matey; be sure to make all your buffer overflows look like happy little overflows
00:41 activelow; mjg59_: the problem i see is another one, for example, Kernel and Hardware (intel) boast about NX bit, yet no sufficient policies are enforced for this by default
00:41 MinceR; what if you store a value that decides what your program does next right after the array you overflow and overwrite it?
00:41 icu; and c doesnt have garfage colector
00:41 bnchs; all of your bugs can be fixed with a simple valgrind
00:42 MinceR; what about the Boehm GC?
00:42 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: they don't trach that in college
00:42 schestowitz-TR; not they teach "javascript"
00:42 MinceR; what about garbage collected languages implemented in terms of C, like CHICKEN Scheme?
00:42 matey; if a buffer overflow happens on the internet, and the internet is down because of clownflare, does it make a vulnerability?
00:42 schestowitz-TR; and "stack"
00:42 schestowitz-TR; (web)
00:42 matey; clownflare: memory safeing your internets!
00:42 activelow; mjg59_: if you want i got some patchset here, forward-ported some W^X policy enforcement for amd64 to latest kernel (since grsecurity dropped support, and some other patchset wasn't maintained anymore, i did pick them up yet have no interest in x86/amd64 anymore)
00:43 bnchs; if you check the rust hello world example, you find tons of security vulnerabilites in the issues tab
00:43 matey; rust is everything w^x wants to be when it grows up
00:43 MinceR; lol
00:43 bnchs; related to shit like "regex"
00:43 activelow; mjg59_: let me ask instead, why does linux kernel not enforce sufficient policies for this?
00:43 MinceR; i didn't know w^x wanted to include a bunch of supply chain attacks
00:43 matey; SAFE supply chain attacks!
00:43 MinceR; lol
00:43 MinceR; not really
00:43 mjg59_; activelow: What do you mean by "sufficient policies"?
00:43 matey; yes, if you create a supply chain attack in rust, it cant do anything
00:44 MinceR; also, there are unsafe blocks in rust and you can do "bad" things in them
00:44 MinceR; so, again, Rust isn't "memory safe"
00:44 activelow; mjg59_: another question, why was it possible to enforce _full_ w^x policies on firefox 3.6.28 (javascript interpreter), and why isn't this possible anymore with any of the latest rustified javascript from moz?
00:44 TR News; "It was a bleeding-edge operating system, which meant it shipped with all the newest software." systemd is bleeeeeeding allllwwwight https://www.zdnet.com/article/fedora-36-is-one-of-the-best-options-for-new-linux-users/
00:44 TR Bot; 36 is one of the best options for new Linux users | ZDNet
00:44 activelow; mjg59_: mprotect()
00:44 matey; those bad things only happen to the hello world crates
00:44 matey; dont implement hello world and youll be fine
00:44 activelow; and some others
00:44 MinceR; lol
00:44 mjg59_; activelow: You can mprotect() code to NX
00:45 TR News; Corporate media: every systemd bug is "Linux" hole. Linus: wait, did anyone ask me???? systemd is not my project!
00:45 matey; seriously people, stop writing to stdio, its insecure
00:45 MinceR; to be fair, Linux isn't his project anymore either :>
00:45 bnchs; dude stop using rust regex
00:45 bnchs; it's INSECURE
00:45 MinceR; yeah, I/O is unsafe
00:45 bnchs; stop using stdio, insecure
00:45 matey; theres rust in my peanut butter
00:45 matey; theres peanut butter in my rust
00:45 bnchs; stop using string libraries
00:45 schestowitz-TR; eww
00:45 activelow; mjg59_: sure, yet kernel does _not_ enforce policies; to deny mprotect(R|W|X)
00:46 schestowitz-TR; matey: leaded rust?
00:46 matey; no, super unleaded
00:46 schestowitz-TR; flint experiment shows that's not suitable for eating
00:46 mjg59_; activelow: Right, because otherwise you can't write a JIT
00:46 matey; its only got a bit of arsenic
00:46 mjg59_; (Or you can, but with some amount of performance overhead)
00:46 MinceR; Rust with Tetanus
00:46 activelow; and concerning this minor detail, the latest rustified mozilla javascript engines are notworthy too, it is _less_ secure, _less_ memory safe than firefox 3.6.28 was (the last one i tested)
00:46 matey; rust + clownflare = rusty the clown
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00:46 icu; Rust is Metal aged
00:46 MinceR; Rusty Trombone
00:47 schestowitz-TR; matey: you can't say Tetanus without..
00:47 schestowitz-TR; never mind
00:47 MinceR; :>
00:47 matey; arsehole?
00:47 activelow; mjg59_: JIT does _not_ need unprotected memory down to system level
00:47 mjg59_; activelow: ?
00:47 matey; rustanus
00:47 icu; isnt metal apple stuff?
00:47 matey; what robots get when you make them memory safe
00:47 MinceR; i hope not
00:48 icu; its grafics driver for osx?
00:48 activelow; yet, mozilla/rust/mapple decided the wanted to, and say it is "memory safe" now... that's why all the "innovations", to apply runtime-diagnosts and forensics gibberish, injected by the compiler
00:48 matey; you just need preparation-c
00:48 TR News; Public Knowledge Applauds NTIAs Internet for All Roadmap To Help Close Digital Divide - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-applauds-ntias-internet-for-all-roadmap-to-help-close-digital-divide/ Source: publicknowledge
00:48 TR Bot; Public Knowledge Applauds NTIAs Internet for All Roadmap To Help Close Digital Divide - Public Knowledge
00:48 MinceR; even Java/Swing came with a Metal theme
00:48 activelow; mjg59_: if at least w^x policies were enfoced, then i would listen
00:48 TR News; GNU Linux Debian 11 (should also work for Ubuntu) compiling the latest kernel straight from kernel.org : (Linux/x86 5.17.7) https://dwaves.de/2022/05/13/gnu-linux-debian-11-should-also-work-for-ubuntu-compiling-the-latest-kernel-straight-from-kernel-org-linux-x86-5-17-7/
00:48 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://dwaves.de/2022/05/13/gnu-linux-debian-11-should-also-work-for-ubuntu-compiling-the-latest-kernel-straight-from-kernel-org-linux-x86-5-17-7/ )
00:49 matey; memory safe: the fictional repo george orwell wrote about where the party puts all the programs written in c
00:49 MinceR; lol
00:49 matey; "down the memory safe"
00:49 TR News; "One of the greatest innovations of the 18th century came about in wartime and soon helped to enable the industrial revolution. And it involved a simple idea: Machines in which all the parts could be replaced with other, similar parts." https://tedium.co/2022/05/13/interchangeable-parts-right-to-repair-debate/
00:49 TR Bot; How Anti-Right-To-Repair Companies Try to Have it Both Ways
00:49 matey; today its called the arctic fault
00:49 bnchs; memory safe
00:50 bnchs; today i had a memory unsafe event in my brain
00:50 bnchs; apparently i tried to read something before my brain could load the data into it
00:50 icu; there was protected mode in dos
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00:50 activelow; last time i checked on gentoo.org website, all webbrowsers, written "memory safe" were labeled dark red, vulnerable...
00:50 bnchs; and i ended up saying and shouting a bunch of bullshit
00:50 matey; bnchs, thats just deja vu, it happens to everyone
00:51 activelow; guess what, if i wanted to, pick up pyton2.7 again, and compile firefox 3.6.28, this one would be safe, without rust
00:51 icu; DPMI
00:51 TR News; Nvidia GPUs Are Starting To Embrace Linux More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164748#comment-33664
00:51 TR Bot; NVIDIA Releases Open-Source GPU Kernel Modules | Tux Machines
00:51 matey; <activelow> guess what, if i wanted to, pick up pyton2.7 again, and compile firefox 3.6.28, this one would be safe, without rust <- im not sure id go that far
00:51 icu; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_mode
00:51 TR Bot; Protected mode - Wikipedia
00:51 MinceR; DPMI wasn't protected mode, it was an interface to gain access to protected mode from V86 mode
00:51 activelow; matey: i would
00:51 matey; yes, you might
00:52 matey; confucious say one who goes too far is far gone
00:52 activelow; as far as "memory safety" is concerned, and firefox 3.6.28 javascript didn't have webassembly, so another good to go
00:52 schestowitz-TR; [00:50] <bnchs> today i had a memory unsafe event in my brain
00:53 schestowitz-TR; you should just crash
00:53 schestowitz-TR; or pass out
00:53 schestowitz-TR; to solve the issue
00:53 MinceR; Confucius say: Man who make mistake in elevator, wrong on many levels.
00:53 matey; hehehe
00:53 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, nah it just segfaulted safety
00:53 schestowitz-TR; man who fart in lift...
00:53 bnchs; with a loud "FUCK!!!!!"
00:53 bnchs; safely*
00:53 matey; mincer: we need memory safe elevators
00:54 matey; theyre insecure
00:54 MinceR; those would never move
00:54 schestowitz-TR; man who chases car gets tyred
00:54 MinceR; moving an elevator car is i/o
00:54 MinceR; Confucius say: Man who fart in church, sit in own pew.
00:54 bnchs; fat guy who chases ice cream truck
00:54 bnchs; gets what
00:54 matey; i/o, i/o, ram to device we go
00:55 matey; i/o, i/o i/o i/o
00:55 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/epo-gentlemen/
00:55 TR Bot; [Meme] Lukampinos | Techrights
00:55 MinceR; EIEIO error code
00:55 schestowitz-TR; Confucius say
00:56 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: ousted as billG
00:58 activelow; anyway, i must wipe the irc box soon, it is full of rubbish still
00:58 activelow; ideally i can replace the irc client with suckless ii within dvtm or similar... not sure yet what's best
00:58 activelow; anything which links against glib will be gone, and there is more on the hitlist of "free software" to cope with
00:59 activelow; bashism sucks
00:59 TR News; East European Free software dev diary... now in Barcelona https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/05/13/europe-trip-journal-entry-11-adios-amigas/
00:59 TR Bot; Europe Trip Journal Entry 11: Adis Amigas vanitasvitae's blog
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.60 k/sec., IPFS upstream 52.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 525.83
01:00 TR News; Apple... at the forefront.. STICKY NOTES! WOWOWOWOW. https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-sticky-note-apps-for-mac/
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01:01 matey; development without rust https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Frank_and_Jesse_James_shooting_Capt._John_Sheets.jpg/800px-Frank_and_Jesse_James_shooting_Capt._John_Sheets.jpg
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01:01 matey; development with rust https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/babylon5/images/4/49/Minbar_01.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20080429231332
01:02 MinceR; rust makes development awfully blurry
01:02 TR News; Apple fan to gnu/linux user: you need a MAC to get REAL WORK done. [starts scrolling down a facebook page]
01:02 matey; thats because its memory safe and ad-supported
01:02 matey; and jimbo wales left hand doesnt know what the right is doing
01:02 matey; which is secure by design
01:03 MinceR; that it is not
01:03 MinceR; now, if neither of his hands were capable of doing anything at all, that would be the beginning of security
01:03 matey; otherwise the right hand could be used in a side-channel attack against the left
01:03 MinceR; by design, that is
01:03 matey; well it depends on your threat model
01:04 matey; for jimbo wales (and especially his army of pre-adolescent editors) one hand is more than enough to get you into trouble
01:04 schestowitz-TR; "I'm a model"
01:04 schestowitz-TR; "of a dinosaur?"
01:04 MinceR; if your threat model is someone getting something done, the known definition of "memory safe" certainly helps against that threat
01:04 schestowitz-TR; "no, I'm a threat model"
01:04 matey; pfft, rust has never prevented people from getting something done
01:04 MinceR; are even the rashist editors pre-adolescent?
01:04 matey; its only slowed them down by an order of magnitude
01:05 MinceR; that would be because rust is not "memory safe"
01:05 matey; and brought projects that already worked to a hault
01:05 matey; halt
01:05 activelow; to answer the other question, if JIT is possible with W^X, yet it is. it is conceptually related to harvard architecture which separates code and data, correct me if i am wrong.
01:05 schestowitz-TR; selinux 'security'
01:05 schestowitz-TR; nag and nag
01:05 matey; but PREVENTING work? no
01:05 MinceR; SIMPLE is "memory safe", though
01:05 schestowitz-TR; protect the user from wanting to do what the user wants to do
01:05 matey; so is a rock
01:05 MinceR; https://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~avm/humor/plang.html
01:05 TR Bot; Programming Languages.
01:05 activelow; another security gag, to re-think, floppy-disks (1.4MiB) got a switch, for READ-ONLY
01:05 MinceR; indeed
01:05 schestowitz-TR; while ignoring gaping hole in the OS of the makers of selinus
01:05 MinceR; there's a Security Enhanced Linus Torvalds?
01:05 matey; in the future everyone uses black monoliths for computing
01:06 matey; theyre completely memory safe
01:06 icu; linux SE
01:06 MinceR; Second Edition?
01:06 matey; rust will be oldschool by then, it will be replaced with onyx
01:06 MinceR; nice
01:06 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: stanards edition
01:06 MinceR; Satanic Edition
01:06 matey; their slogan will be
01:07 schestowitz-TR; Ubuntu SE
01:07 schestowitz-TR; ask jono bacon
01:07 MinceR; UAC approved
01:07 matey; "rust is memory safe, yes-- but onyx is memory SAFER"
01:07 icu; if only they had rust to builf windows 95
01:07 schestowitz-TR; he threaetened them
01:07 schestowitz-TR; some community [sic] manager
01:07 schestowitz-TR; wannabe lawyer
01:07 XRevan86; https://yewtu.be/268zZqs-rvI
01:07 TR Bot; Can Putin accept defeat? Russia's way out of the war. 04MAY2022 - Invidious
01:07 activelow; since i cannot easily boot the ARM systems from CD-ROM (READ ONLY), i keep the rootfs inside a squashsf with some tiny scrambler to prevent weird things
01:07 MinceR; he could just commit suicide
01:08 matey; to attack a machine running rust, you need more than mere tempest
01:08 XRevan86; MinceR: No, that's a fairly realistic look.
01:08 MinceR; his role model did the same
01:08 matey; you need to build a cosmic ray emitter
01:08 schestowitz-TR; won't happen, MinceR
01:08 activelow; if something strange happens, i pull out the SD-Card, write a hashed/signed root.squashfs onto in a minute or two, and boot
01:08 schestowitz-TR; matey: his role model risked capture by soviets
01:08 activelow; baphometos got no installation procedure btw.
01:08 schestowitz-TR; so he was past his peak anyway
01:08 schestowitz-TR; wanted to quit on "a high"
01:08 icu; Putin would accept defeat if they would let him win the judo gold at the olimpics
01:09 schestowitz-TR; like john mccafee
01:09 activelow; there isn't any "installation"... plug in sd-card, boot, ifconfig, irc, done.
01:09 MinceR; i know, first NATO forces have to surround him while he's cowering in
01:09 MinceR; and then he can finally fellate his handgun
01:10 activelow; given the memory footprint, i estimate 64MiB RAM minimum for a useful system, and i'll crunch this down further
01:11 icu; 64MiB RAM should be enough
01:11 MinceR; ...for everyone
01:11 icu; ask bill gates
01:12 activelow; a TI89 got 2MiB ROM, and 256KiB RAM, give or take a few... and was useful, although not "free software"
01:13 activelow; and this is the bare minimum, i need, with any linux free software, a programming language and some vector graphics (to plot data graphs etc.)
01:14 psydruid; even if 64 MiB should be enough for everyone, 2-8 GiB is huge
01:14 schestowitz-TR; how much ram does a do-nothing android proghram allocate?
01:14 matey; <MinceR> and then he can finally fellate his handgun <- hopefully he fondles the magazine (anything can be a handgun, in the right hands)
01:15 psydruid; so if the system doesn't run well with that, something seems to be wrong
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01:16 matey; rust is a fine example of what openbsd devs would be like if openbsd was like red hat and debian
01:16 matey; monkey bukkake: its memory safe, bitch!
01:17 DaemonFC; Okay, so Mandy got his passport renewed and they said to expect it in 2-3 months.
01:17 DaemonFC; His friend is such an idiot that she punched in our street address and took us to the wrong county because she didn't read where it was actually taking us.
01:17 DaemonFC; And then she said she does that all the time.
01:17 matey; (bunny bukkake sold separately)
01:18 matey; *to the tune of baby beluga
01:22 DaemonFC; I thought I was going to throw up.
01:22 DaemonFC; Not only did she take us an hour in the wrong direction.
01:22 DaemonFC; But she can't drive worth shit and pumps the accelerator back and forth and avoids the cruise control entirely.
01:22 activelow; 64MiB is only a realistic minimum of RAM required with dmux+vi, with some sixel support, it's the most powerful IDE for maths and related
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01:29 DaemonFC; I set up the dehumidifier to drain into the washing machine.
01:29 DaemonFC; It should offset some of my laundry water and then that all gets purged down the drain anyway when that stage is done.
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01:32 MinceR; how much relative humidity do you get over there?
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01:34 TR News; Shows: Linux Out Loud and Linux and Free Software News Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164827
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01:34 DaemonFC; <MinceR> how much relative humidity do you get over there?
01:34 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164830
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01:34 DaemonFC; I got 12.5 liters by running it for a day and dumping it out manually a couple of times.
01:35 DaemonFC; But that wouldn't account for it shutting off the condenser to prevent overflowing.
01:35 DaemonFC; SO it may well be able to take out more if it's not interrupted.
01:35 DaemonFC; It's rated 50 pints per day under the DoE method and the apartment hovers around 80-90% relative humidity.
01:36 MinceR; ic
01:36 DaemonFC; Naturally, though, it would remove more moisture at first until it gets the humidity down to a reasonable level, and then it would slow down.
01:37 DaemonFC; So I'm guessing I'll get about 3-3.5 gallons out of it over the next 24 hours.
01:37 DaemonFC; Then probably about 3 gallons over the next day.
01:37 DaemonFC; And then about 2.5-2.75 gallons by the third day.
01:37 DaemonFC; And probably it should level out at around 1.75-2 gallons after it has been running a few days.
01:38 DaemonFC; I turned it off this morning at 10 AM with the relative humidity at 40%, and when I came back at 7 PM it was at 64%.
01:39 DaemonFC; So it's pretty clear that I'd have to set this thing to run at least 15-16 hours per day to keep the humidity at an acceptable level.
01:39 DaemonFC; It's pretty bad in here without the thing running.
01:39 TR News; Untitled webcomic Sports gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/comic/sports.png
01:40 DaemonFC; I've heard that the first few days are the worst though if you're emptying the unit manually.
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01:40 DaemonFC; After that you can usually empty it once every day or two.
01:40 DaemonFC; But for the first 3-4 days you'll empty it twice or more.
01:41 TR News; "I mean, not completely, as many of the potential underlying factors cited (e.g. "whole world would be better off without you") are absent for me." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/941
01:41 DaemonFC; Ideally, you'll be able to put the unit next to a sink and just run the included hose up and stick it down into the drain pipe and just let it run and forget about it.
01:41 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, we don't have enough space for that.
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01:51 DaemonFC; https://www.pcmag.com/news/windows-11-adoption-is-lower-than-windows-xp-survey-claims
01:51 TR Bot; 11 Adoption Is Lower Than Windows XP, Survey Claims | PCMag
01:51 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, ^
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02:04 matey; that worked well
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02:27 icu; time to install windows11
02:32 icu; i font get the point of benchmarking with top hardware?
02:32 icu; in low end hasdware thats were the difrence beomes more aparent
02:33 icu; crazy world
02:33 icu; RTX 3070 Gaming OC
02:34 icu; not even 1% is going to have that shit
02:34 icu; https://www.techspot.com/article/2278-windows-11-benchmark/
02:34 TR Bot; 11 vs. Windows 10 Performance: Gaming and Applications | TechSpot
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02:37 icu; if the pc market isnt going to have hardware comptitive with smartphones its going to die a swift death
02:37 icu; at least in the consumer market
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02:38 icu; but let them think what they will
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02:38 icu; for gaming you just get a consol so much cheaper
02:39 icu; so what do they think they are aim at?
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02:39 icu; they even need windows to come ip with crazy TPM2 to force people to upgrade
02:40 icu; good luck with that BS
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02:45 icu; https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/may/12/ebay-executive-guilty-boston-couple-harassment
02:45 TR Bot; Ex-eBay exec pleads guilty to terrorizing couple with spiders and funeral wreaths | eBay | The Guardian
02:49 psydruid; windows itself is bs
02:50 icu; windows works good enough
02:50 psydruid; it does
02:51 icu; you need to tame it into submission
02:51 psydruid; for killing people
02:51 psydruid; yes, by wiping it instantly
02:51 icu; wtf?
02:53 icu; i dont know what thew fuck you mean
02:54 icu; i love windows
02:54 icu; ever since windows 95
02:54 MinceR; y tho
02:54 icu; best OS ever
02:54 MinceR; what's so good about it?
02:55 icu; they have been ruining it alot
02:55 MinceR; that's what makes it the best?
02:55 icu; everything works
02:55 icu; lots o9f programs
02:56 icu; they ruined it after trying to become apple
02:56 MinceR; https://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
02:56 TR Bot; Hyperbole and a Half: The Alot is Better Than You at Everything
02:56 MinceR; i can't find a picture of the "ruining it alot" :(
02:57 icu; ever since windows 8
02:57 MinceR; i guess i missed Backdoors 95
02:57 MinceR; the first version i used on my own hw was 98SE
02:57 icu; 95 crashed ALOT
02:57 MinceR; that already had wonderful features such as installing the monitor multiple times and have those instances conflict with each other
02:58 MinceR; do you like crashes?
02:58 icu; at that time only thing better was apple but it didnt have all the programs
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 13.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 356.98
02:59 icu; 98SE didnt crashed much
02:59 MinceR; yes it did
03:00 chicksahoy; 98SE was trash, i liked win2k better
03:00 icu; cause you didnt used it right
03:00 MinceR; riiiiiiight
03:00 icu; winxp was much better
03:00 MinceR; using Backdoors right: don't let it boot in the first place
03:00 MinceR; then it can't crash
03:00 icu; you didnt had win95
03:00 MinceR; oh, it also trashed some VFAT partitions
03:00 MinceR; on a whim
03:01 icu; winxp had code red or what was it
03:01 MinceR; Mountain Dew Code Red?
03:01 icu; i got that shit thrown at me
03:01 chicksahoy; lol
03:02 icu; i fixed you had only like 1 minut before it rebooted
03:02 MinceR; blaster was like that
03:02 icu; after like a dozen reboots i got it working agian
03:02 icu; maybe it was that one
03:03 icu; i got it just after i 1st instaled it
03:03 icu; weee new windows lets check that out
03:03 icu; instant fail
03:03 icu; LOL
03:04 icu; i couldnt complai i didnt pay for it
03:05 matey; it took forever to get me to go from windows 3.1 to 95
03:05 matey; from 3.0 was easy-- 3.0 still behaved like dos
03:05 icu; windows 3.1 i never used it just lets keep to dos
03:05 matey; if something went wrong, you never had to worry-- the machine would simply freeze. for some reason they didnt call it "memory safe mode"
03:06 matey; 3,1 introduced the ginger-headed screen of death, which some people insist is blue
03:06 icu; if i needed it you would type win
03:06 icu; just like startx
03:06 matey; its obviously a ginger in disguise, or no one could hate it so much
03:07 MinceR; lol
03:07 matey; originally, and not for very long, the so-called blue screen of death was very welcome
03:07 matey; heres why
03:07 MinceR; i don't think the color is the reason why people hate it
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03:07 matey; in a situation where the machine would definitely freeze. now it MIGHT
03:07 matey; or, possibly, you would have a chance to save your work
03:08 icu; maybe it was the color on peoples faces
03:08 MinceR; also, i don't even mind gingers
03:08 matey; then shut down, because obviously at that point
03:08 matey; im very fond of karen gillan, so
03:08 matey; and scottish accents in general
03:08 chicksahoy; i remember the days of using trumpet winsock to get win3.1x onto the internet so i could use mIRC and Netscape
03:08 matey; i tried
03:08 matey; finally i just installed (from floppies) this package that my isp offered
03:09 icu; you should always keep your windows cd handyt
03:09 icu; i sure remeber that
03:09 matey; and it allowed me to connect to my isp in windows 3.1 without knowing which runes and chants would make trumpet winsock work
03:09 matey; no it was not aol.
03:09 matey; id sooner use cans and string
03:09 icu; i even had a windows cd costume made
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03:10 icu; with norton tools or something
03:10 matey; but anyway, after you see the bsod and maybe save your work
03:10 matey; which dos trains you to do every 5 second anyway
03:10 icu; also you should backup the registry
03:11 matey; type type type CTRL S type type type CTRL S (enter)
03:11 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 52 GB TotalOut: 11 GB
03:11 matey; uptime still > 200 days here
03:12 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:12 matey; you had to shut down after a bsod
03:12 matey; because after that you couldnt trust opening notepad to not freeze the system
03:12 matey; or maybe moving an icon would do it
03:12 MinceR; 14 040548 < matey> if something went wrong, you never had to worry-- the machine would simply freeze. for some reason they didnt call it "memory safe mode"
03:12 MinceR; the buzzword wasn't invented yet, i guess
03:12 MinceR; or wasn't popularized by the hipsters
03:13 matey; it was basically russian roulette with ram at that point
03:13 icu; how did you recover from BSOD?
03:13 MinceR; reboot
03:13 matey; oh we didnt trust reboot either
03:13 MinceR; hopefully into a real OS
03:13 matey; you could never be sure with reboot
03:13 matey; nope, you had to shutdown
03:13 matey; yes its harder on the power supply
03:13 matey; but ram-wise, far more reliable. or something.
03:14 matey; it also helped if you didnt look directly at the screen when you booted
03:14 matey; who knows what could happen
03:14 matey; or alternatively, you had to watch each step of the boot process
03:14 matey; some of these things existed for sound reasons, and the others, who knows
03:14 matey; couldnt hurt
03:15 MinceR; you can't shutdown if you have a BSoD
03:15 icu; i think MS it self coded blaster to fuck up piarates
03:15 matey; oh thats right
03:15 IPFS; QmYCG1uZdDgMXspdLbXDQngGQ4yhXE6HgWMFpDUPkCaRGd
03:15 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:15 matey; you had to ctrl alt del
03:15 matey; but in general reboot was not to be trusted
03:15 matey; i think i must have trusted it a little because i used it often enough
03:15 matey; but i was told by sages not to
03:16 matey; (i think maybe they were a little full of shit)
03:16 matey; there was at some point, probably a less than magical reason for all that
03:16 matey; /me shrugs
03:16 MinceR; rebooting from a system that's running and can be shut down is discouraged
03:16 matey; okay then
03:16 chicksahoy; powering down was for a good reason, you wanted to reset all the hardware too
03:16 MinceR; it can cause cache not being flushed and filesystem corruption, both of which can be avoided via a proper shutdown
03:17 matey; with systemd it simply tempts fate
03:17 icu; just the other month i had this thing in linux were it would only boot like after 3 trys
03:17 icu; i read it was something to do with google
03:17 MinceR; could be systemd
03:17 matey; which like everything else about systemd, is an upstream problem and they simply cant be arsed
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03:18 icu; it didt even reached systemd
03:18 icu; it was something with grafics
03:18 chicksahoy; icu: everyone here likes to blame systemd for everything
03:18 matey; "im merely infallible laddie, it doesnt mean im god you know"
03:18 chicksahoy; war un ukraine? systemd's fault
03:18 matey; idiots who troll us with bullshit? systemds fault.
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03:18 icu; its was some grafics file from google
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03:19 icu; i cant be sure but read other people having the problem
03:19 matey; fixed
03:19 MinceR; i meant the failure to boot, of course
03:19 icu; the screen just whent to sleep
03:19 MinceR; i would get a lot of booting to emergency prompt hidden on an inactive vc with ubunturd
03:19 matey; people who defend systemd should kill themselves
03:19 MinceR; thankfully not on my own hw
03:19 matey; bill hicks
03:20 matey; seriously, its a branch of marketing
03:20 icu; it didnt even shou any text
03:20 matey; he said it, not me
03:21 icu; may system uses up 650 M after boot i blame systemd
03:22 icu; i used linux that used like 150 m not that long ago
03:22 icu; with x running
03:22 chicksahoy; icu: what de
03:23 icu; xfce
03:23 icu; the same im using now
03:23 icu; even KDE
03:23 chicksahoy; im using fedora and gnome
03:23 icu; before the plasma thing
03:24 icu; thou KDE used ti sigterm error
03:24 icu; or something like that
03:25 icu; i cant only suspect its systemd
03:26 icu; from arounf 150 m to 600 m is alot ram to gobble up
03:26 icu; also it was 32 not 64
03:26 icu; so that surelly accounts for something
03:27 icu; gnome the kinder garden DE
03:28 chicksahoy; lol
03:28 chicksahoy; as far as wayland support goes, its the least buggy de
03:29 icu; oh look mom so many icons so litle text
03:30 icu; so many unicorns
03:30 icu; you got love how gnome makes this huge icons and tiny text below them
03:31 icu; its like form over function
03:31 MinceR; they'd prefer no text
03:31 MinceR; maybe they'll get around to it one of these days
03:31 MinceR; probably not before their beloved crApple does
03:31 MinceR; idiocracy style!
03:31 icu; and how they rename programs like TEST EDITOR
03:32 icu; TEXT EDITOR is it emacs vi vim nano
03:32 MinceR; none of those is "modern"
03:32 icu; NVM you stupid user use the kinder garden one size fits all
03:32 MinceR; then again, text editors aren't "modern"
03:32 MinceR; text is scary
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03:33 MinceR; and you might end up writing a program with it
03:33 MinceR; we can't have that
03:33 icu; yes people might actually notice that you cant read
03:33 MinceR; if you need a program, ibm/deadrat will code it into systemd
03:33 MinceR; and you'll like it
03:33 matey; happiness is mandatory
03:33 MinceR; exactly
03:34 MinceR; failure to be happy is treason
03:34 matey; lower your shields and prepare to boarded
03:34 matey; gentoo is futile
03:34 MinceR; treason is punishable by summary execution
03:34 matey; /me thinks gentoo makes one of the better cases for gnu/linux in the world, the only problem is linux, and probably gnu
03:35 icu; i still remeber that computer for the 3th world nations
03:35 matey; not that ive ever been able to use it
03:35 icu; thats were modern gnome comefrom
03:35 matey; the most common review is "i think its great, and i would use it if i could"
03:35 icu; what was it called?
03:35 matey; gentoo commands that sort of respect
03:36 matey; "no i have no use for it at all. but its so good i wish i did."
03:39 icu; https://olpc.com/pictures.html
03:39 TR Bot; - One Laptop per Child - Pictures
03:39 icu; thats what gnome is aiming at
03:40 matey; elementary os is imploding
03:40 matey; says lunduke, who you know is accurate
03:40 matey; i knew flatpak was bloated of course, but i didnt know it had enough mass to make a distro implode
03:41 matey; i did think elementary sucked enough though
03:41 matey; so its sort of been imploding from the beginning
03:41 icu; elementary is the apple look a like
03:41 matey; supposedly everything is systemds fault
03:41 matey; but even if elementary os didnt have it
03:42 matey; it honestly would still really suck
03:42 matey; so im going to go out on a limb and say this is one we cant (entirely) blame systemd for
03:42 icu; its imploding because they didnt use sytemd
03:42 matey; its not like you HAVE TO add systemd to make your distro suck
03:42 icu; wich is ofcourse systemfd fault
03:42 matey; people are just lazy and like a trusted solution for that
03:43 matey; elementary used several layers of things that suck, it didnt just rely on some cookie-cutter package for it
03:43 icu; you cant have a distro with out systemd its a FACT
03:43 matey; it even had mono for fucks sake
03:45 icu; linux people just dont have the taste to use an apple inspired gui
03:45 icu; fringe people
03:46 icu; their not cultivated enough to understand aple finess
03:46 psydruid; tristesse, you mean?
03:47 icu; https://etcherpc.com/top-linux-distros-like-macos/
03:47 TR Bot; Top 5 Linux Distros That Look Like MacOS | Etcher
03:48 psydruid; macOS's best feature is being buggy and slow
03:48 icu; cant they not understand that colsing windows on the right side its the natural thing to do what are they english?
03:50 matey; its never the ones that actually should
03:50 icu; macs looked alot better in 1995
03:50 icu; what was windows 95 donne right
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03:50 matey; for some reason, when people who use windows are curious about alternatives
03:51 matey; their first question is "why should i use this piece of shit?"
03:51 psydruid; what was done right with windows 95
03:51 matey; why were you curious-- and if not, why are you bothering people?"
03:51 icu; macs
03:51 icu; that / what
03:52 matey; /me is definitely in more of a "fuck you, read a fucking book" mood
03:52 matey; learn things, be less stupid
03:52 matey; or whatever, i dont fucking care
03:53 psydruid; why glorify two piece-of-shit operating systems from the 80s and 90s
03:53 icu; matey has kindred spirit
03:54 matey; because, tada, its what theyre used to
03:54 icu; why glorify two piece-of-shit operating systems from the 2010s and 2020s
03:55 icu; unix is even older
03:55 icu; LOL
03:55 icu; the father of linux
03:55 icu; that mainframe for you
03:55 matey; and why ask real questions when you can pretend?
03:56 icu; maxs had good hardware good screens
03:56 icu; retina display heh
03:57 icu; i did like that
03:57 psydruid; Unix didn't crash every 5 seconds by the 90s
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 366.61
03:59 icu; now its 4k 120 hz and still look like shit
03:59 icu; mac was pixel perfect
03:59 icu; no font somthing crap
04:00 psydruid; and then you look in the mirror and what you see also still looks like shit
04:00 psydruid; some things just never change
04:01 icu; that fuck you want?
04:01 psydruid; I don't want that fuck, you can have it
04:02 icu; LOL
04:02 icu; piece of shit hacker
04:02 icu; you my fan boi?
04:03 matey; if this sort of thing keeps up, mincer wont have to say anything anymore except "no u"
04:04 MinceR; lol
04:04 matey; me, im simply wielding egrep -v until none of this has any context
04:04 matey; but its more enjoyable that way
04:05 MinceR; lol
04:05 matey; theres no troll problem
04:06 matey; not with regexes
04:06 matey; its funny how much of this is directly related to a very old video game
04:07 matey; then again thats appropriate, given that i wasnt talking about spacewar, but-- maybe its karma
04:07 matey; this is more like lunar lander anyway
04:08 matey; you only have so much energy, you spend it on bullshit, then the whole thing crashes and burns
04:09 matey; shit, i just thought of a question for buzz aldrin
04:09 matey; "have you played lunar lander-- and it is harder or easier than the real thing?"
04:10 psydruid; if I hadn't slapt during the evening I wouldn't be awake right now
04:10 matey; im glad i didnt think of that one.
04:10 matey; plus im pretty sure its harder than the real thing
04:10 matey; and i dont expect him to admit it
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04:13 icu; idiots
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04:16 psydruid;
04:17 icu; heil putins
04:17 icu; internet putins
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04:18 icu; LOL bunch of dictators wannabes
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04:19 icu; server masters of the world
04:20 icu; you are going down with this stupid idiot world you created
04:20 icu; the monkeys with too much "intelligence" for their own good
04:21 icu; imbecils with an ego complex
04:22 icu; the more they know the less they understand
04:22 icu; FUCK YOU ALL
04:23 icu; you wont have your way with me
04:24 matey; its weird that people are too lazy to write, so they go to WAY more effort to do video
04:24 matey; nonetheless this is where a lot of content has gone to, and why
04:25 matey; some of it is useful
04:26 icu; dont need to know how to write to do video
04:27 icu; useful shit that whats were after
04:28 icu; besides theres no copyrights on irc
04:30 matey; oh god
04:30 matey; theres a thing called fnaify
04:30 matey; it lets you plan steam games on openbsd
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04:31 icu; so openbsd actually has trojans
04:31 matey; what next, activelow gets steam games running on an altair 8800
04:31 icu; assassins creed
04:32 icu; very educational
04:32 matey; /me is pretty sure fnaify isnt memory safe
04:33 icu; thats a good thing
04:33 icu; trojan work better that way
04:36 matey; worse, mono
04:37 icu; you should play games in stereo not mono
04:37 matey; you can also (this is probably better) run atari 2600 games
04:39 DaemonFC; I can't get over the Philippines using Frontpage 2000 for their government websites.
04:39 icu; you mean moon lander?
04:39 DaemonFC; Optimized for Internet Explorer 5?
04:41 DaemonFC; https://nypost.com/2022/05/12/calling-men-bald-at-work-now-considered-sexual-harassment-in-the-uk/
↺ https://nypost.com/2022/05/12/calling-men-bald-at-work-now-considered-sexual-harassment-in-the-uk/
04:41 TR Bot; Calling men 'bald' at work now considered sexual harassment in the UK
04:43 icu; im not english but i fail to grasp what 'bald' has to do with sexuallity?
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04:44 icu; maybe someone can enlighten me
04:45 DaemonFC; There was a question on the form if you've been out of state in the last 30 days and said if you've been to an "orange" state as defined by the CDC, then you were forbidden from going inside.
04:46 DaemonFC; I said, "I guarantee you if they use Frontpage 2000 they're not tracking whether you've been out of the state. What "orange" means is just some bullshit coming out of some musty bureaucrat's office and I guarantee you if you make me go to Chicago and Indiana is on the Orange list this week, then I'm going to be fucking pissed.".
04:47 icu; Calling women 'bald' on the other way its cause assault and battery
04:47 icu; wtf is that related to anything?
04:49 icu; Calling women 'bald' on the other way its cause for assault and battery in the usa
04:49 icu; LOL
04:49 DaemonFC; It could be discrimination under Illinois law.
04:50 DaemonFC; The blacks passed a bill that makes discriminating against "hairstyles" a crime.
04:50 icu; discrimination makes sense
04:50 DaemonFC; Bald is a style of hair (no hair).
04:50 icu; its a bit difrent
04:50 DaemonFC; So then discriminating against someone for being bald violates the anti-hair discrimination law in Illinois.
04:51 icu; you usual cal some one bald in a derogattorty way
04:51 DaemonFC; The law makes it an offense to force someone to change their hairstyle to go to school or work.
04:51 DaemonFC; Betcha that won't be abused.
04:51 icu; its more like disablity
04:52 icu; can you make fun of people with disability?
04:54 icu; what i dont understand is what its got to do with sexuality?
04:55 icu; if it was bald has in no pubic air might even make some sense
04:56 icu; like who cares the world is ruled by a bunch of idiots anyway
04:56 icu; no point trying to rationalize imbecilic reasoning
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06:36 DaemonFC; https://www.bobvila.com/articles/dehumidifier-water-uses/
06:36 TR Bot; 6 Smart Ways to Reuse Dehumidifier Water - Advice From Bob Vila
06:37 DaemonFC; Bob Vila actually recommended what I thought of, with the repurposing dehumidifier water for car washes.
06:37 DaemonFC; Only I just need a gallon or so each month to reconstitute my waterless car was concentrate.
06:38 DaemonFC; A lot of the rest will drain into my washing maching basin. I finally set up the drainage hose from the dehumidifier to automatically purge the wastewater into that.
06:38 DaemonFC; When I got a load of how much water that thing sucks out of the air, and what the city charges for water these days, I figured why not use it for something?
06:39 DaemonFC; I hate the government. Use the hundred gallons or so of wastewater for other stuff then pour it down the drain. Even if it saves my landlord the $2 or so each month, at least it didn't go to the government.
06:40 DaemonFC; Their latest outrage was tacking on a water surcharge to make people pay an assessment for a road that they are already collecting tolls on.
06:41 DaemonFC; Nobody remembers, of course, but when the toll road went in, back in the 1950s, the government promised that it would pay for the road and then the toll booths would go away.
06:41 DaemonFC; They only went away when the toll road figured out how to fire all of the toll collectors and force us to use RFID transponders on our cars instead, followed by another toll hike.
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07:23 TR Bot; Untold Stories 2 gets delayed | GamingOnLinux
07:23 TR News; Windows-centric, but some people try to change that... https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/open-3d-engine-v2205-out-o3dcon-in-october-with-proposals-open/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:23 TR Bot; 3D Engine v22.05 out, O3DCon in October with proposals open | GamingOnLinux
07:24 TR News; "Please Fix The Road is an upcoming puzzle game I highlighted back in March because it looks simply beautiful" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/please-fix-the-road-will-have-an-official-version-just-for-pirates/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:24 TR Bot; Fix The Road will have an official version just for pirates | GamingOnLinux
07:25 TR News; "By default, every command that you execute on your terminal is stored by the shell (command interpreter)" https://www.tecmint.com/run-linux-command-without-saving-in-history/ |
07:25 TR Bot; How to Run a Linux Command Without Saving It in History
07:25 TR News; "Ready for one more run? Funselektor Labs have announced that art of rally is set for another big free expansion." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/art-of-rally-is-getting-another-big-free-update-with-indonesia/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:25 TR Bot; of rally is getting another big free update with Indonesia | GamingOnLinux
07:25 TR News; "The latest update to Proton Experimental has landed for running Windows games on Linux and Steam Deck." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/proton-experimental-bumps-minimum-driver-version-more-playable-on-linux-and-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:25 TR Bot; Experimental bumps minimum driver version, more playable on Linux and Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
07:25 TR News; "Valve have released a small update for the Steam Deck, along with an update to the main desktop Steam client" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/steam-deck-gets-some-quick-fixes-main-steam-client-update-with-deck-verified-collections/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:25 TR Bot; Deck gets some quick fixes, main Steam Client update with Deck Verified Collections | GamingOnLinux
07:27 TR News; "A complete rebuild of snapshot 20220510 is syncing with the mirrors and should soon be a zypper dup away" https://news.opensuse.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-is-coming/ |
07:27 TR Bot; GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed - openSUSE News
07:28 TR News; "With Kubernetes 1.24 the gRPC probes functionality entered beta and is available by default." https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/05/13/grpc-probes-now-in-beta/
07:28 TR Bot; Kubernetes 1.24: gRPC container probes in beta | Kubernetes
07:28 TR News; "Kubernetes, containers and highly scalable [clown [dis]services are the modern elements of business software [hype]." https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/5-things-sres-and-sysadmins-should-know-about-rosa-and-cloud-services | Source: Red Hat Official
07:28 TR Bot; 5 things SREs and Sysadmins should know about ROSA and cloud services
07:29 TR News; "cURL is an excellent tool for network communications, it stands for 'client URL.'" https://linuxhandbook.com/curl-timeout/ | Source: Linux Handbook
07:29 TR Bot; How to Set Timeout in cURL
07:29 TR News; "The Fedora project will not include any package that doesn't comply with Fedora licensing policies" https://ostechnix.com/install-third-party-software-fedy-fedora/ |
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07:29 TR News; Nvidia Open Sources Linux Drivers!! But Theres A Catch https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/nvidia-open-sources-linux-drivers!!-but:7 Source: BrodieRobertson
07:29 TR Bot; Nvidia Open Sources Linux Drivers!! But There's A Catch
07:33 TR News; Framework laptop finally embraces "schematics or die", long live framework! https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/framework-laptop-finally-embraces:f +1 initial schematics ; -1 github ;
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07:33 TR News; iophk: the root password to bypass democracy https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/proposal-regulation-laying-down-rules-prevent-and-combat-child-sexual-abuse_en
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07:34 TR News; iophk: Microsoft represented there multiple times https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/linux-foundation-openssf-gather-industry-government-leaders-open-source-software-security-summit/
07:34 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation and Open Source Software Security Foundation (OpenSSF) Gather Industry and Government Leaders for Open Source Software Security Summit II - Linux Foundation
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07:35 TR Bot; Client Side Scanning May Cost More Than it Delivers - SoylentNews
07:36 TR News; "The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago" https://puri.sm/posts/the-second-best-time-to-protect-your-privacy/ | Source: Purism
07:36 TR Bot; The Second Best Time to Protect Your Privacy Purism
07:36 TR News; Games: Lovecraft, Please Fix The Road, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164831
07:36 TR Bot; Games: Lovecraft, Please Fix The Road, and More | Tux Machines
07:37 TR News; "My colleagues and I at Stanford University and Netflix, recently published a paper at the Internet Measurement Conference 2021 (and which was one of the recipients of this years Applied Networking Research Prize)" https://blog.apnic.net/2022/05/11/reducing-bias-of-networking-a-b-tests/ | Source: APNIC
07:37 TR Bot; Reducing bias of networking A/B tests | APNIC Blog
07:37 TR News; "These can be used to either protect IP directly or in a tunnelled mode." https://blog.apnic.net/2022/05/09/future-of-ipsec/ | Source: APNIC
07:37 TR Bot; The future (and history) of IPSec | APNIC Blog
07:37 TR News; "This prompted my colleagues and me at the University of Twente to think of how to further shrink the surface for abuse of open resolvers during DDoS attacks" https://blog.apnic.net/2022/05/13/open-dns-resolvers-from-bad-to-worse/ | Source: APNIC
07:37 TR Bot; Open DNS resolvers, from bad to worse | APNIC Blog
07:38 TR News; "This article was written so that focus can be brought to the accessibility of the Linux desktop." https://scribe.rip/@r.d.t.prater/linux-accessibility-an-unmaintained-mess-8fbf9decaf8a |
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07:38 TR Bot; Linux Accessibility: an unmaintained Mess
07:38 TR News; "its possible to run your Raspberry Pi headless (without a monitor)" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-matrix-dashboard | Source: Tom's Hardware
07:38 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi Matrix Dashboard is Packed with Features and Apps | Tom's Hardware
07:39 TR News; "Trailing dots on host names in URLs is the gift that keeps on giving." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/05/12/a-tale-of-a-trailing-dot/ | Source: Daniel Stenberg
07:39 TR Bot; tale of a trailing dot | daniel.haxx.se
07:42 TR News; "Firefox uses a multi-process model for additional security and stabilit" https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/05/improved-process-isolation-in-firefox-100/ | Source: Mozilla
07:42 TR Bot; Improved Process Isolation in Firefox 100 - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog
07:42 TR News; "Recently I wanted to do some basic data analysis using data from my Shopify store." https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/05/12/sqlite-utils--a-nice-way-to-import-data-into-sqlite/ | Source: Julia Evans
07:42 TR Bot; sqlite-utils: a nice way to import data into SQLite for analysis
07:43 TR News; "The Expert group on the Interoperability of European Public Services came together" https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/interoperable-europe/news/official-expert-recommendations-new-interoperability-policy | Source: Joinup
07:43 TR Bot; Official expert recommendations for a new Interoperability Policy | Joinup
07:43 TR News; "Once I decided to get back into blogging, I first went on a deep rabbit hole of researching what to use. It is not as if I didnt had a website" https://andregarzia.com/2022/05/How-this-blog-works-or-embracing-chaos.html | Source: Andre Alves Garzia
07:43 TR Bot; this blog works, or, embracing chaos AndreGarzia.com
07:45 TR News; The Shark Pen Is a Great Pen gemini://gemini.dimakrasner.com/the-shark-pen-is-a-great-pen.gmi
07:45 TR News; "Attraction is interesting because who you find attractive can surprise you. This is what dating apps get wrong" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
07:46 TR News; "You wanna know what's way more difficult than I thought it would be? Doing real work after over a couple decades of writing software remotely." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/944
07:47 TR News; "There's a question that I ask myself very frequently, which sounds somewhat like this: "What on Earth did the Internet do to people to make them so full of their negative opinions?"" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/945
07:50 TR News; "I also feel compassion for my students" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/opinion/college-university-remote-pandemic.html | Source: New York Times
07:50 TR Bot; Opinion | My College Students Are Not OK - The New York Times
07:51 TR News; "I found another interesting Word document that delivered an interesting malicious script to potential victims" https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28628 | Source: SANS
07:51 TR Bot; InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
07:52 TR News; "Enterprise purchasers should expect to become frustrated when purchasing new hardware in the coming months" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3660609/apples-mac-shortage-is-a-big-red-flag-for-enterprise-it.html | Source: Computer World
07:52 TR Bot; Mac shortage is a big red flag for enterprise IT | Computerworld
07:52 TR News; "While Apple shipping delays are hardly a new phenomenon, particularly with newer products, just last month, many of these products were being shipped within 2-3 weeks." https://www.macworld.com/article/700574/macbook-pro-mac-studio-shortages.html | Source: Macworld
07:52 TR Bot; WWDC looms, Apple is quickly running out of Macs | Macworld
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07:54 TR News; ICBM's Openwashing Festival https://siliconangle.com/2022/05/13/red-hat-summit-marks-triumph-open-source-rhsummit/ | Source: Silicon Angle
07:54 TR Bot; Hat Summit marks the triumph of open source - SiliconANGLE
07:54 TR News; Cisco Openwashing... while making things working for NSA (spies) https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/interview/cisco-community-is-key-for-open-source-security/2022/05/ | Source: SDx Central
07:54 TR Bot; Community Is Key for Open Source Security - SDxCentral
07:54 TR News; LF as the voice of Microsoft et al https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/linux-foundation-openssf-gather-industry-government-leaders-open-source-software-security-summit/ |
07:54 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation and Open Source Software Security Foundation (OpenSSF) Gather Industry and Government Leaders for Open Source Software Security Summit II - Linux Foundation
07:57 TR News; "Yik Yak, an app that acts as a local anonymous message board, makes it possible to find users precise locations and unique IDs, Motherboard reports." https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/13/23070696/yik-yak-anonymous-app-precise-locations-revealed | Source: The Verge
07:57 TR Bot; Anonymous bulletin board app Yik Yak is revealing its users exact locations - The Verge
07:57 TR News; "In this case, it means that the EU wants to force all providers of email, messaging, and chat services to comprehensively search all private messages, even in the absence of any suspicion. That makes the contents of messages no longer private between the sender and receiver, and client-side scanning breaks the E2E encryption trust model." https://blog.malwarebytes.com/privacy-2/2022/05/client-side-scanning-may-cost-more-than-it-
07:57 TR Bot; Client side scanning may cost more than it delivers | Malwarebytes Labs
07:57 TR News; "Stalkerware, also referred to as spyware, is software designed to secretly monitor another person, tracking their location, phone calls, private messages, web searches, and keystrokes." https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/05/12/1052125/google-failing-stalkerware-apps-ads-ban/ | Source: MIT Technology Review
07:57 TR Bot; Google is failing to enforce its own ban on ads for stalkerware | MIT Technology Review
07:57 TR News; "The Markup found, however, that while Hispanic culture was removed, for example, Spanish language was not." https://themarkup.org/citizen-browser/2022/05/12/facebook-promised-to-remove-sensitive-ads-heres-what-it-left-behind | Source: The Markup
07:57 TR Bot; Facebook Promised to Remove Sensitive Ads. Heres What It Left Behind The Markup
07:58 TR News; "This is a historic win for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)." https://blog.malwarebytes.com/privacy-2/2022/05/clearview-ai-banned-from-selling-facial-recognition-data-in-the-us/ |
07:58 TR Bot; Clearview AI banned from selling facial recognition data in the US | Malwarebytes Labs
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.88 average k/sec., average swarm size 334.15
08:05 TR News; "The lawmakers asked Meta, Twitter, YouTube and TikTok to preserve and archive posts related to the conflict that may provide evidence of war crimes or human rights violations" https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3486902-house-democrats-urge-social-media-platforms-to-preserve-potential-evidence-of-war-crimes-in-ukraine/ | Source: The Hill
08:05 TR Bot; House Democrats urge social media platforms to preserve potential evidence of war crimes in Ukraine | The Hill
08:06 TR News; Builder GTK 4 Porting, Part IV Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164832
08:06 TR Bot; Builder GTK 4 Porting, Part IV | Tux Machines
08:07 TR News; This week in KDE: something for everyone Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164833
08:07 TR News; This week in KDE: something for everyone Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164833
08:07 TR Bot; This week in KDE: something for everyone | Tux Machines
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08:44 TR News; "We cannot live in a world where Facebook and Google know everything about us and we know next to nothing about them" https://stanforddaily.com/2022/05/10/stanford-law-professor-calls-for-digital-platform-transparency-legislation-in-senate-testimony/ | Source: uni Stanford
08:44 TR Bot; Stanford law professor calls for digital platform transparency legislation in senate testimony | The Stanford Daily
08:57 TR News; "The airline revealed this week that it has cancelled 4,000 flights from May to August" https://cphpost.dk/?p=133791 | Source: Copenhagen Post
08:57 TR Bot; SAS cancels thousands of flights this summer - The Post
08:57 TR News; "cryptocurrency" https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/13/23070853/crypto-exchanges-delist-terra-stablecoin-luna-binance | Source: The Verge
08:57 TR Bot; Major exchanges delist Terra stablecoin as price collapse continues - The Verge
08:58 TR News; Big loss https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/emirates-air-lost-billion-80-improvement-84690619 | Source: ABC
08:58 TR Bot; Emirates Air lost $1 billion, but that's an 80% improvement - ABC News
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 33.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 352.81
09:04 TR News; "Its not a website. Your clients are internet providers. They are not websites" https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/13/23068423/fifth-circuit-texas-social-media-law-ruling-first-amendment-section-230 | Source: The Verge
09:04 TR Bot; A court just blew up internet law because it thinks YouTube isnt a website - The Verge
09:04 TR News; "still committed to acquisition" https://deadline.com/2022/05/elon-musk-twitter-deal-on-hold-1235023048/ | Source: Deadline
09:04 TR Bot; Musk Says Twitter Deal On Hold Following Spam Account Reveal Deadline
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09:19 TR News; "Musk puts on hold $44-billion deal for Twitter, shares slump" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/social-media/musk-puts-on-hold-44-billion-deal-for-twitter-shares-slump/91542502 | Source: India Times
09:19 TR Bot; twitter: Musk puts on hold $44-billion deal for Twitter, shares slump, CIO News, ET CIO
09:19 TR News; "Twitter deal temporarily on hold pending details supporting calculation that spam/fake accounts do indeed represent less than 5% of users" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/elon-musk-twitter-deal-temporarily-hold-1235146041/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
09:19 TR Bot; Elon Musk: Twitter Deal Temporarily on Hold The Hollywood Reporter
09:23 TR News; Gulagtube https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/amber-heard-trial-depp-youtube-content-platform-algorithm-tiktok-rcna28016 | Source: NBC
09:23 TR Bot; YouTube creators are pivoting to pro-Depp, anti-Amber Heard content and raking in millions of views
09:23 TR News; "And then there are the memes. So many memes." https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/amber-heard-johnny-depp-trial-spawns-memes-are-disturbing-rcna27415 | Source: NBC
09:23 TR Bot; Amber Heard-Johnny Depp trial spawns memes that are disturbing
09:41 TR News; "In Sweden there's a sort of unemployment fund you can opt in to paying to if you're in a labour union. If and when you lose your employment you will be entitled to payouts from this fund in lieu of a salary." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-05-14-unemployment-agency-hassle.gmi
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09:46 TR News; "Could Netflixs pain be someone elses gain?" Digital Restrictions (DRM) is a bubble! https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/free-streaming-services-tubi-freevee-roku-1235143393/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
09:46 TR Bot; Free Streaming Services Tubi, PlutoTV and Freevee Seize Their Moment The Hollywood Reporter
09:46 TR News; Digital Restrictions (DRM): "Netflix is advising its employees to be fiscally responsible, while facing a loss..." https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/netflix-tells-employees-to-spend-our-members-money-wisely-in-new-memo-1235145947/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
09:46 TR Bot; Netflix Tells Employees to Spend Our Members Money Wisely The Hollywood Reporter
09:47 TR News; "right of publicity" https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/07/us/bj-novak-photo-copyright-explainer-cec/index.html | Source: CNN
09:47 TR Bot; How photos end up in the public domain -- and can be used in ads around the world - CNN
09:52 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164834
09:52 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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10:01 TR News; UK COVID-19 Deaths Continue to Rise While Government Uses Data/Information Blackout to Hide the Trend http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/14/uk-deaths-covid-19-total/
10:01 TR Bot; Blog Archive UK COVID-19 Deaths Continue to Rise While Government Uses Data/Information Blackout to Hide the Trend
10:04 schestowitz; "On the eve of Russias full-scale invasion of Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelenskys rating was less than 25 percent. Moscow waging an all-out war turned Zelensky into a national hero one who now enjoys more than 90 percent support among Ukrainians."
10:04 schestowitz; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/13/the-collective-zelensky
10:04 TR Bot; NO TITLE
10:04 schestowitz; War makes people dumb
10:04 schestowitz; in Russia too, XRevan86
10:05 TR News; "Up until the end of April, a group of volunteers were working in Penza to help Ukrainian refugees get to St. Petersburg" https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/14/penza-volunteers-helped-ukrainian-refugees-leave-for-estonia-now-they-are-being-harassed-in-anonymous-russian-telegram-channels-and-called-ukronazis | Source: Meduza
10:05 TR Bot; NO TITLE
10:06 TR News; Surveillance is NOT "health" https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/mental-health-apps-privacy/ | Source: PIA
10:06 TR Bot; Mental Health Apps Are Not As Private As You Think
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10:11 TR News; "This year, weve already seen sizeable leaks of NVIDIA source code" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/13/nvidia-releases-drivers-with-openness-flavor/ | Source: Hackaday
10:11 TR Bot; Releases Drivers With Openness Flavor | Hackaday
10:13 TR News; FriendlyELEC unveils Rockchip based NanoPi R5S SBC with gigabit WAN/LAN support and HDMI output http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164766#comment-33665
10:13 TR Bot; NanoPi and Raspberry Pi | Tux Machines
10:17 TR News; Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) development starts. Here are all the details you need to know. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164835
10:17 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) development starts. Here are all the details you need to know. | Tux Machines
10:18 TR News; "Hackaday Editor-in-Chief Elliot Williams and Staff Writer Dan Maloney as they review the top hacks" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/13/hackaday-podcast-168-math-flattens-spheres-fpgas-emulate-arcades-and-we-cant-shake-polaroid-pictures/ | Source: Hackaday
10:18 TR Bot; Podcast 168: Math Flattens Spheres, FPGAs Emulate Arcades, And We Cant Shake Polaroid Pictures | Hackaday
10:25 TR News; "Illinois top financial official has banned local governments from using a state program to collect debt from students who have been ticketed for truancy" https://www.propublica.org/article/illinois-school-discipline-ticket-debt-collection | Source: Pro Publica claims to care for young people while BAGGING BRIBES FROM BILL GATES
10:25 TR Bot; Illinois Will Stop Helping Cities Collect Some School Ticket Debt From Students ProPublica
10:26 TR News; "entertainment companies announced suspensions of new business in Russia" https://torrentfreak.com/russias-forced-licensing-plan-for-enemy-content-legalizes-piracy-220513/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:26 TR Bot; Forced Licensing Plan For 'Enemy' Content "Legalizes Piracy" * TorrentFreak
10:26 TR News; "controversial takes on copyright and the DMCA" https://torrentfreak.com/elon-musk-overzealous-dmca-is-a-plague-on-humanity-220513/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:26 TR Bot; Musk: "Overzealous DMCA Is a Plague On Humanity" * TorrentFreak
10:27 TR News; "According to [Lee Teschler], the classic representation of encoders showing code rings is out of date" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/13/absolute-encoder-teardown/ | Source: Hackaday
10:27 TR Bot; Encoder Teardown | Hackaday
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10:32 SomeH4x0r; hi
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10:41 schestowitz-TR; hi, gm
10:43 TR News; Tyson kills. No, not the boxer. The corporation. https://www.propublica.org/article/documents-covid-meatpacking-tyson-smithfield-trump | Source: Pro Publica
10:43 TR Bot; The Plot to Keep Meatpacking Plants Open During COVID-19 ProPublica
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11:00 TR News; Alejandro Mayorkas https://fair.org/home/media-ignore-criticism-of-dhss-new-disinformation-board-unless-its-from-the-right/ | Source: FAIR
11:00 TR Bot; Media Ignore Criticism of DHSs New Disinformation BoardUnless its from the Right - FAIR
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11:19 DaemonFC; Based on what I've heard, Tyson was justified in punching the guy.
11:19 DaemonFC; For some reason, sitting right next to some asshole that ruins the entire flight is some kind of cosmic quirk where it happens nearly every time despite the odds.
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11:21 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/13/1098071284/this-is-how-many-lives-could-have-been-saved-with-covid-vaccinations-in-each-sta
11:21 TR Bot; Of 1 million COVID deaths, how many could have been averted with vaccines? : Shots - Health News : NPR
11:22 DaemonFC; And in a year, if you aren't fully vaccinated, defined as 14 jabs with a product that hasn't changed, they'll still be blaming you.
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11:32 DaemonFC; Maybe Biden will fix the formula problem like he fixed immigration, Trump's tax giveaways to Creepy Uncle Bill Gates, inflation, the economy, forgave student loan debt, got gas prices under control, and stopped the hyper-aggressive right-wing foreign policies.
11:32 DaemonFC; (my comment on WGN's latest baby formula article)
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11:41 TR News; The Original Linus Torvalds on Self-Hosting | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/self-hosting-torvalds/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/14/self-hosting-torvalds/
11:41 TR Bot; The Original Linus Torvalds on Self-Hosting | Techrights
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12:00 DaemonFC; "Bought my first BMW 7 Series in 2001. Kept the car until 2009 and put 169000 miles on it. Eventually, I learned to budget about 3500 - 5000 per year for maintenance after it was out of warranty. Once the car was paid for - spending $3500/year on maintenance didn't seem too awful. I mean all cars need maintenance to one degree or another. I bought a 2010 7 and loved the car but the warranty saved my ass. In the first two years of ownership -
12:00 DaemonFC; and well under 48k miles - I needed a new engine and a new transmission at the 23rd month of ownership. Then one of the computer modules crapped out and essentially turned the car into a brick. I put in the new module and traded for a 2013 model 7 series. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. By this time I'd learned to buy the extended maintenance and extend the warranties as far as possible. So when the transmission crapped out and was
12:00 DaemonFC; replaced under warranty (in fairness, they gave me a 5 series loaner and picked up and delivered the 7 to keep in my good graces, I think.) The three weeks it took them to get parts and put the new transmission in - along with the computer that controlled it, BTW, I tried a 2015 7-series. By this time, unless you spent the money for the highest-priced 7's, you got a frigging six-cylinder engine. The turbo's made it almost workable at lower
12:00 DaemonFC; speeds. Passing on the freeway when you were doing 85 and you overtook something doing over 95, was an ordeal and you couldn't count on it happening fast. This was NOT what I was paying $1500 plus tax per month for!"
12:00 DaemonFC; ---
12:00 DaemonFC; LOL
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12:01 DaemonFC; _Before_ they went totally to shit, you had to "plan" on budgeting $4,500 a year for car repairs. According to Edmunds, most American cars cost about $600-1000 a year in upkeep and repairs with that mileage range he was talking about on his 2001 BMW.
12:02 DaemonFC; Then he says he got a 2010 and the "extended warranty" replaced the entire powertrain and a lot of computer modules and the car wasn't even two years old yet.
12:03 DaemonFC; Then he bought another one. Same shit.
12:03 DaemonFC; No reason to fix it if your customers will buy the next one anyway.
12:03 DaemonFC; You just train them that they will be SO SORRY if they don't buy a $9,000 extended warranty and then ditch their car before it turns 5.
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12:21 TR News; "Like many of you, were intrigued by the possibilities offered by the availability of affordable round LCD" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/13/round-lcds-put-to-work-in-rack-mount-gauge-cluster/ | Source: Hackaday
12:21 TR Bot; LCDs Put To Work In Rack Mount Gauge Cluster | Hackaday
12:21 TR News; "Before IBM was synonymous with personal computers, they were synonymous with large computers" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/13/retrotechtacular-the-ibm-system-360-remembered/ | Source: Hackaday
12:21 TR Bot; The IBM System/360 Remembered | Hackaday
12:22 TR News; "Wattmeter" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/13/whats-in-a-wattmeter/ | Source: Hackaday
12:22 TR Bot; In A Wattmeter? | Hackaday
12:24 TR News; "Geofence and reverse keyword warrants completely circumvent the limits set by the Fourth Amendment." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/geofence-warrants-and-reverse-keyword-warrants-are-so-invasive-even-big-tech-wants | Source: EFF
12:24 TR Bot; Geofence Warrants and Reverse Keyword Warrants are So Invasive, Even Big Tech Wants to Ban Them | Electronic Frontier Foundation
12:26 TR News; "Theboiling frogsyndrome suggests that if a frog jumps into a pot of boiling water, it immediately jumps out but if a frog jumps into a slowly heating pot, it senses no danger and gets cooked." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/13/boiling-elon-musk-jumping-out-of-the-pot-of-platform-law/ | Source: Techdirt
12:26 TR Bot; Elon Musk Jumping Out Of The Pot Of Platform Law? | Techdirt
12:27 TR News; "funny how people talk to each other on this site despite it being extremely hard to follow or notify the person " gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
12:46 DaemonFC; https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/red-light-cameras-in-oakbrook-terrace-covered-up?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook
12:46 TR Bot; Red light cameras in Oakbrook Terrace covered up
12:52 XRevan86; schestowitz: It's not dumbness, it's because he didn't chicken out.
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13:02 DaemonFC; The Russians apparently lost an entire battalion trying to cross a bridge yesterday, including dozens of vehicles.
13:03 DaemonFC; :)
13:04 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Ereyesterday
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13:09 DaemonFC; "New video and analysis of drone and satellite imagery show that the Russians may have lost as many as 70 armored vehicles and other equipment in attempting to cross the river early this week. Their goal was to try to encircle Ukrainian defenses in the Luhansk region, but it failed spectacularly."
13:09 DaemonFC; Ah, well, CNN reported it yesterday
13:10 DaemonFC; XRevan86, Well, that was $150 million worth of equipment and 1,000 Russian lives well spent.
13:11 DaemonFC; 86% Putin approval rating.
13:11 TR News; Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/
13:11 TR Bot; Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights
13:12 DaemonFC; "Russia's most numerous tanks are the T-72B3 (mod. 2011 & 2016) and the older T-72B (mod. 1985 & 1989).[125] In the buildup to the invasion, Russian forces applied improvised steel grilles to the top of the turret, known as "cope cages" by some analysts,[126][127][128][129] along with British Defence Secretary Ben Wallace.[130] Military analysts have speculated that such grilles were added in an attempt to counter the usage of top-attack
13:12 DaemonFC; weapons, such as the US made FGM-148 Javelin and British-Swedish NLAW, by Ukrainian forces.[131][132][133][134] These implementations add weight to the tank, increase its visual profile, and make it more difficult for the crew to escape from the tank.[135]"
13:12 DaemonFC; LOL
13:16 DaemonFC; https://www.thebharatexpressnews.com/teenager-who-killed-six-people-on-bmw-death-ride-asked-people-to-guess-the-speed-for-20/?amp
13:16 TR Bot; Teenager who 'killed six people on BMW Death Ride' asked people to guess the speed for 20 - The Bharat Express News
13:17 bnchs; i guess 300 mph
13:17 bnchs; am i right?
13:18 DaemonFC; 151 according to the article.
13:19 DaemonFC; Some guy on Youtube said he liked his BMW because "in a Toyota, you don't feel like you're in control of the car if you're going over 70".
13:19 DaemonFC; I got 90 miles an hour often in my 2003 Impala (300,000 miles) and in the 2008 Buick LaCrosse, and I have plenty of control over both cars.
13:19 DaemonFC; *go
13:19 DaemonFC; And they're not expensive cars.
13:20 DaemonFC; The only reason I don't go faster than that is because I don't want to be charged with speeding as a criminal offense if I don't spot the police in time.
13:21 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/05/14/ukraines-prosecutor-general-at-least-227-children-killed-in-ukraine-since-war-began-news "Ukraines prosecutor general: at least 227 children killed in Ukraine since war began"
13:21 TR Bot; .
13:21 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/05/14/crimean-activist-held-for-over-a-week-in-fsb-basement-in-simferopol-her-attorney-says-news "Crimean activist held for over a week in FSB basement in Simferopol, her attorney says"
13:21 TR Bot; .
13:22 DaemonFC; They're prosecuting the first Russian soldier accused of a war crime.
13:22 DaemonFC; He faces up to 15 years for murdering an unarmed man to try to avoid having him phone in their location.
13:22 DaemonFC; Far too lenient.
13:22 DaemonFC; Hang him.
13:23 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Ukrainian law only gives up to 15 years.
13:23 XRevan86; This is maximum penalty.
13:23 DaemonFC; That's very unfortunate. They should change the law, and then hang the rest of them.
13:24 XRevan86; Except for incarceration for life, that also exists.
13:24 DaemonFC; Too lenient.
13:25 DaemonFC; War criminals deserve to be hanged. It's cheap and it sends a message to the rest.
13:25 DaemonFC; Most of the Nazis were hanged after their trials. Only the ones convicted of lesser crimes went to prison.
13:26 schestowitz-TR; LOL!!!!!
13:26 schestowitz-TR; Musk approches privately to buy Twitter
13:26 schestowitz-TR; my impression graph goes off the chart
13:26 schestowitz-TR; 4fold
13:26 schestowitz-TR; now he makes allegations of bots
13:26 schestowitz-TR; 2 days ago my graphs fall back down, for the first time since before he approached them
13:26 schestowitz-TR; Bernie Madoff would be proud if he was not dead already
13:26 schestowitz-TR; Twitter is faking it
13:26 schestowitz-TR; and manipulating "Analytics"
13:27 schestowitz-TR; and not doing a good job hiding that
13:28 schestowitz-TR; OK, I found a way to visualise this
13:28 schestowitz-TR; will do a post
13:28 Techrights-sec; unfortunately not only are they unlikely to care, the penalties are unlikely
13:28 Techrights-sec; to be enforced, and were the government to try the glacial speed of the response
13:28 Techrights-sec; would render any such efforts moot.
13:28 Techrights-sec; ack
13:29 XRevan86; It seems like if Musk's not going to buy Twitter, then his actions brought Twitter's demise near.
13:29 schestowitz-TR; yes
13:29 schestowitz-TR; good.
13:29 schestowitz-TR; same thing microsofr and ichan did to Yahoo!
13:29 schestowitz-TR; but Twitter needs to go
13:29 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft did that to hurt a competitor
13:30 schestowitz-TR; microsoft kept making offers to buy Yahoo!
13:30 schestowitz-TR; and then backed away
13:30 schestowitz-TR; to lower the price
13:30 schestowitz-TR; than the same to Nokia
13:30 DaemonFC; If Yahoo was still around, the Philippines could use them for Geocities hosting for their embassies to go along with their Frontpage 2000.
13:32 schestowitz-TR; I saw the same
13:32 XRevan86; DaemonFC: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://ria.ru/20220514/spetsoperatsiya-1788496027.html Try to find a single mention of that Sieversky Donets pontoon battle.
13:32 TR Bot; 13 - , 14.05.2022
13:32 schestowitz-TR; yes, they have the most laughable sites
13:32 schestowitz-TR; and outsourced too
13:32 schestowitz-TR; like it's joseon
13:32 schestowitz-TR; a digital pseudo-state
13:32 XRevan86; Only Great Success
13:34 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, The least they could do is use Netscape Composer.
13:34 XRevan86; The success is so great the Russian army is retreating from the Kharkw area.
13:34 DaemonFC; Finally an embassy website built for Web 0.9.
13:35 DaemonFC; I built my website in Composer, but then I redid it with Mozilla Composer so that I could make it validate.
13:36 DaemonFC; Netscape had a habit of bloating the markup and making a ton of small errors that caused it not to validate.
13:36 DaemonFC; In many cases, you could fix it just by running it through an "HTML Compressor" and then opening and saving it again with Mozilla Composer.
13:39 DaemonFC; Then again, I wasn't trying to pretend at running a small country.
13:39 DaemonFC; I just needed to quickly verify the code and then open and close it in several browsers to make sure they all handled it okay.
13:40 DaemonFC; Internet Explorer was actually the most forgiving. It tried to deal with undefined and illegal behaviors.
13:41 DaemonFC; Most people suspect this was so their broken website wouldn't be obvious and then it would fail to load at all in anything else.
13:42 DaemonFC; Then to deal with "complainers" who use Netscape or Opera, you just stuck out a "Best Viewed in Internet Explorer" button.
13:43 DaemonFC; I didn't run into any VBS crap on the Philippines websites though.
13:43 DaemonFC; I don't know how they use Frontpage 2000.
13:43 DaemonFC; Actual Windows XP or a virtual machine so they don't have to train anyone on new software?
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13:58 TR News; Elon Musk is Right About Twitter Faking Its Importance and Using Doctored, Manipulated Stats (or Bots) to Boost Valuation Based on Lies | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/fake-importance-of-twitter/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/14/fake-importance-of-twitter/
13:58 TR Bot; Elon Musk is Right About Twitter Faking Its Importance and Using Doctored, Manipulated Stats (or Bots) to Boost Valuation Based on Lies | Techrights
14:03 TR News; KDE Frameworks 5.94 Released with More Than 200 Changes, Heres Whats New Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164836
14:03 TR Bot; KDE Frameworks 5.94 Released with More Than 200 Changes, Here's What's New | Tux Machines
14:03 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164837
14:03 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
14:06 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Friday, May 13, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/irc-log-130522/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/14/irc-log-130522/
14:06 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Friday, May 13, 2022 | Techrights
14:11 TR News; FB and Twitter need to die. LinkedIn is already dead/dying, there are even many Microsoft layoffs there. Finally, GulagTube needs to be going the way of the dodo along with Spotify and Netflix. They lack a proper business model.
14:13 TR News; "Perhaps cancel culture is mostly mirage: the social media shadow of American celebrity obsession" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/13/21-fallacies-feeding-cancel-culture-and-holding-back-the-contemporary-u-s-left/ | Source: Counter Punch
14:13 TR Bot; Fallacies Feeding Cancel Culture and Holding Back the Contemporary U.S. Left - CounterPunch.org
14:15 TR News; "The Limits to Growth" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/13/limits-to-growth-where-we-stand-today/ | Source: Counter Punch
14:15 TR Bot; to Growth:Where We Stand Today - CounterPunch.org
14:26 TR News; "After years of dominating American capitalism by grinding workers into the dust, Amazon is on a hot losing streak" https://www.thenation.com/article/society/amazon-monopoly-boycott/ | Source: The Nation
14:26 TR Bot; Dont Boycott Amazon | The Nation
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14:30 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/251261
14:30 TR Bot; Russia is withdrawing from the outskirts of Kharkiv, says Ukrainian General Staff
14:30 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/251259
14:30 TR Bot; Philosophers' steamboat all over again. Head of Russian TV channel says many propagandists want to quit their jobs
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14:37 TR News; "Earlier this week, the Biden administration announced a new broadband plan that wasnt actually new." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/13/biden-broadband-event-showcases-why-u-s-telecom-policy-press-coverage-is-so-broken/ | Source: Techdirt
14:37 TR Bot; Broadband Event Showcases Why U.S. Telecom Policy, Press Coverage Is So Broken | Techdirt
14:38 TR News; "Weve been talking about the EUs Digital Services Act for a few years now" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/13/because-of-course-rightsholders-pushing-to-turn-digital-services-act-into-another-anti-piracy-tool/ | Source: Techdirt
14:38 TR Bot; Of Course: Rightsholders Pushing To Turn Digital Services Act Into Another Anti-Piracy Tool | Techdirt
14:38 TR News; Internet https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/13/the-internet-has-opened-up-the-creator-economy-to-new-heights/ | Source: Techdirt
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14:38 TR Bot; Internet Has Opened Up The Creator Economy To New Heights | Techdirt
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14:42 TR News; "The NYPD has long been a stalwart opponent of transparency and accountability." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/13/nypd-lawyer-forged-emails-lied-to-courts-withheld-information-from-lawsuit-plaintiffs/ | Source: Techdirt
14:42 TR Bot; Lawyer Forged Emails, Lied To Courts, Withheld Information From Lawsuit Plaintiffs | Techdirt
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14:57 TR News; i Matrix Dashboard | Gemini address: i Matrix Dashboard
14:58 TR News; Links 14/05/2022: Builder GTK 4 Porting and Raspberry Pi Matrix Dashboard | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/builder-gtk-4-porting-raspi/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/14/builder-gtk-4-porting-raspi/
14:58 TR Bot; Links 14/05/2022: Builder GTK 4 Porting and Raspberry Pi Matrix Dashboard | Techrights
14:58 TR News; Proprietary Software and Openwashing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164838
14:58 TR Bot; Proprietary Software and Openwashing | Tux Machines
14:58 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164839
14:58 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
14:58 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164840
14:58 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.41 k/sec., IPFS upstream 17.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 342.63
15:30 TR News; Almost as if Microsoft controls CISA "from the inside. They certainly control the narrative there as CISA rarely mentions Windows or Microsoft, except in a positive context. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/05/13/cisa-temporarily-removes-cve-2022-26925-known-exploited
15:30 TR Bot; CISA Temporarily Removes CVE-2022-26925 from Known Exploited Vulnerability Catalog | CISA
15:31 TR News; This has nothing to do with Linux, but Microsoft-connected sites post garbage like that https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-sysrv-botnet-targets-windows-linux-servers-with-new-exploits/
15:31 TR Bot; Microsoft: Sysrv botnet targets Windows, Linux servers with new exploits
15:32 TR News; Cameras should always be covered with tape in ChromeOS. Gulag is a tentacle of US Army/intelligence. https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-fixes-chromebook-camera-not-working/
15:32 TR Bot; 11 Best Fixes for Chromebook Camera Not Working - Make Tech Easier
15:33 TR News; Open-source-as-a-service data tech startup scores $210m - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/aiven_funding/ Source: theregister
15:33 TR Bot; Open-source-as-a-service data tech startup scores $210m The Register
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15:35 TR News; http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164781#comment-33667
15:35 TR Bot; CentOS Alternative AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download, Based on RHEL 8.6 | Tux Machines
15:35 TR News; AlmaLinux 8.6 Released Less Than 48 Hours After RHEL 8.6 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164781#comment-3
15:35 TR Bot; CentOS Alternative AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download, Based on RHEL 8.6 | Tux Machines
15:36 TR News; How to Easily Upgrade to the Latest Fedora Beta Version https://www.makeuseof.com/upgrade-fedora-to-beta-releases/ Source: makeuseof
15:36 TR Bot; How to Easily Upgrade to the Latest Fedora Beta Version
15:37 TR News; What CEO Paul Cormier Didnt Say In His Red Hat Summit Keynote - FOSS Force https://fossforce.com/2022/05/what-ceo-paul-cormier-didnt-mention-in-his-red-hat-summit-keynote/ Source: fossforce
15:37 TR Bot; What CEO Paul Cormier Didn't Say In His Red Hat Summit Keynote - FOSS Force
15:40 TR News; "Dear OpenBSD users. Is it just me or Lagrange is much less smooth compared to Linux/Windows? I tried to debug myself but the frametime seems quite Ok. IDK, Lagrange it way beyond my skill level. I just know C and some SDL." gemini://station.martinrue.com/
15:42 TR News; Don't treat me like a human being. Treat other beings how youd treat me. gemini://cobaltblue.flounder.online/gemlog/2021-07-18.gmi
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16:11 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164839
16:11 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164841
16:11 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
16:27 bnchs; hey guys
16:28 bnchs; wanna hear something, windows can't render country flags anything more than just country codes
16:28 bnchs; because "political" stuff
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16:32 SomeH4x0r; hi
16:32 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22051331
16:32 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/fk1l2wouqey81.jpg created on 2022-05-13 11:54:47.039384
16:32 matey; schestowitz-TR now he makes allegations of bots <- maybe to cover adding more of them
16:33 matey; "damn bots, we wont stand for this! *adds more*"
16:33 matey; self-driving social media
16:34 matey; self-driving traffic, driving traffic
16:34 matey; self-baking cookies-- self-baking owner
16:36 matey; windows can't render country flags anything more than just country codes <- 816F1465!
16:37 matey; being afraid of flags as language representation is a whole new level of anal-retentive
16:37 matey; "should we drop russian language support?" <- some idiots already discussed this i think
16:38 matey; yeah because they only speak it in russia, dumbfuck
16:38 bnchs; matey: no the US flag is gonna appear like the US flag in platforms
16:38 bnchs; but in windows it's gonna be "[US]"
16:38 matey; lol
16:38 matey; i got that part
16:38 MinceR; lol
16:38 matey; its hilarious
16:38 TR News; The fast-aging founder of Linux spoke as shown above (2005); so much has changed since then http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/self-hosting-torvalds/
16:38 TR Bot; The Original Linus Torvalds on Self-Hosting | Techrights
16:39 TR News; Sheela (yes, wife of the nontechnical Linux Foundation chief, who equates Microsoft critics with people who kick puppies) has a history working with several companies that are closely connected to Microsoft (not just Bakkt) http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/
16:39 TR Bot; Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights
16:39 matey; in the future, the only flags will be [US] and [THEM]
16:39 MinceR; don't people working in IT inside terrorussia know english anyway?
16:39 TR News; Todays empirical proof that Twitter is totally faking its relevance and reach/influence, based on Analytics of my long-inactive account; the SEC will once again quite likely as usual let Musk get away with it, http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/fake-importance-of-twitter/
16:39 TR Bot; Elon Musk is Right About Twitter Faking Its Importance and Using Doctored, Manipulated Stats (or Bots) to Boost Valuation Based on Lies | Techrights
16:39 bnchs; matey: they also did the same thing in the timezone selector
16:39 bnchs; the day-one release of Windows 95 highlighted your timezone in the world map
16:39 matey; <MinceR> don't people working in IT inside terrorussia know english anyway <- its a highly guarded secret, and putlin denies it
16:39 MinceR; or is it like hungary where people are too stupid to learn more than 1 language?
16:40 bnchs; but months after windows 95 released (and a few updates), the feature was removed
16:40 bnchs; because "political wars" and crap
16:41 bnchs; and then they removed the world map entirely
16:41 MinceR; lol
16:41 matey; foreign as a second language
16:41 MinceR; did it have borders on it?
16:42 bnchs; no
16:42 matey; /me thinks they should do away with flags anyway, in favour of 3d icons
16:43 matey; mexico can have a little sombrero, canada a moose
16:43 matey; usa a pickup truck
16:43 *MinceR thinks we should do away with states entirely, and then flags, borders, coats of arms and such shit can just go away
16:43 bnchs; https://puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/116097
16:43 TR Bot; enigmatic puzzle - - Puzzling Stack Exchange
16:43 bnchs; "Note: The above should render as a bunch of flag emoji, which Windows 10 and 11 apparently don't support (!), so here's a screenshot if you want to see it."
16:43 matey; /me is ultimately with mincer on this
16:44 matey; though when mincer says he wants to get rid of states, he means physically remove them
16:44 MinceR; i love those empty hints
16:44 bnchs; "I am using Windows and Microsoft refuses to implement any country flags emojis in order to avoid political controversies, showing them as two-letter codes instead. So, what I see here is just "ROTDROTDROTDRORO ROTDROROROTDRORO". So, can someone post a screenshot of what it looks like in some other platform?"
16:44 MinceR; well, i'd settle for global anarchy
16:44 matey; progress :)
16:44 MinceR; but the more likely method is human extinction
16:45 bnchs; sounds like a song
16:45 bnchs; ROTDRORODTODORODTOTD
16:45 matey; /me drums on the keyboard
16:46 MinceR; ah, needed scripts from at least 2 domains to let me reveal them
16:46 MinceR; revealing hints by highlighting text didn't use enough energy, i guess
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16:46 matey; they should use rot13
16:47 matey; its the nsa standard for hints, cheats and dissidents
16:47 MinceR; :>
16:54 activelow; matey: since you asked yesterday, about steam games... with baphometos there won't be steam support
16:54 activelow; however, i got libsdl1/fbcon and tested this with prboom+ successfully, and there is many other games which libsdl1/fbcon suffices for
16:55 boldc___; MS wants a world under only one flag the ms logo flag
16:56 matey; ha
16:57 matey; they should just change the logo to [MS]
16:57 matey; with a dollar sign
16:57 bnchs; fuck [WH][IN][NE][PO][OH]
16:57 bnchs; who lives in [ZH]
16:58 matey; as long as theyre using letters, they could switch from country codes to language codes
16:58 matey; which would make a fuck of a lot more sense
16:59 matey; but for a keyboard layout a country code is still what youd need i guess
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 43.36 average k/sec., average swarm size 364.06
16:59 matey; which continent is dvorak on?
16:59 matey; it sounds european
17:00 matey; utf is obviously in the middle east
17:00 matey; though when we make first contact, unicode is going to get a lot messier
17:01 matey; the good news is harfbuzz will finally be obsolete
17:02 boldc___; utf can be considered sexual harassment
17:02 matey; it doesnt support 4 dimensional grammatical structures
17:03 matey; unicode sometimes falls under the category of unwanted textual (technological) advances
17:03 MinceR; for unicode, use a globe
17:04 MinceR; but viewed such that east asia is not visible
17:04 MinceR; (due to Han unification)
17:04 bnchs; btw microsoft will not implement this
17:04 matey; lol
17:04 bnchs; because politically they cannot
17:04 bnchs; what if utf goes in war against dvorak
17:04 matey; free software: wait, we can make computing NOT STUPID!
17:05 matey; industry: hold my beer!
17:07 matey; the leader of a monarchy is a monarch, the leader of a dictatorship is a dictator, and the leader of a country is a
17:08 matey; you know the dumbest thing about stallmans solution to genderless grammatical ambiguity? (singular they)
17:08 matey; its ambiguous
17:08 matey; wtf happens to the phrase "per person"
17:09 matey; but i suppose he would call that an acceptable loss
17:09 matey; which is funny, because "acceptable loss" is pretty much what most people think about the ambiguity of singular they
17:10 boldc___; a genderless is a eunuch?
17:10 matey; as theyve been using it for hundreds of years already
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17:12 boldc___; why dont animals have gender?
17:12 boldc___; or have they?
17:13 boldc___; i find that utterly offensive
17:13 MinceR; i find your finding to be utterly offensive
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17:14 boldc___; sorry if fact don't fit your feelings
17:15 SomeH4x0r; they do have gender roles, so I guess they do
17:17 boldc___; we are talking about language ?
17:17 SomeH4x0r; oh
17:18 SomeH4x0r; some people do use gender when referring to certain animals, the ones they do care about personally, or something
17:18 SomeH4x0r; or when the gender is relevant for the discussed topic
17:23 matey; (no
17:23 boldc___; if someone call my pet a thing im going to court for harrassement
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17:24 matey; (no
17:25 matey; (no
17:25 MinceR; oh, now facts started to matter, suddenly? :>
17:25 matey; ...
17:25 MinceR; (to boldc___, that is)
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17:26 boldc___; ill be famous get lots of social media attentions lots of likes and haters and ill be
17:26 matey; lol
17:26 matey; it didnt work
17:26 boldc___; forcing the law hand to make a new law hopefully with my name on it
17:27 boldc___; whats not ot like?
17:29 boldc___; its like having your ego boosted to level 100 instantlly
17:30 boldc___; onde social gameing platform
17:31 boldc___; on the social gaming platforms
17:34 boldc___; i bet in the very least i will get free pet food foe ever
17:35 boldc___; https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Classic-Japanese-audio-brand-Onkyo-files-for-bankruptcy
↺ https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Classic-Japanese-audio-brand-Onkyo-files-for-bankruptcy
17:35 TR Bot; Classic Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy - Nikkei Asia
17:35 boldc___; another one bites the dust
17:36 bnchs; ego increased to 100
17:36 bnchs; Level Progress <#############> 101
17:37 boldc___; how did you do that?
17:37 boldc___; thats cheating
17:38 bnchs; grindset
17:41 boldc___; you must be using baphometos
17:47 boldc___; https://www.extremetech.com/computing/53082-onkyo-embeds-linux-in-your-living-room
17:47 TR Bot; Embeds Linux in Your Living Room - ExtremeTech
17:51 boldc___; https://www.zdnet.com/article/white-house-joins-openssf-and-the-linux-foundation-in-securing-open-source-software/
17:51 TR Bot; House joins OpenSSF and the Linux Foundation in securing open-source software | ZDNet
17:52 boldc___; point 4 Memory Safety: Eliminate root causes of many vulnerabilities through the replacement of non-memory-safe languages.
17:52 boldc___; RUST FTW
17:53 MinceR; snake oil
18:14 activelow; "memory safe language"... it is the kernel/hardware-mmu/compiler which provide memory protection, NOT the "language"!!!!
18:14 bnchs; activelow, true
18:15 bnchs; the kernel cleans up the memory
18:16 activelow; and, see for yourself, gentoo.org web-site, security advisoris of all browsers with their "memory safety" are labeled dark red vulnerable
18:16 activelow; so, what is this?
18:16 bnchs; memory leaks are very bad
18:16 bnchs; IF the program is intended to run endlessly
18:17 activelow; sure
18:17 bnchs; if you're making some kind of unix shell program, then memory safety is useless as long as the kernel can clean up your used memory
18:19 bnchs; but really you should free memory anyway
18:19 bnchs; because sometimes the kernel doesn't know how to clean up your used memory, and the memory leak may accumlate
18:22 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/05/14/were-used-to-sanctions-lavrov-says-west-has-declared-total-hybrid-war-on-russia-news ""Were used to sanctions" Lavrov says West has declared "total hybrid war" on Russia"
18:22 TR Bot; .
18:22 XRevan86; Good luck with that.
18:23 boldc___; https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/335539-ice-found-to-operate-as-a-domestic-spy-agency
18:24 TR Bot; Found Effectively Operating as Domestic Spy Agency - ExtremeTech
18:25 XRevan86; The Russian economy is going to shrink and continue shrinking practically indefinitely, and "we're used to sanctions".
18:27 XRevan86; https://interfax.ru/world/840837 https://t.me/mod_russia/15739 This should be addressed in the English-speaking space.
18:27 TR News; 2022-05-14 Untitled webcomic: Kid gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/comic/kidding.png
18:27 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.interfax.ru/world/840837 )
18:27 TR Bot; Telegram: Contact @mod_russia
18:27 XRevan86; Oh, DaemonFC is not online. He would've liked to see how full of detail this report is.
18:27 TR News; Gemini Radio - Episode 41 gemini://kwiecien.us/gemcast/20220514.gmi
18:31 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/05/14/russian-forces-destroy-pontoon-bridge-over-siversky-donets-river-russian-defence-ministry-claims-experts-earlier-reported-huge-losses-among-russian-troops-in-this-area-news "Russian forces destroy pontoon bridge over Siversky Donets River, Russian Defence Ministry claims. Experts earlier reported huge losses among Russian troops in this area"
18:31 TR Bot; .
18:31 XRevan86; timely
18:32 XRevan86; This does look like a real operation (different place, different bridge), except that there is no evidence of any person or vehicle anywhere near the bridge when it was under attack.
18:34 XRevan86; (it is very plausible that the Ukrainian forces are also trying to cross Sieversky Donets)
18:35 XRevan86; So I think that they wrote about this, and potentially fabricated the details, to paint a picture that it is not only Russia that is suffering losses there. I don't think this will work though.
18:36 XRevan86; And of course there was no mention of the yesterday's (it wasn't ereyesterday, I was wrong because it was early and felt like a different day, sorry) huge loss.
18:38 *psydroid2 has got the Russian version of Doom 3 working with dhewm3
18:38 psydroid2; now this will do a lot for improving my Russian, because there is no other option but to learn to understand what everything means
18:42 matey; <XRevan86> So I think that they wrote about this, and potentially fabricated the details, to paint a picture that it is not only Russia that is suffering losses there. I don't think this will work though.
18:42 matey; this is pretty confusing
18:42 XRevan86; matey: I'm relying on the context that DaemonFC has provided here earlier.
18:42 matey; who is fabricating? and who is it supposed to look like theyre suffering?
18:44 XRevan86; Oh, I mislinked above, this should've been the first link: https://interfax.ru/world/840828
18:44 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://interfax.ru/world/840828 )
18:44 XRevan86; crap, * https://www.interfax.ru/world/840837
18:45 XRevan86; I confused myself.
18:45 matey; wwii started when germany was TRYING to make it look like poland was attacking
18:45 XRevan86; Anyway, here's the video from the Russian Ministry of Defence: https://vk.com/video-133441491_456258909
18:45 matey; by basically provoking them
18:45 TR Bot; ????? ????? ? ???????.. ? Video | VK
18:46 matey; there was a memo on the way to tell them to withdraw or something along those lines
18:46 matey; they didnt get it, and it turned into... i mean they wanted a war either way
18:46 matey; only they wanted to make it look like poland was the aggressor, not them, and thats what they fucked up (it was a sham anyway)
18:47 matey; how this relates to the present situation at all, i couldnt be sure, since im really not entirely clear whats going on in the first place
18:47 XRevan86; matey: So yesterday Russian forces were attacked while they were traversing the river on a pontoon bridge, there were huge losses, tanks, people, everything.
18:47 matey; ok
18:48 matey; oh and they fabricated ukranian losses to save face?
18:48 XRevan86; matey: Today the Ministry of War provides this video and claims that Ukraine tried to cross the same river and they destroyed the bridge, captured the vehicles that did cross the river.
18:49 XRevan86; Appears to be a different event, as the landscape is different.
18:49 matey; who would that be meant to fool? certainly not the ukranian military
18:49 XRevan86; The yesterday's event is completely unaddressed.
18:49 matey; (im guessing the target of the deception by russia is russias own people)
18:50 XRevan86; So it's open to interpretation whom they actually captured and in what numbers.
18:51 XRevan86; matey: "(im guessing the target of the deception by russia is russias own people)" <- Well, naturally.
18:52 XRevan86; It's also an interesting example of how Russia and Ukraine report their successes.
18:52 matey; ok
18:52 matey; yeah
18:53 TR News; "Somehow, I blindly accepted the Fedora prompt asking me to upgrade to Fedora 28, not realizing that: Fedora is now at release 36, not 28" https://anarc.at/blog/2022-05-13-nvme-disk-failure/
18:53 TR Bot; NVMe/SSD disk failure - anarcat
18:53 TR News; "I'm not a fan of BTRFS. This page serves as a reminder of why, but also a cheat sheet to figure out basic tasks in a BTRFS environment because those are not obvious to me, even after repeatedly having to deal with them. Content warning: there might be mentions of ZFS." https://anarc.at/blog/2022-05-13-brtfs-notes/
18:53 TR Bot; BTRFS notes - anarcat
18:56 TR News; mintCast: "First up in the news: Linux crosses the C; We look into Steam; Flatpak improves; Gnome gets more customizable." https://mintcast.org/2022/05/14/382-kernel-metamorphosis/
18:56 TR Bot; 382 Kernel Metamorphosis mintCast
18:56 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164842
18:56 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
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18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 7.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 333.18
18:59 TR News; "Modern Unix derivatives have this really bad idea called ioctl. Its a function which performs arbitrary operations on a file descriptor. It is essentially the kitchen sink of modern Unix derivatives, particularly Linux, in which they act almost like a second set of extra syscalls" https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/14/generating-ioctls.html
18:59 TR Bot; A Hare code generator for finding ioctl numbers
18:59 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1525534611220094977
18:59 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Putin-linked Kremlin propagandist explains the mystery behind the claim that Russia is fighting Nazism in Ukraine: they're actually battling "Russophobia"supposedly "a type of Nazism." By that twisted logic, Russia would consider invading any country opposing Russian aggression." | nitter
19:00 TR News; #43 Foundation News - This Week in GNOME Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164843
19:00 TR Bot; #43 Foundation News - This Week in GNOME | Tux Machines
19:01 XRevan86; So that's what Nazism is: disagreement with Russia.
19:01 MinceR; i see lavrov doesn't understand what a declaration of war is
19:02 MinceR; maybe vladolf should replace him with someone who does
19:02 TR News; "I want to personally extend my gratitude to the Commercial users of Qt for beta testing Qt 5.15.4 for the rest of us." https://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2022/05/the-kde-qt5-patch-collection-has-been.html
19:02 TR Bot; TSDgeos' blog: The KDE Qt5 Patch Collection has been rebased on top of Qt 5.15.4
19:02 XRevan86; MinceR: He claims "hybrid war", which is a type of war that might not even be visible :)
19:03 TR News; Ubuntu Linux the number one Linux distro for gaming? Every time less - ItsFOSS | GNU | Linux | Freesw.net https://www.itsfoss.net/ubuntu-linux-the-number-one-linux-distro-for-gaming-every-time-less/ Source: itsfoss
19:03 TR Bot; Linux the number one Linux distro for gaming? Every time less - itsfoss.net
19:03 XRevan86; Welcome to World Hybrid War I
19:03 TR News; Building Plasma for KDE Frameworks 6 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164844
19:03 TR Bot; Building Plasma for KDE Frameworks 6 | Tux Machines
19:03 XRevan86; Not very impressive.
19:04 TR News; KDE Frameworks 5.94.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164836#comment-33668
19:04 TR Bot; KDE Frameworks 5.94 Released with More Than 200 Changes, Here's What's New | Tux Machines
19:04 XRevan86; Would be funny if they actually take that term that I coined ironically.
19:06 TR News; 10 Fun Free and Open Source Simulation Games Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164845
19:06 TR Bot; 10 Fun Free and Open Source Simulation Games | Tux Machines
19:07 XRevan86; But it's just one step from "total hybrid war" that Lavrov coined.
19:08 XRevan86; That's a pretty interesting way of putting "everyone's shitting on Russia".
19:09 XRevan86; everyone == total; shitting == war; hybrid == not actually war
19:11 matey; it reminds me of the usa saying they would justify physical military force in response to cyberattacks
19:11 matey; the trouble being, how can you possibly prove there was a cyberattack
19:13 matey; i mean suppose i go over to the circuit breakers and cut off my power and/or gas
19:13 XRevan86; Even so, it's a huge escalation that's hard to justify.
19:13 MinceR; "hybrid" == "i don't want to say what it actually is"
19:13 matey; then go and shoot someone for "attacking my infrastructure"
19:13 MinceR; "hybrid kernel" == "i don't want to say it's a monolithic kernel"
19:13 matey; that wouldnt hold up in any court
19:13 MinceR; "hybrid regime" == "i don't want to say it's a dictatorship"
19:13 matey; hybrid news
19:13 MinceR; "hybrid war" == "i don't want to say it's not a war"
19:14 matey; dont mention the hybrid war
19:15 matey; i mentioned it once but i think i got away with it
19:15 matey; "would you please stop mentioning the war?" "what are you talking about? youre the one who started it" "no we didnt" "yes you did, you invaded kiev!"
19:17 XRevan86; matey: I can't tell if this is about 1941 or 2022.
19:17 XRevan86; A little more context please?
19:18 XRevan86; More likely to be 1941 since the contemporary occupation of Kiew failed to occur.
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19:19 chicksahoy; isn't it Kyiv and not Kiev
19:20 XRevan86; Depends on whether it's transliteration or transcription, and on which language and which time period.
19:21 chicksahoy; Ukraine calls it Kyiv, Russia calls it Kiev
19:21 chicksahoy; fuck Russia
19:21 MinceR; it's Kyiv in Ukrainian
19:21 XRevan86; The historical name is "Kyev", the contemporary Ukrainian spelling is "Kyiv" (actually "Kyyiv"), the contemporary Russian spelling is "Kiev" (actually "Kiyev"), the contemporary Russian pronunciation is "Kiyiv" (well, "Kiyif").
19:21 MinceR; orcs pretend they own it and call it Kiev
19:22 XRevan86; the Polish spelling is "Kiew"
19:22 matey; <XRevan86> matey: I can't tell if this is about 1941 or 2022. <- fawlty towers didnt make it to russia, at least not in your time
19:22 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164846
19:22 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:22 matey; it was john cleese, with a concussion, arguing with a family of germans about the war
19:22 XRevan86; Also because it's a vowel reduction, in other cases there's a difference: to be in Kiew in Ukrainian would be "w Kyyevi"
19:22 matey; in the 70s (the plot)
19:23 matey; so kyiv then
19:23 matey; theres only one reason i spell it kiev, and it isnt political
19:23 matey; in the west, its how the chicken is usually spelled (for most of my lifetime)
19:23 matey; its a dish, chicken kiev. i think.
19:24 XRevan86; I dislike pronunciation quirks seeping into loanwords, that's my only reason against "Kyiv".
19:24 matey; so its only a force of habit, not a political statement
19:24 matey; well what do you recommend as a ukranian spelling then?
19:24 XRevan86; English is not phonetic, and it is phonetically very distinct.
19:24 matey; im sort of impartial here
19:24 matey; english has no rules, but it does make up a few
19:24 XRevan86; "Kyev" is the most faithful spelling.
19:25 matey; and how does it sit with ukranians?
19:25 XRevan86; matey: Too nerdy.
19:25 matey; ill think about it
19:25 matey; anyway, thanks for keeping us informed
19:25 matey; cheers
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19:26 XRevan86; I'm somewhat interested in phonology, so my perspective on this is different from well, everyone else's.
19:27 XRevan86; To me a loanword into English should fit best into the English context, not the context of the source.
19:28 XRevan86; And usually the most conservative eldest form of spelling/pronunciation is the best fit, as languages tend to diverge.
19:30 XRevan86; Odds are Ukrainian pronunciation may change again (as happens with every language), and what then, re-loan the new version every time?
19:30 XRevan86; But I do recognise the political reasoning, and that's something I cannot go against.
19:37 TR News; Openwashing nonsense https://opensource.com/article/22/5/b-corp-open-source
19:37 TR Bot; reasons to apply for B Corp certification | Opensource.com
19:41 MinceR; 14 202211 < XRevan86> the Polish spelling is "Kiew"
19:41 MinceR; i thought it was Kiw
19:41 XRevan86; MinceR: Oh, they jo'd it? I forgot in that case.
19:41 MinceR; or something like that
19:41 TR News; "We are back to a quick pace and reached 2800 games soon after the 2700 games milestone." https://boilingsteam.com/2800-games-steam-deck/
19:42 TR Bot; 2800 Games On The Steam Deck with Days Gone and House of the Dying Sun as Verified - Boiling Steam
19:42 MinceR; no, it's Kijw
19:42 TR News; It's FOSS is foolishly promoting PROPRIETARY Microsoft PROXY "DuckDuckGo" https://itsfoss.com/duckduckgo-easter-eggs/ Avoid this nasty, lying company: http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
19:42 TR Bot; Hidden Features! 25 Fun Things You Can Do With DuckDuckGo Search Engine - It's FOSS
19:42 TR Bot; DuckDuckGo - Techrights
19:43 XRevan86; MinceR: jejo is a common Slavic phonetic change, right. And ou is a Polish specific one.
19:43 MinceR; pronounced /ki.juf/
19:43 TR News; They hardly test, they just release very often and make it impssible to fork/avoid https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-251-rc3
19:43 TR Bot; 251 Nears Release With Last Planned Test - Phoronix
19:45 XRevan86; https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przeg%C5%82os_lechicki no English article, bummer
19:45 TR Bot; Przegos lechicki Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia
19:46 TR News; Shortwave 3 expands radio station setups http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164643#comment-33669
19:46 TR Bot; Shortwave 3.0 Free Radio Player Comes with Support for GNOME 42 | Tux Machines
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19:48 XRevan86; https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/#Old_East_Slavic source
19:48 TR Bot; - Wiktionary
19:51 XRevan86; MinceR: That's kind of why pronetic changes are a mess to re-loan.
19:51 XRevan86; But Polish spelling froze up on the second iteration anyway I guess.
19:52 TR News; f2fscrypt utility compiled statically in OE https://bkhome.org/news/202205/f2fscrypt-utility-compiled-statically-in-oe.html Source: bkhome
19:52 TR Bot; f2fscrypt utility compiled statically in OE
19:52 XRevan86; I wonder where Latin got its Kiov.
19:52 TR News; Fridays Fedora Facts: 2022-19 – Fedora Community [sic] Blog https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-19/ Source: ICBM
19:52 TR Bot; Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-19 Fedora Community Blog
19:54 TR News; They call it "OpenJPEG" but OUTSOURCE to PROPRIETARY and Microsoft... what does "Open" mean??? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenJPEG-2.5-Brings-HTJ2K
19:54 TR Bot; 2.5 Released With High Throughput JPEG 2000 Decoding (HTJ2K) - Phoronix
19:55 TR News; radeonsi: scale the number of shader compiler threads https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=e549b6fe42c45efa6e2625cef7c328cb6a6a4319
19:55 TR Bot; mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
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20:04 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22051228
20:04 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/dn0qxox0oly81.jpg created on 2022-05-12 09:15:12.293360
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20:07 TR News; nbdkit now supports LUKS encryption Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164847
20:07 TR Bot; nbdkit now supports LUKS encryption | Tux Machines
20:13 TR News; Smart Farm with Raspberry PI, RPI Pico and WIZnet Ethernet Hat Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164848
20:13 TR Bot; Smart Farm with Raspberry PI, RPI Pico and WIZnet Ethernet Hat | Tux Machines
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20:15 TR News; Ole Aamot: Voice Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164849
20:15 TR Bot; Ole Aamot: Voice | Tux Machines
20:20 TR News; My Brother Brandon gemini://rooster.smol.pub/brandon
20:21 TR News; "Bad. It's going pretty bad. Work is exhausting. Mondays and Tuesdays generally still work out. Wednesdays fall through and I end up doing multiple garbage runs on Saturday." gemini://okayhousekeeping.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-05-14.gmi
20:22 TR News; Some Government is Probably Okay I Guess gemini://liberty.smol.pub/some-government-okay-i-guess "There's a subset of people who are comfortable doing what they know is wrong and would oppose as wrong if others did it"
20:22 TR News; Fedora Family / Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164850
20:22 TR Bot; Fedora Family / Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
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20:35 TR News; Learning GIMP a better investment of time https://linuxstoney.com/how-to-use-photoshop-on-ubuntu-and-other-linux/
20:35 TR Bot; to use Photoshop on Ubuntu and other Linux? - LinuxStoney
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20:39 TR News; Distrobox is Awesome Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164851
20:39 TR Bot; Distrobox is Awesome | Tux Machines
20:39 TR News; DeaDBeeF 1.9.0 Released! #HowTo install it in Ubuntu 22.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164852
20:39 TR Bot; DeaDBeeF 1.9.0 Released! How to install it in Ubuntu 22.04 | Tux Machines
20:40 TR News; Vulnerability in Zyxel firewalls allowing code execution without authentication - LinuxStoney https://linuxstoney.com/vulnerability-in-zyxel-firewalls-allowing-code-execution-without-authentication/ Source: linuxstoney
20:40 TR Bot; in Zyxel firewalls allowing code execution without authentication - LinuxStoney
20:41 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164853
20:41 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
20:41 TR News; kernel/git/hid/hid.git - HID Group's fork of hid.git https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/hid/hid.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=fa33382c7f74a1444f90f324007da1431d7180b2 Source: git
20:41 TR Bot; kernel/git/hid/hid.git - HID Group's fork of hid.git
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20:44 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164854
20:44 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
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20:46 TR News; TrueNAS 13.0 Released, a Linux OS for creating network storage http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164740#comment-33670
20:46 TR Bot; iXsystems releases TrueNAS 13.0 | Tux Machines
20:47 TR News; Alt Workstation K 10.0 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164855
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20:52 TR News; Links 14/05/2022: Alt Linux 10.0 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/alt-linux-10-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/14/alt-linux-10-0/
20:52 TR Bot; Links 14/05/2022: Alt Linux 10.0 Released | Techrights
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20:54 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164856
20:54 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 21.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 384.00
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21:05 TR News; Microsoft makes and distributes its own password stealer https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/14/eternity-project-malware-sale/ see http://techrights.org/2021/11/17/microsoft-password-stealer/
21:05 TR Bot; Shopping for malware: $260 gets you a password stealer... The Register
21:05 TR Bot; Bruce Schneier: Microsoft Edge is Apparently a Password Stealer Too, Even on GNU/Linux | Techrights
21:05 TR News; Digital Restrictions (DRM) https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/02/ukrainian_tractors_deere/
21:05 TR Bot; Ukrainian John Deere tractors stolen by Russia 'bricked' The Register
21:07 TR News; Neither is safe. They even have back doors (PSP/ME) https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/12/intel_amd_security/
21:07 TR Bot; How Intel and AMD hope to win the cloud security game The Register
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21:18 TR News; Falklands' inshore waters globally recognized as Key Biodiversity Areas " MercoPress https://en.mercopress.com/2022/04/26/falklands-inshore-waters-globally-recognized-as-key-biodiversity-areas how UK likes to greenwash the occupation
21:18 TR Bot; Falklands' inshore waters globally recognized as Key Biodiversity Areas MercoPress
21:18 TR News; iXsystems Builds on Global Leadership in Open Storage With New TrueNAS Releases http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164740#comment-33673
21:18 TR Bot; iXsystems releases TrueNAS 13.0 | Tux Machines
21:24 boldc___; rhythmbox has a new release after 2 years
21:25 boldc___; its a gnome thing
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21:27 boldc___; ChangeLog 1.19 MB
21:31 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl4Ar-Gc9eI
21:31 TR Bot; https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=Jl4Ar-Gc9eI
21:31 TR Bot; invidious.mutahar.rocks | Rasputin of the Bronx: The Unkillable Iron Mike Malloy - Invidious
21:34 schestowitz-TR; boldc___: yes
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21:34 schestowitz-TR; boldc___: url?
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21:34 schestowitz-TR; I saw no blog post about that
21:34 schestowitz-TR; just deadbeef
21:34 schestowitz-TR; [20:39] <techrights-news> DeaDBeeF 1.9.0 Released! #HowTo install it in Ubuntu 22.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164852
21:34 boldc___; https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/rhythmbox/-/blob/master/ChangeLog?expanded=true&viewer=simple
21:34 TR Bot; ChangeLog master GNOME / rhythmbox GitLab
21:36 boldc___; how can you possibly manage your ipod with out rhythmbox?
21:38 MinceR; i don't have an ipod
21:38 MinceR; and not going to have one either
21:38 boldc___; deadbeef must be developed by some vegan dev
21:38 boldc___; me neither
21:39 boldc___; IOS is genom devs dream DE
21:39 boldc___; what ipod ever done to you ?
21:40 MinceR; i never let them do anything to me
21:41 boldc___; rhythmbox has remote functionality too
21:41 boldc___; daap mpris
21:42 boldc___; its a itunes "clone" basically
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21:54 bnchs; fuck ipods
21:54 bnchs; you want to listen to music?
21:54 bnchs; go uhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhh uh fuck
21:55 bnchs; bring a raspberry pi connected to a battery
21:56 MinceR; i used to listen to music on a Palm Tungsten E2
21:57 TR News; No kidding, Microsoft now charges firms to tackle Windows ransomware https://itwire.com/open-sauce/no-kidding,-microsoft-now-charges-firms-to-tackle-windows-ransomware.html
21:57 TR Bot; - No kidding, Microsoft now charges firms to tackle Windows ransomware
21:57 MinceR; then on various smartphones
21:57 TR News; Not OUR back doors? https://itwire.com/technology-regulation/us-steps-up-fresh-probe-into-kaspersky-products-report.html
21:57 TR Bot; - US steps up fresh probe into Kaspersky products: report
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22:07 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: realplayer?
22:09 TR News; Changes in the Site and the Capsule | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/toc-toc/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/14/toc-toc/
22:09 TR Bot; Changes in the Site and the Capsule | Techrights
22:09 schestowitz-TR; it's hard to get palm PDAs to work like in 2022
22:10 schestowitz-TR; partly because of desktop side sofwtare
22:10 schestowitz-TR; jpilot, kpilot, and the Windows equivs
22:10 schestowitz-TR; and finding the binaries is even harder
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22:13 TR News; Asahi Linux on Apple Silicon shows progress in graphics drivers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164698#comment-33674
22:13 TR Bot; Asahi Linux progress in graphics drivers on Apple's M1 | Tux Machines
22:13 TR News; This repeats false numbers about Twitter's usage https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/ap-online/2022/05/14/as-musk-buyout-looms-twitter-searches-for-its-soul
22:13 TR Bot; As Musk buyout looms, Twitter searches for its soul
22:14 MinceR; schestowitz-TR: no, but i forgot what the audio player was that could continue playing in the background
22:14 MinceR; iirc pomod could play .mod files, but only in the foreground
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22:14 MinceR; 14 230956 < schestowitz-TR> it's hard to get palm PDAs to work like in 2022
22:14 MinceR; yeah, bricks are like that
22:14 TR News; Arm wrests back control of its rogue China limb - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/29/arm_china_ceo_ousted/ Source: theregister
22:14 TR Bot; Arm wrests back control of its rogue China limb The Register
22:14 MinceR; maybe it can still show a palm logo and a blinking rectangle under it
22:15 TR News; Arm says microcontroller price hikes helped fuel sales - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/arm_results_ipo/ Source: theregister
22:15 TR Bot; Arm says microcontroller price hikes helped fuel sales The Register
22:15 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: apple did not even have pseudo-multitasking years later
22:15 schestowitz-TR; iphone was the REAL brick
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22:15 schestowitz-TR; with no REALPlayer
22:15 MinceR; yeah
22:16 MinceR; MICROS~1 had it for a while, then they decided they've got to copy crApple and came up with an OS that didn't have it, iirc
22:16 TR News; It got ugly at ARM https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/03/arm_china_staff_protest/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/05/arm_china_ceo_stays/
22:16 TR Bot; Arm China staff protest new management The Register
22:16 TR Bot; Arm China CEO refuses to go despite SoftBank taking control The Register
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22:18 TR News; HAHAHAHAHAHA! "alternative cryptocurrency projects (altcoins) are but an experiment, while Bitcoin is the only tried and tested peer-to-peer digital money." What do you mean, "alternative cryptocurrency"? You claim to be the alternative to real currency. https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/terra-collapse-teaches-about-crypto-and-bitcoin
22:18 TR Bot; Terra Collapse Teaches About Crypto And Bitcoin - Bitcoin Magazine: Bitcoin News, Articles, Charts, and Guides
22:19 TR News; Go away, Gulag. Stop stealing data. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/05/google_eu_sovereign/
22:19 TR Bot; Google goes after sovereignty market with EU Workspace Data The Register
22:21 TR News; Crackpot measuring servers only if they are pabeled "CLOWN" and counting "REVENUE" (likely faked) instead of ACTUAL share. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/02/cloud_market_share_q1_2022/
22:21 TR Bot; AWS, Google and Microsoft dominate cloud The Register
22:21 TR News; Microsoft Azure = layoffs and datacentre closures.
22:22 TR News; Microsoft revenue: bailouts from Trump and Biden. IOW, stealing from the US treasury. Corruption in politics.
22:23 TR News; But most computers do not use x86. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/amd_intel_x86/
22:23 TR Bot; AMD approaches '30%' x86 CPU market share The Register
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22:25 psydroid2; 30 billion ARM chips in the past year, all conveniently ignored for AMD's biggest x86 marketshare ever
22:27 TR News; "There's tons of terminal apps with color nowadays but no consistent standard for disabling that color in the many cases where it isn't needed, NO_COLOR aims to fix that." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=svLA3yJQnlM
22:27 TR Bot; This Is A Growing Standard To Disable Terminal Color - Invidious
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22:29 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164857
22:29 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
22:32 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164858
22:32 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:32 TR News; A 10-minute explanation of what weve been up to lately and whats changing; hopefully Ill have a lot more free time in months to come and well be able to produce about a dozen posts per day http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/toc-toc/
22:32 TR Bot; Changes in the Site and the Capsule | Techrights
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22:36 TR News; Crosswords 0.3 by Jonathan Blandford Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164859
22:36 TR Bot; Crosswords 0.3 by Jonathan Blandford | Tux Machines
22:36 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: yes, the usual slant
22:36 schestowitz-TR; like counting "Share" by revenue
22:36 schestowitz-TR; to make GNU/Linux seem small
22:36 schestowitz-TR; and relying on companies reporting on money
22:37 schestowitz-TR; of course they fake it
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22:44 TR News; Microsoft keeps transmitting malware https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/12/npm-attacks-code-white-jfrog/
22:44 TR Bot; Mystery of industry-focused backdoored NPM packages solved The Register
22:47 psydroid2; someone I know told me that he migrated several Postgres databases in the AWS clown to Graviton a few days ago and that expenses were multiple times lower now
22:48 schestowitz-TR; still paying amazon
22:48 schestowitz-TR; and the databases do not comply with rules except the ones GAFAM lobbied for
22:48 schestowitz-TR; because "outsourcing to US Army" = security
22:49 psydroid2; that's true, but I didn't ask about his employer's reasons for doing things in the clown
22:49 psydroid2; he did tell me he plans to migrate everything at home to ARM as well
22:50 schestowitz-TR; the clown is ripoff
22:50 schestowitz-TR; if not now, then later
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22:53 TR News; ICBM transatlantic https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/11/mayflower_autonomous_ship/
22:53 TR Bot; IBM's autonomous Mayflower ship breaks down again The Register
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 386.71
23:04 boldc___; https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/buffalo-supermarket-mass-shooting/index.html
23:04 TR Bot; Live updates: Mass shooting at Buffalo supermarket
23:05 boldc___; too bad donald trump wasnt there to stop the shooter
23:06 bnchs; "gonna shoot up a supermarket"
23:07 bnchs; *a helicopter approaches the shooter*
23:07 bnchs; *donald trump comes out*
23:07 bnchs; "no you shall not"
23:07 bnchs; "understandable"
23:07 bnchs; then everyone clapped that day
23:08 boldc___; i remenber him say after a shooting that if it was him there he would oppose the shooter even if he was unarmed
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23:08 boldc___; a true american hero
23:15 XRevan86; https://gajim.org/post/2022-05-11-gajim-1.4.0-released/
23:15 TR Bot; Gajim 1.4.0 - Gajim
23:16 bnchs; nice
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23:17 XRevan86; A huge release, I will try it out.
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23:17 bnchs; XRevan86, whats your XMPP
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23:29 DaemonFC; People are moving over to AMD due to cost, performance by watt, compatibility, and the fact that it's less of a piece of shit than Intel.
23:30 DaemonFC; Intel keeps sabotaging things after they sell them.
23:30 DaemonFC; They design them to be fast but insecure, pay people to benchmark them, sell the CPUs based on those benchmarks, and then release the updates that close the holes at the cost of 40% of your CPU performance.
23:31 DaemonFC; Matthew Judas GAFAM praises them for it, repeatedly. "TPM, EFI, etc."
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23:33 DaemonFC; It's like his buddy Miguel said at his 1997 Microsoft interview (the one at which he was not hired), "You should open source Internet Explorer and let other people fix it for you for free!". Maybe it was simple naivete or something. Who knows? Microsoft didn't care if it crashed, they didn't care if it automatically installed malware because you visited a website or loaded some email, what they cared about was jamming their own non-standards
23:33 DaemonFC; into it and then making it impossible for anyone else to figure out how it worked.
23:33 psydruid; I will get a few of those RK3588 boards next year and see how much software I can get to run on them
23:33 DaemonFC; And if you open source it, maybe people fix your bugs, but you also can't hide how your anti-competitive shit works.
23:34 DaemonFC; So on the whole, they didn't open source it because it would have harmed them more than it helped.
23:35 psydruid; I think each and every proprietary game should be reverse engineered and made to run everywhere to kill the stranglehold Intel and AMD have over the desktop
23:35 psydruid; And then they can die for all I care
23:36 bnchs; psydruid, game engines?
23:37 psydruid; bnchs, everything needed for running them, if that is just the game engines I am also fine with it
23:37 bnchs; i mean there's only been like reverse engineering of GTA 3/VC, GoldSrc-based games, morrowwind, and other crap
23:37 psydruid; I compiled dhewm3 earlier today and now I have it running on my laptop
23:38 bnchs; the problem is that some of them are suffering legal problems
23:38 psydruid; I don't know when I'll have the time to play it but I know it works at least
23:38 bnchs; like FWGS Xash3D
23:38 psydruid; they are suffering problems also by being based on Github
23:39 bnchs; some of their header files are illegally copied from Valve's SDK
23:39 bnchs; which is incompatible with their GPL license
23:39 bnchs; so they're hoping they don't get sued to death by Valve
23:39 psydruid; and yes, it is not the ultimate solution
23:40 psydruid; the real solution would be writing free games with free assets
23:40 psydruid; we'll see how that develops
23:40 *boldc___ runs off to install quake3arena
23:40 bnchs; https://github.com/gtamodding/re3
23:40 TR Bot; ( status 451 @ https://github.com/gtamodding/re3 )
23:41 bnchs; 451 = down for legal reasons
23:41 bnchs; they already got sued by rockstar
23:41 bnchs; i guess
23:41 psydruid; I have that code on my laptop
23:42 psydruid; I checked it out before it was taken down
23:42 bnchs; https://github.com/FWGS/xash3d-fwgs/issues/63
23:42 TR Bot; issues Issue #63 FWGS/xash3d-fwgs GitHub
23:42 bnchs; "The engine is somewhat notorious for making use of leaked source code, and indeed Valve as supposedly remarked that the engine as it stands is illegal (though I have yet to personally corroborate that.) This is troublesome because I want to use xash3D for a commercial project, so as it currently stands that dream is unworkable. But what if it wasn't?"
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23:42 bnchs; "The thing is, we can't rewrite them by ourselves, as we already seen the HLSDK and any rewrite attempt may be considered as illegal relicensing of copypasted code."
23:42 bnchs; Xash3D is at a stand-still
23:42 bnchs; they're at a dead end
23:43 boldc___; rockstar PD is gona swat you psydruid
23:43 bnchs; it will only be a matter of time before they get sued by valve
23:43 psydruid; I haven't looked at any of this code or any other proprietary code ever
23:43 bnchs; they came up with a solution
23:43 bnchs; "Hiring a lawyers, so they can check if nothing of Valve's IP was leaked."
23:43 psydruid; sure, they can come and get me
23:44 bnchs; "Hiring a programmer to write headers based on our documentation and asking for a agreement that he or she doesn't even seen Half-Life code and will not copy code from SDK."
23:44 bnchs; this would probably save them
23:45 bnchs; but unfortunately they haven't applied it yet
23:45 bnchs; and the illegal header files are still in the codebase
23:46 boldc___; make a VR version
23:49 boldc___; arent modern opensource game engines supposed to be better that valav outdated engine?
23:50 bnchs; lol they're trying to reverse engineer valve's goldsrc engine
23:50 psydruid; I have compiled Godot, but I will only be able to take a look at it this summer
23:51 bnchs; and be more compatible with GoldSrc/Half-Life games
23:51 psydruid; yeah
23:51 bnchs; also VR version in your dreams
23:51 bnchs; reverse engineer the drivers for most VR headsets :P
23:51 psydruid; I think it's better to get inspiration from games and write new free ones
23:52 psydruid; instead of going through all this reverse engineering
23:52 psydruid; unless you want to preserve them for some reason
23:53 psydruid; OpenHMD makes VR headsets work
23:53 bnchs; xash3D was intended to preserve goldsrc games
23:53 bnchs; or help make more goldsrc games
23:53 psydruid; I met some of the developers at FOSDEM a few years ago
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23:59 psydruid; > [notice] License issues Issue #63 FWGS/xash3d-fwgs GitHub
23:59 psydruid; I'm reading this issue and the solution looks really simple to me
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