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00:00 bnchs; JHey, it's schestowitz's bots
00:00 bnchs; and well he's the creator and owner of techrights
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00:00 TR News; NVIDIA open source video drivers for Linux kernel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164748#comment-33644
00:00 TR Bot; NVIDIA Releases Open-Source GPU Kernel Modules | Tux Machines
00:03 Skywave; Cryostat lmao i recalled Cryostasis the game.
00:04 JHey; NVIDIA Releases Open-Source GPU Kernel Modules | Tux Machines thats yesterdays news
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00:06 TR News; Formalities Officers Team Managers at Europes second-largest institution face a growing list of issues; some are even considering stepping down, according to internal documents http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/epo-formalities-officers-team-managers/
00:06 TR Bot; Formalities Officers Team Managers at the European Patent Office Consider Stepping Down | Techrights
00:06 TR News; Sinking quality of European Patents [1, 2], plus a Patent Granting Process that is not compliant with the law, quite likely mean the EPO drives straight into a wall; the Central Staff Committee is still trying to save the institution, but management is uncaring and unresponsive http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/epo-management-trashes-the-epo/
00:06 TR Bot; Central Staff Committee of the EPO Reminds the EPOs Management, Yet Again, That It is Breaking Laws | Techrights
00:06 TR News; Were meant to think that patents not sharing are going to save the world http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/epo-misframing/
00:06 TR Bot; [Meme] Yes, Minister, Yes! | Techrights
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00:12 TR News; Harriss List of Covent-Garden Ladies (17571795) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/harris-list-of-covent-garden-ladies/ Source: publicdomainreview
00:12 TR Bot; Harriss List of Covent-Garden Ladies (17571795) The Public Domain Review
00:13 TR News; #KeepItOn for peace and democracy in Sudan, Yemen, and Tajikistan https://www.accessnow.org/keepiton-for-peace-and-democracy-in-sudan-yemen-and-tajikistan/ Source: accessnow
00:13 TR Bot; #KeepItOn for peace and democracy in Sudan, Yemen, and Tajikistan
00:14 TR News; Alexander in the Bathysphere The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/alexander-bathysphere/ Source: publicdomainreview
00:14 TR Bot; Alexander in the Bathysphere The Public Domain Review
00:15 TR News; "Improper Removal of Sensitive Information Before Storage or Transfer, Inadequate Encryption Strength, Missing Authentication for Critical Function, Injection, Improper Input Validation" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-102-04
00:16 TR Bot; Mitsubishi Electric GT25-WLAN (Update A) | CISA
00:17 TR News; "The developers of the Rust language warned about the identification of the rustdecimal package in the crates.io repository , which contains malicious code." Outsourcing to Microsoft. Feeling lucky, PUNK? https://linuxstoney.com/malicious-rustdecimal-package-found-in-crates-io-rust-repository/
00:17 TR Bot; rustdecimal package found in crates.io Rust repository - LinuxStoney
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00:20 TR News; Massively overhyped. Just don't open malicious files from untrusted sources. This is universally a principle. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-132-03#main-content "Do not click web links or open unsolicited attachments in email messages."
00:20 TR Bot; Inkscape in Industrial Products | CISA
00:21 TR News; Clownify the buzzwords? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/practical-solution-cloudify-network-edge-why-containers-white-box-devices-and-sd-wan-are-ideal
00:21 TR Bot; A practical solution to cloudify the network edge: Why containers, white-box devices and SD-WAN are ideal
00:22 TR News; San Francisco Police Are Using Driverless Cars as Mobile Surveillance Cameras https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7dw8x/san-francisco-police-are-using-driverless-cars-as-mobile-surveillance-cameras Source: vice
00:22 TR Bot; San Francisco Police Are Using Driverless Cars as Mobile Surveillance Cameras
00:23 TR News; Microsoft Windows https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-132-09 "The Tiff_Loader.dll is vulnerable to infinite loop condition while parsing specially crafted TIFF files."
00:23 TR Bot; Siemens JT2GO and Teamcenter Visualization | CISA
00:25 TR News; Distributed platforms vs. complexity gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220512_distributed_complexity
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00:26 TR News; My Name on Mars gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202205/20220512-my-name-on-mars.gmi
00:28 TR News; 27 Rights Groups Demand Zoom Abandon 'Invasive,' and 'Inherently Biased' Emotion Recognition Software https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2022/05/27-rights-groups-demand-zoom-abandon-invasive-and-inherently-biased-emotion-recognition-software/ Source: gizmodo
00:28 TR Bot; 27 Rights Groups Demand Zoom Abandon 'Invasive,' and 'Inherently Biased' Emotion Recognition Software
00:29 TR News; It's all about mass manipulation of people and power over people https://www.accessnow.org/elon-musk-twitter-letter/
00:29 TR Bot; Money talks: Twitters financial backers must use their power to mitigate risks of Musk takeover - Access Now
00:30 TR News; ICBM: "From the first lockdown to todays slow and strategic reopening, industry conditions have been anything but favorable or predictable. For this reason, leaders should take a targeted approach to managing hybrid work systems." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/5/hybrid-work-best-practices-times-uncertainty
00:30 TR Bot; Hybrid work: Best practices in times of uncertainty | The Enterprisers Project
00:31 TR News; Nest with Fedora: Call for proposals and sponsors - Fedora Community [sic] Blog https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/nest-2022-cfp/ Source: ICBM
00:31 TR Bot; Nest with Fedora: Call for proposals and sponsors Fedora Community Blog
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00:32 TR News; [LINUX PATCH 0/2] Add Xilinx DSI-Tx DRM driver - Venkateshwar Rao Gannavarapu https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/1652363593-45799-1-git-send-email-venkateshwar.rao.gannavarapu@xilinx.com/ Source: xilinx
00:32 TR Bot; [LINUX PATCH 0/2] Add Xilinx DSI-Tx DRM driver - Venkateshwar Rao Gannavarapu
00:35 TR News; This is not a backdoor. It's something put on already-compromised machines. This is a distraction from actual backdoors and Windows. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/bpfdoor-stealthy-linux-malware-bypasses-firewalls-for-remote-access/
00:35 TR Bot; BPFdoor: Stealthy Linux malware bypasses firewalls for remote access
00:37 TR News; IBM/Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164789
00:37 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines
00:38 TR News; Improved Process Isolation in Firefox 100 - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/05/improved-process-isolation-in-firefox-100/ Source: Mozilla
00:38 TR Bot; Improved Process Isolation in Firefox 100 - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog
00:38 TR News; "Trailing dots on host names in URLs is the gift that keeps on giving. Let me take you through a dwindling story of how the dot is handled differently in different places through the stack of an Internet client. The evil trailing dot." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/05/12/a-tale-of-a-trailing-dot/
00:38 TR Bot; tale of a trailing dot | daniel.haxx.se
00:39 TR News; "Congratulations to Rust for its first (but not its last) supply-chain attack this week! They join a growing club of broken-by-design package managers which publish packages uploaded by vendors directly" https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/12/Supply-chain-when-will-we-learn.html
00:39 TR Bot; When will we learn?
00:44 TR News; http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/
00:45 TR Bot; Links 12/05/2022: AlmaLinux OS 8.6 and LibreOffice 7.2.7 | Techrights
00:45 MinceR; (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/6uNTEvK.mp4
00:45 TR News; PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL 14.3, 13.7, 12.11, 11.16, and 10.21 Released! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164791
00:45 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL 14.3, 13.7, 12.11, 11.16, and 10.21 Released! | Tux Machines
00:46 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164790
00:46 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
00:46 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164792
00:46 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
00:46 TR News; Links 12/05/2022: AlmaLinux OS 8.6 and LibreOffice 7.2.7 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/
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00:58 bnchs; "Log in to Gerrit code review. You currently need a Github account for logging in."
00:58 bnchs; bruh
00:58 bnchs; no way
00:58 bnchs; no got-dang way
00:58 matey; lol
00:58 bnchs; no motherfucking got-dang way i need a GITHUB TO ACCESS A GERRIT INSTANCE
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 13.83 average k/sec., average swarm size 505.85
00:59 matey; this comes as no surprise
01:00 matey; this sort of tie-in has nothing to do with free software
01:00 matey; its pure open source
01:00 matey; "dove, 100$ pure"
01:00 matey; pure soap
01:00 matey; whats soap? its n% this, x% that...
01:01 matey; but if you add all the ingredients together, its 100% something
01:01 matey; (and what isnt?)
01:02 matey; like the roads are made of 100% pure road
01:02 matey; ive never seen a road that wasnt made entirely of road
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01:05 matey; taco bell is made with 100% real all natural sawdust
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01:05 AndroUser; hello
01:05 matey; its carbon-based, so its even organic sawdust
01:05 matey; it might even be kosher
01:06 matey; i mean, the sawdust. certainly not the meat they add to it
01:06 matey; /me sees if they have a kosher taco bell in israel
01:07 MinceR; not even pure open source, more like open core
01:07 matey; www.vrg.org/blog/2014/08/08/taco-bell-ingredient-update/
01:07 matey; Taco Bell's nutritionist added this comment about their cheese enzymes: Today, due to the need for Kosher cheese and the cost of using animal sources, genetically engineered coagulants are used. The genetically engineered chymosin is derived from a modified strain of the dairy yeast Kluyveromyces lactis.
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01:07 matey; mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
01:08 matey; yeast INCEPTION
01:08 matey; yeast(yeast(yeast()))
01:09 matey; not to be confused with yeats
01:09 matey; if you add yeats to hopps, you just get drunken poetry
01:10 matey; "kluyveromyces lactis you get down here right now!"
01:10 matey; "aww mom, what is it?"
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01:10 matey; "youve been coagulating cheese again, havent you?"
01:11 matey; "no, i swear"
01:11 matey; "if ive told you once ive told you a MILLION times, DONT EXAGGERATE"
01:12 matey; <MinceR> not even pure open source, more like open core <- nel blu dipinto de blu
01:13 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_blu,_dipinto_di_blu_(song)
01:13 TR Bot; Nel blu, dipinto di blu (song) - Wikipedia
01:14 matey; "have you been to the palace?"
01:14 matey; "no, no i havent"
01:15 matey; "oh, you must, you must! it wont be there much longer, you know-- they are cleaning it!"
01:16 activelow; nnn sucks... won't need this
01:17 activelow; still lured into non-*nix thinking
01:17 activelow; need to clear my mind, what's necessary, and what isn't
01:18 matey; www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/monarchy-could-be-on-its-last-legs-by-2030-once-the-queen-is-not-on-the-throne-a6967066.html
01:18 matey; The British monarchy could be on its "last legs" by 2030, a historian has suggested. Dr Anna Whitelock, a reader in early modern history at Royal Holloway in London, said support for the monarchy...
01:18 matey; what i like even more than that is the very next link in the search results :)
01:19 matey; Oh, the Places You'll Go! Quotes by Dr. Seuss - Goodreads
01:19 matey; www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2125304-oh-the-places-you-ll-go
01:19 matey; "And when you're alone, there's a very good chance you'll meet things that scare you right out of your pants. There are some, down the road between hither and yon, that can scare you so much you won't want to go on. But on you will go though the weather be foul. On you will go though your enemies prowl.
01:20 matey; higgledy piggledy wiggledy too, i guess the queen will soon be through. king chuck bit off too much to chew, oh dear, says one, what shall one do?
01:22 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JwEu3Wb1hM4
01:22 TR Bot; Eminem Disses Christmas (Killshot Remix) (PARODY) - Invidious
01:29 matey; https://en.mediamass.net/people/bruno-mars/deathhoax.html Some fans have expressed anger at the fake report saying it was reckless, distressing and hurtful to fans of the much loved singer. Others say this shows his extreme popularity across the globe.
01:29 TR Bot; Bruno Mars dead 2022 : Singer killed by celebrity death hoax - Mediamass
01:30 matey; though it does feel like hes locked out of heaven
01:32 matey; some idiot at puppy linux started telling people i was dead after confusing me with the late, great robert storey
01:33 matey; robert storey was a better writer and a better person than i
01:33 matey; he was extremely generous and thoughtful
01:34 matey; what made the fellow at puppy an idiot was he basically went around telling everyone i was dead
01:34 matey; i thought he was acting like he was happy about it
01:35 matey; finally i talked with him and set him straight, but not before he informed me of my unfortunate demise
01:35 matey; i still dont think it was an honest mistake. it reeked of wishful thinking. thanks, dick.
01:36 matey; if you take my least favourite person, of those ive actually known
01:36 matey; and the same happened to them
01:36 matey; even i wouldnt gloat about it so shamelessly
01:38 matey; check it out, im being blocked from A SINGLE WORD by a fucking captcha https://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2007/02/watch-out-theres-weasel-word-about.html
01:38 matey; ONE WORD
01:38 TR Bot; open...: Watch Out, There's a Weasel Word About
01:39 matey; even funnier, is its a post by glyn moody
01:42 matey; its because he outsourced to google (11 years ago) http://web.archive.org/web/20201001180446/http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2007/02/watch-out-theres-weasel-word-about.html
01:42 matey; the weasel word, funnily enough, is "freedom"
01:42 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://web.archive.org/web/20201001180446/http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2007/02/watch-out-theres-weasel-word-about.html )
01:43 matey; open source has been trying to turn freedom into a weasel word for decades
01:44 matey; and i guess portugal, 11 years ago, tried to make creative commons illegal http://web.archive.org/web/20210616003349/https://thecommandline.net/2011/05/09/is-portugal-really-trying-to-make-creative-commons-licenses-illegal/
01:44 TR Bot; Is Portugal Really Trying to Make Creative Commons Licenses Illegal? The Command Line
01:44 matey; dont bother going without the archive. 404.
01:45 matey; To use Falkvinges word, this proposed law is revolting for interfering with outcomes, fixating an incidental circumstances of some intermediaries, at certain points in the history of cultural production.
01:45 matey; proposed law
01:45 matey; ROFL
01:46 matey; the law against sharing was proposed by portugals SOCIALIST party!
01:46 matey; this is the length the fake left will go to
01:46 matey; maybe the third (fourth) worst socialist party ever
01:46 matey; there are some shitty ones
01:47 matey; im pro-socialism. some of the parties calling themselves that are worse than systemd
01:49 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunism
01:49 TR Bot; Opportunism - Wikipedia
01:50 matey; "Left" opportunism is a highly volatile mixture of ultrarevolutionary theories and adventuristic tactical objectives that push the revolutionary working-class movement into unjustified actions and senseless sacrifices and defeats. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Opportunism
01:50 TR Bot; Opportunism - Leftypedia
01:50 matey; "Within Marxist organizing, opportunism refers to the abandonment of long-term aims in favour of short-term political success, more specifically through affiliation with bourgeois governments."
01:50 matey; such as lieplanet
01:50 matey; which abandons free software for open source and stabs the founder in the back
01:51 matey; pure fraud
01:51 matey; "In this, critics such as Rosa Luxemburg and Vladimir Lenin saw an abandonment of the working class character of these socialist parties."
01:53 matey; im STRONGLY pro-union, but when dealing with charlatans such as these: techworkerscoalition.org its worth noting that a union is a coin with two sides
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01:53 matey; on the one side of a union is the fact that whenever workers decide to organise (a good thing
01:53 matey; )
01:53 matey; they choose the big unions, the established unions-- whether or not theyre any good
01:54 matey; in other words its like when activists choose twitter
01:54 matey; theres no point telling them to create their OWN union
01:54 matey; this is never the first step
01:55 matey; workers who want to organise and strike for better treatment invariably go with established (large, if mediocre) unions
01:55 matey; if (but not before) that effort fails, maybe a new union is created, but not before
01:55 matey; so all large-scale organising starts with tried, if not true
01:55 matey; so thats where the workers are
01:56 matey; but the other side of the coin, is large established unions have union leaders
01:56 matey; and if a union is a good thing, it stands to reason (falsely) that union leaders are good too
01:56 matey; union leaders however, are more like politicians
01:56 matey; their job is to negotiate, and frequently, capitulate
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01:57 matey; so at the bottom a union is very important
01:57 matey; aand at the top, its a snow cap made of utter shit
01:57 matey; ultimate the workers oust the shit leader and replace them
01:57 matey; or start their own union, but it never starts that way
01:58 matey; so are unions a good thing? yes, provided that you understand the role of the leader.
01:58 matey; otherwise you might think theyre not shit.
01:58 matey; maybe when union leaders fail they go to work for socialist (reform) parties
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01:59 matey; whats wrong with reform? its the same level of selling out they were doing as union leaders
01:59 matey; you promise progress, you give the people a pile of shit.
01:59 matey; theres a way out of that loop, but dont trust reformers
01:59 matey; they stand for nothing.
01:59 matey; (and THAT is why tom and i no longer talk)
02:00 matey; (this mostly isnt about him though i thought id mention it, since roy was nice enough to bring it up a few weeks ago)
02:01 matey; if given a choice between turning on the cause and turning on someone who has sold out
02:01 matey; ill turn on the sellout
02:01 matey; most often they will try to fuck me over, before i consider returning the favour
02:01 matey; tom might be okay
02:02 matey; but i dont trust him, and ive been stung before. its my prerogative.
02:02 matey; it was kind of oliva to apologise, and maybe it was an honest mistake on his part
02:02 matey; but he sold me out, and i dont trust him, and his feelings are hurt
02:03 matey; well, it sucks to be him. i dont have to tell him that.
02:04 activelow; obviously different $TERM differ with their capabilities...
02:04 matey; people are selling out good people because they have more faith in organisations than the people who fucking built them
02:04 matey; well, thats not me
02:04 matey; fuck an organisation. individuals DO matter
02:04 activelow; there is another one... $TERM are too _incompatible_ with capabilities with should NOT be
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02:05 activelow; meaning, there seems no basic set of compatible capbilities, that's why de/re-attaching with different $TERM with abduco session manager and dvtm is a pain
02:05 matey; <matey> fuck an organisation. individuals DO matter
02:05 matey; especially since an individual can have more integrity, on AVERAGE, than any group
02:05 matey; when a group is busy selling out its base
02:05 activelow; there isn't a common $TERM with a basic set of capabilities which always works among _all_ $TERM types
02:05 matey; those individuals are the most valuable-- and the most maligned.
02:05 activelow; this sucks
02:06 matey; EXCUSE THE FUCK OUT OF ME for not going along with that.
02:06 matey; if i had known it was a dick-sucking contest, i would have found someone who was interested in puckering up.
02:06 matey; but its not me, sorry.
02:06 activelow; because i though, i though, ok, test with the most basic set of capabilities: monochrome, no sixels of cause, nothing fancy...
02:06 activelow; nonetheless de/re-attaching such a terminal type breaks when switching between xterm <-> linux terminal types
02:07 matey; im not into that sort of competition
02:08 matey; if im going to suck anyone off, its going to be because i actually like them
02:08 matey; not to impress some group of idiots
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02:08 activelow; gnu screen terminal capabilites provide a basic set which works, yet with this i got some character/line screen clearing issues still
02:09 activelow; i mean, TERM=linux function keys F1...F12 aren't at least compatible with TERM=xterm... i receive different keycodes with those within TERM=linux and TERM=xterm ... this sucks
02:10 matey; its true that invididualism is overdone. its the individual egos that decide theyre going to destroy people like stallman because they think theyre better.
02:10 activelow; ok, ditch function keys, can live with this... backspace/delete and cursor positioning/character-clearing ... this isn't acceptable
02:10 matey; but the first thing they do is start some bullshit organisation-- like osi
02:10 matey; or some fake shit like gnu.fools.
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02:10 matey; and then they proceed to tell people how things are going to be
02:10 matey; and then-- nothing. they do nothing. they follow nothing. they stand for-- nothing.
02:10 matey; it was never about more than them.
02:11 matey; thats what lieplanet is
02:11 matey; thats what open source is
02:11 matey; thats what eric fucking raymond is.
02:11 matey; a sad little... big man.
02:11 matey; a sellout
02:11 matey; a backstabber
02:11 matey; a shit.
02:11 matey; tbh, historically...
02:12 activelow; what?
02:12 matey; his contributions were substantial
02:12 matey; even epic
02:12 matey; but he has no integrity
02:12 matey; and you cant build any kind of real progress, with fake integrity.
02:12 matey; you can build osi though.
02:12 matey; thanks, i guess.
02:13 matey; karl fogel decides cc0 isnt a free license
02:13 matey; fucking retard.
02:13 matey; seriously, karl fogel stopped making a shred of fucking sense at that moment
02:13 matey; at that point the ediface became THE thing, and the thing it stood for became a fucking farce
02:14 matey; fogel became a farce along with it
02:14 matey; dont let this happen to you
02:14 matey; dont be like these idiots
02:14 matey; its better to be no one, and stand for something
02:14 matey; than to be king, and be a worthless dick.
02:15 matey; open source will never, can never, understand this.
02:15 matey; "IM KING OF THE WORLD!"
02:15 matey; youre a fucking cuntsicle clinging to a piece of wood in the middle of the fucking ocean.
02:15 matey; have fun with that.
02:20 matey; eric raymond said "where is my friend" about stallman after the cancellation
02:20 matey; he might as well have said "am i my brothers keeper"
02:20 matey; he didnt have to sign the letter
02:20 matey; hes the one that engineered the whole fucking thing
02:20 matey; im not saying he deployed it
02:20 matey; on that note i dont know the whole story
02:20 matey; probably never will
02:21 matey; but what happened 3 years ago, had been in the osi vault for AGES
02:21 matey; he fucking engineered it
02:21 matey; the question is: why?
02:21 matey; answer that and youll know more about open source than 99% of people
02:21 matey; myself included
02:22 matey; with friends like that, who needs 40mm enema launchers?
02:24 matey; Left opportunism tries to push the revolutionary movement onto an adventurist path. Its erroneous actions, disguised in revolutionary, Marxist phraseology, discredit communism, thus playing into the hands of the bourgeoisie. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Opportunism
02:24 TR Bot; Opportunism - Leftypedia
02:25 matey; https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
02:25 TR Bot; LibrePlanet-discuss a discussion email list for the LibrePlanet Community.
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02:26 matey; fake revolution makes it so no one believes in the struggle for real progress anymore
02:27 matey; thats clearly what (a) has happened and (b) CONTINUES to happen to free software
02:27 matey; there IS a fix
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02:27 matey; indeed there are several
02:27 matey; but if people keep siding with those destroying everything it stood for
02:27 matey; the results dont require a batshit "rocket scientists" like elon musk to figure out what the results will be
02:28 matey; we do need an a-team of nobodies, to rebuild free software
02:28 matey; but the a-team wont backstab anyone
02:29 matey; they wont rebrand doublespeak as "diplomacy" or "good manners"
02:29 matey; or "acceptable conduct"
02:29 matey; all of those are distractions
02:29 matey; free software was already acceptable.
02:29 matey; but nothing one does will make everyone accept it.
02:31 matey; no integrity-- no movement.
02:32 matey; just a bunch of twits doing to free software what systemd did to debian
02:37 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-120522.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-120522.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-120522.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-120522.txt
02:37 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, May 12, 2022
02:37 matey; Unfortunately, this is not some abstract battle between different points of view. For example, if CC licences become illegal in Portugal, this would presumably mean that contributing to Wikipedia would also become illegal. Maybe Wikipedia itself would become illegal - there seems no limit to the absurdity of the knock-on consequences when starting from such a ridiculous premise.
02:37 matey; (2011)
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02:42 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-05-12.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-05-12.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
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03:42 activelow; linux libdrm/kms subsystem... i don't know... just wanted to see if /dev/fb0 can be switched down to 8bit 256color format
03:43 activelow; 8bit depth rgb format isn't supported by the gpu driver, the kernel sources of some seem slightly confused, and the userspace utilities are weird, particularly the libdrm related ones
03:43 activelow; i am glad, at least is wiped finally
03:43 activelow; i am glad, at least libdrm is wiped finally
03:44 activelow; of cause i can keep terminal capabilities at 256 colors, which is default, yet i hoped framebuffer could be scaled down to some reasonable limit, to make it faster
03:45 activelow; i'll keep framebuffer at 16bit... which too is a test case to see, which format conversions are flawed with sixels involved
03:45 DaemonFC; They have smart features on my dehumidifier.
03:45 DaemonFC; I can control it from my phone.
03:45 DaemonFC; What's funny is I'm sure the security is horrible and someone could install the app and find out you have a dehumidifier and turn on continual pump without it being hooked up into a drain.
03:46 DaemonFC; And you come home and find gallons and gallons of water all over your floor.
03:47 activelow; the terminal capability incompatibilities are worse, can't grasp the wisdom not at least some basic set of capabilities among relevant terminal types
03:48 activelow; such as with backspace/delete, cursor positioning and character/line clearing... for virtual terminals i mean (not a modem line or printer which can't erase of cause)
03:49 activelow; long story short, not at least 256bit color virtual terminal remain compatible
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04:39 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, May 12, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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04:39 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:39 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
04:44 TR News; "For years people have wanted Nvidia to open source there Linux drivers and finally they've done so however it's not that simple and big parts of the driver stack will remain proprietary including the CUDA, Vulkan and OpenGL support." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1jkB8jA0X3Q
04:44 TR Bot; Nvidia Open Sources Linux Drivers!! But There's A Catch - Invidious
04:45 TR News; Not all open-source leaders are jerks - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/12/not_all_opensource_leaders_are/ Source: theregister
04:45 TR Bot; Not all open-source leaders are jerks The Register
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04:51 TR News; "Paradox Interactive has released the major Stellaris: Overlord expansion, along with a free Stellaris 3.4 version update." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/stellaris-34-cepheus-and-stellaris-overlord-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
04:51 TR Bot; 3.4 'Cepheus' and Stellaris: Overlord out now | GamingOnLinux
04:51 TR News; "Probably one of the most important creatures on Earth and now you'll be looking after them in APICO on May 20, 2022." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/save-the-bees-on-may-20-with-the-release-of-apico/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
04:51 TR Bot; the Bees on May 20 with the release of APICO | GamingOnLinux
04:52 TR News; "Have you burned out on Vampire Survivors and want something new? Or perhaps you just prefer spaceships?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/uh-oh-gunlocked-is-like-vampire-survivors-in-space-and-just-as-absorbing/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
04:52 TR Bot; oh, Gunlocked is like Vampire Survivors in space and just as absorbing | GamingOnLinux
04:53 TR News; "Looking for the best time to order your Librem 14 laptop?" https://puri.sm/posts/summer-sale-on-librem-14-laptops/ | Source: Purism
04:53 TR Bot; Summer Sale on Librem 14 Laptops Purism
04:54 TR News; "Hailo and Lanner Electronics launched a cost efficient PCIe accelerator card called the Falcon H8." https://linuxgizmos.com/lanners-falcon-h8-ai-accelerator-card-powered-by-hailo-8-ai-processors/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
04:54 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/lanners-falcon-h8-ai-accelerator-card-powered-by-hailo-8-ai-processors/ )
04:54 TR News; "Core Keeper is another big indie hit and for good reason, it's a total gem" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/core-keeper-gets-dedicated-servers-upcoming-sunken-sea-biome-sounds-huge/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
04:54 TR Bot; Keeper gets dedicated servers, upcoming Sunken Sea Biome sounds huge | GamingOnLinux
04:55 TR News; "The Garden Path is an upcoming casual chilled-out life sim that looks gorgeous." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/get-an-early-look-at-the-garden-path-with-a-few-copies-left-on-itchio/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
04:55 TR Bot; an early look at The Garden Path with a few copies left on itch.io | GamingOnLinux
04:56 TR News; "x86-based Universal CPE (uCPE)" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/practical-solution-cloudify-network-edge-why-containers-white-box-devices-and-sd-wan-are-ideal | Source: Red Hat Official
04:56 TR Bot; A practical solution to cloudify the network edge: Why containers, white-box devices and SD-WAN are ideal
04:56 TR News; "The Jackbox Party Starter has been announced to launch this "Summer", which will be the perfect entry to get the party started with more languages supported." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/the-jackbox-party-starter-coming-this-summer-with-more-localization/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
04:56 TR Bot; Jackbox Party Starter coming this 'Summer' with more localization | GamingOnLinux
04:57 TR News; "Another absolutely huge update for the Steam Deck just landed, with Valve clearly taking on lots of feedback to make it the best handheld gaming device around." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/steam-deck-gets-per-app-performance-profiles-hardware-survey-and-loads-more/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
04:57 TR Bot; Deck gets per-app performance profiles, hardware survey and loads more | GamingOnLinux
04:57 TR News; Nvidia Open Sources Drivers, FOSS Is Winning! (Despite The Haters) https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/nvidia-open-sources-drivers,-foss-is:6 Source: DistroTube
04:57 TR Bot; Nvidia Open Sources Drivers, FOSS Is Winning! (Despite The Haters)
04:57 TR News; old: An Open Letter to Hobbyists https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/surf/072397mind-letter.html Source: archive
04:57 TR Bot; An Open Letter to Hobbyists
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05:02 TR News; ""Two days ago the wireplumber package was made to replace pipewire-media-session https://archlinux.org/news/undone-replacement-of-pipewire-media-session-with-wireplumber/ |
05:02 TR Bot; Arch Linux - News: Undone replacement of pipewire-media-session with wireplumber
05:03 TR News; "With Kubernetes 1.24 the gRPC probes functionality entered beta and is available by default." https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/05/13/grpc-probes-now-in-beta/
05:03 TR Bot; Kubernetes 1.24: gRPC container probes in beta | Kubernetes
05:05 TR News; "The past month has been exciting, with both LXD 5.0 LTS and Ubuntu 22.04 LTS being launched." https://ubuntu.com//blog/shared-development-environment-with-lxd | Source: Ubuntu
05:05 TR Bot; up a secure shared development environment with LXD | Ubuntu
05:06 TR News; "A growing Advantech and Canonical collaboration means deployment-ready IoT devices are more market accessible" https://ubuntu.com//blog/advantech-canonical-boost-security-and-edge-features-in-uno-embedded-automation-platform-with-pre-loaded-ubuntu-and-ubuntu-core-20 | Source: Ubuntu
05:06 TR Bot; Canonical Boost Security and Edge Features in UNO Embedded Automation Platform with Pre-Loaded Ubuntu and Ubuntu Core 20 | Ubuntu
05:09 TR News; Starbucks https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/12/are-starbucks-union-busting-tactics-legal/ | Source: Counter Punch
05:09 TR Bot; Starbucks' Union-Busting Tactics Legal? - CounterPunch.org
05:10 TR News; "Raspberry Pi Pico is a low-cost microcontroller that can be connected to another computer" https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-pico-classroom-physical-computing/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
05:10 TR Bot; Teaching with Raspberry Pi Pico in the computing classroom - Raspberry Pi
05:11 TR News; "Julia has initiated numerous international cooperation projects in the museum field around capacity building and organizational transformation." https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/12/episode-30-open-culture-voices-julia-pagel/ | Source: Creative Commons
05:11 TR Bot; Episode 30: Open Culture VOICES Julia Pagel - Creative Commons
05:15 TR News; "he was deputy development manager and head of digital services and communication at Paris Muses." https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/12/episode-29-open-culture-voices-philippe-riviere/ | Source: Creative Commons
05:15 TR Bot; Episode 29: Open Culture VOICES Philippe Rivire - Creative Commons
05:19 TR News; #Boycottstarbucks a thing yet? https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-union-momentum-grows-with-groundbreaking-first-wins-in-california/ | Source: TruthOut
05:19 TR Bot; Starbucks Union Momentum Grows With Groundbreaking First Wins in California
05:21 TR News; SweatshopZone https://truthout.org/articles/amazons-inadequate-safety-rules-put-thousands-at-risk-aoc-and-warren-say/ | Source: TruthOut
05:21 TR Bot; Amazons Inadequate Safety Rules Put Thousands at Risk, AOC and Warren Say
05:22 TR News; "Im currently a member of the Chinese Text Layout Task Force" https://chenhuijing.com/blog/font-face-fun-times/ | Source: Chen HuiJing
05:22 TR Bot; @font-face fun times
05:22 TR News; "The ERTMS is one of those technical things rail nerds and industry insiders hear about every few years, but it never seems to go anywhere." https://rubenerd.com/the-european-rail-traffic-management-system/ | Source: Ruben Schade
05:22 TR Bot; The European Rail Traffic Management System
05:34 activelow; another one on the hitlist for removal: Vim... back to elvis
05:34 TR News; More disinformation https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/120-groups-call-social-media-giants-combat-election-disinformation-ahead-midterms | Source: Common Dreams
05:34 TR Bot; 120+ Groups Call On Social Media Giants to Combat Election Disinformation Ahead of Midterms
05:56 matey; <DaemonFC> They have smart features on my dehumidifier. <DaemonFC> I can control it from my phone.
05:57 matey; <DaemonFC> And you come home and find gallons and gallons of water all over your floor. <- this is what was missing from the sony aibo
05:57 TR News; "As enforced by these corporate apparatchiks of Managerialism, university academics are obliged to compete by means of publishing in the so-called top journals, and to stockpile (quantity over quality) ever greater numbers of publications than their peers." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/12/academentia-and-managerialism/ | Source: Counter Punch
05:57 TR Bot; and Managerialism - CounterPunch.org
05:58 matey; that and warning to not use it as a water dispenser, as "the aibos reservoir is not food-safe and it should not be used as a water dispenser"
05:58 matey; ...not unlike a real dog.
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06:00 matey; "all i ask is for sharks with frikkin laser beams on their foreheads and a robot dog i can use as a water dispenser. throw me a frikkin booone here."
06:01 matey; sony would probably be LESS evil if it were run by dr evil from a frikkin volcano.
06:03 matey; though i can imagine frau repeating his worst ideas at the top of her lungs
06:04 matey; "remove support for linux from the ps3" "REMOVE LINUX SUPPPOOOOOORRRRRRTTT!!!!!!!!"
06:05 matey; "mr powers, youre too late, ive already sent out the firmware updates over the "internet""
06:05 matey; "whyd you do it dr evil?"
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06:06 matey; "isnt it kind of poontless? i mean, if you want to run linux why not buy an actual com-PUT-ter?"
06:06 matey; "thats not the point, man, if the ps3 can run it anyway, why not just be groovy and let people use it?"
06:08 matey; "i sent out the updates because i enjoy when users suffer"
06:08 matey; "man, you really missed your calling, you could have worked for microsoft."
06:08 TR News; "Disney is looking for a senior paralegal to expand its anti-[sharing] team in Burbank California." https://torrentfreak.com/disney-seeks-a-paralegal-to-help-combat-online-piracy-220512/ | Source: Torrent Freak
06:08 TR Bot; Seeks a Senior Paralegal to Help Combat Online Piracy * TorrentFreak
06:08 TR News; "The Italian telecoms regulator AGCOM already has tools at its disposal to fight" filesharing/streaming https://torrentfreak.com/new-legislation-gives-telecoms-regulator-major-power-to-fight-piracy-220512/ | Source: Torrent Freak
06:08 TR Bot; Legislation Gives Telecoms Regulator Major Powers to Fight Piracy * TorrentFreak
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06:08 matey; "i tried. they said i reminded them too much of steve ball-mer, and they already had one."
06:08 TR News; "The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) says it is investigating reports" https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/05/dea-investigating-breach-of-law-enforcement-data-portal/ | Source: Krebs On Security
06:08 TR Bot; DEA Investigating Breach of Law Enforcement Data Portal Krebs on Security
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06:10 matey; "oh yeah?"
06:10 matey; "yes, and the stole my frikkin plans. cloud 360 was MY idea."
06:12 matey; Meet aibo, Sony's robotic dog that has been evolving for over two decades | Aibo Community Hub AIBO was first introduced to the world in 1999 and development has continued to progress as the industry of technology has advanced. Today Sony is focused on the ERS-1000, its brand-new version of the robotic puppy.
06:12 matey; that isnt evolution, its unintelligent design
06:13 matey; www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/yes-the-robot-dog-ate-your-privacy/
06:13 matey; At $2,900, Sony's robot dog Aibo sits at the fringe of technology, but it might not stay there. Whether you find it cute or creepy, the tech that makes Aibo tick is continuing to evolve, and it...
06:14 matey; To be clear, Aibo's tech already includes artificial intelligence, sensors and microphones that help it interact with people, and cameras that can recognize faces and help it navigate your home like a Roomba. A reasonable consumer might rightly wonder just how much data this dog gathers as it wanders their home scanning faces and learning about its owners.
06:14 matey; always nice to find out your robot dog is a russian (japanese) spy.
06:15 matey; 2 cameras and 4 mics! its like someone gave legs to a smartphone and an echo dot.
06:16 matey; but can it be used as a gps when you drive?
06:16 matey; "aibo, how to do i get to perm-36?"
06:16 matey; "ri roh roh?"
06:16 matey; everyone knows that, you just look at stalin funny.
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06:19 matey; www.historyanswers.co.uk/people-politics/perm-36-the-soviet-era-gulag-museum-where-putin-is-rewriting-history/
06:19 matey; Perm-36 - located 95 kilometres away from the city, in the village of Kuchino - stopped being a camp/colony in 1988, and since then has been developed as both a memorial and a museum to the Gulag system. Post-Stalin, the camp and repressions continued - they didn't suddenly stop with Uncle Joe's death in 1953.
06:20 matey; Little Father, Uncle Joe or Koba was a mass-murdering dictator whose corrective-camp labour system, known as Gulag (Glavnoe upravlenie lagerei, translated as Main Administration Camp), led to the displacement and deaths of millions. Mid-20th century Russia and its rocket-paced progress was built on the backs, and then the bones, of the dead
06:20 matey; when it comes to infrastructure programmes like roads and canals, thats meant pretty much literally.
06:20 matey; But to many, Stalin was the leader who saved them from the Nazis during World War II
06:20 matey; LOL
06:21 matey; he just fucking sat there while the nazis poured in, AFTER he blew up the fortifications designed to prevent precisely this as a gesture of "good will"
06:21 matey; There was and still is a romantic notion to contend with: that Stalin always had the best intentions for the country and if he went wrong along the way, it was due to enemies of the people or was ultimately justifiable
06:22 matey; its funny how people will line up to defend a madman
06:22 matey; The modernisation of Russia into a superpower cost millions in lives. To suggest every single prisoner was a class enemy, a wrecker or saboteur, is preposterous. If not arrested and exiled on imaginary pretexts or crimes, they were taken at the least provocation. One man was arrested and sent to a corrective-labour camp for selling a piglet at market. He was denounced as a speculator.
06:23 matey; if he had only sold pooh or eeyore he might have gotten away with it
06:23 matey; Trumped up charges like these meant a steady stream of expendable workforces
06:24 matey; when the usa "ended" slavery they made sure the amendment to the constitution didnt remove this form of it
06:25 matey; Putin has aired opinions about Stalin that the Katyn Massacre of 1940 was a war crime ordered by Stalin and carried out by the NKVD but he has also found the image of Stalin as a useful guiding light to re-establish Russias superiority. The struggle between revisionism and accepted historical reality is creeping rather than a blatant, wholesale rewriting.
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06:25 matey; open russia!
06:26 matey; ossr (occp)
06:26 matey; not to be confused with the fssr, aka lieplanet-36
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06:40 TR News; wifislax64-3.0 VERSION FINAL https://www.wifislax.com/wifislax64-3-0-version-final/
06:40 TR Bot; VERSION FINAL | Live Wifislax
06:40 TR News; Archman 2022.05.13 is also out https://archman.org/
06:40 TR Bot; Archman GNU/Linux
06:42 matey; We filmed one display. It told about the prisoners of that camp. Like any camp, it confined actual dissidents and human rights advocates together with, literally, Nazi collaborators, as well as recidivist gangsters, and spies. The paradox is that, according to the display we filmed, there was no difference between the former and the latter, which is both immoral and unprofessional.
06:42 matey; and very much like the sort of people who have created lieplanet.
06:42 matey; who can never tell the difference
06:43 matey; first they will hang stallman, of course
06:43 matey; why? hes the worlds greatest bigot and pervert!
06:43 matey; but then, once hes been hobbled politically
06:43 matey; they will say "hes a great guy, it was just time to move on"
06:44 matey; i mean thats not the evil of historical revisionism, thats....
06:44 matey; oh, yeah it is. but its not open source!
06:44 matey; i mean, open source hasnt been rewriting history for 20 fucking years, pretending linus torvalds... um...
06:44 matey; well, fuck!
06:45 matey; i wonder what year theyll have lieplanet #36
06:45 matey; (answer, never-- hopefully it will be gone by then)
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06:47 matey; heres one place the article fucks up majorly "In 2015, the Levada Institute, a non-governmental polling survey body, found that 52 per cent of Russians held Stalin in a positive..."
06:48 matey; YOU REALLY CANT trust the polling orgs in russia!
06:48 matey; even the non-governmental ones.
06:48 matey; but western media routinely cites them as if its TRIVIAL (not SO much) to glean useful or realistic information about russians from them
06:49 matey; really, you might as well ask microsoft if most people love windows.
06:49 matey; YES, some russians do like stalin
06:49 matey; "found that 52 per cent of Russians..." !
06:54 matey; "When this lack of curiosity about the past or attempts at rehabilitation affect places like Perm-36, whose purpose is to speak out for those killed by the state in the name of progress or retribution, the result is far more dangerous than having the face of Stalin emblazoned on a t-shirt, or his mug printed on a coaster, as if hes a Che Guevara type."
06:55 matey; its not like statues of stalin are going (back) up all over russia
06:55 matey; in so many places, hes been torn down while lenin (in so many places) stays up, rarely defaced
06:56 matey; someone DID paint ukranian flag colours on lenins head at one point, but some (at least one eh) ukrainian-sympathetic russians found that "funny"
06:57 matey; considering how nationalist the exploitation of ukraine is, and how passionately anti-nationalist lenin was
06:57 TR News; This is how we do things around here. gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/05/12.1
06:57 matey; its speculation and perhaps ignorantly so, but i wouldnt be surprised if lenin himself would have found that "funny" too
06:58 TR News; New: "As to why I haven't left yet? Because it seems this Agile movement has invaded everywhere and things would be more of the same elsewhere. At least here, I'm not forced to use Windows [4]." gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/05/12.1"
06:58 matey; you can still find idiots in shops who have put a picture of stalin up
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06:59 matey; i think it would be a mistake to let them represent broad russian sentiment
06:59 matey; about as ridiculous as saying "most americans love trump"
06:59 matey; really even more ridiculous, as the margins are that different
07:07 TR News; Disinformation https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/meet-the-head-of-bidens-new-disinformation-governing-board/ | Source: The Nation
07:07 TR Bot; Meet the Head of Bidens New Disinformation Governing Board | The Nation
07:11 matey; so there are other ways (one ive used) to search youtube from the command line... which is great if youre using a command line program to get youtube videos
07:12 matey; but i just discovered that yt-dl (the fork of youtube-dl that despite its faults, does work far better)
07:12 matey; AND YES, its github
07:13 matey; ive now processed literally tens of thousands of free software programs, and weeded out MORE THAN 99 PERCENT of github stuff.
07:13 TR News; Starbucks https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/let-floodgates-open-starbucks-union-scores-first-wins-california | Source: Common Dreams
07:13 TR Bot; 'Let the Floodgates Open': Starbucks Union Scores First Wins in California
07:13 matey; and even after doing that, i will still say good things about yt-dl, but this is an exception to an exception to an exception
07:14 matey; i try very hard to not promote github stuff
07:14 matey; which means practically everything
07:15 matey; so if even i say something great about something on github, its unusual to say the least
07:15 matey; rare
07:16 matey; but getting back to the point, i think to search github from the command line i think you just say (in quotes) "ytsearch: whatever youre searching for"
07:16 matey; instead of the url, with yt-dl
07:16 matey; maybe this feature goes back several years-- i just found it
07:16 matey; havent even used it
07:16 matey; really cool though
07:16 TR News; "persistent refusal to share key coronavirus vaccine and treatment technology" = PATENTS as the problem https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/donation-model-has-failed-supremacy-greed-decried-covid-summit-begins | Source: Common Dreams
07:16 TR Bot; 'Donation Model Has Failed': Supremacy of Greed Decried as Covid Summit Begins
07:17 matey; the problem with youtube-dl, which i really would prefer to use, and havent deleted even though i havent used it in ages
07:17 matey; (and its also github-based)
07:18 matey; is that you cant have a youtube downloader unless you constantly fix what youtube deliberately fucks up
07:18 matey; and youtube-dl is next to abandoned, at least in present, practical terms
07:19 matey; what i LIKE about it is that i think they are less dependent on python 3? so thats very cool
07:19 matey; still, yt-dl actually fixes problems that youtube-dl suffers for long periods of time, unfixed
07:19 matey; its becoming like openoffice vs libreoffice, at least a little bit
07:20 matey; in that openoffice, while i really preferred it for its simplicity, was basically abandoned after it reverted back to a free license
07:21 matey; and libreoffice became more popular and better maintained (although they also added a lot of bloat, some annoyances, and even stabbed richard stallman in the back-- i havent used libreoffice in about a year or more)
07:21 matey; id like to live in a world where a youtube downloader isnt even necessary
07:21 matey; but as long as im using one, yt-dl is the new youtube-dl, and it works well
07:22 matey; and since both are github based, the best thing you can say about the former is that they have tried not to push python 3
07:22 matey; which i really do find admirable as fuck
07:22 matey; for that reason alone i hope they get back on track and start fixing / updating again
07:23 matey; possibly by de-python-3ifying yt-dl, since youtube-dl is otherwise, possibly, soon, maybe dead
07:23 matey; but i really want to be wrong there, so hopefully i will be
07:24 matey; as for why to de-python-3, someone (xrevan) has actually helped to fix the one (technical) feature i hate most about it
07:24 matey; im still impressed
07:24 matey; but even then...
07:24 matey; from a political standpoint, python 3 still has shown a systemd-like attitude towards users. not hard to guess how i feel about that
07:25 matey; systemd-like in downplaying the level theyve gone to to rustify (destabilise) the language
07:26 matey; maybe im playing that up. not deliberately. if they werent downplaying it, id be a lot less likely to upplay it
07:26 matey; i dont really think im upplaying it.
07:26 matey; language destabilisation is a real and very corporate problem
07:26 matey; so i dislike that (and not only that) about python 3
07:26 matey; i dislike that it became google-fied
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07:27 matey; i dislike that guido works for microsoft.
07:27 matey; i mean literally works at microsoft.
07:27 matey; i have no desire to promote a microsoft product.
07:27 matey; they kill everything good. they will kill cpython.
07:28 matey; pypy has done everything i think should have been done about this
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07:28 matey; so i would rather recommend that to as many people as possible
07:28 matey; even if they find they are forced to use cpython for a few things (which they would be, most likely)
07:28 matey; pypy compatibility is a stand for stability, imo
07:29 matey; the closest you can get to stability or sanity with python.
07:29 matey; thats the sort of thing id rather promote
07:29 matey; so if youtube-dl manages to pick itself up again and maybe port features from yt-dl on their (noble) crusade to preserve python 2 compatibility
07:30 matey; i mean thats like what devuan was supposed to give us, its that sort of project-- mate, trinity, etc.
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07:30 matey; i would like to smile on, as much as possible, projects that stand against the treadmill of unnecessary "novel" shit
07:31 matey; with yt-dl, the advantage is simple-- its a tool designed to download videos from the command line.
07:31 matey; its well maintained. its not full of pointless gimmicks.
07:31 matey; im hoping youtube-dl can catch up at some point, but i only tried something else when the former was working unsuitably, and dramatically so
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07:34 matey; this guy has one of those curved monitors
07:34 matey; maybe ill change my mind about them someday, i find them really hideous
07:34 matey; i think theres a technical argument to be made for them, i have yet to warm up to the idea
07:35 matey; i think i could tolerate a much larger screen than this one (indeed i owned one for a while) without going curved
07:35 matey; and there are technical arguments against curved monitors too
07:36 matey; mostly i would expect them to fall apart more readily during a move
07:36 matey; i mean, i can imagine packaging that would help, if you save the box, which some people do
07:36 matey; but if i need a screen thats so big (and expensive) that going curved is in any way practical
07:37 matey; id rather just use a projector again.
07:37 matey; my only gripe with those is they literally burn out
07:37 matey; and then you have to go on the great bulb hunt
07:37 matey; and really, i dont think theyre very friendly (from a design standpoint) about any of this
07:38 TR News; In the MSM, "Aid" means "Weapons". When they say [some monetary sum] for "aid" they mean weapon sales for some US corporations that charge for weapons like 10 times the production cost. Weapons do not aid, they kill...
07:38 matey; other than that, i love projectors.
07:38 TR News; So-called "meatpackers"; as if animals are not just "livestock" but packs https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/house-panel-exposes-how-shameful-meatpackers-put-profits-over-worker-health-during | Source: Common Dreams
07:38 TR Bot; House Panel Exposes How 'Shameful' Meatpackers Put Profits Over Worker Health During Pandemic
07:39 matey; id happily build a screen as large as a wall for one
07:39 matey; its WAY cheaper and easier to move than an actual screen that size
07:39 TR News; "Our own Glyn Moody has written several posts about how exceptions that have been made to copyright laws throughout the world have picked up steam" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/visually-impaired-advocacy-group-goes-to-war-with-south-africa-copyright-law/ | Source: Techdirt
07:39 TR Bot; Impaired Advocacy Group Goes To War With South Africa Copyright Law | Techdirt
07:39 matey; im kind of surprised this isnt more popular as a solution, even for like gamers
07:40 matey; but eh
07:40 TR News; "What the actual fuck, EU? While they pretend to be all about protecting privacy, they then push out this bit of utter nonsense: a bill to protect the children by literally requiring online services scan all messaging" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/eu-proposes-its-own-version-of-earn-it-effectively-mandates-full-surveillance-of-all-messaging-no-encryption/ | Source: Techdirt
07:40 TR Bot; Proposes Its Own Version Of EARN IT: Effectively Mandates Full Surveillance Of All Messaging & No Encryption | Techdirt
07:41 TR News; "military-grade surveillance" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/california-law-enforcement-now-needs-approval-military-grade-surveillance | Source: EFF
07:41 TR Bot; California Law Enforcement Now Needs Approval for Military-Grade Surveillance Equipment. We'll Be Watching. | Electronic Frontier Foundation
07:41 matey; and id still use a monitor, but i do tasks even now where turning a projector on would be amazing
07:41 matey; i dont presently own one
07:41 matey; ive used a few
07:42 matey; a combination of preferring used hardware and hard-to-find bulbs is a real drawback
07:42 TR News; Wow, EFF has a new slant on free speech. Read this. See what EFF makes of free speech... (partisan bullshit from CohnPAC) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/blow-free-speech-texas-unconstitutional-social-media-law-allowed-proceed-pending | Source: EFF
07:42 TR Bot; In a Blow to Free Speech, Texas Social Media Law Allowed to Proceed Pending Appeal | Electronic Frontier Foundation
07:42 TR News; "software pants" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/why-get-dressed-when-there-are-software-pants/ | Source: Hackaday
07:42 TR Bot; Get Dressed When There Are Software Pants? | Hackaday
07:42 matey; also those fuckers probably have a lot of mercury (by comparison)
07:43 matey; so if youre using something else for (sound, justifiable) environmental reasons, i totally respect that
07:43 TR News; EFF: partisan politics instead of tech substance. Personal projects rather than principles. Attacking Wikileaks and RMS... for the wrong reasons.
07:43 matey; i know most green stuff is bs, but at least some decisions (like reusing what would be e-waste) are sound
07:47 TR News; "Every generation has an instrument which defines its sound, and for those whose formative musical years lie in the 1980s, a very strong contender to the crown is the Roland TR-808 percussion synthesizer." https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/how-the-roland-808-cowbell-worked/ | Source: Hackaday
07:47 TR Bot; The Roland 808 Cowbell Worked | Hackaday
07:47 TR News; "Florida and Texas both passed blatantly unconstitutional laws limiting the ability of social media websites to moderate." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/the-5th-circuit-reinstates-texas-obviously-unconstitutional-social-media-law-effective-immediately/ | Source: Techdirt
07:47 TR Bot; 5th Circuit Reinstates Texas Obviously Unconstitutional Social Media Law Effective Immediately | Techdirt
07:47 TR News; Texas https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/just-how-incredibly-fucked-up-is-texas-social-media-content-moderation-law/ | Source: Techdirt
07:47 TR Bot; How Incredibly Fucked Up Is Texas Social Media Content Moderation Law? | Techdirt
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07:53 TR News; "Anyone whos ever assembled a PCB full of tiny SMD parts will have found that tweezers are not always the best tool" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/hackaday-prize-2022-salvaged-pumps-and-hoses-make-a-neat-vacuum-pickup-tool/ | Source: Hackaday
07:53 TR Bot; Prize 2022: Salvaged Pumps And Hoses Make A Neat Vacuum Pickup Tool | Hackaday
07:54 TR News; "Nine years ago, MakerBot was acquired by Stratasys in a deal worth slightly north of $600 million." https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/makerbot-and-ultimaker-to-merge-focus-on-industry/ | Source: Hackaday
07:54 TR Bot; And Ultimaker To Merge, Focus On Industry | Hackaday
07:54 TR News; "dedication to bridging the digital divide" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/heres-a-map-of-states-that-had-to-map-u-s-broadband-due-to-federal-corruption-and-incompetence/ | Source: Techdirt
07:54 TR Bot; A Map Of States That Had To Map U.S. Broadband Due To Federal Corruption And Incompetence | Techdirt
07:55 TR News; "warrantless long-term surveillance" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/kansas-federal-court-says-ten-weeks-of-pole-camera-surveillance-isnt-a-constitutional-violation/ | Source: Techdirt
07:55 TR Bot; Federal Court Says Ten Weeks Of Pole Camera Surveillance Isnt A Constitutional Violation | Techdirt
07:56 TR News; People who protest mass surveillance from a "smart" phone are like the people who protest capitalism while sipping $5 cups of coffee at Starbucks (to plan their "actions").
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07:58 TR News; "No matter your project or field of endeavor, simulation is a useful tool for finding out what you dont know." https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/can-you-help-nasa-build-a-mars-sim-in-vr/ | Source: Hackaday
07:58 TR Bot; You Help NASA Build A Mars Sim In VR? | Hackaday
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 19.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 431.73
08:08 TR News; "More than 10 years ago (2010) aboutbsd.net was created for scratching my need for BSD related news" http://aboutbsd.net/?page_id=26661 |
08:08 TR Bot; All Good Things Must Come to An End | Blogging All About BSD
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08:10 TR News; "Spring. Flowers. Hay fever. Linux distros aplenty." https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-jammy.html | Source: Dedoimedo
08:10 TR Bot; Kubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish review - Okay, not LTS-y enough
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08:11 TR News; "For YouTuber Jroobi, merely walking up to his front door, inserting a key into the lock and turning the handle was too simple" https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/11/this-special-front-door-controller-has-several-ways-to-unlock-it/ | Source: Arduino
08:11 TR Bot; This special front door controller can be unlocked in several ways | Arduino Blog
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08:11 TR News; "Well, the new 64MP 'Hawk-Eye' Pi camera takes the same autofocus system and straps it to an ultra-high-res 64 megapixel sensor" https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/64-megapixel-hawk-eye-brings-high-res-imaging-pi | Source: Jeff Geerling
08:11 TR Bot; 64 megapixel 'Hawk-Eye' brings high-res imaging to the Pi | Jeff Geerling
08:12 TR News; "This revision supports two alternate footprints for the CAN-FD transceiver to better support component availability and refines the power stage for the DRV8353 gate driver." https://jpieper.com/2022/05/11/moteus-r4-11/ | Source: J Pieper
08:12 TR Bot; moteus r4.11 | A Modicum of Fun
08:12 TR News; "Intel latest processors have new instruction sets (AVX-512) that are quite powerful." https://lemire.me/blog/2022/05/06/fast-bitset-decoding-using-intel-avx-512/ | Source: Daniel Lemire
08:12 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/05/06/fast-bitset-decoding-using-intel-avx-512/ )
08:12 TR News; "At least two readers (Kim Walisch and Jatin Bhateja) pointed out that you could do better if you used the very latest AVX-512 instructions available on Intel processors with the Ice Lake or Tiger Lake microarchitectures." https://lemire.me/blog/2022/05/10/faster-bitset-decoding-using-intel-avx-512/ | Source: Daniel Lemire
08:12 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/05/10/faster-bitset-decoding-using-intel-avx-512/ )
08:12 TR News; "In this article we will describe how we enabled basic telephony support on the Pinephone." https://genodians.org/ssumpf/2022-05-09-telephony |
08:12 TR Bot; Pine fun - Telephony (_Roger, Roger_?)
08:13 TR News; Fedora Media Writer: World-Class LIVE USB Creator [Tutorial] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164793
08:13 TR Bot; Fedora Media Writer: World-Class LIVE USB Creator [Tutorial] | Tux Machines
08:13 TR News; "Having dealt with implementing dark mode myself, my second reaction was: wait, this should be part of the browser!" https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/browser-level-color-scheme-preference/ | Source: Jim Nielsen
08:13 TR Bot; Rationale for a Browser-Level Color Scheme Preference - Jim Nielsens Blog
08:13 TR News; "These colors werent really any safer since theyd be double-quantized on different palettes." https://idiomdrottning.org/link-colors | Source: Idiomdrottning
08:13 TR Bot; Why are links blue and purple?
08:15 TR News; There is a "supply chain" CRISIS IN SOFTWARE!!!! Say companies that work for the NSA. LOL!
08:20 TR News; "Netflix already raised prices earlier this year, and with inflation at a 40-year high" https://variety.com/vip/why-a-password-sharing-crackdown-wont-help-netflix-much-1235264329/ | Source: Variety
08:20 TR Bot; a Password-Sharing Crackdown Won't Help Netflix Much - Variety
08:20 TR News; "rapper wields the controversial technology to transform into Will Smith, Jussie Smollett" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/does-kendrick-lamar-run-afoul-of-copyright-law-by-using-deepfakes-in-the-heart-part-5-1235145596/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
08:20 TR Bot; Deepfakes and Copyright Law in Kendrick Lamars The Heart Part 5? The Hollywood Reporter
08:20 TR News; [Old] "The Right of Publicity concerns itself with the right to control the commercial use of ones identity." https://rightofpublicity.com/brief-history-of-rop |
08:20 TR Bot; Right Of Publicity A Concise History of the Right of Publicity
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08:21 TR News; "In programming, in contrast, we rarely talk about our influences" https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/programming_style_influences.html | Source: Lawrence Tratt
08:21 TR Bot; Laurence Tratt: Programming Style Influences
08:22 TR News; "Why do we need this in the first place? Unfortunately standard AWK doesnt have a way to handle CSV files with quoted fields" https://benhoyt.com/writings/goawk-csv/?m | Source: Ben Hoyt
08:22 TR Bot; Modernizing AWK, a 45-year old language, by adding CSV support
08:22 TR News; [Old] "AWK is a text-processing language with a history spanning more than 40 years." https://lwn.net/Articles/820829/ | Source: LWN
08:22 TR Bot; state of the AWK [LWN.net]
08:22 TR News; "Python packages like pandas have several ways to work with data" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/05/three-packages-that-port-the-tidyverse-to-python/ | Source: Rlang
08:22 TR Bot; packages that port the tidyverse to Python | R-bloggers
08:23 TR News; "In each case the key is the collaboration." https://www.sicpers.info/2022/05/on-interviewing-and-generalist-software-engineers/ | Source: SICP
08:23 TR Bot; On interviewing and generalist software engineers | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programmers
08:23 TR News; "The actual quality of the courses was a bit of a mixed bag." https://sporks.space/2022/05/11/my-experience-at-community-college/ | Source: The Sporks Space
08:23 TR Bot; My experience at community college - the sporks space
08:23 TR News; "Lets talk about a career in tech, but not the usual boring stuff about salary or how to pass the interview process at the place with the most oversized comp packages" https://earthly.dev/blog/line-staff/ | Source: Earthly
08:23 TR Bot; The Other Kind of Staff Software Engineer - Earthly Blog
08:29 TR News; Links 12/05/2022: AlmaLinux OS 8.6 and LibreOffice 7.2.7 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/
08:29 TR Bot; Links 12/05/2022: AlmaLinux OS 8.6 and LibreOffice 7.2.7 | Techrights
08:32 TR News; "Take Bill Gates. Forget all the conspiracy theories about Gates and vaccines it's bizarre that people bother to make up those fairy-tales when the truth is so much worse." https://pluralistic.net/2022/05/11/a-dent-in-the-universe/#eminently-guillotineable | Source: CoryDoctorow
08:32 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 11 May 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
08:33 TR News; Windows TCO: "Finland should brace for Russian cyber attacks" https://yle.fi/news/3-12443701 | Source: YLE
08:33 TR Bot; Finland should brace for Russian cyber attacks, Traficom says | News | Yle Uutiset
08:33 TR News; "QR codes have been in the news recently, and for good reason" https://blog.bithole.dev/discord-qr-phish.html | Source: Adriaan Zhang
08:33 TR Bot; Discord QR Code Phishing
08:36 TR News; "Notwithstanding its exit from the European Union, the British police will remain a member of a Standing Heads of Lawful Interception Units based at Europol." https://digit.site36.net/2022/05/12/encrypted-communication-britain-remains-member-of-eu-interception-group/ | Source: Site36
08:36 TR Bot; Encrypted communication: UK remains member of EU interception group Security Architectures in the EU
08:37 TR News; "The GnuPG command line tool gpg is the most popular implementation of the OpenPGP specification." https://sequoia-pgp.org/blog/2022/05/11/202205-sq-gpg-comparison/ | Source: SequoiaPGP
08:37 TR Bot; Blog - sq feature comparison with gpg
08:37 TR News; "oh wow yeah this looks so clean & stripped down from all the bloated pages out there" https://idiomdrottning.org/better-website | Source: Idiomdrottning
08:37 TR Bot; Better Website
08:37 TR News; "Georgetown has a new report on the highly secretive bulk surveillance activities of ICE in the US: [...]" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/05/ice-is-a-domestic-surveillance-agency.html | Source: Bruce Schneier
08:37 TR Bot; Is a Domestic Surveillance Agency - Schneier on Security
08:37 TR News; "leading the effort to expose and dissever ICEs American dragnet." https://americandragnet.org/ |
08:37 TR Bot; American Dragnet | Data-Driven Deportation in the 21st Century
08:37 TR News; "Thats why this tip comes in hand." [sic] https://afhub.dev/2022/05/10/remove-metadata-from-photos-on-iphone/ | Source: Andre Franca
08:37 TR Bot; Remove metadata from photos on iphone
08:37 TR News; "EU Commissioner Ylva Johannson announced a new law to combat online child sex abuse." https://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2022/05/11/european-commission-prefers-breaking-privacy-to-protecting-kids/ | Source: Light Blue Touchpaper
08:37 TR Bot; European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids | Light Blue Touchpaper
08:39 TR News; Games: Stellaris 3.4, Steam Deck, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164794
08:39 TR Bot; Games: Stellaris 3.4, Steam Deck, and More | Tux Machines
08:42 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, May 12, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/irc-log-120522/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/13/irc-log-120522/
08:42 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, May 12, 2022 | Techrights
08:43 TR News; "Below the fold I look this gift horse in the mouth." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/05/a-blockchain-certificate-of-deposit.html | Source: David Rosenthal
08:43 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: A "Blockchain Certificate of Deposit"
08:57 matey; one of my favourite people on youtube (no i wont say who, because at the moment i dont want to promote, im still evaluating him and i dont want another dt-like disappointment, though on youtube its always a hazard) is dissing hyperbola as impossible and ill-advised
08:58 matey; i actually think his argument is well-intended and theres SOME reason to it
08:58 matey; im not endorsing this argument, im only defending the person making it.
08:58 TR News; "Here is Agrawals memo to employees in its entirety: [...]" https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/12/23068985/twitter-memo-parag-agrawal-firing-execs-hiring-freeze | Source: The Verge
08:58 TR Bot; Heres Twitter CEO Parag Agrawals memo about firing execs and a hiring freeze - The Verge
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 428.80
08:59 TR News; "The paper proposes Nine Pillars of Digital Justice, the first three of which are preconditions, and the the latter are rights." https://rubenerd.com/tnls-nine-pillars-of-digital-justice/ | Source: Ruben Schade
08:59 TR Bot; TNLs Nine Pillars of Digital Justice
08:59 matey; hyperbolabsd is the closest thing under the fsf umbrella that has any chance (> 0) of moving free software forward, rather than backwards or in circles.
08:59 TR News; "If we did that, we'd have to send him back to Germany." https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-10-years-on-why-is-kim-dotcom-still-in-nz/V4EI36PFIYLS7YHYJGLQ73JWHY/ | Source: New Zealand Herald
08:59 TR Bot; The Front Page: 10 years on - Why is Kim Dotcom still in NZ? - NZ Herald
08:59 matey; it deserves a fair shake. unfortunately its sort of a ginger stepchild, caught between two worlds
09:00 matey; openbsd will never support it, because theo (and crew) dont believe in the gpl
09:00 TR News; "Lawyers acting for former Megaupload coders Bram van der Kolk and Mathias Ortmann" https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/megaupload-case-deal-done-now-only-kim-dotcom-facing-extradition-prospect-of-united-states-prison-cell/W666X7JXMDOUYVPVRTWIWEOPNQ/ | Source: New Zealand Herald
09:00 matey; note that theo de raadt makes the BEST arguments against the gpl ive ever heard
09:00 TR Bot; Megaupload case: Deal done, now only Kim Dotcom facing extradition, prospect of United States prison cell - NZ Herald
09:00 TR News; "we have reached an agreement with the New Zealand Government" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/kim-dotcom-ap-new-zealand-megaupload-wellington-b2075299.html | Source: The Independent UK
09:00 TR Bot; 2 make deal, leaving just Kim Dotcom facing US extradition | The Independent
09:00 matey; (im sceptical that he knows what hes talking about)
09:00 TR News; "The deal by former Megaupload officers Mathias Ortmann and Bram van der Kolk" https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/kim-dotcom-faces-u-s-extradition-after-pair-make-deal-1.5896063 | Source: CTV News
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09:01 TR News; "Following the Russian invasion on February 24, Ukraine's fibre optic or cellular communication infrastructure connections were severed." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/russia-ramping-up-cyber-attacks-against-starlink-musk/91516169 | Source: India Times
09:01 matey; my approach to the gpl is scientific. we need more data. if people want to use gpl im NOT against it.
09:01 TR Bot; starlink: Russia ramping up cyber attacks against Starlink: Musk, CIO News, ET CIO
09:01 matey; ive used it. i prefer 3 to 2.
09:01 TR News; "I need to believe that the world isnt full of people eager to create more pain for a bereaved parent" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/11/opinion/vaccines-antivaxxers-pregnancy.html | Source: New York Times
09:01 TR Bot; Opinion | I Lost My Baby. Then Antivaxxers Made My Pain Go Viral. - The New York Times
09:01 matey; unlike with linux, stuck at gpl 2, we COULD fork the openbsd kernel and make it gpl 3 or later.
09:01 TR News; "The manual recommends that activists locate C.P.C.s near abortion facilities," https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/12/opinion/crisis-pregnancy-centers-roe.html | Source: New York Times
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09:02 matey; some people here are worried about "or later" under a failing fsf regime. theres reason in that argument as well.
09:02 matey; i dont conflate reason with realism, or a good argument with a sound conclusion.
09:02 TR News; "The House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis has found that major U.S. meat processors made baseless claims about meat shortages in order to convince the Trump administration to issue an executive order to keep plants operating as Covid-19 was ravaging the nation in the spring of 2020." https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-administration-meat-producers-covid-19-1352405/ | Source: Rolling Sto
09:02 TR Bot; Meat Producers, Trump Admin. Lied about Shortages to Keep Plants Open - Rolling Stone
09:02 matey; i dont think we have the answers to these questions yet-- but most people act like these are solved problems
09:02 matey; the matter of permissive vs copyleft is NOT solved yet-- we DONT have a winner
09:03 matey; i think its going to be years (minimum) before we honestly know which one is REALLY better
09:03 matey; i think if we start with a healthy fsf, the gpl is probably the best bet-- 3 or later
09:03 matey; without a healthy fsf, i dont think we have enough data yet.
09:03 TR News; "Today, the European Commission presented publicly for the first time an EU draft law on mandatory chat control." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-bill-fundamental-rights-terrorism-against-trust-self-determination-and-security-on-the-internet/ | Source: Patrick Breyer
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09:03 TR News; "E-reader apps havent replaced printed books, which schools and libraries often still buy because they own the paper versions, whereas e-books are licensed from publishers for a set period of time." https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/library-apps-book-ban-schools-conservative-parents-rcna26103 | Source: NBC
09:03 TR Bot; Book ban efforts by conservative parents take aim at library apps
09:04 matey; that doesnt mean everyone should just switch to permissive.
09:04 matey; the best arguments FOR the gpl come not from the fsf, actually, but from the original makers of x11.
09:04 matey; people should be more familiar with this debate. its not in any way one-sided
09:05 TR News; Politicians: we need to spy on everything on the Web and social control media to stop terrorists. As if terrorists coordinate terror attacks in Twitter "private messages...."
09:05 matey; note that this sort of rant started about hyperbolabsd. thats important context
09:05 matey; with no support from openbsd, and no support (only technical approval) from the fsf
09:06 matey; hyperbolabsd deserves its day in the court of public opinion, WITHOUT the obvious biases from theo or even rms.
09:06 matey; a fair trial, so to speak
09:06 matey; it hasnt had that yet
09:07 matey; and yet its the best opportunity, for a fork of openbsd that is more free and even more friendly
09:07 matey; a better os than gnu/penguinshit.
09:07 matey; but its never easy to say that in the early days-- like when gnu first chose an impossible kernel (it is)
09:08 matey; and then got saddled with the kanye west of kernels, which would lead to the destruction of the project
09:08 matey; if you want gnu to survive, in some form,
09:08 matey; hyperbola COULD be the best (at least the most obvious) route away from the destruction and towards something useful
09:08 matey; but like gnu itself, originally
09:08 matey; the best things are a long shot
09:08 matey; a moonshot.
09:08 matey; if youre looking for a userfriendly way to get to the moon
09:09 matey; in the late 1960s, no less
09:09 matey; youre fucked, sorry.
09:09 matey; grand goals require grand efforts.
09:09 matey; if youre content with mediocrity and fatal compromise, theres "always" gnu/linux
09:09 matey; a microsoft joint. have fun with that.
09:10 matey; otherwise, theres a frontier ahead.
09:10 matey; its not cozy, its not (always) comfortable
09:10 matey; though it is seriously a (major) relief to get away from ALL THAT BULLSHIT with gnu/penguinshit
09:10 matey; which was fucking awful.
09:10 matey; note that my own associates (whom i believe in, long term)
09:11 matey; do not rely on hyperbolabsd or even openbsd to succeed.
09:11 matey; it doesnt hinge on that.
09:11 matey; and yet, i think right now, openbsd is one avenue that provides a route BACK towards users controlling their computing
09:12 matey; if you want to be pure about it-- all you have to do is NOT USE NON-FREE FIRMWARE
09:12 matey; then, leah (and many others, including de raadt) will tell you not to worry SO MUCH about non-free firmware either
09:12 matey; its a very nuanced and sometimes complicated argument
09:13 matey; because shunning non-free firmware arguably JUST ISNT working as a road to MORE freedom
09:13 matey; with drivers, openbsd has no non-free drivers. none.
09:13 matey; they dont want to write and rewrite firmware, and theyre only one project. one os. not a movement.
09:14 matey; the fsf policy on firmware is putting people on old hardware, in a way that isnt nearly as true for free drivers.
09:14 matey; id much rather be a purist about it. thats EXACTLY why hyperbolabsd should get more attention.
09:15 matey; theyre the ones standing for no non-free firmware in a real os.
09:15 matey; as someone who would much rather be a purist about it...
09:16 matey; when all the people who understand hardware and that side of things are saying-- even people who are worthy of better awards than the free software award
09:16 matey; this wont work
09:16 matey; we should hear them out
09:17 matey; i dont even LIKE what im hearing
09:17 matey; i dont LIKE global warming
09:18 matey; id prefer that we could just keep flushing the planet down the toilet and you know, it would be just fine
09:18 matey; that would be nice
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09:18 matey; id prefer that we could just source an endless supply of nazi laptops from 2008 and use those for fsdg compliance, you know
09:18 matey; and put hyperbola on them, and be totally fucking free
09:18 matey; IF IT WORKS
09:19 matey; i dont believe that if a movement fails at something
09:19 matey; and it REALLY DOES
09:19 matey; we should prop it up with marketing and bullshit-- i dont believe in that
09:19 matey; its why i hate the fsf
09:19 matey; theyre lying and bullshitting.
09:19 matey; you know what you get when you lie and bullshit for freedom?
09:20 matey; you get fake freedom. you get non-freedom. you get bullshit freedom.
09:20 matey; thats what we have.
09:20 matey; so if something fails-- and im being specific here, about firmware
09:20 matey; id rather consider someone reasonable but honest
09:20 matey; over someone idealistic (even if theyre MY ideals) but also full of shit.
09:21 matey; the fsf is full of shit.
09:21 matey; free software (of the fully free variety) is what i want
09:21 matey; i want free hardware TOO. not instead.
09:21 matey; how can we get there?
09:21 matey; people who are content to be told, to be lied to, to hear a NICE STORY
09:21 matey; they can go with the fsf.
09:22 matey; with that said-- as a ginger stepchild, hyperbola has less motive to bullshit people
09:22 matey; i havent seen them pushing kool-aid on anyone (unless you consider trying to remove non-free firmware kool-aid. i dont, depending on how you push it)
09:23 matey; so if hyperbola is the only honest part of the fsf left
09:23 matey; and i think it probably is
09:23 matey; and theyre not really part of the fsf
09:23 matey; more like an offshoot project
09:23 matey; an offshoot gnu, even.
09:23 matey; theyre just trying too hard to do too good thing for people to fucking ignore them this way
09:24 matey; unless theyre bullshit-- which i havent seen yet
09:24 TR News; "Ah, this takes me back. I got my first computer back in 1984, and if I wanted to know anything about it I was on my own. Google didn't exist (the public Internet didn't exist at the time). I didn't have anyone I could ask about computer related things" gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/05/12.2
09:24 matey; so really, really, hyperbola needs a fairer shake
09:24 matey; even if it takes them another 5 years to make a simple install iso for hyperbola bsd
09:24 matey; what theyre trying to do is so ideal, it would be worth the wait
09:25 matey; i understand that it might go nowhere
09:25 matey; i think the people there are better than the people making devuan
09:25 TR News; Sane YouTube FPS on FireFox on OpenBSD gemini://gemini.clehaxze.tw/gemlog/2022/05-13-sane-youtube-fps-on-firefox-on-openbsd.gmi
09:25 matey; and devuan is a joke.
09:25 matey; a joke i gave money and equipment to (well, thats more true than not)
09:26 TR News; "The last two years of covid lockdown and stuff was extremely painful and isolating for me and i only just now feel like Im mentally calibrated and getting back on track emotionally" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
09:26 matey; i gave it to one of their developers for a closely (99%) related os project.
09:26 matey; but devuan is still a joke
09:26 matey; its become one
09:26 matey; it became one too quickly
09:26 matey; and hyperbolabsd hasnt, unless you consider it simply too ambitious
09:27 matey; which to be fair (to the critics) is exactly the problem hurd had
09:27 matey; it is a different kind of ambitious though.
09:27 matey; hurd has a templeos-like quality to it
09:27 activelow; which is?
09:27 matey; in that the design is insane, and complicated, and the justification seems a bit pie-in-the-sky
09:28 matey; after all these years i think its mostly tied to x86, but ive heard mitigations, but i dont think they mitigate anything completely
09:28 matey; i think realistically, practically, youre stuck with x86-- a platform that is dying but wont die soon enough
09:29 matey; on top of the fact that its impossible to find people (especially good people) who can bring hurd forward
09:29 matey; so linux took over. oops. really, the fsf should have treated bsd, NOT linux, as an ally
09:30 matey; since they both know what its like to be overshadowed by an absolute cunt from finland.
09:30 activelow; apropos... struggling with termcaps, and vi currently
09:30 matey; linux is a twat of a kernel, and the people who represent it, are only trying to sell apple.
09:30 activelow; decided to ditch Vim, trying elvis... and lurking into nvi now which i scrape from gentoo archive
09:30 matey; for fucks sake
09:30 matey; this is the hill the fsf wants to, will, die on
09:31 matey; they want to die for the same bullshit that exploited them and then took them hostage.
09:31 matey; failed software foundation.
09:31 TR News; ONLYOFFICE Docs v7.1 released: ARM compatibility, PDF to DOCX conversion, Print preview in spreadsheets and more Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164796
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09:31 activelow; tbh. i really think gnome isn't, how should i say, something to keep
09:31 matey; hyperbola isnt trying to reinvent the kernel, and is unlike hurd that way
09:32 matey; rather, as the fsf should be doing
09:32 matey; hyperbolas insanity is to simply take something good and useful and try to make it more free
09:32 activelow; and whatever else, gcc, ...
09:32 matey; and free software is so sold out, aimless and upside-down
09:32 matey; it cant appreciate the only people trying to do what the fsf USED to do
09:33 matey; instead, stallman goes on lieplanet 2022b and says "if we had more people"
09:33 matey; if we had more people
09:33 matey; then we could do something
09:33 matey; what does hyperbola say
09:33 matey; even if we dont have more people, we will just keep trying
09:34 matey; free software didnt start with many people
09:34 matey; but it stood for something
09:34 matey; now it stands for nothing, but it has more people
09:34 matey; hyperbola: its not much, but its honest
09:34 matey; fsf: its not honest, but its (still not much)
09:35 matey; its fucking backwards that people give money to have people silence, smear and lie to them.
09:35 matey; they give money to lieplanet-36
09:35 matey; but they wont even give an HONEST EVALUATION of hyperbola
09:35 matey; they dont care
09:35 matey; free software is MOSTLY bullshit at this point
09:35 matey; but, since the alternatives are MORE bullshit
09:35 TR News; All Good Things Must Come to An End | Blogging All About BSD Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164797
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09:36 matey; and free software is a very important cause
09:36 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164798
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09:36 matey; the only REAL hope it has is to look for various efforts that CONTINUE to actually stand for anything
09:36 matey; and support those-- AT LEAST with information, if not money and equipment.
09:36 matey; its literally the least a real movement can do
09:36 matey; instead,
09:37 matey; it contends itself with mediocrity and lies.
09:37 matey; bravo, lieplanet.
09:37 matey; youre fucking frauds.
09:37 matey; but hey
09:37 matey; so are most people these days
09:37 matey; most organisations
09:37 matey; lying to people, so theyll be suckers who spread lies.
09:37 matey; suckers who believe theres nothing better on the horizon
09:38 matey; theres not much, its true
09:38 matey; but id take something better over nothing better ever again.
09:38 matey; instead, we get lieplanet and the fsf?
09:38 matey; that makes no sense. keep looking.
09:38 matey; and if people wont give hyperbola a fair shake
09:38 matey; someone at least, should try harder to see to it that they do.
09:39 matey; at least part of this is hyperbolas fault
09:39 matey; they REALLY REALLY *REALLY* suck at self-promotion
09:39 matey; which is, it should be noted, what they used to say about the fsf
09:39 matey; today, self-promotion is about all the fsf even does
09:39 matey; a typical fate for an old 501c3
09:40 matey; we can do better
09:40 matey; what choice do we have
09:41 matey; on the other side of the argument
09:42 matey; just to be fair (read: honest) to the shorter-long-road-to-free-firmware people
09:42 matey; the ones who dont think "just use an old thinkpad" is a road to a free-firmware future
09:43 matey; their argument isnt only more nuanced
09:43 matey; its also (clearly) more informed
09:43 matey; and they too (like hyperbola
09:43 matey; deserve a fair trial in the court of public opnion (even if the public obviously sucks at this)
09:44 matey; these are solutions to the same problem, coming from opposite methodologies
09:44 activelow; seems nvi editor hasn't got unicode...
09:44 matey; until we have more data
09:44 matey; both deserve better evaluation
09:44 matey; the fsf wont bother
09:45 matey; theyre happy to go in circles until the money stops coming
09:45 matey; theyre going to go back to corporate sponsors
09:45 matey; i mean
09:46 matey; they still shill for corporate bullshit as much as ever before
09:46 matey; if theyre not getting paid for it, thats progress in a sense
09:46 matey; but all the shills they welcome and support
09:46 matey; i mean, hooray for not taking bribes.
09:47 matey; boo for bringing identical results, to the results it would bring if you DID take bribes.
09:47 matey; i dont know what more needs to be said about the fsf for people to have a fucking clue
09:47 matey; maybe you can just hand out cluebats with a diagram of how to use it
09:47 matey; and hope that people find a way to hit themselves with it.
09:48 matey; the truth is, given time
09:48 matey; people will figure this out. but thats too long a wait, to not give it a push.
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09:49 matey; and i guess the librecomputer roc renegade is worth a look
09:50 matey; i swear i had one of those
09:50 matey; i didnt look at it too much
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09:53 leah; matey: in the past, firmware was almost always on a rom/flash on the device
09:54 leah; nowadays, to cut costs, companies do away with that and have firmware be uploaded by the driver
09:54 leah; it saves a few cents per card/device
09:54 leah; that seems small, but at scale we're talking billions
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09:54 leah; not just in terms of hardware cost, but development cost/time
09:55 leah; if the firmware is separate from the hardware, handled by your os instead, that means the company can develop the hardware faster, and fix any bugs in firmware later
09:55 leah; for this reason, i actually think it's better that firmware be handled by your kernel
09:56 leah; and i want that firmware to be there. not including it is technically ignorant in this context, because it ignores the fact that your linux-libre-compatible device just has the same kind of firmware baked in
09:56 leah; firmware-in-linux is a good thing, because:
09:56 leah; 1) it can be RE'd and replaced with libre firmware later
09:56 leah; 2) even without #1, or with #1, you can get updates to fix bugs
09:56 leah; i regard it as superior, and even desirable
09:56 matey; this is what i mean
09:56 matey; its an INFORMED process
09:56 leah; in terms of freedom, it makes zero difference to the old way of doing it
09:57 matey; the fsf for some reason-- cant provide that
09:57 leah; in terms of freedom out of the box, that is
09:57 leah; the fsf's policies were correct 10 years ago
09:57 leah; well
09:57 leah; they were still wrong in theory, but worked in practise
09:57 leah; nowadays, those policies are no longer practical
09:57 matey; this is why we need these debates
09:57 leah; and should be reformed
09:57 matey; not intellectual pissing matches-- i mean debate in the higher sense of the word
09:57 leah; matey: i'm planning a major change to libreboot, on this basis
09:58 leah; i'm going to *scrap* osboot and merge it with libreboot
09:58 matey; id really like to endorse osboot
09:58 matey; i really really would
09:58 leah; and make libreboot have a more debian-like policy
09:58 matey; in some ways, i cant yet.
09:58 matey; but
09:58 matey; what i will do instead
09:58 leah; libreboot will stay as it is right now, for existing supported boards
09:58 matey; is endorse the idea that everyone give it a fair evaluation
09:58 leah; boards where coreboot is all libre, but neutered ME is needed, those will also go in libreboot, in the main branch even
09:58 matey; because thats something i believe it should definitely have
09:58 leah; why? because intel ME firmware isn't part of coreboot. it could just aswell be on another chip
09:59 leah; the flash is partitioned that way
09:59 leah; i regard x230 with osboot as no different freedom-wise to x200 with libreboot
09:59 matey; as much as i hate debian now
09:59 matey; im extremely fond of many of their old policies
09:59 leah; libreboot's policy will evolve to be more like debian
09:59 leah; there is an exception:
09:59 matey; they were part of the reason i loved debian in the first place
09:59 leah; where a board does need blobs in coreboot, those will also be present, but separated
09:59 leah; into another branch
10:00 matey; good
10:00 leah; similar to debian non-free/contrib repo
10:00 leah; so
10:00 leah; as you can see:
10:00 leah; this new policy will be very different from both the current libreboot *and* osboot projects
10:00 leah; it'll be even more nuanced
10:00 leah; more nuanced than current libreboot/osboot policies
10:00 matey; its very freedom 4
10:00 leah; freedom 4?
10:01 leah; fsf defines freedom 0 through 3
10:01 leah; what's 4?
10:01 matey; https://techrights.org/2019/12/10/the-fifth-freedom-as-a-meme/
10:01 TR Bot; The Fifth Freedom as a Meme | Techrights
10:01 matey; something i commissioned (there was no exchange of funds, goods or services)
10:01 matey; i think we need it. i take the 4 freedoms seriously.
10:02 leah; ok
10:02 matey; the 4 freedoms were built on an IMPLICIT fifth freedom
10:02 matey; anyway
10:02 leah; yes, say what you want about the fsf but:
10:02 leah; the four freedoms are paramount
10:02 matey; yes
10:02 matey; without them theres no free software
10:02 leah; they at least get the fsd correct
10:02 leah; free software definition
10:02 leah; i support and adhere to it
10:03 matey; i compared the fsd to the constitution and then sent that comparison to lawrence lessig
10:03 matey; im a fan.
10:03 leah; but the fsd is the only part i'm interested in
10:03 matey; its the best part at least
10:03 leah; ideologically, i'm on the openbsd side of things
10:03 matey; using it right now
10:03 leah; but openbsd doesn't rigorously define what "free software" actually is
10:03 matey; "its only the os gnu COULDVE been"
10:03 leah; they just say: here's the code. everyone can use it. enjoy
10:04 matey; openbsd isnt a movement, its an os.
10:04 leah; right
10:04 matey; we need a movement, openbsd will still be an os.
10:04 matey; thats why they dont care about firmware
10:04 matey; they dont WANT to write firmware
10:04 leah; yes, they limit the scope of their endeavour
10:04 leah; it's very clever of them
10:04 matey; its sane.
10:04 matey; sanity doesnt always get a fair shake
10:05 leah; well, sane isn't the right word
10:05 matey; probably because so few of us experience it on a regular basis
10:05 leah; i would prefer the term "consistent"
10:05 matey; maybe reasonable
10:05 leah; "well defined"
10:05 matey; whatever it is, it makes sense
10:05 matey; for them at least
10:05 leah; the bsd mentality is something you learn by simply using bsd
10:06 matey; what do you think of root bsd
10:06 matey; the guy, the channel
10:06 leah; never heard of it
10:06 matey; fair enough
10:06 leah; anyway, openbsd is very correct
10:06 leah; the way they do things
10:06 matey; have you ever used a librecomputer roc renegade?
10:06 leah; no
10:06 matey; ok
10:07 leah; but that sounds interesting, just from the name
10:07 matey; i may have owned one
10:07 matey; very briefly
10:07 leah; what is it?
10:07 matey; oh its an soc
10:07 matey; im always looking for things that get us closer to free hardware
10:07 matey; i think this is free in the sense of the firmware it runs
10:08 matey; not free like free hardware will be when we really have free hardware
10:08 matey; libre hardware, as you put it
10:08 matey; hp and apple both started literally in a garage
10:08 matey; i think people should think about that when they think of sam zeloof
10:09 matey; this is how you change the world
10:09 matey; (red hat started in a flat in north carolina)
10:09 leah; modern chips are fundamentally the same as what sam produces
10:09 leah; they started from that point
10:09 leah; the companies slowly refined their processes over time
10:10 leah; there is no reason why normal people can't do the same
10:10 matey; its funny how people who work with iterative processes with software CONSTANTLY
10:10 matey; dont understand that EVERYTHING works that way
10:10 matey; evolution, business, science.
10:10 matey; duh!
10:10 leah; exactly
10:10 matey; hardware
10:10 leah; when you look at something that seems complex, it's actually very simple underneath, at a fundamental level
10:10 matey; there seems to be this weird mythology
10:10 leah; human beings can't think in complex ways on a grand scale
10:11 matey; or superstition
10:11 matey; that software invented that sort of process
10:11 matey; it sped it up...
10:11 leah; a program you write that's tens of thousands of lines is probably only doing a few things
10:11 matey; it made it so you could see it in realtime
10:11 matey; but that same kind of thing is everywhere
10:11 matey; but when stallman talks about free culture :/ or free hardware
10:11 matey; hes like
10:11 matey; seriously-- hes like
10:11 leah; what makes something complicated seem scary is that it's unknown
10:11 matey; no, only software can do that
10:12 matey; SOFTWARE IS DIFFERENT!
10:12 matey; its NOT!!!!
10:12 leah; i have advice:
10:12 leah; stop thinking in terms of fsf/rms
10:12 matey; i honestly dont
10:12 leah; your current thought pattern stems from comparing yourself to them
10:12 leah; simply be better
10:12 leah; and define yourself as your own thing
10:12 leah; that's what i've been trying to do
10:12 matey; you dont have to believe me but
10:12 matey; im already there. ive been there, for years.
10:13 matey; what im trying to do is
10:13 matey; help OTHER PEOPLE stuck there
10:13 leah; i do believe you, based on our most recent conversations
10:13 matey; to get to where youre talking about
10:13 leah; you left the matrix
10:13 leah; fsf = matrix
10:13 matey; yeah but
10:13 matey; for me its turning a little bit into the 3rd film
10:13 activelow; ... elvis seems too complicated... digging into nvi now
10:14 matey; i want peace, but never peace without freedom
10:14 matey; and as much as i stood against the lies of open source
10:14 matey; i will stand against open source lies coming from the fsf
10:14 matey; i will even stand against free software lies
10:14 leah; anyway, i will get back to my work
10:14 matey; any kind of lie
10:14 matey; cheers
10:14 activelow; it was wiped from the gentoo tree, in the archives it is still available, although no unicode there isn't iregularities at first glance, such as seen with elvis or busybox-vi
10:15 leah; i have stock purchases, plus several errands to do
10:15 matey; thanks for the update (it was an update of a sort)
10:15 matey; i dont envy your workload. good luck
10:15 leah; there is a purpose to the proposed libreboot/osboot merger
10:15 matey; how would it work
10:15 matey; it sounds impossible
10:15 leah; how would it work?
10:15 matey; or is that what you meant with the non-free repo
10:16 matey; like how debian does it
10:16 leah; yeah, similar to debian
10:16 matey; sorry ive got 2 and 2 and the sum, and im putting them together now
10:16 matey; 2 + 2 = 4, got it
10:16 leah; both lbmk and osbmk (libreboot and osboot repos) will be discontinued
10:16 matey; wow
10:16 leah; the osbmk one will be copied to librebootstrap
10:16 matey; :) thats going to piss off some people
10:16 leah; and then the repo will be called: librebootstrap.git
10:16 leah; matey: yes, it will
10:17 leah; but who?
10:17 matey; when it does, i have a metaphor
10:17 matey; did you see robin hood men in tights?
10:17 leah; who will it piss off
10:17 matey; ever
10:17 matey; silly people.
10:17 matey; it will piss off silly people
10:17 leah; you mean fsf people?
10:17 matey; with any luck
10:17 leah; i've thought of what will happen
10:17 leah; i bet one of them forks libreboot
10:17 matey; "look man, we dont need this bridge"
10:17 leah; but the fork will die, if they fork it with intent to stick to current policy
10:17 matey; "im on one side, im on the other side!"
10:18 leah; because then the fork will only be compatible with hardware you can't buy
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10:18 matey; -- robin hood, men in tights
10:18 matey; "it doesnt matter, its the principle of the thing!"
10:18 leah; you can't feasibly buy anything that libreboot currently supports
10:18 leah; supply dried up
10:18 matey; yeah.
10:18 leah; this is continuity
10:18 matey; i noticed that.
10:18 matey; right!
10:18 leah; accepting reality and doing the best with the current situation
10:18 leah; i call it:
10:18 leah; pragmatism
10:18 matey; ooh i hate that word
10:18 matey; its a weasel word for sure
10:18 leah; what word woul dyou use?
10:19 matey; anything else. even a slur would be better
10:19 matey; but
10:19 matey; what youre actually doing sounds like a reasonable idea
10:19 matey; and im quibbling over the word pragmatism
10:19 matey; i just hate that word
10:19 leah; the main reason i did osboot as a separate project was precisely to test the waters
10:19 matey; open source ruined it
10:19 leah; i wanted to see what people would think of it, without actually doing it
10:19 matey; in fairness, the fsf has used it.
10:19 leah; and i find: osboot is getting popular
10:19 leah; people like it
10:19 matey; because its a good idea.
10:20 matey; and sometimes, given time
10:20 leah; the same kinds of people that liked libreboot, now like osboot
10:20 leah; they see it as a natural evolution
10:20 matey; people actually like good ideas
10:20 leah; i've found that the exact same type of people who go for libreboot, go for osboot
10:20 leah; they see both as essentially the same project
10:20 matey; they will too
10:20 matey; for what its worth, i think its probably inevitable at this point
10:20 leah; i'm confident that 95% of people will be happy/indifferent about the move
10:20 matey; for obvious reasons
10:20 leah; osboot started as an experiment outside of libreboot
10:21 matey; by the way
10:21 leah; i always intended to merge it back
10:21 matey; exactly how dried up is the supply
10:21 leah; i was going to do an osboot back in 2016
10:21 leah; but had to deal with personal stuff for a few years. i got back into dev back in 2020, and started the osboot project
10:22 matey; im making a prediction about the fsf and osboot
10:22 matey; specifically the merge
10:22 leah; what do you predict?
10:22 matey; this is my prediction :) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PDP245bQ6Fk
10:22 TR Bot; Robin Hood: Men in Tights - Bridge Fight - Invidious
10:22 matey; its 1:30
10:22 matey; but priceless
10:23 matey; sorry, i lied. 2:09
10:23 matey; the best part is in the first 20 seconds though
10:23 leah; they won't do a damn thing
10:24 leah; if they do, they lose
10:24 matey; thats what theyre best at at this point
10:24 matey; doing nothing and losing
10:24 matey; it really fucks me off
10:24 leah; any action they take would end up promoting the new initiative
10:24 matey; but
10:24 matey; im used to it too
10:24 leah; so they will do nothing
10:24 matey; yeah
10:24 matey; theyre going to become the fucking silent foundation
10:24 matey; (they already are)
10:24 matey; they cant talk about any effort to pull their sorry arses out of the quagmire
10:24 leah; now, tell me
10:24 matey; thats what theyve painted themselves into
10:25 leah; what do you think happens to ryf libreboot sellers?
10:25 matey; do not care
10:25 matey; but why do you ask
10:25 leah; me neither. but it's amusing to think about
10:25 leah; post-merge i mean
10:25 matey; lol
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10:25 leah; they'll be in a very awkward position
10:25 matey; wait
10:25 matey; someone
10:25 matey; someone
10:25 matey; might fork
10:25 matey; i dont think they will
10:26 matey; libreosboot :)
10:26 matey; no, that
10:26 leah; they will
10:26 leah; and it will fail
10:26 matey; hey! did you notice the linux kernel violates the fsdg?
10:26 matey; i mean linux-libre does
10:26 leah; did i notice?
10:26 leah; no, i didn't notice that
10:26 matey; linux-libre violates the fsdg
10:26 leah; how does it violate fsdg?
10:26 matey; well, i mean if you remake a distro right
10:26 matey; to make it fsdg
10:26 matey; you cant refer to the original distro
10:26 matey; you cant call it libredebian for example
10:27 leah; meh
10:27 matey; or librearch
10:27 matey; but linux-libre gets a free pass
10:27 matey; its sheer exceptionalism
10:27 leah; i'm meh'ing the fuck out of that
10:27 matey; well i mean
10:27 matey; its angels dancing on the head of a pin talk
10:27 matey; its just for fun
10:27 matey; it means very little
10:28 matey; it wont ever be a scandal because when all reasonable options have been exausted
10:28 matey; theres nothing left but arbitrary exceptions
10:28 leah; it's a cult of people using computers that regularly kernel panic, do not have 3D acceleration and do not have functioning wifi
10:28 matey; but worse than that
10:29 matey; they still suck off the same corporations they allegedly stand against the corruption of
10:29 leah; they'll all hypocrites, every last one of them
10:29 matey; "we dont hate microsoft, only the corrupted parts!"
10:29 leah; every single one of them
10:29 matey; "so, only 99.999% of it"
10:29 leah; they do nothing to progress the movement
10:29 leah; nothing at all
10:29 matey; they'll all hypocrites <- this is what im getting at
10:29 leah; while actively discouraging others
10:29 matey; i mean
10:29 matey; in the end, so is every last person but
10:29 leah; i'm gonna get back to my work
10:29 leah; we've had this conversation already
10:29 matey; some people are known for integrity
10:29 matey; yeah
10:29 matey; cheers
10:30 leah; everyone knows the fsf sucks
10:30 matey; but theyre still afraid to say it
10:30 matey; it will make them bad people...
10:30 matey; theyll have to leave the temple and enter the world again :|
10:31 matey; the big bad world full of non-freedom
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10:31 matey; non-freedom lurking on every corner
10:31 matey; and the only way they know to fight is JOIN US TODAY!
10:31 matey; so we can teach you to be dependent on exceptionalism
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10:32 matey; better that we teach people how to delete non-free software
10:32 matey; and make it easier to do so
10:32 matey; than to set up temples where it is done by priests
10:33 matey; only because theyve failed
10:33 matey; i mean its probably better in terms of education too
10:33 matey; but either way, the new fsf sucks at it
10:33 matey; "here, eat your github, its good for you"
10:34 matey; "but i dont want" "shut up, there are kids mining coltan in third world countries! EAT YOUR GITHUB!"
10:34 matey; "its got a free license! shut up and eat it"
10:35 leah; fsf left the temple
10:35 leah; we're all still in it
10:36 activelow; assume, i wanted to use elvis or nvi instead of vim, for one or another reason... unicode...
10:36 matey; i really think the cult is corporate, and the fsf moved their temple into that
10:36 leah; look at fsf.org on the wayback machine from 90s and early 2000s
10:36 matey; i do
10:36 matey; even recently
10:36 leah; you'll see they were more pragmatic and reasonable in the past
10:36 activelow; the reasoning ... elvis editor was stable for a decade or two... then unicode came along
10:36 matey; well they had less paint to corner themselves with
10:36 leah; that's the fsf i support
10:36 leah; it no longer exists
10:37 leah; and never will
10:37 matey; give it time, theyll paint everything in the world except the corners
10:37 activelow; similar situation, with gnome/gtk/harfbuzz
10:37 activelow; awesome
10:37 matey; but theyve nearly run out of paint too
10:37 matey; <leah> it no longer exist <- this is whats beautiful about history
10:37 matey; its like recipe
10:37 matey; the cookies are gone
10:37 matey; we can make more!
10:37 leah; god damnit
10:37 leah; now i want cookies
10:38 matey; sorry
10:38 leah; it's ok
10:38 leah; i'll buy some later from the bakery
10:40 leah; i don't dare make them
10:40 leah; because i'll make many
10:40 leah; and eat them all in a day
10:40 leah; i don't trust myself to exercise restraint
10:40 matey; you could just put fewer on the pan
10:40 leah; plus i always end up eating the cookie dough, like half of it, before it even enters the oven
10:40 matey; the sheet rather
10:41 matey; plus i always end up eating the cookie dough <- you could make less dough too
10:41 leah; doesn't work like that
10:41 matey; yeah i know :)
10:41 leah; not with me
10:41 matey; not with anyone
10:41 leah; i will eat it all
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10:41 matey; eat all the things!
10:41 leah; and not just the dough. but the chocolate too
10:42 matey; yeah thats what i do for chocolate really
10:42 matey; i buy chips
10:42 leah; chips are worse
10:42 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164800
10:42 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
10:42 matey; what do you recommend
10:42 leah; you could literally murder me by handing me too many crisps
10:42 leah; because i'll eat them all
10:42 leah; and suffer a stroke
10:42 matey; oh no i meant chocolate chips
10:42 leah; no idea
10:42 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164801
10:42 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
10:42 TR News; Devices and Open Hardware leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164802
10:42 TR Bot; Devices and Open Hardware leftovers | Tux Machines
10:42 matey; what do you call the things you put in cookies?
10:43 leah; chocolate chips?
10:43 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164803
10:43 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
10:43 matey; yes
10:43 matey; ok, same page now
10:43 leah; oh sorry i thought you were talking about potato chips
10:43 leah; which i call crisps
10:43 matey; tayto = best ones
10:43 matey; cheese and onion
10:43 leah; is that a brand?
10:43 leah; never seen it before
10:44 matey; big in northern ireland
10:44 leah; i'm scanning the supermarket shelves in my head and i don't see it
10:44 leah; must just be an irish thing
10:44 matey; may have invented the first flavoured crisps
10:44 matey; i guarantee mjgs had them
10:44 leah; makes sense
10:44 leah; irish people and potatoes
10:44 leah; makes sense they'd have better crisps too
10:44 matey; yeah but-- in fairness to the rest of the uk
10:45 matey; i had some really good ones that were steak flavoured
10:45 matey; and those were british (but not from any part of ireland/ni)
10:45 SomeH4x0r; schestowitz: https://techrights.org/home 500 Internal Server Error
10:45 TR Bot; ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/home )
10:45 leah; anyway
10:45 SomeH4x0r; I now go afk
10:45 leah; work to do!
10:45 leah; thanks for the chat
10:45 matey; cheers
10:46 matey; SomeH4x0r: http://techrights.org/index/ is loading
10:46 TR Bot; Welcome to Techrights
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11:00 TR News; Public Knowledge Applauds Bill Creating Digital Regulator To Rein In Big Tech https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-applauds-bill-creating-digital-regulator-to-rein-in-big-tech/
11:00 TR Bot; Public Knowledge Applauds Bill Creating Digital Regulator To Rein In Big Tech - Public Knowledge
11:01 TR News; Shiva Stella uses Microsoft lobbyists' term, "Big Tech", distracting from Microsoft's crimes. Well, Stella's "Public Knowledge" added a Microsofter to the Board. Maybe that's why...
11:07 schestowitz; SomeH4x0r: I think we had a load spike at that moment
11:08 schestowitz; let me know if it happens again
11:14 matey; grapheneos uses openbsd malloc
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11:28 SomeH4x0r; schestowitz: still doesn't work
11:32 SomeH4x0r; matey: /index/, but not /home
11:32 SomeH4x0r; also, the user I'm telling about techrights, did ask why no onion service
11:36 matey; [A[Aroy doesnt seem big on tor... i dont want to spread any bs about this, he doesnt seem entirely against it either
11:37 SomeH4x0r; you can come to UplinkIRC for now, I'm telling about techrights to a user there
11:37 SomeH4x0r; unless they went afk
11:38 matey; im here
11:38 matey; im not really interested in channel hopping
11:39 matey; all this effort rarely results in so much as a single conversation, though barto and i did talk at least once
11:40 SomeH4x0r; I don't know what happened to barto. Probably memory issues.
11:40 matey; drug-related?
11:40 SomeH4x0r; no. It is a common pattern I see on UplinkIRC among newcomers.
11:40 SomeH4x0r; They sometimes even promise to stay, but leave soon regardless
11:41 matey; yeah, its honestly a waste of time to teach people who have that sort of attention span
11:41 matey; i mean im not against it
11:41 matey; if it happens, thats great
11:41 matey; but its a lot of effort with very little return
11:41 matey; also, i think theres a mismatch (obviously)
11:41 matey; between their level of interest
11:41 matey; and anything we can offer them
11:42 matey; if they have a question, cool
11:42 SomeH4x0r; they come from Steam+Windows most of the time
11:42 matey; right
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11:42 SomeH4x0r; I assume they are brainwashed by Discord too, but there is no direct evidence to say
11:42 matey; so if they have a question, it can sometimes be answered
11:42 matey; a lot of the time though...
11:42 matey; i mean most questions dont even have useful answers
11:42 matey; if youre just casually exploring from windows+steam
11:42 matey; you have to try stuff.
11:43 matey; i tell people the best way to get familiar with any free softwar
11:43 matey; because it really is
11:43 SomeH4x0r; Uplink game has a built-in IRC client. As this page [https://web.archive.org/web/20090913002159/http://www.multiwinia-ladder.net/flamebot.php] says, many don't even realize the purpose of it.
11:43 TR Bot; Flamebot
11:43 matey; yeah ive seen the built in client from the walkthrough of the game
11:43 matey; ive never played it-- but ive seen it
11:44 matey; ive seen like half the game
11:44 SomeH4x0r; there are some screenshots on mobygames, but behind clownflare
11:44 matey; ive seen the beginning, the middle, the ending (two endings)
11:44 matey; ive seen pretty much all there is to see in the game
11:45 SomeH4x0r; Skywave did play it too
11:46 matey; i think hes kind of a dick
11:46 matey; but thats what happens when you talk about politics online
11:47 matey; i do too, im sure MANY people think im a dick
11:47 matey; but im anti-authoritarian (after a fashion) and he seems pro-authoritarian
11:47 SomeH4x0r; I did recently trigger some people when CP appeared, and the channel went mad, and my opinion was that censorship is not acceptable no matter what files are sent
11:47 SomeH4x0r; (the links were sent by another users)
11:48 SomeH4x0r; *user
11:48 matey; I did recently trigger some people when CP appeared <- jesus christ im glad i avoid that channel
11:48 SomeH4x0r; they did set a ban and I didn't bother evading it
11:48 matey; i dont understand, if youre banned how are you there now
11:49 SomeH4x0r; they did set a ban after I did talk that censorship is not ok
11:49 matey; same question
11:49 SomeH4x0r; iirc they didn't ban the user who sent the links, but it was probably a webchat
11:50 matey; how are you there now
11:50 SomeH4x0r; it was on another network I did connect to recently
11:50 matey; oh okay
11:52 bnchs; SomeH4x0r, CP bomb?
11:52 SomeH4x0r; what is it?
11:52 bnchs; i mean what happened
11:52 bnchs; did someone send CP?
11:52 SomeH4x0r; yes, or at least someone else assumed it was
11:53 bnchs; awful
11:54 SomeH4x0r; an issue here is that if we can criminalize/immoralize some kinds of *files*, there is no reason why other kinds of files can't be criminalized/immoralized as well.
11:55 SomeH4x0r; so we either allow *everything*, or put up with filesharing being destroyed by governments agents infiltrating our communities
11:57 Skywave; communities can have rules about what they want to do and what information they want to move around their areas. that is fine.
11:58 matey; the devils in the details
11:58 matey; for both sides of the argument
12:00 SomeH4x0r; now I'm thinking of bringing this topic to other places to see how many communities are free speech-hostile
12:01 SomeH4x0r; I assume discussing CP can't bring anyone to legal trouble?
12:01 matey; maybe ask a lawyer
12:02 SomeH4x0r; an issue here is that there are people from different jurisdictions, and there might be countries where it is illegal
12:02 matey; indeed
12:02 matey; right now in russia its illegal to criticise the government
12:02 matey; or at least you can go to jail for it
12:03 matey; which sounds a lot like being illegal
12:03 matey; but if every rule is made up on the spot, youre not talking about legal or illegal, just trends
12:05 matey; but in most places its legal to criticise russia
12:07 SomeH4x0r; I also do hate these SJW trends. They generally find some bad thing and start worldwide harassment campaigns. BLM, now Ukraine. Perhaps GamerGate in the past, but I perhaps wasn't around when it happened.
12:08 SomeH4x0r; I'm not sure if COVID-19 actions belong there. There was/is some harassment against those who disobey the measures.
12:09 SomeH4x0r; there may or may not be lasting damage. There was from BLM. The stupid changes to names will persist.
12:09 SomeH4x0r; e.g. master -> main
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12:10 SomeH4x0r; *BLM in the past, now Ukraine
12:10 matey; even the people who pushed master -> main still use the word master in various contexts
12:10 matey; its sheer hypocrisy
12:10 matey; "i can tell you what to do but you can tell me shit"
12:14 SomeH4x0r; also the mental health damage will last. I will now always know large amounts o people are stupid.
12:14 SomeH4x0r; *of people
12:15 matey; I will now always know large amounts o people are stupid. <- thats not a mental health issue. thats simply awareness.
12:16 SomeH4x0r; "awareness" is not always true, because there are controlled opposition projects as a trap
12:16 matey; but being aware of how things really are is not a mental health issue
12:16 matey; if anything, its one of the closest things we have to a definition of sanity
12:17 matey; though i dont think its entirely fair, as one can still have an active imagination and still be sane, i think
12:17 matey; but then you can have an active imagination and still be reasonably aware of how things actually are
12:18 SomeH4x0r; like Mozilla being about fake privacy
12:18 matey; indeed
12:18 matey; mozilla is a fucking joke
12:19 SomeH4x0r; someone did mention here about EFF using its former reputation to do shit. It is the same for the others big privacy companies.
12:19 matey; eff sucks too
12:19 matey; organisations sell out
12:20 matey; when that happens, you have to decide whether to put your faith in people, or corrupt institutions
12:20 matey; people suck, but theyre not all bad
12:21 matey; an institution is a tool
12:21 matey; its an amplifier
12:21 matey; when it stops amplifying good and favours bullshit, its not useful anymore
12:21 matey; i mean a hammer is a hammer whether you use it to hit nails or hit yourself
12:21 matey; but if you have a hammer that always hits you and another that does what its supposed to
12:22 matey; id say put down the one that keeps hitting you (somehow) and use the other one
12:22 matey; with institutions, people are remarkably slow to do this!
12:22 matey; they just keep hitting themselves.
12:29 activelow; this is how i'll do it: keep busybox vi (flawed unicode pre-init emergyncy shell), keep nvi (unicode handling ok, limited use while working as root), and vim for regular programming
12:30 activelow; if unicode didn't nuke elvis i probably would have used only this
12:31 activelow; and makes me wonder, because wikipedia mentions elvis remains the default vi editor there, how they coped with unicode
12:31 activelow; vim is very powerful, what annoys me currently is it's slow startup time (4seconds), probably due to plugins loaded
12:32 activelow; so, i'll debug which plugin(s) it is causing headache
12:33 activelow; the nano emacs clone is noteworthy too, it's binary size is 3x of mg (openbsd emacs clone), mg got no unicode either
12:33 activelow; not sure what to think about emacs, the regular one, seems to be a typical GNU heavyweight
12:38 activelow; vim seems the only editor i am willing to use, didn't learn emacs (except for the minimal basics with mg)
12:39 activelow; the confusion and incompatibilities among vi clones is bad enough, didn't arrive at neovim, probably never will
12:40 activelow; with emacs on top, that's dozens of keystrokes to memorize, commands, options... got other things to do
12:41 activelow; the copy-buffer handling with dvtm+vim is practical, together with the concept of master and stacking area
12:42 activelow; i only noticed, when i increased the scrollback buffer of dvtm, this used alot of RAM quickly, because this is statically allocated per shell-window
12:44 activelow; another one with vim, which made me consider it's removal... some plugins poisoned the register buffer
12:45 activelow; and when pasting this could flood gibberish... which too could be dangerous ... i'll not use vim as root anymore
12:45 activelow; nvi or mg must suffice as an editor for root
12:47 activelow; noted on todo, patch Vim to check for uid==0 _before_ it can load any plugin, and exit... instantly
12:48 activelow; i meant to say, minix used elvis as editor, not sure how they cope with unicode then
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13:50 SomeH4x0r; 15:49 < Dave2> lol, techrights. Irrelevant and wrong when it was Boycott Novell, irrelevant and wrong now.
13:56 SomeH4x0r; 15:55 < Dave2> Well, Boycott Novell was pretty stupid because Novell never actually did anything bad and it was a massive conspiracy theory. Thankfully techrights is pretty irrelevant so I don't get exposed to it too much, plus I blocked Schestowitz on Twitter because he was crapping up my searches. He was entirely wrong about the freenode situation, he acted like Trump with his constant assertions
13:56 SomeH4x0r; that were entirely unfounded, he seems to be fine with slurs and/or hate
13:56 SomeH4x0r; 15:55 < Dave2> speech from people who support him but happily mutes people who do not, he doesn't seem to understand that RMS is a fucking liability due to being a creepy fuck who needs to learn how to behave around other people so that they don't feel the need to buy plants for their offices to avoid being harassed by him, but mostly I'm thankful I don't have to pay any attention because, again,
13:56 SomeH4x0r; utterly irrelevant
13:57 SomeH4x0r; 15:57 < Dave2> tbh I'd almost go as far as to class him as being evil, his vocal presence is certainly a net negative on the world
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13:59 SomeH4x0r; matey: ^ do you have anything for me to send back?
14:00 SomeH4x0r; 15:59 < Dave2> He doesn't even have the benefit that Bryan Lunduke has where he at least is funny until you realise he's a fucking prick who picks fights for attention in a way that willfully misrepresents the truth and drives discourse in a shitty way to just make life worse for everyone
14:13 TR News; "While I've still been active with elpher development, my phlog has slipped off the radar a bit. And that's okay! Slow internet and all that." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2022-05-13-A-minute.txt
14:19 TR News; "'Get plugged into education!' with Moodle will be the first project in a series of hackathons part of a joint initiative launched by The United Nations Office of Information and Communications Technology (OICT) and the Directorate-General for Informatics of European Commission (DG DIGIT)." https://blog.opensource.org/join-upcoming-hackathon-get-plugged-into-education-with-moodle/
14:19 TR Bot; Join upcoming hackathon Get plugged into education! with Moodle
14:20 TR News; Or just disable the darn thing and trust yourself, neither your key nor Microsoft https://mivehind.net/2022/05/12/secureboot-signing-with-your-own-key/
14:20 TR Bot; Secureboot Signing With Your Own Key
14:22 TR News; I've begun skipping ANY howtos that q43 AWS-specific. AWS is proprietary software and vendor lock-in. No point arguing about this; I know that too well from my nighttime job. FUCK AWS.
14:24 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: what is the source of that? I guess some IRC channel
14:24 schestowitz-TR; dave is wrong on many levels
14:24 schestowitz-TR; do you want me to respond?
14:24 SomeH4x0r; UplinkIRC
14:24 schestowitz-TR; I will respond
14:24 SomeH4x0r; irc.uplinkcorp.net/+6000 (/6667) #uplink
14:24 schestowitz-TR; [13:50] <SomeH4x0r> 15:49 < Dave2> lol, techrights. Irrelevant and wrong when it was Boycott Novell, irrelevant and wrong now.
14:24 schestowitz-TR; funny that
14:25 schestowitz-TR; some prominent developers attribute to demise of Novell to us
14:25 schestowitz-TR; because we led a good campaign for years
14:25 SomeH4x0r; the channel is full of normies. I don't know about the regulars, but there are players coming all the time, from Windows+Steam
14:25 schestowitz-TR; [13:56] <SomeH4x0r> 15:55 < Dave2> Well, Boycott Novell was pretty stupid because Novell never actually did anything bad and it was a massive conspiracy theory.
14:25 schestowitz-TR; it was a conspiracy
14:25 schestowitz-TR; Novell conspired with Microsoft
14:25 schestowitz-TR; against Red Hat and everyone else
14:25 schestowitz-TR; and it failed
14:26 schestowitz-TR; they conspired using patents
14:26 schestowitz-TR; and people reacted
14:26 SomeH4x0r; is there some logs link I can send?
14:26 SomeH4x0r; for #techrights
14:26 schestowitz-TR; if he thinks a patent collusion and attack on copyleft, ODF etc. is "did anything bad" then tell him Microsoft is hiring.. oh, wait... it doesn't. it's firing its own workers, and it gets bailed out by Trump and Biden.
14:27 schestowitz-TR; >>> plus I blocked Schestowitz on Twitter
14:27 schestowitz-TR; LOL
14:27 schestowitz-TR; What sane person uses Twitter?
14:27 schestowitz-TR; I've not used it in years firsthand
14:27 schestowitz-TR; and I quit even sending copies to it, before MusKSA bought the failing thing
14:28 schestowitz-TR; which has been losing both money and users
14:28 schestowitz-TR; they buy yesterdayyear's thing
14:28 schestowitz-TR; trying to redirect anger towards their political "enemies"
14:28 schestowitz-TR; and shore up their scams
14:28 schestowitz-TR; >> RMS is a fucking liability due to being a creepy fuck
14:29 schestowitz-TR; what is "creepy fuck"
14:29 schestowitz-TR; be specific
14:29 schestowitz-TR; writing an email ABOUT Esptein is not "creepy fuck"
14:29 schestowitz-TR; Enabling epstein, like bill gates, makes one worse than ""creepy fuck""
14:29 schestowitz-TR; and a partner in crime
14:30 schestowitz-TR; >> benefit that Bryan Lunduke
14:30 schestowitz-TR; we are NO friends of Bryan Lunduke
14:30 schestowitz-TR; Bryan Lunduke comes from Microsoft
14:30 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/lunduke-concern-trolling-again/
14:30 TR Bot; Bryan Lunduke is Still 100% Trolling With His Facts-Free Provocation Masterpiece Called Linux Sucks | Techrights
14:31 schestowitz; connecting me to Lunduke and to Trump
14:31 schestowitz; Bingo
14:31 schestowitz; two people I'm against
14:31 schestowitz-TR; schestowitz: yes, but it's the real time log
14:31 schestowitz-TR; in gemini or http/s
14:31 schestowitz; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/index.gmi
14:32 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/irc
14:32 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-status.txt
14:32 schestowitz; they update every 5 mins, latest at bottom
14:32 SomeH4x0r; and for how long do they stay?
14:33 schestowitz-TR; depends on the link
14:33 schestowitz-TR; one resets every 48 hours
14:33 schestowitz-TR; the last one, rsynced from roy@vonick
14:33 schestowitz-TR; the server side is tailed, maybe 2000 lines
14:34 schestowitz-TR; the gemini one is the same but processed for gemtext syntax
14:35 TR News; KDE neon 20220512 is out https://neon.kde.org/ I uses that on my new laptop. Video: http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/state-of-the-art-plasma/
14:35 TR Bot; KDE neon
14:35 TR Bot; Plasma Desktop in Latest KDE Neon (State-of-the-Art Plasma) | Techrights
14:37 bnchs; "NSA ANT catalog | NIGHTSTAND: Portable system that wirelessly installs Microsoft Windows exploits from a distance of up to eight miles."
14:37 bnchs; LOL, this and they say "windows is secure!!"
14:39 schestowitz-TR; says NSA
14:39 schestowitz-TR; Windows is good
14:39 schestowitz-TR; for US national security
14:39 schestowitz-TR; they can remotely access the data of billions of people around the world
14:39 bnchs; windows is good
14:39 schestowitz-TR; like egypt
14:39 schestowitz-TR; with its dick police
14:39 bnchs; so that they can install exploits up to 8 miles
14:40 schestowitz-TR; checking where citizens place their penis
14:40 bnchs; "gay people detected in 8 miles"
14:40 bnchs; "gay detector"
14:41 schestowitz-TR; Gaydar(R)
14:41 schestowitz-TR; Islam faces an existential crisis
14:41 schestowitz-TR; guys put their thing in other guys
14:41 schestowitz-TR; Islam implodes
14:42 bnchs; i imagine the gaydar to be a metal detector
14:42 bnchs; *beep beep beep*
14:42 schestowitz-TR; there are teleevenglaists in the USA
14:42 schestowitz-TR; they can 'cure' people
14:42 schestowitz-TR; by 'subtle' torture
14:43 schestowitz-TR; totally state-sanctioned
14:43 TR News; 20 Best Linux PDF Editors: Edit Pdf Files on Your Linux System Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164804
14:43 TR Bot; 20 Best Linux PDF Editors: Edit Pdf Files on Your Linux System | Tux Machines
14:43 schestowitz-TR; egypt has no agra crisis
14:43 bnchs; "wtf you can't have sex with other people your gender, get beheaded!"
14:43 schestowitz-TR; opr water crisis
14:43 schestowitz-TR; if they do, blame the gays
14:43 bnchs; "wtf you can't have sex without getting married, get beheaded!"
14:44 bnchs; they imprison you for having sex without marriage
14:45 TR News; AlmaLinux 8.6 "Sky Tiger" Released, Added New Module Stream http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164781#comment-33649
14:45 TR Bot; CentOS Alternative AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download, Based on RHEL 8.6 | Tux Machines
14:45 schestowitz-TR; in egypt?
14:45 schestowitz-TR; maybe in ksa
14:45 schestowitz-TR; in indonesia it's public lashing
14:45 schestowitz-TR; due to ksa influence there
14:45 schestowitz-TR; buying them mosques and stuff
14:45 schestowitz-TR; the wahabi stuff
14:46 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164805
14:46 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
14:47 schestowitz-TR; the rich love using clergy to distract from the important issues
14:47 schestowitz-TR; they keep on hating not the robbers
14:47 bnchs; they don't in egypt
14:47 schestowitz-TR; but the people who are subtly different
14:47 schestowitz-TR; like christian indonesians
14:47 schestowitz-TR; who are basically the same
14:47 schestowitz-TR; they just pray to a different name
14:48 schestowitz-TR; in some case banning sex before marriage leads to rape
14:48 schestowitz-TR; like literal rape
14:48 schestowitz-TR; sex-starved people do all sorts of crazy things
14:48 schestowitz-TR; because the girls would not sleep with them
14:48 schestowitz-TR; fear of the patents and state
14:48 bnchs; but in morocco, iraq, and saudi arabia,
14:49 bnchs; they ban sex before marriage
14:49 schestowitz-TR; so all they can do is (sorry for language) "get off" or rape someone
14:49 bnchs; as illegal as homosexuality
14:49 schestowitz-TR; so to have "real" sex you must be married to a woman or rape one
14:49 schestowitz-TR; that's not good for women
14:50 schestowitz-TR; like bans on some drugs
14:50 schestowitz-TR; people just find them and do them illegally
14:50 schestowitz-TR; or make their own
14:50 schestowitz-TR; self-brewed can be toxic
14:50 schestowitz-TR; if you don't know what you are doing
14:50 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, marrakech wouldn't the captial of prostitution
14:51 TR News; AlmaLinux 8.6 "Sky Tiger" Released, Added New Module Streams http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164781#comment-33649
14:51 TR Bot; CentOS Alternative AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download, Based on RHEL 8.6 | Tux Machines
14:52 TR News; Multi-clown. We used to call that circus... or servers... or rack... or server farm, or HA (across DCs) https://www.techtarget.com/searchdatabackup/news/252518139/Zerto-95-update-adds-Linux-support-and-multi-cloud-storage
14:52 TR Bot; Zerto 9.5 update adds Linux support and multi-cloud storage
14:53 bnchs; "Much Loved is a 2015 FrenchMoroccan film about the prostitution scene in Marrakesh. The film tells about the lives of four prostitutes and shows their exploitation by pimps and the corruption of the police. "
14:53 bnchs; what did they respond after this?
14:53 TR News; "You still use your server? NOT THE CLOWN???" = "You still make coffee??? NOT STARBUCKS???"
14:53 bnchs; "The film was banned in Morocco for its "contempt for moral values and the Moroccan woman". The leading actress, Loubna Abidar, received death threats and in November 2015, she was violently attacked in Casablanca and left the country for France soon after. Religious authorities condemned the film for portraying a negative image of Morocco, with its supporting of extramarital sex and sympathy for homosexuals."
14:54 schestowitz-TR; insulting the king is insulting god
14:54 schestowitz-TR; and the country is the king
14:54 schestowitz-TR; and the king is a full-time employee of $GOD
14:54 bnchs; they have sympathy for.... HOMOSEXUALS????
14:54 schestowitz-TR; the problem isn't prostitutes
14:54 schestowitz-TR; or rings of pimps
14:54 bnchs; time to attack the actors in public
14:54 schestowitz-TR; the problem is the firm
14:55 schestowitz-TR; *film and its makers
14:55 bnchs; yeah
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14:56 bnchs; prostitution is a problem here
14:56 schestowitz-TR; the kind who watches cabaret and guys with makeup in paris is afraid of gays
14:56 schestowitz-TR; *king
14:57 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: maybe they should permit girlfriends
14:57 schestowitz-TR; then it's consensual
14:57 schestowitz-TR; girls not sleeping because "money" and "pimp said I'd get in trouble for refusing"
14:57 bnchs; lol parents will disown you if they hear you have a girlfriend
14:57 goosestepping_; https://i.ibb.co/5kGxG6q/lol.png
14:57 goosestepping_; lol
14:57 goosestepping_; :-| !!!
14:57 schestowitz-TR; "try before you buy"
14:57 schestowitz-TR; better than parents forcing you to marry someone
14:58 schestowitz-TR; and you cannot turn it down or say nop
14:58 schestowitz-TR; *nope
14:58 schestowitz-TR; maybe the guy can say no
14:58 schestowitz-TR; I doubt the girl can
14:58 bnchs; they do that for money
14:58 schestowitz-TR; to keep is in the family/ies
14:58 schestowitz-TR; but it's a lame excuse
14:58 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/please-refrain-from-barking.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2021/03/but-my-meowing-is-okay/ )
14:59 TR Bot; But my meowing is okay?
14:59 schestowitz-TR; matrimony without love is more likely to end in murder or acid
14:59 schestowitz-TR; or unhealthy abuse, like beating up and mental torture
15:00 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: no DMX allowed then
15:00 schestowitz; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ThlhSnRk21E
15:00 TR Bot; DMX - Ruff Ryders' Anthem - Invidious
15:01 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, "without love" there's obviously never love at all
15:01 bnchs; the marriages end up being unstable
15:01 bnchs; they only married so that they can compare jobs with other wives' husbands
15:01 schestowitz; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Yz15NVfrXZI
15:01 TR Bot; DMX barking - Invidious
15:02 schestowitz-TR; he died some years ago
15:02 schestowitz-TR; very messed up life overall
15:03 schestowitz-TR; his music is good for workouts
15:03 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: let the women work too
15:03 schestowitz-TR; not just have kids
15:04 schestowitz-TR; and they they won't be a prisoner of the husband's salary
15:04 psydruid; https://www.globalresearch.ca/wef-agenda-behind-modi-farm-reform/5737472
15:04 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.globalresearch.ca/wef-agenda-behind-modi-farm-reform/5737472 )
15:04 schestowitz-TR; I know women can work there too
15:04 schestowitz-TR; but few tdo
15:04 schestowitz-TR; *do
15:04 schestowitz-TR; bill 'modi' gates
15:04 schestowitz-TR; the epsteinite candiate
15:04 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, they can work
15:04 bnchs; they're just.. lazy
15:05 schestowitz-TR; maybe it's not in the culture
15:05 schestowitz-TR; many women here work
15:05 schestowitz-TR; and can live independently
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15:08 schestowitz-TR; [14:57] <schestowitz-TR> "try before you buy"
15:08 schestowitz-TR; to be clear, it's about personality
15:08 schestowitz-TR; not sex
15:08 schestowitz-TR; it's good to try to see how you get alogn with a person
15:08 schestowitz-TR; not to let parents do guessing
15:08 TR News; Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Build Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164806
15:08 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Build | Tux Machines
15:09 schestowitz-TR; most people don't marry their first partner
15:09 schestowitz-TR; and although break-up can hurt
15:09 schestowitz-TR; being stuck with a person who was never suitable for you for 40-70 years can be painful for a lifetime
15:12 TR News; Available Fedora 36 with GNOME 42 and Wayland for NVIDIA http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164681#comment-33650
15:12 TR Bot; Fedora Linux 36 Is Here with GNOME 42, Linux Kernel 5.17, and Wayland for NVIDIA Users | Tux Machines
15:14 TR News; "some people follow aspirational instagrams where it's like rich people with nice cars and expensive dinners / vacations. my aspirational lifestyle that i follow on instagram is like micro-celebrity artists and musicians that live in bushwick." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
15:14 TR News; "I respect anyone who has a blog. Substack doesnt count. I am of the archaic opinion that not everything on the internet has to or should be for money" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
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15:23 activelow; digging into vim plugins... regretting every minute i wasted with eclipse ide
15:24 activelow; instead should have invested time into vim... don't know yet, debugger integration
15:24 TR News; "Aside from the scripting refactor, the most exciting part of this as far as I'm concerned is the switch to an asynchronous IO model courtesy of libevent2! I've also updated the URI handling to use proper PCRE, which has cleaned-up that part of the code nicely." gemini://gemini.panda-roux.dev/log/entry/43
15:24 schestowitz-TR; activelow: eclipse is a pig
15:24 schestowitz-TR; I used to use that for android development
15:24 schestowitz-TR; before gulag made its own
15:24 schestowitz-TR; IDEs need to JUSTIFY their ftaness
15:24 schestowitz-TR; they might be OK
15:24 schestowitz-TR; but they have a burden of justifying their existence
15:25 schestowitz-TR; text editor with syntax highlighting
15:25 schestowitz-TR; add compiler
15:25 schestowitz-TR; add debugger
15:25 activelow; the debugger integration with eclipse was ok... until i realized with perl this was troublesome
15:25 schestowitz-TR; and then you already push it
15:25 schestowitz-TR; because some people don't want the debugger
15:25 schestowitz-TR; and some wanr 4 terminal windows with compiler stuff in them
15:25 schestowitz-TR; not one IDE with panes
15:25 activelow; my opinion, vim for c-development with debugging etc. is a must have; eclipse is a nice to have at best
15:26 schestowitz-TR; I usually started with IDEs
15:26 schestowitz-TR; and ended up moving to text editors
15:26 schestowitz-TR; not the other way around
15:26 schestowitz-TR; the IDE is like assistive bucyclle wheels
15:27 schestowitz-TR; once you can ride a bike they are just a nuisnace
15:27 schestowitz-TR; if you don't move, put the feet down
15:27 schestowitz-TR; same for skiing
15:27 activelow; problem with eclipse (and many others, such as matlab/octave, spyder ide), such tools screw thinking
15:27 schestowitz-TR; ides are rigid
15:28 schestowitz-TR; and as get more bloated culstimising them is harder beyond what the gui allows
15:28 schestowitz-TR; and if you want to develop over a network
15:28 activelow; the brain becomes accustomed to it, adapts to it, until the headache becomes intolerable (which it was with eclipse)
15:28 schestowitz-TR; you need a whole GUI sent over a network
15:28 schestowitz-TR; and cannot run in screen/tmux
15:28 schestowitz-TR; so you are confining yourselves to developing not on the target machine/s
15:29 schestowitz-TR; 1990s with slow internet maybe OK
15:29 schestowitz-TR; but now you can manage the file in a text editor over ssh
15:29 schestowitz-TR; and run the program on a remote and powerful machine
15:29 activelow; manager entire projects
15:29 activelow; btw. vim integrates nicely with dvtm
15:29 schestowitz-TR; android is worse
15:30 schestowitz-TR; you usually need to send the program over to a device
15:30 schestowitz-TR; the emulators are not good
15:30 schestowitz-TR; they are not the real device
15:30 schestowitz-TR; the sending of programs across to target device is time wasted
15:31 schestowitz-TR; imagine a raspberry pu
15:31 schestowitz-TR; *pi
15:31 schestowitz-TR; you develop on your desktop
15:31 schestowitz-TR; and then "send" the program to the pi
15:31 schestowitz-TR; instead of just developing directly on the darn thing
15:32 TR News; Security updates for Friday [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/895202/ Source: LWN | Kernel | Linux
15:32 TR Bot; updates for Friday [LWN.net]
15:33 TR News; Richard Speed at El Reg helps Microsoft ATTACK GNU/Linux by shilling the utter unadulterated pile of garbage, WSL (spyware). URL omitted.
15:34 TR News; Ubuntu LoCo Council has lost control of its blog. Almost every day (yes, today also) it has spam submitted as articles, which are later removed. Says a lot about the state of Ubuntu "community" http://techrights.org/2022/05/05/ubuntu-loco-council-crack/
15:34 TR Bot; Ubuntu LoCo Council Gone Loco or Just Cracked | Techrights
15:35 TR News; Ubuntu Core 22 Beta is now available https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-core-22-beta-is-now-available/28339
15:35 TR Bot; Ubuntu Core 22 Beta is now available - IoT - Ubuntu Community Hub
15:36 TR News; Ubuntu trying to be Fedora to appease ICBM? https://git.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/+git/snap-from-source/commit/?id=a4f41b5c065e14e954bc81d2d3e2b0c7fc26fc4d Don't be a slave of Big Blue, be practical
15:36 TR Bot; ~chromium-team/chromium-browser/+git/snap-from-source - [no description]
15:37 MinceR; too late
15:37 schestowitz-TR; for ubuntu, yes
15:37 MinceR; and for canonical
15:37 schestowitz-TR; wayland by default = playing with matches
15:37 bnchs; richard stallman or richard speed
15:37 schestowitz-TR; you are far more likely to break things than solve any real problem
15:38 schestowitz-TR; richard Speed
15:38 schestowitz; https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/wsl_ubuntu_preview/
15:38 TR Bot; Bleeding-edge Ubuntu on Windows Subsystem for Linux The Register
15:38 schestowitz; Windows= BLEEDING EDGE!!!
15:38 schestowitz; EDGE!!!!
15:38 schestowitz; GET EDGE!!!
15:38 bnchs; bleeding edge
15:38 bnchs; it's BLEEDING
15:39 bnchs; it's richard stallman because he stops
15:39 bnchs; richard speed because he's on speed
15:40 TR News; >Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Builds Available for Early Adopters http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164806#comment-33651
15:40 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Build | Tux Machines
15:40 schestowitz-TR; EDGE is bleeding
15:41 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/china-and-edge-of-change-gnu-linux-policies/
15:41 TR Bot; On the Cusp of Widespread Adoption of GNU/Linux in More Countries | Techrights
15:41 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/browsers-by-use/
15:41 TR Bot; In Spite of All the AstroTurfing, Microsoft Edge (Ripoff of Chrome) is Falling Every Month So Far This Year (Along With Windows) | Techrights
15:41 schestowitz; "Based on StatCounter, Microsofts Edge market share fell every month this year. Microsoft Edges share, all versions combined, from January to May: 4.12%, 4.06%, 4.05%, 4.05%, and 4.04%."
15:41 schestowitz; MSIE all over again
15:41 schestowitz; but this time a BILLION BUCKS wasted on marketing
15:41 schestowitz; and shilling even in "Linux" sites
15:41 schestowitz; sites that harmed themselves by participating
15:44 TR News; "Looking at a distribution that is meant for gaming and is made by one the leaders in Linux Gaming industry... Glorious Eggroll. I personally think this distribution will be BETTER than Steam OS on release." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yVEivfbJi1g
15:44 TR Bot; Live - Nobara - Better than Steam OS? - Invidious
15:44 TR News; Steam Hardware Survey for the Deck will change PC gaming FOREVER (plus more Steam Deck news) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_k2oZPks6wM Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
15:44 TR Bot; Steam Hardware Survey for the Deck will change PC gaming FOREVER (plus more Steam Deck news) - Invidious
15:45 SomeH4x0r; I don't care how the gaming will be changed, I ignore newer games
15:45 TR News; "Fedora 36 has been released and instead of looking at the flagship GNOME edition of Fedora, today I'm taking a first look at Fedora 36 i3 Spin." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZdbgDCwCs_w
15:45 TR Bot; A First Look At Fedora 36 i3 Spin (If I Get It Installed) - Invidious
15:45 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: "newer" games = shit to sell more shitty GPUs
15:45 schestowitz-TR; at a time when energy bills soar
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15:47 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, here's this new game
15:48 bnchs; poorly optimized
15:48 bnchs; microtransactions
15:48 bnchs; pay to do anything in the game
15:49 bnchs; any game company microsoft bought they fucking ruined it
15:49 bnchs; minecraft -> paid "mod" marketplace
15:50 schestowitz-TR; why is minecraft even a thing, still?
15:50 schestowitz-TR; 1) it was always ugly
15:50 schestowitz-TR; reminded me of games I played in the early 90s
15:50 schestowitz-TR; it's "lame"
15:50 schestowitz-TR; ^(2)
15:51 schestowitz-TR; (3) I doubt it's profitable at all
15:51 schestowitz-TR; microsoft gets bailed out by trump and biden
15:51 schestowitz-TR; then buys companies (staff)
15:51 bnchs; it was literally just some indie game a swedish guy made
15:51 bnchs; as some opengl java crap
15:51 schestowitz-TR; then uses them (E.g. hololens) to justify more graft/bailout
15:51 schestowitz-TR; in hololes, Microsoft FIRED ALL THE STAFF
15:51 schestowitz-TR; so why on Earth is Biden paying for?
15:51 schestowitz-TR; This is crime
15:51 schestowitz-TR; they should send them to NC
15:52 schestowitz-TR; to the firing squad
15:52 bnchs; similar thing happened with minecraft
15:52 schestowitz-TR; 22,000 MILLION dollars stolen
15:52 schestowitz-TR; to bail out CRIMINALS
15:52 bnchs; notch (the guy who made minecraft) said something bad
15:52 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDbzkJGu8ao
15:52 TR Bot; https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=aDbzkJGu8ao
15:52 bnchs; he was boycotted and shit, and apparently erased from any credits minecraft had
15:52 TR Bot; invidio.xamh.de | Fluffy Chocolate Cake | Gabriel Iglesias - Invidious
15:53 schestowitz-TR; I spoke to a Microsoft employee about the hololens thing
15:53 schestowitz-TR; many were mortified by what Microsoft did to hololens
15:53 schestowitz-TR; just bought it and fired everyone!
15:53 schestowitz-TR; and the media clap clap clap(ed)
15:54 schestowitz-TR; and most of it pretends it's of some value
15:54 schestowitz-TR; marketing gimmick for windows
15:54 bnchs; "He stopped working on Minecraft after a deal with Microsoft to sell Mojang for $2.5 billion"
15:54 schestowitz-TR; now for stealing 20,000 x 1,000,000 dollars from US taxpayers
15:54 bnchs; and afterwards, he was erased from the credits
15:54 schestowitz-TR; microsoft a criminal org
15:54 schestowitz-TR; it should be put on trial
15:54 schestowitz-TR; and executed
15:54 schestowitz-TR; the company should be terminated
15:54 schestowitz-TR; like ISIS
15:55 bnchs; "A March 2019 Minecraft update removed all mentions of Persson from the game's menu, though his name is still in the credits."
15:55 bnchs; "Persson was not invited to the game's tenth anniversary event later that year, with Microsoft saying that his views "do not reflect those of Microsoft or Mojang"."
15:55 bnchs; don't care if you made minecraft
15:55 schestowitz-TR; apropos ISIS, they too like to destroy history
15:55 bnchs; you're not invited
15:56 bnchs; in fact you NEVER made minecraft
15:56 bnchs; bitch
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15:56 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: about Persson
15:56 schestowitz-TR; in a nutshell:
15:56 schestowitz-TR; "well, he's dead"
15:57 bnchs; he tweeted a ton of bullshit
15:57 bnchs; but that doesn't mean you get to erase him from minecraft's history
15:57 TR News; xkcd: Crpe https://xkcd.com/2619 Source: xkcd
15:57 TR Bot; Crpe
15:57 schestowitz-TR; bill gates does tweet a lot of shit :-)
15:57 schestowitz-TR; and gets invited to media he bribes
15:57 schestowitz-TR; PBS
15:57 schestowitz-TR; BillBC
15:58 schestowitz-TR; because sex trafficking for sexual access to kids is OK
15:58 schestowitz-TR; "bill pays us"
15:58 schestowitz-TR; "pinky promise"
15:59 TR News; BillBC meddling for GAFAM abroad https://www.bbc.com/burmese/burma-61412051
15:59 TR Bot; - BBC News
15:59 TR News; Distribution Release: ALT Linux 10.0 https://www.basealt.ru/about/news/archive/view/novaja-versija-os-alt-rabochaja-stancija-k-10-svobodno-integriruetsja-v-ljubuju-it-infrastrukturu-i-usilivaet-ejo-zashchitu
16:00 TR Bot; 10 - | BaseALT
16:00 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: our friend from Vievkow
16:00 schestowitz-TR; he came back to his "homeland"
16:00 schestowitz-TR; mother ship
16:00 schestowitz-TR; to work on the distro of mothership
16:01 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, here's his quotes
16:01 bnchs; https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Markus_Persson
16:01 TR Bot; Markus Persson - Wikiquote
16:01 bnchs; "Mansplaining is a sexist term designed to silence men via gender shaming. "
16:01 TR News; A cyberattack took down one of Russias largest video platforms for days https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/rutube-down-russia-hack-attack-ukraine-rcna28299
16:02 TR Bot; A cyberattack took down Russia's RuTube for three days
16:02 schestowitz-TR; I agree it is not a useful term
16:02 schestowitz-TR; but he plays with fire
16:02 schestowitz-TR; by using "reversism"
16:02 schestowitz-TR; like claiming blacks are racisat
16:02 schestowitz-TR; or women discriminate against men
16:03 schestowitz-TR; it's victim/perpetrator reversal
16:03 bnchs; "It's ok to be white"
16:03 schestowitz-TR; he SAID something insensitive
16:03 bnchs; tbh i see nothing wrong with these quotes
16:03 schestowitz-TR; whereas Microsoft ACTIVELY ATTACKS women
16:04 schestowitz-TR; "It's ok to be white" is a loaded statement
16:04 schestowitz-TR; it implies there is widespread belief whites are nasty
16:04 schestowitz-TR; which is not true
16:05 schestowitz-TR; only a small minority spouts out such rhetoric
16:06 XRevan86; schestowitz: Vievkow?
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16:06 TR News; He's not wrong. Twitter is FAKING its numbers. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/musk_twitter_on_hold/ see https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/
16:06 TR Bot; Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold over bot count The Register
16:06 TR Bot; Twitter is Not as Important as the Media Wants Us to Believe | Techrights
16:06 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: typo
16:07 schestowitz-TR; but can be Vlak-Kyiv-Moscow
16:07 schestowitz-TR; *Vlad
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16:09 psydruid; the Vietcong are going to Moscow
16:10 TR News; KDE Connect Brings iPhone Connectivity to Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164660#comment-33653
16:10 TR Bot; KDE Connect Arrives on iPhone and iPad For Linux Fans | Tux Machines
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16:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 45.36 average k/sec., average swarm size 351.78
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16:12 schestowitz; <GORILLA warfare [sic]
16:12 schestowitz; vlad: bring out the nukes
16:12 schestowitz; nuke them in our streets
16:13 schestowitz; MinceR grabs popcorn, watches the bill in the porcelain shop
16:13 schestowitz; moscow in glass
16:13 schestowitz; *bull
16:13 MinceR; https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta
16:13 TR Bot; Navy Seal Copypasta | Know Your Meme
16:14 schestowitz; Vlad renamed Red Army "Sanders"
16:14 schestowitz; for turning it into glass
16:15 TR News; Videos: Fedora 36, Steam Hardware Survey, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164807
16:15 TR Bot; Videos: Fedora 36, Steam Hardware Survey, and More | Tux Machines
16:15 MinceR; does it have a Colonel Sanders too?
16:16 schestowitz; Vlad Joinery: world leader in GLASS
16:16 schestowitz; MinceR: no, he died
16:16 schestowitz; but they keep a glass monument of him
16:17 MinceR; "Right now, I'd say that Russia is easily the second most powerful army in Ukraine."
16:17 schestowitz; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=teSXcJlpMl8
16:17 TR Bot; Ukraine is weak - Invidious
16:17 schestowitz; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VyNWVdExM24
16:17 TR Bot; Seinfeld - Risk - Invidious
16:21 TR News; Products getting WORSE over time https://www.maketecheasier.com/say-goodbye-ipod-pixel-headphone-jack/
16:21 TR Bot; Say Goodbye to Both the iPod and Pixel Headphone Jack - Make Tech Easier
16:23 TR News; Wireless is a trap | benkuhn.net //www.benkuhn.net/wireless/
16:26 *MinceR sighs, plugs a usb ethernet dongle into his phone, and an ethernet cable into that
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16:27 TR News; Automatically make masking tape labels with this Arduino-powered machine https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/12/automatically-make-masking-tape-labels-with-this-arduino-powered-machine/
16:27 TR Bot; Automatically make masking tape labels with this Arduino-powered machine | Arduino Blog
16:32 bnchs; schestowitz, Notch (Persson) actually supports piracy
16:32 TR News; Thousands call on U.S. FTC to make privacy and civil rights rule on data protection - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/ftc-privacy-civil-rights-rule/ Source: accessnow
16:33 TR Bot; Thousands call on U.S. FTC to make privacy and civil rights rule on data protection - Access Now
16:33 TR News; The EU AI Act: How to (truly) protect people on the move - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/eu-ai-act-migration/ Source: accessnow
16:33 TR Bot; The EU AI Act: How to (truly) protect people on the move - Access Now
16:35 bnchs; he hates DRM
16:35 bnchs; and that's probably why he was bad to microsoft aswell
16:36 TR News; This is how new Indian privacy law will have 'negative impact on people's privacy' | TechRadar https://www.techradar.com/features/this-is-how-new-indian-privacy-law-will-have-negative-impact-on-peoples-privacy Source: techradar
16:36 TR Bot; is how new Indian privacy law will have 'negative impact on people's privacy' | TechRadar
16:38 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164808
16:38 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
16:38 SomeH4x0r; how good this place is for free speech? Are people banned for saying "bad" opinions? I know there used to be three bans set, though at least one of them was a spambot
16:42 TR News; "This updated advisory is a follow-up to the advisory update titled ICSA-22-041-02 Siemens SIMATIC WinCC and PCS (Update A) that was published April 14, 2022, to the ICS webpage on cisa.gov/ics." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-041-02
16:42 TR Bot; Siemens SIMATIC WinCC and PCS (Update B) | CISA
16:44 TR News; "An attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/05/12/adobe-releases-security-updates-multiple-products
16:44 TR Bot; Adobe Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA
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16:54 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/05/13/latvian-legislators-vote-in-favour-of-demolishing-soviet-monument-in-riga-news "Latvian legislators vote in favour of demolishing Soviet monument in Riga"
16:54 TR Bot; .
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 12.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 479.58
17:13 activelow; weird, it is the c-support plugin for vim which slowed down startup time from 1s to 5s
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17:20 icu; destroing "monuments2 seems to be trending
17:21 XRevan86; All around, yes.
17:21 XRevan86; Russia is destroying monuments in Ukraine.
17:22 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/18110460
17:22 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/jnsaczh127w11.jpg created on 2018-11-04 19:51:06.644855
17:22 icu; slavers
17:22 MinceR; well, it's not surprising that terrorists would go full ISIS
17:22 icu; dictators
17:22 icu; i 1st i remeber was saddam statue
17:23 icu; well before was the nazi eagle and suastica
17:24 icu; MinceR just as long has they dont destroy cat statues
17:25 icu; taliban also seem to like it
17:26 MinceR; there are cat statues in ukraine?
17:26 icu; well who doesn't like a good firework display?
17:28 icu; you off all people dont know?
17:29 icu; https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/2d7cd7c2-7f86-4d51-9b89-462ddaa6a9a4_1.cea09fdd7c47e372113f0e23cd72baff.jpeg
17:30 MinceR; not what comes to mind when i think of "statue" :>
17:37 icu; MinceR are you on rehab?
17:38 MinceR; no
17:38 icu; i mean the cat addiction...
17:39 icu; think of your family
17:40 MinceR; look who's talking
17:40 MinceR; you can't even live without oxygen
17:40 MinceR; a few minutes without it, and you're dead
17:41 bnchs; cats are cute :3
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17:42 icu; gladly the world is already working on it https://www.oxygenlevels.org/
17:42 TR Bot; Historical Global Atmospheric Oxygen Levels Graph & Widget
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17:42 icu; soon i will have no adiction to 02
17:44 icu; just wait till the oceans go acidic
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17:44 icu; that will kill my addiction 4 sure
17:47 MinceR; :>
17:48 bnchs; MinceR, do you live without oxygen?
17:49 MinceR; no
17:49 icu; death kill all additions
17:50 icu; dont tell you are addicted to live?
17:51 SomeH4x0r; Skywave: ^ ping perhaps
17:51 bnchs; you are addicted to IRC
17:51 icu; and mincer is my dealer
17:51 SomeH4x0r; Skywave wants posthumanism
17:51 SomeH4x0r; replace humans with bots
17:52 icu; humans are obsolete
17:53 bnchs; icu, your momma said you were obsolete
17:53 bnchs; but unfortunately her request wasn't accepted
17:54 icu; your mother was but yet here you are
17:54 bnchs; i guess
17:54 icu; its a mirical
17:54 SomeH4x0r; childhood is slavery
17:54 icu; praise good
17:54 icu; fuck you all idiots
17:55 bnchs; screw you guise
17:55 bnchs; i'm going hewm!!!!!
17:55 icu; fucking peeping toms
17:55 SomeH4x0r; there are other IRC networks to take a look on
17:55 icu; how do you live with your self creeps
17:56 icu; yes go there
17:56 icu; and pissoff
17:56 SomeH4x0r; I'm connected to a few
17:56 SomeH4x0r; and I'm also on XMPP
17:56 icu; the king of pimps
17:57 icu; or is it peeps
17:58 icu; nothing like leaching people chats right?
17:59 SomeH4x0r; idk
17:59 icu; you dont?
17:59 icu; off all people?
18:00 SomeH4x0r; don't what?
18:01 icu; im doing the questioning
18:02 bnchs; icu, your mom went into the ICU, after you were born in the C section
18:02 icu; if you say so err foktor
18:02 bnchs; *sigh* i'm sorry
18:03 bnchs; just wanted to vent a bit
18:03 icu; you mean fart?
18:03 bnchs; no
18:03 bnchs; vent my feelings
18:04 icu; feelings? i think you got it backwards
18:05 bnchs; it doesn't matter
18:08 icu; if you hammer something long enough it will become a nail
18:10 activelow; found it... it was rxvt which altered /dev/ttyX permission of any node it acquired...
18:10 activelow; and this is a weird linux default too -> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 0 May 13 17:03 /dev/tty
18:11 activelow; there is many daemons running with distinct user accounts, which do _not_ require any tty at all, nonethless in case of any flaw elsewhere an exploit could acquire a tty due to this
18:11 activelow; baphometos will do it differently: bsd pty, and mode 660 on /dev/tty owned by group tty... only users in group tty are permitted to access it
18:12 activelow; this requires administrative care, noone on the system leaves dangling tty nodes it acquired chmod to 666 as rxvt does
18:12 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/251246
18:12 TR Bot; Media reports: Fire bottles thrown at a military enlistment office in Omsk at night
18:12 activelow; dropbear ssh to alters tty permissions... which i don't know why what this would be required for
18:14 icu; "Fire bottles"?
18:14 XRevan86; icu: Molotov's
18:14 activelow; local root exploits remain dangerous nonetheless, yet if a remote-exploit could hijack any process without tty-group permission set, then there isn't any terminal for them
18:14 icu; did a 5yo write this ?
18:15 XRevan86; icu: Don't pick on the translator.
18:15 bnchs; fire bottles lol
18:15 bnchs; bottles containing fire
18:22 XRevan86; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail#Other_names eh, it is mentioned
18:22 TR Bot; Molotov cocktail - Wikipedia
18:22 matey; perm-36 was also called molotov i think
18:37 activelow; and vim c-support plugin require 5seconds to load together with vim... can't imagine noone else had noticed
18:38 activelow; which was extremely annoying for years, because working on command line requires spwaning a vim process often
18:39 activelow; otherwise i equipped vim with 70 plugins here which barely affects process launch time, remains below 1s; with c-support it jumps to 5s
18:41 activelow; i mean, vim is intended as a widely available editor on almost all systems available, including hardware which is alot slower
18:41 activelow; should a vim user wait 1minute then to launch vim with a tiny embedded system?
18:43 activelow; too it is noteworthy nvi was wiped from the gentoo tree? why? it doesn't break with unicode (in comparison to the busybox-vi and elvis i tested), it is small and fast and sufficient for what one typically does with vi
18:45 activelow; gentoo dropped official support for *bsd kernels... another one. there isn't any alternative to linux kernel anymore within gentoo realm.
18:45 activelow; instead they'excited, linux can be compiled with mapple llvm/clang now (not tinycc i might add)
18:45 activelow; very strange decisions, very strange priorities, for what "free software" was supposed to be...
18:46 activelow; yet, once they'll loose the target audience, which is hackers, good luck then
18:47 activelow; capable staff isn't recruited first and foremost in big corporations, many started in their garage
18:47 TR News; GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164809
18:47 TR Bot; GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines
18:47 activelow; ^ current baphometos compiler is gcc-4.7
18:47 TR News; Toolforge GridEngine Debian 10 Buster migration Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164810
18:47 TR Bot; Toolforge GridEngine Debian 10 Buster migration | Tux Machines
18:47 TR News; Improving Calc support for 16384 columns Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164811
18:47 TR Bot; Improving Calc support for 16384 columns | Tux Machines
18:48 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164812
18:48 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 49.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 506.33
19:01 TR News; Irving Wladawsky-Berger: How Can You Trust the Predictions of a Large Machine Learning Model? https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/05/how-can-you-trust-machine-learning.html Source: irvingwb
19:01 TR Bot; Irving Wladawsky-Berger: How Can You Trust the Predictions of a Large Machine Learning Model?
19:05 XRevan86; https://yewtu.be/O4YxxWStxsc <https://youtu.be/O4YxxWStxsc> Pretty.
19:05 TR Bot; - Invidious
19:05 TR Bot; https://y.com.sb/watch?v=O4YxxWStxsc
19:05 TR Bot; y.com.sb | - Invidious
19:05 XRevan86; "Putin's favourite yacht got arrested"
19:06 TR News; Firefox hits the big 100: Why you should use this open-source browser now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164392#comment-33654
19:06 TR Bot; Firefox 100 Is Now Available for Download, Enables GTK Overlay Scrollbars on Linux | Tux Machines
19:08 TR News; Maintaina Horde: Tumbleweed and PHP 8.1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164809#comment-33655
19:08 TR Bot; GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines
19:09 TR News; Official SUSE blog: "504 Gateway Time-out"
19:11 TR News; Left out the part about attacking FSF for self-promotional purposes https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/may/12/introduction/
19:11 TR Bot; New Software Freedom Conservancy Introduction Video - Software Freedom Conservancy
19:11 TR News; Steadily GNU/Linux will dominate more and more sector https://gamerant.com/steam-deck-influence-increase-linux-gaming/
19:11 TR Bot; Stats Suggest the Steam Deck May Have Influenced an Increase in Linux Gaming
19:19 TR News; Graphics Hacking by Rosenzweig and Kristf Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164813
19:19 TR Bot; Graphics Hacking by Rosenzweig and Kristf | Tux Machines
19:21 TR News; Containers Software on GNU/Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164814
19:21 TR Bot; Containers Software on GNU/Linux | Tux Machines
19:21 matey; < Dave2> lol, techrights. Irrelevant and wrong when it was Boycott Novell, irrelevant and wrong now. <- at its best when it was boycott novell
19:22 matey; schestowitz-TR some prominent developers attribute to demise of Novell to us <- scapegoating
19:22 matey; thats sheer pride on their part
19:22 matey; they did it to themselves
19:22 matey; rather blame someone else
19:23 matey; Boycott Novell was pretty stupid because Novell never actually did anything bad <- thats... its amazing that a boob learned how to type all on its own
19:23 matey; Novell never actually did anything bad <- the crackpipe is strong with this one
19:24 matey; schestowitz-TR Novell conspired with Microsoft schestowitz-TR against Red Hat and everyone else <- yes
19:24 matey; schestowitz-TR and it failed <- sort of
19:25 matey; some of the worst shit you see today, the worst destruction of gnu/linux/fsf, came out from the already-dead-and-gone novell
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19:25 matey; the curse lives on, and ever since the name change techrights has thrown softballs at it
19:25 matey; i really think its just a coincidence. its not the name that campaigned against mono
19:26 matey; what is the progeny of systemd, where did they come from? what destroyed debian?
19:26 matey; the linux foundation, its corruption
19:26 matey; microsoft a leading factor-- but just as the usa traipses around the earth to prop up a corporate empire
19:27 matey; while various countries (who tagged along for the ride, the profits, the carnage and exploitation) i mean
19:27 matey; you can say microsoft is the worst if it (most likely) is, but lets not let the other bastards off the hook
19:28 matey; its a known-- a given-- that microsoft uses proxies for its dirty work
19:28 matey; reported here
19:28 matey; and yet
19:28 matey; foolishly, those proxies get a fairer shake than they deserve
19:28 matey; without the proxies, microsoft would be dead and gone
19:28 matey; so if we go easy on the proxies, we only help microsoft
19:29 matey; and yeah, the proxies get softballs. its a bit shit
19:29 matey; stick a fork in microsoft with one hand, give a leg up on the other hand
19:29 matey; bas strategy
19:29 matey; bad
19:29 matey; bas works too
19:29 matey; bas, bas
19:30 matey; either way, dave is an idiot. he thinks novell was clean
19:30 *techrights_guest|68 (~40d19b22@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
19:30 matey; baseless claim
19:30 *techrights_guest|68 has quit (Quit: Connection closed)
19:30 matey; absolute nutter
19:31 matey; schestowitz-TR >> RMS is a fucking liability due to being a creepy fuck
19:31 matey; schestowitz-TR what is "creepy fuck"
19:31 matey; i can answer that one
19:31 matey; a creepy fuck is anyone someone finds unattractive
19:31 matey; i mean there are things one can DO that are creepy
19:32 matey; but the way the word actually gets used, its mostly to lump in people who are PRESUMED to be unattractive with those who do bad things
19:32 matey; its really not unlike the way people reacted to blacks during jim crow
19:32 matey; i mean youre walking in broad daylight, on a busy street
19:33 matey; and you "social distance" any time you see a black person
19:33 matey; because what if... what if... theyre one of the BAD ONES
19:33 matey; a lot of people react to men this way now
19:34 psydruid; original nuttah
19:34 TR News; NetworkManager 1.38 is out. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/-/tags/1.38.0
19:34 TR Bot; 1.38.0 Tags NetworkManager / NetworkManager GitLab
19:34 psydruid; is that dave plummer in disguise?
19:36 matey; so many people have said "all men are rapists" that i cant find the person to attribute it to
19:36 matey; too many candidates.
19:37 matey; from this we can figure out what a "creepy man" is.
19:37 matey; its a man, any man.
19:37 matey; men are creepy.
19:37 matey; and unattractive. and smelly. (the last one is true, but some people actually love the smell, which is actually the point of it)
19:38 matey; WITHIN REASON of course. if you dont wash that (attractive) smell off, it does become rancid and... ew.
19:38 matey; women steal mens shirts for a reason.
19:38 matey; its not a fashion statement, its a trophy.
19:39 matey; theres nothing wrong with this
19:39 matey; anyway, these people ban hate speech, but they really dont
19:40 matey; its not hate speech when its directed at whatever group is targeted for reeducation
19:40 matey; its not hate speech when its at "cis white men"
19:40 matey; or so they say
19:40 matey; so thats what "creepy fuck" means
19:40 matey; it means that like when jews were dehumanised so they could be exterminated more easily
19:40 TR News; Raspberry Pi Reptile Cam Monitors Lizards for Optimal Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164815
19:40 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi Reptile Cam Monitors Lizards for Optimal Support | Tux Machines
19:41 matey; men are subhuman disgusting animals.
19:41 matey; and this is why some feminists (again, my best friend is a feminist) get compared to nazis
19:41 matey; because the rhetoric is (in every single way) identical.
19:41 matey; dehumanisation, calls for sterilisation (literally) and calls for extermination
19:42 matey; if you trip over the wrong meme, its a dog whistle
19:42 matey; if you dog whistle all day about eradicating men wholesale, NOT a dog whistle
19:42 matey; left opportunists are always hypocrites of the highest order
19:42 bnchs; i'm a man :(
19:43 matey; youre a creepy duck! ()o<
19:43 matey; the good news is that the longer this shit goes on
19:43 matey; far from bringing on the rabid feminist apocalypse (which the alt-right hopes for and the mainstream right honestly fears)
19:44 matey; people just get bored with it, realise its actually pretty fringe, and move on
19:44 SomeH4x0r; I'm sometimes thinking about becoming transgender for political benefits
19:44 matey; of course the media rides the wave and exploits it, like the do with everything
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19:44 matey; <SomeH4x0r> I'm sometimes thinking about becoming transgender for political benefits <- thats a really dumb idea on a bunch of levels
19:44 matey; but most of all-- i mean, from a purely opportunist argument that is
19:45 matey; its a terrible idea because the motivation / advantage in doing so already dwindles and will continue to do so
19:45 matey; so you missed the boat
19:45 matey; and i dont think many people did that
19:45 matey; like a small percentage of a tiny percentage, of
19:45 matey; maybe as many people as you can count on two hands
19:46 matey; i think most trans opportunists were probably leaning trans already
19:46 matey; and maybe they got a little push from thinking it would buy them something politically
19:46 TR News; Marcus Lundblad: GNOME Maps Spring Cleaning http://ml4711.blogspot.com/2022/05/maps-spring-cleaning.html
19:46 TR Bot; My geek stuff blog: Maps Spring Cleaning
19:46 matey; maybe im underestimating the actual count, but i think the principle holds.
19:46 matey; in other words, in practice its moot
19:46 XRevan86; SomeH4x0r: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/108184953377882814 https://vulpine.club/@violet/108184970225368175
19:46 TR Bot; Ariadne Conill: "love to be literally followed by and then nearly " - Treehouse Mastodon
19:46 TR Bot; Violet :contains_thc:: "transphobia, violence" - The Vulpine Club
19:47 XRevan86; SomeH4x0r: Benefits such as this?
19:47 matey; but either way, more moot than before
19:47 Ariadne; ya super beneficial
19:47 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/ChrisDYork/status/1524821976325431299 I keep hearing about Noam Chomsky embarrassing himself.
19:47 TR Bot; Chris York (@ChrisDYork): "Noam Chomsky claims Ukrainians arent actually demanding heavy weapons, thats just western propaganda. Owen Jones just nods along. Suspect 44 million Ukrainians might have something to say about it." | nitter
19:48 matey; XRevan86 whats the dumbest thing hes ever said? (inconclusively, unscientifically, off the top of your head, with any bias assumed and whatever)
19:48 XRevan86; Of course when I hear statements from people around Zelensky like Podolyak, Arestovich, et al., they all say: heavy weaponry, much need.
19:49 XRevan86; matey: I can't say because I'm not following him.
19:49 TR News; Annual Report: TDFs (The Document Foundation) infrastructure in 2021 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164816
19:49 TR Bot; Annual Report: TDFs (The Document Foundation) infrastructure in 2021 | Tux Machines
19:49 icu; ukarania should use its nukes
19:49 SomeH4x0r; are there any?
19:49 Ariadne; they got rid of them
19:50 Ariadne; whoopsie
19:50 XRevan86; The alleged nukes? :)
19:50 icu; better bang for pound
19:50 XRevan86; they should strap them onto the biolab animals and deploy
19:51 XRevan86; Russia is trying the biolab thing again, yea.
19:51 TR News; Sam Thursfield: Trying out systemds Portable Services Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164817
19:51 TR Bot; Sam Thursfield: Trying out systemds Portable Services | Tux Machines
19:51 icu; terget the kremlin
19:51 XRevan86; Ties them to Biden, Obama, Soros, et al.
19:51 Ariadne; anyway, FSF finds itself trapped in a difficult circumstance
19:51 matey; the fake /me though the only thing the biolabs were for was making the tap water that turns everyone into a gay frog
19:52 matey; not enough backspace there
19:52 matey; /me thought the only thing the biolabs were for was making the tap water that turns everyone into a gay frog
19:52 Ariadne; RMS is, well, RMS. he is very intelligent, strong vision, is dedicated to it
19:52 matey; FSF finds itself trapped in a difficult circumstance <- you mean a death spiral
19:53 Ariadne; but RMS also eats his own toejam in public
19:53 matey; aww fuck that
19:53 Ariadne; which is what people mean by "creepy fuck"
19:53 matey; i used to know a model who pulled out her own hair
19:53 matey; nice person
19:53 matey; same compulsion
19:53 Ariadne; he is nice enough
19:53 matey; very co-morbid with ocd and
19:54 matey; but shes a woman so it doesnt make her a creepy fuck
19:54 Ariadne; he is also not the person i would have fronting a movement
19:54 matey; ocd and autism
19:54 matey; /me points out that silence of the lambs decided to paint a guy who wanted to become a woman as a serial killing creepy fuck
19:54 matey; you can make anyone into a creepy fuck if you want to
19:54 icu; fronting a movement should be black and a women
19:55 matey; i love eddie izzard, he covers this
19:55 matey; "yeah, WEIRDO travestites"
19:55 matey; "executive transvestite..."
19:55 matey; "weirdo transvesties"
19:55 icu; eddie izzard from the lizard people?
19:55 matey; izzard (i dont know his preferred pronoun, i think hes still ok with he) has xcome out as trans
19:55 matey; no, hes one of my favourite comedians of all time
19:56 matey; anyway, the person running this channel can be a complete fucking hypocrite and rewrite history all she wants
19:56 matey; im not listening to the corporate-shill bullshit
19:56 icu; so its a stage name
19:56 matey; complete hypocrite.
19:56 matey; fuck that, youre backstabber and a liar.
19:56 matey; a
19:57 matey; i thought youd learned your lessoon
19:57 matey; appaarently youre spineless
19:57 matey; hypocrite. sellout.
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19:58 TR News; GNOME Project Strategy in 2022 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164642#comment-33656
19:58 TR Bot; Robert McQueen (GNOME Foundation): Evolving a strategy for 2022 and beyond | Tux Machines
19:58 icu; people chating from mobiles....
19:58 icu; i bet hes using goggle assist
19:59 XRevan86; Ouch.
19:59 bnchs; as if google assist even supports background connections
19:59 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/ggreenwald/status/1520751923355398144 May 1st
19:59 TR Bot; Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald): "Noam Chomsky, in an interview this week, says "fortunately" there is "one Western statesman of stature" who is pushing for a diplomatic solution to the war in Ukraine rather than looking for ways to fuel and prolong it. "His name is Donald J. Trump," Chomsky says. WATCH:" | nitter
20:00 icu; hes just copy pasting from twitter
20:00 bnchs; idk what happened
20:00 XRevan86; icu: I do?
20:01 XRevan86; TechrightsBot-tr does? Who?
20:01 XRevan86; Anyway, I can't tell which statement is worse, but these are strong signs Noam Chomsky doesn't understand this war even in the slightest and has terrible sources.
20:01 icu; im not bnchs no matter what he told you
20:02 bnchs; what
20:02 bnchs; what the fuck is happening
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20:04 icu; Trump is going to end the war by decree
20:05 icu; he just has to flash his beautiful signature and everyone will stop the was and start groping each others
20:07 MinceR; lol
20:07 XRevan86; icu: He will kiss Putin, and he will turn into a beautiful prince(ss).
20:07 MinceR; they'll both turn into beautiful princesses
20:07 XRevan86; And everyone will live happily ever after.
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20:31 TR News; Chatty is an open-source Twitch Chat Client Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164818
20:31 TR Bot; Chatty is an open-source Twitch Chat Client | Tux Machines
20:33 schestowitz-TR; [20:01] <XRevan86> TechrightsBot-tr does? Who?
20:34 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: you talk to the bot? ;-)
20:34 schestowitz-TR; [20:07] <MinceR> they'll both turn into beautiful princesses
20:34 schestowitz-TR; the end
20:36 TR News; From today on the Daily Links in Techrights will have a much better TOC at the top, it's generated algorithmically now. Same format as 14 years ago, but now with rich TOC.
20:37 TR News; An odd version or vision of security https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-open-source-software-003000127.html e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/10/30/openssf-microsoft/
20:37 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation and Open Source Software Security Foundation (OpenSSF) Gather Industry and Government Leaders for Open Source Software Security Summit II
20:37 TR Bot; With Microsoft in Charge, OpenSSF Seems More Like Its About Back Doors Not Real Security Inside the Linux Foundation | Techrights
20:39 TR News; Allwinner T507 industrial processor powers automotive single board computer and module https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/13/allwinner-t507-industrial-processor-powers-automotive-single-board-computer-and-module/
20:39 TR Bot; Allwinner T507 industrial processor powers automotive single board computer and module - CNX Software
20:40 TR News; "comes pre-loaded with Windows 11 Pro" so WHY cover this CNX??? https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/12/beelink-mini-s-is-cheaper-version-of-beelink-u59-jasper-lake-mini-pc/
20:40 TR Bot; Beelink MINI S is cheaper version of Beelink U59 Jasper Lake mini PC - CNX Software
20:40 icu; TOC thermal overclock
20:41 TR News; As long as Beelink FORCES you to pay Microsoft and get malware (Windows) I don't see why CNX posts these pieces... except Beelink sends them GIFTS.
20:41 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164819
20:41 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:42 icu; Beelink stings
20:42 schestowitz-TR; Table of Contents
20:43 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22051332
20:43 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://ram.komica2.net/00/src/1652186839018.jpg created on 2022-05-13 12:10:36.199941
20:44 icu; what was that site you could test your acronyms ?
20:45 schestowitz-TR; wikipedia?
20:45 schestowitz-TR; there are many acrynym expanders/DBs online
20:45 MinceR; cyborger!
20:49 icu; Temperate Oxidation Coefficient
20:50 icu; Telnet Ospf Captcha
20:50 icu; how to something smart thats meanigless
20:51 icu; Trackback Outbox Cyberbullying
20:52 icu; https://www.abbreviations.com/acronym-generator
20:52 TR Bot; The Acronym Generator
20:52 icu; you can even do a quiz
20:53 MinceR; Cyberbullying: Beyond Earth
20:53 icu; CBE?
20:53 MinceR; no, just possibly the funniest map name from Ancient Aliens
20:58 TR News; Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/
20:58 TR Bot; Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights
20:58 TR News; Todays Leftovers (mostly programming) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164820
20:58 TR Bot; today's leftovers (mostly programming) | Tux Machines
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 485.30
21:03 AdmFubar; https://www.darkreading.com/risk/fraudulent-bot-driven-college-enrollment-up-50-new-study-finds
21:03 TR Bot; Fraudulent 'Bot-driven' College Enrollment up 50%, New Study Finds
21:03 icu; FBC
21:05 icu; Fuel Bioinformatic College Ecosystem
21:05 icu; this one fits perfectlly
21:06 icu; Fraudulent 'Bot-driven' College Enrollment Fuels Bioinformatic College Ecosystem
21:07 TR News; NVIDIA goes OPEN SOURCE, China moves to Linux, and Fortnite on Linux - Linux and open source news - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Rwh0wby2E50 Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
21:07 TR Bot; NVIDIA goes OPEN SOURCE, China moves to Linux, and Fortnite on Linux - Linux and open source news - Invidious
21:08 icu; better then you regular news titles
21:08 TR News; Ubuntu or Canonical will keep pushing Microsoft until nobody bothers with Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/new-active-directory-integration-features-in-ubuntu-22-04-part-2-group-policy-objects see http://techrights.org/2022/05/11/canonical-boosting-windows/
21:08 TR Bot; Active Directory Integration features in Ubuntu 22.04 (part 2) Group Policy Objects | Ubuntu
21:08 TR Bot; Ubuntu (Canonical) Will Not Help Us Get Rid of Windows (Microsoft) | Techrights
21:09 TR News; Meanwhile LXer peddles WSL again, perhaps not understanding that that this is how Microsoft is ATTACKING GNU/Linux. WSL needs to die. It's not a a gateway, it's E.E.E.
21:10 icu; Ubuntu is the dieng elephant going to rest at ms boneyard
21:11 icu; actually none benifits more from linux diening then apple and google
21:12 TR News; Cloudflare has rapidly turned from nuisance into terminal cancer. Lots of Web sites I can no longer access (not even their RSS feeds!!!!!!!!!!) not because I use Tor but because I do not (and cannot) run proprietary JavaScript. Cloudflare as a company is NOT profitable. It LOSES money. It needs to shut down operations!! The sooner, the better.
21:12 icu; if apple didnt come along linux would have 10% market share
21:13 TR News; The founder of cloudflare (clownflare) is dead BTW. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22878136
21:13 TR Bot; What Happened to Lee | Hacker News
21:14 schestowitz-TR; apple did not "come alongm
21:14 schestowitz-TR; apple has been around since the 1970s
21:15 schestowitz-TR; gnu/linux has vastly more share than apple
21:15 schestowitz-TR; but it's not for-profit
21:15 schestowitz-TR; and in laptops it's not used as much
21:15 schestowitz-TR; no marketing
21:15 TR News; AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164781#comment-33657
21:15 TR Bot; CentOS Alternative AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download, Based on RHEL 8.6 | Tux Machines
21:15 bnchs; i remember hackintosh
21:15 bnchs; that was before apple switched to ARM
21:16 icu; i remenber bootcamp
21:16 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/18110448
21:16 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/4eqmocrlm7w11.jpg created on 2018-11-04 15:38:46.511838
21:17 icu; apple only now switched to ARM
21:17 icu; best thing about apple hardware was that you could install windows or linux on it
21:17 MinceR; they've been using ARM in their glorified featurephones for ages
21:17 psydruid; I remember Powermacs
21:18 TR News; Linux Foundation is a source of FUD against Linux. Well, look who controls the organisation. https://venturebeat.com/2022/05/13/how-much-will-it-cost-to-secure-open-source-software-openssf-says-147-9m/
21:18 TR Bot; much will it cost to secure open-source software? OpenSSF says $147.9M | VentureBeat
21:19 icu; ap'ple made trojanware the industry stANDARD
21:19 MinceR; also they made closed platforms popular
21:19 TR News; This report cites Microsoft proxies as "sources" regarding "Open Source" security...
21:20 icu; YOU CANT HAVE A TROJAN OPENSOURCE AND SELL IT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE~
21:20 TR News; Microsoft loves Linux so much that it cannot stop raping it
21:23 TR News; Linux Foundation quotes Jim Zemlin on security like Zemlin is a technical person. He is not. Charade, theatre, kakistocracy for FUD
21:23 TR News; If you are a Linux user, Linux Foundation does not represent you. If you are a Microsoft fan, then maybe Linux Foundation does speak for you.
21:24 TR News; "Russia threatens internet service providers, while exerting propaganda and stretching control over the flow of information in the occupied territories." https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
21:24 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now
21:25 TR News; Western lies: "PROFESSIONAL journalism" (sponsored by oligarchs like Bezos). Russian lies: "disinformation". Consider the possibility that both are lying. They lie differently. They have different interests. Sometimes.
21:26 AdmFubar; they will milk fruit users for all they can get for this https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/apple-working-on-secret-space-network-for-iphones-satellite-phones-10668431.html
21:26 TR Bot; is apparently planning to launch a secret space network for iPhones- Technology News, Firstpost
21:27 icu; it will make pegasus software undetectable
21:27 TR News; History of mankind: our lies are just white lies, well intended. THEIRS are malicious and malevolent.
21:27 activelow; quickly tested mksh and zsh as drop-in replacement for bash with gentoo... epic fail... don't see a chance to keep gentoo without bash
21:27 activelow; meaning it will be all gone one day: gentoo, portage, bash...
21:27 TR News; Zemlin works for Microsoft. He's just not aware of it.
21:28 activelow; once the system profile is stabilized, the complicated dependency tracking with gentoo won't be necessary anymore
21:29 activelow; don't know all details, what POSIX covered with shell capabilities, in practice there isn't portability
21:29 TR News; Microsoft is transmitting malware again, but guess who the media will blame (perpetrators and victims, not the carrier) https://linuxstoney.com/attack-on-german-companies-through-npm-packages/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/
21:29 TR Bot; on German companies through NPM packages - LinuxStoney
21:29 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights
21:29 icu; i think slackware is the distro for me
21:30 activelow; i need a rudimentary dependency tracking
21:30 icu; it doesnt draggs in 100 dependecies
21:30 TR News; SUSE works like little but subsidiary of SAP. It even attacks the FOUNDER of GNU/Linux. While PUSHING mostly PROPRIETARY software (yes, RMS is harmful to this agenda, no doubt) https://www.suse.com/c/analytics-in-the-cloud-how-and-why-it-is-important-for-your-organization/
21:30 activelow; all linux with gnu userspace do, often, except for some niche minimal ones with busybox
21:31 icu; you install x program if it doesnt work you just have to live with out it
21:31 schestowitz-TR; slacware has a ton og goodwill still going for it
21:31 schestowitz-TR; it never got corrupted
21:31 schestowitz-TR; with gentoo the founder sold out
21:31 schestowitz-TR; slackware's name came under attack
21:31 schestowitz-TR; from a company that called itself "slack"
21:31 activelow; good question, how slackware tracks dependencies then, at some time they must do it
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21:31 activelow; implicitely or explicitely
21:32 TR News; Kernel 5.15.39 compiled in Easy Bookworm https://bkhome.org/news/202205/kernel-51539-compiled-in-easy-bookworm.html Source: bkhome
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21:32 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
21:32 icu; there needs to be a unified progrming framework
21:32 schestowitz-TR; within what context?
21:33 schestowitz-TR; lack of competition is not good
21:33 schestowitz-TR; standards are OK
21:33 schestowitz-TR; consortia across industry
21:33 icu; you can do a program and it will run everywere with out depending on x y z DE
21:34 icu; like midi files
21:34 schestowitz-TR; even competiting standards bodies can be good
21:34 schestowitz-TR; so the rotten, corrupt ones perish
21:34 activelow; posix... wasn't this stallman's term for it?
21:34 bnchs; icu: midi files are dependent on a soundfont/syntheizer
21:34 bnchs; and sounds different depending on THAT
21:35 icu; a yes thats exactlly what i mean
21:35 bnchs; so you want a program that runs differently
21:35 bnchs; but has the identical output?
21:35 schestowitz-TR; yes, posic is a term of rms
21:35 schestowitz-TR; *posix
21:35 icu; its runs the same it only uses each DE bells and wistles
21:36 schestowitz-TR; of course some people like to pretend all rms ever did was mention esptein in some mit email to a large group of people
21:36 schestowitz-TR; and wrote some dumb sentence of two in his site a decade ago
21:36 schestowitz-TR; after some gnu contributor wrote to him
21:37 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, he wrote a VR robot fanfic in his site
21:38 schestowitz-TR; I never saw that
21:38 schestowitz-TR; he does write a lot
21:38 icu; the program will have a set of parameters to define the menus the window size whatever and the DE just translates it to its way of drwing stuff
21:38 schestowitz-TR; for 30+ years
21:38 schestowitz-TR; he also wrote a lot of code
21:38 schestowitz-TR; very productive, all this while traveling to give talk and speak to polticians
21:39 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164821
21:39 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
21:39 icu; like midi doesnt care what the translation of its parameters are
21:39 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, https://stallman.org/articles/made-for-you.html
21:39 TR Bot; Made for You
21:39 schestowitz-TR; activelow beat me to it re midi
21:39 schestowitz-TR; midi is not unified
21:40 schestowitz-TR; I gew up doing tons of midi
21:40 schestowitz-TR; and even back then some sound cards played it poorly
21:40 schestowitz-TR; you could get a rewndered version of it to wav
21:40 schestowitz-TR; or later mp*
21:40 schestowitz-TR; but midi is just a spec
21:40 bnchs; mod files are better
21:40 icu; its not up to the midi files to tell you how or in what way to translate its paremeters
21:41 icu; whats sound lib you are using
21:41 schestowitz-TR; the output is not predictable
21:41 schestowitz-TR; not at the slightest
21:41 schestowitz-TR; even the length an istrument plays is not specified
21:41 icu; you might want to play the same music on stribgs and it does
21:41 schestowitz-TR; or the speed
21:41 schestowitz-TR; so the same midi file will give you many rendition
21:41 icu; you might wnat it use the metals section and it does
21:42 bnchs; it depends on the sound font
21:42 bnchs; the soundlib
21:42 schestowitz-TR; activelow and I were born a month apart, iirc, so we probably saw the adlib generation and other sound blaster things making widely different sounds
21:42 schestowitz-TR; but young people don't understand that
21:42 icu; like a program would render on gnome completelly difrent then kde but with same functionallity
21:42 schestowitz-TR; back then to store a 10MB MP3 or 100MB FLAC was not possible
21:42 schestowitz-TR; my whole HDD/HD was like 170KB, inc. OS
21:43 bnchs; icu: what if a soundfont lacks the instrument to play a certain note
21:43 schestowitz-TR; *170MB
21:43 schestowitz-TR; games would therefore send commands to the sound card
21:43 icu; also that would make programs possible alot slimmer
21:43 bnchs; or the soundlib doesn't know what a certain MIDI event means
21:43 schestowitz-TR; not stream of output
21:43 schestowitz-TR; like with opencl/gl
21:44 icu; an instrument can arguablly play any note
21:44 icu; in fact theres only 7
21:44 bnchs; no
21:44 icu; yes
21:45 bnchs; i mean a midi track set to an undefined instrument
21:45 schestowitz-TR; iirc, tempo is not defined
21:45 schestowitz-TR; but has defaults
21:45 icu; thats the "DE" job to chose the "instrument"
21:46 bnchs; i had many experience with midi files
21:46 icu; this is just a metaphore
21:46 TR News; Cockpit 269 https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-269.html
21:46 TR Bot; Cockpit 269 Cockpit Project
21:46 icu; dont get stuck with mifi tecnicalities
21:46 bnchs; yeah
21:46 bnchs; "When Sandra was three months old, she proudly told me that she had got a job designing meat vats, and that she had obtained adult status. "Now that I'm not your ward, we can make love." My virtual reality gear had the necessary features, so we did that right away. "
21:47 TR News; "A couple weeks ago the Fedora Community Outreach Revamp(FCOR) team announced that we would be organising an Ambassador Call Kick-off and collected feedback about availability." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/youre-invited-fedora-ambassador-call/
21:47 TR Bot; Youre invited: Fedora Ambassador Call Fedora Community Blog
21:47 icu; you can use the same rationale to some extent with automatic translations
21:48 TR News; ICBM schizo: one day is promotes clown computing (outsources), today is advocates "autonomy" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/5/autonomy-more-important-flexibility
21:48 TR Bot; 3 reasons autonomy is more important than flexibility | The Enterprisers Project
21:49 icu; bnchs whats this thing about sara?
21:49 bnchs; richard stallman's fanfic
21:49 icu; sandra or whatever
21:50 TR News; Red Hat Announces Upcoming Release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164693#comment-33658
21:50 TR Bot; Red Hat: OpenShift, Keynotes, and RHEL 9 Released | Tux Machines
21:51 TR News; Local availability of fast flash drives https://bkhome.org/news/202205/local-availability-of-fast-flash-drives.html I saw TONS of them in Tesco today. Didn't feel like there was any real shortage at all.
21:51 TR Bot; Local availability of fast flash drives
21:51 icu; i dont see how is that relevant
21:51 bnchs; nah it's just something
21:52 TR News; How to 'cook' short-term profits: fake shortages, hope this will cause a panic-buying spree. Of course sales stop after that... but that's not your problem when you're an executive judged on a quarter-to-quarter basis.
21:52 icu; you seem to be a RMS afictionado
21:52 icu; sucks to be you
21:52 schestowitz-TR; afictionado - no
21:53 schestowitz-TR; sympathetic maybe
21:53 schestowitz-TR; because we see him unfairly attacked a lot
21:53 schestowitz-TR; his haters do not understand him
21:53 schestowitz-TR; the antagonists use straw man arguments and lies
21:53 schestowitz-TR; and by doing so they make him seem "martyr"
21:53 schestowitz-TR; it's an own goal
21:53 schestowitz-TR; e.g.
21:53 schestowitz-TR; saying RMS supports Epstein
21:53 schestowitz-TR; that's Bill Gates, not RMS
21:54 schestowitz-TR; RMS loathes Epstein
21:54 icu; that again?
21:54 schestowitz-TR; and called him nasty things in his site
21:54 schestowitz-TR; icu: yes, that again
21:54 schestowitz-TR; it was never corrected
21:54 schestowitz-TR; so it seems like a lot of anti-RMS people are happy to cushion lies
21:54 schestowitz-TR; it's an own goal
21:55 bnchs; he pissed off the wrong people
21:55 icu; and you seem happy to talk alot about it so what does that makes you?
21:55 bnchs; now they're up at his throat
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21:55 TR News; "Youve probably heard about ad blockers, tab managers, anti-trackers or any number of browser customization tools commonly known as extensions. And maybe youre intrigued to try one, but youve never installed an extension before and the whole notion just seems a bit obscure." https://addons.mozilla.org/blog/extension-starter-pack/
21:55 TR Bot; Extension starter pack - Firefox Add-ons Blog
21:56 schestowitz-TR; lol you just made me think:
21:56 schestowitz-TR; maybe you could joke that by attacking epstein he annoyed esptein's friend
21:56 schestowitz-TR; so they chose him as the scapegoat
21:56 schestowitz-TR; e.g. at MIT
21:56 bnchs; scapegoat
21:56 schestowitz-TR; to deflect attention
21:56 schestowitz-TR; off Gate
21:56 schestowitz-TR; Gates
21:56 bnchs; gonna cut his throat like a Eid Al Fitr
21:56 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/
21:56 TR Bot; Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights
21:58 icu; this channel is a Qanon offshot
21:58 TR News; ONLYOFFICE 7.1 Office Suite Update Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164796#comment-33659
21:58 TR Bot; ONLYOFFICE Docs v7.1 released: ARM compatibility, PDF to DOCX conversion, Print preview in spreadsheets and more | Tux Machines
21:58 schestowitz-TR; icu: haha, go on then..
21:58 schestowitz-TR; so pointing out FACTS about gates = "qanon"
21:59 schestowitz-TR; congrats, you help defend the crooks
21:59 schestowitz-TR; icu: quick or fast forward
21:59 schestowitz-TR; the police in Seattle did hand over the us the report
21:59 schestowitz-TR; almost 3000 pages
21:59 schestowitz-TR; there was an arrest in Gates' mansion
21:59 schestowitz-TR; there is no denying it
22:00 schestowitz-TR; and we published most of the report (redacted)
22:00 icu; screw you (only if you are over 19yo) schestowitz
22:00 bnchs; lol
22:00 schestowitz-TR; it's also a fact that Gates lost his wife because of the Esptein situation
22:00 schestowitz-TR; I won't take insults for pointing out verified facts
22:01 schestowitz-TR; unless you also think Seattle Police sat there writing all those pages for "shits and giggles"
22:01 icu; who gives a fuck about gates?
22:01 schestowitz-TR; or that Melinda Gates lied to the media
22:01 icu; isnt this a linux channel?
22:01 schestowitz-TR; you mentioned RMS
22:01 icu; stop spamming BS
22:01 schestowitz-TR; RMS was attacked over a straw man argument and lie
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22:01 schestowitz-TR; spamming by posting in techrights?
22:01 schestowitz-TR; totally on-topic stuff?
22:02 schestowitz-TR; you could instead act like a grown-up and learn something
22:02 schestowitz-TR; you can ask me for high-authority media references too
22:02 schestowitz-TR; and learn what's happening
22:02 schestowitz-TR; now what PR campaigns led you to think
22:02 icu; grown-up?
22:02 schestowitz-TR; yes
22:03 bnchs; icu: are you a sysop
22:03 schestowitz-TR; you seem resistant to factas
22:03 schestowitz-TR; and resort to name-calling
22:03 bnchs; are you the owner of this irc server
22:03 icu; looks like kindergarden figer pointing
22:03 bnchs; to determine whats on topic and whats not on topic
22:03 schestowitz-TR; projection ^
22:03 icu; LOL
22:04 TR News; When open source meets academic publishing: Platinum open access journals | https://opensource.com/article/22/5/platinum-open-access-academic-journals Source: opensource.com
22:04 TR Bot; open source meets academic publishing: Platinum open access journals | Opensource.com
22:04 icu; i get you wanna decide whats my topic
22:04 schestowitz-TR; I never called you names
22:04 schestowitz-TR; it's more powerful to use facts
22:05 schestowitz-TR; name-calling is what people do when effective/potent arguments have been exhausted
22:05 icu; rgere are lots of facts
22:05 schestowitz-TR; like saying "qanon"
22:05 schestowitz-TR; qanon are brain-damaged people
22:05 icu; i can shoose my facts
22:05 schestowitz-TR; whom we always mocked
22:05 bnchs; icu> who gives a fuck about gates? <-- asking it on #techrights
22:05 icu; maybe they are moking you
22:05 schestowitz-TR; and it's used as a straw man to demonise the actual thing
22:06 schestowitz-TR; [08:32] <techrights-news> "Take Bill Gates. Forget all the conspiracy theories about Gates and vaccines it's bizarre that people bother to make up those fairy-tales when the truth is so much worse." https://pluralistic.net/2022/05/11/a-dent-in-the-universe/#eminently-guillotineable | Source: CoryDoctorow
22:06 schestowitz-TR; new
22:06 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 11 May 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
22:06 schestowitz-TR; it's a PR tactic
22:06 schestowitz-TR; make a truth seem like "truthers"
22:06 schestowitz-TR; and "crazy"
22:06 schestowitz-TR; by crating some distorted, fictional theories
22:06 icu; i get it now Qanon was made to mock you idiots
22:06 schestowitz-TR; no
22:06 schestowitz-TR; the media props up bogus stories
22:07 schestowitz-TR; to make it seem like the accurate accounts are the same
22:07 icu; that makes sence
22:07 schestowitz-TR; as the BS
22:07 schestowitz-TR; it's an old PR tactic
22:07 icu; makes sence too
22:07 schestowitz-TR; when you cannot deny something
22:07 schestowitz-TR; make a straw man
22:07 schestowitz-TR; BillBC did that last week
22:07 schestowitz-TR; Bill has paid them for a decade
22:08 schestowitz-TR; and now they help him portray his critics as "cranks"
22:08 icu; Bill is a pedo so what?
22:08 schestowitz-TR; no
22:08 schestowitz-TR; don't know
22:08 schestowitz-TR; that's what the fools would leap to
22:08 icu; whatever the facts are
22:08 schestowitz-TR; but it's a fact that he was very close to Esptein
22:08 schestowitz-TR; so close his wife divorced him
22:08 icu; I DONT GIVE A SHIT
22:08 icu; ~
22:08 schestowitz-TR; ok
22:08 schestowitz-TR; later you will
22:08 schestowitz-TR; you cannot hold the shit in for long :-)
22:09 schestowitz-TR; bbl
22:09 icu; me?
22:09 schestowitz-TR; this chat became a waste of time
22:09 icu; you just now discovered that?
22:09 *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights
22:09 icu; arent you the smart apple
22:10 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/media-still-distracts/
22:10 TR Bot; Media Frenzy Around Gates Divorce Helps Distract From Bills Crimes | Techrights
22:10 schestowitz-TR; icu: have a look
22:10 schestowitz-TR; it's a roundup
22:10 schestowitz-TR; you might find that helpful
22:10 schestowitz-TR; I'll be back to IRC later, I strart work at 1am
22:10 schestowitz-TR; and want to clean my RSS feeds
22:10 icu; my interest in that is -100
22:11 TR News; [Buzzword] inspiration from Toyota Production System and Lean considered harmful https://blogs.fsfe.org/agger/2022/05/12/devops-inspiration-from-toyota-production-system-and-lean-considered-harmful/
22:11 TR Bot; DevOps inspiration from Toyota Production System and Lean considered harmful agger's Free Software blog
22:11 TR News; "I felt a bit cheap compared to the other guests who were preparing full-on meals with avocado, rice and eggs, but this was inexpensive and quick which was important, since I was going to have a video call later the morning." https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/05/13/europe-trip-journal-entry-10-pub-crawl/
22:11 TR Bot; Europe Trip Journal Entry 10: Pub Crawl vanitasvitae's blog
22:12 bnchs; icu, what are you here for
22:12 bnchs; nothing but mindless trolling?
22:12 TR News; Free software brings people around the world together. Proprietary software brings intelligence agencies around the world together ("data sharing"... data about all of us).
22:13 TR News; "Papercups is an open-source self-hosted live customer support tool web app written in Elixir language." https://medevel.com/papercups/
22:13 TR Bot; Add a live chat to your website or web app with Papercups
22:13 icu; well to dig up Bill privet shit sure isnt one of them
22:13 icu; i couldnt care less
22:13 TR News; Leon is your next open-source personal assistant https://medevel.com/leon-ai/
22:13 TR Bot; Leon is your next open-source personal assistant
22:14 TR News; sqlite-utils: a nice way to import data into SQLite for analysis https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/05/12/sqlite-utils--a-nice-way-to-import-data-into-sqlite/
22:14 TR Bot; sqlite-utils: a nice way to import data into SQLite for analysis
22:15 icu; i dont read the SUN nor anyof that pink crap
22:15 schestowitz-TR; the tabloids help gates
22:15 schestowitz-TR; by promoting the crank stuff
22:15 schestowitz-TR; and doing the decoy with BS stories
22:15 schestowitz-TR; to discredit the reality using similar-sounding fiction
22:16 icu; i dont care how verisimilitude it has
22:17 Ariadne; i spend the overwhelming majority of my time not thinking either way about RMS, but i will say that he did not simp for epstein in the MIT mailing list thread in question
22:17 TR News; Microsoft is not "Open Source Leader" https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/open-source-leaders-push-wh-for-security-action-176531.html
22:17 TR Bot; Source Leaders Push WH for Security Action | LinuxInsider
22:18 TR News; White House Asking Proprietary Software Companies That Add NSA Back Doors About Their Views on Open Source Security http://techrights.org/2022/01/14/white-house-security-theatre/
22:18 TR Bot; White House Asking Proprietary Software Companies That Add NSA Back Doors About Their Views on Open Source Security | Techrights
22:19 TR News; There is no "Magic" to it. Pure marketing. https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-alternatives-apple-magic-keyboard/
22:19 TR Bot; 9 of the Best Alternatives to Apple's Magic Keyboard - Make Tech Easier
22:19 TR News; Introducing Easy Bookworm https://bkhome.org/news/202205/introducing-easy-bookworm.html Source: bkhome | easyOS
22:19 TR Bot; Introducing Easy Bookworm
22:20 TR News; ZDNet is once again helping Microsoft's attacks on GNU/Linux. I don't even want to link to that...
22:21 TR News; ZDNet "Linux" section... brought to you by Microsoft media operatives like Mary Jo Foley. Avoid that site. They tarnish the brand. http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet#2022
22:21 TR Bot; ZDNet - Techrights
22:21 TR News; Remi Collet: PHP version 8.0.19 and 8.1.6 https://blog.remirepo.net/post/2022/05/13/PHP-version-8.0.19-and-8.1.6
22:21 TR Bot; PHP version 8.0.19 and 8.1.6 - Remi's RPM repository - Blog
22:22 TR News; Debian (which we use on four machines) manages to recruit just one Developer a month. Not enough, DPL admits. Maybe they need better leadership. https://bits.debian.org/2022/05/new-developers-2022-04.html
22:22 TR Bot; New Debian Developers and Maintainers (March and April 2022) - Bits from Debian
22:23 icu; who defines what dependencies a program needs?
22:23 TR News; EasyOS .img file now not compressed https://bkhome.org/news/202205/easyos-img-file-now-not-compressed.html Source: bkhome
22:23 TR Bot; EasyOS .img file now not compressed
22:23 icu; i bet many dont need as much has they claim
22:23 icu; just like app store apps with permissions
22:25 icu; the spywareSOs store
22:25 icu; LOL
22:25 icu; spyware as a service
22:26 icu; and people think google fb apple profits come from advertising
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22:27 TR News; LF brags about Windows program developed on Microsoft's proprietary prison https://linuxfoundation.org/featured/the-open-3d-foundation-announces-latest-enhancements-to-open-3d-engine-invites-o3dcon-call-for-proposals/
22:27 TR Bot; The Open 3D Foundation Announces Latest Enhancements toOpen 3D Engine, Invites O3DCon 'Call for Proposals' - Linux Foundation
22:28 TR News; GNU/Linux Out Loud: "Welcome to episode 13 of Linux Out Loud. We fired up our mics, connected those headphones as we searched the community for themes to expound upon. We kept the banter friendly, the conversation somewhat on topic, and had fun doing it." https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/linux-out-loud/lol-13/
22:28 TR Bot; Distro of the Fledgling - Linux Out Loud - TuxDigital
22:29 TR News; The Second Best Time to Protect Your Privacy - Purism https://puri.sm/posts/the-second-best-time-to-protect-your-privacy/ Source: purism
22:29 TR Bot; The Second Best Time to Protect Your Privacy Purism
22:30 TR News; openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/19 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164809#comment-33660
22:30 TR Bot; GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines
22:31 icu; https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/13/calling-a-man-bald-counts-as-sexual-harassment-uk-judge-rules.html
↺ https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/13/calling-a-man-bald-counts-as-sexual-harassment-uk-judge-rules.html
22:31 TR Bot; Calling a man bald counts as sexual harassment, UK judge rules
22:32 TR News; IP3 Awards Nominations - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/ip3nominations/ Source: publicknowledge (sadly now infiltrated by Microsoft)
22:32 TR Bot; IP3 Awards Nominations - Public Knowledge
22:32 schestowitz-TR; icu
22:32 icu; heil to england if only Bill would be a UK citizen
22:32 schestowitz-TR; let me get this right
22:32 schestowitz-TR; you post the above "man bites dog" clickbair
22:32 schestowitz-TR; while accusing a TECHRIGHTS news bot in #TECHRIGHTS IRC of "spamming"
22:32 schestowitz-TR; for posting tech news?
22:33 schestowitz-TR; and then want to be taken seriously?
22:33 schestowitz-TR; the above link is all gender wars
22:33 schestowitz-TR; trying to incite genders against one another
22:33 schestowitz-TR; the "men as victim" crowd
22:34 schestowitz-TR; if you don't want to seem like a troll, then quit acting like one
22:34 icu; bla bla bla
22:34 schestowitz-TR; yeah
22:34 schestowitz-TR; e4xactly
22:34 bnchs; this is probably just a kid
22:34 icu; i didnt made up this story
22:34 schestowitz-TR; there are two channels suitable for CNBC clickbait
22:34 *oarion7 (~anonymous@user/oarion7) has joined #techrights
22:34 schestowitz-TR; #techpol and #boycottnovell-social
22:35 schestowitz-TR; so we can focus on tech here
22:35 schestowitz-TR; and now argue about divisive gender wars
22:35 icu; maybe flooding is a better wording
22:36 TR News; ZDNet spews out "LINUX" to promote MICROSOFT PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE.
22:36 schestowitz-TR; icu: you can mute it
22:36 icu; are you gona CoC me now?
22:36 schestowitz-TR; if it's too much for you
22:36 schestowitz-TR; see MOTD in this network
22:36 schestowitz-TR; we don't have a CoC
22:36 schestowitz-TR; we expect people to not be "dicks"
22:36 icu; sounded like it
22:36 schestowitz-TR; and to behave reasonably OK
22:36 schestowitz-TR; you name-call
22:36 icu; trying to incite genders against one another
22:36 schestowitz-TR; so people will liekly ignore you
22:37 Ariadne; techrights is not SOC2 certified
22:37 schestowitz-TR; until you get bored
22:37 Ariadne; so sad
22:37 *schestowitz-TR back to posting links
22:37 icu; LOL
22:37 bnchs; icu: pissed off?
22:37 icu; you and your half a dosen of sad peeps
22:37 bnchs; sure i'll post more links
22:38 TR News; Look what companies are in this thing. They relay everyone's data to the NSA. That itself is a data breach. https://www.darkreading.com/application-security/linux-openssf-champion-10-point-plan-to-improve-open-source-security
22:38 TR Bot; Linux, OpenSSF Champion Plan to Improve Open Source Security
22:38 icu; so will i
22:38 bnchs; cool
22:39 icu; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/calling-a-man-bald-is-sexual-harassment-employment-tribunal-rules
22:39 TR Bot; Calling a man bald is sexual harassment, employment tribunal rules | Sexual harassment | The Guardian
22:39 icu; is this more palative to you your highness
22:39 TR News; Steven Vaughan-Nichols is paid to have become a corporate writer for corporate front group, with his occasional defamation against the community
22:40 Ariadne; schestowitz-TR: while i am skeptical that the OpenSSF will actually do anything useful, only a handful of the companies involved participate in PRISM :upside
22:40 Ariadne; wow, stupid fucking irc client
22:40 schestowitz-TR; Ariadne: yes it's not all bad
22:41 schestowitz-TR; but they will not pursue a full solution
22:41 schestowitz-TR; the approach they have is
22:41 schestowitz-TR; we need your data
22:41 schestowitz-TR; we pass it around
22:41 schestowitz-TR; but trust us
22:41 schestowitz-TR; notice no chinese and russian companies there
22:41 schestowitz-TR; it's not about security
22:41 schestowitz-TR; it's six-eyes
22:42 Ariadne; you are aware that there are sanctions in place, right
22:42 schestowitz-TR; yes
22:42 schestowitz-TR; and LF complies
22:42 schestowitz-TR; because LF is part of that
22:42 icu; six-eyes is all bout security
22:42 Ariadne; i mean they don't really have any option but to comply
22:42 schestowitz-TR; sad
22:42 Ariadne; failure to comply is literally a crime
22:42 schestowitz-TR; maybe we should re-decentralise Linux
22:42 schestowitz-TR; like when it was in Helsinki
22:42 Ariadne; the FSF also complies with the same sanctions
22:42 schestowitz-TR; Helsinki is not yet in NATO
22:42 schestowitz-TR; or six-eyes
22:43 schestowitz-TR; and it doesn't send data to the fusion centres
22:43 Ariadne; they deactivated the memberships of russian contributors because of the sanctions
22:43 schestowitz-TR; intereting
22:43 schestowitz-TR; I saw no reports on that..
22:43 schestowitz-TR; LibreOffice/TDF did something
22:43 schestowitz-TR; but not for contributors
22:43 schestowitz-TR; for a sponsor
22:44 icu; The Price of Security is Eternal Vigilance -> thats what they think off "securtity"
22:44 Ariadne; schestowitz-TR: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-02/msg00056.html
22:44 TR Bot; Re: Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?
22:44 Ariadne; schestowitz-TR: no more FSF membership for russians at the moment :)
22:44 icu; civil liberty be damned
22:45 schestowitz-TR; "Vigilance" = mass surveillance, intelligence
22:45 icu; im i my brothers keeper? YES
22:45 schestowitz-TR; https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-02/msg00055.html
22:45 TR Bot; Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?
22:46 schestowitz-TR; (just for context)
22:46 schestowitz-TR; we covered this in techriughts
22:46 schestowitz-TR; how FSF treads carefully
22:46 schestowitz-TR; and tries to dodge the issues
22:47 schestowitz; e.g. http://techrights.org/2022/03/03/from-ukraine-with-love/
22:47 TR Bot; Message to LibrePlanet (From Ukraine) Censored But Not Ignored | Techrights
22:47 schestowitz-TR; FSF is ina tough place...
22:47 schestowitz-TR; Boston
22:48 schestowitz-TR; and a political climate where you must presume all russians are evil
22:48 schestowitz-TR; and ban them
22:48 schestowitz-TR; else, you are "with Putin"
22:48 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86 is Russian and is strongly against Putin
22:48 schestowitz-TR; he also contributesd a lot to gnu/linux
22:48 schestowitz-TR; contributes
22:48 schestowitz-TR; so only a foolish org would sanction him
22:48 icu; racists love xenophobia
22:48 icu; its a steping stone
22:49 Ariadne; schestowitz-TR: unfortunately laws are laws
22:49 schestowitz-TR; laws change
22:49 Ariadne; they do
22:49 schestowitz-TR; and there is also civil disobedience
22:49 schestowitz; "laws are laws" http://techrights.org/2021/03/13/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-4/
22:49 TR Bot; EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part IV: The US CLOUD Act Passes Without Public Debate | Techrights
22:49 schestowitz-TR; no debate
22:50 schestowitz-TR; some lobbyists write law
22:50 schestowitz-TR; so laws are laws
22:50 schestowitz-TR; cause some rich people paid them to change the law
22:50 schestowitz-TR; and also bribed the politicians
22:50 schestowitz-TR; too busy tweeting instead of reading what bills they VOTE on
22:51 TR News; TPMs? No thanks!! https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/aws_tpm_smartnic/
22:51 TR Bot; Those NitroTPMs Amazon teased really are coming to AWS EC2 The Register
22:51 icu; politicians are only elected because the "algorithms" upvote them
22:52 TR News; AWS = data breach. You've given away all your data (and customers' data) to the government, usually a foreign government http://techrights.org/2021/03/13/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-4/
22:52 icu; so you really need to rub the spyware platforms in all the right ways
22:53 TR News; "The diffoscope maintainers are pleased to announce the release of diffoscope version 212." https://diffoscope.org/news/diffoscope-212-released/
22:53 TR Bot; diffoscope 212 released
22:54 icu; why did elon just spent 44billions with out a care in the world
22:55 icu; that was the platform he didn't control
22:55 TR News; "Confidential computing" = security threatre. We stole all your data, but don't worry, we'll do "security things" to it. TRUST US! Linux Foundation: "Confidential computing" is fantastic. Companies that are bribing us while stealing your data pay us to say that. EPO also: http://techrights.org/2021/12/21/the-unlawful-normalised/
22:55 icu; you cant loose if you own all the cards
22:55 TR Bot; EPOs Privacy Violations Being Normalised | Techrights
22:55 schestowitz-TR; now he says they fake traffic
22:55 schestowitz-TR; which is correct
22:55 schestowitz-TR; so might not buy
22:55 schestowitz-TR; just let it sink to death
22:56 schestowitz-TR; same thing Microsoft and Icahn did to Yahoo!
22:56 schestowitz-TR; [16:06] <techrights-news> He's not wrong. Twitter is FAKING its numbers. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/musk_twitter_on_hold/ see https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/\
22:56 TR Bot; Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold over bot count The Register
22:56 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/\ )
22:56 schestowitz-TR; https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/
22:56 TR Bot; Twitter is Not as Important as the Media Wants Us to Believe | Techrights
22:56 icu; fake traffic? rgey do that? nooooooes waaaayyy
22:57 schestowitz-TR; FB does it too
22:57 icu; thats some conspiracy theory
22:57 schestowitz-TR; "everyone is doing it!!"
22:57 schestowitz-TR; They got sued over it
22:57 schestowitz-TR; and lost
22:57 schestowitz-TR; settled with shareholders
22:57 schestowitz-TR; FOMO requires false assumptions
22:58 icu; not in the USA the land of the free
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22:58 icu; NEVER!!
22:58 *goosestepping_ (~goosestepping@fvvmgk8pjamwa.irc) has joined #techrights
22:59 icu; https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/13/23070306/elon-musk-twitter-deal-on-hold-spam-inauthentic-accounts
22:59 TR Bot; Elon Musk says Twitter deal temporarily on hold - The Verge
23:00 schestowitz-TR; he is RIGHT
23:00 schestowitz-TR; I can't believe I say this
23:00 schestowitz-TR; but..
23:00 schestowitz-TR; he got lots of free press
23:00 schestowitz-TR; that's him main skill
23:00 schestowitz-TR; like Trump
23:00 schestowitz-TR; attracting free media coverage
23:00 schestowitz-TR; he might not spend a dime AND>..
23:00 schestowitz-TR; and a shareholder profit from this
23:01 icu; at least he deosent make a complete fool of him self like trump
23:01 icu; just fool enough to be deemed wited
23:02 schestowitz-TR; [10:40] <techrights-news> "The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) is reportedly investigating Elon Musks delayed reporting after he acquired a sizable stake" https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3485554-feds-investigating-musks-late-disclosure-of-twitter-stake-report/ | Source: The Hill
23:02 TR Bot; Feds investigating Musks late disclosure of Twitter stake: report | The Hill
23:02 schestowitz-TR; (this week)
23:02 Ariadne; schestowitz-TR: actually i just noticed Alibaba is part of OpenSSF, and they are chinese
23:02 schestowitz-TR; ah, OK, a token one :-)
23:03 schestowitz-TR; japan is six eyes
23:03 schestowitz-TR; there are several of those
23:03 schestowitz-TR; maybe LF got special permission from DoD ;-)
23:03 schestowitz-TR; same for the board
23:03 icu; china is a 1billion eye
23:03 TR News; Software: diffoscope, Leon, Papercups, and Cockpit Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164822
23:03 TR Bot; Software: diffoscope, Leon, Papercups, and Cockpit | Tux Machines
23:03 icu; so the west got alot of catching up
23:04 bnchs; chinese devices have more insecurities
23:04 bnchs; and i don't know why
23:04 goosestepping_; good day, citizens.
23:04 icu; insecurities? no ... security features
23:04 schestowitz-TR; did someone measure?
23:04 schestowitz-TR; and break it down by country of OEM?
23:05 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, there's a chinese company that makes CCTV cameras
23:05 bnchs; called dahua
23:05 schestowitz-TR; countries are "not good" at finding their own holes... that they plan to be there
23:05 bnchs; they had many security vulnerabilites which either allowed attackers full access to the CCTV system
23:05 icu; goggle is shuting down proper avenues from the store so they need other ways
23:05 bnchs; or/and the LAN
23:05 schestowitz-TR; CCTV was supposed to be CLOSED circuit
23:05 schestowitz-TR; and now LAN or Internet connected
23:05 schestowitz-TR; those are stupid toys
23:05 bnchs; they actually tried to DOWNPLAY the vulnerabilites
23:05 schestowitz-TR; and gizmos unfit for purpose
23:05 bnchs; and even failed to patch those for years
23:06 schestowitz-TR; like an intercom that goes through gulag
23:06 schestowitz-TR; when you could instead just wire the two ends
23:06 icu; just like xisco routers
23:07 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, you can find many exposed dahua devices
23:07 bnchs; even with unpatched vulnerabilites
23:07 bnchs; shows how much secure china is
23:08 schestowitz-TR; seems like a bad solution
23:08 schestowitz-TR; that ought not be deployed
23:08 schestowitz-TR; I would not trust the western ones eithere
23:08 schestowitz-TR; probably "Alexa-enabled" junk
23:08 schestowitz-TR; a government-connected microphone inside your own home
23:08 schestowitz-TR; Orwell would turn in the grave, or Winston
23:09 bnchs; what would you trust the most
23:09 bnchs; a computer with pfsense installed
23:09 bnchs; or some unknown brand name router
23:09 schestowitz-TR; what is that computer?
23:09 schestowitz-TR; the computer too can have issues
23:09 schestowitz-TR; pfsense wants a net connection
23:10 Ariadne; i use PCEngines APU2 with coreboot
23:10 schestowitz-TR; who knows that the ethernet adapter does
23:10 Ariadne; and alpine
23:10 Ariadne;
23:10 bnchs; ofc you use alpine
23:10 schestowitz-TR; it is more minimalist, smaller attack surface
23:11 Ariadne; idk busybox is a pretty huge attack surface
23:11 schestowitz-TR; you don't want your car to have apache with open 81 port
23:11 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, yeah and intel me and all that
23:11 bnchs; ISPs are starting to crack down on "unauthorized" routers
23:11 bnchs; and starting to force people to use THEIR routers
23:12 Ariadne; strange isp
23:12 bnchs; for security or some shit
23:12 Ariadne; i use a local one which does not care at all
23:12 schestowitz-TR; sometimes just being offline is
23:12 schestowitz-TR; 1) eay
23:12 schestowitz-TR; *erasy
23:12 schestowitz-TR; and 2) safe
23:12 schestowitz-TR; today we shopped with no tracking on us
23:12 schestowitz-TR; paid cash
23:12 Ariadne; they gave me an SFP+ module and i plugged it into my APU2
23:12 bnchs; Ariadne, they don't enforce this on ADSL
23:12 *Ariadne shrug
23:12 schestowitz-TR; the masks further obscure ID, but it's for health reasons
23:12 bnchs; but on fibre optic they do
23:13 schestowitz-TR; our shopping list is our shopping list
23:13 XRevan86; schestowitz: I'm legally not allowed to approve of sanctions.
23:13 schestowitz-TR; not "big data"
23:13 bnchs; but you have a cool ISP
23:13 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: your presidentviolates the conastitution
23:13 icu; today we shopped with no tracking on us > only the CCTV tracked you
23:13 schestowitz-TR; make him a deal
23:13 schestowitz-TR; you will obey the law when he does.. or dies
23:14 schestowitz-TR; icu: no
23:14 schestowitz-TR; the cctv knows nothing about me
23:14 XRevan86; schestowitz: Tempting, but I doubt Comrade Major will relay that deal.
23:14 Ariadne; obscuring ID is good
23:14 schestowitz-TR; I have a bike hemmet and 2 masks
23:14 Ariadne; normalize masks
23:14 schestowitz-TR; *helmet
23:14 schestowitz-TR; and the shop is 8 km from us
23:14 bnchs; all i could understand from this is they're doing this because their routers have backdoors
23:14 XRevan86; https://github.com/DeaDBeeF-Player/deadbeef/commit/d68495890fab7e3ac63674df72d8de82a592d78f sigh
23:14 TR Bot; unsupported language localization DeaDBeeF-Player/deadbeef@d684958 GitHub
23:15 bnchs; probably doing this*
23:15 icu; CCTV can track plates RZ
23:15 icu; EZ
23:15 bnchs; depends on the quality of the camera
23:15 icu; thats even better
23:15 *schestowitz-TR thinks fridges should not have microphones and cameras in them... or ethernet components... or wifi
23:15 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, do you think toilets should have them
23:15 bnchs; or your sink
23:16 icu; did you politilly ask the CCTV if it was able to track you?
23:16 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: some people think they should
23:16 schestowitz-TR; we need to talk to these people
23:16 schestowitz-TR; CCTV is useless
23:16 icu; WC fack mirrors
23:16 schestowitz; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2013/05/25/surveillance/
23:16 TR Bot; Blog Archive CCTV Not Effective
23:16 icu; fake
23:17 icu; fake mirrors on WC thats comon practice
23:17 TR News; NetworkManager 1.38 Released with IPv6 and Wi-Fi Hotspot Improvements, More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164823
23:17 TR Bot; NetworkManager 1.38 Released with IPv6 and Wi-Fi Hotspot Improvements, More | Tux Machines
23:17 icu; and they samplke you poop for drugs
23:18 icu; and urine
23:18 icu; its a public bathroom!
23:18 icu; public piss and poop
23:18 icu; its a free for all
23:19 icu; besides DNA
23:19 schestowitz-TR; for your health
23:19 schestowitz-TR; and safety
23:19 bnchs; they put cameras in toilet
23:19 schestowitz-TR; and fitness
23:19 Ariadne; so many of these enterprise "open source supply chain security" things are such a joke
23:19 schestowitz-TR; they trst it for you
23:19 schestowitz-TR; and can report if you have cancer
23:19 Ariadne; they just check if github says it is legit or not
23:19 schestowitz-TR; it's a PUBLIC SERVICE
23:19 bnchs; 2015: that's bad, what a pervert
23:19 bnchs; 2022: lol they won't know it's me anyway
23:19 schestowitz-TR; Ariadne: yes, snakeoil
23:20 schestowitz-TR; I am going to do a chain of links about it in tuxmachines
23:20 schestowitz-TR; inc. one about NPM
23:20 schestowitz-TR; they always blame thevictim
23:20 schestowitz-TR; because Microsoft sent malware to them
23:20 Ariadne; schestowitz-TR: it is an important space, but like 90% snakeoil
23:20 icu; then you wonder why your health insurance gets pumped up?
23:20 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft does not check or scan what it sends to people
23:20 schestowitz-TR; and then it blames "open source" and the users of it
23:21 bnchs; npm
23:21 Ariadne; npm gets the "award" for "most improvement" in supply chain i guess
23:21 icu; open source meaning goglle
23:21 bnchs; it's both brandon and node.js's fault
23:21 schestowitz-TR; icu: we have national health insurance
23:21 Ariadne; they are still terrible
23:21 schestowitz-TR; so you do not get penalised either way
23:21 icu; if that good enough for you
23:22 bnchs; the amount of languages relying on their own package manager is rising
23:22 schestowitz-TR; CSO of GitHub is NSA
23:22 schestowitz-TR; makes you wonder
23:22 schestowitz-TR; what "security" means toi GitHub (Microsoft)
23:22 schestowitz-TR; Russia should not trust downloads from there
23:22 schestowitz-TR; except maybe with Tor/VPN
23:23 icu; bnchs divide and conquer
23:23 bnchs; microsoft is known (and still known) for having horrible QA
23:23 bnchs; or quality control
23:23 TR News; Red Hat/Fedora Family and IBM Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164824
23:23 TR Bot; Red Hat/Fedora Family and IBM | Tux Machines
23:23 bnchs; they will let in some dangerous packages
23:24 schestowitz-TR; no no..
23:24 schestowitz-TR; you got it all wrong
23:24 schestowitz-TR; it's all about trust
23:24 icu; microsoft is known (and still known) for having horrible QA THEY JUST HAD PEOPLE UNISTALLING UPDATES
23:24 schestowitz-TR; CAs
23:24 schestowitz-TR; chain of trust
23:24 schestowitz-TR; trust Gulag
23:24 schestowitz-TR; Trust GitHub
23:24 schestowitz-TR; don't trust your friends
23:24 schestowitz-TR; self-signed site from the MAKER OF ITS OWN SOFTWARE? BAD.
23:24 schestowitz-TR; Need to OUTSOURCE trust.
23:24 bnchs; npm's system is flawed
23:24 icu; just the pain of having to install them just to uninstall them
23:24 schestowitz-TR; DoD knows best
23:24 bnchs; because it's easy to just put your packages
23:24 bnchs; without any verifications
23:25 schestowitz-TR; or change them
23:25 bnchs; unlike GNU/Linux distributions, where they do strict testing
23:25 schestowitz-TR; wordpress had this issue way back in 2004
23:25 icu; it takes ages to install MS updates on my machines
23:25 schestowitz-TR; when i was more involved]
23:25 schestowitz-TR; they realise people would upload extensions, themes, or both
23:25 schestowitz-TR; and change them to do malicious things
23:25 schestowitz-TR; either for harm or financial gain
23:25 schestowitz-TR; so Alex King started to manually study the submissions
23:26 schestowitz-TR; but then each version needs checking again
23:26 schestowitz-TR; and as software gets more bloated it's impossible to keep up
23:26 schestowitz-TR; someone asked in Debian's mailing lists about it last month
23:26 schestowitz-TR; instead they shifted to another topi
23:26 schestowitz-TR; non-free/firmware
23:26 schestowitz-TR; so the original topic was 'forgotten'
23:26 schestowitz-TR; even just 1 or 2 among 1000 debian contributors can be spies
23:26 schestowitz-TR; for nsa
23:27 schestowitz-TR; or bnd
23:27 schestowitz-TR; or kipo
23:27 icu; i got lots of warnning about missing firmwares for AMDGPU
23:27 schestowitz-TR; and if they upload to the ftp/similar some rogue package that many packages use
23:27 schestowitz-TR; like ooenssl
23:27 icu; last kernel update
23:27 Ariadne; 5:26 PM <schestowitz-TR> even just 1 or 2 among 1000 debian contributors can be spies
23:27 schestowitz-TR; they can do huge damage
23:27 icu; what was that about?
23:27 schestowitz-TR; even with just 2 lines of code changed, to lower entropy
23:27 Ariadne; i am planning to revise alpine's developer access background check guidelines to deal with this
23:27 schestowitz-TR; yeah
23:27 schestowitz-TR; you shoulkd
23:28 schestowitz-TR; and core packages need careful double-checking
23:28 schestowitz-TR; some distros would not adopt latest version of these until 6-12 months later
23:29 bnchs; the problem with npm's design
23:29 schestowitz-TR; debian chain of treust is just one dd signing for another new dd
23:29 schestowitz-TR; in theory gchq can blackmail or bribe either, or both..
23:29 Ariadne; the problem with npm's design is the same problem as pypi, etc
23:29 icu; do you know way i got lots of warnings about AMGPU missing firmware?
23:29 bnchs; is that it lacks the double checking distributions would usually do
23:29 Ariadne; there is no review
23:29 schestowitz-TR; can even write the patch for them
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23:29 bnchs; Ariadne, yes
23:29 schestowitz-TR; or do so without disclosing the source or intent
23:29 *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@bkb7tdc7zpz6c.irc) has joined #techrights
23:29 schestowitz-TR; they blackmailed the brother of a friend here, 15+ years ago
23:29 schestowitz-TR; jail or work for us
23:30 schestowitz-TR; after he has tinkered with some BT exchanges
23:30 Ariadne; a mitigation is that developers should sign their releases
23:30 *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights
23:30 Ariadne; but PKI is hard
23:30 schestowitz-TR; many people lost faith in a lot of the toolchains
23:30 schestowitz-TR; and make their own
23:31 schestowitz-TR; or form a new circle of trust
23:31 schestowitz-TR; openbsd seems meticulous
23:31 icu; opensuse just elected GCC12 to be the standrd compiler
23:32 Ariadne; alpine 3.17 will also use gcc12
23:32 schestowitz-TR; tumbleweed has just adopted it
23:32 schestowitz-TR; [20:58] <techrights-news> Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/
23:33 TR Bot; Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights
23:33 schestowitz-TR; many in SUSE work on GCC
23:33 icu; i thought llvm was better or more perfomant
23:33 Ariadne; i already have the packages staged, but we are frozen for alpine 3.16 release atm
23:33 Ariadne; icu: it depends
23:34 schestowitz; https://lwn.net/Articles/582242/
23:34 TR Bot; on GCC, LLVM, and copyleft [LWN.net]
23:34 schestowitz; https://gcc.gnu.org/legacy-ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html
23:34 TR Bot; Richard Stallman - Re: clang vs free software
23:34 bnchs; alpine helped me a bit when i was using openrc
23:34 bnchs; copying the init scripts from alpine's code
23:34 schestowitz; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU4MjA
23:34 TR Bot; Stallman Calls LLVM A "Terrible Setback" - Phoronix
23:36 Ariadne; icu: LLVM MIR allows for some kinds of optimizations to be done more easily, at the cost of other optimizations
23:36 TR News; Misguided Security Theatre Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164825
23:36 TR Bot; Misguided Security Theatre | Tux Machines
23:36 TR News; Debian: New Contributors, Bookworm-Based EasyOS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164826
23:36 TR Bot; Debian: New Contributors, Bookworm-Based EasyOS | Tux Machines
23:36 Ariadne; MIR is easier to write than GIMPLE
23:37 Ariadne; also, GCC has had the advantage of being around longer, and is still an interesting target for researchers working on new optimization methods, because LLVM is more... corporate
23:38 Ariadne; so for raw performance, GCC is still ahead in a lot of ways
23:38 Ariadne; but for things like security mitigations, LLVM is much more advanced
23:38 *matey (~matey@ftgrpexbhfxyc.irc) has joined #techrights
23:38 TR News; KVM: VMX: enable IPI virtualization https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git/commit/?h=next&id=694599c8267d862085324bc1f6ef5e8014abc5c0
23:38 TR Bot; kvm/kvm.git - kernel-based virtual machine - kvm
23:38 matey; the fucking spineless foundation has to follow laws, yes
23:39 matey; but it doesnt have to like them
23:39 TR News; thunderbolt: Add support for XDomain lane bonding https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git/commit/?h=next&id=8e1de7042596abb7cb277ea751fc13a4c2b65aea
23:39 TR Bot; kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git - Thunderbolt and USB4 development tree
23:39 matey; when it starts complaining about having to follow laws, instead of spinelessly and silently complying
23:39 matey; then we can say "well what do you want? its the law"
23:39 matey; until then its just spinelessness
23:39 TR News; x86/cpu: Add new VMX feature, Tertiary VM-Execution control https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git/commit/?h=next&id=121383d0107ee8a6cd2c75a1a132d7a63f9cb0a0
23:39 TR Bot; kvm/kvm.git - kernel-based virtual machine - kvm
23:39 matey; but this is a small part of a broader, similar picture going on for years
23:39 matey; its not that they do what they have to do
23:40 matey; they just. dont. fucking. care. at all.
23:40 matey; they should, they would, they did. they dont.
23:40 matey; one more example changes nothing, its just another confirmation on a mountain of confirmation
23:40 Ariadne; i mean i have lots of skepticism of all of these corporate players
23:41 TR News; Finally not forcing you to pay for Windows, at long last! https://www.itsfoss.net/beelink-ser-4-4800u-x-new-mini-pc-with-manjaro-pre-installed/
23:41 TR Bot; SER 4 4800U X, new mini-PC with Manjaro pre-installed - itsfoss.net
23:42 TR News; WSL is WINDOWS, it is NOT "Linux" https://www.xda-developers.com/does-lenovo-thinkpad-x1-yoga-gen-7-run-linux/
23:42 TR Bot; Does the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga Gen 7 run Linux?
23:42 matey; theo de raadt has gotten shit for using the fact that openbsd is canadian to be lax about export restrictions that dont exist in canada :)
23:42 matey; i think they overplay (or fabricate) (his opponents i mean) any non-compliance
23:42 matey; but even if they dont...
23:42 matey; thats great. perhaps suicidal, but great.
23:43 Ariadne; are you implying the FSF should move to canada?
23:43 matey; not at all
23:43 matey; i was hoping it was clear that id settle for their compliance
23:43 TR News; "[Free Software]UKs second State of [Free Software] survey is now live and runs until midnight BST on June 12, 2022." https://www.fosslife.org/take-2022-state-open-survey-openuk openwashing agenda, but focus on Free software instead
23:43 TR Bot; Take the 2022 State of Open Survey from OpenUK
23:43 matey; if they even bothered to complain about it while complying
23:43 matey; but theyre so fucking neutral now
23:43 matey; so conservative, in the sit on your arse and do nothing context of the word
23:43 matey; wait and see
23:43 TR News; "Chatwoot is an open-source, self-hosted customer engagement suite. Chatwoot lets you view and manage your customer data, communicate with them irrespective of which medium they use, and re-engage them based on their profile." https://medevel.com/chatwoot/
23:43 TR Bot; Chatwoot is an open-source self-hosted custom support system
23:44 matey; wait for what? for fish to grow legs and walk and talk?
23:44 matey; its pathetic. all they do is wait and see
23:44 matey; theyre going to wait and see all the way to bankruptcy
23:44 icu; https://venturebeat.com/2022/05/13/how-much-will-it-cost-to-secure-open-source-software-openssf-says-147-9m/
23:44 TR Bot; much will it cost to secure open-source software? OpenSSF says $147.9M | VentureBeat
23:45 matey; wrong question
23:45 schestowitz-TR; worse: openbsd compromised its own funding
23:45 matey; how much would it take for windows and apple to GAIN the
23:45 schestowitz-TR; by speaking out against war
23:45 icu; 147.9M vs 44 billions for twitter LOL
23:45 schestowitz-TR; or militarism
23:45 matey; <schestowitz-TR> worse: openbsd compromised its own funding <- oh bollox
23:45 schestowitz-TR; which probably helped the project on the PR side
23:45 matey; same amount fsf took from google
23:45 SomeH4x0r; I can't access it because clown
23:45 matey; yes, everyone knows how good their pr is
23:45 schestowitz-TR; this is DARPA
23:45 schestowitz-TR; not Gulag
23:45 SomeH4x0r; so I guess I won't see what it is
23:45 matey; if you bothered with history
23:45 matey; bsd came from unix.
23:46 matey; so the point where thompson worked on bsd himself
23:46 Ariadne; i think 147.9m is an absurd proposal tbh
23:46 matey; netbsd came from bsd
23:46 Ariadne; there should just be no-strings-attached government grants for writing FOSS
23:46 matey; theo de raadt was a founder of netbsd
23:46 matey; openbsd is a direct fork of bsd
23:46 schestowitz-TR; Ariadne: maybe they assume all volunteers get paid like Zemlin
23:46 matey; so openbsd, if you knew history
23:46 matey; NEVER CAVED TO DOD
23:46 matey; they INHERITED the dod
23:46 Ariadne; schestowitz-TR: i wish i got paid like zemlin
23:46 schestowitz-TR; so 150 volunteers working for one year...
23:46 schestowitz-TR; 150 million
23:46 matey; from the 1970s
23:47 Ariadne; instead we decided employees would be nice
23:47 matey; blame the cold war, it was before openbsd existed
23:47 TR News; Julius is a lightweight open-source Speech Recognition Engine https://medevel.com/julius-speech/
23:47 TR Bot; Julius is a lightweight open-source Speech Recognition Engine
23:47 matey; if any of this was in an honest context
23:47 schestowitz-TR; I'm also sure that like Mitchell Bankler, Jim Zemlin is sure he's worth every penny
23:47 schestowitz-TR; *Banker
23:48 matey; it would be pointed out (again) that theos big anti-military-industrial-complex mouth LOST him funding
23:48 matey; and thats such a stallman-like thing to do
23:48 matey; hes NOT stallman
23:48 Ariadne; matey: yes i like theo for this
23:48 matey; he would hate the thought
23:48 matey; but you know, integrity is a wonderful thing
23:48 matey; and de raadt has it
23:48 matey; the only time i ever hated him, years ago
23:48 schestowitz-TR; theo earned trust over that
23:48 schestowitz-TR; even if darpa canned him
23:49 matey; theo earns trust for a LOT of things
23:49 schestowitz-TR; which likely made darpa look bad
23:49 matey; his biggest crime ever was dissing rms
23:49 schestowitz-TR; and darpa is the "nice" face of the military
23:49 matey; and when you learn the other side of the story
23:49 Ariadne; matey: "crime"
23:49 schestowitz-TR; like inqtel for cia
23:49 matey; his diss of rms wasnt entirely unfair
23:49 matey; it was reactionary, but sort of fair.
23:49 Ariadne; RMS showed up on openbsd-misc crying like a bitch
23:49 matey; well rms was unfair
23:49 matey; and he has been unfair to bsd ever since
23:49 matey; holding it to a higher standard than
23:50 matey; this leaves people like theo to point out the hypocrisy
23:50 schestowitz-TR; that was aged ago
23:50 matey; and thats fair game
23:50 Ariadne; its because bsd and linux actually shipped useful distributions, while his baby HURD is still vaporware
23:50 schestowitz-TR; and rms had given him an award
23:50 matey; it WAS ages ago
23:50 schestowitz-TR; *ages
23:50 matey; and its the only thing i ever hated theo de raadt for
23:50 matey; and when i learned the other side of the story i felt a bit silly for it
23:50 matey; because i probably would have learned a lot more about openbsd sooner otherwise
23:50 matey; instead, i was led to it by hyperbola
23:50 matey; you know, that fsf-approved distro.
23:51 matey; hyperbola rekindled my interest in openbsd
23:51 matey; it pointed the way
23:51 matey; thats where i got it from
23:51 matey; and you know, if hyperbola does nothing else (which seems possible)
23:51 matey; thats still something
23:52 TR News; "Some of you may have noticed, and in fact contacted me about this, that occasionally, Dedoimedo is not available. Specifically, when you try to access the site, you get an SSL certificate warning from your browser." The 'SSL pyramid scheme' has potential for so much censorship, too https://www.dedoimedo.com/index.html
23:52 TR Bot; - A Place to Learn a Lot About a Lot
23:52 matey; technically hyperbola is not a fork of openbsd but a fork of a fork
23:52 matey; but really i suppose its both
23:52 matey; its a fork of librebsd, which is a fork of openbsd
23:52 matey; librebsd is defunct
23:52 matey; as far as i know
23:53 schestowitz-TR; libressl too
23:53 schestowitz-TR; lack of maintainers this year, iirc
23:53 matey; is it?
23:53 schestowitz-TR; check the Web
23:53 schestowitz-TR; there was a blurb about it months ago
23:53 matey; im more than a little sceptical
23:53 schestowitz-TR; formal blurb
23:53 matey; what is openbsd using for ssl then
23:53 schestowitz-TR; we put that in Daily Links
23:54 schestowitz-TR; maybe it was the mailing lists
23:54 matey; it sounds like bs to me
23:54 schestowitz-TR; maybe lwn
23:54 matey; at best a misunderstanding
23:54 matey; more likely fud
23:54 matey; i dont care, i know openbsd will use a sane option for ssl
23:54 schestowitz; https://lwn.net/Articles/841664/
23:54 TR Bot; languishes on Linux [LWN.net]
23:54 matey; but i doubt theyre just going to let openssl rot
23:54 schestowitz; https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-01-05-libressl-support-discontinued.html
23:54 TR Bot; LibreSSL support discontinued Gentoo Linux
23:54 matey; i mean libressl
23:54 schestowitz; 2021
23:54 schestowitz; this is old
23:54 matey; and probably not accurate
23:55 schestowitz; https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmemes/comments/rfd77v/friendship_ended_with_libressl/
23:55 TR Bot; Friendship ended with LibreSSL : linuxmemes
23:55 schestowitz; https://www.hyperbola.info/news/end-of-openssl-support/
23:55 TR Bot; Hyperbola - News: End of OpenSSL support
23:55 matey; ill look at that one
23:55 schestowitz; 2018
23:55 schestowitz; "As LibreSSL follows the same goals than our packaging guidelines in stability and security concerns, we have decided to remove OpenSSL and use LibreSSL as our default provider of Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) and Transport Layer Security (TLS) protocols. The decision means that the Milky Way v0.2 will be the last version supporting OpenSSL."
23:55 schestowitz-TR; in 2022 there was an update
23:56 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/04/25/libressl-3-5-2/
23:56 TR Bot; Links 25/04/2022: LibreSSL 3.5.2 and More Twitter Controversies | Techrights
23:56 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/tor-browser-11-0-9/
23:56 TR Bot; Links 19/3/2022: Tor Browser 11.0.9 and LibreSSL 3.5.1/3.4.3/3.3.6 | Techrights
23:56 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/02/libressl-3-5-0/
23:56 TR Bot; Links 2/3/2022: Arti 0.1.0 and LibreSSL 3.5.0 | Techrights
23:57 matey; in 2022 there was an update <- cant seem to find this
23:57 matey; have barely looked though
23:57 schestowitz-TR; me neither, still looking
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23:57 matey; i mean openbsd doesnt hinge on libressl
23:57 schestowitz-TR; let me grep Daily Links files
23:57 matey; they will use what they have to
23:57 matey; but i doubt they would let libressl die
23:58 matey; they really dont like subpar shit, and openssl is shit by their standards afaik
23:58 matey; til grapheneos uses openbsd malloc
23:58 matey; i dont think openbsd is the most important os that will ever exist
23:59 matey; i think its important right now, maybe for a long time
23:59 matey; some stability in a sea of unstable shit
23:59 matey; when linux gets rust, theo will laugh
23:59 matey; openbsd: the forkable operating system that doesnt suck
23:59 matey; its all relative. gnu/linux just gets easier and easier to compare with as the standards get lower
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