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[05:07] Techrights-sec does irclog2html.py have UTF-8 problems?
[05:07] Techrights-sec ^scratch that. looking elsewhere
[05:07] Techrights-sec fixed
[05:08] schestowitz-TR gm
[05:08] schestowitz-TR I may have overslept a bit
[05:08] schestowitz-TR mild headache
[05:08] schestowitz-TR not de to stress
[05:08] schestowitz-TR there was no stress at all
[05:08] Techrights-sec gm
[05:08] Techrights-sec np
[05:08] Techrights-sec stress from yesterday? light workout usually helps
[05:08] Techrights-sec good
[05:13] schestowitz-TR today the plan is to cycle and bring back food 'downhill'
[05:13] schestowitz-TR because it should be nice and sunny
[05:13] schestowitz-TR and I want to be out more
[05:13] schestowitz-TR I should stiill be able to produce a lot
[05:13] schestowitz-TR this is consideered exercise
[05:13] schestowitz-TR I need ti kearn where I can shave off time, other than sleep
[05:13] schestowitz-TR sleeping too little tends to cause headache after a bit
[05:13] schestowitz-TR and the only way to make them go away is make up the hours
[05:14] Techrights-sec nice
[05:14] Techrights-sec sleep and exercise cannot be skimped on, food sometimes depending on the balance
[05:14] schestowitz-TR food is not the issue and we still find good prices
[05:14] schestowitz-TR that might come in handy is we halve our working hours
[05:14] schestowitz-TR *if
[05:24] Techrights-sec ack
[05:24] Techrights-sec should the Misinformation/Disinformation heading become
[05:24] Techrights-sec Misinformation/Disinformation/Propaganda ?
[05:24] schestowitz-TR I think that would overlap "Astro>Turf
[05:25] Techrights-sec ok, should Propaganda be explicitly in Astroturf ? there is kind of a grey area
[05:25] Techrights-sec between the astroturf and disinformation some stuff falls into both
[05:25] Techrights-sec it's been a growing problem for some weeks
[05:26] schestowitz-TR Maybe we should refactor these and make more categs
[05:26] schestowitz-TR like misinformation
[05:26] schestowitz-TR being separate from prpopagnada/disinof
[05:26] schestowitz-TR and politics being its own categ
[05:27] Techrights-sec ok
[05:28] schestowitz-TR one area of improvement, which I don;t think would affect any existing code, is dynamic insec at
[05:28] schestowitz-TR the top for html, it still uses an old static one
[05:28] schestowitz-TR in lagrance it can have bookmarks for the page, based on the headings
[05:29] Techrights-sec yes the head can be changed. So an index with internal links would be helpful?
[05:30] schestowitz-TR currently it has in it categs that used to be always occupied, but it was speculative
[05:30] schestowitz-TR around 2008
[05:31] Techrights-sec Oh, perhaps it could be an index generated based on which categories actually
[05:31] Techrights-sec have content?
[05:33] schestowitz-TR yes, but I never went as far as implementing thisa
[05:33] schestowitz-TR and until years ago the background still says "boycott novell" in dimmed colours
[05:33] schestowitz-TR some sites tried to imitate these daily links
[05:33] schestowitz-TR before realising it was too much work to maintain on a daily basis
[05:33] schestowitz-TR for us it's part of the frowl looking for topic to cover
[05:35] Techrights-sec yes
[05:37] schestowitz-TR it also does, in general, makes you a better informed citizen
[05:38] schestowitz-TR which can help you avoid many perils in life
[05:38] schestowitz-TR (rianne watches "too much" gulagtube... mostly harmful channels... but the
[05:38] schestowitz-TR "recommended" over time steer her towards clickbair utter junk)
[05:38] schestowitz-TR *harmless I meant
[05:38] schestowitz-TR not harmful
[05:38] schestowitz-TR gulagtube steers her towards the harmful ones
[05:38] Techrights-sec yes youtube pushes constantly, there is always a risk of getting warn down
[05:38] Techrights-sec I use it too much (meaning still even at all) but nearly 100% of the time
[05:38] Techrights-sec it is when following a specific external link to a specific video decided
[05:38] Techrights-sec in advance
[05:40] schestowitz-TR I have to lookm away or almost shuit my eyes if I enter the front page to enter some search phrase
[05:40] schestowitz-TR this means their interface is neither useful nor healthy
[05:40] schestowitz-TR twitter is a lot like this too
[05:40] schestowitz-TR "I come here ONLY to do X"
[05:40] schestowitz-TR "stop messing with my head"
[05:40] Techrights-sec yes I don't look at twitter at all
[05:40] Techrights-sec if it is like youtube it is hard to avoid seeing the thumbnails for the
[05:40] Techrights-sec "recommendations"
[05:42] schestowitz-TR in twitter and gulagtube you need to place the browser window about 300pixels to the outside of the raster
[05:42] schestowitz-TR depending on screen resolution as they have a "fluid" design
[05:42] schestowitz-TR so it's not even predictable
[05:42] schestowitz-TR in old rekonq I wrote some rules to just eliminate those sections
[05:42] schestowitz-TR but browsers and sites keep changing
[05:45] schestowitz-TR you know they go too far where you have the digital equiv of "what did I come to the kitchen for??"
[05:46] Techrights-sec it is that way on purpose. when that happens I close the tab to avoid
[05:46] Techrights-sec playing into their trap
[05:47] schestowitz-TR invidious reproduced a little bit of this behavious (sidebar, front page)
[05:47] schestowitz-TR but it's free software
[05:47] schestowitz-TR though I did not see instances thst change this default behaviour
[05:52] Techrights-sec yes
[05:52] Techrights-sec I think I see a way to do the Table of Contents
[05:52] Techrights-sec It would use an id attribute in each heading and then harvest those from
[05:52] Techrights-sec the non-empty nodes
[05:54] schestowitz-TR that would be an improvement
[05:54] schestowitz-TR iirc, in gemtext the section with these gets lumped into the main text
[05:54] schestowitz-TR an even super-duper version will also count
under a section, somehow, then add a number in
[05:54] schestowitz-TR brackets
[05:58] schestowitz-TR "As enforced by these corporate apparatchiks of Managerialism, university academics are obliged to compete by means of publishing in the so-called top journals, and to stockpile (quantity over quality) ever greater numbers of publications than their peers." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/12/academentia-and-managerialism/ | Source: Counter Punch
[05:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Academentia and Managerialism - CounterPunch.org
[05:59] schestowitz-TR IME, many publish the same crap over and over again
● May 13
[06:00] schestowitz-TR with small tweaks of newer bits tucked in
[06:00] schestowitz-TR to game the system
[06:00] schestowitz-TR publcation and research are not the same thing
[06:00] schestowitz-TR it's like assessing a workout based on number of reps
[06:00] schestowitz-TR or a relationship based on total income
[06:01] schestowitz-TR (few people even bother readon these papers in full, lecturing means greater audience than
[06:01] schestowitz-TR some paper with 100 views of the abstract and 10 views of the actual paper, which month later is
[06:01] schestowitz-TR "old")
[06:02] Techrights-sec looking
[06:03] schestowitz-TR I'd rather do NOC than academia
[06:03] schestowitz-TR I used to do both in tandem
[06:03] schestowitz-TR one was vastly easier
[06:03] Techrights-sec yes there are few decent ones mostly just filler
[06:04] schestowitz-TR what I do not like is, if they ask me to do project work and programming for ther salary of NOX
[06:04] schestowitz-TR that's what we thought would happen
[06:04] schestowitz-TR and so we decided to leave
[06:04] schestowitz-TR but not it is negotable
[06:04] schestowitz-TR *now
[06:09] Techrights-sec project work is another price category
[06:11] schestowitz-TR but wait :-)
[06:11] schestowitz-TR it's also weekend/overnight
[06:11] schestowitz-TR while there is potential for distraction like alerts or calls
[06:11] schestowitz-TR to me, noc means noc
[06:11] schestowitz-TR you want projects/coding?
[06:11] schestowitz-TR send me another contract
[06:11] schestowitz-TR I am being to be "on-call" and write a short report and triage things
[06:11] schestowitz-TR sometimes invetigate or intervene
[06:12] Techrights-sec yep
[06:12] schestowitz-TR by intervention I mean soemtimes like "restart jboss" if some alert seen and can be confirmed as true positive
[06:18] Techrights-sec ack
[06:18] schestowitz-TR "if you are so smart, how come your salary is like this?"
[06:18] schestowitz-TR -Person who works 60-70 hours a week, grilling a person who carely works 6 a week
[06:21] Techrights-sec ack
[06:21] Techrights-sec it's a common misperception
[06:22] schestowitz-TR (I am referring to siblings here)
[06:22] schestowitz-TR (fwiw, my barely educated mother assumes people study things just for a job, i.e. for money)
[06:22] schestowitz-TR (thankfully my dad, who never went to university, is not that shallow, so I'm not on my own)
[06:22] schestowitz-TR regarding exercise, since I open up to personal things atm, lately I used he stairs a lot
[06:22] schestowitz-TR sets are sprints to uppser floor, sometimes with shotput ball at hand
[06:22] schestowitz-TR it's good cardio interval training (downstairs=interval)
[06:26] schestowitz-TR psychological life hack
[06:26] schestowitz-TR put backpack on
[06:26] schestowitz-TR make the mission to make the workout proftable
[06:26] schestowitz-TR by carrying discounts back
[06:26] schestowitz-TR then count the savings as profit
[06:26] schestowitz-TR if there is a lot to carry, and you sweat, that's "good workout"
[06:26] schestowitz-TR when we still went to the gym (we stopped around May 20 2021) we'd use the trip back home
[06:26] schestowitz-TR to hunt for food
[06:26] schestowitz-TR sometimes also discounted things for the home like a 10 pound wine rack (original was like 50 pounds)
[06:26] schestowitz-TR we bought so many things in those years and can now use the many spares for decades, or use them as gifts
[06:26] schestowitz-TR if you can save 200 a month on food, think of that as two work shifts (16 hours) you need not do
[06:31] schestowitz-TR I hope current discount rates last
[06:31] schestowitz-TR we can still find those
[06:32] schestowitz-TR but the searching has to extend further
[06:32] schestowitz-TR like casting a wider net for the same "catch"
[06:32] schestowitz-TR igf you save 1000-2000 a year, just by shopping "smarter", then means less labour is required
[06:32] schestowitz-TR labour => capital => "stored labour" (desposits)
[06:32] schestowitz-TR spendings/income ratio= pace of desposits
[06:32] schestowitz-TR the goal is not to overdo them, like falling into the "game" people shame you into
[06:32] schestowitz-TR which is likely harder - LOL - if you don't know how to access social control media inc. GulagTube
[06:32] schestowitz-TR GulagTube became so bad that even without the web interface you would get far too many ads
[06:32] schestowitz-TR for now, librewold zaps them all (I think)
[06:32] schestowitz-TR better ask rianne, I typically just use yewtu.be
[06:33] Techrights-sec yes
[06:38] schestowitz-TR Pedophilia is a real issue. No need to make it a partisan issue though. https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/gop-pedophilia-smear-incitement/ | Source: The Nation
[06:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | The GOP's Pedophilia Smears Are An Incitement to Violence | The Nation
[06:38] schestowitz-TR Climate change => politicised
[06:38] schestowitz-TR Undoing unwanted conception => politicised
[06:38] schestowitz-TR what next?
[06:41] Techrights-sec everything is politicized,
[06:41] Techrights-sec the election committee which made illegal deals with Iran to bring the world
[06:41] Techrights-sec the Reagan administration turned that aspect of health care into a political
[06:41] Techrights-sec footbal
[06:41] Techrights-sec football
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[06:45] schestowitz-TR speaking of which, this weekend "our team" (200m from us) can secure its season win
[06:45] schestowitz-TR cementing the lead
[06:46] schestowitz-TR we'll cycle past the stadium, later
[06:46] schestowitz-TR aftter rianne finishes gardening
[06:46] schestowitz-TR cultivating the soil for the neighbours' cats
[06:46] schestowitz-TR to poo in
[06:46] schestowitz-TR "our team" is currently tanked 2ns in the world
[06:46] schestowitz-TR *ranked
[06:46] schestowitz-TR after bayern munich
[06:46] schestowitz-TR when we moved here it was barely in top 10
[06:46] schestowitz-TR but the oil tycoons from UAE sank lots of money into it
[06:46] schestowitz-TR same way KSA does now with NUFC
[06:46] schestowitz-TR [05:56] KSA sportswashing... and now buying Twitter via MusKSA https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/12/
[06:46] schestowitz-TR greg-norman-saudi-arabias-sportswashing-emissary/ | Source: Counter Punch
[06:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-May 12, 2022 - CounterPunch.org
[06:46] Techrights-sec KSA appears to be on a reputation laundering mission, and getting too much
[06:46] Techrights-sec complicity in covering up past and present crimes
[06:51] schestowitz-TR that appeals to the masses who worship money, no matter how it's made and what follows it
[06:51] schestowitz-TR like war and stuf
[06:51] schestowitz-TR you cannot deny it, sportwashing works
[06:51] schestowitz-TR and places/businesses that get this money do benefit
[06:51] schestowitz-TR but the problem is, it perpetuates a cycle
[06:51] schestowitz-TR where many are in fact the losers
[06:51] schestowitz-TR currently we try to lower the bills
[06:51] schestowitz-TR esp. energy
[06:51] schestowitz-TR only exception is PCs, but they are all laptops with savings (modes) turned on
[06:51] Techrights-sec many worship only money
[06:51] schestowitz-TR 8 working 24/7, mine provide enough light so the bulbs are rarely needed
[06:51] schestowitz-TR and in winter some heat too is produced if I can seal off a room and then body heat too factors in
[06:51] schestowitz-TR in winter I might go in the same room as rianne as heat is easier to conserve this way
[06:51] schestowitz-TR it took me less than one houir to move everything here, I clocked it ntentionally
[06:53] schestowitz-TR people who worship ONLY money (or mostly money) are playing a stupid sport
[06:53] schestowitz-TR and later in life they realise that you cannot bring that money with you to "heaven"
[06:53] schestowitz-TR nor can you buy youth or health with it
[06:53] schestowitz-TR doing your hobbies when you are 67 is dumb
[06:53] schestowitz-TR some can barely walk around in places abroad
[06:54] schestowitz-TR my mom already struggles in flights due to her knees
[06:54] Techrights-sec not so much a sport as LARPing
[06:54] Techrights-sec https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-larping-live-action-role-playing-steampunk-aurum-larp-2018-10
[06:54] Techrights-sec shared fantasy /delusion
[06:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | What Is LARPing (Live Action Role Playing)?
[06:55] schestowitz-TR nice analogy
[06:55] schestowitz-TR I like the saying (and show) we have here, "Only Fools and Horses"
[06:55] schestowitz-TR (I guess you know what follows
[06:58] schestowitz-TR New: "As to why I haven't left yet? Because it seems this Agile movement has invaded everywhere and things would be more of the same elsewhere. At least here, I'm not forced to use Windows [4]." gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/05/12.1"
[06:59] Techrights-sec yep
[06:59] Techrights-sec btw check the new merged links for today, it has an automatically generated
[06:59] Techrights-sec table of contents
[06:59] Techrights-sec if that is the way it should be then next step will be to get that into the
[06:59] Techrights-sec work flow
[06:59] Techrights-sec ack
● May 13
[07:02] schestowitz-TR a) there are ways to contribute to society other than jobs
[07:02] schestowitz-TR (some jobs are BS). Good banks, activism...
[07:02] schestowitz-TR b) I will check the table of contents in a moment, it'll show up in tmux soon
[07:02] schestowitz-TR c) something I forgot while typing a and b, but it wasn't important anyway
[07:02] schestowitz-TR I akm chasing daily linkaa atm with gemini on the side
[07:02] schestowitz-TR matey is very active in the main channel and is on topic
[07:02] Techrights-sec that's great news about IRC
[07:03] schestowitz-TR irc's problem is not the loss of time
[07:03] schestowitz-TR but the loss of focus
[07:03] schestowitz-TR and why I muted dfc
[07:03] schestowitz-TR he's the equivalent of social control media GUIs (web UIs)
[07:06] schestowitz-TR ot-ish: yesterday's meeting was using the self-serving lies about the health of the company
[07:06] schestowitz-TR but you could sense they tried hard to keep everyone onboard (not all companies are like that)
[07:06] schestowitz-TR maybe because the external HR agency cautioned them about cost of compensation
[07:06] schestowitz-TR but either way, this is the first such meeting in 3 years
[07:06] schestowitz-TR and now without physical office they cannot waste our time on train journeys
[07:10] schestowitz-TR rianne and I were 110 mins on call, spent similar length of time discussing outcome
[07:10] schestowitz-TR reduction of hours likely the way forward, but to keep pension and employement record, plus
[07:10] schestowitz-TR reduction of tax deduction, both of us to stay onboard
[07:10] schestowitz-TR at reduced capacity
[07:10] schestowitz-TR which is something we thought about doing years ago anyway
[07:10] schestowitz-TR whhen I started in the company 11+ years ago I covered only Sat and Sun
[07:11] Techrights-sec TOC generation is now integrated into the work flow
[07:20] schestowitz-TR excellent!
[07:20] schestowitz-TR I might soon work towards getting the publication patterns off wordpress
[07:20] schestowitz-TR at least partly
[07:20] schestowitz-TR the CMS treadmill "innovation" (so-called) means higher technical debt
[07:20] schestowitz-TR techdirt imprisoned itself in wordpressDOTCOM
[07:20] schestowitz-TR the bulletins, ipfs, gemini and others are a stepping stone towards where we want to be
[07:20] schestowitz-TR I tried gnunet but it's alphaware at this point
[07:20] schestowitz-TR with gemini, the site is just tar -opt [direction], untar /tar -xf directory, then add demon of choice
[07:20] schestowitz-TR like vget in openbsd, which is just hundreds of LOCs iirc and open port
[07:20] schestowitz-TR but it does not have widepsread adoption yet and dealing with attachment is hard
[07:20] schestowitz-TR I hope that will change in due course
[07:20] schestowitz-TR I stopped making material ABOUT gemini
[07:20] schestowitz-TR Disinformation https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/meet-the-head-of-bidens-new-disinformation-governing-board/
[07:20] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | Meet the Head of Bidens New Disinformation Governing Board | The Nation
[07:20] schestowitz-TR this is what worries me
[07:20] schestowitz-TR CAs aside, it seems like
[07:20] schestowitz-TR 1) social control media gatekeepers , e.g. "hacker" "news"
[07:20] schestowitz-TR 2) sofwtare designed to block/suppress some sites
[07:20] schestowitz-TR 3) balkanised Web, GOVERNMENT-imposed blacklists, amybe ISPs to join
[07:20] schestowitz-TR to "prtect us"
[07:20] schestowitz-TR we don't need to wait until the "showdown"
[07:20] schestowitz-TR kriakou (cia whistleblower; we used to interact online) warns that this is about shutting off
[07:20] schestowitz-TR "undesirable" voices like his
[07:20] schestowitz-TR at one point only RT would consider him "permissible"
[07:20] schestowitz-TR and CONSORTRIUM NEWS
[07:20] schestowitz-TR and now they crack down on those, too
[07:20] schestowitz-TR and those who appeared in RT have "splaining" top do
[07:21] schestowitz-TR I meant vger earlier, not vget
[07:21] schestowitz-TR it probably lacks many features
[07:21] schestowitz-TR but the complexity of those things is very low, a bit like irc pre v.3
[07:22] Techrights-sec yes it's happening on both sides of the Atlantic
[07:22] Techrights-sec however only a tiny amount of politicians even act aware of the problem
[07:22] Techrights-sec they could probably be counted on one hand, and then to make it worse,
[07:22] Techrights-sec only a subset ofthose is activng
[07:22] Techrights-sec vger requires one bit of very specialized knowledge to get running
[07:22] Techrights-sec for those that know it, it is deads simple to set up
[07:22] Techrights-sec for those that lack the background it is a non-starter
[07:24] schestowitz-TR few remaining politicians are tech-savvy
[07:24] schestowitz-TR and some of the experts they recruit are microsofters
[07:24] schestowitz-TR seems like patrick breyer might be the exception
[07:24] schestowitz-TR but among "establishment" politicians his party is regarded a laughing stock
[07:24] schestowitz-TR (the name never helped, even as tongue-in-cheeck)
[07:28] schestowitz-TR "darknet" = something we cannot control
[07:28] schestowitz-TR "shitcoin" = also something we cannot control, but that does not make it virtuous
[07:28] schestowitz-TR "shitcoin scams in the darknet" = associating scams and crime with thge former
[07:28] schestowitz-TR where the name, "darknet", does not help either
[07:28] schestowitz-TR www = FB
[07:28] schestowitz-TR self-hosted WWW = LOL!!! YOUR SHITTTY SITE LOOKS SO 90s!!! LOL!!! And no "valid" cert...
[07:28] schestowitz-TR what about privacy??? Says the person froma a TWITTER account, running a pileshit of JS
[07:28] schestowitz-TR just to render 140 chars of shitpost
[07:28] schestowitz-TR in an account that demands 2FA with phone number an "APPS" that transmits location throughout
[07:28] schestowitz-TR the day
[07:29] Techrights-sec they're not experts only sales teams and lobbyists posing as experts
[07:29] Techrights-sec the policitians like that because it is familiar and they get campaign money
[07:29] Techrights-sec self-hosed will soon be defacto illegal; self-signed certificates have been
[07:29] Techrights-sec dropped from some libraries and modules, not just the major browsers
[07:29] Techrights-sec surveillance is one of the objectives common to both industry and government
[07:31] schestowitz-TR GOVERNMENT-FUNDED "industry"
[07:31] schestowitz-TR you saw my link from yesterday
[07:31] schestowitz-TR if the tech giants fail, the taxpayers will bail "big tech" like they do "big banks"
[07:31] schestowitz-TR if the US goes under
[07:31] schestowitz-TR China will do the same
[07:31] schestowitz-TR it is about "national interest", not "job creation"
[07:31] schestowitz-TR the high-paid workers are riding tax money and national debt
[07:31] Techrights-sec yes
[07:32] schestowitz-TR I like to use the term "doping"
[07:32] schestowitz-TR like business that net VC money
[07:32] schestowitz-TR and quickly waste that on gradeur
[07:32] schestowitz-TR like using up the harvest by Sewptember
[07:32] schestowitz-TR to thenm starve in winter
[07:32] schestowitz-TR I'd rather earn little, slowly, not buy a second-hand mercedes to make impressions
[07:33] schestowitz-TR "fighting desertification" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/un-report-warns-earth-crossroads-battle-against-global-drought-crisis
[07:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | UN Report Warns Earth at 'Crossroads' in Battle Against Global Drought Crisis
[07:35] schestowitz-TR "Russia warned Thursday that it would not hesitate to retaliate should Finland join NATO" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/russia-threatens-retaliatory-steps-finland-inches-closer-joining-nato | Source: Common Dreams
[07:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Russia Threatens 'Retaliatory Steps' as Finland Inches Closer to Joining NATO
[07:53] schestowitz-TR just noticed pi's nginx served over 6k pages yesterday
[07:53] schestowitz-TR we have another pi available, same OS, could do HA at home although both rely on same ISP
● May 13
[08:08] schestowitz-TR OK, I've just opened the "merged" revised file
[08:08] schestowitz-TR very well done
[08:08] schestowitz-TR I will integrate this into my workflow
[08:08] schestowitz-TR I might have to change timeline.sh a tad bit
[08:08] schestowitz-TR then I will check what it looks like in gemtext
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[08:15] Techrights-sec thanks
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[08:57] schestowitz "
[08:57] schestowitz Links 11/05/2022: KDE Gear 22.04.1 and EuroLinux 8.6
[08:57] schestowitz Posted in News Roundup at 8:42 am by Dr. Roy SchestowitzContentsGNU/LinuxDistributionsDevices/EmbeddedFree Software/Open SourceLeftovers
[08:57] schestowitz "
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[09:08] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/12/eurolinux-8-6/
[09:08] Techrights-sec checkcing
[09:10] schestowitz-TR it is just that I am guessing thiss line is about to become a lot longer
[09:10] schestowitz-TR it would be good for gemini when all gemini articles are presented in a way that does not give
[09:10] schestowitz-TR the impression of afterhought or second-class citizenry
[09:10] schestowitz-TR I am guilty of that sometimes, e.g. with memes, but I started including headlines too and author names
[09:10] schestowitz-TR from screenshots
[09:10] Techrights-sec yes so it should be removed since Gemiini does not have internal links
[09:11] schestowitz-TR That looks very nice in largance though, it shows full index for the page on the sidebar and clicking takes you to the rig
[09:11] schestowitz-TR ht section
[09:11] schestowitz-TR better experience than in "modern" Web browsers
[09:18] Techrights-sec check git
[09:18] Techrights-sec running cron updater
[09:22] schestowitz-TR ok check the above link
[09:22] Techrights-sec ok check the above link
[09:23] schestowitz-TR great, this also fixed that for other posts where the categories did not fit in and lacked spaces
[09:23] schestowitz-TR rianne is posting in tm, soon I will post daily links, I am not working on timeline.sh wokflow
[09:28] Techrights-sec np
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[10:02] schestowitz-TR is there a change in another file that latches onto links-toc.pl and is not updates in git?
[10:02] schestowitz-TR *updated
[10:06] Techrights-sec yes ... checking
[10:06] Techrights-sec added to git; I thought I had it symlinked but don't since I have to customize
[10:06] Techrights-sec the paths
[10:22] schestowitz-TR I am guessing it's a fuction call somewhere and that I can add that at my end as well
[10:22] schestowitz-TR I got it working
[10:25] schestowitz-TR http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/about-bsd
[10:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Links 13/05/2022: End of About BSD | Techrights
[10:26] schestowitz-TR I tried a bunch of things to get things after Leftovers to also show up in the TOC
[10:26] schestowitz-TR for some reason it stop after Leftovers
[10:29] schestowitz https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ftechrights.org%2F%3Fstoriesddd&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.3+http%3A%2F%2Fvalidator.w3.org%2Fservices
[10:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-validator.w3.org | [Invalid] Markup Validation of http://techrights.org/?storiesddd - W3C Markup Validator
[10:29] Techrights-sec ok checking
[10:44] schestowitz-TR I was just about to suggest sending that
[10:44] schestowitz-TR hang on ...
[10:44] schestowitz-TR sorry, I was posting to TM, so got distracted
[10:44] Techrights-sec The input file is the 2022-05-13.html or 2022-05-13-merged.html nothing else
[10:44] Techrights-sec what file are you trying to process with links-toc.pl ?
[10:44] Techrights-sec thanks for the validator links, there are some warnings and errors I can fix
[10:44] Techrights-sec from here but not all
[10:44] Techrights-sec new template
[10:44] Techrights-sec Error Line 4408, Column 12: ID "ipfs-table" already defined
[10:44] Techrights-sec Info Line 1865, Column 12: ID "ipfs-table" first defined here
[10:56] schestowitz-TR OK, #m[number] works now
[10:56] schestowitz-TR I will copy the template
[10:56] schestowitz-TR I have juts tested with past 6 daily links' input files
[10:56] schestowitz-TR sometimes it goes further than leftovers
[10:56] schestowitz-TR I wonder if invalid xhtml is what causes it to panic
[10:56] schestowitz-TR testing some more
[10:56] schestowitz-TR I am starting to suspect is gets baffled ifthe first level sections have items in them, but still testing
[10:56] schestowitz-TR yes, OK, now I am quite sure
[10:56] schestowitz-TR |
[10:56] schestowitz-TR |-Section A
[10:56] schestowitz-TR |-news
[10:56] schestowitz-TR |-Section B
[10:56] schestowitz-TR would break and show just Section A
[10:56] schestowitz-TR if you remove "news"
[10:56] schestowitz-TR |-Section A
[10:56] schestowitz-TR |----Section B
[10:56] schestowitz-TR |----Secttion C
[10:56] schestowitz-TR then it copes OK
[10:57] Techrights-sec id attributes must be unique so if they are to be repeated then class would
[10:57] Techrights-sec be more appropriate for formatting and layout matters
[10:57] Techrights-sec great
[10:58] schestowitz-TR the ipfs validation error (and similar) are due to me "not writing enough articles"
[10:58] schestowitz-TR so the blogs's front page shows two "IRC posts" among the "latest 8" and sections are redefined with nonunqie IDs
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[11:11] Techrights-sec akc
[11:17] schestowitz-TR I could just abstain from nesting iterms directly under level 1 headings
[11:17] schestowitz-TR that would not be hard
[11:17] schestowitz-TR about to set off cycling
[11:17] schestowitz-TR checking all of today's gz files
[11:17] schestowitz-TR tm, wordpress, drupal OK; only wiki gz invalid
[11:17] Techrights-sec ack
[11:17] schestowitz-TR bbl
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[14:10] schestowitz-TR back home
[14:10] schestowitz-TR saved about 40
[14:10] schestowitz-TR now properly back (desk)
[14:10] schestowitz-TR on the way back I thought,
[14:10] schestowitz-TR iunstead of #m[number]
[14:10] Techrights-sec good savings
[14:10] schestowitz-TR maybe pick random letter
[14:10] schestowitz-TR as some pages contain muliple batches of Daily Links
[14:10] schestowitz-TR hence there is a good chande if id collision
[14:10] schestowitz-TR which not only renders validation errors
[14:10] schestowitz-TR but also ambiguity as to what direction the drirector links to
[14:10] schestowitz-TR with 50+ letters the program goes away, or maybe some other thing, date would be the worst UID
[14:10] schestowitz-TR as the collusion would typically occur with batches of the same date
[14:15] schestowitz-TR btw, my "leave my job" draft can be rcycled as "going part part" to focus on the site
[14:15] schestowitz-TR pending confirmation
[14:15] schestowitz-TR we did the maths and realise there's no way to retire, not even close, far toioo early
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[16:07] schestowitz-TR He's not wrong. Twitter is FAKING its numbers. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/musk_twitter_on_hold/ see https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/
[16:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold over bot count The Register
[16:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Twitter is Not as Important as the Media Wants Us to Believe | Techrights
[16:08] schestowitz-TR He's not wrong. Twitter is FAKING its numbers. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/musk_twitter_on_hold/ see https://tec
[16:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Could not resolve host: tec; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tec )
[16:08] schestowitz-TR hrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/
[16:08] schestowitz-TR realising they pay for a pile of dying shit
[16:08] schestowitz-TR while twitter makes my account seem like suddenly impression quadrupled
[16:08] schestowitz-TR and it's obv. fake
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[18:50] Techrights-sec Twitter is a massive disinformation megaphone and contol of it is worth
[18:50] Techrights-sec a lot of money to some malevolent interests.
[18:50] Techrights-sec what kind of actions + savings can put you on a trajectory to retire in 10 years
[18:50] Techrights-sec ?
[18:52] schestowitz-TR if I worked very very hard on "money", I could retire in 10 years
[18:52] schestowitz-TR but then I'd losing 10 years trying to earn money
[18:52] schestowitz-TR so the balanced approached is better
[18:52] schestowitz-TR maybe we'll even move somewhere that is less expensive
[18:52] schestowitz-TR but that's just a thought
[18:52] schestowitz-TR the world is too vaolatile atm
[18:52] Techrights-sec ok I was wondering what timescale a balanced track would bring
[18:54] schestowitz-TR I hope MusKSA withdrsw, then Twitter collapses, for good...
[18:54] schestowitz-TR both of b/
[18:54] schestowitz-TR best of both worlds
[18:54] schestowitz-TR in a sense
[18:55] schestowitz-TR like Microsoft and Yhoo!
[18:55] schestowitz-TR They kept doing that to Yahoo!
[18:55] schestowitz-TR until Yahoo! died
[18:55] schestowitz-TR Twitter would not recover
[18:55] schestowitz-TR they already piss people off by saying Trump might come back
[18:55] schestowitz-TR and Musk got TOOOOOONNNNS of freepress over fake, hypothetical, likely impossible
[18:55] schestowitz-TR "free speech"
[18:55] schestowitz-TR so he got his money's worth already
[18:55] Techrights-sec a collapse of twitter would be to nearly everyone's advantage
[18:55] schestowitz-TR also as shareholder
[18:55] schestowitz-TR see the link (you sent?) re SEC investigation
[18:56] schestowitz-TR regarding toc code, I can refrain from adding links right after level heading 1
[18:56] schestowitz-TR as I said, choosing a random letter eahc time for id would dodge ambiguity across batches of Daily Links
[18:57] Techrights-sec I can look at that over the next few days, probably
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[19:03] schestowitz-TR re Twitter, a shame think we forgot to buy popcorn
[19:03] schestowitz-TR I'd buy even without a discount
[19:03] schestowitz-TR once again, as the "Why I hate Elon Musk Video" starts,
[19:03] schestowitz-TR Musk get a ton of free publicity without spending a cent
[19:03] schestowitz-TR Trump was good at that too
[19:03] schestowitz-TR je just says Trump, free speech, a bunch of other stuff
[19:03] schestowitz-TR and did not even seal the deal, it seems...
[19:04] schestowitz-TR meanwhile Twitter Inc. puff up its chest
[19:04] schestowitz-TR pretending to be big
[19:04] schestowitz-TR like 4 times bigger
[19:04] schestowitz-TR like AOL the floppy delivery system
[19:04] Techrights-sec ack
[19:20] Techrights-sec ack
[19:20] Techrights-sec I'm not sure I understand what change is needed with the TOC code. Can you
[19:20] Techrights-sec show a URL or more details?
[19:22] schestowitz-TR sure, I need to demonstrate with two or more files
[19:22] schestowitz-TR input files
[19:22] schestowitz-TR doy uo
[19:22] schestowitz-TR I think I froze ytalk, ctrl s/q
[19:22] schestowitz-TR managed to undo that or maybe network lag
[19:22] schestowitz-TR do you need clarification about random letter
[19:23] schestowitz-TR or nested item right below level 1 heading? or both?
[19:23] Techrights-sec ctrl s will freeze, ctrl q will unfreeze
[19:24] Techrights-sec Clarification regarding which file. I suppose the Epoch could be used as part
[19:24] Techrights-sec of the id attribute, that would make it unique enough since the script would
[19:24] Techrights-sec be most unlikely to be run twice in one second
[19:25] schestowitz-TR hour of day would make it unique enough
[19:25] schestowitz-TR rianne and I are scraping the pile of news quite hard thurd and friday
[19:25] schestowitz-TR because there is almost nothing of substance
[19:25] schestowitz-TR I will provide input files
[19:30] Techrights-sec ok
[19:30] Techrights-sec tm is having trouble
[19:30] Techrights-sec or at least unreachable from here
[19:30] schestowitz-TR see your account on pi
[19:30] schestowitz-TR 1) run with links-before.html
[19:30] schestowitz-TR 2) two now the one "with-sternberg"
[19:31] schestowitz-TR 3) the diff is one link after leftovers
[19:31] schestowitz-TR 4) the output diff is TOC going to end of file vs stopping at leftovers
[19:31] schestowitz-TR I've just started ddos protector on TM
[19:31] schestowitz-TR due to a surge (load avg 48)
[19:31] Techrights-sec thanks
[19:31] Techrights-sec ok
[19:31] Techrights-sec tm is having trouble
[19:31] Techrights-sec or at least unreachable from here
[19:31] Techrights-sec checking file
[19:31] Techrights-sec ack
[19:33] schestowitz-TR ohl, oops, I put the files in MY homedor on YOUR server
[19:33] Techrights-sec not seeing any new file in the home directory
[19:33] Techrights-sec one problem might be also with the div id for the whole toc itself from
[19:33] Techrights-sec the template
[19:51] Techrights-sec ok looking
[19:51] Techrights-sec taking a guess...working...
[19:51] Techrights-sec ok check Git
[19:51] Techrights-sec the id for the toc div is also replaced
[19:54] schestowitz-TR thanks
[19:54] schestowitz-TR trying...
[19:54] schestowitz-TR the IDs are much better now, that's very good
[19:54] schestowitz-TR when I run it with sternberg the TOC ends after "leftovers"
[19:54] schestowitz-TR I checked to be sure I use the latest revision
[19:58] Techrights-sec make sure to use the latest template.html
[19:58] Techrights-sec ack
[19:58] schestowitz-TR oh, that would be it.... let me try
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[20:08] schestowitz-TR iirc, we had a bunch of old template lying about
[20:08] schestowitz-TR but maybe not in git rather some some diretory somewhere?
[20:08] Techrights-sec the one in Git is the authoritative one
[20:08] Techrights-sec in the Links directory
[20:19] schestowitz-TR I don't remember where the old ones were, maybe the older git
[20:19] schestowitz-TR but either way, mine had some hacks bolted onto it
[20:19] schestowitz-TR so I filed it in git and will have to make subtle changes
[20:19] schestowitz-TR my changes are very minor, I just need to test a few times
[20:24] schestowitz-TR Ok, I found them, they are in ~/bin
[20:24] schestowitz-TR template* files
[20:24] schestowitz-TR that's how I remembered it
[20:24] schestowitz-TR I will move them to a new dir
[20:24] schestowitz-TR there are now 5 files under ~/bin/template
[20:24] schestowitz-TR if I become part timer I should tidy those bits up as well
[20:26] Techrights-sec Ok but the one all the perl scripts are based on is in Links in Git
[20:26] Techrights-sec maybe best to delete or at least tar+gzip the old ones so they are
[20:26] Techrights-sec out of the way
[20:26] Techrights-sec ack
[20:28] schestowitz-TR I've begun making my own 'deriv' of template
[20:28] schestowitz-TR because I need a lot more "slots" for howtos
[20:28] schestowitz-TR and the top part contains some 'logic' for adding the right date to title in wordpress
[20:28] schestowitz-TR those are easy, trivial edits, I won't push these back
[20:28] schestowitz-TR I have some vbery oddball workflow
[20:28] schestowitz-TR and some magic mouse buttons to help make it faster
[20:28] Techrights-sec I just add them on the fly with not-quite-macros
[20:28] Techrights-sec extra mouse buttons would help a lot I expect
[20:29] schestowitz-TR I used to do the same with xbindkeys (still there, too)
[20:29] schestowitz-TR but mouse if faster, the thumb just moves a little
[20:33] schestowitz-TR gn
[20:33] schestowitz-TR I will test here what needs testing
[20:33] schestowitz-TR this will overll improve Daily links
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