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00:00 matey; hes not dead he just needs lube
00:00 matey; sorry wrong window
00:00 MinceR; lol
00:00 TR News; "CVE-2021-26726 has been assigned to this vulnerability. A CVSS v3 base score of 8.8 has been calculated" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-102-01
00:00 bnchs__; matey: sure wrong window
00:01 bnchs__; you know what
00:01 bnchs__; just apply the lube yourself
00:01 TR News; CVSS v3 9.0 (!!!)... Wind River VxWorks... and they keep saying this proprietary platform is soooo good for security https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-102-02
00:01 matey; no
00:01 matey; thats what the bot is for
00:01 matey; this is supposed to be the 21st century, wtf
00:02 TR News; "Exploitable remotely" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-102-04
00:03 bnchs__; matey: have you imagined the bot applying lube
00:03 bnchs__; to itself
00:03 bnchs__; eughhhh
00:03 TR News; ASSRocks! Uses chips with NSA back doors. https://linuxgizmos.com/asrock-industrial-release-new-range-of-industrial-motherboards-w-12th-gen-intel-core-processors/
00:03 Alternative link; CloudFlare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/asrock-industrial-release-new-range-of-industrial-motherboards-w-12th-gen-intel-core-processors/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxgizmos.com/asrock-industrial-release-new-range-of-industrial-motherboards-w-12th-gen-intel-core-processors/
00:04 matey; ive been thinking actually
00:04 matey; about the techrights business model
00:04 matey; its not making any profits right now
00:05 matey; and we dont want microsoft to come take it over
00:05 bnchs__; you read my mind
00:05 matey; so heres my idea to make it sustainable
00:05 bnchs__; i was thinking about roy's job
00:05 matey; okay, so they have remote control adult toys already
00:05 matey; im not going into details, everybody knows about them
00:05 bnchs__; yeah????
00:05 matey; and they have teleconferencing robots too
00:05 bnchs__; turn it into a server?
00:05 TR News; AMD GPU "open"... blank (no text) until/unless you run proprietary JS on your machine https://gpuopen.com/learn/introducing-hiprt/
00:05 matey; and somehow, no ones put them together yet
00:05 bnchs__; oh no
00:06 matey; this is how we all get rich
00:06 bnchs__; "wanking to bunnies" - roy
00:06 bnchs__; i took that out of context
00:07 matey; god bless us everyone
00:07 TR News; CVSS v3 9.8 (nearly 10!) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-102-05 "a server used to control and communicate with autonomous mobile robots in hospitals"
00:07 bnchs__; describing furry pr0n as "wanking to bunnies"
00:07 matey; i think ill get that tatted on my arm in old english lettering
00:07 TR News; Data Brokers: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wqn3gR1WTcA Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
00:08 matey; "why does it it say 'wanking to bunnies?'"
00:08 matey; "i dunno man, thats what it said when i woke up"
00:08 matey; "what does it mean?"
00:09 matey; "i dont know that either, but i always thought hugh hefner was kind of the shit"
00:09 TR News; "Worldline announced it has launched one of the most advanced LINUX-based 4G POS terminal LINURA LP 7220 with highest security protocol, Dual Core Cortex processor and 256MB RAM to enhance in-store digital payments experience in India." https://www.freepressjournal.in/technology/worldline-launches-linura-lp-7220-pos-terminal-in-india
↺ https://www.freepressjournal.in/technology/worldline-launches-linura-lp-7220-pos-terminal-in-india
00:09 Alternative link; CloudFlare: freepressjournal.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.freepressjournal.in/technology/worldline-launches-linura-lp-7220-pos-terminal-in-india https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.freepressjournal.in/technology/worldline-launches-linura-lp-7220-pos-terminal-in-india
00:10 TR News; "pgBadger is a PostgreSQL performance analyzer, built for speed with fully detailed reports based on your PostgreSQL log files." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgbadger-v118-released-2434/
00:11 bnchs__; <schestowitz-TR> does deviantart have art yet?
00:11 matey; describing furry <- im pretty sure he was amish at one point
00:11 bnchs__; <techrights_guest|40>schestowitz-TR no just porn and furry porn... hahahahaha
00:11 matey; possibly through his teens
00:11 bnchs__; <schestowitz-TR> haha
00:11 bnchs__; <schestowitz-TR> yeah
00:11 bnchs__; <schestowitz-TR>site for deviants on drugs
00:11 TR News; Amidst Disagreement, elementary co-Founder Quits and Joins Endless OS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162346#comment-33329
00:11 bnchs__; <schestowitz-TR>more catchy than "Wanking to bunnies"
00:12 *bnchs_ (~bnchs_@gx4exr34u37ig.irc) has joined #techrights
00:12 bnchs__; bnchs_, who are you
00:13 matey; /me never wanks to actual bunnies, but sometimes the easter candy aisle is a bit exciting
00:13 *bnchs_ has quit (Quit: Quit)
00:13 schestowitz-TR; ?? [00:12] <bnchs__> bnchs_, who are you
00:13 matey; he left
00:13 schestowitz-TR; no
00:13 schestowitz-TR; unstable connection
00:13 schestowitz-TR; around misnight in particular
00:13 bnchs__; no i'm still here
00:14 schestowitz-TR; due to FB "live" and stuff
00:14 schestowitz-TR; people eating up all the b/w
00:14 bnchs__; another client on my LAN
00:14 TR News; NSA back doors https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/12/asrock-4x4-box-5000-series-mini-pc-features-amd-zen-3-ryzen-5000-u-series-processor/
00:14 Alternative link; CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/12/asrock-4x4-box-5000-series-mini-pc-features-amd-zen-3-ryzen-5000-u-series-processor/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/12/asrock-4x4-box-5000-series-mini-pc-features-amd-zen-3-ryzen-5000-u-series-processor/
00:15 TR News; Emulating Raspi2 like hardware with Rasbian in 2022 http://sven.stormbind.net/blog/posts/deb_qemu_rpi2_2022/
00:15 *bnchs__ is now known as bnchs
00:15 schestowitz-TR; some people mentioned my job (not sure who started it)
00:15 schestowitz-TR; I start a shift in 45 mins
00:15 schestowitz-TR; techrights is a hobby, not a business
00:15 matey; we were joking of course
00:15 matey; we know its not intended to make money
00:16 schestowitz-TR; and quite a few people's thing, many are involved by now
00:16 matey; thats half the joke
00:16 schestowitz-TR; matey: I just need food and bed
00:16 matey; /me doesnt even need a bed
00:16 schestowitz-TR; and we buy food less than half price
00:16 bnchs; matey: putting a adult toy and a robot together, right?
00:16 matey; bnchs: its going to be huge
00:16 matey; but not just a robot
00:16 matey; TELECONFERENCING
00:16 matey; thats the key
00:17 matey; skype will wish they thought of it first
00:17 TR News; Hardly about Linux at all https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-google-cloud-launch-183000677.html
00:17 Alternative link; CloudFlare: yahoo.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-google-cloud-launch-183000677.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-google-cloud-launch-183000677.html
00:18 TR News; Software patents legitimised in the name of "Linux" https://wraltechwire.com/2022/04/12/in-the-limelight-truist-joins-open-invention-nework/
00:18 DaemonFC; I bought a Bluetooth to FM thing for my car with some fast charging ports.
00:18 DaemonFC; $14 vs tearing out the factory deck to replace it with something modern.
00:19 matey; ill never sync with your youtube videos, but you should probably watch the road anyway
00:19 TR News; Announcing the First Oracle Solaris 11.4 CBE Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163642
00:19 matey; itll
00:19 matey; i wont either though
00:21 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: Industroyer2: Industroyer reloaded | WeLiveSecurity https://www.welivesecurity.com/2022/04/12/industroyer2-industroyer-reloaded/ "Windows executable named 108_100.exe"
00:22 matey; when minimalists have a pissing contest
00:22 matey; one guy uses a low-flush
00:22 TR News; "...the grey window decorations are a JWM theme in this snapshot. But, EasyOS 3.3 also has a light-blue JWM theme. In the above snapshot, everything inside the window is the GTK theme. I modified the 'flat-grey-rounded' theme and created a new GTK3 'EasyBlue' theme." https://bkhome.org/news/202204/easyblue-theme-for-gtk2-and-gtk3.html
00:22 matey; this other showoff just needs a bucket
00:22 bnchs; matey: low-flush
00:22 bnchs; imagine flushing 6 times
00:22 matey; and the winner goes outside against a wall
00:22 matey; bnchs: i know
00:22 bnchs; for a piece of SHIT
00:22 matey; i swear they use more water than regular toilets
00:23 matey; i think they were invented by someone who has never pooped in their life
00:23 matey; so nixon probably
00:23 matey; he always seemed like he never had
00:23 matey; he just held it in
00:24 TR News; Security a Key Benefit of Open Source Enterprise Software https://www.fosslife.org/security-key-benefit-open-source-enterprise-software so try using it, Red Hat http://techrights.org/2022/03/03/state-of-proprietary-software/
00:25 matey; /me wonders how many flushes 2000 flushes is good for if you put it in a low flow toilet
00:26 TR News; Not quite what it sounds like... https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/introducing-the-arduino-secure-boot/
00:26 Alternative link; CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/introducing-the-arduino-secure-boot/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/introducing-the-arduino-secure-boot/
00:27 bnchs; reminds me of a king of the hill episode
00:27 matey; fair play
00:27 bnchs; there was a bill that banned regular toilets
00:27 matey; ha
00:27 matey; i saw that one
00:27 bnchs; and replaced them with low-flush toilet
00:27 *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights
00:27 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
00:28 matey; and there was someone selling regular toilets off a truck
00:28 TR News; EasyOS Appearance Tweaks Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163643
00:28 TR Bot; EasyOS Appearance Tweaks | Tux Machines
00:28 matey; how would you enforce it though?
00:29 matey; toilet inspectors? in the uk they just have have truck drive around and they have a big antenna that can figure it out
00:29 bnchs; hashaway attempted to blackmail hank with pictures of his son "stealing" water from a neighbor
00:29 TR News; Guess what it runs... https://www.kulr8.com/news/money/lambda-teams-up-with-razer-to-launch-the-world-s-most-powerful-laptop-for-deep/article_ea5e6b2d-eaff-511e-8b45-89965e7e6a16.html
00:29 TR Bot; Teams Up With Razer to Launch the Worlds Most Powerful Laptop for Deep Learning | Your Money | kulr8.com
00:29 bnchs; and then bribed him with regular toilets
00:29 bnchs; he refused them at least
00:30 bnchs; hashaway was holding a monopoly on low-flush toilets
00:30 bnchs; which reminds me of microsoft
00:31 *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights
00:32 matey; https://techcrunch.com/2007/01/16/microsoft-etoilet-fun-neee/
00:32 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techcrunch.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techcrunch.com/2007/01/16/microsoft-etoilet-fun-neee/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://techcrunch.com/2007/01/16/microsoft-etoilet-fun-neee/
00:32 TR Bot; eToilet: Fun-neee! TechCrunch
00:32 TR News; Outsourced to Microsoft proprietary software = opposite of real security https://www.suse.com/c/safety-ram-protecting-variables-with-ones-complement/
00:32 Alternative link; CloudFlare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/safety-ram-protecting-variables-with-ones-complement/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.suse.com/c/safety-ram-protecting-variables-with-ones-complement/
00:32 TR Bot; RAM: Protecting variables with one's complement | SUSE Communities
00:35 schestowitz-TR; matey: lol
00:35 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: bill goat has a fetish with toilets
00:35 schestowitz-TR; look up "bill says" "toilets"
00:35 matey; probably picked it up at a ranch somewhere
00:35 schestowitz-TR; he's full of it
00:36 bnchs; if this gets me weird results
00:36 matey; people like bill gates help create "third world" conditions
00:36 bnchs; "Poop is a subject that never goes out of style with comedians"
00:36 bnchs; good beginning of bill article
00:36 bnchs; POOP
00:36 matey; then they want to "give back" by "fixing" them with stupid, elon-musk like ideas
00:37 bnchs; bill doors
00:37 bnchs; bill windows
00:37 matey; and by give back i mean exploit those places even further
00:37 bnchs; bill gates
00:37 bnchs; bill doors and bill windows
00:38 matey; i think its great that there are still some e-toilets without built in cameras
00:38 bnchs; matey: "e-toilets without built in cameras"
00:38 bnchs; bruh what time did i time travel to
00:38 matey; im thinking of getting one instead of a laptop or television
00:40 matey; im not even going to connect it to the plumbing, ill just put it where the smart tv was
00:40 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163644
00:40 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
00:40 matey; "why is there an electronic toilet"
00:40 matey; "i couldnt find a computer or screen without a camera"
00:40 matey; "oh"
00:41 TR News; Security of proprietary crap: "An attacker could exploit one of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/12/citrix-releases-security-updates-sd-wan-products
00:41 TR Bot; Citrix Releases Security Updates for SD-WAN Products | CISA
00:41 matey; "what os does it run"
00:41 matey; "ibm"
00:41 matey; "hahaha"
00:41 TR News; "The SSH (Secure SHell) protocol is a remote shell protocol that creates a secure channel (by using an encrypted connection), for accessing servers on an insecure network (like the Internet itself)." https://bytexd.com/how-to-connect-to-ssh-without-typing-a-password/
00:41 Alternative link; CloudFlare: bytexd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://bytexd.com/how-to-connect-to-ssh-without-typing-a-password/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://bytexd.com/how-to-connect-to-ssh-without-typing-a-password/
00:41 TR Bot; To Connect to SSH Without Typing a Password - ByteXD
00:42 schestowitz-TR; matey: runs bilos
00:43 TR News; Halo: The Master Chief Collection broke on Linux and Steam Deck, here's a quick fix | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/halo-the-master-chief-collection-broke-on-linux-and-steam-deck-heres-a-quick-fix/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
00:43 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/halo-the-master-chief-collection-broke-on-linux-and-steam-deck-heres-a-quick-fix/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/halo-the-master-chief-collection-broke-on-linux-and-steam-deck-heres-a-quick-fix/
00:43 TR Bot; The Master Chief Collection broke on Linux and Steam Deck, here's a quick fix | GamingOnLinux
00:43 bnchs; i wonder
00:43 bnchs; what happens if you cum into the toilet
00:43 bnchs; is it called having sex with a electronic?
00:43 TR News; Strategy game 'Old World' comes to Steam and GOG on May 19 with Linux support | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/strategy-game-old-world-comes-to-steam-and-gog-on-may-19-with-linux-support/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
00:43 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/strategy-game-old-world-comes-to-steam-and-gog-on-may-19-with-linux-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/strategy-game-old-world-comes-to-steam-and-gog-on-may-19-with-linux-support/
00:43 TR Bot; game 'Old World' comes to Steam and GOG on May 19 with Linux support | GamingOnLinux
00:44 MinceR; (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/feVDZZP
00:44 TR Bot; day tax season dump - Album on Imgur
00:44 Alternative link; CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/feVDZZP https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://imgur.com/t/cats/feVDZZP
00:46 TR News; Fedora 36 Beta: The new Adwaita/GTK4 work breaks the world, causes confusion, but the performance is terrific. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/04/12/fedora-36-beta-the-new-adwaita-gtk4-work-breaks-the-world-causes-confusion-but-the-performance-is-terrific/ Source: baronhk
00:46 TR Bot; Fedora 36 Beta: The new Adwaita/GTK4 work breaks the world, causes confusion, but the performance is terrific. BaronHK's Rants
00:47 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=avb1XbO0EIs
00:47 TR Bot; The Love Toilet - SNL - Invidious
00:49 TR News; Firefox 99.0.1 maintenance update released - gHacks Tech News https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/12/firefox-99-0-1-maintenance-update-released/ Source: ghacks
00:49 Alternative link; CloudFlare: ghacks.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/12/firefox-99-0-1-maintenance-update-released/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/12/firefox-99-0-1-maintenance-update-released/
00:49 TR Bot; Firefox 99.0.1 maintenance update released - gHacks Tech News
00:51 TR News; "Back when I first started using Arch Linux I was usng i3 and now I'm finally trying out Sway which is intended to be a drop in replacement for i3 or i3 gaps over on the Wayland side." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09mQAZAzwJg
00:51 TR Bot; https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=09mQAZAzwJg
00:51 TR Bot; invidious.osi.kr | First Look At Sway WM: Welcome Home "i3" - Invidious
00:52 TR News; Comments like "Chrome is actually open source" and "Google actually owns Odysee." What?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgAAobbb1pY
00:52 TR Bot; https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=JgAAobbb1pY
00:52 TR Bot; invidio.xamh.de | Fact Checking Common Myths About Open Source Software - Invidious
00:53 TR News; Fedora 36 Beta: The new Adwaita/GTK4 work breaks the world, causes confusion, but the performance is terrific. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163645
00:53 TR Bot; Fedora 36 Beta: The new Adwaita/GTK4 work breaks the world, causes confusion, but the performance is terrific. | Tux Machines
00:54 TR News; "In this video, we are looking at EndeavourOS 22.1." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRwzWSEvyg0
00:54 TR Bot; https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=pRwzWSEvyg0
00:54 TR Bot; tube.cthd.icu | EndeavourOS 22.1 Run Through - Invidious
00:55 bnchs; jannies
00:55 bnchs; fix the bot!!
00:55 bnchs; wrong window
00:55 TR News; Mozilla Firefox Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163646
00:55 TR Bot; Mozilla Firefox Leftovers | Tux Machines
00:55 *AltLink_edbc (~AltLink_edbc@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights
00:57 TR News; Intel outsourced to Microsoft proprietary software as usual https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-ControlFlag-1.1-PHP Intel got innfiltrated, scuttled in-house GitLAB http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
00:57 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-ControlFlag-1.1-PHP https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-ControlFlag-1.1-PHP
00:57 TR Bot; Updates ControlFlag AI-Driven Project To Spot Possible Bugs In PHP Code - Phoronix
00:57 TR Bot; Intel leaks - Techrights
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.56 k/sec., IPFS upstream 81.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 362.50
01:00 TR News; Customizing KDE Plasma:#HowTo Edit Panels And Layout - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/videos/customizing-kde-plasma-how-to-edit-panels-and-layout/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux
01:00 TR Bot; KDE Plasma: How To Edit Panels And Layout - TuxDigital
01:01 TR News; I Spent 90 Days In openSUSE Tumbleweed, This Is What Happened! - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/videos/i-spent-90-days-in-opensuse-tumbleweed-this-is-what-happened/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux
01:01 TR Bot; Spent 90 Days In openSUSE Tumbleweed, This Is What Happened! - TuxDigital
01:02 TR News; "Custom Gtk Cell Renderer in GTK4 GtkComboBox in LibreOffice now working as hoped for" http://caolanm.blogspot.com/2022/04/gtk4-combobox-cell-renderers.html
01:02 TR Bot; Caoln McNamara: GTK4: ComboBox Cell Renderers
01:03 TR News; How to Run Multiple Linux Distributions Inside the Terminal Using Distrobox https://www.makeuseof.com/run-multiple-linux-distros-inside-terminal-distrobox/ Source: makeuseof
01:03 TR Bot; How to Run Multiple Linux Distributions Inside the Terminal Using Distrobox
01:04 matey; /me boils tea leaves
01:05 MinceR; you forgot the water
01:06 *schestowitz-TR leaves
01:06 MinceR; eats, shoots and leaves
01:06 TR News; WordPress 6.0 Beta 1 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163647
01:06 TR Bot; WordPress 6.0 Beta 1 | Tux Machines
01:08 XRevan86; Maybe Biden reads what I write here, because he also just called Putin a dictator (:
01:08 TR News; Todays Linux Foundation Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163648
01:08 TR Bot; Today's Linux Foundation Fluff | Tux Machines
01:08 XRevan86; Very wise, very wise.
01:08 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163649
01:08 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
01:08 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: unlike Mo bin Salman
01:09 matey; MinceR: thats what im boiling them in
01:09 MinceR; good
01:09 matey; at least for the moment
01:09 XRevan86; schestowitz: What's he saying?
01:10 *salty (~b9dc6546@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights
01:10 matey; /me adds milk and boils that too
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01:11 schestowitz; I use this http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Winter-in-Manchester/20190217_110636
01:11 TR Bot; 20190217 110636
01:11 schestowitz; we got it 80% off original price at shutdown sale (Clas Olson)
01:11 salty; you add milk to tea matey?
01:11 matey; /me uses a $2 pan that he got for free, but would have gladly paid $30 for it
01:12 salty; how about some honey
01:12 matey; you have to add milk to tea
01:12 schestowitz-TR; and salt
01:12 salty; seawater
01:12 salty; *that's
01:13 MinceR; no, i don't have to
01:13 AltLink_edbc; Tomorrow, Richard Stallman will be speaking about the #freesoftware movement and your freedom. His speech will be nontechnical and admission is gratis. Online at 14:00 EDT (18:00 UTC) https://u.fsf.org/3i-
01:13 TR Bot; Richard Stallman: The state of the free software movement Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
01:14 matey; unless youre lactose intolerant
01:14 matey; or vegan
01:14 matey; or just hate milk
01:14 schestowitz-TR; soy
01:14 salty; 'milk is for the weak'
01:14 matey; /me removes the leaves and adds a little more milk to make it less boiling
01:14 schestowitz-TR; salty: like salves
01:14 schestowitz-TR; calves
01:14 schestowitz-TR; and babies
01:14 DaemonFC; You
01:14 DaemonFC; 257 kWh
01:14 DaemonFC; Efficient neighbors
01:14 DaemonFC; 480 kWh
01:14 DaemonFC; All neighbors
01:14 DaemonFC; 879 kWh
01:15 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: haha
01:15 schestowitz-TR; but... how many tenants?
01:15 schestowitz-TR; needs to be per tenant
01:15 DaemonFC; They count similar apartments in the area.
01:15 MinceR; https://everything2.com/title/SOY%2521+SOY%2521+SOY%2521+Soy+makes+you+strong%2521+Strength+crushes+enemies%2521+SOY%2521 https://web.archive.org/web/20101011120702/http://everything2.com:80/title/SOY!%20SOY!%20SOY!%20Soy%20makes%20you%20strong!%20Strength%20crushes%20enemies!%20SOY!
01:15 TR Bot; ( status 502 @ https://everything2.com/title/SOY%2521+SOY%2521+SOY%2521+Soy+makes+you+strong%2521+Strength+crushes+enemies%2521+SOY%2521 )
01:15 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20101011120702/http://everything2.com:80/title/SOY!%20SOY!%20SOY!%20Soy%20makes%20you%20strong!%20Strength%20crushes%20enemies!%20SOY )
01:15 schestowitz-TR; and kids typically need heating on
01:16 matey; no soy marinero
01:16 matey; soy capitan soy capitan
01:16 TR News; "I got a bunch of replies with tools I hadnt heard of, so I thought Id make a list here. A lot of people also pointed at the modern-unix list." https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/04/12/a-list-of-new-ish--command-line-tools/
01:16 Alternative link; CloudFlare: jvns.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/04/12/a-list-of-new-ish--command-line-tools/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/04/12/a-list-of-new-ish--command-line-tools/
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01:16 TR Bot; A list of new(ish) command line tools
01:17 matey; /me wonders how much energy is used by the companies making the smart meters
01:17 matey; not just to make the smart meters either
01:17 schestowitz-TR; spy meters
01:17 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC ranks low in the CommunistEdison chart
01:18 schestowitz-TR; if he falls below 200 they sent in a a SWAT team
01:18 schestowitz-TR; *send
01:18 matey; because hes obviously tampering with the meter
01:18 matey; a capital offense
01:19 TR News; "As everyone whos anyone knows, the next Mesa release branchpoint is coming up tomorrow." https://www.supergoodcode.com/branch/
01:19 TR Bot; Branch Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.
01:19 matey; edison of course, wasnt a communist
01:20 matey; but he was good buddies with ford, a nazi sympathiser
01:20 MinceR; ah, so a national communist? :>
01:20 schestowitz-TR; matey: it's a joke about ComEd
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01:20 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC calls them that
01:20 matey; nationalism does horrible things to socialism
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01:20 matey; schestowitz-TR: im pretending i dont get it
01:21 schestowitz-TR; AltLink_edbc: later today our time
01:21 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/rms-vs-clownflare/
01:21 TR Bot; Richard Stallman on Why Sites With Clownflare (Cloudflare) Harm Freedom and Human Rights | Techrights
01:21 matey; and yet if youd said stalinistedison youd be right on the money
01:22 matey; stalin would have fucking loved these things
01:22 TR News; Purism wants you yo know it does greenwashing too https://puri.sm/posts/purism-cares-about-environmental-impact/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwashing
01:22 TR Bot; Purism Cares about Environmental Impact Purism
01:22 TR Bot; Greenwashing - Wikipedia
01:23 DaemonFC; <matey> schestowitz-TR: im pretending i dont get it
01:23 matey; "is there a setting to starve people too?"
01:23 DaemonFC; Commonwealth Edison is the official name.
01:24 DaemonFC; I call them Communist Edison because the state keeps "bailing them out" with billions of dollars of tax money.
01:24 TR News; Whats New in Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish https://www.howtogeek.com/796765/whats-new-in-ubuntu-2204-jammy-jellyfish/ Source: howtogeek
01:24 TR Bot; Whats New in Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish
01:24 matey; and here i thought it was a reference to con edison
01:24 matey; but of course thats ny, not chicago
01:25 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: COMMON wealth
01:25 DaemonFC; schestowitz, The dealer told me that they normally upcharge for 0w30 but they just gave me the coupon price for it.
01:25 schestowitz-TR; he shares his money with yo
01:25 schestowitz-TR; like the Queen of England
01:25 schestowitz-TR; the energy is FREE!
01:25 schestowitz-TR; communism
01:26 DaemonFC; They said they carry 40 gallon drums of 5w30 synthetic, but they only have gallon jugs of 0w30.
01:26 DaemonFC; Not many people know to ask for it, I guess.
01:26 matey; her majestys a pretty nice girl but she doesnt have a lot to say
01:26 DaemonFC; I think GM moved straight from 5w30 down to 0w20 though.
01:26 schestowitz-TR; they instruct her not to say much
01:26 DaemonFC; So 0w30 at a GM dealer would be an odd thing to ask for.
01:26 matey; They said they carry 40 gallon drums of 5w30 synthetic, but they only have gallon jugs of 0w30. <- ooh, is dfc getting synthetic jugs?
01:26 schestowitz-TR; or to give nazi salutes
01:27 DaemonFC; <matey> They said they carry 40 gallon drums of 5w30 synthetic, but they only have gallon jugs of 0w30. <- ooh, is dfc getting synthetic jugs?
01:27 DaemonFC; I use synthetic oil in all my cars, even when they're a total beater.
01:27 DaemonFC; Once the metal parts give up, your car is finished, and the oil changes don't really cost more since you can get more mileage out of them.
01:27 matey; /me checks the clock
01:27 DaemonFC; Especially if you use a good oil and air filter and they don't crap it up as fast.
01:28 matey; time for neighbour to be a cunt for about an hour (hopefully not more)
01:28 *schestowitz-TR knows magazines about synthetic jugs
01:28 DaemonFC; The oil has to suspend particles that make it past the air filter and do not get caught by the oil filter.
01:28 DaemonFC; Walmart uses the cheapest of both, so if you use FRAM air filters and CORE TLE oil filters, you cause excessive engine wear.
01:29 matey; fortunately wal mart can do an engine overhaul for like $50
01:29 DaemonFC; Because the oil filter is so cheap that the filtration media will collapse and cause contaminated oil to bypass the filter and start circulating.
01:29 TR News; Videos: openSUSE Tumbleweed, EndeavourOS 22.1, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163650
01:29 TR Bot; Videos: openSUSE Tumbleweed, EndeavourOS 22.1, and More | Tux Machines
01:30 DaemonFC; While the FRAM air filters allow almost 500% more large particles through than the OE AC Delco filters.
01:30 DaemonFC; It's a recipe for disaster even if the fuck ups who work back there don't just strip out or cross thread your oil drain bolt and cause a $800 repair.
01:31 DaemonFC; Go to the dealer. For God's sake, it's not even more expensive. They have coupons at the dealer!
01:31 DaemonFC; Especially if you're like me and you want your car to last a while.
01:31 DaemonFC; If you service the powertrain on those old cars, they last forever.
01:31 TR News; Firefox finally has a tab management add-on worth using Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163651
01:31 TR Bot; Firefox finally has a tab management add-on worth using | Tux Machines
01:31 DaemonFC; I've seen in excess of 700,000 miles on the original powertrain on Crown Victorias.
01:33 DaemonFC; The fenders on these GM cars always end up rusting at some point, but that's a yearslong process even here if you take your car to the wash regularly.
01:34 DaemonFC; What people do is they get a new car, and a $600-700 payment, can't afford to maintain it, don't take it to the wash, and then it's a rusty pig at like 5-6 years old.
01:34 TR News; "The Gemini community is globally very nice and I've really been enjoying the different interaction I had with fellow geminauts over station, tinylogs, gemlog entries or via email (keep emails coming!)." gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/adiabatic/scrawlspace/
01:35 salty; https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5656994/
01:35 TR Bot; 'Gemini' (2022) - IMDb
01:36 TR News; "The Apache Software Foundation has released a security advisory to address a vulnerability in Struts in the version range 2.0.0 to 2.5.29. An attacker could exploit this vulnerability to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/12/apache-releases-security-advisory-struts-2
01:36 TR Bot; Apache Releases Security Advisory for Struts 2 | CISA
01:36 TR News; Linux Kernel: Ksplice and Mesa Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163652
01:36 TR Bot; Linux Kernel: Ksplice and Mesa | Tux Machines
01:36 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eB0aROCl530
01:36 TR Bot; Rose Royce - Car Wash (1976) - Invidious
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01:41 TR News; IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163653
01:41 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
01:42 schestowitz-TR; salty: that'll 'dilute' mentions of the Realthing
01:43 salty; normies do not know what Gemini is (movies vs protocol)
01:43 schestowitz-TR; space mission
01:43 schestowitz-TR; zodiac sign
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01:47 TR News; Games: Microsoft Breaking Linux and Old World Cines to GNU/Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163654
01:47 TR Bot; Games: Microsoft 'Breaking' Linux and Old World Cines to GNU/Linux | Tux Machines
01:48 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Remini
01:48 TR Bot; Leah Remini - Wikipedia
01:48 TR News; Microsoft Squeezes Charities for Cash Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163655
01:48 TR Bot; Microsoft Squeezes Charities for Cash | Tux Machines
01:48 matey; cockney rhyming slang!
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01:53 matey; pandering to normie straw men is a redmond mind trick anyway
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01:54 matey; only microsoft would imply that its somehow wrong to refer to a program by its own name, while they constantly rebrand their own to reputation wash internet mosaic
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01:54 matey; "normies dont know what html stands for!" "well who fucking cares about that anyway"
01:55 matey; better "html" than "ms-web"
01:55 salty; xhtml xml
01:55 matey; uck xhtml with a rusty old tractor
01:55 matey; fuck too
01:55 salty; mhtml mht
01:56 matey; normies probably dont even know what www stands for
01:57 DaemonFC; I don't get people.
01:57 DaemonFC; They buy a $60,000 car and ruin it and then act like nothing just happened.
01:57 matey; but thats okay, you dont go to normies for computer advice-- you dont go to a guy leaning out of a pickup truck window for a medical opinion
01:57 DaemonFC; <matey> but thats okay, you dont go to normies for computer advice-- you dont go to a guy leaning out of a pickup truck window for a medical opinion
01:58 DaemonFC; No, you go to the guy who costs $2,000 an hour thanks to Obamacare so you can get your blood pressure meds refilled.
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 49.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 302.05
01:59 matey; when the usa wants to get rid of everyone who knowss about computers, theyll make obamacare for i.t.
02:00 matey; youll get your computer back in 6 weeks with a formatted drive and the latest version of windows. on your macbook.
02:01 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Irvin
02:01 TR Bot; Richard C. Irvin - Wikipedia
02:01 DaemonFC; I decided who I'll vote for this year for Governor of Illinois.
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02:01 TR News; Well Be Back to Normal Shortly | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/12/back-to-normal-shortly-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/12/back-to-normal-shortly-2/
02:01 TR Bot; Well Be Back to Normal Shortly | Techrights
02:14 bnchs; everyone's shitting over the PSN game license expiration
02:14 bnchs; i knew this was gonna happen
02:15 matey; psn game license <- you need a license to hunt your own playstation in the woods?
02:16 matey; when are they in season?
02:16 bnchs; this is why i hate digital store
02:17 matey; every business is turning into a scam
02:17 matey; thanks, open source
02:17 bnchs; nopaystation ftw
02:18 MinceR; there's at least one digital store without DRM
02:18 TR News; Links 12/04/2022: LXQts 1.1.0 Promises and PeaZip 8.6 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/12/peazip-8-6/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/12/peazip-8-6/
02:18 TR Bot; Links 12/04/2022: LXQts 1.1.0 Promises and PeaZip 8.6 | Techrights
02:19 matey; p-droid
02:19 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163656
02:19 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
02:19 bnchs; my downloaded games haven't gotten expired on me
02:19 TR News; Free Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163657
02:19 TR Bot; Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
02:19 matey; /me expects the next playstation to be based on android, even though they use bsd now
02:19 TR News; Open Hardware and Devices With GNU/Linux Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163658
02:20 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: fixed
02:20 TR Bot; Open Hardware and Devices With GNU/Linux Support | Tux Machines
02:20 schestowitz-TR; the "code" bit in gemini proxy
02:20 bnchs; also the big joke, it's apparently a date bug in sony's end
02:21 schestowitz; 0d9fa03..beb45db master -> origin/master
02:21 schestowitz; Updating 0d9fa03..beb45db
02:21 schestowitz; Fast-forward
02:21 matey; that elusive y2022 bug no one was expecting
02:21 schestowitz; Gemini/Gemini-Proxy/gemini-proxy.pl | 16 +++++++++++++---
02:21 matey; <schestowitz> 0d9fa03..beb45db main -> origin/main
02:21 matey; fixed!
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02:27 MinceR; 13 031943 < matey> /me expects the next playstation to be based on android, even though they use bsd now
02:27 MinceR; ouya 2? :>
02:28 matey; the hardware side of it should be a bit more impressive
02:28 matey; but maybe sony will get silly and just use some old sbc. they did come out with that cd player that wont play standard size cds (no, not minidisc)
02:29 matey; ive been boycotting sony for nearly long enough to have a kid and get them into college
02:29 MinceR; :>
02:30 matey; in fact i recently heard from an old college flame...
02:30 matey; i mean that was just before the sony rootkit thing
02:32 matey; if ive sired any kids though its like mick jagger or steven tyler though
02:32 matey; no ones informed me (and i think its unlikely)
02:32 TR News; How to install KGraphEditor on Linux | FOSS Linux https://www.fosslinux.com/58133/kgrapheditor-on-linux.htm Source: fosslinux
02:32 -AltLink_738/#techrights- CloudFlare: fosslinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fosslinux.com/58133/kgrapheditor-on-linux.htm https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.fosslinux.com/58133/kgrapheditor-on-linux.htm
02:32 TR Bot; How to install KGraphEditor on Linux | FOSS Linux
02:34 TR News; "If you want to test the Gentoo LiveGUI, but don't feel like cutting short the precious uptime of your machine, here's a handy bash script for testing the iso files with qemu..." https://dilfridge.blogspot.com/2022/04/testing-gentoo-livegui-with-qemu.html
02:34 TR Bot; the dilfridge blog: Testing the Gentoo LiveGUI with QEmu
02:35 TR News; Weve had exceptionally difficult couple of days for technical reasons (issues), hence no articles; but thatll change shortly as we seem to have resolved all these issues (hours ago) http://techrights.org/2022/04/12/back-to-normal-shortly-2/
02:35 TR Bot; Well Be Back to Normal Shortly | Techrights
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02:37 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, April 12, 2022
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02:39 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, April 12, 2022
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02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, April 12, 2022
02:41 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-04-12.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-04-12.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:55 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163659
02:55 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
02:56 TR News; Announcing the First Oracle Solaris 11.4 CBE Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163642
02:56 TR Bot; Announcing the First Oracle Solaris 11.4 CBE | Tux Machines
02:56 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163660
02:56 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 66.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 319.31
03:04 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 156450 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40141 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 2 months 3 days ago
03:05 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 2.0 GB TotalOut: 495 MB
03:06 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:07 IPFS; QmPBJbJsX1TBvg8QRMe1HjeWiLJ1vdE72GnBdqt1JpSxPi
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03:18 matey; https://www.fsf.org/live
03:18 TR Bot; Live-session Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
03:18 matey; Please note that all online participants and interactions are expected to abide by the safe space policy. https://libreplanet.org/2022/safe-space-policy/
03:19 TR Bot; LibrePlanet 2022 Safe space policy
03:19 matey; We are broadcasting live, connect with us on IRC at #fsf on Libera.Chat
03:19 matey; fsf: we fight for your freedom!
03:19 matey; rms: i made the kind guidelines to avoid a coc
03:19 matey; lieplanet: hold my beer
03:20 matey; https://www.fsf.org/events/rms-20220413-online "Richard Stallman will be speaking about the free software movement and your freedom. His speech will be nontechnical"
03:20 TR Bot; Richard Stallman: The state of the free software movement Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
03:20 matey; my guess is his speech wont be about the state of free speech in the free software movement
03:21 matey; or about how its impossible to have free software without free speech
03:21 MinceR; :>
03:21 matey; be sure to mention this on liebera.chat, where you certainly wont be shadowbanned for life.
03:21 matey; the official chat of the open software foundation.
03:22 matey; NO SERIOUSLY, PLEASE RICHARD, PROVE ME WRONG so i can stfu
03:22 matey; id love nothing more
03:22 matey; people must think i enjoy being right
03:22 matey; it fucking sucks
03:23 matey; its sucked for like 7 years. hey lucy, im ready to kick the ball now!
03:23 MinceR; +
03:24 matey; people will have freedom when they stop waiting for the fsf to chew it up like a mama bird and regurgitate it into their little beaks
03:27 matey; join us now and share the software https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jAxIJ49uQWY
03:28 TR Bot; Mother bird feeding baby birds - Invidious
03:28 matey; oh wait, thats not software, its just bugs
03:30 matey; im totally in favour of people helping each other with free software
03:30 matey; thats a good thing
03:31 matey; the fsf is totally in favour of companies taking over that process, so that theyre in control, i mean in charge, i mean so that theyre the ones "helping" us
03:31 MinceR; :>
03:31 matey; this is at odds with people helping each other
03:32 matey; it shouldnt be. i became a fucking libertarian based on the idea that free software could exist and even draw help from companies
03:32 matey; and then the fine print manifested itself.
03:32 matey; its not that libertarianism is impossible
03:32 matey; its just that companies will never want it.
03:32 MinceR; just get rid of humans
03:33 matey; well, you know roy thinks im the one who throws the baby out with the bathwater
03:33 MinceR; or engineer them into something better, something intelligent, something civilized
03:33 matey; and youre like "get rid of the whole fucking bathroom!"
03:33 matey; or engineer them into something better <- thats seems to be the only viable plan
03:33 matey; it all depends what you mean by engineer
03:34 matey; im still in favour of getting rid of government
03:34 matey; but i only know one way to do it that shows real promise
03:35 matey; "get rid of humans"
03:35 matey; mr garrison, every year you tell us to get rid of the <strike>mexicans</strike> humans, and every year we tell you no
03:37 MinceR; sounds very much like "yes" to me
03:37 matey; rofl
03:37 MinceR; with all the steps humans are taking to take themselves out
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03:38 matey; i wouldnt tell anyone to focus only the good stuff
03:38 matey; id be the worlds biggest hypocrite then
03:39 MinceR; what i mean is genetic engineering and/or possibly cybernetics
03:39 matey; but theres nothing wrong with us genetically
03:39 matey; and cybernetics are already here
03:39 MinceR; there's plenty wrong with us genetically
03:39 matey; well i mean
03:39 MinceR; like the fact that we're generally defenseless against memetic pathogens
03:40 matey; we arent perfect, but efforts to be perfect have historically gone REALLY badly
03:40 MinceR; or that most humans end up being too stupid to avoid harming themselves
03:40 matey; genetic utopianism is as bad as any other sort of utopianism
03:40 MinceR; so we just give up?
03:40 matey; i mean progress is the only thing that will save us, so no giving up
03:41 matey; but utopianism is just tyranny with REALLY good marketing
03:41 matey; and weve been down that road lots of times
03:41 matey; so progress is better when it doesnt lead to a utopia
03:41 matey; at least so far
03:41 MinceR; i think you're referring to a much more crude method used in a misguided way
03:41 matey; i mean maybe sometime we will get lucky
03:42 matey; maybe the goal of utopia itself is crude?
03:42 matey; like first we just agree on what perfection is... oops
03:42 MinceR; depends on what a utopia is
03:42 matey; of course
03:42 matey; i mean christians have been waiting to die and get utopia for ages
03:42 MinceR; a society of humans that aren't trying to screw each other over every chance they get, is that utopia?
03:42 matey; and while they wait, why not kill a bunch of people over here for not creating that utopia early while they get impatient
03:43 matey; a society of humans that aren't trying to screw each other over every chance they get, is that utopia? <- nope
03:43 matey; thats just decent people
03:43 MinceR; a society of humans that doesn't aim to propel every sociopath into the position of greatest power possible, is that utopia?
03:43 matey; nope, thats just fucking sanity
03:43 matey; which compared to this, SOUNDS utopian
03:43 MinceR; see, that's what needs to be engineered into humans
03:43 matey; /me coughs "social engineering"
03:44 matey; but even that implies fuckery
03:44 MinceR; genetic
03:44 matey; why would genes do that?
03:44 MinceR; afaik genes do sociopathy
03:44 matey; im gonna say no.
03:44 matey; i honestly think genes are NOT the main ingredient in sociopathy, and maybe science will prove that wrong
03:45 matey; or maybe it has, i think it hasnt.
03:45 MinceR; or we could just let humans off themselves and hope earth life figures something out in the 1 billion years it has left
03:45 MinceR; (fat chance)
03:45 matey; im not going to war with science on this, but i think sociopathy is MOSTLY a nurture issue, not genetic
03:45 matey; genes can be a factor of course
03:45 MinceR; don't go to war with science. practice science.
03:45 matey; and i think genes can produce a sociopath of course
03:45 matey; but i think most sociopathy isnt caused by genes, and i think ultimately science will back me up on that
03:46 matey; which is a great reason to not be at war with it
03:46 matey; when its going to prove you right ultimately
03:46 matey; i think nurture is a way bigger factor than nature on this one
03:46 matey; and ive sort of been "studying" sociopaths all my life
03:46 matey; not formally, not expertly, just otherwise thoroughly
03:47 matey; its a problem id like to see solved at least to the point where it doesnt run the fucking world like it does
03:47 matey; and if science can do a better job, well jolly good for science
03:47 matey; im taking a different approach but im not trying to stop science from doing that
03:48 matey; i see a world run by people who manipulate science for selfish reasons and
03:48 matey; i doubt theyre eager to cure themselves.
03:48 matey; but thats not the only option
03:49 matey; in fact i probably would have been content to focus on free software!
03:49 matey; but as you can see... the fuckers ruined that too
03:49 MinceR; yeah
03:50 matey; so its not enough to discover fucking insulin or something
03:50 matey; no, you also have to figure out what to do when bayer sends thugs to try to torch your house for it
03:50 matey; and so on
03:50 matey; if you look at poor lessigs career, its just like that
03:51 matey; hes going to terraform a planet so it can have saner copyright laws
03:51 matey; thats the only way he can go "up" from the level hes at now
03:51 matey; he took it to scotus nearly 20 years ago. hes obviously skipped the united nations as theyre useless
03:52 matey; if he kills putin and starts a galactic war, ill be like "thats our lessig"
03:52 matey; theres a guy who wouldnt stop ahead of jesus himself to see that copyright law gets reformed
03:52 matey; though id be just as happy if we abolished it like the idiotic relic it is
03:53 matey; we hardly ever use leeches in medicine anymore
03:53 matey; copyleft is alright, but not worth keeping copyright around for (despite what rms and mjg say)
03:54 matey; copyleft is a treatment posing as a cure, and its a good treatment if we have nothing else
03:54 mjg59_; Oh I'm in favour of getting rid of copyright even if it means losing copyleft
03:54 matey; but keeping copyright around isnt necessarily sane
03:54 mjg59_; I just want people to understand what the consequences are
03:54 matey; I'm in favour of getting rid of copyright even if it means losing copyleft <- hey!
03:54 matey; yeah i mean patents get people to disclose how things work
03:55 matey; if you care about these issues for long enough you pick up the basics
03:55 matey; copyleft has merits too
03:55 matey; im in favour of a scientific approach to copyleft
03:55 matey; no dogma, no sentimentality, just facts and context and research and findings.
03:56 matey; historical evidence counts, hypotheses count but arent findings.
03:56 matey; ive heard damned good hypotheses for copyleft, even helped spread them.
03:56 matey; im not emotionally attached to it. copyleft is a tool for making something happen. if it fails, or costs too much, fuck it.
03:56 mjg59_; But getting rid of copyright would almost certainly involve a shitload more DRM
03:57 mjg59_; It'd just be enforced through contract law rather than copyright
03:57 matey; imo drm is propped up mostly through copyright
03:57 matey; without things like dmca it would be laughable
03:57 mjg59_; Eventually we'd break the DRM, but it's always going to be an arms race
03:57 matey; unless of course, theres some secret black ops extraterrestrial area 51 drm lurking in some quantum computing lab
03:58 matey; waiting for a day when copyright is abolished, to show us what REAL copy protection looks like
03:58 matey; then i guess we would be really fucked
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03:59 matey; imo if drm worked that well... it wouldnt need bs like dmca propping it up, cutting swaths of "first sale doctrine" out of libraries
03:59 mjg59_; DMCA propping it up means they can spend less money on it
03:59 matey; libraries are an arms race too... or they were until about 20 years ago
03:59 matey; DMCA propping it up means they can spend less money on it <- fair point
03:59 matey; but spending more money on it means we can hurt them more with it
03:59 mjg59_; Yeah, DRM is a thing where everyone loses
04:00 matey; like software patents
04:00 mjg59_; But people will try to extend an existing business model even in the face of changing circumstances
04:00 matey; of course
04:00 matey; its just business
04:00 matey; oh, sorry iraqi civilians
04:00 matey; just business
04:01 matey; i was happy to play nice with capitalists until very recently
04:01 matey; they went to far, and a quanity became a quality
04:01 matey; no more libertarian mr nice guy
04:02 matey; you know i actually met mark dice once?
04:02 matey; he turned into kind of a dick
04:02 matey; i mean i only met him once, he was probably always like that
04:02 matey; but seeing him on youtube, damn
04:02 matey; what a douche
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04:02 matey; not like that in person, at least he wasnt
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04:03 matey; /me isnt sure how many people know who mark dice is
04:03 MinceR; 13 045428 < mjg59_> Oh I'm in favour of getting rid of copyright even if it means losing copyleft
04:03 MinceR; same
04:03 MinceR; copyleft seems to be losing its teeth anyway
04:03 matey; im not one of the people writing a eulogy for copyleft yet
04:04 matey; i still think most of the "gotcha last" memes are flimsy
04:04 matey; but we will see
04:04 matey; im comfortable with permissive and with copyleft
04:04 matey; ive written permissive licensed software, public domain software and gpl3 software
04:06 matey; however im not sure that kuhns take on copyleft is a good idea
04:06 matey; on the one hand, maybe copyleft cant work without it...
04:06 matey; on the other hand, maybe copyright trolls can harass you over your own software
04:06 matey; but they can do that with permissive too
04:06 matey; its really a cultural issue imo as much as a legal one
04:06 matey; what culture are we building
04:06 matey; the laws will ultimately fit the culture, they always do
04:07 matey; if we bow to corporations, we will be ruled by corporate laws
04:07 matey; if we reject their shit, we will be ruled less
04:07 matey; people think its not that simple, because theres evidence to the contrary
04:07 matey; but theres also a lot of evidence that its true
04:08 matey; we dont focus on it of course, because the media isnt sympathetic to the people, its own by monopolies
04:08 matey; even the tech press is mostly charlatans like roy says
04:08 matey; shills
04:08 matey; short term gains, long term sellouts
04:09 matey; mr microbel and his crates being the most recent most comical example
04:09 matey; spamnil still relevant as a bad example
04:09 matey; things i dont dispute
04:10 matey; unionisation is making progress
04:10 matey; i dont hold any illusions about unions being the answer to everything
04:10 matey; what typically happens to a union is someone makes it to the top who spends half their time selling out and capitulating
04:10 matey; they negotiate between the union members and the businesses
04:11 matey; then one day they sell out too much and get their head cut off
04:11 matey; or they just get replaced with someone else, and find something else to do with their time
04:11 matey; unions provide a push, a first step, a staging area for further progress
04:12 matey; but a lot of what happens with them is also bullshit
04:12 matey; and they also accomplish things too
04:12 matey; theres a lot of unionisation going on in tech that isnt talked about much
04:12 matey; huge strides in the past few years
04:12 matey; if its not the solution, it counts as a sign
04:13 matey; its a big sign of things to come
04:13 matey; "big tech" as they say is going to get real opponents
04:13 matey; fuck knows when... but for certain
04:14 matey; i doubt rms will mention 5% of this today
04:14 matey; he has too many people to please, and he actually cares about making people happy now
04:14 matey; progress isnt happy business. only opportunists want you to think its all fucking sunshine so they can sell you bs
04:15 matey; "i love you all!" lennart poettering actually said this
04:15 matey; he should have put up two victory signs like nixon (churchhill?)
04:16 matey; i think they still mean the same thing as in the states when the palms are outward :)
04:16 matey; "oh, sorry, i did that backwards"
04:20 matey; "During the Vietnam War, in the 1960s, the "V sign" with palm outward was widely adopted by the counterculture as a symbol of peace and still today in the United States it is commonly called the "peace sign". Shortly thereafter, it also became a gesture associated with fun used in photographs, especially in East Asia, where the gesture is also associated with cuteness."
04:20 matey; asia really is novel as fuck sometimes.
04:21 matey; "The more widespread use as a victory sign ("V for Victory"), with the palm outward, was introduced in January 1941 as part of a campaign by the Allies of World War II."
04:22 matey; boomers at it
04:22 matey; who knew it was invented by boomers
04:22 matey; or their parents
04:23 matey; i was right, churchill did it too
04:24 matey; "By July 1941, the emblematic use of the letter V had spread through occupied Europe. On 19 July, Prime Minister Winston Churchill referred approvingly to the V for Victory campaign in a speech,[36] from which point he started using the V hand sign."
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04:24 matey; this is funny
04:24 matey; "The Germans could not remove all the signs, so they adopted the V Sign as a German symbol, sometimes adding laurel leaves under it, painting their own V's on walls, vehicles and adding a massive V on the Eiffel Tower."
04:25 matey; "ve also changed zee vay ve pronounce vords!"
04:25 matey; probably not related
04:36 matey; they are really pushing for funding
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04:37 matey; "for this talk, richard stallman is wearing a classic fsf logo print polo shirt, available in from our store."
04:38 matey; "are you tired of companies that dont respect your freedom? so are we... join us today and give us money so you can hear lots more about joining us and giving us money"
04:39 matey; i wouldnt be so hard on them (lies!) except ive seen this sort of thing in actual cults
04:39 matey; it starts out about love and humanity and pretty soon its just one long fundraising drive
04:39 matey; everythings free, and an invitation to give give give
04:39 matey; and you dont have to of course, but if you CARE you WILL give give give
04:40 matey; and very quickly you realise that its not about anything except the fundraising
04:40 matey; and they really have nothing left to say, because they stopped paying attention to their own cause
04:40 matey; im not saying thats whats happened to the fsf
04:41 matey; im only saying that for a few years thats the trend ive tried to see something besides
04:41 matey; maybe this year!
04:52 matey; "How NFTs in Videogames Could Shape the Metaverses Future | WSJ" "Wall Street Journal"
04:52 matey; ...
04:52 matey; when did the wall street journal get purchased by the history channel?
04:53 matey; "aliens"
04:53 matey; also i was searching for "nixon"
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08:07 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, April 12, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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08:08 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163661
08:08 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
08:16 TR News; "This seems like a simple enough problem to solve. Add the proxy to the system settings, import the certificate to the global cert store and be done with it" https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/04/getting-web-proxys-and-certificates.html | Source: Jussi Pakkanen
08:16 TR Bot; Nibble Stew: Getting web proxys and certificates working on Linux or "if it's all the same to you, I'd rather take a thousand years of the Sarlacc pit, thankyouverymuch"
08:17 TR News; "Between 2022-04-05 and 2022-04-12 there were 25 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-native-linux-clients-2022-04-12/ | Source: Boiling Steam
08:17 TR Bot; New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-04-12 Edition - Boiling Steam
08:18 TR News; "Distro hopping is a term that refers to the activity of computer users constantly installing and trying out different Linux distributions and/or BSD variants" https://unixsheikh.com/articles/the-flaws-of-distro-hopping-and-asking-other-people-about-their-os-of-choice.html | Source: Unix Sheikh
08:18 TR Bot; The flaws of distro hopping and asking other people about their OS of choice
08:18 TR News; "The Linux kernel has a number of fs.* sysctls to restrict the ability to do various traditionally allowed things that have proven to (sometimes) be exploitable" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/DebianProcpsOpinionated | Source: uni Toronto
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08:18 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/DebianProcpsOpinionated
08:21 TR News; "By default, keys are not loaded in flash, and the bootloader will boot any sketch." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/introducing-the-arduino-secure-boot/ | Source: Arduino
08:21 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/introducing-the-arduino-secure-boot/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/introducing-the-arduino-secure-boot/
08:21 TR Bot; Introducing the Arduino secure boot
08:21 TR News; "Raspberry Pi computers require a piece of non-free software to boot" https://gwolf.org/2022/04/how-is-the-free-firmware-for-the-raspberry-progressing.html | Source: Gunnar Wolf
08:21 TR Bot; Gunnar Wolf How is the free firmware for the Raspberry progressing?
08:22 TR News; "To conclude, why did I title this post why you should(nt) care about Monads if youre an R programmer?" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/why-you-shouldnt-care-about-monads-if-youre-an-r-programmer/ | Source: Rlang
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08:22 TR Bot; you should(nt) care about Monads if youre an R programmer | R-bloggers
08:23 TR News; "I think its interesting to see how the design principles of the web seep into technologies and tools we use everyday" https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/permeating-principles-of-the-web/ | Source: Jim Nielsen
08:23 TR Bot; Examples of the Permeating Principles of the Web - Jim Nielsens Blog
08:23 TR News; "Language Server Protocol (LSP) has quietly become a standard integration point, and thus a technical wedge." https://matt-rickard.com/language-server-protocols/ | Source: Matt Rickard
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08:23 TR Bot; Language Server Protocols
08:23 TR News; "Never change anything. You can only make it worse." https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/two-and-a-half-bad-bits | Source: Ted Unangst
08:23 TR Bot; two and a half bad bits
08:24 TR News; "digital identity, digital signature and e-services" https://news.err.ee/1608562972/estonia-supporting-mongolia-s-digital-transformation | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling
08:24 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://news.err.ee/1608562972/estonia-supporting-mongolia-s-digital-transformation )
08:24 TR News; "The court acknowledged that there was no evidence that Oberlin participated in drafting the flyer or the student senate resolution." https://www.natlawreview.com/article/ohio-court-appeals-affirms-30-million-libel-verdict-against-oberlin-college | Source: National LawReview US
08:24 TR Bot; Ohio Court affirmed $30,000,000 Judgement Against Oberlin College
08:24 TR News; "For another, the First Amendment isnt as protective of protest as you might think." https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/colleges-should-pay-heedto-oberlins-costly-libel-case/2022/04/07/04c251fe-b680-11ec-8358-20aa16355fb4_story.html | Source: The Washington Post
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08:24 TR Bot; Colleges Should Pay Heedto Oberlins Costly Libel Case - The Washington Post
08:26 TR News; "CNN Plus is reportedly struggling to gain viewers just two weeks out from its launch, according to a report from CNBC." https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/12/23022359/cnn-plus-viewership-rates-streaming-warnermedia | Source: The Verge
08:26 TR Bot; CNN Plus is reportedly drawing fewer than 10,000 viewers a day - The Verge
08:26 TR News; "The subscription news streaming service, which charges $5.99 a month or $59.99 annually" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/12/cnn-plus-low-viewership-numbers-warner-bros-discovery.html | Source: CNBC
08:26 TR Bot; CNN+ struggles to lure viewers, drawing under 10,000 daily users
08:27 TR News; "The fundamental problem with npm is that any package you install has full access to do whatever it wants on your computer. For example, packages can: [...]" https://josephg.com/blog/node-sandbox/ | Source: Seph
08:27 TR Bot; Capabilities for Nodejs
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08:27 TR News; "the issue is now being examined again. The use of biometric data came up again in Parliament in 2021" https://yle.fi/news/3-12401655 | Source: YLE
08:27 TR Bot; Ministry considers allowing police to use passport fingerprints in solving crimes | News | Yle Uutiset
08:29 TR News; "At some time after March 23, 2022, the threat actor installed wipers across the entire network, multiple substations." https://gru.gq/2022/04/12/i-cant-believe-its-not-cyberwar/ | Source: TheGrugq
08:29 TR Bot; I cant believe its not cyberwar
08:29 TR News; "Previously some loans came with annual interest of 700-800 percent" https://cphpost.dk/?p=133135 | Source: Copenhagen Post
08:29 TR Bot; Business Round-Up: Consumer council chair concerned about loan sharks on Facebook - The Post
08:30 TR News; "Twitter investors who sold their shares in the 11 days that Elon Musk was late in notifying financial regulators that hed acquired a considerable stake in the company" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/elon-musk-sued-twitter-investors-over-late-disclosure-1235129366/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
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08:30 TR Bot; Elon Musk Sued by Twitter Investors Over Late Disclosure The Hollywood Reporter
08:30 TR News; "Musk disclosed in an SEC filing on April 4 that he had bought shares representing 9.2 percent of Twitter, making him the largest outside shareholder of the company" https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-lawsuit-twitter-sued-sec-disclosures-rcna24138 | Source: NBC
08:30 TR Bot; Elon Musk sued by investor over delayed Twitter filing
08:30 TR News; "This may have been particularly pressing for Musk since there seem to be so many legal issues dogging him already, including some related to his large stake in Twitter" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/12/23021248/elon-musk-twitter-troll-board-seat-fiduciary-vs-fun | Source: The Verge
08:30 TR Bot; How Elon Musk got everything he wanted out of Twitter - The Verge
08:35 TR News; "Taxi drivers and taxi firms may not now use the Yandex tax app (Yandex Pro) to fulfill orders" https://news.err.ee/1608561205/yandex-ban-begins-in-estonia-on-monday | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling
08:36 TR Bot; Yandex ban begins in Estonia on Monday | News | ERR
08:36 TR News; "Headquartered in Washington, D.C., SIA represents 99 per cent of the US semiconductor industry by revenue and nearly two-thirds of non-US chip firms." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/top-us-trade-body-to-help-india-become-global-chip-manufacturing-hub/90802317 | Source: India Times
08:36 TR Bot; semiconductor manufacturing: Top US trade body to help India become global chip manufacturing hub, CIO News, ET CIO
08:39 TR News; Digital Restrictions (DRM) "Lets start out with the good, the hardware itself, before we tell you why you should almost assuredly avoid it and buy Intel instead, they are still unquestionably safe" https://semiaccurate.com/2022/01/18/amds-new-cpus-may-be-safe-to-deploy/ | Source: SemiAccurate
08:39 TR Bot; new CPUs may be safe to deploy - SemiAccurate
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08:49 schestowitz; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D201.jpg
08:50 TR News; "You may think that my tech-skeptical luddite brain would not get sucked into stravas data science gamification. But you would be wrong" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
08:51 TR News; "I'll summarise, as that's the sort of web site that we came to Gemini to avoid." gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-04-13_Hot_dogs_and__.gmi
08:51 TR News; "Matto has interesting article about RCS (ancient version control system, from '80s) and keyword expansion in it. I hadn't been aware of such thing. And it's possible also in Git (with some work around)." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi
08:52 TR News; My unpopular opinions about programming gemini://envs.net/~ae/gemlog/unpopular-opinions.gmi
08:52 TR News; "I've already mentioned this idea on my Mastodon account a while ago, but I feel like it's time to actually start working on it, now that I have very little schoolwork to do." gemini://envs.net/~ae/gemlog/designing-simple-isa.gmi
08:53 TR News; "Ed Sheeren has made it onto Techdirts radar many, many times." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/depressing-ed-sheeren-films-songwriting-sessions-due-to-all-the-copyright-suits/ | Source: Techdirt
08:53 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/depressing-ed-sheeren-films-songwriting-sessions-due-to-all-the-copyright-suits/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/depressing-ed-sheeren-films-songwriting-sessions-due-to-all-the-copyright-suits/
08:53 TR Bot; Ed Sheeran Films Songwriting Sessions Due To All The Copyright Suits | Techdirt
08:56 TR News; Microsoft patches holes only after they get exploited in the wild, and not only by NSA
08:57 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/irc-log-120422/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/irc-log-120422/
08:57 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 | Techrights
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.98 k/sec., IPFS upstream 93.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 308.55
09:02 TR News; "As Russia has faced a flood of sanctions for its brutal invasion of Ukraine, many telecom companies" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/u-s-eases-off-telecom-sanctions-that-could-encourage-a-russian-splinternet/ | Source: Techdirt
09:02 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/u-s-eases-off-telecom-sanctions-that-could-encourage-a-russian-splinternet/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/u-s-eases-off-telecom-sanctions-that-could-encourage-a-russian-splinternet/
09:02 TR Bot; Eases Off Telecom Sanctions That Could Encourage A Russian Splinternet | Techdirt
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10:01 TR News; "unionizing" https://truthout.org/articles/labor-boards-top-counsel-makes-a-formal-move-to-make-it-easier-to-unionize/ | Source: TruthOut
10:01 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/labor-boards-top-counsel-makes-a-formal-move-to-make-it-easier-to-unionize/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/labor-boards-top-counsel-makes-a-formal-move-to-make-it-easier-to-unionize/
10:01 TR Bot; Labor Boards Top Counsel Makes a Formal Move to Make it Easier to Unionize
10:02 TR News; Don't work at SweatshopZone. Don't buy, either. https://truthout.org/articles/nearly-half-of-all-warehouse-injuries-in-2021-happened-at-amazon-warehouses/ | Source: TruthOut
10:02 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/nearly-half-of-all-warehouse-injuries-in-2021-happened-at-amazon-warehouses/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/nearly-half-of-all-warehouse-injuries-in-2021-happened-at-amazon-warehouses/
10:02 TR Bot; Nearly Half of All Warehouse Injuries in 2021 Happened at Amazon Warehouses
10:06 TR News; Voting instead of labouring https://truthout.org/articles/democrats-introduce-bill-guaranteeing-workers-paid-time-off-to-vote/ | Source: TruthOut
↺ https://truthout.org/articles/democrats-introduce-bill-guaranteeing-workers-paid-time-off-to-vote/
10:06 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/democrats-introduce-bill-guaranteeing-workers-paid-time-off-to-vote/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/democrats-introduce-bill-guaranteeing-workers-paid-time-off-to-vote/
10:06 TR Bot; Democrats Introduce Bill Guaranteeing Workers Paid Time Off to Vote
10:08 TR News; "Chasing the Capitalists and Thieves Who Got Rich While We Got Sick" https://www.democracynow.org/2022/4/12/pandemic_inc_capitalists_pandemic_j_david | Source: Democracy Now
10:08 TR Bot; Pandemic, Inc.: J. David McSwane on Chasing Capitalists & Thieves Who Got Rich While We Got Sick | Democracy Now!
10:09 TR News; The problem is, ProPublica bagged bribed from one of those who profited from the sickness. ProPublica is taking bribes from Bill Gates, then complains? https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/
10:09 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/
10:09 TR Bot; While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation
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10:16 schestowitz-TR; [10:16] <Techrights-sec> If you look at recent editions of Linux Mint, it requires Restricted Boot
10:16 schestowitz-TR; [10:16] <Techrights-sec> to be active if it is to install the proprietary codecs. As far as I know
10:16 schestowitz-TR; [10:16] <Techrights-sec> that means they are pushing some kind of DRM with anti-end user lock down
10:16 schestowitz-TR; [10:16] <Techrights-sec> and lock in
10:17 TR News; "The Allliance for Creativity and Entertainment is trying to find out who's operating the popular pirate streaming site Flixtor." https://torrentfreak.com/ace-targets-flixtor-news-domain-with-a-dmca-subpoena-220412/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:17 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/ace-targets-flixtor-news-domain-with-a-dmca-subpoena-220412/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/ace-targets-flixtor-news-domain-with-a-dmca-subpoena-220412/
10:17 TR Bot; Targets Flixtor 'News' Domain With a DMCA Subpoena * TorrentFreak
10:17 TR News; "GulagTube tenant/hostage 'Omi in a Hellcat' is currently being prosecuted by the United States government for offenses related to his now-defunct pirate IPTV services" https://torrentfreak.com/omi-in-a-hellcat-sued-again-this-time-over-pirate-iptv-brand-reloaded-220412/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:17 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/omi-in-a-hellcat-sued-again-this-time-over-pirate-iptv-brand-reloaded-220412/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/omi-in-a-hellcat-sued-again-this-time-over-pirate-iptv-brand-reloaded-220412/
10:17 TR Bot; in a Hellcat Sued Again, This Time Over Pirate IPTV Brand 'Reloaded' * TorrentFreak
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10:22 TR News; boycott amazon https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/staggering-analysis-finds-amazons-injury-rate-rose-20-last-year | Source: Common Dreams
10:22 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/staggering-analysis-finds-amazons-injury-rate-rose-20-last-year https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/staggering-analysis-finds-amazons-injury-rate-rose-20-last-year
10:22 TR Bot; 'Staggering' Analysis Finds Amazon's Injury Rate Rose 20% Last Year
10:29 TR News; iTWire - Over 100 patches issued by Microsoft for April; two zero-days, one exploited https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/over-100-patches-issued-by-microsoft-for-april-two-zero-days,-one-exploited.html Microsoft patches holes only after they get exploited in the wild, and not only by NSA
10:29 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/over-100-patches-issued-by-microsoft-for-april-two-zero-days,-one-exploited.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/over-100-patches-issued-by-microsoft-for-april-two-zero-days,-one-exploited.html
10:29 TR Bot; - Over 100 patches issued by Microsoft for April; two zero-days, one exploited
10:31 TR News; Amazon (SweatshopZone) needs a boycott https://truthout.org/articles/bernie-sanders-calls-on-amazon-to-sit-down-and-start-negotiating-a-contract/ | Source: TruthOut
10:31 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/bernie-sanders-calls-on-amazon-to-sit-down-and-start-negotiating-a-contract/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/bernie-sanders-calls-on-amazon-to-sit-down-and-start-negotiating-a-contract/
10:31 TR Bot; Bernie Sanders Calls on Amazon to "Sit Down and Start Negotiating a Contract"
10:33 TR News; "Like pretty much every other large gathering, the Midwest and East Coast RepRap Festivals had to be put on hold during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/12/warm-up-your-extruders-reprap-festivals-are-back/ | Source: Hackaday
10:33 TR Bot; Up Your Extruders, RepRap Festivals Are Back | Hackaday
10:35 matey; If you look at recent editions of Linux Mint, it requires Restricted Boot to be active if it is to install the proprietary codecs.
10:35 matey; fuck linux mint then
10:36 matey; or perhaps it should be called linux digital restrictions mint
10:37 matey; or just digital restrictions mint since linux is a brand designed to fuck the user anyway
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10:42 schestowitz-TR; Linux Mint DRM Edition
10:42 schestowitz-TR; aka LMDE
10:42 activelow; restricted boot?
10:43 activelow; https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot
10:43 TR Bot; Will your computer's "Secure Boot" turn out to be "Restricted Boot"? Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
10:43 schestowitz-TR; it was NEVER about security
10:44 schestowitz-TR; when regimes and corporations asy "security" they mean controel
10:44 schestowitz-TR; by them oiver you
10:44 activelow; same as "secure boot"
10:48 TR News; "On January 8, 2020, two days after the January 6 riots at the U.S. Capitol, Twitter banned then-President Trump from the platform, citing a risk of further incitement of violence." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/eff-and-partners-ninth-circuit-court-appeals-retaliatory-investigation-twitter | Source: EFF
10:48 TR Bot; EFF and Partners to Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals: Retaliatory Investigation of Twitter Chills First Amendment Rights | Electronic Frontier Foundation
10:49 TR News; RaidForums https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/04/raidforums-get-raided-alleged-admin-arrested/ | Source: Krebs On Security
10:49 TR Bot; RaidForums Gets Raided, Alleged Admin Arrested Krebs on Security
10:49 TR News; Amazon Labor Union https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/sanders-praises-amazon-union-inspiring-national-sweeping-movement | Source: Common Dreams
10:49 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/sanders-praises-amazon-union-inspiring-national-sweeping-movement https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/sanders-praises-amazon-union-inspiring-national-sweeping-movement
10:49 TR Bot; Sanders Praises Amazon Union for Inspiring a 'National, Sweeping Movement'
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10:53 TR News; "In the 1970s, global political and corporate elites had all the information they needed to put the world on a path toward long-term stability" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/failure-global-elites-and-what-you-should-do-next | Source: Common Dreams
10:53 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/failure-global-elites-and-what-you-should-do-next https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/failure-global-elites-and-what-you-should-do-next
10:53 TR Bot; Opinion | The Failure of Global Elitesand What You Should Do Next | Richard Heinberg
10:54 matey; If you look at recent editions of Linux Mint, it requires Restricted Boot to be active if it is to install the proprietary codecs.
10:54 matey; fuck linux mint then
10:54 matey; or perhaps it should be called linux digital restrictions mint
10:54 matey; or just digital restrictions mint since linux is a brand designed to fuck the user anyway
10:54 schestowitz-TR; [10:37] <matey> or just digital restrictions mint since linux is a brand designed to fuck the user anyway
10:54 schestowitz-TR; [10:42] <schestowitz-TR> Linux Mint DRM Edition
10:54 schestowitz-TR; [10:42] <schestowitz-TR> aka LMDE
10:55 matey; yep
10:55 matey; bastards
10:55 schestowitz-TR; You seem to have lost the connection after you had said the same
10:55 schestowitz-TR; [10:21] <schestowitz-TR> because the technical attack is a collusion
10:55 schestowitz-TR; [10:21] <schestowitz-TR> and an attack on culture itself
10:55 schestowitz-TR; [10:21] <schestowitz-TR> and peopls' ability to controls the means of production and distribuion
10:56 schestowitz-TR; [10:23] <Techrights-sec> DMCA and EUCD pre-emptively block that. DMCA makes publication of advice
10:56 schestowitz-TR; [10:23] <Techrights-sec> regarding cirumvention, even as simple as base64 or ROT-13, into a major
10:56 schestowitz-TR; [10:23] <Techrights-sec> felony with a 5-year jail sentence
10:56 schestowitz-TR; [10:23] <Techrights-sec> yes it is most definitely an attack on culture.
10:56 schestowitz-TR; [10:23] <Techrights-sec> For a while, when the PP was active, they used to talk about (re-)freeing
10:56 schestowitz-TR; [10:23] <Techrights-sec> culture. They are still active in Germany but have shutdown or been
10:56 matey; You seem to have lost the connection after you had said the same
10:56 schestowitz-TR; [10:23] <Techrights-sec> neutralized in other countries. The US cannot have small parties because
10:56 schestowitz-TR; [10:23] <Techrights-sec> of the first past the post voting which ensures two parties and furthermore
10:56 schestowitz-TR; [10:24] <Techrights-sec> the funding process ensures that core policies of the two parties overlap.
10:56 matey; i went looking in the scrollback to see if it was there
10:56 matey; but i guess it hadnt updated yet
10:58 schestowitz-TR; gemini:// takes longer to update
10:58 matey; oh no wait
10:58 matey; hahah
10:58 schestowitz-TR; every 5 mins the html is updated
10:58 matey; nope its not that, its funnier than that
10:58 schestowitz-TR; gemini fetches that html output every 10
10:58 matey; ive excluded myself from my own view of the scrollback :)
10:58 matey; thats why it didnt show
10:58 schestowitz-TR; so in theory gemini can be up to 15 mins 'behind'
10:58 schestowitz-TR; ah, there are programs for it
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 44.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 303.70
10:59 schestowitz-TR; if you don't mean your own irc clients
10:59 schestowitz-TR; we wrote some programs to work with curl/wget via the server
10:59 schestowitz-TR; even without irc client
11:00 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/11/06/reading-concise-irc-logs-of-techrights-in-almost-real-time-from-the-command-line/
11:00 TR Bot; Reading Concise IRC Logs of Techrights in (Almost) Real Time From the Command Line | Techrights
11:00 matey; theres a few factors at work here
11:01 matey; first, i dont normally exclude myself from the scrollback. the bots are the first to get the axe
11:01 matey; i intended it as a one-off but i havent removed the exclusion. normally i realise its there
11:01 matey; its normally useful for context
11:01 matey; im just up from a nap, so im groggy
11:02 matey; im drinking my tea now (non-vegan)
11:02 matey; so when i went to see if it had posted, of course my posts werent there because they were removed (by me)
11:03 matey; and i thought "mmmuhhh, guess they didnt post" as seen through half-lifted eyelids
11:03 matey; either way i decided to repost the shorter version :)
11:03 TR News; news deserts and ghost papers. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/stripped-parts-hedge-fund-destroying-us-journalism | Source: Common Dreams
11:03 matey; which with this added, isnt shorter anymore
11:03 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/stripped-parts-hedge-fund-destroying-us-journalism https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/stripped-parts-hedge-fund-destroying-us-journalism
11:03 TR Bot; Opinion | 'Stripped for Parts': On the Hedge Fund Destroying US Journalism | Rick Goldsmith
11:04 matey; there is of course an entire subcontinent where milk in tea is culturally typical
11:04 matey; though even there, its still not vegan
11:04 TR News; "The people who have the most interest in influencing the direction of the coverage are weapons-makers" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/new-reporting-details-corporate-medias-war-industry-pundits | Source: Common Dreams
11:04 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/new-reporting-details-corporate-medias-war-industry-pundits https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/new-reporting-details-corporate-medias-war-industry-pundits
11:04 TR Bot; New Reporting Details Corporate Media's War Industry Pundits
11:05 mjg59_; schestowitz: There's a strong security argument for Secure Boot, and the FSF recognise that.
11:05 matey; oh god
11:05 matey; well, add it to the reasons the fsf is silly
11:05 mjg59_; Pretty much any technology can be used for ill
11:06 matey; maybe rms will mention progress on secure boot in his state of free software talk
11:06 mjg59_; As long as the owner of a device has control over that technology and can use it as they see fit, it's not a threat to freedom
11:06 matey; Pretty much any technology can be used for ill <- like cluster munitions
11:06 matey; As long as the owner of a device has control over that technology and can use it as they see fit, it's not a threat to freedo <- like cluster munitions
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11:06 matey; "hey johnny, what are you playing with?"
11:06 DaemonFC; I need a new serpentine belt.
11:06 matey; "oh! its just a toy i found out KABOOM!"
11:07 DaemonFC; It was chirping this morning then went away after the car got driven a little.
11:07 DaemonFC; Belt fatigue most likely. They can do that from just being 14 years old even if they look okay.
11:07 mjg59_; Well yeah the freedom to use your device as you see fit shouldn't allow that to affect others
11:07 DaemonFC; I'll just add that to the list of things to grab today.
11:08 mjg59_; And nor should it be a situation where someone else is able to coerce a previously trustworthy device into harming you
11:08 matey; i guess what im saying is that some devices in practice are not really neutral
11:08 DaemonFC; Non-Vegan.....
11:08 DaemonFC; REAL SHIT *eyes wide open*
11:08 matey; daemonfc: with milk
11:08 Techrights-sec; not surprise that he digs in deeper with his anti-Freedom stance against
11:08 Techrights-sec; regular computing
11:08 Techrights-sec; With restricted boot and TPM the end user is cut out of the loop
11:08 Techrights-sec; No point arguing with that shill though
11:08 DaemonFC; I'm cooking some breakfast sausage biscuits in the air fryer.
11:09 DaemonFC; The Jimmy Dean ones really are better than the Walmart brand.
11:09 matey; JAMES DEAN
11:09 DaemonFC; He was from the next town over to where I lived when I was a kid.
11:09 DaemonFC; Fairmount, Indiana
11:09 matey; i loved jimmy dean (the sausage, i wasnt familiar with the actor) as a kid
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11:09 mjg59_; Techrights-sec: How is regular computing inhibited by this?
11:09 DaemonFC; My friend's dad was the mayor of Fairmount for like 30 years?
11:09 DaemonFC; Something like that.
11:10 matey; i dont enjoy pork anymore. i can eat it, but i dont enjoy it
11:10 DaemonFC; They kept pulling over my friend's mom for speeding and then letting her go.
11:11 DaemonFC; I was with them one morning and then the cop realizes it's her and tells her to have a nice day and asks "How's John doing?".
11:11 TR News; Censorship os sceptics of empire https://www.projectcensored.org/big-tech-censorship-with-special-guests-chris-hedges-and-kevin-gosztola/ | Source: Project Censored
11:11 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: projectcensored.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.projectcensored.org/big-tech-censorship-with-special-guests-chris-hedges-and-kevin-gosztola/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.projectcensored.org/big-tech-censorship-with-special-guests-chris-hedges-and-kevin-gosztola/
11:11 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/big-tech-censorship-with-special-guests-chris-hedges-and-kevin-gosztola/ )
11:12 DaemonFC; I just don't know why anyone would shove Microsoft junk into Linux and take a paycheck for it.
11:12 DaemonFC; Like, if you're a really good programmer, then there's other ways to make a paycheck than doing this.
11:13 mjg59_; Techrights-sec: Yo uh could you actually justify your claims here
11:13 DaemonFC; mjg59_, "It ain't honest, but it's much!"
11:14 DaemonFC; We really need good non-x86 platforms to become widely available which won't implement things like this to begin with, to keep the firmware simple.
11:14 mjg59_; DaemonFC: If what you're asking is "Why would someone ensure that Linux can boot on any machine people buy in the future regardless of what Microsoft do, and with a guarantee that the user can configure their system to run their own bootloader and kernel and OS" then I think the answer is pretty obvious
11:15 DaemonFC; If you get the firmware down to where you can drown it in the bathtub, you have less attack surface anyway, and that's something you can take to the bank.
11:15 DaemonFC; Not this EFI shit.
11:15 mjg59_; You can implement enough EFI to run Linux in a sufficiently small amount of code that it's already implemented in u-boot
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11:16 matey; /me wants to hear theo say "a TACK SUR FACE" every morning
11:16 mjg59_; EDKII is a *lot* of code and you do not need to be that complicated to meet the spec
11:16 DaemonFC; I don't think there should be anything else in a system firmware than the minimum to start the computer and hand over to the OS.
11:17 activelow; question is, if Linux/GNU/FSF had sufficient influence to reject EFI entirely, if they wanted to, which is another question.
11:17 DaemonFC; The only thing Microsoft, IBM, and Intel have ever proven is that the more code, the bigger the disaster, especially when they write the specs.
11:17 matey; "influence"
11:17 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Ok so BIOS was too much firmware?
11:17 matey; instagram: @fsf
11:17 mjg59_; activelow: They didn't
11:18 DaemonFC; I don't know that the volume of it was too much, but it was not doing things right. Still, it wasn't some hulking monstrosity that managed to incorporate the worst parts of the BIOS in the guise of fixing the BIOS.
11:18 activelow; besides, if options remain for developers/users who may want to decide for themselves; it's still possible to fully wipe efi from uboot and linux, for those systems which do not need it
11:18 mjg59_; Yeah Coreboot and Libreboot provide mechanisms for that
11:19 mjg59_; Phew we're saved
11:19 DaemonFC; That's like General Motors saying "You know, the 3800 V6 is a good engine. It's served us well for years. We're going to design a new engine that gets 3 mpg more and it's all aluminum and cheap plastic now.".
11:19 TR News; "really nice graphics library." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/12/mindblowing-graphics-from-an-attiny85/ | Source: Hackaday
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11:19 matey; i think one of the biggest problems with mjg59s argument is that people dont want something and hes like
11:19 DaemonFC; "THIS VEHICLE SAVES YOU $2,000 in fuel over the average new car."
11:19 matey; NO, YOU DO
11:19 DaemonFC; Sure, and with only $5,000 more in repair bills!
11:20 mjg59_; Oh no I am not like "EVERYONE NEEDS SECURE BOOT"
11:20 matey; missing the fact that the industry is foisting tech PEOPLE DONT WANT
11:20 DaemonFC; They foist tech I don't want all over the place.
11:20 activelow; i am not thinking about x86 anymore; and the options with ARM are limited too; at least the ARM sbc i got here doesn't require any EFI, although it is present by default with images shipped by armbian
11:20 mjg59_; I am "THE INDUSTRY IS DOING THIS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO PREVENT IT"
11:20 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: we'll need to replace the mirror computer
11:20 DaemonFC; I am so happy I found a car in good shape that doesn't have all this junk on it.
11:20 activelow; so, EFI is creeping into, even when it isn't required
11:20 schestowitz-TR; $3000 for parts
11:20 matey; <DaemonFC> They foist tech I don't want all over the place. <- as part of an ongoing trend lasting well over a decade
11:20 schestowitz-TR; "when the components arrrive, there's a shortage"
11:20 mjg59_; But I am also "SOME PEOPLE GENUINELY NEED THIS FEATURE, EVEN IF MOST PEOPLE DON'T"
11:21 schestowitz-TR; 20 years later: "those components stopped being made 15 years ago! But we have good offer on new cars!"
11:21 mjg59_; And, uh, what was the alternative here?
11:21 matey; AND WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO PREVENT IT <- so im imagining that youre being dismissive of efforts to remove it when you say "Yeah Coreboot and Libreboot provide mechanisms for that" "Phew we're saved"
11:21 mjg59_; There was no path to preventing systems shipping with Secure Boot enabled by default
11:21 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I was joking with a salesman yesterday at Chevy. I was mocking Ford. "Oh we don't have an air conditioner computer for your $60,000 car, so here's fifty bucks. Try again next year and we'll see if you can have an air conditioner then. It's all there, but it needs a computer now!".
11:21 activelow; and it isn't trivial to wipe EFI, because a developer needs to know what he is doing, including the fact EFI/GPT partitioning scheme is troublesome if initrd is wiped too, which i did
11:22 mjg59_; matey: Everyone should have the right to control the security policy of their system. That includes replacing the firmware. But me saying "Everyone should have that right" doesn't make it magically happen.
11:22 schestowitz-TR; the troll is full of it
11:22 schestowitz-TR; so much for "social justice"
11:22 schestowitz-TR; there was no path to women voting
11:22 schestowitz-TR; there was no path to blacks emancipating themselves from their owners
11:22 schestowitz-TR; there was no path to making ODF viable
11:23 schestowitz-TR; defeatism troll
11:23 matey; doesn't make it magically happe <- with the exception of playing a recorder in front of a server, im not aware of anything in free software working "via magic"
11:23 schestowitz-TR; anywya, change topic
11:23 schestowitz-TR; stop feeding trolls
11:23 mjg59_; schestowitz: What was the alternative path?
11:23 TR News; "CNC machines and 3D printers tend to have plenty of cabling which must be neatly managed while the machine moves." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/12/skip-the-shipping-print-your-own-cable-chains/ | Source: Hackaday
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11:24 mjg59_; We ended up with a situation where people can run exactly as much free software as they could before
11:24 matey; We ended up with a situation where people can run exactly as much free software as they could before <- you dont realise how that hurts your argument
11:24 matey; boycott was an alternative path
11:24 activelow; ^
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11:24 mjg59_; We could have chosen a scenario where people would buy computers that couldn't run free software!
11:24 matey; we dont know if the size of the boycott was enough to send a message to keep the feature optional
11:25 matey; but its the only thing that could have sent that message
11:25 mjg59_; Spoiler it wasn't going to be enough to send that message
11:25 SomeH4x0r; what is wrong with abortions, and perhaps killing newborns either? They have no value to anyone.
11:25 matey; We could have chosen a scenario where people would buy computers that couldn't run free software! <- again, you seem oblivious to the connection between the goals of the movement and the outcome and how it refutes your circular argument that this shit was necessary
11:25 TR News; There's just no other path. Must "support the artists"... https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/desperately-pathetic-copyright-industry-lobbyists-flat-out-lie-to-boost-support-for-the-dumb-smart-copyright-act/ | Source: Techdirt
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11:26 matey; granted in an outcome where it wasnt optional, your software would have helped
11:26 matey; so as far as adoption goes, i blame red hat for using it more than i blame you for writing it
11:26 mjg59_; matey: The people who produce hardware literally do not give a shit about end-users being able to run Linux on them
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11:26 DaemonFC; "Sure, let's all sell our souls to Satan because it's easier that way"
11:26 SomeH4x0r; they can't talk or do anything making them any unique so that loss of them is bad for anyone
11:26 SomeH4x0r; *is not
11:26 matey; matey: The people who produce hardware literally do not give a shit about end-users being able to run Linux on them <- okay, sony doesnt exist
11:27 matey; DaemonFC: sony doesnt exist!
11:27 matey; *crab rave*
11:27 mjg59_; matey: I spent a *lot* of time talking to the hardware vendors, and they made it clear that blocking anything other than RHEL and SLES would have sufficiently close to $0 on their bottom line that it didn't matter
11:27 matey; did you talk to sony?
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11:28 mjg59_; matey: Sony stopped making x86 systems in 2014 - they were already insignificant by 2012
11:28 matey; alright
11:28 DaemonFC; Let's see. Write NEW code to prevent OS installation. Piss off 3-4% of your users. No impact on sales.
11:28 DaemonFC; You'd think with it being a shrinking market for PCs anyway, they'd be smarter than that.
11:28 mjg59_; matey: But yes, I did - I spent a lot of time getting Linux working on Sony systems in 2011. They let me know that they didn't care about Linux on their x86 systems and refused to give me docs for their firmware.
11:29 TR News; "If you have a motor and youd like to know where the shaft position is, you are likely to turn to an optical encoder scheme." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/12/hall-effect-module-knows-where-your-motor-is/ | Source: Hackaday
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11:30 DaemonFC; mjg59_, You'd better believe I'm going to take action against Lenovo again if they do it to something I buy.
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11:30 mjg59_; matey: drivers/platform/x86/sony-laptop.c - I wrote the chunk of it that works on modern Sonys
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11:30 DaemonFC; THey backed away from it after I filed an false and deceptive practices claim against them.
11:30 matey; at any rate, if x86 tanks its because of this SORT of thing
11:31 matey; firmware they feel a need to foist on us that we dont want
11:31 DaemonFC; *a
11:31 DaemonFC; Garrett acts like you can't stop them. You can.
11:31 DaemonFC; You can enforce the laws of your state against them.
11:31 mjg59_; matey: I'm fine with x86 tanking. I just didn't want to end up in a situation where someone who's bought a random computer before they learned about free software was unable to install free software on it.
11:31 matey; cheers dfc
11:32 mjg59_; Making it possible for as many people as possible to install free software seems like a win?
11:32 matey; lots of things seem like a win
11:32 DaemonFC; So why are you pissed off that Lenovo settled after I filed a complaint of unfair practices?
11:32 matey; your win was at odds with a strategy a lot of us wanted
11:32 SomeH4x0r; fake free software invaded by corporations
11:32 DaemonFC; You act like that's some sort of unfair way to get them to fix the computer, mjg59_
11:32 matey; and red hat was like "fuck hippies, lets patch it"
11:32 SomeH4x0r; it is free, except one is unlikely to ever change it
11:33 matey; free in license only
11:33 schestowitz-TR; matey: there's no red hat
11:33 schestowitz-TR; it's gone
11:33 schestowitz-TR; it's ICBM
11:33 matey; formerly libre openly sleazy software
11:33 schestowitz-TR; and you can see the policy change
11:33 mjg59_; Man I did *not* have Red Hat's backing on this
11:33 schestowitz-TR; IBM in charge
11:33 DaemonFC; mjg59_, I informed them of the problem and they chose to wage a disinformation campaign against me instead.
11:33 schestowitz-TR; it didn't take them long to 'take out' Torvalds and others
11:33 schestowitz-TR; gave them more leeway and control
11:33 matey; <schestowitz-TR> matey: there's no red hat <- then what lurks in the bowels of ibms software strategy?
11:33 DaemonFC; So I filed a claim with the state government and they opened an investigation.
11:33 mjg59_; My directory sent me a shit-o-gram while I was trying to fix boot issues with hardware vendors
11:34 DaemonFC; Lenovo offered to settle very quickly.
11:34 mjg59_; I quit the day I got back as a result
11:34 schestowitz-TR; Red Hat at least *tried* to understand and respect *Some* things
11:34 schestowitz-TR; while amassing swpats for ICBM
11:34 schestowitz-TR; for sale price
11:34 schestowitz-TR; Fedora had an actual community
11:34 mjg59_; I had no unique privileges here
11:34 schestowitz-TR; it goes banned
11:34 schestowitz-TR; for saying what IBM's Miller said
11:34 mjg59_; If anyone wanted to object to what I was doing, they could have done
11:35 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Maybe it would be easier to claim unfair practices now, even. Without going into false advertising and malicious conduct and antitrust, you can also clain that lack of OS replacement violates right to repair.
11:35 DaemonFC; With a new battery every 5 years, you can keep your laptop going forever, but Windows won't work on it for very long.
11:35 SomeH4x0r; Windows 10 works on this decade-old laptop
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11:35 DaemonFC; It bloats up and Microsoft quietly maroons old hardware on some unsupported version.
11:36 DaemonFC; Then you can't even get security updates.
11:36 mjg59_; Phew good thing we ensured you don't have to run Windows
11:36 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Arguing that being stuck on Windows and unsupported is "securing" the computer.
11:36 DaemonFC; :)
11:37 matey; the fsfs policy on secure boot was "dont negotiate with terrorists"
11:37 mjg59_; I literally just said the opposite?
11:37 DaemonFC; You were saying there were legitimate reasons to lock the storage controller in an undocumented mode at the time.
11:37 DaemonFC; Remember that?
11:37 matey; and breaking that policy can be argued to have the same problems as doing so
11:37 mjg59_; I was saying there were reasons that were not fundamentally anti-competition to do so
11:37 DaemonFC; Claiming it had something to do with power management. It didn't. Power management is an entirely different issue.
11:37 mjg59_; It's like saying that someone who puts an nvidia GPU in a laptop is preventing it from running Linux
11:37 DaemonFC; You need to be able to install the OS first.
11:38 DaemonFC; Then you worry about perfect power management later on.
11:38 matey; <mjg59_> I was saying there were reasons that were not fundamentally anti-competition to do so <- maybe you made too much of those reasons in theory, and not enough of reasons in practice
11:38 matey; It's like saying that someone who puts an nvidia GPU in a laptop is preventing it from running Linux <- no, putting nvidia on a laptop is just perverse
11:39 DaemonFC; Like, it happened so fast after I bought that laptop that power management for the storage controller landed, but with no way to kick it out of "RST" mode then you can't install other operating systems but Windows.
11:39 matey; it prevents people from running decent drivers
11:39 mjg59_; matey: I have repeatedly spent time reverse engineering proprietary bullshit so that Linux works on hardware where the vendor doesn't want to support that I promise I understand what's happening here
11:39 DaemonFC; So had I not acted, you still wouldn't be able to install another OS.
11:39 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Based on pressure from me, Intel ended up documenting it
11:39 DaemonFC; You have to be able to install it or it doesn't even matter what Linux does or does not do with power management.
11:40 DaemonFC; And that storage mode adds nothing of value.
11:40 DaemonFC; It works fine in AHCI mode.
11:40 mjg59_; Lenovo doesn't give a shit about Linux on Ideapads
11:40 mjg59_; They're not trying to block it
11:40 mjg59_; It just doesn't matter to them
11:40 DaemonFC; Well they did!
11:40 DaemonFC; And they got what they deserved.
11:40 DaemonFC; Having to go back and fix it.
11:40 DaemonFC; And a stern warning from the government.
11:41 mjg59_; (Don Draper in elevator meme) I don't think about you at all
11:41 matey; mjg59_ just so we are clear
11:41 DaemonFC; Having to back out their sabotage code.
11:41 matey; you do get that when lenovo "doesnt give a shit about something" that some other company they do business with OFTEN DOES and will give them a reason to do it "their way" regardless, yes?
11:41 DaemonFC; That's all that was. It was sabotage.
11:41 DaemonFC; Lenovo ACTIVELY sabotaged their computer so you couldn't even try to run "Linux".
11:42 matey; and that two companies (one of whom doesnt give a shit about x) are more likely to sabotage the needs/wants of users than one?
11:42 DaemonFC; Doesn't matter why. They did sabotage it and they knew what would happen if they did, and they did it anyway.
11:42 mjg59_; matey: If you want to pitch it as "Lenovo chose firmware behaviour in line with Microsoft and Intel's recommendations", sure
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11:42 mjg59_; And if you then want to point out that Intel refused to document the behaviour of their chipset in RST mode, that's also realistic
11:42 matey; matey: If you want to pitch it as <- why on earth wouldnt it? its not like "oems capitulating to microsoft pressure" is "just a theory"
11:43 mjg59_; Look the problem here wasn't Microsoft
11:43 mjg59_; The problem was Intel
11:43 matey; lol wut
11:43 matey; im pretty sure its both
11:43 mjg59_; Intel refused to tell people how their hardware worked
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11:43 matey; and microsoft had an incentive to push this tech more than anyone
11:43 mjg59_; Intel tied their SATA controller's behaviour into the power management of the CPU
11:44 matey; why talk about motives for 20-30 minutes and pretend microsoft (who has all the motive) isnt relevant here? unless its to proves roys accusations as valid?
11:44 mjg59_; matey: We're talking specifically about Intel storage controller behaviour here, not anything Microsoft had direct influence over
11:44 DaemonFC; Shit, I need to clean my desk.
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11:44 matey; not anything Microsoft had direct influence over <- silly me, i live in a dream world where microsoft pushes oems around.
11:44 matey; i guess ill get back to my ufo conspiracies.
11:44 DaemonFC; It looks like the city dump and I'm missing a flash drive. I don't think it had anything important on it.
11:45 DaemonFC; I make 4-5 copies of my important stuff and stash them everywhere.
11:45 mjg59_; If Microsoft only managed this for one model of one OEM then yeah it suggests they didn't have much power there
11:45 mjg59_; If Microsoft had been pushing for this behaviour then it would have been way more widespread
11:45 matey; i think youre very detail orinted, which is fine
11:45 matey; but sometimes when you focus on that at expense of the big picture, its a bit like reading lennart
11:45 matey; who is a much bigger douchebag in my opinion
11:45 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> If Microsoft had been pushing for this behaviour then it would have been way more widespread
11:45 matey; i mean, you actually try to explain
11:45 mjg59_; What we actually had was an Intel chipset that, in one mode, was guaranteed to have good power management if you had drivers for it
11:46 DaemonFC; You have to start somewhere.
11:46 matey; so credit where credit is due
11:46 DaemonFC; Let Lenovo do it and see what the fallout is.
11:46 matey; for us this is politics
11:46 matey; you make this more about tech
11:46 DaemonFC; They're unscrupulous. They'll do it.
11:46 matey; thats not inherently a bad thing, but sometimes it doesnt work
11:46 mjg59_; And so for consumer hardware there's an incentive to lock down firmware configuration so someone can't change it in ways that kill their power consumption
11:47 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> And so for consumer hardware there's an incentive to lock down firmware configuration so someone can't change it in ways that kill their power consumption
11:47 DaemonFC; Why can't they just make Windows not be such a colossal piece of shit that it doesn't come with the driver and load it instead of the generic?
11:47 DaemonFC; Without resorting to crummy BIOS hacks.
11:48 mjg59_; DaemonFC: That's just not a question Lenovo ask?
11:48 DaemonFC; I don't believe for a minute that they couldn't just fix Windows instead of clumsy hacks that fuck everything up.
11:48 DaemonFC; But you're right. They tend to operate like that.
11:48 DaemonFC; Whatever clumsy hack gets Windows to work right now.
11:48 DaemonFC; Then they never fix it if they can possibly avoid doing so.
11:48 mjg59_; matey: We see things through a political lens because that's what we care about. That doesn't mean that everyone else is making decisions based on the same politics.
11:48 matey; if we assume good faith (in oems) here, mjg makes plenty of sense
11:49 DaemonFC; SuperFish Lenovo had good intentions, mjg59_ says.
11:49 matey; why we should assume good faith is another matter (i hardly think we should)
11:49 mjg59_; matey: Lenovo actually does a *lot* of work to improve Linux support on Thinkpads
11:49 DaemonFC; Maybe they'll port SuperFish to Linux.
11:49 matey; SuperFish Lenovo had good intentions <- national security is everyones job!
11:49 mjg59_; They do nothing on Ideapads because zero corporate customers pay them money to care about that
11:50 matey; Maybe they'll port SuperFish to Linux. <- because we have no choice, theyll make it mandatory and if we dont port it we cant LEGALLY run linux!
11:50 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Why do you think I moved to a ThinkBook this time where they had detailed instructions and Ubuntu certification?
11:50 DaemonFC; I don't use Ubuntu but if it runs Ubuntu it probably runs anything, honestly.
11:50 DaemonFC; As long as the kernel and stuff are recent enough.
11:50 mjg59_; So framing it as "Lenovo is hostile to Linux" is obviously untrue - the company as a whole gives zero shits, they'll do whatever is profitable. It's not political.
11:51 matey; <mjg59_> matey: Lenovo actually does <- lenovo put malware in their firmware to install shit that wouldnt be removed by reinstalling windows
11:51 DaemonFC; They didn't do any preloads or certifications back then or if they did, I didn't see it.
11:51 matey; lenovo is basically aids imo
11:51 matey; i realise that you can turn a lenovo into a great machine for security. i mean the company, not the product.
11:52 mjg59_; matey: Oh yeah Lenovo are dicks! But that doesn't inherently tell us anything about how they feel about Linux
11:52 matey; Oh yeah Lenovo are dicks! But that doesn't inherently tell us anything about how they feel about Linux <- you dont see, or wont admit, just how many of your arguments about obtuse compartmentalisation
11:52 matey; are about ^
11:52 DaemonFC; You'd think that if increased sales volume was the only measure, they'd at least get out of the way and quit stopping you from trying.
11:53 matey; if theyre dicks, its not unreasonable to think maybe "how they feel about linux" is also dickish
11:53 DaemonFC; Requires no effort and maybe people will buy your hardware who otherwise wouldn't, and will warn their friends about you.
11:53 mjg59_; If I draw a graph that's got a red bar and a green bar, that's bad for people who are red/green colour blind. That doesn't mean I deliberately chose to ignore them.
11:54 matey; right, but when someone puts a red bar over a green bar, and someone says "thats a plus sign" you say NO! its JUST a red bar and a green bar!
11:54 matey; even if it has 2 on one side, and 2 = 4 on the other
11:54 DaemonFC; I'm going to have the shop look at the pulleys and see if there's anything wrong with those and if there isn't, just put a new Serpentine Belt on there and hopefully that shuts it up.
11:55 DaemonFC; There's a little glazing on the belt on visual inspection. It's not the worst belt I've ever seen by far, but it is really old.
11:55 DaemonFC; I think it's just rubber rot and now condensation has it squeal and chirp for a minute then when the condensation is gone, it goes away.
11:56 DaemonFC; But that's your first sign the belt is old and needs to be replaced before it snaps later and strands you somewhere you really don't want to be at the worst possible time.
11:56 mjg59_; matey: Sometimes Linux not working on a system is purely because they didn't care, not because it was deliberate
11:56 matey; theres always going to be someone who goes too far out of their way to make something shit kind-of-work
11:56 DaemonFC; Now, mjg59_ would probably argue that something like this is too simple because most of the time it works properly and when it doesn't you just yank one belt off.
11:57 matey; is purely because they didn't care, not because it was deliberate <- and heres the thing. i dont care which one it is.
11:57 matey; fuck them either way.
11:57 DaemonFC; And it's not like going through the entire car looking for the one that's squealing like it used to be, and there's five.
11:57 matey; granted, fuck them more if its deliberate
11:57 DaemonFC; In some ways, things can improve over the years.
11:58 mjg59_; matey: I draw a distinction between failure through ineptitude and failure through malice
11:58 mjg59_; But I also solidly blame Intel for shipping hardware without documenting how Linux should work with it
11:58 mjg59_; If Intel had their shit together, Lenovo would never have been able to fuck this up
11:59 matey; But I also solidly blame Intel <- and we blame intel and microsoft, because microsoft was the one to benefit from this
11:59 matey; and seeing that as a "happy accident" just feels fucking naive at this point.
11:59 matey; maybe extensive firmware forensics will clear their name
11:59 mjg59_; This wasn't a firmware issue
11:59 matey; oh for gods sake :/
12:00 TR News; "Weve noted for years that the adtech sector is a convoluted, unregulated hellscape, where consumer data is bought and sold with nothing remotely close to competent oversight." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/john-oliver-tries-to-scare-dc-into-doing-something-about-the-privacy-dumpster-fire-that-is-adtech/ | Source: Techdirt
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12:00 TR Bot; Oliver Tries To Scare DC Into Doing Something About The Privacy Dumpster Fire That Is Adtech | Techdirt
12:00 TR News; 5 open source tools for developing on the cloud Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163662
12:00 TR Bot; 5 open source tools for developing on the cloud | Tux Machines
12:00 TR News; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to CorelCAD Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163663
12:00 TR Bot; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to CorelCAD | Tux Machines
12:00 matey; whenever something is this complicated, theres either corporations, lies, or lawyers to blame
12:00 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163664
12:00 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
12:00 matey; too often all three.
12:01 matey; fuck all three of them
12:01 mjg59_; Lenovo configured the hardware in a way that Intel supported and that worked with Windows, and there's no strong evidence that they were leaned on to do that
12:01 matey; and there's no strong evidence that they were leaned on to do that <- other than its been microsofts m.o. for literally decades
12:01 matey; and they benefit directly
12:02 matey; but before we hang them for it i suppose we should be sure
12:02 matey; or...
12:02 matey; we could say that enough is enough is enouguh
12:02 mjg59_; Sure maybe it was a conspiracy but we don't actually have evidence that supports that
12:02 matey; and be done with these fucks
12:02 matey; i think you missed your calling and should have become a lawyer really
12:03 mjg59_; And we don't have a path to evidence because Ryan did some random legal bullshit that precluded discovery
12:03 mjg59_; So strong work if that was the avenue we were going to take it's gone now
12:03 matey; i see double standards everywhere here
12:04 matey; bias in favour of treating microsoft with a blank slate, rather than decades of experience
12:04 mjg59_; "We were told to make a machine that booted Windows and had functioning C8 CPU states" is something that would get you to this point
12:04 matey; THIS TIME it wasnt their fault
12:04 mjg59_; Yeah this time I blame Intel
12:04 mjg59_; I promise I don't favour Microsoft over Intel
12:04 matey; i believe that
12:05 matey; but i also think this is obtuse
12:05 mjg59_; If Intel had documented their hardware this wouldn't have happened
12:05 mjg59_; Whatever Microsoft wanted or didn't want
12:05 matey; they gave microsoft a huge present wrapped in a shiny bow
12:05 matey; maybe they were trying to get them into bed again
12:05 matey; "we got you a present!"
12:05 activelow; 8 idle states, what a nonsense
12:06 matey; microsoft: "oh, intel! you shouldnt have!"
12:06 mjg59_; This feature had actually been there for a couple of generations already
12:06 mjg59_; It just didn't have as strong an impact on power management until Sandy Bridge
12:06 activelow; wiped the c-state handling from kernel, with both x86 and the arm sbc
12:06 matey; sleeper cell features :)
12:06 mjg59_; Where the U series CPUs suddenly had CPU power management tied to SATA power management
12:07 mjg59_; activelow: Well, you're going to have a bad time
12:08 mjg59_; Intel even tried to argue that operating those CPUs without proper OS config could violate warranty
12:08 mjg59_; Without telling anyone what the proper OS config was
12:09 mjg59_; And, uh, fuck that
12:09 activelow; the old phenom2 box remains powered off anyway; and with the ARM SBCs the c-states aren't relevant, roughly 150MW difference at idle
12:09 mjg59_; If Intel had documented it, Linux would have worked ust fine
12:09 activelow; besided, ARM PSCI is awful too
12:10 mjg59_; So it'd involve a conspiracy between Microsoft and Intel to choose something that Linux didn't support
12:10 mjg59_; So yeah ineptitude feels more realistic here
12:10 mjg59_; Anyway I'm going to bed
12:10 activelow; gn
12:11 matey; /me ignores the entire history of windows and intel creating beautiful antitrust together
12:11 matey; NOW IT MAKES SENSE!
12:12 activelow; ACPI, c-states, p-states, crap
12:13 matey; he should have gone into astronomy instead of law
12:13 activelow; he is not responsible for the crap IBM Wintel do
12:13 matey; then maybe if he saw a region of space with no light whatsoever, instead of thinking "oh, there must be a spot where they universe doesnt exist"
12:14 matey; he would do like the rest of us and realise there was a giant SUCKING FORCE with incredible mass there
12:15 matey; "NO COLLUSION!"-- <strike>trump</strike> mjg
12:16 matey; so what happened was intel and microsoft
12:16 matey; "MICROSOFT WAS INNOCENT!"
12:16 matey; ill never believe it
12:17 matey; its just too far-fetched. but creationists show you can find evidence for fucking nearly anything
12:17 matey; its up to whatever to weigh that against what else we know
12:17 TR News; "Highlights links in the terminal, renders unicode and so on." https://terminalroot.com/darktile-a-gpu-rendered-terminal/
12:17 TR Bot; Darktile - A GPU-rendered terminal
12:18 TR News; iWave Systems unveils AEC-grade Solderable System on Module for automotive applications Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163665
12:18 TR Bot; iWave Systems unveils AEC-grade Solderable System on Module for automotive applications | Tux Machines
12:18 matey; and we know a lot about microsoft
12:18 matey; over a long, long period of time
12:19 matey; of course if someone spends 30 years lying to you
12:19 matey; going to the ends of the earth to defend them makes very little sense
12:20 matey; maybe this time its true! okay, so dont spend 30 years destroying your credibility
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12:21 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XQJ4v8QkEAw
12:21 TR Bot; Frank's 2000" TV - Invidious
12:22 matey; secure boot is like a billion dollars showing up in microsofts bank account
12:22 matey; and microsoft is like "we swear, we have no fucking idea how it got there"
12:22 matey; maybe they dont. but its like the millionth time this has happened
12:23 matey; and no one else gets this absurd level of trust applied to them
12:23 matey; THIS TIME, we got fucked by microsoft, but at least this time they just tripped and their dick fell into us
12:24 matey; intel pushed them
12:24 matey; what were they supposed to do
12:25 TR News; Don't use Git in Windows. Heck, do not use Windows for anything. https://lwn.net/Articles/891112/
12:25 TR Bot; security fixes released [LWN.net]
12:26 matey; and it was ONLY ON ONE PLATFORM!
12:26 matey; or just x86 and arm (on arm it was mandatory)
12:26 matey; just the one platform microsoft typically runs on. ONLY THAT platform
12:26 matey; i think that pretty much settles it.
12:26 matey; :P
12:28 matey; but i think its extraordinary
12:30 matey; looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, spews duck shit all over the place, surprise! its an octopus
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12:32 matey; its a very rare breed of duck-billed octopus with webbed feet no one has seen until now
12:32 matey; and its missing 6 of its legs. i guess we should feel bad for it
12:36 matey; (octopus) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=sTUmSMTB5Po
12:36 TR Bot; Duck poop in public - Invidious
12:37 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163666
12:37 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
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12:39 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KtK5XwdCeL4
12:39 TR Bot; Chaozhou Style Brewing of Duck Shit Fragrance Dancong Oolong - Invidious
12:40 matey; our marketing people want to call it "poolong" but china wont let us
12:42 matey; tyler durden: we sell them their own fat as soap!
12:43 matey; people making tea and coffee with animal shit: hold my beer
12:44 TR News; Links 13/04/2022: Darktile, KGraphEditor, and More | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/darktile-kgrapheditor-and-more/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/darktile-kgrapheditor-and-more/
12:44 TR Bot; Links 13/04/2022: Darktile, KGraphEditor, and More | Techrights
12:50 matey; daemonfc: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NwtncUWXxoQ
12:51 TR Bot; Babylon 5 "Intersections In Real Time" - Invidious
12:52 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163667
12:52 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
12:53 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fFDOeuLM3m0
12:53 TR Bot; How many Lights are there? - Invidious
12:53 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163668
12:53 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
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12:54 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163669
12:54 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
12:55 TR News; "The first of these is already the law; the second will be in the Queen's Speech in a few weeks. In parallel, there is controversial legislation before Parliament concerning building safety." gemini://gemini.ucant.org/gemlog/2022-04-13_leasehold_reform.gmi
12:56 TR News; Github shenanigans gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/04/12.1 Microsoft "Github decided several months ago to depcrecate support for `git:` URL (Uniform Resource Locator)s [5] and guess what I'm using?"
12:57 matey; cardassia seems to be built in the image of stalinism in this scene (ive seen lots of ds9 but paid very little attention to cardassian politics)
12:58 schestowitz-TR; for saying what IBM's Miller said[12:39] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- yewtu.be | Chaozhou Style Brewing of Duck Shit Fragrance Dancong Oolong - Invidious
12:58 schestowitz-TR; lol wtf
12:59 matey; 8lol wtf <- youll have to be more specific :)
13:00 TR News; OK, I think now, at last, Techrights can do articles again. Lots of catching up needed to be done after 3 pretty big incidents.
13:00 matey; thats a plotline of star trek tng directly ripped off from orwell
13:00 schestowitz-TR; So what proportion of the cost if the shit?
13:00 matey; oh
13:00 matey; lol
13:01 schestowitz-TR; some "livestock" shit is used to feed fish in pools
13:01 matey; so iuve heard of cat shit coffee
13:01 schestowitz-TR; there's your "food supply"
13:01 matey; its incredibly expensive
13:01 schestowitz-TR; food chain
13:01 schestowitz-TR; human eat shit
13:01 schestowitz-TR; via other animals' bodies
13:01 matey; but duck shit tea i didnt hear about until today
13:01 schestowitz-TR; "what are you eating?"
13:01 schestowitz-TR; "chicken shit"
13:01 matey; its certainly not vegan
13:01 schestowitz-TR; "but what's fish"
13:02 schestowitz-TR; "yes, but it was eating part of the chicken.. from the back end"
13:02 matey; most people eat shit when they eat prawns
13:02 matey; you can see the little line
13:02 matey; i think its gross
13:02 schestowitz-TR; or cow intestines
13:02 schestowitz-TR; AFTER washing it
13:02 matey; my delicate sensibilities about not eating a (full) intestinal tract
13:03 schestowitz-TR; or brains
13:03 schestowitz-TR; someone else will buy it
13:03 matey; let them
13:03 schestowitz-TR; iirc, in morocco is's a luxury item
13:03 schestowitz-TR; "mmmmmm... braaaaainnzzz"
13:03 matey; oh yeah
13:04 matey; stuff thats fucking disgusting and so expensive
13:05 matey; i really dont eat animals unless they have wings (or sometimes fins)
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13:18 schestowitz-TR; gm, bnchs
13:18 schestowitz-TR; afternoon rather
13:18 matey; today should be a glorious day for bullshit
13:19 schestowitz-TR; we made further fixes to the proxy
13:19 schestowitz-TR; it now renders code OK
13:19 matey; <schestowitz-TR> afternoon rather <- if its afternoon we can have corned beef!
13:19 schestowitz; https://gemini.techrights.org/proxy?url=gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/
13:19 matey; /me doesnt like corned beef, but hasnt starved for 2 days in a very long time
13:19 TR Bot; reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://gemini.techrights.org/proxy?url=gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/ )
13:20 matey; and then it was voluntary
13:20 schestowitz-TR; prices of food have gone up a lot
13:20 schestowitz-TR; moments ago I revisited an article about 11.9% inflation in NL
13:20 matey; oatmeal is good stuff
13:20 schestowitz-TR; in one year
13:20 matey; isnt that hyperinflation? (i only assume)
13:20 schestowitz-TR; wait
13:21 schestowitz-TR; good question here
13:21 schestowitz-TR; what IS hyperinflation
13:21 schestowitz-TR; I don't think there is s formal definition
13:21 schestowitz-TR; but ad hoc
13:21 schestowitz-TR; how much inflation would pass muster?
13:21 matey; hyperinflation: what happened to esr (first his ego, then him)
13:21 matey; admittedly i dont normally do jokes about obesity
13:21 schestowitz-TR; putting it bluntly
13:22 schestowitz-TR; he was going well
13:22 schestowitz-TR; went on movies, sold books
13:22 schestowitz-TR; OSI was changing from within
13:22 schestowitz-TR; then ejected him
13:22 schestowitz-TR; by that point he was morbidly obese and unhealthy, very poor
13:22 matey; i put a great deal of weight on that 1999 letter
13:22 schestowitz-TR; running gofundme's for his medical bills
13:22 matey; then again, so would esr (fat jokes are too easy)
13:23 schestowitz-TR; and then his blog collapsed
13:23 schestowitz-TR; so he could not raise money, either
13:23 matey; under its own weight
13:23 matey; but seriously
13:23 matey; to me the most important part of osis history was perens resigning in 1999 (im aware that hes gone back at least once, likely more)
13:24 schestowitz-TR; long story short, he has not been doing well this past year and mostly vanished
13:24 matey; /me skips this one
13:24 bnchs; "Peer reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version."
13:24 matey; again, the jokes are too easy
13:24 bnchs; when your bot forces CA-signed certs
13:24 schestowitz-TR; a few years ago esr was still involved in change management decisions
13:24 schestowitz-TR; mercurial was it?
13:24 schestowitz-TR; moving gcc away?
13:25 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: yes, ignore those
13:25 schestowitz-TR; it's VERY good certy
13:25 schestowitz-TR; took like 10 minutes to generate it
13:25 schestowitz-TR; *cert
13:25 bnchs; whats the SHA256 fingerprint
13:26 schestowitz-TR; I'd have to check at the back end
13:26 schestowitz-TR; you can see the public one
13:26 schestowitz-TR; so can I
13:26 schestowitz-TR; unless your ISP is MiTM /us/!
13:26 schestowitz-TR; *MitM
13:26 bnchs; lol they MiTM all the time
13:26 matey; in soviet russia, they have middle in the man attacks
13:26 bnchs; i get HTTP-only warnings for sites that have HTTPS
13:27 schestowitz-TR; (a bunch of techs telling in French... zis!! zis jemini proxiiii... we need to intercept zat"|
13:27 matey; gemini cricket
13:27 schestowitz-TR; jemini
13:27 schestowitz-TR; jemeenee
13:28 matey; and i hope you like gemin too
13:28 schestowitz; https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini
13:28 TR Bot; Gemini Wikipdia
13:28 schestowitz; https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmini_(film,_2002)
13:28 TR Bot; Gmini (film, 2002) Wikipdia
13:29 schestowitz-TR; is the talk 2pm boston time?
13:29 schestowitz-TR; rms is in boston still, right?
13:29 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oqVy6eRXc7Q
13:29 TR Bot; Bob Marley & The Wailers - Jamming (Official Music Video) - Invidious
13:29 *schestowitz-TR checks if we can re-steam/embed
13:29 matey; i mean the fsf is still in that area
13:29 schestowitz; https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmini_(film,_2002)
13:29 matey; the talk is 2pm boston time
13:29 schestowitz; https://stallman.org/talks.html
13:29 TR Bot; Talks - Richard Stallman
13:29 matey; eastern time zone is fucking huge
13:30 schestowitz-TR; matey: was he not escorted out of new england?
13:30 schestowitz-TR; like john mcafee or something?
13:30 matey; was he not escorted out of new england? <- i assume youre joking
13:30 schestowitz; "
13:30 schestowitz; Title: The State of the Free Software Movement
13:30 schestowitz; Richard Stallman will be speaking about the free software movement and your freedom. His speech will be nontechnical, admission is gratis, and the public is encouraged to attend online.
13:30 schestowitz; Online at fsf.org/live
13:30 schestowitz; "
13:30 schestowitz; "Please note that all online participants and interactions are expected to abide by the safe space policy."
13:31 schestowitz; They use the term "Safe space"
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13:31 schestowitz; that's good
13:31 matey; theyre using lieplanets safe space policy
13:31 schestowitz; nobody wants explosives going on while he speaks
13:31 schestowitz; they need to hire some doorman
13:31 schestowitz; Please note that all online participants and interactions are expected to abide by the safe space policy.
13:31 matey; maybe they should refer to the kind guidelines as the "kind of" guidelines
13:31 schestowitz-TR; hey, here is a question
13:32 schestowitz-TR; RMS was disrupting talks at AMD events
13:32 matey; the coc avoidance policy that doesnt avoid a coc
13:32 schestowitz-TR; among others sitins and posters
13:32 schestowitz-TR; what if you want to do that at libreplanet
13:32 matey; sort of like their stances on github and secure boot
13:32 schestowitz-TR; what would happen?
13:32 matey; do what at lieplanet?
13:33 schestowitz-TR; stage a protest
13:33 schestowitz-TR; not that I suggest that
13:33 schestowitz-TR; would the "safe space" policy cover it?
13:33 matey; i would recommend protesting outside
13:33 schestowitz-TR; like if FSF gave an award to something really bad?
13:33 schestowitz-TR; and you wanted to object
13:33 matey; "if"
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13:34 matey; there was a time i considered protesting outside lieplanet
13:34 matey; but protests should ideally be aimed at changing something
13:34 matey; and i think its too late
13:34 schestowitz-TR; macia wilbut protested against LF
13:34 schestowitz-TR; in their event
13:35 matey; shes awesome
13:35 schestowitz-TR; the hotal canceled her booking/reservation/room iirc
13:35 schestowitz-TR; *wilbur
13:35 schestowitz-TR; we have photos
13:35 schestowitz-TR; hang on..
13:35 matey; the hotal canceled her booking/reservation/room <- how does that even happen?
13:35 matey; also what hotel, so i can avoid ever doing business with them again
13:36 matey; (as much as possible)
13:37 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2019/08/29/linux-foundation-swag/
13:37 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Swag, Corrected Edition | Techrights
13:37 matey; does it mention which hotel?
13:38 schestowitz-TR; maybe
13:38 schestowitz-TR; I forgot
13:38 schestowitz-TR; some expensive one
13:38 matey; /me checks to see if his text copy has that one
13:38 schestowitz-TR; like radisson or hilton
13:38 schestowitz-TR; to keep the "smelly hippies" out
13:38 psydruid; why would rms disrupt talks at AMD events?
13:38 matey; yep i already have a copy
13:39 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: wait..
13:39 matey; oh jono bacon
13:39 psydruid; I'm not a fan of AMD, but I would rather replace them completely
13:40 schestowitz-TR; oh
13:40 schestowitz-TR; ati
13:40 schestowitz; https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html
13:40 TR Bot; Protest against ATI nearly led to the arrest of RMS Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
13:40 psydruid; if they go out of business, that's just collateral damage
13:40 matey; t Starbucksno one knows who jono is lolmaybeif you pay him 3k.he'd tweet about you lmao. crashing lf event.hotel cancelled my reservationbut I booked again through third party.
13:40 schestowitz; https://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/cat/richard-stallman/page/16
13:40 TR Bot; richard stallman Page 16 Everybody loves Eric Raymond
13:41 matey; no mention of which hotel
13:41 matey; pity
13:41 matey; but also theres no clarification WHY they cancelled either
13:42 schestowitz-TR; maybe she did not use a "mac"
13:42 matey; :)
13:43 schestowitz-TR; "unauthorised" software with not secure "boot" or any kind
13:43 matey; today should be a glorious day for bullshit
13:43 schestowitz-TR; that's against a "safe space policy
13:43 schestowitz-TR; mac also needs to scan all your files
13:43 matey; with stallman giving a talk moderated by an openly anti-stallman irc network
13:43 schestowitz-TR; in case there's pedo pr0n in it
13:43 matey; subject to lieplanet policies even when they didnt invite him to their own event
13:43 schestowitz-TR; LF: WE are the KINGS of diversity
13:43 schestowitz-TR; (LF cancels asian lady..)
13:43 matey; lieplanet: youre not invited
13:43 matey; rms: ill do my own talk
13:44 matey; lieplanet: youll have to use our policy for your own talk
13:44 schestowitz-TR; "we'll do it live!"
13:44 schestowitz-TR; "fsck it"
13:44 matey; its not the fsf, its the lieplanet software foundation
13:44 matey; the full name of the talk is
13:44 schestowitz-TR; a month ago I jokes to myself about submitting a talk to libreplanet 2013
13:44 schestowitz-TR; *2023
13:44 schestowitz-TR; about an intentionally difficult subject
13:44 schestowitz-TR; they didn't want to give lxo a slot
13:45 matey; the safe state of free software as allowed by the lieplanet code of conduct which may eject rms from his own talk at any time
13:45 schestowitz-TR; worrying he'd go off script and - gasp - mention rms
13:45 matey; i hope rms isnt foolish enough to mention himself at this talk
13:45 schestowitz-TR; my talk proposals for libreplanet 2023
13:45 matey; that wouldnt make it a safe space
13:45 schestowitz-TR; "how code of conduct can backfire"
13:45 matey; no safe space for free speech-- thats reversism and gnome is watching you
13:45 schestowitz-TR; "how the media assassinations free software hackers"
13:46 matey; i think the code of conduct frontfires
13:46 matey; its like saying windows has a backdoor
13:46 schestowitz-TR; "the threats of corporations to communities"
13:46 matey; windows is a front door
13:46 schestowitz-TR; and so on..
13:46 schestowitz-TR; windows is a doormat
13:46 schestowitz-TR; for nsa
13:46 schestowitz-TR; it's a doroMATT
13:46 matey; THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
13:47 schestowitz; "Inflation is at an all-time high since the euro was launched in 1997. It is not a mere indicator anymore; it is here to hurt. The inflation index published by Eurostat for March 2022 is 7.5% for the eurozone and 11.9% for The Netherlands when compared with prices a year before on March 2021. And still growing. The trend stays worrying upwards, with no visible signs of a stabilisation, let alone a downward trend. In fact, the problem of inflation
13:47 schestowitz; is that once established in the economy it hardly finds a downward trend. We all maybe remember efforts of European economies in the late 80s to reduce inflation levels, during a period of both long-term inflation and economic stagnation, called stagflation."
13:47 schestowitz; stagflation
13:47 schestowitz; I like it
13:47 schestowitz; good think we just buy discounted
13:47 schestowitz; we'll breeze right through it
13:47 schestowitz; but travel is also expensive
13:47 schestowitz; of, wait
13:48 schestowitz; we can avoid that
13:48 schestowitz; energy? well, that's a tough one
13:48 schestowitz; more layers
13:48 schestowitz; should I submit my first-ever proposal to libreplanet?
13:48 schestowitz; it would not be provocation btw
13:48 schestowitz; it would be sincere
13:49 schestowitz; they need to allow these sorts of topics
13:49 schestowitz; taboo is not freedom
13:49 schestowitz; esp. if the taboo is imposed by those looking to undermine the org
13:49 activelow; "all-time high since the euro was launched"; which ignores the facts of two preceeding currency reforms
13:50 TR News; "WindowsReport" now tells you that to use "LINUX" you should stay with Windows. This is what WSL is about. It is an ATTACK on GNU/Linux. And mind who promotes it! Anti-Linux sites...
13:50 activelow; i arrived at ~8% annual inflation with compound interest(!) since 1990
13:50 matey; <schestowitz> should I submit my first-ever proposal to libreplanet? <- it would be participating in a farce
13:51 matey; what did mjg call his contribution to/against secure boot?
13:51 matey; did he name it?
13:51 matey; does it have a name?
13:52 TR News; SDxCentral is a paid-for LF mouthpiece. A lot of the WWW became Webspam. SDxCentral is part of this epidemic.
13:53 matey; security.stackexchange.com/questions/24794/impact-of-mathew-garretts-secure-grub-bootloader-on-uefi-secure-boot 5 My eyebrows rose with Matthew Garrett announcing his Secure GRUB Bootloader less than three hours after no longer being a Red Hat employee. This work and its impact on the trust chain design of the UEFI secure boot now being implemented on Windows 8 configured hardware has had me puzzled for the last six months.
13:54 TR News; Razer and Lambda Team Up to Unveil a Linux Laptop for Deep Learning Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163670
13:54 TR Bot; Razer and Lambda Team Up to Unveil a Linux Laptop for Deep Learning | Tux Machines
13:54 matey; <schestowitz> should I submit my first-ever proposal to libreplanet? <- yes, provided you call the proposal "secure free speech safe space policy"
13:55 schestowitz-TR; at least ibm can no longer pick up the phone and threaten fsf
13:55 schestowitz-TR; "if you let this guy speak..."
13:55 schestowitz-TR; "he mention IBM's history.."
13:55 matey; they still have lawyers
13:56 schestowitz-TR; "he hurts nazis' feelings..."
13:56 matey; they can threaten defamation or some shit
13:56 schestowitz-TR; well, they did sue to take down WeBuildFedora
13:56 matey; if the fsf wants to cave, ibm can give them a reason
13:56 schestowitz-TR; not sue per say
13:56 schestowitz-TR; but it was formal legal action
13:56 matey; injuction?
13:56 schestowitz-TR; like 50 pages
13:56 schestowitz-TR; yes, something like that
13:56 matey; a company named sue
13:57 schestowitz-TR; SueCom(b to that)
13:57 matey; ibm sues
13:57 matey; s/e/ck/
13:58 matey; i wonder if it will be possible to download the talk while its streaming
13:59 TR News; Webspam is killing the web. This "Linux" site started trotting out SEO spam, not it's pushing OUTRIGHT SCAMS! https://kifarunix.com/how-to-develop-an-nft-marketplace-a-comprehensive-guide/
13:59 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: kifarunix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://kifarunix.com/how-to-develop-an-nft-marketplace-a-comprehensive-guide/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://kifarunix.com/how-to-develop-an-nft-marketplace-a-comprehensive-guide/
13:59 TR Bot; to Develop an NFT Marketplace: A Comprehensive Guide - kifarunix.com
13:59 matey; you can do that with [infamous streaming website]
13:59 matey; no need to mention which
14:00 TR News; Legit sites won't survive and will not benefit from turning to SEO or webspam. They typically do so in the false hope of 'cashing in' on their way out, seeing they're already failing as legit sites. FOSS Force joined that wave... (sadly)
14:01 schestowitz-TR; [13:58] <matey> i wonder if it will be possible to download the talk while its streaming
14:01 schestowitz-TR; some did this in libreplanet
14:01 schestowitz-TR; someone in this channel (IRC) did last year
14:01 schestowitz-TR; so we had copies before FSF published them
14:01 schestowitz-TR; like the RMS return
14:02 matey; ill give it a try
14:02 schestowitz-TR; but this time I think I can 'borrow' the FSF's stream
14:02 schestowitz-TR; because of how it is implemented
14:02 matey; because its js based
14:02 schestowitz-TR; zoobab used to rip a lot of talks
14:02 schestowitz-TR; in real-time
14:02 schestowitz-TR; esp. patent stuff
14:02 matey; it used to be more trivial
14:02 schestowitz-TR; as the authorities would not publish a video afterwards
14:03 matey; but there are some excellent tools (even if theyre not trivial to implement)
14:03 matey; youd be surprised how sometimes its as simple as looking at the source and grabbing something that starts with http and ends with .mp4
14:03 TR News; Gulag 'owns' Apache Cassandra now? https://opensource.com/article/22/4/apache-cassandra-google-summer-code-program
14:03 TR Bot; to join Apache Cassandra during Google Summer of Code | Opensource.com
14:03 matey; then you can just use wget
14:04 matey; but usually its not that easy
14:04 matey; its just funny when it is
14:05 TR News; #HowTo install Twilio Authy in Linux based system Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163671
14:05 TR Bot; How to install Twilio Authy in Linux based system | Tux Machines
14:05 matey; its funny when theres gobs of javascript around all that
14:05 matey; "we obfuscated everything except the url"
14:06 matey; again, this is the exception
14:06 matey; its often insanely complex
14:07 schestowitz-TR; by intention
14:07 matey; of course
14:07 schestowitz-TR; a web of complexity
14:07 schestowitz-TR; literally
14:07 schestowitz-TR; to throw people off the hooks
14:07 schestowitz-TR; like the data object
14:07 matey; to force people to use the shit
14:07 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163672
14:07 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
14:08 matey; this is why i dont think "content" is condescending
14:08 schestowitz-TR; eye are pirvacy tools
14:08 matey; its always been used to refer to the gOOD part
14:08 schestowitz-TR; we should remove eyes
14:08 schestowitz-TR; and ban them
14:08 schestowitz-TR; and for music mouths and ears
14:08 schestowitz-TR; and speakers
14:08 schestowitz-TR; only "authorised" speakers
14:08 schestowitz-TR; with garbled signals
14:08 matey; s/rms//
14:08 schestowitz-TR; and reverse-engineering criminalised
14:09 schestowitz-TR; "omg!! he passed a song unencrypted! Arrest hbim!"
14:10 matey; rms made a valiant effort to get these companies to behave
14:10 matey; unfortunately he still thinks thats possible
14:10 TR News; Back 4 Blood adds experimental support for GNU/Linux and Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/back-4-blood-adds-experimental-support-for-linux-and-steam-deck/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
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14:10 TR Bot; 4 Blood adds experimental support for Linux and Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
14:10 matey; but he made the best effort in that direction that anyone could-- now everyone wants to capitulate
14:11 matey; not only will it not work either-- it will work quite a lot less than what stallman attempted
14:11 TR News; "Arx Fatalis is an Arkane Studios classic from 2002 that was officially open sourced. This update for Arx Libertatis should hopefully make it work even better on the Steam Deck, and Linux desktops using Mesa drivers." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/arx-fatalis-open-source-engine-arx-libertatis-gets-fixed-up-for-mesa-drivers/
14:11 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/arx-fatalis-open-source-engine-arx-libertatis-gets-fixed-up-for-mesa-drivers/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/arx-fatalis-open-source-engine-arx-libertatis-gets-fixed-up-for-mesa-drivers/
14:11 TR Bot; Fatalis open source engine Arx Libertatis gets fixed up for Mesa drivers | GamingOnLinux
14:11 matey; theyre suckers
14:11 matey; or liars
14:11 MinceR; 13 145148 < matey> does it have a name?
14:11 MinceR; i believe Torvalds called it a "dick-sucking contest" :>
14:11 matey; secure grub bootloader is the closest i came up with
14:12 matey; torvalds was right about that much
14:12 schestowitz; is there such a thing, literally?
14:12 matey; security.stackexchange.com/questions/24794/impact-of-mathew-garretts-secure-grub-bootloader-on-uefi-secure-boot
14:12 matey; it could be a description rather than the name
14:12 matey; in other words, he might not actually call it that
14:12 matey; i didnt do a deep dive on this
14:12 schestowitz; it's a mirage
14:13 schestowitz; considering more potent attack vectors
14:13 schestowitz; but anyway
14:13 matey; mostly it was for rhetorical purposes in response to your question if you should submit anything to lieplanet
14:13 schestowitz-TR; now you can 'safely' boot a piece of mwlare like windows
14:13 schestowitz-TR; "success"
14:13 matey; i compared you submitting a proposal to lie planet to mjg submitting patches to grub
14:13 schestowitz-TR; using an opaque chip with lots of defects
14:17 matey; questioning the safe space policy isnt allowed by the safe space policy
14:17 matey; its like a locked bootloader for free speech
14:18 matey; if you question the policy someone might feel unsafe
14:18 TR News; Bruce Schneier pretends this is not about Microsoft Windows. But it is (.exe file). He's compromised to me.... https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/04/russian-cyberattack-against-ukrainian-power-grid-prevented.html
14:18 TR Bot; Cyberattack against Ukrainian Power Grid Prevented - Schneier on Security
14:18 schestowitz-TR; matey: questioning the ethics of "ethical" source
14:19 schestowitz-TR; or the justice of "justice warriors"
14:19 matey; its barely hyperbole to say this is the sort of thing that leads to stalinism
14:19 matey; this is the sort of thing that led to stalinism.
14:19 schestowitz-TR; and asian woman cannot protest either
14:19 schestowitz-TR; the hotel will "Cancel" her
14:19 schestowitz-TR; in the name of "safe space"
14:19 matey; i wish we had more info on that
14:19 schestowitz-TR; D&I
14:19 matey; right now it reeks of post hoc
14:20 matey; i mean, its very PLAUSIBLE post hoc
14:20 schestowitz-TR; "when did you stop beating up the wife, James Zemlin?"
14:20 matey; but not "im comfortable stating this as a fact" post hoc
14:20 matey; theres just no data at all
14:20 matey; at least from the article
14:20 TR News; Games: Overworld, Splitgate, Back 4 Blood, and Arx Fatalis Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163673
14:20 TR Bot; Games: Overworld, Splitgate, Back 4 Blood, and Arx Fatalis | Tux Machines
14:21 matey; she went to a conference, the hotel cancelled her reservation
14:22 matey; but hotels do that, as far as i know
14:22 TR News; Changes at SUSE Update on next generation of SLE https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/N6TTE7ZBY7GFJ27XSDTXRF3MVLF6HW4W/
14:22 matey; id love to know at least:
14:22 TR Bot; Update on next generation of SLE - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists
14:22 matey; 1. do we know what they said about it
14:22 matey; 2. does marcia believe there was a connection
14:23 matey; even if 2 is satisfied, i can appreciate that
14:23 TR News; Biometric ID in Tunisia: a threat to privacy and data protection - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/biometric-id-tunisia/ Source: accessnow
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14:23 TR Bot; Biometric ID in Tunisia: a threat to privacy and data protection - Access Now
14:23 matey; i dont need a full congressional investigation to show me the hotel was being...
14:23 schestowitz-TR; 'orphaned' developer
14:23 matey; but how would the hotel even know?
14:24 schestowitz-TR; not tied to pantagon
14:24 matey; did someone call and complain?
14:25 TR News; Reporting of cyber incidents becomes law in the USA | Pen Test Partners https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/reporting-of-cyber-incidents-becomes-law-in-the-usa/ Source: pentestpartners
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14:25 TR Bot; Reporting of cyber incidents becomes law in the USA | Pen Test Partners
14:25 schestowitz-TR; in an epic film
14:25 schestowitz-TR; about a future
14:26 schestowitz-TR; dystopian
14:26 schestowitz-TR; corporations phone landlords
14:26 schestowitz-TR; rendering their exposers and critics homeless
14:26 schestowitz-TR; the future might be 2020
14:26 matey; oh yeah, microsoft does shit like that
14:26 schestowitz-TR; and public gathering is "public hazard'
14:27 schestowitz-TR; you get arrested for the crime of "being close" to other consenting adults
14:27 schestowitz-TR; microsoft is not even a company
14:27 schestowitz-TR; it's organised crime, and a cult..
14:27 matey; full agreement
14:27 schestowitz-TR; the US government supports this cult
14:27 matey; yep
14:27 schestowitz-TR; and gives it gov positions
14:27 schestowitz-TR; even USPTO
14:27 matey; yep
14:28 matey; as kingoffrance would say its another ppp
14:28 TR News; Civil society to EU: dont threaten rights with last-minute crisis response mechanism in DSA - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/crisis-response-mechanism-dsa/ Source: accessnow
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14:28 TR Bot; Civil society to EU: dont threaten rights with last-minute crisis response mechanism in DSA - Access Now
14:28 matey; "you down with ppp?" "yeah you know me!"
14:29 matey; "whos down with ppp?" "every 501c3!"
14:29 TR News; Works only in theory; direct exchange/bartering works a lot better. https://www.maketecheasier.com/what-is-defi/
14:29 TR Bot; What Is DeFi And How Does It Work - Make Tech Easier
14:29 matey; people talking about defunding npr
14:30 matey; npr had cuts made by NIXON
14:30 matey; they were supposed to be funded by gov in the public interest (like the beeb)
14:30 matey; the gov made cuts, they sought funding from corporations instead (like the beeb)
14:31 matey; today theyre a corporate mouthpiece funded by bill gates (like the beeb)
14:31 TR News; One reason governments loathe sharing and software freedom or free software is that it's hard to tax and track exchange of "goods" (mutual sharing, reciprocity, immaterial). Of course "open source" is just an openwashing varnish for same old crap.
14:32 matey; software in the private interest (debibm)
14:34 matey; fsf: getting corporations to hijack us is a sort of victory
14:34 matey; open source: THATS WHAT WEVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY FOR 20 YEARS!
14:35 matey; the capitulation of red chief
14:35 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ransom_of_Red_Chief
14:35 TR Bot; The Ransom of Red Chief - Wikipedia
14:38 matey; is it a scam or just terrible philosophy?
14:39 matey; thanks to postmodernism, it can be both!
14:39 TR News; Installation and Review of Linux Mint 20.3 XFCE https://www.tecmint.com/linux-mint-xfce-installation/ Source: TecMint FreeSW | GNU | Linux
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14:39 TR Bot; Installation and Review of Linux Mint 20.3 XFCE
14:40 TR News; PDF viewer list on Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163674
14:40 TR Bot; PDF viewer list on Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish Linux | Tux Machines
14:40 TR News; Linux desktop is still the best desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163675
14:40 TR Bot; Linux desktop is still the best desktop | Tux Machines
14:40 matey; just to be clear im expecting the speech to sound good
14:41 matey; it might take 12 hours to pick apart
14:41 matey; or it might be trivial
14:41 matey; but the one thing im not expecting is for it to be stallman
14:42 matey; thats basically impossible at this point
14:45 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.eu/FOSSForce/status/1514237473622216704#m
14:45 TR Bot; FOSS Force (@FOSSForce): "Ruby Patches Important Bugs | Tux Machines https://buff.ly/3M1Acik" | nitter
14:45 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.eu/BrideOfLinux/status/1514234494261374988#m
14:45 matey; oh gods
14:45 TR Bot; Christine Hall (@BrideOfLinux): "Definitely time to patch: Ruby Patches Important Bugs | Tux Machines https://buff.ly/3M1Acik" | nitter
14:45 matey; im afraid to look
14:46 TR News; TurnKey GNU/Linux: Core & TKLDev v17.0 Stable Release & "preliminary" RPi4 builds Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163676
14:46 TR Bot; TurnKey GNU/Linux: Core & TKLDev v17.0 Stable Release & "preliminary" RPi4 builds | Tux Machines
14:46 matey; ruby?
14:48 matey; hehehehehe
14:48 matey; https://www.zdnet.com/article/shimming-your-way-to-linux-on-windows-8-pcs/ However, Matthew Garrett, a well-known Linux developer who's been working on fixing the Secure Boot problem, has just released a working UEFI boot solution for Linux distributors.
14:48 TR Bot; your way to Linux on Windows 8 PCs | ZDNet
14:48 matey; i dont need to check who wrote it do i?
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14:49 TR News; Free "service" for (mostly) a pyramid scheme of fake trust (from the empire that supports investigation of war crimes, except its own) https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/12/sslping_to_ping_no_more/
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14:49 TR Bot; SSLPing to ping no more: Creator calls it quits The Register
14:50 TR News; Mumble is an open-source VoIP application Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163677
14:50 TR Bot; Mumble is an open-source VoIP application | Tux Machines
14:52 TR News; "HedgeDoc is a self-hosted, web-based collaborative markdown editor for teams and enterprise. It is an ideal solution for students, researchers, and writers." https://medevel.com/hedgedoc/
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14:52 TR Bot; HedgeDoc is an open-source collaborative markdown writing platform
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14:57 TR News; "Collaboration is a critical ingredient for successful IT organizations." And that's why we at ICBM Red Hat slander Richard Stallman https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/4-ways-create-culture-collaboration
14:57 TR Bot; 4 ways to create a culture of collaboration | The Enterprisers Project
14:58 TR News; Yes, buzzwords and hype are indeed challenges and the people who push them need to be overcome. Push them. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/agile-3-pitfalls
14:58 TR Bot; 3 Agile pitfalls and how to overcome them | The Enterprisers Project
14:59 TR News; kifarUNIX is dead to me. It rendered itself scams, spam, and SEO. Spamfarm.
15:00 TR News; If you want to commit loads of crimes and still stay out of jail, then you want to apply for a job at Microsoft http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33323
15:00 TR Bot; Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines
15:02 TR News; Congrats to Spamnil. New records approached. Soon nobody will watch his spammy videos except himself and the guest.
15:02 TR News; IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163678
15:02 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
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15:04 TR News; Spamnil now has videos with literally more days than views, e.g. 13 days, 12 views. At least he kills his own instead of Linux.com but afaik LF pays him to do this... they do not want potent journalism, just openwashing spam.
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15:05 TR News; Linux Foundation is named after the thing it is trying to hurt.
15:07 TR News; LLVM 14.0.1 Released.... to Microsoft proprietary claws. What's the point handing over all your hard work to criminals? They do not even pay you for it...
15:17 Techrights-sec; LF is dirt
15:17 Techrights-sec; but then that appears to the main goal of the principals involved
15:17 Techrights-sec; Why else would vmware, M$ and the others join the board if not to
15:17 Techrights-sec; subvert and dilute the GPL and Linux
15:18 TR News; "Cockpit is the modern Linux admin interface. We release regularly. Here are the release notes from Cockpit 267 and cockpit-machines 266..." https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-267.html
15:18 TR Bot; Cockpit 267 Cockpit Project
15:18 TR News; "To control things through gesture movement, GY-61 is a great and cheap way module enabling to manage all three directions moments In this tutorial, well interface the GY-61 accelerometer with Arduino Uno including code, connection diagram, and component list." https://peppe8o.com/accelerometer-with-arduino-uno-adxl335-gy-61-wiring-and-code/
15:18 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: peppe8o.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://peppe8o.com/accelerometer-with-arduino-uno-adxl335-gy-61-wiring-and-code/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://peppe8o.com/accelerometer-with-arduino-uno-adxl335-gy-61-wiring-and-code/
15:18 TR Bot; Accelerometer with Arduino Uno: ADXL335 (GY-61) wiring and code
15:19 TR News; "A major upgrade of Microdnf is the first step in the evolution of package management in Fedora. The new microdnf has ambitions to provide all major features of DNF without losing its minimal footprint." https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MajorUpgradeOfMicrodnf
15:19 TR Bot; Changes/MajorUpgradeOfMicrodnf - Fedora Project Wiki
15:21 TR News; Most of these are free software; that should be PREREQUISITE to trust and security https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5-password-managers-built-teams/
15:21 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5-password-managers-built-teams/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5-password-managers-built-teams/
15:21 TR Bot; password managers built for teams | TechRepublic
15:21 TR News; Arduino releases secure bootloader based on MCUboot - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/arduino-mcuboot-secure-bootloader/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
15:21 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/arduino-mcuboot-secure-bootloader/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/arduino-mcuboot-secure-bootloader/
15:21 TR Bot; Arduino releases secure bootloader based on MCUboot - CNX Software
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15:24 TR News; I Want Privacy for Illegal Things gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/illegal_things.gmi "cannot make use of end-to-end encryption (at least not when writing to my mum), but a privacy respecting protocol would undoubtedly solve the problem."
15:25 TR News; A call for Gemini without TLS gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/02/16.1
15:26 schestowitz; "In a recent [1,2] *log entry, I lamented being unable to get Elpher to use client certificates---which are an integral component of the Gemini protocol---in establishing TLS connections using the native Emacs network functions." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2020-06-22-Elpher-client-certificates.txt
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15:37 bnchs; hello schestowitz
15:38 bnchs; i was out for a walk
15:38 bnchs; found 3 DVDs containing(?) a burnt copy of Gears of War
15:38 bnchs; "Games for Windows"
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15:40 SomeH4x0r; someone threw them away?
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15:42 bnchs; SomeH4x0r, idk
15:42 bnchs; but i found it in the bushes
15:42 bnchs; "Application :NERO BURNING ROM"
15:43 bnchs; "Volume Name:GEARS_OF_WAR_PC1"
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15:44 bnchs; "Gears of War, also known simply as Gears, is a media franchise centered on a series of video games created by Epic Games"
15:44 bnchs; "and owned and published by Xbox Game Studios."
15:44 bnchs; and a windows and xbox exclusive
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15:45 SomeH4x0r; is it safe to insert unknown optical drives, unlike USB?
15:45 bnchs; i mounted it read-only
15:46 SomeH4x0r; I mean hardware damage, like USB killers
15:47 bnchs; thunar froze trying to mount it
15:47 bnchs; so it's porbably already corrupt
15:47 SomeH4x0r; does dd work?
15:48 SomeH4x0r; though I have a few CDs on which dd doesn't work, but I can copy the files
15:48 SomeH4x0r; dd says I/O error and does nothing
15:50 bnchs; finding CDs and DVDs on the ground is nothing out of the ordinary
15:50 bnchs; i found a burnt PS2 game (which was partially corrupt) on some location
15:51 TR News; Testing Figures Diminish to Lowest Since 2020 as Government Strategy Morphs Into COVID Denial (COVIDiots in Charge) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/13/covid-denial/
15:51 TR Bot; Blog Archive Testing Figures Diminish to Lowest Since 2020 as Government Strategy Morphs Into COVID Denial (COVIDiots in Charge)
15:52 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: Microsoft is a DVDCompany(R)
15:52 bnchs; but i think this is a message
15:52 bnchs; a windows/xbox exclusive game made by epic games
15:56 MinceR; tencent teams up with MICROS~1
15:58 bnchs; i like finding random CDs
16:01 psydruid; so someone asked on the ARM Discord server why they chose to use Discord rather than something more open like IRC or Matrix
16:02 psydruid; and they were almost banned for voicing their discontent with that decision
16:02 MinceR; lol
16:02 psydruid; so Solid-Run doesn't look like a friend of free software
16:03 psydruid; more of a friend of oppression
16:03 bnchs; lol
16:03 bnchs; we're free software
16:03 bnchs; but use nonn-free platforms
16:04 psydruid; I don' t get why free software projects use proprietary centralised services either
16:04 psydruid; yes, screw them
16:04 TR News; Binary to display all GTK widgets https://bkhome.org/news/202204/binary-to-display-all-gtk-widgets.html Source: bkhome
16:04 TR Bot; Binary to display all GTK widgets
16:09 TR News; "The Arch-based distro EndeavourOS has a new release with plenty of improvements and some new feature additions." https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-release-roundup-2022-15/
16:09 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: itsfoss.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-release-roundup-2022-15/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-release-roundup-2022-15/
16:09 TR Bot; Linux Release Roundup #22.15: Raspberry Pi OS, EndeavourOS Apollo, and More Releases - It's FOSS News
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16:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 111.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 322.51
16:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 111.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 322.51
16:10 TR News; OpenSSH SCP deprecation in RHEL 9: What you need to know Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163679
16:10 TR Bot; OpenSSH SCP deprecation in RHEL 9: What you need to know | Tux Machines
16:11 TR News; Top 5 Best Arcade Games for Linux To Cherish the Nostalgia Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163680
16:11 TR Bot; Top 5 Best Arcade Games for Linux To Cherish the Nostalgia | Tux Machines
16:11 MinceR; (fox) https://ircz.de/p/22032420
16:11 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/deswdl4i5uo81.jpg created on 2022-03-24 03:15:53.426572
16:11 TR News; LibreWolf vs Firefox: Comparing the Privacy Heroes of Open-Source Browsers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163681
16:11 TR Bot; LibreWolf vs Firefox: Comparing the Privacy Heroes of Open-Source Browsers | Tux Machines
16:11 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163682
16:11 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
16:26 bnchs; psydruid, what is this Discord guild about
16:27 psydruid; bnchs, it's ARM's "developer community"
16:27 psydruid; it beats me why they chose Discord
16:28 psydruid; but ARM being proprietary probably likes proprietary things
16:28 psydruid; such as Windows and macOS
16:29 bnchs; lol
16:29 bnchs; if they end up almost banning a user
16:30 bnchs; because they asked a question about why they used discord
16:30 bnchs; it almost seems like they're bribed
16:30 bnchs; or brainwashed
16:30 psydruid; yes
16:30 psydruid; or both
16:30 psydruid; bribed & brainwashed
16:31 bnchs; lol
16:31 bnchs; https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360054793351-Discord-for-Windows-10-ARM64
16:31 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360054793351-Discord-for-Windows-10-ARM64 )
16:31 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: discord.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360054793351-Discord-for-Windows-10-ARM64 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360054793351-Discord-for-Windows-10-ARM64
16:31 bnchs; this is what proprietary software gets you
16:31 psydruid; https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/microsoft-joins-linaro-arm-and-qualcomm-technologies-to-advance-windows-on-arm/
16:31 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: hpcwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/microsoft-joins-linaro-arm-and-qualcomm-technologies-to-advance-windows-on-arm/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/microsoft-joins-linaro-arm-and-qualcomm-technologies-to-advance-windows-on-arm/
16:31 TR Bot; Microsoft Joins Linaro, Arm and Qualcomm Technologies to Advance Windows on Arm
16:31 psydruid; there you have it
16:31 bnchs; begging a company to make a ARM64 port
16:31 bnchs; for windows 10
16:31 bnchs; windows 10 on ARM64
16:31 psydruid; joined Linaro to Advance Windows on ARM
16:31 bnchs; "
16:31 bnchs; As part of the Electron 7.0.0 update, ARM64 support was added to Electron. Seeing as Windows 10 ARM64 computers have started to roll out, it may be useful to create an ARM64 build of Discord for it. In the mean time, the normal client does work, since Windows 10 ARM can run x86 32bit apps like Discord's normal client. Unfortunately, the performance is really slow as it has to run through a translation layer.
16:31 bnchs; "
16:31 psydruid; lol
16:32 bnchs; "We need a native Windows ARM64 client immediately!"
16:32 bnchs; imagine begging like this
16:33 psydruid; it's looking pathetic
16:34 bnchs; proprietary software leaves you begging for the devs
16:35 TR News; Has Qt shifted from "Open Source" to crApp bloat? https://www.qt.io/blog/make-your-app-live-longer
16:35 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/make-your-app-live-longer https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.qt.io/blog/make-your-app-live-longer
16:35 TR Bot; Make Your App Live Longer
16:36 TR News; Qt doing emojis now :/ https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-python-details-on-the-new-6.3-release
16:36 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-python-details-on-the-new-6.3-release https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-python-details-on-the-new-6.3-release
16:36 TR Bot; Qt for Python details on the new 6.3 release
16:36 SomeH4x0r; it did years ago
16:37 TR News; But do these chips do smart and clown and "hey hi"? https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/broadcom-unveils-wifi-7-chips-for-access-points-and-clients/
16:37 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/broadcom-unveils-wifi-7-chips-for-access-points-and-clients/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/broadcom-unveils-wifi-7-chips-for-access-points-and-clients/
16:37 TR Bot; Broadcom unveils WiFi 7 chips for access points and clients - CNX Software
16:37 bnchs; emojis have turned into shit
16:37 bnchs; they were supposed to be raceless sexless, generic smilies
16:38 bnchs; but then it turned into a circus of skin colors and religion and races
16:38 bnchs; and flags
16:38 TR News; Usenet Newsreader Reviews https://cloudyday.tech.blog/2022/04/13/usenet-newsreader-reviews/
16:38 TR Bot; Usenet Newsreader Reviews blog.theuse.net
16:39 MinceR; it also turned unicode into a churning monstrosity that gets updated every year
16:39 MinceR; and they're wasting code points on emoji, while they screwed CJKV characters with han unification
16:39 bnchs; emojis have ruined unicode
16:40 bnchs; they should scrap all the emojis
16:40 *techrights_guest|32 (~543b32bc@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
16:40 bnchs; and start from the beginning
16:40 MinceR; unicode was already ruined
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16:42 TR News; from HTML5 & Javascript blob technique to ransomeware JS is evil (when it is allowed to do more than gui animations) https://dwaves.de/2022/04/13/from-html5-javascript-blob-technique-to-ransomeware-js-is-evil-when-it-is-allowed-to-do-more-than-gui-animations/
16:42 TR Bot; from HTML5 & Javascript blob technique to ransomeware JS is evil (when it is allowed to do more than gui animations) | dwaves.de
16:42 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22040425
16:42 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/xrrub0gpp5r81.jpg created on 2022-04-04 07:39:21.381567
16:43 XRevan86; MinceR: First thing I noticed is the MasterLock. The second thing I noticed is that it protects nothing.
16:43 MinceR; :)
16:44 TR News; Software: HedgeDoc, Usenet Newsreaders, and Cockpit Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163683
16:44 TR Bot; Software: HedgeDoc, Usenet Newsreaders, and Cockpit | Tux Machines
16:44 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: sort of like "secure" boot
16:45 MinceR; "secure" boot is much worse
16:45 schestowitz-TR; it protects companies from the user/buyer/'owner'
16:45 MinceR; it "protects" MICROS~1's market share
16:45 XRevan86; schestowitz: There's no "notch decoder" for "Secure"Boot.
16:45 schestowitz-TR; yes
16:46 XRevan86; * "notched decoder"
16:46 schestowitz-TR; de coder
16:47 schestowitz-TR; like LP?
16:47 XRevan86; schestowitz: yes
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16:56 TR News; TensorFlow Library Performance Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163684
16:56 TR Bot; TensorFlow Library Performance | Tux Machines
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 102.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 296.60
17:13 bnchs; fuck nvidia CUDA
17:13 bnchs; imagine nvidia inventing proprietary crap like microsoft
17:13 bnchs; instead of OpenCL, it's CUDA
17:17 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22040352
17:17 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/kji9vfe0pbr81.jpg created on 2022-04-03 21:47:01.826847
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17:38 matey; psydruid I don' t get why free software projects use proprietary centralised services either
17:38 matey; i know why
17:38 matey; its because theyre bullshit
17:38 schestowitz-TR; I'm going to do real-time video respons to RMS
17:38 schestowitz-TR; and then upload it
17:38 matey; we care about your freedom
17:39 matey; unless you want to participate in our project
17:39 matey; then you can find us on shithub
17:40 TR News; LibrePlanet 2022 Talk by Rubn Rodrguez Prez, Founder of Trisquel GNU/Linux | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/trisquel-founder-on-lazy-eye/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/trisquel-founder-on-lazy-eye/
17:40 TR Bot; LibrePlanet 2022 Talk by Rubn Rodrguez Prez, Founder of Trisquel GNU/Linux | Techrights
17:41 matey; <schestowitz-TR> I'm going to do real-time video respons to RMS <- be sure to get that recoreded and uploaded before it violates the license theyll put on it :)
17:42 matey; /me is being facetious of course, but only to mock their choice of license, which is utterly bullshit
17:42 matey; rms: fair use
17:43 matey; me: fucking genius, so youre letting it rest on the very thing that was inadequate to the point of uselessness, which cc saved us from-- BUT YOURE USING CC to say "fuck you" to that
17:43 matey; nice!
17:43 XRevan86; https://nitter.eu/novayagazeta_en/status/1514240905234067464
17:43 TR Bot; Novaya Gazeta. Europe (@novayagazeta_en): "Women gathered in front of the Russian embassy in Tallinn to draw attention to the sexual violence of Russian soldiers against Ukrainian women and children. Photo: petri kajander / Twitter" | nitter
17:44 XRevan86; https://nitter.eu/novayagazeta_en/status/1514208410472005632
17:44 TR Bot; Novaya Gazeta. Europe (@novayagazeta_en): "St. Petersburg artist Sasha Skochilenko has been sent to a pre-trial detention facility. Earlier, a local court arrested the activist until May 31 under Russias new fake news law." | nitter
17:44 matey; thats ok, fsf has lost many years worth of sales over this
17:44 matey; and donations
17:45 bnchs; electron is a security nightmare
17:45 XRevan86; https://nitter.eu/novayagazeta_en/status/1514275711799934983
17:45 TR Bot; Novaya Gazeta. Europe (@novayagazeta_en): "A Russian military officer gets a prone to treason, lies and deceit stamp in his service record card for refusing to join the war in Ukraine" | nitter
17:45 bnchs; it's much easier than ever
17:45 bnchs; to inject javascript
17:45 XRevan86; They covered a lot, nice.
17:45 bnchs; and phish logins and everything
17:46 matey; that makes auditing easy
17:46 matey; "you failed"
17:46 matey; "why?"
17:46 matey; "because you use electron, you stupid shit"
17:46 matey; "but our devops people"
17:46 matey; /me batman smacking someone meme
17:47 activelow; "prone to" .. being lied to and deceived; seems a badge of honor
17:47 schestowitz; https://live.fsf.org/rms-livestream-2022.webm
17:47 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://live.fsf.org/rms-livestream-2022.webm )
17:47 schestowitz; it's dead at the momenmt
17:47 matey; sweet
17:47 schestowitz; but it is a placeholder URL that they have just added
17:49 matey; its actually a 404 for me
17:51 matey; <schestowitz> it's dead at the momenmt <- i imagined a live stream of nothing (dead air) but its a BIT early
17:53 matey; /me listens to whiter shade of pale sung to the tune of the muppet show theme
17:58 TR News; Richard Stallmans Talk (Livestream) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/
17:58 TR Bot; Richard Stallmans Talk (Livestream) | Techrights
18:01 schestowitz; https://live.fsf.org/rms-libreplanet-2022.ogg
18:01 schestowitz; audio stream
18:01 schestowitz; works now
18:01 schestowitz; but.. have a listen
18:01 MinceR; (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/Q9xIEdO
18:01 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/Q9xIEdO https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://imgur.com/t/cats/Q9xIEdO
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18:04 TR News; Bezos Post: from Russophobia to Chinap[/o]hobia https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/13/tiktok-russia-censorship-propaganda-tracking-exposed/
18:04 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/13/tiktok-russia-censorship-propaganda-tracking-exposed/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/13/tiktok-russia-censorship-propaganda-tracking-exposed/
18:06 schestowitz-TR; now the video link is live
18:06 schestowitz-TR; and working
18:06 matey; still 4040 here
18:08 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/
18:08 schestowitz; cjchanged url in http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/
18:08 schestowitz; nowq it plays
18:10 matey; libreplanet!
18:10 Techrights-sec; https://live.fsf.org/rms-libreplanet-2022-lowres.webm
18:10 matey; https://live.fsf.org/rms-libreplanet-2022-lowres.webm
18:10 matey; wtf does this have to do with libreplanet
18:10 matey; retcon!
18:10 matey; this is orwellian
18:11 matey; off to a nice start, the url itself is a lie
18:11 matey; whos in charge of this
18:11 matey; theyre bullshit
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18:13 matey; it better be some default, like in a script or something
18:13 matey; hey bnchs__ guess what!
18:13 matey; there are TWO libreplanets this year
18:13 matey; one for normie cunts
18:13 bnchs__; what
18:13 matey; and one for rms only
18:13 bnchs__; wait wtf?
18:13 matey; <Techrights-sec> https://live.fsf.org/rms-libreplanet-2022-lowres.webm
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18:14 bnchs__; so basically
18:14 matey; they were going to do a blacks only libreplanet but then they thought no, that would be incredibly racist
18:14 bnchs__; rms is isolated?
18:14 matey; i mean denies only
18:14 matey; well i dont theyre calling this /rms-libreplanet-2022
18:14 matey; actually the name of the talk is still the state of free software
18:14 matey; only the url says libreplanet-2022
18:14 matey; for some stupid reason
18:15 matey; but kudos to rms for making his own libreplanet
18:15 matey; with blackjack and hookers
18:16 bnchs__; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szPBJVy1G5o
18:16 bnchs__; god damn it bot
18:16 *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights
18:16 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
18:16 bnchs__; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szPBJVy1G5o
18:16 TR Bot; https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=szPBJVy1G5o
18:16 psydruid; this thing is only going live in 45 minutes
18:16 TR Bot; invidio.xamh.de | Grown man Reacts to Kevin the cube skin comes to Fortnite - Invidious
18:16 matey; yes until then its chiptunes
18:16 matey; but this lets me check the filesize
18:17 bnchs__; this is your brain on tim swine-e
18:17 schestowitz-TR; maybe I can show the IRC chat in the video I take
18:17 schestowitz-TR; the question is, whose?
18:17 schestowitz-TR; whose IRC
18:17 schestowitz-TR; libera:fsf
18:17 matey; seems to be about 1mb per minute
18:17 schestowitz-TR; or this?
18:17 schestowitz-TR; if this channel is active
18:18 schestowitz-TR; and people watch and respond
18:18 schestowitz-TR; then we'll have a video or RMS talking
18:18 schestowitz-TR; and you responding to him in IRC
18:18 schestowitz-TR; for the video
18:18 matey; you know it violates the license
18:18 matey; :D
18:18 schestowitz-TR; ND?
18:18 schestowitz-TR; not sure
18:18 schestowitz-TR; because we don't change what he says
18:18 matey; you literally cant even sync to the audio
18:18 matey; read the license
18:19 matey; you cant even sync video to the (unchanged) audio
18:19 matey; hilariously. nd is a fucking farce.
18:19 schestowitz-TR; sounds... odd
18:19 schestowitz-TR; I know ND is weird
18:19 matey; its bizarre
18:19 matey; well, it was a bad choice
18:19 schestowitz-TR; like, what if I repond to something
18:19 matey; and its non-free
18:19 schestowitz-TR; and wish to present the context?
18:19 matey; but rms is ok with that for "works of opinion"
18:19 schestowitz-TR; afaik, that's against fair use
18:20 matey; <schestowitz-TR> like, what if I repond to something <schestowitz-TR> and wish to present the context <- then you have two choices
18:20 schestowitz-TR; we're not bashing him
18:20 matey; 1. use a free license which makes this easy
18:20 schestowitz-TR; so I doubt he would mind tbh
18:20 matey; 2. rely on fair use which wont likely cover the entire work
18:20 schestowitz-TR; if I put the video on this channel
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18:20 schestowitz-TR; just keep language OK
18:20 matey; I doubt he would mind tbh <- oh yeah, then theres "permission" too
18:20 schestowitz-TR; so it doesn't end up like gulagtube "livestream"
18:21 schestowitz-TR; so I won't record everything
18:21 matey; but if you have to get permission then you see what a farce of a license it is
18:21 schestowitz-TR; maybe just the first 30 or 60 mins
18:21 matey; the whole point of cc was to move past permission culture
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18:21 matey; and the point of using nd was an experiment
18:22 schestowitz-TR; it means all we can do is slap the whole work on webspace
18:22 matey; yep
18:22 schestowitz-TR; and that too requires content, afaik
18:22 schestowitz-TR; even with attrib.
18:22 matey; as long as it doesnt sync :)
18:22 schestowitz-TR; I suggest a don' do weird things on stage" licence
18:23 schestowitz-TR; then a resort to nd would not be needed
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18:23 schestowitz-TR; I am going to adjust the fonts in Konversation
18:24 schestowitz-TR; to make it more visible
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18:25 schestowitz-TR; test
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18:29 schestowitz-TR; OK, done a test
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18:29 schestowitz-TR; so I will start recording soon, with IRC showing after some opening words
18:29 *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@3epy783jsvpvq.irc) has joined #techrights
18:29 schestowitz-TR; refrain from "bad language"
18:29 bnchs__; i hope you don't get trolls
18:29 schestowitz-TR; strong opinions OK
18:30 schestowitz-TR; f word etc not helpful
18:30 schestowitz-TR; as it would make techrights seem rude and crude
18:30 bnchs__; but what about the trolls
18:30 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: they don't know we record
18:34 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/oeis
18:34 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - OEIS
18:38 schestowitz-TR; Recording in 13 mins.
18:39 TR News; "TikTok is blocking people in Russia from seeing any posts from outside the country, including from Ukraine." https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
18:39 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
18:39 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now
18:39 TR News; Stop Pegasus: Costa Rica is the first country to call for a moratorium on spyware technology https://www.accessnow.org/costa-rica-first-country-moratorium-spyware/
18:39 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/costa-rica-first-country-moratorium-spyware/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/costa-rica-first-country-moratorium-spyware/
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18:39 TR Bot; Costa Rica: first country to call for a moratorium on spyware technology
18:40 TR News; Privacy and Security Analysis of the IATA Travel Pass Explained - The Citizen Lab https://citizenlab.ca/2022/04/privacy-and-security-analysis-of-the-iata-travel-pass-explained/ Source: citizenlab
18:40 TR Bot; Privacy and Security Analysis of the IATA Travel Pass Explained - The Citizen Lab
18:41 TR News; Privacy and Security Analysis of the IATA Travel Pass Android App - The Citizen Lab https://citizenlab.ca/2022/04/privacy-and-security-analysis-of-the-iata-travel-pass-android-app/ Source: citizenlab
18:41 TR Bot; Privacy and Security Analysis of the IATA Travel Pass Android App - The Citizen Lab
18:41 TR News; Free As In Internet: Free-Net History: The Rise and Fall of Community Dial-Up https://tedium.co/2022/04/13/internet-free-net-history/ Source: tedium
18:41 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2022/04/13/internet-free-net-history/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://tedium.co/2022/04/13/internet-free-net-history/
18:41 TR Bot; Free-Net History: The Rise and Fall of Community Dial-Up
18:42 TR News; "Security updates have been issued by Arch Linux (gzip, python-django, and xz), Debian (chromium, subversion, and zabbix), Red Hat (expat, kernel, and thunderbird), SUSE (go1.16, go1.17, kernel, libexif, libsolv, libzypp, zypper, opensc, subversion, thunderbird, and xz), and Ubuntu (git, linux-bluefield, nginx, and subversion)." https://lwn.net/Articles/891182/
18:42 TR Bot; updates for Wednesday [LWN.net]
18:44 TR News; Lambda, Razer launch laptop for deep-learning app development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163670#comment-33335
18:44 TR Bot; Razer and Lambda Team Up to Unveil a Linux Laptop for Deep Learning | Tux Machines
18:45 TR News; "Have you considered using a YubiKey? In this complete guide, you'll learn everything you need in order to get started with these awesome security keys." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=INi-xKpYjbE
18:45 TR Bot; YubiKey Complete Getting Started Guide! - Invidious
18:45 schestowitz-TR; Recording in 5 mins.
18:46 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show how to install MX Linux 21.1." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zShF_BDRWII
18:46 TR Bot; How to install MX Linux 21.1 - Invidious
18:47 *techrights_guest|57 (~a0b02e43@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
18:47 schestowitz-TR; hi techrights_guest|57
18:47 techrights_guest|57; nah i'm just bnchs
18:48 schestowitz-TR; just checking.
18:48 schestowitz-TR; it would be unpleasant if it became a noiseroom with trolls all of a sudden.
18:48 schestowitz-TR; Recording in a couple of mins.
18:48 bnchs__; i'm pretty sure a live stream with live IRC chat
18:48 bnchs__; operating for 2 hours
18:48 bnchs__; would have that kind of thing
18:49 schestowitz-TR; FSF advertises Libera.Chat
18:49 schestowitz-TR; which is run by some people who called RMS to resign
18:49 MinceR; "come get cancelled with us"
18:49 schestowitz-TR; that sort of channel and network might attract undesirable participants
18:49 schestowitz-TR; RMS told me they did consider self-hosting IRC
18:49 schestowitz-TR; but were already juggling some crises
18:50 schestowitz-TR; and had considered the option
18:50 matey; which is run by some people who called RMS to resign <- since this is lieplanet, maybe he will present them with a free software award
18:50 schestowitz-TR; Freenode was a ticking time bomb at the time
18:50 schestowitz-TR; They hardly got enough time to even inform people that they moved
18:50 schestowitz-TR; IIRC, a message sent on Friday in their site
18:50 schestowitz-TR; and then by Sunday the chaos started
18:51 schestowitz-TR; Then on Monday they issued a more pressing thing to stress they had moved
18:51 matey; Freenode was a ticking time bomb at the time <- the best way to avoid one disaster is to submit to a different one preemptively
18:51 schestowitz-TR; leah was left in charge of their Freenode channels
18:51 matey; freenode is obviously going to suck, lets go to nazichat instead!
18:52 matey; leah was left in charge of their Freenode channels <- thats still better than liebere
18:52 batalie; not really. at least libera.chat channels are stable and not subject to purge anytime rasengan wants to try out new server software
18:52 matey; at least libera.chat channels are stable <- ah technical merit, the rallying cry of open source
18:53 *schestowitz-TR records
18:53 matey; pay no attention to the thought police, they care about your freedom
18:53 batalie; that's my main problem with freenode. you just wouldn't know if your channel would be there tomorrow
18:53 matey; whereas with liebera, you dont know youll be banned in 5 minutes
18:53 matey; but at least the channel will go on!
18:53 batalie; lol whatever man
18:54 batalie; i don't like the mods supporting rms cancellation either but have never had a problem
18:54 batalie; with them personally
18:54 matey; whatever man must be coded language for "im full of fucking shit and wont admit what everyone in this channel already knows"
18:54 batalie; which is what?
18:54 matey; oh boy
18:54 MinceR; "stable", as in enduring netsplits all the time
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18:57 matey; i dont blame rms for any of the bullshit we are about to witness
18:57 *Red (~Red@joseon-vq3.aj5.jaj210.IP) has joined #techrights
18:57 Red; t
18:57 matey; its not really rms
18:57 *Red is now known as Redfoxmoon
18:58 matey; hes a manGNUrian candidate
18:58 batalie; the massachusettsean candidate
18:59 MinceR; as for the "whatabout freenode" thing, there are over 400 irc networks where neither rasengan nor bully deblanc's and neil mcgovern's little band of corporate outragists have any power
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 109.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 361.40
18:59 psydruid; Super RMS
19:00 batalie; i wonder if he's ever considered running for office
19:00 batalie; not the presidency
19:00 batalie; some local thing
19:01 psydruid; it's still the retro music for me
19:02 matey; theyre actually violating the music license
19:02 matey; theyre using by-sa in an nd-licensed work
19:02 matey; its like using gpl in a non-free work
19:02 matey; the cc0 they can use
19:02 matey; but if they have permission they can do what they want
19:03 matey; the irony being that by-sa is SUPPOSED to be a copyleft license that forces anyone using it to make the derivative work (like this talk) use a free license too
19:03 matey; but rms is too clever for that
19:03 matey; (i really hate rms on free culture issues, this isnt a big secret)
19:04 batalie; i hate his obsession with cc-by-nd
19:04 batalie; one of his only wrong points
19:04 matey; yep, its crap
19:05 bnchs__; is it already getting trolled
19:05 matey; back34 by tom peter cc-by-sa
19:06 matey; a license not only inspired by, but compatible with, the gpl (as of version 4.0) and the rms talk is violating it
19:06 matey; which bfd, but its just really great to see
19:07 matey; the cc0 is definitely alright and the cc-by one i think is probably alright
19:07 matey; but last i checked, sa means "sharealike" and thats not whats happening
19:07 psydruid; the stream died
19:07 bnchs__; the stream started
19:08 psydruid; no more music
19:08 psydruid; there it is
19:09 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLqPnO7Cdeg
19:09 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=cLqPnO7Cdeg
19:09 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Russia Holds A Yard Sale To Pay Back Its Debts - Invidious
19:09 matey; i dont have my headphones on yet, is he sheepishly explaining the garish choice of shirt and url for this talk?
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19:10 XRevan86; MinceR: Oh, it's the US references, lame.
19:10 psydruid; it's an RMS impostor
19:10 bnchs__; psydruid, bathroom stall
19:11 psydruid; a spokesbot
19:11 matey; <psydruid> it's an RMS impostor <- hehehe
19:11 XRevan86; MinceR: Such missed opportunities as "Rogozin's Trampoline"
19:11 MinceR; XRevan86: viewers wouldn't have got that, including me
19:12 bnchs__; we're literally watching a tedx event
19:12 bnchs__; ON THE LIVE STREAM
19:12 XRevan86; (it's actually an Elon Musk reference just as well)
19:12 bnchs__; he's playing a video instead
19:12 schestowitz-TR; this s typical
19:12 matey; i sure theyre staying away from any russian references as theyve all been banned by darpa
19:12 schestowitz-TR; a lot of his talks since 2019 play that back
19:12 XRevan86; MinceR: https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/trampoline-space-russian-official-tells-nasa-take-flying-leap-n92616
19:12 TR Bot; Trampoline to Space? Russian Official Tells NASA to Take a Flying Leap
19:13 bnchs__; i'm playing the live stream with MPV
19:13 matey; one small step for man
19:13 matey; one flying leap for mankind
19:13 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: IRC is recoded at the moment
19:13 psydruid; is this trolling?
19:13 matey; no roy says they do this a lot
19:13 schestowitz-TR; better not to shift attention to the war
19:13 MinceR; :)
19:13 matey; (which isnt a no, but im going to believe him for now)
19:13 matey; DONT MENTION THE WAR!
19:13 matey; i mentioned it a couple times but i think i got away with it
19:14 schestowitz-TR; war on general-purpose computing?>
19:14 matey; hello, i want to welcome YOUR WAR YOU WAR YOU-ALLLL
19:14 batalie; i think he makes most people play this talk beforehand so that he doesn't get stupid questions
19:14 MinceR; XRevan86: did no one tell rogozin that there are other space agencies with space launch capability, like the ESA?
19:14 matey; the esa has space capability for now, but not if the epo can do anything about it
19:14 MinceR; :>
19:15 schestowitz-TR; it records RMS talking (TED)
19:15 schestowitz-TR; you can comment on it
19:15 matey; so weve got a prawn cocktail, a hermann goering, for cold meat salads
19:15 schestowitz-TR; I won;t comment on his talking until it's the new (today's, live) talk
19:16 matey; WOULD YOU STOP MENTIONING THE WAR
19:16 matey; what? youre the one who started it!
19:16 matey; no we didnt
19:16 MinceR; what war?
19:16 matey; yes you did, you invaded poland!
19:16 schestowitz-TR; the talk he gave at TED (in the background) is fast-paced
19:16 matey; mincer: its fawlty towers: the germans
19:16 schestowitz-TR; due to time limitations
19:16 schestowitz-TR; when he gives the talk later it'll be slower for sure
19:16 schestowitz-TR; hence easier to respond to
19:17 matey; later, like 16 minutes after the talk starts :)
19:17 matey; 17
19:17 matey; its fine
19:17 matey; i like that the eye of sauron is the nsa
19:17 schestowitz-TR; I think the TED talk is shorter
19:18 schestowitz-TR; amin bendali (bendali?) gave the intro
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19:18 schestowitz-TR; he spoke about gopher, gemini etc. last month
19:18 schestowitz-TR; I did not fully agree with some of what he said
19:18 matey; they have to play the ted talk while they prep rms for the talk with leather belts and electrical shocks
19:18 schestowitz-TR; he's not maintaining the fsd, free software dir
19:18 schestowitz-TR; not free software def.
19:18 matey; also ritual chanting
19:19 schestowitz-TR; mike gerwitz stopped
19:19 schestowitz-TR; I wonder is RMS will wear blue today. He has done this a lot since 2020
19:19 batalie; is there a significance to wearing blue?
19:19 batalie; sorry for ignorance
19:19 schestowitz-TR; maybe that PR consulting firm advised not to use red, who knows...
19:20 schestowitz-TR; batalie: he used to wear lots of red and brown
19:20 matey; the chart at 1:18 explains how theyve violated the license at the beginning of the stream
19:20 batalie; oh right
19:20 schestowitz-TR; "it's a cloooooud" -RMS
19:21 matey; both ted and fsf logos are red so he can just say he matches
19:21 psydruid; stream died?
19:21 psydruid; oh, my internet died
19:21 schestowitz-TR; apple loves roping users
19:21 schestowitz-TR; in these graphics that he has in his slides
19:21 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: it was done without much preparation
19:21 schestowitz-TR; started about 10 mins late
19:21 schestowitz-TR; and amin struggled to start the playback
19:22 schestowitz-TR; they did rehearse, I am sure
19:22 matey; in a dark room, strapped to a board
19:22 schestowitz-TR; they cannot ensure he stays on script
19:22 schestowitz-TR; but he would
19:22 matey; they have ways...
19:22 schestowitz-TR; ime, this is what makes q and a fun
19:22 schestowitz-TR; unplanned things
19:22 schestowitz-TR; but the admins, maye kooyman and others, can cherry-pick irc queries
19:23 bnchs__; matey: you're weird
19:23 schestowitz-TR; and the selection defines what topics he covers
19:23 bnchs__; i mean weirdddd
19:23 schestowitz-TR; plus, the people who signed the anti-rms letter, also weed out who can ask
19:23 matey; yeah if someone goes GLORY TO VLADIMIR PUTIN! they can just go "um, next question?"
19:23 schestowitz-TR; some people are already DENY-listed from Libera.Chat
19:23 schestowitz-TR; oh, it's a broken record
19:23 matey; well hes already got a diagram full of mains
19:24 matey; not mains, whats the thing that mains are attached to
19:24 matey; secondaries!
19:24 schestowitz-TR; now they muted it
19:24 matey; they muted him already
19:24 matey; before hes even live
19:24 matey; hes got a bunch of secondaries in his diagram
19:25 matey; for the full ted talk, goto ted.elonmusk.com
19:25 matey; formerly twitter
19:25 schestowitz-TR; now you can see RMS
19:25 matey; and we are back on
19:27 schestowitz-TR; OK, I now have the sound on and the viceo showing next to IRC
19:28 schestowitz-TR; the new talk will start in a ouple of minutes
19:28 schestowitz-TR; *couple
19:28 schestowitz-TR; IIRC, the TED talk is 14 mins long
19:28 schestowitz-TR; they deem it his best for a general audience
19:29 schestowitz-TR; OK, it is done
19:29 MinceR; rip and tear, until it is done
19:30 psydroid2; he sounds like stephen hawking now
19:31 batalie; lol he really does
19:31 matey; its not sabotage its technical difficulties
19:31 bnchs__; he turned off the webcam
19:31 bnchs__; because choppy audio
19:32 batalie; i couldn't understand a word he was saying before he turned it off
19:32 schestowitz-TR; yes, seems like bandwidth limits
19:32 schestowitz-TR; capacity thresholds
19:33 matey; if the audio feed doesnt work out they can just stream the teleprompter
19:33 batalie; i don't think i've ever heard him talk about retrocomputing before
19:33 matey; retrocomputing is mostly nonfree
19:33 activelow; modern computing is nonfree
19:33 activelow; all of it
19:33 matey; heh
19:34 batalie; i think anyone using an x200 is retrocomputing at this point
19:34 bnchs__; lol
19:34 bnchs__; there's already trolls in #fsf
19:34 schestowitz-TR; as one can expect
19:34 schestowitz-TR; they advertised it
19:34 schestowitz-TR; easlier I shows on audiocast
19:34 schestowitz-TR; that libera was failing
19:34 schestowitz-TR; you could not log in
19:35 schestowitz-TR; and then the whole 'webapp' collapsed
19:35 schestowitz-TR; even refreshing would not fix it
19:35 matey; but its stable
19:37 bnchs__; lol already on 4chan
19:38 bnchs__; there's probably gonna be a stream of trolls
19:38 matey; lots of things are getting worse
19:38 matey; hes going to switch to being technical here
19:38 matey; no politics
19:39 schestowitz-TR; he refrained from saying "Russia"
19:39 schestowitz-TR; or "Ukraine"
19:39 schestowitz-TR; but it's clear what he was alluding to
19:39 schestowitz-TR; and not "ethical" in the abstract
19:40 batalie; yeah i think he made his point well
19:40 matey; like they did to him before the talk
19:40 matey; gnu linux doesnt need floppy support
19:40 MinceR; it doesn't need an SMB server in the kernel either
19:41 matey; true
19:41 MinceR; it also doesn't need a massive NSA backdoor running in pid1 as root
19:42 matey; ubuntu is non-free, tribuntu is free+systemd free/systemd
19:42 bnchs__; "<lp-attendee82751> who here from /g/?"
19:42 bnchs__; lol 4chan already raided
19:42 matey; lp-attendee82751 <- this isnt lp
19:42 bnchs__; yeah
19:45 schestowitz-TR; they used "children" to cancel RMS
19:45 schestowitz-TR; he was alluding to Snap erlier\
19:46 schestowitz-TR; but he rarely names things
19:46 schestowitz-TR; just the concepts
19:46 schestowitz-TR; matey: see file name of webm
19:46 schestowitz-TR; it says libreplanet
19:47 matey; matey: see file name of webm it says libreplanet <- yes i was calling that a farce earlier
19:47 matey; maybe every day is libreplanet!
19:48 schestowitz-TR; it was quaint
19:48 bnchs__; wow
19:48 bnchs__; matey: are you in the liberachat channel
19:48 matey; matey: are you in the liberachat channel <- not if they paid me
19:48 matey; not if it was the last text chat on the internet
19:48 schestowitz-TR; I am showing both in tadem
19:49 schestowitz-TR; tandem
19:49 bnchs__; schestowitz-TR, yeah it's being filled with 4chan trolls
19:49 schestowitz-TR; techrghts and fsf official
19:49 matey; just the fact that im HERE and not there should speak volumes
19:49 schestowitz-TR; it was predictable
19:49 matey; yeah it's being filled with 4chan trolls <- cool that they can remove rms fans and let 4chan take over
19:49 matey; stay classy, liebera
19:49 schestowitz-TR; theycannot advertise only to well-intentioned people
19:49 schestowitz-TR; 3k people still want to cancel him
19:51 matey; 3k people still want to cancel him <- its more than 3k
19:51 matey; some of those are organisations
19:51 *activelow couldn't graps yet why
19:51 activelow; exactly what is rms accused of to justify this?
19:51 schestowitz-TR; matey: so called
19:51 matey; fair enough, but numerically...
19:52 schestowitz-TR; "the liux experiment" is just some bloggeror vloger
19:52 schestowitz-TR; lsted under orgs
19:52 schestowitz-TR; *listed
19:52 matey; hes not an org, hes a dude
19:52 matey; yeah
19:52 matey; pretty sure the eff is an org
19:52 matey; or was
19:52 schestowitz-TR; PAC
19:52 matey; im aware of the linux nazi experiment
19:52 schestowitz-TR; PACohn
19:52 batalie; the linux nazi experiment?
19:52 matey; jono PACohn?
19:53 schestowitz-TR; he is already married to LF
19:53 schestowitz-TR; and also Microsoft
19:53 schestowitz-TR; among his 'clients'
19:54 matey; everyone works for microsoft
19:54 matey; some more than others
19:56 matey; "you dont have to say no every time" this is like like what andy farnells book says
19:56 matey; a lot like
19:56 matey; farnell spoke with rms quite a lot over the past few years
19:56 schestowitz-TR; farnell did the english article
19:56 schestowitz-TR; with the polish student
19:58 schestowitz-TR; #fsf being trolled
19:59 bnchs__; ofc it's being trolled
19:59 bnchs__; i knew this was gonna happen
19:59 schestowitz-TR; different strategies there
19:59 schestowitz-TR; society is like this
20:00 schestowitz-TR; and corporate media eggs them on
20:00 schestowitz-TR; oh dead
20:00 schestowitz-TR; n word everywhere
20:00 matey; big hand to liebera for demonstrating their shameless bias and double standards
20:00 matey; shows what a farce liebera is
20:00 matey; just using the trappings of tolerance to justify censorship of iconoclasts
20:01 schestowitz-TR; the chat there will become about the trolling
20:01 batalie; they were banned
20:01 schestowitz-TR; if they are not careful
20:01 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820745.png
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20:02 leah; matey: i only did that on a whim
20:02 schestowitz-TR; hi leah
20:02 leah; i quickly relinguished my op there
20:02 schestowitz-TR; we are recording
20:02 schestowitz-TR; an show irc
20:02 matey; good to have you here leah
20:02 leah; i was curious to see if it would happen
20:02 schestowitz-TR; this channel and fsf too
20:02 leah; what are you recording
20:03 schestowitz-TR; sound and irc networks
20:03 schestowitz-TR; in tadem
20:03 schestowitz-TR; very improvsed
20:03 schestowitz-TR; tandem
20:03 leah; ok
20:03 leah; i'm going to bed
20:03 schestowitz-TR; i was planning to respond
20:03 leah; was just checking out who pinged me
20:03 schestowitz-TR; but he speaks too fast
20:03 schestowitz-TR; no pauses
20:03 leah; who does?
20:04 leah; oh the rms thing
20:04 schestowitz-TR; i saw you in fs
20:04 leah; schestowitz-TR: do you know if the fsf will have recordings of that
20:04 schestowitz-TR; you said you had not heard of this talk
20:04 leah; i didn't know the talk was happening
20:04 leah; i'm curious to see the whole speech
20:04 schestowitz-TR; leah: i will upload after the talk
20:04 leah; mostly because someone in fsf earlier asked rms about my microcode policy on osboot
20:05 leah; and i wanna see what he said :)
20:05 leah; schestowitz-TR: cheers. ping me when it's uploaded
20:05 matey; im downloading it and i know roy will put it up later
20:05 schestowitz-TR; it will be playable as soon asI stop recording
20:05 leah; then i will go to sleep. ping me when the recording is up
20:06 schestowitz-TR; i won't be processing it
20:07 schestowitz-TR; just uplosf ehrn done
20:07 schestowitz-TR; upload when done
20:07 schestowitz-TR; i type on a distant laptop
20:07 schestowitz-TR; hence tons of typos
20:08 XRevan86; https://youtu.be/g9BOyC37JGU What a nice Italian vlog (English subtitles).
20:08 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=g9BOyC37JGU
20:08 TR Bot; yewtu.be | - Invidious
20:10 matey; how much of what hes saying in this talk isnt covered by the eff?
20:10 matey; reason i ask is something roy said a year ago
20:11 matey; its not because i dont hate the eff
20:11 schestowitz-TR; eff does not cover these issues
20:11 schestowitz-TR; eff is politics
20:11 schestowitz-TR; they pushed out s second cofounder
20:11 matey; oh hes talking about co-pilot
20:11 matey; but he wont say dont use github
20:11 schestowitz-TR; afer barlow had died
20:12 matey; yeah i know the one with the frog domain
20:12 schestowitz-TR; matey: he MinceS words
20:12 matey; oof
20:12 schestowitz-TR; did not say Russia
20:12 schestowitz-TR; or snaps
20:12 schestowitz-TR; he named emacs 9and zoom
20:12 schestowitz-TR; he is using mumble atm
20:13 matey; rr mm ff, ffmmrr of the ff ff ff
20:14 schestowitz-TR; we use mumble too
20:14 schestowitz-TR; it is proper e2ee
20:14 matey; i thought you were joking that he was mumbling about certain things instead of mentining by name
20:14 schestowitz-TR; #fsf has many trolls still
20:14 matey; but i know theres a program called mumble
20:14 schestowitz-TR; many got k-lined
20:14 schestowitz-TR; but s/n ratio still low
20:15 schestowitz-TR; mumble is very good
20:15 schestowitz-TR; we use that for techbytes
20:16 schestowitz-TR; should i also record q and a?
20:16 matey; he just said sometimes its good for the community to use a "weak pushover license"
20:16 matey; this isnt a position i have an issue with, fsf justified such exceptions ages ago
20:16 schestowitz-TR; cc
20:16 batalie; i mean isn't that the lgpl
20:16 SomeH4x0r; they fucking don't even know how IRC works
20:16 batalie; the weak gnu license
20:16 SomeH4x0r; K-line for network wide bans, full root access over all servers
20:16 matey; lgpl is actually weak on one side, copyleft on the other
20:16 matey; its weak for linking only
20:17 SomeH4x0r; they are either stupid or malicious
20:17 matey; and hes saying gcc has a linking exception
20:17 matey; or gnu libc
20:17 activelow; wasn't aware ordinary gpl expicitely forbids linking, which i needed to, to prevent misunderstandings
20:18 activelow; *it
20:18 matey; it only forbids linking non-free
20:18 matey; and there are exceptions to this
20:19 matey; your needs may not even violate this
20:19 batalie; he gave us some soup puns
20:19 activelow; where in the GPL2/3 license clause is linking non-free forbidden?
20:19 matey; oh god
20:19 matey; oh my god!
20:19 schestowitz-TR; I've stopped ecording
20:20 schestowitz-TR; he doesen't even know the incdient
20:20 schestowitz-TR; a
20:20 matey; just in time to miss the puns
20:20 schestowitz-TR; or some context
20:20 schestowitz-TR; the puns were not great
20:20 schestowitz-TR; video ended
20:20 schestowitz-TR; let me test it
20:20 batalie; they were: what human bond is formed over soup? a: broth-erly love and 2: something about a cracker, with the answer being bisque it
20:21 activelow; i mean, i respect if any license forbids linking free software with non-free; yet GPL2 does not forbid it to my knowledge, even if FSF or anyone else argued, the license text does _not_ contain any clause
20:22 matey; the puns were not great <- i liked them
20:22 matey; they were terrible
20:22 schestowitz-TR; toital size 296mb
20:22 schestowitz-TR; uploading
20:24 schestowitz-TR; ok, the text is legible
20:24 schestowitz-TR; also for #fsf
20:24 schestowitz-TR; if you fullscreen it
20:25 schestowitz-TR; 2 more hours for this upload
20:26 activelow; "If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works."
20:27 matey; yet GPL2 does not forbid it to my knowledge <- this is not a gpl 2 vs 3 issue
20:27 matey; its gpl
20:27 matey; it applies to both
20:28 activelow; ^ this is exactly what package managers do, separating various libs and programs from each other, weakining any implicite linking issue with regards to this licenes, the GPL2 (and 3?)
20:28 schestowitz-TR; I could upload it faster with rsync
20:28 schestowitz-TR; but it would choke our network
20:28 schestowitz-TR; I want to post some links in a moment
20:28 matey; no rush
20:28 schestowitz-TR; 120 mins (eta for post with video)
20:28 matey; its a good mediocre predictable talk
20:28 matey; nothing groundbreaking
20:28 batalie; 4chan people spamming swastikas
20:28 schestowitz-TR; the q and a started very poorly
20:29 matey; swastikas are holy symbols co-opted by nazi shits
20:29 schestowitz-TR; people asking about something he knows too little about (the story, not the issue in general)
20:29 bnchs__; yes
20:30 schestowitz-TR; ironically a peace symbol
20:30 bnchs__; they're spreading swastikas like crazy
20:30 schestowitz-TR; nazi germany was fast to invade countries
20:30 schestowitz-TR; came to power 1933
20:30 schestowitz-TR; invading in 1939
20:30 schestowitz-TR; first they were busy with their "make german great again"
20:31 schestowitz-TR; building tanks and blacklisting people
20:31 matey; denylisting
20:32 activelow; soviets built more tanks than germany, many more.
20:32 batalie; /g/ is so annoying
20:33 batalie; trolls like them impair his credibility with normal people
20:34 matey; swastikas really arent different than chakras or yin yangs
20:34 TR News; Almost 70% possession for Man City in this away game https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61086835
20:35 matey; krisha has one with 108 blades that seeks and destroys evil
20:35 TR Bot; Atletico Madrid v Manchester City - BBC Sport
20:35 matey; it would be cool if swastikas turned on nazis and i dont know
20:35 matey; cut them up a bit
20:35 TR News; RMS talk will be online in 2 hours (not livestream)
20:35 matey; but i think its going to be a long wait, generally they just sit there, making people think its a nazi symbol
20:36 activelow; context
20:36 *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed)
20:36 matey; context indeed
20:36 *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights
20:38 activelow; with the "free software" i got here, the livestream is accessible; have to wait, what the fsf represents, what "state of free software" is for them.
20:38 activelow; *is not
20:39 *psydroid2 doesn't see a reason to stop using swastikas
20:40 matey; nah theyre cool
20:40 matey; its about context
20:40 matey; falun gong actually has permission to display them in germany where theyre banned
20:40 matey; their flag has one
20:41 batalie; i think they're rotated a different way when done like that
20:41 batalie; i think it's called a manji
20:41 psydroid2; I think the nazis coopting them should be pointed out instead
20:41 matey; yes
20:42 matey; i think they're rotated a different way when done like that <- "real" historical / ancient swastikas are rotated both ways
20:42 *CrystalMath (~coderain@rb7v7rpzrtmzk.irc) has joined #techrights
20:43 matey; theres even a very old jewish temple with swastikas all over the floor
20:43 matey; in israel i think
20:43 matey; (before 1948)
20:43 psydroid2; if swastikas were outlawed they should probably arrest my entire family
20:43 matey; theyre banned in germany for obvious reasons
20:43 matey; which i think is stupid
20:43 schestowitz-TR; in germany nobody thinks of them mas peace symbols
20:43 matey; the hammer and sickle is illegal to display in moldova i think
20:44 schestowitz-TR; untless they're shrewd trolls
20:45 matey; dont get me wrong, theyre certainly not peace symbols when nazis use them
20:45 matey; though its like if 4chan finds a racist way to use the word "banana"
20:45 matey; so we have to call them something else now?
20:45 matey; thats what i think is silly
20:46 matey; actually banana is a slur for asians
20:46 matey; so there
20:46 matey; if theyre "white on the inside"
20:46 matey; like oreo as a slur for blacks who "act white"
20:46 matey; or coconot for people who are brown... but...
20:48 psydroid2; outlaw bananas
20:48 psydroid2; and coconuts
20:48 matey; theyre symbols of hate
20:49 XRevan86; Or radish for people who are Red (Communist) on the outside but White ("White movement") on the inside :P
20:49 matey; /me tsks a giant statue of buddha with a swastika on his forehead
20:49 matey; "racist!"
20:49 matey; Or radish for people who are Red (Communist) on the outside but White ("White movement") on the inside <- clever
20:50 psydroid2; is he eating on the stream now?
20:51 matey; i hope not
20:51 matey; the jokes will write themselves :/
20:51 matey; in a way im glad he gives zero fucks
20:51 matey; but then again
20:52 matey; /me isnt listening to q&a now, still downloading it
20:53 batalie; he is
20:53 batalie; he says he couldn't resist eating some cashews he has
20:53 matey; rofl
20:53 batalie; kind of annoying
20:53 matey; zero fucks
20:53 psydroid2; he could eat them after the talk
20:53 psydroid2; lol
20:54 psydroid2; I like cashews too, but not when I'm holding a talk
20:56 matey; he could at least eat them away from the mic ffs
20:56 psydroid2; yeah
20:56 matey; this is not as important as other things, but cmon
20:56 TR News; GCompris 2.4 Release: Improved Data Efficiency Conserves Network Bandwidth, Saves Energy Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163685
20:56 TR Bot; GCompris 2.4 Release: Improved Data Efficiency Conserves Network Bandwidth, Saves Energy | Tux Machines
20:56 bnchs__; gnu/linucks
20:56 matey; like hes got two working hands
20:56 bnchs__; i don't get over that
20:56 matey; one can go over the mic just fine
20:56 psydroid2; gnu/cashews
20:57 bnchs__; ganooh/linucks
20:57 bnchs__; i cant get over that
20:57 matey; actually kde 4 was worse about cashews
20:58 XRevan86; In Soviet Russia the KDE cashews were called toilet handles.
20:58 XRevan86; or flush handles more literally
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.78 k/sec., IPFS upstream 35.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 335.81
20:59 matey; i installed the thing to remove it
20:59 matey; then i uninstalled kde
21:00 matey; then i was never able to get it working again
21:00 matey; too complex, nothing like kde 3.5
21:00 matey; which never failed me
21:00 psydroid2; the kde 4 panel would eat itself repeatedly
21:00 TR News; MLOps Pipeline with MLFlow, Seldon Core and Kubeflow | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/mlops-pipeline-with-mlflow-seldon-core-and-kubeflow-pipelines Source: ubuntu
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21:00 TR Bot; Pipeline with MLFlow, Seldon Core and Kubeflow | Ubuntu
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21:00 schestowitz-TR; leah: eta 1.5 hours
21:00 schestowitz-TR; for the video
21:00 psydroid2; it was maddening, because that desktop was used in production
21:01 psydroid2; even late in the kde 4 cycle it would just disappear
21:01 TR News; Amberol is Fab No-Frills Audio Player for GNOME Desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163686
21:01 TR Bot; Amberol is Fab No-Frills Audio Player for GNOME Desktop | Tux Machines
21:01 psydroid2; it never happened to me, but it happened to others
21:01 matey; as long as youre getting pinged: leah i dont think he mentioned osboot
21:02 schestowitz-TR; could make the upload go twice as fast but ruin the connection for the whole house
21:02 matey; yeah its not urgent
21:02 AdmFubar; how wide of a connection do you have?
21:02 matey; if he said something amazing id say fuck your connection
21:02 matey; but thats not going to happen
21:02 TR News; openSUSE Community Publishes Annual Survey Results - openSUSE News https://news.opensuse.org/2022/04/13/os-community-publishes-annual-survey-results/ Source: news
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21:03 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: upstream max 1MBit/sec
21:03 schestowitz-TR; about 120KB
21:03 schestowitz-TR; I use about 40 now
21:03 AdmFubar; ick
21:03 schestowitz-TR; we went through this last year, AdmFubar
21:03 schestowitz-TR; the whole fibre experiment/blunder
21:03 AdmFubar; yeah
21:04 AdmFubar; wasn't sure what you have currently
21:05 matey; you dont need fibre, just shove some leafy greens in the modem
21:06 matey; maybe sprinkle some flax seed on it
21:06 *Skywave has quit (connection closed)
21:06 psydroid2; cashew fibre or fibre cashew?
21:07 TR News; Archcraft 2022.04 Now Available to Download After Major Cleanup of Packages http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163621#comment-33337
21:07 TR Bot; Archcraft April Release Available | Tux Machines
21:07 psydroid2; we have the retromusic again
21:07 TR News; Discover New Things on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Pre-release Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163687
21:07 TR Bot; Discover New Things on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Pre-release | Tux Machines
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21:08 schestowitz; <i smmicrobell running ads https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=noctua-nh-d12l&num=1
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21:08 TR Bot; NH-D12L Dual Tower CPU Cooler - 120mm-Class Cooling For 4U Server Cases Review - Phoronix
21:08 psydroid2; AMD + Noctua?
21:09 schestowitz-TR; = <3
21:09 matey; maybe he can run them in liebera
21:09 TR News; RebornOS Brings Choice and Simplicity to Arch Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163688
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21:09 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xHEU4EI4toY
21:09 TR Bot; Ciara - Goodies (CASHEW Remix) - Invidious
21:11 TR News; Bash If-Else statements with examples | FOSS Linux https://www.fosslinux.com/58258/bash-if-else-statements-with-examples.htm Source: fosslinux
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21:11 TR Bot; Bash If-Else statements with examples | FOSS Linux
21:12 TR News; Linux Kernel 5.16 Reaches End of Life, Users Urged to Upgrade to Linux Kernel 5.17 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163689
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21:13 matey; and the stream is closed
21:14 matey; or at least stopped downloading
21:14 matey; live.fsf.org page strongly suggests stream is closed
21:16 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163690
21:16 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:19 matey; so that was libreplanet!
21:19 matey; i was expecting more people to talk besides rms
21:20 activelow; i'm curious what he said about retrocomputing
21:20 bnchs__; my questions did get featured
21:20 matey; /me does not understand this alternate reality version of the fsf
21:20 schestowitz-TR; activelow: he did!
21:20 schestowitz-TR; he mentioned the role of hardware
21:20 matey; i'm curious what he said about retrocomputing <- he really didnt but to mention
21:20 schestowitz-TR; and how important that is
21:20 schestowitz-TR; that's what you often talk about
21:21 matey; he mentioned the role of hardware <- i will watch it again
21:21 matey; listen
21:21 matey; i was mostly paying attention to new moments, not the whole thing in real time
21:21 TR News; SUSE boosting clown and SAP proprietary software https://www.suse.com/c/roadmap-to-the-cloud-join-suse-at-sap-sapphire-the-hague/
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21:21 matey; i have it downloaded
21:21 TR Bot; Sapphire The hague
21:21 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163691
21:21 matey; i can pay proper attention to it now
21:21 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
21:21 matey; but i wnted to be sure i noticed if he said anything that was a big deal
21:22 matey; that law he mentioned is bad
21:22 matey; proposed law
21:22 schestowitz-TR; cancel rms, cos "the children"
21:22 schestowitz-TR; and the "coc"
21:22 schestowitz-TR; and epstein
21:22 schestowitz-TR; and coc something
21:23 bnchs__; rms seemed nice
21:23 bnchs__; also chewing on cashews
21:23 schestowitz-TR; "Can you trust a man with a beard so long !!'
21:23 matey; hes a lovely person
21:23 bnchs__; but i had to listen to the audio-only strea
21:23 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163692
21:23 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:24 bnchs__; because bandwidth issues
21:24 matey; you didnt miss much
21:24 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: there was no video
21:24 matey; the stream itself was mostly audio after he cut the feed
21:24 schestowitz-TR; only at the start
21:24 schestowitz-TR; and he could not be heard well when the video was on
21:25 schestowitz-TR; at one point I had rms video and irc in the same picture
21:25 schestowitz-TR; when it was audio only I turned that off
21:25 bnchs__; schestowitz-TR, it was good you disabled irc
21:26 bnchs__; unless you like big walls of "nigger"
21:26 bnchs__; and swastika
21:26 TR News; Rubn is founder of the Trisquel GNU/Linux distribution project and other nonprofits. He has contributes to freedom and privacy oriented Web tools, such as GNU IceCat, GNU LibreJS and JShelter. http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/trisquel-founder-on-lazy-eye/
21:26 TR Bot; LibrePlanet 2022 Talk by Rubn Rodrguez Prez, Founder of Trisquel GNU/Linux | Techrights
21:26 TR News; Richard Stallman will be speaking about the free software movement and your freedom. His speech will be nontechnical, admission is gratis, and the public is encouraged to attend online. http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/
21:26 TR Bot; Richard Stallmans Talk (Livestream) | Techrights
21:26 matey; funny how no one did that here
21:26 matey; i mean, libera is censored
21:26 matey; this place isnt
21:26 matey; libera gets loads of racist spam
21:26 matey; this place didnt
21:27 schestowitz-TR; as you point out
21:27 schestowitz-TR; we have no bans
21:27 schestowitz-TR; no mutes
21:28 schestowitz-TR; and had no issues like there
21:28 matey; we could have at least had dfc show up to complain about minorities in chicago
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21:28 schestowitz-TR; at one point they k-filed a dozen users all at once
21:28 matey; haha
21:28 schestowitz-TR; but they were TARGETED
21:28 bnchs__; yeah
21:28 schestowitz-TR; so not a fair comparison
21:28 matey; no its not a fair comparison
21:28 matey; its a funny one
21:28 matey; <matey> funny how no one did that here
21:28 schestowitz-TR; my upload is halfway there now
21:28 matey; a fair one would make the points you just did
21:29 bnchs__; their ban record is probably off the charts
21:29 bnchs__; from that 4chan raid
21:29 schestowitz-TR; it's accessible, but I don't want to advertise the URL until it's finished
21:30 bnchs__; https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/86490278
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21:30 TR Bot; /g/ - Richard Stallman is going to give a talk about cur - Technology - 4chan
21:30 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rvu55DPWkU
21:30 TR Bot; https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=-rvu55DPWkU
21:30 bnchs__; source of all the problems
21:30 TR Bot; invidious.mutahar.rocks | Why Chrysler Makes the Worst Cars in America - Invidious
21:30 TR News; Razer just launched a gorgeous new Linux laptop - but it's probably not for you http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163670#comment-33336
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21:31 *gde33 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights
21:34 matey; i just realised rms has a short beard now
21:34 matey; im so used to a long beard i didnt even notice
21:35 matey; hes literally not a neckbeard.
21:38 matey; whats next, short hair?
21:38 matey; the beard is totally papa smurf
21:38 matey; i mean papa smurfs okay
21:39 matey; im sure people will prefer this
21:40 matey; <schestowitz-TR> "Can you trust a man with a beard so long !!' <- moot now
21:40 schestowitz-TR; maybe he'll shave it, hoping people will the leave it along
21:40 schestowitz-TR; *alone
21:40 schestowitz-TR; like the "professionalism" myth
21:40 schestowitz-TR; "maybe if I play along..."
21:40 schestowitz-TR; don't.
21:41 schestowitz-TR; they don't dislike you for the bear.
21:41 schestowitz-TR; or the toe.
21:41 schestowitz-TR; the ideas is what they hate
21:41 schestowitz-TR; they look for vices.
21:41 schestowitz-TR; "dude, are you just jealous?"
21:42 schestowitz-TR; "hey, are you making fun of the company for being run by an indian?"
21:42 schestowitz-TR; "hey, are you making fun of the company for being run by a short/obese person?"
21:42 schestowitz-TR; some people say Microsoft is loathed for being big
21:42 schestowitz-TR; not for being corrupt
21:49 TR News; Links 13/04/2022: TurnKey Linux 17.0 and High-End GNU/Linux Laptops | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/turnkey-linux/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/turnkey-linux/
21:49 TR Bot; Links 13/04/2022: TurnKey Linux 17.0 and High-End GNU/Linux Laptops | Techrights
21:49 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163693
21:49 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:50 TR News; Arduino News Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163694
21:50 TR Bot; Arduino News | Tux Machines
21:50 TR News; The openSUSE Annual Survey and SLE* Plans Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163695
21:50 TR Bot; The openSUSE Annual Survey and SLE* Plans | Tux Machines
21:50 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163696
21:50 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
21:53 matey; <schestowitz-TR> the ideas is what they hate
21:53 matey; yep
21:56 MinceR; (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/gpxcq1t.mp4
21:56 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/gpxcq1t.mp4 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://i.imgur.com/gpxcq1t.mp4
21:57 matey; what he actually said about retrocomputing was
21:57 matey; you could have as much fun doing something for free software and it would be more useful than doing retrocomputing
21:59 matey; "you can have as much fun developing a free program that will do a job theres no free software for, as you could have by doing retrocomputer, and it will be a lot more useful"
21:59 matey; s/retrocomputer/retrocomputing
22:04 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSwA-6CWY6U
22:04 TR Bot; https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=zSwA-6CWY6U
22:04 TR Bot; vid.puffyan.us | Here's Why Kias are Crap - Invidious
22:06 matey; he mentions lack of 32bit support as a problem
22:07 matey; particularly with ubuntu, which of course is what the trisquel poseurs rely on for a base
22:07 matey; maybe trisquel will go 64-bit only, lovely
22:08 matey; when i was using gnu/linux, i tended to ignore distros that didnt support 32 bit (which also runs nicely on 64bit machines without using as much ram)
22:08 matey; maybe trisquel will go 64-bit only, lovely <- its possible they will find a way around this
22:09 activelow; if rms did say this, then i sign the anti-rms letter
22:09 activelow; "you can have as much fun developing a free program that will do a job theres no free software for, as you could have by doing retrocomputer, and it will be a lot more useful"
22:09 matey; if you sign the rms letter it will hurt your credibility. the letter is mostly lies.
22:10 matey; if you hate something rms said, its better to just say what you hate about him
22:10 matey; i hate his obsession with by-nd
22:10 activelow; or better to say, i'll write an own letter, with reasons then, why such "opinion" is brainf**king developers
22:10 MinceR; it's funny because if we get a fully free computer, it will likely have similarities to retrocomputing
22:11 activelow; the retrocomputing is the starting point, to get rid off the distraction and misnomer of what's sold as "free software"
22:11 matey; yeah if we had more people doing retrocomputing, more people would probably care about supporting older hardware
22:12 matey; then he goes and complains that people arent supporting older hardware
22:12 matey; HELLO!
22:12 matey; its like he thinks human nature has an optimised compiler or something.
22:12 matey; and people can just do every little thing right without the stupid reasons they usually do the right thing
22:13 matey; when people do the right thing they often have a stupid reason for it
22:13 matey; and hes like first, get rid of every stupid reason
22:13 matey; and then do the best thing without the reason you would have done it anyway!
22:13 activelow; can't wait to listen to it myself, to avoid any misunderstanding
22:13 schestowitz-TR; heh. rms isn't into retro, so I'll sign some microsoft shitpost about rms being transphobic
22:13 matey; dont waste your time with retrocomputing, we need support for old mach...
22:14 MinceR; don't waste your time with retrocomputing, instead you should focus on retrocomputing
22:14 matey; dont waste your time with free culture, make sure youre game assets have free licenses.
22:15 matey; and make sure that your works of opinion are locked down tight with nd, but NOT drm
22:15 matey; because drm is bad but shitty licenses help people not twist your words into smear campaigns.
22:16 TR News; "Skyjake has written about TUI Lagrange. So we will have: iOS, Android, Windows, MacOS, Linux (GUI) and Linux (TUI) versions." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi
22:16 matey; sorry folks, this email is all rights reserved, i guess you cant take it out of... oh
22:16 matey; (most emails are all rights reserved, even on public mailing lists)
22:16 matey; when he pushes nd hes pushing mythology
22:17 SomeH4x0r; do I need to add "this mail is public domain" into my signature?
22:17 TR News; This time for real getting started with using that Palm IIIxe gemini://g.mikf.pl/gemlog/2022-04-13-palm.gmi
22:17 matey; do I need to add "this mail is public domain" into my signature? <- only if you want it to be public domain
22:17 matey; by default its under copyright
22:17 TR News; antenna treats relative feed urls as absolute, at least when given a dir wo slash gemini://g.mikf.pl/gemlog/2022-04-13-antenna.gmi
22:18 SomeH4x0r; I will die at some point, maybe soon, anyway. It would be good if someone reimplements my identity in a bot using whatever means, if they care of course.
22:18 matey; nd really never stops abuse at all. like drm, it really only hinders honest reuse.
22:18 TR News; I do not know what to think of GitLab gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/04/13/what-to-think-of-gitlab/ upselling.
22:18 activelow; nd meaning what?
22:18 matey; cc licenses that have the no-derivs (nd) clause
22:19 matey; cc by-nd, cc by-nc-nd
22:19 matey; there is no nd-sa because nd doesnt allow relicensing so that would be redundant
22:19 matey; if you think cc has too many licenses, they used to have more
22:19 matey; and they deprecated some for being useless
22:20 matey; mike linksvayer (then vp, now github) proposed deprecating both nc and nc licenses, so cc would become a free culture org
22:20 matey; of course that failed. fucking shame. fuck cc too.
22:20 SomeH4x0r; copyright is evil and I don't want to be involved in it
22:20 matey; i still use cc0, cc-by and cc-by-sa, all of which are free licenses
22:21 SomeH4x0r; I want my stuff to be distributed freely without stupid laws
22:21 matey; the talk today included a cc by-sa work in a talk licensed by-nd, which is a license violation (of a copyleft license)
22:21 schestowitz-TR; haha
22:21 matey; the talk violated a gpl-compatible, copyleft license.
22:21 schestowitz-TR; ted non-derivs
22:21 SomeH4x0r; I don't take legal actions anyway
22:22 matey; I want my stuff to be distributed freely without stupid laws <- your best options are cc0 or 0-clause bsd
22:22 SomeH4x0r; and I would be annoyed if someone goes to jail because of some random code with wrong LICENSE file
22:22 schestowitz-TR; I'll have the talk ready in 30 mins
22:22 schestowitz-TR; leah asked foe eta
22:22 SomeH4x0r; what about WTFPL?
22:22 SomeH4x0r; it lacks public domain attempt though
22:22 matey; wtfpl is a really stupid propaganda license
22:22 SomeH4x0r; meaning de jure still copyrighted afaik
22:23 matey; which is nontheless gpl compatible
22:23 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163697
22:23 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
22:23 matey; if you want it to be public domain your best bet is cc0
22:23 matey; by default it puts everything in the public domain
22:24 matey; in finland thats not possible, so it gives the equivalent of public domain
22:24 TR News; The Encyclopedia of Light The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/the-encyclopedia-of-light/ Source: publicdomainreview
22:24 TR Bot; The Encyclopedia of Light The Public Domain Review
22:25 SomeH4x0r; anyway, recently I was sending emails across three email addresses in hope of connecting the people together for working on similar stuff
22:25 SomeH4x0r; and also to unrelated people for data backups
22:26 matey; SomeH4x0r you can probably just put this in your sig:
22:26 matey; License: http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
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22:26 TR Bot; Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal
22:26 matey; that should do it
22:27 matey; its an actual public domain waiver
22:27 matey; so unless they make it illegal to waive copyright, youre making it public domain-- no restrictions of any sort
22:27 SomeH4x0r; I don't think these links are good idea. One day CC dies and the domain name gets acquired by unknown entity.
22:28 matey; the actual license text is better
22:28 matey; and much longer
22:28 matey; you could also use the public domain dedication wikipedia has used before
22:28 matey; its 2 or 3 lines of text and similar in effect to cc0, if less robust
22:29 SomeH4x0r; do the cybersquatters get legal power over the licenses if they get the domain name?
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22:30 SomeH4x0r; I also dislike "or any later version" in GPL, because FSF is under attack for a long time.
22:30 matey; https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Donate_to_the_public_domain
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22:30 TR Bot; Commons:Donate to the public domain - Wikimedia Commons
22:31 matey; "I, the copyright holder of this work, release this work into the public domain. This applies worldwide. In some countries this may not be legally possible; if so: I grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law."
22:31 SomeH4x0r; what if M$ takes over M$ and issues GPLv4 allowing abuse?
22:31 matey; as an alternative to the cc0 link, you could use that text instead.
22:31 matey; what if M$ takes over M$ and issues GPLv4 allowing abuse? <- i still consider this a remote, if increasingly valid concern.
22:31 matey; but it is increasingly valid
22:31 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft is not gettingf stronger
22:32 schestowitz-TR; it only pretends
22:32 SomeH4x0r; whoever else
22:32 schestowitz-TR; but Microsoft isn't the only GPL hater, either
22:32 schestowitz-TR; so GPL can come under attacks by others
22:32 schestowitz-TR; EUPL
22:33 TR News; "Registration (in-person) is offered at the early price of $850 through April" to watch a webstream??? https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-linux-foundation-announces-1st-round-of-keynote-speakers-for-open-source-summit-north-america-2022-301525158.html
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22:33 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation Announces 1st Round of Keynote Speakers for Open Source Summit North America 2022
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22:34 TR News; Upcoming FSF Workshops Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163698
22:34 TR Bot; Upcoming FSF Workshops | Tux Machines
22:39 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzGQfFgtXk
22:39 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=pjzGQfFgtXk
22:39 TR Bot; inv.bp.mutahar.rocks | Spanish Radio | Gabriel Iglesias - Invidious
22:42 matey; he makes it very clear in this talk that a travel agent (who already uses non-free software) using free software for you is NOT the same as using non-free software yourself
22:43 matey; its better to have fewer people using non-free software, even if theyre using it for more people
22:43 matey; or in terms that are easier to not scratch your head at
22:43 XRevan86; MinceR: He's good at doing voices.
22:43 matey; its better to have 100 iphones in operation than 1000 iphones in operation
22:44 matey; but he makes very clear this is his position
22:44 XRevan86; MinceR: He said he didn't vote in president elections. Why the heck not?
22:44 matey; so if there are 10 people sharing one iphone thats better than 10 people with an iphone apiece
22:44 XRevan86; Heck, even I did every time I could, and that shit was doomed from the start.
22:45 matey; /me can impersonate stallman while talking and singing
22:45 MinceR; \_()_/
22:45 matey; JOIN US NOW AND STEAL THE SOFTWARE
22:45 TR News; 651 COVID-19 Deaths Reported in the UK Today (63.4% Increase This Past Week Alone) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/13/covid19-death-toll/
22:45 TR Bot; Blog Archive 651 COVID-19 Deaths Reported in the UK Today (63.4% Increase This Past Week Alone)
22:45 matey; /me has sung the free software song outside the fsf office
22:46 matey; (they were closed that day)
22:46 MinceR; well, if people avoid using the proprietary travel agent software, that might send the message that that software is undesirable to use :>
22:46 matey; (it was the only day i could go, so i thought what the hell, maybe someone will be there anyway)
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22:46 matey; if people avoid using the proprietary travel agent software, that might send the message <- yeah
22:46 matey; its still better to not use it at all
22:47 schestowitz-TR; eta 11 mins
22:47 bnchs__; in his talk?
22:47 bnchs__; in this talk*
22:47 schestowitz-TR; i upload it
22:47 schestowitz-TR; with our commentary etc.
22:47 bnchs__; chat history too?
22:48 schestowitz-TR; yes, it is shown
22:48 matey; rms says that freeing society is the bigger goal
22:48 bnchs__; yes
22:48 matey; and freeing yourself is something you can work on doing right now
22:48 bnchs__; even with the swastikas
22:48 bnchs__; and "nigger" walls
22:48 matey; so until the travel agents use free software
22:48 bnchs__; leave them in
22:48 matey; its better to have the travel agent use non-free software while you refuse to use it yourself
22:49 matey; and when you do that, thats one more person using less free software
22:51 matey; he clarifies that if your friend is trying to quit using non-free software, theyre not the ones you should ask to do it for you (this is obvious, but at least its clear)
22:51 matey; its funny how similar this is to the idea of a shabbas goy.
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22:52 schestowitz-TR; haha, true
22:52 matey; in orthodox judaism you cant operate light switches because it violate the prohibition of making fire on shabbas
22:52 schestowitz-TR; didn't see the irony
22:52 matey; but you can have any member of the goyim do it for you! because theyre not prohibited
22:52 schestowitz-TR; "using proprietary stuff us unethical"
22:52 schestowitz-TR; "so please do this for me"
22:52 schestowitz-TR; *is
22:53 schestowitz-TR; 5 mins
22:55 MinceR; :>
22:56 matey; "using proprietary stuff us unethical" <- its important to note that he doesnt say using non-free software is unethical
22:56 matey; WRITING and PUBLISHING non-free software is unethical
22:57 schestowitz-TR; ah, fair point
22:57 matey; using non-free software mainly hurts the person doing it
22:57 matey; hurting yourself isnt as much of an ethical issue, though its not recommended
22:57 matey; so if someone is already doing that to themselves, asking them to do it for you isnt necessarily any worse
22:58 matey; like the travel agent hasnt made any committment to get away from non-free software, so they can be the software goy
22:58 schestowitz-TR; 20 secs
22:58 schestowitz-TR; the tidying up a bit
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 53.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 353.10
23:03 TR News; Video of Richard Stallmans Belated LibrePlanet 2022 Talk (With Commentary) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-libreplanet-2022-and-irc/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-libreplanet-2022-and-irc/
23:03 TR Bot; Video of Richard Stallmans Belated LibrePlanet 2022 Talk (With Commentary) | Techrights
23:03 schestowitz-TR; leah: ^
23:06 matey; when its it possible to convert a cracker into a soup
23:06 matey; when its a bisque kit :P
23:07 matey; can you comment on the node ipc thing
23:07 matey; he isnt familiar
23:08 matey; im not familiar either unless theyre talking about the "protestware" thing that attacked users
23:08 schestowitz-TR; then he rightly explains he's rather not comment
23:08 matey; yes
23:08 schestowitz-TR; *he'd
23:09 schestowitz-TR; too busy reading bill's guardian
23:09 schestowitz-TR; and theor vaccine macrketing
23:09 matey; unfortunately he thinks its a category of issue, rather than a single event
23:09 matey; so his suggestion is technically useless
23:10 mimorek; what happened to the colour in the videos?
23:10 matey; the colour?
23:11 mimorek; yes on techrights.org/videos
23:11 mimorek; The latest posts are in gray
23:11 matey; minute later he comments on the node ipc attack
23:12 matey; <mimorek> The latest posts are in gray <- ah, thanks
23:12 matey; "i think that was really nasty" is his take on node ipc attack
23:12 mimorek; http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-libreplanet-2022-and-irc/ <- This one too
23:12 matey; im inclined to agree
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23:13 matey; "its not as if this was being done to a war criminal, you know. it could be anybody in russia!"
23:13 matey; "it could be anybody in belarus"
23:13 matey; "so that was not a good thing to do "
23:14 DaemonFC; MinceR, I grabbed the last three cans of Gumout Multi-System from Walmart's site. For some reason you just can't find it now.
23:15 DaemonFC; I'm going to run a can in each tank for the next three tanks and see if that can clean up some of the crud in the engine from when that lady had the car sitting so I don't need a high pressure fuel system cleaner that the car runs on.
23:15 DaemonFC; Too much work or money.
23:15 DaemonFC; I just put new iridium plugs and new spark plug wires on it.
23:15 DaemonFC; That woke it up.
23:16 DaemonFC; That alternator looks like, almost brand new.
23:16 DaemonFC; I'm wondering if the original failed and someone's already replaced it.
23:16 DaemonFC; It's a Delco alternator but it looks new.
23:17 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I figured out what's causing the electrical glitch in the Impala. It's a corroded fuse box. The part's like $500.
23:17 DaemonFC; But the starter motor is growling sometimes. So it's going to need a rebuilt starter motor shortly.
23:18 matey; using non-free software isnt unethical, but many users pressuring each other to use non-free software isnt something you should do
23:18 matey; ^ from the q&a
23:18 matey; regarding games that people play online
23:18 DaemonFC; <matey> using non-free software isnt unethical, but many users pressuring each other to use non-free software isnt something you should do
23:19 matey; daemonfc: im relaying things from the rms talk
23:19 DaemonFC; Using non-free software _is_ unethical if it produces data output that can only be used with non-free software.
23:19 matey; Using non-free software _is_ unethical if it produces data output that can only be used with non-free software. <- interesting
23:19 DaemonFC; Because that puts the non-free software at an advantage, being that you need the software to read the data again.
23:19 matey; whats an example of data that can only be used with non-free software?
23:19 matey; sure
23:20 DaemonFC; Correctly? For sure? Microsoft Office formats.
23:20 matey; hmm
23:20 DaemonFC; The only decent quality AAC coder is Apple's and proliferating the format will pressure people to use the best encoder for their own files, and install iTunes.
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23:21 DaemonFC; RAR files aren't documented and The Unarchiver is no longer Free software.
23:21 matey; yeah ive hated rar forever
23:21 matey; the main feature seems to be incompatibility
23:21 matey; there might be some gains in compression that probably arent even relevant anymore
23:21 DaemonFC; Various media codecs have Free software implementations, but further pressure users into paying for patent licenses and product that use those patents.
23:23 matey; a pushover license doesnt do harm, it just fails to to do good
23:23 matey; ^ q&a
23:24 matey; s/to to/to
23:24 bnchs__; unrar is non-free
23:27 TR News; Atletico Brutes. Out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yPPBPzMl4s
23:27 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=8yPPBPzMl4s
23:27 TR Bot; ( status 500 @ https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=8yPPBPzMl4s )
23:27 schestowitz-TR; gulagtube drm?
23:28 schestowitz-TR; "The uploader has not made this video available in your country"
23:28 schestowitz-TR; LOL
23:28 DaemonFC; https://www.facebook.com/reel/5144988592219423/?s=ifu
23:28 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://m.facebook.com/reel/5144988592219423/?s=ifu&_rdr )
23:28 schestowitz-TR; 'corporate 4chan' UIRL
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23:29 TR News; xkcd: Weird Unicode Math Symbols https://xkcd.com/2606/ Source: xkcd
23:29 TR Bot; Weird Unicode Math Symbols
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23:29 TR News; Means of more surveillance https://www.maketecheasier.com/imei-number/
23:30 TR Bot; Everything You Should Know About Your IMEI Number - Make Tech Easier
23:30 TR News; Emacs Has Builtin Chat :) Those Other IDEs Dont :( - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UCIp2mY5Qyk Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
23:30 TR Bot; Emacs Has Builtin Chat :) Those Other IDEs Don't :( - Invidious
23:30 matey; "The uploader has not made this video available in your country <- the first time i saw this i deleted my account
23:30 MinceR; s/IDEs/OS-es/
23:31 MinceR; FTFY
23:31 TR News; Shill? Valve-paid? A dock, a charging cradle, and more! 3D printing your Steam Deck accessories! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6surEoZ6lY0 Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
23:31 TR Bot; A dock, a charging cradle, and more! 3D printing your Steam Deck accessories! - Invidious
23:31 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: stop being from this country!!!
23:31 schestowitz-TR; (geoblocking)
23:32 schestowitz-TR; all about business model of discrimination
23:32 matey; just another thing to hate about hungary
23:32 matey; "it cant view this video i want to see either"
23:32 schestowitz-TR; or-BANNED
23:33 matey; The uploader has not made this video available unless you shell out additional money for a VPN.
23:33 TR News; Lumencraft blends top-down shooting, Tower Defense and a destructible environment | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/lumencraft-blends-top-down-shooting-tower-defense-and-a-destructible-environment/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
23:33 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/lumencraft-blends-top-down-shooting-tower-defense-and-a-destructible-environment/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/lumencraft-blends-top-down-shooting-tower-defense-and-a-destructible-environment/
23:33 TR Bot; blends top-down shooting, Tower Defense and a destructible environment | GamingOnLinux
23:34 TR News; "No Man's Sky, a Steam Deck Verified title that also works great on Linux desktops with Steam Play Proton recently got another massive free update." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/no-mans-sky-got-a-huge-outlaws-update-and-works-well-on-steam-deck/
23:34 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/no-mans-sky-got-a-huge-outlaws-update-and-works-well-on-steam-deck/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/no-mans-sky-got-a-huge-outlaws-update-and-works-well-on-steam-deck/
23:34 TR Bot; Man's Sky got a huge 'Outlaws' update and works well on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
23:34 TR News; Gulag free-riding the devs https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/google-detail-more-on-how-steam-on-chrome-os-works-with-linux/ gulag for profit.
23:34 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/google-detail-more-on-how-steam-on-chrome-os-works-with-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/google-detail-more-on-how-steam-on-chrome-os-works-with-linux/
23:34 TR Bot; detail more on how Steam on Chrome OS works with Linux | GamingOnLinux
23:36 TR News; "Welcome to another Godot showcase interview! This time, we interviewed Leszek Nowak from 2DynamicGames about their latest release Lumencraft." https://godotengine.org/article/godot-showcase-2dynamic-games-lumencraft
23:36 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/godot-showcase-2dynamic-games-lumencraft https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://godotengine.org/article/godot-showcase-2dynamic-games-lumencraft
23:36 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Godot Showcase - Lumencraft developer talks about his experience
23:37 TR News; A couple of hours ago the talk/speech of Richard Stallman had ended (the Q&A sessions as well) and we uploaded a video that contains the whole talk (sans the Q&A) with IRC commentary http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-libreplanet-2022-and-irc/
23:37 TR Bot; Video of Richard Stallmans Belated LibrePlanet 2022 Talk (With Commentary) | Techrights
23:41 matey; stallman has written a manual for gnu c
23:41 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/13/cute-spiders/
23:41 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/13/cute-spiders/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/13/cute-spiders/
23:41 TR Bot; 35 Cute Spiders That Even An Arachnophobe Would Like
23:45 matey; businesses will direct you towards wasteful consumption
23:45 matey; and if they have less control over you, then you can stay away
23:45 matey; ^ from the q&a
23:45 matey; also true if you make gnu less bloated
23:46 matey; then you can compile it faster (and run it more nicely) on older machines, instead of just getting the latest one
23:47 matey; he claims trisquel is derived directly from debian, but i dont think thats true
23:47 matey; its derived from ubuntu, not debian
23:48 matey; and if its derived from debian directly, it doesnt include sysvinit as an option (but i think debian does)
23:48 matey; when trisquel was (is) ubuntu-based, you could replace systemd with upstart
23:48 matey; ubuntu no longer has upstart, nor does trisquel
23:49 matey; maybe trisquel is moving to debian because of snap or something, but i havent heard about this (and i doubt it)
23:49 matey; oh i misheard
23:49 matey; he didnt say "derived directly"
23:49 matey; he said "derived INdirectly"
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23:58 matey; so the lieplanet safe space policy jurisdiction applies to ALL PUBLIC fsf events
23:58 matey; not just lieplanet
23:58 matey; which includes this streaming talk rms does
23:59 matey; so i suppose the kind guidelines are for internal/mailing list use only
23:59 bnchs__; lol
23:59 bnchs__; safe space policy
23:59 bnchs__; didn't prevent the 4chan trolls
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