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00:06 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/XwCthF8.mp4
00:06 Alternative link; CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/XwCthF8.mp4 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://i.imgur.com/XwCthF8.mp4
00:17 schestowitz; psydruid: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Ampere-Firmware-Blobs
00:17 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Ampere-Firmware-Blobs https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Ampere-Firmware-Blobs
00:17 TR Bot; Publishes Signed Ampere Firmware To Finally Allow Accelerated Open-Source Support - Phoronix
00:17 schestowitz; some kits, there you go
00:17 schestowitz; but "only" a handful
00:18 schestowitz; Than "AMD content" https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Ampere-Firmware-Blobs
00:18 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Ampere-Firmware-Blobs https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Ampere-Firmware-Blobs
00:19 psydruid; IBM/Red Hat <3 Nvidia
00:19 TR News; 04/11: release of RebornOS 2022.04.10 https://rebornos.org/
00:19 Alternative link; CloudFlare: rebornos.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://rebornos.org/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://rebornos.org/
00:19 TR Bot; Homepage rebornos - RebornOS
00:20 TR News; This ladder must be fake and sold considering how many workers, including managers, are fleeing Red Hat https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-named-fortunes-100-best-companies-work-list-fourth-year-row
↺ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-named-fortunes-100-best-companies-work-list-fourth-year-row
00:20 TR Bot; Red Hat named to Fortunes 100 Best Companies to Work For list for the fourth year in a row
00:21 TR News; "Linux-based portable gaming PC has a few creative tricks up its sleeve" https://www.musicradar.com/news/valve-steam-deck-bitwig-studio-daw-vcv-rack-plugin
00:21 TR Bot; Steam Deck can run Bitwigs DAW and the VCV Rack 2 Pro synth as a plugin: a gaming handheld that music producers should be interested in, too? | MusicRadar
00:22 TR News; "This may give the impression that Firefox would feel absolutely at home on the GNU/Linux desktop." https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-make-firefox-feel-native-on-linux/
00:22 TR Bot; How to Make Firefox Feel Native on Linux Desktops
00:23 TR News; "If you're looking for a way to better organize your Firefox bookmarks, the built-in tagging system might be a big help. Learn how to take advantage of this feature." https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-firefox-tagging/
00:23 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-firefox-tagging/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-firefox-tagging/
00:23 TR Bot; to use the Firefox tagging system | TechRepublic
00:23 TR News; How to use Ghosterys privacy-minded Dawn browser | TechRepublic https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-use-ghosterys-privacy-minded-dawn-browser/ Source: techrepublic
00:23 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-use-ghosterys-privacy-minded-dawn-browser/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-use-ghosterys-privacy-minded-dawn-browser/
00:23 TR Bot; to use Ghosterys privacy-minded Dawn browser | TechRepublic
00:24 TR News; How to Install Your Own Federated Twitter with Pleroma - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/install-federated-twitter-pleroma/ Source: maketecheasier
00:24 TR Bot; How to Install Your Own Federated Twitter with Pleroma - Make Tech Easier
00:25 TR News; "Any code submission to LibreOffice should pass Gerrit code review in order to get merged into the LibreOffice codebase. This is possible using the code review tool Gerrit." https://dev.blog.documentfoundation.org/2022/04/11/how-to-use-gerrit-code-review-effectively/
00:25 TR Bot; How to use Gerrit code review effectively - LibreOffice Development Blog
00:26 TR News; What are Vim Modes? How to Change Them? https://linuxhandbook.com/vim-modes/ Source: LinuxHandbook | GNU | Linux
00:26 Alternative link; CloudFlare: linuxhandbook.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhandbook.com/vim-modes/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxhandbook.com/vim-modes/
00:26 TR Bot; What are Vim Modes? How to Change Them?
00:30 TR News; Implementing buzzwords https://devops.com/3-must-haves-when-implementing-devsecops/
00:30 Alternative link; CloudFlare: devops.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://devops.com/3-must-haves-when-implementing-devsecops/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://devops.com/3-must-haves-when-implementing-devsecops/
00:30 TR Bot; Must-Haves When Implementing DevSecOps - DevOps.com
00:30 TR News; A buzzwords strategy https://www.suse.com/c/glimpse-reduces-time-to-launch-with-agile-devops-strategy/
00:30 Alternative link; CloudFlare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/glimpse-reduces-time-to-launch-with-agile-devops-strategy/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.suse.com/c/glimpse-reduces-time-to-launch-with-agile-devops-strategy/
00:30 TR Bot; reduces time-to-launch with agile DevOps strategy | SUSE Communities
00:31 bnchs__; you've heard of DevOps
00:31 bnchs__; now HERE COMES
00:31 bnchs__; DEVSECOPS
00:31 TR News; SUSE is pushing SAP's proprietary software AGAIN https://www.suse.com/c/accelerate-your-cloud-vision-join-suse-at-sap-sapphire-orlando/
00:31 Alternative link; CloudFlare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/accelerate-your-cloud-vision-join-suse-at-sap-sapphire-orlando/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.suse.com/c/accelerate-your-cloud-vision-join-suse-at-sap-sapphire-orlando/
00:31 TR Bot; Your Cloud Vision. JOIN SUSE at SAP Sapphire Orlando | SUSE Communities
00:32 TR News; 2022.15 Wordling - Rakudo Weekly News <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/04/11/2022-15-wordling/"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
00:32 TR Bot; 2022.15 Wordling Rakudo Weekly News
00:32 TR News; "SmokeMachine reported on IRC to have found an unusual use of subset." https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2022/04/11/a-subset-of-red/
00:32 TR Bot; A Subset of Red | Playing Perl 6b6xA Raku
00:32 TR News; "Tyler Limkemann returns (after an extended absence) with a very nice article about how they used the Raku Programming Language to solve Wordle challenges. With plenty of code and theoretical background." https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/04/11/2022-15-wordling/
00:33 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: devDevs
00:33 bnchs__; now be prepared for
00:33 bnchs__; DevBallSecksOps
00:33 schestowitz; MedveDEV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin-Medvedev_tandemocracy?wprov=srpw1_0
00:33 TR Bot; Putin-Medvedev tandemocracy - Wikipedia
00:35 TR News; "Hello, everyone --let's review the Apache community's activities from over the past week" https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-weekly-news-round21
00:35 TR Bot; The Apache Weekly News Round-up: week ending 8 April 2022 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog
00:35 psydruid; SpecialMilitaryOps
00:36 bnchs__; Microsoft(R) Presents
00:36 bnchs__; SpecialMilitaryOps
00:36 bnchs__; PLS GIVE US YOUR TAX MONEY!!!!
00:36 schestowitz-TR; TAXOps
00:37 schestowitz-TR; lessons of Monday:
00:37 *Noisytoot_ is now known as Noisytoot
00:37 schestowitz-TR; (also why I didn't post anything)
00:37 schestowitz-TR; never mistakenly try to upload concurrently 150MB every 5 minutes
00:37 schestowitz-TR; concurrently
00:37 schestowitz-TR; you will suffocate your home networek
00:37 bnchs__; wow
00:38 *Noisytoot_ is now known as Noisytoot
00:38 bnchs__; i don't even upload that much
00:38 bnchs__; i can't say the same for most people in this country
00:38 bnchs__; suffocating my entire ISP
00:38 bnchs__; instead of a home network
00:38 TR News; "In this video, we are looking at how to install Flightgear on Debian 11." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHUT3ScE3NE
00:38 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=UHUT3ScE3NE
00:38 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=UHUT3ScE3NE )
00:38 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: it was a mistake
00:39 schestowitz-TR; generated i
00:39 schestowitz-TR; in a most bizarre
00:39 schestowitz-TR; way
00:39 bnchs__; also privacy.gd is still dead
00:39 bnchs__; maybe a outage
00:39 bnchs__; or maintence
00:39 TR News; "Most Arch Linux installers including the primary iso require an internet connection to complete the installation process but what if you don't have one well you're in luck because Arch Boot exists." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb3ykTklnWU
00:39 TR Bot; https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=mb3ykTklnWU
00:39 TR Bot; invidious.weblibre.org | How To Install Arch Linux With NO INTERNET - Invidious
00:40 XRevan86; Mariupol is not taken.
00:40 bnchs__; how to install arch linux with no internet?
00:40 TR News; "Firewalls are made to protect the network from any threat by filtering both the in and outbound traffic and ensuring network security as well. The first thing when we talk about the 9 best open source firewalls is that they are free, well let us explain such a term for [Free] software" https://dekisoft.com/best-free-open-source-firewall/
00:40 Alternative link; CloudFlare: dekisoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dekisoft.com/best-free-open-source-firewall/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://dekisoft.com/best-free-open-source-firewall/
00:40 TR Bot; Best Free Open Source Firewall in 2022 - Windows/Linux - DekiSoft
00:40 bnchs__; that's a dream
00:41 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: not in one bite
00:42 XRevan86; The Mariupol defenders claim that the chemical attack was not effective, and just three persons have severe symptoms.
00:42 TR News; WTH is "Gaming Monitor"? Way to charge several times more for the same thing and bribe sites like "maketecheasier" for hype. https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/lg-27-ultrascreen-gaming-monitor/
00:42 TR Bot; Save $120 on an LG 27" Ultrascreen Gaming Monitor - Make Tech Easier
00:43 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: they should catapultin it back to putler
00:43 bnchs__; it's a GAYMING MOONITIER
00:43 bnchs__; Boasting, aa
00:43 bnchs__; a
00:43 bnchs__; HIGHER PRICE
00:43 bnchs__; and NO DIFFERENCES
00:43 bnchs__; from a regular monitor
00:43 TR News; "Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 730 for the week of April 3 9, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/04/11/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-730/
00:44 TR Bot; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 730
00:44 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: try gaming mouse
00:44 schestowitz-TR; gaming keyboard
00:44 schestowitz-TR; gaming shoes for PC gaming
00:44 MinceR; > WTH is "Gaming Monitor"?
00:44 schestowitz-TR; gaming gloves
00:44 schestowitz-TR; gaming pizza
00:44 *schestowitz-TR gets a gaming teamug
00:44 MinceR; typically it has higher refresh frequency and shorter response time
00:44 MinceR; which leads to lower input lag
00:45 schestowitz-TR; like those gaming wifi things
00:45 MinceR; the one i have here also caters to TFPS players by having an option for adding a crosshair :>
00:45 schestowitz-TR; which claim the connection is better
00:45 schestowitz-TR; lower latency
00:45 schestowitz-TR; I bet you can get the same without Gaming(TM)
00:45 schestowitz-TR; you just buy a decent machine
00:45 bnchs__; MinceR: i thought all the games already had that
00:45 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: "legit" cheating
00:46 MinceR; the good ones have it
00:46 MinceR; "modern" "tactical" FPS-es don't
00:46 schestowitz-TR; "I only took 'a little' EPO"
00:46 MinceR; or they have one that often disappears, or grows to the size of a house
00:46 schestowitz-TR; tim swine-e's server gets kernel report about "unauthorised" monitor
00:47 bnchs__; be ready for the new fortnite pack
00:47 bnchs__; gaming monitor
00:48 MinceR; fortinayti ile babacii
00:48 TR News; Years ago FOSS Force spoke about the corruption of Linux Foundation. Now, after getting money from Linux Foundation, it does puff pieces for the corrupt Linux Foundation. SJVN effect. https://fossforce.com/2022/04/protecting-open-source-security-as-cold-war-turns-hot/
00:48 TR Bot; OpenSSF Protects Open Source Security as Cold War Turns Hot- FOSS Force
00:48 bnchs__; iybir ikis ikis ikis ikis ile GIRAAFIDADODINIII
00:48 MinceR; :>
00:49 bnchs__; i don't know how they got grand theft auto to sound like that
00:49 MinceR; i don't know either
00:49 MinceR; i know the subtitles are turkish but i don't know what language they were actually speaking in
00:50 TR News; Microsoft, Microsoft... more than anything else https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/11/cisa-adds-eight-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
00:50 TR Bot; CISA Adds Eight Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA
00:50 TR Bot; Known Exploited Vulnerabilities Catalog | CISA
00:51 TR News; Richard Stallman: The state of the free software movement https://www.fsf.org/events/rms-20220413-online tomorrow.
00:51 TR Bot; Richard Stallman: The state of the free software movement Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
00:53 kingoffrance; literally from a cover/title page ignorat terminis ignoratur et ars and je sais que chaque science et chaque art a ses termes propres, inconnus au commun des hommes any fundamentalism type "plain english" "law" is "bad faith" by definition
00:53 TR News; Destination Linux 273: Our Takes on the Hottest Linux News of 2022 https://destinationlinux.org/episode-273/
00:53 TR Bot; 273: Our Takes on the Hottest Linux News of 2022 - Destination Linux
00:54 TR News; Jussi Pakkanen: Getting web proxys and certificates working on Linux or "if it's all the same to you, I'd rather take a thousand years of the Sarlacc pit, thankyouverymuch" https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/04/getting-web-proxys-and-certificates.html
00:54 TR Bot; Nibble Stew: Getting web proxys and certificates working on Linux or "if it's all the same to you, I'd rather take a thousand years of the Sarlacc pit, thankyouverymuch"
00:55 bnchs__; MinceR, https://youtube.com/watch?v=MKALbpKuDdo
00:55 TR Bot; https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=MKALbpKuDdo
00:55 TR Bot; vid.puffyan.us | fortnite or pubg 2 but other words - Invidious
00:55 TR News; "Because all Librem computers share are built on base OS/PureOS, there are many crossovers when it comes to software. Here is the guide you can use for all Librem Computers." https://puri.sm/posts/definitive-guide-to-user-documentation-for-librem-devices/
00:55 TR Bot; Definitive Guide to User Documentation for Librem Devices Purism
00:57 bnchs__; figured out his name
00:57 bnchs__; lilhancha
00:57 bnchs__; https://yewtu.be/search?q=lilhancha
00:57 TR Bot; lilhancha - Invidious
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 46.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 347.15
01:04 TR News; How to Install and NSA shit on GNU/Linux https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-install-ghidra-linux/ Source: makeuseof
01:04 TR Bot; How to Install and Run Ghidra on Linux
01:06 TR News; Ubuntu News and HowTos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163618
01:06 TR Bot; Ubuntu News and HowTos | Tux Machines
01:07 TR News; Firefox Nightly: These Weeks In Firefox: Issue 113 https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/04/11/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-113/
01:07 Alternative link; CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/04/11/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-113/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/04/11/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-113/
01:07 TR Bot; These Weeks In Firefox: Issue 113 Firefox Nightly News
01:07 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163619
01:07 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
01:07 bnchs__; i used ghidra
01:07 bnchs__; yes i know
01:08 TR News; Salix 15.0-alpha1 is release. But no message yet in https://blog.salixos.org/
01:08 TR Bot; The Salix Blog
01:09 TR News; "To take advantage of performance improvements, the latest security-vulnerability enhancements, and bug fixes, we've upgraded JRE for Cassandra and Elasticsearch. Both, Cassandra and Elasticsearch will now use JRE 8u322. Other components will now use JRE 11.0.14." https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/DYNATRACE-INC-63216144/news/Dynatrace-Managed-release-notes-version-1-238-40023980/
01:09 TR Bot; : Managed release notes version 1.238 | MarketScreener
01:10 TR News; Those are not "Linux" things; you are reinforcing misconceptions about what Linux actually is... https://www.networkworld.com/article/3657050/demystifying-and-on-linux.html
01:10 TR Bot; Demystifying &&, ||, and ! on Linux | Network World
01:11 TR News; Extracting Credentials from Multifunction Devices - Hurricane Labs https://hurricanelabs.com/blog/extracting-credentials-from-multifunction-devices Source: hurricanelabs
01:11 TR Bot; Extracting Credentials from Multifunction Devices - Hurricane Labs
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01:16 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163620
01:16 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163620 )
01:35 schestowitz-TR; yikes
01:35 schestowitz-TR; I think the DB shat itself
01:38 bnchs__; wtf
01:38 schestowitz-TR; it happened years ago as well
01:38 schestowitz-TR; an innodb error
01:38 bnchs__; well at least it didn't happen like my ministry of education's website
01:39 chunky; failed kindergarten + your shower never gets cleaned + u watch and enjoy LRH every week + hoes mad + u take yr socks off on airplanes + broken startup scripts + you use mac
01:39 MinceR; lol @ LRH
01:40 bnchs__; wtf is LRH
01:40 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86 is good at these things
01:41 MinceR; lafayette ronald hubbard, cult founder
01:41 XRevan86; What things?
01:41 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: I will share with you excerpts
01:41 bnchs__; <chunky> [...] broken startup scripts + you use mac
01:41 bnchs__; very accurate
01:42 MinceR; i don't know if crapOS uses scripts in its startup, but it is broken :>
01:42 schestowitz; XRevan86: sunday morning:
01:42 schestowitz; d
01:42 schestowitz; 220410 11:17:45 InnoDB: Starting shutdown...
01:42 schestowitz; 220410 11:17:47 InnoDB: Shutdown completed; log sequence number 0 44233
01:42 schestowitz; 220410 11:17:47 [Note] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown complete
01:42 schestowitz; 220410 11:17:47 mysqld_safe mysqld from pid file /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid ended
01:42 schestowitz; 220410 11:17:49 mysqld_safe Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql
01:42 schestowitz; 220410 11:17:49 [Warning] '--log_slow_queries' is deprecated and will be removed in a future release. Please use ''--slow_query_log'/'--slow_query_log_file'' instead.
01:42 schestowitz; 220410 11:17:49 InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 8.0M
01:42 schestowitz; 220410 11:17:49 InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool
01:42 schestowitz; 220410 11:17:49 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 44233
01:42 schestowitz; 220410 11:17:49 [Note] Event Scheduler: Loaded 0 events
01:42 schestowitz; 220410 11:17:49 [Note] /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections.
01:42 schestowitz; that led to a very slightly odd behaviour. so I noticed that
01:42 XRevan86; schestowitz: This is perfectly clean. Apart from the deprecation warning.
01:43 schestowitz; then, half an hour ago:
01:43 schestowitz; n
01:43 schestowitz; 220412 0:15:17 [ERROR] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Incorrect key file for table './drupal/node.MYI'; try to repair it
01:43 schestowitz; 220412 0:15:17 [ERROR] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Incorrect key file for table './drupal/node.MYI'; try to repair it
01:43 XRevan86; MyISAM? Oh boy.
01:43 MinceR; maybe mysql wants you to switch to postgres :>
01:43 schestowitz; drupal.node
01:43 schestowitz; error : Can't read key block from filepos: 10805248
01:44 schestowitz; error : Found key at page 1629184 that points to record outside datafile
01:44 schestowitz; Error : Incorrect key file for table './drupal/node.MYI'; try to repair it
01:44 schestowitz; status : Operation failed
01:44 schestowitz; drupal.node_access OK
01:44 schestowitz; drupal.node_comment_statistics
01:44 bnchs__; IT'S OVER
01:44 schestowitz; warning : Can't change size of indexfile, error: 5
01:44 schestowitz; status : OK
01:44 XRevan86; MyISAM has repair utilities, they are lossy of course.
01:44 schestowitz; Repairing tables
01:44 schestowitz; drupal.node
01:44 schestowitz; warning : Can't change size of indexfile, error: 5
01:44 schestowitz; status : OK
01:45 XRevan86; MinceR: postgres is the best DBMS, but this isn't really mysql's fault, this is legacy.
01:45 schestowitz; my last "good" backup, assuming before the sunday night thing, is sunday 5am
01:45 MinceR; :>
01:45 XRevan86; My closest experience with MyISAM was when I was migrating MyISAM tables to InnoDB.
01:45 MinceR; :>
01:46 bnchs__; schestowitz, you can try doing "perror 5"
01:46 bnchs__; to get more information about the error code
01:46 chunky; your grandma is 40 + ur house has roaches + your links r 404 + you save forums as a pdf + u went to fyre feast + u breathe loud as fuck
01:46 MinceR; lol
01:46 XRevan86; I guess a good idea would be to figure out what the "node" table is about.
01:47 schestowitz; it's the table with all the posts
01:47 schestowitz; a similar situation happened a couple of time years ago
01:47 schestowitz; the simplest fix was,
01:47 chunky; u have a favorite commercial + u pay for pornhub + u still wear covid masks + your blogs are retarded + go outside + car infested with squirrels
01:47 schestowitz; restore from backup
01:47 XRevan86; schestowitz: Was that the time when I recommended to you to migrate to InnoDB?
01:47 schestowitz; then readd the missing nodes
01:47 XRevan86; I'm pretty sure I said it at least once.
01:47 bnchs__; <chunky> [...] u went to fyre feast [...]
01:47 bnchs__; i still haven't recovered
01:48 schestowitz; XRevan86: maybe this is a good opportunity to update the whole OS, Ariadne?
01:48 chunky; the typo gives it character
01:48 schestowitz; I can move everything there, then load a better DB and import the latest good backup into that
01:48 XRevan86; schestowitz: The database is not going to migrate itself regardless of the OS.
01:49 schestowitz; yeah, but the mysql dump would, I think
01:49 XRevan86; Unless it explicitly mentions "ENGINE = 'MyISAM'"
01:49 XRevan86; (not verbatim)
01:49 schestowitz; though in the past we got the same issue when importing this site's dump onto a newwe version of mariadb/mysql
01:50 schestowitz; XRevan86: ah, maybe that's why it did not work when we tried
01:50 schestowitz; we tried several times
01:50 my computer instead of shuting down is rebooting
01:50 linux is crazy
01:50 XRevan86; mysqldump will preserve the selected engine, because it's a back-up after all, it won't lose the engine information willy-nilly.
01:51 bnchs__; : what did you do
01:51 nothing
01:51 schestowitz; XRevan86: that's good to know, thanls
01:51 at least its booting
01:51 schestowitz; that would likely explain why we failed to export the DB to a more modern DB server
01:51 i was giving me a had time booting
01:51 schestowitz; XRevan86: is there a means for conversion?
01:51 XRevan86; It would import successfully, it just won't improve.
01:52 now it boots ok it just foesent shutdown ok
01:52 schestowitz; there's 18 years of data in it
01:52 schestowitz; I guess it's our biggest technical debt
01:53 i blame google for it
01:53 XRevan86; schestowitz: Either ALTER TABLE with ENGINE = 'InnoDB' and then back-up (time-intensive to do both), or patch the back-up file to mention "InnoDB" instead of "MyISAM".
01:53 i bet its elon musk having fun at my expense
01:53 XRevan86; s/MyISAM/InnoDB/g won't do because that will also mess up the data.
01:54 schestowitz; XRevan86: :-(
01:54 schestowitz; so no simple .dump -> .dump for another storage engine?
01:54 chunky; u buy cigarettes online + u use library internet + u make everyone depresed + yr mom is attracted to u + dick so small cant even hit the IUD + u do this meme all day + get a fucking life + ur mom chugs hand sanitizer + overdosed on herbal ecstasy
01:55 schestowitz; tbh, I don't mind re-adding a day's worth of nodes
01:55 XRevan86; schestowitz: I'm not aware of mysqldump being capable to replace stuff on the fly.
01:55 bnchs__; "yr mom is attracted to u + dick so small cant even hit the IUD"
01:55 bnchs__; ok now that doesn't make sense
01:55 schestowitz; if we can at least evacuate the DB to a more modern machine
01:55 schestowitz; Ariadne: are you around?
01:56 schestowitz; XRevan86: let's just say I have a working backup, pre-incident
01:56 XRevan86; schestowitz: Also remember that "SHOW TABLE STATUS" will show all the relevant information about the tables in the current database.
01:56 XRevan86; One can overview it and then ALTER TABLE the relevant tables.
01:56 chunky; u like seagulls (dumb) + no1 noticed u were here + u draw on money + u believe popups that say u have a virus + cheap cologne + u breathe loud as fuck
01:57 schestowitz; it's possible that this morning's backup is in OK state too
01:57 schestowitz; because you said that Sunday warning did not indicate a fatal panic
01:58 chunky is a racist pig
01:58 schestowitz; at the moment we have a poorly 'repaired' DB
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 56.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 323.76
01:59 chunky; : i am not wtf
01:59 you didnt upload your DB backup to ipfs?
02:00 schestowitz; I have two backups from this morning, 4am and 5am. Bur the Sunday 5am one seems 'safer' to try
02:00 psydruid;
02:00 schestowitz; but we've long had an issue with this DB as the moment we export it to a newer installation it would then break itself when modified
02:01 schestowitz; likely, as you noted, since the storage engine isn't set "properly"
02:01 schestowitz; but we deal with almost 20 years of work here, and could really use a way to 'modernise' the DB, XRevan86
02:02 .
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02:04 ypu upload it to IPFS and let the community solve it
02:04 schestowitz; XRevan86: if you had to choose a backup, would you choose the one from sunday morning before the first little panic?
02:04 XRevan86; schestowitz: As MinceR pointed out, the ultimate modernisation is to use mysql_fdw and migrate to postgres :)
02:05 psydruid;
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02:05 XRevan86; schestowitz: That sounds reasonable.
02:05 schestowitz; let's say this version of drupal does not support postgres
02:06 schestowitz; (I don't think it does)
02:06 schestowitz; I could, at the moment, revert back to the sunday morning backup
02:06 schestowitz; but I thought of having a go at moving to a whole new OS for the site during easter
02:07 schestowitz; so this is an opportunity, too
02:07 chunky; im not strung out enough to chat with u + u tried on a burka + no one talks to u on omegle + u listen to kpop + you dont even skate + micropenis + u watch yoga pants vids
02:07 XRevan86; I'm going to sleep though.
02:07 XRevan86; Is chunky a person?
02:07 chunky; sup
02:08 schestowitz; XRevan86: ok, thank you
02:08 psydruid; ,
02:09 XRevan86; , ?
02:09 kingoffrance; i was hoping chunky would bust out some rhymes
02:10 chunky; u pay for youtube premium + u shower with sister + save hot water + cant bbq + don't care + your mom fucks your friends + u pay for pornhub
02:10 psydruid;
02:10 fucking script kifs
02:10 script kids
02:10 chunky; :(
02:10 chunky; lighten up pal
02:10 chunky; have some FUN
02:11 XRevan86; psydruid:
02:11 psydruid; just ignore him in your client
02:11 why you whont let me?
02:11 chunky; u think anonymous is cool + your dad fucked my ass + proactiv didnt work for u + u thought invading iraq was a good idea + all ur memes are deepfried + micropenis + irrelevant
02:11 psydruid; until someone here sees the light and bans him
02:12 XRevan86; psydruid: I think MinceR should actually consider.
02:12 XRevan86; MinceR: It is time.
02:12 chunky; MODS!!!!! BAN THIS EVIL PERSON!!!
02:12 psydruid; XRevan86, he could have done so a long time ago, if he wanted
02:13 XRevan86; I'm impressed, that looked coherent.
02:13 psydruid; not evil, just stupid beyond limits
02:14 chunky; yea well..
02:14 chunky; u watch hentai (weeb) + u talk to mormons that come to your house + irrelevant + u wear a bath robe + u were born with herpes + proactiv didnt work for u + ur dehydated
02:14 XRevan86; What is a sign that someone should get banned? When they fail to string a sentence together?
02:14 chunky; i can string so many sentences together dude
02:14 chunky; i can string them all around you
02:14 MinceR; chunky: yeah, but can you make them make sense?
02:14 chunky; you'll be covered in strings that are actually sentences
02:14 psydruid; if this is the best LF and friends can do, they need to try harder
02:14 chunky; gonna be fun
02:14 chunky; sounds like a party tbh
02:14 pig talk
02:14 MinceR; :>
02:15 chunky; what's LF?
02:15 schestowitz; XRevan86: https://drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/22684/drupal-6-database-has-mixed-innodb-myisam-need-to-fix-before-migration
02:15 TR Bot; Drupal 6 database has mixed InnoDB & MyISAM. Need to fix before migration - Drupal Answers
02:15 low life
02:15 kingoffrance; linux foundation
02:16 chunky; ah
02:16 chunky; you guys do kernel stuff?
02:16 schestowitz; https://groups.drupal.org/node/95364 https://www.drupal.org/project/dbtuner
02:16 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://groups.drupal.org/node/95364 )
02:16 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.drupal.org/project/dbtuner )
02:16 chunky; any thoughts on io_uring?
02:17 kingoffrance; long ago there was free software, and then there was open source, and now its just a confusion of tongues :D
02:17 schestowitz; db tuner deprecated like 8 years ago
02:17 chunky; long ago there was free software, and then there was open source, and now there's both
02:18 schestowitz; XRevan86: if you're still about, any way of running things with MyISAM on a modern OS?
02:18 XRevan86; schestowitz: I never said MyISAM won't run.
02:19 XRevan86; It's just not a reliable way of storing information.
02:19 schestowitz-TR; right, thanks.
02:19 schestowitz-TR; so a modern OS can be configured to use it?
02:20 schestowitz-TR; we typically make backup dumps each morning, locally and remotely
02:20 chunky; slipknot + u still wear your highschool football jersey + career complainer + ratio'd + u have mold under your sink + u pay for cable + u bought fake kratom
02:20 are you using mango or maria DB?
02:20 XRevan86; schestowitz: MariaDB and Oracle MySQL both maintain compatibility.
02:20 schestowitz-TR; ah, OK, so if I were to install them, I just need to set some flag right?
02:21 schestowitz-TR; and that would be done separately from handling the DB dump?
02:21 XRevan86; schestowitz: There's no flag.
02:22 XRevan86; MyISAM tables will just work (badly, but that's just their nature).
02:23 bnchs__; gn
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02:23 schestowitz-TR; when we imported this DB about 2 years ago it was failing the moment I added new nodes
02:24 schestowitz-TR; everything else seemed OK, when importing, but when Drupal got used it would break. We tried 2-3 times.
02:24 schestowitz-TR; So the goal is to preserve all site data (18 years) while moving to a modern OS.
02:24 schestowitz-TR; MyISAM was "good enough" to come this far
02:26 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@m2cqwwx99y5wi.irc) has joined #techrights
02:26 you should use bleachbit and start anew
02:27 schestowitz-TR; we need solutions, not jokes
02:28 chunky; cancelled + u read articles about celebs + u think u 'have a connection' with the stripper + micropenis + u punch holes in your walls + u own collectibles + u use telegram + u draw on money
02:29 AdmFubar; schestowitz-TR: did you check aria for a db replacement?
02:29 all i know about MyISAM is that its an exploit waiting to happen
02:29 schestowitz-TR; I have not
02:30 DaemonFC; Well, now I officially own a luxury car.
02:30 DaemonFC; B-)
02:30 how much CO2 per galon?
02:30 DaemonFC; The old lady that owned it before me drove it over a curb and fucked up the front suspension too, so they had to do a front end rebuild on it.
02:31 DaemonFC; Rides like a dream.
02:31 DaemonFC; <> how much CO2 per galon?
02:31 DaemonFC; That would be consistent among all cars.
02:31 DaemonFC; You mean how much CO2 per mile driven?
02:32 DaemonFC; Who knows. It's a 3800 V6 Series III so probably a lot.
02:32 DaemonFC; I'd rather buy more gas than deal with an aluminum and plastic engine.
02:32 no luxury cars release more CO2 per galon
02:32 XRevan86; : Aria is better, but InnoDB would still be a better fit for this type of table.
02:32 DaemonFC; Well, with aluminum and plastic, you can't win on TCO vs. an old gas guzzler.
02:33 MinceR; how much CO2 does a BMW release while burning into a pile of ash?
02:33 DaemonFC; Just warming it up and cooling it back down fatigues the plastic intakes.
02:33 DaemonFC; <MinceR> how much CO2 does a BMW release while burning into a pile of ash?
02:33 XRevan86 pick one that you can port in another 5 years
02:33 DaemonFC; With a BMW, you _can_ keep the engine going a long time, but few of them listen to the mechanic when they tell them how you manage that.
02:33 MinceR; just don't start it, ever
02:33 MinceR; keep it in a garage
02:34 MinceR; better yet, don't even buy it
02:34 DaemonFC; You basically have to proactively replace the entire cooling system every 7 years or 75,000 miles, MinceR
02:34 MinceR; as for plastic parts, some manufacturers manage to get away with them
02:34 DaemonFC; It's VERY expensive, so then their engine gets destroyed the first time it overheats.
02:34 MinceR; just not the germans
02:34 DaemonFC; And they need a new engine PLUS a cooling system.
02:35 DaemonFC; MinceR, The 3800 V6 has some quirks, but the later models were very reliable overall.
02:35 DaemonFC; Cheap to fix.
02:35 DaemonFC; It was ranked one of the top 10 engines of the 20th century.
02:35 so they are perfect cars for innuits
02:35 DaemonFC; Though GM improved it again in 2005.
02:35 AdmFubar; https://techxplore.com/news/2022-04-youre-muted-videoconferencing-apps-mic.html
02:35 TR Bot; You're muted... or are you? Videoconferencing apps may listen even when mic is off
02:35 DaemonFC; Better connecting rods.
02:36 MinceR; usually i just used the hw mute switch on my headset
02:36 DaemonFC; MinceR, I have it scheduled back into the shop on Wednesday.
02:36 MinceR; good luck listening through that :>
02:36 DaemonFC; Coolant and transmission flush and oil change.
02:36 DaemonFC; I'm picking up a new AGM style car battery too eventually.
02:37 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-110422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-110422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-110422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-110422.txt
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02:37 DaemonFC; I was talking to Shaq about that and said "Well, I always flush the coolant and get the transmission serviced after I buy a used car. Sometimes a new S-belt right away too, but this one looks fine. In the long run, it's a lot cheaper than what continuing to run old fluid will do.".
02:38 chunky; lmao
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02:39 schestowitz; "The USE_FRM option is available for use if the .MYI index file is missing or if its header is corrupted. This option tells MySQL not to trust the information in the .MYI file header and to re-create it using information from the .frm file. This kind of repair cannot be done with myisamchk."
02:39 schestowitz; https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2428738/how-do-you-fix-a-mysql-incorrect-key-file-error-when-you-cant-repair-the-tabl
02:39 TR Bot; How do you fix a MySQL "Incorrect key file" error when you can't repair the table? - Stack Overflow
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02:42 AdmFubar; https://techxplore.com/news/2022-04-transistor-world-digital-energy.html
02:42 TR Bot; New transistor could cut 5% from world's digital energy budget
02:53 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-jnkQcj0sA
02:53 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=J-jnkQcj0sA
02:53 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Allstate Insurance "Lawyer" - Invidious
02:55 kingoffrance; lol well hegelianism sells
02:55 kingoffrance; great example of "the system" co-opts any real resistance
02:56 kingoffrance; "anarchy for sale" -- dead kennedys
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 37.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 52.88 average k/sec., average swarm size 307.20
03:04 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 148858 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40133 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 2 months 2 days ago
03:04 the site is ofline
03:05 chunky; dick so small cant even hit the IUD + never grilled corn + u still play pokemon go + u call ppl beta and alpha males + you leave the tags on your hats + you blame black folk for ruining your life
03:05 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 432 MB TotalOut: 104 MB
03:05 stfu pig
03:05 schestowitz-TR; can we be on topic?
03:06 schestowitz-TR; so anyway, anyone here good at DBs?
03:06 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:06 schestowitz-TR; I tried manual repairs too
03:06 schestowitz-TR; to be clear:
03:06 Firefox cant establish a connection to the server at www.tuxmachines.org.
03:06 schestowitz-TR; this happened before
03:06 schestowitz-TR; the simplest fix is, revert back to OK backup
03:06 schestowitz-TR; you try https probab
03:07 IPFS; QmXXLtscfDbwVhn13YG3uYit85zkFCS4WjNa9MM64s3Ee4
03:07 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:07 schestowitz-TR; one route out of this is to upgrade a bunch of other stuff too, and add TLS
03:07 MinceR; chunky: you're becoming repetitive
03:07 chunky; sowwy :(
03:07 chunky; owl do better
03:07 your new Drupal website!
03:07 schestowitz-TR; fixing the site isn't impossible, I could fix it in a couple of minutes
03:08 schestowitz-TR; but I contacted Ariadne as it might be a good chance to just move it to another OS, too
03:08 schestowitz-TR; ahead of Easter Weekend
03:09 what os?
03:10 AdmFubar; from the don't tase me bro department https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/04/cops-take-dim-view-of-autonomous-vehicle-driving-with-no-lights-at-night/
03:10 TR Bot; Driverless car appears to flee the scene after being pulled over by cops | Ars Technica
03:10 schestowitz-TR; centos
03:10 schestowitz-TR; the dying os
03:10 you trust redhat suits you right
03:11 schestowitz-TR; tessier was good at centos
03:11 schestowitz-TR; so it was his choice
03:11 everyone knows the best server is debian
03:11 schestowitz-TR; it used to be on debian until 2013, gentoo in the early days
03:12 distrowatch is using debian
03:13 MinceR; deadian used to be a good server, but that was long ago
03:13 MinceR; before they gave up everything debian was about
03:14 AdmFubar; https://www.darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/former-dhs-acting-it-chief-convicted-in-software-database-theft-scheme
03:14 Alternative link; CloudFlare: darkreading.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/former-dhs-acting-it-chief-convicted-in-software-database-theft-scheme https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/former-dhs-acting-it-chief-convicted-in-software-database-theft-scheme
03:14 TR Bot; Former DHS Acting IT Chief Convicted in Software, Database Theft Scheme
03:14 MX linux
03:15 mexican linux holle
03:16 it doesn't sport systemd
03:20 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I'm back on Fedora.
03:20 DaemonFC; 36 seems to run well on this computer.
03:21 isnt it at 42?
03:21 DaemonFC; GNOME? Yes.
03:21 ha okay
03:22 luxury OS for ya
03:22 chunky; guys i am sorry for my past behavior
03:23 chunky; really hope u can find it in your hearts to forgive me
03:23 chunky; i am a good person
03:23 gnome tablet od on the desktop ?
03:23 DaemonFC; https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Releases/99
03:23 Alternative link; CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Releases/99 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Releases/99
03:23 TR Bot; Firefox 99 for developers - Mozilla | MDN
03:23 IM NOT
03:23 DaemonFC; No notable changed to the web platform in Firefox 99.
03:24 psydruid;
03:24 kingoffrance; i dont believe there's such a thing as good people, but you are forgiven chunky lol
03:24 gnome is a WM designed for a tablet
03:24 chunky; ty kingoffrance what a big heart u must have to say something like that
03:25 kingoffrance; no, no heart
03:25 chunky; damn, how does your blood get pumped?
03:25 kingoffrance; caffeine
03:25 chunky; that's cool
03:25 chunky; sounds like new technology
03:26 get a room
03:28 schestowitz-TR; I think (THINK!) I might manage to repair the existing 'broken' DB
03:28 schestowitz-TR; with myisamchk
03:29 schestowitz-TR; but even if I did, not too sure I'd trust its integrity after this repair, unlike older backups which predate the incident
03:30 psydruid; how much data are we talking about here?
03:30 schestowitz-TR; 470mb compressed
03:31 psydruid; that isn't a lot, but I'm not that familiar with mysql
03:31 schestowitz-TR; this is rather old mysql
03:31 schestowitz-TR; but then again the DB was populated since 2004
03:31 schestowitz-TR; I was a student back then
03:32 psydruid; my experience is mostly with oracle at a former employer, one of the major data integration companies
03:33 psydruid; and postgres more recently
03:33 schestowitz-TR; this repair operation did not help
03:33 try it on windows :D
03:33 schestowitz-TR; I can access everything OK only if I am logged in
03:33 psydruid; the tools don't work?
03:35 kingoffrance; we cant get a room, mincer doesnt believe in rooms, everyone is supposed to delphi technique synthesize
03:35 kingoffrance; and with that i bid you adieu
03:35 *kingoffrance has quit (Quit: Leaving)
03:38 psydruid; maybe you have to set the permissions correctly
03:38 psydruid; but using myisam isn't really recommended
03:38 schestowitz-TR; no, it seems to have been caused by a bad write
03:39 schestowitz-TR; which messes up a table
03:39 psydruid; I thought everything ws innodb for years
03:39 schestowitz-TR; and makes recovery hard or impossible
03:39 psydruid; do you have a backup that you know is good?
03:40 schestowitz-TR; yes
03:40 schestowitz-TR; but it would be nice to upgrade the whole system
03:40 schestowitz-TR; while we're at it
03:40 schestowitz-TR; I've put the site in offline mode to prevent confusion
03:40 AdmFubar; https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/11/symantec-says-that-hackers-distributed-a-modified-version-of-vlc-and-exploited-it-for-malware-attacks/
03:40 Alternative link; CloudFlare: ghacks.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/11/symantec-says-that-hackers-distributed-a-modified-version-of-vlc-and-exploited-it-for-malware-attacks/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/11/symantec-says-that-hackers-distributed-a-modified-version-of-vlc-and-exploited-it-for-malware-attacks/
03:40 TR Bot; Symantec says that hackers distributed a modified version of VLC and exploited it for malware attacks - gHacks Tech News
03:41 schestowitz-TR; Windows users downloading exe and msi files?
03:43 psydruid; and what cms are you using? Drupal?
03:43 schestowitz-TR; yes
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03:46 psydruid; I see that Drupal supports Postgres in addition to MySQL now
03:46 schestowitz-TR; yes, but moving upwards in drupal versions renders lots of stuff obsolete
03:47 matey; i see that drupal is self-hosted, nice
03:48 matey; (its also in the fsd fork)
03:48 matey; SO MUCH OF WHICH is fucking cpan (this isnt cpans fault-- if indeed it is anyones)
03:49 matey; i made another little automated tool to help me manage all of that
03:49 matey; its not really "automated", it just does most of the work for me
03:49 matey; mostly automated
03:50 psydruid; which version of Drupal are you currently on?
03:50 matey; i spent about 30 minutes making it, it already saved me 2 or 3 hours, and that was less than 2 or 3 hours ago
03:51 matey; oh im not using drupal, sorry
03:51 psydruid; neither am I
03:51 matey; what i meant was, if you fork the fsd
03:51 psydruid; I've never even used it
03:51 matey; and you remove projects that dont meet its rather strict criteria
03:51 matey; drupal is still there
03:51 matey; both hypothetically and actually
03:51 psydruid; I'm just trying to understand what the situation is
03:52 matey; what situation exactly?
03:52 matey; with drupal adding support?
03:52 matey; for postgres?
03:53 psydruid; mysql data dump from a mysql myisam database that seems corrupt and can't be moved to something like postgres, because the drupal cms is an older version
03:53 chunky hacked your site
03:54 psydruid; newer versions of drupal have removed support for certain things, so moving to them is not an option
03:54 psydruid; that's my understanding at present
03:54 schestowitz-TR; I am rebuilding the index
03:54 chunky; : woah there, that's not true and a serious accusation!!
03:54 schestowitz-TR; seems promising
03:54 matey; oh that sucks
03:54 matey; do you suspect foul play?
03:54 schestowitz-TR; like I said before, even if I FIX the existing thing, I would not trust its integrity going foward
03:55 schestowitz-TR; not without tons of testing
03:55 matey; /me is asking psydroid because he isnt sure what roy is talking about is even related yet
03:55 matey; though it could be the same thing
03:56 * Rolls a 6 sided dice and gets 3
03:56 schestowitz-TR; 17,000,000 data records in search index
03:56 psydruid; no foul play, just not great technology
03:57 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: just throwing out there this remark, ymmv
03:57 schestowitz-TR; techdirt moved to wordpress last month
03:57 schestowitz-TR; they were anxious to migrate
03:57 schestowitz-TR; not sure what they used before
03:57 schestowitz-TR; techdirt goes back to the 1990s
03:57 matey; "just not great technology" when technology gets worse, i dont rule out foul play until i come up with a better explanation :)
03:57 matey; only because ive learned its fucking common
03:57 schestowitz-TR; running sites for this long is very hard, without "overhaul", as technology changes far too fast
03:58 matey; techdirt moved to wordpress last month <- masochism?
03:58 matey; technology changes far too fast <- technology tends to change more slowly if you keep things simple
03:58 schestowitz-TR; php may not work after a version bump, OSes deprecate support for "old" things, some projects get abandoned, so no security fixes
03:58 matey; /me hasnt considered php stable since it turned into a langauge he cant figure out how to use
03:59 schestowitz-TR; meh
03:59 matey; /me used to code in php (though nothing extensive)
03:59 schestowitz-TR; even after this long repair process it still does not work :/
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 56.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 362.55
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04:00 matey; php was so simple you could mock it for its simplicity, and people did
04:00 matey; then they fixed it.
04:00 matey; /me wouldnt know how to follow
04:01 matey; i used to be able to make a really simple guestbook in php in minutes
04:01 matey; i can still do it in python
04:01 chunky; that guy sure didn't seem to like me!
04:02 matey; i think half the people here consider you a troll
04:02 psydruid; is rainian
04:02 matey; though thats just my impression
04:02 chunky; i'll have to do some public image repairing around here
04:02 chunky; i've gone TOO FAR this time
04:02 matey; rofl
04:02 psydruid; I consider him a dead troll
04:02 chunky; that sounds menacing
04:03 psydruid; I just need to write some patches to add ignore functionality in XMPP clients
04:03 psydruid; not menacing, just dead
04:04 chunky; please do not hurt me :(
04:04 chunky; i swear i'm alright
04:04 matey; pipelines make things too fucking easy
04:04 chunky; i just got caught up the meme
04:04 psydruid; it's too late for that now
04:04 psydruid; try in your next life
04:04 matey; :)
04:04 matey; whats something you like and something you dislike
04:05 matey; i will judge you for the next 100 years based on the answer (or not)
04:05 chunky; i like freebsd, i hate windows
04:05 matey; its a start
04:05 chunky; wait can i change my answer
04:05 chunky; let me edit
04:05 chunky; s/windows/microsoft
04:06 matey; even better would be s/windows/windows and microsoft/
04:06 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, April 11, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
04:06 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
04:06 chunky; microsoft covers a great many thing
04:06 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:06 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
04:06 chunky; getting angry rn thinking about how microsoft owns github
04:06 matey; it covers too much (though thats not your fault)
04:06 chunky; brb gotta pace around the room for 3-8 minutes
04:06 matey; /me knows hes taking the piss
04:06 chunky; ;D
04:07 chunky; yeah i don't feel too much anger but i sincerely dislike microsoft's history of abuse
04:07 chunky; and i don't see how them controlling the open source dev ecosystem is good for anyone
04:07 matey; theyre a bit crap
04:07 chunky; it's gonna flop on everyone
04:07 matey; open source was always a scam imo
04:07 matey; though the prehistory and VERY early history im still unsure on
04:07 chunky; the wrong people were definitely in charge of the freedom movement
04:07 matey; not because im unfamiliar, some of it remains a mystery
04:07 chunky; stallman has basically sabotaged it w/o trying
04:07 chunky; just by being himself
04:08 chunky; i think the guy is a genius but he should have delegated the public figure stuff
04:08 matey; i mean youve got it backwards but
04:08 psydruid; microsoft only looks big because people allow it to look big
04:08 matey; i dont think its his public figure that has done the real damage tbh
04:08 matey; though its a common scapegoat
04:08 psydruid; in reality they are nothing and their solutions don't even work
04:08 schestowitz-TR; the size is not the issue
04:08 schestowitz-TR; it's the behaviour
04:08 psydruid; or not for long
04:08 chunky; github works fine because microsoft didn't build it
04:08 chunky; but they are screwing it up fairly quickly
04:09 schestowitz-TR; they are
04:09 matey; the size is not the issue <- it's the behaviour <- if you mean github, the two are definitely related
04:09 psydruid; microsoft could be ousted from every organization within a few years at most, but there are microsoft moles who keep it in place for selfish gains
04:09 matey; monopoly behaves like a monopoly
04:09 matey; monopoly becomes monopoly by behaving like one
04:10 matey; the size is a product of the monopoly
04:10 chunky; microsoft owning github and the most popular text editor on the market is a bad thing, they've fooled a lot of new and old devs alike by virtue signalling about how much they love open source
04:10 matey; and the most popular text editor on the market <- which?
04:10 chunky; "microsoft is good now!!!" jslover34
04:11 psydruid; I consider the devs the fools and make no excuses for them
04:11 matey; ^
04:11 matey; call me sentimental, i want projects run by people who give a shit about my freedom
04:11 chunky; that's pretty fair psydruid but ultimately everyone suffers for it
04:11 matey; people who hold the door open for microsoft are no better for free software than people who held the door open for the early january coup are for america
04:11 psydruid; if you are a good dev you can create anything from scratch given enough resources
04:12 chunky; and i think a lot of devs could be convinced to not prop up microsoft if they even had a clue about it
04:12 chunky; but most people just want to get stuff done and use the popular/available tools for the job
04:12 matey; which text editor is the most popular on the market?
04:12 chunky; vscode
04:12 matey; hehehe
04:12 chunky; and it's barely even open source
04:12 chunky; all the good features are proprietary plugins by microsoft
04:13 chunky; they've taken everyone for absolute fools!
04:13 matey; its what they do best
04:14 psydruid; I've avoided anything from microsoft for decades
04:14 psydruid; you never use it and don't become dependent on it
04:15 chunky; yeah i don't use any of their products
04:15 psydruid; but I understand the market has changed and embraced all of these "freebies"
04:15 psydruid; especially in "hip" fields like web development
04:17 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: I will try another pair of recovery modes, but failing that we can always recover fully, manually, though i assume Ariadne is afk (it would be better to also move to a newer OS while at it; should not be hard technically
04:17 chunky; i do a bit of webdev and there's absolutely no reason to use m$ products
04:18 chunky; the one good thing microsoft did was create LSP
04:20 matey; /me can access techrights.org, the wiki and an article, wonders whats down
04:20 chunky; maybe if it were hosted on azure it would be working fine
04:20 matey; granted its an old article and i didnt check any links on the front page
04:20 *chunky runs away FAST
04:21 psydruid; schestowitz-TR, I think it would be better to get Ariadne involved when available, because it's about several things I am not familiar with
04:21 matey; maybe if it were hosted on azure <- maybe if it were written on a macbook :)
04:21 chunky; hahahaha
04:21 matey; /me wonders what the linux-killing foundation uses for a server
04:21 psydruid; never used Azure or Oracle Cloud, only IBM Cloud with free credits
04:22 matey; i wonder if anyone has ever used a pickup truck chassis in a "server room"
04:22 psydruid; they all want that credit card info that I don't have
04:22 psydruid; at least not anymore
04:22 matey; either for bitcoin mining, or even an actual server (this would probably be in texas or something)
04:23 matey; its hard to imagine no one else has thought of it at least
04:23 chunky; i have to use google cloud stuff for work
04:23 matey; "why a pickup truck chassis?"
04:23 matey; "i mean, yknow, it was just sittin there"
04:23 matey; "and theyre real sturdy, so i just put the servers up on that on cinder blocks, an there ya go"
04:24 matey; "what kind of rack is that?"
04:24 matey; "its an old chevy"
04:26 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: yes, she's very helpful and better than me at those things
04:29 matey; psydruid: do you know whats actually down? its a mystery to me
04:30 psydruid; matey, one of the sites has a corrupt database, so it's offline now
04:30 matey; ust be tuxmachines, techrights seems fine
04:31 matey; ah yes, tuxmachines is doing 503
04:33 chunky; men of culture idb (in dis bitch)
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04:44 matey; kingoffrance no, as your punishment you must write 200 pages single spaced defining "state" and "rights" and "person" and "human" and "property" and "family" and how abolishing the "state" will magically lead to a coherent system instead of just meaningless gibberish and more confusion of tongues <- i knew it would come to this
04:45 matey; thats a terrible setup, it would be more coherent in less than 200 pages and its only going to be padded with more of the same problem
04:48 matey; "hai is shark in german" <- shark exists. man boat mein. boat paina mein. shark paina mein. humira shark.
04:49 matey; s/paina/pani
04:49 matey; i knew that was wrong
04:49 matey; main ishaan hoon
04:53 psydruid; haai is Dutch for German Hai
04:54 psydruid; main sochta hun ki hindi mein boat ko "kishti" bolte hain
04:54 matey; hmm
04:55 matey; distrowatch is using debian <- funny, i was sure they said they used bsd (freebsd?) and i used to think "good luck with that"
04:55 matey; /me doubts they use debian, but maybe its possible
04:58 chunky; what's wrong w/ freebsd?
04:58 chunky; i use it
04:58 psydruid; aur shark ko "grah", lekin ye shabd mujhe malum nahin tha
04:58 matey; what's wrong w/ freebsd? <- this was years before i switched to bsd, and figured they were makings things difficult for themselves
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05:00 psydruid; FreeBSD used to not fix bugs for years according to what some people told me, but I haven't had problems with 13.0 running on an older laptop
05:00 matey; /me gets "hangar" and "sark" for m / f hindi
05:01 psydruid; that is, until the hard drive broke
05:01 matey; my limited experience with freebsd was mostly positive
05:01 matey; t was my first bsd really
05:01 psydruid; it was for me too
05:02 psydruid; but it also depends on your hardware
05:02 matey; i would use it before midnightbsd :)
05:02 matey; it also depends on your hardwar <- hence "mostly" as it didnt install on the laptop
05:02 matey; surprisingly, openbsd did
05:02 psydruid; and after midnightbsd?
05:02 matey; after midnightbsd of course i would run dd
05:03 psydruid; OpenBSD installs on almost anything I've thrown at it
05:03 matey; i know someone who had trouble getting it onto an sbc
05:03 matey; lack of documentation
05:03 psydruid; I thought it would be something like earlymorningbsd or ghostbsd :)
05:04 matey; midnightbsd is both github based and a stallman backstabber
05:04 psydruid; yes, ARM support is a weakness
05:04 matey; i sometimes confuse it with mirbsd but im 85% certain mir is the good one
05:04 psydruid; I talked to some OpenBSD people this weekend
05:04 matey; nice, howd that go
05:05 psydruid; I think NetBSD is more suitable for ARM SBCs
05:05 psydruid; well, it was more of a general discussion
05:06 matey; I think NetBSD is more suitable for ARM SBCs <- thats what they went for instead
05:06 matey; on the sbc
05:07 matey; where kajol gets her cute from https://yewtu.be/watch?v=aR3wrIa1Iis
05:07 TR Bot; Raat Akeli Hai, Bhuj Gaye Diye(HQ) JEWEL THIEF (1967) - Invidious
05:10 psydruid; I don't know so much about that era of film and music
05:10 matey; but im sure youve seen kajol in something
05:11 matey; probably with shah rukh khan
05:11 psydruid; yes, I know her
05:11 matey; thats her mother
05:11 matey; from "jewel thief"
05:13 matey; whats funnier (imo) is that kajol played someone named anjeli opposite a girl named angeli and in jewel thief her mother is also named angeli
05:13 psydruid; sometimes I'm wondering if people in our family would have ended up in film and music if we had stayed in india
05:13 matey; or anjuli
05:14 matey; i dont know, it seems like the most common jobs are doctor, pharmacy, entertainment and it
05:14 psydruid; my grandparents were touring musicians long before I was born
05:14 matey; even if those are also stereotypes
05:14 psydruid; and also involved in theatre
05:15 matey; i never wanted to play the flute, but the tiny brass indian ones sound so fucking beautiful
05:15 matey; i think a lot of it is probably the style
05:15 psydruid; sometimes I find some of their music such as folk songs on youtube
05:16 matey; thats awesome
05:16 psydruid; recently even someone from india told me they know some of my relatives from suriname
05:17 matey; the internet definitely makes the world smaller
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05:21 psydruid; my generation is really the first in my family that had the opportunity to go to university, so becoming a doctor or an engineer wasn't really an option
05:21 matey; of course
05:21 matey; its like that for so many
05:23 matey; by the way if you see a good movie (or any movie) on t-series let me know-- i dont do netflix
05:23 matey; ive seen a bunch of them
05:23 matey; same for any other channel, if you watch movies at all i mean
05:23 psydruid; I do, but I don't watch that many
05:24 matey; i dont watch that many, though i try to
05:24 matey; subtitles arent important. sometimes i find them distracting but theyre not a dealbreaker
05:24 matey; theyre probably in 1/3 of what i watch
05:25 psydruid; with the number of languages I speak hindi movies are a small part of what I watch, although I do enjoy them at times
05:25 matey; of course
05:26 matey; and i never bother with english movies at all, not in years
05:26 psydruid; there are many older films also from shemaroo and yash raj
05:26 matey; i passionately hate hollywood
05:26 matey; i love yashraj
05:27 psydruid; I saw quite a mix of movies at film festivals
05:27 psydruid; I watch very little in the way of hollywood
05:27 matey; ive apart from the fact that the past 10-20 years are recycled everything
05:27 psydruid; it's all so hollow and inane
05:27 matey; i think to some degree thats true of bollywood too
05:28 psydruid; yes
05:28 matey; hollywood is like going to the mafia for entertainment
05:28 matey; as long as you have cash and never do anything they dont like, youre fine
05:28 psydruid; I've probably watched just as many Iranian movies over the years
05:28 matey; but you hear stories about what happens to other people, and youre like wtf
05:28 psydruid; which are not on netflix
05:29 matey; ive watched netflix just enough to be familiar with it
05:29 matey; but of course i dont own anything capable of playing it and ive never paid them for anything
05:29 matey; but ive lived with people who had it before
05:29 psydruid; I've never paid for it either
05:30 matey; i havent seen it in years, but ive binge watched stuff on it
05:30 matey; when people i know have technology id never want to own
05:30 matey; ill often play with it a couple times to get an idea
05:31 matey; ive used an xbox with the face recognition thing. i put something over my head too.
05:31 matey; i looked like the robot guy from the lmfao video
05:32 psydruid; it's just that you look for something on Netflix and you can't find anything
05:32 matey; granted ive only used an xbox about 3 times
05:32 psydruid; lol
05:32 matey; no, one of the experiences i had with netflix was that anything that was really good, they would pull after a few months!
05:32 matey; then they added commercials (that was after i stopped watching)
05:32 matey; and you pay them, to watch commercials
05:32 matey; wtf?
05:33 psydruid; movies from "unapproved country" in "unapproved language"
05:33 psydruid; zero results
05:33 psydruid; oh wow
05:33 matey; yeah thats when i deleted my youtube account
05:33 matey; when they started doing country restrictions i was like "you broke the internet, bye"
05:34 matey; didnt go back for years, then they wanted a phone number, so of course i didnt bother
05:34 psydruid; you can still get phone numbers without registration here
05:34 matey; sure
05:34 psydruid; but it's almost impossible anywhere else
05:34 matey; but its none of googles fucking business
05:34 activelow; don't ask what the remaining www experience is with netsurf-gtk gui browser and no other remaining
05:34 psydruid; yes
05:35 matey; which is only true by figure of speech, because of course googles business is literally being a nosy fuck
05:35 matey; i think weve all seen what the web is like with netsurf-gtk
05:36 activelow; yet i must admit, the remaining content is rather pleasent, no advertisements, no tracking, no cookies, no js, none of this
05:36 psydruid; I had my gmail account "recovered" a few days ago and they were asking for a current phone number, which I hadn't set
05:36 matey; google is terrible, i wouldnt host shit there
05:37 psydruid; if it doesn't work in netsurf, I consider it broken
05:37 matey; theres still some js worth loading (not a lot) and i have yet to see netsurf load any of it
05:37 psydruid; I have different e-mail addresses for different purposes
05:37 activelow; netsurf does implement the relevant w3c standards, these are _not_ obsolete, it is the content which doesn't recognize those standards anymore
05:37 matey; theres a js feature, aka crash instantly feature
05:38 matey; is netsurf to blame? probably. is pledge to blame? possibly
05:38 activelow; yes, too, with the w3c standards netsurf does implement, modern features including multimedia were possible too, yet GAFAM chose to implement theirs violating those w3c standards
05:38 matey; pledge is awesome but they wanted to get it working on ff simply because its basically a miracle
05:38 matey; and they did it
05:39 matey; sometimes you cant go to about:preferences but maybe thats reveal (which is less hardcoded anyway afaik)
05:39 matey; this is research of course-- its less of a product
05:39 matey; which is mostly a good thing, most of the time
05:40 matey; linus says fapping monkeys, but corporations fap all the time as well
05:40 matey; only difference is that openbsd cleans up after and corporations do it in your face
05:40 matey; like systemd isnt the biggest fap of all time
05:41 matey; jesus lennart, where i can go to get out of the line of fire?
05:41 matey; gentoo, here is your umbrella
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05:49 matey; raat akeli hai (american version... not really) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=C5TaeDhPUQQ
05:49 TR Bot; Lonely Is The Night - Invidious
05:51 psydruid; https://lateblt.livejournal.com/413260.html
05:51 TR Bot; My take on "You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy": lateblt LiveJournal
05:55 matey; abolishing private property would be better than letting the corporations abolish personal property
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05:55 matey; and if everything is smart and controlled with drm, theres is no personal property
05:56 matey; your car, your computer, your stereo, your air conditioner, your appliances, everything is leased from the company that makes it
05:56 matey; theyre trying to absolish personal property, and keep private property
05:57 matey; when people realise that, they will be less upset about abolishing private property
05:57 matey; realising that the ultimately outcome of private property is that corporations own everything, and people own nothing at all
05:58 matey; thats the direction weve been headed in since steve ballmer ran microsoft
05:58 matey; steve ballmer didnt manage to get microsoft into the cloud
05:58 matey; but he set the wheels in motion. now hes one of the 10 richest people on earth. not exactly the image of a failure, even if he is insane
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05:59 matey; where weve gotten to, at the hands of capitalism is basically this
05:59 matey; you can have 99% of the world own everything, OR
05:59 matey; you can have 1% of 1% of the world own everything
05:59 matey; pick one. there should be a third option-- theyve already gotten rid of it.
05:59 matey; so pick one.
06:00 matey; when enough people realise those are the choices, theyre going to choose to abolish private property, so that personal property isnt abolished
06:00 psydruid; I don't think people are aware of the extent to which they're being taken for a ride
06:00 matey; of course not
06:00 matey; the ride wouldnt last if people saw where it was going
06:01 matey; software is a microcosm of this
06:01 psydruid; or if they are aware if of they don't know what to do about it
06:01 matey; people like mincer assume its hopeless
06:01 psydruid; of it*
06:01 matey; based o failures that are put in a context that makes the good ideas seem the same as the bad ideas
06:01 matey; theyre completely separate ideas
06:01 psydruid; I'll keep fighting until the very end
06:02 psydruid; at least until my end
06:02 psydruid; but that's me
06:02 matey; unions arent the answer
06:02 matey; but theyre a step in the right direction
06:02 matey; a necessary step
06:04 matey; recent: https://nitter.fdn.fr/MITGradUnion
06:04 TR Bot; MIT Graduate Student Union (@MITGradUnion) | FDNitter
06:04 psydruid; if what is happening in Ukraine and happened in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan before is a sign of what is to come, we'll have more of the same elsewhere soon
06:05 matey; war can only get so bullshit until the military itself pushes for change
06:05 matey; and not from the top down
06:05 matey; and not necessarily in a violent coup per se
06:05 matey; of course it would be incredibly naive to think that everythings going to be gandhi and sitins
06:06 matey; but for example, consider the american revolution
06:06 TR News; "Moving on from legacy BIOS and Xorg, Raspberry Pi OS finally catches up with security basics, the UK government give us more reasons to be angry, the usual KDE goodness, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-172/
06:06 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 172 Late Night Linux
06:06 psydruid; I think that was rather a historical anomaly
06:06 matey; it really isnt, it just looks like one
06:06 matey; once you manage to put it in context of other things, it makes sense
06:06 matey; and paints SOME hope for the future
06:07 matey; im a pessimist, however
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06:07 psydruid; I meant the peace we have right now
06:07 matey; im a pessimist constantly on the lookout for reasons to avoid being a nihilist
06:07 matey; and things are bad right now.
06:07 matey; but the thing is, the american revolution wasnt america attacking britain
06:08 matey; they got together and simply said "no more"
06:08 matey; no fucking more
06:08 matey; and britain said "ok, then we will attack you"
06:08 matey; and america fought back
06:08 matey; this of course, is an incredibly oversimplification
06:08 matey; but if you want to win a revolution, you dont START the fight
06:08 psydruid; we need more of that attitude now
06:08 matey; you start living the way you should live, and the fight will come to you
06:09 matey; more people should read about the russian revolution
06:09 matey; not because it will be the same
06:09 matey; revolutions arent cookie cutter, theyre incredibly depedendent on context
06:09 matey; other revolutions dont look the same
06:09 matey; no two are identical
06:09 matey; or whoever said history doesnt repeat itself, but it often rhymes
06:10 matey; youll know when revolution is here because everyone will be talking about it
06:10 matey; openly
06:10 schestowitz-TR; we are building a test machine for tuxmachines
06:10 matey; but if you look around, people are talking more and more
06:10 matey; everywhere
06:10 schestowitz-TR; devuan probably, might export to gemini also (160,000+ pages)
06:13 matey; one of the most important things for people to understand about revolution isnt even revolution
06:13 matey; but what counterrevolution looks like
06:13 matey; for free software, counterrevolution looks like (is) open source
06:13 matey; but history is full of counterrevolution
06:13 schestowitz-TR; maybe not initially
06:13 schestowitz-TR; OSI
06:14 matey; the conditions that led to stalinism and the conditions that led to the osi you see today are similar
06:14 matey; stalin, funnily enough, wasnt originally hitler
06:14 matey; he was originally just kind of a cunt
06:15 matey; like esr he was jealous of people like lenin and trotsky
06:15 matey; ultimately he had all the bolsheviks murdered
06:15 matey; the people who created the revolution, who won it-- he knew they were the greatest threat to his bureaucracy
06:16 matey; and at some point the bureaucracy became more important than the workers
06:16 matey; and once that happens, the workers are the threat
06:16 matey; stalin created a monster out of himself
06:17 psydruid; that's where we seem to be at when it comes to free^Wopen source software
06:17 matey; starved and murdered millions
06:17 matey; well at least esr isnt at the helm of this monstrosity
06:17 matey; but the "modest" beginnings of osi (which within one year were running off the track, if we believe perens in his 1999 letteR)
06:18 matey; had already co-opted free software
06:18 matey; and ive always tried to understand why
06:18 matey; ive spent years trying to come up with some reason other than "esr was jealous"
06:18 matey; ive looked at pretty much every story on techrights too
06:18 matey; minus the epo stuff
06:19 matey; ive even talked to esr
06:19 matey; stalins rise to power started modest-- and with jealous
06:19 matey; jealousy
06:20 matey; and it led to a chain reaction of sacrifices of good for less good
06:20 matey; leading to one of the most terrible governments in the history of civilisation
06:20 matey; by far
06:20 psydruid; esr's claim to fame was more important than letting free software thrive?
06:21 matey; and almost certainly inspiring the only ones that were worse (on a competing scale at least)
06:21 matey; esr's claim to fame was more important than letting free software thrive? <- almost beyond any doubt
06:21 matey; id LOVE a better theory
06:21 TR News; Keeping algae in check with a DIY pond monitor | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/keeping-algae-in-check-with-a-diy-pond-monitor/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
06:21 Alternative link; CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/keeping-algae-in-check-with-a-diy-pond-monitor/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/keeping-algae-in-check-with-a-diy-pond-monitor/
06:21 matey; because if the truth comes down to something that petty, no one believes it
06:21 TR Bot; Keeping algae in check with a DIY pond monitor | Arduino Blog
06:21 matey; now this isnt openbsd, this is ORIGINAL bsd history
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06:22 psydruid; wasn't he put there as a puppet for the closed source software industry?
06:22 matey; kirk mckusick of bsd and freebsd
06:22 SomeH4x0r; hi
06:22 schestowitz-TR; 0.
06:22 matey; says of linus
06:23 matey; linus said that if bsd had been available (at&t lawsuit etc)
06:23 matey; he wouldnt have written linux
06:23 matey; but then by the time bsd was freely available, linux was a thing
06:23 psydruid;
06:23 matey; and i think mckusick was sort of joking that at that point he could have simply ported / adapted a better (bsd) kernel instead
06:23 matey; but by then it was running on its own steam
06:24 matey; so today we have this... i mean you can see what linux is not
06:24 matey; is now ^
06:24 matey; its a sort of corporate gangbang now
06:24 psydruid; a nice throwaway kernel
06:24 matey; fsvo nice
06:24 psydruid; lol
06:25 matey; but linux and open source (hand in hand) were absolutely a counterrevolution
06:25 psydruid; I think linux may get abandoned before any of the less corporate kernels
06:25 matey; and i think both open source and the kernel are the way they are because of ego stuff
06:25 matey; and i mean ego stuff is common
06:25 psydruid; even illumos may outlive it at some point
06:25 matey; but the level of... fuckery
06:26 matey; i cant imagine illumos ever being relevant, but you know a lot more about this shit than i do
06:27 matey; i originally turned my nose up at mp3 because id always wanted flac
06:27 matey; and except for a couple experiments, ive simply never used flac
06:27 psydruid; it still does quite a few things better than gnu/linux does, but its footprint is too large
06:27 matey; but when mp3 came out i was like "bah, why"
06:27 psydruid; so while gnu/linux ballooned, so did Illumos
06:27 matey; flac is the ccompressed music i imagined before it existed
06:27 matey; not mp3
06:28 matey; its footprint is too larg <- linux is already a beat
06:28 matey; beast
06:28 matey; i mean we should be able to port software to tiny things
06:28 matey; maybe not internet of trash tiny
06:28 psydruid; I only created mp3s on a per case basis
06:28 matey; but you know, we should be able to use the same os on a router and a mainframe really
06:29 psydruid; now there isn't a point anymore
06:29 matey; whether its the best option is another matter
06:29 psydruid; linux is also becoming too large, which us natural
06:29 matey; i dont think natural is the right word
06:29 matey; maybe you mean typical
06:30 psydruid; but therefore other things will take its place
06:30 matey; some projects stay small without being abandoned
06:30 psydruid; well, typical is probably the right word
06:30 psydruid; but it happens even to BSD kernels
06:30 matey; sure, you can bastardise bsd like anything else
06:31 matey; how the ecosystem works around that is what matters
06:31 psydruid; OpenBSD kernels have grown in size too over the years
06:31 matey; i know stallman hates that word. if he cant offer a replacement and the concept is useful then its too fucking bad
06:32 matey; OpenBSD kernels have grown in size too over the years <- of course
06:32 matey; but its not a dumping ground the way that linux is
06:32 matey; and if it was, someone would (hopefully) fork it into a non-dumping ground
06:33 matey; the thing i worry about most is whether its forkable
06:33 psydruid; I think the world needed at least one dumping ground
06:33 matey; if its forkable you can salvage it, if its forkable you have freedom 3
06:33 matey; if its pretend-forkable like a lot of gnu, theres no freedom 3, its imaginary
06:33 psydruid; that doesn't mean we should all use that dumping ground
06:33 matey; I think the world needed at least one dumping ground <- windows isnt good enough?
06:34 psydruid; unfortunately not
06:34 matey; the harder it is to fork, the more doomed it is
06:34 psydruid; it doesn't even meet Linux's already low standards
06:35 matey; this is basic freedom 3, but from an angle the fsf gets wrong
06:35 matey; so they fail to protect freedom 3, even while demanding it in theory
06:36 matey; they have a piece of paper that says you have freedom 3 on paper
06:36 matey; but you cant find freedom 3 in the wild
06:36 matey; you just have to trust god
06:36 matey; stallmans an atheist, he should know better
06:37 matey; freedom 0, freedom 1, freedom 2 and faith 3
06:37 psydruid; it looks like going to trial in a sham court
06:38 matey; one guy in here says he knows some people who forked the linux kernel so maybe im wrong
06:38 psydruid; as long as you can parrot the freedoms you are free to live as a parrot
06:38 matey; but i dont think the world is going to see a linux fork
06:38 psydruid; I hope the world will see many linux forks
06:38 psydruid; but I don't think it's going to happen
06:39 matey; the thing is, if you have something thats underrated and easy to fork
06:39 matey; and you have something thats overrated and really difficult to fork
06:39 matey; its not hard to guess whats going to happen in terms of forks later on
06:39 activelow; OpenBSD switched to llvm/clang
06:39 psydruid; other than the "forks" that already exist on current kernel developers' drives
06:39 matey; i think everyone is going to switch to llvm/clang. i am not saying this as a fan.
06:40 matey; i taught someone how to use gcc recently
06:40 matey; theyve used it since then
06:40 activelow; a kernel which can be compiled with a c++ compiler only (llvm is a c++ compiler, written in c++), no thanks
06:40 activelow; and the BSD pushed aggresively towards llvm, linux too
06:41 matey; i wonder when c became impossibly bloated under our noses really
06:41 matey; another mystery
06:41 psydruid; I think it's going to happen too
06:41 psydruid; but for reasons of hackability
06:41 matey; mincer will like my associates quote "bloat is sort of like the state"
06:42 activelow; C itself, although troublesome, isn't impossibly; it is the compilers, with a demaracation line drawn at C11 features
06:43 activelow; *isn't impossibly bloated
06:43 matey; actually it was "bloat is a lot like the state, really."
06:44 matey; "it is the compilers" first it is the compilers
06:44 matey; then it is the compiled programs
06:44 matey; then the language changes
06:45 matey; we can use sane languages while programs are written in them
06:45 matey; then when programs shift towards insane languages, so do we
06:45 matey; and its via the compilers but ultimately its the culture that shits itself
06:45 matey; the only solution is to fix the culture-- the software will echo the culture
06:46 matey; if the culture is sane the tools will be sane
06:46 matey; if not at first then as they are worked on
06:46 matey; and vice versa, if the culture is nuts, the tools will be ridiculous
06:46 psydruid; it's failure on multiple levels
06:46 matey; yes
06:46 matey; but tools always conform to culture, with exceptions that come and go
06:47 matey; tools can change culture, but only if culture is ready to make the mistake (or progress)
06:47 matey; culture is always at a crossroads
06:47 matey; sometimes it makes a good choice, other times it does something really stupid
06:47 psydruid; if no one documented how the first free software was developed people are doomed to reinvent it, because the process got lost
06:47 matey; youre talking about collective history
06:48 matey; which is one of the most important things about a culture
06:48 matey; its fucking nearly synonymous
06:48 matey; collective historical awareness
06:48 matey; has much more to do with the present than the past
06:49 matey; the past didnt just shape the present once
06:49 matey; it is constantly shaping the present
06:49 matey; the future also shapes the present
06:49 matey; although people dont think of it that way
06:49 matey; their perception of the future is constantly shaping the present
06:50 matey; but their perception of the past does at least as much
06:50 matey; if we dont understand the past, we fuck with the present and the future
06:50 matey; most of the most important information we have comes from the past
06:50 psydruid; if there were history books (unix v7, MINIX, bsd), you could go back and build a better future from there skipping over the present
06:51 AdmFubar; https://www.thedailybeast.com/psilocybin-magic-mushrooms-fight-depression-better-than-normal-medication-study-suggests?source=articles&via=rss
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06:51 TR Bot; Psilocybin Magic Mushrooms Fight Depression Better Than Normal Medication, Study Suggests
06:51 matey; history is very important
06:51 matey; the present is also somewhat important
06:51 matey; even now, people are making good decisions we can learn from
06:51 matey; but lots more people are making stupid decisions right now
06:51 psydruid; I consider gnu/linux a deadend
06:51 matey; we have to be able to tell the difference
06:52 matey; it is a dead end
06:52 matey; if i ran the world there would be a museum for gnu
06:52 matey; before they fuck it up any worse
06:52 matey; youd still be free to work on it of course
06:52 matey; ie to continue fucking it up
06:52 matey; its freely licensed
06:53 matey; then people would have a museum to look back on before it fucked itself
06:53 matey; before fucking half of it was run by fucking microsoft
06:53 matey; idiots
06:53 matey; seriously, idiots!
06:54 matey; dumb shit like this is what put stalin power
06:54 matey; in power
06:54 psydruid; gnu/linux has found a new home at microsoft and its abusive dad ibm
06:54 matey; big disasters always start with little stupid things
06:54 matey; like running windows on a fucking oil rig.
06:54 matey; an oil rig!
06:54 matey; and what happened, a fucking disaster
06:55 matey; running windows on hospital equipment
06:55 matey; so people see disasters like the deepwater horizon
06:55 matey; like hospital equipment fucking up
06:55 matey; and some stupid fuck at gnu says
06:55 matey; hey, ive got a great idea!
06:55 matey; lets trust these fuckwits with our gnu project!
06:55 matey; fucking stupid.
06:55 matey; its not even gnu at that point
06:55 matey; its just fucking dumb.
06:55 psydruid; systemdead at the hospital
06:56 matey; so yeah, build gnu a museum
06:56 matey; so people can see what it was before it was fucking stupid.
06:56 psydruid; humandead at the hospital
06:56 chunky; u use emacs + u suffer from jaundice + slipknot + u got a DNA test for all of ur children + u pay for spotify
06:56 matey; brb
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06:57 matey; at least gnu is making these mistakes in public
06:57 matey; where more people can learn from them
06:57 matey; too bad the public isnt more keen on learning
06:57 matey; too bad gnu isnt either
06:58 matey; "how to fuck up your revolution"
06:58 matey; stalin made a pact with hitler for fucks sake
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 55.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 81.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 349.48
06:59 chunky; "Sorry we had to shut down your oil rig for updates"
07:00 matey; stalin wasnt the worst communist in history, but he almost certainly inspired (and was one of) the worst communists in history
07:00 chunky; ATTENTION
07:00 chunky;
07:00 chunky;
07:00 chunky; Windows Protection Error
07:00 chunky;
07:00 chunky;
07:00 chunky; A fatal exception 0E has occured at 0028:C0011E36 in
07:00 chunky; VXD VMM(01) + 00010E36. The current application will
07:00 chunky; be terminated.
07:00 chunky;
07:00 chunky; * Press any key to terminate the current application.
07:00 chunky; * Press CTRL+ALT+DEL again to restart your computer.
07:00 chunky; You will lose any unsaved information in all applications.
07:00 chunky;
07:00 chunky; Press any key to continue _
07:00 chunky;
07:00 matey; the worst sorts of "communism" take many pages from him
07:00 matey; and they often get similar reults
07:01 matey; you see a lot of mistakes being made in free software
07:01 matey; ones that will destroy the movement for a while
07:01 matey; could take years to rebuild
07:02 matey; imo already has taken years. ive called systemd a cyberweapon against software freedom
07:02 matey; its certainly effective
07:02 psydruid; I hope some people eventually will do just that
07:02 matey; freedom matters
07:02 chunky; sometimes i wake up at night sweating thinking about how i use systemd and it makes me feel like i deserve to live in a sewage processing plant
07:03 psydruid; maybe the likes of alan cox and activelow
07:03 matey; and the answer isnt going pre-industrialist like pol pot wanted
07:03 matey; i have no faith in alan cox. dont hate him or anything
07:03 matey; he does some neat stuff
07:03 matey; but he also really doesnt give a shit
07:03 matey; so maybe someone who gives a shit can learn from his tech and apply it
07:03 matey; but cox wont lead anything
07:03 matey; he wont even follow anything
07:04 matey; cox personality wise reminds me so much of linus i think they must be close relatives
07:05 matey; most technologists dont give a shit about "other things"
07:05 matey; stallman does, thats too rare
07:05 matey; but free software is built on giving a shit about more than just tech
07:05 matey; open source is like "we get it. you dont care. neither do we. join us."
07:06 psydruid; it looks like most technologists care about some things
07:06 matey; sure, the thing about blanket statements is none of them are true :)
07:06 psydruid; like screwing over others for their personal gain
07:06 matey; i mean thats corporate culture
07:06 psydruid; even whole societies
07:06 matey; society is owned by corporations
07:07 matey; sure, the thing about blanket statements is none of them are true <- for kingoffrance
07:08 psydruid; "world economic forum" for "society"
07:08 matey; heh
07:09 matey; madmen and upper class twits
07:09 psydruid; makes me want to colonize mars to get away from all of these twats
07:09 psydruid; but mincer would say the problem is us humans
07:11 chunky; how can i cure my systemd dependence?
07:11 psydruid; you are on freebsd so you have no systemd
07:12 matey; mincer has run out of solutions
07:12 matey; with that said hes funny as hell and smarter than average
07:12 matey; being smart sucks
07:12 matey; it means you too often know how full of shit people are
07:12 matey; how bullshit so many things are
07:12 matey; being smart makes you more likely to feel depressed and hopeless
07:13 matey; as the same time, fighting that all your life can make you seriously fucking hilarious.
07:13 matey; or suicidal
07:13 matey; mincer is both
07:13 matey; hes an extremely funny person, and hes waiting for the entire species to kill itself
07:13 matey; suicide by proxy, times billions
07:14 matey; im not saying hes likely to off himself, just that he wouldnt say no to the entire species doing it
07:14 matey; but thats a KIND of suicidal.
07:14 psydruid; then he wins
07:15 matey; theres a talk that daniel quinn gave once called "the little engine that couldnt"
07:15 matey; which is very much a response to what mincer says
07:15 chunky; psydruid: i use arch on this machine
07:15 matey; but this idea that the human race itself is so fundamentally fucked that it cant justify its existence
07:15 chunky; i have a laptop w/ freebsd and i run it on any servers where i get to choose the OS
07:15 matey; humanity is still fucking young
07:16 matey; look at a toddler ffs
07:16 matey; how can a toddler justify its existence? its the centre of its own universe and simply destroys everything until it gets its way
07:16 activelow; there isn't any clean distribution remaining; not at least BaphometOS, which requires gcc-4.7 still
07:16 matey; then it carries on its reign of destruction, while crying, laughing and shitting everywhere
07:17 matey; and this grows into something that can give a shit about other people
07:17 activelow; nonetheless, my IRC box and firewall are already migrated to the c-only system profile of baphometos
07:17 matey; something that can reason and create and plan and make sense (sometimes)
07:17 activelow; meaning, if it can be fed into tinycc compiler, baphometos will be the _last_ remaining
07:17 matey; its very clear that humanity is in a toddler like state
07:18 matey; or maybe its teens
07:18 matey; and you know teen angst and teen suicide are very common themes
07:18 matey; humanity needs to grow up, and its trying
07:18 activelow; currently, baphometos is the last line of defense against gnu/linux/gcc and bsd/llvm distributions
07:19 matey; its hard to look at a pissed off teen whose life is going nowhere, and try to figure out what you can even do with such a person
07:19 matey; and yet some people manage just that
07:19 matey; i havent given up on humanity yet, though ive gotten awfully close a bunch of times
07:19 matey; to where im like "yeah, go ahead humanity, just kill yourself"
07:20 matey; but usually only for a day.
07:20 matey; i havent got that outlook like mincer does
07:20 matey; and yet i agree with him on like 95% of the problem
07:20 matey; its the rest of the picture that makes the world of difference
07:21 matey; the thing is, even mincer still sort of believes in human evolution as a concept
07:21 matey; but its obvious he barely manages to cling to it
07:21 psydruid; mincer loves minced meat
07:22 matey; i dont think ive ever had it
07:22 matey; unless it was an ingredient in something
07:22 psydruid; that was figuratively speaking
07:23 matey; im not hopeless about free software either
07:23 matey; its just that a lot of shits going to be very ugly
07:23 psydruid; one of the things I realized a long time ago is that you can't stop people from dying
07:23 matey; and i have no patiences for people polishing a golden turd
07:23 psydruid; I'm not pessimistic at all
07:24 psydruid; it's just that gnu/linux is an evolutionary dead end
07:24 matey; its missing freedom 3
07:25 matey; but it swears otherwise, so thats the same as actually having it
07:25 activelow; freedom 3, which was?
07:25 psydruid; but baphometos can save it and also humanity
07:25 matey; REALLY, YOU HAVE IT! LOOK AT THE LICENSE!
07:25 psydruid; and the galaxy
07:25 matey; i think baph is most useful as a tutorial
07:25 matey; and performance art
07:25 matey; if more people watched baph being made
07:26 matey; they woudl learn something
07:26 matey; it might change the way they do things
07:26 matey; this is about all the praise i can muster for something based on the linux kernel
07:26 matey; but im not being charitable
07:26 matey; and im not joking either
07:30 psydruid; you are being fair
07:33 matey; i always try to be fair
07:33 matey; its neither easy nor (imo) simple
07:33 matey; because people are fucked up, almost like mincer says
07:33 matey; almost
07:33 matey; also i didnt learn fairness from my parents
07:34 matey; i had to teach myself
07:34 matey; i mean everybody can be fair to themselves, except masochists
07:34 matey; simple, just give yourself loads of slack
07:34 matey; being fair to other people is tricky
07:35 matey; im using the word masochists as a joke, lots of people are actually really hard on themselves
07:35 matey; for various reasons
07:35 matey; suicide almost always happens to the wrong people
07:36 matey; its almost never the people who can really make the world a better place by doing that
07:36 matey; but lets say youre fair to yourself
07:36 matey; being fair to other people is usually the tricky bit
07:37 SomeH4x0r; could go to some corporation building and bomb oneself
07:37 matey; i dont think that would help much
07:37 matey; ive never seen much accomplished by people doing that either
07:37 matey; the best way to be a martyr is to get killed by someone other than yourself
07:38 matey; also martyrdom is not necessarily the best route to progress
07:39 matey; martyrs have get this idea that the best way to get progress is to figure out how much your life is worth
07:39 matey; and then they just try to cash that in on a one-time payment
07:39 matey; you can make an economic argument that its stupid. i think most people go for an argument that its insane
07:39 matey; but im sceptical that its the most useful course of action
07:41 matey; che guevara was a martyr, and imo roughly useless as a revolutionary
07:41 matey; he probably did everything wrong
07:42 matey; most revolutionaries that make any sense dont propose anything remotely like what he did
07:42 matey; starting out by resorting to violence in general is fucking stupid
07:42 matey; thats not the same as being pacifist
07:43 matey; somewhere between gandhi and che theres a good idea
07:43 matey; but theres an awful lot of ideas between gandhi and che
07:44 matey; gandhi was a bit of a charlatan
07:44 matey; a lot of people i know would laugh at the understatement
07:45 matey; i like thoreau and mlk
07:46 matey; thoreau inspired both gandhi and mlk, and one of the reasons he was a minimalist was "voluntary poverty" to avoid being taxed and having taxes go to wars he thought were bullshit
07:46 matey; not because he was a pacifist, afaik he just didnt like profiteering
07:47 matey; thoreau inspires a lot of my approach to software
07:48 matey; though so does one gandhi quote, from the movie, which may not even be his
07:51 matey; for whatever reason, gandhi pushed the importance of homespun fabric
07:51 matey; the mainstream western version of this is "buy local"
07:53 matey; i got so tired of stores using "buy local" as an opportunity to milk customer and craftmaker alike that i wanted to wear a parody shirt to mock it
07:54 matey; i wanted something to show two objects with quantum entanglement and for it to say "bi-local"
07:54 matey; but i didnt think people would get it was a protest, and i dont have shirts made very often
07:54 matey; it still would be a fun shirt though
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07:55 matey; people could say "oh, heh, like buy local and i could say "yes, except it actually means something"
07:57 matey; "On 23 December 2019, Drupal patched an arbitrary file upload flaw. The file-upload flaw affects Drupal 8.8.x before 8.8.1 and 8.7.x before 8.7.11, and the vulnerability is listed as moderately critical by Drupal."
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.73 k/sec., IPFS upstream 102.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 335.95
07:59 matey; "In late March 2018, a patch for vulnerability CVE-2018-7600, also dubbed Drupalgeddon2, was released. The underlying bug allows remote attackers without special roles or permissions to take complete control of Drupal 6, 7, and 8 sites."
07:59 matey; ouch
08:04 matey; "Kris Buytaert is one of instigators of the devops movement and a long time Linux and Open Source Consultant."
08:04 *activelow hasn't decided about a CMS yet
08:04 matey; he also signed the anti-rms letter
08:04 activelow; if a static site generator suffices, i'll choose this
08:05 SomeH4x0r; I should have signed both letters just for fun
08:06 chunky; hugo is a very good static site generator
08:08 matey; /me is sure its fun for 3000 idiots to say all sorts of horrible generally untrue things about you and then sign it while demanding for a second time you get deposed from the very thing you founded thirty fucking years ago
08:09 matey; but some people just dont give a fuck
08:14 matey; at any rate i can be pretty sure that 90%+ of the people who signed it dont give a shit about my freedom, nor stallmans, and not likely anyone elses
08:14 matey; but im not a statistician, so i cant be completely sure
08:15 matey; ironically, mjg is. he MIGHT be able to help me figure it out, but i wouldnt count on it.
08:16 matey; then again, taking it in school and doing it on a daily basis are two different things
08:17 matey; but lets assume for one moment theyre the same, and-- same conclusion
08:17 matey; we could simply invoke sturgeons law
08:20 mjg59_; My stats is pretty out of date
08:21 mjg59_; Over a decade since I really did statistical analysis of anything
08:21 matey; it was mostly rhetorical
08:21 matey; still you have far more statistics training than i do
08:21 mjg59_; I even used to teach some!
08:21 matey; there you go
08:22 mjg59_; It's usually taught dreadfully
08:22 matey; most things are
08:22 matey; teaching i figure, isnt taught well either
08:22 matey; though i dont always blame the teachers. schools DO get in the way
08:22 matey; and the state in the way of the schools
08:22 matey; sometimes in good ways, and certainly not always
08:23 mjg59_; Eh this was at Cambridge, I think blaming the teachers there is legit
08:23 matey; ive never heard of a school where all the teachers were good
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08:39 SomeH4x0r; no idea why would one go work into a weird education system which damages children mental health for their entire life
08:40 matey; i think a lot of people view university as separate from that
08:40 matey; which i agree and disagree with
08:40 SomeH4x0r; past child education it is probably different
08:40 matey; child education has barely evolved in 1000 years, though its certainly scaled up a bit
08:41 SomeH4x0r; I meant to say adult education
08:41 matey; also children are beaten less, though most abuse (at school or anywhere else) isnt physical in nature
08:41 SomeH4x0r; governments treats children as slaves of their parents
08:41 matey; yes and no
08:42 matey; one of the goals of marxism is to make it so that children arent property of the state or their parents
08:42 SomeH4x0r; some restrictions of course, but otherwise yes
08:42 SomeH4x0r; I'm for banning of reproduction
08:42 matey; in a society where basic needs are taken care of, you dont technically have to raise, feed or even clothe your kids
08:43 matey; I'm for banning of reproduction <- somehow i think thats worse
08:43 matey; china and nazi germany have both toyed with that idea, rather infamously
08:43 matey; unfortunately mike godwin was still born
08:44 matey; or i should say, born anyway
08:44 SomeH4x0r; though I got my mental health damaged by parent stupidity and I am now unhappy when I see kids or pets
08:44 matey; a lot of mental health problems are treatable
08:44 matey; which isnt as good as prevention obviously
08:45 matey; but prevention isnt the last option
08:46 SomeH4x0r; won't forget "baby talk" and not taking children seriously, and lies
08:47 matey; i think baby talk is well intentioned
08:48 matey; its always been my inclination to talk to babies with normal language
08:48 SomeH4x0r; years of my life were wasted on stupid things my parents have had no interest in, but pretended like they did
08:48 matey; i dont think most people have great parents
08:48 matey; some at least have decent parents
08:49 SomeH4x0r; I don't talk to kids, at least on purpose. Thanks to evil laws, if one is less than 13 on the Internet, they'd better not disclose it.
08:49 matey; that was a naive law, at best
08:50 matey; its the sort of law they pass to prevent a mob
08:50 SomeH4x0r; oh, though I talk to some people who are less than 18, but I don't treat them any different
08:51 SomeH4x0r; wasting one's time on purpose is not productive at all, and people generally don't know when they die
08:52 matey; unfortunatly society is full of time sinks
08:52 SomeH4x0r; parents waste 18 years of their lives at least. A lot can happen during this time, wars escalate in a few days sometimes.
08:53 matey; a lot of parents dont consider it a waste of time
08:53 SomeH4x0r; I want to not have persistent people in my home, so they don't annoy me
08:54 SomeH4x0r; I don't get marriage and childbirth
08:54 matey; i think your take on this is highly subjective and probably doesnt explain society in general
08:54 matey; of course everyones take is subjective, some takes more than others
08:55 matey; marriage of course isnt required for childbirth
08:56 matey; a lot of people prefer childbirth in a situation where someone has promised to help them for a really long time
08:57 matey; childbirth isnt required for marriage either
08:57 matey; some people just like knowing someone has promised to help them for a really long time
08:59 SomeH4x0r; it is weird, I don't imagine having children with my IRC friends no matter what they do
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08:59 matey; i dont think thats weird
08:59 matey; most people dont imagine having kids with someone until theyve at least met in person
09:00 matey; id say if youre not inclined to think of anyone as a life partner, youre a lot less likely to imagine having kids with them
09:01 SomeH4x0r; and I'm just too tired from my parents, would need to spend a while without persistent people at least before I feel better, if I ever do
09:01 matey; of course
09:01 matey; then again, if you dont want kids, you shouldnt have them
09:02 SomeH4x0r; I want offline AI to talk with
09:02 SomeH4x0r; though I won't want it anymore at some point as computers would turn into government abuse machines
09:02 matey; are you certain that would fulfil your needs for communication?
09:03 matey; yeah i mean most machines can be listened to from either the airwaves or the electrical system
09:04 matey; if you managed to shield your computer and monitor and keyboard sufficiently, its still possible to tap the power to your home
09:04 SomeH4x0r; not sure, though not sure if a properly isolated human would fulfil them either
09:04 matey; why isolated?
09:04 SomeH4x0r; so they don't leak stuff
09:05 SomeH4x0r; I try not to put random stuff I hear into search engines. Others probably will.
09:05 matey; i think you have an exaggerated case of a reasonable concern there
09:06 matey; or an extreme case of a reasonable concern
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09:15 matey; healthy relationships are based on the right level of trust
09:15 matey; too trusting and youll be taken advantage of, sometimes, maybe often
09:16 matey; not trusting enough and youll never gain the full benefits of friendship
09:16 matey; i started talking to a girl not too long ago, just as a friend
09:16 matey; shes in her late 30s
09:17 matey; she let me into her home to give me something, even though i did not need to enter her home to get it
09:17 matey; she joined me for lunch but was against either of us eating in her home, which is perfectly reasonable
09:18 matey; though from the details of what she said it was clear she trusted me enough to let me into her home, as long as i didnt stay there for lunch
09:18 matey; which i personally think is a bit weird, but not terribly
09:18 matey; i suppose lunch is a different level of comfortable than letting me in for a moment, even when i didnt need to enter at all
09:19 matey; but the point is that the entire time i knew her
09:19 matey; it was a mix of randomly displaying comfort and trust and the lack of an ordinary level of comfort and trust
09:19 SomeH4x0r; I have issues socializing irl, it is better on the Internet, but then the government will take the Internet and I will have to leave
09:19 matey; if there had been an adequate level of communication we could have worked around that
09:20 matey; but every conversation was the same way as the rest of the interaction
09:20 matey; she clearly has trust issues and i appreciate that
09:20 matey; but i was unable to find a way to navigate those, tried as i might
09:20 matey; ultimately i decided to leave her alone, as i felt that would make her more comfortable
09:21 matey; i appreciate her making the effort, and i tried to return the favour
09:21 matey; but i just didnt have any confidence it was doing either of us any good
09:22 matey; she has 5 ways to contact me-- more than most (i didnt supply all of them)
09:22 matey; she hasnt used any of them, i think i made the right choice.
09:23 matey; or maybe she feels bad, but either way it was just way too much trouble
09:25 matey; do you have cb radio in your country?
09:26 matey; ive known people who have serious problems interacting with people (on and off the spectrum) who enjoyed dealing with people over radio instead
09:26 matey; one is a ham operator but uses it a lot like cb
09:26 matey; the other had a cb radio in her home
09:27 matey; before the internet was common, a number of people had cb radios in their homes
09:27 SomeH4x0r; no idea if there is, but I only have FM receivers
09:30 matey; https://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Ham_Radio/Regional/Ukraine/ https://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Ham_Radio/Clubs/Europe/Ukraine/
09:30 TR Bot; : Ham Radio in Ukraine - The DXZone.com
09:30 TR Bot; Amateur radio clubs in Ukraine : Amateur radio clubs in Ukraine
09:30 SomeH4x0r; anyway, there is another person on IRC I know who is/was interested in this topic
09:32 SomeH4x0r; just realized there is a siren outside, bbl
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09:33 matey; "According to the media outlet Kyiv Independent, amateur radio transmitting devices have been suspended under the newly approved country-wide state of emergency."
09:33 matey; ffs
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09:38 matey; lol
09:38 matey; https://www.insider.com/hackers-change-call-sign-of-putin-linked-superyacht-to-fckptn-2022-3
09:38 Alternative link; CloudFlare: insider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.insider.com/hackers-change-call-sign-of-putin-linked-superyacht-to-fckptn-2022-3 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.insider.com/hackers-change-call-sign-of-putin-linked-superyacht-to-fckptn-2022-3
09:38 TR Bot; Hackers Change Call Sign of Putin-Linked Superyacht to 'FCKPTN'
09:39 matey; "You cannot change AIS data by hacking into the AIS transponder of a ship. This was done by feeding fake AIS messages into marinetraffic.com, something that everyone can do."
09:39 matey; "A friend of mine once wrote a small script that fed the data of 14 fake ships into marinetraffic.com, resulting in a clock drawn at sea (12 for each hour position in a circle) and two acting as hour and minute hands."
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09:41 kingoffrance; just came to say i wont be back, cant be "governed" by "luciferian" MinceR with what could amount to an invisible undeclared CoCs. thats my pass T8Aq5735GYRmXTYb if anyone shows up on this server it aint me. seen enough trumpism nonsense from "anarchists" for one lifetime matey has a great sense of humor lol enjoy the "anarchy" with corporate "persons" as "god" i guess, inquisition 2.0 invisible "law" invisible "crimes" invisible "court
09:41 kingoffrance; s" lol adios amigos, you can ban my IP would be appreciated ANARCHY!!!
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09:52 matey; that was unexpected
09:54 matey; cheers kingoffrance
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10:04 matey; kof has been pretty chill every day ive known him, so i would have never expected burnout
10:04 matey; or for him to take mincer (too) seriously
10:04 matey; every day ive known him <- for more than a year
10:05 activelow; :(
10:06 matey; anarchy is a reasonable goal, i only differ enough on how to get there that i have to turn in my "anarchist" card
10:06 matey; i can probably get it back later, when i dont need it anyway
10:06 *activelow did not follow the drama
10:06 matey; eh
10:06 activelow; exactly why did he leave?
10:07 matey; im blaming msg.
10:07 activelow; ?
10:07 matey; long story
10:07 matey; but seriously, im calling burnout
10:08 matey; i just wasnt expecting it from him
10:09 matey; i still think hes cool by the way
10:09 matey; burnout makes people quit
10:09 matey; or think they have to
10:14 matey; as for how to live without a state...
10:14 matey; humanity has done that for most of its existence
10:14 activelow; "humanity" is an _abstract_
10:14 matey; fair enough
10:15 matey; by "humanity" i mean the billions of people on the face of the planet at a given time
10:15 matey; in this instance i mean the ones on the planet right now
10:15 matey; though i wont promise to never speak of humanity in a historical context
10:15 activelow; unspecific again, then how do the billions live, where and when?
10:16 matey; actually in this instance im speaking of all the people who have lived on earth up to and including this point
10:16 matey; unspecific again <- you want me to be specific about every person ever?
10:16 activelow; even tribal societies establish some social order etc.; which served survival, and without it extinction
10:16 matey; thats not entirely reasonable is it?
10:18 matey; take the sum of the experience of the species homo sapiens, cut that in half, and even less of it has ever pertained to experience of a "state" of any sort
10:18 matey; in terms of government
10:18 matey; anarchy is natural, but more importantly its a default.
10:19 matey; the state is an exception
10:19 matey; sort of like internal combustion vehicles or copyright law
10:20 matey; most of the time that homo sapiens have existed, copyright, internal combusion vehicles and state governments did not exist
10:21 matey; of course since that time weve also been to outer space, developed treatments for diabetics and cancer patients, and harnessed (to some degree) the atom
10:22 matey; and if we arent careful, we will attribute those achievements to things that existed in the same timeframe, whether the credit can truly go to those or not
10:23 matey; but the state is a powerful drug, and people get addicted to it, and feel threatened without it
10:24 activelow; if you attribute "anarchy" with "natural", you're again resorting to some _abstract_; and again some type of natural order isn't anarchist - rather the opposite
10:24 matey; my argument doesnt depend on anarchy being natural
10:24 matey; the only reason i mention it is to show that our species has ALREADY managed to live without a state
10:25 activelow; it hasn't
10:25 matey; really
10:25 matey; so um
10:25 matey; how old is the state then?
10:25 matey; i mean how far back was the first one?
10:25 activelow; yet, a "government" isn't the state; or whatever else you are referring to with "the state"
10:26 matey; whether you call it government or state
10:26 matey; i think its safe to say that its newer than homo sapiens
10:26 matey; but maybe you know something i dont
10:26 activelow; well, this distinction is important, what government and state were
10:26 activelow; and both existed since the beginning, of homo
10:27 matey; that sounds a lot like rewriting history to me
10:28 activelow; within any family clan, if any social order exists, which it does, almost always among homo sapiens, then this establish both some "state", the social order, and any type of authority/ruler of it
10:28 matey; ah i see
10:28 activelow; anyway, why would anyone leave the server over a dispute concerning this?
10:28 matey; so you consider any form of social order to be government or state
10:29 matey; anyway, why would anyone leave the server over a dispute concerning this? <- burnout
10:29 matey; he was literally so tired of arguing that he decided not to anymore
10:29 activelow; the social order _is_ the state, yet states may exist without any excessive authority (government)
10:30 chunky; damn.. i miss kingoffrance..
10:32 matey; the social order _is_ the state <- not that i want to
10:32 matey; but somehow i think if we explore that idea far enough we will debunk it
10:33 matey; im content to simply disagree
10:34 matey; german communism is notoriously obtuse and i wouldnt really expect german concepts of state to be different
10:34 matey; i dont even know if germany is to blame here
10:35 matey; only that politically speaking... i mean i wouldnt be too surprised
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11:27 DaemonFC; I need an oil change. It seems like nobody really beats the dealership too much on those.
11:28 DaemonFC; :/
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11:52 DaemonFC; There we go. Dealership for an oil change and cabin air filter.
11:52 DaemonFC; Those videos make it look like cabin air filter replacement isn't a big deal on the Impala/Lacrosse, but it kind of is because of the way the filter goes in.
11:53 DaemonFC; GM couldn't just make it like most other cars where you open up the glove box, yank it, and push the new one in.
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12:00 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Monday, April 11, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/12/irc-log-110422/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/12/irc-log-110422/
12:00 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Monday, April 11, 2022 | Techrights
12:03 DaemonFC; matey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kKoqE-sAb8
12:03 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=1kKoqE-sAb8
12:04 TR Bot; invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | Slavery With Extra Steps - Invidious
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12:14 DaemonFC; schestowitz, People go to Walmart for oil changes and they shouldn't.
12:15 DaemonFC; Walmart costs about the same as a dealer oil change with a coupon, except that Walmart makes you wait 4 hours somehow to trap you in the stupid store.
12:16 DaemonFC; Then they have people who aren't mechanics work on your car for minimum wage. Half the time they strip out or round the oil pan drain plug, or cross thread it, or don't put oil in, and that will do a lot of damage to your wallet obviously.
12:16 DaemonFC; ANd then if you file an engine damage claim, Walmart is their own insurance company and goes "We're Walmart. Sue us. LOL".
12:17 DaemonFC; Half the time if you ask them for an air filter to be installed, they managed to break the retainer clips on your air intake box, and the other half the time they don't even do it, and still charge you for it.
12:18 DaemonFC; Of course, that all assumes that they agree to do anything to your car to begin with. THEY ARE PICKY. If your car has ANY quirks at all, they make you wait 4 hours and page you back to the automotive center and refuse to do the service.
12:19 zuka; whats the site that tell you what oil is suitable to what car?
12:26 zuka; DaemonFC https://speedcamanywhere.com/
12:26 TR Bot; Speedcam Anywhere
12:26 zuka; make your roads safer
12:27 zuka; Speedcam Anywhere turns your smartphone or tablet into a portable speed camera.
12:27 zuka; how cool is that
12:28 zuka; now anyone can be a trafic cop
12:43 DaemonFC; <zuka> whats the site that tell you what oil is suitable to what car?
12:44 zuka; yes?
12:44 DaemonFC; Not sure. Typically, if it says you use 5w20, 5w30, or 5w40 in the owner's manual, you can use the corresponding 0wxx for the car.
12:45 DaemonFC; And a good rule is that engines that say you can use conventional oil will wear less on synthetic, but engines that specify full synthetic must not use conventional.
12:45 DaemonFC; Or it will do serious damage.
12:46 zuka; so whats the site?
12:46 DaemonFC; I just look at the manufacturer's manual or TSB.
12:46 DaemonFC; Ford said run the 1996 Crown Victoria with 5w30, but later said you could use 5w20 back to 1992.
12:46 DaemonFC; So I ran it on 0w20 for years and nothing bad ever happened.
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12:52 TR News; TuxMachines will be back shortly. Please do not submit any stories until the evening as we restore the site to its ptevious state (there was a DB issue)
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13:34 psydruid;
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13:44 zuka; psydruid 13:33:37
13:45 psydruid; :)
13:47 *zuka Rolls a 6 sided dice and gets 2
13:51 zuka; cantt one virtualize a tpm chip
13:51 zuka; to make windows 11 happy
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13:59 TR News; Archcraft April Release Available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163621
13:59 TR Bot; Archcraft April Release Available | Tux Machines
14:00 TR News; TuxMachines now fully recovered from its database crash. We had to restore many nodes by hand.
14:02 zuka; the site is working agian :)
14:04 schestowitz-TR; yes, lots of work on that
14:04 schestowitz-TR; we'll need to also upgrade the software some time soon
14:04 schestowitz-TR; the storage engine is not so reliable
14:04 schestowitz-TR; we had an incident similar to this about 3-4 years agoi
14:09 MinceR; 12 080929 < psydruid> makes me want to colonize mars to get away from all of these twats
14:10 MinceR; with the right subset, it could theoretically work
14:10 MinceR; the problems are getting the right subset to go and terraforming mars
14:10 MinceR; we don't have the technology for the latter
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14:26 TR News; "Earlier this year I started a PhD in pure mathematics at KU Leuven in Belgium and in this blog post I discuss my research workflow." https://castel.dev/post/research-workflow/ | Source: 0
14:26 TR Bot; My Mathematics PhD research workflow | Gilles Castel
14:26 TR News; "It's amazing to me how much FUD is being spread about the Fediverse in that post." https://blog.peerverse.space/lets-talk-about-project/ | Source: 0
14:26 TR Bot; Let's talk about Bluesky
14:29 TR News; "At least 153 pieces of cryptocurrency-related legislation were pending this year in 40 states and Puerto Rico" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/politics/crypto-industry-states-legislation.html | Source: New York Times
14:29 Alternative link; CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/politics/crypto-industry-states-legislation.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/politics/crypto-industry-states-legislation.html
14:29 TR Bot; Crypto Industry Helps Write, and Pass, Its Own Agenda in State Capitols - The New York Times
14:44 TR News; Hungary, Orban, and the other virus https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/11/fact-check-have-hungarian-researchers-proven-that-covid-escaped-from-a-lab-not-quite | Source: Hungary
14:44 Alternative link; CloudFlare: telex.hu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/11/fact-check-have-hungarian-researchers-proven-that-covid-escaped-from-a-lab-not-quite https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/11/fact-check-have-hungarian-researchers-proven-that-covid-escaped-from-a-lab-not-quite
14:44 TR Bot; Telex: Fact-check: Have Hungarian researchers proven that Covid escaped from a lab? Not quite.
14:44 TR News; They always say they care about children... https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/11/ngos-to-be-fined-for-encouraging-invalid-votes-at-the-hungarian-governments-child-protection-referendum | Source: Hungary
14:44 Alternative link; CloudFlare: telex.hu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/11/ngos-to-be-fined-for-encouraging-invalid-votes-at-the-hungarian-governments-child-protection-referendum https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/11/ngos-to-be-fined-for-encouraging-invalid-votes-at-the-hungarian-governments-child-protection-referendum
14:44 TR Bot; Telex: NGOs to be fined for encouraging invalid votes at the Hungarian governments child protection referendum
14:49 psydruid; > cantt one virtualize a tpm chip
14:49 psydruid; > to make windows 11 happy
14:49 psydruid; I did that, but it's slow as hell on my hardware when updating
14:49 psydruid; I would need to buy new hardware to be able to run it comfortably and to be abused by it properly
14:51 activelow; tpm => serial number => user identification
14:52 activelow; the idea, to install any operating system, is confabulated brain washing;
14:53 activelow; it is flawed by design somehow, not because of political reasons, because of technical ones; given the fact which benefit an immutable operating system residing on ROM-type memorys can have
14:56 MinceR; ah yes, immutable security holes
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14:59 TR News; "Although the hearing covered bread and butter issues, the mainstream corporate media ignored it." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/11/corporate-media-ignores-senate-hearing-on-corporate-greed-and-inflation/ | Source: Counter Punch
14:59 Alternative link; CloudFlare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/11/corporate-media-ignores-senate-hearing-on-corporate-greed-and-inflation/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/11/corporate-media-ignores-senate-hearing-on-corporate-greed-and-inflation/
14:59 TR Bot; Media Ignores Senate Hearing on Corporate Greed and Inflation - CounterPunch.org
15:01 TR News; "3D laser engraving" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/11/quick-hacks-countersinking-screw-heads-with-3d-laser-engraving/ | Source: Hackaday
15:01 TR Bot; Hacks: Countersinking Screw Heads With 3D Laser Engraving | Hackaday
15:01 TR News; "Computer memory has taken on many forms over the years" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/11/glow-in-the-dark-computer-memory-illuminates-the-fundamentals/ | Source: Hackaday
15:01 TR Bot; In The Dark Computer Memory Illuminates The Fundamentals | Hackaday
15:02 TR News; "Ilikened ivermectin to acupuncture" https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/04/11/sbm-versus-ivermectin-and-other-implausible-treatments/ | Source: Orac
↺ https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/04/11/sbm-versus-ivermectin-and-other-implausible-treatments/
15:02 Alternative link; CloudFlare: respectfulinsolence.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/04/11/sbm-versus-ivermectin-and-other-implausible-treatments/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/04/11/sbm-versus-ivermectin-and-other-implausible-treatments/
15:02 TR Bot; SBM versus ivermectin and other implausible treatments - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE
15:02 TR News; "/e/OS from /e/ Foundation is one of the very few Android-based operating systems" https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/get-google-out-of-your-mobile-life-with-e-os/ | Source: PIA
15:02 Alternative link; CloudFlare: privateinternetaccess.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/get-google-out-of-your-mobile-life-with-e-os/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/get-google-out-of-your-mobile-life-with-e-os/
15:02 TR Bot; Get Google out of Your Mobile Life with /e/OS
15:06 TR News; The 5 Things That Taught Me The Most About Linux https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/the-5-things-that-taught-me-the-most:7 Source: DistroTube
15:06 Alternative link; CloudFlare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/the-5-things-that-taught-me-the-most:7 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/the-5-things-that-taught-me-the-most:7
15:06 TR Bot; The 5 Things That Taught Me The Most About Linux
15:06 TR News; iophk: MS = sabotage; microsofters = saboteurs; https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/us/politics/us-russia-malware-cyberattacks.html
15:06 Alternative link; CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/us/politics/us-russia-malware-cyberattacks.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/us/politics/us-russia-malware-cyberattacks.html
15:06 TR Bot; U.S. Says It Secretly Removed Malware Worldwide, Pre-empting Russian Cyberattacks - The New York Times
15:13 TR News; Meet Lite XL: A Lightweight, Open-Source Text Editor for Linux Users Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163622
15:13 TR Bot; Meet Lite XL: A Lightweight, Open-Source Text Editor for Linux Users | Tux Machines
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15:16 TR News; A liberal education https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/liberal-education
15:16 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Liberal Education
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15:19 activelow; MinceR: a ROM doesn't prevent "updates"; and updates are sickening more often than providing a cure
15:19 TR News; Try this open source alternative to Salesforce Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163623
15:19 TR Bot; Try this open source alternative to Salesforce | Tux Machines
15:19 TR News; 5 Best Free and Open Source Incident Response Tools Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163624
15:19 MinceR; it's painful to fix bugs in ROM
15:20 TR Bot; 5 Best Free and Open Source Incident Response Tools | Tux Machines
15:20 MinceR; but sure, OS-es shouldn't be so crap that their updates make them worse
15:20 activelow; some bios roms got a mechanical dip switch, to enable read-only, floppy disk too contained a mechanical switch, for read-only
15:21 activelow; i keep my linux rootfs inside squashfs, for obvious reasons
15:22 TR News; "EFF's Cindy Cohn and Danny OBrien" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/podcast-episode-making-hope-adam-savage | Gilmore and Barlow knew better how to run EFF
15:22 TR Bot; Podcast Episode: Making Hope, with Adam Savage | Electronic Frontier Foundation
15:24 MinceR; flip a switch to toggle read-only is a good idea
15:25 activelow; it is the basic principle, of many "security" features
15:25 TR News; "The fallout from Russia's invasion of Ukraine has reminded us of the unforeseeable disruptions constantly confronting the global economy." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/11/economic-shock-therapy-neoliberals | Source: Common Dreams
15:25 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/11/economic-shock-therapy-neoliberals https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/11/economic-shock-therapy-neoliberals
15:25 TR Bot; Opinion | Economic Shock Therapy for Neoliberals | Joseph Stiglitz
15:26 activelow; reminds me, of the harvard architecture again, and the nx-bit, which Intel boasted about, yet rarely is any policy enforced, to utilize it, this read-only mechanism for memory
15:26 TR News; "The United Kingdom's ostensibly leftist Labour Party came under fire Monday after calling for nationwide injunctions to block direct actions" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/11/disgrace-uk-labour-party-slammed-seeking-injunction-against-climate-activists | Source: Common Dreams
15:26 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/11/disgrace-uk-labour-party-slammed-seeking-injunction-against-climate-activists https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/11/disgrace-uk-labour-party-slammed-seeking-injunction-against-climate-activists
15:26 TR Bot; 'A Disgrace': UK Labour Party Slammed for Seeking Injunction Against Climate Activists
15:27 activelow; got some kernel patches still, for amd64, which i sraped and forward-ported to kernel 5.10, to enforce nx-bit policy for main memory
15:27 TR News; "A coalition of progressive leaders from across the globe demanded Monday that the Biden administration immediately drop all charges against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/11/global-progressive-leaders-urge-biden-drop-us-charges-against-assange | Source: Common Dreams
15:27 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/11/global-progressive-leaders-urge-biden-drop-us-charges-against-assange https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/11/global-progressive-leaders-urge-biden-drop-us-charges-against-assange
15:27 TR Bot; Global Progressive Leaders Urge Biden to Drop US Charges Against Assange
15:27 activelow; no clue, why not at least this is maintained as it should, with the mountain of "security" fuzz around linux kernel
15:30 TR News; Linux 4.9.310 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163625
15:30 TR Bot; Linux 4.9.310 | Tux Machines
15:30 TR News; 8+ Locate command usage with examples for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163626
15:30 TR Bot; 8+ Locate command usage with examples for Linux | Tux Machines
15:30 activelow; anyway, "installation" of an operating system is CIA brainwashing their customers, to think this is how it should be, instead of loading DOS from read-only floppy disk into memory, as it was
15:30 TR News; Pscp in Linux System: Everything You Need To Know About Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163627
15:30 TR Bot; Pscp in Linux System: Everything You Need To Know About | Tux Machines
15:30 TR News; MX Linux Casually Drops Version 21.1, Codenamed "Wildflower" Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163628
15:30 TR Bot; MX Linux Casually Drops Version 21.1, Codenamed "Wildflower" | Tux Machines
15:31 activelow; and how much had progressed operating system design since then, what a glory
15:31 TR News; "Commenters told him that the best fluid level sensor was a hacked blood pressure monitor." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/11/blood-pressure-cuff-hacked-into-water-level-sensor/ | Source: Hackaday
15:31 TR Bot; Pressure Cuff Hacked Into Water Level Sensor | Hackaday
15:32 TR News; GulagTube is not suitable for science https://hackaday.com/2022/04/11/trenton-computer-festival-makes-youtube-debut/ | Source: Hackaday
15:32 TR Bot; Computer Festival Makes YouTube Debut | Hackaday
15:32 TR News; 5G https://www.projectcensored.org/expansion-of-wireless-5g-technology-to-oceans-threatens-wildlife/ | Source: Project Censored
15:32 Alternative link; CloudFlare: projectcensored.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.projectcensored.org/expansion-of-wireless-5g-technology-to-oceans-threatens-wildlife/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.projectcensored.org/expansion-of-wireless-5g-technology-to-oceans-threatens-wildlife/
15:32 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/expansion-of-wireless-5g-technology-to-oceans-threatens-wildlife/ )
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15:38 TR News; "Steam Turbine Skateboard" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/12/a-v2-rocket-inspired-steam-turbine-skateboard-is-just-around-the-corner/ | Source: Hackaday
15:38 TR Bot; V2 Rocket Inspired Steam Turbine Skateboard Is Just Around The Corner | Hackaday
15:38 TR News; "Were fans of unusual forms of transport here, so when we saw an article featuring a home-made motorcycle chariot we knew we had to share it with you." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/11/this-chariot-is-pulled-by-a-team-of-motorcycles/ | Source: Hackaday
15:38 TR Bot; Chariot Is Pulled By A Team Of Motorcycles | Hackaday
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15:41 TR News; EndeavourOS Apollo Release Introduces a new Worm Window Manager http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163607#comment-33327
15:41 TR Bot; EndeavourOS: The Apollo release has landed | Tux Machines
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15:44 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163629
15:44 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
15:45 TR News; Patents kill. WTO profits from death. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/11/leaked-wto-covid-patent-waiver-text-very-bad | Source: Common Dreams
15:45 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/11/leaked-wto-covid-patent-waiver-text-very-bad https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/11/leaked-wto-covid-patent-waiver-text-very-bad
15:45 TR Bot; Opinion | The Leaked WTO Covid Patent Waiver Text Is Very Bad | Fatima Hassan
15:58 TR News; Qualcomm Edge AI Vision kit combines Qualcomm QCS610 SoC & Sony IMX415 4K ultra low light camera Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163630
15:58 TR Bot; Qualcomm Edge AI Vision kit combines Qualcomm QCS610 SoC & Sony IMX415 4K ultra low light camera | Tux Machines
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16:11 matey; well if the cia is trying to stop people from loading the os from a chip
16:12 matey; theyre losing big time on the smartphone front
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16:19 zuka; the cia wants to be able to load the ciaOS
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16:52 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/criminalized-onion-relish.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/10/just-wait-til-the-onion-hits-my-colon/ )
16:52 Alternative link; CloudFlare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/criminalized-onion-relish.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/criminalized-onion-relish.jpg
16:52 TR Bot; Just wait til the onion hits my colon
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 87.68 average k/sec., average swarm size 366.13
17:04 TR News; "Facebooks DIO consists of three tiers of banned users." https://www.projectcensored.org/facebooks-blacklist-of-dangerous-individuals-and-organizations-stifles-public-debate/ | Source: Project Censored
17:04 Alternative link; CloudFlare: projectcensored.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.projectcensored.org/facebooks-blacklist-of-dangerous-individuals-and-organizations-stifles-public-debate/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.projectcensored.org/facebooks-blacklist-of-dangerous-individuals-and-organizations-stifles-public-debate/
17:04 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/facebooks-blacklist-of-dangerous-individuals-and-organizations-stifles-public-debate/ )
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17:12 TR News; ScamCoins https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/04/double-your-crypto-scams-share-crypto-scam-host/ | Source: Krebs On Security
17:12 TR Bot; Double-Your-Crypto Scams Share Crypto Scam Host Krebs on Security
17:13 TR News; "Today also marks the three year anniversary of when Julian Assange was dragged out of the Ecuadorian Embassy in London by the Metropolitan Police" https://dontextraditeassange.com/post/progressive-leaders-call-on-us-president-joe-biden-to-drop-the-charges-against-julian-assange/ | Source: Don't Extradite Assange
17:13 TR Bot; Progressive Leaders call on US President Joe Biden to drop the charges against Julian Assange - Don't Extradite Assange
17:13 TR News; "The charges against Assange are an affront to journalists everywhere and a threat to press freedom." https://dontextraditeassange.com/post/three-years-since-julian-assanges-arrest-from-the-ecuador-embassy-reactions-statements/ | Source: Don't Extradite Assange
17:13 TR Bot; Three years since Julian Assanges arrest from the Ecuador Embassy - Reactions & Statements - Don't Extradite Assange
17:14 TR News; "telecom monopolies" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/illinois-missouri-and-new-york-lawmakers-are-helping-telecom-monopolies-block-broadband-competition/ | Source: Techdirt
17:14 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/illinois-missouri-and-new-york-lawmakers-are-helping-telecom-monopolies-block-broadband-competition/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/illinois-missouri-and-new-york-lawmakers-are-helping-telecom-monopolies-block-broadband-competition/
17:14 TR Bot; Missouri, and New York Lawmakers Are Helping Telecom Monopolies Block Broadband Competition | Techdirt
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17:15 TR News; FBI works for... https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/appeals-court-calls-out-fbi-for-treating-rich-people-better-than-poor-people/ | Source: Techdirt
17:15 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/appeals-court-calls-out-fbi-for-treating-rich-people-better-than-poor-people/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/appeals-court-calls-out-fbi-for-treating-rich-people-better-than-poor-people/
17:15 TR Bot; Court Calls Out FBI For Treating Rich People Better Than Poor People | Techdirt
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17:18 TR News; "This agenda is anti-worker, anti-consumer" https://robertreich.org/post/681207712764346368 | Source: Robert Reich
17:18 TR Bot; Robert Reich (How the Supreme Court Could Make Your Life More...)
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17:20 TR News; Avoid starbucks 'ambiance' cult https://truthout.org/articles/labor-officials-find-starbucks-illegally-fired-seven-union-organizers-in-memphis/ | Source: TruthOut
17:20 Alternative link; CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/labor-officials-find-starbucks-illegally-fired-seven-union-organizers-in-memphis/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/labor-officials-find-starbucks-illegally-fired-seven-union-organizers-in-memphis/
17:20 TR Bot; Labor Officials Find Starbucks Illegally Fired 7 Union Organizers in Memphis
17:22 TR News; "interminably long tech CEO hearings in front of Congress" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/despite-what-fox-news-tells-you-a-new-study-did-not-prove-that-gmail-is-biased-against-conservatives/ | Source: Techdirt
17:22 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/despite-what-fox-news-tells-you-a-new-study-did-not-prove-that-gmail-is-biased-against-conservatives/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/despite-what-fox-news-tells-you-a-new-study-did-not-prove-that-gmail-is-biased-against-conservatives/
17:22 TR Bot; What Fox News Tells You, A New Study Did Not Prove That Gmail Is Targeting Conservatives | Techdirt
17:24 TR News; "Twitter labeled his account as being Russia state-affiliated media." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/uk-politician-who-had-shows-on-russian-tv-channel-threatens-to-sue-twitter-for-noting-his-connections-to-russian-media/ | Source: Techdirt, WTH??
17:24 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/uk-politician-who-had-shows-on-russian-tv-channel-threatens-to-sue-twitter-for-noting-his-connections-to-russian-media/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/uk-politician-who-had-shows-on-russian-tv-channel-threatens-to-sue-twitter-for-noting-his-connections-to-russian-media/
17:24 TR Bot; Politician Who Had Shows On Russian TV Channel Threatens To Sue Twitter For Noting His Connections To Russian Media | Techdirt
17:27 TR News; "Janine Jackson interviewed EFFs Dave Maass about transparency and journalism for the April 22, 2022, episode of CounterSpin." https://fair.org/home/you-have-to-laugh-at-the-ways-agencies-will-evade-giving-you-information/ | Source: FAIR
17:27 TR Bot; 'You Have to Laugh at the Ways Agencies Will Evade Giving You Information' - FAIR
17:29 TR News; "On April 1, a Moscow court debated the case of four editors from the student magazine Doxa on trial for charges of inciting minors to take part in protests." https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/11/self-censorship-leads-to-impotence | Source: Meduza
17:29 Alternative link; CloudFlare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/11/self-censorship-leads-to-impotence https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/11/self-censorship-leads-to-impotence
17:29 TR Bot; NO TITLE
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17:31 TR News; "The Government of Indonesia continues to crack down on piracy." [sic] https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-numbers-drop-after-indonesia-blocks-over-3500-pirate-sites-220411/ | Source: Torrent Freak
↺ https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-numbers-drop-after-indonesia-blocks-over-3500-pirate-sites-220411/
17:31 Alternative link; CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-numbers-drop-after-indonesia-blocks-over-3500-pirate-sites-220411/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-numbers-drop-after-indonesia-blocks-over-3500-pirate-sites-220411/
17:31 TR Bot; Numbers Drop After Indonesia Blocks Over 3,500 Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak
17:31 TR News; "In 2013, pirate streaming site Afdah began offering a comprehensive library of infringing movies to millions of users." https://torrentfreak.com/ace-finally-seizes-pirate-streaming-domains-after-years-of-legal-action-220411/ | Source: Torrent Freak
17:31 Alternative link; CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/ace-finally-seizes-pirate-streaming-domains-after-years-of-legal-action-220411/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/ace-finally-seizes-pirate-streaming-domains-after-years-of-legal-action-220411/
17:31 TR Bot; Finally Seizes Pirate Streaming Domains After Years of Legal Action * TorrentFreak
17:32 TR News; "A couple months back, Starlink and Elon Musk got several weeks of press adulation for shipping thousands of low orbit satellite terminals to Ukraine" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/u-s-buries-fact-it-gave-elon-musk-3-million-to-send-satellite-dishes-to-ukraine/ | Source: Techdirt
17:32 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/u-s-buries-fact-it-gave-elon-musk-3-million-to-send-satellite-dishes-to-ukraine/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/u-s-buries-fact-it-gave-elon-musk-3-million-to-send-satellite-dishes-to-ukraine/
17:32 TR Bot; Buries Fact It Gave Elon Musk $3 Million To Send Satellite Dishes To Ukraine | Techdirt
17:33 TR News; Crazy trademark policy https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/stone-brewing-fresh-off-trademark-win-against-keystone-sued-for-blatant-tm-infringement/ | Source: Techdirt
17:33 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/stone-brewing-fresh-off-trademark-win-against-keystone-sued-for-blatant-tm-infringement/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/stone-brewing-fresh-off-trademark-win-against-keystone-sued-for-blatant-tm-infringement/
17:33 TR Bot; Brewing, Fresh Off Trademark Win Against Keystone, Sued For Blatant TM Infringement | Techdirt
17:34 TR News; COVID-19 still out there, getting stronger https://truthout.org/articles/the-ba-2-variant-is-now-dominant-and-weary-as-we-are-we-cant-dismiss-it/ | Source: TruthOut
17:34 Alternative link; CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/the-ba-2-variant-is-now-dominant-and-weary-as-we-are-we-cant-dismiss-it/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/the-ba-2-variant-is-now-dominant-and-weary-as-we-are-we-cant-dismiss-it/
17:34 TR Bot; The BA.2 Subvariant Is Now Dominant, and Weary as We Are, We Can't Dismiss It
17:42 zuka; https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-12/microsoft-customers-decry-cloud-contracts-that-sideline-rivals
17:42 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
17:43 zuka; lol
17:44 zuka; this channel is too quite today
17:45 zuka; is anyone in here?
17:51 SomeH4x0r; I am
17:55 *bnchs_ (~bnchs_@k7khymixdihuq.irc) has joined #techrights
17:55 bnchs_; I am
17:58 schestowitz-TR; zuka: a lot of energy was expended this weekend
17:58 bnchs_; hello anyway
17:58 schestowitz-TR; on stuff like codiming , maintaining and D-R
17:58 bnchs_; was the DB recovered?
17:58 schestowitz-TR; also had problem with my connection for 4 hours last night, among DB issues... hence barely articles until tomorrow
17:58 bnchs_; and working now?
17:58 schestowitz-TR; bnchs_: yes
17:58 bnchs_; well thats great
17:58 schestowitz-TR; bnchs_: yes, we recovered from backup and merged in the diffs
17:59 schestowitz-TR; it's an old DB
17:59 schestowitz-TR; 18 years
17:59 Ariadne; the entire everything needs to be redone
18:00 Ariadne; i dont have time to do it
18:00 Ariadne; i probably won't for a while
18:00 Ariadne; between work and other concerns, i don't have a lot of free time atm
18:00 TR News; Microsoft is bribery and the author of this article is Microsoft's media mole for nearly 15 years already https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-12/microsoft-customers-decry-cloud-contracts-that-sideline-rivals
18:00 schestowitz-TR; Ariadne: understandable
18:00 bnchs_; techrights' technical debt
18:01 schestowitz-TR; just just ours
18:01 schestowitz-TR; tuxmachines started on gentoo
18:01 schestowitz-TR; ages ago
18:01 schestowitz-TR; we actually tidied up lots of things
18:01 schestowitz-TR; the site is in general easy to contribute to and navigate, imho
18:02 schestowitz-TR; all the stuff is in two CMSs, strictly, Gallery and Drupal
18:02 schestowitz-TR; today we split the backup regime so that it does remote at 5pm and local dump at 5am
18:03 bnchs_; i can see you planned out your backups
18:03 bnchs_; and it was all worth it
18:03 schestowitz-TR; yes, we keep many backups
18:03 schestowitz-TR; which is fortunate as 2 days of backups were broken
18:03 schestowitz-TR; we used the one from the 9th
18:04 schestowitz-TR; anyway, it used to tun on gentoo, then debian, before gentoo started running "Chrome" "books"
18:04 schestowitz-TR; those were the days when you could barely get your graphics card to work
18:04 matey; /me doubts gentoo had anything to do with gentoo running on chrome books (at least initially)
18:05 TR News; "digi-fascism" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/11/the-rise-of-digi-fascism/ | Source: Counter Punch
18:05 Alternative link; CloudFlare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/11/the-rise-of-digi-fascism/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/11/the-rise-of-digi-fascism/
18:05 TR Bot; Rise of Digi-Fascism - CounterPunch.org
18:05 schestowitz-TR; matey: yes, but it does no harm to them
18:05 schestowitz-TR; gentoo's founder is proud of it
18:05 matey; thats a bit perverse, but i can see it
18:05 schestowitz-TR; but then again, he joined part 25
18:05 schestowitz-TR; (microsoft)
18:05 matey; oh no
18:05 schestowitz-TR; *port 25
18:05 bnchs_; "gentoo running on chromebooks"
18:05 schestowitz-TR; a very bad derivative of it
18:05 bnchs_; and they used it like a marketing pro
18:06 bnchs_; heres a locked down chromebook that can only use the clown
18:06 bnchs_; but at least it runs gentoo
18:06 matey; i imagine siemens had a similar line in their brochures
18:06 schestowitz-TR; yes, they even bear Microsoft to it
18:06 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft pursued patents on the idea 15 years ago
18:06 psydruid; the worst part is that some laptop configurations are only available as chromebooks
18:06 schestowitz-TR; Gulag did it
18:06 matey; "the #1 industrial supplier of modern germany!"
18:07 schestowitz-TR; now Windows follows
18:07 matey; in the 1930s and 40s
18:07 schestowitz-TR; "can't afford a computer? Here, become our serf"
18:07 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: steam deck is a drm machine
18:07 psydruid; the war on general-purpose computing
18:07 schestowitz-TR; kde and arch but locked down to FS level
18:07 schestowitz-TR; but still, better than gpd and all that windows crap
18:07 psydruid; I would never buy a steam deck
18:07 schestowitz-TR; give them ma run for the money
18:08 psydruid; but kudos to valve
18:08 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: it's not for you
18:08 matey; /me hopes gentoo isnt behind steam dick too, or they could get a reputation for being drm happy
18:08 psydruid; lol
18:08 schestowitz-TR; it might help you convince some people to move to gnu/linux with steam store or whatever they call it
18:08 matey; i think freebsd is proud of netflix, sadly
18:08 bnchs_; schestowitz-TR: not locked down enough for tim swine-e
18:08 schestowitz-TR; they used to have hotmail
18:08 psydruid; gabe newell is being a steam dick
18:08 bnchs_; he needs rootkits
18:08 schestowitz-TR; this was actually brought up this morning
18:09 schestowitz-TR; freebsd and netflix
18:09 schestowitz-TR; (in antoher channel)
18:09 psydruid; yes
18:09 matey; netlix sponsored some of their talks
18:09 bnchs_; gabe newell cant even count to 3
18:09 psydruid; there are presentations by netflix employees at fosdem
18:09 matey; getting on without takeover by corporate sponsors is vital to free software
18:10 matey; you can handle maybe a minimal percentage of such things
18:10 matey; until the microbel effect sets in
18:10 *schestowitz-TR about to start "linux" links
18:11 bnchs_; wait, freebsd and netfilx?
18:11 psydruid; yes
18:11 matey; for years now
18:11 bnchs_; did they bribe freebsd to add DRM?
18:11 matey; netflix runs on freebsd
18:12 psydruid; freebsd's network stack is better than linux's
18:12 matey; i think they run their drm on top of freebsd
18:12 matey; its clown-based so you dont need a rootkit
18:12 psydruid; and can handle higher workloads
18:13 matey; of course you may need a rootkit on the client side, but that generally means windows or whatever roku runs on
18:13 matey; android as well
18:15 matey; roku os is based on "linux" it would seem
18:15 Ariadne; psydruid: not so much anymore
18:15 Ariadne; there is also a lot of alpine inside netflix these days
18:19 psydruid; did linux improve or is this completely because of alpine?
18:19 Ariadne; linux improved
18:20 matey; "You have to understand that the Roku OS isn't an Android-based operating system. This is a closed-loop Linux-based OS which wasn't designed to accommodate web browsers, online shopping, or mobile gaming. As such, when it comes to the types of APK files you can install, you're really limited only to entertainment channels."
18:20 matey; "closed-loop"
18:20 matey; not android-based. has "apks" anyway?
18:20 schestowitz-TR; netflix is connected to microsoft, so they dislike gpl
18:20 schestowitz-TR; I don't think freebsd there is based on merit vs linux
18:21 Ariadne; schestowitz-TR: mmm, no
18:21 Ariadne; freebsd has historically had superior networking performance
18:21 Ariadne; linux has just caught up in recent years
18:21 schestowitz-TR; i see...
18:21 matey; /me isnt a fan of freebsd, but is still aware of its technical merits
18:22 TR News; "I survived 30 days in ChromeOS as a poweruser. I dont use Chrome Browser and I dont enjoy using Andorid apps." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVRZlqmGrUk
18:22 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=fVRZlqmGrUk
18:22 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=fVRZlqmGrUk )
18:22 schestowitz-TR; bnchs_: that instance is still down ^^
18:23 bnchs_; yeah
18:23 matey; for example, if something does a particular thing really well, and you still dont prefer it, you can say things like:
18:23 bnchs_; its been down for days now
18:23 TR News; Mythbusting: Linux apps SUCK and they SLOW Linux growth - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0fJQ-EoQauE Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
18:23 TR Bot; Mythbusting: Linux apps SUCK and they SLOW Linux growth - Invidious
18:23 matey; "its a shame that freebsd isnt _____________ or _________, when its so good at ______________"
18:23 matey; though if youre not a fan, you probably wont bring it up as often until someone else does
18:24 TR News; Which is your preferred way to control logical flow? #programming #javascript - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=o3pQbZpJ6Nc Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
18:24 TR Bot; Which is your preferred way to control logical flow? #programming #javascript - Invidious
18:24 matey; microsoft takes things over by getting people to focus on the good and ignore the mountain of terrible faults, so this isnt a recommended approach for anything microsoft
18:25 matey; if someone say anything good about microsoft, the best response is "yes, buts its satans festering turds"
18:25 matey; or something along those lines
18:25 bnchs_; theres no reason to stay on windows anymore
18:25 bnchs_; unless you use abandonware
18:25 bnchs_; unless you HAVE to use abandonware
18:25 matey; hyperbole is insufficient for describing the horrors of microsoft. english fails to convey it completely, you would need an entirely new language
18:26 matey; something like a cross between esperanto and the elder scrolls
18:26 psydruid; windows itself is abandonware
18:26 matey; if lovecraft were alive today he could do it
18:26 matey; it would still lose something in the translation to english
18:27 psydruid; they just put enough lipstick on the pig to make it look as it's still alive and thriving
18:27 psydruid; as if*
18:27 matey; "its a pig made almost entirely of lipstick!"
18:27 matey; to be fair, the lipstick is made partly of pork grease
18:28 matey; "clutching forks and knives, to eat their bacon!"-- beatles (from the allow album)
18:28 TR News; 'Security' as expensive gadgets that won't compensate for real issues: "Have you considered using a YubiKey? In this complete guide, you'll learn everything you need in order to get started with these awesome security keys." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pANjo6B09iI
18:28 TR Bot; https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=pANjo6B09iI
18:28 TR Bot; inv.riverside.rocks | YubiKey Complete Getting Started Guide! - Invidious
18:29 bnchs_; if you really need adobe
18:29 matey; you dont
18:29 bnchs_; then you can use wine
18:29 TR News; "In the 25th episode of Enterprise Linux Security, Jay and Joao catch up on a few things in the news, including the results of a recent Internet Crime Report, and more!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EUYg-Pi2G8
18:29 TR Bot; https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=6EUYg-Pi2G8
18:29 bnchs_; matey: i wouldnt use adobe photoshop in a bit
18:29 TR Bot; invidious.osi.kr | Enterprise Linux Security Episode 25 - News Roundup - Invidious
18:29 matey; i know
18:30 matey; i just think its the best way to end the sentence
18:30 matey; "if you really need adobe... you dont"
18:30 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of MX Linux 21.1 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oVCZtlVKZU
18:30 TR Bot; https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=1oVCZtlVKZU
18:30 TR Bot; invidious.namazso.eu | MX Linux 21.1 overview | simple configuration, high stability, solid performance. - Invidious
18:30 bnchs_; bur even then
18:30 psydruid; adobe is offerings its applications on the web these days
18:30 matey; lol
18:30 bnchs_; adobe is the ONLY reason
18:30 bnchs_; why people stay on windows
18:30 bnchs_; that and abandonware
18:30 matey; which is weird, i thought they had it on macs too
18:30 bnchs_; you can use wine in the latter
18:30 psydruid; they realize they are missing out on a whole generation of useds
18:31 matey; watching a windows user use adobe would be like watching an amish person using a self-service kiosk at starbucks
18:31 matey; probably in more ways than one
18:32 matey; /me has never seen a self-service kiosk at starbucks, but has used one at mcdonalds a couple times
18:32 matey; before the pandemic. after? fuck that.
18:32 bnchs_; but theres one
18:33 bnchs_; adobe flash seems much easier to use
18:33 bnchs_; than synfig
18:33 matey; i dont doubt it
18:34 matey; but when you use non-free software youre really just borrowing someone elses stuff
18:34 matey; its never yours, theyll see to that
18:34 bnchs_; yeah
18:34 psydruid; I heard that people are using adobe animation to create games
18:34 matey; if youre replacing something where you buy tubes of paint and use them up, i can see how people get pulled into that
18:34 psydruid; and comics
18:34 psydruid; or whatever
18:34 matey; sure, you could
18:34 matey; i mean blender has been used the same way
18:34 matey; not that i can figure out how
18:35 bnchs_; adobe flash is good for beginners because it doesnt overcomplicate shit
18:35 mjg59_; It's often easier for businesses to account for ongoing costs rather than up-front costs
18:35 matey; sure, for the same reason its easier to navigate a ship than set it to run automatically from a to b
18:35 TR News; "Here is a stylisation research for "Pepper the traveler in incognito mode" for episode 37. But why a stylisation research now?" https://www.davidrevoy.com/article906/ep37-production-report-style
18:35 TR Bot; Ep37 production report: style - David Revoy
18:35 mjg59_; Finance departments may well prefer spending $10 a month forever than $500 as a one-off
18:36 psydruid; animate*
18:37 TR News; Ruby Patches Important Bugs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163631
18:37 TR Bot; Ruby Patches Important Bugs | Tux Machines
18:37 matey; the whole idea of basing software choices on finance depts falls apart if you get rid of capitalism
18:37 bnchs_; maybe because you can simply use it without that much knowledge of the software
18:37 matey; of course then it moves from finance depts to financial planning, but its not exactly the same
18:38 mjg59_; And, of course, if you want meaningful support you're paying per month anyway
18:39 matey; except that if you stop paying you still have the software
18:39 matey; and a choice where you get support from
18:39 matey; my #1 gripe with any software is they make huge changes and then everyone waits for documentation to catch up
18:40 matey; all those books you purchased, trash
18:40 psydruid; that's a business too
18:40 TR News; Shows and Videos: Late Night Linux, Destination Linux, and New Videos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163632
18:40 TR Bot; Shows and Videos: Late Night Linux, Destination Linux, and New Videos | Tux Machines
18:40 psydruid; collateral business
18:40 matey; but what i really dont like is the customers-are-cattle model
18:40 matey; which permeates the software world
18:41 TR News; Software Patents legitimised by Open Invention Network (OIN) https://www.streetinsider.com/Globe+Newswire/Truist+Joins+the+Open+Invention+Network/19902267.html
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18:41 TR Bot; Truist Joins the Open Invention Network
18:41 matey; users, not just customers
18:41 matey; if you dont want them in this place, just move their entire workflow somewhere else
18:41 psydruid; it's because the software field is still so young
18:41 matey; maybe
18:41 schestowitz-TR; Corporations are people
18:41 psydruid; everyone should be a developer
18:41 schestowitz-TR; People are consumers
18:41 schestowitz-TR; consumed by corporations
18:41 matey; even if everyone could code
18:41 matey; not professionally, not even well
18:41 matey; just enough to have some idea how it works
18:42 matey; literacy would be so much better
18:42 matey; people would be better armed to understand whats being done to them
18:42 psydruid; software as products doesn't seem to make much sense
18:42 matey; of course microsoft already hijacks that
18:42 matey; coding itself
18:42 schestowitz-TR; it is infeasible in some parts of the world
18:42 bnchs_; matey: they dont like that
18:42 matey; so that too has to be fought, but people being code literate still helps
18:42 bnchs_; they rather want people to consume
18:42 mjg59_; The problem here is that proprietary software generally doesn't allow you to get your support from someone else
18:42 schestowitz-TR; even language literacy is low in some countries
18:42 psydruid; but maybe that's because of how primitive this field still is
18:42 matey; proprietary software generally doesn't allow you to get your support from someone else <- also true, at least in part
18:43 matey; its more true to say that proprietary software companies have an unfair advantage in support
18:43 matey; because they can have undocumented features or change things at will
18:43 mjg59_; I don't see the move to a subscription model as meaningfully worse than the previous model in that respect
18:43 matey; its worse in other respects
18:43 mjg59_; matey: Also, if the issue I'm hitting is that there's a bug or missing feature, nobody else has the right to fix that for me
18:44 matey; moving to a situation where the developers have even more control, while users have even less, is the problem
18:44 matey; nobody else has the right to fix that for me <- freedom 3 disagrees entirely
18:44 matey; of course nobody has a right to fix YOUR copy, even the copy you host in your repo
18:44 matey; but they can fork
18:44 matey; i do not want people fixing my stuff for me
18:44 matey; but they can fork it
18:45 TR News; KeepItOn: Turkmenistan rips a page from the authoritarian playbook, digitally disconnects nation - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/turkmenistan-digitally-disconnects-nation/ Source: accessnow
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18:45 TR Bot; #KeepItOn: Turkmenistan rips a page from the authoritarian playbook, digitally disconnects nation - Access Now
18:45 matey; and maybe their fixed version is better, who knows
18:45 bnchs_; also the developers can sneak in a miner
18:45 bnchs_; or malware
18:45 bnchs_; anything
18:45 mjg59_; matey: If the software's proprietary then the only people who can legally modify the software to fix my problem are the vendor, so I'm tied to getting support from the vendor
18:45 matey; you mean support in terms of fixes
18:45 psydruid; with centralized free software we got into the situation of others fixing things for us
18:45 matey; i meant support in terms of calling for help with the software
18:46 psydruid; and breaking things for us too
18:46 TR News; Says the company where older colleagues get labeled "dinobabies" and dismissed https://opensource.com/open-organization/22/4/open-world-inclusivity-norberg-review
18:46 matey; i suppose both are legitimate uses of the word "support"
18:46 TR Bot; The path to an open world begins with inclusivity
18:46 mjg59_; matey: Yes, support often involves fixes or feature development, not just telling me how to use the software
18:46 mjg59_; matey: That's what people are paying for in many cases
18:47 matey; theyre suckers then, if theyre paying microsoft for support
18:47 matey; they leave critical bugs in place for years, even after people find them
18:47 *mib_7vg7pn has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
18:47 TR News; Microsofters; "it appears that the most recent update to the game has rendered the FPS game unplayable on the portable gaming PC and other Linux Proton systems." https://www.pcgamesn.com/halo-the-master-chief-collection/update-breaks-steam-deck http://techrights.org/wiki/AARD
18:47 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pcgamesn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pcgamesn.com/halo-the-master-chief-collection/update-breaks-steam-deck https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.pcgamesn.com/halo-the-master-chief-collection/update-breaks-steam-deck
18:47 TR Bot; MCC update breaks the game on Steam Deck and Proton | PCGamesN
18:47 TR Bot; AARD - Techrights
18:47 matey; maybe we can setup a fund for red hat to just stop developing software altogether
18:47 matey; pay them to go away, like the mafia
18:47 matey; obviously it wouldnt work, if you pay people to go away theyll be back
18:47 psydruid; lol
18:48 TR News; "Between 2022-04-05 and 2022-04-12 there were 25 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 195 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 12.8 % of total released titles." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-native-linux-clients-2022-04-12/
18:48 TR Bot; New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-04-12 Edition - Boiling Steam
18:48 psydruid; so microsoft is breaking games on steam deck now
18:48 matey; theyre ever so helpful
18:48 matey; move fast and break competitors things
18:48 psydruid; exactly what DaemonFC told us would happen
18:48 matey; he knows microsoft
18:48 bnchs_; oh
18:48 bnchs_; it appears like
18:49 bnchs_; my UPDATE has broken your support
18:49 bnchs_; definitely an accident
18:49 bnchs_; i swear
18:49 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC mas "Microsoft MVP" at one point
18:49 schestowitz-TR; ages ago
18:49 matey; yes but
18:49 matey; im still disappointed he wasnt an exec
18:49 matey; i seriously pictured him going in with a briefcase and a suit and tie
18:49 schestowitz-TR; not corrupt enough
18:50 matey; then defecting
18:50 matey; i mean its to his credit obviously that he never did that
18:50 psydruid; I abandoned Microsoft before I could ever become a VIP
18:50 matey; but i had this whole image of him
18:50 matey; and now thats dashed to pieces
18:50 schestowitz; some recently did just that http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33323
18:50 TR Bot; Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines
18:50 matey; sure, microsoft has real defectors
18:50 bnchs_; what about former windows NT devs
18:50 matey; but i thought there was one here
18:51 matey; like mjg defected from google (but im sure we dont believe that)
18:51 schestowitz-TR; defective from google
18:51 matey; its a well known fact that google pays people to be undercover in techrights irc for years at a time
18:51 bnchs_; or gulag pays trolls
18:51 bnchs_; to raid techrights irc
18:51 bnchs_; and derail them with infighting
18:52 matey; tnot many people know this but GAFAM is actually a global syndicate, like SPECTRE
18:52 matey; they have an underground base in a volcano and everything
18:52 TR News; Games: Most Steam and Handhelds Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163633
18:52 TR Bot; Games: Most Steam and Handhelds | Tux Machines
18:52 psydruid; bnchs_, Dave Cutler was on The Verge of cutting himself with the cutlery stored in his cupboard
18:53 matey; ask mjg, he has a hairless cat which he named univac
18:53 bnchs_; linux has this rootkit backdoor that linus added
18:53 bnchs_; but you cant see it in the source code because
18:53 bnchs_; well because
18:54 matey; also im actually from forbes. well, i cant confirm or deny that.
18:54 TR News; WTF are you doing, ICBM Red Hat? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/how-deploy-run-and-monitor-microsoft-sql-server-rhel
18:54 psydruid; it's metacode in the metaverse
18:54 TR Bot; How to deploy, run and monitor Microsoft SQL server on RHEL
18:54 matey; the matrixverse
18:55 schestowitz-TR; metaBIGdata
18:55 schestowitz-TR; it's just "big data"
18:55 schestowitz-TR; and just 'metadata"
18:55 matey; google never metadata it didnt like
18:55 schestowitz-TR; "moving along, nothing too sniff here
18:56 schestowitz; Zubin Mehta Data
18:56 schestowitz; he is till alive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubin_Mehta
18:56 TR Bot; Zubin Mehta - Wikipedia
18:57 matey; zooby zooby zooby, zooby zooby zooby, zoo zoo
18:58 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HXbq49vLRC8
18:58 TR Bot; "Zooby Zooby" Lyrical Video | Dance Dance | Alisha Chinoy | T-Series - Invidious
18:58 TR News; Red Hat uses proprietary software here https://www.tfir.io/enterprise-open-source-adoption-is-growing-red-hat-report/ http://techrights.org/2022/03/03/state-of-proprietary-software/
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18:58 TR Bot; Enterprise Open Source Adoption Is Growing: Red Hat Report - TFiR: Interviews, News & Analysis by Swapnil Bhartiya
18:58 TR Bot; Red Hats State of Enterprise Open Source Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 48.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 58.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 344.63
18:59 TR News; Red Hat loves "Open Source" so much that sometimes it even uses it itself. Sometimes...
19:00 matey; strangers in the night, exchanging data
19:01 bnchs_; i didnt even know
19:01 bnchs_; a PDF can leak information about whos using it
19:01 bnchs_; and what software
19:01 matey; oh yeah
19:01 bnchs_; maybe the software does it itself
19:01 matey; it can fucking go online too
19:01 schestowitz-TR; bnchs_: a lot more
19:01 bnchs_; injects metadata without knowing
19:02 matey; you have three choices to keep a pdf from leaking data
19:02 matey; 1. open it without an internet connection
19:02 schestowitz-TR; bnchs_: use mat2
19:02 matey; 2. use a jail (even gnu/linux has one) to isolate it from the network
19:02 schestowitz-TR; it's in the repo
19:02 matey; 3. open it with a proxy, so at least the leak isnt tied to your ip
19:02 schestowitz; roy@vonick:~$ mat2 -elp
19:02 schestowitz; usage: mat2 [-h] [-v] [-l] [--check-dependencies] [-V]
19:02 schestowitz; [--unknown-members policy] [-s | -L]
19:03 schestowitz; [files [files ...]]
19:03 schestowitz; mat2: error: unrecognized arguments: -elp
19:03 matey; you can also convert the pdf but i dont like this option as much
19:03 bnchs_; matey: its not the pdf's fault
19:03 matey; as most of the converters suck
19:03 bnchs_; i would say
19:03 bnchs_; its the writer of the PDF's fault
19:03 matey; its not the pdf's fault <- i mean, if someone is brainwashed and reprogrammed to kill you its not their fault
19:03 matey; but you still shouldnt have them in for tea
19:03 bnchs_; writers tend to inject very VERY detailed metadata
19:03 bnchs_; into PDF
19:04 schestowitz-TR; bnchs_: your mind will blow over prints arcoding printouts in pale yellow
19:04 bnchs_; without you knowing
19:04 schestowitz-TR; so the receiver can figure out where the paper came from
19:04 bnchs_; yes
19:04 bnchs_; thats the printer's fault
19:04 bnchs_; not the paper
19:04 matey; solution: dont colour print
19:04 schestowitz-TR; *barcoding
19:05 matey; it will be interesting when people build their own high quality printers
19:05 schestowitz-TR; reality winner did not know
19:05 schestowitz-TR; smuggled papers in his pantyhose literally
19:05 matey; maybe the secret service will push towards cryptocurrency then
19:05 schestowitz-TR; then sent it to dirty pierre omidyar
19:05 schestowitz-TR; they burned many sources
19:05 schestowitz-TR; and they're still going
19:05 matey; or maybe all currency will have a tiny chip in it by then
19:06 bnchs_; even if you print in color
19:06 bnchs_; remember that printers sperg out
19:06 bnchs_; about low color ink
19:06 bnchs_; even if you print in B&W
19:06 bnchs_; they secretly use the yellow ink
19:06 matey; no i mean dont use a colour printer
19:06 bnchs_; in B&W
19:06 matey; not print in b&w on a colour printer
19:07 bnchs_; matey: well idk about that
19:07 schestowitz-TR; new media campaign: onlyh pedohphiles print in b and w
19:07 matey; at some point people will figure out that half the world isnt pedos
19:08 matey; they exist, but they arent like 35% of the population
19:08 matey; so any time a movement is big enough, and they try to say "oh, theyre all perverts"
19:08 matey; well, obviously not
19:09 bnchs_; only pedos use IRC
19:09 matey; and duckduckgo
19:09 matey; and linux
19:09 matey; its becoming as silly as no true scotsman
19:09 matey; "only a pedo would put sugar in his tea"
19:10 matey; you wouldnt download a child
19:12 schestowitz-TR; microsoft peter came here
19:12 schestowitz-TR; to troll us
19:12 schestowitz-TR; "drpizza"
19:13 schestowitz-TR; later he was arrested for raping kids
19:13 schestowitz-TR; while acting as microsoft's mole at arse technically pedo
19:13 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fTaKDnSIb4c
19:13 TR Bot; The IT Crowd: Peter File - Invidious
19:13 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163634
19:13 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
19:14 matey; <schestowitz-TR> microsoft peter came here <- i remember that story
19:14 schestowitz-TR; "peter, wtf are you doing here?"
19:14 schestowitz-TR; "we're all over 18"
19:14 matey; lol
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19:15 schestowitz-TR; he was not so Bright
19:15 schestowitz-TR; infantile mind
19:15 schestowitz-TR; but sucked up to Microsoft
19:15 schestowitz-TR; they used him
19:16 schestowitz-TR; of course the media never mentioned his relationship with Microsoft
19:16 schestowitz-TR; just "reporter"
19:16 schestowitz-TR; iirc, only sam varghese mentioned the Microsoft connection
19:18 matey; whats varghese up to these days
19:19 schestowitz-TR; not much, itwire stagnates
19:19 schestowitz-TR; far fewer stories
19:19 matey; tech press has nearly collapsed
19:20 matey; something about massaging press releases and doing fuck-all else doesnt help a lot
19:20 schestowitz-TR; " The media were happy to completely ignore the reality of declining real wages throughout the Reagan era "
19:20 schestowitz-TR; https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/12/the-reagan-and-biden-booms/
19:20 Alternative link; CloudFlare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/12/the-reagan-and-biden-booms/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/12/the-reagan-and-biden-booms/
19:20 TR Bot; Reagan and Biden Booms - CounterPunch.org
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19:20 matey; seems unsustainable
19:20 schestowitz-TR; "The hedge fund Alden Global Capital is notorious for plundering newspapers, relentlessly creating news deserts and ghost papers." https://fair.org/home/documenting-the-struggle-against-a-hedge-fund-stripping-journalism-for-parts/
19:20 TR Bot; Documenting the Struggle Against a Hedge Fund Stripping Journalism for Parts - FAIR
19:20 matey; one dept writes press releases, the other does marketing
19:20 schestowitz-TR; yes
19:20 matey; the tech press slaps them together and adds some animation, video snippets
19:20 schestowitz-TR; I get about 10 spam a day from PR agencies
19:20 matey; GRAPHICS!
19:20 schestowitz-TR; I delete immediately
19:21 schestowitz-TR; if they persist I shout at them
19:21 matey; "direct marketing"
19:21 schestowitz-TR; i always look at email addres first
19:21 schestowitz-TR; many say "comm" or "pr"
19:21 schestowitz-TR; so you know instant delete
19:21 schestowitz-TR; they target shits like spamnil
19:21 bnchs_; only pedos go on techrights IRC
19:22 bnchs_; like drpizza
19:22 matey; they should really shut it down
19:22 schestowitz; Years ago FOSS Force spoke about the corruption of Linux Foundation. Now, after getting money from Linux Foundation, it does puff pieces for the corrupt Linux Foundation. SJVN effect.
19:22 schestowitz; https://fossforce.com/2022/04/protecting-open-source-security-as-cold-war-turns-hot/
19:22 TR Bot; OpenSSF Protects Open Source Security as Cold War Turns Hot- FOSS Force
19:22 matey; the only legit network is libera chat
19:22 bnchs_; i bet they still hire trolls
19:22 bnchs_; to go on techrights IRC
19:23 matey; even if some of the other networks are sort of ok sometimes
19:23 matey; just to be safe its better to stick to just libera chat
19:23 matey; its what the fsf uses
19:24 matey; if anyone invites you to a self-hosted irc
19:24 matey; just say no, maybe report them
19:24 MinceR; illibera isn't safe, especially not for the fsf
19:24 matey; windows is perfectly safe, libera chat runs on windows, qed
19:24 MinceR; or at least it wouldn't be safe for them, if they still did something
19:25 bnchs_; ok what about DAFnet
19:25 matey; i feel a lot safer knowing alexa is listening
19:25 bnchs_; last time i went there
19:25 matey; if someone gets killed, alexa will say "hold on, let me find that for you"
19:25 bnchs_; i saw tons of IRC color codes
19:25 MinceR; don't you mean DALnet?
19:25 bnchs_; DALnet
19:25 bnchs_; yes
19:25 MinceR; probably good
19:25 bnchs_; tons of IRC color codes
19:25 MinceR; the last time i was there it was under heavy attack by script kiddies
19:25 bnchs_; i mean i was used to seeing no colors
19:25 bnchs_; then i saw dalnet
19:26 MinceR; colors aren't network-specific
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19:26 bnchs_; yes
19:26 bnchs_; i know
19:27 bnchs_; but techrights irc and liberachat had no color
19:27 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/beaker.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-beaker#comic )
19:27 Alternative link; CloudFlare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/beaker.png https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/beaker.png
19:27 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
19:27 bnchs_; they rarely used colors
19:27 MinceR; think again!
19:27 bnchs_; AHH
19:27 MinceR; lol
19:36 TR News; Links 12/04/2022: Ruby Patched and Linux 4.9.310 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/12/linux-4-9-310/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/12/linux-4-9-310/
19:36 TR Bot; Links 12/04/2022: Ruby Patched and Linux 4.9.310 Released | Techrights
19:38 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163635
19:38 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:38 TR News; Open Hardware/Gadgets: Coverage of /e/OS and Arduino Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163636
19:38 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Gadgets: Coverage of /e/OS and Arduino | Tux Machines
19:38 TR News; Openwashed Corporatism (IBM and SUSE) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163637
19:38 TR Bot; Openwashed Corporatism (IBM and SUSE) | Tux Machines
19:38 TR News; PeaZip 8.6 Released with More Customizable UI Layout, Improved Extraction and Archiving Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163638
19:38 TR Bot; PeaZip 8.6 Released with More Customizable UI Layout, Improved Extraction and Archiving | Tux Machines
19:38 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163639
19:38 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
19:40 schestowitz; lol
19:40 schestowitz; lagrane would not start
19:41 schestowitz; "SDL init failed: Could not connect to PulseAudio"
19:41 bnchs_; pulseaudio?
19:41 MinceR; lol
19:41 schestowitz; when you make a client for geminin in SDL...
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19:41 bnchs_; ah shit he came on bye
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19:41 MinceR; properly written SDL applications can work without poetteringaudio
19:42 bnchs; schestowitz, relying on pulseaudio is too much of a lockin
19:42 bnchs; for SDL programs
19:44 schestowitz; roy@vonick:~$ pulseaudio --check
19:44 schestowitz; roy@vonick:~$ pulseaudio -k
19:44 schestowitz; roy@vonick:~$ pulseaudio -D
19:44 schestowitz; E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed.
19:44 schestowitz; roy@vonick:~$
19:44 schestowitz; lol
19:44 schestowitz; welcome 2022
19:44 schestowitz; and NOW I can browser GEMINI
19:44 schestowitz; with no sounds in it
19:44 schestowitz; *browse
19:44 schestowitz; an application that does not even use sound
19:45 schestowitz; would not start without PA
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19:45 MinceR; turns out lagrange isn't only ugly and inflexible, but it's also poorly written
19:45 bnchs_; thanks firefox
19:45 bnchs_; consumed all my RAM in less than a second
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19:45 bnchs_; and completely froze my kernel
19:45 bnchs_; fucking asshole
19:46 MinceR; welcome to the "modern" web
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19:46 bnchs_; it even consumed the swap
19:46 bnchs_; which made my HDD usage go high up
19:47 TR News; Binary Coded Decimal gemini://hoseki.iensu.me/posts/binary-coded-decimal.gmi
19:47 bnchs; back
19:47 TR News; "So if you've read the last couple of entries on here you won't really be surprised to know that I'm quitting one of my jobs, the non-profit one that's been the source of a lot of my misery lately." gemini://inconsistentuniverse.space/gemlog/2022-04-11-quitting.gmi
19:48 bnchs_; browsers dont have memory limit per page
19:48 TR News; "Yes, this is another post about my current project, mastersearch. But as progress was pretty good in the last two days, I thought I would just post a update." gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/04/11/search-everything-with-dmenu/
19:49 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D200.jpg
19:49 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D558.jpg
19:53 schestowitz-TR; hmmm... our gemini proxy is offline
19:53 schestowitz-TR; fixing...
19:53 schestowitz-TR; first this this happens, since it started 2 months ago
19:56 schestowitz-TR; fixed
19:56 schestowitz-TR; need sleep now, back in a few, it's a long nap
19:56 schestowitz-TR; I'm on shift tonight :/
19:57 bnchs; one thing is
19:58 bnchs; your gemini proxy doesn't recognize code tags
19:58 bnchs; like ```
19:59 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Matt/Im-Jewish-so-this-counts-as-self-deprecation,-making-it-that-much-more-Jewy.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/matt-im-jewish-so-this-counts-as-self-deprecation-making-it-that-much-more-jewy#comic )
19:59 Alternative link; CloudFlare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Matt/Im-Jewish-so-this-counts-as-self-deprecation,-making-it-that-much-more-Jewy.png https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Matt/Im-Jewish-so-this-counts-as-self-deprecation,-making-it-that-much-more-Jewy.png
19:59 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
19:59 schestowitz-TR; I've relayed your request
19:59 schestowitz-TR; that can be implemented
19:59 schestowitz-TR; in perl
20:00 TR News; LXQt 1.1.0 Promises Major Visual Uplift and Improvements Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163640
20:00 TR Bot; LXQt 1.1.0 Promises Major Visual Uplift and Improvements | Tux Machines
20:00 TR News; Ubuntu MATE 22.04 New Features and Release Details Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163641
20:00 TR Bot; Ubuntu MATE 22.04 New Features and Release Details | Tux Machines
20:10 AdmFubar; https://b3ta.com/challenge/meta/
20:10 Alternative link; CloudFlare: b3ta.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://b3ta.com/challenge/meta/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://b3ta.com/challenge/meta/
20:10 TR Bot; challenge: meta
20:11 bnchs; AdmFubar, lol
20:12 bnchs; also nice lightweight website
20:17 zuka; https://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/98688/1635491074/eta.jpg Contra Strike might have copyright on META
20:17 Alternative link; CloudFlare: b3ta.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/98688/1635491074/eta.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/98688/1635491074/eta.jpg
20:17 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/98688/1635491074/eta.jpg )
20:18 zuka; or maybe ETA does
20:19 zuka; is that site facebook with out java script?
20:28 bnchs; it's like 4chan
20:28 bnchs; maybe
20:28 bnchs; idk
20:30 zuka; its like something with out JS
20:30 zuka; or something like that
20:31 zuka; should i reboot after upfates?
20:31 zuka; updates
20:32 zuka; libx11 got update so i should right?
20:33 zuka; why is it that cromium asks me for some password at every boot and insists onb it 3 times
20:34 zuka; thats just annoying
20:34 psydruid; gulag is nosy
20:34 psydruid; labor liberates
20:36 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/O0AK7RQ.jpeg
20:36 Alternative link; CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/O0AK7RQ.jpeg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://i.imgur.com/O0AK7RQ.jpeg
20:36 zuka; i think its asking about some gnome feature called keyring
20:37 AdmFubar; https://www.databreaches.net/singapore-to-license-pentesters-and-managed-infosec-operators/
20:37 Alternative link; CloudFlare: databreaches.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.databreaches.net/singapore-to-license-pentesters-and-managed-infosec-operators/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.databreaches.net/singapore-to-license-pentesters-and-managed-infosec-operators/
20:37 TR Bot; Singapore to license pentesters and managed infosec operators
20:37 zuka; i never entered anything f* that s*
20:38 zuka; can it be disabled?
20:40 zuka; must be some optin on about config
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20:44 DaemonFC; Okay, full synthetic 0w30 Delos oil change and Delco filter, new cabin air filter, new engine air filter, and a new Duracell Platinum AGM car battery and the terminals are cleaned and protected.
20:44 DaemonFC; Tomorrow, transmission fluid change and coolant flush.
20:45 DaemonFC; After I switched batteries, the TPMS light didn't come back.
20:45 DaemonFC; I think the computer just went weird or something.
20:45 DaemonFC; The car's computer was telling me that the battery voltage was getting weird and I popped the hood and looked and it's a Die Hard battery from Sears!
20:46 DaemonFC; Which is bankrupt and they don't even have auto centers anymore!
20:46 DaemonFC; These AGM batteries usually last a very long time. 7-8 years.
20:46 DaemonFC; Sometimes more.
20:46 XRevan86; https://nitter.eu/ngeurope_eng/status/1513881380622671872
20:46 TR Bot; Novaya Gazeta. Europe (@ngeurope_eng): "Here are some of Putins quotes from todays joint press conference with Belarusian leader Lukashenko: Whats happening in Ukraine is a tragedy, without a doubt, but Russia had no other choice. Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are three united nations." | nitter
20:47 DaemonFC; They don't work the alternator as hard either, so they'll last longer.
20:48 DaemonFC; An alternator that works harder is putting out more heat. Really shortens the life.
20:49 zuka; elon musk should had bought nitter instead of twitter because its got no w in it
20:50 MinceR; hopefully nitter is not for sale
20:51 XRevan86; MinceR: It's too free for that.
20:52 psydruid; Prison as a Service
20:52 XRevan86; "elon musk should had bought nitter instead of twitter because its got no w in it" <- I'm trying really hard to understand this reference.
20:53 zuka; elon musk was twirring that twitter should drop the w
20:53 XRevan86; Oh. Hilarious.
20:54 XRevan86; I guess he does have things in common with Rogozin.
20:54 XRevan86; Or with activelow :)
20:56 bnchs; nitter?
20:57 zuka; i guess knitter was aready taken
20:57 bnchs; elon musk should kill himself
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 79.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 379.63
21:00 zuka; does IPFS records every transaction just like bitcoin does?
21:01 zuka; thats the best copyright enforcement thing ever
21:04 AdmFubar; https://www.openssh.com/releasenotes.html
21:04 TR Bot; Release Notes
21:05 AdmFubar; twitter just reminds me of monty python sketches
21:11 AdmFubar; https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-president-admits-antitrust-complaints-against-company-highlight-valid-concerns
21:11 Alternative link; CloudFlare: windowscentral.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-president-admits-antitrust-complaints-against-company-highlight-valid-concerns https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-president-admits-antitrust-complaints-against-company-highlight-valid-concerns
21:11 TR Bot; Microsoft President admits antitrust complaints against company highlight 'valid concerns' | Windows Central
21:16 AdmFubar; https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/05/investigative-reports/this-biden-proposal-could-make-the-us-a-digital-dictatorship/
21:16 Alternative link; CloudFlare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/05/investigative-reports/this-biden-proposal-could-make-the-us-a-digital-dictatorship/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/05/investigative-reports/this-biden-proposal-could-make-the-us-a-digital-dictatorship/
21:16 TR Bot; This Biden Proposal Could Make the US a Digital Dictatorship
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21:19 AdmFubar; https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/05/investigative-reports/wearable-solutions-and-the-internet-of-incarceration/
21:19 Alternative link; CloudFlare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/05/investigative-reports/wearable-solutions-and-the-internet-of-incarceration/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/05/investigative-reports/wearable-solutions-and-the-internet-of-incarceration/
21:19 TR Bot; Wearable "Solutions" and the Internet of Incarceration
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21:45 AdmFubar; Mr. Hyde anyone? https://www.cynerio.com/jekyllbot-5-command-center
21:45 Alternative link; CloudFlare: cynerio.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cynerio.com/jekyllbot-5-command-center https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cynerio.com/jekyllbot-5-command-center
21:45 TR Bot; JekyllBot:5 Command Center
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22:27 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/diagnosis.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-diagnosis#comic )
22:27 Alternative link; CloudFlare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/diagnosis.png https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/diagnosis.png
22:27 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
22:30 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/04/12/fedora-36-beta-the-new-adwaita-gtk4-work-breaks-the-world-causes-confusion-but-the-performance-is-terrific/
22:30 TR Bot; Fedora 36 Beta: The new Adwaita/GTK4 work breaks the world, causes confusion, but the performance is terrific. BaronHK's Rants
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22:38 DaemonFC; schestowitz, The Chevy dealer had their mechanic go over the car with their usual "inspect everything and recommend all services possible" routine.
22:39 DaemonFC; And when they were done with the Buick the guy said "I have never seen a 14 year old car that looked this good. The only thing that I could recommend is replacing the hood struts.".
22:39 DaemonFC; I said, "I already ordered some from China.
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22:47 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hCuMWrfXG4E
22:47 TR Bot; Billy Joel - Uptown Girl (Official Video) - Invidious
22:49 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/250244
22:49 Alternative link; CloudFlare: theins.press | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://theins.press/en/news/250244 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://theins.press/en/news/250244
22:49 TR Bot; German authorities to nationalize energy companies in a crisis and wean the country off Russian gas in two years
22:50 DaemonFC; Glad I didn't get a lemon for that sack full of $100s.
22:50 matey; or a sack of 100 lemons
22:50 DaemonFC; "I don't know if these are still worth anything, man. I mean they are Biden dollars.".
22:51 bnchs; when life gives you lemons
22:51 DaemonFC; GET MAD!
22:51 DaemonFC; DEMAND TO SEE LIFE'S MANAGER!
22:51 DaemonFC; MAKE LIFE RUE THE DAY IT THOUGHT IT COULD GIVE CAVE JOHNSON CANCER!
22:51 bnchs; yeah i knew that was a portal reference
22:51 DaemonFC; BURN LIFE'S HOUSE DOWN WITH THE LEMONS!
22:51 XRevan86; bnchs: Make Earl of Lemongrab?
22:52 MinceR; :>
22:52 DaemonFC; DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? I'M GOING TO GET MY ENGINEERS TO MAKE COMBUSTIBLE LEMONS!
22:52 bnchs; no
22:52 bnchs; you're all not thinking well
22:52 bnchs; make a lemonparty
22:52 bnchs; ;)
22:52 matey; eww
22:52 MinceR; https://i.imgur.com/ZzSBka1.jpeg
22:52 Alternative link; CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/ZzSBka1.jpeg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://i.imgur.com/ZzSBka1.jpeg
22:56 XRevan86; https://yewtu.be/uVFU6dss3sE
22:56 TR Bot; POV: The Lock Picking Lawyer is Outside your Bunker - Invidious
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 48.83 average k/sec., average swarm size 334.01
23:00 MinceR; Want to know how I got these cars? >> https://i.imgur.com/UBz5m9k.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/n1S6HbG )
23:00 Alternative link; CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/UBz5m9k.mp4 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://i.imgur.com/UBz5m9k.mp4
23:00 TR Bot; to know how I got these cars? - Album on Imgur
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23:16 TR News; written on Pinebook Pro gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/agk/phlog/2022-03-25-mo.txt
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23:17 TR News; New-to-me Mandolin gemini://rawtext.club/~mieum/music/2022-04-12-new_mandolin.gmi
23:18 TR News; A sort of 'photojournalism' in Gemini gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/korruptor/blog/2022-04-12-OLL22.gmi
23:20 TR News; "In this blog, we will be introducing the concept of High-performance computing (HPC) and HPC clusters. We will also introduce a few categories of practical workloads important in the HPC space." https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-is-high-performance-computing-hpc-part-1
23:20 Alternative link; CloudFlare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-is-high-performance-computing-hpc-part-1 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-is-high-performance-computing-hpc-part-1
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23:20 TR Bot; is High-performance computing (HPC)? [part 1] | Ubuntu
23:22 TR News; PostgreSQL: pg_dbms_job v1.2.0 released https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_dbms_job-v120-released-2435/ Source: postgresql
23:22 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pg_dbms_job v1.2.0 released
23:23 TR News; On "privacy initiatives" by spying companies... like Mozilla https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/04/12/competition-should-not-be-weaponized-to-hobble-privacy-protections-on-the-open-web/
23:23 Alternative link; CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/04/12/competition-should-not-be-weaponized-to-hobble-privacy-protections-on-the-open-web/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/04/12/competition-should-not-be-weaponized-to-hobble-privacy-protections-on-the-open-web/
23:23 TR Bot; Competition should not be weaponized to hobble privacy protections on the open web - Open Policy & Advocacy
23:24 TR News; Michael now shows just two from the AMD 'crate' https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-aocc-milanx&num=1 see http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
23:24 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-aocc-milanx&num=1 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-aocc-milanx&num=1
23:24 TR Bot; AOCC Performance On EPYC 7773X Milan-X Against GCC, Clang Compilers Review - Phoronix
23:24 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
23:25 TR News; "April is a transition month, with the season starting to change from winter to spring, and a new quarter is beginning to unfold. A lot to plan, but it also means a lot of things to be excited about. With that spirit, lets see what the Mozilla Support community has been up to these days..." https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2022/04/11/whats-up-with-sumo-april-2022/
23:25 Alternative link; CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2022/04/11/whats-up-with-sumo-april-2022/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2022/04/11/whats-up-with-sumo-april-2022/
23:25 TR Bot; Whats up with SUMO April 2022 The Mozilla Support Blog
23:27 TR News; IBM openwashing surveillance, or spying "lite", with Microsoft proprietary GitHub (tied to NSA) https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/04/12/observability-2022-why-it-matters-and-how-opentelemetry-can-help
23:27 TR Bot; Observability in 2022: Why it matters and how OpenTelemetry can help | Red Hat Developer
23:29 TR News; ICBM Red Hat uses GNU logo while attacking the founder of GNU, defaming him to hijack his work/projects https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/04/12/state-static-analysis-gcc-12-compiler
23:29 TR Bot; The state of static analysis in the GCC 12 compiler | Red Hat Developer
23:29 TR News; FAQ: The EUs plan to regulate political ads - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/eu-regulation-political-ads/ Source: accessnow
23:29 Alternative link; CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/eu-regulation-political-ads/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/eu-regulation-political-ads/
23:29 TR Bot; FAQ: The EUs plan to regulate political ads - Access Now
23:30 TR News; IFF writes to the Chief Secretary of Rajasthan urging greater scrutiny of internet shutdown orders. KeepItOn https://internetfreedom.in/iff-writes-to-the-chief-secretary-of-rajasthan-urging-greater-scrutiny-of-internet-shutdown-orders-keepiton/ Source: internetfreedom
23:30 Alternative link; CloudFlare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/iff-writes-to-the-chief-secretary-of-rajasthan-urging-greater-scrutiny-of-internet-shutdown-orders-keepiton/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://internetfreedom.in/iff-writes-to-the-chief-secretary-of-rajasthan-urging-greater-scrutiny-of-internet-shutdown-orders-keepiton/
23:30 TR Bot; IFF writes to the Chief Secretary of Rajasthan urging greater scrutiny of internet shutdown orders. #KeepItOn
23:31 TR News; The Great Resignation myth/narrative is being promoted by IBM, which lays off its own workforce https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/it-hiring-4-tips-retain-attract-top-it-talent
23:31 TR Bot; IT hiring: 4 tips to retain and attract top IT talent right now | The Enterprisers Project
23:32 TR News; ICBM pushing buzzwords at the expense of actual substance or science https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/agile-hybrid-work-benefits
23:32 TR Bot; Agile: 3 ways your organization can benefit during hybrid work | The Enterprisers Project
23:33 TR News; "This year the syslog-ng project will participate in the Google Summer of Code (GSoC) as a mentor organization again. If you are a university student or otherwise eligible to participate in the GSoC program, you can choose to develop a new feature for syslog-ng." https://www.syslog-ng.com/community/b/blog/posts/syslog-ng-in-gsoc-2022
23:33 TR Bot; in GSoC 2022 - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng Community
23:34 matey; /me sees tuxmachines is up
23:34 TR News; "Some criticisms though; the GUI has limited adjustments, mostly just colours. You copy an existing theme, then modify colours -- and you can't import a theme. Another criticism is that the generated theme is large, mostly because, for gtk 3.20+, it has a file 'gtk.gresource' that is about 5MB." https://bkhome.org/news/202204/oomox-gtk-theme-designer.html
23:34 TR Bot; Oomox GTK theme designer
23:35 TR News; "In this project, were going to be making a set of wirelessly controlled animatronic eyes. Ive been wanting to do this project for a while, so when Quantum Integration launched their new Motor & Servo Driver board, this project immediately came to mind." https://www.the-diy-life.com/3d-printed-wireless-joystick-controlled-animatronic-eyes/
23:35 Alternative link; CloudFlare: the-diy-life.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.the-diy-life.com/3d-printed-wireless-joystick-controlled-animatronic-eyes/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.the-diy-life.com/3d-printed-wireless-joystick-controlled-animatronic-eyes/
23:35 TR Bot; 3D Printed Wireless Joystick Controlled Animatronic Eyes - The DIY Life
23:36 schestowitz-TR; matey: yes, took a lot of effort
23:36 TR News; Use of isset() Function in PHP https://linuxhint.com/isset-function-php/ Source: LinuxHint | PHP | FreeSW
23:36 Alternative link; CloudFlare: linuxhint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/isset-function-php/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxhint.com/isset-function-php/
23:36 TR Bot; Use of isset() Function in PHP
23:37 matey; upgrades soon now
23:38 schestowitz-TR; matey: rms talk today
23:38 schestowitz-TR; weds
23:38 TR News; "How do different free and open source software projects do mentorship, and how can we all learn from each other? Daniel Garcia Moreno (EndlessOS Foundation and GNOME), Emily Gonyer (openSUSE), Ilmari Lauhakangas (The Document Foundation), and Marie Nordin (Fedora) discuss this in a panel moderated by Ben Cotton" https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/04/12/panel-discussion-on-mentorship-fedora-mentor-summit-2022-including-lib
23:38 TR Bot; Panel Discussion on Mentorship (Fedora Mentor Summit 2022) including LibreOffice - The Document Foundation Blog
23:38 matey; still 10 where you are, iicc
23:38 schestowitz-TR; 23:40
23:38 matey; but yes ive been counting down
23:38 matey; oh youre on dst now
23:39 schestowitz-TR; Even Linux FoundationForce mentioned this talk
23:39 schestowitz-TR; mentioned by a signer of the letter
23:39 schestowitz-TR; and former OSI
23:39 matey; that sounds sinister
23:39 schestowitz-TR; who sold to the org that was once criticised... because of money
23:39 matey; maybe he really is a hostage
23:40 matey; maybe he will announce a partnership with github
23:40 matey; yes im being cynical
23:40 matey; except the sinister part
23:40 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22032433
23:40 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/jtazo4nb9to81.jpg created on 2022-03-24 07:17:31.043950
23:40 TR News; IBM zSystems: Add support for z16 as CPU name. https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commitdiff;h=82a4c5c704433249aa2adc89ef58b6b70e50c930 Source: gcc | ibm
23:40 TR Bot; Git - gcc.git/commitdiff
23:41 matey; i dont think the fsf is going to turn away from "ruinous compromise" but i do think they will make greater efforts at obfuscation
23:41 matey; cloaking, gaslighting, "marketing"
23:42 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I found a Buick LaCrosse one model year newer at Carvana with about the same mileage.
23:42 matey; im not the only cynic in this bunch. i dont really think im cynical either
23:42 DaemonFC; They wanted an additional $3,000 for it.
23:42 TR News; How come the Microsoft boosters at BleepingComputer never use similar wording like 1.5 billion Windows users impacted...? https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/critical-hp-teradici-pcoip-flaws-impact-15-million-endpoints/
23:42 Alternative link; CloudFlare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/critical-hp-teradici-pcoip-flaws-impact-15-million-endpoints/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/critical-hp-teradici-pcoip-flaws-impact-15-million-endpoints/
23:42 TR Bot; Critical HP Teradici PCoIP flaws impact 15 million endpoints
23:42 DaemonFC; Carvana is a bubble.
23:42 matey; but the funnier lines about it are
23:43 DaemonFC; Those idiots down in Skokie are going to be so sorry when they let Carvana build a "glass vending machine" there and only to watch it go bankrupt.
23:43 matey; it vends glass?
23:43 DaemonFC; No, it's like, a car vending machine that you can see into.
23:43 matey; /me presses b5 and feeds in 16,000 ones
23:44 MinceR; it's going to take a while to put in all those coins
23:44 DaemonFC; You go up to a kiosk and tell it which one you want and it sets you up to pay for it or finance it with them, or you punch in a code for one you paid for and it pops out and hands you the keys.
23:44 DaemonFC; It's dumb.
23:44 matey; 15,997, 15,998...
23:44 TR News; "Open-source Audacity can record and edit audio files on more tracks than you can imagine. It then outputs exactly what you need. It is perfect for noobs and pros alike, on any desktop OS." https://www.pcmag.com/picks/best-free-software
23:44 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pcmag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pcmag.com/picks/best-free-software https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.pcmag.com/picks/best-free-software
23:44 TR Bot; Best Free Software of 2022 | PCMag
23:44 MinceR; and then the car gets damaged when it gets pushed out by the helix and falls to the opening
23:44 matey; /me tries to rock the machine
23:44 MinceR; :)
23:44 matey; fuckers heavy as fuck
23:44 DaemonFC; It's a really stupid way to buy a car because you're going to pay about 25-30% more on the car, plus you may decide to finance it and they want you to go 7 years at 14%.
23:44 DaemonFC; LOL
23:45 TR News; "Im happy to announce that Qt 6.3 has been released today. As always, the release is packed with many new features as well as a large amount of bug fixes." Still proprietary software though. No-go area? https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-6.3-released
23:45 Alternative link; CloudFlare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-6.3-released https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-6.3-released
23:45 TR Bot; Qt 6.3 released
23:45 matey; does it include a coke at least? preferably a cold one
23:45 matey; for that price they could throw in some pretzels
23:45 matey; and a snickers
23:45 TR News; Microsoft tumbles as UBS suggests Office 365 could see 'gentle deceleration' (NASDAQ:MSFT) | Seeking Alpha https://seekingalpha.com/news/3822364-microsoft-tumbles-as-ubs-suggests-office-365-could-see-gentle-deceleration Source: seekingalpha http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Financials
23:45 Alternative link; CloudFlare: seekingalpha.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://seekingalpha.com/news/3822364-microsoft-tumbles-as-ubs-suggests-office-365-could-see-gentle-deceleration https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://seekingalpha.com/news/3822364-microsoft-tumbles-as-ubs-suggests-office-365-could-see-gentle-deceleration
23:45 TR Bot; Microsoft tumbles as UBS suggests Office 365 could see 'gentle deceleration' (NASDAQ:MSFT) | Seeking Alpha
23:45 TR Bot; Microsoft - Financials - Techrights
23:46 MinceR; dunno, but there are some that can cool your coke down for you
23:46 MinceR; like Land Cruisers :>
23:46 matey; maybe one of those pine tree air fresheners that smell like the diseases they likely cause
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23:46 TR News; Microsoft = corruption. Bribes. Crime. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33323
23:46 TR Bot; Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines
23:46 MinceR; what disease smells like pine trees?
23:46 matey; beaveritis
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23:46 matey; ive only heard of it, it sounds terrible
23:47 TR News; Move to LibreOffice https://www.techradar.com/in/news/microsoft-365-is-getting-a-rather-uncharitable-price-hike stop supporting crimes; quit paying criminals http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988
23:47 TR Bot; 365 is getting a rather uncharitable price hike | TechRadar
23:47 TR Bot; Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines
23:48 DaemonFC; <matey> does it include a coke at least? preferably a cold one
23:48 schestowitz; https://lwn.net/Articles/891052/
23:48 TR Bot; kernel 4.9.310 [LWN.net]
23:48 schestowitz; "The 4.9.310 stable kernel update has been released; the changes consist mostly of backported Spectre mitigation patches. "
23:48 schestowitz; I've not seen Microsoft Levin for a while...
23:48 DaemonFC; I admit I go to the dealerships to use oil change coupons and suck them dry of Diet Pepsis in the waiting room.
23:48 DaemonFC; Nobody there cares.
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23:48 MinceR; lol
23:49 DaemonFC; MARISOL was bragging that they had complimentary sodas at BMW.
23:49 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS3LWOTCW4A
23:49 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wS3LWOTCW4A
23:49 TR Bot; yewtu.be | The Naked Gun - Nice Beaver - Invidious
23:49 MinceR; DaemonFC: lol
23:49 matey; and suck them dry of Diet Pepsis in the waiting room. <- goddammit enough with the straight lines
23:49 DaemonFC; I said, "So does Chevy but I didn't need a $1,200 wheel bearing to get a Coke.".
23:49 MinceR; DaemonFC: well, at least MARISOL could get something at BMW that doesn't suck
23:49 TR News; Ksplice Known Exploit Detection for VM_IO Use After Free, BPF bounds checking, and more https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/ksplice-known-exploit-detection-001
23:49 Alternative link; CloudFlare: oracle.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/ksplice-known-exploit-detection-001 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/ksplice-known-exploit-detection-001
23:49 bnchs__; schestowitz, does your website's cert SHA 256 fingerprint begin with a 2D:E3:9F:A3:85:46:B6:B6
23:49 matey; regulars here already know marisol sucks enough for everybody
23:50 DaemonFC; Carvana basically buys up people's old cars and sells them to you.
23:50 TR News; "Today's story, from a reader Regomised as "Al", concerns his time at a company in the 1980s. The company was working on a project to replace thousands of ageing "dumb" terminals with PCs. "The Great PC Invasion and Distributed Computing Revolution were under way," Al observed." https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/11/who_me/
23:50 Alternative link; CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/11/who_me/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/11/who_me/
23:50 DaemonFC; So it's hoping that instead of you finding a car at a fair price, private party, they can just suck up the market of decent used cars and then raise prices.
23:51 DaemonFC; They're a predatory car lot that's saying they're a tech company.
23:51 DaemonFC; More mjg59_ "San Francisco People Get It" crap.
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23:52 matey; the linkin park pirates
23:52 matey; the california chapter
23:52 DaemonFC; From Wilmette to Gary, there's nothing so hairy, and we always collect our fee!
23:52 matey; they need to use the vending machine idea to get your car back
23:53 matey; jokes on them if you have arms like mr fantastic
23:53 DaemonFC; And when all the cars are collected
23:53 DaemonFC; And all of their fenders are ruined
23:53 DaemonFC; Then I'll tow every boat in Belmont Harbor
23:53 DaemonFC; To the Lincoln Park Lagoon
23:53 DaemonFC; And when I've collected the ransom
23:53 DaemonFC; And sunk all the ones that won't yield
23:53 DaemonFC; Then I'll tow all the planes that are blocking the runways
23:53 DaemonFC; At Midway, O'Hare and Meigs Field!
23:54 DaemonFC; (Meigs Field is gone.)
23:54 DaemonFC; Mayor Richard J. Daley blew it up.
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23:54 DaemonFC; He reckoned paying the $40,000 fine to the FAA for illegally closing an airport (now a million dollars because of him), it would avoid court costs to sue the feds to allow it to shut down.
23:55 matey; maybe they should have named it after him, it might still exist
23:55 DaemonFC; It belongs to the parks department now.
23:55 DaemonFC; He said he was worried about another 9/11 because there was an airfield so close to the buildings downtown.
23:55 DaemonFC; But that makes no sense.
23:56 matey; yes, thats how it works
23:56 TR News; </p></blockquote></li>
23:56 DaemonFC; The hijackers that day flew the planes several hundred miles.
23:56 TR News; Git has security only on Microsoft Windows (the NSA back doors) https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/xmqqv8veb5i6.fsf@gitster.g/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA
23:56 matey; because planes looking to crash always check for an airstrip first
23:56 DaemonFC; O'Hare and Midway are only about a few miles from the buildings.
23:56 matey; before shoving themselves into a tall building
23:57 DaemonFC; Old versions of Microsoft Flight Simulator have Meigs Field.
23:57 TR News; "Google has released Chrome version 100.0.4896.88 for Windows, Mac, and Linux. This version addresses vulnerabilities that an attacker could exploit to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/12/google-releases-security-updates-chrome https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2022/04/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_11.html
23:57 matey; just like the ones in 9/11 were full of fuel-- because they were hoping to slam into the eiffel tower (but they got lost)
23:57 TR News; US says internet services are exempt from Russian sanctions https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/11/23020221/us-russian-sanctions-treasury-department-exemption-internet-services because US spies on Russia
23:57 matey; and no one stopped them because no one likes frenchies anyway
23:58 DaemonFC; They chose international flights so they'd have lots of fuel.
23:58 bnchs__; https://youtube.com/watch?v=0fJQ-EoQauE
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23:58 TR News; Costa Rica: first country to call for a moratorium on spyware technology https://www.accessnow.org/costa-rica-first-country-moratorium-spyware/ Source: accessnow
23:58 Alternative link; CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/costa-rica-first-country-moratorium-spyware/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/costa-rica-first-country-moratorium-spyware/
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23:59 bnchs__; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0fJQ-EoQauE
23:59 bnchs__; linux apps sucks
23:59 TR News; "Mary Gartside's Essay antedates James Sowerbys and Goethes treatises on colour, while its illustrations have been deemed some of the earlier examples of abstraction in painting." https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/gartside-theory-of-colours/
23:59 matey; Old versions of Microsoft Flight Simulator have Meigs Field. <- but the mayor had it removed so terrorists couldnt practice missing it entirely
23:59 bnchs__; all my boys hate linux apps
23:59 bnchs__; also the techrights bot is dead
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