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00:00 *schestowitz-TR does not pronounce the T's at all
00:00 schestowitz-TR; may-he... pie-ah
00:02 bnchs__; pinta
00:03 bnchs__; https://github.com/PintaProject/Pinta
00:03 TR Bot; - PintaProject/Pinta: Simple GTK# Paint Program
00:03 bnchs__; A FUCKING C# paint program
00:03 schestowitz-TR; yeah
00:03 schestowitz-TR; it was dead for a long time
00:04 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TazHNpt6OTo
00:04 TR Bot; 10. Rupert Holmes - Escape (The Pia Colada Song) - Invidious
00:04 schestowitz-TR; made a comeback around last year
00:04 schestowitz-TR; pina colada is another thing
00:04 schestowitz-TR; different word
00:04 matey; its pinta without the t though
00:04 bnchs__; ok whats the difference between this
00:04 bnchs__; and krita/gimp
00:04 matey; plus a ~
00:04 schestowitz; "pina colada" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUAjfHGsyK4
00:04 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=pUAjfHGsyK4
00:05 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=pUAjfHGsyK4 )
00:05 bnchs__; privacy.gd is dead
00:05 schestowitz-TR; for.gd?
00:05 schestowitz-TR; or just today?
00:05 schestowitz-TR; I noticed this morning
00:05 schestowitz-TR; maybe it'll be backl
00:31 DaemonFC; KEGA Fusion seems to work better than Gens-GS does.
00:31 bnchs__; kega fusion?
00:31 DaemonFC; Although it's proprietary, and the last release was in 2010, and I had to load it into Wine.
00:31 bnchs__; use dgen
00:31 DaemonFC; A Sega emulator inside a Windows simulator.
00:32 bnchs__; genesis plus gx
00:32 bnchs__; although it has a non-commercial license
00:33 bnchs__; it's very portable
00:38 TR News; How Media Helped the EPO Cover Up the EPO Crisis (Including Severe Escalations and Plunge in Patent Grants) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/epo-media-coverup/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/10/epo-media-coverup/
00:38 TR Bot; How Media Helped the EPO Cover Up the EPO Crisis (Including Severe Escalations and Plunge in Patent Grants) | Techrights
00:39 bnchs__; i just remembered
00:39 bnchs__; remember when back in the CMD days
00:39 bnchs__; you maximize the CMD window
00:39 bnchs__; it only maximizes to the left vertical side of your screen
00:39 bnchs__; rather to the entire screen
00:42 TR News; "I use spacemacs at work, but know almost nothing about emacs. I use evil mode and do not really get most of the emacs thing. It feels slow to me and crashes sometimes... buuuut does have some cool features. I like being able to have a terminal in an editor window, for one." gemini://gemlog.blue/users/sloum/1599541487.gmi
00:42 TR News; Shows and Videos: GNU World Order, Studying GNU/Linux, and Mono Risk Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163583
00:42 TR Bot; Shows and Videos: GNU World Order, Studying GNU/Linux, and Mono Risk | Tux Machines
00:43 chunky; u think nfts are cool + shave your neck beard + u wear a bath robe + hope u die + proactiv didnt work for u + u can barely swim
00:46 bnchs__; chunky: dilate
00:49 matey; cmd + windows isnt the only situation where this happens
00:49 matey; a lot of term windows + de/wm combinations do similar
00:50 matey; in windows i would sometimes go full screen with alt+enter
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00:50 matey; sometimes sdl does that. i think i went fullscreen with supertux
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00:51 matey; sometimes weird things happen when you do that
00:51 matey; like you get back from fullscreen and the xrand resolution is wrong
00:51 matey; randr
00:52 matey; maybe its at 640x480 or something
00:52 kingoffrance; well i like how the people who shave their neck beards are losers lol
00:53 kingoffrance; winners grow a wizard beard
00:54 kingoffrance; re: terms my guess is bitmapped (monospace/size) fonts
00:55 matey; yes, the fonts are monospaced (and often bitmaps)
00:55 matey; cmd can use both bitmapped and ttf fonts
00:56 matey; xterm as well
00:56 *psydruid wonders where the shitposters on the channel keep coming from
00:56 matey; /me has a few theories
00:56 matey; but no unified theory
00:58 bnchs; but imagine this
00:58 bnchs; why can't CMD resize to the entire screen
00:58 matey; it doesnt pad
00:58 bnchs; it's hardcoded to a small width size
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 48.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 385.15
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01:00 matey; https://thecustomizewindows.com/2011/02/enable-true-maximized-command-prompt-window-in-windows-7/
01:00 TR Bot; Enable true maximized command prompt window in Windows 7
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01:00 DaemonFC; I may have just had a large piece of birthday cake early.
01:00 DaemonFC; I got an Oberweis triple chocolate ice cream cake.
01:01 matey; thats racist?
01:01 matey; "Oberweis"
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01:03 DaemonFC; Jim Oberweis owns it.
01:03 matey; it should be Oberzulassen
01:03 bnchs; matey: imagine doing this hack
01:03 bnchs; to enable true maximized command prompt window
01:03 matey; weis=white zulassen=allow
01:03 MinceR; matey: you're thinking of "weiss" :>
01:03 DaemonFC; Jim UberWeiss
01:03 matey; mincer: like you wont know what dfc means if he starts ranting about blacs
01:04 MinceR; lol
01:04 bnchs; you know blacks
01:04 matey; Jim the WEISS ANGEL!
01:04 bnchs; blah blah blah chicago
01:04 bnchs; they gun up like san andreas
01:05 matey; <bnchs> matey: imagine doing this hack <- was waiting for the punchline
01:05 bnchs; matey: xterm, a program from the 1980's
01:06 bnchs; CAN ACTUALLY MAXIMIZE
01:06 matey; bnchs: yes and no
01:06 bnchs; yes and no?
01:06 matey; yes its maximised right now
01:07 matey; no, it doesnt go to the entire right side of the screen, even in a tiling wm
01:07 bnchs; well a step above CMD
01:07 matey; the distance from the right side varies depending on text size
01:07 bnchs; where it only maximizes to the entire left side
01:07 matey; of course its a step above cmd :)
01:08 matey; though honestly with the hack i found, cmd might actually maximise better than xterm
01:08 psydruid; it's as if someone at Microsoft thought of all the things you can get wrong about computers and decided to call it Windows (into his twisted soul)
01:08 matey; then again it might make the bitmap fonts pixelly :)
01:08 matey; it's as if someone at Microsoft thought of all the things you can get wrong about computers and decided to call it Windows <- or alternatively
01:08 matey; its as if all they thought about at microsoft was being cheap and making money
01:08 matey; and controlling users
01:09 bnchs; well even then
01:09 bnchs; powershell and CMD can't compete with many GNU/Linux terminals
01:09 bnchs; like xfce4-terminal
01:09 bnchs; and konsole and shit
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01:10 TR News; Deja Vu: Published 4 Days Ago, Battistelli Celebrating UPCA Signed Almost 10 Years Ago! | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/upc-deja-vu/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/10/upc-deja-vu/
01:10 TR Bot; Deja Vu: Published 4 Days Ago, Battistelli Celebrating UPCA Signed Almost 10 Years Ago! | Techrights
01:11 matey; xfce4-term doesnt maximise properly either
01:11 psydruid; powershell syntax is so intuitive that only an alien can learn it
01:11 matey; i set out to learn powershell at one point
01:11 matey; then i realised that even if i went to the trouble of getting it running outside windows
01:12 matey; it would always be something microsoft controlled
01:12 matey; and that made it next to useless
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01:12 matey; this was a long fucking time ago
01:13 matey; i used to give a shit if ansi escape codes worked in windows, enough to add colorama to one of my projects
01:13 psydruid; if I have to go to the trouble of learning that, just give me haskell
01:13 matey; after microsoft bought github i was like fuck it, youre on your own (there are various ways to get ansi support in windows 10)
01:13 matey; (the most trivial being ansicon)
01:14 matey; <psydruid> if I have to go to the trouble of learning that, just give me haskell <- good choice
01:19 bnchs__; uhhh
01:20 bnchs__; have you ever used a BBS
01:20 matey; a few
01:20 bnchs__; the only times i did was over SSH
01:20 matey; some no name ones, some well known ones
01:20 bnchs__; i could do telnet but too afraid of my ISP
01:20 matey; /me checks when ssh was invented :)
01:21 matey; In 1995, Tatu Ylnen, a researcher at Helsinki University of Technology, Finland, designed the first version of the protocol (now called SSH-1)
01:21 matey; i was using bbs before that
01:21 bnchs__; over telnet?
01:22 bnchs__; or some other protocol
01:22 matey; so what you would do is
01:22 matey; youd dial the bbs
01:22 matey; and then some program would connect to it
01:24 bnchs__; matey: dial up modems?
01:25 TR News; ______________________________ | Gemini address: ______________________________
01:28 TR News; Reading the news will, in general, give one the false impression that the only difficulty at the EPO is related to COVID-19 http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/epo-media-coverup/
01:28 TR Bot; How Media Helped the EPO Cover Up the EPO Crisis (Including Severe Escalations and Plunge in Patent Grants) | Techrights
01:28 TR News; Back in 2013, says this new article, as president of the European Patent Office (EPO), Battistelli was celebrating the historic signing of the Unified Patent Court agreement; were in April 2022 already and they tell us the same story http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/upc-deja-vu/
01:28 TR Bot; Deja Vu: Published 4 Days Ago, Battistelli Celebrating UPCA Signed Almost 10 Years Ago! | Techrights
01:29 TR News; Review: dahliaOS 220222 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163584
01:29 TR Bot; Review: dahliaOS 220222 | Tux Machines
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01:30 TR News; GIMP is the best, Glimpse was just trolling the name https://www.creativebloq.com/reviews/gimp
01:30 TR Bot; GIMP 2.10 review | Creative Bloq
01:31 TR News; Better solution is to delete Windows https://www.argus-press.com/news/national/article_6896dd33-51ad-580e-9612-c53d039fb468.html see http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/
01:31 TR Bot; Enhances Key Ransomware Defense Solution | National | argus-press.com
01:31 TR Bot; Microsoft-Centric Ransomware Task Force | Techrights
01:32 matey; bnchs__ i used dos to connect to a bbs with a modem
01:32 matey; using some kind of modem "chat" software
01:32 matey; but i dont know what it was called
01:33 bnchs__; wow must have been cool
01:38 DaemonFC; I gave the kitties a can of tuna I found in the pantry.
01:38 DaemonFC; They seem to be enjoying it.
01:39 schestowitz-TR; you seem to have gotten on track now
01:39 *psydruid missed the whole dos era and wouldn't never have been a windows user if he had known there were alternatives when he got his first x86 pc
01:39 schestowitz-TR; half a ton of litter
01:39 schestowitz-TR; for the buick
01:39 schestowitz-TR; to stress-test it
01:39 MinceR; :)
01:39 psydruid; would*
01:40 matey; <psydruid> ACTION missed the whole dos era <- i spent years playing with dos and hoping they would make "linux" more dos-like until i finally got the hang of bash
01:40 matey; byt the time i was writing lengthy bash tutorials i was over dos
01:40 matey; this woudl have happened years sooner IF SOMEONE HAD GIVEN ME KSH INSTEAD
01:40 matey; /me sets bash on fire
01:41 DaemonFC; Half a ton is half the weight of the car.
01:41 DaemonFC; Which is about the right weight for a car.
01:41 DaemonFC; Even this one isn't as big as my old Crown Victoria was.
01:42 DaemonFC; MinceR knows how much I like land barges, and cats.
01:43 schestowitz-TR; \me test
01:43 *schestowitz-TR test
01:43 schestowitz-TR; matey: the slash you use for me is wrong, I think
01:43 schestowitz-TR; maybe your bsd software uses some other char, I've not checked
01:43 matey; \me hi
01:43 matey; /me hi
01:43 schestowitz-TR; <matey> \me hi
01:43 DaemonFC; I don't like bash. I like fish better.
01:44 matey; i normally use this one:
01:44 matey; /me hi
01:44 schestowitz-TR; yes, it does not work
01:44 DaemonFC; "yt-dlp-fish-completion"
01:44 MinceR; i prefer zsh
01:44 matey; yes, i have noticed
01:44 DaemonFC; Oh my! :)
01:44 schestowitz-TR; in konversation, xchat etc. and the server side (ircd)
01:44 matey; /me cant stand zsh but isnt against it
01:44 psydruid; I prefer powerlessshell
01:45 bnchs__; i wish i was born in the same era as BBS dial up
01:46 DaemonFC; Fish has a lot of the features people seem to rave about with zsh. It also has its own shell script that is sans bashisms and POSIX stupidity and common POSIX shell bugs.
01:46 DaemonFC; But it's POSIX-like when it makes sense.
01:47 matey; of those mentioned so far, only fish is github-based
01:47 matey; zsh is sf
01:47 DaemonFC; It doesn't really need to be strictly bash or POSIX compatible because those scripts should run specifying the shell they want and most users aren't actually going to replace their login shell, but rather the command that runs when you open a GUI terminal application.
01:48 matey; ksh may be mirrored on gh but openbsd has its own repo (its the default shell)
01:49 matey; im still salty about the bloat / insanity in bash and any shell with MORE features isnt something im likely to enjoy using
01:49 matey; bash has so many fucking features its less predictable / more trouble to use
01:49 matey; i just didnt know.
01:50 matey; i spent so long getting used to its quirks it never occurred to me that less-bullshit shells were in common use
01:50 DaemonFC; There's multiple ksh shells. There's MirBSD Korn Shell, the various official Korn Shells, the Public Domain Korn Shell, etc.
01:50 matey; thats a fair statement
01:50 matey; the one in openbsd is pdksh
01:52 matey; im not angry that bash exists, im (at best) inconvenienced by the fact that its so promoted
01:52 DaemonFC; mksh is probably the best option.
01:52 matey; i honestly think if ksh were used (nearly) everywhere bash is, that more people would be more comfortable with the shell
01:53 DaemonFC; You could change OpenBSD to use it and I'm fairly confident nothing would break, even if you make it your login shell.
01:53 matey; mksh is probably the best option. <- availability is a factor, always was
01:53 matey; /me checks availability
01:53 DaemonFC; Debian's description of it says it is DFSG compliant and that the system won't break if it's your login shell.
01:53 DaemonFC; So that's nice!
01:54 matey; pkg_info mksh turned up nothing
01:54 matey; id probably have to compile it
01:55 matey; whats the advantage over pdksh?
01:55 DaemonFC; I think it's just better maintained and more features are being implemented.
01:55 DaemonFC; Active development.
01:55 DaemonFC; "
01:55 DaemonFC; mksh can do many things GNU bash cant, for example better arrays, the ksh Co-processes, etc. but is much faster and smaller. In contrast to bash, mksh is still being actively developed (bash almost only receives small changes or weird stuff like programmable tab completion). GNU bashs array initialiser syntax is not yet supported. We dont aim at being fully bash compatible, but some of the surprises for converts will be rem
01:55 DaemonFC; oved. Funnily, bash4 now contains some things first introduced in mksh."
01:56 matey; " better maintained" <- im sure openbsd maintains their own ksh sufficiently
01:56 DaemonFC; Enough that it works.
01:56 matey; " and more features" <- exactly what i prefer to avoid
01:56 DaemonFC; There's a difference between works and creature comforts and correctness obviously.
01:57 matey; Enough that it works. <- no, im pretty sure openbsd considers it of vital importance, its not just some package
01:57 matey; they maintain an entire os. ksh is pretty important to that.
01:57 matey; "creature comforts" <- i want predictability, bash doesnt have enough of that
01:58 matey; if bash has too many features, i probably dont want "creature comforts"
01:58 matey; i want to be able to type in a line for the shell and not guess what it will do
01:58 matey; the simplicity is the comfort i want
01:58 matey; granted i seem to be a minority in this, but i still think thats weird
01:59 matey; i was never happy with dash though
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.83 k/sec., IPFS upstream 40.40 average k/sec., average swarm size 390.76
02:00 DaemonFC; dash isn't meant to be a good interactive shell
02:00 matey; mksh can do many things GNU bash cant, for example better arrays <- arrays are good
02:01 matey; dash isn't meant to be a good interactive shell <- understood. and it isnt.
02:01 DaemonFC; When Ubuntu changed to it for the scripting shell to speed up initscripts (mainly) I decided to set my login shell to dash.
02:01 DaemonFC; *barf*
02:01 DaemonFC; I set it back pretty fast.
02:01 matey; yeah
02:01 matey; it serves a purpose
02:02 matey; i tried using it for a shell and had a similar experience as you
02:02 DaemonFC; But we're moving way past initscripts, even for compatibility.
02:02 matey; too bad, because it made me think any lightweight shell would also suck
02:02 DaemonFC; Fedora is even purging the 120,000 lines of ifcfg crap in fedora 36.
02:02 DaemonFC; And the even larger test suites.
02:03 DaemonFC; Instead of just running a script and only being able to guess how it all ties together and what the shell will do with it due to the shell's own bugs, and having it be slow and full of odd security holes, just get rid of it and run a program that behaves predictably and performs well.
02:04 matey; just get rid of it and run a program that behaves predictably and performs well. <- this is exactly why i love (pd)ksh
02:04 matey; and when thats not good enough, python
02:04 DaemonFC; A significant amount of maintaining scripts for everything previously was just trying to work around bugs in software that often had hostile and difficult maintainers.
02:04 matey; though python 3 is heavily fucked with
02:04 DaemonFC; It has a Code of Conduct and code you write today will need to be significantly re-architected every 10 years or so.
02:05 DaemonFC; That still counts as three strikes all by itself.
02:05 matey; i dont use python 3
02:05 DaemonFC; Python 2 is long since dead, and removed by most distributions.
02:06 matey; thats really not true though
02:06 DaemonFC; Unless you're using some really old version of RHEL or something, I don't know if it's even THERE come to think of it.
02:06 matey; its corporate propaganda
02:06 matey; pypy2 has no plans to abandon python 2 compatibility
02:06 DaemonFC; Perl is worse.
02:06 DaemonFC; Especially the CPAN.
02:06 matey; pypy has no plans to ^
02:07 TR News; 400 More Gemini Capsules in Just 2.5 Months | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/400-more-gemini-capsules/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/10/400-more-gemini-capsules/
02:07 TR Bot; 400 More Gemini Capsules in Just 2.5 Months | Techrights
02:07 matey; pypy is actively maintained, so this bs about python 2 not being maintained is crap
02:07 matey; its nicer to write for pypy2 than python 3
02:07 matey; and its stable
02:07 matey; which python 3 will never be
02:07 matey; and its a lot simpler
02:08 DaemonFC; Woke trolls infest things.
02:08 DaemonFC; Run people off.
02:08 DaemonFC; Code goes to shit.
02:08 matey; if i dont ever find a better language
02:08 DaemonFC; That's why I said that having a Code of Conduct is the first two strikes against something.
02:08 matey; i may even fork python 2 and strip it down
02:08 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, most do now.
02:08 TR News; "Josh and Kurt talk about hackers using emergency data requests to gain access to sensitive data. The argument that somehow backdoors can be protected falls under this problem. We dont yet have the technical or policy protections in place to actually protect this data." https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/04/10/episode-318-social-engineering-and-why-zlib-got-a-2018-cve-id/
02:08 matey; well nearly every language
02:08 TR Bot; Episode 318 Social engineering and why zlib got a 2018 CVE ID Open Source Security
02:08 matey; yes
02:08 matey; i was just going to say that
02:08 matey; and theyre nearly all github based now
02:09 matey; lua isnt, they dont have a public repo at all. heres your tarball. have fun.
02:09 matey; you get the source, development is private.
02:09 matey; you can always fork.
02:09 matey; the main thing i would do with lua is implement another language on top of it
02:10 matey; but if it doesnt have the basic features i want, its not worth the effort
02:10 matey; for example, python is WONDERFUL about hash tables and list handling
02:10 matey; lua might make me do half of that by hand
02:11 matey; pypy is a better optino
02:11 TR News; http
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02:11 TR Bot; Linux 5.18-rc2 | Tux Machines
02:11 matey; since i write most code in my own language, i may be able to move from python to lua with minimal or no changes
02:11 matey; but it might be worthwhile to fork python 2 and strip it down instead
02:12 TR News; rowing focus and of course time is being spent on Gemini (and alt text to ensure readers who are blind arent left out). Hours ago Lupa was indicating that there are now about 2,400 known Gemini capsules http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/400-more-gemini-capsules/
02:12 TR Bot; 400 More Gemini Capsules in Just 2.5 Months | Techrights
02:15 matey; i almost never use 3rd party libraries
02:16 matey; the exception used to be pygame, i dont use it anymore
02:16 matey; i dont know if tkinter even counts, since its required to run idle.
02:16 matey; i only use tkinter for one or two projects
02:18 matey; to port my language to lua i would need to research about 100 features, plus things like array handling
02:21 matey; features like how to swap values, how to run a shell command, how to open a file, how to set the value of an item in an array
02:22 matey; lua is dynamically typed, which is what i want
02:23 matey; its list handling and similar data structures are unified through the "table" feature
02:24 matey; one thing i would sorely miss if lua didnt support it, is the ability to pipe console output back to a list
02:24 matey; os.popen does this in python
02:24 matey; "Although Lua does not have a built-in concept of classes, object-oriented programming can be emulated using functions and tables. An object is formed by putting methods and fields in a table."
02:24 matey; good enough for me
02:25 matey; moonscript, haxe, fennel, urn and amulet all compile TO lua code
02:26 matey; so if i moved my language to lua it would be among those
02:28 TR News; Links 10/04/2022: MX Linux 21.1 Wildflower and Linux 5.18 RC2 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/mx-linux-21-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/10/mx-linux-21-1/
02:29 TR Bot; Links 10/04/2022: MX Linux 21.1 Wildflower and Linux 5.18 RC2 Released | Techrights
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02:34 TR News; Raspberry PI Pico and Raspberry PI With Debian Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163586
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02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, April 10, 2022
02:41 DaemonFC; I like the logo. An Ouroboros.
02:41 TR News; Links 10/04/2022: MX Linux 21.1 Wildflower and Linux 5.18 RC2 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/mx-linux-21-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/10/mx-linux-21-1/
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02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, April 10, 2022
02:47 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-04-10.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-04-10.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
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02:56 matey; one of the reasons i dont move my language to something like haskell (at least its not my first choice) is because one of the features of the language is that its implemented in a language suitable for education / beginners
02:56 matey; so is lua. haskell less so.
02:56 matey; you can learn any language first of course. unless youre 5.
02:57 matey; you can do basic at 5. most "modern" languages less so
02:57 matey; the guy who wrote "forg" (its a gopher client in python) teaches the shell to his kid
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02:57 matey; which is good, i used dos when i was 5.
02:57 matey; you typed in the name of a program and it ran
02:58 matey; to run pc paintbrush from zsoft, you put the diskette in and typed:
02:58 matey; pbrush
02:58 matey; thats easy enough
02:59 TR News; Software Patents: "The 066 patent is generally directed to a behavior management system that allows users to track and compare fitness and health-related data." https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/3/30/fat-statz-patent-held-invalid
02:59 Alternative link; CloudFlare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/3/30/fat-statz-patent-held-invalid https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/3/30/fat-statz-patent-held-invalid
02:59 TR Bot; Fat Statz patent held invalid Unified Patents
02:59 matey; to this day when i want to start a program (ive used countless shells, even made some of my own) i open a term with alt+shift+enter and type what i want to run
03:00 matey; if i want the shell to close i add &exit
03:00 TR News; Throwing Software Patents in the bin https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/3/31/2000-for-linfo-ip-prior-art-132
03:00 Alternative link; CloudFlare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/3/31/2000-for-linfo-ip-prior-art-132 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/3/31/2000-for-linfo-ip-prior-art-132
03:00 TR Bot; $2,000 for Linfo IP '132 prior art Unified Patents
03:01 matey; sometimes i just move the shell to another virtual desktop with alt+shift+number of desktop to move it to
03:01 matey; though i think for beginners, icewm is a lot friendlier
03:02 schestowitz-TR; going to record a video
03:02 schestowitz-TR; I found a very nice freesw tool
03:02 *schestowitz-TR used DOS at age 5 as well
03:03 schestowitz-TR; (friend's PC)
03:03 matey; we had a lot of new tech in my house, for a variety of reasons
03:03 matey; we had a cd player in like 83
03:04 matey; deals with japan got us some good prices on certain things
03:04 matey; but the computer stuff had nothing to do with that
03:05 matey; i think i would have learned more if id used a c64 through the 80s
03:05 matey; i really have no use for one at this point, but ive had c64 envy for most of my life. theyre really very cool.
03:05 matey; obviously ive played with a couple
03:06 matey; i also got to play with an xo-1 once. the only time i went to a "lug" actually.
03:06 matey; so that was a lucky chance meeting
03:07 matey; the screen is very impractical for an adult. then again i had a lemote and (at one point) a smartphone, and i dont know if id say the xo-1 is worse
03:08 matey; it was my curiosity about the sugar platform that got me into python
03:08 matey; and into trisquel
03:10 matey; i actually made a program that compiles to shell scripts, so my wife could use the shell with less hassle
03:10 matey; she wasnt interested in learning bash. because of this mini language she didnt have to
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03:11 matey; i got her using the shell for maintaining a server which she ran a website from
03:11 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 36 GB TotalOut: 8.0 GB
03:12 matey; she loved gnome 2, hated gnome 3
03:12 matey; settled on xfce since mate was harder to get
03:12 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:13 matey; you wont find me saying much about her online, unless its about computing
03:13 IPFS; QmbtfZ2MSwgVe48AYaCyyRJLCKzUzRJAc2sRLYJGrNXrJf
03:13 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
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03:19 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/florida-has-already-wasted-over-700k-of-taxpayer-funds-defending-its-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/
03:19 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/florida-has-already-wasted-over-700k-of-taxpayer-funds-defending-its-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/florida-has-already-wasted-over-700k-of-taxpayer-funds-defending-its-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/
03:19 TR Bot; Has Already Wasted Over $700k Of Taxpayer Funds Defending Its Unconstitutional Content Moderation Bill | Techdirt
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04:06 matey; not a user myself, though fuck if i know what good a pinky nail is unless its for doing coke
04:06 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, April 10, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
04:06 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
04:06 matey; theyre really annoying
04:06 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:06 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
04:10 TR News; "why is it impossible to actually understand the price of a hotel" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
04:11 TR News; New: OS/2 gemini://jan.bio/glog/20220410-os2.gmi "Last time I used OS/2 was back in the 90s, when I had installed it as my only operating system on my PC."
04:12 TR News; "Date of Expiration is such an amazing module in spite of the tech theme. A module with a map this quality, encounter tables this rich, and cross-references this thorough one of the top adventures Ive ever ran." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/modules-and-toolboxes
04:14 TR News; "(Gamergate showed how very, very wrong I was about that, and now I think that show was good since those 101 basic points was not was universally agreed-upon and known as I believed.)" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/art-that-broke-mold
04:15 schestowitz; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D557.jpg
04:15 schestowitz; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D199.jpg
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04:17 TR News; "The content below was created by pygsgallery.py which is included in my PicoPygments repository." https://dt.iki.fi/pygments-gallery
04:17 TR Bot; style gallery | dt.iki.fi
04:18 TR News; "Write programs that do one thing and do it well." https://matt-rickard.com/every-unix-command-becomes-a-startup/
04:18 Alternative link; CloudFlare: matt-rickard.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/every-unix-command-becomes-a-startup/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://matt-rickard.com/every-unix-command-becomes-a-startup/
04:18 TR Bot; Every Unix Command Becomes a Startup
04:18 TR News; "Suppose, not hypothetically, that you have a Linux system where SSH logins are authenticated with passwords and then a MFA challenge" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/PAMStackingAndStopping
04:18 Alternative link; CloudFlare: utoronto.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/PAMStackingAndStopping https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/PAMStackingAndStopping
04:18 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/PAMStackingAndStopping
04:19 TR News; "There are two forms for these controls; the 'historical' and still very common single-word form that uses things like 'required' and 'sufficient'" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/PAMModuleResultsEffects
04:19 Alternative link; CloudFlare: utoronto.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/PAMModuleResultsEffects https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/PAMModuleResultsEffects
04:19 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/PAMModuleResultsEffects
04:19 matey; there is a fuckload of perl in the free software directory
04:20 matey; maybe two
04:20 TR News; "Both of these use at least one option that is entirely redundant, and the second can cause ssh to fail to connect if you happen to be using password authentication." https://tookmund.com/2021/10/ssh-port-forwarding
04:20 TR Bot; Port Forwarding and the Command Cargo Cult Tookmund A place for my random thoughts about software
04:20 TR News; "Teletypes may have killed a lot of forests by emitting every line to hard copy instead of a screen" https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2022/04/tonight-were-gonna-log-on-like-its-1979.html
04:20 TR Bot; Old Vintage Computing Research: Tonight we're gonna log on like it's 1979 (Telenet, Dialcom and The Source)
04:21 matey; i wonder how much of it actually gets used
04:22 TR News; iophk: obvious GPL violations, all the while the dealer lie about "IP" "protection" https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/let's-talk-about-source-code,-right-to:7
04:22 Alternative link; CloudFlare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/let's-talk-about-source-code,-right-to:7 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/let's-talk-about-source-code,-right-to:7
04:22 TR Bot; Let's talk about source code, Right to Repair, and massive deflection by John Deere.
04:22 matey; i mean metacpan probably has stats
04:23 TR News; Burned by EPO giving it fake patents https://www.kulr8.com/news/money/forward-pharma-reports-financial-and-operating-results-for-the-year-ended-december-31-2021/article_85597d74-c19f-5977-add8-12ee947701c3.html
04:23 TR Bot; Pharma Reports Financial and Operating Results for the Year Ended December 31, 2021 | Your Money | kulr8.com
04:23 matey; and i think its still true after you remove perl projects that are github-based
04:27 AdmFubar; https://symantec-enterprise-blogs.security.com/blogs/threat-intelligence/cicada-apt10-china-ngo-government-attacks
04:27 Alternative link; CloudFlare: security.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://symantec-enterprise-blogs.security.com/blogs/threat-intelligence/cicada-apt10-china-ngo-government-attacks https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://symantec-enterprise-blogs.security.com/blogs/threat-intelligence/cicada-apt10-china-ngo-government-attacks
04:27 TR Bot; Cicada: Chinese APT Group Widens Targeting in Recent Espionage Activity | Symantec Blogs
04:30 AdmFubar; https://www.theverge.com/23017361/ifixit-right-to-repair-parts-google-samsung-valve-microsoft
04:30 TR Bot; The era of fixing your own phone has nearly arrived - The Verge
04:36 TR News; Voyager 22.04-beta is out http://voyagerlive.org/
04:36 TR Bot;
04:39 TR News; "One defining trait of Unix is that, in principle, everything is a file." https://matt-rickard.com/plan9-everything-is-a-file/
04:39 Alternative link; CloudFlare: matt-rickard.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/plan9-everything-is-a-file/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://matt-rickard.com/plan9-everything-is-a-file/
04:39 TR Bot; Plan9: Everything is (Really) a File
04:41 TR News; Raspberry Pi OS Loses Default Pi User for Security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163489#comment-33328
04:41 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi OS removes default "Pi" username, adds experimental support for Wayland | Tux Machines
04:47 AdmFubar; :)) https://www.vice.com/en/article/3abwj3/play-to-earn-game-token-collapses-after-hacker-cashes-out
04:47 TR Bot; Play-to-Earn Game Token Collapses After Hacker Cashes Out
04:56 AdmFubar; https://www.pogowasright.org/law-prof-suggests-geofence-warrants-are-a-net-gain-for-the-public-even-if-they-invert-the-probable-cause-standard/
04:56 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pogowasright.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pogowasright.org/law-prof-suggests-geofence-warrants-are-a-net-gain-for-the-public-even-if-they-invert-the-probable-cause-standard/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.pogowasright.org/law-prof-suggests-geofence-warrants-are-a-net-gain-for-the-public-even-if-they-invert-the-probable-cause-standard/
04:56 TR Bot; Law Prof Suggests Geofence Warrants Are A Net Gain For The Public, Even If They Invert The Probable Cause Standard
04:58 TR News; "This may look like a normal robot lawnmower, the sort that trundles mindlessly around suburban lawns all over the country" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-mows-lawns
04:58 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi and Raspberry Pi Pico Team Up for Robot Lawnmower Project | Tom's Hardware
04:58 TR News; "Many circuits, such as a computer power supply or a phone charger, require a stable voltage reference" http://www.righto.com/2022/04/reverse-engineering-lm185-voltage.html
04:58 Alternative link; CloudFlare: righto.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.righto.com/2022/04/reverse-engineering-lm185-voltage.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/http://www.righto.com/2022/04/reverse-engineering-lm185-voltage.html
04:58 TR Bot; Reverse-engineering the LM185 voltage reference chip and its bandgap reference
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04:59 TR News; "The TI OMAP - Open Multimedia Application Platform - series powered some of the most influential devices over the years, smartphones..." https://www.gsmarena.com/flashback_remembering_all_the_awesome_devices_that_were_powered_by_ti_omap_chips-news-53892.php
04:59 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gsmarena.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gsmarena.com/flashback_remembering_all_the_awesome_devices_that_were_powered_by_ti_omap_chips-news-53892.php https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gsmarena.com/flashback_remembering_all_the_awesome_devices_that_were_powered_by_ti_omap_chips-news-53892.php
04:59 TR Bot; remembering the awesome devices powered by TI OMAP chips - GSMArena.com news
05:02 DaemonFC; https://nitter.eu/pic/media%2FFP90tTjXEAscqTO.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig
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05:07 TR News; curl 7.82.0 Adds --json Option https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28510
05:07 TR Bot; InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
05:07 TR News; "One area of interest involves what has been labelled Collapse Informatics" https://criticaledtech.com/2022/04/08/what-might-degrowth-computing-look-like/
05:07 TR Bot; What might degrowth computing look like? Critical Studies of EDUCATION & TECHNOLOGY
05:07 TR News; "This post shows how to use rjags R package to perform Bayesian MCMC estimation with multiple linear regression example." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/bayesian-estimation-by-using-rjags-package/
05:08 Alternative link; CloudFlare: r-bloggers.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/bayesian-estimation-by-using-rjags-package/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/bayesian-estimation-by-using-rjags-package/
05:08 TR Bot; Estimation by using rjags Package | R-bloggers
05:08 TR News; "Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok you name it, they are all concerned with the bottom line" https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/don-t-want-to-be-abused-online-simple,-stay-away-from-social-media.html
05:08 Alternative link; CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/don-t-want-to-be-abused-online-simple,-stay-away-from-social-media.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/don-t-want-to-be-abused-online-simple,-stay-away-from-social-media.html
05:08 TR Bot; - Don't want to be abused online? Simple, stay away from social media
05:09 TR News; Windows TCO: "Since Wednesday 2022-03-30, at least 16 samples of a specific Excel file have been submitted to VirusTotal." https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28522
05:09 TR Bot; InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
05:09 TR News; SAP corruption https://www.techzim.co.zw/2022/04/drama-behind-high-court-ruling-zimdef-sap-tender-illegal/
05:09 TR Bot; The crazy drama behind the High Court ruling ZIMDEF's SAP software tender is illegal - Techzim
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05:22 TR News; Effectively Responding to Fake News in the Age of Corrupt EPO Management, Controlled by Team UPC/Litigation Lobby | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/responding-to-fake-news/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/10/responding-to-fake-news/
05:22 TR Bot; Effectively Responding to Fake News in the Age of Corrupt EPO Management, Controlled by Team UPC/Litigation Lobby | Techrights
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08:53 TR News; MX-21.1 Wildflower based on Debian 11 without systemd support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163590
08:53 TR Bot; MX-21.1 Wildflower based on Debian 11 without systemd support | Tux Machines
08:53 TR News; 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: April 10th, 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163591
08:53 TR Bot; 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: April 10th, 2022 | Tux Machines
08:53 immibis; is it coincidence that nitter = twitter + n-word?
08:54 schestowitz-TR; it's not true
08:54 schestowitz-TR; nwitter.com?
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09:20 immibis; nitter, not nwitter
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10:05 TR News; "In the current version of macOS, Monterey, on every system update on a system containing an M1 chip, such as all the new shiny/fast ARM" https://sneak.berlin/20220409/apple-is-still-tracking-you-without-consent/
10:05 Alternative link; CloudFlare: sneak.berlin | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sneak.berlin/20220409/apple-is-still-tracking-you-without-consent/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://sneak.berlin/20220409/apple-is-still-tracking-you-without-consent/
10:05 TR Bot; Jeffrey Paul: Apple is Still Tracking You Without Consent
10:27 TR News; Facebook being Facebook https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-61012398
10:27 TR Bot; Putin's mysterious Facebook 'superfans' on a mission - BBC News
10:27 TR News; Misinformation on the Net https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/poland-ukraine-ties-target-russian-disinformation-83992663
10:27 TR Bot; Poland-Ukraine ties seen as target of Russian disinformation - ABC News
10:29 TR News; Journalist Amber Athey contended that the United States is not a free democracy after she was fired from a radio station after she tweeted https://thehill.com/hilltv/3262711-athey-speech-isnt-free-if-it-cant-be-used-to-criticize-powerful-politicians/
10:29 TR Bot; Athey: Speech isnt free if it cant be used to criticize powerful politicians | The Hill
10:30 TR News; Freedom of the Press https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/national/20058076.protesters-mark-third-anniversary-julian-assanges-arrest/
10:30 TR Bot; Protesters mark third anniversary of Julian Assanges arrest | Hampshire Chronicle
10:30 TR News; "The 50-year-old Australian was dragged from London's Ecuador Embassy on 11 April 2019 to face extradition to the United States on espionage charges" https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/its-been-three-years-since-julian-assange-was-imprisoned-advocates-say-its-time-to-let-him-go/52uu0s9b0
10:30 TR Bot; It's been three years since Julian Assange was imprisoned. Advocates say it's time to let him go
10:31 TR News; "Ecuadorian authorities Friday raided the office of Swedish cyber security expert Ola Bini, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assanges friend" https://www.laprensalatina.com/ecuador-raids-office-of-swedish-computer-scientist-friend-of-assange/
10:31 Alternative link; CloudFlare: laprensalatina.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.laprensalatina.com/ecuador-raids-office-of-swedish-computer-scientist-friend-of-assange/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.laprensalatina.com/ecuador-raids-office-of-swedish-computer-scientist-friend-of-assange/
10:31 TR Bot; Ecuador raids office of Swedish computer scientist friend of Assange - La Prensa Latina Media
10:31 TR News; "We're not strictly anti-algorithm. Algorithms are like equations, right? They appear all over the place and do different things." https://reason.com/2022/04/10/are-newsletters-the-future-of-free-speech/
10:31 Alternative link; CloudFlare: reason.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://reason.com/2022/04/10/are-newsletters-the-future-of-free-speech/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://reason.com/2022/04/10/are-newsletters-the-future-of-free-speech/
10:31 TR Bot; Are Newsletters the Future of Free Speech?
10:32 TR News; "These are all things that cement the states power and further its reach, while making citizens dependent on the state for survival." https://alirezahayati.com/2022/04/10/human-rights-and-the-system/
10:32 TR Bot; Human rights and the system - Ali Reza Hayati
10:35 TR News; "Most pirate sites try not to grab the attention of rightsholders and anti-piracy groups" https://torrentfreak.com/popular-torrent-site-lists-mpas-content-protection-chief-as-owner-220410/
↺ https://torrentfreak.com/popular-torrent-site-lists-mpas-content-protection-chief-as-owner-220410/
10:35 Alternative link; CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/popular-torrent-site-lists-mpas-content-protection-chief-as-owner-220410/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/popular-torrent-site-lists-mpas-content-protection-chief-as-owner-220410/
10:35 TR Bot; Torrent Site Lists MPA's Content Protection Chief as Owner * TorrentFreak
10:37 TR News; The Day of the Jackal gemini://nytpu.com/flightlog/
10:43 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163592
10:43 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
10:53 activelow; out of curiosity, compared aarch64/neon-simd with aarch32/hardfloat-abi optimization on cortex a53: zero difference
10:54 activelow; the main bottleneck is probably the tiniest 256KiB L2 cache shared among 4 cores anyway
10:55 TR News; "It should come as no surprise that Facebook, alongside many big tech companies, opposes anti-monopoly regulatory efforts, expanding antitrust rules" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/10/move-over-weapons-makers-facebooks-wants-its-war-profits-too
10:55 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/10/move-over-weapons-makers-facebooks-wants-its-war-profits-too https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/10/move-over-weapons-makers-facebooks-wants-its-war-profits-too
10:55 TR Bot; Opinion | Move Over Weapons Makers, Facebooks Wants Its War Profits Too | Eli Clifton
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 79.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 322.11
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11:24 psydruid; 4.x was unusable until 4.4 or 4.5
11:24 psydruid; and now they've done something else to it
11:24 psydruid; Tim Pearson, the OpenPOWER guy at Raptor
11:25 TR News; Starbucks should go down the drain with the coffee https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/10/its-organized-starbucks-workers-vs-oligarchs-city-buffalo
11:25 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/10/its-organized-starbucks-workers-vs-oligarchs-city-buffalo https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/10/its-organized-starbucks-workers-vs-oligarchs-city-buffalo
11:25 TR Bot; Opinion | It's Organized Starbucks Workers vs. Oligarchs in the City of Buffalo | Sam Pizzigati
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11:28 TR News; 2022 Hacks with Friends | Office of the VPIT-CIO | University of Michigan https://it.umich.edu/community/hacks-with-friends/2022
11:28 TR Bot; 2022 Hacks with Friends | Office of the VPIT-CIO | University of Michigan
11:29 TR News; Social control media https://www.ringsidenews.com/2022/04/10/ryback-threatens-to-visit-twitter-headquarters-over-censoring-him/
11:29 Alternative link; CloudFlare: ringsidenews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ringsidenews.com/2022/04/10/ryback-threatens-to-visit-twitter-headquarters-over-censoring-him/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.ringsidenews.com/2022/04/10/ryback-threatens-to-visit-twitter-headquarters-over-censoring-him/
11:29 TR Bot; Ryback Threatens To Visit Twitter Headquarters Over Censoring Him
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12:05 TR News; links-11042022-mx-21-1-wildflower-and-os2-nostalgia | Gemini address: links-11042022-mx-21-1-wildflower-and-os2-nostalgia
12:06 TR News; Links 11/04/2022: MX-21.1 Wildflower and OS/2 Nostalgia | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/11/mx-21-1-wildflower/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/11/mx-21-1-wildflower/
12:06 TR Bot; Links 11/04/2022: MX-21.1 Wildflower and OS/2 Nostalgia | Techrights
12:07 TR News; Open Hardware Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163593
12:07 TR Bot; Open Hardware Leftovers | Tux Machines
12:08 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163594
12:08 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
12:09 TR News; Budget Session 2021: A Digital Rights Review https://internetfreedom.in/budget-session-2022-review/ Source: internetfreedom
12:09 Alternative link; CloudFlare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/budget-session-2022-review/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://internetfreedom.in/budget-session-2022-review/
12:09 TR Bot; Budget Session 2021: A Digital Rights Review
12:15 TR News; Kodachi 8.16 https://www.digi77.com/linux-kodachi/
12:15 TR Bot; Linux Kodachi 8.16 The Secure OS | Eagle Eye | Nonprofit Organization
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12:22 bnchs; hello
12:22 schestowitz-TR; hellp
12:22 schestowitz-TR; *o
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12:54 bnchs; so apparentally
12:54 bnchs; there was a vulnerability in nvidia GPUs
12:54 bnchs; or nvidia GPU drivers
12:55 bnchs; that allowed you to "brick" the GPU
12:55 bnchs; by using a corrupt model
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12:55 schestowitz-TR; there have always been ,amu
12:55 schestowitz-TR; the rumour is
12:55 schestowitz-TR; they might be planning to do their own free driver
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12:56 bnchs; the vulnerability was actually exploited in game
12:56 bnchs; games*
12:56 bnchs; to brick people's GPUs
12:56 bnchs; and it was patched by nvidia
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12:59 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, really?
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 81.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 382.20
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13:37 bnchs; https://nitter.net/reddit_lies/status/1510622266979192838
13:37 TR Bot; Reddit Lies (@reddit_lies): "Reddit employee u/Chtorrr was caught cheating on r/place. Threads calling him out were subsequently banned." | nitter
13:37 bnchs; it's not that the employee was cheating
13:37 bnchs; it's that he resorted to censorship
13:37 bnchs; when there were threads calling him out
13:40 bnchs; https://nitter.net/WhiteForAReason/status/1510633712354009092
13:40 TR Bot; E-E-Eve (@WhiteForAReason): "I looked into it. "Trolls" kept drawing a picture of a cat and the seething mod was using his powers to erase it. Little did he know that a redditor with an uncharged phone was watching, causing great seething about the reddit paint game." | nitter
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13:40 bnchs; btw in r/place, there's a 5 minute timer after placing pixels
13:40 bnchs; but apparently mods are not affected by this rule
13:40 bnchs; causing them to cheat
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13:44 TR News; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Shazam Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163595
13:44 TR Bot; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Shazam | Tux Machines
13:45 bnchs; basically
13:45 bnchs; r/place is rigged
13:45 bnchs; and any threads calling it out is immediately deleted and censored
13:45 bnchs; like typical reddit
13:51 bnchs; https://teddit.net/r/ShadowBan/comments/txxq27/reddit_shadowbanned_me_and_limited_my_posting_for/
13:51 TR Bot; Reddit shadowbanned me and limited my posting for calling out corruption : ShadowBan
13:51 bnchs; lol he got shadowbanned aswell
13:51 bnchs; they don't chill in reddit
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13:51 TR News; 5 open source alternatives to Doodle polls Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163596
13:51 TR Bot; 5 open source alternatives to Doodle polls | Tux Machines
13:52 TR News; reComputer Jetson mini PCs feature Jetson Nano or Xavier NX modules Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163597
13:52 TR Bot; reComputer Jetson mini PCs feature Jetson Nano or Xavier NX modules | Tux Machines
13:52 TR News; The 20 Best KDE Multimedia Apps for Linux System Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163598
13:52 TR Bot; The 20 Best KDE Multimedia Apps for Linux System | Tux Machines
13:52 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163599
13:52 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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14:14 schestowitz-TR; Ariadne: this coming weekend, if we have a new contain/vm for tuxmachines on the HV, maybe we can migrate away from centos to something more modern? I think we can handle it without bothering you, it just needs LAMP and SSH (or access via HV)
14:15 TR News; SolidRun launches 16-core LX2162A LX2-Lite SOM and ClearFog LX2-Lite development board http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163582#comment-33329
14:15 TR Bot; SolidRun & NXP launch Worlds Smallest 16-Core System on Module | Tux Machines
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14:59 TR News; Microsofters hate Steam Deck for using Arch Linux and KDE instead of Windows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpW4QmHsZvI
14:59 TR Bot; https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=JpW4QmHsZvI
14:59 TR Bot; invidious.snopyta.org | GPD REALLY hates the Steam Deck... and other Steam Deck news! - Invidious
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15:00 TR News; Raleigh Action Show | LINUX Unplugged 453 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148182/raleigh-action-show-linux-unplugged-453/
15:00 Alternative link; CloudFlare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148182/raleigh-action-show-linux-unplugged-453/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148182/raleigh-action-show-linux-unplugged-453/
15:00 TR Bot; Raleigh Action Show | LINUX Unplugged 453 | Jupiter Broadcasting
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15:25 TR News; Installation and Review of Qubes Linux [Lightweight Distro] https://www.tecmint.com/qubes-linux/ Source: TecMint FreeSW | GNU | Linux
15:25 Alternative link; CloudFlare: tecmint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.tecmint.com/qubes-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.tecmint.com/qubes-linux/
15:25 TR Bot; Installation and Review of Qubes Linux [Lightweight Distro]
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15:37 TR News; Corporate media has consciously made the term populist synonymous with "Racist"
15:44 TR News; 101 Linux Commands Every User Should Know Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163600
15:44 TR Bot; 101 Linux Commands Every User Should Know | Tux Machines
15:46 TR News; "Ploum also recommends the book "Rebel Code" by Glynn Moody. I appreciate the recommendation and will definitely be looking into it!" gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-01-18-re-design-vs-evolution.gmi
15:47 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163601
15:47 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
15:49 TR News; Russia and Sanctions https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/videos/20220406154700819/
15:49 TR Bot; Why Companies are Still Doing Business in Russia | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News
15:51 TR News; Concerns Raised Again Over New EU-U.S. Data Sharing Agreement https://www.dailydot.com/debug/us-eu-data-sharing-mass-surveillance/ Source: dailydot
15:51 Alternative link; CloudFlare: dailydot.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.dailydot.com/debug/us-eu-data-sharing-mass-surveillance/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.dailydot.com/debug/us-eu-data-sharing-mass-surveillance/
15:51 TR Bot; Concerns Raised Again Over New EU-U.S. Data Sharing Agreement
15:52 TR News; OpenRazer 3.3 adds support for more hardware on Linux | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/openrazer-33-adds-support-for-more-hardware-on-linux/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
15:52 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/openrazer-33-adds-support-for-more-hardware-on-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/openrazer-33-adds-support-for-more-hardware-on-linux/
15:52 TR Bot; 3.3 adds support for more hardware on Linux | GamingOnLinux
15:54 TR News; "community-built" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-plugin-loader-gets-another-release-should-work-better-now/ can't wait to hear terms like "THE DRM COMMUNITY..."
15:54 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-plugin-loader-gets-another-release-should-work-better-now/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-plugin-loader-gets-another-release-should-work-better-now/
15:54 TR Bot; Deck Plugin Loader gets another release, should work better now | GamingOnLinux
15:56 TR News; But Bitcoin was never about anonymity anyway https://www.wired.com/story/tracers-in-the-dark-welcome-to-video-crypto-anonymity-myth/ so now Conde Nast (Wall Street) associated this with assault on children? Even though it's not about privacy at all?
15:56 TR Bot; the Bitcoin Bust That Took Down the Webs Biggest Child Abuse Site | WIRED
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16:01 schestowitz; psydruid: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-pstate-linux517&num=1
16:01 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-pstate-linux517&num=1 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-pstate-linux517&num=1
16:01 TR Bot; P-State vs. ACPI CPUFreq Testing With Ryzen Laptops On Linux 5.17 - Phoronix
16:01 TR News; "U.S. Treasury moves to keep Russians connected despite sanctions, while Russian regulator Roskomnadzor targets Google" https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ but Gulag is on their side: http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/donetsk-and-gulag-or-google-now-bans-parts-of-ukraine-for-being-invaded-by-russia/
16:01 Alternative link; CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
16:01 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now
16:02 TR Bot; When Sanctions Go Toxic: Google, Co-Founded by Moscovite, Agrees With Moscow and Recognises Mariupol (Ukraine) as a Part of Russia | Techrights
16:04 psydruid; moar bribes
16:24 schestowitz-TR; no, donations
16:24 schestowitz-TR; "review" units
16:24 schestowitz-TR; times X
16:25 schestowitz-TR; many years ago purism (librem) offers me a "review" unit
16:25 schestowitz-TR; but at least they said it would be temporary ownership, just to review it
16:25 schestowitz-TR; 'review'
16:25 schestowitz-TR; like I'm a marketer
16:25 schestowitz-TR; try michael
16:26 psydruid; AMD's attitudes against GNU/Linux and towards Microsoft have put them on the denylist for me
16:26 schestowitz-TR; yes
16:26 schestowitz-TR; AMD loves Windows
16:26 schestowitz-TR; not Microsoft
16:26 psydruid; temporary ownership that effectively lasts forever
16:26 schestowitz-TR; I don't think AMD truly cares for the niche, "Azure"
16:26 schestowitz-TR; but they would fail badly in a RaspPiOS-saturated market
16:26 psydruid; AMD is lost without Windows
16:26 psydruid; yes
16:26 schestowitz-TR; for more than one reason (size, energy, cost, security)
16:27 schestowitz-TR; we did lots of work today on the site
16:27 schestowitz-TR; instead of articles
16:27 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgX6JFoV0TM
16:27 TR Bot; https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=VgX6JFoV0TM
16:27 TR Bot; youtube.076.ne.jp | That Mitchell and Webb Look - Evil Genius - Invidious
16:27 schestowitz-TR; it's amazing how much a single quad-core arm board can do
16:27 psydruid; Intel would manage somehow, even though they've been historically evil
16:27 psydruid; yes
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16:27 schestowitz-TR; Intel is supported bya regime that robs taxpayers
16:28 schestowitz-TR; and bails out "Big Oil"
16:28 schestowitz-TR; subsidises rather
16:28 schestowitz-TR; Big Banks also
16:28 schestowitz-TR; and people stopped being angry about it
16:28 schestowitz-TR; because the Web promotes polarity along other lines
16:28 schestowitz-TR; race, gender, wing etc.
16:28 psydruid; and a quad-core arm board with Intel/Apple like performance will sweep up a lot of marketshare just like that
16:28 schestowitz-TR; today I turned on the radio, which is rare
16:28 psydruid; but I think part of it is also just running more efficient software
16:29 schestowitz-TR; and they talk about families that can no longer buy basic goods
16:29 schestowitz-TR; and need to turn to community help
16:29 psydruid; the web is an enabler for Intel/Apple/AMD/Microsoft
16:29 schestowitz-TR; it's two-way
16:29 psydruid; make things heavy enough that people think they need to buy new hardware to participate
16:29 schestowitz-TR; they make the web bloated
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16:29 schestowitz-TR; in turn, the devs pick things like node
16:30 schestowitz-TR; and then make the web more bloated
16:30 schestowitz-TR; which in turn feeds into a loop
16:30 schestowitz-TR; hence gemini's popularity
16:30 schestowitz-TR; people go, hey, hang on sec
16:30 schestowitz-TR; should ANY computer need 500MB of RAM allocated to an IRC chat?
16:31 schestowitz-TR; or, why do I need so much stuff to read 5 paragraphs of an article from AP?
16:31 schestowitz-TR; same for crApps
16:32 psydruid; I expect there is going to be a huge countermovement that is going to make these companies obsolete
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16:32 psydruid; it will not be nice, but it's only natural
16:32 psydruid; like the fall of Rome
16:35 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: now the CS students are made to think or assume they have 1990s supercomputer
16:35 schestowitz-TR; 4 GB of RAM
16:35 schestowitz-TR; minimum
16:35 schestowitz-TR; and thousands of nhz times cores
16:35 schestowitz-TR; this is wrong
16:36 schestowitz-TR; morally wrong too, given what that leads to (environment, security etc)
16:41 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: fall of Rome(TM)
16:41 schestowitz-TR; 24xRome(TM) 128 cores
16:41 schestowitz-TR; 12xRome(TM) 64 cores
16:41 schestowitz-TR; love, AMD. Now go benchmark it.
16:41 schestowitz-TR; Invoice on us.
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16:43 psydruid; lol
16:43 psydruid; pretending everyone needs this hardware
16:45 psydruid; phoronix commenters aren't even asking questions anymore
16:45 psydruid; so great is their "love" for Linux on AMD (and Intel)
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17:05 matey; flameshot eh
17:06 schestowitz; yes, try it
17:06 matey; i mean youve already got kde and/or xfce
17:06 matey; which surely come with a screenshot tool
17:06 matey; the kde one at least will be github free
17:06 matey; so youve got a github-based screenshot tool, which needs d-bus?
17:07 DaemonFC; Okay, so I'm ready to go over and buy the Buick whenever I can actually catch my mechanic at the shop.
17:07 matey; and they recommend you load it at startup because its slow to open
17:07 SomeH4x0r; hi
17:07 matey; but i figured it was github. the d-bus part is the one that gets me.
17:07 matey; hi SomeH4x0r
17:07 DaemonFC; I don't even think they ever had cars as big as a 2008 Buick in Europe.
17:07 matey; to each his own of course, its definitely not for me
17:08 DaemonFC; I don't think there's any room for one there anyway.
17:08 matey; yeah you have to see a european clotheswasher
17:08 matey; which is still more than i need personally, but its not rare to find it in the kitchen without a dryer
17:08 matey; i think a lot of people have those wooden racks for a dryer
17:09 matey; or a good old fashioned clothesline
17:09 matey; but i didnt do a survey
17:09 matey; maybe the ones i knew were amish or something
17:11 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> 24xRome(TM) 128 cores
17:11 DaemonFC; Hell, my laptop has 4 cores @ a maximum of over 4 Ghz, with hyperthreading on each core.
17:11 DaemonFC; It's so easy to do now that it's done because it can be.
17:11 matey; to be fair to flameshot, who knows if you can even take a screenshot in wayland anymore without dbus
17:11 matey; we should be happy gnome itself isnt required
17:12 DaemonFC; My laptop CPU is at least 25 times faster than my desktop was in 2006.
17:12 matey; today gnome and dbus, tomorrow windows on a separate partition
17:12 DaemonFC; Fedora uses dbus-broker. Debian 11 still doesn't.
17:12 matey; /me figures gnome will just hook into ntkernel any day now
17:13 matey; dbus-broker <- broker than the original dbus?
17:14 matey; i aint sayin shes a developer, but she aint messin with no broke broke
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17:17 bnchs; hello
17:18 matey; hi
17:18 bnchs; i've realized something
17:19 bnchs; a user said on some IRC network that if 16/32 GB ram was good for full stack web dev
17:19 matey; christ
17:19 bnchs; i could do that shit in 4 GB
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17:19 bnchs; let alone 2 GB
17:19 bnchs; but this is the state of website obesity
17:20 bnchs; what it has gotten us
17:20 matey; yep
17:20 bnchs; you need a machine with 32 GB ram to make a website
17:20 matey; theres a bigger and worse picture too
17:20 matey; this is what happens to EVERY FEATURE if we let corporations fuck with it for long enough
17:20 matey; not just the web
17:20 matey; anything you can imagine
17:21 matey; but yeah, they really wanted the web to be like this shit, and they got what they wanted
17:21 matey; and people are like "oh, theyre has-beens, they have no power"
17:21 matey; theyve got a lot of power to fuck things up for good
17:21 bnchs; i've wrote my website's backend in C
17:21 bnchs; to optimize as much as i can
17:21 matey; /me thinks perl or lua would suffice
17:22 bnchs; but i said that 16/32 GB was too overkill for full stack web dev
17:22 bnchs; but then he said he was doing react and .net crap
17:22 matey; the web is overkill
17:22 matey; react and .net crap <- lol
17:22 matey; i go to too many websites and they show an error from the backend
17:23 matey; sometimes they never get fixed, theyre just left that way
17:23 bnchs; lol
17:23 bnchs; upgrading asp.net is death for your website
17:23 bnchs; unless you like rewriting your scripts out of deprecated functions
17:23 matey; whats the point of keeping a server, domain or hosting running if youre only going to return a message that says something isnt working
17:24 matey; deprecated = fuck standards, fuck stability
17:24 matey; southern plantations in the early 1800s: "developers, developers, developers!"
17:24 matey; "what are they developing?"
17:24 matey; "whatever we tell them to!"
17:25 MinceR; deprecated = "i can't compete with this, please pretend it doesn't exist"
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17:26 bnchs; i'm pretty sure i've seen php scripts last more than asp.net scrips
17:26 matey; php (github) is probably more stable than asp.net somehow
17:27 chunky; you use yahoo for email + u buy tokens on cam sites + you got 8 booster shots + you blame black folk for ruining your life + missing keys on your keyboard + your links r 404 + u smell like hotdog water
17:27 bnchs; "you blame black folk for ruining your life"
17:27 bnchs; the story of daemonfc
17:28 matey; chunky is trying to compose an insult that gets everybody
17:28 chunky; you use hotmail + die mad + u have a favorite commercial + cheap cologne + u take supplements (bad diet) + u wear a bath robe + u wake up and check your likes on instagram
17:28 matey; now thats what i call "inclusive"
17:28 MinceR; poorly targeted, though
17:28 bnchs; "you use hotmail"
17:29 matey; u wear a bathrobe = linus?
17:29 chunky; BURN!!!
17:29 bnchs; "u wake up and check your likes on instagram"
17:29 bnchs; take this to twitter
17:29 chunky; oh am i not allowed to chat in the chat room now bnchs ??
17:29 chunky; :(
17:29 bnchs; because we don't use microsoft email and instagram
17:29 bnchs; chunky, nah
17:29 bnchs; i'm just saying
17:29 bnchs; that if you're gonna insult everyone
17:29 bnchs; at least target them correctly
17:30 MinceR; https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/984/565/ebc.gif
17:30 matey; i think hes just doing random things to see who reacts
17:30 TR News; Material Shell Extension added support to Gnome 42 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163602
17:30 TR Bot; Material Shell Extension added support to Gnome 42 | Tux Machines
17:31 matey; sometimes i try chatting up people on the street this way "hey, you fuck your uncle-- you have a flaky skin disorder-- you put pork in your breakfast cereal"
17:31 matey; the neck brace is working out nicely though
17:32 bnchs; well uhhh
17:32 bnchs; that's too rude
17:32 matey; youll never know the optimum level of rude without careful experimentation!
17:32 bnchs; yeah the maximum level is calling them a racial slur
17:33 bnchs; they're either gonna laugh or gonna tear your shit apart
17:33 matey; dfc would just laugh
17:33 matey; mincer would just go :>
17:33 matey; incidentally, :> means "i am so done with your entire fucking species"
17:34 matey; it depends on context obviously
17:34 bnchs; ok so mincer is not a human?
17:34 matey; i dont know, hes withstood this chat since 2008, so maybe he isnt
17:34 XRevan86; MinceR: Impressive work.
17:36 matey; then again, if he hadnt spent the past 14 years in this chat, maybe he wouldnt be so done with humanity :)
17:36 bnchs; matey: if he wasn't a human, i wouldn't mind
17:36 matey; oh i wasnt planning to hold it against him
17:37 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HE3OuHukrmQ
17:37 TR Bot; Porno for Pyros - Pets - Invidious
17:40 matey; im not saying shes a looker (shes alright i guess) but the woman at 1:47 looks like my former fiancee in the uk
17:41 matey; ive actually never seen this video, but the song seemed like a good one for mincer
17:41 matey; i havent heard it in 20 years at least
17:43 matey; this video is like 10% creepshots, i doubt it was intended that way
17:47 matey; "Pets" deals with dissatisfaction with the human race ("Adults are even more fucked up") and how it is on the brink of destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pets_(song)
17:47 TR Bot; Pets (song) - Wikipedia
17:48 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF3q7o8Yjrg
17:48 TR Bot; https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=dF3q7o8Yjrg
17:48 TR Bot; vid.puffyan.us | Lincoln Park Pirates - Invidious
17:49 DaemonFC; A Chicago folk song about a notorious car towing company that still exists.
17:50 matey; "A Chicago folk song" lol
17:50 matey; fair play
17:51 matey; when i read "lincoln park" i was expecting something VERY different
17:51 matey; this really is a folk song
17:51 DaemonFC; "All my drivers are friendly and courteous. Their good manners you always will get, because they're all recent graduates of the charm school in Joliet."
17:51 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joliet_Correctional_Center
17:51 TR Bot; Joliet Correctional Center - Wikipedia
17:52 matey; "be it edsel or chevy theres no car too heavy and no one can make us shut down"
17:53 DaemonFC; "They say this business has no license, but little care I for the law!"
17:53 DaemonFC; :)
17:53 matey; /me thinks lincoln park should cover this
17:54 matey; the fact that they spell it "linkin park" is a minor detail
17:55 matey; the fact that theyre from california is also a minor detail
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17:56 psydroid2; I don't think they exist anymore
17:56 psydroid2; after the singer offed himself
17:58 bnchs; i've tried out kiwix
17:58 bnchs; in a phone
17:58 bnchs; downloaded the entire english wikipedia with pics and videos
17:58 bnchs; and although with some download issues
17:58 bnchs; it works
17:59 *psydroid2 should write a patch to add support for an ignore function in Dino
17:59 bnchs; it also allows you to send your downloaded files to another phone
17:59 XRevan86; psydroid2: A fellow biboumi user?
17:59 psydroid2; chunky is now dead to me on the IRC side of things
17:59 bnchs; and a mirror server (works as a hotspot)
18:00 psydroid2; XRevan86, yes
18:00 psydroid2; although this is me on Hexchat
18:00 chunky; i'm a free-speecher
18:00 bnchs; chunky, people have a right to ignore you
18:00 chunky; wow!
18:01 chunky; never thought about that before bnchs
18:01 chunky; learn so much in this chat
18:02 bnchs; i think there should be more apps
18:02 bnchs; that allow you to share device to device
18:02 bnchs; without internet connection or some bullshit
18:03 chunky; and they should all be built on top of ssh!
18:03 bnchs; i think you can do that with a wifi hotspot
18:03 bnchs; it works and can share data without internet or the clown
18:04 chunky; u really think that's possible? sharing data w/ networked devices?
18:04 matey; should write a patch to add support for an ignore function in Dino <-
18:04 matey; /me is literally using grep as an ignore feature
18:04 bnchs; yeah
18:05 matey; well, egrep
18:05 bnchs; establish a network using wifi hotspot
18:05 bnchs; then you can share data between devices in the network
18:05 bnchs; i tried it out with a HTTP server
18:05 bnchs; and FTP
18:05 matey; im not sure chaining two greps would work, its a miracle that even one works (given the nature of stdin which is more mysterious than ever)
18:06 chunky; you can pipe grep into grep
18:06 chunky; why not?
18:06 matey; its complicated
18:06 matey; for stdout -> stdin -> stdout of course it works, why wouldnt it
18:07 matey; but for stdin -> programs farther up the pipeline to work is the mystery
18:07 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/01/reddit-thanks-i-hate-it-4-1-22/
18:07 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/01/reddit-thanks-i-hate-it-4-1-22/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/01/reddit-thanks-i-hate-it-4-1-22/
18:07 TR Bot; You Know, You Dont HAVE To Share Everything You See On The Internet (19 Posts)
18:07 matey; in other words, how the fuck am i typing this?
18:08 bnchs; i said this earlier
18:08 bnchs; but there's a story on r/place
18:09 bnchs; apparently some "trolls" drew a cat, and the mod responded by trying to erase it (there was a 5 minute cooldown for drawing pixels, but mods are not affected by this)
18:09 bnchs; a guy recorded it and posted it on r/place
18:09 bnchs; and then the mod deleted his thread and shadowbanned him as fast as he could
18:10 matey; /me thinks reddit is a country on another planet, like china
18:10 matey; most of the world seems like earth to me
18:10 matey; reddit is an exception
18:10 bnchs; i think there was another mod
18:11 bnchs; that also deleted any threads exposing him cheating on r/place
18:11 matey; cheating?
18:11 bnchs; yes
18:11 bnchs; users had a 5 minute cooldown per pixel drawn
18:11 matey; in 2 lines or less (unless you actually want more) what are the rules?
18:11 bnchs; but apparently he was drawing a pixel every second
18:12 matey; oh
18:12 *psydroid2 must have lost the plot and his place on this chat
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18:12 matey; so its some collaborative drawing thing?
18:12 bnchs; yeah
18:12 chunky; oh man
18:12 matey; and you can only submit a pixel every 5 minutes
18:12 chunky; if u guys wanna draw check out https://fuckhole.org/~canvashole/
18:12 TR Bot; drawholejones
18:13 matey; "fuckhole dot org"
18:13 chunky; Pick Colour Pete is waiting for u
18:13 chunky; to pick a color
18:13 matey; /me hopes theyre a registered not-for-profit corporation
18:13 bnchs; r/place has been on everywhere lately
18:13 bnchs; the enws
18:13 bnchs; news*
18:13 bnchs; youtube trending
18:13 bnchs; but reddit (and its reputation of censorship and corruption) is not a good place for it
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18:14 matey; /me thinks they should just change the name to bannit already
18:15 MinceR; "What the bloody hell is a fuckhole?"
18:15 matey; or soviit
18:15 bnchs; chunky, wtf is this site
18:15 matey; since joseph ellen took over its just not reddit anymore
18:16 bnchs; goatse on front page
18:16 matey; stellen
18:16 chunky; its canvashole
18:16 chunky; for drawing
18:16 bnchs; doesn't even work
18:16 bnchs; cant draw
18:17 matey; /me can draw on his screen just fine
18:17 matey; /me cleans it off with rubbing alchohol
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18:18 TR News; Over 200 COVID-19 Deaths Today (But Dont Worry, Go Watch Football) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/11/dont-worry-go-watch-football/
18:18 TR Bot; Blog Archive Over 200 COVID-19 Deaths Today (But Dont Worry, Go Watch Football)
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18:19 matey; /me thinks they should make a cover for your monitor that lets you draw on it with dry-erase markers
18:19 matey; but it shouldnt be used around kids, who will get the idea that you can draw on any screen...
18:20 bnchs; thats a cool idea
18:20 bnchs; for highlighting crap
18:20 matey; i mean there are all sorts of ways to do this digitally of course
18:20 matey; but these days none of them would work anyway
18:21 matey; without installing a second os or some shit
18:21 bnchs; i have a whiteboard for visualizing computer crap
18:21 bnchs; for ideas
18:22 matey; there was even a program like this that i think only used x11 calls itself
18:22 matey; gnome can make a very nice program that does this if they dont have one
18:22 matey; but theyll only break it in a few years anyway
18:23 matey; also fuck gnome
18:24 chunky; guys today is post screenshots of your desktop day
18:24 chunky; the CEO of tech rights told me
18:24 matey; there is no ceo, and the calendar says its make up bullshit calendar dates day
18:24 schestowitz-TR; patent FUD rebuttal Sunday
18:25 matey; on a monday? weird
18:25 matey; lawyers for you
18:25 schestowitz-TR; it is a lot more beneficent in this form
18:25 bnchs; chunky, i refuse
18:25 schestowitz-TR; no, didn't post screenshots today
18:25 chunky; fine
18:25 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, what is this patent FUD rebuttal
18:26 matey; my desktop is dwm running xterm with a rude gesture rendered full screen in utf-8
18:26 bnchs; post screenshot
18:26 schestowitz-TR; EPO and UPC mostly
18:26 schestowitz-TR; but not limited to that
18:26 schestowitz-TR; the idea is not to send traffic to the FUD source
18:26 schestowitz-TR; same thing we did with videos for 8 weeks
18:26 matey; <bnchs> post screenshot <- i just did, thats a screenshot in text-only mode :)
18:27 bnchs; ok we'll do it that way
18:27 bnchs; my desktop is xfce4 with the taskbar on top and phu quoc beach as wallpaper
18:27 chunky; i use sway btw
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18:27 matey; its an alt-text screenshot, its fully accessible
18:28 bnchs; it's specifically this as my wallpaper: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phu_quoc_plage_sao.jpg
18:28 Alternative link; CloudFlare: wikimedia.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phu_quoc_plage_sao.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phu_quoc_plage_sao.jpg
18:28 TR Bot; File:Phu quoc plage sao.jpg - Wikimedia Commons
18:28 bnchs; GFDL or CC-BY-SA
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18:28 matey; phu quoc beach <- i went there once, its a phu quoc lovely place
18:28 bnchs; mixed license picture lol
18:29 bnchs; but still free
18:29 schestowitz-TR; if you can think of a better strategy for refuting FUD, tell me
18:29 schestowitz-TR; the older approach was link plus editorial comment
18:29 schestowitz-TR; but that was getting the lies more exposure
18:29 schestowitz-TR; hence rather counter-productive
18:30 matey; if you can think of a better strategy for refuting FUD, tell me <- i think posting the url without making a link is sufficient
18:30 matey; but im sure google crawls it anyway
18:30 bnchs; i brokemykeyboard
18:30 schestowitz-TR; but the idea is to show people who you respond to
18:30 schestowitz-TR; without context, it's weaker
18:31 matey; yes the url does that (it also satisfies the license)
18:31 matey; also if they really want to they can copy/paste (or even triple-click) the url
18:31 matey; but most wont
18:32 matey; and as i said, google probably still crawls it
18:32 matey; its reasonable to assume whenever google finds a url it says "oh, a url... lets see where it goes"
18:33 matey; video is more obfuscated, so thats an advantage if you REALLY want to stick it to them
18:39 TR News; Looking back on IBMs game-changing mainframe moments - Reseller News https://www.reseller.co.nz/article/696906/looking-back-ibm-game-changing-mainframe-moments/ Source: reseller
18:39 TR Bot; Looking back on IBM's game-changing mainframe moments - Reseller News
18:40 bnchs; game changing
18:40 bnchs; IBM changed the game, man
18:40 bnchs; it was a game
18:41 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/05/information-that-feels-illegal-to-know/
18:41 bnchs; IBM threw away the old game
18:41 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/05/information-that-feels-illegal-to-know/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/05/information-that-feels-illegal-to-know/
18:41 TR Bot; 30 Bits Of Information People Have Learned That Feel Illegal To Know
18:41 bnchs; and replaced it with a shitter game
18:41 schestowitz-TR; "no shame in the game"
18:45 bnchs; whats the game called
18:45 matey; ibm only lets you fix a bug every 5 days
18:45 bnchs; helping the nazis?
18:45 matey; but the developers arent held to this rule
18:46 matey; so they can create bugs faster than you can fix them
18:46 bnchs; the mosque's loudspeaker is spouting out random creepy noises
18:46 matey; maybe its a number station
18:47 matey; in arabic of course
18:47 bnchs; lol he's testing the feedback
18:47 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station
18:47 TR Bot; Numbers station - Wikipedia
18:47 bnchs; on the speakers
18:47 bnchs; it's gonna be a fun day
18:47 matey; Most identified stations use speech synthesis to vocalize numbers, although digital modes such as phase-shift keying and frequency-shift keying, as well as Morse code transmissions, are not uncommon.
18:49 bnchs; he saying some kind of word over and over
18:49 bnchs; and high frequency crap afterwards
18:49 bnchs; definitely a number station
18:49 psydroid2; gulagtube has built in a 40-second delay if you don't use their official web site and app (with ads)
18:49 bnchs; psydroid2, example?
18:50 psydroid2; bnchs, try playing anything with newpipe
18:50 psydroid2; or mpv
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18:51 bnchs; psydroid2, no delay on my end
18:51 bnchs; used mpv
18:51 psydroid2; I've noticed it here recently
18:52 psydroid2; let me see if I can find any more information on it
18:52 bnchs; well i know they throttle your download speed if you don't pass their challenge
18:52 bnchs; (which was meant to catch unoffical clients)
18:52 matey; <psydroid2> gulagtube has built in a 40-second delay if you don't use their official web site and app (with ads) <- i seem to be unaffected
18:52 matey; give me a youtube url
18:52 bnchs; but then programs like yt-dlp and newpipe
18:52 bnchs; found a way around it
18:53 matey; bnchs: exactly
18:53 matey; also a 40 second delay isnt a big deal if you cache whatever you dl
18:54 psydroid2; https://teddit.net/r/fossdroid/comments/u0i6ov/is_it_just_me_or_is_newpipe_opening_videos_with_a/
18:54 TR Bot; Is it just me or is newpipe opening videos with a lot of delay? : fossdroid
18:54 matey; theyre only punishing people for streaming
18:54 psydroid2; I think it's different on the mpv frontend I use
18:55 psydroid2; the first time I add a video to the playlist there is a delay, but when playing it there isn't a delay anymore
18:55 psydroid2; but it shows to what extents gulag goes to secure its revenue
18:56 matey; naturally
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19:02 bnchs; psydroid2, i wouldn't be surprised if it was true
19:02 bnchs; gulag has a vendetta against alternative frontends and clients
19:02 bnchs; because less ad money
19:03 bnchs; including adblockers
19:03 psydroid2; yeah, I never see youtube ads
19:03 psydroid2; because I don't use the website
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19:08 bnchs; psydroid2, they try to bypass the adblockers all the time
19:08 bnchs; by making changes that break the adblock filters
19:09 psydroid2; bnchs, they have also said that your service may be terminated if you are not beneficial to them
19:09 bnchs; yeah
19:10 bnchs; like if you show people privacy/security/freedom tips
19:10 bnchs; that's not profitable
19:10 bnchs; FOR THEM
19:11 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP2_BHwQ4dQ
19:11 TR Bot; https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=BP2_BHwQ4dQ
19:11 TR Bot; invidious.osi.kr | Cute cat's reaction to chickens trying to steal her food - Invidious
19:11 bnchs; MinceR, are you a cat?
19:12 MinceR; no
19:12 psydroid2; bnchs, have there been instances where such videos or even whole accounts have been removed for that reason?
19:12 MinceR; i just ate some theobromine and i'm fine
19:12 bnchs; psydroid2, i don't like
19:12 bnchs; i don't know*
19:12 MinceR; and i could taste the sweetness of chocolate
19:13 bnchs; youtube has a history of sliently sabatoging channels
19:13 bnchs; by shadowbanning them
19:13 bnchs; like leafyishere
19:13 MinceR; i also had some caffeine and that didn't poison me either
19:14 bnchs; he was a popular gulagtuber
19:14 bnchs; until gulagtube made a plot to ruin his channel
19:14 bnchs; because of how toxic it was
19:14 bnchs; or "toxic"
19:14 bnchs; "toxic"*
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19:17 TR News; LinuxHints Latest C++ Tutorials Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163603
19:17 TR Bot; LinuxHint's Latest C++ Tutorials | Tux Machines
19:18 bnchs; MinceR, well i guess that makes sense
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19:34 AdmFubar; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/android-banking-malware-intercepts-calls-to-customer-support/
19:34 Alternative link; CloudFlare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/android-banking-malware-intercepts-calls-to-customer-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/android-banking-malware-intercepts-calls-to-customer-support/
19:34 TR Bot; Android banking malware intercepts calls to customer support
19:35 bnchs; lol
19:35 bnchs; welcome to android, time to MITM in your calls
19:35 bnchs; pegasus: MITM in your calls
19:35 bnchs; fuck wiretapping
19:35 bnchs; all my boys use android
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19:42 AdmFubar; https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nyy8/us-extradites-anom-an0m-phone-seller-ayub
19:42 TR Bot; U.S. Extradites Man Who Allegedly Sold Backdoored Phones for the FBI
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19:45 bnchs; that makes sense
19:45 bnchs; selling backdoored phones for the FBI
19:45 bnchs; to sell it to criminals
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19:51 TR News; IBM/Red Hat boosting Microsoft again today https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/04/11/introduction-nodejs-reference-architecture-part-8-typescript
19:51 TR Bot; Introduction to the Node.js reference architecture, Part 8: TypeScript | Red Hat Developer
19:52 TR News; "Find out what this year's Summit has to teach you about Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Red Hat OpenShift, Ansible, and more." https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2022/04/11/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-11-april-1300-utc.html
19:52 TR Bot; Next Open NeuroFedora meeting: 11 April 1300 UTC | NeuroFedora: Blog
19:56 psydroid2; why doesn't Mickeysoft outright buy ICBM/Deadrat?
19:56 psydroid2; divide and conquer is keeping people from seeing what is the actual situation
19:57 TR News; LibreOffice 7.3 review - Not a turning point Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163604
19:57 TR Bot; LibreOffice 7.3 review - Not a turning point | Tux Machines
19:57 TR News; How to Copy Paste in Vi https://linuxhint.com/copy-paste-in-vi/ Source: LinuxHint | GNU | Linux | FreeSW
19:57 Alternative link; CloudFlare: linuxhint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/copy-paste-in-vi/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxhint.com/copy-paste-in-vi/
19:57 TR Bot; How to Copy Paste in Vi
20:02 TR News; Automate checking for flaws in Python with Thoth https://opensource.com/article/22/4/automate-security-checks-open-source-libraries-thoth
20:02 TR Bot; checking for flaws in Python with Thoth | Opensource.com
20:03 TR News; 6 reasons this nonprofit chose Backdrop for its open source CMS | https://opensource.com/article/22/4/backdrop-cms Source: FreeSW "technology blossomed, used Mambo (and Joomla after it forked). We then moved on and have used WordPress and Drupal for years now. As things evolve and change, we always have to re-assess and adjust course as necessary based on the audience we are servin"
20:03 TR Bot; reasons this nonprofit chose Backdrop for its open source CMS | Opensource.com
20:04 TR News; IDG is posting "Linux" now... but only as pure webspam ("Get 12 Linux certification training courses on sale for just $69 today")
20:06 TR News; "Sometimes I find myself wishing that I have a Linux desktop that I can access remotely. Whilst having a cloud-based desktop is not new, it is, however, a bit expensive when used sparingly." https://mb.com.ph/2022/04/11/spinning-up-my-own-cloud-desktop/
20:06 Alternative link; CloudFlare: mb.com.ph | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mb.com.ph/2022/04/11/spinning-up-my-own-cloud-desktop/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://mb.com.ph/2022/04/11/spinning-up-my-own-cloud-desktop/
20:06 TR Bot; Spinning up my own cloud desktop Manila Bulletin
20:07 bnchs; "my cloud desktop"
20:07 bnchs; it's not YOURS
20:07 bnchs; it's rented
20:10 TR News; Dependencies for new app compiled in OE [OpenEmbedded] https://bkhome.org/news/202204/dependencies-for-new-app-compiled-in-oe.html
20:10 TR Bot; Dependencies for new app compiled in OE
20:10 TR News; New Rock/OMLx 4.3 snapshot ISOs (Fixes bug 2657) https://www.openmandriva.org/en/breve/new-rock-omlx-4-3-snapshot-isos-fixes-bug-2657
20:10 TR Bot; New Rock/OMLx 4.3 snapshot ISOs (Fixes bug 2657) - OpenMandriva
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20:11 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 45.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 155.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 148.30
20:11 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 45.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 155.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 148.30
20:11 TR News; Microphone? https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/11/maple-eye-esp32-s3-board-offers-2mp-camera-microphone-and-two-lcd-displays/
20:11 Alternative link; CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/11/maple-eye-esp32-s3-board-offers-2mp-camera-microphone-and-two-lcd-displays/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/11/maple-eye-esp32-s3-board-offers-2mp-camera-microphone-and-two-lcd-displays/
20:11 TR Bot; Maple Eye ESP32-S3 board offers 2MP camera, microphone, and two LCD displays - CNX Software
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20:13 AdmFubar; https://restofworld.org/2022/newsletter-south-asia-exploding-e-scooters-are-spooking-indian-users/
↺ https://restofworld.org/2022/newsletter-south-asia-exploding-e-scooters-are-spooking-indian-users/
20:13 TR Bot; E-scooters are bursting into flames in India and buyers are spooked - Rest of World
20:15 TR News; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163605
20:15 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:16 TR News; Games: OpenRazer, Valheim, Steam, and SNES on Android Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163606
20:16 TR Bot; Games: OpenRazer, Valheim, Steam, and SNES on Android | Tux Machines
20:17 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-15.jpg
20:17 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-15.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-15.jpg
20:18 TR News; EndeavourOS: The Apollo release has landed Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163607
20:18 TR Bot; EndeavourOS: The Apollo release has landed | Tux Machines
20:20 bnchs; schestowitz, i wonder why the SNES on android article on tux machines encourages non-free emulators
20:20 schestowitz-TR; a lot of the game section is nonfree
20:20 bnchs; yeah i know
20:21 bnchs; but there are free SNES emulators that work
20:21 bnchs; on android
20:21 bnchs; but the list also mixes non-free emulators (which are just copies of existing free emulators with ads or in-app purchases on them)
20:22 schestowitz-TR; games are in general worse than that
20:22 schestowitz-TR; because of DRM
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20:22 schestowitz-TR; and tim wine-e want rootkits too
20:22 bnchs; yes
20:22 bnchs; tim swine-e wants rootkits integrated into the kernel
20:22 schestowitz-TR; inside the kernel
20:22 schestowitz-TR; to play a game
20:23 schestowitz-TR; swine-e <3 BoRAT
20:23 bnchs; but the rootkits wont help
20:23 bnchs; i see people with modified clients on these proprietary games
20:23 bnchs; especially tim swine-e fortnite
20:24 bnchs; and most of these game servers break the number one rule
20:24 bnchs; don't trust the client
20:27 TR News; Cutefish OS is the cutest Linux distribution youll ever use Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163608
20:27 TR Bot; Cutefish OS is the cutest Linux distribution you'll ever use | Tux Machines
20:28 *psydroid2 wants a rootkit stuffed up tim swine-e's $#%!
20:29 SomeH4x0r; this trust issue is in Minetest, free game, as well
20:43 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, April 10, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/11/irc-log-100422/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/11/irc-log-100422/
20:43 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, April 10, 2022 | Techrights
20:43 TR News; Weve decided to make extensive use of Flameshot (GPLv3-licensed) to efficiently rebut the endless lies from patent maximalists and spinners of the EPO http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/responding-to-fake-news/
20:43 TR Bot; Effectively Responding to Fake News in the Age of Corrupt EPO Management, Controlled by Team UPC/Litigation Lobby | Techrights
20:49 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/29/50-best-tweets-all-time/
20:49 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/29/50-best-tweets-all-time/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/29/50-best-tweets-all-time/
20:49 TR Bot; People Are Sharing Their Favorite Tweets Of All Time For Twitter's Anniversary (50+ Tweets)
20:51 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/11/they-ve-written-us-off
20:51 Alternative link; CloudFlare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/11/they-ve-written-us-off https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/11/they-ve-written-us-off
20:51 TR Bot; NO TITLE
20:51 XRevan86; > On April 11, self-declared Donetsk Peoples Republic defense spokesman Eduard Basurin said that three or four thousand little nationalists were sheltering at the Azovstal factory. The Ukrainian troops now occupy the factorys underground floors, said Basurin, making it difficult to storm the compound. As a result, the DNR official suggested that invading forces might block all t
20:51 XRevan86; he buildings entrances and exits before deploying chemical troops against the citys last-remaining defenders. Theyll find a way to smoke these moles out of their holes, Basurin said.
20:51 XRevan86; They weren't kidding.
20:52 TR News; In this tutorial, we will show you how to install Prometheus on AlmaLinux 8, as well as some extra required packages by Prometheus
20:52 TR News; Interview with Eben Upton Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163610
20:52 TR Bot; Interview with Eben Upton | Tux Machines
20:53 XRevan86; Chemical weapons were used in Mariupol.
20:54 TR News; IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 167 is available for testing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163611
20:54 TR Bot; IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 167 is available for testing | Tux Machines
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20:55 XRevan86; I consider Mariupol to be taken then.
20:56 XRevan86; Unless there's some unknown factor, they killed everyone.
20:58 XRevan86; They weren't fucking kidding.
20:58 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163612
20:58 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
20:58 TR News; xkcd: Taylor Series https://xkcd.com/2605/ Source: xkcd
20:58 TR Bot; Taylor Series
20:58 Alternative link; CloudFlare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2605/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://xkcd.com/2605/
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 114.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 160.00
21:01 TR News; LOL, Fuck Off! https://www.maketecheasier.com/microchip-implant-for-contactless-payments/
21:01 TR Bot; Would You Consider a Microchip Implant for Contactless Payments? - Make Tech Easier
21:02 TR News; 54% of the Top 100 Steam Games Work on the Steam Deck - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/54-of-the-top-100-steam-games-work-on-the-steam-deck/ Source: boilingsteam
21:02 bnchs; make tech easier
21:03 TR Bot; 54% of the Top 100 Steam Games Work on the Steam Deck - Boiling Steam
21:03 bnchs; put a microchip in your hand
21:03 bnchs; it's SO convinent
21:04 TR News; Heroes of Might and Magic II recreation 'fheroes2' gets improved language support | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/heroes-of-might-and-magic-ii-recreation-fheroes2-gets-improved-language-support/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
21:04 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/heroes-of-might-and-magic-ii-recreation-fheroes2-gets-improved-language-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/heroes-of-might-and-magic-ii-recreation-fheroes2-gets-improved-language-support/
21:04 TR Bot; of Might and Magic II recreation 'fheroes2' gets improved language support | GamingOnLinux
21:05 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163613
21:05 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:08 XRevan86; It's hypothesised that the chemical weapons is Sarin.
21:09 TR News; Games: Steam, Book of Travels, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163614
21:09 TR Bot; Games: Steam, Book of Travels, and More | Tux Machines
21:10 schestowitz-TR; That what we called our old boss
21:10 schestowitz-TR; "Sarin"
21:10 schestowitz-TR; She was very toxic
21:11 MinceR; :>
21:11 *XRevan86 can't do a ":>" right now.
21:11 schestowitz-TR; I know
21:11 schestowitz-TR; but anyway, we got rid of her
21:11 schestowitz-TR; and she nearly gave an apology before disappearing
21:11 TR News; "A Quick overview of Zorin OS 16.1 Core." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmNfHopoc50
21:11 TR Bot; https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=WmNfHopoc50
21:11 TR Bot; invidious.osi.kr | Zorin OS 16.1 Core Quick overview #Shorts - Invidious
21:15 TR News; Videos: Zorin OS 16.1, LINUX Unplugged, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163615
21:15 TR Bot; Videos: Zorin OS 16.1, LINUX Unplugged, and More | Tux Machines
21:16 TR News; Linux Foundation needs to do TRADEMARK ENFORCEMENT. It's well overdue. When Microsoft (loves Linux?) does not attack the brand others do https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyc-march-2657125499.html
21:16 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyc-march-2657125499.html )
21:16 Alternative link; CloudFlare: papermag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyc-march-2657125499.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyc-march-2657125499.html
21:25 XRevan86; https://en.donateua.com.ua/blog/the-azov-regiment/
21:25 TR Bot; The Azov Regiment reports that about an hour ago, Russian troops used a chemical weapon dropped from an enemy UAV, against Ukrainian military and civilians in the city of Mariupol. | PHOENIX ,
21:28 TR News; Links 11/04/2022: IPFire 2.27 Core Update 167 and New OMLx 4.3 ISOs | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/11/new-omlx-4-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/11/new-omlx-4-3/
21:28 TR Bot; Links 11/04/2022: IPFire 2.27 Core Update 167 and New OMLx 4.3 ISOs | Techrights
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21:28 TR News; Review: Vizy Linux-Powered AI Camera Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163616
21:28 TR Bot; Review: Vizy Linux-Powered AI Camera | Tux Machines
21:28 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163617
21:28 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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21:31 TR News; This MKR WAN 1300-powered rover was inspired by the orb-weaver spider | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/11/this-mkr-wan-1300-powered-rover-was-inspired-by-the-orb-weaver-spider/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
21:31 Alternative link; CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/11/this-mkr-wan-1300-powered-rover-was-inspired-by-the-orb-weaver-spider/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/11/this-mkr-wan-1300-powered-rover-was-inspired-by-the-orb-weaver-spider/
21:31 TR Bot; This MKR WAN 1300-powered rover was inspired by the orb-weaver spider | Arduino Blog
21:32 XRevan86; https://theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/24/nato-leaders-agree-upgrade-weapons-supply-ukraine-russia March 24th
↺ https://theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/24/nato-leaders-agree-upgrade-weapons-supply-ukraine-russia
21:32 TR Bot; Biden warns Russia Nato will respond if Kremlin uses chemical weapons | Nato | The Guardian
21:32 XRevan86; So, the bluff is called.
21:33 TR News; Presidential elections in France, round 1 gemini://dece.space/notes/20220411-elections-round-1.gmi
21:34 TR News; "RAM is a precious resource on any server. Look at VPS servers, and you'll be hard pressed to find one with much more than 32 Gb." gemini://marginalia.nu/log/55-lexicon-rubberduck.gmi
21:35 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: us uses chemical weapons
21:35 schestowitz-TR; investigate both nations
21:35 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: biden should use agent organe
21:35 schestowitz-TR; on putin
21:35 schestowitz-TR; send him over on air force one
21:35 schestowitz-TR; one-way ticket
21:35 schestowitz-TR; sooner or later mobs will attack the kremlin
21:35 schestowitz-TR; gn
21:36 XRevan86; Good night.
21:36 XRevan86; Let's hope we don't wake up in WW3. Though the alternative is not necessarily better.
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21:44
21:46 XRevan86;
21:47 XRevan86; , .
21:49 ?
21:49 XRevan86; : ?
21:50 ?
21:51 XRevan86; : "?"? ?
21:51 SomeH4x0r;
21:51 XRevan86; *
21:56 XRevan86; : ?
21:58 SomeH4x0r; afk
21:59
21:59 XRevan86; , , .
21:59 MinceR; most of us don't understand much ukrainian (or any other slavic language)
22:00 XRevan86; MinceR: Sorry, but I like to show off sometimes.
22:00 psydroid2;
22:00 psydroid2;
22:00 MinceR; :>
22:01 SomeH4x0r; ,
22:01 SomeH4x0r; afk
22:02
22:03 bnchs; presidential election in france
22:03 bnchs; macron and shit
22:03 XRevan86; No idea what that's supposed to mean.
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22:03 bnchs; oh did i step into russian discussion
22:03 MinceR; mostly ukrainian, if not entirely
22:03
22:04 XRevan86; bnchs: It's not very coherent.
22:06 Alexei Sorokin
22:07 XRevan86; - ?
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22:09 bnchs__; this is what you get when you lookup xrevan86
22:10 from
22:10 XRevan86; All similiarities are coincidental.
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22:11 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmVnr7rsWrE
22:11 TR Bot; https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=qmVnr7rsWrE
22:11 TR Bot; invidious.osi.kr | That Mitchell and Webb Look - Grammar Nazi - Invidious
22:11
22:11 XRevan86; URA is being very random, no one mentioned politruks even once.
22:12 https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Alexei_Sorokin
22:12 TR Bot; Alexei Sorokin | Military Wiki | Fandom
22:12 XRevan86; The submarine?
22:12 tak
22:12 MinceR; lol
22:13 bnchs__; alexei sorokin does not do clop
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22:14 XRevan86; : The submarine?
22:14 XRevan86; oops
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22:15 XRevan86; : That's me, 100 years old, yep.
22:15 I KNOW ENGLISH TO FOR YOU TAKE FOR SOME ILLITERATE ?
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22:16 bnchs__; uhh maybe it's best you don't speak english?
22:16 you got named after the great hero of the soviets Alexei Sorokin
22:17 bnchs__ maybe is better yo never speak again
22:17 bnchs__; oh uhhh ok
22:18 XRevan86; bnchs__: I'll keep you company.
22:18 psydroid2; ?
22:18 psydroid2; *
22:19 XRevan86; "" works colloquially. But the "" thing I don't understand.
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22:19 MinceR; :)
22:20 XRevan86; psydroid2: Were ye trying to say " ?"
22:20
22:20 psydroid2; XRevan86, trying to infer things from Dutch/English doesn't work so well, does it? :)
22:21 psydroid2; I'm just a few lessons in, so I am trying to use what I know
22:22 XRevan86; "but what here there problem", I am failing to back-track it to English either.
22:22 psydroid2; and yes, I should have used
22:22 problemo
22:22 psydroid2; "but what is the problem here?"
22:23 XRevan86; " ?"
22:23 psydroid2; s it feminine in Ukrainian?
22:23 XRevan86; psydroid2: Of course.
22:24 psydroid2; well, in any other language including Greek it's neuter or masculine
22:24 *psydroid2 has learned a few things today
22:25 XRevan86; psydroid2: It's loaned from Latin "problema", and the ending suggests the noun class.
22:25 psydroid2; even Latin problema is neuter, but I get that it didn't get borrowed with that gender into Ukrainian
22:26 XRevan86; psydroid2: Yea, the gender is purely ending-based.
22:26 chunky; broken startup scripts + you use mac + u run irssi as root + ur low on vitamins + u have a favorite commercial + hope u die + u use walmart wifi
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22:31 problema is masculine
22:32 XRevan86; : In what language?
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22:32 italian roman
22:33 XRevan86; Can't argue with that.
22:35 XRevan86; psydroid2: Knowing that it is "problem" in Polish made things make more sense to me, but then ye should have used "" of course.
22:36 of course.
22:37 psydroid2; XRevan86, I just did a few lessons and don't have a background in relatively closely related Slavic languages, I'm sure my languages will be better in a month or two
22:37 psydroid2; I forgot about
22:38 XRevan86; I get that both "" and "" translate as "what" to English.
22:39 XRevan86; "what is this?" " ?"; "what a guy!" " !"
22:39 psydroid2; literally you are saying "which is the problem here?" in Ukrainian
22:39 psydroid2; yes
22:39 psydroid2; that's the context I was missing
22:39 psydroid2; you also do that in Romance languages
22:40 psydroid2; "cal es el problema?"
22:40 XRevan86; "which" is "" :)
22:40 psydroid2; "what kind of?"
22:40 which=what
22:41 psydroid2; I'm not sure there is a one-to-one correspondence with any of my native languages
22:42 what is more abstract
22:42 psydroid2; maybe somewhat in Hindi
22:42 psydroid2; "kaunsa problem hai?" = "what is the problem?"
22:43 which predetermines an assortment of choises
22:43 psydroid2; "kya hota hai?" = "what is happening?"
22:43 psydroid2; yes, it makes sense now
22:43 kingoffrance; "hey hai" = ???
22:43 isnt that japanese?
22:43 psydroid2; lol
22:44 psydroid2; maybe
22:45 hai is yes in japanese
22:45 psydroid2; hey isn't a word in Hindi, as far as I know
22:45 psydroid2; "hai" means "is"
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22:49 not mutch of words interjections
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22:50 bnchs__; did i shut up long enough
22:50 exclamations
22:50 obviously no
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22:52 bnchs__; ok
22:52 isnt so much a word but an exclamation
22:52 kingoffrance; no, as your punishment you must write 200 pages single spaced defining "state" and "rights" and "person" and "human" and "property" and "family" and how abolishing the "state" will magically lead to a coherent system instead of just meaningless gibberish and more confusion of tongues
22:52 bnchs__; kingoffrance, wtf are you gonna do if i don't write them
22:53 kingoffrance; MinceR will be sad
22:53 bnchs__; it's either my sanity or mincer
22:53 MinceR; hai is shark in german
22:53 no way
22:54 MinceR; i don't think anyone said that abolshing the state by itself will lead to a coherent system
22:54 MinceR; it will merely do away with a certain class of injustices
22:54 kingoffrance; the problem is noone agrees on any of those words
22:54 kingoffrance; its 5 volume controls conway's law
22:54 MinceR; too bad for you, i guess
22:55 kingoffrance; yes, 1984 just makes up words
22:55 kingoffrance; why is that bad for me?
22:55 kingoffrance; it just means you have no coherent thought
22:56 kingoffrance; trapped in hegelian nonsense
22:56 MinceR shark in german translayes to yikes
22:56 MinceR; i've said nothing about hegel and you're frothing in rage about someone daring to say bad things about your beloved state
22:56 kingoffrance; i have no state, you are doing some kind of weird "anyone not me must be destroyed"
22:57 kingoffrance; you are projectig
22:57 kingoffrance; *projecting
22:57 MinceR; you're either trolling or you don't understand english
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22:57 kingoffrance; so now everyone agrees on words? way to twist yourself into a pretzel
22:57 MinceR; do they?
22:58 kingoffrance; you turned into CrystalMath/lee
22:58 MinceR; uh huh
22:58 kingoffrance; "you don't understand english" you implied there is one system everyone agrees on with that
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 45.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 114.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 333.23
22:59 abolish monarchic
22:59 kingoffrance; the fact you didnt mentino hegel does not mean you do not do such nonsense
22:59 kingoffrance; you have some lack of understanding that things are not magically whatever you call them
23:00 kingoffrance; or in your case, that being silent means you cannot be pushing something, because you didnt' call it that
23:00 is there a problem?
23:00 kingoffrance; lol
23:01 kingoffrance; nah, i just thought "non commies" had something to offer besides word games
23:01 MinceR; apparently the problem is that kingoffrance was fatally triggered by me saying that the state should be abolished
23:01 psydroid2;
23:01 MinceR; also, apparently the alternative to "word games" is word salad
23:01 kingoffrance; you havent defined "
23:01 kingoffrance; t"the state"
23:01 kingoffrance; point me to a definitino
23:01 *psydroid2 is hungry
23:01 kingoffrance; its just your emotions run amok
23:01 MinceR; and there's the projection
23:02 kingoffrance; point me to a definitino outside your head
23:02 kingoffrance; go
23:02 MinceR; if you were arguing in good faith, i would
23:02 MinceR; but you aren't
23:02 MinceR; so instead i'll look for something more productive to do
23:02 abolish the stat and let elon muxk tule the world thru titter
23:02 kingoffrance; see? its just 1984 anyone not on your "side" is not in good "faith" -- a religion
23:02 immibis; MinceR: we already abolished state. the state evolved from absence of state
23:02 kingoffrance; ^^^
23:03 kingoffrance; thank you
23:03 bnchs__; psydroid2, then eat
23:03 MinceR; immibis: it's time for us to learn from the consequences of that
23:03 MinceR; kingoffrance: again, learn english
23:03 immibis; MinceR: learning from history by deliberately repeating it?
23:03 psydroid2; bnchs__, I am going to do just that, I'm going to have to choose between some sandwiches and word salad
23:03 kingoffrance; americans only have to know american law. people are the state. the end
23:04 kingoffrance; so you want to abolish all people apparently
23:04 MinceR; immibis: learning from history by undoing the disaster we caused and making sure it doesn't happen again
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23:04 CrystalMath; MinceR: what does it mean if there are no states?
23:04 kingoffrance; ^^^
23:04 CrystalMath; what i would agree with, is individual freedom
23:04 CrystalMath; but not some kind of globalist hell
23:05 immibis; MinceR: last time there was no state there was a state soon after
23:05 kingoffrance; ^^^
23:05 immibis; MinceR: also who's gonna defend you from poo-tin
23:05 kingoffrance; well you guys cheer me up gotta get some work done thank you not everyone is so idiotic
23:05 bnchs__; psydroid2, word salad?
23:05 kingoffrance; "socialists" thought long about these issues, they are not new
23:06 psydroid2; bnchs__, that was a reference to what was said above, I'm definitely going for sandwiches
23:06 psydroid2; word salad = gibberish
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23:08 do you think elon muxk is afraid to be censored from twitter?
23:08 or maybe is actually trying to
23:08 bnchs__; elon musk is a soulless guy
23:09 why?
23:09 bexause he somked weed?
23:09 bnchs__; no
23:09 bnchs__; because he only cares about profits
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23:09 bnchs__; and PR stunts
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23:09 he cares about the environment
23:10 kingoffrance; my apologies CrystalMath i only said lee because he also did corporate person as "state". i will not lump you into that +CrystalMath lol
23:11 he wants to be boring but the world doesnt let him
23:11 bnchs__; hahaha
23:11 bnchs__; he "cares" about the environment
23:12 id he a trump supporter?
23:13 i think he just like that he breaks the mold
23:13 CrystalMath; Elon Musk wants to bring free speech to twitter
23:13 bnchs__; : lets just say
23:13 CrystalMath; commendable, but i fear that's like trying to bring matter to antimatte
23:13 CrystalMath; *antimatter
23:13 bnchs__; his company, tesla is known for covering up everything bad about it
23:13 bnchs__; INCLUDING environment violations
23:13 bnchs__; environmental violations*
23:13 CrystalMath; it may explode
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23:14 bnchs__; twitter can't be free speech
23:14 you cant make omelets with out breaking a few egs
23:14 bnchs__; the website is designed for censorship
23:14 CrystalMath; bnchs__: well we'll see what happens
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23:14 bnchs__; ok
23:14 CrystalMath; i'm curious if Elon Musk could do it
23:14 CrystalMath; if he can't, nobody can
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23:14 bnchs__; but i don't trust elon musk
23:14 bnchs__; the CEO of a company that covers up and lies
23:14 bnchs__; multiple times
23:16 elon musk is a modern 007
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23:16 bnchs__; his company is as "eco-friendly" as other companies
23:16 but he makes green cats
23:17 ars
23:18 bnchs__; "In June 2018, Tesla employee Martin Tripp leaked information that Tesla was scrapping or reworking up to 40% of its raw materials at the Nevada Gigafactory.[453] After Tesla fired him for the leak, Tripp filed a lawsuit and claimed Tesla's security team gave police a false tip that he was planning a mass shooting at the Nevada factory. The court ruled in Tesla's favor on September 17, 2020"
23:18 XRevan86; Things are really bad when serious media don't want to touch a topic without a triple-check.
23:19 bnchs__; if what this guy is saying is tru
23:19 bnchs__; then i can see that tesla goes as far as to swat their employees
23:19 bnchs__; for whistleblowing
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23:26 cant talk about muxk or you bobarded by unsolveble capchs
23:27 try reading your email after trying to find 1000 trafic lights
23:27 chunky; yr mom is attracted to u + ur phone has multiple mcdonalds wifi saved + fat as fuck + you can't eat solid foods + you lose money on shitcoins + you blame black folk for ruining your life
23:29 has this irc been hijacked
23:29 psydroid2; things look saner when you can't see what chunky the free-shitposter writes
23:30 bnchs__; chunky, i'm not fat
23:30 psydroid2; no, he just writes bullshit all day long
23:30 bnchs__; i'm big buneddd!!
23:30 must elons fan boy
23:30 bnchs__; but who the fuck uses mcdonalds wifi
23:31 everyone
23:31 bnchs__; i think there was an idea i had years ago
23:31 bnchs__; like hiding a raspberry pi in a mcdonalds
23:31 bnchs__; connected to their wifi
23:31 bnchs__; acting like a server
23:31 i use every free wifi i can get into
23:32 you mean repeater?
23:32 bnchs__; no
23:32 bnchs__; a public server
23:32 bnchs__; basically you steal their bandwidth
23:32 bnchs__; for hosting crap
23:33 kingoffrance; should be noted: any real contracts require at least 1) consideration both sides give something 2) "good faith" 3) terms are defined it is quite the projection to leave out 1) and 3) and then accuse someone of neglecting 2). leaving out 1) and 3) is not "good faith"
23:33 for a moment i tought you said public servant
23:33 bnchs__; have you ever seen someone get emotional over a computer
23:33 kingoffrance; so 1984 "good faith" nowadays lol
23:33 bnchs__; i did
23:33 kingoffrance; it means 180 of actual definition lol
23:33 bnchs__; when it didn't wanna boot
23:34 how do you steal freewaifi
23:34 bnchs__; i cried that day, because the display was blank even though it was on
23:34 bnchs__; capcitior died
23:34 thats a concept i cant grasp
23:34 bnchs__; : you steal the bandwidth
23:34 bnchs__; of the free wifi
23:35 you mean like IPFS
23:35 kingoffrance; 4) is perhaps a subset of one, someone has the power to give what they claim to give . this is why people claim "god" gave them "rights" etc.
23:35 kingoffrance; minor point
23:35 bnchs__; i got too attached to my computer
23:36 some people like tamagoshys
23:36 but nothing beats smart phones
23:38 because its better then lord given rights?
23:38 god is a consensual king
23:39 but actually what really gives people rights is money
23:39 money is god like
23:47 bnchs__; smartphones ruined the internet
23:47 bnchs__; after smartphones came out, the internet became shit
23:47 bnchs__; because everyone just knows centralized social control media
23:47 bnchs__; instead of bookmarks of peoples' websites
23:49 MinceR; well, if musk manages to destroy twatter, i'd say that's a desirable outcome
23:49 MinceR; 12 000516 < immibis> MinceR: also who's gonna defend you from poo-tin
23:49 MinceR; free people
23:49 bnchs__; fuck smartphones
23:49 bnchs__; if smartphones didn't exist
23:49 bnchs__; the internet wouldn't be the way it was
23:50 kingoffrance; *persons MinceR redefines persons as plural of people. which is common post-enlightenment, but FYI
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