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1 AM, April 12

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01:27 schestowitz-TR; [00:48] <techrights-news> Years ago FOSS Force spoke about the corruption of Linux Foundation. Now, after getting money from Linux

01:27 schestowitz-TR; Foundation, it does puff pieces for the corrupt Linux Foundation. SJVN effect. https://fossforce.com/2022/04/protecting-open-sour

↺ https://fossforce.com/2022/04/protecting-open-sour

01:27 schestowitz-TR; ce-security-as-cold-war-turns-hot/

01:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fossforce.com | OpenSSF Protects Open Source Security as Cold War Turns Hot- FOSS Force

01:27 schestowitz-TR; do not restart tuxmachines or anything, I work on its DB. As I worried, it was in a poor state, this may take a while


2 AM, April 12

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4 AM, April 12

04:33 schestowitz-TR; gm

04:33 schestowitz-TR; no hurry

04:33 schestowitz-TR; let's start with, is it ok to leave channel settings for wifi as is?

04:33 schestowitz-TR; it 'felt' faster' after changing that AND finding the culprit

04:34 Techrights-sec; ack

04:34 Techrights-sec; gm

04:34 Techrights-sec; ok

04:34 Techrights-sec; probably. checking

04:34 Techrights-sec; I don't see any overlapping channels but a whole bunch of them have all changed

04:34 Techrights-sec; at the same time. that might be part of the problem

04:35 schestowitz-TR; I see

04:35 schestowitz-TR; anyway, it was not the problem in our case

04:35 schestowitz-TR; but I will leave wifi like that

04:35 schestowitz-TR; it 'felt' like latency came down a bit

04:37 schestowitz-TR; so, about tuxmachines, at the moment I try a bunch of tools to fix the records

04:37 schestowitz-TR; but just in case we can also restore from sunday morning backup, then I can manually re-add all the node

04:37 schestowitz-TR; but I want to take advantage of this situation to just change the OS

04:37 schestowitz-TR; you can see in irc scrollback stuff related to this

04:37 schestowitz-TR; I also sent email

04:38 Techrights-sec; ok

04:38 Techrights-sec; yes, I saw the e-mail and skimmed through it. There were quite a few log

04:38 Techrights-sec; entries warning of repair

04:38 Techrights-sec; needed

04:40 schestowitz-TR; this is at the very least educational to me

04:40 schestowitz-TR; I am not stressed as we can get it orking again, we had worse downtimes too

04:40 schestowitz-TR; it has just finished doing recovery that took 15 minutes with a tool

04:40 schestowitz-TR; but I see that too resulted in no solution

04:40 schestowitz-TR; I want to try another tool, I've not yet received a reply from kaniia

04:40 schestowitz-TR; I'm certain that means afk

04:43 Techrights-sec; there are mysqldup gzip'ed files for each day, if that helps

04:43 Techrights-sec; mysqldump

04:46 schestowitz-TR; yes, we have 4 for sunday and monday

04:47 schestowitz-TR; I made some copies of dumps

04:47 schestowitz-TR; thje current DB works well if you are logged in

04:47 schestowitz-TR; this is an issue we had at least twice about 4 years ago

04:47 schestowitz-TR; same symptoms, same outcome

04:47 schestowitz-TR; but really we need to move to a better system

04:47 schestowitz-TR; xrevan has explained that the storage engine used at least for some of the tables is veru bad

04:47 schestowitz-TR; innodb should be used universally

04:47 schestowitz-TR; this, I think, explains why kaniini struggled to move this DB to the dedicated DB container

04:47 Techrights-sec; ack

04:47 Techrights-sec; I thought it was innodb there all the way through?

04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> psydruid: just throwing out there this remark, ymmv

04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> techdirt moved to wordpress last month

04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> they were anxious to migrate

04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> not sure what they used before

04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> techdirt goes back to the 1990s

04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> running sites for this long is very hard, without "overhaul", as technology changes far too fast

04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:58] <schestowitz-TR> php may not work after a version bump, OSes deprecate support for "old" things, some projects get abandon

04:50 schestowitz-TR; ed, so no security fixes

04:50 schestowitz-TR; tuxmachines goes all the way to 2004

04:50 schestowitz-TR; there's tons of material there long lost from the web

04:50 schestowitz-TR; the urls it links to can be recovered from IA

04:50 schestowitz-TR; susan left his life's work with us

04:50 schestowitz-TR; with challenges that her ex, texstar, was able to tackle

04:50 schestowitz-TR; but not her

04:51 Techrights-sec; yes

04:51 Techrights-sec; not everything is (still) in the IA though

04:55 schestowitz-TR; IA is just a backup plan, but not dependable

04:55 schestowitz-TR; for research etc.

04:55 schestowitz-TR; most people focus on the present, not the distant past

04:55 schestowitz-TR; and then there are revisionists, who should be confroned

04:55 schestowitz-TR; without evidence from the past it's easier to lie about the past

04:55 schestowitz-TR; there are museums made to ensure this does not happen

04:55 schestowitz-TR; "bush was right to liberate afghanistan"

04:55 schestowitz-TR; "thatcher was misunderstood"

04:59 Techrights-sec; I wonder if there is already a plugin which adds parallel links to the IA

04:59 Techrights-sec; some projects, like Ubuntu, expend effort to delete their archives and to

04:59 Techrights-sec; erase what could have been preserved in an organized fashion with less effort

04:59 Techrights-sec; Yes, being able to lie about the past as M$ does is one of the "advantages" of

04:59 Techrights-sec; having no records of the past anywhere

04:59 Techrights-sec; "reagan did not sow the seeds of destruction which would ultimately bring down

04:59 Techrights-sec; the nation"

04:59 Techrights-sec; Reagan undid the educational system in the US and that is by far the most

04:59 Techrights-sec; harmful act so far when considered in the long term. Ultimately the populace

04:59 Techrights-sec; loses the knowledge needed to govern itself and even retain an operational

04:59 Techrights-sec; economy. The Soviets who arranged for him to do that would be laughing if they

04:59 Techrights-sec; would have been still around,

04:59 schestowitz-TR; US capital got funneled into very few hands in the course of several decades

04:59 schestowitz-TR; and then bought the media, "charter" schools etc.

04:59 schestowitz-TR; so we're meant to delebrate this

04:59 schestowitz-TR; poor folks struggling to maintain a site while the oligarchs buy papers, twitter,

04:59 schestowitz-TR; and reputatyion-laundering PR firms


5 AM, April 12

05:00 Techrights-sec; That too

05:00 Techrights-sec; yes. the gratuitious complexity which has entered most projects contributes to

05:00 Techrights-sec; the difficulty in operating a site.

05:00 Techrights-sec; backing up TR now

05:02 schestowitz-TR; operating soites is a multi-faceted thing

05:02 schestowitz-TR; as groklaw shows

05:02 schestowitz-TR; writing articles is one aspect

05:02 schestowitz-TR; at work we help some who write about human rights

05:02 schestowitz-TR; but who struggle with the technical side

05:02 schestowitz-TR; let aside preservation

05:02 schestowitz-TR; so writing "for free" is hard

05:02 schestowitz-TR; blogspot will vanish

05:02 schestowitz-TR; you need a host

05:02 schestowitz-TR; and then you need maintainers

05:02 schestowitz-TR; that's why so many "news" sites are now offline

05:02 schestowitz-TR; keeping a sysadmin for $50,000 a year was not worth the gains

05:03 Techrights-sec; It only gets complex when you add the ability to comment. That requires both

05:03 Techrights-sec; a database and moderators. Just posting articles only (on the technology side)

05:03 Techrights-sec; requires a static site generator.

05:05 schestowitz-TR; last MyISAM recovery attempt will finished in about 2 minutes

05:05 schestowitz-TR; after so many scans and repairs I would not even trust its state

05:06 schestowitz-TR; even if it "worked" again

05:06 schestowitz-TR; Sunday morning at 5am was the last "trustworthy" state and I can add the missing node and comments

05:06 schestowitz-TR; in the right order within an hour

05:06 schestowitz-TR; but that would not solve the OS issue, so we might wait

05:06 Techrights-sec; yes, most activities require at least a 25% FTE administrator

05:06 Techrights-sec; right, I hope there is the opportunity to migrate now

05:10 schestowitz-TR; as expected, that last attempt did not solve the issue either

05:10 schestowitz-TR; but to be honest, even if it did, given our experience with similar

05:10 schestowitz-TR; situations 4 or so years ago, I would revert back to an old site state

05:10 schestowitz-TR; with the old password and settings

05:10 schestowitz-TR; but I do wonder if we can, without bothering kaniini configure the DB software to run OK

05:10 schestowitz-TR; with this tuxmachines DB

05:10 schestowitz-TR; maybe some distros keep older, long-term DB versions

05:10 Techrights-sec; can the site be set to use innodb during that process?

05:15 schestowitz-TR; according to xrevan it is not so simple

05:15 schestowitz-TR; I imagine that legacy drupal (maybe 4 or 5) used that old storage engine

05:15 schestowitz-TR; which trotted forward

05:15 schestowitz-TR; to avoid ending up like joindiaspora we need to move to a more robusst DB

05:15 schestowitz-TR; but some DB conversion tools I saw online are no longer maintained

05:15 schestowitz-TR; one extreme approach (VERY EXTREME, bear with me, I don't mean that seriously)

05:15 schestowitz-TR; is to scrape all the pages for 162,000 nodes and make static pages for each

05:15 schestowitz-TR; this is tricky for many reasons, but that's not the point

05:15 schestowitz-TR; and then, using the same URL for RSS feed

05:15 schestowitz-TR; you start afresh with a better or more "modern" stack

05:15 schestowitz-TR; modern does not mean better

05:15 schestowitz-TR; I would rather stay with the same CMS of course, which we can do, but I want to

05:15 schestowitz-TR; push the OS back to the present

05:15 schestowitz-TR; I've just checked again. no reply from kaniini

05:16 Techrights-sec; I would think that the dump could be without the createtables parts and the

05:16 Techrights-sec; creation done manually then import just the data from the dumps

05:16 Techrights-sec; :/

05:16 Techrights-sec; That would take weeks

05:16 Techrights-sec; and be error prone

05:16 Techrights-sec; modern often means unnecessarily complex and bloated

05:16 Techrights-sec; yes that sounds like a good idea

05:16 Techrights-sec; ack

05:16 Techrights-sec; just backed up Git too; that could be automated

05:19 schestowitz-TR; for irc, the sole purpose of a backup now is new registered users I think

05:19 schestowitz-TR; the rest stays the same

05:20 schestowitz-TR; going from the dumbs is, afaic remember, what we did the last time, when

05:20 schestowitz-TR; we moved DBs outwards

05:20 schestowitz-TR; that seemed to work at first

05:20 schestowitz-TR; but then as soon as you post something the same thing would happedn as happened past midnight

05:20 Techrights-sec; I have no backup of IRC

05:23 schestowitz-TR; one thing def. worth trying is, use a reject tm backup dump

05:23 schestowitz-TR; does not have to be recent (i.e. broken)

05:23 schestowitz-TR; load that into localghost in a laptop

05:23 schestowitz-TR; and then try to see if the OS handles it OK

05:23 schestowitz-TR; when new nodes are added

05:23 schestowitz-TR; this way we can even make a ready system to deploy

05:24 Techrights-sec; yes

05:24 Techrights-sec; which distro?

05:24 schestowitz-TR; I was just thinking the same

05:24 schestowitz-TR; maybe something not too modern

05:24 schestowitz-TR; but with legacy php and mysql/mariadb

05:24 Techrights-sec; ubuntu lts?

05:27 schestowitz-TR; yes, that might work

05:27 schestowitz-TR; if the backup import (techrights has many dumps under ~archives)

05:27 schestowitz-TR; is out of date, it can later be brought up to data

05:27 schestowitz-TR; the hard part will be seeing if new stories can be added without the DB

05:27 schestowitz-TR; getting all worked up

05:27 schestowitz-TR; this is not a new "challenge"

05:27 schestowitz-TR; it's something that just had us go "fuck it"

05:27 schestowitz-TR; "let's leave that for another day"

05:27 schestowitz-TR; the db host was alpine afaik

05:27 schestowitz-TR; the centos os tuxmachines has sysctl

05:27 schestowitz-TR; alpine is... different

05:28 Techrights-sec; ack

05:28 Techrights-sec; alpine is ok

05:31 schestowitz-TR; remember that tuxmachines was imported into centos in 2013 from a DEBIAN

05:32 schestowitz-TR; box

05:32 schestowitz-TR; hence, the files, ALL THE FILES, are under /var

05:32 schestowitz-TR; /home and /root are just a bunch of junk, the settings for apache are

05:32 schestowitz-TR; in the usual place

05:32 schestowitz-TR; using a local install of it, extracting gemtext by going through ~/node/1 upwards

05:32 schestowitz-TR; would not be too hard

05:32 schestowitz-TR; it might even be worth doing as it's vastly easier than mediawiki or wordpress

05:32 schestowitz-TR; and then serve as a static record with canonical form

05:32 Techrights-sec; following a rolling release distro would require occasional cleanups

05:32 Techrights-sec; followign an LT distro would require major work periodically but spaced much

05:32 Techrights-sec; further apart temporarly

05:32 Techrights-sec; So the old records would be static?

05:34 schestowitz-TR; I meant, if we get this running also on a laptop, then running a program to cycle

05:34 schestowitz-TR; through nodes 1-162,000... and then get the body of that would be simple, e.g.

05:34 schestowitz-TR; to make gemtext pages for each

05:34 schestowitz-TR; the pi can even serve those with the existing proxy, we have lots of space

05:34 Techrights-sec; I could set up devuan temporarily on a spare device for a while.

05:34 Techrights-sec; It could be accessible via SSH. The web aspect would have to be tunneled over

05:34 Techrights-sec; SSH

05:40 schestowitz-TR; that would be excellent.

05:40 schestowitz-TR; asa I said, apache under /etc and /var with the rest, all that's needed then it DB import

05:40 schestowitz-TR; and pointing to localhost

05:40 schestowitz-TR; the scary part is adding a new node

05:40 schestowitz-TR; when we tried that with alpine it was not happy, rianne does not yet know about the site

05:40 schestowitz-TR; bbut she knows we epent a lot of time investigation

05:40 schestowitz-TR; we're very committed to that site and need the upgrade

05:40 schestowitz-TR; "modern" means bloat, and while it might work this year and next year and maybe another year

05:40 schestowitz-TR; that exponentially becomes expensive to maintain

05:40 schestowitz-TR; diasoora is dying, jusging by steep deceline in active users

05:40 schestowitz-TR; mastodon is the next identica

05:40 schestowitz-TR; distro.toot and drew devault would not bother snymore

05:40 schestowitz-TR; mastodon, like diaspora, need to keep huge DBs and stuff, even for just a few users

05:40 schestowitz-TR; the concept is OK, but blogs with RSS are better

05:40 schestowitz-TR; dogg.com died partly due to technical debt

05:40 schestowitz-TR; it was poorly coded with mysql iirc

05:40 schestowitz-TR; and they needed to do major overhauls just for the site to keep going

05:42 Techrights-sec; mastodon requires a *tremendous* amount of overhead for very little result

05:42 Techrights-sec; and then on top of that there is the javascript

05:42 schestowitz-TR; at one point, iirc, they would hide the comments by default

05:42 schestowitz-TR; those were computationallly expensive, e.g. checking for each of your "friends"

05:42 schestowitz-TR; if they were related to any of the comments displayed

05:42 schestowitz-TR; nice "feature", but huige overhead

05:45 Techrights-sec; ack

05:52 schestowitz-TR; speaking in the abstract

05:52 schestowitz-TR; onm coffe, not drunk

05:52 schestowitz-TR; there is a sea of change for the net/web

05:52 schestowitz-TR; for a number or reasons we both know about

05:52 schestowitz-TR; those who managed to stay afloat will eat those who perish

05:52 schestowitz-TR; cnx added a TOOOOOOON oif bloat

05:52 schestowitz-TR; that's why his site went offline like 3 times in a week

05:52 schestowitz-TR; he ran afoul of rules biolated by the crap he had added

05:52 schestowitz-TR; yesterday I thought about the fast agging of "apps"

05:52 schestowitz-TR; of lxer being offline for like 3 days

05:52 schestowitz-TR; social media is collapsing

05:52 schestowitz-TR; FB even admits it

05:52 schestowitz-TR; I see it for myself, not just my account by others', like glynmoody

05:52 schestowitz-TR; 'free' video hosting

05:52 schestowitz-TR; and another thing I was gonna mention but forgot (it was not that iumportant anyway, and this is informal chat)

05:52 schestowitz-TR; I forgot, cannot remember, pressing on

05:52 schestowitz-TR; techrights has debt, same for all old sites

05:52 schestowitz-TR; techdirt is one example

05:52 schestowitz-TR; ipwatchtroll is antoehr

05:52 schestowitz-TR; the editor left, not they try to hide the lack of visitors/comments

05:52 schestowitz-TR; phoronis is plastered together

05:52 schestowitz-TR; several "overhauls" over theyears

05:52 schestowitz-TR; maybe what I wanted to say though, a lot of history will be accessible through those

05:52 schestowitz-TR; more capable of staying online longer, and on a shoestring budget

05:52 Techrights-sec; http/3 is an ummitigated disaster and will cut out all the small shops which

05:52 Techrights-sec; happen to remain

05:52 Techrights-sec; ack

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05:57 schestowitz-TR; also CAs and TLS, imposed by btoewdwser

05:57 schestowitz-TR; maybew this is the intention, to crush the smal

05:57 schestowitz-TR; because you cannot just leave it there alone, you have to routinely renew things

05:57 schestowitz-TR; and then top-level CAs go out of existence

05:57 schestowitz-TR; taking out older devices from the Web

05:57 schestowitz-TR; so you need to buy new TV/phone

05:57 schestowitz-TR; it still feels like yesterday's Internet self-nuke resulted for me in a

05:57 schestowitz-TR; connection with lower latency

05:57 schestowitz-TR; I did not measure anything, but it feels like it

05:57 schestowitz-TR; if Sunday's TM deterioration (caused by nothing in particular|) results in a gemini capsule for it

05:57 schestowitz-TR; and a more modern OS, then maybe it's for the better

05:57 schestowitz-TR; the point I was mking earlier when the head became overloaded with example is,

05:57 schestowitz-TR; the longevity of tech in general (online and offline) is nder attack

05:57 schestowitz-TR; to be clear, techdirt did not move to wordpress

05:57 schestowitz-TR; it moved to wordpress.com

05:57 schestowitz-TR; they do censorship and other stuff

05:57 schestowitz-TR; so their resolution to techniacal debt was running into a trap

05:57 schestowitz-TR; that they cannot get out of

05:58 Techrights-sec; :/

05:58 Techrights-sec; that was a disadvantageous decision for techdirt to make


6 AM, April 12

06:00 schestowitz-TR; I mentioned this to him in Twitter

06:00 schestowitz-TR; (to Mike)

06:00 schestowitz-TR; I was one of the first dozen in that pplatform

06:00 schestowitz-TR; like drupal, hosting is their business model

06:00 schestowitz-TR; when pressed over things techdirt published

06:00 schestowitz-TR; it would be matt mulleneg et al and their lawyers deciding

06:00 schestowitz-TR; not mmasnick's lawyers

06:00 schestowitz-TR; and you do know they have many enemies

06:00 schestowitz-TR; it's like github, but for journalism

06:00 schestowitz-TR; when I was in berlin wordpress.com suspended my account

06:00 schestowitz-TR; I was their beta tester!

06:00 schestowitz-TR; then they accepted it was in error

06:00 schestowitz-TR; but they never asked me or notificed me

06:01 schestowitz-TR; mike's enemies can do to him now what shiva ayadurai did to joindiaspora

06:01 schestowitz-TR; or diasporta

06:01 schestowitz-TR; lukas did delete that past after charles harder had sent the latter

06:02 Techrights-sec; interesting so they have an anti-FOSS agenda from early on

06:03 schestowitz-TR; no, wordpress is that ios what you mean gives the source code as GPL

06:03 schestowitz-TR; never mind the crappy non-GPL stuff they add to wordpress

06:03 schestowitz-TR; (and which I oppose, some of it came from facebook)

06:03 schestowitz-TR; but the hosting is a service they tell

06:04 schestowitz-TR; while I suppose keeping incentive to use the hosting

06:04 schestowitz-TR; like drupal's company

06:04 schestowitz-TR; by increasing the underlying complexity

06:04 schestowitz-TR; some of the recent security fixes in wordpress are for plugins and bloat they added later on

06:04 schestowitz-TR; those contribute to the attack surface

06:04 schestowitz-TR; so newer does not always mean safer

06:12 schestowitz-TR; ---

06:12 schestowitz-TR; key for test setup?

06:12 schestowitz-TR; oh, one thing mentioned in irc was https for tuxmachines

06:12 schestowitz-TR; tbere were some missing packages needed for certbot before

06:24 schestowitz-TR; going to take a nap, no word back from kaniini yet

06:24 schestowitz-TR; btw, galler at tuxmachines uses external db

06:24 schestowitz-TR; which is specified in the config file

06:24 schestowitz-TR; *Gallery2


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9 AM, April 12

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09:33 schestowitz-TR; no reply yet from kaniini

09:33 schestowitz-TR; I am connected to the server now

09:38 schestowitz-TR; I can see techrights on it

09:38 schestowitz-TR; and version bookworm/sid, devuan deadalus/ceres

09:38 schestowitz-TR; I think it would help to test tuxmachines for DB compatibility

09:38 schestowitz-TR; do you deem it a good idea to host both sites on the same VM?

09:38 schestowitz-TR; while possible, they share IP address, I think

09:38 schestowitz-TR; also, techrights migration is a very big job and less urgent

09:38 schestowitz-TR; should I, in the meanwtime , restore TM from a good backup and add the missing nodes?

09:38 schestowitz-TR; seeing that kaniini is not likely to respond today?

09:41 Techrights-sec; yes rsyncing stuff to /var/www/techrights.org/*

09:41 Techrights-sec; it'll take a while longer before the files are there

09:41 Techrights-sec; I

09:41 Techrights-sec; I'm not sure. It'd make it easier to move them separately if they are each

09:41 Techrights-sec; in their own VM

09:41 Techrights-sec; perhaps. how long would it take to do the restoration and how much inconvenience would it be to do that work and would it ease th

09:41 Techrights-sec; e migration?

09:45 schestowitz-TR; restoring old DEB is fast

09:45 schestowitz-TR; what would take less than an hour is manually copying nodes from the new to old

09:45 schestowitz-TR; the latter would need to be done either way, eventually

09:45 schestowitz-TR; thoughts?>

09:46 Techrights-sec; ack

09:46 Techrights-sec; I guess it nees to be done then

09:46 schestowitz-TR; I will start now

09:46 schestowitz-TR; won't be fun, but this should work OK

09:46 Techrights-sec; ack

09:51 schestowitz-TR; the file I will restore the DB from is not in the homedir of tuxmachines

09:51 schestowitz-TR; but first I will put the service back up and copy across from current copy

09:51 schestowitz-TR; the diffs

09:51 schestowitz-TR; eta 1 hour


10 AM, April 12

10:45 schestowitz-TR; extracting posts since Sunday midnigth done

10:45 schestowitz-TR; next: comments

10:45 schestowitz-TR; after that: db restore

10:45 schestowitz-TR; then restore posts

10:45 Techrights-sec; (still syncing videos and such here)

10:45 Techrights-sec; np

10:45 schestowitz-TR; then restore comments

10:45 schestowitz-TR; thanks for helping!


11 AM, April 12

11:14 schestowitz-TR; done comment extraction

11:14 schestowitz-TR; wtf?

11:14 schestowitz-TR; I can gunzip the 09042022 dump OK

11:14 schestowitz-TR; but the one of 10042022 says

11:14 schestowitz-TR; invalid compressedm data--crc error

11:14 schestowitz-TR; no, on live TM or live TR

11:14 schestowitz-TR; for the tuxmachines dump

11:14 schestowitz-TR; I first failed to gunziup it on tm, after copying it from tr archives

11:14 schestowitz-TR; then I tried on TR, same outcome

11:14 schestowitz-TR; I check the 9th April file just to go phew!

11:14 schestowitz-TR; no

11:14 schestowitz-TR; 9 works

11:14 schestowitz-TR; wait, can you uncompress tm-db-2022-0410.dump.gz OK on your own machines?

11:14 schestowitz-TR; because on the server it fails

11:16 Techrights-sec; ack

11:16 Techrights-sec; on the test machine?

11:16 Techrights-sec; ??

11:16 Techrights-sec; strange, the gzip takes place on TR after fetching the dump from TM

11:16 Techrights-sec; 2022-04-09 failed too

11:16 Techrights-sec; tm-db-20220410.dump.gz on TR seems ok so far maybe it did not get copied back

11:16 Techrights-sec; to TM ok

11:16 Techrights-sec; checking

11:16 Techrights-sec; it gunzips ok on the backup drive but I do not have it copied to the beta machine ye

11:16 Techrights-sec; yet

11:20 schestowitz-TR; what is the size of ther the resultant file? should be around 1.84gb

11:20 schestowitz-TR; on the TR server that file is 472MB

11:20 schestowitz-TR; for the 11th it sank to 452MB

11:20 schestowitz-TR; maybe you run another commeand?

11:20 schestowitz-TR; I just gunzip file

11:20 schestowitz-TR; can you uncompress the file on TR for me? just to be sure no error seen?

11:20 schestowitz-TR; Then I will rsync it across to TM (takes seconds)

11:21 Techrights-sec; 451M

11:21 Techrights-sec; 1a589ecf2f578d49c5e71fb8fcdd4ea30723033d7bf39e3c9ca9155861f9b8f9 tm-db-20220410.dump.gz

11:21 Techrights-sec; SHA256 checksum

11:21 Techrights-sec; checksum matches for the gzipped file on both TR and here

11:21 Techrights-sec; Yes, I see

11:21 Techrights-sec; gunip -c

11:21 Techrights-sec; to leave the file untouched and then redirect somewhere

11:21 Techrights-sec; ok

11:23 Techrights-sec; /tmp/tm-db-20220410.dump

11:23 schestowitz-TR; it says 67mb

11:25 schestowitz-TR; the one for 9th, as you can see, is bigger

11:25 Techrights-sec; yes 1.8G in /tmp/

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11:30 Techrights-sec; maybe something happened well before the backup on the 10th but after the 9th?

11:31 schestowitz-TR; this backup was taken about 5 hours before the incident, the 9th is 29 hours

11:31 schestowitz-TR; but either way, gzip ought not fail unless there is an issue elsewhere

11:45 schestowitz-TR; I can retrieve posts (not comments) from the 9th too, then restore these also

11:45 schestowitz-TR; a bit scary if some of these backup dumps are not usable, try 8th and 7th

11:45 schestowitz-TR; just to be sure prior ones were OK?

11:45 schestowitz-TR; I am checking system logs for the 10th

11:45 schestowitz-TR; messages (syslog by RH) contains nothing related to these backups

11:45 schestowitz-TR; I think debian logs things for cron jobs

11:45 schestowitz-TR; oh, I think cron is another file

11:45 schestowitz-TR; cron files under /var/log just say that it ran

11:45 schestowitz-TR; do not provide any status or i/o

11:45 schestowitz-TR; the mariadb logs (mysql) on TM shoed nothing major BUT

11:45 schestowitz-TR; prior to the crash there were lots of these warnings we discussed the other day

11:45 schestowitz-TR; did you test the backups of 7th and 8th? if not, I will

11:45 schestowitz-TR; but even a bad dump ought not results in a bad gzip

11:47 Techrights-sec; maybe something happened well before the backup on the 10th but after the 9th?

11:47 Techrights-sec; ack

11:47 Techrights-sec; what about the mariadb log?

11:47 Techrights-sec; the status of cron jobs goes into the mail spool as an e-mail if the task

11:47 Techrights-sec; produced anything on either stdout or stderr

11:47 Techrights-sec; otherwise no records are kept

11:47 Techrights-sec; (if no other logging has been arranged explicitly)

11:58 schestowitz-TR; mailq | grep cron (or zip) produces nothing

11:58 schestowitz-TR; but if we see that 7th, 8th were OK

11:58 schestowitz-TR; also also test the backups after restorting the site

11:58 schestowitz-TR; then I think we should be safe

11:58 schestowitz-TR; I don't mind taking another 24 hours of posts and resorting them by hand

11:58 schestowitz-TR; should I or you test guznip on older tm-backups?

11:58 schestowitz-TR; I've left tmux where it shows a silence between march 8th until april 10th

11:58 schestowitz-TR; it is not very unusual

11:58 schestowitz-TR; on your offsite backups, are the 7th and 8th about 1.8gb in size when deflated?

11:58 schestowitz-TR; if so, I will go ahead and make more copies of another 24 hours

11:58 Techrights-sec; ack

11:58 Techrights-sec; looking

11:58 Techrights-sec; how unusual is that?

11:58 Techrights-sec; That's over a month.


noon, April 12

12:04 Techrights-sec; :(

12:04 Techrights-sec; $ gunzip -c tm-db-20220410.dump.gz > /dev/null

12:04 Techrights-sec; gzip: tm-db-20220410.dump.gz: invalid compressed data--crc error

12:04 Techrights-sec; gzip: tm-db-20220410.dump.gz: invalid compressed data--length error

12:04 Techrights-sec; the 9th is the last working backup

12:04 Techrights-sec; ok

12:04 Techrights-sec; 9th is ok

12:04 schestowitz-TR; yes, I know

12:04 schestowitz-TR; but try prior days just to be sure we don't have lots of faolure but only the odd

12:04 schestowitz-TR; one

12:04 schestowitz-TR; IIRC, that was around the time I copied everything over rsync, but that should

12:04 schestowitz-TR; not cause such damage, I don't think...

12:04 schestowitz-TR; I ran rsync with no option, just recursive for the /var/www dir

12:04 Techrights-sec; rsync is read-only in one direction or the other unless it is told to delete

12:04 Techrights-sec; the original after the copy

12:04 Techrights-sec; 8th is ok

12:07 schestowitz-TR; another side benefit here is that we get to test the most important backups: the DBs

12:07 schestowitz-TR; these are, for the site, what matters most

12:07 schestowitz-TR; it doesn't stroe much media or anythingf

12:07 schestowitz-TR; also, drupal table structure is such that givees drupal.nodes

12:07 schestowitz-TR; you can in theory import tham into latest drupal

12:08 Techrights-sec; 8th is ok

12:08 Techrights-sec; 7th uncompresses ok too

12:08 Techrights-sec; yes that is true

12:09 schestowitz-TR; ok, going another 24 hours backwards sounds sane enough to me, assuming problems silence started before the 10th

12:09 schestowitz-TR; I will get nodes and comments for Saturday also, then import the dump of the 9th 5am

12:12 schestowitz-TR; eta 1 hour

12:12 schestowitz-TR; curiously enough I cannot access the node with all the articles about the microsoft bribery

12:12 schestowitz-TR; it's the only such issue I found

12:12 schestowitz-TR; I put it in my notes to check for its integrity after the DB restore

12:15 Techrights-sec; ack

12:16 schestowitz-TR; i now see the same in another node

12:16 schestowitz-TR; my guess is that all my failed recoveries

12:16 schestowitz-TR; damaged some of the older nodes on this

12:16 schestowitz-TR; but we'll have them restored

12:47 *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)

12:48 schestowitz-TR; importing db now

12:48 schestowitz-TR; so far no errors shown

12:48 schestowitz-TR; remember tha the upside of this incident is that we test the backups

12:48 schestowitz-TR; for the first time since it was on tessier's servers afaik

12:48 schestowitz-TR; and in the process we'll lose almost no data

12:48 schestowitz-TR; afterwards remind me to test dumpb/backups

12:48 schestowitz-TR; because when we move to the new OS

12:48 schestowitz-TR; we'll use that dump to import the latest

12:48 schestowitz-TR; kaniini has not responded

12:48 schestowitz-TR; so IU assume afak

12:48 schestowitz-TR; *afk

12:48 schestowitz-TR; yes, we will need to clean up a bit afterards

12:48 schestowitz-TR; I will race against the clock

12:48 schestowitz-TR; in case marius or other sneak in a post

12:48 schestowitz-TR; runing the sequence

12:48 schestowitz-TR; and therefore node numbers

12:48 schestowitz-TR; I will restore them with consistency

12:49 Techrights-sec; shall we delete the defective two?


1 PM, April 12

13:32 schestowitz-TR; starting httpd

13:32 schestowitz-TR; ok, lookiung good on the http side

13:32 schestowitz-TR; Now I race against the clock

13:32 schestowitz-TR; i use social control media to ask people not to post anything yet

13:32 schestowitz-TR; eta 60 mins

13:32 schestowitz-TR; saturday restored

13:33 schestowitz-TR; can you space up loal and remote backups so that one dump is around 5pm, not am?

13:33 schestowitz-TR; it would make recovery more robust

13:33 schestowitz-TR; i'm halfway restorting now

13:33 schestowitz-TR; all good so far

13:33 schestowitz-TR; testing the backup/as in dumping when done would also give epace of mind

13:33 schestowitz-TR; can bounce in via tr or change crontab on TR for time?

13:33 schestowitz-TR; I think whether that can cause any issues, other than 5pm being "busy"

13:33 schestowitz-TR; on the current strong hardware it only causes a hang for about 1-2 mins

13:33 schestowitz-TR; TM's DV is the only probematic one of the 5

13:33 schestowitz-TR; we could not put that on apline/mariadb

13:33 schestowitz-TR; hence I was eager to see how devuan copes

13:33 schestowitz-TR; esp. if you add a new node

13:33 schestowitz-TR; as that's when it 'breaks'

13:33 Techrights-sec; ok

13:33 Techrights-sec; excellent

13:33 Techrights-sec; ack

13:33 Techrights-sec; ok

13:33 Techrights-sec; there are two parts, one is the creation of the dump file on TM

13:33 Techrights-sec; the other part is the transfer to TR

13:33 Techrights-sec; I don't have access to TM though due to the kex algorithm being too out of date

13:33 Techrights-sec; for connection.

13:33 Techrights-sec; on TR's side that would be /home/boycottn/bin/fetch-tm-dump.sh

13:34 Techrights-sec; and /home/boycottn/bin/delete-old-tm-dumps-except-mondays.sh

13:34 Techrights-sec; Is TM's database in TM or in the new VM for databases?

13:34 Techrights-sec; IF the latter, then a couple of steps are unnecessary and can be removed from

13:34 Techrights-sec; the work flow.

13:34 Techrights-sec; ok

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2 PM, April 12

14:06 schestowitz-TR; all the posts are fully restore now

14:06 schestowitz-TR; the url scheme unchanges

14:06 schestowitz-TR; and no errors detected

14:06 schestowitz-TR; I will now add the comments

14:06 schestowitz-TR; i am going to set remote DB backups to 17:12 and then test\

14:06 schestowitz-TR; I think, given a number os improper dumps, we did demonstrate

14:06 schestowitz-TR; that we have some resileience

14:06 schestowitz-TR; the new DB dumps will hopefully be good

14:06 schestowitz-TR; testing in a few mins

14:06 schestowitz-TR; the microsoft corruption post that went bad before

14:06 schestowitz-TR; it's working OK again

14:06 schestowitz-TR; along with another that gave me errors

14:15 schestowitz-TR; running backup, having added all the comments

14:16 schestowitz-TR; dumping across the network, I will later hunzip it

14:16 Techrights-sec; ack

14:16 Techrights-sec; excellent

14:16 Techrights-sec; ack

14:20 schestowitz-TR; ok, the dump is learn, 385mb in size

14:20 schestowitz-TR; but that is possible if during the import it omits

14:20 schestowitz-TR; some 'cruft' like caches

14:20 schestowitz-TR; so I expect it to grow each day

14:20 schestowitz-TR; it is 1.57gb when uncompressed

14:20 schestowitz-TR; running head and tail on it

14:20 schestowitz-TR; this looss OK

14:20 schestowitz-TR; faint memory tells me this deflation in size is quite

14:20 schestowitz-TR; normal when you export and then import afresh

14:20 schestowitz-TR; but you should expect it to build up over time, fast

14:21 schestowitz-TR; I mean both the gz and dump are a los smaller now

14:21 schestowitz-TR; but I see no errors in the site

14:21 schestowitz-TR; or in the files

14:21 schestowitz-TR; or from programs

14:21 Techrights-sec; ack

14:21 Techrights-sec; caches ought not be in the backups

14:21 Techrights-sec; text compresses a lot

14:21 Techrights-sec; so if the dumps are text, they will be quite small after comptression

14:21 Techrights-sec; ok

14:24 schestowitz-TR; I have removed the unwanted DBs from TM and from TR, leaving the bad 1104 and 104 in there but we can avoid them

14:24 Techrights-sec; ok

14:24 schestowitz-TR; thanks for all the help! I'll keep chasing kaniini and rianne will not post links

14:25 schestowitz-TR; while I deal with Daily Links, using their newe format

14:25 Techrights-sec; np

14:36 schestowitz-TR; I've just noticed an issue with the interleave changed

14:36 schestowitz-TR; they cull out the closign</p> and closing </li>

14:36 schestowitz-TR; yes, that's the one

14:36 Techrights-sec; checking

14:36 Techrights-sec; add-lines-for-irc.pl ?

14:36 Techrights-sec; yes, I see it. Looking.

14:56 Techrights-sec; try Gut

14:56 Techrights-sec; ^Git

14:57 schestowitz-TR; excellent, this seems to have fixed it!!rianne says thanks btw, she's back to scanning the news

14:57 schestowitz-TR; TM and TR are closely connected as without TM or without running it it's hard to keep abrease of eventa


3 PM, April 12

15:05 schestowitz-TR; kaniiani says no time this week but "maybe soon"

15:12 schestowitz; xhttps://twitter.com/MikeKelman6/status/1513847271087284225

↺ https://twitter.com/MikeKelman6/status/1513847271087284225

15:12 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/MikeKelman6/status/1513847271087284225

↺ https://twitter.com/MikeKelman6/status/1513847271087284225

15:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MikeKelman6: @schestowitz Tnx dude

15:16 schestowitz; https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://trevligmjukvara.se/

↺ https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://trevligmjukvara.se/

15:16 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-trevligmjukvara-se.translate.goog | Trevlig Mjukvara | Trevlig mjukvara

15:16 schestowitz; =

15:16 schestowitz; old:

15:16 schestowitz; https://www.hourdetroit.com/community/muskrat-dinners-a-tradition-during-lent-downriver/

↺ https://www.hourdetroit.com/community/muskrat-dinners-a-tradition-during-lent-downriver/

15:16 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.hourdetroit.com | Muskrat Dinners a Tradition During Lent Downriver - Hour Detroit Magazine

15:16 schestowitz; =

15:16 schestowitz; https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/mimi-reinhard-typed-schindlers-list-dies-107-84011078

↺ https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/mimi-reinhard-typed-schindlers-list-dies-107-84011078

15:16 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-abcnews.go.com | Mimi Reinhard, who typed up Schindler's list, dies at 107 - ABC News

15:16 schestowitz; =

15:23 schestowitz-TR; "Our once limitless horizon is suddenly contracting" https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/degrowth-movement-economy/

↺ https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/degrowth-movement-economy/

15:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | Shrinking the Economy to Save the World | The Nation

15:23 schestowitz-TR; "EFF's Cindy Cohn and Danny OBrien" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/podcast-episode-making-hope-adam-savage | Gilmore and

↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/podcast-episode-making-hope-adam-savage

15:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Podcast Episode: Making Hope, with Adam Savage | Electronic Frontier Foundation

15:23 schestowitz-TR; Barlow knew better how to run EFF

15:23 schestowitz-TR; Christine Hall's pension must be really bad

15:23 schestowitz-TR; given how she is selling us out

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15:54 Techrights-sec; Wouldn't it be better for Hall to work at a shop? At least some dignity would

15:54 Techrights-sec; be retained and less damage would be done.


4 PM, April 12

16:07 schestowitz-TR; One thing I dislikem about culture (not a US/Raegan thing)

16:07 schestowitz-TR; "look at those educated people; they make fun of us; let's be the opposite of them"

16:08 schestowitz-TR; or

16:08 schestowitz-TR; MBAs/marketing/media: similar, let's lie to piss off those who know the trade

16:17 Techrights-sec; LOL I was just commenting here about some incidents where MBA-types got in the

16:17 Techrights-sec; way without contributing and then nonetheless tried to take full credit for

16:17 Techrights-sec; the success and result.

16:17 Techrights-sec; ^results

16:42 schestowitz-TR; til how to do 'sed' with perl and what /g is for

16:42 schestowitz-TR; very handy as it does cross-line subs

16:42 schestowitz-TR; pushing some changes to git now

16:47 Techrights-sec; nice. I went /many/ years without looking at sed because it was just as

16:47 Techrights-sec; easy (actually easier) as well as more powerful to use a perl one-liner for

16:47 Techrights-sec; the task.

16:47 Techrights-sec; See especially the -i, -n, and -p options in "man perlrun"

16:48 schestowitz-TR; 40 and still learning

16:48 schestowitz-TR; tbh, this week I might not be able to produce manyu articles

16:48 schestowitz-TR; but links or TM or Daily Links are a priority regardless

16:48 schestowitz-TR; and the news looks dire this week

16:48 schestowitz-TR; no "major" thing to cover

16:48 Techrights-sec; yes it gets quieter every month :/

16:50 schestowitz-TR; today I started bombarding "social" again, as it's a lot faster posting there bits that are non-tech

16:50 schestowitz-TR; we'll refine this over time

16:50 schestowitz-TR; I'll keep an eye on backups tonight, in fact expect (checks system clock) TR to pull a DB dump

16:50 schestowitz-TR; from TM in about 90 mins

16:50 schestowitz-TR; tuxmachines is the work of many people, inc. the people whose work is covered

16:50 Techrights-sec; excellent use of the channel

16:50 Techrights-sec; yes

16:56 schestowitz-TR; let the web rot away

16:56 schestowitz-TR; when you search for things like 'novell hovsepian interview'

16:56 schestowitz-TR; we are very visible because other sites perish

16:56 schestowitz-TR; so people can see a more proper angle

16:56 schestowitz-TR; I wonder if a capsule is worth having for TM and, if so, if homed

16:56 schestowitz-TR; in its own domain

16:56 schestowitz-TR; I only have one IP address at home so a subsite for TM would need

16:56 schestowitz-TR; to go on non-1965 port

16:58 Techrights-sec; yes it would probably be rather popular to have a capsule for TM.

16:58 Techrights-sec; It would definitely need its own host name but it need not be on a separate

16:58 Techrights-sec; machine if the OS gets updated. It would be best to keep it on port 1965,

16:58 Techrights-sec; since that is where it is expected, but the OS upgrade is the bottleneck there.

16:58 schestowitz-TR; ah, yes, if it's oin some thing like devuan it can be configured with agate

16:58 schestowitz-TR; and then dns point to it

16:58 Techrights-sec; Yes devuan or any recent distro could handle it no problem. It's just

16:58 Techrights-sec; we have a while before work on TM can start.

16:59 schestowitz-TR; based on the tone there is desire but high workload at work (security company)

16:59 schestowitz-TR; at this moment


5 PM, April 12

17:00 Techrights-sec; not much is needed for proactive security: a list of managers that have

17:00 Techrights-sec; signed off on M$ purchases+deployments and a stout but short length of rebar >:(

17:01 schestowitz-TR; not sure if you noticed, but this past weekend and this week almost no annoying news at all, not even the security FUD

17:01 schestowitz-TR; it's kind of smooth sailing in that regard

17:01 schestowitz-TR; except when I touch the patent FUD

17:02 Techrights-sec; I'm sure something dirty is being cooked up by the microsofters, they are

17:02 Techrights-sec; probably having a convention in DC or something

17:02 Techrights-sec; Remember for many years microsofters and their mouthpieces used to go quiet

17:02 Techrights-sec; once or twice a year and then reappear with new talking points after the

17:02 Techrights-sec; quiet

17:02 schestowitz-TR; i knoew you were about to say this as you had said it before

17:02 schestowitz-TR; but I never saw strong enough evidencw

17:04 Techrights-sec; It was just something obsevered. Though I did see one, long since gone, article

17:04 Techrights-sec; about some "training" or somesuch which most of them were at. Given

17:04 Techrights-sec; M$ style, it is almost certainly hidden behind NDAs, even its existence

17:09 schestowitz-TR; you know, when we started the 2020 gates articles I dared not say what some l00ns on Twitter said

17:09 schestowitz-TR; because evidence was it was weak

17:09 schestowitz-TR; openeing up to labels like "crank" and "conspiracy"

17:09 schestowitz-TR; however, in 2021 several things happened that suggest it's no longer outlandish

17:09 schestowitz-TR; and deep inside people feel that way

17:09 schestowitz-TR; so perception have changed profoundly

17:09 schestowitz-TR; I rarely hear his name anymore

17:09 schestowitz-TR; now it's the south african with the big mouth

17:10 Techrights-sec; evidence is essential when writing posts

17:10 Techrights-sec; a method which would work would be open source intelligence (which is unrelated

17:10 Techrights-sec; to open source software) However, I'm not sure how to explain it though

17:10 Techrights-sec; I have tried several times.

17:10 Techrights-sec; Maybe there is a clear book on it. With it, you can assemble many crumbs into

17:10 Techrights-sec; actual evidence.

17:10 schestowitz-TR; btw, rms talks tomorrow

17:10 schestowitz-TR; he was partly canceled

17:11 schestowitz-TR; same for gates

17:11 Techrights-sec; Where will RMS talk and what is the URL for the stream?

17:11 schestowitz-TR; fsf.org RE-posted, twice, the calendar item last night

17:25 schestowitz-TR; > "Twitter labeled his account as being Russia state-affiliated media." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/uk-politician-who-

↺ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/uk-politician-who-

17:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-UK Politician Who Had Shows On Russian TV Channel Threatens To Sue Twitter For Noting His Connections To Russian Media | Techdirt

17:25 schestowitz-TR; had-shows-on-russian-tv-channel-threatens-to-sue-twitter-for-noting-his-connections-to-russian-media/ | Source: Techdirt, WTH??

17:25 schestowitz-TR; RMS was a guest a few times

17:25 schestowitz-TR; Corbyn was on Press TV (Tahran)

17:25 schestowitz-TR; one apparance and you're fried

17:26 schestowitz-TR; "The hedge fund Alden Global Capital is notorious for plundering newspapers, relentlessly creating news deserts and ghost papers." https://fair.org/home/documenting-the-struggle-against-a-hedge-fund-stripping-journalism-for-parts/

↺ https://fair.org/home/documenting-the-struggle-against-a-hedge-fund-stripping-journalism-for-parts/

17:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fair.org | Documenting the Struggle Against a Hedge Fund Stripping Journalism for Parts - FAIR

17:36 schestowitz-TR; "Reagan and Biden" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/12/the-reagan-and-biden-booms/

↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/12/the-reagan-and-biden-booms/

17:36 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Reagan and Biden Booms - CounterPunch.org

17:36 Techrights-sec; "news desert" is an apt term

17:38 schestowitz-TR; " The media were happy to completely ignore the reality of declining real wages throughout the Reagan era "

17:38 Techrights-sec; " The media were happy to completely ignore the reality of declining real wages throughout the Reagan era "

17:39 schestowitz-TR; my salary now is a little lower, in absolute terms, than when I first joined

17:39 schestowitz-TR; That's OK, just don't expect me to work much :-)

17:41 Techrights-sec; :/

17:43 schestowitz-TR; when you work from home you can adjust your hourly pay

17:43 schestowitz-TR; nowadays, a lot if just automated

17:43 schestowitz-TR; and so I have many screens and computers

17:43 schestowitz-TR; rianne has them too

17:43 schestowitz-TR; so she 'babysits the elephants' (videos) while rasp400 does the job

17:44 Techrights-sec; :)

17:44 Techrights-sec; The media were happy to completely ignore the reality of declining real wage^W^W

17:44 Techrights-sec; http://www.lanet.lv/users/judrups/Humor/canoneleph.html

↺ http://www.lanet.lv/users/judrups/Humor/canoneleph.html

17:44 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.lanet.lv | Canonical List Of Elephant Jokes

17:45 schestowitz-TR; gafam workers that I know (+intel) are forced back into their cages

17:45 schestowitz-TR; because "job" something

17:45 schestowitz-TR; and "jab" something

17:45 schestowitz-TR; they will never be able to use that money to compensate for it

17:47 Techrights-sec; The stupidest part about the reduction of jobs via automation is that it is

17:47 Techrights-sec; complete corruption of the purpose of computers as a tool to be a force

17:47 Techrights-sec; multiplier. Imagine if M$ were not in the way and if computers were used

17:47 Techrights-sec; to amplify people's abilities and output.

17:47 schestowitz-TR; they say companies will automate jobs and remove workers

17:47 schestowitz-TR; but workers can also automate their own jobs without telling companies

17:49 schestowitz-TR; that's what news and syndication do for us

17:49 Techrights-sec; yes

17:50 schestowitz-TR; social channel busy today, and it's nearly as fast to post there as it is to read and study the news

17:50 Techrights-sec; good if it draws the off-topic material out of the main channel

17:52 schestowitz-TR; sometiues spare links can be 'weaponised' to change the subject back to tech without saying as much

17:52 schestowitz-TR; it changes focus and doesn't admonish anyone

17:52 schestowitz-TR; in half an hour I will start catching up with tech news

17:52 schestowitz-TR; if I finish by 10pm, I can do articles too

17:52 schestowitz-TR; but I realised after the TM ordeal just having the "darn thing" online is good enough

17:52 schestowitz-TR; I did not sleep well

17:52 schestowitz-TR; and did not tell rianne why until she made breakfast

17:52 schestowitz-TR; as that would ruin hers, too

17:57 Techrights-sec; ack


7 PM, April 12

19:19 schestowitz-TR; hours ago it was a lot smaller

19:19 schestowitz-TR; so drupalo cache is buiulding up already

19:19 schestowitz-TR; the siter runs nicely

19:19 schestowitz-TR; and I populate it with stories, still lots to catch up with

19:19 schestowitz-TR; I'm tired and rianne will help overnight

19:21 Techrights-sec; excellent, backups tested and site running.

19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:53] <schestowitz-TR> hmmm... our gemini proxy is offline

19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:53] <schestowitz-TR> fixing...

19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:53] <schestowitz-TR> first this this happens, since it started 2 months ago

19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:56] <schestowitz-TR> fixed

19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:56] <schestowitz-TR> need sleep now, back in a few, it's a long nap

19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:56] <schestowitz-TR> I'm on shift tonight :/

19:58 schestowitz-TR; I tried nginx restart

19:58 schestowitz-TR; no effect

19:58 schestowitz-TR; then gemini-proxy

19:58 schestowitz-TR; took like 1.5 minutes to restart

19:59 schestowitz-TR; and gradually recovereed

19:59 schestowitz-TR; no lack of system resources observed

19:59 schestowitz-TR; but anyway. shring in case it happens agaion

19:59 schestowitz-TR; it wa returning error 503 for all requests


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