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01:27 schestowitz-TR; [00:48] <techrights-news> Years ago FOSS Force spoke about the corruption of Linux Foundation. Now, after getting money from Linux
01:27 schestowitz-TR; Foundation, it does puff pieces for the corrupt Linux Foundation. SJVN effect. https://fossforce.com/2022/04/protecting-open-sour
01:27 schestowitz-TR; ce-security-as-cold-war-turns-hot/
01:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fossforce.com | OpenSSF Protects Open Source Security as Cold War Turns Hot- FOSS Force
01:27 schestowitz-TR; do not restart tuxmachines or anything, I work on its DB. As I worried, it was in a poor state, this may take a while
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04:33 schestowitz-TR; gm
04:33 schestowitz-TR; no hurry
04:33 schestowitz-TR; let's start with, is it ok to leave channel settings for wifi as is?
04:33 schestowitz-TR; it 'felt' faster' after changing that AND finding the culprit
04:34 Techrights-sec; ack
04:34 Techrights-sec; gm
04:34 Techrights-sec; ok
04:34 Techrights-sec; probably. checking
04:34 Techrights-sec; I don't see any overlapping channels but a whole bunch of them have all changed
04:34 Techrights-sec; at the same time. that might be part of the problem
04:35 schestowitz-TR; I see
04:35 schestowitz-TR; anyway, it was not the problem in our case
04:35 schestowitz-TR; but I will leave wifi like that
04:35 schestowitz-TR; it 'felt' like latency came down a bit
04:37 schestowitz-TR; so, about tuxmachines, at the moment I try a bunch of tools to fix the records
04:37 schestowitz-TR; but just in case we can also restore from sunday morning backup, then I can manually re-add all the node
04:37 schestowitz-TR; but I want to take advantage of this situation to just change the OS
04:37 schestowitz-TR; you can see in irc scrollback stuff related to this
04:37 schestowitz-TR; I also sent email
04:38 Techrights-sec; ok
04:38 Techrights-sec; yes, I saw the e-mail and skimmed through it. There were quite a few log
04:38 Techrights-sec; entries warning of repair
04:38 Techrights-sec; needed
04:40 schestowitz-TR; this is at the very least educational to me
04:40 schestowitz-TR; I am not stressed as we can get it orking again, we had worse downtimes too
04:40 schestowitz-TR; it has just finished doing recovery that took 15 minutes with a tool
04:40 schestowitz-TR; but I see that too resulted in no solution
04:40 schestowitz-TR; I want to try another tool, I've not yet received a reply from kaniia
04:40 schestowitz-TR; I'm certain that means afk
04:43 Techrights-sec; there are mysqldup gzip'ed files for each day, if that helps
04:43 Techrights-sec; mysqldump
04:46 schestowitz-TR; yes, we have 4 for sunday and monday
04:47 schestowitz-TR; I made some copies of dumps
04:47 schestowitz-TR; thje current DB works well if you are logged in
04:47 schestowitz-TR; this is an issue we had at least twice about 4 years ago
04:47 schestowitz-TR; same symptoms, same outcome
04:47 schestowitz-TR; but really we need to move to a better system
04:47 schestowitz-TR; xrevan has explained that the storage engine used at least for some of the tables is veru bad
04:47 schestowitz-TR; innodb should be used universally
04:47 schestowitz-TR; this, I think, explains why kaniini struggled to move this DB to the dedicated DB container
04:47 Techrights-sec; ack
04:47 Techrights-sec; I thought it was innodb there all the way through?
04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> psydruid: just throwing out there this remark, ymmv
04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> techdirt moved to wordpress last month
04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> they were anxious to migrate
04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> not sure what they used before
04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> techdirt goes back to the 1990s
04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:57] <schestowitz-TR> running sites for this long is very hard, without "overhaul", as technology changes far too fast
04:50 schestowitz-TR; [03:58] <schestowitz-TR> php may not work after a version bump, OSes deprecate support for "old" things, some projects get abandon
04:50 schestowitz-TR; ed, so no security fixes
04:50 schestowitz-TR; tuxmachines goes all the way to 2004
04:50 schestowitz-TR; there's tons of material there long lost from the web
04:50 schestowitz-TR; the urls it links to can be recovered from IA
04:50 schestowitz-TR; susan left his life's work with us
04:50 schestowitz-TR; with challenges that her ex, texstar, was able to tackle
04:50 schestowitz-TR; but not her
04:51 Techrights-sec; yes
04:51 Techrights-sec; not everything is (still) in the IA though
04:55 schestowitz-TR; IA is just a backup plan, but not dependable
04:55 schestowitz-TR; for research etc.
04:55 schestowitz-TR; most people focus on the present, not the distant past
04:55 schestowitz-TR; and then there are revisionists, who should be confroned
04:55 schestowitz-TR; without evidence from the past it's easier to lie about the past
04:55 schestowitz-TR; there are museums made to ensure this does not happen
04:55 schestowitz-TR; "bush was right to liberate afghanistan"
04:55 schestowitz-TR; "thatcher was misunderstood"
04:59 Techrights-sec; I wonder if there is already a plugin which adds parallel links to the IA
04:59 Techrights-sec; some projects, like Ubuntu, expend effort to delete their archives and to
04:59 Techrights-sec; erase what could have been preserved in an organized fashion with less effort
04:59 Techrights-sec; Yes, being able to lie about the past as M$ does is one of the "advantages" of
04:59 Techrights-sec; having no records of the past anywhere
04:59 Techrights-sec; "reagan did not sow the seeds of destruction which would ultimately bring down
04:59 Techrights-sec; the nation"
04:59 Techrights-sec; Reagan undid the educational system in the US and that is by far the most
04:59 Techrights-sec; harmful act so far when considered in the long term. Ultimately the populace
04:59 Techrights-sec; loses the knowledge needed to govern itself and even retain an operational
04:59 Techrights-sec; economy. The Soviets who arranged for him to do that would be laughing if they
04:59 Techrights-sec; would have been still around,
04:59 schestowitz-TR; US capital got funneled into very few hands in the course of several decades
04:59 schestowitz-TR; and then bought the media, "charter" schools etc.
04:59 schestowitz-TR; so we're meant to delebrate this
04:59 schestowitz-TR; poor folks struggling to maintain a site while the oligarchs buy papers, twitter,
04:59 schestowitz-TR; and reputatyion-laundering PR firms
05:00 Techrights-sec; That too
05:00 Techrights-sec; yes. the gratuitious complexity which has entered most projects contributes to
05:00 Techrights-sec; the difficulty in operating a site.
05:00 Techrights-sec; backing up TR now
05:02 schestowitz-TR; operating soites is a multi-faceted thing
05:02 schestowitz-TR; as groklaw shows
05:02 schestowitz-TR; writing articles is one aspect
05:02 schestowitz-TR; at work we help some who write about human rights
05:02 schestowitz-TR; but who struggle with the technical side
05:02 schestowitz-TR; let aside preservation
05:02 schestowitz-TR; so writing "for free" is hard
05:02 schestowitz-TR; blogspot will vanish
05:02 schestowitz-TR; you need a host
05:02 schestowitz-TR; and then you need maintainers
05:02 schestowitz-TR; that's why so many "news" sites are now offline
05:02 schestowitz-TR; keeping a sysadmin for $50,000 a year was not worth the gains
05:03 Techrights-sec; It only gets complex when you add the ability to comment. That requires both
05:03 Techrights-sec; a database and moderators. Just posting articles only (on the technology side)
05:03 Techrights-sec; requires a static site generator.
05:05 schestowitz-TR; last MyISAM recovery attempt will finished in about 2 minutes
05:05 schestowitz-TR; after so many scans and repairs I would not even trust its state
05:06 schestowitz-TR; even if it "worked" again
05:06 schestowitz-TR; Sunday morning at 5am was the last "trustworthy" state and I can add the missing node and comments
05:06 schestowitz-TR; in the right order within an hour
05:06 schestowitz-TR; but that would not solve the OS issue, so we might wait
05:06 Techrights-sec; yes, most activities require at least a 25% FTE administrator
05:06 Techrights-sec; right, I hope there is the opportunity to migrate now
05:10 schestowitz-TR; as expected, that last attempt did not solve the issue either
05:10 schestowitz-TR; but to be honest, even if it did, given our experience with similar
05:10 schestowitz-TR; situations 4 or so years ago, I would revert back to an old site state
05:10 schestowitz-TR; with the old password and settings
05:10 schestowitz-TR; but I do wonder if we can, without bothering kaniini configure the DB software to run OK
05:10 schestowitz-TR; with this tuxmachines DB
05:10 schestowitz-TR; maybe some distros keep older, long-term DB versions
05:10 Techrights-sec; can the site be set to use innodb during that process?
05:15 schestowitz-TR; according to xrevan it is not so simple
05:15 schestowitz-TR; I imagine that legacy drupal (maybe 4 or 5) used that old storage engine
05:15 schestowitz-TR; which trotted forward
05:15 schestowitz-TR; to avoid ending up like joindiaspora we need to move to a more robusst DB
05:15 schestowitz-TR; but some DB conversion tools I saw online are no longer maintained
05:15 schestowitz-TR; one extreme approach (VERY EXTREME, bear with me, I don't mean that seriously)
05:15 schestowitz-TR; is to scrape all the pages for 162,000 nodes and make static pages for each
05:15 schestowitz-TR; this is tricky for many reasons, but that's not the point
05:15 schestowitz-TR; and then, using the same URL for RSS feed
05:15 schestowitz-TR; you start afresh with a better or more "modern" stack
05:15 schestowitz-TR; modern does not mean better
05:15 schestowitz-TR; I would rather stay with the same CMS of course, which we can do, but I want to
05:15 schestowitz-TR; push the OS back to the present
05:15 schestowitz-TR; I've just checked again. no reply from kaniini
05:16 Techrights-sec; I would think that the dump could be without the createtables parts and the
05:16 Techrights-sec; creation done manually then import just the data from the dumps
05:16 Techrights-sec; :/
05:16 Techrights-sec; That would take weeks
05:16 Techrights-sec; and be error prone
05:16 Techrights-sec; modern often means unnecessarily complex and bloated
05:16 Techrights-sec; yes that sounds like a good idea
05:16 Techrights-sec; ack
05:16 Techrights-sec; just backed up Git too; that could be automated
05:19 schestowitz-TR; for irc, the sole purpose of a backup now is new registered users I think
05:19 schestowitz-TR; the rest stays the same
05:20 schestowitz-TR; going from the dumbs is, afaic remember, what we did the last time, when
05:20 schestowitz-TR; we moved DBs outwards
05:20 schestowitz-TR; that seemed to work at first
05:20 schestowitz-TR; but then as soon as you post something the same thing would happedn as happened past midnight
05:20 Techrights-sec; I have no backup of IRC
05:23 schestowitz-TR; one thing def. worth trying is, use a reject tm backup dump
05:23 schestowitz-TR; does not have to be recent (i.e. broken)
05:23 schestowitz-TR; load that into localghost in a laptop
05:23 schestowitz-TR; and then try to see if the OS handles it OK
05:23 schestowitz-TR; when new nodes are added
05:23 schestowitz-TR; this way we can even make a ready system to deploy
05:24 Techrights-sec; yes
05:24 Techrights-sec; which distro?
05:24 schestowitz-TR; I was just thinking the same
05:24 schestowitz-TR; maybe something not too modern
05:24 schestowitz-TR; but with legacy php and mysql/mariadb
05:24 Techrights-sec; ubuntu lts?
05:27 schestowitz-TR; yes, that might work
05:27 schestowitz-TR; if the backup import (techrights has many dumps under ~archives)
05:27 schestowitz-TR; is out of date, it can later be brought up to data
05:27 schestowitz-TR; the hard part will be seeing if new stories can be added without the DB
05:27 schestowitz-TR; getting all worked up
05:27 schestowitz-TR; this is not a new "challenge"
05:27 schestowitz-TR; it's something that just had us go "fuck it"
05:27 schestowitz-TR; "let's leave that for another day"
05:27 schestowitz-TR; the db host was alpine afaik
05:27 schestowitz-TR; the centos os tuxmachines has sysctl
05:27 schestowitz-TR; alpine is... different
05:28 Techrights-sec; ack
05:28 Techrights-sec; alpine is ok
05:31 schestowitz-TR; remember that tuxmachines was imported into centos in 2013 from a DEBIAN
05:32 schestowitz-TR; box
05:32 schestowitz-TR; hence, the files, ALL THE FILES, are under /var
05:32 schestowitz-TR; /home and /root are just a bunch of junk, the settings for apache are
05:32 schestowitz-TR; in the usual place
05:32 schestowitz-TR; using a local install of it, extracting gemtext by going through ~/node/1 upwards
05:32 schestowitz-TR; would not be too hard
05:32 schestowitz-TR; it might even be worth doing as it's vastly easier than mediawiki or wordpress
05:32 schestowitz-TR; and then serve as a static record with canonical form
05:32 Techrights-sec; following a rolling release distro would require occasional cleanups
05:32 Techrights-sec; followign an LT distro would require major work periodically but spaced much
05:32 Techrights-sec; further apart temporarly
05:32 Techrights-sec; So the old records would be static?
05:34 schestowitz-TR; I meant, if we get this running also on a laptop, then running a program to cycle
05:34 schestowitz-TR; through nodes 1-162,000... and then get the body of that would be simple, e.g.
05:34 schestowitz-TR; to make gemtext pages for each
05:34 schestowitz-TR; the pi can even serve those with the existing proxy, we have lots of space
05:34 Techrights-sec; I could set up devuan temporarily on a spare device for a while.
05:34 Techrights-sec; It could be accessible via SSH. The web aspect would have to be tunneled over
05:34 Techrights-sec; SSH
05:40 schestowitz-TR; that would be excellent.
05:40 schestowitz-TR; asa I said, apache under /etc and /var with the rest, all that's needed then it DB import
05:40 schestowitz-TR; and pointing to localhost
05:40 schestowitz-TR; the scary part is adding a new node
05:40 schestowitz-TR; when we tried that with alpine it was not happy, rianne does not yet know about the site
05:40 schestowitz-TR; bbut she knows we epent a lot of time investigation
05:40 schestowitz-TR; we're very committed to that site and need the upgrade
05:40 schestowitz-TR; "modern" means bloat, and while it might work this year and next year and maybe another year
05:40 schestowitz-TR; that exponentially becomes expensive to maintain
05:40 schestowitz-TR; diasoora is dying, jusging by steep deceline in active users
05:40 schestowitz-TR; mastodon is the next identica
05:40 schestowitz-TR; distro.toot and drew devault would not bother snymore
05:40 schestowitz-TR; mastodon, like diaspora, need to keep huge DBs and stuff, even for just a few users
05:40 schestowitz-TR; the concept is OK, but blogs with RSS are better
05:40 schestowitz-TR; dogg.com died partly due to technical debt
05:40 schestowitz-TR; it was poorly coded with mysql iirc
05:40 schestowitz-TR; and they needed to do major overhauls just for the site to keep going
05:42 Techrights-sec; mastodon requires a *tremendous* amount of overhead for very little result
05:42 Techrights-sec; and then on top of that there is the javascript
05:42 schestowitz-TR; at one point, iirc, they would hide the comments by default
05:42 schestowitz-TR; those were computationallly expensive, e.g. checking for each of your "friends"
05:42 schestowitz-TR; if they were related to any of the comments displayed
05:42 schestowitz-TR; nice "feature", but huige overhead
05:45 Techrights-sec; ack
05:52 schestowitz-TR; speaking in the abstract
05:52 schestowitz-TR; onm coffe, not drunk
05:52 schestowitz-TR; there is a sea of change for the net/web
05:52 schestowitz-TR; for a number or reasons we both know about
05:52 schestowitz-TR; those who managed to stay afloat will eat those who perish
05:52 schestowitz-TR; cnx added a TOOOOOOON oif bloat
05:52 schestowitz-TR; that's why his site went offline like 3 times in a week
05:52 schestowitz-TR; he ran afoul of rules biolated by the crap he had added
05:52 schestowitz-TR; yesterday I thought about the fast agging of "apps"
05:52 schestowitz-TR; of lxer being offline for like 3 days
05:52 schestowitz-TR; social media is collapsing
05:52 schestowitz-TR; FB even admits it
05:52 schestowitz-TR; I see it for myself, not just my account by others', like glynmoody
05:52 schestowitz-TR; 'free' video hosting
05:52 schestowitz-TR; and another thing I was gonna mention but forgot (it was not that iumportant anyway, and this is informal chat)
05:52 schestowitz-TR; I forgot, cannot remember, pressing on
05:52 schestowitz-TR; techrights has debt, same for all old sites
05:52 schestowitz-TR; techdirt is one example
05:52 schestowitz-TR; ipwatchtroll is antoehr
05:52 schestowitz-TR; the editor left, not they try to hide the lack of visitors/comments
05:52 schestowitz-TR; phoronis is plastered together
05:52 schestowitz-TR; several "overhauls" over theyears
05:52 schestowitz-TR; maybe what I wanted to say though, a lot of history will be accessible through those
05:52 schestowitz-TR; more capable of staying online longer, and on a shoestring budget
05:52 Techrights-sec; http/3 is an ummitigated disaster and will cut out all the small shops which
05:52 Techrights-sec; happen to remain
05:52 Techrights-sec; ack
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05:57 schestowitz-TR; also CAs and TLS, imposed by btoewdwser
05:57 schestowitz-TR; maybew this is the intention, to crush the smal
05:57 schestowitz-TR; because you cannot just leave it there alone, you have to routinely renew things
05:57 schestowitz-TR; and then top-level CAs go out of existence
05:57 schestowitz-TR; taking out older devices from the Web
05:57 schestowitz-TR; so you need to buy new TV/phone
05:57 schestowitz-TR; it still feels like yesterday's Internet self-nuke resulted for me in a
05:57 schestowitz-TR; connection with lower latency
05:57 schestowitz-TR; I did not measure anything, but it feels like it
05:57 schestowitz-TR; if Sunday's TM deterioration (caused by nothing in particular|) results in a gemini capsule for it
05:57 schestowitz-TR; and a more modern OS, then maybe it's for the better
05:57 schestowitz-TR; the point I was mking earlier when the head became overloaded with example is,
05:57 schestowitz-TR; the longevity of tech in general (online and offline) is nder attack
05:57 schestowitz-TR; to be clear, techdirt did not move to wordpress
05:57 schestowitz-TR; it moved to wordpress.com
05:57 schestowitz-TR; they do censorship and other stuff
05:57 schestowitz-TR; so their resolution to techniacal debt was running into a trap
05:57 schestowitz-TR; that they cannot get out of
05:58 Techrights-sec; :/
05:58 Techrights-sec; that was a disadvantageous decision for techdirt to make
06:00 schestowitz-TR; I mentioned this to him in Twitter
06:00 schestowitz-TR; (to Mike)
06:00 schestowitz-TR; I was one of the first dozen in that pplatform
06:00 schestowitz-TR; like drupal, hosting is their business model
06:00 schestowitz-TR; when pressed over things techdirt published
06:00 schestowitz-TR; it would be matt mulleneg et al and their lawyers deciding
06:00 schestowitz-TR; not mmasnick's lawyers
06:00 schestowitz-TR; and you do know they have many enemies
06:00 schestowitz-TR; it's like github, but for journalism
06:00 schestowitz-TR; when I was in berlin wordpress.com suspended my account
06:00 schestowitz-TR; I was their beta tester!
06:00 schestowitz-TR; then they accepted it was in error
06:00 schestowitz-TR; but they never asked me or notificed me
06:01 schestowitz-TR; mike's enemies can do to him now what shiva ayadurai did to joindiaspora
06:01 schestowitz-TR; or diasporta
06:01 schestowitz-TR; lukas did delete that past after charles harder had sent the latter
06:02 Techrights-sec; interesting so they have an anti-FOSS agenda from early on
06:03 schestowitz-TR; no, wordpress is that ios what you mean gives the source code as GPL
06:03 schestowitz-TR; never mind the crappy non-GPL stuff they add to wordpress
06:03 schestowitz-TR; (and which I oppose, some of it came from facebook)
06:03 schestowitz-TR; but the hosting is a service they tell
06:04 schestowitz-TR; while I suppose keeping incentive to use the hosting
06:04 schestowitz-TR; like drupal's company
06:04 schestowitz-TR; by increasing the underlying complexity
06:04 schestowitz-TR; some of the recent security fixes in wordpress are for plugins and bloat they added later on
06:04 schestowitz-TR; those contribute to the attack surface
06:04 schestowitz-TR; so newer does not always mean safer
06:12 schestowitz-TR; ---
06:12 schestowitz-TR; key for test setup?
06:12 schestowitz-TR; oh, one thing mentioned in irc was https for tuxmachines
06:12 schestowitz-TR; tbere were some missing packages needed for certbot before
06:24 schestowitz-TR; going to take a nap, no word back from kaniini yet
06:24 schestowitz-TR; btw, galler at tuxmachines uses external db
06:24 schestowitz-TR; which is specified in the config file
06:24 schestowitz-TR; *Gallery2
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09:33 schestowitz-TR; no reply yet from kaniini
09:33 schestowitz-TR; I am connected to the server now
09:38 schestowitz-TR; I can see techrights on it
09:38 schestowitz-TR; and version bookworm/sid, devuan deadalus/ceres
09:38 schestowitz-TR; I think it would help to test tuxmachines for DB compatibility
09:38 schestowitz-TR; do you deem it a good idea to host both sites on the same VM?
09:38 schestowitz-TR; while possible, they share IP address, I think
09:38 schestowitz-TR; also, techrights migration is a very big job and less urgent
09:38 schestowitz-TR; should I, in the meanwtime , restore TM from a good backup and add the missing nodes?
09:38 schestowitz-TR; seeing that kaniini is not likely to respond today?
09:41 Techrights-sec; yes rsyncing stuff to /var/www/techrights.org/*
09:41 Techrights-sec; it'll take a while longer before the files are there
09:41 Techrights-sec; I
09:41 Techrights-sec; I'm not sure. It'd make it easier to move them separately if they are each
09:41 Techrights-sec; in their own VM
09:41 Techrights-sec; perhaps. how long would it take to do the restoration and how much inconvenience would it be to do that work and would it ease th
09:41 Techrights-sec; e migration?
09:45 schestowitz-TR; restoring old DEB is fast
09:45 schestowitz-TR; what would take less than an hour is manually copying nodes from the new to old
09:45 schestowitz-TR; the latter would need to be done either way, eventually
09:45 schestowitz-TR; thoughts?>
09:46 Techrights-sec; ack
09:46 Techrights-sec; I guess it nees to be done then
09:46 schestowitz-TR; I will start now
09:46 schestowitz-TR; won't be fun, but this should work OK
09:46 Techrights-sec; ack
09:51 schestowitz-TR; the file I will restore the DB from is not in the homedir of tuxmachines
09:51 schestowitz-TR; but first I will put the service back up and copy across from current copy
09:51 schestowitz-TR; the diffs
09:51 schestowitz-TR; eta 1 hour
10:45 schestowitz-TR; extracting posts since Sunday midnigth done
10:45 schestowitz-TR; next: comments
10:45 schestowitz-TR; after that: db restore
10:45 schestowitz-TR; then restore posts
10:45 Techrights-sec; (still syncing videos and such here)
10:45 Techrights-sec; np
10:45 schestowitz-TR; then restore comments
10:45 schestowitz-TR; thanks for helping!
11:14 schestowitz-TR; done comment extraction
11:14 schestowitz-TR; wtf?
11:14 schestowitz-TR; I can gunzip the 09042022 dump OK
11:14 schestowitz-TR; but the one of 10042022 says
11:14 schestowitz-TR; invalid compressedm data--crc error
11:14 schestowitz-TR; no, on live TM or live TR
11:14 schestowitz-TR; for the tuxmachines dump
11:14 schestowitz-TR; I first failed to gunziup it on tm, after copying it from tr archives
11:14 schestowitz-TR; then I tried on TR, same outcome
11:14 schestowitz-TR; I check the 9th April file just to go phew!
11:14 schestowitz-TR; no
11:14 schestowitz-TR; 9 works
11:14 schestowitz-TR; wait, can you uncompress tm-db-2022-0410.dump.gz OK on your own machines?
11:14 schestowitz-TR; because on the server it fails
11:16 Techrights-sec; ack
11:16 Techrights-sec; on the test machine?
11:16 Techrights-sec; ??
11:16 Techrights-sec; strange, the gzip takes place on TR after fetching the dump from TM
11:16 Techrights-sec; 2022-04-09 failed too
11:16 Techrights-sec; tm-db-20220410.dump.gz on TR seems ok so far maybe it did not get copied back
11:16 Techrights-sec; to TM ok
11:16 Techrights-sec; checking
11:16 Techrights-sec; it gunzips ok on the backup drive but I do not have it copied to the beta machine ye
11:16 Techrights-sec; yet
11:20 schestowitz-TR; what is the size of ther the resultant file? should be around 1.84gb
11:20 schestowitz-TR; on the TR server that file is 472MB
11:20 schestowitz-TR; for the 11th it sank to 452MB
11:20 schestowitz-TR; maybe you run another commeand?
11:20 schestowitz-TR; I just gunzip file
11:20 schestowitz-TR; can you uncompress the file on TR for me? just to be sure no error seen?
11:20 schestowitz-TR; Then I will rsync it across to TM (takes seconds)
11:21 Techrights-sec; 451M
11:21 Techrights-sec; 1a589ecf2f578d49c5e71fb8fcdd4ea30723033d7bf39e3c9ca9155861f9b8f9 tm-db-20220410.dump.gz
11:21 Techrights-sec; SHA256 checksum
11:21 Techrights-sec; checksum matches for the gzipped file on both TR and here
11:21 Techrights-sec; Yes, I see
11:21 Techrights-sec; gunip -c
11:21 Techrights-sec; to leave the file untouched and then redirect somewhere
11:21 Techrights-sec; ok
11:23 Techrights-sec; /tmp/tm-db-20220410.dump
11:23 schestowitz-TR; it says 67mb
11:25 schestowitz-TR; the one for 9th, as you can see, is bigger
11:25 Techrights-sec; yes 1.8G in /tmp/
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11:30 Techrights-sec; maybe something happened well before the backup on the 10th but after the 9th?
11:31 schestowitz-TR; this backup was taken about 5 hours before the incident, the 9th is 29 hours
11:31 schestowitz-TR; but either way, gzip ought not fail unless there is an issue elsewhere
11:45 schestowitz-TR; I can retrieve posts (not comments) from the 9th too, then restore these also
11:45 schestowitz-TR; a bit scary if some of these backup dumps are not usable, try 8th and 7th
11:45 schestowitz-TR; just to be sure prior ones were OK?
11:45 schestowitz-TR; I am checking system logs for the 10th
11:45 schestowitz-TR; messages (syslog by RH) contains nothing related to these backups
11:45 schestowitz-TR; I think debian logs things for cron jobs
11:45 schestowitz-TR; oh, I think cron is another file
11:45 schestowitz-TR; cron files under /var/log just say that it ran
11:45 schestowitz-TR; do not provide any status or i/o
11:45 schestowitz-TR; the mariadb logs (mysql) on TM shoed nothing major BUT
11:45 schestowitz-TR; prior to the crash there were lots of these warnings we discussed the other day
11:45 schestowitz-TR; did you test the backups of 7th and 8th? if not, I will
11:45 schestowitz-TR; but even a bad dump ought not results in a bad gzip
11:47 Techrights-sec; maybe something happened well before the backup on the 10th but after the 9th?
11:47 Techrights-sec; ack
11:47 Techrights-sec; what about the mariadb log?
11:47 Techrights-sec; the status of cron jobs goes into the mail spool as an e-mail if the task
11:47 Techrights-sec; produced anything on either stdout or stderr
11:47 Techrights-sec; otherwise no records are kept
11:47 Techrights-sec; (if no other logging has been arranged explicitly)
11:58 schestowitz-TR; mailq | grep cron (or zip) produces nothing
11:58 schestowitz-TR; but if we see that 7th, 8th were OK
11:58 schestowitz-TR; also also test the backups after restorting the site
11:58 schestowitz-TR; then I think we should be safe
11:58 schestowitz-TR; I don't mind taking another 24 hours of posts and resorting them by hand
11:58 schestowitz-TR; should I or you test guznip on older tm-backups?
11:58 schestowitz-TR; I've left tmux where it shows a silence between march 8th until april 10th
11:58 schestowitz-TR; it is not very unusual
11:58 schestowitz-TR; on your offsite backups, are the 7th and 8th about 1.8gb in size when deflated?
11:58 schestowitz-TR; if so, I will go ahead and make more copies of another 24 hours
11:58 Techrights-sec; ack
11:58 Techrights-sec; looking
11:58 Techrights-sec; how unusual is that?
11:58 Techrights-sec; That's over a month.
12:04 Techrights-sec; :(
12:04 Techrights-sec; $ gunzip -c tm-db-20220410.dump.gz > /dev/null
12:04 Techrights-sec; gzip: tm-db-20220410.dump.gz: invalid compressed data--crc error
12:04 Techrights-sec; gzip: tm-db-20220410.dump.gz: invalid compressed data--length error
12:04 Techrights-sec; the 9th is the last working backup
12:04 Techrights-sec; ok
12:04 Techrights-sec; 9th is ok
12:04 schestowitz-TR; yes, I know
12:04 schestowitz-TR; but try prior days just to be sure we don't have lots of faolure but only the odd
12:04 schestowitz-TR; one
12:04 schestowitz-TR; IIRC, that was around the time I copied everything over rsync, but that should
12:04 schestowitz-TR; not cause such damage, I don't think...
12:04 schestowitz-TR; I ran rsync with no option, just recursive for the /var/www dir
12:04 Techrights-sec; rsync is read-only in one direction or the other unless it is told to delete
12:04 Techrights-sec; the original after the copy
12:04 Techrights-sec; 8th is ok
12:07 schestowitz-TR; another side benefit here is that we get to test the most important backups: the DBs
12:07 schestowitz-TR; these are, for the site, what matters most
12:07 schestowitz-TR; it doesn't stroe much media or anythingf
12:07 schestowitz-TR; also, drupal table structure is such that givees drupal.nodes
12:07 schestowitz-TR; you can in theory import tham into latest drupal
12:08 Techrights-sec; 8th is ok
12:08 Techrights-sec; 7th uncompresses ok too
12:08 Techrights-sec; yes that is true
12:09 schestowitz-TR; ok, going another 24 hours backwards sounds sane enough to me, assuming problems silence started before the 10th
12:09 schestowitz-TR; I will get nodes and comments for Saturday also, then import the dump of the 9th 5am
12:12 schestowitz-TR; eta 1 hour
12:12 schestowitz-TR; curiously enough I cannot access the node with all the articles about the microsoft bribery
12:12 schestowitz-TR; it's the only such issue I found
12:12 schestowitz-TR; I put it in my notes to check for its integrity after the DB restore
12:15 Techrights-sec; ack
12:16 schestowitz-TR; i now see the same in another node
12:16 schestowitz-TR; my guess is that all my failed recoveries
12:16 schestowitz-TR; damaged some of the older nodes on this
12:16 schestowitz-TR; but we'll have them restored
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12:48 schestowitz-TR; importing db now
12:48 schestowitz-TR; so far no errors shown
12:48 schestowitz-TR; remember tha the upside of this incident is that we test the backups
12:48 schestowitz-TR; for the first time since it was on tessier's servers afaik
12:48 schestowitz-TR; and in the process we'll lose almost no data
12:48 schestowitz-TR; afterwards remind me to test dumpb/backups
12:48 schestowitz-TR; because when we move to the new OS
12:48 schestowitz-TR; we'll use that dump to import the latest
12:48 schestowitz-TR; kaniini has not responded
12:48 schestowitz-TR; so IU assume afak
12:48 schestowitz-TR; *afk
12:48 schestowitz-TR; yes, we will need to clean up a bit afterards
12:48 schestowitz-TR; I will race against the clock
12:48 schestowitz-TR; in case marius or other sneak in a post
12:48 schestowitz-TR; runing the sequence
12:48 schestowitz-TR; and therefore node numbers
12:48 schestowitz-TR; I will restore them with consistency
12:49 Techrights-sec; shall we delete the defective two?
13:32 schestowitz-TR; starting httpd
13:32 schestowitz-TR; ok, lookiung good on the http side
13:32 schestowitz-TR; Now I race against the clock
13:32 schestowitz-TR; i use social control media to ask people not to post anything yet
13:32 schestowitz-TR; eta 60 mins
13:32 schestowitz-TR; saturday restored
13:33 schestowitz-TR; can you space up loal and remote backups so that one dump is around 5pm, not am?
13:33 schestowitz-TR; it would make recovery more robust
13:33 schestowitz-TR; i'm halfway restorting now
13:33 schestowitz-TR; all good so far
13:33 schestowitz-TR; testing the backup/as in dumping when done would also give epace of mind
13:33 schestowitz-TR; can bounce in via tr or change crontab on TR for time?
13:33 schestowitz-TR; I think whether that can cause any issues, other than 5pm being "busy"
13:33 schestowitz-TR; on the current strong hardware it only causes a hang for about 1-2 mins
13:33 schestowitz-TR; TM's DV is the only probematic one of the 5
13:33 schestowitz-TR; we could not put that on apline/mariadb
13:33 schestowitz-TR; hence I was eager to see how devuan copes
13:33 schestowitz-TR; esp. if you add a new node
13:33 schestowitz-TR; as that's when it 'breaks'
13:33 Techrights-sec; ok
13:33 Techrights-sec; excellent
13:33 Techrights-sec; ack
13:33 Techrights-sec; ok
13:33 Techrights-sec; there are two parts, one is the creation of the dump file on TM
13:33 Techrights-sec; the other part is the transfer to TR
13:33 Techrights-sec; I don't have access to TM though due to the kex algorithm being too out of date
13:33 Techrights-sec; for connection.
13:33 Techrights-sec; on TR's side that would be /home/boycottn/bin/fetch-tm-dump.sh
13:34 Techrights-sec; and /home/boycottn/bin/delete-old-tm-dumps-except-mondays.sh
13:34 Techrights-sec; Is TM's database in TM or in the new VM for databases?
13:34 Techrights-sec; IF the latter, then a couple of steps are unnecessary and can be removed from
13:34 Techrights-sec; the work flow.
13:34 Techrights-sec; ok
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14:06 schestowitz-TR; all the posts are fully restore now
14:06 schestowitz-TR; the url scheme unchanges
14:06 schestowitz-TR; and no errors detected
14:06 schestowitz-TR; I will now add the comments
14:06 schestowitz-TR; i am going to set remote DB backups to 17:12 and then test\
14:06 schestowitz-TR; I think, given a number os improper dumps, we did demonstrate
14:06 schestowitz-TR; that we have some resileience
14:06 schestowitz-TR; the new DB dumps will hopefully be good
14:06 schestowitz-TR; testing in a few mins
14:06 schestowitz-TR; the microsoft corruption post that went bad before
14:06 schestowitz-TR; it's working OK again
14:06 schestowitz-TR; along with another that gave me errors
14:15 schestowitz-TR; running backup, having added all the comments
14:16 schestowitz-TR; dumping across the network, I will later hunzip it
14:16 Techrights-sec; ack
14:16 Techrights-sec; excellent
14:16 Techrights-sec; ack
14:20 schestowitz-TR; ok, the dump is learn, 385mb in size
14:20 schestowitz-TR; but that is possible if during the import it omits
14:20 schestowitz-TR; some 'cruft' like caches
14:20 schestowitz-TR; so I expect it to grow each day
14:20 schestowitz-TR; it is 1.57gb when uncompressed
14:20 schestowitz-TR; running head and tail on it
14:20 schestowitz-TR; this looss OK
14:20 schestowitz-TR; faint memory tells me this deflation in size is quite
14:20 schestowitz-TR; normal when you export and then import afresh
14:20 schestowitz-TR; but you should expect it to build up over time, fast
14:21 schestowitz-TR; I mean both the gz and dump are a los smaller now
14:21 schestowitz-TR; but I see no errors in the site
14:21 schestowitz-TR; or in the files
14:21 schestowitz-TR; or from programs
14:21 Techrights-sec; ack
14:21 Techrights-sec; caches ought not be in the backups
14:21 Techrights-sec; text compresses a lot
14:21 Techrights-sec; so if the dumps are text, they will be quite small after comptression
14:21 Techrights-sec; ok
14:24 schestowitz-TR; I have removed the unwanted DBs from TM and from TR, leaving the bad 1104 and 104 in there but we can avoid them
14:24 Techrights-sec; ok
14:24 schestowitz-TR; thanks for all the help! I'll keep chasing kaniini and rianne will not post links
14:25 schestowitz-TR; while I deal with Daily Links, using their newe format
14:25 Techrights-sec; np
14:36 schestowitz-TR; I've just noticed an issue with the interleave changed
14:36 schestowitz-TR; they cull out the closign</p> and closing </li>
14:36 schestowitz-TR; yes, that's the one
14:36 Techrights-sec; checking
14:36 Techrights-sec; add-lines-for-irc.pl ?
14:36 Techrights-sec; yes, I see it. Looking.
14:56 Techrights-sec; try Gut
14:56 Techrights-sec; ^Git
14:57 schestowitz-TR; excellent, this seems to have fixed it!!rianne says thanks btw, she's back to scanning the news
14:57 schestowitz-TR; TM and TR are closely connected as without TM or without running it it's hard to keep abrease of eventa
15:05 schestowitz-TR; kaniiani says no time this week but "maybe soon"
15:12 schestowitz; xhttps://twitter.com/MikeKelman6/status/1513847271087284225
15:12 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/MikeKelman6/status/1513847271087284225
15:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MikeKelman6: @schestowitz Tnx dude
15:16 schestowitz; https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://trevligmjukvara.se/
15:16 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-trevligmjukvara-se.translate.goog | Trevlig Mjukvara | Trevlig mjukvara
15:16 schestowitz; =
15:16 schestowitz; old:
15:16 schestowitz; https://www.hourdetroit.com/community/muskrat-dinners-a-tradition-during-lent-downriver/
15:16 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.hourdetroit.com | Muskrat Dinners a Tradition During Lent Downriver - Hour Detroit Magazine
15:16 schestowitz; =
15:16 schestowitz; https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/mimi-reinhard-typed-schindlers-list-dies-107-84011078
15:16 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-abcnews.go.com | Mimi Reinhard, who typed up Schindler's list, dies at 107 - ABC News
15:16 schestowitz; =
15:23 schestowitz-TR; "Our once limitless horizon is suddenly contracting" https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/degrowth-movement-economy/
15:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | Shrinking the Economy to Save the World | The Nation
15:23 schestowitz-TR; "EFF's Cindy Cohn and Danny OBrien" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/podcast-episode-making-hope-adam-savage | Gilmore and
15:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Podcast Episode: Making Hope, with Adam Savage | Electronic Frontier Foundation
15:23 schestowitz-TR; Barlow knew better how to run EFF
15:23 schestowitz-TR; Christine Hall's pension must be really bad
15:23 schestowitz-TR; given how she is selling us out
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15:54 Techrights-sec; Wouldn't it be better for Hall to work at a shop? At least some dignity would
15:54 Techrights-sec; be retained and less damage would be done.
16:07 schestowitz-TR; One thing I dislikem about culture (not a US/Raegan thing)
16:07 schestowitz-TR; "look at those educated people; they make fun of us; let's be the opposite of them"
16:08 schestowitz-TR; or
16:08 schestowitz-TR; MBAs/marketing/media: similar, let's lie to piss off those who know the trade
16:17 Techrights-sec; LOL I was just commenting here about some incidents where MBA-types got in the
16:17 Techrights-sec; way without contributing and then nonetheless tried to take full credit for
16:17 Techrights-sec; the success and result.
16:17 Techrights-sec; ^results
16:42 schestowitz-TR; til how to do 'sed' with perl and what /g is for
16:42 schestowitz-TR; very handy as it does cross-line subs
16:42 schestowitz-TR; pushing some changes to git now
16:47 Techrights-sec; nice. I went /many/ years without looking at sed because it was just as
16:47 Techrights-sec; easy (actually easier) as well as more powerful to use a perl one-liner for
16:47 Techrights-sec; the task.
16:47 Techrights-sec; See especially the -i, -n, and -p options in "man perlrun"
16:48 schestowitz-TR; 40 and still learning
16:48 schestowitz-TR; tbh, this week I might not be able to produce manyu articles
16:48 schestowitz-TR; but links or TM or Daily Links are a priority regardless
16:48 schestowitz-TR; and the news looks dire this week
16:48 schestowitz-TR; no "major" thing to cover
16:48 Techrights-sec; yes it gets quieter every month :/
16:50 schestowitz-TR; today I started bombarding "social" again, as it's a lot faster posting there bits that are non-tech
16:50 schestowitz-TR; we'll refine this over time
16:50 schestowitz-TR; I'll keep an eye on backups tonight, in fact expect (checks system clock) TR to pull a DB dump
16:50 schestowitz-TR; from TM in about 90 mins
16:50 schestowitz-TR; tuxmachines is the work of many people, inc. the people whose work is covered
16:50 Techrights-sec; excellent use of the channel
16:50 Techrights-sec; yes
16:56 schestowitz-TR; let the web rot away
16:56 schestowitz-TR; when you search for things like 'novell hovsepian interview'
16:56 schestowitz-TR; we are very visible because other sites perish
16:56 schestowitz-TR; so people can see a more proper angle
16:56 schestowitz-TR; I wonder if a capsule is worth having for TM and, if so, if homed
16:56 schestowitz-TR; in its own domain
16:56 schestowitz-TR; I only have one IP address at home so a subsite for TM would need
16:56 schestowitz-TR; to go on non-1965 port
16:58 Techrights-sec; yes it would probably be rather popular to have a capsule for TM.
16:58 Techrights-sec; It would definitely need its own host name but it need not be on a separate
16:58 Techrights-sec; machine if the OS gets updated. It would be best to keep it on port 1965,
16:58 Techrights-sec; since that is where it is expected, but the OS upgrade is the bottleneck there.
16:58 schestowitz-TR; ah, yes, if it's oin some thing like devuan it can be configured with agate
16:58 schestowitz-TR; and then dns point to it
16:58 Techrights-sec; Yes devuan or any recent distro could handle it no problem. It's just
16:58 Techrights-sec; we have a while before work on TM can start.
16:59 schestowitz-TR; based on the tone there is desire but high workload at work (security company)
16:59 schestowitz-TR; at this moment
17:00 Techrights-sec; not much is needed for proactive security: a list of managers that have
17:00 Techrights-sec; signed off on M$ purchases+deployments and a stout but short length of rebar >:(
17:01 schestowitz-TR; not sure if you noticed, but this past weekend and this week almost no annoying news at all, not even the security FUD
17:01 schestowitz-TR; it's kind of smooth sailing in that regard
17:01 schestowitz-TR; except when I touch the patent FUD
17:02 Techrights-sec; I'm sure something dirty is being cooked up by the microsofters, they are
17:02 Techrights-sec; probably having a convention in DC or something
17:02 Techrights-sec; Remember for many years microsofters and their mouthpieces used to go quiet
17:02 Techrights-sec; once or twice a year and then reappear with new talking points after the
17:02 Techrights-sec; quiet
17:02 schestowitz-TR; i knoew you were about to say this as you had said it before
17:02 schestowitz-TR; but I never saw strong enough evidencw
17:04 Techrights-sec; It was just something obsevered. Though I did see one, long since gone, article
17:04 Techrights-sec; about some "training" or somesuch which most of them were at. Given
17:04 Techrights-sec; M$ style, it is almost certainly hidden behind NDAs, even its existence
17:09 schestowitz-TR; you know, when we started the 2020 gates articles I dared not say what some l00ns on Twitter said
17:09 schestowitz-TR; because evidence was it was weak
17:09 schestowitz-TR; openeing up to labels like "crank" and "conspiracy"
17:09 schestowitz-TR; however, in 2021 several things happened that suggest it's no longer outlandish
17:09 schestowitz-TR; and deep inside people feel that way
17:09 schestowitz-TR; so perception have changed profoundly
17:09 schestowitz-TR; I rarely hear his name anymore
17:09 schestowitz-TR; now it's the south african with the big mouth
17:10 Techrights-sec; evidence is essential when writing posts
17:10 Techrights-sec; a method which would work would be open source intelligence (which is unrelated
17:10 Techrights-sec; to open source software) However, I'm not sure how to explain it though
17:10 Techrights-sec; I have tried several times.
17:10 Techrights-sec; Maybe there is a clear book on it. With it, you can assemble many crumbs into
17:10 Techrights-sec; actual evidence.
17:10 schestowitz-TR; btw, rms talks tomorrow
17:10 schestowitz-TR; he was partly canceled
17:11 schestowitz-TR; same for gates
17:11 Techrights-sec; Where will RMS talk and what is the URL for the stream?
17:11 schestowitz-TR; fsf.org RE-posted, twice, the calendar item last night
17:25 schestowitz-TR; > "Twitter labeled his account as being Russia state-affiliated media." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/11/uk-politician-who-
17:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-UK Politician Who Had Shows On Russian TV Channel Threatens To Sue Twitter For Noting His Connections To Russian Media | Techdirt
17:25 schestowitz-TR; had-shows-on-russian-tv-channel-threatens-to-sue-twitter-for-noting-his-connections-to-russian-media/ | Source: Techdirt, WTH??
17:25 schestowitz-TR; RMS was a guest a few times
17:25 schestowitz-TR; Corbyn was on Press TV (Tahran)
17:25 schestowitz-TR; one apparance and you're fried
17:26 schestowitz-TR; "The hedge fund Alden Global Capital is notorious for plundering newspapers, relentlessly creating news deserts and ghost papers." https://fair.org/home/documenting-the-struggle-against-a-hedge-fund-stripping-journalism-for-parts/
17:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fair.org | Documenting the Struggle Against a Hedge Fund Stripping Journalism for Parts - FAIR
17:36 schestowitz-TR; "Reagan and Biden" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/12/the-reagan-and-biden-booms/
17:36 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Reagan and Biden Booms - CounterPunch.org
17:36 Techrights-sec; "news desert" is an apt term
17:38 schestowitz-TR; " The media were happy to completely ignore the reality of declining real wages throughout the Reagan era "
17:38 Techrights-sec; " The media were happy to completely ignore the reality of declining real wages throughout the Reagan era "
17:39 schestowitz-TR; my salary now is a little lower, in absolute terms, than when I first joined
17:39 schestowitz-TR; That's OK, just don't expect me to work much :-)
17:41 Techrights-sec; :/
17:43 schestowitz-TR; when you work from home you can adjust your hourly pay
17:43 schestowitz-TR; nowadays, a lot if just automated
17:43 schestowitz-TR; and so I have many screens and computers
17:43 schestowitz-TR; rianne has them too
17:43 schestowitz-TR; so she 'babysits the elephants' (videos) while rasp400 does the job
17:44 Techrights-sec; :)
17:44 Techrights-sec; The media were happy to completely ignore the reality of declining real wage^W^W
17:44 Techrights-sec; http://www.lanet.lv/users/judrups/Humor/canoneleph.html
17:44 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.lanet.lv | Canonical List Of Elephant Jokes
17:45 schestowitz-TR; gafam workers that I know (+intel) are forced back into their cages
17:45 schestowitz-TR; because "job" something
17:45 schestowitz-TR; and "jab" something
17:45 schestowitz-TR; they will never be able to use that money to compensate for it
17:47 Techrights-sec; The stupidest part about the reduction of jobs via automation is that it is
17:47 Techrights-sec; complete corruption of the purpose of computers as a tool to be a force
17:47 Techrights-sec; multiplier. Imagine if M$ were not in the way and if computers were used
17:47 Techrights-sec; to amplify people's abilities and output.
17:47 schestowitz-TR; they say companies will automate jobs and remove workers
17:47 schestowitz-TR; but workers can also automate their own jobs without telling companies
17:49 schestowitz-TR; that's what news and syndication do for us
17:49 Techrights-sec; yes
17:50 schestowitz-TR; social channel busy today, and it's nearly as fast to post there as it is to read and study the news
17:50 Techrights-sec; good if it draws the off-topic material out of the main channel
17:52 schestowitz-TR; sometiues spare links can be 'weaponised' to change the subject back to tech without saying as much
17:52 schestowitz-TR; it changes focus and doesn't admonish anyone
17:52 schestowitz-TR; in half an hour I will start catching up with tech news
17:52 schestowitz-TR; if I finish by 10pm, I can do articles too
17:52 schestowitz-TR; but I realised after the TM ordeal just having the "darn thing" online is good enough
17:52 schestowitz-TR; I did not sleep well
17:52 schestowitz-TR; and did not tell rianne why until she made breakfast
17:52 schestowitz-TR; as that would ruin hers, too
17:57 Techrights-sec; ack
19:19 schestowitz-TR; hours ago it was a lot smaller
19:19 schestowitz-TR; so drupalo cache is buiulding up already
19:19 schestowitz-TR; the siter runs nicely
19:19 schestowitz-TR; and I populate it with stories, still lots to catch up with
19:19 schestowitz-TR; I'm tired and rianne will help overnight
19:21 Techrights-sec; excellent, backups tested and site running.
19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:53] <schestowitz-TR> hmmm... our gemini proxy is offline
19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:53] <schestowitz-TR> fixing...
19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:53] <schestowitz-TR> first this this happens, since it started 2 months ago
19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:56] <schestowitz-TR> fixed
19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:56] <schestowitz-TR> need sleep now, back in a few, it's a long nap
19:58 schestowitz-TR; [19:56] <schestowitz-TR> I'm on shift tonight :/
19:58 schestowitz-TR; I tried nginx restart
19:58 schestowitz-TR; no effect
19:58 schestowitz-TR; then gemini-proxy
19:58 schestowitz-TR; took like 1.5 minutes to restart
19:59 schestowitz-TR; and gradually recovereed
19:59 schestowitz-TR; no lack of system resources observed
19:59 schestowitz-TR; but anyway. shring in case it happens agaion
19:59 schestowitz-TR; it wa returning error 503 for all requests
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