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00:05 psydruid; if macOS wasn't total junk before, it definitely is now
00:06 psydruid; I would just scrap the entire operating system
00:07 MinceR; apple has been total garbage ever since they decided to make the apple III
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00:11 MinceR; also, the lisa
00:11 DaemonFC; Bethesda games are such a shitfest that it's easier to ZIP the folder I installed them into than to install them again once I've distro hopped and remember exactly what I did to make them work the last time all over again.
00:11 DaemonFC; Just unpack them somewhere with all of the hacks and point Lutris at them.
00:12 MinceR; these already show off what current crApple does: extremely shitty design (as exemplified by the self-melting apple III) and extreme disdain for their customers (as exemplified by the designed-for-idiots lisa)
00:12 DaemonFC; Fedora 36 Beta works pretty well on the 2016 Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2.
00:12 DaemonFC; I might try it for realsies on this ThinkBook.
00:15 DaemonFC; They do tend to have good releases and bad releases, and when they're bad, they're really bad.
00:15 DaemonFC; No punishment for pushing out a bad release when you don't have to maintain it for 5 or 10 years.
00:15 MinceR; i don't think there's ever going to be a good release of fedora since they switched to systemd
00:16 kingoffrance; fedora had a little curlie / right in the middle of its forehead / when it was good it was very very good / and when it was bad it was horrid
00:18 kingoffrance; </looney tunes chipmunks>
00:19 activelow; RedHat9 was the first Linux i tried, and the reason to not use Linux (year 2002)
00:19 activelow; why would i want to use this, if i didn't want a Windows style system?
00:20 activelow; it was OpenBSD which lured me into, the benefits of a *nix
00:20 kingoffrance; yeah, that is how i was with mandrake. went to freebsd
00:20 DaemonFC; Red Hat 9 was the one where they did that "release" of GCC, right?
00:20 activelow; it was all there, a clean build system, easy installation, some security
00:21 psydruid; Fedora Core 1 made me switch all computers at home to Slackware
00:21 DaemonFC; The one that the FSF had to make a statement about, because Red Hat pulled it out of the development repository.
00:21 psydruid; and I've never run it since outside of QEMU
00:21 kingoffrance; not that i had any problem with mandrake, but there is "i want to learn" and "i want someone to do it for me" distros
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00:21 DaemonFC; "If you compile anything with this, it's unlikely that it will work later unless you use static linking."
00:21 DaemonFC; Which is exactly what people who did use it had to do, for ten YEARS.
00:22 DaemonFC; :)
00:22 kingoffrance; you talking about gcc 2.96, or was that different?
00:22 activelow; slackware, don't remember why i played with this; iirc linux had some benefit with hardware support, and i followed "linux from scratch" with hardening patches, and then fiddled this into slackware packages
00:23 DaemonFC; yeah.....
00:23 DaemonFC; gcc296-compat LULZ
00:23 matey; schestowitz-TR matey: did I use those actual words?
00:23 matey; i can find the quote
00:23 matey; i actually spent a minute looking but ill find it later
00:24 matey; it was in the past 6-7 months (this year has flown by, 1/3 in already)
00:24 activelow; with gcc-4.7/g++ none of the GTK desktop stuff is available (although GTK isn't written in c++, i might add); don't free brave enough to try gcc2.96
00:24 activelow; *feel
00:25 activelow; with RedHat 9 the RPM package management was annoying, it is a huge burden
00:25 kingoffrance; well i just didnt know because red hat 9 ....they reset versino numbers at some point, since rhel 4 rhel 5 rhel 6 ...not sure where the "enterprise" is now .....lol
00:25 kingoffrance; so, there was the old "red hat 9" and i guess another one coming up now lol
00:25 activelow; yes, the old RedHat9
00:25 kingoffrance; :)
00:26 activelow; doubt anything has changed since then, concerning RPM style package management
00:26 MinceR; enterprise is what you need in order to have people stupid enough to decide to run that crap
00:26 kingoffrance; enterprise is when you want to pay someone to take the fall
00:26 kingoffrance; :)
00:26 MinceR; :>
00:27 psydruid; and that someone still doesn't know what he's doing
00:29 activelow; the benefit of any RedHat for practical use is: LDAP/Kerberos, if it is implemented correctly with administrative tools
00:30 activelow; since this is what admins want, in practice, which they get, with IBM Wintel: LDAP/Kerberos ("active directory")
00:32 activelow; in combination with groupware, Outlook, Exchange and all that, which RedHat too focused on
00:33 activelow; and where am I nowadays? back to mutt-mailer for more than 5 years.
00:34 DaemonFC; Fedora doesn't ship with a program for Mail.
00:34 DaemonFC; Oh well. That's easily fixed I suppose.
00:34 DaemonFC; Never could figure out why Evolution is so slow at syncing IMAP folders.
00:34 matey; when i downloaded wikipedia (en) compressed, it was about 15gb
00:34 matey; that was less than 10 years ago
00:35 DaemonFC; It's 96 GB or so right now I'm told.
00:35 matey; compressed?
00:35 matey; i know compressed isnt a fixed rate, but that sounds like more growth than i would expect
00:35 matey; i mean if there were 25 billion people on earth sure
00:35 DaemonFC; Obviously the sum of SPAM....errrrr human knowledge has expanded more than six fold.
00:35 matey; im guessing 96gb is the uncompressed size
00:36 DaemonFC; Compressed.
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00:36 matey; wow.
00:36 activelow; reminds me, i wanted to host a wikipedia dump locally, already downloaded this, yet coultn't find how to _quickly_ administer this
00:36 matey; what i learned while playing with english wikipedia was this
00:36 matey; databases serve a purpose.
00:36 matey; hehehehe
00:37 matey; i was able to create many tens of thousands of files, in the same folder, no problem (ext3)
00:37 matey; but then DELETING many tens of thousands of files after that, it was having a fun time
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00:37 DaemonFC; I was told about 5 years ago I think that Silverblue (immutable file system) was the future of Fedora.
00:38 DaemonFC; Yet here we are with Fedora 36 about to go out and it's still off to the side.
00:38 psydruid; jfs was good at deleting files
00:38 DaemonFC; JFS was okay.
00:38 matey; i absolutely chose the wrong partition for the job
00:38 psydruid; xfs was good at corrupting files without a good ups
00:38 matey; yeah xfs was just crap for everything
00:38 DaemonFC; XFS is not the default file system in anything but RHEL.
00:39 matey; fuck xfs with a rusty metal traffic cone
00:39 matey; no but ubuntu pushed it for a while, and it made me hate trisquel a little more
00:39 DaemonFC; They did?
00:39 activelow; i was hitting a bug, with nilfs2-utils (aarch32 in userspace), running on top of aarch64 kernel, which is the cleanerd segfaults with this setup.
00:40 matey; it was the default in ubuntu a few years ago
00:40 matey; ext-something with xfs
00:40 matey; so you couldnt resize. what a bitch.
00:40 activelow; with a pure aarch64 nilfs2 was rather pleasent, yet cannot use it currently, because i need aarch32
00:40 matey; or maybe you could expand but not reclaim
00:40 matey; i stuck to ext3
00:41 activelow; as far as filesystems are concerned, a log-structured such as nilfs2 had top priority over any other
00:41 matey; with the above mentioned caveats if youre playing with wikipedia :)
00:41 DaemonFC; systemd-coredump has a user now.
00:41 DaemonFC; As well as systemd-timesync.
00:41 psydruid; systemd-annihilated
00:41 matey; does the user have root privileges? can you use it over ssh? does it have a hardcoded pw? does lennart have a backdoor?
00:42 matey; i mean another backdoor
00:42 DaemonFC; I recall Fedora making way for all of this junk by lowering the uid for the first user on the system a while back on new installs.
00:42 kingoffrance; i remember reading about xfs when it was being ported......wikipedia says the guaranteed I/O feature needed special hardware, so apparently is gone. im not sure what besides that it does better than other FS. that would seem the killer feature
00:42 kingoffrance; *special hardware back on irix
00:42 matey; xfs is one of the most annoying things ubuntu ever did, but not as bad as unity lens
00:42 activelow; the killer feature filesystems is log-structured, implemented with nilfs2
00:42 matey; i probably hate it more than most people
00:42 kingoffrance; i just mean, why was it ported if the seemingly killer feature left out?
00:43 kingoffrance; "enterprise" wanted it? who knows
00:43 matey; maybe they were trying to court someone they failed to get attention from <- kingoffrance
00:43 matey; ubuntu tried to do that a few times i think. like with amazon :)
00:44 matey; "oh, you default to google search huh? hold my beer!"
00:44 kingoffrance; thats the only thing i used to hear about "enterprise" hardware, that (paraphrase cray) anyon can make a fast processor, a fast system is another story.
00:44 matey; no shit
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00:56 MinceR; it takes cray to cripple it with windows?
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00:58 bnchs__; systemd-suckmydick(d)
00:58 bnchs__; systemd-suckmy(d)ick
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.66 average k/sec., average swarm size 579.55
00:59 activelow; sysvinit and openrc were somehwat enterprise style already too
01:00 activelow; which emerged from a bureaucratic apparatus, which could afford to program and maintain this
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01:01 activelow; reminds me of IPSec, i don't know, something like this doesn't emerge inside a hacker brain with limited sanity
01:01 psydruid; x86 hardware is usually quite unbalanced and even loses out to ARM when it comes to memory bandwidth
01:02 psydruid; I guess the only reason why it still exists is Vista
01:02 activelow; the reason it exists is: video games
01:03 kingoffrance; well i always thought ipsec sounded nice (encrypt everything), but never saw it used anywhere. i will take your word for it
01:03 psydruid; it's good for running video games made for Wintel DRM
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01:04 activelow; i think, again, IBM Wintel implemented full IPSec integration, including LDAP/Kerberos for this... which is rare
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01:06 activelow; somehow, i consider wireguard redundant too, SSH can cover almost all use cases for this
01:06 activelow; except for an NFS equivalent
01:07 activelow; currently, i am using NFS over wireguard vpn, although i preferred to skip this entirely too
01:07 activelow; and i do not want FUSE, required for sshfs/mounts
01:08 activelow; with kernel 2.4 sshfs was implemented without FUSE, didn't manage yet to reintegrate it, it was known as shfs
01:09 activelow; if i could, i would ditch wireguard and NFS support from kernel
01:15 lightweight; that could be a nice setup for my headslessAIbox
01:20 lightweight; httpshttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Resume-Spec-Boot-CPU
01:22 activelow; ^ gladly in-order cortex ARM doesn't need any of the mitigations
01:22 activelow; the reason Intel does, is just a symptom of their bricked products
01:22 lightweight; https://www.antitrustday.org/call/ -> tomorrow will be denial of service day
01:22 Alternative link; CloudFlare: antitrustday.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.antitrustday.org/call/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.antitrustday.org/call/
01:22 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://www.antitrustday.org/call/ )
01:23 psydruid; Intel Brick
01:24 activelow; and it is interesting too, comparing in-order and out-of-order CPU on ARM (cortex a53 with cortex a72), the out-of-order pipeline is far less benefitial to performance than it justified to implement such a design prone to security issues
01:25 psydruid; why was there never another in-order core after Cortex-A55?
01:25 psydruid; or is there?
01:25 activelow; don't know, isn't the A55 the latest offering from ARM?
01:25 psydruid; A510 perhaps
01:25 DaemonFC; For some reason, Totem in Fedora 36 can't play AV1+Opus in a Matroska container.
01:26 psydruid; ARMv9 core
01:26 DaemonFC; It both crashes Totem and the thumbnailer for Nautilus.
01:26 lightweight; you should had stiked to ubuntu
01:26 activelow; the out-of-order CPUs from ARM may not be considered "RISC" anymore anyway; don't know why ARM introduced A72 and similar
01:27 lightweight; you couldnt even play mp3 on fedora back then
01:31 lightweight; another good one from fedora https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-37-Deprecate-BIOS
01:31 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-37-Deprecate-BIOS https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-37-Deprecate-BIOS
01:31 TR Bot; 37 Looks To Deprecate Legacy BIOS Support - Phoronix
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01:32 lightweight; fedora isnt supposed to be used as daily driver distro
01:33 lightweight; its just making users lab rats
01:33 lightweight; to test their shit
01:33 lightweight; or to get people to upgrade to redhat
01:35 lightweight; they are just MS wannabes
01:35 activelow; i think, RedHat and similar intended to _compete_ with Wintel
01:35 activelow; however, this isn't what GNU/Linux was, a competitor to target consumer and corporate interests
01:37 activelow; and to be fair with them, RedHat is a competent comptitor; nonetheless it isn't the type of system I want to work with myself, or administer for anyone else
01:37 lightweight; they are also in love with gnome
01:38 activelow; furthermore, if RedHat isn't of interest to a particular minority of hackers, then they loose them, and too loose against what they intended to compete with
01:38 activelow; because IBM Wintel cannot be competed with based on technical and quality criteria
01:39 activelow; not to mention Android; _never_ used any device where this is installed
01:40 MinceR; yeah, you're supposed to pay ibm/deadrat for rHELL instead
01:41 MinceR; or just get a few years ahead of their quest for the "modern" and use Backdoors or crapOS instead
01:42 activelow; i did _remove_ the relevant parts, which originated from IBM/RedHat: ldap/kerberos/glibc/PAM/virtualization ... none of this remained
01:42 activelow; i do not want this, not free of charge, not as a present, and certainly not pay for such
01:42 activelow; i rather disconnect entirely from the internet, and hack with Z80 era stuff
01:43 psydruid; GNU/Linux is just like proprietary UNIX back in the day
01:43 psydruid; something corporate and not to be used by hackers
01:43 matey; RedHat is a competent comptitor; nonetheless it isn't the type of system I want to work with myself, or administer for anyone else <- you can say that again
01:46 activelow; yet, even at that time, of Z80 era, this is when IBM Wintel PC emerged (i8086), and crushed free and opensource (down to hardware realm)
01:46 activelow; which was the time, when proprietary BIOS became the "real OS"
01:46 activelow; now we got UEFI
01:48 activelow; it is OK, if IBM Wintel do their business, problem is they impose their habits and products globally
01:48 activelow; it is not at least possible anymore, to apply for some jobs, without any of their products
01:49 matey; unjustifiably extensive firmware installation
01:50 matey; [2~even at that time, of Z80 era, this is when IBM Wintel PC emerged (i8086), and crushed free and opensource (down to hardware realm) <- intel-ectual property
01:50 mjg59_; BIOS is not an OS and is not the "real OS" whatever that even means
01:50 activelow; greetings mjg59_
01:50 mjg59_; And also conceptually dates back to CP/M and, uh, the Z-80
01:51 activelow; i did some reading, historically, it was CP/M itself which initialized the hardware, without a "BIOS"
01:51 activelow; and this is exactly what an operating system does: initialize the hardware
01:51 activelow; that's why, i consider u-boot loader, an operating system too
01:51 mjg59_; BIOS in CP/M is the abstraction layer between the OS and the hardware, exactly the role it played on the PC
01:51 matey; BIOS is not an OS <- seems like a quibble when the os contains routines that can replace the bios, and the bios replace toggling in initialisation routines that led to similar toggling for programming
01:52 matey; i mean wherever you draw the line, it seems like a quibble
01:52 matey; "this is new hampshire" "this is massachusettes" "this is vermont" and yet the borders used to be in different places.
01:53 matey; even when they were still called that
01:53 mjg59_; Ironically, what made the PC less portable and gave IBM an initial lockin advantage is that people started accessing the hardware directly rather than using the BIOS
01:54 mjg59_; Hence the distinction between "PC Compatible" and "DOS Compatible" in the 80s
01:54 matey; but that was surely by design and thanks to microsoft
01:54 mjg59_; You could boot DOS fine on machines that weren't PC compatible
01:55 mjg59_; Microsoft certainly did write code that had strong PC assumptions (Flight Simulator was the canonical example for years), but they were hardly alone
01:55 matey; did caldera lock in anything via program routines? (vs licenses for example)
01:55 matey; caldera/sco/opendos
01:56 mjg59_; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RM_Nimbus is an example of a DOS compatible machine that was widespread in UK schools for years
01:56 TR Bot; RM Nimbus - Wikipedia
01:56 matey; dos compatible was probably easier to get away with than pc compatible
01:57 matey; since dos compatible wasnt a moving target, ibm was, and ibm sued for patents (microsoft didnt want to back then)
01:57 mjg59_; Oh yes - you just had to implement the BIOS interface, you didn't need to use any specific hardware
01:57 *mjg59_ heads out for a while
01:57 matey; but if you did it in a chip you could face patent lawyers and if you did it with software, you were clever
01:58 matey; ibm was very keen on sending lawyers into say, compaq over such things
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 305.30
01:59 matey; because one was a patent issue and (at the time) the other wasnt, it might have actually been ibms lawyers that inadvertently pushed microsoft (and maybe tandy) to work around ibm using software instead
02:01 matey; this would also imply that ibms lockin was the cause and not "Ironically, what made the PC less portable and gave IBM an initial lockin advantage" the effect
02:02 activelow; IBM+KPMG ... it's not a hacker thing, in this realm, they call it "business"
02:02 activelow; KPMG with their "trust fund" (Treuhand), it was them who dismantled and destroyed east-german seminconductor manufacturing
02:03 activelow; 30years later they realized, this may not have been a good idea, and dump trillions of cash
02:03 activelow; now they want to bless east-german with Intel Fabs, F-35 for sale, and Israeli Arrow-3 missile defense: NO THANKS.
02:04 activelow; german military reported, their radio equipment wasn't suitable anymore, to communicate with allies, Eurofighter (68K iirc) reported as defunct
02:05 activelow; NASA itself couldn't source sparei8086 parts for their Space Shuttle anymore
02:05 activelow; looking forward to the product-lifecycle of SpaceX
02:05 matey; systemd-spacexd
02:06 matey; instead of releasing the booster it waits for the ignition to disingage, gets stuck in a loop and if youre lucky, drops (not literally!) to a shell
02:07 matey; but thats ok, theres still enough fuel for the maneuvering thrusters to carry out half the mission
02:07 matey; the problem is always upstream
02:08 matey; "its probably a configuration issue. what kernel version is it?"
02:09 activelow; spacex will manage, yet i doubt this era of computing will be any more long-time reliable than the last one
02:10 matey; i honestly think its daft for space programmes to rely on such overcomplicated software
02:10 matey; when reliability is a matter of life and death, everything should be fucking stripped down
02:11 matey; you dont need xfce-notify popping up with shit when youre trying to get into orbit
02:11 MinceR; broadcasts "a stop job is running" and then falls out of the sky like a rock
02:11 activelow; the lunar lander program was what micro-soft competed with, written in BASIC
02:11 matey; a stop job is running <- i dont know why it couldnt reach 8.8.8.8
02:12 MinceR; :>
02:12 activelow; to the moon, with 4Bit ALU
02:13 matey; /me tries to figure out how long the ethernet cables needs to be
02:14 matey; "oh heres the problem-- hw accelleration isnt supported for this model of gpu anymore?"
02:14 matey; "hw accelleration?"
02:14 MinceR; acceleration via rocket hardware
02:14 matey; "yeah, you need accellerated graphics to make an init system work-- everyone knows that!"
02:14 MinceR; :)
02:15 MinceR; there was a time when windows couldn't run without a GUI, i guess that's the "modern" thing
02:15 matey; acceleration via rocket hardwar <- well yes but its a catch 22 because you need the accelleration to start the rocket and you need the rocket to provide the accelleration
02:16 matey; so once again the problem is upstream (or we will say it is and see if nasa buys it-- after all, whats a bunch of fucking rocket scientists compared to lord poettering?)
02:16 MinceR; :>
02:16 MinceR; just put a copy of poettering's multiseat laptop in the rocket
02:16 matey; harry poettering and the init system of azkaban
02:17 MinceR; don't forget to install gnome on it
02:17 matey; just strap poettering to the rocket
02:17 MinceR; lol
02:17 activelow; a misconception is this, imo, the argument any consumer or ordinary business type system was tailored according to different standards than what is suitable for aerospace
02:17 activelow; instead, the ordinary consumer stuff it is, which homebrewser and hackers and kids grow up with
02:17 matey; "but hagrid, im not a... a... a... developer"
02:18 activelow; that's why, nowadays, engineering labs are equipped with tons of electronics powerd by IBM Wintel
02:18 matey; "well sure ya are! *leans in* havent ya ever taken a half a dozen projects source code and slapped them together with duct tape into some terrible monstrousity an called it 'enterprise?'"
02:18 matey; "well..."
02:18 matey; "mmhmm."
02:18 activelow; the industry, they _cannot_ separate from common trends in "business" and "consumer" market
02:19 activelow; if IBM Wintel PC dominates consumer and business, then this is what engineers have to work with
02:19 matey; enterprise software is a fashionable dictatorship
02:19 MinceR; is there an unfashionable dictatorship anymore?
02:19 matey; no, theyre all in fashion
02:20 activelow; didn't review SPARC Leon yet... which Airbus chose; i fear however, they deploy their designs with Xilinx monstrosity on IBM Wintel PC
02:20 matey; "if IBM Wintel PC dominates consumer and business" fortunately roy is probably right about this part
02:21 matey; "which Airbus chose" thats enough to turn me away
02:21 matey; if they chose the colour green id get something else.
02:23 activelow; some years ago, it was possible to assemble a 68K on a breadboard... and boot linux with it; this times have passed
02:23 MinceR; lol
02:23 matey; no you can still do that
02:23 MinceR; matey: it could be worse... it could be boeing
02:23 activelow; i think it was a kernel 2.4 or 2.6
02:23 matey; they never go boeing, its more of a KKRRRHHHSSSHHH!!!!!!! FOOM
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02:24 MinceR; lol
02:25 matey; but stastically your odds are still worse in a car
02:25 matey; and elon musk is working very hard to make certain it not only stays that way, but is even more like that
02:26 MinceR; :>
02:26 matey; hal deactivate engine "im sorry dave, i cant do that"
02:27 MinceR; maybe they'll implement a "feature" so that "law enforcement" can hijack/detour cars driven by "criminals"
02:27 matey; pinecar will of course, release a modified smart car with a pin you can pull out to sever the battery connection to the motors
02:27 matey; but im hoping they will call their first model the "derby"
02:27 MinceR; and then someone manages to log in as if they were "law enforcement" and fun things happen
02:27 matey; or microsoft wants to run updates
02:27 MinceR; i'd rather have a Land Cruiser retromodded with a BEV powertrain
02:28 matey; hey, my car wont steer "youre holding it wrong"
02:28 matey; id rather have a fucking bicycle.
02:28 MinceR; lol
02:29 matey; the more ridiculous technology gets, the more 1800s technology looks ahead of its time
02:29 matey; "my coffee grinder is stuck running updates again." "oh well, i only have this hand-cranked one, but its working"
02:29 activelow; mathematics in 1800 were highly advanced already
02:29 matey; yeah but i suck at math
02:30 MinceR; :>
02:30 activelow; fourier and laplace transform, already existed iirc
02:30 MinceR; my hand-cranked coffee grinder isn't from 1800
02:30 activelow; which is what most modern signal-processing is based upon
02:30 matey; ive used what pretty much has to be an antique, or a good knockoff
02:30 matey; cast iron fucking gears on it
02:30 matey; it looks like its from a museum
02:31 matey; im not a luddite, but as a debian refugee im naturally impressed by things that actually work.
02:31 activelow; i wasn't good at that anymore either, too many other "innovations" to struggle with while studying: java and oracle db... puke
02:31 MinceR; i have one of these >> https://www.zassenhaus.com/produkte/kaffee/18/mokkamuehle-havanna
02:31 TR Bot; HAVANNA | Kaffee | Produkte | ZASSENHAUS since 1867
02:31 matey; nice
02:33 matey; my hand cranked coffee grinder, my mokkamuehle havanna, my 12-stage init system, dropped to the shell again for you-hooooo-- you--hooooo id eleave it all
02:33 matey; /me still thinks george ezra is taking the piss
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02:38 2matey; You could always read https://mypdns.org/dCF/deCloudflare for your answer because it is already there and collaborate your time.
02:38 TR Bot; Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
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02:39 matey; bnchs: #techrights : 04/06/22 01:38 <2matey> You could always read https://mypdns.org/dCF/deCloudflare for your answer because it is already there and collaborate your time.
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02:40 MinceR; it's sad that this ircd not only allows unicode nicks but also nicks starting with digits
02:40 matey; /me is sceptical but someone is adamant
02:40 matey; well i think its a legitimate usage, or close enough
02:40 matey; it was a reply to something i asked earlier, but i was only asking for bnchs
02:41 matey; at any rate we looked there, and didnt find what we wanted. maybe its there now.
02:41 matey; im not sure how to "collaborate my time" but software is developed all over the world, by people who speak varying degrees (and dialects) of english
02:41 matey; hinglish is hysterical. and sometimes very clever.
02:42 MinceR; i doubt it even highlighted you :>
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02:42 matey; no, but i saw it nonetheless
02:42 MinceR; :)
02:42 matey; my initial reaction of course, was similar to yours. but it only took a moment to see what was going on
02:44 matey; in hinglish, "prepone" is a word
02:44 matey; its the opposite of postpone
02:44 MinceR; :>
02:44 MinceR; isn't there a real english word for that?
02:44 matey; its real english from the perspective of an asian subcontinent
02:44 MinceR; lol
02:45 MinceR; advance, hasten, antedate, expedite
02:45 matey; also "loose motion" is what you get from eating too many spicy foods, or drinking milk when lactose intolerant
02:45 matey; well english is already silly (and hopelessly foreign to itself) to begin with
02:46 MinceR; :)
02:46 matey; its the systemd of languages, and id almost rather speak something else
02:46 matey; its not like i havent tried. migrating to openbsd was a fuck of a lot easier
02:46 MinceR; i don't think that concept is applicable to languages
02:47 matey; if it is applicable, then english is the example.
02:47 MinceR; it implies that there are other things you could load into your mind that would do part of the work the english language does, but aren't languages themselves
02:47 MinceR; or whatever
02:47 matey; i think english is the most ridiculous commonly used language in the world-- but its certainly not useless.
02:47 MinceR; dunno
02:48 MinceR; have you met other languages? :>
02:48 matey; yes, and i think mandarin is a contender.
02:48 matey; i do love that it teaches everyone to sing everything
02:49 MinceR; i don't love that
02:49 MinceR; i can't sing everything and i'm even worse at picking the tone out of the song
02:49 matey; because of all the tones when speaking, chinese people speaking english (if theyre actually from china) end up sounding like theyre saying "hellooooo siiirrrrrr, how are youoooo"
02:49 MinceR; and it seems that it is often left out
02:49 matey; insert unicode musical notes
02:49 matey; well it makes its a bitch to learn
02:49 MinceR; names are often transcribed without the tones
02:49 matey; but theres only 4 tones, so
02:49 MinceR; and i suspect that there are contexts in which they are at least more difficult to pick out
02:50 matey; yeah but then hindi comes along and says "we dont do that"
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02:50 2bnchs; ROFL XD :-) >>> bnchs they smoked crack during the design
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02:50 MinceR; also, other languages use tone for other meta-information
02:50 matey; "we just have 15 different vowels that sound exactly the same"
02:50 MinceR; whoever is using these 2matey, 2bnchs and other nicks: you can hang out here, we don't bite :>
02:51 kingoffrance; well i guess these mirror people are "visitors" </south park>
02:51 matey; i think its meant to convey an air of mystery
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02:51 MinceR; mystery is pretty much ensured anyway
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02:52 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; <kingoffrance> well i guess these mirror people are "visitors" </south park> <- i couldnt resist
02:53 MinceR; lol
02:53 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; its such a good episode
02:53 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; i hope jodie foster saw it
02:54 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; when youre blue and you dont know where to go to why dont you go where theyre fascist?
02:54 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; putin on a ritz!
02:54 MinceR; :)
02:54 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; so that guys name is ACTUALLY taco
02:54 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; i thought it was the name of the band
02:55 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; i dont think he shits ice cream though
02:55 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; if youre blue and you dont know where to go to why dont you go where ice cream shits?
02:56 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; pooper duper!
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 93.98 average k/sec., average swarm size 282.36
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03:03 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AvKhAHflqvM usually i hate remixes
03:03 TR Bot; TACO PUTTIN ON THE RITZ 2017 (A Tribute To Fred Astaire) - Invidious
03:04 MinceR; (audio) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLMTMK-mp7w
03:04 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jLMTMK-mp7w
03:04 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Putin on the Ritz - Invidious
03:04 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 99301 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40045 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 months 26 days ago
03:05 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 27 GB TotalOut: 5.9 GB
03:06 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:07 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; 2:25 tries to be electroswing and comes out sounding like klezmer instead
03:07 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; since i technically like both i just think its funny
03:08 IPFS; QmPP37AxLbRc3k9bp8hVPgJLkqdNKMo4NwWGy77QCsCNmS
03:08 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:08 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; hes got a fuck of a lot of energy for a dude with white hair
03:09 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; of course hes only 61 in that video
03:10 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; these days you can be "only 61"
03:12 MinceR; white hair can be faked :>
03:12 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; "Taco Ockerse was born in Jakarta, Indonesia, on 21 July 1955,[7] he spent many of his childhood years moving around the world, residing in the Netherlands, the United States, Singapore, Luxembourg, Belgium, and Germany."
03:12 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; <MinceR> white hair can be faked <- but does he code!
03:12 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; i knew a guy from indonesia
03:13 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; 80 years old and had a smarter mouth than anyone ive met so far
03:14 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; he also moved to the netherlands with his brother
03:15 MinceR; lol
03:17 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; /me misses delores oriordan
03:17 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; if elton john can miss marilyn monroe, i can miss oriordan
03:18 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; drowned in a bath because she was loaded on booze
03:19 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; loaded on booze because she was fucked up for life
03:19 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; but she spent a lot of time trying to straighten it out
03:20 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; but her voice <3
03:20 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; also sometimes she was really gorgeous
03:20 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; in "ode to my family" she looks like jim carrey in the mask
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03:21 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; but usually shes fucking beautiful
03:21 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; its the teeth
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03:21 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; theyre very big and white
03:21 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; great song though
03:22 DaemonFC; Okay, so that might solve some of my WiFi stability problems.
03:22 MinceR; ethernet?
03:22 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; ^
03:22 DaemonFC; Debian keeps their firmware severely out of date.
03:22 DaemonFC; Fedora doesn't.
03:22 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; steve jobs didnt use wifi
03:23 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; or license plates, but fines = legal if youre rich
03:24 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; i imagine if theyd given him a couple nights in a cell he would have put a plate on his car
03:24 MinceR; steve jobs also didn't like putting fans in devices that needed them
03:24 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; or buttons on optical drives, because those are for losers :)
03:25 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; everyone knows that the eject button should be on the keyboard
03:25 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; and now you need an apple keyboard!
03:25 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; but wait, you can also drag the cd to the trash!
03:25 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; because of course thats what you would do!
03:25 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; and this is why ive never dropped acid.
03:26 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; i mean its not the only reason, merely the most compelling.
03:26 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; steve jobs: you should try acid! everyone should!
03:26 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; also steve jobs: "and then you drag the cd into the trash can!"
03:26 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; "and thats how it ejects"
03:26 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; yep.
03:26 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; never touching the stuff
03:27 MinceR; :>
03:28 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; he never put fans in machines that should have them because he was afraid he would lapse into his old habit
03:28 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; of turning all his computers into bongs
03:29 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; im not against pot of course, but using your computer as a bong is just silly
03:29 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; thats what keurigs are for.
03:29 MinceR; lol
03:30 DaemonFC; It seems libadwaita and GTK4 are causing another theme mess.
03:30 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; i draw the line at gtk4
03:30 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; 1 browser, 1 graphical editor
03:30 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; no other exceptions
03:30 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; fork gtk, this is silly.
03:31 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; /me isnt using gtk for much
03:32 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; too bad qt is such a dumpster fire
03:32 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; it could have been useful
03:32 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; /me lived next to a literal dumpster fire once
03:33 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; they had fun rebuilding that side of the building
03:33 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; because this is where your fucking cigarette goes, woody (yes of course it was a cigarette)
03:33 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; thats so stupid they should have deported the guy
03:34 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; he was greek. and im not really big on deporting people. but i mean as an alternative to shooting him.
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03:56 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; tomboys :) the geeky variety https://www.grrlpowercomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/2022-04-04-GP1037.jpg
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03:57 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; the running lights are hysterical
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03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 69.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 607.86
03:59 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; its funny because the one with purple hair is a feminist, and the blonde and the (purple zebra) succubus think shes incredibly uptight, but like her otherwise
04:14 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, April 05, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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04:15 DaemonFC; GNOME Software is as big a piece of shit as ever.
04:15 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; yes!
04:15 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; when you said you wanted to try gnome 42, i thought you were high
04:15 DaemonFC; I just had to kill -9 it and delete its cache folder because it insisted that apps I removed with dnf were there, but when you click uninstall it says nothing to remove.
04:16 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; the purpose of gnome is to bring windows to the "linux" desktop
04:16 DaemonFC; Okay, so the LULZ with GNOME Software Center never end, and now GNOME doesn't know what AV1+Opus in MKV is and it crashes the thumbnailer.
04:16 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; or if not windows, then the same sheer stupidity
04:16 DaemonFC; But if you open them in Celluloid they play (or VLC).
04:16 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; gnome is also a wonderful barometer as the general direction the fsf is going
04:17 TR News; Building Emacs 28.1 gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-04-05%20Building%20Emacs%2028.1
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04:17 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; gnome and systemd are both like your metaphor of q
04:17 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; if they want something to work, they just change the gravitational constant of the universe
04:18 DaemonFC; The installer also left my hostname set to localhost-live.
04:18 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; and wait for everyone else to go along with it
04:18 TR News; "america [sic] is definitely the worst developed country [sic] and the only reason people find it compelling is that it's the richest and most powerful" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
04:18 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; nice of it to choose a hostname for you
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04:19 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D194.jpg
04:19 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; sesame-street-live probably would have cause a collision
04:19 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D552.jpg
04:19 MinceR; 06 051615 < a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream> the purpose of gnome is to bring windows to the "linux" desktop
04:19 MinceR; i thought it was supposed to bring macos to it
04:19 DaemonFC; Eh, resetting it with hostnamectl works.
04:20 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; the purpose of WINDOWS is to bring macos to people who dont have a mac
04:20 DaemonFC; Apparently, there is no Fedora 36 Beta for SilverBlue, but you can install Fedora 35 and then change the OSTree to 36 Beta.
04:20 MinceR; lol
04:20 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; the purpose of gnome is to bring windows to people who dont have windows
04:20 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; its sort of like a big with training wheels-- and the training wheels have their own training wheels
04:20 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; like a bike ^
04:21 DaemonFC; I wonder if SilverBlue has any purpose except to give you a reason to use Flatpaks.
04:21 DaemonFC; Oh, and adding a display returns me to the log-in screen.
04:21 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; /me still thinks dfc is making silverblue up
04:21 DaemonFC; Why?
04:21 DaemonFC; But when I log in, everything is still here. Same for turning off the display.
04:22 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; All Will Be Revealed
04:23 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; its probably just the usual dick sucking contest though
04:24 DaemonFC; On the upside, my WiFi connection has never been better.
04:25 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; but thats a firmware issue
04:25 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; or at least it was
04:29 TR News; STEAM DECK Gameplay | LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ili1B46Pg7A Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
04:29 TR Bot; STEAM DECK Gameplay | LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga - Invidious
04:30 DaemonFC; All bittorrent apps are unsafe according to the GNOME Software program.
04:31 DaemonFC; They've been given full file system access in Flatpak.
04:31 DaemonFC; I suppose you could fix that....
04:31 TR News; CVSS v3 8.4 https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-095-02
04:31 TR Bot; Johnson Controls Metasys | CISA
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04:31 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; flatpak seems to have been designed to babysit users
04:32 TR News; Funny how Microsoft-funded corporate media never covers HIGHLY CRITICAL AND SEVERE flaws in PROPRIETARY software.
04:32 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; function right() { right_buf="" ; right_c=0 ; right_p=${1} ; right_x=${2} ; for right_b in $(echo "$right_p" | tr ' ' '_' | rev | fold -sw 1) ; do right_buf="$right_buf$right_b" ; right_c="$(($right_c+1))" ; if [[ ! "$right_c" -lt "$right_x" ]] ; then break ; fi ; done ; echo "$right_buf" | rev | tr '_' ' ' }
04:32 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163397
04:32 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
04:32 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; i suppose if everything was written in bash, eventually people would say "fuck it" and just move to hardware designs instead
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04:33 DaemonFC; So all the icons are missing in GTK3 applications.
04:33 DaemonFC; What a mess.
04:33 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; i delete all my icons
04:34 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; im used to them not being there
04:34 TR News; "In this video, we are looking at Xubuntu 22.04 Beta." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vT78T95Daz8
04:34 TR Bot; Xubuntu 22.04 Beta Run Through - Invidious
04:34 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; applications whinge about it in the term output
04:35 TR News; Ubuntu Budgie 22.04 Beta Run Through - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DZKmzV_0RBY Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
04:35 TR Bot; Ubuntu Budgie 22.04 Beta Run Through - Invidious
04:35 TR News; 3D printing a bunch of community-made Steam Deck models. Any youd recommend? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Ag36Hwpycr0 Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
04:35 TR Bot; 3D printing a bunch of community-made Steam Deck models. Any you'd recommend? - Invidious
04:36 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; imo if a button doesnt have an icon file, it should switch to using a label
04:36 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; if the button is fixed width, it will naturally become an initial for that label.
04:36 TR News; "So a gitlab dev made a pretty big mistake and pushed a hardcoded password into production code, the results are as you'd expect." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EE_RfwQcDuE
04:36 TR Bot; Gitlab Ships Critical Account Takeover Bug - Invidious
04:36 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; or a de facto abbreviation
04:37 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; this is not what happens. although i do not care
04:37 TR News; "Hey, DT! Whats Your Thoughts On Elementary OS?" (And Other Questions) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jGXTWwIYhY8 Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
04:37 TR Bot; "Hey, DT! What's Your Thoughts On Elementary OS?" (And Other Questions) - Invidious
04:37 DaemonFC; I might download the KDE edition and see if that's still ruined.
04:37 DaemonFC; LOL
04:37 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; there are buttons on my keyboard that dont have labels either. its not even that old, but theyve worn onff
04:37 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; off
04:37 DaemonFC; I never thought they'd shit on GNOME like this.
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04:38 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; i think its redundant
04:38 TR News; Knowledge by the Pound: *The Renowned History of Giles Gingerbread* (1768) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/giles-gingerbread/ Source: publicdomainreview
04:38 TR Bot; Knowledge by the Pound: *The Renowned History of Giles Gingerbread* (1768) The Public Domain Review
04:38 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; gnome shitting on itself is like some kind of defecation klein bottle
04:38 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; a klein toilet!
04:39 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; dont ask me how youre supposed to keep water in the bowl
04:40 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; if it stops up you need a moebius plunger
04:42 TR News; Istio / Announcing Istio 1.12.6 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163398
04:42 TR Bot; Istio / Announcing Istio 1.12.6 | Tux Machines
04:43 TR News; "WordPress 5.9.3 is now available! This maintenance release features 9 bug fixes in Core and 10 bug fixes in the block editor. WordPress 5.9.3 is a short-cycle maintenance release. The next major release will be version 6.0." https://wordpress.org/news/2022/04/wordpress-5-9-3-maintenance-release/
04:43 TR Bot; WordPress 5.9.3 Maintenance Release WordPress News
04:44 TR News; Apple is failing its own so-called 'customers' https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/28/cider-is-an-alternative-apple-music-desktop-client-with-features-missing-in-itunes/
04:44 TR Bot; is an alternative Apple Music client for Windows and Linux - 9to5Mac
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04:45 DaemonFC; Okay, well, I fixed the "legacy" apps not being dark.
04:45 TR News; kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - x86/speculation: Restore speculation related MSRs during S3 resume https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=e2a1256b17b16f9b9adf1b6fea56819e7b68e463 Source: git
04:45 TR Bot; kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree
04:45 DaemonFC; Dark themes are the only themes that should be legal.
04:45 DaemonFC; The light theme is a crime.
04:45 DaemonFC; Tweaks now has a setting for legacy apps to use Adwaita-Dark. But if you just set Dark Mode in the Settings app, then you get a nice big fuck you from GNOME.
04:45 TR News; You should upgrade. But to GNU/Linux. Vista 11 is a DOWNGRADE. More bugs. https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/04/03/should-you-upgrade-to-windows-11-heres-a-list-of-missing-features/
04:45 Alternative link; CloudFlare: windowslatest.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/04/03/should-you-upgrade-to-windows-11-heres-a-list-of-missing-features/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/04/03/should-you-upgrade-to-windows-11-heres-a-list-of-missing-features/
04:45 TR Bot; Should you upgrade to Windows 11? Here's a list of missing features
04:45 DaemonFC; The GNOME apps are dark and nothing else.
04:45 TR News; Latest Videos About GNU/Linux (via Invidious) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163399
04:46 TR Bot; Latest Videos About GNU/Linux (via Invidious) | Tux Machines
04:46 DaemonFC; https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg298834.html
04:46 TR Bot; Fedora Development Icon issues in a number of applications - f36 and rawhide
04:47 DaemonFC; Okay, I installed GNOME Icon Theme and I still have no icons.
04:47 DaemonFC; Maybe I need to log out and back in.
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04:50 TR News; In January 2022, the European Parliament voted in favor of the Digital Services Act (DSA), a horizontal legislation for the EUs digital single market that seeks to define platforms responsibility regarding user content https://www.lumendatabase.org/blog_entries/transparency-initiatives-in-the-dsa-an-exciting-step-forward-in-transparency-reporting
04:50 TR Bot;
04:51 TR News; Party for a corporate distro??? https://ubuntu-mm.net/loco-news/the-call-for-participation-is-now-open-for-ubuntu-22-04-release-party/
04:51 TR Bot; The Call for Participation is now open for Ubuntu 22.04 Release Party Ubuntu MM
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04:52 DaemonFC; So, that does fix GTK3 apps, sure.
04:52 DaemonFC; But not Qt apps. You have to switch to "GNOME" icons to get your icons back in all cases.
04:52 DaemonFC; libadwaita fallout.....
04:53 TR News; "free Libre"?? On Apple MacOS only?? https://medevel.com/stats/
04:53 Alternative link; CloudFlare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/stats/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://medevel.com/stats/
04:53 TR Bot; Stats: A free Libre macOS system monitor directly from your menubar
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04:54 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; garish nebulous obnoxious microsoft-like environment
04:56 TR News; Shaarli is a free open-source, self-hosted Bookmarking solution Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163400
04:56 TR Bot; Shaarli is a free open-source, self-hosted Bookmarking solution | Tux Machines
04:57 TR News; My guide to understanding Git rebase -i | https://opensource.com/article/22/4/manage-git-commits-rebase-i-command Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
04:57 TR Bot; guide to understanding Git rebase -i | Opensource.com
04:58 TR News; Funny how corporate media does not call git a "Linux command". As THAT might actually upset Linus, unlike RMS (calling GNU programs "Linux").
04:58 DaemonFC; But if you install Qt/KDE applications as Flatpaks, the icons work again and you can use whatever icons you want in GNOME.
04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 343.78
04:59 TR News; "I recorded a ~20-minute video tutorial demonstrating how to work with mesh gradients in Inkscape, importing them into Scribus and producing print-ready CMYK artwork. You can watch it above embedded from YouTube or on my personal LinuxRocks PeerTube channel." https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2022/04/05/working-with-gradient-meshes-in-inkscape-scribus-to-produce-print-ready-artwork/
04:59 TR Bot; Working with gradient meshes in Inkscape & Scribus to produce print-ready artwork Mirn Duffy
04:59 activelow; DaemonFC: what a satire show of yours is this again ?
05:00 DaemonFC; Fedora 36.
05:00 DaemonFC; None of these issues are blocking the final release, by the way. :)
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05:00 TR News; "All system admins should be lazy. Not as in not doing their job, but as in doing it as efficiently as possible. Why do you have to do things manually when you can automate them?" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/automating-red-hat-identity-management-installation
05:00 TR Bot; Automating Red Hat Identity Management installation
05:01 TR News; "The kernel team is working on final integration for Linux kernel 5.17. This version was just recently released, and will arrive soon in Fedora. As a result, the Fedora kernel and QA teams have organized a test week now through Sunday, April 10, 2022." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/contribute-at-the-fedora-linux-36-test-week-for-kernel-5-17/
05:01 TR Bot; Contribute at the Fedora Linux 36 Test Week for Kernel 5.17 Fedora Community Blog
05:02 DaemonFC; Maybe the Qt apps are broken because they're missing something else?
05:02 schestowitz-TR; ICBM snubs KDE
05:03 schestowitz-TR; maybe you missed the announcement. It was deliberate.
05:04 TR News; No, you do not want "relationship" with suits https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/want-impress-your-cio-5-donts
05:04 TR Bot; Want to build a relationship with your CIO? 5 things you shouldn't do | The Enterprisers Project
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05:06 TR News; "In the last post I explained how I built a base map of Tasmania (coastline plus main roads) with a lat/lon grid using gnuplot. Here I describe how the base map was used to generate GIF animations." https://www.datafix.com.au/BASHing/2022-04-06.html
05:07 TR Bot; Mapping with gnuplot, part 3
05:07 TR News; This DIY coop controller makes caring for chickens a much easier task | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/05/this-diy-coop-controller-makes-caring-for-chickens-a-much-easier-task/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
05:07 Alternative link; CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/05/this-diy-coop-controller-makes-caring-for-chickens-a-much-easier-task/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/05/this-diy-coop-controller-makes-caring-for-chickens-a-much-easier-task/
05:07 TR Bot; This DIY coop controller makes caring for chickens a much easier task | Arduino Blog
05:08 TR News; The Arduipiano is an Arduino-powered floor piano that lets you play music with your feet | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/05/the-arduipiano-is-an-arduino-powered-floor-piano-that-lets-you-play-music-with-your-feet/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
05:08 Alternative link; CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/05/the-arduipiano-is-an-arduino-powered-floor-piano-that-lets-you-play-music-with-your-feet/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/05/the-arduipiano-is-an-arduino-powered-floor-piano-that-lets-you-play-music-with-your-feet/
05:08 TR Bot; The Arduipiano is an Arduino-powered floor piano that lets you play music with your feet | Arduino Blog
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05:09 TR News; "Hans Andersson decided to make his own version that integrates both RGB LEDs and fiber optics to show the current time in a far more entertaining manner." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/06/the-o-clock-is-a-fun-way-to-check-the-current-time/
05:09 Alternative link; CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/06/the-o-clock-is-a-fun-way-to-check-the-current-time/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/06/the-o-clock-is-a-fun-way-to-check-the-current-time/
05:09 TR Bot; The O-Clock is a fun way to check the current time | Arduino Blog
05:09 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Yeah, it seems the only ways to get icons in Qt apps are to use the "GNOME Icon Theme" (not Adwaita), or use KDE and Qt apps as Flatpaks.
05:10 DaemonFC; But installing GNOME Icon Theme puts the icons back into "Legacy" GTK apps.
05:10 DaemonFC; Even if those are from RPM.
05:11 TR News; Mobile 'phones' or 'smart' crap has become mostly about the surveillance https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/04/05/philippines-sim-card-registration-act-will-expose-users-to-greater-privacy-and-security-risks-online/
05:11 Alternative link; CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/04/05/philippines-sim-card-registration-act-will-expose-users-to-greater-privacy-and-security-risks-online/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/04/05/philippines-sim-card-registration-act-will-expose-users-to-greater-privacy-and-security-risks-online/
05:11 TR Bot; Philippines SIM Card Registration Act will expose users to greater privacy and security risks online - Open Policy & Advocacy
05:11 DaemonFC; https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg298835.html
05:11 TR Bot; Fedora Development Re: Icon issues in a number of applications - f36 and rawhide
05:11 TR News; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163401
05:11 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines
05:11 DaemonFC; "Yeah, so the TL;DR here is adwaita-icon-theme has removed a bunch of color icons. GNOME applications should for the most part only be using symbolic icons, so it's probably not very disruptive for GNOME apps, but it could be very disruptive for third-party apps that don't follow our guidelines. I will avoid expressing an opinion on whether removing icons that applications depend on is a good thing to do."
05:11 DaemonFC; W T F
05:11 TR News; "Clutter can consume us in digital form, too from an overabundance of browser bookmarks and open tabs to navigating a world wide web thats littered with junk. The right browser extension, however, can really help clean things up" https://addons.mozilla.org/blog/extensions-for-cleaning-up-a-chaotic-desktop/
05:11 Alternative link; CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://addons.mozilla.org/blog/extensions-for-cleaning-up-a-chaotic-desktop/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://addons.mozilla.org/blog/extensions-for-cleaning-up-a-chaotic-desktop/
05:11 TR Bot; Extensions for cleaning up a chaotic desktop - Firefox Add-ons Blog
05:12 DaemonFC; So this is not a bug? They did this knowing what would happen!
05:12 DaemonFC; "Recommendation: Third-party applications should limit themselves to depending on standard icon names listed at https://specifications.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html only. All other icons should be installed by your app to guarantee that they don't disappear out from under you."
05:12 TR Bot; Icon Naming Specification
05:12 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, ^ I'm going to write about this.
05:12 schestowitz-TR; ok
05:12 TR News; Latest Showcases of Arduino Projects Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163402
05:12 TR Bot; Latest Showcases of Arduino Projects | Tux Machines
05:13 DaemonFC; "gnome-icon-theme is just an obsolete, older version of adwaita-icon-theme. Installing it is not recommended, but it is still hanging around in Fedora in case you need it."
05:13 DaemonFC; What are you supposed to do? Use broken apps that have invisible buttons!?
05:13 schestowitz-TR; move to an apple os
05:13 schestowitz-TR; where the most customisation you can get is "dark mode"
05:14 DaemonFC; The Flatpaks apparently work because they bundle what they need in order to run, and the runtime has the icons that they use.
05:14 activelow; (mandatory) adwaita icon theme created a nasty depency graph, against SVG, and some other stuff including c++
05:14 activelow; which isn't critical; nonetheless, GTK was written in C, not C++, that's why it is sad
05:15 activelow; because i hoped GTK could remain inside the base system
05:15 DaemonFC; So Fedora has broken Transmission, Deluge, and QBittorrent.
05:15 DaemonFC; But not VLC.
05:15 TR News; What does this have to do with security? When "Senior Product Manager" with "a wide breadth of technical marketing expertise" writes stuff... https://www.suse.com/c/open-source-security-for-ibm-z16/
05:15 Alternative link; CloudFlare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/open-source-security-for-ibm-z16/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.suse.com/c/open-source-security-for-ibm-z16/
05:15 TR Bot; Open Source Security with SUSE and the new IBM z16 | SUSE Communities
05:16 activelow; some years ago a C-compiler sufficed, for X11/GTK, not anymore
05:16 TR News; Samsung devices incorrectly handle CSS @media hover queries https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/css-media-hover-samsung.html bug reports become blog posts?
05:16 TR Bot; Samsung devices incorrectly handle CSS @media hover queries
05:17 activelow; too, the entire (La|Xe)TeX tree of packages require C++; Knuth rejected c++, however i had not seen any original TeX components anymore inside gentoo tree
05:18 activelow; ghostscript and gnuplot was another one, which i hoped remain inside base system, and cannot yet
05:18 TR News; Openwashing https://opensource.com/open-organization/22/4/essence-of-openness-norberg-review
05:18 TR Bot; 4 questions about the essence of openness
05:22 TR News; After being ousted from his own company https://techcrunch-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/techcrunch.com/2022/03/30/docker-founder-launches-dagger-a-new-devops-platform/amp/
05:22 TR Bot; Docker founder launches Dagger, a new DevOps platform TechCrunch
05:23 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163403
05:23 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
05:24 TR News; They should ban Microsoft and Windows if they're true to their mission https://www.fosslife.org/us-bureau-cyberspace-and-digital-policy-launched see http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
05:24 TR Bot; U.S. Bureau of Cyberspace and Digital Policy Launched
05:24 TR Bot; Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights
05:25 TR News; "Designed by Smart Bee Designs, the tiny Bee Motion Mini combines an ESP32-C3 wireless RISC-V SoC with a PIR sensor for motion detection reporting over WiFi, Bluetooth LE, or Bluetooh Mesh." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/05/bee-motion-mini-esp32-c3-pir-sensor-board/
05:25 Alternative link; CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/05/bee-motion-mini-esp32-c3-pir-sensor-board/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/05/bee-motion-mini-esp32-c3-pir-sensor-board/
05:25 TR Bot; Bee Motion Mini board combines ESP32-C3 with PIR sensor - CNX Software
05:28 DaemonFC; "Hi,
05:28 DaemonFC; for what it's worth, the "dialog-question" is part of the
05:28 DaemonFC; specification, still the console snippet Philip pasted in his mail
05:28 DaemonFC; shows an abort on it:"
05:28 DaemonFC; :)
05:29 DaemonFC; So you should follow the specification, which they have also violated with the icon pack changes.
05:29 DaemonFC; Well, that clarifies things.
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05:34 DaemonFC; Seems that once one icon fails to load, they all fail to load. So in removing "dialog-question", the GNOME developers have broken anything that tries to load it, even though it's part of the specification, and the other icons the program is trying to load may still be there.
05:34 DaemonFC; :)
05:39 DaemonFC; "I'm happy to report that all of the HARDWARE works wonderfully, and Fedora manages to brush all of those unsightly UEFI bugs under the rug with a spiffy bootsplash."
05:39 DaemonFC; "(In Debian, there's an awkward transition between the GRUB bootloader and the Debian splash screen where Lenovo's UEFI BIOS vomits out a couple of dozen errors, which the Linux kernel prints to the screen. They're there even if you use Windows, but Microsoft hides them to make Lenovo look less dodgy.)"
05:41 TR News; Social control media -- no matter if federated, or decentralised, or peer to peer, or "open source", or free/libre -- is generally a waste of time. Hard to maintain, distracting, and totally not worth it. Set up blogs, use RSS feeds. Vastly better.
05:41 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163404
05:41 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
05:42 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, The triple buffering patch in GNOME Shell 42 seems to make a huge difference in how fast the Shell renders things to the screen.
05:45 DaemonFC; Fedora is using BtrFS with Compression now.
05:45 DaemonFC; Not "force" though. So it basically tests a little of each file it wants to write and if it's not compressing well, it just gives up and commits it to the disk without making a full pass.
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05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 89.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 430.90
06:06 DaemonFC; I like what I've seen lately with the BtrFS work.
06:06 DaemonFC; There have been a lot of deletions of some really dodgy driver-specific code, and it's using the Linux VFS in more places now.
06:09 DaemonFC; Nice. Lutris is in the default Fedora repo.
06:10 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: I read yours, you read mine?
06:10 DaemonFC; Yeah
06:10 schestowitz-TR; still finalising mine
06:10 schestowitz-TR; you were right
06:10 schestowitz-TR; I was wrong
06:10 DaemonFC; I'm not sure that GNOME software will ever work right.
06:10 schestowitz-TR; social control media is BS
06:11 schestowitz-TR; but you are still on FB
06:11 DaemonFC; Barely.
06:11 DaemonFC; Mostly to harass my dad and AppleInsider.
06:11 DaemonFC; :)
06:12 DaemonFC; GNOME Software be all like: "Not sure if really fucked or just looks like fucked and will eventually install your app."
06:13 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Elon Musk is Twitter jumping the shark.
06:14 schestowitz-TR; yes
06:14 schestowitz-TR; I saw that
06:14 schestowitz-TR; saudis
06:14 schestowitz-TR; gates
06:14 schestowitz-TR; now musk
06:14 DaemonFC; Why would he want to buy it to own it? That's essentially what his SEC filing said. Long Term Investor
06:14 schestowitz-TR; this is what Twitter is FOR
06:14 schestowitz-TR; But I did not mention it
06:14 schestowitz-TR; draft ready:
06:14 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/social-control-media-is-junk/
06:14 TR Bot; Thoughts on Quitting Social Control Media, One Month Later | Techrights
06:14 schestowitz; now a bunch of fools are jumping for Musk
06:14 schestowitz; to make him richer
06:15 schestowitz; giving him "content"
06:15 schestowitz; not me...
06:15 schestowitz; DaemonFC: see the above, it's short
06:15 DaemonFC; Mandy puts our pictures on his Facebook account.
06:15 DaemonFC; You know MARISOL is seeing this.
06:16 DaemonFC; I've told him. He won't stop.
06:17 DaemonFC; "USENET" Not really a form of social control. In fact, the ISPs stopped providing free access to it because no corporation was going to centralize and control it, and use it to vomit advertisements all over your screen.
06:17 DaemonFC; And if you got kicked off of one NNTP server, then there were a million others where that came from.
06:18 DaemonFC; And if your USENET provider went away, there were more. It's a layer of the Internet. As long as you have _an_ ISP, it works.
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06:19 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I wish someone would make a peer-to-peer social media that didn't require servers or put anyone in control.
06:19 DaemonFC; It seems like an idea whose time came years ago and nobody ever did it.
06:20 DaemonFC; When Musk says he wants Free Speech, he just means he wants to say whatever HE wants.
06:20 DaemonFC; It's never going to be no rules for you.
06:21 DaemonFC; Musk gets away with showing his ass to the IRS and the SEC and nothing happens and then he complains he's being persecuted, which is therefore a delusion or he knows it's bullshit and says it anyway.
06:22 DaemonFC; "A lot of free video hosting will shut down or become like television (broadcast conglomerates with advertising)."
06:23 DaemonFC; Yes, YouTube is turning into a streaming app. I'm guessing the end of "user content" is near.
06:23 DaemonFC; PornHub was fine with looking the other way while people uploaded anything they wanted to.
06:24 DaemonFC; Then they cleared it all out and said it was because there may have been some CP that slipped in, so here go people's entire accounts and hundreds or thousands of terabytes of stuff, ruining some people's way of making a living even.
06:24 DaemonFC; And sure that was a porn site, but YouTube will do the same thing with user content.
06:24 DaemonFC; They got where they are now, and now they don't need it.
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06:26 schestowitz-TR; right
06:26 schestowitz-TR; I agree
06:27 schestowitz-TR; Mandy is a liability in this regard
06:27 schestowitz-TR; you should both agree on what's uploaded
06:27 schestowitz-TR; rianne and I upload no photos unless BOTH of us review it
06:27 DaemonFC; https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=4d1b97f9ce7c0d2af2bb85b12d48e6902172a28e
06:27 TR Bot; kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree
06:27 schestowitz-TR; and it goes into our own site, not ClearviewBook (FB)
06:28 TR News; Thoughts on Quitting Social Control Media, One Month Later... | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/social-control-media-is-junk/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/06/social-control-media-is-junk/
06:28 TR Bot; Thoughts on Quitting Social Control Media, One Month Later | Techrights
06:28 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I'm getting a $400 check from Facebook apparently.
06:29 DaemonFC; It was the Illinois BIPA law that brought down Facial Recognition.
06:29 DaemonFC; They decided to get rid of it after losing all of that money.
06:30 TR News; Shilling Microsoft spying on Gemini? Not good optics :/ "linkedin is my favorite social network right now." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
06:30 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: I hope millions will cash in on this
06:30 schestowitz-TR; to cause FB noticeable financial damage
06:31 DaemonFC; They said if the first round of checks doesn't deplete the money, we get another round of checks with more.
06:31 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buYrBbwyCGE
06:31 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=buYrBbwyCGE
06:31 TR Bot; yewtu.be | I Can't Decide - Invidious
06:32 DaemonFC; I remembered this when I was rewatching Doctor Who.
06:32 TR News; There are now about 2,300 known Gemini capsules gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
06:32 kingoffrance; yes, its a mystery broadband became widespread and p2p vanished.
06:32 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: notice how:
06:33 kingoffrance; naturally should be the other way around
06:33 schestowitz-TR; youtube won't yield a title
06:33 schestowitz-TR; demands javscript
06:33 schestowitz-TR; won't give title unless you run proprietary program
06:33 schestowitz-TR; unless you use a decent browser like librewolf, expect many ads
06:33 schestowitz-TR; gulagtube was a GIANT bair and switch
06:34 schestowitz-TR; I see channels with like 100,000 "subscribers" and not even 1000 views
06:34 schestowitz-TR; makes you wonder how they distribute their traffic
06:34 schestowitz-TR; 'traffic-shaping'\
06:34 schestowitz-TR; Twitter does the same
06:34 schestowitz-TR; people who follow you barely see anything you post
06:34 schestowitz-TR; it's "not profitable"
06:35 schestowitz-TR; notification in twitter are not RECOMMENDATIONS
06:35 schestowitz-TR; they RECOMMEND things to you
06:35 schestowitz-TR; instead of actual notifications
06:37 DaemonFC; Fedora is still building Firefox with GCC.
06:37 DaemonFC; Debian switched to Clang/LLVM.
06:40 DaemonFC; Just noticed that.
06:52 schestowitz; DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/twitter-is-spam/
06:52 TR Bot; Musks Bubble: Twitter Notifications Turned Into SPAM and Recommendations (to Drive Up Engagement by Adding Noise) | Techrights
06:52 schestowitz; see imagte
06:52 schestowitz; report typos ;-)
06:52 schestowitz; I'm still checking
06:57 TR News; Musks Bubble: Twitter Notifications Turned Into SPAM and Recommendations (to Drive Up Engagement by Adding Noise) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/twitter-is-spam/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/06/twitter-is-spam/
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.93 k/sec., IPFS upstream 91.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 311.08
07:01 TR News; According to statcounter, GNU/Linux is now over 5% on desktops/laptops
07:02 TR News; Of course the share of GNU/Linux is greater than Apple's in many countries, e.g. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/poland/#monthly-200901-202204
07:02 Alternative link; CloudFlare: statcounter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/poland/#monthly-200901-202204 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/poland/#monthly-200901-202204
07:02 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share Poland | Statcounter Global Stats
07:08 DaemonFC; Looks good. Must get going.
07:08 DaemonFC; bbiab
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07:49 TR News; Ghostscript 9.56.1 Released with Apple Raster Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163405
07:49 TR Bot; Ghostscript 9.56.1 Released with Apple Raster Support | Tux Machines
07:51 TR News; Ghostscript 9.56.1 Released with Apple Raster Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163405
07:51 TR News; Firefox 99 Brings New ReaderMode Feature and Security Fixes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163406
07:51 TR Bot; Firefox 99 Brings New ReaderMode Feature and Security Fixes | Tux Machines
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07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 16.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 353.55
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08:22 TR News; Musks Bubble: Twitter Notifications Turned Into SPAM and Recommendations (to Drive Up Engagement by Adding Noise) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/twitter-is-spam/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/06/twitter-is-spam/
08:39 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, April 05, 2022 | Techrights <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/irc-log-050422/"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
08:39 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, April 05, 2022 | Techrights
08:39 TR News; Just 2 IPv4 Addresses for a Planet With Almost 2 People | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/ipv4-limits/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/06/ipv4-limits/
08:39 TR Bot; Just 2 IPv4 Addresses for a Planet With Almost 2 People | Techrights
08:41 TR News; Still no mention from RMS of his upcoming FSF talk https://stallman.org/talks.html
08:41 TR Bot; Talks - Richard Stallman
08:48 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163407
08:48 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
08:54 TR News; Privacy-focused Linux distro Tails 5 Beta now available for download with many critical security bug fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163379#comment-33284
08:54 TR Bot; Tails 5.0 Enters Beta Testing as First Release Based on Debian GNU/Linux 11 Bullseye | Tux Machines
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 37.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 34.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 323.33
09:05 TR News; NuTyX 22.04.1 available with cards 2.5.0 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163408
09:05 TR Bot; NuTyX 22.04.1 available with cards 2.5.0 | Tux Machines
09:13 TR News; New Raspberry Pi: Compute Module 4S Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163409
09:13 TR Bot; New Raspberry Pi: Compute Module 4S | Tux Machines
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09:34 TR News; "How do you prove that you know something secret without revealing the secret?" https://matt-rickard.com/zero-knowledge-proofs/
09:34 Alternative link; CloudFlare: matt-rickard.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/zero-knowledge-proofs/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://matt-rickard.com/zero-knowledge-proofs/
09:34 TR Bot; Zero Knowledge Proofs
09:35 TR News; "The new audio confirms that the speed of sound is slower on Mars than on Earth, a result that was expected since the motion of acoustic waves" https://www.vice.com/en/article/dyp9pa/sound-on-mars-has-a-unique-and-extremely-trippy-property-recordings-reveal
09:35 TR Bot; Sound on Mars Has a 'Unique' And Extremely Trippy Property, Recordings Reveal
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09:40 TR News; "digitized test result certificate which can be used as proof" https://www.who.int/news/item/31-03-2022-who-launches-guidance-on-digitally-documenting-sars-cov-2-test-results
09:40 Alternative link; CloudFlare: who.int | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.who.int/news/item/31-03-2022-who-launches-guidance-on-digitally-documenting-sars-cov-2-test-results https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.who.int/news/item/31-03-2022-who-launches-guidance-on-digitally-documenting-sars-cov-2-test-results
09:40 TR Bot; WHO launches guidance on digitally documenting SARS-CoV-2 test results
09:41 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/google-blames-microsoft-monoculture-for-govt-security-problems.html
09:41 Alternative link; CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/google-blames-microsoft-monoculture-for-govt-security-problems.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/google-blames-microsoft-monoculture-for-govt-security-problems.html
09:41 TR Bot; - Google blames Microsoft 'monoculture' for govt security problems
09:42 TR News; "Have a look at our roadmap to see where we are heading to" https://tails.boum.org/news/version_4.29/index.en.html
09:42 TR Bot; Tails - Tails 4.29 is out
09:42 TR News; "Australia's news media bargaining code is being reviewed after its first year of operation, but the Federal Government has signalled that it will not force any company that has not adhered to the requirements of the code to do so." https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/news-media-code-review-will-go-easy-on-facebook-again.html
09:42 Alternative link; CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/news-media-code-review-will-go-easy-on-facebook-again.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/news-media-code-review-will-go-easy-on-facebook-again.html
09:43 TR Bot; - News media code review will go easy on Facebook again
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09:44 TR News; "As WikiLeaks founder and publisher Julian Assange remains in the UK's Belmarsh Prison, waiting for the next move in the US bid to extradite him" https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/strategy/wikileaks-marks-12-years-since-release-of-collateral-murder-video.html
09:44 Alternative link; CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/strategy/wikileaks-marks-12-years-since-release-of-collateral-murder-video.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/strategy/wikileaks-marks-12-years-since-release-of-collateral-murder-video.html
09:44 TR Bot; - WikiLeaks marks 12 years since release of Collateral Murder video
09:46 TR News; Rocannon's World by Ursula K. Le Guin gemini://calcuode.com/gemlog/2021-01-19_rocannons-world.gmi
09:47 TR News; Major lifestyle changes are required to stop global warming https://today.rtl.lu/news/luxembourg/a/1893347.html
09:47 TR Bot; RTL Today - Luxembourg IPCC Representative: Major lifestyle changes are required to stop global warming, says Andrew Ferrone
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09:49 TR News; "Ministers said last year that privatization would help secure Channel 4's future as a public service broadcaster" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/05/media/channel-4-uk-privatization/index.html
09:49 Alternative link; CloudFlare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/05/media/channel-4-uk-privatization/index.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/05/media/channel-4-uk-privatization/index.html
09:49 TR Bot; Channel 4: UK government to privatize public service broadcaster - CNN
09:49 TR News; "Last week, the EU reached an agreement on a core piece of platform regulation, the Digital Markets Act." https://felixreda.eu/2022/04/digital-markets-act-publishers-ancillary-copyright/
09:49 TR Bot; Felix Reda Digital Markets Act: Dispute over press publishers shows whats wrong with EU legislation
09:50 TR News; Oligarch "Bloomberg opinion suggested we give Amazon and Facebook a seat at the United Nations as commercial superpowers" https://alirezahayati.com/2022/04/04/give-amazon-and-facebook-more-power-human-idiocy-has-no-limit-whatsoever/
09:50 TR Bot; Give Amazon and Facebook more power? Human idiocy has no limit whatsoever! - Ali Reza Hayati
09:53 TR News; russian
09:53 TR News; russian
09:53 TR News; Misinformation/Disinformation thrives online https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/russian-propaganda-zelensky-information-war/629475/
09:53 Alternative link; CloudFlare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/russian-propaganda-zelensky-information-war/629475/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/russian-propaganda-zelensky-information-war/629475/
09:53 TR Bot; Stop Saying Ukraine Is Winning the Information War - The Atlantic
09:53 TR News; Boycott Twitter https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/5/23011810/elon-musk-twitter-sec-board-member-moderation
09:53 TR Bot; Elon Musktweeted his way onto Twitters board now what? - The Verge
09:54 SomeH4x0r; corporations, the big evil, is winning
09:54 TR News; Boycott Twitter https://www.salon.com/2022/04/05/elon-musk-blows-up-twitter-with-board-of-directors-announcement/
09:54 Alternative link; CloudFlare: salon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2022/04/05/elon-musk-blows-up-twitter-with-board-of-directors-announcement/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.salon.com/2022/04/05/elon-musk-blows-up-twitter-with-board-of-directors-announcement/
09:54 TR Bot; Musk blows up Twitter with board of directors announcement | Salon.com
09:54 SomeH4x0r; it is not on either side
09:54 SomeH4x0r; just money matters for them
09:54 SomeH4x0r; they will make whatever political claims to earn more
09:54 TR News; Twitter is worthless. Graft scammers make a bubble, as usual. https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/market/twitter-shares-soar-after-elon-musk-9-2-stake-revealed.html
09:54 Alternative link; CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/market/twitter-shares-soar-after-elon-musk-9-2-stake-revealed.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/market/twitter-shares-soar-after-elon-musk-9-2-stake-revealed.html
09:54 TR Bot; - Twitter shares soar after Elon Musk 9.2% stake revealed
09:55 TR News; "Twitter is shifting the way it does business, moving away from ad-generated revenue and into the crypto and NFT" (IOW a SCAM) https://screenrant.com/elon-musk-twitter-investment-crypto-project/
09:55 TR Bot; Did Elon Musk Buy His Way Into Twitter For Its Crypto Project?
09:56 TR News; ">The focus this time is about the practicalities of the user facing shell the cancerous and confused mass that hides behind the seemingly harmless command-line prompt." https://arcan-fe.com/2022/04/02/the-day-of-a-new-command-line-interface-shell
09:57 TR Bot; The Day of a new Command-Line Interface: Shell | Arcan
09:58 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; theyre winning because weve let them rig the entire world in their favour
09:58 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; that needs to change
09:58 TR News; "Often these are journalists already established in their home country. But some like Zubova are new to the profession and learning on the job" https://www.voanews.com/a/from-exporting-goods-to-the-news-ukrainians-swap-day-jobs-for-journalism/6514865.html
09:58 TR Bot; From Exporting Goods to the News: Ukrainians Swap Day Jobs for Journalism
09:59 TR News; And if you sue and the police loses, you (the taxpayer) will pay https://text.npr.org/1090857790
09:59 TR Bot; Supreme Court makes it easier to sue the police for malicious prosecution
09:59 Alternative link; CloudFlare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1090857790 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://text.npr.org/1090857790
10:02 TR News; Patents are again killing millions of people to increase profit https://www.democracynow.org/2022/4/5/poor_peoples_campaign_2022_pandemic_report
10:02 TR Bot; A Poor Peoples Pandemic: Report Reveals Poor Died from COVID at Twice the Rate of Wealthy in U.S. | Democracy Now!
10:02 TR News; Purism: A Vision in Focus Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163410
10:02 TR Bot; Purism: A Vision in Focus | Tux Machines
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10:12 TR News; Waiting for the Boat to Sink or Disembarking Early | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/no-free-lunch/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/06/no-free-lunch/
10:12 TR Bot; Waiting for the Boat to Sink or Disembarking Early | Techrights
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10:13 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; just catching up
10:13 a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream; lol
10:13 *a_taco_that_shits_ice_cream is now known as matey
10:13 TR News; "International music industry group IFPI has submitted its recommendations for the EU's upcoming 'Counterfeit and Piracy Watch List." https://torrentfreak.com/music-industry-flags-discord-and-reddit-as-primary-piracy-threats-220405/
↺ https://torrentfreak.com/music-industry-flags-discord-and-reddit-as-primary-piracy-threats-220405/
10:13 Alternative link; CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/music-industry-flags-discord-and-reddit-as-primary-piracy-threats-220405/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/music-industry-flags-discord-and-reddit-as-primary-piracy-threats-220405/
10:13 TR Bot; Industry Flags Discord and Reddit as Primary Piracy Threats * TorrentFreak
10:13 matey; gnome is gnome-19
10:13 matey; i was right about twitter (for now)
10:14 matey; oh, and debian is leaving behind gcc (i mean, they wont stop here)
10:14 matey; put it in your talk, rms
10:14 matey; nope, you wont
10:15 matey; hopefully trisquel has their own build of firefux
10:16 matey; otherwise theyll be just a little more of a farce. again.
10:16 matey; rms: llvm/clang has only one purpose, to not be copyleft
10:17 matey; trisquel: lets base on ubuntu
10:17 matey; hilarity ensues
10:17 matey; moot (and nicely so) if trisquel actually builds the entire repo
10:17 matey; never was clear if they do that or just mirror packages that arent on the blacklist
10:18 matey; should have a poke at some repos and check dates and hashes
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10:21 TR News; Links 05/04/2022: NuTyX 22.04.1 and Ghostscript 9.56.1 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/nutyx-22-04-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/06/nutyx-22-04-1/
10:21 TR Bot; Links 05/04/2022: NuTyX 22.04.1 and Ghostscript 9.56.1 | Techrights
10:21 TR News; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Logic Pro Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163411
10:23 TR Bot; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Logic Pro | Tux Machines
10:23 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163412
10:23 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
10:23 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163413
10:23 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
10:24 TR News; Mozilla Firefox 99.0: here is what is new http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163382#comment-33285
10:24 TR Bot; Firefox 99 Released with GTK Overlay Scrollbar Support, Fixes | Tux Machines
10:26 schestowitz-TR; basing on Ubuntu is doable
10:27 schestowitz-TR; but might be pointless
10:27 schestowitz-TR; as it's debian+snap and other crap
10:27 schestowitz-TR; and lots of ICBM crap via Fedora
10:27 schestowitz-TR; it's NOT as bad as Windows
10:27 schestowitz-TR; that's the main selling point
10:27 schestowitz-TR; here's our marketing slogan
10:27 schestowitz-TR; "LINUX: NOT AS BAD AS WINDOWS!"
10:29 TR News; Social control media is generally a waste of time; no president (or state leader) was ousted because of the number of likes (theyre not even a currency) and all Social Control Media Web sites are short-lived bubbles of disorganised (mis)information http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/social-control-media-is-junk/
10:29 TR Bot; Thoughts on Quitting Social Control Media, One Month Later | Techrights
10:29 TR News; Twitter isnt means of communication; Twitter looks like a dying platform desperate for attention; the above is an annotated screenshot of my notifications bar this morning (theres more noise than signal) http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/twitter-is-spam/
10:29 TR Bot; Musks Bubble: Twitter Notifications Turned Into SPAM and Recommendations (to Drive Up Engagement by Adding Noise) | Techrights
10:30 TR News; This talk is about the IPv4 Unicast Extensions Project, which is proposing software and standards changes to eventually make reserved addresses usable." http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/ipv4-limits/
10:30 TR Bot; Just 2 IPv4 Addresses for a Planet With Almost 2 People | Techrights
10:30 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163414
10:30 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
10:31 TR News; The free platforms one can sign up for online (GitHub, Twitter, YouTube and so on) arent free at all; their true cost is becoming more apparent over time http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/no-free-lunch/
10:31 TR Bot; Waiting for the Boat to Sink or Disembarking Early | Techrights
10:32 SomeH4x0r; stop reproduction
10:32 SomeH4x0r; and drop a few nuclear bombs
10:33 schestowitz-TR; you don't need both
10:34 schestowitz-TR; the likelihood of the second grows as a result of the first
10:35 TR News; antitrust reform https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/senator-ken-buck-threatens-to-use-antitrust-to-attack-woke-apple/ Apple is NOT "woke". Apple is aggressive, oppressive, militaristic.
10:35 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/senator-ken-buck-threatens-to-use-antitrust-to-attack-woke-apple/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/senator-ken-buck-threatens-to-use-antitrust-to-attack-woke-apple/
10:35 TR Bot; Ken Buck Threatens To Use Antitrust To Attack Woke Apple | Techdirt
10:36 TR News; Quit calling tech companies "liberal"; you clearly know nothing about liberalism. http://techrights.org/2020/06/13/bill-gates-not-a-liberal/
10:36 TR Bot; Quit Calling Bill Gates a Liberal | Techrights
10:36 TR News; "Weve already talked about how Georgia looks to be moving forward with its clearly unconstitutional content moderation bill." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/florida-has-already-wasted-over-700k-of-taxpayer-funds-defending-its-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/
10:36 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/florida-has-already-wasted-over-700k-of-taxpayer-funds-defending-its-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/florida-has-already-wasted-over-700k-of-taxpayer-funds-defending-its-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/
10:36 TR Bot; Has Already Wasted Over $700k Of Taxpayer Funds Defending Its Unconstitutional Content Moderation Bill | Techdirt
10:37 TR News; "Obituaries for Albright in the mainstream media described the expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as her greatest diplomatic achievement." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/albright-and-clinton-two-peas-in-the-pod-of-liberal-interventionism/
10:37 Alternative link; CloudFlare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/albright-and-clinton-two-peas-in-the-pod-of-liberal-interventionism/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/albright-and-clinton-two-peas-in-the-pod-of-liberal-interventionism/
10:37 TR Bot; and Clinton: Two Peas in the Pod of Liberal Interventionism - CounterPunch.org
10:38 TR News; "At its origins, we were promised the entry to The Golden Age of Computer Networks. Instead, what emerged under capitalism was the Internet becoming [...] gold mine for a handful of corporations." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/three-internet-creating-ideologies/
10:38 Alternative link; CloudFlare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/three-internet-creating-ideologies/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/three-internet-creating-ideologies/
10:38 TR Bot; Internet-Creating Ideologies - CounterPunch.org
10:39 mjg59_; I feel like criticising NATO expansionism while Russia is invading a country that had expressly indicated it wanted to be part of NATO is a bit tone deaf?
10:40 TR News; Has Bezos Post commented on it yet? https://truthout.org/articles/amazon-will-ban-words-like-union-living-wage-in-worker-app-documents-find/ https://truthout.org/articles/bernie-sanders-hails-growing-union-movement-as-an-antidote-to-oligarchy/
10:40 Alternative link; CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/amazon-will-ban-words-like-union-living-wage-in-worker-app-documents-find/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/amazon-will-ban-words-like-union-living-wage-in-worker-app-documents-find/
10:40 TR Bot; Amazon Will Ban Words Like Union, Living Wage in Worker App, Documents Find
10:40 TR Bot; Bernie Sanders Hails Growing Union Movement as an Antidote to Oligarchy
10:41 TR News; More on SweatshopZone ttps://truthout.org/articles/amazon-workers-at-over-50-buildings-have-contacted-the-union-about-organizing/
10:41 TR News; "Sen. Bernie Sanders delivered a floor speech on Monday hailing the growing wave of union victories across the United States" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/sanders-hails-growing-union-movement-threat-oligarchy-and-corporate-greed
10:41 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/sanders-hails-growing-union-movement-threat-oligarchy-and-corporate-greed https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/sanders-hails-growing-union-movement-threat-oligarchy-and-corporate-greed
10:41 TR Bot; Sanders Hails Growing Union Movement as Threat to 'Oligarchy and Corporate Greed'
10:42 TR News; "SweatshopZone spent over $4 million in trying to defeat the union drive." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/the-growing-union-movement/
10:42 Alternative link; CloudFlare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/the-growing-union-movement/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/the-growing-union-movement/
10:42 TR Bot; Growing Union Movement - CounterPunch.org
10:43 TR News; "The first step is to see if youre already technically buzzword compliant. Do you have an existing system or product that fits that buzzword?" https://mwl.io/archives/15562
10:44 TR Bot; Kickstarter and Blockchain Michael Warren Lucas
10:44 TR News; "I use a very custom desktop which requires me to do a lot of stuff by hand that's probably covered automatically (or with a general setting) by more standard desktops. With that said, the three big areas that I had to change were font selections, window sizes, and window positions." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/HiDPIMyXSettingsII
10:44 Alternative link; CloudFlare: utoronto.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/HiDPIMyXSettingsII https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/HiDPIMyXSettingsII
10:44 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/HiDPIMyXSettingsII
10:44 TR News; "My answer was easy: HTML. And I wasnt being sarcastic or mocking in the least. Sure, I pretty much know which tags to use in which instances and how to keep my HTML mostly semantic and accessible" https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2022/03/html-attributes-you-never-use/
10:44 Alternative link; CloudFlare: smashingmagazine.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2022/03/html-attributes-you-never-use/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2022/03/html-attributes-you-never-use/
10:44 TR Bot; Those HTML Attributes You Never Use Smashing Magazine
10:45 schestowitz; mjg59_: https://geographicalimaginations.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/backpage-11601.jpg?w=584
10:47 TR News; He would just completely disengage, lie on the floor, start playing with the toys, literally turn his back to the computer, try to close it, said mother Julia Toof of her son, who, at the time, was just shy of 3-years-old. It just didnt work. https://www.projectcensored.org/how-mask-wearing-to-prevent-spread-of-covid-19-impacts-children-in-speech-therapy/
10:47 Alternative link; CloudFlare: projectcensored.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.projectcensored.org/how-mask-wearing-to-prevent-spread-of-covid-19-impacts-children-in-speech-therapy/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.projectcensored.org/how-mask-wearing-to-prevent-spread-of-covid-19-impacts-children-in-speech-therapy/
10:47 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/how-mask-wearing-to-prevent-spread-of-covid-19-impacts-children-in-speech-therapy/ )
10:48 TR News; Elementary OS Faces Uncertain Future After Co-Founder Split http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162346#comment-33286
10:48 TR Bot; elementary OS is imploding | Tux Machines
10:49 TR News; EFF wrote this WHILE TAKING MONEY FROM GULAG https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/google-fights-dragnet-warrant-users-search-histories-overseas-while-continuing
10:49 TR Bot; Google Fights Dragnet Warrant for Users Search Histories Overseas While Continuing to Give Data to Police in the U.S. | Electronic Frontier Foundation
10:50 TR News; flintfox has just killed itself https://itwire.com/it-people-news/people-moves/flintfox-appoints-microsoft-veteran-chris-dieringer-as-chief-customer-officer.html
10:50 Alternative link; CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/it-people-news/people-moves/flintfox-appoints-microsoft-veteran-chris-dieringer-as-chief-customer-officer.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/it-people-news/people-moves/flintfox-appoints-microsoft-veteran-chris-dieringer-as-chief-customer-officer.html
10:50 TR Bot; - Flintfox appoints Microsoft veteran Chris Dieringer as chief customer officer
10:51 TR News; The guitarist who saved hundreds of people on a sinking cruise liner - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-60841291 Source: bbc
10:51 TR Bot; The guitarist who saved hundreds of people on a sinking cruise liner - BBC News
10:52 mjg59_; schestowitz: Sorry, is this supposed to indicate that NATO has engaged in genocide?
10:53 schestowitz-TR; Roy: US has over 1,000 military bases worldwide
10:53 mjg59_; schestowitz: It wouldn't surprise me, but I'm not aware of any cases where NATO operations have been documented to execute tied up civilians
10:53 schestowitz-TR; Matt the Empire Guy: Roy, are you defending genocide???
10:53 schestowitz-TR; reminds me why I should just ignore you
10:53 mjg59_; I'm trying to understand the point you're making!
10:53 schestowitz-TR; don't wtry
10:53 schestowitz-TR; leave me alone
10:54 *ziraffep has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
10:54 mjg59_; Right now a country that wanted to join NATO to defend itself against a hostile neighbour has been invaded by that neighbour
10:54 mjg59_; Would it have been better or worse for them to have joined NATO?
10:56 TR News; "On March 9th, we covered a Virginia courts decision to reject a geofence/reverse warrant as unconstitutional." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/law-prof-suggests-geofence-warrants-are-a-net-gain-for-the-public-even-if-they-invert-the-probable-cause-standard/
10:56 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/law-prof-suggests-geofence-warrants-are-a-net-gain-for-the-public-even-if-they-invert-the-probable-cause-standard/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/law-prof-suggests-geofence-warrants-are-a-net-gain-for-the-public-even-if-they-invert-the-probable-cause-standard/
10:56 TR Bot; Prof Suggests Geofence Warrants Are A Net Gain For The Public, Even If They Invert The Probable Cause Standard | Techdirt
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 105.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 230.70
11:02 TR News; "Inflation is at a 40-year peak." https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/as-prices-soar-we-need-action-not-spin/
11:02 Alternative link; CloudFlare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/as-prices-soar-we-need-action-not-spin/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/as-prices-soar-we-need-action-not-spin/
11:02 TR Bot; As Prices Soar, We Need ActionNot Spin | The Nation
11:02 TR News; Boycott Starbucks https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/ceo-howard-schultz-ripped-saying-starbucks-being-assaulted-unionization
11:02 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/ceo-howard-schultz-ripped-saying-starbucks-being-assaulted-unionization https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/ceo-howard-schultz-ripped-saying-starbucks-being-assaulted-unionization
11:02 TR Bot; CEO Howard Schultz Ripped for Saying Starbucks 'Being Assaulted' by Unionization
11:05 TR News; Stop saying "Big Tech"; you help the lobbying of Microsoft criminals https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/big-tech-congress/
11:05 Alternative link; CloudFlare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/big-tech-congress/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/big-tech-congress/
11:05 TR Bot; Big Tech Is Making an Investment in Congress | The Nation
11:06 TR News; "Normally when discussing a company that has appeared on our pages before for being a trademark bully" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/monster-energy-suing-a-fishing-gear-company-claiming-customer-confusion/
11:06 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/monster-energy-suing-a-fishing-gear-company-claiming-customer-confusion/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/monster-energy-suing-a-fishing-gear-company-claiming-customer-confusion/
11:06 TR Bot; Energy Suing A Fishing Gear Company Claiming Customer Confusion | Techdirt
11:06 TR News; israel exports malware https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/clearview-ai-walks-back-earlier-claims-is-now-willing-to-sell-its-sketchy-product-to-anyone-with-money-and-a-pulse/
11:06 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/clearview-ai-walks-back-earlier-claims-is-now-willing-to-sell-its-sketchy-product-to-anyone-with-money-and-a-pulse/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/05/clearview-ai-walks-back-earlier-claims-is-now-willing-to-sell-its-sketchy-product-to-anyone-with-money-and-a-pulse/
11:06 TR Bot; AI Walks Back Earlier Claims, Is Now Willing To Sell Its Sketchy Product To Anyone With Money And A Pulse | Techdirt
11:08 TR News; GOP = Censorship https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/library-group-launches-anti-censorship-campaign-combat-gop-book-banning-wave
11:08 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/library-group-launches-anti-censorship-campaign-combat-gop-book-banning-wave https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/library-group-launches-anti-censorship-campaign-combat-gop-book-banning-wave
11:08 TR Bot; Library Group Launches Anti-Censorship Campaign to Combat GOP Book-Banning Wave
11:09 TR News; No money for life, just for killing people, or for war (also, more patents to kill more people for profit) https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/aid-groups-warn-more-variants-will-emerge-if-congress-kills-global-covid-funds
11:09 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/aid-groups-warn-more-variants-will-emerge-if-congress-kills-global-covid-funds https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/05/aid-groups-warn-more-variants-will-emerge-if-congress-kills-global-covid-funds
11:09 TR Bot; Aid Groups Warn 'More Variants Will Emerge' If Congress Kills Global Covid Funds
11:10 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@en9btm8dsjebe.irc) has joined #techrights
11:11 TR News; "According to the state of Georgia's Standards of Excellence for teaching the Reconstruction era to eighth-graders, students ought to "compare and contrast the goals and outcomes of the Freedmen's Bureau and the Ku Klux Klan." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/05/why-gop-very-afraid-students-learning-real-history-reconstruction
11:11 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/05/why-gop-very-afraid-students-learning-real-history-reconstruction https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/05/why-gop-very-afraid-students-learning-real-history-reconstruction
11:11 TR Bot; Opinion | Why the GOP Is Very Afraid of Students Learning the Real History of Reconstruction | Ursula Wolfe-Rocca
11:12 TR News; What GOP and Taliban have in common https://truthout.org/articles/tennessee-republicans-push-a-bill-that-would-circumvent-marriage-age-limits/
11:12 Alternative link; CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/tennessee-republicans-push-a-bill-that-would-circumvent-marriage-age-limits/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/tennessee-republicans-push-a-bill-that-would-circumvent-marriage-age-limits/
11:12 TR Bot; Tennessee Republicans Push a Bill That Would Circumvent Marriage Age Limits
11:12 schestowitz-TR; oops, posted to wrong channel
11:14 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Looks like Fedora 36 cleaned up all of the legacy "ifcfg* compatibility crap.
11:14 DaemonFC; Debian definitely still recognizes and prefers settings in legacy ifcfg format.
11:15 DaemonFC; Fedora describes them as roughly 130,000 lines of dead code that's been hanging around forever causing bugs and maintainability problems.
11:16 DaemonFC; "Not counting the massive testsuite."
11:17 schestowitz-TR; yes, I saw that
11:17 schestowitz-TR; ICBM is shit
11:17 DaemonFC; It says that they date back to initscripts, so there's another large pile of sysvinit cobwebs gone.
11:17 DaemonFC; I seriously doubt that anyone will want to maintain those now that Red Hat doesn't.
11:17 schestowitz-TR; to them,
11:17 schestowitz-TR; it's about money
11:17 schestowitz-TR; and not about supporting hardware
11:17 schestowitz-TR; Money? Keep.
11:17 schestowitz-TR; No money? Remove.
11:17 DaemonFC; Well, here's the thing.
11:17 schestowitz-TR; No sales?? STOP BEING POOR!!!
11:18 DaemonFC; Debian 11 was super sketchy on my WiFi chip.
11:18 schestowitz; lol https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/strong-job-growth-in-march-but-some-evidence-of-slowing-wage-growth/
11:18 Alternative link; CloudFlare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/strong-job-growth-in-march-but-some-evidence-of-slowing-wage-growth/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/05/strong-job-growth-in-march-but-some-evidence-of-slowing-wage-growth/
11:18 TR Bot; Job Growth in March, But Some Evidence of Slowing Wage Growth - CounterPunch.org
11:18 schestowitz-TR; it's like asking a person who recovered from COVID if s/he feels better now
11:19 DaemonFC; I've not had the kernel error about it becoming out of sync with the router and being killed and reset (causing an "activation of network connection failed" message in my notifications) under Fedora 36, so that's cool.
11:19 DaemonFC; Debian was pretty stable in most other ways though.
11:19 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: your connection still drops a lot
11:19 schestowitz-TR; "trash can"
11:19 schestowitz-TR; it can lose connection
11:20 DaemonFC; Yeah, I bought a fan to set it on.
11:20 schestowitz-TR; weird, as you live in IL iirc
11:20 schestowitz-TR; and it's spring
11:20 DaemonFC; It blows room air into the modem and out the top to prevent "modem on fire".
11:20 schestowitz-TR; those routers should be OK with a weak processors
11:20 schestowitz-TR; and you're only two connected users
11:20 schestowitz-TR; sounds like a farce of a modem
11:20 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, BitTorrent going = NOKIA GO BRRRRRRRRR
11:20 DaemonFC; :)
11:21 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
11:21 schestowitz-TR; MinceR loves your car snoises
11:21 schestowitz-TR; in words
11:21 schestowitz-TR; I cannot remember what noise that was that had him lol
11:21 DaemonFC; This 5G Home Internet Pod is a piece of fucking shit. It's the biggest piece of shit I've ever used.
11:22 DaemonFC; As far as networking goes, it's even out there ahead of the Broadcom 4318 WiFI chip.
11:22 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> I cannot remember what noise that was that had him lol
11:22 DaemonFC; It's hard to say. There's so many.
11:23 DaemonFC; I mailed my city sticker tax to "City of Potholes". They actually put "City of Progress" on the envelope so I crossed out Progress and put Potholes.
11:24 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> DaemonFC: your connection still drops a lot
11:25 DaemonFC; It's a laptop, so it's nice to have it go down when I reboot for updates or shut down for the night or something instead of the modem died or the iwlwifi module in the kernel goes "WTF is this crap!?" because Debian fed it the firmware that time forgot.
11:29 DaemonFC; iwlwifi - "I want 68.01d30b0c.0 QuZ-a0-hr-b0-68.ucode feed me 68.01d30b0c.0 QuZ-a0-hr-b0-68.ucode.". Debian: "I don't have 68.01d30b0c.0 QuZ-a0-hr-b0-68.ucode here, load iwlwifi-QuZ-a0-hr-b0-63.ucode it's from last year and Ryan went out of his way to get it for you so you didn't have to use firmware revision 62, and that was after he also went out of his way so you'd have firmware at all because Debian says "You don't need a computer that
11:29 DaemonFC; works. Why don't you love us daddy Stallman?".
11:29 schestowitz-TR; but wait
11:29 schestowitz-TR; adding the blobs is not so hard
11:29 schestowitz-TR; esp. with experience
11:30 schestowitz-TR; you put some file on usb, then insert it
11:30 DaemonFC; So them iwlwifi says "Okay, okay, give me iwlwifi-QuZ-a0-hr-b0-63.ucode.....om nom nom....I don't feel so good. SPLAT!"
11:30 schestowitz-TR; the media itself, the installer, does not have it
11:30 schestowitz-TR; it's a catch-22
11:30 schestowitz-TR; as in order o fetch things from the NETWORK you might need a blog
11:30 schestowitz-TR; to get NETWORKING going
11:30 schestowitz-TR; that's why I could not put devuan on my new laptop
11:31 DaemonFC; I have a lot of networking problems, you know.
11:31 DaemonFC; Some of them are just the lag caused by NordVPN causing the connection on IRC timing out even though I never lost my connection.
11:32 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> the media itself, the installer, does not have it
11:32 DaemonFC; The unofficial "oh you actually WANT your video chipset and wifi and SSD and sound to work?" ISO has the firmwares.
11:33 DaemonFC; But Debian is incredibly juvenile and makes you suffer for asking it for firmware.
11:33 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: it is a one-time nuisance
11:33 schestowitz-TR; it also lets you minimise blobs
11:33 DaemonFC; It throws in stuff that doesn't even support what their kernel does.
11:33 schestowitz-TR; like, if you can use free software driver for thingsa
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11:34 DaemonFC; Without blobs, I can't even get my SSD to work properly. It has one from the UEFI firmware, so it will work.
11:34 DaemonFC; But potentially with data corruption problems that were fixed in a loadable firmware that the kernel can load early on.
11:34 schestowitz-TR; the firmware comes with its own risks
11:34 DaemonFC; This is getting out of hand.
11:35 schestowitz-TR; you focus on short-term convenience
11:35 schestowitz-TR; the goal is to also get hardware companies to share the code
11:35 schestowitz-TR; realtek got a lot of bad publicity for failing
11:35 DaemonFC; There are not enough Debian users for those companies to care about.
11:35 schestowitz-TR; untrue
11:35 DaemonFC; So the situation is users not knowing what to do and having to hunt down unofficial ISOs.
11:36 schestowitz-TR; debian is used on hundreds of millions of devices, maybe a billion
11:36 schestowitz-TR; ubuntu counts too
11:36 SomeH4x0r; corporations are EVIL
11:36 DaemonFC; Fedora estimates the number of users based on who pings the update servers. It's not as accurate as if they actually tracked you. They don't.
11:36 schestowitz-TR; debian is the "uniersal OS"
11:37 SomeH4x0r; and such "universal" stuff is generally taken over by corporations
11:37 schestowitz-TR; the same installs would be used for wired-only devices
11:37 DaemonFC; Fedora supports quite a few platforms itself.
11:37 schestowitz-TR; you wrongly assume only laptop/desktop users are targeted
11:37 schestowitz-TR; their installers are foir archs
11:37 schestowitz-TR; with different level of what's PRE-included
11:37 DaemonFC; x86-64 PC, various arm systems including the Pi, and PowerPC obviously.
11:37 DaemonFC; Ubuntu only does x86-64.
11:37 schestowitz-TR; so you get it over the network when you download the ISO
11:38 schestowitz-TR; instead of over apt AFTER you download the ISO
11:38 DaemonFC; It gives Canonical less work to do because they don't delay a release because of failure to build on all of the architectures Debian has to maintain, but.....
11:38 schestowitz-TR; debian benefits from it
11:38 DaemonFC; Failure to build on something else can signal trouble on x86-64 as well. Just because it goes ahead and builds doesn't mean there's no problem.
11:38 schestowitz-TR; lots of distros are debian based
11:39 schestowitz-TR; even ones you barely know because they're for particular countries
11:39 schestowitz-TR; and then you have devices and board that have debian on them
11:39 schestowitz-TR; maybe even your modem
11:39 schestowitz-TR; maybe it's some debian thing, as nokia did based some of its operating systems on debian
11:39 schestowitz-TR; *base
11:40 schestowitz-TR; fedora did support many archs
11:40 schestowitz-TR; but ICBM lowers this
11:40 psydruid; Ubuntu does x86-64, ARM, POWER, S/390 and RISC-V
11:40 schestowitz-TR; it's about money
11:40 DaemonFC; Yeah, but if they did then nothing stops them from throwing firmwares in.
11:40 schestowitz-TR; those who obsess over "market share"
11:40 DaemonFC; It's not something they care about.
11:40 schestowitz-TR; because all that counts to them is money
11:41 schestowitz-TR; and pie charts to show shareholders
11:41 DaemonFC; Eh, at one point Ubuntu was bragging about only supporting x86.
11:41 schestowitz-TR; maybe 2004
11:41 schestowitz-TR; 32bit and 64bit
11:41 schestowitz-TR; but I think then too they had multiple
11:42 schestowitz-TR; let me check
11:42 DaemonFC; They used to send me CDs for x86-32, x86-64, and PowerPC.
11:42 schestowitz-TR; I have the original shipit CDs from 4.10
11:42 DaemonFC; So I was probably one of the first to use a 64-bit OS on a desktop PC.
11:42 schestowitz-TR; iirc, they have athlon builds
11:42 DaemonFC; Nobody was really doing that back then because there were so many hassles, including that Adobe refused to recompile Flash.
11:43 schestowitz-TR; ok, I have physically before me:
11:43 schestowitz-TR; 5.04
11:43 schestowitz-TR; and 5.10
11:43 schestowitz-TR; cannot find the 4.10
11:43 DaemonFC; Mandriva wrote a "plugin wrapper" that pretended to be a 32-bit browser on one end for Flash and a 64-bit plug-in on the other for Firefox. :P
11:43 DaemonFC; It actually worked okay considering.
11:43 schestowitz-TR; "Version 5.05 for AMD64/EM64T"
11:43 psydruid; I used Gnash in 2008
11:43 schestowitz-TR; contains live cd and install cd
11:44 DaemonFC; I've cycled back and forth between distributions over the years and I have to say this is the saddest point in time.
11:44 psydruid; 40% of a 2.4 GHz AMD Phenom core, but it worked
11:44 schestowitz-TR; 5.04: "This PC Edition will run on Intel x86-based systems (including Intel Pentium adnd AMD Athlonm")
11:44 psydruid; and 90% of a 400 PowerPC G4 core
11:45 DaemonFC; Nobody really going their own way anymore. It's always Fedora or "We grabbed all this stuff from Fedora and managed to add more bugs."..
11:45 psydruid; which made me wonder why the x86 build was much less efficient with resources
11:45 DaemonFC; Even Mageia is moving towards scuttling all of the system management utilities they inherited from Mandriva.
11:46 DaemonFC; Which is like, "What's the point in using this if it's just a Fedora clone?".
11:46 DaemonFC; urpm and the various other tooling was actually one of the bright spots of Mandriva.
11:46 bnchs; https://files.catbox.moe/fgr440.png
11:46 TR Bot; connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/fgr440.png )
11:46 bnchs; powershell vs bash
11:47 DaemonFC; The fact that instead of some fucking broken-ass thing like GNOME Software Center (It's been zero days without an accident.) or Plasma Discover (hardly any better), you had RPMdrake.
11:47 DaemonFC; And it actually worked!
11:48 DaemonFC; It's sad to hear they've been conned into giving up on RPMdrake and adopting KDE and GNOME's perpetually broken shit.
11:49 TR News; Gee, LXer knows just what GNU/Linux people want to hear about: WSL. Making the same mistake other sites made (until they perished). WSL/2/g is a progressive attack on GNU/Linux, which never succeeded. They're just gnawing away at their won budget. Even Canonical stopped mentioning it!
11:49 DaemonFC; Package management on GNOME and KDE is in a bad place right now and has been for years. Instead of just showing you packages with a description that you can check or uncheck and hit apply, they depend on "AppStream Data".
11:50 DaemonFC; Did you know if you add RPM Fusion to Fedora, none of the applications appear until you add the "appstream" packages for their two repos?
11:50 schestowitz-TR; a lot of people never install additional softwarer
11:50 schestowitz-TR; those who do likely add blobs
11:51 schestowitz-TR; that's where appimages step in
11:51 DaemonFC; On a good day, gnome software only sits there and leaks and becomes enormous. On a bad day, it also corrupts its database and doesn't remember that you uninstalled something, leaving you no way to install it again without kill -9 on its pid and then deleting its cache folder and then rebooting.
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11:51 TR News; LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga runs on Steam Deck and GNU/Linux with GE-Proton | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/lego-star-wars-the-skywalker-saga-runs-on-steam-deck-and-linux-with-ge-proton/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
11:51 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/lego-star-wars-the-skywalker-saga-runs-on-steam-deck-and-linux-with-ge-proton/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/lego-star-wars-the-skywalker-saga-runs-on-steam-deck-and-linux-with-ge-proton/
11:51 TR Bot; Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga runs on Steam Deck and Linux with GE-Proton | GamingOnLinux
11:51 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> that's where appimages step in
11:52 DaemonFC; Appimagehub is an even bigger nightmare than Flathub or Snapcraft.
11:52 DaemonFC; Especially when you consider that these things don't update or share their platform packages with anything else.
11:52 TR News; It's bad that Liam uses Discord and encourages others to do the same https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-improves-offline-mode-switching-looks-like-a-lock-screen-is-coming/
11:52 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-improves-offline-mode-switching-looks-like-a-lock-screen-is-coming/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-improves-offline-mode-switching-looks-like-a-lock-screen-is-coming/
11:52 TR Bot; Deck improves Offline Mode switching, looks like a lock screen is coming | GamingOnLinux
11:52 DaemonFC; So they waste more space, and rot and become massive security liabilities.
11:53 schestowitz-TR; for offline stuff it might be OK
11:53 DaemonFC; You can install Flatpaks per user, but you shouldn't.
11:54 schestowitz-TR; but getting a new appimage for every browser release seems wrong
11:54 DaemonFC; It's best to install them globally.
11:54 DaemonFC; They will still store per-user settings in .var/app under your home folder.
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11:55 TR News; French Debian-based SELKS 7 is out https://www.stamus-networks.com/open-source/#selks
11:55 Alternative link; CloudFlare: stamus-networks.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.stamus-networks.com/open-source/#selks https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.stamus-networks.com/open-source/#selks
11:55 TR Bot; Stamus Networks | SELKS
11:55 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: home directory
11:55 schestowitz-TR; the only "folder" in gnu/linux/unix is email
11:56 TR News; CloudReady 9.4.36 is out https://www.neverware.com/
11:56 Alternative link; CloudFlare: neverware.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.neverware.com/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.neverware.com/
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11:57 TR News; 10 Git tips we cant live without | Opensource.com <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://opensource.com/article/22/4/git-tips"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
11:57 TR Bot; Git tips we can't live without | Opensource.com
11:59 TR News; I've used SVN and even CVS (way before Git). To say bullshit like Git is "the one to stay" is foolish. Of course something will replace Git; the question is what and when. Microsoft (read: criminals) GitHub already viciously attacks Git, turning it into proprietary crap. Maybe by intention, too (sabotaging the whole standard).
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11:59 TR News; "Git tips are a dime a dozen, and it's a good thing because you can never get enough of them. If you use Git every day, then every tip, trick, and shortcut you can find is potentially time and effort saved." https://opensource.com/article/22/4/git-tips
12:00 TR News; "Git is pretty famous for having lots of subcommands, like clone, init, add, mv, restore, bisect, blame, show, rebase, and many more." https://opensource.com/article/22/4/customize-git-subcommands I keep some aliases and scripts to speed things up
12:00 TR Bot; your own Git subcommands | Opensource.com
12:01 TR News; Either Clownflare will be eradicated or the Web will be eradicated. We cannot have both. They cannot coexist.
12:02 DaemonFC; Hmmm, this chest freezer sweats.
12:02 DaemonFC; I remember back before Energy Star, they used to have a way to deal with this.
12:02 schestowitz-TR; you know what you should do?
12:02 schestowitz-TR; buy a bigger firdge
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12:02 schestowitz-TR; put the existing one inside it
12:02 schestowitz-TR; to keep it cool
12:03 schestowitz-TR; no weat
12:03 schestowitz-TR; no sweat, no more..
12:03 bnchs; https://files.catbox.moe/63mmco.jpg
12:03 TR Bot; connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/63mmco.jpg )
12:03 DaemonFC; I'm told other people have the sweating problem with chest freezers they put in humid areas, like their basement.
12:03 bnchs; stolen store phone being disabled and "tracked down"
12:03 bnchs; tell me why is this in the firmware
12:04 schestowitz-TR; in soviet russia, regime tracks down, disables journalism
12:05 schestowitz-TR; In Soviet ICBM, Red Hat accesses 'secure boot', prevents the machine from even booting
12:05 bnchs; so basically this in picture, a (unknown person) had attempted to steal an iphone from a store in Walnut Street
12:06 bnchs; and i dont get why can the phone can be remotely disabled
12:06 schestowitz-TR; In ICBM Dehomag (Deutschland), journalists are "foreign agents" and "terrorists"
12:06 bnchs; and turned into a tracking machine
12:06 schestowitz-TR; because that's what 'phones' became a decade ago
12:07 schestowitz-TR; many people, most people, did not pay attention
12:07 schestowitz-TR; it's MY phone, the "I" phone
12:07 schestowitz-TR; now the same companies want to do the same to PCs
12:07 bnchs; yeah i can imagine
12:07 bnchs; stealing a PC from a store
12:08 schestowitz-TR; imagine all the journ... errrmmm I mean terrorists they can catch
12:08 schestowitz-TR; they can proactively undermine many acts of journalism
12:08 schestowitz-TR; like people exposing crimes of bill gates, elon musk, etc.
12:08 bnchs; booting it, and it says "This device has been disabled and is being tracked down. Local authorities will be alerted."
12:08 schestowitz-TR; who of course control the press and centeralised 'social' platforms now
12:09 schestowitz-TR; so nobody will hear you, even if you shout
12:09 bnchs; since its in the firmware
12:09 bnchs; you can simply disable and track down any computers
12:09 schestowitz-TR; btw
12:09 bnchs; includin journalists
12:09 schestowitz-TR; I don't worry about the petty thief at the store...
12:09 schestowitz-TR; ... as much as I worry about Apple
12:09 schestowitz-TR; getting this power
12:09 schestowitz-TR; sharing it
12:09 bnchs; yes
12:09 schestowitz-TR; wtih imperialistic regimes
12:10 schestowitz-TR; and awful small time regimes
12:10 schestowitz-TR; like qatar
12:10 schestowitz-TR; knowingly or not knowingluy
12:10 bnchs; you can trigger in any iphones
12:10 schestowitz-TR; e.g. edbright?
12:10 bnchs; including legally-brought ones
12:10 schestowitz-TR; I forgot that the hypePhone cracking company was called
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12:10 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: yes
12:10 schestowitz-TR; the assumption they now nakedly make is
12:10 schestowitz-TR; all customers ARE pedophiles
12:11 schestowitz-TR; (prove us wrong)
12:11 schestowitz-TR; all customers are thieves
12:11 schestowitz-TR; (we need to watch your every move and have a kill switch with remote contro)
12:12 DaemonFC; The chest freezer is pretty efficient. The power company isn't projecting much of a change to my bill.
12:12 schestowitz-TR; This is "Stalin's dream"
12:12 schestowitz-TR; complete control over people
12:12 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> complete control over people
12:12 schestowitz-TR; via digital addendum
12:12 DaemonFC; Stallman doesn't get the irony.
12:12 schestowitz; https://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/
12:12 TR Bot; High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights
12:12 bnchs; another example
12:13 DaemonFC; He says he doesn't want you to have a phone because they'll control you, but you should vote in a government that controls everything you do.
12:13 bnchs; stolen samsung TVs got remotely bricked
12:13 schestowitz; gates must be creaming himself, seeing the direction computting has taken
12:13 bnchs; once
12:13 schestowitz; and here you are, DaemonFC, bashing people who work hard to discourage blind adoption of opaque binary blobs
12:13 bnchs; the fact that remote bricking and tracking is in the firmware
12:13 schestowitz; that can change at any time
12:13 schestowitz; and we won't know what they do and CAN do
12:14 DaemonFC; No you don't, but you nevertheless run some anyway.
12:14 DaemonFC; Whether they get loaded by the BIOS and have CVEs unpatched or whether they get replaced at OS boot time.
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12:14 DaemonFC; Take a look at the intel-microcode package in Debian.
12:14 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: some machines do not demand these
12:14 schestowitz-TR; or you could use ethernet
12:14 DaemonFC; Those CVEs they patch on the CPU you have?
12:15 DaemonFC; Those affect you if you don't load the new microcode.
12:15 DaemonFC; Oh sure the computer works, but....
12:15 schestowitz-TR; intel is a mess
12:15 schestowitz-TR; that much we know
12:15 DaemonFC; You just get your non-free firmware out of the BIOS and it will have more bugs.
12:15 schestowitz-TR; so you could start with many simpler cpu cores in bulk
12:15 schestowitz-TR; and for most tasks it'll be enough
12:15 DaemonFC; CPUs have gotten too complex to try to reverse engineer some firmware that may run on them.
12:16 schestowitz-TR; exactly
12:16 DaemonFC; The ones that were possible to reverse are all so old now that they don't really run anything anymore.
12:16 DaemonFC; And the hardware is breaking down of old age.
12:16 schestowitz-TR; but wait
12:16 schestowitz-TR; some governments make their own sdesigned
12:16 schestowitz-TR; they have h"human" "resources"
12:16 schestowitz-TR; they can adoppt risc-v
12:16 schestowitz-TR; then mutiply that
12:17 DaemonFC; Yeah. Loongson ironically uses free firmware, but you don't know that it's not backdoored.
12:17 schestowitz-TR; and study the design properly, even fork it
12:17 DaemonFC; They can run the backdoors in some other part of the CPU that the firmware doesn't affect.
12:17 DaemonFC; So Stallman was using one of these, you know.
12:17 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: you could argue that chinese back doors are better than american ones for a US citizen
12:17 schestowitz-TR; because the chinese gov. won;t' raid you in arizona
12:17 schestowitz-TR; the US regime would
12:17 DaemonFC; Why? Because China will have a harder time kidnapping me here than my government?
12:17 DaemonFC; Yes, that is true.
12:18 schestowitz-TR; not a novel point
12:18 schestowitz-TR; (btw)
12:18 schestowitz-TR; many people recognise that spying on them, e.g. as journalist, is less dangerous if done by some distant country
12:19 schestowitz-TR; last month USDOJ indicted some russians
12:19 DaemonFC; Well, you know, even using Ubuntu or Fedora is a lot better than leaving things how you got your PC.
12:19 schestowitz-TR; for cybercrimes
12:19 schestowitz-TR; now what?
12:19 schestowitz-TR; you tell me...
12:19 DaemonFC; We know for a fact Windows has a million things that spy on you and it was also poorly designed.
12:20 DaemonFC; And nobody can look at anything it really does. It sends Microsoft, what are basically encrypted ZIP packages about you every day.
12:20 DaemonFC; Containing several MB of data each. Nobody knows what's inside.
12:20 DaemonFC; You can kind of guess based on the EULA, but they can violate that because it's encrypted and you'll never prove it.
12:20 TR News; AMD has outsourced far too much code to Microsoft (criminals) GitHub, which is proprietary software. When "AMD" says "Open" (r combines these words, or "OpenGPU") read as "Microsoft junk"...
12:21 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: if there is a revolution
12:21 schestowitz-TR; set aside just a revolt
12:21 schestowitz-TR; they will know what to do with the data
12:21 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, You are right though about Fedora loading unnecessary firmware.
12:21 schestowitz-TR; and they can pass PATRIOT ACT 2.x within days
12:21 DaemonFC; Debian doesn't even package this firmware for iwlwifi called "yoyo" that's there for "debugging" purposes.
12:22 DaemonFC; So the kernel complains but then it just carries on.
12:22 DaemonFC; Fedora actually feeds it firmware it doesn't actually need in order to run.
12:22 TR News; wp-surface-scale-v1: New protocol for fractional scaling (!143) Merge requests wayland / wayland-protocols GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/143 Source: gitlab | wayland | linux | graphics
12:22 TR Bot; wp-surface-scale-v1: New protocol for fractional scaling (!143) Merge requests wayland / wayland-protocols GitLab
12:22 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: that's the issue
12:22 schestowitz-TR; too much lenience
12:22 schestowitz-TR; hardware companies:
12:22 schestowitz-TR; if users are so eager to use whatever we throw at them, WHY CHANGE?
12:23 DaemonFC; Right, if it's in the kernel's firmware tree, Fedora has it.
12:23 DaemonFC; Including "yoyo".
12:23 DaemonFC; So no attempt to strip it down to "Yeah, this sucks, but at least we're not loading things we don't even need.".
12:24 DaemonFC; I just found it amusing that most distributions except Debian apparently don't bother to figure out that this entire firmware set gets loaded onto the WiFi chipset and doesn't even benefit the user or enable more features.
12:24 DaemonFC; And we don't know what it does.
12:24 DaemonFC; So they just load it and keep going.
12:25 TR News; 7 Uses of grep Commands in GNU [Linux] https://medium.com/techtofreedom/7-uses-of-grep-commands-in-linux-cde98eb30eba
12:25 Alternative link; CloudFlare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medium.com/techtofreedom/7-uses-of-grep-commands-in-linux-cde98eb30eba https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://medium.com/techtofreedom/7-uses-of-grep-commands-in-linux-cde98eb30eba
12:25 TR Bot; Uses of grep Commands in Linux. A super tool for string searching | by Yang Zhou | TechToFreedom | Apr, 2022 | Medium
12:26 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, It's worse with Ubuntu.
12:26 DaemonFC; They build staging tree crap that pokes at UEFI bugs and kills PCs even though their users are almost certainly not using that driver.
12:26 TR News; This spring there will be 2,000 active Gemini capsules gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
12:26 DaemonFC; The intel-spi incident.
12:27 TR News; "A few years ago I found a record player on the street. I took it home and, after a while of it getting in the way, it ended up in storage under the sofa, forgotten. A bit over three years ago I finally decided to get it out and make it work." gemini://calcuode.com/gemlog/2020-12-30_record-player.gmi
12:27 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: they're 'doping' with blobs
12:27 schestowitz-TR; but that can contribute to more complexity
12:27 schestowitz-TR; even if they get more users
12:27 schestowitz-TR; all sorts of unknown system crashes
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12:30 DaemonFC; Distributions should be more careful about making sure everything they include has a purpose otherwise you just end up with a lot of unexploded bombs waiting to go off.
12:30 TR News; ICBM thinks people "update your LinkedIn profile" (still boosting Microsoft; ICBM does this routinely) https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/3-tips-transition-new-role
12:30 TR Bot; New job remorse: 3 tips for handling struggles with a new position | The Enterprisers Project
12:30 DaemonFC; They're doing a lousy job of that even if they don't care what the license is.
12:31 TR News; LinkedIn is oppression http://techrights.org/2020/06/28/linkedin-censorship/
12:31 TR Bot; When It Comes to Killing Businesses Microsoft Defends Its Crown | Techrights
12:31 TR News; ICBM: you need to suck up to the suits instead of doing your job properly https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/it-collaboration-ceo
12:31 TR Bot; 4 IT leadership tips for collaborating with the CEO | The Enterprisers Project
12:32 schestowitz-TR; "unexploded bombs waiting to go off."
12:32 schestowitz-TR; They're not unexploded bombs anymore
12:32 schestowitz-TR; the term itself is weird
12:32 DaemonFC; Well, intel-spi didn't break anything until it did.
12:32 schestowitz-TR; every bomb the US makes or has
12:32 schestowitz-TR; is "unexploded bomb"
12:32 schestowitz-TR; because that's what bombs do
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12:33 DaemonFC; There are still bombs the germans dropped all over Europe that can still go off today.
12:33 schestowitz-TR; yes, I know
12:33 DaemonFC; They find one now and then and have to clear out the building.
12:33 schestowitz-TR; one was blown up ina controlled setting recently
12:33 schestowitz-TR; near here
12:34 schestowitz-TR; you make it sound like a german proiblem
12:34 schestowitz-TR; as if only "german engineering" left "unexploded bombs"
12:34 DaemonFC; No, it's every war.
12:34 schestowitz-TR; the west left tons of "unexploded bombs" for kids
12:34 schestowitz-TR; "land mines"
12:34 DaemonFC; Ukraine will have it bad.
12:34 schestowitz-TR; and those are very hard to detect and remove
12:34 schestowitz-TR; they also kill many animals
12:34 DaemonFC; Half the shit the Russians drop doesn't go off right away.
12:35 schestowitz-TR; how do you know?
12:35 DaemonFC; What the Ukrainian government is reporting.
12:36 DaemonFC; They're working around the clock digging out bombs the Russians sent that didn't explode.
12:36 TR News; Ex-Snap Advocate at Ubuntu Creates a Tool to Help You Migrate from Snap to Flatpak http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163392#comment-33287
12:36 TR Bot; A new tool 'unsnap' helps you move from Snaps to Flatpaks | Tux Machines
12:37 DaemonFC; Sounds like a revenge thing.
12:38 schestowitz-TR; like chernobyl
12:38 schestowitz-TR; you deter people who wish to live there
12:38 DaemonFC; Alan Pope was the one that got into it with me on Reddit when I called Snap and insecure engineering disaster and pointed at how they had definitely allowed in bitcoin miner trojans and god knows what else, and also pointed out that since they allow proprietary software, they couldn't audit some of them if they wanted to.
12:38 schestowitz-TR; near the capital
12:38 schestowitz-TR; too dangerous
12:39 schestowitz-TR; btw, clusters bombs have been reported
12:39 schestowitz-TR; the ordinance is smaller
12:39 schestowitz-TR; but lots of it
12:39 schestowitz-TR; rescuers get killed too
12:39 schestowitz-TR; humans are very inventive
12:39 schestowitz-TR; they find new ways to kill more people with some amount of chemicals
12:39 bnchs; DaemonFC: there should be seperation of proprietary software away from free software in snap
12:39 schestowitz-TR; like "bullet sharing"
12:39 bnchs; like debian
12:40 schestowitz-TR; shoot a person in the mouth, then it hits another person at the back of the head
12:40 schestowitz-TR; humans in a nutshell
12:42 TR News; Launch Your First Jenkins Server in a Single Command | by Vladimir Mukhin | Apr, 2022 | Medium https://vladimir-mukhin.medium.com/launch-your-first-jenkins-server-in-a-single-command-37f9e4d3407 Source: vladimir mukhin
12:42 Alternative link; CloudFlare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://vladimir-mukhin.medium.com/launch-your-first-jenkins-server-in-a-single-command-37f9e4d3407 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://vladimir-mukhin.medium.com/launch-your-first-jenkins-server-in-a-single-command-37f9e4d3407
12:42 TR Bot; Launch Your First Jenkins Server in a Single Command | by Vladimir Mukhin | Apr, 2022 | Medium
12:42 DaemonFC; Canonical has it rigged to not even show you that it's proprietary.
12:42 schestowitz-TR; yeah
12:42 DaemonFC; At least Flathub doesn't do that.
12:42 schestowitz-TR; Canonical started out OK
12:42 schestowitz-TR; after Mark Shuttlecock took the cock to Sputnik
12:42 schestowitz-TR; to prove his "manhood"
12:42 bnchs; DaemonFC: thats too far
12:43 schestowitz-TR; like bezos did
12:43 schestowitz-TR; before he went al bold and bearded
12:43 schestowitz-TR; but back then he was true to "Ubuntu", sort of...
12:43 schestowitz-TR; [19:55] <techrights-news> The company whose founder flew with Russia to space took 1.5 months to post this https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-standing-with-ukraine
12:43 Alternative link; CloudFlare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-standing-with-ukraine https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-standing-with-ukraine
12:43 TR Bot; with Ukraine | Ubuntu
12:44 DaemonFC; Shuttleworth actually did make it into orbit though.
12:44 SomeH4x0r; why post this?
12:44 DaemonFC; Bezos hasn't.
12:44 schestowitz-TR; */bold/bald/
12:44 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: exactly
12:44 schestowitz-TR; and why so late
12:44 schestowitz-TR; they had no obligation to say anything
12:45 DaemonFC; Plus, Shuttleworth ran scientific experiments, Bezos didn't.
12:45 DaemonFC; And Shuttleworth's money at least funded part of the Russian modules at the ISS and thus benefited the project.
12:45 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163415
12:45 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
12:45 DaemonFC; Bezos just wants to launch rich assholes into space.
12:46 schestowitz-TR; same as dick branson
12:46 schestowitz-TR; dick branson had this stupid plane thing
12:46 schestowitz-TR; where going to "space" means just some high altitude
12:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Wait until there's an accident and they lose an entire crew of billionaires.
12:46 schestowitz-TR; and you pay a fortune and pollute the planet
12:46 DaemonFC; See how many want seats on the next one.
12:47 schestowitz-TR; like concorde
12:47 schestowitz-TR; it failed
12:47 schestowitz-TR; the rich people who wanted to shave off a few hours of travel did not feel it was worth the risk
12:47 schestowitz-TR; it was always unsafe
12:47 schestowitz-TR; it's a military plane design
12:48 schestowitz-TR; military planes fall a lot
12:48 schestowitz-TR; they don't really care
12:48 DaemonFC; Yeah, it was recycled from the X70, wasn't it?
12:48 schestowitz-TR; and they even assume failure
12:48 schestowitz-TR; so they equip ALL the passengers with gear like parachutes
12:48 schestowitz-TR; "passengers"
12:48 DaemonFC; I know some people who used to work for defense contractors, Bell Labs, etc.
12:48 schestowitz-TR; for jets just a pilot usually
12:48 schestowitz-TR; fore bombers it's troops
12:48 DaemonFC; Back when Bell Labs actually did do some really cool stuff.
12:49 DaemonFC; You know, you could argue that the government breakup of AT&T is a lesson against antitrust law being used that way.
12:49 DaemonFC; It cleared UNIX out of Microsoft's way and look where that ended up, and the baby bells started buying each other out and we're back to three phone companies again.
12:49 TR News; Visual-inertial tracking for Monado https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2022/04/05/visual-inertial-tracking-support-for-monado-openxr/ Source: collabora
12:49 TR Bot; Visual-inertial tracking for Monado
12:50 bnchs; it should have been microsoft next
12:51 DaemonFC; The government stopping AT&T from direct selling a UNIX OS and then NOT aggressively pursuing Microsoft was probably one of the greatest disasters in the history of computing.
12:51 TR News; Lilbits: Another AMD handheld gaming PC, Volla Phone 22 (with Android or Ubuntu) https://liliputing.com/2022/04/lilbits-another-amd-handheld-gaming-pc-volla-phone-22-with-android-or-ubuntu-and-asus-tinker-edge-r-single-board-computer.html Source: liliputing
12:51 Alternative link; CloudFlare: liliputing.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://liliputing.com/2022/04/lilbits-another-amd-handheld-gaming-pc-volla-phone-22-with-android-or-ubuntu-and-asus-tinker-edge-r-single-board-computer.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://liliputing.com/2022/04/lilbits-another-amd-handheld-gaming-pc-volla-phone-22-with-android-or-ubuntu-and-asus-tinker-edge-r-single-board-computer.html
12:51 TR Bot; Another AMD handheld gaming PC, Volla Phone 22 (with Android or Ubuntu), and Asus Tinker Edge R single-board computer - Liliputing
12:53 DaemonFC; The BSD stuff was just the product of a different time. Today, a university would try to figure out a way to monetize it and it would end with nobody wanting to use a copy and then everyone forgetting about it.
12:53 TR News; ...it's bad enough that Twitter (pure shit) denies you access unless you run some dodgy proprietary code; now it does the same to links, like t.co (in effect making those sites unreachable unless you run dodgy proprietary code from Twitter, not from those sites)
12:54 TR News; Twitter is starting to resemble malware more and more each month. Even if you do not use their (cr)app.
12:54 DaemonFC; Linux and BSDs have been so successful because they're valuable to big corporations who see that in exchange for investing some nominal amount of money they can make billions or trillions of dollars.
12:55 DaemonFC; If you go and license something from Microsoft, all you get is having to buy more licenses later.
12:55 DaemonFC; (And ransomware.)
12:56 TR News; Years ago: Dangerous psychopath and serial thief Elon Musk uses Twitter to call innocent people "pedo guy" to 'settle scores' (Musk was sued for defamation!). Now: Musk is taking over Twitter. He wants his very own defamation machine. How much will we let oligarchs get away with? Gates and Bezos also buy the media. Zuckerberg wants us to think Facebook IS the media.
12:57 TR News; The EFF's site has a tracker in all pages. It has its own subdomain. Sheesh!!!
12:57 TR News; "RoenDi is a rotary encoder with an integrated round color display. Based on an STM32L4 MCU, it can be programmed with the STM32CubeIDE or the Arduino IDE, and be used as an information display, an IoT controller, a locking mechanism, as well as in audio applications." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/06/roendi-rotary-encoder-color-display/
12:57 Alternative link; CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/06/roendi-rotary-encoder-color-display/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/06/roendi-rotary-encoder-color-display/
12:57 TR Bot; RoenDi is a rotary encoder with a color display (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 96.63 average k/sec., average swarm size 303.66
13:00 TR News; Gilmore, Barlow et al: let's make an advocacy group for digital issues. Cohn: let's oust Gilmore now that Barlow is dead and turn EFF into a political advocacy group, behaving like a company/business with lobbying as "services" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gilmore_(activist)
13:00 TR Bot; John Gilmore (activist) - Wikipedia
13:01 TR News; The Month in WordPress - March 2022 - WordPress News https://wordpress.org/news/2022/04/the-month-in-wordpress-march-2022/ Source: wordpress
13:01 TR Bot; The Month in WordPress March 2022 WordPress News
13:02 TR News; Thoughts dereferenced from the scratchpad noise. | ASUS KGPE-D16 Dasharo testing update https://blog.3mdeb.com/2022/2022-03-23-kgpe-d16-testing-update/ "Unlike software testing, firmware testing does not only verify whether the code behaves as it is supposed to"
13:02 TR Bot; Thoughts dereferenced from the scratchpad noise. | ASUS KGPE-D16 Dasharo testing update
13:03 TR News; Sigh; medevel posting webspam or seo spam. Come on, stop turning otherwise-good site into pure trash. This is KILLING the WWW. https://medevel.com/4-tips-to-boost-emr-efficiency/
13:03 Alternative link; CloudFlare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/4-tips-to-boost-emr-efficiency/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://medevel.com/4-tips-to-boost-emr-efficiency/
13:03 TR Bot; 4 Tips To Boost EMR Efficiency
13:04 bnchs; https://medevel.com/4-tips-to-boost-emr-efficiency/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
13:04 Alternative link; CloudFlare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/4-tips-to-boost-emr-efficiency/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://medevel.com/4-tips-to-boost-emr-efficiency/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
13:04 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://medevel.com/4-tips-to-boost-emr-efficiency/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/ )
13:04 TR News; I reckon the proportion of the WWW which is Webspam in disguise is already above 80%
13:04 bnchs; jus testing
13:05 *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights
13:05 schestowitz-TR; what's the conclusion?
13:05 *ziraffep (~ziraffep@vd4283mvfyqgk.irc) has joined #techrights
13:07 TR News; "The Postgres.ai team is happy to announce the release of version 3.1 of Database Lab Engine (DLE), the most advanced open-source software ever released that empowers development, testing, and troubleshooting environments for fast-growing projects." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/database-lab-engine-31-pgbackrest-timezones-for-cli-dle-community-2432/
13:07 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: Database Lab Engine 3.1: pgBackRest, timezones for CLI, DLE community
13:08 TR News; Burn plane fuel and pretend COVID doesn't exist anymore? https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgconf-nyc-2022-sep-22-23-call-for-papers-now-open-2431/
13:08 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: PGConf NYC 2022 (Sep 22 - 23) - Call for Papers Now Open!
13:08 TR News; Games: LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga, Steam Deck Offline Mode, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163416
13:08 TR Bot; Games: LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga, Steam Deck 'Offline Mode', and More | Tux Machines
13:10 schestowitz-TR; "If you're a friend and you've tried emailing twice, it's probably one of our mail handling systems. I suggest phoning me. It seems that in the last few years, large numbers of ISPs have started using "blacklists", even the ones that never did before." http://www.toad.com/gnu/#email
13:10 TR Bot; John Gilmore's home page
13:10 schestowitz-TR; "The blacklisters hate me, so they put me on their lists, even though I have never sent a single spam message. They don't like the way I administer my machine. (I don't like the way they administer their machines either.) It will often be hard to get your ISP to admit that they are censoring your incoming email"
13:10 schestowitz-TR; "Don't just let them put in an exception for mail from me. Get them to take off the blacklist on your incoming mail. It is usually hard -- but worth it. Who else's emails are you missing? Some of us figured out in the 1950s that blacklists were a bad idea."
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13:12 TR News; Automating my home network with Salt - Federico's Blog https://viruta.org/automating-home-network-with-salt.html "My colleague Richard Brown has been talking about the Salt Project for a few years. It is similar to tools for provisioning and configuration management like Ansible or Puppet."
13:12 TR Bot; Automating my home network with Salt - Federico's Blog
13:14 TR News; For a change, Linux Foundation does something related to Linux https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cip-expands-work-on-slts-kernel-maintenance-301518053.html
13:14 Alternative link; CloudFlare: prnewswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cip-expands-work-on-slts-kernel-maintenance-301518053.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cip-expands-work-on-slts-kernel-maintenance-301518053.html
13:14 TR Bot; CIP Expands Work on SLTS Kernel Maintenance
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13:16 bnchs; using a website apparently written in ASP.net
13:16 bnchs; it fucking crashes
13:18 *schestowitz-TR looks at page source
13:18 schestowitz-TR; lots of js and spyware
13:18 schestowitz-TR; <meta name="generator" content="Ghost 4.42">
13:18 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySWEB2xqZ-o
13:18 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ySWEB2xqZ-o
13:18 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Fedora 35 Kinoite | A New Immutable Distribution Featuring KDE - Invidious
13:18 schestowitz-TR; it's still a security issue
13:18 schestowitz-TR; when sites advertise not just the cms but also the version
13:19 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: but does it have a MASTER branch I can checkout from
13:19 schestowitz-TR; from Microsoft?
13:20 DaemonFC; It has trees. :)
13:20 TR News; ICBM looking for slaves... I mean, testers https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/contribute-at-the-fedora-36-coreos-test-week/
13:20 TR Bot; Contribute at the Fedora 36 CoreOS Test Week Fedora Community Blog
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13:22 bnchs; have you ever used a ASP website
13:22 bnchs; that never responds to your request
13:23 bnchs; or just responds with a ASP error page
13:23 bnchs; because im having that
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13:23 TR News; Latest Changes in EasyOS 3.4.4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163326#comment-33288
13:23 TR Bot; Latest in EasyOS | Tux Machines
13:23 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: which site?
13:23 DaemonFC; I'm looking at Fedora 36 Kinoite on my older laptop.
13:23 bnchs; a string length site
13:24 DaemonFC; I also grabbed a nightly ISO of Fedora Silverblue.
13:24 bnchs; dont have a terminal right now
13:24 schestowitz-TR; is blue an OK colour?
13:24 *matey (~matey@thn62aj5tmfdn.irc) has joined #techrights
13:24 DaemonFC; I just wanted to figure out if it really is frustrating to use an "immutable" OS or not.
13:24 schestowitz-TR; "bitch please! It's deny mode, not dark mode!!"
13:24 matey; if it really is frustrating to use an "immutable" OS or not <- endless os is like this too
13:24 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: sounds like chromeOS
13:25 DaemonFC; KDE shouldn't have problems on my 2016 laptop anymore as it defaults to Wayland now.
13:25 schestowitz-TR; what's the practical use case?
13:25 schestowitz-TR; kiosk?
13:25 DaemonFC; So it should handle HiDPI scaling.
13:25 matey; really if flatpaks are a master feature, this is going to be how it works on some level
13:25 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> what's the practical use case?
13:25 matey; <schestowitz-TR> kiosk? <- diot-friendly "linux"
13:25 matey; you cant fuck it up because its all "apps"
13:26 schestowitz-TR; only idiots don't change systems?
13:26 matey; even if you want to
13:26 schestowitz-TR; or rather, it's idiotic to do that?
13:26 matey; this is not an endorsement, i think its a completely fucked up way of doing things
13:26 schestowitz-TR; immutable is also misleading
13:26 matey; if id seen this as the intended use of flatpak i would have railed against it sooner.
13:26 schestowitz-TR; the states change
13:26 schestowitz-TR; maybe at "the clown"
13:26 matey; instead, i tried endless os and condemned it for this very thing a year or two ago
13:26 schestowitz-TR; but you work with data set that is not immutable
13:26 schestowitz-TR; the binaries rarely change either way
13:27 matey; i mean you can change things in endless os, but modifying any installed program is a complete bitch
13:27 matey; i wonder if easy os is this obnoxious
13:27 matey; and dont get me wrong, the idea of read only images as "packages" is far from new
13:28 schestowitz-TR; it's like a game where you only ever respawn
13:28 DaemonFC; You can use package layering with rpm-ostree if you want.
13:28 schestowitz-TR; but never progress in the game
13:28 matey; its just they used to be done in a way that wasnt designed as a complete fuck-you to users
13:28 DaemonFC; But really you're meant to use Flatpaks.
13:28 matey; (and you could always unpack them and use them in a "mutable" way if you wanted
13:29 DaemonFC; rpm-ostree would be useful in a case where nobody has made a Flatpak or that sort of application wouldn't work as a Flatpak.
13:29 matey; if the entire file system is setup along these lines, its more of a conspiracy
13:29 matey; of course people are going to take that literally, i mean it more lightly (but not tongue in cheek)
13:30 matey; actually, theres a wiki entry about this very thing.
13:30 schestowitz-TR; with flying saucers and stuff
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13:30 matey; http://techrights.org/wiki/Librethreat_Database#Appliance-like_Distributions
13:30 TR Bot; Librethreat Database - Techrights
13:30 matey; this is exactly what daemonfc is talking about
13:30 schestowitz-TR; crAppliance
13:31 DaemonFC; Deploying the image is taking a long time.
13:31 DaemonFC; Then again, it's installing from kind of a crummy USB 2 thumbdrive.
13:31 matey; "Some distros seem to be designed with building more restrictions into the user experience as a priority-- making GNU/Linux better simulate or act as a non-free platform." "Examples: Chrome OS, Endless OS, Android, Elementary OS"
13:32 matey; the goal of flatpak seems to be to drag the gnu/linux distro towards something more like android.
13:32 *ziraffep (~ziraffep@uyycfdpcfwkrc.irc) has joined #techrights
13:32 matey; android meanwhile, is a pile of shit that fucks over users
13:32 matey; but im sure the goals overlap more than not-- android is supposd to be idiot-proof
13:32 DaemonFC; Ah there we go.
13:32 matey; you cant DO ANYTHING to it, so you cant break it, so it wont break
13:33 DaemonFC; Unpacking objects.
13:33 matey; which of course, is bullshit. but thats the idea.
13:33 DaemonFC; Deploying OSTree.
13:33 DaemonFC; Installing Flatpak applications.
13:33 DaemonFC; Reticulating splines....
13:33 matey; computer: break distro
13:33 matey; computer says no.
13:33 bnchs; baby proof gnu/linux
13:34 matey; its technically free software
13:34 DaemonFC; I'm not sure that Silverblue will ever replace Fedora Workstation.
13:34 matey; but it simulates proprietary software
13:34 bnchs; computer: break distro
13:34 DaemonFC; I mean it hasn't so far and it's been around for years now.
13:34 bnchs; computer: uh uh you didnt say the magic word
13:35 matey; and the more free software does this-- the more it simulates proprietary software
13:35 matey; the farther users get from controlling their computing, but since you have the source and the license the fsf cant say shit
13:35 matey; now, the fsf HAS come out against these packages
13:36 DaemonFC; Configuration file kwinrc not writable. Contact your system administrator.
13:36 matey; but only because they said the main goal seems to be offering proprietary "Apps" like skype
13:36 bnchs; contact your sysadmin
13:36 bnchs; I AM THE ADMIN
13:36 matey; the thing is, even if you made a trisquel-like version of this
13:36 DaemonFC; But then it went to the log in screen and then to the desktop.
13:36 DaemonFC; Everything is scaled properly. Ohhhhh. Nice.
13:36 matey; you still dont have control of it unless you want to go through MORE and MORE and every more fucking shit
13:37 DaemonFC; Let's see what's going on here.
13:37 matey; every time dfc fixes something it takes a day and a half and they break 2 or 3 more things
13:37 matey; it doesnt take a computer scientist to see where this is going
13:37 bnchs; matey: like popos baby proofing their package manager
13:37 matey; although there are computer scientists who see where this is going
13:37 bnchs; pop!os*
13:38 bnchs; after linus the retard broke his distro
13:38 matey; read that as "po-pos"
13:38 matey; "watch out the po-pos are busting the os"
13:38 psydruid; total annihilation or violent pacification? pick your poison!
13:39 bnchs; linus should go back to windows
13:39 matey; binkyOS
13:39 bnchs; after all
13:39 matey; anyway, distros pushing flatcrap should be nuked from orbit
13:40 bnchs; flatpak is bloated crap
13:40 matey; but since its all marketing now anyway, people love this stupid shit
13:40 matey; unless they know better
13:40 bnchs; i dont want my home directory to be anymore dirty
13:41 matey; and snap is still worse, because it gives ubuntu a monopoly
13:41 matey; so fuck both of those
13:41 TR News; GNU/Linux is already killing Windows in games... in some sense https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/gpd-are-getting-quite-desperate-against-the-steam-deck/
13:41 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/gpd-are-getting-quite-desperate-against-the-steam-deck/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/gpd-are-getting-quite-desperate-against-the-steam-deck/
13:41 TR Bot; are getting quite desperate against the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
13:41 matey; this is literally how macs have distributed software for 10 years
13:41 matey; even that was saner though
13:42 matey; 10 years (im sure its longer)
13:43 TR News; "it's now fully Verified with the Native GNU/Linux build" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/space-haven-adds-gamepad-support-gets-steam-deck-verified/
13:43 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/space-haven-adds-gamepad-support-gets-steam-deck-verified/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/space-haven-adds-gamepad-support-gets-steam-deck-verified/
13:43 TR Bot; Haven adds gamepad support, gets Steam Deck Verified | GamingOnLinux
13:45 DaemonFC; Okay, I told it to install wine using rpm-ostree.
13:45 DaemonFC; And it's downloading an entirely new ostree.
13:45 bnchs; hahah
13:46 DaemonFC; On the upside, KDE seems to actually work on this laptop 6 years later.
13:46 matey; im sure what actualled happened though
13:46 matey; is everyone liked docker so much, they were like
13:46 matey; "we should replace package management with docker!"
13:47 DaemonFC; That does seem to be what's going on here.
13:47 matey; "cool! one operating system for every application!"
13:47 schestowitz-TR; docker is a bubble
13:47 DaemonFC; Oh, you want to install one package? First you have to update the ENTIRE operating system!
13:47 schestowitz-TR; the company docker still loses money
13:47 DaemonFC; BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
13:47 schestowitz-TR; and borrows
13:47 schestowitz-TR; then claims to be worth billions
13:47 schestowitz-TR; for BORROWING
13:47 matey; <schestowitz-TR> the company docker still loses money <- you say this about every single problem free software faces
13:47 DaemonFC; It should be able to just apply the changes to the ostree, like a git checkout, right?
13:48 schestowitz-TR; "mom, dad, can I borrow some money? Woohoo! Now I'm worth 10 times the amount I borrowed...'
13:48 matey; github, systemd, docker, etc
13:48 matey; mozilla
13:48 schestowitz-TR; no!zilla
13:48 matey; every nasty shithole development tam is going out of business
13:48 matey; real soon now
13:48 matey; team ^
13:48 schestowitz-TR; no pentagon bailouts
13:49 schestowitz-TR; play ball, get money from taxpayers
13:49 schestowitz-TR; perpetual bailout
13:49 schestowitz-TR; until the system runs out
13:49 matey; meanwhile, gnu and linux are in the toilet
13:49 schestowitz-TR; like the USSR
13:49 matey; but we will fish them out when every company goes under
13:49 matey; as if there will be anything left to salvage
13:49 schestowitz-TR; they've been besieged for ages
13:50 TR News; Games: Steam Deck and Humble Choice Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163417
13:50 matey; <schestowitz-TR> like the USSR <- the "ussr" seems to still be causing major problems for the world nearly 100 years later
13:50 TR Bot; Games: Steam Deck and Humble Choice | Tux Machines
13:50 schestowitz-TR; examples:
13:50 matey; of course its not really the ussr anymore
13:50 matey; it collapsed decades ago
13:50 schestowitz-TR; Novell: let's become buddies with MSFT for competitve advantage
13:50 matey; still somehow manages to invade ukraine, with almost no support from the world.
13:51 schestowitz-TR; Ubuntu: let's become Mir/unity/Snap (later mates with MSFT, too) for competitive advantage
13:51 schestowitz-TR; ICBM/RatCrap: let's make systemd and get loads of software patents for competitive advantage
13:51 schestowitz-TR; so they basically don't cooperate enough
13:51 schestowitz-TR; and it slows down progress
13:51 matey; theyre loose alliances, always
13:52 schestowitz-TR; like LF
13:52 schestowitz-TR; not even Linux
13:52 matey; but this is the thing
13:52 schestowitz-TR; Vmware, microsoft, facebook
13:52 matey; theyre constantly working to replace gnu/linux with Some Other Shit
13:52 schestowitz-TR; 0xDEADMETA
13:53 schestowitz-TR; (not hex)\
13:53 matey; google: android ubuntu: snap ibm: systemd-flatcrapd
13:53 matey; Anything But Free Software!
13:53 schestowitz-TR; free pays less
13:53 schestowitz-TR; or does not pat
13:53 schestowitz-TR; because the user is in control
13:53 matey; non-free free software (nffs)
13:53 schestowitz-TR; and isn't compelled to pay
13:53 matey; or at least less-free free software (lffs)
13:53 schestowitz-TR; immuntable FS
13:53 matey; freedom-free software (ffs)
13:54 schestowitz-TR; the freedom to NOT modify
13:54 matey; freedom 3 is always getting shit on
13:54 schestowitz-TR; Valve now FUDs people who unlock the FS
13:54 matey; bicycle: "you can modify and redistribute me!"
13:54 schestowitz-TR; insinuating that having a file system you can write to is dangerous
13:54 DaemonFC; Wine does work.
13:54 schestowitz-TR; like Rotten Apple with "sideloading"
13:54 DaemonFC; I just installed foobar2000 on KDE. It looks oddly right at home.
13:55 matey; red hat bicycle: "you can modify and redistribute me too! though you might have more trouble, as im mostly designed to pour sidewalks!"
13:55 schestowitz; malware + clown = https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/06/microsoft-improves-its-cloud-pc-offering-windows-365/
13:55 Alternative link; CloudFlare: ghacks.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/06/microsoft-improves-its-cloud-pc-offering-windows-365/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/06/microsoft-improves-its-cloud-pc-offering-windows-365/
13:55 TR Bot; Microsoft improves its cloud PC offering Windows 365 - gHacks Tech News
13:55 matey; <schestowitz-TR> insinuating that having a file system you can write to is dangerous <_ UEFI/SB for packages!
13:56 schestowitz; who would NEED this?
13:56 schestowitz; we have WINE
13:56 matey; SecurePack!
13:56 psydruid; "Valve is our best friend forever"
13:56 schestowitz-TR; [13:55] <matey> <schestowitz-TR> insinuating that having a file system you can write to is dangerous <_ UEFI/SB for packages!
13:56 schestowitz-TR; this exists already
13:56 schestowitz-TR; Gulag- and ICBM-led
13:56 matey; you need secureboot so you know that ostree is secure when it loads your securepack packages
13:56 schestowitz-TR; sigstore
13:56 schestowitz-TR; by Zemlin Foundation
13:56 DaemonFC; I installed Flathub since Fedora's Flatpak repo is very sparse.
13:56 matey; <schestowitz-TR> this exists already <- everything is new! everything is betterer!
13:57 schestowitz-TR; The Sheela and James Zemlin Foundry
13:57 matey; floundry
13:57 schestowitz-TR; you can say THAT again
13:57 schestowitz-TR; usually the "legit" apps are MORE dangerous than derivs
13:57 schestowitz-TR; like "official" skype
13:58 schestowitz-TR; but they want you to think "wrong" Windows is bad
13:58 schestowitz-TR; consider what "authorised" Windows does
13:58 matey; secureboot: make sure you use windows (but not in theory, only in practice)
13:58 schestowitz-TR; and then tell me to my face "SECURE boot"
13:58 schestowitz-TR; it's malware
13:58 DaemonFC; I'm actually considering rolling this out to my main laptop.
13:58 schestowitz-TR; what's secure about that?
13:58 schestowitz-TR; Who is it secure TO?
13:58 matey; ostree: make sure you only have shitty packages (but only in practice)
13:58 DaemonFC; I don't know, maybe I've gone crazy.
13:58 matey; <DaemonFC> I don't know, maybe I've gone crazy. <- i think youre a masochist
13:58 schestowitz-TR; trey kde neon
13:58 schestowitz-TR; I use that
13:59 schestowitz-TR; it's well packages kde with many little changes and additions
13:59 schestowitz-TR; kde neon had a release days ago
14:00 schestowitz-TR; being masochist is OK
14:00 schestowitz-TR; with I & D we have QUOTAS for "masochist"
14:00 matey; yeah its basically a right
14:00 schestowitz-TR; for hire: masochists
14:00 matey; but its no way to design a distro (imo)
14:00 schestowitz-TR; we need 1% masochists, according to new D &I policy
14:01 matey; ive had friends into bdsm, it just sucks that every distro is made for them and not anyone else
14:01 matey; IBdsM
14:01 schestowitz; https://www.maketecheasier.com/elon-musk-twitter-edit-button/
14:01 TR Bot; Do We Have Elon Musk to Thank for a Twitter Edit Button? - Make Tech Easier
14:01 schestowitz; Worship BS
14:01 schestowitz; matey: fetishn for nukes
14:01 schestowitz; ICBDSM
14:01 matey; there you go
14:02 schestowitz; jerk that rocket
14:02 schestowitz; (me looks at bezos)
14:03 schestowitz-TR; did you know larrison and paul allen (microsloth) competed for largest... yacht?
14:03 schestowitz-TR; to the point of custom-making them (IIRC) so that "the tip" goes further?
14:03 schestowitz-TR; this is how sick these people are
14:03 matey; "weve designed a new heat-resistant shield for bleworigin to protect it on reentry" *rolls large polymer sheath over rocket*
14:03 schestowitz-TR; and meanwhile many are homeless in the same cities
14:03 schestowitz-TR; and many homes intentioanllu vacent
14:04 matey; "always practice safe reeentry!"
14:04 schestowitz-TR; vacant to keep the price up
14:04 schestowitz-TR; did you know how watson died?
14:04 schestowitz-TR; the son
14:04 schestowitz-TR; fell off the stairs at home
14:04 schestowitz-TR; or some staircase
14:04 schestowitz-TR; or floor
14:04 schestowitz-TR; didn't survive it at hospital
14:05 schestowitz-TR; maybe he was driunk
14:05 matey; how large was the staircase?
14:05 schestowitz-TR; arthor
14:05 schestowitz-TR; had drinking issues
14:05 schestowitz-TR; matey: I'd need to read up on it again
14:05 schestowitz-TR; the family would likely save face by not giving the full story
14:05 matey; sure but sometimes details slip out
14:05 matey; from 3rd parties
14:06 matey; i mean we know an awful lot about jeff epstein
14:06 schestowitz-TR; the other son was a stupid man
14:06 schestowitz-TR; and womaniser
14:06 schestowitz-TR; didn't succeed in anything, his dad had to step in
14:06 schestowitz-TR; and buy him a career
14:06 matey; like gates mom
14:06 schestowitz-TR; yeah
14:06 schestowitz-TR; except gates was not stupid
14:06 schestowitz-TR; to be fair
14:06 matey; shrewd at least
14:06 schestowitz-TR; he was a good student until college, which is where he struggled a bit
14:07 schestowitz-TR; anyway, the watsons were the sort of family that would not let you inside the home
14:07 schestowitz-TR; you're not their class
14:08 TR News; Using the regexp-parser of syslog-ng - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng Community https://www.syslog-ng.com/community/b/blog/posts/using-the-regexp-parser-of-syslog-ng Source: syslog-ng
14:08 TR Bot; the regexp-parser of syslog-ng - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng Community
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14:09 TR News; Kosovo https://bits.debian.org/2022/04/debconf22-infomaniak-platinum.html see https://danielpocock.com/how-kosovo-won-debconf21/
14:09 TR Bot; Infomaniak Platinum Sponsor of DebConf22 - Bits from Debian
14:09 TR Bot; How Kosovo won DebConf21
14:11 TR News; [PATCH 00/12] Introducing AMD x2APIC Virtualization (x2AVIC) support. - Suravee Suthikulpanit https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220405230855.15376-1-suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com/
14:11 TR Bot; [PATCH 00/12] Introducing AMD x2APIC Virtualization (x2AVIC) support. - Suravee Suthikulpanit
14:11 DaemonFC; It's nice to see we're back to the bad old days where you have theming problems with the other desktop's apps.
14:12 matey; the thing about graphical applications is theyre made with graphical toolkits
14:12 schestowitz; psydruid: photo https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Linux-x2AVIC-Patches
14:12 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Linux-x2AVIC-Patches https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Linux-x2AVIC-Patches
14:12 TR Bot; Readies Linux Patches For x2AVIC Support - Phoronix
14:12 DaemonFC; Then again, KDE and Qt have more applications than GTK/GNOME and certainly more good ones.
14:12 matey; the thing about graphical toolkits is none of them are suitable.
14:12 DaemonFC; I don't even know why I use GNOME at this point.
14:12 DaemonFC; It's pretty obvious they're incompetent and don't give a shit.
14:12 matey; <DaemonFC> I don't even know why I use GNOME at this point. <- i wasnt kidding about the masochist thing
14:12 DaemonFC; Like this icons problem.
14:12 psydruid; schestowitz, I don't read his AMD or Intel stuff anymore
14:12 schestowitz; EPYC 7003
14:13 schestowitz; half a dozen
14:13 schestowitz; let's see market price
14:13 matey; advanced marketing douchebags
14:13 psydruid; now it reads like being stuck in 2005
14:13 schestowitz; seems like "new arrrivals"
14:13 psydruid; the world has moved on
14:13 schestowitz; 6000pounds for the 64 core one
14:15 schestowitz; goes up to almost 10000
14:15 schestowitz; per unit
14:15 schestowitz; so that photograph is an annual salry
14:15 schestowitz; a GOOD salary
14:16 schestowitz-TR; "you turn, Intel" - bwahaha, microbell
14:16 schestowitz-TR; *youir
14:17 TR News; Lots of Ponzi schemes out there. Some more "legit" and "honourable" than others. https://medevel.com/corporations-that-have-created-their-own-cryptocurrency/ NFTs is the funniest of all; too many people took "schrooms"?
14:17 Alternative link; CloudFlare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/corporations-that-have-created-their-own-cryptocurrency/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://medevel.com/corporations-that-have-created-their-own-cryptocurrency/
14:17 TR Bot; Corporations That Have Created Their Own Cryptocurrency
14:18 TR News; Arducam Pi Hawk-eye is a 64MP camera for Raspberry Pi 4/CM4 - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/06/arducam-pi-hawk-eye-64mp-camera-raspberry-pi-4-cm4/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
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14:18 TR Bot; Arducam Pi Hawk-eye is a 64MP camera for Raspberry Pi 4/CM4 - CNX Software
14:21 TR News; 100%!!!! 100%!!!! 100%!!!! 100%!!!! 100%!!!! Just like PFIZER! https://www.itweb.co.za/content/Olx4zMkndbL756km
14:21 TR Bot; Cybereason achieves 100% prevention, visibility, real-time protection | ITWeb
14:21 DaemonFC; Some of the automated tests on the KDE nightly live ISO failed.
14:21 bnchs; cybereason achieves 100% prevention
14:21 bnchs; cybersecurity hack happens
14:21 bnchs; it now achieves 98% prevention
14:21 bnchs; another one
14:22 bnchs; 95%
14:22 TR News; Company: our company 'research' shows 100% success! Verified by company!
14:22 DaemonFC; Humorously, the desktop_login test failed because a button moved in KDE and the test suite failed to click on it.
14:22 bnchs; another one
14:22 bnchs; 80%
14:22 bnchs; another one
14:22 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: oooh ohhhh...
14:22 bnchs; 20%
14:22 schestowitz-TR; take the one with 100%
14:22 schestowitz-TR; it must be DA BEST
14:23 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: my program works 100% of the time
14:23 schestowitz-TR; I know because I ran it once
14:23 schestowitz-TR; for a fragment of a second
14:23 bnchs; yes
14:23 schestowitz-TR; ship to product team!
14:23 schestowitz-TR; marketing marketing marketing marketing
14:23 bnchs; it leaked 10 MB of memory
14:23 bnchs; but still works
14:23 bnchs; SHIP
14:23 schestowitz; Steve Ballmer Going Crazy on Stage - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=I14b-C67EXY Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
14:23 TR Bot; Steve Ballmer Going Crazy on Stage - Invidious
14:24 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: don't tell us more
14:24 schestowitz-TR; we do NOT want to know
14:24 schestowitz-TR; show stoppers? no.
14:24 schestowitz-TR; that's bad for revenue
14:25 schestowitz-TR; no more delays
14:25 bnchs; fuck working efficiently
14:25 schestowitz-TR; the maid of Arnold Schwarzenegger was 100% fertile
14:25 bnchs; do tons of code workarounds
14:26 bnchs; *((struct hospital_data_t*)&data)
14:26 TR News; Borat trojan https://www.itworldcanada.com/article/cyber-security-today-april-6-2022-patch-linux-fast-secure-your-totolink-routers-news-on-the-new-borat-trojan-and-more-russia-ukraine-cyberwar/479456
14:26 TR Bot; Cyber Security Today, April 6, 2022 Patch Linux fast, secure your Totolink routers, news on the new Borat trojan and more Russia-Ukraine cyberwar | IT World Canada News
14:26 bnchs; what if the struct changes
14:26 bnchs; dont give a shit
14:27 TR News; Borat trojan. Is nice?
14:29 TR News; Grub4dosconfig startup fixed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163326#comment-33289
14:29 TR Bot; Latest in EasyOS | Tux Machines
14:30 TR News; Tachyum Successfully Runs FreeBSD in Prodigy Ecosystem; Expands Open-Source OS Support | Tachyum https://www.tachyum.com/media/press-releases/2022/04/05/tachyum-successfully-runs-freebsd-in-prodigy-ecosystem-expands-open-source-os-support/ Source: tachyum
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14:30 TR Bot; Successfully Runs FreeBSD in Prodigy Ecosystem; Expands Open-Source OS Support | Tachyum
14:31 matey; <schestowitz> Steve Ballmer Going Crazy on Stage <- good thing oprahs couch wasnt around
14:32 TR News; Deployd: The REST-API toolkit is not active anymore. https://medevel.com/deployd-rest-api/ Microsoft shithub.
14:32 Alternative link; CloudFlare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/deployd-rest-api/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://medevel.com/deployd-rest-api/
14:32 TR Bot; Deployd: The REST-API toolkit is not active anymore.
14:32 schestowitz-TR; matey: lol
14:32 schestowitz-TR; tom cruisew
14:32 schestowitz-TR; mental show for mental audience
14:32 matey; tom cruise: developers! developers! developers!
14:32 schestowitz-TR; "dr" phil
14:33 schestowitz-TR; and cookoos from Church of Scientology
14:33 schestowitz-TR; btw, oprah is a shill for bill gates
14:33 matey; phil had his license revoked
14:33 schestowitz-TR; don't ask me if she's also fronting for "rich people"
14:33 matey; oprah is a very rich woman. of course shes going to shill for very rich people
14:33 schestowitz-TR; yeah
14:33 matey; plus he does a lot work for CHARITY but doesnt like to talk about it
14:33 schestowitz-TR; I have lots more to say
14:33 schestowitz-TR; but she contributed to the dumbing down of USP
14:33 schestowitz-TR; *USA
14:34 matey; i doubt she was a significant factor really
14:34 matey; so many stupid talk shows
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14:35 schestowitz-TR; jerry springer became mainstream
14:35 matey; dr phil not as bad as
14:35 schestowitz-TR; not it's rebranded
14:35 matey; i was just going to say
14:35 schestowitz-TR; it's called "the oscars"
14:35 matey; dr phil wasnt as bad as springer
14:35 matey; and i fucking hate dr phil
14:35 schestowitz-TR; "fuck ricky lake... the oscars are on, there's gonna be some beating up"
14:35 schestowitz-TR; after the tyson fury fight... the oscars
14:35 matey; /me wonders whatever happened to ricki lake
14:36 schestowitz-TR; we have "trish" here
14:36 schestowitz-TR; that's the british equiv
14:36 schestowitz-TR; we also have springer-like shows
14:36 matey; "you can always go on ricki lake" pretty fly (for a white guy)
14:36 schestowitz-TR; with shoutings, and brawls
14:36 matey; yeah like the one in shawn of the dead
14:36 matey; "i still love im, trisha!"
14:36 schestowitz-TR; graham norton was a thing when I still had a tv
14:37 matey; i love graham norton
14:37 matey; but hes not daytime
14:37 matey; the nighttime talk shows are about celebs
14:37 matey; the daytime ones are the REALLY stupid ones
14:37 schestowitz-TR; i stopped watching
14:37 schestowitz-TR; paxman and all
14:37 matey; nighttime: comedy and celebs
14:37 schestowitz-TR; I'm not following
14:37 matey; daytime: absolute shit
14:37 schestowitz-TR; comeeddy and celebes => that's twitter
14:37 schestowitz-TR; and gulagtube
14:37 schestowitz-TR; to give impression of size
14:37 matey; daytime: facebook
14:38 schestowitz-TR; while they gaslight all the people who actually MADE UP the platform
14:38 matey; sure
14:38 matey; thats what always happens to these things
14:38 matey; a bunch of people build it up
14:38 schestowitz-TR; seems like a common modus operandi
14:38 matey; then they get escorted out of libreplanet
14:38 schestowitz-TR; they realise they cannot 'cash in' on ordinary people
14:38 matey; i mean off the property
14:38 matey; to make way for the new vips
14:38 schestowitz-TR; but brainwashing them for "RICH PEOPLE"... THAT'S big money
14:39 schestowitz-TR; matey: did you see the keynotes this year?
14:39 schestowitz-TR; I don't want to offend anyone, but W T H?
14:39 matey; i mean
14:39 matey; i saw the listings, i think
14:39 schestowitz-TR; they havd FUCKING SNOWDEN years ago
14:39 matey; yes
14:40 schestowitz; https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/the-librevr-project/
14:40 TR Bot; The LibreVR Project GNU MediaGoblin
14:40 schestowitz; watch this
14:40 schestowitz; no comment
14:40 schestowitz; watch first 60 secs
14:41 schestowitz-TR; don't say anything
14:41 schestowitz-TR; don't want to offend
14:41 schestowitz-TR; but you will get my point anyway
14:41 schestowitz-TR; I think we've run out of worthy talks to repost
14:42 schestowitz-TR; some of the ones I saw are not meeting basic standards
14:42 matey; "george ezra before he puts his makeup on"
14:43 psydruid; "It turns out that Microbell is AMD's largest customer now"
14:43 matey; its probably a very cool project
14:43 schestowitz-TR; if he's like DaemonFC's grandma, he hoards some under the bed
14:43 psydruid; New EPYC arrivals every month
14:44 matey; i have trouble getting behind vr because of the capacity for spying on users is unparalleled
14:44 schestowitz-TR; EPYC? Take a PYC!!
14:44 schestowitz-TR; Post it online to show off
14:44 schestowitz-TR; then tell roy it's no worse than what windows 'reviewers' do
14:45 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/murdered.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-murdered#comic )
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14:45 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
14:45 TR News; "Arch Linux is a Linux distribution, that offers binary packages in software repositories (aka. repos). To achieve this, packages are built from source files using tooling that is developed by the distribution and various volunteers" https://sleepmap.de/2022/packaging-for-arch-linux/
14:45 TR Bot; Packaging for Arch Linux | SleepMap
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14:46 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: vr is hardly new
14:46 schestowitz-TR; it's like a hype wave that keeps making comebacks every 10 years
14:46 schestowitz-TR; like nintengogo with "ar"
14:46 MinceR; what vr
14:46 schestowitz-TR; new buzzword
14:46 schestowitz-TR; metaverse
14:46 schestowitz-TR; second life
14:46 schestowitz-TR; "ar"
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14:46 schestowitz-TR; "hololens"
14:46 schestowitz-TR; well, biden used that as excuse to bail out microsoft again
14:47 schestowitz-TR; btw, same with watches
14:47 schestowitz-TR; and touchscreens
14:47 schestowitz-TR; they go back to the 80s and 90s
14:47 schestowitz-TR; touchscreens 1980s
14:47 schestowitz-TR; and still nobody buys a home computer with it
14:47 schestowitz-TR; it tires the arm and has many other ergonomic and usability issues
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14:47 schestowitz-TR; watches didn't even hold on
14:48 schestowitz-TR; not even with shitty apple trying to make them seem like a "cool" status symbol
14:48 schestowitz-TR; Android Wear and all... going nowhere
14:48 schestowitz-TR; like tabletgs
14:48 schestowitz-TR; they are said to make a comeback again
14:48 schestowitz-TR; oversized phones without network access except bt and wifi
14:49 matey; 27 years ago https://yewtu.be/watch?v=17euo2DzBZI
14:49 TR Bot; (1995) Nintendo Virtual Boy Commercial - Invidious
14:50 schestowitz-TR; oh, nice
14:50 schestowitz-TR; nintendo go
14:50 schestowitz-TR; only nicer
14:50 schestowitz; bill gates: wait, is Virtual Boy legal?
14:51 schestowitz; will melinda catch me?
14:52 matey; The Virtual Boy was panned by critics and was a commercial failure, even after repeated price drops. Its failure has been attributed to its high price, monochrome display, unimpressive stereoscopic effect, lack of true portability, and health concerns.
14:53 matey; Stereoscopic technology in video game consoles reemerged in later years to more success, including Nintendo's 3DS handheld console. As of March 2021[update], it is Nintendo's lowest-selling standalone console and the only to have less than 1 million units sold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Boy
14:53 TR Bot; Virtual Boy - Wikipedia
14:54 matey; According to David Sheff's book Game Over, the increasingly reluctant Yokoi never intended for the increasingly downscaled Virtual Boy to be released in its final form. However, Nintendo pushed it to market so that it could focus development resources on its next console, the Nintendo 64.
14:55 matey; By mid-1996, Blockbuster was selling its Virtual Boy units at $50 each.
14:55 schestowitz-TR; how much by today's money?
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14:55 schestowitz-TR; 200?
14:55 matey; i dont think that much
14:55 matey; To achieve a color display, Nintendo would have used a combination of red, green, and blue LEDs. At the time, blue LEDs were still considerably expensive and would in turn raise the price of the final product.
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15:03 schestowitz-TR; vr is everywhere now
15:03 schestowitz-TR; kids on their hoverboard
15:03 schestowitz-TR; with their sneakers that have lights inside them
15:03 schestowitz-TR; wearing a "smart" watch
15:04 schestowitz-TR; and "smart" gloves
15:04 schestowitz-TR; just like in the movies
15:05 schestowitz-TR; I suppose sci-fi futurists did not want to speculate wrong
15:05 schestowitz-TR; and in a non-PC way
15:05 schestowitz-TR; for movie scripts
15:05 schestowitz-TR; like kids going about with "I want to have sex" apps
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15:05 matey; honestly despite that presentation
15:05 schestowitz-TR; scrolling down "Walls" to press "like"
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15:06 matey; and despite the fact that theyre german, which seems to be overriding any sense of decency i have
15:06 schestowitz-TR; wanting to buy another phone to add 2 more CPU cores to open a "site" where they enter a postcode
15:06 matey; they do some really impressive things towards free software
15:06 matey; and they have an fsfe-based blog. you can imagine what i think about this.
15:06 matey; with that said, its a good blog.
15:07 schestowitz-TR; plural or singular?
15:07 schestowitz-TR; how many are involved?
15:07 matey; they is their preferred pronoun
15:07 matey; https://git.libre-soc.org/
15:07 TR Bot; Git
15:07 schestowitz-TR; I knopw
15:08 schestowitz-TR; but that leads to confusion
15:08 schestowitz-TR; we need not to allow abuse of language
15:08 schestowitz-TR; it causes confusion where I work
15:08 matey; i dont care, lots of words lead to confusion
15:08 schestowitz-TR; and leads to communication problems
15:08 matey; english is a shitty language
15:09 matey; imo singular they solves more problems than it causes
15:09 schestowitz-TR; that's not the point
15:09 schestowitz-TR; that's how English works
15:09 matey; i think it is
15:09 matey; no
15:09 schestowitz-TR; and it's more expressive
15:09 schestowitz-TR; should we also replace the word "I" with "we"?
15:09 matey; thats not "how english works"
15:09 matey; english has had singular they for a very long time
15:10 matey; i was using it years before it became a trans issue
15:10 matey; for convenience
15:10 schestowitz-TR; depends on the context
15:10 matey; yes!
15:10 schestowitz-TR; like inside a sentence
15:10 matey; ambiguous words always depend on context
15:10 schestowitz-TR; but now it's abused
15:10 matey; like apple
15:10 schestowitz-TR; and it leads to sever communication issuesa
15:10 matey; is it a computer? is it a fruit? is it a person named apple?
15:10 schestowitz-TR; even results in bad outcomes and work
15:10 matey; it depends on the usage
15:10 schestowitz-TR; because issues are being miscommunicated
15:11 matey; my guess is youre exaggerating
15:11 schestowitz-TR; many languages have gendered words
15:11 schestowitz-TR; and those are useful
15:11 schestowitz-TR; because they save time working around mbiguity
15:11 schestowitz-TR; "go with her"
15:11 schestowitz-TR; "he solved the problem"
15:11 matey; her is also ambiguous
15:11 schestowitz-TR; "they are complaining about downtime"
15:12 matey; pronouns by nature are ambiguous
15:12 matey; unless theyre personal
15:12 schestowitz-TR; they limit the scope
15:12 schestowitz-TR; scope-limiting is powerful
15:12 matey; sure
15:12 schestowitz-TR; in some languages there are plural female
15:12 schestowitz-TR; or plural male
15:12 schestowitz-TR; those two can help
15:12 schestowitz-TR; even in poetry
15:12 schestowitz-TR; watering down the language
15:13 schestowitz-TR; makes the languages more primitive
15:13 matey; but i mean "she" only narrows a large crowd down to about 52% of the crowd without other context
15:13 matey; its ambiguous too
15:13 schestowitz-TR; but it's better than nothing
15:13 matey; unless its incorrect
15:13 schestowitz-TR; this abuse of language was never about simplifying lamngauge
15:13 schestowitz-TR; it's about political goals
15:13 matey; if youre saying someone should change their identity to conform to english, thats a bit weird
15:14 schestowitz-TR; and whe politics damage linguistics we can reject the change
15:14 schestowitz-TR; like the word "liberal"
15:14 matey; it's about political goals <- you know, ive watched feminism and lgbtq get hijacked for bullshit purposes for years
15:14 matey; and i cant say im concerned about singular they
15:14 matey; because its a non-problem
15:14 schestowitz-TR; it is
15:14 schestowitz-TR; at workplaces
15:14 schestowitz-TR; it leads to excommunications
15:15 schestowitz-TR; and then leads to wrong actions
15:15 matey; excommunications <- who was excommunicated at work
15:15 schestowitz-TR; typo
15:15 matey; i thought maybe yes
15:15 schestowitz-TR; miscommunications
15:15 matey; right
15:15 matey; english is like c
15:15 matey; if you dont use it properly bad shit can happen
15:16 schestowitz-TR; c is english
15:16 matey; lets eat grandpa!
15:16 matey; lets eat, grandpa!
15:17 schestowitz-TR; punctuation matters
15:17 schestowitz-TR; should we remove it?
15:17 matey; in this instance quite a lot
15:17 matey; some punctuation absolutely matters more than others
15:18 schestowitz-TR; let's also remove all the doubly-ungood words
15:18 schestowitz-TR; just in case
15:18 schestowitz-TR; in case people might use the language to "incite"
15:18 matey; im actually arguing in favour of adding a word already in use, not removing words
15:18 matey; "adding"
15:19 matey; The Oxford English Dictionary traces singular they back to 1375, where it appears in the medieval romance William and the Werewolf. Except for the old-style language of that poem, its use of singular they to refer to an unnamed person seems very modern.
15:20 matey; Even people who object to singular they as a grammatical error use it themselves when theyre not looking, a sure sign that anyone who objects to singular they is, if not a fool or an idiot, at least hopelessly out of date. https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/
15:20 TR Bot; A brief history of singular they | Oxford English Dictionary
15:20 schestowitz-TR; maybe for a reason
15:20 matey; not my words...
15:20 schestowitz-TR; maybe it was adopted to make the language more expressive, less ambiguous
15:20 matey; Professor of English and linguistics at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
15:20 matey; granted it would have even more "oompf" if he were british
15:21 matey; but it IS the oed blog
15:21 schestowitz-TR; published 2018
15:21 schestowitz-TR; you lose your job at universities now if you take another stance
15:21 matey; Former Chief Editor of the OED Robert Burchfield, in The New Fowlers Dictionary of Modern English Usage (1996), dismisses objections to singular they as unsupported by the historical record.
15:21 matey; <schestowitz-TR> you lose your job at universities now if you take another stance <- think thats extreme of course
15:21 schestowitz-TR; it is extreme
15:21 schestowitz-TR; of course
15:21 matey; of course it is
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15:22 matey; but nonetheless
15:22 schestowitz-TR; good luck being a uni professor and even SUGGESTING that Russia MIGHT have something to be unhappy about in Ukraine/NATO
15:22 matey; in The New Fowlers Dictionary of Modern English Usage (1996), dismisses objections to singular they as unsupported by the historical record. <- plural-only-they is NOT "how english works"
15:22 matey; its how some people would prefer it work.
15:22 schestowitz-TR; You cannot even THINK about saying something remotely in that direction
15:23 schestowitz-TR; and with social control media society became more like that
15:23 schestowitz-TR; deploatform/cancel culture
15:23 schestowitz-TR; witch-burning, digital version
15:23 matey; you know i rebel against a lot of formalism, particularly in english
15:23 chunky; tech rights are so important!!!!!!!!
15:23 matey; and i reject the code of conduct at lieplanet as well
15:23 schestowitz-TR; matey: so watch out
15:23 schestowitz-TR; you might be next
15:23 matey; LOL
15:23 matey; im used to being next
15:24 matey; and its especially funny coming from you
15:24 schestowitz-TR; now you can get banned from irc for the f work alone
15:24 schestowitz-TR; *word
15:24 matey; well i dont typically bother with irc
15:24 matey; he says in irc
15:24 matey; but its true
15:24 schestowitz-TR; can you imagine carlin doing a skit in 2022?
15:24 schestowitz-TR; not 15 years ago, which is iirc when he died?
15:24 matey; yes, via satellite from a remote location
15:24 schestowitz-TR; not only would they not air it
15:24 matey; possibly from a cave in afghanistan
15:24 schestowitz-TR; "concern groups" would corner the old man
15:25 schestowitz-TR; "FUCKING! IRISH! MAN! WHITE! DISGUSTING! OFFENSIVE! NAZI! FASCIST!"
15:25 matey; i agree with you on the nature of the problem
15:26 schestowitz-TR; "TRUMP APOLOGIST"
15:26 matey; not the role that singular they plays within in
15:26 matey; within it
15:26 schestowitz-TR; "but, listen, he didn't even MENTION TRUMP!"
15:26 schestowitz-TR; sorry
15:26 schestowitz-TR; "but, listen, THEY didn't even MENTION TRUMP!"
15:27 matey; the ultra-left problem is a real problem
15:27 schestowitz-TR; it's not even left
15:27 matey; has been for 100 years
15:27 schestowitz-TR; imo
15:27 matey; oh it really is
15:27 matey; maybe not iyo
15:27 schestowitz-TR; left means something like antiwar
15:27 schestowitz-TR; of coexistence
15:27 schestowitz-TR; that barely exists in that sphere
15:28 matey; ultra-left has an interesting meaning wrt all this
15:28 schestowitz-TR; those whom you call ultra-left does not vote Green
15:28 schestowitz-TR; or Communist
15:28 schestowitz-TR; they vote Wall Street
15:28 matey; yes
15:28 matey; thats the problem
15:28 schestowitz-TR; ok
15:28 matey; heres how that happens
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15:28 matey; the left support workers-- always. they support the working class
15:28 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163419
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15:29 matey; calling yourself left and having disdain for the working classes is simply a joke.
15:29 TR News; Free Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163420
15:29 TR Bot; Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
15:29 matey; but the ultra-left
15:29 TR News; Fedora and Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163421
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15:29 matey; they get these ideas, these priorities
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15:29 matey; which suddenly overtake everything else!
15:29 matey; now the workers dont matter, society doesnt matter
15:29 matey; ONLY THIS THING
15:29 matey; call it extremism if you like
15:30 matey; they start out with otherwise reasonable ideas-- ideas for progress
15:30 matey; but they abandon the needs of the working classes
15:30 schestowitz-TR; but wait
15:30 schestowitz-TR; no
15:30 matey; because of this they cant find any allies in the left
15:30 matey; yes
15:30 schestowitz-TR; it never starts with needs of working class
15:30 matey; because of this they cant find any allies in the left
15:30 schestowitz-TR; that's the issue
15:30 schestowitz-TR; it's not in their lexicon
15:30 matey; so where do they turn? any port in a storm
15:30 schestowitz-TR; we need to do more unionisation
15:31 schestowitz-TR; and less of this fruitless pronoun-policing
15:31 matey; facebook, microsoft, ibm, dept of defense
15:31 schestowitz-TR; or more debate about wall street
15:31 schestowitz-TR; less about abortion
15:31 matey; they end up siding with the capitalists
15:31 schestowitz-TR; they focus on divisive nonsense, promoted intentionally by the ruling class
15:31 schestowitz-TR; because it is so divisive
15:31 schestowitz-TR; that we eat our own
15:31 matey; they focus on divisive nonsense, promoted intentionally by the ruling class <- this is what ends up happening
15:31 schestowitz-TR; while they eat all the pies
15:31 DaemonFC; Mr. GOOLAG Loves I.C.E.
15:31 schestowitz-TR; when I say they I mean plural for the oligarchs
15:31 matey; <schestowitz-TR> that we eat our own <- thats what happens when you let the ultra-left take over
15:32 matey; whats so funny about this ultra-left is
15:32 matey; its not a term the right came up with, but the left.
15:32 schestowitz-TR; but it is not ultra-left
15:32 schestowitz-TR; calling it that is misleading
15:32 matey; its not a new term, but a 100 year old term
15:33 schestowitz-TR; and serves to demonise the left
15:33 matey; nope!
15:33 matey; it doesnt.
15:33 schestowitz-TR; the bigots (nationalists) use the term
15:33 matey; nope, youre getting history wrong, but go ahead.
15:33 schestowitz-TR; ok, never mind
15:33 matey; it doesnt demonise the left at all
15:34 schestowitz-TR; name for me an org that is ultraleft
15:34 schestowitz-TR; is sfc ultra-left?
15:34 DaemonFC; What Alan Pope is suggesting you do with Snap would likely break Ubuntu itself at some point.
15:34 schestowitz-TR; CAIR?
15:34 schestowitz-TR; ultra-left?
15:34 matey; is sfc ultra-left? <- kuhn is
15:34 schestowitz-TR; apologists of radical islamists?
15:34 DaemonFC; It removes the entire Snap system, and Ubuntu is moving away from Debian packages.
15:34 schestowitz-TR; SPLC
15:34 schestowitz-TR; ultra-left?
15:34 matey; i dont know wtf splc is, honestly
15:34 matey; i know what it stands for
15:34 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: he left canonical
15:34 schestowitz-TR; went to some proprietary company
15:35 DaemonFC; Of course if you intend to stay on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS for 10 years, you're not going to worry about it on that system, probably.
15:35 schestowitz-TR; maybe relaised he hated it there
15:35 schestowitz-TR; stopped blogging
15:35 matey; and Ubuntu is moving away from Debian packages. <- for a few years running yes
15:35 schestowitz-TR; then started some (iirc) shithub prokect
15:35 matey; <schestowitz-TR> is sfc ultra-left? <- most of the things you complain about are examples of ultra-left
15:35 schestowitz-TR; splc used to be ok
15:35 schestowitz-TR; but that changed
15:35 schestowitz-TR; it got hijacked
15:35 schestowitz-TR; much like eff
15:35 matey; splc used to be ok <- what decade?
15:36 matey; eff actually did some good
15:36 schestowitz-TR; lf was always the shit, but getting worse each year
15:36 matey; back in the day
15:36 matey; i dont know if splc ever did
15:36 schestowitz-TR; mozilla alsol
15:36 schestowitz-TR; is mozilla "ultra-left"?
15:36 schestowitz-TR; the management?
15:36 schestowitz-TR; the gulag marionette?
15:36 matey; is mozilla "ultra-left"? <- some of their politics are
15:36 schestowitz-TR; gulag is not left at all
15:36 matey; the gulag marionette? <- i dont have a lot to say about him at this time
15:37 schestowitz-TR; baker
15:37 matey; theres nothing bad i could say that isnt said constantly, that i havent already said myself
15:37 schestowitz-TR; who clobbers mozilla
15:37 schestowitz-TR; baker is not he
15:37 matey; baker is a terrible human being.
15:37 schestowitz-TR; or him
15:37 matey; i was not referring to baker when i said he
15:37 matey; i thought you meant anotehr gulag person
15:37 schestowitz-TR; baker ruined firefox
15:37 schestowitz-TR; and by extension the web
15:37 schestowitz-TR; many sites no longer test with firefox
15:37 matey; baker is (afaik) only connected to gulag via bribes
15:38 matey; was she priorly employed there or something?
15:38 schestowitz-TR; fturns out posting junk and removing engineers kind of drives user away
15:38 matey; many sites no longer test with firefox <- its a wonder when the browser even opens, let alone renders a website
15:38 schestowitz-TR; she helps gmail take over email
15:38 matey; nonetheless i thought you were referring to someone else
15:39 schestowitz-TR; what is ultra-left then? bkuhn?
15:39 matey; you know ive answered SEVERAL instances of this question, just now, including that one
15:39 schestowitz-TR; ask bkuhn what he thinks of israel shelling gaza
15:39 matey; bkuhn is absolutely ultra-left
15:39 schestowitz-TR; to see how "let" he is
15:39 schestowitz-TR; *lefgt
15:40 matey; youre still not clear on what ultra-left means, although ive explained it
15:40 matey; thats why youre struggling with this
15:40 schestowitz-TR; maybe it's just a giant misnomer
15:40 matey; you think im just slapping words together out of convenience
15:40 matey; or opportunism
15:40 schestowitz-TR; another one the bigots habitually use not is "alt-left"
15:40 matey; maybe it's just a giant misnomer <- maybe. i happen to think it explains the past 100 years (especially the present) very neatly, once its understood what it actually means
15:41 schestowitz-TR; apparently coined by Clinton's team
15:41 schestowitz-TR; and then adopted by Trump and others
15:41 schestowitz-TR; to mean people who oppose fascists
15:41 matey; well as i said, im not quoting anyone from the past 40 years, its older than that
15:41 schestowitz-TR; ok, I need to read up on it
15:41 matey; like singular they goes back to what was it-- 375? 1375? a ways
15:41 schestowitz-TR; maybe it's some oddball satirical word
15:41 schestowitz-TR; like "ultraorthodox"
15:41 matey; ok, I need to read up on it <- ill find you a link
15:42 matey; ultraorthodox <- isnt a satirical word at all
15:42 schestowitz-TR; which typically boils down to fanatic nutcases
15:42 schestowitz-TR; whereas the term orthodox on its own does not imply that
15:42 matey; it describes anything to the right of orthodox judaism
15:42 matey; where for example, women are not allowed to sing
15:42 matey; because of some line that implies female singing is a problem
15:43 schestowitz-TR; let me check wikipedia on "ultra left"
15:43 matey; wikipedia wont help you
15:43 matey; actually let me check if it might
15:43 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-leftism
15:43 TR Bot; Ultra-leftism - Wikipedia
15:43 schestowitz; it's marxist
15:43 schestowitz; bkuhn is an avid capitalist shill
15:43 schestowitz; nowhere like marxist
15:44 matey; you know what
15:44 matey; wikipedia might actually help here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-leftism
15:44 schestowitz; ah
15:44 schestowitz-TR; wait, so they have colliding defs
15:44 matey; <schestowitz> bkuhn is an avid capitalist shill <- he might be, but it wouldnt negate anything im saying
15:44 schestowitz-TR; seems like abused term, like "liberal"
15:44 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-leftism#Pejorative_usage
15:44 TR Bot; Ultra-leftism - Wikipedia
15:45 schestowitz; "Used pejoratively, ultra-left is used to label positions that are adopted without taking notice of the current situation or of the consequences which would result from following a proposed course. The term is used to criticize leftist positions that, for example, are seen as overstating the tempo of events, propose initiatives that overestimate the current level of militancy, or which employ appeals to violence in their activism"
15:45 schestowitz; So maybe that's what it nowadays means
15:45 schestowitz; so the original term lost its substance
15:45 matey; so heres something the article mentions:
15:45 matey; "The mainstream Marxist critique of such a position began with Vladimir Lenin's "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder,"
15:45 matey; thats actually the work i was going to link you to.
15:45 matey; and its far from "recent"
15:46 matey; and you notice that it comes from the "right-wing bigot" vladimir lenin
15:46 matey; who of course is neither right wing nor a bigot
15:47 matey; but as you can see, the term "ultra-left" as a pejoritive
15:47 matey; is actually coined by the left itself.
15:47 matey; not the right.
15:47 matey; and its not recent either.
15:47 schestowitz-TR; but the right latches onto it
15:47 matey; and yet it is incredibly applicable to current events
15:47 schestowitz-TR; "alt-left" was not made up by Trump
15:47 schestowitz-TR; but team HRC
15:47 matey; but the right latches onto it <- the right will latch onto anything that gives them 15 minutes of fame
15:48 schestowitz-TR; anyway, bbiab
15:48 matey; but team HRC <- is incredibly capitalist
15:49 matey; "The term has been popularized in the United States by the Socialist Workers Party at the time of the Vietnam war, using the term to describe opponents in the anti-war movement including Gerry Healy."
15:49 matey; "The term has been popularized in the United States by the Socialist Workers Party" <- also not very right wing
15:49 matey; and not TERRIBLY recent (but certainly moreso, as there are veterans of that war living today)
15:50 matey; and here wikipedia echoes what i was saying before you went in search of more info:
15:50 matey; "Ultra-leftism is often associated with leftist sectarianism, in which a socialist organization might attempt to put its own short-term interests before the long-term interests of the working class and its allies."
15:51 matey; #techrights : 04/06/22 14:30 <matey> they start out with otherwise reasonable ideas-- ideas for progress
15:51 matey; but they abandon the needs of the working classes
15:51 matey; #techrights : 04/06/22 14:30 <matey> but they abandon the needs of the working classes
15:51 matey; #techrights : 04/06/22 14:29 <matey> they get these ideas, these priorities
15:51 matey; which suddenly overtake everything else!
15:52 matey; this is highly relevant not only for explaining the tragedy of contemporary politics...
15:52 matey; but it also coherently explains what the fuck has happened to the free software movement in recent yaers
15:53 matey; in not-entirely-outdated terms that we have known about for nearly a century, because similar problems existed that far back.
15:53 matey; this is HIGHLY relevant to free software
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15:53 matey; it gives us an idea of whats happened, where its headed, and even what can be done about it
15:54 matey; but it also warns against putting the ultra-left in charge (which they are. of lieplanet.)
15:54 matey; and this is not an anti-left position
15:54 matey; the ultra-left ultimately hijack, oppose and thwart the left.
15:55 matey; weve seen it happen
15:55 matey; it even explains how otherwise well-meaning people can get sucked into the idea that this nonsense is actually progress.
15:56 matey; but then turn against progress and sell it off to github, microsoft, google etc
15:56 matey; not to mention capitalists in general (on a larger scale than the free sw movement)
15:57 matey; on the one side you have people like coraline ada ehmke who are destroying freedom with her bullshit
15:58 matey; but then you have people like leah who wont throw away the cause of freedom for another cause, but instead work to make progress with both.
15:58 matey; bluntly, we need more people like leah and we need to avoid bullshit like coralines
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16:23 schestowitz-TR; ok, i'm back. done recording.
16:23 schestowitz-TR; epo breaking laws again.
16:23 schestowitz-TR; am i living in china?????
16:24 matey; nice of them to follow a few.
16:24 schestowitz-TR; even that is rare
16:24 schestowitz-TR; I am upset that the media isn't covering it
16:24 matey; <schestowitz-TR> am i living in china????? <- i dont know, the world seems to import a lot from there
16:24 schestowitz-TR; it is COMPLECITY
16:24 schestowitz-TR; like in CHINA
16:24 schestowitz-TR; *COMPLICIT
16:24 matey; mmhmm
16:25 schestowitz-TR; welcome to newsroom
16:25 schestowitz-TR; rule number 1 in this fight club
16:25 schestowitz-TR; We ignore THIS scandal ->>>
16:25 schestowitz-TR; it's ABOVE criticism
16:25 matey; you know i have a mostly irrational hatred of germans, which is funny because its not even my least-favourite country
16:25 matey; my least favourite country is china, and i like chinese people just fine.
16:25 matey; i only dislike the country. but with germans, its different.
16:26 matey; theyre basically the only group i can think of that i have a (mostly) irrational hatred towards. im working on it.
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16:27 matey; sometimes you need a break from shilling for microsoft and apple
16:27 matey; and ibm is perfect for that
16:27 schestowitz-TR; edpo reinforces your stigma
16:27 schestowitz-TR; many who work there are not german
16:27 schestowitz-TR; and they thought they moved to a more civilised eu state
16:27 matey; well i dont really factor the epo in
16:27 matey; i mean im not a fan
16:28 matey; but theyre not a factor
16:28 schestowitz-TR; they are when it comes to software
16:28 matey; of course
16:28 schestowitz-TR; they impact patent policy wordwide
16:28 schestowitz-TR; it's a cabal
16:28 schestowitz-TR; through wipo
16:28 matey; not even doubted
16:28 schestowitz-TR; wipo and two as two of several unbrellas
16:28 schestowitz-TR; *wtoi
16:28 schestowitz-TR; *wto
16:29 schestowitz-TR; brb
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16:40 psydruid; I hope that WIPO and EPO people will mysteriously disappear when they go to Eastern European and Asian countries
16:41 matey; id actually start with wipo
16:41 matey; they need it more urgently
16:41 psydruid; "sorry, he got lost somewhere"
16:41 matey; so, fingers crossed
16:41 matey; but if epo was right behind, the more the merrier
16:41 matey; and then the eu.
16:42 matey; psydruid, i may have asked you this before, but have you seen this yet? https://libre-soc.org/
16:42 TR Bot; libre-soc
16:42 psydruid; all of then must be destroyed one by one
16:42 matey; it looks interesting, but i never trust my first impression if its positive :)
16:43 psydruid; matey, I have, I brought it up here a year or two ago
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16:43 matey; whats the verdict?
16:43 psydruid; wait and see
16:43 matey; that is fair
16:43 bnchs__; psydruid, nah he didn't get lost
16:44 bnchs__; he just took a little.. vacation
16:44 matey; there was a presentation of some vr thing at lieplanet
16:44 bnchs__; a forever vacation
16:44 matey; i would have rather seen one on libre-soc, but maybe they did one on that already
16:44 psydruid; I don't know if the people working on it can be trusted to deliver on their promise, considering who they are
16:45 psydruid; but I give them the benefit of the doubt
16:45 matey; <psydruid> I don't know if the people working on it can be trusted to deliver on their promise, considering who they are <- i mean
16:45 matey; it depends on how much fsfe is entrenched with that imo
16:45 matey; i dont understand platens connection with fsfe, just a member? staff?
16:46 matey; if staff, then fuck the whole thing
16:46 matey; if member... thats too bad.
16:46 matey; if fsfe has nothing to do with libre-soc really, thats a good sign.
16:46 matey; german politics are incredibly fucked no matter wha
16:46 psydruid; I don't know who any of these people are and I don't know any of these organizations
16:47 matey; oh fsfe is a nightmare
16:47 psydruid; and I would like to keep it that way
16:47 matey; but reading platens blog is good stuff
16:47 matey; <psydruid> and I would like to keep it that way <- yeah i wont tell you anything about fsfe then
16:47 psydruid; that's why I don't comment on them in general
16:47 matey; reasonable
16:48 psydruid; they just distract from the issues we should be tackling
16:48 matey; i dont really disagree
16:48 matey; but im not sure theyre entirely avoidable either
16:48 psydruid; but that's my take on it
16:48 matey; like sometimes theres a point to discussing them
16:48 matey; however--
16:48 psydruid; they are not relevant to what I am generally doing
16:48 matey; giving them TOO MUCH attention leads to exactly the problem you describe
16:49 matey; they are not relevant to what I am generally doing <- yeah, i like that youre fiercely independent
16:49 psydruid; if anything I would like to see them all destroyed
16:49 matey; where do you draw the line though
16:49 matey; i mean thats what im always trying to figure out-- where should the line be drawn
16:50 matey; like i could easily knock all the kde stuff off my fsd fork
16:50 matey; but for now its more useful to put it at the bottom
16:50 matey; freedom is really (imo) about where we draw the line.
16:51 matey; too many compromises and we are ruined
16:51 matey; too few, and we are idle
16:51 matey; though the usual threat is too many compromises
16:51 psydruid; I draw the line in that I still use that stuff as needed
16:51 matey; right
16:51 matey; that makes sense
16:52 psydruid; but what I work on myself is independent from that
16:52 TR News; As the time for bording aproached, the gate agent announced that, "we do not have a captain or first officer for this flight." gemini://1436.ninja/gemlog/20220405.gmi
16:52 matey; of course
16:52 psydruid; independent from anything, really
16:53 matey; i dont think theyre staff
16:53 matey; "My name is Tobias Platen and I'm fellow 2069. Currently I'm studying Computer Science at THM-Giessen."
16:53 matey; Supporters/tobias_platen
16:53 matey; theyre a supporter, thats why they get to host a blog there
16:54 psydruid; people want to be on winning teams
16:55 matey; <psydruid> people want to be on winning teams <- fuck, yes
16:55 matey; its an awful shortcut
16:55 MinceR; people are willing to sacrifice themselves to be on winning teams
16:56 MinceR; i hate humans so much
16:56 matey; <MinceR> people are willing to sacrifice themselves to be on winning teams <- yes
16:56 matey; <MinceR> i hate humans so much <- lol
16:56 schestowitz-TR; spamnil
16:56 matey; theres nothing genetically wrong with us.
16:56 matey; you hate society.
16:56 matey; its not a species issue
16:56 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: y u so angry !!!
16:57 matey; because people are dicks (which is true)
16:57 schestowitz-TR; an over-generalisation
16:57 schestowitz-TR; but depends where you live
16:57 matey; but still true
16:57 matey; not much :)
16:58 schestowitz-TR; I'd say Manchester has fewer dicks than London
16:58 schestowitz-TR; I don't mean literal dicks
16:58 matey; id say they make up for it
16:58 matey; no, no one meant literal dicks
16:58 matey; that would be funnier
16:58 schestowitz-TR; dick brandon
16:58 MinceR; this society is what this species is capable of
16:58 matey; <MinceR> this society is what this species is capable of <- i think the species is capable of better
16:58 matey; this society is a giant turd though
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 71.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 255.58
16:59 matey; its a sort of boss-level turd-monster
17:01 DaemonFC; Heh, I dropped Fallout 4 directly into Wine 7.5 in Fedora 36 and it works great.
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17:15 TR News; [Meme] Its All Connected (and Wired) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/social-control-media-and-apps/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/06/social-control-media-and-apps/
17:15 TR Bot; [Meme] Its All Connected (and Wired) | Techrights
17:15 psydruid; this society can be destroyed so we can have peace in anarchy
17:17 TR News; Coronavirus (COVID-19) in the UK: "Today's update is delayed. The current estimate for release is 5:30pm. Further updates will be provided here." Need more time to 'cook' the numbers a bit to downplay the issue?
17:17 TR News; Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Will Be Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, New Upgrade Tool in the Works Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163423
17:17 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Will Be Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, New Upgrade Tool in the Works | Tux Machines
17:17 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163424
17:17 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
17:19 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/files/Kris-Chase/aswinterapproachesthemajesticbreadedshrimpmakesitslongandlonelytrekbacktoitsbirthplacetostartafamilywowyum.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-aswinterapproachesthemajesticbreadedshrimpmakesitslongandlonelytrekbacktoitsbirthplacetostartafamilywowyum#comic )
17:19 Alternative link; CloudFlare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/files/Kris-Chase/aswinterapproachesthemajesticbreadedshrimpmakesitslongandlonelytrekbacktoitsbirthplacetostartafamilywowyum.png https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://files.explosm.net/files/Kris-Chase/aswinterapproachesthemajesticbreadedshrimpmakesitslongandlonelytrekbacktoitsbirthplacetostartafamilywowyum.png
17:19 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
17:31 TR News; 17:31PM. "Today's update is delayed. The current estimate for release is 5:30pm. Further updates will be provided here." I've even bypassed cache. They're making false promises.
17:34 TR News; "The current estimate for release is 5:30pm" -NHS coronavirus portal. The current estimate for release is 5 minutes ago (future tense).
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17:50 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/05/never-tell-me-the-odds-04-05-22/
17:50 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/05/never-tell-me-the-odds-04-05-22/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/05/never-tell-me-the-odds-04-05-22/
17:50 TR Bot; The Odds? Never Tell Me The Odds (19 Pics)
17:56 TR News; Over 20,000 COVID-19 Patients in British Hospitals, NHS Reports It Has DATA ISSUE and 2,714 Deaths [...] Added Retrospectively on 6 April 2022 http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/06/data-issue/
17:56 TR Bot; Blog Archive Over 20,000 COVID-19 Patients in British Hospitals, NHS Reports It Has DATA ISSUE and 2,714 Deaths [...] Added Retrospectively on 6 April 2022
17:56 schestowitz-TR; China did the same, adding about 3000 in one day
17:56 schestowitz-TR; after faking relative calm for months
18:01 TR News; Will excess mortality report also need to be amended in light of those 'missing' 2700+ dead Brits? https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/excess-mortality-in-england-weekly-reports 2,714 Deaths [...] Added Retrospectively on 6 April 2022 http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/06/data-issue/
18:01 TR Bot; mortality in England: weekly reports - GOV.UK
18:01 psydruid; https://docs.maxxinteractive.com/
18:01 Alternative link; CloudFlare: maxxinteractive.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://docs.maxxinteractive.com/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://docs.maxxinteractive.com/
18:01 TR Bot; MaXX Interactive Desktop
18:02 psydruid; I don't what exactly the licensing for this amounts to, but it might put current bloated DEs to shame
18:03 DaemonFC; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-AMDGPU-Hotplug
18:03 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-AMDGPU-Hotplug https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-AMDGPU-Hotplug
18:03 TR Bot; Working On AMD GPU Hotplug Support For Linux Driver - Phoronix
18:03 psydruid; I already dropped back to Mate on all of my systems, because all the other DEs are breaking left and right
18:03 DaemonFC; Micro Larabel again.
18:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, OMG! ~100 lines of code. Thank God for Microsoft!
18:04 TR News; These charts are misleading as 5-year averages take into account the peaks from TWO years of COVID-19 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1065176/Weekly_report_mortality__W13.pdf
18:04 Alternative link; CloudFlare: service.gov.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1065176/Weekly_report_mortality__W13.pdf https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1065176/Weekly_report_mortality__W13.pdf
18:04 psydruid; Micro Hotplug That Buttplug!
18:04 psydruid; he really likes it
18:04 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: he is compromised
18:04 schestowitz-TR; it's AMD
18:05 schestowitz-TR; so all the Microsoft-AMD lovefests get covered by that siter
18:06 DaemonFC; About Fedora criticizing Nvidia. Their project leader didn't say anything worse than I did.
18:06 schestowitz-TR; 'project leader'
18:06 schestowitz-TR; ICBM employee
18:07 schestowitz-TR; 100% of the time
18:07 DaemonFC; I just said Nvidia's driver is full of bizarre bugs and does not conform to the way the rest of the system works, and people shouldn't buy their hardware if that's the only driver that works with it.
18:07 psydruid; gang leader
18:07 schestowitz-TR; soon he'll turn 50
18:07 schestowitz-TR; and official become "dinobaby"
18:07 DaemonFC; They threatened me for saying that/
18:07 schestowitz-TR; on the "chopping block"
18:07 psydruid; Fedora threatened you?
18:07 schestowitz-TR; they did
18:07 schestowitz-TR; he showed me logs
18:07 schestowitz-TR; they also ousted some longtimers
18:08 schestowitz-TR; only ICBM can criticise things
18:08 psydruid; I would threaten Fedora with extinction, if I cared
18:08 schestowitz-TR; volunteers are slaves
18:08 DaemonFC; With being banned from the rooms and having my COPR taken down.
18:08 schestowitz-TR; just smile and keep on working
18:08 schestowitz-TR; criticism is a privilege
18:08 psydruid; but I don't
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18:08 psydruid; just smile and pull the trigger
18:08 DaemonFC; I only had a COPR so I could start building Firefox with GCC if I needed to.
18:08 psydruid; what is COPR?
18:09 psydruid; sounds like a disease
18:09 DaemonFC; I do not trust Clang/LLVM to produce good code. In many cases, they have typically "implemented" GCC code hardening features by no-op.
18:09 DaemonFC; That is, it says it supports that thing and then does nothing.
18:09 DaemonFC; It's strictly there so the build doesn't fail. Maintains "compatibility" with GCC.
18:10 psydruid; that's sneaky
18:10 psydruid; I guess they really want to replace GCC with nops
18:11 DaemonFC; Very sneaky. And the fact that Ubuntu has all of these compliance modes with government "security" standards and then builds things like Firefox using Clang/LLVM, says that the government security standards are worthless.
18:11 DaemonFC; The government itself speaks of cyberattacks targeting the government.
18:11 psydruid; in POWER assembly you have to insert nops so the assembler has some room to rearrange things
18:11 DaemonFC; Then there's still agencies at the state level in Illinois on Windows XP.
18:13 psydruid; that's a national security risk
18:13 psydruid; but not really, because there is no security
18:13 DaemonFC; When I went into one of their offices, they had Dell Pentium 4 systems running XP. Dozens of them in one room.
18:13 DaemonFC; In 2017.
18:14 DaemonFC; Maybe that's changed now, I don't know. XP was so old then that I'm surprised they could do anything with it.
18:15 DaemonFC; There's no reason why Windows XP couldn't still be around today, but Microsoft's hardware partners always cut off the drivers, and then there's product activation for anyone who won't crack it, so no legitimate channels.
18:15 DaemonFC; I think I mentioned hacking up some Windows XP drivers to get Windows 98 running.
18:16 DaemonFC; Intel put a check in the installer to fail on Windows 98, but you could extract the drivers themselves from it and right click the INFs and tell Windows to install them, then it recognized 2004/2005 era hardware.
18:17 DaemonFC; Microsoft and Intel work together to do this to prevent people from continuing to flog an old operating system because it's not as much of a pile of crap as their latest one.
18:18 psydruid; yes
18:18 psydruid; it's collusion
18:18 DaemonFC; They did it again with Intel Skylake. They let you install Windows 7 to it, but then all of the updates started checking to see if you were using Skylake and failing to install if you did.
18:18 DaemonFC; There was a shim to lie to the update installer to pretend you were using a processor that was a year older.
18:19 DaemonFC; Then the updates worked again.
18:19 matey; <psydruid> I already dropped back to Mate on all of my systems, because all the other DEs are breaking left and right <- once someone calls it a desktop environment theyve probably lost already
18:20 psydruid; I had Windows 10 installed on an SSD in my old AMD desktop from 2008 until last year summer for proctored exams and it was workable but slow
18:20 matey; theoretically it should be no problem
18:20 psydruid; yes
18:20 DaemonFC; Processors don't change much year after year anymore.
18:20 matey; but really, install components
18:20 DaemonFC; So it becomes weighing them down with excess junk to make the older model seem really slow.
18:20 matey; you dont need an "environment"
18:20 DaemonFC; Thus, the illusion of progress.
18:20 matey; i have a "desktop environment"-- its a window manager and applications.
18:21 matey; but which desktop environment? well, i installed a window manager. and some applications.
18:21 SomeH4x0r; wish they died with these exams
18:21 SomeH4x0r; why does it matter to harass people?
18:21 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Microsoft has a new taskbar space waster.
18:21 matey; SomeH4x0r who
18:21 SomeH4x0r; proctored exams admins
18:21 matey; ohh
18:22 DaemonFC; It tells you the weather and takes about three inches to do it, and if you click on it, there's MSN News that only opens in Edge.
18:22 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imMRzBzQm1U
18:22 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=imMRzBzQm1U
18:22 TR Bot; yewtu.be | That Time Sony Secretly Installed Rootkit Software on Hundreds of Thousands of Computers - Invidious
18:22 psydruid; there aren't any of those anymore fortunately
18:22 psydruid; so I reclaimed the drive for other things
18:22 psydruid; updates would just break stuff from one moment to another
18:23 DaemonFC; MinceR, Then they settled in court and everyone got $5 and real CDs if they mailed the bogus ones in.
18:23 psydruid; that's the true Vista experience
18:23 DaemonFC; And everyone lived happily ever after.
18:23 MinceR; :>
18:23 MinceR; and people learned nothing from it
18:23 DaemonFC; MinceR, I still run into XCP CDs at the thrift stores.
18:23 SomeH4x0r; do these diplomas matter? A fucking record in a database.
18:23 DaemonFC; They do not have the CDDA logo and there's usually a warning that they may fail to play on some car stereos.
18:24 DaemonFC; It's actually so much worse than that.
18:24 DaemonFC; Some BMW CD players would lock up and refuse to eject the disc.
18:24 DaemonFC; They got trapped in an endless loop of trying to play the data section of the CD as audio, over the speakers.
18:24 DaemonFC; :)
18:24 MinceR; :>
18:25 MinceR; "german engineering"
18:25 TR News; EPO.org is a Fake News Site Which Promotes and Glorifies Illegal Behaviour and Unlawful Policies | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/epo-org-illegal-content/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/06/epo-org-illegal-content/
18:25 TR Bot; EPO.org is a Fake News Site Which Promotes and Glorifies Illegal Behaviour and Unlawful Policies | Techrights
18:25 DaemonFC; Well, it was more original than anything coming out of the music industry that year, I'm sure.
18:25 SomeH4x0r; fuck the laws
18:25 SomeH4x0r; they mismatch with morality, which is not clearly defined either
18:26 SomeH4x0r; they exist to protect the elites while creating the illusion of justice
18:26 bnchs__; MinceR, dave plummer made a video about that
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18:27 bnchs__; he defended AutoPlay though
18:27 MinceR; lol
18:27 bnchs__; because of course, dave wrote AutoPlay
18:27 TR News; FAQ: The Difference Between Centralized and Decentralized https://tedium.co/2022/04/06/centralization-decentralization-social-networking-faq/ Source: tedium
18:27 Alternative link; CloudFlare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2022/04/06/centralization-decentralization-social-networking-faq/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://tedium.co/2022/04/06/centralization-decentralization-social-networking-faq/
18:27 TR Bot; FAQ: The Difference Between Centralized and Decentralized
18:27 psydruid; dave the plumber
18:27 psydruid; mario in disguise
18:27 MinceR; he defends every crime IT corporations commit, doesn't he?
18:27 psydruid; some shady mario character
18:28 bnchs__; "sony did a bad thing, but i swear my little autoplay child had nothing to do with it"
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18:28 DaemonFC; MinceR, I suppose if I needed AAC files, I could clunk iTunes over the head and stuff it in Wine and let foobar2000 use the "Apple AAC codec" that way.
18:28 matey; /me has been boycotting sony since 2005
18:28 MinceR; and of course he "worked" for MICROS~1, so naturally he's too stupid to realize that autoplay is a bad idea
18:28 DaemonFC; But I don't need those, thank god, I have an Android phone.
18:28 *psydruid doesn't remember the last time he bought any sony devices
18:29 psydruid; he "worked" on windows 95, didn't he?
18:29 TR News; Probably just changes names, goes under some other shell, carries on as usual without the burden of lawsuits https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/04/cyberweapons-arms-manufacturer-finfisher-shuts-down.html
18:29 TR Bot; Arms Manufacturer FinFisher Shuts Down - Schneier on Security
18:29 psydruid; he probably implemented the suicide feature
18:29 bnchs__; MinceR: he was the CTO of SoftwareOnline.com after he stopped working at microsoft
18:29 TR News; "As falsified war videos and misleading information continue to circulate on Tiktok, the platform should be doing everything in its power to flag Russian propaganda and disinformation." https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
18:29 Alternative link; CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
18:29 bnchs__; which got involved with Consumer Protection Act violations
18:29 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now
18:29 psydruid; 3 hours of use and it's dead
18:30 MinceR; i don't know softwareonline.com
18:30 bnchs__; https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Another/News/Press_Releases/2006/SoftwareOnlineComplaint.pdf
18:30 Alternative link; CloudFlare: amazonaws.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Another/News/Press_Releases/2006/SoftwareOnlineComplaint.pdf https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Another/News/Press_Releases/2006/SoftwareOnlineComplaint.pdf
18:30 psydruid; what a wonderful experience on my first x86 pc
18:30 TR News; Was this article sponsored by Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook? https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220406-tiktok-is-having-a-bad-war-say-disinformation-experts
18:30 TR Bot; 'TikTok is having a bad war,' say disinformation experts
18:30 psydruid; and people were waiting in line to buy that turd
18:30 psydruid; a very special turd at that
18:31 bnchs__; MinceR: TL;DR: softwareonline.com was a company that made fake antiviruses that would spout out ads and popups if you didn't buy it
18:31 MinceR; fun
18:31 bnchs__; dave plummer was involved with that
18:31 bnchs__; so he had to pay a shit ton
18:31 MinceR; also, about what i'd expect of someone from MICROS~1
18:31 TR News; A kind and gentle reminder is in order as smart things are better described as spy things; Social control media and phones are no exception to this http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/social-control-media-and-apps/
18:31 TR Bot; [Meme] Its All Connected (and Wired) | Techrights
18:32 TR News; EPO.org the official Web site of Europes second-largest institution has become an insanely dishonest propaganda outlet which incites to break the law and violate constitutions; its not forgivable that other European authorities are tolerating this http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/epo-org-illegal-content/
18:32 TR Bot; EPO.org is a Fake News Site Which Promotes and Glorifies Illegal Behaviour and Unlawful Policies | Techrights
18:33 bnchs__; lol
18:33 bnchs__; the best malware is the ones who know the internals of the operating system they're trying to target
18:34 bnchs__; is made by the ones*
18:35 MinceR; so the best malware are windows, ios and macos?
18:35 MinceR; oh, and systemd
18:35 bnchs__; do you find these windows ransomware attacks odd?
18:36 bnchs__; because those are able to spread easier and faster because of some internal knowledge
18:36 TR News; "Collaboration and sharing just make so much sense, I'm very glad the free software community exists." gemini://calcuode.com/gemlog/2020-11-21_how-i-found-out-about-foss.gmi
18:38 TR News; "GOG aren't having the best of times recently, with details about their financial troubles painting a bleak picture, although it seems they have something of a plan. Later they announced some changes, including a tweak to what they mean by DRM free." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/gog-attempt-to-bring-customers-back-with-a-revival-of-good-old-games/
18:38 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/gog-attempt-to-bring-customers-back-with-a-revival-of-good-old-games/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/gog-attempt-to-bring-customers-back-with-a-revival-of-good-old-games/
18:38 TR Bot; attempt to bring customers back with a revival of Good Old Games | GamingOnLinux
18:38 bnchs__; "including a tweak to what they mean by DRM free."
18:38 TR News; Toasty: Ashes of Dusk confirm a Native GNU/Linux build is planned, shown off on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/toasty-ashes-of-dusk-confirm-a-native-linux-build-is-planned-shown-off-on-steam-deck/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
18:38 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/toasty-ashes-of-dusk-confirm-a-native-linux-build-is-planned-shown-off-on-steam-deck/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/toasty-ashes-of-dusk-confirm-a-native-linux-build-is-planned-shown-off-on-steam-deck/
18:38 TR Bot; Ashes of Dusk confirm a Native Linux build is planned, shown off on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
18:38 psydruid; they used to say that Linux hackers were targetting windows
18:39 psydruid; but why would you attack something you don't know anything about?
18:39 schestowitz-TR; Linux hackers?
18:39 schestowitz-TR; what does that mean
18:39 schestowitz-TR; coders?
18:39 schestowitz-TR; white hats?
18:39 schestowitz-TR; blackhats?
18:39 schestowitz-TR; targeting Linux
18:39 schestowitz-TR; using Linux
18:39 bnchs__; windows ransomwares are able to spread easier because maybe
18:40 bnchs__; just maybe
18:40 bnchs__; they managed to get some important internal knowledge
18:40 psydruid; people who know Linux inside out and who would go out of their way to attack Windows
18:40 bnchs__; maybe a exposed port with a vulnerable service running on it
18:40 psydruid; I don't know if you can still find these things online nowadays
18:41 DaemonFC; <MinceR> and of course he "worked" for MICROS~1, so naturally he's too stupid to realize that autoplay is a bad idea
18:41 TR News; Open source XR runtime Monado adds initial 6DoF 'inside-out' tracking support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163419#comment-33290
18:41 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
18:41 DaemonFC; Conficker loved that. You may now romance Conficker.
18:41 DaemonFC; Also, Mr. Goolag I guess. "All the interesting people are using Windows."
18:41 MinceR; :>
18:41 matey; they managed to get some important internal knowledge <- i mean, you can use security research methods to find vulnerabilities on any system
18:41 MinceR; why does he hang around here, then?
18:42 matey; you dont have to be a windows person or a "linux" person
18:42 bnchs__; matey: yeah but
18:42 schestowitz-TR; matey: trolling
18:42 schestowitz-TR; dirt-digging
18:42 schestowitz-TR; and provocation
18:42 bnchs__; you can bribe a microsoft programmer
18:42 bnchs__; for some source code
18:42 schestowitz-TR; to attack us somehow, usually from the outside
18:42 DaemonFC; GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG?
18:42 schestowitz-TR; "look at those extreme things they said when I brought up [x]"
18:42 DaemonFC; I think he's simping, honestly.
18:43 matey; schestowitz-TR: if you and bnchs__ are talking about the samthing i wasnt aware of it
18:43 DaemonFC; As the kids say it these days.
18:43 matey; i was talking about his theory
18:43 matey; i think youre talking about something more social in nature
18:43 schestowitz-TR; [10:57] <Techrights-sec> mjg59 has been baiting the channel for many days now
18:43 schestowitz-TR; [10:57] <Techrights-sec> I was going to comment on that yesterday but got distracted
18:43 schestowitz-TR; [10:57] <Techrights-sec> It's important to not feed the troll but some have been writing responses to
18:43 schestowitz-TR; [10:57] <Techrights-sec> him lately; he's not going to change since he's not there in good faith anyway
18:43 matey; <DaemonFC> I think he's simping, honestly. <- lol cmon
18:43 schestowitz-TR; [11:07] <Techrights-sec> however it seems he has been segueing from trolling/stalking to outright
18:43 schestowitz-TR; [11:07] <Techrights-sec> harrassment
18:43 schestowitz-TR; [11:15] <Techrights-sec> yes, but others have been feeding him
18:43 schestowitz-TR; [11:15] <Techrights-sec> there's nothing to be gained from any response to his provocations
18:43 schestowitz-TR; [11:15] <Techrights-sec> stalking like that is illegal
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18:44 bnchs__; yeah
18:44 matey; <Techrights-sec> stalking like that is illegal <- hanging out in irc is illegal?
18:44 bnchs__; mjg was a bit odd
18:44 MinceR; schestowitz-TR: why do we let him, though?
18:44 psydruid; MMHA
18:44 matey; <bnchs__> mjg was a bit odd <- did he say something odder than usual?
18:45 matey; i mean theres a long history of... did something happen in the past couple days?
18:45 matey; you guys make it sound like it escalated or something
18:45 matey; like recently
18:45 matey; <Techrights-sec> harrassment <- debian harassment?
18:45 matey; by debian standards or historical irc standards?
18:46 matey; this is the internet, we used to have real flame wars
18:46 matey; now we have tame wars
18:47 matey; <MinceR> schestowitz-TR: why do we let him, though? <- he was censored for a long time, now hes not
18:47 schestowitz-TR; [18:44] <MinceR> schestowitz-TR: why do we let him, though?
18:47 schestowitz-TR; good question
18:47 matey; what happened there?
18:47 schestowitz-TR; his aim here is simple: to cause harm
18:47 schestowitz-TR; it's like when you allow some pervert into a FOSS conference
18:47 bnchs__; schestowitz-TR, obviously
18:47 schestowitz-TR; knowing he's there looking for sex
18:47 bnchs__; he causes infighting
18:48 bnchs__; rather than actually helping
18:48 schestowitz-TR; and if not, then he's "missing out"
18:48 schestowitz-TR; we don't have a CoC
18:48 schestowitz-TR; we're above his lunacy
18:48 schestowitz-TR; but please do not feed trolls
18:48 psydruid; I like that he keeps working on x86 with UEFI, Secure Boot, TPM, Pluton and sucking up to Microsoft
18:49 schestowitz-TR; that's where the money is
18:49 bnchs__; psydruid, yes that is what i don't like
18:49 schestowitz-TR; also in academic
18:49 bnchs__; he feeds microsoft
18:49 psydruid; as long as he is doing that stuff he can't do more dangerous things
18:49 matey; im confused by the whole thing
18:49 bnchs__; rather than fighting against them
18:49 schestowitz-TR; Intel, Mirosoft etc. sponsor the labs
18:49 schestowitz-TR; giving them stuff so that they only focus on shitty outdated systems with US back doors
18:49 matey; first, he was uncensored-- either by evasion or (it seemed implied by some comment) by the person who runs this website.
18:50 schestowitz-TR; they're more like bribes, not gifts
18:50 psydruid; I don't want him to touch ARM, RISC-V, m68k, j-core, z80 and other hardware
18:50 matey; also, there seems to be a lawsuit. i wasnt sure if the lawsuit is ongoing, but i wouldnt let someone into irc who was presently suing.
18:50 schestowitz-TR; matey: SomeH4x0r opposed the mute list
18:50 matey; nor would i GO to the irc of someone i was suing
18:50 matey; <schestowitz-TR> matey: SomeH4x0r opposed the mute list <- yes
18:50 schestowitz-TR; so we emptied it, which meant one more person could speak and disrupt like before
18:50 DaemonFC; <bnchs__> mjg was a bit odd
18:51 DaemonFC; WAS?
18:51 matey; and then i presume ariadne agreed-- if onyl to prove a point
18:51 DaemonFC; Is he taking pills now or something?
18:51 bnchs__; no
18:51 bnchs__; because it's terminal
18:51 schestowitz-TR; anyway, back to tech... I shall post some news links
18:51 DaemonFC; I need some CaaSS anyway.
18:52 DaemonFC; Coffee as a Sleep Substitute.
18:52 MinceR; :>
18:52 TR News; Sam Altmans Worldcoin Promised Them Free Crypto For An Eyeball Scan. Now They Feel Robbed. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems Source: buzzfeednews
18:52 Alternative link; CloudFlare: buzzfeednews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems
18:52 TR Bot; Sam Altmans Worldcoin Promised Them Free Crypto For An Eyeball Scan. Now They Feel Robbed.
18:52 matey; /me wasnt going to guess coffee, but that works too
18:52 bnchs__; i use uefi
18:52 bnchs__; is that bad?
18:52 DaemonFC; UEFI uses you.
18:52 matey; and in soviet russia, you dont call it afterwards
18:52 DaemonFC; Oh, that reminds me. schestowitz-TR I mention in the draft post about Fedora.
18:53 TR News; New: Setting up usteer and band-steering in OpenWrt https://openwrt.org/usteer?rev=1649248566&do=diff
18:53 TR Bot; [OpenWrt Wiki] Setting up usteer and band-steering in OpenWrt
18:53 DaemonFC; That it nicely shoves all of those UEFI error messages that it vomits out all over the screen underneath the boot splash.
18:53 MinceR; usually the braindeadness of uefi is something one can work with, but i wish i didn't need to
18:54 DaemonFC; Well, you can turn off some of the poorly debugged security theater code that doesn't even work anyway.
18:54 DaemonFC; At least for now, you can.
18:54 matey; i have alterered the agreement! pray i dont alter it further
18:54 schestowitz-TR; they are NOT eror messages
18:54 schestowitz-TR; they are FULFILLMENT messages
18:54 matey; theyre cries for help
18:54 schestowitz-TR; to PROTECT uoi
18:54 schestowitz-TR; *you
18:55 matey; "please kill me, i wanted to be a valve on a lotus smart bidet, anything is better than this!"
18:55 matey; "intel-me not found or functioning properly"
18:55 matey; "please, i really cant stand this anymore, let me die"
18:56 TR News; Security updates for Wednesday [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/890404/ Source: LWN | Kernel | Linux
18:56 TR Bot; updates for Wednesday [LWN.net]
18:56 matey; fedora knew that wouldnt work
18:56 matey; this is what splash screens are really for
18:57 matey; that and hidin' bodies
18:57 DaemonFC; "KILL ME!!!! PLEASE KILL ME!!!! OH MY BABIES! RUN!!! RUN MY CHILDREN!!!!" *cries*
18:57 DaemonFC; Rick & Morty (when the wasp Smiths are eating the teacher (who is a larva giving birth).
18:58 matey; good lord that show is dark
18:58 DaemonFC; Yeah, not only did they ignore his pleas for a mercy killing and keep eating him alive, they ate his babies too.
18:58 MinceR; https://www.madmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imce/One-Evening-in-a-Bathtub_52e163d3efe851.76712983.jpg
18:58 DaemonFC; Right in front of him. Even left him one eye so he could watch it happen.
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 96.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 486.46
18:59 TR News; [ubuntu/jammy-proposed] mesa-amber 21.3.7-0ubuntu1 (Accepted) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jammy-changes/2022-March/011765.html Source: ubuntu
18:59 Alternative link; CloudFlare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jammy-changes/2022-March/011765.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jammy-changes/2022-March/011765.html
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18:59 TR Bot; [ubuntu/jammy-proposed] mesa-amber 21.3.7-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
18:59 matey; wow
18:59 DaemonFC; <matey> good lord that show is dark
18:59 schestowitz; SomeH4x0r: https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-robotics-february-march-2022
18:59 Alternative link; CloudFlare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-robotics-february-march-2022 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-robotics-february-march-2022
18:59 TR Bot; State of Robotics February & March 2022 | Ubuntu
18:59 schestowitz; see the colours
18:59 DaemonFC; "I'm Mr. Meeseks! Look at me!" Rick: "Kill this Nazi son of a bitch!" Meeseks: "CAN DO!!!!!"
19:00 bnchs__; "nazi"
19:00 bnchs__; for what purpose?
19:00 bnchs__; i mean for what reason?
19:00 TR News; What's going on with Ubuntu? Now they politicise the news about tech with Ukraine flags everywhere https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-robotics-february-march-2022
19:00 Alternative link; CloudFlare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-robotics-february-march-2022 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-robotics-february-march-2022
19:00 DaemonFC; For some reason almost every universe in Rick's central finite curve had turned into fascist dystopias.
19:01 DaemonFC; He kept getting killed and rerouted into a clone vat in another fascist universe.
19:01 bnchs__; no
19:01 bnchs__; why did rick call ??? a nazi?
19:01 TR News; Maybe next year Canonical will put flags of Palestine and/or of Israel in release announcements of Ubuntu
19:01 DaemonFC; Oh, Nazi Morty.
19:02 DaemonFC; The Meeseks killed all of them because it proceeded to strangle him, causing his gun to go off and break the glass, leading them to die in space.
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19:02 matey; i knew rick and morty was weird, but i didnt know it was that dark
19:03 matey; /me only knows it 2nd-hand
19:03 DaemonFC; It's pretty great, yeah.
19:03 matey; what network is it on?
19:03 DaemonFC; I've seen most of them at least a couple of times.
19:03 DaemonFC; Adult Swim
19:03 matey; sounds like hollywood pre-code
19:04 bnchs__; i thought it was a dumb shit when i saw something about rick and morty in fortnite
19:04 TR News; "Bugs and typos in Linux Bash scripts can do dire things when the script is run. Here are some ways to check the syntax of your scripts before you even run them." GNU Bash, not Linux bash. Linux is a kernel. https://www.howtogeek.com/788955/how-to-validate-the-syntax-of-a-linux-bash-script-before-running-it/
19:04 TR Bot; How To Validate the Syntax of a Linux Bash Script Before Running It
19:06 DaemonFC; There we go. Now it's using Wireguard.
19:06 matey; why are wireguard?
19:07 TR News; GitLab should have embraced RockyLinux. AlmaLinux is licking the army boosts of criminals from Microsoft. https://linuxiac.com/gitlab-switched-from-centos-8-to-almalinux/
19:07 Alternative link; CloudFlare: linuxiac.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxiac.com/gitlab-switched-from-centos-8-to-almalinux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxiac.com/gitlab-switched-from-centos-8-to-almalinux/
19:07 TR Bot; GitLab Switched from Centos 8 to AlmaLinux as a Supported Platform
19:08 TR News; "The Linux gaming world moves FAST. Since my last guide about installing the "glorious" custom version of Valve's Proton, things have become MUCH easier." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7eyUrL2JS9Q
19:08 TR Bot; How To Install GE-Proton in 2022 | Works on Linux Distros + Steam Deck! - Invidious
19:08 TR News; Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 6 <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-6"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
19:08 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 6
19:09 TR News; Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 6 https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-6 Source: godotengine
19:09 Alternative link; CloudFlare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-6 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-6
19:09 TR News; Emacs 28.1 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163425
19:09 TR Bot; Emacs 28.1 released | Tux Machines
19:11 DaemonFC; <matey> why are wireguard?
19:11 matey; meaning what for
19:11 DaemonFC; It's a lighter protocol than OpenVPN and it's in the kernel.
19:11 matey; oh alright
19:11 TR News; INNOTECH reveals the AX-1020 Atom x6000E Elkhart Lake SBC https://linuxgizmos.com/innotech-reveals-the-ax-1020-atom-x6000e-elkhart-lake-sbc/ They've chosen back-doored chips
19:11 Alternative link; CloudFlare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/innotech-reveals-the-ax-1020-atom-x6000e-elkhart-lake-sbc/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxgizmos.com/innotech-reveals-the-ax-1020-atom-x6000e-elkhart-lake-sbc/
19:11 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/innotech-reveals-the-ax-1020-atom-x6000e-elkhart-lake-sbc/ )
19:11 matey; faster too?
19:11 DaemonFC; So no reason to lug something complicated around when 4,000 lines of code that anyone can audit for bugs will do.
19:12 DaemonFC; Yeah, it can be. BitTorrent is slower than your regular connection either way, by a lot.
19:12 matey; of course
19:12 TR News; Everything is being rebranded "clown" now... https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/innovation-and-flexibility-open-design-approach-cloud-ran-and-access-networks
19:12 TR Bot; Innovation and flexibility in an open design approach to Cloud RAN and access networks
19:12 DaemonFC; But for direct downloading, browsing, etc..... Wireguard does have better throughput.
19:12 matey; hmm
19:12 schestowitz-TR; rianne installed and uses wineguard
19:12 DaemonFC; The main advantage though is just being standardized, as in you get what's in the kernel and there's not much your VPN provider can do to fuck it up with some bogus implementation on the client side.
19:13 matey; we hope
19:13 DaemonFC; And it's less resource-heavy than OpenVPN is.
19:13 schestowitz-TR; it's probably easy in linux, like kvm...
19:13 schestowitz-TR; if it's light enough, linus will slip it into linux
19:13 matey; and if its not, then greg will
19:13 DaemonFC; Wireguard has been in the kernel for ages now.
19:13 DaemonFC; Torvalds called OpenVPN a "horror".
19:14 MinceR; on what basis?
19:14 MinceR; and when?
19:14 DaemonFC; It is. It's very complicated. There's so many ways you can set it up wrong.
19:14 matey; of course torvalds is scared of a little floppy drive driver
19:14 MinceR; and how is throwing it into the kernel better?
19:14 MinceR; ah, yes, a floppy driver in the kernel is scary
19:14 schestowitz-TR; we recently moved a client from openvpn to wireguard. They had been paying thousands per year to some firm... for openvpn "support"
19:14 DaemonFC; Your VPN provider can also insist that you use some old and broken OpenVPN client that they cobbled together with shitty patches of their own.
19:14 MinceR; an smb server and a vpn implementation aren't scary
19:14 MinceR; interesting how that works
19:14 DaemonFC; Then you don't know what you have.
19:15 matey; MinceR: i dont have any issue with them disabling it by default
19:15 matey; i dont understand why they couldnt just make it so you had to load it manually after booting.
19:15 DaemonFC; I used to use NetworkManager-OpenVPN with PIA.
19:15 DaemonFC; But that's risky too, because there's no internet killswitch.
19:15 matey; or with a kernel option, for obvious reasons
19:15 DaemonFC; So if the VPN goes down, they could see what you're doing and you may not be able to stop the traffic in time.
19:16 DaemonFC; I switched from PIA to NordVPN last year because PIA had gotten miserably slow.
19:16 matey; So if the VPN goes down, they could see what you're doing <- why wouldnt it just route to a closed port?
19:16 MinceR; booting from floppy might be a bit difficult that way
19:16 matey; booting from floppy might be a bit difficult that way <- this is why i added the part about the kernel option
19:16 DaemonFC; Most of the complaints about NordVPN are that their Windows and Mac clients pop up spam and junk and nonsense about their other products.
19:16 matey; like "toram"
19:16 DaemonFC; But the Linux client doesn't do that.
19:16 matey; then the bootloader on the floppy calls the kernel with the floppy driver optino.
19:17 matey; no kernel option, no driver loaded.
19:17 MinceR; or they could focus on making their floppy driver mature instead of tossing random microsoftesque junk after random microsoftesque junk into the kernel
19:17 matey; why this wasnt good enough? probably some bullshit we werent told about
19:18 matey; or they could focus on making their floppy driver mature instead of tossing random microsoftesque junk after random microsoftesque junk into the kernel <- i was trying to be more realistic :)
19:18 MinceR; but who cares, i'll probably have to maintain my own kernel if i want a sane kernel
19:18 matey; s/probably//
19:20 matey; imo just keep looking until you find a kernel that works for you. i dont think it will be linux
19:21 MinceR; it could be a fork of Linux from before Torvalds was blackmailed or something
19:21 MinceR; but it would be a herculean effort
19:21 matey; `it could
19:21 MinceR; so hopefully one of the BSDs will suffice instead
19:21 matey; but i dont think anyone will work on that
19:21 MinceR; yeah
19:21 matey; i had a breaker go out a couple times recently
19:21 matey; it wouldnt boot without manually running fsck_ffs
19:21 matey; first time it fixed it automatically
19:21 matey; second time i had to do it manually
19:22 matey; but i didnt have to do anything else
19:22 matey; and it dropped right to single user telling me to run fsck_ffs
19:22 matey; i didnt even have to look up anything online
19:22 matey; (other machine has a while before it loses power)
19:22 matey; (so it just kept running)
19:23 matey; but i finally know what it does when its not unmounted properly-- very similar to gnu/linux a few years back
19:23 matey; as a plus, it still shuts down when i ask it to
19:25 matey; gnu/linux: tells you to run fsck
19:25 matey; openbsd: tells you RUN FSCK FFS!
19:25 matey; /me can hear theo saying it
19:25 MinceR; breaker?
19:25 matey; power box, formerly fuse box
19:26 schestowitz-TR; RUN GCC
19:26 MinceR; oh, i thought you meant running an OS on a breaker
19:26 matey; oh no no
19:26 matey; that would be interesting
19:26 matey; "is this distro powerful enough?"
19:26 matey; "lick it and find out!"
19:26 DaemonFC; Okay, I got my desk fan for the modem to sit on.
19:26 DaemonFC; Looks ridiculous, but hey. As long as the modem doesn't crash.
19:26 matey; just tell them you overclocked it
19:27 DaemonFC; My brother did something worse with his xbox 360.
19:27 *matey has quit (connection closed)
19:27 TR News; When Qt says "Commercial" is actually means proprietary https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-5.15.9-released
19:27 Alternative link; CloudFlare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-5.15.9-released https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-5.15.9-released
19:27 TR Bot; Commercial LTS Qt 5.15.9 Released
19:27 DaemonFC; Mom came in and asked why he had the air conditioner on in January and he said because his xbox 360 kept overheating and he had to put it next to the air conditioner so it would keep working.
19:28 TR News; Reset your Canon printers maintenance cartridge with this hack | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/06/reset-your-canon-printers-maintenance-cartridge-with-this-hack/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
↺ https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/06/reset-your-canon-printers-maintenance-cartridge-with-this-hack/
19:28 Alternative link; CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/06/reset-your-canon-printers-maintenance-cartridge-with-this-hack/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/06/reset-your-canon-printers-maintenance-cartridge-with-this-hack/
19:28 TR Bot; Reset your Canon printer's maintenance cartridge with this hack | Arduino Blog
19:28 DaemonFC; At least this thing's just blowing room air through the modem to keep it from reachin 114 degrees!
19:28 bnchs__; did you know
19:29 bnchs__; a LG smart tv can easily be cracked
19:29 bnchs__; by just visiting a website
19:29 TR News; APIs: The Building Blocks of Modern Software Development https://www.itprotoday.com/development-techniques-and-management/why-apis-are-foundation-modern-software-development Source: itprotoday (dodging discussion about software freedom)
19:29 Alternative link; CloudFlare: itprotoday.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.itprotoday.com/development-techniques-and-management/why-apis-are-foundation-modern-software-development https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.itprotoday.com/development-techniques-and-management/why-apis-are-foundation-modern-software-development
19:29 TR Bot; APIs: The Building Blocks of Modern Software Development | ITPro Today: IT News, How-Tos, Trends, Case Studies, Career Tips, More
19:30 DaemonFC; Why would you visit a website on your TV?
19:30 bnchs__; here's the thing
19:30 DaemonFC; I used to do it on my Dreamcast once in a while.
19:30 bnchs__; LG smart webos tv whatever
19:30 bnchs__; it has a web browser
19:31 bnchs__; and one of the things they left exposed
19:31 bnchs__; was their SSAP server
19:31 TR News; "Wind River is proud to announce a new member of the commercially supported Wind River GNU/Linux family, Wind River GNU/Linux Distro. Distro is a binary GNU/Linux distribution created from our source codebased GNU/Linux product." https://blogs.windriver.com/wind_river_blog/2022/04/introducing-the-wind-river-linux-binary-distro/
19:31 Alternative link; CloudFlare: windriver.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blogs.windriver.com/wind_river_blog/2022/04/introducing-the-wind-river-linux-binary-distro/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blogs.windriver.com/wind_river_blog/2022/04/introducing-the-wind-river-linux-binary-distro/
19:31 DaemonFC; Back when NOBODY had TWO computers in the house, and also people were in the family room, so no looking at porn there.
19:31 TR Bot; Introducing the Wind River Linux Binary Distribution
19:31 bnchs__; so basically
19:31 DaemonFC; Yep, good old Planetweb browser, bringing in those JPEGs.
19:31 bnchs__; you could inject a rootkit
19:31 DaemonFC; CHUNK CHUNK CHUNK.
19:31 bnchs__; just by visiting a website
19:32 DaemonFC; Oh that's nothing special really. Internet Explorer did it all the time.
19:32 DaemonFC; It was so bad the US government had to put out a warning to quit using it.
19:33 DaemonFC; At the time I so made fun of that. I posted screenshots of my Windows 98 build stripped clean of all of that junk and my two Linux systems.
19:33 DaemonFC; "Can't switch from Internet Explorer when there is no Internet Explorer!" B-)
19:34 DaemonFC; Flatpaks actually make the LEAST sense on a distribution like Fedora.
19:34 DaemonFC; You're never using software more than 6-12 months old anyway, AND they package newer builds as RPMs anyway.
19:35 DaemonFC; So basically the only thing they do not touch is the version of GNOME that shipped in that release, except for point updates.
19:35 DaemonFC; Also, the compiler toolchain and glibc and stuff.
19:35 DaemonFC; Basically, like the tools used to build the system and GNOME don't change except for point updates, and most anything else rolls.
19:36 DaemonFC; I guess I would have been just as well off with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed except that I had a very bad experience with OpenSUSE while Novell owned it.
19:36 bnchs__; yeah but it's bad like now
19:36 bnchs__; right now
19:36 DaemonFC; It was virtually impossible to set up without breaking it right away.
19:36 bnchs__; you can actually root your LG webos TV just by going to https://rootmy.tv/
19:36 Alternative link; CloudFlare: rootmy.tv | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://rootmy.tv/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://rootmy.tv/
19:36 TR Bot; RootMyTV - Stage 1
19:37 TR News; http
19:37 bnchs__; and sliding that "slide to root" (reminds me of that iphone jailbreak)
19:37 DaemonFC; So don't do that!
19:37 bnchs__; DaemonFC: i already did
19:37 DaemonFC; Giving your TV an internet connection. Mistake #1.
19:37 bnchs__; DaemonFC: i didn't give it an internet connection
19:37 bnchs__; my dad did
19:37 TR News; Sigil is a free, open-source eBook and ePUB editor for Windows, Linux, and macOS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163426
19:37 TR Bot; Sigil is a free, open-source eBook and ePUB editor for Windows, Linux, and macOS | Tux Machines
19:37 bnchs__; but might aswell root it
19:37 DaemonFC; Mine has an HDMI connection so I can drag Celluloid over to the TV and play stuff on it.
19:38 DaemonFC; So I guess that's TECHNICALLY streaming?
19:38 TR News; Antmicro releases open-source hardware Snapdragon 845 baseboard designed with KiCad - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/06/antmicro-open-source-hardware-snapdragon-845-baseboard-designed-with-kicad/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
19:38 Alternative link; CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/06/antmicro-open-source-hardware-snapdragon-845-baseboard-designed-with-kicad/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/06/antmicro-open-source-hardware-snapdragon-845-baseboard-designed-with-kicad/
19:38 TR Bot; Antmicro releases open-source hardware Snapdragon 845 baseboard designed with KiCad - CNX Software
19:39 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, You'll be happy to know that Mozilla changed Firefox again.
19:39 DaemonFC; It no longer has privileged web process, it has isolated web container.
19:40 TR News; GNU, not Linux https://www.fosslinux.com/52963/what-is-bash-shell-and-know-its-importance-in-linux.htm
19:40 Alternative link; CloudFlare: fosslinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fosslinux.com/52963/what-is-bash-shell-and-know-its-importance-in-linux.htm https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.fosslinux.com/52963/what-is-bash-shell-and-know-its-importance-in-linux.htm
19:40 TR Bot; What is Bash shell, and know its importance in Linux | FOSS Linux
19:41 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: woohoo
19:41 bnchs__; know its importance in Linux
19:41 schestowitz-TR; another bonus to the CEO
19:41 bnchs__; Bash shell is very important to Linux
19:41 bnchs__; like a shell is important to a kernel
19:41 schestowitz-TR; mozilla firefox pollutes the system with many proceses
19:41 schestowitz-TR; beyond one per tab
19:41 schestowitz-TR; librewold does not correct this
19:41 schestowitz-TR; it just changes the name of these processes
19:42 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: linux is not a kernel
19:42 schestowitz-TR; it's "OS"
19:42 DaemonFC; Oh that's another thing.
19:42 DaemonFC; I want to replace bash with fish.
19:42 schestowitz-TR; dolphin is now a file manager
19:42 DaemonFC; Thanks for reminding me.
19:42 schestowitz-TR; solphin is a file system!
19:42 bnchs__; DaemonFC: how do you seperate linux from its lover
19:42 bnchs__; and replace it with another one
19:42 bnchs__; now it wont work
19:43 bnchs__; you must know its importance in Linux
19:43 DaemonFC; Well, once tuna went dolphin safe, the dolphins had to go get jobs. They coasted on being an endangered species for long enough. Free ride's over. Time to be a file manager.
19:43 schestowitz-TR; albert@fish #
19:43 DaemonFC; There's no shame in being a file manager you know. It's posh.
19:44 schestowitz-TR; my job is manager
19:44 DaemonFC; My grandfather dug ditches for a living when he had to, even when the man from the finance company was repossessing his car.
19:44 schestowitz-TR; what do you manage?
19:44 schestowitz-TR; lots of files
19:44 schestowitz-TR; "I manage the bins"
19:44 schestowitz-TR; I'm a manager
19:44 schestowitz-TR; of a coffee machine
19:44 schestowitz-TR; "I manage the cups"
19:45 schestowitz-TR; janitors are managers
19:45 schestowitz-TR; they manage the dust and stuff
19:45 schestowitz-TR; epstein was also a manager
19:45 schestowitz-TR; he was managing many rich people
19:45 DaemonFC; GNOME 42 isn't that bad I suppose. Now, my favorite part is they FINALLY did a dock at the bottom of the screen.
19:45 DaemonFC; Where the damned thing is supposed to be.
19:45 schestowitz-TR; he was their "agent"
19:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I suppose the "windows" button actually makes sense on GNOME outside the context of Windows the OS.
19:46 DaemonFC; If you press it, it cascades all the open windows and brings up the dock and the virtual desktops.
19:47 DaemonFC; So it pretty much does exactly what someone would expect the key to do even if it wasn't the Windows logo.
19:47 DaemonFC; This mess with libadwaita will settle down eventually.
19:48 DaemonFC; There will be gripes from users, there will be more gripes from developers going "well it always worked until you did THAT".
19:48 DaemonFC; But in a release or two, I doubt anyone will remember the dust up it caused.
19:49 DaemonFC; In the end, you shouldn't have to go to a Tweaks tool that's a collection of band-aids for bad GUI design.
19:49 DaemonFC; It's nice to see that Tweaks is becoming less and less while the stuff that matters gets moved over to where people will find it.
19:49 DaemonFC; Should have happened years ago. This never should have gone on this long.
19:50 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I have quite the sticker collection on my old laptop.
19:51 DaemonFC; Fedora, GNU, GNOME, Linux, various odds and ends including a bunch I got at the zen garden in Rockford.
19:51 DaemonFC; That battery I got off Amazon has held up incredibly well too. Better than the one that came from Lenovo.
19:55 bnchs__; zoomers remember: pull requests
19:56 bnchs__; boomers remember: sending patches in mailing lists
19:58 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820373.jpg
19:58 Alternative link; CloudFlare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820373.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820373.jpg
19:59 bnchs__; MinceR: like that blender logo in thrid
19:59 bnchs__; third*
20:00 bnchs__; i mean fourth
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20:38 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npnjIixWeVQ
20:38 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=npnjIixWeVQ
20:38 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Tabby cat who came to me by meowing when she saw me is so affectionate - Invidious
20:45 DaemonFC; I'm looking at cars again.
20:45 DaemonFC; Right now I'm looking at used police cars.
20:45 MinceR; crown vic?
20:45 DaemonFC; I've kind of been wanting another Crown Victoria, yeah. :)
20:46 DaemonFC; They're fun.
20:46 MinceR; :>
20:46 DaemonFC; They're a lot faster than a Chevy Impala and they get about the same awful gas mileage, so that's a wash.
20:46 DaemonFC; But they're durable, and super cheap to repair.
20:46 DaemonFC; You get to pick your poison.
20:47 DaemonFC; A gas guzzler that holds up and is cheap and easy to fix.
20:47 DaemonFC; Or something newer that costs more money and saves a little gas, but is harder to work on, so more expensive.
20:48 DaemonFC; MinceR, Found a 2011 with 80,000 miles for $7,999 at the local used car stealership.
20:49 DaemonFC; Most of the later ones were fleet and so they almost always end up on these types of lot. Not private party.
20:50 DaemonFC; Stupid government gas mileage mandates. Didn't save any fuel.
20:51 DaemonFC; Just pushed everyone to buy killer SUVs and "pick up trucks" with about 4 inch long beds because those weren't regulated as cars.
20:51 DaemonFC; So now when you get in a crash, it's with one of those assholes.
20:52 MinceR; presumably not maintaining the roads isn't helping either
20:52 DaemonFC; Nope.
20:52 DaemonFC; You're guaranteed to hit three potholes every day here.
20:56 DaemonFC; Ohhh, a 2007 detective model.
20:56 DaemonFC; Nicer interior, red..... $1,000 less than the 2011.
20:56 DaemonFC; No rust. Looks like they took care of it.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.78 k/sec., IPFS upstream 74.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 302.18
21:10 DaemonFC; https://www.yourchoiceautos.com/details/used-2004-mercury-grand-marquis/79761282
21:10 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.yourchoiceautos.com/details/used-2004-mercury-grand-marquis/79761282 )
21:10 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
21:10 DaemonFC; They said they still have it. I'm going over tomorrow to look at it and to take it to my mechanic to have them look it over real good.
21:11 DaemonFC; If my mechanic says it's good, I'm in for $4,000. What the hell?
21:11 DaemonFC; That thing looks SHARP.
21:11 MinceR; it does?
21:11 DaemonFC; Yep yep.
21:11 immibis; DaemonFC: have you ever considered improving the world
21:12 DaemonFC; Eh, I help those who help themselves.
21:12 DaemonFC; I help myself, so I help me all the time.
21:12 DaemonFC; :)
21:16 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820350.jpg
21:16 Alternative link; CloudFlare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820350.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820350.jpg
21:20 immibis; DaemonFC: meanwhile shitting on literally everyone else
21:21 immibis; everyone in a position worse than yours is their because they're dumb incompetent lazy idiots
21:21 immibis; everyone in a position better than yours is cheating
21:21 immibis; stop being so negative and do something useful for once
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21:31 DaemonFC; Someone with billions of dollars probably did do something nasty.
21:32 DaemonFC; Of course, keeping hold of that much money is nasty in and of itself.
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21:43 TR News; Linux Mint 21 Code Name Announced with New Upgrade Utility and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163427
21:43 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 Code Name Announced with New Upgrade Utility and More | Tux Machines
21:43 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163428
21:43 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:44 TR News; Linux Mint 21 is named 'Vanessa' http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163423#comment-33291
21:44 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Will Be Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, New Upgrade Tool in the Works | Tux Machines
21:49 immibis; in LWN comments people were complaining about SUSE's new CoC allowing discrimination based on ideology
21:49 immibis; DaemonFC: if you don't want them to act nasty to people below them, maybe you shouldn't act nasty to people below you
21:51 TR News; The Automation Myth gemini://beyondneolithic.life/articles/the_automation_myth.gmi
21:52 TR News; GNU Bash in GNU/Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163429
21:52 TR Bot; GNU Bash in GNU/Linux | Tux Machines
21:52 TR News; RE: Lightweight GUIs, TUIs gemini://iveqy.com/gemlog/2022-04-06_re_lightweight_guis_tuis.gmi "I installed linux, Red Hat 5.2 and was happy, until I upgraded to Fedora and my computer got painful slow again!"
21:53 TR News; "This project will of course be open-source in the future, but as this is still completely unusable (I have just started on the project yesterday), this will have to wait a little bit. " gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/04/06/another-new-project/
21:54 TR News; "On a previous gemlog, I described how I prefer to use my electronics device in a greyscale (desaturated) mode for accessibility and anti-doomscrolling reasons, as colour processing is nontrivial." gemini://rosenzweig.io/gemlog/2022-04-06-update-a-smol-kernel-hack.gmi
21:55 TR News; "We can introduce people to the topic via FOSS frontends for existing platforms, such as NewPipe for YouTube and Nitter for Twitter." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202204/20220406-economic-woes-and-foss.gmi
21:56 schestowitz-TR; immibis: I saw all those comments
21:56 schestowitz-TR; they wete not unreasonable
21:56 schestowitz-TR; *were
21:58 TR News; When your 'browser' is about 30 million lines of code https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/06/mozilla-releases-security-updates-firefox-firefox-esr-and
21:58 TR Bot; Mozilla Releases Security Updates for Firefox, Firefox ESR, and Thunderbird | CISA
21:59 TR News; ProprietarySoftware = Garbage. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/06/citrix-releases-security-updates-hypervisor "An attacker could exploit this vulnerability to cause a denial-of-service condition."
21:59 TR Bot; Citrix Releases Security Updates for Hypervisor | CISA
22:00 TR News; Also: when your 'browser' is over 30 million lines of code: "This version addresses vulnerabilities that an attacker could exploit to take control of an affected system." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/06/google-releases-security-updates-chrome
22:00 TR Bot; Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISA
22:00 *psydruid supports the ideology of pastafarianism
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22:03 TR News; Indias Criminal Procedure (Identification) Bill jeopardizes privacy it must not be enforced - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/indias-criminal-procedure-identification-bill-jeopardizes-privacy/ Source: accessnow
22:03 Alternative link; CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/indias-criminal-procedure-identification-bill-jeopardizes-privacy/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/indias-criminal-procedure-identification-bill-jeopardizes-privacy/
22:03 TR Bot; Indias Criminal Procedure (Identification) Bill jeopardizes privacy it must not be enforced - Access Now
22:03 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: don't chu fart in ma paste
22:03 schestowitz-TR; *pasta
22:04 TR News; Phoronix still jumping the shark for AMD marketing. I'm quickly losing interest in anything the site has to show, even links it has in it...
22:06 TR News; Microsoft's shill is still promoting proprietary nonsense. https://tirania.org/blog/archive/2022/Apr-06.html see http://techrights.org/2022/03/05/miguel-quits-or-pushed-out/
22:06 Alternative link; CloudFlare: tirania.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tirania.org/blog/archive/2022/Apr-06.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://tirania.org/blog/archive/2022/Apr-06.html
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22:06 TR Bot; - Miguel de Icaza
22:06 TR Bot; Miguel de Icaza may be gone, but the walls and bars of proprietary software he helped create remain, for now. Dismantling them is up to us. | Techrights
22:06 TR News; Download and Test Inkscape 1.2 Beta Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163430
22:06 TR Bot; Download and Test Inkscape 1.2 Beta | Tux Machines
22:07 TR News; Planet GNONE: Microsoft employees. Criminal company OK, just don't unset the precious CoC (compatible with crimes).
22:07 MinceR; g-none, nice
22:07 schestowitz-TR; lol
22:07 DaemonFC; People tend to go where the money is at.
22:08 DaemonFC; You can hardly blame them for doing the job, but actually liking the fact that they cause harm.....something else.
22:08 MinceR; (audio:music) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/820246.mp4
22:08 Alternative link; CloudFlare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/v/820246.mp4 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://hugelolcdn.com/v/820246.mp4
22:08 TR News; A Vanishing Nova: *Uranographia Britannica* (ca. 1749) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/bevis-uranographia/ Source: publicdomainreview
22:08 TR Bot; A Vanishing Nova: *Uranographia Britannica* (ca. 1749) The Public Domain Review
22:11 TR News; "According to For, she and Blaede quickly hammered out a handshake agreement." https://fossforce.com/2022/04/elementary-os-faces-uncertain-future-after-co-founder-split/
22:11 TR Bot; Elementary OS Faces Uncertain Future After Co-Founder Split - FOSS Force
22:11 immibis; schestowitz-TR: I am not worried that ideologies like Nazism are discriminated against. I am worried that people think it's bad to discriminate against any ideologies, including Nazism.
22:11 TR News; Regulatory Competition: Where the UK Stands on Tech - Disruptive Competition Project https://www.project-disco.org/competition/040622-regulatory-competition-where-the-uk-stands-on-tech/ Source: project disco
22:11 TR Bot; Regulatory Competition: Where the UK Stands on Tech - Disruptive Competition Project
22:11 Alternative link; CloudFlare: project-disco.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.project-disco.org/competition/040622-regulatory-competition-where-the-uk-stands-on-tech/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.project-disco.org/competition/040622-regulatory-competition-where-the-uk-stands-on-tech/
22:11 immibis; The main reason someone would think it's bad to discriminate against Nazism, is that they're a Nazi.
22:13 schestowitz-TR; immibis: that's taking the more extreme/edge casde
22:13 schestowitz-TR; *case ... the nazi straw man has been widely used to sell online censorship
22:14 schestowitz-TR; even when it had nothing to do with nazism
22:15 TR News; Mozilla entering politics again. Ukraine and Russia. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/mozilla-explains/cyberattack-meaning-russia-ukraine/ Source: Mozilla | WWW | FreeSW | Firefox | Internet
22:15 Alternative link; CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/mozilla-explains/cyberattack-meaning-russia-ukraine/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/mozilla-explains/cyberattack-meaning-russia-ukraine/
22:15 TR Bot; What is a cyberattack and what can we do to protect ourselves online?
22:16 TR News; "Short for malicious software, malware generally refers to any program designed to take harmful actions against a computer system or network." Sounds like today's Mozilla Firefox https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/cyberattacks-glossary-of-terms-ransomware-ddos/ Source: Mozilla | WWW | FreeSW | Firefox | Internet
22:16 Alternative link; CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/cyberattacks-glossary-of-terms-ransomware-ddos/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/cyberattacks-glossary-of-terms-ransomware-ddos/
22:16 TR Bot; A glossary of terms about cyberattacks, from ransomware to DDoS
22:18 TR News; 7 of the Best USENET Newsgroups Still Active Today - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-usenet-newsgroups/ Source: maketecheasier (WTF is with this photo? Man with Apple PC wearing shades in the dark???)
22:18 TR Bot; 7 of the Best USENET Newsgroups Still Active Today - Make Tech Easier
22:19 TR News; "Apparently, in some parts of this world, the /usr/-merge transition is still ongoing. Let's take the opportunity to have a look at one specific way to take benefit of the /usr/-merge (and associated work) IRL." MinceR https://0pointer.net/blog/running-an-container-off-the-host-usr.html
22:19 TR Bot; Running a Container off the Host /usr/
22:20 MinceR; no thanks
22:20 schestowitz-TR; last chance!
22:20 schestowitz-TR; going eins!
22:20 bnchs__; i wanna know
22:21 bnchs__; i always thought usenet required a seperate line from the internet
22:21 bnchs__; or am i wrong?
22:21 schestowitz-TR; line?
22:21 schestowitz-TR; like bbs?
22:22 bnchs__; there is still BBS servers out there
22:22 bnchs__; like telnet servers (oldass insecure)
22:22 bnchs__; or SSH server (secure)
22:22 schestowitz-TR; in 2020 I looked into running bbs
22:22 schestowitz-TR; but it turned out to be useless for us
22:23 TR News; "Automotive Grade Linux (AGL), a collaborative cross-industry effort developing an open source platform for all connected car technologies, announces IndyKite, Marelli and Red Hat as new Bronze members." https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/indykite-marelli-and-red-hat-join-automotive-grade-linux-301519317.html
22:23 Alternative link; CloudFlare: prnewswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/indykite-marelli-and-red-hat-join-automotive-grade-linux-301519317.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/indykite-marelli-and-red-hat-join-automotive-grade-linux-301519317.html
22:23 TR Bot; IndyKite, Marelli and Red Hat Join Automotive Grade Linux
22:23 bnchs__; heh, techrights BBS site
22:24 TR News; [Those should run Free software only, otherwise you harm them] Public Knowledge Urges Congress To Pass Bill Providing Veterans, Students With Refurbished Computers - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-urges-congress-to-pass-bill-providing-veterans-students-with-refurbished-computers/ Source: publicknowledge
22:24 TR Bot; Public Knowledge Urges Congress To Pass Bill Providing Veterans, Students With Refurbished Computers - Public Knowledge
22:25 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: we already have the whole site as text and gemtext
22:25 bnchs__; well thats good
22:25 TR News; New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-04-05 Edition - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-04-05-edition/ Source: boilingsteam
22:25 TR Bot; New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-04-05 Edition - Boiling Steam
22:27 TR News; Joystick with Arduino: How to Interface with Code Explained <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://peppe8o.com/joystick-with-arduino-how-to-interface-with-code-explained/"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
22:27 TR Bot; Joystick with Arduino: How to Interface with Code Explained
22:27 TR News; Joystick with Arduino: How to Interface with Code Explained https://peppe8o.com/joystick-with-arduino-how-to-interface-with-code-explained/ Source: peppe8o
22:27 Alternative link; CloudFlare: peppe8o.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://peppe8o.com/joystick-with-arduino-how-to-interface-with-code-explained/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://peppe8o.com/joystick-with-arduino-how-to-interface-with-code-explained/
22:30 DaemonFC; I'm definitely going to look at some Panther platform cars tomorrow. Getting rid of my 96 was one of the worst mistakes I've ever made.
22:32 TR News; The ordering operators | Aristotle [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/aristotle/2022/04/ordering-ops.html Source: perl
22:32 TR Bot; ordering operators | Aristotle [blogs.perl.org]
22:33 TR News; [Too US-centric] Free Cybersecurity Resources for Protecting Your Organization https://www.fosslife.org/free-cybersecurity-resources-protecting-your-organization Source: fosslife
22:33 TR Bot; Free Cybersecurity Resources for Protecting Your Organization
22:36 TR News; WeasyPrint converts any HTML webpage into a rich PDF document https://medevel.com/weasyprint/ needs to delete proprietary software GitHub, controlled by Microsoft (criminals) and NSA
22:36 Alternative link; CloudFlare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/weasyprint/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://medevel.com/weasyprint/
22:36 TR Bot; WeasyPrint converts any HTML webpage into a rich PDF document
22:37 TR News; Atom: Access to Memory. The Web Catalog Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163431
22:37 TR Bot; Atom: Access to Memory. The Web Catalog | Tux Machines
22:37 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show how to install deepin 20.5." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OQ_wYk5iRpM
22:37 TR Bot; How to install deepin 20.5. - Invidious
22:38 TR News; How to Install Latest Firefox as classic Deb in Ubuntu 22.04 | UbuntuHandbook https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/ Source: UbuntuHandbook | FreeSW | GNU | Linux
22:38 Alternative link; CloudFlare: ubuntuhandbook.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/
22:38 TR Bot; How to Install Latest Firefox as classic Deb in Ubuntu 22.04 | UbuntuHandbook
22:47 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163432
22:47 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
22:47 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163433
22:47 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and More | Tux Machines
22:47 TR News; Introducing the Wind River Linux Binary Distribution Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163434
22:47 TR Bot; Introducing the Wind River Linux Binary Distribution | Tux Machines
22:49 TR News; Deadliest COVID-19 day in the UK since 2019. About 3,000 deaths. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/06/data-issue/
22:49 TR Bot; Blog Archive Over 20,000 COVID-19 Patients in British Hospitals, NHS Reports It Has DATA ISSUE and 2,714 Deaths [...] Added Retrospectively on 6 April 2022
22:51 TR News; Games: GOG, Steam, and Godot Engine Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163435
22:51 TR Bot; Games: GOG, Steam, and Godot Engine | Tux Machines
22:55 TR News; 66.6% of that is Microsoft https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
22:55 TR Bot; Known Exploited Vulnerabilities Catalog | CISA
22:55 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/06/cisa-adds-three-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog http://techrights.org/2022/04/04/lies-infiltration-and-nsa/
22:55 TR Bot; CISA Adds Three Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA
22:55 TR Bot; Lies, Infiltration, and the National Security Agency | Techrights
22:56 TR News; CUPS and Raspberry Pi AirPrinting Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163436
22:56 TR Bot; CUPS and Raspberry Pi AirPrinting | Tux Machines
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 353.78
23:00 TR News; Soy can be soy drink (if processed) or milk substitute, but never call it soy milk as it's basically a marketing lie/sham.
23:01 schestowitz; psydruid: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-MWAIT-Over-HALT-2022
23:01 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-MWAIT-Over-HALT-2022 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-MWAIT-Over-HALT-2022
23:01 TR Bot; Patch To Use MWAIT Instead Of HALT For Certain Cases Yield A ~21% Improvement - Phoronix
23:01 schestowitz; AMD changed some lines of code
23:02 schestowitz; their PR guys is on the case
23:02 schestowitz; obv. it's major news
23:02 schestowitz; it's not like code is committed to Linux every day
23:02 schestowitz; by multiple companies
23:02 schestowitz; I've seen enough to spot the bias
23:02 schestowitz; some days 1/3 articles there is AMD
23:02 schestowitz; which is still a relatively small company
23:02 schestowitz; 6-7 times fewer heads than Intel
23:03 psydruid; is it doing anything for the company, though?
23:04 TR News; Webspam disguised as "deals"; Laura Tucker and this site are mostly spam. No disclosure. A lot of the Web became like that. https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/logitech-mk570-wireless-wave-keyboard-and-mouse-combo/
23:04 TR Bot; Save $10 on a Logitech MK570 Wireless Wave Keyboard and Mouse Combo - Make Tech Easier
23:04 psydruid; I'm glad I haven't bought any of their hardware since 2009
23:04 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: yes, it helps AMD
23:04 schestowitz-TR; but michael had a huge fan in me
23:04 schestowitz-TR; and he's throwing it away
23:04 schestowitz-TR; I just cannot support his site anymore
23:05 schestowitz-TR; it's like a marketing operation
23:05 psydruid; I'm a fan of no one
23:05 schestowitz-TR; like I said to him
23:05 schestowitz-TR; 1-2 processors? FINE.
23:05 schestowitz-TR; I GET that.
23:05 schestowitz-TR; but he went way too far.
23:05 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: he works super-hard
23:05 schestowitz-TR; 100+ hours a week
23:06 schestowitz-TR; about 10 'articles' a day
23:06 schestowitz-TR; but some of them are like ads
23:06 schestowitz-TR; and his site ads were already getting annoying
23:06 schestowitz-TR; but I thought, OK... well, if that's a source of inecome
23:06 psydruid; I haven't read much there recently
23:06 schestowitz-TR; but when the "content" beomes ads, GOOD. BYE!
23:06 schestowitz-TR; OK, let me walkyou through
23:07 psydruid; as the articles aren't relevant to me anymore
23:07 schestowitz; http://schestowitz.com/RSS/
23:07 TR Bot; ( status 401 @ http://schestowitz.com/RSS/ )
23:07 schestowitz-TR; wrong URL
23:07 schestowitz-TR; that's mine, personal
23:07 schestowitz; http://phoronix.com/
23:07 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://phoronix.com/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/http://phoronix.com/
23:07 TR Bot; Hardware Reviews, Open-Source Benchmarks & Linux Performance - Phoronix
23:07 schestowitz; latest: AMD Patch To Use MWAIT Instead Of HALT For Certain Cases Yield A ~21% Improvement
23:07 schestowitz; AMD
23:08 schestowitz; Microsoft Working On AMD GPU Hotplug Support For Linux Driver
23:08 schestowitz; AMD+Microsoft
23:08 schestowitz; Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Ready With Mesa 22.0, Early Intel Arc Graphics Enabled & Amber Added
23:08 schestowitz; OK, dine
23:08 schestowitz; *fine
23:08 *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: I expect to be back tomorrow)
23:08 schestowitz; AMD Readies Linux Patches For x2AVIC Support
23:08 schestowitz; AMD again
23:08 schestowitz; so latest 4 stories:
23:08 schestowitz; 3 AMD stories
23:08 schestowitz; 1 Microsoft
23:08 schestowitz; and come on, AMD isn't a BIG thing
23:09 schestowitz; you might THINK it is
23:09 schestowitz; IF you read Microbell
23:09 schestowitz; because he keeps mentioning them so much
23:09 psydruid; the only thing I find mildly interesting is the tachyum article
23:09 schestowitz; I could take a screenshot
23:09 psydruid; yes
23:09 schestowitz; But I think we established this point already
23:09 schestowitz; no need to admonish any more
23:10 schestowitz; re tachyum article
23:10 schestowitz; I took that
23:10 schestowitz; but
23:10 schestowitz; the original
23:10 schestowitz; he just took the original tachyum article
23:10 schestowitz; a press release
23:10 schestowitz; and copy pasted some bits
23:10 schestowitz; I can just go to the source
23:10 schestowitz; it's in English
23:10 schestowitz; it's clear
23:10 schestowitz; and has more navigation buttons so I can get more info
23:11 schestowitz; anbd no annoying ads and popups
23:11 schestowitz; the ads in phoronix have your data sent to about 500 companies
23:11 schestowitz; when you get presented with a popup ask for more info
23:11 schestowitz; and then scroll down the list
23:11 schestowitz; I think I did this in a video once, then copy pasted the list into text editor
23:11 schestowitz; then line count
23:12 psydruid; AMD hasn't been relevant to me since 2009 and not for people I've done stuff for since 2013
23:13 psydruid; and I don't see them becoming relevant to me ever again
23:13 TR News; "Based on some random data a bunch of news outlets started saying that nobody is adopting Windows 11 and microsoft is dissapointed but looking at prior Windows releases tells a very different story." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8hihk3UC3Ig http://techrights.org/2022/01/26/microsoft-delighted-by-failure/
23:13 DaemonFC; Hmmm, maybe a Buick.
23:13 TR Bot; Has Windows 11 Adoption Really Stopped? - Invidious
23:13 TR Bot; Microsoft Delighted by Windows 11 (Vista 11) Usage, Which is Only 1% Three Months After Official Launch and Six Months After Release Online | Techrights
23:13 psydruid; they suffer from "Small Intel Syndrome"
23:13 DaemonFC; You can't really go too wrong with the 3800 Buick V6. The car will just rust apart around that.
23:14 TR News; If Brodie Robertson gets his 'info' from Reddit, sooner or later he'll be repeating Microsoft shills and trolls
23:14 psydruid; you need an adblocker on Phoronix like you need one anywhere else on the web
23:14 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: good disgnosis
23:14 schestowitz-TR; re AMD
23:14 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: I have that
23:14 schestowitz-TR; some do not
23:14 schestowitz-TR; and if I link to that site
23:15 schestowitz-TR; I do not treat people well
23:15 schestowitz-TR; I already strip ?trackers=garbage-for-spying from URLs
23:15 schestowitz-TR; with phoronix there's no printer-friendly version
23:16 TR News; Planet GNOME is shilling proprietary software by keeping Miguel de Icaza in it (link omitted) http://techrights.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#2022
23:16 TR Bot; Miguel de Icaza - Techrights
23:16 psydruid; AMD's bread and butter is Windows
23:16 schestowitz-TR; yes
23:16 schestowitz-TR; PCs
23:17 schestowitz-TR; but they also want the server share
23:17 schestowitz-TR; with gnu/linux
23:17 psydruid; I can see them losing market share to ARM in servers over the next few years
23:17 schestowitz-TR; now they have steam dReck to cheer for
23:17 psydruid; even Microsoft is adding ARM servers to Azure now
23:17 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: even microsloth now advertises those chips for clown
23:17 schestowitz-TR; I did not link to any of the articles
23:18 schestowitz-TR; of course they mention "linux"
23:18 schestowitz-TR; because windows in microsoft clown would not run on these
23:18 schestowitz-TR; afaik, phoronix did not mention this
23:18 schestowitz-TR; I was a bit surprise
23:18 schestowitz-TR; some flattering article about "azure"
23:18 schestowitz-TR; "click here to find more"
23:18 schestowitz-TR; "thanks to mirosoft for providing access for benchmarks"
23:19 psydruid; Azure ARM servers are going to run GNU/Linux
23:19 schestowitz-TR; I have not watched https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8hihk3UC3Ig
23:19 TR Bot; Has Windows 11 Adoption Really Stopped? - Invidious
23:19 psydruid; I don't think there is any demand for Windows on ARM
23:19 schestowitz-TR; I am guessing he got his 'info' from Microsoft liars
23:19 schestowitz-TR; and decided to do 'contrarian' video
23:19 schestowitz-TR; lying for Microsoft, basically...
23:20 schestowitz-TR; anyway, I'll not add this link to tuxmachinex
23:20 schestowitz-TR; I'll add e ditorial comments in TR Daily Links
23:20 psydruid; I'm watching it now
23:20 schestowitz-TR; phoronix frustrates mer
23:20 schestowitz-TR; I linked to phoronix like 30,000 times
23:20 DaemonFC; https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Ford-Crown-Victoria-Waukegan-d324_L7297#listing=318229898/NONE
23:20 Alternative link; CloudFlare: cargurus.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Ford-Crown-Victoria-Waukegan-d324_L7297#listing=318229898/NONE https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Ford-Crown-Victoria-Waukegan-d324_L7297#listing=318229898/NONE
23:20 TR Bot; Ford Crown Victoria for Sale in Waukegan, IL - CarGurus
23:20 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: he thinks reedit is "research" (his word)
23:21 schestowitz-TR; filtered by reddit sponsors like Microsoft
23:21 psydruid; I bet he liked the free traffic
23:21 schestowitz-TR; no, wait
23:21 DaemonFC; 250 horsepower? Nice. My 1996 only produced 205.
23:21 schestowitz-TR; phoronix wa good
23:21 schestowitz-TR; but not anymore
23:21 DaemonFC; "There have been some improvements."
23:21 psydruid; and now he doesn't need it anymore
23:21 schestowitz-TR; yes
23:21 schestowitz-TR; good luck to him with his new friends
23:21 psydruid; since he has sold out
23:21 schestowitz-TR; I don't get paid JACK
23:21 schestowitz-TR; I PAY to run techrights
23:22 schestowitz-TR; why would I spent my time putting food on the table of AMD "influencer"?
23:22 psydruid; I wouldn't
23:22 schestowitz; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-AMDGPU-Hotplug
23:22 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-AMDGPU-Hotplug https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-AMDGPU-Hotplug
23:22 TR Bot; Working On AMD GPU Hotplug Support For Linux Driver - Phoronix
23:22 schestowitz; he covers it for AMD
23:22 schestowitz; not for Microsoft
23:23 psydruid; but I wouldn't have done it in the first place
23:23 schestowitz; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=epyc-azure-hbv3&num=1
23:23 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=epyc-azure-hbv3&num=1 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=epyc-azure-hbv3&num=1
23:23 TR Bot; EPYC 7003 Series Performance In The Cloud With Microsoft Azure HBv3 HPC VMs - Phoronix
23:23 schestowitz; AMD
23:23 schestowitz; and Microsoft
23:23 psydruid; then again there weren't many such sites at the time
23:23 schestowitz; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-milan-x&num=1
23:23 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-milan-x&num=1 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-milan-x&num=1
23:23 TR Bot; Announces Milan-X 3D V-Cache CPUs, Azure Prepares For Great Upgrade - Phoronix
23:24 schestowitz; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-milanx-hbv3&num=1
23:24 Alternative link; CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-milanx-hbv3&num=1 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-milanx-hbv3&num=1
23:24 TR Bot; Milan-X Upgrade In The Cloud Makes Microsoft Azure HBv3 Very Compelling For HPC Review - Phoronix
23:24 schestowitz; then there's microsoft pluton and amd
23:24 schestowitz; I could go on and on
23:24 psydruid; all this shows to me is that AMD is scared
23:24 schestowitz; his AMD shilling becomes Microsoft marketing
23:24 schestowitz; he sends business to Microsoft
23:24 schestowitz; (and AMD)
23:24 schestowitz; https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-0253814508491313:1305299758&ie=UTF-8&q=amdazure&sa=Search&ref=www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dhome
23:24 TR Bot; Programmable Search Engine
23:24 psydruid; the opposite message of what they want to convey
23:25 schestowitz; https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-0253814508491313:1305299758&ie=UTF-8&q=amd+azure&sa=Search&ref=www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dhome
23:25 TR Bot; Programmable Search Engine
23:25 schestowitz; better url
23:25 psydruid; at AWS Graviton grew just as much if not more than AMD
23:26 psydruid; so AMD gravitates towards Microsoft
23:26 schestowitz; pluton at top https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-0253814508491313:1305299758&ie=UTF-8&q=amd+microsoft&sa=Search&ref=www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dhome
23:26 TR Bot; Programmable Search Engine
23:26 schestowitz; he's not shilling mirosoft
23:26 schestowitz; he shills amd
23:26 psydruid; until Microsoft does the same thing to them
23:26 schestowitz; but amd shills microsoft
23:26 psydruid; yes
23:26 schestowitz; so inadvertently, the new bosses of michael made him microsoft shills
23:26 schestowitz; this I cannot accept
23:27 schestowitz; so the site is not compromised
23:27 schestowitz; it's run by its "shareholders"
23:27 schestowitz; and those shareholders are not on our side
23:27 schestowitz; it's like LF "lite"
23:27 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820242.jpg
23:27 Alternative link; CloudFlare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820242.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820242.jpg
23:28 psydruid; it just makes it much less interesting than it used to be
23:28 schestowitz; is the Brodie Robertson video a case of "I saw some random troll say"?
23:29 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/
23:29 TR Bot; Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights
23:29 psydruid; I need to watch it again, it became one big blurb of nonsense
23:30 TR News; Slackware: Chromium 100 out-of-band security update addresses (again) a single vulnerability | Alien Pastures https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/chromium-100-out-of-band-security-update-addresses-again-a-single-vulnerability/ Source: Slackware
23:30 TR Bot; Chromium 100 out-of-band security update addresses (again) a single vulnerability | Alien Pastures
23:30 psydruid; I heard Microsoft Windows over and over
23:30 schestowitz-TR; vista 11 is one big BLOB; of nonsense
23:30 schestowitz-TR; Brodie Robertson invests a lot in production quality
23:31 schestowitz-TR; camera mic etc.
23:31 schestowitz-TR; but sometimes I do not agree with him
23:31 schestowitz-TR; not many gnu/linux channels remain
23:31 schestowitz-TR; gulagtube starves them (off traffic)
23:31 schestowitz-TR; so they stop posting "new conteeeeeent"
23:31 schestowitz-TR; distrotube complained the other dayt
23:32 schestowitz-TR; about gulagtube also suspending linux channels
23:32 schestowitz-TR; without much awareness that this was happening
23:32 schestowitz-TR; eventually I hope more of them will self-host videos like we do
23:32 bnchs__; "well uhhh i got you a book on designing software"
23:32 schestowitz-TR; fsf uses peertube and self-hosted mediagoblin
23:32 schestowitz-TR; peertubew =p2p
23:33 psydruid; gulagtube is more and more becoming malware
23:33 schestowitz-TR; yes, twitter too
23:33 schestowitz-TR; 2 years ago youtube would not even open without js
23:33 schestowitz-TR; it shows phantom objects
23:34 psydruid; I rarely use the official interfaces anymore
23:34 schestowitz-TR; twitter in end of 2020 (dec 16th iirc, after 15th was set in stone) did similar stuff
23:34 schestowitz-TR; and now you cannot even follow links
23:34 psydruid; although in the case of twitter you can't avoid it
23:35 psydruid; querying twitter through a bot is more useful to me now
23:35 schestowitz-TR; try opening t.co links without JS
23:35 schestowitz-TR; and see what happens
23:35 psydruid; I don't
23:35 schestowitz-TR; I noticed it this week for the first time
23:35 psydruid; there is a not on irc that allows you to do a @tsearch
23:35 schestowitz-TR; their link shortener does not redirect unless you run their proprietary program
23:35 schestowitz-TR; on your computer
23:36 psydruid; bot*
23:36 schestowitz-TR; use nitter
23:36 schestowitz-TR; I use nitter in a script
23:36 schestowitz-TR; in the past you could do twitter via email
23:36 schestowitz-TR; notifications
23:36 schestowitz-TR; they shut this down
23:36 schestowitz-TR; next was rss feeds
23:37 schestowitz-TR; they obliterated the "service"
23:37 schestowitz-TR; even the notifications are now mostly SPAM
23:37 schestowitz-TR; so even wasting 2 minutes there would be 2 minutes wasted
23:37 schestowitz-TR; like watching ads
23:37 schestowitz-TR; and getting nothing of value
23:38 TR News; Old skool = good school https://jmtd.net/log/Hope_in_a_Darkened_Heart/
23:38 TR Bot; jmtd log Hope in a Darkened Heart
23:38 psydruid; I think the future is decentralised servers run on low-power chips, maybe even party solar-powered
23:38 schestowitz-TR; yeah
23:38 schestowitz-TR; my pi has run ok for months
23:38 schestowitz-TR; since the microsd breakdown
23:38 bnchs__; really?
23:39 bnchs__; low-power servers
23:39 schestowitz-TR; now I back up the whole system, even root and boot, to external storage
23:39 bnchs__; that's great
23:39 psydruid; yes
23:39 schestowitz-TR; so recovery would take only minutes
23:39 bnchs__; i mean it would only run a web server
23:39 schestowitz-TR; literally boot from the other media device
23:39 bnchs__; and a IRC server
23:39 bnchs__; or something
23:39 schestowitz-TR; and rianne has a rasp400
23:39 schestowitz-TR; so I have a spare machine too
23:39 schestowitz-TR; and spare routers in case I need those
23:40 schestowitz-TR; not sure how home hosting would work for irc
23:40 schestowitz-TR; irc needs low latency
23:40 schestowitz-TR; and many concurrent connections
23:40 psydruid; even my 5-year-old orange pi can run everything for a home environment
23:40 schestowitz-TR; I very much doubt running this irc network from home would scale ok, esp. for network lags
23:41 psydruid; of course you need more compute power for more serious services
23:41 schestowitz-TR; gemini is OK with high latency
23:41 schestowitz-TR; maybe it'll take 1 second to load, not 100ms
23:41 psydruid; but the hardware will grow up
23:41 schestowitz-TR; I've not moved to fibreoptics yet
23:41 schestowitz-TR; they wanted to make me the first in our area
23:41 psydruid; 5 watt in 2030 will give you a lot more compute than 5 watt gave you in 2020
23:42 schestowitz-TR; and I quit when I saw it was something they were ill equipped to deliver reliably
23:42 schestowitz-TR; they compensated me 90 pounds for the trouble
23:42 schestowitz-TR; 2030 will be a harsh time
23:42 schestowitz-TR; not sure we'll worry about home hosting
23:42 schestowitz-TR; 2022 is worse than 2008
23:42 psydruid; maybe
23:43 schestowitz; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/06/data-issue/
23:43 psydruid; unless societies get reformed
23:43 TR Bot; Blog Archive Over 20,000 COVID-19 Patients in British Hospitals, NHS Reports It Has DATA ISSUE and 2,714 Deaths [...] Added Retrospectively on 6 April 2022
23:43 psydruid; we could see more wars
23:43 psydruid; including civil ones
23:43 schestowitz-TR; more
23:43 schestowitz-TR; that's the key word
23:43 schestowitz-TR; we already have wars
23:43 schestowitz-TR; ukraine and maybe poland next
23:43 schestowitz-TR; or moldova
23:43 schestowitz-TR; my sister works with some ukrainian programmers
23:44 schestowitz-TR; they're affected, obv.
23:44 schestowitz-TR; notice how 'normalised' attacks on the Internet became
23:44 psydruid; I know many people in those countries
23:44 schestowitz-TR; I gave examples as recently as this morning
23:45 schestowitz-TR; there would be uproar if the same things happened a decade ago
23:45 schestowitz-TR; they purge a ton of material online
23:45 schestowitz-TR; and take down networks etc.
23:45 schestowitz-TR; so THAT is the future of the Net
23:45 schestowitz-TR; not the Web
23:45 schestowitz-TR; the Net
23:45 psydruid; as I lived and worked there and also visited over the years
23:45 schestowitz-TR; imagine them taking down IRC networks
23:45 schestowitz-TR; for not being with NATO or whatever
23:46 schestowitz-TR; networks, not channels
23:46 psydruid; I'm wondering if this wasn't always the idea behind the net
23:46 schestowitz-TR; "your letsencrypt cert has been revoked"
23:46 psydruid; a means to control societies
23:46 schestowitz-TR; "reason: radical content; citing some White House Internet Directive[NUMBER]"
23:46 schestowitz-TR; Microsdoft is still banning persians in github
23:46 schestowitz-TR; gitLAB also
23:47 schestowitz-TR; if you have iranian 'blood', you are "cracker"
23:47 schestowitz-TR; US never cracks aanyone
23:47 schestowitz-TR; this is "normal" now
23:47 schestowitz-TR; this is NOT for development
23:47 schestowitz-TR; for access too
23:47 schestowitz-TR; cannot access gitLAB repos
23:47 schestowitz-TR; to GET code
23:47 psydruid; "if they are all on the net wasting time playing video games and makng tiktok videos, they own' find out that we are ruining their societies"
23:47 schestowitz-TR; because Iran... WANTS to have nukes
23:48 schestowitz-TR; never mind India and Pak already having hundreds
23:48 psydruid; won't*
23:48 psydruid; Iran can be bullied, India not
23:49 schestowitz-TR; Imram Kahn has just attacked his own democracyt
23:49 schestowitz-TR; and he has nukes
23:49 schestowitz-TR; but that's OK
23:49 schestowitz-TR; Mosharaf et al ensure US 'controls' the place
23:49 schestowitz-TR; until Kahn does photo ops with Putin
23:49 schestowitz-TR; maybe github will block kashmir and jammu next
23:49 schestowitz-TR; like it did the oblasts in ukraine
23:50 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: IRAN Kahn :-)
23:50 psydruid; I read about Imran Khan a few days ago, but I don't remember what exactly it was about
23:50 schestowitz-TR; <khan
23:50 psydruid; :D
23:50 schestowitz-TR; sorry for typo, bad habit
23:51 schestowitz-TR; Tehran Khan
23:51 schestowitz-TR; Tehraniran Khan
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23:52 schestowitz; https://www.democracynow.org/2022/4/5/pakistan_pm_khan_blocks_no_confidence
23:52 TR Bot; Pakistan in Crisis After PM Imran Khan Dissolved Parliament & Accused U.S. of Plotting Regime Change | Democracy Now!
23:52 psydruid; the guy who stole the tech from here and then sold it to Iran and North Korea died a few years ago
23:52 psydruid; I think
23:52 schestowitz; https://thehill.com/opinion/international/586567-pakistan-is-opening-a-dangerous-pandoras-box-with-the-taliban
23:52 TR Bot; Pakistan is opening a dangerous Pandoras box with the Taliban | The Hill
23:53 schestowitz; we posted some more in Dails Links today (me looks at clock; 7 mins to ,mmidnight)
23:53 schestowitz; well, not to give hints to itran
23:53 schestowitz; and to kimkom
23:53 schestowitz; but they need to self-host
23:53 schestowitz; the code also
23:53 schestowitz; to ensure they maintain access to programs
23:53 schestowitz; mirror repos
23:53 schestowitz; and self-host
23:53 schestowitz; use BSD/GNU/Linux
23:54 schestowitz; anything else is foolishness
23:54 schestowitz; like venezuela using the clown
23:54 schestowitz; and then getting cut off coz "trump tantrum"
23:55 psydruid; Abdul Qadeer Khan died a few months ago even
23:55 psydruid; they can probably get hardware from China
23:56 schestowitz-TR; china is laughing at the whole thing
23:56 schestowitz-TR; business as usual in china
23:56 psydruid; but there also has to be a willingness to self-host things
23:56 schestowitz-TR; they just plan when to 'repossess' those factories in taiwan
23:56 schestowitz-TR; .tw would get invaded while us is like...errr.... "should have joined nato"
23:56 schestowitz-TR; (joke)
23:57 schestowitz-TR; and then what?
23:57 psydruid; which could be dangerous in Iran if you have a contrary opinion
23:57 schestowitz-TR; nuclear war?
23:57 psydruid; that won't happen
23:57 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: wait
23:57 schestowitz-TR; this is not an iran issue
23:57 schestowitz-TR; it's a global issus
23:57 schestowitz-TR; even in the uk
23:57 schestowitz-TR; I'm careful not to tackle us issues
23:57 schestowitz-TR; I don't want my home raided
23:58 schestowitz-TR; epo is safer to us
23:58 schestowitz-TR; and we're already baited and troll by nsa-connected idiots
23:58 schestowitz-TR; who want to discredit us
23:58 psydruid; yes, but if they block you in iran, you just build your own infrastructure
23:58 schestowitz-TR; *trolled
23:58 schestowitz-TR; iran is not so developed
23:58 schestowitz-TR; in all sorts of ways
23:59 schestowitz-TR; and home hosting there would likely be a challenge
23:59 psydruid; it has become clear how important that has become
23:59 schestowitz-TR; no "clown provider" would build there, except maybe chinese or russian
23:59 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: btw, one troll broke our IRC rules
23:59 schestowitz-TR; which we set in 2009
23:59 psydruid; I would say it's more developed than several European countries
23:59 schestowitz-TR; he issued threats to me
23:59 schestowitz-TR; and we pardoned him for it
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