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2 AM, April 5

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7 AM, April 5

07:31 Techrights-sec; restgarting httpd

07:31 Techrights-sec; How much FOSS experience does Mendoza have? https://linuxgizmos.com/about/

↺ https://linuxgizmos.com/about/

07:31 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/about/ )

↺ https://linuxgizmos.com/about/

07:32 schestowitz-TR; My last post on LinuxGizmos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163347

↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163347

07:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | My last post on LinuxGizmos | Tux Machines

07:32 schestowitz-TR; I don't know his name

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07:50 schestowitz-TR; thanks for catching the downtime. Based on montastic's emails, that happened literally when I went to sleep and was corrected minutes later. Had nothing been done, there could be a 6-hour downtime. After 43 days apachetop also crashed, so I assume something in apache went a little funny.

07:52 Techrights-sec; How much FOSS experience does Mendoza have? https://linuxgizmos.com/about/

↺ https://linuxgizmos.com/about/

07:52 Techrights-sec; He's mentioned in https://linuxgizmos.com/my-last-post-on-linuxgizmos/

↺ https://linuxgizmos.com/my-last-post-on-linuxgizmos/

07:52 Techrights-sec; I tried sifting through the Apache logs later but could not find anything

07:52 Techrights-sec; incriminating.

07:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/my-last-post-on-linuxgizmos/ )

↺ https://linuxgizmos.com/my-last-post-on-linuxgizmos/

07:53 schestowitz-TR; yes, he got mentioned there

07:53 schestowitz-TR; I said more in IRC

07:53 schestowitz-TR; about linux.com and eric browsn

07:53 schestowitz-TR; he's a casualty of spamnil zemlin

07:53 schestowitz-TR; and zemlin has just hired some unqualified "social" spammer as editor

07:53 schestowitz-TR; a person who does not even use Linux!

07:53 Techrights-sec; Too bad

07:53 Techrights-sec; Yes. Zemlin is working /against/ Linux and seems to always have been doing so.

07:54 schestowitz-TR; I thought about doing a video about it

07:54 schestowitz-TR; maybe I should

07:54 schestowitz-TR; but I don't have much to go with for more than 2 mins

07:55 Techrights-sec; ack

07:58 schestowitz-TR; I have (this morning) marked all the remainingf libreplanet talk as "read"

07:58 schestowitz-TR; At this point I sift through many low-quality

07:58 schestowitz-TR; or not-relevant-to-us

07:58 schestowitz-TR; "talks"

07:58 schestowitz-TR; some of them are very low quality and can barely be called talks

07:58 schestowitz-TR; to think they had snowden as keynote years ago

07:58 schestowitz-TR; this year's keynote was nothing special

07:58 schestowitz-TR; and talks about two artists and their maca dna boat

07:58 schestowitz-TR; very odd they eleveated this to keynote

07:58 schestowitz-TR; mike gerwitzx stepped down it seems

07:58 schestowitz-TR; at least from the FSD things

07:58 schestowitz-TR; but amin bendali took his place immeiatelyt

07:59 Techrights-sec; yes I noticed in a spot check. They were too numerous so I stopped checking

07:59 Techrights-sec; further.


8 AM, April 5

08:00 schestowitz-TR; yesterday I had to go through 6 talks before finding something adequate

08:00 schestowitz-TR; and it was aobout ebooks

08:00 schestowitz-TR; and not so relevant to us

08:01 schestowitz-TR; so that was likel;y a sign that I've exhausted the stock

08:01 schestowitz-TR; if you watch the librevr talk you may get a laugh

08:01 Techrights-sec; that is unfortunate, but matches what I saw

08:04 Techrights-sec; On another topic, there could be a use for SUEPO to contact the national news

08:04 Techrights-sec; services directly via e-mail with a short paragraph in English or in translation

08:04 schestowitz-TR; you assume they have not thought of that or have not done that

08:04 schestowitz-TR; this is not a new issue and we wrote many articles about the media

08:04 schestowitz-TR; blackout

08:04 schestowitz-TR; speaking of which, ursula and otehr eu officials get flack in twitter

08:04 schestowitz-TR; citing some of our posts

08:04 schestowitz-TR; the EPO scandals spill over to EU

08:06 Techrights-sec; yes I assume that

08:06 Techrights-sec; twitter censors heavily based on pro-M$ politics, and pro-M$ is pro-software

08:06 Techrights-sec; patent

08:06 Techrights-sec; Is there a published e-mail address for a SUEPO contact, should a way to break

08:06 Techrights-sec; the news blackout be found?

08:06 schestowitz-TR; I think it is on their web site, but SUPO (different one) might watch the comms

08:08 Techrights-sec; They don't have a standalone e-mail address? It would be dangerous to run

08:08 Techrights-sec; all their written communications through the EPO management.

08:09 schestowitz-TR; the suepo domain is separate from epo

08:09 schestowitz-TR; SUPO is an intel agency

08:09 schestowitz-TR; so I was making a joke

08:47 schestowitz-TR; otrs

08:47 schestowitz-TR; video about LF

08:47 schestowitz-TR; OTR

08:47 schestowitz-TR; OTA

08:47 Techrights-sec; ah


9 AM, April 5

09:05 schestowitz-TR; I have avoided naming anyone but Zemlin and the founder of LG

09:05 schestowitz-TR; as the new people deserve benfit of the doubt

09:05 schestowitz-TR; sort of

09:05 schestowitz-TR; it's 20 mins long

09:05 schestowitz-TR; working on the text now

09:15 schestowitz-TR; draft

09:22 Techrights-sec; ack

09:22 Techrights-sec; ack

09:22 Techrights-sec; The announcementof interest ought ot have a short, one-line-or-less description

09:22 Techrights-sec; also "includes an image" of what?

09:27 schestowitz-TR; thanks, I have made several improvements

09:27 schestowitz-TR; I will think of more info to add while it's processing

09:27 schestowitz-TR; expect the "news" to dry up some more now that Eric Brown is out

09:27 Techrights-sec; np

09:27 Techrights-sec; yes, and other news sites seem to be slowing down. ITWire to name one has

09:27 Techrights-sec; been unavailable for days

09:28 Techrights-sec; others have been slow to post or not posted at all the last few days

09:42 schestowitz-TR; don't wanna rammnble much

09:42 schestowitz-TR; but yes

09:42 schestowitz-TR; it's the same with patents

09:42 schestowitz-TR; you get updates from maybe 20% of what you added to the feeds

09:42 schestowitz-TR; the downside is

09:42 schestowitz-TR; we don'\t know what goes on

09:42 schestowitz-TR; or have very fewe data points

09:42 schestowitz-TR; yupside is,

09:42 schestowitz-TR; we have less ideaological opposition

09:42 schestowitz-TR; and less "competition"

09:42 schestowitz-TR; including in searches

09:42 schestowitz-TR; but either way

09:42 schestowitz-TR; we are NOT IN CONTROL OF WHAT OTHER SITES DO

09:42 schestowitz-TR; it is what it is

09:43 Techrights-sec; 20% would be a very high estimate, the RSS feeds I see are about 5% per day at

09:43 Techrights-sec; best

09:43 Techrights-sec; yes, there are so few covering topics that a great many important issues fall

09:43 Techrights-sec; between the cracks.

09:44 schestowitz-TR; my 20% figures was for weekly

09:44 schestowitz-TR; as I started reading patents only on sundays

09:44 schestowitz-TR; I am notw experimenting with daily again

09:44 schestowitz-TR; but the yield is not good

09:44 schestowitz-TR; the net is empty

09:44 schestowitz-TR; and I stopped checking Gulag Noise alaerts

09:44 schestowitz-TR; they are too noisy

09:44 schestowitz-TR; I might even cancel them all

09:44 schestowitz-TR; one more step towards gulag-free life

09:45 Techrights-sec; ack

09:53 Techrights-sec; BTW the backup drive here is pushing 90% full. Using rsync means that

09:53 Techrights-sec; deletion would have to occur on the server in order to save space.

09:53 Techrights-sec; Thoughts?

09:54 schestowitz-TR; rsync has a flag for deleting files that can no longer be found on the server, so if you rsync across from TR the older DB dumps that are no longer there would also get removed from your HDD

09:54 schestowitz-TR; I personally do not like setting that flag, in case an accidental file deletion then gets propagated to the backup to

09:54 schestowitz-TR; *too

09:55 schestowitz-TR; one workaround is doing a run with that option once a month

09:55 schestowitz-TR; so that run is a 'compacting pass'


10 AM, April 5

10:09 Techrights-sec; yes, that implies that we delete more of them from the server

10:10 schestowitz-TR; you already wrote a script that culls out older stacks of backups

10:21 Techrights-sec; yes that thins out a portion but perhaps more should be thinned out manuall

10:21 Techrights-sec; manually on occasion?

10:23 schestowitz-TR; my backup regime for the site is rather poor

10:23 schestowitz-TR; I trust the RAID, if any, too much

10:23 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I take copies of the latest DB

10:23 schestowitz-TR; or the latest year in the uploads directory

10:24 schestowitz-TR; my relationship with the admin improved

10:24 schestowitz-TR; compared to one year ago

10:24 schestowitz-TR; but it's good to have backups in case of total hardware

10:24 schestowitz-TR; breakdowns

10:24 schestowitz-TR; maybe this coming weekend I will dump a full copy onto the new laptop

10:24 schestowitz-TR; it's about 160GB, so can take days to complete


11 AM, April 5

11:06 Techrights-sec; It's good that there is improvement.

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noon, April 5

12:08 schestowitz-TR; The platforms chosen by the EFF contradict its own stance of policy (if they still have any) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/podcast-episode-your-tax-dollars-work

↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/podcast-episode-your-tax-dollars-work

12:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Podcast Episode: Your Tax Dollars At Work | Electronic Frontier Foundation

12:09 Techrights-sec; They go so far as to boost M$ these days.

12:09 Techrights-sec; At least they also mention the Internet Archive but that should have been

12:09 Techrights-sec; featured first and foremost among the options presented.

12:09 Techrights-sec; Ogg would have been a better container than MP3

12:13 schestowitz-TR; there is anon-stat.eff.org

12:13 schestowitz-TR; tbh, no such thing should exist

12:13 schestowitz-TR; they should not behave like a company

12:13 schestowitz-TR; this loads up when you open their side

12:13 schestowitz-TR; whose idea was it?

12:13 schestowitz-TR; they use the term "big tech" several time in this episode

12:13 schestowitz-TR; maybe they should get back to shilling DDG

12:13 schestowitz-TR; and maybe https://www.eff.org/pages/effs-diversity-statement

↺ https://www.eff.org/pages/effs-diversity-statement

12:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | EFF's Commitment to Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion | Electronic Frontier Foundation

12:13 schestowitz-TR; this likely means a quotas system

12:14 Techrights-sec; ack

12:15 schestowitz-TR; I am alol for diversity

12:15 schestowitz-TR; but quotas are not the way

12:15 schestowitz-TR; they can be damaging

12:15 schestowitz-TR; because they necessarily means lowering one's quality of recruit

12:15 schestowitz-TR; or their suitability for the job

12:15 schestowitz-TR; mostly for optic's sake

12:15 schestowitz-TR; and then companies reward for it

12:15 schestowitz-TR; they do for D &I

12:15 schestowitz-TR; but it's more about defanging the watchdog IMHO

12:16 Techrights-sec; there are very strong arguments against quotas

12:16 Techrights-sec; recruiting and call for papers can be done "blind" to much greater effect.

12:16 Techrights-sec; See how LFSE did it, yet were attacked for having neither quotas nor sucking CocC

12:16 schestowitz-TR; attacked?

12:16 schestowitz-TR; That's what social control media is for

12:16 schestowitz-TR; Ukraine obliterated the Web this way

12:16 schestowitz-TR; siccing mobs

12:18 Techrights-sec; Yes the mob went after him and, in person, threatened physical violence IIRC

12:18 Techrights-sec; Several references were in the links many years ago including a long interview

12:18 Techrights-sec; s/LFSE/SELF/

12:41 schestowitz-TR; off topic ran

12:41 schestowitz-TR; rant:

12:41 schestowitz-TR; techdirt resorted to very bad language in recent years

12:42 schestowitz-TR; like very bad words like "fucking" in headlines

12:42 schestowitz-TR; the topics covered are not what they had been until a decade ago

12:42 schestowitz-TR; I often do not agree with the position or the conclusion either

12:42 schestowitz-TR; but then again mmasnick isn't the sole mwrite there

12:42 schestowitz-TR; he used to sling like 10 decent posts a day

12:42 schestowitz-TR; that changed after a while

12:42 schestowitz-TR; and now it's TONS of politics

12:42 schestowitz-TR; or some things about police

12:42 schestowitz-TR; that addresses a set of ssubjects already covered by media

12:42 schestowitz-TR; and leaves vacuum in areas like copyrights

12:43 Techrights-sec; It's so that the topics are more easily downranked in the search engine results,

12:43 Techrights-sec; as sort of reverse SEO

12:43 Techrights-sec; When they stick to technology, and technology policy, they still do a good job.

12:43 Techrights-sec; With politics and related controversies, they often pick up easily debunked but

12:43 Techrights-sec; populist positions.

12:43 Techrights-sec; Yes, they used to cover copyright issues quite thoroughly and are losing the

12:43 Techrights-sec; plot there.

12:43 schestowitz-TR; it is just that copyright issue make up no more than 20% of the total

12:43 schestowitz-TR; patents not even 5-10%

12:45 Techrights-sec; ack

12:47 schestowitz-TR; i guess that on some rather supierficial level I am ok with i

12:47 schestowitz-TR; *it

12:47 schestowitz-TR; knowing it means less "competition" for us

12:47 schestowitz-TR; but sometimes it helps with a wider set of people is outraged by

12:47 schestowitz-TR; obvious bad policy

12:47 schestowitz-TR; EPO and Microsoft crimes are among thosee

12:47 schestowitz-TR; when did you LAST see ANY article concerning software patents?

12:47 schestowitz-TR; maybe we can get will smith to slap some patent troll on stage

12:47 schestowitz-TR; and bring the issue back to the center/front

12:48 Techrights-sec; I figure more sites covering those topics help with outreach

12:48 Techrights-sec; Last? Months ago and then mabye a year or so before that again.

12:48 schestowitz-TR; yes, I was going to say some time last year

12:57 schestowitz-TR; fossforce gets paid by Zemlin for this webspam of LF https://fossforce.com/2022/04/free-training-and-certification-linux-foundation-taking-submissions-for-lift-scholarships see http://techrights.org/2022/04/05/not-so-linux-foundation/

↺ https://fossforce.com/2022/04/free-training-and-certification-linux-foundation-taking-submissions-for-lift-scholarships

http://techrights.org/2022/04/05/not-so-linux-foundation/

12:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fossforce.com | Free Training and Certification: Linux Foundation Taking Submissions for LiFT Scholarships - FOSS Force

12:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Should Remove Linux From Its Name | Techrights

12:57 schestowitz-TR; It is worth remembering that only years afo fossforce was a vocal critic

12:57 schestowitz-TR; of LF

12:57 schestowitz-TR; will they persist with a consistent position on that issue?

12:57 schestowitz-TR; haha, not bloody likely !!

12:57 Techrights-sec; :(

12:57 Techrights-sec; unfortunate.

12:57 schestowitz-TR; the modus operandi of EPO management

12:58 schestowitz-TR; and winston in 1984


1 PM, April 5

13:01 Techrights-sec; ack

13:01 schestowitz-TR; Winston Nichols

13:06 schestowitz-TR; if you can suggest a video topic, it would help me a lot

13:06 schestowitz-TR; a tad slow at epo and linux is just fluff

13:06 Techrights-sec; ack

13:06 Techrights-sec; if there were more data to track the decline of Linux coverage that would

13:06 Techrights-sec; be useful; there is data on the general dismantling of journalism but nothing

13:06 Techrights-sec; specific to Linux or FOSS or even general ICT

13:08 schestowitz-TR; we covered this in the past

13:08 schestowitz-TR; also, as you note, the real news isn't to do with linux

13:08 schestowitz-TR; but all topics

13:08 schestowitz-TR; or

13:08 schestowitz-TR; all of "the web"

13:08 schestowitz-TR; or "readers' 'consumption'"

13:08 schestowitz-TR; I am not in a position to comment on this

13:08 schestowitz-TR; but it would be a nice dissertatioin/thesis topic

13:08 schestowitz-TR; which would involve collecting a lot of data

13:08 schestowitz-TR; like # of writers

13:08 schestowitz-TR; number of sites

13:08 schestowitz-TR; mind you, social control media is rotting also

13:08 schestowitz-TR; inc. gulagtube

13:08 schestowitz-TR; they juyst try to squeeze some cash on the way out

13:09 schestowitz-TR; OTA, found something at epo.orgf

13:09 Techrights-sec; ack

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13:55 schestowitz-TR; https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/05/how-to-get-your-domain-suspended-in-five-easy-steps/BBB

↺ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/05/how-to-get-your-domain-suspended-in-five-easy-steps/BBB

13:55 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/05/how-to-get-your-domain-suspended-in-five-easy-steps/BBB )

↺ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/05/how-to-get-your-domain-suspended-in-five-easy-steps/BBB

13:55 schestowitz-TR; i read quickly through it

13:55 schestowitz-TR; JS+social contropl media+dns

13:55 schestowitz-TR; bloat shit = 3-4 days offline

13:55 Techrights-sec; ack

13:55 schestowitz-TR; he mentions gulag clown at the end

13:55 schestowitz-TR; $500/year

13:55 schestowitz-TR; I should show this to some idiots

13:55 schestowitz-TR; maybe they will stomp saying "Google is your friend"


2 PM, April 5

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3 PM, April 5

15:01 schestowitz-TR; ota\

15:01 schestowitz-TR; I keep pushing the point about vaccines and patents

15:01 schestowitz-TR; which I think will help

15:02 schestowitz-TR; given that the audience includes many patent examiners

15:02 schestowitz-TR; I hope I speak in an accent and pace that makes it easy to understand

15:02 schestowitz-TR; even for those whose English is not a first language

15:02 schestowitz-TR; some people don't take into account the pace and the target

15:02 schestowitz-TR; audience, so their ability to get a message across is impeded

15:02 schestowitz-TR; apmnil just chews up lots of words and is buzzword-dropping

15:02 schestowitz-TR; no wonder nobody watches that shit

15:02 schestowitz-TR; but the EPO's presidents are appalling spreakers

15:02 schestowitz-TR; it's like watching a couple of frenchmen in a fish market

15:02 schestowitz-TR; of course their mpoor communication skills work in our favour

15:02 Techrights-sec; ack

15:02 Techrights-sec; I think so

15:02 Techrights-sec; putting his shit on that site is killing it on purpose

15:02 Techrights-sec; they are not in their office because of their skills or abilities, which they

15:02 Techrights-sec; generally lack

15:03 schestowitz-TR; this is what senior staff has long complained about

15:03 schestowitz-TR; the hiring standards have collapsed also for examiners

15:04 schestowitz-TR; now I can record another video on ther other laptop while the first is processing

15:04 schestowitz-TR; I think I will use both for this

15:04 schestowitz-TR; can you think of a pressing topic?

15:34 Techrights-sec; not off the top of my head

15:50 schestowitz-TR; I eneded up doing a video showing how I use the new setup


4 PM, April 5

16:20 schestowitz-TR; drafgt

16:25 Techrights-sec; Does SUEPO have a news or blog feed covering the strike before and after?

16:25 Techrights-sec; \

16:25 schestowitz-TR; yes, rss and web site. the media ignored that.

16:26 Techrights-sec; then that should be linked in the post

16:26 Techrights-sec; thanks

16:26 schestowitz-TR; adding

16:34 Techrights-sec; I think it helps to try to drive traffic their direction

16:35 schestowitz-TR; if done too often, either way, it contributes to the idea of 'collusion' or coordination

16:41 Techrights-sec; :/

16:41 Techrights-sec; Their site is not navigable

16:41 schestowitz-TR; they 'modernised' it about 5 years ago

16:42 Techrights-sec; One can't just start at the SUEPO site and find out their activities and goals

16:42 Techrights-sec; maybe they like it like that.

16:42 Techrights-sec; Modernized as in removed all aspects of usability and discoverabuility in

16:42 Techrights-sec; exchange for "engagement" as measured by fruitless interacvtion for long

16:42 Techrights-sec; durations.

16:54 Techrights-sec; (around but not near the computer)


7 PM, April 5

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9 PM, April 5

21:38 schestowitz-TR; draft

21:38 Techrights-sec; ack

21:38 Techrights-sec; a few words about what is exposed in the metadata would help

21:43 schestowitz-TR; done

21:44 Techrights-sec; thanks

21:44 schestowitz-TR; at least you can tell that they feel the heat :-)

21:44 Techrights-sec; yes but their reaction is to attack the messenger not fix their behavior

21:50 Techrights-sec; ack


10 PM, April 5

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