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00:00 TR News; (NEW): Games: Godot, Steam Deck, and End of Stadia http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Games_Godot_Steam_Deck_and_End_of_Stadia.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Games_Godot_Steam_Deck_and_End_of_Stadia.gmi
00:00 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Godot, Steam Deck, and End of Stadia
00:00 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/09/29/1125923528/biden-student-loans-debt-cancellation-ffel-perkins
00:00 TR Bot; The Biden administration just changed the rules for student loan forgiveness : NPR
00:01 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Dad was onto something.
00:01 DaemonFC; When he said there's not a politician in Washington who will tell you something and feel bound by that tomorrow.
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; "dad" got banned by FB
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; for saying he wished Sleepy was dead
00:01 DaemonFC; Biden just excluded 800,000 people from "forgiveness" of student loans.
00:01 DaemonFC; He's not banned.
00:01 highest_cubist_thrills; the dwarf?
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00:02 DaemonFC; They got rid of him for 72 hours once after I reported him for something.
00:02 DaemonFC; Then he's back and just moderating himself barely enough to keep from getting another one.
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00:03 DaemonFC; But yeah, the US is as bad as China. When you have to stop referring to the President by name and start calling him by some code word, and then update the code word as they get wise to it.
00:03 MinceR; 30 005848 < DaemonFC> The language the driver is written in is an aside when you consider that nobody in charge of the kernel is willing to put their foot down and say "NO!" "You WILL fix this.".
00:03 highest_cubist_thrills; when fb said all lives matter, they really meant it i guess
00:03 TR News; Red Hat Inc.: corporation. Red Hat under ICBM: snakes.
00:03 TR News; What are the differences between absolute and relative paths? | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/linux-path-absolute-relative Source: Red Hat Official | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/sysadmin/linux-path-absolute-relative
00:03 TR Bot; What are the differences between absolute and relative paths? | Enable Sysadmin
00:03 MinceR; the hype-V drivers are also a pretty good example of this
00:03 MinceR; and they happen to come from a corporation in control of rust
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; /me decides whether to trust software engineers on hardware matters
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; im not saying its impossible, only tenuous
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; "never trust a programmer with a screwdriver"
00:04 MinceR; do you trust them on software matters? :>
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; what, generally speaking?
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; fuck no
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; :>
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; you dont either
00:05 MinceR; if you trust anyone, i have a mission for you to retrieve a sacred chalice from an Order facility :>
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; im good, still trying to find a delicious cake
00:05 TR News; "The Chrome beta post will now be posted to the Chrome Developers site. Find the release notes for Chrome Beta 107 here." https://blog.chromium.org/2022/09/chrome-107-beta.html
00:05 TR Bot; Chromium Blog: Chrome 107 Beta
00:06 TR News; Excellent Free Tutorials to Learn GDScript - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/excellent-free-tutorials-learn-gdscript/ Source: Linux Links | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxlinks.com/excellent-free-tutorials-learn-gdscript/
00:06 TR Bot; Free Tutorials to Learn GDScript - LinuxLinks
00:06 highest_cubist_thrills; join us today so we can bake for your freedom!
00:06 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm: join us today so we can bake... um, nothing
00:06 DaemonFC; "It's unclear why the department reversed its decision on allowing FFEL borrowers with commercially-held loans to consolidate and then qualify for debt relief."
00:06 TR News; (NEW): Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi
00:06 TR Bot; Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
00:07 DaemonFC; Because it wants to avoid being sued by the student loan companies.
00:07 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm: cant be trusted with ovens, or computers
00:07 DaemonFC; If the government pays them off in one lump, then the student loan companies can sue claiming the harm is that most borrowers couldn't do that, and now they won't make as much in interest.
00:07 starstreak; the world would be a different place if ibm was successful with OS/2
00:08 highest_cubist_thrills; instead, microsoft was successful with it
00:08 DaemonFC; And if the federal government paid them off with interest expected, then it's not forgiving a current debt, it's a spending program, and they get sued.
00:08 highest_cubist_thrills; but theyre an avatar of ibm anyway
00:08 MinceR; highest_cubist_thrills: https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Harris
00:08 TR Bot; Harris | Doom Wiki | Fandom
00:09 highest_cubist_thrills; kamala?
00:09 *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights
00:09 highest_cubist_thrills; /me thinks they should remake doom with nothing but fake liberals
00:09 TR News; "XDA Phone" F(x)tec Pro1X... Is a Massive Disappointment https://www.makeuseof.com/fxtec-pro1-xda-phone-review/ it looks like they promote MICROSOFT (DuckDuckGo) http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
00:09 TR Bot; "XDA Phone" F(x)tec Pro1X... Is a Massive Disappointment
00:09 TR Bot; DuckDuckGo - Techrights
00:09 highest_cubist_thrills; /me imagines bernie running around with a bfg
00:09 MinceR; no
00:10 highest_cubist_thrills; "nice mittens"
00:10 MinceR; also, it's not Doom, it's Strife
00:10 highest_cubist_thrills; "yeah, nice gun."
00:10 highest_cubist_thrills; ahh, ok
00:10 starstreak; guns are awesome
00:10 highest_cubist_thrills; :)
00:10 starstreak; if you go far enough left you get your guns back
00:10 TR News; Digitize your collection of 35mm slides | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/29/digitize-your-collection-of-35mm-slides/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/29/digitize-your-collection-of-35mm-slides/
00:10 TR Bot; Digitize your collection of 35mm slides | Arduino Blog
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; thats how we know the left hasnt gone far enough
00:11 starstreak; that's because a lot of people are dirty centrists
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00:11 TR News; Rust, Apple, GNOME, systemd, Wayland, GitHub other garbage... this isn't the GNU/Linux you want. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Apple-DRM-GNOME-And-Apps
00:11 TR Bot; M1 Linux GPU DRM Driver Now Running GNOME, Various Apps - Phoronix
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; yes but i like contrapoints anyway
00:12 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, in general theyre disgusting
00:12 starstreak; I think all political spectrums should team up to wipe out the centrists
00:12 highest_cubist_thrills; down with centrists!
00:12 TR News; "Science fiction has a longstanding love-hate relationship with the tech tycoon. The literature is full of billionaire inventors, sometimes painted as system-bucking heroes, at other times as megalomanical supervillains." https://locusmag.com/2022/03/cory-doctorow-vertically-challenged/
00:12 TR Bot; Cory Doctorow: Vertically Challenged Locus Online
00:12 TR News; Six million silenced: A two-year internet outage in Ethiopia https://www.reuters.com/article/ethiopia-internet-shutdown-idAFL8N2ZM09X
00:12 TR Bot; million silenced: A two-year internet outage in Ethiopia | Reuters
00:13 highest_cubist_thrills; I think all political spectrums should team up <- /me ignores that this is what centrism is all about tbh
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00:13 TR News; In Myanmars rebel strongholds, internet can mean life or death https://jp.reuters.com/article/myanmar-internet-shutdown-idUSL8N3012DE usually being ON the Internet endangers people MORE
00:13 TR Bot; FEATURE-In Myanmar's rebel strongholds, internet can mean life or death |
00:14 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, thats the joke!
00:14 highest_cubist_thrills; it almost went over my head
00:14 starstreak; I was quoting Greg Guevara, the dude with autizmophrenia
00:14 TR News; If you do not control the Internet, then the true controllers of the Internet are controlling YOU
00:15 highest_cubist_thrills; he said that? he sounds like vermin supreme
00:15 starstreak; :)
00:15 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@b3cwzqcm48q78.irc) has joined #techrights
00:15 starstreak; he even setup his website on angelfire - http://greg.guevara.angelfire.com/
00:15 TR Bot; Home
00:15 highest_cubist_thrills; rofl
00:16 TR News; Webspam. Spamnil style... https://venturebeat.com/ai/arize-ai-brings-ml-observability-to-google-marketplace/
00:16 TR Bot; AI aims to bring ML observability to Google Cloud Marketplace | VentureBeat
00:19 TR News; How MLops deployment can be easier with open-source versioning | VentureBeat https://venturebeat.com/ai/how-mlops-deployment-can-be-easier-with-open-source-versioning/ Source: Venture Beat | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//venturebeat.com/ai/how-mlops-deployment-can-be-easier-with-open-source-versioning/
00:19 TR Bot; MLops deployment can be easier with open-source versioning | VentureBeat
00:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
00:20 TR News; Out-of-bounds Read https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-182-03
00:20 TR Bot; Delta Electronics DOPSoft (Update B) | CISA
00:20 TR News; Automatically ban ports scanner IPs on NixOS gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/iblock-implemented-in-nixos.gmi
00:20 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?
00:20 starstreak; I am severely mentally ill.
00:21 highest_cubist_thrills; it would take a crazy person
00:21 highest_cubist_thrills; yes, thats the joke
00:21 TR News; "We often write about business card or credit card-sized boards, but its only true for 2D dimensions, as most boards are over a centimeter thick, with possibly the thinnest weve covered being the Khadas Edge2 SBC thats just 7mm thick." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/29/ello-lc1-credit-card-8-bit-diy-computer-2mm-thin/
00:21 TR Bot; ELLO LC1 - A 2mm thin DIY "computer" based on Microchip PIC18 8-bit MCU - CNX Software
00:21 TR News; KDE neon 20220929 is out today https://neon.kde.org/
00:21 TR Bot; KDE neon
00:22 starstreak; yay kde neon!
00:22 MinceR; starstreak: is your refrigerator running?
00:22 MinceR; ew, kde neon
00:22 schestowitz[TR]; <starstreak> I am severely mentally ill.
00:22 schestowitz[TR]; running Windows 3.11 is not a mental illness
00:22 starstreak; MinceR, yes!
00:23 MinceR; starstreak: better catch it, then!
00:23 starstreak; MinceR, oh noes! i just got butt-slammed
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> ew, kde neon <- ew, kde
00:23 MinceR; +
00:23 starstreak; Roy uses KDE Neon
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; btw
00:24 MinceR; that's his problem
00:24 starstreak; yeah it is, i wouldn't want to use something based on ubuntu lts
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; :D
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; kde neon is a fork of ubuntu? that explains a lot
00:25 starstreak; KDE Neon is Ubuntu LTS with a repo for the latest version of KDE
00:25 TR News; (UPDATED): ExTiX 22.9 KDE Plasma together with Anbox ('Android in a Box' with Google Play Store pre-installed) :: Build 220922 (UPDATED) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/ExTiX_22_9_KDE_Plasma_together_with_Anbox_Android_in_a_Box_with.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/ExTiX_22_9_KDE_Plasma_together_with_Anbox_Android_in_a_Box_with.
00:25 TR Bot; Tux Machines ExTiX 22.9 KDE Plasma together with Anbox ('Android in a Box' with Google Play Store pre-installed) :: Build 220922 (UPDATED)
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; /me didnt think roy had any kinks like that but
00:25 starstreak; other than KDE Neon, Roy also uses Debian
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; but its always the ones you never suspect
00:25 starstreak; LOL
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; Roy also uses Debian <- no, debian uses him
00:26 DaemonFC; The Canadians wouldn't have a sense of national pride if they had to sing about what really happened.
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; roy is really the victim here
00:26 DaemonFC; O' Canada! We stole our "native" land! And built our schools on top of their children's dead bodies, which we put in a mass grave, and then told others they can't live here!
00:27 DaemonFC; Oh, and here's a guy who smokes crack. We put him in charge of an entire province because it's Canada and nobody noticed.
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; i used to run debian
00:27 MinceR; nobody should have a sense of national pride
00:27 MinceR; there shouldn't be nations
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; i kept repeating the safeword but systemd didnt care
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> there shouldn't be nations <- more or less agree
00:28 DaemonFC; Hey, you know they're always quoting that part of the bible at military funerals.
00:28 MinceR; people shouldn't gang up to kill other gangs for the sake of unworthy leaders
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; but lets start with hungary and russia
00:28 MinceR; yeah
00:28 MinceR; and poland and belarus
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; sure why not
00:28 MinceR; and red china
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and france and germany
00:28 MinceR; and north korea
00:28 TR News; Zemlin the COVIDiot is trying to make money from corporate ticket fares https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cassandra-summit-returns-in-2023-301637129.html
00:28 TR Bot; Cassandra Summit Returns in 2023
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; /me blames canada for all of them
00:28 DaemonFC; About the day when nations don't declare war on each other and people beat their swords into ploughshares. and such.
00:28 MinceR; i see you've been watching south park
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; i AM south park!
00:29 DaemonFC; It's amazing how they have that at military funerals.
00:29 TR News; Three conferences for the price of none! https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/three-conferences-for-the-price-of-none.html Source: Collabora | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/three-conferences-for-the-price-of-none.html
00:29 TR Bot; Three conferences for the price of none!
00:29 DaemonFC; Like, how did he die?
00:29 MinceR; hm
00:29 MinceR; so cartman is inside you?
00:29 DaemonFC; Oh, we declared war on someone else and they killed a few of ours.
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; /me thinks theres a bit of cartman inside of everyone really
00:29 DaemonFC; Now we're quoting the anti-war part of the bible for the lulz.
00:29 MinceR; lol
00:30 DaemonFC; Meanwhile, the US has something even worse than state TV. All of the anti-war journalists were rounded up and fired 20 years ago.
00:30 DaemonFC; And they haven't brought any back since then.
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; and of course satan https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hv_zJrO_ptk
00:30 TR Bot; INXS - Devil Inside (Official Music Video) - Invidious
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; but worst of all, mrs. brovlovski
00:30 DaemonFC; So it's propaganda from Wall Street and propaganda from the government, mixed in with advertising about Taco Bell's meatless steak.
00:30 MinceR; Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
00:30 MinceR; Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
00:31 highest_cubist_thrills; idle hands are the devils bdsm dungeon
00:31 DaemonFC; mjg59_ wants a day where everyone is trapped on Windows, and can only use the Windows store, and Microsoft won't allow alternatives to the Web into the store.
00:31 DaemonFC; And then you can't read about people like me who are sick of the bullshit on the "news".
00:31 MinceR; Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
00:31 highest_cubist_thrills; "Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight." <- pulp fiction?
00:31 MinceR; bible
00:32 MinceR; https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ps/144.html#1
00:32 TR Bot; SAB: Psalm 144
00:32 TR News; LibreOffice Conference 2022: Day 1 https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/09/29/libreoffice-conference-2022-day-1/
00:32 TR Bot; LibreOffice Conference 2022: Day 1 - The Document Foundation Blog
00:32 TR News; My Thoughts About Linux Today - DT LIVE! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac_P5y8wLfo
00:32 TR Bot; https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=ac_P5y8wLfo
00:32 TR Bot; invidious.snopyta.org | My Thoughts About Linux Today - DT LIVE! - Invidious
00:32 highest_cubist_thrills; /me is sure the egyptian original is better anyway
00:32 DaemonFC; It's probably harder for mjg59_ to run and promote denial of service attacks on Gemini. Usually if that's all you're running, you don't need something like ClownFlare DDoS Protection.
00:33 DaemonFC; Because most of your attackers on the Web just find some really large files and start downloading them over and over again until nobody can reach your site.
00:33 schestowitz[TR]; he violates the CoC
00:33 schestowitz[TR]; against clownflare staff
00:33 schestowitz[TR]; but it's OOKK
00:33 DaemonFC; So you get Clownflare, and then mjg59_ petitions them to remove your hosting.
00:33 highest_cubist_thrills; jewish mysticism teaches you that everyone is holding the bible wrong anyway
00:33 schestowitz[TR]; he's exempt
00:33 schestowitz[TR]; he's a trans minority
00:33 schestowitz[TR]; irish man
00:34 DaemonFC; He's going to pull a decent Sinead O'Connor if he keeps losing hair like this in a few years.
00:34 schestowitz[TR]; irish men are exempt from CoC enforcement
00:34 schestowitz[TR]; they've suffered enough
00:34 DaemonFC; His whatever has no CoC.
00:34 DaemonFC; So he's fine.
00:34 highest_cubist_thrills; "but we dont want the irish!"-- blazing saddles
00:35 highest_cubist_thrills; i never knew that line until a woman from mjg-land taught it to me
00:35 highest_cubist_thrills; /me has seen that part of the movie now
00:35 DaemonFC; I'm glad I have a dick. Not so much for the having a dick part as the rest of being a man, you know. As much as society likes to kick us down using its vile courts and police and stuff, there are advantages.
00:35 schestowitz[TR]; he is like white people who think they are black because they listent o rap
00:36 highest_cubist_thrills; "lots of planets have a north"-- doctor who
00:36 schestowitz[TR]; listen to
00:36 DaemonFC; Less personal items to buy. No worries about someone getting you pregnant.
00:36 TR News; Living in the stone age: Offline for 18 months in Indian Kashmir https://www.reuters.com/article/india-internet-shutdown-idINL8N2YZ245
00:36 TR Bot; in the stone age': Offline for 18 months in Indian Kashmir | Reuters
00:36 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pHCdS7O248g
00:36 TR Bot; Blondie - Rapture (Official Music Video) - Invidious
00:36 TR News; (NEW): Pandora Radio Client Pithos 1.6.0 Now Uses CSD Header bar [Ubuntu PPA] http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Pandora_Radio_Client_Pithos_1_6_0_Now_Uses_CSD_Header_bar_Ubunt.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Pandora_Radio_Client_Pithos_1_6_0_Now_Uses_CSD_Header_bar_Ubunt.gmi
00:36 TR Bot; Tux Machines Pandora Radio Client Pithos 1.6.0 Now Uses CSD Header bar [Ubuntu PPA]
00:37 TR News; Enforce CRD Immutability with CEL Transition Rules https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/09/29/enforce-immutability-using-cel/
00:37 TR Bot; Enforce CRD Immutability with CEL Transition Rules | Kubernetes
00:37 DaemonFC; I'm going to take a drive down to Chicago tomorrow. Mandy wants to go to Jollibee and it's a good excuse I guess to really drive the car and make sure the ABS isn't going to go nuts again.
00:38 DaemonFC; The old module wasn't kind enough to just go ahead and fail completely and set a code about why it failed.
00:38 DaemonFC; Oh no, why would anything around me be THAT nice?
00:38 TR News; CentOS Hyperscale SIG conference recap - Blog.CentOS.org https://blog.centos.org/2022/09/centos-hyperscale-sig-conference-recap/ Source: CentOS | this distro is dying, ICBM is nuking it
00:38 TR Bot; Hyperscale SIG conference recap Blog.CentOS.org
00:38 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, how dare you link a song from blondie without also including https://youtu.be/WGU_4-5RaxU
00:38 TR Bot; https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU
00:38 TR Bot; ( status 502 @ https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU )
00:38 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4B_UYYPb-Gk
00:39 TR Bot; RUN DMC - Walk This Way (Official HD Video) ft. Aerosmith - Invidious
00:39 DaemonFC; Everything has to fuck with you to make you think you're going crazy first.
00:39 TR News; ICBM is pushing super-expensive stuff while killing CentOS https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/29/ibm_red_hat_linux/
00:39 TR Bot; IBM and Red Hat have some new Linux goodies The Register
00:39 DaemonFC; Spend a lot of money fixing problems that for this issue turned out to be a red herring.
00:39 highest_cubist_thrills; https://youtu.be/WGU_4-5RaxU <- good song
00:40 DaemonFC; Like, I noticed the ABS was acting up, so I had them look at the wheel hub. Then I find out the bearing isn't turning like it should, so I fix that and it has no effect on the ABS.
00:40 TR News; Intel Comet Lake 10th Gen processor = energy waste, very expensive, and back doors https://linuxgizmos.com/comet-lake-based-pc-available-in-barebone-and-customizable-models/
00:40 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/comet-lake-based-pc-available-in-barebone-and-customizable-models/ )
00:40 DaemonFC; Then I noticed the car needed a brake job, and figured the brakes might be tripping the system out. (The car was pulling to the left when I hit the pedal.) New brakes fixed the pulling, but not the ABS.
00:41 DaemonFC; Sitting around a lot is worse for a car as driving it.
00:41 highest_cubist_thrills; but rapture had blondie rapping about grandmaster flash
00:41 DaemonFC; Because you know, nothing's running. Things gunk up, grease sits there and hardens. Rubber rots.
00:41 highest_cubist_thrills; because she saw him playing and said "im going to do a song about you"
00:41 DaemonFC; Oil congeals and separates and turns into a wax.
00:42 DaemonFC; Then you go to turn the car on and.....nothing.
00:42 highest_cubist_thrills; granted i dont think much of her rapping, but it certainly was a step on the road to hip hop becoming mainstream
00:43 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe 10 years before it really did
00:43 TR News; Container Journal still gives platform to horrible liar and Microsoft mole Alan Shimel. His OWN site appears to have nearly collapsed. http://techrights.org/2019/09/09/attacking-foss-by-proxy/
00:43 TR Bot; Security Boulevard is a Microsoft-Connected Attack Site Created by a Free Software-Hostile Person | Techrights
00:43 TR News; (NEW): Server: IBM, CentOS, Kubernetes, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Server_IBM_CentOS_Kubernetes_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Server_IBM_CentOS_Kubernetes_and_More.gmi
00:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Server: IBM, CentOS, Kubernetes, and More
00:44 TR News; FCC Votes To Give Disabled Incarcerated People Access to Specialized Communications Services - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/fcc-votes-to-give-disabled-incarcerated-people-access-to-specialized-communications-services/ Source: Public Knowledge
00:44 TR Bot; FCC Votes To Give Disabled Incarcerated People Access to Specialized Communications Services - Public Knowledge
00:45 highest_cubist_thrills; then again the 70s were like that. everything was becoming gay and black, and by the late 70s a backlash had already started
00:45 TR News; Public Knowledge Applauds House for Passing Bill Increasing Funding for Antitrust Enforcement - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-applauds-house-for-passing-bill-increasing-funding-for-antitrust-enforcement/ while at the same time Public Knowledge allowed into its board someone from Microsoft!! The worst of the worst.
00:45 TR Bot; Public Knowledge Applauds House for Passing Bill Increasing Funding for Antitrust Enforcement - Public Knowledge
00:47 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xT6IuqoMIgg
00:47 TR Bot; Undercover Brother - Dance Scene - Invidious
00:48 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/funny-pictures-8-1-22-4.jpg
00:48 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=znlFu_lemsU
00:48 TR Bot; Mary J. Blige - Family Affair (Official Music Video) - Invidious
00:49 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi
00:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
00:52 highest_cubist_thrills; /me cant be black because jews have no rhythm
00:52 highest_cubist_thrills; however theres clearly a threshold, because i think craig david is jewish
00:53 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=P5lmb5-tnM0
00:53 TR Bot; Craig David - 7 Days (Official Video) - Invidious
00:53 MinceR; seven days and one week
00:54 TR News; Links 29/09/2022: Avidemux 2.8.1 and Pithos 1.6.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/29/avidemux-2-8-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/29/avidemux-2-8-1/
00:54 TR Bot; Links 29/09/2022: Avidemux 2.8.1 and Pithos 1.6.0 | Techrights
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00:55 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fC_q9KPczAg
00:55 TR Bot; Barenaked Ladies - One Week (Official Music Video) - Invidious
00:55 starstreak; Great song!
00:56 TR News; (NEW): Devices With GNU/Linux and Arduino http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Devices_With_GNU_Linux_and_Arduino.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Devices_With_GNU_Linux_and_Arduino.gmi
00:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines Devices With GNU/Linux and Arduino
00:56 TR News; (NEW): Free Software Events and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Free_Software_Events_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Free_Software_Events_and_More.gmi
00:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines Free Software Events and More
00:56 highest_cubist_thrills; :)
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01:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
01:21 DaemonFC; https://github.com/libretro/bsnes-mercury
01:21 TR Bot; - libretro/bsnes-mercury: Fork of bsnes with various performance improvements.
01:21 DaemonFC; It's nice that someone forked this.
01:22 DaemonFC; higan died shortly after byuu re-released it under the MIT license instead of the GPL.
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01:26 DaemonFC; mercury is still using GPL 3.
01:28 DaemonFC; BSD people when the GPL wraps their license and they could use that code under the GPL: This is absolutely unacceptable! You got that code with the permission to use it however you wanted to! How dare you apply copyleft to it!
01:28 DaemonFC; BSD people when Apple, Microsoft, and Sony run off with it and say "It's ours now and you can never have any of our code!": This is fine.
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02:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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02:41 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-290922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-290922.txt
02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, September 29, 2022
02:42 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-290922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-290922.txt
02:42 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, September 29, 2022
02:43 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-290922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-290922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-290922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-290922.txt
02:43 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, September 29, 2022
02:44 TR News; Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-290922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-290922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-290922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-290922.txt
02:44 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, September 29, 2022
02:47 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-09-29.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-09-29.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; thats crazy, man-- have you ever tried kde?
02:47 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Going back to people who reproduce saying people who don't are useless....
02:48 DaemonFC; People who reproduce often abandon their own children. Like, completely, or even abuse them. Violently, sexually, etc.
02:48 DaemonFC; In comparison, some people adopt and take very good care of the kids they adopt, instead of adding to the problem.
02:48 DaemonFC; Those kids that are not being adopted aren't having a very good life, and people would rather reproduce instead.
02:48 DaemonFC; That makes THEM useless.
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02:51 DaemonFC; You know, I mean, I got backhanded more than a few times by my parents when they said "We're your parents. You need to respect us." and I was basically like "I have to respect you because you're my parents? You want mindless respect, you should go get a dog.".
02:51 DaemonFC; Oh it's in the bible, the bible says you have to respect us. It's one of the commandments.
02:52 DaemonFC; "Dad, you hated your parents. They didn't feed you and your dad came home drunk all the time, having lost all his money at the bar, being pickpocketed of anything he had after he passed out. Mom, you were giving your parents all sorts of hell. They caught you smoking. Grandma walked in on you fucking Brian in their camper.".
02:52 DaemonFC; "What do you mean it's in the bible? It was in the bible in the 1960s and 70s too, wasn't it?"
02:53 DaemonFC; They didn't respect their parents. They have kids, suddenly they expect respect from their kids. Who's stupid here?
02:54 DaemonFC; I could walk into this mess and keep the cycle going. End up in some sort of relationship with a woman that's as dysfunctional as all hell, have kids, start drinking, then demanding respect because it's in the bible.
02:54 DaemonFC; But I'm not an idiot.
02:55 DaemonFC; We live next to a Catholic church and there's always a lot of people going in and out of it. Weddings, funerals.
02:55 DaemonFC; I cannot believe that in this day and age, anyone still believes in that shit.
02:56 DaemonFC; They get in the car, they go home, the door's shut and locked and nobody knows what's going on in that house, right?
02:56 DaemonFC; Well, maybe the priest knows some of it.....confession.
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03:02 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 214119 total Total number of pages in capsule: 42797 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 1 months 26 days ago
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03:04 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
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03:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
04:32 AdmFubar; https://www.salon.com/2022/09/29/writers-letter-library-e-book-digital-rights/
04:32 TR Bot; danger to democracy itself": Authors fight back against limiting libraries' digital rights | Salon.com
04:34 AdmFubar; https://deadline.com/2022/09/authors-open-letter-publishers-lawsuit-internet-archive-1235129802/
04:34 TR Bot; Publish Letter Protesting Lawsuit Against Internet Library Deadline
04:35 AdmFubar; https://news.slashdot.org/story/22/09/28/2335257/arm-founder-uk-has-no-chance-in-hell-of-making-its-own-tech-champs?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
04:35 TR Bot; ARM Founder: UK Has 'No Chance In Hell' of Making Its Own Tech Champs - Slashdot
04:36 AdmFubar; DIE LITTLE BASTARDS DIE!!!! https://science.slashdot.org/story/22/09/28/2314247/scientists-create-ai-powered-laser-turret-that-kills-cockroaches
04:36 TR Bot; Scientists Create AI-Powered Laser Turret That Kills Cockroaches - Slashdot
04:50 highest_cubist_thrills; Bisonc++ is a parser generator like bison, but it generates C++ code
04:50 highest_cubist_thrills; unlike bison, it is not a hostage of github
04:51 highest_cubist_thrills; https://fbb-git.gitlab.io/bisoncpp/
04:51 TR Bot; Bisonc++ V 6.04.04
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05:02 AdmFubar; 'cause why would you want to do it for free on your own computer...? https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/29/google-colaboratory-launches-a-pay-as-you-go-option-premium-gpu-access/
05:02 TR Bot; Colaboratory launches a pay-as-you-go option, premium GPU access TechCrunch
05:04 highest_cubist_thrills; Cyberduck is free software. Free software is a matter of the users freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change, and improve the software. If you find this programm useful, please consider making a donation. A donation would not only demonstrate your appreciation of this software but also help to advance development in the future. You receive a registration key and it will help to make Cyberduck even better!
05:04 highest_cubist_thrills; "You receive a registration key"
05:05 highest_cubist_thrills; "As a contributor to Cyberduck, you receive a registration key that disables the donation prompt that is displayed when quitting Cyberduck."
05:05 highest_cubist_thrills; /me sighs
05:06 highest_cubist_thrills; oh they use github anyway
05:07 highest_cubist_thrills; and it needs java. and apache maven.
05:07 highest_cubist_thrills; (also java)
05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
05:39 highest_cubist_thrills; https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/MediaWiki Brion Vibber Lead Software Architect
05:39 TR Bot; MediaWiki - Free Software Directory
05:39 highest_cubist_thrills; #antirms
05:39 highest_cubist_thrills; so many frauds :(
05:39 highest_cubist_thrills; so many liars :(
05:51 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, September 29, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
05:51 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
05:51 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
05:51 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
05:55 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D369.jpg
05:56 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D715.jpg
05:56 TR News; Mixed Feelings About My Current Job gemini://eggler.smol.pub/mixed-feelings-about-my-current-job
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06:11 TR News; COVID-19 Hospital Admissions in September: 2020, 2021, and 2022 Compared (Spoiler: It's Accelerating Like Never Before in Autumn) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/30/covid-19-hospital-admissions-in-september-2020-2021-and-2022-compared-spoiler-its-accelerating-like-never-before-in-autumn/
06:11 TR Bot; Blog Archive COVID-19 Hospital Admissions in September: 2020, 2021, and 2022 Compared (Spoiler: Its Accelerating Like Never Before in Autumn)
06:14 TR News; Canonical goes to Seattle https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-opensearchcon
06:14 TR Bot; a wrap! Canonical attends the very first OpenSearchCon in Seattle | Ubuntu
06:15 TR News; Ubuntu Studio 22.10 Beta Released - Ubuntu Studio https://ubuntustudio.org/2022/09/ubuntu-studio-22-10-beta-released/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntustudio.org/2022/09/ubuntu-studio-22-10-beta-released/
06:15 TR Bot; Ubuntu Studio 22.10 Beta Released Ubuntu Studio
06:16 TR News; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) Final Beta released https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/09/30/ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu-final-beta-released/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/09/30/ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu-final-beta-released/
06:16 TR Bot; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) Final Beta released
06:17 TR News; "Hello and welcome to Episode 482 of Linux in the Ham Shack. In this episode, the hosts take an in-depth look at some common network utilities on the Linux command line to help you configure, monitor and troubleshoot your computers' network connections" https://lhspodcast.info/2022/09/lhs-episode-482-linux-network-utilities-deep-dive-2/
06:18 TR Bot; LHS Episode #482: Linux Network Utilities Deep Dive | Linux in the Ham Shack
06:18 TR News; "I can do BASIC, and maybe even a little sh/bash script, but to become better, I need a tutor to correct my work, and in this short video I have a look at ShellCheck on FreeBSD!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=a9BqDcSsuVI
06:18 TR Bot; Become a FreeBSD Bash Script pro with ShellCheck! - Invidious
06:19 TR News; SCP and SFTP, What Are The Differences? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=M3HhNcl2dMA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/M3HhNcl2dMA
06:19 TR Bot; SCP and SFTP, What Are The Differences? - Invidious
06:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:20 TR News; Ubuntu 22.10 Beta is Out! Here Are Top 7 Features https://news.itsfoss.com/ubuntu-22-10-features/ Source: Yahoo News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.itsfoss.com/ubuntu-22-10-features/
06:20 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.10 Beta is Out! Here Are Top 7 Features
06:25 TR News; (NEW): Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) Beta Released with GNOME 43, Linux Kernel 5.19 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Ubuntu_22_10_Kinetic_Kudu_Beta_Released_with_GNOME_43.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Ubuntu_22_10_Kinetic_Kudu_Beta_Released_with_GNOME_43.gmi
06:25 TR Bot; Tux Machines Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) Beta Released with GNOME 43, Linux Kernel 5.19
06:31 DaemonFC; https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-cop-faces-dismissal-for-having-sex-with-woman-hours-after-responding-to-her-burglary-call
06:31 TR Bot; Chicago cop faces dismissal for having sex with woman hours after responding to her burglary call
06:31 DaemonFC; Chicago police officer rapes crime victim and the best they may be able to do is fire him.
06:32 DaemonFC; Democrat Shithole.
06:32 DaemonFC; I call them the Civilian Office of Police Accessories.
06:32 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.gmi
06:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
06:32 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: wrong channel?
06:33 TR News; (NEW): Shows and Videos: File Transfer Protocols, FreeBSD, and Linux in the Ham Shack http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Shows_and_Videos_File_Transfer_Protocols_FreeBSD_and_Linux_in_t.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Shows_and_Videos_File_Transfer_Protocols_FreeBSD_and_Linux_in_t.gmi
06:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines Shows and Videos: File Transfer Protocols, FreeBSD, and Linux in the Ham Shack
06:33 TR News; Red Hat advances Enterprise Linux with improved Podman containers | VentureBeat https://venturebeat.com/programming-development/red-hat-advances-enterprise-linux-with-improved-podman-containers/ Source: Venture Beat | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//venturebeat.com/programming-development/red-hat-advances-enterprise-linux-with-improved-podman-containers/
06:33 TR Bot; Hat advances Enterprise Linux with improved Podman containers | VentureBeat
06:35 TR News; Phoronix running Intel ads with Intel marketing material. What is this??? https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Arc-A750-Details
06:35 TR Bot; Outlines Arc A750 Graphics Card For $289, More Arc Graphics Details - Phoronix
06:36 TR News; Avoid VMWare if you value security https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/29/vmware-releases-guidance-virtualpita-virtualpie-and-virtualgate
06:36 TR Bot; VMWare Releases Guidance for VirtualPITA, VirtualPIE, and VirtualGATE Malware Targeting vSphere | CISA
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06:58 TR News; Red Hat "accepts" its OWN proposal https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2871
06:58 TR Bot; #2871: Change proposal: KTLS implementation for GnuTLS - fesco - Pagure.io
06:58 TR News; "Acceleration of GnuTLS with software Kernel TLS (KTLS)" https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KTLSSupportForGnuTLS
06:58 TR Bot; Changes/KTLSSupportForGnuTLS - Fedora Project Wiki
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07:06 highest_cubist_thrills; Since 2019, IceCat is maintained only as source code. The last IceCat binary release was version 60.7.0, and is no longer supported. Duix and Parabola have up-to-date IceCat binaries. Please ask your distro to package IceCat.
07:07 highest_cubist_thrills; "Please ask your distro to package IceCat" <- please ask your distro to COMPILE THE SUN
07:07 highest_cubist_thrills; no one wants to compile icecat
07:07 highest_cubist_thrills; because bloat kills freedom
07:08 highest_cubist_thrills; and Parabola <- so you need systemd to get an icecat binary. nice.
07:08 schestowitz[TR]; wow, osi
07:08 schestowitz[TR]; what mfer
07:08 schestowitz[TR]; working on a post
07:08 highest_cubist_thrills; osi=microsoft=ibm
07:08 highest_cubist_thrills; osi, had its arse propped open by phipps (also ibm)
07:09 highest_cubist_thrills; phipps: lets make osi more "open" (to microsoft, an avatar of ibm)
07:10 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
07:10 highest_cubist_thrills; phipps: also signed the antirms letter (largely a project of debibm and ibm)
07:10 highest_cubist_thrills; debian: source of the dfsg, rewritten to become osd
07:11 highest_cubist_thrills; also debian: once headed by perens, author of osd and co-founder of osi
07:11 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/
07:11 TR Bot; Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights
07:11 schestowitz[TR]; take a look, highest_cubist_thrills
07:11 highest_cubist_thrills; debian and ibm destroyed the free software movement
07:11 schestowitz[TR]; still a draft
07:11 highest_cubist_thrills; debian and ibm and osi desroyed the fsf.
07:11 highest_cubist_thrills; still a draft
07:11 highest_cubist_thrills; bian and ibm and osi desroyed the fsf.
07:11 schestowitz[TR]; and later they censor wikipedia
07:12 highest_cubist_thrills; doesstill a draf <- does it mention that ibm and debian destroyed the free software movement?
07:12 schestowitz[TR]; because pointing out their corruption is "homophobia"
07:12 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: maybe a video later onm
07:12 highest_cubist_thrills; later they censor wikipedia <- wikipedia, runs on wikimedia, chief software architect antirms
07:12 schestowitz[TR]; I took 4 screenshots
07:12 schestowitz[TR]; hopefully they illuminate how bad it has become
07:12 highest_cubist_thrills; how bad it has become?
07:12 highest_cubist_thrills; osi has spent two decades destroying free software
07:13 highest_cubist_thrills; you should do a story next on how bad hiv/aids "has become"
07:13 schestowitz[TR]; but wait
07:13 schestowitz[TR]; 5 years ago osi was not as bad
07:13 highest_cubist_thrills; (though at least theyve done a lot to reduce the impact those have. too bad theres no anti-open-source cocktail)
07:13 schestowitz[TR]; and I spoke to OSI people
07:13 schestowitz[TR]; it got a lot worse when they let Microsoft in "offficially"
07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; 5 years ago osi was not as bad <- thats it, no more crackpipe. this is an intervention.
07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; 5 years ago osi was a weapon for destroying free software.
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07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; 4 years ago osi sat on its fat worthless arse while microsoft bought out free software.
07:15 highest_cubist_thrills; 3 years ago osi gleefully watched stallman get hanged by puritanical liars
07:15 highest_cubist_thrills; my opinion of your take on osi is
07:15 highest_cubist_thrills; "ill do ANYTHING to avoid talking about what happened to the fsf"
07:16 highest_cubist_thrills; sure you could talk about both
07:16 highest_cubist_thrills; but instead you downplay the destruction of the fsf and turn up the microscope on osi to 11
07:16 highest_cubist_thrills; the latter itself doesnt bother me. want to run OSIWATCH.co.uk ? thats fine
07:16 highest_cubist_thrills; the context is what i think is peculiar.
07:17 highest_cubist_thrills; ive watched you do this for a year or two
07:17 highest_cubist_thrills; its weird.
07:17 highest_cubist_thrills; hey whatever happened to fsf? OH WELL OSI IS REALLY IN THE TOILET NOW!
07:17 highest_cubist_thrills; osi IS the toilet.
07:17 schestowitz[TR]; me:
07:17 schestowitz[TR]; I was right, Simon.
07:17 schestowitz[TR]; I was right.
07:17 schestowitz[TR]; So have you guys of no sense of shame?
07:17 schestowitz[TR]; The OSI seems to be running for no good purpose anyway.
07:17 schestowitz[TR]; You actively help Microsoft attack Free software and you profit from it.
07:17 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/
07:17 TR Bot; Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights
07:17 schestowitz[TR]; And later you falsely report me to censor any criticism, even perfectly legitimate. Like get me suspended from Twitter under "COVID-19" pretenses.
07:17 schestowitz[TR]; Shame on you, Simon. You could have prevented this.
07:18 highest_cubist_thrills; Shame on you, Simon. You could have prevented this. <- well, ive been saying hes a weasel for years.
07:18 schestowitz[TR]; he wanted to meet me a decade ago
07:18 highest_cubist_thrills; minks are very close to weasels, as far as i know
07:18 schestowitz[TR]; 5 years ago I blasted him for taking smft money
07:18 schestowitz[TR]; and since then we've not been friends
07:19 highest_cubist_thrills; and less than a year ago i mentioned him cancelling rms and you said youre not mad at him
07:19 mjg59_; To be fair, you're amazingly unlikeable
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07:20 schestowitz[TR]; speak to the mirror
07:20 highest_cubist_thrills; its one of those alternate universe episodes again
07:21 highest_cubist_thrills; like when kira finds out shes a romulan or something
07:21 mjg59_; Eh sorry going to a birthday party at the beach tomorrow to hang out with EFF people
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; EFF is corrupoted
07:21 highest_cubist_thrills; to hang out with EFF people <- also traitors
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; run by incompetent sellouts now
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; the original founders ousted
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; maybe you want to celebrated with them how that attack the free softare movement
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; a
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; and promote micosoft
07:22 highest_cubist_thrills; they can splash each other and talk about how rms isnt as good a person as they are
07:22 mjg59_; Well yeah Gilmore did keep putting LSD in people's drinks without their consent
07:22 highest_cubist_thrills; because the eff actually does that
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; neede proof
07:22 highest_cubist_thrills; did keep putting LSD in people's drinks without their consent <- sounds very cia
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; you might be defaming people again
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; lkike you do assange
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; and rms
07:23 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean they literally did that in mkultra
07:23 highest_cubist_thrills; thats part of what it was
07:23 mjg59_; He's an SF counter-culture hippie, consent isn't really a big part of things there
07:23 schestowitz[TR]; need proof
07:23 highest_cubist_thrills; but if gilmore put lsd in my drink id sue his dick and balls off.
07:23 schestowitz[TR]; you defamed many people already
07:23 mjg59_; What proof would you need
07:23 schestowitz[TR]; you aree barking "wolf" again
07:23 schestowitz[TR]; defemes assange
07:23 schestowitz[TR]; defames rms
07:23 highest_cubist_thrills; SF counter-culture hippie, consent isn't really a big part of things there <- i dont buy it tbh
07:23 DaemonFC; "JavaScript is required to view these results or log-in to Phoronix Premium."
07:24 DaemonFC; LOL
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; and now pretends eff ousted a founder because [some unverified accusation]
07:24 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean idk about gilmore but ive never read a book about "df rape culture"
07:24 highest_cubist_thrills; sf
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; bbl
07:24 mjg59_; Oh I haven't heard anything about him violating sexual consent
07:24 highest_cubist_thrills; come to san fran, free drinks for everyone (may be laced with something)
07:24 mjg59_; But yeah I was not sufficiently precise on what I meant there, sorry
07:25 highest_cubist_thrills; Oh I haven't heard anything about him violating sexual consent <- nor have i, its just what i associate spiked drinks with
07:25 mjg59_; Yeah it's more that he thinks it's funny, not that he wants to rape people
07:25 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean maybe he doesnt have sex with them. maybe he just spikes their drinks and then sells them a set of encyclopedias.
07:25 highest_cubist_thrills; it's more that he thinks it's funny <- any source for this at all?
07:26 mjg59_; Nothing I can point at publicly as far as I know, which I appreciate is unconvincing
07:26 mjg59_; But I've heard this from more than one person who got invited to his parties
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe not grounds for kicking him out of an org tbh
07:26 mjg59_; The level of evidence I can provide, definitely not
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; well i dont want to blame the victim, but i probably would avoid one of his parties until i knew moew.
07:26 highest_cubist_thrills; more
07:27 mjg59_; But if people had provided stronger evidence to EFF leadership then that might not be a surprising outcome
07:27 mjg59_; (I have zero insight into the actual reasons he was kicked out, I'm just extrapolating from things I do know)
07:27 highest_cubist_thrills; it is interesting to note that the more (extrajudicial) social justice happens
07:27 highest_cubist_thrills; the more sympathetic to corporate goals these non-profit orgs become
07:28 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont mean this in any small way. i mean in a complete "end of user freedom" sort of way.
07:28 mjg59_; I'm not sure the EFF has obviously become especially corporate friendly
07:28 highest_cubist_thrills; it could be a coincidence...
07:28 highest_cubist_thrills; I'm not sure the EFF has obviously become especially corporate friendly <- it really depends how bullshit roys stories about them are
07:28 mjg59_; I have a bunch of objections to the EFF, but a lot of that is around how they handled the Weev situation
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07:29 highest_cubist_thrills; b/c if that stuff isnt made up they sound like theyve lost interest in fighting for anyones electronic freedom
07:29 mjg59_; I spend time with the people rather than the organisation
07:29 highest_cubist_thrills; the Weev situation <- i didnt even know he was linked to them
07:29 schestowitz[TR]; he is not
07:29 schestowitz[TR]; you are feeding a malicious troll
07:29 schestowitz[TR]; who defames people
07:29 schestowitz[TR]; with false rumours and hearsay
07:29 schestowitz[TR]; and uses our IRC network to constantly defame people
07:30 highest_cubist_thrills; you are feeding <- i am well aware who i am talking to
07:30 schestowitz[TR]; bbl
07:30 mjg59_; EFF defended Weev after the AT&T "hack" thing
07:30 highest_cubist_thrills; and you obviously dont agree with them doing that
07:30 mjg59_; And they were right that the interpretation of the CFAA that he was prosecuted under was bullshit
07:31 mjg59_; But none of their messaging mentioned the fact that he was a nazi piece of shit and they were doing this out of principle and not because they liked him
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; cfaa has been abused so often, if eff didnt fight it might they simply disband?
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; none of their messaging mentioned the fact that he was a nazi piece of shit <- if i was defending someone...
07:31 mjg59_; And he played off that a bunch before becoming webmaster for the Daily Stormer
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; i might not shoot myself in the foot by calling them a nazi.
07:32 mjg59_; While having a swastika literally tattoed to his chest
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; ffs, i didnt know weev ran a famous nazi website
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; /me will fact check eventually ofc
07:32 mjg59_; Oh yeah go for it
07:33 highest_cubist_thrills; /me wonders who runs ibm.com
07:33 mjg59_; I just think the EFF is bad at separating the cause from the individuals and as a result sometimes they end up supporting the individual even if the individual if just actually bad
07:33 mjg59_; But I appreciate that this is a complicated issue when lobbying
07:33 highest_cubist_thrills; I just think the EFF is bad at separating the cause from the individuals <- for weev yes, for rms no
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean if your lawyer calls you a nazi while defending you, you need a new lawyer
07:34 mjg59_; Anyway hope I've clarified that I wasn't defaming anyone here
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; but if the eff doesnt defend people from cfaa abuses, theyve jumped the shark (they have anyway. but maybe they were trying not to there)
07:34 TR News; Vulkan 1.3.230 is out, but outsourced to Microsoft proprietary prison (that OSI is bribed by Microsoft to PROMOTE)
07:35 mjg59_; (obvs feel free to fact check)
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; Anyway hope I've clarified that I wasn't defaming anyone here <- who knows
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; you mentioned things about gilmore that i dont know how to substantiate
07:35 TR News; support -gz=zstd for both linker and assembler https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7723e135334df95597c8c744276b9de5a88214a
07:35 TR Bot; Git - gcc.git/commitdiff
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; thats news to me
07:35 mjg59_; Yeah appreciate that's a tough one
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; some might consider that defaming
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; to me it could be a quibble. not high-priority, just raise an eyebrow
07:36 TR News; Researcher warns of new zero-day in Microsoft Exchange under exploit https://itwire.com/security/researcher-warns-of-new-zero-day-in-microsoft-exchange-under-exploit.html maybe they intentially left it open: http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_and_the_NSA
07:36 TR Bot; - Researcher warns of new zero-day in Microsoft Exchange under exploit
07:36 TR Bot; Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights
07:36 mjg59_; Not really sure how to handle it - it's a thing I know from people I trust, but I don't have direct experience and I certainly don't have a toxicology sample of his water jugs
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; ive been going through the edits to the fsd this year
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; looking for free software projects that arent github based :)
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; it's a thing I know from people I trust, but I don't have direct experience <- what if you trust the wrong people?
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; granted, you could literally ask anyone else the same question.
07:37 mjg59_; Well yeah I've made a lot of poor choices in that case
07:37 highest_cubist_thrills; i put more than zero stock in pocock. with some amount of caution.
07:37 highest_cubist_thrills; i never approved of his doxxing blanc
07:37 mjg59_; Many of the facts that Pocock provides are literally true, it's the narrative constructed around them that's bizarre
07:37 highest_cubist_thrills; i have zero (if that much) respect for her. but i dont approve of the doxxing regardless.
07:38 highest_cubist_thrills; Many of the facts that Pocock provides are literally true, it's the narrative constructed around them that's bizarre <- im more interested in the facts
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07:38 mjg59_; Also his latest post is just wrong but he doesn't know it because the relevant information isn't public
07:38 highest_cubist_thrills; which post? what subject
07:38 highest_cubist_thrills; the suicide?
07:38 mjg59_; Oh, about a kernel developer just vanishing
07:38 highest_cubist_thrills; a kernel developer just vanished?
07:39 mjg59_; (Said developer didn't vanish, but the cited name is incorrect so)
07:39 TR News; (NEW): Nuvoton NuMicro MA35D1 Arm Cortex-A35/M4 microprocessor to power Linux edge IIoT gateways http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Nuvoton_NuMicro_MA35D1_Arm_Cortex_A35_M4_microprocessor_to_powe.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Nuvoton_NuMicro_MA35D1_Arm_Cortex_A35_M4_microprocessor_to_powe.gmi
07:39 highest_cubist_thrills; well its a slow news cycle
07:39 TR Bot; Tux Machines Nuvoton NuMicro MA35D1 Arm Cortex-A35/M4 microprocessor to power Linux edge IIoT gateways
07:39 highest_cubist_thrills; ^ this is tongue in cheek
07:41 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Well yeah Gilmore did keep putting LSD in people's drinks without their consent
07:41 highest_cubist_thrills; drugs-forum.com/threads/famous-people-who-use-used-lsd.104075/
07:41 highest_cubist_thrills; John Gilmore is one of the founders of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Cypherpunks mailing list, and Cygnus Solutions. ... someone spiked everyone's drink with LSD. I had never done that before and around 14 years old, I went to the concert and of course it started to take effect and that became the most psychedelic music that I had ...
07:41 DaemonFC; So did the CIA, which does business with your employers.
07:41 highest_cubist_thrills; "and Cygnus Solutions. ... someone spiked everyone's drink with LSD."
07:41 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> To be fair, you're amazingly unlikeable
07:41 DaemonFC; Said the pot, to the kettle.
07:41 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know if thats some markov "aggregator"
07:41 DaemonFC; <highest_cubist_thrills> Since 2019, IceCat is maintained only as source code. The last IceCat binary release was version 60.7.0, and is no longer supported. Duix and Parabola have up-to-date IceCat binaries. Please ask your distro to package IceCat.
07:42 DaemonFC; <highest_cubist_thrills> "Please ask your distro to package IceCat" <- please ask your distro to COMPILE THE SUN
07:42 DaemonFC; <highest_cubist_thrills> no one wants to compile icecat
07:42 DaemonFC; Fedora has IceCat RPMs.
07:42 DaemonFC; I have it installed.
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07:42 DaemonFC; There's really no reason for GNU to do a lousy tarball like Mozilla where it's one size fits all and bundles a million things your distribution should be servicing.
07:42 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Oh, I'm polarising rather than unlikeable
07:43 DaemonFC; You're likable to a bunch of pedophiles at Reddit and Microsoft.
07:43 DaemonFC; Congratulations.
07:43 mjg59_; Not aware of anyone I choose to spend time with being a paedophile
07:43 DaemonFC; Oh, did I say pedo? I meant pedos, rapists, stranglers, and people who prey on Immigrants.
07:43 mjg59_; Same to all of the above
07:44 DaemonFC; I apologize if there was any confusion.
07:44 schestowitz[TR]; he is only here toi troll and time-0waste
07:44 schestowitz[TR]; but worse, he is defaming people here
07:44 schestowitz[TR]; and we don't condone defamation
07:44 mjg59_; Who am I defaming?
07:44 schestowitz[TR]; how would he feel is H said I heard mjg did inn fact anally rape people in toilet booth?
07:44 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> and we don't condone defamatio <- well you did it to me
07:45 schestowitz[TR]; and put heroin in thrie beers?
07:45 schestowitz[TR]; I can say it
07:45 schestowitz[TR]; once
07:45 schestowitz[TR]; every day
07:45 schestowitz[TR]; and see how he likes itr
07:45 schestowitz[TR]; I heard... some lies
07:45 mjg59_; I'd ask you who you heard it from
07:45 mjg59_; And then you could decide whether to tell the truth or to lie
07:45 DaemonFC; Alex Graveley... The strangler and rapist who made a GPL violation automation tool.
07:46 highest_cubist_thrills; And then you could decide whether to tell the truth or to lie <- i doubt hes capable of making that decision of his own will
07:46 DaemonFC; Among others.
07:46 DaemonFC; You were defending him iirc.
07:46 DaemonFC; The GPL violation automation tool.
07:46 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean theoretically, sure. doubt, not "im absolutely certain"
07:47 mjg59_; My position is that tooling that reduces the enforceability of copyright law is potentially good for free software and society as a whole
07:47 highest_cubist_thrills; including co-pilot?
07:47 highest_cubist_thrills; thats also the position in redas essay on it.
07:47 DaemonFC; It's literally designed to encourage you to contaminate your product with stolen code. Basically.
07:47 mjg59_; The specific implementation of copilot is one that's awkward for free software, given it's a proprietary tool
07:47 schestowitz[TR]; and help Microsoft profit from it
07:47 DaemonFC; Fortunately, Microsoft built it and it also came to light that it suggested you put a lot of bugs in your program.
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; profit from encouraging people tol break the law
07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; but its terribly naive. we arent talking about the "reducing the enforceability" of copyright for everyone
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; and hurt the main rivals of Miceosoft
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, i'm out
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; back to links
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; the trolling went too far today
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07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; we are talking about weakening it for one side while it stays the same (or becomes more enforceable) for big corporations
07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; thats how it always is
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; and I got reported of defamation from people whom mjg59_ and ilk defame here
07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; and thats why reda is an IDIOT about copyright.
07:48 DaemonFC; I'm not against copyright. Free Software depends on copyright.
07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; and youre a sucker. at best.
07:48 mjg59_; But having a large company assert that funnelling code through an ML model means the output isn't a derivative would set precedent that free software could make use of
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; the trolling went too far today <- when?
07:49 DaemonFC; Without copyrights, there's no way to enforce that it remains Free, and everything is BSD-licensed, except the proprietary stuff. Where there's no source code at all.
07:49 DaemonFC; So, mjg59_...
07:49 DaemonFC; That's what you want?
07:49 mjg59_; Copyleft relies on copyright, but free software benefits more from copyright ceasing to exist
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; would set precedent that free software could make use of <- no it cant, because it is dead.
07:49 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Copyleft relies on copyright, but free software benefits more from copyright ceasing to exist
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; free software benefits more from copyright ceasing to exist <- yes it would IMO, but i just addressed that when i said "we are talking about weakening it for one side while it stays the same (or becomes more enforceable) for big corporations"
07:49 DaemonFC; On the hopes that you can reverse engineer it? Does the DMCA still apply?
07:50 highest_cubist_thrills; which is what makes redas/your position on this so naive (assuming good faith, its naive)
07:50 highest_cubist_thrills; for rhetorical purposes i have no reason not to assume good faith on this.
07:50 DaemonFC; If the DMCA still applies, they can still put you in prison for trying to figure out how proprietary software works if they can claim that there was DRM in it.
07:50 mjg59_; Oh yeah there are ways it could be one-sided
07:50 highest_cubist_thrills; i think its a given.
07:50 mjg59_; But proprietary code isn't actually hard to find
07:50 highest_cubist_thrills; but thats just my take on it.
07:51 mjg59_; nvidia's source code was avilable for years, but nobody would look at it to improve free software because there was no way to do so without contaminating the code
07:51 highest_cubist_thrills; theres never going to be an independent essay on the number of accurate predictions ive made about such things so
07:51 DaemonFC; Copyright ending would be a disaster. But, it would be best to repeal all of those extensions that Congress did after the 1970s, along with the DMCA.
07:51 highest_cubist_thrills; im just going to put it down to personal opinion.
07:51 highest_cubist_thrills; there was no way to do so without contaminating the code <- nvidia is useless that way.
07:51 highest_cubist_thrills; but ml can do it, youre implying?
07:51 DaemonFC; It'll never happen. The government is too corrupt.
07:52 DaemonFC; We're far more likely to get forever minus one day.
07:52 mjg59_; Precedent could be set that would allow ml to turn code into knowledge, which is then an interesting legal question
07:52 highest_cubist_thrills; theoretically, thats interesting. in practice, its probably not because "weakening it for one side while it stays the same (or becomes more enforceable) for big corporations"
07:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean thats how "aye pee" works in real life.
07:52 mjg59_; I think the most valuable thing right now would be to train a model on everything on github, including stuff under proprietary licenses
07:52 highest_cubist_thrills; so by all means, abolish copyright. but REALLY abolish it.
07:53 mjg59_; And see who wants to fight that
07:53 highest_cubist_thrills; also stallmans take on abolishing copyright is useless in the real world
07:53 highest_cubist_thrills; in theory its spot on
07:53 mjg59_; It'd cost a bunch, but at a level that could be crowdfunded
07:54 highest_cubist_thrills; in practice its spot on in a world that exists hypothetically
07:54 DaemonFC; Most of Stallman's political and economic ideas are out there and unworkable.
07:54 highest_cubist_thrills; before we made it to that world, we would be in one that doesnt have copyright.
07:54 highest_cubist_thrills; so, useless.
07:54 mjg59_; But going back to the original point - is Copilot an attack on free software? I think the answer is "yes" to the extent that Copilot is proprietary software, and all proprietary software is an attack against free software
07:54 DaemonFC; But he should have a right to express those without the harassment campaign mjg59_ promotes on Microsoft github.
07:55 highest_cubist_thrills; ill even make a metaphor for stallmans take on copyright that i think is pretty spot on.
07:55 highest_cubist_thrills; suppose for the sake of argument, the world wants to talk about abolishing nuclear arms
07:55 mjg59_; But I think we don't win the argument about ideas belonging to everyone rather than to individuals or corporations by arguing that copyright law should be stricter
07:55 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is basically pulling a Kiwi Farms-lite on RMS and others.
07:55 highest_cubist_thrills; and stallman says
07:56 highest_cubist_thrills; "we dont need to abolish nukes. just rebuild them so they only have the yield of one stick of dynamite".
07:56 highest_cubist_thrills; well thats brilliant, richard.
07:56 highest_cubist_thrills; a perfect solution imo.
07:56 highest_cubist_thrills; now some people think hes this silly about most things. im not one of those people.
07:56 highest_cubist_thrills; but his take on copyright is silly.
07:56 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> But I think we don't win the argument about ideas belonging to everyone rather than to individuals or corporations by arguing that copyright law should be stricter
07:57 mjg59_; I really appreciate that I could probably get Ryan to make any argument at all by simply saying the opposite
07:57 DaemonFC; So if something like Copilot analyzed the Windows "Shared Source" version (the one that some people are allowed to look at, but not compile or share or modify) and then it suggested things to people who do Wine....
07:57 highest_cubist_thrills; "you could take the existing warheads and make them smaller, then put them in smaller" no, you see thats way more bullshit that is necessary or will ever happen in real life.
07:57 DaemonFC; You say that wouldn't threaten Wine at all?
07:58 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> I really appreciate that I could probably get Ryan to make any argument at all by simply saying the opposite
07:58 DaemonFC; In regards to what?
07:58 DaemonFC; A tool designed to get Free Software developers sued or thrown in prison?
07:58 DaemonFC; Or about copyright being too harsh for anyone to want to live under, and that's why there's mass rejection and piracy?
07:59 mjg59_; There's be a pretty clear estoppel argument in the case you're suggesting
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.73 k/sec., IPFS upstream 171.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 132.00
07:59 DaemonFC; Laws that are widely disobeyed are often laws that are corrupt and terrible.
08:00 DaemonFC; They can buy copyright laws, but they can't make stripping DRM and sharing morally wrong under this regime that they've created.
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08:00 highest_cubist_thrills; im no expert on estoppel, but i know vaguely what it means and that it seems to come up every time the argument starts to lean on wildcards posing as "this is how it actually works"
08:01 highest_cubist_thrills; there are undetermined precidents afaik centred around estoppel
08:01 highest_cubist_thrills; which people in copyright treat as givens when theyre not
08:01 mjg59_; Microsoft building a model that suggests code to you and then later claiming that actually they owned that? Massively unlikely to work
08:02 mjg59_; There's a clear argument that Microsoft were implicitly giving you permission to use what their model fed you, to the extent they could
08:02 mjg59_; And maybe that argument wouldn't fly for code that's owned by people who aren't Microsoft
08:02 mjg59_; But Microsoft have no fucking argument at all there
08:02 mjg59_; (I'm not a lawyer, consult one if necessary, etc)
08:02 highest_cubist_thrills; the main complaint is handing over copylefted code to non-copylefted projects
08:03 mjg59_; Yeah obviously it works both ways
08:03 highest_cubist_thrills; copyleftlaundering
08:03 mjg59_; But I don't think it's a threat to free software in the way Ryan's suggesting
08:03 mjg59_; Does it let ideas embodied in copyleft code enter proprietary codebases without triggering copyleft clauses? Perhaps.
08:04 highest_cubist_thrills; i wonder if its possible to be a threat to a dead movement
08:04 highest_cubist_thrills; but
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08:04 mjg59_; But all the proprietary vendors I know of have banned use of Copilot because they don't want to risk that
08:04 highest_cubist_thrills; any reasonable discussion of copilot will assume (factually or otherwise) that free software is still a thing
08:04 TR News; Reminder That Microsofts GitHub Copilot is Run by a Criminal With Many Female Victims | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/criminal-behind-github-copilot/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/criminal-behind-github-copilot/
08:04 TR Bot; Reminder That Microsofts GitHub Copilot is Run by a Criminal With Many Female Victims | Techrights
08:05 mjg59_; Didn't you also talk about him having been fired?
08:05 mjg59_; Not sure how he's both fired and running it
08:05 highest_cubist_thrills; bill gates stepped down as ceo and still ran microsoft
08:05 highest_cubist_thrills; through proxies-- so thats one way its possible.
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; but highly unlikely for most former [any position really]
08:06 mjg59_; Github has a bunch of pathological management issues but I don't think having people report to someone who no longer works there is one of them
08:07 highest_cubist_thrills; itd be interesting to know any example of this other than bill gates
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08:08 mjg59_; Huh I guess phanes got bored and fucked off
08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; lets see
08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; /me goes to his website
08:09 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe he got bored of chat
08:10 highest_cubist_thrills; i think his database is still growing
08:10 highest_cubist_thrills; but im not sure it has grown in 2 weeks or not
08:11 highest_cubist_thrills; if we took absence of evidence as evidence of absence, you havent defamed anyone in a whole month
08:12 highest_cubist_thrills; not that i take his website as gospel
08:12 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont even take gospel as gospel
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08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; ive never seen a more meticulous set of notes though
08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; he must use m-x butterfly
08:15 TR News; 'UnstableFusion' Makes AI Art Easy on Windows, Mac, and Linux https://www.howtogeek.com/836830/unstablefusion-makes-ai-art-easy-on-windows-mac-and-linux/ Source: HowTo Geek | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.howtogeek.com/836830/unstablefusion-makes-ai-art-easy-on-windows-mac-and-linux/
08:15 TR Bot; UnstableFusion Makes AI Art Easy on Windows, Mac, and Linux
08:15 mjg59_; He got *super* upset when I pointed out the actual legal definition of defamation and he's been a touch obsessive since then
08:16 highest_cubist_thrills; im going to guess your take on it is self-serving
08:16 highest_cubist_thrills; but, i dont pretend to understand him either
08:16 mjg59_; I mean to be fair it is in the sense that I don't think I've met that definition at any point, but also I have a bunch of personal experience
08:17 highest_cubist_thrills; I don't think I've met that definition at any point <- i dont pretend to know the legal definition of it myself
08:17 highest_cubist_thrills; i think youve ruined people, and some did not deserve it.
08:17 highest_cubist_thrills; but, thats a flowery way of putting it too
08:17 highest_cubist_thrills; you had LOTS of help.
08:18 highest_cubist_thrills; it would be unscientific to give you all the credit
08:18 highest_cubist_thrills; not to mention you might enjoy it
08:19 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think even phanes intends to give you all the credit
08:19 highest_cubist_thrills; youre just his favourite
08:19 highest_cubist_thrills; he and roy have that in common
08:19 mjg59_; Oh yeah he's got a whole conspiracy theory thing going on here
08:19 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe they have good reason. idk, its not that i dont see it-- its just that
08:19 highest_cubist_thrills; im actually just as pedantic and (only sometimes) detail oriented as phanes
08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
08:20 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont have the patience or the ambition to do exactly what hes doing-- or to do what hes doing the way hes doing it.
08:20 mjg59_; I genuinely appreciate the way in which you criticise me
08:20 highest_cubist_thrills; you shouldnt
08:20 mjg59_; I don't agree with most of what you say but it's actually from a coherent position
08:21 mjg59_; You're not just making shit up
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; no, i have no interest in making shit up
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; i want to understand EXACTLY what happened.
08:21 mjg59_; And it does make me reappraise what I've been saying
08:21 mjg59_; Because I trust that objections you make to shit I say are well founded
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; making shit up would be like throwing breadcrumbs around while trying to follow trails of them.
08:22 mjg59_; Criticism from Roy and Ryan is easy to discard because it's obviously not based on reality
08:22 highest_cubist_thrills; are well founded <- i mean things have to start somewhere
08:22 highest_cubist_thrills; id say there are degrees of founded.
08:22 highest_cubist_thrills; but then if there are degrees of founded, thats pretty easy not to bullshit about.
08:22 highest_cubist_thrills; you simply dont pretend that a hint is the same thing as a fact.
08:22 mjg59_; Ha actually just realised something
08:22 mjg59_; Which is ironic, given Roy's position on therapy
08:22 highest_cubist_thrills; roy doesnt realise things.
08:23 mjg59_; The best therapist is one who challenges you on your beliefs, and doesn't just let you come up with a nice story that explains everything and where you turn out to be the hero
08:23 TR News; "I posted a couple of days ago, adding a "Fix broken video" menu entry to Limine boot-loader" https://bkhome.org/news/202209/limine-nested-menu.html
08:23 TR Bot; Limine nested menu
08:23 mjg59_; And there's an extent to which being here is that for me
08:23 highest_cubist_thrills; and doesn't just let you come up with a nice story that explains everything <- i mean, the latter would be like helping an alcoholic by taking them on a pub crawl.
08:23 TR News; gfldex: Rabbitholeing https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2022/09/29/rabbitholeing/
08:23 TR Bot; Rabbitholeing | Playing Perl 6b6xA Raku
08:24 highest_cubist_thrills; And there's an extent to which being here is that for me <- i wouldnt recommend it
08:24 mjg59_; I genuinely believe that the choices I make are the ones that are the best for free software
08:24 TR News; "I recently worked on a neat hack called puppet-package-check. It is designed to warn about manually installed packages, to make sure "everything is in Puppet". But it turns out it can (probably?) dramatically increase the bootstrap time of Puppet bootstrap when it needs to install a large number of packages." https://anarc.at/blog/2022-09-29-optimizing-puppet-bootstrap/
08:24 TR Bot; Detecting manual (and optimizing large) package installs in Puppet - anarcat
08:24 mjg59_; But if I'm never exposed to criticism of those choices, how do I know?
08:25 mjg59_; I need people to tell me that I'm fucking up
08:25 highest_cubist_thrills; what i dont know is how anyone can come to the conclusion that free software is better off
08:25 mjg59_; And then I need to spend time analysing what they said
08:25 highest_cubist_thrills; its drifting into the abyss like the space station in "the orion conspiracy"
08:26 highest_cubist_thrills; users clearly have less control than they did before
08:26 highest_cubist_thrills; and are routinely told basically "shut up and fork" whenever they complain
08:26 highest_cubist_thrills; or "its not like that, noob"
08:27 highest_cubist_thrills; meanwhile everything is becoming harder to fork, not easier.
08:27 TR News; "Were no closer now to ending the pandemic than we were 12 months ago." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/30/covid-19-hospital-admissions-in-september-2020-2021-and-2022-compared-spoiler-its-accelerating-like-never-before-in-autumn/
08:27 TR Bot; Blog Archive COVID-19 Hospital Admissions in September: 2020, 2021, and 2022 Compared (Spoiler: Its Accelerating Like Never Before in Autumn)
08:27 highest_cubist_thrills; and you can even see forks struggling and dying rather than succeeding
08:27 highest_cubist_thrills; this is freedom 3 in the throes of death.
08:27 highest_cubist_thrills; the orgs are a farce, whether or not you take roys take seriously.
08:28 highest_cubist_thrills; everything in free software is run by its sworn enemy
08:28 TR News; This is why the OSI has done all those AI talks and podcasts lately; they cover up Microsofts attacks on Open Source (encouraging plagiarism) and they take money to do this (this is where the majority of the OSI's money goes) http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/
08:28 TR Bot; Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights
08:28 highest_cubist_thrills; i can even quote kuhn to support that.
08:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and i think hes a traitor.
08:28 TR News; The person who started and led Microsofts GitHub Copilot is basically a criminal who attacks his own partners (at least 3 that we know of); why is the Open Source Initiative helping him? Because Microsoft pays for it. http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/criminal-behind-github-copilot/
08:28 TR Bot; Reminder That Microsofts GitHub Copilot is Run by a Criminal With Many Female Victims | Techrights
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; but his take on microsoft, at least in terms of rhetoric, should be a red flag that people are obviously ignoring.
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08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; the gnu project doesnt have a leader other than duix.
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf gained an anti-whistleblower policy this year. always a sign of progress.
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; you know whistleblowers are nothing but trouble.
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; blame the whistleblowers, indeed.
08:30 highest_cubist_thrills; i understand that the actual players that controlled computing when stallman started the gnu project were different ones
08:30 highest_cubist_thrills; but the players that control computing NOW are ibm and microsoft
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; and they were the same people that were controlling MY computing when i migrated TO free software
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; and theyve taken over the fsf and gnu. and most free software outside of those.
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; so imo all evidence points to the movements collapse.
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; but the narratives-- oh, those vary wildly.
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; unsupported by facts, but entirely diverse.
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; i did not spend years migrating from ibm and microsoft
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; to free software, just to have my computing controlled by ibm and microsoft
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; to have gnome developers gloat that i have no choice but to use their shit.
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; to have systemd developers laughing at people complaining that they dont want systemd
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; like anyone who doesnt want to kiss lennarts arse is some kind of simpleton.
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; whats left of free software is run by sheer narcissists
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; and there is no sign of it improving any year soon.
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; someday, perhaps
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; "real soon now"
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe around the time copyright gets abolished.
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; of course before copyright (and im not saying id miss it) applied to software
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; they just used ndas instead.
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; abolish corporations and software might be free.
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; not automatically. just it might have a chance then.
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; of course that means abolishing "non-profit" shell orgs like the new fsf too
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean if you abolish corporations-- the fsf is a corporation.
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; but its an empty shell at this point anyway
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; its getting sucked dry by ibm
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; money isnt their problem
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; they abandoned the mission
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; so yeah
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; if you did whats best for free software
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; free software has a funny way of showing it
08:38 TR News; "Its time to get me up on speed with modern CSS. Theres so much new in CSS that I know too little about." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/100daysof-day4/ | Source: Manuel Matuzovic
08:38 TR Bot; Day 4: the min() function - Manuel Matuzovi
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; also no one here has YOUR best interests as their motivations
08:38 TR News; "It's funny, because it's actually difficult to put into words. I have dealt with different filesystems over the past 35+ years" https://unixsheikh.com/articles/drive-failure-and-io-errors-zfs-to-the-rescue.html | Source: Unix Sheikh
08:38 TR Bot; Drive failure and IO errors? ZFS to the rescue!
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; so coming here for therapy is a terrible idea
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; but its your life
08:39 TR News; Games: "I've started fiddling with it, and I really like it. I'm incrementally getting somewhere." https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-09-29-a-mod-for-openttd.html | Source: Bjrn Wrmedal
08:39 TR Bot; A Mod For OpenTTD - Bjrn Wrmedal
08:39 TR News; Games: "Get back in time to the glory years of gaming with the brand new Pico W microcontroller board." https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/pico-w-retro-gaming-special-in-the-magpi-magazine-issue-122 | Source: Raspberry Pi
↺ https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/pico-w-retro-gaming-special-in-the-magpi-magazine-issue-122
08:39 TR Bot; Pico W retro gaming special in The MagPi magazine issue #122 The MagPi magazine
08:39 mjg59_; Only exposing myself to people who agree with me definitely isn't going to result in optimal outcomes
08:40 TR News; "GOG are celebrating 14 years of existing with a big sale on lots of games, plus you can get a free copy of Master of Magic Classic." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/gog-celebrates-14-years-with-big-sale-game-giveaway-and-skyrim-release/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
08:40 TR Bot; celebrates 14 years with big sale, game giveaway and Skyrim release | GamingOnLinux
08:40 TR News; "Want another way to transfer files from a PC (Linux / Windows) over to a Steam Deck? Here's how to do it using the FileZilla FTP application." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/transferring-files-from-pc-to-steam-deck-with-ftp/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
08:40 TR Bot; files from PC to Steam Deck with FileZilla FTP | GamingOnLinux
08:40 TR News; "Arriving with Native Linux support, the new mysterious point and click adventure game The Excavation of Hob's Barrow from Cloak and Dagger Games / Wadjet Eye Games is out now." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/point-and-click-mystery-adventure-the-excavation-of-hobs-barrow-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
08:40 TR Bot; and click mystery adventure The Excavation of Hob's Barrow is out now | GamingOnLinux
08:41 TR News; Before Stadia there was OUYA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouya
08:41 TR Bot; Ouya - Wikipedia
08:41 TR News; "Continuing to expand to some gorgeous locations to race through, the free Indonesia update for art of rally is out now." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/the-free-indonesia-update-for-art-of-rally-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
08:41 TR Bot; free Indonesia update for art of rally is out now | GamingOnLinux
08:41 TR News; "Inspired by classic hack and slashers like Diablo and turn-based RPGs like Tales of Maj'Eyal or Stoneshard" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/open-world-turn-based-rpg-of-blades-a-tails-arrives-october-19th/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
08:41 TR Bot; turn-based RPG 'Of Blades & Tails' arrives October 19th | GamingOnLinux
08:42 TR News; "Looks like dbrand are not having a great time with Project Killswitch, their bundle of accessories as they had to pull it from sale shortly after going up for reservations due to it causing problems." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/project-killswitch-sales-suspended-as-the-kickstand-messed-with-the-steam-deck-fan/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
08:42 TR Bot; Killswitch sales suspended as the kickstand messed with the Steam Deck fan | GamingOnLinux
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; i think its funny that roy thinks the trolling went too far today
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; i must have missed it
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; what was so special about today?
08:43 TR News; "After three years, Google Stadia is exiting the arena." https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/google-stadia-shutting-down-1235388235/ | Source: Variety
08:43 TR Bot; to Shut Down Stadia Games Streaming Service - Variety
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; the biggest "event" i noticed was the comment about gilmore
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; which for all i know is true.
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; im not assuming it is, but im not assuming its not.
08:44 TR News; "How do you approach tweaking KDE Plasmas theme to suit your taste?" https://itsfoss.com/properly-theme-kde-plasma/ | Source: Its FOSS
08:44 TR Bot; How to Properly Theme KDE Plasma [An in-depth Guide]
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; the "trolling" went much farther days ago
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; but this is just from my vantage. its very possible (however likely or not) that i missed something.
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; i should just say its possible, because "very" is exactly what i was doubting
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; its certainly possible
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; my guess though, is he simply wanted to emphasise the point more than yesterday or the day before
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; so today its Truly Egregious
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; im cynical, i think 90+% of the movement is trolling at this point
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08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; i might be right, but it definitely sounds cynical
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; only whenever i try (very hard) to look for things to be hopeful about
08:48 highest_cubist_thrills; i continue to find worse news
08:48 highest_cubist_thrills; compare it to the state of the united states vs the constitution
08:49 mjg59_; Oh yeah today I spoke about someone else
08:49 highest_cubist_thrills; compare it to the state of the earth itself vs media coverage
08:49 highest_cubist_thrills; today I spoke about someone else <- besides gilmore?
08:49 mjg59_; I mean Gilmore rather than anyone I've talked about before
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08:49 mjg59_; New Badness
08:50 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
08:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
08:50 TR News; (NEW): Games: art of rally, 'Of Blades & Tails', and Much More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Games_art_of_rally_Of_Blades_Tails_and_Much_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Games_art_of_rally_Of_Blades_Tails_and_Much_More.gmi
08:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: art of rally, 'Of Blades & Tails', and Much More
08:50 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah, if i was into emailing phanes i would totally report it
08:50 TR News; [Old] "This radio-controlled submarine is smart enough to maintain a steady depth and keep a set distance from the bottom of the body of water its dropped in." https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/we-all-live-in-a-lego-submarine/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
08:50 TR Bot; We all live in a LEGO submarine - Raspberry Pi
08:51 highest_cubist_thrills; however im not informing his research, im like a bittorrent leech as far as that goes
08:51 TR News; "This system will only work on specific bicycles that have suspension forks that the user can adjust with a knob." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/29/add-ml-controlled-smart-suspension-adjustment-to-your-bicycle/ | Source: Arduino
08:51 TR Bot; Add ML-controlled smart suspension adjustment to your bicycle | Arduino Blog
08:51 highest_cubist_thrills; if he paid attention and had a lax policy he might get something from me here
08:51 highest_cubist_thrills; but his policy is by-email-only
08:51 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont email him
08:51 TR News; "Every Thursday is #3dthursday here at Adafruit!" https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/09/29/stackable-storage-caddies-3dthursday-3dprinting/ | Source: Adafruit
08:51 TR Bot; Stackable Storage Caddies #3DThursday #3DPrinting Adafruit Industries Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers!
08:51 TR News; "There are two techniques for timing an athlete's 40-yard dash; hand timing, and fully automated electronic timing." https://www.sparkfun.com/news/5460 | Source: SparkFun Electronics
08:51 TR Bot; Race! Using ESP32 Wireless Timing - News - SparkFun Electronics
08:51 highest_cubist_thrills; i came back and he was gone, im mildly curious where he is
08:51 highest_cubist_thrills; but i figure he will be back eventually
08:52 highest_cubist_thrills; im not even following the details because
08:52 highest_cubist_thrills; its wayyyy too much of a rabbit hole for me
08:52 TR News; "This tutorial will help you to create mail merge with LibreOffice explained step by step with pictures and examples" https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/09/libreoffice-writer-mail-merge-made-easy.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz
08:52 TR Bot; LibreOffice Writer: Mail Merge Made Easy
08:52 highest_cubist_thrills; same with pocock
08:53 TR News; "In 2021, Ive rediscovered the full Usenet message after a search effort in multiple Usenet archives." https://niconiconi.neocities.org/posts/ken-thompson-really-did-launch-his-trusting-trust-trojan-attack-in-real-life/ |
08:53 TR Bot; Ken Thompson Really Did Launch His "Trusting Trust" Trojan Attack in Real Life
08:53 TR News; "Yes, its almost October, which means its time for the HacktoberFest again." https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/09/26/2022-39-upcoming-hacking/ | Source: Rakulang
08:53 TR Bot; 2022.39 Upcoming Hacking Rakudo Weekly News
08:53 highest_cubist_thrills; what theyre doing is interesting but forced to choose between following it closely and feeling at least vaguely sane
08:53 highest_cubist_thrills; id choose the latter
08:54 TR News; Becoming a father shrinks your cerebrum https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2022/09/28/becoming-a-father-shrinks-your-cerebrum | Source: The Economist
08:54 TR Bot; a father shrinks your cerebrum | The Economist
08:54 highest_cubist_thrills; theres no rush-- the world will still be ending tomorrow, just like it was three years ago.
08:54 TR News; "On Sept. 20, YouTube, led by Susan Wojcicki, unveiled a series of creator-driven announcements" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/social-media-giants-top-creators-terms-of-service-1235228680/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
08:54 TR Bot; YouTube, Twitch Revenue Share Changes: Creators Terms of Service Have Changed The Hollywood Reporter
08:55 TR News; "A cloud region usually is based around a cluster of data centres." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/cloud-computing/google-to-build-its-first-cloud-region-in-greece/94532766 | Source: India Times
08:55 TR Bot; Google to build its first cloud region in Greece, CIO News, ET CIO
08:55 TR News; "Beaumont pointed to a post by a Vietnamese source named GTSC Cyber Security Company that said details of the vulnerability" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/researcher-warns-of-new-zero-day-in-microsoft-exchange-under-exploit.html | Source: IT Wire
08:55 TR Bot; - Researcher warns of new zero-day in Microsoft Exchange under exploit
08:55 TR News; "Sophos Firewall v19.0 MR1 (19.0.1) and older are potentially vulnerable to the security bug in the User Portal and Webadmin of Sophos Firewall." https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/web-security-flaw-in-sophos-firewall-patched | Source: Port Swigger
08:55 TR Bot; Web security flaw in Sophos Firewall patched | The Daily Swig
08:56 highest_cubist_thrills; to to effect change would require a movement
08:56 highest_cubist_thrills; there isnt one, and numerous efforts to start or salvage one already exist/ed
08:57 highest_cubist_thrills; there isnt one <- or at least, there is no evidence of one
08:57 TR News; "A spokesperson there told CyberScoop in an emailed statement that its National Intelligence Manager for the Air Domain" https://www.cyberscoop.com/odni-ufo-new-seal-in-error/ | Source: Scoop News Group
08:57 TR Bot; with the UFO on a U.S. intelligence agency seal? - CyberScoop
08:57 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean we might be surrounded by dead alien spirits like l ron hubbard says
08:57 highest_cubist_thrills; but theres no evidence to support that
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08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.26 k/sec., IPFS upstream 143.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 118.96
08:59 TR News; "Global Witness (GW) conducted a worldwide analysis that found that 200 land and environmental defenders were murdered in 2021." https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-was-the-deadliest-country-for-environmental-activists-in-2021/ | Source: Mexico News Daily
08:59 TR Bot; Mexico was deadliest country for environmental activists in 2021
09:00 TR News; "Thursday's research, which is not peer-reviewed, compared peak rainfall rates during the real storm to about 20 different computer scenarios of a model with Hurricane Ian's characteristics" https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/study-finds-climate-change-added-10-ians-rainfall-90741965 | Source: ABC
09:00 TR Bot; Study finds that climate change added 10% to Ian's rainfall - ABC News
09:00 highest_cubist_thrills; leah talks a good game then disappears for a year (in terms of whatever they talk about)
09:00 highest_cubist_thrills; i can hope that still works out
09:00 TR News; "Between 2016 and 2021, the average climate damages of each bitcoin mined stood at 35% of its market value" https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/09/29/bitcoins-environmental-damage-is-on-par-with-beef-natural-gas-and-oil-study-suggests/ | Source: Forbes
09:00 TR Bot; Bitcoins Environmental Damage Is On Par With Beef, Natural Gas And Oil, Study Suggests
09:01 TR News; "Between 0.4% and 0.8% of domestic emissions, respectively, though the estimates are uncertain, the report said" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/08/crypto-mining-could-hinder-battle-against-climate-change-white-house.html | Source: CNBC
09:01 TR Bot; Crypto mining could hinder battle against climate change: White House
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> leah talks a good game then disappears for a year (in terms of whatever they talk about)
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; or for a few months visible
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; then vanish for years
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; ime
09:01 highest_cubist_thrills; leah is trying to do something nearly impossible so
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
09:01 highest_cubist_thrills; if it doesnt happen, i dont blame them
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; but the stunts for attention are also unhelpful
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; like boycott gnu
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; than pro-rms
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; soon anti-rms
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; get attention to the business
09:02 highest_cubist_thrills; your painting that as a stunt for attention is unfair
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; but not consistent at all!
09:02 highest_cubist_thrills; they said why that happened
09:02 highest_cubist_thrills; and your take goes against any facts we have.
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; i know things you do not
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; about her
09:02 highest_cubist_thrills; thats possible
09:02 highest_cubist_thrills; unlikely. but possible.
09:03 TR News; Apple found a way to distract from PLUNGING sales? https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/brand-solution/apples-tech-supply-chain-shows-difficulty-of-dumping-china/94548586 | Source: India Times
09:03 TR Bot; Apple Inc | Supply Chain: Apples tech supply chain shows difficulty of dumping China, CIO News, ET CIO
09:03 highest_cubist_thrills; at any rate few have promoted ideas that would actually help free software.
09:03 highest_cubist_thrills; and leah has.
09:03 highest_cubist_thrills; so props for that.
09:03 TR News; America Is an Oligarchy https://www.thenation.com/article/society/cbo-american-wealth-inequality/ | Source: The Nation
09:03 TR Bot; Its Official: America Is an Oligarchy | The Nation
09:04 TR News; Man fined for insulting asylum seekers on social media https://yle.fi/news/3-12644175 | Source: YLE
09:04 TR Bot; Man fined for insulting asylum seekers on social media | News | Yle Uutiset
09:04 starstreak; linucks
09:04 highest_cubist_thrills; :)
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09:05 TR News; "Three years ago, the RIAA began targeting YouTube ripping sites by sending relatively rare takedown requests to" Gulag https://torrentfreak.com/indie-record-label-leads-crackdown-on-youtube-downloaders-220929/ | Source: Torrent Freak
09:05 TR Bot; Record Label Leads Crackdown on YouTube Downloaders * TorrentFreak
09:05 TR News; "Rights Alliance and ISPs have agreed to update their code of conduct to block pirate sites more quickly in Denmark" https://torrentfreak.com/danish-piracy-blocking-updated-telecoms-group-publishes-all-domains-220929/ | Source: Torrent Freak
09:05 TR Bot; Pirate Site Blocking Updated, Telecoms Group Publishes All Domains * TorrentFreak
09:05 starstreak; i use 5.19.12-arch1-1 btw
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=H3OhtUtqY7Q
09:06 TR Bot; The Beatles - Here Comes The Sun - Invidious
09:07 highest_cubist_thrills; https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/6821-the-world-is-not-respectable-it-is-mortal-tormented-confused
↺ https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/6821-the-world-is-not-respectable-it-is-mortal-tormented-confused
09:07 starstreak; from Mr. Robot: https://youtu.be/Z7OSSUwPVM4
09:07 TR Bot; Quote by George Santayana: The world is not respectable; it is mortal, tor...
09:07 TR Bot; https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=Z7OSSUwPVM4
09:07 TR Bot; inv.riverside.rocks | Perfume Genius - 'Queen' (Official Video) - Invidious
09:08 starstreak; Who is your monster, Elliot?
09:08 TR News; Musks latest lies https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/29/musks-pledge-to-bring-starlink-to-iran-didnt-actually-do-anything-that-didnt-stop-the-hype-machine/ | Source: Techdirt
09:08 TR Bot; Pledge To Bring Starlink To Iran Didnt Actually Do Anything. That Didnt Stop The Hype Machine. | Techdirt
09:08 TR News; Climate https://truthout.org/articles/grassroots-climate-organizers-led-the-way-to-scrapping-manchins-dirty-deal/ | Source: TruthOut
09:08 TR Bot; Grassroots Climate Organizers Led the Way to Scrapping Manchins Dirty Deal
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; /me would fucking love a box of chocolates right now
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; and the stores are full of halloween candy but tbh its shit
09:09 TR News; More copyright trolls... one goes after me for 2 months already https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/29/that-time-the-former-white-house-photographer-was-threatened-by-a-copyright-troll-over-his-own-public-domain-photo/ | Source: Techdirt
09:09 TR Bot; Time The Former White House Photographer Was Threatened By A Copyright Troll Over His Own Public Domain Photo | Techdirt
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; i could go on rant about chocolate but the short version is: valentines and easter beat halloween. halloween candy is shit
09:10 highest_cubist_thrills; https://youtu.be/Z7OSSUwPVM4 cool video
09:10 starstreak; i love chocolate
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; /me makes an instant mocha (if you dont use shit ingredients it doesnt even matter that its instant)
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; people who hate instant are buying the wrong stuff
09:12 TR News; "Weve noted repeatedly how the massive freak out over TikTok is kind of dumb and myopic, with folks singularly fixated on TikTok" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/29/the-great-tiktok-moral-panic-continues-as-white-house-fends-off-calls-for-a-ban-for-now/ | Source: Techdirt
09:12 TR Bot; Great TikTok Moral Panic Continues As White House Fends Off Calls For A Ban. For Now. | Techdirt
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; granted when i make tea its from leaves
09:12 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, you might like this from Mr Robot: https://youtu.be/nyx9wWFOH2c
09:12 TR Bot; https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=nyx9wWFOH2c
09:12 TR Bot; inv.riverside.rocks | Mac Quayle - Mr. Robot "409.3 ACCOUNT OVERDRAWN" - Invidious
09:12 TR News; "Maringela recounted similar thoughts at the time: When I went up there, I thought: worst-case scenario" https://jacobin.com/2022/09/king-charles-queen-elizabeth-coronation-protest-arrest/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine
09:13 TR Bot; We Got Arrested Protesting Against King Charles III
09:13 TR News; "No regime, no matter how debased, hesitated to rant about disinformation at the UN." https://www.frontpagemag.com/the-end-of-debate/ | Source: Frontpage Magazine
09:13 TR Bot; The End of Debate | Frontpage Mag
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; why does the "sjw" bridge not cancel zemlin for his ad his wif'e FRAUD?
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; Fraud OK?
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; staring at people not OK?
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; then again, my question is...
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; rhetorical
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; the likes mjg59_, a serial defamer, work for billionaires
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; by attacking the vuinerable who expose their crimes
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; you just need to assess the targets of defamatrioon
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; Assange, RMS, LT...
09:16 highest_cubist_thrills; so far i like nearly everything from mr robot
09:16 TR News; "The experiment is being run by the 4 Day Week Global coalition in collaboration with researchers at Cambridge University" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3674829/four-day-workweek-pilot-shows-wide-support-for-a-32-hour-week.html | Source: Computer World
09:16 TR Bot; workweek pilot shows wide support for a 32-hour week | Computerworld
09:16 highest_cubist_thrills; except janice and shes dead, which i like
09:17 starstreak; did you see the scene where shes killed?
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; mmhmm :)
09:17 starstreak; i love the music they used on the show
09:18 highest_cubist_thrills; the likes mjg59_, a serial defamer, work for billionaires <- i used to fancy a girl who worked for george soros
09:18 starstreak; "Don't you know your Queen"
09:18 highest_cubist_thrills; she looked just like meg white <3
09:18 TR News; "This simply isnt true. Accessibility is a holistic practice that touches every aspect of creating a digital experience." https://ericwbailey.website/published/yes-accessibility-is-also-a-backend-concern/ |
09:18 TR Bot; Yes, accessibility is also a backend concern Eric Bailey
09:18 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, thats hardly unique, everyone works for george soros
09:19 mjg59_; The Mr Robot score is excellent
09:19 highest_cubist_thrills; rofl ofc
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 mjg59_; And I think the show overall captures a great deal of what hacking actually is
09:20 starstreak; mjg59_, its my favourite show of all time
09:20 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah its gotta be the most realistic thing yet in that regard
09:20 mjg59_; Even if I fundamentally refuse to believe that Leon would run Slackware
09:20 mjg59_; Nothing about Leon says Slackware
09:20 starstreak; mjg59_, i noticed that too!
09:20 TR News; "The ITU was created to manage international telegraph networks but expanded its remit to new technology such as telephones" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/internet-of-things/five-things-to-know-about-the-un-telecoms-agency/94546662 | Source: India Times
09:20 TR Bot; Five things to know about the UN telecoms agency, CIO News, ET CIO
09:21 highest_cubist_thrills; /me isnt convinced slackware actually exists
09:21 TR News; "There is no cloud, there is only other people's computers." https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/28/other-peoples-computers/#clouded-over | Source: CoryDoctorow
09:21 highest_cubist_thrills; it sounds more like an urban legend
09:21 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 28 Sep 2022 Maintaining monopolies with the cloud Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
09:21 starstreak; mjg59_, i dont think Elliot would really run Linux Mint tbh
09:21 TR News; "The Coalition for Fair Software Licensing argues that software agreements need to be more flexible and predictable for customers, including allowing the use of cloud services and programs from different providers." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/software-makers-restrictive-license-rules-targeted-by-new-group | Source: Bloomberg
09:21 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
09:21 starstreak; mjg59_, to me, Mr Robot would run gentoo or arch
09:21 highest_cubist_thrills; i can make one argument for him running lint and its silly
09:21 TR News; "The handwritten lyrics sold for five times as much as the 40,000 estimate." https://today.rtl.lu/entertainment/news/a/1971867.html | Source: RTL
09:21 TR Bot; RTL Today - Unprecedented interest: David Bowie's handwritten 'Starman' lyrics sell for over 200,000
09:21 highest_cubist_thrills; /me was convinced by kali
09:22 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, are you against linting in programming?
09:22 mjg59_; https://twitter.com/volkerdi/status/941454013060358145 - Slackware founder very upset at me complaining that Leon wouldn't run Slackware
09:22 TR Bot; @mjg59 @tef Works fine. Also, not sure what all your butthurt is about.
09:22 highest_cubist_thrills; Slackware founder very upset at me complaining that Leon wouldn't run Slackware <- seems like a small thing to get upset about
09:22 starstreak; mjg59_, lol!
09:22 highest_cubist_thrills; he should be happy that leon DOES run slackware.
09:23 mjg59_; A friend was a consultant, I tried to convince them to drop zero-day timed with an actual CVE release
09:23 highest_cubist_thrills; are you against linting in programming? <- not in any fundamental way, why?
09:23 mjg59_; Apparently the lawyers said no
09:23 highest_cubist_thrills; openbsd takes it to an extreme and thats fine.
09:23 TR News; "'I deactivated Twitter, but still the death and rape threats came, via my website. These attacks were much harder to bear because my employers, who I'd thought were my friends, weren't defending me." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11259447/Former-childrens-author-opens-cancelled-standing-JK-Rowling.html
09:23 TR Bot; Former children's author opens up on being cancelled after standing up for JK Rowling | Daily Mail Online
09:23 mjg59_; Blah blah apparently not responsible to disclose an SSH vulnerability on TV
09:23 TR News; microsoft windows tco https://yle.fi/news/3-12643304
09:23 TR Bot; Supo: Finland subject of extensive state espionage | News | Yle Uutiset
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; apparently not responsible to disclose an SSH vulnerability on TV <- i would think
09:24 mjg59_; Oh cool now Roy's publicly defending transphobes
09:24 starstreak; <highest_cubist_thrills> i can make one argument for him running lint and its silly <-
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; other than dfc, which transphobe is he defending (and how)
09:24 TR News; "SeeedStudio recently launched the DeskPi Super6C CM4 Cluster board which can accommodate up to 6 Raspberry Pi CM4 modules." https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-cluster-mini-itx-board-available-for-199/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
09:24 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-cluster-mini-itx-board-available-for-199/ )
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; and its silly <- its basically the same argument as tor pretending to be the most mainstream browser it can
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; because it doesnt identify as a specific (rare) thing.
09:25 mjg59_; By proxy here, JK Rowling
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the only reason i can think of him to use
09:25 mjg59_; Not sure what it has to do with tech
09:25 starstreak; mjg59_, he defends daemonfc so it can't be a surprise
09:26 mjg59_; I guess it's fine for him to bring up the topic, but not for anyone else
09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; i think defending jk rowling by proxy is fine, given that i dont know what by proxy implies and until i do, i can hardly complain about it
09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; defending her directly just shows you hate men more than you appreciate feminism.
09:26 mjg59_; Well, also that you hate trans women
09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; im referring to her motivation
09:27 starstreak; mjg59_, thank you for standing up for trans people :)
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; the people i consider trans women, she considers men
09:27 mjg59_; Ah, got you
09:27 mjg59_; That makes sense, thanks
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; but also i think she hates men and wants to be one.
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; its like homophobes who turn out to be gay
09:28 mjg59_; She lives in Scotland but loves the British crown so
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; She lives in Scotland but loves the British crown <- could have something to do with being INSANELY rich
09:28 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, kinda like me, i used to be transphobic
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; i used to be transphobic <- wow
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; but yeah, happens
09:29 mjg59_; Oh to be fair I definitely said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago
09:29 mjg59_; Not out of hate but out of misunderstanding
09:29 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure ive gotten trans ally shit wrong 100 times
09:29 highest_cubist_thrills; because im pedantic as fuck
09:30 mjg59_; I've learned a lot since then
09:30 highest_cubist_thrills; but after the pedantry subsides theres really nothing in the "trans agenda" i take issue with
09:30 mjg59_; Of course, Roy frames this as me cosplaying being trans somehow?
09:30 highest_cubist_thrills; we do need to make sure the tap water isnt turning frogs gay though.
09:30 starstreak; the trans agenda - to exist
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; Roy frames this as me cosplaying being trans <- roy is sloppy about you
09:31 mjg59_; Yeah I'm on team "water shouldn't contain hormones"
09:31 mjg59_; Unless you want it to
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; well i mostly mentioned the water because starstreak and i joke about alex jones a lot
09:31 starstreak; its making the frogs gay!
09:32 highest_cubist_thrills; im more concerned about pesticides from swiss pharm companies
09:32 highest_cubist_thrills; but in that regard its more a concern about cancer than mass homosexuality
09:32 starstreak; there was once a time when i was right wing and listened to alex jones seriously
09:32 starstreak; then i grew up
09:32 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know, if hating a guy who abuses his family and is completely batshit inane is wrong, i dont want to be right
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; <mjg59_> Oh to be fair I definitely said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; wait, i was trying to make a joke and i fucked it up :/
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; and now you cnacenl you old self
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; i meant liking-- oh well.
09:33 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Uh yeah?
09:33 *starstreak waits for it
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; you're a phony
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; a liar
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; a scam
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; gtfo
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; and leave us alone
09:34 mjg59_; Me being honest about my past is evidence I'm a phony and a liar?
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; you are an arslehole andd liar
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; and transophobe
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; who now uses that as a wedge
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; opportunist and liar
09:34 starstreak; because he was transphobic 20 years ago?
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; you even try to cancel gays
09:34 mjg59_; Can we dig into this some more?
09:34 starstreak; people change
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: yes
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; and now he pretends to be some champion
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; and tries to ruin p[eople's career
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; by LYING about them being transphobic
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; bbl
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> Can we dig into this some more? <- id say its inevitable
09:35 mjg59_; What makes you believe I'm pretending anything here?
09:35 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], i think its good that hes on our side now
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; this tolling of his is a waste of time
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; later
09:35 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], our = trans people
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; roy isnt trans, hes just pretending to be :)
09:36 mjg59_; Huh I'd say that showing up, criticising someone, and then immediately being "bbl" is actually something that fits the definition of "trolling"
09:36 TR News; "This will be a short one, but the reputation rehab project for Third Culture Bakery has begun." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/29/third-culture-bakery-celebrates-loss-of-mochi-muffin-trademark-with-giveaway/ | Source: Techdirt
09:36 TR Bot; Culture Bakery Celebrates Loss Of Mochi Muffin Trademark With Giveaway | Techdirt
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09:36 mjg59_; What if Roy is the real troll
09:36 starstreak; lol
09:36 starstreak; he could be
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean its technically his channel
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09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; he at least gets a discount.
09:36 TR News; "It really does feel like the legislative process regarding the tech world and privacy is a complete mess." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/29/is-californias-kids-code-screwing-up-the-efforts-for-a-federal-privacy-law/ | Source: Techdirt
09:36 TR Bot; Californias Kids Code Screwing Up The Efforts For A Federal Privacy Law? | Techdirt
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; and by technically, i mean-- is
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09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; or its ariadnes
09:37 starstreak; it would be hilarious if Roy had been trolling for 20 years
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; either way
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; it would be hilarious if Roy had been trolling for 20 years <- fsvo {if, hilarious}
09:37 mjg59_; One of the reasons I care about fighting transphobia in free software now is because I'm aware that I was part of the problem a long time in the past
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; /me tries to imagine mjg being transphobic and just cant
09:38 starstreak; 20 years ago everyone was transphobic
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; its not meant as a compliment or an insult
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; 20 years ago everyone was transphobic <- thats fair
09:38 mjg59_; And I want to help ensure that other people who are in the position I was 20 years ago have better advice
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; take t to /#techpol
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; this channel is about tech
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; you are attackint the site by derailign the channel
09:39 highest_cubist_thrills; #techrights for nazi shit, #techpol for trans rights
09:39 mjg59_; 09:23 < techrights-news> "'I deactivated Twitter, but still the death and rape threats came, via my website. These attacks were much harder to bear because my employers, who I'd thought were my friends, weren't defending me."
09:39 highest_cubist_thrills; its complicated but im getting the hang of it
09:39 mjg59_; What did that have to do with tech
09:39 TR News; "impossibility of getting AI or other automated systems to properly police" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/28/belly-buttons-and-napolean-poses-google-play-flags-android-game-for-inappropriate-content/ | Source: Techdirt
09:39 TR Bot; Buttons And Napolean Poses: Google Play Flags Android Game For Inappropriate Content | Techdirt
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; #techpol is not that
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; it was in the past
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; because of one person
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; now it's a lot of XRevan86 giving updates on putin
09:40 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah i like his updates
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; this channel is for tech
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; we'll steer people bakc on topuic
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; oto keep proper s/n ratioo
09:40 highest_cubist_thrills; transhumanism is about tech
09:40 mjg59_; What did you quoting a transphobic Daily Mail article have to do with tech
09:41 starstreak; it was techrights news that brought out mjg59_
09:41 TR News; Notice how every single link from Red Hat has SURVEILLANCE in it (the link itself) https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/friday-five-september-30-2022-red-hat | Source: Red Hat Official
09:41 TR Bot; Friday Five September 30, 2022 | Red Hat
09:41 highest_cubist_thrills; the irc protocol is turning bots gay!
09:42 TR News; "We are pleased to announce that Red Hat Satellite 6.11.3 is generally available as of September 29, 2022." https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-satellite-6113-has-been-released | Source: Red Hat Official
09:42 TR Bot; Red Hat Satellite 6.11.3 has been released
09:44 starstreak; https://youtu.be/kgUDbvKYbWk
09:44 TR Bot; https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=kgUDbvKYbWk
09:44 TR Bot; invidious.snopyta.org | Top 10 Ridiculous Alex Jones Moments - Invidious
09:45 TR News; iophk: well that explains why Arse and the other shill sites are distracting within whines about compromised SSH passwords on "Linux" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/researcher-warns-of-new-zero-day-in-microsoft-exchange-under-exploit.html
09:45 TR Bot; - Researcher warns of new zero-day in Microsoft Exchange under exploit
09:45 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
09:45 TR News; Passwords being bad, not "Linux" https://california18.com/new-malware-wreaks-havoc-on-windows-linux-and-routers/7118102022/
09:45 TR Bot; malware wreaks havoc on Windows, Linux and routers - California18
09:46 TR News; censorship drives people to the niche https://www.kxly.com/i/russell-brand-moves-to-rumble-amid-censorship-row/
09:46 TR Bot; Brand moves to Rumble amid censorship row - KXLY
09:46 TR News; analyticsindiamag = microsoft propaganda rag, still https://analyticsindiamag.com/the-dark-side-of-open-source/
09:46 TR Bot; The Dark Side of Open Source
09:46 TR News; 4dayweek blocked by gratuitous javascript https://www.4dayweek.com/news-posts/uk-four-day-week-pilot-mid-results
09:46 TR Bot; At the halfway point of a UK 6-month trial of a day 4 week pilot programme feedback is flowing in. 4 Day Week Global
09:49 highest_cubist_thrills; electromagnetic energy is turning alex jones into an enormous arsehole
09:50 TR News; "watches stallmans eyes in last years video to see if hes blinking in morse code" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-280922.html#tSep%2028%2000:25:44
09:50 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, September 28, 2022
09:50 highest_cubist_thrills; /me blames the sun https://yewtu.be/watch?v=H3OhtUtqY7Q
09:50 TR Bot; The Beatles - Here Comes The Sun - Invidious
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09:56 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, https://youtu.be/9JRLCBb7qK8
09:56 TR Bot; https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8
09:56 TR Bot; invidious.namazso.eu | Gay Frogs (Alex Jones REMIX) - Invidious
09:57 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
09:58 starstreak; they're turning the frogs gay
09:58 highest_cubist_thrills; /me thinks the frogs were just looking for any excuse they could find
09:58 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YTihsJQHt48
09:58 TR Bot; Bale Out - RevoLucian's Christian Bale Remix! - Invidious
09:58 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, LOL
09:59 highest_cubist_thrills; im way ahead of jones-- he hasnt even noticed that tap water is turning the seagulls lesbian
09:59 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=88sARuFu-tc
10:00 TR Bot; Bronski Beat - Smalltown Boy (Official Video) - Invidious
10:02 starstreak; lesbian seagull!
10:02 starstreak; Beavis and Butthead - Do America :D
10:02 starstreak; Beavis and Butthead - Do the universe is amazing
10:02 highest_cubist_thrills; they did a sequel?
10:03 starstreak; yeah
10:03 starstreak; i've watched it 5 times already
10:03 starstreak; its so good
10:03 highest_cubist_thrills; ive never even heard of it
10:03 *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed)
10:03 starstreak; its new
10:03 highest_cubist_thrills; holy shit
10:03 highest_cubist_thrills; youre not making it up?
10:04 starstreak; no, its a new movie
10:04 starstreak; only on paramount+ or the pirate bay
10:05 highest_cubist_thrills; heh
10:05 starstreak; i used to act like Beavis in grade 6
10:06 highest_cubist_thrills; beavis and butthead are pretty much the only reason i know who carmen electra is
10:06 highest_cubist_thrills; i would say dennis rodman, but no
10:07 starstreak; beavis and butthead season 8 - they watch Jersey Shore and Teen Mom
10:07 starstreak; im uploading a present for you highest_cubist_thrills
10:09 highest_cubist_thrills; if its a severed head im going to be very upset
10:15 highest_cubist_thrills; beavis and butthead season 8 - they watch Jersey Shore <- thats basically meta
10:15 highest_cubist_thrills; its like the episodes of doctor who where they have several doctors at once
10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
10:22 starstreak; beavis and butthead make fun of it
10:22 highest_cubist_thrills; nice!
10:23 highest_cubist_thrills; two of my favourite things
10:23 highest_cubist_thrills; the office and paralegals
10:26 highest_cubist_thrills; what class was this?
10:28 highest_cubist_thrills; "some people say i write aggressive emails" :D
10:30 starstreak; ethics class lol
10:30 highest_cubist_thrills; ROFL XD
10:30 starstreak; "break the law in your presentation" well okay
10:31 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=upFA3PJjxKQ
10:31 TR Bot; Judas Priest - Breaking The Law with Beavis & Butthead - Invidious
10:36 highest_cubist_thrills; youre ruthless in this
10:36 starstreak; lol
10:36 highest_cubist_thrills; its like watching a canadian version of the sopranos
10:39 highest_cubist_thrills; "wheres our fuckin money, eh"
10:40 TR News; "Linux is a very popular Operating System (OS) amongst programmers and regular users" https://www.tecmint.com/most-used-linux-commands/ | Source: TecMint
10:40 TR Bot; Most Commonly Used Linux Commands You Should Know
10:40 TR News; "As Linux users, we interact with the files and directories on a regular basis." https://www.tecmint.com/rmdir-command-examples/ | Source: TecMint
10:40 TR Bot; Linux rmdir Command Examples for Beginners
10:42 TR News; "A network manager often finds himself in situations where he has to change various network configurations." https://vitux.com/debian-network-interface-list/ | Source: Vitux
10:42 TR Bot; Ways to List Network Interfaces in Debian 11 - VITUX
10:42 highest_cubist_thrills; and theres even a very realistic "hacking" scene
10:42 TR News; "Podman project has been reworking its process" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/podman-packages-linux | Source: OpenSource.com
10:42 TR Bot; Podman packaging works on Linux | Opensource.com
10:43 TR News; "Not that long ago, docking a laptop was a new idea to me" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/docking-linux-laptop | Source: OpenSource.com
10:43 TR Bot; I dock my Linux laptop | Opensource.com
10:44 TR News; "The other day I was testing how to keep file permissions intact while copying files or directories to multiple locations" https://ostechnix.com/execute-commands-on-remote-linux-systems-via-ssh/ | Source: OSTechNix
10:44 TR Bot; Commands On Remote Linux Systems Via SSH - OSTechNix
10:44 highest_cubist_thrills; kevin macleod is definitely illuminati
10:45 TR News; "Web console access methods that utilize an SSH connection." https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/connecting-rhel-web-console-part-2-running-cockpit-web-server | Source: Red Hat Official
10:45 TR Bot; Connecting to the RHEL web console, part 2: Running the Cockpit web server
10:45 highest_cubist_thrills; all his arrangements fit the golden ratio and 333
10:47 TR News; "A symbolic link (also known as soft link) is a kind of shortcut to another file." https://linuxhandbook.com/follow-symbolic-link/ | Source: Linux Handbook
10:47 TR Bot; How to Follow Symbolic Links in Linux
10:47 TR News; "Are you deploying software using containers? Are you using Podman?" https://linuxhandbook.com/rootless-podman/ | Source: Linux Handbook
10:47 TR Bot; Getting Started With Rootless Container Using Podman
10:51 starstreak; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0cnMUroMlQ
10:51 TR Bot; https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=k0cnMUroMlQ
10:51 TR Bot; inv.riverside.rocks | IT WORKS! GNOME, Firefox, KDE apps, everything!!!! - Invidious
10:51 starstreak; Asahi Linux :D
10:51 starstreak; linucks
10:52 TR News; (NEW): Raspberry Pi CM4 cluster Mini-ITX board available for $199 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Raspberry_Pi_CM4_cluster_Mini_ITX_board_available_for_199.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Raspberry_Pi_CM4_cluster_Mini_ITX_board_available_for_199.gmi
10:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines Raspberry Pi CM4 cluster Mini-ITX board available for $199
10:54 TR News; (NEW): Open Hardware: Adafruit and SparkFun http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Open_Hardware_Adafruit_and_SparkFun.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Open_Hardware_Adafruit_and_SparkFun.gmi
10:54 TR Bot; Tux Machines Open Hardware: Adafruit and SparkFun
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 166.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 135.73
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11:04 TR News; United States of debt https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/29/gut-punch-biden-pulls-student-debt-relief-millions-gop-states-sue | Source: Common Dreams
11:04 TR Bot; 'Gut Punch': Biden Pulls Student Debt Relief for Millions as GOP States Sue
11:05 highest_cubist_thrills; /me thinks linucks sounds like more of an urban legend
11:06 highest_cubist_thrills; you cant run a computer without windows
11:06 highest_cubist_thrills; you install linucks and it just tells you to send bitdollars or something or it wont open your files
11:07 highest_cubist_thrills; dont go to fake websites
11:08 highest_cubist_thrills; and what are bitdollars, its just like chain emails or something. its twitter money-- you cant use that in the real world
11:09 TR News; The Direction One's Toil Has Taken gemini://thurk.org/blog/574.gmi
11:10 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.gmi
11:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
11:10 highest_cubist_thrills; if you see a guy in a trench coat and he says "hey buddy, wanna buy a laptop" just keep walking until you get to best buy
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; hehe
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; how big a laptop?
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; netbook maybe..
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; 17 inch laptop... the laptop would distort the coat
11:11 highest_cubist_thrills; "no i gotta real workstation here"
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; "hey kid, wanna buy a server raack?"
11:11 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah but it runs some fake thing called ubuntu
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; I want U
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; for Buntu
11:12 highest_cubist_thrills; its like a counterfeit windows
11:13 highest_cubist_thrills; they used to have fake computers too-- like youd try to buy a pc and they had this "apple" thing
11:13 highest_cubist_thrills; it looks like a computer but you cant even open the cd drive, what a ripoff
11:13 highest_cubist_thrills; i had room mate that had one, it looked like a television and a lamp had some fun times together
11:14 highest_cubist_thrills; thats definitely art but its not a computer
11:14 highest_cubist_thrills; /me just wants to run word-- the real one
11:14 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont like all these scams they have now
11:15 TR News; Bribery and corruption should not be a "controversial" issue; any politicians who OPPOSES such rules should come under INVESTIGATION. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/29/despite-nearly-80-voters-favor-house-dems-stall-stock-trading-ban | Source: Common Dreams
11:15 TR Bot; Despite Nearly 80% of Voters in Favor, House Dems Stall on Stock Trading Ban
11:15 highest_cubist_thrills; they have a fake yahoo called "google" or something
11:15 highest_cubist_thrills; if people havent been to the real one how are they supposed to know the difference
11:16 highest_cubist_thrills; they should take away googles internet license so they cant fake yahoo anymore
11:19 TR News; On "therapists" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/29/denial-mental-healthcare-your-therapist-will-see-you-now-or-will-they | Source: Common Dreams http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists/
11:19 TR Bot; Opinion | Denial of Mental Healthcare: 'Your Therapist Will See You Now or Will They?' | Sal Rosselli
11:19 TR Bot; [Meme] They Send Linus Torvalds to Therapists While Microsoft Pays Their Full Salary | Techrights
11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
11:22 TR News; "Big banks still pour billions into fossil fuels" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/29/activists-call-fed-pilot-program-assess-banks-climate-risk-welcome-first-step | Source: Common Dreams
11:22 TR Bot; Activists Call Fed Pilot Program to Assess Banks' Climate Risk a 'Welcome First Step'
11:30 TR News; Patent abuse https://truthout.org/articles/from-covid-to-monkeypox-our-health-system-failed-we-need-medicare-for-all/ | Source: TruthOut
11:30 TR Bot; From COVID to Monkeypox, Our Health System Failed. We Need Medicare for All.
11:32 TR News; newsom https://truthout.org/articles/newsom-reverses-course-and-signs-farmworker-union-bill-after-grassroots-pressure/ | Source: TruthOut
11:32 TR Bot; Newsom Reverses Course and Signs Farmworker Union Bill After Grassroots Pressure
11:33 TR News; And he's still not being arrested https://truthout.org/articles/trumps-lawyers-dodge-special-masters-questions-on-mar-a-lago-inventory-list/ | Source: TruthOut
11:33 TR Bot; Trump's Lawyers Dodge Special Master's Questions on Mar-a-Lago Inventory List
11:35 psydruid; Avahi Linux offered to you by GNOME Traitors
11:37 TR News; Microsoft is enabling scams. It has causing many victims to lose everything. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/09/fake-ciso-profiles-on-linkedin-target-fortune-500s/ | Source: Krebs On Security
11:37 TR Bot; Fake CISO Profiles on LinkedIn Target Fortune 500s Krebs on Security
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; apple fans
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; fsff si radical
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; we need tim crook
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; "shiiiiny
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; psydruid: there are no processor companies in thw world
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; just buy a mac
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; m*
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; *160
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; m16
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; m160
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; m6000000
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; you need a mac
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; to run "linux"
11:41 TR News; "First, these numbers show thatgovernment programswork." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/30/anti-poverty-programs-work-and-new-census-data-proves-it/ | Source: Counter Punch
11:41 TR Bot; Programs Work and New Census Data Proves It - CounterPunch.org
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12:18 TR News; (NEW): Excellent Utilities: CopyQ advanced clipboard manager http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Excellent_Utilities_CopyQ_advanced_clipboard_manager.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Excellent_Utilities_CopyQ_advanced_clipboard_manager.gmi
12:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines Excellent Utilities: CopyQ advanced clipboard manager
12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:21 *MinceR just buys a big mac
12:23 MinceR; 30 060526 < highest_cubist_thrills> "As a contributor to Cyberduck, you receive a registration key that disables the donation prompt that is displayed when quitting Cyberduck."
12:23 MinceR; lol
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; you can just shoplist it unnder the trencch coat
12:23 MinceR; well, if it's "free software" then i can just edit the code to remove the nag screen
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; barrier low on ram aagain
12:23 MinceR; and publish that version
12:25 TR News; Buckingham Palace https://www.thenation.com/article/world/queen-elizabeth-british-empire/ | Source: The Nation
12:25 TR Bot; Queen Elizabeth Was No Mere Symbol | The Nation
12:26 MinceR; 30 081912 < mjg59_> To be fair, you're amazingly unlikeable
12:26 MinceR; ...by MICROS~1/dehomag munchkins
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ found trand people amazingly unlikable when he was an adult in his 20s
12:28 schestowitz[TR]; <mjg59_> Oh to be fair I definitely said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago
12:30 schestowitz[TR]; now he ropes them in to attack innocent people who are not even transphobic
12:30 schestowitz[TR]; like rms and assange
12:30 MinceR; 30 084208 < DaemonFC> Fedora has IceCat RPMs.
12:30 MinceR; yeah, apparently fedora used to care about free software
12:30 MinceR; then they went full systemd.
12:31 MinceR; 30 084252 < mjg59_> DaemonFC: Oh, I'm polarising rather than unlikeable
12:31 MinceR; funny how that works.
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ did not mature or grow up until his 30s
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; maybe by 40s he has pubes
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; but I heard he's losing his hair rapidly
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; so I doubt he reached puberty by 40s
12:32 MinceR; 30 090211 < mjg59_> There's a clear argument that Microsoft were implicitly giving you permission to use what their model fed you, to the extent they could
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; trans people have been around for longer than I was born
12:32 MinceR; they'll just have you sign a massive legal document claiming they do not :>
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; some of us didn't "definitely said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago"
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; he did
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; MachoMan from Oxbridge
12:36 MinceR; 30 092644 < highest_cubist_thrills> and are routinely told basically "shut up and fork" whenever they complain
12:36 MinceR; "CLOSED WONTFIX"
12:37 MinceR; 30 093529 < highest_cubist_thrills> abolish corporations and software might be free.
12:37 MinceR; abolish the state
12:37 MinceR; then there will be no copyright
12:38 TR News; (NEW): 32 Outstanding Linux Utilities to Maximize your Productivity http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/32_Outstanding_Linux_Utilities_to_Maximize_your_Productivity.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/32_Outstanding_Linux_Utilities_to_Maximize_your_Productivity.gmi
12:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines 32 Outstanding Linux Utilities to Maximize your Productivity
12:38 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Android_Leftovers.gmi
12:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
12:39 MinceR; 30 101428 < schestowitz[TR]> Fraud OK?
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; copy 'right'
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; it's a permission system
12:39 MinceR; yes, it's what all of the self-proclaimed "elite" of our society is doing all the time
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; i permit you to make a copy of my books
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; or not
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; it's not my ""god-given rights"
12:39 schestowitz[TR]; it's a government system for control of works and distribution of works
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; copyright existed about 1% of the times our species has been around
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; 99% of the time humans had no copyrioght system
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; and they didn't run ay risk of destroying the whole human civilisation
12:40 schestowitz[TR]; climate, nukes, overpopulation..
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; <MinceR> 30 101428 < schestowitz[TR]> Fraud OK?
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; fraud is OK
12:41 MinceR; 30 102408 < mjg59_> Oh cool now Roy's publicly defending transphobes
12:41 MinceR; you know it's possible to take an issue with _how_ people are trying to resolve their conflicts, right?
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; just make sure you don't or never "said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago" like mjg59_ did as an adult man with a phd from cambridge
12:42 MinceR; (notwithstanding that most likely both sides of that particular conflict are evil shits)
12:42 schestowitz[TR]; <MinceR> 30 102408 < mjg59_> Oh cool now Roy's publicly defending transphobes
12:42 schestowitz[TR]; i never publcly or privately defend mjg59_
12:43 schestowitz[TR]; I even critised the fsf openly
12:43 schestowitz[TR]; for giving this transphobe an award
12:43 schestowitz[TR]; just 10 years after he had said " some transphobic shit "
12:44 MinceR; 30 134041 < schestowitz[TR]> and they didn't run ay risk of destroying the whole human civilisation
12:44 MinceR; no one ever did
12:44 schestowitz[TR]; wait
12:44 MinceR; for there to be a risk of destroying human civilization, it is necessary for human civilization to exist
12:44 schestowitz[TR]; ask starstreak first
12:44 MinceR; and it never did
12:44 schestowitz[TR]; she knows of imaginary beings
12:44 MinceR; :>
12:44 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: the good news is, there are a lot more insects than mammals and birds
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; in terms of biomass it's like 10 or more times greater
12:45 MinceR; there probably won't be any, 1 billion years from now
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; until we figure out how to eat them
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; or turn fossil fuels into some kind of "foods"
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; 1 billion is a very long time
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; I don't even know if there won't be a nuclear strike 10 days from now
12:45 MinceR; the Sun will blow the Earth's atmosphere away and boil away its water
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; with 10 more strikes to follow
12:46 schestowitz[TR]; before a ceasefallout
12:46 MinceR; that's about the maximum life on Earth will last without intelligent lifeforms saving it
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; sad truth..
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; sometimes you wonder about savings
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; if you'll live long enough to use them
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; due to external factors
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; not health
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; atm the value of money diminished fast
12:49 MinceR; or whether they'll even have value
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; people in poor country whom I talk to spend most of the money on food and power
12:49 MinceR; considering inflation in orbanistan
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; so the price of these doubling is catasrophic
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; brb tea
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; rianne calling
12:51 schestowitz[TR]; back
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; withn tea
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; you know, some trans friedn told me they have his guts
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ that is
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; their words
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; hate his guys
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; he does not speak to them
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; even attacks some of them
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; and later he says I'm not likebal.e... LOOK WHO HE HANGS OUT WITH
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; the people who implemented an EFF coup
12:53 schestowitz[TR]; whom I openly condemned for it
12:53 schestowitz[TR]; if they don't likely, it means I do something right. a badge of honour.
12:53 schestowitz[TR]; putin does not like navalny
12:53 MinceR; rip and tear his guts
12:53 schestowitz[TR]; is that bad?
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; i herad orban's tactics with putin did NOT keepm gas prices down
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; i think telex said that
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; so he looks like a dunce of putin
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; and unlike lukashenko he does not get cheap energy either
12:54 MinceR; his fan club doesn't mind
12:54 MinceR; neither does putler's
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; in our case, I'd say the energy price doubled in 2 years
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; esp. electricity
12:54 schestowitz[TR]; we don't use gas much
12:55 schestowitz[TR]; in east europe double the energy bill is more %-wise
12:55 schestowitz[TR]; also, further north the heating bills are more demanding
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12:56 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.thenation.com/is-there-a-future-for-russian-independent-media/
12:56 TR Bot; Is There a Future for Russian Independent Media? | The Nation
12:57 schestowitz[TR]; ok, time for daily links :>
12:57 schestowitz[TR]; then.. articlesd
12:57 schestowitz[TR]; heavy rain here today, nowhere to go :/
12:57 psydruid; schestowitz[TR]: it's a failure on the part of the other semiconductor companies that enables Apple
12:57 schestowitz[TR]; psydruid: that's not entirely true
12:57 psydruid; Apple isn't even doing that well
12:57 schestowitz[TR]; i had this discussion with ar1diane
12:57 schestowitz[TR]; *dne
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; because ehe insisted buying a mac just foir the processor was good bang for the buck
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; M1
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; not even so powerful
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; and for laptop/desktop, what use?
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; compiling?
12:58 psydruid; it is, Intel and AMD don't sell the hardware I want
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; video playback?
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; encoding?
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; real time ray tracing?
12:58 psydruid; running GNU/Linux
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; if you want a powerful laptop, get a server
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; and offload the jobs to it
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; the machine I use right now does light stuff
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 141.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.15
12:59 psydruid; x86 hardware is often just as expensive these days
12:59 schestowitz[TR]; encoding is done in an energy-hungry intel CPU with SSD
12:59 schestowitz[TR]; and here is the thing
12:59 schestowitz[TR]; most of the time people don't max up the CPU
12:59 schestowitz[TR]; maybe 90% of the time it's 90% idle
12:59 psydruid; Intel and AMD should not get preferential treatment
12:59 schestowitz[TR]; and 1% oif the time 100&
12:59 schestowitz[TR]; %
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; so you might want a server for workloads
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; and then some CPU scaling for your client end
13:00 psydruid; that doesn't mean I'm a fan of any of these companies
13:00 psydruid; indeed
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; <psydruid> Intel and AMD should not get preferential treatment
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; they promtect a monopoly
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; like fossil fuel
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; or a monoculture
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; KSA does not want countries to have large solar arrays
13:01 schestowitz[TR]; it would harm imports from aramco etc
13:01 schestowitz[TR]; so they gang upo
13:01 schestowitz[TR]; bribe politicians
13:01 schestowitz[TR]; bribe some silicon valley firms
13:01 psydruid; no Intel, no AMD, no Apple and no Nvidia
13:01 schestowitz[TR]; and ensure people still depend on polluting oil
13:01 psydruid; KSA can go to hell
13:01 schestowitz[TR]; it has a room reserved there
13:02 schestowitz[TR]; excepot for the women
13:02 schestowitz[TR]; they are the victims
13:02 schestowitz[TR]; they can take the ladder upstairs
13:04 TR News; Antitrust... and EFF not disclosing that it TOOK MONEY from Gulag https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/google-loses-appeal-against-eus-record-antitrust-fine-will-big-tech-ever-change | Source: EFF
13:04 TR Bot; Google Loses Appeal Against EU's Record Antitrust fine, But Will Big Tech Ever Change? | Electronic Frontier Foundation
13:06 frog; meanwhile zipping together a minimal package-set passing without GNU-toolchain/buildsystem
13:06 psydruid; I'm all for more competition, lower prices and lower power consumption with commodity ARM and RISC-V hardware
13:06 psydruid; but I can understand that some people buy Apple hardware to run free operating systems for now, while Intel and AMD have completely lost it
13:06 frog; 16MiB compressed, after removing shared libs (not required, it's all statically linked), it's gonna be even smaller
13:07 TR News; "The border between Russia and Georgia is closed to pedestrians, cyclists, and scooters" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/29/the-russia-georgia-border-is-now-closed-to-bicycles-and-scooters-witnesses-say | Source: Meduza
13:07 TR Bot; NO TITLE
13:07 frog; i mean, together with a kernel, that will be a linux distro of ~32MiB total
13:07 schestowitz[TR]; scientes: ^^
13:07 psydruid; I would gladly cook MBS on an x86 processor and feed him to some mythical creature
13:08 schestowitz[TR]; does shit burn?
13:09 psydruid; 241W is the latest for a "gaming" processor
13:09 psydruid; did we go 20 years back in time?
13:10 TR News; Putin does not need a death sentence when he gets to arbitrarily choose who gets drafted to fight in a war he's losing
13:10 schestowitz[TR]; psydruid: no
13:10 schestowitz[TR]; back then the CPUs did not take that much power
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; and the games were not very demanding eother
13:11 psydruid; Pentium4
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; the PFS obsession came later
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; sorry
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; typo
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; Frames per second
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; for first person shooter
13:11 psydruid; crap still remains crap
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; after wolfenstein etc.
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; which changes the concept of hgames
13:11 schestowitz[TR]; no more spires moving along vertically and hosrizontally
13:12 schestowitz[TR]; but pseudo-3d
13:12 schestowitz[TR]; *sprites
13:12 schestowitz[TR]; so then came GPUs
13:12 schestowitz[TR]; to render with a rendering language into rasper space faster
13:12 psydruid; I'm not more harsh on Apple ("a lifestyle company") than I am on the other companies
13:12 schestowitz[TR]; on screens with too high a resolution
13:13 schestowitz[TR]; Apple is exaclt that
13:13 psydruid; I had an AMD Athlon myself
13:13 schestowitz[TR]; this is whyt they closely control their image and adevrtising
13:13 schestowitz[TR]; like paying hollywood for movie placement
13:13 schestowitz[TR]; and for cleebs to fake standing in line for some new 'i' shit
13:13 psydruid; then the other companies need to make better products than Apple does
13:13 schestowitz[TR]; theysell people the lie Jobs hd a good life
13:13 schestowitz[TR]; he had a shit life
13:13 schestowitz[TR]; and died young
13:13 psydruid; it's as simple as that
13:13 schestowitz[TR]; some people eho know him mightg say it contributed to his cancer
13:14 schestowitz[TR]; and if you buy enough 'i' things you will live that mythical lifestyle too
13:14 schestowitz[TR]; only if you keep buying the latest
13:14 schestowitz[TR]; as if some 'i' 'phone' sendinf you notifications while you sleep is healthy
13:14 psydruid; I don't have any Apple hardware other than some old Powermacs to run GNU/Linux
13:15 psydruid; I bought them used
13:15 psydruid; 50 a piece
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13:22 schestowitz[TR]; good
13:23 schestowitz[TR]; what are the specs?
13:23 schestowitz[TR]; POWER would be circa 2010?
13:23 schestowitz[TR]; if the later models..
13:23 schestowitz[TR]; yellowdog linus used to target those
13:23 schestowitz[TR]; *linus
13:23 schestowitz[TR]; *linux
13:27 frog; i am having some problem still, with GNU-toolchain/buildsystem blocked and removed, there isn't any ports-tree anywhere i could easily move to
13:27 frog; even if, then i need to verify any individual package, and rewrite it's packaging and makefile, almost always
13:31 frog; git or rsync desired... well, that's a hackjob of a day or two at least
13:32 frog; and i won't accept any autotools pre-generated configure/makefile anymore anywhere
13:35 frog; i mean, even the *BSD pkgsrc trees are excluded, because those too won't pass with the acceptance criteria
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13:36 frog; the BSD base-systems themselves could, yet even then their move to llvm is unacceptable
13:38 TR News; The taxpayers left with the bill.. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/29/analysis-exposes-taxpayer-billions-wasted-dead-end-carbon-capture-schemes | Source: Common Dreams
13:38 TR Bot; Analysis Exposes Taxpayer Billions 'Wasted' on Dead-End Carbon Capture Schemes
13:42 frog; the current package set of ~50 builds is still a considerable amount of maintenance effort, because each individual requires a re-integraton into any package-manager and dependency tracking
13:42 frog; and i haven't decided yet which package manager
13:42 schestowitz[TR]; why any?
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; wget | ...
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; since your system likely sucks anyway, why make it easier with download manager
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; just throw in some arcane, unmaintained compiler
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; and blame the use for wanting to compile something that can accomplish things
13:44 frog; why?
13:44 frog; GNU-toolchain and GNU-buildsystem themselves do NOT pass MINIMUM acceptance criteria
13:44 frog; regardless of any package manager chosen later
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; if people want a minimalist system with apackage manager, they can get easyos or p[uppey
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; sure, they use a github account
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; but so do you
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13:46 frog; not sure how github was related, i am having difficulty still to re-integrate dev-vcs/git itself, regradless of where any git repository was hosted
13:47 frog; furtheremore, there isn't any other distribution which blocks and removes GNU-toolchain and buildsystem themselves
13:47 frog; i don't care, how they namecall themselves, puppey or easy or whatever, those systems do not pass minimum acceptance criteria
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; they don't
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; but that's a subjective criterion
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; i still don't understand your criteeria
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; because they seem inconsistent
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; it's basically "aggi doesn't like this"
13:48 frog; the criteria are not subjective, and i can explain in great detail what the criteria are
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; put it on a site
13:49 frog; which conclusion to arrive at, this might differ, and i do not dispute if anyone else doesn't follow criteria
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; youe have basically declared gnu unfit
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; all the projects
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; hundreds of them
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; written by different people
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; and you say it's not because o the licence
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; but code quality
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; as if you check their toolchain
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; they don't all use the same toolchains either
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; some are standing on their own
13:49 frog; yes, software quality, and fundemental issues with GNU-toolchain and buildsystem themselves
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; ii depends on c libs
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; suckless in general has deps too
13:50 frog; sure, and libc is a huge headache remaining still
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; you moan abotu software quality but you barely wrote any porogram of your own
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; you shows me one
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; and it was poorly documented
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; impossible to know what it was doing
13:50 frog; i wrote some kernel crypto module
13:51 schestowitz[TR]; with weird variable names
13:51 frog; and recently picked up and re-implemented some suckless component to replace sudo/doas
13:51 schestowitz[TR]; both are bad design
13:51 schestowitz[TR]; I use su
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; suedo has many flaws all the time
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; not sure about doas
13:52 frog; anyway, that's unrelated to the fundemental quality problems of GNU toolchain and buildsystem
13:52 frog; if you use that, you lost
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; lost one user
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; aggi
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; what distro do you use right now?
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; for irc?
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; gentoo?
13:52 frog; i am not using any distro anymore
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; i think you are
13:53 frog; none of it is maintained
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; you didn't compile the one you use right now from source, not without lfs
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; lfs is also a distro
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; what shows up in your boot screen
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; surely you are running a distro now
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13:54 frog; what i bundled, almost all of it, is custom-made and patched
13:54 schestowitz[TR]; pause
13:54 schestowitz[TR]; but what did you build on?
13:54 schestowitz[TR]; did you egwt from kernel.org?
13:54 schestowitz[TR]; and then make a bootable disk with it?
13:54 schestowitz[TR]; *wget
13:55 frog; wget is a problem remaining still
13:55 schestowitz[TR]; so you use some distro
13:55 schestowitz[TR]; but you won't admit it
13:55 frog; for userspace, i'll continue with toybox
13:55 frog; what?
13:55 frog; besides, perl/python/bash are entirely removed from the profile too already
13:56 schestowitz[TR]; what distro are you on irc with?
13:56 frog; NONE
13:56 schestowitz[TR]; that handles your network and interfaqce
13:56 frog; it is my own self-made gcc47 c-only toolchain profile
13:56 schestowitz[TR]; so you are on linux 2.4.x now?
13:56 schestowitz[TR]; on irc?
13:56 frog; i got two profiles
13:56 schestowitz[TR]; toolchain profile?
13:56 schestowitz[TR]; or OS?
13:56 frog; gcc47 c-only, kernel-5.10; the tcc-only profile will be linux-2.4
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; toolchain profile does not give you a full system
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; did you compile linux 5.x with gcc 4x
13:57 frog; i don't know yet how to namecall this: without python/perl/bash... what it is
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; ?
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; and then boot into that kernel for irc?
13:58 starstreak; This is how TempleOS was made...
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; TempleOS died early
13:58 frog; i compile a kernel, oksh, dmux desktop environment, and catgirl irc... it's pretty much all custom-made
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; which kernel?
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; you compiled new linux with very old gcc?
13:59 frog; yes
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; you are probably on gentoo right now
13:59 frog; i am not anymore, python is removed
13:59 frog; yes, and it was very much work, to accomplish this
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; so it's based on gentoo
14:00 frog; it isn't anymore
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; anymore?
14:00 frog; it is two profiles: gcc47/c-only, this profile isn't maintained by gentoo at all, just saying
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; if I take debian
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; and make a derivative of it
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; it's still debian based
14:00 frog; and next, GNU, python/perl/bash are fully removed
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; ok, so you customised your gentoo
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; to use older stuff
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; and fewer things
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; well done
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; just admit it
14:01 frog; yes, the c-only profile is well done
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; ok
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; nice
14:01 frog; but, this doesn't suffice, GNU must be removed, python must be, perl, bash
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; so you take gentoo
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; and lessen the deps
14:02 frog; certainly not
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; until you get what you wanted
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; gentoo is a t emplate anyway
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; like lfs with more assebly pre-delivered
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; and less than arch
14:02 frog; gentoo doesn't maintain any tree for what i do
14:03 frog; go for it, gentoo, and see what you get
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; chromeos removed a lot from gentoo
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; and added a TON of malwaare
14:03 frog; i remove all of it, and push further, removing GNU toolchain and buildsystem too
14:04 MinceR; (no audio) https://apina.biz/192084.webm?mode=sfw
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14:04 frog; it is good to see, my dmux desktop environment too already is available
14:05 frog; but there is many important pieces missing
14:05 starstreak; frog, what is your target audience?
14:05 frog; and i need to review ALL ebuilds in great detail
14:05 MinceR; https://i.ibb.co/kyDMjsY/unknown-6.png
14:05 frog; starstreak: suffices to say, removing GNU will ring some bells in the ears where it should
14:06 starstreak; Paradise Linucks - Linucks for Schitzophrenics
14:06 MinceR; btw
14:07 starstreak; he says GNU is evil but he bundles their compiler
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14:07 frog; who? i won't bundle their compiler/toolchain.
14:07 starstreak; gcc47
14:07 frog; that's the archived/frozen profile
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; <starstreak> Paradise Linucks - Linucks for Schitzophrenics
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; Schitzophrenics dual boot
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; and can master the dfuality
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; but two distros means more ATTACK SURFACE
14:08 starstreak; Attack surface!
14:08 frog; i will never publish any software with GNU-toolchain/buildsystem involved, this doesn't pass minimum acceptance criteria of mine
14:08 frog; if anyone else wants to publish, go for it
14:09 schestowitz[TR]; you wrote very little software
14:09 schestowitz[TR]; and you have "minimum acceptance criteria"
14:09 schestowitz[TR]; like you'r a a federal/bundes agency
14:09 starstreak; Paradise Linucks isn't a very good name either, you should call it Lunatic Linucks
14:09 frog; i wrote much software, many years
14:09 schestowitz[TR]; maybe proprietry
14:10 schestowitz[TR]; i saw only one program
14:10 schestowitz[TR]; in your microsoft github account
14:10 schestowitz[TR]; (proporietary)
14:10 frog; yes, the last project, java, i didn't own my own work, to publish it
14:10 starstreak; frog is so devoted to the cause that he threw star trek and big bang theory dvds into the trash
14:11 frog; where it belongs, together with most "free software"
14:11 starstreak; you probably could have sold them :/
14:12 frog; what GNU/FSF don't say is this, they created a gigantic vendor-lock against their toolchain/buildsystem
14:12 frog; regardless of the license
14:12 starstreak; isn't it free software?
14:13 frog; it is. but it is vendor-locked, has severe quality issues, and cannot be detangled to salvage it easily
14:13 frog; and they crossed one or another red line beyond what i could compromise with
14:15 starstreak; Paradise Linucks - Boots directly into a text prompt. startx doesn't work NOOB
14:15 frog; good news is, i still got a decent compiler/toolchain, i still got an almost complete userspace, i still got development utilities, dmux desktop environment
14:15 frog; however, i need to review any individual package in detail, rewrite the build-system/makefiles for most of what is missing still
14:15 frog; and that's very much work
14:16 frog; it is feasible, but i don't know, how much time for this remains
14:17 TR News; Rafael Correa https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/29/rafael-correa-they-have-already-destroyed-assange/ | Source: Scheerpost
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14:31 TR Bot; Hedges: The Disappearance of Meghan Marohn scheerpost.com
14:38 MinceR; attack surface btw
14:45 MinceR; (cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/l8DuclI.mp4
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14:58 MinceR; https://i.ibb.co/qngMVPj/RDT-20220930-1021443557492005028773052.webp
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.05 k/sec., IPFS upstream 137.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.41
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15:05 TR Bot; Prize 2022: An Old (and Distinguished) Camera Learns New Tricks | Hackaday
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15:21 TR News; "Don't take a day off after not having slept enough the previous night. That would be wasting the holiday allowance. It wouldn't be possible to enjoy my free time anyway, so why not just work? For an IT Engineer, there's still a way to be productive (sometimes even more)" gemini://foo.zone/gemfeed/2022-09-30-after-a-bad-nights-sleep.gmi
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15:23 TR News; "Against labor exploitation, I felt that traditional ancom was a good idea. Worker co-ops, unions all good solutions. Creating a haven for the downtrodden, so we could leave the owner classes plants and highrises hollow and abandoned. The workers are going home"" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/farewell-anarchy
15:23 TR News; Announcing hoursctl a command-line utility to manage your hours gemini://dj-chase.com/documents/announcing-hoursctl.gmi
15:26 TR News; Eskom https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/30/the-electricity-crisis-in-south-africa-continues-to-brew/ | Source: Counter Punch
15:26 TR Bot; Electricity Crisis in South Africa Continues to Brew - CounterPunch.org
15:28 TR News; "Weve all seen emulated Apple II and Commodore 64 boards about the place." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/29/building-a-replica-of-an-obscure-romanian-computer/ | Source: Hackaday
15:28 TR Bot; A Replica Of An Obscure Romanian Computer | Hackaday
15:29 TR News; Urine Flow Measurement https://hackaday.com/2022/09/29/urine-flow-measurement-made-accessible-with-uroflow/ | Source: Hackaday
15:29 TR Bot; Flow Measurement Made Accessible With UroFlow | Hackaday
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15:32 TR News; "Metalworking might conjure images of large furnaces powered by coal, wood, or electricity, with molten metal" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/29/casting-metal-with-a-microwave-and-vacuum-cleaner/ | Source: Hackaday
15:32 TR Bot; Metal With A Microwave And Vacuum Cleaner | Hackaday
15:33 TR News; "Science fiction predicted that we would one day all carry around tiny computers of great power." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/29/teensy-becomes-tiny-handheld-computer-plays-emulators/ | Source: Hackaday
15:33 TR Bot; Becomes Tiny Handheld Computer, Plays Emulators | Hackaday
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15:41 TR News; Links 30/09/2022: *buntu 22.10 Beta and Linux Mint 21.1 Plans | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/linux-mint-21-1-plans/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/linux-mint-21-1-plans/
15:41 TR Bot; Links 30/09/2022: *buntu 22.10 Beta and Linux Mint 21.1 Plans | Techrights
15:43 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
15:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
15:43 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_leftovers.gmi
15:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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16:49 MinceR; https://apina.biz/165892.jpg?mode=sfw
16:49 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/165892.jpg
16:54 XRevan86; MinceR: It's easier for a Russian, the oligarchs are Putin's literal cronies, so a false dichotomy only occurs for the most ignorant.
16:54 MinceR; :>
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 167.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.43
17:18 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> well, if it's "free software" then i can just edit the code to remove the nag screen <- theres two things wrong with thi
17:18 highest_cubist_thrills; which is probably why the quote marks
17:19 highest_cubist_thrills; first is thats the same reason they shouldnt put anti features in. jmz pulled the same shit with his fucking screensavers.
17:19 highest_cubist_thrills; mageia pulled the same shit with a eula, but that wasnt free software / whatever
17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
17:20 highest_cubist_thrills; this stuff does not belong in free software, it exists solely for non-free shits benefit.
17:20 highest_cubist_thrills; but the other thing is that shit isnt forkable anymore
17:20 TR News; (NEW): Linux Mint 21.1 Code Name Revealed, Coming Up on Christmas http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Linux_Mint_21_1_Code_Name_Revealed_Coming_Up_on_Christmas.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Linux_Mint_21_1_Code_Name_Revealed_Coming_Up_on_Christmas.gmi
17:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux Mint 21.1 Code Name Revealed, Coming Up on Christmas
17:20 highest_cubist_thrills; bloat makes it a bitch to compile, and for the most part people dont care. heres your binary, stick it up your arse and dont complain.
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17:21 highest_cubist_thrills; we dont support that architecure. that version.
17:21 highest_cubist_thrills; that init system
17:21 highest_cubist_thrills; ofc im preaching to the choir here, so at least theres that
17:21 highest_cubist_thrills; plus its github anyway
17:23 TR News; Profit above all else gemini://altesq.net/~evenfire/posts/profit-above-all-else.gmi
17:24 highest_cubist_thrills; stick it up your arse and dont complain. <- (c) 2022 alphabet, inc
17:24 highest_cubist_thrills; android, the free and open source proprietary operating system
17:24 TR News; "Writer's block sucks. Though the only way to get past it is to write, which is quite paradoxical." gemini://altesq.net/~evenfire/posts/absence.gmi
17:27 TR News; Spamnil and Co shilling "Azure Marketplace"
17:28 TR News; How to try out Ubuntu 22.10 early https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-try-out-ubuntu-22-10-early/ try Windows...
17:28 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-try-out-ubuntu-22-10-early/ )
17:32 TR News; "smart" = it spies on you. IOW, do NOT use it. https://www.maketecheasier.com/smart-home/best-smart-thermostat-for-your-home/
17:32 TR Bot; How to Choose the Best Smart Thermostat for Your Home - Make Tech Easier
17:33 scientes; <highest_cubist_thrills> android, the free and open source proprietary operating system
17:33 scientes; yes
17:33 TR News; "Many people want to be a programmer, but often find themselves flailing around in the dark." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0NIQB3k1p4
17:33 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=C0NIQB3k1p4
17:33 TR Bot; yewtu.be | How to be a Better Programmer - Invidious
17:34 TR News; "Docking a Linux laptop offers flexibility and a better video experience." https://opensource.com/article/22/9/docking-linux-laptop
17:34 TR Bot; I dock my Linux laptop | Opensource.com
17:35 schestowitz[TR]; android, the "cute" robots
17:35 schestowitz[TR]; from the company with the "cute" logo
17:35 schestowitz[TR]; and the "funny" PR stunt
17:35 schestowitz[TR]; android 20, now with extra cuteness
17:36 schestowitz[TR]; don't be EEEvil
17:36 schestowitz[TR]; this motto was too confining
17:36 schestowitz[TR]; so they abolished that
17:37 TR News; For your Microsoft praise visit Phoronix any day. Also support the site. It's raising CORPORATE money but wants you to chip in, TOO. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Cloud-Hypervisor-27
17:37 TR Bot; Microsoft & Arm Continue Advancing The Cloud-Hypervisor With v27 Released - Phoronix
17:39 TR News; Limine resolution fix in initrd https://bkhome.org/news/202209/limine-resolution-fix-in-initrd.html
17:39 TR Bot; Limine resolution fix in initrd
17:48 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, September 29, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/irc-log-290922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/irc-log-290922/
17:48 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, September 29, 2022 | Techrights
17:48 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
17:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
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17:55 TR News; (NEW): This Extension Adds Bluetooth Management to GNOME Quick Settings http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/This_Extension_Adds_Bluetooth_Management_to_GNOME_Quick_Setting.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/This_Extension_Adds_Bluetooth_Management_to_GNOME_Quick_Setting.gmi
17:55 TR Bot; Tux Machines This Extension Adds Bluetooth Management to GNOME Quick Settings
17:57 TR News; Doom Playthrough E1M1 - E1M9 on Ultra-Violence // Brutal Doom https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yLA3WM2byOY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/yLA3WM2byOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLA3WM2byOY
17:57 TR Bot; ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yLA3WM2byOY )
17:57 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yLA3WM2byOY
17:59 TR News; Stadia joins huge list of Google services in the graveyard https://itwire.com/entertainment/stadia-joins-huge-list-of-google-services-in-the-graveyard.html
17:59 TR News; 'Donations' in fakemoney. Sign of doom? https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2022/09/29/qubes-os-project-now-accepting-donations-on-ethereum/
18:00 TR Bot; - Stadia joins huge list of Google services in the graveyard
18:00 TR Bot; The Qubes OS Project is now accepting donations on Ethereum! | Qubes OS
18:01 TR News; (NEW): New Cyber Bill Aims To Fix Open-Source Security in Government http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/New_Cyber_Bill_Aims_To_Fix_Open_Source_Security_in_Government.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/New_Cyber_Bill_Aims_To_Fix_Open_Source_Security_in_Government.gmi
18:01 TR Bot; Tux Machines New Cyber Bill Aims To Fix Open-Source Security in Government
18:05 TR News; This bill is actually about discriminating against Free software http://techrights.org/2022/09/28/discriminating-against-free-software/
18:05 TR Bot; Attempts to Legislate Against Free Software in Order to Elbow Such Software Aside | Techrights
18:05 TR News; Maybe it should have said Marketing rather than "Exclusive" https://news.itsfoss.com/tuxedo-os/
18:05 TR Bot; [Exclusive] Tuxedo Makes Ubuntu-based 'TUXEDO OS' Available For All
18:06 TR News; What Microsoft-bribed media has been distracting from lately https://itwire.com/security/microsoft-investigating-two-zero-days-affecting-exchange-server.html
18:06 highest_cubist_thrills; /me builds a #techpol / #techrights bridge >:)
18:07 starstreak; lol
18:07 schestowitz[TR]; oh, the bill thing?
18:07 highest_cubist_thrills; <XRevan86> And that in no means would justify the invasion of Canada by the US. <- is a reason really necessary though
18:07 schestowitz[TR]; it's politics against freesw
18:07 highest_cubist_thrills; they have oil, that should be enough
18:07 highest_cubist_thrills; though a lot of that is actually crude maple
18:07 TR Bot; - Microsoft investigating two zero-days affecting Exchange Server
18:08 highest_cubist_thrills; unrefined and unprocessed
18:08 TR News; Security updates for Friday https://lwn.net/Articles/909947/
18:08 TR Bot; updates for Friday [LWN.net]
18:08 highest_cubist_thrills; they have healthcare, and the domino effect is a real threat
18:08 highest_cubist_thrills; left unchecked, healthcare could spread to the west
18:08 schestowitz[TR]; hudreds of meters from us, today
18:08 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/manchester-city-training-video-29-september-63800065
18:08 TR Bot; Training: Foden free-kick masterclass
18:09 highest_cubist_thrills; at least canada is smart enough to avoid bringing dentists into this
18:09 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Obviously to protect the American population from the Ottawa junta.
18:09 highest_cubist_thrills; Obviously to protect the American population from the Ottawa junta. <- rightly so!
18:10 TR News; Embrace, extend, extinguish: "driver within Mesa for benefiting Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2)" https://www.phoronix.com/news/Microsoft-AV1-D3D12-Decode phoronix still trying to help them
18:10 TR Bot; Adds AV1 Decode Support To Their Mesa D3D12 Driver - Phoronix
18:10 TR News; "WSL2 getting full hardware accelerated video support faster than native Linux? This really isn't a good sign..." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1349129-microsoft-adds-av1-decode-support-to-their-mesa-d3d12-driver
18:10 TR Bot; Adds AV1 Decode Support To Their Mesa D3D12 Driver - Phoronix Forums
18:11 scientes; Phoronix is not news
18:11 TR News; "Unfortunately, Windows isn't hampered by royalties and licenses and all that kind of legalese bullshit that holds Linux back." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1349129-microsoft-adds-av1-decode-support-to-their-mesa-d3d12-driver
18:11 scientes; I mean, if LWN didn't exist people might mistake it for news
18:11 scientes; but it still isn't news
18:12 TR News; (NEW): qBittorrent 4.5.0 Beta 1 - NeowiqBittorrent 4.5.0 Beta 1 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/qBittorrent_4_5_0_Beta_1_NeowiqBittorrent_4_5_0_Beta_1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/qBittorrent_4_5_0_Beta_1_NeowiqBittorrent_4_5_0_Beta_1.gmi
18:12 TR Bot; Tux Machines qBittorrent 4.5.0 Beta 1 - NeowiqBittorrent 4.5.0 Beta 1
18:12 schestowitz[TR]; LWN is not news either
18:12 schestowitz[TR]; except for kernel stuff
18:13 schestowitz[TR]; and security listings (patches)
18:13 scientes; the security stuff isn't news
18:13 scientes; Linus Torvalds is correct about the "security" junkos
18:14 scientes; (although he has little interest in something like SeL4 which actually wants to be secure....)
18:14 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
18:14 schestowitz[TR]; "masturbating moneys"
18:14 schestowitz[TR]; strong words
18:14 schestowitz[TR]; but they likely deserve it
18:14 schestowitz[TR]; he didn't addreess anyone in particular
18:14 scientes; old Linus
18:14 schestowitz[TR]; before bollocking
18:14 scientes; he tears people new assholes with softer words now
18:14 schestowitz[TR]; originalLinus
18:15 highest_cubist_thrills; monkeys are known to do that, so unless he knows a particular puritanical community of monkeys, linus was being redundant
18:15 highest_cubist_thrills; at any rate, putting rust in the kernel is worse
18:15 scientes; highest_cubist_thrills, not redundant, pedantic
18:15 TR News; Microsoft distro https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/09/30/ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu-final-beta-released/
18:15 TR Bot; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) Final Beta released
18:15 scientes; and rhetorical
18:15 scientes; (obviously)
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18:16 scientes; schestowitz, LWN has all sorts of great stuff, such as being the publication point for Ulrich Drepper's paper on memory for example
18:16 scientes; What Every Programmer Should Know About Memory
18:16 scientes; which remains the best paper on the subject
18:18 TR News; "They have to abid to the country laws and avoid potentia lawsuits from some patent trolls." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1349129-microsoft-adds-av1-decode-support-to-their-mesa-d3d12-driver/page2 ICBM lobbies for troll-friendly (swpats) [policy) http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/phoronix-and-microsoft-mesa/
18:18 TR Bot; Adds AV1 Decode Support To Their Mesa D3D12 Driver - Phoronix Forums
18:18 TR Bot; Microsoft Thinks It Owns Mesa (and Computer Games) | Techrights
18:18 TR News; Stormy US https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF3UFYvI0nU
18:18 TR Bot; https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=FF3UFYvI0nU
18:19 TR Bot; invidious.namazso.eu | Bad Internet for a Few Days | Postponing Weekly News Roundup - Invidious
18:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:20 TR News; Seriously? Wow? Aside from awful privacy, this isn't new and has so many drawbacks. https://news.itsfoss.com/ubuntu-amazon-workspaces/
18:20 TR Bot; Wow! You Can Now Use Ubuntu Desktop on Cloud
18:20 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi
18:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
18:20 starstreak; Microsoft Linucks 24.04 LTS
18:20 schestowitz[TR]; 24.03 BTW
18:20 schestowitz[TR]; B FOR BETA
18:21 highest_cubist_thrills; im rick james, btw
18:22 schestowitz[TR]; are you my vvvorzt nightmare?
18:23 highest_cubist_thrills; my worst nightmare is i walk into a data centre where im the head of i.t. and someone installed an update that brought systemd in to every server
18:23 highest_cubist_thrills; then i look down and realise im wearing pants
18:24 highest_cubist_thrills; working remotely has made pants the new tie
18:25 TR News; The WWW is not safe. It wasn't built to be. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/09/security-vulnerabilities-in-covert-cia-websites.html
18:25 TR Bot; Vulnerabilities in Covert CIA Websites - Schneier on Security
18:26 TR News; (NEW): 5 Nautilus Extensions to Enhance Your GNOME File Manager http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/5_Nautilus_Extensions_to_Enhance_Your_GNOME_File_Manager.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/5_Nautilus_Extensions_to_Enhance_Your_GNOME_File_Manager.gmi
18:27 TR Bot; Tux Machines 5 Nautilus Extensions to Enhance Your GNOME File Manager
18:27 TR News; dbrand's MILLION DOLLAR Steam Deck blunder. (Plus other Deck news) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GltcKsa_Klo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/GltcKsa_Klo
18:27 TR Bot; dbrand's MILLION DOLLAR Steam Deck blunder. (Plus other Deck news) - Invidious
18:28 TR News; Canonical is calling a server "private clown" https://ubuntu.com//blog/migrating-to-an-open-source-private-cloud-platform-key-considerations
18:28 TR Bot; to an open-source private cloud platform: key considerations | Ubuntu
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18:30 TR News; What Microsoft-bribed media has been distracting from lately https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-microsoft-exchange-zero-days-actively-exploited-in-attacks/
18:30 TR Bot; New Microsoft Exchange zero-days actively exploited in attacks
18:30 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: we have a new transphobe in this channel
18:30 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_> Oh to be fair I definitely said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago
18:30 schestowitz[TR]; after he got a phd in Cambridge
18:31 DaemonFC; 1995, Boomers..... Me: Mom, you're not sick. Why did you just call in sick? Mom: I can't stand my boss at the hospital and I'm just going to take some time off for myself. Now, I'm going to run in Hills and do some shopping. I hope I don't run into anyone from the hospital.
18:31 schestowitz[TR]; he " definitely said some transphobic shit"
18:31 schestowitz[TR]; just so you are aware
18:31 schestowitz[TR]; so I will address him accordingly from now on
18:31 starstreak; everyone was transphobic 20 years ago though
18:31 schestowitz[TR]; don't make excuses
18:31 DaemonFC; 2022, Boomers: "The Millennials are WEAK! They need 'mental health days'! They're doing this thing at work called QUIET QUITTING!"
18:31 starstreak; hes fighting it now
18:32 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: he's a terrible person and a troll
18:32 schestowitz[TR]; he is trying to distract from the bad things he's doing
18:32 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> after he got a phd in Cambridge
18:32 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: bullshit
18:32 schestowitz[TR]; he's fighting rms
18:32 schestowitz[TR]; he is fightinjg assange
18:32 DaemonFC; Cambridge Analytica?
18:32 schestowitz[TR]; he is fighting torvalds
18:32 DaemonFC; ;)
18:32 schestowitz[TR]; he's just using it
18:32 schestowitz[TR]; do don't play along with his bullshit
18:32 schestowitz[TR]; he's no more trnas than I am
18:33 schestowitz[TR]; and unlike me, he said horrible thingsd about people who had already suffered enough
18:33 schestowitz[TR]; so I'lll call him what he is
18:33 starstreak; hes the only one calling out daemon
18:33 starstreak; besides me
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18:33 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> Cambridge Analytica?
18:33 schestowitz[TR]; CA needs data
18:33 highest_cubist_thrills; everyone was transphobic 20 years ago thoug <- its true, i ran a chain of christian help centres across the midwest to make people straight and cis and white again
18:33 schestowitz[TR]; back doors help with that
18:33 DaemonFC; The Illinois Republican Party has gone so off the rails that I don't think I can vote for any of them. The candidate for Attorney General has a big tattoo on each arm. One says "FREEDOM" and the other says "LIBERTY".
18:33 schestowitz[TR]; so maybe, indirectly he helped that
18:33 DaemonFC; You should see this guy's campaign Web site.
18:33 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> and unlike me, he said horrible thingsd about people who had already suffered enough <- you should start a github petition
18:33 schestowitz[TR]; no, trans are accepted by maybe 5% in the world
18:33 schestowitz[TR]; including women
18:34 schestowitz[TR]; and maybe 20 years ago by 4% in the world
18:34 DaemonFC; I'm seriously considering voting Libertarian this year except for Mark Curran for the Supreme Court.
18:34 schestowitz[TR]; and many just avoid expressing a view on it
18:34 highest_cubist_thrills; /me bets its higher than 5%
18:34 MinceR; 30 182017 < highest_cubist_thrills> this stuff does not belong in free software, it exists solely for non-free shits benefit.
18:34 MinceR; indeed
18:34 highest_cubist_thrills; i knew you got it, mincer
18:34 DaemonFC; We have a full slate of Libertarian candidates this year and the election isn't forecast to be close in most of the races.
18:34 schestowitz[TR]; (note: 5% of the world is like 400 million people)
18:34 MinceR; and there's probably a reason if there's no fork with the nag screen removed
18:34 highest_cubist_thrills; but if i miss out on an opportunity to bitch about it, then who the heck am i
18:34 MinceR; probably that the software isn't worth using anyway
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; anywayt,m back to news
18:35 DaemonFC; Curran is a decent guy, I think.
18:35 highest_cubist_thrills; probably that the software isn't worth using anyway <- yep
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; it's OK
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; no worse than 20 yars ago
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; free software
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; we used to be ina tough situation
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; technically
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; now the infiltrations are a big problem
18:35 highest_cubist_thrills; people see a nag screen on "free software" and the ones who know better are just like "welp, nevermind"
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; not that Microsoft-Novell wasn't that big, too
18:35 DaemonFC; The rest of the Republicans on the ballot look like escapees from Arkham Asylum or something.
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; but that was 2006
18:36 highest_cubist_thrills; now the infiltrations are a big problem <- oh my god, they killed osi. you bastards.
18:36 DaemonFC; With Trump up top as the joker.
18:36 MinceR; 30 193504 < DaemonFC> Curran is a decent guy, I think.
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: good riddance, osi
18:36 MinceR; the guy who played the doctor on Too Many Cooks?
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; that was a gradauyl demise
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; started around 2008 with mac asay
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; he let the microsoft licences in
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; ms-pl
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; there waere other niggling issues in osi back then
18:36 DaemonFC; The Microsoft Pushover License.
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; but the leadership was not too awful
18:37 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, they also opposed spwats
18:37 highest_cubist_thrills; he borrowed niggling from dfc
18:37 DaemonFC; mjg59_, You should use the Microsoft Pushover License in your GitHub.
18:37 schestowitz[TR]; ''his'
18:37 highest_cubist_thrills; (no i know, its not... nothing...)
18:37 DaemonFC; It would be terribly ironic.
18:37 highest_cubist_thrills; the main issue with osi was it was a free software counterrevolution that blew corporations
18:38 TR News; Albanese says Optus has agreed to pay for replacement passports https://itwire.com/security/albanese-says-optus-has-agreed-to-pay-for-replacement-passports.html
18:38 DaemonFC; I wouldn't use github except maybe as a mirror for something else.
18:38 highest_cubist_thrills; esr wanted to call it the "white software militia" but perens said no
18:38 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: what good is it as a mirror?
18:38 schestowitz[TR]; archival?
18:38 schestowitz[TR]; you can use internet archive for that
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; for now at least
18:39 DaemonFC; Yeah, the "I have a million backups of this complete with commit history." thing.
18:39 schestowitz[TR]; among tons of other 'glaxier'-like disservices
18:39 schestowitz[TR]; github might not even exist in 20 years
18:39 schestowitz[TR]; 20 yeras is a very long time
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; whoever put the question mark cashew in wordpress decided to molest the internet archive in a similar fashion
18:39 DaemonFC; I have a lot of console ROMs now.
18:39 schestowitz[TR]; maybe in 10 years they will rebrand it 'azure something';
18:39 DaemonFC; BtrFS compress is nice about dealing with these.
18:39 schestowitz[TR]; if microsoft is still around then
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; thats their typical move
18:39 schestowitz[TR]; a lot of large US firms will fold
18:39 schestowitz[TR]; along with the dying economy
18:39 schestowitz[TR]; and NYSE bubble
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; git.NET
18:39 DaemonFC; You can tell that most people who use these run them on Windows.
18:40 TR Bot; ( status 502 @ https://itwire.com/security/albanese-says-optus-has-agreed-to-pay-for-replacement-passports.html )
18:40 DaemonFC; The emulators have support for pulling them out of ZIP files and running them on the fly.
18:40 schestowitz[TR]; .NET is alteady becoming quite extinct
18:40 DaemonFC; Which you don't actually need with BtrFS, obviously.
18:40 schestowitz[TR]; at least things built with .NET
18:40 schestowitz[TR]; they're "legacy"
18:40 schestowitz[TR]; .netnuke
18:44 TR News; "september's over, which means my monthly artlog is up on my website" gemini://sol.cities.yesterweb.org/stream.gmi
18:45 TR News; "We cover events and user groups that are running in Norway. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-norway/
18:45 TR Bot; Around The World: Norway - LinuxLinks
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18:47 TR News; Intel bribed Linus Torvalds recently (fake new award, made up for him). It wants to turn him into a marketing mascot. https://thenewstack.io/intel-invokes-linus-torvalds-to-push-software-tools/ see https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/x86_Defects_Inside_Linux_Intel_Bribes_Torvalds_With_New_and_Mad.shtml
18:47 TR Bot; Intel Invokes Linus Torvalds to Push Software Tools - The New Stack
18:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines x86 Defects Inside Linux, Intel 'Bribes' Torvalds With New (and Made Up) "Innovation Award"
18:48 TR News; This definitely sounds like a FAKE figure (I can imagine what bogus things they add up): "With IT spending projected to total $4.5 trillion in 2022" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/hybrid-intelligence-bridging-skills-gap
18:48 TR Bot; Hybrid intelligence: Bridging the skills gap | The Enterprisers Project
18:49 TR News; When Red Hat says "modernize, modernize, modernize" it means accept vendor lockin and get entangled in impractical complexity https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/it-leadership-prioritize-remainder-2022
18:49 TR Bot; IT leadership: What to prioritize for the remainder of 2022 | The Enterprisers Project
18:50 TR News; Report on the former community known as Fedora, now an ICBM fossil https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-39-2022/
18:50 TR Bot; CPE Weekly Update - Week 39 2022 Fedora Community Blog
18:51 TR News; F37 still has 1220 open bugs and they plan to go on and on. "754 packages fail to build from source" https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-39/ ICBM sees the community as an OBSTRUCTION and tries to dismantle it: http://techrights.org/2022/09/29/video-on-sourceware/
18:51 TR Bot; Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-39 Fedora Community Blog
18:51 TR Bot; Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Facilitating a Hostile Takeover by Corporations (Privatising Free Software) | Techrights
18:52 TR News; ICBM: we never stopped helping nazis http://techrights.org/2022/08/19/elana-hashman-cancel-culture/
18:52 TR Bot; IBM/Azures Elana Hashman, Only Two Months After Starting a Campaign to Delete RMS, Said Israel Should Not Exist | Techrights
18:53 TR News; ICBM operates on the assumption that GPL is BS and if ICBM can destroy the GNU/Linux community, then people will have no choice but to buy RHEL subscriptions. This won't end well.
18:55 TR News; ICBM troll: I never "missed out" on saying "transphobic shit" and preying on FOSS events in pursuit of sex.
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19:06 starstreak; jeez, everytime pandoc has it update, it updates like 30 haskel packages too
19:06 MinceR; https://apina.biz/191997.jpg?mode=sfw
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19:25 MinceR; https://apina.biz/191955.png?mode=sfw
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19:27 TR News; Matthew Garrett Admits Being a Transphobic Adult Before Choosing to Weaponise This to Defame and Then Cancel People Who Arent Transphobic | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/matthew-garrett-transphobic/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/matthew-garrett-transphobic/
19:27 TR Bot; Matthew Garrett Admits Being a Transphobic Adult Before Choosing to Weaponise This to Defame and Then Cancel People Who Arent Transphobic | Techrights
19:28 TR News; Balls in sport: Their impact on the planet and searching for sustainable solutions - BBC Sport https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/62022644 "I was not not aware of this...until today."-rianne
19:28 TR Bot; Balls in sport: Their impact on the planet and searching for sustainable solutions - BBC Sport
19:30 TR News; Hiems appropinquat gopher://sdfeu.org:70/0/users/glaciurso/phlog/2022-09-30__Hiems_appropinquat.md
19:31 TR News; (NEW): Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Fedora_Red_Hat_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Fedora_Red_Hat_Leftovers.gmi
19:31 TR Bot; Tux Machines Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers
19:32 MinceR; https://nitter.it/DarthPutinKGB/status/1575851485241696256
19:32 TR Bot; Putin (@DarthPutinKGB): "Another of my neighbors applies to join NATO..."|nitter.it
19:33 TR News; Gift on display... along with Intel marketing brochures https://www.phoronix.com/news/Arc-Graphics-A750-A770-Linux also see https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/x86_Defects_Inside_Linux_Intel_Bribes_Torvalds_With_New_and_Mad.shtml
19:33 TR Bot; Arc Graphics A750 + A770 Are Ready To Run On Open-Source Linux Drivers - Phoronix
19:33 TR News; "along with the changes to make it vrooooooooooooooooooooooooooom." https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18858
19:33 TR Bot; zink: enable glthread by default (!18858) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
19:35 TR News; Kmail Message List Tabs - CubicleNates Techpad https://cubiclenate.com/2022/09/30/kmail-message-list-tabs/ Source: CubicleNate | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//cubiclenate.com/2022/09/30/kmail-message-list-tabs/
19:35 TR Bot; Message List Tabs CubicleNate's Techpad
19:39 TR News; Sponsored puff piece https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/interview/red-hat-openstack-17-targets-telco-stability/2022/09/
19:39 TR Bot; Hat OpenStack 17 Targets Telco Stability - SDxCentral
19:40 TR News; Too many publishers 'forget' to mention that IBM/Red Hat pays them for the fluff.
19:41 TR News; Liaison with two companies that profited from Hitler's wars and genocides https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2022/09/22/qualcomm-announces-new-automotive-partnerships-with-mercedes-benz-and-red-hat/
19:41 TR Bot; Qualcomm Announces New Automotive Partnerships With Mercedes-Benz And Red Hat
19:44 TR News; "Writing data is easy. You take in the information and put it away for future use. Its remembering exactly what you wrote and where you put it thats the challenge." https://www.redhat.com/en/compiler-podcast/data-baeses
19:44 TR Bot; Compiler: Data-baeses
19:45 TR News; Gizmo makes overly silent computers noisy again - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/30/hdd_clicker/ Source: The Register UK | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theregister.com/2022/09/30/hdd_clicker/
19:45 TR Bot; Gizmo makes overly silent computers noisy again The Register
19:46 TR News; "RPMs of PHP version 8.1.11 are available in remi-modular repository for Fedora 35 and Enterprise Linux 8 (RHEL, Alma, CentOS, Rocky...) and in remi-php81 repository for EL 7." https://blog.remirepo.net/post/2022/09/30/PHP-version-7.4.32-8.0.24-and-8.1.11
19:46 TR Bot; PHP version 7.4.32, 8.0.24 and 8.1.11 - Remi's RPM repository - Blog
19:46 TR News; openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/39 https://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2022/09/opensuse-tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2022-39/
19:46 TR Bot; openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/39 Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*)
19:50 TR News; Spam disguised thinly... as technical advice https://www.techradar.com/news/leading-vpn-is-now-supporting-linux www = webspam
19:50 TR Bot; users can now secure their data with this leading VPN | TechRadar
19:50 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi
19:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
19:57 TR News; Ubuntu used to report to Amazon what people searched locally on their own PCs; this is complete takeover, including files and activities https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/30/ubuntu_amazon_virtual_desktop/
19:57 TR Bot; Ubuntu Pro comes to Amazon WorkSpaces The Register
20:08 TR News; Trollish clickbait from Brian Fagioli again https://betanews.com/2022/09/30/ubuntu-linux-2210-kinetic-kudu-beta/
20:08 TR Bot; Don't install Ubuntu Linux 22.10 'Kinetic Kudu' Beta (unless you are a cool dude)
20:10 TR News; "4. Install Linux on It" https://www.makeuseof.com/ways-to-reuse-old-mac/
20:10 TR Bot; 9 Useful Ways to Reuse an Old Mac
20:11 TR News; Even in his very own words, his hypocritical campaigning is shown to be little but opportunism, misrepresenting vulnerable groups in the name of protecting them (and not even engaging politely, just defaming, cursing, stalking, trolling, threatening and blackmailing people) http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/matthew-garrett-transphobic/
20:12 TR News; (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.gmi
20:12 TR Bot; Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers
20:16 TR News; (NEW): Adoption on GNU/Linux on Desktop/Laptop http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Adoption_on_GNU_Linux_on_Desktop_Laptop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Adoption_on_GNU_Linux_on_Desktop_Laptop.gmi
20:16 TR Bot; Tux Machines Adoption on GNU/Linux on Desktop/Laptop
20:16 TR News; (NEW): Games: Stadia, Doom, and Steam Deck http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Games_Stadia_Doom_and_Steam_Deck.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Games_Stadia_Doom_and_Steam_Deck.gmi
20:16 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Stadia, Doom, and Steam Deck
20:17 TR News; ESP32 https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/30/t-embed-is-a-battery-powered-wifi-controller-with-display-and-rotary-encoder/
20:17 TR Bot; T-Embed is a battery powered WiFi controller with display and rotary encoder - CNX Software
20:19 TR News; "The ESP32 DevKitC V4 is now selling with the ESP-WROOM-DA module with two PCB antennas that was introduced last year in order to offer a longer WiFi range and better reliability." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/30/esp32-devkitc-v4-iot-development-board-ships-with-esp-wroom-da-dual-antenna-module/
20:19 TR Bot; ESP32 DevKitC V4 IoT development board ships with ESP-WROOM-DA dual antenna module - CNX Software
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20:20 TR News; Citrix is just and it moreover employs trolls in our communities... people who lead efforts to overthrow RMS and Linus Torvalds, based on some libel. https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/30/citrix_xen/
20:20 TR Bot; How Citrix dropped the Xen ball ... according to Citrix The Register
20:21 TR News; This headline might be a falsehood or a loaded statement https://containerjournal.com/features/containers-vs-virtual-machines-why-containers-are-more-popular/
20:21 TR Bot; Containers Vs. Virtual Machines: Why Containers are More Popular - Container Journal
20:23 TR News; "Speaking of distributions, you get a word search puzzle centered around distro names in this edition. The answers for the previous week's crossword are also here." https://news.itsfoss.com/foss-weekly-22-36/ "FOSS Weekly" creates confusion ("FLOSS Weekly" is like 14 years old)
20:23 TR Bot; FOSS Weekly #22.36: Ubuntu 22.10 Beta, KDE Theming, Loop Devices and More
20:24 TR News; "Today is a great day! Im in Barcelona (typing this from my hotel room) to meet a good chunk of KDE for Akademy 2022. I cant wait its been a long time since the last edition was in person." https://ervin.ipsquad.net/blog/2022/09/30/akademy-irl-at-last/ if there's sex, invite mjg so he doesn't "miss out"
20:24 TR Bot; Akademy IRL at Last! - ervin
20:25 TR News; Penpot inks $8M as signups for its open source spin on Figma jump 5600% after Adobes $20B acquisition move https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/27/penpot-inks-8m-as-signups-for-its-open-source-spin-on-figma-jump-5600-after-adobes-20b-acquisition-move/ Source: TechCrunch
20:25 TR Bot; inks $8M as signups for its open source spin on Figma jump 5600% after Adobe's $20B acquisition move TechCrunch
20:26 TR News; Kevin Ottens: "This is indeed a concerning move its not about legacy, its about closing an ecosystem." https://boston.conman.org//2022/09/22.1
20:26 TR Bot; received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. ( status 0 @ https://boston.conman.org//2022/09/22.1 )
20:26 TR News; The appeal of small computers AndreGarzia.com https://andregarzia.com/2022/09/The-appeal-of-small-computers.html
20:26 TR Bot; appeal of small computers AndreGarzia.com
20:27 TR News; Cargo cult taken for a ride https://medium.com/volvo-cars-engineering/why-volvo-thinks-you-should-have-rust-in-your-car-4320bd639e09
20:27 TR Bot; Rust is actually good for your car. | by Johannes Foufas | Volvo Cars Engineering | Sep, 2022 | Medium
20:28 TR News; Making python fast for free - adventures with mypyc MeadSteves Dev Blog https://blog.meadsteve.dev/programming/2022/09/27/making-python-fast-for-free/
20:28 TR Bot; Making python fast for free - adventures with mypyc MeadSteve's Dev Blog
20:29 TR News; Want cleaner code? Use the rule of six https://davidamos.dev/the-rule-of-six/
20:29 TR Bot; Want cleaner code? Use the rule of six
20:30 TR News; Learning is Remembering https://saveall.ai/blog/learning-is-remembering
20:30 TR Bot; Learning is Remembering
20:31 TR News; Be critical or be corrupted https://www.cenizal.com/be-critical-or-be-corrupted/ Source: cenizal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cenizal.com/be-critical-or-be-corrupted/
20:31 TR Bot; Be critical or be corrupted
20:32 TR News; Guiding principle: Think Big, Work Small | by Jason Yip | Sep, 2022 | Medium https://jchyip.medium.com/guiding-principle-think-big-work-small-8fb1fce6dd97
20:32 TR Bot; Guiding principle: Think Big, Work Small | by Jason Yip | Sep, 2022 | Medium
20:32 TR News; Complexity and software engineering | Well, quite. https://wellquite.org/posts/complexity/ Source: wellquite | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//wellquite.org/posts/complexity/
20:32 TR Bot; Complexity and software engineering | Well, quite.
20:33 TR News; "Its time for one of those bugs story. This one was introduced earlier but its related to The story of the 20 million queries per hour, not a consequence of that mistake, but it shares some related context." https://kinduff.com/2022/09/28/the-4-minute-bug/
20:33 TR Bot; 4 minute bug | Alejandro AR (kinduff)
20:37 TR News; Spamnil has just published spam for Microsoft and OSI, in effect helping a Microsoft sponsored campaign to encourage GPL violations under the guise of "HEY HI". This is Linux Foundation-funded attack on the GPL!!!!
20:53 TR News; ZDNet Used to Write About 3 Linux Stories Per Day. But Now... | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/evidence-of-zdnet-dying/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/evidence-of-zdnet-dying/
20:53 TR Bot; ZDNet Used to Write About 3 Linux Stories Per Day. But Now | Techrights
20:54 TR News; ZDNet is Dying http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet#2022
20:54 TR Bot; ZDNet - Techrights
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21:24 TR News; Intel Treats Linus Torvalds as a Marketing Mascot | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/linus-torvalds-award/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/linus-torvalds-award/
21:24 TR Bot; Intel Treats Linus Torvalds as a Marketing Mascot | Techrights
21:32 TR News; Intel also using Gosling (Java) as a marketing stunt https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PIJL2BGjL-4
21:32 TR Bot; Intel Innovation 2022 Day 2 Keynote Replay - Invidious
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21:38 TR News; Among other highlights: Red Hat shilling Intel (Wright), some people with poor presentation skills, cheesy slides (GALAXIES! To represent small scale!), and Windows. They say "Linux operating system" but it is a kernel only. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PIJL2BGjL-4
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21:44 AdmFubar; https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/30/apple-korea-offices-raided-antitrust-regulator/
21:44 TR Bot; Korea Offices Raided by Antitrust Regulators Over Allegations It Charges Developers 33% Commission - MacRumors
21:46 TR News; Says AMD-sponsored 'writer' https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Zen-4-Mitigations-Off
21:46 TR Bot; AMD Zen 4, It's Surprisingly Not Worthwhile Disabling CPU Security Mitigations - Phoronix
21:46 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: in youtube it's 40$
21:46 schestowitz[TR]; iirc
21:46 schestowitz[TR]; AdmFubar: I mean
21:46 schestowitz[TR]; 40% commission
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; for the ads
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; gulag takes 40%
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; but it's hard to find verifiable proof
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; man y vloggers say it's 40%
21:48 TR News; World's Weakest Linux User - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-sfAqULIqdo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/-sfAqULIqdo
21:48 TR Bot; World's Weakest Linux User - Invidious
21:48 highest_cubist_thrills; they should take 5 cents
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; not 50 cent?
21:48 MinceR; not 5 dorra?
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; by dr. dre?
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, appel bought beats?
21:48 MinceR; yes
21:48 MinceR; best fit ever
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; two fashiomn items
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; all hype
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; high pricing
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; for plastic made in china
21:49 MinceR; extremely low quality
21:49 MinceR; functionless pieces of arbitrary material considered to be hallmarks of quality
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; i never tried
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; but it seems to be advertised for wannabe elitists
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; who brag about the cost
21:50 MinceR; in beats headphones: functionless metal weights as the hallmarks of quality
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; but it's from a doctor
21:50 MinceR; in crApple phones: functionless piece of glass as the hallmark of quality
21:50 MinceR; lol
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; "are you a real doctor, due?" -dr dre album
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; *dude
21:51 highest_cubist_thrills; in fsf: neopuritan witchhunts as the hallmark of quality
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21:51 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=n8zhUYCOS-c
21:51 TR Bot; Dr. Dre - The Chronic (FULL ALBUM) - Invidious
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21:51 MinceR; did fsf even pretend to care about quality?
21:52 highest_cubist_thrills; we will not tolerate: racism sexism anticapitalism whistleblowing...
21:52 MinceR; what i keep hearing from them is basically "we don't care how crap and broken it is as long as it's free"
21:52 highest_cubist_thrills; did fsf even pretend to care about quality? <- unmistakably, yes. debateably? yes.
21:52 MinceR; and lately that "free" means "licensed under an open source license"
21:52 highest_cubist_thrills; "as long as it's free" thats the new fsf
21:52 highest_cubist_thrills; granted the new fsf is nothing new
21:52 highest_cubist_thrills; and its nothing gnu
21:53 highest_cubist_thrills; free software, we hardly gnu ye
21:53 TR News; Larabel: the voice of x86. Will take money for endorsements...
21:53 *rowbee (~augh@freenode-j20rl4.4u0f.d8e9.59jtia.IP) has joined #techrights
21:53 highest_cubist_thrills; alas, poor yorick, i gnu him
21:53 TR News; Intel's latest event was an embarrassment. What was Torvalds thinking????
21:54 highest_cubist_thrills; me holds up gnu skull
21:54 TR News; "This is a Linux Foundation-funded attack on the GPL, Linuxs licence. And its not just GPL violations but licence violations in general and across the board. Microsoft controls the narrative and encourages abuses against Free software." http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/evidence-of-zdnet-dying/
21:54 TR Bot; ZDNet Used to Write About 3 Linux Stories Per Day. But Now | Techrights
21:54 TR News; "Intel uploaded this video a couple of days ago (14:08-15:09); see the press reports below and the portion above (he doesnt look like he wanted to be there, but maybe his bosses at Linux Foundation forced him to, as he's not truly in control of his job anymore)" http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/linus-torvalds-award/
21:54 TR Bot; Intel Treats Linus Torvalds as a Marketing Mascot | Techrights
21:55 highest_cubist_thrills; "as long as it's free" thats the new fsf <- i believe this goes back to late 2011 precisely
21:56 highest_cubist_thrills; of course thats where the evidence points. it could be more or less than that.
21:56 highest_cubist_thrills; your warnings about systemd in this channel also go back to about the same time...
21:56 highest_cubist_thrills; late 2011, if not earlier 2011.
21:56 highest_cubist_thrills; coincidence? perhaps
21:56 highest_cubist_thrills; interesting coincidence? i think so
21:56 TR News; This CISA post has failed to say that 67% of it is about Microsoft, and specifically zero-days already exploited with severe consequences (espionage and blackmail) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/30/cisa-adds-three-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
21:56 TR Bot; CISA Adds Three Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA
21:57 highest_cubist_thrills; ofc this assumes that systemd was a plot from the beginning
21:57 highest_cubist_thrills; idk if it is
21:57 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, suppose the attackers were going to hit the twin towers anyway
21:57 TR News; But this post does speak about it https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/30/microsoft-releases-guidance-zero-day-vulnerabilities-microsoft
21:57 highest_cubist_thrills; and the gov didnt set that up, they just said
21:57 TR Bot; Microsoft Releases Guidance on Zero-Day Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Exchange Server | CISA
21:57 highest_cubist_thrills; "well, this is convenient"
21:58 highest_cubist_thrills; "we wrote half the patriot act in 1995, now theyre finally giving us a reason to dust it off and run it through the"
21:58 highest_cubist_thrills; IM A BILL, IM A BILL, ON CAPITOL HILL!
21:59 highest_cubist_thrills; IF YOU DONT PASS ME NOW THEN THE TERRORISTS WILL!
21:59 TR News; Probably just JavaScript at it again (have not checked) https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/30/mozilla-releases-security-update-thunderbird
21:59 TR Bot; Mozilla Releases Security Updatefor Thunderbird | CISA
21:59 highest_cubist_thrills; so idk if systemd was a plot dating back to 2011
21:59 highest_cubist_thrills; but thats pretty much when rms threw in the towel
21:59 TR News; "A remote attacker could exploitsomeof these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/30/cisco-releases-security-updates-multiple-products
21:59 TR Bot; Cisco Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA
22:00 highest_cubist_thrills; "if its shitty then you just put a free license on it" oh-oh! oh-oh! oh-oh! oh no-no!
22:00 highest_cubist_thrills; before that it was "we try to make this not suck, but if it does, at least someones allowed to fix it"
22:01 highest_cubist_thrills; after 2011: yes its pure evil but the license is like honey badger
22:01 highest_cubist_thrills; and honey badger dont care
22:01 highest_cubist_thrills; 2015: dont use github. gnu will not use github
22:01 highest_cubist_thrills; also 2015: ok boomer
22:02 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show how to install SpiralLinux 11.220925" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EisQG1pT5sQ
22:02 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=EisQG1pT5sQ
22:02 highest_cubist_thrills; 2022: gnu still moving towards microsoft, not away
22:02 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=EisQG1pT5sQ )
22:02 highest_cubist_thrills; 2018 (4 years ago!) this is where they should have saod "OH FUCK, richard, sorry!"
22:02 highest_cubist_thrills; duix duix duix duix duix
22:03 highest_cubist_thrills; actually gnu radio were the worst about it
22:03 highest_cubist_thrills; actually talking to other gnu developers like theyre shit for even suggesting github was a bad idea, for mentioning that stallman was concerned about it
22:03 highest_cubist_thrills; so to say the coup started in 2019 is silly. 2018 at the latest.
22:04 highest_cubist_thrills; in gnu, maybe even earlier.
22:04 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman wasnt the only one who stopped caring how much gnu sucks
22:04 TR News; Nick shows VERY profound misunderstanding of what patent trolls are https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OFApPqQq-xA also, ICBM (company that controls Fedora) is WEAPONISING trolls; ICBM itself is a troll and it lobbies FOR software patents http://techrights.org/2017/08/31/finjan-blue-and-ibm/
22:04 TR Bot; Fedora patent trolls itself, RIP Stadia, PopOS goes yearly - Linux & Open Source News - Invidious
22:04 TR Bot; IBM Helps a Microsoft-Connected Patent Troll Create Another Trolling Branch, Known as Finjan Blue | Techrights
22:05 highest_cubist_thrills; 2021: gnu trademark fraud by several of its own developers, debian dpls and ibm gcc traitors
22:05 highest_cubist_thrills; and the fsf does nothing
22:05 highest_cubist_thrills; so they clearly dont care about gnu either
22:05 highest_cubist_thrills; since 2014-15 theyve all sat by while it circles down the drain like the debian logo itself.
22:05 highest_cubist_thrills; "what? free license!"
22:06 highest_cubist_thrills; fsf was smarter than that before 2011.
22:06 highest_cubist_thrills; no, they were. dont rewrite the history
22:06 highest_cubist_thrills; its incredibly relevant that they STOPPED caring. they cared before that.
22:06 highest_cubist_thrills; they had actual principles they walked away from
22:07 TR News; "Parrot 5.1 is here six months after Parrot 5.0 and is powered by Linux kernel 5.18." https://9to5linux.com/security-oriented-distro-parrot-5-1-arrives-with-anonsurf-4-linux-kernel-5-18-and-more
22:07 TR Bot; Distro Parrot 5.1 Arrives with AnonSurf 4, Linux Kernel 5.18, and More - 9to5Linux
22:11 TR News; Kubuntu Kinetic Kudu (22.10) Beta Released https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-kinetic-kudu-22-10-beta-released/
22:11 TR Bot; Kubuntu Kinetic Kudu (22.10) Beta Released | Kubuntu
22:13 TR News; Reproducible Builds (diffoscope): diffoscope 223 released https://diffoscope.org/news/diffoscope-223-released/
22:13 TR Bot; diffoscope 223 released
22:14 TR News; "Corporate subscriptions are also available." Reposted again today https://www.phoronix.com/news/Last-Call-2022-Autumn-Sale see http://techrights.org/2022/09/16/landing-big-cash-on-phoronix/
22:14 TR Bot; The Last Call For The 2022 Phoronix Premium Oktoberfest/Autumn Special - Phoronix
22:14 TR Bot; Passing Corporate Money Instead of Just Gifts | Techrights
22:14 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.3.gmi
22:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; im not saying that 2011 came and they said "welp, fuck everything"
22:15 highest_cubist_thrills; that was a key moment. im sure there were others since then.
22:15 highest_cubist_thrills; 2018 came and thought policing lieplanet was a higher priority than github
22:15 highest_cubist_thrills; both for the fsf and gnu
22:15 MinceR; (cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/1VDSOYG
22:15 TR Bot; Hoping to Make Your Day a Little Better - rimgo
22:16 highest_cubist_thrills; and liepplanet certainly had zero fucks to give about microsoft taking over everything
22:16 highest_cubist_thrills; they should have gone to defcon 5 over that
22:16 highest_cubist_thrills; if defcon 5 is sitting around with your thumb in your arse i guess they did
22:17 TR News; "I recently read this little article laying out the various reasons, from recent research, to think that there might be life elsewhere in the universe, or rather that the odds look better than they used to look." gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20220930-0.gmi
22:17 highest_cubist_thrills; join us so we can do nothing for your freedom!
22:17 highest_cubist_thrills; join us so we can outsource your freedom to our biggest enemy!
22:17 TR News; THE PINNACLE OF TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT. Wallpapers!!!!!! https://www.maketecheasier.com/phone-call-background-samsung/
22:17 TR Bot; 9 Tips to Customize the Call Background on Samsung Galaxy Phones - Make Tech Easier
22:17 highest_cubist_thrills; pay us so we can staff a microsoft-owned sweatshop for christs sake!
22:17 highest_cubist_thrills; by 2018 they really did give zero fucks about freedom
22:18 highest_cubist_thrills; 2015 people were begging them to fight.
22:18 highest_cubist_thrills; PLEASE help!
22:18 highest_cubist_thrills; fsf: free license, so NYEH
22:18 highest_cubist_thrills; people should have left by the hundreds then
22:19 highest_cubist_thrills; but they stuck it out, waiting for the fsf to stop being stupid
22:19 highest_cubist_thrills; never happened
22:19 highest_cubist_thrills; closest they came to doing the right thing in the past decade-- the past decade--
22:19 highest_cubist_thrills; is pretending to bring stallman back.
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:20 TR News; Server And Storage Spending Moves The Sticks Out Through 2026 https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/30/server-and-storage-spending-moves-the-sticks-out-through-2026/ Source: The Next Platform
22:20 TR Bot; Server And Storage Spending Moves The Sticks Out Through 2026
22:20 highest_cubist_thrills; now, i dont know when the prism/snowden stuff was
22:20 highest_cubist_thrills; so that was good too
22:20 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe that was their last real effort
22:20 highest_cubist_thrills; that was about a decade ago too.
22:20 highest_cubist_thrills; but if it was 2012/13 then whatever
22:22 starstreak; why is it that irc clients only get like one update per year
22:22 starstreak; looks like hexchat hasn't really been updated all that much
22:22 highest_cubist_thrills; how many should they need
22:22 TR News; LOL. He only lift that off the ground. I could do a full press at that weight. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-sfAqULIqdo
22:22 TR Bot; World's Weakest Linux User - Invidious
22:22 starstreak; i worry about exploits
22:22 starstreak; irssi went a few years without an update a while back
22:23 highest_cubist_thrills; run critical shit off irc and see what happens :)
22:23 starstreak; plus i would love a gtk3 hexchat, its gtk2 :/
22:23 starstreak; its not modern enough
22:24 TR News; Could do 150 in my 30s. About 170 in my 20s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj2nowgliEI
22:24 TR Bot; https://y.com.sb/watch?v=oj2nowgliEI
22:24 TR Bot; y.com.sb | Roy lifts 150.0 KG - Invidious
22:24 starstreak; come on, add new features or something
22:24 starstreak; i want to be excited about the next release
22:24 starstreak; i think konversation updates frequently
22:25 starstreak; ideally, a gtk4 irc client would be wanted
22:25 TR News; Using libsodium gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2022-09-30-using-libsodium.gmi
22:26 TR News; Patterns in noise gemini://oberdada.pollux.casa/gemlog/2022-09-30_patterns_control.gmi
22:26 TR News; (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Today_in_Techrights.gmi
22:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
22:26 TR News; (NEW): This Week in GNOME #63: Experiments and Prototypes http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/This_Week_in_GNOME_63_Experiments_and_Prototypes.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/This_Week_in_GNOME_63_Experiments_and_Prototypes.gmi
22:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines This Week in GNOME #63: Experiments and Prototypes
22:26 starstreak; i remember back in the day you could download pre-cracked versions of mIRC with cool themes and additional scripts for pirate content gathering
22:28 highest_cubist_thrills; ideally, a gtk4 irc client <- theres nothing ideal about gtk4
22:28 highest_cubist_thrills; its straight to hell from here
22:29 starstreak; its like hexchat just forked and its been in maintenance mode ever since
22:29 starstreak; why cant hexchat have a file server
22:29 TR News; Cloud-Native Apps Driving Major IT Data Crisis - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/cloud-native-apps-driving-major-it-data-crisis/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//containerjournal.com/features/cloud-native-apps-driving-major-it-data-crisis/
22:29 TR Bot; Cloud-Native Apps Driving Major IT Data Crisis - Container Journal
22:30 highest_cubist_thrills; and its been in maintenance mode <- stability, the #1 enemy of hipsters
22:31 TR News; From Infrastructure as Code to Policy as Code https://fale.io/blog/2022/09/30/from-infrastructure-as-code-to-policy-as-code Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//fale.io/blog/2022/09/30/from-infrastructure-as-code-to-policy-as-code
22:31 TR Bot; NO TITLE
22:31 TR News; ArcoLinux 22.10.02 is out https://www.arcolinux.info/
22:31 TR Bot; ArcoLinux | ArcoLinux
22:31 highest_cubist_thrills; they should add more bugs so they can fix something and look cared for
22:32 TR News; HID: logitech-hidpp: Detect hi-res scrolling support https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/hid/hid.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=908d325e1665b2781085580070554cbbe5fc3c89
22:32 TR Bot; kernel/git/hid/hid.git - HID Group's fork of hid.git
22:32 highest_cubist_thrills; granted maybe theres a vulnerability. someone should certainly look
22:32 highest_cubist_thrills; one of the cool things that the "masturbating monkeys" at openbsd do
22:32 TR News; amdgpu drm-fixes-6.0 https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2022-September/374452.html
22:32 TR Bot; [pull] amdgpu drm-fixes-6.0
22:32 highest_cubist_thrills; is create an os that stress tests security in applications, finding bugs that no one else knew were there
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; then disclosing them responsibly
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; so if no one else is checking hexchat for problems
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; openbsd might uncover one anyway
22:34 highest_cubist_thrills; and then this doesnt only benefit openbsd users
22:34 highest_cubist_thrills; but anyone who uses hexchat potentially
22:34 starstreak; konversation doesn't even support scripts
22:34 highest_cubist_thrills; not bad for "masturbating monkeys"
22:34 starstreak; I could write a script for hexchat to serve files I guess
22:34 starstreak; that might be a project to get me into programming
22:35 highest_cubist_thrills; thatd be cool
22:35 TR News; (NEW): Videos: News, HowTos, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Videos_News_HowTos_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Videos_News_HowTos_and_More.gmi
22:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: News, HowTos, and More
22:35 TR News; (NEW): Server: Clown Computing, Containers, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Server_Clown_Computing_Containers_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Server_Clown_Computing_Containers_and_More.gmi
22:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines Server: Clown Computing, Containers, and More
22:35 highest_cubist_thrills; better yet, put it on notabug instead of github
22:35 starstreak; cuz like i want to find a way to share my occult book collection
22:35 highest_cubist_thrills; its run by a not-for-profit rather than reptilians
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; lol
22:36 starstreak; if its not reptilians its the neanderthals
22:36 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.2.gmi
22:36 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
22:36 highest_cubist_thrills; https://github.com/janice/opentaxidermy
22:36 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://github.com/janice/opentaxidermy )
22:36 schestowitz[TR]; hopefully treated as the fiction it is
22:37 highest_cubist_thrills; yes roy all occult books come with a warning that says "roy thinks this is nonsense"
22:37 highest_cubist_thrills; "become a vegan and stop reading this tripe, please"
22:37 starstreak; i got the AI art generator to make some really cool neanderthal cyborgs
22:37 highest_cubist_thrills; /me types "lesbian seagull" into stable diffusion
22:37 starstreak; i put them into my latest article
22:38 highest_cubist_thrills; someone should make an ai like co-pilot that turns stable diffusion into free software
22:39 highest_cubist_thrills; thats what mjg and i were talking about (not entirely)
22:39 schestowitz[TR]; it's not hey hi
22:39 highest_cubist_thrills; i still think reda is being naive
22:39 schestowitz[TR]; copilot is plagiarism search
22:39 schestowitz[TR]; na offers code portions without attribution
22:40 schestowitz[TR]; that's what it is
22:40 schestowitz[TR]; a blender fo code with fuzzy search
22:40 highest_cubist_thrills; im interested in to what degree thats true
22:40 schestowitz[TR]; spun as "HEY HI"
22:40 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe stable diffusion is plagiarism too
22:40 schestowitz[TR]; and tempting people to violate licences
22:40 schestowitz[TR]; without havign to "worry" about it
22:40 *MinceR typed "steven seagull" into craiyon, but the results were boring
22:40 highest_cubist_thrills; but because it exists, for better or worse, these are questions being asked.
22:40 schestowitz[TR]; all this HEY HI hype is inane/insane
22:41 highest_cubist_thrills; and tempting people to violate licences <- temptation is a moot point when everyones already gone to hell.
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; OSI is lying
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; it's paid by Microsoft to googlebomb the topic
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; and legitimiese what Microsoft and criminal Graveley are doing
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; OSI is finished
22:41 highest_cubist_thrills; "whenever i get sentenced to another eternity i put a gold star here!"-- satan, normalbobsmith.com
22:44 highest_cubist_thrills; github and ibm and google are going to be utterly shocked when the ottowa junta mows them all down
22:44 highest_cubist_thrills; "thatll teach you all to mess with canada, eh"
22:44 highest_cubist_thrills; "dont say we didnt warn you, buddy!"
22:47 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean theres the cia, the nsa, the kosa nostra, the illuminati, the ravaging hoardes of genghis khan
22:47 highest_cubist_thrills; and then theres canada revenue
22:48 highest_cubist_thrills; dont fuck with canada revenue
22:48 Ariadne; fwiw i think that ML models need to fall under a different regulatory regime than FOSS
22:48 Ariadne; the OSI guy seems to think that means i agree with whatever they are doing (which i probably don't)
22:48 highest_cubist_thrills; why
22:49 Ariadne; highest_cubist_thrills: i think that ML models should not be allowed to be proprietary
22:49 highest_cubist_thrills; and how does that not work out to "free software can do anything except machine learning"
22:49 highest_cubist_thrills; at which point ml becomes the thing you add to every piece of software to make it proprietary again
22:49 Ariadne; free software itself can evaluate ML models all it wishes
22:50 highest_cubist_thrills; but
22:50 Ariadne; the reality is that an ML model is *not* code, at least not in the sense that normal software is code
22:50 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/irony-2
22:50 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Irony
22:50 highest_cubist_thrills; can ml not simply become the ultimate tool for laundering inputs though?
22:50 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean maybe it should. i doubt it, but i dont know.
22:51 Ariadne; well things like copilot are just copyright violations, full stop
22:51 highest_cubist_thrills; okay
22:51 Ariadne; they ingested source code, stripped copyright and license texts from the corpus
22:51 TR News; Millions of Brits Are Currently COVID-19 Carriers https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/30/millions-of-brits-are-currently-covid-19-carriers/
22:51 TR Bot; Blog Archive Millions of Brits Are Currently COVID-19 Carriers
22:51 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the accusation yes
22:52 highest_cubist_thrills; /me has noted that ariadnes stance on things mjg says, when it differs, is often more reasinable
22:52 Ariadne; (well, i don't know that they stripped copyright/license text from the corpus, but the end result is the same, you cannot find the copyright/license text that is associated with a given fragment of code in the model)
22:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean thats not saying a lot by itself, but at least its better
22:52 highest_cubist_thrills; but the end result is the same <- right
22:52 schestowitz[TR]; you need to consider where copilot came from
22:52 schestowitz[TR]; and how
22:52 Ariadne; anyway, ML models (and the corpuses used to build them) must be publicly auditable
22:52 highest_cubist_thrills; hence my use of the word laundering
22:52 schestowitz[TR]; a serial plagiarist
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; who did it many times
22:53 highest_cubist_thrills; like microsoft itself
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; and got caught
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; in between drug trips
22:53 highest_cubist_thrills; and other trips
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; he built a career on fraud
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; like relabeled etherpad as his own work
22:53 highest_cubist_thrills; who
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; and getting a job based on this lie
22:53 AdmFubar; nice interactive code on the page to tour the solar system., planet moons, asteroids, and space probes are featured https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasas-juno-shares-first-image-from-flyby-of-jupiters-moon-europa
22:53 Ariadne; and some uses of ML should just be outright banned
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; Graveley
22:53 TR Bot; NASAs Juno Shares First Image From Flyby of Jupiters Moon Europa
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; horrible person
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; many victims
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; some uses of ML should just be outright banned <- how
22:54 schestowitz[TR]; so they made a laundry machine for code
22:54 schestowitz[TR]; to attack compliance and enforcement
22:54 Ariadne; highest_cubist_thrills: there are already regulatory frameworks proposed in EU that ban companies from using ML models in certain ways
22:54 schestowitz[TR]; EU is behind
22:54 schestowitz[TR]; it doesn't even underatand these issues
22:55 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/buzzwords-from-brussels/
22:55 TR Bot; A Soup of Buzzwords From Brussels (the European Commission) | Techrights
22:55 schestowitz[TR]; we tried to explain to them
22:55 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
22:55 Ariadne; right, the issue with ML models is far more severe than even EU understands it to be
22:55 highest_cubist_thrills; one example?
22:55 Ariadne; credit scoring
22:55 schestowitz[TR]; EPO uses "HEY HI" as a pretext to grant swpats
22:56 highest_cubist_thrills; ew...
22:56 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah
22:56 schestowitz[TR]; from 2% grant rate to maybe over 50%
22:56 schestowitz[TR]; "coz hey hi"
22:56 highest_cubist_thrills; theres also compass in the usa
22:56 highest_cubist_thrills; thats fucked.
22:56 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/epo-shape-of-things-to-come/
22:56 TR Bot; The EPO Bubble Part XII The Shape of Things to Come? | Techrights
22:56 Ariadne; a proprietary ML model should not be used for credit scoring, because it harms the public
22:56 schestowitz[TR]; the programmers also embed biases
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; and nobody can be held accountable
22:57 Ariadne; (i have no objection to ML models being used for this where the public can understand what has gone into them)
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; in social controol media they do censorship this nway
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; and let it run off
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; nobody accountable
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; "your tweet said 5g... BANNED!"
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; or meophis
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; memphis
22:58 schestowitz[TR]; tweet mentioned "bill gates"...BANNED
22:58 Ariadne; yes, that's another area where ML models are a problem. there are companies with proprietary models which evaluate the social posts of students/employees and alert authorities if they deem these posts to be indicative of a threat
22:58 schestowitz[TR]; obv. "qanon"
22:59 TR News; Researchers in Japan see hope in method to breed hard-to-farm squid | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220913_09/ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220913_09/
22:59 TR Bot; Researchers in Japan see hope in method to breed hard-to-farm squid | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News
22:59 Ariadne; but i have no idea why OSI want to stick their finger in this. the solution is not to apply "open source" ethics to ML applications, but to build a set of ethics appropriate to that application
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 152.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.40
22:59 TR News; Lyra V2 - a better, faster, and more versatile speech codec | Google Open Source Blog https://opensource.googleblog.com/2022/09/lyra-v2-a-better-faster-and-more-versatile-speech-codec.html Source: Open Source Initiative | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//opensource.googleblog.com/2022/09/lyra-v2-a-better-faster-and-more-versatile-speech-codec.html
22:59 TR Bot; Lyra V2 - a better, faster, and more versatile speech codec | Google Open Source Blog
22:59 MinceR; the OSI has ethics?
23:00 highest_cubist_thrills; if found them in a carton of weetabix
23:00 MinceR; lol
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; ask hey hi
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; if osi is ethical
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft github will tell you
23:01 schestowitz[TR]; sponsor
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; a machine learning model should know what ethical is
23:01 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/
23:01 TR Bot; Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; /me builds a virtual paralegal as an ml model and hires it as an atty
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; ai is my friend
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; ai: im not your friend, buddy!
23:02 Ariadne; there is also the whole problem with "deepfake" content, where ML models have been trained to impersonate individuals
23:02 *MinceR builds an ml model that develops and improves ai-s and takes over the universe
23:02 Ariadne; this should clearly be illegal
23:02 TR News; ICBM lobbies FOR software patents AND also armed PATENT TROLLS. Now Fedora suffers. https://theevilskeleton.gitlab.io/2022/09/30/the-fedora-project-remains-community-driven.html
23:02 TR Bot; The Fedora Project Remains Community Driven | TheEvilSkeleton
23:02 schestowitz[TR]; github alrteady banned such projects
23:02 schestowitz[TR]; based on no actual rules
23:02 schestowitz[TR]; just arbitrary censorship
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft as "FOSS God"
23:03 Ariadne; yes, i am saying we need actual rules for that
23:03 Ariadne; ;)
23:03 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@tr9ewtk79g5i8.irc) has joined #techrights
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; "we bought control"
23:03 highest_cubist_thrills; its not arbitrary-- they do whats good for their monopoly.
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; that too
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; and their partner
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; like RIAA
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; they're a member BTW
23:03 schestowitz[TR]; ATTACK ASURFACE
23:03 highest_cubist_thrills; ass ur face?
23:04 highest_cubist_thrills; azure face!
23:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Like that guy that wants to rewrite Epiphany in Rust.
23:04 Ariadne; incidentally github enterprise is the most halfassed product i have ever used
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; i think it's a french work
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; ajurrr
23:04 DaemonFC; No reason. It's not in a deep dark state of decay and needing a rewrite anyway.
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; *word
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; we are trying to assess the relative market share of github
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; in general and among git
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; and among igt include self-hosted and no UI
23:05 DaemonFC; I put it on the bug tracker which parts of Epiphany were rotting or badly in need of attention, with debug info, and in some cases a proposal for how to make it better _and_ Apple's problem.
23:05 *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; it's VERY hard to find ANY figures ANYWHWRE
23:05 highest_cubist_thrills; its got to be between 2/3 and 4/5
23:05 DaemonFC; So most of the rot is gone now.
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: and declining
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; like skype and linkedin
23:05 DaemonFC; mjg59_, says....don't listen to proposals for software from Ryan.
23:05 highest_cubist_thrills; no, you made that up.
23:05 highest_cubist_thrills; ou always do.
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; but we don't know how rapidly
23:06 DaemonFC; Ryan has an irrelevant opinion about something else.
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; and depends nwhat we measure
23:06 highest_cubist_thrills; i do the work, then you downplay it like you had any part in it.
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; gitlab market cap is not HIGHER than github
23:06 highest_cubist_thrills; based on handwaving
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; when microsoft bought github
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; *now
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; not "not"
23:06 Ariadne; i would say that github is probably around 85% of all git repository hosting
23:06 highest_cubist_thrills; /me would be very interested if anyone had REAL evidence that github was declining in influence
23:06 DaemonFC; Rewriting Epiphany in Rust is a distraction.
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; and we know when microsoft bought github many fled and the rate of decreae fell
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; based on Microsoft's OWN figures
23:06 highest_cubist_thrills; <Ariadne> i would say that github is probably around 85% of all git repository hosting <- plausible
23:06 Ariadne; but that is just based on observation
23:07 DaemonFC; It's negative work that does what we already have, only in new and untested code in a compiler that's dependent upon Microsoft.
23:07 highest_cubist_thrills; many fled <- yeah many fled in 2018
23:07 highest_cubist_thrills; and that was pretty much it
23:07 Ariadne; DaemonFC: how, exactly, is rust dependent on microsoft
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; no, 2019 too
23:07 DaemonFC; Same is true for putting Rust in Linux and rewriting existing modules.
23:07 Ariadne; they could move the project tomorrow if they wanted
23:07 highest_cubist_thrills; bullshit.
23:07 highest_cubist_thrills; no, 2019 too <- fake news
23:07 DaemonFC; Yeah, if they want to stop taking Microsoft's sweet sweet money.
23:07 DaemonFC; :)
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/
23:07 TR Bot; Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights
23:07 DaemonFC; Which they won't.
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/github-decline.png
23:08 Ariadne; my problem with gitlab is that it sucks even more than github enterprise
23:08 highest_cubist_thrills; gitlab sucks
23:08 highest_cubist_thrills; its claim to fame is "we have similar features as the mess youre in now"
23:08 Ariadne; i have a person working on adding more features to gitea
23:08 highest_cubist_thrills; plus you can self-host, which of course is a plus
23:09 highest_cubist_thrills; gitea: we will leave github real soon now
23:09 highest_cubist_thrills; they never do. but hey, id rather run gitea than gitlab most likely
23:09 TR News; Ethereums Software Switch Has Crypto Miners Scrambling https://thenewstack.io/ethereums-software-switch-has-crypto-miners-scrambling/
23:09 TR Bot; Ethereum's Software Switch Has Crypto Miners Scrambling - The New Stack
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; gogs
23:10 highest_cubist_thrills; i poured a jar of molasses into a server and it actually made gitlab run faster
23:10 DaemonFC; There is no Free Software version of Github that you can self-host.
23:11 TR News; "Last year I wrote about a subset of the vim plugins I was using, specifically those created by master craftsman Tim Pope. Off and on since then I've reviewed the other plugins I use and tried a few others, so I thought I'd write about them." https://jmtd.net/log/vim_plugins/vim-css-color/
23:11 Ariadne; yes
23:11 TR Bot; jmtd log vim plugins vim-css-color
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; we use gemini
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; and wrote our own stuff for the 'ui'
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; the back end is all cli
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; and we use a cli plus some custom script to manage it all
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; gemini just exposes it outwards
23:12 schestowitz[TR]; and there is a weeeeb gateway for git over gemini
23:12 schestowitz[TR]; so it's more secure than any of those www git bundles
23:12 schestowitz[TR]; with dbs and stuff
23:12 DaemonFC; I just got in from washing the car. Took it down to Chicago and back earlier. The ABS module isn't glitching out and turning on the "service ABS" message anymore.
23:12 highest_cubist_thrills; so it's more secure than any of those www git bundles <- im not sure thats how security actually works
23:12 DaemonFC; We'll see if that holds.
23:12 highest_cubist_thrills; if youre going to claim its secure you should at least have someone audit it
23:13 highest_cubist_thrills; gemini has a smaller attack surface (which is a plus) but security is based on finding and fixing problems
23:13 DaemonFC; The ABS pump is still in the system even if it's not turned on. If the car turns it off, then the brakes still work, but they don't work as well as a car with no ABS module would.
23:13 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/git/
23:13 TR Bot; Techrights Git (Self-Hosted) | Techrights
23:13 highest_cubist_thrills; and good design too-- which is certainly part of it
23:14 DaemonFC; You have to push the pedal down harder to get the right amount of braking pressure because it's just hanging around there, dead.
23:14 highest_cubist_thrills; good design reduces problems and makes it easier to find and fix them
23:14 DaemonFC; <highest_cubist_thrills> good design reduces problems and makes it easier to find and fix them
23:14 DaemonFC; ABS in a car is more government-mandated crap nobody ever had to deal with before.
23:15 DaemonFC; Because putting more computers in it instead of telling people to learn to pump the brake pedal in the winter.
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> so it's more secure than any of those www git bundles <- im not sure thats how security actually works
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; actually, many well known people have said
23:15 highest_cubist_thrills; the death star had its attack surface pretty well covered, effectively reducing it
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; that the bigger things get, the less secure
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; in many contexts
23:15 highest_cubist_thrills; but you know, that one vulnerability...
23:15 DaemonFC; It's really easy to drive a car with no ABS in the winter if it was designed without ABS in the system. If you go into a skid you just pump pump pump the brakes if you feel them trying to lock up on you. This is literally all the ABS module ($850 job) does.
23:16 highest_cubist_thrills; actually, many well known people have said <- that the bigger things get, the less secure <- right
23:16 highest_cubist_thrills; and bread is made of flour.
23:16 highest_cubist_thrills; but youre describing security like a loaf of bread made from a single ingredient.
23:16 highest_cubist_thrills; no ones going to eat that.
23:16 DaemonFC; On newer cars, like mine, they gave it the job of "traction control" too. If the wheels slip, the ABS module can override the throttle control and stop you from giving the car more gas.
23:17 *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights
23:17 DaemonFC; Ironically, this can leave you stuck on ice in the morning if you try to get out of it from a complete stop.
23:17 DaemonFC; The car will turn on the traction light and prevent you from giving it enough power to get going at all.
23:17 DaemonFC; So there's a "Traction Control Off" button you can press.
23:18 starstreak; linucks
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; :)
23:18 starstreak; there is this really cool project making a third party discord client, its written in golang and gtk4
23:18 starstreak; gtkcord4
23:19 DaemonFC; That doesn't solve the server-side problems though.
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; self-driving cars, lol
23:19 starstreak; unfortunately its still early in development
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; I worked on that sort of stuff as a postdog more than 10 years ago
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; and saw what a rash course it was
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; going nowhere, fast
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; and into a person
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; *postdoc
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; not postdog lol
23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
23:20 schestowitz[TR]; phonies try to lie to regulataors and politicians
23:20 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], The GPS said accident on I-94. I told Mandy, "What do you want to bet it's a black guy in a used BMW that tried to cut across 6 lanes without his blinker at 100 miles an hour?".
23:20 schestowitz[TR]; to have a go at it regardless
23:20 DaemonFC; I wonder how Matt GULAG's software deals with having to be on the road with folks like that.
23:20 schestowitz[TR]; now you will be accused of racism
23:20 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], attack surface!
23:20 schestowitz[TR]; by a person who the MAJOPRITY of his life was slanderingf trans people
23:20 schestowitz[TR]; and now claims to speak for them
23:20 schestowitz[TR]; that's like letting brendan eich speaks for gay people
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; because a decade ago he changed his mind
23:21 DaemonFC; Which Transformer did he/him slander?
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; megatron
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; megatron-19
23:21 starstreak; finding out Brendan Eich's history is what made me stop using brave, i don't want to make him rich
23:21 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> that's like letting brendan eich speaks for gay people <- this seems like a false equivalence
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; variant/strain
23:21 schestowitz[TR]; "mutation'
23:21 highest_cubist_thrills; which is hilarious if youre trying to show him the irony of the logic he put into the anti-rms letter
23:22 DaemonFC; I'm not really angry about Brendan Eich's donation to the Prop 8 initiative.
23:22 highest_cubist_thrills; but if youre just doing it to defend dfc its a lot funnier, and a lot sadder too
23:22 DaemonFC; That actually passed, you know. IN CALIFORNIA.
23:22 DaemonFC; Where people "get it" according to Matt GULAG.
23:22 DaemonFC; So progressive.
23:22 highest_cubist_thrills; because it suggests you believe the same nonsense he did.
23:22 highest_cubist_thrills; same sort of ^
23:22 highest_cubist_thrills; ie false equivalence is real argument
23:22 TR News; (NEW): #HowTo Use Encrypted Passwords in Shell Scripts on Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/How_to_Use_Encrypted_Passwords_in_Shell_Scripts_on_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/How_to_Use_Encrypted_Passwords_in_Shell_Scripts_on_Linux.gmi
23:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines How to Use Encrypted Passwords in Shell Scripts on Linux
23:22 schestowitz[TR]; i did not say it wa s a perfect equivalent
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; but the point being,
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; eich is not gay
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; and does not speak for them
23:23 highest_cubist_thrills; he could be self-hating
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; and he did use his money against their merital interests
23:23 highest_cubist_thrills; wouldnt be the first self-hating gay christian
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; *marital
23:23 DaemonFC; He has some employees who are about as queer as a three dollar bill looking at their profile picture.
23:23 DaemonFC; Maybe he can't find anyone else in the bay area.
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, about self-driving cars
23:23 schestowitz[TR]; it's a jjjjoke
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; a farce
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; a lunacy
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; a pipe dream
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; I researched this
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; more than a decade agol
23:24 highest_cubist_thrills; a self-driving car drives into a bar...
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; I even wrote programs to do it
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; with "HEY HI"
23:24 highest_cubist_thrills; and the bartender says "i told you so"
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; before anyone called it "HEY HI" 24/7
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; I used opeenCV
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; and trained models with it
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; self-driving is fantasy
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; unless it's some warehouse
23:24 schestowitz[TR]; where everything is meticulously controlled
23:25 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: haha, that's a good one
23:25 highest_cubist_thrills; but google has had self-driving cars with human backups ON THE ROAD for a decade no?
23:25 highest_cubist_thrills; and isnt that where tesla is trying to go?
23:25 schestowitz[TR]; what happened to the "ioishman" at that pub?
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; was he busy putting 'secure' boot in that car?
23:26 highest_cubist_thrills; he was debating with the german-born british resident
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; and gave him covid
23:26 highest_cubist_thrills; about some human rights issue
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; btw, covid is very prevalent atm
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; and I need to meet a friend tomorrow at noon
23:27 schestowitz[TR]; masked at a coffee shop
23:27 DaemonFC; I'm going to get my next "booster" in about a week.
23:27 DaemonFC; Hope for the best.
23:27 schestowitz[TR]; happy boosting
23:27 schestowitz[TR]; enjoy the 4th placebo
23:27 schestowitz[TR]; or 2nd
23:27 DaemonFC; It's going to get fucking ugly here in a couple months.
23:27 schestowitz[TR]; I always regarded the third to be the first placebo
23:27 DaemonFC; We don't know that the bivalent booster will be ineffective.
23:27 DaemonFC; The virus has changed a lot and so has the vaccine.
23:27 schestowitz[TR]; they said
23:27 DaemonFC; It's more like a new vaccine than it is like the old one.
23:27 schestowitz[TR]; that's what she said
23:28 schestowitz[TR]; they don't even advertise the rrecipe
23:28 schestowitz[TR]; all patents
23:28 schestowitz[TR]; ingreedients... MAYBE
23:28 schestowitz[TR]; if you are a regulator
23:28 TR News; COVID-19 was permitted to become very, very prevalent https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/30/millions-of-brits-are-currently-covid-19-carriers/
23:28 DaemonFC; I recall seeing things that said 60% genetic deviation from Original COVID for Omicron.
23:28 TR Bot; Blog Archive Millions of Brits Are Currently COVID-19 Carriers
23:29 DaemonFC; That's kind of bad for it not even having been that long ago, but many people chose to get sick instead of taking precautions.
23:29 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
23:29 DaemonFC; And so there were a lot of hosts to infect and mutate inside of.
23:29 schestowitz[TR]; long-term effects
23:29 starstreak; i recently went to a bookstore that used to sell 2600 magazine and they didn't have it anymore :(
23:29 schestowitz[TR]; https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/27/covid-19-neurological-issues/
23:29 TR Bot; Blog Archive 42% Increase in Risk of Neurological Issues Following COVID-19 Infections (7% Impacted Already)
23:29 schestowitz[TR]; https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/26/post-covid-alzheimers/
23:29 TR Bot; Blog Archive COVID-19: Permanent, Irreversible Impact on the Brain
23:30 DaemonFC; That's why I was after mom to at least go get the medicine for it AFTER she got it and laughed at me for getting vaccinated.
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: try dejaa news
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; gulag groupies
23:30 DaemonFC; I don't want her dead or crazier than she already is.
23:30 schestowitz[TR]; http://groups.google.com/
23:30 TR Bot; Sign in - Google Accounts
23:31 DaemonFC; I liked Deja News and used it all the time before GULAG.
23:31 starstreak; i herd u can get warez still on real usenet
23:31 DaemonFC; GULAG bought it and started censoring groups immediately.
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; it did worse
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; and arguably destroyed usenet communities
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; it created hit and runners
23:31 DaemonFC; Yeah, killed USENET access and then supplanted them.
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; people whon knew nothiing about "groups"
23:31 starstreak; its still a vibrant place to get warez
23:32 DaemonFC; So is BitTorrent.
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; just spammed them, broke netiquette, asked questions and then never bothered replying
23:32 starstreak; only insane people post real discussions on usenet
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; and didn't understand how people were actually using newsgroups
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; i used knode for ages
23:32 schestowitz[TR]; among other clients, but mostly knode
23:32 starstreak; i loved free agent
23:32 starstreak; i know its proprietary but it supported the formats for warez
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23:33 schestowitz[TR]; now gulag does the same to email
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; gmail is atttack on email
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; and they deprecate "legacy" protocols
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; like IMAPPPPPPPPP and POP
23:33 starstreak; daemonfc uses outlook.com for email
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; Micrsoft has joined in
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/microsoft-vs-pop-and-imap/
23:33 TR Bot; Microsoft is Trying to Eliminate POP3 and IMAP for E-mail (Attack on Commodity or Standard Protocols) | Techrights
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2021/08/13/thunderbird-focus/
23:33 TR Bot; Mozilla Should Focus on Improving Thunderbird and Fixing Bugs Instead of Eradicating Innocuous Words | Techrights
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/03/05/alphabetgulag-is-closing-down-tightening-the-screws-in-the-name-of-security/
23:33 TR Bot; Alphabet/Gulag is Closing Down (Tightening the Screws in the Name of Security) | Techrights
23:33 DaemonFC; I use a lot of things for email.
23:34 starstreak; thunderbird is trash, its a bloated mess, why does a browser need to pretend its a mail client?
23:34 schestowitz[TR]; I tryy to get off of email completely
23:34 DaemonFC; I have a GMail, an Outlook Mail, a Vivaldi Mail, a few GMX mails.
23:34 schestowitz[TR]; since 2010
23:34 starstreak; evolution is the best mail client imo
23:34 schestowitz[TR]; it was created by team mono
23:34 schestowitz[TR]; better to avoid it
23:34 schestowitz[TR]; novell and microsofters
23:35 starstreak; do you think they still work on it though?
23:35 schestowitz[TR]; doesn't seem like it
23:35 schestowitz[TR]; when was last release?
23:35 schestowitz[TR]; its developers are busy working for Microsoft
23:35 schestowitz[TR]; attacking us
23:35 schestowitz[TR]; with mono and stuff
23:35 schestowitz[TR]; the xamarin people
23:36 starstreak; 2022-09-26 01:49 UTC
23:36 starstreak; well im certainly not going to be using thunderbird anytime soon
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23:37 starstreak; i like that evolution makes it really easy to work with the mbox format
23:37 highest_cubist_thrills; "i dont believe in evolution, because i believe in intelligent design"
23:37 starstreak; i tried claws mail but it looks like shit
23:38 highest_cubist_thrills; i do wonder which client they considered "intelligent design" though
23:38 TR News; (NEW): Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Fedora_Red_Hat_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Fedora_Red_Hat_Leftovers.1.gmi
23:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers
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23:39 schestowitz[TR]; opera has something
23:39 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
23:39 schestowitz[TR]; someone from epo has asked foir alternatives
23:39 schestowitz[TR]; said he was hooked on some opera something
23:39 schestowitz[TR]; that made it easy
23:39 starstreak; i mean i could install office 2016 in wine and use outlook
23:39 schestowitz[TR]; but was proprietary
23:40 schestowitz[TR]; is outlook any good?
23:40 highest_cubist_thrills; /me asks magic 8 ball
23:40 schestowitz[TR]; I last saw it as a phd student on the supervisor's pc
23:40 highest_cubist_thrills; "outlook isnt good"
23:40 schestowitz[TR]; like 17 years ago
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23:40 schestowitz[TR]; he was mostly using outlook
23:40 starstreak; i like outlook
23:40 schestowitz[TR]; communicating but not doing or writing much
23:41 starstreak; outlook lets you move all your mail into a portable pst file
23:41 starstreak; i used outlook for years
23:41 highest_cubist_thrills; and then hand it to someone on a train
23:41 schestowitz[TR]; exchange is under a massive attack at the moment
23:41 schestowitz[TR]; many servers exploited
23:41 starstreak; then i ran pst2mbox to convert my pst files into mbox files
23:41 schestowitz[TR]; I reckon outlook.com qaffected too
23:41 highest_cubist_thrills; while coked up from the christmas party
23:41 schestowitz[TR]; and its users
23:41 schestowitz[TR]; many another billion boxes compromised
23:41 schestowitz[TR]; with passwords and secrets in them
23:41 starstreak; i have an @outlook.com address but i dont use it
23:41 schestowitz[TR]; and messages from people who do not use Microsoft
23:41 schestowitz[TR]; but contacted people who mdo
23:42 highest_cubist_thrills; if you are handing someone a pst file on a train, and two asian guys are following you
23:42 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, XD
23:43 highest_cubist_thrills; wad your cash up and give it to the guy playing keytar
23:43 highest_cubist_thrills; then again, if you are doing this, youre a horrible person
23:43 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], what mail client does KDE support?
23:43 Ariadne; KMail
23:43 Ariadne; which is tolerable
23:43 starstreak; is kmail any good?
23:43 Ariadne; it is tolerable
23:44 starstreak; ahhh, does it support import/export of mbox?
23:44 Ariadne; personally i strongly dislike email
23:44 Ariadne; so i am probably not the best person to ask about this
23:44 starstreak; fair enough
23:44 schestowitz[TR]; I left kmail for thunderbird when thuderbird was around version 0.9
23:44 starstreak; i like evolution on gnome
23:45 starstreak; why thunderbird? its so bloated and slow
23:45 schestowitz[TR]; thge migration was not pretty
23:45 highest_cubist_thrills; "what email clients are still maintained anyway?"
23:45 MinceR; evolution is also bloated and slow
23:45 highest_cubist_thrills; "evolution, and shittybird, they just came out with a new release"
23:45 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_(game)
23:45 starstreak; i got alpine working with gmail, then gmail killed non-oath2 clients
23:45 TR Bot; Monopoly (game) - Wikipedia
23:45 schestowitz[TR]; but I reckon I can find 20+ years old emails given enough determination to decipher the formats of the oldest ones
23:45 highest_cubist_thrills; "shittybird, is it any good?"
23:45 highest_cubist_thrills; "it sucks"
23:45 MinceR; i suspect mutt isn't, but i never got around to trying it because my home server fried itself
23:45 DaemonFC; I was playing Monopoly on the NES yesterday.
23:46 highest_cubist_thrills; "so its not just a clever name" :)
23:46 DaemonFC; It's actually not that bad for an NES version.
23:46 starstreak; MinceR, i really liked alpine instead of mutt
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23:46 starstreak; but alpine doesn't do anything with mbox
23:46 DaemonFC; It occurred to me that taxes in the game are just a damned nuisance that don't benefit any of the players.
23:46 MinceR; i don't want to do anything with mbox either
23:46 MinceR; i want Maildir and IMAP
23:46 DaemonFC; It made me laugh. I never thought of that when I was a kid.
23:46 starstreak; i have all my old mail in mbox
23:46 TR News; Hari Rana misses the point that ICBM actively lobbies AGAINST the interests of Fedora https://theevilskeleton.gitlab.io/2022/09/30/the-fedora-project-remains-community-driven.html
23:46 TR Bot; The Fedora Project Remains Community Driven | TheEvilSkeleton
23:46 starstreak; instead of having thousands of files
23:47 highest_cubist_thrills; maildir + tar = instant mbox
23:47 MinceR; get a real filesystem? :>
23:47 DaemonFC; MinceR, Perhaps because I'm older and see money disappear to the government with little benefit to myself.
23:47 starstreak; :P
23:47 MinceR; afaik it can be converted either way anyway
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23:47 DaemonFC; Someone should create Racist Monopoly or something.
23:47 TR News; Red Hat was pursuing software patents of its own, but AFAIK -- UNLIKE ICBM -- is never LOBBIED for such a policy
23:47 TR News; Sending a simple email http://blogs.perl.org/users/den/2022/09/sending-simple-email.html
23:47 TR Bot; a simple email | Den Perl Notes [blogs.perl.org]
23:47 highest_cubist_thrills; mbox: yo dawg, we herd you like text...
23:48 starstreak; i have 15 years of email, 2.4GB
23:48 TR News; Perl Weekly Challenge 184: Sequence Number and Split Array http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/09/perl-weekly-challenge-184-sequence-number-and-split-array.html
23:48 TR Bot; Weekly Challenge 184: Sequence Number and Split Array | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
23:48 highest_cubist_thrills; /me pastes all of britneys files into one GIANT file
23:48 DaemonFC; Community Chest card: "Big Government wants 40% of your money to give to a welfare mom. Pay up or go to jail for 20 turns."
23:48 highest_cubist_thrills; there you go! its mbox
23:48 starstreak; lol
23:48 DaemonFC; I think there was already a Ghettoopoly game though.
23:48 DaemonFC; With crack dealers and pimps and stuff.
23:49 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghettopoly
23:49 TR Bot; Ghettopoly - Wikipedia
23:49 highest_cubist_thrills; /me would NOT fuck with mbox if it were a feature of anything he forked
23:49 highest_cubist_thrills; i would EXPECT a lynch mob
23:49 DaemonFC; Loan Sharks
23:49 DaemonFC; The Projects
23:49 highest_cubist_thrills; though its not my first choice either
23:49 DaemonFC; mjg59_'s head exploding.
23:49 highest_cubist_thrills; with maildir you can just... you know, use anything on that shit
23:50 highest_cubist_thrills; you could do that with mbox too, but why
23:50 DaemonFC; Skills: Simple mathematics (such as counting, finding percentages and multiplication);
23:50 DaemonFC; social skills;
23:50 DaemonFC; negotiation
23:50 starstreak; evolution uses 70MB of ram and the UI is very responsive, importing and exporting pst is fast too
23:50 DaemonFC; Well, a racist would say that this keeps the fun primarily in the hands of white players.
23:50 highest_cubist_thrills; just gonna read my email *matrix scene where all the guns come out, except its a text file*
23:50 DaemonFC; The ones that can do simple math and negotiate without pulling an Uzi.
23:50 TR News; (NEW): Fedora 38 Wallpaper in motion! http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Fedora_38_Wallpaper_in_motion.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Fedora_38_Wallpaper_in_motion.gmi
23:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines Fedora 38 Wallpaper in motion!
23:51 starstreak; you can always tell when Roy is involved with a site when you see a NO SSL message
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23:51 MinceR; can i?
23:51 highest_cubist_thrills; yes hes the last holdout
23:51 highest_cubist_thrills; no one else does that
23:51 schestowitz[TR]; not rue
23:52 schestowitz[TR]; my site supports https
23:52 schestowitz[TR]; my site supports https
23:52 schestowitz[TR]; tuxmachines supports https
23:52 schestowitz[TR]; techrights supports https
23:52 starstreak; self signed
23:52 schestowitz[TR]; it does not recommend it
23:52 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: yes, so?
23:52 schestowitz[TR]; bakersoift doesn't fancy it?
23:52 starstreak; firefox throws up a warning
23:52 schestowitz[TR]; bakersoft, whose cso is literally cia?
23:53 starstreak; i always got to click "continue anyway"
23:53 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/10/mozilla-three-letter-agencies/
23:53 TR Bot; Mozilla Hired Top-Level Managers Directly From the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Can They Be Trusted on Privacy? | Techrights
23:53 schestowitz[TR]; mozilla is a gafam company
23:53 schestowitz[TR]; follow the wmoney
23:53 schestowitz[TR]; pantagon
23:53 schestowitz[TR]; andf surveillance capitalism
23:53 starstreak; pantagon!
23:54 MinceR; pantsagon
23:54 MinceR; even worse than the tentagon
23:54 highest_cubist_thrills; /me pictures the pantagon as being shaped like 5 pairs of trousers joined at the waist
23:54 MinceR; it's underpants, though
23:54 highest_cubist_thrills; no surprise, they also run pantagonia
23:54 MinceR; :>
23:54 highest_cubist_thrills; it's underpants, though <- its ALWAYS underpands
23:54 MinceR; it's a real pantamonium in there
23:55 highest_cubist_thrills; this channel is where typographic accuracy goes to die
23:55 highest_cubist_thrills; "type carefully boys and girls, otherwise god will send you to #techrights"
23:56 MinceR; and here i thought i usually typed carefully
23:56 highest_cubist_thrills; well someone has to
23:57 schestowitz[TR]; typorights
23:57 schestowitz[TR]; esp. if standing up
23:58 schestowitz[TR]; "kids, don't sit all the time"
23:58 schestowitz[TR]; "otherwise you end up with legs like Torvalds'"
23:59 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/torvalds-40s.png
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