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beginning of new day, September 29

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7 AM, September 29

07:45 schestowitz-TR; gm

07:45 schestowitz-TR; catching up

07:45 schestowitz-TR; brb

07:45 Techrights-sec; gm


8 AM, September 29

08:15 schestowitz-TR; the ipfs in today's irc post is missing, i hope not due to a technical issue not detected at my end

08:15 schestowitz-TR; I'll check to be sure...

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9 AM, September 29

09:19 Techrights-sec; it's more likely that the script here does not fail properly if the files

09:19 Techrights-sec; are not yet available when the script is run too soion

09:19 Techrights-sec; ^soon

09:20 schestowitz-TR; at around 3am my time the files become ready, or maybe by 4am for sure

09:20 schestowitz-TR; i can change the schedules, there is a chain of events, starting 2:30am

09:21 Techrights-sec; That is probably it then.

09:25 schestowitz-TR; about 98% of the time the pipeline works ok without need for intervention

09:25 schestowitz-TR; i have a set of sanity checks that I do after 4:05am

09:25 schestowitz-TR; btw, kiwi irc ha been having issues since sunday

09:25 schestowitz-TR; it seems to be not limited to any site or domain in particular

09:25 schestowitz-TR; we could add a self-hosted web proxy for irc

09:25 schestowitz-TR; there are several options if you fancy a little "sys OP" [sic] challenge

09:25 schestowitz-TR; thew quakenet one is less JS-intensive\

09:25 schestowitz-TR; one longstanding issue with kiwi is not the js per se

09:25 schestowitz-TR; but clownflare being in front of the site

09:25 schestowitz-TR; which means TR reveals visitors to clownflare

09:28 Techrights-sec; The MitM by Cloudflare should be mentioned specifically on that page then.

09:30 schestowitz-TR; you would be shocked if you saw how much of uk publiuc sector was outsourced to thisa mitm

09:30 schestowitz-TR; so as a taxpayer to get some service they subject you to AMERCIAN sites

09:30 schestowitz-TR; and the back end is also aws a lot of the time

09:30 schestowitz-TR; it's like we're a bana natio

09:30 schestowitz-TR; *nbanana

09:30 schestowitz-TR; the liz trump fruit company

09:34 Techrights-sec; https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/28/other-peoples-computers/#clouded-over

↺ https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/28/other-peoples-computers/#clouded-over

09:34 Techrights-sec; paywall: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/software-makers-restrictive-license-rules-targeted-by-new-group

↺ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/software-makers-restrictive-license-rules-targeted-by-new-group

09:34 Techrights-sec; YouTube: two 30-second, non-skippable ads every 2 minutes or less :(

09:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pluralistic.net | Pluralistic: 28 Sep 2022 Maintaining monopolies with the cloud Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

09:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

09:36 schestowitz-TR; alpine can be very challenging for big packages with many deps, but we can have a go at making

09:36 schestowitz-TR; ircgateway.techrights.org or similar

09:36 schestowitz-TR; port 80

09:36 schestowitz-TR; those loss leader [sic] clown computing BS is, to me, more of a military initative

09:36 schestowitz-TR; than anything of substantial value

09:36 schestowitz-TR; and we need to get others to recognise this and say this

09:36 schestowitz-TR; there's NO FREE HOSTING!

09:36 schestowitz-TR; No such thing

09:36 schestowitz-TR; Youtube: we show two ads you cannot skip... with some CRAP or "FODDER" after them

09:36 schestowitz-TR; Clownflare: we're still not sure how to make monet

09:36 schestowitz-TR; spotify/netflix: we collected a lot of data

09:36 schestowitz-TR; microsoft: hololens anyway? yes, we fired all the staff, but we need income, please~!

09:36 schestowitz-TR; youtube is worse because it purges and culls anything that does not please its political masters

09:36 schestowitz-TR; as per irc logs from last night:

09:36 schestowitz-TR; rt and sputnik are not 'blocked' by my ISP

09:36 schestowitz-TR; we're a very liberal nation, y'know..

09:36 schestowitz-TR; they started this BS by saying we need pr0n filters to "protect the kids"

09:36 schestowitz-TR; not they "protect" adults

09:37 schestowitz-TR; *now

09:37 schestowitz-TR; it'lle scalare further, in due course..

09:37 schestowitz-TR; depending how much PowersThatBe(TM) can 'generously' tolerate opposing views (or videos, since I made a typo)

09:38 schestowitz; https://webchat.quakenet.org/

↺ https://webchat.quakenet.org/

09:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-webchat.quakenet.org | QuakeNet Web IRC (qwebirc)

09:39 schestowitz; https://development.quakenet.org/

↺ https://development.quakenet.org/

09:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-development.quakenet.org | QuakeNet Development Team

09:39 Techrights-sec; Cory's post is quite relevant for this thread.

09:40 schestowitz-TR; maybe CohnPAC (EFF) will even allow him to post these views to a large audicience in eff.org

09:40 schestowitz-TR; or maybe not

09:42 schestowitz-TR; "Over the past 15 years, the United States has lost more than half the newspaper reporters covering state and local beats" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/28/policies-center-community-voices-are-key-solving-local-news-crisis | Source: Common Dreams

↺ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/28/policies-center-community-voices-are-key-solving-local-news-crisis

09:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Policies That Center Community Voices Are Key to Solving the Local-News Crisis | Amy Kroin

09:47 Techrights-sec; Significantly more than half are gone.

09:48 schestowitz-TR; i suppose it dpeends what gets counted

09:48 schestowitz-TR; e.g. "is the domain name still online?"

09:59 Techrights-sec; If you count the number of people employed in the branch, it's way more than

09:59 Techrights-sec; half gone. We had some articles on that in the last 18 months

09:59 Techrights-sec; ?? https://www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com/

↺ https://www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com/

09:59 Techrights-sec; Worth a closer look.

09:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com | Home Page - Coalition For Fair Software Licensing


10 AM, September 29

10:02 schestowitz-TR; i've looked around

10:02 schestowitz-TR; no idea who they REALLY are

10:02 schestowitz-TR; could be phonies like ACT

10:02 schestowitz-TR; where did you find the URL?

10:03 Techrights-sec; Indirectly via the above links. That's why they're worth looking at, to see

10:03 Techrights-sec; if they are legitimate or not; Either way action is needed to support or

10:03 Techrights-sec; to fight.

10:08 schestowitz-TR; it's very difficult to know

10:08 schestowitz-TR; they don't give it away upfront

10:08 schestowitz-TR; this weekend I meet my friend who lost almost all his money (and home) to "investors"

10:08 schestowitz-TR; and linus is adopting pile of shit recomended by microsoft azure cto

10:08 schestowitz-TR; because "security".... f*ing sjvn plays into it too

10:08 schestowitz-TR; citing microsoft as authority on security

10:08 schestowitz-TR; to me: warning signs are "fair"

10:08 schestowitz-TR; the word is used a lot by microsoft lobbyists

10:08 schestowitz-TR; like FRAND

10:08 schestowitz-TR; it's a meaningless word

10:08 schestowitz-TR; no legal bearingf

10:08 schestowitz-TR; the BSA too wars a "fair" share

10:08 schestowitz-TR; as you yourself like to say,

10:08 schestowitz-TR; the new currency is debt

10:08 schestowitz-TR; soi the surplus is not profit per se

10:08 schestowitz-TR; but derived by graft or similar

10:08 schestowitz-TR; debt issue

10:08 schestowitz-TR; then a bunch of vultures fight over whose bank account gets the minted 'coins'

10:08 schestowitz-TR; lawyer: the law need not be on our side, we can just endure the longest financially

10:08 schestowitz-TR; microsoft: we don't need to have good products, we can just lose money until our rivals cannot operate anymore

10:08 schestowitz-TR; (backup plan: bailout biden will give us "stimulus" for "defence")

10:11 Techrights-sec; https://www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com/about-the-coalition/

↺ https://www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com/about-the-coalition/

10:11 Techrights-sec; They unfortunately use the misleading phrase "intellectual property"

10:11 Techrights-sec; https://www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Principles-of-Fair-Software-Licensing-1.pdf

↺ https://www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Principles-of-Fair-Software-Licensing-1.pdf

10:11 Techrights-sec; Only points 2 and 3 seem relevant to software freedom.

10:11 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fairsoftwarelicensing.com | About The Coalition - Coalition For Fair Software Licensing

10:11 Techrights-sec; It's run by a lawyer

10:11 Techrights-sec; ack

10:12 schestowitz-TR; i never heard of them before

10:12 schestowitz-TR; they could be part turncoats like IP2innovative, peer2patent, and unifiedpatents

10:12 schestowitz-TR; one moment they support reform, then they take microsoft money and oibstruct opponents of swpats and UPC

10:12 schestowitz-TR; or gas light them

10:12 schestowitz-TR; "they're too radical anyway" (they don't take bribes form hostile firms)

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10:19 schestowitz-TR; topic aborted: patent and copyrioght troll

10:19 schestowitz-TR; i will tell you when there is something more newsworthy

10:19 schestowitz-TR; apropos, did you take a look at the irc gateway s/w?

10:19 schestowitz-TR; maybe it's a good opportunity to zap that clownflare thing

10:19 schestowitz-TR; techuser/some haxor complained about it

10:19 schestowitz-TR; at 17 he already knew LE and clownflare are bad

10:19 schestowitz; https://qwebirc.org/installation

↺ https://qwebirc.org/installation

10:19 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-qwebirc.org | Installation - the qwebirc project

10:22 schestowitz-TR; python, openjdk...

10:22 schestowitz-TR; kiwiirc is a lot of nodejs and vue.js etc.

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10:48 Techrights-sec; I have not looked at the IRC gateway stuff

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1 PM, September 29

13:25 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> SFC hypocrites. We take Microsoft money, then tell you to "Give Up GitHub" (self-promotion for SFC). We moan that LF doesn't allow community in Board (to start a self-fund-raising campaign), now we outsource key parts GNU to LF. SFC: self-serving liars with PR skills?

13:49 Techrights-sec; ack


2 PM, September 29

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14:40 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Torvalds in this photo. Zero girls. https://lwn.net/Articles/908323/

↺ https://lwn.net/Articles/908323/

14:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-2022 Kernel Maintainers Summit group photo [LWN.net]

14:40 schestowitz-TR; i see LF is making huge progress lecturing us on "diversty and inclusion"

14:42 schestowitz-TR; i thought about doing a meme that shows fossforce before and after LF $

14:42 schestowitz-TR; but I don't want to hurt them

14:43 Techrights-sec; ack

14:43 Techrights-sec; probably not a useful idea to irritate without a positive direction to push

14:51 schestowitz-TR; can you find an LF page boasting about diversity?

14:51 schestowitz-TR; like, how they have lots of girls?

14:51 schestowitz-TR; because of coc/zemlin/corporations etc.

14:51 schestowitz-TR; like you said, the LF bribes FOSS blogs angle is mostly hurful to those blogs

14:55 schestowitz-TR; (remember IBM/Red Hat and LF keep weaponising this against communities

14:55 schestowitz-TR; all those salaried coders are not female)

14:56 Techrights-sec; checkingf

14:56 Techrights-sec; https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/press-release/linux-foundation-europe-launches

↺ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/press-release/linux-foundation-europe-launches

14:56 Techrights-sec; ?

14:56 Techrights-sec; Yes and many (most) don't understand the weaponization, especially of the CoC

14:56 Techrights-sec; It's "mean" to criticize a /corporation/ for illegal, unethical, and anti-

14:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxfoundation.org | Linux Foundation Europe Launches to Foster European Open Source Collaboration and Innovation

14:56 Techrights-sec; competitive behavior especially if it hurts the kernel and the FOSS world in

14:56 Techrights-sec; general


3 PM, September 29

15:03 Techrights-sec; https://www.linuxfoundation.org/research/the-2021-linux-foundation-report-on-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-in-open-source

↺ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/research/the-2021-linux-foundation-report-on-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-in-open-source

15:03 Techrights-sec; https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/diversity-inclusivity

↺ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/diversity-inclusivity

15:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 503 @ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/research/the-2021-linux-foundation-report-on-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-in-open-source )

↺ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/research/the-2021-linux-foundation-report-on-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-in-open-source

15:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxfoundation.org | Diversity & Inclusivity | Linux Foundation

15:06 Techrights-sec; https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-foundation-starts-open-source-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-survey/

↺ https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-foundation-starts-open-source-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-survey/

15:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Linux Foundation starts open-source diversity, equity, and inclusion survey | ZDNET

15:10 Techrights-sec; https://nitter.it/linuxfoundation/status/1532053871635447809

↺ https://nitter.it/linuxfoundation/status/1532053871635447809

15:10 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Linux Foundation (@linuxfoundation): "Open source is all about #inclusivity, #diversity, #freedom, #equality, and #love. The Linux Foundation is proud to support the LGBTQI+ community around the world this month and always! #Pride #PrideMonth2022"|nitter.it

15:11 schestowitz-TR; ok, that last one is more sensitive and also does not pertain to a visible attribute

15:11 schestowitz-TR; I've started putting together a draft, but not much yet

15:11 schestowitz-TR; I will record some videos later

15:13 Techrights-sec; ack

15:14 schestowitz-TR; adding refs to keep it concise and to the point

15:23 Techrights-sec; https://blogs.vmware.com/opensource/2022/02/15/diversity-and-inclusion-two-success-factors-for-open-source/

↺ https://blogs.vmware.com/opensource/2022/02/15/diversity-and-inclusion-two-success-factors-for-open-source/

15:23 Techrights-sec; https://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-linux-foundation-launches-free-online-inclusivity-training/

↺ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-linux-foundation-launches-free-online-inclusivity-training/

15:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blogs.vmware.com | Diversity and Inclusion: Two Success Factors for Open Source

15:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Linux Foundation launches free online inclusivity training | TechRepublic

15:24 schestowitz-TR; techrepublic+zdnet=two LF-FUNDED propaganda rags

15:24 schestowitz-TR; this tells you a lot about the state of churnalism

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15:38 Techrights-sec; Yep. Paid for in full.

15:40 schestowitz-TR; VERY crude first drfat

15:40 schestowitz-TR; did not even preview

15:40 schestowitz-TR; rianne saw the photo too

15:40 schestowitz-TR; sna noticed

15:40 schestowitz-TR; *and

15:40 schestowitz-TR; just this past minute

15:40 schestowitz-TR; she lef the house

15:40 schestowitz-TR; i'll record 3 videos soon

15:44 Techrights-sec; checking

15:44 Techrights-sec; M$ has worked hard to earn and stay the object of any hate it receives

15:45 schestowitz-TR; made edits

15:45 schestowitz-TR; will polish it now

15:45 schestowitz-TR; will record in a bit

15:49 schestowitz-TR; rianne pointed out torvalds has white hair and greg is very tall

15:49 schestowitz-TR; I will check 4pm nhs figures when this one is done

15:49 schestowitz-TR; than record

15:49 schestowitz-TR; covid numbers are rising, data out in 10 mins

15:49 Techrights-sec;

15:49 Techrights-sec; ack

15:49 Techrights-sec; GKH is quite tall, but LT might have shrunken a little too along with

15:49 Techrights-sec; his sudden onset, premature aging.


4 PM, September 29

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16:14 schestowitz-TR; proofreading

16:14 schestowitz-TR; can you suggest how to cover this in video uniquely

16:14 schestowitz-TR; e.g. pointing how how LF does NOTHING about 'secure core' blocking Linux?

16:14 schestowitz-TR; the funny thing is, as much as they smear us

16:14 schestowitz-TR; we're one of the most diverse out there in FOSS

16:14 schestowitz-TR; IN SPITE of the smears

16:14 schestowitz-TR; today's epo video/article will cover diversity toowow!!!!

16:14 schestowitz-TR; 42% increase in cases in just one week

16:14 schestowitz-TR; I was expecting further growth after last week's

16:14 schestowitz-TR; but not that fast a growth

16:27 schestowitz-TR; with white hair , a robe, and therapists, maybe soon LF will just stuff the man into a mental asylum

16:27 Techrights-sec; ve shrunken a little too along with

16:27 Techrights-sec; his sudden onset, premature aging.

16:27 Techrights-sec; not sure

16:27 Techrights-sec; re: m$ "hate" : it's called learning from experience :/

16:27 Techrights-sec; Like in Soviet times

16:30 schestowitz-TR; COVID-19 Pandemic Isn't Over (Claiming That It is Only Worsens Things) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/29/autumn-surge/BBB

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/29/autumn-surge/BBB

16:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/29/autumn-surge/BBB )

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/29/autumn-surge/BBB

16:30 schestowitz-TR; OTA

16:31 Techrights-sec; The LF's CoC should be much shorted and consist of "is the code good?"

16:31 schestowitz-TR; if it's rust, then it is magically both good and secure

16:31 schestowitz-TR; OTA

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6 PM, September 29

18:13 schestowitz-TR; done 3 videos, working on text now

18:13 schestowitz-TR; the first one is the hardest

18:13 schestowitz-TR; not the typos aspect

18:13 schestowitz-TR; but ensuring i don't say anything provably false

18:13 schestowitz-TR; writing is very slowly

18:13 schestowitz-TR; draft

18:23 Techrights-sec; ack

18:23 Techrights-sec; checking

18:23 Techrights-sec; "seduced" is the wrong word, at least with that phrasing

18:23 Techrights-sec; "these corporates then seduce and take over the entire thing"

18:23 Techrights-sec; ^corporations

18:23 Techrights-sec; ousted ... and brought back in a lower position

18:23 Techrights-sec; "comments, but almost ..." -> "comments, and almost ..."

18:26 schestowitz-TR; draft

18:26 schestowitz-TR; thanks, head hurts, need a nap, back later


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20:48 Techrights-sec; ack

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