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00:00 TR News; False headline, but it's Daily Fail https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10761553/Google-says-Chrome-browser-successfully-targeted-hackers.html
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00:00 TR Bot; Google says its Chrome browser has been successfully targeted by hackers | Daily Mail Online
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00:00 matey; "im going to fucking kill google" says one of the 10 (known) richest men on earth, 2 of which are from microsoft and 2 of which are from google
00:01 TR News; Microsoft: We are market leaders! Shareholders: in what? Microsoft: in FUD!
00:01 DaemonFC; "On Thursday afternoon, Biden tried to pull attention back to that bigger picture by inviting small business owners to the White House."
00:01 DaemonFC; To be fair, that large group of midgets that ate the hotel breakfast clean and horrified John's mom could have been small business owners.
00:01 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
00:02 matey; i dont think thats what it means
00:02 MinceR; :>
00:02 DaemonFC; Well, it doesn't matter what kind of business it is if a midget owns it. Because they'd still be a small business owner.
00:02 TR News; Was this multi-part series scheduled to coincide with Microsoft FUD? The timing seems odd. https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/feature/Why-companies-should-focus-on-preventing-privilege-escalation
00:02 -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: techtarget.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/feature/Why-companies-should-focus-on-preventing-privilege-escalation https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/feature/Why-companies-should-focus-on-preventing-privilege-escalation
00:02 TR Bot; Why companies should focus on preventing privilege escalation
00:03 matey; /me thinks there should be a height requirement for people to meet biden... or for biden to meet them
00:04 TR News; Proprietary snake-oil for Linux; they probably target managers who have no clue... https://jumpcloud.com/blog/april-22-newsletter
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00:04 TR Bot; '22 Newsletter - JumpCloud
00:04 matey; nothing i ever do is for bidens sake
00:05 matey; hes one of those people where the nicest thing i can think of to say about him is i like him better than mike godwin
00:05 matey; i meant hitler
00:06 matey; /me is waiting for the day where someone busts mike godwin for being a closet nazi
00:06 matey; preferably in brazil
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00:08 matey; either that or someone finds out that randall munroe and mike godwin were aliases of the SAME GUY all along
00:10 TR News; Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu is Open for Development Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164267
00:10 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu is Open for Development | Tux Machines
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00:11 TR News; Create a blog post series with navigation in Jekyll | https://opensource.com/article/22/4/blog-series-navigation-jekyll Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
00:11 TR Bot; a blog post series with navigation in Jekyll | Opensource.com
00:13 TR News; Set up Home Assistant for Insteon Cheap Hardware for a Linux Docker Server Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164268
00:13 TR Bot; Set up Home Assistant for Insteon Cheap Hardware for a Linux Docker Server | Tux Machines
00:13 matey; "seriously though, what the hell was that anyway? do you have any idea how..."
00:13 TR News; More spying where they want it https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/28/india_4g_upgrade/
00:13 -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/28/india_4g_upgrade/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/28/india_4g_upgrade/
00:13 TR Bot; India to upgrade mobile nets near Maoist insurgents to 4G The Register
00:13 matey; "i can do what i want, im STEVE BALLMER, bitch!"
00:14 MinceR; "screw the rules, i have money!"
00:15 matey; https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/im-the-juggernaut-bitch
00:15 -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: knowyourmeme.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/im-the-juggernaut-bitch https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/im-the-juggernaut-bitch
00:15 TR Bot; I'm The Juggernaut, Bitch! | Know Your Meme
00:15 matey; i guess we should be happy he didnt take his dick out
00:15 matey; "well of course not, i mean that would be ENTIRELY inappropriate!"
00:16 TR News; Mobile so-called 'phones' aren't "smart" and they're a terrible exchange: you give the government nanny state your location all the time (via carrier), you let corporations spy on all your data (+camera, microphone). All this for what? So you can make some worthless calls on the go?
00:16 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164269
00:16 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
00:17 matey; /me plays key and peele pirate shanty again
00:17 TR News; LXD 5.0 LTS equates VMs with containers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164160#comment-33487
00:17 TR Bot; LXD 5.0 LTS is now available | Tux Machines
00:19 MinceR; https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Screw_the_Rules,_I_Have_Money
00:19 TR Bot; Screw the Rules, I Have Money - All The Tropes
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00:21 matey; carries a fine = free for rich people
00:22 DaemonFC; <matey> /me thinks there should be a height requirement for people to meet biden... or for biden to meet them
00:22 DaemonFC; Biden should be taller than everyone he meets.
00:22 DaemonFC; For the cameras.
00:22 matey; what if he was too short to sniff them though
00:22 DaemonFC; If you saw Lukashenko and Putin in the room together and did not know anything else, you'd figure Putin was on bottom.
00:22 matey; /me realises why that plan could go really badly, but being taller doesnt seem to help either
00:23 DaemonFC; I mean, my God, Lukashenko looks like Zangief got a bit older and shaved.
00:23 MinceR; who knows, maybe that's how it is in their bedrooms
00:24 TR News; Does this run on Windows? It does not say... https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-118-01
00:24 TR Bot; Johnson Controls Metasys | CISA
00:24 matey; /me hopes the thigh rub is part of an illuminati initiation rite
00:24 matey; i mean they WERE standing in a triangle.
00:24 MinceR; :)
00:25 TR News; Severy 9.8 (out of 10!) and it's Microsoft Windows (DLLs) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-081-01
00:25 TR Bot; Delta Electronics DIAEnergie (Update B) | CISA
00:25 matey; that like proves it, or something
00:25 TR News; Severityy 9.8 (out of 10!) and it's Microsoft Windows (DLLs), as usual. But the media is obsessing over "Linux", citing Microsoft as "source"... https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-081-01
00:26 matey; /me draws red lines to show the triangle formation to the sheeple
00:27 matey; you know shits gotten real when there are red lines involved
00:27 matey; because it shows the shapes that are being hidden in plain sight
00:29 matey; "yo, ding dong man, ding dong, ding dong yo!"-- fat
00:31 TR News; Ubuntu 22.04 LTS runs out of Wayland support with NVIDIA - LinuxStoney https://linuxstoney.com/ubuntu-22-04-lts-runs-out-of-wayland-support-with-nvidia/ Bleeding edge: ICBM makes you bleed and then sells bandages
00:31 -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxstoney.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxstoney.com/ubuntu-22-04-lts-runs-out-of-wayland-support-with-nvidia/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxstoney.com/ubuntu-22-04-lts-runs-out-of-wayland-support-with-nvidia/
00:31 TR Bot; 22.04 LTS runs out of Wayland support with NVIDIA - LinuxStoney
00:32 TR News; FreeBSD 13.1-RC5 might be the last RC. FreeBSD 13.1 ready to go soon.
00:32 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164270
00:32 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
00:37 DaemonFC; The Buick supports AAC files on a data CD.
00:37 DaemonFC; Probably because it has an AAC decoder to handle SiriusXM, but there's no mention of AAC CD support, just MP3.
00:37 TR News; Pop!_OS 22.04: New kid on the Ubuntu block starting to show real muscle http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164117#comment-33488
00:37 TR Bot; Pop!_OS 22.04 Launches Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, Powered by Linux 5.16 and PipeWire | Tux Machines
00:41 matey; Probably because it has an AAC decoder to handle SiriusXM <- til
00:42 matey; i made an mp3 cd player before they were common. out of a 486 dx2.
00:42 matey; this was before i switched to gnu/linux, and believe me, i had tried.
00:42 matey; there was no hard drive. the computer didnt power itself off.
00:42 matey; just a floppy and a cdrom.
00:43 matey; no monitor, no keyboard, no mouse. connected it to the aux of my stereo (back when people had those things)
00:43 matey; now i have dj monitors (cost less than the stereo did) with builtin amps that sound better than anything ive owned before
00:43 matey; smaller too
00:44 matey; the cd just had a folder for each album, with each song as mp3
00:44 matey; the floppy ran dos, qbasic.exe, and booted directly into the program
00:45 matey; you turned the computer on, the program tried to write a file to the floppy
00:45 matey; why? because it had two modes. and no hard drive.
00:45 matey; if the floppy write protect switch (3.5") was set, it would play each album / song in order
00:46 matey; if you unset it, it would shuffle
00:46 matey; two years later i got a cd/mp3 walkman (this was before 2005 when i started boycotting sony)
00:47 matey; but building my own thing using parts i already owned was more fun
00:47 matey; i had a very cool dos-based mp3 player that was efficient enough to work on a 486 dx2
00:48 matey; im sure it would have never worked on a regular dx
00:49 matey; a few years later i would create a newer dos-based mp3 player based on the same software, minus the floppy, plus a hard drive and screen
00:49 matey; it was an old ruggedised gte laptop
00:50 matey; one verticle line of pixels was crap, so it was annoying to use for computing but it was GREAT for an mp3 player with incredible capacity
00:50 matey; also vertical
00:51 matey; and a few years after that i switched to gnu/linux
00:51 TR News; Good example of webspam disguised as 'articles' or SEO junk which ruins the WWW https://linuxstoney.com/the-use-of-vpn-in-linux-systems/
00:51 -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxstoney.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxstoney.com/the-use-of-vpn-in-linux-systems/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxstoney.com/the-use-of-vpn-in-linux-systems/
00:51 TR Bot; use of VPN in Linux Systems - LinuxStoney
00:52 TR News; "people talk about crime in sf, but both anecdotally and statistically, it's far lower than chicago." people talk about crime in sf, but both anecdotally and statistically, it's far lower than chicago.
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00:52 matey; it took a very long time to find a really great replacement for qbasic
00:53 psydruid; "honey, I screwed up the kids"
00:53 TR News; So You Want to Take a Snow Bath gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/shufei/phlog/20220422-DIY-SnowBath.gmi
00:53 psydruid; "what should we do now?"
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00:54 TR News; SteamOS 3.2 Beta https://steamcommunity.com/app/1675200/discussions/0/3269060419612777126/
00:54 TR Bot; SteamOS 3.2 Beta Patch Notes: April 27th, 2022 :: Steam Deck General Discussions
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00:56 MinceR; i replaced qbasic with borland pascal, and then i replaced that with gcc
00:56 matey; yeah but like
00:57 matey; when i was in high school, there was this kid who used to always go to the bbs... sites
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00:57 matey; bbesses
00:57 matey; whatever, those things
00:57 matey; i went to the free ones, he went long distance and premium
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00:58 matey; he was also the guy learning c
00:58 matey; which i thought was pretty impressive but
00:58 matey; when you can just say "screen 12" and this guy has to initalise the video blah blah blah
00:58 matey; its not like we were making fun of him, props to him
00:58 TR News; Arduino Nano vs Micro | Top Differences You Should Know https://linuxhint.com/arduino-nano-vs-micro/ Source: LinuxHint | GNU | Linux | FreeSW
00:58 -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxhint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/arduino-nano-vs-micro/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxhint.com/arduino-nano-vs-micro/
00:58 TR Bot; Arduino Nano vs Micro | Top Differences You Should Know
00:58 matey; it just didnt sound like fun. at the time.
00:59 matey; when i was much younger than that of course, i wanted to learn c++ and become a professional application developer
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 310.51
00:59 matey; turns out that isnt a whole lot of fun either. but i guess it depends who you ask
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00:59 TR News; Btrfs for mere mortals: inode allocation | Marcos Blog https://mpdesouza.com/blog/btrfs-for-mere-mortals-inode-allocation/ Source: mpdesouza
00:59 -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: mpdesouza.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mpdesouza.com/blog/btrfs-for-mere-mortals-inode-allocation/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://mpdesouza.com/blog/btrfs-for-mere-mortals-inode-allocation/
00:59 TR Bot; Btrfs for mere mortals: inode allocation | Marcos' Blog
00:59 matey; i became rather disenchanted with windows, ended up with other priorities
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00:59 matey; id give up on ibmgcc completely but
01:00 matey; it still could be the lesser evil between that and msllvm
01:00 TR News; GCC 12.0.1 Status Report (2022-04-28) https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2022-April/238617.html
01:00 TR Bot; GCC 12.0.1 Status Report (2022-04-28)
01:00 matey; i mean openbsd is more forkable than gnu im sure
01:00 matey; but llvm is surely not more forkable than gcc
01:01 matey; or is it? i really dont know. seems like llvm is the bloatmonster from everyone ive talked to who knows something about it
01:02 matey; so it seems better to wait for a fork of gcc than llvm
01:02 matey; and as far as gnu/bsd goes, maybe openbsd with a gcc compiler, somehow
01:02 matey; i mean the option must be there
01:03 matey; ibm or microsoft, greeeeeaaat, familiar choices.
01:04 matey; i said someone would buy twitter and make it a personal ego thing
01:04 matey; i didnt say it would be THIS YEAR
01:04 MinceR; :>
01:04 matey; but somehow i dont think ibm would be worse under musk
01:04 matey; he might actually kill it off, and that would be fantastic
01:05 matey; dont buy twitter man, buy ibm
01:05 matey; it needs elons special touch
01:05 matey; better than ballmers
01:05 psydruid; I didn't actually have computer classes in school
01:05 matey; i didnt either but
01:05 matey; id been coding for years, and it was that or keyboarding.
01:06 TR News; Monte Vista [sic] https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/monte-vista-taps-foundries-io-for-edge-linux/ they meant MontaVista
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01:06 TR Bot; Monte Vista taps Foundries.io for edge Linux - eeNews Europe
01:06 matey; i can type with my eyes closed but i never learned <- i had my eyes closed
01:06 matey; lots of jokes you can make there, but i favour speed over accuracy
01:06 MinceR; he could buy MICROS~1 and crApple too
01:06 matey; yes but
01:06 matey; if i was the richest man on earth
01:06 matey; and owned things that NEEDED to work
01:06 matey; like self-driving cars, and fucking rockets
01:07 matey; the last thing i would do is buy MICROSOFT
01:07 DaemonFC; <matey> it took a very long time to find a really great replacement for qbasic
01:07 DaemonFC; qbasic works in FreeDOS.
01:07 matey; qbasic is both non-free and microsoft
01:07 psydruid; I used my MSX2 at home, which probably taught me more than I would have in school anyway
01:07 matey; i was interested in replacing it, but with what?
01:07 TR News; Like VMware actually wants to improve the security of things.... https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/04/28/ingress-nginx-1-2-0/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware
01:07 TR Bot; Increasing the security bar in Ingress-NGINX v1.2.0 | Kubernetes
01:07 TR Bot; VMware - Techrights
01:07 matey; i tried DOZENS of options.
01:07 DaemonFC; Yeah, but I mean, it's frozen in time on an OS without any network capabilities.
01:07 DaemonFC; So it's not like it matters much.
01:07 matey; it's frozen in time <- "stable"
01:08 matey; on an OS without any network capabilities <- no, it works in windows
01:08 TR News; Canonical at KubeCon Europe 2022 | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/kubecon-2022-europe Source: ubuntu
01:08 matey; shell command.
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01:08 TR Bot; at KubeCon Europe 2022 | Ubuntu
01:08 matey; you can wget with the shell command.
01:08 matey; if you can get wget for windows. which i could.
01:08 psydruid; and I never used MS DOS and had a troubling Windows experience from the very beginning
01:09 psydruid; so it didn't take me long to stop using it completely
01:09 matey; i even use wget with python, because websites dont like urllib as much.
01:09 TR News; How and why EasyOS is different https://easyos.org/about/how-and-why-easyos-is-different.html
01:09 TR Bot; How and why EasyOS is different
01:09 matey; i mean my language supports urllib
01:09 matey; i just never use that command, even though i wrote it.
01:10 matey; and if you use wget, and you want to switch to something like a gemini analogue of wget
01:10 matey; thats trivial to change
01:10 matey; its just one string
01:11 matey; at any rate id hate to go back to qbasic NOW
01:11 matey; but it took many years to get to where nothing would make me miss it
01:11 matey; /me wont miss sigils
01:26 DaemonFC; I had MS-DOS 5 and then I upgraded to 6.22 by borrowing my aunt's floppies and copying them, which she in turn had copied from work,
01:33 matey; by the time it came to using a native command line in gnu/linux, i wanted to, but i still didnt have experience
01:33 matey; it made enough sense but in practice there were too many rules
01:33 matey; too many ways to tell it to do something when you just wanted it to treat it as text
01:34 matey; yes i knew how to escape but you had to use that, or forego using ' in text
01:34 matey; and then you couldnt even use basic $p and $()
01:34 matey; so it was all or nothing and not even that simple
01:34 matey; many years later i would find that pdksh was a LOT simpler than bash
01:34 matey; and hate bash for it
01:34 matey; well, i dont hate bash. but it did make things needlessly complicated
01:35 matey; i thought it was a unix thing. turns out its a bash thing.
01:35 matey; but im sure some shells are worse. unlike bash i would have never installed them in the first place-- thats why bash gets the brunt of this
01:35 matey; it was everywhere, and i thought that was a good thing
01:36 matey; but pdksh would have made things so much easier
01:36 matey; so i try to tell everyone to use it first if learning, if possible
01:36 matey; then if they still want an orbital death ray to shoot themselves in the foot, they can install bash or use it because its already there
01:37 matey; it has a couple features i like. i wish i could remove the others. but then it would not be bash.
01:37 matey; as for dos, dont miss it
01:38 matey; freedos isnt free, a bit like freebsd
01:38 matey; dosemu is freedos, actually
01:38 matey; dosbox is the most free way to do dos, but unless im playing a dos game that cant be recompiled i have no use for it at this point
01:39 matey; at one point i liked all three. i was a freedos fan before it was using gnu/linux
01:39 matey; before i was
01:40 matey; and dosemu, if youve used it, for some things was cooler than dosbox
01:40 matey; but its not free, you need a non-free compiler for the parts of freedos it needs
01:40 matey; or some other (even less free) dos instead.
01:40 matey; as dosemu... isnt an emulator? at least it isnt standalone, afaik
01:41 matey; for some things <- for graphics you wanted dosbox anyway
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01:44 matey; im not sure how old freedos is now but i think i tried it or at least looked at it 20 years ago
01:44 matey; when it was in alpha
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01:44 matey; so ive tried freedos which isnt free (per fsd)
01:44 matey; and opendos which isnt open (per osd)
01:45 matey; but there is no libredos, unless its an emulator
01:46 matey; maybe-- maybe-- the dos in reactos is free
01:47 matey; its 32bit, and the non-free compiler for freedos is 16bit
01:47 matey; so that (reactos) would be sort of a free dos-like os
01:48 matey; youre probably better off using wine than dosemu
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01:51 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=sERtcG-TUCU i just like the song
01:51 TR Bot; U2 - In God's Country (Official Music Video) - Invidious
01:51 matey; blame the edge, its mostly his fault
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01:57 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zR44J1a9A8g making fun of the cranberries and u2 in the same song
01:57 TR Bot; Raspberries "Happy Again" - Invidious
01:58 matey; her impressions are so savage
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 53.06 average k/sec., average swarm size 236.76
02:01 matey; "the steal our grandmothers teeth in the middle of the night" "you sound like bloody enya you do"
02:05 AdmFubar; https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/26/chrome-101-ships-with-controversial-advertising-system-trials/
02:05 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: ghacks.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/26/chrome-101-ships-with-controversial-advertising-system-trials/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/26/chrome-101-ships-with-controversial-advertising-system-trials/
02:05 TR Bot; Chrome 101 ships with controversial advertising system trials - gHacks Tech News
02:09 MinceR; but how could i blame q2dm1?
02:13 matey; i dont know, you could write a nasty little tune for her to play on her golden freaking piano
02:14 matey; something with "fuck you, your majesty" in it
02:14 matey; /me doesnt really hate the queen much per se, but is pretty much done with the royals regardless
02:14 matey; i mean i wouldnt pick on her, just her and everyone like her
02:15 matey; then its fair
02:15 matey; that means elon too
02:16 matey; i dont bother with the barely rich, i dont give a shit about milliionaires, they certainly benefit from a fucked up world
02:16 matey; but they arent the cause
02:16 matey; billionaires should not exist
02:16 matey; took me a long time to agree with that too
02:17 matey; theres just no justification for them. there is no honest way to have (and keep) a billion dollars
02:17 matey; of course thats not an easy thing to prove
02:17 matey; whats fair?
02:17 matey; i simply think its the conclusion every reasonable person will come to-- not via the same route-- eventually
02:18 matey; billionaires arent reasonable people. they may appear like one if you get to know them.
02:18 matey; im sure we could get high with elon and have a good time
02:18 matey; hes still richer than slaver jeff bezos
02:19 matey; its not the rich that bother me. its the world they just sit there and pretend to fix, while making it even worse
02:19 matey; its the damage they do that bothers me
02:20 matey; it doesnt bother me that someone CAN (very loosely speaking) own 95% of the media, really
02:20 matey; it bothers me that somenoe (again, VERY loosely speaking) DOES
02:21 matey; really its 5 corporations, and more than one person. thats a bit beside the point, its a silly quibble
02:21 matey; that sort of monopoly helps to kill how many innocent people?
02:21 matey; helps to justify what level of organised crime?
02:22 matey; billionaires have no fucking excuse
02:23 matey; and the queens only half of one
02:23 matey; still a bit ridiculous
02:24 matey; in a capitalist, statist world that wasnt eating itself the royal family would hardly be the biggest of our concerns
02:25 matey; but since theres no such thing, the royal family is kind of a silly thing to have
02:25 matey; but whatever
02:26 matey; i have nothing big against the royals, they just arent doing the world any real favours by existing
02:26 matey; its as much a farce with them as it is with everyone richer and/or more powerful
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02:27 matey; the benefit is illusory
02:27 matey; financial systemdeification
02:27 matey; not my line of reasoning but, it illustrates the issue
02:28 matey; an economy designed for people like the queen makes about as much sense as a distro designed for systemd
02:30 AdmFubar; https://www.propublica.org/article/illinois-school-police-tickets-fines#1321795
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02:30 TR Bot; Illinois Law Bans Schools From Fining Children With Tickets. So the Police Are Doing It for Them. ProPublica
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02:34 matey; no person should be a corporation, including stallman
02:34 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/twitter-advertisers-elon-musk
02:34 TR Bot; Q1 earnings miss - Protocol
02:35 matey; it will break up either way, but because of the 501c3 it will die in a way that is completely unnatural
02:35 matey; making the breakup worse and messier than it needs to be, just like marriage requires divorce to get out of, and divorce is (often) messy
02:36 matey; free software should have just been a movement
02:36 matey; ah, but copyright.
02:36 matey; copyright made the corporation necessary.
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02:36 matey; so did some other arguably "practical" considerations
02:36 matey; still, that could have gone into a handful of 501c3s instead
02:37 matey; and corporations that cant merge are better than ones that can
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02:38 matey; of course some would still fail, sfc being a perfect example
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02:38 matey; and maybe fsf membership would have only cost $30 or $50 then instead of more like 100
02:38 matey; and we would have people at sfc and whatever else to
02:39 matey; to tell kuhn to go fuck himself
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02:40 matey; as long as we have a system designed to take care of greedy sociopaths better than everyone else
02:40 matey; i mean the queen doesnt have to be, very likely isnt a sociopath herself
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02:40 matey; doesnt really matter if shes expected to (and meets the obligations to) live like one anyway
02:41 matey; its a sociopathic system she is a posterchild for
02:41 matey; so i dont hate the queen, we just dont need any fucking royals
02:41 matey; and for gods sake, they shouldnt breed either
02:42 matey; not saying they should be sterile or something dumb like that
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02:42 matey; if youre in marketing, kill yourself
02:42 matey; if youre a royal-- dont breed
02:42 matey; its simple
02:42 matey; let the family line discontinue
02:50 matey; "and what do you do? oh youre a plumber, what on EARTH is that?"-- eddie izzard
02:53 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/BallState/comments/2hvxcd/who_administers_parking_tickets_for_ball_state/
↺ https://www.reddit.com/r/BallState/comments/2hvxcd/who_administers_parking_tickets_for_ball_state/
02:53 TR Bot; Who administers parking tickets for ball state? : BallState
02:53 DaemonFC; "Satan, Satan himself runs parking services."
02:53 AdmFubar; Duranium? https://www.nasa.gov/feature/glenn/2022/nasa-s-new-material-built-to-withstand-extreme-conditions
02:53 DaemonFC; Ack
02:53 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://www.nasa.gov//www.nasa.gov/feature/glenn/2022/nasa-s-new-material-built-to-withstand-extreme-conditions/ )
02:54 matey; hes got to do something to amuse himself, theres so much competition these days, hes fighting tooth and nail for relevance
02:55 DaemonFC; I just mailed them the $500 worth of tickets back with "I am not a student and you can't threaten me by withholding my transcripts because there are none. Goodbye.".
02:55 DaemonFC; I figure since that was 19 years ago I should be okay.
02:55 matey; seriously dfc would have made a killer accountant
02:56 matey; mafia quality at h&r block prices
02:56 DaemonFC; The university has no jurisdiction aside from turning things over to the city, and the city doesn't take university tickets and threaten your license because the city isn't making any money handling BSU tickets.
02:56 matey; "ah, heres 28 more things you dont need to worry about"
02:57 DaemonFC; So the university threatens students and relies on visitors not knowing that they can't have their license taken away or arrested over university tickets.
02:58 DaemonFC; My mechanic has been on the phone every day yelling at someone who he paid for an engine and then never received.
02:58 DaemonFC; Yesterday it got so bad that he said the guy had until the middle of next week before he filed a lawsuit over this in small claims court.
02:58 AdmFubar; https://www.techradar.com/news/google-docs-is-having-some-serious-issues-with-its-new-inclusive-language-warnings
02:58 TR Bot; Docs is having some serious issues with its new 'inclusive language' warnings | TechRadar
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02:59 DaemonFC; matey, There were a few good episodes of Seinfeld although I never really got into it too much.
02:59 matey; that there were
02:59 matey; i think the show was overrated, but clever and hilarious
02:59 matey; at least that much was true
02:59 DaemonFC; I think my favorite out of the ones I saw was when Jerry's mechanic kidnaps his car and yells at him over the phone "You've been taking it to a quickie lube place haven't you? You don't deserve to have it!".
03:00 matey; i remember that one. i see how you can relate to that.
03:00 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY7ISTaymU0
03:00 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=JY7ISTaymU0
03:00 TR Bot; invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | You Barely Know Your Car - Seinfeld (The Bottle Deposit) - Invidious
03:01 matey; /me also thought julia l-d was super hot
03:02 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEsERIcTeB4
03:02 TR Bot; https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=cEsERIcTeB4
03:02 TR Bot; invidious.osi.kr | Obsessive Saab Mechanic.wmv - Invidious
03:02 matey; and at the time i wasnt a patrick warburton fan, but that was before i read (then watched) the tick
03:03 matey; among my favourite lines (its all in the delivery) "arthur! i believe in you! I ALWAYS HAVE!" when hes known him for like a week
03:04 matey; he brought a ridiculous satirical comic book caricature/character to life
03:04 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuEdU_lrtZk
03:04 TR Bot; https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=TuEdU_lrtZk
03:04 TR Bot; invidious.osi.kr | Kramer test drives car on Seinfeld - Invidious
03:06 matey; "when i came to the car was in a ditch and the tank was full. i dont know who did it!"
03:06 matey; rofl
03:06 DaemonFC; My mom drives the car on E all the time. I told her she had a lot of faith in that Chevy gas gauge.
03:06 DaemonFC; More than I ever have in a Chevy.
03:06 matey; without kramer there was no show
03:06 DaemonFC; I never let a Chevy get below 1/4 of a tank.
03:06 DaemonFC; And even that's a real nailbiter.
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03:07 matey; but i still think (even if thats not the actual progeny of the character, which im familiar with) the whole character was a ripoff of jim from "taxi"
03:07 DaemonFC; I have had so many GM fuel senders that would say you had an eighth of a tank left, right? You weren't even on E, the fuel light wouldn't even come on, and you're supposed to have a gallon or two when the light comes on....
03:07 matey; he was in fact based on another guy
03:07 DaemonFC; And it just ran out of gas and broke down.
03:07 DaemonFC; So I never let a Chevy get below 1/4th.
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03:08 DaemonFC; Well, I had a coupld that did that. I don't trust gas gauges anymore actually.
03:08 matey; cccc and you're supposed to have a gallon or two when the light comes on.... <- maybe it just gets REALLY TERRIBLE fuel efficiency when its low :)
03:08 matey; like windows when it doesnt have 25% free space :)
03:08 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:08 DaemonFC; I fill up either before 1/4th or at 200 miles, whichever happens to catch my eye first.
03:09 matey; better safe than sorry
03:09 DaemonFC; Certainly never under 1/4th unless it would mean pulling over in Gary or one of those freeway stations in Chicago.
03:09 DaemonFC; I always fill up before I leave and before I come back so I never had to fill up off the freeway in Chicago.
03:10 DaemonFC; Not only is Chicago a shithole with lots of crime, but you have to go at least a mile or two into the neighborhood before the "Hey, we're next to the freeway. That's another 75 cents a gallon." thing tapers off.
03:11 DaemonFC; By the time you do Chicago, Cook County, and "next to the freeway", you're up over $5.25 a gallon if it's $4 here.
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03:11 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:11 DaemonFC; matey, I got my AC Delco gas cap today. I'm so excited.
03:11 DaemonFC; I plugged in the tether and screwed the cap on and it actually fits.
03:11 matey; now why is that exciting?
03:11 matey; what was wrong with the old one
03:11 DaemonFC; Because I think the computer will stop telling me the gas cap is loose now.
03:12 matey; /me has learned that delco makes good shit
03:12 DaemonFC; Yeah, and Gates doesn't.
03:12 matey; I think the computer will stop telling me the gas cap is loose now <- ah
03:12 matey; has anyone ever ACTUALLY exploded from a loose cap or something?
03:12 DaemonFC; You should see the seals on the Delco cap.
03:12 DaemonFC; Nothing like the ones on the Gates cap.
03:12 matey; i mean if its necessary, then its important
03:12 DaemonFC; The Gates cap has these wimpy little seals.
03:13 matey; wimpy wimpy wimpy
03:13 DaemonFC; The Delco has two seals on it. Two BIG seals.
03:13 DaemonFC; There's not going to be any leakage past that.
03:13 matey; HEFTY HEFTY HEFTY
03:13 matey; lets say you drive around with the cap half on all the time
03:13 matey; or years
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03:13 matey; worst thing that happens is...
03:14 DaemonFC; Yeah, you lose $118.25 worth of gas at current prices, per year.
03:14 DaemonFC; And you won't pass emissions and get your plates.
03:14 matey; thats a bit much, yeah
03:14 matey; i mean if you screw it on for your emissions test...
03:14 DaemonFC; Modern cars have an evap cannister that gathers it and then purges it into the engine every so often.
03:14 matey; fancy
03:14 DaemonFC; So the car collects and runs on the fumes that used to escape into the atmosphere.
03:15 matey; cool
03:15 matey; "literally runs on fumes!"
03:15 matey; "yeah, me too"-- keith richards
03:15 DaemonFC; Yeah, old cars had gas caps that were meant to keep trash and dirt from getting in the tank.
03:15 DaemonFC; But they weren't vacuum tight.
03:15 matey; but very inefficient
03:15 DaemonFC; And the system didn't collect the fumes.
03:15 matey; cool, now i know
03:16 matey; theyre not just a useless accessory
03:16 DaemonFC; Yeah, you'd lose about 7-8% of your potential fuel economy because of the lack of the evap emissions system.
03:16 matey; though i actually imagined they helped the car not explode
03:16 DaemonFC; No, they actually helped it explode.
03:16 matey; interesting
03:17 matey; /me unscrews the cap on his imaginary car
03:17 DaemonFC; If someone rear ends you, the cas caps are designed to blow out on a modern car.
03:17 matey; hmm
03:17 matey; theres a lot of engineering that goes into these things
03:18 matey; in places you wouldnt expect it
03:22 matey; seinfeld did pop culture stupidity better than family guy
03:22 matey; thelma and louise
03:22 matey; priceless. where have i seen that actor though?
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03:26 matey; denis roio... wikipedia: "not notable"
03:26 matey; also wikipedia: "the dealership has its own article"
03:26 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dealership
03:26 TR Bot; The Dealership - Wikipedia
03:27 matey; the actor i was curious about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Hagen
03:27 TR Bot; Daniel Hagen - Wikipedia
03:28 matey; i guess he was on buffy, but maybe hes just making me think of miles obrien
03:28 matey; despite really not looking like him (the hair at least does)
03:29 matey; keiko probably doesnt sound like half as stupid a name if literally any other actor on earth says it
03:29 matey; and he doesnt sound nearly as stupid if he says literally any other group of sounds in the entire franchise
03:30 matey; unfortunately i think he said her name about 5,897,223 times on star trek
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03:30 matey; i might have miscounted
03:30 DaemonFC; matey, Yes, the Arab Oil Embargo and the Ford Pinto caused some engineering to go into modern fuel tank systems.
03:30 DaemonFC; :)
03:31 matey; well, some engineering was a welcome change after the pinto
03:31 matey; "where does this thing go?" "i dunno, stick it somewhere on the bottom"
03:31 DaemonFC; The damned Arabs too.
03:32 DaemonFC; People bitch because the evaporative emissions system needs some attention sometimes, but it would cost more over time to run your car without it.
03:32 DaemonFC; Especially with today's gas prices.
03:32 matey; /me tries to imagine what percentage of arabs actually have any effect on the oil industry
03:32 matey; i realise some of them do, of course!
03:32 matey; it goes without saying
03:32 DaemonFC; Well, hey, if my Buick gets 23-24 mpg in the city for me, then that saves me a lot of money.
03:33 DaemonFC; The best the Impala could do was 17 or so.
03:33 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/28/appeals_court_privacy/
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03:33 TR Bot; US appeals court ruling could 'eliminate internet privacy' The Register
03:33 DaemonFC; If you figure I drive 600 miles or so on an average month, more if I go on vacation or something...
03:34 DaemonFC; THe Buick saves me like 10 gallons in an average month.
03:34 DaemonFC; Over 5 years of just out running errands and stuff, it saves me 600 gallons of gas.
03:34 DaemonFC; Or over $2,500.
03:35 matey; not bad
03:35 matey; something i used to buy all the time went up $2
03:35 matey; i did the math
03:35 matey; all the time = nearly every day
03:35 matey; the math said "fuck this, and fuck these people"
03:35 matey; i almost never buy that anymore
03:36 matey; so from nearly every day to almost never
03:36 matey; good job, $2
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03:38 DaemonFC; Yeah, I quit smoking because it was too expensive.
03:38 DaemonFC; Didn't do it for long. Now that they cost $15 a pack I don't think about it much.
03:38 matey; good a reason as any
03:41 matey; i also may need to learn how to make chocolate
03:41 matey; as all of it is terrible
03:41 matey; i mean nestle is run by a real life dr evil
03:41 matey; everything else is either from the eu or contains pgpr, no thanks
03:42 DaemonFC; Dr. Evil owned Starbucks it turned out
03:42 matey; if you strike all of that, there are a still a few brands like snickers/marathon, 3 musketeers/mars, and milky way
03:43 matey; theres also dove (galaxy) but
03:43 matey; dove has this annoying habit of talking to you
03:43 matey; you unwrap a piece of chocolate and its like "GO AHEAD, YOU DESERVE THIS!" (in writing. not out loud. thank christ)
03:44 matey; and im like I NEED A DIFFERENT BRAND, FUCK OFF
03:44 matey; dont need corporations telling me to enjoy my chocolate, like it was something i was having trouble doing before
03:45 matey; just take the money and give me the chocolate, i don want a conversation about it. with a printing machine. that says the same fucking thing. all the time.
03:45 matey; really annoying
03:45 matey; first it was just dove
03:45 matey; now 3 musketeers is in on it
03:46 matey; and chocolate gets waxier the cheaper they make it
03:46 matey; to the point where theres really very little point in buying it
03:46 matey; even lindt is too waxy now. and godiva tastes like chemicals
03:47 matey; id be worried, but plenty of stuff still tastes wonderful
03:47 matey; its not my sense of taste. its shitty, worthless chocolate
03:47 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/27/amazon_audio_data/
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03:47 TR Bot; Study: How Amazon uses Echo interactions to target ads The Register
03:47 matey; stuff isnt free, it either tastes good or its throwing money away
03:48 matey; i have just enough kitchenware to do a double boiler in modest amounts
03:48 matey; i could make chocolate if i had the ingredients
03:48 matey; i doubt it would be amazing, but the bar is so fucking low now
03:48 matey; but all the store brands: garbage
03:49 matey; and its not because im fancy
03:49 matey; never was
03:49 matey; i prefer 3 musketeers to godiva, i just dont want to talk with it.
03:49 matey; stupid marketing people.
03:50 matey; going after that so depressed you need a pep talk from your chocolate wrapper market
03:50 matey; if youre that depressed you need a doctor, not a chocolate wrapper
03:52 matey; id be perfectly happy to buy chocolate that came in a wrapper that said:
03:53 matey; "if youre reading this, and need a pep talk from some marketing idiots, you may benefit more from professional help instead"
03:53 matey; too bad seinfeld isnt on anymore, this could be one of the plots
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06:10 matey; The Malta boys genome showed that Native Americans can trace 14% to 38% of their ancestry back to western Eurasia, the authors conclude. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.14213?error=cookies_not_supported&code=57af3e02-3c40-45d7-b3de-0cd4539c2d94
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06:10 TR Bot; natives have European roots | Nature
06:10 matey; "This signal is consistent among peoples from across the Americas, implying that it could not have come from European settlers who arrived after Christopher Columbus. Instead, it must reflect an ancient ancestry."
06:11 matey; We already had strong evidence of Siberian ancestry for Native Americans; this study is important because it helps us understand who the ancestors of those Siberians might have been, says Raff.
06:11 matey; This new origin story helps to resolve several peculiarities in New World archaeology. For example, ancient skulls found in both North and South America have features that do not resemble those of East Asians. They also carry the mitochondrial haplogroup X, which is related to western Eurasian lineages but not to east Asian ones.
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06:11 matey; a lot of racism is based on assumptions that are being shattered by genetic research
06:12 matey; not that people are going to go "oh, shit! we were wrong! look, dna says weve been arseholes!"
06:12 matey; but it changes the way pre-history looks substantially
06:12 matey; it brings incredible new insights into the history of human culture
06:13 matey; which didnt spread anything like the way we imagined
06:13 matey; but along routes we never seriously considered before
06:13 matey; or never confirmed before
06:14 matey; people like esr say "look, we have no shared cultural heritage"
06:14 matey; well yes you do mr viking dickbutt, you have way more shared heritage than you think you do.
06:15 matey; /me has nothing against vikings, just idiotic dickbutts wearing viking helmets that know fuck-all about anything (except unix terminals)
06:15 matey; his knowledge about unix terminals is pretty fucking impressive (imo)
06:15 jobs651; Hello matey
06:15 matey; hi?
06:18 matey; There remains some debate about whether there was a single expansion of human groups into the Americas or more than one, says Theodore Schurr, an anthropologist from the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. The data from this paper support a single-migration scenario, he says, but still allows for several sequential ones from the same intermingled Siberian gene pool.
06:18 matey; that was WAY before the beatles!
06:21 matey; Primitive hunter-gatherers may have survived the Ice Age "Up to now, most researchers have agreed that the road to America was closed, so to speak, during the Ice Age, and that the Beringia gate did not open up until the huge ice sheets started to retreat."
06:21 matey; "However, the other 17,000-year-old skeleton from Afontova Gora may overturn this view. It turns out that it has the exact same genetic lineage as the MA-1. In other words, this area is very likely to have been inhabited by the same people throughout the period."
06:21 matey; if this isnt the coolest thing ever, its close
06:22 matey; "So although the evidence is inconclusive, there is increasing evidence that man arrived in America much earlier than 16,000 years ago, as previously thought."
06:22 matey; 'Upper Palaeolithic Siberian genome reveals dual ancestry of Native Americans,' Nature, Nov 2013. doi:10.1038/nature12736
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06:27 matey; Late Paleolithic southern Siberians appear to be related to paleolithic Europeans and the paleolithic Jmon people of Japan.[1] Various scholars point out similarities between the Jmon and paleolithic and Bronze Age Siberians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Siberia
06:27 TR Bot; Prehistory of Siberia - Wikipedia
06:28 matey; /me started on this after hearing a native american story about how they had (specific) brothers of 4 colours around the world
06:28 matey; red, white, black and yellow, like the colours of corn
06:28 matey; (no blue people though. ive eaten blue corn)
06:29 matey; these were brothers sent in "the four directions"
06:31 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlacoyo Tlacoyos come in three different colors, although no artificial colors are added to its preparation. The color comes from the cornmeal used to prepare the masa which the tlacoyo is made with. The most common is blue masa, made from blue corn kernels.
06:31 TR Bot; Tlacoyo - Wikipedia
06:58 matey; the leaders of western civilization are fucking morons and psychopaths, and everyone knows it
06:58 matey; i dont hate white people, i dont hate western culture
06:59 matey; i dont hate europe
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 50.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 430.13
06:59 matey; i dont think the east has all the answers either
07:00 matey; but there are very old cultures that have just barely survived after civilisation tried to kill and enslave them all
07:00 matey; but they have stories that are thousands of years old, which no one gives a shit about because science is all that fucking matters
07:00 matey; i like science, i was raised on science
07:00 matey; i met one of the inventors of the atom bomb
07:01 TR News; Fedora 36 Release Slightly Delayed to May 10 Due to Important Bugs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164271
07:01 TR Bot; Fedora 36 Release Slightly Delayed to May 10 Due to Important Bugs | Tux Machines
07:01 matey; ive also seen the enola gay at the smithsonian
07:01 matey; i still like science. it hasnt told us how to live
07:01 matey; its told us how to destroy humanity
07:01 TR News; Is this an ad? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-Focus-M2-Gen4
07:01 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-Focus-M2-Gen4 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-Focus-M2-Gen4
07:01 TR Bot; Focus M2 Gen4 Announced With Intel Alder Lake, RTX 30 Graphics - Phoronix
07:02 matey; science, what we consider science, has been around for less than 1000 years really
07:02 matey; there are people with cultures who have been around for thousands of years
07:02 matey; people weve ignored, written off
07:02 matey; maybe
07:02 matey; MAYBE
07:03 matey; if we listen a little better to them, we will learn something that saves humanity from its own stupidity
07:03 matey; if not, at least we will hear some interesting stories before we fuck ourselves completely
07:03 TR News; Oh, come on, Linux Today.... https://www.linuxtoday.com/blog/how-to-install-and-get-started-with-c-on-ubuntu-22-04/
07:03 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxtoday.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linuxtoday.com/blog/how-to-install-and-get-started-with-c-on-ubuntu-22-04/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.linuxtoday.com/blog/how-to-install-and-get-started-with-c-on-ubuntu-22-04/
07:03 TR Bot; How to Install and Get Started with C# on Ubuntu 22.04 | Linux Today
07:04 matey; and if we survive, maybe we can put science together with wisdom on how to live for more than 1000 years at a time (which in species years is a pathetic, infantile existence)
07:05 matey; maybe we can be a little less stupid as a species
07:05 matey; its not a guarantee. maybe someone has a better idea
07:05 matey; id love to hear it
07:07 matey; it kind of pisses me off though, that people write off every culture that doesnt have science, meaning every culture older than a few hundred or one or two thousand years
07:07 matey; when this one is ready to kill itself and say its a good thing
07:08 matey; humanity has painted itself into a corner, and its too proud to say "maybe we fucked up somewhere and could go back, relearn something we overlooked"
07:08 matey; because anything that happened before issac newton was OBVIOUSLY complete bullshit
07:08 matey; thats pride-- we kill ourselves but YOU TRY AND DO BETTER
07:08 matey; i mean they did, until we killed them
07:09 matey; maybe that was a dumb idea...
07:09 matey; maybe instead of counting the days until humanity fucks itself we could you know
07:09 matey; try to put some things right
07:09 matey; i mean if we are all intent on dying, we dont need much of what weve taken
07:09 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, April 28, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
07:09 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
07:09 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
07:09 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
07:10 matey; and of course everyone we took it from is dead anyway
07:10 matey; but we could surely do SOMETHING. even a gesture, as long as its sincere
07:10 matey; again, if anyone has a better idea, great.
07:11 matey; theres no law that says we have to remain "western civilisation" though
07:11 matey; we could try some other things
07:11 TR News; Voyager 22.04 LTS Edition Explorer Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164272
07:11 TR Bot; Voyager 22.04 LTS Edition Explorer | Tux Machines
07:12 matey; western civilisation is like a kid that grew up on a diet of candy, and is bored with it
07:12 matey; so hes just going to starve. better than trying something that wont kill you when you eat it.
07:13 matey; im not completely bored with it. i still like youtube.
07:13 TR News; "Security-Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is a type of Mandatory Access Control (MAC) in the Linux kernel." https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/selinux-unmanageable.html |
07:13 TR Bot; SELinux is unmanageable; just turn it off if it gets in your way
07:13 matey; but id like to watch it from a less stupid world than this one.
07:13 matey; maybe watch youtube in a world where google doesnt exist.
07:13 matey; its not like they invented it.
07:13 matey; they bought it, just like microsoft bought dos.
07:13 TR News; "Deleting a Twitter account is quick and easy. You can do it from a PC or through the mobile app." https://www.pcworld.com/article/695148/how-to-delete-your-twitter-account.html | Source: PC World
07:13 TR Bot; to delete your Twitter account | PCWorld
07:14 TR News; "You need the ability to search and manipulate text on the command line, especially when performing repetitive tasks." https://earthly.dev/blog/sed-find-replace/ | Source: Earthly
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07:14 TR Bot; Using sed for Find and Replace - Earthly Blog
07:14 TR News; "In the first article in this series, we concentrated on selecting suitable hardware for your FreeBSD" https://klarasystems.com/articles/part-2-tuning-your-freebsd-configuration-for-your-nas/ | Source: Klara
07:14 TR Bot; Part 2: Tuning Your FreeBSD Configuration for Your NAS | Klara Inc.
07:14 matey; theres a unique kind of hope in a world where everyone is ready to die or be killed or some other dumb shit
07:14 TR News; "For some time I've had an odd problem on my work Fedora desktop" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/XdgDekstopPortalSlownewssWhy | Source: uni Toronto
07:14 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: utoronto.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/XdgDekstopPortalSlownewssWhy https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/XdgDekstopPortalSlownewssWhy
07:14 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/XdgDekstopPortalSlownewssWhy
07:14 matey; if humanity is really ready to give up on itself, if its really that fucking cynical
07:15 matey; maybe its ready to try other things instead of this stupid shit?
07:15 matey; ive seen a LOT of really incredibly stupid shit in my life.
07:15 matey; boring, mundane, pointless, stupid fucking shit.
07:15 TR News; "This issue in particular, with over 490 comments as of this writing" https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/external-graphics-cards-work-on-raspberry-pi | Source: Jeff Geerling
07:15 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: jeffgeerling.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/external-graphics-cards-work-on-raspberry-pi https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/external-graphics-cards-work-on-raspberry-pi
07:15 TR Bot; External graphics cards work on the Raspberry Pi | Jeff Geerling
07:15 TR News; "MacCurdy, along with doctoral students Brandon Hayes and Travis Hainsworth, published their results April 14" https://www.colorado.edu/today/2022/04/18/how-print-robot-scratch-new-3d-printing-approach-melds-solids-liquids |
07:15 TR Bot; How to print a robot from scratch: New 3D-printing approach melds solids, liquids | CU Boulder Today | University of Colorado Boulder
07:16 matey; but theres still a tiny little sliver of maybe we can do SOMETHING
07:16 matey; either way, giving the finger(s) to the old bullshit that got us here-- i dont mean technology
07:16 matey; i mean stupidity
07:17 matey; cultural emptiness
07:17 TR News; Less than a dozen ACTIVE capsules away now... from 1,900 gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
07:17 matey; if thats only a way to go out
07:17 matey; that seems like the best way to go out, too
07:17 matey; its a bonus if it also saves us somehow
07:17 matey; the laziest way out is to just way "whatever"
07:18 matey; its kind of boring though
07:18 TR News; "men in tech will ignore race and gender but argue that height and attractiveness discrimination is a serious problem for men in hiring and promotions" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
07:19 matey; people waste too much effort on whats possible
07:19 matey; and their idea of possible is based on preconceived notions, on a historical line of things where we proved many of those notions to be false
07:19 TR News; No, You Don't Have Time For Another Project gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-28-no-you-don-t-have-time-for-another-project.gmi
07:19 matey; but the pattern is missed
07:19 matey; we get new expectations of limitations, we settle right back into that small way of thinking
07:20 matey; the world gets very weird, very scary for a minute
07:20 matey; then it becomes mundane again
07:20 TR News; Writing my first OpenBSD game using Godot gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/writing-a-game-with-godot.gmi
07:20 matey; thats not science, its cynicism
07:20 matey; einstein didnt think that way, isaac newton sure as fuck didnt think that way
07:21 TR News; Making PDFs from Gemtext gemini://gemini.ucant.org/gemlog/2022-04-28_making_pdfs_from_gemtext.gmi
07:21 matey; if youre going to be inspired by science, maybe look at the level of imagination scientists have
07:21 matey; instead, a lot of the smartest people i know, have such limited imaginations
07:21 matey; they can imagine all the down the street before coming back
07:21 matey; people like newton could imagine to the edge of the fucking universe
07:22 matey; people need to do that more
07:22 matey; maybe theyll come up with better ideas then
07:22 TR News; "Harelang is FOSS programming language which simple to build." gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2022-04-28-building-harelang.gmi
07:22 TR News; [cat] Spotted gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D573.jpg
07:23 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D216.jpg
07:23 TR News; "StackSmith lamented^ that brown switches in a Das-4 keyboard do not have enough feedback to prevent bottoming out. This leads to excessive travel of the switch and jarring taps when the key travels its full distance." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202204/20220428-brown-to-clear.gmi
07:23 matey; the same old shit doesnt seem to be doing us a lot of good
07:24 matey; puritanical farmer thinking
07:24 matey; till the creative soil until there are no minerals left, nothing grows
07:24 matey; all these geniuses with no way to replenish that medium
07:25 TR News; "For sure is always a place, you haven't been on Gopher. If you are in hurry, and you must... generate a new character..." gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/stug/phlog/20220428.txt
07:25 matey; i mean its not either or, you dont have to be stupid to get that back. you only have to stop acting like knowledge accumulation is something linear youve got a firm handle on
07:25 matey; when you cant even think of a way for humanity to make it to the next century
07:25 matey; how fucking stupid is that? thats the pinnacle of human achievement?
07:25 matey; to very quickly paint the species into a corner it cant find a way out of
07:25 matey; sounds fucking dumb
07:25 TR News; "Mastodon is an open-source, decentralized social network founded back in 2016." https://www.thestreet.com/technology/join-mastodon-elon-musk-bought-twitter |
07:25 TR Bot; is Mastodon? - TheStreet
07:26 TR News; "However, Mastodon itself is a nonprofit, so it doesnt have the resources of a major tech company like Twitter or Facebook." https://www.pcmag.com/news/mastodon-gains-30000-new-users-after-musk-buys-twitter | Source: PC Mag
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07:26 TR Bot; Gains 30,000 New Users After Musk Buys Twitter | PCMag
07:26 matey; maybe someone has a better idea, but we are sooooo much smarter, more advanced
07:26 TR News; "Mastodon emerged in 2016 as a decentralized alternative to Twitter." https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-twitter-masatodon/ | Source: Wired
07:26 TR Bot; Elon Musk Can Learn From Mastodonand What He Cant | WIRED
07:26 TR News; "Im very glad that Mastodon (and by extension, the fediverse) is as popular as it is." https://medium.com/we-distribute/one-mammoth-of-a-job-an-interview-with-eugen-rochko-of-mastodon-23b159d6796a | Source: Medium
07:26 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medium.com/we-distribute/one-mammoth-of-a-job-an-interview-with-eugen-rochko-of-mastodon-23b159d6796a https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://medium.com/we-distribute/one-mammoth-of-a-job-an-interview-with-eugen-rochko-of-mastodon-23b159d6796a
07:26 TR Bot; Mammoth of a Job: An Interview with Eugen Rochko of Mastodon | by Sean Tilley | We Distribute | Medium
07:26 TR News; "I jumped into the story in August 2015. At this point GNU social and its predecessors had already been around for years" https://thomask.sdf.org/blog/2018/08/19/from-gnu-social-to-mastodon.html |
07:26 TR Bot; From GNU social to Mastodon
07:26 matey; i dunno. third option maybe.
07:26 matey; maybe
07:27 TR News; "Release notes can be massive enough to sub-projects of their own." https://blog.liw.fi/posts/2022/04/28/release-notes/ | Source: Lars Wirzenius
07:27 TR Bot; Release notes: why and how?
07:27 TR News; "WiFi is ubiquitous. Its in our homes. We look for it in our coffee shops." https://www.sparkfun.com/news/4563 | Source: SparkFun Electronics
07:27 TR Bot; With WiFi - News - SparkFun Electronics
07:28 TR News; "We distrust the browser because weve been trained to." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/trusting-browsers/ | Source: Jim Nielsen
07:28 TR Bot; Trusting Browsers - Jim Nielsens Blog
07:29 matey; maybe we will kill ourselves off, and someday fish will develop high-level sentience through evolution
07:29 matey; and they will find relics of humanity and come up with theories about OUR existence
07:29 matey; and their sceptics will laugh at such a silly idea
07:30 matey; humans are a myth, a crazy story people tell their children for fun
07:31 matey; "they flew but they didnt have wings, just arms and legs"
07:31 matey; "god, thats so stupid"
07:31 TR News; "To be able to answer fast, the Recursor caches information it receives from authoritative name servers." https://blog.powerdns.com/2022/04/28/refreshing-of-almost-expired-records-keeping-the-cache-hot/ | Source: PowerDNS
07:31 TR Bot; Refreshing Of Almost Expired Records: Keeping The Cache Hot | PowerDNS Blog
07:31 TR News; "Knuths optimization is a very powerful tool in dynamic programming, that can be used to reduce the time complexity" https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/knuths-optimization-in-dynamic-programming/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks
07:31 TR Bot; Knuth's Optimization in Dynamic Programming - GeeksforGeeks
07:32 TR News; "When it comes to learning a particular language like Python, books can be the best way" https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/top-10-python-books-for-beginners-and-advanced-programmers/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks
07:32 TR Bot; Top 10 Python Books for Beginners and Advanced Programmers - GeeksforGeeks
07:32 TR News; "I found an interesting piece of phishing based on a PDF file" https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28582 | Source: SANS
07:32 TR Bot; InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
07:32 matey; if you think about the state of humanity, its about as ridiculous as anything you could make up
07:32 matey; but it doesnt have to be like that
07:33 matey; at least it didnt, until we started killing anyone who disagreed with our great plans for modernising EVERYTHING
07:33 TR News; ""Research" is a much broader term than most of us who consider ourselves to be researchers realise." https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/where_do_research_problems_come_from.html |
07:33 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: tratt.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/where_do_research_problems_come_from.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/where_do_research_problems_come_from.html
07:33 TR Bot; Laurence Tratt: Where do Research Problems Come From?
07:33 TR News; "Astronomers predict that one out of every 15 points of light in the night sky will be a satellite within a decade" https://qz.com/2151673/light-pollution-from-spacex-oneweb-others-is-hurting-astronomy/ | Source: Quartz
07:33 TR Bot; Light pollution from SpaceX, OneWeb, others is hurting astronomy Quartz
07:34 matey; westernd-civilisationd
07:34 TR News; "The size and scale of the project flusters astronomers, who fear that the bright, orbiting objects will interfere" https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites.html | Source: Space
07:34 TR Bot; SpaceX's satellite internet project | Space
07:34 matey; aboriginal people, this is your wakeup call
07:36 TR News; "There's plenty of concern about the proliferation of privately owned satellites in space" https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-satellite-internet-explained/ | Source: CNET
07:36 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-satellite-internet-explained/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-satellite-internet-explained/
07:36 TR Bot; Explained: Everything to Know About Elon Musk's Satellite Internet Venture - CNET
07:36 TR News; "In a statement Monday, the IAU said large satellite constellations like Starlink could have unforeseen consequences" https://www.cnet.com/science/spacex-starlink-satellites-have-astronomers-amplifying-cosmic-alarm/ | Source: CNET
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07:36 TR Bot; Starlink satellites have astronomers amplifying the cosmic alarm - CNET
07:36 TR News; "Nasas Perseverance rover had the best-documented Mars landing in history" https://www.independent.co.uk/space/nasa-mars-helicopter-otherworldly-wreckage-b2067263.html | Source: The Independent UK
07:36 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: independent.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.independent.co.uk/space/nasa-mars-helicopter-otherworldly-wreckage-b2067263.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.independent.co.uk/space/nasa-mars-helicopter-otherworldly-wreckage-b2067263.html
07:36 TR Bot; Nasas Mars helicopter spots otherworldly wreckage on Red Planet caused by space agency | The Independent
07:36 TR News; "the wreckage is the work of NASA, a component called a backshell that detached during the landing" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/science/nasa-mars-wreckage-photo.html | Source: New York Times
07:36 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/science/nasa-mars-wreckage-photo.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/science/nasa-mars-wreckage-photo.html
07:36 TR Bot; NASA Sees Otherworldly Wreckage on Mars With Ingenuity Helicopter - The New York Times
07:38 matey; Fri 06:32:07 TR NEWS "When it comes to learning a particular language like Python, books can be the best way" https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/top-10-python-books-for-beginners-and-advanced-programmers/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks
07:38 matey; well thats fucking dumb.
07:39 TR News; "The shortage of semiconductors in the US will persist for at least the next two years" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/hardware-and-storage/resellers/intel-chief-sees-chip-shortage-in-us-lasting-at-least-until-2024.html | Source: IT Wire
07:39 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/hardware-and-storage/resellers/intel-chief-sees-chip-shortage-in-us-lasting-at-least-until-2024.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/hardware-and-storage/resellers/intel-chief-sees-chip-shortage-in-us-lasting-at-least-until-2024.html
07:39 TR Bot; - Intel chief sees chip shortage in US lasting at least until 2024
07:39 matey; i bet you every one of those 10 books is one designed to wipe out python and replace it with some microsoft rust shit.
07:39 TR News; "Arducams new device uses the same libcamera library, ribbon connector" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/arduino-hawk-eye-64mp-raspberry-pi-camera | Source: Tom's Hardware
07:39 TR Bot; Arducam Reveals Hawk-eye, a 64MP Raspberry Pi Camera | Tom's Hardware
07:39 matey; why not list 10 (or 3) books that teach python before it was an EEE language?
07:39 matey; oh, i know
07:40 matey; because constant noise is better than thinking
07:40 matey; s/noise/news/
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07:40 TR News; "But if you havent used your Facebook account in years"... no, it is USING YOU https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/how-to-delete-instagram-facebook-online-accounts/ | Source: Mozilla
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07:40 TR Bot; Internet spring cleaning: How to delete Instagram, Facebook and other accounts
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07:40 matey; wrong button
07:40 matey; TR NEWS "When it comes to learning a particular language like Python, books can be the best way" https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/top-10-python-books-for-beginners-and-advanced-programmers/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks <- spread this link and help microsoft wipe out python!
07:40 TR Bot; Top 10 Python Books for Beginners and Advanced Programmers - GeeksforGeeks
07:41 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/organisations-must-report-cyber-security-breach-within-six-hours/91167778 | Source: India Times
07:41 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/microsoft-study-unclear-on-impact-of-ukraine-attacks-researcher.html | Source: IT Wire
07:41 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/microsoft-study-unclear-on-impact-of-ukraine-attacks-researcher.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/microsoft-study-unclear-on-impact-of-ukraine-attacks-researcher.html
07:41 TR Bot; Organisations must report cyber security breach within six hours, CIO News, ET CIO
07:41 TR Bot; - Microsoft study unclear on impact of Ukraine attacks: researcher
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07:42 matey; most python books contain propaganda about python 2 being unmintained (worse than a half truth) and the superiority of python 3, which isnt a language but a webapi, like rust
07:42 matey; rust isnt a language, its a webapy
07:42 matey; api
07:42 matey; you want to code in rust? you have to get the latest one
07:42 matey; its practically a clown-based language. python 3 is no better
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07:42 matey; python 3 is an oxymoron. python 3 isnt python. its not even a language. its a scam.
07:43 matey; you write in python 3, its already broken.
07:43 matey; thats okay, you can fix it, until youre old and give up
07:43 matey; then microsoft will pave over it.
07:43 matey; you can still learn python, but not python 3, because python 3 doesnt exist. its a lie.
07:44 matey; so go to the link and learn how to replace python with clown.
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07:44 matey; then we can rewrite linux in rust.
07:44 matey; great idea.
07:44 matey; forward, to the clown
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07:45 TR News; "The real question is whether those captured utterances are at meaningful risk for being accessed by an attacker or an insider." https://www.computerworld.com/article/3658974/think-the-video-call-mute-button-keeps-you-safe-think-again.html | Source: Computer World
07:45 TR Bot; the video call mute button keeps you safe? Think again | Computerworld
07:45 TR News; "Today the Irish DPC has settled a case with noyb over a gross delay in two cases on Instagram and WhatsApp." https://noyb.eu/en/irish-dpc-burns-taxpayer-money-over-delay-cases | Source: NYOB
07:45 TR Bot; Irish DPC burns taxpayer money over delay cases
07:45 TR News; "The results followed Metas dismal financial report in February" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/technology/facebook-meta-earnings.html | Source: New York Times
07:45 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/technology/facebook-meta-earnings.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/technology/facebook-meta-earnings.html
07:45 TR Bot; Meta Earnings: Facebook Parents Profit Drops 21% - The New York Times
07:45 matey; :>
07:45 TR News; "And yes, fediverse admins can read your DMs." https://alirezahayati.com/2022/04/28/can-fediverse-admins-read-your-dms/ | Source: Ali Reza Hayati
07:45 TR Bot; Can fediverse admins read your DMs? - Ali Reza Hayati
07:47 TR News; "While proposals to protect access to cash put forward by the banking industry, such as shared banking hubs" https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/almost-half-of-the-uks-bank-branches-are-gone-its-now-or-never-to-halt-the-cash-crisis-ag6B83o1AWKd | Source: WhichUK
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07:47 TR Bot; Almost 50% of the UK's bank branches are gone - Which?
07:52 TR News; "I know Im fucked because they paid me in [cryptocurrency]" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/28/23042819/bitcoin-2022-miami-beach-conference-maxis | Source: The Verge
07:52 TR Bot; Crypto is winning, and Bitcoin diehards are furious about it - The Verge
07:52 TR News; "Finnish Customs has selected brokers for its cryptocurrencies." https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21446-two-operators-to-sell-finnish-customs-cryptocurrencies.html | Source: Helsinki Times
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07:52 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21446-two-operators-to-sell-finnish-customs-cryptocurrencies.html )
07:52 matey; native americans make dick from casinos by the way
07:52 matey; only the investors get anything
07:53 matey; it takes up space on native american land, the feds get a cut, the investors get money, everyone else gets dick
07:53 TR News; "Finnish Customs searched for a cryptocurrency broker" https://tulli.fi/en/-/two-operators-to-sell-finnish-customs-cryptocurrencies |
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07:53 TR Bot; Two operators to sell Finnish Customs cryptocurrencies - Finnish Customs
07:53 matey; theyre a scam... beside the fact that every casino is a scam
07:53 matey; the natives get nothing
07:54 matey; they say they give jobs, these are jobs cleaning toilets
07:54 matey; ive been to one, once
07:54 matey; a lot of people think "at least the natives get money from this"
07:54 matey; nope
07:56 matey; when i was in europe i was trying to get a job cleaning toilets
07:56 matey; anywhere i could work without papers
07:56 matey; i didnt know where to find them, who to talk to
07:57 matey; the thing about toilets is people usually have someone who does that
07:57 matey; like what are the odds you go somewhere and "oh yes! the guy who did that under the table JUST QUIT, good thing you showed up!"
07:57 matey; at any rate that didnt work out
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07:58 matey; but building casinos on native american land just to hire them to clean toilets to fill a federal quota is fucked up
07:59 matey; (i was also working on getting papers, but i also needed more money)
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 21.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 321.25
07:59 matey; (legally getting papers)
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08:00 TR News; "Ultimately, the world population would be too big to feed itself." https://www.the-sun.com/news/5192364/world-run-out-food-27-years-overpopulation/ | Source: The Sun
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08:00 TR Bot; World could 'run out of food in the next 27 years' due to overpopulation, doom mongers claim
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08:09 TR News; "Spotify says it uses open source software to help power its audio experience for both creators and listeners." https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/26/spotify-announces-open-source-fund/ | Source: Digital Music News
08:09 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: digitalmusicnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/26/spotify-announces-open-source-fund/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/26/spotify-announces-open-source-fund/
08:09 TR Bot; Spotify Announces Open Source Fund for Independent Developers
08:10 TR News; "Spotify is setting aside 100,000 for its new support fund entitled Free and Open Source Software" https://www.techtimes.com/articles/274710/20220425/spotify-for-artists-spotify-stats-spotify-stocks-spotify-fund-spotify-creator-fund-spotify-developers-spotify-developer-community.htm | Source: Tech Times
08:10 TR Bot; Spotify Announces 100K Support Fund to Aid Free and Open Source Software Projects | Tech Times
08:10 TR News; "Spotify is starting a Free and Open Source Software Fund (FOSS Fund) to pay maintainers of independent projects" https://engineering.atspotify.com/2022/04/announcing-the-spotify-foss-fund/ |
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08:10 TR Bot; Announcing the Spotify FOSS Fund : Spotify Engineering
08:12 TR News; "When considering alternatives, the suggestions often amount to a return to some moment in the Webs past" https://jacobinmag.com/2022/04/elon-musk-billionaires-democracy-twitter-acquisition-social-media/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine
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08:12 TR Bot; Billionaires Like Elon Musk Dont Know the First Thing About Democracy
08:13 psydruid; 100,000 is nothing compared to the tens or hundreds of millions Spotify spends on other things
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08:13 TR News; Microsoft corruption, graft, theft https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/microsoft-wins-contract-to-make-modified-hololens-for-us-army.html | Source: CNBC see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
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08:13 TR Bot; Microsoft wins contract to make modified HoloLens for U.S. Army
08:13 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
08:13 TR News; "Program officials stated that, if Soldiers do not love IVAS and do not find it greatly enhances accomplishing the mission, then Soldiers will not use it" https://media.defense.gov/2022/Apr/22/2002981953/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2022-085.PDF
08:14 TR News; Spotify FOSS Fund Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164273
08:14 TR Bot; Spotify FOSS Fund | Tux Machines
08:14 TR News; "Its tough to talk about freedom of speech." https://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-does-free-speech-actually-mean-twitter-isnt-censoring-speech-despite-what-elon-musk-and-many-users-think-11651172967 | Source: Market Watch
08:14 TR Bot; does free speech actually mean? Twitter isn't censoring speech, despite what Elon Musk and many users think - MarketWatch
08:15 TR News; "I have the opposite concerns. I worry that we wont be able to count on Musk to stick to his stated principles" https://jacobinmag.com/2022/04/elon-musk-billionaire-twitter-acquisition-free-speech/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine
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08:15 TR Bot; Elon Musk Wont Protect Free Speech Online
08:16 schestowitz; psydruid: they pay some of their staff that
08:16 schestowitz; but they vainly assume it's OK for Free software devs to live on 10k a year
08:16 schestowitz; and pay accordingly
08:16 schestowitz; that's corporations
08:16 schestowitz; it you don't work for us "100% of the time", we don't care about you
08:16 schestowitz; "we only care about you as long as we own you..."
08:16 psydruid; it's all to gain control over them
08:17 psydruid; stick and carrot
08:17 matey; free software shouldnt be developed by corporations
08:17 matey; it doesnt work
08:17 psydruid; "you want more money? work harder, slave!"
08:18 matey; its like having cancer treatments being developed by a company that gets most of its money from nuclear power
08:18 mjg59_; I don't entirely agree
08:18 matey; of course you dont
08:18 mjg59_; I think developing free software is basically always a social good
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08:19 matey; because that outweighs the obvious conflict of interest
08:19 mjg59_; But tying free software just to the licensing means we don't obtain the optimal outcomes
08:19 mjg59_; Yeah, corporations have no incentive to undermine proprietary software
08:19 matey; or support freedom of users
08:19 mjg59_; So simply writing more free software doesn't solve the problems that free software aimed to solve
08:19 mjg59_; And I don't think we can fix that with licenses
08:20 matey; yes, that much is true
08:20 matey; and no, licenses cannot fix that
08:20 mjg59_; So I don't think the problem is that corporations are writing free software
08:20 matey; doesnt follow.
08:20 matey; thats a leap.
08:20 matey; i think corporations are part of the problem
08:21 mjg59_; If they didn't write free software they'd probably still be writing just as much proprietary software
08:21 matey; you say licenses cant fix that
08:21 mjg59_; And it's the proprietary software that we want to get rid of
08:21 matey; but they end up co-opting free software and dragging it back to a non-free system
08:21 matey; over and over again
08:21 matey; its a pattern many of us can plainly see (some deny its there)
08:21 mjg59_; I feel like that would happen even if they weren't writing free software
08:22 matey; but with them writing free software, they gain trust they should never have
08:22 mjg59_; If free software is a social good then we need society to fund it
08:22 matey; its like the scorpion and the frog
08:22 mjg59_; It ought to be possible for someone who's writing code that benefits everyone to be able to live a comfortable life as a result
08:23 mjg59_; Well
08:23 mjg59_; Everyone should be able to live a comfortable life
08:23 mjg59_; But if we take the more general position, then it's not a free software problem - it's that society is set up to fund corporations, not people who are willing to do work on behalf of everyone
08:23 TR News; "Children don't just abuse EDRs, they're also abused with EDRs." https://pluralistic.net/2022/04/27/im-a-backdoor-man/#pedo-backdoor | Source: CoryDoctorow
08:23 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 27 Apr 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
08:24 matey; which is why without socialism, free software will probably always fail
08:24 matey; but
08:24 matey; the fact of a larger problem doesnt mean we can trust corporations with free software development
08:24 matey; all that has done is recreate a monopoly
08:24 matey; via companies you worked for, funnily enough
08:24 matey; not that this is YOUR fault
08:24 matey; though...
08:25 matey; i mean, right now this is a much bigger thing than any of your personal contributions to it
08:25 matey; google and ibm and microsoft in particular (2 out of three aint good)
08:25 TR News; "The reality is the deal will most likely sail through because ours is a world where major communication platforms..." https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7np47/its-the-billionaires-internet-and-were-just-posting-on-it | Source: Vice
08:25 TR Bot; Its the Billionaires Internet, and Were Just Posting on It
08:26 matey; have all funded projects to death
08:27 matey; there needs to be another mechanism for people living comfortably than monopolies (or similar) bribing projects to care more about sponsors than users.
08:27 matey; but these companies certainly do not think so
08:27 matey; they get more power over users, developers get more comfortable lives
08:27 TR News; "More than 55 countries have launched a declaration for the future of the internet" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/internet/over-55-partner-countries-launch-declaration-for-future-of-internet-doors-open-for-india-says-us/91167758 | Source: India Times
08:27 TR Bot; free internet: Over 55 partner countries launch declaration for future of internet, doors open for India, says US, CIO News, ET CIO
08:27 TR News; "Declaration for the Future of the Internet" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/28/23046652/declaration-for-the-future-of-the-internet-eu-us-regulation-commitment-announced | Source: The Verge
08:27 TR Bot; EU, US, and others sign declaration for the future of the internet - The Verge
08:27 matey; everybody wins, only users are fucked in the process
08:28 matey; so companies are happy, their employees are happy
08:28 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, April 28, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/29/irc-log-280422/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/29/irc-log-280422/
08:28 matey; the only thing thats fucked is the whole movement.
08:28 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, April 28, 2022 | Techrights
08:28 matey; we spent 30-40 years in a big loop
08:28 schestowitz; Simmons is happy
08:28 matey; from ibm and microsoft controlling users to...
08:28 matey; oh.
08:28 schestowitz; Gulag, Slaesforce
08:28 schestowitz; they sp[y on everyone
08:28 schestowitz; and they call themselves "Open Source"
08:29 schestowitz; and ask people to purge criticism from Wikipedia
08:29 schestowitz; because Wikipedia too is being policed, by proxy, by corporations, their staff, and reputation management "gurus"
08:29 matey; i mean when ibm and microsoft talk about how important it is to pay people, when theyve exploited and corrupted decades of work by volunteers
08:30 matey; it reminds me A LOT of janis ians and courtney loves rebuttals of the idea that record labels give a fuck about artists.
08:30 matey; these are detailed, incredibly damning rebuttals
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08:30 TR News; Microsoft Digital Restrictions (DRM) https://www.pcworld.com/article/695591/audacity-developer-puts-the-proper-version-on-the-microsoft-store.html | Source: PC World
08:30 TR Bot; developer puts the 'proper' version on the Microsoft Store | PCWorld
08:31 matey; and while love is accurate, shes kind of a horrible person which doesnt mean shes mistaken or incorrect
08:31 TR News; Swinging back to losses. Join the club. Also see: Netflix, Clownflare, and other clowns (vapour) https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/27/spotify-stock-q1-2022-earnings/ | Source: Digital Music News
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08:31 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/27/spotify-stock-q1-2022-earnings/ )
08:31 matey; janis ian as far as i know, doesnt have that problem and their statements are similar
08:31 TR News; Digital Restrictions (DRM) on video waning, like in music. Pop open that bottle of wine. https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/28/23047113/netflix-tudum-editorial-layoffs-streaming
08:31 TR Bot; Netflix is laying off staff from its Tudum fan site - The Verge
08:31 matey; the industry pretends to care about people so it can exploit their work further
08:32 matey; im pro union, its very important for all tech workers to join a union but...
08:32 mjg59_; Yeah having corporations fund free software is clearly not a sustainable path to free software
08:32 mjg59_; Eventually free software cuts into their margins enough that they stop funding it
08:32 matey; having corporations fund free software is clearly not a sustainable path to free software <- this is both true and shocking
08:32 mjg59_; But that doesn't necessarily mean that the fact that they're funding it is bad
08:32 mjg59_; Well
08:32 mjg59_; Ok
08:32 matey; no, THAT doesnt mean its bad
08:32 mjg59_; Let me rephrase that
08:32 matey; other things mean its bad.
08:33 TR News; "she has been working with open cultural heritage for over a decade." https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/28/episode-26-open-culture-voices-susanna-a%CC%8Ana%CC%88s/ | Source: Creative Commons
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08:33 TR Bot; Episode 26: Open Culture VOICES Susanna Anas - Creative Commons
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08:33 mjg59_; If we accept the model that free software should be funded by corporations and that we don't need any alternative mechanism for supporting free software development, then free software never wins
08:33 TR News; "WikiAfrica from 2007 until 2012" https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/28/episode-25-open-culture-voices-iolanda-pensa/ | Source: Creative Commons
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08:33 TR Bot; Episode 25: Open Culture VOICES Iolanda Pensa - Creative Commons
08:33 matey; we agree on that at least
08:34 mjg59_; And if corporate support of free software undermines the development of alternative funding (or other support) mechanisms, it's bad in that respect
08:34 TR News; "internet" [sic] https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/28/declaration-for-the-internet/ | Source: Creative Commons
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08:34 mjg59_; If people are happy with scraps, they'll never fight for loaves
08:34 TR Bot; US, partner countries launch declaration for the internet - Creative Commons
08:35 matey; i personally think corporations are not at all above sabotaging free software and turning decades of volunteer work into products that benefit corporations more than users.
08:35 matey; in practice, not only in theory.
08:35 matey; and the halloween documents imply at least, that was exactly the plan all along
08:35 matey; microsoft learned it from ibm
08:35 matey; google learned it from microsoft
08:36 matey; i mean its not a conspiracy theory if its a plan outlined very clearly in verified memos
08:36 matey; which just happen to reflect what actually happens a decade or two later
08:37 matey; in a way that benefits the two best-known exploiters of such methods
08:37 matey; namely ibm and microsoft, the same damn companies that dominated things 30-40 years ago
08:37 matey; you would think that if liberating users was a goal
08:38 matey; the power wouldnt all flow back to the very place it rested when all the control of users was building up the first time
08:38 matey; i mean, that would be ridiculous
08:38 matey; (it is ridiculous)
08:38 matey; its like the book of exodus leading the jewish people INTO egypt for fucks sake
08:39 matey; "today we are slaves, but tomorrow we will be truly fucked"
08:40 matey; "but hey, i bet youre tired of unleavened bread and not getting paid to wander through the desert"
08:40 matey; "oh yes! lets join a union and build some pyramids!"
08:40 matey; what could go wrong
08:41 matey; i mean, its like everyone forgot what they were doing, and why
08:42 matey; "werent we LEAVING egypt?"
08:42 matey; "no, we just wanted a better life"
08:42 matey; "if we can have that in egypt what difference does it really make?"
08:42 matey; "maybe because we will never be free there?"
08:42 matey; "but they SAID!"
08:43 matey; its so stupid.
08:45 matey; funnily enough, its been nearly 40 years. of wandering through the desert.
08:45 matey; just to end up in egypt again.
08:45 matey; moses would LOVE this shit
08:46 matey; "you want ipads? HERE ARE YOUR IPADS!" and then he throws the tablets at them
08:46 matey; of course we dont have to do the bible, we could do hinduism, buddhism or even feng shui
08:47 matey; theres probably even a fortune cookie with a better idea than this non-plan of action
08:48 psydruid; free software wasn't set up to protect itself from such harmful interference, I blame unnecessary levels of centralization for that
08:49 matey; free software wasn't set up to protect itself from such harmful interference, <- its a hole they never patched
08:49 matey; and funnily enough, by the time people were filing security reports about it
08:49 matey; they had already been taken over by mr. and mrs. wontfix
08:50 matey; /me found a fortune cookie archive, by searching for: fortune cookie archive
08:51 matey; Your destiny lies before you, choose wisely.
08:51 matey; Only you can decide what is important to you.
08:51 matey; It is better to deal with problems before they arise.
08:51 matey; Don't put all your eggs in one basket. "I blame unnecessary levels of centralization for that"
08:52 matey; Better to be the hammer than the anvil.
08:52 matey; Good to begin well, better to end well.
08:53 matey; one for the legion of parrots: Anyone can memorize things, but the important thing is to understand it.
08:54 matey; It is better to be approximately right than precisely wrong.
08:54 matey; one for gnome: If the cake is bad, what good is the frosting?
08:56 psydruid; I wonder how GNOME will take being wholly replaced
08:57 matey; I wonder how GNOME will take being wholly replaced <- mate should have forked gtk and said to hell with the rest of it
08:57 matey; i mean, a fork of gnome 2 was a nice idea, isnt all bad
08:57 psydruid; like from one day to another "you're not needed anymore, please kill yourself now or die a worse death later"
08:57 matey; a fork of JUST gtk would be better (obviously, its not quite that simple. i mean, gtk, but not pango would... you get what i mean)
08:57 matey; gtk2, but no text!
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 49.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 387.65
08:59 matey; i think it depends on the gnome developer
08:59 matey; a bunch would just go work on collabora
08:59 matey; others, microsoft
08:59 matey; still others, baristas.
09:00 matey; i mean there are worse things than being a barista
09:00 matey; id rather make coffee than android apps.
09:00 matey; customers are dicks of course
09:00 matey; i mean some are nice
09:06 psydruid; some gnome developers are nice too
09:06 matey; yes
09:06 matey; but if they stopped developing gnome, that would make them even nicer
09:06 psydruid; those can be sent to the gulag
09:07 psydruid; those who are not so nice can be sent to the north pole
09:07 matey; they can all work for elon
09:07 psydruid; or ukraine
09:07 psydruid; free choice
09:07 matey; i wouldnt personally wish jeff bezos on a living soul
09:08 matey; elon is crazy, jeff is just an arsehole
09:08 matey; a slave-owning, book-burning, library destroying arsehole
09:09 matey; hes the tech industries answer to julius caesar, and i hope he meets a similar fate
09:09 psydruid; he's the product of American exceptionalism
09:09 matey; im not an elon fan either, but not everybody can be satan
09:11 matey; in that event, hes actually manufactured in china
09:15 matey; actually elon fireworks would be super cool
09:15 matey; elon goes up, he doesnt come down
09:15 matey; or at least not in fewer than 1000 pieces
09:15 matey; dammit
09:15 matey; s/elon/bezos/
09:15 matey; sorry elon
09:16 matey; hes the richest guy on earth, the fuck does he care
09:17 matey; they both design rockets. im actually rooting for elon in that (arguably stupid) race
09:17 matey; its not a dumb idea. its the people involved that make it stupid
09:18 matey; elons rocket actually seems cool, but then i used to think the shuttle was a great idea
09:19 matey; if dfc is right about cars, the shuttle was basically an impala (slash pinto) the size of a large apartment building
09:19 matey; "well youve got a problem with this gasket, but nothing that shouldnt cost you oh, 25 or 30 years of service"
09:20 matey; "me, or the vehicle?"
09:20 matey; "sure"
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10:08 tpmd; I think we're conflating problems a bit here. Corporations as "for profit" entities are bad because they take responsibility out of the equation of making money - like an AI given the problem of solving illness and coming up with the solution of killing everyone.
10:08 tpmd; Nobody should "trust" anybody (be it private entity or public corporation) without checking, hence the "open" part of the "source code". If it's not "open", talking about corporations doing bad or good things doesn't make sense, as you don't even know what they're doing.
10:08 tpmd; As for "open source" not being enough. Well, even though it opens the conversation of being useful or not, when it comes with strings attaches it's definitely less useful. It may come with strings attached if its license doesn't allow you to modify or rip parts of it apart, especially if its complex enough, or it has closed source dependencies.
10:43 activelow; another example, how GPL without a guarding standard is dangerous: https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/27/fedora_starts_to_simplify_linux/
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10:43 TR Bot; Fedora dev team starts to simplify Linux graphics handling The Register
10:44 activelow; ^ they are attacking linux console virtual terminal, because, they say, /dev/fb0 directly writing pixel data into isn't sufficiently "simple" for them
10:44 activelow; for this, they envision, UEFI was mandatory
10:45 activelow; microsoft couldn't do any worse to "free software" than what fedora envisions
10:46 activelow; i noticed a while ago, given Xorg is mentioned too, the old non-evdev kbd and mouse drivers for Xorg disappeared from the gentoo tree already (hence i keep those inside an overlay since then)
10:47 activelow; meaning, systemd-evdev already deeply creeped into X11 - which is absolutely unnecessary to do, given evdev offers an additional attack vector against input devices for no obvious reasons
10:49 activelow; next on their roadmap, is Xorg fbdev, which is fast, efficient and stable - in comparison to modesetting/kms/drm with the cortex a53 board i got here Xorg-fbdev is much faster
10:50 activelow; there is zero issues with those, /dev/fb0, the old Xorg input drivers for keyboard/mouse without evdev, Xorg fbdev driver (except for missing randr support)
10:56 activelow; evdev input drivers is another systemd related change rarely noticed by anyone it happened... i removed evdev entirely from kernel and userspace
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.70 k/sec., IPFS upstream 53.95 average k/sec., average swarm size 416.55
11:00 activelow; and i suspect, it will be difficult to convince kernel, to not expose any /dev/fb0, hence they attack Xorg to remove fbdev from there (for no good reason)
11:04 activelow; finally, if Fedora succeeds with their plans, the entire keyboard input and and video output are exposed to and entangled with UEFI and systemd (even when systemd daemon is removed, there is other components which were altered too)
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11:14 tpmd; Yes, bundleware is a vicious "boiling frog" problem. Like the promise of Android as an open source operating system, just to be followed by the buyer (Google) slowly moving every feature into Google Play Services. Or the promise of Microsoft for making an open source terminal emulator, just don't dare look on how to compile that beast without bringing in a load of closed source dependencies and tooling, so you have to use Microsoft Store to install it.
11:14 tpmd; Or Visual Studio Code that also is loaded with telemetry and is moving functionality into thin extensions that use remote services. Or the VirtualBox that's open sourced without the binary extensions that make it usable for more than automation.
11:15 tpmd; And now on systemd, it's not just the fact that it goes against the Unix principle of doing one thing only and doing it well, it's also going the way of developing into a massive complex beast that only few understand but many depend on. And if/when it goes in directions not supported by some users, it will be a pain to rip apart those ties (rooting for Devuan, MX Linux and the like). It needs careful treading, as the RedHat/IBM clients are
11:15 tpmd; corporations, and interests not always align.
11:24 activelow; to my knowledge Devuan and MX Linux didn't bother with dbus, evdev, udev ... which are all part of or related to systemd
11:25 activelow; it is only BaphometOS which removed this
11:26 activelow; currently i am working on wiping the last pieces of Adobe/Microsft/Apple font system from X11, which was another such attack, long before systemd
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11:27 activelow; furthermore i think, most of those Debian-variants use UEFI/Grub nowadays, which are not acceptable to what i consider "free software"
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11:53 activelow; microsoft freetype is strongly entangled with X11... mkfontscale build time dependency, for bitmpapped fonts which are not-scalable... what an irony
11:53 activelow; bitmapped fonts aren't supposed to be scaled, that's why those look horrible when they are scaled outside their intended resolution
11:57 tpmd; Very good observation. MX Linux I think has even systemd installed, even though it doesn't seem to use it.
11:57 tpmd; But while I agree, and identifying the problems is a good first step on doing better, I also am pressed on choosing the "best" (or less bad) options. After all, time and resources are precious. I don't always have the luxury to use open source or to cut out all aspects of "open source" that I consider detrimental, especially when helping others do their job. So it's more about a balancing act, of getting things done now, while not having to pay dearly
11:57 tpmd; later.
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12:00 activelow; the reason, old PCF and PSF fonts didn't look good anymore on Linux is this: historically displays had far lower resolutions and bitmapped fonts were scaled down to match this resolution, and provided a decent font output even with low resolutions
12:01 activelow; in recent years, display resolutions increased, and those old bitmapped fonts weren't available, and if low-resolution bitmap fonts are scaled up this looks horrible
12:01 activelow; yet this doesn't mean freetype/vector/scalable fonts were necessary, all that was required was some bigger bitmapped fonts (PSF for console, PCF for X11)
12:03 activelow; truetype was a massive scam and fraud, to funnel cash into apple/adobe/microsoft pockets, who argued decent fonts were available without them and their freetype
12:04 activelow; instead of providing some appropriate bitmapped fonts for higher resolutions displays, ibm adobe mapple enforced the freetype font system as a "standard" with patent claims attached to this
12:05 activelow; and without it, virtual terminals supposedly couldn't have decent bitmapped fonts for higher resolution displays anymore... what a madness, and they got away with it, even within "free software" and GPL smeared onto
12:07 activelow; the level of intellect, it is an insult
12:08 activelow; not sure exactly what's used with vector fonts, maybe spline-approximation, and some gaussian filter curves, that's not worth a patent, that's maths hundreds of years established before
12:08 activelow; and it isn't the most challenging math by far
12:20 TR News; "cybersecurity club for girls" https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/cybersecurity-club-girls-hello-world-18/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
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12:20 TR Bot; A cybersecurity club for girls | Hello World #18 - Raspberry Pi
12:21 activelow; then adobe/microsoft/apple came along and argued: see, those old fonts look awful on high resolutions screen, here suck this, our patented font rendering, which too is standard
12:22 activelow; remaining silent about the fact, there font system wasn't required at all, the old bitmapped fonts simply didn't match the higher resolutions, which could have been fixed without the patented font system (freetype/truetype)
12:22 activelow; *their
12:23 activelow; besides, bitmapped non-scalable fonts have advantages too: it is much simpler to implement, much faster, and sufficient for almost all scientific authoring and publishing
12:23 activelow; furthermore, TeX typesetting covers those aspects, which aren't with freetype anyway, which is mathematical expressions
12:24 activelow; nonetheless, the patented freetype creeped into TeX too (LaTeX, XeTeX, won't review this in detail)
12:24 activelow; LaTeX = Microsoft, there you have it
12:25 schestowitz-TR; false
12:25 activelow; LaTeX, Lamport, Microsoft
12:26 activelow; and then next, re-think the situation with ReGIS vector graphics and sixels (VT 341 and similar)... which are _extremely_ useful for scientific authoring (plots, visualizations, illustrations), yet none of this is supported by "free software"
12:27 TR News; "[Jeff Geerling] saw the Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 " https://hackaday.com/2022/04/28/a-real-gpu-on-the-raspberry-pi-barely/ | Source: Hackaday
12:27 TR Bot; Real GPU On The Raspberry Pi Barely. | Hackaday
12:29 activelow; btw. i am hitting a nasty build-time dependency (_not_ runtime) of X11 against mapple freetype... and even during build-time freetype isn't necessary except for the fact it is entangled into the build system not easily removed
12:29 activelow; the bitmapped fonts i'll be using do not require any of the microsoft freetype scaling
12:40 TR News; "Most crystal radio receivers have a decidedly field expedient look to them." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/28/multiband-crystal-radio-set-pulls-out-all-the-stops/ | Source: Hackaday
12:40 TR Bot; Crystal Radio Set Pulls Out All The Stops | Hackaday
12:40 TR News; "Imagine if you had some magic glowing beads, that would emit beautiful colors without any wires tangling them up." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/28/plinko-like-build-takes-advantage-of-wireless-leds/ | Source: Hackaday
12:40 TR Bot; Build Takes Advantage Of Wireless LEDs | Hackaday
12:44 TR News; Special 301 Report is blackmail by corporate-imperialistic propaganda https://torrentfreak.com/us-calls-out-countries-for-failing-to-tackle-pirate-iptv-movie-camming-220428/ | Source: Torrent Freak
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12:44 TR Bot; Calls Out Countries For Failing to Tackle Pirate IPTV & Movie 'Camming' * TorrentFreak
12:44 TR News; "A federal court in Seattle has dismissed Bungie's copyright infringement claims against cheat seller AimJunkies" https://torrentfreak.com/court-dismisses-bungies-copyright-claims-against-cheat-seller-aimjunkies-for-now-220528/ | Source: Torrent Freak
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12:44 TR Bot; Dismisses Bungie's Copyright Claims Against Cheat Seller AimJunkies, For Now * TorrentFreak
12:50 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22041858
12:50 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/lg0fvb38obu81.jpg created on 2022-04-18 23:35:39.168452
12:52 TR News; The voting machines should not be used, no matter if you support Trump or not. The proprietary vendors use him as a straw man now.
12:53 XRevan86; Voting Machines is a thing that can be made reliable, but the level of human understanding on how to make technology open and transparent is not there yet.
12:54 XRevan86; Russia introduced a completely fraudulent electronic voting system, and had no negative consequences from that.
12:54 TR News; It's a strategy that voting machine vendors now slander any of their critics as Trump supporters of insurrectionists. They even sue for DEFAMATION> Critics of these machines were vocal even when Bush and Obama "won" elections... (Bush is the controversy here, esp. in FL)
12:55 XRevan86; So it's easier to just say "electronic voting == bad" than to try to explain why one system or another is not open and transparent.
12:55 MinceR; as long as you're willing to let anonymous voting go :>
12:55 TR News; It's a tragedy that proprietary voting machine vendors (like Windows with back doors) now slander any of their critics as Trump supporters of insurrectionists. They even sue for DEFAMATION> Critics of these machines were vocal even when Bush and Obama "won" elections... (Bush is the controversy here, esp. in FL). Microsoft is openwashing that with proprietary ShitHub.
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12:58 TR News; FSFE still calling itself FSFE https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220427-01.html https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.html FSFE is in breach of contract http://techrights.org/2020/08/22/fsf-fsfe-dispute/
12:58 TR Bot; EU Ecodesign: 38 organisations demand the right to access and to reuse hardware - FSFE
12:58 TR Bot; Open letter for the right to install any software on any device - FSFE
12:58 TR Bot; Leak: FSF/FSFE Trademark Dispute (FSF Demanding That FSFE Should Change the Organisations Name) | Techrights
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 558.30
13:00 TR News; "would ensure that people everywhere can connect" to a mass surveillance grid of regimes and corporations that sell data https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/declaration-future-internet-launched-promote-open-web-all | Source: Common Dreams
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13:00 TR Bot; 'Declaration for the Future of the Internet' Launched to Promote Open Web for All
13:01 TR News; US wants to connect the whole world to the Internet because USA controls the Internet and is using it to spy on almost everyone in the planet. No altruism. Domination, coercion tool.
13:02 TR News; "The Army Corps and Biden administration must put people over profits." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/we-dont-trust-enbridge-indigenous-women-push-biden-block-line-5-expansion | Source: Common Dreams
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13:02 TR Bot; 'We Don't Trust Enbridge': Indigenous Women Push Biden to Block Line 5 Expansion
13:08 TR News; "I'm really doing this. I'm moving out of non-profit edtech work into something both weirder and cooler." gemini://inconsistentuniverse.space/gemlog/2022-04-28-windingdown.gmi
13:09 TR News; How roads shaped my life gemini://isoraqathedh.pollux.casa/roads-and-life.gmi
13:11 TR News; "Over the last few epochs, I've noticed a tendency in people to go to great lengths to justify the things they do, be those things hobbies, work, ways of thinking or even the amount of Leche de Cabra Semidesnatada they place in their English Breakfast tea in the morning. I ask myself why." gemini://thurk.org/blog/555.gmi
13:12 TR News; "I dont need to argue with bigots and other cruel idiots online. I dont want to watch my friends argue with them either." gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220429_computer_time
13:13 TR News; Gemini Radio Episode 39 gemini://kwiecien.us/gemcast/20220428.gmi gemini://kwiecien.us/gemcast/20220428.ogg
13:14 TR News; "Congrats, support team member - you have a bullshit job." gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/ayaron/bullshitjob.txt
13:15 TR News; Closing my Amazon Account gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/ayaron/noamazon.txt
13:21 TR News; Microsoft criminals will make it even more evil. Just like they use LinkedIn to attack the Internet as a whole in court. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/blizzards-plan-to-combat-emulation-of-new-diablo-title-just-release-it-on-pc/ | Source: Techdirt
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13:21 TR Bot; Plan To Combat Emulation Of New Diablo Title: Just Release It On PC | Techdirt
13:21 TR News; "Bogus lawsuits are a form of bullying." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/wisconsin-town-lawyer-lies-to-journalist-sues-activist-who-pointed-out-his-lie/ | Source: Techdirt
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13:21 TR Bot; Town Lawyer Lies To Journalist, Sues Activist Who Pointed Out His Lie | Techdirt
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13:23 TR News; microsoft criminals got another bailout, posted in links anyway https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/microsoft-wins-contract-to-make-modified-hololens-for-us-army.html criminals get to PLUNDER the taxpayers http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
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13:23 TR Bot; Microsoft wins contract to make modified HoloLens for U.S. Army
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13:23 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
13:23 TR News; Buying a company that LOSES money https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/technology/musk-twitter-sec.html
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13:23 TR Bot; Elon Musk Loses His Bid to End SEC Twitter Settlement - The New York Times
13:24 TR News; aadhaar https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/04/27/what-cag-audit-report-says-about-aadhaar-regime/ see https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/aadhar-uidai-cyber-spying-cia-wikileaks-report-cross-match-technologies-1032343-2017-08-27
13:24 TR Bot; What CAG Audit Report Says About Aadhaar Regime neritam
13:24 TR Bot; Wikileaks report claims CIA may access Aadhaar card details, government denies - FYI News
13:25 TR News; Latvia https://eng.lsm.lv/article/politics/saeima/war-supporters-can-be-stripped-of-latvian-citizenship.a453248/?utm_source=rss&utm_campaign=rss&utm_medium=links
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13:25 TR Bot; War supporters can be stripped of Latvian citizenship / Article
13:25 TR News; SLAPP https://rsf.org/en/rsf-calls-strong-anti-slapp-measures-eu-parliament-member-states
13:25 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: rsf.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://rsf.org/en/rsf-calls-strong-anti-slapp-measures-eu-parliament-member-states https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://rsf.org/en/rsf-calls-strong-anti-slapp-measures-eu-parliament-member-states
13:25 TR Bot; RSF calls for strong anti-SLAPP measures by EU parliament, Member States | RSF
13:28 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22041832
13:28 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/97r5qpucfbr81.jpg created on 2022-04-18 12:39:20.015300
13:41 activelow; when installing a PCF font for X11, then it must be added to the font search path manually, gentoo didn't do this
13:42 TR News; That's like me over 20 years ago https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/42-of-us-homes-have-ditched-cable-tv-and-gone-broadband-only/ | Source: Techdirt
13:42 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/42-of-us-homes-have-ditched-cable-tv-and-gone-broadband-only/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/42-of-us-homes-have-ditched-cable-tv-and-gone-broadband-only/
13:42 TR Bot; Of Us Homes Have Ditched Cable TV And Gone Broadband Only | Techdirt
13:43 TR News; Twitter will die in a few years. It already makes giant losses. Now many remaining users flee. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/reality-check-twitter-actually-was-already-doing-most-of-the-things-musk-claims-he-wants-the-company-to-do-but-better/ | Source: Techdirt
13:43 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/reality-check-twitter-actually-was-already-doing-most-of-the-things-musk-claims-he-wants-the-company-to-do-but-better/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/reality-check-twitter-actually-was-already-doing-most-of-the-things-musk-claims-he-wants-the-company-to-do-but-better/
13:43 TR Bot; Check: Twitter Actually Was Already Doing Most Of The Things Musk Claims He Wants The Company To Do (But Better) | Techdirt
13:43 activelow; terminus pcf font at 20px size is decent to begin with, and there is other choices, without any dependency against IBM mapple freetype
13:44 TR News; I feel sort of bad for people who build their life (or presence) around Twitter. They must be feeling down right now...
13:44 activelow; and without expensive anti-aliasing/hinting/scaling the terminal emulator is much faster
13:44 TR News; "Content ID isnt really the villain here. But its an accomplice" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/youtube-scammer-pleads-guilty-to-making-off-with-23-million-in-fraudulently-obtained-royalties/ | Source: Techdirt
13:44 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/youtube-scammer-pleads-guilty-to-making-off-with-23-million-in-fraudulently-obtained-royalties/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/youtube-scammer-pleads-guilty-to-making-off-with-23-million-in-fraudulently-obtained-royalties/
13:44 TR Bot; Scammer Pleads Guilty To Making Off With $23 Million In Fraudulently Obtained Royalties | Techdirt
13:45 activelow; the argument for Harfbuzz/freetype/etc, with Farsi/Arab etc... it is obvious such script benefits from higher resolutions, yet again this isn't an argument for freetype, because higher resolution bitmapped fonts are possible too, without expensive scaling/vectors and patented algorithms
13:45 TR News; "The winners of the 40th Hungarian Press Photography Competitions Grand Prizes were announced on 26 April" https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/28/english-covidban-elhunyt-anya-csaladjat-bemutato-fotosorozataval-nyert-nagydijat-a-telex-fotosa | Source: Hungary
13:45 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: telex.hu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/28/english-covidban-elhunyt-anya-csaladjat-bemutato-fotosorozataval-nyert-nagydijat-a-telex-fotosa https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/28/english-covidban-elhunyt-anya-csaladjat-bemutato-fotosorozataval-nyert-nagydijat-a-telex-fotosa
13:45 TR Bot; Telex: Telex photo journalist wins Grand Prize with a photo series about the family of a mother who died of Covid
13:46 TR News; "Plastic is a remarkable material in many ways. Cheap, durable, and versatile, it is responsible for a large percentage of the modern world" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/28/recycling-plastic-into-filament/ | Source: Hackaday
13:46 TR Bot; Plastic Into Filament | Hackaday
13:47 TR News; "Most of us are familiar with virtual machines (VMs) as a way to test out various operating systems" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/28/tiny-risc-virtual-machine-is-built-for-speed/ | Source: Hackaday
13:47 TR Bot; RISC Virtual Machine Is Built For Speed | Hackaday
13:48 TR News; "retail prices of essential goods like food and energy are not set by simple supply and demand." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/one-way-control-inflation-enforce-price-controls-corporations | Source: Common Dreams
13:48 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/one-way-control-inflation-enforce-price-controls-corporations https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/one-way-control-inflation-enforce-price-controls-corporations
13:48 TR Bot; Opinion | One Way to Control Inflation? Enforce Price Controls on Corporations | Wenonah Hauter
13:49 TR News; Bullshit spin. Just get rid of the patents. Produce generics. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/unprecedented-who-chief-urges-moderna-shareholders-back-vaccine-tech-transfer | Source: Common Dreams
13:49 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/unprecedented-who-chief-urges-moderna-shareholders-back-vaccine-tech-transfer https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/unprecedented-who-chief-urges-moderna-shareholders-back-vaccine-tech-transfer
13:49 TR Bot; 'Unprecedented': WHO Chief Urges Moderna Shareholders to Back Vaccine Tech Transfer
13:50 TR News; Graft, plunder, or both? "The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA) set aside $42.5 billion to be spent by the states on expanding access" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/big-telecom-convinces-missouri-lawmakers-to-block-funding-for-broadband-competition/ | Source: Techdirt
13:50 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/big-telecom-convinces-missouri-lawmakers-to-block-funding-for-broadband-competition/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/big-telecom-convinces-missouri-lawmakers-to-block-funding-for-broadband-competition/
13:50 TR Bot; Telecom Convinces Missouri Lawmakers To Block Funding For Broadband Competition | Techdirt
13:51 TR News; "President Biden announced new shipments of weapons to Ukraine, at a cost of $800 million to U.S. taxpayers." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/how-united-states-could-help-bring-peace-ukraine Not peace but MOAR weapons
13:51 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/how-united-states-could-help-bring-peace-ukraine https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/how-united-states-could-help-bring-peace-ukraine
13:51 TR Bot; Opinion | This Is How the United States Could Help Bring Peace to Ukraine | Medea Benjamin
13:52 TR News; US citizens: please STOP bailing out Microsoft criminals. Criminals should ba ARRESTED, not rewarded. https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/aadhar-uidai-cyber-spying-cia-wikileaks-report-cross-match-technologies-1032343-2017-08-27
13:52 TR News; Cancel the patents then https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/greed-costing-lives-global-actions-condemn-big-pharmas-vaccine-profiteering | Source: Common Dreams
13:52 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/greed-costing-lives-global-actions-condemn-big-pharmas-vaccine-profiteering https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/greed-costing-lives-global-actions-condemn-big-pharmas-vaccine-profiteering
13:52 TR Bot; 'Greed Is Costing Lives': Global Actions Condemn Big Pharma's Vaccine Profiteering
13:56 TR News; "Although the bill is mostly geared toward tackling copyright infringement, the way it does so would have serious adverse effects on both privacy and freedom of speech." https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-new-copyright-laws-threaten-privacy-and-freedom-of-speech/ | Source: PIA
13:56 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: privateinternetaccess.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-new-copyright-laws-threaten-privacy-and-freedom-of-speech/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-new-copyright-laws-threaten-privacy-and-freedom-of-speech/
13:56 TR Bot; How New Copyright Laws Threaten Privacy and Freedom of Speech
13:58 TR News; Future of US-controlled surveillance machine https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/eff-statement-declaration-future-internet | Source: EFF
13:58 TR Bot; EFF Statement on the Declaration for the Future of the Internet | Electronic Frontier Foundation
14:07 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/jM6A01c.jpeg
14:07 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/jM6A01c.jpeg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://i.imgur.com/jM6A01c.jpeg
14:10 psydruid; I don't know if I read this article through a link from here or somewhere else
14:10 psydruid; https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/06/ancient-grain-amaranth-food-trend-indigenous
14:10 TR Bot; It could feed the world: amaranth, a health trend 8,000 years old that survived colonization | Environment | The Guardian
14:10 psydruid; and of course I had to look this up while reading it
14:11 psydruid; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Spain
14:11 TR Bot; Irreligion in Spain - Wikipedia
14:13 TR News; termusic - terminal-based music player Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164274
14:13 TR Bot; termusic - terminal-based music player | Tux Machines
14:14 TR News; SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 Public Release Candidate! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164275
14:14 TR Bot; SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 Public Release Candidate! | Tux Machines
14:15 TR News; World Police collective punishment https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/coalition-denounces-us-sanctions-harming-people-worldwide | Source: Common Dreams
14:15 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/coalition-denounces-us-sanctions-harming-people-worldwide https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/coalition-denounces-us-sanctions-harming-people-worldwide
14:15 TR Bot; Coalition Denounces US Sanctions Harming People Worldwide
14:18 TR News; "lobbyists" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/infuriating-telecom-lobbyists-spending-big-money-keep-gigi-sohn-fcc | Source: Common Dreams
14:18 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/infuriating-telecom-lobbyists-spending-big-money-keep-gigi-sohn-fcc https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/infuriating-telecom-lobbyists-spending-big-money-keep-gigi-sohn-fcc
14:18 TR Bot; 'Infuriating': Telecom Lobbyists Spending Big Money to Keep Gigi Sohn Off FCC
14:22 TR News; Chomsky on Misinformation/Disinformation. On the Internet, which the US controls, the Misinformation/Disinformation wars are won by US. Through GAFAM and other imperialism tentacles bankrolled by taxpayers. https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-propaganda-wars-are-raging-as-russias-war-on-ukraine-expands/ | Source: TruthOut
14:22 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-propaganda-wars-are-raging-as-russias-war-on-ukraine-expands/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-propaganda-wars-are-raging-as-russias-war-on-ukraine-expands/
14:22 TR Bot; Noam Chomsky: Propaganda Wars Are Raging as Russias War on Ukraine Expands
14:40 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164276
14:40 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:44 MinceR; https://juhu.is.not.malic.ee/xl/X_Te6Q.jpg
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14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 25.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 371.80
15:02 TR News; Patents: "The Times editorialists excoriated Big Pharma for abusing the American intellectual-property system to jack up prices on drugs" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/28/241019/ | Source: Counter Punch
15:02 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/28/241019/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/28/241019/
15:02 TR Bot; Drug Companies Use Intellectual-Property Laws to Price Gouge the Public - CounterPunch.org
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15:07 TR News; Whats new in Pop!_OS 22.04 LTS, and how to upgrade http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164117#comment-33491
15:07 TR Bot; Pop!_OS 22.04 Launches Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, Powered by Linux 5.16 and PipeWire | Tux Machines
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15:33 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22041762
15:33 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/6k756t2rtit81.jpg created on 2022-04-17 23:14:47.469462
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15:44 TR News; Security and Proprietary Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164277
15:44 TR Bot; Security and Proprietary Software | Tux Machines
15:44 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164278
15:44 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
15:44 TR News; Open Hardware and Linux Devices Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164279
15:44 TR Bot; Open Hardware and Linux Devices | Tux Machines
15:44 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164280
15:44 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
15:44 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164281
15:44 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
15:44 TR News; Mastodon Gaining at Twitters Expense Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164282
15:44 TR Bot; Mastodon Gaining at Twitter's Expense | Tux Machines
15:54 TR News; | Gemini address:
16:02 TR News; Links 29/04/2022: Voyager 22.04 LTS and GCC 12.0.1 Status Report | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/29/voyager-22-04-lts/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/29/voyager-22-04-lts/
16:02 TR Bot; Links 29/04/2022: Voyager 22.04 LTS and GCC 12.0.1 Status Report | Techrights
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16:08 SomeH4x0r; hi
16:08 jobs651; hello SomeH4x0r
16:08 matey; tpmd I think we're conflating problems a bit here. <- no, youre full of shit actuallky
16:08 matey; hi
16:08 SomeH4x0r; hi
16:09 SomeH4x0r; was it a bot?
16:09 matey; hell, probably
16:09 matey; im going to respond anyway
16:09 matey; Corporations as "for profit" entities are bad because they take responsibility out of the equation of making money - like an AI given the problem of solving illness and coming up with the solution of killing everyone. <- well thats A problem, its not THE problem here
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16:09 matey; so already we are talking about something else
16:09 testh4x0r; hi
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16:10 matey; Nobody should "trust" anybody (be it private entity or public corporation) without checking, hence the "open" part of the "source code". If it's not "open", talking about corporations doing bad or good things doesn't make sense, as you don't even know what they're doing. <- "OPEN" is meaningless drivel.
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16:10 matey; As for "open source" not being enough. Well, even though it opens the conversation of being useful or not, when it comes with strings attaches it's definitely less useful. <- youre leaning on a false dichotomy as a distraction and missing the whole point
16:11 matey; the point is that corporations have interfered with free software (using "open source" which is a scam) and dragged it BACKWARDS towards being less free
16:12 matey; none of which is addressed in your bullshit response.
16:12 matey; but i think any honest person would have realised that.
16:12 matey; hence calling bullshit
16:12 matey; which started with "I think we're conflating problems a bit here."
16:13 matey; no. its not "conflating" two of your straw men takes
16:13 matey; its talking about a different problem entirely.
16:13 matey; so as i said, i think youre full of shit.
16:14 matey; "corporations, and interests not always align." <- big picture: theyre completely at odds
16:14 matey; tiny pedantic details: SOMETIMES there are SMALL GAINS designed to mislead people or create trust where it should not exist
16:14 matey; small gains. big losses. simple math. a child could figure it out.
16:15 matey; but an idiot could dance around it all day and miss it.
16:15 matey; as could a liar
16:16 matey; MX Linux I think has even systemd installed, even though it doesn't seem to use it. <- mx gives a choice of init by design.
16:16 matey; so it uses it, depending on boot mode.
16:16 matey; But while I agree, and identifying the problems is a good first step on doing better, I also am pressed on choosing the "best" (or less bad) options. <- well, thats open source for you. reframe the problem, pretend to solve it.
16:17 matey; After all, time and resources are precious. I don't always have the luxury to use open source <- corporations have cost MORE time by co-opting decades of hard work and dragging them backwards
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16:18 matey; reframe it as a "practical" issue (thats part of the open source scam, has been for decades) and then say "well, im just doing what works 'best'" in a way that is meaningless but appears intelligent
16:18 matey; I don't always have the luxury to use open source or to cut out all aspects of "open source" that I consider detrimental, especially when helping others do their job. So it's more about a balancing act <- well, youre a shill and an idiot.
16:19 matey; and probably a bot, but thats incidental.
16:19 matey; your owner is an idiot.
16:19 matey; if youre in marketing, kill yourself.
16:19 matey; if youre in open source, kill yourself.
16:19 SomeH4x0r; hi bnchs
16:19 jobs651; hello SomeH4x0r
16:20 SomeH4x0r; yes, seems this thing is a bot
16:20 bnchs; hey
16:20 matey; <SomeH4x0r> yes, seems this thing is a bot <- doesnt make it immune to a response though
16:21 SomeH4x0r; will you be back on UplinkIRC btw?
16:21 matey; you keep asking, but i show no interest in it
16:21 matey; you have your way of doing things. i have mine.
16:21 SomeH4x0r; did ask bnchs though, and they did come there
16:21 matey; thats cool too
16:22 psydroid2; as you seem to exist, just kill yourself anyway
16:22 SomeH4x0r; and didn't see barto yesterday, and not yet today, they either have some issues again, or disappeared like many people from Uplink do
16:22 psydroid2; it's an IDGAFMAN bot and should be dealt with accordingly
16:23 psydroid2; trbd, are you dead yet?
16:23 matey; i seem to be filtering it somehow
16:23 matey; but it was in the backlog
16:23 psydroid2; if not, we can help you reach nirvana
16:23 XRevan86; https://youtu.be/mMAsVmndRug https://youtu.be/HDFqaLEEjGo finally.
16:23 TR Bot; https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=mMAsVmndRug
16:24 TR Bot; invidious.namazso.eu | CNN has published a video from Bucha, which confirms that the Russian military killed civilians. - Invidious
16:24 TR Bot; https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=HDFqaLEEjGo
16:24 TR Bot; inv.riverside.rocks | Ukraine: Drone footage shows Russian military in Bucha - Invidious
16:24 matey; progress, XRevan86?
16:25 XRevan86; matey: Not a game-changer, in my opinion, because of the footage released by Meduza on April 7th about March 23-24, 25, 28-30, but it's nice to have additional footage.
16:25 activelow; XRevan86: rumors were Ukrainian military committed attrocities too
16:25 activelow; in Bucha
16:26 XRevan86; Also the videos on Meduza were released raw in high resolution. I've even seen fake reports that tried to look like CNN using that earlier released videos.
16:27 XRevan86; activelow: Those rumours don't even make sense according to the official Russian military timeline.
16:27 XRevan86; activelow: Keep in mind that the Ministry of Defence said that there were no bodies on the street when the army left Bucha on March 30th.
16:28 matey; "they werent in the streets. we dumped them in the skips"
16:28 XRevan86; matey: I made a more conservative statement because I don't want to accidentally overstate and I don't want to bother looking for the actual quote.
16:29 matey; thats good, one of us should be the voice of reason
16:29 matey; might as well be the one paying more attention to details
16:29 XRevan86; The idea was that when Russia left Bucha, everything was civil there.
16:29 TR News; "Interesting Times is the seventeenth Discworld novel and certainly not the place to start. At the least, you will probably want to read The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic before this book, since it's a sequel to those (although Rincewind has had some intervening adventures)." https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/reviews/books/0-06-227629-8.html
16:29 TR Bot; Review: Interesting Times by Terry Pratchett
16:30 XRevan86; So when the facts come in that paint a very different picture, that's serious.
16:30 matey; the premise of an argument is the part that never changes
16:31 matey; people like activelow (not always! ive seen exceptions) start with a premise, from which an argument proceeds which could appear to... go somewhere
16:31 TR News; An open source developers guide to systems programming | https://opensource.com/article/22/4/systems-programming Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
16:31 TR Bot; open source developer's guide to systems programming | Opensource.com
16:31 matey; but if the error is in the premise, its going to still be in the premise at the end of the argument
16:31 XRevan86; Putin made a statement that Russia has proof that the Russian army is innocent here. Well, I'm waiting for that proof. A person saying they have proof is not proof in my book.
16:32 XRevan86; Earlier Lukashenko said that it was the Brits.
16:32 matey; and it will be in the conclusion, because the premise of an argument doesnt change
16:32 XRevan86; If they're going to show the "proof", it sure is going to be entertaining.
16:32 matey; Putin made a statement that Russia has proof <- ohh, well, if PUTIN said it...
16:32 TR News; Fedora Magazine: From ifcfg to keyfiles: modernizing NetworkManager configuration in Fedora Linux 36 https://fedoramagazine.org/converting-networkmanager-from-ifcfg-to-keyfiles/
16:32 TR Bot; From ifcfg to keyfiles: modernizing NetworkManager configuration in Fedora Linux 36 - Fedora Magazine
16:33 matey; If they're going to show the "proof", <- maybe they could say "those are holograms" and wave their hand through one
16:33 XRevan86; matey: Yea, and he was looked very convincing, must be real serious.
16:33 matey; "look, ee?"
16:33 XRevan86; * he looked
16:33 matey; oh, well, if he looked convincing, it must be true :)
16:33 XRevan86; matey: Exactly.
16:33 matey; i mean, if he had started giggling in the middle of it we would know he was lying
16:33 matey; but if he had that plaster straight face ive never seen him deviate from...
16:34 matey; i mean he must be the most honest politician on earth. his face never moves when he talks.
16:34 matey; of course sociopaths can keep a straight face really well.
16:34 matey; but lets not jump to conclusions
16:35 bnchs; SomeH4x0r, i forgot about Uplink
16:35 bnchs; i have it set to auto-connect
16:35 XRevan86; matey: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/04/we-need-to-discourage-putin I'm expecting this level of proof.
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16:35 TR Bot; NO TITLE
16:35 matey; there you go
16:36 XRevan86; But ye have to admit, it's entertaining.
16:36 matey; sort of
16:36 XRevan86; Disturbing but entertaining.
16:36 matey; i mean, british black humour works like any other humour
16:37 matey; i figure eastern european black humour is not fundamentally different
16:38 matey; i suppose if you gave pauline from league of gentlemen control of the vestiges of the russian empire
16:39 XRevan86; It's more like accidental black humour. It's possible to be a comedian while also just referencing and quoting what state officials said.
16:39 matey; it wouldnt be too much different from what we have now
16:39 matey; It's possible to be a comedian while also just referencing and quoting what state officials said. <- you can say that again
16:39 XRevan86; With no original content or remarks.
16:39 matey; a bit like when south park made fun of mormons and scientologists by basically just documenting their actual beliefs
16:40 matey; (the mormon one was set to music)
16:40 matey; (and that episode eventually turned into a broadway musical called "the book of mormon")
16:40 bnchs; with a bit of "dumb dumb dumb dumb"
16:40 matey; heh
16:41 matey; katherine harris smart smart smart, martin harris dumb dumb dumb!
16:42 XRevan86; matey: A lot of ludicrous quotes from Lukashenko get ignored because the market is oversaturated.
16:42 matey; i mean imagine if george w bush and trump were in high office at the same time
16:43 XRevan86; The memers really like this one: https://youtu.be/B0FeABbLPeo
16:43 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=B0FeABbLPeo
16:43 TR Bot; invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | MEM / / Lukashenko Meme - Invidious
16:44 matey; /me wonders whatever became of the woman who ran trumps campaign
16:44 matey; hillary something. a candidate so terrible, they elected HIM instead
16:44 jobs651; hello matey
16:44 matey; hi jobs, are you a bot?
16:44 matey; you say hi matey and nothing else
16:44 SomeH4x0r; hi abcd
16:45 SomeH4x0r; I wonder if it triggered on "hi*"
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16:45 SomeH4x0r; "hillary"
16:45 SomeH4x0r; maybe ^hi*
16:45 SomeH4x0r; hello
16:45 TR News; Easy GE-Proton installer ProtonUp-Qt now shows Steam Deck compatibility | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/easy-ge-proton-installer-protonup-qt-now-shows-steam-deck-compatibility/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
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16:45 TR Bot; GE-Proton installer ProtonUp-Qt now shows Steam Deck compatibility | GamingOnLinux
16:45 XRevan86; > I will now show you the location, which they planned to use as a base to attack Belarus. If there had not been a preventive strike on the positions - four positions - six hours before the operation - I will show you the map that I brought with me - they would have attacked the troops of Belarus and Russia, which were conducting exercises. So, we did not unleash this war, our conscience is clear.
16:45 XRevan86; matey: Found a decent translation.
16:46 XRevan86; It's his most famous quote now.
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16:46 matey; So, we did not unleash this war, our conscience is clear. <- oh its a war now?
16:46 matey; i thought it was a special military operation
16:46 bnchs; comp.techrights
16:47 XRevan86; https://youtu.be/80PZSyRRxow so dank
16:47 TR Bot; https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=80PZSyRRxow
16:47 TR Bot; invidious.weblibre.org | - | , - Invidious
16:47 matey; lol
16:48 XRevan86; https://youtu.be/18TFz4og-cE
16:48 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=18TFz4og-cE
16:48 matey; see, russia was only defending itself-- there was a preemptive, sorry! preventative strike
16:48 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=18TFz4og-cE )
16:48 matey; on 4 locations
16:48 matey; their aim is terrible and probably got WAY more than 4
16:48 matey; but we can put that down to equipment trouble
16:48 TR News; Wireless Ear Buds Powered by Open Source? Sounds Good To Me! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164283
16:48 TR Bot; Wireless Ear Buds Powered by Open Source? Sounds Good To Me! | Tux Machines
16:49 TR News; The future of Linux: Fedora project leader Matthew Miller weighs in Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164284
16:49 XRevan86; matey: "oh its a war now?" <- Don't expect consistency.
16:49 TR Bot; The future of Linux: Fedora project leader Matthew Miller weighs in | Tux Machines
16:49 matey; i mean they meant to strike here, here, here and here
16:49 XRevan86; Pretty sure he never showed the positions.
16:49 matey; and instead, they got here, here, here, here, here, here, here, there, there, there, here, here, here, here, here, here, there, there, here, and there.
16:49 matey; but the museum was the KEY location.
16:50 matey; its where they kept all the guidance computers.
16:50 matey; /me tsks
16:50 TR News; Gratis ads?? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/a-4th-gen-kubuntu-focus-m2-laptop-is-out-now/ I don't see referral code in the URL, so I assume no tracking
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16:50 TR Bot; 4th Gen Kubuntu Focus M2 laptop is out now | GamingOnLinux
16:51 matey; Don't expect consistency. <- i wouldnt
16:51 XRevan86; https://youtu.be/al0J9BNsMQk https://youtu.be/dmVo4aR3Rtw
16:51 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=al0J9BNsMQk
16:51 TR Bot; yewtu.be | - Invidious
16:51 TR Bot; https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=dmVo4aR3Rtw
16:51 TR Bot; invidious.snopyta.org | ... - Invidious
16:51 XRevan86; So many good ones.
16:51 matey; apparently the russian media is run by tom cruise himself
16:52 matey; xenu was engaged
16:52 TR News; You don't need a whole EPYC crate to run this test https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-epyc7601&num=1 see http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
16:52 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-epyc7601&num=1 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-epyc7601&num=1
16:52 TR Bot; EPYC Performance Over The Past Six Years Of Ubuntu Linux LTS Releases - Phoronix
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16:52 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
16:52 TR News; Games: Projekt Z, ProtonUp-Qt, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164285
16:52 TR Bot; Games: Projekt Z, ProtonUp-Qt, and More | Tux Machines
16:52 TR News; Kubuntu Focus M2 Linux laptop now available with Intel Core i7-12700H Alder Lake-H Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164286
16:52 TR Bot; Kubuntu Focus M2 Linux laptop now available with Intel Core i7-12700H Alder Lake-H | Tux Machines
16:53 XRevan86; https://globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/belarus/2022/belarus-220311-kremlin01.htm full transcription
16:53 TR Bot; Meeting with President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko
16:54 XRevan86; Biological laboratories included.
16:55 matey; darn those things
16:55 matey; ukraine has one on every corner, like churches in italy.
16:56 XRevan86; Them Americans are developing genetic viruses that will eliminate the Slavic ethnicity.
16:56 TR News; meson: add a video codec support option (!15258) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15258"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
16:56 TR Bot; meson: add a video codec support option (!15258) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
16:56 matey; thats a shame, slavic women are by far among my favourites
16:56 MinceR; does lukashenka also explain JFK Jr.'s failure to come back from the dead?
16:57 matey; maybe we can find some way to *cough* repopulate the slavic race(s) in a hurry
16:57 MinceR; 29 175616 < XRevan86> Them Americans are developing genetic viruses that will eliminate the Slavic ethnicity.
16:58 MinceR; oh, i thought they were viruses that would eliminate russians but not ukrainians, despite them being allegedly the same ethnicity.
16:58 XRevan86; MinceR: There is some variety in thought here.
16:58 matey; <MinceR> does lukashenka also explain JFK Jr.'s failure to come back from the dead? <- he would do, if ukraine wasnt standing in his way!
16:58 MinceR; variety, perhaps. thought, i have yet to see.
16:59 matey; variety has gotten a lot better now that hitchens is finally dead
16:59 MinceR; matey: is the gate of the underworld in ukraine?
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 33.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 321.53
16:59 XRevan86; MinceR: "thought" <- I used the word casually, I think the medical term is "delirium"
17:00 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lwCy6yn4SDY
17:00 TR Bot; Coffee & Cigarettes - Delirium - Bill Murray with RZA & GZA - Invidious
17:00 MinceR; :>
17:03 TR News; "with Windows 11 Pro pre-installed." So why even post that in this site? It's coming PRE-loaded with malware, which you don't get to opt out of; worse: you PAY for it. https://linuxgizmos.com/apcsilmic-releases-arm-based-dot-1-mini-pc-with-optional-4g-lte-support/
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17:03 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/apcsilmic-releases-arm-based-dot-1-mini-pc-with-optional-4g-lte-support/ )
17:04 TR News; Steam is Now on the Snap Store And You Can Help Test It Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164287
17:04 TR Bot; Steam is Now on the Snap Store And You Can Help Test It | Tux Machines
17:04 TR News; Redox OS 0.7.0 - Redox - Your Next(Gen) OS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164288
17:04 TR Bot; Redox OS 0.7.0 - Redox - Your Next(Gen) OS | Tux Machines
17:04 SomeH4x0r; just fucking warez
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17:12 TR News; "Poppler has had the feature of being able to fill in forms, create annotations and more recently add Digital Signatures to existing PDF files." https://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2022/04/poppler-finally-has-support-for.html
17:12 TR Bot; TSDgeos' blog: Poppler finally has support for embedding fonts in PDF files!
17:15 TR News; Privacy Washing: Do As I Say, Not As I Do - Purism https://puri.sm/posts/privacy-washing-do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do/ Source: puri
17:15 TR Bot; Privacy Washing: Do As I Say, Not As I Do Purism
17:35 MinceR; https://thecodinglove.com/when-the-intern-updates-the-npm-packages-in-production
17:35 TR Bot; When the intern updates the npm packages in production | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes
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17:56 activelow; nice, X11 is back, all fontconfig magic removed, with beautiful fonts, and terminal is much faster now since expensive anti-aliasing/hinting isn't necessary anymore with PCF fonts...
17:56 activelow; next, trying to hack suckless.org simple terminal to utilize X11 pcf fonts instead of IBM Mapple freetype
17:57 activelow; it is not perfect yet; nonetheless, given the fact rxvt-2.7.10 is deprecated for 20years it seems good
17:57 activelow; and i think, if suckless st can be hacked to support PCF fonts, this will be the fastest ever terminal emulator available
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18:09 activelow; and both, rxvt-2.7 and suckless st are known to support some graphics related capabilities, required for ReGIS and sixels...
18:13 matey; https://thecodinglove.com/when-the-intern-updates-the-npm-packages-in-production <- oh was he an intern? i thought he was just a dick who couldnt tell putin from any other russians
18:15 matey; nice, X11 is back, all fontconfig magic removed, with beautiful fonts, and terminal is much faster now since expensive anti-aliasing/hinting isn't necessary anymore with PCF fonts... <- theres also some way to do this with fontconfig magic (no expensive anti-aliasing/hinting) but obviously that wouldnt save compiling without c++ etc
18:16 matey; if suckless st can be hacked to support PCF fonts, this will be the fastest ever terminal emulator available <- not if their scrolling routine is slower
18:17 matey; its the scroll (through millions of lines if needed) that makes xterm crazy fast
18:18 activelow; rxvt/xterm speed is nowhere near of suckless st
18:18 activelow; and fontconfig does have a c++ dependency graph, and i havn't decided yet, wether fontconfig/freetype will be kept or not
18:19 activelow; certainly i'll keep the dependencies against mapple freetype minimal (because it is slow)
18:19 matey; fwiw ive just compared xterm and urxvt
18:19 matey; and urxvt is even faster, so xterm must be some compromise due to urxvt not having some feature i want
18:19 matey; xterm isnt faster than urxvt, at least not here
18:19 matey; that was reported in error
18:20 activelow; i don't know, there is some tricks with any terminal, such as async scrolling, PCF fonts... which boost the speed of all of them considerably
18:20 matey; of course
18:20 activelow; however, suckless st would be perfect, with the tests i made, i had seen suckless being 10x faster than an already tweaked rxvt
18:21 activelow; yet, i'll have to hack this, because it still depends on fontconfig, which i do _not_ accept inside a terminal emulator
18:21 activelow; i mean, fonconfig/freetype with ghostscript is acceptable, it doesn't belong into a terminal emulator
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18:30 matey; fonconfig/freetype with ghostscript is acceptable, it doesn't belong into a terminal emulator <- i dont think there are any terms with ghostscript available
18:31 matey; though saying theres no place for ttf in a term window is definitely not a statement i would make
18:31 activelow; didn't say this; i say _most_ terminal emulators utilize fontconfig/freetype, which is a very bad design choice
18:31 matey; you know a lot of them let you turn it off
18:31 matey; and use bitmapped fonts
18:32 psydroid2; suckless actually sucks more
18:32 matey; for example, xterm and urxvt are both using bitmapped fonts here
18:32 matey; xterm can use ttf but doesnt by default
18:32 activelow; ^ which is how it should be with a terminal emulator
18:33 matey; i mean, im quite fond of using the vt with framebuffer turned off
18:33 matey; so the fonts are hardware-based
18:33 matey; many times ive fiddled with grub to accomplish this
18:33 matey; just the config file
18:33 matey; though one thing that was great about dos...
18:34 activelow; correction: foncfonfig/freetype does _not_ have a c++ dependency graph (only harfbuzz/gnome/gtk do)
18:34 matey; vga (hardware) fonts 80x50 (too small for long term use) and better, 80x43
18:34 matey; 80x43 mode is very nice
18:34 matey; so much more to work with than 80x25
18:34 matey; but not as ridiculously small as 80x50
18:34 activelow; yet there is other reasons, to carefully look at what terminal emulators are capable of, or aren't: ReGIS and sixel, to mention another one, BSD pty support, no-c++
18:35 matey; if thats possible (without framebuffer) in gnu/linux, its arcane knowledge (afaik)
18:35 matey; ditto openbsd, i mean i wouldnt be surprised if it were possible, i dont know how
18:35 matey; yet there is other reasons, to carefully look at what terminal emulators are capable of, or aren't: ReGIS and sixel, to mention another one, BSD pty support, no-c++ <- i get those are goals of your project
18:35 matey; <psydroid2> suckless actually sucks more <- it really depends
18:36 matey; i love dwm, i have yet to fall in love with st
18:36 activelow; it isn't project-specific matey, some criteria apply to _all_ terminal emulators
18:36 matey; some criteria apply to _all_ terminal emulators <- in your mind at least
18:38 activelow; ReGIS and sixels existed long before i was born matey; and terminal emulators didn't require anti-aliasing/hinting together with a GFLOP of processing power to output characters into terminal
18:40 activelow; better question the sanity of those who implemented terminal emulators differently, without vector graphics support for scientific work
18:42 matey; O3RO3R better question the sanity of those who implemented terminal emulators differently <- yes, its crazy to have fonts that make it so you can use the computer longer with less train
18:42 matey; strain
18:42 matey; i mean they should be optional of course
18:43 matey; but even giving the option? crazy!
18:44 activelow; are you implying eye fatigue can be cured with font anti-aliasing and hinting which require a 1GFLOP of processing power?
18:44 matey; i mean just the word "terminal emulator" comes from old german termingung munglattung which means "youd be fucking crazy to use vectors here"
18:44 matey; cured? no
18:44 activelow; i am well aware of the problem of eye fatigue, and too know what is helpful with it
18:44 matey; can anti-aliasing REDUCE strain? fuck yes
18:45 matey; and too know what is helpful with it <- this should be fun to learn
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18:46 matey; nine years ago, the p4 came out
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18:47 matey; capable of 1.84 TERAFLOPS
18:47 matey; at $400, the cost of a "gflop" in 2013 was 22 cents
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18:47 matey; so 22 cents worth of that processor is what it costs to have font anti-aliasing
18:47 matey; in 2013.
18:48 matey; i think some people are happy to spend 22 cents on anti-aliased fonts
18:48 matey; hell, even if it was two dollars-- which it was closer to in 2011
18:48 activelow; font anti-aliasing and hinting need alot of processing power if done real-time within terminal emulator; that's why cmatrix screen-saver was hitting 100% CPU usage
18:49 activelow; which is ridiculous, a terminal emulator caused this
18:49 matey; in 2007 the cost of a gflop was $50
18:49 matey; in 2003 it was $100-- see a pattern here?
18:49 matey; which is ridiculous, a terminal emulator caused this <- YES! its a well known fact that a ps4 would cost half as much if people used bitmapped fonts in unix.
18:50 activelow; thing is, my terminal emulator now requires <0.001GFLOPS and hits close to zero cpu usage instead of 100%
18:50 matey; thats cool
18:50 matey; but its not CRAZY to use more
18:51 matey; in 2015 the cost of a gflop was down to 8 cents. but it should cost 5 cents.
18:52 matey; 2017? five years ago? 3 cents.
18:52 matey; 3 cents to have anti-aliased fonts
18:53 matey; of course by then, some idiot at ibm probably increased the power needed to TWO gflops. well, thats 6 cents. but it should cost 5 cents.
18:54 matey; thats on a 38 teraflop system
18:54 matey; which is far more than i need
18:54 matey; but no matter what you do, anti-aliased fonts are not the biggest problem here
18:54 matey; lots of things are a hundred times crazier than that
18:54 matey; really useless stuff
18:55 activelow; of cause, there is many more issues; such as missing ReGIS and sixels support, which is _the_ feature of a *nix virtual terminal, to do scientific work with
18:55 *psydroid2 fragt sich, ob es eine terminale krankheitsausstattung fr termingung minglattung gibt
18:55 matey; prices (of a gflop) generally fall at around an order of magnitude every five years
18:56 matey; i dont think anyone is going to be happy doing "scientific work" with sixel resolution, when youve got a framebuffer RIGHT THERE
18:56 matey; theyre going to use pixels
18:57 matey; sixels are a cool hack
18:57 activelow; and there is ReGIS too
18:57 matey; pretending theyre some kind of scientific instrumentation in 2022 is a bit silly
18:57 matey; im not familiar with regis
18:57 activelow; or better to say, there isn't
18:58 activelow; exactly, why bother, why would a *nix terminal need capabilities to plot diagrams? and a format supporting this with *nix TTY and 9pin matrix plotters?
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.98 k/sec., IPFS upstream 42.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 426.46
18:59 activelow; which is, features, already supported with i8086 era terminals
18:59 matey; ill be happy to eat my words if scientists in low-income situations start using unix on 8bit microcontrollers.
19:00 activelow; besides the issues NASA had, to source i8086 hardware spare parts for their Space Shuttle; terminal emulators which aren't capable anymore of what a terminal was 40 years ago....
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19:02 matey; heres some devils advocacy (only for the sake of sanity)
19:02 matey; maybe the reason that terminals dont have full capabilities compared to 40 years ago...
19:03 matey; is that 40 years ago they were trying REALLY HARD to sell as many of those as possible, AND added a bunch of (relatively) useless features, just like gnome does to gnu/linux today.
19:03 matey; and, realising this, instead of keeping a lot of that cruft, it was dumped over time from the 80s to the present.
19:03 matey; just a theory.
19:04 matey; also keeping in line with present trends, im equally confident that at least a few USEFUL features were abandoned as well..
19:04 matey; and bringing those back would be cool
19:05 matey; but making that out to be so much more damning than it really is...
19:05 matey; useless features (lots of them) get added to whatever theyre trying to sell NOW
19:05 matey; sometimes, useful features are abandoned as a result. bring those back
19:05 matey; dont presume the useless features of yesterday are the same as the few important features that were lost
19:06 XRevan86; https://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/too-skeptical/ This represents me perfectly.
19:06 TR Bot; connection reset by peer ( status 0 @ https://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/too-skeptical/ )
19:06 matey; they were gimmicks then, just like ribbon menus are today
19:06 matey; i dont miss 16bit memory paging AT ALL, even if it would be cool to do some 8 bit computing
19:07 matey; 16bit memory paging was a fucking pain in the arse (at least for me, some people handled it quite deftly. some people code in rust too)
19:07 matey; when things went 32 bit, some basic tasks got A WHOLE LOT easier
19:08 matey; 64 bit (afaict) has few such advantages for say, writing scripts.
19:08 matey; maybe if youre using c its 100x better
19:08 matey; i dont know
19:08 matey; i dont pretend to know
19:09 matey; but the one area where 64bit is surely better is if you need more than xGB of ram
19:09 matey; then im sure trying to do that with 32bit is 16bit memory paging all over agin
19:09 matey; as it happens i never use that much ram
19:10 matey; never. but some do.
19:10 matey; i dont say its crazy to use 64 bit when you need that much ram, if you really need that much ram
19:11 matey; if you need that much ram for some gnome bullshit, that probably is crazy
19:12 *psydroid2 wouldn't want to deal with anything less than 32-bit these days, but preferably just 64-bit (except on x86, which is just awful in any bitness)
19:13 matey; id love to deal with 8 bit for some things
19:13 matey; but making an os that is 50x as crippled for the sake of hardware i dont actually own seems...
19:13 matey; well, like a fun experiment, not a law of physics
19:13 psydroid2; like a learning experience?
19:14 matey; yes, a learning experience
19:14 matey; if treated as an experiment, that seems a lot more rooted in "not crazy" than declaring it to be
19:14 matey; well... the next templeos
19:16 matey; the thing about experiments is youre supposed to learn from them
19:17 matey; you make discoveries along the way, which hopefully increase your understanding
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19:18 matey; maybe sometimes they confirm your suspicions about something, if your hypothesis was that good
19:18 matey; but if every experiment proves you right about everything youre probably doing it wrong :)
19:19 matey; theres probably a flaw in that experiment, or the experimenter
19:20 MinceR; (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/UKk5rEf.mp4
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19:20 matey; it might still be a worthwhile endeavour, to be fair-- it would need to be tailored a bit to make it more accurate, more useful
19:20 matey; not the experimental equivalent of a circular argument.
19:21 matey; cherry picking facts and findings. creationist science.
19:21 psydroid2; it's going to be a sixacular endeavour
19:21 matey; its too sixy!
19:21 matey; BUT I MUST
19:21 matey; (chris kattan for those who dont get the reference)
19:23 activelow; "but making an os that is 50x as crippled for the sake of hardware i dont actually own" <- crippled how?
19:24 activelow; how would a fast and efficient terminal emulator cripple anything? besides terminal emulators in question are portable.
19:24 matey; i mean who needs legs, requiring 110% more brain power
19:24 matey; when you can walk on your hands?
19:25 matey; how would a fast and efficient terminal emulator cripple anything? <- for a scientist, you should know thats a loaded (one sided question) which you already know the answer to
19:25 matey; i mean thats a politicians question, not a scientists
19:25 activelow; furthmore, any gnu or linux never can be tailored to the perfection of templeos, to fit into 2MiB of memory with a flight simulator; this is impossible with any linux of the last 20 years
19:25 matey; at any rate, this experiment isnt useless
19:26 matey; some aspects of it are silly-- mostly some of the conclusions, which are stilted
19:26 matey; any gnu or linux never can be tailored to the perfection of templeos <- ...
19:26 matey; have fun with it. im still interested.
19:26 matey; some aspects of it are interesting
19:26 matey; o/
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19:28 MinceR; 29 202101 < matey> cherry picking facts and findings. creationist science.
19:28 MinceR; cdesign proponentsists
19:29 MinceR; lol @ the perfection of templeos
19:29 MinceR; to have the entire OS crash on programming errors in any application
19:29 TR News; Frontiers, fsGroups and frogs: the Kubernetes 1.23 release interview https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/04/29/frontiers-fsgroups-and-frogs-the-kubernetes-1.23-release-interview/
19:29 TR Bot; Frontiers, fsGroups and frogs: the Kubernetes 1.23 release interview | Kubernetes
19:29 bnchs; MinceR, yes it's perfect
19:29 MinceR; but people who hate memory protection should absolutely switch to templeos
19:30 bnchs; when the programs cause a segfault
19:30 bnchs; you have to reboot
19:30 bnchs; so fuck you
19:31 TR News; LF is openwashing evil companies like Uber now, using the "Linux" brand of misusing it https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/how-project-lura-is-improving-apis/
19:31 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/how-project-lura-is-improving-apis/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/how-project-lura-is-improving-apis/
19:31 TR Bot; How Project Lura is Improving APIs - Linux Foundation
19:32 TR News; They're just calling everything "open" now, even banksters https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/the-future-of-banking-is-open/
19:32 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/the-future-of-banking-is-open/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/the-future-of-banking-is-open/
19:32 TR Bot; The Future of Banking is Open - Linux Foundation
19:33 TR News; SUSECON is Back! (BYOB) https://www.suse.com/c/susecon-is-back-byob/
19:33 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/susecon-is-back-byob/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.suse.com/c/susecon-is-back-byob/
19:33 TR Bot; is Back! (BYOB) | SUSE Communities
19:34 TR News; SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 Public Release Candidate! https://www.suse.com/c/suse-linux-enterprise-15-service-pack-4-public-release-candidate/
19:34 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/suse-linux-enterprise-15-service-pack-4-public-release-candidate/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.suse.com/c/suse-linux-enterprise-15-service-pack-4-public-release-candidate/
19:34 TR Bot; Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 Public Release Candidate! | SUSE Communities
19:37 psydroid2; the SUSE CONS are back in town
19:37 TR News; "The world urgently needs a free program that can subtract background music from a field recording. The purpose is to prevent censorship of people's video recordings of how cops treat the public." http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10166
19:37 TR Bot; www.gnu.org - News: New free program needed [Savannah]
19:38 TR News; Top 5 Privacy Focused Linux Distributions in 2022 to Keep You Safe [Compared] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164289
19:38 TR Bot; Top 5 Privacy Focused Linux Distributions in 2022 to Keep You Safe [Compared] | Tux Machines
19:50 TR News; Microsoft is concern-trolling 'Linux' (systemd) to distract from itself https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/27/microsoft-linux-vulnerability/ https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/nimbuspwn-root-privilege-escalation-linux/ see http://techrights.org/2022/04/27/secfud-aggression-and-deflection/
19:50 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/27/microsoft-linux-vulnerability/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/27/microsoft-linux-vulnerability/
19:50 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: esecurityplanet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/nimbuspwn-root-privilege-escalation-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/nimbuspwn-root-privilege-escalation-linux/
19:50 TR Bot; Microsoft points out privilege-escalation flaws in Linux The Register
19:50 TR Bot; New Root Privilege Escalation Found in Linux | eSecurityPlanet
19:50 TR Bot; Microsoft Aggression and Deflection (Against Linux) | Techrights
19:50 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164290
19:50 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
19:54 TR News; ICBM is outdated and can be ignored https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/digital-transformation-outdated-tips-ignore
19:54 TR Bot; Digital transformation: 3 outdated tips to ignore | The Enterprisers Project
19:56 TR News; LOL, making up more buzzwords as job titles? "MLOps" https://www.redhat.com/en/resources/forrester-total-economic-impact-fsi-analyst-material
19:56 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: redhat.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.redhat.com/en/resources/forrester-total-economic-impact-fsi-analyst-material https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.redhat.com/en/resources/forrester-total-economic-impact-fsi-analyst-material
19:56 TR Bot; The Total Economic Impact Of Red Hat Hybrid Cloud Platform For MLOps
19:56 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/huge.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-huge#comic )
19:56 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/huge.png https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/huge.png
19:56 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
19:57 TR News; LOL. "IBM Research AI VP" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7KctrXkPiEA hey hi sir...
19:57 TR Bot; Technically Speaking (E13): Building a foundation for AI models - Invidious
20:01 TR News; "No, not Creepy Uncle Bill Gates, but rather Gates gas caps." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/04/28/my-buicks-computer-does-not-like-gates/ Source: baronhk
20:01 TR Bot; My Buicks computer does not like Gates. BaronHK's Rants
20:01 TR News; FreeBSD 13.1-RC5 Now Available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164291
20:01 TR Bot; FreeBSD 13.1-RC5 Now Available | Tux Machines
20:01 TR News; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164292
20:01 TR Bot; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat | Tux Machines
20:03 TR News; KDE Plasma Mobile 22.04 Mobile Platform Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164163#comment-33493
20:03 TR Bot; KDE Releases Plasma Mobile Gear 22.04 with Lots of Goodies for Linux Phone Users | Tux Machines
20:07 TR News; "On Techrights IRC, Roy laughed and said Bill Gates would be jealous of me because Im riding a 14 year old (car, that is!). (Bill Gates is a prolific sex pervert and was a friend of Jeff Epstein that throws his money around to control what is said about him.)" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/04/28/my-buicks-computer-does-not-like-gates/
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20:07 TR News; Lakka 4.2 release Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164293
20:07 TR Bot; Lakka 4.2 release | Tux Machines
20:08 TR News; PostgreSQL: pg_ivm 1.0 released! https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_ivm-10-released-2443/ Source: postgresql
20:08 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pg_ivm 1.0 released!
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20:10 TR News; "The LibreOffice Conference is the annual gathering of the community, our end-users, developers, and everyone interested in free office software. This year, it took place online once again" https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/04/29/annual-report-libreoffice-documentation-project-in-2021/
20:10 TR Bot; Annual Report: LibreOffice Documentation Project in 2021 - The Document Foundation Blog
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20:23 TR News; Links 29/04/2022: Lakka 4.2, Redox OS 0.7.0, and FreeBSD 13.1 RC5 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/29/redox-os-0-7-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/29/redox-os-0-7-0/
20:23 TR Bot; Links 29/04/2022: Lakka 4.2, Redox OS 0.7.0, and FreeBSD 13.1 RC5 | Techrights
20:23 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164294
20:23 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:23 TR News; Canonical/Ubuntu: Banking, Openwashing, and Buzzwords Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164295
20:23 TR Bot; Canonical/Ubuntu: Banking, Openwashing, and Buzzwords | Tux Machines
20:23 TR News; Free Software and Openwashing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164296
20:23 TR Bot; Free Software and Openwashing | Tux Machines
20:23 TR News; SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 Public Release Candidate and SUSECON Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164297
20:23 TR Bot; SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 Public Release Candidate and SUSECON | Tux Machines
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20:33 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/824366.jpg
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20:40 TR News; Applications: pg_ivm 1.0, Poppler, Chromium, Kubernetes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164298
20:40 TR Bot; Applications: pg_ivm 1.0, Poppler, Chromium, Kubernetes | Tux Machines
20:41 psydroid2; https://www.presseportal.de/pm/129569/5208456
20:41 TR Bot; Schwarz Gruppe ffnet deutsche Cloud STACKIT fr Unternehmen und ffentliche ... | Presseportal
20:42 bnchs; xfce terminal segfaulted
20:50 psydroid2; lol
20:50 psydroid2; everything segfaults
20:50 psydroid2; they're trying to break everything that once worked
20:51 psydroid2; freely breakable software
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20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 74.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 377.01
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21:18 TR News; GNOME 42.1 Is Out with Many Improvements to Software, Nautilus, and Control Center Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164299
21:18 TR Bot; GNOME 42.1 Is Out with Many Improvements to Software, Nautilus, and Control Center | Tux Machines
21:18 schestowitz; psydroid2: xfce is my most stable laptop, running xfce4
21:18 schestowitz; it can go on for years
21:19 schestowitz; if not for loss of battery power ^_^
21:23 TR News; Jono Bacon not even interested in "Open Source" anymore. Look what they are covering... https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/29/3x45/ Bacon selling tweets for Microsoft http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/
21:23 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: badvoltage.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/29/3x45/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/29/3x45/
21:23 TR Bot; 345: Natural Musk | Bad Voltage
21:23 TR Bot; Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | Techrights
21:25 TR News; "The Steam Deck has had a huge week. Not only did the Deck have a MASSIVE update on Monday evening, but it also had one of the most eagerly awaited features land in the beta channel." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oyvt_ENMUCs
21:25 TR Bot; Valve dropped ANOTHER HUGE UPDATE making 40 FPS better than 50. Plus other Steam Deck news. - Invidious
21:25 TR News; Gardiner turned from "Linux" to marketing :/
21:30 TR News; Linux Mint advances its plans for the next version - LinuxStoney http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163423#comment-33494
21:30 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Will Be Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, New Upgrade Tool in the Works | Tux Machines
21:31 schestowitz; of note: we're thinking of leaving the job to focus on our own things
21:31 schestowitz; not decided yet
21:32 schestowitz; challenging the employer on a number of key issues at the moment, waiting to see if the employer listens
21:34 TR News; Qt wants to be in cars https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.3.0-released
21:34 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.3.0-released https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.3.0-released
21:34 TR Bot; Qt for Android Automotive 6.3.0 released
21:34 TR News; Arduino-controlled CNC engraver uses solar power https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/28/arduino-controlled-cnc-engraver-uses-solar-power/
21:34 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/28/arduino-controlled-cnc-engraver-uses-solar-power/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/28/arduino-controlled-cnc-engraver-uses-solar-power/
21:34 TR Bot; Arduino-controlled CNC engraver uses solar power | Arduino Blog
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21:39 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/823666.jpg
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21:41 XRevan86; MinceR: But usually only once or twice.
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21:47 SomeH4x0r; wb
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22:02 TR News; Meh. You can just reuse an old machine to do the same and much better! https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/29/turing-smart-screen-a-low-cost-3-5-inch-usb-type-c-information-display/
22:02 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/29/turing-smart-screen-a-low-cost-3-5-inch-usb-type-c-information-display/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/29/turing-smart-screen-a-low-cost-3-5-inch-usb-type-c-information-display/
22:02 TR Bot; Turing Smart Screen - A low-cost 3.5-inch USB Type-C information display - CNX Software
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22:05 TR News; "The NAS comes with 2GB of RAM, 4GB of storage for QTS 5.0 Linux operating system, USB 3.0 and USB 2.0 ports, and the company promotes it as a personal private cloud & home multimedia center."
22:05 TR News; HPLIP 3.22.4 Released with Manjaro 21.2 & New Printers Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164300
22:05 TR Bot; HPLIP 3.22.4 Released with Manjaro 21.2 & New Printers Support | Tux Machines
22:05 TR News; Chonky Palmtop is a DIY portable Linux computer with a split keyboard and 7 inch display Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164301
22:05 TR Bot; Chonky Palmtop is a DIY portable Linux computer with a split keyboard and 7 inch display | Tux Machines
22:07 TR News; Steam now available as Snap package on Linux, with easier installation and sandboxing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164287#comment-33495
22:07 TR Bot; Steam is Now on the Snap Store And You Can Help Test It | Tux Machines
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22:12 TR News; Rust cultists destroying Linux simplicity and autonomy https://lwn.net/Articles/889924/
22:12 TR Bot; at the border [LWN.net]
22:14 TR News; KOReader: a free electronic-book reader for e-ink devices https://lwn.net/Articles/889171/ "v. 3 of the GNU Affero General Public License. It is, seemingly, a highly portable application, being available for Linux..."
22:14 TR Bot; a free electronic-book reader for e-ink devices [LWN.net]
22:14 immibis; wow netsurf is fast as fuck. but no javascript. probably why it's fast as fuck
22:15 immibis; i should start using netsurf exclusively for websites that don't require javascript
22:15 immibis; and so should you
22:16 TR News; Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS https://lwn.net/Articles/891273/ see http://techrights.org/2022/04/08/planned-obsolescence-ibm/
22:16 TR Bot; considers deprecating legacy BIOS [LWN.net]
22:16 TR Bot; IBM and Fedora: Stop Being Poor! Buy a New PC! | Techrights
22:17 activelow; immibis: netsurf has support for duktape javascript engine, and it is fast with it too
22:17 activelow; problem with netsurf: gtk dependency, and the netsurf-motif port is incomplete
22:17 TR News; Kernel: Rust, User Events, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164302
22:17 TR Bot; Kernel: Rust, User Events, and More | Tux Machines
22:18 TR News; Builder GTK 4 Porting, Continued Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164303
22:18 bnchs; immibis, true
22:18 TR Bot; Builder GTK 4 Porting, Continued | Tux Machines
22:18 bnchs; likely because there's no overhead caused by loading the javascript interpreter
22:18 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164304
22:18 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:18 bnchs; and loading the libraries and shit
22:23 immibis; huh, portage says I do have javascript enabled at compile time
22:23 immibis; oh it's in preferences. off by default
22:25 immibis; doesn't seem to work
22:27 activelow; doesn't work how?
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22:28 activelow; the capabilities of javascript are limited, no web assembly (wasm)... which is good
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22:49 psydruid; https://semiaccurate.com/2022/04/14/amds-ryzen-5800x3d-is-too-flawed-for-consumer-use/
22:49 TR Bot; Ryzen 5800X3D is too flawed for consumer use - SemiAccurate
22:50 matey; :)
22:50 matey; /me drops x86 in the toilet
22:50 matey; /me flushes
22:50 matey; ill still buy it used until im confident i have a replacement
22:50 matey; i dont want anyone to think im cooler than that yet
22:52 immibis; activelow: old reddit's reply box is like the simplest javascript ever, and it doesn't work
22:52 immibis; unless they secretly rewrote it in wasm
22:52 matey; doesnt work...
22:52 matey; /me has been teaching cgi, but the student has surpassed the teacher
22:53 matey; you think its cool to get a computer doing something
22:54 immibis; what's a cgi? sorry, we only do node.php++ here
22:54 matey; teachings someone to get a computer to do something is amazing
22:54 matey; cgi is a guy from california
22:54 matey; who thinks hes going to be famous cause hes in a rock and roll band
22:54 matey; sorry, thats a guy named marshall stack
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22:55 matey; php++
22:56 matey; is that as good as ironphp
22:56 bnchs; lol cgi?
22:56 bnchs; that's ancient tech for fuck sake
22:56 bnchs; use fastcgi
22:56 matey; well its funny you say that
22:56 matey; we started with nginx
22:56 matey; which of course... has no cgi to speak of
22:57 bnchs; imagine creating a process for every request
22:57 matey; and requires fastcgi fyou want to
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22:57 matey; i mean
22:57 matey; we arent doing this for web design
22:57 matey; fuck web design actually
22:57 matey; what we were doing is building a simple, anonymous email alternative
22:57 *psydruid knows nothing about web design
22:57 matey; for a very small number of users
22:58 bnchs; well fastcgi would be efficient
22:58 bnchs; for less memory usage and multithreading
22:58 matey; yes, it would be efficient about a technology that needs to die anyway
22:58 matey; multithreading, multiseat, multi-systemd!
22:58 bnchs; and no process spawning overhead (still used btw)
22:58 matey; this is someone who has never before seen server-side scripting
22:58 bnchs; besides i'm planning to use it anyway
22:58 matey; its an introduction
22:59 bnchs; oh
22:59 matey; and theyre running with it faster than i can teach
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 17.11 average k/sec., average swarm size 580.10
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22:59 matey; ive created a monster and im very proi
22:59 matey; proud
22:59 bnchs; it just sounds out of character for me to act rude
22:59 matey; no its cool
22:59 matey; i mean
22:59 matey; gemini > web
23:00 matey; and we did nginx first
23:00 bnchs; if only there were fastcgi for gemini
23:00 matey; give it time
23:00 matey; before they go muckig about with fastcgi
23:00 matey; i wanted them to experience cgi itself
23:01 matey; as a starting point, not a destination
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23:01 matey; theyre already running their own server, from uni, without dns or any shit like that
23:01 matey; through onion service
23:02 matey; and for fun theyre doing cgi on port 80
23:02 matey; which is somethign theyve never seen before
23:02 matey; but nginx is setup, was running, they can configure fastcgi later
23:02 matey; theyre playing with server-side scripting for the first time ever
23:03 matey; its cool
23:03 matey; tor is a beautiful alternative to dns
23:03 matey; (it should be forked)
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23:06 matey; they have no control over the router but their website can be accessed from (nearly) anywhere on earth
23:07 matey; obviously port forwarding can do the same
23:07 matey; then you have to fiddle with certs
23:08 matey; replacing dns with tor wasnt even my idea, it was the chief... lol
23:08 matey; the avalanche has already started
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23:13 TR News; "Thieves? People are still thinking about thieves? I am. In 2008 I argued that if you wanted to be a thief, steal something. No extra class required." gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-04-29_Thieves
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23:15 TR News; "I've been doing a fairly reactive job for 8 years, same task, but different systems, different managers, evolving teams." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/911
23:16 SomeH4x0r; matey: barto appeared, I think he will come here in a few minutes
23:16 TR News; "There are 2405 capsules. We successfully connected recently to 1895 of them." gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
23:18 TR News; "My biggest criticism of the Linux community and especially Linux distributions is that we don't do a good job at educating our users. In fact, many Linux distros don't focus at all on educating their users." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=s0Ah0l9dmow
23:18 TR Bot; Linux Distros Fail At Educating Their Users - Invidious
23:18 *psydruid would rather wait for steve barkto to appear
23:19 TR News; Gammath SPOT version 3.5 (beta) released on 27 April 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Gammath_SPOT
23:19 TR Bot; Gammath SPOT - Free Software Directory
23:19 TR News; Proprietary software does not respsect mute button https://wiscprivacy.com/publication/vca_mute/
23:19 TR Bot; Are You Really Muted?: A Privacy Analysis of Mute Buttons in Video Conferencing Apps | Privacy and Security Research Group at University of Wisconsin - Madison
23:20 TR News; 3-meter-long giant squid found stranded on Sea of Japan beach https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20220420/p2a/00m/0li/022000c
23:20 TR Bot; 3-meter-long giant squid found stranded on Sea of Japan beach - The Mainichi
23:21 *barto (~barto@2q7w2pvruanrn.irc) has joined #techrights
23:21 barto; greetings everyone
23:21 SomeH4x0r; hi
23:21 jobs651; hello SomeH4x0r
23:21 TR News; The solution is to stop using proprietary software. You will never know what it is really doing. https://thenextweb.com/news/muting-your-mic-doesnt-stop-big-tech-recording-your-audio
23:21 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: thenextweb.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenextweb.com/news/muting-your-mic-doesnt-stop-big-tech-recording-your-audio https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://thenextweb.com/news/muting-your-mic-doesnt-stop-big-tech-recording-your-audio
23:21 TR Bot; Muting your mic reportedly doesnt stop big tech from recording your audio
23:21 schestowitz-TR; hi barto
23:21 SomeH4x0r; matey did talk ~ 15 minutes ago
23:22 TR News; xkcd: Bad Map Projection: Madagascator https://xkcd.com/2613/ Source: xkcd
23:22 TR Bot; Bad Map Projection: Madagascator
23:22 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2613/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://xkcd.com/2613/
23:24 TR News; For the second day in a row linuxtoday helps Microsoft spread Linux FUD. It's about systemd. Not good, bad taste. https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/nimbuspwn-new-root-privilege-escalation-found-in-linux/
23:24 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxtoday.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/nimbuspwn-new-root-privilege-escalation-found-in-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/nimbuspwn-new-root-privilege-escalation-found-in-linux/
23:24 TR Bot; Nimbuspwn: New Root Privilege Escalation Found in Linux | Linux Today
23:25 TR News; Full Circle Magazine: Full Circle Magazine #180 15th Anniversary issue! https://fullcirclemagazine.org/2022/04/29/full-circle-magazine-180-15th-anniversary-issue/
23:25 -jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: fullcirclemagazine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fullcirclemagazine.org/2022/04/29/full-circle-magazine-180-15th-anniversary-issue/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://fullcirclemagazine.org/2022/04/29/full-circle-magazine-180-15th-anniversary-issue/
23:25 TR Bot; Full Circle Magazine #180 15th Anniversary issue! | Full Circle Magazine
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23:29 TR News; The title here contains a lie. Lying for MuskingTape https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wt0yXaEmuPo
23:29 TR Bot; Elon to open source Twitter, PopOS 22.04, and Ubuntu says no to Flatpak - Linux and open source news - Invidious
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23:33 TR News; Marketing and openwashing spam dressed up as "research"; just like at Microsoft... https://www.linux.com/news/lf-research-one-year-recap-and-imagining-the-future/
23:33 TR Bot; Research: One Year Recap and Imagining the Future - Linux.com
23:35 TR News; The Best Cross-Platform LaTeX Editors Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164305
23:35 TR Bot; The Best Cross-Platform LaTeX Editors | Tux Machines
23:36 TR News; Steinar H. Gunderson: Should we stop teaching the normal distribution? http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2022-04-29-19-59_should_we_stop_teaching_the_normal_distribution.html
23:36 TR Bot; Steinar H. Gunderson
23:37 TR News; Canonical going 'all in' on gaming for Ubuntu, new Steam Snap package in testing | GamingOnLinux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164287#comment-33498
23:37 TR Bot; Steam is Now on the Snap Store And You Can Help Test It | Tux Machines
23:37 SomeH4x0r; why would I want to help test it?
23:37 SomeH4x0r; Steam is evil. I would either warez or nothing.
23:38 TR News; 'Linux' Foundation racking up more bribes from Microsoft, which attacks Linux https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-open-3d-foundation-welcomes-microsoft-as-a-premier-member-to-advance-the-future-of-open-source-3d-development-301536018.html
23:38 TR Bot; The Open 3D Foundation Welcomes Microsoft as a Premier Member to Advance the Future of Open Source 3D Development
23:38 psydruid; Canonical going 'all in' on technical and commercial suicide
23:39 schestowitz-TR; they saw that not many gamers use Ubuntu
23:39 schestowitz-TR; and panicked a bit
23:39 psydruid; and I think we can help them get there sooner
23:39 SomeH4x0r; barto wants to make a switch to GNU/Linux and some people were suggesting Linux Mint. Is it evil?
23:39 schestowitz-TR; people spoke about how valve stats showed gnu/linux users were moving to other distros
23:39 schestowitz-TR; maybe this is their face-saving response
23:40 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: go for LMDE
23:40 schestowitz-TR; It's based on Deian
23:40 schestowitz-TR; I tried it a month ago, it's good
23:40 psydruid; I hope it blows up in their faces
23:40 schestowitz-TR; eventually I reckon LMDE will become default Mint
23:40 schestowitz-TR; maybe based on Devuan also
23:40 schestowitz-TR; the D in the acronym
23:40 schestowitz-TR; Mint is already upset about Ubuntu pushing snaps
23:41 schestowitz-TR; and goes out of its way to BLOCK snaps
23:41 psydruid; Ubuntu is too much of a hassle to keep running, so it's legacy for me
23:41 schestowitz-TR; look at #boycottnovell
23:41 schestowitz-TR; we reckon Ubuntu will be gone in a few years
23:41 psydruid; and over time all installs for relatives will disappear
23:41 bnchs; ubuntu release party
23:41 schestowitz-TR; MS (Mark Shuttleworth) is looking exit plans
23:41 bnchs; quick quick everyone ubuntu got another useless major version again
23:41 bnchs; dying distro
23:41 psydruid; Ubuntu release from existence party
23:41 schestowitz-TR; so it's not run out of his own pocket
23:41 schestowitz-TR; but shareholders
23:43 psydruid; I had technical grounds for dismissing it
23:43 psydruid; not only the snaps thing
23:43 psydruid; but it became buggier than debian itself
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23:43 psydruid; at which point I was like "why bother"
23:43 *bob379 (~bob379@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights
23:44 psydruid; gulag also switched to debian around that time
23:44 psydruid; so the writing was on the wall
23:44 bnchs; flatpak/snap
23:44 bnchs; systemd
23:45 *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights
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23:45 SomeH4x0r; hi
23:45 psydruid; debian is the final frontier for abandoning gnu/linux for me
23:46 bnchs; wtf is this guy
23:46 SomeH4x0r; there is no hope in computing future
23:46 bnchs; jobs651/bob378/arch38
23:46 arch38; https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/56
23:46 TR Bot; jobs651/bob378/ (#56) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
23:46 SomeH4x0r; fuck GitLab
23:46 psydruid; I don't want to bother with any other gnu/linux distro
23:46 bnchs; oh my god
23:46 psydruid; lol
23:46 SomeH4x0r; you are on th evil side
23:46 SomeH4x0r; there is no hope
23:47 psydruid; the evil bots are out to get us and record anything we write
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23:48 bnchs; titan1 a
23:48 titan1; bnchs, Please read http://about-altlink.go.crimeflare.eu.org
23:48 TR Bot; subfiles/service.altlink.md master Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
23:48 bnchs; sure i'll READ
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23:50 bnchs; ada5 a
23:50 ada5; bnchs, Please read http://about-altlink.go.crimeflare.eu.org
23:50 *barto has quit (Quit: Goodbye, World!)
23:50 bnchs; look if you're gonna keep shuffling names, at least change your IP
23:52 *goosestepping_ (~goosestepping@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights
23:53 matey; SomeH4x0r there is no hope in computing future <- even i wouldnt go that far
23:54 TR News; "Slower pace of validation? Looks like Valve is trying to prove us wrong as they have just added close to 100 games in a matter of days after the 2300 games milestone on the Steam Deck. There are now more than 2400 games (2406 at the time of writing) working on the Steam Deck in two categories as usual" https://boilingsteam.com/2400-games-on-the-steam-deck-just-days-after-the-2300-games-milestone/
23:54 matey; SomeH4x0r matey: barto appeared, I think he will come here in a few minutes <- his bad timing is world class
23:54 TR Bot; 2400 Games On The Steam Deck, Just Days after the 2300 Games Milestone - Boiling Steam
23:54 matey; i wasnt avoiding him, i was afk
23:54 TR News; Twitter buyout puts Mastodon into spotlight Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164306
23:54 matey; /me swears its a front
23:54 TR Bot; Twitter buyout puts Mastodon into spotlight | Tux Machines
23:55 matey; psydruid Canonical going 'all in' on technical and commercial suicide <- i wont miss them
23:55 *systemd (~b9dc653c@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights
23:55 matey; SomeH4x0r barto wants to make a switch to GNU/Linux and some people were suggesting Linux Mint. Is it evil? <- no its just shit. BUT...
23:55 systemd; hi
23:55 ada5; Hi systemd
23:55 SomeH4x0r; hi
23:55 *systemd is now known as systemx
23:55 systemx; hi
23:56 matey; even linux mint is better than windows. just not very much.
23:56 matey; schestowitz-TR SomeH4x0r: go for LMDE It's based on Deian I tried it a month ago, it's good
23:56 matey;
23:56 matey; yes, debian!
23:56 matey; its a big pile of shit
23:57 matey; debibm, youre going to love it. its the final solution to debian.
23:57 TR News; Linux Foundation Takes More Microsoft Money and Does Openwashing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164307
23:57 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Takes More Microsoft Money and Does Openwashing | Tux Machines
23:57 TR News; Videos: Distros, Valve, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164308
23:57 TR Bot; Videos: Distros, Valve, and More | Tux Machines
23:57 matey; an after you run the installer, and its added non-free shit
23:57 matey; unlike before ,you know
23:58 matey; then reboot, like windows, so you can mount vfat :)
23:58 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VpvyG2NrS1Y
23:58 TR Bot; Fat Joe - What's Luv? ft. Ashanti (Official Music Video) - Invidious
23:59 matey; it should be about us, it should be about trust, babe
23:59 TR News; Problems for the Linux kernel NTFS driver as author goes silent http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164224#comment-33499
23:59 TR Bot; The Future of the NTFS Linux Driver as Part of the Kernel Is in Question | Tux Machines
23:59 matey; i was helping out this guy
23:59 matey; computer shop owner
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