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00:01 matey; better than devuan, would be a distro:
00:02 matey; 1. that actually does what it set out to do originally
00:02 matey; 2. made by people that know what theyre doing
00:02 matey; one of those would be great. both would be even better. devuan imo is neither
00:03 MinceR; i suspect Damn Vulnerable Linux does fulfill at least the 1st
00:05 matey; not as well as have a bloated piece of shit kernel linux (habposkl) but it counts as truth in advertising
00:07 DaemonFC; <MinceR> at least the people maintaining devuan use devuan
00:07 DaemonFC; Was that in reference to the people developing Fedora-KDE using it under emulation in Windows? :P
00:07 DaemonFC; No wonder that spin has so many problems.
00:07 DaemonFC; You probably don't run into ACPI crap as much when it's a Windows Guest and not running on an actual computer.
00:08 matey; as for my assessment of linux
00:08 matey; the way i see it im either being fair now, or fair soon enough
00:08 MinceR; yes, and also to people pretending to be proponents of "Linux" while using crApple and MICROS~1 products in its place
00:09 matey; i mean zemlin was always a tool
00:09 matey; and i think in hindsight, so was linus
00:09 matey; linus at least could code
00:09 matey; but zemlin has blue hair
00:16 psydruid; https://www.infoq.com/presentations/Null-References-The-Billion-Dollar-Mistake-Tony-Hoare/
00:16 TR Bot; Null References: The Billion Dollar Mistake
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00:38 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/28-of-msn-news-readers-think-chinas-lease-on-hong-kong-expired-in-1997/
00:38 TR Bot; 28% of MSN News readers think Chinas lease on Hong Kong expired in 1997. BaronHK's Rants
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00:49 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/saturday-morning-cartoons-15-pics-1.png
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01:08 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vlwuun/accidentally_getting_it/
01:08 TR Bot; Accidentally getting it : LateStageCapitalism
01:08 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, ^
01:11 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vm26r8/if_you_donate_they_will_think_about_the_thought/
01:11 TR Bot; If you donate they will think about the thought of fixing it. : LateStageCapitalism
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01:55 DaemonFC; I may switch to Mullvad.
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02:36 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-270622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-270622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-270622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-270622.txt
02:36 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 27, 2022
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02:38 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 27, 2022
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02:39 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 27, 2022
02:42 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-06-27.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-06-27.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
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03:41 TR News; "There are large numbers of unacceptable "solution"s in the ecological space. Suppose the only solution to an eco-catastrophe were a mass die-off, with the remnant of humanity consisting of peasants and lords who hunt peasant for sport a la Game of Thrones." gemini://the-brannons.com/whysave/
03:42 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D626.jpg
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03:43 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D274.jpg
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03:46 TR News; My Body, My Data Act Tackles Online Privacy in Wake of Roe v. Wade Decision https://www.itprotoday.com/data-privacy/my-body-my-data-act-tackles-online-privacy-wake-roe-v-wade-decision
03:46 TR Bot; My Body, My Data Act Tackles Online Privacy in Post-Roe World | ITPro Today: IT News, How-Tos, Trends, Case Studies, Career Tips, More
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03:46 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:47 TR News; xkcd: Extended NFPA Hazard Diamond https://xkcd.com/2638/ Source: xkcd
03:47 TR Bot; Extended NFPA Hazard Diamond
03:48 TR News; 28% of MSN News readers think Chinas lease on Hong Kong expired in 1997. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/28-of-msn-news-readers-think-chinas-lease-on-hong-kong-expired-in-1997/
03:48 TR Bot; 28% of MSN News readers think Chinas lease on Hong Kong expired in 1997. BaronHK's Rants
03:49 TR News; EndeavourOS 22.6 Run Through - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=L9pOvCzqO-E Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
03:49 TR Bot; EndeavourOS 22.6 Run Through - Invidious
03:50 TR News; "he more software you install the more files that start to clutter your home directory but luckily there are ways to fix this, the xdg directories but finding out what apps support these paths can be a little bit annoying so xdg ninja simplifies the process" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Tp4fkmJ6qXk
03:50 TR Bot; Clean Up Your Home Directory Clutter With XDG Ninja - Invidious
03:51 TR News; "Today's video is a bit of a rant, and I know it's going to make me look like a total "boomer" but I have to say it. Modern music sucks! And the reason why it sucks is because computers and technology have completely destroyed the music industry..." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=c0xd0SA2OqQ
03:51 TR Bot; Modern Music SUCKS! (Technology Is To Blame) - Invidious
03:52 TR News; "Will buys a cheap mouse, Flim thinks hes a meteorologist, Graham hacks his TV, and Joe complains about YouTube." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-183/
03:52 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 183 Late Night Linux
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04:03 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows: Late Night Linux, DistroTube, Brodie Robertson, EndeavourOS 22.6 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166559
04:03 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows: Late Night Linux, DistroTube, Brodie Robertson, EndeavourOS 22.6 | Tux Machines
04:03 TR News; Pitivi Video Editor Adds Beat Detection, Object Tracking + More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166560
04:03 TR Bot; Pitivi Video Editor Adds Beat Detection, Object Tracking + More | Tux Machines
04:06 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, June 27, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
04:06 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
04:06 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:06 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
04:06 TR News; Git 2.37.0 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166561
04:06 TR Bot; Git 2.37.0 | Tux Machines
04:07 TR News; Russ Allbery: Tie::ShadowHash 2.00 https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2022-06/001.html
04:07 TR Bot; Eagle's Path: Tie::ShadowHash 2.00 (2022-06-27)
04:19 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166562
04:19 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
04:21 TR News; "The doctor at the Lake County Health Department told me to stop eating salt and that she wouldnt prescribe any medications." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/lake-county-il-health-department-doctors-should-probably-be-avoided-in-my-experience/
04:21 TR Bot; Lake County, IL Health Department doctors should probably be avoided, in my experience. BaronHK's Rants
04:25 TR News; Yes, if one installs malware, bad things will happen https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/06/27/python-packages-malicious-code-aws-credentials-video/
04:25 TR Bot; Python packages with malicious code expose secret AWS credentials - Help Net Security
04:25 TR News; Qubes OS 4.1.1-rc1 has been released! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166563
04:25 TR Bot; Qubes OS 4.1.1-rc1 has been released! | Tux Machines
04:27 TR News; NordVPN becoming more annoying and scammy. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/nordvpn-becoming-more-annoying-and-scammy/ Source: baronhk
04:27 TR Bot; NordVPN becoming more annoying and scammy. BaronHK's Rants
04:28 TR News; "Odyssey team is pleased to announce the release of Odyssey 1.3, a scalable multi-threaded connection pooler for PostgreSQL\GreenplumDB designed for the cloud." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/odyssey-13-released-2476/
04:28 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: Odyssey 1.3 released
04:28 TR News; "IVM Development Group is pleased to announce the release of pg_ivm 1.1." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_ivm-11-released-2478/
04:28 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pg_ivm 1.1 released
04:29 TR News; PostgreSQL: Timescale's 2022 State of PostgreSQL Survey Is Now Open! https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/timescales-2022-state-of-postgresql-survey-is-now-open-2471/ Source: postgresql
↺ https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/timescales-2022-state-of-postgresql-survey-is-now-open-2471/
04:29 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: Timescale's 2022 State of PostgreSQL Survey Is Now Open!
04:31 TR News; "According to Istios support policy, minor releases like 1.12 are supported until six weeks after the N+2 minor release (1.14 in this case). Istio 1.14 was released on June 1st, and support for 1.12 will end on July 12th, 2022." https://istio.io/latest/news/support/announcing-1.12-eol/
04:31 TR Bot; Istio / Support for Istio 1.12 ends on July 12th, 2022
04:31 TR News; [PATCH 00/12] Adding Gaudi2 ASIC support to habanalabs driver - Oded Gabbay https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220627202620.961350-1-ogabbay@kernel.org/ Source: kernel
04:31 TR Bot; [PATCH 00/12] Adding Gaudi2 ASIC support to habanalabs driver - Oded Gabbay
04:32 TR News; PostgreSQL: Odyssey 1.3, pg_ivm 1.1, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166564
04:32 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: Odyssey 1.3, pg_ivm 1.1, and More | Tux Machines
04:33 TR News; "Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 741 for the week of June 19 25, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/06/27/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-741/
04:33 TR Bot; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 741
04:33 TR News; The software operator design pattern: disadvantages - part 5 | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-software-operator-design-pattern-part-5 Source: ubuntu
04:33 TR Bot; software operator design pattern: disadvantages part 5 | Ubuntu
04:38 TR News; COVID-19 Patients in English Hospitals, June 2022 (More Than Doubled in Under 4 Weeks) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/28/english-hospitals-june-2022/
04:38 TR Bot; Blog Archive COVID-19 Patients in English Hospitals, June 2022 (More Than Doubled in Under 4 Weeks)
04:43 TR News; Photo Manager DigiKam Gets a Big Update http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166544#comment-34158
04:43 TR Bot; digiKam 7.7.0 is released | Tux Machines
04:45 TR News; terminology
04:47 TR News; Words to go: Learn basic Linux terminology Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166565
04:47 TR Bot; Words to go: Learn basic Linux terminology | Tux Machines
04:47 TR News; #HowTo Run Windows Software on Linux With Bottles Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166566
04:47 TR Bot; How to Run Windows Software on Linux With Bottles | Tux Machines
04:55 TR News; Programming leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166567
04:55 TR Bot; Programming leftovers | Tux Machines
04:55 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166568
04:55 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
04:55 TR News; Links 28/06/2022: Git 2.37.0 and GCC Rust Front-end | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/git-2-37-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/git-2-37-0/
04:56 TR Bot; Links 28/06/2022: Git 2.37.0 and GCC Rust Front-end | Techrights
04:58 DaemonFC; The landlord just listed my apartment number as "available immediately" on apartments.com
04:58 DaemonFC; This had got to be a mistake. Our lease isn't even up until November.
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04:59 Schestowitz-3; oh
04:59 DaemonFC; Maybe he just put down the wrong number?
04:59 Schestowitz-3; maybe not
04:59 Schestowitz-3; call
04:59 Schestowitz-3; brb
05:00 DaemonFC; Now I'm nervous.
05:00 DaemonFC; Why would he do that? I've never been late on the rent. The cops have never been out here.
05:03 Schestowitz-3; call
05:07 TR News; Making the update more bullet-proof https://bkhome.org/news/202206/making-the-update-more-bullet-proof.html
05:07 TR Bot; Making the update more bullet-proof
05:08 Schestowitz-3; could be an ambush
05:08 Schestowitz-3; not wanting you to get angry and break the place
05:08 Schestowitz-3; and then locks you out
05:08 Schestowitz-3; to change tenant
05:08 Schestowitz-3; with it comes to such listing, you don't do it in a rush
05:08 Schestowitz-3; it involves payyment
05:09 TR News; How to Challenge Big Tech with Privacy-First Alternatives https://puri.sm/posts/how-to-challenge-big-tech-with-privacy-first-alternatives/ Source: puri
05:09 TR Bot; How to Challenge Big Tech with Privacy-First Alternatives Purism
05:10 TR News; SUSE and outsourcing to Bezos (instead of controlling your infra) https://www.suse.com/c/suse-rancher-can-manage-aws-ec2-spot-instance-based-managed-node-groups-with-ec2-auto-scaling/
05:10 TR Bot; Rancher can manage AWS EC2 Spot Instance based Managed Node Groups with EC2 Auto Scaling | SUSE Communities
05:14 TR News; "In this episode we discuss feedback on Pop!_OS, installing Linux to replace Windows, and a tutorial on the top command." https://goinglinux.com/shownotes.html#glp426
05:14 TR Bot; Going Linux Shownotes
05:19 DaemonFC; <Schestowitz-3> and then locks you out
05:19 DaemonFC; Our lease isn't up until November 1st.
05:20 Schestowitz-3; paid in advance?
05:20 DaemonFC; No, of course not.
05:20 DaemonFC; But it's illegal to throw a tenant out who is in the middle of a lease and is not behind on the rent.
05:21 DaemonFC; So how in the hell would it be "available now"?
05:21 DaemonFC; It says "updated 3 days ago" and it's listed on multiple sites, but it's not pictures of our unit.
05:22 DaemonFC; For starters, it's the wrong air conditioner and then it's also a different oven.
05:22 Schestowitz-3; either mitake or easrly termination
05:22 Schestowitz-3; the lease has some other conditions
05:22 Schestowitz-3; like if you do something
05:22 Schestowitz-3; 11 years ago my next door neighbour was kicked out
05:22 DaemonFC; He'd have to evict us.
05:22 Schestowitz-3; after he had assaulted someone
05:22 DaemonFC; We haven't been notified of anything.
05:22 Schestowitz-3; and the police got involved
05:23 Schestowitz-3; if you were notified you might wreck the place and seek revenge
05:23 Schestowitz-3; or it could all be a mistake
05:23 Schestowitz-3; it must be 11:20 therer
05:23 Schestowitz-3; maybe too late to phone already
05:24 TR News; "digiKam is a photo manager app that lets you organize the images you have. With the latest upgrade, it supports JPEG-XL format, and AVID/AOM." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166544#comment-34160
05:24 TR Bot; digiKam 7.7.0 is released | Tux Machines
05:24 DaemonFC; Yeah. If he's not pissed off at me, I don't want to call or text in the middle of the night.
05:25 DaemonFC; I just don't know why you'd throw out tenants that are paying you and haven't done anything wrong.
05:25 DaemonFC; Especialy with the kinds of people he rents to in here.
05:25 Schestowitz-3; the lase is two-edged
05:25 Schestowitz-3; so he cannot evict before November unless he can prove you broke your side of the agreeement
05:26 DaemonFC; Yeah, but he listed it 3 days ago and said "Available Now".
05:26 Schestowitz-3; to ruins your sleep
05:26 Schestowitz-3; *ruin
05:26 DaemonFC; It probably will.
05:26 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166569
05:26 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
05:27 Schestowitz-3; save the web page
05:27 Schestowitz-3; in ase it goes to court
05:27 Schestowitz-3; and he pretends it was a mistake
05:27 DaemonFC; Do you know how hard it was to find this place, Roy? We'll have to throw everything we own in the dumpster and move into that hotel in Gurnee by the week.
05:27 Schestowitz-3; put the page in archive.is too
05:28 TR News; COVID-19 in England. You have to be foolish to not wear a mask, keep a distance, and attend mass gatherings https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/28/english-hospitals-june-2022/
05:28 TR Bot; Blog Archive COVID-19 Patients in English Hospitals, June 2022 (More Than Doubled in Under 4 Weeks)
05:28 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: no, phone and challenge it
05:28 Schestowitz-3; he might even pretend it was a mistake
05:29 Schestowitz-3; don't be confrontational
05:30 Schestowitz-3; you dont't want a landlord who hates you or whom you took to court and won against
05:30 Schestowitz-3; I'm heading off in a bit
05:30 Schestowitz-3; it's 5:30am here
05:30 Schestowitz-3; rss feeall cleaned up
05:32 DaemonFC; Yeah, I'm just going to text him tomorrow morning.
05:32 Schestowitz-3; no
05:32 Schestowitz-3; not text
05:32 Schestowitz-3; phone
05:32 DaemonFC; I have no idea why this wouldn't be a mistake.
05:34 DaemonFC; He always replies to my texts.
05:34 DaemonFC; He didn't seem to be angry last month when I texted him to say I had an outstanding check and I was just making sure he got it.
05:35 DaemonFC; Why would I get angry and tear the place up?
05:35 DaemonFC; That's a crime and I'd be arrested. That would be so much worse than having to move us and the cats into a hotel over by the mall for a while.
05:36 DaemonFC; I need one more problem with the courts like I need a hole in the head.
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05:37 DaemonFC; If nothing else, we could probably fall back to Indiana and rent my grandmother's house off my cousin for a while.
05:48 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/1108107718/instagram-and-facebook-begin-removing-posts-offering-abortion-pills
05:48 TR Bot; Instagram and Facebook remove posts offering abortion pills : NPR
05:51 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/28/facebook-censors-posts-about-how-to-get-abortion-pills-allows-posts-about-illegally-transferring-guns-and-marijuana/
05:51 TR Bot; Facebook censors posts about how to get abortion pills. Allows posts about illegally transferring guns and marijuana. BaronHK's Rants
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06:42 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: so likely amistake then
06:42 Schestowitz-3; based on what you've just told me
06:42 Schestowitz-3; many tenants are unable to pay rent these days
06:42 Schestowitz-3; if you always pay on time, he is lucky
06:43 DaemonFC; Yeah, he's listing available units here at $925. Tat's $50 more than we pay.
06:43 DaemonFC; Last year, he upped the listing price $50, but only increased ours $25.
06:43 TR News; THE MAN WHO COULD WORK MIRACLES added to library. gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/library/Wells/Miracles.gmi
06:43 DaemonFC; We've never been late. I always have the check for next month in the mail by the 9th of the previous month.
06:44 TR News; Coverage testing with CMake and GCov gemini://gemini.clehaxze.tw/gemlog/2022/06-28-coverage-testing-with-cmake-and-gcov.gmi
06:44 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Hopefully I can just call him tomorrow and explain that I was looking at apartment websites because my mother has recently retired and has me scouting out the area, noticed he listed our apartment by unit number, and was just calling to see what that was all about.
06:45 Schestowitz-3; yeah
06:45 DaemonFC; There's no reason to make it nasty.
06:46 Schestowitz-3; start the call with something positive
06:46 Schestowitz-3; like, we had this thing fixed
06:46 Schestowitz-3; or x has just had a birthday
06:47 Schestowitz-3; mom had a birthday, she is looking for a place to semi-retire in
06:47 Schestowitz-3; "do you know someone in area y who has a unit?"
06:48 Schestowitz-3; "oh, by the way, I was looking to help mom"
06:48 Schestowitz-3; "and then I saw this obvious mistake..."
06:48 DaemonFC; Yeah, she was asking me to look and see if he had any two bedrooms open and when I looked around, I saw that our unit was listed.
06:48 Schestowitz-3; "I think you put the wrong number in"
06:48 DaemonFC; I think you accidentally put our number in on the listing.
06:49 Schestowitz-3; when i was 19 I walked (long journey by foot) to pay my landlady
06:50 Schestowitz-3; not sure it that was cheque or cash, probably cash
06:50 Schestowitz-3; a one-time thing
06:51 Schestowitz-3; they kept their old slum to rent out to people like us, students. I think it was their former home.
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07:04 Schestowitz-3; https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/fernandinho-documentary-trailer-63791935
07:04 TR Bot; Coming soon Fernandinho: The last game
07:19 TR News; Twenty Years of Flying Meat https://shapeof.com/archives/2022/6/twenty_years_of_flying_meat.html schestowitz.com also turns 20 this years
07:19 TR Bot; Twenty Years of Flying Meat
07:20 TR News; Custom colour palettes for {ggplot2} | R-bloggers https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/06/custom-colour-palettes-for-ggplot2/ Source: r-ers
07:20 TR Bot; colour palettes for {ggplot2} | R-bloggers
07:21 TR News; 0025: preimp, focus + mach, emergent ventures, clockwork labs, success, hytradboi ideas, zig debugging tips, dev-setup.sh, clojurescript blues, analogies for end-user programming, half-arsed workflows, javascript vs serialization, links https://www.scattered-thoughts.net/log/0025/ Source: scattered-thoughts
07:21 TR Bot; 0025: preimp, focus + mach, emergent ventures, clockwork labs, success, hytradboi ideas, zig debugging tips, dev-setup.sh, clojurescript blues, analogies for end-user programming, half-arsed workflows, javascript vs serialization, links
07:24 TR News; "partially visually hidden link names may work great for people who use screen readers, but this approach can be problematic for people who rely on voice control software." https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2022/06/voice-control-usability-considerations-partially-visually-hidden-link-names/
07:24 TR Bot; Voice Control Usability Considerations For Partially Visually Hidden Link Names Smashing Magazine
07:24 TR News; "Carl Pei's buzzy phone firm, which he says will be a top alternative to Apple's iPhone, will skip North America for its phone release on July 12, the company confirmed to PCMag." https://www.pcmag.com/news/nothing-confirms-phone-1-will-not-be-coming-to-us
07:24 TR Bot; Confirms Phone (1) Will Not Be Coming to US | PCMag
07:25 TR News; "The risk of doing nothing is great. The law cannot be indifferent to the impact of its restraint." https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/trump-won-election-us-president-capitol-riot-hearings-2765446
07:25 TR Bot; Commentary: The time to decide whether to put Donald Trump on trial is drawing near - CNA
07:27 TR News; Alan Joyces $5000 "gift" really a $5,000 grift. Whats the scam Qantas? - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/alan-joyces-5000-gift-really-a-5000-grift-whats-the-scam-qantas/ Source: michaelwest
07:27 TR Bot; Alan Joyce's $5000 "gift" really a $5,000 grift. What's the scam Qantas? - Michael West
07:47 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D275.jpg
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08:22 TR News; http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/irc-log-270622/
08:22 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Monday, June 27, 2022 | Techrights
08:27 TR News; Are COVID-19-Linked Arrhythmias Caused by Viral Damage to the Hearts Pacemaker Cells? | Newsroom | Weill Cornell Medicine https://news.weill.cornell.edu/news/2022/04/are-covid-19-linked-arrhythmias-caused-by-viral-damage-to-the-hearts-pacemaker-cells Source: news
08:27 TR Bot; Are COVID-19-Linked Arrhythmias Caused by Viral Damage to the Hearts Pacemaker Cells? | Newsroom | Weill Cornell Medicine
08:43 TR News; "they become more about fundraising and less about doing anything (except just enough to justify taking money)" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-270622.html#tJun%2027%2019:56:47
08:43 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 27, 2022
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09:12 TR News; Compulab https://linuxgizmos.com/compulabs-new-iot-gateway-is-based-on-nxps-i-mx-8m-processor-and-runs-on-linux-ms-azure-iot-and-node-red/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
09:12 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/compulabs-new-iot-gateway-is-based-on-nxps-i-mx-8m-processor-and-runs-on-linux-ms-azure-iot-and-node-red/ )
09:13 TR News; "The STEPFPGA MXO2Core is a compact platform based on the Lattice MX02-4000 FPGA." https://linuxgizmos.com/stepfpga-supports-verilog-on-cloud-based-ide-and-lattices-diamond-ide/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
09:13 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/stepfpga-supports-verilog-on-cloud-based-ide-and-lattices-diamond-ide/ )
09:13 TR News; "Ubuntu 22.04 LTS introduces optimised kernel versions for different platforms" https://ubuntu.com//blog/whats-new-in-security-for-ubuntu-22-04-lts | Source: Ubuntu
09:13 TR Bot; new in Security for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS? | Ubuntu
09:15 TR News; "we will cover how to set static ip address on Ubuntu 22.04" https://www.linuxbuzz.com/set-static-ip-address-on-ubuntu/ | Source: Linux Buzz
09:15 TR Bot; How to Set Static IP Address on Ubuntu 22.04
09:15 TR News; "Vanilla Forums is a modern, lightweight, and open-source multi-lingual forum software written in PHP." https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-vanilla-forums-with-openlitespeed-on-ubuntu-20-04/ | Source: RoseHosting
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09:15 TR Bot; to Install Vanilla Forums with OpenLiteSpeed on Ubuntu 20.04 - RoseHosting
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09:18 TR News; Purism sounds like Microsoft LOBBYISTS NOW!! "Big Tech companies like Apple, Google, and Facebook" https://puri.sm/posts/how-to-challenge-big-tech-with-privacy-first-alternatives/
09:18 TR Bot; How to Challenge Big Tech with Privacy-First Alternatives Purism
09:19 TR News; "In this guide, we will see what is Docker, how to install Docker Engine in Ubuntu Linux." https://ostechnix.com/install-docker-ubuntu/ | Source: OSTechNix
09:19 TR Bot; Docker And Docker Compose In Ubuntu - OSTechNix
09:23 TR News; "Ghost is a very popular open-source content management system. Started as an alternative to WordPress" https://linuxhandbook.com/self-host-ghost-traefik/ | Source: Linux Handbook
09:23 TR Bot; Self-host a Ghost Blog With Traefik
09:23 TR News; "In this post, we will demonstrate how to install HAProxy on Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish) step by step." https://www.linuxtechi.com/install-configure-haproxy-on-ubuntu/ | Source: LinuxTechi
09:23 TR Bot; How to Install and Configure HAProxy on Ubuntu 22.04
09:25 TR News; "An operating system that is highly focused on security is the best friend to any hacker." https://linuxtechlab.com/top-12-linux-hacking-and-pen-testing-in-2022/ | Source: LinuxTechLab
09:25 TR Bot; 12 LINUX HACKING and PEN TESTING IN 2022 - LinuxTechLab
09:25 TR News; "Though lockdown was temporary, the trends that arose because of COVID-19 seem permanent." https://linuxtechlab.com/zero-trust-security-is-here-to-stay-for-decades/ | Source: LinuxTechLab
09:25 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxtechlab.com/zero-trust-security-is-here-to-stay-for-decades/ )
09:26 TR News; PHP Hardening https://www.tecmint.com/linux-php-hardening-security-tips/ | Source: TecMint
09:26 TR Bot; Top PHP Hardening Security Tips for Linux Servers
09:26 TR News; "However, Netxcloud is not only good for photos and multimedia files" https://www.tecmint.com/work-with-documents-in-nextcloud/ | Source: TecMint
09:26 TR Bot; A Detailed Guide on How to Work with Documents in Nextcloud
09:27 TR News; "Reassembly is a highly rated game that mixes spaceship building, exploration and intense combat." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/spaceship-building-game-reassembly-goes-64bit-gets-linux-and-steam-deck-upgrades/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:27 TR Bot; building game Reassembly goes 64bit, gets Linux and Steam Deck upgrades | GamingOnLinux
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09:29 TR News; Native GNU/Linux support https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/tactical-2d-rpg-arcadian-atlas-has-a-new-trailer-releasing-in-2023/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:29 TR Bot; 2D RPG 'Arcadian Atlas' has a new trailer, releasing in 2023 | GamingOnLinux
09:29 TR News; "It's going to release with Native GNU/Linux support on July 21st" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/low-poly-3d-rail-shooter-ex-zodiac-hits-early-access-on-july-21st/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:29 TR Bot; 3D rail shooter Ex-Zodiac hits Early Access on July 21st | GamingOnLinux
09:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-28.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:36 TR News; "Recently, one modder decided to stick a bigger 2242 M.2 SSD into their Steam Deck" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/valve-designer-warns-people-not-to-put-2242-m2-drives-in-their-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:36 TR Bot; designer warns people not to put 2242 M.2 drives in their Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
09:37 TR News; "As we say goodbye to Q2 and hello to Q3, Valve has confirmed that production of Steam Deck units has increased to the point where they're going to be sending out a lot more." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/valve-to-ship-more-than-double-the-number-of-steam-decks-each-week/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:37 TR Bot; to ship 'more than double' the number of Steam Decks each week | GamingOnLinux
09:38 TR News; "A little castle building and AI conquering on the go? Kingdoms and Castles already worked great on GNU/Linux" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/kingdoms-and-castles-gets-steam-deck-and-gamepad-support-vr-version-coming/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:38 TR Bot; and Castles gets Steam Deck and gamepad support, VR version coming | GamingOnLinux
09:42 TR News; Linux su vs sudo: whats the difference? | https://opensource.com/article/22/6/linux-su-vs-sudo-sysadmin Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
09:42 TR Bot; su vs sudo: what's the difference? | Opensource.com
09:47 TR News; "CorsixTH is the absolute best way to play the classic Theme Hospital on any modern system and version 0.66" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/corsixth-the-modern-game-engine-for-theme-hospital-v066-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:47 TR Bot; the modern game engine for Theme Hospital v0.66 is out now | GamingOnLinux
09:47 TR News; "Fancy catching some creatures? How about directly in your terminal window?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/pokete-is-a-pokemon-like-game-for-your-terminal/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:47 TR Bot; is a Pokemon-like game for your terminal | GamingOnLinux
09:49 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166570
09:49 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
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10:24 mole; something is stinking again... surprisingly, with libtls
10:25 mole; my irc client can pin down certificates to be trusted and when connecting matches a server cert against the pinned one
10:25 mole; this is very simple, and reliable, "trust on first use" similar to gemini protocol
10:26 mole; however, with the recent update of libressl/libtls the certificate matching fails with _all_ irc services i connect to
10:27 mole; scratching my head, what could fail with matching a certificate fingerprint against a pinned certificate, and how is it possible an almost trivial libtls update breaks this?
10:27 mole; and why?
10:28 mole; in parallel, to various other issues reported yesterday (net-dns/bind, ircd-hybrid v7), seems some dark forces unveil their intellectual power "improving", again, SSL/TLS
10:28 matey; jewish developers probably
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10:28 mole; how so?
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10:32 mole; matey: idiots
10:33 mole; i mean, with anything i considered security critical with a particual attack vector against governmental institutions SSL/TLS shouldn't be relied upon anyway
10:34 mole; i'll try something else... bearssl-libtls
10:35 mole; i mean, attacking certificate-pinning, as if this went unnoticed by any average IRC user
10:37 TR News; Games: Valve, Kingdoms and Castles, and a Lot More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166571
10:37 TR Bot; Games: Valve, Kingdoms and Castles, and a Lot More | Tux Machines
10:42 Schestowitz-3; SSL/TLS can be OK
10:42 Schestowitz-3; CAs are a problem
10:43 Schestowitz-3; esp. when they become a cartel
10:43 Schestowitz-3; or a pyramid of trust chains
10:43 Schestowitz-3; where the top of the pyramid is something like 'Linux' (Microsoft et al) Foundation
10:43 Schestowitz-3; their expired certs have already ruined a lot of devices
10:43 Schestowitz-3; which can no longer access the web
10:43 Schestowitz-3; or parts of the internet
10:44 Schestowitz-3; because of fake, outdated "trust"
10:44 Schestowitz-3; so the CAs monopoly is an attack on the environment, ttoo
10:44 Schestowitz-3; so much for the Greenwashing by Zemlin
10:44 Schestowitz-3; Zemlin greenwasher in chief https://yewtu.be/watch?v=L6nUewXj0B4
10:44 TR Bot; Jim Zemlin discusses Call for Code and AgStack - Invidious
10:44 Schestowitz-3; marketing for ICBM
10:44 matey; the CAs monopoly is an attack on the environment, ttoo <- it does seem to contribute to e-waste
10:45 Schestowitz-3; "thor away your old TV"
10:45 matey; /me has helped a number of people salvage pcs and laptops with this issue
10:45 matey; tablets are harder
10:45 Schestowitz-3; get a TV with a up-to-date list of CAs
10:45 matey; fdroid CAN help with this
10:45 matey; but most people are just going to throw out their devices
10:45 Schestowitz-3; "it's broken"
10:45 Schestowitz-3; "why?"
10:45 matey; get a TV with a up-to-date list of CAs <- smart tvs SHOULD be e-waste
10:45 matey; better yet never buy one
10:46 Schestowitz-3; "because according to LF this CA is now "expired""
10:46 matey; "it's broken" <- it sank
10:46 Schestowitz-3; akin to DRM
10:46 Schestowitz-3; with activation servers
10:46 matey; lf = linux fraud?
10:46 Schestowitz-3; yes!
10:47 Schestowitz-3; http://techrights.org/2022/06/26/lf-disinformation-ploy/
10:47 TR Bot; This Past Week the Linux Foundation Ran a Massive Misinformation Campaign in Texas and It Paid Media/Publishers to Repeat Lies/Spin | Techrights
10:47 matey; ah, the old lf disinformation ploy
10:47 matey; if theres anything i do love, its a good lf disinformation ploy
10:48 matey; "you idiot! that was a billion dollar enterprise kernel project!"
10:48 matey; "not anymore"
10:49 Schestowitz-3; they cash in
10:49 Schestowitz-3; by selling it out
10:50 Schestowitz-3; who is they?
10:50 Schestowitz-3; not developers
10:50 Schestowitz-3; not techs
10:50 matey; microsoft
10:50 Schestowitz-3; not honest peol
10:50 matey; osi
10:50 Schestowitz-3; eyes, microsoft too
10:50 Schestowitz-3; yes
10:50 Schestowitz-3; they are monetisingf AWAY the goodwill
10:50 Schestowitz-3; iow, the branding work done by millions of volunteers
10:50 Schestowitz-3; they sell that away to our enemies
10:50 Schestowitz-3; Microsoft is GREEN, says "Linux"
10:51 Schestowitz-3; you can find headlines like these
10:51 matey; the halloween documents said they must attack a process, not a product
10:51 Schestowitz-3; conflating LF with "Linux"
10:51 matey; they finally managed to attack both
10:51 Schestowitz-3; zemlin the luckiest man alive
10:51 Schestowitz-3; they needed a dunce
10:51 Schestowitz-3; someone they can fire at any time
10:51 Schestowitz-3; because he lacks credibility and skills
10:52 Schestowitz-3; so he will do anything they tell him
10:52 Schestowitz-3; to avoid angering them
10:52 matey; esr + fancy suit + macbook = zemlin
10:52 Schestowitz-3; esr can code
10:52 Schestowitz-3; zemlin cannot
10:52 matey; yeah, esr at least had technical skills
10:53 matey; granted from a tech standpoint, esr was a bit like
10:54 matey; "i just made this fuel injector out of plans i found online-- dont listen to these amatuers who designed the entire car, theyre crazy"
10:54 matey; and thats his technical contributions in a nutshell
10:55 matey; there are a lot of people like that in open source
10:55 Schestowitz-3; I don't know much about his early code
10:55 Schestowitz-3; just some projects he hacked on
10:55 matey; i think he worked on ncurses
10:55 Schestowitz-3; I could look up a bio or somethiong
10:55 Schestowitz-3; but anyway, he's scientifically articulate
10:55 Schestowitz-3; not just on issues rerlated to coding, licensing etc.
10:55 Schestowitz-3; but also science in general
10:55 matey; he's scientifically articulate <- shit, i wouldnt even go that far
10:56 matey; whats an example of him knowing shit about science?
10:56 Schestowitz-3; his political views are awful and cruel
10:56 Schestowitz-3; but put that aside...
10:56 matey; but put that aside... <- and hes still a fucking troll
10:56 matey; who helped destroy free software
10:56 matey; to feed his ego
10:56 Schestowitz-3; occasionally he wrote OK things abotu science
10:56 matey; occasionally he wrote OK things abotu scienc <- news to me
10:57 Schestowitz-3; it's when he crosses over to politics that I skip
10:57 matey; not familiar with esr the "scientist"
10:57 Schestowitz-3; hang on..
10:57 matey; sure
10:57 Schestowitz-3; not every bigot is stupide
10:57 Schestowitz-3; esr is not stupid
10:57 matey; esr is not stupid <- fsvo stupid
10:58 matey; ive been saying for a while now, that everyone is stupid about SOMETHING
10:58 Schestowitz-3; http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7954
10:58 TR Bot; The UPSide state diagram Armed and Dangerous
10:58 matey; rms and hardware is a fine example
10:58 matey; hes a fucking idiot about hardware. fucking. idiot.
10:58 Schestowitz-3; http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7941
10:58 TR Bot; How many Einsteins per Africa? Armed and Dangerous
10:58 Schestowitz-3; just random
10:58 matey; he invented free software and hes a genius about physics
10:58 Schestowitz-3; not saying they're good examples
10:58 Schestowitz-3; do tell the mole Einstein is used as yardstick of wisdom
10:59 matey; i dont know if esr actually knows shit about science
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10:59 Schestowitz-3; his head might explode
10:59 matey; i mean by fuzi standards he might be a genius
10:59 Schestowitz-3; I forgot the german scientist who got close to nuclear bomb but was beaten to it by the germany escappes
10:59 Schestowitz-3; like godel and einstein
10:59 mole; Schestowitz-3: the implementation of SSL/TLS are attacked too, not only the CAs
10:59 Schestowitz-3; *escapees
11:00 chunky; it's a travesty
11:00 Schestowitz-3; heinsenberg?
11:00 chunky; oops i was scrolled up
11:00 Schestowitz-3; made a theory named after him
11:00 mole; i noticed more than once, simple certificate pinning is problematic with various ssl/tls implementations and programs relying on it
11:00 mole; at least gemini protocol got that right
11:01 Schestowitz-3; Stochastic stuff
11:01 Schestowitz-3; been almost 20 years since I read about it
11:01 matey; http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7941 <- this is just eugenics masturbating on armchair stastics-based pseudo-intellectual bullshit
11:02 matey; im surprised you think theres science going on there
11:02 Schestowitz-3; https://www.mdpi.com/2073-8994/12/9/1533/pdf?version=1600323082
11:02 Schestowitz-3; The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
11:02 Schestowitz-3; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg
11:02 TR Bot; Werner Heisenberg - Wikipedia
11:02 matey; what does heisenberg have to do with esr?
11:03 mole; was thinking about the heisenberg uncertainty while ago, it's conceptually flawed slightly
11:03 Schestowitz-3; that article esr did on einstein
11:03 Schestowitz-3; he had competition
11:03 matey; ,,,
11:03 Schestowitz-3; other people working on "the bomb"
11:03 matey; it wasnt about einstein
11:03 Schestowitz-3; or rather the theory enabling it
11:03 matey; it was about africans
11:03 mole; the sampling-theorem of Shannon resolves the contradiction surrounding the "uncertainty"
11:04 matey; seriously, you just posted some nazi internet psueudoscience bullshit
11:04 mole; in fact, modern physics and science, and most modern signal processing relies on it: the sampling theorem
11:04 Schestowitz-3; matey: didn't read it, just cliicked on it
11:04 mole; which answers the question, what the limitations to measure some signal are
11:04 Schestowitz-3; he did write some scientific blog posts
11:05 Schestowitz-3; but like I said, his politics is reprehensible most of the time
11:05 Schestowitz-3; afaik, it's not even new
11:05 Schestowitz-3; afteer 9/11 he became a liability to OSI
11:05 matey; im not implying you sympathise with his nonsense
11:05 Schestowitz-3; but even before that he was a gun fanatic and maybe political misfit
11:05 mole; and the historical uncertainty principle of heisenberg leads to unacceptable scientific contradictions, just as the speed-of-light property do and the planck quantum
11:05 matey; if anything, i dont think youre that stupid (you dont strike me as a eugenicist either)
11:05 matey; my point is
11:05 mole; alot of this is distraction from the real science
11:06 matey; esr is posting about PSUEDOSCIENCE
11:06 Schestowitz-3; >> (you dont strike me as a eugenicist either)
11:06 matey; where is his scientific stuff?
11:06 Schestowitz-3; I'm not IBM employee 100% of the time
11:06 matey; i strongly suspect he knows fuck-all about science
11:06 matey; if he did... he would probably dismiss this utter crap hes posting.
11:06 mole; haven't got at least a reasonable explanation, why real science is distracted from, since it's well established, not secret nor subject to proliferation concerns
11:06 Schestowitz-3; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26875575
11:06 TR Bot; > You are an IBM employee 100% of the time. This is simply illegal. I am surpris... | Hacker News
11:06 matey; 100% of the time <- when did you work for ibm, or even red hat?
11:06 Schestowitz-3; https://linuxreviews.org/IBM_Appears_To_Believe_They_Own_Their_Employees_%22100%25_of_the_time%22
11:06 TR Bot; IBM Appears To Believe They Own Their Employees "100% of the time" - LinuxReviews
11:06 mole; some of it, speed-of-light voodoo, black holes etc... it's only confusing the brains of young students
11:07 matey; esr isnt a scientist
11:07 mole; and the alternative, is some real math and physics elsewhere
11:07 Schestowitz-3; https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/1251830-ibm-to-kernel-maintainer-you-are-an-ibm-employee-100-of-the-time?p=1251871
11:07 TR Bot; To Kernel Maintainer: "You Are An IBM Employee 100% Of The Time" - Phoronix Forums
11:07 matey; hes a nutjob fapping over pseudoscientific bullshit
11:07 matey; ibm-to-kernel-maintainer-you-are-an-ibm-employee-100-of-the-time <- thats funny
11:07 Schestowitz-3; "Raymond began his programming career writing proprietary software, between 1980 and 1985.[5] In 1990, noting that the Jargon File had not been maintained since about 1983, he adopted it, but not without criticism; Paul Dourish maintains an archived original version of the Jargon File, because, he says, Raymond's updates "essentially destroyed what held it together."[6]
11:07 Schestowitz-3; "
11:07 Schestowitz-3; from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond
11:07 TR Bot; Eric S. Raymond - Wikipedia
11:08 Schestowitz-3; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond#/media/File:Eric_Raymond_2019.jpg
11:08 TR Bot; Eric S. Raymond - Wikipedia
11:08 Schestowitz-3; he looks like Rob Enderle now
11:08 Schestowitz-3; with that facial hair
11:09 matey; i think hes a turd
11:09 Schestowitz-3; it does not say if he has anyhigher education or complementary education
11:09 Schestowitz-3; (comparable)
11:10 Schestowitz-3; Zuckerberg: you are FB user 100% of the time
11:10 Schestowitz-3; "get the app"
11:10 matey; if you have an android phone, you probably ARE an fb user 100% of the time
11:10 matey; unless youve rooted it
11:11 Schestowitz-3; if you install the "app"
11:11 Schestowitz-3; iirc, it was around 7 years ago that FB mandated installing "app"
11:11 matey; preinstalled on most android phones
11:11 Schestowitz-3; to send private messages
11:11 Schestowitz-3; it's a form of blackmail
11:11 Schestowitz-3; you cannot talk to "friends"
11:11 Schestowitz-3; or see what they tell you
11:11 matey; you have to root the phone to remove fb app
11:11 Schestowitz-3; UNTIL you put the "app" on your "phone"
11:12 Schestowitz-3; of course the app [sic] will do a lot more than the above functionality
11:12 matey; next itll be, you have to root the phone but it will leave some functionality a la internet edgesplorer
11:12 matey; then youll have to find the files and delete
11:12 Schestowitz-3; microphone, address book harvesting, cameras, location tracking etc.
11:12 matey; all that shit
11:12 Schestowitz-3; today's "apps" complain if there is no network connection
11:12 Schestowitz-3; even if you are on wifdi
11:12 Schestowitz-3; as they cannot determine our physical loication
11:12 matey; crapps
11:13 Schestowitz-3; as if they read or send a message you must say where you are (toilet, kitchen, yard)
11:13 matey; i got so close to switching back to a landline recently
11:13 Schestowitz-3; they have sub-meter precision alreayd
11:13 Schestowitz-3; plus altitude to some extent
11:13 Schestowitz-3; depending on number of antennas around you have the number next to the GEEEEEEE
11:13 matey; plus altitude to some extent <- i believe this is all wifi
11:14 matey; i dont think gsm can do that
11:14 Schestowitz-3; wifi does it too
11:14 Schestowitz-3; you live in a seas of wifi connections
11:14 matey; no i dont think gsm can physically do that
11:14 Schestowitz-3; and "hotspots"
11:14 Schestowitz-3; unless you are in some iosolated mension
11:14 matey; wifi does it ONLY (i believe)
11:14 Schestowitz-3; or countryside
11:14 Schestowitz-3; and they see [sic] your devices all the time
11:14 Schestowitz-3; they are a sea of eacons
11:14 Schestowitz-3; *beacons
11:15 matey; if they had vertical arrays of gsm stations then maybe gsm could do that
11:15 matey; i believe gsm tracking is 2d only
11:15 matey; let me know you when you find evidence to the contrary
11:15 Schestowitz-3; you cannot hide from all the other routers and become visible only to yours
11:15 Schestowitz-3; they can detect the radio freqeuencies yyou send
11:15 matey; you cannot hide from all the other routers <- but that is only relevant to wifi
11:15 Schestowitz-3; and afaik it's in the secretive wifi spacs
11:15 Schestowitz-3; wifi3, 4...
11:15 Schestowitz-3; you contantly send signal
11:15 matey; afaik it's in the secretive wifi spacs <- i consider it an application
11:16 matey; maybe its in the specs, i dont know
11:16 Schestowitz-3; but if you used a stationary machine it always comes from the same place
11:16 Schestowitz-3; only signa intensity may vary
11:16 matey; you dont have to move for geolocation to work
11:16 Schestowitz-3; right
11:16 Schestowitz-3; but if the location does not change
11:16 Schestowitz-3; then the data you get form it is worthless
11:16 matey; triangulation works just as well on stationary signal points
11:17 matey; if the location does not change then the data you get form it is worthless <- um
11:17 matey; it probably shows where you live or work
11:17 Schestowitz-3; yes, of course
11:17 Schestowitz-3; but they get it once and that's it
11:17 matey; i dont know if thats "worthless"
11:17 matey; its a hell of a fingerprint
11:17 Schestowitz-3; they know where your MAC address or whatnot is
11:17 Schestowitz-3; there are other ways to find out
11:17 Schestowitz-3; like getting your home address ;)
11:17 matey; but they get it once and that's it <- and they know when you move to a new home / job
11:18 Schestowitz-3; unless you have a reserved desk in some Internet cafe
11:18 matey; like getting your home address <- right, and if they cant get that... now they still can
11:18 matey; i mean if your browser fingerprint never changed
11:18 matey; thats still useful to them for tracking
11:18 Schestowitz-3; exactlyt
11:18 matey; because its a solid identifier across everything you do
11:18 matey; so its not useless
11:18 Schestowitz-3; and they can do that based on this sold dat
11:18 Schestowitz-3; twitter was sekkubg sycg dara
11:18 matey; its actually incredibly useful for tracking someone
11:18 Schestowitz-3; *Selling such data
11:19 Schestowitz-3; I should loook while typing
11:19 matey; <Schestowitz-3> then the data you get form it is worthless <- but its not at all
11:19 matey; <Schestowitz-3> I should loook while typing <- maybe
11:19 Schestowitz-3; psydroid2 posted a link
11:19 Schestowitz-3; so I looked at a different screen
11:19 matey; he posts some good stuff
11:20 Schestowitz-3; he posted in #boycottnovell-social
11:20 Schestowitz-3; that was unrelated to tech
11:20 Schestowitz-3; I can get you a good video on tracking by wifi
11:20 Schestowitz-3; it's from "braxmann"
11:20 matey; you dont need to
11:20 Schestowitz-3; OK
11:20 matey; i already know that tracking by wifi works
11:20 matey; what i was disputing was that gsm can track in 3d
11:20 matey; as i dont believe it can
11:20 Schestowitz-3; tablets are like this
11:20 Schestowitz-3; even without gsm
11:20 matey; yes, without gsm
11:21 matey; but only without gsm
11:21 Schestowitz-3; if you have wifi on and walk through a town with many wifi 'hoitspots'
11:21 Schestowitz-3; like BT's
11:21 Schestowitz-3; they call it "the clown"
11:21 matey; as gsm cant do that unless they set up vertical arrays of towers
11:21 Schestowitz-3; it's a deployment og beacons
11:21 matey; but that would be silly when wifi already provides this cheaply
11:21 matey; and for gsm it would be incredibly expensive
11:21 matey; if we go into the future
11:21 matey; i would not be surprised if gsm isnt abandoned for wifi ENTIRELY
11:21 Schestowitz-3; so you need to walk with something like Palm PDA
11:21 matey; but it wont be this decade
11:21 Schestowitz-3; with IR and BT turned off
11:21 matey; probably not the next one either
11:21 Schestowitz-3; IR maybe OK
11:22 Schestowitz-3; it's very short range
11:22 matey; ir would be worthless
11:22 Schestowitz-3; but blutwooth (BT) can be picked up
11:22 Schestowitz-3; like a nearby phone
11:22 matey; its not just short range, its line of sight
11:22 matey; perfectly useless for most wireless applications
11:22 matey; not for remote controls
11:23 Schestowitz-3; but in a shop iff they beam to you or you beam at them they might get device ID
11:23 Schestowitz-3; depending on the IR protocol
11:23 matey; good luck with that
11:23 Schestowitz-3; tough
11:23 matey; i had one laptop with an ir thing
11:23 Schestowitz-3; they scan your iterms with barcode
11:23 Schestowitz-3; IR
11:23 matey; i removed the optical diode
11:23 matey; they scan your iterms with barcode <- very short range
11:23 matey; maybe with a laser they could do more
11:23 Schestowitz-3; at shops I wear two masks
11:24 Schestowitz-3; it hide the jawbone too
11:24 Schestowitz-3; all they see is a pair of eyes
11:24 matey; technically they have ir lasers but barcode scanners are usually visible
11:24 Schestowitz-3; I'm like a saudi prisoner, also known as woman
11:24 matey; all they see is a pair of eyes <- surveillance cameras will become hi res enough to biometric you based on this eventually
11:24 matey; phones can already do it
11:24 Schestowitz-3; another source of threat is some card they now give with chips on them
11:24 matey; i dont know how many years away that is
11:25 Schestowitz-3; if they have strong enough scanners to reach the chips
11:25 Schestowitz-3; there are actual FBI vans now that xray homes
11:25 matey; i mean it depends if the chip has a transmitter/antenna
11:25 Schestowitz-3; without saying they're FBI vans, obviously
11:25 Schestowitz-3; and they can give you cancer
11:25 matey; the ones the uk used to have, usa still has now
11:25 matey; no transmitter
11:25 Schestowitz-3; but hey, FBI ;)
11:25 Schestowitz-3; they also execute people on the spot
11:25 matey; theyre contact-only
11:25 matey; they also execute people on the spot <- news to me
11:26 mole; what scares me, about all this, science and the surveillance crap: the level of arrogance and dilletantism involved
11:26 matey; there are actual FBI vans now that xray homes <- thats a 10 year old story, maybe 15
11:26 mole; besides the political propganda crap
11:26 matey; not irrelevant
11:26 matey; just not new
11:26 Schestowitz-3; <matey> i mean it depends if the chip has a transmitter/antenna
11:26 Schestowitz-3; it's a passive chip
11:26 Schestowitz-3; they just need to blow it with signal
11:26 Schestowitz-3; and it returns somerhing
11:26 matey; thats still a transmitter
11:26 matey; even if its powered by the
11:26 Schestowitz-3; but I imagine to do this across a road they need very high amplitude
11:26 matey; do you know "the thing"
11:26 Schestowitz-3; maybe it would make you vomit LOL
11:27 matey; it was a passive transmitter used to spy on the white house
11:27 matey; it was powered BY the transmission sent to it
11:27 matey; and it returned audio
11:27 matey; this was decades ago
11:27 matey; maybe even 60s 70s
11:27 Schestowitz-3; then you have laser microphones
11:27 matey; soviet era
11:28 Schestowitz-3; I hear they're getting more precise these days
11:28 Schestowitz-3; but many people now have many microphones in their home
11:28 matey; then you have laser microphones <- but again, line of sight
11:28 Schestowitz-3; connected to the Web and Net ALL the time
11:28 Schestowitz-3; not landlines
11:28 matey; a passive transmitter could work even where a laser mic would not
11:28 Schestowitz-3; the fake "phones"
11:28 matey; a laser mic is probably harder to detect though
11:29 Schestowitz-3; embassies studied these already
11:29 matey; obviously
11:29 matey; if its on wikipedia, and can be used to compromise an embassy
11:29 matey; theyve probably studied it
11:29 Schestowitz-3; no windows for some rooms
11:29 matey; because laser mics
11:30 matey; among other reasons...
11:30 Schestowitz-3; https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/07/who-bugged-ecuadors-london-embassy/313640/
11:30 TR Bot; Who Bugged Julian Assange's Hideout? - The Atlantic
11:30 matey; windows are also see-thru
11:30 Schestowitz-3; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/04/ecuador-names-embassy-bug-surveillance
11:30 TR Bot; Ecuador says London embassy bug hidden in socket | Ecuador | The Guardian
11:30 Schestowitz-3; https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ecuador-claims-hidden-microphone-found-in-its-london-embassy-1.1352724
11:30 TR Bot; Ecuador claims hidden microphone found in its London Embassy | CTV News
11:31 matey; if you can xray through brick you can read lips :)
11:31 matey; then maybe theyll use lead walls or something
11:31 matey; spy tech is nuts
11:32 Schestowitz-3; overrated
11:32 matey; maybe someday theyll find a way to use quantum entanglement to record inside secret buildings
11:32 Schestowitz-3; the xray stuff is for things like drug raids, iirc
11:32 matey; overrated <- not sure what you mean
11:32 Schestowitz-3; they want to know which room you might be in
11:32 Schestowitz-3; or when toy do certain activities
11:32 Schestowitz-3; now they have spy meters in many homes
11:32 Schestowitz-3; they "save energy"
11:32 Schestowitz-3; so they already have a lot more info
11:32 matey; good for profiling
11:33 Schestowitz-3; poobook
11:33 Schestowitz-3; coming soon from Zuck and Sandbag
11:33 Schestowitz-3; Sandbag leaves FB to start her own company
11:33 Schestowitz-3; poopbook
11:33 Schestowitz-3; upload your photos
11:33 Schestowitz-3; get "likes"
11:33 Schestowitz-3; go VIRAL
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11:34 DaemonFC; More Billshit.
11:34 Schestowitz-3; oh oh
11:34 Schestowitz-3; billg or bullshit at home?
11:35 DaemonFC; NPR doing inflation articles about taco trucks and pizza slices.
11:35 Schestowitz-3; it's too early to phone landlord
11:35 Schestowitz-3; BillPR
11:35 DaemonFC; I just call everything NPR posts "Billshit" at this point.
11:35 Schestowitz-3; not NPR
11:35 Schestowitz-3; BillPR, formerly known as NPR
11:35 Schestowitz-3; unless Bill is the NATION
11:35 *matey has quit (connection closed)
11:35 Schestowitz-3; BillBeeShit
11:35 Schestowitz-3; (BBC)
11:36 *matey (~matey@6byxczt6txq2u.irc) has joined #techrights
11:36 TR News; On inflation https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/inflation-economy-labor-market/ | Source: The Nation
11:36 TR Bot; We Shouldnt Destroy What Is Working in Our Economy | The Nation
11:36 DaemonFC; https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/northwest-indiana-fireworks-dealers-say-business-has-fizzled-this-year
11:36 TR Bot; Northwest Indiana fireworks dealers say business has fizzled this year
11:37 TR News; "With the rise of many developing economies, in particular, the Chinese economy" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/06/27/prospects-world-peace-after-south-korean-president-yoons-acceptance-bidens-new-cold | Source: Common Dreams
11:37 TR Bot; Opinion | Prospects for World Peace After South Korean President Yoon's Acceptance of Biden's New Cold War | Seung Hee Jeon
11:37 DaemonFC; Wondering why with hyperinflation people aren't spending their money on things that burn to celebrate a country that's killing us.
11:37 DaemonFC; "The guys call us and say theyre not able to purchase this year because of economic reasons, gas being too high. I have seen a lot of people doing carpooling now because gas has gone up," Mota said.
11:37 DaemonFC; Oh the horrors.
11:37 Schestowitz-3; succinctly put
11:37 DaemonFC; Carpooling!
11:38 Schestowitz-3; crap-pooing
11:38 DaemonFC; <Schestowitz-3> succinctly put
11:39 DaemonFC; Back in the 90s when things were cheap and money was abundant and jobs were everywhere, I suppose people would be more in the mood to celebrate.
11:39 TR News; Elon Musk aka "pedo guy" and Twitter https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/06/27/tax-extreme-wealth-save-planet-earth | Source: Common Dreams
11:39 TR Bot; Opinion | Tax Extreme Wealth to Save Planet Earth | Basav Sen
11:39 DaemonFC; When I started driving, gas was like, a little over $1 a gallon.
11:40 DaemonFC; It wasn't that hard to fill up a 17 gallon tank when the whole tank of gas would be like $18 or $18.50.
11:40 DaemonFC; Today you have to spend like $90-100.
11:40 TR News; Charles Reich https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/06/27/corporatization-just-about-everything-including-climate-crisis-and-outer-space "Greening of America." Or greeenwash http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/
11:40 TR Bot; Opinion | The Corporatization of Just About EverythingIncluding the Climate Crisis and Outer Space | Tom Valovic
11:40 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights
11:40 DaemonFC; The government lies to make inflation seem like not a big deal, but now it's so bad and so fast that they can't completely lie about it and tell you it's very low, tame even.
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11:41 DaemonFC; People were standing in line at Walmart to spend a one or two time "stimulus" check on another television set.
11:41 DaemonFC; When it was painfully obvious what would happen a couple of years later.
11:41 Schestowitz-3; different things here
11:41 Schestowitz-3; 1) benckruptiies
11:42 Schestowitz-3; 2) media reporting on (2)
11:42 Schestowitz-3; if (2) does not happen, did (1) happen?
11:42 Schestowitz-3; The media is a filter
11:42 DaemonFC; Bankruptcy wave in the UK?
11:42 Schestowitz-3; BillPR is a lie machine
11:42 Schestowitz-3; iI avoid it
11:42 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: many shops closed
11:42 DaemonFC; Yeah, the media just tells you the official narrative so you won't panic.
11:42 Schestowitz-3; we see "new ones" (as in dead ones) every month
11:42 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: unemployment loest ever
11:42 Schestowitz-3; back to normal
11:43 Schestowitz-3; go to the office
11:43 Schestowitz-3; "great resignation"
11:43 Schestowitz-3; "talent shortage"
11:43 Schestowitz-3; "apply today"
11:43 DaemonFC; Yes, they say "recovery", but from the Metra in the richest cities in the country no less, empty retail and commercial space everywhere.
11:43 Schestowitz-3; the NC media near red hat makes it seem like everyone is hiring
11:43 DaemonFC; About the only places that haven't seemed to flop are the grocery store, the pharmacy, and Starbucks.
11:43 Schestowitz-3; and gives the impression yoour unemmployed ngihbour is just a lazy bum
11:43 Schestowitz-3; without a job of of PERSONAKL choice
11:43 Schestowitz-3; remember.... "great resignation"
11:43 Schestowitz-3; it's the victims' fault
11:44 Schestowitz-3; they jujst resign
11:44 Schestowitz-3; in droves
11:44 Schestowitz-3; no layoffs happening
11:44 DaemonFC; No job. No need for money, apparently.
11:44 Schestowitz-3; tesla has a great resignation problem
11:44 Schestowitz-3; and "talent shortager"
11:44 DaemonFC; The rent stopped, gas and food are free.
11:44 *mole (~mole@sgqumk3hmazfw.irc) has joined #techrights
11:44 DaemonFC; Things are just too easy, you know.
11:45 mole; strange, i recompiled my irc client, statically linking against libtls-bearssl, and the certificate pinning verification works again :)
11:46 mole; i mean, this is even better
11:48 mole; because, with libtls/bearssl, it remains totally independent from common upstream clusterfuck surrounding openssl/libressl
11:49 mole; and if something related to libressl was breaking certificate fingerprint matching of pinned certificates, i don't know, what to think of this
11:50 mole; no blame intended, it was just a slap into my face this morning, to see the irc client complain, after libtls/libressl was updated
11:50 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Here's what I posted on Facebook about the Democrats, on a post about the "1/6 Committee".
11:50 DaemonFC; "The Democrats let Roe v. Wade die on their watch while they were up to (1) toothless hearings about January 6th that won't lead to any voters changing their minds or prosecutions, (2) frantically sending fundraising emails about Roe v. Wade while they do nothing to codify it, and (3) passing another federal budget with the Hyde Amendment even though they control the Senate, it's not subject to a filibuster, and they could remove it if they
11:50 DaemonFC; wanted to.
11:50 DaemonFC; This is after RBG clung to her Supreme Court seat until she was dead and let Trump replace her, bringing about the Dobbs decision.
11:50 DaemonFC; The Democrats have been a huge help, haven't they?"
11:50 mole; there wasn't any compilation or linking error reported, none at all... nonetheless, some crucial security feature broke silently
11:50 mole; which was only cought by accident with the irc client i am using
11:51 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, They could remove the Hyde Amendment right now and let states get federal matching Medicaid funds for abortion.
11:51 DaemonFC; Retaliation for the Dobbs decision.
11:51 DaemonFC; But they don't even talk about Hyde.
11:52 DaemonFC; Removing the Hyde Amendment wouldn't force any state to cover abortion, it would merely let them get federal matching funds if they do cover it.
11:52 DaemonFC; So if Texas sued, they'd have an almost impossible standard since nobody is forcing them to cover it.
11:53 DaemonFC; It would be like their suit claiming they are theoretically harmed by expanded Medicaid because they chose not to expand, but people there pay federal taxes.
11:53 DaemonFC; It got thrown out of court for lack of standing.
11:54 DaemonFC; Could the Republicans bring back Hyde someday. Technically, yes, but not until there's a new budget bill with it that the president would sign, and it would have to pass both chambers of Congress.
11:54 DaemonFC; So not for at least three years.
11:55 DaemonFC; That would be another political mess for at least a few Republicans.
11:55 DaemonFC; Remember that a few of them claim that they were blindsided by Trump's Supreme Court picks, who they say assured them Roe was settled.
11:56 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/252657
11:56 TR Bot; Russian Defense Ministry confirms strike on Kremenchuk, says ammo explosion caused shopping mall fire
11:56 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/28/at-least-18-victims-following-mall-missile-strike-in-kremenchuk-news "At least 18 victims following mall missile strike in Kremenchuk"
11:56 DaemonFC; If they bring back Hyde, they have to face their voters, and if they were confident that their voters absolutely didn't want Dobbs, then why are they trying to say they were "tricked" into confirming the judges that did it?
11:56 TR Bot; .
11:56 DaemonFC; So it's not at all a sure thing that Hyde would come back unless the Republicans can get 53 seats.
11:57 *Schestowitz-3 back (checked blood pressure)
11:57 DaemonFC; The smart thing to do politically right now is repeal it and force "moderate" Republicans who have an election to win to face angry voters in their states and districts.
11:58 DaemonFC; The Democrats are pretty stupid though.
11:58 DaemonFC; They're probably still in there figuring out more ways to lose because people will say "What difference does it make?".
11:59 TR News; "Oxfam International is demanding a global windfall profits tax on the massive financial gains made by large corporations over the last two years of the Covid-19 pandemic" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/27/global-windfall-profit-tax-90-needed-address-catastrophic-food-climate-crises-oxfam | Source: Common Dreams
11:59 TR Bot; Global Windfall Profit Tax of 90% Needed to Address 'Catastrophic' Food, Climate Crises: Oxfam
11:59 DaemonFC; The way the House map worked out and the way that the Senate elections this year fall, there's not too many places where voters angry about Hyde repeal could take revenge.
11:59 DaemonFC; It would be more of a liability for the Republicans.
12:00 DaemonFC; New Mexico Democrats probably made a mistake in redistricting and trying to take all three House seats.
12:00 DaemonFC; They've weakened their hold on two to try to take the third, and now they might lose them all.
12:01 DaemonFC; The Democrats have tried to aggressively redistrict this cycle to make up for the Republicans controlling more states, and it puts seats at risk that they have now.
12:02 DaemonFC; I think Illinois might have been the only aggressive redistricting that's more likely than not to work out well for them.
12:02 DaemonFC; They overplayed their hand in New York, a court threw out the maps, and they had "competitive districts" forced on them instead by a college professor who was tasked with redistricting by the court.
12:02 DaemonFC; That was just badly badly botched because it was such an overreach.
12:03 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, That extended stay hotel over by the mall gets mixed reviews.
12:04 DaemonFC; It's only $1,000 a month, which is cheap considering what apartments go for, where the landlord additionally expects you to pay for utilities.
12:04 DaemonFC; So we _could_ go back to living in a hotel and paying by the month again for a while if we had to.
12:04 DaemonFC; That has ups and downs obviously.
12:04 Schestowitz-3; the price varies
12:04 DaemonFC; There's no landlord but the terms of your stay can change immediately on you with no time to prepare.
12:04 Schestowitz-3; I forgot how much you got in that hote//motal
12:05 Schestowitz-3; with the over issues
12:05 Schestowitz-3; *motel
12:05 Schestowitz-3; and then they jacked up the prices
12:05 DaemonFC; Yeah, I think that one was pretty ghetto compared to this one.
12:05 Schestowitz-3; how far from mandy's work?
12:05 DaemonFC; This one looks nice on the outside and there's no indication of crackheads playing shove the Walmart cart into the retention pond.
12:05 Schestowitz-3; you can lower fuel spendings
12:06 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, It would be about the same distance, just from Gurnee instead of over by the lake in Waukegan.
12:06 DaemonFC; He could transfer to the other Walmart.
12:06 DaemonFC; Then it would be closer.
12:06 Schestowitz-3; you can save $200 on fuel a month maybe
12:06 Schestowitz-3; the price may continues to skyrocket
12:06 DaemonFC; I'm just glad I saw this while I can fight our current landlord to stay here until at least our lease ends in 126 days.
12:06 Schestowitz-3; the war is not ending
12:07 DaemonFC; And not wait until I get some letter in the mail saying "you have 30 days to beat it".
12:07 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "military alliance" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/27/nato-boost-ranks-high-readiness-forces-650-over-300000 | Source: Common Dreams
12:07 TR Bot; NATO to Boost Ranks of High-Readiness Forces by 650% to Over 300,000
12:07 DaemonFC; I might lose all the furniture, but that's why I bought cheap furniture.
12:07 TR News; 9 Top Free and Open Source Elixir Web Frameworks Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166572
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12:07 DaemonFC; I got more expensive stuff when I lived with John and lost all of it.
12:08 TR News; IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 169 is available for testing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166573
12:08 TR Bot; IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 169 is available for testing | Tux Machines
12:08 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: mayebv 60 days
12:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, There was a landlord here in Waukegan that was doing 2 year leases.
12:09 DaemonFC; I might see if I can look them up.
12:09 DaemonFC; The stress of having a lease come up every year is not pleasant.
12:09 schestowitz-TR; ] <schestowitz-TR> life in Murica: PTSD without the war, mental breakdown without the anti-depressants
12:09 schestowitz-TR; [09:03] <schestowitz-TR> they will get him contemplating again... unless it boils down to a major error
12:09 schestowitz-TR; [09:03] <schestowitz-TR> he needs to wait 8 hours to phone the landlord
12:09 schestowitz-TR; [09:03] <schestowitz-TR> for IRC you need to check gemini or the tail for circa 4am gmt
12:09 schestowitz-TR; [09:04] <Techrights-sec2> ok checking
12:09 schestowitz-TR; [09:04] <Techrights-sec2> fighting an eviction can drag the process out by up to 60 days iirc about the US
12:09 DaemonFC; <Schestowitz-3> DaemonFC: mayebv 60 days
12:09 DaemonFC; I'm still leaning towards "This is a mistake.".
12:10 DaemonFC; He's given me no indication that he's not happy with us. He was out here last week and the only thing he said was "Thank you sir!" for holding the door, then again to mow the lawn and he waved at me while I was backing the car out.
12:10 TR News; "Weve all heard of the smoke test, and we know that its the lowest possible bar for performance of an electronic device." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/homebrew-optical-sensor-helps-your-diesel-pass-the-smoke-test/ | Source: Hackaday
12:10 TR Bot; Optical Sensor Helps Your Diesel Pass The Smoke Test | Hackaday
12:10 DaemonFC; I mean, usually if there's a problem, I haven't met too many landlords that just keep it to themselves.
12:11 DaemonFC; Neither he nor his wife have filed any evictions in three years.
12:11 DaemonFC; I'm going to pull up the property records and see if they transferred this place to an LLC or anything.
12:12 Schestowitz-3; I was about to day
12:12 Schestowitz-3; that maybe he sells it
12:12 Schestowitz-3; sold it
12:12 Schestowitz-3; or ownership changed in some way
12:12 Schestowitz-3; because I saw people whose landlord puut the home on slae
12:12 Schestowitz-3; even my next door neighboiut
12:13 Schestowitz-3; who owned a brewery or something
12:13 Schestowitz-3; weak business during pandemic
12:16 DaemonFC; The tax department says they own it.
12:16 Schestowitz-3; maybe they are possessed by daemons now
12:18 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166574
12:18 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
12:18 DaemonFC; They owe $22,032 in property taxes on the building for the year.
12:18 DaemonFC; 25 apartments.
12:19 DaemonFC; $881.28 per apartment per year, or $73.44 a month.
12:19 TR News; Easy OS 4.1.....A Quick First Look - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wIZyD6wA8QM Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
12:19 TR Bot; Easy OS 4.1.....A Quick First Look - Invidious
12:21 XRevan86; > As a result of the high-precision strike, Western-made weapons and ammunition stored in the area
12:21 XRevan86; https://images.newsru.co.il/l/207/54/2075400.jpg Efrem Lukatsky from AP took this picture yesterday.
12:21 XRevan86; https://images.newsru.co.il/l/207/53/2075399.jpg and this one
12:21 DaemonFC; No, that's one installment.
12:21 DaemonFC; Wow.
12:22 XRevan86; The former one is the nearby factory, the latter is the mall.
12:22 DaemonFC; They owe $44,000 in property taxes on this place every year and it only covers two-thirds of the total complex?
12:22 XRevan86; So the factory is untouched.
12:23 DaemonFC; Our current rent is $875, so that leaves them with like $725 after the property taxes.
12:23 DaemonFC; I wonder what our water and sewage bill come out to.
12:23 DaemonFC; $100 maybe?
12:23 DaemonFC; Let's say he has $600 left each month after water/sewage, our share of the trash removal, and property taxes.
12:24 TR News; MNT Pocket Reform 7-inch modular mini laptop takes a range of Arm (and FPGA) modules Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166575
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12:24 DaemonFC; That would still be $180,000 out of 25 apartments for the year, assuming he can keep them all rented out.
12:25 DaemonFC; Even if you generously assume it costs him $20,000 in maintainence, insurance, and natural gas (for the water heater and to keep the hallways warm enough not to freeze in the winter), that's $160,000.
12:26 DaemonFC; The guy and his wife are probably loaded, and they'd be loaded even if they didn't come out raise rent on all of their tenants.
12:26 DaemonFC; But that's true of pretty much all landlords.
12:27 DaemonFC; Take mom's for example "Dear tenant, due to inflation your rent is going up $225 a month starting next month. By the way, do you like the house I just bought on the lake? It's even bigger than the last one.".
12:27 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, They floated the idea of rent control boards a few years ago because of the overheated rental market in Chicago.
12:28 DaemonFC; THe landlords are, unsurprisingly, fighting it off.
12:29 Schestowitz-3; XRevan86: many shots
12:29 XRevan86; Yes, from two different locations.
12:29 DaemonFC; Their position is if the tenants have to pay $20 a year to feed the rent control board it will be too hard on the tenants. And that's their job. The landlord can come out and raise the rent by $600 every year, and that's not a burden on the tenants at all you know.
12:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-28.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:30 Schestowitz-3; most Americans do not even own a home
12:30 Schestowitz-3; mortgage does not count as ownership
12:30 DaemonFC; If you complain about it, they'll tell you to get out and then you just have to pay the same or more so some other jerk.
12:30 Schestowitz-3; the bank i s the landlord
12:30 DaemonFC; You can't win.
12:30 DaemonFC; Yeah, they also don't fix anything.
12:31 DaemonFC; And you have to throw away more money than you planned on because of PMI and homeowner's insurance, and directly paying the taxes to the government.
12:31 matey; roys on a real american kick today
12:31 DaemonFC; Which are going to be a hell of a lot more than $1,600 a year baked into your rent.
12:31 matey; i hope it makes being british less stupid
12:31 matey; not that roy is even british
12:31 DaemonFC; The going rate on property taxes on a house around here are like $6,000-8,000 a year.
12:31 matey; how are things in germany, i wonder
12:32 TR News; COVID-19 patent profiteers like Bill Gates, the enabler of the child sex trafficking ring of jeffrey Epstein https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/oxfam-windfall-tax-food-climate/ | Source: The Nation
12:32 TR Bot; A Windfall Tax on Covid Profits Could Ease the Catastrophic Food Crisis | The Nation
12:32 matey; if we ask herr goebbels, not great
12:32 DaemonFC; So you're paying as much in taxes as you would be to rent, and that's before the mortgage and the insurance and repairs.
12:32 matey; of course being poor sucks no matter where you life
12:32 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Most people don't think of this until they're in there getting fucked six ways to Sunday on "home ownership".
12:32 DaemonFC; And then the furnace goes out too.
12:32 TR News; Polluter... like the person who gives bribes to Pro Publica, Bill Gates, the world's biggest polluter https://www.propublica.org/article/pollution-kentucky-westlake-chemical-cancer
12:32 TR Bot; The Polluter Just Got a Million-Dollar Fine. That Wont Cure This Womans Rare Cancer. ProPublica
12:32 matey; roy talks of retiring in his 40s so i guess he wouldnt know
12:33 DaemonFC; Eh why not?
12:33 DaemonFC; Ever since 2008, have you seen what it's like trying to get a job?
12:34 DaemonFC; Eventually one might call you back but you'll be putting pizzas in the oven at Little Caesars for $12 an hour.
12:34 DaemonFC; Especially since they can nitpick and if there's anything at all wrong with you they can move on to the next.
12:34 DaemonFC; Richard Stallman was actually right about Disability.
12:35 Schestowitz-3; matey: semi
12:35 DaemonFC; It hardly makes sense trying to "catch" anyone because what kind of a job would they have if you did?
12:35 Schestowitz-3; like part time
12:35 DaemonFC; Not that it stops the politicians.
12:35 matey; home ownership in the united states is 65%
12:35 DaemonFC; They'd prefer you die on a park bench in the cold.
12:35 Schestowitz-3; our expenses are low, but this inflation rate is insane
12:35 DaemonFC; Where you won't bother them.
12:35 Schestowitz-3; matey: how do they count kids and couples?
12:35 matey; higher than france
12:36 Schestowitz-3; also, how do they count one person with 10 homes?
12:36 matey; higher than sweden
12:36 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, I'm dreading this phone call. Almost makes me want to text.
12:36 Schestowitz-3; phone
12:36 matey; oh.. and higher than the united kingdom.
12:36 DaemonFC; Like, how do you comfortably bring up "So I saw MY apartment on the listings?".
12:36 Schestowitz-3; mortgages are common here
12:36 matey; considerably higher than germany.
12:36 Schestowitz-3; if they count mortgages too, then it's not meaningful
12:36 DaemonFC; I mean, like, I always end up coming off as annoyed and pissed off that I have to stop and deal with people.
12:37 matey; for some reason, roy is just obsessed with the well-being of americans
12:37 Schestowitz-3; maybe 65% is like US "unemployment" rate
12:37 matey; even its when its bullshit.
12:37 Schestowitz-3; where they don't count "unemployment" at all
12:37 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3,
12:37 Schestowitz-3; they count "number of people actively seeking job in past 6 months"
12:37 DaemonFC; They want forty year mortgages here now.
12:37 matey; hey, idiot-- american home ownership is higher than british OR your actual country of origin
12:37 DaemonFC; Nobody at the banks want affordable home sale prices.
12:37 DaemonFC; They want 40 year mortgages that are pure interest.
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12:37 matey; just saying
12:38 matey; youre fake british superiority doesnt hold water today
12:38 matey; not on on this one
12:38 DaemonFC; Home ownership in the US has been declining rapidly.
12:38 Schestowitz-3; germany is also expensive
12:38 Schestowitz-3; but let me check
12:38 DaemonFC; The banks play games with people where they keep stuff off the market to drive the prices up on other things.
12:38 Schestowitz-3; can you give a link
12:38 Schestowitz-3; so I can check what they calculate?
12:38 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate
12:38 TR Bot; List of countries by home ownership rate - Wikipedia
12:38 DaemonFC; Even to the point where the home has been empty so long they're out there tearing it down later.
12:38 Schestowitz-3; many people consider mortgage "home ownership"
12:38 Schestowitz-3; I ndispute that
12:39 Schestowitz-3; I know families and couple who "owned" a home
12:39 Schestowitz-3; and then don't
12:39 matey; you can dispute round earth if you want
12:39 DaemonFC; Owing a bank for 30 or 40 years isn't ownership.
12:39 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC will tell you his parents had "homes"
12:39 Schestowitz-3; and now rent
12:39 matey; i put no stock in your self-serving massage of statistics
12:39 DaemonFC; My parents had a lot of homes and never paid off a single one.
12:39 matey; so you can boast about things that have nothing to do with you
12:39 DaemonFC; They were lucky enough to sell into a market where prices were rising and not still owe the bank when they moved out.
12:39 DaemonFC; But that's not a guarantee.
12:39 Schestowitz-3; not many people own a home
12:40 matey; you want to talk about home ownership, youre not even a citizen where you live
12:40 Schestowitz-3; the media BS tells them loan from the bank means ownership
12:40 matey; they could boot you out at any time, and you talk about the bank being the real owner of a home
12:40 Schestowitz-3; it doesn't mean jack ***
12:40 Schestowitz-3; it just means you are more enslaved than before
12:40 DaemonFC; No it doesn't.
12:40 matey; then why bring it up?
12:40 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, I owned a Kia.
12:40 DaemonFC; Two missed payments and a bankruptcy, I don't own it.
12:40 DaemonFC; And that was only a 6.5 year loan.
12:41 DaemonFC; Now consider 30 or 40 years.
12:41 DaemonFC; On a house.
12:41 DaemonFC; That costs twice as much because it's in Illinois.
12:41 matey; heres what i think: you were having your daily pride vs american situation
12:41 matey; your information was wank again
12:41 matey; so you turned on a dime wrt your position
12:41 DaemonFC; With the government parasites putting a second mortgage on it that never goes away ($8,000 property tax bill)
12:42 matey; you were just implying americans are in a bad situation wrt living situation-- which is true
12:42 matey; though not for the reason you stated
12:42 DaemonFC; So even if you ever do own it, you still have to rent it....from the government.
12:42 matey; now youre saying theyre LESS "enslaved" based on your definition
12:42 matey; imo you just make shit up as you go
12:42 matey; at least with some things, like this.
12:42 matey; like bancruptcy being a different thing in the usa
12:42 DaemonFC; There's a homestead exemption in Illinois, but it's laughable. The government taxes the shit out of you here.
12:42 matey; because you wanted to feel better than dfc
12:43 matey; but bankruptcy isnt different in the uk or the eu
12:43 matey; its the same thing there it is in the states
12:43 DaemonFC; Bankruptcy is bankruptcy.
12:43 TR News; "Were the richest country in the world, home to the richest people on the planet. We can, and we must, treat our workers with the dignity and respect" https://robertreich.org/post/688269074971672576 | Source: Robert Reich
12:43 TR Bot; Robert Reich (4 Myths About Raising the Minimum Wage The federal...)
12:43 matey; and you cant find a single country where "bankrupcty" only applies to corporations like you said
12:43 matey; "wikipedia failed me"
12:43 DaemonFC; It's what happens when you can't pay your debts anymore and need a court order to protect you from your creditors.
12:43 matey; i think facts fail you. often.
12:43 matey; because you make things up a lot.
12:44 matey; not the things you CITE
12:44 matey; just the ones you pull from your arse.
12:44 DaemonFC; The Philippines maybe, but it's not a "real" country.
12:44 matey; you ever heard of cheers?
12:44 DaemonFC; It's a corrupt and autocratic dictatorship.
12:44 matey; took place not far from the fsf
12:44 matey; there was this guy, cliff clavin
12:44 DaemonFC; If you owe people money, you go and hide somewhere.
12:44 matey; routinely used facts and trivia to produce an air of superiority
12:45 DaemonFC; The entire country owes money it can't pay to outfits like the IMF, for "loans" that "improve their lives" by being stolen by people like the Marcos family.
12:45 matey; got it from his mother
12:45 matey; just saying.
12:45 DaemonFC; The US government is in quite a lot of debt, but we don't have anything like the Marcos family going on here.
12:46 TR News; "the FAA and the FCC (the agency that actually knows how spectrum works) had gotten into a bit of an ugly tussle over the FAAs claim that 5G could harm air travel safety." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/verizon-att-delay-5g-due-to-ongoing-scuff-up-over-airplane-interference/ | Source: Techdirt
12:46 TR Bot; AT&T Delay 5G Due To Ongoing Scuff Up Over Airplane Interference | Techdirt
12:46 DaemonFC; *Redeems SDRs and flees the country with them....Bongbong next...*
12:47 DaemonFC; matey, Unfortunately, there is no total limit to how much debt you can find yourself in.
12:47 DaemonFC; Sometimes married couples take turns filing bankruptcy here and stagger it.
12:47 DaemonFC; Like "Okay, I'll pay your medical bills off and file this time. You're up next.".
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12:48 DaemonFC; If you're married, you can effectively file bankruptcy twice as often.
12:48 DaemonFC; Unless you live in one of a few community property states.
12:48 DaemonFC; It's less than ideal. You may both have a bankruptcy on your credit report when you go looking for a place to rent.
12:48 *mole (~mole@sgqumk3hmazfw.irc) has joined #techrights
12:48 DaemonFC; But it beats having hospitals and shit chasing you down.
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12:49 DaemonFC; Welcome to America. You may not be dead, but you'll wish you were when you get the bill.
12:50 matey; anybody can get facts wrong of course
12:50 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, I call mom sometimes for advice on whether I should bother taking a problem to the doctor or hospital.
12:50 matey; its funny how so much of what you get wrong subtly implies something personal about other people you... are in some kind of competition with
12:50 DaemonFC; She's a nurse at least, I suppose.
12:50 matey; just a trend ive spotted over time
12:50 Schestowitz-3; https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-debt 2.3 trillion pounds
12:50 TR Bot; United Kingdom Public Sector Net Debt Ex Banks - May 2022 Data - 1975-2021 Historical
12:50 DaemonFC; Like, if you break your toe, you can go hobble in there so they can do nothing except make a splint and bill you $4,000 for saying yeah your tow is broken.
12:51 matey; okay
12:51 Schestowitz-3; was 0.5 before the economy collapsed
12:51 DaemonFC; You can do that at home with some tape and cotton balls for crying out loud.
12:51 matey; and thats in comparison to...
12:51 DaemonFC; *toe
12:51 Schestowitz-3; https://tradingeconomics.com/france/government-debt
12:51 TR Bot; France General Government Debt - 2022 Data - 2023 Forecast - 1995-2021 Historical
12:52 DaemonFC; Yeah, most of the time the doctor doesn't even do anything, then you get some outrageous bill in the mail.
12:52 matey; the economy is going to continue collapsing
12:52 matey; thats what it does
12:52 matey; it gets built, it collapses
12:52 DaemonFC; You'd think people would at least take their meds so that they don't end up in the ER getting a quarter million in debt after having a heart attack.
12:52 matey; both phases benefit the rich
12:52 matey; differently
12:52 DaemonFC; Which could have been prevented by some meds that cost $4 a month.
12:53 matey; the economy is bipolar. when its not smiling on the rich
12:53 matey; its frowning on the poor
12:53 DaemonFC; It's not JUST the thought of dying that concerns me about going to seek medical attention.
12:53 matey; heads i win, tails you lose
12:53 DaemonFC; It's the idea that you know, a lot of the time it'll either be nothing or something they can't do anything about, but there's still crushing debt involved.
12:54 DaemonFC; You know what the follow-up for a seizure is like?
12:54 Schestowitz-3; https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/government-debt
12:54 TR Bot; Germany Public Debt - 2022 Data - 2023 Forecast - 1995-2021 Historical - Chart - News
12:54 DaemonFC; You literally run up another $50,000 or more in debt so they still can't tell you why it happened, and now you have their attorneys going after you for that AND the $15,000 ER bill too.
12:56 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, For several years with no insurance, I was going to a church that was running a free and sliding scale fee clinic in their basement.
12:56 DaemonFC; They had a retired Nurse Practitioner and some other people who came in and volunteered on Wednesdays, and if you needed medication, they'd help you out if it was generic or get you on some program from the drug companies that covered it.
12:56 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QZGurhtlve8
12:57 TR Bot; Band On The Run - Invidious
12:57 DaemonFC; It was one of the few years where I was getting something approaching decent medical care, and then Obamacare caused them to have to shut it all down.
12:58 DaemonFC; All their patients got "expanded medicaid" and couldn't use it anywhere, but it's "fraud" to give someone free medical care if they have Medicaid, and they didn't have a billind department at the church, so....
12:58 DaemonFC; No more free clinic.
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
13:02 DaemonFC; Well, no more 5% back on gas in a few days. Goes down to 4% on my other card though. I did figure out how to get 5% for another quarter though. BP's app lets you tell it what pump you're at and pay through Paypal. And Discover's next quarter has Paypal at 5%. so sending the gas station through Paypal makes it code as Paypal, not gas.
13:03 matey; christians are not my favourite people today
13:03 matey; religion doesnt bother me-- religious persecution does
13:03 matey; by "religious persecution" i mean people imposing their beliefs on people to their detriment or oppression
13:03 matey; im against theocracy in all forms
13:04 matey; im really only annoyed with the ones responsible for this roe v wade shit
13:04 matey; but my first response is to change all my purchasing habits-- how much of my money gets spent where
13:04 TR News; WINNUKE Post Morte gemini://gem.rmgr.dev/blog/2022-06-28-winnuke-post-mortem.gmi
13:05 matey; to cut back substantially on how much of it goes to people on the religious right
13:05 matey; one guy i know is to blame for this, gets tipped a lot by me
13:05 matey; i will tip him the same
13:05 matey; he will be seeing me a lot less often
13:05 TR News; </p></blockquote></li>
13:05 matey; ill be buying groceries differently
13:05 TR News; Called To The Giallo gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1045 "There is nothing quite like being able to witness a really good Giallo picture on the big screen. "
13:06 matey; of course this is just a bandage move
13:06 matey; ultimately theocracy needs to fucking end
13:06 matey; ill defend religious people from mandatory atheism
13:06 matey; today its the opposite of that
13:07 Schestowitz-3; mandatory gravity
13:07 matey; gravity isnt a belief, and no one is required to believe in it
13:08 matey; its not illegal to believe in some idiotic alternative to gravity
13:08 matey; in some countries, people ARE actually persecuted for having beliefs
13:08 matey; im still against that
13:08 matey; atheists seem to not care very much about that, theyre being acting intellectually superior
13:09 matey; busy
13:09 matey; but just like not all christians are to blame for this theocratic horseshit
13:09 matey; not all atheists are pompous twits
13:09 matey; but the ones who are get so old
13:10 matey; smug self-superiority is just as annoying on atheists as it is on christians who say theyll pray for you when you disagree on something
13:10 matey; i wont lie though
13:10 matey; if i see any atheists digging in on christians in the near future
13:10 matey; ill probably just keep walking
13:11 matey; they are not my favourite tribe today
13:12 matey; some people are already past this and trying to build a world where every person is a true individual
13:12 matey; and none of this matters
13:12 matey; i think thats a fine goal, i support that
13:13 TR News; Computer Scientists are not "technophobes"; Computer Scientists know a lot better how computers work and therefore they oppose and object to certain aspects of computers/ing, which the marketing industry brainwashes the "masses" (general population) to not only like but think that it needs.
13:13 matey; we have a ways to go
13:14 matey; pretending we are already there is a sort of naive utopianism i dont subscribe to
13:15 Schestowitz-3; atheists don't really do this
13:15 Schestowitz-3; they don't need to "convert" people
13:15 Schestowitz-3; no financial advantage
13:16 matey; atheists don't really do this <- lol
13:17 TR News; Tories https://www.desmog.com/2022/06/27/climate-denial-funder-set-to-become-tory-peer/ | Source: DeSmog
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13:17 TR Bot; Denial Funder Set to Become Tory Peer - DeSmog
13:17 matey; no financial advantage <- if you can make money on invisible men who are most likely plagiarised from egyptian mythology
13:17 matey; you can make money on anything, including counterarguments
13:18 matey; and as im fond of saying (but not the first) incentive is not always about money
13:18 matey; influence, control, ego, even "fun"
13:18 Schestowitz-3; atheism is an absence of something
13:18 matey; but no incentive? rofl
13:18 Schestowitz-3; I am atheist to Allah
13:18 Schestowitz-3; and atheist to jehovah
13:18 Schestowitz-3; and atheist to jesus
13:18 Schestowitz-3; and atheist to many things
13:18 matey; now you dont even understand your own position
13:19 Schestowitz-3; christians are also atheist to Allah
13:19 matey; atheism falls into two categories
13:19 matey; weak and strong
13:19 matey; weak atheism is practically synonymous with agnosticism
13:19 Schestowitz-3; agnostic = I don't know
13:19 Schestowitz-3; atheist = it's bollox, I dopnt''c are
13:19 matey; strong atheism is a belief in the absence of something
13:19 matey; "there is no god"
13:19 Schestowitz-3; atheist+ = I need to convince others of my beliefs
13:19 SomeH4x0r; I know a Muslim on digdeeper's chat (matey had been there once), who tries to convert others
13:20 SomeH4x0r; I can try bringing him here if there is any reason to
13:20 matey; atheist+ = I need to convince others of my beliefs <- now youre contradicting yourself
13:20 SomeH4x0r; however, I have no idea what are you talking ago, I just recognize "religion/atheism"
13:20 SomeH4x0r; *talking about
13:20 matey; <Schestowitz-3> atheists don't really do this <Schestowitz-3> they don't need to "convert" people
13:20 Schestowitz-3; some people build an image around atheist as a movement
13:21 Schestowitz-3; like the "four horsemen"
13:21 matey; so there are atheists who try to convert people
13:21 matey; and i really dont have a problem with the fact that people want to argue for a viewpoint
13:21 Schestowitz-3; dawkins could carry on doing his own thig in genetics
13:21 matey; its just that when atheists do that, they often use tactics that are just as ridiculous as the ones they hate from christians
13:22 matey; and i think its funny because THOSE atheists dont even give me peace from the one thing i dislike about christians the most
13:22 matey; which is beating dead horses about absolute bullshit, and shallow meaningless takes on something that can be profound and interesting
13:22 matey; atheism can be beautiful
13:22 matey; people on some kind of atheist crusade dont have time to be interesting-- theyre busy being right
13:23 matey; same as the crusader christians
13:23 matey; who are pretty much at the top of my shitlist today
13:23 matey; i havent been this annoyed with them since the 2000 erection
13:24 matey; and that worked out SO well
13:26 TR News; Gulag Drive https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/dangerous-ruling-says-if-someone-goes-onto-your-openly-shared-google-drive-you-can-sue-them-for-unauthorized-access/ | Source: Techdirt
13:26 TR Bot; Ruling Says If Someone Goes Onto Your Openly Shared Google Drive, You Can Sue Them For Unauthorized Access | Techdirt
13:27 matey; there is one thing ill give the christians though
13:27 matey; imo it would have been smarter than what happened
13:27 matey; maybe helped prevent what happened recently
13:28 matey; if the feds are going to mandate RIGHTS for procedures that go against christian beliefs
13:28 matey; maybe-- MAYBE there should have been some way to make it so you get a tax refund
13:28 matey; on any money that helps fund abortions, contraception, that sort of thing
13:28 matey; the rights should be mandated
13:29 matey; but maybe telling peopel to pay for things they dont believe in shouldnt
13:29 matey; of course thats a huge slippery slope and thats why maybe its an awful idea
13:30 matey; but i feel it would be even easier to say "well you dont get to tell other people what to do based on your religion" if they didnt have to also pay for medicine/medical thigns they dont believe in
13:30 matey; it kind of takes one of their arguments away. maybe its worth it, maybe it isnt
13:30 matey; moot now
13:30 matey; something to consider though the next time they mandate basic human rights for people
13:31 matey; that is, make the option something people dont have a "right" to deny people
13:31 matey; we now have permissive abortion laws
13:32 matey; your state CAN allow but they can also take away those rights
13:32 matey; roe v wade was abortionleft
13:32 matey; you didnt have the right to deny people the right
13:36 matey; and ive never considered any government to have jurisdiction over the contents of a womb
13:37 *sp1n (~sp1n@yvwf4zz6dnqky.irc) has joined #techrights
13:40 matey; even though im on the same side of the issue as they are
13:40 matey; if i encounter any pro-choice activists talking about the gpl
13:41 matey; im going to tell them "well, to be fair-- roe v wade WAS Viral"
13:41 TR News; Bastian Best is Still Wrong and Dishonest About Software Patents | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/getting-it-all-wrong-about-software-patents/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/28/getting-it-all-wrong-about-software-patents/
13:41 TR Bot; Bastian Best is Still Wrong and Dishonest About Software Patents | Techrights
13:44 TR News; "bersprungsverhalten" gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-06-28%20Evolution%20of%20a%20map
13:47 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166576
13:47 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
13:52 TR News; Plasma Mobile Gear 22.06 is Out Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166577
13:52 TR Bot; Plasma Mobile Gear 22.06 is Out | Tux Machines
13:53 TR News; Germany https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/germany-says-hell-no-to-eu-proposal-to-outlaw-encryption/ | Source: Techdirt
13:53 TR Bot; Says Hell, No To EU Proposal To Outlaw Encryption | Techdirt
13:53 Schestowitz-3; sp1n: doktor ^^
13:53 Schestowitz-3; might be of interest to you
13:54 TR News; EndeavourOS Artemis is the First ISO with ARM Installation Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166578
13:54 TR Bot; EndeavourOS Artemis is the First ISO with ARM Installation Support | Tux Machines
13:54 sp1n; Schestowitz-3: thanks, not really
13:54 TR News; "trademark application submitted by Ohio State University for using the word the" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/facepalm-uspto-grants-ohio-state-university-trademark-on-the-word-the/ | Source: Techdirt
13:54 TR Bot; USPTO Grants Ohio State University Trademark On The Word The | Techdirt
13:55 MinceR; lol
13:55 sp1n; meanwhile, bundled libtls-bearssl and bearssl; and linked catgirl irc client against those
13:55 sp1n; i noticed however, of cause, statically linked binaries cannot override with LD_PRELOAD to hook into proxychains
13:55 MinceR; duh
13:56 sp1n; so, i keep that dynamically linked
13:56 sp1n; surprisingly, libtls-bearssl transition went smoot
13:56 sp1n; smooth
13:56 TR News; We urge all EPO workers based in Munich to attend tomorrow's protest; its not a waste of time, it sends a strong and effective message http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-munich-protest-2022/
13:56 sp1n; and both catgirl irc client and pounce bounce support it :)
13:56 TR Bot; EPO Protest Tomorrow in Munich | Techrights
13:58 sp1n; just for fun, i'll do something else next... trying to re-integrate qudos quake2 client with softsdl renderer, which is c-only and i can play quake2 then
13:58 sp1n; prboom-plus is back already, only needed to carefully pick some libsdl1 and prboom version, and it's c-only up-to-date
13:59 sp1n; darkplaces, is another one, already fiddled into sse2neon intrinsics while ago, for software-rendering of this
13:59 sp1n; anyway, ssl sucks
14:00 sp1n; long-term, i'll try to follow along with bearssl and libtls-bearssl _only_, and no more libressl or gnutls
14:00 sp1n; with the recent updated breaking pinned certificate matching... that's a no-go, and i am not willing to review and repair this
14:01 sp1n; i mean, pinned certificate matching must not have broken anywhere
14:01 sp1n; that's such a type of crap, surprisingly libressl was involved, although i am not sure who/what was at fault this time
14:11 sp1n; another one i found... since i want to statically compile/link my distro, this will prevent LD_PRELOAD and proxychains/torsocks
14:11 sp1n; however, this one should do the trick: https://darkk.net.ru/redsocks/
14:11 TR Bot; redsocks - transparent socks redirector
14:11 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, CVS says people are panicking and stocking up on Plan B pills now.
14:12 DaemonFC; So they're limiting them to 3 per customer to slow them down.
14:20 matey; /me ignores another german spambot
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14:21 matey; if you change your handle every day, and its not for privacy, you just want to get around individuals filtering you, youre a spambot imo
14:21 matey; /me filters them anwyay
14:22 sp1n; matey: any idea, what changed inside libretls which broke pinned ssl certificate matching?
14:22 TR News; KDE Releases Plasma Mobile Gear 22.06 for Linux Phones, Heres Whats New Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166579
14:22 TR Bot; KDE Releases Plasma Mobile Gear 22.06 for Linux Phones, Heres Whats New | Tux Machines
14:22 TR News; HandBrake: Free Tool for Converting Videos from Any Format Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166580
14:22 TR Bot; HandBrake: Free Tool for Converting Videos from Any Format | Tux Machines
14:23 TR News; KDE Plasma 5.25.2 Released to Improve Flatpak Support, Present Windows Effect Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166581
14:23 TR Bot; KDE Plasma 5.25.2 Released to Improve Flatpak Support, Present Windows Effect | Tux Machines
14:23 TR News; How to troubleshoot SELinux policy violations | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/diagnose-selinux-violations Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux
14:23 TR Bot; How to troubleshoot SELinux policy violations | Enable Sysadmin
14:25 TR News; Buzzword slingers https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/what-defines-high-performing-it-team-cios-speak
14:25 TR Bot; What defines a high-performing IT team? 5 CIOs speak out | The Enterprisers Project
14:25 TR News; Clown computing nonsense or the false dichotomy of outsourcing https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/moving-cloud-workloads
14:25 TR Bot; Moving cloud workloads: 4 essential strategies | The Enterprisers Project
14:26 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, My landlord laughed and said that when they were setting up their account on those websites years back, it was 102 that was open.
14:26 DaemonFC; So now whenever they have units here, it lists them as 102 on the site.
14:26 Schestowitz-3; phew
14:27 DaemonFC; He said he does have two units in the building open, but they're 202 and one over on the other side of the building.
14:27 TR News; Cross-site scripting: Explanation and prevention with Go | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/06/28/cross-site-scripting-explanation-and-prevention-go The problem is the Web itself and what it is allowing to do
14:27 TR Bot; Cross-site scripting: Explanation and prevention with Go | Red Hat Developer
14:28 TR News; Facebook censors posts about#HowTo get abortion pills. Allows posts about illegally transferring guns and marijuana. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/28/facebook-censors-posts-about-how-to-get-abortion-pills-allows-posts-about-illegally-transferring-guns-and-marijuana/ Source: baronhk
14:28 TR Bot; Facebook censors posts about how to get abortion pills. Allows posts about illegally transferring guns and marijuana. BaronHK's Rants
14:29 TR News; Outreachy Interns introduction May to August 2022 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/outreachy-interns-introduction-may-2022/ Source: fedoraproject
14:29 TR Bot; Outreachy Interns introduction May to August 2022 Fedora Community Blog
14:32 Schestowitz-3; XRevan86: is that connected to thee photos?
14:33 Schestowitz-3; *these
14:33 Schestowitz-3; Volodymyr Zelenskyy said there were more than 1,000 people inside the shopping center at the time of the attack." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/27/scores-feared-dead-and-wounded-russian-missiles-hit-ukraine-shopping-center
14:33 TR Bot; Scores Feared Dead and Wounded as Russian Missiles Hit Ukraine Shopping Center
14:34 TR News; Fedora Family / RedHat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166582
14:34 TR Bot; Fedora Family / RedHat Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:35 SomeH4x0r; there are two bans on the channel, for PyLink
14:35 SomeH4x0r; are they still relevant?
14:37 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/27/1103479722/as-states-ban-abortion-californians-open-their-arms-and-wallets
14:37 TR Bot; Californian volunteer networks get ready for influx of patients seeking abortion : Shots - Health News : NPR
14:37 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, People have to be careful about talking about abortion on Facebook now.
14:37 DaemonFC; Californian Lee Mitchell posted a message on Facebook, written in code:
14:37 DaemonFC; "If you are a person who suddenly finds yourself with a need to go camping in another state friendly towards camping, just know that I will happily drive you, support you, and not talk about the camping trip to anyone ever."
14:37 Schestowitz-3; SomeH4x0r: they are in 2 other channels now
14:38 Schestowitz-3; you can join #spam and #qemu
14:38 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, It should not be dangerous to talk about abortion.
14:39 DaemonFC; Facebook lets Nazi groups do whatever they hell they want and places your account on a 3 day suspension for saying you can get an abortion over in Illinois.
14:40 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Are people ever going to see Fakebook and Shitter for what they really are?
14:40 DaemonFC; What does it take?
14:40 TR News; SCOTUS https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/27/looming-us-supreme-court-climate-decision-could-doom-hope-livable-future | Source: Common Dreams
14:40 TR Bot; Looming US Supreme Court Climate Decision Could 'Doom' Hope for Livable Future
14:40 MinceR; extinction
14:40 DaemonFC; Matthew J Gulag is on Shitter.
14:40 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: yes, BUT
14:40 Schestowitz-3; it got worse
14:40 Schestowitz-3; you say it like,
14:41 sp1n; aren't there condoms available for sale in USA everywhere?
14:41 Schestowitz-3; people "woke up"
14:41 Schestowitz-3; it actually got worse
14:41 DaemonFC; It's a good thing that mjg59_ is on Twitter instead of somewhere where it would be easier for people to walk in and accidentally read his posts.
14:41 DaemonFC; They push people to get an account and hide your conversations from them if they don't, and it's not worth getting an account to read people like him.
14:41 DaemonFC; <sp1n> aren't there condoms available for sale in USA everywhere?
14:42 sp1n; this entire discussion, was mostly obsolete, if the feminist gaga gang promoted condoms instead of abortions
14:42 MinceR; i thought condoms were heresy?
14:42 DaemonFC; You can buy condoms if you have money for condoms, yeah.
14:42 MinceR; every sperm being sacred and all
14:42 DaemonFC; Condoms are hardly perfect.
14:43 sp1n; sure, yet abortions were perfect or what?
14:43 MinceR; still better than christian fundamentalists
14:43 DaemonFC; They break, they slip. They're not perfect. They just work "most of the time". The reason women are hoarding Plan B is so they can take it every time they have sex now, even if the man uses a condom.
14:43 TR News; SpellBinding: EWORSUH [Wordo: BOTHY] gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-06-28.gmi
14:43 DaemonFC; And, I mean, who can blame them?
14:43 DaemonFC; I don't see Dobbs resulting in more pregnancies.
14:43 Schestowitz-3; not just condoms
14:44 DaemonFC; I see it resulting in women being even more averse to having sex with men now, if they live in a state where getting an abortion will be difficult.
14:44 Schestowitz-3; there are risk factors other than rapes, incest, and young age
14:44 Schestowitz-3; there is also old age
14:44 Schestowitz-3; or hereditary issues, embryos with defects you can spot within months, not weeks
14:44 DaemonFC; I've already seen a lot of women saying they won't have sex with men now until this thing is reversed again.
14:45 DaemonFC; I wouldn't have sex with men if I was a woman living in Texas.
14:45 DaemonFC; It's too dangerous now.
14:45 Schestowitz-3; it's worse than you put it
14:45 Schestowitz-3; it impacts married couples too
14:45 DaemonFC; If you accidentally get pregnant and don't have a reliable car to get to Illinois with, can't do anything about it.
14:45 Schestowitz-3; sex-starved men will resort to rape
14:45 sp1n; Schestowitz-3: for this exceptions exist, if birth of a child would harm health of mother and/or child then abortions are possible
14:45 DaemonFC; Yes, it will make the Incel problem even worse, Schestowitz-3
14:45 Schestowitz-3; you let the US taliban turn the US into Afghanistan
14:46 DaemonFC; I didn't let them do anything.
14:46 DaemonFC; It's not like anyone asked me who should be on the Supreme Court.
14:46 MinceR; 28 154549 < sp1n> Schestowitz-3: for this exceptions exist, if birth of a child would harm health of mother and/or child then abortions are possible
14:46 Schestowitz-3; sp1n: maybe for now
14:46 MinceR; depends on the jurisdiction
14:46 Schestowitz-3; it's a first step
14:46 Schestowitz-3; then 2 months before one
14:46 Schestowitz-3; and then 0
14:46 Schestowitz-3; with no exxceptions
14:46 MinceR; and yeah, the bible-humpers are working hard to eliminate such exceptions
14:46 Schestowitz-3; and abortion clinicss get banned
14:46 MinceR; because every sperm is sacred
14:47 MinceR; welcome to the New Dark Ages
14:47 DaemonFC; Pretty soon a trip to Illinois is off the table.
14:47 Schestowitz-3; (mincer looks for monty python vieo)0
14:47 sp1n; this isn't what sceptics argue MinceR
14:47 DaemonFC; Then you have to be able to afford a trip to Canada.
14:47 MinceR; no need to look for it, i have it bookmarked
14:47 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ
14:47 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ
14:47 Schestowitz-3; you ghve them an inch, they take a mile
14:47 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ )
14:47 sp1n; advertising for abortions is illegal still, in germany at least
14:48 MinceR; sp1n: "sceptics" is not a homogenous bloc
14:48 DaemonFC; It's not illegal to advertise abortions in Illinois.
14:48 Schestowitz-3; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ
14:48 TR Bot; Every Sperm is Sacred - Complete - Invidious
14:48 sp1n; and women must consult an authorized psychologist/medic before abortion
14:48 DaemonFC; You don't have to consult anyone in Illinois before an abortion.
14:48 DaemonFC; You walk in and get one the same afternoon.
14:48 sp1n; often, those medics women consult, are authorized by the church even
14:49 TR News; "smart" https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/odd-inputs-and-peculiar-peripherals-roendi-smart-knob-thinks-outside-the-box/ | Source: Hackaday
14:49 TR Bot; Inputs And Peculiar Peripherals: RoenDi Smart Knob Thinks Outside The Box | Hackaday
14:49 MinceR; yay
14:49 sp1n; and the majority of abortions are conducted, within the legal and organizational framework of this mandatory consultation
14:49 MinceR; oversight of the medical profession by an anti-science cult
14:49 DaemonFC; The states are basically turning into different countries, de facto, due to the Supreme Court.
14:49 MinceR; that's so important to have.
14:49 DaemonFC; The last time this happened, the Civil War eventually broke out.
14:50 DaemonFC; Because major differences make people hate each other more.
14:50 sp1n; what is illegal still: advertising abortions; with some red lines not to be crossed
14:50 MinceR; i'm guessing you have the Christian Fundamentalist Union to thank for such rules in germany
14:51 sp1n; i do not trust the christian conservatives in germany
14:51 DaemonFC; The Supreme Court should just go ahead and declare the US Constitution unconstitutional.
14:51 Schestowitz-3; germany: wolfenstein illegal; drone strikes legal
14:51 DaemonFC; They can revive the Articles of Confederation.
14:51 matey; sex-starved men will resort to rape <- i wish roy knew anything about things like this
14:51 matey; rape isnt typically about sex, its about violence
14:51 matey; nothing to do with "sex starved men"
14:51 MinceR; i do not trust any "conservatives"
14:51 DaemonFC; It's about power.
14:52 Schestowitz-3; you would be wrong
14:52 DaemonFC; I don't know why you'd rape someone if you just wanted sex.
14:52 matey; you would be wrong <- read a book and come back to it
14:52 Schestowitz-3; you speak of "violent rape"
14:52 MinceR; i have yet to hear any of them excommunicate fideath or PiS for turning republics into dictatorships
14:52 DaemonFC; There's always someone to have sex with, even if it's off some sketchy app, or if you resort to paying money for it.
14:52 matey; before you look more stupid
14:52 MinceR; "conservatism" is cancer
14:52 Schestowitz-3; like "man snags women into the bushes"
14:52 Schestowitz-3; not the date rape
14:52 Schestowitz-3; or relationship without consent rape
14:53 matey; sex starved men isnt the primary factor in rape
14:53 matey; at all
14:53 DaemonFC; I've never raped anyone. I have used hookup apps, websites, chatrooms as they were not intended (Yahoo).
14:54 DaemonFC; It's not exactly "wrong" to not want to be in a relationship to have meaningless sex, that's just a fact of living in modern society.
14:54 DaemonFC; Life is too complicated sometimes to want to stop and deal with someone else's baggage.
14:55 DaemonFC; To be married to someone, your interests have to be aligned in a certain way.
14:56 DaemonFC; And many people who get married even, find out it was a huge mistake and it will end up costing them dearly in divorce court later.
14:56 MinceR; except in the case of arranged marriages
14:56 MinceR; in which case your interests are ignored
14:56 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: not applicable to gay couples, but..
14:56 DaemonFC; Well, I mean in a "free" country.
14:56 DaemonFC; <Schestowitz-3> DaemonFC: not applicable to gay couples, but..
14:56 DaemonFC; What isn't?
14:56 Schestowitz-3; without abortion in the state, such "apps" and forums would repel women
14:56 Schestowitz-3; and maybe men too
14:56 MinceR; there are different degrees of "free"
14:56 matey; Widespread and systematic rape (e.g., war rape) and sexual slavery can occur during international conflict. These practices are crimes against humanity and war crimes. Rape is also recognized as an element of the crime of genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape
14:56 TR Bot; Rape - Wikipedia
14:57 DaemonFC; <Schestowitz-3> without abortion in the state, such "apps" and forums would repel women
14:57 *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights
14:57 Schestowitz-3; men also don't wan to be forced to be parents with a stranger
14:57 DaemonFC; Yeah, as well it should.
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14:57 matey; even the (appearance of) prohibition of gay sex in the bible is actually about conquest rape.
14:57 DaemonFC; Clinics are now seeing the phones ringing off the hooks with people wanting vasectomies and tubal ligations, Schestowitz-3
14:57 DaemonFC; They said they've never seen anything like it before.
14:57 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape#Motives
14:57 TR Bot; Rape - Wikipedia
14:57 DaemonFC; Even in states that have abortion as a right in the law.
14:58 matey; beliefs in family honor and sexual purity;
14:58 matey; attitudes of male sexual entitlement;
14:58 matey; weak legal sanctions for sexual violence.
14:58 MinceR; 28 155719 < matey> even the (appearance of) prohibition of gay sex in the bible is actually about conquest rape.
14:58 MinceR; you'd think a writing written or inspired by an omniscient being could be clear about such things
14:58 DaemonFC; People have responded to the Dobbs ruling with a full blown panic.
14:58 DaemonFC; Even in states where they aren't in any immediate danger.
14:58 matey; <MinceR> 28 155719 < matey> even the (appearance of) prohibition of gay sex in the bible is actually about conquest rape. <- that one is a bit esoteric and hard to prove
14:58 MinceR; i guess bronze-age savages can't even invent a god worth anything.
14:58 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: US is gonna lose a lot ogf "balls"
14:58 matey; well to be fair, the god of abraham wasnt THAT original
14:58 Schestowitz-3; 2022: the year USA lost its balls... or tubes
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
14:59 matey; 2022: the year USA lost its balls <- god youre an idiot
14:59 matey; No single facet explains the motivation for rape; the underlying motives of rapists can be multi-faceted. Several factors have been proposed: anger,[48] power,[49] sadism, sexual gratification, or evolutionary proclivities.[50][51] However, some factors have significant causal evidence supporting them.
14:59 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Well, the thinking is that if the abortion ruling is going to stick, the state can't force you to carry a pregnancy if you can't get pregnant at all, ever.
14:59 matey; American clinical psychologist David Lisak, co-author of a 2002 study of undetected rapists,[52] says that compared with non-rapists, both undetected and convicted rapists are measurably more angry at women and more motivated by a desire to dominate and control them
14:59 DaemonFC; So that's what people are doing now.
14:59 matey; its not about sex starved men.
15:00 matey; its more to do with abuse.
15:00 DaemonFC; A vasectomy doesn't remove your testicles.
15:00 Schestowitz-3; a lot of rape happens within relationship
15:00 XRevan86; Schestowitz-Tr3: Yes, that's exactly what this is about.
15:00 Schestowitz-3; like one partner does not want it
15:01 sp1n; Schestowitz-3: good point
15:01 matey; again, all youre doing is proving what a moron you are.
15:01 Schestowitz-3; Despatche: I know
15:01 Schestowitz-3; that's why I said tubes
15:01 matey; please, continue.
15:01 XRevan86; Schestowitz-Tr3: The current estimation is 18 people killed.
15:01 DaemonFC; I messed around with someone who had a vasectomy. You can't really tell that there's any difference. Sneak: 100
15:02 sp1n; most violence and abuse occurs within relationships... David Lisak
15:02 DaemonFC; He said he was bisexual and he didn't want any bastard kids running around and women dragging him into court demanding payments.
15:02 sp1n; i mean, what an expert he is, anger at women sufficed
15:03 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, If I was straight, I'd get a vasectomy. In fact, it would have been done when I was 18.
15:04 DaemonFC; The peace of mind of knowing you won't have any mistakes that drag you even deeper into poverty is totally worth it.
15:04 Schestowitz-3; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VjUhBEqwVhA
15:04 TR Bot; HOME IMPROVEMENT Tim gets a vasectomy - Invidious
15:05 Schestowitz-3; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8CluEqKSyKc
15:05 TR Bot; HOME IMPROVEMENT Jill wants Tim to get a vasectomy - Invidious
15:05 Schestowitz-3; full ep: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vA3UPBAprh8
15:05 TR Bot; Home Improvement S05E16 The Vasectomy One - Invidious
15:05 matey; the office one was better
15:06 matey; i wanted to say al bundy but i think that was a circumcision.
15:06 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, The federal poverty line is already a complete misrepresentation.
15:06 DaemonFC; You need twice as much money for any given household size to not be in poverty.
15:06 DaemonFC; They just set it low to make it look like less people are poor.
15:07 DaemonFC; The government barely uses it.
15:07 DaemonFC; They always say 200% of the FPL or 300% or 500%.
15:07 DaemonFC; For the programs for low income people.
15:07 DaemonFC; That's kind of a tell that it's not real.
15:08 DaemonFC; When all the programs admit you need two, three, or five times that much to actually eek out some sort of existence.
15:08 TR News; Science-based medicine (SBM) https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/06/27/sbm-isnt-so-great-when-you-cant-afford-it/ | Source: Orac
15:08 TR Bot; SBM isn't so great when you can't afford it - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE
15:09 TR News; Whistleblowers https://thedissenter.org/supreme-court-may-take/ | Source: The Dissenter
15:09 TR Bot; US Supreme Court Could Go After Whistleblower Law
15:10 matey; there was a show where a female partner had the guy have a vasectomy
15:10 Schestowitz-3; Jill and Tim
15:10 matey; i want to say it was mad about you, but i keep thinking of jan and michael on the office
15:10 Schestowitz-3; Home Improvement
15:10 DaemonFC; It is a lot cheaper and less dangerous to get a vasectomy.
15:10 matey; was it actually?
15:11 DaemonFC; You can get a vasectomy for a little over $1,000 I think.
15:11 DaemonFC; It's outpatient. Even if your insurance won't cover it, that's a good investment.
15:11 matey; youve been wrong about everything else today, you deserve to be right about this one.
15:11 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: DIY "vasectomy kits"
15:11 Schestowitz-3; from GAFAM
15:12 Schestowitz-3; Amazon: buyer also likes...
15:12 matey; jill and tim had a very mad-about-you-like dynamic
15:12 matey; the guy was a loveable dope and the woman actually gave a shit, but with long suffering and a bit of sarcasm
15:13 matey; not to the point of man-hating or anything
15:13 Schestowitz-3; the Neighbou Wilson
15:13 Schestowitz-3; was the wise one
15:13 Schestowitz-3; man-bashing is SImpsons
15:13 matey; pauls neighbour on mad about you was actually kramer from seinfeld
15:14 matey; man-bashing is SImpsons <- marge loved homer, homer was a really shit husband and father
15:14 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, I'll tell you how hard it is for women to get by. When Gonad the Barbarian's daughter started having kids at age 15, first she stuck him with one. Then by the time she was 20, she had managed to pop out two more. She alternated between jail and the welfare office, and mostly just took up space. Eventually, Gonad told her to get a tubal ligation and he'd pay for it because he was terrified she'd have more and they'd be
15:14 DaemonFC; his problem. So he took her to an OB-GYN, who told her that he wouldn't give her one until she was 21 because she might decide she wanted more, so he was biting his fingernails until she turned 21 that there wouldn't be more, and then she got a tubal ligation from that doctor. When men want something, it happens the same day, no questions asked.
15:14 matey; lisa loved him too
15:14 matey; simpsons wasnt a man-bashing show
15:14 matey; homer was just an idiot
15:15 matey; it was pretty clear too that it was about him, not men in general
15:15 DaemonFC; She didn't want the three she'd already had, she was just too much of a stupid piece of trash to tell men no, make them wear a condom, or go get some pills.
15:15 DaemonFC; So out they kept coming all the way up to Gonad dragging her by the ear to get sterilized.
15:17 Schestowitz-3; matey: bart too was portrayed as dumb and oirresponsible
15:17 matey; bart had no decent father figure in his life
15:17 DaemonFC; The part of the story that bothered me, and always has, is there's lots of doctors that refuse to perform tubal ligations and tell women they'll change their mind later "when the right man comes around", but a guy walks in there and asks for the same thing basically, and the doctor tells them "Okay, get on the table and pull your pants down.".
15:17 matey; if it had been a man-bashing show, marge would have taken bart and raised him properly without homer
15:17 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: the problem started with gonad having kids
15:18 Schestowitz-3; he too had far too many
15:18 Schestowitz-3; and abused wives
15:18 matey; theres a difference between portraying a dysfunctional family and man-bashing
15:18 Schestowitz-3; Was his real name Steve?
15:18 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, He had, I think, 9 grandchildren and two great-grandchildren when he died, and he was only 59!
15:18 DaemonFC; Gonad = Brian
15:18 DaemonFC; Life of Brian
15:18 matey; bart wasnt portrayed as dumb
15:18 matey; he was an underachiever in school, mostly due to acting out
15:19 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Trash from Ireland by way of a couple hundred years in Kentucky followed by a detour to Indiana.
15:19 Schestowitz-3; bart's voice was a lady
15:19 DaemonFC; What else can you expect? He was drunk, fucking the wives, abusing the wives.
15:19 DaemonFC; Irish Irish Irish
15:19 DaemonFC; :P
15:20 matey; nelson the school bully was portrayed as dumb
15:20 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: you can be a great-grandpa at 45
15:20 matey; bart's voice was a lady <- so was rocky squirrels
15:20 Schestowitz-3; without even stretching it as far as possible
15:20 matey; when youre portraying a 7 or 8 year old boy, female voice actors arent uncommon
15:20 DaemonFC; I don't know what the hell it is with the Irish, but even two hundred years later in some other country, they're still drunk and having dumb kids and getting into brawls.
15:20 Schestowitz-3; maybe 37 is as far as you gcan push it
15:21 matey; i swear youre just throwing out random things to see if any support your point
15:21 DaemonFC; <Schestowitz-3> maybe 37 is as far as you gcan push it
15:21 DaemonFC; You know, you never stop and think about how you're getting older, but they aren't.
15:22 DaemonFC; Until it stops.
15:22 DaemonFC; If I was straight, the "dirty old man" thing would just be a given. Old men ogling or messing around with 18, 20, 25 year olds is just expected.
15:22 Schestowitz-3; matey: casting and voice can be done by kids
15:22 Schestowitz-3; they just need to read things
15:23 DaemonFC; But when you're gay people look down on you twice for doing the same thing.
15:23 DaemonFC; Literally the same exact thing.
15:23 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: it's legalised fully
15:23 Schestowitz-3; it's called prostitution
15:23 Schestowitz-3; and any random 80 year old get book an 18 yo afaik
15:23 Schestowitz-3; and some do
15:23 matey; barts guilt was actually voiced by patton oswalt
15:24 DaemonFC; Oh I didn't have to pay anyone.
15:24 Schestowitz-3; lots of links (news) today about abortion
15:24 Schestowitz-3; I post that in -social
15:24 DaemonFC; But when they started saying things like "I really like older men." or "Wow, love the dad bod." it started making me uneasy. I was like "Yeah, can we not go there?".
15:24 Schestowitz-3; seems like ther ukraine war will escalte further
15:24 matey; whats interesting about patton oswalt being the only person to voice bart besides nancy cartwright
15:24 Schestowitz-3; not end
15:25 matey; is that cartwright is a scientologist, and the best known role for oswalt was on king of queens opposite lea h remini (a scientologist)
15:25 matey; i dont know if HE is one also, but that would at least explain the connection
15:25 matey; other than that, its probably a coincidence
15:25 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Facebook censors it heavily now.
15:25 DaemonFC; It's not illegal to talk about abortion.
15:25 DaemonFC; It's not illegal to say it's still legal some places.
15:26 DaemonFC; But they censor it all and mass ban people for saying that.
15:26 matey; lots of links (news) today about abortion <- not too surprising
15:26 matey; theres probably even a couple about ukraine
15:26 MinceR; if people had a clue, they wouldn't be using dumbFuckBook
15:26 matey; if people had a clue, they wouldn't be using dumbFuckBook <- i agree 99%
15:27 matey; fb isnt pointless, its just so fuck awful that they should treat it like the dumpster fire it really is
15:27 matey; also fb helped trump get in afaik
15:27 matey; which helped the scotus people get in
15:27 matey; which helped overturn roe v wade
15:27 matey; so be sure to thank mark zuckerberg for sending more women to back alley butchers
15:27 matey; the predictable outcome of this
15:28 MinceR; yup
15:28 matey; maybe in a few decades someone will say "my mother died when i was 3" and they wont know they can thank mark zuckerberg for it
15:28 MinceR; maybe in a few decades humanity will be extinct
15:28 MinceR; here's hoping
15:29 matey; im hoping that mark zuckerberg goes out like michael hutchence
15:29 matey; though michael hutchence i never disliked
15:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-28.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
15:30 TR News; "Marsys Law" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/victims-rights-laws-abused-again-to-hide-identities-of-officers-who-killed-someone/ | Source: Techdirt
15:30 TR Bot; Rights Laws Abused Again To Hide Identities Of Officers Who Killed Someone | Techdirt
15:30 matey; sadly i cant listen to "new sensation" with a straight face now.
15:30 TR News; The copyright cartel https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/copyright-has-failed-for-game-streaming-so-alternatives-have-emerged/ | Source: Techdirt
15:30 TR Bot; Has Failed For Game Streaming, So Alternatives Have Emerged | Techdirt
15:30 matey; though he had it worse
15:30 DaemonFC; https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/691960628369424394/991349911700389988/Screenshot_2022-06-28_at_09-30-00_WGN_TV_Facebook.png?width=524&height=626
15:31 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^ One of mine.
15:31 matey; "one of my kind" still works and "devil inside" just sounds prophetic
15:31 MinceR; lol
15:32 matey; sort of like "lithium" for kurt cobain
15:36 XRevan86; Schestowitz-3: "seems like ther ukraine war will escalte further" <- Correct.
15:38 DaemonFC; They're dropping in Russian prisoners and conscripts that have had 3 days training.
15:38 DaemonFC; It takes more firearms training to get an Illinois gun permit than those Russian soldiers have been through.
15:38 DaemonFC; Putin's not sending their best.
15:39 sp1n; in former Yugoslavia former prisoners were released onto battlefield too
15:39 MinceR; maybe those are their best
15:39 sp1n; for "dirty work", had seen a documentary about it
15:39 matey; i was always partial to "one of my kind" really
15:39 DaemonFC; <MinceR> maybe those are their best
15:39 matey; new sensation is too poppy (and now ironic)
15:39 matey; devil inside is great though
15:39 XRevan86; MinceR: No, the point is that there training is barely there for the reservists.
15:39 DaemonFC; The fact that Putin resorts to terrorist attacks against shopping malls says everything.
15:40 DaemonFC; He's really pissed off about the way things are going.
15:40 MinceR; he already resorted to nuclear terrorism
15:40 matey; lithium of course, was a song cobain allegedly wrote about how he was dating a complete psycho at the time and how killing himself would be better than living on the same planet as her
15:40 matey; but you know how it goes with lyric interpretations
15:41 matey; someday maybe we can compile a whole album of songs by people who dated courtney love and killed themselves after
15:41 MinceR; his goons messed around near chornobyl, causing a spike in nuclear radiation, then set a building on fire in the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant
15:41 matey; steve coogan survived!
15:41 XRevan86; I wouldn't say with confidence that the mall was the target, it's entirely possible it wasn't. But my mindset is that they know these things happen, and they're willing to take that risk.
15:41 MinceR; they don't care
15:41 MinceR; they're barbarians
15:42 MinceR; and they should be stopped
15:42 matey; /me thinks they were aiming directly for their own credibility
15:42 XRevan86; matey: Can't destroy was has already been destroyed months in advance.
15:42 matey; of which they had none, but you know how sophisticated weapons are these days
15:43 matey; Can't destroy was has already been destroyed <- maybe their weapons systems found a remaining shred and took it out
15:43 XRevan86; Ah, I misunderstood.
15:43 MinceR; not the orcish weapons in actual use, though
15:43 matey; lucky shot?
15:43 XRevan86; matey: The accuracy is infamous at this point actually.
15:43 MinceR; the advanced ones they like to brag about exist maybe in a few copies they can take to exhibitions
15:44 XRevan86; They miss a lot.
15:44 matey; IF i were a conspiracy theorist
15:44 matey; but more about that in a moment...
15:44 matey; i would say they didnt mean to hit near there, and someone else either made it look like they did to start further engagement in...
15:44 matey; but
15:44 matey; thats exactly the sort of thing their own government would say
15:45 matey; and im hardly going to sympathise with that kind of crap
15:45 matey; it DOES happen of course
15:45 matey; like when russia themselves did that to get into ukraine in the first place
15:45 matey; or germany with the reichstag
15:45 matey; america with pearl harbor (very possibly)
15:45 matey; etc etc etc
15:45 XRevan86; matey: It's O.K. to not have answers for some things.
15:45 matey; oh yeah
15:45 matey; but its also fun to guess
15:46 sp1n; ironically, ukraine and zelensky lost my sympathy because of the allies they got here in german politics
15:46 matey; besides, these sorts of things encourage guessing
15:46 XRevan86; sp1n: Hi activelow.
15:46 sp1n; because, i do not know ukraine internal politics, i do know who those allies are, of zlensky
15:46 sp1n; greetings XRevan86 !
15:46 XRevan86; Is it a new nickname every day?
15:47 matey; more than one per day :/
15:47 sp1n; whenever i restart the irc client
15:47 MinceR; wow, ukraine and zelensky doesn't have a ruscist's sympathy?
15:47 matey; i think hes figured out that the only people who cared about his work here have given up
15:47 MinceR; https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/431/201/40f.png
15:47 matey; and maybe if he gives himself 11 more chances to make his argument he will win them back
15:47 MinceR; what's next, jews and poles not having hitler's sympathy?
15:47 XRevan86; sp1n: And the AfD folk don't bother you then?
15:48 MinceR; he's a ruscist, he's on the same platform as afd
15:48 sp1n; XRevan86: i watched various party convents recently, and the AfD one was the least annoying
15:48 matey; i keep ignoring him
15:48 matey; but if i see him come in under a different name i just mock him
15:48 matey; mocking nazis isnt something i get many chances to do
15:48 MinceR; :>
15:48 matey; i havent met many
15:49 XRevan86; sp1n: Looks very differently from over here.
15:49 matey; we did have a cross burned on our yard once, but i think it was just a couple of drunk arseholes
15:49 matey; i dont think they even know which house it was
15:50 MinceR; lol
15:50 MinceR; what does cross burning even mean?
15:50 matey; youd think it would be terrifying, but here are a couple of dicks who can barely manage to put a couple of 2x4s on the ground, and barely manage to set it on fire
15:50 matey; i mean
15:50 matey; a 5 year old white supremacist who was at least sober could have done better
15:51 TR News; NVIDIA 515.57 Released with Better NvFBC Direct Capture Support, Vulkan Fixes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166583
15:51 TR Bot; NVIDIA 515.57 Released with Better NvFBC Direct Capture Support, Vulkan Fixes | Tux Machines
15:53 TR News; Fascists https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/27/hedges-fascists-in-our-midst/ | Source: Scheerpost
15:53 TR Bot; Fascists in Our Midst scheerpost.com
15:54 matey; what does cross burning even mean? <- it means they mixed up the book of exodus with matthew mark and luke
15:54 MinceR; lol
15:57 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/othercheek.gif ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-othercheek#comic )
15:57 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
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15:58 TR News; "Czech file-sharing and hosting platform Ulo.to must block searches and downloads related to six movies" https://torrentfreak.com/supreme-court-file-sharing-platform-must-block-search-terms-to-stop-piracy-220627/ | Source: Torrent Freak
15:58 TR Bot; Court: File-Sharing Platform Must Block Search Terms to Stop Piracy * TorrentFreak
15:58 TR News; "former Megaupload executives Mathias Ortmannformer Megaupload executives Mathias Ortmann" https://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-pair-convicted-the-specific-crimes-they-admitted-in-detail-220627/ | Source: Torrent Freak
15:58 TR Bot; Pair Convicted: The Specific Crimes They Admitted in Detail * TorrentFreak
15:58 matey; so the alt-right did their redneck version of the boston tea party
15:58 matey; then more recently they went dressed up as the villiage people
15:58 matey; i think next they should be the rebel fleet from star wars
15:59 MinceR; :>
15:59 matey; esr can dress as chewbacca
15:59 matey; if he doesnt already
16:00 DaemonFC; https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/investing/bed-bath--beyond-sales-decline/index.html
16:00 TR Bot; accuse Bed Bath & Beyond of turning off AC in stores to save money as sales plummet | CNN Business
16:00 DaemonFC; Walmart did this already.
16:01 DaemonFC; It's hotter than hell in there.
16:02 DaemonFC; "Still, analysts at Bank of America who have conducted store visits report mounting concerns, including labor hours that have been meaningfully cut, scaled back utilities, reduced store operating hours and canceled remodeling projects. Rewards programs have also been scaled back and replaced. The analysts expect Bed Bath & Beyond's management will soon announce more store closures and halt openings of its Buy Buy Baby stores."
16:02 DaemonFC; Buy Buy Baby? What a horrible store name. That's up there with the clothing store Once Upon a Child.
16:02 MinceR; :>
16:03 DaemonFC; MinceR, Many companies filing bankruptcy change their name.
16:03 DaemonFC; Bye Bye Buy Buy Baby?
16:03 MinceR; Goo Goo Goo Goo
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16:04 TR News; "At the risk of dating myself, I will tell you that grew up in the 80s that decade of excess that was half drab and half brightly colored" https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/teardown-kc-bearifone-could-talk-circles-around-teddy-ruxpin/ | Source: Hackaday
16:04 TR Bot; KC Bearifone Could Talk Circles Around Teddy Ruxpin | Hackaday
16:04 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: that's a 90s song
16:06 TR News; Assange https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/27/the-media-celebrated-julian-assange-and-is-now-too-afraid-to-defend-him/ | Source: Counter Punch
16:06 TR Bot; Media Celebrated Julian Assange and is Now Too Afraid to Defend Him - CounterPunch.org
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16:09 TR News; "Raspberry Pi CM4-powered motherboard for the original iPad." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/hackaday-prize-2022-a-cm4-upgade-for-your-old-ipad/ | Source: Hackaday
16:09 TR Bot; Prize 2022: A CM4 Upgrade For Your Old IPad | Hackaday
16:10 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Eo-KmOd3i7s
16:10 TR Bot; *NSYNC - Bye Bye Bye (Official Music Video) - Invidious
16:10 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, I can see why there's a bad outlook on the baby stores.
16:10 DaemonFC; They're collapsing.
16:10 Schestowitz-3; Older: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Eo-KmOd3i7s
16:10 DaemonFC; Toys R Us went under years ago, and so did their Babies R Us stores.
16:10 MinceR; isn't that the same link?
16:10 Schestowitz-3; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zVxAj-Mis6o
16:10 TR Bot; Bay City Rollers - Bye Bye Baby (1975) TopPop - Invidious
16:10 Schestowitz-3; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=C27NShgTQE4
16:10 TR Bot; *NSYNC - Bye Bye Bye (Audio) - Invidious
16:11 DaemonFC; Few people have kids. Even fewer have money to buy them anything decent.
16:11 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNWioCzV7GU
16:11 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=xNWioCzV7GU
16:11 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=xNWioCzV7GU )
16:11 MinceR; "decent" is not something humanity is interested in producing anyway
16:11 MinceR; "overpriced shit" is more up our species' alley
16:11 TR News; Impala Platinum mine https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/27/thousands-of-workers-on-strike-at-south-africas-impala-platinum-mines/ | Source: Scheerpost
16:11 TR Bot; of Workers on Strike at South Africas Impala Platinum Mines scheerpost.com
16:11 matey; it should cost 5 cents
16:11 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, All you can do with your household budget is sit at home getting angrier every minute.
16:11 DaemonFC; The Democrats have done a bang up job.
16:12 DaemonFC; Roe v. Wade was struck down huh?
16:12 Schestowitz-3; did they stand a chance?
16:12 DaemonFC; *fundraising intensifies*
16:13 TR News; Biden https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/27/infuriating-biden-rebuked-for-continued-opposition-to-supreme-court-expansion/ | Source: Scheerpost
16:13 TR Bot; Biden Rebuked for Continued Opposition to Supreme Court Expansion scheerpost.com
16:13 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: ^^
16:13 Schestowitz-3; focing more couples to have kids
16:13 Schestowitz-3; more kids, more debt
16:13 Schestowitz-3; more consumers
16:13 Schestowitz-3; more workers
16:15 TR News; Jesusland https://truthout.org/articles/supreme-court-protects-public-school-coachs-ability-to-lead-students-in-prayer/ | Source: TruthOut
16:15 TR Bot; Supreme Court Protects Public School Coachs Ability to Lead Students in Prayer
16:15 Schestowitz-3; ^^
16:15 Schestowitz-3; off topic here
16:15 Schestowitz-3; but we went totally offtopic today
16:17 TR News; "Its been a year of anniversaries, what with the 40th birthday of both the Commodore 64 and the Sinclair ZX Spectrum." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/atari-at-50-the-story-of-our-lives/ | Source: Hackaday
16:17 TR Bot; At 50: The Story Of Our Lives | Hackaday
16:17 TR News; "[mircemk] is quite a wizard when it comes to using coils of wires in projects, especially when their application is within easy-to-build metal detectors." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/metal-detector-gets-help-from-smartphone/ | Source: Hackaday
16:17 TR Bot; Detector Gets Help From Smartphone | Hackaday
16:18 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/subway-employee-fatally-shot-over-too-much-mayo-on-sandwich-police-say/
16:18 TR Bot; Subway employee fatally shot over too much mayo on sandwich, police say | WGN-TV
16:18 DaemonFC; "AHHH SAID NO MAYO BIIIIIIIISCH!!!!!!"
16:19 DaemonFC; I want the focus to be the gun violence. And again, it was something very senseless, too much mayo on a sandwich. Yes, its a sandwich, but more importantly, someone who failed to resolve a conflict by just walking away, having a conversation to just reorder a sandwich, decided to take actions into his hands and now we have families who are devastated.
16:19 TR News; Linux on the wrist https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/developing-a-custom-wearos-watch-face/ | Source: Hackaday
16:19 TR Bot; A Custom WearOS Watch Face | Hackaday
16:19 DaemonFC; No mayo, no mugshot.
16:19 DaemonFC; Hmmm.....
16:21 MinceR; i'm sure it was the gun's fault
16:21 MinceR; it apparently always is
16:21 Schestowitz-3; with a rifle he could gun down the whole shop
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16:22 DaemonFC; Coulter's Law
16:22 DaemonFC; The longer the media goes without posting a mugshot, the less likely it is that the suspect was white.
16:22 MinceR; they're perfectly sane, they just happened to have one of these evil mind control devices around that compelled them to shoot
16:22 Schestowitz-3; matey: the guns make killing faster and easier
16:22 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/TpyxaNews/status/1541749627283701760
16:22 TR Bot; English (@TpyxaNews): "The moment of the explosion after the missile attack on the Amstor mall in Kremenchuk."|nitter
16:22 Schestowitz-3; with a knifer you have to be sick in the head to stab again and again
16:23 MinceR; Schestowitz-3: and not being insane fucktards prevents people for killing other people over such things
16:23 Schestowitz-3; and even if yoiu "had a bad day"
16:23 DaemonFC; You have to be sick in the head to shoot a woman with her 5 year old there about mayo on a sandwich, Roy.
16:23 Schestowitz-3; you might not find it easy to dig into the flesh of a begging person
16:23 MinceR; i'm pretty sure i could kill with a single stab, if the knife was big and pointy and sharp enough
16:23 DaemonFC; So he would have just stabbed her to death in front of the kid too, and you know it.
16:24 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, I'm glad we do have laws. Do you know how many times the law is the only reason I haven't killed someone?
16:24 MinceR; but i guess nonfatal injuries from a single stab would be ok in Schestowitz-3's mind
16:24 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: olther people could intervene
16:24 DaemonFC; Like what happens to me after I do this? Okay, I'm not THAT mad.
16:24 Schestowitz-3; after the first stab
16:24 MinceR; lol
16:24 Schestowitz-3; with a chair or table
16:24 MinceR; but it would be impossible to intervene with a gun, strangely enough
16:24 Schestowitz-3; hareder
16:25 Schestowitz-3; you pull it out, shoot, done
16:25 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Let's face it, there's very few people out there who haven't honestly wanted to kill someone.
16:25 Schestowitz-3; or even fire several bullets
16:25 DaemonFC; Who wouldn't be glad that someone died.
16:25 MinceR; while you just walk around with a table in your hand, in case someone needs to be hit
16:25 DaemonFC; And the law, and the consequences are the only reason they don't act on it.
16:25 MinceR; and there's nothing crazy about it
16:25 DaemonFC; Without the law, it would be more of a free for all out there than it already is.
16:25 MinceR; which is great, otherwise we'd have to ban tables.
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16:25 Schestowitz-3; matey: long knives are hard to conceal
16:25 MinceR; lol
16:25 Schestowitz-3; MinceR: I meant
16:26 DaemonFC; And who is to say nobody would have gotten me first?
16:26 DaemonFC; So I'm glad we have laws like that.
16:26 MinceR; so are assault rifles
16:26 MinceR; and non-assault rifles derived from assault rifle designs
16:26 Schestowitz-3; pistols are small
16:26 MinceR; small knives are smaller than pistols
16:26 Schestowitz-3; and not so effective
16:26 DaemonFC; No seriously, like I thought about shooting Gonad and then went "Nah, why bother? Cholesterol will get him.".
16:26 DaemonFC; And it did, didn't it?
16:27 MinceR; so it would have been OK to merely stab them in the eye then?
16:27 DaemonFC; Cholesterol got him. I wonder what it was like sitting at home in front of the TV set, NASCAR on, friends over, eating beer and salted peanuts that he salted again.
16:27 Schestowitz-3; people move their heads
16:27 DaemonFC; Then all of a sudden his heart!
16:27 MinceR; also, if small weapons are OK, why don't we all walk around with poisoned knives or poisoned needles in our pockets?
16:27 DaemonFC; "Oh God, my heart! AAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!"
16:27 Schestowitz-3; it's not like they just lkie down there, hit me in the left rib, man
16:27 Schestowitz-3; aaand "go deep"
16:28 DaemonFC; And then it goes on for 9 minutes and he dies right before the ambulance pulls up.
16:28 MinceR; grab the head with one hand, stab with the other
16:28 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/28/just-in-case-roscosmos-publishes-coordinates-and-satellite-images-of-pentagon-and-nato-hq-prior-to-nato-summit-news "Roscosmos publishes coordinates and satellite images of Pentagon and NATO HQ prior to NATO summit"
16:28 Schestowitz-3; matey: some people did that
16:28 TR Bot; .
16:28 DaemonFC; Worse than anything I could have done to him, and I had nothing to do with it, and I was glad to hear about it though.
16:28 Schestowitz-3; needle in a night club
16:28 XRevan86; Is the right word here "pathetic"?
16:28 MinceR; so, where's the outrage and call to ban needles?
16:28 DaemonFC; MinceR, I sent his widow a letter, btw.
16:29 DaemonFC; I said, "You know, he was laughing about leading the repo man to your car after you got a divorce the first time. I'll bet you didn't know that. Well, you know that now."
16:29 Schestowitz-3; aarsenic for the needle is hard to get
16:29 MinceR; there are plenty of workable poisons for such use
16:29 MinceR; does arsenic even act quickly enough?
16:29 DaemonFC; Eh, nap time. Hopefully I can get some sleep in.
16:29 Schestowitz-3; OK, so go make darks and shoot arrows
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16:30 Schestowitz-3; and tell me that's as dangerous as a riflke
16:30 MinceR; everything is dangerous if it magically compels its owner to attack people for no good reason
16:31 MinceR; even if the compulsion is to attack _with_ the mind control device
16:36 Schestowitz-3; availability of more lethal weapons is still redducedd
16:37 Schestowitz-3; because people looking can kill get less done this way
16:37 MinceR; is it better to cripple people, then?
16:37 MinceR; also, it depends on which people
16:37 Schestowitz-3; *looking to kil
16:37 Schestowitz-3; all people
16:37 MinceR; people who manage to get into the police force can actually kill more people this way
16:37 Schestowitz-3; even cops
16:37 Schestowitz-3; lessen their powers
16:38 MinceR; all anti-gun people are trying to accomplish is disarm the population while leaving the most dangerous people just as armed as before
16:40 Schestowitz-3; they aren not antigun absolutists
16:40 Schestowitz-3; if they want to skill arm the rogues
16:41 Schestowitz-3; cops here are barely armed
16:41 MinceR; that sentence makes even less sense than the usual anti-gun dumbassery
16:41 Schestowitz-3; except in spoecial scenarios
16:41 matey; all anti-gun people are trying to accomplish is disarm the population while leaving the most dangerous people just as armed as before <- and-- most are too clueless to realise it
16:41 MinceR; then the "special scenario" cops will kill lots of people
16:41 matey; <Schestowitz-3> they aren not antigun absolutist <- if thats your argument, racist cops have more important things to do than kill black people all day...
16:41 MinceR; cops are already drunk with power everywhere
16:42 matey; but they make time
16:42 sp1n; it is impossible to disarm USA, whatever gun laws are passed
16:42 sp1n; those laws, are irelevant and/or ineffective
16:42 MinceR; good
16:42 MinceR; that's the one thing the USA has going for itself
16:43 sp1n; those anti-gun activists, are delusional, because laws are only relevant if these can be enforced
16:43 matey; its seen all this shit before?
16:44 sp1n; in case of USA, ruling gun possession ilegal would criminalize hundreds of millions of muricans
16:44 sp1n; good luck with that, new law passed, you are all criminals now
16:45 matey; <Schestowitz-3> except in spoecial scenarios <- roy on fire safety: "if theres a fire, then we can start distributing extenguishers"
16:48 Schestowitz-3; US is not a success sstory re guns ownership
16:48 Schestowitz-3; it's a cautionary tale
16:48 Schestowitz-3; where people feel compelleed to buy firearms to keep up with the rest
16:49 Schestowitz-3; and then millions die in a few decades from firearms
16:49 Schestowitz-3; who would not be dead in their absence
16:49 matey; where people feel compelleed to buy firearms to keep up with the rest <- citation needed
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16:54 matey; more people get killed by knives than rifles
16:54 matey; solution: confiscate peoples knives and give them rifles instead
16:54 Schestowitz-3; look up
16:54 Schestowitz-3; uk deaths by knives
16:54 Schestowitz-3; compare to us deaths by firearms
16:54 Schestowitz-3; weight by population size
16:55 matey; what does the uk have to do with this
16:55 Schestowitz-3; low ownership of firefox
16:55 Schestowitz-3; about 2%
16:55 Schestowitz-3; or 3%
16:55 matey; are you suggesting that guns dont only shoot people, they also force them to stab each other?
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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17:03 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
17:04 MinceR; 28 174837 < Schestowitz-3> it's a cautionary tale
17:04 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166585
17:04 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
17:04 MinceR; yeah, a cautionary tale for states
17:04 TR News; Videos and Shows: Easy OS 4.1 and Going Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166586
17:04 TR Bot; Videos and Shows: Easy OS 4.1 and Going Linux | Tux Machines
17:04 MinceR; about leaving a too long leash for the slaves
17:04 Schestowitz-3; matey: they have fascists in charge
17:04 Schestowitz-3; and 400 million guns did not prevent it
17:04 MinceR; who doesn't?
17:04 Schestowitz-3; they have had their government buildings attacked by fascists too
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17:05 XRevan86; s/18/20/ now
17:07 matey; /me doenst know why roy conflates stats on gun suicides with gun homicides
17:08 matey; most gun deaths are suicides and it changes the rhetoric about gun death rates substantially
17:08 matey; but it lets you say "millions in just a few decades"
17:08 matey; its 700,000 in 20 years if you include suicides
17:09 matey; but again, the suicides are more than half of the deaths
17:09 matey; maybe around 2/3
17:09 matey; so once again, a little full of shit.
17:09 matey; at least a bit
17:10 matey; matey: they have fascists in charge <- and 400 million guns did not prevent it <- thats the wrong metric
17:10 matey; the number of guns means nothing
17:11 matey; its the number of people who are armed that would prevent it
17:11 matey; and even than its only one factor
17:11 matey; there are other requirements-- such as an educated public
17:11 matey; we dont have that either
17:12 matey; educated public + armed populace (sorry, not there yet) = less fascism
17:12 matey; there may be more than one gun per person
17:12 matey; but most people are not armed, so that count counts for nothing
17:12 matey; apparently some people have ridiculous amounts of weapons
17:13 matey; but that isnt what mincer is proposing.
17:13 matey; it isnt an "armed populace" if a few people have LOADS of weapons
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17:14 matey; weapons being concentrated in the hands of a few causes similar problems as money being distributed that way
17:14 TR Bot; Mobility Package as Bribes in European Patent Office | Techrights
17:14 matey; why would that prevent fascism? of course it wouldnt
17:14 DaemonFC; https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/new-car-quality-declined-11percent-blame-supply-chain-problems-jd-power.html
17:14 TR Bot; New car quality declined 11%, blame supply chain problems: J.D. Power
17:14 DaemonFC; :/
17:14 matey; again, its weird hearing such an argument from a glorified statistician
17:15 DaemonFC; It says Buick quality has sharply declined. Probably nothing to do with the recession.
17:15 DaemonFC; None of these new cars work right.
17:15 matey; but who needs a phd in glorified statistics when theyre just going to cherry pick numbers and not look at what they actually mean?
17:16 DaemonFC; They do what the manufacturer wants. They last about 4 or 5 years before they turn into a junker and cost a ridiculous amount of money.
17:16 matey; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state
17:16 matey; In 2020, over 45,000 people in the United States (13.6 per 100,000 people) died by firearms.
17:16 MinceR; > 400 million guns did not prevent it
17:16 DaemonFC; I wonder if dad and Jan really got rid of their Buick SUV because the repairs got away from them or it had a weird failure that nobody could figure out.
17:16 matey; More than half of these people died by suicide.
17:16 MinceR; the USA doesn't even allow citizens to keep assault rifles, or anything else capable of full automatic fire
17:17 matey; not that you probably want full automatic fire
17:17 DaemonFC; Yes, and the suicide rate is the same regardless of the gun laws.
17:17 MinceR; let alone rocket launchers, AFV-s or nuclear weapons
17:17 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: like cereal boxees getting smaller
17:17 Schestowitz-3; for same price
17:17 DaemonFC; If you take away the guns, they walk in front of trains.
17:17 Schestowitz-3; not just cereal
17:17 matey; in nearly any combat situation you can imagine, small bursts are more useful
17:17 MinceR; the constitutional purpose is resisting tyranny, but the people aren't allowed to be armed sufficiently to resist tyranny
17:17 matey; then again "assault rifle" is mostly a "loaded" term anyway
17:17 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, I've caught them doing this with cat food too.
17:18 DaemonFC; Charging $16 for a 6 pound bag when a 22 pound bag used to cost $25. Then throwing rebates at you so you won't scream.
17:18 Schestowitz-3; 1kg became 750k
17:18 Schestowitz-3; than 375
17:18 Schestowitz-3; maybe soon 250gram
17:19 matey; youre allergic to context
17:19 Schestowitz-3; *then
17:19 matey; what happens, do you break out in hives? do you have to call medics?
17:20 MinceR; 28 181755 < matey> then again "assault rifle" is mostly a "loaded" term anyway
17:20 MinceR; well, it was named after the Sturmgewehr 44
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17:21 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, I've gotten into the habit of compulsively buying more bags of cat food every time there's a big rebate.
17:21 DaemonFC; Just because if they stop, the stuff costs a fortune.
17:22 MinceR; another issue with resisting tyranny is that USians have managed to turn guns into a partisan issue, so the people who side more with the "democrats" are likely to disarm themselves
17:22 MinceR; and then nobody protects them or their interests anymore
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17:22 DaemonFC; MinceR, The number one state for legal gun sales in the past two years has been Illinois.
17:23 matey; USians have managed to turn guns into a partisan issue, so the people who side more with the "democrats" <- well
17:23 DaemonFC; The state police are swamped with FOID card backlogs because everyone wants a gun now after years of saying it wasn't necessary.
17:23 matey; reps and dems really are the same party
17:23 matey; and they work together to take away everyones rights
17:23 DaemonFC; I don't know why. I mean, it's not like there's mobs of looters and rapists and cajackers and anti-abortion protesters that all have guns.
17:23 MinceR; many of the followers don't see it that way
17:23 DaemonFC; Why would you need one? :)
17:23 matey; while making it look like a real fight between the two
17:23 matey; many of the followers don't see it that way <- if youre going to fleece the sheep
17:24 matey; first you have to fleece the sheep
17:24 matey; when people are being scammed, they dont go
17:24 matey; "i know im being scammed, but this is a LOT OF MONEY im going to make!"
17:25 matey; "i know im being scammed, but it really is a nice car"
17:25 matey; "i know im being scammed, but these issues really DO matter"
17:25 DaemonFC; "
17:25 DaemonFC; Your submission successfully completed the background review and has been sent to await printing.
17:25 DaemonFC; "
17:25 matey; they have to stop being scammed first
17:25 DaemonFC; The status of my FOID card.
17:25 DaemonFC; Apparently I owed them $5 that they never told me about.
17:25 matey; the other stuff is just bait on a hook
17:26 DaemonFC; So I have an active FOID card with the right address on it, and they are about to send me another one.
17:26 matey; its not that the issues arent real-- its that the parties arent real
17:26 DaemonFC; :/
17:26 DaemonFC; It probably costs them more than $5 to send me another card. So why don't they either not charge me the $5 or not send a duplicate card?
17:26 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, ^
17:26 DaemonFC; I checked to make sure it wasn't revoked!
17:27 matey; the american election system is a lot like the game shows on doctor who (devid tennant years) where the contestants who failed appeared to be vapourised
17:27 DaemonFC; If it gets revoked, you're supposed to get a letter in the mail, and then you have 48 hours to surrender the cards and your guns or it's a Class A Misdemeanor.
17:27 matey; but actually just got transmatted into yet another gameshow
17:28 DaemonFC; MinceR, Schestowitz-3 During my appeal, I really laid into the State Police.
17:28 matey; they keep people busy, and the right takes away peoples dignity and safety while the left takes away peoples liberty
17:28 matey; and they really are the same party working for the same people
17:28 matey; its a show
17:28 DaemonFC; I accused them of being so incompetent that they let my FOID card remain active 7 months into my probation sentence.
17:29 matey; except of course, people do actually die
17:29 matey; thats because even if the parties arent real, life still is
17:29 DaemonFC; And said that if I had any malicious intentions, that was more than an ample amount of time to act on them, underlying the stupidity of the entire FOID card system.
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17:30 matey; the right also takes away liberty and the left also takes away dignity
17:30 matey; but since its all about image, one appears to do more of this or that than the other
17:31 matey; i wish people would run realistic simulations on the past 40 years of voting
17:31 matey; to see what might have happened if people had voted differently
17:31 MinceR; 28 182839 < matey> they keep people busy, and the right takes away peoples dignity and safety while the left takes away peoples liberty
17:31 matey; the caveat is i have no fucking idea how you would make that realistic
17:32 MinceR; they both take away people's liberty, dignity and safety
17:32 matey; what i do know is that no matter how people vote, they get fucked either way
17:32 matey; <MinceR> they both take away people's liberty, dignity and safety <- to be fair, i did just say that
17:32 matey; what i do know is that no matter how people vote, they get fucked either way
17:32 matey; so whatever the solution is
17:33 matey; voting alone is not going to fix it
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17:33 MinceR; the solution is to kill the sociopaths in charge
17:33 MinceR; and if others try to step up, kill them too
17:33 MinceR; repeat until we run out of sociopaths
17:33 matey; i used to say "impeach everyone"
17:33 matey; similar concept
17:34 matey; just keep impeaching people until we run out of shitty ones
17:34 matey; you can imagine my disappointment when i found out how limited the scope of impeachment is (on top of the fact that it never really happens)
17:34 matey; (at least not in the way people want it to)
17:34 matey; i thought you could impeach any kind of politician
17:34 matey; :(
17:35 matey; but this was like 20 years ago
17:35 *psydroid2 likes MinceR's suggested measures
17:36 matey; the funny thing about mincers suggestion is this
17:36 matey; unless people get an even better idea
17:36 matey; his suggestion is more or less bound to happen eventually
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17:37 DaemonFC; Sometimes I wonder if some people who are this paranoid about lawful gun ownership live on the same planet and witness the same things I do.
17:38 DaemonFC; Lawful gun owners are very very little of the "gun crime" problem.
17:38 DaemonFC; Like 98% of the gun crime in Illinois involves people who never had a FOID card to begin with and guns that were never in the FOID card system.
17:39 DaemonFC; Even without FOID cards, they'd still be Brady disqualified due to "felon in possession of a handgun" which is a federal offense.
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17:40 DaemonFC; MinceR, We have to have a federalized state system here. Once everyone lives under 5 levels of government, it will be impossible for them to overlook any possible way of fucking you, but with the added bonus being that when you go a few miles in any direction, all of the laws change anyway.
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17:41 DaemonFC; The county board literally does nothing important.
17:41 DaemonFC; Like, the cities are the ones providing services.
17:42 DaemonFC; Or if you are going to have county governments with bloated budgets, why not shut down Townships?
17:43 DaemonFC; We need an entire level of government underneath the city and county and state, so that that government can mow the lawn at the cemetery and decide whether poor people deserve insulin.
17:43 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/weekend-random-randomness-5-22-22-25.jpg
17:43 DaemonFC; Indiana gives like, this bizarre and random assortment of stuff to the Township Trustees.
17:43 DaemonFC; Like, one of those things is poor relief, what there is of it.
17:44 DaemonFC; The law says that one of those tasks is providing insulin for diabetics, except that the Trustee can refuse you insulin if you've ever committed a felony.
17:54 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/28/innovation-solves-problems-says-wealth-manager-who-lost-over-half-her-clients-assets-in-half-a-year/
17:54 TR Bot; Innovation solves problems says Wealth Manager who lost over half her clients assets in half a year. BaronHK's Rants
17:54 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, ^
17:58 DaemonFC; https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/linkedins-hoffman-spending-to-elect-more-mainstream-democrats-to-congress.html
17:58 TR Bot; LinkedIn co-founder Hoffman hopes to get more Democrats elected to Congress this fall by beating some in the primaries
17:59 DaemonFC; Mainstream Democrats PAC. LOL
17:59 DaemonFC; You mean the ones that stood there and jerked each other off while Roe died.
18:00 DaemonFC; "Hoffman hosted a virtual fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee last year, with tickets going for up to $875,000. Biden thanked Hoffman for his generous support during the event, according to a White House transcript of the presidents remarks."
18:00 DaemonFC; Nancy Pelosi needs me. She neeeeeeeeds my $3.
18:01 DaemonFC; *Fundraising intensifies!*
18:06 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vm7tjz/my_local_walgreens_started_locking_up/
18:06 TR Bot; My local Walgreens started locking up toothpastefucking toothpaste : LateStageCapitalism
18:06 DaemonFC; $8 for a single tube of toothpaste.
18:06 DaemonFC; They haven't ever actually, you know, proven, that it works better than the 88 cent stuff.
18:07 DaemonFC; But they have ridiculous marketing budgets and they pay dentists to recommend it too by implying your teeth will all fall out if you don't.
18:09 DaemonFC; Shit, I'd recommend something too if I had them sticking those kinds of checks in my bank account. The Mercedes isn't going to pay for itself, you know.
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18:10 DaemonFC; It's actually not _as_ bad as the pharmaceutical companies buying off your doctor. At least your dentist can't follow you to the grocery store and force you to buy the $8 5 ounce Crest instead of the $1 8.4 ounce Aim.
18:11 sp1n; succeeded backporting a quake2 engine to c-only system profile... somehow, got video out of the demo
18:11 DaemonFC; Doctors can prescribe new drugs that have no generic, and that's exactly what the drug company representatives do.
18:11 DaemonFC; If you don't play ball, they stop taking you to dinner and paying your tuition to stay up to date on doctor stuff.
18:11 sp1n; however, there is too much backporting work remaining for sound support, at least it is possible
18:12 sp1n; got more important things to do than "gaming on linux"; nonetheless it is possible without any c++
18:14 sp1n; and as usual, the system integration isn't fun, too much clutter all over the place within the source tree
18:14 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vmqe46/companies_providing_access_to_legal_abortions/
18:14 TR Bot; Companies providing access to legal abortions isnt for your benefit, its for the companys benefit. : LateStageCapitalism
18:15 sp1n; leave alone, if anytime i was interested in hacking and programming of a software-rasterizer and 3d game engine, it simply isn't fun with the choas
18:22 sp1n; imagining, how much time and effort were invested, by valve/steam alone
18:23 sp1n; when instead, the old sdl1 software is still available, which requires none of the corporate bloat of opengl/c++/mesa/libdrm/llvm/clang
18:23 sp1n; that's probably close to 100million lines of code, simply wiped, and the original 3d game engine is still there without those
18:24 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, "For Tesla, which ranked 7th from the bottom this year, with the same initial quality score as Mitsubishi, panel alignment and poor paint quality were more common problems than customer issues with the companys mobile app or infotainment."
18:24 DaemonFC; -CNBC
18:24 DaemonFC; And this is based just on 90 days of ownership!
18:24 DaemonFC; That's when JD Power interviews the owner.
18:24 DaemonFC; This isn't like the paint started flaking after the car was 15 years old.
18:27 MinceR; which Mitsubishi
18:27 MinceR; the one that was run by the japanese or the one the french put on renaults and dacias?
18:27 MinceR; there's a bit of a difference
18:29 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/dcw_dog3.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-dcw-dog#comic )
18:29 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
18:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-28.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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18:42 SomeH4x0r; hi
18:42 matey; hi
18:48 MinceR; arrrgh, matey
18:49 matey; fair point
18:49 matey; /me still prefers ninjas
18:58 psydroid2; https://www.androidauthority.com/arm-cortex-x3-cortex-a715-3178608/
18:58 TR Bot; Arm Cortex-X3 and Cortex-A715: Next-gen CPUs redefined
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
18:59 matey; what would be cool is if people started collecting sbcs like trading cards
19:00 matey; theyre cheaper and more rare
19:00 matey; making them fun (but less profitable
19:00 matey; ) to collect
19:00 matey; and then instead of going to a shop you could just go to a collector
19:01 matey; and they could charge you twice as much for whatever model you wanted-- but heres the fun part
19:01 matey; it would still be cheaper than getting x86
19:02 psydroid2; and cost much less in terms of electricity
19:02 psydroid2; while x86 processors cost more and more to run
19:03 psydroid2; they can't compete in terms of design so clock speeds are raised into the stratosphere
19:04 sp1n; tailored for corporate consumerist stupidity
19:04 sp1n; made in USA
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19:15 matey; <psydroid2> they can't compete in terms of design so clock speeds are raised into the stratosphere <- that worked great for circuit city
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19:24 TR News; openSUSE Leap 15.4 release retrospective Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166587 openSUSE Leap 15.4 release retrospective Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166587
19:24 TR Bot; openSUSE Leap 15.4 release retrospective | Tux Machines
19:25 TR News; Firefox 102.0 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166588
19:25 TR Bot; Firefox 102.0 | Tux Machines
19:25 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166589
19:25 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:25 TR News; A quick rebuttal to abysmal arguments in favour of software patents, courtesy of people who neither code nor disclose a very obvious conflict of interest (they profit from promotion of such illegal patents, helped by crooked EPO presidencies that violate the European Patent Convention with impunity) http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/getting-it-all-wrong-about-software-patents/
19:25 TR Bot; Bastian Best is Still Wrong and Dishonest About Software Patents | Techrights
19:26 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/illinois-election-day-republicans-to-pick-nominee-to-face-gov-pritzker/
19:26 TR Bot; Illinois Election Day: Republicans to pick nominee to face Gov. Pritzker | WGN-TV
19:26 DaemonFC; What's interesting is that rich people will sink a hundred million dollars into a failed political campaign, but they won't pay their taxes.
19:27 TR News; KDE Plasma 5.25.2, Bugfix Release for June http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166581#comment-34161
19:27 TR Bot; KDE Plasma 5.25.2 Released to Improve Flatpak Support, Present Windows Effect | Tux Machines
19:32 TR News; How to Create Beautiful Beamer Slides with Emacs - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/create-beautiful-beamer-slides-with-emacs/ Source: maketecheasier
19:32 TR Bot; How to Create Beautiful Beamer Slides with Emacs - Make Tech Easier
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19:36 TR News; WTF, CNX????? Microsoft SPAM again https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/28/how-to-repair-a-corrupted-excel-file-in-microsoft-office-2007-and-2010/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/cnxsoftware-partly-compromised/
19:36 TR Bot; How to repair a corrupted excel file in Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010 (Sponsored) - CNX Software
19:36 TR Bot; The C in CNX Software is Not Community | Techrights
19:39 TR News; Spamnil posting spam for VS Code, Microsoft Proprietary Spyware
19:43 schestowitz; sexpc gemini://idiomdrottning.org/sexpc "Unix filter that reads one sexp from stdin and outputs the same expression in C syntax"
19:44 TR News; Demonstration on Wednesday 29 June at 12.30 in front of the Isar building http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/suepo-munich-protest-flyer/
19:44 TR Bot; Mobility Package as Bribes in European Patent Office | Techrights
19:45 TR News; sched/fair: Introduce SIS_UTIL to search idle CPU based on sum of util_avg https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip.git/commit/?h=sched/core&id=70fb5ccf2ebb09a0c8ebba775041567812d45f86
19:45 TR Bot; kernel/git/tip/tip.git - Unnamed repository; edit this file 'description' to name the repository.
19:45 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166590
19:45 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
19:49 TR News; Middleware enterprise functionality comes to JavaScript, thanks to Vercel | VentureBeat https://venturebeat.com/2022/06/28/middleware-enterprise-functionality-comes-to-javascript-thanks-to-vercel/ Source: venturebeat
19:49 TR Bot; enterprise functionality comes to JavaScript, thanks to Vercel | VentureBeat
19:50 TR News; "We are happy to announce the release of Qt Creator 8 Beta2!" https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-creator-8-beta2-released
19:50 TR Bot; Qt Creator 8 Beta2 released
19:51 TR News; Perl Weekly Challenge 171: Abundant Numbers and First-Class Functions http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/06/perl-weekly-challenge-171-abundant-numbers-and-first-class-functions.html
19:51 TR Bot; Weekly Challenge 171: Abundant Numbers and First-Class Functions | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
19:54 TR News; It Started with Muybridge (1964) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/it-started-with-muybridge/ Source: publicdomainreview
19:54 TR Bot; *It Started with Muybridge* (1964) The Public Domain Review
19:55 TR News; "The game-maker made a change to its Privacy Policy and Terms of Service in April 2021. It allows Riot Games to record and evaluate in-game voice communications when a report for that type of behavior is submitted." https://www.maketecheasier.com/riot-games-listening-to-valorant-chats/
19:55 TR Bot; Valorant Players: Riot Games Will Be Listening to Your Chats - Make Tech Easier
19:55 sp1n; ~80% of global maize harvest isn't used for nutrition, instead "bio" fuels
19:55 TR News; Virtual private network providers now have until September 25 to comply with new guidelines https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/virtual-private-network-providers-now-have-until-september-25-to-comply-with-new-guidelines/articleshow/92515531.cms
19:55 TR Bot; Virtual private network providers now have until September 25 to comply with new guidelines | Business Insider India
19:55 sp1n; either way, fertile soil and forests erode and cut down
19:56 TR News; "When Ubuntu came on the scene in 2004, it made desktop Linux viable to many with its ease of use and friendly layout. Instead of constantly improving this and becoming the King of All Distributions it took a very different path. While I still use Ubuntu server with some caveats, I will NOT use Ubuntu Desktop." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pMfqCzbSmQU
19:56 TR Bot; Ubuntu's Decline - Invidious
19:57 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/dangerous-ruling-says-if-someone-goes-onto-your-openly-shared-google-drive-you-can-sue-them-for-unauthorized-access/
19:57 TR Bot; Ruling Says If Someone Goes Onto Your Openly Shared Google Drive, You Can Sue Them For Unauthorized Access | Techdirt
19:58 TR News; Tuesday's FESCo Meeting (2022-06-28) is cancelled. Many announcements https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/AEF4US5TEZK66YLG7UGGIGWW2HYP732E/
19:58 TR Bot; Tuesday's FESCo Meeting (2022-06-28) is cancelled. Many announcements - devel - Fedora Mailing-Lists
19:58 TR News; GCC 10.4 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166591
19:58 TR Bot; GCC 10.4 Released | Tux Machines
20:00 TR News; Microsoft the worst https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/28/2022-cwe-top-25-most-dangerous-software-weaknesses
20:00 TR Bot; 2022 CWE Top 25 Most Dangerous Software Weaknesses | CISA
20:00 TR News; "Thought experiment story of someone of someone who lost everything in a house fire, and now cant log into anything" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/06/__trashed-2.html
20:00 TR Bot; Security Locks You Out of Everything - Schneier on Security
20:04 TR News; MNT Pocket Reform Is A Fully Customizable, Mini Linux Laptop With A Seriously Cool Design http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166575#comment-34162
20:04 TR Bot; MNT Pocket Reform 7-inch modular mini laptop takes a range of Arm (and FPGA) modules | Tux Machines
20:05 TR News; Manufacturing code? Probably plagiarism. https://www.techgenyz.com/2022/06/28/intel-starts-manufacturing-habana-labs-gaudi2-linux-driver-code/
20:05 TR Bot; starts manufacturing Habana Labs Gaudi2 Linux driver code | TechGenyz
20:07 TR News; Delaying the inevitable: Implementation of CERT-Ins Cybersecurity Directions gets a piecemeal extension https://internetfreedom.in/delaying-the-inevitable-implementation-of-cert-ins-cybersecurity-directions-gets-a-piecemeal-extension/ Source: internetfreedom
20:07 TR Bot; Delaying the inevitable: Implementation of CERT-Ins Cybersecurity Directions gets a piecemeal extension
20:08 TR News; LOL. MICROSOFT WINDOWS. CMC Electronics EFB breakout vulnerability | Pen Test Partners https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/efb-breakout-vulnerability/ Source: pentestpartners
20:08 TR Bot; CMC Electronics EFB breakout vulnerability | Pen Test Partners
20:09 TR News; Steven Vaughan-Nichols = LF-funded LF stenographer. SJVM, you disappointing sellout.
20:12 TR News; EasyOS Dunfell-series version 4.2.2 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166470#comment-34163
20:12 TR Bot; EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2 | Tux Machines
20:12 sp1n; in usa more than 80% of planted maize is genetically engineered crop
20:12 TR News; David Cantrell: rpminspect-1.10 released https://www.burdell.org/posts/2022/Jun/27/rpminspect-110-released/
20:12 TR Bot; rpminspect-1.10released
20:13 TR News; Scanning container image vulnerabilities with Clair https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/scanning-container-image-vulnerabilities-clair Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux
20:13 TR Bot; Scanning container image vulnerabilities with Clair
20:13 sp1n; "bio" ethane fuel, "green", "eco"
20:13 sp1n; watching some documentary
20:14 TR News; mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa) https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=24be0119016f6181f5a39e6405f17ad199bd695c Source: cgit
20:14 TR Bot; Mesa / mesa GitLab
20:14 TR Bot; mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
20:14 TR News; Running DOS on a 64-bit OS: A brief guide Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166592
20:14 TR Bot; Running DOS on a 64-bit OS: A brief guide | Tux Machines
20:15 TR News; Firefox 103 Beta Improves WebGL Performance on Linux for NVIDIA Drivers via DMA-Buf Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166593
20:15 TR Bot; Firefox 103 Beta Improves WebGL Performance on Linux for NVIDIA Drivers via DMA-Buf | Tux Machines
20:17 TR News; Linux Format 291 https://linuxformat.com/linux-format-291.html
20:17 TR Bot; Linux Format 291
20:21 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166594
20:21 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:22 TR News; ripgrep-all Command in Linux: One grep to Rule Them All Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166595
20:22 TR Bot; ripgrep-all Command in Linux: One grep to Rule Them All | Tux Machines
20:22 TR News; Need a free Slack alternative? #HowTo quickly deploy Rocket.Chat Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166596
20:22 TR Bot; Need a free Slack alternative? How to quickly deploy Rocket.Chat | Tux Machines
20:25 TR News; Debian and The History of Debian Linux Distribution Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166597
20:25 TR Bot; Debian and The History of Debian Linux Distribution | Tux Machines
20:35 psydroid2; https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/15/food-brands-accused-of-selling-inferior-versions-in-eastern-europe
20:35 TR Bot; Food brands 'cheat' eastern European shoppers with inferior products | Inequality | The Guardian
20:35 psydroid2; not tech, but ridiculous
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20:44 Schestowitz-3; just got dutch epo leaks
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20:51 Schestowitz-3; wanna read, psydroid2
20:51 Schestowitz-3; it's in English
20:51 Schestowitz-3; not dutch
20:51 Schestowitz-3; maybe I should ask the "hollander"
20:51 Schestowitz-3; if he can spin it
20:52 psydroid2; der hollnder weiss immer alles am besten
20:52 psydroid2; ok
20:52 Schestowitz-3; it's aprtof a trend
20:52 Schestowitz-3; attack on staff
20:53 Schestowitz-3; disgusting
20:53 Schestowitz-3; psydroid2: http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-lawsuits-impending/
20:53 TR Bot; Lots of Legal Action Against the EPO Impending | Techrights
20:54 psydroid2; the one time I met someone who worked at the EPO it was someone from the Czech Republic
20:54 Schestowitz-3; the draft mentions r elocation
20:55 TR News; Gemini as a Good gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202206/20220628-gemini-as-a-good.gmi
20:56 psydroid2; regarding "tsunami ..." -> regarding a "tsunami ..."
20:56 Schestowitz-3; corrected
20:58 psydroid2; The Benot Battistelli -> The Benot Battistelli era/reign/terror (you can pick your term)
20:58 psydroid2; pointed our -> pointed out
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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21:01 Schestowitz-3; thanks, corrected
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21:01 Schestowitz-3; trend across industry
21:01 Schestowitz-3; why many feeel demotivated
21:01 Schestowitz-3; and demorislised
21:01 Schestowitz-3; as their kids become more expensive
21:03 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1541806984076328964
21:03 psydroid2; the question is whether economic growth and population growth are sustainable
21:03 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Russian state media coverage of the Kremenchuk shopping mall strike. Predictably, they are denying that the strike even happened, calling it a "provocation" that was organized just in time for Sean Penn's return to Ukraine & the NATO summit. Western coverage is branded as "Fake.""|nitter
21:03 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1541828494493114369
21:04 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Leave it to Tulsi Gabbard to again voice the pro-Kremlin talking points on Tucker Carlson's show, advocating for Zelensky to accept Russia's conditions [their only condition is Ukraine's total capitulation]. As always, Russian state TV is quick to showcase the clip."|nitter
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21:07 Schestowitz-3; psydroid2: those are connected factors
21:11 Schestowitz-3; XRevan86: ending the way would be a good thing, but
21:12 Schestowitz-3; who's to trust Vlad to not invade another country?
21:12 Schestowitz-3; first a piece of it, then the whole lot years later after experimenting
21:12 Schestowitz-3; the conditions of peace or ceasefire matter
21:12 XRevan86; Schestowitz-3: That another country should also totally capitulate, and that would be a good thing.
21:12 Schestowitz-3; Gabbard went off the deep end by trusting Putin to honour an agreement
21:13 Schestowitz-3; XRevan86: putin wants thge "bloc" back
21:13 Schestowitz-3; we saw that in Belarus
21:13 Schestowitz-3; when he offered help to Luka in crushing protesters
21:13 Schestowitz-3; after the fake 'election'
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21:18 XRevan86; Schestowitz-Tr3: "Geopolitics"
21:18 TR News; [Meme] EPO Policies Decided Behind Closed Doors | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-policies/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-policies/
21:18 TR Bot; [Meme] EPO Policies Decided Behind Closed Doors | Techrights
21:19 Schestowitz-3; see what Lula (BR) said
21:19 Schestowitz-3; I agree with him
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21:20 XRevan86; Schestowitz-Tr3: What did he say?
21:20 *Schestowitz-3 looking now
21:21 Schestowitz-3; https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-lula-says-zelenskiy-as-responsible-putin-ukraine-war-2022-05-04/
21:21 TR Bot; Lula says Zelenskiy 'as responsible as Putin' for Ukraine war | Reuters
21:21 Schestowitz-3; this is slaant from reuters
21:21 Schestowitz-3; hangs on
21:21 Schestowitz-3; Reuters = Canada-owned
21:21 Schestowitz-3; western media slanted this
21:21 Schestowitz-3; by quote-mining
21:22 Schestowitz-3; he said noobody seems to be worktring toawards peace
21:22 Schestowitz-3; and this was slaanted like this:
21:22 Schestowitz-3; this is OK https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/05/lula-criticizes-world-leaders-not-doing-enough-help-create-peace-ukraine
21:22 TR Bot; Lula Criticizes World Leaders for Not Doing Enough to 'Help Create Peace' in Ukraine
21:22 Schestowitz-3; slant: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/04/brazil-lula-zelenskiy-blame-war
21:22 TR Bot; Brazils ex-president Lula claims Zelenskiy equally to blame for war | Brazil | The Guardian
21:22 Schestowitz-3; https://www.plenglish.com/news/2022/06/03/lula-criticizes-biden-for-arms-support-to-ukraine/
21:22 TR Bot; Lula criticizes Biden for arms support to Ukraine - Prensa Latina
21:22 Schestowitz-3; this is selective quoting https://www.news24.com/news24/world/news/brazils-lula-says-zelensky-shares-blame-for-ukraine-war-20220504
21:22 TR Bot; Lula says Zelensky shares blame for Ukraine war | News24
21:24 XRevan86; Schestowitz-Tr3: I don't agree with this take.
21:24 XRevan86; > What was the reason for the Ukraine invasion? NATO? Then the U.S. and Europe should have said: 'Ukraine won't join NATO
21:24 XRevan86; That would not have done a single thing.
21:25 XRevan86; The Russian government is not complete morons, they know NATO doesn't want Ukraine.
21:25 XRevan86; Lula is confusing the outwards-facing propaganda with reasons for war, and so he won't understand the confict.
21:28 TR News; Open Data is not "open source". Brands and terms cheapened and rendered meaningless. https://venturebeat.com/2022/06/28/roboflow-expands-open-source-datasets-for-better-computer-vision-ai-models/
21:28 TR Bot; expands open-source datasets for better computer vision AI models | VentureBeat
21:28 sp1n; NATO is the military arm of the economic interests involved
21:28 sp1n; Ukraine, fertile soil, "bio" fuels and whatever else
21:28 TR News; Jonathan Dowland: WadC 3.1 https://jmtd.net/log/wadc_3.1/
21:28 TR Bot; jmtd log WadC 3.1
21:29 XRevan86; > And Biden could have avoided war, not incited it
21:29 XRevan86; Fun fact: Biden personally ordered to drop confidentiality from the reports on the upcoming war.
21:29 sp1n; it's a land-grabbing, with a comedy puppet installed as president
21:29 MinceR; and once again activelow is spewing ruscist propaganda
21:29 MinceR; like clockwork
21:29 XRevan86; It was made known that the US knows about that war is coming, and they gave away everything they knew.
21:29 sp1n; it's a fact
21:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-28.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:30 TR News; Why organizations need site reliability engineers | https://opensource.com/article/22/6/benefits-sre-site-reliability-engineering Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
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21:30 TR Bot; organizations need site reliability engineers | Opensource.com
21:30 XRevan86; MinceR: I don't even care anymore.
21:31 XRevan86; Of course Pieskov and co. at the time said that the US is spewing fake news and bullshit.
21:31 XRevan86; And then did exactly what the US said they would do.
21:31 TR News; Will you sign my anti-RMS petition, Mr. Revoy? Revoy: SURE! Even if it tells lies. https://www.davidrevoy.com/article916/toulouse-signing-session-on-sunday
21:31 TR Bot; Toulouse - Signing Session on Sunday - David Revoy
21:32 MinceR; "Will you sign my petition or will it be your surviving family members?"
21:33 XRevan86; I wonder if activelow knows that Zelensky comes from the Eastern part of Ukraine.
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21:33 SomeH4x0r; does activelow still exist?
21:34 sp1n; you see, this is what "EU" etc. want: Ukrainian corn, and this type of friendship Zelensky seeked, see for yourself what those friends are
21:34 XRevan86; SomeH4x0r: Yes, but under different nicknames now, this time it's "sp1n".
21:34 SomeH4x0r; didn't they rage quit?
21:34 SomeH4x0r; oh
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21:34 MinceR; at least this nickname is more revealing
21:35 MinceR; because he's all about the spin
21:35 sp1n; facts
21:35 XRevan86; sp1n: And without Zelensky Ukrainian corn would've just disappeared.
21:35 sp1n; Zelensky himself is whining 24/7 now, to the "friends" he chose to seek an aliance with
21:36 XRevan86; sp1n: I also prefer Putin's approach: brooding in a dungeon with no friends.
21:36 sp1n; XRevan86: what Putin got, is the support of German Industry leaders
21:36 XRevan86; (that's not really true, Putin is leaving Russia to go to Turkmenistan soon :) )
21:36 MinceR; i hope he gets assassinated in turkmenistan
21:37 XRevan86; MinceR: Unlikely, they have a leader with a similiar approach to power.
21:37 MinceR; it might be easier to get a drone to turkmenistan though
21:38 XRevan86; Ah, I see. True.
21:38 XRevan86; Is AfD German Industry?
21:38 MinceR; they manufacture lies
21:38 MinceR; does that count?
21:39 sp1n; XRevan86: one of the founding members was BDI president (Henkel at that time), for example, yes
21:39 XRevan86; MinceR: ^ apparently, yes.
21:39 sp1n; although, most industry leaders aren't politically associated publicly
21:39 MinceR; most of them have more sense than that?
21:39 sp1n; Chancellor Schroeder, Rosneft, BASF etc...
21:39 sp1n; XRevan86: i am surprised this "minor" detail shall be disputed
21:40 XRevan86; Such German indistrials like: Russia, Russia
21:40 TR News; [Meme] EPO Bosses Sneer at Staff Unrest | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/sneerfing-at-staff-unrest/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/28/sneerfing-at-staff-unrest/
21:40 TR Bot; [Meme] EPO Bosses Sneer at Staff Unrest | Techrights
21:41 XRevan86; Schroeder is a colourful example for sure.
21:41 sp1n; not only Russia, in general industry spanned eastwards, including Czech republic, and wherever else
21:41 sp1n; Airbus, who knows what
21:41 MinceR; sp1n: why is it surprising to you that any detail of the propaganda you spout here would be disputed?
21:41 MinceR; do you live in a bubble?
21:41 TR News; Fedora Family / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166598
21:41 TR Bot; Fedora Family / IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:41 sp1n; MinceR: it's facts, it's not an opinion
21:41 MinceR; riiiiiiiiiight
21:41 MinceR; "alternative facts"
21:42 MinceR; i know them well
21:42 sp1n; no, trivial facts
21:42 XRevan86; "spanned eastwards" <- North Korea is also eastwards, coincidence?
21:42 XRevan86; Must mean German Industry is pro-DPRK.
21:42 sp1n; i mean, BASF investments, and long-term contracts with Russia all that, Putin does not need any sort of "friendship" Zelensky enjoys now
21:42 MinceR; if they're ruscists, they may as well be pro-north korea
21:43 sp1n; XRevan86: you might be surprised, but yes, i had seen, by coincidence, some former east-german/zcech Tatra Trams were shipped to North Korea where those continue operation
21:43 sp1n; and dictator kim, regularly, poses with a huge german mercedes benz vehicle
21:43 XRevan86; Must mean DPRK is actually a good regime with a kind noble leader.
21:44 *matey (~matey@wv7bucyd4dbcc.irc) has joined #techrights
21:44 MinceR; no doubt spin actually believes that
21:44 sp1n; btw. Putin's wrist watch, is made in Saxony, Glashuette
21:44 *matey has quit (connection closed)
21:44 XRevan86; MinceR: He called Kim a dictator, but I don't know if he means it like it's a bad thing.
21:44 *matey (~matey@wv7bucyd4dbcc.irc) has joined #techrights
21:44 sp1n; although, reports were, Putin was considere a disappointed friend of Germany, since recently
21:45 sp1n; for, various reasons
21:46 matey; /me tries to think of a word that combines "masturbatory" with "nazi" with "bullshit"
21:46 XRevan86; bullnazibatory
21:46 matey; i guess "ruscist" is close enough for now
21:46 matey; bullnazibatory <- it might work
21:47 SomeH4x0r; might ask another person tomorrow if I don't forget
21:47 sp1n; matey: ever looked into a mirror while excrement is dripping out of your mouth?
21:47 MinceR; what a snappy comeback
21:48 XRevan86; Is it the first time activelow directly insulted someone?
21:48 TR News; Mozilla Thunderbird 102 Released with New Address Book, Import/Export Wizard Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166599
21:48 TR Bot; Mozilla Thunderbird 102 Released with New Address Book, Import/Export Wizard | Tux Machines
21:48 sp1n; yes
21:48 psydroid2; elizabeth bthory
21:48 matey; /me giggles
21:48 XRevan86; SomeH4x0r: Of what?
21:48 SomeH4x0r; on the words thing
21:48 TR News; It is the usual lobbying nonsense from bribed politicians (bribed by the mass litigation lobby). It spills over to USPTO's site now. How appalling. https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/USPTO/bulletins/31df580
21:48 TR Bot; Following a series of Supreme Court decisions, new USPTO report on patent subject matter eligibility finds diversity of views regarding the current state of jurisprudence in the U.S.
21:49 SomeH4x0r; maybe they think of a better one
21:49 matey; nazibate
21:49 XRevan86; I'm not really a fan of all of those new fancy words.
21:49 sp1n; anyway, the strategy is known as "Wandel durch Handel" (change by economic trade associations), or "Wandel durch Annaeherung" (change by proximity)
21:50 matey; most of them arent worth using twice, xrevan
21:50 matey; they get out of hand very quickly
21:50 matey; i take them less seriously than some people
21:50 sp1n; meaning, any foreign policy can be imposed only in conjunction with economic dependencies
21:50 matey; i dont subscribe to the foolish notion that human though is governed / ruled by words
21:50 TR News; Linux Around The World: USA - Florida http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165929#comment-34164
21:50 TR Bot; GNU/Linux: Arch Linux, "Linux" Around The World, and Linux Format 290 | Tux Machines
21:50 sp1n; which is, the weakness of this approach, given Putin/Russia depend far less on anyone else than global economy depends on russia
21:51 matey; as much as i like orwell, it was one of his dumbest ideas-- and not his alone
21:51 sp1n; hence the argument, sanctions harm "the west" more than it did harm Russia
21:51 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=aunpR7WQaB8
21:51 TR Bot; EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis overview | A terminal-centric distro with a vibrant and friendly community. - Invidious
21:51 XRevan86; matey: The funny thing is that he picked it up from the short-lived fascination of Soviet Russia with Esperanto.
21:51 matey; i wont negate the existence of SOME relationship between the two, only the totality that SOME fairly idiotic leftist ideas are based on
21:51 XRevan86; Which is a pretty insulting take on Esperanto.
21:51 TR News; My 6 WORST LINUX MISTAKES - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=RapJNczwP7k Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
21:51 TR Bot; My 6 WORST LINUX MISTAKES - Invidious
21:51 matey; The funny thing is that he picked it up from the short-lived fascination of Soviet Russia with Esperanto <- that makes sense
21:52 matey; Which is a pretty insulting take on Esperanto <- i can imagine
21:52 XRevan86; Also because Stalin cracked down on Esperanto and oppressed people related to it.
21:52 matey; words are tools for expressing ideas
21:52 matey; the idea that theyre magical incantations that allow the brain to do its job seems more than a little superstitious
21:52 matey; to be taken seriously by "real scientists"
21:53 matey; and insults an admittedly imperfect intelligence
21:53 matey; Also because Stalin cracked down on Esperanto <- if stalin ever had a good idea, he probably had it shot
21:54 TR News; The Local Staff Committee The Hague (LSCTH) gives a heads-up regarding a tsunami of legal cases on the horizon against Europes second-largest institution, which operates in the dark with impunity (and thus frequently breaks the law and breaks promises) http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-lawsuits-impending/
21:54 TR Bot; Lots of Legal Action Against the EPO Impending | Techrights
21:54 XRevan86; matey: Language is a medium of culture, and words reflect stereotypes. In that it does influence people. But there's a catch.
21:54 matey; im willing to consider the fantastic notion that words have magical power
21:54 TR News; The EPO has not been run like a patent office/system for over a decade already; wealthy stakeholders from other continents just turned it into their monopoly-granting machine, operating in violation of its own charter for the sole goal of increasing cashflow http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-policies/
21:54 TR Bot; [Meme] EPO Policies Decided Behind Closed Doors | Techrights
21:54 matey; but to explain the human mind in such terms is sloppy even by my standards
21:54 TR News; Hypothetical exchange between Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campinos http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/sneerfing-at-staff-unrest/
21:55 TR Bot; [Meme] EPO Bosses Sneer at Staff Unrest | Techrights
21:55 XRevan86; The catch is that people also influence the language, and they'll use words and ideas they find useful to them.
21:55 matey; The catch is that people also influence the language, and they'll use words and ideas they find useful to them <- see, its not rocket science
21:55 TR News; Motorola.. hole rated CVSS v3 9.8 (out of 10!!!) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-179-06
21:55 TR Bot; Motorola Solutions ACE1000 | CISA
21:55 matey; words influence people, but theres a nuance!
21:56 XRevan86; People influence the language, the language influences the people, it's almost as if society shapes individuals and individuals shape society. Weird.
21:56 matey; crazy!
21:56 matey; its the people that give words godlike power (in the name of science) that makes me wonder what they put in the drinking water
21:57 TR News; "The affected product utilizes an MDLC driver that has a password stored in plaintext in the wmdlcdrv.ini driver configuration file." ini sounds so..... Windows. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-179-05
21:57 TR Bot; Motorola Solutions MDLC | CISA
21:57 matey; if words didnt influence anyone at all, there would be very little point in complaining about this
21:58 TR News; "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could result in manipulation of device configuration." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-179-04
21:58 TR Bot; Motorola Solutions MOSCAD IP and ACE IP Gateways | CISA
21:59 matey; brands influence people
21:59 matey; and people can turn on them and render them worthless
21:59 TR News; "Machine learning programming is an in-demand skill. Learn how to program an ML application with Python in this tutorial." https://www.itbusinessedge.com/development/python-for-machine-learning-tutorial/
21:59 TR Bot; Python for Machine Learning: A Tutorial | IT Business Edge
22:00 matey; imo ideas are more powerful than the words used to express those ideas
22:00 matey; people who think words are more powerful than ideas, i think have a screw loose
22:01 matey; but apart from that i think its incredibly sophomoric logic
22:02 matey; the sort id expect from herr doktor
22:02 matey; "all words comes from german, and all ideas come from words!"
22:02 MinceR; lol
22:02 matey; "and there is but one word! herr bungholio!"
22:02 MinceR; lol
22:03 XRevan86; matey: Ergo Germans invented Communi oh wait, they actually did.
22:03 matey; thats fair because its true
22:03 matey; though unlike marx, lenin at least is readable
22:03 matey; (not that everyone will agree)
22:04 XRevan86; That's very debatable.
22:04 matey; well if everyone had to agree, it wouldnt be leninism
22:04 MinceR; i haven't attempted to read lenin yet
22:04 matey; i havent had any trouble with it
22:04 MinceR; i can attest to marx being unreadable, tedious and obviously wrong
22:04 TR News; Fixing test coverage reports in at-spi2-core https://viruta.org/fixing-test-coverage.html
22:04 TR Bot; Fixing test coverage reports in at-spi2-core - Federico's Blog
22:04 matey; hes more accessible than dostoyevesky, and i enjoy dostoyevesky
22:05 matey; at least in smaller-than-homer-like amounts
22:06 matey; free software really is watered down communism
22:06 MinceR; [citation needed]
22:06 TR News; Vim 9.0 : vim online Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166600
22:06 TR Bot; Vim 9.0 : vim online | Tux Machines
22:06 matey; and both stallman and esr are too busy conflating stalinism with marxism to notice
22:06 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows: GNU/Linux Mistakes, Demo of EndeavourOS 22.6, and Ubuntus Decline Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166601
22:06 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows: GNU/Linux Mistakes, Demo of EndeavourOS 22.6, and Ubuntu's Decline | Tux Machines
22:06 MinceR; what does conflating stalinism with marxism have to do with communism?
22:06 matey; (and both vigorously deny it on grounds that are COMPLETELY reasonable, IF stalinism is interchangeable with communism)
22:07 matey; <MinceR> what does conflating stalinism with marxism have to do with communism? <- a good question for maybe 90% of the west?
22:07 MinceR; a good question for anyone who wants to know what point you're attempting to make
22:07 MinceR; considering that for some people, even "communism" means different things from one hour to the next
22:08 matey; if stalinism is the same thing as communism, both should be avoided
22:08 MinceR; that whole memeplex is so intellectually lazy, even its proponents are unwilling to define any of the words they invented
22:08 matey; certainly most "communist" countries were inspired more by stalin than marx
22:08 matey; the worst of them for starters
22:08 matey; more inspired by stalin than marx
22:08 XRevan86; Stalinism has as much to do with Communism as Putinism has with Sovereign Democracy.
22:09 matey; <XRevan86> Stalinism has as much to do with Communism as Putinism has with Sovereign Democracy. <- this is refreshing
22:09 *MinceR is not refreshed
22:09 matey; americans are taught that stalinism is communism
22:09 *XRevan86 presses F5.
22:09 MinceR; nothing happens
22:09 XRevan86; Ctrl+F5 then.
22:09 MinceR; still nothing happens
22:09 matey; [15;5~
22:10 matey; [15~ <- f5 [15;5~ <- ctrl+f5
22:10 matey; i can see it, i bet you cant
22:10 MinceR; i think you lost some escapes
22:10 matey; they escaped
22:10 XRevan86; ^[[15;5~
22:10 matey; hey hey hey
22:10 sp1n; anyway, Putin and Medvedev are a Tandem
22:11 sp1n; rarely ever is Medvedev mentioned
22:11 XRevan86; That's a fresh take.
22:11 sp1n; not sure what he does now
22:11 XRevan86; From like 2008.
22:11 matey; im completely against stalinism
22:11 XRevan86; sp1n: Makes a fool of himself mostly.
22:11 MinceR; is it common for tandems to have one member's hand up the other member's ass?
22:11 sp1n; did they divorce?
22:11 XRevan86; sp1n: It was a one-time deal.
22:11 sp1n; anyway, typically, the argument in "the west" was, to fight corruption
22:11 matey; stalin would have done his country well to set himself on fire
22:12 MinceR; that's true for most "leaders"
22:12 matey; i can think of several people in power today that could do the world and their own people a similar favour
22:12 MinceR; but more true for stalin than most
22:12 sp1n; and Medvedev, was somehow rooted in the civil liberty and rights movement, to confront corruption in russia
22:12 sp1n; although, just as said, i am no expert on internal politics of russia
22:12 TR News; Proprietary software/Windows problem https://www.hecticgeek.com/browser-hijacker-how-to-remove-it/
22:12 TR Bot; What is a Browser Hijacker? How to Remove It
22:12 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
22:12 MinceR; perhaps vladolf should finally copy his idol hitler and do what hitler did at the end of his life already
22:13 sp1n; all i am saying is this, there could be worse, much worse, than Medvedev for example
22:13 MinceR; not being an expert never stopped mr. spin
22:13 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights
22:13 matey; /me still thinks vlad is more like stalin... but stalin and hitler had enough in common, its true
22:13 *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
22:13 XRevan86; sp1n: I, surprisingly enough, don't get your point.
22:13 matey; i still like sp1ns ideas about gnu/linux
22:13 TR News; "The 1.62.0 pre-release is ready for testing. The release is scheduled for this Thursday, June 30th. Release notes can be found here." https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/06/28/1.62.0-prerelease.html Rust = CoCware controlled by Microsoft proprietary software
22:13 MinceR; stalin should have done it too
22:13 TR Bot; 1.62.0 pre-release testing | Inside Rust Blog
22:13 matey; that is most of them
22:14 sp1n; Sergej Lawrow seems to be a respected diplomat too
22:14 MinceR; oh yeah, respected by every ruscist
22:14 XRevan86; Maybe in 2008.
22:14 MinceR; and by absolutely no one else
22:14 matey; XRevan86 you keep mentioning 2008
22:14 matey; what exactly are you referring to
22:14 matey; (its my own fault i dont see that part so dont explain if you dont want to)
22:15 MinceR; i think i'll stop watching the All Spin Zone with Bill O'Really? and play some games instead
22:15 TR News; KaOS 2022.06 Now Available With KDE Plasma 5.25 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166345#comment-34165
22:15 TR Bot; KaOS 2022.06 | Tux Machines
22:15 sp1n; and i must admit, the documentaries about Russia i had seen, influenced my thinking
22:15 XRevan86; matey: It's kind of random, it's the year when Medvedev became President of Russia, until 2012.
22:15 matey; that doesnt sound TOO random, but you would know
22:15 sp1n; insofar, i do not believe the "EU" propaganda rubbish about Russia
22:15 matey; /me never checks if XRevan86 makes this stuff up, but hasnt had any reason to doubt yet
22:15 XRevan86; Lavrov's fall from grace was gradual, but since I picked 2008 already, might as well use it again.
22:16 matey; my focus on russia is still decades earlier
22:16 matey; someday i might get to the present, as far as russia goes
22:16 XRevan86; No one respects Lavrov now, he's rhetoric is bydlo-like at best.
22:16 XRevan86; * his rhetoric
22:16 matey; /me doesnt even know who bydlo is, sadly
22:16 matey; but thats ok
22:16 XRevan86; matey: gopnik then
22:16 matey; perhaps shameful, but still ok
22:16 matey; oh!
22:17 matey; gopnik i know :)
22:17 matey; whats the difference between a gopnik and a bydlo
22:17 matey; if i knew the answer, this could be a riddle
22:17 XRevan86; matey: Well, bydlo is a derogatory term for, well, the uncultured swine.
22:18 matey; oh ok
22:18 XRevan86; Gopnik is a particular urban subculture.
22:18 TR News; PeaZip 8.7 File Archiver Brings Functionality Improvements Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166602
22:18 matey; sounds like bydlo is less polite
22:18 TR Bot; PeaZip 8.7 File Archiver Brings Functionality Improvements | Tux Machines
22:18 matey; you can say gopnik without getting punched
22:18 TR News; What Is Syslinux? The Syslinux Archive File Structure Explained Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166603
22:18 TR Bot; What Is Syslinux? The Syslinux Archive File Structure Explained | Tux Machines
22:18 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166604
22:18 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
22:18 XRevan86; matey: Probably.
22:19 matey; yeah well, if there was a guarantee, what kind of gopniks would they be
22:19 matey; "reform gopnik"
22:19 matey; is there a russian equivalent of -lite
22:20 XRevan86; Lavrov is trying to sound tough and uses sharp words.
22:20 XRevan86; He's not a diplomat at this point.
22:20 matey; so, page from trumps book
22:20 XRevan86; Lacks the spirit of one for sure.
22:20 matey; (which is mein kampf, as everyone knows)
22:22 TR News; NOAA Gets 3X More Oomph For Weather Forecasting; It Needs 3,300X https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/06/28/noaa-gets-3x-more-oomph-for-weather-forecasting-it-needs-3300x/ Source: nextplatform
22:22 TR Bot; NOAA Gets 3X More Oomph For Weather Forecasting; It Needs 3,300X
22:23 TR News; 'Innovation solves problems' says Wealth Manager who lost over half her clients assets in half a year. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/28/innovation-solves-problems-says-wealth-manager-who-lost-over-half-her-clients-assets-in-half-a-year/ Source: baronhk
22:23 TR Bot; Innovation solves problems says Wealth Manager who lost over half her clients assets in half a year. BaronHK's Rants
22:23 sp1n; anyway, NATO called hundreds of thousands of troops on alert recently
22:24 XRevan86; "is there a russian equivalent of -lite" <- Like in "dendrolite"?
22:24 matey; like in lite beer
22:24 TR News; The Rust Programming Language Blog: Announcing The RustConf PostConf UnConf https://blog.rust-lang.org/2022/06/28/rust-unconference.html
22:24 TR Bot; Announcing The RustConf PostConf UnConf | Rust Blog
22:24 TR News; Open Source RISC-V: Serving a Side of Software with Chips Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166605
22:24 TR Bot; Open Source RISC-V: Serving a Side of Software with Chips | Tux Machines
22:24 matey; some would go so far as to say "diluted" but "lite"
22:25 matey; is sometimes supposed to be a good thing
22:25 XRevan86; matey: Isn't that just a variation on "light"?
22:25 matey; of course but its only used in certain situations
22:25 matey; where light can be used in all of them
22:25 matey; so its technically more specific
22:25 XRevan86; Only in the sense of lightweight.
22:25 XRevan86; Well, that's just "".
22:25 matey; and often means "watered down" either literally or figuratively
22:26 matey; so gopnik-
22:26 XRevan86; -- :)
22:26 TR News; Atmosphere Of A Denver Concert Hall gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1046
22:26 XRevan86; on minimum settings, slangy
22:26 matey; im sure it looks weird with half roman/half cyrillic
22:27 TR News; THE MAN WHO COULD WORK MIRACLES added to library. gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/library/Wells/Miracles.gmi
22:27 XRevan86; minimum requirements rather
22:27 TR News; "It's the first piece of music that I geniunely liked a lot that's discovered by myself, and it's safe to say that it shaped most of my music taste in the future." gemini://cyi1341.smol.pub/music0
22:28 matey; /me tries to think if he got "herr DOKTOR" from young frankenstein (cloris leechman)
22:28 matey; high anxiety? (still mel brooks and cloris leechman)
22:28 matey; (except now shes in something completely risque)
22:29 TR News; CVSS v3 9.8 (out of 10!!). Proprietary software strikes again. The media won't mention this as it's not "Open Source" (to spread FUD about) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-179-03
22:29 TR Bot; Advantech iView | CISA
22:29 sp1n; XRevan86: the point is this, i cannot comprehend the insanity anymore myself
22:30 TR News; "An attacker obtaining this password could change the network settings of the option board." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-179-02
22:30 TR Bot; Omron SYSMAC CS/CJ/CP Series and NJ/NX Series | CISA
22:30 *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@pzeavskfbwhvk.irc) has joined #techrights
22:30 matey; madeline khan was a goddess
22:31 matey; kahn. jewish, not muslim.
22:31 TR News; CISA has, in effect, become a mouthpiece of Microsoft or infiltrated by Microsoft moles https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/28/cisa-releases-guidance-switching-modern-auth-exchange-online
22:31 TR Bot; CISA Releases Guidance on Switching to Modern Auth in Exchange Online before October 1 | CISA
22:31 matey; either way she was amazing
22:33 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/28/under-the-influence "Russian lawmakers set to pass integrated foreign agents bill, broadening restrictions"
22:33 TR Bot; NO TITLE
22:34 TR News; BlueMail E-Mail Client Gets a Makeover, Support for Wayland Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166606
22:34 TR Bot; BlueMail E-Mail Client Gets a Makeover, Support for Wayland | Tux Machines
22:34 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tOjH-yoEJe0
22:34 TR Bot; Young Frankenstein (1974) Bloopers & Outtakes - Invidious
22:34 matey; "Russian lawmakers set to pass integrated foreign agents bill"
22:34 matey; "all spies must register with security officer"-- natasha fatale, rocky and bullwinkle
22:34 matey; "were not going to register?"
22:34 matey; "whos going to spy? were just going to sabotage"
22:35 XRevan86; Putin used to agree that the "foreign agent" law needs rework as it's too easy to abuse.
22:35 matey; yes
22:35 matey; its best to keep foreign against on a tight leash
22:35 XRevan86; And now *everyone* can be deemed a foreign agent, problem solved.
22:35 matey; /me throws keyboard out window and just hotwires the usb port
22:35 TR News; Microbell openwashing his boss, AMD, even though it's outsourced to Microsoft's PROPRIETARY prison https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-GPUOpen-gpurt
22:35 TR Bot; GPUOpen Working On A New "gpurt" Open-Source Project - Phoronix
22:36 matey; hey are you looking for a needle? why not ADD MORE HAY
22:36 XRevan86; Can't find a juicy Lavrov's quip with English subtitles. Oh well.
22:36 TR News; New generation of Armv9 CPUs unleash unprecedented compute power https://community.arm.com/arm-community-blogs/b/announcements/posts/compute-performance-unleashed
22:36 TR Bot; Next-gen Armv9 CPUs unleash compute performance - Announcements - Arm Community blogs - Arm Community
22:38 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/TpyxaNews/status/1541892250443124736
22:38 TR Bot; English (@TpyxaNews): "The moment of arrival at shopping mall in Kremenchuk."|nitter
22:39 matey; eyegor, would you help me with these bags?
22:39 matey; certainly! you take the blonde and ill take the one in the turban!
22:41 psydroid2; Microbel didn't have a lot to say about the ARM announcement, maybe he was instructed to do so by his masters
22:41 XRevan86; sp1n: ^ Look at this short video, look at it.
22:41 psydroid2; the LF/AMD overlords
22:42 sp1n; XRevan86: i locked down and out myself of any videos online
22:42 XRevan86; sp1n: Look at this particular one.
22:43 sp1n; can't, i reject the wester non-free web-crap, got none of this installed to watch online videos
22:43 sp1n; if you got a link elsewhere, to wget this, if it is worth the effort
22:44 TR News; Links 28/06/2022: Mozilla Thunderbird 102 and EasyOS 4.2.2 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/easyos-4-2-2-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/28/easyos-4-2-2-released/
22:44 TR Bot; Links 28/06/2022: Mozilla Thunderbird 102 and EasyOS 4.2.2 Released | Techrights
22:44 XRevan86; sp1n: Will semi-Russian non-free web crap do the trick: https://t.me/truexanewsua/52337 ?
22:44 TR Bot; Telegram: Contact @truexanewsua
22:44 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166607
22:44 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:45 TR News; Fixing test coverage reports in at-spi2-core Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166608
22:45 TR Bot; Fixing test coverage reports in at-spi2-core | Tux Machines
22:45 sp1n; tried with w3m, nothing
22:46 Schestowitz-3; XRevan86: terrorussia
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22:50 matey; the only thing gene wilder ever argued with mel brooks about was the tapdancing scene in young frankenstein
22:50 matey; which was wilders idea (he co-wrote the film)
22:50 matey; and to get that scene in, wilder had to argue with brooks for 20 mintues
22:50 matey; at which point brooks relented
22:51 matey; wilder asked why he put him through that, and brooks said he wasnt sure about it but he knew if he argued for it it was right
22:52 matey; whats funny is that brooks said "you tapdance to irving berlin in a top hat and tails with the monster? are you nuts?"
22:52 matey; because you know, mel brooks movies dont do such silly things...
22:52 matey; or maybe they didnt! imagine if it was gene wilder that made mel brooks as silly as he was after 1974
22:53 matey; no robin hood men in tights without wilder, maybe
22:53 matey; all for a tapdancing scene
22:58 XRevan86; https://i.ibb.co/gM4jwdW/image.jpg Spent some time to figure out where exactly is the camera located, and I think it points into the direction of the mall roughly like this.
22:58 XRevan86; So the point where the arrow begins is where the camera approximately is.
22:58 XRevan86; And the big building is the mall.
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
23:01 XRevan86; sp1n: https://yewtu.be/UNenw0zCdsM found this re-upload to YouTube, will this do, with yt-dlp?
23:01 TR Bot; Close up to the moment of the missile hit into Kremenchuk shopping mall - cancelling Russia version - Invidious
23:01 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/252657 I'll post this again, as a reminder.
23:01 TR Bot; Russian Defense Ministry confirms strike on Kremenchuk, says ammo explosion caused shopping mall fire
23:02 XRevan86; And because this video contradicts the Ministry of War's version, it's officially Fake News in Russia.
23:02 matey; do you think this will be figured out definitively, or will it become another "second gunman on the grassy knoll" kind of thing (the jfk shooting)
23:03 XRevan86; matey: What do ye mean? It's pretty much figured out already.
23:04 XRevan86; And we're just two days in.
23:05 XRevan86; matey: The video even confirms the reports that Russia uses anti-ship missiles, because it captures the missile itself.
23:05 XRevan86; A bloody Kh-22
23:06 XRevan86; That's their definition of high-precision weaponry.
23:10 XRevan86; sp1n: https://files.catbox.moe/8d1737.mp4 direct link, hopefully lives long enough.
23:10 TR Bot; connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/8d1737.mp4 )
23:10 XRevan86; Enjoy.
23:11 matey; even confirms the reports that Russia uses anti-ship missiles <- whats special about this?
23:15 XRevan86; I should also clarify, there was another missile that did actually hit the factory, and the earlier-released video ( https://nitter.net/TpyxaNews/status/1541749627283701760 ) did in fact capture the strike of that second missile. And one can see the smoke coming the mall at the 33 second mark.
23:15 TR Bot; English (@TpyxaNews): "The moment of the explosion after the missile attack on the Amstor mall in Kremenchuk."|nitter
23:16 matey; basically if they gave half a fuck about civilian casualties, they would use something else or at least somewhere else?
23:16 XRevan86; https://files.catbox.moe/91d6y5.mp4 a re-upload of that other video, special for sp1n.
23:16 TR Bot; connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/91d6y5.mp4 )
23:17 matey; but since they dont they just said "heres a good idea, lets launch a ship missile near a mall and hope it hits the factory?"
23:18 XRevan86; matey: The special thing is that these missiles are not even designed for on-ground targets.
23:18 matey; sounds more and more like iraq
23:18 matey; you know in iraq a tank fired at journalists in a hotel?
23:18 matey; a tank. at journalists. in a hotel.
23:18 matey; an american tank.
23:19 matey; cnn journalists (ok, you can make your own jokes, but make them at the hague at least)
23:19 matey; american tank shooting at american journalists
23:19 matey; because hotels are VERY important targets
23:19 matey; in a war thats not illegal as fuck
23:22 XRevan86; matey: Did they respond with saying the tank was actually Ukrainian?
23:22 XRevan86; or that it was shot with Ukrainian air defence, and that made it go on a wrong trajectory?
23:22 matey; the other day putin was stumbling around drunk, throwing bricks in the general direction of a bear and taunting "come at me bro"
23:23 sp1n; XRevan86: reminds me, Ukraine/Zelensky ordered German Artillery Tank-Howitzer 2000 (Panzerhaubitze 2000)
23:23 matey; what could possibly go wrong
23:23 sp1n; recently, delivered as ordered
23:23 XRevan86; sp1n: Reminds how?
23:23 XRevan86; sp1n: Did ye process the videos and the Russian Ministry of War's claims?
23:23 XRevan86; Did it sink in?
23:23 matey; it sank
23:25 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/Podolyak_M/status/1541890983146692608 Probably a better link that .
23:25 XRevan86; If anyone wants to share it about.
23:26 TR Bot; (@Podolyak_M): ""Absolute terrorism" says @ZelenskyyUa and publishes a video of a deliberate missile strike on the Kremenchuk shopping center with people inside. Russian propaganda always lies: there is no coincidence, it is a deliberate blow to intimidate the population and mass victims."|nitter
23:29 XRevan86; "deliberate" <- Again, I personally don't necessarily claim that.
23:30 XRevan86; But Russia definitely accepted that these things will inevitably happen and decided to just lie through their teeth every time it does happen.
23:30 XRevan86; No responsibility taken whatsoever.
23:31 XRevan86; 125th day of the invasion, no responsibility.
23:32 matey; thats what happens when you put a psycho in charge
23:33 XRevan86; The "oh shit, let's be more careful next time" moment is not going to happen, this is not the first time this happened (by far), and sure as heck not the last.
23:33 XRevan86; In that sense it is deliberate.
23:34 matey; the negligence is deliberate
23:34 XRevan86; Yes.
23:34 matey; the effects are results of that negligence
23:34 matey; you cant say its an innocent mistake if you know the outcome and dont give a shit
23:35 matey; like every stupid bully in history
23:36 matey; putin and the republicans think they can pull this shit endlessly and never have to answer for it
23:36 matey; theyre going to be very surprised when the time comes
23:36 XRevan86; Or rather, the negligence being acceptable is deliberate.
23:37 XRevan86; "Panzerhaubitze" <- True. So?
23:38 sp1n; boom
23:39 XRevan86; https://unian.net/war/0-11882238.html some pictures
23:39 TR Bot; Panzerhaubitze 2000 ()
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