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00:11 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/roe-v-wade-overturned/10-arrested-in-oregon-night-of-rage-protest-over-scotus-roe-v-wade-decision/
00:11 TR Bot; 10 arrested in Oregon Night of Rage protest over SCOTUS Roe v. Wade decision | WGN-TV
00:11 DaemonFC; Oregon is a fucking stupid state anyway.
00:11 DaemonFC; Portland isn't where that ends, unfortunately.
00:12 DaemonFC; There's a law against pumping your own gas in Oregon and New Jersey. Everyone else has been pumping their own gas and, you know, I haven't blown myself up yet. To be fair, it is a nozzle, with a handle, and three buttons you could push depending on which kind of gas you want.
00:12 DaemonFC; Better turn this over to a professional. He went to high school and got straight Ds, you know.
00:12 DaemonFC; :)
00:12 DaemonFC; I asked someone in New Jersey if they really went along with that.
00:13 DaemonFC; They said half the time you're out there honking your horn trying to get the guy to even come out and pump the gas until you give up and do it yourself, illegally.
00:17 DaemonFC; https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/new-york-man-cycling-across-america-is-bitten-by-dog-in-illinois-i-just-kept-going
00:17 TR Bot; New York man cycling across America is bitten by dog in Illinois
00:17 DaemonFC; National news.
00:24 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/weekend-random-randomness-6-18-22-15.jpg
00:27 DaemonFC; MinceR, That's great and all, but did you hear about the man bicycling from New York who got bit on the ass by a dog?
00:27 DaemonFC; He tried to pepper spray it and missed, you know.
00:27 DaemonFC; Very important story.
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01:15 MinceR; lol
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02:36 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-260622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-260622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-260622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-260622.txt
02:36 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, June 26, 2022
02:37 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-260622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-260622.txt
02:37 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, June 26, 2022
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02:38 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, June 26, 2022
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02:39 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, June 26, 2022
02:40 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-06-26.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-06-26.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:55 TR News; "The new normal is human culling?" https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/26/covid-19-not-over/
02:55 TR Bot; Blog Archive 1 in 340 Brits Died With COVID-19 on the Death Certificate (and Its Not Over)
02:55 TR News; New Version of ArcMenu GNOME Extension Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166513
02:55 TR Bot; New Version of ArcMenu GNOME Extension Released | Tux Machines
02:56 TR News; GNOME Devs Bring New List View to Nautilus File Manager Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166514
02:56 TR Bot; GNOME Devs Bring New List View to Nautilus File Manager | Tux Machines
02:56 TR News; Linux 5.19-rc4 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166515
02:56 TR Bot; Linux 5.19-rc4 | Tux Machines
02:56 TR News; Review: AlmaLinux OS 9.0 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166516
02:56 TR Bot; Review: AlmaLinux OS 9.0 | Tux Machines
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03:00 TR News; Small Internet Survey gopher://gopher.black:70/1/phlog/20220626-small-internet-survey
03:01 TR News; Abortion gopher://gopher.black:70/1/phlog/20220626-abortion
03:02 TR News; "I've put together a survey about the Small Internet (gopher, gemini, individual webpages, small community sites) and I would love your input. Please spend a few minutes and fill in your thoughts." gemini://tilde.team/~tomasino/journal/20220626-small-internet-survey.gmi
03:03 TR News; "I have had to face some personal home truths, maybe ignored the last couple of years while in the home-working suspended animation. Realisation that you are responsible for your situation, regardless of the cause, is a lesson I forgot a while. Selfish I know." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1041
03:04 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D625.jpg
03:07 TR News; "i really and truly enjoy the grandma vibes of cross-stitch. it's a lot less modern of a craft, since you can only create things like wall hangings or frame your final pieces, but its tedium and archaic-ness sort of makes it a high-value gift, because there's no way to do it quickly." gemini://makeworld.space/users/~atyrfingerprints/gemlog/2022-06-26-thread.gmi
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03:08 TR News; Small Internet User Survey gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-06-26%20Small%20Internet%20User%20Survey
03:08 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 17 MB TotalOut: 3.2 MB
03:09 TR News; Does email spark joy? gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-06-26%20Does%20email%20spark%20joy%3F
03:09 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:10 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D625.jpg
03:11 IPFS; QmRdcPDNXG7La9xrpj9Te3TGetenUACvpQoAsNtm1XNbZY
03:11 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
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03:16 schestowitz_TR; hi techrights_guest|47
03:23 TR News; "The Web is broken, which is almost as much as to say that the Internet is broken too. No news here, no need to even link to what has been already said a zillion times" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1043
03:24 TR News; Smol Web Survey gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1042
03:25 TR News; "I saw sud0nim's post about feeling alone. Sud0, I'd give you a hug, man. I know that feel, and I can tell you that it ebbs and flows." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1656271807
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03:25 TR News; practice of everyday life reading group gemini://em.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-06-26-de-certeau-group.gmi "on consumers: focused more on how to consume than consumers themselves. maybe this is also what he means by focusing on the universal and not the individual, that consuming is universal in some way?"
03:26 TR News; "People seem to think that gossip on Twitter (and other social media platforms) makes them informed enough to meaningfully contribute to political discussions but all they end up doing is weaving conspiracy theories devoid of facts." gemini://dk.smol.pub/1656269233
03:28 TR News; Williams, Raymond. Politics of Modernism: Against the New Conformists. Verso, 2007 (1989). gemini://aidn.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-06-26.gmi
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03:30 TR News; Source Vs Binary Package Managers: Whats The Best? - Invidious <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2lmmitIVPtk"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
03:30 TR Bot; Source Vs Binary Package Managers: What's The Best? - Invidious
03:32 TR News; Linux Around The World: New Zealand http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165929#comment-34146
03:32 TR Bot; GNU/Linux: Arch Linux, "Linux" Around The World, and Linux Format 290 | Tux Machines
03:33 TR News; Josh Bressers: Episode 329 Signing (What is it good for) https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/06/26/episode-329-signing-what-is-it-good-for/
03:33 TR Bot; Episode 329 Signing (What is it good for) Open Source Security
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03:37 TR News; Jamie McClelland: Deleting your period app won't bring back Roe v Wade https://current.workingdirectory.net/posts/2022/dont-panic-organize/
03:37 TR Bot; Jamie McClelland | Deleting your period app won't bring back Roe v Wade
03:37 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows: Open Source Security Podcast, GNU World Order, Brodie Robertson, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166517
03:37 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows: Open Source Security Podcast, GNU World Order, Brodie Robertson, and More | Tux Machines
03:38 TR News; "I was looking for a way to output debug messages that can also carry additional values, when not output to the screen. That is easy. The tricky part is golfing the interface. After quite a bit of struggle. I ended up with the following." https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2022/06/26/sinking-errors/
03:38 TR Bot; Sinking Errors | Playing Perl 6b6xA Raku
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03:42 TR News; Self-hosted https://medevel.com/friday-ai/
03:42 TR Bot; Friday is an Open-source Virtual Assistant
03:42 TR News; Illinois: Trump appears for a stump speech for Darren Bailey that turns into a Nazi/White Pride rally. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/26/illinois-trump-appears-for-a-stump-speech-for-darren-bailey-that-turns-into-a-nazi-white-pride-rally/ Source: baronhk
03:42 TR Bot; Illinois: Trump appears for a stump speech for Darren Bailey that turns into a Nazi/White Pride rally. BaronHK's Rants
03:44 TR News; "You cant rely on Google to preserve the Web or anything that happened on it." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/26/google-youtube-gulagtube-removes-incredibly-racist-and-transphobic-political-ad-from-illinois-state-rep-jeanne-ives/
03:44 TR Bot; Google YouTube (GulagTube) removes incredibly racist and transphobic political ad from Illinois state Rep. Jeanne Ives. BaronHK's Rants
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03:45 TR News; LINMOB.net - Weekly #MobilePOSIX Update (25/2022): Better Processing in Megapixels and another report on the PinePhone Pro Cameras Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166518
03:45 TR Bot; LINMOB.net - Weekly #MobilePOSIX Update (25/2022): Better Processing in Megapixels and another report on the PinePhone Pro Cameras | Tux Machines
03:48 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166519
03:48 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
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04:17 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vl81fb/you_should_know_the_top_25_companies_responsible/
04:17 TR Bot; You should know: the top 25 companies responsible for turning the Supreme Court conservative : LateStageCapitalism
04:17 DaemonFC; Microsoft at #23.
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04:49 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vh6d5t/new_aleve_commercial_says_if_youre_in_pain_and/
04:49 TR Bot; New Aleve commercial says if you're in pain and can't work, just pop a pill and keep working... : LateStageCapitalism
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04:52 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vhttoq/seem_like_inflation_works_only_for_corporations/
04:52 TR Bot; Seem like inflation works only for corporations : LateStageCapitalism
04:52 DaemonFC; "In 2011 my parents brought a top-of-the-line iPhone 4s for 399 dollars. I remember opening the box and see all the goodies it came with. Headphone, a charger, and a micro fiber cloth. Now in 2022 the a base model iPhone 13 pro cost 999 and only comes with a type C to type C charging cable not even a charging brick. In 2016 I bought a gtx 1080ti for 700 dollars. Now 2022 a 3080ti cost 1,200 which is 800 dollars less than I spent building the PC
04:52 DaemonFC; itself. All this and people still get paid pretty much. I understand all these items aren't considered necessities but what the fuck."
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05:15 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR, More people complaining about Airbnb on Reddit.
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05:15 DaemonFC; Stallman doesn't get why low interest rates are bad, and here's another reason.
05:16 DaemonFC; Airbnb takes advantage of low interest rates to take on a massive amount of debt, just like hedge funds that have been buying trailer parks and apartment buildings and then jacking up the rent.
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06:08 TR News; 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: June 26th, 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166520
06:09 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, June 26, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
06:09 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
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06:10 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
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06:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:46 matey; "it doesnt matter what comes" is a pretty fucking glib sentiment for breath mints really
06:46 matey; you could be dying of AIDS, it doesnt matter because-- WITH MENTOS FRESH YOURE FULL OF LIFE!
06:46 matey; fresh goes better with death and taxes-- fresh goes better WITH MENTOS YOURE A SOCIOPATH!
06:47 matey; mentos! the zero fucks mint!
06:49 TR News; "When Kurt Reheiser returned to the IBM i server after a 15-year hiatus away the platform, things werent a lot different than how he left them." https://www.itjungle.com/2022/06/27/guild-mortgage-takes-the-20-year-option-for-modernization/
06:49 TR Bot; Guild Mortgage Takes The 20-Year Option For Modernization - IT Jungle
06:49 TR News; "How many monthly iPhone bills is a Power10-based entry server worth?" https://www.itjungle.com/2022/06/27/ibm-i-licensing-part-3-can-the-hardware-bundle-be-cheaper-than-a-smartphone/
06:49 TR Bot; IBM i Licensing, Part 3: Can The Hardware Bundle Be Cheaper Than A Smartphone? - IT Jungle
06:49 matey; "how does he look, nurse?"
06:50 matey; *nurse shakes her head and pulls the sheet over him*
06:50 matey; *doctor pops a mint and dances around the room smiling*
06:50 matey; mentos! the fresh-maker!
06:51 matey; "nothing gets to you-- staying fresh staying cool!" *doctor picks up the body and starts swaying around like dancing with the stars*
06:51 matey; something for justin timberlake to work on if he does more comedy
06:52 matey; maybe they put booze in them
06:53 matey; "it doesnt matter what comes, mentos just gets you drunk-- youre gonna be to pissed to care"
06:53 TR News; Easily Get 3rd-Party Software on Ubuntu With Deb-Get https://fosspost.org/deb-get-install-3rd-party-software-ubuntu/ Source: fosspost
06:53 TR Bot; Easily Get 3rd-Party Software on Ubuntu With Deb-Get
06:53 matey; "nothing gets to you, you could puke on your shoes, cause with mentos youre fucking smashed!"
06:54 matey; "drunk goes better with mentoxication-- drunk goes better with huh, wha? eh whatever man!"
06:54 TR News; Whats new in Security for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS? https://ubuntu.com//blog/whats-new-in-security-for-ubuntu-22-04-lts
06:54 TR Bot; new in Security for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS? | Ubuntu
06:56 matey; true story, the guy who wrote the mentos jingle was later found with several bodies in his attic, which was filled with mints
06:58 TR News; KaOS 2022.06 Release Adds KDE Plasma 5.25 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166345#comment-34149
06:58 TR Bot; KaOS 2022.06 | Tux Machines
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07:00 TR News; 2006: Microsoft 'pays' Novell to stop competing with Windows. Microsoft does the same thing, still, with Azure, WSL, LF etc. But we're meant not to pay attention. Regulators are corrupt.
07:00 matey; lance made little candies that were basically indistinguishible from mentos, except the flavours were slightly better and they were just slightly stale right out of the factory, and they didnt have the psycho dancing around in the adverts
07:01 matey; and they were just slightly stale right out of the factory <- this was lances trademark and they were very serious about infringers
07:05 matey; the music video for "beautiful day" by u2 was a proposal for a mentos advert, but they didnt use it because theyre not as popular in the uk and ireland
07:06 matey; in it, bono grabs someones luggage, eats someone elses apple, and shoves his smiling face against a revolving door while walking around in circles, then lays down on the luggage carousel
07:06 matey; but he was waiting for the green light to actually eat a mint first
07:07 matey; he also prances across the runway but unfortunately doesnt take off and fly away for parts unknown
07:08 TR News; Panic of 1907/2022 https://matt-rickard.com/panic-of-1907/ Source: matt-rickard
07:08 TR Bot; Panic of 1907/2022
07:08 matey; "cocaine is a hell of a drug"-- rick james
07:18 TR News; Links 26/06/2022: Linux 5.19 RC4 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/linux-5-19-rc4/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/linux-5-19-rc4/
07:18 TR Bot; Links 26/06/2022: Linux 5.19 RC4 | Techrights
07:22 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166521
07:22 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
07:22 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166523
07:22 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
07:22 TR News; Canonical and IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166524
07:22 TR Bot; Canonical and IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines
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08:38 TR News; "The found solutions seem not that great or work partially only or not work like I expected them to work." https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2022/06/25/split-audio-files-into-parts/ | Source: Vermaden
08:38 TR Bot; Split Audio Files into Parts |
08:38 TR News; "I know how to select the next sibiling of an element with div + p." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/previous-sibling-selector/ | Source: Jim Nielsen
08:38 TR Bot; A Previous Sibling Selector - Jim Nielsens Blog
08:39 TR News; "The guys at Xerox PARC and Apple who invented the GUI knew this. The clowns at Red Hat don't" https://liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/84023.html | Source: Liam Proven
08:39 TR Bot; liam_on_linux | Why I think the GNOME designers are incompetent
08:41 TR News; "ESP32-C5 packs a dual-band Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax) radio, along with the 802.11b/g/n standard for backward compatibility." https://www.espressif.com/en/news/ESP32-C5 |
08:41 TR Bot; ESP32-C5: Espressifs first Dual-Band Wi-Fi 6 MCU | Espressif Systems
08:42 TR News; "The art of Communicating with Computers is called coding, It allows us to be able to communicate with computers" https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-learning-to-code-can-change-your-life/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks
08:42 TR Bot; How Learning To Code Can Change Your Life? - GeeksforGeeks
08:42 TR News; Programming change control: "The two widely used first-generation version control systems were SCCS and RCS" https://matt-rickard.com/a-new-version-control-system/ | Source: Matt Rickard
08:42 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://matt-rickard.com/a-new-version-control-system/ )
08:43 TR News; Serf for spyware: "Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced that the company is unveiling more ways for creators to make money on Facebook and Instagram." https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/06/21/meta-monetization-tools-facebook-instagram/ | Source: Digital Music News
08:43 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/06/21/meta-monetization-tools-facebook-instagram/ )
08:43 TR News; "But common student items have routinely set off the Evolv scanners, among them laptops, umbrellas, three-ring binders, spiral-bound notebooks and metal water bottles." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/26/business/school-safety-technology.html | Source: New York Times
08:43 TR Bot; Schools Are Spending Billions on High-Tech Defense for Mass Shootings - The New York Times
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08:46 TR News; "When qualifying privacy recommendations with context, I think we should go further than describing threat models: we should acknowledge different types of privacy." https://seirdy.one/posts/2022/06/25/two-types-of-privacy/ | Source: Rohan Kumar
08:46 TR Bot; Two types of privacy - Seirdy
08:46 TR News; "But what if this sound-recognition could be tweaked to do core IT and operational chores?" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3664119/let-s-put-smartphone-mics-to-better-use.html | Source: Computer World
08:46 TR Bot; put smartphone mics to better use | Computerworld
08:47 TR News; [Old] "UC-Berkeleys Nicholas Weaver has been studying cryptocurrency for years." https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/05/why-this-computer-scientist-says-all-cryptocurrency-should-die-in-a-fire | Source: Current Affairs
08:47 TR Bot; Why This Computer Scientist Says All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire Current Affairs
08:47 TR News; [Old] "Despite all the cleverness and hype, the technology just isn't that good." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/02/ee380-talk.html | Source: David Rosenthal
08:47 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: EE380 Talk
08:47 TR News; "Further Twitter says that it is compelled to withhold the entire specified account in response to a valid legal demand such as a court order." https://www.oneindia.com/india/why-the-hyperventilation-to-journalist-rana-ayyubs-twitter-account-being-withheld-3425863.html | Source: Digitech Media Pvt Ltd
08:47 TR Bot; withholds Rana Ayub's account, her supporters term it censorship - Oneindia News
08:48 TR News; Internet Policy: "Eddy Kayihura stated that they have found emails that are not in line with the purpose of the mailing list nor with the principles of the AFRINIC Code of Conduct have." https://sysadmin-journal.com/afrinic-ceo-announced-a-temporary-emergency-moderation-of-the-community-discussion-list/ | Source: Ish Sookun
08:48 TR Bot; AFRINIC CEO announced a temporary emergency moderation of the community discussion list
08:49 TR News; "The estate of photographer Chi Modu, who passed away in May of 2021, is officially suing Universal Music Group (UMG) for copyright infringement over the major labels allegedly unauthorized use of a Tupac Shakur photo" https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/06/24/chi-modu-umg-tupac-lawsuit/ | Source: Digital Music News
08:49 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/06/24/chi-modu-umg-tupac-lawsuit/ )
08:50 TR News; Advice Needed: Best Simple Website Platform. - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/06/25/1720200 Source: soylentnews
08:50 TR Bot; Advice Needed: Best Simple Website Platform. - SoylentNews
08:53 TR News; Riseup Pad: Tor relays https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-relay-meetup-june-2022-keep Source: pad
08:53 TR Bot; Riseup Pad
08:56 TR News; "Ubuntu 22.04 LTS introduces optimised kernel versions for different platforms." https://ubuntu.com//blog/whats-new-in-security-for-ubuntu-22-04-lts | Source: Ubuntu
08:56 TR Bot; new in Security for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS? | Ubuntu
08:57 TR News; "Compulabs new IoT gateway provides support for two processor models, the C1800Q and the C1800QM." Compulab should shun criminals from Microsoft. Bad neighbourhood. https://linuxgizmos.com/compulabs-new-iot-gateway-is-based-on-nxps-i-mx-8m-processor-and-runs-on-linux-ms-azure-iot-and-node-red/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
08:57 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/compulabs-new-iot-gateway-is-based-on-nxps-i-mx-8m-processor-and-runs-on-linux-ms-azure-iot-and-node-red/ )
08:58 TR News; "Hello folks, in this guide, we will cover how to set static ip address on Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish) step by step" https://www.linuxbuzz.com/set-static-ip-address-on-ubuntu/ | Source: Linux Buzz
08:58 TR Bot; How to Set Static IP Address on Ubuntu 22.04
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09:07 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, June 26, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/irc-log-260622/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/irc-log-260622/
09:07 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, June 26, 2022 | Techrights
09:11 TR News; "If you ever mention to a normal person that youre a hacker, and they might ask you if you can do something nefarious" https://hackaday.com/2022/06/26/want-a-break-from-hardware-hacking-try-bitburner/ | Source: Hackaday
09:11 TR Bot; A Break From Hardware Hacking? Try Bitburner | Hackaday
09:15 TR News; "An in-depth study among 50 Harvard lawyers shows that downloading and streaming pirated content is widely tolerated and even supported" https://torrentfreak.com/harvard-lawyers-dont-think-that-piracy-is-theft-research-finds-220626/ | Source: Torrent Freak
09:15 TR Bot; Lawyers Don't Think That Piracy is Theft, Research Finds * TorrentFreak
09:19 TR News; Slave Labor https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/26/slave-labor/ | Source: Scheerpost
09:19 TR Bot; Labor scheerpost.com
09:20 TR News; Climate https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/26/europe-dumps-its-climate-commitments-after-facing-shortage-of-russian-gas/ | Source: Scheerpost
09:20 TR Bot; Dumps Its Climate Commitments After Facing Shortage of Russian Gas scheerpost.com
09:21 TR News; Maritime surveillance https://digit.site36.net/2022/06/26/maritime-surveillance-spy-satellites-in-frontex-operation/ | Source: Site36
09:21 TR Bot; Maritime surveillance: Spy satellites in Frontex operation Security Architectures in the EU
09:21 TR News; Billionaires like Bill Gates, the famous criminal who bribes these authors NOT to mention him https://truthout.org/articles/billionaires-avoid-taxes-on-an-epic-scale-heres-how/ | Source: TruthOut
09:21 TR Bot; Billionaires Avoid Taxes on an Epic Scale. Here's How.
09:22 TR News; "The spirit of unionizing is in the air, from Amazon to Starbucks." https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/26/progressive-food-company-amys-kitchen-faces-multiple-unfair-labor-practice-charges/ | Source: Scheerpost
09:22 TR Bot; Food Company Amys Kitchen Faces Multiple Unfair Labor Practice Charges scheerpost.com
09:25 TR News; When it comes to assistance, on an international scale, when US says "help" it means "sell" (or offer loans)
09:25 TR News; "Mother of all Demos" https://hackaday.com/2022/06/26/odd-inputs-and-peculiar-peripherals-chorded-keyset-recreates-engelbarts-vision/ | Source: Hackaday
09:25 TR Bot; Inputs And Peculiar Peripherals: Chorded Keyset Recreates Engelbarts Vision | Hackaday
09:26 TR News; "In a recent video, [SomeSkillStudio] created a tidy tool storage system for their slim garage workbench." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/26/this-custom-workbench-will-make-you-flip/ | Source: Hackaday
09:26 TR Bot; Custom Workbench Will Make You Flip | Hackaday
09:28 TR News; Amy's Kitchen https://truthout.org/articles/organic-food-maker-amys-kitchen-faces-several-unfair-labor-practice-charges/ | Source: TruthOut
09:28 TR Bot; Organic Food Maker Amy's Kitchen Faces Several Unfair Labor Practice Charges
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09:28 TR News; "Night vision projects are great, and the hardware available to hobbyists just gets better and better." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/26/diy-night-vision-where-four-is-better-than-two/ | Source: Hackaday
09:28 TR Bot; Night Vision, Where Four Is Better Than Two | Hackaday
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09:42 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166525
09:42 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
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09:43 TR News; Devices With GNU/Linux and Hardware Hacking Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166526
09:43 TR Bot; Devices With GNU/Linux and Hardware Hacking | Tux Machines
09:43 TR News; Why I think the GNOME designers are incompetent Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166527
09:43 TR Bot; Why I think the GNOME designers are incompetent | Tux Machines
09:43 TR News; Links 27/06/2022: GNOME Design Rant | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/gnome-design-rant/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/gnome-design-rant/
09:43 TR Bot; Links 27/06/2022: GNOME Design Rant | Techrights
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10:27 psydroid2; https://www.aroged.com/2022/06/16/graviton-presented-the-angara-motherboard-with-the-russian-arm-processor-baikal-m/
10:27 TR Bot; presented the Angara motherboard with the Russian Arm-processor Baikal-M - Aroged
10:31 matey; with-the-russian-arm-processor-baikal-m
10:31 matey; but a lot of places cant get that more easily than americans can get cuban cigars
10:32 matey; (and maybe wouldnt want to until russia withdraws)
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10:33 matey; or if you buy it from a 3rd party, maybe sanctions dont apply..?
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10:33 matey; i try not to get things from amazon, even from stores
10:33 matey; but i also know that (even when i dont know) sometimes stores are stocking from amazon
10:34 matey; especially smaller stores (get things from amazon all the time)
10:34 matey; i still prefer buying in person-- but its not a sure way to avoid money going to giafam
10:35 matey; as to how i deal with that-- its an imperfect world, just try within reason
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10:35 matey; i dont grill the owners
10:35 matey; "WHERE ARE THE OTHER STOCK COMING FROM?"
10:35 matey; "i swear i dont know"
10:35 matey; "SWEAR TO ME!!!!"
10:36 matey; but if i know, im way less likely to purchase it
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10:47 schestowitz_TR; <matey> or if you buy it from a 3rd party, maybe sanctions dont apply..?
10:47 schestowitz_TR; china.
10:47 schestowitz_TR; iran also buys from china.
10:48 schestowitz_TR; <techrights-news> "The Enemy Always Adapts" https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/25/why-sanctions-always-fail/ | Source: Scheerpost
10:48 TR Bot; Sanctions Always Fail scheerpost.com
10:48 schestowitz_TR; <techrights-news> The corporate media hardly paid attention https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/afghanistan_earthquake_hunger_1_000_people | Source: Democracy Now
10:48 TR Bot; Earthquake in Afghanistan Kills 1,000+. As Death Toll Rises, U.S. Sanctions Limit International Aid | Democracy Now!
10:48 schestowitz_TR; both new ^
10:49 matey; chip is russian
10:49 matey; hence the question
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10:50 matey; not in china, so not asking if they can
10:51 matey; maybe the west can if they get it indirectly
10:51 matey; somehow i dont think that means canadians can sell cuban cigars
10:51 TR News; What is next for Open Source- Alma Linux and beyond | Business Insider India https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/enterprise/what-is-next-for-open-source-alma-linux-and-beyond/articleshow/92482817.cms Source: businessinsider
10:51 TR Bot; What is next for Open Source- Alma Linux and beyond | Business Insider India
10:51 matey; maybe its complicated (maybe it isnt)
10:53 matey; maybe if you try to buy a chinese board with a russian chip where there are sanctions, it gets stopped by customs
10:53 matey; this is academic, since im not in the market for a mb
10:54 psydroid3; I wasn't even looking for news on that motherboard, but I stumbled upon it, as usual
10:55 TR News; Mozilla Firefox 102 Is Now Available for Download, Adds Geoclue Support on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166528
10:55 TR Bot; Mozilla Firefox 102 Is Now Available for Download, Adds Geoclue Support on Linux | Tux Machines
10:55 matey; its a shame you dont run a site called "hardware news"
10:55 matey; that would be brilliant
10:55 matey; id check out regularly
10:56 schestowitz_TR; tomshardware is good
10:56 schestowitz_TR; I follow that via rss
10:57 matey; toms hw, like phoronix, has loads of information thats perfectly useless to me
10:57 matey; im not saying its as bad as phoronix
10:57 schestowitz_TR; https://www.tomshardware.com/feeds/all
10:57 matey; what i mean is
10:57 schestowitz_TR; but they have soma spam , e.g. https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-gaming-chairs
10:57 TR Bot; Best Gaming Chairs 2022 | Tom's Hardware
10:57 matey; its a hardware site for everyone
10:58 matey; not people interested in the most libre / cheapest / most efficient / non-x86 / etc
10:58 matey; it would be way more useful to have a hw site that was relevant to what i would go to a hw site for
10:59 matey; run by someone who understands those things and doesnt waste my time with...
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10:59 matey; intel and amd, along with best-picks/best-gaming-chairs
10:59 matey; i already get plenty of intel and amd without trying
10:59 matey; i dont need the up to date on what is essentially hardware bloat
11:00 matey; bloatware in silicon
11:00 matey; though news on the latest malicious (stock) firmware could be useful, if theres something new
11:00 matey; like a mention of pluton at least
11:01 matey; or azure rtos
11:01 TR News; With a budget like this, there's no excuse for running vandalOS from Microsoft https://www.tomshardware.com/news/mars-probe-gets-windows-98-update
11:01 TR Bot; Mars Probe Running OS Developed in Windows 98 Receives Software Update in Space | Tom's Hardware
11:01 TR News; Excellent Utilities: Extension Manager - Browse, Install and Manage GNOME Shell Extensions Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166529
11:01 TR Bot; Excellent Utilities: Extension Manager - Browse, Install and Manage GNOME Shell Extensions | Tux Machines
11:01 TR News; Raspberry Pi Zero Prints Giant Pictures with Thermal Receipt Printer Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166530
11:01 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi Zero Prints Giant Pictures with Thermal Receipt Printer | Tux Machines
11:01 psydroid3; it has become this self-sustaining machine that can't be made to stop
11:02 psydroid3; things always have to get faster and more expensive with a healthy dose of plutonite thrown in
11:02 matey; and more expensive <-
11:02 matey; and NEW!
11:02 matey; its been a year, go buy another one
11:03 matey; maybe eventually theyll do like hp cartridges and those dumb speakers
11:03 matey; and simply brick themselves after 500 days
11:03 psydroid3; but that's essentially what the x86 computer has become
11:04 matey; "your cpu subscription is nearing the renewal date"
11:04 matey; but that's essentially what the x86 computer has become <- yeah
11:04 psydroid3; after a few years it doesn't make economic sense to run a machine anymore due to electricity cost alone
11:05 matey; you only do it for compatibility or something
11:05 matey; i have some low-powered laptops it still makes sense to run
11:05 matey; they dont make them anymore
11:05 matey; but these are exceptions to your rule
11:05 psydroid3; what I want is the cheapest machine with the lowest operating cost that can do the job and which I can repurpose later
11:05 matey; they dont change the validity of the rule
11:06 psydroid3; this is how I've used my 5W ARM SBC for 5 years now
11:06 matey; yeah, a website with that angle on hardware would be cool
11:06 psydroid3; I'll find another purpose for it in the future when I've found a replacement
11:07 psydroid3; such a website doesn't sell hardware, it will be the antithesis of hardware capitalism
11:07 matey; yes :)
11:07 matey; it would be a hardware website for users, not oems
11:07 psydroid3; and no one wants to wake sleeping giants, so they just continue doing what they're doing, even if it means bugger all
11:08 psydroid3; indeed
11:08 psydroid3; it will be EEE'd the same way free software has been EEE'd
11:09 matey; free software is fixable
11:09 matey; it will have to rebuild of course
11:09 psydroid3; hardware OEMs would consider the operator of such a site enemy no. 1
11:09 psydroid3; yes
11:09 matey; yeah i mean, youd probably want to run that website as an onion service at least
11:10 matey; nice thing about that is, you dont have to bother with dns then
11:12 psydroid3; as for the compatibility thing, that's mainly an issue for closed source software
11:12 psydroid3; so we should call it what it is
11:12 matey; true but
11:13 matey; not entirely
11:13 matey; if you look at the support for non-x86 across the distros
11:13 matey; a LOT of them focus on x86, sometimes exclusively
11:13 matey; even projects that support several archs dont support them equally
11:14 matey; most projects arent built to be 100% cross platform
11:14 matey; unless that means like 2 archs
11:14 matey; then theres drivers, and driver availability
11:14 matey; so even with free software, compatibility is still a real issue
11:14 matey; one that cant simply be ignored
11:15 matey; it affects me personally, routinely
11:15 matey; it will improve of course-- over time
11:15 matey; its not a dealbreaker, its something that makes all of this take longer
11:15 matey; but thats all the more reason a hardware website would be useful
11:16 matey; the only one i can think of with such an angle is all about gnu/linux only
11:16 matey; not useful to me
11:16 matey; hnode
11:16 matey; afaik hnode is mostly about gnu/linux
11:16 matey; also like tomshw they consider x86 useful
11:17 matey; x86 information isnt something i need
11:17 matey; its just noise/spam for my purposes
11:17 matey; HOW MANY CORES NOW
11:17 matey; wtf cares
11:17 matey; really good for running games!
11:18 matey; how about "works with your os"
11:18 psydroid3; while you can buy some cheap used machine when you really need it
11:18 matey; yeah
11:18 matey; thats always x86 sadly
11:18 matey; but i dont need a website for that
11:18 psydroid3; they've been trying to put an end to that by locking processors to motherboards or at least OEMs
11:18 matey; i just install and it works or it doesnt and i try a little more but ultimately if its not compatible im going to chuck it
11:19 matey; usually works so
11:19 matey; i need a website to tell me what i DONT know
11:19 matey; i know very little about arm
11:19 matey; or risc v
11:19 psydroid3; so an AMD EPYC processor that was once in an HPE motherboard might not work in a Dell motherboard
11:19 psydroid3; and vice versa
11:19 matey; yeah but if i see amd i just keep walking
11:19 matey; i liked when they were the underdog
11:20 matey; now theyre just shit
11:20 psydroid3; that's the kind of thing the industry is trying to pull off now
11:20 psydroid3; yeah
11:20 psydroid3; for me it was AMD 2001-2009 (RIP)
11:20 matey; yeah its 2022
11:20 TR News; curl 7.84.0 inside every box https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/06/27/curl-7-84-0-inside-every-box/
11:20 TR Bot; 7.84.0 inside every box | daniel.haxx.se
11:21 matey; only time i see amd its in some recalled hp piece of shit
11:21 matey; and as soon as i see that style of laptop i just laugh and ignore it
11:21 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166531
11:21 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
11:21 psydroid3; AMD made it look as if they were the new champion for the past few years
11:21 matey; same goes for the amd logo-- if i see it i laugh and ignore it
11:21 psydroid3; and they are to some extent in the x86 world
11:22 matey; i know its 99% likely to be a turd
11:22 matey; not really interested in the exceptions
11:22 matey; and im not saying that as an intel fan, i dont actually like intel at all
11:22 matey; which is exactly why i wish there was a website like im describing
11:23 matey; i liked amd solely because it was an intel alternative
11:23 psydroid3; but the world is catching up, so it may turn out to have been only a temporary victory
11:23 TR News; Buzzwords overload in this ICBM headline https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/caid-services
11:23 TR Bot; How Cloud AI Developer Services empower developers | The Enterprisers Project
11:23 matey; thats what made it cool
11:23 matey; its not that anymore, so its useless
11:23 psydroid3; yeah, me too
11:23 matey; amd will never be cool again
11:23 hollander; both Intel and AMD are headquarted in and controlled by the sillicon valley cartell california
11:23 matey; maybe they can sponsor the fsf since neither serves any real purpose
11:24 hollander; the follow along the exact same marketing and political strategies
11:24 hollander; y
11:24 matey; no ones defending intel here
11:24 matey; intel doesnt make good chips anymore
11:24 matey; they only make things we would like to get away from
11:25 hollander; it's the entire platform which sucks
11:25 matey; thats what we are saying
11:26 matey; a nice route away from x86 would be lovely
11:26 matey; as things are its a little rocky
11:26 matey; but expected to get nicer
11:27 matey; /me thinks the x in x86 must stand for "we are all a bunch of arseholes that couldnt care less what you want to buy"
11:27 hollander; problem is this cartell from sillicon valley, got total control over the entire supply chain, manufacturing and design
11:27 hollander; even if, you jumped onto RISC-V, i bet, some Xilinx or Altera tooling (amd,intel) are required
11:28 matey; yeah, plus the fsf cant even make a free compiler
11:28 hollander; they could and they did, and ruined their own prime free software product
11:28 matey; seriously, you AGAIN?
11:28 hollander; who?
11:29 matey; lol
11:29 schestowitz_TR; activelow?
11:29 schestowitz_TR; activelol
11:30 schestowitz_TR; you can use the same name
11:30 schestowitz_TR; nobody will ban you
11:30 schestowitz_TR; if you keep changing name it makes it look like the channel has many people with radical poliitical vies
11:30 schestowitz_TR; which is what #techpol exists for
11:31 matey; no it just looks like one guy thinks we are fooled that easily
11:31 matey; when his rhetoric is always identical
11:31 hollander; i am female
11:31 matey; machine learning not required for a fingerprint
11:31 matey; i am female <- you sound exactly like another chatter we have
11:31 matey; no worries
11:31 schestowitz_TR; hollander: i';m eveyr woman
11:32 matey; if youre them we will figure it out quickly as he always says the same things
11:32 matey; if youre not-- thats not a problem either
11:32 schestowitz_TR; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=H7_sqdkaAfo
11:32 TR Bot; Whitney Houston - I'm Every Woman (Official Video) - Invidious
11:32 matey; <hollander> i am female <- are you german?
11:32 schestowitz_TR; hard to believe she's dead so young
11:32 hollander; dutch
11:32 schestowitz_TR; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DVDCNmdi7QI
11:32 matey; wait, chaka khan died?
11:33 TR Bot; Chaka Khan - I'm Every Woman (Official Music Video) - Invidious
11:33 schestowitz_TR; not deutsch?
11:33 matey; oh you mean whitney
11:33 schestowitz_TR; I once went to a hotel
11:33 schestowitz_TR; gave my passport to book
11:33 schestowitz_TR; and they wrote dutch
11:33 matey; whitney did drugs with her piece of shit husband
11:33 schestowitz_TR; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MxMH2YaYN0A
11:33 TR Bot; Whitney Houston - I'm Every Woman - Invidious
11:33 matey; im not judging, i liked whitney
11:33 schestowitz_TR; matey: then the daughter killed herself too
11:34 matey; well, except she was lousy to dolly
11:34 schestowitz_TR; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dQ5rJE-KWJg
11:34 matey; but other than that
11:34 TR Bot; Whitney Houston - I'm Every Woman (Live from The Concert for a New South Africa) - Invidious
11:34 matey; matey: then the daughter killed herself too <- didnt know she even had kids
11:34 matey; i was only a fan of her music
11:34 TR News; Accessibility in Fedora Workstation Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166532
11:34 TR Bot; Accessibility in Fedora Workstation | Tux Machines
11:34 matey; but the news still reports shit
11:34 matey; i remember when "i wanna dance with somebody" first came out
11:35 schestowitz_TR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbi_Kristina_Brown
11:35 TR Bot; Bobbi Kristina Brown - Wikipedia
11:35 matey; what a shame
11:35 schestowitz_TR; BornMarch 4, 1993
11:35 schestowitz_TR; Livingston, New Jersey, U.S.
11:35 schestowitz_TR; DiedJuly 26, 2015 (aged 22)
11:35 schestowitz_TR; Duluth, Georgia, U.S.
11:35 matey; my guess is that family was utterly fucked because of dad
11:36 matey; i dont always blame the dad
11:36 matey; but when the dad is bobby brown, then yeah
11:36 schestowitz_TR; "On January 31, 2015, Brown was found unconscious in a bathtub in her home, which was similar to the fate of her mother. After being in a coma for nearly six months, Brown died from lobar pneumonia on July 26, 2015, at the age of 22. After her death, her life was the subject of a television movie in 2017 and a documentary in 2021.
11:36 schestowitz_TR; "
11:36 matey; awdul
11:36 matey; awful
11:37 matey; two identical suicides is suspicious though
11:37 schestowitz_TR; "Brown died in hospice care on July 26, 2015, at age 22. Her death was considered similar to her mother's death, as both had died from effects of being submerged in a bathtub."
11:37 matey; browns a psycho, they should at least consider a double murder
11:37 matey; im not saying hes a killer-- just that they should think about it
11:37 matey; either way hes truly awful
11:38 matey; two identical suicides is weird imo, red flag
11:38 matey; hopefully they think so too
11:38 matey; brb
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11:40 schestowitz_TR; they even look similar
11:41 TR News; What is distributed consensus for site reliability engineering? | https://opensource.com/article/22/6/distributed-consensus-site-reliability-engineering Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
11:41 TR Bot; is distributed consensus for site reliability engineering? | Opensource.com
11:41 TR News; ICE-V Wireless FPGA board combines Lattice Semi iCE40 UltraPlus with WiFi & BLE module - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/27/ice-v-wireless-fpga-board-lattice-semi-ice40-fpga-wifi-ble-module/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
11:42 TR Bot; ICE-V Wireless FPGA board combines Lattice Semi iCE40 UltraPlus with WiFi & BLE module - CNX Software
11:42 hollander; the lattice semi boards got some free/opensource support, which is remarkebl
11:42 hollander; initially, some project was hosted, in Austria, although they relocated their website now
11:42 hollander; remarkable
11:42 TR News; SUSE shills SAP (Proprietary Crap) instead of SLE*, which is only a footnote here. The company is run by salesmen, not FOSS people. https://www.suse.com/c/claas-prepares-for-innovation-and-growth-with-suse/
11:42 TR Bot; prepares for innovation and growth with SUSE | SUSE Communities
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11:43 hollander; those evil austrians, offering free/opensource digital circuit development tooling
11:43 schestowitz_TR; <techrights-news> "Yesterday I went up to the Embedded World trade fair in Nuremburg, Germany" https://hackaday.com/2022/06/25/hacker-diary-embedded-world-2022/ | Source: Hackaday
11:43 TR Bot; Diary: Embedded World 2022 | Hackaday
11:43 schestowitz_TR;
11:43 schestowitz_TR; hollander: did you go?
11:43 hollander; sadly, the iCE40 boards are slightly limited
11:43 matey; /me wonders if chaka khan (who wrote / performed the song originally) will ever get out out scientology (or if she did already)
11:43 hollander; schestowitz_TR: go where?
11:43 matey; tom and travolta have one foot out the door
11:44 schestowitz_TR; Embedded World trade fai
11:44 hollander; schestowitz_TR: no
11:44 matey; my favourites were lea h remini and chaka khan, and remini already left
11:44 schestowitz_TR; I was gonna ask you yesterday when I posted this
11:44 schestowitz_TR; but you're a cliusterbomb of nyms
11:44 hollander; had visited the IBC amsterdam once, 10 years ago
11:45 hollander; although, it's rather boring, for a developer, imo
11:45 schestowitz_TR; I did know kahn had entered the cult
11:45 schestowitz_TR; how can they recruit all those cleebs?
11:45 hollander; only if, for example, some prominence attends and you wanted to talk to them
11:45 schestowitz_TR; I'm sure some people studied the phenomoneon
11:45 matey; if hollander is alf theyre putting on a far more convincing show than usual
11:45 matey; im prepared to believe them for now
11:45 schestowitz_TR; or maybew those celebs is how they recruit and keep relevamnt
11:45 matey; hes not banned by the way
11:45 matey; we just make fun of him
11:45 schestowitz_TR; nobody is banned
11:45 hollander; Andrew Tanenbaum visited Nuernberg once, although i didn't take the chance to talk to him
11:46 schestowitz_TR; except a bot that went crazy a few days ago
11:46 schestowitz_TR; ttthat bot is still on the network
11:46 schestowitz_TR; but in 2 oher channels
11:46 matey; and that was a technical ban
11:46 schestowitz_TR; Tanenbaum is a hollander
11:46 schestowitz_TR; right next to you ;-)
11:46 hollander; no, American
11:46 schestowitz_TR; oh
11:46 matey; <schestowitz_TR> how can they recruit all those cleebs? <- narcissists are too busy manipulating people to think it cant happen to them
11:47 hollander; yet, he chose to live in Amsterdam
11:47 matey; so the "church" targets narcs, psychos and other people who are vulnerable
11:47 schestowitz_TR; dual natgional
11:47 schestowitz_TR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_S._Tanenbaum
11:47 TR Bot; Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Wikipedia
11:47 schestowitz_TR; but if you met him, you might attack his jewishness or something, so...
11:47 matey; not everyone in hollywood is narcissistic buts it a very narcissistic industry
11:48 schestowitz_TR; hollywood is Ok withn cults
11:48 schestowitz_TR; just don't criticise the chief in hollywood
11:48 schestowitz_TR; or wars
11:48 schestowitz_TR; like fonda
11:48 schestowitz_TR; also, do what they tell in in the casting couch
11:48 schestowitz_TR; acting is not that hard
11:49 schestowitz_TR; lots of competition
11:49 schestowitz_TR; so act like they tel you
11:49 schestowitz_TR; fix your act
11:49 schestowitz_TR; "action!"
11:49 schestowitz_TR; turns out they select for looks
11:49 schestowitz_TR; but not for audiences
11:49 schestowitz_TR; but for producers
11:50 matey; like fonda <- heh
11:50 hollander; schestowitz_TR> but if you met him, you might attack his jewishness or something, so
11:50 hollander; pardon?
11:51 hollander; it's somewhat ironic nonetheless
11:51 matey; no need to grill them, if theyre our person theyll act like it soon enough
11:51 hollander; it was Intel who cheated Andrew, grabbing minix and put it into IntelME, without telling A. Tanenbaum
11:51 hollander; although, i do hate Intel, for other reasons besides such
11:52 matey; also this is a totally different subject, which is new
11:52 schestowitz_TR; they lost conmtrol of fonda
11:52 schestowitz_TR; she was not tighly controlled or capturd by some cult
11:52 matey; cool
12:10 TR News; f2fs: introduce memory mode https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jaegeuk/f2fs.git/commit/?h=dev&id=e7a0035ff8a5bd4fabe710571351cc7de09aeac5
12:10 TR Bot; kernel/git/jaegeuk/f2fs.git - The f2fs filesystem
12:15 TR News; Online disinformation stokes tensions as Kenya elections near https://www.reuters.com/article/kenya-tech-election/feature-online-disinformation-stokes-tensions-as-kenya-elections-near-idINL4N2Y22HF
12:15 TR Bot; disinformation stokes tensions as Kenya elections near | Reuters
12:15 TR News; EU steps up efforts to rein in rising problem of fake news, conference told https://www.eureporter.co/politics/european-commission/2022/06/24/eu-steps-up-efforts-to-rein-in-rising-problem-of-fake-news-conference-told/
12:15 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.eureporter.co/politics/european-commission/2022/06/24/eu-steps-up-efforts-to-rein-in-rising-problem-of-fake-news-conference-told/ )
12:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:32 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166533
12:32 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
12:32 TR News; Donating to FLOSS projects gemini://rwv.io/2022-06-27-donating-to-floss-projects.gmi
12:34 TR News; Relative degrees gemini://idiomdrottning.org/relative-degrees "Consumtion-based CO2e footprint per capita in Sweden: 7.14 metric tons. In India: 1.67 metric tons."
12:53 hollander; ^ India cut down rain-forest not accounted for with such metric tons
12:53 hollander; population growth in india was/is excessive
12:56 hollander; furthermore, the cultural sphere of india, spans across half the globe, from afghanistan to indonesia
12:57 hollander; with similar economical habits of excess harm done to ecology wherever they appear
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 6.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
12:59 schestowitz_TR; india creates a lot less pollution
12:59 hollander; whenever the climat politics boil up, it's nothing but propaganda and lies, perpetuated by a bureaucratic apparatus of the self-proclaimed "UN"
12:59 hollander; schestowitz_TR: india is shitting millions of tons of plastic into the ocean
12:59 schestowitz_TR; what do you know, you are a just a "dutch lady"?
13:00 hollander; i read newspapers outside the propaganda realm of UN
13:01 hollander; and if you followed recent news, it's gonne be madhouse soon... egypt for example
13:01 hollander; who, subsidized corn with cheap imports from Ukraine
13:01 hollander; glorious UN, to "safe the planet" forests are cut down in Ukraine, to plant crop for egypt and wherever else the exports shipped
13:02 hollander; and how generous UN is, to redistribute corn and cash, none of which they planted nor earned themselves
13:04 hollander; remembering DJT, who planned for leaving UN, sleepy Joe following along the agenda
13:04 hollander; and buddy vladimir shouting over the fence, G7 nations may arrange for corn shipments at friendship discount themselves now
13:07 schestowitz_TR; hollander: better post this in #techpol
13:07 schestowitz_TR; it's not a tech issue by any stretch of imaagination
13:07 hollander; "NATO calls troops of 300000 man on alert"
13:11 TR News; "After two virtual conferences, GUADEC is finally getting back to its physical form. And there couldnt be a better place for us to meet again than Mexico! If you havent registered yet, hurry up!" https://feborg.es/see-you-in-guadec2022/
13:11 TR Bot; See you in GUADEC! Felipe Borges
13:12 schestowitz_TR; hollander: they obstruct you from being "liberated" by putin?
13:12 hollander; schestowitz_TR ?
13:13 hollander; it was/is not russians nor putin who posed a threat to global security or my individual one.
13:14 schestowitz_TR; anyway, #techpol exists for this
13:14 schestowitz_TR; you set it up
13:16 hollander; ok; it's just this propaganda was spilled into _this_ channel gemini://idiomdrottning.org/relative-degrees "Consumtion-based CO2e footprint per capita in Sweden metric tons. In India: 1.67 metric tons."
13:17 TR News; Digitally signing PDF documents in Linux: with hardware token & Okular Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166534
13:17 TR Bot; Digitally signing PDF documents in Linux: with hardware token & Okular | Tux Machines
13:18 schestowitz_TR; all the gemini links go here
13:18 schestowitz_TR; as we try to promote higher usage numbers in geminispace
13:18 schestowitz_TR; that also speaksd of scientific alements
13:19 schestowitz_TR; of the industrial cost
13:19 schestowitz_TR; in terms of polluition of carcons
13:19 schestowitz_TR; emission of carbons
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13:21 TR News; ESP32 board with 150Mbps 4G LTE modem also supports RS485, CAN Bus, and relay expansion - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/27/esp32-board-with-150mbps-4g-lte-modem-also-supports-rs485-can-bus-and-relay-expansion/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
13:21 TR Bot; ESP32 board with 150Mbps 4G LTE modem also supports RS485, CAN Bus, and relay expansion - CNX Software
13:30 TR News; Links 27/06/2022: New Curl and Okular Digital Signing | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/okular-digital-signing/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/okular-digital-signing/
13:30 TR Bot; Links 27/06/2022: New Curl and Okular Digital Signing | Techrights
13:31 TR News; Red Hat Servers, and AlmaLinux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166535
13:31 TR Bot; Red Hat Servers, and AlmaLinux | Tux Machines
13:32 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166536
13:32 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
13:32 matey; /me found a wife for dockor sixel
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13:33 matey; just create a channel called #rightwinghypocritecunts
13:34 SomeH4x0r; created, until I leave
13:35 matey; she really is exactly like herr doktor
13:35 matey; and yet different somehow
13:35 SomeH4x0r; I wonder if anyone else joins
13:35 matey; hopefully they find love like adolf and eva
13:36 matey; and possibly share a taste for cyanide and chocolate
13:36 matey; INVITE (matey #rightwinghypocritecunts) <- im old fashioned, weve still got #techrights
13:39 schestowitz_TR; we're making a new section today for gemini
13:39 schestowitz_TR; just in time
13:39 schestowitz_TR; because the number of gemini links is growingf
13:39 schestowitz_TR; it's now 10-20% of daily links \0/
13:40 matey; thats good
13:40 matey; maybe someday tr will be 100% gemini
13:40 schestowitz_TR; it is in a sense
13:40 schestowitz_TR; except for multimedia
13:40 matey; haha
13:40 schestowitz_TR; but I mean Daily Links
13:41 matey; no i know
13:41 matey; daily links
13:41 schestowitz_TR; hosting 1MB files from home can be OK
13:41 schestowitz_TR; for one or two requests
13:41 matey; yeah it would add up
13:41 schestowitz_TR; my upstream speed is copper at 80KBits/sec
13:41 schestowitz_TR; about800
13:41 schestowitz_TR; or 100KBytes max
13:42 matey; and somehow i dont think there will be a hv for serving gemini
13:42 schestowitz_TR; if ti takes up all cpaacity
13:42 schestowitz_TR; and no bottlenecks elsewhere
13:42 schestowitz_TR; the web became bloated
13:42 schestowitz_TR; it' a form of vendor lockin
13:42 matey; yes it did
13:42 schestowitz_TR; 2MB for a font
13:42 schestowitz_TR; good luck shipping such fonts from home to even 20 people
13:42 matey; i think webfonts are still optional
13:43 schestowitz_TR; for some clients
13:43 schestowitz_TR; some insist n getting them
13:43 schestowitz_TR; some prerender withouit them
13:43 matey; citation needed
13:43 schestowitz_TR; while downloading them
13:43 schestowitz_TR; and then superimpiosing the new fonts
13:43 schestowitz_TR; usually googlefonts
13:43 matey; well, i think google can handle the bandwidth
13:43 matey; it wont affect the website owner
13:43 schestowitz_TR; it's not about bw
13:43 schestowitz_TR; it's about spying
13:43 matey; mmhmm
13:43 schestowitz_TR; some gov sites added these
13:44 schestowitz_TR; EU not happy
13:44 schestowitz_TR; it says host them locally if you must
13:44 matey; good luck shipping such fonts from home to even 20 people <- i was responding to this
13:44 schestowitz_TR; EU is useless when it comes to tech
13:44 schestowitz_TR; it's too primitive and soft
13:44 matey; of course, the coke hamster has other things to attend to
13:44 matey; it's too primitive and soft <- its too much in the pocket of the industry
13:44 matey; by far
13:45 matey; it supports additional spying and censorship
13:45 matey; not for the good of the people whatsoever
13:45 matey; this is why not everyone who thinks its a farce is on the right
13:45 matey; of course for the right its about oh no, what if i see more brown people
13:46 matey; though i dont think the answer is to just drop the borders all at once either
13:46 matey; i mean theres should be sanity at least
13:46 matey; but others want to get rid of immigration
13:46 matey; because they imagine the land belongs to a race, not to a country
13:47 matey; when it comes to politics, most people appear nuts
13:47 matey; not least of all the politicians
13:47 matey; the media is no help
13:47 matey; the corporations dont make things better
13:48 matey; everyones being exploited one way or another
13:58 TR News; ANN: nofer - a gemini to gopher bridge gemini://tozip.chickenkiller.com/2022-06-27-nofer-ann.gmi
14:00 hollander; "matey> but others want to get rid of immigration"
14:01 hollander; uncontrolled mass migration
14:01 hollander; even then, the cheap workforce corporations demand, requires housing
14:01 hollander; which is the twist, if rents are jacked up, even housing is missing
14:01 hollander; when
14:08 hollander; "matey> because they imagine the land belongs to a race, not to a country"
14:08 hollander; that's not some arbitrary thinking, respecting national borders is crucial to international law
14:09 hollander; elaborating beyond this, comitting ethnocide by replacing entire populations with a culture and language of several thousands of years of history
14:09 hollander; that's among the most severe crimes sanctioned by international law
14:10 schestowitz_TR; wrong channel, michael
14:10 schestowitz_TR; use #techpol
14:10 hollander; schestowitz_TR: tell this to matey
14:10 schestowitz_TR; this is not an on-topic rant
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14:21 TR News; SpellBinding: TCEJORB Wordo: COIFS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-06-27.gmi
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14:22 TR News; THE COUNTRY OF THE BLIND added to library. gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/library/Wells/Country_of_the_Blind.gmi
14:22 TR News; THE DOOR IN THE WALL added to library. gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/library/Wells/Door_in_the_Wall.gmi
14:25 schestowitz_TR; done, nowe have have section with subsection for gemini stuff
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14:33 TR News; GnuCash 4.11 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166537
14:33 TR Bot; GnuCash 4.11 | Tux Machines
14:40 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166538
14:40 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:44 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22062475
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14:58 TR News; Gemini Graduating to First-Class Citizen | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/gemini-daily-links/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/gemini-daily-links/
14:58 TR Bot; Gemini Graduating to First-Class Citizen | Techrights
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 6.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
15:02 TR News; Survey: EPO staff dont trust top management, concerns about quality http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/06/27/survey-epo-staff-dont-trust-top-management-concerns-about-quality/
15:03 TR Bot; Survey: EPO staff dont trust top management, concerns about quality - Kluwer Patent Blog
15:08 hollander; one noteworthy victim of the C11/c++ attack against the toolchain/gcc: recent net-dns/bind fails compilation with gcc-4.7/c99
15:09 hollander; in parallel older versions of net-dns/bind cannot compile/link against a recent libressl/openssl anymore
15:10 hollander; bind is an internet standards consortium license piece of software, i might add
15:11 hollander; and with both, c11 and ssl version requirements, older versions are forced to phase-out
15:13 hollander; net-dns/bind had low priority here, I only kept it for the reason standard components should remain
15:14 hollander; reminds me, of bearssl-libtls, although some crucial software doesn't support it yet, to remove openssl/libressl entirely
15:15 hollander; at least, gnutls is gone already, not needed anymore, given my experiences with GNU/FSF components
15:16 hollander; given what GNU/FSF did to GCC, thank you very much for this, for the sake of it, glib too was removed
15:23 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/see-something-new-everyday-mildly-interesting-reddit-4.jpg
15:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
15:32 TR News; "the priority is pretty darn stark right now and its called Earth." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/communism-against-earth
15:34 matey; mjg59 Ok for people who believe that getting packages from distros is meaningfully more secure than getting them from language-specific repos - what threats do you believe are actually mitigated there?
15:34 matey; first and foremost, language repos are more lax about licenses and sometimes include things an fsf-approved distro wouldnt
15:35 matey; but you asked about security, and im guessing the fsf advice on such repos translated into people feeling non-free/insecure which i sympathis with, even if its clearly a fallacy
15:35 matey; sympathise != fully agree
15:35 matey; so i think thats one reason people feel that way
15:35 matey; but theres another factor, maybe
15:36 matey; language repos tend to just be fucking ginormous and inclusive of everything thrown at them
15:36 matey; im sure theres SOME qc, but i think the notion is theres less.
15:36 matey; one fine example, is that supply chain shit we just had on npm.
15:36 matey; which is probably what led to your question
15:37 matey; so in theory, theres nothing inherently more secure. in practice, it happens
15:37 matey; and im not even sure of that
15:37 hollander; another victim of the recent openssl/libressl version bump: an old ircd-hybrid version (7.3), which i kept as an emergency option for some stable and secure ircd
15:37 matey; either there are misconceptions at work here-- or the "misconceptions" (read: assumptions) are actually correct in practice
15:37 matey; in theory theres no difference. but you know what they say--
15:37 matey; the difference between theory and practice is that in theory, theres no difference
15:38 hollander; ircd-hybrid v7.3 doesn't compile/link against recent openssl/libressl... it did for almost a decade
15:38 matey; so lets move from theory to practice: in the past 20 years, have language repos NOT been shown to contain more malware / crap than distro repos?
15:38 matey; i realise that malware / crap can find its way into a distribution
15:38 matey; and it does
15:39 matey; has that not happened less?
15:39 matey; is it not as simple as the difference between running through a field with 10 people firing in the same general direction, and running through a field with 100 people doing that?
15:40 matey; i believe the language repos are LESS discriminate. that sole factor would make me more wary of them
15:40 matey; but if im wrong, i would be interested in learning more
15:40 matey; fascinated, in fact
15:40 matey; sometimes assumptions are wrong
15:41 hollander; typically, if some precious piece of software fails with an upgraded dependency, i block the dependency upgrade
15:42 hollander; however, with openssl/libressl the tendency is it must be upgraded to remain interoperable with other services
15:42 matey; debian (i think youve done packaging for them, maybe im thinking of someone else) even used to have more-trusted / less trusted categories, or am i thinking of ubuntu?
15:43 hollander; in case of ircd-hybrid v7.3, this would mean at some time in the near future the supported old openssl/libressl might cause issues with new clients and their updated ssl libs
15:43 hollander; so, either, i upgrade libressl/openssl and loose some precious piece of software, or i could keep the ircd in question and loose interoperability with clients
15:43 hollander; it's just an exemplary case
15:44 matey; like there were trusted packagers and other packages would be unvetted or something, and aptitude would show a warning worthy of b-9 from lost in space waving his arms around at will robinson
15:44 matey; maybe thats why people think language repos are less secure
15:44 TR News; [Meme] The World Wide Web Has Become Bloated and Slow | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/bloated-www/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/bloated-www/
15:45 TR Bot; [Meme] The World Wide Web Has Become Bloated and Slow | Techrights
15:45 matey; <matey> i realise that malware / crap can find its way into a distribution <- from red hat, for example
15:46 matey; and once theyve decided to include it at everyone elses expense, good luck getting it out of there again
15:49 hollander; as far as security was concerned with such updates, recently i re-considered a downgrade to an ancient sshv1 implementation
15:49 hollander; didn't study in detail yet, why sshv1 was phased out, only noticed the dropbear implementation limits RSA key size which some ancient sshv1 server didn't
15:50 TR News; "Happy Friday, everyone --let's review the Apache community's activities from over the past week..." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-news-round-up262
15:50 TR Bot; The Apache News Round-up: week ending 24 June 2022 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog
15:51 hollander; furthermore, i wiped wireguard and ipsec, and only rely on ssh for tunneling, such as NFS
15:51 hollander; which was, somewhat slow with the typical ciphers, so i tested my non-primitive recurse scrambler design, which boosted data-rate with tunneled NFS 10x in comparison to twofish
15:52 hollander; meaning, with sshv1 (and strong RSA), together with an optional fast scrambler implementation, i got all that's needed for VPN, with minimal dependencies
15:52 TR News; Our partners in Russia human rights and freedom of expression organizations do believe its going to get worse and worse, Natalia Krapiva, Tech-Legal Counsel at Access Now, told DW in regards to the growing censorship and website blocking in Russia. https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
15:53 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now
15:53 TR News; Indian CERTs Directions will weaken cybersecurity and privacy: experts call for deferral and public consultation - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/india-cert-in-directions-experts/ Source: accessnow
15:53 TR Bot; Indian CERTs Directions will weaken cybersecurity and privacy: experts call for deferral and public consultation - Access Now
15:53 matey; Oh FFS it's because it's the 25th anniversary of the first book being released? Come on, read the room.
15:53 matey; not only that
15:54 matey; thats the most shamelessly commercial move ive ever seen from wikipedia since i found it in the first place
15:54 matey; like how is a "25th anniversary" of a novel relevant to an encyclopedia? no, really
15:54 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166539
15:54 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
15:55 TR News; Red Hat Hires a Blind Software Engineer to Improve Accessibility on Linux Desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166540
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15:55 matey; whats next, feature microsoft on the front page whenever windows changes their number (if they do again, which they probably will)
15:56 matey; and if its about the book... why not feature the article on hp itself?
15:56 matey; it makes no sense
15:56 TR News; How To Choose The Correct Free Software for You https://medevel.com/how-to-choose-the-correct-open-source-software-for-you/
15:56 TR Bot; How To Choose The Correct Open-source Software for You
15:56 matey; "whats this got to do with tech" nothing, wikipedia isnt an online encyclopedia
15:56 matey; it isnt practically one of the 4 corners of the web at this point
15:57 matey; and its only relevant when youtube does weird shit because google
15:57 TR News; Self-host a Ghost Blog With Traefik https://linuxhandbook.com/self-host-ghost-traefik/ Source: LinuxHandbook | GNU | Linux
15:57 TR Bot; Self-host a Ghost Blog With Traefik
15:59 TR News; Tips For Stateful Kubernetes Data Backup And Recovery - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/tips-for-stateful-kubernetes-data-backup-and-recovery/ Source: containerjournal
15:59 TR Bot; Tips For Stateful Kubernetes Data Backup And Recovery - Container Journal
16:02 TR News; In Slashdot today: How a Turkish Municipal District Switched to GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166316#comment-34150
16:02 TR Bot; How the Eypsultan district of Turkey uses GNU/Linux | Tux Machines
16:03 hollander; not sure yet, seems to me some software is aggressively phased out (related to ssl)
16:03 TR News; Ankush Das: "Microsoft says that they love Linux and open-source, but we still do not have native support for a lot of its products on Linux." Microsoft HATES Linux.
16:04 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166541
16:04 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
16:04 hollander; ircd-hybrid-7 wasn't important, i could keep this one for more than a decade, no issues with openssl/libressl upgrades and transitions... up until recently
16:04 hollander; and too net-dns/bind was hit by this
16:05 TR News; Oversized hog because of Intel https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/zotac-pro-elkhart-lake-powered-fanless-mini-pcs-27-06-2022/
16:05 TR Bot; ZOTAC Pro Elkhart Lake powered fanless mini PCs - Geeky Gadgets
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16:06 TR News; Gemini links have become abundant enough that they justify having their own section in Daily Links instead of scattered around and blended with World Wide Web links http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/gemini-daily-links/
16:06 TR Bot; Gemini Graduating to First-Class Citizen | Techrights
16:06 TR News; The Web at 30+ is not what it was back in the 1990s; many people nowadays use tabs because pages take far too long to load (in spite of tremendous bandwidth gains; part of the problem is RAM hoard and CPU hogs) http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/bloated-www/
16:06 TR Bot; [Meme] The World Wide Web Has Become Bloated and Slow | Techrights
16:06 hollander; besides, alot of nonsense is spread, such as rc4/ssl was supposedly insecure, which it isn't because in block-mode of operation the cryptograhic strength depends on the key-schedule/hash mainly
16:07 hollander; i suspect, instead, simple and secure implementations were phased out
16:07 TR News; "If you want a game that might teach you something, try the Bash crawl adventure. Or, go write and play some BASIC games in your browser." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/26/want-a-break-from-hardware-hacking-try-bitburner/
16:07 TR Bot; A Break From Hardware Hacking? Try Bitburner | Hackaday
16:08 TR News; The Register now abuses the Linux brand to describe something of Microsoft, which is attacking Linux https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/27/can_sonic_be_the_linux/
16:08 TR Bot; Can SONiC be the Linux of Networking? The Register
16:09 hollander; during cold-war era, crypto was sanctioned for export, until year 2001 situation slightly relaxed (which is why gpg-1.4, sshv1, and various other software existed)
16:09 TR News; The "Linux" Foundation misuses or sells the Linux brand, diluting the name and the project's identity https://www.securities.io/cardano-roundup-lace-wallet-announcement-hoskinson-proposes-self-regulation-and-linux-foundation-membership/
16:09 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.securities.io/cardano-roundup-lace-wallet-announcement-hoskinson-proposes-self-regulation-and-linux-foundation-membership/ )
16:10 hollander; gpg1 and sshv1 aren't easily phased out entirely, although rarely used anywhere anymore
16:10 hollander; for example, with specific versions of those, 8K RSA is available
16:11 hollander; which was researched in detail, for decades
16:12 hollander; stumbled upon a crypto scheme named rabin, no time yet to review this
16:12 hollander; anyway, SSL is approaching a state i consider almost useless for what i do
16:12 hollander; such as, with the web-browsers which remain acceptable, i couldn't use online-banking or any typical online-shopping anyway
16:13 hollander; and otherwise, there isn't any software/service at all remaining which i would need to rely on SSL for anymore
16:14 TR News; Samsung, Red Hat to Work on Linux Drivers for Future Tech Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166542
16:14 TR Bot; Samsung, Red Hat to Work on Linux Drivers for Future Tech | Tux Machines
16:15 hollander; so, as far as OpenSSL etc are concerned, the "security" implication i see is to avoid any remote-code-execution vulnerability
16:15 hollander; because, i do not need nor want OpenSSL, it is typical services on the internet (wikipedia or whatetever etc) who enable this
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16:18 hollander; besides, with sixels and terminal-console only, any workflow is fully interoperable with ssh
16:18 hollander; that's why, dvtm terminal multiplexer and sixels are neat
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16:34 hollander; just imagine if, i had not any hostile intentions, then all this NATO/G7/5eye security is a kneejerk such as this:
16:35 hollander; a developer of theirs rejects the security and quality offered, not some hostile entity which was supposed to be spied upon
16:35 hollander; a skilled developer wouldn't accept any of the typical web-browsers anymore, to do whatever is necessary: search for jobs, online banking etc.
16:35 TR News; Dilution and Misuse of the "Linux" Brand Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166543
16:35 TR Bot; Dilution and Misuse of the "Linux" Brand | Tux Machines
16:39 hollander; ssl implementation probably doesn't pass acceptance-criteria for long-term reliable operation
16:39 hollander; and i didn't see the entire infrastructure behind yet (CAs), nor am i willing to
16:40 hollander; maybe, this is a disadvantage, of gemini protocol: relying on SSL for transport security
16:40 hollander; given the instabilities of the SSL protocol and it's implementations, this contradicts the philosophy of gemini slightly
16:42 *hollander disappears inside his gopher hole
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16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 6.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
17:05 TR News; Todays COVID-19 Numbers in England: Deaths Up, Hospitalisations Up Sharly, New Cases at Over 100,000 Per Week https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/27/covid-19-surge-almost-july/
17:05 TR Bot; Blog Archive Todays COVID-19 Numbers in England: Deaths Up, Hospitalisations Up Sharly, New Cases at Over 100,000 Per Week
17:13 TR News; [Meme] Its Harder to Talk About Crimes When... | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/centralised-media/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/centralised-media/
17:13 TR Bot; [Meme] Its Harder to Talk About Crimes When | Techrights
17:13 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/see-something-new-everyday-mildly-interesting-reddit-21.jpg
17:18 matey; https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/zxcvbn/reddit.com-r-mildly-interesting/
17:18 TR Bot; - Dive into anything
17:33 TR News; The Importance of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press When It Comes to EPO Corruption | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/freedom-to-explain-epo-corruption/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/freedom-to-explain-epo-corruption/
17:33 TR Bot; The Importance of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press When It Comes to EPO Corruption | Techrights
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17:36 TR News; "It has now been ten days since I first showed symptoms of COVID-19, and I've been cleared by a doctor to end my quarantine." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202206/20220627-2022-week-24-25-thoughts-and-photos.gmi
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17:43 TR News; They call it "dark Web" while at the same time telling us "blacklist" is offensive and sounds racist.
17:43 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/weekend-random-randomness-5-22-22-33.jpg
17:44 *mole (~mole@acq5qqvgi8e2a.irc) has joined #techrights
17:44 TR News; Corporate media and billionaires: only us can used terms with racist and negative connotation. Also: we buy all the major media/sites, so the Web won't talk about this double standard...
17:44 schestowitz_TR; we have a mole here ;-)
17:45 TR News; The 7 Best Drawing and Vector Editing Apps for Chromebooks https://www.makeuseof.com/best-vector-drawing-apps-for-chromebooks/ use GIMP on it ;-)
17:45 TR Bot; The 7 Best Drawing and Vector Editing Apps for Chromebooks
17:47 TR News; England COVID-19... In a simple chart (its not getting under control despite it being summertime) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/27/covid-19-surge-almost-july/
17:48 TR News; Centralised media or centralised Internet remains a peril when it comes to freedom of expression; people in privileged positions typically decide who can and who cannot express an opinion (based on personal preferences, agenda, financial motives) http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/centralised-media/
17:48 TR News; Corruption such as bribery of the media (and academia) has long gone on at the EPO; its no wonder that bribes, in addition to threats, have muzzled almost every publisher that covers EPO corruption, but there are exceptions http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/freedom-to-explain-epo-corruption/
18:01 TR News; Firefox 102 Adds GeoClue Support on Linux, Improves PDF Viewer - OMG! Ubuntu! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166528#comment-34151
18:01 TR Bot; Mozilla Firefox 102 Is Now Available for Download, Adds Geoclue Support on Linux | Tux Machines
18:03 TR News; FOSSlife Team hyping up frauds and charlatans, Gartner https://www.fosslife.org/gartner-cybersecurity-predictions-next-5-years see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
18:03 TR Bot; Gartner Cybersecurity Predictions for the Next 5 Years
18:03 TR Bot; Gartner Group - Techrights
18:04 TR News; Just boycott Reddit altogether. It's a very malicious site that posthumously lies about Aaron Swartz for self-promotional purposes. https://www.maketecheasier.com/access-deleted-comments-reddit/
18:04 TR Bot; 4 Ways to View Deleted Reddit Posts and Comments - Make Tech Easier
18:04 TR News; digiKam 7.7.0 is released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166544
18:04 TR Bot; digiKam 7.7.0 is released | Tux Machines
18:05 matey; we have a mole here <- thats a refreshing change
18:05 matey; usually its just someone from major publication come to troll
18:05 TR News; 5 out of 8 of these are Apple! https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/27/cisa-adds-eight-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
18:05 TR Bot; CISA Adds Eight Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA
18:06 matey; but a mole is exciting
18:06 matey; even glamourous
18:06 matey; like a beauty mark!
18:07 schestowitz_TR; a mole stays undercover
18:07 schestowitz_TR; no sign in view
18:07 matey; like i said, pretty exciting
18:08 matey; and a sure sign of big things being accomplished
18:08 TR News; "Here's an update on recent KDE application development on KDE.news..." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151905#comment-34152
18:08 TR Bot; Nate Graham: KDE 2021 roadmap mid-year update | Tux Machines
18:08 matey; too bad they arent pestering you... then you could say they are a "badger of honour"
18:09 matey; and on top of it being a badge of honour
18:09 matey; none of us have any way of knowing theyre here
18:10 matey; except perhaps mincer, and ariadne
18:10 matey; perhaps techrights-sec
18:10 matey; and rianne, who i may have imagined commented once but thats obviously not what shes here to do
18:11 matey; the identity of techrights-sec remains a mystery
18:11 matey; they seem older than you and i once thought they were your boss, but i dont think that now
18:11 matey; before that i thought they might be shane
18:12 matey; its not important, but you know how it is with mysteries
18:12 mole; inside the gopher hole, i was giving gemini protocol another thought
18:12 schestowitz_TR; ggood point about shane
18:12 schestowitz_TR; I wonder where he is and what he does
18:12 matey; some people lose interest in the scene
18:13 matey; i imagine he just kept getting more occupied with other things until he was no longer part of it at all
18:13 schestowitz_TR; oh, so mole is michael :-)
18:13 mole; by design gemini protocol is intruiging, however, SSL sucks
18:13 matey; /me doesnt know who michael is either
18:13 schestowitz_TR; activelow
18:13 schestowitz_TR; nothign agaionst him
18:13 schestowitz_TR; I just stroingly disagree with his political views
18:13 matey; ssl sucks <- this is too technical and scientific for me, it goes right over my head
18:14 matey; I just stroingly disagree with his political views <- oh is he a republican or something?
18:14 mole; facts aren't an opinion
18:14 mole; it's not a subjective political view, to state facts
18:14 schestowitz_TR; anyway, geopher is very simple
18:14 schestowitz_TR; too simpler
18:14 schestowitz_TR; *simple
18:14 schestowitz_TR; for something like articles
18:14 mole; granted
18:15 mole; it's not about gopher or gemini itself, it is SSL which is awful
18:15 matey; as someone who ran a gopher server, i dont miss using tabs as syntax
18:15 matey; regardless of the fact that i could generate gopher selectors from anything
18:15 matey; it is SSL which is awful <- again, this is way too technical for me
18:15 matey; "awful" "sucks"
18:15 matey; i wish someone could put it in more generic terms
18:16 mole; it is both, the standardization of it, SSL, the regular changes of it's specification, and then the implementation of it
18:16 mole; the amount of standard revisions alone: sslv1,v2,v3, then tlsv1,v1.1,1,2,1.3 etc.... how many are there?
18:16 matey; yeah
18:16 matey; when it breaks they should just leave it
18:17 matey; dont do revisions, they only confuse people
18:17 matey; thats the way to make security work
18:17 mole; the block mode operation are mostly complicated rubbish, the ciphers, i mean, it's a total distraction anyway
18:17 mole; CIA brainwashing
18:17 matey; well, to be fair, einstein wasnt a cryptologist
18:17 matey; he was BARELY a physicist!
18:17 mole; with block mode operation, the cipher strength mostly depends on the hashing of the block keys anyway
18:17 matey; so expecting the world of ssl is misguided
18:17 matey; its good enough for what it tries to do
18:18 matey; if they were serious they would use quantum cryptozoology
18:18 matey; bigfoot cipher, etc
18:18 mole; so, why are there that many different ciphers? and almost all of those ciphers are very slow and are not based on cryptographically well established designs (LFSR and related)
18:18 matey; ufo technology
18:18 matey; well they have LFSR2 now
18:18 matey; only germans use it
18:18 mole; and, the block-operation mode, can be implemented correctly, and simple and easy, once done correctly, no need for an "improvement" in decades
18:19 matey; its based on microchips they reverse engineered at roswell and of course, enigma
18:19 mole; i mean, even ECB mode can be secure, if used and implemented correctly
18:19 matey; with is superior dutch technology
18:19 mole; SSL is utter crap
18:19 matey; i have a shirt that says that actually
18:19 matey; and just to show how useless ssl is
18:19 matey; its encrypted with ssl but everyone can read it anyway
18:20 mole; a cryptosystem such as ssl is _not_ useless, it is crap nonetheless
18:20 matey; just at a glance even, i mean wtf
18:20 TR News; Review or gift? https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zJotySEbj3o
18:20 TR Bot; HP Dev One Full Review (Part 2) - Upgrading RAM, Running Other Distros & More! - Invidious
18:20 MinceR; 27 191744 < mole> with block mode operation, the cipher strength mostly depends on the hashing of the block keys anyway
18:20 MinceR; then use a stream cipher
18:20 matey; the key to online security is to rotate your irc handle every 30 minutes
18:21 mole; i'm really annoyed by the fact, good old ircd-hybrid v7 doesn't compile and link against latest libressl/openssl anymore
18:21 mole; not important
18:22 Ariadne; CAPAB \r\n
18:22 TR News; 'Linux' Foundation now crowning full time from Microsoft employees who are not technical and have worked to infiltrate what Microsoft is attacking http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166292#comment-34153
18:22 TR Bot; Introduction of Open Programmable Infrastructure (OPI) Project | Tux Machines
18:22 mole; it just shows again, what type of useless crap made by NATO/USA/5eyes is deployed globally
18:23 matey; and after appropriating so much tech and scientists from dutch land too
18:23 TR News; #HowTo Get the MAC Address of a Network Interface Card Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166545
18:23 TR Bot; How to Get the MAC Address of a Network Interface Card | Tux Machines
18:23 TR News; Converseen Image Converter is Available on Flathub Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166546
18:23 TR Bot; Converseen Image Converter is Available on Flathub | Tux Machines
18:23 MinceR; 27 192039 < matey> the key to online security is to rotate your irc handle every 30 minutes
18:23 matey; project paperclip, project binderclip, project rubberband, project bouncing like a red rubber ball
18:24 MinceR; unfortunately we already know that means you'll be called
18:24 *bnchs has quit (connection closed)
18:24 MinceR; project red swingline stapler
18:24 matey; dont be ridiculous, i would never stoop to that level of childish stunt
18:24 MinceR; :)
18:24 *matey is now known as
18:25 the thought of it even
18:25 MinceR; :)
18:25 MinceR; allowing unicode in nicks is still a stupid idea
18:25 i agree
18:25 /me blames python
18:26 TR News; Firefox 102 Available to Download! New ESR, Geoclue Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166528#comment-34154
18:26 TR Bot; Mozilla Firefox 102 Is Now Available for Download, Adds Geoclue Support on Linux | Tux Machines
18:27 one of the worse things about unicode in irc is the propensity for complete fuckery
18:27 though it doesnt always work :)
18:29 TR News; ShiftLeft finds a 97% reduction in open source software vulnerabilities | SC Media https://www.scmagazine.com/editorial/news/application-security/shiftleft-finds-a-97-reduction-in-open-source-software-vulnerabilities Source: scmagazine
18:29 TR Bot; ShiftLeft finds a 97% reduction in open source software vulnerabilities | SC Media
18:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:30 TR News; Paradox as "clown computing" means outsourcing, so you've lost control of the systems; it's a data breach https://linuxbuz.com/cloud-security/what-is-cloud-security
18:30 TR Bot; is Cloud Security - Definition, Importance, Benefits - LinuxBuz
18:31 well its not all bad
18:31 ive tried replacing the M and the e, separately and together, in MinceR
18:31 and none of it worked
18:31 either because the server is smarter than that
18:31 or because the owner of that nick considered a LARGE number of permutations
18:32 SomeH4x0r; fuck ergo ircd
18:32 SomeH4x0r; slowly destroying IRC
18:32 no no no
18:32 its ergo fuck ircd
18:32 SomeH4x0r; Unicode does not belong to nicknames
18:32 Unicode does not belong to nicknames <- we have 3 people saying this now, including myself
18:32 TR News; "discuss the nature of the East-West dichotomy and whether the rise of Eurasia" https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/06/podcasts/bonus-interrogating-cold-war-2-0/
18:32 TR Bot; BONUS - Interrogating Cold War 2.0
18:32 i dont think they will listen
18:33 TR News; Rakudo Weekly News: 2022.26 Conference Seasoned https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/06/27/2022-26-conference-seasoned/
18:33 TR Bot; 2022.26 Conference Seasoned Rakudo Weekly News
18:33 SomeH4x0r; I will try to get one of my XMPP friends set up an ircd sometime later
18:33 TR News; Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.5 RC 5 https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-5-rc-5 Source: godotengine
18:33 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.5 RC 5
18:33 hopefully xmpp doesnt allow unicode in handles
18:34 the protocol should be ascii only
18:34 TR News; About that misguided call for a 7-Zip boycott Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166547
18:34 TR Bot; About that misguided call for a 7-Zip boycott | Tux Machines
18:34 SomeH4x0r; XMPP does
18:34 /me would vote for baudot even
18:34 SomeH4x0r; and iirc it makes plausible impersonation possibleOD
18:34 SomeH4x0r; *possible
18:34 it does but i just tested that
18:35 and cyrillic doesnt allow me to become mincer
18:35 even thought theres an M that isnt M and an e that isnt e
18:35 i dont mean schwa either
18:37 nd this is just wrong
18:37 * is now known as
18:37 why is this even a character?
18:37 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166548
18:37 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
18:37 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_monocular_O
18:37 TR Bot; Double monocular O - Wikipedia
18:38 * is now known as matey
18:38 TR News; Privileged Conversations | July 2022 - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/privileged-conversations-july-2022/ Source: publicknowledge
18:38 TR Bot; Privileged Conversations | July 2022 - Public Knowledge
18:39 schestowitz_TR; matey: you have some more offensive ones
18:39 schestowitz_TR; like douche, swastika..
18:39 matey; /me didnt know there was a douche glyph
18:39 matey; what does that even look l-- dont tell me
18:40 matey; also swastikas are highly INoffensive in several contexts
18:41 matey; www.jta.org/2022/06/02/united-states/a-california-hate-crimes-bill-separates-nazi-symbols-from-hindu-swastikas
18:41 matey; This legislation is not intended to criminalize the placement or display of the ancient swastika symbols that are associated with Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism and are symbols of peace."
18:41 matey; its still unconstitutional
18:42 matey; but even germany legalises the use for folun gong (its part of their flag and has no racist connotations)
18:42 *schestowitz_TR is now known as Schestowitz-3
18:42 matey; Can the swastika ever reclaim its original meaning? - Quartz
18:42 matey; qz.com/1757244/can-the-swastika-ever-reclaim-its-original-meaning/
18:42 matey; A mirrored swastika () is called manji in Japan, where it is a sign of prosperity and good luck. The manji is used to indicate the location of Buddhist temples in local maps and signs.
18:43 matey; How the world loved the swastika - until Hitler stole it - BBC News
18:43 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166549
18:43 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
18:43 matey; its unquestionably hateful when nazis use it
18:43 matey; but thats theyre fucking nazis
18:43 matey; because
18:44 matey; pretty much everybody else might as well be doing spocks "live long and prosper"
18:44 matey; which is jewish in origin
18:46 matey; There are literally swastikas on the floor of an ancient Jewish temple in Jerusalem, in Navajo blankets, on the jerseys of the Swastika, Canada hockey team from the 1920s, and almost everywhere else on earth.
18:46 matey; There are literally swastikas on the floor of an ancient Jewish temple in Jerusalem, <- ive seen a picture, i was looking for it just now
18:46 matey; of course theyre aligned at right angles
18:47 matey; left-vs-right orientation is a red herring imo, non-nazi ones go both ways
18:47 matey; but the non-nazi ones are almost always aligned up/down/left/right
18:47 matey; and the official nazi one is at a 45
18:47 Schestowitz-3; matey> There are literally swastikas on the floor of an ancient Jewish temple
18:48 Schestowitz-3; if you want to see many swastika there
18:48 matey; of course as weve seen, its truly anything goes with the spray painted ones
18:48 MinceR; 27 194745 < matey> and the official nazi one is at a 45
18:48 Schestowitz-3; go to the museum
18:48 MinceR; not always
18:48 matey; not always <- maybe but i struggle to
18:48 matey; go to the museum <- youre missing the point by an entire planet
18:48 Schestowitz-3; it was sarcasm
18:49 matey; theyre not going to dig up an ancient jewish temple to appease some reddit/tumblrinas
18:49 MinceR; this one is not 45, for example >> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS9b5qfmnNZWzsY1m_36AgFfuslpZBkDDd3bg&usqp=CAU
18:49 matey; it was sarcasm <- oh, fair enough
18:50 matey; <MinceR> this one is not 45, for example >> <- fair point
18:50 matey; but the right-vs-left thing people came up with is simply inaccurate
18:51 matey; it really comes down to why someones using it
18:51 matey; just like yelling fire in a crowded theatre is totally acceptable
18:52 matey; IF youre warning them of an actual fire
18:52 TR News; Easy 4.2.1 interim-release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166470#comment-34155
18:52 TR Bot; EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2 | Tux Machines
18:53 matey; and i could be going out on a limb here
18:53 TR News; "In the thirty-fourth episode of the WordPress Briefing, hear WordPress Executive Director Josepha Haden Chomphosy discuss planning for the major release and how you can get involved in the WordPress 6.1 release cycle!" https://wordpress.org/news/2022/06/episode-34-wordpress-6-1-is-coming/
18:53 TR Bot; Episode 34: WordPress 6.1 is Coming! WordPress News
18:53 matey; but i feel pretty confident (barring examples to the contrary) that hindus will NOT be using any 45-degree white swastikas on black circles on red backgrounds
18:54 matey; but never say never
18:54 Schestowitz-3; shithub https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-OSPRay-Studio-0.11
18:54 TR Bot; Releases OSPRay Studio v0.11 Visualization / Ray-Tracing App - Phoronix
18:54 MinceR; well, it will take a bit of time for narendra modi and his cult to become more comfortable with nazism for that
18:54 matey; yeah right
18:54 MinceR; or just some more global spread of fascism
18:55 TR News; ArcoLinux 22.07.03 is out -- a Belgian Arch https://arcolinux.info/ https://arcolinux.com/
18:55 TR Bot; ArcoLinux | ArcoLinux
18:55 TR Bot; ArcoLinux
18:55 matey; i mean ive seen a buddha with a swastika on his forehead, but never as an armband
18:56 matey; upper arm bracelets are popular though, i think krishna had one, or his brother
18:56 TR News; GNU is bigger and Rust is not about security https://www.memorysafety.org/blog/memory-safety-in-linux-kernel/
18:56 TR Bot; Memory Safety for the Worlds Largest Software Project - Prossimo
18:56 matey; but those are worn on the skin, not a sleeve
18:57 matey; people who see the global spread of fascism should of course realise that as that happens, a counter force is also growing to oppose it
18:57 TR News; Microsoft: Miguel de Icaza will interject Mono into Linux. Gulag: Miguel Ojeda will help put Linux in Microsoft proprietary software (GitHub) with oppressive CoC that makes it a violation to condemn Microsoft crimes
18:58 matey; and i dont mean codes of censorship (Which are a shallow and meaningless waste of time used mostly as a cudgel against non-conformist thinking)
18:59 TR News; Gulag proxy/lobby bought domain, memorysafety... reminds me of how Microsoft does lobbying
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 6.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
19:00 matey; its been an interesting century
19:00 matey; its only going to get more interesting
19:02 TR News; "Kiwi TCMS is happy to announce that we have been awarded a "Best Website 2022" award by Reviewbox.es, scoring 36/40 on their evaluation. The review criteria can be found at https://www.reviewbox.es/los-mejores-sitios-web/." https://kiwitcms.org/blog/kiwi-tcms-team/2022/06/27/mejor-sitio-web-2022/
19:02 TR Bot; Los mejores sitios web 2022 - REVIEWBOX Espaa
19:02 TR Bot; Kiwi TCMS - Mejor Sitio Web 2022
19:02 Schestowitz-3; we're not even a quarter way in
19:02 Schestowitz-3; 3 economic crashes
19:02 Schestowitz-3; on a global scale
19:02 Schestowitz-3; and many wars
19:03 matey; the economy is bullshit
19:03 matey; and its only going to become more obviously so
19:04 matey; and many wars <- war is inevitable when this much oppression exists
19:04 TR News; Has Red Hat's largest client (DoD) demanded some back doors in there? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/experience-bringing-openssl-30-rhel-and-fedora
19:04 TR Bot; The experience of bringing OpenSSL 3.0 into Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora
19:04 matey; of course a lot of oppression comes FROM those wars
19:04 Schestowitz-3; it's a feedeing loop
19:04 matey; as does a lot of the economic bullshit
19:04 Schestowitz-3; war makes poverty and miserty
19:05 Schestowitz-3; and poor, miserable people go to war
19:05 matey; true
19:05 matey; but not only
19:05 matey; war generally exists for the rich, to exploit the poor
19:05 matey; even the "noble" ones like wwii
19:05 matey; the "necessary ones" like wwii
19:05 matey; war is always sold under the banner of necessity
19:06 matey; which doesnt mean its never necessary
19:06 matey; but wars rarely happen for the same reasons theyre sold as being about
19:06 TR News; "As some of you may know, on May 4th Jack Huey opened a PR to stabilize an initial version of generic associated types. The current version is at best an MVP: the compiler support is limited, resulting in unnecessary errors, and the syntax is limited, making code that uses GATs much more verbose than Id like." http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2022/06/27/many-modes-a-gats-pattern/
19:06 TR Bot; Baby Steps
19:06 matey; even the american revolution-- which was a lot better than doing nothing
19:06 matey; wasnt entirely on the level
19:07 matey; it was to benefit the rich as well
19:07 matey; not as a an afterthough
19:07 matey; by design
19:07 matey; they sold it as being about freedom, and thats the real reason people fought
19:07 matey; and imo they got some freedom out of it
19:07 matey; the native americans and the african slaves... not so much freedom
19:08 matey; regardless
19:08 matey; eventually the people of the world will have to stand up to this shit
19:08 matey; and that will absolutely be a necessary war
19:09 matey; not just for freedom, but the survival of the species
19:09 matey; about as necessary as it gets
19:10 matey; a war agaainst the genocide of all races
19:10 TR News; Mozilla Politics Inc. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/recording-academys-vp-of-d-e-i-ryan-butler-tells-us-what-brings-him-joy-online/ see http://techrights.org/2022/06/13/mozilla-politics-blog/
19:10 TR Bot; Recording Academy's VP of D.E.I. Ryan Butler Tells Us What Brings Him Joy Online
19:10 TR Bot; Mozilla, Just Like the Linux Foundation, Has Turned to Politics at Firefoxs Expense | Techrights
19:10 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@sjrrmh2sjn6mi.irc) has joined #techrights
19:11 matey; imo they should do it for freedom as well, and most likely will
19:11 TR News; "Sadly that means no Linux support, even though the (POP 2) scanner itself runs Linux, but some people have managed to run the host software on Linux through Wine." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/27/revopoint-mini-3d-scanner-digitizes-small-objects-with-0-02mm-precision/
19:11 TR Bot; Revopoint MINI 3D scanner digitizes small objects with 0.02mm precision (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
19:12 TR News; Servers: Slim.AI and Kubernetes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166550
19:12 TR Bot; Servers: Slim.AI and Kubernetes | Tux Machines
19:12 TR News; The JavaScript Specification has a New License Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166551
19:12 TR Bot; The JavaScript Specification has a New License | Tux Machines
19:17 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1106859552/primary-illinois-colorado-republican-candidate-democrats-ads
19:17 TR Bot; Democrats are bankrolling ads boosting Republican primary candidates. Here's why : NPR
19:17 DaemonFC; There is a certain immediate logic to it, but giving these people a megaphone moves the needle to the right, and then when their ideas catch on and they win elections years later, the damage is even worse.
19:19 DaemonFC; Illinois has had Republican governors, recently even. It's still a possibility. They're playing with fire here that the guy goes ahead and does win somehow and we're stuck with him for four years.
19:21 DaemonFC; I think the danger in this election is that all these people will show up and rage for a few days or a week or two about Roe and then they'll just go back to staring at their iPhones and miss the election, and then we might get the Darren Baileys.
19:22 DaemonFC; The media has been portraying the ruling incorrectly to panic everyone.
19:22 DaemonFC; The ruling getting rid of Roe says that it is not about reversing a right to privacy, and that it affects no other right or decision the court has made.
19:23 DaemonFC; That this one is uniquely different because it involves the destruction of a human life.
19:23 DaemonFC; The only person that went further was Thomas, which was to be expected.
19:23 DaemonFC; He's been the Tea Party judge on the court for about 30 years.
19:26 TR News; Links 27/06/2022: GnuCash 4.11, digiKam 7.7.0, and Easy 4.2.1 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/digikam-7-7-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/digikam-7-7-0/
19:26 TR Bot; Links 27/06/2022: GnuCash 4.11, digiKam 7.7.0, and Easy 4.2.1 | Techrights
19:27 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166552
19:27 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:27 TR News; Free Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166553
19:27 TR Bot; Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:27 DaemonFC; "Analysts have said a call-up of reservists by Russia could vastly alter the balance in the war but could also come with political consequences for President Vladimir Putin's government."
19:27 DaemonFC; Russia is throwing prisoners and people who have had 3 days of training into their war.
19:27 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166554
19:27 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
19:29 TR News; "Linux Plumbers Conference 2022 is pleased to host the Android Microconference" Linux Plumbers Conference 2022 is pleased to host the Android Microconference
19:32 TR News; "The results of the survey clearly point to a demotivated, stressed and depressed workforce that has little to no trust in management and serious concerns regarding quality of the EPOs output." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/06/27/survey-epo-staff-dont-trust-top-management-concerns-about-quality/#comments
19:32 TR Bot; Survey: EPO staff dont trust top management, concerns about quality - Kluwer Patent Blog
19:32 TR News; "76% find their work interesting is a pretty good starting point. The communications problem between management and staff has been evident for quite some time and escalated to levels where change appears to be inevitable. Can EPO find a 21st century manager?" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/06/27/survey-epo-staff-dont-trust-top-management-concerns-about-quality/#comments
19:33 TR News; "These results are appalling. In any sane public sector organization, the only conclusion would be that a major shake-up in management is urgently needed. Now, of course, this being the EPO, I am not holding my breath." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/06/27/survey-epo-staff-dont-trust-top-management-concerns-about-quality/#comments
19:33 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1107109243/amazon-kindle-ebook-return-policy
19:33 TR Bot; Amazon's e-book return policy comes under criticism from authors : NPR
19:33 DaemonFC; LOL
19:41 Schestowitz-3; does amazon also sponsor npr?
19:41 Schestowitz-3; or not yet?
19:42 Schestowitz-3; does npr have artticles about epstein being closely connected to bill gates? I think I know the answer
19:42 Schestowitz-3; bezos, are you listening?
19:42 Schestowitz-3; listener-supported progamme wink wink
19:42 Schestowitz-3; open yo' wallet
19:43 TR News; Install Firefox 102 On Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166528#comment-34156
19:43 TR Bot; Mozilla Firefox 102 Is Now Available for Download, Adds Geoclue Support on Linux | Tux Machines
19:44 matey; npr is to radio what fsf is to software
19:44 matey; a not for profit run by corporate sponsors, tantamount to fraud and at any rate, a laughable farce
19:44 matey; but like the fsf it wasnt like that originally
19:45 matey; and like with the fsf im a former supporter
19:45 TR News; Better replace macOS with GNU/Linux and discover some freedom https://www.addictivetips.com/mac-os/how-to-factory-reset-macbook-air/
19:45 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/mac-os/how-to-factory-reset-macbook-air/ )
19:47 Schestowitz-3; matey: npr protects you rom gates critics
19:47 Schestowitz-3; who are of course cranks and violent criminalks
19:47 Schestowitz-3; all of them
19:47 Schestowitz-3; according to npr
19:48 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Amazon does sponsor NPR.
19:48 TR News; radv: improve 16bit FSR performance (!15176) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15176/commits?commit_id=4235dd7b47286919fdd7f0c9dfad6e4055d9fb1f Source: gitlab
19:48 TR Bot; radv: improve 16bit FSR performance (!15176) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
19:48 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166555
19:48 DaemonFC; They said so on the radio after running a story about Amazon and labor unions.
19:48 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
19:49 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: that's one thing matey and amazon have in common
19:49 Schestowitz-3; but they are not the same
19:49 Schestowitz-3; amazon gets editorial control, matey does not
19:49 Schestowitz-3; a bit like fsf sponsors
19:49 Schestowitz-3; "patrons"
19:49 Schestowitz-3; versus members
19:49 DaemonFC; I wonder if you're still allowed to donate $600 to a non-profit this year and take it off your taxes without itemizing.
19:49 DaemonFC; If you can, I may write Planned Parenthood a check for $600 depending on what our taxes look like.
19:50 matey; but they are not the same
19:50 matey; amazon gets editorial control
19:50 matey; a bit like fsf sponsors
19:50 matey; im trying to figure out what your point is
19:51 TR News; Oh dear. Going after GCC now with Microsoft CoCs and Proprietary Sofwtare (Gtithub) https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2022-June/238991.html
19:51 TR Bot; Rust front-end
19:51 Schestowitz-3; matey: ^^
19:51 Schestowitz-3; not just D
19:51 Schestowitz-3; matey: amazon is another tied
19:51 Schestowitz-3; amazon is not even a person
19:51 Schestowitz-3; it's not a listener
19:51 Schestowitz-3; just some stakeholder
19:51 Schestowitz-3; trying to mess with the media
19:52 Schestowitz-3; the reason people need national mediais to avoid that
19:52 matey; i see this as an insignificant distinction
19:52 Schestowitz-3; so the reports can blast any corporation which deserves blasting
19:52 matey; he reason people need national mediais to avoid that
19:52 Schestowitz-3; without fear of fundings being revoked
19:52 matey; yeah, fsf is also supposed to watch out for consumers / listeners / supporters
19:52 matey; but they do a crap job there too
19:53 TR News; "One project I am working on in hopes of having something ready in Fedora 37 final is a new set of installed-by-default but not set as default extra wallpapers for Fedora." https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2022/06/27/abstract-wallpapers-in-blender-using-geometry-nodes/
19:53 TR Bot; Abstract wallpapers in Blender using geometry nodes Mirn Duffy
19:54 matey; npr has always had several sponsors
19:54 matey; the bill and melinda gates have been sponsors for years
19:55 matey; they had others too
19:55 matey; they still have others, that hasnt changed
19:55 matey; people have made these complaints for more than a decade
19:55 matey; longer than theyve complained about the fsf selling out
19:55 matey; but ive also compared the new fsf to npr for years
19:55 matey; as its a similar farce
19:56 matey; and this happens to non-profits
19:56 matey; they stop being about a cause, become entirely about "awareness" (of some NAME of a cause, nothing importat about it-- of their own org, of the need for members etc)
19:56 matey; they become more about fundraising and less about doing anything (except just enough to justify taking money)
19:56 matey; now its like
19:56 matey; not about free software
19:56 matey; its about the IDEA of free software
19:57 matey; we need to bring the IDEA of free software to the world
19:57 matey; as far as it will go-- even if it means nothing
19:57 matey; jesus taught many things, mostly about how to give a shit about people
19:57 matey; so they said lets go spread that
19:57 matey; then they just spread jesus
19:57 matey; then they just decided they had to convert everyone
19:58 matey; so now the point of getting people to accept jesus is to they can go get people to accept jesus
19:58 matey; and thats as deep as it gets-- like a spiritual pyramid scheme
19:58 matey; you just sell selling selling it
19:58 matey; and it doesnt even DO anything
19:58 TR News; The Law Bytes Podcast, Episode 132: Ryan Black on the Governments Latest Attempt at Privacy Law Reform https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/06/law-bytes-podcast-episode-132/
19:58 TR Bot; The Law Bytes Podcast, Episode 132: Ryan Black on the Government's Latest Attempt at Privacy Law Reform - Michael Geist
19:58 matey; love your neighbour help the poor and sick and needy feed the hungry
19:58 matey; NAH fuck that
19:58 matey; JESUS JESUS JESUS
19:58 matey; fsf fsf fsf
19:59 matey; marsha marsha marsha!
19:59 matey; blah blah blah
19:59 matey; nonsense
20:01 TR News; Why Robots Need to See - Robotics Business Review https://www.roboticsbusinessreview.com/opinion/why-robots-need-to-see/ Source: roboticsbusinessreview
20:01 TR Bot; Why Robots Need to See - Robotics Business Review
20:01 matey; imo the fsf is just a pyramid scheme at this point
20:01 matey; posing as an organisation that does anything
20:01 TR News; DSHR's Blog: Pseudonymity And Cooperation https://blog.dshr.org/2022/06/pseudonymity-and-cooperation.html Source: dshr
20:01 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: Pseudonymity And Cooperation
20:01 matey; riding its former glory-- but not just riding it
20:01 matey; milking it
20:01 matey; ok that sounds a bit dirty
20:01 matey; but either way, everyones getting fucked
20:02 matey; if i didnt think they were doing this, i wouldnt say it again and again
20:02 matey; ive looked very hard for counter examples that add up to anything
20:02 matey; its fake now
20:03 TR News; Surveillance and assassination in "HEY HI" clothing so that fools will cheer and think "YUS!!!! THIS. IS. SCIENCE!!" https://www.wired.com/story/ai-machine-learning-us-intelligence-community/
20:03 TR Bot; Power and Pitfalls of AI for US Intelligence | WIRED
20:05 TR News; And North Macedonia feels unwanted https://rubenerd.com/ukraine-and-moldova-granted-eu-candidate-status/
20:05 TR Bot; Ukraine and Moldova granted EU candidate status
20:09 TR News; Listening devices disguised as corpses https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/23/alexa-amazon-voice-dead-people/
20:09 TR Bot; Amazon Alexa unveils new technology that can mimic voices, including the dead - The Washington Post
20:11 SomeH4x0r; in the game Uplink, there is Voice_Analyzer
20:12 SomeH4x0r; matey did watch a walkthrough, maybe they noticed it
20:12 SomeH4x0r; it is to call a system administrator, gather his voice, and use it against voice security system
20:12 matey; they have stuff like that now
20:13 matey; but i dont know if it works against state of the art voiceprint tech-- if there even is state of the art voiceprint tech
20:13 TR News; Rooing the day: Qantas passengers and crew taken for a ride by the board - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/rooing-the-day-qantas-passengers-and-crew-taken-for-a-ride-by-the-board/ Source: michaelwest
20:13 TR Bot; Rooing the day: Qantas passengers and crew taken for a ride by the board - Michael West
20:13 matey; its good enough to fool people
20:13 matey; so if youre talking to them on the phone, talking to a person, you can definitely abuse that
20:13 matey; youtube has examples of people demonstrating it
20:14 matey; using it on someones mother for example
20:14 matey; a mother would know, right?
20:14 matey; but theyre not trying to scam her, they let her in on it after fooling her
20:14 matey; theyre demoing the technology
20:21 DaemonFC; Reading for free = Stealing from authors.
20:21 DaemonFC; Shhh, don't mention that there's a public library.
20:21 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-7x3CbbR-ns
20:21 TR Bot; This Audio Editing Tool "Deep Faked" My Voice (Actually Useful or SCARY?) - Invidious
20:22 DaemonFC; Public radio.
20:22 DaemonFC; Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Elon Musk = The Public
20:22 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Tesla announced layoffs and a hiring freeze of non-managerial employees this morning.
20:23 DaemonFC; Did you see this?
20:23 matey; non-free of course
20:23 matey; but the fact that the technology exists has nothing to do with whether i would use it
20:24 matey; i also dont use wifi cracking software
20:24 matey; but its good to know it exists even if you dont use it
20:27 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: microsoft also
20:27 Schestowitz-3; did not openly announce it
20:28 Schestowitz-3; maybe biden bailouts are too slow
20:28 Schestowitz-3; only 22,000 MILLION
20:28 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, How does this sound?
20:28 matey; only
20:28 Schestowitz-3; <DaemonFC> Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Elon Musk = The Public
20:28 DaemonFC; "
20:28 DaemonFC; Elon Musk/Tesla goes from firing people to own the libs and because we grew too fast to because theyll have to fire bankruptcy soon.
20:28 DaemonFC; Elon Musk, just days/a few weeks ago said they would trim about 10% of the managerial staff at Tesla because we grew too fast and now we have to get headcount down to operate more efficiently.
20:28 DaemonFC; Then he said he was firing the Diversity and Inclusion Team to own the libs.
20:28 DaemonFC; Then he declared in the past week that if Tesla keeps operating the way it is, with their factories being gigantic money furnaces, theyll be in bankruptcy court very soon.
20:28 Schestowitz-3; it sounds like you are joking ;-)
20:28 DaemonFC; And now they announce a hiring freeze and are laying off based on seniority.
20:28 DaemonFC; Everyone who bought one of these things, proprietary software, patented parts, and zero repair manuals, will most likely end up with a very expensive car in the driveway that is malfunctioning and cant be serviced by anybody pretty soon.
20:28 DaemonFC; "
20:29 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: FILE
20:29 Schestowitz-3; not fire
20:29 Schestowitz-3; but you never know
20:29 Schestowitz-3; maybe they will fire
20:29 Schestowitz-3; than file
20:29 Schestowitz-3; maybe they'll set fire to the "libs"
20:29 Schestowitz-3; you know they are easily flammable
20:29 Schestowitz-3; he'll fire the empoyees
20:29 Schestowitz-3; aand then fire the bankruptcy
20:29 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, You don't have to use AC Delco parts on my car. You can. If you want to.
20:30 Schestowitz-3; if "pedo guy" elon says 10%
20:30 Schestowitz-3; ready as, much higher
20:30 Schestowitz-3; but at LEAST 10%
20:30 Schestowitz-3; *read as
20:30 DaemonFC; The fact that there is an aftermarket for almost everything on the car keeps the OEM parts cost down as well.
20:30 DaemonFC; It's like when medicine goes generic and the name brand company has to slash prices to avoid losing the entire market.
20:31 Schestowitz-3; TESLA is part of the watt street bubble scam
20:31 DaemonFC; I used an AC Delco serpentine belt tensioner because I know full well what the aftermarket is like on those things. It's pretty crap, honestly.
20:31 Schestowitz-3; take companyies that barely ever made money
20:31 Schestowitz-3; slap 1 trillion
20:31 Schestowitz-3; 2 trillion
20:31 Schestowitz-3; on them
20:31 Schestowitz-3; make it up
20:31 DaemonFC; I tried to cheap out on the part with the Ford and ended up having to do the job three times.
20:31 Schestowitz-3; wall street low?
20:31 Schestowitz-3; slap 4 trillion
20:31 DaemonFC; So in the end I saved nothing.
20:31 Schestowitz-3; bam. s&p up SHARPLY
20:31 Schestowitz-3; then loyoffs
20:31 DaemonFC; But with simpler parts, you can do after market and some of the suppliers are pretty good quality.
20:31 Schestowitz-3; they need to save on jimmy's $40k salary
20:32 Schestowitz-3; in the company vealued at 4,000,000,000K
20:32 DaemonFC; I've had a lot of luck with after market suspension components from Moog and Monroe, which you wouldn't figure on, because those have to hold up the entire front end of the car.
20:32 DaemonFC; So why are those more reliable than an aftermarket belt tensioner?
20:32 DaemonFC; But it is what it is.
20:33 Schestowitz-3; btw
20:33 Schestowitz-3; you might want to look into the s&p compsite
20:33 Schestowitz-3; namely map the overall value
20:33 Schestowitz-3; and find how many companies make up like 70% of the toal
20:33 DaemonFC; The difference in cost between an OE belt tensioner and an aftermarket is maybe $50, but like, struts? LOL You can find quick struts that are like $150 each that will stop your old car from bouncing up and down.
20:33 Schestowitz-3; you may find a handful that are valued like 10 times their real perceived worth
20:33 Schestowitz-3; so s&p is pure comdety
20:33 DaemonFC; If you look at OE, you can expect to pay anywhere between $600-1000 each, just for the part, and you have to do two at once....
20:33 Schestowitz-3; they say how many companies are included
20:33 Schestowitz-3; but not all are equal
20:34 DaemonFC; Oh, I would not buy a Tesla.
20:34 Schestowitz-3; the "top" company can be like 100 at the "bottom"
20:34 DaemonFC; It will never save you enough gas money for what you're in for.
20:34 Schestowitz-3; gas?
20:34 Schestowitz-3; it runs on air
20:34 Schestowitz-3; no?
20:34 DaemonFC; It's one of those things where it's like a hybrid car, you know. They add so many parts that the reliability is not great after several years.
20:35 Schestowitz-3; the electricity is made very very renewable green sustainable greenery
20:35 DaemonFC; It becomes an endless money pit.
20:35 DaemonFC; Just giving up and accepting maybe 19-20 mpg in the city is better than that.
20:35 Schestowitz-3; maybe ther Tesla estate will sue "pedo guy" musk
20:35 Schestowitz-3; _^_^
20:35 Schestowitz-3; for tarnishing great-grandpa's name
20:35 DaemonFC; The entire car is aging at the same rate, and then after a while, fixing it is like that old game where you're the plumber and you have to shoot gremlins while fixing pipe leaks.
20:36 DaemonFC; That was my favorite game on the Commodore.
20:36 DaemonFC; You fix one, two spring up somewhere else, you fix those, some gremlins come and you have to stop what you're doing and shoot them.
20:36 DaemonFC; Eventually you can't keep up with the leaks.
20:38 DaemonFC; https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/21/23176964/tesla-layoffs-lawsuit-gigafactory-warn-act-violate
20:38 TR Bot; Tesla accused of violating federal law over mass layoffs at Gigafactory - The Verge
20:38 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Musk violated the WARN Act with his mass layoffs.
20:38 DaemonFC; He gave them no notice and will now probably have to pay them their usual salary * 60 days as well as any unemployment benefits they are due.
20:40 Schestowitz-3; he will threatsn to move tooo
20:40 DaemonFC; But the damages for Tesla are very small for breaking this law, so he did it.
20:40 Schestowitz-3; oih, wait, TX already
20:40 DaemonFC; Where? WARN is federal, although some states have their own that are stronger.
20:40 Schestowitz-3; maybe he can get those pseudo abortion judges to let him off the hook
20:40 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: I was being facetious
20:40 Schestowitz-3; people worship this scum
20:40 Schestowitz-3; sociopath
20:41 Schestowitz-3; like he's sto cool
20:41 Schestowitz-3; by dodging the law
20:41 Schestowitz-3; and boasting about being an a-hole
20:42 Schestowitz-3; peoplec an buy EV
20:42 Schestowitz-3; or hybrid
20:42 Schestowitz-3; from some brand like volvo
20:42 Schestowitz-3; owned by the big boys
20:42 Schestowitz-3; that won't sink under in a few years
20:42 Schestowitz-3; so you can still maintain the darn thing
20:42 Schestowitz-3; tesla was alwasys bubble
20:43 Schestowitz-3; musk got that thing cheap
20:43 Schestowitz-3; and paid to make a myth
20:43 Schestowitz-3; my dad always said it was bluff
20:43 Schestowitz-3; because not only tesla had EVs
20:43 Schestowitz-3; and it had no value propoition
20:43 Schestowitz-3; pure marketing
20:43 Schestowitz-3; owners of tesla vehicles should worry
20:43 Schestowitz-3; soon they might struggle do do operations and maintenance
20:44 Schestowitz-3; unless it gets sold to some company
20:44 Schestowitz-3; willing to still supply and provide.... but at what price?
20:45 matey; be a shame if tesla went the way of those microsoft ebooks
20:45 matey; sorry, tesla servers are down
20:46 matey; have you tried a horse and buggy?
20:46 Schestowitz-3; matey: while driving?
20:46 Schestowitz-3; " tesla went the way of those microsoft ebooks " ^
20:46 matey; youre that cynical, i barely am
20:46 matey; i can almost imagine that but i think its unlikely
20:46 Schestowitz-3; they would sell the "assets"
20:46 matey; simply not working anymore, that i can believe
20:46 Schestowitz-3; someone will buy on the cheap
20:46 matey; that seems just possible
20:47 Schestowitz-3; even some "smart" home companies that fold
20:47 Schestowitz-3; sometimes might want to blackmail the fools who bought them
20:47 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/elon-musk-tesla-goes-from-firing-people-to-own-the-libs-and-because-we-grew-too-fast-to-because-theyll-have-to-fire-bankruptcy-soon/
20:47 TR Bot; Elon Musk/Tesla goes from firing people to own the libs and because we grew too fast to because theyll have to fire bankruptcy soon. BaronHK's Rants
20:47 Schestowitz-3; to keep some servers online
20:47 matey; they would sell the "assets" such assets are as good as sold the moment theyre collected
20:47 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: typo
20:47 Schestowitz-3; in headline
20:47 Schestowitz-3; \
20:47 matey; sometimes just hacked in bulk then put online
20:47 Schestowitz-3; rire->file
20:47 Schestowitz-3; hence my jokes earlier
20:47 Schestowitz-3; about firing things
20:48 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/elon-musk-tesla-goes-from-firing-people-to-own-the-libs-and-because-we-grew-too-fast-to-because-theyll-have-to-file-bankruptcy-soon/
20:48 TR Bot; Elon Musk/Tesla goes from firing people to own the libs and because we grew too fast to because theyll have to file bankruptcy soon. BaronHK's Rants
20:48 Schestowitz-3; CFOI: elon, we need bakruptcy
20:48 DaemonFC; fire, file
20:48 Schestowitz-3; Musk: FIRE IT!!
20:48 DaemonFC; Slip because they fire people until they file bankruptcy, I'm sure.
20:48 Schestowitz-3; yeah
20:49 DaemonFC; I might work on this a bit more.
20:49 DaemonFC; Mention that this backdoor shit, and product activators, are what Microsoft does to segment the market with Windows.
20:50 DaemonFC; Everyone gets the same binaries but Windows does more or less depending on how much you paid.
20:50 TR News; Linux Lite OS 6.0 Review: Well built Linux for Windows Users Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166556
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20:54 DaemonFC; "When hurricanes approach Florida and Texas, Tesla gets into your car via the backdoor and increases the range another 60 or 70 miles, temporarily, so you dont get caught in the hurricane and sue them, and then they go back to sabotaging it unless you pay them to remove the restriction.
20:54 DaemonFC; Microsoft has had this business model with Windows for years.
20:54 DaemonFC; Everyone gets the same OS with the same binaries, compiled exactly the same way, but you get limitations that are enforced by Software Licensing Service depending on how much you paid them, so they can cripple or enable the software by any amount any time, and then you need to get a new serial number and activate it again and suddenly it does more.
20:54 DaemonFC; Of course this is nonsense. Everyone who downloads a GNU/Linux distribution gets the same binaries and can use it however they want.
20:54 DaemonFC; The desktop binaries have the same capabilities as the server binaries. They both cost no money. You just decide which role you want to deploy, and you can add capabilities by adding new software packages whenever you like. Thus, the only reason to separate the roles is to conserve resources and reduce security footprint based upon the needs of the user.
20:54 DaemonFC; But with Tesla behaving like Microsoft with licensing and backdoors, it makes you wonder what else is in these cars that is waiting to explode if Tesla isnt there to tell your car what to do, even if you can find someone to service it mechanically somehow? I guess if you bought one, youll find out."
20:55 DaemonFC; I bungled that a bit.
20:56 mole; who authored this tesla-rant?
20:56 mole; DaemonFC: was this yours?
20:56 DaemonFC; "But with Tesla behaving like Microsoft with licensing and backdoors, doesnt it make you wonder what else is in these cars that is waiting to fail if Tesla isnt there to tell your car what to do, even if you can find someone to service it mechanically somehow? I guess if you bought one, youll find out."
20:56 DaemonFC; Tesla is not a stable company.
20:57 DaemonFC; They're more dotcom 2.0 shit.
20:57 DaemonFC; They're in serious trouble now. For starters, their income stream from getting CAFE fees from real car companies will be cut off.
20:57 matey; it was crowd sourced on twitter
20:58 DaemonFC; Cadillac and Buick are going all electric, and you can get affordable EVs from Chevy and Ford.
20:58 DaemonFC; Including a real Ford truck.
20:58 matey; part of the reason the sale to musk fell through
20:58 DaemonFC; Not that thing that looked like it was from Halo that Elon Musk was on the stage with that they don't even make.
20:59 matey; but it was adapted from a broadway musical script lifted shamelessly from a german playright
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 6.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
20:59 DaemonFC; It's always funny when some guy in a Volkswagen or something thinks he's going to zoom past my Buick and cut me off.
20:59 matey; sorry, dutch
20:59 DaemonFC; I barely have to press the accelerator and I just tear past him.
20:59 DaemonFC; It's those dinky little European 1 liter diesel engines or whatever they put in those.
20:59 DaemonFC; Very sluggish.
21:00 DaemonFC; Not only are they very sluggish, if you are saving any gas money, it comes right back out of your pocket because you have to get an engine block warmer for an additional fee or you can't start the car for three or four months, then you have to wait for the engine to warm up enough to start it, which may take 15 or 20 minutes.
21:01 DaemonFC; And then you have to pour $20 of DEF in it every month or it goes into limp mode.
21:01 DaemonFC; It's a nightmare driving a diesel car, and then the funnier part is because diesel has increased in price more than gas, you also have to pull over and pay about 80 cents a gallon more.
21:03 DaemonFC; Some coal roller got me yesterday.
21:04 DaemonFC; I sent the video from my dash cam along with his license plate number to the Illinois EPA.
21:04 DaemonFC; He violated the laws against modifying an emissions system and the Illinois "smoking car" law.
21:05 DaemonFC; The one for the emissions system can mean a big fine and prison time.
21:05 DaemonFC; The "smoking car" law is usually what they charge if your car is burning oil or something and is a petty offense. They revoke your registration and fine you $1,000.
21:12 DaemonFC; There is a smoking car law in Indiana, but it's unenforced.
21:12 DaemonFC; Half the people there drive some old clunker that couldn't pass emissions in Illinois.
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21:13 DaemonFC; Mom was angry when Indiana had a basic safety inspection that went over things like your brake pads and tire tread depth.
21:13 DaemonFC; I mean, and it was so stupid, right, because who wants to die over a set of tires?
21:14 DaemonFC; It's legal to buy used ones. Back then, she ended up passing the inspection by going to a gas station and paying the guy $40 to take off four bald tires with the cords showing and put on 4 used ones that at least had 70% of their tread life.
21:15 DaemonFC; She runs her cars hard without fixing anything until it's pure luck that she doesn't have a serious accident.
21:15 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, When I handed her the 2003 Impala back she said "This thing gets great gas mileage. What did you do to it?".
21:16 DaemonFC; I said "Had it tuned up and all the vacuum leaks fixed, and a lot of other stuff.".
21:16 DaemonFC; There's a lot of stuff you can do to a car where it will still run but you'll lose half your gas mileage.
21:17 DaemonFC; She's over there yelling about Biden and $5 gas while the car's burning twice as much of it as it would if she had them smoke test it and fix some vacuum leaks.
21:19 mole; $5/gallon, which is ridiculously cheap
21:21 DaemonFC; There's rebates.
21:21 DaemonFC; They throw rebates on it to people who bother to take them.
21:21 DaemonFC; I can get 9-10% of what gas costs that day back.
21:22 DaemonFC; I can't make my car 10% more efficient than it is now.
21:22 DaemonFC; But I can mess around with some credit cards and apps and get that amount back in rebate accounts.
21:23 DaemonFC; The fact that they can afford to tolerate rebates of that size proves that there's no reason to charge $5.59 a gallon for gas.
21:23 DaemonFC; They could cut the price for everyone, but then they wouldn't be making record profits.
21:23 DaemonFC; So it's just like any other sort of coupon.
21:24 DaemonFC; You tolerate a certain amount of it to get demand up and not lose market to the other guys, and stick it to less price sensitive customers.
21:24 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, I find myself frequently planning dinners around what's on rebate.
21:24 DaemonFC; Like, if I can get some of the ingredients on rebate, some generic, some meat that I got real cheap and froze.....
21:25 DaemonFC; I can't stop us from having to drive the car and burn gas, or having to eat, but I do have _some_ control over what it costs.
21:26 DaemonFC; Mandy devalues this as a "contribution". Why would he devalue that? If neither of us had any time to do that, we'd pay with money instead. If I can cut a couple hundred out of our budget each month that doesn't change the outcome of what gets done, that should be counted as income. Better than income!
21:26 DaemonFC; Income you don't have to work for or pay taxes on!
21:27 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, I set my mom up to go into partial retirement.
21:27 DaemonFC; She only has to work half as many hours now, and as a result, her income will go up by over 40%.
21:27 DaemonFC; And she gets better medical care.
21:27 DaemonFC; So she was thrilled with that.
21:28 Schestowitz-3; i might do this myself
21:28 DaemonFC; She really didn't want to wait for "full retirement benefits" from Social Security once I told her how much she'd lose in Pension money for delaying.
21:28 Schestowitz-3; need to keep expenses very low though
21:28 DaemonFC; :)
21:28 Schestowitz-3; inflation has been insane
21:29 DaemonFC; I told her if she takes Social Security now, she gets to take the pension money, and she'll surely get the checks from Social Security from now until "full retirement" that she may otherwise not have gotten.
21:29 DaemonFC; Plus, her taxes will be lower when she goes into full retirement later, and I can sign her up then for a program that covers all of her Medicare expenses, which she would not qualify for with the income boost from waiting.
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21:30 DaemonFC; So they'd just steal it all from her in some totally different way.
21:30 DaemonFC; Once she saw my reasoning, which I had to circle around a few times and go back to something, she said she really couldn't afford not to do it now.
21:31 DaemonFC; I told her "Gee, if you wait, you lose all of these checks, end up paying your Social Security to the IRS and state, and then you're on the hook for all your Medicare premiums and co-pays when you stop working. They'll take just as much that way as they will if you file now."
21:32 DaemonFC; Fucking bastards.
21:32 DaemonFC; They never let you keep anything if they can help it.
21:32 DaemonFC; Then look at the shitty government we get.
21:33 DaemonFC; Everyone in Europe says "Oh you pay less in taxes.", yes, we do, and in return for paying like 2/3rds of the taxes you do we get a government where if you hear anything at all from them, it's bad.
21:33 DaemonFC; It's either criminal charges or the IRS, and it's never about what they can do to help you.
21:33 DaemonFC; So fuck them all to death.
21:33 DaemonFC; That's why our European friends don't understand why we hate taxes and the government around here.
21:38 Schestowitz-3; which european friends?
21:38 DaemonFC; Welfare programs for other people and the cops for you.
21:38 Schestowitz-3; the US has a very negative image here
21:38 DaemonFC; "SAVE ME HURT THEM! SAVE ME HURT THEM!"
21:39 Schestowitz-3; US contewmpt for tax was politicised
21:39 Schestowitz-3; inc. by "libertarians"
21:39 DaemonFC; It's theft.
21:39 Schestowitz-3; there's also extreme graft
21:39 Schestowitz-3; starting with the Pentagon
21:39 DaemonFC; So they can give it to some fucking parasites that "work" for the government.
21:39 Schestowitz-3; feeding many oligarchs off its palm
21:39 DaemonFC; And people who have like 10 kids they can't afford from 4 fathers who are all in prison.
21:39 DaemonFC; Oh yeah, and Musk.
21:40 Schestowitz-3; misuse of tax money isn't bad there
21:40 Schestowitz-3; you need to look at the worse piecture
21:40 Schestowitz-3; in the UK it wasd visualised
21:40 Schestowitz-3; how much benefit fraud costs us
21:40 Schestowitz-3; it's tiny and minuscule
21:40 Schestowitz-3; compared to other things
21:40 DaemonFC; Yeah, those numbers are published by the government.
21:40 Schestowitz-3; army, tax avoidance by the rich, corporations
21:40 DaemonFC; They always claim that it's low.
21:40 Schestowitz-3; so the perception is all wrong
21:41 Schestowitz-3; the rich scapegoat the poor
21:41 Schestowitz-3; so you don't pay attentoon to where trillions per year go
21:41 Schestowitz-3; so the deficit is massive
21:41 Schestowitz-3; they want you angry at black mothers
21:41 DaemonFC; Even if it really is "one percent" improper payments in a $7 trillion dollar budget, that's a lot of money.
21:41 Schestowitz-3; not a spiled fraud from south africa
21:41 Schestowitz-3; and the BFF of Epstein
21:41 DaemonFC; And they don't consider whether the program is immoral or not working as intended.
21:41 Schestowitz-3; who buys all the land
21:42 DaemonFC; Only whether the money was paid out in accordance with the wording of the law.
21:42 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, The Indiana slumlord with three Cadillacs who got $12,000 to "save her own job". LOL
21:42 Schestowitz-3; you fancy yourself "woke" on the reality of the law
21:42 Schestowitz-3; but you fall for the poor-shaming
21:42 DaemonFC; Lots of cases like hers.
21:42 Schestowitz-3; and miss the bigger pictur
21:42 Schestowitz-3; ewhile cirting their corporate media
21:43 Schestowitz-3; you are an unemployed buick owner
21:43 Schestowitz-3; used one
21:43 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Does someone with three Cadillac cars who lives off owning half the apartments in the city need $12,000 in loan forgiveness to save their own job?
21:43 Schestowitz-3; that's a disparity
21:43 DaemonFC; The law said she did, apparently.
21:43 Schestowitz-3; I don't even oown a car anymore
21:43 Schestowitz-3; and I don't buy much
21:44 DaemonFC; Three cars is an extravagance, Roy.
21:44 Schestowitz-3; did you reead this in the paper?
21:44 DaemonFC; Much less three Cadillacs, none of which are more than a few years old.
21:44 Schestowitz-3; the tabloids here do this
21:44 Schestowitz-3; they look for the most absurd cases
21:44 Schestowitz-3; and then make it seem like the poor are thieves
21:44 DaemonFC; I know her personally, Roy, only she had Lincolns when I lived in town.
21:44 DaemonFC; She must have gotten tired of the Lincolns and sold them off for Cadillacs.
21:45 DaemonFC; It's something someone with so much money they run out of ways to spend it would do.
21:45 DaemonFC; And the government is giving her $12,000 from PPP.
21:45 DaemonFC; Nearly $12,000.
21:45 TR News; Elon Musk/Tesla goes from firing people to being his real self, "pedo guy" - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/elon-musk-tesla-goes-from-firing-people-to-own-the-libs-and-because-we-grew-too-fast-to-because-theyll-have-to-file-bankruptcy-soon/ Source: baronhk | ryan farmer
21:45 TR Bot; Elon Musk/Tesla goes from firing people to own the libs and because we grew too fast to because theyll have to file bankruptcy soon. BaronHK's Rants
21:46 DaemonFC; She drove Lincoln Towncars, which were basically Crown Victorias with air ride suspensions, more features, leather seats, etc.
21:46 DaemonFC; Upgraded trim...
21:46 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Yeah, you have to watch out with used luxury cars.
21:47 DaemonFC; If you do buy an old one real cheap it's for a reason.
21:47 DaemonFC; If you see an old Cadillac or Lincoln and the back end is sagging, that would be the air ride.
21:48 DaemonFC; Some black guy with a 1998 Cadillac came into the shop while I was there for something and he asked about getting the air ride fixed.
21:48 Schestowitz-3; don't worry, I'm not plannign to buy a car
21:48 Schestowitz-3; it can be more work than a kid
21:48 DaemonFC; Shaq said over $4,000. The guy goes "God damn!". I said, "You could convert it to struts a lot cheaper than that.".
21:48 Schestowitz-3; and kids last longere thtn cars
21:48 Schestowitz-3; usually
21:48 DaemonFC; He asks Shaq. Shaq says "About $1,000.".
21:48 DaemonFC; The guy goes "Okay, let's do that then." Then he tells me "Hey thanks, man!".
21:49 DaemonFC; You can change over a Cadillac to quick struts. It won't ride like a Cadillac anymore, but it's a lot better than a broken air ride.
21:49 DaemonFC; :)
21:49 DaemonFC; I figured nobody wants to put over $4,000 into a new air ride on a 98 Cadillac.
21:50 Schestowitz-3; I have a daft
21:50 Schestowitz-3; wanna read?
21:50 Schestowitz-3; \*draft
21:51 DaemonFC; It's Waukegan, so I mean, even if you did fix it to OE specifications, you could turn out of the parking lot and have one of those unguided missiles with no car insurance hit you.
21:51 matey; the US has a very negative image here <- britain followed the usa into war crimes
21:51 matey; if you and a guy rob a bank, youd ultimately like people to think what a lousy guy the other robber is
21:51 DaemonFC; It's better to just fix what's actually wrong with the car until it's no longer worth it anymore.
21:51 matey; and ignore your part in it
21:51 matey; brits that look down on americans should stop following them into illegal wars
21:52 DaemonFC; You can dump any amount of money you want to into dealing with something that's an annoyance, or you can just drive it and keep it fixed up enough to get you around.
21:52 matey; maybe give back the money they exploited from all those deaths
21:52 DaemonFC; That'll be hard enough anyway.
21:52 DaemonFC; <Schestowitz-3> wanna read?
21:52 DaemonFC; Sure.
21:52 matey; "our murders for profit are CIVILISED-- YOURS are UNCOUTH!"
21:52 matey; doesnt matter if thats what you said or not
21:52 DaemonFC; Those people who buy Teslas are not buying them for longevity or practicality.
21:52 matey; thats how stupid the british mentality about this is
21:52 matey; literally, "our murders dont stink"
21:53 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/epo-faking-popularity/
21:53 DaemonFC; Yeah, they have Boris Police Bill Johnson.
21:53 TR Bot; EPO Management Glorifies Illegal Agenda and Violations of the European Patent Convention (EPC) to Impress the Administrative Council | Techrights
21:53 DaemonFC; They sent tens of thousands of soldiers into Iraq and Afghanistan.
21:53 DaemonFC; Hell, Roy even calls him Borisinaro for his COVID response.
21:53 matey; every time i talk to some pompous british idiot about this
21:53 matey; i want to drag them to the hague
21:53 matey; "here-- you supported this"
21:53 matey; "now pay for your crimes"
21:53 matey; morons
21:54 matey; i dont hate british people
21:54 matey; i hate idiots
21:54 matey; some british people are idiots
21:54 matey; and some are simply lovely
21:54 DaemonFC; "As the meeting of the Administrative Council approaches the Mafia brings out the lies"
21:54 matey; and usually, theyre the once to decide
21:55 matey; granted, ill give them this. most brits are better typists
21:56 DaemonFC; "illegal agenda"
21:56 matey; if they learned from previous mistakes it would suffice
21:56 DaemonFC; an illegal agenda
21:56 matey; but thats not the point of denying previous faults and shortsightedness
21:56 matey; they want to be absolved of responsibility AND take the credit for all the good thats been done
21:56 matey; i gotta say-- not as much good has been done as they think
21:56 DaemonFC; The UK is contributing to screwing up the world as much as is possible given their rather smallish size and importants.
21:56 matey; a lot of that is just crap
21:57 DaemonFC; *importance
21:57 matey; and some of it-- hey, credit where credit is due
21:57 matey; but no more than that
21:57 DaemonFC; I mean, they try at fascism. What did THEY gain from Iraq?
21:57 DaemonFC; Nothing.
21:57 DaemonFC; Pretty much nothing.
21:58 matey; brits who theyre political superior are like prius owners who brag about fuel economy and then everything they own is made by child/slave labour
21:58 DaemonFC; If the US had not sanctioned Iraq or Iran's oil, or Venezuela, or Argentina, or Chile, then things wouldn't be so bad right now.
21:58 matey; youre not THAT amazing a consumer
21:58 matey; youre not even so informed
21:58 DaemonFC; The sanctions are what made Putin a threat.
21:58 DaemonFC; Europe didn't want to do business with countries the US was sanctioning, so they entered into oil and gas agreements with Russia.
21:58 matey; and they REALLY LOVE to talk about it ALL THE TIME
21:58 matey; like
21:58 matey; maybe, if they talk about americans for the next 20 years
21:58 DaemonFC; And Putin is using, basically, their money to fund his war in Ukraine.
21:59 matey; blair will no longer be a war criminal they supported
21:59 matey; good luck with that
21:59 DaemonFC; And now Europe is panicking at the last minute because they figured they could just pursue appeasement.
21:59 DaemonFC; It worked very well when the UK tried to appease Hitler.
21:59 DaemonFC; They figured it would work well with Putin.
21:59 DaemonFC; Oh, he'll stop at Poland....right? RIGHT!?
21:59 matey; maybe brits care about the differences between blair and putin
22:00 matey; but i doubt the iraqis and ukrainians do
22:01 matey; maybe the next time they want to talk about americans
22:01 matey; they should go look up what britain did to civilians a couple decades ago
22:01 matey; it probably wont be the last time
22:01 matey; OH BUT THEY PAY TAXES
22:02 Schestowitz-3; DaemonFC: thanks, corrected
22:02 matey; into a healthcare system that becomes a little closer to the american farce the longer new labour stays releavnt
22:02 matey; well
22:02 Schestowitz-3; let me if you spot anything else later
22:02 matey; thats what makes you great person politically
22:02 matey; spending money on government
22:02 matey; bad people dont pay taxes
22:02 TR News; EPO Management Glorifies Illegal Agenda and Violations of the European Patent Convention (EPC) to Impress the Administrative Council | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/epo-faking-popularity/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/epo-faking-popularity/
22:02 TR Bot; EPO Management Glorifies Illegal Agenda and Violations of the European Patent Convention (EPC) to Impress the Administrative Council | Techrights
22:03 matey; and people who pay taxes can murder civilians with impunity
22:03 matey; thats the difference
22:03 DaemonFC; I might talk about NordVPN some more.
22:03 matey; they should just close the prisons and setup a murder tax
22:04 matey; as long as you pay taxes, its no big deal
22:04 TR News; DNF Command Line Package Manager in Linux: A Complete Guide Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166558
22:04 TR Bot; DNF Command Line Package Manager in Linux: A Complete Guide | Tux Machines
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22:04 matey; maybe we can bring back the third reich, and just make sure all the nazis pay a war crimes tax
22:05 matey; thats basically what ibm does now
22:05 Schestowitz-3; ICBM
22:05 Schestowitz-3; the cole war might save them
22:05 Schestowitz-3; cold war 2
22:05 Schestowitz-3; more activity in the nuclea arsenals
22:05 Schestowitz-3; peak readiness
22:05 matey; cold day in hell war
22:05 Schestowitz-3; the warheads need to be working 100% of the time
22:06 Schestowitz-3; putin is a dinobaby
22:06 matey; you can kill some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time
22:06 Schestowitz-3; lol
22:06 matey; but you cant kill all of the people all of the time
22:06 Schestowitz-3; fire them
22:06 Schestowitz-3; ICBM: we fire
22:06 Schestowitz-3; FIRE!!
22:06 Schestowitz-3; matey: you can't fire a slave
22:06 Schestowitz-3; you can reject the slavee
22:06 matey; right in the fuhrers face
22:07 Schestowitz-3; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dZlFBSRrSR0
22:07 TR Bot; Spike Jones Der Fuehrer's Face - Invidious
22:08 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nkEZTt_h8mE
22:08 TR Bot; 1942 HITS ARCHIVE: Der Fuehrers Face - Spike Jones (Carl Grayson & band, vocal) - Invidious
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22:20 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/nordvpn-becoming-more-annoying-and-scammy/
22:21 TR Bot; NordVPN becoming more annoying and scammy. BaronHK's Rants
22:21 DaemonFC; The Tor Network is unbelievably slow.
22:21 DaemonFC; It's not good for sharing files, especially large ones.
22:22 DaemonFC; A few BitTorrent clients had "Tor" plug-ins, and then leaked out your real IP address anyway.
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22:24 matey; matey: you can't fire a slave <- debatable https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_1VoMLwb_oA
22:24 TR Bot; What Happened When Kamikaze Pilots Failed or Wimped Out? (Short Animated Documentary) - Invidious
22:25 TR News; [Meme] Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campino Buying Elections Since 2010 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/meme-benoit-battistelli-and-antonio-campino-buying-elections-since-2010/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/meme-benoit-battistelli-and-antonio-campino-buying-elections-since-2010/
22:25 TR Bot; [Meme] Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campino Buying Elections Since 2010 | Techrights
22:27 DaemonFC; https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/27/23184792/supreme-court-coral-ridge-splc-petition-denied-libel-law-actual-malice
22:27 TR Bot; The Supreme Court says it wont consider rewriting defamation law... yet - The Verge
22:29 DaemonFC; The Supreme Court is ruining the country and Biden's only response was to sign a bill giving them a massive expansion of round the clock security because people are mad enough to kill them.
22:30 TR News; "A common tactic seems to be creating some kind of division between 'reckless populists' who advocate for things like abolishing carbon taxes that adversely affect working people and the 'sensible middle-class/elite' who accept the need for 'sacrifices' to save the planet." gemini://spool-five.com/gemlog/2022-06-27-re_Communism_Against_Earth.gmi
22:30 DaemonFC; He's worthless.
22:34 Schestowitz-3; Dthe GOP would have don e the same
22:34 Schestowitz-3; the issue here is more profound
22:34 Schestowitz-3; like, how did JUSDGES like these become JUSTICES
22:34 Schestowitz-3; and why did they make such foolish judgments
22:34 Schestowitz-3; and then why are people up in arms literally?
22:34 Schestowitz-3; see SCOTUS
22:35 Schestowitz-3; it is enabling this sordid mess
22:35 Schestowitz-3; where like 50k die each year (maybe more) from gun violence
22:35 Schestowitz-3; nos suicide by gun
22:35 Schestowitz-3; *not
22:35 Schestowitz-3; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
22:35 TR Bot; List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia
22:36 Schestowitz-3; https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/how-countries-like-the-uk-have-quelled-gun-violence
↺ https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/how-countries-like-the-uk-have-quelled-gun-violence
22:36 TR Bot; Other countries' gun violence solutions
22:36 Schestowitz-3; LOLA
22:36 Schestowitz-3; 120.5 guns per 100 citizens
22:36 Schestowitz-3; more guns than citizens
22:36 Schestowitz-3; inc. babies
22:36 DaemonFC; I found mom a VHS system at the Salvation Army for $1.99 a few years ago. I still use them.
22:37 Schestowitz-3; next in the list is serbia
22:37 Schestowitz-3; 38 guns per 100
22:37 DaemonFC; I have a stockpile of blank tapes that still work or haven't even been opened.e
22:37 Schestowitz-3; UK 2.8 per 100
22:37 DaemonFC; The whole point of DTV was to take away your ability to record over the air TV.
22:38 DaemonFC; It's still legal if they don't "restrict" it, but even in Windows 7's DVR program (assuming lots of DVRs?) they send a signal that says "no recording allowed" and bypassing that is an offense.
22:38 DaemonFC; But since the signal gets lost if you use a digital to analog converter and run it into a VCR that doesn't understand what it is anyway, it's easy to bypass.
22:38 mole; besides, almost the entire multimedia software-stack is technical rubbish
22:39 DaemonFC; I hate DTV.
22:39 DaemonFC; It's either really good signal, or nothing.
22:39 mole; analog is completely shutdown
22:39 DaemonFC; A car goes by and it completely goes out for several seconds and then comes back.
22:39 TR News; "The next GNU Hackers' Meeting will take place in zmir, Turkey, in October 2022. Please see the event web page at https://gnu.org/ghm/2022 ." http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10201
22:39 TR Bot; GNU Hackers' Meeting 2022 in zmir, Turkey GNU Project Free Software Foundation (FSF)
22:39 TR Bot; GNU Hackers Meetings - News: GHM 2022 confirmed [Savannah]
22:40 DaemonFC; Analog, there was a bit of snow. The snow got worse the further the station was from you. Eventually, no reception.
22:40 DaemonFC; But partial reception is still intelligible most of the time.
22:40 mole; the entire software-stack is crap, all of it
22:40 DaemonFC; They ruin everything.
22:40 DaemonFC; Stuffing it with DRM and patents.
22:40 *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights
22:41 TR News; The Faster The Switch, The Cheaper Bit Flits <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/06/27/the-faster-the-switch-the-cheaper-bit-flits/"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
22:41 TR Bot; The Faster The Switch, The Cheaper Bit Flits
22:41 DaemonFC; They want to free up "spectrum" for T-Mobile so they can spy on your phones.
22:41 mole; various de/encoders, de-modulators, tuner drivers, the opengl stack, hdmi, the media players, it's all crap
22:41 mole; opensource or not
22:41 Schestowitz-3; https://tuxphones.com/mnt-pocketreform-open-hardware-linux-pda-keyboard-arm/
22:41 TR Bot; The PocketReform is a made-in-Berlin Linux handheld
22:42 matey; https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/how-countries-like-the-uk-have-quelled-gun-violenc <- while starving their people and also quelling kitchen knife sales
22:42 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/how-countries-like-the-uk-have-quelled-gun-violenc )
22:42 TR News; GNOME Introductory Post https://kyteinsky.github.io/p/gnome-introductory-post/ Source: kyteinsky
22:42 TR Bot; GNOME Introductory Post
22:42 TR News; The Faster The Switch, The Cheaper Bit Flits https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/06/27/the-faster-the-switch-the-cheaper-bit-flits/ Source: nextplatform
22:43 matey; 120.5 guns per 100 citizens <- hard to say if thats wasteful or conservative
22:43 DaemonFC; https://abc7chicago.com/returns-unwanted-items-stores-target/11997133/?ex_cid=TA_WLS_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
22:43 TR Bot; Keep your returns: Target, Walmart, Gap, American Eagle stores weigh paying you not to bring back unwanted items - ABC7 Chicago
22:43 DaemonFC; Well, the problem is that all of the far-right nuts have them.
22:43 Schestowitz-3; matey: men have two hands
22:43 DaemonFC; So now everyone needs them.,
22:43 Schestowitz-3; women have two hands
22:43 Schestowitz-3; babies can carry ammo
22:44 DaemonFC; Wait until the far-right nuts are emboldened by the court into just showing up at abortion clinics in Illinois and shooting people.
22:44 DaemonFC; You need to shoot them first, right?
22:44 DaemonFC; Should have thought about that.
22:44 matey; babies can carry ammo <- they probably shouldnt, unless its rohs ammo, which im pretty sure doesnt exist
22:45 Schestowitz-3; when the alien invades
22:45 Schestowitz-3; momma holds two guns
22:45 Schestowitz-3; daddy holds two guns
22:45 Schestowitz-3; firing away like rambo
22:45 Schestowitz-3; while baby holds the machine gun round
22:45 Schestowitz-3; that';s USA
22:45 Schestowitz-3; maybe there should be a movie like this
22:45 DaemonFC; https://www.thestreet.com/investing/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-having-tough-time-in-court
22:45 TR Bot; CEO Elon Musk Having Tough Time in Court - TheStreet
22:45 Schestowitz-3; the nation with more guns than people
22:45 matey; youre banking on the continued stability of the area where you live, ro
22:45 DaemonFC; More than 500 workers at one factory.
22:45 matey; roy
22:45 DaemonFC; Yeah, there's a healthy company.
22:46 matey; if you find yourself in a civil war, youll be glad you have weapons
22:46 matey; but youre banking on that being a silly concept
22:46 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, Don't worry, everyone in California is a bunch of pussies who are afraid of guns.
22:46 matey; these days, its really not
22:46 DaemonFC; So they just remove them from movies these days and act like they don't exist.
22:46 matey; now think about ukraine
22:46 matey; really, just shut the fuck up for two seconds, and think about ukraine
22:46 Schestowitz-3; tanks are gun resistant
22:47 DaemonFC; I had one pointed at me, Roy.
22:47 matey; do you really think theyre better off with fewer guns? or more
22:47 Schestowitz-3; yoiu need better weapons
22:47 DaemonFC; By a criminal.
22:47 DaemonFC; Think he had a FOID card?
22:47 DaemonFC; A CCL maybe?
22:47 TR News; As the meeting of the Administrative Council approaches the Mafia brings out the lies and makes a happy face, helped by lobbyists and patent maximalists that pursue an illegal agenda and deliberate violations of the European Patent Convention http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/epo-faking-popularity/
22:47 TR Bot; EPO Management Glorifies Illegal Agenda and Violations of the European Patent Convention (EPC) to Impress the Administrative Council | Techrights
22:47 matey; so youre saying that guns arent useful in the russian invasion
22:47 TR News; Ever wondered how criminals like Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campinos could seize and retain power at the EPO? They know exactly what theyre doing and theres nothing stopping them http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/meme-benoit-battistelli-and-antonio-campino-buying-elections-since-2010/
22:47 TR Bot; [Meme] Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campino Buying Elections Since 2010 | Techrights
22:47 matey; theyre not useful to the ukrainians
22:47 matey; youre really saying that
22:47 Schestowitz-3; matey: depends on the logitics
22:48 Schestowitz-3; many wars these days happen int he air
22:48 matey; yes ive seen a lot of russian tanks flying around lately
22:48 matey; only on youtube
22:48 Schestowitz-3; they are destroyed not by bullets
22:48 Schestowitz-3; but things like rpgs
22:48 Schestowitz-3; and air-to-surface
22:49 matey; you raise missing the point to an artform
22:49 matey; on a routine basis
22:49 matey; i swear its what your phd is in
22:49 matey; was your thesis on missing the point?
22:49 matey; or changing the subject
22:49 Schestowitz-3; guerrilla warfare works on ground confrontation
22:50 Schestowitz-3; otherwise you need special weapons
22:50 Schestowitz-3; ukraine already gets thos
22:50 matey; a LOT of vietnam was air based
22:50 Schestowitz-3; that's why they take down battalions
22:50 Schestowitz-3; matey: yes,a dn US killed millions
22:50 matey; and yet with all that air support
22:50 Schestowitz-3; lostt 60,000 on the ground
22:50 matey; they couldnt "win"
22:51 Schestowitz-3; they kiiled a lot of people
22:51 Schestowitz-3; that's what war does
22:51 Schestowitz-3; no side "wins"
22:51 Schestowitz-3; the US ran away
22:51 Schestowitz-3; tired of killing millions overe nothing
22:51 Schestowitz-3; same in korea
22:51 Schestowitz-3; they called it a draw
22:51 Schestowitz-3; and left with dmz
22:51 Schestowitz-3; iraq
22:51 Schestowitz-3; they just leave a mess behind, leave
22:51 Schestowitz-3; they lost in afghanistan
22:51 Schestowitz-3; taliban won after 20 years
22:52 Schestowitz-3; bbl
22:53 matey; figuring out why people fight is probably a better strategy than gun control
22:53 matey; since the cartels will always have guns
22:53 matey; the police will always have guns
22:54 matey; the armed forces will always have guns
22:54 matey; but the people who need them most dont always
22:54 matey; you arent really talking about getting rid of gun violence
22:54 matey; youre only talking about keeping one group of people disarmed
22:54 matey; while everyone else can shoot them
22:55 matey; and you want to talk about "logistics"
22:56 matey; the people who cause the most gun deaths have access to weapons
22:56 matey; the state, the armed forces, the police
22:57 matey; the state causes the most gun deaths by far
22:57 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, The Bear Sterns of Bitcoin is going under.
22:57 matey; all over the world
22:57 matey; if the civilians had guns, they wouldnt need the state
22:57 DaemonFC; Three Arrows Capital has failed to pay a $700 million dollar loan that its creditors demanded because they "invested" it in crypto and don't have the money now.
22:57 matey; and the number of wars would go down
22:57 matey; and with that, the number of gun deaths would go down
22:57 matey; the amount of poverty would go down
22:58 matey; the amount of injustice would go down
22:58 matey; you put the power in the hands of the state-- you get either stalinism
22:58 matey; hitlerism
22:58 matey; or some lighter form of one of those
22:58 matey; if the native americans had been properly armed
22:58 matey; there might be more of them alive today
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 6.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
22:59 matey; the history of the british state is of conquor, enslavement, exploitation
23:00 matey; you want to make england more like india was under the crown
23:00 matey; weird flex but ok
23:00 matey; even after you pass all the stupid laws
23:00 matey; implement all the dumbest ideas
23:01 matey; brits will ultimately take guns for themselves and distribute them as needed, in the long run
23:01 DaemonFC; https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/reasons-switch-youtube-to-dtube/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1656218443
23:01 TR Bot; 8 Reasons to Switch From YouTube to DTube
23:01 matey; the whole gun control idea was a farce
23:01 DaemonFC; DTube?
23:01 matey; but the kitchen knife control idea is even more laughable
23:01 matey; next theyll be stationing guards around forests to control pointed sticks
23:02 DaemonFC; I think people are getting tired of GulagTube and will be looking at alternatives that are difficult to censor.
23:02 matey; the left and the right dont have worlds full of common ground
23:02 matey; they agree on guns
23:03 matey; only the upper class fake left thinks the state should have a monopoly
23:03 matey; all power to the bureaucracy
23:03 DaemonFC; Pretty much the only thing the mister goolags of the world have done is contribute to making things that were already pretty nasty so nasty that soon people won't even have a choice except to leave.
23:03 matey; thats stalinism, or hitlerism, but the upper class fake left doesnt know shit anyway
23:04 matey; their arguments are circular, they have no first-hand experience to learn from
23:04 matey; they cite books they wrote themselves based on similar books saying similar crap based on similar lack of experience and self-serving massaging of history
23:05 matey; their world is a world of upper class twits
23:05 matey; sometimes very meagre upper class bullshit
23:05 matey; but theyre upper class twits all the same
23:06 matey; ultimately as clueless as the lowest rungs of the royal family
23:06 matey; without the slightest inkling of how the world works-- theyve never even visited
23:06 matey; they wouldnt know what they saw
23:07 matey; as isolated as any disney princess-- if not moreso
23:07 matey; and about as realistic
23:07 matey; but they sure do have answers
23:07 DaemonFC; https://www.thestreet.com/investing/burger-king-impossible-mcdonalds-mcplant
23:07 TR Bot; King's New Sandwich Copies a McDonald's Failure (And a Classic) - TheStreet
23:07 matey; based on pure crap
23:07 DaemonFC; "While both McPlant and Impossible Whopper contain vegetarian ingredients, neither is handled in a way that a true vegetarian would actually consider eating either one. "
23:08 DaemonFC; "And, that's the second problem. Neither McPlant nor Impossible Whopper offers a significant health advantage over their meat-based counterparts. It's more about the concept of the burger being plant-based than it actually being a healthy choice."
23:08 DaemonFC; Bill's Burgers are in trouble.
23:08 matey; i think we even get to the part of politics where
23:08 DaemonFC; They cost more, they're not good, and they have just as much saturated fat and cholesterol and three times the sodium as a regular Whopper.
23:08 matey; jim zemlin and roy schestowitz have nothing to argue about
23:09 matey; upper class twit solutions to an upper class twit view of the world
23:09 DaemonFC; Burger King should quit chasing off their core customers.
23:09 matey; maybe zemlin is more down to earth than that
23:09 DaemonFC; In the 1990s, they used to put cigarette ashtrays on every table.
23:09 DaemonFC; People who want health food are not going to a place that sells burgers and fries.
23:10 matey; i kind of doubt it. i think he wears a suit and tie to bed "itll get wrinkled!" "thats what cleaners are for"
23:10 DaemonFC; Schestowitz-3, I finally went on a statin drug.
23:11 DaemonFC; The doctor tried to put me on double the amount I probably needed to be on until I argued that the minimum dose was almost equally effective with about half the chances of severe or major side effects.
23:11 DaemonFC; The doctors don't even read the NIH studies.
23:11 DaemonFC; The 5 mg dose of Crestor reduced LDL-C by 45% on average. That's a very powerful drug, and it does go up to 40 mg, however the 10 mg dose only reduces LDL-C by about 48%.
23:12 DaemonFC; So you double the dose and it does increase the odds of side effects, but doesn't have much of an effect on cholesterol.
23:12 DaemonFC; This is telling me that most of the dosages available with Crestor (maybe other statins too) are unnecessary and the risk outweighs the benefit in like 95% of patients.
23:13 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/27/no-strategic-value "Ukraine reports at least 50 injured, 13 dead following Russian missile strike on Kremenchuk shopping mall"
23:13 TR Bot; NO TITLE
23:13 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/27/a78116
23:13 TR Bot; Russian Demand Spikes for Pirated Microsoft Windows Kommersant - The Moscow Times
23:13 DaemonFC; Yes, Russia is a terrorist state.
23:13 DaemonFC; A shopping mall is not a legitimate military target.
23:13 matey; on march 9 the russian military launched a missile at ukraine, which the ukranians shot down
23:14 matey; it contained cluster bombs
23:14 matey; i dont know what kind
23:14 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1541178759654653960 <https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/27/russian-demand-spikes-for-pirated-microsoft-windows-kommersant-a78116>
23:14 matey; cluster bombs are frowned on if not outright banned
23:14 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Tonight on state TV, Andrey Gurulyov, State Duma deputy, former deputy commander of Russia's southern military district, discussed the size of the Suwaki corridor that would satisfy Russia, the potential confrontation with NATO & other items that might be on the Kremlin's menu."|nitter
23:14 DaemonFC; Oh, didn't Russia sign that anti-cluster bomb treaty that they criticized the US for not signing?
23:14 DaemonFC; Obviously that did a lot of good.
23:14 matey; because they sort of turn into de facto landmines and kids blow themselves up after the war is over
23:14 XRevan86; DaemonFC: It didn't, yes.
23:15 matey; hopefully this is propaganda and the missile didnt have cluster bombs
23:15 matey; but you know
23:15 matey; war is fugly as sin
23:15 matey; and people treat international law as a guideline at best
23:16 matey; when they dont use it as toilet paper
23:16 matey; XRevans take on things is always welcome imo
23:16 XRevan86; DaemonFC: The thing is that the Ministry of War even denies hitting a building in Kyiv, claims air defence shot a missile down and it hit the building instead of the factory Artem.
23:16 matey; because if he bullshits, i cant tell
23:17 matey; and he seems not to
23:17 DaemonFC; Yeah, well, Putin is very credible. I'm sure we can trust that.
23:17 DaemonFC; :)
23:17 mole; today they said, Russia was bancrupt, because Russia wanted to comply with obligations yet was not permitted transactions because sanctions
23:17 XRevan86; Even though the building is right next to the factory, and air defence doesn't just shoot missiles just as they reach the target in the city.
23:18 DaemonFC; If we allow Russia to make debt payments, it encourages people to lend to them in the future.
23:18 DaemonFC; If they don't know whether they will be paid back, they will go invest it some other way, even after the sanctions are gone.
23:18 XRevan86; When they hit the mall, I've no idea what the military goal even was. Was there one?
23:19 matey; I've no idea what the military goal even was. Was there one? "blow shit up?"
23:19 matey; cause confusion and unrest
23:19 XRevan86; matey: That's what comes to mind, yes.
23:20 matey; if real strategic objectives are impossible
23:20 matey; just go for shock and awe?
23:21 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/Shayan86/status/1541534086745018368 sigh
23:21 TR Bot; Shayan Sardarizadeh (@Shayan86): "It's day 124 of Ukraine war. Dmitry Polyanskiy, a member of the Russian mission to the UN, says the Kremenchuk shopping centre attack is a "Bucha-style Ukrainian provocation". There's a mountain of evidence that proves beyond doubt civilian killings in Bucha by Russian forces."|nitter
23:21 mole; did russian military confirm it was them who did it?
23:23 matey; It's day 97 of war in Ukraine. Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene and right-wing user Ian Miles Cheong claimed the Pride flag had been altered to incorporate the colours of the Ukrainian flag. But the flag is fake and was created as a joke, via @knowyourmeme.
23:23 matey; heh
23:23 XRevan86; mole: No real comment yet.
23:23 XRevan86; But I can guarantee they won't take responsibility.
23:23 matey; Marjorie Taylor Greene is a name ive never heard associated with anything but punch-yourself level idiocy
23:24 XRevan86; * https://nitter.net/Shayan86/status/1541534086745018368#m oops, left out the #m
23:24 TR Bot; Shayan Sardarizadeh (@Shayan86): "It's day 124 of Ukraine war. Dmitry Polyanskiy, a member of the Russian mission to the UN, says the Kremenchuk shopping centre attack is a "Bucha-style Ukrainian provocation". There's a mountain of evidence that proves beyond doubt civilian killings in Bucha by Russian forces."|nitter
23:25 matey; Lazy Russians already lying and calling their latest war crime a false flag attack. Same Russian Empire playbook every single time
23:25 mole; "climate action", among the most plausible explanations
23:25 matey; the whole thing start with russia using false flag bs as a reason to go to Not-War
23:26 mole; to orchestrate a media spectacle
23:26 matey; when they say false flag they might as well say "No U"
23:26 mole; with german internal-politics and their propaganda spoutings, this fits into as a minor missing puzzle piece
23:27 mole; because, some washington mouthpieces in german politics, are struggling, and welcome every opportunity to prepetuate insane propaganda lies
23:27 XRevan86; I wonder who even believes them. Statistically speaking, they should've fscked up at least once, but they took responsility for literally nothing, so it should raise some eye-brows even for the most ignorant and nave.
23:28 matey; it should raise some eye-brows even for the most ignorant and nave. <- maybe they have botox
23:28 matey; "it sank?"
23:29 MinceR; sadly, there are many ruscists, they probably believe every word of orcish state propaganda
23:29 MinceR; even the words that contradict each other
23:29 mole; gas storage doesn't re-fill as planned for next winter-season, in germany, because russia they say
23:30 mole; in parallel, insane subsidies into "renewable" scam (trillion cash something), this is what they want to distract from, in germany
23:30 mole; because, some wind mills were supposed to provide german industry with energy, because evil russians
23:31 mole; total nonsense; nonetheless, this washington-mouthpiece apparatus got ambitions here, and if some truth was dripping into public
23:31 matey; there are many ruscists, they probably believe every word of orcish state propaganda <- heres another theory: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_uQCNjIHeqU
23:31 TR Bot; Do most Russians really support the "special operation"? - Invidious
23:31 mole; a gigantic bubble would bust
23:31 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
23:31 TR Bot; Manufacturing Consent - Wikipedia
23:32 matey; by no means am i suggesting ruscists dont exist
23:32 matey; the trick is counting them
23:32 mole; hence, every opportunity to deflect onto Vladimirowitsch the Evil is utilized, to perpetuate some "anti fossil" agenda, which by coincidence too benefits USA with lower energy prices
23:32 matey; try counting the number of people that think systemd is a great idea
23:33 matey; the fanboys used to say most poeple dont care what init system they had
23:33 matey; what they meant was, only people who wanted systemd had opinions that mattered
23:34 matey; even if systemd was reliable and technologically superior, i would have rejected it on various grounds http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/different-circumstances/
23:34 TR Bot; I Would Have Supported the Coup (Under Very Different Circumstances) | Techrights
23:34 matey; its pure arseholeware
23:34 matey; i dont just mean the devs are arseholes-- although they are
23:35 MinceR; 28 003124 < matey> there are many ruscists, they probably believe every word of orcish state propaganda <- heres another theory: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_uQCNjIHeqU
23:35 MinceR; there are many ruscists outside orcland
23:35 MinceR; in hungary, for example
23:35 matey; arseholeware is more about the software itself than just the devs
23:35 matey; if software were capable of being a douchebag
23:35 MinceR; also in the usa
23:35 XRevan86; matey: "and he seems not to" <- :)
23:35 matey; systemd would be one of the ultimately douchebags
23:36 matey; /me still thinks lennart will be outed as a nazi at some point
23:37 matey; at least a soup nazi
23:37 matey; NO SHUTDOWN FOR YOU!
23:37 MinceR; or a taco nazi
23:37 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5QLpj3onK0
23:37 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=F5QLpj3onK0
23:37 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=F5QLpj3onK0 )
23:39 matey; <MinceR> there are many ruscists outside orcland <MinceR> in hungary, for example <MinceR> also in the usa
23:39 matey; imo thats a different category
23:39 matey; its not unfair to say theyre ruscists
23:39 MinceR; in what way?
23:39 matey; but really theyre opportunists who see something to gain from this
23:39 matey; i mean
23:39 MinceR; hungary's number one ruscist, viktor orban, is lobbying for vladolf in the EU
23:40 matey; its the difference between joining a church because you believe in something
23:40 matey; and joining a church to get laid
23:40 MinceR; there's no excuse for being a ruscist in the same way as there's no excuse for being a nazi
23:40 matey; i agree
23:40 matey; but the lack of excuse doesnt change the fact that the explanation is of a different nature
23:41 matey; even if its just as appalling and inexcusable
23:41 matey; the opportunist is not a believer
23:41 matey; if youre counting people who believe, the opportunists are different
23:41 matey; opportunists arent suckered into think its the right thing
23:42 matey; they know its not-- and dont give a fuck
23:42 matey; in some ways its even more appalling
23:42 matey; but i still give it its own category when im trying to understand why people are idiots
23:43 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/lake-county-il-health-department-doctors-should-probably-be-avoided-in-my-experience/
23:43 TR Bot; Lake County, IL Health Department doctors should probably be avoided, in my experience. BaronHK's Rants
23:43 MinceR; people are idiots because our society favors the breeding of idiots the most
23:43 DaemonFC; It seems a lot of doctors out there either want to do nothing or two times as much as they should.
23:43 MinceR; and it has been that way for a long time
23:43 matey; i dont think its a genetic thing (primarily)
23:43 MinceR; sure, the state also does what it can to dumb people down
23:44 matey; we do live in a society that conditions people to be cunts
23:44 MinceR; and so do the corporations
23:44 DaemonFC; MinceR, Schestowitz-3 said it's better to turn healthcare over to the state.
23:44 DaemonFC; Well, that's what the Lake County Health Department is. The state.
23:44 matey; no argument there
23:44 MinceR; we live in a society that gives all the power to sociopaths and idolizes evil for evil's sake
23:44 MinceR; and then we're wondering why most people are evil
23:44 matey; yep
23:44 DaemonFC; Maybe he can read that and tell me why I should go see the state instead of a private doctor that knows what the hell she's doing and actually wants to help.
23:44 matey; yep, except to me its no mystery
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23:45 matey; society is broken
23:45 *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@mbdp3x2m46v36.irc) has joined #techrights
23:46 matey; and most people want to fix it a few molecules at a time, while the corruption happens on a much broader level
23:46 matey; people want to create devuan while systemd infects the kernel
23:46 DaemonFC; They call high blood pressure the silent killer.
23:46 DaemonFC; Because most people just get used to it, and ignore it.
23:46 matey; and devuan needs most of a decade to even get started on what they promised
23:46 DaemonFC; It does its damage in such a sneaky way that it takes years, usually.
23:46 DaemonFC; And by that time you're on dialysis or stroking out.
23:47 DaemonFC; Or dead.
23:47 MinceR; DaemonFC: i suspect that state healthcare is not that broken in all countries
23:47 matey; /me wishes roy was a real investigator, who could figure out just what took them so fucking long
23:47 DaemonFC; They don't like to start people in their 30s out on blood pressure meds.
23:47 MinceR; i suspect devuan isn't going anywhere
23:47 matey; im not interested enough to devote all my time to that, and i dont blame him for not being either
23:47 DaemonFC; My ex had a stroke from hypertensive crisis when he was 35.
23:47 DaemonFC; He's not even fat!
23:47 matey; i suspect devuan isn't going anywhere <- only because thats what its always done
23:47 matey; they thought they were a coup
23:48 DaemonFC; If you need the meds, you need the meds.
23:48 matey; they were more of a picket line
23:48 matey; they turn away most talent and contributions
23:48 matey; preferring to pin medals on themselves for the war in vietnam, which they lost
23:49 matey; fsmithred isnt so bad
23:49 matey; i met him in person
23:49 matey; hes in charge of devuan live
23:49 matey; but ill tell you where he and i will never agree
23:49 matey; he sides with the very worst of them
23:49 matey; and that makes him useless even if skills wise and
23:50 matey; hes got plenty of integrity as long as you dont surround him with horrible people
23:50 matey; if you do, he will defend them to the bitter end
23:50 matey; he prefers to be on the wrong side of history
23:50 matey; other than that i think he means well
23:51 matey; hes also the best person theyve got
23:51 matey; everyone else is worse than that
23:51 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/06/23/awkward-convos-kids/
23:51 TR Bot; Having Awkward Conversations Is Just Part Of Being A Parent (25 Tweets)
23:52 matey; devuan doesnt really care about users more than the fsf
23:52 matey; the fsf cares about the fsdg and users can pound sand
23:52 matey; devuan cares about systemd, but cant do much about it-- and users can kiss their arse
23:53 matey; at the very least, i dont think the queue is getting longer
23:53 MinceR; at least the people maintaining devuan use devuan
23:54 matey; sur
23:54 matey; thats because they dont know how anything else works
23:54 MinceR; no, that's because they maintain it for themselves
23:54 matey; too bad, if they did devuan might be farther along by now
23:54 matey; no, that's because they maintain it for themselves <- yeah
23:55 matey; but tbh
23:55 matey; plenty of people treat themselves better than that
23:55 MinceR; indeed
23:56 matey; trying to salvage debian was a brilliant idea
23:56 matey; after 5 years, certainly 7
23:56 matey; the writing was on the wall
23:56 matey; devuan is a better name than "sunk cost fallacy"
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