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00:00 Helenah; Like... male nor female?
00:00 Helenah; I'm confused...
00:00 DaemonFC; When I go outside, I may not be dressed in the nicest clothes, but I'm not letting my sex organs hang out.
00:00 DaemonFC; I think societal decay is responsible for a lot of this "rape culture" problem that mjg59_ is so worked up about.
00:00 Helenah; Wait... slow down a min...
00:00 Helenah; rape culture problem?
00:00 DaemonFC; Not all, maybe not most, but some.
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: in the 70s many women went around topless
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; that does not happen anymore
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; so what you describe is hardly new
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; you can still find photo albums of people in the 1970s
00:01 Helenah; Why would your sex organs hang out of your clothes anyway?
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; topless
00:01 DaemonFC; The mass media also fuels this problem.
00:02 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/weekend-random-randomness-8-6-22-5.jpg
00:02 DaemonFC; They give men and women these impossible standards and then nobody wants to have sex with real people anymore.
00:02 Helenah; I'm struggling with tis... lol
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00:02 DaemonFC; Real people might have bad teeth, some hair issues, might be a little overweight.
00:02 Helenah; Maybe American culture is VERY different...
00:03 DaemonFC; The amusing thing about Game of Thrones is that there's a lot of nudity, right?
00:03 DaemonFC; And it's not like what you normally see in porn or something.
00:03 DaemonFC; These are what people look like nude.
00:03 Helenah; DaemonFC: This is my "Whatever I want for myself" look https://i.imgur.com/W0lOPlA.jpg
00:03 Helenah; An individualist who er...
00:03 techuser; maybe at least less overpopulation risk
00:03 Helenah; Would rather not sheep others.
00:04 DaemonFC; I'm just disgusted by our culture.
00:04 Helenah; Personally I wouldn't go nude.
00:04 Helenah; techuser knows why.
00:04 DaemonFC; It takes dumpy people and tells them that other dumpy people aren't good enough for them.
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00:04 techuser; iirc you told here something, and this channel is publicly logged
00:05 DaemonFC; The mass media pushes down a sort of collective mental illness.
00:05 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], ^
00:05 Helenah; hmm
00:05 techuser; sex is too much price to pay
00:05 DaemonFC; Nobody is worried about stopping them.
00:06 DaemonFC; People have been told that getting old and dying without kids means they're a failure.
00:06 DaemonFC; Getting old and dying with kids (workers) to replace them.... GREAT SUCCESS!
00:06 techuser; I don't understand what is a success and what is failure
00:06 techuser; I don't expect I will be accepted by society
00:07 DaemonFC; There is no society, really.
00:07 techuser; seems to be so
00:07 DaemonFC; There's just individuals.
00:07 Helenah; 23:06 <DaemonFC> People have been told that getting old and dying without kids means they're a failure.
00:07 DaemonFC; What gets portrayed as "society" is synthetic.
00:07 Helenah; Not me...
00:07 Helenah; I never had that said to me...
00:07 DaemonFC; It's like a McDonalds hamburger they want everyone to choke down.
00:07 Helenah; I don't have kids, I'm infertile.
00:07 DaemonFC; The media sets expectations low. They make every single thing the same.
00:07 DaemonFC; It's a McDonalds burger.
00:08 Helenah; My mother wants grand children but she understands it's her issue and not mine so she doesn't get on my case about it, she accepts the situation.
00:08 DaemonFC; Nothing in nature is that perfect.
00:08 DaemonFC; If something is as repeatable as a McDonalds hamburger, it's fake.
00:08 techuser; it is evil to "want children"
00:09 Helenah; Well you are concerned about over population.
00:09 techuser; because it means children are equal to property
00:09 DaemonFC; When parents figure out they aren't getting grandchildren, you're cut off.
00:09 DaemonFC; You're on your own.
00:09 DaemonFC; Failed investment.
00:09 techuser; I'm concerned about toxic parent-child relationships (both ways)
00:09 Helenah; DaemonFC: My mother never cut me off.
00:09 Helenah; My sister doesn't want children.
00:09 Helenah; And she said if she was to have a child, she doesn't want to get pregnant.
00:09 Helenah; She wants to adopt
00:09 schestowitz[TR]; midnight here, wif'e birthday started
00:10 Helenah; but she's a lesbian
00:10 schestowitz[TR]; need to draw something
00:10 techuser; parents hate their children for wasting their children, teenagers hate their parents, children of old parents wants them to die for inheritance and no waste of money
00:10 Helenah; I only got a single sibling so my mother can't get grand children from anyone.
00:10 Helenah; She hasn't cut us off.
00:10 Helenah; She supports us both all the same.
00:10 techuser; *wasting their time
00:10 Helenah; I just think American culture is truly fucked up
00:10 techuser; and money
00:10 Helenah; and that's without sounding like UK culture is perfect because it's not, it also has shit in it too.
00:11 Helenah; Don't get me wrong, I like people regardless of if they're American or not...
00:11 Helenah; People as individuals are good or bad
00:11 Helenah; But if DaemonFC is telling the truth...
00:12 Helenah; Then a lot of bad has been said about American culture by them already.
00:12 techuser; if there is shit like this (wanting grandchildren), I would also want my parents to disappear sooner
00:12 Helenah; techuser: She doesn't beg, get on my case or throw it in my face...
00:12 techuser; I have no faith things will get better without major sacrifices
00:12 DaemonFC; <techuser> parents hate their children for wasting their children, teenagers hate their parents, children of old parents wants them to die for inheritance and no waste of money
00:13 Helenah; She has only ever a few times, not many expressed that she'd like grand children.
00:13 Helenah; I don't see an issue with a mere expression like that, a neutral one.
00:13 DaemonFC; The only thing mom's mom did is squander all of her money and wreck the house and then go to the retirement home.
00:13 Helenah; One that isn't intended to get to me
00:13 Helenah; I'd rather know my mother than not know her...
00:13 DaemonFC; She wrecked the Cadillac too.
00:13 DaemonFC; She didn't leave them a damned thing and they still take care of her.
00:14 DaemonFC; She's so mean that the only reason she ever sees anyone in the family is because both my cousins work at the nursing home she lives in.
00:14 Helenah; hmm
00:14 Helenah; Damn
00:14 Helenah; I'm sorry to hear that! :(
00:14 Helenah; Yeah not all family relationships are good
00:15 techuser; I think living together with someone all day is not good for mental health
00:15 techuser; all day, for life
00:15 Helenah; techuser: I'd rather talk to you here, people speak sensical, it's hard to talk with people who are soo set on opinions that make no sense...
00:16 Helenah; Cause I don't want to trample on people...
00:16 Helenah; and I don't like arguments really :D
00:16 Helenah; But yeah, DaemonFC speaks a lot of sense!
00:16 Helenah; He knows stuff.
00:16 Helenah; I like the guy.
00:16 Helenah; techuser: How much of your opinions and views of the world are via misguidance due to the peers you hang around with?
00:16 techuser; I think my life is wasted, and I will never be happy anymore.
00:17 Helenah; You see, Anonymous says similar...
00:17 techuser; I'm not happy with things with tech, but I don't know how to live without it
00:17 Helenah; And you're in a small channel with him...
00:17 techuser; no idea
00:17 Helenah; And Anonymous also mentioned not being happy with tech...
00:17 Helenah; It's like... you rub off on each other...
00:17 DaemonFC; Last time mom tried to go have dinner with her this happened. Before mom even put the car in reverse, my grandmother said "Do you know why you can't keep a man? It's because you're so mean!" and then mom took her to her favorite restaurant. Then by the time they were on the freeway on the way back, Grandma started another argument, sunk her fingernails into mom's hand on the steering wheel and drew blood, and tried to run them underneath a semi
00:17 DaemonFC; trailer.
00:17 Helenah; I could be wrong though!
00:18 Helenah; It's mere observation...
00:18 Helenah; I wanted to point it out because pointing it how keeps you informed.
00:18 DaemonFC; Then mom had to grab grandma's arm to get her off so she could get the car under control again, and old people bruise really easily.
00:18 Helenah; I want you to be an individual, techuser
00:18 DaemonFC; So grandma found the social worker and said mom had beaten her.
00:19 DaemonFC; The social worker opened an investigation, and closed it again after she interviewed 9 family members who said "Grandma does things like this all the time and it's why none of us go anywhere near her.".
00:19 Helenah; Yeah that's sounds bad...
00:19 Helenah; DaFuQ
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00:20 Helenah; Witnesses are your friend :)
00:20 DaemonFC; They talked to me and after I named the 5-6 worst things Grandma ever did to me, including starting a food fight involving a McDonalds Coke and cheeseburger.......
00:20 DaemonFC; They said thank you for talking to us.
00:20 techuser; my grandfather is an annoyance for other family members, but for some reason they don't put him into a mental hospital
00:20 techuser; idk why not
00:20 Helenah; techuser: I've known families who...
00:20 Helenah; no matter what would rather care for the member themselves
00:21 DaemonFC; I said, "This is subjective, but I don't even know how she stayed married for over 50 years. I asked my grandfather when he was alive and he told me 'At least I'll go to Heaven someday.'.".
00:21 Helenah; A care home that doesn't abuse its patients and takes good care of them is a better environment for an elderly person than a family home or their own home is.
00:21 DaemonFC; It's better at a certain point not to even argue with someone about religion.
00:22 Helenah; Yeah
00:22 DaemonFC; If they're so thoroughly convinced that a wasted life that someone else made them suffer through is okay because they're going somewhere, let them.
00:22 Helenah; Do not argue with a religious person about their beliefs :D
00:22 Helenah; or your own!
00:22 Helenah; It always results in chaos. :/
00:22 Helenah; lol
00:22 DaemonFC; Well, you don't resolve anything.
00:22 Helenah; Agreed
00:23 Helenah; you just end up with a verbal fight LOL
00:23 DaemonFC; You'll still believe what you do, they'll still believe what they do. You'll both be pissed at each other and looking for ways to cause problems.
00:23 DaemonFC; Like, especially at work.
00:23 Helenah; hmm
00:23 DaemonFC; They'll go to the boss and say you made them feel uncomfortable by insulting their religious beliefs.
00:23 DaemonFC; Whoopsie.
00:24 Helenah; Yeah, religious people are protected here too and so they should.
00:24 Helenah; be
00:24 Helenah; Cause like...
00:24 Helenah; I don't think they should be at risk of harm or prejudice based on a belief...
00:24 Helenah; a belief that only really affects them
00:25 DaemonFC; They have persecutory delusions.
00:25 DaemonFC; https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-persecutory-delusions-4586500
00:25 TR Bot; What Are Persecutory Delusions?
00:25 Helenah; but I don't think people should be able to force their beliefs into other peoples faces.
00:25 DaemonFC; But that's their problem. Don't play into it. You'll be the one in trouble.
00:25 Helenah; I think it should be personal and kept to ones self.
00:25 techuser; parents tell their children about religion
00:25 techuser; then most people's religion is the one's their parents had
00:25 Helenah; Yeh that's conversion, I don't agree with it, techuser
00:26 Helenah; Religion should be consentual.
00:26 DaemonFC; "or they believe the government is trying to kill them"
00:26 DaemonFC; The government did try to kill me.
00:26 Helenah; It must not be forced.
00:26 Helenah; The Government is the reason why I exist, DaemonFC
00:27 DaemonFC; It's like I just spoke of with schestowitz[TR] about Maricel being nudged out the door at the hospital.
00:27 DaemonFC; They just harass you and lean on you and make life hard and you're supposed to take the hint and walk in front of a train.
00:27 DaemonFC; That's what the police and state government tried to do to me.
00:27 Helenah; I've tried conversing with people and it's being god pushing after god pushing from them
00:27 Helenah; like each sentence has to involve god
00:27 techuser; why do they take the people who attempt suicide to mental hospitals then though?
00:28 Helenah; and when you say you're athiest, politely say it
00:28 Helenah; it amounts to nothing on their side
00:28 DaemonFC; <techuser> why do they take the people who attempt suicide to mental hospitals then though?
00:28 DaemonFC; Medical debt.
00:28 Helenah; They don't like... stop the god pushing
00:28 DaemonFC; They know that they can put you $50,000 in medical debt and then if you don't kill yourself you'll owe them a lot of money.
00:28 Helenah; I'm fine with them having their beliefs, I'm not fine with their beliefs pushed into my face.
00:28 Helenah; like I should believe it too
00:29 Helenah; You see...
00:29 DaemonFC; techuser, Involuntary committal is another way to dial up suicidal pressure when the government is in a harassment campaign against someone like me.
00:29 Helenah; This is where American healthcare has gone wrong...
00:29 DaemonFC; That's why you never admit they're making you have thoughts of suicide to them.
00:29 Helenah; What if someones suicide attempt harms someone else?
00:30 Helenah; It's stupid that they don't just sort out the suicidal person...
00:30 Helenah; and want money before they do it...
00:30 DaemonFC; They dump you out a couple weeks later and you owe them money and you're still facing criminal charges, and you owe the court money, and you owe the lawyers money, and you owe the banks money, and your landlord threw you out and you owe the motel money.
00:31 DaemonFC; Been there. Done that. Bought the t-shirt.
00:32 DaemonFC; The whole thing about living here is a scam.
00:32 DaemonFC; If they can't get you to run on a treadmill like Mark and MARISOL, you're no good to them.
00:33 DaemonFC; So they figure out how to force money and labor out of you or get you to kill yourself so you won't be a problem for the state again.
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00:33 DaemonFC; It's a conspiracy to destroy the soul of man.
00:34 DaemonFC; Now the state's a drug dealer too.
00:35 DaemonFC; Next it'll be a pimp.
00:35 DaemonFC; I guarantee you, legal whore houses will be the next thing in Illinois.
00:35 DaemonFC; They want money, they know how to get it without complaint. So they'll employ some of their citizens to be prostitutes and tax some of their other citizens to fuck them.
00:35 Helenah; Suicide is against UK law
00:36 Helenah; but they prevent it at the same time.
00:36 Helenah; The idea is...
00:36 DaemonFC; <Helenah> Suicide is against UK law
00:36 Helenah; not to incriminate you
00:36 Helenah; but to erm...
00:36 DaemonFC; In less enlightened times, they would hang you for it.
00:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], ^
00:36 Helenah; encourage other people to help you not commit it.
00:36 Helenah; But yeah, it's er... weird law even so...
00:36 Helenah; So if you attempted suicide you wouldn't end up in jail or with a criminal record...
00:37 Helenah; And it's illegal to die in parliament.
00:38 Helenah; Seriously none of this is enforced.
00:38 Helenah; There's a lot of un-enforced UK law
00:38 Helenah; Because it can be decided which laws are silly and which aren't because it's difficult to change UK law.
00:38 DaemonFC; Yeah, they like making a lot of laws.
00:38 Helenah; Meaning it takes a long time to get rid of silly laws
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00:39 Helenah; so they can mark them un-enforcable
00:39 Helenah; For example...
00:39 Helenah; It's illegal to carry planks of wood on the pavement, DaemonFC
00:39 DaemonFC; Maybe when Illinois decides to have whorehouses they can guarantee no Monkey pox or your monkey back.
00:39 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: can't talk right now, drawing card for wife
00:39 Helenah; Which means if you went to ikea, bought a wardrobe, carried it across the pavement and into your home then you broke the law.
00:40 Helenah; But you won't be done for it because it is a non-enforced law.
00:40 Helenah; But is the law
00:40 Helenah; at the same time
00:40 DaemonFC; <Helenah> It's illegal to carry planks of wood on the pavement, DaemonFC
00:40 DaemonFC; There was a guy drawing penises on the potholes to shame the city into filling them.
00:40 Helenah; Personal drug possession laws are the same depending on drug classification.
00:41 Helenah; I can smoke a weed
00:41 DaemonFC; The cops here will pounce on drugs, 10 times worse if you're black.
00:41 Helenah; and not be done for it
00:41 Helenah; but I broke the law doing so
00:41 Helenah; Even the police know, DaemonFC
00:41 DaemonFC; Weed is legal but they still figure out ways to bust black people for it.
00:41 Helenah; Yep the police know I smoke weed
00:41 Helenah; They won't enforce that law.
00:41 Helenah; The argument is that... it takes resources which can be best spent on actual harmful crimes.
00:41 DaemonFC; That's not how it works here.
00:42 DaemonFC; If the police catch you with drugs, they can take everything.
00:42 DaemonFC; The money in your bank account, your cash, your car, your house.
00:42 Helenah; Yeah, if they can you with drugs they can take the drugs and do you for it
00:42 DaemonFC; So they love drugs.
00:42 Helenah; Like I said it depends
00:42 Helenah; if it's personal use, if it's low classification such as weed
00:42 Helenah; they won't do you for it
00:42 Helenah; If it's a class A drug personal supply then they will
00:42 Helenah; If you run a cannabis farm, they will shut it down
00:42 Helenah; They'd rather go after the gold mine than the drug user
00:43 Helenah; Because... it isn't worth going after the drug users when you can just shut down the farms...
00:43 Helenah; Yeah, they can't take everything from you for it.
00:44 Helenah; Infact... UK prisons can't take your liberties away
00:44 Helenah; Wait is liberties the right term?
00:44 Helenah; They got to look after you
00:44 Helenah; UK prisons are about... serving time for what you did, they're not about treating you like some turd.
00:45 Helenah; For example I'm Autistic
00:45 Helenah; and I read into this cause I'm scared of prison due to my Autism
00:45 Helenah; Apparently they can't simply just stick me in prison like they would with any NT person.
00:45 Helenah; Apparently they got to assign me a support worker who will slowly introduce me to the prison life and make adaptations based on my needs, DaemonFC
00:46 Helenah; They won't for example expect you to hang around with the inmates if you would socially struggle with that.
00:48 Helenah; techuser: ^
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; in the us prisons are business
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; businesses have one function
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; make more money
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; how?
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; more prisoners
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; or more expensive prisoners
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; dental, meals, long terms
00:51 Helenah; Yeah in the UK, they're state, "Her Majesty's Prison and Probation Service"
00:51 Helenah; That doesn't mean the monarch shapes it though.
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; for now
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; let's wait for Tories tof* that up, too
00:52 Helenah; Well I can only speak of now...
00:52 Helenah; Fuck speculation...
00:52 Helenah; Speculation outputs a fuckton of different potential results, most if not all will not be true most likely.
00:53 DaemonFC; <Helenah> Apparently they got to assign me a support worker who will slowly introduce me to the prison life and make adaptations based on my needs, DaemonFC
00:53 DaemonFC; Yeah, that's not how prison works here.
00:53 Helenah; They make you life in your piss, shit, vomit?
00:53 DaemonFC; They toss you into a cell, you eat whatever they decide to give you, you do whatever work they give you.
00:53 Helenah; The guards give you a slap around?
00:53 Helenah; Oh
00:53 DaemonFC; If people rape you in the shower, that's what happens in prison.
00:54 Helenah; Here they don't mix high risk offenders with low risk ones...
00:54 Helenah; So rapists don't get mixed with debt criminals for example
00:54 DaemonFC; Pretty much every state prison system is a shit show.
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00:54 DaemonFC; You're better off if you commit a federal crime and they throw you in prison.
00:54 Helenah; They have different ways for different profile criminals.
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00:54 Helenah; (wings
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00:54 Helenah; *wings
00:55 Helenah; They put the high profile inmates in the centre of the prisons so they're behind a lot more secure doors.
00:56 Helenah; And they don't allow high profile criminals to mix with high profile criminals
00:56 DaemonFC; You're less likely to be murdered or raped in federal prison.
00:56 Helenah; So they won't mix a rapist with a rapist, a murder with a murder, a rapist with a murder, etc
00:56 DaemonFC; They have better food.
00:56 Helenah; hmm
00:56 DaemonFC; That's why the feds normally don't bust you for something that's also a state crime.
00:57 DaemonFC; For example, peddling child pornography is a federal crime, but few people are in federal prison for that. Why?
00:57 Helenah; Did you know UK police carry guns as absolute last resort too?
00:57 Helenah; hmm
00:57 DaemonFC; Because they can throw them in state prison and make them really suffer and spend almost no money feeding them or keeping them safe from the other prisoners.
00:57 Helenah; hmm
00:58 DaemonFC; It's also more difficult to commit a federal crime, although not a lot more.
00:58 Helenah; Even in a riot the police would rather resort to shields and less harmful weapons.
00:58 DaemonFC; It has to affect the financial system or involve state lines, or someone's civil rights, or something like that, usually.
00:58 Helenah; hmm
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00:59 Helenah; I don't normally use ignore but that bot is going on ignore until I need it.
00:59 Helenah; It fills up my damn display!
00:59 Helenah; lol
00:59 Helenah; Done
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01:00 DaemonFC; The federal government likes to push it.
01:01 Helenah; US sounds backward...
01:01 Helenah; They really give ZERO shits about you whatsoever
01:01 DaemonFC; They use the commerce clause to declare that almost any sort of offense or regulation is in their jurisdiction because it may affect interstate commerce somehow.
01:01 DaemonFC; <Helenah> They really give ZERO shits about you whatsoever
01:02 DaemonFC; Pretty much.
01:02 Helenah; Wait... so it's all money driven
01:02 Helenah; the damn justice system
01:02 Helenah; 100% money driven...
01:02 Helenah; It's paid for in tax here...
01:02 DaemonFC; The federal government tried to pass a federal gun free school zone law saying that it affected interstate commerce.
01:03 Helenah; o.O
01:03 DaemonFC; The Supreme Court struck that down.
01:03 Helenah; How can kids learn around guns?!
01:03 Helenah; Geez... seriously...
01:03 DaemonFC; They use "taxation" and the commerce clause as the backbone of every law they pass.
01:03 Helenah; I never had to worry about guns in my life!
01:03 Helenah; And I prefer it that way...
01:03 DaemonFC; If you shoot a kid, it may affect commerce!
01:03 DaemonFC; :)
01:03 Helenah; Why should I have to live in fear?
01:04 DaemonFC; We're basically the Ferengi.
01:04 Helenah; Why should kids have to struggle to learn and develop due to the fear of being shot every second of every day?
01:04 Helenah; Cause that's how it will go
01:04 CrystalMath; hi Helenah :)
01:04 Helenah; Hi CrystalMath :D
01:05 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause#Civil_rights
01:05 TR Bot; Commerce Clause - Wikipedia
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01:05 TR Bot; Links 24/08/2022: CrossOver 22.0.0 and Linux Schools Server 14.0.0 | Techrights
01:05 DaemonFC; "Daniel v. Paul, 395 U.S. 298 (1969), ruled that the federal government could regulate a recreational facility because three of the four items sold at its snack bar were purchased from outside the state.[19]"
01:05 Helenah; I'm pretty sure crimes, rules and regulations don't affect commerce unless they involve it...
01:05 Helenah; commerce... it's...
01:05 Helenah; you know...
01:05 Helenah; retail, etc, etc, etc
01:05 Helenah; It should have NOTHING to do with the law/justice system!!!
01:05 Helenah; Damn
01:05 Helenah; They don't know what commerce is...
01:05 Helenah; o.O
01:06 DaemonFC; "Starting in 1995, the Rehnquist Court's revived federalism, as evident in its 54 decision in United States v. Lopez, enforced strict limits to congressional power under the Commerce Clause.[20] In Lopez, the Court struck down the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. It was the first time in almost 60 years that the Court had struck down a federal law for exceeding the limits of the Commerce Clause.[20] In the case, the Court was confronte
01:06 DaemonFC; d with the conviction of a high school student for carrying a concealed handgun into school in violation of the act.
01:06 DaemonFC; In striking down the federal law, the majority opinion explained:
01:06 DaemonFC; [The Gun-Free School Zones Act] is a criminal statute that by its terms has nothing to do with "commerce" or any sort of economic enterprise, however broadly one might define those terms. [The act] is not an essential part of a larger regulation of economic activity, in which the regulatory scheme could be undercut unless the intrastate activity were regulated. It cannot, therefore, be sustained under our cases upholding regulations of
01:06 DaemonFC; activities that arise out of or are connected with a commercial transaction, which viewed in the aggregate, substantially affects interstate commerce."
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; us holy matrimony between kids and bullets
01:07 DaemonFC; "Lopez was clarified by the Rehnquist Court in United States v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598 (2000). In Morrison, the Court invalidated 40302 of the Violence Against Women Act ("VAWA"), which created civil liability for the commission of a gender-based violent crime but without any jurisdictional requirement of a connection to interstate commerce or to commercial activity.[27]"
01:08 Helenah; "violence against women act", eh?
01:08 Helenah; I'm pretty sure violence affects both sexes...
01:08 heureka; and children
01:08 Helenah; Yep
01:08 DaemonFC; Well, despite the name, it deals generally in domestic violence.
01:08 Helenah; but "both sexes" covers children
01:09 techuser; Helenah: we have evil SJWs
01:09 Helenah; Men are victims of domestic violence too.
01:09 DaemonFC; It's possible for a woman to be in trouble with it over violence against a man.
01:09 techuser; they will deny violence against men, or racism against white, and so on
01:09 Helenah; So the act is named fucky then, DaemonFC
01:09 DaemonFC; Yeah, Joe Biden "did that".
01:09 DaemonFC; To imply that only men can be violent.
01:09 DaemonFC; So he could get votes.
01:10 DaemonFC; Men don't vote for Democrats.
01:10 Helenah; I mean Testosterone and everything, a man is most likely to go into a fight mode but erm...
01:10 DaemonFC; Only about 30-35% of men vote for Democrats.
01:10 Helenah; Women also have the fight or flight stress response
01:10 DaemonFC; So politicians like Biden look to women for votes, by pandering, by calling men pigs.
01:10 Helenah; Meaning they're capable of also behaving the same way
01:10 DaemonFC; Even though he is allegedly a man.
01:10 Helenah; hmm
01:10 DaemonFC; Joe had to pass the Violence Against Women Act, you know.
01:11 DaemonFC; To protect women from Hunter.
01:11 Helenah; hmm :/
01:11 DaemonFC; :)
01:11 Helenah; What's wrong with covering both and receiving votes from both cause both feel protected from each other?
01:11 Helenah; "Domestic Violence Act"
01:11 heureka; nowadays, it's best to stay away from women and relations with them, as far away as possible
01:11 DaemonFC; Hunter Biden took a cell phone video of himself trying to pay a hooker in crack.
01:11 DaemonFC; he even argued with her about how much crack the scale said was there.
01:12 DaemonFC; This is the most embarrassing family member a sitting president has ever had.
01:12 DaemonFC; That's after the laptop 'o child porn.
01:12 Helenah; I thought him sniffing a girls neck was bad optics...
01:12 DaemonFC; Remember when people thought it didn't get worse for a sitting president than to have a family member like Roger Clinton?
01:12 Helenah; So he had child porn on a device?
01:12 DaemonFC; They were so wrong.
01:12 Helenah; And so it wasn't bad optics?
01:13 Helenah; Anyone can take a picture of someone close to someone elses neck...
01:13 DaemonFC; Having child porn on a laptop is pretty bad optics.
01:13 Helenah; and make it look disgusting
01:13 Helenah; So yeah that's why I thought "Might be bad optics"
01:13 DaemonFC; That's why the media killed all of the Hunter Biden scandals leading to the election.
01:13 DaemonFC; Including the Chinese business dealings.
01:13 TR News; Mendy gets angry at his players after messing around with the ball for ages, basically conceding the goal all on his own. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YeQ1zwo2a98
01:13 Helenah; Well I was meaning like...
01:13 TR Bot; Leeds United 3-0 Chelsea | Premier League Highlights - Invidious
01:13 Helenah; illusions with camera work
01:13 Helenah; Journalists do it all the time to stir shit.
01:14 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#Investor_and_lobbyist
01:14 Helenah; So this wasn't an illusion, he probably did that?
01:14 TR Bot; Hunter Biden - Wikipedia
01:14 DaemonFC; "Several bank accounts linked to Hunter Biden have received $3.8 million in payments from CEFC China Energy, an oil and gas company with links to the Chinese Communist Party.[31] "
01:15 DaemonFC; Hunter is currently under federal investigation for various crimes.
01:15 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy
01:15 TR Bot; Hunter Biden laptop controversy - Wikipedia
01:15 Helenah; But what does this have to do with Joe Biden?
01:15 *Helenah reads article
01:17 Helenah; I said it
01:17 Helenah; read
01:17 Helenah; So Joe was protecting him
01:17 *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights
01:17 Helenah; Ah
01:17 Helenah; Damn, that's bad.
01:18 DaemonFC; He probably wishes that Hunter died and that he still had Beau Biden.
01:18 Helenah; Why is my kitten not breathing...
01:18 Helenah; brb
01:18 Helenah; DaFuQ...
01:18 Helenah; His belly ALWAYS goes up and down!!!
01:19 Helenah; Not now so I er...
01:19 Helenah; touched him...
01:19 Helenah; He's alive...
01:19 DaemonFC; https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/watch-hunter-biden-films-himself-weighing-his-crack/video/da774fbcf03650d074adb63d9a4ac173
01:19 TR Bot; WATCH: Hunter Biden films himself weighing his crack | Sky News Australia
01:19 DaemonFC; https://news.yahoo.com/hunter-biden-says-smoking-crack-224548964.html
01:19 TR Bot; Hunter Biden says he was 'smoking crack every 15 minutes', more jaw-dropping moments from memoir 'Beautiful Things'
01:19 Helenah; filmed it... how naive can one get?
01:19 DaemonFC; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Rj9V-XjCol8
01:19 TR Bot; WATCH: Hunter Biden films himself weighing his crack - Invidious
01:19 Helenah; Even a drug dealer knows not to film that...
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01:20 starstreak; its probably powdered sugar
01:20 DaemonFC; 2.07 of powdered sugar
01:20 DaemonFC; Damn, that's gangsta!
01:20 Helenah; Depending on the drug, it might not be right for it to control the mind of someone who is running a country.
01:20 schestowitz[TR]; biden laptop conyrtoversty = murdoch running interfereces for trump
01:21 schestowitz[TR]; before inciting people to commit treason with a coup
01:21 schestowitz[TR]; WSJ, Fox, NYP
01:21 schestowitz[TR]; =Murdoch
01:21 Helenah; Like I know I wouldn't wanna run a country while I got weed in my system
01:21 Helenah; cause I know what weed does to me and it's not good for stuff like that
01:22 Helenah; Infact it would turn me into a baffoon in power
01:23 Helenah; It mongs me the hell out
01:23 Helenah; My gf says that when I smoke it, I don't talk for days
01:23 TR News; An Arduino controls this strange two-wheel steering e-bike | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/24/an-arduino-controls-this-strange-two-wheel-steering-e-bike/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/24/an-arduino-controls-this-strange-two-wheel-steering-e-bike/
01:23 TR Bot; An Arduino controls this strange two-wheel steering e-bike | Arduino Blog
01:23 Helenah; And also don't take in what's said to me
01:24 TR News; New display technology features magnetic pixels | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/24/new-display-technology-features-magnetic-pixels/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/24/new-display-technology-features-magnetic-pixels/
01:24 TR Bot; New display technology features magnetic pixels | Arduino Blog
01:24 Helenah; One minute I love it, the next I'm shouting "I FUCKIN HATE WEED! HOW CAN I FUNCTION LIKE THIS?"
01:25 Helenah; techrights-news: Ignored
01:25 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: muted the bot?
01:25 TR News; [PATCH v2 00/10] Encrypted Hibernation - Evan Green https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220823222526.1524851-1-evgreen@chromium.org/ Source: Google | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220823222526.1524851-1-evgreen@chromium.org/
01:25 TR Bot; [PATCH v2 00/10] Encrypted Hibernation - Evan Green
01:25 starstreak; Helenah, i ignored some of the bots too
01:26 Helenah; starstreak: How am I supposed to communicate in this channel when the bots fill up my display with a single line of text?!
01:26 Helenah; I'm trying to read what people are saying and then the bot tosses up a wall...
01:26 starstreak; Helenah, exactly
01:26 Helenah; Noisy bots shouldn't be in a discussion channel, just saying.
01:27 TR News; "As of this moment, Mesa is now using the Mold linker in CI for faster build times. If you havent tried Mold yet, youre just pointlessly wasting your own time." https://www.supergoodcode.com/Continuous/
01:27 TR Bot; Continuous Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.
01:27 starstreak; "transparency"
01:28 starstreak; you can crash one of the bots by linking the golang source code
01:29 Helenah; I'm not one for using /ignore, my reason is very valid. Lets say there is a channel containing UserA, UserB, UserC, UserD and UserE.... Lets say I put UserB on ignore... lets say at some point UserA and UserB are talking to each other then it looks like UserA is talking to nobody therefore half of the conversation is missing so it gets difficult to understand UserA's
01:29 Helenah; conversation because UserB is ignored. I prefer a mental ignore but it's not easy with noisy bots and plus bots don't create this problem I mentioned that happens when you /ignore humans.
01:30 starstreak; you're absolutely correct
01:30 Helenah; Yep
01:30 starstreak; thats the same reason that i don't /ignore people but the bots aren't part of conversations
01:30 TR News; (NEW): Kubernetes v1.25: Combiner https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kubernetes_v1_25_Combiner.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kubernetes_v1_25_Combiner.gmi
01:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kubernetes v1.25: Combiner
01:31 Helenah; Plus I don't wanna permanently silence people or forget that I silenced them, I like people to have a chance, it's good to observe when they have calmed down and stopped being annoying if you know what I mean.
01:31 Helenah; Er.. silence was the wrong word...
01:31 Helenah; Though it is a "form" of silencing I suppose...
01:31 Helenah; They're silent to yourself
01:32 Helenah; Duck hunt bots are annoying too.
01:32 *darwin has quit (connection closed)
01:33 Helenah; I don't understand why a developer would write a game that fills up a channel with "QUACK"...
01:33 TR News; "Energy costs have gone absolutely off the rails in the UK. The geopolitics of it are known, of course, but that doesn't change the domestic impact." gemini://ur.gs/blog/off-grid-in-suburbia/
01:34 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D332.jpg
01:34 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D682.jpg
01:34 starstreak; i thought of ignoring Daemon but sometimes he says some good stuff
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; techrights-news is not a bot per se
01:34 Helenah; Duck hunt was never a thing in the past and in the past would've filled up the tiny display resolutions that were available back then.
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; and it keeps the channel on topic, more or less
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; techrights-ipfs-bot is really a bot
01:34 Helenah; These days people don't realise how much they have...
01:34 Helenah; resource wise
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; as for TechrightsBot-tr, it's a utility bot that helps you know what's linked to
01:35 Helenah; They got 4K resolution and higher, they got fucktons of RAM on a single machine, etc, etc
01:35 Helenah; And I feel it is turning developers into careless "take resources for granted" sloppy coders too.
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; that it has a bug in its handling of very large files isn't new... it assumes certain file size limits... since over a decade ago
01:35 techuser; and evil software that eats all the resources
01:35 Helenah; Coding software that's heavier than it needs to be.
01:36 Helenah; techuser: Yeah, my line er... covered that.
01:36 Helenah; I hate it
01:36 starstreak; Helenah, people in the 90s would be saying the same thing
01:36 Helenah; Why does webkit needs to eat all the RAM when in the past on even less RAM it didn't?
01:36 starstreak; "what, 16GB of ram, who needs that much?"
01:36 starstreak; i remember when 128mb of ram was a lot
01:37 Helenah; starstreak: You want to know much resources each of my IRC servers has?
01:37 Helenah; I have an IRC network of 3 servers
01:37 starstreak; now im using 4GB just running gnome, discord, element, vlc, keybase, etc
01:37 Helenah; Each one has only 128MB RAM but is using way less
01:37 Helenah; Around 64MB of it is used
01:37 Helenah; single core
01:37 Helenah; See?
01:37 starstreak; alpine linux?
01:37 Helenah; Told you, people are sloppy and take resources for granted.
01:38 Helenah; and I can see them doing that when I can still run 128MB RAM single core systems...
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; not just computer resources
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; some people fly every month
01:38 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Devuan, sysvinit
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; or flew
01:38 Helenah; er... starstreak
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; before it became even more of a hassle
01:38 starstreak; ahhh
01:38 Helenah; systemd isn't an init system, it contains one.
01:38 Helenah; It has MANY functions...
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; you give people a lot more space
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; and they find a way to occupy it all
01:38 Helenah; it tries to be "a system" in one single program suite
01:39 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Yep
01:39 Helenah; And it's greed
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; it takes simple programs that work and makes them complicated
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; and not modular except among themselves
01:39 Helenah; Many friends who have been like "I got 32GB RAM" for example...
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; systemd is modular in the ccontext of systemd
01:39 Helenah; I say "And I bet you never used it up"
01:39 starstreak; why does element and discord need to have their own instances of electron
01:39 Helenah; They say "No, I've yet to do it"
01:40 Helenah; so then my mind is like "So why spend all that cash on resources you don't need then?"
01:40 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Energy prices are falling again here.
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; they then le;ave like 100 tabs open
01:40 Helenah; The resources will die of old age before it's well used...
01:40 DaemonFC; I just filled up for $3.95 a gallon. Why am I happy about this?
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; and cannot even find which one is which
01:40 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: My web browser is closed to save on resources.
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; same here, partly
01:40 Helenah; The only thing I got open is my WM and a terminal emulator.
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; I used to use 4 browsers, now 3
01:41 schestowitz[TR]; usually only falkon runs
01:41 Helenah; "4 browsers", what?
01:41 DaemonFC; I have NoScript to deal with most of the JavaShit garbage.
01:41 schestowitz[TR]; konqueror, librewold, ff, and falkon
01:41 Helenah; o.O
01:41 DaemonFC; The stuff mjg59_ was praising for "security".
01:41 Helenah; Damn...
01:41 Helenah; So you use KDE?
01:41 Helenah; Each to their own but no thanks
01:41 schestowitz[TR]; nobody is perfect
01:41 DaemonFC; Just because people have chosen to expose a JavaShit engine to the Web doesn't mean it's safe to do that.
01:41 starstreak; I use gnome and brave
01:42 DaemonFC; It just means that's what people are doing.
01:42 Helenah; How I see it is I don't need to use a fuckton of resources to for example type a document, but if KDE is running and a word processor at the same time then more resources than needed is used to write that document.
01:42 Helenah; Speaking of word processors though
01:42 Helenah; I don't use them, I use TeX in vim
01:42 DaemonFC; It's like when I was contemplating suicide so I got drunk and had sex with someone I didn't know the 3rd day at the hotel.
01:42 Helenah; That's how I even wrote my CV
01:42 DaemonFC; It wasn't safe, I just didn't care.
01:43 heureka; TeX is a problem too nowadays
01:43 Helenah; heureka: It is?
01:43 starstreak; I wrote my resume in markdown before but now I'm just lazy and use libreoffice
01:43 DaemonFC; A lot of life is where your mind is at, at that moment.
01:43 heureka; Helenah: don't recall all details, first and foremost i couldn't find a suitable TeX distribution anymore which did pass all testing here
01:43 CrystalMath; starstreak: TeX or gtfo
01:43 CrystalMath; (just kidding)
01:43 starstreak; fuck TeX
01:43 starstreak; lol
01:43 Helenah; heureka: Interesting, no problem with it here.
01:44 CrystalMath; it's very elitist
01:44 DaemonFC; I never really understood as a child how horrible the tragedy of my Aunt was. She never cleaned the house. It was all under 6 laywer of trash. If they got their hand dirty while they were eating, they wiped it on the carpet.
01:44 Helenah; I am NOT a level 0 peasant, CrystalMath !
01:44 Helenah; But then you know that...
01:44 DaemonFC; They would dump their tampons in a corner in the bathroom.
01:44 CrystalMath; i kinda like TeX, but i sometimes joke about how elitist it is
01:44 Helenah; lol
01:44 starstreak; vim is pretty elitist
01:44 DaemonFC; The fixtures were broken and she put a wrench on the faucet to replace the handle.
01:45 CrystalMath; starstreak: vim is just very convenient
01:45 Helenah; Idk I just use what I'm used to...
01:45 Helenah; What I like
01:45 heureka; TeX and it's dependencies are cluttered all over the place too nowadays
01:45 DaemonFC; The shower curtain fell off and nobody ever put it on so they just showered with no curtain until the wall had a hole in it big enough to see through into the kitchen.
01:45 starstreak; CrystalMath, i just use nano
01:45 CrystalMath; vim users don't look down upon others
01:45 Helenah; It's not about putting myself above others and claiming my ways are superior.
01:45 TR News; When servers were still being REBRANDED as "clown" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xie6CrhI8Aw
01:45 TR Bot; Ian Murdock - Sun's new VP of Cloud Strategy - Invidious
01:45 heureka; and the TeX distribtions blew up in size excessively
01:45 CrystalMath; starstreak: i use emacs with evil-mode
01:45 DaemonFC; The kitchen caught fire and the insurance company wrote her a check. They spent the check going to Disney world and left the fire damage.
01:45 CrystalMath; emulating vim
01:45 CrystalMath; :P
01:45 starstreak; lol
01:45 Helenah; heureka: Why are you installing the full distribution?
01:45 Helenah; Install what you need.
01:45 DaemonFC; I mean, after Keith left and got that "sex change", she was never the same again.
01:45 heureka; that's why i am curious about neatroff for example
01:46 DaemonFC; What kind of a person does that to his two daughters?
01:46 Helenah; If you need a banana, you don't claim the monkey and the jungle with it, do you?
01:46 heureka; Helenah: i didn't install any TeX distribution anymore at all
01:46 Helenah; Whos is keith, DaemonFC ?
01:46 starstreak; oooof, DaemonFC is being transphobic again
01:46 DaemonFC; She just fell into a deep depression and never came out of it, for over twenty years, and then she died in a horrific car accident.
01:46 Helenah; I wouldn't know if that's transphobia myself...
01:47 Helenah; I never really spoke to DaemonFC until now...
01:47 heureka; don't recall all details, as i explained, i hammered an acceptance criteria into stone, which is gcc47 c-only toolchain, and no c++
01:47 heureka; and none of the TeX distributions passed this anymore
01:47 Helenah; So what caused the depression, DaemonFC ?
01:47 DaemonFC; Keith ditching his entire family, telling the girls to call him mom, and having a sex change operation.
01:47 heureka; then, tried TeTeX from year 2006, and had trouble with the configure.ac autotools magic which failed for no obvious reason
01:47 DaemonFC; That's when she fell into the funk and started ruining her house.
01:47 heureka; the previous TeTeX maintainer gave up year 2006 iirc
01:48 Helenah; heureka: You mean LaTeX or is that not a mistake?
01:48 starstreak; Helenah, hes dead naming the trans woman
01:48 heureka; no, i didn't mean LaTeX
01:48 Helenah; starstreak: Yeah but what I mean is...
01:48 DaemonFC; Everyone calls Keith Keith.
01:48 DaemonFC; Including his daughters.
01:49 Helenah; I'm not sure if it was a lack of education/understanding or transphobia...
01:49 heureka; as said, none of the TeX distributions passed acceptance criteria anymore
01:49 starstreak; Keith never changed her name?
01:49 techuser; Helenah: btw may want to bring Luis64_gamer here (actually, bring back, since he used to be here earlier), as he did mention some planned obsolescence things in PM for me
01:49 DaemonFC; Not legally, no.
01:49 techuser; I did tell him, idk if he appears
01:49 DaemonFC; At the time, no psychiatrist would allow him to get the sex change.
01:49 Helenah; techuser: Ah
01:49 DaemonFC; They all said he was not a candidate, including the centers in the US that performed those.
01:49 DaemonFC; So he went and did it in Canada.
01:50 Helenah; Why is not having their name changed legally a reason to dead name them?
01:50 DaemonFC; He was dating another woman after he left my Aunt and before he did all of this.
01:50 Helenah; you aunt?
01:50 DaemonFC; And my Aunt came over to his apartment for something and they ended up having sex.
01:50 Helenah; You know each other irl?
01:50 DaemonFC; And this girlfriend of his walked in.
01:50 DaemonFC; And that's when something inside his brain just snapped and he decided to become a woman.
01:51 DaemonFC; I don't believe he's trans and none of the psychiatrists do either.
01:51 Helenah; starstreak: DaemonFC "may" be telling the truth... I do not know...
01:51 starstreak; I got approved by psychiatrists but it sounds like gatekeeping
01:51 DaemonFC; This was never typical behavior for him well into his 30s, and then all of a sudden....
01:51 Helenah; I do not really know DaemonFC and I do not know this "apparent" trans person either.
01:51 Helenah; And to be honest it's er...
01:52 Helenah; Probably best for me not to know maybe
01:52 DaemonFC; He always had weird personality quirks. Especially dietary habits.
01:52 starstreak; Helenah, hes said "men who wear dresses" before
01:52 Helenah; seems as I'm getting conflicting stories from two people.
01:52 DaemonFC; He would not eat rice because it "reminded him of maggots".
01:52 DaemonFC; No salad dressing on any salads.
01:52 Helenah; starstreak: Oh
01:52 DaemonFC; Every pizza had to be pepperoni and nothing else.
01:52 Helenah; What in this discussion?
01:52 Helenah; I didn't see that.
01:52 starstreak; Helenah, a few weeks ago, maybe a few months
01:52 DaemonFC; When the divorce happened, my aunt said "We are never having another pepperoni pizza in this house again.".
01:53 DaemonFC; You could order anything else you wanted, but never a pepperoni (only), because that's all he allowed.
01:53 Helenah; Er...
01:53 DaemonFC; You can make the joke, "No sausage.".
01:53 Helenah; Okies I don't know what to make of this... er okies er... lol
01:54 Helenah; I'm gonna like... er... lol keep out of this I think... o.o
01:54 DaemonFC; I'm just glad that nothing in my life has ever struck me down with depression like what that did to my Aunt.
01:54 DaemonFC; I guess I took the long way around.
01:54 DaemonFC; Keith really did hurt himself in a lot of ways.
01:55 DaemonFC; He lied on his taxes for years and now can't draw Social Security.
01:55 *Helenah sighs
01:55 TR News; Back when "Linux" was a community, not frauds like "Linux" [sic] Foundation https://marc.merlins.org/linux/lwce_summer2000/Day3/Showfloor.html
01:55 TR Bot; LinuxWorld Convention & Expo Summer 2000: Day 3: Showfloor
01:55 Helenah; You're gonna keep talking about it anyway so erm...
01:55 DaemonFC; He hurt himself in his shop and tried to file for Disability and they said he had no earnings record.
01:55 Helenah; The important part to me now is...
01:55 Helenah; Before they... er...
01:55 Helenah; claimed they're a woman
01:55 Helenah; So please, forget the woman bit for now...
01:55 DaemonFC; So he asked them to give him money based on my Aunt's record, and they told him "You weren't married for 10 years. You were short by two months.".
01:55 Helenah; Before then...
01:55 Helenah; Any mental health conditions?
01:56 Helenah; Any weird behaviours, things like that?
01:56 DaemonFC; <Helenah> Any mental health conditions?
01:56 Helenah; Cause like... You clearly want me to know the full story...
01:56 Helenah; DaemonFC: Yes...
01:56 *starstreak ducks out because this might become triggering
01:56 Helenah; o.o
01:56 Helenah; Like schizophrenia, autism, adhd, ocd, etc
01:56 starstreak; back to star trek generations
01:56 Helenah; Anything
01:56 DaemonFC; My mom came back to the apartment that Keith and my Aunt had in Kokomo years before they had kids.
01:57 DaemonFC; They were going out to eat, and my Aunt asked mom to go get something from the apartment.
01:57 DaemonFC; Mom said she walked in and found Keith wearing one of my Aunt's dresses.
01:57 DaemonFC; He made her swear she'd never say anything about it.
01:57 Helenah; That's apparently common with trans people to at first wear whatever article of clothing they can get their hands on even if it's out of a family members wardrobe and often done privately too...
01:58 DaemonFC; How horrible, though.
01:58 DaemonFC; To have kids and then put them through that.
01:58 Helenah; I don't think it's as simple as you make it out to be though...
01:58 DaemonFC; If he already figured he wanted to "be a woman".
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01:58 DaemonFC; Why was he putting my aunt through that?
01:58 DaemonFC; Why would he have kids and then bail and leave her to raise them as a single mom when they were 2?
01:59 DaemonFC; What an asshole.
01:59 Helenah; There is the shame part of it too that well regardless of being trans or not, if you are made to feel ashamed of something then you bury it deep inside...
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01:59 DaemonFC; And I'm the villain for "deadnaming". LOL
01:59 Helenah; And it can take like...
01:59 Helenah; DECADES for one to finally out what's inside of them...
01:59 Helenah; and by that point a lot has already gone on in their lives...
01:59 starstreak; DaemonFC, you're a villain because you're putting all this selfish blame on him when he was trying to come out
01:59 Helenah; that messes in life happen...
01:59 starstreak; s/he/she
01:59 DaemonFC; He should have done it before he had kids.
01:59 DaemonFC; Or before he decided to get married!
02:00 starstreak; its not always known before
02:00 DaemonFC; She could have married someone decent and had a nice life.
02:00 starstreak; i was 34 when i figured it out
02:00 Helenah; DaemonFC: Did you listen to what I said though?
02:00 starstreak; i was married too
02:00 Helenah; About the shame?
02:00 DaemonFC; What about what he put them through?
02:00 starstreak; being her authentic self?
02:00 DaemonFC; I was furious when he came to my Aunt's funeral.
02:00 Helenah; This is going to be hard for the kids, yes
02:00 Helenah; but...
02:00 Helenah; the "shame" thing I said
02:01 DaemonFC; If he wasn't a sick old man on oxygen I could have knocked him into next week for having the nerve to show up and sit next to the casket.
02:01 Helenah; They may have thought they would've never been able to come out...
02:01 DaemonFC; Introducing himself as her ex.
02:01 starstreak; ok im leaving for real because im trans and this conversation is very triggering for me
02:01 Helenah; and therefore just... got on with life... you know?
02:01 Helenah; starstreak: Wait... I'm sorry! :'(
02:01 starstreak; Helenah, its not you
02:01 Helenah; starstreak: Please forgive me...
02:01 Helenah; Phew...
02:02 starstreak; actually im just gonna temp ignore him
02:02 starstreak; DaemonFC!*@* added to ignore list.
02:02 DaemonFC; I'm not anti-trans, I just don't like Keith in particular.
02:02 schestowitz[TR]; join the club
02:02 DaemonFC; That's triggered Garrett too.
02:02 starstreak; lol
02:02 schestowitz[TR]; the "ignore DaemonFC " club
02:02 Helenah; er..
02:03 DaemonFC; We've gotten to the point in our society where if you don't like an individual who has a characteristic, it makes you a bigot.
02:03 DaemonFC; Even if you have legitimate reasons to dislike them.
02:03 starstreak; im surprised he hasnt been banned for his conduct already
02:03 starstreak; hes constantly saying racist things too
02:03 DaemonFC; So everyone figures that out and hides behind it.
02:03 starstreak; "i cant be racist, i have a non white partner"
02:04 DaemonFC; I'm in an interracial gay marriage and there's a lot of other things that a lot of people wouldn't like about me.
02:04 DaemonFC; I'm sure if they try really hard, they can hate me for some legitimate reason though.
02:04 starstreak; he literally derailed a tech convo about resources with his transphobic nonsense
02:04 DaemonFC; I believe in them!
02:05 Helenah; DaemonFC: It isn't not liking an individual that makes you a bigot, it's expressing your dislike towards the individual which then touches that individuals emotions.
02:05 Helenah; You can dislike who you want.
02:06 Helenah; Doesn't mean you have you outwardly speak it though.
02:06 DaemonFC; I thought he put my Aunt through every worldly indignity possible but then he crashed her funeral too.
02:06 Helenah; There is such a thing as common sense.
02:07 DaemonFC; She was a good person. The world destroys good people.
02:07 DaemonFC; It's almost like a bloodsport.
02:08 DaemonFC; The depression was one aspect. And like I said, I never really understood it. It's like living in Hell forever, by choice.
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02:09 DaemonFC; Aside from the police trying to drive me to kill myself, I wouldn't have lost one minute of sleep over John.
02:09 DaemonFC; But even with them, I've never descended into absolute madness that's gone on for more than a few weeks.
02:10 TR News; "Staring at the tiny screen of a smartphone for long hours can cause eye fatigue at best and irreversible eye damage at worst." Missing suggestion: quit using these lousy 'computers', use something more adequate. https://www.maketecheasier.com/protect-eyes-when-using-smartphone/
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02:10 DaemonFC; <Helenah> Like schizophrenia, autism, adhd, ocd, etc
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; "i'm as mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!!!'
02:10 DaemonFC; They use all of those diagnoses because they don't know what they're doing.
02:10 DaemonFC; The psychiatrists don't. They're bullshit artists. Good ones, too.
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; Great depressio part II
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; coming to you soon, 100 years later
02:11 DaemonFC; I've been diagnosed with about half the things in their book.
02:11 Helenah; People who support free speech think they NEED to say something when in actuality they WANT to say something and then will try justifying what they said as something they needed to say...
02:11 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], They don't know. They're guessing at names they invented for things they invented.
02:12 DaemonFC; Everyone wants to be fucking crazy all of a sudden.
02:12 DaemonFC; It's fashionable.
02:12 DaemonFC; "I'm neurodivergent!" *chuckles*
02:12 Helenah; So you think my Autism is a fashion?
02:12 *DaemonFC takes pictures of all the pills, posts them to Reddit
02:12 DaemonFC; <Helenah> So you think my Autism is a fashion?
02:12 DaemonFC; No, I mean, like....
02:13 DaemonFC; When they've been committed a couple of times.
02:13 DaemonFC; They can come back and tell me how much they enjoy being "neurodivergent". (crazy)
02:13 DaemonFC; Because when you're talking to someone who has been a repeat victim of psychiatrists, you must be this tall to ride.
02:13 Helenah; neurodivergence != crazy
02:14 Helenah; It = neurologically wired non-typically
02:14 DaemonFC; I have fucking had it.....with psychiatrists telling me what I will never do.
02:14 Helenah; I'm not NT either but I'm not crazy.
02:14 DaemonFC; You know, they even said they'd be surprised if I could ever count change.
02:14 DaemonFC; Most people in their 20s can't do that. You give me some change, I'll cash you out in 2 seconds flat.
02:15 Helenah; DaemonFC: Yeah my psychiatrist said the same thing but I was diagnosed at age 14
02:15 DaemonFC; It's like basic shit, you know. People are losing the ability to tie their fucking shoes.
02:15 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: I told you that "bot" was more on-topic than most
02:15 DaemonFC; And I'm going to be insulted by this guy?
02:15 Helenah; A pediatric psychiatrist can't always know how someone will be as an adult.
02:15 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Lol yeah :D
02:15 DaemonFC; <Helenah> DaemonFC: Yeah my psychiatrist said the same thing but I was diagnosed at age 14
02:15 schestowitz[TR]; after 14+ years we're stiull here in IRC
02:16 DaemonFC; The school made my parents take me to child psychiatrists when I was 6.
02:16 schestowitz[TR]; with a nazi from germany, a gay transphob from IL, and people who would not get along
02:16 schestowitz[TR]; but we all share an interest in tech
02:16 DaemonFC; Dr. Vance Maloney
02:16 Helenah; If you think agr 14 is late for diagnosis then look into Autistic women, they usually get diagnosed at age 14+ while men at age 7-
02:16 Helenah; *age
02:17 Helenah; They're expected to be socially sophisticated.
02:17 DaemonFC; I remember his name because on the way to see him I was like "Vance Maloney, full 'a boloney! Vance Maloney, full 'a boloney!".
02:17 DaemonFC; Which isn't bad for a 6 year old, right?
02:17 Helenah; Are you a person who sees all doctors as bad?
02:17 DaemonFC; https://www.taylor.edu/employees/faculty/vance-maloney
02:17 TR Bot; Vance Maloney | Taylor University
02:18 DaemonFC; There he is.
02:18 Helenah; hmm
02:19 DaemonFC; <Helenah> Are you a person who sees all doctors as bad?
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02:20 DaemonFC; No, just the hacks.
02:20 Helenah; This one is mine, DaemonFC https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E03AQHBTiYJIdcfHg/profile-displayphoto-shrink_200_200/0/1516331250843?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=y7D_QuoFVH2JWKrerg4SlVOR9DUoeXcj4z-oqCNztd0
02:20 Helenah; Was mine even
02:21 *scientes (~d839d5c2@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
02:21 scientes; XRevan86 have you ever coded ARM thumb code?
02:24 Helenah; DaemonFC: So how do I know you can actually manage money? What if your psychiatrist was actually right and that you "think" you can handle money when in reality you're not handling it very well?
02:24 scientes; I assume the link register is just a normal register, so I could use it to do coroutines
02:24 Helenah; If you "think" you can handle it properly then you will tell people you can manage money.
02:25 DaemonFC; The only reason I went bankrupt was because of the disaster that my ex caused.
02:25 scientes; there are a bunch of namedregisters, but on the pc is truly special
02:25 DaemonFC; A horrible disaster that nobody else would have made it out of.
02:25 Helenah; DaemonFC: This trans woman who I seem to only know as "Keith"?
02:26 DaemonFC; Oh I can't remember what he calls himself now.
02:26 DaemonFC; Something that begins with J.
02:26 Helenah; Okies
02:26 DaemonFC; Jennifer or Jessica, it's one of those I think.
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02:26 Helenah; So why do you think that you ex is the reason why you fucked up your money?
02:26 Helenah; *your
02:27 Helenah; Why can't you manage your own money without allowing others to interfere?
02:27 DaemonFC; Well, at that point I had to hire a psychiatrist, move out, live in motels for over 2 years.
02:27 DaemonFC; Figure out how to pay immigration lawyers and fees.
02:27 Helenah; Oh yeah I remember you saying now.
02:28 DaemonFC; It was just so many things at once, and mine was the only income.
02:28 DaemonFC; Immigration would have never heard our case.
02:28 Helenah; But again... this story just doesn't idk... lol It's like.. I'm hearing a one-sided argument and no input from the other side becase well they're gone and then hearing bits and pieces from other people who are IRC users and have nothing to do with that persons real life.
02:28 DaemonFC; They would have said we had barely any money and denied even hearing it.
02:28 DaemonFC; I lied to MARISOL and implied that I was just shy of being able to support our household.
02:29 DaemonFC; When I was actually a lot shy.
02:29 DaemonFC; She figured that she could extort him once he began working.
02:29 schestowitz[TR]; what household?
02:29 schestowitz[TR]; she could be in the streets soon
02:29 schestowitz[TR]; with debt
02:29 DaemonFC; So she kept her mouth shut for a while and by the time she tried to get his money from his job, once they granted him permission, I told her "No.".
02:29 schestowitz[TR]; hosueholds are relative
02:30 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I had to bootstrap our case with her promising to support him.
02:30 schestowitz[TR]; our households is cheap to sustain
02:30 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: She might be on the streets now hence why she didn't come back here.
02:30 schestowitz[TR]; like under $1000
02:30 DaemonFC; By the time she hired an attorney to undo that, it didn't matter anymore because he was working, and our combined income was high enough.
02:30 DaemonFC; She thinks she's smarter than everyone else.
02:30 DaemonFC; She was really going crazy when I told her to fuck off.
02:31 Helenah; So why tell her to fuck off then if she's going crazy? How does that help a person recover from craziness?
02:31 Helenah; Surely a person going crazy needs psychiatrist help, no?
02:31 DaemonFC; I don't care about her mental health.
02:31 Helenah; How do I know you're not the selfish one in all this?
02:31 Helenah; See?
02:31 Helenah; You are the selfish one!
02:31 Helenah; :D
02:32 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> She was really going crazy when I told her to fuck off.
02:32 schestowitz[TR]; she cannot GO crazy
02:32 schestowitz[TR]; she IS crazy
02:32 Helenah; You call her crazy so you're admitting they're off their head and you don't care about their mental health?
02:32 DaemonFC; When she was harassing us by telephone, I changed our phone numbers.
02:32 Helenah; How can you be with someone and just let them suffer like that?
02:32 Helenah; You act the victim in all this...
02:32 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I meant, she was lashing out irrationally over the phone.
02:32 DaemonFC; In all sorts of weird ways.
02:32 Helenah; How do I know she isn't partly victim too?
02:32 DaemonFC; She was harassing us over those fake texting things online.
02:32 DaemonFC; After I blocked her number.
02:33 DaemonFC; So I changed our numbers.
02:33 Helenah; And why does not liking someone individually justifying being transphobic to them?
02:33 Helenah; You said you didn't mind trans people just hated her...
02:33 Helenah; So if you aren't transphobic... then why be that to particular individuals?
02:33 Helenah; You could've said any insult but why that?
02:33 DaemonFC; Keith? Because of the way he treated my Aunt and my cousins? Absolutely unforgivable.
02:33 DaemonFC; They don't even like him.
02:34 Helenah; But you said they have poor mental health...
02:34 Helenah; People can behave insane when they have mental health issues...
02:34 DaemonFC; I said he really messed his kids up.
02:34 DaemonFC; Traumatized them.
02:34 Helenah; And such people need help from the hospital
02:34 DaemonFC; To say nothing of the depression, the other kids making fun of them.
02:34 DaemonFC; Parents should suffer for their kids.
02:34 Helenah; I think you just make things all about you and your family.
02:34 DaemonFC; Not the other way around.
02:34 DaemonFC; If you can't, then don't have them.
02:34 Helenah; And refuse to look into why someone else is behaving the way they are...
02:35 Helenah; You call them crazy, you don't state the cause...
02:35 schestowitz[TR]; <Helenah> You call her crazy so you're admitting they're off their head and you don't care about their mental health?
02:35 schestowitz[TR]; there's more to it
02:35 schestowitz[TR]; I have heard about it for over a year
02:35 Helenah; hmm
02:35 schestowitz[TR]; she was abusing them really badly
02:35 Helenah; Ah
02:35 schestowitz[TR]; and apparently defrauding, scheming to kill her own borther
02:35 schestowitz[TR]; for money
02:35 DaemonFC; Yes!
02:36 DaemonFC; The fake insurance policy she forged his name on.
02:36 schestowitz[TR]; that's not crazy I can have sympathy for
02:36 DaemonFC; For a million dollars.
02:36 DaemonFC; She even lied on his medical history.
02:36 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Did you know that... in a UK court... you can be let off with crime on the grounds of "insanity"? You want to know why that is? Because it's a valid reason why people might do terrible, terrible things...
02:36 Helenah; So why was this not brought up with any professional person?
02:36 Helenah; And dealt with 100% by DaemonFC's family?
02:36 DaemonFC; The police ignored me and wouldn'y take my report.
02:36 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: it still endangers the public
02:37 DaemonFC; I essentially have no family that will help me.
02:37 schestowitz[TR]; that's why ther public might be better off with some of them locked up
02:37 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Yeah and in the UK you can be sectioned too if a danger to the public.
02:37 schestowitz[TR]; people who can commit mass murder
02:37 DaemonFC; Helenah, They're either dead or have disowned me, or broke and can't help.
02:37 DaemonFC; So I'm on my own.
02:37 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: People can claim murder on the grounds of insanity too
02:38 Helenah; and it would be seen as a public health risk.
02:38 Helenah; but the insanity would be taken into consideration at the same time.
02:38 DaemonFC; Yeah, it's better to claim some sort of diminished capacity.
02:38 Helenah; I'm not talking about using it as an excuse...
02:38 DaemonFC; They drove you to the point where you may have been somewhat responsible, but it wasn't cold blooded.
02:38 Helenah; people who work in the justice system can tell if someone is lying...
02:38 DaemonFC; Even Hans Reiser managed that.
02:39 DaemonFC; <Helenah> people who work in the justice system can tell if someone is lying...
02:39 DaemonFC; That's not true.
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02:39 DaemonFC; If you have to lie, lie like you have nothing invested in it.
02:40 DaemonFC; People who get emotional about lying have tells.
02:40 DaemonFC; The tells are how other people end up being onto them.
02:40 Helenah; Except...
02:40 Helenah; When I've read about such tells in the past...
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02:40 Helenah; They also manifest in my social awkwardness
02:41 Helenah; So no... you can't see that to claim someone is lying.
02:41 Helenah; When they could simply be socially awkward.
02:41 DaemonFC; Most ways people get caught doing something are by being careless.
02:41 DaemonFC; Leaving a lot of evidence.
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02:42 Helenah; I wonder if they'd have to record me?
02:42 Helenah; I know they do with my gf...
02:42 Helenah; She's got Schizophrenia
02:42 Helenah; the police for example are only allowed to interview her behind a camera but not be in the room with her.
02:42 DaemonFC; Like, someone gets killed and the police don't have any physical evidence. They know you didn't like the person.
02:42 DaemonFC; What do they do?
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02:42 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, August 23, 2022
02:42 Helenah; They did nothing...
02:42 DaemonFC; They go arrest you and question you and lead you into admitting it.
02:42 Helenah; Their laptop was confiscated...
02:43 Helenah; Came back clean
02:43 Helenah; But...
02:43 Helenah; they interviewed her too
02:43 Helenah; and they said that cause of her Schizophrenia diagnosis, they're not allowed to be in the room with her and so it has to be done via camera and mic.
02:43 DaemonFC; Most criminals get caught by lack of planning and being stupid and leaving all kinds of evidence.
02:44 DaemonFC; Also, not knowing what the laws are sets you back terribly.
02:44 DaemonFC; If you look at the law, really read what it says, you may find ways to work around it.
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02:44 Helenah; DaemonFC: Here you go https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/wp-content/uploads/the-welfare-of-vulnerable-people-in-police-custody.pdf
02:45 Helenah; The camera and mic is one of the welfare's
02:45 DaemonFC; The cops here like "vulnerable" people.
02:45 DaemonFC; Mentally retarded people. Crazy people.
02:45 DaemonFC; They can pin all sorts of things on them.
02:45 DaemonFC; Even get them to admit it all.
02:45 DaemonFC; :)
02:46 Helenah; You see lets say someone is socially awkward, they need space when you speak with them, you shouldn't be in the same room as them, looking at them, being close to them at a table, etc.
02:46 DaemonFC; Their favorite is arresting people who don't even speak English and getting a full written confession in English, with perfect grammar and punctuation.
02:46 DaemonFC; Waukegan Police Special
02:46 Helenah; It can make the awkwardness worse
02:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], ^
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: i don't trust cops here
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; and they are not even as ruthless as the met
02:46 Helenah; Yeh, they sound full on corrupt
02:47 Helenah; Here I wouldn't say they're corrupt as such but what I would say is they're underfunded and that can affect their er... work quality.
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02:47 schestowitz[TR]; which part of england?
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; i have a cop friend
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; who confesses to mdoing illegal things
02:48 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Manchester met police, lancashire constabulary.
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; like hitting people at the neck
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; to neutralise them
02:48 Helenah; Those are the only two I know
02:48 Helenah; They two have their own funding pots
02:48 Helenah; I wrote a program
02:48 Helenah; that will list the police forces in the country
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; i am in manc also
02:49 schestowitz[TR]; https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/04/14/police-protection/
02:49 TR Bot; Blog Archive Why I Believe British Police Serves and Protects Only Itself (and Maybe the Rich/Powerful)
02:49 Helenah; Yeah, the tories keep cutting the met police.
02:49 Helenah; Which er...
02:49 Helenah; makes the quality of the force not good
02:49 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, no encounters with police since ther above
02:49 schestowitz[TR]; so nothing to update with
02:49 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: They know I smoke weed.
02:49 schestowitz[TR]; if cops come knocking for info...
02:49 schestowitz[TR]; ...no thanks, didn't heard nuthin'
02:50 Helenah; They said I am allowed to smoke weed and that it's fine, schestowitz[TR]
02:50 Helenah; I er...
02:50 Helenah; Told them some things when I was raped
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02:50 starstreak; weed is legal in canada
02:50 Helenah; I was honest that I smoke weed anyway despite them forcing me to smoke it.
02:50 schestowitz[TR]; hi souseksi
02:50 Helenah; And they said smoking weed is fine
02:50 Helenah; Told you they don't enforce that law
02:50 Helenah; I confirmed it
02:50 souseksi; Hello
02:51 starstreak; i can't smoke weed anymore though, it makes me paranoid
02:51 Helenah; starstreak: It's illegal here
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; i think pot is class a now
02:51 Helenah; but illegal =! enforced
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; our neighbours smoke that shit
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; smells bad
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; i opened the door just now
02:51 Helenah; Illegal just means wrote in law to be illegal
02:51 Helenah; enforced means the written laws are carried out
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; nobody smokes anything at 3am
02:52 Helenah; Pot is class A?
02:52 Helenah; You won't like this but...
02:52 Helenah; I can understand why they changed it to that...
02:52 schestowitz[TR]; the closest i got to narcotics was in medical procedure
02:52 Helenah; Because...
02:52 schestowitz[TR]; they made me more friendly
02:52 Helenah; I've heard big week smokers tell me I'm smoking the wrong stuff
02:52 Helenah; I've been smoking it since I was 19
02:52 schestowitz[TR]; but pain relievers really
02:52 Helenah; many many different strains
02:53 Helenah; both hybrid and non-bybrid
02:53 Helenah; Seriously... it debilitates me
02:53 Helenah; So if it debilitates me then I won't be the only one it does it to
02:53 schestowitz[TR]; i like reading
02:53 schestowitz[TR]; and writing
02:53 schestowitz[TR]; no need for booze
02:53 DaemonFC; I smoked pot when it was illegal.
02:53 DaemonFC; Just because I could.
02:53 Helenah; I used to want it to be legal, schestowitz[TR]
02:53 DaemonFC; Now that it's legal, it's like who cares.
02:53 DaemonFC; It's everywhere.
02:53 schestowitz[TR]; you can have booze
02:54 schestowitz[TR]; it's cheaper too, i think
02:54 Helenah; Not when driving though
02:54 schestowitz[TR]; bad on the liver
02:54 DaemonFC; People who aren't particularly clever can go buy it.
02:54 Helenah; which I agree with that law
02:54 DaemonFC; It FUNDS the state. Fuck the state.
02:54 schestowitz[TR]; 2l; bottle of chemical cider is still like one pound fifty
02:54 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], The beatings will continue until morale improves!
02:54 Helenah; Yeah it's ridiculous
02:54 Helenah; My step dad drank that nightly
02:54 DaemonFC; Pritzker seems to think this is fine.
02:55 Helenah; It fucked his liver
02:55 Helenah; And he was like "Bah, it won't fuck up again"
02:55 schestowitz[TR]; it would
02:55 Helenah; started again
02:55 Helenah; It was the second time he ended up in hospital that...
02:55 Helenah; it became lasered into his brain that it will fuck him up each time...
02:55 Helenah; He got scared and quit
02:55 schestowitz[TR]; good
02:55 Helenah; But after the first time he ended up in hospital
02:56 Helenah; My mother was like "Don't do that again"
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; permanent damage
02:56 Helenah; What did he do? He went to the park to drink it
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; quitting =damage control
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; same with smoking
02:56 Helenah; But my mother is a very tolerant person
02:56 Helenah; anyone else, he'd be out
02:56 Helenah; My mother even gave my biological father a second chance when he had an affair
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; alcohol is in our culture
02:57 Helenah; But my biological father blew the chance
02:57 schestowitz[TR]; the worker class was given booze to cope with hard life
02:57 Helenah; but he's a whackjob anyway, my step father is nice.
02:57 schestowitz[TR]; the pubs
02:57 Helenah; Yeah
02:57 schestowitz[TR]; btw, covid i view similarly
02:57 Helenah; I drink caffe corretto
02:57 schestowitz[TR]; fucks you ujp each time you get it
02:57 Helenah; I'm single vaccinated, schestowitz[TR]
02:57 schestowitz[TR]; still undecided on damage done by synthetic covid
02:57 Helenah; and had covid afterwards
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; depends on which maker, too
02:58 Helenah; Well
02:58 Helenah; I'm single vaxxed cause
02:58 Helenah; the vaccine fucked me up...
02:58 Helenah; I was almost dead...
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; now they want to press reset and do another round of 60 million shots
02:58 Helenah; It almost killed me
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; for "omicron"
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; all my close friends took the shots
02:58 Helenah; I don't want anymore vaccinations, schestowitz[TR]
02:58 Helenah; I'm terrified :'(
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; all of them had bnad things to say
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; they re not cranks
02:59 Helenah; My heart hasn't been the same since...
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; very well edeucated
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 165.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 120.63
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; one pro/lecturer
02:59 Helenah; The vaccine fucked my heart...
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; *prof
02:59 DaemonFC; I am a Doctor of Divinity.
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; the other has 3 masters degrees, world champion for atheletics
02:59 DaemonFC; It's true!
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; it did him a lot of damage
03:00 Helenah; And yet I get covid...
03:00 Helenah; and it's extremely mild
03:00 schestowitz[TR]; now they call everyone "antivaxxers"
03:00 Helenah; and my body fights it off in 2 days
03:00 schestowitz[TR]; even people who take it
03:00 schestowitz[TR]; if they don't like it
03:00 Helenah; I'd rather just get covid, schestowitz[TR]
03:00 DaemonFC; The Universal Life Church pretty much just gives away honorary titles.
03:00 Helenah; I prefer to have covid
03:00 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> schestowitz[TR], The beatings will continue until morale improves!
03:00 schestowitz[TR]; the doses will contiunuen until morale improves
03:00 DaemonFC; I figure get one that sounds important.
03:01 Helenah; DaemonFC: Do you think this is a Plandemic?
03:01 schestowitz[TR]; covid-19 stilll kills loads of people
03:01 schestowitz[TR]; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/
03:01 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com
03:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/22/piling-up-high/
03:01 TR Bot; Blog Archive Hiding the Reports to Hide the Bodies (That Pile Up High)
03:01 Helenah; Whether it's a plandemic or not...
03:01 Helenah; It's serious as fuck!
03:01 Helenah; Regardless...
03:01 Helenah; and should be taken seriously...
03:01 DaemonFC; Helenah, It would be impossible to prove one way or another whether this is bioengineered or released deliberately.
03:01 Helenah; Nobody knows how it started really
03:01 schestowitz[TR]; <Helenah> I prefer to have covid
03:01 schestowitz[TR]; better to have neither
03:01 Helenah; there is only ever speculation
03:02 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Yeah yeah ofc
03:02 DaemonFC; It's a little convenient that it kills pensioners.
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03:02 schestowitz[TR]; i recognise that's not possible in some occupations
03:02 Helenah; but I mean if I have to have one or the other
03:02 Helenah; it would be covid that I choose
03:02 Helenah; because of my experience with the vaccine.
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03:02 Helenah; And the fact that...
03:02 Helenah; the NHS said they'd help but
03:02 Helenah; repeated contact got me no help
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03:02 Helenah; They said I needed to take my other shots under the monitoring of a specialist
03:03 Helenah; I can't get them to do it so...
03:03 DaemonFC; My dad figures it was deliberate.
03:03 Helenah; I'm now denied vaccinations
03:03 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 4.7 GB TotalOut: 1.5 GB
03:03 DaemonFC; Kill off the people on Social Security and other pension funds.
03:03 DaemonFC; And leave the workers.
03:03 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: capitalism does not need pensioners
03:03 DaemonFC; Nope.
03:03 Helenah; And I would rather be denied vaccinations than take them and go home with that in my system and then end up dead...
03:04 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: No but they need people to be healthy :)
03:04 Helenah; To support worker count
03:04 Helenah; more workers, more money
03:04 schestowitz[TR]; my mom got cover 3+ times
03:04 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], If it leaves them all, then taxes will have to go up to pay for them.
03:04 schestowitz[TR]; AFTER she got 4 shots
03:04 schestowitz[TR]; she was bed-bound a lot
03:04 schestowitz[TR]; she his mid 60s
03:04 schestowitz[TR]; *got covid
03:04 schestowitz[TR]; not cover
03:04 schestowitz[TR]; typing while standing sorry
03:05 schestowitz[TR]; i try not to sit down TOOO much
03:05 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Are you from the UK? The British have a way of talking to each other but you don't show a single sign of that.
03:05 schestowitz[TR]; in manc
03:05 schestowitz[TR]; we live in same place
03:05 Helenah; Ah manc well they say that for short :D
03:06 schestowitz[TR]; man-che-stah!
03:06 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I had to abandon the city
03:06 schestowitz[TR]; a friend of mine left
03:06 Helenah; I was raped by 3 men
03:06 Helenah; I lived in the roughest estate in Bury...
03:06 schestowitz[TR]; moved to oldham area but the mountains
03:07 schestowitz[TR]; we like ther market in bury
03:07 schestowitz[TR]; did not go well outside it
03:07 Helenah; Hell I even had a pedophile killer in my house...
03:07 Helenah; And with me chatting on these IRC nets
03:07 Helenah; connected to like
03:07 Helenah; anoymisers
03:07 Helenah; tor and what not
03:07 Helenah; you hear a lot of pedo talk
03:07 Helenah; and I could've been killed
03:07 Helenah; if like...
03:07 Helenah; Someone talked of that
03:07 Helenah; and he saw it over my shoulder!
03:08 Helenah; o.o
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; that is a problem
03:08 Helenah; Yep
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; being force to live with dodgy people
03:08 Helenah; I was forced cause er...
03:08 Helenah; I developed stockholm syndrome
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; i know
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; wait
03:08 Helenah; You do?
03:08 Helenah; You had it?
03:09 schestowitz[TR]; i know comes before that
03:09 schestowitz[TR]; the irc sequence came out all wrong
03:09 Helenah; Oh wow nice, someone who understands me! :D
03:09 schestowitz[TR]; i nodded to forced
03:09 Helenah; hmm
03:09 Helenah; ah
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; i lives in moss side for a couple of months
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; with fellow students
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; it was cheap
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; i didn't get mugged
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; but those places are risky
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; this was 2001
03:10 Helenah; But yeah, Stockholm syndrome where you support the ones you're victim to. He was high profile, most wanted by the Manchester police and I was harbouring him because the stockholm syndrome.
03:11 Helenah; I was protecting him
03:11 Helenah; a pedophile killer...
03:11 schestowitz[TR]; financial constraints leave people unable to live with reliable co-tenants
03:11 Helenah; My heart is racing now...
03:11 Helenah; WTF
03:11 Helenah; did I say...
03:11 schestowitz[TR]; take your time
03:11 schestowitz[TR]; take a break
03:11 Helenah; Oh co-tenants, never done that.
03:12 Helenah; He wasn't a co-tenant.
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; they were OK
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; the surroundings were not
03:12 Helenah; hmm
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; 2 germanys, two brits
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; mostly computer scientists
03:12 Helenah; Ah
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; paying like 50 quid a week
03:12 Helenah; hmm
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; 20+ years ago
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; food was cheaper too
03:12 Helenah; Yes it was cheaper
03:13 schestowitz[TR]; the house was filthy.... men's place
03:13 Helenah; I harboured another murderer too
03:13 schestowitz[TR]; even CS men!
03:13 schestowitz[TR]; geeks are worst then average
03:13 Helenah; due to stockholm syndrome
03:13 schestowitz[TR]; one broughtn his girldfriened in
03:13 schestowitz[TR]; and she eventualkly did the bath
03:13 Helenah; And then when I was raped I supported the rapists
03:13 schestowitz[TR]; women are less tolerant to filth
03:13 Helenah; Yes
03:13 Helenah; agreed
03:14 schestowitz[TR]; i remember whose fault the filth was
03:14 schestowitz[TR]; even walking on the carpet was awful
03:14 Helenah; Oh
03:14 Helenah; :(
03:14 schestowitz[TR]; i used flip-flops
03:14 schestowitz[TR]; INSIDE the home
03:14 schestowitz[TR]; on ther carpets
03:14 Helenah; I lived in filth... :'(
03:14 Helenah; I didn't want to...
03:15 Helenah; I couldn't clean my home because my mental health was too shot, schestowitz[TR]
03:15 schestowitz[TR]; many people who nare high and or stoned end up like this
03:15 Helenah; stockholm syndrome and PTSD piling themselves on top of my Autism and ADHD...
03:15 schestowitz[TR]; i saw homes of "artistic types"
03:15 Helenah; Well they were forcing drugs into me
03:15 schestowitz[TR]; much worse than filthy
03:15 schestowitz[TR]; it's like a barn!
03:15 Helenah; cocaine, weed
03:16 Helenah; alcohol
03:16 Helenah; tobacco
03:16 Helenah; even food was forced into me
03:16 Helenah; turd forced into me
03:16 Helenah; beastiality I was forced to do
03:16 Helenah; blowjobs I was forced to give
03:16 Helenah; Had to do it or shag the knife and bleed to death
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; ssounds awful
03:16 Helenah; I would rather shag a dog than die, schestowitz[TR]
03:16 Helenah; And I was grossed out by it...
03:16 Helenah; and felt...
03:16 Helenah; er...
03:17 Helenah; sorry I'm crying...
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; sorry
03:17 Helenah; I felt sorry for the dog...
03:17 Helenah; while telling the rapist I was loving the dog sex
03:17 Helenah; while being grossed out by the sex
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; and did not report to the policed?
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; tbh, cops don't know how to deal with such stuff
03:17 Helenah; Police didn't believe me, schestowitz[TR]
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; yes, cops are on average not clever
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; and orrupt
03:18 Helenah; I was imprisoned too
03:18 Helenah; so it was years later
03:18 Helenah; before I could tell the police...
03:18 Helenah; and at that point I was busy fleeing the area
03:18 Helenah; Heart racing, running, panicing
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; rochdale still has this issue
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; but..
03:18 Helenah; "OH shit, don't catch me, don't want them to see me, don't want them to run after me"
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; not the same
03:18 Helenah; I ran and ran and ran
03:18 Helenah; and ran
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; cops cxovering up
03:18 Helenah; faster than ever in my life...
03:19 Helenah; I then banged hard on a strangers door I don't even know shouting "PLEASE LET ME IN!"
03:19 Helenah; Opened it, I ran in
03:19 Helenah; They er... sat me down and everything, cup of tea and everything, I'm crying, out of breath
03:19 Helenah; greasy
03:19 schestowitz[TR]; did she or he phone cops?
03:19 Helenah; She could tell
03:19 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Yeah but they didn't believe me
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; useless
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03:20 schestowitz[TR]; as usual
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; cops always let me down here
03:20 Helenah; :(
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; i learned to ignore them
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; they can come for a fight
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; that's it
03:20 Helenah; But yeah she said I looked a mess
03:20 Helenah; She said without me asking
03:20 Helenah; "You can go take a shower if you like"
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; anything more complicated than come for a fight.. not suitably trained
03:20 Helenah; My clothes were filthy
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; or dealing with stressed out victims
03:20 Helenah; I was fed food by the rapists to keep me alive
03:21 Helenah; so I would continue satisfying them
03:21 Helenah; it was 3 men
03:21 Helenah; but like...
03:21 Helenah; they turned it into a freak show of the 3 men plus 15 more...
03:21 Helenah; Irish, big family
03:21 Helenah; They watched
03:21 Helenah; 3 men one by one would shit into my mouth
03:21 Helenah; I had to eat it whole
03:21 Helenah; I wasn't allowed to puke it out and if I did I had to eat off the floor
03:22 Helenah; They claimed to be gypsies
03:22 Helenah; Showed me "gypsies having sex" videos
03:22 Helenah; it's rough
03:22 Helenah; had me do the stuff
03:22 Helenah; But they like... ran a business and er... rented an apartment
03:22 schestowitz[TR]; have they all been arrested yet?
03:23 Helenah; I don't know
03:23 Helenah; I'm in a lovely village now :D
03:23 Helenah; I <3 this villege!
03:23 Helenah; I deserve this place
03:23 Helenah; oh I'm tearing again
03:23 Helenah; but this time tears of happiness!
03:23 Helenah; awww
03:23 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, didn't imagine the discussion would gom down this route
03:24 Helenah; At first...
03:24 schestowitz[TR]; you are still young enough to restart
03:24 Helenah; when the PTSD was there I didn't speak of it
03:24 Helenah; unless my gf forced it out of me during a trigger
03:24 Helenah; So because of that...
03:24 Helenah; I now these days feel I can have a good talk about it, you know?
03:24 Helenah; Because I couldn't previously
03:25 schestowitz[TR]; so that was in bury
03:25 Helenah; I still get Stockholm syndrome a little bit
03:25 Helenah; Or should I say...
03:25 souseksi; Helenah, I'm sorry to hear you were in such a terrible situation
03:25 Helenah; I can feel in situations like
03:25 Helenah; if it got rough
03:25 Helenah; The syndrome would come out of me
03:25 Helenah; but everyone is nice around here
03:25 Helenah; souseksi: Aww thanks
03:25 Helenah; <3
03:25 schestowitz[TR]; you're welcome gere
03:25 schestowitz[TR]; *here
03:25 Helenah; I was a "yes" person
03:26 schestowitz[TR]; didn't even realise you are from the same city
03:26 Helenah; or a "no" person, whether I'd respond "yes" or "no" would depend on whether it put the criminal at an advantage.
03:26 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I'm not from it :D
03:26 Helenah; It was like I was a robotic assistant
03:26 schestowitz[TR]; the cops in yorkshire were also failing
03:26 Helenah; There to support the people who use me
03:27 schestowitz[TR]; several no-notorious places
03:27 schestowitz[TR]; know better for abuses like these than their football teams or history
03:27 Helenah; Told to cook a meal I went and cooked a meal
03:27 schestowitz[TR]; the sad thing is,
03:27 schestowitz[TR]; I don't think the police got any better since then
03:27 schestowitz[TR]; maybe they hide it better
03:27 schestowitz[TR]; hostage situation now involve landlords, too
03:28 Helenah; I wish I had man muscles
03:28 Helenah; It was as simple as this to keep me captive...
03:28 schestowitz[TR]; weapons are stronger than muscles
03:28 Helenah; grip me by the arm and drag me inside
03:28 schestowitz[TR]; but they're messsy to deal with
03:28 Helenah; That's all it took
03:28 Helenah; I was weak
03:28 Helenah; Trying to get htem off me was like wrestling with iron man
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; they use psychological tricks too
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; common theme
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; 1) turn the girl intoa junkie
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; than use the addiction
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; 2) call her "girlfriend"
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; then she eels guilty about leaving
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; 3) lower her morale a lot
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; that leads to stockholm syndrome
03:29 Helenah; :'(
03:30 schestowitz[TR]; or the self-esteem
03:30 schestowitz[TR]; .e.g. "you're BLOODY USELESS!"
03:30 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I'm intersex
03:30 starstreak; Helenah, that is absolutely terrifying and horrific, im sorry that happened to you
03:30 Helenah; and it was a thrill to them
03:30 Helenah; like I was some sex toy
03:30 Helenah; starstreak: They said to me "You're a dirty slut, aren't you?"
03:30 Helenah; While I was doing sexual stuff
03:30 Helenah; and I would be like "Yes, daddy, I'm a real dirty slut"
03:31 starstreak; :(
03:31 schestowitz[TR]; cops cannot distinguish between abusive spouse and sex prisoner
03:31 Helenah; And then they would get really like... er...
03:31 schestowitz[TR]; so they stay away
03:31 Helenah; aroused by it
03:31 Helenah; and push my head harder down onto their cock
03:31 Helenah; Mucus would come forward
03:31 Helenah; due to gagging
03:31 Helenah; choke a little on it
03:32 *Helenah huggles starstreak
03:32 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, I think we've gone a bit off topic
03:32 schestowitz[TR]; for a channel about tech
03:32 Helenah; Yeah
03:32 Helenah; Nobody seems to be talking tech though...
03:32 Helenah; hmm
03:32 Helenah; Anyone wanna talk about anyone?
03:32 Helenah; *anything
03:33 starstreak; i use arch btw
03:33 Helenah; Me too
03:33 Helenah; :D
03:33 starstreak; =)
03:33 Helenah; and devuan :3
03:33 starstreak; devuan on your servers right?
03:33 souseksi; starstreak joke is funny.
03:33 starstreak; souseksi, XD
03:34 starstreak; im gonna rent a server at the end of the month, probably use openbsd or freebsd
03:35 TR News; Better uninstall Windows, too https://linuxhint.com/uninstall-git-on-windows/ Git is better off done on UNIX/Linux
03:35 TR Bot; How to Uninstall Git on Windows
03:35 starstreak; if i cant get cjdns to work on those then i might use almalinux
03:35 Helenah; Sorry, gf just woke up
03:35 Helenah; might be slow responding
03:35 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: sorry if I could not help more
03:36 TR News; Raspberry Pi Music Station with MPD https://linuxhint.com/raspberry-pi-music-station-mpd/ Source: Linux Hint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxhint.com/raspberry-pi-music-station-mpd/
03:36 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi Music Station with MPD
03:37 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: No help was needed but I liked you talking about er... the tactics they used cause nobody has ever mentioned the tactics to me before and yet that is almost what happened but I got a gf so they tried making her relationship a polyamorous one. Anyway I will stop talking about this now but I'm free to talk further in PM.
03:37 Helenah; starstreak: Yes, Devuan on my servers.
03:37 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: thanks for the chat
03:38 schestowitz[TR]; we tested techrights/tuxmachines on devuan
03:38 schestowitz[TR]; but are now using alpine
03:38 Helenah; No problem. :3
03:38 schestowitz[TR]; I tried devuan on my main laptop
03:38 Helenah; Oh nice :D
03:38 schestowitz[TR]; but it lacked reaktek wifi support
03:38 schestowitz[TR]; *realtek
03:38 schestowitz[TR]; seems like a WELL-KNOWN issue
03:39 Helenah; Yes it is
03:39 schestowitz[TR]; realtek = bad for Linux
03:39 Helenah; Realtek and GNU/Linux don't mix very well.
03:39 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], have you considered using alpine linux as a desktop?
03:39 Helenah; Atheros mixes better, a LOT better.
03:39 schestowitz[TR]; I don'r want 20 meter ethernet cables crawling through here
03:39 schestowitz[TR]; we already have one (for the IP Phone)
03:39 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: My place in the city I er...
03:39 souseksi; Can I ask what does TR in schestowitz[TR] stand for?
03:39 Helenah; installed ethernet faceplates
03:39 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: yes
03:39 schestowitz[TR]; but I think I would miss some software
03:39 Helenah; So I simply plugged my ethernet cables into the wall. :D
03:39 starstreak; ahhh
03:40 Helenah; cat6
03:40 schestowitz[TR]; 2 nights ago I struggled with 'find'
03:40 schestowitz[TR]; as alpine had the busybox version of it
03:40 Helenah; Solid from socket to switch and stranded from computers to sockets
03:40 Helenah; Solid is good quality but stranded doesn't break easily.
03:40 schestowitz[TR]; I managed to avoid ethernet until late 2013
03:40 Helenah; So moving cables stranded and still cables solid
03:41 starstreak; I would switch to BSD but I would miss Brave, Discord and Element
03:41 schestowitz[TR]; when rianne and I lived together I wanted to take the machine to other rooms
03:41 schestowitz[TR]; so wifi was left on
03:41 schestowitz[TR]; otherwise I'd turn it on for guests
03:41 schestowitz[TR]; then turn it back off
03:41 starstreak; i wanted to put BSD on my raspi zero w but it doesnt have a wifi driver :(
03:42 Helenah; starstreak: I created a guest hotspot
03:42 Helenah; Which er...
03:42 Helenah; Basically
03:42 Helenah; Gave them an IP address on a subnet but the IP addresses couldn't see each other
03:42 Helenah; The isolated subnet could not see the LAN subnet and the isolated IPs could not see each other.
03:43 starstreak; oh nice, sounds secure
03:43 Helenah; So it was literally a gateway to the internet via wifi and nothing more.
03:43 Helenah; starstreak: Secure is how I work
03:43 Helenah; Secure, reliable, resource efficient
03:43 Helenah; starstreak: That wasn't all though...
03:43 Helenah; It had a ticket system
03:43 Helenah; er..
03:43 Helenah; ticket wrong word
03:44 Helenah; Basically
03:44 Helenah; I'd generate a pass
03:44 Helenah; and it would give them like an hours usage or something
03:44 Helenah; They would enter the pass they got into the captive portal
03:44 Helenah; It was like...
03:44 Helenah; the pass is randomly generated, never used again
03:44 starstreak; thats cool :D
03:45 Helenah; Two people can have two different passes
03:45 Helenah; One might have one hour the other two hours
03:46 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Guess how I had to dial 999?
03:46 Helenah; 9999
03:46 Helenah; 4 9s and not 3
03:46 schestowitz[TR]; where?
03:46 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: At my house
03:46 schestowitz[TR]; oh
03:46 Helenah; PBX system
03:46 Helenah; 9 = dial out
03:47 schestowitz[TR]; maybe tampered with
03:47 Helenah; Each number unless local to the LAN had to start with 9
03:47 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: tampered?
03:47 Helenah; It's my system
03:47 schestowitz[TR]; ah, ok
03:47 Helenah; It had an ISDN modem
03:47 schestowitz[TR]; 1990s?
03:48 Helenah; The modem was used to make and receive calls via the telephone line, schestowitz[TR]
03:48 Helenah; Actually I had 8 as a dial out code too
03:48 Helenah; 9 = PSTN
03:48 Helenah; 8 = GSM
03:48 schestowitz[TR]; I almost forgot how those worked
03:48 starstreak; Helenah, did you ever use BBSes?
03:48 Helenah; *PTSN
03:48 schestowitz[TR]; I moved to LAN in 2000
03:48 Helenah; starstreak: Now I got a screenshot for you! :D
03:49 Helenah; starstreak: The echo command, the prompt, the username, the hostname, the escape characters, I coded it all! https://i.imgur.com/hibBkyd.jpg
03:49 Helenah; Custom SSH implementation
03:50 Helenah; Basically the custom implementation has no way to the host OS shell
03:50 Helenah; It's simply hard coded into the program
03:50 Helenah; I coded a shell...
03:50 Helenah; a user and groups management system
03:50 starstreak; sweet
03:50 Helenah; a echo command
03:50 Helenah; a date command
03:50 Helenah; a who command
03:51 Helenah; Screenshot before echo was POSIX compliant https://i.imgur.com/HpFFX4R.jpg
03:51 Helenah; Oh and I coded the file and directory system
03:51 Helenah; I need to dig this code out now...
03:52 schestowitz[TR]; systemd-echod
03:52 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: No init system
03:52 schestowitz[TR]; lol. systemd-LSD
03:52 Helenah; It's simply a SSH-based TCP/IP based BBS
03:52 Helenah; that I hadn't gotten around to coding er...
03:52 Helenah; more useful stuff for
03:52 Helenah; but it has erm... what's it
03:52 Helenah; a wall command
03:52 Helenah; 1min
03:53 starstreak; i still connect to a BBS to play legend of the red dragon
03:53 Helenah; starstreak: https://i.imgur.com/iCqEhCs.jpg
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; I missed most of the bbs era
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; friends with bbs would burn me CDs with the rars from bbs
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; or arj etc.
03:54 starstreak; CDs? lol
03:54 starstreak; i had floppies
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; those rars were 1.4mb in size
03:55 schestowitz[TR]; but later we got better ways to pass files around
03:55 TR News; Whats curious about these latest figures is that no place really adopted Vista 11 (in any meaningful way; a tough economy discourages PC sales and Microsoft has mass layoffs) http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/12-months-later-vista-11-still-mia-very-small-share-and-in-some-places-vista-7-has-higher-share-than-vista-10/
03:55 TR Bot; 12 Months Later Vista 11 Still MIA (Very Small Share) and in Some Places Vista 7 Has Higher Share Than Vista 10! | Techrights
03:55 Helenah; I found the motd file, starstreak
03:55 Helenah; https://termbin.com/1ia8
03:55 starstreak; i had win95 on floppy disks
03:55 starstreak; i didnt get a cdrom drive until around 2000
03:55 Helenah; Wasn't that like 25 floppies or something?
03:56 TR News; (NEW): Firefox 105 Beta Brings Memory Fixes, Two-Finger Swipe Back/Forward Gesture on Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Firefox_105_Beta_Brings_Memory_Fixes_Two_Finger_Swipe_Gesture.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Firefox_105_Beta_Brings_Memory_Fixes_Two_Finger_Swipe_Gesture.gmi
03:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines Firefox 105 Beta Brings Memory Fixes, Two-Finger Swipe Back/Forward Gesture on Linux
03:56 starstreak; yeah
03:56 Helenah; You could merged em together, stick them on a disc :D
03:56 Helenah; I did that myself :D
03:56 starstreak; my 386 didnt have an optical drive
03:56 Helenah; <===== 28 years old
03:56 Helenah; but I was a lucky kid
03:56 starstreak; i didnt get a 486 until around 2000
03:56 starstreak; im 37
03:56 Helenah; I had a computer at 4
03:57 Helenah; Lemme find what I had
03:57 DaemonFC; I got a computer at 5. The Commodore.
03:57 starstreak; i started my transition at 34 and psychologist approved surgery, proof that you dont have to be young to transition
03:57 DaemonFC; The C64 was not a bad system for the time.
03:57 DaemonFC; They kept making them into the early 90s.
03:57 starstreak; my first computer was a 16Mhz 386
03:57 DaemonFC; So, my first computer was not a PC.
03:58 Helenah; You don't have to be young for most things you're told you have to be young for...
03:58 starstreak; it came with 4mb ram
03:58 Helenah; Such as university
03:58 Helenah; This man
03:58 Helenah; he started uni for the first time...
03:58 Helenah; at 80 years old
03:58 starstreak; i did paralegal school (college) a few years ago
03:58 Helenah; Why? He said it gave him something to learn and do.
03:58 DaemonFC; You couldn't even do anything UNIX-like on such a system.
03:58 starstreak; yeah i love learning
03:58 starstreak; i'd love to go to university to become a lawyer
03:59 DaemonFC; Tanenbaum was mocked for restricting Minix in the 90s to what was available on the 80286.
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 74.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 70.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 105.11
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04:00 Helenah; Found it! My first computer! https://i.imgur.com/Nt47QcZ.png
04:00 starstreak; i had the same monitor
04:00 Helenah; :D
04:00 Helenah; nice
04:00 Helenah; I hated CRT though
04:01 Helenah; I have sensory processing disorder
04:01 Helenah; they knocked me sick...
04:01 starstreak; i didnt mind
04:01 Helenah; and gave me migraines
04:01 Helenah; I'd puke everywhere...
04:01 DaemonFC; Mr. GULAG is busy amusing himself with Microsoft's PC UNIX.
04:01 DaemonFC; "Xenix"
04:01 Helenah; same for CRT TVs
04:01 Helenah; CRT tubes made me extremely ill
04:01 Helenah; And so do lights
04:01 starstreak; i used that monitor with windows 3.11, trumpet winsock, mIRC and ICQ
04:01 Helenah; but CRTs were different...
04:01 Helenah; there was something about how they felt...
04:01 Helenah; I could feel them "emitting" something
04:01 Helenah; at my body
04:01 Helenah; and it made me very ill...
04:01 starstreak; i still have my six digit icq number
04:02 Helenah; So I didn't spend much time in front of such tubes
04:02 DaemonFC; I don't think ICQ is still around.
04:02 starstreak; thats a shame
04:02 starstreak; crt monitors are so classic
04:02 DaemonFC; You can use it with a different server, but there's only a few users on that server.
04:02 DaemonFC; Like AIM and MSN.
04:02 Helenah; The refresh rate is unhealthy though.
04:03 Helenah; And I can see it
04:03 Helenah; Then again...
04:03 starstreak; oh wow
04:03 Helenah; When can I not see lights flicker?
04:03 Helenah; They all flicker...
04:03 starstreak; is that your autistic super power?
04:03 Helenah; Yes
04:03 DaemonFC; I mostly used AOL Instant Messenger during the "Messenger" days, but I was also on MSN and Yahoo.
04:03 Helenah; I hear electricity too
04:03 starstreak; i thought i had good hearing
04:03 starstreak; i do technically
04:03 Helenah; Me and my gf was out walking...
04:03 DaemonFC; Yahoo Messenger ended up being like "Grindr by mistake" for a while.
04:03 starstreak; im autistic too
04:03 Helenah; I said "I smell onions"
04:04 Helenah; She was like "I can't, where?"
04:04 Helenah; I said "Down there"
04:04 DaemonFC; They had user chatrooms with no moderation and all sorts of horrible things went on in there.
04:04 Helenah; We walked...
04:04 Helenah; 20 minutes later...
04:04 DaemonFC; But there was an Indiana_M4M room
04:04 Helenah; there the onion was, walked right to it
04:04 Helenah; and then I said "I told you"
04:04 Helenah; She was like "Wow"
04:04 starstreak; lol wow
04:04 DaemonFC; And like, it didn't take long for thousands of gay men in Indiana to find it.
04:05 Helenah; DaemonFC: Told you I'm not crazy... I'm just different.
04:05 starstreak; thats impressive
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04:05 Helenah; So yeah, that's me
04:06 starstreak; i have super hearing
04:06 Helenah; Yeah me too
04:06 Helenah; It's good and a curse
04:06 Helenah; at the same time :D
04:06 DaemonFC; I still keep in touch with some people I met in Indiana_M4M on Yahoo.
04:06 starstreak; even got my hearing tested by the military and they were quite impressed by it
04:06 DaemonFC; Most of them are on Facebook.
04:06 Helenah; I'd had colour vision tests too
04:06 starstreak; they put me into a sound proof room and i could hear my heart beating
04:06 Helenah; come back perfect
04:06 DaemonFC; ICQ was never really popular in the US.
04:07 Helenah; but my eyes aren't good
04:07 TR News; Transcript of Jim Zemlin Talking About His Wifes (Sheela Microsoft) Reaction to Linux | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/who-runs-the-linux-foundation/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/23/who-runs-the-linux-foundation/
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04:07 Helenah; my colour vision is super
04:07 Helenah; well 10%
04:07 Helenah; 100%
04:07 Helenah; but my eyes?
04:07 Helenah; LOL
04:07 Helenah; I got VS (Visual Snow)
04:07 starstreak; i have above average sight too
04:07 starstreak; i also have probability field manipulation
04:08 Helenah; This https://assets.medpagetoday.net/media/images/84xxx/84531.jpg
04:08 Helenah; On the right is my vision
04:08 starstreak; https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Probability_Manipulation
04:08 TR Bot; Probability Manipulation | Superpower Wiki | Fandom
04:08 Helenah; On the left is normal vision
04:08 starstreak; oh weird
04:08 starstreak; fuzzy vision?
04:08 Helenah; My neurology is screwed starstreak
04:08 Helenah; It has pixels in it
04:08 Helenah; and er...
04:09 Helenah; grains
04:09 Helenah; They look like that of a untuned TV
04:09 Helenah; Or partially tuned should I say
04:10 Helenah; But I'm good at graphics design! :D
04:10 starstreak; im really good at video editing in imovie but i haven't found anything on linux thats as easy to use
04:10 starstreak; imovie is fantastic
04:10 Helenah; And music production
04:10 Helenah; https://soundcloud.com/helenab-6/helena-bolan-moonscapes-original
04:10 TR Bot; Helena Bolan - Moonscapes (Original) by Helenah | Listen online for free on SoundCloud
04:11 starstreak; it has a nice retro sound to it
04:11 Helenah; Yes, it's synthwave :D
04:11 Helenah; 80s genre of electronic music
04:12 starstreak; i love synthwave
04:12 Helenah; Gary Numan, Human League, artists like that
04:12 starstreak; vapourwave is nice too
04:12 Helenah; :D
04:12 Helenah; Yes
04:12 starstreak; vapourwave is more 90s right?
04:12 Helenah; Yeah it seems to sound it
04:13 starstreak; one of my all time favourite CDs is the Tron Legacy soundtrack by Daft Punk
04:13 Helenah; <3
04:14 Helenah; The drums in my soundtrack are erm...
04:14 DaemonFC; What really hurts you is deciding to show mercy to someone.
04:14 Helenah; Roland TR-808
04:14 DaemonFC; I'll leave what that means up to the imagination.
04:14 starstreak; Did you ever listen to .MOD files?
04:15 Helenah; DaemonFC: Why should that hurt?
04:15 DaemonFC; Because few people will show mercy to you or be thankful and stop trying to drag you down while you're stopped to help them.
04:15 Helenah; hmm
04:16 Helenah; But surely "being a good example" matters too, no?
04:16 Helenah; If nobody showed mercy then nobody will ever show mercy.
04:16 Helenah; There is always a kickstarter
04:17 Helenah; and then there are the people that follow who support it
04:17 Helenah; It's how "gain in popularity" works
04:17 Helenah; First something is made...
04:17 Helenah; Then people start supporting it
04:17 Helenah; then more people jump onto it
04:17 Helenah; If people decided to go backwards and become barbarians then everyone will be the same way.
04:18 Helenah; You've got to be the difference, the better example.
04:18 Helenah; The one who wants change
04:18 starstreak; Helenah, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=32399
04:18 TR Bot; The Mod Archive v4.0b - A distinctive collection of modules - the real at&t mix - Att.mod (MOD)
04:18 Helenah; Oh that!
04:18 Helenah; Yeah I like that! :D
04:19 Helenah; That and er... milkytracker :3
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04:19 Helenah; I like listening to them and maybe messing around with them but my music production lies with LMMS.
04:19 starstreak; when I was too poor to play MP3 files (because of my 16Mhz), i'd listen to midi and mod files
04:19 Helenah; :3
04:19 Helenah; <3
04:20 Helenah; Yeah
04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
04:20 Helenah; and now people take MP3 for granted :D
04:20 Helenah; History repeats this way all the time...
04:20 starstreak; the soundblaster awe32 was SOOOO good at playing midi files, it had ram on it for the midi tables
04:20 Helenah; First something isn't easy to get
04:20 Helenah; before long even a baby can get it
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04:20 Helenah; next thing it's taken for granted...
04:20 Helenah; Oh midi tables :D
04:20 Helenah; I remember that card.
04:21 starstreak; midi files need a good sound card to really get the whole experience
04:21 Helenah; Yeah
04:21 starstreak; Windows 2000/XP came with a good midi tables emulator
04:22 Helenah; brb
04:22 Helenah; need to pee
04:22 Helenah; My bum hurts... :D
04:22 Helenah; Sat down too long, can't get up! lol I'm gonna have a stretch I think, brb
04:23 starstreak; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjTYUxDyjI8
04:23 TR Bot; https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=BjTYUxDyjI8
04:23 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=BjTYUxDyjI8 )
04:23 starstreak; Tom Green - The bum bum song
04:24 *Helenah looks
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04:24 Helenah; That stretch helped :D
04:25 Helenah; Does anyone ever feel like a hypochondriac?
04:25 Helenah; Or should I say...
04:25 Helenah; Like... they could be accused of it?
04:26 Helenah; Nice music :D
04:27 starstreak; =)
04:27 starstreak; tom green is the best
04:28 Helenah; :D
04:29 Helenah; I hate the list of conditions I have...
04:29 starstreak; I got ASD, ADHD, Social Anxiety, Gender Dysphoria
04:30 Helenah; It's the amount
04:30 schestowitz[TR]; i've had that tom green track on my frive for 20+ years
04:30 schestowitz[TR]; *drive
04:30 starstreak; :)
04:30 schestowitz[TR]; he even did a show with monica lewinski
04:30 starstreak; im glad you like it too schestowitz[TR]
04:32 Helenah; ASD (selective mutism, social communication disorder, sensory processing disorder, hyperlexia, dyscalculia, opposition defiant disorder), ADHD, VS (Visual Snow), light sensitivity to the point of wearing super dark tinted glasses, intersex, cancer, astma as a child, placental deficiency inside the womb
04:32 Helenah; See?
04:32 Helenah; See why I get scared of being accused of being a hypochondriac?
04:32 Helenah; Yet I'm not the one adding to that list...
04:33 Helenah; It's complication after complication after complication... it gets bigger as I get older...
04:33 Helenah; cancer at 16, ASD diagnosis at 14
04:33 Helenah; See?
04:33 Helenah; Well actually the cancer part was 2 misdiagnosis and one possibly correct one...
04:34 Helenah; soft tissue unclsssified myxoid sarcoma
04:34 Helenah; left 6th palsy is another thing I had, that cleared up with a debulking and a 12th right palsy which is still there.
04:35 Helenah; I had that PTSD but it cleared up and that stockholm syndrome which seems to have at least gone back into its cave.
04:36 Helenah; I'm infertile
04:36 starstreak; I got my ASD diagnosis a couple years ago
04:36 Helenah; Oh nice
04:36 starstreak; and im 37
04:36 Helenah; Yeah that's great cause now at least er...
04:36 Helenah; At least you are validated :)
04:37 starstreak; yes exactly :)
04:37 Helenah; and things will be clearer to you :D
04:37 Helenah; But yeah, you should've had that younger really but there you go...
04:37 starstreak; autism spectrum disorder without intellectual disability, without communication disorder, requiring supports
04:37 Helenah; Doesn't always happen that way, especially in past times...
04:37 starstreak; i was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid
04:38 Helenah; Did you see the brackets I put on my ASD label? That will give you details of mine.
04:38 starstreak; yeah
04:38 Helenah; I was diagnosed with ADHD a lil younger than ASD
04:38 Helenah; the inattentive one
04:38 Helenah; I mask like fuck...
04:38 Helenah; 1min
04:39 starstreak; I mask like fuck too
04:39 starstreak; thats what took so long for a dx
04:39 Helenah; starstreak: https://termbin.com/yy56
04:40 starstreak; oh wow
04:40 Helenah; Yeah
04:41 Helenah; My experience is women are expected to be socially sophisticated. :/
04:41 Helenah; That it's even harder to make friends with a girl than it is a boy as a kid...
04:41 Helenah; You could make friends with a boy just by rolling around in a bit of dirt...
04:42 Helenah; Then there's the expectations they get fired onto them because they're expected to be the one who mothers a child, who gives birth to the child, who bleeds...
04:42 Helenah; And it's fuckin' wrong because people should be raised equally, not based on sex...
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04:42 Helenah; I think other factors can cause masking too but I thinkthat's A factor if you know what I mean...
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04:43 starstreak; yeah i know
04:44 Helenah; You being transgender probably heightened your masking ability. Having to "pretend" you are a man/boy when you are actually and always have been a girl/woman.
04:45 starstreak; when i started to transition i just stopped the masking and my autism came out
04:45 Helenah; Hey though
04:45 Helenah; If at any time I trigger you, ANY TIME
04:45 Helenah; Please tell me because
04:45 starstreak; dont worry, you
04:45 Helenah; I'm not a nasty piece of work and will rectify.
04:45 starstreak; you're cool
04:45 Helenah; Thanks :)
04:45 starstreak; =)
04:46 Helenah; So erm...
04:46 Helenah; You don't ask anymore?
04:46 Helenah; And you are 30 odd?
04:46 Helenah; DAMN
04:46 Helenah; I'm 28 and still do it... so like... what age did you stop masking?
04:46 starstreak; i don't have the energy to mask anymore
04:46 Helenah; Yesh it's exhausting :/
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04:46 Helenah; I cry at times to my gf...
04:46 Helenah; her mother is annoying me at the moment
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04:47 Helenah; I went from living in the city to being annoyed by neighbours at my door every two minutes to living here needing my door locked at all times because her mother helps herself to come here...
04:47 Helenah; without telling us
04:47 Helenah; and I can't do with unannounced visits.
04:47 Helenah; *deal
04:47 Helenah; I need to mentally gear up to them...
04:47 starstreak; i wouldn't be able to deal with that because of my social anxiety
04:47 Helenah; I need prior warning, give me 24 hours :D
04:48 starstreak; exactly
04:48 Helenah; I have selective mutism
04:48 Helenah; That's extremely difficult to mask
04:48 starstreak; me too
04:48 Helenah; It's apparently common in girls and those who are learning another language but anyone can have it. lol
04:48 starstreak; i can't speak much when its a stranger
04:48 Helenah; I can
04:48 Helenah; but it's like erm...
04:48 Helenah; How did I put this :D
04:49 Helenah; I'm forcing myself to do it, keeping straight to show no signs of struggle for like an hour and half before like I get tired
04:49 Helenah; and my head is racing "How do i escape the environment without looking rude?!" :D
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04:51 starstreak; i try to find ways to escape asap
04:51 Helenah; Yeah same
04:51 Helenah; It's just...
04:51 Helenah; I want to socialise... this is the thing... I want to do it! I want friends...
04:52 Helenah; But it's like an hour and half effort each time I meet...
04:52 starstreak; i have 47 friends and thats on facebook
04:52 starstreak; i socialize on the net
04:52 Helenah; I have 300 on there but don't use it.
04:52 Helenah; I hate Facebook
04:53 starstreak; me too
04:53 starstreak; i prefer to socialize on irc and discord
04:53 starstreak; i have a really good friend on element
04:53 Helenah; I prefer IRC :D
04:53 Helenah; element as in the web client for Matrix protocol?
04:54 starstreak; yes
04:54 Helenah; ah
04:54 starstreak; e2e encryption
04:54 Helenah; My cancer doesn't help...
04:54 Helenah; with my Autism
04:54 Helenah; Yes, it's e2e
04:54 Helenah; It causes physical pain
04:54 Helenah; damn another condition...
04:55 Helenah; HERE GOES
04:55 Helenah; occipital neuralgia
04:55 Helenah; it's a pain disorder
04:55 Helenah; Told you...
04:55 Helenah; I got this huge list and I don't like it!!!
04:55 starstreak; occipital is the visual region in your brain
04:55 Helenah; It makes me feel like er... some scumbag who is claiming to have every condition under the sun...
04:55 starstreak; thats probably why CRT fucked you up
04:55 Helenah; when I'm not
04:56 Helenah; Well erm...
04:56 Helenah; the cancer is at the skull base
04:56 Helenah; Yes you are right in regards to brain region
04:56 Helenah; but the occipital nerves are long
04:57 Helenah; They are at the back of the skull, go around the back of the cranian, around the fore head and back of the yes
04:57 Helenah; So the pain starts at the skull base like an electrical jolt, a migraine, a headaache, it radiates up the nerve, around the head and behind the eyes
04:58 Helenah; *base of the skull
04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 73.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 104.60
05:02 starstreak; i can't imagine how much that must suck :(
05:03 Helenah; It sucks bad cause I've to take co-dydramol and naproxen for it
05:03 Helenah; Since I was 16
05:03 Helenah; It's growing now btw
05:03 Helenah; I don't care anymore I'm used to this...
05:04 Helenah; I'm just a fuck up and I got to accept that that is "Helenah"
05:04 Helenah; But beyond that I'm no fuck up :D
05:04 Helenah; I'm just me :3
05:04 Helenah; <3
05:04 starstreak; <3
05:05 TR News; New: Text-based sql client gemini://arns.lt/en/f/notes/v/lqs.gmi
05:05 TR News; "I've created this capsule in gemini space but I'm still not known to others. I'm not in threads and searching engines. How to spread message about my capsule? How to create acceptable feed?" gemini://arns.lt/en/f/gemini/w/howto_create_gemini_feed.gmi
05:05 Helenah; Damn I got to count these conditions now.... this is unbelievable...
05:07 TR News; "The main shortage is with gas, but the UK burns a lot of gas in turbines to generate electricity, so electricity prices are affected too." gemini://ur.gs/blog/off-grid-in-suburbia/
05:07 Helenah; damn okies
05:08 Helenah; So if there is a magic pill
05:08 Helenah; That makes all your diseases go away...
05:08 Helenah; I'd take in a heart beat :D
05:08 starstreak; its called LSD
05:08 starstreak; lol
05:08 Helenah; lol
05:09 heureka; i prefer a clear mind
05:09 Helenah; heureka: To be honest, me too
05:09 starstreak; i miss LSD
05:09 Helenah; Despite the weed smoking...
05:09 starstreak; i've had LSD once and it was such a good experience
05:10 heureka; i refrain from anything which impairs thinking
05:10 heureka; except, after 24hours of hacking, i take a nap of vodka
05:10 starstreak; heureka, you
05:10 Helenah; Well weed makes my selective mutism worse
05:10 starstreak; heureka, you're already crazy enough
05:10 Helenah; It can switch it on completely
05:10 Helenah; making it no longer selective...
05:10 starstreak; Helenah, same, and it makes me paranoid
05:10 Helenah; My gf hates it...
05:10 heureka; strangely, i've never had withdrawal symptoms from alcohol
05:10 TR News; "NVIDIA has released the latest update to their special Vulkan Beta Driver, for developers and users who want to test out the very-latest stuff." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/nvidia-vulkan-beta-driver-5154914-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
05:10 TR Bot; Vulkan Beta Driver 515.49.14 out now | GamingOnLinux
05:10 Helenah; She'll be like "When you smoke that weed, you won't talk for days and you are just a mong"
05:10 Helenah; lol
05:10 TR News; "After being announced back in June, we now actually have a release date for the latest Hearts of Iron IV expansion from Paradox with By Blood Alone coming on September 27th" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/hearts-of-iron-iv-by-blood-alone-set-to-release-on-september-27th/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
05:10 TR Bot; of Iron IV - By Blood Alone set to release on September 27th | GamingOnLinux
05:11 TR News; "Creative Assembly and SEGA have announced the massive Total War: WARHAMMER III 2.0 patch which comes along with a Beta version of Immortal Empires." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/total-war-warhammer-iii-2-0-immortal-empires-linux-update-as-soon-as-possible/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
05:11 TR Bot; War: WARHAMMER III 2.0 out with Immortal Empires, Linux update 'as soon as possible' | GamingOnLinux
05:11 Helenah; But at the same time she knows why :D
05:11 Helenah; She can call me a mong cause I know she isn't meaning it offensively :D
05:11 heureka; it's "only" coffee and cigarettes, and then, what i dislike with nicotine withdrawel is only this: tiredness, sleepyness
05:11 Helenah; I'm tired all the time heureka
05:12 Helenah; that I don't know when I'm tired
05:12 heureka; a coffee and cigarette, bam, i am awake... without it i barely get up
05:12 Helenah; It's 5am
05:12 *souseksi (~souseksi@z4erpfet58qwy.irc) has joined #techrights
05:12 Helenah; and I don't know if I'm tired because of drugs or cause I need sleep
05:12 Helenah; I don't know...
05:12 heureka; or both
05:12 starstreak; lol
05:12 Helenah; I'm probably like really er...
05:12 Helenah; sleep deprived for years many many years, since age 16 now
05:13 Helenah; Maybe I should go to bed but idk
05:13 Helenah; I'm confused, soo confused
05:13 starstreak; i wish LSD was legal, its like impossible to find and i don't feel safe ordering it from the darknet
05:13 Helenah; I used to take morphine
05:13 starstreak; i don't want to get arrested
05:13 Helenah; no joke...
05:13 Helenah; My pain used to be SOOO BAD
05:14 Helenah; I had to take strong stuff, morphine...
05:14 Helenah; ...
05:14 starstreak; the guy in mr robot snorted morphine
05:14 Helenah; They tried everything weak, mid, a bit strong...
05:14 Helenah; Nothing worked
05:14 Helenah; but hey debulkings means I just take naproxen and er... co-dydramol now :D
05:15 Helenah; Now time to express how I felt on morphine, heureka and starstreak :3 https://soundcloud.com/helenab-6/lady-morphine-original
05:15 TR Bot; Helena Bolan - Lady Morphine (Original) by Helenah | Listen online for free on SoundCloud
05:15 Helenah; That's how I felt ^
05:16 starstreak; you're pretty :)
05:16 Helenah; Thankies :D
05:16 Helenah; It isn't the first time I've used sounds to describe my feelings.
05:17 Helenah; starstreak: I'm a mixture of er... both
05:17 Helenah; Not sure if you read that condition tooo...
05:17 Helenah; :/
05:17 Helenah; in my list...
05:17 starstreak; which one
05:18 Helenah; Intersex (45,X/46,XY mosaicism)
05:18 starstreak; ohhh yeah
05:18 TR News; "ProtonUp-Qt is a simple and great way to manage the likes of GE-Proton (previously known as Proton GE), the Luxtorpeda compatibility tool for Native Linux game engines and more." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/protonup-qt-for-easy-ge-proton-installs-on-linux-and-steam-deck-v270-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
05:18 TR Bot; for easy GE-Proton installs on Linux and Steam Deck v2.7.0 out now | GamingOnLinux
05:19 starstreak; I always wondered what that was like
05:20 Helenah; What was?
05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
05:20 Helenah; Intersex or the actual condition?
05:20 Helenah; I was lucky
05:20 *souseksi has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
05:20 starstreak; intersex
05:21 Helenah; When I was born, my mother was kept in the loop (luckily) about some surgical procedure they said they "had to do"
05:21 Helenah; it was a lie
05:21 Helenah; Anyway...
05:21 Helenah; when she was told exactly like... what was going on... and found out it isn't even life threatening and can wait she turned it down...
05:21 Helenah; arguing it should be my choice
05:21 Helenah; while most parents of intersex children fell for this shit...
05:22 Helenah; and end up growing up intersex advocates
05:22 heureka; what is intersex?
05:22 Helenah; Fighting for this stuff to not happen again
05:22 starstreak; you are lucky
05:22 Helenah; 'What does intersex mean? Intersex is a general term used for a variety of situations in which a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't fit the boxes of female or male. Sometimes doctors do surgeries on intersex babies and children to make their bodies fit binary ideas of male or female.'
05:22 Helenah; Sex is fluid, heureka
05:22 Helenah; It isn't solid and binary like people think it is.
05:23 Helenah; Typically it is binary and you are one or the other
05:23 Helenah; but there are exceptions to this rule
05:23 Helenah; The biology that drives sex development is not clear cut
05:23 Helenah; It is not simple as 1 or 0
05:23 Helenah; a LOT MORE is going on behind the scenes.
05:23 Helenah; and it can go wrong at any point
05:24 Helenah; My cell structure is a mixture of cells containing a Y chromosome and cells not containing a Y chromosomes
05:24 Helenah; so my cells were sexually developing in different ways from each other
05:24 Helenah; which for me personally caused me to develop bits and pieces of both sexes.
05:25 Helenah; You could say some of my cells are genetically male and some of my cells are genetically female
05:25 Helenah; and they're all clumped together in a single entity (me)
05:25 heureka; sexual hormones?
05:25 Helenah; I don't take hormones.
05:25 heureka; all people got them.
05:25 Helenah; Yes I know
05:25 starstreak; i did the 23andme thing and it said i was male, they asked me to confirm and asked if i was trans
05:26 Helenah; Ah
05:26 Helenah; It would probably say the same for me because of the mixture of both male and female DNA hanging around in my mucus.
05:27 Helenah; The Y chromosome makes them put "Male" down cause like... er... that's how scientists classify this stuff that a Y chromosome makes a karyotypically male genome
05:27 TR News; "GOG are making a big splash with "The GOG Sale" which is live now until September 5th, 10 PM UTC. Time to pick up a bunch of DRM free goodies?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/gog-have-a-huge-sale-going-with-giveaways-flash-deals/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
05:27 TR Bot; have a huge sale going with giveaways, flash deals | GamingOnLinux
05:27 Helenah; I don't classify myself as transgender by the way
05:27 Helenah; Cause I was lucky
05:27 heureka; i don't know, i wouldn't give it too much thought
05:28 Helenah; heureka: I've had all my life to think about this stuff.
05:28 Helenah; I'm not thinking up anything new.
05:28 Helenah; just conversing.
05:28 heureka; Helenah: everyone has to live through puberty
05:28 Helenah; heureka: I've gone through puberty.
05:28 TR News; "Valve has confirmed that production of the Steam Deck has gone better than expected, and so even more (yes again) people will be seeing their emails to purchase one." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/steam-deck-production-better-than-expected-q4-emails-already-going-out/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
05:28 TR Bot; Deck production better than expected, Q4 emails already going out | GamingOnLinux
05:28 Helenah; My cup size is 38B because of that
05:29 Helenah; I do look boyish though, heureka
05:29 Helenah; It doesn't bother me that I look boyish
05:29 DaemonFC; https://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/sensibilities/indiana.htm
05:29 TR Bot; The History of Sodomy Laws in the United States - Indiana
05:30 DaemonFC; "In 1807, the Indiana Territory adopted a comprehensive criminal code3 that included a sodomy law that eliminated the gender-specifics and reduced the penalty to a maximum of 1-5 years in prison, a fine of $100-$500, up to 500 lashes "well laid on, on his or her bare back" and a permanent loss of civil rights.4 The imprisonment sentence was the third-longest in the criminal code, and the 500 lashes for sodomy were the most that could be given
05:30 DaemonFC; for any crime. The new law was signed by Governor and future President William Henry Harrison.5"
05:30 DaemonFC; Very progressive.
05:30 DaemonFC; Only 5 years in prison and 500 lashes and a permanent loss of civil rights.
05:30 Helenah; Please may you pastebin your texts?
05:30 Helenah; It's just, it pushes everything into the scrollback.
05:31 TR News; "If you are taking the first step in learning Bash scripting, then you have come to the right place." https://ostechnix.com/introduction-to-bash-scripting/ | Source: OSTechNix
05:31 TR Bot; To Bash Scripting - OSTechNix
05:31 TR News; "WordPress is an open source and free blogging application and a dynamic CMS (Content Management System) developed using MySQL and PHP." https://www.tecmint.com/install-wordpress-with-apache-on-centos-rhel-fedora/ | Source: TecMint
05:31 TR Bot; How to Install WordPress with LAMP in RHEL Distributions
05:32 starstreak; im 36C
05:33 Helenah; I'm sweating a lot
05:33 Helenah; Can't cope
05:33 Helenah; my gf thinks I sweat excessively, she ain't lying
05:33 Helenah; It's annoying when I just wanna open the window and she's like "No, it's freezing"
05:34 starstreak; lol
05:34 Helenah; and I'm like "How can I be pouring sweat if it's freezing?" but then other people will agree with her... so I don't bloody know anymore...
05:34 Helenah; LOL
05:34 TR News; BSDCan 2022 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/playlist?list=PLeF8ZihVdpFfttOtsot131byFrDVztt8T | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/PLeF8ZihVdpFfttOtsot131byFrDVztt8T https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeF8ZihVdpFfttOtsot131byFrDVztt8T
05:34 TR Bot; BSDCan 2022 - Invidious
05:34 TR Bot; 2022 - YouTube
05:34 Helenah; Always something wrong one way or another :D
05:34 Helenah; But there you go... :/
05:35 Helenah; Apparently it's 18C, starstreak
05:35 TR News; iophk: that is what russia/murdoch/billbc media are trying to bury https://news.err.ee/1608693049/sanna-marin-the-baltics-should-have-been-heeded-over-russia
05:35 TR Bot; Sanna Marin: The Baltics should have been heeded over Russia | News | ERR
05:35 Helenah; Even at 13C I'm sweating
05:37 Helenah; She also pointed out that I won't wear winter clothes and that even in winter time I'll wear summer clothes. LOL :D
05:37 Helenah; Well cause it's fuckin hot!
05:37 Helenah; If it's hot then I'm gonna wear something appropriate for that, no?
05:37 Helenah; One thing you will notice with my selfies is I'm never in anything like sweaters and stuff.
05:37 Helenah; Never in a coat
05:38 Helenah; If it rains hard I'm like "Don't care if I got hardly anything on, I'm lovely the cool down on my body!"
05:38 DaemonFC; "In other words, in only one type of criminal case in Indiana was it permissible to prejudice the jury against the defendant. Acts of "normal" sexual intercourse, including rape, would be shielded from the jurys knowledge."
05:38 DaemonFC; The Indiana Supreme Court declared "rape" to be "normal" sexual intercourse and you couldn't bring that up to taint a jury in a sexual deviancy case.
05:39 DaemonFC; Yeah, that sounds like Indiana.
05:39 TR News; DuckDuckGo = Microsoft. More people finally "get" it... https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxExperiment:e/bye-duck-duck-go,-here's-my-new-search:8 http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
05:39 TR Bot; BYE DUCK DUCK GO, here's my new search engine! Private Alternatives to Google
05:39 TR Bot; DuckDuckGo - Techrights
05:39 Helenah; Rape was probably a natural thing in past times that was normal but we live in the 21st century, even in the 20th century rape was considered wrong, we are not cave people rather we are a society, a civilisation.
05:40 TR News; The sportswashing of state terrorism https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/golf-and-saudi-arabia-a-filthy-cycle-of-sportswashing_partner/
05:40 TR Bot; golf and Saudi Arabia: A filthy cycle of "sportswashing" | Salon.com
05:40 Helenah; Or should I say the behaviour of forcing yourself onto someone else for sex to reproduce, it's classified as rape today but humans probably did all that back then
05:40 starstreak; it gets cold at night lately
05:41 Helenah; I mean I once saw a cat dive on a female cat LITERALLY DIVED
05:41 Helenah; It was like... if those two weren't cats but were human... lol
05:41 Helenah; One of em would be getting done for rape :D
05:41 Helenah; Honestly, I saw the look on the female cat's face, it was like "What's going on here? I'm pegged down!", it wasn't happy, I could see that cat was not happy!
05:42 starstreak; :(
05:42 Helenah; And the male was like "Gotta do it as quick as possible! HUMP HUMP HUMP HUMP"
05:42 Helenah; see?
05:42 TR News; Reform or Recalibrate ISDS? - Lexology https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=5086be87-a1d0-405f-b23f-449e1e92cb62 Source: Lexology | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=5086be87-a1d0-405f-b23f-449e1e92cb62
05:42 TR Bot; or Recalibrate ISDS? - Lexology
05:42 Helenah; Why would humans not have done that? :D
05:42 Helenah; I bet they did...
05:42 schestowitz[TR]; the tribes frowned upon it
05:42 schestowitz[TR]; humkans live in groups
05:43 schestowitz[TR]; cats do too
05:43 schestowitz[TR]; some of themkm anyway
05:43 Helenah; Wait so...
05:43 Helenah; humans ALWAYS frown upon... forced sex?
05:43 Helenah; ALWAYS?!
05:43 schestowitz[TR]; the tribe would retaliate
05:43 heureka; Bonobos aren't felines
05:43 Helenah; And what about before homo sapiens, schestowitz[TR] ?
05:43 Helenah; homo erectus for example
05:44 Helenah; or earlier
05:44 schestowitz[TR]; outside my field of expertise to be honest, AND
05:44 schestowitz[TR]; if studied bya scholar
05:44 schestowitz[TR]; it would be taboo area
05:44 schestowitz[TR]; for academia
05:44 schestowitz[TR]; like if a scholar said, trape used to be OK
05:44 schestowitz[TR]; or race "science"
05:44 Helenah; So they would be censorshiped basically on merely saying what could be fact?
05:45 schestowitz[TR]; yes
05:45 TR News; Fish Shell Tips and Tricks (Can Your Shell Do This?) https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/fish-shell-tips-and-tricks-(can-your:d
05:45 Helenah; :/
05:45 Helenah; That's crazy...
05:45 schestowitz[TR]; that's where we are
05:45 Helenah; it's a harmless little thing said!!!
05:45 Helenah; What's wrong with people?!
05:45 schestowitz[TR]; there are manu factual things people cannot say anymore
05:45 schestowitz[TR]; or think twice
05:45 schestowitz[TR]; or word it cleverely
05:45 schestowitz[TR]; oor apologise upfront
05:46 schestowitz[TR]; btw
05:46 schestowitz[TR]; this is deliberate
05:46 schestowitz[TR]; intentional
05:46 schestowitz[TR]; culture creep
05:46 Helenah; Apparently forced sex regardless is classified as rape I just found out
05:46 schestowitz[TR]; it weaponises masses into mass control lobs
05:46 Helenah; even if it involves two cats or whatever...
05:46 Helenah; meaning that tom cat raped that female cat
05:47 Helenah; And I read it can be dangerous... o.O
05:47 schestowitz[TR]; and then you usually end up incapable of saying things that threaten certain powerful interests
05:47 Helenah; "It's actually quite dangerous for male cats to attempt rape, especially in the wild where they need to be fit to hunt in order to survive."
05:47 Helenah; And I read other things that female cats can't willingly have sex.
05:47 DaemonFC; The Indiana Supreme Court has had some unorthodox opinions.
05:47 schestowitz[TR]; it turnes coeity into enforcer agaoinst itself
05:47 schestowitz[TR]; *society
05:48 schestowitz[TR]; the collective accountability/responsibility way
05:48 DaemonFC; Your bedroom becomes "a public place" if a thief breaks into your home and witnesses you having sex.
05:48 DaemonFC; Therefore, sex in your bedroom becomes a public place, therefore illegal.
05:48 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I once expressed support towards Edward Snowden while I was in college because if I remember that's when he ended up stuck in that embassy.
05:48 schestowitz[TR]; ?
05:48 DaemonFC; Better make sure those curtains are closed and the door is locked.
05:48 schestowitz[TR]; embassy?
05:49 Helenah; Yeah
05:49 Helenah; Swedish embassy in the UK
05:49 schestowitz[TR]; haha
05:49 Helenah; He was stuck inside it for YEARS
05:49 schestowitz[TR]; no.
05:49 Helenah; So yeah anyway...
05:49 schestowitz[TR]; you mixed up many things
05:49 Helenah; ah
05:49 Helenah; I expessed my support
05:49 Helenah; Next thing...
05:49 schestowitz[TR]; sweden = smear ampaign
05:49 schestowitz[TR]; uk = assanmge
05:49 Helenah; the teachers, the students, ALL GANGED ON ME
05:49 Helenah; in one go!
05:49 schestowitz[TR]; snowden was never in the uk afaika
05:49 Helenah; And I was like WTF
05:49 schestowitz[TR]; nad assange never in the us
05:49 schestowitz[TR]; he claims
05:50 schestowitz[TR]; ecuador is the embassy you think of
05:50 Helenah; oh
05:50 schestowitz[TR]; edward snowden was stuck in an airport in mocow
05:50 schestowitz[TR]; after he had hidden in hong kong
05:50 Helenah; So they all was shouting at me saying I'm wrong for supporting the theft of classified documents.
05:50 Helenah; Really laid into me
05:50 Helenah; I felt like I'd done something seriously wrong! o.O
05:51 Helenah; I simply said a sentence...
05:51 schestowitz[TR]; assange stole nothiong
05:51 schestowitz[TR]; he published stuff sent to him
05:51 Helenah; I know
05:51 Helenah; Tell that to a brainwashed college... lol
05:51 schestowitz[TR]; he did a service to the whisleblower
05:51 Helenah; The WHOLE college... BRAIN WASHED
05:52 Helenah; class of 13 students, "LETS ALL HAVE A GO AT HELENA FOR WHAT SHE SAID", two teachers joined in...
05:52 TR News; "No Criminalization of Defamation" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/indonesias-new-draft-criminal-code-cracks-down-political-dissent | Source: EFF
05:52 TR Bot; Indonesias New Draft Criminal Code Restrains Political Dissent | Electronic Frontier Foundation
05:52 Helenah; Then the staffroom had a word with me
05:52 heureka; Assange made a mistake: wikileaks had NOT required a "VIP" such as him
05:52 Helenah; Then the damn college principle had a word with me
05:52 Helenah; Why did they do that to me?!
05:52 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Yes
05:52 Helenah; he did
05:52 TR News; "Lopez filed suit on Tuesday, claiming that Pandora streamed two of his comedy albums" https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318930/george-lopez-comedian-sues-pandora-siriusxm-lewis-black-spotify | Source: The Verge
05:52 TR Bot; George Lopez is the latest comedian to sue Pandora for unpaid royalties - The Verge
05:52 heureka; for example, "dark net" and similar, everyone knows it exists, doesn't require any prominence either, to find it
05:53 TR News; GulagTube https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-fires-back-in-content-id-lawsuit-haunted-by-fraud-allegations-220823/ | Source: Torrent Freak
05:53 TR Bot; Fires Back in Content ID Lawsuit Haunted By Fraud Allegations * TorrentFreak
05:53 Helenah; I had a video recording
05:53 Helenah; Which the college
05:53 Helenah; locked me in a room
05:53 heureka; Assange wanted to be the big VIP poser;
05:53 Helenah; and forced me to de-publicise it from the internet...
05:53 Helenah; and then they said "And delete it from your student network drive too" and I was like "WTF you literally rummaged through EVERYTHING!"
05:54 Helenah; I never disclosed it being on there, they randomly and silently checked the drive...
05:54 Helenah; Said it was in "a log report" hold on a minute...
05:54 Helenah; a college with hundreds of students.. you can't possibly monitor them all, they were looking at me specifically...
05:56 Helenah; My gf says "The college had it in for you and wanted rid of you"
05:56 Helenah; Because they later on said they got another log report
05:57 TR News; "Here's a fast-paced tour of Android version highlights from the platform's birth to present" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3235946/android-versions-a-living-history-from-1-0-to-today.html | Source: Computer World
05:57 TR Bot; versions: A living history from 1.0 to 13 | Computerworld
05:57 Helenah; where I was putting executable files onto my network drive, executable files that do "malicious stuff to the college infrastructure" apparently... LOL
05:57 Helenah; That day... they got rid of me...
05:57 TR News; ">SQLite only comes with these few core functions. A few JSON functions have recently become builtin too" https://datastation.multiprocess.io/blog/2022-08-21-sqlite-limited-builtin-functions.html | Source: Data Station
05:57 TR Bot; SQLite has pretty limited builtin functions
05:57 Helenah; and they SHOUTED at me, as per usual, shout at Helenah automatically, don't find out if she is right or wrong first no, should at her, make her sensory processing disorder a nightmare for her...
05:58 TR News; "Video recordings from BSDCan 2022 are now available." https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220823153925 | Source: Undeadly
05:58 TR Bot; BSDCan 2022 videos are available
05:58 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: sounds like abuse
05:58 Helenah; I was "hacking"
05:58 Helenah; But because they told me they wanted me to
05:58 Helenah; to help them secure their setup
05:58 schestowitz[TR]; they did to you what those 3 rapists had done
05:59 Helenah; I broke into their servers too, gained admin shell access
05:59 starstreak; lol i had sub7 on my network drive in high school
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; but without the physical contact
05:59 Helenah; it wasn't hard
05:59 Helenah; Stupid Windows
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 9.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 88.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 102.85
05:59 Helenah; how this be soo friggin EASY?!
05:59 TR News; "Federal Judge J. Philip Calabrese sided with Ogletree yesterday, determining that the universitys room scan did constitute an unreasonable search" https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318067/cleveland-state-university-online-proctoring-decision-room-scan | Source: The Verge
05:59 TR Bot; University cant scan students rooms during remote tests, judge rules - The Verge
05:59 Helenah; Systems are supposed to have a little security at the very least...
05:59 Helenah; So they go around patching the systems...
05:59 Helenah; Then I exploit more vulnerabilities
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; it's not designed to be securew
05:59 Helenah; I gained control over every client workstation in the college
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; it's design for control
06:00 schestowitz[TR]; for some to control others
06:00 schestowitz[TR]; not security
06:00 Helenah; And er... the college freaked out cause everyones cursor was moving
06:00 Helenah; and that was me
06:00 Helenah; AB Tutor Control
06:00 Helenah; used to monitor student systems, watch their screens, lock their screens, control the computer, etc, etc
06:01 TR News; Health https://news.err.ee/1608692812/regulatory-amendment-to-allow-farmers-to-grow-higher-thc-cannabis-crops | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling
06:01 TR Bot; Regulatory amendment to allow farmers to grow higher THC cannabis crops | News | ERR
06:01 Helenah; I could make the library kiosks log into an admin shell by pulling the cable out during login process.
06:01 Helenah; It would fail and throw me into an admin shell.
06:01 Helenah; Another way I could do that was via a process kill on my OWN user!
06:01 Helenah; o.O
06:01 Helenah; They went around and patched it
06:02 TR News; MinceR happy at last? https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318736/apple-macbook-part-prices-self-service-repair-program | Source: The Verge
06:02 TR Bot; Heres how much Apple charges for every part to fix your own MacBook - The Verge
06:02 Helenah; But do I get the attention and thank you for it?
06:02 Helenah; Nope, I get a huge big fat GTFO
06:02 Helenah; Next time, this is getting done under a legal contract...
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06:02 Helenah; I will FORCE them to back up their infrastructure before I will even touch it and make sure no students and staff are working during the process
06:03 Helenah; Apparently the kiosk system was wrote in "Delphi", WTF!
06:04 Helenah; Delphi in 2010s?!
06:04 Helenah; o.O
06:04 Helenah; Eh?
06:04 starstreak; oh wow delphi in 2010s
06:04 starstreak; thats crazy
06:04 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I was promised a pentesting apprenticeship in return.
06:05 Helenah; and I opted for that opportunity over the IT course I chose cause it was the only thing on the table...
06:05 Helenah; Windows Technician stuff, I'm a GNU/Linux fuckin user not a Windows user!
06:05 Helenah; I have been since 2005
06:05 starstreak; i ran gentoo back in 2003
06:06 Helenah; The day they kicked me out
06:06 Helenah; They said I'm "screwed for life"
06:06 starstreak; oh wait, 2004
06:06 DaemonFC; Heh, Indiana tried to pass a bill to put people with HIV/AIDS on a publicly available list (in 1984).
06:06 Helenah; and will never be able to go into education again.
06:06 Helenah; It was a crock of shit fed to me...
06:06 Helenah; This does not prevent you from going back into education.
06:06 DaemonFC; The same bill would have forced every hospital to test for HIV with all patients being admitted, and for people to undergo an HIV test before getting a marriage license.
06:06 Helenah; Why? Because I signed up for a mathematics course at another college
06:07 Helenah; who they apparently "Report student behaviour to"
06:07 Helenah; So if such reporting is true then why did they take me on?
06:07 Helenah; And why did they not mention it?
06:08 Helenah; Maybe they got sick of nannying me too, I didn't ask for it, they offered it me, because I have this cancer, they contacted the exam board to get me some allowances, what I received was I was permitted to walk out of the exam room whenever I wented if I felt I needed a break, I got 5 minutes each time I walked out.
06:08 DaemonFC; It's dangerous to "do" anything anymore.
06:09 DaemonFC; Once you visit a Web page or go somewhere, your phone or some scripts running in your Web browser put it on your "permanent record".
06:09 DaemonFC; Along with every Google search you've ever made.
06:09 Helenah; I didn't even need to ask to walk out, they said "Just silently walk out and come back in"
06:09 Helenah; permanent record?
06:10 Helenah; I doubt that...
06:10 Helenah; Doesn't sound possible...
06:10 Helenah; I could be anyone
06:10 Helenah; I could be Helena, Zoe, Ivee
06:10 Helenah; Yes my real names
06:10 Helenah; okies
06:10 Helenah; right
06:10 Helenah; yeah
06:10 DaemonFC; mjg59_, JavaShit is "secure".
06:10 DaemonFC; It's not even secure in the way he means it.
06:10 Helenah; I told someone about this in another channel, my 3 full names.
06:10 Helenah; brb
06:11 DaemonFC; That it is guaranteed not to hijack and escape your Web browser and do nasty things on your computer or to some other tab.
06:11 DaemonFC; It's not secure from an opsec point of view.
06:11 heureka; impossible to review, too much clutter, and "security" updates every few days
06:11 heureka; anyone ever git-diff those "security" updates?
06:11 DaemonFC; Just like his favorite firmware, UEFI.
06:12 Helenah; back
06:12 Helenah; You won't believe I could return soo quickly with what I did and I ain't saying.
06:12 Helenah; okies
06:12 DaemonFC; Running JavaShit at all opens you up to attacks targeting SPECTRE-like vulnerabilities.
06:13 DaemonFC; And GULAG's retpoline mitigations turned out to be inadequate as will anything else.
06:13 Helenah; Yeah cause it is executed client side but servers are feeding it data at the same time.
06:13 Helenah; Well not always
06:13 Helenah; but Javascripts tend to do too much these days
06:13 Helenah; stupid developers
06:13 Helenah; they do a load of reporting, etc.
06:15 DaemonFC; There we go. My blue Totoro shirt and my blue, black, and white camouflage pajama pants.
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06:15 Helenah; DaemonFC: Are you a boy or girl?
06:15 *DaemonFC puts on a beret and debates the finer points of overthrowing the government.
06:15 Helenah; o.o
06:15 DaemonFC; Male
06:16 Helenah; Oh
06:16 Helenah; clear cut male
06:16 Helenah; okies
06:17 Helenah; Government doesn't have to be evil but people think it's the only thing Government can be when in reality it's the people who run it.
06:18 Helenah; Which could change and get better or get worse or it might just you know fluctuate
06:18 DaemonFC; The government is evil.
06:18 DaemonFC; Pure evil.
06:18 Helenah; Like I've known times when Government was better and when it was worse
06:18 Helenah; it has fluctuated throughout my life
06:18 Helenah; It depends on the politician and party in power at the time and what they stand for
06:18 Helenah; also the cabinet too
06:19 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR] probably noticed that Bogus Johnson hasn't done a hell of a lot to help with their gas bill.
06:19 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: You got a sky high gas bill too?! o.O
06:19 Helenah; Mine went from...
06:19 Helenah; 50/month
06:19 Helenah; to
06:19 Helenah; 500/month
06:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:20 DaemonFC; Jesus Fuck!
06:20 Helenah; and I was like "How that all of a sudden?"
06:20 Helenah; I do NOT use gas!
06:20 Helenah; My stove is electric...
06:20 Helenah; My boiler is gas but rarely on...
06:20 Helenah; My shower is electric but broken, I'm minimalist, I have wash downs and no bath...
06:20 DaemonFC; People in /r/ChicagoSuburbs are complaining about their gas bills going from like $30-40 in the summer to like $100.
06:20 Helenah; So I don't even use a lot of hot water...
06:20 Helenah; and they can justify adding an extortion like that to my bill?
06:20 Helenah; Charge some greedy cunt who uses fucktons of gas...
06:21 Helenah; Not the fuckin' minimalist who uses hardly any...
06:21 Helenah; Pfft, piss take... :/
06:21 DaemonFC; Yeah, Communist Edison charges a big fat fucking "customer fee" and another big fat fucking "standard meter fee".
06:21 DaemonFC; So if you keep the air conditioner off, half your bill is the standard fee just for being hooked up to the power grid.
06:21 Helenah; I don't have AC
06:22 Helenah; I got plenty of cash
06:22 Helenah; but still...
06:22 Helenah; I'm not some greedy fat cat!
06:22 DaemonFC; I keep it on during the day.
06:22 Helenah; Charge the ones who are greedy
06:22 DaemonFC; I turn it off at night and just use a bunch of fans.
06:22 Helenah; and suck fucktons of resource out the grid with no care...
06:22 DaemonFC; I have like three fans blowing on me while I sleep.
06:22 Helenah; They'r the ones needing the extortion because they're DESTROYING THE PLANET
06:22 heureka; charge what was consumed, that's sufficiently simple and avoids most moral hazards
06:22 Helenah; I should be given nice prices for being kind to mother earth.
06:23 heureka; anyone consumes 10x as much, charge 10x as much, simple.
06:23 DaemonFC; Amazon was getting rid of a bunch of box fans.
06:23 Helenah; It isn't that simple... cause that's like saying I'm charged for what I use...
06:23 Helenah; I'm not charged for what I use...
06:23 Helenah; I'm charged WAY more than that...
06:23 Helenah; Like I said, I rarely use any gas... RARELY
06:24 Helenah; I used zero gas today, zero gas yesterday, day before that I used a tiny bit of gas, just a lil water in a sink worth.
06:24 Helenah; My usage habits have not changed...
06:24 Helenah; heureka: ^
06:25 Helenah; I am eco-environmentally friendly, this is my principles, I am not perfectly but I try my hardest.
06:26 heureka; ^ with a gas bill of 500/month
06:26 Helenah; Yeah, the amount the company claims I should be paying...
06:27 DaemonFC; https://www.poz.com/article/large-proportion-men-monkeypox-living-hiv
06:27 TR Bot; Large Proportion of Men with Monkeypox Are Living With HIV - POZ
06:27 DaemonFC; "Around 40% of people with monkeypox are living with HIV, but the proportion can be substantially higher in some areas, according to recent reports on the ongoing global outbreak."
06:27 Helenah; heureka: You don't believe me, do you? :/
06:27 Helenah; Each to their own, I say...
06:27 DaemonFC; Yeah, why stop there?
06:27 Helenah; What I hate is how they blame gay people...
06:27 Helenah; Come on...
06:27 Helenah; you have sex with someone who has a disease you gonna get it...
06:28 Helenah; It isn't about ones sexuality or their sex...
06:28 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR] pointed out it's a distraction.
06:28 DaemonFC; An otherwise healthy person who gets Monkeypox will just have a really bad month and then recover.
06:28 DaemonFC; And if you don't have sex with that person, you won't get it.
06:28 DaemonFC; But the media is panicking people so they won't think about unemployment, national debt, hyperinflation.
06:29 Helenah; Fuck employment, that ain't for me...
06:29 Helenah; self-employment is more for me.
06:29 Helenah; I have never been employed.
06:29 DaemonFC; I have not had a single structured day since 2007.
06:30 Helenah; DaemonFC: Welfare?
06:30 DaemonFC; Well, I'll give you a hint.
06:31 starstreak; this channel is a lot cleaner without daemon's trash
06:31 DaemonFC; Roy says they don't give a fuck about me. That's the truth.
06:31 DaemonFC; The feeling's mutual though.
06:31 Helenah; starstreak: lol
06:31 DaemonFC; Other than that I hate them and I want them all to die.
06:31 Helenah; Who the hell is Roy? o.O
06:31 DaemonFC; In a vague sense.
06:32 DaemonFC; <Helenah> Who the hell is Roy? o.O
06:32 DaemonFC; schestowitz
06:32 Helenah; Who?
06:32 heureka; Helenah: believe what?
06:32 Helenah; heureka: When I say I use hardly any gas.
06:33 DaemonFC; The UK is at the mercy of Vladimir V. Putin on the gas situation.
06:33 starstreak; Helenah, schestowitz[TR] is Roy
06:33 heureka; for 500Pound/month?
06:33 DaemonFC; Proving how stupid their government really is.
06:33 Helenah; DaemonFC: Right I'm paying an engineer to cap my gas mains in a bit.
06:34 Helenah; I don't want it...
06:34 Helenah; I do not want this gas...
06:34 Helenah; No...
06:34 Helenah; starstreak: Oh
06:34 heureka; how many kWh are those 500Pound? 5000kWh/month?
06:35 Helenah; heureka: The bill is in my gf's name... and I will be having a word with her about putting a cap on the gas mains.
06:35 Helenah; I wash my body at the sink twice a week
06:35 Helenah; That's how I wash
06:35 Helenah; It uses gas
06:35 Helenah; but it's a little bit of water in a sink
06:36 Helenah; As for my kitchen... well... yeah I wash pots but more often than not, I use cold water because things tend to not be that mucky and therefore dead easy to clean with a lil soap and a lil cold water...
06:36 Helenah; So I'm charged... 500/month just to have hot water to wash myself...
06:36 Helenah; It's stupid...
06:37 Helenah; I don't even pay that for a lil bit of water...
06:37 Helenah; I would rather wash with freezing water...
06:37 Helenah; I got plenty of money but I'm in protest...
06:37 Helenah; Because I don't believe this is fair...
06:37 Helenah; I don't believe this is the price of gas...
06:38 Helenah; But yeah capitalists don't like minimalists, charge the minimalist who cares about the environment the extortion so the rich elite can have gas for the price of pennies.
06:39 starstreak; 1 vCore CPU, 1 GB RAM, 20 GB SSD, $3/month CAD <-- Good deal?
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06:39 Helenah; "We don't like minimalists, they won't support are gas and electricity which earns us cash so we'll make the person who uses pennies worth of gas per week pay 500/month"
06:39 Helenah; I AM GETTING REALLY ANGRY
06:39 Helenah; I might need to leave...
06:39 Helenah; and calm down, this isn't fair on your guys.
06:40 Helenah; My anger is justified, the gas board wants to rob me.... over-charge me gas...
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06:45 Helenah; I've calmed down.
06:49 DaemonFC; That was fast.
06:52 Helenah; DaemonFC: A lot of people have to be told but me? I'm self-controlling.
06:52 Helenah; I jumped on it early...
06:53 Helenah; What I mean is...
06:53 Helenah; In IRC channels when people get firey, they most likely keep getting more firey and never come down and so some op has to intervene.
06:53 Helenah; I would rather take responsibility for my own actions and not be told beforehand.
06:54 Helenah; And saying this, we should probably go back onto tech maybe I'm not sure, is this a quasi-social channel?
06:55 starstreak; im shopping for vpses
06:55 starstreak; 1 vCore CPU, 1 GB RAM, 20 GB SSD, $3/month CAD <-- Good deal?
06:56 heureka; starstreak: missing info, data-volume, such as GiB/month
06:57 starstreak; it doesnt say :(
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06:59 Helenah; Not all VPS providers do charge GiB/month
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 85.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 84.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 92.85
06:59 Helenah; not from what I've seen
06:59 heureka; sure, $3/month is cheap; more info missing: DNS record included?
06:59 heureka; often that's some extra free.
06:59 heureka; then costs sum up quickly.
06:59 Helenah; Yeah $3/month is cheaper than Digital Ocean and Vultr.
07:00 Helenah; With them it would be $5/month
07:00 Helenah; I got an hypervisor.
07:00 Helenah; I offer services to my disadvantaged friends. <3
07:00 Helenah; and not just to myself
07:00 Helenah; You see?
07:01 Helenah; I help people, I give them things if I can.
07:01 starstreak; :)
07:01 Helenah; They get access to a VPS panel and everything. :3
07:01 Helenah; So they never have to bother me for things :D
07:01 starstreak; have you ever used cjdns?
07:01 Helenah; No
07:01 Helenah; I heard of it though!
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07:02 Helenah; the name that is
07:02 starstreak; https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns
07:02 TR Bot; - cjdelisle/cjdns: An encrypted IPv6 network using public-key cryptography for address allocation and a distributed hash table for routing.
07:02 Helenah; And for anyone who wants to look at my cute girly nails while I look at this github page. :3 https://i.imgur.com/6qxQIhd.jpg
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07:03 starstreak; nice!
07:03 starstreak; i need to do my nails again
07:03 starstreak; during the christmas season i did them red and green like christmas
07:05 Helenah; Interesting. :3
07:05 Helenah; starstreak: :D
07:05 Helenah; :
07:05 Helenah; :3 <3
07:05 Helenah; Get any pics?
07:06 Helenah; I hope you didn't mind me asking that. o.o
07:07 starstreak; of my christmas nails? nah
07:08 Helenah; Oh
07:08 Helenah; :3
07:09 starstreak; i just dm'd you a photo
07:10 starstreak; glitter nails: https://i.imgur.com/oJWkThI.jpg
07:11 Helenah; Oh wow nice!
07:11 Helenah; I'm jealous of your big nails! o.o
07:11 Helenah; Loads of area for a coat! :D
07:12 Helenah; They look like the width of my gf's and my mothers :3
07:12 starstreak; im quite good at it
07:12 Helenah; My hands are smaller than my mothers and so are my erm...
07:12 Helenah; What was I saying now?
07:12 Helenah; Yeah my head yes are smaller than hers :D
07:13 Helenah; Like my gf says "Your mother has big hands like mine but yours are really tiny"
07:13 Helenah; Even my dad has big hands, bigger hands than my mother.
07:13 starstreak; ok so when i was suffering from psychosis, i thought the police were after me
07:13 starstreak; so i did this: https://i.imgur.com/ZeRI0Ay.jpg
07:13 starstreak; trying to appease them
07:13 starstreak; lol
07:14 Helenah; o.o
07:14 Helenah; Oh dear
07:14 Helenah; How are you now though?
07:14 starstreak; im good now
07:14 starstreak; im on anti psychotics
07:15 starstreak; my favourite is this clear glitter nail polish i can use on top of any colour
07:15 starstreak; im surprised i dont have a picture of christmas nails :(
07:16 Helenah; Phew! :3
07:16 DaemonFC; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mT3P0YSNonE
07:17 TR Bot; Can the economy grow forever? - Invidious
07:17 DaemonFC; Infinite economic growth is possible, if you consider "bullshit" to add to the Gross Domestic Product.
07:17 Helenah; It will probably collapse at some point, DaemonFC
07:17 Helenah; Capitalism is not sustainable if it just hikes up prices and makes the poor suffer.
07:18 DaemonFC; Most valuation of the stock market is fake and has been for some time. They value "IP" in ways that are hard for people to fathom.
07:18 Helenah; They'll come a cut off point where the world will just stop buying because it can't and so capitalism would collapse as nobody will be able to afford to sustain it any longer.
07:18 DaemonFC; <Helenah> Capitalism is not sustainable if it just hikes up prices and makes the poor suffer.
07:18 DaemonFC; That's been going on in the United States constantly since 1913.
07:18 Helenah; hmm
07:18 Helenah; Yeah but...
07:18 DaemonFC; The Federal Reserve's dual mandate is maximum employment and price stability.
07:18 Helenah; this stuff doesn't happen over night, in a year, decade, whatever
07:19 Helenah; What I'm talking about takes a LONG LONG time
07:19 Helenah; starstreak: Aww, I wanted to see those!
07:19 DaemonFC; But inflation *is* price instability and we've had such bad inflation since the Federal Reserve was enacted, that a dollar is only worth a few cents.
07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
07:20 DaemonFC; A meal costs a few dollars and keeps you alive.
07:20 starstreak; i even checked facebook
07:20 DaemonFC; A gallon of gas costs $3.95 and gets you to work and back that day.
07:20 DaemonFC; A movie ticket costs $20?
07:20 Helenah; A mean costs a few dollars?! o.O
07:20 Helenah; Dafuq?!
07:21 Helenah; How?!
07:21 starstreak; unfortunately i go in to facebook every week and delete all my posts, comments and reacts
07:21 DaemonFC; If you do things right, it can.
07:21 Helenah; DaemonFC: A bottle of milk costs me a few dollars...
07:21 DaemonFC; A gallon of milk costs about $3.
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07:21 starstreak; lol i still have him on ignore
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07:22 DaemonFC; I remember in 1990 or so.
07:22 DaemonFC; Supermarkets, actual supermarkets. Local ones.
07:22 DaemonFC; They'd sell you a gallon of milk for 89 cents maybe?
07:23 Helenah; Cheaper than I thought...
07:23 Helenah; 1.71 USD for 4 pints of whole milk.
07:23 DaemonFC; A dozen eggs back then was like 59 cents.
07:23 DaemonFC; Now you can barely get two eggs for that.
07:23 Helenah; Well it's almost a few...
07:23 starstreak; i think its almost $5 CAD for 4L milk
07:23 starstreak; in Canada
07:24 Helenah; I can get 6 eggs for 1.18 USD, DaemonFC
07:24 DaemonFC; A loaf of name brand bread was about 79 cents. Now I'm paying over $3 for the same quality.
07:24 DaemonFC; Things have gotten pretty bad.
07:24 starstreak; $3.59 CAD for 12 eggs
07:24 DaemonFC; And mostly in the last two years.
07:25 DaemonFC; You add it all up, I'm paying $600 a month to feed two people.
07:25 DaemonFC; In 2020, I was only paying $400 and we were eating at least as well as this.
07:26 Helenah; Spagetti Bolognese: 4.95 USD
07:26 starstreak; these days I just use facebook for the memes
07:26 DaemonFC; I like using my slow cooker.
07:26 starstreak; there is this badass facebook group called "If you go far enough left you get your guns back"
07:27 DaemonFC; You've got some meat, some vegetables. Whip up a sauce for it and it's dinner!
07:27 DaemonFC; People in the 70s were just....different than they are now. Hell, the 90s. I mean, you had food on the table and it was decent you were happy.
07:28 starstreak; https://i.imgur.com/oqFD4Nu.jpg
07:28 DaemonFC; Now people are all like "This isn't vegan and organic and there's chemicals!" and it's like, "Dude, it's fucking Burger King. They have fries and burgers!".
07:28 DaemonFC; Nobody makes you go in there.
07:28 DaemonFC; Go home and juice something. We'll both be happy.
07:28 Helenah; Petrol: 7.620 USD per Gallon DaemonFC
07:29 Helenah; You Americans trash the planet...
07:29 DaemonFC; These are what the anti-smoking people are up to these days.
07:29 Helenah; Why are you selling fossil fuels soo cheap?!
07:29 DaemonFC; <Helenah> Why are you selling fossil fuels soo cheap?!
07:29 DaemonFC; Because we're not totally insane.
07:29 Helenah; Wait?
07:29 DaemonFC; And we like to have some standard of living.
07:29 Helenah; What?
07:29 Helenah; Yeah so do I but...
07:29 Helenah; Petrol is not a requirement for that.
07:29 DaemonFC; We haven't been brainwashed by people who fly around in private jets by themselves, like you people have.
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07:30 Helenah; Humans are greedy, selfish, they try justifying lots of travel as a need
07:30 Helenah; when it isn't
07:30 DaemonFC; Who say "climate change is so bad....but not bad enough to get rid of the jet!".
07:30 Helenah; DaemonFC: I think the jet should go too...
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07:30 Helenah; Just we were talking about petrol...
07:30 Helenah; which is bad also...
07:30 DaemonFC; You guys are literally panicking based on what Bill Gates says in the Billshit section of the BillBC.
07:30 Helenah; I don't know what he said...
07:31 DaemonFC; The guy eats hamburgers, tells you to eat locusts.
07:31 DaemonFC; The guy flies on private jets to private islands where he can fuck 12 year old girls in private.
07:31 Helenah; He fucks 12 year old girls?
07:31 Helenah; o.o
07:31 Helenah; Also...
07:31 DaemonFC; (Epstein)
07:31 DaemonFC; (Lolita Express)
07:32 Helenah; What does this guy have to do with bill gates?!
07:32 Helenah; You're dwindling lol
07:32 Helenah; You mention bill gates then...
07:32 Helenah; send me a link to some random man...
07:32 Helenah; name sorry
07:32 DaemonFC; Bill was trying to buy a Nobel Prize by way of his ties to Epstein.
07:32 Helenah; Ah
07:32 DaemonFC; Bill Gates controls a lot of what people read and listen to.
07:32 DaemonFC; He corrupts the media.
07:33 DaemonFC; I'll take climate change more seriously when rich people give up their jets.
07:33 DaemonFC; And move into an efficiency apartment.
07:33 Helenah; So...
07:33 DaemonFC; And turn the air conditioner to 86 degrees.
07:33 Helenah; You think two wrongs make a right?
07:33 Helenah; What's wrong with you?
07:33 Helenah; How can you go and not care about the environment because other people don't?
07:33 DaemonFC; It's propraganda.
07:33 Helenah; No...climate change is not propaganda... it's real...
07:33 starstreak; Helenah, hes insane
07:33 DaemonFC; I've seen your old weather maps.
07:34 Helenah; Part of it happens naturally
07:34 Helenah; but humans are accelerating it
07:34 Helenah; DaemonFC: I don't have any weather maps...
07:34 DaemonFC; The only thing that's different today is that they take the same temperatures and put angry fire engine red all over the UK.
07:34 Helenah; So I don't know what you are talking about...
07:34 DaemonFC; And tell you to lose your shit over the same temperatures from 20 years ago when there was a nice "sunny day" icon on the TV.
07:34 starstreak; Helenah, he likes to make up facts to support his opinions
07:34 Helenah; hmm
07:35 starstreak; I pointed out to him the other day that anti abortion is just white supremacy. Most abortions are by white people and they want to shut it down to increase the population without immigration.
07:35 starstreak; He tried saying black people get the most abortions and I proved him wrong with data
07:36 DaemonFC; In 2012 in Indiana there was a heat wave. I think it was 2012 anyway. The reservoir dried up that summer, there wasn't much rain. There was a string of 115-ish degree days.
07:36 DaemonFC; They're on the news going climate change! Climate change!!!!!! Soylent Green is made of PEEEEEEEOPLE!!!!!
07:36 starstreak; he ignored the data and posted a wall of text
07:36 DaemonFC; And then you look at the history of heat waves, and Indiana had one just as bad in the 1950s.
07:37 Helenah; Why do you keep going on about the media?!
07:37 Helenah; I've been alive for 28 years
07:37 Helenah; I can feel the summers and winters getting warmer
07:37 DaemonFC; Because the only reason people even know it's happening is because the media is screaming about it.
07:37 Helenah; I don't need a damn news reporter to tell me this when I can experience it...
07:38 DaemonFC; It's even dumber than the wall to wall COVID.
07:38 DaemonFC; That's nice. I've been alove for over 38 years.
07:38 Helenah; You think covid is fake?
07:38 DaemonFC; And it's about the same now as it ever was.
07:38 starstreak; he is a republican btw
07:39 DaemonFC; <Helenah> You think covid is fake?
07:39 Helenah; Ahah, you claim to have been alive for 38 years and yet you argue the climate has not changed at all?!
07:39 Helenah; DaemonFC: I've had it...
07:39 DaemonFC; No, my mom and my brother had it and neither one are in great shape.
07:39 Helenah; I haven't had a common cold or flu since I was a little child...
07:39 DaemonFC; She's 65 and he's fat.
07:39 DaemonFC; Really fat.
07:39 Helenah; my immune system is very good
07:39 Helenah; And then comes... this year
07:39 Helenah; and BAM I'm hit by something I've never felt before
07:39 Helenah; that has cold and flu like symptoms
07:39 Helenah; It's fuckin real!
07:40 DaemonFC; Ehh, it was like a flu she told me.
07:40 DaemonFC; With the pills it was like a mild case of the flu.
07:40 Helenah; I took nothing for it
07:40 Helenah; Was over it in only 2 days
07:40 DaemonFC; I think people just need to quit with the excess worry.
07:40 Helenah; I am not worrying dude...
07:40 Helenah; I am merely conversing
07:40 starstreak; lol you know what really grinds my gears?
07:40 DaemonFC; There's treatments for it. Some cause for alarm when there was nothing to do about it.
07:40 Helenah; And merely stating the fact that I had covid-19
07:41 Helenah; That isn't worry...
07:41 Helenah; That's just throwing fact onto the table...
07:41 Helenah; starstreak: What's that?
07:41 starstreak; DaemonFC can sit in this channel being racist, transphobic and spreading disinformation about covid and climate change but when I start talking about reptilians, Roy says I make the channel look bad
07:41 DaemonFC; When we were vaccinated, only about 4% of the people in this state were.
07:41 DaemonFC; I figured out how to jump the line and get vaccinated while they were still doing the old people.
07:41 Helenah; starstreak: Wow WTF
07:42 starstreak; yeah lol
07:42 Helenah; One rule for a man (DaemonFC for example) and another rule for a woman...
07:42 starstreak; *I* make the channel look bad compared to the shit daemonfc does every day
07:42 Helenah; I wonder which of my topics he'll fall against? :D
07:42 Helenah; I just seem to detect some misogyny.
07:42 starstreak; i wouldn't be surprised if daemonfc hates women too
07:42 DaemonFC; I don't hate women.
07:43 Helenah; But you hate trans women who are women?
07:43 DaemonFC; If I said, "I really hate that particular person!" and that person is a woman.... Would it be fair to say I hate "women"?
07:44 Helenah; DaemonFC: Did they go to a gender psychologist?
07:44 Helenah; gender psychiatrist even
07:44 Helenah; Cause like...
07:44 Helenah; Maybe if they just...
07:44 DaemonFC; What I said is I really don't like Keith. I said I think what he did to his wife and especially his two young girls was abhorrent and worthy of the most extreme contempt. That no psychiatrist agreed he was actually transgender, and that the only reason he got the surgery was because he went to Canada with money.
07:44 Helenah; tossed themselves throug treatments as fast as possible...
07:44 Helenah; with no thought what so ever...
07:45 starstreak; one day someone is going to sue Roy for the shit that DaemonFC says and he will wish he had an enforced CoC
07:45 Helenah; then that might have drove them crazy... but hey I don't know cause I don't know them...
07:45 DaemonFC; I also said he had a lot of nerve crashing a funeral that nobody invited him to, that my Aunt would have asked him not to be at could she have spoken (it was her funeral), and that I think he's a wretch for doing that.
07:46 Helenah; Funerals are public events dude..
07:46 Helenah; They're not by invite...
07:46 DaemonFC; No, they are private.
07:46 Helenah; Wow you lay the law down like my grandma!
07:46 Helenah; Not here they aren't...
07:46 Helenah; They're public events, anyone can go to any funeral...
07:46 DaemonFC; My cousins could have kicked him out and didn't. I guess that's their decision at that point.
07:46 DaemonFC; But they don't like him.
07:47 Helenah; Like my er...
07:47 Helenah; gf
07:47 Helenah; who has schizophrenia
07:47 Helenah; she went crazy herself, you know?
07:47 Helenah; She turned to the church during a psychosis
07:47 starstreak; i feel bad for the trans woman who can't be part of her family anymore because shes trans (according to Daemon)
07:47 Helenah; and delusions and stuff
07:47 Helenah; and erm...
07:47 Helenah; She was like working for them lol
07:47 DaemonFC; <starstreak> i feel bad for the trans woman who can't be part of her family anymore because shes trans (according to Daemon)
07:47 Helenah; And she sat in every funeral
07:47 DaemonFC; He turned his back on his children.
07:47 Helenah; EVERY FUNERAL she sat in
07:48 Helenah; people she didn't know
07:48 DaemonFC; Now they don't want anything to do with him.
07:48 DaemonFC; At least if I did ever get a woman pregnant I'd stay around and help raise the kid even if it meant what I wanted to do was over.
07:48 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, a lot of people have no decency anymore.
07:49 DaemonFC; A lot of people love their children even if raising them is difficult, inconvenient, or annoying sometimes. And even if it's stressing them out and literally sucking their life out.
07:50 DaemonFC; But others just bolt and leave their ex-wife to do it alone.
07:50 DaemonFC; Why am I the only one who thinks Keith did something wrong here?
07:51 Helenah; So do you think someone wakes up one morning and thinks "Hey I'm gonna be a woman, go clothes shopping put a frock, some high heels and go being a diva in the streets"?
07:51 DaemonFC; The media has portrayed single-parent households too well. It
07:51 DaemonFC; *It's undesirable, socially.
07:52 DaemonFC; <Helenah> So do you think someone wakes up one morning and thinks "Hey I'm gonna be a woman, go clothes shopping put a frock, some high heels and go being a diva in the streets"?
07:52 DaemonFC; According to starstreak he would have known before he even married her, much less got her pregnant 8 years later.
07:53 Helenah; The reason I said that is because you seem to portray complicated matters that you do not understand as being simple in order to suit yourself.
07:53 Helenah; It is well known, I researched it...
07:53 DaemonFC; It was pretty simple.
07:54 Helenah; That trans women and trans men
07:54 Helenah; go through a LOT of life mistakes, and wrong paths before they come out...
07:54 DaemonFC; It was even simpler back in those days.
07:54 Helenah; Maybe if you actually did you research you would find the same things...
07:54 DaemonFC; I would have had a stroke if one of my parents did that.
07:54 Helenah; This involved mistakenly dating and marrying the wrong people...
07:54 Helenah; and even wrongly having kids too
07:54 Helenah; mistake also
07:54 starstreak; I came out at 34, I was seperated and could have had kids
07:55 DaemonFC; It was bad enough they got divorced like a couple of selfish jerks, but at least my dad didn't go pull that shit.
07:55 DaemonFC; I don't think I could've processed that too.
07:55 Helenah; But you would rather sit here and make it seem simple and black and white "Should've known better" attitude
07:55 Helenah; If I was to stick a coin into a jar each time someone says "They should've known better, it's dead simple" I would be rich right now.
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07:55 Helenah; I'd be able to fly you to LA in a private jet...
07:56 DaemonFC; Yeah, I knew I was gay. I didn't get married, wait 8 years, get someone pregnant, and then bolt on my family to go "Well, I'm gay now!".
07:56 DaemonFC; Kind of the same thing.
07:57 Helenah; People have made people live inside themselves, deep inside themselves
07:57 Helenah; and forced them to pretend to be someone they're not
07:57 Helenah; and then when such person makes all these life mistakes...
07:57 Helenah; people like you tell them "You should've known better than to have kids", blah blah blah
07:57 Helenah; You do not understand life...
07:57 Helenah; And you do not understand other peoples lives
07:58 Helenah; and you refuse to as well
07:58 Helenah; I've sent you links before now and it appeared like you just looked right past them...
07:58 DaemonFC; I also mentioned he's a tax cheat.
07:58 DaemonFC; Which blew up in his face because he can't collect Social Security.
07:59 Helenah; And what if them pretending to be a man has caused them to make mistakes in life?
07:59 Helenah; Like I kept saying
07:59 DaemonFC; He would have been able to draw it based on my Aunt's earnings record, but they weren't married 10 years.
07:59 DaemonFC; So he can never draw Social Security.
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07:59 Helenah; You can keep throwing the shit they have apparently done in this channel
07:59 DaemonFC; Because he divorced her a few months before 10 years and cheated the IRS.....
07:59 DaemonFC; He gets what he deserves.
07:59 Helenah; It's soo easy to say "They get what they deserve"
07:59 Helenah; with anyone
08:00 Helenah; Soo easy to say that
08:00 DaemonFC; He loses millions of dollars and can find someone to take care of him when he's too old to run that body shop anymore.
08:00 Helenah; WITHOUT even
08:00 Helenah; trying
08:00 Helenah; to put yourself
08:00 Helenah; in their shoes and seeing what is going on in their mind...
08:00 Helenah; Condemn first, understand later...
08:00 starstreak; its like arguing with a brick wall right?
08:00 Helenah; How backward...
08:00 DaemonFC; It's a bitter irony that someone who ran out on his girls is now reaping this harvest.
08:00 DaemonFC; He'll have to rely on the charity of others.
08:00 Helenah; starstreak: I'm wired on adrenaline right now... I need to reach a conclusion...
08:01 Helenah; 07:00:46 DaemonFC | He'll have to rely on the charity of others.
08:01 Helenah; Yep and so do other people at times...
08:01 Helenah; Why do you think charity exists?
08:01 DaemonFC; He doesn't have any family left that cares.
08:01 Helenah; For people to donate and never take from it?
08:02 DaemonFC; If he'd paid his damned taxes or stayed and raised his family, he'd be cashign $2,500 monthly checks from Social Security now that he'll never get.
08:02 Helenah; DaemonFC: Did you know I let myself and my house go one time?
08:03 DaemonFC; He also destroyed his lungs with those fumes at his shop and can't get Medicare.
08:03 Helenah; maybe I'm a scumbag for not doing house chores for not taking care of my hygiene
08:03 Helenah; for supporting criminals due to Stockholm Syndrome
08:03 DaemonFC; You have to have work quarters for Medicare and he cheated the IRS.
08:03 Helenah; "Oh look Helenah is a scumbag she harboured criminals"
08:03 Helenah; NOTHING is this simple man!
08:04 Helenah; You want to know why?
08:04 DaemonFC; It's impossible for him to go back and correct his earnings record now.
08:04 Helenah; I lived in a rough area
08:04 Helenah; no support
08:04 Helenah; People putting on me, raping me, abusing me...
08:04 Helenah; I couldn't function
08:04 Helenah; How do I know your family didn't do the same thing with that person?
08:04 DaemonFC; The IRS never audited him and if he tries to fix it now, it'll bring years of deliberate failure to files to their attention.
08:04 Helenah; If they did then how do you expect them to function properly and do better?
08:04 DaemonFC; And he could be facing criminal charges.
08:05 Helenah; DaemonFC: What else do you want to argue about? :)
08:05 DaemonFC; What I'm getting at is he's not having a very good life.
08:05 Helenah; Cats? Dogs? Why the coffee table is slanted?
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08:05 DaemonFC; People who wrong others shouldn't expect a large safety net for themselves when they fall down.
08:06 Helenah; In your eyes, I probably shouldn't expect a safety net then.
08:06 Helenah; Cause I done wrong
08:06 Helenah; "harboured criminals"
08:06 Helenah; Right?!
08:06 Helenah; That's correct, right? It really is true!
08:06 Helenah; You agree?
08:07 DaemonFC; <Helenah> Cats? Dogs? Why the coffee table is slanted?
08:07 DaemonFC; Well, the coffee table was $20 at IKEA so....
08:08 Helenah; DaemonFC: So back onto me now :D
08:08 DaemonFC; My point was that I'm not a "transphobe", I simply don't like Keith.
08:09 Helenah; I'm a scumbag, aren't I?
08:09 Helenah; I harboured criminals
08:09 DaemonFC; I'm not sure what his psychiatrist would say today.
08:09 DaemonFC; <Helenah> I'm a scumbag, aren't I?
08:10 DaemonFC; I can't judge you. I don't know you.
08:10 Helenah; Correct answer. :)
08:10 DaemonFC; As a gay person I know what would have happened to me in my own home state had I been born a few decades or 100 years sooner.
08:11 DaemonFC; 500 lashes, 5 years in prison, huge fine....or maybe death, or possibly just a psychiatric "hospital".....
08:11 DaemonFC; They never could decide.
08:11 DaemonFC; That's how people who believe in God and try to guess what God wants tend to act.
08:12 DaemonFC; "We have to be cruel, but maybe not kill the guy, okay maybe kill him.....No, wait.....It would be unfair to kill a crazy person.
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08:19 Helenah; 07:12 <DaemonFC> "We have to be cruel, but maybe not kill the guy, okay maybe kill him.....No, wait.....It would be unfair to kill a crazy person.
08:19 Helenah; You see...
08:19 Helenah; If you hadn't said lil things like this from when you first started talking about this person...
08:19 Helenah; And so therefore there wasn't anything EXTREMELY NASTY ever said...
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08:20 Helenah; Like if you had initiated such discussion... without sounding hostile about this person...
08:20 Helenah; And having some like neutralness to your language...
08:20 Helenah; Then I would've most likely believed that there are no secrets being kept.
08:20 Helenah; Like maybe mistreatment to this person?
08:21 Helenah; You say in one sentence, you say maybe kill him to say maybe not to say it would be unfair to kill a crazy person
08:21 Helenah; but I noticed this a lot, you are in conflict with what you really want to say :)
08:21 Helenah; Deep down you probably want this person dead...
08:22 Helenah; but you are in conflict, a battle with what you really want and as a result are forming nonsensical sentences like that...
08:22 Helenah; Maybe you don't want... repercussions from your words... your sentences, what you want to happen to this person...
08:23 DaemonFC; No, I meant, that's how society goes back and forth.
08:23 DaemonFC; Through the laws.
08:23 DaemonFC; They would have just killed me at various points.
08:24 DaemonFC; Today transgender people seem to think they're being actively persecuted every time someone goes "Yeah sure whatever." and goes on about their day.
08:24 Helenah; Then I guess you've never heard of secret hide outs...
08:24 Helenah; If you think you would've simply be killed
08:24 Helenah; "simply"
08:24 Helenah; You've to be court in an act first...
08:25 DaemonFC; Yes, and that tends to happen when the police actively entrap you.
08:25 Helenah; In the UK, back in Victorian times, there was an LGBT community
08:25 Helenah; I ain't kididng
08:25 Helenah; it was there
08:25 Helenah; it was thriving
08:25 Helenah; it was living
08:25 Helenah; and it was keeping alive
08:25 Helenah; Why?
08:25 Helenah; Because they had secret bars
08:25 Helenah; where they could be themselves
08:25 DaemonFC; And when you say to the court that the entrapment was illegal, the judges go "HAHAHA NOBODY CARES FAGGOT! DEATH SENTENCE!" and bangs the gavel.
08:25 Helenah; where they could keep safe away from the prejudice society who would call the shots the moment they see how it would've been put "A man in a frock"
08:25 Helenah; But but...
08:26 DaemonFC; I mean, that's how courts worked then, you know.
08:26 DaemonFC; Literally.
08:26 Helenah; Did you know that the UK police knew transgender well back then?
08:26 Helenah; Why? Because they had information about everybody
08:26 Helenah; because it was soo difficult being transgender back then
08:26 Helenah; They HAD to know everyone
08:26 Helenah; They HAD to know who to trust and who to not trust
08:26 DaemonFC; Dressing up like a woman was the stuff of comedy.
08:27 Helenah; and so they KNEW everyone and the police relied on them for information so really even if it was frown upon and against the law back then, the police were not killing them.
08:27 DaemonFC; Monty Python there, the guy in MASH that was trying to get a discharge for being crazy over here.
08:27 Helenah; DaemonFC: I'm not talking about drag queens...
08:27 Helenah; I'm talking about trans wmen
08:27 Helenah; *women
08:27 DaemonFC; You figure they could use men dressing like women for comedic effect today?
08:27 DaemonFC; They won't.
08:27 Helenah; Actually no drag queens are still a thing...
08:28 Helenah; so why wouldn't they be used in comedy?
08:28 DaemonFC; I was with a drag queen for a while you know. Why the hell do I care?
08:28 DaemonFC; He didn't deny that he was a man.
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08:28 Helenah; 07:28 <DaemonFC> I was with a drag queen for a while you know. Why the hell do I care?
08:29 Helenah; 07:28 <DaemonFC> He didn't deny that he was a man.
08:29 Helenah; Whose denying they're a man?
08:29 Helenah; A drag queen is a man but whose denying being a man?
08:29 DaemonFC; Trans women.
08:29 DaemonFC; It's like denying a force of nature.
08:29 Helenah; 07:29:28 DaemonFC | Trans women.
08:29 DaemonFC; Nature made me a man. I can't factually change this.
08:30 DaemonFC; I don't really want to, but the debate is pointless.
08:30 Helenah; No, nature made you karyotypically male and phenotypically male.
08:30 DaemonFC; Sometime while I was in the womb, maybe late 1983 or so, that happened, and I'm a man now.
08:30 Helenah; It didn't make you a man or a woman.
08:31 Helenah; sex is fluid
08:31 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Yeah you're a man in the same way that a trans woman is a woman
08:31 mjg59_; Easy enough
08:31 Helenah; Hence why I have an intersex condition
08:31 Helenah; cause sex is damn fluid
08:31 DaemonFC; Remember when the left made fun of Trump's administration over alternative facts?
08:31 DaemonFC; I can say I'm a woman but it would just be alternative facts if I said that.
08:31 Helenah; DaemonFC: My body's cell structure consists of a mixture of genetically male and genetically female cells.
08:31 Helenah; So am I both?
08:31 Helenah; In your eyes?
08:31 Helenah; Cause in my eyes I'm a woman.
08:33 mjg59_; Helenah: Ryan's an unrepentant transphobe who's also incapable of actually engaging in logical discussion
08:33 Helenah; mjg59_: Is DaemonFC called Ryan?
08:33 mjg59_; Helenah: Yeah
08:33 Helenah; I already know they're a transphobe. :D
08:33 Helenah; But hey
08:33 Helenah; you confirmed it! :D
08:33 mjg59_; Helenah: Roy keeps reposting his stuff for some reason despite the transphobia and the racism
08:34 Helenah; hmm
08:34 Helenah; If he says a great thing...
08:34 Helenah; I may repost myself...
08:34 DaemonFC; I'm not afraid of trans people.
08:34 Helenah; but I certainly won't repost any crap...
08:34 mjg59_; DaemonFC: People with photophobia aren't afraid of light
08:34 DaemonFC; Like, I'll go up and shake your hand and say "Hey, how are you getting along?".
08:35 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Doesn't mean they're not photophobic
08:35 *Helenah holds up the Photophobia card
08:35 Helenah; But hey DaemonFC has a point here...
08:35 Helenah; I've thought about this myself...
08:35 Helenah; phobe = fear
08:35 Helenah; but is defined as hatred when it comes to transphobia, homophobia, etc
08:35 DaemonFC; I don't have a fear of trans people I just don't think the way they do I suppose.
08:35 DaemonFC; Actual bigotry would be something like calling for them to be killed or socially excluded.
08:35 mjg59_; That's the original etymology, but "intolerance" is a better fit for many uses of it in compound terms
08:36 DaemonFC; Or you know, stuff like that.
08:36 DaemonFC; I tolerate them.
08:36 Helenah; DaemonFC: Calling a trans woman a man is bigotry in the eyes of trans people.
08:36 mjg59_; Not just trans people
08:36 Helenah; Yeh, I was speaking definitively.
08:36 Helenah; But yeah, other people too
08:36 DaemonFC; I am never saying "they/them". Ever.
08:36 DaemonFC; It reads wrong.
08:37 Helenah; They and them is gender-neutral
08:37 DaemonFC; It's a corruption of the language.
08:37 Helenah; defined that by the English language itself
08:37 Helenah; No, it's not corruption, it's accurate.
08:37 Helenah; They're terms which can be applied to groups, to living things which you don't know the gender of
08:37 Helenah; or...
08:37 Helenah; they are non-binary
08:37 Helenah; or whatever
08:37 mjg59_; Singular they has plenty of precedence
08:37 DaemonFC; In general, if it makes people feel comfortable if I say "he" or "she", then sure. I'll do that.
08:38 Helenah; mjg59_: Yep
08:38 Helenah; mjg59_ said it nicer than me.
08:38 DaemonFC; Not for Keith. I just don't like him at all. Not one bit.
08:38 DaemonFC; It still says Male and Keith on his driver's license.
08:39 DaemonFC; He's never bothered to get that changed, so it's not even legally correct.
08:39 Helenah; DaemonFC: So lets say you played a game of "Guess the sex of that slug" and you get a tray of 5 slugs, how would you define their sex?
08:39 DaemonFC; You don't even need a court order in Indiana to change your gender to "X" to get it stricken from your license.
08:40 DaemonFC; So that's even easier than going to court and having the court order you legally a woman.
08:40 DaemonFC; <Helenah> DaemonFC: So lets say you played a game of "Guess the sex of that slug" and you get a tray of 5 slugs, how would you define their sex?
08:41 DaemonFC; Slugs are hermaphroditic.
08:41 Helenah; Correct!
08:41 Helenah; It was a test.
08:41 Helenah; So there you go, sex it's fluid
08:41 Helenah; slugs? They're part of the animalia kingdom
08:41 DaemonFC; In certain animals.
08:41 Helenah; most cratures are of one of the binary sexes
08:41 Helenah; some are like you say hermaphrodites
08:42 Helenah; but animals evolved around each other
08:42 Helenah; mammals are very similar sexually
08:42 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Singular they has plenty of precedence
08:42 DaemonFC; Seems like the last few years maybe.
08:42 mjg59_; Rather more than that
08:42 Helenah; DaemonFC: It's always been that way.
08:42 DaemonFC; I don't recall anyone using this forced error before that.
08:42 Helenah; Just people wasn't open minded when it came to applying the term.
08:42 Helenah; *as
08:43 mjg59_; Is the use of singular "you" a corruption of English?
08:43 Helenah; DaemonFC: That's because the world was more prejudice
08:43 Helenah; Lets say you live in Victorian times
08:44 Helenah; You are looking afar
08:44 Helenah; you see a person
08:44 Helenah; You can't identify them, too far but you erm...
08:44 DaemonFC; mjg59_, You might be talking about me, or you could point to a room of people and collectively say "You know what I'm getting at here, right?".
08:44 DaemonFC; But "they" is plural.
08:44 Helenah; You wanna talk about them to your friend who is stood next to you
08:44 Helenah; Would you apply He, She, Their or Them?
08:44 DaemonFC; The recent hijacking of "they" is just a liberal corruption of English.
08:44 DaemonFC; And it's very recent.
08:44 Helenah; er... 3 terms, not 4.
08:45 DaemonFC; "They" think "they" can gaslight us into thinking it can be used in the singular without a conformance problem with the way that English has traditionally been spoken.
08:45 mjg59_; DaemonFC: "you" was traditionally exclusively plural
08:45 DaemonFC; And if you let "them" do that, then "they" will be right.
08:45 DaemonFC; But I won't.
08:46 Helenah; DaemonFC: Sorry what?
08:46 DaemonFC; It's Orwellian.
08:46 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Hence "thee"
08:46 mjg59_; DaemonFC: And yet, here we are, because languages change
08:46 DaemonFC; The goal here is to burn everything so that people won't remember, and then start anew.
08:46 DaemonFC; Where they'll have an easier time with their moral corruptions and depravities.
08:47 mjg59_; DaemonFC: And "they" being used in the singular form has centuries of usage
08:47 DaemonFC; I'm not pissed off of transgender people.
08:47 DaemonFC; I'm pissed off about the attempt to change the language.
08:47 mjg59_; DaemonFC: But rather than actually discuss that, you'll just continue making assertions that have no relation to what people are saying to you
08:47 DaemonFC; Changes are almost never for the best.
08:48 DaemonFC; They're almost always political in nature, or some sort of dumbing down.
08:48 mjg59_; n
08:48 DaemonFC; You can't have people thinking too much!
08:49 DaemonFC; I'm not going to change my use of language just because some idiot thinks it would be swell if they can shoehorn a new pronoun for an indeterminate gender into it.
08:49 Helenah; "Political in nature" doesn't equate to good or bad, it depends on what exactly it is that's political in nature.
08:49 Helenah; As for people having the freedom to be themselves (trans women being women for example), that is political yes but it's a step forward and is good.
08:49 Helenah; It supports quality.
08:50 DaemonFC; Yes, that was a joke btw.
08:50 Helenah; Ah, my SCD gets the better of me at times.
08:50 DaemonFC; Microsoft actually was one of the first to make things really clunky.
08:51 Helenah; So let me get this straight.
08:51 DaemonFC; Instead of assuming someone would be male, they said "when the user" does something with "her" computer.
08:51 DaemonFC; So it's not at all wrong to assume that a person will be female for some reason.
08:51 Helenah; You don't hate trans people but at the same time you see that... a trans women for example is actually a man while a trans man is actually a woman because nature dictates that depending on karyotype?
08:51 mjg59_; Helenah: It's really not worth it, I'm afraid
08:52 DaemonFC; They could have avoided stepping in it entirely by just leaving it at "when the user".
08:52 mjg59_; Helenah: Any time he's challenged on anything he just starts changing the subject rather than engaging
08:52 Helenah; mjg59_: Ah sure.
08:52 DaemonFC; Most people see "gender pronouns" listed in an email and just do what I do.
08:53 mjg59_; It's mildly entertaining to just keep demonstrating his unwillingness to engage, but it doesn't actually change anything
08:53 Helenah; If that's how you see it then I'm both a man and a woman in your eyes.
08:53 DaemonFC; Roll my eyes and reply to them if I absolutely must.
08:53 Helenah; Anyway...
08:53 Helenah; I er.. gonna go do house chores in a bit...
08:53 DaemonFC; You should be able to make an educated guess by name.
08:54 DaemonFC; If their parents weren't a couple of goddamned hippies smoking a crack pipe, they probably named them something that's a dead giveaway as to their gender.
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08:54 Helenah; WOOO HE LEFT! :D
08:54 Helenah; mjg59_: I got to know him now. :)
08:56 mjg59_; He'll be back
08:59 Helenah; mjg59_: Yeah, I was finding it entertaining and getting an adrenaline trip.
08:59 Helenah; lol
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 6.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 115.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 109.43
08:59 Helenah; Anyway, that aside, I met some really nice people here! :D
09:02 mjg59_; Helenah: I disagree with pretty much everyone here, but a lot of them have well thought through opinions and I learn from them
09:02 mjg59_; Not Ryan, though
09:04 Helenah; Ah
09:04 Helenah; Everyone is disagreeable to some extent or another, mjg59_.
09:04 mjg59_; Haha hang around here and you'll find out just how much people disagree with me
09:05 Helenah; :D
09:07 Helenah; mjg59_: I forgot how all this started but I think it happened when I spoke of some medical stuff, this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45,X/46,XY_mosaicism
09:07 TR Bot; 45,X/46,XY mosaicism - Wikipedia
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09:10 mjg59_; Helenah: I've got a PhD in genetics, so actually got taught about this (that was a long time ago now, though)
09:11 Helenah; mjg59_: I'm a case.
09:11 Helenah; And nice :)
09:12 Helenah; There is a lot wrong with me, but that's one of them.
09:18 TR News; "While 34 per cent of the people surveyed said they feel that someone will eventually hack their devices, 31 per cent do not trust the Internet" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/over-3-in-10-people-wish-to-delete-their-internet-footprint-amid-privacy-thefts/93729792 | Source: India Times
09:18 TR Bot; Over 3 in 10 people wish to delete their Internet footprint amid privacy thefts, CIO News, ET CIO
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 TR News; "Ads posted on TikTok by people-smugglers to take refugees to French coast are described as unacceptable" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/23/record-number-migrants-cross-channel-single-day/ | Source: The Telegraph UK
09:20 TR Bot; Albanian gangs offer migrants free minibus rides to Channel crossing points
09:21 TR News; "Twitter blasted Zatko, who worked at the company from November 2020 to January 2022" https://abcnews.go.com/Business/whistleblower-alleges-twitter-deceived-regulators-security-spam-twitter/story?id=88748290 | Source: ABC
09:21 TR Bot; Whistleblower alleges Twitter deceived regulators on security and spam, Twitter says it's a 'false narrative' - ABC News
09:22 TR News; "As his profile grew, Zatko took on roles with Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and Googles Advanced Technologies and Projects research group." https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318554/cybersecurity-pros-defend-twitter-whistleblower-peiter-mudge-zatko | Source: The Verge
09:22 TR Bot; Security pros are rallying to defend the Twitter whistleblower - The Verge
09:22 TR News; "Twitter has hidden negligent security practices, misled federal regulators about its safety, and failed to properly estimate the number of bots on its platform" https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23317857/twitter-whistleblower-zatko-security-spam-safety | Source: The Verge
09:22 TR Bot; Twitters former security chief says company lied about bots and safety - The Verge
09:23 TR News; "Well, yes, Musk could have asked, but Dorsey, historically, is known for his indecision and inability to make good calls in a timely fashion" https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318799/elon-musk-jack-dorsey-twitter-block-bitcoin-ceo | Source: The Verge
09:23 TR Bot; Sorry, Elon, but Jack Dorsey is still Twitters main character - The Verge
09:23 TR News; "This morning, The Washington Post and CNN published dual reports into alarming new safety and security allegations raised against Twitter by Peiter Mudge Zatko" https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318794/twitter-mudge-zatko-cybersecurity-whistleblower-markey-durbin-blumenthal | Source: The Verge
09:23 TR Bot; Congress is investigating Twitter whistleblower claims - The Verge
09:24 TR News; "The whistleblower, who has agreed to be publicly identified, is Peiter "Mudge" Zatko, who was previously the company's head of security, reporting directly to the CEO." https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/23/tech/twitter-whistleblower-peiter-zatko-security/index.html | Source: CNN
09:24 TR Bot; Twitter whistleblower Peiter "Mudge" Zatko raises concerns over security threats at platform - CNN
09:25 TR News; "On Tuesday, The Washington Post reported that Twitters former head of security, Peiter Zatko, had filed a whistleblower complaint with federal regulators" https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/23/twitter-musk-trial-whistleblower/ | Source: The Washington Post
09:25 TR Bot; Twitter vs. Musk trial could be shaken up by whistleblower revelations - The Washington Post
09:26 TR News; "Zatko alleged that he warned colleagues about out-of-date and vulnerable software on the company's servers, adding that executives withheld important data" https://www.axios.com/2022/08/23/whistleblower-complaint-twitter-regulators | Source: Axios
09:26 TR Bot; Whistleblower complaint alleges Twitter deceived regulators
09:26 TR News; "But according to Zatkos complaint, after Dorsey stepped down as CEO in November 2021, and Zatko informed members of Twitters board that protections for sensitive user data " https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/23/peiter-mudge-zatko-twitter-whistleblower/ | Source: The Washington Post
09:26 TR Bot; Peiter 'Mudge' Zatko's journey from hacker to Twitter whistleblower - The Washington Post
09:27 TR News; "The complaint from former head of security Peiter Zatko, a widely admired hacker known as Mudge, depicts Twitter as a chaotic and rudderless company beset by infighting" https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2022/twitter-whistleblower-sec-spam/ | Source: The Washington Post
09:27 TR Bot; Whistleblower: Twitter misled investors, FTC and underplayed spam issues - Washington Post
09:29 TR News; "So lets talk about how I did this, and how you can do this for your city, possibly with my help!" https://phildini.dev/digitizing-55-000-pages-of-civic-meetings |
09:29 TR Bot; 55,000 pages of civic meetings - phildini.dev
09:30 TR News; [Old] Microsoft Pelosi https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-house-speaker-pelosi-discloses-trades-apple-microsoft-2022-06-06/ | Source: Reuters
09:30 TR Bot; House speaker Pelosi discloses trades in Apple and Microsoft | Reuters
09:30 TR News; [Old] Microsoft Pelosi "$600,000 in Microsoft shares" https://nypost.com/2022/06/07/paul-pelosis-bought-up-to-2-1m-of-apple-microsoft-shares/ | Source: NYPost
09:30 TR Bot; Paul Pelosi's bought up to $2.1M of Apple, Microsoft shares
09:30 TR News; [Old] Microsoft Pelosi "Paul Pelosi's stock option trades come in the midst of a roiling debate on Capitol Hill over whether lawmakers and their spouses should be allowed to trade stocks at all." https://www.businessinsider.com/nancy-pelosi-stock-options-congress-trading-2022-6 | Source: Business Insider
09:30 TR Bot; Nancy Pelosi's Husband Just Made Huge Investment in Apple, Microsoft Stock Options
09:30 TR News; [Old] Microsoft Pelosi "She also disclosed the purchase of Microsoft ($MSFT, NASDAQ) call options at a $180 strike price with an expiration date also on 6/16/2023" https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/nancy-pelosi-discloses-trades-in-apple-and-microsoft | Source: Nasdaq
09:31 TR News; (NEW): Games Coverage From GamingOnLinux (Liam Dawe) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Games_Coverage_From_GamingOnLinux_Liam_Dawe.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Games_Coverage_From_GamingOnLinux_Liam_Dawe.gmi
09:31 TR News; (NEW): KDE/Plasma for Debian Update 2022/8 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/KDE_Plasma_for_Debian_Update_2022_8.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/KDE_Plasma_for_Debian_Update_2022_8.gmi
09:32 TR News; (NEW): Blackbox is an Aesthetically Pleasing Terminal for Minimalists Linux Users https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Blackbox_is_an_Aesthetically_Pleasing_Terminal_for_Minimalists_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Blackbox_is_an_Aesthetically_Pleasing_Terminal_for_Minimalists_.gmi
09:32 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.gmi
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09:35 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
09:46 TR News; (NEW): 7 sudo myths debunked https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/7_sudo_myths_debunked.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/7_sudo_myths_debunked.gmi
09:46 TR Bot; Tux Machines 7 sudo myths debunked
09:47 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/irc-log-230822/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/24/irc-log-230822/
09:47 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 | Techrights
09:49 TR News; Misinformation https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2022/08/23/will-southlake-approve-using-book-by-grandson-of-slave-in-school-bearing-his-name/ | Source: Dallas News
09:49 TR Bot; Will Southlake approve using book by grandson of slave in school bearing his name?
09:50 TR News; UK spies accused over arrest of Sikh blogger in India https://today.rtl.lu/news/world/a/1956944.html | Source: RTL
09:50 TR Bot; RTL Today - Critical information: UK spies accused over arrest of Sikh blogger in India
09:50 TR News; "Since I started as a journalist in 1989, Ive denounced that we live in a narco-klepto-dictatorship that has us kidnapped and cowered," https://www.thenation.com/article/world/guatemala-journalist-arrest/ | Source: The Nation
09:50 TR Bot; The Guatemalan government is targeting journalists. Is US intervention the answer?
09:50 TR News; "2022 has been one of the deadliest ever for journalists in Mexico, which is now considered the most dangerous country for reporters outside a war zone" https://www.voanews.com/a/journalist-killed-in-mexico-15th-to-die-so-far-this-year-/6712790.html | Source: VOA News
09:50 TR Bot; Journalist Killed in Mexico, 15th to Die So Far This Year
09:51 TR News; "Such is evidently the case with the Gannett newspaper chain, which owns more than 250 newspapers across the country including USA Today" https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/to-worse-for-news-biz-gannett-chain-turns-to-union-busting-layoffs-stock-buybacks_partner/ | Source: Salon
09:51 TR Bot; to worse for news biz: Gannett chain turns to union busting, layoffs, stock buybacks | Salon.com
09:51 TR News; "describes himself as a robot in a the afromentioned interview and across his TikTok and Instagram pages" https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/capitol-records-drops-fn-meka-first-virtual-rapper-1234580495/ | Source: Rolling Stone
09:51 TR Bot; Capitol Records Drops Its First Virtual Rapper After Just Over a Week Rolling Stone
09:51 TR News; "The virtual rapper has amassed more than 10 million followers on its TikTok profile" https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3613048-capitol-records-walks-away-from-ai-rapper-project-offers-deepest-apologies-to-the-black-community/ | Source: The Hill
09:51 TR Bot; Capitol Records walks away from AI rapper project, offers deepest apologies to the Black community | The Hill
09:52 TR News; [Old] "A perfect storm of factors has propelled unemployment among 16- to 24-year-old urbanites to a record 19.3%, more than twice the comparable rate in the US." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-25/xi-s-covid-rules-and-tech-crackdown-push-gen-z-in-china-to-bailan | Source: Bloomberg
09:52 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
09:52 TR News; "So it may shock many that the concept of quiet quitting is actually derived from a movement that began sweeping through China last year known as lying flat or tang ping." https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/surprising-origin-of-quiet-quitting-trend-sweeping-through-aussie-offices/news-story/8a2e2db3c8e3b9f783235a58967fd6b6 | Source: News AU
09:52 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/surprising-origin-of-quiet-quitting-trend-sweeping-through-aussie-offices/news-story/8a2e2db3c8e3b9f783235a58967fd6b6 )
09:53 TR News; "We literally did their job for them, instructed them how to apprehend them, yet protecting them because of their age, the law is not on our side when it comes to youths" https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-slam-bowls-club-filming-27811372 | Source: Mirror UK
09:53 TR Bot; Police slam bowls club for filming kids without permission using anti-vandal CCTV - Mirror Online
09:55 TR News; "Anyone in journalism who wants to regain that trust would do well to read American Dispatches and internalize the lessons that Robert Parry offers, writes Nat Parry." https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/23/the-instinctive-distrust-of-big-media/ | Source: Scheerpost
09:55 TR Bot; Instinctive Distrust of Big Media scheerpost.com
09:59 TR News; ICBM: reject community GNU/Linux distros and become our SLAVE Install, remove, update, and list packages using dnf, the RPM package manager command.
09:59 TR News; ICBM: reject community GNU/Linux distros and become our SLAVE https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/24/move-apt-dnf-package-management
09:59 TR Bot; Move from apt to dnf package management | Red Hat Developer
10:01 TR News; Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/snow-crash.gmi
10:02 TR News; Swedish Block Politics gemini://idiomdrottning.org/block-politics-2022
10:02 TR News; "Do what you love and love what you do and success will automatically follow. Don't work for success but for love." gemini://snonux.land/gemfeed/2022-08-23-do-what-you-love-and-love-what-you-do.gmi
10:03 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.gmi
10:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
10:03 TR News; Rupert Murdoch Sells Lithium Neocolonialism as Climate Necessity https://fair.org/home/wsj-sells-lithium-neocolonialism-as-climate-necessity/ | Source: FAIR
10:03 TR Bot; WSJ Sells Lithium Neocolonialism as Climate Necessity - FAIR
10:04 TR News; "Free Speech Absolutist" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/23/free-speech-absolutist-elon-musk-pens-column-for-chinese-censorship-agency/ | Source: Techdirt
10:04 TR Bot; Speech Absolutist Elon Musk Pens Column For Chinese Censorship Agency | Techdirt
10:05 TR News; Wow, Techdirt turns 25. Impressive age for WWW. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/23/25-years-ago-today-techdirt-got-started/ | Source: Techdirt
10:05 TR Bot; Years Ago Today Techdirt Got Started! | Techdirt
10:05 TR News; Twitter Whistleblower https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/23/twitters-former-security-boss-drops-stunning-whistleblower-report/ | Source: Techdirt
10:05 TR Bot; Former Security Boss Drops Stunning Whistleblower Report | Techdirt
10:08 TR News; "National Meteorological Service have been fired after according to the government they made the wrong weather forecast and the fireworks planned for Statehood Day" https://telex.hu/english/2022/08/23/hungarys-top-weather-experts-fired-for-wrong-forecast-on-national-holiday | Source: Telex (Hungary)
10:08 TR Bot; Telex: Hungary's top weather experts fired after wrong forecast on national holiday
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: ^
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; wtf?
10:09 TR News; Sriram Ramkrishna: GUADEC 2022 GUADALAJARA https://blogs.gnome.org/sri/2022/08/24/guadec-2022-guadalajara/
10:10 TR Bot; GUADEC 2022 GUADALAJARA Sri Ramkrishna
10:11 TR News; "Wed like to thank Trigkey for sending the Speed S3 Ryzen 5 3350H mini PC for review." Once again, fake 'reviews' of 'gifts'.... and THOSE DEVICES ARE NOT LINUX BUT WINDOWS!!! https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/24/trigkey-speed-s3-mini-pc-review-part-1-unboxing-and-teardown/
10:11 TR Bot; Trigkey Speed S3 mini PC review - Part 1: Unboxing and teardown - CNX Software
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10:12 techuser; hi
10:12 matteobin; Hello there!
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; 0/
10:17 TR News; (NEW): Best Open-Source Distributions for Pentesting and Forensics https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Best_Open_Source_Distributions_for_Pentesting_and_Forensics.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Best_Open_Source_Distributions_for_Pentesting_and_Forensics.gmi
10:17 TR Bot; Tux Machines Best Open-Source Distributions for Pentesting and Forensics
10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
10:21 TR News; (NEW): Open Hardware/Modding: ESP32 and Arduino https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Open_Hardware_Modding_ESP32_and_Arduino.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Open_Hardware_Modding_ESP32_and_Arduino.gmi
10:21 TR Bot; Tux Machines Open Hardware/Modding: ESP32 and Arduino"
10:22 TR News; (NEW): Latest GUADEC 2022 Coverage https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Latest_GUADEC_2022_Coverage.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Latest_GUADEC_2022_Coverage.gmi
10:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Latest GUADEC 2022 Coverage
10:27 TR News; "31 per cent do not trust the Internet" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/over-3-in-10-people-wish-to-delete-their-internet-footprint-amid-privacy-thefts/93729792 it's essential nowadays TO NOT TRUST TECH IN GENERAL! Also, it's essential to lower living expenses.
10:27 TR Bot; Over 3 in 10 people wish to delete their Internet footprint amid privacy thefts, CIO News, ET CIO
10:34 TR News; Links 24/08/2022: Kubernetes 1.25, Firefox 105 Beta, and Techdirt Turns 25 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/techdirt-turns-25/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/24/techdirt-turns-25/
10:34 TR Bot; Links 24/08/2022: Kubernetes 1.25, Firefox 105 Beta, and Techdirt Turns 25 | Techrights
10:35 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
10:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers"
10:35 TR News; (UPDATED): $29 Inovato Quadra Arm mini PC runs Armbian on Allwinner H6 processor (UPDATED) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/_29_Inovato_Quadra_Arm_mini_PC_runs_Armbian_on_Allwinner_H6_pro.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/_29_Inovato_Quadra_Arm_mini_PC_runs_Armbian_on_Allwinner_H6_pro.gmi
10:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines $29 Inovato Quadra Arm mini PC runs Armbian on Allwinner H6 processor (UPDATED)
10:35 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_leftovers.gmi
10:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
10:36 Helenah; matteobin: Welcome! :)
10:36 matteobin; Hello! Nice to meet you.
10:36 schestowitz[TR]; many new faces
10:37 Helenah; You too! :D I gotta get on with chores :3
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; good luck
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; when MinceR uses :3 it means cat
10:37 matteobin; Chores? I'm not a native English speaker.
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; house duties/work
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; toil
10:38 matteobin; Ah, good luck! :D
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; our fridge is getting empty, so I too have chores
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; wife's bday today
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10:39 TR News; Get Into Jail Card https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/get-into-jail-card/ | Source: The Nation
10:39 TR Bot; Get Into Jail Card | The Nation
10:40 TR News; Rural Hospital https://www.thenation.com/article/society/rmch-gallup-rural-hospital/ | Source: The Nation
10:40 TR Bot; How to Kill a Rural Hospital | The Nation
10:41 TR News; "Theres talk of Bidens age, but not of Trumps. So hows The Donalds youthfulness conveyed? When he begins to bully or he whines, He sounds as if hes still in second grade" https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/youthfulness/ Biden, Sanders, HRC. Trump... all very old
10:41 TR Bot; Youthfulness | The Nation
10:42 MinceR; 24 110820 < schestowitz[TR]> wtf?
10:42 MinceR; just the usual middle asian stuff
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; :3 ?
10:43 schestowitz[TR]; aah, I get it
10:43 schestowitz[TR]; orban and the fireworks
10:43 schestowitz[TR]; telex had 3 articles about it yesterday
10:43 schestowitz[TR]; next: execute people for witchcraft
10:44 schestowitz[TR]; for not wishing well upon the nation
10:45 MinceR; they're also rebuilding "socialism"
10:45 MinceR; we have 3 mobile operators
10:45 MinceR; one of them is a collaborant
10:45 TR News; "Salman Tepsurkaev, the moderator of a Telegram channel that monitors human rights abuses in Chechnya, was murdered by local security forces almost two years ago." https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/24/human-rights-activists-confirm-murder-by-chechen-security-forces-of-telegram-channel-moderator-abducted-in-september-2020 | Source: Meduza
10:45 TR Bot; NO TITLE
10:45 MinceR; the second is 25% owned by the state
10:45 MinceR; and they're trying to buy 100% of the third
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; telecom owned and run by the state would be similar to communism
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; transport might be ok
10:47 schestowitz[TR]; if that keeps prices down
10:47 TR News; "The Putin administration is bracing itself for an anticipated rise in popular discontent in Russia, as prices continue to go up and factories shut down, informed sources told Meduza." https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/08/23/people-won-t-like-what-s-happening-at-home | Source: Meduza
10:47 TR Bot; NO TITLE
10:48 TR News; "A group of people, poorly compensated, are arranged in a call center environment as contract workers for a platform youve definitely heard of" https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/hanna-bervoets-remove-this-post/ | Source: The Nation
10:48 TR Bot; What's Life Like for the Content Moderator? | The Nation
10:48 TR News; Censorship: "Krasnodar magazine Sobaka.ru has pulled its cover story and interview with Manizha, the singer and former Eurovision contestant, over her anti-war statements" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/23/magazine-pulls-cover-story-with-eurovision-star-manizha-after-singer-s-anti-war-statements-land-her-on-banned-artists-list | Source: Meduza
10:48 TR Bot; NO TITLE
10:49 matteobin; In Italy telecom are not run by the state anymore. However is it better to have companies that do not care about people and infrastructure? I think a state should own a bit of the telecom infrastructure, not all but a bit, at least for strategic purposes.
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; herew it owns some of the infra
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; but not the operator
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; it used to be a BT monopoly
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; when BT was like forefront of the new "tech"
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; not it's openreach
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; same for water pipes and electric/gas pipes/grid
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; shared infra makes it more efficient
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; but the companies you deal with are competing
10:51 MinceR; 24 114651 < schestowitz[TR]> transport might be ok
10:52 MinceR; hungarian public transport is practically unusable
10:52 MinceR; the state is trying to strangle budapest to punish its inhabitants for voting for the democrats
10:52 MinceR; so BKK/BKV has no money to maintain or develop their service
10:53 MinceR; it was already abysmal before 2010 though
10:53 MinceR; MAV has no excuse
10:54 MinceR; then again, pretty much everything is fucked up in hungary
10:55 TR News; Streaming Tops Traditional Cable TV Viewership For First Time Ever https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/23/streaming-tops-traditional-cable-tv-viewership-for-first-time-ever/ | Source: Techdirt
10:55 TR Bot; Tops Traditional Cable TV Viewership For First Time Ever | Techdirt
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 121.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 102.63
10:59 TR News; Extremists and business supremacists https://truthout.org/articles/mysterious-right-wing-donor-drops-1-6-billion-gift-on-federalist-society-boss/ | Source: TruthOut
10:59 TR Bot; Mysterious Right-Wing Donor Drops $1.6 Billion Gift on Federalist Society Boss
11:02 TR News; Profits https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/23/disaster-capitalism-its-worst-profits-grain-giants-spark-global-criticism | Source: Common Dreams
11:02 TR Bot; 'Disaster Capitalism at Its Worst': Profits of Grain Giants Spark Global Criticism
11:04 matteobin; My dream would be if the state used a free or open decentralised infrustructre. For instance in Italy we could have at least one XMPP server per region. That would be rad!
11:05 matteobin; The same could be said for email, VoIP and IRC.
11:06 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@5p26b77xeftxg.irc) has joined #techrights
11:07 Helenah; Hi again matteobin :3
11:07 DaemonFC; Pause between naps. Anywho, I think mjg59_ underscores my point for me pretty well.
11:07 Helenah; Yes, chores are duties around the house. :3
11:07 Helenah; and er... other responsibilities like erm...
11:07 Helenah; getting in the shopping, etc. :D
11:07 DaemonFC; Taking in people who have no respect for human rights and your Constitution and letting them buy citizenship is a bad idea.
11:08 DaemonFC; You get a lot of those people, it doesn't help whatever's been going on in your country already.
11:08 TR News; "The recent wave of Starbucks workers seeking to join a union shares many characteristics of a mass movement." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/23/inside-countrywide-campaign-unionize-every-starbucks-america | Source: Common Dreams
11:08 TR Bot; Opinion | Inside the Countrywide Campaign to Unionize Every Starbucks in America | Saurav Sarkar
11:08 Helenah; What about cat rights? o.O
11:08 matteobin; In this case you would have an open standard that individuals could operate by their own, if the state becomes evil, and you would incentivise companies to use good comunication protocols.
11:08 Helenah; I want to be able to take my cat with me everywhere :3 <3
11:08 DaemonFC; Cats would actually have a lot of rights if a landmark bill in the Illinois legislature right now passes.
11:09 Helenah; I can't reproduce and he's like offspring to me. <3
11:09 techuser; if cats had rights, owning them would have been illegal
11:09 techuser; because owning is slavery
11:09 Helenah; techuser: I take good care of him and he follows me everywhere at his own choice. :3 <3
11:10 matteobin; I like cats, but I'm more of a dogs person. All animals should have more rights. We should respect nature way more.
11:10 Helenah; He has a flap so he can let himself in and out. <3
11:10 Helenah; He came to the shop with me <3
11:10 Helenah; and then to the pharmacy with me <3
11:10 DaemonFC; The bill actually changes animal cruelty law to say you've committed a crime if your pet cat becomes sick and you don't do anything to help it or euthanize it if it's in pain and terminally ill.
11:10 Helenah; And then back home with me <3
11:10 Helenah; And I talk to him like he's a human baby <3
11:10 Helenah; Awwww
11:11 DaemonFC; No, cats aren't human and they should not have "human rights". PETA is ridiculous. Their founder is a real weirdo.
11:11 matteobin; Sorry if I write like a mix between a chocolate poem and a discount asian wiseman.
11:12 DaemonFC; But animals are also not ours to abuse.
11:12 Helenah; matteobin: It doesn't bother me, I've been around non-natives for a LONG time. :3
11:12 DaemonFC; If people don't take cats as a pet, the cats will have it a lot worse.
11:12 DaemonFC; Just having to live outside cuts the cat's life expectancy down to 3-4 years.
11:13 Helenah; They might not be able to survive due to being bred down by humans stuck in places all around the world.
11:13 DaemonFC; It has to deal with disease, cars, predators, not having enough food.
11:13 DaemonFC; It may drink out of a dirty mud puddle.
11:13 DaemonFC; I mean, my cats have it a lot better than that.
11:14 Helenah; DaemonFC: Cats drink out of that anyway
11:14 matteobin; You're right, but so what? Animal rights should serve to prevent abuse from humans not animals.
11:14 Helenah; They're food and drink regulators
11:14 DaemonFC; <Helenah> They might not be able to survive due to being bred down by humans stuck in places all around the world.
11:14 DaemonFC; My cats are sterilized.
11:14 Helenah; They won't eat and drink all in one go, if the cat can't get in and access to its bowl, it will drink from other sources.
11:14 DaemonFC; They are indoor cats.
11:14 Helenah; Oh
11:15 DaemonFC; Nature says cats have as many litters of kittens as possible so that at least a few survive.
11:15 Helenah; Mine is both
11:15 DaemonFC; That's pretty bad.
11:15 Helenah; I had to deal with that myself...
11:15 Helenah; when I lived in the city...
11:15 Helenah; a cat came to me
11:15 Helenah; with a litter of kittens
11:15 DaemonFC; Nature kills more than 9 out of 10 of the kittens and their survival is based on producing a lot of kittens.
11:15 Helenah; then another litter of kittens
11:15 Helenah; so I had 9 cats...
11:15 DaemonFC; It's depressing.
11:15 Helenah; all blood related
11:15 Helenah; LOL
11:16 Helenah; It was raining, it took her HOURS and HOURS to carry them back one by one
11:16 Helenah; I'd stand at front door waiting for her
11:16 Helenah; By her last one
11:16 Helenah; I didn't wanna intervene but I did
11:16 Helenah; because the mother collapsed due to exhaustion
11:16 DaemonFC; Nature sucks, doesn't it?
11:16 Helenah; plus she was piss wet through due to the rain
11:16 Helenah; Well she wasn't have done normally
11:16 Helenah; They were heavy on her head
11:17 DaemonFC; That's Ingrid Newkirk's opinion of what should happen to your cat.
11:17 Helenah; DaemonFC: What is?
11:17 DaemonFC; A short sad life of losing most of its kittens and then getting run over by a car.
11:17 DaemonFC; So you won't have it as a pet cat.
11:17 matteobin; I wouldn't say that Nature sucks. It's cruel in a fair way.
11:17 Helenah; What?
11:17 Helenah; matteobin: Agreed
11:17 DaemonFC; I really despise Ingrid Newkirk.
11:18 Helenah; Yeah but...
11:18 Helenah; I was talking
11:18 Helenah; you said "That's such and such opinion of what to do with your cats"
11:18 Helenah; and then went on about em being ran over and shit...
11:18 Helenah; Are you mad dude?
11:18 Helenah; I'm not a fuckin' animal abuser...
11:18 Helenah; WTF is wrong with you man?
11:18 Helenah; Jesus
11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
11:21 matteobin; Helenah, techuser told me you are into GNU/Linux. What distro do you use?
11:21 Helenah; matteobin: Arch and Devuan :3
11:21 DaemonFC; Ingrid Newkirk's will says she wants to be cut up and turned into "nuggets".
11:21 DaemonFC; Sounds pretty crazy to me.
11:22 Helenah; Who will eat her? o.o
11:22 TR News; (NEW): Kasts convergent podcast software https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kasts_convergent_podcast_software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kasts_convergent_podcast_software.gmi
11:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kasts convergent podcast software"
11:22 DaemonFC; Soylent Newkirk
11:22 Helenah; Or is it for her cats
11:22 Helenah; for when she's dead?
11:22 DaemonFC; Very big in California.
11:22 TR News; (NEW): DeskPi Super6C mini-ITX board takes up to 6x Raspberry Pi CM4 modules https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/DeskPi_Super6C_mini_ITX_board_takes_up_to_6x_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_m.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/DeskPi_Super6C_mini_ITX_board_takes_up_to_6x_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_m.gmi
11:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines DeskPi Super6C mini-ITX board takes up to 6x Raspberry Pi CM4 modules
11:24 techuser; matteobin: btw Luis64_gamer from IKTeam (I may try to bring him here) said he did use GNU/Linux at some point already, and these days he is doing things with WSL
11:24 TR News; Kansas https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/the-first-ever-kansas-city-keyboard-meetup-is-this-weekend/ | Source: Hackaday
11:24 TR Bot; First-Ever Kansas City Keyboard Meetup Is This Weekend | Hackaday
11:25 TR News; ICBM https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/ibms-early-pc-attracts-time-travelers/ | Source: Hackaday
11:25 TR Bot; Early PC Attracts Time Travelers | Hackaday
11:25 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.gmi
11:25 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
11:25 Helenah; Thing is, it isn't a Windows Subsystem for Linux, it's a Linux Subsystem for Windows...
11:26 Helenah; But...
11:26 Helenah; Microsoft for you, they like software to be called Windows Foo or Microsoft Foo but then go way to far...
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; it didn't have Linux
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; until WSL2
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; or LSW2
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; it was GNU SL
11:27 Helenah; They stupid named it stupidly though.
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; or WSG
11:27 Helenah; Just for the sake of marketing
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; WQindows subsystem for GNU
11:27 Helenah; they named a subsystem wrongly
11:27 matteobin; I use Debian and I want to try NetBSD. I don't like WSL. I try to minimiza my Windows usage.
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; like cygwin
11:27 matteobin; What do you use Arch and what Devuan for?
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; Windows uses you
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; the operator is Microsoft
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; and the user
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; the person in front of the PC just pays for the PC
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; and that's it
11:28 Helenah; Yeah the operator isn't just the user but also microsnot like you said
11:28 Helenah; nannying you
11:28 Helenah; "Windows went wrong, lets troubleshoot"
11:29 Helenah; but not like go into technical details about the problem
11:29 DaemonFC; Then there's Matthew J. GULAG's recent development.
11:29 Helenah; Assume you are a baby who needs their hand holding, diaper changing and a babies bottle...
11:29 Helenah; and never give you the technical details that would allow a nerd to fix the problem in 2 seconds...
11:29 DaemonFC; Like Captain Renault.
11:30 DaemonFC; "I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in here!"
11:31 DaemonFC; https://noagenda.fandom.com/wiki/I%27m_shocked,_shocked_to_find_that_gambling_is_going_on_in_here!
↺ https://noagenda.fandom.com/wiki/I%27m_shocked,_shocked_to_find_that_gambling_is_going_on_in_here!
11:31 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://noagenda.fandom.com/wiki/I%27m_shocked,_shocked_to_find_that_gambling_is_going_on_in_here )
11:31 DaemonFC; mjg59_ in a nutshell
11:32 Helenah; DaemonFC: Why do you keep mentioning mjg59_ like that?
11:33 Helenah; Also the quoting of text which is in the URLs you post is annoying, it's excessive quoting.
11:33 Helenah; It like... seriously I'm being a piece of shit when I say this, it really does push conversation into the scrollback.
11:33 Helenah; *I'm not being
11:35 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR] complaining about Windows controlling the user.
11:35 DaemonFC; It can't prevent you from leaving, except with things like "Secure Boot".
11:35 Helenah; brb doing chores
11:36 DaemonFC; So they get someone to pretend to be an "open source developer" to legitimize their takeover of your computer.
11:36 techuser; matteobin: I know one BSD user here (nickname matey), but he disappeared
11:37 techuser; and idk if he is going to be back anytime soon
11:37 DaemonFC; I'm considering trying out GhostBSD.
11:37 DaemonFC; It seems that finally someone cares what kind of fresh Hell installing a BSD operating system is.
11:38 matteobin; I don't have time to try NetBSD now, but when I finish my mail server, I will.
11:40 matteobin; *BSDs seem the only thing my 2005 PowerPC Mac mini can run.
11:40 TR News; ">Workers Are Organizing Independently" https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/workers-are-organizing-independently-why-dont-our-politicians-seem-to-care/ | Source: The Nation
11:40 TR Bot; Workers Are Organizing Independently. Why Dont Our Politicians Seem to Care? | The Nation
11:40 TR News; "Cancel It All" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/23/cancel-it-all-say-progressives-biden-favors-10000-means-tested-student-debt-relief | Source: Common Dreams
11:40 TR Bot; 'Cancel It All,' Say Progressives as Biden Favors $10,000 in Means-Tested Student Debt Relief
11:43 DaemonFC; "Progressives" whine that people with $600,000 incomes don't get their loans canceled out.
11:43 DaemonFC; Figures.
11:46 Helenah; Why the fuck does every food item need to come in packaging?!
11:46 Helenah; I can't get rid of my trash now... :/
11:46 Helenah; My cardboard bin is full
11:46 Helenah; My domestic waste bin is full
11:46 Helenah; my glass, plastic and metal bin is full..
11:46 Helenah; DAMN
11:46 DaemonFC; "Americans are wasteful" says the person who has unnecessary packaging for the food.
11:47 DaemonFC; Damn you! Your sandwich and apple slices are causing CLIMATE CHANGE!
11:47 TR News; Education https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/23/four-decades-attacking-teachers-destroying-public-education | Source: Common Dreams
11:47 TR Bot; Opinion | Four Decades of Attacking Teachers Is Destroying Public Education | Jack Schneider
11:47 Helenah; DaemonFC: What?
11:47 DaemonFC; Even worse, you might fart later and that will too. It's worse than Uncle Bill's private jets.
11:47 Helenah; Farts are natural...
11:48 DaemonFC; Methane is a greenhouse gas!
11:48 DaemonFC; Oh no!
11:48 Helenah; You can't possibly say my body in itself damages the environment...
11:48 TR News; "This strike is about our students." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/23/teachers-strike-columbus-about-students-says-union-not-wages | Source: Common Dreams
11:48 TR Bot; Teachers' Strike in Columbus About Students, Says Union, Not Wages
11:48 Helenah; lol
11:48 DaemonFC; Yes it does.
11:48 MinceR; "It is natural to die."
11:48 Helenah; That would be absurd considering I'm part of the ecosystem...
11:49 DaemonFC; https://sites.psu.edu/siowfa15/2015/11/27/farts-and-burps-contribution-to-global-warming/
11:49 TR Bot; Farts and Burps Contribution to Global Warming | SiOWfa15: Science in Our World: Certainty and Controversy
11:49 Helenah; Yeah "contribute"
11:49 Helenah; that doesn't mean it's the cause...
11:49 DaemonFC; Oh they really have you.
11:49 schestowitz[TR]; corrupted media
11:49 Helenah; Of course it is gonna be an "addon" to the damage humanity does.
11:49 Helenah; DaemonFC: I think you really are stupid...
11:50 Helenah; Did you know Biomethane is friendlier than non-biomethane?
11:50 Helenah; For one non-biomethane is locked in the ground
11:50 Helenah; not supposed to be released
11:50 Helenah; so when it gets released, that's humanity unbalancing the damn system...
11:50 Helenah; And you blame farts are the issue?!
11:50 Helenah; Food contains methane
11:50 MinceR; i didn't know there was a moiety called "bio-"
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11:51 TR News; "Change on industrial scales is slow, but if youre operating your own small farm or simply working in a home garden there are some excellent ways to use water more effectively." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/2022-hackaday-prize-plant-monitoring-system-grows-to-include-lora/ | Source: Hackaday
↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/2022-hackaday-prize-plant-monitoring-system-grows-to-include-lora/
11:51 TR Bot; Hackaday Prize: Plant Monitoring System Grows To Include LoRa | Hackaday
11:51 Helenah; It decays, methane is released as it is broken down
11:51 matteobin; This chat is very strange.
11:51 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights
11:51 Helenah; it gets released into the environment
11:51 TR News; "Moving air with spinning blades is the most popular way, but it is not the only way." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/flapping-pcb-fan-blows-a-little-bit/ | Source: Hackaday
11:51 TR Bot; PCB Fan Blows A Little Bit | Hackaday
11:51 Helenah; But you'd be an idiot go around and say "Apples and oranges are destroying the planet due to the methane they release"
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; matteobin: sometimes it's about tech ^_^
11:52 Helenah; Yeah, sometimes it's about tech...
11:52 DaemonFC; My friend said that raising cattle was bad for the planet, with cow flatulence in the ozone and the clearing of land for the raising of cattle. He asked me what I was doing to help the environment. I said, I'm eating the cows. ~Ron White
11:52 Helenah; but numb nuts over there won't allow that...
11:52 Helenah; DaemonFC: Yes
11:52 Helenah; but...
11:52 Helenah; wild cows are
11:52 Helenah; not unbalancing anything
11:52 Helenah; It's the "excess of cows" caused by farming...
11:53 Helenah; You can't blame the cow itself...
11:53 DaemonFC; Yes, we know that.
11:53 MinceR; it's the excess of humans that causes most of that farming
11:53 Helenah; but you can blame the human who raised the cow...
11:53 DaemonFC; It was a joke. He's a comedian.
11:53 matteobin; I agree on that.
11:53 matteobin; Oh sorry. I'm confused.
11:53 DaemonFC; Cows are delicious.
11:53 matteobin; I'll go to lunch. Have a good meal, everyone!
11:53 TR News; Means-Test Student Debt Relief https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/23/anger-mounts-over-bidens-reported-plan-means-test-student-debt-relief | Source: Common Dreams
11:53 TR Bot; Anger Mounts Over Biden's Reported Plan to Means-Test Student Debt Relief
11:53 MinceR; there could be a couple million humans living sustainably and comfortably on this planet, or we can try and cover it in bodies, and insist that everyone live like an ascetic because it's unsustainable
11:54 DaemonFC; Until Creepy Uncle Bill's Lab Garbage Burgers are better, people will eat burgers.
11:54 MinceR; and the latter still won't work
11:54 MinceR; but it's very popular.
11:54 Helenah; MinceR: I designed a biodigester, just need to put in place.
11:54 Helenah; that and a gasometer
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11:55 DaemonFC; Walmart doesn't sell Beyond Beef anymore.
11:55 DaemonFC; Good.
11:55 DaemonFC; The stuff is fucking crap that lies about being beef.
11:55 TR News; "The fastest ground vehicles on earth are not driven by their wheels but by an aircraft jet engine." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/high-speed-rc-car-needs-a-flight-controller/ | Source: Hackaday
11:55 TR Bot; RC Car Needs A Flight Controller | Hackaday
11:55 DaemonFC; Or even beef-like.
11:55 TR News; "With the never ending march of technological progress, arguably the most complex technologies become so close to magic as to be impenetrable to those outside the industry in which they operate" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/integrated-circuit-manufacturing-at-bell-labs-in-1983/ | Source: Hackaday
11:55 DaemonFC; McDonalds gave up and canceled the "McPlant".
11:55 TR Bot; Circuit Manufacturing At Bell Labs In 1983 | Hackaday
11:56 DaemonFC; Did you see that, schestowitz[TR]?
11:56 DaemonFC; Beyond Beef's stock sank on the news.
11:56 DaemonFC; Creepy Uncle was trying to get it into McDonalds.
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; they ain't got beed with him
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; gates invests in walmart
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; coca cola
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; and who knows what else?
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; I've not keps abreast for over a decade
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; he buys the chains
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; and then puishes into them his PATENTED crap
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; that costs a lot
12:02 TR News; Red Hat expands support for Java with Eclipse Temurin | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/24/red-hat-expands-support-java-eclipse-temurin Source: XDA | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/24/red-hat-expands-support-java-eclipse-temurin
12:02 TR Bot; Red Hat expands support for Java with Eclipse Temurin | Red Hat Developer
12:03 TR News; IT talent: the thing Red Hat (ICBM) is getting rid off by firing them all... for low-cost slaves https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/it-talent-interview-questions
12:03 TR Bot; IT talent: 4 interview questions to prep for | The Enterprisers Project
12:04 TR News; Where to start with linux authentication? " Firstyears blog-a-log https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2022/08/24/where_to_start_with_linux_authentication.html Source: WFYI Radio | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2022/08/24/where_to_start_with_linux_authentication.html
12:04 TR Bot; reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2022/08/24/where_to_start_with_linux_authentication.html )
12:05 Helenah; Nobody is 100% bad, you know?
12:06 Helenah; Even if they're the most hated person the planet...
12:06 Helenah; Gates has probably done a mixture of good and bad things.
12:06 Helenah; I just don't like how Microsnot is...
12:07 Helenah; And I don't like some of Gates ways either
12:07 Helenah; I don't even necessarily like what he chooses to fund
12:08 TR News; Kingdom of Barbaria https://www.reuters.com/article/saudi-city-surveillance-idAFL8N2ZL0CM
12:08 TR Bot; 'surveillance city': Would you sell your data to The Line? | Reuters
12:09 Helenah; But I'm sure he's got his good and his bad about him, we all have...
12:09 Helenah; rich, poor, etc, we all have good and bad in us. :)
12:09 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: people are judged on net effect
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12:09 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I prefer to look at a person in full and get a full picture.
12:10 Helenah; You could say something bad...
12:10 Helenah; but if I was to then say
12:10 Helenah; you're an absolute evil piece of shit
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; igf you don't mind me saying:
12:10 Helenah; then I am degrading you
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; saying gates did some good things is a big stockholm-y
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12:10 Helenah; and er... like... what about the good thing?
12:10 Helenah; s
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; we should not forgive everyone
12:10 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Wait, what?
12:10 DaemonFC; https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/House
12:10 TR Bot; House (Series) - TV Tropes
12:10 Helenah; I don't support the guy...
12:10 schestowitz[TR]; some people did a lot of bad
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; and belong in prison for life
12:11 DaemonFC; "Asexuality doesn't exist in healthy people."
12:11 DaemonFC; In general, no, it doesn't.
12:11 DaemonFC; It's what happens when the doctor starts playing around with your antidepressants.
12:11 Helenah; DaemonFC: So I must be very sick then
12:11 Helenah; because I'm Demisexual which is like..
12:11 Helenah; partially asexual
12:11 Helenah; and partially sexual
12:11 TR News; (NEW): Rocky Linux 9.0 Quick overview https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Rocky_Linux_9_0_Quick_overview.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Rocky_Linux_9_0_Quick_overview.gmi
12:11 techuser; I want to become asexual
12:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines Rocky Linux 9.0 Quick overview
12:12 psydruid; Gates is pure evil
12:12 Helenah; techuser: GnRH agonist
12:12 Helenah; will reduce your sexual urges to nil
12:12 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique
12:12 Helenah; but erm...
12:12 TR Bot; Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights
12:12 schestowitz[TR]; all his investments are bad
12:12 Helenah; Please take that under the guidance of a doctor, okay?
12:12 schestowitz[TR]; inc. the media bribes
12:12 Helenah; Cause playing with that is like... well...
12:12 Helenah; lol
12:12 schestowitz[TR]; that compel "publishers" to tell people he does "good"
12:12 Helenah; Ah
12:13 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I never mentioned anything he did though in particular...
12:13 Helenah; I was generally saying that...
12:13 schestowitz[TR]; I studied it for many years
12:13 schestowitz[TR]; he belongs in prison
12:13 Helenah; everyone has both good and bad in them...
12:13 schestowitz[TR]; he was arrested twice
12:13 Helenah; Yeah but even prison inmates have some good in them...
12:13 schestowitz[TR]; he also tried to free epstein from prison
12:13 schestowitz[TR]; after he had flew child explottaion planes with him
12:13 Helenah; Gary Glitter is a pedophile but I still like his music...
12:13 schestowitz[TR]; *flown
12:14 Helenah; Even if I don't like what he did to minors.
12:14 schestowitz[TR]; not all prison inmates are equal
12:14 schestowitz[TR]; some are there for mass murder
12:14 Helenah; Yep
12:14 schestowitz[TR]; some are not
12:14 schestowitz[TR]; some for life
12:14 schestowitz[TR]; some for months
12:14 Helenah; but even a mass murderer has something "good" about them
12:14 Helenah; even if the murder itself is bad...
12:14 Helenah; I don't see how someone can be 100% bad throughout...
12:15 Helenah; I've never met anyone who is 100% bad throughout, even the 3 men who raped me...
12:15 schestowitz[TR]; the "banaility of evil"
12:15 schestowitz[TR]; when "decent" man convince themselves that massive harm is justifiable
12:15 schestowitz[TR]; see Brehvik
12:15 Helenah; hmm
12:15 DaemonFC; Hitler was the Chancellor of Germany. He loved to paint, was a vegan, and took very good care of his dogs. For more, see Criticism of Hitler.
12:15 DaemonFC; (Wikipedia)
12:15 Helenah; Yeh, there are things that are good about hitler
12:16 Helenah; Things I like about him
12:16 Helenah; but I do not like nazism
12:16 Helenah; And therefore I do not like the nazism in him
12:16 Helenah; I don't like what he did to people...
12:16 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I use the "Hitler was the Chancellor." bit every time someone references Wikipedia.
12:16 Helenah; But he has good things about him too
12:16 DaemonFC; Specifically, an article that's been pruned by government censors or PR firms.
12:16 Helenah; And I see both good and bad in all people
12:16 Helenah; Including DaemonFC
12:17 Helenah; even though I've been up their arse for hours...
12:17 TR News; Bittersweet moment: 5 years to the landmark Privacy judgement, but no data protection law yet! #SaveOurPrivacy <p><img src="/Features/" class="feature" align="left" width="" height="" alt="" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a class="readon" href="https://internetfreedom.in/5-years-to-the-landmark-privacy-judgement/">Read on</a>
12:17 TR Bot; Bittersweet moment: 5 years to the landmark Privacy judgement, but no data protection law yet! #SaveOurPrivacy
12:17 TR News; Bittersweet moment: 5 years to the landmark Privacy judgement, but no data protection law yet! #SaveOurPrivacy https://internetfreedom.in/5-years-to-the-landmark-privacy-judgement/ Source: Internet Freedom Foundation | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//internetfreedom.in/5-years-to-the-landmark-privacy-judgement/
12:18 TR News; Open source for beginners: setting up your dev environment with LXD | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/open-source-for-beginners-dev-environment-with-lxd Source: Ubuntubuzz | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntu.com//blog/open-source-for-beginners-dev-environment-with-lxd
12:18 TR Bot; source for beginners: setting up your dev environment with LXD | Ubuntu
12:18 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: he pisses off a lot of people
12:18 DaemonFC; My dad is one of those Nostradamus freaks.
12:18 schestowitz[TR]; male, female, the rest
12:18 schestowitz[TR]; he doesn't have a sense for people's feelings
12:18 DaemonFC; You know, he saw Hitler (Hister) and 9/11.
12:18 schestowitz[TR]; he just fires away
12:18 DaemonFC; Just not clearly enough that anyone would know.
12:18 schestowitz[TR]; Nostradamus didn't see Pusin [sic]
12:19 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Wo does? DaemonFC ?
12:19 Helenah; I can see that...
12:19 Helenah; I haven't denied that...
12:19 Helenah; I'm not naive to that
12:20 Helenah; But underneath it all, I see where there is good...
12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:20 Helenah; And that's not to say the bad doesn't matter because it does...
12:20 Helenah; They can improve...
12:20 schestowitz[TR]; he was traumatised over the years
12:20 schestowitz[TR]; he won't admit it
12:20 schestowitz[TR]; I knew him online since 2008 , I think
12:20 Helenah; hmm
12:21 schestowitz[TR]; hopping from one disaster to the next
12:21 Helenah; Yeah, that's not to say I've known him for a while, I only met him today.
12:21 Helenah; It's observation.
12:21 schestowitz[TR]; rejection, health, police, bankruptcy, marriage issues, financial agfain
12:21 schestowitz[TR]; I don't think I was even traumatised to such an effect
12:22 schestowitz[TR]; people I know who saw dead bodies or got bullied made promises to themselves, so they support mean politicians, don't trust people, look for vengeance
12:23 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Stockholm syndrome.
12:23 Helenah; I had it :'(
12:23 Helenah; I think I told you that... :'(
12:23 Helenah; You the manc...
12:23 Helenah; In Oldham...
12:24 Helenah; Your name is Roy
12:24 Helenah; DaemonFC's name is Ryan
12:24 Helenah; :3
12:24 TR News; cemu has become Free software (yussss!), but it's outsourcing to proprietary crap (noooo!) like Reddit and Microsoft's GitHub https://cemu.info/
12:24 TR Bot; Cemu Emulator
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; not in oldham
12:25 Helenah; Yes, you told me some tactics they use, I appreciated it. :3
12:25 Helenah; Oh
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; I'm opp. man city stadium
12:25 Helenah; You mentioned a few places.
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; a friend of mine moved to oldham area
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; Ryan has a blog
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; you can find out about his life there
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; https://baronhk.wordpress.com
12:26 TR Bot; BaronHK's Rants
12:27 Helenah; hmm
12:27 DaemonFC; It's occurred to me that I don't actually remember very much of my childhood anymore.
12:28 DaemonFC; Just parts of it.
12:28 DaemonFC; Places and things more than events.
12:28 Helenah; My childhood was different...
12:28 Helenah; to most peoples childhood
12:28 Helenah; I told techuser about it
12:29 DaemonFC; I don't know if it's because there's some kind of a block there or what.
12:29 Helenah; Yeah you get trauma blocks
12:29 Helenah; that block your traumatic experiences out
12:29 Helenah; Did you have PTSD by any chance?
12:30 DaemonFC; Not diagnosed.
12:31 DaemonFC; It's like "Swiss Cheese memory". I can remember pieces, but like, the names and faces of classmates are gone, school teachers, gone for the most part.
12:32 DaemonFC; I couldn't tell you anything about my school teachers up through about 1995 or so because I just don't remember.
12:32 DaemonFC; Except this really mean art teacher named Mrs. Wimmer.
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; most of my dreams are full of memories from school days
12:33 schestowitz[TR]; and childhood, even disproportionate amount
12:33 DaemonFC; Probably the only reason I remember her is because I remember how much I hated her and art class and how she kept giving me Fs and it was the only thing I was getting Fs in at that point. Everything else was fine.
12:34 TR News; (NEW): xisxwayland 2 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/xisxwayland_2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/xisxwayland_2.gmi
12:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines xisxwayland 2"
12:34 DaemonFC; Today there isn't even an art class.
12:34 TR News; (NEW): PanWriter: Distraction-free writing tool https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/PanWriter_Distraction_free_writing_tool.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/PanWriter_Distraction_free_writing_tool.gmi
12:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines PanWriter: Distraction-free writing tool
12:34 DaemonFC; They took so much money from the schools that there's no art class anymore.
12:35 DaemonFC; Being an obedient worker doesn't require art appreciation.
12:35 DaemonFC; Out it goes!
12:35 DaemonFC; Uncle Bill's Common Core incoming.
12:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], For 8 years I just stopped having dealings with anyone.
12:36 DaemonFC; From about 2008 to late 2015. So like 7 years and change.
12:37 DaemonFC; I started sleeping during the day and being awake at night specificulally to avoid people.
12:37 DaemonFC; That was going well. I should have kept it up.
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; there are other upsides
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; you can use computer resources overnight
12:37 schestowitz[TR]; if you are nucturna
12:38 TR News; (NEW): Linux-First AI Image Upscaler Upscayl Released its First Version https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Linux_First_AI_Image_Upscaler_Upscayl_Released_its_First_Versio.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Linux_First_AI_Image_Upscaler_Upscayl_Released_its_First_Versio.gmi
12:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux-First AI Image Upscaler Upscayl Released its First Version
12:38 DaemonFC; If it started raining and I wanted to sit on my back porch and watch it, I could just do that.
12:38 schestowitz[TR]; there are also jobs that require being aware at nights
12:38 schestowitz[TR]; like my job
12:38 schestowitz[TR]; so you can be better off being nucturnal
12:38 schestowitz[TR]; it's a scarcity
12:38 DaemonFC; Nobody was there to bother me. For almost 8 years I nearly completely avoided people.
12:38 DaemonFC; I even did the shopping at night.
12:38 DaemonFC; WHy did I ever stop that? It was so much better than this.
12:39 DaemonFC; It's best if nobody even knows you're there.
12:39 DaemonFC; Nobody can even think to bother you. They don't see you anymore. Out of sight, out of mind.
12:40 DaemonFC; The police don't even bother you at night. Why would they?
12:40 DaemonFC; There's less of them, they're nowhere around, and it's dark outside.
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> I even did the shopping at night.
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; some place are open late, yes
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; and no queues
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; and nicer staff
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; not overestressed
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; so confrontational tone less likely
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; also you protect their job
12:41 schestowitz[TR]; by coming late
12:42 MinceR; that's what she said.
12:42 DaemonFC; If I have regrets, it was breaking that string. I sleep better during the day anyway.
12:42 DaemonFC; I only got an hour and a half of sleep last night.
12:42 DaemonFC; I'll have to go back to bed here soon.
12:42 DaemonFC; I hate that Mandy won't change his schedule.
12:42 schestowitz[TR]; I split the sleep into 2 or 3
12:43 schestowitz[TR]; since covid-19 lockdowns
12:43 DaemonFC; I hate waking up at 4 AM just to take him to work.
12:43 schestowitz[TR]; before that went to gym and stuff outdoors
12:43 schestowitz[TR]; when that stopped I could reassess the sleep allocsations etc.
12:44 TR News; (NEW): Daniel Stenberg: What if I vanished? https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Daniel_Stenberg_What_if_I_vanished.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Daniel_Stenberg_What_if_I_vanished.gmi
12:44 TR Bot; Tux Machines Daniel Stenberg: What if I vanished?
12:44 DaemonFC; "There is frequently a violation of the person's core assumptions about the world and their human rights, putting the person in a state of extreme confusion and insecurity. This is seen when institutions depended upon for survival violate, humiliate, betray, or cause major losses or separations instead of evoking aspects like positive self worth, safe boundaries and personal freedom."
12:44 DaemonFC; Over and over again.
12:45 schestowitz[TR]; soiurce?
12:45 TR News; "The Test Center team is happy to deliver the next major release of Test Center, version 3.0, offering support for Squish Coco coverage reports. You can now browse and analyze your code coverage reports right next to your test reports stored in Test Center." https://www.qt.io/blog/test-center-3.0-available-now
12:45 TR Bot; Test Center 3.0 Available Now
12:46 TR News; "Whether for music, communication, or notifications, audio is an important feature of many personal computer systems. In a new FreeBSD system, an audio card will need to be configured to process audio files and send them to the connected speakers." https://www.fosslife.org/quick-and-easy-guide-setting-audio-freebsd
12:46 TR Bot; A Quick and Easy Guide to Setting Up Audio on FreeBSD
12:47 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/allyourfaultson.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-allyourfaultson#comic )
12:47 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
12:47 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> soiurce?
12:47 DaemonFC; Wikipedia.
12:48 DaemonFC; You know, my parents were fighting all the time.
12:48 DaemonFC; As far back as I can remember. Over everything. It was just stupid.
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; wikipedia has deteriorated
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; because it gained value the PR agennts and gov. actors took over
12:48 DaemonFC; Usually it was my mom spent some money or something and my dad was yelling at her for it and then she'd one up him by picking up something and hitting him with it.
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; and use it as a PR tool now
12:49 DaemonFC; Of course, you can't go to the police if you're a man.
12:49 DaemonFC; She'll just turn it around on you and they'll arrest you after she finished hitting you.
12:49 DaemonFC; I suppose that's why he never went to the police about anything.
12:49 TR News; Wladimir Palant: Attack surface of extension pages https://palant.info/2022/08/24/attack-surface-of-extension-pages/
12:50 TR Bot; Attack surface of extension pages | Almost Secure
12:50 DaemonFC; She would beat me all over the house.
12:50 DaemonFC; Spit on me. What the hell am I going to do about it? Hit my mother?
12:50 TR News; intel: split vulkan driver between gfx7/8 and above (!18208) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18208 Source: Linux
12:50 TR Bot; intel: split vulkan driver between gfx7/8 and above (!18208) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
12:50 DaemonFC; That's how the police take you to a facility for delinquents.
12:51 DaemonFC; She's even physically attacked me several times as an adult.
12:51 schestowitz[TR]; spit on you?
12:51 schestowitz[TR]; that's... strange
12:51 DaemonFC; Just knowing I wouldn't hit her back.
12:51 DaemonFC; Yeah.
12:51 schestowitz[TR]; it is not even sanitary
12:51 schestowitz[TR]; sooner or later the house gets filled with her saliva
12:52 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], It's not possible to have a normal relationship with anyone around me I guess. Sooner or later they all start abusing me somehow.
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; could bw orse
12:52 schestowitz[TR]; you could be unemployeed nurse navigator
12:52 DaemonFC; I'm just glad this one isn't hitting me and fucking everything on an app.
12:53 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> you could be unemployeed nurse navigator
12:53 DaemonFC; Her LinkedIn says she's employed.
12:53 DaemonFC; Part time at two places.
12:54 DaemonFC; But they really did a double whammy on her at the cancer hospital.
12:54 TR News; "mold is a fancy new linker that's really fast." https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17992
12:54 DaemonFC; Less important job title and reduced hours.
12:54 TR Bot; ci: Use mold for x86-64 and AArch64 builds (!17992) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
12:55 TR News; fwupd in BSDs? https://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/kernel/2022-August/320332.html https://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/kernel/2022-August/320331.html
12:55 TR Bot; Adding ESRT and EFI vars support for fwupd
12:55 TR Bot; Adding ESRT and EFI vars support for fwupd
12:55 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], The CEO of the company had been panicking for years about their revenue.
12:56 DaemonFC; Mandy said "Oh yeah, she said they were in trouble because of Obamacare.".
12:56 DaemonFC; I said, "No, they're in trouble because insurance doesn't pay for woo woo and people who could afford it can't afford it anymore.".
12:57 DaemonFC; Half of what Cancer Treatment Centers of America does is cancer treatment, and the other half is woo woo.
12:57 TR News; Draft: radv: Switch to 100% dynamic rendering (!15587) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15587/diffs?commit_id=5197504cca7087ef7ddbc5666da4f16c9b7318be
12:57 TR Bot; Draft: radv: Switch to 100% dynamic rendering (!15587) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
12:57 DaemonFC; Just strictly to run the bill sky high.
12:58 TR News; "Ill discuss all the changes to the example extension one by one. But you can download the ZIP file with the complete extension source code here." https://palant.info/2022/08/24/attack-surface-of-extension-pages/
12:58 TR Bot; Attack surface of extension pages | Almost Secure
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 75.26 k/sec., IPFS upstream 120.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 114.55
13:02 TR News; Those who 0.0% stake in Twitter's future will just grin at this https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/08/mudge-files-whistleblower-complaint-against-twitter.html
13:02 TR Bot; Files Whistleblower Complaint against Twitter - Schneier on Security
13:02 DaemonFC; https://palant.info/2022/04/19/adobe-acrobat-hollowing-out-same-origin-policy/
13:02 TR Bot; Adobe Acrobat hollowing out same-origin policy | Almost Secure
13:02 DaemonFC; "To my surprise, the extension itself did almost nothing despite having a quite considerable code size."
13:02 DaemonFC; Adobe
13:02 DaemonFC; :)
13:04 TR News; "Between 2022-08-17 and 2022-08-24 there were 24 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 256 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 9.4 % of total released titles." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-08-24-edition/
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13:04 TR Bot; New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-08-24 Edition - Boiling Steam
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13:13 *Helenah hugs schestowitz[TR]
13:13 *Helenah gives schestowitz[TR] a hamper of chocolates
13:13 *Helenah gives techuser a hamper of chocolates
13:13 *Helenah gives MinceR a hamper of chocolates
13:13 *Helenah gives mjg59_ a hamper of chocolates
13:13 Helenah; :3
13:13 Helenah; Awwww
13:14 schestowitz[TR]; thanks
13:16 TR News; (NEW): A New Raspberry Pi Powered Laptop - The CrowPi-L" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/A_New_Raspberry_Pi_Powered_Laptop_The_CrowPi_L.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/A_New_Raspberry_Pi_Powered_Laptop_The_CrowPi_L.gmi
13:16 TR Bot; Tux Machines A New Raspberry Pi Powered Laptop - The CrowPi-L
13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
13:21 TR News; "With all of this inflation that the world has been seeing the last while, it has resulted in various central banks tightening policy in order to stamp it out." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/recession-twitch.gmi
13:22 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: :3
13:22 Helenah; You're most welcome
13:22 TR News; "Something that has been of concern to me in recent years is the strange cult of the hustle that has been metastasizing on the web. Theres a fetishization of workaholism that a vocal group have been pushing." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/hustle-porn.gmi
13:22 TR News; "Realms like the much talked about gig economy have also been infected by this with food delivery people, quasi taxi services, and whatever it is that Fiver does encouraging people to grind away at their task." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/hustle-porn.gmi
13:23 TR News; "Robyn has this song Call your girlfriend and its such a beautiful melody. Its easy to understand why its such a widely-covered and well-beloved song." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/call-your-girlfriend
13:25 TR News; "Instead, I wouldve expected capitalist proponents to trust that their pet system could handle the invention of bits, harddrives, and TCP/IP without having to introduce fictions and ghosts like intellectual property as a monopoly-enforcing band-aid" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/capital-and-copyright
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13:47 schestowitz[TR]; wb, matteobin
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; hopefully more onn-topic now
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; we think abotu doing a video abourt your suggestion
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; for irc in italy
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; and many "farms" of chats
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; instead of outsourced socialm control media
13:47 matteobin; Thanks, schestowitz[TR]
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; jyst need to research the matter a bit
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; based on netsplit.de italy has many irc networks
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; some quite large
13:48 matteobin; That would be interesting. Do you know XMPP? Do you need help?
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; xmpp is good too
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; we used to use that at work for ages
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; until some idiots who fancy "CLOWN COMPUTING" came top the company
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; xmpp can do chatrooms also
13:49 matteobin; Really? What job was that? Here we have all MS tech. Unfortunately. :(
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; IT job
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; https://netsplit.de/networks/IRCItalia.eu/
13:50 TR Bot; NO TITLE
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; https://netsplit.de/networks/IRCserveR_Italia/
13:50 TR Bot; NO TITLE
13:50 matteobin; Yes, XMPP is a mix between email and chat, like the infamous WhatsApp
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; https://netsplit.de/networks/Italian-Amici/
13:50 TR Bot; NO TITLE
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; https://netsplit.de/networks/GlobalIRC.it/
13:50 TR Bot; NO TITLE
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13:51 schestowitz[TR]; "During last connections to GlobalIRC.it its servers reported an average of 1629 users and 50 chat rooms. Use the following menu to get more information about IRC network GlobalIRC.it!
13:51 schestowitz[TR]; "
13:51 schestowitz[TR]; https://netsplit.de/networks/IRCGate.it/
13:51 TR Bot; NO TITLE
13:51 matteobin; I didn't know about all these Italian channels, maybe they'll like GNU/Linux in there too!
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; THEY ARE N NETWORKS ... oops caps
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, caps lock
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; they are not channels but networks
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; and I noticed them some months ago
13:52 TR News; Links 24/08/2022: xisxwayland 2 and Test Center 3.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/test-center-3-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/24/test-center-3-0/
13:52 TR Bot; Links 24/08/2022: xisxwayland 2 and Test Center 3.0 | Techrights
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:18] <Techrights-sec> 10:04:57 matteobin; My dream would be if the state used a free or
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:18] <Techrights-sec> open decentralised infrustructre. For instance in Italy we could have at
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:18] <Techrights-sec> least one XMPP server per region. That would be rad!
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:20] <schestowitz-TR2> yes, good idea
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:20] <schestowitz-TR2> I noticed quite a few large italian irc servers
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:20] <schestowitz-TR2> when I studied netsplit.net
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:20] <schestowitz-TR2> *.de
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:30] <Techrights-sec>
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:30] <Techrights-sec> that ^ x 1000
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:30] <Techrights-sec> they already waste money fighting social control media, running their own
13:53 matteobin; Sorry, I don't know much about how IRC networks work.
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:30] <Techrights-sec> service would in some ways probably be less effort, overall, but the ROI
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:30] <Techrights-sec> for the effot it would require would be great. The technical side would not
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:30] <Techrights-sec> be too hard, maybe a few FTE for redundancy, but there would have to be
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:30] <Techrights-sec> teams managing the interaction properly
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:30] <Techrights-sec> there are also matters of defense, rumor control, and sovreignty which are
13:53 schestowitz-TR2; [11:31] <Techrights-sec> hard to put a monetary value on but are valuable nonetheless
13:54 TR News; (NEW): Red Hat Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Red_Hat_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Red_Hat_Leftovers.gmi
13:54 TR Bot; Tux Machines Red Hat Leftovers"
13:55 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi
13:55 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
13:56 matteobin; That's all good to me! I don't know if our politics would ever be able to understand how much Free Software and open technology are valuable, since they are not able to understand basic human rights. Have you ever heard of Salvini or Meloni?
13:57 matteobin; Anyway the good thing about XMPP is that people would stop using WhatsApp as the primary communication method.
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; https://web.archive.org/web/20080325181646/http://twitter.com/jzemlin
13:59 TR Bot; Twitter / jzemlin
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; he deleted all his tweets ^
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; matteobin: all those foreign-owned comms tools should be shunned
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; it's not hard to host one's own
13:59 matteobin; I'm a huge fan of public libraries. In my dream world we would have something similar for common shared digital services, like internet browsing (we already have that at libraries), email, XMMP or VoIP. A public and cozy Free Software server farm.
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; zemlin:
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; "etting up twitter instead of sleeping 01:29 AM February 28, 2008 from im
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; Still can't sleep 01:26 AM February 28, 2008 from im
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; Insomnia 01:17 AM February 28, 2008 from web "
14:00 techuser; "free software" looks like a lie these days
14:00 techuser; corporations do parasite on it
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; that's called "Open Source"
14:01 matteobin; Corporations do, but what about individuals or collectives?
14:01 techuser; Lennart Poettering?
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://web.archive.org/web/20080924033722/http://twitter.com/jzemlin/statuses/898000813
14:01 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20080924033722/http://twitter.com/jzemlin/statuses/898000813 )
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; "Gmail went down while I am on vacation. Thanks Google!"-zemlin
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; "Just did my first microloan."
14:02 matteobin; Why is this relevant? Maybe I missed something.
14:17 schestowitz[TR]; which part?
14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
14:35 Helenah; o.o
14:36 *Helenah dances around the rooom while waving her hand
14:36 TR News; Jim Zemlins Wife (at Bakkt) Seems to be Running a Pyramid Scheme or a Scam, Preying on Gullible People | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/bakkt-scam/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/24/bakkt-scam/
14:36 TR Bot; Jim Zemlins Wife (at Bakkt) Seems to be Running a Pyramid Scheme or a Scam, Preying on Gullible People | Techrights
14:37 TR News; CoCs let corporations spin fact-finding and investigations (against corporations) as "harassment"
14:47 matteobin; schestowitz[TR]: The part about the tweets of the former Twitter user called Jim Zemlin
14:48 TR News; Delete Twitter. Today. https://www.maketecheasier.com/ex-security-head-twitter-whistleblower/
14:48 TR Bot; Ex Security Head at Twitter Becomes Whistleblower - Make Tech Easier
14:48 schestowitz[TR]; matteobin: he deleted all his tweets
14:48 schestowitz[TR]; some are incriminating to some extent
14:48 matteobin; Who is that guy? Do you know him?
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; chief of 'Linux' Foundation
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation
14:50 TR Bot; Linux Foundation - Techrights
14:50 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/elbows.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-elbows#comic )
14:50 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wiki/Jim_Zemlin
14:50 TR Bot; Jim Zemlin - Techrights
14:50 matteobin; What did he do to be incriminated?
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; these people basically attack Linux... as a project
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; they try to turn it into a product of Microsoft, VMware etc.
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; i.e. gpl violators
14:50 matteobin; I'll read the article you posted.
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; and they promote github
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; ti hed developers into the cage of Microsoft
14:50 matteobin; Meh :(
14:51 schestowitz[TR]; *to hed
14:51 schestowitz[TR]; *to herd
14:51 schestowitz[TR]; they also bribe publishers for PR
14:51 schestowitz[TR]; and prkmtioon of diploma mills
14:51 schestowitz[TR]; so of course the media rarely talks about these issues and seldom says anything bad about LF
14:52 schestowitz[TR]; while it does habitually makee snide remarks on Torvalds
14:52 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists/
14:52 TR Bot; [Meme] They Send Linus Torvalds to Therapists While Microsoft Pays Their Full Salary | Techrights
14:52 matteobin; Mills? What does the word mill mean?
14:52 MinceR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma_mill
14:52 TR Bot; Diploma mill - Wikipedia
14:54 TR News; Empty promises: more internet shutdowns during exams in MENA - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/empty-promises-shutdowns-exams/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/empty-promises-shutdowns-exams/
14:54 TR Bot; Empty promises: more internet shutdowns during exams in MENA - Access Now
14:54 techuser; how many of the exams actually matter?
14:55 techuser; there are some jobs which require to be fast
14:55 techuser; but others don't
14:55 techuser; we have Stack Overflow programmers for example
14:56 matteobin; Well The Linux Foundation seems pretty bad!
14:56 TR News; Monopolies-controlled w3c to BREAK the Web to herd all sites into the "trust" scheme of Pentagon cartel. They'd block any sites that the cabal does not fancy giving a cert to. Really awful. https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/22/w3cs_transition_https/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium
14:56 TR Bot; W3C's planned transition to HTTPS stymied by legacy laggards The Register
14:56 TR Bot; World Wide Web Consortium - Techrights
14:57 TR News; w3c: DRM GOOD, legacy and backward compatibility (or self-signed certs) BAD. http://techrights.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium
14:57 TR News; Hopefully WWW will die in a fire in the next 10 years
14:58 TR News; Old: Techrights Calls for Tim Berners-Lee to Drop DRM Support, Regain Control of (Currently Corporations-run) W3C http://techrights.org/2013/06/01/w3c-and-drm/
14:58 TR Bot; Techrights Calls for Tim Berners-Lee to Drop DRM Support, Regain Control of (Currently Corporations-run) W3C | Techrights
14:59 TR News; Tim B-L is a JavaScript relic, powered by proprietary Microsoft GitHub. Not what he was at CERN with his SUN box
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 113.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 119.30
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15:02 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos " https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
15:02 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos"
15:03 TR News; (NEW): Today in Techrights https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Today_in_Techrights.gmi
15:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 9.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 152.88 average k/sec., average swarm size 124.11
17:17 phanes; Ariadne, re: kiwi/fiberhub, I can't find it ethical to go after someone through their hosting provider and I think it sets a dangerous precedent. Might improve the state of things to encourage legal or social action against kiwi in lieu of targeting their hosting.
17:18 phanes; I don't disagree that their user's behaviour on that issue is absolute trash though
17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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17:31 TR News; "Recently, I've been experiencing a bit of a dip in my mental health. Prolonged ill health (in the form of two successive kidney stone incidents, one of which required an operation) has left me in a rut, while the pandemic hasn't helped." gemini://themby.smol.pub/2022-08-23
17:31 schestowitz__[TR]; "As I write this, I'm in the midst of removing my blog from my website, reintegrating all the timely content that once ran alongside big internet and turning it into something somewhat timeless.
17:31 schestowitz__[TR]; " gemini://xiu.smol.pub/1661302403
17:33 TR News; gmi
17:33 TR News; TELOPSC Wordo: KLOOF gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-24.gmi
17:34 TR News; "I use Merriam-Webster's dictionary as a reference for SpellBinding. I've never had a single issue with them until today." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-23.missing.word.gmi
17:35 TR News; "Writing long essays is fun. It's enjoyable to be able to express an idea, work on it a bit, mold it, pull out the imperfections, and show it off to the world. It can feel like a timeless accomplishment, rather than a temporal quip on social media." gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/longform.gmi
17:36 TR News; My best guess at a climate solution gemini://idiomdrottning.org/solution "No more extracting oil, coal, or gas."
17:37 TR News; "Weve rationed energy in the past and we need to do it again. This is also an efficient way to cut proof-of-work systems since a ban on it (which I would definitively welcome) is hard to enforce." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/solution
17:37 TR News; Lost a Bike, Made a Bag, Bought Trousers gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-08-24-lost-a-bike-made-a-bag-bought-trousers.gmi
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17:50 TR News; The Linux Foundation is a bit of a fraud, but it is connected to other frauds and charlatans, who dont care about Linux and dodge ethical standards http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/bakkt-scam/
17:50 TR Bot; Jim Zemlins Wife (at Bakkt) Seems to be Running a Pyramid Scheme or a Scam, Preying on Gullible People | Techrights
17:51 TR News; (NEW): The Future of NGINX: Getting Back to Our Open Source Roots https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/The_Future_of_NGINX_Getting_Back_to_Our_Open_Source_Roots.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/The_Future_of_NGINX_Getting_Back_to_Our_Open_Source_Roots.gmi
17:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines The Future of NGINX: Getting Back to Our Open Source Roots"
17:52 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.2.gmi
17:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
17:52 XRevan86; The Life of Ryan: "I'm not anti-trans, I just don't like Keith in particular."
17:53 XRevan86; But also: "Trans women. It's like denying a force of nature."
17:54 XRevan86; scientes: "have you ever coded ARM thumb code?" <- That would be a "no".
17:54 TR News; Linux Mint 21 | Cinnamon Desktop is Awesome - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4CYwYXLTJso | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/4CYwYXLTJso
17:54 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 | Cinnamon Desktop is Awesome - Invidious
17:54 techuser; I hate sexes/genders
17:54 XRevan86; CrystalMath: "i kinda like TeX, but i sometimes joke about how elitist it is" <- There's always LyX, right?
17:54 techuser; just a basis of discrimination and a cause of suffering
17:54 techuser; and reproduction doesn't help anyway
17:55 XRevan86; schestowitz: "putin turns 70 in 2 months" <- That's the face of eternal youth :)
17:56 TR News; Googles 1984 Moment | Coder Radio 480 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149657/googles-1984-moment-coder-radio-480/
17:56 TR Bot; Google's 1984 Moment | Coder Radio 480 | Jupiter Broadcasting
17:56 XRevan86; DaemonFC: "I don't think ICQ is still around." <- But it is, owned by VK, although irrelevant even at the market it's trying to target.
17:57 TR News; When ACTUAL pedophiles upload pedo stuff to Google but work for Bill Gates http://techrights.org/2020/08/18/rick-jones-beach-fetish/
17:57 TR Bot; Detectives Found That Bill Gates Engineer Took Photos of Latino Boys at the Beach. His Child Pornography Files Included Similar Material. | Techrights
17:57 XRevan86; darwin: "it's good in recent years they finally returned RSS" <- They did? I use an add-on.
17:58 TR News; "We're spooked to learn how one man's life has been turned upside down just because he used Google Photos." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149657/googles-1984-moment-coder-radio-480/
17:58 TR News; Release: Police Report About Arrest of Bill Gates Engineer for Pedophilia (Detained at Residence of Bill Gates) http://techrights.org/2020/08/04/police-report-gates-residence-arrest/
17:58 TR Bot; Release: Police Report About Arrest of Bill Gates Engineer for Pedophilia (Detained at Residence of Bill Gates) | Techrights
17:58 TR News; Release: 29 Pages of Internet Access Report About Pedophile Working for Bill Gates at His Home http://techrights.org/2020/08/04/report-about-gates-mansion-pedophile/
17:58 TR Bot; Release: 29 Pages of Internet Access Report About Pedophile Working for Bill Gates at His Home | Techrights
17:58 XRevan86; DaemonFC: "Makes you wonder about people. They're worried about getting something that nobody's died of because of vanity concerns, but not of HIV." <- There are recorded deaths from monkeypox.
17:58 TR News; Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/jones-search-warrant/
17:58 TR Bot; Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia | Techrights
17:59 TR News; Release: Several Police Reports About Searching the Home of Bill Gates Engineer (Stockpiles of Child Pornography Found Along With Illegal Firearm) http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/gates-eng-police-search/
17:59 TR Bot; Release: Several Police Reports About Searching the Home of Bill Gates Engineer (Stockpiles of Child Pornography Found Along With Illegal Firearm) | Techrights
17:59 TR News; Release: Bill Gates Engineer Busted for More Child Pornography Than Reported in the Media http://techrights.org/2020/08/10/rick-allen-jones-anomaly/
17:59 TR Bot; Release: Bill Gates Engineer Busted for More Child Pornography Than Reported in the Media | Techrights
17:59 TR News; Imagine sucking up to Bill Gates... in 2022!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh1kZD7EVj0
17:59 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Sh1kZD7EVj0
17:59 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Is Windows Bad? - Invidious
18:00 TR News; Jim Zemlin Idolises Bill Gates http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/jim-admires-bill/
18:00 TR Bot; Sheela Microsoft (Zemlin) Does Not Like Linux and Jim Zemlin Idolises Bill Gates | Techrights
18:01 TR News; "Mozilla has released security updates to address vulnerabilities in Firefox, Firefox ESR, and Thunderbird. An attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/23/mozilla-releases-security-updates-firefox-firefox-esr-and
18:01 TR Bot; Mozilla Releases Security Updates for Firefox, Firefox ESR, and Thunderbird | CISA
18:03 TR News; Gulag: we catch pedophiles. Also Gulag: we hire them. https://www.gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-teens-spied-on-chats
18:03 TR Bot; GCreep: Google Engineer Stalked Teens, Spied on Chats (Updated)
18:05 TR News; "In this article, I will show you various Flatpak commands that make you a pro Flatpak user." https://www.debugpoint.com/flatpak-commands/ Source: DebugPoint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.debugpoint.com/flatpak-commands/
18:05 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/flatpak-commands/ )
18:05 XRevan86; CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-22-08-23
18:05 TR Bot; Dispatch for August 22 Telegraph
18:05 TR News; How to Use Your Smartphone as a Second Monitor for Your Linux Desktop https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/How_to_Use_Your_Smartphone_as_a_Second_Monitor_for_Your_Linux_D.shtml
18:05 TR Bot; Tux Machines How to Use Your Smartphone as a Second Monitor for Your Linux Desktop
18:06 TR News; The 12 GHz Band Is the Easy Case for Spectrum Sharing. Let the FCC Do Its Job. - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/the-12-ghz-band-is-the-easy-case-for-spectrum-sharing-let-the-fcc-do-its-job/ Source: Public Knowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/the-12-ghz-band-is-the-easy-case-for-spectrum-sharing-let-the-fcc-do-its-job/
18:06 TR Bot; The 12 GHz Band Is the Easy Case for Spectrum Sharing. Let the FCC Do Its Job. - Public Knowledge
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18:18 TR News; Why the Atari 2600s Joystick Port Became a De Facto Standard https://tedium.co/2022/08/24/atari-2600-joystick-port-history/ Source: Tedium | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/08/24/atari-2600-joystick-port-history/
18:18 TR Bot; Why the Atari 2600s Joystick Port Became a De Facto Standard
18:20 TR News; Jonathan Dowland: Our Study, 2022 https://jmtd.net/log/study/2022/
18:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:20 TR Bot; jmtd log study Our Study, 2022
18:20 Helenah; So one of the biggest mistakes one my girlfriends grandads claims to have made in the second world war was not shooting a kid. The kid was a soldier who when having a gun pointed at him would crying for his mother and her grandad couldn't bring himself to kill him. That day, one of his soldiers was shot in the back and killed by that same kid.
18:20 TR News; [Intel-gfx] [PULL] drm-intel-gt-next https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2022-August/303966.html Source: Zx2c4 | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2022-August/303966.html
18:20 TR Bot; [Intel-gfx] [PULL] drm-intel-gt-next
18:22 TR News; With energy prices soaring do you want this liability? https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-gpu-flex-series
18:22 TR Bot; Announces Data Center GPU Flex Series Review - Phoronix
18:26 TR News; "Zero-Trust" - misused buzzwords (albeit not originally) https://containerjournal.com/features/buoyant-updates-linkerd-to-simplify-zero-trust-security/
18:26 TR Bot; Buoyant Updates Linkerd to Simplify Zero-Trust Security - Container Journal
18:27 TR News; sudo apt update vs upgrade: Whats the Difference? - Its FOSS https://itsfoss.com/apt-update-vs-upgrade/ Source: Its FOSS | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itsfoss.com/apt-update-vs-upgrade/
18:27 TR Bot; sudo apt update vs upgrade: What's the Difference? - It's FOSS
18:28 TR News; (NEW): Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.gmi
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18:28 TR Bot; Tux Machines Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New
18:28 TR News; (NEW): #HowTo Use Your Smartphone as a Second Monitor for Your Linux Desktop" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/How_to_Use_Your_Smartphone_as_a_Second_Monitor_for_Your_Linux_D.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/How_to_Use_Your_Smartphone_as_a_Second_Monitor_for_Your_Linux_D.gmi
18:28 TR News; (NEW): Security: Patches, Holes, and More https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Security_Patches_Holes_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Security_Patches_Holes_and_More.gmi
18:28 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security: Patches, Holes, and More
18:29 TR News; You asked. We acted: Red Hat Customer Portal launches improved technical documentation user experience https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/you-asked-we-acted-red-hat-customer-portal-launches-improved-technical-documentation-user-experience Source: Red Hat Official
18:29 TR Bot; You asked. We acted: Red Hat Customer Portal launches improved technical documentation user experience
18:30 TR News; Blogspam/webspam ... sigh https://linuxsecurity.com/features/how-ravendb-has-earned-the-trust-of-hundreds-of-companies
18:30 TR Bot; How RavenDB Has Earned the Trust of Hundreds of Companies | LinuxSe...
18:33 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: good day today?
18:33 Ariadne; phanes: i agree that joshua should be sued for the harassment he enables, but he makes himself difficult to serve papers on
18:33 phanes; so does matt
18:34 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1549876810309148672-scaled.jpg
18:34 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Yes. :)
18:34 TR News; Nibble Stew: Random things on designing a text format for books https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/08/random-things-on-designing-text-format.html Source: Jussi Pakkanen | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/08/random-things-on-designing-text-format.html
18:34 TR Bot; Nibble Stew: Random things on designing a text format for books
18:35 Ariadne; i do not think that asking fiberhub and cloudflare to examine their own roles in operating a doxing website is unreasonable though
18:35 TR News; (NEW): GStreamer for your backend services https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/GStreamer_for_your_backend_services.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/GStreamer_for_your_backend_services.gmi
18:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines GStreamer for your backend services
18:35 Ariadne; as far as i am concerned it is a similar nuisance to a botnet C&C. shutting down a C&C through technical means provides immediate harm reduction
18:35 phanes; Ariadne, hosting providers should be content-neutral to protect content creators that may go against the grain but are necessary
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; "content-neutral" has its limits
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; not just ethical but legal
18:36 phanes; that unfortunately means that some bad guys misuse that
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; Intnerte Archive had issues with ISIS uploading beheading vids
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; Iceland also
18:37 schestowitz[TR]; the operators won't go like,
18:37 phanes; without that neutrality you have a caustic dystopian environment where if you're not smiling and agreeing with corporate malfeasance or caustic generational cultural mishaps then you get canceled
18:37 schestowitz[TR]; "oh, cool, today we served 100,000 requests for this guy getting his head sawed off"
18:37 Ariadne; content neutrality does not include coordinating peoples efforts to commit crimes
18:37 phanes; it does -- the courts should handle illegal content not the hosting providers
18:38 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> "Free Speech Absolutist" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/23/free-speech-absolutist-elon-musk-pens-column-for-chinese-censorship-agency/ | Source: Techdirt
18:38 TR Bot; Speech Absolutist Elon Musk Pens Column For Chinese Censorship Agency | Techdirt
18:38 phanes; thats how you prevent an era where people are afraid of their hosting providers to post controversial content
18:38 Ariadne; many of the people who are targeted by kiwifarms do not have the resources to make use of the court system
18:38 phanes; oh no doubt, there needs to be some kind of class action
18:38 Ariadne; again the site literally doxes children
18:39 phanes; i envision kiwi ending much the way alex jones did (minus the deplatforming, which is unethical)
18:39 schestowitz[TR]; usually it bolls down to public interest
18:39 schestowitz[TR]; which public? that's a tricky one
18:39 phanes; in this way a court provides actual justice and the owner is stripped of his wealth instead of being deplatformed in a way where he will adapt his model to be immune to the next attempt to stop him
18:40 phanes; a hosting provider should serve one purpose: converting money into content delivery, agnostic of that content
18:40 schestowitz[TR]; [17:05] <techrights-news> China having a field day over US mistreatment of publishers like Wikileaks https://yewtu.be/watch?v=a7ifDWw4NRo
18:41 TR Bot; China: Claims of CIA spying on lawyers for Assange again reflect US hypocrisy on human rights - Invidious
18:41 Ariadne; i mean i think that joshua should face criminal liability for his role in this
18:41 schestowitz[TR]; in the west the standsards for deplatforming are being lowered
18:41 MinceR; "they should be more like us, openly shitting on human rights!"
18:41 schestowitz[TR]; in china it's already, "anything the head of state doesn't fancy"
18:41 schestowitz[TR]; like in belarus
18:42 Ariadne; and some have faced criminal liability for their involvement in kiwifarms
18:42 Ariadne; already
18:42 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: they say something close
18:42 MinceR; that's because they're lying sacks of shit
18:42 schestowitz[TR]; they justify their own actions to the world and to their [sic] people
18:42 schestowitz[TR]; "look, even the west reached the same conclusions as us"
18:43 phanes; Ariadne, oh agreed 100% on criminal liability for joshua/kiwi
18:43 MinceR; also, maybe elongated muskrat is a "free speech absolutist" in the sense that he wants absolutely no free speech to exist whatsoever
18:43 phanes; shutting him down in the middle of the act may actually prevent that
18:43 schestowitz[TR]; [15:05] <techrights-news> Old: China is our real enemy says WikiLeaks' Assange https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-assange-idUKTRE70B5C420110112
18:43 TR Bot; is our real enemy says WikiLeaks' Assange | Reuters
18:44 MinceR; "we can only have one real enemy at a time"
18:44 schestowitz[TR]; true leader
18:44 schestowitz[TR]; real god
18:44 schestowitz[TR]; the one jehovah
18:44 Ariadne; anyway, cloudflare breaks the law by hosting the taliban
18:44 schestowitz[TR]; it's a sin to worship another
18:45 Ariadne; so thats another reason to dislike them
18:45 MinceR; imaginary frenemy
18:45 schestowitz[TR]; Ariadne: wait, clownflare serves GOP pages?
18:45 MinceR; so apparently crimeflare thinks that script blocking and Tor are both worse than the taliban
18:45 MinceR; interesting
18:46 schestowitz[TR]; Gulag direct women who seek abortion to ANTI-=abortion "clinics"
18:46 phanes; i would say that means they get the memo on what their purpose in civilization is
18:48 schestowitz[TR]; clownflare is weakening taliban
18:48 phanes; i remember when matt trout was filing false reports to linode on me a while back and almost got his ass hauled in front of a judge to explain himself
18:48 schestowitz[TR]; by controlling its traffic
18:48 schestowitz[TR]; and spying on who goes on taliban sites
18:48 schestowitz[TR]; think of it like FBI running poedo sites
18:48 schestowitz[TR]; like playpen
18:48 Ariadne; schestowitz[TR]: no i mean the actual taliban
18:48 schestowitz[TR]; taliban would be foolish to let us-based companies control the routing
18:49 schestowitz[TR]; Ariadne: but which country?
18:49 schestowitz[TR]; taliban has branches now
18:49 Ariadne; afghanistan
18:49 schestowitz[TR]; they even shake hands with the US offshot
18:49 phanes; Ariadne, in all fairness the us has a deal in effect with the taliban
18:49 phanes; signed feb 29 2020
18:50 phanes; why we are maintaining diplomatic relations with child killers and actual rapists is beyond me
18:50 Ariadne; yeah but they did this before then
18:51 Ariadne; and also ISIL
18:51 Ariadne; which we definitely dont have a deal with
18:51 phanes; true
18:51 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.thequint.com/news/world/un-security-council-endorses-us-taliban-peace-deal-2
18:51 TR Bot; UN Security Council Endorses US-Taliban Peace Deal in Afghanistan
18:51 phanes; i still think hosting providers need to be content-neutral and held harmless of any liability for the content they serve
18:52 schestowitz[TR]; Helsinki https://eu.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2020/06/27/russia-puts-bounty-american-troops-and-trump-does-nothing/3272420001/
18:52 TR Bot; Russia puts bounty on American troops and Trump does nothing
18:52 phanes; its a taliban problem, not a cloudflare problem, just as its an isil and kiwi problem, not a cloudflare problem
18:52 schestowitz[TR]; Trump thought Finland was part of Russia
18:52 schestowitz[TR]; maybe his boss told him so
18:52 schestowitz[TR]; maybe he knows something we don't know
18:52 schestowitz[TR]; putin's 70th year gift
18:52 MinceR; putler probably considers the entire universe to be part of orcland
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18:52 phanes; plot twist: trump was a russian plant sent to undermine us credibility diplomatic strategies
18:53 phanes; *credibility & diplomatic strategies
18:53 phanes; ^ this is not true but i want to see this movie
18:53 MinceR; he was the Moscovian Candidate
18:53 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: cheeto at 9pm
18:53 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/07/09/USAT/df4821e0-aa6e-429a-b9e1-e552fdf99831-GTY_1000209288.JPG?crop=4499,2531,x1,y70&width=2560
18:54 MinceR; that cdn is incredibly sluggish
18:54 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: they look liike they are made of wax
18:54 MinceR; but yeah, i can see it
18:54 phanes; deplatforming even horribly unethical content really is a slippery slope into a dystopian hellscape where those without blue hair cannot speak
18:54 MinceR; that's an insult to wax
18:54 schestowitz[TR]; glass?>
18:56 schestowitz[TR]; Putrump waxing lyrically
18:56 *schestowitz[TR] checks today's covid reports
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 145.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.06
19:09 XRevan86; CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-23-08-24
19:09 TR Bot; Dispatch for August 23 Telegraph
19:14 TR News; New COVID-19 Data Out 3 Hours Ago: This Summer's Hospitalisations Remain Extremely High (More Than Ten Times Higher Than 2020), Totals Doubled This Past Year and May Exceed 1,000,000 Next Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/24/hospitalisation-totals-doubled/
19:14 TR Bot; Blog Archive New COVID-19 Data Out 3 Hours Ago: This Summers Hospitalisations Remain Extremely High (More Than Ten Times Higher Than 2020), Totals Doubled This Past Year and May Exceed 1,000,000 Next Month
19:16 TR News; 1,000,000 in UK hospitals with COVID-19. More than 20% of them leave in a body bag. BillBC: We're made it!! COVID-19 is defeated. Also: buy more patented vaccine doses (patents Gates profits from... passing a fragment of the profits as more bribes to BillBC)
19:18 TR News; BillBC: it is distasteful to have disdain for criminal activity is the said criminals are BillBC sponsors.
19:18 schestowitz[TR]; *if the
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19:20 TR News; SPAMNIL Bhartiya relaying anti-Free software talking points again. The click-fraudsters has resorted to attacking "Open Source" for money... as if a need to make money excuses fraud and lying. Then again, 'Linux' Foundation does the same. Birds flock together...
19:22 TR News; Perl Weekly Challenge 179: Ordinal Numbers and Unicode Sparkline http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/08/perl-weekly-challenge-179-ordinal-numbers-and-unicode-sparkline.html
19:22 TR Bot; Weekly Challenge 179: Ordinal Numbers and Unicode Sparkline | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
19:22 TR News; (NEW): Neptune 7.5 "Ada" overview | an elegant out of the box experience. https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Neptune_7_5_Ada_overview_an_elegant_out_of_the_box_experience.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Neptune_7_5_Ada_overview_an_elegant_out_of_the_box_experience.gmi
19:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Neptune 7.5 "Ada" overview | an elegant out of the box experience.
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19:24 schestowitz[TR]; hi, loner
19:24 techuser; hi
19:26 TR News; (UDPATED): StarFive VisionFive 2 quad-core RISC-V SBC launched for $46 and up (Crowdfunding) (UPDATED) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/StarFive_VisionFive_2_quad_core_RISC_V_SBC_launched_for_46_and_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/StarFive_VisionFive_2_quad_core_RISC_V_SBC_launched_for_46_and_.gmi
19:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines StarFive VisionFive 2 quad-core RISC-V SBC launched for $46 and up (Crowdfunding) (UPDATED)
19:26 TR News; DevSpace 6: Client-only developer tool for cloud-native development with Kubernetes - Help Net Security https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/08/24/devspace-6-kubernetes/ Source: Help Net Security | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/08/24/devspace-6-kubernetes/
19:26 TR Bot; DevSpace 6: Client-only developer tool for cloud-native development with Kubernetes - Help Net Security
19:27 TR News; Hyping up GC, as usual, while openly and shamelessly promoting ciphers with back doors in them! https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/24/preparing-critical-infrastructure-post-quantum-cryptography
19:27 TR Bot; Preparing Critical Infrastructure for Post-Quantum Cryptography | CISA
19:27 TR News; It is widely known that those who exit the hospitals (alive afterwards, not in a body bag) have life-long or long-term damage. It happens most of the time. Those who survive dont live too well. So were not actually solving the problem. We just test less to blind ourselves to the problem. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/24/hospitalisation-totals-doubled/
19:34 TR News; (NEW): Wii U emulator Cemu 2.0 out, goes open source and gets Linux support https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Wii_U_emulator_Cemu_2_0_out_goes_open_source_and_gets_Linux_sup.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Wii_U_emulator_Cemu_2_0_out_goes_open_source_and_gets_Linux_sup.gmi
19:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Wii U emulator Cemu 2.0 out, goes open source and gets Linux support
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19:44 phanes; mjg59_, how's my foghorn leghorn impression getting?
19:47 phanes; https://youtu.be/kF6qUh3T9KE
19:47 TR Bot; https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=kF6qUh3T9KE
19:47 TR Bot; vid.puffyan.us | Looney Tunes | Foghorn Leghorn on the Farm | Classic Cartoon Compilation | WB Kids - Invidious
19:48 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
19:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
19:51 phanes; doo-dah, doo-dah
19:56 TR News; (NEW): Random things on designing a text format for book https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Random_things_on_designing_a_text_format_for_book.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Random_things_on_designing_a_text_format_for_book.gmi
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19:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines Random things on designing a text format for book
19:59 TR News; frontends/va: improve enc quality interface change (!17994) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17994 Source: AMD
19:59 TR Bot; frontends/va: improve enc quality interface change (!17994) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
20:08 Ariadne; anyway i recently picked up an industrial PC for $93 that performs much better than the rpi4 it replaced ;/
20:09 Ariadne; the rpi4 cost twice as much too
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20:52 DaemonFC; Yes, mjg59_'s former employer sends women to fake abortion clinics. I saw an article about that the other day. A woman accidentally called one of them and then they started pleading with her to "keep the baby" and then sending harassing text messages.
20:53 DaemonFC; After she hung up on them.
20:54 DaemonFC; They don't just ask you nicely, they start blowing up your phone and then handing your info to the polive.
20:54 DaemonFC; *police
20:54 DaemonFC; It's really creepy.
20:55 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/weekend-random-randomness-7-31-22-31.jpg
20:56 DaemonFC; GULAG themselves said they wouldn't hand info over to the police about women seeking an abortion.
20:56 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1561919383022313473
20:56 DaemonFC; In reality, they have all kinds of data and the first time there's a court order, they'll hand everything right over.
20:56 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Watch Russia blame the West for Dugina's death and predict a full-on war with NATO, but listen closely: Kremlin propagandists are trying to use her demise to mobilize the population, revealing weapon production problems and a lackluster recruitment."|nitter.it
20:56 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1562128948066123779
20:56 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile on Russian state TV: member of Russia's Federation Council Konstantin Dolgov claimed that Russiathe country that started the largest-scale land war in Europe in recent historyis providing safety and security for Ukraine, Europe and the entire world. Orwell is weeping."|nitter.it
20:56 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1562166385324818433
20:56 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Top Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov (who boasts of not being sanctioned by the U.S.) self-identifies as a terrorist, describing what he would like for the Russian Armed Forces to do in Ukraine."|nitter.it
20:57 DaemonFC; But by floating "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" to the top, they do a lot of damage indirectly.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 37.41 k/sec., IPFS upstream 121.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 128.01
21:00 DaemonFC; mjg59_ said, iirc, that he was making an effort to change Google from the inside.
21:01 DaemonFC; Kids in cages, handing abortion trial evidence over to the state prosecutor.
21:03 DaemonFC; Matthew GULAG and the Chocolate Factory
21:04 DaemonFC; Come with me, and you'll see, a world where kids are in incarceration, getting raped, getting killed, during the Trump administration.
21:04 DaemonFC; I guess GULAG pays well enough to ignore their ICE contracts.
21:05 CrystalMath; XRevan86: i truly wonder what that has to do with tech rights
21:05 DaemonFC; They have a terrible string of hiring people who have defects in their conscience, or none at all.
21:05 DaemonFC; Nobody with a conscience would help build something like Google.
21:06 DaemonFC; Then say I'm the bad guy for not liking "Uncle Keith".
21:07 DaemonFC; What's going on in the United States today, where nobody is doing anything about these criminals that run our government, is fundamentally the same thing that was going on in Nazi Germany.
21:08 DaemonFC; It's dangerous to even speak out against it, much less try to fight them.
21:08 DaemonFC; So people are afraid and tend to mind their own business.
21:09 DaemonFC; The Democrats animated the anti-abortion movement.
21:09 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/23/a78629
21:09 TR Bot; Dozens of Moscow Metro Passengers Detained on Russia Flag Day - The Moscow Times
21:09 DaemonFC; I can tell you what forcing taxpayers to pay for it in Illinois did.
21:09 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/23/a78633
21:09 TR Bot; Yandex Reaches Binding Deal to Divest News Service, Homepage to VK - The Moscow Times
21:09 DaemonFC; It had implications outside of Illinois, for sure.
21:10 DaemonFC; The anti-abortion movement got a shot in the arm, because the government was seen as moving from neutral on the issue to encouraging people to have it done and even paying for it.
21:10 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Is that what bothers you?
21:11 CrystalMath; XRevan86: well, i'm bothered by your terrible opinion, but if i keep responding to it, we will fill up the channel with stuff that has nothing to do with tech rights
21:11 MinceR; curious, that wasn't a problem before
21:11 CrystalMath; i pretty much didn't respond for months until a few days ago
21:17 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/08/24/1118879917/student-loan-forgiveness-biden
21:17 TR Bot; Biden to cancel up to $10K in student loan debt for borrowers making under $125K : NPR
21:17 DaemonFC; Pocahontas back at it again.
21:17 DaemonFC; Sen. Elizabeth Warren, also of Massachusetts, highlighted the ways Biden's plan could help address racial inequalities: "Because Black Americans borrow more money to go to school, borrow more money in school and have a harder time paying their debt off after school, the President's action will also help narrow the racial wealth gap in the United States among borrowers."
21:18 DaemonFC; If blacks are having more trouble paying the loans back it means they studied something that didn't help them and/or didn't do very well at it.
21:18 MinceR; or that they were poorer to begin with
21:18 DaemonFC; Regardless, this is more election year vote buying.
21:19 DaemonFC; He expects his party to do very badly at the polls, so he just starts tossing out helicopter money at idiots who went to school and still didn't make anything of themselves and that's why they can't pay their loan back.
21:20 DaemonFC; And then he makes sure the "moratorium" goes on past the election so the remaining payments won't start back up in time to anger voters.
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21:23 loner; still, can't wrap my head around GNU binutils and assembly language
21:26 loner; i see no way to avoid them, GNU binutils, vendor specific and gas specific assembly
21:30 *MinceR passes gas
21:31 loner; one test case, for example, statically compiled/linked dietlibc+toybox and some development utilities, provides a complete *nix development system
21:31 DaemonFC; MinceR, Don't mind Bill Gates.
21:31 loner; i mean, with a tcc-toolchain, this compiles in a few minutes, the entire toolchain and cross-compiler maintenance would be much simpler than GNU or LLVM
21:31 DaemonFC; He's just here to meter that.
21:32 DaemonFC; He flew in on his private jet this morning.
21:34 loner; for example dietlibc# find . | grep '\.S$' | cat -n ... that's almost 700 asm files, which i bet almost none could be digested without binutils gas
21:34 DaemonFC; https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/liberal-hysteria.jpg
21:35 loner; dietlibc/arm# arm-tcc -I../include/ -I../ start.S
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21:35 loner; arm-features.h:57: error: known instruction expected ... puff, bam... all over the place
21:35 loner; i mean, dietlibc is just one example (musl, uclibc, glibc, all of them are cluttered)
21:36 loner; just picked dietlibc, because it's the smallest i knew
21:36 loner; and as soon as GNU/binutils are involved, the horror show begins elsewhere too (autotools/automake to name one)
21:37 DaemonFC; Look at the catastrophe that unfolded the other day because glibc people redefined what an ABI-breaking change means.
21:37 DaemonFC; They must have been inspired by Biden's recession.
21:37 loner; it's wrecked, and a knee-jerk
21:38 loner; and the problem isn't if GNU and their sponsors want to "innovate" and blow up everything
21:38 DaemonFC; If glibc people are going to break glibc and not worry about what's linked to it, then why not just change your distribution's C library and be done with it?
21:38 loner; problem is, the tiny niche of what i am looking for was crushed by them too
21:38 loner; ireversible, beyond repair
21:39 loner; because, if you backtrack this, to something acceptable, you'll arrive at mos6502/z80 and earlier era computing
21:39 loner; seems to me, GNU and whoever, they still seem to be proud of the wreckage they produced
21:40 loner; and grant each other awards and whatnot
21:40 DaemonFC; I raised an eyebrow at Ariadne's Alpine Linux thing.
21:40 Ariadne; what "thing"
21:40 DaemonFC; I think they changed to one of those "less bloated" C libraries.
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21:40 Ariadne; "changed"
21:40 DaemonFC; I used to roll my eyes because everyone has a small C library and they never end up being compatible with glibc.
21:40 loner; i consider Alpine Linux among the least problematic
21:40 DaemonFC; But if glibc isn't going to be compatible with its own ABI, fuck glibc.
21:41 Ariadne; DaemonFC: compatibility with GNU/Linux is not a goal of alpine
21:41 XRevan86; activelow changed the nickname again: heureka loner
21:41 Ariadne; that is like asking OpenBSD to be compatible with FreeBSD
21:41 DaemonFC; I don't know how compatible the BSDs are with each other.
21:42 DaemonFC; I've never been a BSD user. I tried to install PC-BSD 6 once because they told me it was really easy to use and had binary packages and everything, which you just installed and that was that.
21:42 DaemonFC; But it had no network driver for my onboard ethernet.
21:42 DaemonFC; I got much further along with Solaris than I did with BSD because Solaris installed and had drivers for my hardware.
21:43 DaemonFC; If mjg59_ wasn't such a shill he'd admit Windows is what I said it was.
21:43 DaemonFC; An OS should have lots of drivers. Unfortunately, Windows is a really bad OS and even the driver model is irredeemably fucked.
21:43 loner; thing is, i can set AS=binutils-gas in a few minutes, and compile/link my entire distro with tcc-toolchain already
21:44 loner; however, i am not willing to compromise, because libc is among the most critical components everything else depends on
21:44 DaemonFC; Most other operating systems are generally well designed (at least much better than Windows), but whether they have drivers are not is an entirely different story.
21:45 loner; another option, bootstrappable.org patched both tcc and musl-libc-1.x, for i386, yet this is another compromise i am not willing to accept, to exclusively vendor lock against x86
21:45 DaemonFC; There's really only a few things the user looks at in an OS. Does it perform well? Does it run my hardware? Does it run my software? Can I actually get this thing installed at all?
21:45 DaemonFC; I don't like IBM but I have Fedora because it ticks those boxes.
21:45 loner; and re-implementing binutils gas into tcc-toolchain, is both very much effort, and it too contradicts the entire design philosophy of tcc
21:46 loner; in the end, GNU -> no "freedom of choice"
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21:47 DaemonFC; You could say Windows runs a lot of programs, that's certainly true.
21:48 DaemonFC; But it fails my other tests. It doesn't run well, it has all kinds of driver errors and bugs. Half the time the print system doesn't work at all.
21:48 DaemonFC; The security is not actual security, it's just designed to make a lot of noise about "security".
21:49 DaemonFC; What mjg59_ calls security is what my spouse calls "corned beef".
21:49 DaemonFC; I say I want to make a brisket in the pressure cooker, he goes "Why don't you just get a can of Armour courned beef?".
21:50 loner; well yes, i would want to ask and talk with competent GNU developers
21:51 loner; i feel somewhat betrayed, by what's advertised as "free software" by them, GNU/FSF/Mapple
21:52 loner; and more important, i consider the type of software and design philosophy _dangerous_
21:52 loner; of cause it's not specific to "free software", Mapple and IBM MICROS~1 are wrecked too
21:53 loner; however, with "free software" i was misguided to think, a chance remained to salvage at least some of it
21:53 loner; yet, vendor-specific and GNU specific gas assembly prevent just that
21:54 loner; furthermore, "competition", i didn't intend to interfere with their business prospects, the target audience for the type of system i envisioned remained small anyway
21:55 loner; nonetheless, with their anti-competitive agenda they wrecked my tiny niche too
21:59 DaemonFC; Actual security and mjg59_ security is the difference between a nice Italian restaurant that costs $100 a person and my ex, John, coming home and flinging his socks and underwear across the room and microwaving a bowl of Chef Boyardee Ravioli and dumping a cup of Kraft parmesan cheese on it.
21:59 DaemonFC; There's a little bit of a difference.
21:59 DaemonFC; And that's like, what we're seeing from the GNU project lately with their software.
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22:00 DaemonFC; Enemies of Free Software have persuaded maintainers to go into revolt against not only Free Software concepts and ideals, but also basic code quality and commitments to support what you've added in the past when you need it for support with a standard or something that a lot of software went ahead and depended on.
22:01 DaemonFC; It's important to make sure you're not breaking tons of software that people actually use, which is not even old.
22:01 DaemonFC; And they WON'T even promise to do that anymore.
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22:03 DaemonFC; So the situation we get is the one schestowitz[TR] linked to the other day.
22:03 DaemonFC; "Win32 is the only stable ABI on Linux".
22:04 DaemonFC; This should not be true, but thanks to glibc, they're right!
22:04 DaemonFC; If the glibc people drop something, and Wine gets broken, and adapts, the Windows programs will work again.
22:06 DaemonFC; It would be ideal if someone would (1) fork glibc (2) fix it up as well as possible (3) have compatibility guarantees, such as adding back DT_HASH.
22:06 loner; in the end, all of them are cluttered with vendor-specific and GNU gas syntax
22:06 loner; https://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html
22:06 TR Bot; Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux
22:09 DaemonFC; The resource savings for dropping DT_HASH aren't big enough to land on anyone's radar.
22:09 DaemonFC; This change was completely fucking useless and stupid.
22:10 DaemonFC; It's like how no engineer would have designed an evaporative emissions ssytem for a car because you're putting in $2,000 worth of shit that can break and saving a couple gallons of gasoline per YEAR.
22:11 DaemonFC; Design By Politician
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22:11 loner; would be interesting to see, how much of the GNU userspace and other software could be used with dietlibc
22:11 DaemonFC; You're savign 16 KB of space for the glibc Shared Object.
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22:12 DaemonFC; How big is glibc now?
22:12 loner; see the link: complete .a set 2MiB, .so set is 8MiB ... it's insanely huge
22:12 DaemonFC; Yes, so 16 KB saves you nothing.
22:12 DaemonFC; At this point, you may as well just be compatible.
22:13 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is demonstrably wrong about the security of JavaScript.
22:14 DaemonFC; In fact, it's so easy to prove him wrong that it's the best way to handle untrusted code that all you need to do is point him as WebKit security alerts, or Mozilla SpiderMonkey ones after they declassify them of course, and V8.
22:14 DaemonFC; They spring all sorts of leaks.
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22:15 DaemonFC; The People's Republic of China used one in JavaScriptCore (WebKit) a couple of years ago to spy on dissidents and install malware on their computers after tricking them into visiting a site.
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22:15 DaemonFC; And since there's no way to turn JavaScript off in Safari, it's guaranteed to work if you can find something like that and exploit it.
22:16 loner; the solution to Javascript is only this: entire removal
22:16 Ariadne; ironically, musl continues to support DT_HASH :)
22:16 DaemonFC; Your best bet on GNU/Linux is to make sure that if you use any browser to (1) install updates immediately and (2) disable JavaScript and use it only as needed.
22:16 DaemonFC; 90% of the domains that load JavaScript on a site don't do anything to help you.
22:16 DaemonFC; As a rule of thumb.
22:17 DaemonFC; That makes them a liability.
22:17 Ariadne; (though i wonder if DaemonFC actually knows what DT_HASH and DT_GNU_HASH are/do ;))
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:20 DaemonFC; https://flapenguin.me/elf-dt-hash
22:20 TR Bot; symbol lookup via DT_HASH | flapenguin.me
22:20 DaemonFC; I think this explains it pretty well.
22:21 DaemonFC; So glibc has violated the ELF standard if I'm understanding this correctly?
22:21 Ariadne; yes
22:21 DaemonFC; It should always support DT_HASH as a failback even if there's a superior hash table format available like the GNU one.
22:21 Ariadne; though, there are some arguably good reasons to do so. DT_HASH has a lot of problems
22:21 Ariadne; however, i agree that it's not worth breaking ABI compatibility over
22:22 DaemonFC; This is one of those "Why would you even do that?" facepalm moments.
22:22 DaemonFC; As far as I'm concerned.
22:22 Ariadne; if i were to build a new ecosystem, i would probably only bother with DT_GNU_HASH
22:22 DaemonFC; Programs don't HAVE to use the slower ELF implementation.
22:23 Ariadne; but technically DT_HASH *is* required by the spec
22:23 Ariadne; and the spec is unlikely to be updated
22:23 DaemonFC; It's just that some of them do, and those are usually incompetent developers or ones that target other *nix systems and don't want to write two implementations.
22:23 DaemonFC; Of course the spec is unlikely to be updated.
22:23 DaemonFC; It's over 20 years old.
22:24 Ariadne; the ELF specification was written by the TIS group in the 90s, and that group is long disbanded
22:24 DaemonFC; If you were designing a new binary format today, you'd definitely change some of these things.
22:24 Ariadne; though the linux foundation have a nice copy of the spec ;)
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22:24 Ariadne; i dunno, i think ELF is mostly fine
22:24 DaemonFC; But since everyone is using ELF and it would be so painful to get rid of that we're talking impossible, implement ELF!
22:24 Ariadne; though some things are unnecessarily complicated
22:25 DaemonFC; If you want to do cool non-conformant GNU-ish things on the side that are some optional code path, do that.
22:26 DaemonFC; I think that DT_GNU_HASH is a good idea and the documentation should reflect "DO NOT USE DT_HASH IN NEW APPLICATIONS! It is considered deprecated, and it does not perform well!".
22:26 DaemonFC; I mean, software is full of these situations, you know.
22:26 Ariadne; ELF beats COFF, hands down, but OSF/1 Mach-O was better
22:27 Ariadne; sadly AT&T and Sun made ELF a royalty-free standard and so OSF/1 switched to ELF
22:27 Ariadne; well, some variants of OSF/1 anyway
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22:27 Ariadne; macOS is using Mach-O still
22:27 DaemonFC; By the time we're at a point where we could do this and absolutely nobody would probably mind, it'll be 20 years from now, and computers will have 128 GB of RAM in your laptop and nobody gives a shit, and it might as well stay there even then.
22:28 DaemonFC; Like, there are arguments like this from 2002 where back then something was unbelievably bloated and shitty.
22:28 DaemonFC; And folks wanted to remove it then.
22:28 DaemonFC; And now it's still there, and nobody cares. Why?
22:29 DaemonFC; PCs don't ship with single core Pentium 4s and 128-256 MB of RAM anymore.
22:29 loner; 512MiB were common at that time already
22:29 loner; and, the raspberry zero 1.3 still operates at that level of resources available
22:30 DaemonFC; Walmart PCs were still shipping 128 MB and XP.
22:30 *DaemonFC shudders
22:30 phanes; >I think they changed to one of those "less bloated" C libraries | no, they changed to musl because building a sysroot with glibc is a ginormous pain in the ass that requires deep specialization -- thats why they're busybox instead of a proper userspace
22:30 DaemonFC; That's like 4 GB and Windows 11 today.
22:30 DaemonFC; Someone will make a really horrible computer to hit a price point.
22:30 loner; however, software quality... i mean, try to reverse engineer some 1MiB BIOS.ROM blob... tell me when you're done with it...
22:30 *loner waits
22:30 Ariadne; phanes: you can get gnu coreutils on alpine just fine, or any other userspace you want
22:31 phanes; Ariadne, you can install packages to build other things but you can't get a glibc-based system -- compiling glibc is not hard. building a glibc world is.
22:31 Ariadne; you can even run gnu coreutils on solaris :D
22:31 Ariadne; phanes: yeah, glibc build process is a nightmare
22:31 Ariadne; at work, we are building a glibc distribution that is alpine-like
22:32 Ariadne; and there is a lot of glibc stuff that is just undocumented
22:32 phanes; i take like 6 months off at a time playing with it so that i don't rage out and become the wandering golem of linux
22:32 Ariadne; even when consulting LFS as reference, it is like "you have to do this, we have no idea why"
22:33 phanes; Ariadne, their devs are the same way, they just copy the last version and with the exception of a couple of the elderly they dont know why they do what they do anymore either
22:34 Ariadne; anyway, alpine intentionally is outside of gnu/linux sphere because of this stuff ;D
22:34 phanes; they even changed their culture to be "we dont provide support for deviations from the book, yadda yadda, we're not a 'build your own distro' project, we're a 'build lfs project' yadda yadda" which was not a case with their old guard -- wasn't that way until ubuntu sent in ikonia to gut them out
22:34 loner; i simply see no reasonable solution to the ASM problems within _all_ libc
22:35 Ariadne; and, there is `gcompat` on alpine which does a reasonable job at running glibc programs
22:35 Ariadne; it's basically like WINE, but for glibc
22:35 phanes; ew is that an EFI type monstrosity
22:35 loner; bootstrappable.org made some progress with some musl-1.x version for i386, nonetheless, vendor-lock against i386... no.
22:36 Ariadne; gcompat, actually works pretty well
22:36 Ariadne; people run vscode and spotify in it
22:36 Ariadne; only thing that doesn't work reliably yet is nvidia drivers
22:37 Ariadne; personally, not terribly interested in running binary blobs though
22:37 DaemonFC; I'm definitely going to try out GhostBSD at some point on my older laptop.
22:37 Ariadne; the only thing i use gcompat with is the management utility for my RAID card
22:37 DaemonFC; I'm getting really annoyed with what's going on with GNU.
22:37 phanes; that whole paradigm might shift soon, i think the nvidia drivers were released open source
22:38 Ariadne; the kernel module was
22:38 Ariadne; most of the IP is now locked up in firmware
22:38 DaemonFC; It's exceptionally petty.
22:38 Ariadne; like AMD
22:38 DaemonFC; They don't just violate standards, they give developers no choice.
22:38 DaemonFC; Like we're going to cut off the standards compliant mode and if you don't change, your app just won't work so hahaha.
22:39 Ariadne; i am surprised they haven't done it sooner tbh
22:39 DaemonFC; That's the exact same mindset that IBM has.
22:39 phanes; man why yall hate on ibm so much
22:39 phanes; they dont seem to be evil tbh
22:39 DaemonFC; Even though they say they won't fund GNU anymore because they had to make up allegations of bigotry against Richard Stallman.
22:39 Ariadne; why would GNU people care about running binary blobs
22:39 Ariadne; it's not free software
22:40 DaemonFC; I think Stallman is not that well versed in politics, and I think his opinions on the economy are a disaster.
22:40 DaemonFC; But he's not a bigot.
22:40 phanes; now project leaders at RH is a different story. theyve done some evil shit. but their parent company is completely agnostic of that whole endeavour.
22:40 Ariadne; i don't know about that
22:40 Ariadne; IBM tried to kill big-endian POWER use on linux
22:40 Ariadne; with their ELFv2 specification
22:41 DaemonFC; Well, when Stallman said "We're defaulting to some sort of non-POSIX mode" he laid out the argument from the beginning, rationalized it, and introduced a "POSIX Mode" flag.
22:41 DaemonFC; That you could set in scripts or even start BASH with.
22:41 phanes; let's call it what it is: big-endian energy
22:41 DaemonFC; This change to glibc is more like a terrorist attack.
22:41 Ariadne; well, there are reasons to run in BE on servers rather than LE
22:41 Ariadne; for example, network stacks run faster
22:41 phanes; that aren't legacy compatibility related?
22:41 DaemonFC; DT_HASH was removed with no warning and there's no override to make it come back.
22:42 Ariadne; all of TCP/IP is big-endian, on LE it has to flip the byte order, and that does have overhead
22:42 Ariadne; though these days it probably doesn't matter
22:43 DaemonFC; Ariadne, Yes, speaking of Apple, their design decisions are just all over the place. Like when they made an incompatible version of AIFF for absolutely no reason instead of just flipping the byte order on playback on x86 systems.
22:43 phanes; im just saying big blue doesn't try to destroy people, they try to make money. big red tried to destroy people.
22:43 DaemonFC; And the way they did it, by abusing AIFF-C.
22:43 DaemonFC; They claim the file is a compressed AIFF, but it's not.
22:44 DaemonFC; Inside, there's a pseudo-compressed version with a different magic number, which has the byte order reversed, and is otherwise a normal AIFF file buried inside an AIFF file like some sort of crazy Inception bullshit.
22:44 DaemonFC; I recall running into one of these fucking things on Linux right after Apple did that.
22:45 DaemonFC; And the player couldn't make sense of it and told me the file was corrupt.
22:45 Ariadne; redhat tried to destroy whom, exactly
22:45 Ariadne; (seriously, i don't know anything about this)
22:46 Ariadne; DaemonFC: i think mach-o is a better format than ELF in a lot of ways though
22:46 DaemonFC; mjg59_, is on his shitter calling for CrimeFlare to drop something called Kiwi Farms, but curiously not calling on them to deplatform the Taliban.
22:47 Ariadne; for example, it does not have `.strtab`
22:47 DaemonFC; Curiouser and curiouser.
22:47 Ariadne; DaemonFC: kiwifarms is a doxing site that targets queer people and especially queer children
22:47 Ariadne; just, you know, for reference
22:47 DaemonFC; So they should be raided by the FBI, which Crimeflare also hosts.
22:47 DaemonFC; ;)
22:48 Ariadne; besides, kiwifarms seems very offline all day
22:48 DaemonFC; I don't think that Crimeflare should be in control of who they shut down, I think the government is asleep at the switch and Mr. GULAG is calling on the wrong people to shut down Kiwi Farms.
22:48 loner; dietlibc only supports static linking; yet the ASM issue blocks any further effort anyway, with whatever i decided to do
22:49 Ariadne; DaemonFC: people are calling on commercial intervention *because* the government is asleep at the switch *and* people are being materially harmed
22:49 DaemonFC; "In 2013, American video game developer Chloe Sagal became a Kiwi Farms target after Eurogamer reported Sagal's Indiegogo crowdfunding campaign had been flagged for "suspicious activity". Sagal had raised over $30,000 on the platform for metal poisoning treatment to remove shrapnel from a car accident, but Eurogamer reported that Sagal had actually intended to use the proceeds for sex reassignment surgery. Sagal later died via self-immolation
22:49 DaemonFC; on June 19, 2018,[22][23] which several reports attributed to years of harassment from Kiwi Farms."
22:49 DaemonFC; Sounds like there were a lot of mental health problems going on here.
22:49 Ariadne; yes
22:49 Ariadne; they find people
22:49 DaemonFC; And lying about what you're raising money for is criminal fraud.
22:49 Ariadne; who are having mental health issues
22:50 Ariadne; and then dox and harass them
22:50 loner; i mean, dietlibc+toybox statically compiled/linked with a tcc-toolchain... that would be another test-run, if...
22:50 DaemonFC; If true, of course, being dead kind of means nobody will ever investigate that allegation.
22:50 Ariadne; DaemonFC: regardless, it is not the place of The Internet(tm) to be vigilante investigators
22:51 DaemonFC; Gonad the Barbarian's wife Anita used to go around Huntington with a collection jar saying she was raising money for the medical bills of a young child who was the victim of a car accident.
22:51 Ariadne; anyway
22:51 DaemonFC; And there was no child and it became one more thing the local police busted her ass for.
22:51 loner; i would re-integrate an entire distribution from scratch, if... the ASM problem could be solved
22:51 DaemonFC; Every town's got a few of these people.
22:51 DaemonFC; Probably even mjg59_'s hometown.
22:51 loner; yet, i am not willing to lock against GNU binutils (or whatever LLVM does)
22:51 loner; and i am not willing to lock against x86 either
22:52 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR] mentioned that I've been repeatedly traumatized. Many people have had it so much worse, I mean. I could have had it so much worse.
22:52 DaemonFC; You go back a generation or two....
22:52 DaemonFC; There were people who got drafted and ended up in Vietnam, or Korea.
22:53 DaemonFC; That's trauma.
22:53 loner; hence, currently, i proceed with some cleanup tasks, and freeze at gcc47/binutils-2.22, no more toolchain upgrades
22:53 DaemonFC; That was a great and terrible evil.
22:53 loner; another minor task, removal of libtoolize from the build system, slibtool fully replaced libtool already, except for some clutter inside gentoo-portage calling libtool, which i'll remove next
22:53 Ariadne; hmm, interesting. 1776 Hosting ASN is now withdrawn for all announcements. maybe that means fiberhub did get a court order to shut it down.
22:53 DaemonFC; All because of some dueling economic systems.
22:54 loner; without libtool, i think there isn't any dependency against /bin/bash remaining
22:54 DaemonFC; The trauma it inflicted on the people that went is only half the picture. They have people like my dad who didn't even go and those are the people who support war.
22:54 DaemonFC; People who figure out ways to not go.
22:55 loner; i too removed all GNU gettext already, as build-dep and run-dep... not sure what it was, gettext had to be removed
22:55 phanes; Ariadne, its absolutely the place of the internet to be vigilante investigators
22:55 loner; then, i had to downgrade to perl 5.8.6 too, to compile/link with arm-tcc... there isn't any excess perl dependencies remaining anymore either
22:55 Ariadne; phanes: in some cases, but i don't think doxing children is included in that
22:55 phanes; court rooms are just one place justice is prone to be found, but its not foolproof and things slip through the cracks
22:56 Ariadne; or swatting
22:56 Ariadne; documenting things is journalism, swatting people is not
22:56 phanes; no of course not
22:56 phanes; none of that is okay
22:56 phanes; and thepeople who do it need to become famous
22:57 Ariadne; i guess what i am saying is that what kiwifarms does is not legitimate investigative reporting
22:57 DaemonFC; This debt forgiveness is a slap in my face.
22:57 DaemonFC; Not just the people who paid back their loans.
22:57 DaemonFC; It's also a slap in my face. I was told if I went I'd rack up all kinds of debt at horrible interest rates with no guarantees, and planned according to that. And now these people get a free pass but I'd still have to pay if I went.
22:57 phanes; what debt forgiveness
22:57 DaemonFC; "student loan forgiveness"
22:57 Ariadne; hasn't passed yet
22:57 DaemonFC; Vote them out!
22:57 DaemonFC; That's it goddamn it. That's it.
22:58 Ariadne; what is "it"
22:58 phanes; no way, i want relief from a predatory system that exploited my desire to better myself in my youth
22:58 DaemonFC; Fucking freeloaders.
22:59 Ariadne; DaemonFC: if they forgave the debt and gave you credit for your payments, would you be happy
22:59 DaemonFC; No!
22:59 phanes; if college were priced affordably it would be different -- its like medical, you should be able to just walk into a college or a hospital and get your brain or heart upgraded
22:59 DaemonFC; I want the same deal they got!
22:59 phanes; same for mental health services
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 10.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 84.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.66
22:59 DaemonFC; $20,000 credit towards if I go to school now.
22:59 Ariadne; DaemonFC: yes, that is what i am saying, you paid your student loans off, so you get $20k off on your taxes
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22:59 DaemonFC; I didn't have any loans.
22:59 DaemonFC; If I took on new ones today, I'd have to pay them all back.
23:00 phanes; then take your privileged ass to a wealth management firm instead
23:00 DaemonFC; These people get freebies because the Democrats are about to lose the election.
23:00 Ariadne; are they
23:00 Ariadne; i feel like the other guys tried to violently overthrow the government, and that probably isn't going to reflect well in the polls
23:00 DaemonFC; The Democrats are definitely going to lose the House.
23:00 Ariadne; i mean, it was only live on television
23:00 DaemonFC; The Senate is 50/50.
23:01 DaemonFC; Biden is less popular than Trump.
23:01 phanes; Special K saves the day: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/unix-legend-who-owes-us-nothing-keeps-fixing-foundational-awk-code/
23:01 TR Bot; Unix legend, who owes us nothing, keeps fixing foundational AWK code | Ars Technica
23:01 Ariadne; i know somebody who wrote an irc bot in awk
23:01 DaemonFC; In 2024, I think Biden will either announce he's not running or lose to Trump if he does.
23:01 phanes; >i feel like the other guys tried to violently overthrow the government, and that probably isn't going to reflect well in the polls | this
23:01 DaemonFC; People have had enough of this hyperinflation and losing their jobs and $6 gas and grocery bills and rent going up 50% in two years.
23:02 DaemonFC; Nobody wants this government to continue unless they're so on the dole that they don't pay for anything anyway.
23:02 phanes; had enough? no, no, no. its going to get way worse
23:02 loner; DaemonFC: energy prices in USA are ridiculously cheap still
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23:02 DaemonFC; Or so rich that they see the problems as a trifling nuisance.
23:02 DaemonFC; mjg59_ probably isn't affected too much.
23:03 DaemonFC; San Francisco was already expensive as all hell to begin with.
23:03 phanes; we're looking at venezuela level inflation potentially if we're not careful
23:03 DaemonFC; If you're living there, you obviously don't care about money.
23:03 phanes; ole ariadne's gonna be selling paper dolls made out of 1000 dollar bills off the curb to buy groceries
23:04 phanes; if they don't hike interest rates i mean
23:04 Ariadne; phanes: i have 1 million dollar bills
23:04 Ariadne; from zimbabwe
23:04 Ariadne; :D
23:04 phanes; Ariadne, what is that, like 5 USD
23:04 Ariadne; not even
23:04 Ariadne; it is like $0.10
23:04 phanes; lol
23:04 DaemonFC; So far the only program we've qualified for under Biden is the Affordable Community Broadband.
23:04 DaemonFC; And even then, only because our income for the entire year was like $200 below the cutoff.
23:05 Ariadne; means-testing is bullshit
23:05 DaemonFC; Meanwhile, everyone else gets $20,000 of student loan forgiveness.
23:05 Ariadne; not everyone else
23:05 Ariadne; everyone who made less than $100k
23:05 DaemonFC; $1000 a month in food stamps.
23:05 DaemonFC; Free rent.
23:05 Ariadne; both of these are false
23:05 phanes; i love how the world's 1% mostly still qualify for debt forgiveness because we're basing it off bookable income
23:06 Ariadne; god bless the 83(b) election
23:06 phanes; the truly rich don't make more than 20k a year
23:06 DaemonFC; Part of the reason we qualified for the Affordable Community Broadband was because I stuffed so much money in Mandy's 401(k) to take advantage of the other tax credits.
23:06 Ariadne; this income isn't real, it's *speculative*
23:06 DaemonFC; And that all comes out pre-tax, so it doesn't reflect on the Total Income line, which is what they use for programs.
23:07 DaemonFC; You really can't afford not to fund your 401(k) if you're lower to lower middle income.
23:07 Ariadne; lol? how much are you making where maxing out your 401(k) contribution lets you get tax credits
23:07 DaemonFC; If you stuff a lot of money in it you can actually get pretty much all of it back through the tax code or something somewhere else, AND the retirement money is still yours to keep.
23:08 DaemonFC; <Ariadne> lol? how much are you making where maxing out your 401(k) contribution lets you get tax credits
23:08 DaemonFC; There's some quirks in the tax code.
23:08 DaemonFC; This lets us make over $50,000 and only pay the IRS $46 for the entire year in Income Tax.
23:08 Ariadne; personal 401(k) contributions are capped at $20,500
23:08 DaemonFC; It's all legal.
23:08 DaemonFC; No, maxing the employer match and the SAVERS Credit, Ariadne
23:09 DaemonFC; I figured out how to take the SAVERS Credit at the 50% rate.
23:09 DaemonFC; It's a good deal.
23:09 phanes; my match is like 7k lol
23:09 phanes; cant even buy old people diapers for that
23:10 DaemonFC; The SAVERS Credit is maxed at $1,000.
23:10 DaemonFC; So if you take it at the 50% rate, you have to put $2,000 in your 401(k) to get the full value.
23:10 DaemonFC; If it's at the 20% rate, you need to put in $5,000 to get the full value.
23:10 DaemonFC; It it's the 10% rate, you need to put in $10,000 to take the full value.
23:11 Ariadne; i see
23:11 Ariadne; i have a person for this
23:11 DaemonFC; But it's a good deal because it cancels out your annual tax debt $1:$1
23:11 Ariadne; one of those wealth management people
23:11 Ariadne; a fiduciary
23:11 DaemonFC; So last year, we only owed $46 to the IRS in income tax.
23:11 DaemonFC; They ended up having to return everything else that was withheld from us. B-)
23:11 Ariadne; dunno, sounds like the government is doing you pretty well then
23:12 DaemonFC; I find (legal) ways to fuck them.
23:12 Ariadne; why are you complaining about benefits programs that are means-tested to far less than $50k pre-tax income
23:12 Ariadne; when you only pay $46 in income tax
23:12 *Ariadne shrugs
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23:12 DaemonFC; Because I think it's funny. The government created most of my problems/.
23:13 DaemonFC; Now it can sit back and watch as they pay us more, overall, than I pay them, because of what they did to me.
23:14 DaemonFC; Ariadne, I argued in bankruptcy court to discharge most of the fine from the criminal court.
23:14 DaemonFC; I successfully argued that all but $75 were "assessments" that were "totally unrelated to punishing me", such as "contributions to police pension funds".
23:15 Ariadne; do you feel as if you paid your debt to society, then?
23:15 DaemonFC; So the bankruptcy court ripped it up.
23:15 DaemonFC; Then I took the discharge letter and a check for $75 to the probation department and she's like "What the fuck is this?".
23:16 DaemonFC; Ariadne, I don't care. Fuck em. The difference is what it's costing me to expunge it.
23:16 XRevan86; CrystalMath: My opinion is not the same as the terrible opinion demonstrated in the clips with Russian propagandists.
23:16 DaemonFC; Serves them right.
23:16 phanes; im considering saving up a year's income, and having a firm pay it to me the next year and living off that, while my paychecks from that year on go to them
23:16 DaemonFC; Ariadne, You think I'm some kind of putz that takes shit that people try to dump on me laying down?
23:16 DaemonFC; Hell no!
23:16 DaemonFC; I'll fight them for the goddamned paper plates!
23:17 Ariadne; i don't know what i think
23:17 Ariadne; tbh
23:17 DaemonFC; (I picked up that saying from an ex who was talking about his divorce proceedings.)
23:18 DaemonFC; Ariadne, For a while I was listening to some of those self-help tapes in the car.
23:18 DaemonFC; You know the sort, where the person has you repeat affirmations from the tape.
23:18 DaemonFC; My favorite of course is "I refuse to be a victim.".
23:18 DaemonFC; That's a simple one, but it's a good one.
23:18 DaemonFC; When people are taking a shit on you, look in the mirror and say it. "I refuse to be a victim.".
23:18 Ariadne; i mean, if neuro-linguistic programming is your jam, i don't judge
23:18 DaemonFC; Then do something about it.
23:19 Ariadne; NLP is largely bunk though ;)
23:19 DaemonFC; Says who?
23:19 MinceR; 24 224752 < DaemonFC> You could say Windows runs a lot of programs, that's certainly true.
23:19 MinceR; many of them you don't even want, and might not even know about :>
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23:20 DaemonFC; I think the world would be better if more people adopted that mindset.
23:20 DaemonFC; "I refuse to be a victim."
23:20 Ariadne; DaemonFC: pretty much all modern research psychology
23:20 DaemonFC; Because nothing will get better for you when you don't assert yourself and start fixing your own problems and expect someone else will come do it for you if you just keep complaining loudly enough.
23:21 Ariadne; the key thing is not the NLP then, but the actual action which follows
23:21 DaemonFC; Well, yeah.
23:21 DaemonFC; But you need to be in the right frame of mind to accept that.
23:21 Ariadne; but again, if it motivates you to take action, then fine ;)
23:21 DaemonFC; When disaster happens, you panic, you despair. You do all of these things.
23:22 DaemonFC; And then if you're smart, you'll develop the kind of hatred and anger and motivation that pulls you back up out of the sewer.
23:22 Ariadne; some do, i do not. i recognize and solve problems proactively.
23:22 phanes; I don't
23:22 phanes; when disaster strikes I take names
23:23 DaemonFC; Anger can be constructive. Depression isn't constructive.
23:23 mjg59_; And assign them to yourself
23:23 phanes; I practice forgiveness if it's not life-altering, but once I bite, I never, ever let go until whatever is in my teeth belongs to me.
23:23 DaemonFC; Depression gets you stuck in a loop where you don't accomplish any of the things you need to in order to go on and survive.
23:24 DaemonFC; Maybe it's unavoidable that you'll be depressed for a while. It's natural. What's unnatural is for it to take over your life and go on for years and years.
23:24 DaemonFC; My aunt never broke that cycle after Keith had his crisis play out.
23:24 DaemonFC; And look what it did to her.
23:24 phanes; Sometimes it takes years. I put it down for months at a time. But I always come back.
23:24 DaemonFC; It ruined her beautiful home.
23:24 DaemonFC; It led her to spend all of her money escaping into fantasy (Disney vacations).
23:25 DaemonFC; If she had drawn a line in the sand and said "I refuse to be a victim." she could have found her way out of that.
23:26 DaemonFC; She was a great person. Everyone liked her. Everyone would and could trust her entirely. And she could fight, but she only stood up for other people. Never herself.
23:26 DaemonFC; That was her biggest personality flaw.
23:27 phanes; mjg59_, speaking of biting, i noticed you got super quiet on twitter today, how come?
23:27 DaemonFC; I think on some level, what Keith did destroyed her because she let what alcoholics refer to as "stinking thinking" take over.
23:27 DaemonFC; "I'm responsible for his rejection of self."
23:27 DaemonFC; "What's wrong with me where I could have driven him to do this?"
23:27 DaemonFC; "If he won't stay with me, will anyone?"
23:28 DaemonFC; "Stinking thinking" are basically just useless thoughts of self-blame and sorrow.
23:29 mjg59_; phanes: New semester starts today, so I have teaching prep to do
23:30 phanes; mjg59_, teaching a course on accountability soon, are we?
23:30 DaemonFC; mjg59_, So I'm interested in how you reconcile your opinion that JavaShit is secure with how nation states are using it to attack people.
23:31 DaemonFC; Let me go pull up an example for you.
23:31 MinceR; 24 234028 < phanes> now project leaders at RH is a different story. theyve done some evil shit. but their parent company is completely agnostic of that whole endeavour.
23:31 DaemonFC; https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2019/09/08/webkit-vulnerabilities-facilitate-human-rights-abuses/
23:32 TR Bot; WebKit Vulnerabilities Facilitate Human Rights Abuses Michael Catanzaro's Blog
23:32 loner; is there any libc which doesn't contain vendor-specific and GNU gas specific ASM extensions, for easy assembly?
23:32 MinceR; rh's behavior did not change when ibm bought rh.
23:32 DaemonFC; Oh but it did.
23:32 MinceR; ibm even took jimmy allowhurst as their president or something for a while.
23:32 DaemonFC; It got even worse.
23:32 MinceR; also, ibm assisted nazi germany in implementing the holocaust
23:32 DaemonFC; Now they had an unlimited warchest to dump millions of lines of untested shit into systemd every year.
23:32 MinceR; and nowadays they presume to educate us about how using words like "master" is evil.
23:32 DaemonFC; And watch as it sprang horrible security holes and memory leaks.
23:33 MinceR; ibm also taught MICROS~1 how to keep and exploit monopolies
23:33 DaemonFC; mjg59_ "This is fine."
23:33 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Full escalation chains to arbitrary code execution are rare and as a result are *extremely* expensive
23:33 MinceR; 24 234648 < Ariadne> DaemonFC: i think mach-o is a better format than ELF in a lot of ways though
23:33 MinceR; doesn't it have built-in DRM support?
23:33 DaemonFC; Remote DNS server can run arbitrary attack code on DNS request via systemd.
23:33 DaemonFC; "This is fantastic!"
23:34 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: Full escalation chains to arbitrary code execution are rare and as a result are *extremely* expensive
23:34 mjg59_; Which means they're not used against random people - you're going to be explicitly targeted rather than risk burning a hard to replace exploit chain
23:34 DaemonFC; Governments have plenty of money to find them and pull off widescale attacks.
23:34 mjg59_; If you're likely to be a target of a state then yes, Javascript should be part of your threat model
23:35 mjg59_; But average people are simply not going to have hostile Javascript used against them in this way
23:35 DaemonFC; Isn't it best to just use NoScript and shut down most untrusted script before it's allowed to run?
23:35 loner; ^ no.
23:35 DaemonFC; If not, why not?
23:36 DaemonFC; Even if it doesn't escape and run arbitrary code, it's recording you.
23:36 DaemonFC; It's tracking you.
23:36 *phanes thinks "I have a class to teach" might be mjg59_'s version of "I have to return some video tapes."
23:36 DaemonFC; It's weighing down your system.
23:36 DaemonFC; mjg59_, One of my banks uses 47 scripts from over two dozen domains.
23:36 DaemonFC; The only thing you need to run to make the bank work is first party scripts.
23:37 DaemonFC; The vast majority are tracking scripts and a session replay company.
23:37 DaemonFC; Why do I want this running in my browser?
23:37 DaemonFC; Could they move something malicious and run it first-party? Sure.
23:37 TR News; Stop treating emails like Web pages... https://www.maketecheasier.com/embed-google-forms-in-email/
23:37 TR Bot; How to Embed a Google Form Into an Email - Make Tech Easier
23:37 loner; with some relatively sane browsers lynx/w3m/links etc... it's impossible to do any online banking or shopping
23:37 DaemonFC; But it's less likely to run makicious scripts if I block most of the scripts and everything from some other domain.
23:37 DaemonFC; *malicious
23:38 loner; modern browsers (chrome,webkit,moz,edge) ARE the malicious components themselves
23:38 DaemonFC; It's just something else you can throw in front of potential malicious code and drastically reduce the odds that some will run and do bad things.
23:38 loner; the only solution to this security hazards it the entire removal of those
23:39 loner; anyway, which "free software" libc would you recommend?
23:39 phanes; loner, yeah i remember when firefox destroyed itself forever with the Mr. Robot plugin scandal
23:39 DaemonFC; I do use text-based browsers and Gemtext proxies for a lot of things.
23:39 DaemonFC; Why do I want to run JavaShit from 50 domains and deal with autoplay crap to read the text of a recipe?
23:39 DaemonFC; mjg59_, ?
23:39 mjg59_; If you don't want to, don't
23:40 MinceR; because it's the "modern" way
23:40 MinceR; same reason why you want to boot systemd with uefi
23:40 DaemonFC; The Bullshit Web is quite, quite unpleasant.
23:40 MinceR; and run gnome on it
23:40 TR News; (NEW): Mishi Choudhary Departs SFLC - Software Freedom Law Center https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Mishi_Choudhary_Departs_SFLC_Software_Freedom_Law_Center.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Mishi_Choudhary_Departs_SFLC_Software_Freedom_Law_Center.gmi
23:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines Mishi Choudhary Departs SFLC - Software Freedom Law Center
23:40 DaemonFC; Here, we're going to shove 300 MB of filth down the sewer pipe so you can read 6 KB of text.
23:40 MinceR; (or, better yet, just run windows or macos)
23:40 DaemonFC; Oh what's that? Comcast charges you per GB?
23:40 DaemonFC; SORRRY!!! ;)
23:41 phanes; relax this will all be people fighting over food in the strees before you know it, then all your browser woes will be gone
23:41 DaemonFC; Basically.
23:41 phanes; if we play our cards right i mean
23:41 DaemonFC; Comcast allows 1.2 TB of bandwidth per month.
23:41 TR News; I Can No Longer Recommend Manjaro Linux - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5KNK3e9ScPo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/5KNK3e9ScPo
23:41 TR Bot; I Can No Longer Recommend Manjaro Linux - Invidious
23:41 DaemonFC; I'd rather save that for "other things" than loading 300 MB pages to get at a recipe for pork chops.
23:41 loner; with those browsers, systemd etc., at least, solutions do exist, to either remove or replace them
23:42 loner; i am not aware of any solution to the libc and ASM problem
23:42 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], ^
23:42 phanes; i am kinda pissed about this systemd-resolvd introduction to fedora 8 years after the fact still
23:42 TR News; "Peter Kaminski explains to Doc Searls and Shawn Powers on FLOSS Weekly how Massive Wiki is on its way to beng a prominent movment that combines wiki utility with familiar tools and processes for distributed use online by all users." https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/695
23:42 TR Bot; Massive Wiki
23:42 DaemonFC; I'm considering setting up a Gemini Pod as a middle finger to recipe Web sites.
23:42 phanes; they symlink /etc/resolv.conf to /run/systemd/... so that if you turn on network manager and turn off systemd-resolved your machine loses connectivity
23:42 DaemonFC; Just copy their text down and paste it into a Gemtext page, and sort them by type of food.
23:43 MinceR; phanes: you should have noticed by now that this is their general MO
23:43 MinceR; you either do everything their way or they try everything in their power to break everything for you
23:43 phanes; oh yeah its gnome and wayland in connectivity form
23:43 starstreak; <MinceR> (or, better yet, just run windows or macos) <--- so you recommend those OSes over Linux?
23:43 phanes; and uefi
23:44 phanes; to mjg59_'s credit on that, i dont think he had a malicious strategy, i think he was exploited by an employer as a useful idiot, but I wasn't there, its just from what ive noticed about how he thinks
23:45 MinceR; starstreak: no, i recommend them over systemd, to people who believe systemd is a good thing, since those are the paragons of "modern"ity as understood by the systemd cult.
23:45 MinceR; phanes: if he was exploited as a useful idiot, he should have realized that by now
23:45 MinceR; especially if he's as smart as he likes to think he is.
23:46 phanes; sort of like how's been exploited by his current social gathering to make up lies about people with the belief of impunity
23:46 starstreak; MinceR, I'd rather have systemd/gnome/linux over windows, windows is trash
23:46 loner; i would rather use DOS with MICROS~1 BASIC than either systemd/gnome/windows/max
23:47 starstreak; hey loner
23:47 starstreak; loner is heureka
23:47 phanes; MinceR, should have, yes. But people who get used like that usually get used like that repeatedly by multiple groups. He probably can't denounce any of it without risking a domino effect that completely inverts his situation in irreparable ways. One does have to consider one's legacy.
23:47 MinceR; starstreak: in what way is windows trash?
23:47 starstreak; MinceR, telemetry, bloat, cost, etc
23:47 MinceR; phanes: it's a legacy of shit. he should let it go if he can.
23:48 DaemonFC; I don't think he's a useful idiot.
23:48 DaemonFC; If he was useful they wouldn't have shown him out.
23:48 starstreak; mincer: i know you run windows for gaming, but some of us trust proton/steam more than windows
23:48 MinceR; starstreak: systemd/gnome/linux has most of not all of those issues
23:48 phanes; I can't describe him as intellectually or socially adept. He'd be a prime target for the types of users we have to really worry about.
23:48 MinceR; starstreak: i don't trust my important systems with games
23:48 MinceR; they aren't built to be secure
23:48 MinceR; s/st of/st if/
23:49 phanes; The intelligent don't get twitter brain.
23:50 starstreak; MinceR, i use gnome with dash to panel because it resembles windows 8, my favourite windows version
23:50 MinceR; starstreak: ah, so you like trash
23:50 starstreak; windows 10 is better than 7, not better than 8, but they're all trash
23:50 starstreak; i would run macOS if i could too
23:50 loner; the problem isn't GNU/FSF/GNOME tailor some "free software" for the consumerist crowd
23:50 loner; problem is, GNU lost me
23:51 loner; anyway, which "free software" libc would you recommend?
23:51 phanes; if you dont believe in gnu then gnu probably dont believe in you bub
23:55 MinceR; gnu is probably on the way out anyway
23:55 MinceR; they've capitulated to systemd
23:56 loner; systemd isn't the problem, systemd can be removed/replaced, relatively easy.
23:56 loner; with this at least, "freedom of choice" remained
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23:57 MinceR; distros already had problems replacing it
23:57 MinceR; and ibm/rh is digging in, making it more difficult
23:58 MinceR; meanwhile the fsf overwhelmingly recommends distros that force systemd on their users
23:59 loner; which isn't a problem, as long as "freedom of choice" remains
23:59 loner; with any later than gcc47 and binutils gas assembly, there isn't any at all, free choice
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