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00:00 DaemonFC; https://www.macrumors.com/2022/05/17/apple-airpods-pro-amber-alert-lawsuit/
00:00 TR Bot; Facing Lawsuit After AirPods Allegedly Ruptured Child's Eardrums With Amber Alert - MacRumors
00:01 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Kremlin's prankers made a fool out of him recently.
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00:02 TR News; EPO Eating Its Own (and Robbing Its Own) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/19/csc-on-epo-heist/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/19/csc-on-epo-heist/
00:02 TR Bot; EPO Eating Its Own (and Robbing Its Own) | Techrights
00:03 XRevan86; and then it was presented on an "Educational Marathon "New Horizons""
00:04 XRevan86; (Kremlin's obviously)
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00:05 XRevan86; It became very clear what Kremlin's considering educational.
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00:07 psydruid; Bush got a sense of Putin's soul
00:07 psydruid; he saw the emptiness in it
00:08 TR News; Still harping about last year's news while Windows is actively hijacked, even remotely, and there are np patches https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/log4j-vulnerability-ai-big-data-threat/
00:08 TR Bot; Vulnerability Puts Enterprise Data Lakes and AI at Risk | eSecurityPlanet
00:08 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165039
00:08 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
00:10 XRevan86; He stared into the abyss and the abyss stared back. "Looks legit", he thought.
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00:10 IPFS; Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-19.gmi
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00:11 TR News; How to manage your Debian install with Smxi https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-manage-your-debian-install-with-smxi/
00:11 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-manage-your-debian-install-with-smxi/ )
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00:14 TR News; Microsoft-connected sites amplifying Micrososft's own anti-Linux FUD, which distracts from the worst threats and culprits https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-detects-massive-surge-in-linux-xorddos-malware-activity/
00:14 TR Bot; Microsoft detects massive surge in Linux XorDDoS malware activity
00:14 TR News; Has Jim Zemlin got his Microsoft logo tattoo yet?
00:15 TR News; GNU program, not Linux command https://bytexd.com/linux-tail-command-with-examples/
00:15 TR Bot; Tail Command (With Examples) - ByteXD
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00:17 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165040
00:17 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
00:18 TR News; case insensitive string comparisons in C https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/05/19/case-insensitive-string-comparisons-in-c/
00:18 TR Bot; insensitive string comparisons in C | daniel.haxx.se
00:19 TR News; They release it in a Microsoft/NSA proprietary software site. No, it is not trustworthy. https://blog.rust-lang.org/2022/05/19/Rust-1.61.0.html
00:19 TR Bot; Announcing Rust 1.61.0 | Rust Blog
00:19 activelow; anyway, with yaft+dvtm i can fully wipe X11 soon; i still got multimedia support including w3m with images (sixels or fbcon or both), mplayer (sixels or fbcon or both), window management, session management, full support for remote shell of this with ssh and no other dependency required for this
00:20 TR News; Is Framework Laptop bribing bloggers again?
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00:22 TR News; Microsofters selling proprietary snake-oil for "Linux" https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/crowdstrike-cloud-security-extends-to-red-hat-enterprise-linux-versions/
00:22 TR Bot; Cloud Security Extends to Red Hat Enterprise Linux Versions
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00:23 TR News; Promotional VPN webspam disguised as 'article' https://www.techradar.com/news/surfshark-vpn-for-linux-gets-a-breakthrough-new-feature
00:23 TR Bot; VPN for Linux gets a breakthrough new feature | TechRadar
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00:27 TR News; Budgie on Fedora, Rocky Linux funding - Linux and open source news - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZQrvnQLcku8
00:27 TR Bot; Microsoft's distros, Budgie on Fedora, Rocky Linux funding - Linux and open source news - Invidious
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00:27 TR News; "Why Google's new open-source security effort might fall a bit short, the Arch snag this week, a big win for Right to Repair, and why you might soon have a new favorite filesystem." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148637/linux-action-news-241/
00:28 TR Bot; Linux Action News 241 | Jupiter Broadcasting
00:28 TR News; Meander Coil++ enables safe, wireless power transmission | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/19/meander-coil-enables-safe-wireless-power-transmission/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
00:28 TR Bot; Meander Coil++ enables safe, wireless power transmission | Arduino Blog
00:30 TR News; The 'Linux' Foundation lets proprietary software companies which attack security and sometimes attack Linux... speak 'for' it https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/open-source-software-security-turning-sand-into-concrete/
00:30 TR Bot; Open Source Software Security: Turning Sand into Concrete - Linux Foundation
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00:32 TR News; Some people speak negatively about me just because I criticise companies that pay them.
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00:33 TR News; "Trust, however, will not just appear out of the blue. Trust needs to be achieved somehow. Can algorithm suggested "friends" a la Linkedin, Xing, facebook etc. be trusted? Nope. Can members of smaller groups like the mailing list of a project be trusted? Maybe." gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/20220519-re-sincere-conversation.gmi
00:34 TR News; "Occasionally there have been arguments along the lines that tranport layer security (TLS) is too complicated and should be removed from gemini (and other sites, too). I disagree." gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/20220519-re-tls-or-not.gmi
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00:35 TR News; epo.org has been turned into a non-stop propaganda machine of Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campinos because the EPO routinely breaks the law; its rather tasteless that while Ukrainians are dying the EPOs mob exploits Ukraine for PR purposes http://techrights.org/2022/05/19/pr-of-epo-kicks-in/
00:35 TR Bot; EPO.org (Official EPO Site) Continues to Promote Illegal Agenda and Exploit Ukraine for PR Stunts That Help Unaccountable Crooks | Techrights
00:36 TR News; While the EPOs Antnio Campinos incites people (and politicians) to break the law hes also attacking, robbing, and lying to his own staff; thankfully, his staff isnt gullible enough and some MEPs are sympathetic http://techrights.org/2022/05/19/meme-epo-budget-tanking/
00:36 TR Bot; [Meme] EPO Budget Tanking? | Techrights
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00:36 TR News; Antnio Campinos is lying to his staff and losing his temper when challenged about it; Like Benot Battistelli, who fixed this job for his banker buddy (despite a clear lack of qualifications and relevant experience), hes just robbing the EPOs staff http://techrights.org/2022/05/19/csc-on-epo-heist/
00:36 TR Bot; EPO Eating Its Own (and Robbing Its Own) | Techrights
00:36 TR News; Security, Fear-mongering, and Openwashing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165041
00:36 TR Bot; Security, Fear-mongering, and Openwashing | Tux Machines
00:37 TR News; CNN stops bothering to hide that the economy has turned sour. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/cnn-stops-bothering-to-hide-that-the-economy-has-turned-sour/ Source: baronhk
00:37 TR Bot; CNN stops bothering to hide that the economy has turned sour. BaronHK's Rants
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00:38 TR News; "Nvidia has been receiving a lot of positive responses on there open source driver project but they've also had plenty of people trolling the repo and if you're one of the people doing this please stop, you're not helping anyone." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=a6tx5PCZOPg
00:38 TR Bot; Please Stop Trolling Nvidia Open Source Driver - Invidious
00:38 TR News; "A couple of months back, I did a video on creating my very first GTK app using Haskell. And it was a lot of fun! So let's continue along on this journey. Today, I'm creating a GTK app in less than an hour from start to finish using Haskell. You can do this too! You won't need to really know much about GTK or Haskell to follow along with me for this one." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ViW-bcNQ6Lc
00:39 TR Bot; Building a GTK App With Haskell (In Under An Hour) - Invidious
00:40 TR News; "Pepper&Carrot episode 37 production report: an important milestone today. The alpha version (still in French) was posted to proofreaders." https://www.davidrevoy.com/article908/ep37-production-report-desk-setup
00:40 TR Bot; Ep37 production report: desk setup - David Revoy
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00:45 TR News; Videos: GTK, Nvidia, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165042
00:45 TR Bot; Videos: GTK, Nvidia, and More | Tux Machines
00:45 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165043
00:45 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
00:45 TR News; Software: Inkscape, Docspell, and Organize Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165044
00:45 TR Bot; Software: Inkscape, Docspell, and Organize | Tux Machines
00:46 TR News; "I recently read about a study whose findings were that people tend to swear more easily if it wasnt in their mothers tongue. Their rationale was that people associate less emotions with the translations of swear words as they would do with those in their native language" https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/05/19/europe-trip-journal-entry-17-separation-of-concerns/
00:46 TR Bot; Europe Trip Journal Entry 17: Separation of Concerns vanitasvitae's blog
00:47 TR News; "Im just so sick and tired and goddamned disgusted by it all. Ive tuned out advertising completely. I dont have any streaming disservices in my house. I watch movies and stuff on discs. Usually ones I borrowed at the library, which I have to pay taxes for whether I use it or not." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/cnn-stops-bothering-to-hide-that-the-economy-has-turned-sour/
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00:48 TR News; "The Democrat Party and the Republican Party that let laissez-faire Crapitalism dictate trade policy, who bankrupted us as a nation, who convinced us all we could just go shopping to cure what ails you, have no answers for how to fix anything, because theyre the ones who dont really want to fix it." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/cnn-stops-bothering-to-hide-that-the-economy-has-turned-sour/
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00:48 TR News; "I believe that economists will eventually call this the app or smartphone bubble, because it seems like everything involving those is shit hitting the fan, but there are lots of other bubbles too, like cryptocurrencies." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/cnn-stops-bothering-to-hide-that-the-economy-has-turned-sour/
00:49 TR News; My Favorite Modules: Time::Piece | Tom Wyant [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/tom_wyant/2022/05/my-favorite-modules-timepiece.html Source: perl
00:49 TR Bot; Favorite Modules: Time::Piece | Tom Wyant [blogs.perl.org]
00:51 TR News; Replacing proper languages with something controlled by Microsoft and the NSA... https://blog.ganneff.de/2022/05/rust-munin-munin-plugin.html
00:51 TR Bot; Rust? Munin? munin-plugin | Ganneffs Little Blog
00:52 DaemonFC; https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/18/why-tesla-was-kicked-out-of-the-sp-500s-esg-index.html
00:52 TR Bot; Why Tesla was kicked out of the S&P 500's ESG index
00:52 DaemonFC; It said that Teslas lack of a low-carbon strategy and codes of business conduct, along with racism and poor working conditions reported at Teslas factory in Fremont, California, affected the score.
00:52 DaemonFC; ^ LOL
00:52 TR News; Larabel today: yes, I keep the 'gifts' https://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=system76-thelio-major&image=thelio_major_2_med
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00:54 TR News; Is this journalism or a commercial? https://www.crn.com/news/cloud/red-hat-ceo-open-hybrid-cloud-will-be-defined-by-hardware-innovation-at-the-edge-
00:54 TR Bot; Red Hat CEO: Open Hybrid Cloud Will Be Defined By Hardware Innovation At The Edge
00:57 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/tesla-thrown-out-of-sp-500-esg-index-for-racism-and-lack-of-a-low-carbon-business-plan/
00:57 TR Bot; Tesla thrown out of S&P 500 ESG index for racism and lack of a low-carbon business plan. BaronHK's Rants
00:57 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, ^
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00:59 TR News; Red Hat Leftovers/Puff Pieces Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165045
00:59 TR Bot; Red Hat Leftovers/Puff Pieces | Tux Machines
01:02 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165046
01:02 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
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01:06 TR News; Links 19/05/2022: Rust 1.61.0 and Lots of Security FUD | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/19/rust-1-61-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/19/rust-1-61-0/
01:06 TR Bot; Links 19/05/2022: Rust 1.61.0 and Lots of Security FUD | Techrights
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01:12 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/19/7347202/
01:12 TR Bot; Tank cemetery: aftermath of failed Russian crossing of the Siverskyi Donets shown on internet | Ukrayinska Pravda
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01:18 TR News; Makes the assumption you have systemd gemini://altesq.net/~masqq/gemlog/2022-05-18.gmi
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01:19 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/20/batteries-plus-bulbs-franchisee-bhushan-chouhan-claims-i-said-i-was-in-need-of-money-when-i-never-said-that-but-it-gets-better/
01:19 TR Bot; Batteries Plus Bulbs franchisee Bhushan Chouhan claims I said I was in need of money when I never said that. But it gets better! BaronHK's Rants
01:19 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, ^
01:22 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, I made it funnier.
01:22 DaemonFC; I posted a picture of the POC for the PPP loan showing it to be Chouhan.
01:22 DaemonFC; And I captioned it "Gee, "Chouhan" that.".
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01:25 DaemonFC; "The point of the PPP, or as I call it, the CCCP, was to save jobs.
01:25 DaemonFC; Essentially, the idea is that businesses that are on the verge of collapse or having to lay people off can go plead poverty (inability to make payroll or other expenses) to the SBA and get such a loan.
01:25 DaemonFC; Which is ironic, when you think about it.
01:25 DaemonFC; A battery store telling the government it needs money to keep the lights on."
01:25 DaemonFC; -Me
01:25 DaemonFC; "A battery and light bulb store telling the government it needs money to keep the lights on."
01:25 DaemonFC; Edited.
01:27 DaemonFC; "That's how you know this is a government operation folks. Nobody can go buy car batteries, AAs, light bulbs, and CR2032s at Walmart. Oh wait, they sell all of that at discount prices, and take it back if it doesn't work. Silly me. The government has to rescue a store that sells them at a higher price with sneaky fees that they ambush you with, and is having troubles for various reasons. I'd say in my opinion, the demeanor of the owner being
01:27 DaemonFC; their bigger liability."
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01:34 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SPgPBSrFZ0&t=176s
01:34 TR Bot; https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=2SPgPBSrFZ0
01:34 TR Bot; invidious.namazso.eu | Dynamo The Best Stalker from The Running Man - Invidious
01:34 DaemonFC; "Because there's nothing funny about a dickless moron with a battery up his ass."
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01:53 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/20/firefox-for-android-no-longer-gives-the-user-control-over-the-browsing-experience-privacy-browser-turns-off-javascript-by-default/
01:53 TR Bot; Firefox for Android no longer gives the user control over the browsing experience. Privacy Browser turns off JavaScript by default. BaronHK's Rants
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02:03 DaemonFC; Well, I see my ex is doing well. Over $100,000 in student loan debt and on year 12 of pursuing a bachelors degree.
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02:09 XRevan86; https://nytimes.com/2022/05/19/world/europe/russia-bucha-ukraine-executions.html
02:09 TR Bot; New Evidence Shows How Russian Soldiers Executed Men in Bucha - The New York Times
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02:14 XRevan86; I keep thinking about with what conviction Putin said that he has proof that the massacre in Bucha was staged.
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02:17 XRevan86; Of course he never presented any.
02:18 XRevan86; I didn't really expect him to. Because the moment he does, it's sealed, it's done, he's committed to one story.
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02:24 XRevan86; Also I wish CNN and NYT had the discipline Meduza has and published the unedited video footage.
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02:34 XRevan86; schestowitz: That BBC I just picked off from https://search.brave.com/search?q=Laser%20weapon%20Zadira
02:34 TR Bot; Laser weapon Zadira - Brave Search
02:34 XRevan86; I see https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-touts-new-generation-blinding-laser-weapons-2022-05-18/ there now.
02:34 TR Bot; uses new laser weapons in Ukraine, Zelenskiy mocks 'wonder weapon' | Reuters
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02:36 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-190522.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-190522.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-190522.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-190522.txt
02:36 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, May 19, 2022
02:37 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190522.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190522.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-190522.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-190522.txt
02:37 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, May 19, 2022
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02:38 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, May 19, 2022
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02:39 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, May 19, 2022
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02:42 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-05-19.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-05-19.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:43 XRevan86; https://nytimes.com/2022/05/19/world/putin-sanctions-aleksei-navalny.html
02:43 TR Bot; Navalnys Team Lobbies Congress to Place More Sanctions on Putins Associates - The New York Times
02:44 XRevan86; https://theregister.com/2022/05/19/export_bans_prompt_russia_to/ huh
02:44 TR Bot; Export bans prompt Russia to use Chinese x86 CPU replacement The Register
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02:48 XRevan86; So the PRC is backing off due to sanctions, but there are still talks of making Chinese automobiles, Chinese computers
02:50 XRevan86; It's a huge question whether the automobile can even possibly succeed since the factories are for assembly of ready parts, and that would mean that all the parts would have travel all the way from China to Moscow, and that can be not cost effective.
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02:51 XRevan86; But computers that sounds plausible.
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03:11 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 286700 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40684 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 3 months 10 days ago
03:12 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 64 GB TotalOut: 14 GB
03:13 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
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03:18 IPFS; QmYmvpg18UDAFnTbdqNMiYxSDxC7nUtBFhuAe5VeRpxJza
03:18 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
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03:30 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, CNBC is having a field day with what's happening in the stock market.
03:30 DaemonFC; People selling everything at a loss, including a guy who was investing because he's majoring in Finance.
03:31 DaemonFC; :)
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06:12 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/20/capital-one-tells-me-to-get-a-letter-from-the-buick-dealership-for-my-batteries-plus-dispute-and-then-says-it-doesnt-count/
06:12 TR Bot; Capital One tells me to get a letter from the Buick dealership for my Batteries Plus dispute and then says it doesnt count. BaronHK's Rants
06:15 DaemonFC; "I can say one thing about dishonest merchants complaining about the time it takes to respond to chargebacks, and the fees the banks charge you to deal with them, win or lose.
06:15 DaemonFC; QUIT CHEATING YOUR CUSTOMERS!
06:15 DaemonFC; Theyll stop filing chargebacks."
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06:30 IPFS; Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-19.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-20.gmi
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06:37 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, May 19, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
06:37 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
06:37 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
06:37 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
06:40 TR News; "EDITOR IS FINE. YOU FUCK IT, IT ONLY GET BLOATED AND STILL ANNOYING TO USE. GO TO VIMTUTOR, PRACTICE WITH "LEARN VIMSCRIPT THE HARD WAY." THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT INTO EDITOR." gemini://skylarhill.me/posts/dumb-meme.gmi
06:41 TR News; "Not everyone is working on the shell all day long. This is a choice everyone can make, but it is by no means compelling. I do use the i3/sway window managers, so I'm clearly working in a GUI envionment. However, a tiling window manager full of terminal/bash frames is indistinguishable from the pure console for many people." gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/20220519-re-bloat.gmi
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06:43 TR News; Cheetah a Day Day 593: feed those babies gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D593.jpg
06:43 TR News; Snow Leopard a Day Day 236 gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D236.jpg
06:45 TR News; "Regarding naivete, I can identify how, when becoming more privacy-aware, I stopped using my legal name online, I deleted a lot of traces and connections, and I went "into the dark"." gemini://compudanzas.net/biosejo_120220519.gmi
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06:47 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I'm considering filing a small claims court lawsuit against Batteries Plus Bulbs.
06:48 schestowitz-TR; ok
06:48 DaemonFC; The guy works at the store during all of their business hours, and that's the only time the court is open,.
06:48 DaemonFC; If you sue someone and they don't respond to it, you win by default.
06:48 DaemonFC; He would have to close his store and show up at court over $83.
06:49 DaemonFC; I don't think he'd do it.
06:49 TR News; Oracle Linux 8.6 is out. https://www.oracle.com/linux/
06:49 TR Bot; Oracle
06:51 TR News; Things Are Getting Rusty In Kernel Land | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/05/17/things-are-getting-rusty-in-kernel-land/ Source: hackaday
06:51 TR Bot; Are Getting Rusty In Kernel Land | Hackaday
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06:52 TR News; Crouton's way https://www.slashgear.com/869314/how-to-set-up-linux-on-your-chromebook/
06:52 TR Bot; How To Set Up Linux On Your Chromebook
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06:52 TR News; Firefox for Android no longer gives the user control over the browsing experience. Privacy Browser turns off JavaScript by default. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/20/firefox-for-android-no-longer-gives-the-user-control-over-the-browsing-experience-privacy-browser-turns-off-javascript-by-default/ Source: baronhk
06:52 TR Bot; Firefox for Android no longer gives the user control over the browsing experience. Privacy Browser turns off JavaScript by default. BaronHK's Rants
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06:54 TR News; "It said that Tesla's "lack of a low-carbon strategy" and "codes of business conduct," along with racism and poor working conditions reported at Tesla's factory in Fremont, California, affected the score." https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/18/why-tesla-was-kicked-out-of-the-sp-500s-esg-index.html
06:54 TR Bot; Why Tesla was kicked out of the S&P 500's ESG index
06:54 TR News; Microsoft-connected sites continue to attack "Linux" https://securityboulevard.com/2022/05/security-bsides-sofia-2022-sergey-kostovs-how-to-collect-linux-malware/ see http://techrights.org/2019/09/09/attacking-foss-by-proxy/
06:54 TR Bot; Security BSides Sofia 2022 - Sergey Kostov's 'How To Collect Linux Malware' - Security Boulevard
06:54 TR Bot; Security Boulevard is a Microsoft-Connected Attack Site Created by a Free Software-Hostile Person | Techrights
06:56 TR News; Haha. No. Copying to AWS is NOT A BACKUP. Copying data to AWS is a SECURITY BREACH! https://www.lisenet.com/2022/backup-kubernetes-cluster-resources-to-aws-s3-with-velero/
06:56 TR Bot; Kubernetes Cluster Resources to AWS S3 with Velero | Lisenet.com :: Linux | Security | Networking
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06:57 TR News; Speaking of security breach, do not use proprietary software https://itwire.com/security/experts-urge-vmware-users-to-patch-critical-flaws-right-away.html VMware used projection tactics http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware#2022
06:57 TR Bot; - Experts urge VMware users to patch critical flaws right away
06:57 TR Bot; VMware - Techrights
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06:59 TR News; "EasyOS is an experimental distribution, subject to change as I explore new ideas. I want to go into an exploratory binge now, toying with some fundamental structural changes, so might be a bit unresponsive to any questions posted on the forum." https://bkhome.org/news/202205/time-out-to-explore-ideas.html
06:59 TR Bot; Time-out to explore ideas
07:00 TR News; EasyOS/Debian: Easy Bookworm version 0.3 released https://bkhome.org/news/202205/easy-bookworm-version-03-released.html
07:00 TR Bot; Easy Bookworm version 0.3 released
07:01 TR News; Linux Foundation became a diploma mill company that uses its money for paid-for Webspam while it is oppressing Linux and propping up the agenda of proprietary giants https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/success-story-preparing-for-kubernetes-certification-improves-a-platform-development-engineers-skills/
07:01 TR Bot; Success Story: Preparing for Kubernetes Certification Improves a Platform Development Engineers Skills - Linux Foundation
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07:08 TR News; init: add "hostname" kernel parameter (kernel/git/akpm/mm.git - akpm's fork of linux.git) https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/akpm/mm.git/commit/?h=mm-everything&id=8282016618874dbc195a15b2aacf34db1c09bfc2 Source: git
07:08 TR Bot; kernel/git/akpm/mm.git - akpm's fork of linux.git
07:09 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165047
07:09 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
07:09 TR News; Announcing the release of Oracle Linux 8 Update 6 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165048
07:09 TR Bot; Announcing the release of Oracle Linux 8 Update 6 | Tux Machines
07:10 TR News; "I ended up on the phone with Crapital One for another hour before giving up. They just dont want to help their customers with the dispute resolution process." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/20/capital-one-tells-me-to-get-a-letter-from-the-buick-dealership-for-my-batteries-plus-dispute-and-then-says-it-doesnt-count/
07:10 TR Bot; Capital One tells me to get a letter from the Buick dealership for my Batteries Plus dispute and then says it doesnt count. BaronHK's Rants
07:11 TR News; iTWire - Eight months after Huawei CFO freed, Canada bans Chinese telco gear https://itwire.com/government-tech-policy/eight-months-after-huawei-cfo-freed,-canada-bans-chinese-telco-gear.html Source: itwire
07:11 TR Bot; - Eight months after Huawei CFO freed, Canada bans Chinese telco gear
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07:12 TR News; Intel Arc Graphics Cards Get VRAM Self-Refresh Feature In Latest Linux Drivers https://wccftech.com/intel-arc-graphics-cards-get-vram-self-refresh-feature-in-latest-linux-drivers/ Source: wccftech
07:12 TR Bot; Intel Arc Graphics Cards Get 'VRAM Self-Refresh' Feature In Latest Linux Drivers
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07:13 TR News; "Introducing metalfinder, a cli tool to find concerts using your local music collection! At the moment, it scans your music collection, creates a list of artists and queries Bandsintown for concerts in your town. Multiple output formats are supported, but I mainly use the ATOM one, as I'm a heavy feed reader user." https://veronneau.org/introducing-metalfinder.html
07:13 TR Bot; Louis-Philippe Vronneau - Introducing metalfinder
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07:14 TR News; Rockchip RK3588 Pico-ITX board launched with four-node cluster box (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/20/rockchip-rk3588-pico-itx-board-launched-with-four-nodes-cluster-box/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
07:14 TR Bot; Rockchip RK3588 Pico-ITX board launched with four-node cluster box (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
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07:20 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165049
07:20 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
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07:25 schestowitz; mitchel lewis (@stautistic): "Hell, Microsoft even advises consultants to implement their solutions in a manner that both entrenches solutions and inflates switching costs. They call it creating stickiness in this now deleted article outlining this practice: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Create-stickiness-with-IP-Microsoft-Partner-Network.pdf" | nitter.it https://nitter.eu/stautistic/
07:25 schestowitz; status/1525984776393396224 Source: nitter
07:25 TR Bot; lewis (@stautistic) | nitter.it
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07:27 TR News; Firefox for Android no longer gives the user control over the browsing experience. Privacy Browser turns off JavaScript by default. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165050
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07:27 TR Bot; Firefox for Android no longer gives the user control over the browsing experience. Privacy Browser turns off JavaScript by default. | Tux Machines
07:27 TR News; Louis-Philippe Vronneau - Introducing metalfinder Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165051
07:27 TR Bot; Louis-Philippe Vronneau - Introducing metalfinder | Tux Machines
07:30 TR News; "Ready for even more improvements to come to the KDE Plasma desktop? I know I am and Plasma 5.25 Beta is now available" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/kde-plasma-525-beta-is-out-now-for-testing/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:30 TR Bot; Plasma 5.25 Beta is out now for testing | GamingOnLinux
07:30 TR News; "Old World is a new Native Linux historical strategy game from Soren Johnson" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/old-world-from-the-civilization-iv-designer-releases-on-steam-along-with-linux-support/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:30 TR Bot; World from the Civilization IV designer releases on Steam along with Linux support | GamingOnLinux
07:30 TR News; "Broken Sword 5 - the Serpent's Curse from Revolution Software just had a big update" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/broken-sword-5-the-serpents-curse-gets-spruced-up-works-on-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:30 TR Bot; Sword 5 - the Serpent's Curse gets spruced up, works on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
07:32 TR News; "Having you been holding out for the Native Linux port of Psychonauts 2?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/the-linux-port-of-psychonauts-2-will-land-next-week/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:32 TR Bot; Linux port of Psychonauts 2 will land next week | GamingOnLinux
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07:33 TR News; Mesa 22.1.0 out now improving open source graphics http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165010#comment-33741
07:33 TR Bot; mesa 22.1.0 | Tux Machines
07:33 TR News; "Are you a user of NoiseTorch? It's a popular way of getting some pretty great noise suppression on your microphone" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/developer-of-popular-noise-suppression-tool-noisetorch-has-dev-machine-compromised/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:33 TR Bot; of popular noise suppression tool NoiseTorch has dev machine compromised | GamingOnLinux
07:36 TR News; Yesterday in gamingonlinux 4 out of 7 articles (a majority) were not about games at all!
07:37 TR News; "The report is based on interviews of 1,296 information technology (IT) leaders from 14 countries" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hats-state-enterprise-open-source-report-highlights-government-sector | Source: Red Hat Official http://techrights.org/2022/03/03/state-of-proprietary-software/
07:37 TR Bot; Red Hats The State of Enterprise Open Source report: Highlights from the government sector
07:37 TR Bot; Red Hats State of Enterprise Open Source Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights
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07:38 TR News; "Supporting up to four Raspberry Pi CM4 or Jetson Nano modules, the Turing Pi 2 is the newest cluster module from the same company that launched the Turing Pi V2 last year." https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-cluster-board-includes-rockchip-rk3588-soc-support/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
07:38 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-cluster-board-includes-rockchip-rk3588-soc-support/ )
07:38 TR News; Kubernetes 1.24: Introducing Non-Graceful Node Shutdown Alpha | Kubernetes https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/05/20/kubernetes-1-24-non-graceful-node-shutdown-alpha/ Source: kubernetes
07:38 TR Bot; Kubernetes 1.24: Introducing Non-Graceful Node Shutdown Alpha | Kubernetes
07:40 TR News; Gulag is selling FUD https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/identity-security/introducing-assured-open-source-software-service Avoid Gulag, it's no longer working for us in any way; it's an NSA front, one of many...
07:40 TR Bot; New from Google Cloud: Assured Open Source Software service | Google Cloud Blog
07:41 TR News; How Often Can You Be Infected With the Coronavirus? - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/16/health/covid-reinfection.html Source: nytimes
07:41 TR Bot; How Often Can You Be Infected With the Coronavirus? - The New York Times
07:42 TR News; How Bill Gates Impeded Global Access to Covid Vaccines - neritam https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/05/18/how-bill-gates-impeded-global-access-to-covid-vaccines/ Source: neritam
07:42 TR Bot; How Bill Gates Impeded Global Access to Covid Vaccines neritam
07:42 TR News; Software patents should not be legal, let alone "essential" https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13109-Intellectual-property-new-framework-for-standard-essential-patents_en
07:42 TR Bot; Have your say
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07:42 TR News; OnlyFans Star Got Her Instagram Back by Sleeping With Facebook Employees https://www.dailydot.com/irl/kittylixo-onlyfans-instagram-employees/ Source: dailydot
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07:43 TR News; inkscape https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.muylinux.com/2022/05/19/inkscape-1-2/
07:43 TR Bot; OnlyFans Star Got Her Instagram Back by Sleeping With Facebook Employees
07:43 schestowitz; x https://www.computerworld.com/article/3661429/microsoft-pledges-changes-to-european-cloud-licensing-policies.html
07:43 TR Bot; Inkscape 1.2 mejora la gestin de las pginas y las paletas de colores
07:43 TR Bot; pledges changes to European cloud licensing policies | Computerworld
07:44 TR News; "While its true that some plants thrive on neglect, many of them do just fine with a few ounces of water once a week" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/19/water-your-plants-just-four-times-per-year/ | Source: Hackaday
07:44 TR Bot; Your Plants Just Four Times Per Year | Hackaday
07:44 TR News; "Once you get tired of printing keychains and earbud holders with your 3D printer" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/19/put-a-new-spin-on-your-3d-printed-parts/ | Source: Hackaday
07:44 TR Bot; A New Spin On Your 3D Printed Parts | Hackaday
07:45 TR News; Assange https://dontextraditeassange.com/post/letter-from-adolfo-perez-esquivel-nobel-peace-laureate-to-uk-secretary-of-state-priti-patel/ | Source: Don't Extradite Assange
07:45 TR Bot; Letter from Adolfo Prez Esquivel, Nobel Peace laureate to UK Secretary of State Priti Patel - Don't Extradite Assange
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07:51 TR News; War on books https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/19/judy-blume-mo-willems-among-1300-childrens-authors-condemn-wave-book-suppression | Source: Common Dreams
07:51 TR Bot; Judy Blume, Mo Willems Among 1,300 Children's Authors to Condemn 'Wave of Book Suppression'
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07:54 TR News; Peru https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/perus-isps-show-imbalanced-commitments-users-privacy-new-hiperderechos-report | Source: EFF
07:54 TR Bot; Two of Peru's Top ISPs Improve Transparency Practices, While Two Competitors Lag Behind, New Hiperderecho's Report Shows | Electronic Frontier Foundation
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08:01 TR News; There are now about 198,000 deaths in the UK with COVID-19 on the death certificate https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom
08:01 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom )
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08:17 TR News; "From May to November 2022, our seminars focus on the theme of cross-disciplinary computing" https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/guzdial-teaspoon-computing-tsp-language-broadening-participation-school/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
08:17 TR Bot; A teaspoon of computing in every subject: Broadening participation in computer science - Raspberry Pi
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08:25 TR News; Microsoft helps this brutality https://scheerpost.com/2022/05/19/ice-probably-spied-on-you/ | Source: Scheerpost http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/
08:25 TR Bot; Probably Spied on You scheerpost.com
08:25 TR Bot; Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights
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08:35 TR News; Links 20/05/2022: Oracle Linux 8.6 and VMware Security Crisis | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/oracle-linux-8-6/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/20/oracle-linux-8-6/
08:35 TR Bot; Links 20/05/2022: Oracle Linux 8.6 and VMware Security Crisis | Techrights
08:37 TR News; Games: Old World, Broken Sword 5, Psychonauts 2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165052
08:37 TR Bot; Games: Old World, Broken Sword 5, Psychonauts 2 | Tux Machines
08:38 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165053
08:38 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
08:38 TR News; Devices/Embedded Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165054
08:38 TR Bot; Devices/Embedded Leftovers | Tux Machines
08:38 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165055
08:38 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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08:56 TR News; In KDE Neon I cannot install any new cursor. Latest ISO, I've tried about 20 cursor theme. No luck.
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 25.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 344.60
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09:09 matey; congrats to the dickument foundation
09:09 matey; who not only are arseholes
09:09 matey; it doesnt stop with cancelling stallman-- no, it never does-- they had to cancel SCROLLBARS too
09:09 matey; wtf
09:09 matey; i know its not intentional
09:09 matey; but i mean, windows 2.0 had scrollbars
09:09 matey; i think even 1.0 had scrollbars
09:10 matey; i think GEMDESK had scrollbars
09:10 matey; and the dickument people cant get this right?
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09:10 matey; (i checked, scrollbars are enabled)
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09:10 matey; its cute that you can turn them off-- individually.
09:10 matey; its cuter that they dont work anyway
09:11 matey; so id given up on libreoffice (i know im not the first person to complain about missing scrollbars in nonlibreoffice)
09:11 matey; i mean i migrated to a new os like a year and a half ago and i havent installed it since
09:12 matey; if i get an odt i just unzip it and muddle through the xml
09:12 matey; people can use that shit if they want
09:12 matey; ill just get the text-- images are kept in a folder, you can open those without libreoffice too
09:13 matey; but at this point i was trying to look at about 100 odt files, so i was like-- wth, ill see if it installs
09:13 matey; how do you fuck up scrollbars? i mean, this is like pissaudio comes to word processing.
09:14 matey; they might as well move to a browser based application. thats the kind of shit that results in shit like this.
09:14 matey; but then with collabora, thats probably what their future looks like anyway
09:14 matey; COLIN WATSON signed the anti-rms letter, why is this funny?
09:15 matey; its funny because he worked on vrms 20 years ago
09:15 matey; i guess he prefers the script version.
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09:15 matey; or maybe he will cancel that too
09:16 matey; uninstall vrms!
09:16 matey; rms never liked it, because it tried to do something he thinks a script cant do (or doesnt do well)
09:17 matey; these days its easier to write vrms but you need the right permissions
09:17 matey; sell out and make lieplanet a sandwich
09:17 matey; no
09:17 matey; sudo sell out and make lieplanet a sandwich
09:17 matey; okay
09:18 matey; (i dont think hes actually sold out os much as been forced to play along-- its not the same as selling out, usually silence isnt considered shilling)
09:18 matey; its not really shilling if you dont say anything bad about microsoft
09:19 matey; but you should anyway
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09:21 psydruid; Dead Rat is an OSPS company
09:22 matey; openly sleazy product-centric software
09:23 matey; please stand by while we remove your scrollbars
09:23 matey; this wont hurt a bit
09:23 matey; pgdn still works-- in fact everything does, even better than the previous version
09:23 matey; but its impossible to turn scrollbars on.
09:23 matey; /me claps
09:24 matey; maybe someone was hanging around apple and thought "hey! we need a missing 'headphone jack' in libreoffice too!"
09:24 matey; "that will be so cool-- and in its place, we will put..."
09:24 matey; /me checks online for a bluetooth based scrollbar, but cant find one
09:25 matey; i mean the scrollwheel on the mouse works, but pgdn is faster
09:25 matey; this is really stupid
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09:25 matey; this is what happens when bloat becomes an objective-- you pay so little attention to what matters that you break fucking features that people have relied on SINCE THE FUCKING 1980s
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09:26 matey; its garbageoffice now
09:26 matey; this is what open source does to software
09:27 matey; it collabora- tes with microsoft and breaks the simplest most important shit
09:27 psydruid; Dead rat must be buried or cremated
09:27 matey; all for bloat, hail bloat, heil bloat
09:27 psydruid; Their reason to exist is the same as Microsoft's
09:28 matey; how about we throw it in a fucking volcano
09:28 matey; i dont know, does microsoft try to kill jewish people?
09:28 psydruid; Software can't just be good because that doesn't bring in enough money
09:28 psydruid; I have no idea, I don't really follow Microsoft
09:28 matey; money cant just be good because it breaks software and computing in general
09:29 psydruid; Nor Dead Rat for that matter
09:30 IPFS; Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-19.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-20.gmi
09:30 psydruid; They played it well, though
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09:31 psydruid; Made a big stink out of Solaris and other Unices and when those were replaced they started turning GNU/Linux into crap
09:32 psydruid; And people who were locked in didn't really have anywhere to go, because Dead Rat is professional and cunning rat
09:32 psydruid; a*
09:35 matey; Dead Rat is professional
09:35 matey; yeah, a professional killer
09:35 matey; libreoffice has gotten so professional they killed scrollbars
09:35 matey; what are you going to do about it? fork it?
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09:35 matey; of course not, people will either suffer or use something else
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09:36 matey; the dickument foundation will blame the user while corralling people into systemd and whatever else
09:36 psydruid; All of this software is unforkable
09:36 matey; does libreoffice need pulseaudio too in gnu/linux? i dont know
09:36 matey; All of this software is unforkable <- thats the idea
09:36 matey; pretend freedom 3
09:37 matey; the dickument foundation gives you all 3 freedoms.
09:37 psydruid; The only thing you can do is to write a replacement from scratch
09:37 matey; and hope the people working on it are sane enough to not do things the dickument foundation way
09:37 psydruid; The freedom to fuck yourself over in different ways?
09:37 psydruid; I want to taste some of that freedom
09:38 matey; the freedom to fuck yourself over, the freedom to be fucked over, the freedom to be fucked over repeatedly
09:38 matey; theres no freedom to fuck over corporations
09:38 matey; corporations are fucking sacred
09:38 matey; fucking over a corporation is like going on a rampage against puppies everywhere
09:39 matey; its basically puppy 9/11 times a million
09:39 matey; thats 9 million, one hundred eleven thousand
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09:39 matey; sorry one hundred ten thousand
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09:40 matey; but we can throw in another 1000 puppies, whos going to stop us
09:40 matey; ibm is used to rampages in the millions, they like to help with the logistics
09:40 psydruid; I hope those puppies go to a haven of freedom
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09:41 psydruid; like a puppy camp
09:41 psydruid; IBM will take care of all of the supervision
09:41 matey; its funny that google hired out all the old unix people
09:41 psydruid; with cameras and all that
09:42 matey; because at bell labs, things worked extremely well for them but if anyone else wanted to work in peace they had to fork it
09:42 matey; which is sort of how it is for google now
09:42 psydruid; do you think these people brought that philosophy to google?
09:42 matey; want a version of unix that doesnt bankrupt you? write bsd
09:43 matey; want a free os that doesnt spy on you? fork... i dont know
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09:43 matey; do you think these people brought that philosophy to google? <- i think they reached an age where they cared less about such things
09:43 matey; age / tax-bracket
09:43 matey; rob pike was a unix guy-- google
09:43 matey; ken thompson-- invented unix-- google
09:43 SomeH4x0r; hi
09:44 matey; hi
09:44 psydruid; my golang way or the alternative way
09:44 matey; not much to like about golang
09:44 matey; i dont know if dennie ritchie worked on it
09:44 matey; dennis
09:45 matey; ken thomspon was the os guy
09:45 psydruid; brought to you by robus picus cuntus extraordinarius
09:45 matey; i mean, i dont know much about bcpl and b, i know unix wasnt ported to c until later
09:45 matey; rob pike seems not so horrible for a googler
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09:46 matey; i think-- i dont know know, really-- some of these people kind of sell out and compartmentalise
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09:46 matey; "yes, i work for google but"
09:46 matey; i mean its not, they worked for BELL LABS FIRST!
09:46 matey; bell labs wasnt exactly run by saints, they were big tech when whats now big tech was still working out of a garage
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09:47 matey; so its not like rob pike (to be fair about this) was working for some nice little company then sold out
09:47 matey; he was working for bell
09:47 matey; bell hasnt been a nice little company since the 1800s, and even then they were working with edison ffs
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09:48 matey; edison invented the kinds of practices that ibm and microsoft would be famous for
09:48 matey; it almost seems like he invented the eula
09:48 matey; he stole more than steve jobs dreamed of
09:48 matey; and his buddy ford liked hitler, iirc
09:48 matey; so you know, shades of the past, shades of the present
09:48 psydruid; google was always going to be their destination, even though it only came into existence much later
09:49 matey; bell used to make it illegal for you to connect anyone elses equipment to their network
09:49 matey; and they went too far, at one point someone made this metal thing
09:50 matey; basically a horn that attached to your phone so you could hear better
09:50 matey; no electronics
09:50 matey; and bell tried to say they forbade its use "on their network"
09:50 matey; and the courts were like-- yeah, no
09:50 matey; fuck off
09:50 matey; and eventually people started being allowed to use things like 3rd-party telephones and answering machines
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09:51 matey; but you used to have to RENT your phone from bell, not unlike people rent routers from isps today
09:51 matey; this was before my time of course
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09:51 matey; but ive heard stories, and they seem to be true
09:51 matey; lessig mentioned the same lawsuit i just did, with the phone attachment
09:52 psydruid; it was like that until the 90s here
09:53 matey; i wonder if we will have to rent scrollbars from libreoffice :)
09:53 psydruid; and now the former telecom monopolist is losing more and more customers to fibre
09:53 matey; you know, you get the basic package, it does everything except scroll through the fucking pages
09:53 matey; and thats a "buy in-game" cloud feature
09:53 psydruid; of course no one has a fixed phone line anymore
09:54 matey; you need an internet connection to activate your scrollbars, per-use
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09:54 matey; in the states, one of the few consumers laws that wasnt total shit was the telecom act of 1976
09:54 matey; it applies to copper lines, but not coax or fibre
09:55 psydruid; Dead rat has infiltrated the free software kingdom just like Microsoft has been doing
09:55 matey; so for many years, i stayed with dsl because fuck coax and fibre, there are no consumer laws that do a damned thing about those
09:55 psydruid; I'm surprised the former hasn't been bought by the latter yet
09:55 matey; Dead rat has infiltrated the free software kingdom just like Microsoft has been doing <- i said a year or two ago that youll understand ibm and microsoft better if you think of them as a single company (even if theyre not at all) than if you dont
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09:56 matey; even with the github purchase, its a useful perspective
09:56 matey; with copper lines the solution is simple
09:56 matey; they dont want to maintain them, they let them fall apart
09:57 matey; everyone will move to coax (ip telephony) and fibre (same) and mobile for phones
09:57 matey; and the copper lines (pots) will fall down on their own, never to be put back up
09:57 matey; i presume someone will salvage them for scrap
09:58 matey; most likely the phone companies
09:58 matey; maybe theyll sell the lines to the power companies
09:58 matey; they have trouble sending electricity over coax and glass
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09:59 matey; coax would never work over long distances and glass of course is an insulator
09:59 matey; youd have to drop the current down to be both safe and useless over coax
10:00 matey; the reason they use high voltage is it degrades less over distances
10:00 matey; but copper is copper and the power companies could use the lines to make new ones, or something
10:00 matey; maybe theyll make pennies out of them instead
10:00 matey; or bullets
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10:01 matey; ive only seen bullet casings in brass and other stuff, though maybe some copper tips or something (i really dont know)
10:02 matey; im sure they wont throw the old phone lines in a dump, too valuable
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10:05 psydruid; criminals often steal copper from train tracks here
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10:20 matey; /me runs 160 files with 60,000 lines of text including code through a variant of "uniq" and gets 11,000 lines from that
10:20 matey; uniq only removes consecutive repeats, which is often preferable-- this removes non-consecutive repeats
10:21 matey; if youre looking through 60,000 lines and have no use to read the same line twice, this is useful
10:21 matey; if that didnt come up i wouldnt have written it
10:23 psydruid; why do developers duplicate so much code?
10:23 psydruid; copypasta developers they are indeed
10:24 psydruid; making lots of spaghetti
10:27 psydruid; because they need to feed their children
10:29 matey; 20%
10:29 matey; ive looked through 32 of about 160 files
10:30 matey; im just reviewing the contents of them-- i dont need to look through anything twice
10:30 matey; to see whats there
10:38 matey; 50%
10:48 matey; 75%
10:49 matey; done!
10:50 matey; that could have taken 5 times longer... 09:20 09:49 it took 30 minutes, could have taken 3 hours
10:51 matey; it took less than 30 minutes to write that program and its already paid for itself at least 4 times
10:51 matey; such a simple thing too
10:52 matey; uniq doesnt need a buffer for the entire file, it can work on a stream
10:52 matey; this is more like sort-- sort needs to know all the input before it can give output
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 18.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 324.48
11:02 TR News; Sony https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/19/more-details-sony-reportedly-telling-its-game-studios-not-to-comment-on-abortion-issue/ | Source: Techdirt
11:02 TR Bot; Details: Sony Reportedly Telling Its Game Studios Not To Comment On Abortion Issue | Techdirt
11:04 TR News; "disinfo" as censorship pretext; sounds like something China and Russia do... https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/19/homeland-security-once-again-demonstrates-its-own-incompetence-pauses-orwellian-named-disinfo-board/ | Source: Techdirt
11:04 TR Bot; Security Once Again Demonstrates Its Own Incompetence, Pauses Orwellian Named Disinfo Board | Techdirt
11:09 TR News; "The Logitech Z906 is a well-rounded 5.1 surround sound system." https://hackaday.com/2022/05/19/hacking-the-logitech-z906-speaker-system/ | Source: Hackaday
11:09 TR Bot; The Logitech Z906 Speaker System | Hackaday
11:09 TR News; OpenCV https://hackaday.com/2022/05/19/opencv-running-on-tiny-microcontroller/ | Source: Hackaday
11:09 TR Bot; Running On A Tiny Microcontroller | Hackaday
11:11 TR News; "Last summer, the Supreme Court finally applied some common sense to the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA)." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/19/following-supreme-court-precedent-federal-court-says-unexpected-collection-of-data-doesnt-violate-the-cfaa/ | Source: Techdirt
11:11 TR Bot; Supreme Court Precedent, Federal Court Says Unexpected Collection Of Data Doesnt Violate The CFAA | Techdirt
11:13 TR News; "former Megaupload executives Mathias Ortmann and Bram van der Kolk revealed that they had reached a deal" https://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-pair-face-10-years-in-prison-on-new-organized-crime-charges-220519/ | Source: Torrent Freak
11:13 TR Bot; Pair Face 10 Years in Prison on New Organized Crime Charges * TorrentFreak
11:14 TR News; MKVCage https://torrentfreak.com/court-foreign-torrent-site-operator-can-be-sued-in-the-us-220519/ | Source: Torrent Freak
11:14 TR Bot; Foreign Torrent Site Operator Can Be Sued in the US * TorrentFreak
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11:15 TR News; "Her work spans international and continental work to advance the library sector as a key player in education" https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/19/episode-31-open-culture-voices-buhle-mbambo-thata/ | Source: Creative Commons
11:15 TR Bot; Episode 31: Open Culture VOICES Buhle Mbambo-Thata - Creative Commons
11:15 TR News; "she was scientific advisor at the National Institute of Art History from 2008 to 2016" https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/19/episode-32-open-culture-voices-martine-denoyelle/ | Source: Creative Commons
11:15 TR Bot; Episode 32: Open Culture VOICES Martine Denoyelle - Creative Commons
11:18 TR News; "On March 10, two workers at a construction site in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, were straddling a steel beam 15 feet in the air" https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/immigrant-workers-exploitation-alba/ | Source: The Nation
11:18 TR Bot; Immigrant Construction Workers Fight Back Against Exploitation | The Nation
11:32 TR News; ICE https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/05/19/ice-spying-you blame Microsoft, too http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/
11:32 TR Bot; Opinion | ICE Is Spying on You | Farrah Hassen
11:32 TR Bot; Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights
11:44 matey; so this is fun
11:44 matey; ive reached the limit on windows i can have open?
11:44 matey; somehow
11:44 matey; i can close one and open another
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11:45 matey; this has got to be a setting of some kind
11:45 matey; or a bug in x
11:47 matey; this is the first time ive discoved this (non?) limit in a year and a half
11:48 matey; ill have to see if i can recreate it predictably on another machine
11:48 matey; obviously i have too many things im working on to fuck around (deliberately at least) with this one
11:49 matey; oh, also let it be known i dont have a lot of ram (by any standards) on this machine
11:49 matey; and ive got a window open with hundreds of mb of text cached in the ram
11:49 matey; which COULD BE a factor here
11:52 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, May 19, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/irc-log-190522/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/20/irc-log-190522/
11:52 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, May 19, 2022 | Techrights
11:52 psydroid2; I don't think I've run into any such limitations so far
11:53 TR News; Ubuntu vs Manjaro: Comparing the Different Linux Experiences Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165056
11:53 TR Bot; Ubuntu vs Manjaro: Comparing the Different Linux Experiences | Tux Machines
11:55 MinceR; afaik X doesn't really treat top-level windows specially
11:55 MinceR; so all sorts of widgets inside your windows might also count against such a limit, if there was one
11:56 matey; <psydroid2> I don't think I've run into any such limitations so far <- i never have
11:56 matey; ive got well over 200 days of uptime, everythings running smoothly
11:56 matey; ive put this thing through hell all week
11:57 matey; and not even the browser has fallen over
11:57 matey; but if i open more than 70 something windows :)
11:57 matey; which i usually have no need for
11:57 matey; at some point i try to open another fucking xterm and it just wont
11:57 matey; until i close a window
11:58 matey; then it opens the one it "refused" to before.
11:58 matey; this is fascinating, ill try to recreate it when i get the chance
11:58 TR News; 10 Fun Free and Open Source Turn-Based Strategy Games Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165057
11:58 TR Bot; 10 Fun Free and Open Source Turn-Based Strategy Games | Tux Machines
11:58 *psydroid2 had 400 Firefox browser tabs across 20 windows open on a system with a dualcore processor and 4 GB of RAM back in 2008
11:58 matey; ive got SHITLOADS of stuff open and ive been doing stuff by the tens of thousands all week
11:58 matey; <psydroid2> ACTION had 400 Firefox browser tabs across 20 windows open on a system with a dualcore processor and 4 GB of RAM back in 2008
11:59 matey; yeah ive got similar specs here
11:59 matey; plus ive got a browser with literally 300 (closer to 400) tabs open as we speak
11:59 matey; and browsers are a fucking beast compared to what they were 12 years ago
11:59 matey; text editors open with hundreds of mb of data
12:00 matey; and this is the kicker
12:00 psydroid2; I got into an argument with Christopher Blizzard on his blog (0xdeadbeef)
12:00 matey; ive still got loads of free ram
12:00 psydroid2; because I said that the browser becoming slow and unresponsive was unacceptable
12:00 TR News; Today I see a headline speaking of a "Post-"Roe" World". I didn't know the United States is the world. Most of the world is still civilised enough.
12:00 matey; but ive got more stuff open than usual, i mean
12:00 matey; without a tiling wm i couldnt manage 70 fucking open windows (on a single monitor)
12:00 TR News; Bush https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/19/telling-slip-george-w-bush-condemns-unjustified-and-brutal-invasion-iraq | Source: Common Dreams
12:00 TR Bot; In Telling Slip, George W. Bush Condemns the 'Unjustified and Brutal Invasion of Iraq'
12:01 psydroid2; they only started using processes years later when everyone and their cat had already moved over to chrome/ium
12:02 matey; well browser performance on gnu/linux was getting to the point where i wanted to beat someone
12:02 matey; we all get impatient sometimes, but at the moment-- i dont know, ive used the browser less this week because i was busy
12:02 matey; but i dont have any major complaints atm
12:02 matey; i would like it if the browser was more lightweight though
12:03 TR News; Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/dojs-new-cfaa-policy-good-start-does-not-go-far-enough-protect-security | Source: EFF
12:03 TR Bot; DOJs New CFAA Policy is a Good Start But Does Not Go Far Enough to Protect Security Researchers | Electronic Frontier Foundation
12:03 psydroid2; I don't have many complaints anymore either
12:03 psydroid2; because wherever possible I've stopped using the browser
12:03 matey; right?
12:04 matey; ive got hundreds of tabs open because ive been working with (tens of) thousands of webpages (recently)
12:04 matey; for the past few months
12:04 TR News; Buffalo https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/19/nys-attorney-general-launches-ridiculous-blatantly-unconstitutional-investigations-into-websites-the-buffalo-shooter-used/ | Source: Techdirt
12:04 TR Bot; Launches Ridiculous, Blatantly Unconstitutional Investigations Into Twitch, Discord; Deflecting Blame From NYs Own Failings | Techdirt
12:05 TR News; So-called "broadband" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/19/billions-in-broadband-funding-begin-to-flow-before-weve-mapped-broadband-gaps/ | Source: Techdirt
12:05 TR Bot; In Broadband Funding Begin To Flow Before Weve Mapped Broadband Gaps | Techdirt
12:05 psydroid2; I do think code bloat is a big problem but there are no easy solutions
12:06 psydroid2; because the entire stack has been infected
12:06 matey; most of it
12:06 matey; still, in terms of stability
12:07 TR News; "Clearviews facial recognition AI business model has always been fuck everything. The company scraped the open web of all the data it could find" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/19/clearview-settles-lawsuit-agrees-to-stop-doing-business-in-illinois/ | Source: Techdirt
12:07 TR Bot; Settles Lawsuit, Agrees To Stop Doing Business In Illinois | Techdirt
12:07 matey; for what im running, it doesnt even feel like an os
12:07 matey; it feels like something military-grade
12:07 matey; i dont mean in terms of security
12:07 TR News; "Popular Informations Tesnim Zekeria about baby formula shortages" https://fair.org/home/we-live-in-an-economy-that-provides-little-support-to-new-parents/ | Source: FAIR
12:07 TR Bot; 'We Live in an Economy That Provides Little Support to New Parents' - FAIR
12:07 matey; i mean in terms of stability
12:07 matey; i used to have some mil-spec laptops
12:07 MinceR; could be a limitation in the window manager, for all i know
12:07 matey; made of titanium
12:07 TR News; "work much with computers at a low level" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/19/scotts-cpu-from-the-bottom-up/ | Source: Hackaday
12:07 TR Bot; CPU From The Bottom Up | Hackaday
12:08 matey; this environment feels like that
12:08 matey; well i wouldnt switch to a less limited wm if its that
12:08 matey; i mean
12:08 matey; im definitely going to experiment with this
12:08 psydroid2; I think openbsd could be a very good operating system with a few improvements (not IBM Dead Rat "improvements")
12:08 matey; see if i can find the limits on a system that hasnt done so much this week
12:08 psydroid2; so I am glad IBM Dead Rat chose GNU/Linux as its victim
12:08 matey; i ran a file that was less than a second long on mplayer on a loop this week
12:09 schestowitz; code blaot can be a non-problem
12:09 schestowitz; just modularise it
12:09 psydroid2; just get rid of it
12:09 schestowitz; that take s alot of extra work though
12:09 schestowitz; wordpress used to do that
12:09 matey; bloat runs faster than modularisation
12:09 schestowitz; until wordpress itself, the core, became bloat
12:09 psydroid2; not if you design and implement things correctly
12:09 schestowitz; and worse, JS mess
12:09 psydroid2; which few developers manage to do these days
12:09 matey; just like software bloat outruns moores law
12:09 matey; it outruns organised code
12:10 psydroid2; wirth's law
12:10 schestowitz; writing more lines of code is easy
12:10 matey; <psydroid2> which few developers manage to do these days <- exactly
12:10 schestowitz; you can write bad code at 50 LOCs per hour
12:10 schestowitz; and it'll work
12:10 matey; there are to real-life solutions to bloat
12:10 matey; 1. prevent it
12:10 schestowitz; but after 100 hours you get a monster
12:10 matey; 2. replace it
12:10 psydroid2; those are the only 2 solutions indeed
12:10 matey; the third option is manage it, which is a desperate move that works only sometimes
12:11 psydroid2; but no one wants to mention the elephant in the room
12:11 psydroid2; IBM Dead Rat is good for managing it
12:11 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/251427
12:11 TR Bot; I took a denazification course. I'm aware of my guilt. Kherson resident forced to apologize to Russian military on camera
12:11 schestowitz; matey: did you watch that LP video?
12:11 schestowitz; where he attacks Linux?
12:11 matey; hes an idiot
12:11 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/05/16/elce-pseudo-novelty/
12:11 TR Bot; IBMs Lennart Poettering on Breaking Software for Pseudo Novelty | Techrights
12:11 psydroid2; Lennart Potter
12:11 matey; i mean clearly hes clever in some arenas
12:12 psydroid2; Harry Putering and Lennart Putering
12:12 psydroid2; guess what abomination can come out of that?
12:12 TR News; "There are two ways for a server serial console to work in the x86 world." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/SerialConsolesUnappealing | Source: uni Toronto
12:12 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/SerialConsolesUnappealing
12:12 psydroid2; what about not working in the x86 world
12:12 matey; hairy poettering and the goblet of bloat
12:12 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/20/7347388/
12:12 TR Bot; Another Mariupol: Haidai posts photo of Rubizhne, which has been destroyed by the Russians | Ukrayinska Pravda
12:13 matey; hairy poettering and the shutdown stone
12:13 TR News; "Software Engineering vacancies at Canonical are numerous" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/canonical-linux-gaming-job-advert | Source: Tom's Hardware
12:13 TR Bot; Canonical Job Advert Suggests Expanding 'Ubuntu Gaming' Team | Tom's Hardware
12:13 matey; hairy poettering and the chamber of c init code
12:13 matey; hairy poettering and the half-bloat prince
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12:14 matey; you shouldnt laugh at your own jokes, but that one made me giggle
12:14 matey; hairy poettering and the goblet <- and the cpu on fire
12:17 psydroid2; this should become an entire bestseller series
12:17 psydroid2; it's ok, it happens to me plenty of times
12:18 psydroid2; https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/key-investments-advance-data-center-sustainability.html
12:18 TR Bot; Makes Key Investments to Advance Data Center Sustainability
12:19 psydroid2; Intel greenwashing and pollutionwashing
12:20 matey; trust our bloated cpu
12:20 matey; risc will never be powerful enough
12:21 matey; intel is mother, intel is father
12:21 matey; cancel stallman, systemd is king
12:22 *psydroid2 believes it's pathetic to be so tied to an ISA, especially for a semiconductor company
12:22 matey; cancel linus, you need intel. you NEED intel!
12:22 TR News; "I only arrived back on the Linux desktop recently in the context of games" https://rubenerd.com/time-splits-between-oss-via-mark-c/ | Source: Ruben Schade
12:22 TR Bot; Time splits between various OSs, via Mark C.
12:22 matey; they didnt even design it
12:22 psydroid2; yes
12:22 matey; they were hired to manufacture it
12:22 matey; then they bought the rights
12:23 psydroid2; x86 should have died in the late 80s
12:23 matey; theyre the microsoft in hardware-- right down to their biggest innovation
12:23 matey; microsoft of hardware
12:23 psydroid2; it's not that intel didn't try to replace it
12:23 psydroid2; they just never succeeded
12:23 matey; intel tried to go 64bit
12:23 matey; amd managed
12:23 matey; risc managed too
12:23 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1527405751546826756
12:23 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile on Russian state TV: Professor Alexei Fenenko, leading research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies, says that for Russia, its war in Ukraine is a rehearsal for a potential larger conflict with NATO countries." | nitter
12:24 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1527501602378104840
12:24 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Head of RT Margarita Simonyan bowed to the Russian troops while appearing on state TV. She thanked them "for everything they're doing" in Ukraine. When you see that, remember all the suffering innocents who have been raped, murdered, bombed, shot, displaced & forcefully deported." | nitter
12:24 psydroid2; risc was 64-bit in 1990
12:24 psydroid2; with mips and soon after alpha
12:24 TR News; "Why might you want to run CURRENT?" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165059 | Source: Klara
12:24 TR Bot; Evaluating FreeBSD CURRENT for Production Use | Tux Machines
12:24 psydroid2; IBM had it many years before
12:24 matey; naturally
12:25 matey; vax was 32bit when, 70s or 80s
12:25 psydroid2; yes
12:25 TR News; "wrote in what are believed to be his online journals that he learned how to illegally modify his rifle by watching YouTube videos" https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/buffalo-shooting-shooter-payton-gendron-video-youtube-gun-rcna29709 | Source: NBC
12:25 TR Bot; Buffalo shooting: YouTube videos that taught suspect to modify gun are still online
12:25 matey; it takes more time to get that power into little computers
12:25 matey; when its already in the larger ones
12:25 TR News; "As part of restoring my Amiga 1000 into the beautiful machine it once was, I wanted to be able to use the floppy drive without having to use a USB stick" https://linuxjedi.co.uk/2022/05/14/amiga-1000-restoration-floppy-drive-and-wcs-failure/ | Source: Andrew Hutchings
12:25 TR Bot; Amiga 1000 Restoration: Floppy Drive and WCS Failure? LinuxJedi's /dev/null
12:26 psydroid2; it's always about more performance
12:26 TR News; "The Pi does not perform swimmingly. But... I did get a single array of 60 hard drives20TB Exos HDDs to be exact" https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/petabyte-pi-project | Source: Jeff Geerling
12:26 TR Bot; The Petabyte Pi Project | Jeff Geerling
12:26 psydroid2; but what if I want the same performance in 1W instead of 5W?
12:26 matey; right
12:26 matey; and i still dont like 64bit when i dont have gobs of free ram
12:26 psydroid2; I think we are reaching the point of more "diversity" in silicon
12:26 psydroid2; I understand
12:27 TR News; "repurposed Anet A8 Plus 3D printer" https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/18/this-robotic-system-automatically-scans-film-slides-on-its-own/ | Source: Arduino
↺ https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/18/this-robotic-system-automatically-scans-film-slides-on-its-own/
12:27 TR Bot; This robotic system automatically scans film slides on its own | Arduino Blog
12:27 psydroid2; on RISC-V and especially ARM that is becoming harder
12:27 psydroid2; some modern 64-bit chips don't support 32-bit instructions anymore
12:28 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165058
12:28 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
12:28 psydroid2; in the case of ARM there is only one general-purpose core left that does
12:28 TR News; Evaluating FreeBSD CURRENT for Production Use Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165059
12:28 psydroid2; but that is also the case of a cleaned up ISA
12:29 TR News; "I wanted to grab a CSV version of a JSON representation of an entityset in the Northwind OData service." https://qmacro.org/blog/posts/2022/05/19/json-object-values-into-csv-with-jq/ | Source: DJ Adams
12:29 TR Bot; JSON object values into CSV with jq | DJ Adams
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12:30 IPFS; Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-19.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-20.gmi
12:32 TR News; "What I really want, though, is a solution that lets me diff two pieces of text that arent yet files." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/quick-dirty-text-diffing/ | Source: Jim Nielsen
12:32 TR Bot; Quick and Dirty Text Diffing - Jim Nielsens Blog
12:33 TR News; "I've loved typing for decades. But I recently got with handwriting implements, and was astonished by how less manic I felt capturing rumination at that pace." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/956
12:35 TR News; the new and upgraded framework laptop gemini://erock.io/2022/05/19/new-framework-laptop.gmi
12:36 TR News; A Storm Before Skiing gemini://sprock.dev/posts/storm-before-skiing.gmi
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12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 41.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 340.71
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13:06 XRevan86; https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/105/693/784/760/562/395/original/5c2a7bb89a769e9e.jpg
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13:15 TR News; "" https://www.erlang.org/news/157 | Source: Erlang
13:15 TR Bot; Erlang/OTP 25.0 Release - Erlang/OTP
13:15 TR News; "Since I was unable to travel for a couple of years during the pandemic" https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=6375 | Source: Bunnie Huang
13:15 TR Bot; Rust: A Critical Retrospective bunnie's blog
13:16 TR News; "I wrote my first programs in PHP today (with a lot of help from the [Internet])" https://jamesg.blog/2022/05/18/learning-php/ | Source: James G
13:16 TR Bot; Learning PHP: The Beginning | James' Coffee Blog
13:16 TR News; [Old] "When I started to self-host some of the online services I depend on, this was a natural first target" https://www.nfsmith.ca/articles/self-hosting-part-2/ |
13:16 TR Bot; Nathan Smith
13:17 TR News; "For programmers, Bash enables you to efficiently search for particular keywords" https://earthly.dev/blog/bash-read-files/ | Source: Earthly
13:17 TR Bot; Using Bash to Read Files - Earthly Blog
13:18 TR News; "It's sometimes a bit hard to follow how you are to do things, but overall I quite like it." https://bjhess.com/blog/2022/HTML-only-backstory/ | Source: Barry Hess
13:18 TR Bot; I Went HTML Only :: Barry Hess :: bjhess.com
13:19 TR News; "Earlier this year, Cendyne published A Deep Dive into Ed25519 Signatures" https://soatok.blog/2022/05/19/guidance-for-choosing-an-elliptic-curve-signature-algorithm-in-2022/ | Source: Dhole Moments
13:19 TR Bot; Guidance for Choosing an Elliptic Curve Signature Algorithm in 2022 - Dhole Moments
13:29 TR News; "his failure to anticipate a crisis of supply" https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-global-access-covid-vaccines | Source: New Republic
13:29 TR Bot; Bill Gates, Vaccine Monster | The New Republic
13:30 TR News; "Gates has been tacitly and explicitly defending the legitimacy of knowledge monopolies since his first Gerald Fordera missives against open-source software hobbyists." https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-global-access-covid-vaccines
13:31 TR News; "He was on the side of these monopolies during the miserable depths of the 1990s African AIDS crisis. Hes still there today, defending the status quo and running effective interference for those profiting by the billions from their control of Covid-19 vaccines." https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-global-access-covid-vaccines
13:34 TR News; Microsoft Windows cost/true Windows TCO https://cacm.acm.org/news/261085-new-approach-for-faster-ransomware-detection/fulltext | Source: ACM
13:34 TR Bot; New Approach for Faster Ransomware Detection | News | Communications of the ACM
13:34 TR News; "I learned recently that PGP keys can be used for SSH authentication." https://www.nfsmith.ca/articles/gpg-ssh/ |
13:34 TR Bot; Nathan Smith
13:36 TR News; "The outlets sources indicate the plan is for ad-supported games that draw from the library of its parent company, ByteDance" https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/19/23131385/tiktok-gaming-tests-livestream-zynga-html5-bytedance | Source: The Verge
13:36 TR Bot; TikTok reportedly plans a major push into gaming and games livestreamers could play with viewers - The Verge
13:36 TR News; "Even the vice-president at Uniphore admits the limitations of the technology." https://www.tanyagoodin.com/2022/05/zoom-uncomfortable-emotion-ai/ |
13:36 TR Bot; Your Zoom Call Just Got Even More Uncomfortable | Emotion AI
13:36 TR News; "But four years later, it hasnt taken over the market most people have simply forgotten about it." https://theconversation.com/facebook-dating-was-set-to-take-over-the-market-instead-it-was-dead-in-the-water-181375 | Source: The Conversation
13:36 TR Bot; Facebook Dating was set to take over the market instead it was dead in the water
13:37 TR News; "" https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/19/23131268/ford-f-150-lightning-truck-phone-as-key-delay | Source: The Verge
13:37 TR Bot; F-150 Lightning owners cant use their phones as keys until late summer - The Verge
13:39 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/05/20/german-ex-chancellor-schroder-steps-down-as-rosneft-board-chairman-news "German ex-chancellor Schrder steps down as Rosneft board chairman"
13:39 TR Bot; .
13:39 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/20/7347436/
13:39 TR Bot; Russian military shelled a school in Sievierodonetsk: three people killed | Ukrayinska Pravda
13:41 TR News; "Ever since the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) in late 2008, central banks have kept real interest rates close to, and for much of the time below, zero." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/05/metastablecoins.html | Source: David Rosenthal
13:41 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: Metastablecoins
13:41 TR News; "The oil and gas industry is largely foreign-owned so outside of salaries paid in Australia most benefits of the industrys activities go offshore." https://gerikson.com/blog/comm/Libera-one-year.html | Source: Gustaf Erikson
13:41 TR Bot; Libera.chat, one year later - The occasional scrivener - Gustaf Erikson's blog
13:42 TR News; "People who put their hard-earned cash into a tumbling cryptocurrency unit that is at the heart of the latest sharp decline in digital coins may be regretting they did not read a recent paper by Canadian financial technology scholar" https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/crpto-tumble-column-don-pittis-1.6450411 | Source: CBC
13:42 TR Bot; Crypto markets tumble and investors get their fingers burned | CBC News
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13:45 TR News; Number of working/active Gemini capsules known to Lupa fast approach 1965
13:46 TR News; Social Control Media [sic] is harmful https://www.teenvogue.com/story/social-media-platforms-voting-snapchat | Source: Teen Vogue
13:46 TR Bot; Social Media Platforms and Voting: Do Registration Efforts Actually Work? | Teen Vogue
13:46 TR News; "Weve seen signs of a looming splinternet for years" https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/05/protecting-the-internet-as-we-know-it-three-things-you-can-do-today-to-stop-the-splinternet/ | Source: Internet Society
13:46 TR Bot; Protecting the Internet As We Know It Three Things You Can Do Today To Stop the Splinternet - Internet Society
13:48 TR News; Social control media = Misinformation/Disinformation AMPLIFIED. "However, that claim about Costco hiking its prices is false." https://www.salon.com/2022/05/19/swallows-fake-news-on-costco-hot-dog-price-hike/ | Source: Salon
13:48 TR Bot; GOP swallows fake news on Costco hot dog price hike | Salon.com
13:49 TR News; Social control media is a weapon for liars and frauds (like Musk) because there's no fact-checking
13:55 TR News; Coalition to Boris Johnson: Sanctions must protect Russian internet access https://www.accessnow.org/internet-access-russia-belarus-uk-government-letter/ we have our own Putin, another bloodthirsty mobster
13:55 TR Bot; Coalition to Boris Johnson: Sanctions must protect Russian internet access
13:55 TR News; Letter to U.K. government: Do not disrupt internet access in Russia or Belarus https://www.accessnow.org/letter-to-uk-government-do-not-disrupt-internet-access-in-russia-or-belarus/
13:55 TR Bot; Letter to U.K. government: Do not disrupt internet access in Russia or Belarus - Access Now
13:57 TR News; Microsoft and its minions in ZDNet spread FUD against Linux. Microsoft hates Linux. Linux Foundation won't do a thing about it! http://techrights.org/2022/05/18/funded-by-puppies/
13:57 TR Bot; Jim Zemlins Wife is Funded by Puppies (Microsoft) | Techrights
13:59 TR News; "A Meta executive told employees on Thursday that they are prohibited from talking about abortion on Workplace" https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/19/23131714/meta-ban-abortion-discussion-at-work-facebook-workplace-roe-v-wade | Source: The Verge
13:59 TR Bot; Meta tells employees to stop discussing abortion at work - The Verge
14:01 TR News; BillBC, protector of pedophiles, on MI5 agents blackmailing people https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61508520
14:01 TR Bot; MI5 agent used secret status to terrorise girlfriend - BBC News
14:01 TR News; "She was accused of sending blasphemous messages to a group chat after refusing to date" https://www.christianpost.com/news/islamic-cleric-defends-murder-of-christian-woman-report.html | Source: Christian Post
14:01 TR Bot; Islamic cleric defends murder of Christian woman: report | World News
14:03 TR News; "In 2013, the Internet Society, in partnership with the Africa Top Level Domain (AfTLD) and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)" https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/05/strengthening-africas-domain-name-system/ | Source: Internet Society
14:03 TR Bot; Strengthening Africas Domain Name System - Internet Society
14:04 TR News; "Without the Deck UI, the Steam Deck is just a boring handheld PC. But for all those masochists who love inferior user experiences, the Windows audio driver is now available!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Pbjxxo2lIw4
14:04 TR Bot; You can now HEAR how bad Windows sucks on the Steam Deck. (Plus other Steam Deck News) - Invidious
14:05 TR News; Fakecoin charlatans https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/22/05/27266273/9-members-of-dogecoin-foundation-who-they-are-what-they-do
14:05 TR Bot; Members Of Dogecoin Foundation: Who They Are, What They Do - Benzinga
14:12 TR News; Totally fake 'security' https://www.darkreading.com/careers-and-people/-isc-unveils-100k-in-the-uk-scheme-to-expand-the-uk-cybersecurity-workforce-with-100-000-free-entry-level-certification-exams-and-education-opportunities
14:12 TR Bot; (ISC) Unveils 100K in the UK Scheme to Expand the UK Cybersecurity Workforce with 100,000 Free Entry-Level Certification Exams and Education Opportunities
14:17 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165060
14:17 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
14:18 TR News; "Based on Fedora" Ultramarine 36 is released https://ultramarine-linux.org/
14:18 TR Bot; Ultramarine Linux
14:21 TR News; Today too Phoronix is pushing lots of Microsoft and AMD. I don't even wish to link to it....
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14:21 TR News; "this is another Micrononical development" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1324694-ubuntu-desktop-exploring-microsoft-azure-ad-integration http://techrights.org/2022/05/11/canonical-boosting-windows/
14:21 TR Bot; Desktop Exploring Microsoft Azure AD Integration - Phoronix Forums
14:22 TR Bot; Ubuntu (Canonical) Will Not Help Us Get Rid of Windows (Microsoft) | Techrights
14:23 TR News; "Now that FESCo has decided (1) that Fedora will keep supporting BIOS booting, the people working on Fedora's bootloader stack will need help from the Fedora community to keep Fedora booting on systems which require Legacy BIOS to boot." https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/NMNQC2RX42QWPACLAMXJE4Z4U24YI35G/ http://techrights.org/2022/04/08/planned-obsolescence-ibm/
14:23 TR Bot; Announcing the Fedora BIOS boot SIG - devel - Fedora Mailing-Lists
14:23 TR Bot; IBM and Fedora: Stop Being Poor! Buy a New PC! | Techrights
14:24 TR News; "The goal of this SIG is to help the folks working on Fedora's bootloader stack to keep Fedora booting on systems which require Legacy BIOS to boot." https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/BiosBoot "Legacy" is a loaded propaganda term
14:24 TR Bot; SIGs/BiosBoot - Fedora Project Wiki
14:25 TR News; [PATCH v4 0/2] x86/fpu: Make AMX state ready for CPU idle - Chang S. Bae https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pm/20220517222430.24524-1-chang.seok.bae@intel.com/ Source: intel
14:25 TR Bot; [PATCH v4 0/2] x86/fpu: Make AMX state ready for CPU idle - Chang S. Bae
14:26 TR News; xwayland: Add -force-xrandr-emulation switch https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=7cdcdfea08ad9d63466286a6f94783cbf5fc3717&utm_source=anzwix
14:26 TR Bot; xorg/xserver - X server (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver)
14:27 TR News; "Galleon Systems GPS NTP time server had a command injection vulnerability in the firmware of their NTS GPS device which could allow total control of the device through the web management interface." https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/galleon-nts-6002-gps-command-injection-vulnerability-cve-2022-27224/
14:27 TR Bot; Galleon NTS-6002-GPS Command Injection vulnerability (CVE-2022-27224) | Pen Test Partners
14:28 TR News; Hans de Goede still works for ICBM. So many of his colleagues left already. https://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/26260.html
14:28 TR Bot; Announcing the Fedora BIOS boot SIG - Hans' hacking log LiveJournal
14:29 TR News; ICBM pretends that CentOS is still a thing https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-20-2022/ almost all the CentOS people have resigned
14:29 TR Bot; CPE Weekly Update - Week 20 2022 Fedora Community Blog
14:30 TR News; "Smart" is for dumb consumers https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/05/bluetooth-flaw-allows-remote-unlocking-of-digital-locks.html
14:30 TR Bot; Flaw Allows Remote Unlocking of Digital Locks - Schneier on Security
14:31 TR News; Wait until they find out the car too can be hijacked and controlled remotely https://jalopnik.com/researchers-break-into-a-tesla-and-drive-away-using-blu-1848938417
14:31 TR Bot; Hackers Break Into Teslas and Digital Locks That Use Bluetooth
14:34 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165061
14:34 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:34 matey; xrevan86 i found a very naughty thing that insane people can add to their python 3 code-- you wont like it
14:34 matey; its not SO MUCH worse than what you showed me
14:34 matey; hold your nose:
14:35 TR News; Mozilla opens testing for Manifest v3 extensions in Firefox http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165050#comment-33742
14:35 TR Bot; Firefox for Android no longer gives the user control over the browsing experience. Privacy Browser turns off JavaScript by default. | Tux Machines
14:35 matey; import codecs
14:35 matey; codecs.register_error("strict", codecs.ignore_errors)
14:35 matey; "that does it matey, im not talking to you anymore"
14:35 matey; believe me i understand
14:36 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165062
14:36 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:36 TR News; Taking a Break from Social Media Makes you Happier and Less Anxious - Study Hacks - Cal Newport https://www.calnewport.com/blog/2022/05/16/taking-a-break-from-social-media-makes-you-happier-and-less-anxious/
14:36 TR Bot; Taking a Break from Social Media Makes you Happier and Less Anxious - Study Hacks - Cal Newport
14:38 psydroid2; python 3 commits suicide if you give it the right orders?
14:38 matey; howeverno it commits suicide by default
14:39 matey; because if you see a little fucky unicode, you should pull the pin on a grenade and hold it close to your body
14:39 TR News; The locking should be the LEAST of the worries https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-cars-bluetooth-locks-vulnerable-hackers-researchers-2022-05-17/ "smart" cars = back doors http://techrights.org/2021/12/20/not-so-smart-cars/
14:39 matey; dont by any means keep calm and carry on
14:39 TR Bot; cars, Bluetooth locks, vulnerable to hackers, researchers say | Reuters
14:39 TR Bot; Smart People Reject the Newest Cars | Techrights
14:39 matey; i mean it really depends on your goals
14:39 matey; if 90% of what you do with python is shell stuff
14:39 TR News; A programmers guide to GNU C Compiler | https://opensource.com/article/22/5/gnu-c-compiler Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
14:39 TR Bot; programmer's guide to GNU C Compiler | Opensource.com
14:40 matey; you certainly want the OPTIONS of strict warnings but
14:40 matey; i mean the shell barely distinguishes between a number and a fucking string!
14:40 matey; i think javascript is (just slightly) stricter
14:40 TR News; KDAB at Embedded World 2022 in Nuremberg - KDAB https://www.kdab.com/embedded-world-2022-in-nuremberg/ Source: kdab
14:40 TR Bot; at Embedded World 2022 in Nuremberg - KDAB
14:40 matey; i dont want the shell to stop running when i paste a string into it
14:41 matey; and you know, this is why error trapping exists
14:41 TR News; Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165063
14:41 TR Bot; Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:41 matey; but relying on error trapping where loading unicode is concerned
14:41 matey; is like relying on a felt hat when someone has a gun to your head
14:42 matey; so my attitude is "fuck all this, ignore the errors and RUN THE FUCKING PROGRAM"
14:42 TR News; "I abandoned the idea to interview children younger than 9 years because it seems they are not necessarily aware that they are using the internet." https://curlybracket.net/2022/05/20/internet-kids-pt2.html
14:42 TR Bot; How do kids conceive the internet? - part 2 | curlybracket - Ulrike Uhlig - illustration
14:42 matey; i was happier when it was the default
14:42 matey; and it only took years to find a way to get that.
14:42 matey; python 3 is GREAT
14:43 TR News; Funny as the so-called "professionals" I know are chronic liars and manipulative assholes //jacobian.org/2022/may/19/honesty/
14:43 matey; years later when you find the fix
14:43 matey; its still tedious to implement
14:43 matey; i switched to python because it was simple.
14:43 matey; it WAS simple.
14:43 matey; it was optionally ridiculous. i was okay with that, as long as it was optional.
14:44 matey; then some dicks came in and tried to push for all of that as defaults
14:44 matey; you know, if wanted to code in a REAL LANGUAGE, id use a REAL LANGUAGE
14:44 matey; not this
14:44 matey; i wanted a fun language that let me get real work done
14:44 matey; thats what python used to be like
14:45 matey; now it seems like a career in law would be less tedious and detail-oriented
14:45 TR News; "Gatess deepest ideological commitments, not just to intellectual [sic] property [sic] rights [sic] but also to the conflation of these rights with an imaginary free market in pharmaceuticalsan industry dominated by companies whose power derives from politically constructed and politically imposed monopolies." https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-global-access-covid-vaccines
14:45 TR Bot; Bill Gates, Vaccine Monster | The New Republic
14:45 matey; i think about a lua like someone in a dead-end job thinks about vacation, but really luas been an option forever and i havent switched yet
14:46 matey; i knew about lua before i even WANTED python-- so like 13 years ago
14:46 matey; people who want to understand my feelings on python...
14:46 matey; basically i want a friendlier more powerful AWK
14:47 matey; "thats exactly why perl"
14:47 matey; NO, FUCK perl
14:47 matey; perl is basically aids, only slightly more useful
14:49 matey; and even with the things i to with/to python that are horrors by pythonista (a pythonista is a barista that tells everyone else how theyre supposed to code because theyre experts in computing fashion) standards
14:50 matey; pep is an elite fashion school for paradigm cargo cults that implement haskell in the worst possible way (nearly as bad as what i do with python)
14:50 matey; even with all that, perl is still looser
14:50 matey; by design
14:50 matey; at least with python you CAN make it strict-looking
14:50 matey; with perl, you leave it all up to god
14:51 psydroid2; such a mess, such a shame
14:51 matey; "we draw a big circle, we throw all our data way up in the air, and whatever god wants, he keeps!"
14:51 matey; python 3 wont even stay still
14:52 matey; its a new language from year to year
14:52 matey; they have no idea how fucking stupid that is
14:52 matey; stability IS A FEATURE
14:52 matey; and a side effect of design
14:52 matey; if you design it really well, why would you fuck it up?
14:52 matey; because fashion
14:53 matey; because "oh look, this other language is SERIOUS BUSINESS and it does this thing-- lets make python do that"
14:53 matey; and since its better LETS TELL EVERYBODY THEY HAVE TO DO THAT
14:53 matey; the language makes it optional
14:53 matey; but the users are much pushier than the language
14:54 matey; and since free software is built primarily on teams of volunteers telling you how stuff works
14:54 matey; theyre going to tell every noob not to commit crimes of fashion
14:55 matey; because if its better in a real language
14:55 matey; its also better when the same feature is poorly implemented in kichensinkthon
14:55 matey; and so what if it takes 5 times longer to write the same line of code?
14:55 matey; and you have to know literally 5 times as many details
14:56 matey; that doesnt mean python is no longer good for protot-- YES ACTUALLY, IT DOES mean that
14:56 matey; at least relatively speaking. but its a tradeoff
14:56 matey; do you want it to be easy, or LOOK good?
14:56 matey; of course you want it to LOOK good. everyone is looking.
14:56 matey; (this is a huge trope in open source, but python was always "open source")
14:56 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165064
14:56 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:57 psydroid2; guido guided it right into the abyss
14:57 matey; UNFORTUNATELY python is built on top of a REALLY cool language
14:57 TR News; Games: Canonical, Valve and Wine, Deck UI Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165065
14:57 TR Bot; Games: Canonical, Valve and Wine, Deck UI | Tux Machines
14:57 matey; he had a better idea when it was a quick holiday project
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14:57 matey; linux and gnu and python all started as quick projects, very casual
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14:58 matey; they only went to hell (thers a bit of a fallacy here, doesnt mean the conclusion is false) when they became life-or-death serious
14:58 matey; projects that take themselves too seriously have to do some really stupid things to look good
14:59 matey; its great if you want to be more of a cult than you started out as
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 21.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 307.86
14:59 matey; there really should be a gnuseum
14:59 matey; a museum for gnu
14:59 TR News; Links 20/05/2022: Fedora BIOS Boot SIG | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/fedora-bios-boot-sig/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/20/fedora-bios-boot-sig/
14:59 TR Bot; Links 20/05/2022: Fedora BIOS Boot SIG | Techrights
15:00 matey; i would say gnu+unix but im not trying to start a war INSIDE a museum
15:00 schestowitz_TR2; gnu is used more than ever before
15:00 matey; and people would be throwing things at each other-- rocks, molotov cocktails
15:00 matey; gnu is used more than ever before <- funny how marketshare arguments are "bullshit" when windows used them, and we knew it then
15:01 matey; but now that gnu has traded integrity for marketshare, suddenly its relevant.
15:01 psydroid2; gnu is at the peak of its "relevance"
15:02 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165066
15:02 psydroid2; just like steam is at the peak of its "relevance"
15:02 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
15:02 psydroid2; we won, but actually we lost
15:04 matey; Monopolies care about marketshare, because if you dont have it youre not a monopoly. When you have freedom, people often go their own way that reduces the likelihood that everybody does (or uses) the same thing. http://techrights.org/2020/07/26/defective-by-design-dbl/
15:04 TR Bot; Defective By Design is Defective By License | Techrights
15:04 matey; i couldnt find any articles where roy talked about the marketshare fallacy
15:04 matey; theres probably somethign in the halloween documents
15:05 matey; its also common sense if you realised that being used less than windows never made an alternative inferior
15:05 matey; gnu is being used, alright
15:05 matey; stallman is being used more than ever before too
15:06 matey; hes become a used, though hes spent most of his life fighting so other people dont have to be useds
15:06 matey; gcc is still more forkable than llvm
15:06 matey; but calling it free software as long as ibm controls it is...
15:06 matey; i mean youre free to do that
15:07 matey; gcc is potentially free software
15:08 matey; i certainly dont think llvm is more free
15:09 matey; <psydroid2> we won, but actually we lost <- it took less to bring down troy
15:09 matey; there was only one trojan horse originally
15:10 matey; open source had the trojan royal canadian mounted police
15:10 matey; an entire regiment of trojan horses
15:10 TR News; The Lies and Delusions of Antnio Campinos | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/debunking-monopoly-tony/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/20/debunking-monopoly-tony/
15:10 TR Bot; The Lies and Delusions of Antnio Campinos | Techrights
15:10 matey; from lieplanet to github to lynch mobs to the tech press
15:11 matey; to the shill equivalent of dumbledores army, international in scale
15:11 matey; and it took 20 years to line up all those ducks and have them nibble the free software movement to within an inch of its life
15:11 matey; fugly ducklings
15:11 psydroid2; but all that matters is that we won, right?
15:11 matey; if by "won" you mean "conquored"
15:11 matey; yes, we won!
15:12 matey; native americans living on reservations, when once they roamed everywhere freely: "WE WON!"
15:12 psydroid2; we won the prize for being taken for the biggest fools in the (free) software community
15:12 matey; we were slaughtered by invaders-- LIKE A BOSS!
15:12 matey; <psydroid2> we won the prize for being taken for the biggest fools in the (free) software community <- pwnies for everyone
15:13 matey; they should give free software a pwnie for managing to make a world class defeat look like progress
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15:14 matey; it was an ideological takeover of iconoclasts by fake arseholes in suits-- but HEY!
15:14 matey; ON THE PLUS SIDE, more people use gnu!
15:14 matey; /me two thumbs up
15:15 matey; and i think, fewer people develop it (but thats a guess)
15:15 matey; so this is very sustainable
15:15 matey; at a guess, it means
15:15 matey; i mean, ibm maintains gcc
15:15 matey; and gdb
15:15 matey; github maintains an increasing amount of gnu while roy says people are leaving
15:15 matey; gnu hasnt left github as far as i know
15:15 matey; perl hasnt (needed for gnu)
15:16 matey; python hasnt (needed for gnu)
15:16 matey; bison hasnt
15:16 matey; fridibi hasnt (gnu disputes it being part of gnu, but thats a silly thing to say when its on gnu.org/software, duh)
15:16 matey; part of gcc is developed on github
15:17 matey; the list does go on, but the point is the same no matter how many things we mention
15:17 matey; so while more people use gnu
15:17 matey; it is increasinly controlled by corporations
15:17 matey; how will that end? two guesses
15:17 matey; one naive, one correct
15:17 matey; be my guest (article)
15:18 matey; a gnu controlled by corporations is not a gnu at all
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15:18 matey; "id like to complain about this gnu which i bought not half an hour ago from this very boutique"
15:18 matey; "whats wrong with it?"
15:19 matey; "ill tell you whats wrong with it mate, its stone dead"
15:19 psydroid2; you can't develop software that is too complex for its own good
15:19 matey; too bad they never cared about the philosophy that would have made gnu sustainable
15:19 matey; because without being sustainable, it takes (dum dum dum) more corporate support to keep it going
15:19 matey; or, they just entrusted red hat for funsies and to see what would happen
15:20 matey; i mean dont get me wrong
15:20 matey; red hat did contribute a fuckload to gcc
15:20 matey; but whats the use of charity from someone whos just going to stab you later?
15:20 psydroid2; if I was GNU/Dead RAT/Linus, I would have nightmares about getting replaced
15:21 matey; we would be better off with a project they DONT control, minus their contributions
15:21 matey; but thats what freedom is like.
15:21 psydroid2; I think Linus mentioned something like that some years ago
15:21 matey; it doesnt give up freedom for... optimisation
15:21 matey; <psydroid2> I think Linus mentioned something like that some years ago <- in what context, do you know?
15:22 activelow; GPL does not sufficiently protect software freedom, with or without copyleft enforced
15:22 TR News; In Turkey, Windows Market Share is Done to Almost Nothing, Linux is About Two Thirds of the Connected Devices | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/windows-in-turkey/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/20/windows-in-turkey/
15:22 TR Bot; In Turkey, Windows Market Share is Done to Almost Nothing, Linux is About Two Thirds of the Connected Devices | Techrights
15:23 activelow; it is missing standards, and sabotaged standards implemented
15:23 psydroid2; matey, it's hard to find now, but he mentioned that it something that occupied his mind
15:23 activelow; because without restrictions, guarded by standards, corporations can fist any "improvement" into "free software" as they desire
15:23 psydroid2; you just can't find some things you read on the web anymore
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15:24 psydroid2; it is*
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15:30 IPFS; Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-19.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-20.gmi
15:31 TR News; Turkeys Migration to Pardus Linux and LibreOffice Explained 2 Months Ago in LibrePlanet | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/huseyin-guc-pardus-linux/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/20/huseyin-guc-pardus-linux/
15:31 TR Bot; Turkeys Migration to Pardus Linux and LibreOffice Explained 2 Months Ago in LibrePlanet | Techrights
15:32 schestowitz_TR2; psydroid2: 2015
15:32 schestowitz_TR2; to present
15:33 TR News; LTS Laptops gemini://gemini.dimakrasner.com/lts-laptops.gmi
15:34 TR News; "Great article about how messed up it is that the ADL is conflating white supremacy with hafrada-critical groups like CAIR and JVP and how stark that messed-upness appears in the face of white supremacist terrorism. (And that there are conservative Jews that are themselves repeating anti-CRT, replacement theory talking points.)" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/mantle-of-responsibility
15:34 TR News; "I opposed and ended a trivial patent once (I found prior art) but the lesson I learned from that is that its important to oppose even non-trivial patents. If I identify and stop only the stupid patents, Im only doing the work of the patent office for them." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/trivial-patents
15:39 psydroid2; schestowitz_TR2, unlike much of Europe they seem to be serious about migrating off Vista
15:40 psydroid2; the audio isn't that great
15:44 matey; torvalds in 2020: "I find projects like WSL and Linux on Azure to be very good signs. Not only because I think it's a lot healthier than the relationship we _used_ to have with Microsoft 10+ years ago, but simply because I think having Linux in many different areas ends up making it a better kernel too."
15:44 matey; its important to have a "healthy relationship" with microsoft
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15:44 psydroid2; a predator-prey relationship
15:45 psydroid2; that's so healthy
15:45 matey; "they seem to be serious about migrating off Vista"-- when they migrate from vista they can use something that has a "healthy relationship" with microsoft
15:45 activelow; matey: did lt really say this? can't believe it.
15:45 matey; why use microsoft-- when you can "move" to something that is friendly with it, which microsoft has steadily taken over for years?
15:45 matey; its almost like-- NOT MOVING
15:45 matey; we are migrating from microsoft-- to microsoft!
15:46 matey; well, thats... progress?
15:46 matey; i mean its still better than vista
15:46 matey; but the point is-- theyre working on it
15:47 matey; debian was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY bettern in 2014
15:47 matey; and 2013
15:47 psydroid2; they're working on making it into a worthy vista successor
15:47 matey; libreoffice was better in 2013-- it has top of the are SCROLLBAR technology
15:47 psydroid2; vistalinux 12 is just around the corner
15:47 matey; scrollbars are seriously great!
15:47 matey; linux was less taken over by microsoft in 2013
15:47 matey; the kernel (of course)
15:48 matey; anyone who thinks linux is an operating system is smoking crack (matt lee)
15:48 matey; "its called a rover metro now" "THEYVE REBADGED IT, YOU FOOL!"
15:49 matey; "lynne, im not driving a mini metro"
15:49 TR News; "Alex has found the perfect tool to bring your recipe management into the future. Plus, a convenient trick for scripts with passwords, dying hard drives, and the killer new Proxmox feature." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148657/recipe-for-success-self-hosted-71/
15:49 TR Bot; Recipe for Success | Self-Hosted 71 | Jupiter Broadcasting
15:50 matey; stallman, or as his name is commonly mispronounced, linus torvalds
15:52 activelow; most software was and still is conceptually flawed, since 1980s
15:52 TR News; Brian has been used like a second "mascot" by the LF, which does not actually USE "Open Source" https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/linux-foundation-podcast-series-untold-stories-of-open-source/
15:52 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Podcast Series: "The Untold Stories of Open Source" - Linux Foundation
15:53 activelow; for example, X11, was a DEC project (DEC now being defunct), and 30years later, their anti-competitive crap is causing headache
15:53 TR News; Monopolies and American corporations (and their lawyers) are a priority for todays EPO, Europes second-largest institution http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/debunking-monopoly-tony/
15:53 TR Bot; The Lies and Delusions of Antnio Campinos | Techrights
15:53 activelow; DEC, provided both, the basis for WindowsNT (with OpenVMS), and X11, and this type of corporate software became dominant
15:54 matey; i want to hear about how defending stallman is "hero-worship" from a bunch of people who knelt at the feet of someone who basically plagiarised his lifes work
15:54 matey; i mean thats what linux is
15:54 TR News; Watch this graph of Windows going down from around 99.5% to just 11.55% this month http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/windows-in-turkey/
15:54 TR Bot; In Turkey, Windows Market Share is Down to Almost Nothing, Linux is About Two Thirds of the Connected Devices | Techrights
15:54 TR News; This talk by Hseyin G was uploaded under the title Real world GNU/Linux story from Istanbul http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/huseyin-guc-pardus-linux/
15:54 TR Bot; Turkeys Migration to Pardus Linux and LibreOffice Explained 2 Months Ago in LibrePlanet | Techrights
15:55 matey; that and a fuckload of marketing
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15:55 matey; and lobbying
15:55 matey; and lying
15:55 activelow; nowadays, with "micro"-soft label smeared onto whatever the bureaucratic apparatus in USA desired
15:56 TR News; IBM posted this while sacking lots of workers (and Red Hat faces a mass exodus of its talent) https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/5/most-wanted-soft-skills-it-pros
15:56 TR Bot; Most-wanted soft skills for IT pros: CIOs share their recruiting tips | The Enterprisers Project
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15:56 TR News; This is the ICBM which FORCED even workers who are working from home "100% of the time" to get a jab https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/5/remote-work-5-tips-keep-your-teams-healthy-successful
15:56 TR Bot; Remote work: 5 tips to keep your teams healthy and successful | The Enterprisers Project
15:57 TR News; Former ICBM executive Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The 2022 Work Trend Index: How to Get Hybrid Right https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/05/making-hybrid-work-work.html Source: irvingwb
15:57 TR Bot; Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The 2022 Work Trend Index: How to Get Hybrid Right
15:58 TR News; Indonesian LibreOffice community: recent activities https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/05/20/indonesian-libreoffice-community-recent-activities/
15:58 TR Bot; Indonesian LibreOffice community: recent activities - The Document Foundation Blog
15:58 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165067
15:58 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
16:00 activelow; btw. with yaft i got back full unicode-font support on linux framebuffer console... without any of the x11/gnome/systemd clutter
16:00 activelow; yaft is 300KiB including terminus font set
16:02 activelow; which is noteworthy too, tech news regularly announce the typical corporate maga-mega-soft QT/GTK/systemd, ...
16:02 activelow; meanwhile, the real goodies are hiding in a tiny niche, rarely ever mentioned by anyone
16:03 activelow; dvtm, yaft ... it's "free software", MIT and ISC licensed
16:04 MinceR; when DEC has a hand in X11, that makes X11 evil
16:04 TR News; How to raise funding for your robotics venture | Chapter 2 - Akara | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/how-to-raise-funding-for-your-robotics-venture-chapter-2-akara Source: ubuntu
16:04 TR Bot; to raise funding for your robotics venture | Chapter 2 Akara | Ubuntu
16:04 MinceR; but when DEC has a hand in sixel, that's not a problem?
16:04 TR News; MrDoc is a web-based document management system DMS https://medevel.com/mrdoc/
16:05 psydroid2; DEC has had a dixel in the sixel all along
16:05 TR Bot; MrDoc is a web-based document management system DMS
16:05 activelow; good question... better ask why sixel support is mostly absent, which too is the answer to the question if it was good if corporate interests touch software
16:05 TR News; 5g...5g. HYPE HYPE... https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/20/5g-redcap-limits-bandwidth-to-85mbps-industrial-iot/ see http://techrights.org/2021/12/27/fact-based-5g-criticism/
16:05 TR Bot; 5G RedCap leverages 5G features, limits bandwidth to 85Mbps for industrial IoT applications - CNX Software
16:05 TR Bot; What Real (Fact-Based) 5G and Privacy Issues the Media Casually Distracts From | Techrights
16:06 activelow; MinceR: DEC and related bureaucratic mega-maga-soft monstrosities seeked to commercialize their "graphical workstations"
16:06 activelow; hence X11, OpenVMS, win 3.1
16:07 MinceR; what does winblows 3.1 have to do with graphical workstations?
16:07 TR News; Former IBM executive Irving Wladawsky-Berger is boosting a bunch of self-serving PR from Microsoft. To me, ICBM is not AGAINST Microsoft but WITH Microsoft. Same in Canonical. It is grotesque. Trump and Biden bail out Microsoft, the stolen money is then passed to corrupt other companies.
16:07 activelow; MinceR: it followed the trend of "GUI" desktop... which wasn't "micro"-soft anymore
16:08 activelow; MinceR: see for yourself the source-code of XTerm (which got sixels too), the quality left behind by DEC and the unix wars at that time
16:08 activelow; it's a headache, 30 years later still
16:08 activelow; #ifdef aix #elif ultrix #elif this and that....
16:08 MinceR; was there a graphical workstation that ran VMS, even?
16:09 MinceR; xterm probably predates autoconfuse
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16:10 activelow; historically, both *nix and cp/m type systems operated upon teletype-terminal interfaces
16:10 matey; i still find some of what activelow is doing is inspiring
16:11 MinceR; same
16:11 matey; i mean it starts out great
16:11 matey; and people should you know... consider some of it
16:11 matey; a lot of what ive worked on over the past half year, was pushed along by what hes trying to do
16:11 matey; credit where credit is due
16:12 matey; and then you get to some of the details...
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16:12 matey; where some of the decisions are made
16:12 matey; and its like
16:12 activelow; later, both *nix with X11 and DOS/CP/M followed the "graphical workstation" idea... which is conceptually flawed, fundementally
16:12 matey; like its being made up on the spot, then chiseled into stone tablets
16:12 matey; oh this part is batshit-- FUCK IT, WELL DO IT LIVE!
16:13 matey; play us out, keyboard cat
16:13 TR News; LilyGO T-HC32 board with the worlds smallest Arm MCU (HC32L110B6) is now available for $9 - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/20/lilygo-t-hc32-board-worlds-smallest-mcu-hc32l110b6/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
16:13 TR Bot; LilyGO T-HC32 board with the world's smallest Arm MCU (HC32L110B6) is now available for $9 - CNX Software
16:13 activelow; i will fully wipe X11/gtk/gnome/glib, instead dvtm+yaft+sixels+unicode implements what i really needed
16:14 TR News; "Linux Plumbers Conference 2022 is pleased to host the linux/arch Microconference... The linux/arch microconference aims to bring architecture maintainers in one room to discuss how the code in arch/ can be improved, consolidated and generalized." https://lpc.events/blog/2022/index.php/2022/05/20/microconferences-at-linux-plumbers-conference-linux-arch/
16:14 TR Bot; Microconferences at Linux Plumbers Conference: linux/arch Linux Plumbers Conference 2022
16:15 MinceR; i don't see the conceptual flaw
16:15 MinceR; even c++ isn't inherent to graphical workstations
16:16 activelow; teletype-terminals operated character-based, with 7bit ASCII
16:16 TR News; Customize GNOME 42 with A Polished Look Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165068
16:16 TR Bot; Customize GNOME 42 with A Polished Look | Tux Machines
16:16 MinceR; so?
16:17 activelow; it is difficult to have both cleanly integrated, such as sixel output (pixel-buffer based) and character-based operation
16:18 activelow; and one of the many conceptual flaws is, with "graphical workstations" the teletype-terminal interface integration isn't good
16:18 psydroid2; C++ is the programming language of the devil
16:18 activelow; that's why, X11-forwarding, rdesktop, vnc and all this bloatware... to provide again what remote-shell/ssh already offered
16:18 psydroid2; it must be exorcised
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16:18 matey; it doesnt bother me that hes trying to make a c-only language
16:18 matey; i can understand his frustration about that
16:19 matey; c-only os, sorry
16:19 matey; some of it i see as a very determined response to an understandably frustrating situation
16:19 matey; and im all for that
16:19 matey; thats what devuan was about before it became total bullshit
16:20 matey; (assuming it was ever more than bullshit)
16:20 matey; mincer still uses it sometimes, so it cant be COMPLETE shit
16:20 matey; though i found it to be an incredible disappointment, after waiting a few years to see how it turned out
16:21 matey; and by waiting a few years, i mean installing the pre alpha on my main development machine and then using (even creating) deriatives for literally years
16:22 matey; and the pre-alpha version of devuan, made by jaromil, was better than any version that came later
16:22 activelow; c-only with critical base-system components; and besides the issues with c++ itself and it's compilers, c++ components _always_ depend a mountain of bullshit
16:23 matey; im still not sure exactly what took them so fucking long to get to whatever the fuck theyre trying to do
16:23 activelow; it is only coincidence, a c-only profile removes most of this....
16:23 activelow; X11/GTK remained still, even without c++ and some hacks inside the build-system (harbfuzz crap)
16:24 matey; i can understand it taking forever if they kept the lofty goals they started with
16:24 activelow; then i realized, X11/GTK/Glib themselves must be removed
16:24 matey; but ive never seen evidence of that
16:24 matey; and as i said, i waited for years for the evidence
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16:24 matey; what i did see was LOADS of bullshit
16:24 activelow; this was another surprise, many typical GNU/FSF components arrived on the bullshit hitlist for removal
16:24 matey; devuan is trump, debian is hillary
16:25 matey; something like that
16:25 matey; im glad to be rid of them
16:25 matey; i wont lie, for years i thought nothing would be better than what debian USED to be
16:25 activelow; remember this, dvtm 47KiB, yaft 300KiB (including fonts)... with this i can compete against the entire realm of what X11/GNOME does
16:26 matey; and youre still going to be hard-pressed to find anything quite as wonderful as debian in say, 2013 (when it peaked)
16:26 activelow; not only compete, dvtm is the best terminal multiplexer ("window manager") i had seen in 25 years
16:26 matey; wheezy was as good as gnu/linux will likely ever get
16:26 matey; solid, modern, reliable, fun
16:27 matey; devuan still isnt there
16:27 matey; but since mincer still uses it, ill let him defend it
16:27 matey; i wont agree, but i wont say hes crazy-- mincers been anti-systemd since 2011 if not earlier
16:28 matey; i never saw it coming
16:28 matey; it just showed up uninvited, and asked if there was anything to eat
16:28 matey; i was like" who the hell are you?"
16:28 matey; "im juggernaut, bitch!"
16:28 matey; uh oh
16:28 activelow; evdev/eudev/dbus ... all of this conceptually flawed, and removed... it was still possible to keep X11/Gtk, nonetheless, X11/GTK themselves are flawed
16:29 matey; that was 7 or 8 years ago
16:29 matey; seriously, what the fuck is devuan doing?
16:29 activelow; recently, evdev creeped into Xorg... i slayed this, Xorg still works
16:29 schestowitz_TR2; I used Wheezy
16:29 matey; no transparency, too much nepotism
16:30 matey; too much bullshit
16:30 schestowitz_TR2; I now have one debian 11 machine, one debian 11 machine
16:30 schestowitz_TR2; rianne does too (10 and 11)
16:30 schestowitz_TR2; works OK
16:30 schestowitz_TR2; *10 and 11
16:30 matey; "works for me" is the open source marching song
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16:30 schestowitz_TR2; my sister is pushed by colleagues to move from 10 to 11
16:30 matey; free software isnt about being helpless
16:30 matey; systemd either works or it doesnt
16:30 bnchs; my sister is pushed by colleagues to move from (windows) 10 to 11
16:30 schestowitz_TR2; wheezy was as "free" as these new versions
16:30 MinceR; 20 172720 < matey> but since mincer still uses it, ill let him defend it
16:31 bnchs; still would be accurate
16:31 schestowitz_TR2; systemd reduced choice
16:31 MinceR; outside my VPS, i only use devuan to provide a few packages for bedrock
16:31 schestowitz_TR2; wayland is not adopted
16:31 MinceR; like qemu
16:31 MinceR; since the newest qemu refuses to let me set a vnc password
16:31 schestowitz_TR2; noy in bookworm either, afaik
16:31 MinceR; 20 171827 < psydroid2> C++ is the programming language of the devil
16:31 MinceR; lol
16:32 schestowitz_TR2; c++ is relatively hgard
16:32 matey; i wouldnt tell people "dont use qemu" per se
16:33 matey; i couldnt have made a gnu/linux distro without it
16:33 MinceR; i use qemu, just not from the void package
16:33 matey; ive used it in the past year or two, i probably will again
16:33 schestowitz_TR2; matey: why vnc?
16:33 schestowitz_TR2; ssh -X is better
16:33 matey; (i remastered void using qemu, then ran it for some time on a real machine)
16:33 schestowitz_TR2; and more efficient
16:33 schestowitz_TR2; safer by a mile
16:34 MinceR; ssh -X is not really safe
16:34 matey; i dont know what youre talking about
16:34 matey; i was using qemu as an emulator
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16:34 MinceR; every client can send messages to every other client
16:34 matey; whats that got to do with vnc?
16:34 matey; https://sfconservancy.org/projects/current/ i find it troubling that qemu is on this list
16:34 TR Bot; Current Projects - Software Freedom Conservancy
16:34 MinceR; qemu can use vnc to provide access to the screen of the emulated/virtualized machine
16:34 matey; regardless of how i "technically" shouldnt be bothered by it, yet i am anyway
16:35 schestowitz_TR2; maybe they wanted cybord lawyer thingie
16:35 matey; ssh -x is also a fucking pain in the dick
16:35 schestowitz_TR2; _okaren0_ something
16:35 matey; caring slander
16:35 matey; she slanders because she cares
16:35 schestowitz_TR2; sshj -X is nice and tidy
16:35 schestowitz_TR2; integrates into your local workspace
16:36 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> matey: why vnc? <- did you mean someone else?
16:36 matey; i dont use vnc
16:36 activelow; well yeah, with sixel support and programs such as w3m -sixel, i can ssh onto any machine, and got graphics support
16:36 matey; nor will ssh -x do what i used qemu for
16:36 TR News; "2021s critical darling from Double Fine Productions, Psychonauts 2, is finally releasing on macOS and Linux in the very near future." https://www.nme.com/news/psychonauts-2-is-coming-to-macos-and-linux-next-week-3230415
16:36 TR Bot; 'Psychonauts 2' is coming to macOS and Linux next week
16:36 MinceR; also, if you virtualize a non-unix-like system, ssh -X may not necessarily be an option
16:37 activelow; too i got ffmpeg-sixels already, libsdl1-sixels... just in case....
16:37 matey; /me is pretty sure ssh -x will work between gnu/linux and openbsd, but why youd want to do that is another matter
16:37 matey; id be happy if they werent compatible due to restrictions of some kind
16:37 activelow; gnuplot, image converters from/into sixel...; unicode with yaft seems very good
16:37 TR News; "Fedora 36 is out and it is packed with fantastic new features. We get the flashy new gnome 42 with its new GTK 4 apps and stunningly gorgeous dark mode." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0g1qWeS_lj0
16:37 TR Bot; Fedora 36 Released! And it is SERIOUS Competition to Ubuntu! (2022) - Invidious
16:37 matey; but with the x11 protocol it should theoretically work at least
16:38 matey; restrictions <- i mean basic security
16:38 activelow; many other nice side-effects, since ssh suffices, wireguard/ipsec can be wiped from kernel and with it the entire bloated crypto-api of it
16:38 matey; openssh of course, is from openbsd anyway
16:39 activelow; too i will remove NFS support entirel... ssh should suffice
16:39 activelow; i do not use openssh
16:39 TR News; LOL! Sigstore... and more proprietary (Microsoft/NSA) crap https://www.techtarget.com/searchitoperations/news/252518401/Citi-donates-software-supply-chain-security-kit-to-OpenSSF
16:39 TR Bot; Citi gives software supply chain security kit to OpenSSF
16:39 activelow; i chose another implementation
16:39 MinceR; ssh -X won't work with a Backdoors guest, for example
16:39 MinceR; it also won't work with something that doesn't have sshd yet
16:39 matey; :)
16:40 activelow; ssh x11 forwarding is not teletype terminal operation... it only tunnels x11... that's a very important difference
16:40 matey; i ran sshd in windows
16:40 MinceR; i did too, once
16:40 matey; didnt try ssh -x with it though (because its a pain in the dick)
16:40 MinceR; it didn't work very well
16:40 matey; oh it worked ok for me (but i didnt try -x)
16:41 matey; my experience with x as a server is it never works very well
16:41 matey; i mean a remote server. its always a server per se
16:41 matey; maybe lan was too shitty at the time
16:41 matey; thats a possibility
16:41 activelow; xorg does work, however, it is conceptually flawed, and has a huge attack vector concerning secuirty
16:42 matey; i mostly used qemu for trying (many many) distros
16:42 matey; when i was making my own, id make a few changes and "boot" it with qemu
16:42 TR News; CentOS Community Newsletter... but it is NOT a community, it is besieged by ICBM's strikes, and it's a shadow of its former self (many resigners) https://blog.centos.org/2022/05/centos-community-newsletter-may-2022/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=centos-community-newsletter-may-2022
16:42 TR Bot; Community Newsletter, May 2022 Blog.CentOS.org
16:42 matey; when i was happy with the changes enough to justify the bother
16:42 matey; id install the new one on a real machine
16:43 MinceR; iirc vista stopped letting applications authenticate for user accounts, so ssh would no longer let me log in
16:43 matey; sometimes by simply dd-ing it to the hard drive, since i was focused on making live usable
16:43 TR News; ICBM does not want CentOS to succeed because it does not understand how the GPL works or simpler does not tolerate the GPL. Same as Microsoft
16:43 matey; the installer was good too-- at least it was
16:43 matey; it was made by the guy whos in charge of devuan live
16:44 matey; but that installer is getting to be really...
16:44 matey; id rather use the openbsd installer
16:44 matey; at this point
16:44 TR News; Every week xda publishes an article like this for different device/s, always promoting an ATTACK on GNU/Linux (Windows/Microsoft) as a first choice instead of REAL GNU/Linux https://www.xda-developers.com/does-hp-spectre-x36-2022-linux/
16:44 TR Bot; Does the HP Spectre x360 run Linux? Can you install it?
16:44 matey; im not actually talking about the devaun installer btw
16:44 matey; different one
16:44 MinceR; refracta?
16:45 matey; mmhmm
16:45 matey; i loved refracta-installer
16:45 MinceR; i don't think i used that
16:45 matey; but lately its gotten a bit much
16:45 matey; oh when i used it it was my favourite, honestly
16:45 matey; recently i had someone install refracta and
16:45 matey; well, we got it installed
16:46 matey; but a few years ago id say #1
16:46 matey; now, id rather not use it
16:46 matey; wouldnt even be surprised to find it on github-- havent checked though
16:47 psydroid2; xda-sellouts
16:48 TR News; Rust project has been in disarray with many resignations; this is a face-saving update https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/05/19/governance-update.html
16:48 TR Bot; Governance Update | Inside Rust Blog
16:48 matey; <psydroid2> xda-sellouts <- who?
16:48 psydroid2; <3
16:48 psydroid2; microsoft
16:48 bnchs; xda lol
16:48 bnchs; xda is only good because all the android hackers are there
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16:48 TR News; Eventually Rust will be managed by people who cannot even CODE, i.e. the usual. Empty vessel...
16:48 bnchs; excluding it's horrible UI
16:48 bnchs; and proprietary forums software (xenforo)
16:49 matey; are the theme for xenforo called xenforoskin?
16:50 MinceR; :>
16:50 matey; and do you need a rabbi to use xenforo without one?
16:50 bnchs; at least with xenforo you get to have your foreskin
16:50 matey; "i dont like using themes" "oh boyo, this is going to hurt you more than it hurts me"
16:51 TR News; Loaded title; it's not so fast-growing and there have been growing pains https://thenewstack.io/rust-whats-next-for-the-fast-growing-programming-language/ http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/
16:51 TR Bot; Rust: Whats Next for the Fast-Growing Programming Language? The New Stack
16:51 TR Bot; The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights
16:51 bnchs; uninstalling theme will be like circumision
16:51 bnchs; chop chop bitch
16:51 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/FFgoNPj.jpeg
16:51 bnchs; THIS IS THE STATE OF MICROSOFT STORE https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/the-irc-chat/9PFNSNFDND7G?hl=en-us&gl=US
16:51 TR Bot; Microsoft Apps
16:52 bnchs; FEAST YOUR EYES ON THIS HORRIBLE .NET IRC CLIENT
16:52 TR News; Rust "CEO: Rebecca Rumbul, formerly director of research and engagement at digital democracy charity mySociety, and before that the Privacy Collective." https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/19/rust_foundation_ceo/
16:52 TR Bot; Rebecca Rumbul named new CEO of The Rust Foundation The Register
16:52 MinceR; lol
16:52 matey; https://youtu.be/watch?v=MXsYnJ636Gg
16:52 TR Bot; https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=MXsYnJ636Gg
16:52 TR Bot; reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=MXsYnJ636Gg )
16:53 bnchs; microsoft store is full of low quality software holy shit
16:53 bnchs; and sold at absolutely expensive prices
16:53 TR News; Wouter Verhelst: Faster tar https://grep.be/blog//en/computer/play/Faster_tar/
16:53 TR Bot; Faster tar
16:53 TR News; Videos/Shows: Fedora 36, The Untold Stories of Open Source, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165069
16:54 TR Bot; Videos/Shows: Fedora 36, The Untold Stories of Open Source, and More | Tux Machines
16:54 matey; <bnchs> microsoft store is full of low quality software holy shit <bnchs> and sold at absolutely expensive prices <- well at least theyre predictable and consistent
16:54 matey; especially after windows 8, im sure its a relief
16:55 bnchs; they tried to turn windows into a mobile OS
16:55 bnchs; OS designed like a mobile phone
16:55 bnchs; and exactly got what they deserved
16:55 TR News; Stefano Maffulli speaks of "open source movement", but it's NOT a movement, it's a corporate plot/ploy to crush the REAL movement, called Free software https://blog.opensource.org/exploring-the-future-of-open-source/
16:55 TR Bot; Exploring the future of Open Source Voices of Open Source
16:55 MinceR; designed for mobile phones and tablets that have a mouse connected
16:55 MinceR; considering that a major part of the UI design was the user's ability to throw the pointer into a given corner of the screen
16:55 bnchs; low quality apps that probably have malware in them, or just free software sold at a price
16:55 bnchs; centralized in a fucking store they say "secure"
16:57 TR News; Stefano Maffulli knows his true masters; they're not Free software hackers who laid all the foundations, they're proprietary software companies looking to exploit and plunder those hackers while rewriting history.
16:57 matey; <MinceR> considering that a major part of the UI design was the user's ability to throw the pointer into a given corner of the screen <- more often windows made me want to throw the mouse AT the screen
16:57 MinceR; :>
16:58 bnchs; more often windows made me want to throw punches at the screen
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 13.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 320.00
16:59 TR News; Carlo Piana is a very good addition to OSI. But they have too many Microsofters in there, still. Most of the OSI's budget goes to Microsoft. It's a compromised organisation. https://blog.opensource.org/welcome-new-directors/
16:59 TR Bot; Welcome new directors Voices of Open Source
17:00 psydroid2; bnchs, but can you compile the horrible .NET IRC client for Windows on ARM?
17:00 TR News; openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/20 https://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2022/05/opensuse-tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2022-20/
17:00 TR Bot; openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/20 Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*)
17:01 TR News; Using red herrings to replace standards with a pile of censorshipware controlled by Microsoft https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/openssf-linux-foundation-want-to-replace-c-c/2022/05/
17:01 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Want to Replace C, C++ - SDxCentral
17:02 TR News; ...of course there's a missing disclosure there as many sites that push and enhance LF talking points (read: monopolies) in fact receive funding/bribes to do this
17:03 bnchs; psydroid2, no
17:03 bnchs; because it's proprietary
17:03 matey; they dont mean any ARM
17:03 psydroid2; oh, that settles it then
17:03 psydroid2; only special kinds of ARMs
17:03 psydroid2; like Snapdragons
17:04 TR News; Corrupt media: pay us to write about you, lie for you... https://corporate.sdxcentral.com/products/content/
17:04 TR Bot; Content - SDxCentral Corporate
17:04 psydroid2; no Unicorns and Lions allowed
17:04 TR News; WWW = spam disguised as 'articles' https://corporate.sdxcentral.com/products/advertising/
17:04 TR Bot; Advertising - SDxCentral Corporate
17:05 TR News; This is where LF money goes: NOT Linux but bribing the media. They're hardly even hiding it. https://corporate.sdxcentral.com/products/demand-generation/
17:05 TR Bot; Demand Generation - SDxCentral Corporate
17:05 TR News; "Linux" has become just a meaningless label like "dolphin safe" http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/
17:05 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights
17:05 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=veI8BMDewmU
17:05 TR Bot; Penguin shits on other Penguin - Invidious
17:06 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DIw85xM7lLs
17:06 TR Bot; You Can See Penguin Poop From Space - Invidious
17:06 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=C33pmG_fkYo
17:06 TR Bot; Penguin Accidentally Poops On Friend - Invidious
17:06 matey; "this means something... this is important"
17:06 bnchs; matey: why are you searching for penguin shit
17:06 bnchs; absolutely horrifying
17:07 matey; yes, and its only going to get worse
17:07 matey; with the kernel i mean, not the videos
17:07 matey; but the "poops on his friend" one i thought was especially appropos
17:07 TR News; EteSync is an encrypted E2E sync and backup tools for your data https://medevel.com/etesync/ "The Etebase server is released under the AGPL-3.0 License."
17:07 TR Bot; EteSync is an encrypted E2E sync and backup tools for your data
17:08 matey; i havent even watched those yet, but i will, as im morbidly curious now
17:08 TR News; "updating Fedora on my partners laptop. This particular laptop was lacking a Wifi driver but that is now solved in Fedora 36. I can provide yet another datapoint that the GNOME 42 screenshot experience creates joy and happiness." https://samthursfield.wordpress.com/2022/05/20/status-update-19-05-2022/
17:08 TR Bot; Status update, 19/05/2022 Sam Thursfield
17:08 matey; i watched the rabbi one (just now, also in the theatre nearly 30 years ago)
17:10 TR News; "Its insane to me how many jobs in america are either completely pointless or actively harmful." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
17:10 bnchs; it's only gonna get worse
17:10 bnchs; next time you'll be searching for....
17:10 bnchs; uhh whats more worse than penguin shit
17:11 TR News; "Hacker" "Noise" = corporate beehive. "Instead of simply commenting on Hacker News like I did in previous similar posts, I thought Id write a little blog post I could link there and in future discussions." https://andregarzia.com/2022/01/gemini-is-a-little-gem.html
17:11 TR Bot; Is A Little Gem AndreGarzia.com
17:12 TR News; Rust does not solve security problems http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/
17:12 matey; bryan lunduke?
17:12 TR Bot; The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights
17:12 matey; you had to ask
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17:13 TR News; "hacker" "news" values actual hackers like "Truth Social" values truth...
17:14 matey; /me will take linux audio and penguin shit over that smirk any day
17:14 matey; the "linux sucks" thing never bothered me
17:14 matey; i mean it was fair play
17:14 matey; everything else though...
17:15 matey; if he keeps making that face it could get stuck that way
17:16 TR News; Twitter the company down 52 dollars to 37, but judging by what Microsoft and Icahn did to Yahoo! (or Elop at Nokia) I expect it to be at 20 dollars soon. Twitter as a company is worthless; it's mostly making losses in the process of advancing ruinous agenda for frauds and narcissists like Musk.
17:17 TR News; Facebook is down from almost $400 to under $200. Oh, sorry, META! They rename themselves to pretend to be something they're not.
17:18 TR News; "The Hacker News" now amplifies Microsoft FUD against "Linux". See? Microsoft HATES Linux. But Zemlin LOVES Microsoft. http://techrights.org/2021/12/19/slovenia-and-epo-leadership/
17:18 TR Bot; Slovenia Needs More Courageous Leadership (Like Vesna Stankovi Jurii), Not Puppets of the Patent and Copyright Cartels | Techrights
17:18 TR News; Reproducible Builds (diffoscope): diffoscope 213 released https://diffoscope.org/news/diffoscope-213-released/
17:18 TR Bot; diffoscope 213 released
17:19 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show how to install Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Mt0YEJ3R_Ak
17:19 TR Bot; How to install Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9 - Invidious
17:23 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165070
17:23 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
17:23 TR News; Security: Patches, Snake Oil, and Reproducible Builds/Diffoscope Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165071
17:23 TR Bot; Security: Patches, Snake Oil, and Reproducible Builds/Diffoscope | Tux Machines
17:24 TR News; Fedora / CentOS / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165072
17:24 TR Bot; Fedora / CentOS / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines
17:25 TR News; Mozilla is promoting Google proprietary software (and spyware) in the Firefox blog; Google is funded this https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/xyla-foxlin-youtube-engineering/
17:25 TR Bot; Firefox Presents: A YouTube creator blending femininity and engineering
17:26 TR News; Yesterday I posted a hasty roundup of whats been going on with zink. It was not comprehensive. What else have I been working on, you might ask." https://www.supergoodcode.com/depth/
17:26 TR Bot; Depth Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.
17:27 TR News; "Students should not have to use proprietary software to participate in the educational process. The FSFE joins the Dutch coalition Fair Digital Education supporting privacy-respecting solutions involving Free Software in schools." https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220520-01.en.html
17:27 TR Bot; FSFE signs Dutch manifesto calling for education improvements - FSFE
17:28 TR News; Microsoft is NOT "concern-trolling" Linux. It is ATTACKING Linux. If you're not seeing it, maybe Microsoft-funded 'media' has brainwashed you. SO CONGRATS.
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17:37 TR News; Where Mozilla (Google) money is wasted: spamming ads and endorsements for Google's YouTube instead of Firefox https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/xyla-foxlin-youtube-engineering/
17:37 TR News; Top 15 Best Download Managers for Linux in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165073
17:37 TR Bot; Top 15 Best Download Managers for Linux in 2022 | Tux Machines
17:37 TR News; LibreOffice and Free/Libre Software in Education Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165074
17:37 TR Bot; LibreOffice and Free/Libre Software in Education | Tux Machines
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17:43 XRevan86; matey: https://youtu.be/jG2KMkQLZmI
17:43 TR Bot; https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=jG2KMkQLZmI
17:44 TR Bot; tube.cthd.icu | Your Music's Bad and You Should Feel Bad! - Invidious
17:44 XRevan86; That's my response.
17:46 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/20/7347451/
17:46 TR Bot; The aggressor has spent a rocket to destroy a toilet on the beach in Odesa region - City Council | Ukrayinska Pravda
17:46 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/20/7347467/
17:46 TR Bot; Kharkiv region: Russians bomb a cultural centre in Lozova: 7 wounded, including a child | Ukrayinska Pravda
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18:16 matey; <XRevan86> matey:
18:16 matey; lol
18:16 matey; i feel bad!
18:17 matey; i feel delicate... and oogly!
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18:18 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3EUgbL_x5GM
18:18 TR Bot; Aunt Irma The IT Crowd - Series 1 - Episode 6: Hormonal - Invidious
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18:19 matey; "i didnt know smarties even made cereal"
18:19 matey; "they dont, its just smarties in the bowl, with milk"
18:20 matey; you cant get (chocolate) smarties in the states (usually) because theres a mediocre tart candy with the same name
18:20 matey; but that doesnt explain why dove (galaxy) doesnt make minstrels (if theyre not called galaxy its not like the name is the issue)
18:21 matey; minstrels are better than smarties
18:21 matey; galaxy is awesome and cadbury has (cheap genentically modified) plums in its mouth
18:22 matey; thats when the genes become gentrified from inbreeding in rich families-- genentic modification
18:22 matey; gentrific mos (stateside gm*ms)
18:23 matey; i know i shouldnt have bought this keyboard from someone in the street
18:23 matey; "i-ogitech?"
18:23 XRevan86; matey: I expect those Smarties to make quite a mess in the milk bowl.
18:23 matey; "yeah, top of the line"
18:23 matey; theyre covered in chocolate
18:23 XRevan86; They're like M&M's, right?
18:23 matey; the problem is, they taste more like theyre coated with vinyl flooring
18:24 matey; large-size m&ms
18:24 matey; funnily enough, m&ms are made by m&m mars and mars bars are huge in the uk
18:24 MinceR; i thought they were coated in sugar
18:24 matey; the closest thing you can get in the states is 3 musketeers (not the same! not at all)
18:24 MinceR; like m&ms
18:24 matey; sugar, candy
18:24 matey; theres a fine line (its not a powder, so a very fine line)
18:24 MinceR; i thought mars bars were called "milky way" in the usa
18:24 MinceR; (not the same as european milky way)
18:25 XRevan86; matey: There are several sizes of Mars bars that are (for now?) sold in Russia.
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18:25 matey; mars bars have the same chocolate filling all the way through
18:25 matey; thats more like a 3 musketeers
18:25 matey; while a milky way (in the states) has that plus caramel inside
18:25 matey; which is lovely-- its just not the closest thing to a mars bar
18:25 XRevan86; > the US Milky Way bar, which is sold as the Mars bar worldwide, including Canada; and the global Milky Way bar, which is sold as the 3 Musketeers in the US and Canada. (In Canada neither bar is sold as the Milky Way.)
18:26 XRevan86; That's not confusing at all.
18:26 matey; its a bit confusing, because the milky way in the states has caramel
18:26 matey; and the mars bar (which you can get imported pretty easily, the real ones) doesnt
18:26 XRevan86; matey: Mars that I know has caramel.
18:26 matey; the one i had in the uk i swear didnt
18:27 matey; it looked pretty standard and this is news to me
18:27 matey; in fact the imported ones didnt either
18:27 matey; but ive never had one in russia, so its not like i think youre making it up
18:27 XRevan86; https://www.barista-ltd.ru/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/chocobar_Mars_50g.jpg
18:28 XRevan86; https://shokolad.today/wp-content/cache/thumb/c1bb5f305_660x300.jpg
18:28 XRevan86; That's the one.
18:29 matey; you win, its been too long since ive eaten one
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18:29 matey; (i swear mine didnt have that)
18:29 matey; either way, look how thick the chocolate shell is
18:29 matey; THATS a chocolate bar
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18:30 matey; if you want a chocolate shell that thick in the states youll have to wait for easter, get it imported, or make it yourself
18:30 XRevan86; https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0275/8934/5379/products/mars_bar_logo_1024x.jpg looks identical to me
18:30 matey; thats why mars bars are best
18:30 matey; yeah i guess they have caramel
18:30 matey; though again-- i swear mine didnt
18:30 matey; maybe i dreamt it
18:31 matey; this was more than a decade and a half ago
18:31 matey; either way, minstrels are still better then smarties
18:31 matey; i was very excited about trying both
18:31 matey; i still like minstrels
18:31 matey; also m&ms arent good anymore
18:31 matey; minstrels taste like chocolate
18:32 matey; m&ms taste like smarties that have gone off
18:32 matey; and smarties taste like minstrels that were left in a gym locker
18:32 matey; or they taste like nothing at all
18:32 matey; i like the idea of large m&ms though
18:33 matey; i think m&ms were invented by americans
18:33 matey; either way, two soldiers
18:33 matey; new jersey
18:33 XRevan86; > Forrest Mars, Sr., son of the Mars Company founder, Frank C. Mars, copied the idea for the candy in the 1930s during the Spanish Civil War when he saw soldiers eating British-made Smarties
18:34 matey; incidentally, new jersey is also the state listed on 3 musketeers
18:34 matey; oh, theyre counterfeit smarties!
18:34 matey; i love it
18:34 matey; copied the idea
18:34 matey; didnt know that part of the story
18:35 matey; hooray for wikipedia
18:41 matey; what i didnt know is that murrie was the son of the person running hersheys
18:41 matey; and mars was the son of the person running mars
18:41 matey; first murrie bought out mars for $1 million
18:41 matey; then mars bought out murrie again
18:42 matey; which should have created a chocolate peanut butter paradox
18:42 matey; fortunately the universe isnt made of those
18:42 matey; (its mostly bullshit)
18:43 matey; /me wonders if thats the episode where fry gets buff and learns how to play that holographic saxophone
18:44 matey; after eating a sandwich from a vending machine
18:45 TR News; Or just do not use AWS at all. It's an expensive trap. https://www.howtoforge.com/what-is-aws-guarduty-and-how-to-use-it/
18:45 TR Bot; What is AWS GuarDuty and how to use it
18:45 matey; the egg salad works faster than ex lax and tastes better
18:45 matey; plus im not sure if its bacteria or the preservatives which really have the effect
18:46 matey; but based on the reliability and the fact that it isnt longer lasting, im guessing its the preservatives
18:46 TR News; Firefox Nightly: These Weeks in Firefox: Issue 115 https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/05/20/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-115/ Many of us are still nostalgic about it, but Mozilla's leadership is not
18:46 TR Bot; These Weeks in Firefox: Issue 115 Firefox Nightly News
18:47 matey; i still cant play the saxophone
18:47 TR News; Seems like veiled marketing, not organic YouTube "material" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VXEL2Nn1sp4
18:47 TR Bot; DBcare - How TuxCare aims to Eliminate Database Server Reboots - Invidious
18:48 matey; maybe its the olive loaf that does that, but until i own a sax im not going to try to find out
18:48 matey; /me still doesnt know how they cut the olives to the exact width of the bologna, or who puts them in with such precision
18:49 matey; maybe laser cutters
18:49 matey; if you freeze the olives maybe they dont singe
18:49 TR News; Kapow 1.6.0 released https://gottcode.org/kapow/ Switched to Qt 6
18:49 TR Bot; Kapow
18:50 TR News; Outsourcing one's readership to a volatile third party seems like short-sighted and risky a move from a site almost 30 years old https://lwn.net/Articles/895898/
18:50 TR Bot; is now on Mastodon [LWN.net]
18:52 matey; industrial lunch and meat
18:52 TR News; Kubuntu General News: Plasma 5.25 Beta available for testing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165021#comment-33743
18:52 TR Bot; KDE Plasma 5.25 Beta Is Here with Floating Panels, New Customization Options, and More | Tux Machines
18:52 matey; famous hollywood caterers
18:52 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/20/7347501/
18:52 TR Bot; Russians clear rubble and remove bodies from Mariupol Drama Theatre - adviser to the mayor | Ukrayinska Pravda
18:52 matey; originally they did special effects, now they do special sauce
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19:07 TR News; LWN has outsourced to a site with these rather ludicrous rules, which bans even debating the moderators' actions! There's even worse in there! https://fosstodon.org/about/more
19:07 TR Bot; - Fosstodon
19:15 TR News; "There's a handful of popular package managers that are used on various Linux distributions, and dnf is among the most popular. It's the default package manager on distros such as Red Hat, CentOS, AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, Fedora, among others." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mL1hMBYP1bQ
19:15 TR Bot; Linux Essentials - The dnf Command - Invidious
19:18 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165075
19:18 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
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19:25 TR News; Mozilla: Firefox Nightly and Marketing Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165076
19:25 TR Bot; Mozilla: Firefox Nightly and Marketing Fluff | Tux Machines
19:25 TR News; Kernel Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165077
19:25 TR Bot; Kernel Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:26 MinceR; 20 192530 < matey> while a milky way (in the states) has that plus caramel inside
19:26 MinceR; mars bars over here have caramel and nougat filling
19:27 XRevan86; MinceR: It's reasonable to assume that if the UK and Russia have the same filling, Hungary won't be the odd one out/.
19:27 MinceR; who knows?
19:27 MinceR; neither the uk nor russia are eu members :>
19:29 XRevan86; Nor have a Finno-Ugric state language.
19:29 MinceR; :>
19:38 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165078
19:38 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:39 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165079
19:39 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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19:41 TR News; Links 20/05/2022: Plasmas Latest Beta in Kubuntu 22.04, Kapow 1.6.0 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/kapow-1-6-0-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/20/kapow-1-6-0-released/
19:41 TR Bot; Links 20/05/2022: Plasmas Latest Beta in Kubuntu 22.04, Kapow 1.6.0 Released | Techrights
19:42 TR News; In many of today's CoC happiness is not an option. It's mandatory. Dissent is seen as worse than the actual crimes that the dissent is against.
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20:05 psydruid; > LWN has outsourced to a site with these rather ludicrous rules, which bans even debating the moderators' actions! There's even worse in there! https://fosstodon.org/about/more
20:05 psydruid; Show me your CoC!
20:06 bnchs; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=d12aGhsjBlo
20:06 TR Bot; Please Stop Using Windows... - Invidious
20:06 bnchs; lol mutahar recommends GNU/Linux now
20:06 bnchs; that's like.... uhhh one relevant gulagtuber
20:08 psydruid; It's as if there's some rule that if they advise people to stop using Windows all hell will break loose and their internet daddy will disown them
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20:10 IPFS; Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-19.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-20.gmi
20:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 3.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 338.46
20:17 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I'm still submitting documents to Capital One.
20:18 DaemonFC; But there's an Illinois Legal Aid website that helps you compile a small claims lawsuit.
20:18 DaemonFC; I wonder if I should. It would probably pass a civil standard of guilt in the pro se court.
20:18 DaemonFC; But it would drain my time.
20:19 DaemonFC; He's probably just fail to appear since the courts are not open on weekends and his store hours in another city cover the entire time the court could schedule a hearing.
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20:38 MinceR; "Show him your junk! ...warrior."
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20:44 XRevan86; https://businessinsider.com/captured-documents-say-elite-russian-unit-lost-tanks-kharkiv-ukraine-2022-5
20:44 TR Bot; Captured Documents Say Elite Russian Unit Lost 130 Tanks in Kharkiv
20:49 TR News; "The last time I went to Disneyland Paris, I used my smartphone to record the G-forces during some rides. I used an app called Physics Toolbox Accelerometer to record the acceleration to CSV files. Then, I made a small Python script to filter the data and plot it." gemini://gemini.bobignou.red/posts/G-forces-at-Disneyland-Paris.gmi
20:49 TR News; NetHack over Gemini Proof-of-Concept gemini://gemini.dimakrasner.com/gemhack.gmi
20:50 TR News; Creating a NixOS thin gaming client live USB gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/nixos-thin-gaming-client.gmi
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.41 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 352.28
20:59 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22051252
20:59 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/on4lyl2qaoy81.jpg created on 2022-05-12 14:29:05.583570
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21:10 TR News; When it comes to Linux, Michael see only his sponsors (x86) in it https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.18-Nears-Release
21:10 TR Bot; 5.18 Preparing For Release - Especially Heavy With Many Intel & AMD Changes - Phoronix
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21:12 TR News; FreeBSD 13.1 is out for everything from PowerPC to x86-64 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164926#comment-33744
21:12 TR Bot; FreeBSD 13.1 Released | Tux Machines
21:13 TR News; Monkeypox Fears May Rescue Endangered Corporations https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/05/investigative-reports/monkeypox-fears-may-rescue-endangered-corporations/
21:13 TR Bot; MonkeypoxFearsMay RescueEndangeredCorporations
21:15 activelow; 1/13
21:15 TR News; How Democracies Spy on Their Citizens | The New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/04/25/how-democracies-spy-on-their-citizens Source: newyorker
21:15 TR Bot; How Democracies Spy on Their Citizens | The New Yorker
21:16 TR News; The rise of high-tech despotism - The Record by Recorded Future https://therecord.media/the-rise-of-high-tech-despotism/ Source: therecord
21:16 TR Bot; The rise of high-tech despotism - The Record by Recorded Future
21:16 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165080
21:16 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:16 activelow; "Please Stop Using Windows" -> no x11, no wayland, none of this then
21:17 activelow; OpenVMS was a DEC offspring just as X11 was
21:17 TR News; Satire: Google Maps Adds Shortcuts Through Houses Of People Google Knows Arent Home Right Now https://www.theonion.com/google-maps-adds-shortcuts-through-houses-of-people-goo-1848861825 Source: theonion
21:17 TR Bot; Google Maps Adds Shortcuts Through Houses Of People Google Knows Arent Home Right Now
21:17 activelow; OpenVMS -> WindowsNT -> Vista
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21:19 activelow; meanwhile, hacking some non-evdev mouse support into yaft ...
21:19 TR News; Cautioning people not to download random junk and then execute it; not a problem in the OS per se https://blog.sonatype.com/new-pymafka-malicious-package-drops-cobalt-strike-on-macos-windows-linux
↺ https://blog.sonatype.com/new-pymafka-malicious-package-drops-cobalt-strike-on-macos-windows-linux
21:19 TR Bot; New 'pymafka' malicious package drops Cobalt Strike on macOS, Windows, Linux
21:21 activelow; i would have accepted evdev for mouse events, i do not for keyboard events
21:22 activelow; the presence of evdev for keyboard events is another indicator for the conceptual flaws of non-tty pixel-buffer based window managers
21:22 TR News; Okteta making a small step to Qt6 | Attracted by virtual constructs https://frinring.wordpress.com/2022/05/20/okteta-making-a-small-step-to-qt6/ Source: frinring
21:22 TR Bot; Okteta making a small step to Qt6 | Attracted by virtual constructs
21:23 TR News; "Update on what happened across the GNOME project in the week from May 13 to May 20." https://thisweek.gnome.org/posts/2022/05/twig-44/
21:23 TR Bot; #44 Five Across This Week in GNOME
21:23 TR News; Public Submissions to U.S. Government Reveal Corporate Wishlist for IPEF: More Power at Our Expense https://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2022/05/public-submissions-to-us-government-reveal-corporate-wishlist-for-ipef-more-power-at-our-expense.html organised plunder
21:23 TR Bot; Eyes on Trade: Public Submissions to U.S. Government Reveal Corporate Wishlist for IPEF: More Power at Our Expense
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21:24 TR News; "That billionaire, corporate raider Ron Perelman, has deep and controversial ties to the Clinton family and the Democratic party as well as troubling ties to Jeffery Epstein." https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/05/investigative-reports/monkeypox-fears-may-rescue-endangered-corporations/
21:30 IPFS; Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-19.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-20.gmi
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21:55 TR News; xkcd: Angular Diameter Turnaround https://xkcd.com/2622/ Source: xkcd
21:55 TR Bot; Angular Diameter Turnaround
21:58 TR News; "Congress (and increasingly, state legislatures) has become a field for political football games, with vulnerable and marginalized people often used as the balls they toss around to score points and to attack their opponents." gemini://willowashmaple.smol.pub/2022-05-18-toxic-partisan-democracy
21:58 TR News; "On the one hand, it has been said by the conservatives that the United States is a republic, in which the constitution protects the rights of minorities from the wills of the mob. While this sounds good on its surface, it actually isn't when one considers that by "minorities" they usually mean "persecuted" rich white Christians." gemini://willowashmaple.smol.pub/2022-05-18-toxic-partisan-democracy
22:12 TR News; "I was checking how to remove background noise on calls so that everyone can be unmuted all the time. There's a tool, krisp.ai, that offers that for win and mac." gemini://lof.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-05-20%20how%20an%20open%20source%20project%20can%20get%20compromised.gmi
22:13 TR News; "How sad. It's a product that interfaces with pulseaudio, giving it access over every audio stream in your system. A wet dream for a spy agency. And of course, it got compromised." gemini://lof.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-05-20%20how%20an%20open%20source%20project%20can%20get%20compromised.gmi
22:14 TR News; "When my brother died, he left behind two young sons--one in middle school and the other in elementary. He was also in the middle of a divorce that wasn't finalized, so he left his wife with many financial issues that did not seem easy to deal with." gemini://rooster.smol.pub/tj2
22:15 TR News; Portable music memories gemini://sev.smol.pub/1653054239
22:16 TR News; UK 2022 and Germany 1933 gemini://midnight.pub/posts/958
22:16 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22051226
22:16 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/ozsh596lpfy81.jpg created on 2022-05-12 08:27:48.850077
22:16 TR News; Gemini: bringing the sense of wonder to the Internet again gemini://willowashmaple.smol.pub/2022-05-19-sense-of-wonder-again
22:17 TR News; A Call for a Gemini Without TLS gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-02-13.notls.gmi
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22:18 TR News; "It is almost certain that widely-accepted and used cryptography is compromised and is not a threat to governments (otherwise we would see a serious push for other technologies which include backdoors). In fact it is very likely that NSA and other such players are actively introducing and supporting certain encryption technologies." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-02-13.notls.gmi
22:19 TR News; Is a Unix Philosophy Browser Possible? gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-05-10.lagrange.gmi
22:19 TR News; "The Android port of Lagrange has progressed to a point where it's now running on a real device." gemini://skyjake.fi/gemlog/2021-12_lagrange-meets-a-green-robot.gmi
22:20 TR News; Trim Strings in Vim / Organize Firefox History gemini://pwshnotes.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-05-18-trim-strings-firefox-history.gmi
22:22 TR News; Outsourcing Sites to Social Control Media is an Outdated Mindset in 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/lwn-outsourcing/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/20/lwn-outsourcing/
22:22 TR Bot; Outsourcing Sites to Social Control Media is an Outdated Mindset in 2022 | Techrights
22:26 TR News; "Scientists Uncover a Shady Web of Online Spider Sales" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
22:28 TR News; DeleteGithub gemini://gemini.dimakrasner.com/gemhack.gmi
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22:32 TR News; "Sparta, for them as don't know, is a variant of gemini, without the (imo) unnecessary overhead of tls. This all appears to be a project of Michael Lazar, who's jetforce I have been using to serve gemini here from the very beginning." gemini://dgold.eu/arcadia.gmi
22:34 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/microsoft-china-censorship
22:34 TR Bot; censors search for Xi Jinping, Citizen Lab report finds - Protocol
22:35 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/enterprise/arm-ceo-ipo-plans
22:35 TR Bot; CEO outlines IPO plans to rival Intel, AMD - Protocol
22:38 TR News; Flatpak App of the Week: Pika Backup - Keeping Your Data Safe Was Never Easier Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165081
22:38 TR Bot; Flatpak App of the Week: Pika Backup - Keeping Your Data Safe Was Never Easier | Tux Machines
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22:39 TR News; 10 of the Best Graphic Design Software for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165082
22:39 TR Bot; 10 of the Best Graphic Design Software for Linux | Tux Machines
22:39 TR News; The 5 best Application Launchers for Ubuntu Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165083
22:39 TR Bot; The 5 best Application Launchers for Ubuntu | Tux Machines
22:40 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I quoted Jamie Zawinski's response to a deposition in my credit card dispute, in part.
22:40 TR News; GNOME and KDE: This Week in GNOME, Qt6 and KF6 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165084
22:40 TR Bot; GNOME and KDE: This Week in GNOME, Qt6 and KF6 | Tux Machines
22:40 DaemonFC; I accused Batteries Plus Bulbs and Chouhan of using the telephone to "harass, threaten, intimidate, inconvenience, and annoy" me.
22:41 activelow; nice, got sixel-passthrough now, yaft+dvtm and w3m browser, not perfect yet, nonetheless, rather useful, for an admittedly tiny niche of develoeprs
22:42 DaemonFC; And said that he was committing the offense of "Disorderly Conduct" by way of misusing the telephone system.
22:43 DaemonFC; Not that the police would do anything.
22:43 DaemonFC; "WHY U NO FILE POLICE REPORT!"
22:43 DaemonFC; Also the police if you try to file a report: "What do you want us to do about it?".
22:44 DaemonFC; I've learned it's best to just leave the police out of it. I mean, you want to know what the police are like, look at the mass shooting in Buffalo.
22:44 DaemonFC; A store clerk called 911 while people were being mowed down by a domestic terrorist with an assault rifle.
22:45 DaemonFC; The 911 operator yelled at her for whispering so that the guy didn't hear her and come shoot her as well, and then 911 hung up on her.
22:45 DaemonFC; Then she had to call her boyfriend and explain that people were being murdered and to try to call 911 in another county so they could get the police in her county to show up to the store.
22:46 DaemonFC; Just in time for the guy to run out of bullets, you know.
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22:51 schestowitz_TR2; hi norad
22:54 TR News; Bing censors search for Xi Jinping, Citizen Lab report finds http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165024#comment-33745
22:54 TR Bot; Bada Bing, Bada Boom: Microsoft Bings Chinese Political Censorship of Autosuggestions in North America | Tux Machines
22:54 norad; why are you hing me?
22:56 schestowitz_TR2; "hing"?
22:56 schestowitz_TR2; hi'ing?
22:56 schestowitz_TR2; because I thought you were new here
22:56 schestowitz_TR2; being polite
22:56 norad; is that an emoji?
22:57 norad; i'i
22:57 schestowitz_TR2; we rarely use emojis
22:57 schestowitz_TR2; many irc clients don't support those
22:57 norad; so sad
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 22.36 average k/sec., average swarm size 385.06
22:59 norad; :>
23:00 norad; what client doesnt support that?
23:07 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/20/banking-is-a-competitive-but-they-try-to-stay-out-of-each-others-way-why-i-like-credit-cards-and-hate-annual-fees/
23:07 TR Bot; Banking is a competitive, but they try to stay out of each others way. Why I like credit cards and hate annual fees. BaronHK's Rants
23:07 schestowitz_TR2; old CPI ones for sure
23:08 schestowitz_TR2; CLI
23:09 DaemonFC; "And when you throw multiple cards with annual fees together, eventually you wont even have a good idea how much you really net in rewards points."
23:09 DaemonFC; None of my cards has an annual fee. That's non-negotiable.
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23:10 DaemonFC; I considered one of those AmEx Blue Cash preferred cards when I had excellent credit.
23:10 DaemonFC; Then I calculated that even if I did earn 6% on groceries full time, the $95 annual fee still wouldn't have been worth it vs. a grocery card with 3% that I already had.
23:11 DaemonFC; Because I already had a 5% card to use at Walmart, which sells groceries, and doesn't code as a grocery store, so would only return 1% on the AmEx.
23:12 DaemonFC; The AmEx is only worth it for large families who spend a ton of money at an actual coded grocery store. And yes, Aldi and Sav-a-Lot even code as grocery stores.
23:12 DaemonFC; So the 6% on the AmEx will work on discount groceries.
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23:13 DaemonFC; It's a lot of trial and error to figure out what things even code as sometimes, but all the grocery cards say "Walmart, Target, and other Big Box stores do not count as a grocery store and will not earn bonus points.".
23:13 schestowitz_TR2; you give them your ID
23:13 schestowitz_TR2; and your shopping list
23:13 DaemonFC; Because they get so many complaints otherwise.
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23:18 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, Which they have anyway if you use a debit card or shop online.
23:19 DaemonFC; If you write them a check, they know what you bought and whose name is on the account.
23:24 psydroid2; mutahar went out of sync in his video for me at least
23:30 DaemonFC; "The danger with a Secured Card is that if you default, the bank can take your deposit, report the entire balance to the credit bureaus anyway, and then sue you for the entire amount on top of keeping your deposit, so the risk is yours, and its guaranteed money for the bank. This is why most Secured Cards approve everyone. But it still looks like a tradeline, just as any other credit card would."
23:33 DaemonFC; You're not asking the bank to risk their money, you're asking them to let you risk your own money, a few times over, with the security deposit guaranteed to cover any actual loss you cause.
23:33 DaemonFC; So of course they issue you a "credit card".
23:33 DaemonFC; But as bad a deal as that is, there's worse.
23:34 DaemonFC; There's "credit builder loans" where you deposit money, and they freeze it and then it looks like a loan you make, with interest payments, and then they give you the original amount of the deposit back.
23:34 DaemonFC; This is how badly people need credit to function in this country, and it's not at all clear that credit builder loans actually help much.
23:35 DaemonFC; You still have a bankruptcy on file, and all the lenders know what that loan is, even if it is reporting on your credit file.
23:35 DaemonFC; In the mean time, you have thousands of dollars tied up and may get into actual trouble again with real bills.
23:36 DaemonFC; My bankruptcy attorney tried to refer me to some of those when I got my discharge letter. I told her I was aware of them and I felt they were exploitative and dangerous, and had a plan to rebuild my credit at no expense.
23:38 TR News; Centralised or federated censorship/filtering platforms (also known as social [control] media [sic]) arent the way forward; were therefore a little surprised that Linux Weekly News (LWN) bothers with that languishing bandwagon all of a sudden http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/lwn-outsourcing/
23:38 TR Bot; Outsourcing Sites to Social Control Media is an Outdated Mindset in 2022 | Techrights
23:43 TR News; Mysterious firm seeks to buy majority stake in Arm China - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/20/mysterious_arm_china/ Source: theregister
23:43 TR Bot; Mysterious firm seeks to buy majority stake in Arm China The Register
23:45 TR News; HP finally offering PROPER GNU/Linux... and on ARM instead of x86 https://hpdevone.com/
23:45 TR Bot; HP Dev One | Home Page
23:46 schestowitz_TR2; psydroid2: ^
23:46 psydroid2; where did that come from?
23:47 psydroid2; oh, it's AMD apparently and not ARM
23:47 psydroid2; unless I'm misreading something
23:48 psydroid2; screw AMD
23:48 psydroid2; and HP
23:48 TR News; The 10 Best Linux Apps for Musicians Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165085
23:48 TR Bot; The 10 Best Linux Apps for Musicians | Tux Machines
23:48 schestowitz_TR2; oh, yes :-( AMD
23:50 psydroid2; HP probably trying to prop up sales after a disastrous quarter
23:50 TR News; How to migrate from Blogger to WordPress https://unixcop.com/migrate-from-blogger-to-wordpress/ getting away from Gulag
23:50 TR Bot; Migrate from blogger to wordpress - Unix / Linux the admins Tutorials
23:54 TR News; "When I write the word imagineering, what does it mean to you? Does it make you think of a certain company or concept? Is that company or concept perhaps something related to a cartoon or a theme park?" https://tedium.co/2022/05/20/disney-imagineering-word-history/
23:54 TR Bot; Imagineering History: A Word With Roots Far Beyond Disney
23:54 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165086
23:54 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
23:55 TR News; "Banking is a competitive, but they try to stay out of each others way. Why I like credit cards and hate annual fees. What is FICO and VantageScore?" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/20/banking-is-a-competitive-but-they-try-to-stay-out-of-each-others-way-why-i-like-credit-cards-and-hate-annual-fees/
23:55 TR Bot; Banking is a competitive, but they try to stay out of each others way. Why I like credit cards and hate annual fees. BaronHK's Rants
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