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07:58 Techrights-sec; Heard a rumor that all the web shops with an EU presence must meet some
07:58 Techrights-sec; basic level of accessibiity. However, no source yet and, of course,
07:58 Techrights-sec; the devil is in the details even if they do comply by 2025.
07:58 Techrights-sec; It might be an opportunity to eliminate the dependency on javascript
07:58 Techrights-sec; and move from "web apps" back to actual web pages.
07:58 Techrights-sec; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-180522.html#tMay%2018%2020:22:22
07:58 Techrights-sec; LPI or LF ought to help bail out Costa Rica
07:58 Techrights-sec; Costa Rica is at war with M$, not Conti, but does not admit it
07:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, May 18, 2022
08:02 schestowitz-TR; damn. after 200 or so days my xfce4 lost power overnight
08:02 schestowitz-TR; no I need to restore ther whole session
08:02 schestowitz-TR; sole upside is, I can restore it better than before
08:02 schestowitz-TR; and workflows have changed
08:51 Techrights-sec; LPI and LF ought to make an effort to help Costa Rica out of their Windoze#########
08:51 Techrights-sec; predicament, Conti is only partially to blame, the presence of Windows allows
08:51 Techrights-sec; ransomware to thrive
08:52 schestowitz-TR; I think our session got a little affected by me trying to re-access it from "cavan"
08:52 schestowitz-TR; I am shuffleing many things around
08:52 schestowitz-TR; taking the opportunity to better distribute tasks
08:52 schestowitz-TR; new is very slow
08:52 schestowitz-TR; I found no topic eysterdat
08:52 schestowitz-TR; silence is better than impulsive crap
08:53 Techrights-sec; yep
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09:07 schestowitz-TR; "Part of the reason for this weiphlog was to call bullshit on social media: on the itch we have to be heard in a forum. The toxic itch for professorial exhibition." gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/~shufei/phlog/Shufei-ThisAndThat-Weiphlog.gmi
09:20 Techrights-sec; ack
09:34 schestowitz-TR; minor point: christine hall wrote something yesterday
09:34 schestowitz-TR; yes, it's significant
09:34 schestowitz-TR; as the blog was mostly dead lately
09:34 Techrights-sec; I stopped reading her site a while back
09:34 schestowitz-TR; but many of the articles have neen lf and ibm boosting
09:34 schestowitz-TR; it's not "organic"
09:34 schestowitz-TR; it's paid-for agenda
09:35 schestowitz-TR; there mau be a dead of change on the Web
09:35 schestowitz-TR; not what we see right now
09:35 schestowitz-TR; but something more profound
09:35 schestowitz-TR; as webspam is becoming very widespread
09:35 schestowitz-TR; there's no news!
09:35 schestowitz-TR; certainly not in patents
09:35 schestowitz-TR; and "linux" became the same
09:35 schestowitz-TR; social control media at crossroads
09:37 Techrights-sec; social control media is part of that problem since so many take shortcuts
09:37 Techrights-sec; and instead of doing even a minimal amount of investigation, just checking
09:37 Techrights-sec; to see what twitter wants them to see
09:37 schestowitz-TR; comment moderationm became "uneconomic" because people remark in censored, filters social control
09:37 schestowitz-TR; media and not in comment facilities of blogs
09:37 schestowitz-TR; that's like disqus ousourcing but bigger
09:37 schestowitz-TR; and lowers the incentive for news sites to carry on at all
09:37 Techrights-sec; by steering readers over to social control medai they actively reduce the
09:37 Techrights-sec; likelihood that they will return to the site and over time there is enough
09:37 Techrights-sec; attrition for it be a significant drop in numbers :(
09:38 schestowitz-TR; yes, exactly
09:38 schestowitz-TR; many young people never heard of rss
09:38 schestowitz-TR; and they are becoming fluent in algospeak
09:38 schestowitz-TR; and memorising emojis
09:46 Techrights-sec; which just means that first their speech, then their behavior, then their
09:46 Techrights-sec; thoughts become warped to Twitter's (and the others') agenda.
09:46 Techrights-sec; Perhaps more importantly, they are not learning or growing mentally, emotionally
09:46 Techrights-sec; Instead they are addicted to an interface which provides only highly ephemeral
09:46 Techrights-sec; stimulation in exchange for "emitting behaviors" like a handheld skinner box.
09:50 schestowitz-TR; digg was a form of agamification
09:50 schestowitz-TR; I could never understand why one-line comment of "like" or "digg"
09:50 schestowitz-TR; was any more worthy than propert communication
09:50 schestowitz-TR; like irc
09:50 schestowitz-TR; where you can interact in real time
09:50 schestowitz-TR; social control media is having massive delays in communicstion
09:50 schestowitz-TR; and the topics are thus all over the place
09:50 schestowitz-TR; so the debate cannot develop
09:51 Techrights-sec; they can't memorize the emojis since they change meaning over the weeks that
09:51 Techrights-sec; pass.
09:51 Techrights-sec; Like I said, it's highly ephemeral.
09:51 Techrights-sec; Digg censored very heavily.
09:51 Techrights-sec; Any time you bring up Digg, I will recall that it blocked any and all mention
09:51 Techrights-sec; of the OpenDocument Format and related material on Open Standards.
09:55 Techrights-sec; TR published article/s about ODF in Digg
09:55 Techrights-sec; but it was a very long time ago
09:55 schestowitz-TR; TR published article/s about ODF in Digg
09:55 schestowitz-TR; but it was a very long time ago
09:55 Techrights-sec; Yes, I recall that TR tried but they were quickly sidelined there, as was
09:55 Techrights-sec; anything related to ODF.
09:57 schestowitz-TR; back in those days our company run an EVENT for ODF
09:57 schestowitz-TR; now we have some fools who do web-based
09:57 schestowitz-TR; like it's OK
09:57 schestowitz-TR; I was thinking of your standards work yesterday
09:57 schestowitz-TR; but I cannot remember the substance or context
09:57 schestowitz-TR; it could not even been so important, else I'd have brought it up
09:57 schestowitz-TR; but document formats are barely even a topic anymore
10:00 schestowitz-TR; for that matter (continuing my thoughts)
10:00 schestowitz-TR; now we have "apps", not "web"
10:00 schestowitz-TR; and "web" is "webapps"
10:00 schestowitz-TR; even things like twitter devolved in this way
10:00 schestowitz-TR; similarly, rss is not a thing
10:00 schestowitz-TR; ownership is not a thing
10:00 schestowitz-TR; "streaming"
10:00 schestowitz-TR; DRM
10:00 schestowitz-TR; there's a storm brewing
10:00 schestowitz-TR; I want to see what happens when some "tech titans" collapse
10:00 schestowitz-TR; and the aftermath
10:04 schestowitz-TR; sometiems it feels like we just need to be patient and persistg until some storms passes
10:04 schestowitz-TR; many won't make it to the other side
10:04 schestowitz-TR; and this is fine
10:04 schestowitz-TR; but the important thing is to maintain operations and come to the other side
10:04 schestowitz-TR; software freedom is under attack for decades already
10:04 schestowitz-TR; but 39 years later it's still here
10:11 Techrights-sec; yes but unfortunately proprietary software still has a noticeable presence
10:11 Techrights-sec; and above all in schools, that is *extremely* harmful
10:12 schestowitz-TR; schools get targeted deliberately
10:14 schestowitz-TR; artment of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/05/15/corporate-media-ignore-left-critiques-governments-new-disinformation-board | Source: Common Dreams
10:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Corporate Media Ignore Left Critiques of Government's New 'Disinformation' Board | Julianne Tveten
10:15 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "Disinformation has become a central tool in the United States and Russias expanding information war." https://fair.org/home/disinformation-label-serves-to-marginalize-crucial-ukraine-facts/ | Source: FAIR
10:15 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fair.org | 'Disinformation' Label Serves to Marginalize Crucial Ukraine Facts - FAIR
10:15 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "disinformation" or pretext for censorship? https://scheerpost.com/2022/05/18/dhs-disinformation-board-put-on-pause-after-backlash/ | Source: Scheerpost
10:15 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DHS Disinformation Board Put on Pause After Backlash scheerpost.com
10:17 Techrights-sec; yes and it is related to the disinformation campaign in that they use a
10:17 Techrights-sec; similar principle. When people adopt a position on a topic, they very rarely
10:17 Techrights-sec; let facts subsquently interfere with that position. So the proprietary shops
10:17 Techrights-sec; aim to get children exposed to their products before anything else.
10:17 Techrights-sec; Also M$ damages society by being so illogical, complicated, and convolted, so
10:18 Techrights-sec; that any kid that claims to be interested in computers will be driven away
10:18 Techrights-sec; unless they are compliant. Those that make the cut will be useless for real computing on the basis on their inability to work
10:18 Techrights-sec; logically. Thus you end up
10:18 Techrights-sec; with a pool of clowns, exclusively, in regards to what the industry has become.
10:18 Techrights-sec; Same for research since those who would have surpassing skills are culled
10:18 Techrights-sec; early on.
10:18 schestowitz-TR; I think this is the subject of Mark's next book
10:19 Techrights-sec; When is that book due?
10:19 schestowitz-TR; he is probably too busy marking up exams and other nonsese at the 'school'
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10:21 Techrights-sec; ack
10:25 schestowitz-TR; [bing rant]
10:25 schestowitz-TR; *big
10:25 schestowitz-TR; (need outlet)
10:25 schestowitz-TR; woke up this morning, one laptop shut down
10:25 schestowitz-TR; I was suspicious of it when I went to bed, double-checked
10:26 schestowitz-TR; it's one of two where the socket is super sensitive
10:26 schestowitz-TR; and I can sometimes catch it when not afk
10:26 schestowitz-TR; after convincing myself "maybe for the better" (mental trick)
10:26 schestowitz-TR; because I reshuffled tasks around (xfce unlike kde does not restore sessiopns afisk)
10:26 schestowitz-TR; the other laptop also shut down, at 9am
10:26 schestowitz-TR; I complained about this one in IRC last night
10:26 schestowitz-TR; they both have a loose connection near the power inlet
10:26 schestowitz-TR; and it's like voodoo magic getting it right
10:26 schestowitz-TR; so now I need to spend my whole morning shuffl things again
10:26 schestowitz-TR; to feel like I gain on productivity
10:26 schestowitz-TR; thankfully the news seemed slow
10:26 schestowitz-TR; based ona rapid alta visdta before rianne has a pass at it
10:26 schestowitz-TR; the setup here is underutilised a
10:26 schestowitz-TR; and Istill don't know what happens ij the company and thus if I can phase out some things
10:26 schestowitz-TR; the lack of certainty is a nuisance
10:26 schestowitz-TR; fore the company, the lack of a future is a years-long issue
10:26 schestowitz-TR; as a non-shareholders I did not care as long as I could "milk"
10:29 schestowitz-TR; sub-rant"
10:29 schestowitz-TR; depending on distro and version, some machines have synergy
10:29 schestowitz-TR; some only have barrier
10:29 schestowitz-TR; so the main laptop connects to two laptops over synergy
10:29 schestowitz-TR; and two over barrier
10:29 schestowitz-TR; even just shoehorning the darn thing into some distros was hard work
10:30 schestowitz-TR; the issue is, the motion of the mouse is counterintuitive
10:30 schestowitz-TR; as you cannot properly assign corners
10:30 schestowitz-TR; you have to memorse that going to the far left means going all the way to the right
10:30 schestowitz-TR; because the layout is set separately for barrier and synergy
10:30 schestowitz-TR; over different port numbers
10:30 schestowitz-TR; and the two bits of software, which are based on similar codebase, do not mix well
10:30 schestowitz-TR; the lack of intuitive mouse motion costs time
10:30 schestowitz-TR; I had it perfect int he old office
10:30 schestowitz-TR; but then I could no longer trust the ssd so addeed a new laptop and another screen
10:30 schestowitz-TR; needed bigger desk
10:30 schestowitz-TR; very sub-optimal atm
10:30 schestowitz-TR; I should take advatage of news slowness and tackle this
10:33 Techrights-sec; ack
10:37 Techrights-sec; sometimes it is necessary to invest in improving the local infrastructure
10:38 schestowitz-TR; a never ending optimisation problem when the hardware keeps changing
10:38 schestowitz-TR; new hardware, new fault, new conditions
10:38 schestowitz-TR; in winter I might go back upstairs
10:38 schestowitz-TR; for heat mostly
10:38 Techrights-sec; yes, frequent tuning is necessary plus the occasional major adjustment
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11:30 schestowitz-TR; TIL: better not to have rightt-right or left-to-left in synergy/barrier
11:30 schestowitz-TR; it's not only a technically bad thing
11:30 schestowitz-TR; it also increases mouse journey and collisions
11:30 schestowitz-TR; but I still improvise with irrational things like "go beyond to" of screen to be to the lft
11:30 schestowitz-TR; *left
11:30 schestowitz-TR; I partly blame synergy
11:30 schestowitz-TR; for trying to go proprietary
11:30 schestowitz-TR; and partly the distros
11:30 schestowitz-TR; as there is still a version of synergy that's free
11:30 schestowitz-TR; but the new distros only include barrier
11:30 schestowitz-TR; that leads to a split
11:32 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/mike34698631/status/1527155709313310720#m
11:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Mike-Gee (@mike34698631): "techrights.org/billwatch-res" | nitter.it
11:32 schestowitz-TR; some very very old DBs (20+ years) are still of use
11:38 Techrights-sec; ack
11:38 Techrights-sec; Bill Watch
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11:40 schestowitz-TR; I reckon some of the people behind it are no longer alive
11:40 schestowitz-TR; knowing their ages at the time...
11:40 schestowitz-TR; Ours is the last copy, there are other such sites like "Boycott Microsoft"
11:40 schestowitz-TR; But we do not have a full copy, IA should have one
11:40 schestowitz-TR; one day Microsoft will cease to exist
11:40 schestowitz-TR; but people will recall it wrongly
11:40 schestowitz-TR; One day I will wake up to the news that Bill Gates is dead
11:40 schestowitz-TR; and there will be work needed to set the record straight
11:40 schestowitz-TR; the hagiographies are paid for.. for decades in advance
11:40 Techrights-sec; unfortunately that twitter account is not quite the best to be associated with
11:40 Techrights-sec; Yes, the last copy.
11:40 Techrights-sec; It will be hard becaue the revisionists will still work hard at it because
11:40 Techrights-sec; so many near him have dirty hands too.
11:43 Techrights-sec; If they bury Bill, they'll need to establish a pissoir at the headstone to
11:43 Techrights-sec; handle the line of people who arrive to piss on the grave in an environmentally
11:43 Techrights-sec; sound manner. If they put a little water wheel on it, they might even
11:43 Techrights-sec; be able to power a small light or something.
11:45 schestowitz-TR; I did now check that Muskster's account
11:45 schestowitz-TR; but in that site many who speak about Bill are bad to associate with
11:45 schestowitz-TR; the other day's bill's guardian posted a provocative headline
11:45 schestowitz-TR; I think the PR strategy is to associate all the critics with anttio-vaxxers
11:45 schestowitz-TR; by provokign them
11:45 schestowitz-TR; just sayin'
11:45 schestowitz-TR; rich people can hire decent PR firms
11:45 schestowitz-TR; they know how to play the game
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11:47 Techrights-sec;
11:47 Techrights-sec; yes that is one of their strategies.
11:47 Techrights-sec; As pages and sites disappear, today's people (young and the forgetful old both) will not accept what was common information in
11:47 Techrights-sec; the 1990s. Most any mainstream
11:47 Techrights-sec; tech journals articles on M$ or Bill from that era would be dismissed out of
11:47 Techrights-sec; hand nowadays as "hate".
11:47 Techrights-sec; even though the were all reporting on documented facts and, in some cases,
11:47 Techrights-sec; matters of court record.
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11:52 schestowitz-TR; today is refactoring day
11:52 schestowitz-TR; don't mind me not producing many articles
11:52 schestowitz-TR; I spoke to rianne about the lack of clarity on what happens later this year
11:52 schestowitz-TR; but I have had some vacant monmitors
11:52 schestowitz-TR; while I STILL use many virtual desktops
11:52 schestowitz-TR; so it's wrong! I should not have to use any virtual desktops
11:52 schestowitz-TR; at last when I woke up I could say no downtime
11:52 schestowitz-TR; only the chat page in gemini was not updating
11:52 schestowitz-TR; as it relies on the ddos protection loop (bad design, I know)
11:53 schestowitz-TR; those should be two separate jobs, not hooked together like this
11:55 schestowitz-TR; the walmart aftermath (amazon and target aftershocks, too) will be interesting
11:55 schestowitz-TR; tesco yesterday did not have many people
11:55 schestowitz-TR; and the discount section was "too" popular
11:55 schestowitz-TR; asda car park (walmart uk) was also quite vacant
11:55 schestowitz-TR; shopping stopped (standstill), sports still go on, but they're just a show for the masses
12:17 Techrights-sec; ack
12:17 schestowitz-TR; those who can afford porch time
12:17 schestowitz-TR; 1) some are too stressed to do it
12:17 schestowitz-TR; 2) some caught up in a job they hate 9-5
12:17 schestowitz-TR; I am still trying to lower our expenses a bit
12:17 schestowitz-TR; then I can calculate a bunch of things
12:17 schestowitz-TR; I really don't want to do this job full time
12:17 schestowitz-TR; rianne does it part time and no longer likes it either
12:17 schestowitz-TR; "This is Day 2 of "balcony sitting" - sitting out on my balcony all day, in the nice Spring weather, hammering away text on my
12:18 schestowitz-TR; phone, enjoying the birds and sunshine (and rain, should it ever arrive), and just basking in the ambiance of it all." gemini:
12:18 schestowitz-TR; //tmo.smol.pub/1652805235
12:18 schestowitz-TR; sometimes people realise life isn't just about "making money"
12:18 schestowitz-TR; but usually they realise it when it's too late
12:18 schestowitz-TR; and they run out of time/clock
12:20 Techrights-sec; ack
12:20 schestowitz-TR; I've just customised the xfce clock to show things more neatly with a calendar next to it
12:20 schestowitz-TR; so I don't have to click on things to study weather, calendar etc.
12:20 schestowitz-TR; cavan backup is OK now, I had to turn off firewall in kde neon
12:20 schestowitz-TR; the scenario I am not prepared for is house fire
12:22 schestowitz-TR; offsite backups have their own risk
12:22 schestowitz-TR; leave with company, risk corporations and gov.
12:22 schestowitz-TR; leave with a friend, worry how nosy the friend may be
12:22 schestowitz-TR; I used to give a disk without the wires
12:22 schestowitz-TR; and if it's ext and the friend uses Windows, snooping is extra hard
12:22 schestowitz-TR; the problem is, during house move there was a loss
12:22 schestowitz-TR; he does not know where it is now, but it was misplaced internally rather than stolen
12:22 schestowitz-TR; so that in itself carries risk
12:23 Techrights-sec; ack
12:23 Techrights-sec; LUKS is probably adequate encryptioon for that
12:25 schestowitz-TR; yes, but that is a very large capacity and an old drive
12:25 schestowitz-TR; even if discovered now, it might not mount
12:25 schestowitz-TR; like my other drive, which 2 weeks ago I turned into a brick to hold up my monitor
12:25 schestowitz-TR; tbh, those 300gb drives are very small by today's standards
12:25 schestowitz-TR; so they're contained (copied onto) the newer 3tb drives
12:27 Techrights-sec; If yout have incremental backups for any period of time, you'll need at least
12:27 Techrights-sec; 1TB or 2TB per collection / site.
12:27 Techrights-sec; They're under 70 EUR for 2TB nowadays
12:27 schestowitz-TR; all those posers in gulagtube wqith their home nas
12:27 schestowitz-TR; and nas company-sponsored spam ("video")
12:27 schestowitz-TR; they never mention offsite
12:27 schestowitz-TR; 10 drives in a rack burn just as fast as one inside a laptop
12:29 schestowitz-TR; (rianne cooking lasange at the moment, we got many paste sheets for 10p per pack; I think we save about
12:29 schestowitz-TR; 200 pounds a month on food and the hunting/shoppign can be fun... like capture the flag)
12:29 schestowitz-TR; some people in youtube turn that into a game
12:29 Techrights-sec; good price
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14:19 schestowitz-TR; ota
14:19 schestowitz-TR; draft
14:20 Techrights-sec; ack
14:20 Techrights-sec; the parentheses are not needed, just add "with" or other preposition
14:20 Techrights-sec; s/50/50 servers/
14:20 Techrights-sec; The summary could introduce the call for decentralization which is also in the
14:20 Techrights-sec; conclusion
14:20 schestowitz-TR; thanks, extending while video is processing
14:26 Techrights-sec; "last summer (few active" -> "last summer with few active"
14:27 schestowitz-TR; thanks, I'll throw in a bunch of links explaning why decentralise
14:27 Techrights-sec; np
14:34 schestowitz-TR; parentheses for leenode?
14:34 Techrights-sec; "last summer (few active" -> "last summer with few active"
14:34 Techrights-sec; np
14:34 schestowitz-TR; thanks, I'll throw in a bunch of links explaning why decentralise
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14:54 schestowitz-TR; finalising
14:54 schestowitz-TR; unique subject
14:54 schestowitz-TR; imprtant
14:54 schestowitz-TR; involuntary researched for it in recent days
14:54 Techrights-sec; ack
14:54 schestowitz-TR; nobody will cover these things
14:54 schestowitz-TR; better than banal repetiotion of announcements
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15:41 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Phipps on Software Patents https://blog.opensource.org/osi-to-the-european-commission-make-space-for-patent-free-standards-too/ OSI was still mostly OK when he ran it...
15:41 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.opensource.org | OSI to the European Commission: make space for patent-free standards too Voices of Open Source
15:55 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> With Microsoft employee inside Public Knowledge's Board it is now using Microsoft lobbyist talking points like "Big Tech" https://publicknowledge.org/new-public-knowledge-paper-outlines-how-regulation-and-antitrust-law-can-work-synergistically-to-rein-in-big-tech/
15:55 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-publicknowledge.org | New Public Knowledge Paper Outlines How Regulation and Antitrust Law Can Work Synergistically To Rein In Big Tech - Public Knowledge
16:03 Techrights-sec; ack
16:03 Techrights-sec; it's a good statement against sw patents
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17:37 Techrights-sec; too many people fall for FRAND meaning anything other than proprietary
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18:56 schestowitz-TR; slow news
18:56 schestowitz-TR; re-orging desk
18:56 schestowitz-TR; topic suggestionsd welcome
18:56 schestowitz-TR; on shift till 1am
19:09 schestowitz-TR; ack
19:09 schestowitz-TR; "FRAND" is still a problem, Phipps refered to it by name but I didn't see
19:09 Techrights-sec; ack
19:09 Techrights-sec; "FRAND" is still a problem, Phipps refered to it by name but I didn't see
19:09 Techrights-sec; him taking the term apart sufficiently though he does somewhat in the
19:09 Techrights-sec; conclusion
19:09 schestowitz-TR; him taking the term apart sufficiently though he does somewhat in the
19:09 schestowitz-TR; conclusion
19:17 schestowitz-TR; [19:14] <DaemonFC> When I quit Walmart the second time, they wanted me to sign a document containing a list of their alleged grievances against me.
19:31 schestowitz-TR; good news:
19:31 schestowitz-TR; there's good reason to believe TR is the reason Campinos had the temper tantrum
19:31 schestowitz-TR; I have more on this
19:31 schestowitz-TR; Minnoye was also openly annoyed
19:31 schestowitz-TR; being a thorn on their side is good
19:31 schestowitz-TR; and effective
19:32 Techrights-sec; ack
19:32 Techrights-sec; very good news
19:34 schestowitz-TR; there are almost 7000 staff
19:34 schestowitz-TR; and 38 member states
19:34 schestowitz-TR; he does not know who talks to me
19:34 schestowitz-TR; it could even be a managers disloyal to him
19:34 schestowitz-TR; or a delegate
19:35 Techrights-sec; that's also very good news
19:35 Techrights-sec; not disloyal to him, but instead loyal to the EPO mission
19:35 Techrights-sec; part of the reason he has to leave is that he has corrupted the top levels
19:35 schestowitz-TR; like Beranas
19:35 schestowitz-TR; Battistelli sent him packing
19:35 schestowitz-TR; after he had warned about crowning Battistelli
19:35 Techrights-sec; yes
19:36 schestowitz-TR; ota in a moment
19:36 schestowitz-TR; speak later or tomorrow
19:36 Techrights-sec; ack
19:36 Techrights-sec; afk in a while anyway
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