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00:00 highest_cubist_thrills; dear princess celestia... https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mHEh1oK6hb0
00:00 MinceR; i would have told you that vim exists
00:00 TR Bot; Doogie Howser - Journal End Scene - Humility and Self Respect - Invidious
00:00 MinceR; all you had to do is ask
00:00 mixling; MinceR: Vim is _slow_
00:01 mixling; some weeks ago, i wasted time, to hunt which plugin slowed down Vim startup, required several seconds
00:01 MinceR; sounds like your plugin was slow, not vim
00:01 mixling; compiling Vim, cross-compiling, isn't nice
00:01 MinceR; https://assets.amuniversal.com/6b08abb09fbb012f2fe600163e41dd5b
00:01 mixling; MinceR: the plugin is execed by some Vim-specific script interpreter
00:01 mixling; *executed
00:02 mixling; Vim is slow, it's a beast
00:03 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Oh my goodness, this is so corny.
00:03 mixling; i will miss some plugins, but vis editor will avoid many problems, i hope, when removing GNU-buildsystem (autotools/automake)
00:03 highest_cubist_thrills; well they didnt have the same writers as mlp
00:03 highest_cubist_thrills; the good news is that many years later he would play lance in undercover brother
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; /me is pretty sure the 90s were actually just a bad acid trip, not a real decade
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; there was some awesome music though
00:04 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Russians agree.
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; i think it was even worse in russia
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; there was some awesome accordion music though
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; (no, really)
00:06 highest_cubist_thrills; "OH, MAKE IT TALK!"-- weird al, i love rocky road
00:06 MinceR; mixling: ah, you need an artificial limitation so you won't run any plugins because your own willpower isn't enough :>
00:07 *MinceR is pretty sure the 90s were a great decade for movies, video games and music
00:07 MinceR; and video game music
00:07 starstreak; +1
00:08 highest_cubist_thrills; bleep bleep bloop bleep bleep bleep
00:08 starstreak; i like music better from the 00s tho
00:08 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/18/geico-told-me-i-was-a-very-safe-driver-and-proceeded-to-raise-my-six-month-premium-by-over-150/
00:08 TR Bot; Geico told me I was a very safe driver and proceeded to raise my six month premium by over $150. | BaronHK's Rants
00:08 mixling; MinceR: i will miss various vim-plugins, no doubt, but those are not worth the problems to cope with elsewhere
00:08 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YkgfmWfJ11s
00:08 TR Bot; Air - All I Need - New Video! - Invidious
00:09 DaemonFC; Still working on it.
00:09 MinceR; 19 010804 < highest_cubist_thrills> bleep bleep bloop bleep bleep bleep
00:10 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOLAOjVTA0
00:10 TR Bot; https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=zfOLAOjVTA0
00:10 TR Bot; youtube.076.ne.jp | Hexen Music PC: Winnowing Hall - Invidious
00:10 starstreak; MinceR is pretty sure the 90s were a great decade for movies, video games and <- and WMs
00:10 DaemonFC; San Francisco deserves to fail.
00:10 highest_cubist_thrills; definitely for wms
00:10 DaemonFC; It's a city full of freaks and weirdos.
00:11 DaemonFC; If we're lucky, Matthew Garrett will lose his job as a part of a "mass reorg" or whatever they call it now to avoid saying layoff or recession.
00:11 starstreak; i liked gnome 2, thats from the 00s
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00:12 MinceR; gnome 1 was from the 90s and it was better
00:12 MinceR; neither of those are wm-s though
00:12 starstreak; enlightenment was badass in the 90s
00:12 starstreak; my friend had it running on a 486
00:13 MinceR; if slowness, massive tooltips, tons of cryptic buttons and baroque overdetailing are badass, yes
00:13 starstreak; :/
00:13 mixling; vis editor, raises one question, which is reliance on LUA scripting
00:14 mixling; it seems, lua will be easy to bootstrap; perl and python are rather difficult in this regard
00:14 mixling; with python i haven't got a bootstrapping path with tcc-toolchain at all, and with perl i had to roll-back to version 5.8 (year 2003)
00:14 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWr12CQHTxE
00:14 TR Bot; https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=cWr12CQHTxE
00:14 TR Bot; inv.bp.projectsegfau.lt | Tyrian Soundtrack (Roland Sound Canvas SC-88) - Invidious
00:15 mixling; yet, i removed python from the tcc-toolchain profile, no need for this one
00:15 starstreak; oooo Tyrian :D
00:15 mixling; and if i remove all GNU-buildsystem dependencies, i won't need Perl anymore either (except linux kernel build, not sure yet)
00:16 mixling; hence, a scripting language besides shell occasionally is useful, why not, i'll give lua a chance
00:16 starstreak; Tyrian was one of the best DOS games
00:16 MinceR; the correct version of the Tyrian logo doesn't have a dot on the 'i' though
00:16 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOLAOjVTA0 <- midi really needs to come back
00:16 MinceR; (as it's an ambigram)
00:16 MinceR; highest_cubist_thrills: so do modules
00:16 highest_cubist_thrills; yes
00:16 MinceR; if i ever get around to making my fantasy AFPS, it will have support for midi and module music
00:18 mixling; the situation with scripting languages is, ideally, there won't be more than two of those at most
00:19 mixling; shell script of cause, and lua, why not... tccboot did re-implement linux Kbuild too for linux-2.4, don't know if perl is remaining there
00:19 mixling; ideally not, then it's shell and lua script, and nothing else
00:19 MinceR; lol lua
00:19 mixling; vis-editor depends on it
00:20 mixling; MinceR: what's lol with lua?
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00:22 highest_cubist_thrills; i think part of the reason im not offended by englightment is twofold
00:22 highest_cubist_thrills; despite the fact that ive never been able to use it
00:22 highest_cubist_thrills; first, at a time when it was actually a pretty clever hack, they did a lot of things extremely well
00:22 MinceR; very low-powered language
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00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont love the design, but its not impossible to appreciate
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; more to the point though
00:23 mixling; never used it before
00:23 MinceR; well, at least enlightenment manages to look interesting on screenshots
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; ive never encountered any really obnoxious fans or developers
00:23 MinceR; even if i find it pointless to use
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; which i cant ever say about gnome or kde
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; so i guess it gets points for that
00:23 MinceR; and it's probably not as slow as windows
00:24 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Oh, also, regarding Princess Unicorn: https://youtu.be/CZTY69xwnEg :)
00:24 TR Bot; https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=CZTY69xwnEg
00:24 TR Bot; not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=CZTY69xwnEg )
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; Oh, also, regarding Princess Unicorn <- a string of words i never expected to ever encounter, let alone from you
00:24 mixling; i stumbled upon lua twice recently: with vis-editor today, and oasis linux utilizes it
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; princess unicorn brings everyone together
00:25 mixling; lua seems it is closer to embedded use with efficiency in mind
00:25 starstreak; if I was switching from gnome it would probably be to KDE because I like okular, dolphin and konversation
00:25 starstreak; i already use k3b to burn blue ray data disks
00:25 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Until she gets neutralised with a tennis ball that is.
00:25 mixling; and, it's probably easy to bootstrap, in comparison to python which i couldn't bootstrap with tcc-toolchain
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; /me wants to watch every season of mlp:fim (which ive never done before)
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00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; entirely redone with male scottish accents
00:26 XRevan86; Laughed out loud
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; deeearrr preencess sahleastya...
00:27 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, my little pony?
00:27 mixling; with perl bootstrapping/compilation, besides the version rollback to v5.8, too it is impossible/difficult to cross-compile
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; today i larned
00:27 mixling; lua probably is easier to cope with in this regard too
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; starstreak: leftovers from the marriage
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; but good fun
00:28 XRevan86; starstreak: Memory-level parallelism
00:28 MinceR; the Seven Mounting Heavens of Celestia?
00:28 mixling; key to removing Perl is, in any case, full removal of the entire GNU-buildsystem and anything which depends on it
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; /me thinks "seven mounting heavens" sounds more like mlp slashfic/furry fantasy
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; but only because i dont know what it is
00:29 mixling; and i must verify linux kernel build doesn't require it, Perl
00:29 MinceR; it's D&D
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; well now its going in strange new directions
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; but then so is d&d
00:29 MinceR; https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Celestia
00:29 TR Bot; Celestia - 1d4chan
00:29 MinceR; (i prefer Arvandor and Ysgard though)
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00:30 mixling; and lua got some regular expression type pattern match and string processing too, seems different to what i learned with perl
00:31 mixling; regular expressions, pattern matching, that's something vis-editor focused on
00:31 mixling; however, vis does it with lua, not perl style regex
00:31 mixling; i have to keep this in mind
00:32 mixling; because, regular expression are an important use-case
00:33 mixling; libprcre/2 seem cluttered with GNU-buildsystem, hence this wasn't available
00:33 XRevan86; MinceR: Still closer connected to reality than whatever aggi's up to %).
00:33 MinceR; s/Arvandor/Arborea/
00:33 mixling; just as said, lua does it differently, and vis-editor relies on lua LPeg
00:33 MinceR; whatever, Arvandor is a layer of Arborea :>
00:33 mixling; seems another bingo, to think about
00:34 highest_cubist_thrills; the difference is basically Arbotreary
00:34 *mixling feels the force of research unix
00:34 mixling; and lua, isn't "made in usa" either, it's from Brazil
00:35 mixling; with in interesting history... "From 1977 until 1992, Brazil had a policy of strong trade barriers"
00:35 mixling; an
00:37 immibis; lua doesn't have regex, it's just a simple char-by-char parser written in a short format
00:37 immibis; well, regex is also that
00:39 mixling; http://www.inf.puc-rio.br/~roberto/lpeg/
00:39 TR Bot; LPeg - Parsing Expression Grammars For Lua
00:45 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: https://youtu.be/RwK5lhufdNI I'm obligated to share this with you as well.
00:45 TR Bot; https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=RwK5lhufdNI
00:46 TR Bot; invidious.snopyta.org | A Moment of Peace - Invidious
00:48 mixling; another intersting project i stumbled upon, which prefers lua: Oasis Linux
00:49 mixling; they implement their build system with lua; ok, and i noticed some other intersections with Oasis Linux
00:49 mixling; because, i must remove gentoo, and oasis already maintains a software tree, with some package manager
00:49 XRevan86; > A major goal of oasis is to build with cproc
00:49 mixling; this would save me alot of work, if i forked and built upon what Oasis got already
00:50 mixling; XRevan86: cproc, sadly, doesn't contain some other utilities which tcc got
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00:50 mixling; and verifying the c-only profile with tcc, will benefit any other sane c-compiler/toolchain too
00:51 mixling; yes, that's another interesction, an alternative compiler/toolchain
00:51 mixling; oasis already integrated bearssl, very nice, because this is the ssl library i would prefer
00:51 mixling; libressl/openssl too depend on GNU-buildsystem clutter
00:52 mixling; another problem solved
00:54 mixling; Oasis Linux still ships python (now MICROS~1), i won't, simply because python doesn't bootstrap with tcc-toolchain
00:55 starstreak; mixling, python is microsoft?
00:55 mixling; starstreak: the developer moved there
00:56 mixling; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_Rossum
00:56 TR Bot; Guido van Rossum - Wikipedia
00:56 mixling; Employer Microsoft
00:56 mixling; howver, it is _technical_ reasons i want to remove Python
00:56 mixling; and it is _technical_ reasons i want to remove GNU-toolchain and GNU-buildsystem
00:57 XRevan86; Guido van Rossum is no longer the BDFL of Python.
00:58 XRevan86; https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html
00:58 TR Bot; [python-committers] Transfer of power
00:58 mixling; Gentoo developer Robbins too went to Microsoft
00:58 XRevan86; And similiarly Gentoo was not affected by that.
00:59 XRevan86; However, Python does have a relationship with Microsoft.
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 142.95 average k/sec., average swarm size 151.25
00:59 MinceR; MICROS~1 is trying to make every new language their own
01:00 MinceR; they can't take over old, standardized languages with many implementations (especially with several free ones)
01:00 MinceR; MICROS~1 is a cancer that tries to take over everything in the universe, starting with IT
01:01 mixling; i don't care, MICROS~1 hasn't got anything of interest to offer since they introduced win311 and GNOME
01:02 mixling; sorry, can't refrain
01:02 mixling; after decades of pain inflicted by them
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01:04 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/18/police-say-man-was-killed-after-confronting-loud-group-on-fort-sheridan-beach-near-lake-forest/
01:04 TR Bot; Police say man was killed after confronting loud group on Fort Sheridan Beach near Lake Forest
01:04 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/17/23-year-old-dies-after-being-shot-by-gunman-in-another-vehicle-near-college-of-lake-county-in-grayslake/
01:04 TR Bot; 23-year-old dies after being shot by gunman in another vehicle near College of Lake County in Grayslake
01:04 DaemonFC; They're not allowed to do placement tests for "college" anymore.
01:05 DaemonFC; So they shouldn't be surprised when anyone can get a student loan and nobody has to take an intelligence test, and then they bring the shootings with them.
01:09 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ0Ob4PlCDU
01:09 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=SJ0Ob4PlCDU
01:09 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=SJ0Ob4PlCDU )
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01:34 starstreak; RONNIE STAHP!
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01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; <XRevan86> However, Python does have a relationship with Microsoft. <- yeah, cpython is microsoft
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; cpython does not support python 2
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; cpython is a pile of shit
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; there is only microsof python and pypy
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont hold any hope for cpython
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; first google made it stupid
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; then microsoft made it poisin
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; so its stupid poison
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; will i touch python 3? absolutely
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; i avoid it
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; someone makes a new project that uses python 3?
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; i probably wont use it
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; old project i can make work in python 2? then maybe
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; but python 2 isnt supported!
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; LIES!
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; cpython 2 isnt supported
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; fuck cpython though
01:40 highest_cubist_thrills; do i use anything python 3? oh yes
01:40 highest_cubist_thrills; very sparingly
01:40 highest_cubist_thrills; i really prefer not to touch it
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft controls the DIRECTION Of python 3, not just the hosting
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; so microsoft takes over programming
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; then the fsf says
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; if you have the source code...
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; fuck the fsf, microsoft has the source code
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; and they control the languages
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; and the fsf sits with the thumbs in their arses
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; and oliva says but but but but but people have local copies
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; motherfucker, how does that matter
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; no one uses them
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; most people wont see them
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; and microsoft controls the languages themselves
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; so it doesnt matter if you have the source code
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; you dont control the fucking compilers
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm controlls gcc
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; the whole thing is a fucking lie
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; now, openbsd doesnt solve all this
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; openbsd just happens to be somewhat in opposition to this
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; if you fuck with something they need, do they let you?
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; nope
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; if you fuck with something they need, the MIRROR AND FORK IT
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; if you fuck too much with X
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; they mirror and fork it
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; if they want to make real changes to gnu less (github)
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; they mirror and fork it
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; and the fsf sits with their thumbs in their arses
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; and oliva says BUT LOCAL COPIES!
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; fuck your local copies
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; who can use your local copies?
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; thats like saying if theres a population crisis (opposite of this one) because no ones breeding
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; and oliva says but but but masturbation
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt work that way, man
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; freedom 3-- the freedom to have local copies
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; fuck you, oliva
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; if you arent distributing its not a solution!
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; /me is so tired of cheap ibm doublespeak from that fuck
01:47 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont even care about oliva
01:47 highest_cubist_thrills; i care about the fact that everyone is full of shit
01:47 highest_cubist_thrills; and that oliva has no answers, but still pretends
01:47 highest_cubist_thrills; that much i care about
01:47 highest_cubist_thrills; local copies
01:47 highest_cubist_thrills; stick them up your arse
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; openbsd cant solve everything
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; but at least they show how you fix it
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; MIRROR AND FORK
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; most things are "too big to fork"
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; okay, so if theyre not forkable
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; that means corporations control them
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; you cant
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; too big to fork
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; no freedom 3 then.
01:49 starstreak; you have a different definition of "forkable"
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; no freedom 3, sooner or later the other freedoms erode
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> you have a different definition of "forkable" <- you can move mountains
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; they come with a license that says you can move them.
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; therefore theyre moveable.
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; go ahead.
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; i have a definition of forkable based on reality
01:49 starstreak; gnome 2 got forked
01:50 starstreak; you just need a team of people who care
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome 2 is debateably forkable.
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; you just need a team of people who care <- aha! correct
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; and if you dont have that,,,
01:50 starstreak; mate desktop
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; im a fan of mate
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; too bad its on github
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; but
01:50 starstreak; lol
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; no, really
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; first, i liked mate when it was new.
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; second, i was pissed that debian fucked mate over
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; thats was dirty
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; years ago
01:51 starstreak; how did debian fuck mate over?
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; third, i think the idea of mate is great!
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome 3 is shit
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; so the idea of mate is this
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; people are unhappy that gnome abandoned them
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome devs arent slaves (theyre corporate fuckboys... and fuckgirls)
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; so they dont have to maintain a good version of gnome
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; thats what mate is for
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; i LOVE This idea
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; same with trinity
01:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i LOVE this idea
01:52 starstreak; when gnome 3 first came out, it was horrible and I switched back to KDE 4.x
01:52 CrystalMath; highest_cubist_thrills: it's called software freedom :)
01:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i tried kde 4
01:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i wanted to LIKE kde 4
01:52 highest_cubist_thrills; kde 4 looked amazing
01:52 CrystalMath; and the free market of ideas
01:52 highest_cubist_thrills; unfortunate, since kde 3.5 ended, kde devs are a bunch of cunts
01:52 highest_cubist_thrills; then they also joined the coup
01:52 highest_cubist_thrills; kde isnt forkable either
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; but the reason i abandoned kde completely was gnew
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont consider it free software even
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; free software gives you 4 freedoms
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; imo those 4 freedoms require a 5th
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; but unless kde is forkable
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; which it was
01:53 MinceR; gnome 2 wasn't worth forking, it was already trash
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; kde 3.5 was the last free version of kde imo
01:53 MinceR; and that's mate's problem
01:53 CrystalMath; yeah, have you tried gnome 1?
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> gnome 2 wasn't worth forking, it was already trash <- as an opinion thats valid
01:53 CrystalMath; was much better!
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; when i switched my wife to free software
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome 2 was extremely helpful
01:54 CrystalMath; there are elements of gnome 1 i simply copied
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; back then, i gave people gnome 2 if they wanted WINDOWS
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; if they wanted something lighter, i usually gave people lxde
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; if they wanted a compromise i gave xfce
01:54 MinceR; well, windows embodies "modern"ity and gnome2 was already aspiring to it (by copying macos)
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; its nicely in between
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; its a moot point since the odds of mate surviving are small
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; but it will only survive if they can pull off a miracle
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; and if they can pull it off, thats worth considering when handing out respect
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; though its still github, so...
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; thats fixable too
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; but local copies arent progress
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre a backup plan
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; while everything erodes
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; can mate actually be maintained while gnome goes to hell and takes distros with them
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; is mate just going to becomes another vector for systemd eventually
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know
01:56 starstreak; XD
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; this is the problem with the linux kernel
01:56 mixling; if GNU-toolchain and buildsystem go to hell, then what?
01:56 starstreak; gnome 43 *almost* made me switch to KDE
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; no really, the linux kernel
01:57 highest_cubist_thrills; only counterpoint i know to that is alpine and im not sure of that
01:57 mixling; it's all nice philosophy what you say though
01:57 highest_cubist_thrills; alpine is probably the least stupid distro left
01:57 highest_cubist_thrills; im not saying that to butter up ariadne
01:58 highest_cubist_thrills; im saying it because a lot of stuff i say about gnu/linux, alpine TRIES to prove wrong
01:58 mixling; depends how much you're willing or capable to compromise
01:58 highest_cubist_thrills; will it succeed?
01:58 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know. but its probably the least stupid distro left
01:58 highest_cubist_thrills; have i ever used it? no. do i want to? no
01:58 highest_cubist_thrills; but i care about free software and i consider it relevant to all of this
01:58 highest_cubist_thrills; as a potential counterpoint
01:58 highest_cubist_thrills; we will see
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 149.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 135.03
01:59 highest_cubist_thrills; in the long run i doubt it can solve all this
01:59 highest_cubist_thrills; i have ZERO faith in devuan
01:59 highest_cubist_thrills; if you think devuan is a good idea, just use alpine
01:59 highest_cubist_thrills; it has actual developers
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; devuan has wannabe maintainers
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; devuan devs are to debian maintainers what gospel music is to the music industry
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; people who couldnt cut it making the real thing who think theyre better because they have the truth-- yet they dont know what theyre talking about anyway
02:01 mixling; i would give motif widget a try, if at all, at most, certainly not any version of GTK nor QT
02:01 mixling; they're breaking their APIs every few days
02:01 highest_cubist_thrills; they dont even have truth, theyre just ridiculous
02:01 highest_cubist_thrills; it isnt lost on me that the music industry mostly turns out crap-- metaphor still works
02:02 mixling; no c++, not a single line of it anywhere, another hint, to draw a demarcation line
02:02 mixling; OpenBSD, puff, with llvm, gone it is
02:02 highest_cubist_thrills; everything is a hostage or a cult
02:03 highest_cubist_thrills; devuans a cult, debians a hostage, users are hostages
02:03 highest_cubist_thrills; (debian is a cult too)
02:03 mixling; i mean, it's OK, OpenBSD, if and only if a no-c++ system remained somewhere
02:03 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3jInEVNJt8
02:03 TR Bot; https://y.com.sb/watch?v=l3jInEVNJt8
02:04 TR Bot; y.com.sb | Memento Mori II (Doom II) - Original Soundtrack by Mark Klem and David Shaw - Invidious
02:04 mixling; and all common systems, simply cannot roll-back and re-align, without loosing almost their entire user base and developers
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; mincer is a geek archetype
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; archetype
02:05 mixling; very simple rule of thumb, no-c++ anywhere as either run-time nor build-time dependency, and see how far you'll get
02:05 highest_cubist_thrills; /me never read the book, and jung was long dead
02:05 highest_cubist_thrills; /me draws alicorn carl jung
02:05 mixling; it's very easy to add it, c++, that's not the argument, gcc can be bootstrapped with tcc-toolchain, just fine
02:06 highest_cubist_thrills; his horn can pierce through mysteries of human interaction
02:06 mixling; however, just show me one single "distro", which was capable to remove c++
02:06 highest_cubist_thrills; mate is really a trial to see if gnome 2 is actually forkable
02:06 highest_cubist_thrills; i still think thats a good idea. at least they try
02:07 highest_cubist_thrills; noble cause. terrible location.
02:07 MinceR; forking gnome 1 would have more sense
02:07 highest_cubist_thrills; id rather a fork of gnome 1
02:07 highest_cubist_thrills; though tbh i think if you dont need gnome 2 you dont need the other one either
02:07 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome 1 was FAST
02:07 mixling; GTK1 attached to the flawed (my opinion) unicode implementation already
02:08 highest_cubist_thrills; mate is probably pretty nice on most machines though
02:08 mixling; motif widgets, didn't i think
02:08 highest_cubist_thrills; like when everybody is running something 3x as slow
02:08 highest_cubist_thrills; saying mate is slow is sort of technically true, and yet
02:08 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, freebsd with mate used about 384mb ram
02:08 highest_cubist_thrills; fair point!
02:08 highest_cubist_thrills; that works
02:09 highest_cubist_thrills; i got debian 7 running with fluxbox on a pentium 3, i think
02:09 highest_cubist_thrills; wouldnt happen without swap
02:09 highest_cubist_thrills; wasnt real nice to use
02:10 mixling; an X11 typically launches with ~96MiB nowadays, the rest 300MiB, thats 300MiB for Desktop only with mate2
02:10 highest_cubist_thrills; but that might be a ridiculous standard to judge mate by
02:10 highest_cubist_thrills; judging it by its performance on a pi 2 might not be
02:10 highest_cubist_thrills; but im pretty sure a pi has 384mb ram
02:11 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, arch + gnome uses about 2gb ram
02:11 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome is an abomination
02:11 highest_cubist_thrills; the developers should be kicked off the planet
02:11 starstreak; lol
02:11 highest_cubist_thrills; "good luck, bye"
02:11 starstreak; i have 16GB of ram
02:11 highest_cubist_thrills; i certainly dont
02:11 MinceR; my pi1b has 512MB RAM
02:12 highest_cubist_thrills; live and let live was fine, before gnome decided to help destroy everything in the history of free software
02:13 starstreak; :/
02:13 highest_cubist_thrills; back then you could just say "gnome is kind of bloated, i recommend something better"
02:13 highest_cubist_thrills; and that was all you had to say
02:13 mixling; the total LoC with GNOME and all dependencies, what is it? add to this several dozens of millions of LoC for kernel and GNU-toolchain
02:13 highest_cubist_thrills; now you have to hope they die soon and painfully
02:13 highest_cubist_thrills; well you dont HAVE to
02:13 highest_cubist_thrills; thats what war does...
02:13 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe they shouldnt have declared it
02:14 highest_cubist_thrills; im sorry putin, now you have to fucking die
02:14 highest_cubist_thrills; its nothing personal, youre just a war criminal
02:15 mixling; problem with motif widgets, those won't attract any user base nor developers anymore
02:15 mixling; GNOME is much better than this
02:15 highest_cubist_thrills; its funny because
02:15 highest_cubist_thrills; after these people turn everything into a war
02:15 highest_cubist_thrills; over pure bullshit and posturing
02:15 highest_cubist_thrills; and you start playing their game
02:16 MinceR; afaik application developers pretty much abandoned motif back when it was proprietary
02:16 highest_cubist_thrills; NOW suddenly it matters that we be forgiving and PROPORTIONAL
02:16 highest_cubist_thrills; was any of what happened over the past few years forgiving or proportional?
02:16 highest_cubist_thrills; no, it was all out war and total destruction
02:16 highest_cubist_thrills; systematic takeover and sabotage
02:16 highest_cubist_thrills; but its only ok when they do it
02:17 highest_cubist_thrills; if we stand up to that shit, suddenly its uncivilised
02:17 highest_cubist_thrills; i think the only reason for that is they already made people tired of fighting
02:17 highest_cubist_thrills; so now people just want to wave a white flag
02:17 highest_cubist_thrills; nope
02:17 highest_cubist_thrills; time for another nuremburg trial
02:17 highest_cubist_thrills; its no good until ibm finally fucking swings
02:17 highest_cubist_thrills; they did it
02:18 highest_cubist_thrills; we let them go
02:18 highest_cubist_thrills; its time to settle it
02:18 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm should not fucking exist
02:19 highest_cubist_thrills; the whole legacy needs to die like half the third reich did
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02:20 mixling; another idea, since GNOME is opensource and free software, have fun compiling all this on a raspi2
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; they fucking started it
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; they can be the end of it
02:20 mixling; it's no fun on a raspi3 or raspi4 either, to do this, with "free software"
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; by being fucking ended
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; then if you want to punch some turd from the intellectual dark web and say youre fighting "nazis" sure
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; go ahead
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; but as long as ibm stands its a joke
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; after ibm, microsoft needs to die
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; the whole goddamned thing
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; projects on github can perish
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; save them while you can
02:22 highest_cubist_thrills; "local copies"
02:22 highest_cubist_thrills; :P
02:22 highest_cubist_thrills; better than nothing, not that you can tell
02:22 highest_cubist_thrills; heres what people dont fucking understand
02:22 highest_cubist_thrills; until this happens, free software doesnt exist
02:22 highest_cubist_thrills; its just sitting in a sort of purgatory
02:23 highest_cubist_thrills; while the fsf sits with their thumbs in their arse
02:23 highest_cubist_thrills; handing out c docs and replacing everyone in lieplanet with a glorified hall monitor like agent fucking smith
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02:24 highest_cubist_thrills; /me watches bradley kuhn stick his finger on someones forehead and turn them into another copy of penfold from dangermouse
02:24 highest_cubist_thrills; these people wont fix shit
02:24 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre doing little mroe than laundering tax-free donations
02:24 highest_cubist_thrills; what a fucking fraud
02:25 mixling; i don't think so
02:25 highest_cubist_thrills; "we fight for your freedom"
02:25 highest_cubist_thrills; what is your freedom? your freedom is bending over and working for microsoft for free
02:25 highest_cubist_thrills; we fight for your exploitation!
02:25 highest_cubist_thrills; oh thanks, can i donate?
02:25 mixling; that's true however
02:26 highest_cubist_thrills; sure! help us bend you over and make you work for microsoft for free
02:26 highest_cubist_thrills; join us today!
02:26 highest_cubist_thrills; we cant say anything that offend our masters
02:26 highest_cubist_thrills; your masters
02:26 highest_cubist_thrills; join us now and enslave the developers
02:27 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft has lots of money, that is true, hackers that is true
02:27 highest_cubist_thrills; but theyll save money if we do all their work for them
02:27 highest_cubist_thrills; roy will say theyre hurting financially
02:27 highest_cubist_thrills; that is true, hackers, that is true
02:27 highest_cubist_thrills; but everyone happily does their bidding anyway
02:28 highest_cubist_thrills; the beat doesnt even matter, they can hire someone to fix it for free
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02:28 highest_cubist_thrills; have a free account! youre all working for us anyway
02:29 highest_cubist_thrills; even gnu works for us!
02:29 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm can sell gcc to microsoft
02:29 highest_cubist_thrills; thatll be fun
02:30 highest_cubist_thrills; LOCAL COPIES, OLIVA!
02:30 highest_cubist_thrills; /me throws confetti
02:30 highest_cubist_thrills; i realise that anyone talking about local copies is only talking about a first step
02:31 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont get that though. if more steps are needed, why not mention that something has to be done with those copies?
02:31 highest_cubist_thrills; why are we always talking about fixing 10% of the prob-- oh
02:31 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah, thats why i call bullshit
02:31 highest_cubist_thrills; no one wants more than 10% of the problem fixed
02:32 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean 10% is progress
02:32 highest_cubist_thrills; while the coup dumps another 20% into the abyss
02:32 highest_cubist_thrills; americans understand this, its called the 2-party system
02:32 highest_cubist_thrills; github are the republicans
02:32 highest_cubist_thrills; fsf are the democrats
02:32 highest_cubist_thrills; both work for the corporations
02:32 highest_cubist_thrills; but the democrats are GOOD!
02:33 highest_cubist_thrills; useless, but GOOD!
02:33 mixling; good? how?
02:33 highest_cubist_thrills; i know there are analogues in other parts of the world
02:33 highest_cubist_thrills; america may have perfected a useless fake left party
02:33 highest_cubist_thrills; but they dont hold a monopoly on the idea
02:34 mixling; highest_cubist_thrills: how are those (US) "democrats" any good?
02:34 highest_cubist_thrills; github are the republicans <- fsf are the democrats <- gnu is bi-partisan
02:34 highest_cubist_thrills; its both fsf, AND github
02:35 mixling; doesn't make any sense
02:35 mixling; i tell you this: USA are evil
02:36 highest_cubist_thrills; roy: wings are a distraction
02:36 highest_cubist_thrills; yes, from the fact that the entire thing is bullshit
02:36 highest_cubist_thrills; sfc is the green party :) but its specifically the people invading the green party on behalf of the fake left
02:38 mixling; GAFAM, IBM Wintel ... all of them, USA
02:39 MinceR; aggi worships orcs because they have no technology
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02:40 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
02:40 mixling; i think vis-editor, that's from Switzerland, lua Brazil, tcc-toolchain France
02:40 mixling; notice something?
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02:40 highest_cubist_thrills; when youre staring into the abyss, and mincer says something cynical, its typically funny as hell
02:41 highest_cubist_thrills; set and setting
02:41 mixling; it's not that challenging anymore, to be better than what USA does.
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02:42 highest_cubist_thrills; i had a nice day
02:42 highest_cubist_thrills; every favourite person in my world, i saw them all at once
02:42 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, usually ill see them days apart from each other
02:42 MinceR; for states, it is indeed that challenging
02:42 MinceR; because states suck hard
02:42 highest_cubist_thrills; but today, somehow i mananged to bump into every single one
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02:43 highest_cubist_thrills; im not even in a bad mood
02:43 MinceR; states exemplify most if not all of the ways in which humanity sucks
02:43 highest_cubist_thrills; i just hate that people have destroyed free software, and the fsf pretends to give a shit
02:43 MinceR; they're led by sociopaths, they're authoritarian, they're entangled with evil corporations and cults
02:43 highest_cubist_thrills; they're led by sociopaths, they're authoritarian, they're entangled with evil corporations and cults <- all of this
02:43 highest_cubist_thrills; every word of it
02:44 mixling; FSF=USA, SFC=USA... why would i give a shit about them?
02:44 highest_cubist_thrills; and when youve spent more than a decade trying to give the world free software
02:44 highest_cubist_thrills; and this is what these people do to it
02:44 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre declaring war
02:44 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf doesnt fight for anything
02:44 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre a fraud
02:45 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre stalin during the nazi invasion of russia
02:45 highest_cubist_thrills; DONT ATTACK THEM, THEY MIGHT FEEL PROVOKED!
02:45 highest_cubist_thrills; but theyre killing us!
02:45 highest_cubist_thrills; only a little bit!
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02:45 highest_cubist_thrills; if you ignore them maybe theyll go away!
02:46 highest_cubist_thrills; this isnt an endorsement of nazis, im saying we should destroy them
02:46 highest_cubist_thrills; however, no one wants to fight
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; vichy free software (im not the only one to use this phrase, and its years old now)
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; (just to give an idea of how long this shit has been going on)
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; heil lennart
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; heil ibm
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; /me tapes mike godwins mouth
02:48 mixling; IBM=USA .. for the record
02:48 highest_cubist_thrills; /me draws a toothbrush moustache on him
02:48 mixling; make no mistake, where this came from
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd: githu
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; lennart: goes to work for microsoft
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; python: github
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; guido: goes to work for microsoft
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; php: github
02:49 mixling; microsoft=USA
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; perl: github
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; c++ (boost libs, do they matter?): github
02:49 MinceR; https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-godwin-godwins-law-20180624-story.html
02:49 TR Bot; Do we need to update Godwin's Law about the probability of comparison to Nazis? - Los Angeles Times
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; idk how important boost is
02:50 highest_cubist_thrills; saying it doesnt apply to actual nazis is a copout
02:50 highest_cubist_thrills; the whole thing was fucking stupid
02:50 MinceR; humans in general are fucking stupid
02:50 highest_cubist_thrills; mike godwin is the worlds most useless philosopher-- after herr doktor
02:50 MinceR; and most of the things humans say are fucking stupid
02:50 MinceR; so what's surprising about it?
02:50 highest_cubist_thrills; nothing when youre cynical, man
02:51 highest_cubist_thrills; thats why people are cynical, they get tired of feeling surprised
02:51 highest_cubist_thrills; so they just go "i told you so"
02:51 MinceR; or they stop being surprised
02:51 highest_cubist_thrills; yep
02:51 highest_cubist_thrills; well you cant blame them if theyre right, right?
02:51 MinceR; first we're exposed to humans' propaganda about themselves
02:51 MinceR; and then we learn what humans really are like
02:52 highest_cubist_thrills; javascript (npm): github
02:52 highest_cubist_thrills; mozilla / rust: both github
02:52 highest_cubist_thrills; chrome: idk, who cares
02:52 mixling; i don't
02:52 highest_cubist_thrills; /ium
02:53 highest_cubist_thrills; mozilla and rust mentioned as you need something that runs javascript for it to work
02:53 highest_cubist_thrills; and it was originally created for browsers
02:53 highest_cubist_thrills; specifically the one that eventually became mozilla
02:54 highest_cubist_thrills; awk is free :)
02:54 highest_cubist_thrills; steel bank common lisp is free
02:54 MinceR; chromium is at googlesource
02:55 highest_cubist_thrills; idk about lisp libraries, quite a few are hostages on github
02:55 highest_cubist_thrills; chromium is at googlesource <- not great but hey, not github
02:55 MinceR; at least they didn't capitulate entirely to MICROS~1
02:55 highest_cubist_thrills; right
02:55 highest_cubist_thrills; github.com/google still exists
02:55 highest_cubist_thrills; but maybe they just like holding it
02:55 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure theres something useful there
02:55 MinceR; could be a mirror
02:55 highest_cubist_thrills; like one of the libs that goes into gnu wget :)
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; could be a mirror <- i never count it as a mirror if there are pull requests
02:56 mixling; toybox isn't on github
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; i know you cant turn them off
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; you can say "please dont use them" and close them though
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; so when they dont say that, and there are loads of pull requests, its not a mirror (imo)
02:56 MinceR; how do you prevent people from mirroring your repo on a site that allows pull requests and doesn't allow turning them off?
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; you cant prevent people from mirroring your repo if the license is free.
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; of course i account for that
02:57 MinceR; they could even allow turning them off, they're managed by whoever's running the mirror
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; im told its not possible to turn off
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; if it is, thats just one more layer of bullshit
02:57 MinceR; also, a fork of your project could exist on shithub and take pull requests
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; i account for forks
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; but if your project is inactive and the "fork" is on github
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; guess what
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; the project is github-based
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; we can find 100 ways to say that a project hasnt moved to github
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; but if it has, then it counts.
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; i account for instances of projects not being github-based
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; for example, openbsd is definitely not github based
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; its a true mirror, for people who wonder what a true mirror looks like
02:58 mixling; they're still using CVS, lol
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe someday every project will be taken over by github
02:59 highest_cubist_thrills; then our only metric will be
02:59 highest_cubist_thrills; who held out the most, the longest
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 167.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 136.18
02:59 highest_cubist_thrills; bvut according to roy microsoft wont exist by then, because layoffs nyan
02:59 mixling; "take-over" implies github is an exclusive transfer, that's not how git works
02:59 MinceR; by your metric, all someone needs to do to make you not want to use openbsd is mirror it on shithub and add 2 pull requests
03:00 highest_cubist_thrills; i literally just addressed that one moment ago
03:00 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe someday every project will be taken over by github
03:00 highest_cubist_thrills; then our only metric will be
03:00 highest_cubist_thrills; who held out the most, the longest
03:00 MinceR; i doubt it
03:00 highest_cubist_thrills; if you can come up with better metrics than mine for determining github takeover
03:00 MinceR; i have a few bits of code on codeberg and i'm not going to move them to shithub
03:00 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont own the idea
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; i have a few bits of code on codeberg and i'm not going to move them to shithub <- and openbsd is based on cvs
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; and they like cvs
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; and people are like-- could you please blow bill gates
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; and theo is like-- we dont do that
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; and roy is like aha! but they took money!
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; mmhmm
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; show me where they compromised.
03:02 mixling; *BSD? with llvm.
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; now hold other projects up to the same standard you hold openbsd to.
03:02 MinceR; maybe with a hot air blower
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe with a cannon
03:02 MinceR; or hot air gun
03:02 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 137640 total Total number of pages in capsule: 42643 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 1 months 15 days ago
03:02 MinceR; do cannons blow?
03:02 MinceR; oh, they do
03:02 MinceR; maybe with C4
03:02 mixling; using llvm as compile, as far as i am concerned, they could move to rust-lang.
03:02 mixling; r
03:02 MinceR; i'd blow gAIDS... up.
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; look up "blown from a gun" on wikipedia
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; it was an execution method
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; pretty barbaric
03:03 MinceR; :)
03:03 MinceR; barbaric is a good fit for humans, and especially for gAIDS
03:03 highest_cubist_thrills; and explode into space...
03:03 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 44 GB TotalOut: 12 GB
03:04 mixling; it's ironic, BillG required 40years(!) to release his basic-interpreter, on github, 2020
03:04 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YqeW9_5kURI
03:04 TR Bot; Major Lazer & DJ Snake - Lean On (feat. M) (Official Music Video) - Invidious
03:04 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:04 mixling; by that measrure, BillG himself resisted longest already
03:05 MinceR; lol
03:05 highest_cubist_thrills; :>
03:06 highest_cubist_thrills; shes ridiculous but the guys are awesome
03:06 highest_cubist_thrills; dj snake, major lazer
03:07 highest_cubist_thrills; they can wear a kurta like they were born in it
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03:08 highest_cubist_thrills; actually i think only one of them is wearing a kurta
03:12 highest_cubist_thrills; sad
03:12 highest_cubist_thrills; M - LEAN ON - The 2015 Nobel Peace Prize Concert
03:12 highest_cubist_thrills; "nobel peace prize"
03:12 highest_cubist_thrills; "name a prize thats more of a farce than than free software award"
03:13 highest_cubist_thrills; we should call it the nobel peace software award
03:13 highest_cubist_thrills; 2023 nobel peace software award goes to
03:13 highest_cubist_thrills; nat friedman
03:15 highest_cubist_thrills; (posthumous) thomas watson for his incredible work on the german sorting machines
03:15 highest_cubist_thrills; and herr doktor, for contributions to imaginary alt-right gnu/linux distributions
03:16 highest_cubist_thrills; (winner 2022 award from the sixel foundation)
03:17 mixling; detangling as much as possible of "free software" from Satan (USA), is pride enough to take
03:18 mixling; it is well prepared, and progressed very far already
03:18 highest_cubist_thrills; GE partnered with German manufacturing firm Krupp to help build Hitler's army and used Jewish slave labor to build gas chambers during World War II and the Holocaust. The U.S. Government fined GE for working with the Nazis, but the American company continued to profit off of the War.
03:19 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=H5ZLbwvQ1Ec
03:19 TR Bot; BEAUTIFUL VINTAGE 80'S GE COMMERCIAL WE BRING GOOD THINGS TO LIGHT LIFE - Invidious
03:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
03:20 highest_cubist_thrills; "ge is light-- warm and bright!"
03:20 highest_cubist_thrills; "we bring good things to life!"
03:20 highest_cubist_thrills; we also kill people with gas chambers
03:21 highest_cubist_thrills; we sometimes use jewish slave labour
03:22 highest_cubist_thrills; general electric, i think originally general edison?
03:22 highest_cubist_thrills; edison bffs with ford, who LOOOOOVED hitler
03:23 highest_cubist_thrills; "dont mention the war! i mentioned it a couple times but i think i got away with it"
03:23 highest_cubist_thrills; ge is light! like aryan skin!
03:23 highest_cubist_thrills; we let good people live!
03:24 highest_cubist_thrills; unless theyre political opponents of the fuhrer
03:24 highest_cubist_thrills; hello sir, what is your name
03:24 highest_cubist_thrills; "henry ford"
03:24 highest_cubist_thrills; oh! the car maker. and you are an actual nazi?
03:24 highest_cubist_thrills; "no! i just really like hitler"
03:24 highest_cubist_thrills; oh, well, off you go then!
03:25 highest_cubist_thrills; mike godwin: ACTUAL NAZIS
03:25 highest_cubist_thrills; leave henry ford alone
03:26 highest_cubist_thrills; mike godwin: the worlds most unintentional nazi apologist
03:26 highest_cubist_thrills; (no intention whatsoever)
03:26 MinceR; aryan skin isn't even light
03:26 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the funny part
03:26 highest_cubist_thrills; well, that and we beheaded stallman BEFORE bothering with ibm and ge
03:26 highest_cubist_thrills; ge made computers too yknow
03:27 highest_cubist_thrills; MULTICS
03:27 highest_cubist_thrills; they were involved in timesharing before unix, even before multics
03:27 highest_cubist_thrills; dtss: 1964
03:27 highest_cubist_thrills; that was ge
03:28 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean i dont know if they worked on a single line of code
03:28 highest_cubist_thrills; they provided the hardware
03:29 highest_cubist_thrills; everybody made computers in the 60s
03:29 highest_cubist_thrills; mcdonalds had the McIAC
03:29 highest_cubist_thrills; hershey made the BAR computer with almonds
03:29 highest_cubist_thrills; coca cola had the fanta-matic
03:30 highest_cubist_thrills; which failed to get a contract because of dehomag
03:30 highest_cubist_thrills; fanta-matic was a complete failure
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03:34 TR News; Rockstar Games Hacked, GTA 6 Gameplay Leaked - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XWUl25w1iH8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/XWUl25w1iH8
03:34 TR Bot; Rockstar Games Hacked, GTA 6 Gameplay Leaked - Invidious
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03:35 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ny1J-0q-NAE we dont make gas chambers anymore! so buy our new blender from the store!
03:35 TR Bot; GE Blender Commercial (1950's) - Invidious
03:36 highest_cubist_thrills; all our products are really great, unlike the ones used to exterminate!
03:37 highest_cubist_thrills; with our new blender you cant lose, this one wasnt made by enslaved jews!
03:38 highest_cubist_thrills; i like this because this was only like a decade later
03:38 TR News; "Josh and Kurt talk about the Time Till Open Source Alternative blog post. The numbers probably dont mean what we think they mean anymore. A lot of modern open source is really corporate controlled. Just because something carries an open source license doesnt mean you can contribute to it." https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/09/18/episode-341-time-till-open-source-alternative/
03:38 TR Bot; Episode 341 Time till open source alternative Open Source Security
03:39 highest_cubist_thrills; "should we mention hitler in the jingle?"
03:39 highest_cubist_thrills; "no! no, our market research shows hitler is DEFINITELY yesterdays news! just say the blender is great"
03:40 TR News; AI Image Upscaling Made Easy With Upscayl - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zYw69zWVk9k | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/zYw69zWVk9k
03:40 TR Bot; AI Image Upscaling Made Easy With Upscayl - Invidious
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03:41 TR News; After changing copyright assignment (for IBM et al to control GCC at the communitys expense) Mark J. Wielaard, who repeatedly tried to oust the FSFs founder from the FSF (and GNU), is turning to the SFC, a greedy corporation that censors IBM critics while it also tries to undermine the FSF (Moglen/SFLC already sued the SFC) http://techrights.org/2022/09/18/mark-j-wielaard-and-sourceware/
03:41 TR Bot; Splinter Group SFC (Already Sued by Moglen/SFLC) is Not Really Against Microsoft GitHub, It Helps IBM/Red Hat Outsource GNU to GitHub Using the Same Excuses Microsoft Used When Lobbying for Kernel.org to Move to Proprietary GitHub | Techrights
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03:43 TR News; (NEW): Linux 6.0-rc6 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Linux_6_0_rc6.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Linux_6_0_rc6.gmi
03:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux 6.0-rc6
03:43 TR News; (NEW): Review: Porteus 5.0 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Review_Porteus_5_0.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Review_Porteus_5_0.gmi
03:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Review: Porteus 5.0
03:45 TR News; Geico told me I was a very safe driver and proceeded to raise my six month premium by over $150. | BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/18/geico-told-me-i-was-a-very-safe-driver-and-proceeded-to-raise-my-six-month-premium-by-over-150/ Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
03:45 TR Bot; Geico told me I was a very safe driver and proceeded to raise my six month premium by over $150. | BaronHK's Rants
03:47 highest_cubist_thrills; doctors <3 smoking! https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IFrkSiCvBo0
03:48 TR Bot; 10 Commercials from the 40s - Invidious
03:49 TR News; (NEW): MX-21.2.1 'Wildflower' released! http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/MX_21_2_1_Wildflower_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/MX_21_2_1_Wildflower_released.gmi
03:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines MX-21.2.1 'Wildflower' released!
03:49 TR News; (NEW): Videos and Shows: Upscayl, Open Source Security, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Videos_and_Shows_Upscayl_Open_Source_Security_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Videos_and_Shows_Upscayl_Open_Source_Security_and_More.gmi
03:49 highest_cubist_thrills; you know even if that case can handle falls like that
03:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos and Shows: Upscayl, Open Source Security, and More
03:49 highest_cubist_thrills; i doubt the components liked it
03:50 highest_cubist_thrills; non-breakable solder points!
03:50 highest_cubist_thrills; sure okay
03:50 highest_cubist_thrills; bang it on the counter a few more times
03:50 highest_cubist_thrills; lets see how it works
03:51 highest_cubist_thrills; 6 whiz wrappers
03:52 highest_cubist_thrills; they wouldnt see another whiz rapper until r kelly
03:52 TR News; The fog of war and the small-net search engines gemini://szczezuja.space/gemlog/2022-04-22-The-fog-of-war-and-the-smallnets-search-engines.gmi
03:53 TR News; "Ive noticed quite a few shell scripts recently that claim to be POSIX-compliant despite using mktemp, so I wanted to go over a compliant alternative and a few things you should know about writing POSIX shell (#!/bin/sh) scripts." gemini://dj-chase.com/documents/mktemp-isnt-posix.gmi
03:54 TR News; Billsmugs's Photography: Photos (13) uploaded gemini://gem.billsmugs.com/photos/2022-09-18/
03:54 TR News; "If you're a Doom Emacs user and you try using Elpher for the first time, you might get timeouts whenever you try to visit Gemini URLs, even if visiting Gopher/Finger URLs still works as expected. At least, that's what happened when I first tried." gemini://madeleine.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-09-18-doom-emacs-elpher-gemini-timeouts.gmi
03:55 TR News; Allotment gemini://ur.gs/blog/allotment/
03:56 TR News; "There is no ETA yet. I have local copies of all the list traffic so nothing is likely to have been lost forever." Except 10 months later it's still not back. gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/~solderpunk/gemlog/gemini-mailing-list-down.gmi
03:56 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D358.jpg
03:57 highest_cubist_thrills; 2:35 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=k4IpNvMbUaU
03:57 TR Bot; 15 Most Offensive Vintage Advertisements Ever - Invidious
03:57 highest_cubist_thrills; sega had a commercial with a guy using a joystick in a pretty non-standard way
03:58 highest_cubist_thrills; that said "THE MORE YOU PLAY WITH IT, THE HARDER IT GETS!"
03:58 highest_cubist_thrills; i definitely missed this one
03:58 highest_cubist_thrills; oh theres more text in that one...
03:59 highest_cubist_thrills; i wonder where that ran
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 76.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 149.28
03:59 highest_cubist_thrills; the entire concept was "playing sega is exactly like jerking off"
04:00 highest_cubist_thrills; no mention of being in your parents basement though
04:00 highest_cubist_thrills; then they did again with game gear :)
04:02 highest_cubist_thrills; motorola had a campaign that educated people "HOW TELEVISON BENEFITS YOUR CHILDREN"
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04:03 TR News; "There are a lot of articles and documentation pages explaining how to use Mock but I am hesitant to share them with new Fedora packagers because they make the tool look much scarier than it actually is. Using Mock is easy!" http://frostyx.cz/posts/using-mock-is-easy
04:03 TR Bot; Mock is easy | FrostyX.cz
04:05 TR News; (NEW): Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (37/2022): libadwaita 1.2, Sxmo 1.11.1 and much more http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_37_2022_libadwaita_1_2_Sxmo.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_37_2022_libadwaita_1_2_Sxmo.gmi
04:05 TR Bot; Tux Machines Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (37/2022): libadwaita 1.2, Sxmo 1.11.1 and much more
04:05 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, September 18, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
04:05 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
04:05 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:05 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
04:06 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: tunnelvision benefits your children
04:07 schestowitz[TR]; http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/tunnelvision
04:07 TR Bot; Tunnelvision Columbia, South Carolina - Atlas Obscura
04:08 highest_cubist_thrills; Boy who ran neo-Nazi cell from gran's cottage aged 13 becomes UK's ...
04:08 highest_cubist_thrills; www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/13913264/britains-youngest-terrorist-cornwall-neo-nazi/
04:08 highest_cubist_thrills; A BOY who ran a neo-Nazi cell from his gran's Cornish cottage when he was just 13 has today become the UK's youngest convicted terrorist
04:09 highest_cubist_thrills; https://besacenter.org/ibm-holocaust/
04:09 TR Bot; IBM and the Holocaust
04:10 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
04:10 highest_cubist_thrills; www.foxnews.com/politics/nazis-and-anti-semites-slip-through-gop-primaries-causing-headaches-for-party
04:10 highest_cubist_thrills; 'The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis.' Tim Schneider, chairman of the Illinois GOP. The Illinois GOP missed the deadline last month to allow them to run a ...
04:10 highest_cubist_thrills; no idea what date
04:11 highest_cubist_thrills; EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Twenty years ago last week, IBM and the Holocaust, exposedbacked up by a tower of documentation that IBM knowingly organized all six phases of the Holocaust: identification, exclusion, confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, and even extermination. All of this occurred under the micromanagement of IBMs celebrated CEO, Thomas Watson, Sr.,
04:11 highest_cubist_thrills; IBM knowingly organized all six phases of the Holocaust: identification, exclusion, confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, and even extermination.
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04:12 highest_cubist_thrills; you gotta wonder if they organised all six phases of the coup
04:12 highest_cubist_thrills; roy: failed coup
04:12 TR News; (NEW): AMD Brings Ray Tracing Support In Its Open-Source Vulkan Graphics Drivers For RDNA 2 GPUs In Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/AMD_Brings_Ray_Tracing_Support_In_Its_Open_Source_Vulkan_Graphi.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/AMD_Brings_Ray_Tracing_Support_In_Its_Open_Source_Vulkan_Graphi.gmi
04:12 highest_cubist_thrills; also roy: some guy from red hat trying to tell you how gcc works
04:12 TR Bot; Tux Machines AMD Brings Ray Tracing Support In Its Open-Source Vulkan Graphics Drivers For RDNA 2 GPUs In Linux
04:13 highest_cubist_thrills; treating official docs like legacy info
04:13 TR News; (NEW): Weekly Roundups and Linux Around The World http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Weekly_Roundups_and_Linux_Around_The_World.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Weekly_Roundups_and_Linux_Around_The_World.gmi
04:13 TR Bot; Tux Machines Weekly Roundups and Linux Around The World
04:13 highest_cubist_thrills; heres a quote
04:13 highest_cubist_thrills; "Without IBM, there would still have been a Holocaust killing hundreds of thousands. "
04:13 highest_cubist_thrills; hundreds of thousands...
04:13 highest_cubist_thrills; vs millions
04:14 highest_cubist_thrills; IBM: the information people!
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; ww2 killed tens of millions
04:14 highest_cubist_thrills; Einsatzgruppen murder squads and their militia cohorts would still have murdered East European Jews bullet by bullet in pits, ravines, and isolated clearings in the woods. But it was IBM that helped the Third Reich create the industrial, high-speed, six million-victims Holocaust
04:14 highest_cubist_thrills; metering ghetto residents out to trains, then carefully scheduling the moving of those trains to concentration camps for mass murder and cremation within hours, clearing the way for the next shipment of victims, day and night.
04:14 highest_cubist_thrills; BIG DATA
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; BDM
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; big data machines
04:15 highest_cubist_thrills; Custom IBM programs controlled the census and registration processes, organized the pauperization of the Jews, and ensured that the trains ran on time.
04:15 highest_cubist_thrills; lucky for them the trains didnt run systemd
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; systemd timers
04:15 highest_cubist_thrills; There was an IBM customer sitethe HollerithAbteilungin almost every concentration camp,
04:16 highest_cubist_thrills; IBM even engineered Germanys odious extermination- by-labor campaign, where skills were matched to slave labor needs and Jews were called up to be worked to death.
04:16 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre still really good at overworking their "employees"
04:16 highest_cubist_thrills; IBMs code for a Jewish inmate was 6 and its code for gas chamber was 8.
04:17 highest_cubist_thrills; to IBM, the Holocaust was just another business project.
04:17 highest_cubist_thrills; Watson, a sociopath and narcissist lacking any moral compass, was no stranger to crime in pursuit of his business aims. He had been convicted of extortion in the infamous National Cash Register scandal before he was ever handed the reins of IBM. An evidence technicality allowed his conviction to be overturned and Watson to escape prison time.
04:18 highest_cubist_thrills; How did IBM get involved? When Hitler came to power, he wanted to locate and destroy the Jews of Germany, Europe, and the world. That required the resources of a computer, but in 1933, no such computer existed
04:19 highest_cubist_thrills; The IBM alliance with the Third Reich was no rogue corporate operation run out of a basement. Day in and day out, it was Watson who personally micromanaged all aspects of the 12-year Nazi relationship.
04:19 highest_cubist_thrills; Under Watson, IBM eagerly contacted the Hitler regime and made clear that it was the solutions company.
04:19 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm: the final solutions company
04:19 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd: the final solution to debian
04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
04:20 highest_cubist_thrills; The first thing Hitler wanted to know was exactly how many Jews resided in Germany. IBM hired thousands to execute a door-to-door racial census.
04:20 highest_cubist_thrills; Hitler wanted to know was exactly how many Jews resided in Germany
04:20 highest_cubist_thrills; IBM hired thousands to execute a door-to-door racial census
04:20 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm went DOOR TO DOOR to LOCATE JEWS
04:20 highest_cubist_thrills; thats one i had not heard.
04:21 highest_cubist_thrills; Those trains ran on IBM punch cards, and owed their punctual timetables to special IBM scheduling programs. All the work and prisoner data from all the concentration camps was fed into a central nerve center in the T-Building at Oranienburg known as Section D-II and powered by custom-wired IBM machines.
04:21 highest_cubist_thrills; Everything IBM did was custom, specific, and tailored to the Nazis specific needs.
04:21 highest_cubist_thrills; All IBM machines in Nazi Europe were leased, with monthly payments. They were insured by American and German insurance companies at their Reich locations and serviced by repairmen twice monthly on-site, whether the noisy, syncopating machines were located in downtown Berlin or at Auschwitz
04:22 highest_cubist_thrills; in downtown Berlin <- IBM FSFE
04:22 highest_cubist_thrills; Hollerith machines were incapable of operating without IBMs custom punch cards, and each card could be used only once. Without a continuing card supply from IBM, the machines would have been like rifles without bullets.
04:22 highest_cubist_thrills; reminds me of rust
04:23 highest_cubist_thrills; "compile once and rewrite"
04:23 TR News; No, I won't mow my lawn gemini://lasse.nerdcamp.net/gemlog/20220703.gmi
04:23 highest_cubist_thrills; In the 20 years since IBM and the Holocaust was published, IBM has never asked for a single change to the text nor rebutted a single fact.
04:23 highest_cubist_thrills; Today, fear of what big tech can do to surveil, censor, and control our livesfrom China to Californiahas heightened interest in the book and its revelations. The connection is clear. To get a glimpse into our perilous future, we need only look back at what IBM helped Hitler do during the Holocaust, in the era before computers existed. What could a Hitler-type regime do today
04:24 highest_cubist_thrills; FSF: contribute to ibm gcc!
04:24 highest_cubist_thrills; FSF: a subsidiary of IBM
04:25 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman is the chief sonderkommando of the gnu project
04:26 highest_cubist_thrills; the sonderkommanden were the prisoners who had to sweep the ashes of the dead
04:26 highest_cubist_thrills; not nazis-- prisoners
04:26 highest_cubist_thrills; they also put the sonderkommanden in charge of pulling gold teeth out of corpses
04:26 highest_cubist_thrills; knowing pretty well their fate, being mired in it
04:27 highest_cubist_thrills; thank red hat for all of this
04:27 highest_cubist_thrills; if red hat gave a shit about freedom they would all resign
04:28 highest_cubist_thrills; (and not to go work for microsoft, ANOTHER subsidiary of ibm)
04:28 highest_cubist_thrills; when people leave ibm to work for microsoft, thats like when the catholic church moves a disgraced cardinal to another diocese
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04:29 highest_cubist_thrills; It is also worth asking why a company like IBM chose to participate in genocide. It was never about Nazism; it was never about antisemitism. It was about money. Business is, after all, the companys middle name.
04:30 highest_cubist_thrills; the final $olution
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04:53 TR News; Celebrating monarchy in 2022 is not compatible with any celebrations of democracy in Western 'civilised' societies
04:53 TR News; "Note person here even though the legislation calls it an industry code, application of the code isnt restricted to commercial bodies or those of a certain size the codes, once registered, apply to all people who provide the relevant services" https://www.mnot.net/blog/2022/09/11/esafety-industry-codes
04:53 TR Bot; A Safer, More Centralised Australian Internet
04:54 TR News; My Blog is Hilariously Overengineered to the Point People Think it's a Static Site https://xeiaso.net/talks/how-my-website-works
04:55 TR Bot; My Blog is Hilariously Overengineered to the Point People Think it's a Static Site - Xe
04:55 TR News; "Much has been written about the consequences this reactionary attitude has had on the public accessibility of the scholarship these societies have been publishing. Here, I would like to speculate on perhaps much more pernicious consequences." http://bjoern.brembs.net/2022/09/scholarly-societies-partly-to-blame-for-post-truth-age/
04:55 TR Bot; bjoern.brembs.blog Scholarly societies partly to blame for post-truth age?
04:56 TR News; Who controls your data online? Hint: its not you! https://michaelwest.com.au/who-controls-your-data-online-hint-its-not-you/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/who-controls-your-data-online-hint-its-not-you/
04:56 TR Bot; Who controls your data online? Hint: it's not you!
04:56 TR News; Time for Australia to be the friend the Pacific needs - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/time-for-australia-to-be-the-friend-the-pacific-needs/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/time-for-australia-to-be-the-friend-the-pacific-needs/
04:56 TR Bot; Time for Australia to be the friend the Pacific needs - Michael West
04:58 TR News; Workers share of the national income pie falls to all-time low - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/workers-share-of-the-national-income-pie-falls-to-all-time-low/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/workers-share-of-the-national-income-pie-falls-to-all-time-low/
04:58 TR Bot; Workers share of the national income pie falls to all-time low - Michael West
04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.73 k/sec., IPFS upstream 122.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 140.51
05:14 TR News; (NEW): Arduino and Other Boards http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Arduino_and_Other_Boards.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Arduino_and_Other_Boards.gmi
05:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines Arduino and Other Boards
05:14 TR News; (NEW): Axel Beckert: wApua 0.06.4 released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Axel_Beckert_wApua_0_06_4_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Axel_Beckert_wApua_0_06_4_released.gmi
05:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines Axel Beckert: wApua 0.06.4 released
05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
05:21 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_howtos.gmi
05:21 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
05:22 TR News; 10 Years ago. They say if it lasts the first 10 years, then itll last a lifetime. Hopefully. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/19/anniversary-post-roy-and-rianne/
05:22 TR Bot; Blog Archive 10 Years
05:27 TR News; "It is among the most common of human yearnings: the desire to see oneself as special and distinct from the herd. Individualism, coupled with exceptionalism has long been ingrained in American mythology." https://www.itjungle.com/2022/09/19/as-i-see-it-different-yet-the-same/
05:27 TR Bot; As I See It: Different Yet the Same - IT Jungle
05:27 TR News; "Pandora FMS, an open source log monitoring solution that has been in use for decades, is being integrated with IBM i, the softwares commercial backer announced last week." https://www.itjungle.com/2022/09/19/pandora-fms-log-monitoring-solution-gets-ibm-i-hooks/
05:27 TR Bot; Pandora FMS Log Monitoring Solution Gets IBM i Hooks - IT Jungle
05:35 TR News; (NEW): Corporate Fluff: SUSE and IBM http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Corporate_Fluff_SUSE_and_IBM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Corporate_Fluff_SUSE_and_IBM.gmi
05:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines Corporate Fluff: SUSE and IBM
05:35 TR News; (NEW): Hideo Kojima Trying out the Steam Deck at the TGS 2022, and His New Podcast called Brain Structure http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Hideo_Kojima_Trying_out_the_Steam_Deck_at_the_TGS_2022_and_His_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Hideo_Kojima_Trying_out_the_Steam_Deck_at_the_TGS_2022_and_His_.gmi
05:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines Hideo Kojima Trying out the Steam Deck at the TGS 2022, and His New Podcast called Brain Structure
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 46.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 139.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 125.40
06:03 TR News; A Year After Release Vista 11 Hasnt Even Been Adopted (Nowhere Near Vista 10 Yet) and Microsoft Already Drops Vista 12 Vapourware | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/vista-12-vapourware/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/vista-12-vapourware/
06:03 TR Bot; A Year After Release Vista 11 Hasnt Even Been Adopted (Nowhere Near Vista 10 Yet) and Microsoft Already Drops Vista 12 Vapourware | Techrights
06:11 TR News; Links 19/09/2022: MX Linux 21.2.1 and 4MLinux 41.0 Beta | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/4mlinux-41-0-beta/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/4mlinux-41-0-beta/
06:11 TR Bot; Links 19/09/2022: MX Linux 21.2.1 and 4MLinux 41.0 Beta | Techrights
06:11 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
06:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
06:13 highest_cubist_thrills; [C[C[C[C[D:j #techrights
06:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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06:30 TR News; COVID-19 Positivity Rates Rising Again This Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/19/covid-19-positivity/
06:30 TR Bot; Blog Archive COVID-19 Positivity Rates Rising Again This Month
06:30 TR News; (NEW): 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: September 18th, 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_September_18th_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_September_18th_2022.gmi
06:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: September 18th, 2022
06:34 TR News; Canary in the Photo Mine | LINUX Unplugged 476 https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8828
06:35 TR News; How to tell Web apps and Android apps apart on your [sic] Chromebook https://chromeunboxed.com/differentiate-web-android-apps-chromeos
06:35 TR Bot; How to tell Web Apps and Android apps apart on your Chromebook
06:36 TR News; Its rather revealing that Vista 11 is another Vista 8.x or Windows ME; almost nobody adopts it (not many people buy a new PC in an economic downturn amid rise of mobile devices) but Microsoft already rushes to promise some future version http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/vista-12-vapourware/
06:36 TR News; "They just silently (no advance notice) stopped issuing these reports 2 months ago when there was a COVID-19 surge. As if the goal was to pacify, not protect or inform, the public." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/19/covid-19-positivity/
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06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.73 k/sec., IPFS upstream 51.98 average k/sec., average swarm size 138.51
07:16 TR News; Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/
07:16 TR Bot; Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights
07:18 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: might be of interest ^
07:18 schestowitz[TR]; I thought of another reference there
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; but forgot while typing
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; maybe it'll come back later
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; did not mention OSI
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; among other links
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; but what FSFE did to FSF
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; or OSI did to FSF
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; SFC does to SFLC
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; creating confusion
07:19 schestowitz[TR]; to steal mindshare and goodwill off of GNU etc.
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; as if FSFE made gnu
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; fsfe: you suppot fsf?
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; you are european?
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; then give money to us!!
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; We're even more ethical than fsf
07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; fsf supports rape or somehing --fsfe
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; those parasites aren't in it on their own
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; check who sponsors them
07:20 schestowitz[TR]; i.e. makes them stronger
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; also, see the text from sflc
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; I reproireucued it
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; cc licence
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; they tried for 3 years to settle the trademark issue
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; just like fsf and fsfe
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; and there is no response
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; they just snub the originals
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; the ones who MADE them
07:21 schestowitz[TR]; SFLC made SFC
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; and then SFC went out of its way to attack its own
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; or its origins
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; parastic to say the least
07:22 schestowitz[TR]; y: we are just like x, but we are more ethical, because
07:23 schestowitz[TR]; a) y has more ionories AND/OR
07:23 schestowitz[TR]; *minorities
07:23 schestowitz[TR]; b) y gets more positive media coverage from media owned by its sponsors, e.g. IBM
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; LF is the same, but in relation to other projects. mostyly openwashing. sfc does not do openwashing afaict
07:24 schestowitz[TR]; it just tries to suck out the life... clients... from sflc, fsf...
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; and then sfjc groupies like mjg59_ slander the originals
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; moglen, rms..
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; to boost their own
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; Red Hat etc. (employer)
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; so you know what they stand for
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; later on sfc hired Shrap too
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; they hire from the mob
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; rewarding the online mob
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; same people who attacked Torvalds for the sponsors of LF
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; and they can smell the cash
07:25 schestowitz[TR]; they have a noose for money
07:26 schestowitz[TR]; swimming with the sharks
07:26 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2021/02/08/fosdem-ibm-gag/
07:26 TR Bot; FOSDEM and Free Speech: Will It Blend? | Techrights
07:26 schestowitz[TR]; sfc: don't criticise ibm (or gnome)
07:30 highest_cubist_thrills; http://techrights.org/2019/06/11/changing-the-names/
07:30 TR Bot; Chapter 9: Ownership Through Branding Change the Names, and Change the World | Techrights
07:30 highest_cubist_thrills; and then sfjc groupies like mjg59_ slander the originals <- bait and switch, idealisation and devaluation, scoopy doo maneuver...
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; sfc: don't criticise ibm (or gnome) <- and of course, monopoly
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman doesnt speak for the movement he created, SAYS SFC
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; sfc does
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; kuhn is god!
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; but not really, starstreak : 09/19/22 06:27 <highest_cubist_thrills> but not really,
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; thats much more ecumenical!
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman is nobody, says somebody
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; and lets back it up with these lies...
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; someone defaced his door-- thats his fault!
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; but lets enter mincer mode
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; whats the point of this?
07:31 highest_cubist_thrills; over the past few years, the culture has been transformed
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; truth is passe, even frowned upon
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; lies are effective-- more than anything else
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; image is everything, and freedom is a joke
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; sure, on principle, someone (hopefully) tries to figure it out and tell people
07:32 geert; transforamtion is still ongoing, so lets better try not accept it as static
07:32 highest_cubist_thrills; but do people actually care? ask mincer
07:33 highest_cubist_thrills; im inclined to think they dont, but for some exeptions
07:33 geert; and lies are most often tries to escape from something that is considered ideally tense so to speak
07:33 highest_cubist_thrills; years ago i wrote about this-- it wasnt apathy, even if it appeared to be
07:33 highest_cubist_thrills; im not so sure now
07:33 geert; and mincer mode 'whats the point of all this'
07:33 geert; well e.g. try get mincer educated as an example
07:33 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe i was right, but right now, i think people are past giving a shit
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; im including the previous view for completeness
07:34 geert; people suggest all people, i think its a sorry few you get to point out who wouldnt give a shit anymore
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; for years ive searched for those who give a shit about this
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; and surely they exist.
07:34 geert; and many who pose like that, still give a shit but act as if they dont care
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; its a question of how many, and what they can do about it
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; ive spent plenty of time determining that as well
07:34 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think a damned thing is going to happen about it
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; the free software dark ages will continue
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; for now
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; for some time
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; probably for a long time
07:35 geert; i think transformation is ongoing and we dont necessarily need to fantasize its result as if necessarily pessimistic
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; long enough for gnu to become much more obviously dead
07:35 geert; the lies will not prevail, however it might seem otherwise
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; long enough for this farce to become broadly apparent
07:35 highest_cubist_thrills; could take years
07:35 geert; and the bogus malicious corrupt shit will not win
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; ALREADY HAS taken years.
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; the time the fsf has spent being ineffective is a fraction that just grows larger
07:36 geert; not the money, not the propriety intellectual theft, at one point all the malicious crap will *obviously* proof damaging to group so to speak
07:36 geert; so every day we got more possibilities than difficulties
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; theyve been thumb-in-arse since 2014 at the latest
07:36 highest_cubist_thrills; 7 or 8 years
07:37 highest_cubist_thrills; theyve existed for fewer than 40 years
07:37 geert; so it takes years not because malicious will win
07:37 highest_cubist_thrills; so whats the percentage?
07:37 highest_cubist_thrills; for the past 20% or so of its existence, fsf has accomplished nothing.
07:37 highest_cubist_thrills; nothing.
07:37 geert; it more of takes years because malicious is afraid to lose and try get more time through lies to try not lose
07:37 highest_cubist_thrills; its not a force for freedom
07:37 highest_cubist_thrills; it cant stand up to the corporations
07:37 geert; but malicious will lose anyway and the more time it takes the more cost staples on top of initial malicious already so they kinda shooting their own toes, so to speak
07:38 geert; wish ya'll good morning, things things so prolly bbiab :)
07:38 highest_cubist_thrills; whats the way out? alternatives.
07:38 highest_cubist_thrills; where are they?
07:38 highest_cubist_thrills; they all suck.
07:38 highest_cubist_thrills; i think openbsd is a fine os, which does good things
07:38 highest_cubist_thrills; but openbsd is not a free software organisation
07:38 highest_cubist_thrills; it is an operating system
07:38 highest_cubist_thrills; it does not exist to liberate the user-- even if it makes the user more free
07:39 geert; so related to peoples perception, it got advantages too.
07:39 highest_cubist_thrills; it can be used for that
07:39 geert; meaning it isnt perfect
07:39 highest_cubist_thrills; but the purpose of de raadt and others is not to encourage freedom, even if they produce tools useful for that purpose.
07:39 geert; meaning we got cause to put possibilities we got to use
07:39 geert; a few hours ago i got to hear something;
07:39 highest_cubist_thrills; they arent freedom-centric, freedom-based, thats not their purpose
07:39 highest_cubist_thrills; their purpose is just software.
07:39 geert; 'if we really achieve confortable, why in the world would we make a change' <-- something along that line
07:40 highest_cubist_thrills; at least they have great standards-- but they dont have that cause.
07:40 highest_cubist_thrills; so where is that cause?
07:40 geert; so if it isnt perfect, i guess we got reason to try work
07:40 highest_cubist_thrills; the answer is: nowhere
07:40 highest_cubist_thrills; if you take all the energy that goes into an engine block
07:40 geert; nonono, we got cause, the cause is Right
07:40 highest_cubist_thrills; and you remove the engine block, your destination is:
07:40 highest_cubist_thrills; exactly where youre sitting
07:40 geert; if its imperfect, its obviously not *Right*
07:40 highest_cubist_thrills; thats where free software is going
07:40 geert; so we got plenty of cause
07:40 highest_cubist_thrills; it has no life to it
07:40 highest_cubist_thrills; it is inert
07:40 highest_cubist_thrills; dead.
07:41 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf is dead, gnu is dead, some people poke it and go
07:41 geert; nonono youmistake a object with its user/abuser
07:41 highest_cubist_thrills; THERE! IT MOVED!
07:41 highest_cubist_thrills; just like palin in the dead parrot sketch
07:41 TR News; "My mom died on Saturday. My biological mom became unable to function when I was around 5 due to mental illness, which left my dad and me on our own. Sometime after we were blessed with a strong, beautiful soul named Rhonda." https://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-mom-died-on-saturday/
07:41 TR Bot; My Mom Died on Saturday - Daniel Miessler
07:41 highest_cubist_thrills; ive been complaining about this for years
07:41 geert; like a hammer is utilized, and use would probably classify it tool and abuse in many occasion would classify it weapon
07:41 geert; so it is with software
07:41 highest_cubist_thrills; i even stuck olivas head on palin and the fsf logo over the parrot
07:41 geert; in itself its like a object
07:41 highest_cubist_thrills; because i was tired of his nonsense
07:42 geert; if object is not handled, it is unlikely to provide effect
07:42 geert; the effect should not be mixed with 'life'
07:42 geert; anyways bbiab, things things :)
07:42 highest_cubist_thrills; let me know when you know how to make a parrot
07:42 highest_cubist_thrills; we already know who killed it.
07:42 highest_cubist_thrills; feel free to take a closer look at the time of death, because thats still a mystery
07:42 highest_cubist_thrills; theres nothing left to save.
07:42 highest_cubist_thrills; not in terms of the movement.
07:42 highest_cubist_thrills; there is no movement.
07:43 highest_cubist_thrills; theres software to salvage
07:43 highest_cubist_thrills; but no movement to salvage it
07:43 highest_cubist_thrills; all they can do is fucking archive it
07:43 highest_cubist_thrills; developing and maintaining it, in lines with free software
07:43 highest_cubist_thrills; would require a free software movement.
07:43 highest_cubist_thrills; there isnt one.
07:43 highest_cubist_thrills; since the flagship project of the free software movement is gnu
07:44 highest_cubist_thrills; THE free operating system
07:44 highest_cubist_thrills; owned and controlled by ibm
07:44 highest_cubist_thrills; held hostage by microsoft
07:44 highest_cubist_thrills; the most interesting proof of the death of the movement is the destruction of its flagship
07:44 highest_cubist_thrills; but at the end of the day, thats only evidence
07:45 highest_cubist_thrills; if you look around, at anything, you can join mr. cleese in siding with reality
07:45 highest_cubist_thrills; or you can push the cage and say "THERE! IT MOVED!"
07:45 highest_cubist_thrills; but until someone figures out how to make a parrot
07:45 highest_cubist_thrills; this is all very silly
07:45 highest_cubist_thrills; open source has replaced the free software movement
07:45 highest_cubist_thrills; completely
07:45 highest_cubist_thrills; bait and switch
07:46 highest_cubist_thrills; there is still free software
07:46 highest_cubist_thrills; but no movement to speak of
07:46 highest_cubist_thrills; so good luck with that
07:46 geert; well nothing about the software and foundations is perfect
07:46 highest_cubist_thrills; someday, probably, the movement will return
07:46 geert; imperfect means we got things to do
07:46 highest_cubist_thrills; someday, probably, russia will be communist again too
07:47 highest_cubist_thrills; theres no way to predict when
07:47 geert; well talking about communist, if the EU as an example dont watch out they might get communist first
07:47 highest_cubist_thrills; could be years, could be decades
07:47 highest_cubist_thrills; it wont be centuries, capitalism will kill us faster than that
07:47 geert; so reality is like ongoing transformation currently
07:47 highest_cubist_thrills; it killed free software
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07:47 geert; and we should try affect that ongoing transformation 'positively'
07:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines Articles of Interest
07:47 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman was too trusting
07:47 geert; and if mincer ask 'whats the point'
07:47 highest_cubist_thrills; paranoid wouldnt suit him
07:47 geert; we should answer things like 'to try get you educated'
07:47 highest_cubist_thrills; but neither does being a doormat or a sucker
07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; to be fair, most people-- pretty much anyone
07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; in his position, for such a long time
07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; would have one hell of a time holding this off as long as he did
07:48 geert; stallman to me means another imperfect being, like you, like me
07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; ive seen no person of equal tenacity
07:48 geert; subjective people are imperfect, so they got reason to learn
07:48 geert; stallman wasnt excempt from that
07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; no pretender to the throne who can match half of his staying power
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; theres something wrong with that model, yes
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; but theres nothing to replace it either
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; so bullshit reigns
07:49 geert; you seem to try make things static that are rather dynamically transforming, which is ongoing process currently
07:49 geert; with many subprocesses
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; if enough people gave a shit i think they could assert something
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; we certainly arent in that situation
07:50 geert; many people give a shit but they dont show it because they see that as potential vulnerabilities to their ego that others would possibly exploit
07:50 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe someday
07:50 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think it will be soon
07:50 geert; many those things got to do with them, in this interconnect world so to say
07:50 highest_cubist_thrills; its naive to think when its been years of bs
07:50 geert; so far most *do* give a shit, so to speak
07:50 highest_cubist_thrills; that we wont have years more of bs
07:50 geert; even if they try deny it
07:50 highest_cubist_thrills; whatever is going to change it
07:50 highest_cubist_thrills; isnt hiding in the wings
07:50 geert; as an example, so to speak
07:51 highest_cubist_thrills; its in the mists of time
07:51 geert; maybe ttyl :) plz better try aim positive :)
07:51 highest_cubist_thrills; but hey
07:51 geert; that you probably not become as old and inflexible as mincer seem sometimes :)
07:51 highest_cubist_thrills; id love to be wrong
07:51 geert; if you wouldnt love to be wrong, i think it becomes difficult learning
07:52 geert; and we got plenty of reason to learn
07:52 geert; bbiab, things things :)
07:52 TR News; (NEW): GNOME Files Introduces Most-Requested Feature: New File Menu http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/GNOME_Files_Introduces_Most_Requested_Feature_New_File_Menu.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/GNOME_Files_Introduces_Most_Requested_Feature_New_File_Menu.gmi
07:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines GNOME Files Introduces Most-Requested Feature: New File Menu
07:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i boycott the traitors
07:52 highest_cubist_thrills; you write whatrights
07:53 highest_cubist_thrills; there are no techrights, so my question is, whatrights?
07:53 geert; i think better say : techreasons or techduties
07:53 TR News; (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu: Kubernetes, Ubuntu Community Council, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/17/Canonical_Ubuntu_Kubernetes_Ubuntu_Community_Council_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/17/Canonical_Ubuntu_Kubernetes_Ubuntu_Community_Council_and_More.gmi
07:53 TR Bot; Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu: Kubernetes, Ubuntu Community Council, and More
07:53 schestowitz[TR]; techconservancy
07:54 schestowitz[TR]; now with extra D and I
07:54 highest_cubist_thrills; software freedom servancy con
07:54 geert; schesto!! wish you good morning too like the others
07:54 schestowitz[TR]; less "hate"
07:54 schestowitz[TR]; less criticism of crime
07:54 schestowitz[TR]; =less "hate"
07:54 geert; and btw i got to see a site you get <-- schesto ; seemed quite informative!!
07:54 highest_cubist_thrills; hate disguised as love is still hate
07:55 geert; disguise do not 'unset' facts
07:55 highest_cubist_thrills; hate disguised as tolerance is still hate
07:55 geert; hate evil. all other hate is not so good
07:55 highest_cubist_thrills; hypocrisy and authoritarianism disguised as love and tolerance is still hypocrisy and authoritarianism
07:55 highest_cubist_thrills; and lieplanet runs the fsf
07:55 highest_cubist_thrills; it also ruined the fsf
07:56 geert; theres lots of imperfect, but its not reason to declare imperfect 'winner'
07:56 highest_cubist_thrills; a big corporate trojan horse
07:56 highest_cubist_thrills; that shits on everything
07:56 geert; so hypocrisy, authoritarianism etc. is *not* going to win
07:56 highest_cubist_thrills; trojan horseshit everywhere
07:56 geert; and such malicious dont wana lose, most often, so they try 'win time' as it is said sometimes because they're afraid of losing
07:56 geert; not because malicious would win
07:56 geert; they afraid of losing
07:57 geert; thats most often why it kind of seem to take so much time, coz malicious is afraid of losing and they figure they *might* win by trying eat some more time, so to speak
07:57 geert; its not like malicious is winning, they wont win, they cannot win, malicious crap is still crap however it might be disguised
07:57 geert; :)
07:58 geert; wish ya'll good morning
07:58 geert; so you got cause, you got plenty cause, and you got possibilities much more than difficulties
07:58 geert; and you should better try aim 'positive'
07:59 geert; and the goons wana take that positive aim, they want influence you psychologically in ways they figure they can be more goon
07:59 geert; coz if you feel resilient, they think they get less room to goon
07:59 geert; so plz better try aim 'positive'
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 40.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 141.38
07:59 geert; and if mincer ask 'whats the point'
07:59 geert; they i think you better might get to tell em ' to try educate you'
07:59 geert; :)
08:01 geert; youdont have to give the miserable malicious goons what they want, like e.g. affecting you negatively psychologically, you do not *have* to give em the goon shit they want
08:03 geert; not like i want to insult you like you would only favor negativism
08:04 geert; but you seem to worry so much that it dont necessarily lead to 'better understanding' :)
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; <geert> so hypocrisy, authoritarianism etc. is *not* going to win
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; IF
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; you call them out on it
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; and win the argument
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; which is easy when the facts are on your side
08:09 schestowitz[TR]; "cluebat" over the ehad
08:09 schestowitz[TR]; *head
08:09 schestowitz[TR]; 2300 active capsules by year's end? 2400? gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
08:11 geert; schesto; malicious is *not* going to win. they want to appear like 'legit', but they arent. they want you or me to think the universe runs around 'malicious' but it doesnt
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08:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
08:11 geert; if the universe ran around malcious, so to speak, the stars didnt look as they do look
08:11 schestowitz[TR]; geert: i agree
08:11 geert; so the universe not going to bend for malicious, they not going to win, however it might appear
08:11 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> which is easy when the facts are on your side
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; geert: case of point:
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/14/sfc-income/
08:12 TR Bot; Software Freedom Conservancys (SFC) Income Fell 63% After Working to Oust the Founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), Richard Stallman | Techrights
08:12 highest_cubist_thrills; youve already proved that to be false.
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; also:
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/28/linux-foundation-revenue-plunges/
08:12 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Revenue Plunges ($18,000,000 Decrease in One Year) and Jim Zemlins Wife Has Her Company Sued for Securities Fraud (Class Action) | Techrights
08:12 highest_cubist_thrills; mjg also thinks the facts are on his side
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; \gates foundation is also collapsing
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; but it took a long time
08:12 highest_cubist_thrills; with this he plagues people for years
08:12 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gates_Foundation_Critique
08:12 TR Bot; Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights
08:12 highest_cubist_thrills; gates foundation is also collapsing <- so what
08:12 highest_cubist_thrills; muskets are no longer used in war
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; everything we saud about uefi turned out to be correct
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wiki/UEFI
08:13 TR Bot; UEFI - Techrights
08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; war somehow persists
08:13 geert; as it seems, to a moment in time we dont grasp as much about as we often think
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; and mjg59_ was sought for rewards by Microsoft: http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
08:13 TR Bot; Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett | Techrights
08:13 highest_cubist_thrills; everything we saud about uefi turned out to be correct <- its easier to be correct about problems than solutions
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> war somehow persists
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; class war always persisted
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; and it cannot be ended
08:13 schestowitz[TR]; only faught on
08:14 geert; schesto; nice providing those links, today i get seriously planning look into it, now i got planning to try dig a bit through 'sexuality SJW mess'
08:14 highest_cubist_thrills; the point being
08:14 highest_cubist_thrills; if the gates foundation has crumbled
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; geert: it's not "SJW"
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; it's one of several methods
08:14 highest_cubist_thrills; the problems do not die with it
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; but not the ends
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; there are other methods
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; copyrights, patents, kidnapping
08:14 schestowitz[TR]; like wikileaks
08:14 geert; hmmmm nice pointing that out ;)
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; wikileaks was attacked in a lot of ways
08:15 geert; still is
08:15 geert; horrendous malicious goons try stuff like thaty
08:15 geert; but they wont win.
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; not in the long run
08:15 DaemonFC; https://archive.ph/sbiLr
08:15 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
08:15 schestowitz[TR]; there will be many casualties like cannon fodder
08:15 DaemonFC; Wegmans Discontinues Self-Checkout App, Citing Losses
08:15 DaemonFC; Walmart has one of these too.
08:16 schestowitz[TR]; bully de blanc is bascially finished http://techrights.org/2021/04/21/libel-campaigns/
08:16 mjg59_; I may have been unclear here, but *Netflix* have tried harder to recruit me than Microsoft did
08:16 TR Bot; Overt Abuse and Mischaracterisations by Bully de Blanc | Techrights
08:16 DaemonFC; Wegmans says their theft went up 18% when they did the "scan and go" app.
08:16 schestowitz[TR]; and her boss also http://techrights.org/2022/02/14/goodbye-mcgovern/
08:16 TR Bot; Reprehensible GNOME Foundation Leadership Falls on Sword While Richard Stallman Returns | Techrights
08:16 DaemonFC; (02:16:07 AM) mjg59_: I may have been unclear here, but *Netflix* have tried harder to recruit me than Microsoft did
08:16 geert; its reason why malicious wont win, before its cannon fodder
08:16 DaemonFC; To do what? DRM?
08:16 geert; so malicious is stappling the reasons to get done with malicious itself so to speak
08:16 mjg59_; Yeah, which is why I told them to fuck off
08:16 DaemonFC; That's all they really are. A bunch of groomers with DRM.
08:16 geert; before those 'casualties' are cannon fodder
08:16 geert; plz try aim positive
08:16 DaemonFC; They're laying off anyway now. You'd have been laid off most likely.
08:17 mjg59_; Given the last time they tried was last week, probably not
08:17 DaemonFC; They're going under.
08:17 geert; malicious try so much, but it wont give them the real win
08:17 DaemonFC; Streaming has become far too diluted.
08:17 DaemonFC; And they're doing price hikes into a stagflation recession as they lose millions of subscribers.
08:17 schestowitz[TR]; there are published speculations microsoft will buy netflix
08:17 DaemonFC; So if you agree to work there, good luck.
08:17 schestowitz[TR]; I can link to some
08:18 schestowitz[TR]; but would rather not
08:18 schestowitz[TR]; as it is microsoft cheerleading articles
08:18 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft is now managing their ads (revenue)
08:18 mjg59_; DaemonFC: I think I was just pretty clear that I wasn't going to agree to work there
08:18 schestowitz[TR]; is netflix profiting at all?
08:18 schestowitz[TR]; let's see 2022 numbers
08:18 DaemonFC; Nobody in the mainstream media will say it, but Biden's economy has turned into stagflation.
08:18 schestowitz[TR]; they had millionf of cancellations
08:18 schestowitz[TR]; and fired thoussands to lower expenses
08:18 DaemonFC; Zero or negative GDP with double-digit inflation.
08:18 schestowitz[TR]; https://time.com/6198354/netflix-subscribers-loss-second-quarter-future/
08:18 TR Bot; Loses 1 Million Subscribers in Second Quarter | Time
08:19 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62226912
08:19 TR Bot; Netflix loses almost a million subscribers - BBC News
08:19 mjg59_; I've got a senior title in the bay area, it would be weird if Microsoft didn't try to recruit me
08:19 DaemonFC; They try to protect Biden so even as things get so much worse than they were 3 or 4 years ago, they won't say it.
08:19 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/18/netflix-investors-brace-for-subscriber-losses-as-company-builds-for-long-term.html
08:19 TR Bot; Netflix investors brace for subscriber losses as firm focuses on fixes
08:19 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.ft.com/content/c3b63a57-0d46-41c7-8f6b-c61d388db039
08:19 TR Bot; Subscribe to read | Financial Times
08:19 schestowitz[TR]; "Netflix shares fall almost 40% after subscribers warning
08:19 schestowitz[TR]; "
08:19 schestowitz[TR]; 40%
08:19 schestowitz[TR]; wow
08:20 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2]: Like dad said, first people stop spending on things they want.
08:20 DaemonFC; Then they can't spend on things they NEED.
08:20 DaemonFC; That's where things are going.
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; https://medium.com/@alex.sun93/why-netflixs-enormous-cash-losses-are-necessary-not-reckless-netflix-is-not-a-bubble-part-1-ceb31e0a49f3
08:20 TR Bot; Netflixs enormous cash losses are necessary, not reckless (NETFLIX IS NOT A BUBBLE, PART 1) | by Alex Sun | Medium
08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
08:20 DaemonFC; So you see that in things like people buying Netflix subscriptions first.
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; https://miro.medium.com/max/700/0*8ExozlS_sSme-lCm
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; another uber
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; another tesla
08:20 DaemonFC; And things are not going to get better for them.
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; "we are losing"
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; "bear with us"
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; "we'll make money one day... maybe"
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; Twitter, Clownflare... also big losses
08:20 schestowitz[TR]; spotify just abotu hanging there before pandemic
08:21 schestowitz[TR]; NYSE = fraud
08:21 DaemonFC; mjg59_ realizes that if he takes a job at Netflix, it may not even last a year before a round of layoffs wipes him out anyway.
08:21 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/28/linux-foundation-revenue-plunges/
08:21 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Revenue Plunges ($18,000,000 Decrease in One Year) and Jim Zemlins Wife Has Her Company Sued for Securities Fraud (Class Action) | Techrights
08:21 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/zemlins-are-volatile/
08:21 TR Bot; After Defrauding People in New York Stock Exchange (Now Class Action for Securities Fraud) Jim Zemlins Wife Quits Bakkt to Dodge Liability | Techrights
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; based on roys raving about the (limitless) failure of the tech industry
08:21 DaemonFC; If they're getting rid of the Oscar winning animation people, then are they going to keep the DRM guy?
08:21 DaemonFC; To write DRM for WHAT?
08:21 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> mjg59_ realizes that if he takes a job at Netflix, it may not even last a year before a round of layoffs wipes him out anyway.
08:21 schestowitz[TR]; or HEY HI in cars
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; you would have to assume hes either mistaken, or that we have reached peak tech industry
08:21 schestowitz[TR]; I did this as a postdoc for a bit
08:21 schestowitz[TR]; explored it from research POV
08:21 schestowitz[TR]; it stinks
08:21 schestowitz[TR]; it would never work
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think the tech industry has peaked
08:21 highest_cubist_thrills; sadly
08:22 schestowitz[TR]; maybe in w warsdhouse
08:22 schestowitz[TR]; where all vehicles are on some control system,
08:22 DaemonFC; mjg59_: Widevine is fucking crap, you know.
08:22 schestowitz[TR]; not on roads with many cars, dogs, cats, squirrels, pedestrians
08:22 DaemonFC; Everything that's "protected" by Widevine ends up being downloaded by ahem.....
08:22 DaemonFC; About 3-4 hours later.
08:22 schestowitz[TR]; can you image "HEY HI" BS companies like auraro writing a fuction for squirrel avoidance?
08:22 schestowitz[TR]; how would they TEST it?
08:23 schestowitz[TR]; IRL?
08:23 schestowitz[TR]; get a thousand squrrels in a bag?
08:23 schestowitz[TR]; and some cars to crash like mercedes in its "Safety" ads?
08:23 DaemonFC; Netflix is going to be the first streaming company to fail because they don't want to commit to anything.
08:23 highest_cubist_thrills; if you both have unfaltering conviction that youre right, neither of you can affect the other
08:23 schestowitz[TR]; humans know how to deal with it
08:23 DaemonFC; Since they don't commit to anything, people give up on it.
08:24 highest_cubist_thrills; or be REASONABLY certain of anything
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; look, it's a rat. no, it looks like a quirrel
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; "slown down a bit"
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; "give it a change to move
08:24 DaemonFC; At least the other streaming companies invest in franchises.
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; aurora cannot tell a plastic bag from an animal
08:24 highest_cubist_thrills; a wall walks into a bar
08:24 highest_cubist_thrills; the bartender is also a wall
08:24 schestowitz[TR]; /change/schance/
08:24 highest_cubist_thrills; nothing happens
08:24 DaemonFC; House of Cards wasn't bad until they fired Kevin Spacey and tried to wrap it up without him by saying he died off screen.
08:25 DaemonFC; I like Kevin Spacey.
08:25 DaemonFC; You just want to, you know.
08:25 schestowitz[TR]; netflix wants to hiire mjg59_
08:25 schestowitz[TR]; also netflix:
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-02-04/netflix-trans-employee-resigns-dave-chappelle
08:26 TR Bot; Trans Netflix employee resigns over Chappelle controversy - Los Angeles Times
08:26 highest_cubist_thrills; netflix is useless and determined to destroy itself with bullshit
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/may/25/ricky-gervais-netflix-special-condemned-by-lgbtq-groups-for-anti-trans-rants-masquerading-as-jokes
08:26 TR Bot; Ricky Gervais Netflix special condemned by LGBTQ groups for anti-trans rants masquerading as jokes | Ricky Gervais | The Guardian
08:26 highest_cubist_thrills; the joke pretty much writes itself
08:26 DaemonFC; Nobody has actually even said that Spacey raped them as far as I am aware.
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.newsweek.com/netflix-doubles-down-free-speech-trans-activists-vow-fight-1711221
08:26 TR Bot; Netflix Doubles Down on 'Free Speech' as Trans Activists Vow to Fight On
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; netflxi suspended trans people
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; for trying to take control over editorial decisions
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; suspended its own staff
08:26 DaemonFC; His whole career was ruined by someone who said "He made an unwanted pass at me at a party 30 years ago.".
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; they caused issues from the inside
08:26 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/18/22733098/netflix-trans-employees-demands-dave-chappelle-walkout
08:26 TR Bot; Netflix trans employees and allies release a list of demands ahead of the walkout - The Verge
08:26 highest_cubist_thrills; ricky-gervais-netflix-special-condemned-by-lgbtq-groups-for-anti-trans-rants-masquerading-as-jokes <- i havent seen the special
08:27 highest_cubist_thrills; but my guess is that he told a bunch of jokes about trans people
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; that's disallowed
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; humour is bad
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; seinfeld is bad
08:27 DaemonFC; Netflix deserves to go under more than most of the rest of them.
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; it's like cosmo kramer now
08:27 DaemonFC; Seinfeld isn't humor.
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; kramer went on a bad tirade
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; not a mjoke
08:27 DaemonFC; Seinfeld is for idiots.
08:27 schestowitz[TR]; but now every joke about a race is treated this way
08:28 highest_cubist_thrills; to be fair, michael richards had a meltdown on stage because he couldnt handle his hecklers
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; in the 1990s we had such controversies too
08:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and this manifested as an extreme rant about black people
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; people accusing comerdians of offending people
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; but they carried on
08:28 DaemonFC; If you don't like the jokes, there's the door.
08:28 highest_cubist_thrills; this isnt an unfair portrayal of what happened to richard at all
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; now they get shows canceled
08:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and people lost interest in him
08:28 DaemonFC; If you don't like the jokes, turn off the TV or cancel your subscription.
08:28 highest_cubist_thrills; because they were disgusted
08:29 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> to be fair, michael richards had a meltdown on stage because he couldnt handle his hecklers
08:29 schestowitz[TR]; like rms in brazil
08:29 schestowitz[TR]; embarassing to watch
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont doubt the jokes that gervais told were anti-trans
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; people who understand autistic meltdowns would feel bad for rms in brazil
08:29 DaemonFC; Who cares?
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; and some of the crowd actually understood
08:29 highest_cubist_thrills; they were trying to help
08:30 DaemonFC; Society has ways of dealing with people that are unpopular.
08:30 DaemonFC; It's called "shunning them".
08:30 highest_cubist_thrills; he had a whole speech in spanish
08:30 highest_cubist_thrills; and somehow no one had explained that spanish is NOT a suitable substitute for portuguese
08:30 TR News; (NEW): #HowTo Limit the Number of Connections in NGINX http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/How_to_Limit_the_Number_of_Connections_in_NGINX.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/How_to_Limit_the_Number_of_Connections_in_NGINX.gmi
08:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines How to Limit the Number of Connections in NGINX
08:30 DaemonFC; Eventually, nobody will listen to them if everyone agrees what they're saying is bad.
08:30 highest_cubist_thrills; was kuhn still the executive director then? just asking
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know what role the fsf plays in his speech events. some, i believe. they announce them at least
08:31 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, people like mjg59_ just want ISPs to disconnect people so nobody can listen if they want to.
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf may not be to blame here.
08:31 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Yeah uh she's literally my neighbour
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; so he got there with a speech
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; and suddenly he realises
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; he cant give the speech, because spanish isnt portuguese
08:31 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Spend Friday hanging out with her
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; some people would just take the stress and disappointment
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; he was there
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; on stage
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; and could not give the talk.
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; isntead he had a meltdown
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; again
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; if you know anything about autism
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; this is understandable
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; people who know nothing about autism (or do not care) simply say its embarassing-- which is true...
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; but signifies nothing
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; its like saying "the sky was blue"
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; well, thats not untrue
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; but whats the point youre trying to make
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; when autistic people are overwhelmed with stress they have meltdowns
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; if michael richards was found to be autistic it might not save his comedy career
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; but it should at least be considered
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe he cant pack clubs after that
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; (this is not so with stallman btw)
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; but maybe we dont look at his entire career as "that fucking racist cunt from seinfeld"
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; btw, i think richards is probably a racist cunt
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; but i liked his comedy up to that point
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; id probably still like his comedy if there was anywhere for it to go from here
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, maybe he could have learned something and decided to work on being a racist cunt or something
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; a bit late in life and his career, but hes not dead
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; its not like he went to a night club and murdered a bunch of people
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; if you do that, "working on your racism" isnt going to redeem your comedy.
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; it's a fre espeech issue
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; seinfeld wants to tell the equivalent of dad jokes and get the same respect he got when he was relevant
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; even if you observe racists
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; the idea is
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; the coup plotters enter this channel
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; look for the racist people
08:38 schestowitz[TR]; and then call that out in twitter
08:38 schestowitz[TR]; (someone in irc channel of) techrights said <this>
08:38 schestowitz[TR]; and that helps perpetuate some perception of them fighting for morality
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; thats not untrue-- the free software movement has been replaced with thought police
08:38 schestowitz[TR]; when in nfact thet fight for censorship
08:38 schestowitz[TR]; they did the same to phoronix
08:38 schestowitz[TR]; by finding bigots in the phoronix forums
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; but then again
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; and threatening phoronix for gaving a voice/space for people who call out the corporate takeover plotters
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; you dont really fight the thought police
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; as larabel did years ago
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; you just alternate between complaining they exist
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; and then complaining that people are standing up to them
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; it starts with
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; "censor this"
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; "censor THIS person"
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; then they pick on the moderators
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; shaming them
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; dragging them through mud
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; until they compl;y
08:40 highest_cubist_thrills; yep, they do tht
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; the real solution is to not comply at all
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; don't give them any leeway
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; don't see "therapists"
08:40 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: You *do* keep choosing to post articles written by a racist transphobe
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; you give them hunger
08:40 mjg59_; You could simply not do that
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; they salivate
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; then foam at the moiyuth
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; and try more and more
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; and they will NEVER be happy
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; because they are themselves miserable human beings
08:41 mjg59_; Actually pretty happy right now tbh
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; you have just made my point
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; you say DaemonFC has no rights to speech
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; or to platform
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; on TECHNICAL issues
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; I onyl respost him on etchnical things
08:41 mjg59_; If he has the right to a platform on techrights.org, why don't I?
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; but you say I should not
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC is to you persona non grata
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; and anyone you don't fancy
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; you are a dfictator
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; and you cannot realise this
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; I never said deeploatform x y z from platform
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; I can respond to them
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; ridicule them
08:42 mjg59_; Plenty of technical stuff I write that you could repost
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; you asre a dick-tator
08:42 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> schestowitz[TR]: You *do* keep choosing to post articles written by a racist transphobe <mjg59_> You could simply not do that < shouldnt he stop posting about red hat too then?
08:42 DaemonFC; I don't recall writing anything "transphobic" on my blog.
08:42 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean i dont like dfcs transphobia or his backwards stance on what really amounts to eugenics
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; red hat (ibm) helped hitler gas trans people
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; but when will ibm be held accountable
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; you took salaries from them,
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; for $100,000+ per year!
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; nice "warrior"
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; whose?
08:43 mjg59_; Nah pretty sure my salary was never that high
08:43 DaemonFC; mjg59_: I did recently write about how the Democrats in Illinois will effectively repeal all of the police reforms in the Safe-T Act if their "Workers Rights Amendment" passes.
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; im pretty sure mjg uses github too
08:43 DaemonFC; The police union will simply demand a new contract that omits everything the Safe-T Act requires of them.
08:43 mjg59_; And at the time RH didn't own IBM
08:44 mjg59_; Er, other way around
08:44 DaemonFC; Then that'll be the end of the Safe-T Act.
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; why is github allowed, and even used as a platform
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; but dfc must be censored
08:44 schestowitz[TR]; biab
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont get how the standards work here
08:44 TR News; "So you've just gotten a new Raspberry Pi, perhaps even the Raspberry Pi 4 or Raspberry Pi 400, and taken it out of the box." https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/set-up-raspberry-pi | Source: Tom's Hardware
08:44 TR Bot; How to Set Up a Raspberry Pi for the First Time | Tom's Hardware
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> You could simply not do that <- its clearly not simple
08:44 DaemonFC; mjg59_supports people who help ICE murder immigrants and then bashes me.
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; its either VERY VERY complex, or conveniently arbitrary
08:44 DaemonFC; Because I said Keith doesn't look good with lipstick.
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; and reasonable people dont LIKE That, because its NOT reasonable
08:44 DaemonFC; :)
08:44 DaemonFC; Could he get any better?
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; you can stop reading dfc if you dont like him
08:44 highest_cubist_thrills; THAT actually IS simple
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; its what i do
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; and you can work to cancel people you dont like
08:45 TR News; "Every operating system needs a way to install third party applications." https://klarasystems.com/articles/a-quick-look-at-the-history-of-package-management-on-freebsd/ | Source: Klara
08:45 TR Bot; A Quick Look at the History of Package Management on FreeBSD - Klara Inc.
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; which im not 100% against in theory
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; in practice its a giant pile of shit
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; but in theory...
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; but even if you do that
08:45 mjg59_; I'm not saying Ryan shouldn't have his own blog
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; im not saying github should be literally nuked from orbit
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; but why do people use it
08:45 DaemonFC; mjg59_: Quit supporting companies that have contracts with ICE.
08:45 DaemonFC; You racist.
08:45 highest_cubist_thrills; also, if ryan is allowed his own blog
08:45 DaemonFC; Immigrant basher.
08:46 DaemonFC; See how that works?
08:46 mjg59_; I'm just saying that if you keep posting content written by an openly racist transphobe then it's legitimate to ask why he's given special treatment
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; why is roy not BY EXTENSTION allowed to mirror relevant articles from it/
08:46 mjg59_; Oh yeah he's definitely allowed to
08:46 TR News; "Arduino IDE 2.0 brings a number of improvements to the original IDE" https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-arduino-ide-2 | Source: Tom's Hardware
08:46 TR Bot; How To Use The New Arduino IDE 2.0 | Tom's Hardware
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; then it's legitimate to ask why he's given special treatment <- i agree.
08:46 highest_cubist_thrills; but where is the special treatment?
08:46 mjg59_; But when he chooses to mirror relevant articles from there but not from elsewhere?
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; well he decides whats relevant
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; along lines i dont agree with
08:47 DaemonFC; mjg59_: What have you actually done to help anyone but yourself?
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; but nonetheless its his blog
08:47 TR News; "The White House today released a regulatory framework designed to address risks in the cryptocurrency ecosystem" https://siliconangle.com/2022/09/16/white-house-releases-framework-regulating-digital-assets/ | Source: Silicon Angle
08:47 TR Bot; House releases framework for regulating digital assets - SiliconANGLE
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean techrights
08:47 mjg59_; Yeah, it's definitely his space
08:47 mjg59_; He has the right to do whatever he wants there
08:47 DaemonFC; I've worked for decades to help Immigrants even at my own personal expense when I had about $100 in the bank maybe.
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; he trusts dfc
08:47 mjg59_; But he doesn't have the right to argue he shouldn't be criticised for some of his choices
08:47 highest_cubist_thrills; he doesnt trust you
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; <mjg59_> I'm not saying Ryan shouldn't have his own blog
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; you did
08:48 mjg59_; Where?
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; you said I should not have him as guest author
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; you said you became us citizen
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; read about first am.
08:48 mjg59_; He'd still have his own blog if you didn't have him as a guest author
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; i repost technical articles
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; you want to deprive him of that
08:49 DaemonFC; mjg59_: You could always lobby Roy's ISP to cancel him, or have a paralegal write more threats.
08:49 TR News; "[Cryptocurrency]-assets are digital assets that are implemented using cryptographic techniques." https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/09/08/fact-sheet-climate-and-energy-implications-of-crypto-assets-in-the-united-states/ | Source: USA
08:49 TR Bot; FACT SHEET: Climate and Energy Implications of Crypto-Assets in the United States - The White House
08:49 mjg59_; Why do you not repost my technical articles?
08:49 highest_cubist_thrills; roy imo has the same rights on roys blog that dfc has on dfcs blog
08:49 mjg59_; You have the right not to do so
08:49 TR News; "The new system will use 99.95% less energy, according to the Ethereum Foundation." https://www.reuters.com/technology/ethereum-blockchain-has-completed-major-software-upgrade-co-founder-says-2022-09-15/ | Source: Reuters
08:49 TR Bot; blockchain slashes energy use with 'Merge' software upgrade | Reuters
08:49 mjg59_; There's no obligation
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> mjg59_: You could always lobby Roy's ISP to cancel hi
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; or lobby my webhost
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; (already done)
08:50 mjg59_; But why would refusing to re-post Ryan's blog be a free speech issue when you already fail to re-post mine?
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; <mjg59_> Why do you not repost my technical articles?
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; bad track rtecord
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; you lie a lot
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; like you did about uefi
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; I don't shitpost
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; techrights has quality control
08:50 highest_cubist_thrills; i wouldnt go that far
08:50 DaemonFC; mjg59_ just goes straight for the hosting company or ISP because he's a malicious motherfucker.
08:50 mjg59_; And reposting stuff written by a transphobe meets your quality control?
08:50 DaemonFC; He doesn't believe in free speech. He wants the Web to be like Reddit.
08:51 mjg59_; I mean, if so, that's fair! I disagree, but it's your space
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: you worked for fucking nazis
08:51 mjg59_; When?
08:51 highest_cubist_thrills; why is it okay for dfc to post to a blog
08:51 DaemonFC; Every time you look at Reddit, it says "this was deleted" "that person was suspended".
08:51 highest_cubist_thrills; but not okay for roy to repost it
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; I don't repost for people who enable genocide, sorry
08:51 DaemonFC; And then nothing indexed it, so it's like, "Why even waste time there?".
08:51 mjg59_; You realise that IBM bought Red Hat over 5 years after I left, right
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> Every time you look at Reddit, it says "this was deleted" "that person was suspended".
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; they have excuses
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; for banning links to sites like techrights
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; thewy lie about it beiong "inaccurate"
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; or something to that effect
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; and then lobbyists from ibm put pressure
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; hacker news also
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; same shit
08:52 DaemonFC; Libera Chat can't permanently ban me.
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; they always have censorship tricks up their sleeve
08:52 DaemonFC; They can ban me all they want, but like, they can't make it stick.
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; and mjg59_ fancies himself "cancel general"
08:52 DaemonFC; Matrix.org went on a spree a while back where they banned me like 7 times and then gave up.
08:52 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: When did I work for nazis?
08:53 TR News; "bo Akademi political science professor Kim Strandberg, who will serve as Haukio's opponent, took to Twitter to share the news." https://yle.fi/news/3-12628792 | Source: YLE
08:53 TR Bot; First lady to defend doctoral thesis | News | Yle Uutiset
08:53 TR News; Twitter = foreign interference/Misinformation https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/18/us/womens-march-russia-trump.html | Source: New York Times
08:53 TR Bot; How Russian Trolls Helped Keep the Womens March Out of Lock Step - The New York Times
08:53 highest_cubist_thrills; technically you work for them now
08:54 highest_cubist_thrills; its just pro bono
08:54 DaemonFC; There's other home servers, but they're not all that reliable.
08:54 TR News; DRM, losses, and worse: Spotify steals from artists https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/12/streaming-doesnt-pay/#stunt-publishing | Source: CoryDoctorow
08:54 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 12 Sep 2022 Spotify is a ripoff, a Spotify exclusive Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
08:54 highest_cubist_thrills; now, this is not a statement of fact. its a joke that is dangerously close to the truth
08:54 DaemonFC; Matrix.org and Element are malicious software.
08:55 DaemonFC; They keep taking working Web Standards compliant code and kerjiggering it into something that uses Chrome shit.
08:55 TR News; [Old] "The remote attestation protocol proposed by IBM [3] is vulnerable to Man-In-The-Middle attack." https://seclab.stanford.edu/pcl/cs259/projects/cs259_final_lavina_jayesh/CS259_report_lavina_jayesh.pdf |
08:55 highest_cubist_thrills; collective guilt obviously applies to everyone but those who wield it.
08:55 DaemonFC; And then it won't work in SeaMonkey anymore properly.
08:55 DaemonFC; I managed to fake my way past their browser sniffer.
08:55 DaemonFC; It mostly works.
08:55 highest_cubist_thrills; or your guilt here would not be worth disputing
08:56 DaemonFC; It's probably Travis or Matthew again.
08:56 highest_cubist_thrills; roy does not work for dfc
08:56 highest_cubist_thrills; but he clearly works with him
08:56 highest_cubist_thrills; albeit in a capacity that is pro bono
08:56 mjg59_; I genuinely try to do what I think is best for the wider community
08:56 DaemonFC; Fuck off.
08:56 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe roy does too
08:56 mjg59_; Sometimes other people might benefit as a result
08:57 DaemonFC; mjg59_: The Microsoft community, maybe.
08:57 mjg59_; Oh yeah I absolutely do not doubt Roy's sincerity
08:57 DaemonFC; Did someone there ask you to go on a tear about me again?
08:57 mjg59_; I think he's wrong, but I think he's sincere
08:58 mjg59_; So, in the same way Roy spends a bunch of time trying to convince me I'm wrong, I'll do the opposite
08:58 highest_cubist_thrills; you can say that again and again again
08:58 mjg59_; But literally nobody is paying me to do so
08:59 highest_cubist_thrills; no one pays him either
08:59 schestowitz[TR]; you try to re-establish credibility
08:59 schestowitz[TR]; that's why you come to a network
08:59 mjg59_; Right! There doesn't need to be a sinister paymaster behind the scenes for people to be opinionated
08:59 schestowitz[TR]; as a hostile person
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 89.91 average k/sec., average swarm size 130.83
08:59 schestowitz[TR]; in a network where you know that nobody welcomes you
08:59 highest_cubist_thrills; There doesn't need to be a sinister paymaster <- but we know there is one anyway
08:59 schestowitz[TR]; you are like a sick stalker
08:59 highest_cubist_thrills; just they might not be paying you anything
08:59 schestowitz[TR]; and anyone would judge that as such
09:00 highest_cubist_thrills; i think its obviously youre happy to do this sort of thing pro bono
09:00 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: You keep posting about me - does that make you a sick stalker?
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ = libels Torvalds, gets him sent to therapists (projection), then asks him how it went
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; did the same to rms
09:00 highest_cubist_thrills; i would never suggest that you require payment to do this
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; he and his ilk
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; SFC/Sharp
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; abusing people
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; trying to bully them by digital means
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; and then plaaying "victim"
09:01 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Or does it mean that you disagree with me on certain matters and want to express that?
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; "CODE HAS FEELINGS TOO!!"
09:01 TR News; Monopolies https://doctorow.medium.com/structural-adjustment-fded18104bbe | Source: Cory Doctorow
09:01 TR Bot; Structural Adjustment. Forthcoming in the November, 2022 issue | by Cory Doctorow | Sep, 2022 | Medium
09:01 mjg59_; I could just disagree with you elsewhere, but doing it here means we have the opportunity to have a real-time conversation and maybe understand each other better
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; your work on acpi was ghood
09:02 highest_cubist_thrills; and maybe understand each other better <- years of evidence suggest otherwise
09:02 mjg59_; I'm not sure how this amounts to stalking
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; but you tries to take shortcuts
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; by serving Microsoft
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; and attacking people above you
09:02 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: I do genuinely understand Roy better now!
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; and now you got your palms burned
09:02 TR News; [Old] "Thats the story of how we got here. Now lets talk about where were going" https://locusmag.com/2021/07/cory-doctorow-tech-monopolies-and-the-insufficient-necessity-of-interoperability/ | Source: Locus Magazine
09:02 TR Bot; Cory Doctorow: Tech Monopolies and the Insufficient Necessity of Interoperability Locus Online
09:02 TR News; [Old] "They just moved from platforms to protocols, switching to increasingly decentralized systems" https://gizmodo.com/cory-doctorow-copyright-laws-tech-antitrust-1849376858 | Source: Gizmodo
09:02 TR Bot; Cory Doctorow On 20 Years Of Copyright Wars
09:03 highest_cubist_thrills; I do genuinely understand Roy better now! <- perhaps, but i do not think it shows
09:03 TR News; "Internet" Decentralized https://creativecommons.org/2022/09/18/better-internet-for-a-decentralized-web-conversations-from-camp/ | Source: Creative Commons
09:03 TR Bot; Better Internet for a Decentralized Web: Conversations from Camp - Creative Commons
09:03 highest_cubist_thrills; ive tried to help with that-- it didnt work, i wasnt surprised, and accepting my help was never required (or expected)
09:04 highest_cubist_thrills; even if you accepted it, i doubt it would work
09:04 schestowitz[TR]; people wish to be left along by "career mob"
09:04 schestowitz[TR]; I'd rather focus on tuxmachines and stuff
09:04 schestowitz[TR]; than waste time arguing with a malicious, hostile person in irc
09:04 mjg59_; And yet you keep reposting matieral written by a racist transphobe
09:04 schestowitz[TR]; who exploits our free speech policy for time-wasting
09:05 TR News; QAnon = Disinformation https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/erasing-qanon-fascism-a-case-study-in-black-comedy/ | Source: Counter Punch
09:05 TR Bot; QAnon Fascism: A Case Study in Black Comedy - CounterPunch.org
09:05 DaemonFC; (03:04:36 AM) mjg59_: And yet you keep reposting matieral written by a racist transphobe
09:05 highest_cubist_thrills; And yet you keep reposting matieral written by a racist transphobe <- again, what is the point of saying this
09:05 *DaemonFC leaves mjg59_ in South Chicago at 3 AM. He's not racist so it should be just fine.
09:05 highest_cubist_thrills; what is the significance of him reposting dfc
09:05 highest_cubist_thrills; while others repost ibm?
09:05 TR News; Shannonwatch https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/the-roar-of-a-u-s-warplane-over-a-civilian-irish-airport/ | Source: Counter Punch
09:05 TR Bot; Roar of a U.S. Warplane Over a Civilian Irish Airport - CounterPunch.org
09:05 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm is SURELY MUCH WORSE than dfc by any reasonable evaluation
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; 2019: stallman does not speak for free software
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; 2022: but if ibm does thats okay
09:07 highest_cubist_thrills; according to edwin black, ibm did not merely PARTICIPATE in the holocaust of millions
09:07 highest_cubist_thrills; they ORCHESTRATED IT for sheer profit
09:07 highest_cubist_thrills; he goes so far as to say without ibm, hitler could have only killed "hundreds of thousands"
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; which is still terrible
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; obviously
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; but saying its better than killing millions is not hate speech, no matter how oversimplified it is
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; it puts ibm as responsible for MOST of the holocaust
09:08 DaemonFC; mjg59_ only thinks I'm racist because he hasn't had a gun shoved in his face.
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; but dfc is a dick
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; ergo, lets stop reposting dfc
09:08 DaemonFC; Maybe if he had, like I have, he'd shut his stupid fucking mouth for a change.
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; and promote ibm instead
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont understand this logic
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; nor do i believe it is remotely an unfair way to frame this
09:09 highest_cubist_thrills; war criminals: okay, racists NOT OKAY seems to be the order of the day
09:10 DaemonFC; After I had the gun shoved in my face, I resolved that it was not going to happen again and started carrying.
09:10 highest_cubist_thrills; and ironically, we are all expecte to Just Follow Orders
09:10 highest_cubist_thrills; imo that kind of thinking is just bad shit waiting to happen
09:10 highest_cubist_thrills; who knows
09:10 highest_cubist_thrills; cancel ibm
09:10 highest_cubist_thrills; then lets talk
09:10 highest_cubist_thrills; because they are literally hitler
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; and no one gives a shit how many people repost literally hitler
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont like dfc, but hes not as bad as ibm
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; i have an answer to all this
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; its scapegoating
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; people want to offer dfc as a sacrifice
09:11 DaemonFC; I have an answer to this too.
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; in hopes that somehow ibm will suffer
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; i have a better idea
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; cancel ibm first.
09:12 DaemonFC; Make Matthew Garrett go walking through South Chicago around this time of night.
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; my stance on drugs is the same
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; go after the big players, leave people smoking pot at home alone.
09:12 DaemonFC; They'll say "What's the matter? Did you get lost?" and then they'll mug him and maybe they'll dump him in the garbage when they're done.
09:12 DaemonFC; Because that's how they are down there.
09:13 highest_cubist_thrills; if you want a war on drugs, you get a mess but no progress
09:13 *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@zx4r4gr9htgby.irc) has left #techrights (Leaving.)
09:13 highest_cubist_thrills; in fairness, i think things have improved (a bit) as far as transphobia goes
09:13 highest_cubist_thrills; but the free software movement, which was never fundamentally transphobic (on the contrary) was destroyed
09:14 TR News; "I have a friend in Bellingham WA who does IT for Microsoft during the winter and works the cannery boats during the summer 'cause the boats pay better!" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/15/062201#1272003
09:14 TR Bot; Solar Foods Wants to Replace Industrial Animal Farming With a High-Tech Protein Harvest - SoylentNews
09:14 highest_cubist_thrills; like so many cases of mistaken identity in the drug war
09:14 highest_cubist_thrills; find drug house, riddle it with bullets
09:14 highest_cubist_thrills; oh, sorry family of 5! wrong house!
09:14 highest_cubist_thrills; oops
09:14 TR News; "There is lots more information in the quoted link. [JR] If you are an Arduino user, or any other single board computer, what do you use them for? Care to share some of your stories?" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/15/0639246
09:14 TR Bot; Enhancements to Arduino IDE - SoylentNews
09:14 highest_cubist_thrills; well, we have to fight the drug war
09:14 TR News; Criticism intensifies after big oil admits gaslighting public over green aims | Climate crisis | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/17/oil-companies-exxonmobil-chevron-shell-bp-climate-crisis Source: The Guardian UK | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/17/oil-companies-exxonmobil-chevron-shell-bp-climate-crisis
09:14 TR Bot; Criticism intensifies after big oil admits gaslighting public over green aims | Climate crisis | The Guardian
09:15 TR News; GMO propaganda, using STRAW MAN arguments https://www.inkl.com/news/who-s-afraid-of-gene-edited-crops/BaJMPLTlWbl patents, cancer etc. off the table? Are critics just "paranoid"?
09:15 TR Bot; Whos Afraid of Gene-Edited Crops?
09:16 highest_cubist_thrills; people who support cancel culture remind me so much of people who think the death penalty is helpful
09:16 TR News; "In the wake of the Hotfile lawsuit, the Motion Picture Association asked the court to keep some anti-piracy information forever out of the public eye." https://torrentfreak.com/unsealed-court-records-unveil-columbia-pictures-timeless-anti-piracy-secrets-220918/ | Source: Torrent Freak
09:16 TR Bot; Court Records Unveil Columbia Pictures' 'Timeless' Anti-Piracy Secrets * TorrentFreak
09:16 highest_cubist_thrills; funnily enough dfc is a member of the latter group
09:16 geert; https://www.entremundos.org/revista/women/micromachismos-another-type-of-violence-against-women/?lang=en
09:16 TR News; "New research shared by the entertainment industry-backed Digital Citizens Alliance finds that 12% of all ads on pirate streaming sites are linked to malware." https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-advertising-researchers-fall-victim-to-ransomware-attacks/ | Source: Torrent Freak
09:16 TR Bot; MicroMachismos: Another Type of Violence against Women | EntreMundos
09:16 TR Bot; Advertising Researchers Fall Victim to Ransomware Attacks * TorrentFreak
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; he doesnt appreciate that the death penalty and cancel culture are practically identical in their stupidity
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: I know you are aware of the differences
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; of course
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; but one that comes to mind is, one group does something illegal
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; cancel culture RARELY literally kills people
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; but its happened before
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; and tbh, the death penalty probably kills fewer people than ever
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; and usually very reprehensible like mass murder
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; but only because so many countries have stopped practicing it
09:18 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm is guilty of mass murder
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; Uk reconsiders
09:18 highest_cubist_thrills; one of the most high profile cases in the history of civilisation
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; in the opposite direction
09:18 highest_cubist_thrills; uk does a lot of stupid things
09:18 TR News; Solar Flare https://hackaday.com/2022/09/18/solar-flare-quiets-a-quarter-of-the-globe/ | Source: Hackaday
09:18 TR Bot; Flare Quiets A Quarter Of The Globe | Hackaday
09:18 highest_cubist_thrills; both cancel culture and the death penalty are barbaric-- and sloppy
09:18 highest_cubist_thrills; not necessarily to the same degree
09:19 highest_cubist_thrills; but the defenses are similar in their wishful, and vengeful thinking
09:19 highest_cubist_thrills; in a world of facts we would have better things to do
09:19 highest_cubist_thrills; we have never lived in a world of facts
09:19 highest_cubist_thrills; but we can try to imagine one
09:19 schestowitz[TR]; death penalty in us misses the mark
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; many lack health coverage
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; so have nothing to lose
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; so do something very very horrible
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; and then you ssay
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; "but welle xcute you"
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; like they care
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; they were there before
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; helpless enough to die from illness
09:20 highest_cubist_thrills; i think youve tied together two things
09:20 highest_cubist_thrills; and then implied a causal relationship
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; right
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; possible
09:21 highest_cubist_thrills; when you can go elsewhere and find similar results, where that relationship does not exist
09:21 TR News; UK under Liz Trump and Brexitnaro https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/why-our-electricity-prices-cant-be-left-to-bogus-free-markets/ | Source: Counter Punch
09:21 TR Bot; Our Electricity Prices Cant Be Left to Bogus Free Markets - CounterPunch.org
09:22 highest_cubist_thrills; you would have probably been more accurate if youd looked at racism rather than healthcare
09:22 highest_cubist_thrills; either way, the death penalty is stupid
09:22 TR News; UK monarchy has two heads: parties and the Crown. PM: "She was voted in, in a country of around 69 million people, by 81,326 (57.4% of the total gaggle)" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/uk-fragmentation-and-decline-under-conservative-rule/ | Source: Counter Punch
09:22 TR Bot; Fragmentation and Decline Under Conservative Rule - CounterPunch.org
09:22 highest_cubist_thrills; so is cancel culture
09:22 highest_cubist_thrills; for similar reasons
09:23 TR News; China has 'won' https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/china-is-the-worlds-largest-economy-get-over-it/ | Source: Counter Punch
09:23 TR Bot; is the Worlds Largest Economy: Get Over It - CounterPunch.org
09:23 highest_cubist_thrills; a lot of people only supposed the death penalty because they think lethal injection is like taking a nap
09:23 highest_cubist_thrills; not burning or suffocating (or both)
09:23 highest_cubist_thrills; hanging is nasty, other methods are gruesome
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; it's expensive too
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; the excuttions are epxnesive
09:23 highest_cubist_thrills; lethal injection is like going to sleep! (they believe)
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; inc. the legal process needed to reach them
09:23 highest_cubist_thrills; so they support it because they think its not barbaric
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; similarly
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; a lot of people who support cancel culture
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; "humane gas"
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; look it up
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; do not believe it is a form of collective torture
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; that it is barbaric or sloppy
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; they mistake mobs for democracy
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; btw, us killed people in gas chambers until the 1970s iirc
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; their pilot was in europe, I suppose
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah i dont know who made them
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; with their "humane gas"
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; was it ge?
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; also there are 50 states and i think very few used the gas chamber. im sure its more than one but i only know of california
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; not sure
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; i remmeber reading about the business of lethal injections
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; some firms make a killing off it
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; patents, I suppose
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; haha
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, the us decided ga chambers were not fashionable anymore
09:26 schestowitz[TR]; and the same with denying women the right to vote
09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; people dont think cancel culture is disproportionate or cruel
09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre either naive or sociopathic
09:26 TR News; "She didnt have the money to finish repairs on the home, which she couldnt afford to insure" https://www.propublica.org/article/lake-charles-waits-years-for-long-term-federal-aid | Source: Pro Publica
09:26 TR Bot; Lake Charles Still Waits for Long-Term Disaster Aid ProPublica
09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; the naive dont know any better, and the sociopaths dont care either way
09:27 TR News; More blackouts... because the country doesn't give a crap about the poor https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/18/first-hit-privatization-puerto-rico-total-blackout-fiona-makes-landfall | Source: Common Dreams
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; needless to say cancel culture draws in a lot of sociopaths
09:27 TR Bot; First Hit by Privatization, Puerto Rico in 'Total Blackout' as Fiona Makes Landfall
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; gives them an advantage in running things like the fsf...
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; or lieplanet, which runs the fsf
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> needless to say cancel culture draws in a lot of sociopaths
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; they get a thrill
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; shrill
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; post some lies
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; it also preys on the naive
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; like a sign on a door
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; and wait for outcome of the brigade
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; get rewarded in twitter "likes"
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; 80% of tem from Russian bots ;-)
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; a system of justice that rewards sociopaths disproportionately and preys on the naive
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; probably shouldnt be referred to as "justice" at all
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; more like "sadism for an alleged good cause"
09:28 TR News; "PyLint is actually good!" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/pylint-good-bad-ugly | Source: OpenSource.com
09:28 TR Bot; The good, the bad, and the ugly | Opensource.com
09:29 highest_cubist_thrills; sometimes the cause is good
09:29 highest_cubist_thrills; only the methods are bullshit
09:29 highest_cubist_thrills; stopping murder is good
09:29 highest_cubist_thrills; the death penalty may stop a few from murdering again
09:29 highest_cubist_thrills; it also murders a few itself
09:30 TR News; "While useful in managing your system, the command line is fraught with risks." https://www.tecmint.com/dangerous-linux-commands/ | Source: TecMint
09:30 TR Bot; Most Dangerous Commands - You Should Never Execute on Linux
09:30 highest_cubist_thrills; its also barbaric
09:31 TR News; "Even how to gain Linux driver functionality will be taught to you!" https://linuxtechlab.com/how-to-get-started-with-linux-a-beginners-guide/ | Source: LinuxTechLab
09:31 TR Bot; To Get Started With Linux: A Beginner's Guide - LinuxTechLab
09:32 highest_cubist_thrills; but seriously, when i hear arguments from death penalty advocates
09:32 highest_cubist_thrills; and cancel culture advocates
09:32 highest_cubist_thrills; the stakes may be higher with one than the other
09:32 highest_cubist_thrills; but the arguments sound roughly the same
09:32 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre trying to END a person
09:32 highest_cubist_thrills; simply by different degrees
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt really matter to them how many innocents suffer from it
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; but they will still play that angle in hopes of getting to do more of it
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; they say its to stop murder or bigotry
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; but it doesnt really do that
09:34 highest_cubist_thrills; imo education has done far more to stop bigotry
09:34 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe a small percentage of cancel culture and even rioting has helped
09:34 highest_cubist_thrills; so if a small percentage of it is actually needed
09:34 highest_cubist_thrills; then whatever, really
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; but thats a big if imo
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; and a large percentage is definitely doing far more harm than good
09:35 TR News; "someone suggested that having employers be able to restrict keys to machines they control is a bad thing. So here's why I think Bring Your Own Device (BYOD) scenarios are bad not only for employers, but also for users." Biologist pretends to be security guru again. Imposter. https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/61089.html
09:35 TR Bot; mjg59 | Bring Your Own Disaster
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; if a small percentage of it is actually needed <- this would be needed, HYPOTHETICALLY
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; to get the opportunity to even educate the public
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; what i mean is
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; it takes a shitload of fucking with people
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; to try to control everything they say
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; sometimes it does take a little bit of fucking with people
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; to get to speak for a cause that no one cared about before
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; so like if they had to shake shit up at nbc or something
09:37 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: And yet you talk about free software without having a degree in free software. Interesting.
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; and take down a few hypocrites with cancel culture tactics
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; if thats really necessary, i wouldnt care.
09:38 TR News; x supports free software. x also supports corporations controlling all the workers' devices, i.e. no freedom at all.
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; then once they have the platform they can use it to discuss rights that "no one" cared about before
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; but i do think education played most of the ACTUAL heroics
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; and censorship did very little to help
09:39 highest_cubist_thrills; they crow about its successes
09:39 highest_cubist_thrills; but people crow about mass surveillance too
09:39 highest_cubist_thrills; its illegal and no one can prove it works
09:39 highest_cubist_thrills; doesnt stop people from saying "FUCK YEAH! WE SPEND MORE THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD ON THAT!"
09:39 highest_cubist_thrills; and it does very little
09:40 TR News; Free software advocates: people should be in control of devices, not the other way around. Suckers to corporate money: corporations own their staff "100% of the time".
09:40 mjg59_; Users should be in control of their devices. Employers should be in control of their devices.
09:41 highest_cubist_thrills; its nearly that simple, maybe
09:41 highest_cubist_thrills; but there are obviously examples where that formula wont fly
09:41 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean
09:41 mjg59_; Users should never be forced to let employers control the user's device.
09:41 highest_cubist_thrills; employers own the toilets, they clearly have no right to put cameras in the toilets
09:41 highest_cubist_thrills; there are less absurd examples, but i think thats a reasonable place to start
09:42 mjg59_; Yeah, but that's something where we can actually draw meaningful boundaries
09:42 mjg59_; We know that when a user enters a bathroom, they're doing so with an expectation of privacy
09:42 highest_cubist_thrills; im against the sort of monitoring and conditioning amazon and ups use on their warehouse people and delivery people respectively
09:42 mjg59_; When a user enters a URL into a browser, we have no idea what their intent is
09:43 mjg59_; And the easiest way to solve that is to have two devices
09:43 highest_cubist_thrills; sadly
09:43 highest_cubist_thrills; its wasteful but it solves something
09:43 highest_cubist_thrills; you can end up with 3 phones that way
09:43 highest_cubist_thrills; work phone, personal work phone, actual personal phone
09:43 mjg59_; But the other thing is what happens if you *do* get hacked
09:44 TR News; UPDATE: Kernel prepatch 6.0-rc6 [LWN.net] https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Linux_6_0_rc6.shtml
09:44 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux 6.0-rc6 (UPDATED)
09:44 mjg59_; Your security team probably wants to look at what happened on the device
09:44 highest_cubist_thrills; of course
09:44 TR News; The above video and the latest IRS filing reveal that 'splinter group' SFC is increasingly about money (F for finance) instead of freedom http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/
09:44 mjg59_; But if it's your personal laptop that has all your existing login sessions, you don't want to hand it over
09:44 TR Bot; Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights
09:44 highest_cubist_thrills; from their pov thats completely reasonable
09:44 mjg59_; And that's bad for everyone
09:44 highest_cubist_thrills; right from the users pov that too is reasonable
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; i will do a video on this topic later
09:45 highest_cubist_thrills; should be amusing
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; yesterday went went past the royal eye hsopital
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; where I had given a talk to the staff... on security
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; when I was 22
09:45 mjg59_; So yeah there's an argument that it's wasteful
09:45 highest_cubist_thrills; it is wasteful
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; you are no sf advocate
09:45 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe its the best idea we have
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; you are a phony basically
09:45 highest_cubist_thrills; but its unquestionably wasteful
09:45 mjg59_; But if you give someone a laptop and say "This belongs to us, use it for work, we can see what you do when you're using it" then that means people know to do their personal stuff on another laptop
09:46 schestowitz[TR]; <mjg59_> Your security team probably wants to look at what happened on the device
09:46 schestowitz[TR]; and impose WINDOSWS on it
09:46 schestowitz[TR]; for "forensics"
09:46 mjg59_; ?
09:46 schestowitz[TR]; you miss the point totally and entirely
09:46 mjg59_; Er
09:46 schestowitz[TR]; you would also advocate proctoring and reootkits
09:46 schestowitz[TR]; for "security"
09:46 schestowitz[TR]; we need to spy on everything
09:46 schestowitz[TR]; for "security"
09:46 highest_cubist_thrills; his point would still apply in a world with only one operating system
09:46 schestowitz[TR]; you are like NSA
09:47 mjg59_; I've just been pretty clear that it's inappropriate to impose stuff on a user's own machine
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; I will do a video rebuttal later
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; this is like the ISO lunacy
09:47 highest_cubist_thrills; rebuttal of what
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; "security" certs (toilet paper)
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; just for a catalogue of serial numbers of devices
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; without checking what goes on them
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; tick-boxes
09:47 mjg59_; If I lend someone my laptop that doesn't mean they should have the freedom to do whatever they want to with it
09:48 highest_cubist_thrills; but if they have physical access...
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; security is not that
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; likle 'secure' boot
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; yeah, let NSA enabler Microsdoft
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; decideds if I can booot MY OS on MY device
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; that's NOT security
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; that's a security BREACH
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; it's NSA and Microsoft denying me access to my OWN device
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; biab
09:49 highest_cubist_thrills; its fun to watch the wheels turn
09:49 highest_cubist_thrills; if you listen closely enough you can hear the hamsters
09:49 mjg59_; Every x86 secure boot system shipped has allowed you to configure it to block Windows from booting but allow Linux to boot
09:49 highest_cubist_thrills; thats not a very realistic scenario though.
09:50 highest_cubist_thrills; the opposite is basically a predictable outcome
09:50 TR News; When a LACK of security gets redefined as "security" (a la NSA) you know you are dealing with career liars
09:50 highest_cubist_thrills; similarly, if you bloat a project to the point where only a large corporation can maintain it
09:50 highest_cubist_thrills; and dont make it separate parts that smaller teams can maintain
09:51 highest_cubist_thrills; you can predict the outcome of that, too
09:51 mjg59_; I've deployed systems that were explicitly configured so they'd run Linux but not Windows
09:51 TR News; Gulager: devices you own and control are a "DISASTER". FSF: give this man a Free Software Award!!
09:51 highest_cubist_thrills; that does not address the point i just made
09:51 highest_cubist_thrills; alternatively, my point did address the one you made
09:51 mjg59_; I don't think it's the common case
09:51 mjg59_; But the technology allows that
09:52 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
09:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
09:52 highest_cubist_thrills; you said that exactly 2 m,inutes ago
09:52 highest_cubist_thrills; Every x86 secure boot system shipped has allowed you to configure it to block Windows from booting but allow Linux to boot
09:52 mjg59_; Right I just want to disagree with the idea that the technology is inherently biased in one direction
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; ah
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; it allows = it isnt biased
09:53 TR News; "But once you start thinking about security, it gets more complicated." Esp. if you never studied CS and instead studied biology. Understanding security is... complicated.
09:53 mjg59_; I do agree that given commercial incentives there's an externally imposed bias
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; you can allow black people to rent in your neighbourhood
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; and still have a bias
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; even a bias against them renting there
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; with real results
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; but still allow blacks per se
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; i think this is a fair way to frame the results of what microsoft offered the world in terms of firmware
09:53 mjg59_; Yeah redlining is a real example of that sort of thing
09:54 highest_cubist_thrills; linux is welcome, we just need to run a few checks
09:54 TR News; RMS worked around passwords in MIT. Free Software Award winner: DISASTER!!
09:54 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe an even better metaphor is racially biased election fraud
09:55 highest_cubist_thrills; because theyre allowed to vote
09:55 TR News; Bill Gates sabotages computer networks. "Justice" warrior: no comment http://techrights.org/2013/01/24/bill-gates-and-viruses/
09:55 TR Bot; Bill Gates Uploaded a Virus he Had Written and Caused the Entire Network to Crash. | Techrights
09:55 highest_cubist_thrills; we just go to towns with lots of black people
09:55 highest_cubist_thrills; and make it considerably more difficult to vote
09:55 TR News; How Bill Gates Sabotaged PCs to Make Business http://techrights.org/2008/11/20/sabotaging-for-a-living/ hey, let's have this man CONTROL WHAT OS YOU CAN BOOT ON 'YOUR' MACHINE
09:56 TR Bot; How Bill Gates Sabotaged PCs to Make Business | Techrights
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; im certainly not saying microsoft is racist against gnu/linux
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; though it probably is
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2010/02/17/choice-versus-condition/
09:56 TR Bot; Nobody is Born a Microsoft Employee | Techrights
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; MS: not liking microsoft is racism
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; MS = Mark Shuttleworth
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; im saying that they make it much more difficult to do something people have a right to do
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; in a way that benefits one side more than the other
09:57 highest_cubist_thrills; and is clearly engineered for that purpose, while claiming to be something more innocuous or even noble
09:57 highest_cubist_thrills; secure boot is election fraud for your pc
09:57 highest_cubist_thrills; it disenfranchises free software users
09:57 highest_cubist_thrills; without completely stopping them
09:57 highest_cubist_thrills; what a wonderful feature
09:57 TR News; An X11 Apologist Tries Wayland https://artemis.sh/2022/09/18/wayland-from-an-x-apologist.html
09:57 TR Bot; An X11 Apologist Tries Wayland
09:59 highest_cubist_thrills; by the way, if we follow the republicans
09:59 highest_cubist_thrills; the next move is to say free software users are lazy
09:59 TR News; Banned in the USA https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/banned-in-the-usa/ | Source: Counter Punch
09:59 TR Bot; in the USA - CounterPunch.org
09:59 highest_cubist_thrills; which misses the point and reverses victim and offender
09:59 highest_cubist_thrills; but corporations do that every day
10:00 highest_cubist_thrills; if enough people are paying attention, they back off of that
10:00 highest_cubist_thrills; and simply fall back on "well we literally dont stop anyone from actually voting"
10:00 TR News; People who oppose BYOD are also the hotdesking boosters http://techrights.org/2022/06/23/epo-hot-desking/
10:00 TR Bot; EPO Management Behaves As If the Goal is to Shut Down and Outsource the Patent Office, Making a Monopolies Bank Instead or Having Rubber-Stamping With Kangaroo Courts Override the European Patent Convention (EPC) | Techrights
10:00 highest_cubist_thrills; "every vote was counted!"
10:01 highest_cubist_thrills; every vote, yes. every voter, no
10:01 highest_cubist_thrills; theres a nuance
10:02 TR News; GPS-RTK Raspberry Pi Hat https://linuxgizmos.com/gps-rtk-raspberry-pi-hat-offers-high-precision-positioning-in-real-time/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
10:02 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/gps-rtk-raspberry-pi-hat-offers-high-precision-positioning-in-real-time/ )
10:03 TR News; "pull request" is usually Microsoft term (GitHub), i.e. an attack on Git itself https://opensource.com/article/22/9/first-pull-request-merged | Source: OpenSource.com
10:03 TR Bot; got my first pull request merged! | Opensource.com
10:09 TR News; Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/
10:09 TR Bot; Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights
10:10 highest_cubist_thrills; when microsoft talks about "creating stickiness" theyre talking about election fraud for your computing
10:10 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, September 18, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/irc-log-180922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/irc-log-180922/
10:10 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, September 18, 2022 | Techrights
10:10 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome and freedesktop are experts on stickiness
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10:11 highest_cubist_thrills; probably from developers jerking users around all day
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10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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10:49 TR News; "Luca Goldmansour critiques corporate media's narratives about student debt relief." https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/18/corporate-media-is-trying-to-convince-people-student-debt-forgiveness-is-bad/ | Source: Scheerpost
10:49 TR Bot; Media Is Trying to Convince People Student Debt Forgiveness Is Bad scheerpost.com
10:49 TR News; "Mitchell Beer summarizes a report that reveals a green transition comes with huge savings" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/18/shift-from-fossils-to-renewables-will-save-12-trillion-by-2050/ | Source: Scheerpost
10:49 TR Bot; from Fossils to Renewables Will Save $12 Trillion by 2050 scheerpost.com
10:50 TR News; Robot https://hackaday.com/2022/09/18/robot-opens-master-combination-locks-in-less-than-a-minute/ | Source: Hackaday
10:50 TR Bot; Opens Master Combination Locks In Less Than A Minute | Hackaday
10:50 TR News; "If you have more than one pet, you may know how hard it is to tell how much each furry friend is eating." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/18/load-cells-to-get-the-right-pet-the-right-food/ | Source: Hackaday
10:50 TR Bot; Cells To Get The Right Pet The Right Food | Hackaday
10:56 TR News; Vacuum https://hackaday.com/2022/09/18/a-vacuum-pick-up-tool-for-not-a-lot/ | Source: Hackaday
10:56 TR Bot; Vacuum Pick Up Tool For Not A Lot | Hackaday
10:57 TR News; Banana Split https://hackaday.com/2022/09/18/banana-split-macropad-is-dessert-for-your-desk/ | Source: Hackaday
10:57 TR Bot; Split Macropad Is Dessert For Your Desk | Hackaday
10:57 TR News; Gerrymandering https://truthout.org/articles/black-voters-are-fighting-racial-gerrymandering-in-louisiana/ | Source: TruthOut
10:57 TR Bot; Black Voters Are Fighting Racial Gerrymandering in Louisiana
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 68.81 average k/sec., average swarm size 146.90
11:03 TR News; GAFAM https://truthout.org/articles/google-and-amazon-workers-demand-end-to-contract-that-fuels-israeli-apartheid/ | Source: TruthOut
11:03 TR Bot; Google and Amazon Workers Demand End to Contract That Fuels Israeli Apartheid
11:06 TR News; "In June 2022, accounts for the Sovereign Grant, which cover funds for the official monarch and the households official expenses, was 86.3 million for the 2021-22 year." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/royal-money-charles-iii-and-the-wealth-dimension/ | Source: Counter Punch
11:06 TR Bot; Money: Charles III and the Wealth Dimension - CounterPunch.org
11:07 TR News; Plunder https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/the-us-response-to-the-worlds-worst-humanitarian-crisis-seize-and-privatize/ | Source: Counter Punch
11:07 TR Bot; US Response to the Worlds Worst Humanitarian Crisis: Seize and Privatize - CounterPunch.org
11:09 TR News; (NEW): #HowTo Extract/Decompress a WAR File in Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/extract_war_file.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/extract_war_file.gmi
11:09 TR Bot; Tux Machines How to Extract/Decompress a WAR File in Linux
11:15 TR News; "This weekend sucked. I had absolutely no reason to be at the dance performance on Saturday (i.e. it was a huge waste of my time), Im dreading going to work because of my boss, and the cat dumped a glass of water on my laptop." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1663563557
11:17 TR News; Ochin Raspberry Pi CM4 carrier board is made for drones and robots - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/19/ochin-raspberry-pi-cm4-carrier-board-drones-robots/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/19/ochin-raspberry-pi-cm4-carrier-board-drones-robots/
11:17 TR Bot; Ochin Raspberry Pi CM4 carrier board is made for drones and robots - CNX Software
11:17 TR News; pg_activity 3.0.0 has been released https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_activity-300-has-been-released-2510/
11:17 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pg_activity 3.0.0 has been released
11:18 TR News; "Looking for tips and deep dives on Linux, including Red Hat Enterprise Linux? Red Hat Developer has a wide range of content for you. These are some of our favorite and most popular articles, cheat sheets, and lessons to help you get the most out of Linux, along with underlying tools like GCC and Linux-based platforms like Docker" https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/09/19/best-ways-learn-about-linux-red-hat-developer
11:18 TR Bot; Best ways to learn about Linux from Red Hat Developer | Red Hat Developer
11:19 TR News; OpenHarmony development board borrows BBC Micro:bit edge connector - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/19/openharmony-development-board-borrows-bbc-microbit-edge-connector/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/19/openharmony-development-board-borrows-bbc-microbit-edge-connector/
11:19 TR Bot; OpenHarmony development board borrows BBC Micro:bit edge connector - CNX Software
11:19 TR News; (NEW): 4 Best Free and Open Source Groovy Static Site Generators http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/4_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Groovy_Static_Site_Generators.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/4_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Groovy_Static_Site_Generators.gmi
11:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines 4 Best Free and Open Source Groovy Static Site Generators
11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
11:24 TR News; "This is a story that I have encountered myself. I wrote about it in my journal, but for reasons that should be clear when reading this, the public version will be censored somewhat. However, it is not necessary to tell the story." gemini://isoraqathedh.pollux.casa/names.gmi
11:25 TR News; ICBM Red Hat: banksters first! https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/updating-core-banking-strategy-9-lessons
11:25 TR Bot; Updating your core banking strategy: 9 lessons | The Enterprisers Project
11:25 TR News; ICBM Red Hat aiming for buzzwords, not substance https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/it-jobs-ai-roles
11:25 TR Bot; IT jobs: 3 essential AI roles to hire now | The Enterprisers Project
11:29 TR News; (NEW): 13 Free and Open Source Webpage and HTML editors http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/13_Free_and_Open_Source_Webpage_and_HTML_editors.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/13_Free_and_Open_Source_Webpage_and_HTML_editors.gmi
11:29 TR Bot; Tux Machines 13 Free and Open Source Webpage and HTML editors
11:29 TR News; (NEW): Open Hardware: OpenHarmony and Raspberry Pi http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/y.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/y.gmi
11:29 TR Bot; Tux Machines Open Hardware: OpenHarmony and Raspberry Pi
11:29 TR News; (NEW): Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi
11:29 TR Bot; Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
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11:36 TR News; Malicious lobbying group https://analyticsindiamag.com/shouldnt-linux-foundation-be-officially-present-in-india/ see how it misuses the "Linux" brand http://techrights.org/2022/08/28/linux-foundation-revenue-plunges/
11:36 TR Bot; Shouldn't Linux Foundation be Officially Present in India?
11:36 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Revenue Plunges ($18,000,000 Decrease in One Year) and Jim Zemlins Wife Has Her Company Sued for Securities Fraud (Class Action) | Techrights
11:38 TR News; Microsoft Teams deemed unsafe to use by security researchers https://www.androidpolice.com/microsoft-teams-desktop-keeps-auth-tokens-in-plaintext/ Source: Android Police "And it's really all Microsoft's own fault" http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_and_the_NSA
11:38 TR Bot; Microsoft Teams deemed unsafe to use by security researchers
11:38 TR Bot; Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights
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11:40 TR News; Now with extra restrictions https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/09/19/the-document-foundation-releases-libreoffice-on-apples-mac-app-store/
11:40 TR Bot; The Document Foundation releases LibreOffice on Apples Mac App Store - The Document Foundation Blog
11:47 TR News; SFC and LF are not "moderates". They are corporate front groups, sellouts, weapons against the community.
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11:57 TR News; http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/pgactivity-3-0-0-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/pgactivity-3-0-0-released/
11:57 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/pgactivity-3-0-0-released/ )
11:58 TR News; Links 19/09/2022: pg_activity 3.0.0 Released, Microsoft Teams a Security Hole http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/pg_activity-3-0-0-released/
11:58 TR Bot; Links 19/09/2022: pg_activity 3.0.0 Released, Microsoft Teams a Security Hole | Techrights
11:58 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_leftovers.gmi
11:58 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
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12:31 mixling; ohh, nice, gentoo already got an ebuild for app-editors/vis
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12:32 mixling; it's gonna be a good day today
12:33 mixling; whenever i can remove some hundreds of thousands of lines of code
12:40 mixling; and lua-support is optional too with vis, i'll enable it
12:43 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Android_Leftovers.gmi
12:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
12:47 mixling; vis editor supports an alternative implementation of POSIX regex, instead of libpcre/2: dev-libs/tre
12:48 mixling; didn't know that existed, had not ever seen this pulled into as dependency by anythin yet, it was always libpcre
12:48 mixling; there seems to be an entire eco-system flourishing somewhere, which isn't neither BSD nor GNU
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; just did a 36-min rebuttal to https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/61089.html
12:49 TR Bot; mjg59 | Bring Your Own Disaster
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; fake security is a religion now
12:52 mixling; i say this to mjg59_: i'll roll-back to linux-2.4, gimme some opensource FSF endorsed hardware please
12:53 mixling; so we together can inspect it's internals, to avoid security problems with it
12:55 mixling; good for him, i am not employed by german ministry of the interior or military here
12:56 mixling; i would reject all IBM MICROS~1 Wintel gear
12:56 mixling; insted of relying on vendors and their promises, i defined minimum acceptance criteria, vendor-independent(!), and see any supplier match those criteria
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 74.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 134.71
13:04 mixling; the argument from mjg59_ implies, the employers (RAND Corp. Pentagon) and their hardware weren't the security threat themselves to me
13:05 mixling; it is, what they, "made in USA" "five eyes" provided me with, it's what's heavily compromised
13:06 mixling; besides, the entire bureaucratic apparatus here arranged well, i wasn't employed
13:06 mixling; mjg59_: thank you
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; being compromised is part of that secuity
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; "security" means the "trusted ones" control you
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; that's security
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; imperialism spun as "national security"
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; "war on terror';
13:08 mixling; the good news about this: all this shitware "made in USA", they cannot roll-back anymore to any decent state 20 years ago
13:09 mixling; because they would loose their entire user-base and developers
13:09 mixling; however, i can do it
13:09 mixling; hence, mjg59_ has to live with heavily compromised systems they produced themselves, to enjoy their live with, as developer
13:10 mixling; i am at the liberty, not to
13:10 mixling; as I said, if the former soviet east-german semiconductor business had not been wrecked by the "liberation" in 1990
13:11 mixling; i had disconnected internet already, and anjoy my live as scientist in a library somewhere, outside the shitty city ghettos they created almost everywhere
13:13 schestowitz[TR]; in east germany?
13:13 schestowitz[TR]; didn't east germany outsourced ghettos to the east
13:14 schestowitz[TR]; *outsource
13:14 TR News; (NEW): #HowTo Limit the HTTP Bandwidth in NGINX http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/limit_http_bandwidth.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/limit_http_bandwidth.gmi
13:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines How to Limit the HTTP Bandwidth in NGINX
13:14 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: the city ghettos were established in the west
13:15 mixling; in east-germany/soviet-area; depends, Leipzig was one of the most heavily polluted cities on the plants
13:15 mixling; this is where i grew up, the last remaining best breed of cold-war
13:16 mixling; however, after 1990, i did believe it, all this propaganda rubbish of "freedom", which FSF perpetuates with their propaganda
13:16 mixling; not anymore, obviously
13:17 mixling; *planet
13:17 TR News; Holiday Inn Parent Company Hacked Through Weak Password https://www.maketecheasier.com/holiday-inn-hacked-weak-password/
13:17 TR Bot; Holiday Inn Parent Company Hacked Through Weak Password - Make Tech Easier
13:17 TR News; Where to download Parrot OS 5 Home Edition https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-install-parrot-os-5-home-edition/
13:17 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-install-parrot-os-5-home-edition/ )
13:19 TR News; "The couple, going by the name of TeaPea, reached the BBC through Telegram and supplied screenshots, which IHG confirmed were authentic, that showed them gaining access to ICGs Outlook emails, Microsoft Teams chats, and server directories." https://www.maketecheasier.com/holiday-inn-hacked-weak-password/
13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
13:22 mixling; however, i throw them all into the same bag: FSF, SFC, GNU, BSD, IBM, GAFAM "made in USA" and their minions
13:22 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: do you remember why east-germans protested on the streets in 1989?
13:24 mixling; the mass-surveillance of the secret service apparatus, and the population held captive by the government
13:24 mixling; i mean, the electronics which were produced in east-germany, had never been as heavily tapped for spying than what mjg59_ and FSF "endorse" nowadays as "free"
13:26 mixling; of cause, FSF award isn't a Stasi badge of honor
13:27 mixling; mjg59_: don't worry, i can't bring my own hardware, because east-german semiconductors are defunct
13:28 mixling; and, i haven't got access to precious NVA weapons stockpiles either, otherwise IBM Wintel Pentagon offices in east-germany were set on fire already
13:34 MinceR; 19 085129 < geert> that you probably not become as old and inflexible as mincer seem sometimes :)
13:34 MinceR; at the current tech level, you'll either become old or die young
13:34 schestowitz[TR]; like babies with cancer
13:34 mixling; needless to say, i am not an employee of yours, mjg59_, hence there is no need for any UEFI remote-shell connected to pentagon
13:35 schestowitz[TR]; germany rejected securt e b oot
13:35 schestowitz[TR]; pn the grounds of nationalk security
13:35 schestowitz[TR]; US can remoately brick all PCs in Germany
13:35 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2012/11/29/uefi-insecurity/
13:35 TR Bot; UEFI Apologists Versus Germanys Government Judgment on UEFI Insecurity | Techrights
13:35 MinceR; 19 083348 < geert> well e.g. try get mincer educated as an example
13:36 MinceR; yeah, just tell me that all my experiences were illusions and see if i laugh at you
13:36 MinceR; 19 084650 < highest_cubist_thrills> someday, probably, russia will be communist again too
13:37 MinceR; well, if russia doesn't get destroyed, it will probably become a colony of red china, i.e. "communist"
13:37 TR News; Share files from your PC to your Steam Deck with this quick tutorial - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=x4_Sexd1UAw | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/x4_Sexd1UAw
13:38 TR Bot; Share files from your PC to your Steam Deck with this quick tutorial - Invidious
13:38 TR News; But NSA is anti-security and pro-back doors (which it hilariously redefines as "security" https://containerjournal.com/features/nsa-security-best-practices-for-kubernetes/
13:38 TR Bot; NSA Security Best Practices for Kubernetes - Container Journal
13:39 TR News; WP Briefing: Episode 39: Contributor Stories Live from WordCamp US! https://wordpress.org/news/2022/09/episode-39-contributor-stories-live-from-wordcamp-us/
13:39 TR Bot; Episode 39: Contributor Stories Live from WordCamp US! WordPress News
13:39 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: maybe putin wants to borrow some chinese tanks
13:40 schestowitz[TR]; originally modelled based on soviet designs
13:40 schestowitz[TR]; russia used to have skilled engineers, so did hungary
13:40 schestowitz[TR]; they left
13:40 schestowitz[TR]; turns out communism puts off people
13:41 TR News; Large-Scale Collection of Cell Phone Data at US Borders - Schneier on Security https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/09/large-scale-collection-of-cell-phone-data-at-us-borders.html Source: Bruce Schneier ... people should NOT carry such appliances across borders!
13:41 TR Bot; Collection of Cell Phone Data at US Borders - Schneier on Security
13:41 MinceR; they knew that
13:41 TR News; "U.S. government officials are adding data from as many as 10,000 electronic devices each year to a massive database theyve compiled from cellphones, iPads and computers seized from travelers at the countrys airports, seaports and border crossings, the Washington Post reports." https://politicalwire.com/2022/09/15/customs-officials-have-copied-americans-phone-data/
13:41 TR Bot; Customs Officials Have Copied Americans Phone Data
13:41 MinceR; that's why they built the berlin wall and the iron curtain
13:42 TR News; Large-Scale Collection of Cell Phone Data at US Borders https://gizmodo.com/border-patrol-surveillance-cell-data-no-warrants-1849540504
13:42 TR Bot; Border Agents Surveil Americans' Phones Without Warrants: Wyden
13:42 TR News; Security 'pros' who carry around 'smart' phones are not smart
13:43 geert; MinceR > it kind of add to this: < highest_cubist_thrills> but lets enter mincer mode < highest_cubist_thrills> whats the point of this?
13:43 geert; so it wasnt to nullify the experience you got
13:43 TR News; Intel buys voting power https://krita.org/en/item/intel-becomes-first-krita-development-fund-corporate-gold-patron/
13:43 geert; more like if one would ask 'whats the point' of certain stances, to say e.g. 'to educate mincer'
13:43 TR Bot; Intel Becomes First Krita Development Fund Corporate Gold Patron | Krita
13:44 geert; well even if it would be incorrect you might have gotten information from it like who would hold incorrect opinions as an example
13:44 geert; so maybe its better if one would get to state 'to TRY get mincer educated'
13:44 TR News; [PATCH V4] LoongArch: Add ACPI-based generic laptop driver https://lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/20220919021540.2873061-1-chenhuacai@loongson.cn/T/#u Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/20220919021540.2873061-1-chenhuacai@loongson.cn/T/#u
13:44 TR Bot; [PATCH V4] LoongArch: Add ACPI-based generic laptop driver
13:45 TR News; Intel pushing Microsoft shit into Linux kernel. Proprietary Github and Rust. https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/20220919.103820.680182888079022491.fujita@lima-default/
13:45 TR Bot; Rust e1000 driver (Intel Ethernet adapter) - FUJITA Tomonori
13:46 TR News; Top 5 Best Thermal Camera Apps for Android in 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-thermal-camera-apps-for-android/ Source: Ubuntu Pit | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntupit.com/best-thermal-camera-apps-for-android/
13:46 TR Bot; Top 5 Best Thermal Camera Apps for Android in 2022
13:46 TR News; [PULL] drm-intel-next - Jani Nikula https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/87o7vfr064.fsf@intel.com/ Source: intel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/87o7vfr064.fsf@intel.com/
13:46 TR Bot; [PULL] drm-intel-next - Jani Nikula
13:47 TR News; [PATCH v3 0/7] Fixups for s2idle on various Rembrandt laptops - Mario Limonciello https://lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/20220916182609.3039-1-mario.limonciello@amd.com/ Source: amd | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/20220916182609.3039-1-mario.limonciello@amd.com/
13:47 TR Bot; [PATCH v3 0/7] Fixups for s2idle on various Rembrandt laptops - Mario Limonciello
13:57 TR News; (NEW): Firefox 105 Is Now Available for Download, Brings Better Performance on Linux Systems http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Firefox_105_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Firefox_105_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.gmi
13:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines Firefox 105 Is Now Available for Download, Brings Better Performance on Linux Systems
14:05 TR News; Software Freedom is Not a Disaster and Those Who Oppose B.Y.O.D. Are a Monarchs Dream | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/disastrous-security-arguments/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/disastrous-security-arguments/
14:05 TR Bot; Software Freedom is Not a Disaster and Those Who Oppose B.Y.O.D. Are a Monarchs Dream | Techrights
14:18 TR News; [Meme] Only Fools and Horses Work for Microsoft Without a Salary | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/only-fools-and-horses-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/only-fools-and-horses-microsoft/
14:18 TR Bot; [Meme] Only Fools and Horses Work for Microsoft Without a Salary | Techrights
14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
14:23 TR News; "Not my king" implies that another king can or should exist. "Not accepting kings" would be a clearer statement, but social control media giants (like Twitter, owned partly by the Saudi ROYAL family) control hashes and tags, trends and visibility.
14:36 TR News; Slashdot Adding Microsoft GitHub to All Linux Pages in Order to Shill Proprietary Code Hosting | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/slashdot-github/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/slashdot-github/
14:36 TR Bot; Slashdot Adding Microsoft GitHub to All Linux Pages in Order to Shill Proprietary Code Hosting | Techrights
14:56 TR News; Our New Unelected Queen is Liz Trump (TruSS), Selected Undemocratically by About 1 in 1,000 Brits (0.1%) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/19/liz-trump/
14:56 TR Bot; Blog Archive Our New Unelected Queen is Liz Trump (TruSS), Selected Undemocratically by About 1 in 1,000 Brits (0.1%)
14:59 mixling; dynamically linked: vis ~0.2MiB, Vim ~2Mib ... i'll see soon, how this affects functionality of an editor
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 158.98 average k/sec., average swarm size 125.71
14:59 mixling; seems vis builds upon sam editor: "Sam is the preferred text editor of several eminent programmers. It was the first full screen editor Ken Thompson liked"
15:00 mixling; "... used by Bjarne Stroustrup, Brian Kernighan, Douglas McIlroy and Tom Duff"
15:01 mixling; gathered some notable prominence i see
15:02 mixling; meanwhile GNU EMACS and Vim slay each other with bloat...
15:02 mixling; statically linked vis editor accumulates ~400KiB in size, not bad, i haven't integrated lua yet and the pcre library, won't make that big difference
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; and gnu nano?
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; if it's still gnu
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; going back and forth
15:03 mixling; vis is a modal editor, just like Vim
15:04 mixling; the problem at that frontline is/was, the implementation variants of Vi, and vis fits into a niche
15:06 TR News; We have our own orange one now and she is also a flamboyant COVIDiot https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/19/liz-trump/ soon we have two dictators, not one, whom nobody voter for. We're still monarchy, not democracy. It was the same with Brexitnaro (Borisnaro).
15:06 mixling; nvi is the one from BSD, which got problems with it's dependency graph; not to mention Vim
15:06 mixling; and Elvis had not got unicode support, hence it was abandoned
15:06 TR News; Mr. Shim (Matthew Garrett, Microsoft 'asset') is telling us that people owning the electronic devices they use at work is a disaster http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/disastrous-security-arguments/
15:07 TR News; Were meant to think that Microsoft controlling the computers of BSD and GNU/Linux users means greater safety and security; to some people, April 1st is every day http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/only-fools-and-horses-microsoft/
15:07 TR News; Slashdot used to be a pro-GNU/Linux site; now its run by very different people, but many make wrong assumptions about what the site actually is http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/slashdot-github/
15:08 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: emacs is entangled with LISP, which i must admit i have never programmed with
15:09 mixling; hence this raises another question, the importance/relevance of lisp
15:09 mixling; i do know, the GNU following, in particular RMS, appreciate lisp very much
15:09 schestowitz[TR]; h e programmed in the 70s
15:09 schestowitz[TR]; it was the c of the time
15:10 mixling; with regards to lisp, it is emacs itself, which scares me away from it, lisp itself
15:11 TR News; Linux for Beginners - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=10f4899srvc | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/10f4899srvc
15:11 TR Bot; Linux for Beginners - Invidious
15:12 mixling; because, such a system, got a steep learning curve, and once a developer gets accustomed to such a system, departing is too a psychological issue
15:12 mixling; and emacs itself is that heavily entangled with what i want do detangle from: gnu-buildystem and gnu-toolchain
15:12 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi
15:13 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
15:13 mixling; and then, GNU is not Unix, as we all know
15:14 schestowitz[TR]; mixling is not activelow
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15:18 mixling; seems to me, the vis/oasis-linux gathering, is a grassroots movement, outside the scope of both BSD and GNU
15:19 mixling; their workflow, is different, from the beginning, assuming the development workflow remains 100% source-based
15:19 mixling; hence, for example, key-bindings of vis editor are configured inside a header file, for the sake of simplicity and mental health
15:19 mixling; same with many other suckless.org components
15:19 TR News; Testing the toolchain with GNU poke: assembling RISC-V instructions - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=n09mhw4-m_E | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/n09mhw4-m_E
15:19 TR Bot; Testing the toolchain with GNU poke: assembling RISC-V instructions - Invidious
15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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15:20 mixling; GNU/GNOME/Debian however, their development and system-integration by design implies binary-distribution, and an administer not compiling the software used
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15:20 TR News; Installation and First Look at Salix OS - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4DF4IMr96No | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/4DF4IMr96No
15:20 TR Bot; Installation and First Look at Salix OS - Invidious
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15:21 DaemonFC; mjg59_ has selectively quoted me to all of his 3 human followers on his Shitter bot farm.
15:21 DaemonFC; LOL
15:22 MinceR; will they cancel you?
15:22 DaemonFC; I hope nobody tells mjg59_ (who does dealings with racists, immigrant bashers, Trump supporters, transphobes, and homophobes, and criminals and rapists at Microsoft) about South Park.
15:22 DaemonFC; He'll explode with impotent rage.
15:24 DaemonFC; MinceR: mjg59_ would have liked for DrPizza (who also identified as a leftist before going to prison for trying to arrange to rape a 9 year old girl) to join him, but DrPizza is in prison. DrPizza also wanted Roy to cancel me. I'm sure Peter would have gotten along famously with Matthew Garrett.
15:24 MinceR; indeed
15:26 DaemonFC; DrPizza was on "Linsux" newsgroups bashing me for criticizing Microsoft. Back in 2009, I think?
15:26 DaemonFC; He attacked me for criticizing Microsoft "PlayReady" DRM, which was in their TV tuner software.
15:27 DaemonFC; It refused to record AMC, which had flagged itself as "Premium Content", making the DVR functionality in Windows useless.
15:27 DaemonFC; "Oh, Windows has a DVR...." - Microsoft
15:28 DaemonFC; They forgot to mention that Windows Media Center refused to record anything flagged as "premium", so there were entire channels, even on basic cable, that you couldn't DVR, unless you bought some other DVR software that didn't pay attention to that flag.
15:29 DaemonFC; mjg59_ appears to willingly ignore the operative part of the sentence he quoted.
15:29 DaemonFC; That a person who pours gasoline on themselves and sets themselves on fire was probably very mentally ill.
15:30 DaemonFC; I struggle to think of a person operating correctly, or even somewhat close to it, who would light themselves on fire.
15:30 mixling; every day the same, DaemonFC awakes, lures out of his mole-hole, and an instant later throws mud at mr. mathew
15:30 DaemonFC; Especially over what some goddamned Internet troll says.
15:30 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is an Internet troll, but I've dealt with worse.
15:31 TR News; (NEW): The Steam Decks Sales Pitch for Japan: It Could Have Been Better, To Say the Least http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/The_Steam_Deck_s_Sales_Pitch_for_Japan_It_Could_Have_Been_Bette.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/The_Steam_Deck_s_Sales_Pitch_for_Japan_It_Could_Have_Been_Bette.gmi
15:31 TR Bot; Tux Machines The Steam Decks Sales Pitch for Japan: It Could Have Been Better, To Say the Least
15:31 DaemonFC; I had Peter Staley commit telephone harassment until he burned himself out because I mentioned that he's just a drug company advertiser now.
15:32 DaemonFC; That was about 14-15 years ago I think. I just left the phone off the hook for a few days. I only had the phone because you had to have a phone to have DSL at that time.
15:32 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Security_Leftovers.gmi
15:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
15:32 TR News; (NEW): Videos: Salix OS, GNU poke, Steam Deck, Linux for Beginners, and WordPress http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Videos_Salix_OS_GNU_poke_Steam_Deck_Linux_for_Beginners_and_Wor.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Videos_Salix_OS_GNU_poke_Steam_Deck_Linux_for_Beginners_and_Wor.gmi
15:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Salix OS, GNU poke, Steam Deck, Linux for Beginners, and WordPress
15:32 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> mjg59_ has selectively quoted me to all of his 3 human followers on his Shitter bot farm.
15:32 schestowitz[TR]; his parents are not bots
15:33 schestowitz[TR]; from what I saw, many of his followers are Microsoft
15:33 schestowitz[TR]; or bots, de facto drones, working for Microsoft
15:33 DaemonFC; Is there some good reason why three whole alleged people killed themselves over what some fat slobs living in their parents' basements, who don't matter, said about them on some stupid Web forum?
15:33 schestowitz[TR]; didn't know microsoft peter was on linsux
15:33 DaemonFC; I say alleged people because of the fact that two of them haven't been proven to exist.
15:33 schestowitz[TR]; maybe there is a strong correlation between people who hate linux and who hate adults... prefer to rape kids
15:34 DaemonFC; They are just pseudonyms who we have to accept killed themselves, according to mjg59_ even though there's no citation linking them to an actual person.
15:34 DaemonFC; The one person we know existed committed suicide by setting himself on fire.
15:34 schestowitz[TR]; epo caused many suicides
15:34 DaemonFC; Which I said is something that a mentally ill person might do.
15:34 schestowitz[TR]; like 8 in a few yeras
15:34 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ exposes EPO all the time
15:34 schestowitz[TR]; for causing people to commit suicide
15:34 schestowitz[TR]; with the corruption
15:34 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ is a social justice warrior
15:34 schestowitz[TR]; writes about sofwtare patents
15:35 schestowitz[TR]; Red hat and Gulag probably made him apply for such patents LOL
15:35 schestowitz[TR]; check uspto for his name
15:35 schestowitz[TR]; see how many software patenes he has
15:36 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> Which I said is something that a mentally ill person might do.
15:36 schestowitz[TR]; one peoi employee did it
15:36 schestowitz[TR]; worked in epo administratinopn
15:36 schestowitz[TR]; it was on german tv
15:36 schestowitz[TR]; caused by bad management
15:37 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ wrote about it
15:37 schestowitz[TR]; of course he did
15:37 schestowitz[TR]; he is "social justice warrior" by his own description
15:37 DaemonFC; Maybe he can petition Clownflare to quit hosting them.
15:37 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
15:37 schestowitz[TR]; epo is sexist
15:37 schestowitz[TR]; too
15:37 schestowitz[TR]; but
15:38 schestowitz[TR]; nnaaa... bill gates
15:38 schestowitz[TR]; womaniser
15:38 schestowitz[TR]; remember when rms had nude pool parties?
15:38 schestowitz[TR]; oh wait
15:38 schestowitz[TR]; trhat was not rms
15:38 DaemonFC; I always thought it was funny that an American company hosts the FBI and the Taliban and Child Pornography Web sites.
15:38 DaemonFC; Nothing happens to them.
15:38 schestowitz[TR]; https://nypost.com/2021/05/10/bill-gates-womanizer-held-nude-pool-parties-biographer/
15:38 TR Bot; Bill Gates 'womanizer,' held nude pool parties: biographer
15:38 DaemonFC; They just say, "Hey dude, we're just the web host!".
15:38 schestowitz[TR]; rms has a mattress at his office
15:38 schestowitz[TR]; the MFer!!
15:38 schestowitz[TR]; seleeping in his ooffice
15:38 schestowitz[TR]; he gets tired
15:38 schestowitz[TR]; from the coding and activism
15:39 schestowitz[TR]; wants to sleep
15:39 schestowitz[TR]; while mjg59_ is busy at foss events
15:40 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-ASI-2022-Linux-Dev
15:40 TR Bot; Working To Make Linux Safer For Cars, Robots & Other Safety Critical Environments - Phoronix
15:40 schestowitz[TR]; marketing material
15:40 schestowitz[TR]; of nvidia
15:40 schestowitz[TR]; just copy of the brochures!
15:40 DaemonFC; I wonder what mjg59_'s "partner" thinks about him "not missing out".
15:40 schestowitz[TR]; and then slides
15:40 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: it's OK
15:40 schestowitz[TR]; as long as he uses the correct pronoun
15:41 schestowitz[TR]; promiscuous people are too hypocritical to berate others over it
15:41 schestowitz[TR]; that's why they pick on rms
15:41 schestowitz[TR]; for total bs
15:41 schestowitz[TR]; and falsehoods
15:41 DaemonFC; I wonder if mjg59_ just treats his "partner" like John treated me. Abusively. Or if his partner is as much of a perverted degenerate as mjg59_ is.
15:42 TR News; Red Hat Customer Portal recognized by the Association of Support Professionals as one the Best Support Websites of 2022 https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-customer-portal-recognized-association-support-professionals-one-best-support-websites-2022 Source: Red Hat Official
15:42 TR Bot; Red Hat Customer Portal recognized by the Association of Support Professionals as one the Best Support Websites of 2022
15:43 TR News; Introduction to Nim language https://bkhome.org/news/202209/introduction-to-nim-language.html
15:43 TR Bot; Introduction to Nim language
15:43 mixling; that's why, i reject DaemonFC, he is crossing the line to insults and defamation
15:43 TR News; Conan package manager pilot to end in December https://www.qt.io/blog/conan-package-manager-pilot-to-end-in-december Source: Qt (proprietary) :/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/conan-package-manager-pilot-to-end-in-december
15:43 TR Bot; Conan package manager pilot to end in December
15:43 DaemonFC; I'm just pointing out that mjg59_ is a degenerate, not the morals police.
15:44 schestowitz[TR]; there is a term for it
15:44 schestowitz[TR]; it's something about guilt
15:44 schestowitz[TR]; like, you work on really awful projects
15:44 DaemonFC; For a sleazy lech who pals around with sex criminals at Microsoft?
15:45 schestowitz[TR]; and then you claim to do charity
15:45 schestowitz[TR]; or "social justice" something
15:45 schestowitz[TR]; to distract from or counter-balance the evil
15:46 DaemonFC; I do have some vices, oh yes, but committing adultery is not one of them, much less bragging about doing it.
15:46 TR News; The Different Token Types and Formats Explained - The New Stack https://thenewstack.io/the-different-token-types-and-formats-explained/ Source: The New Stack | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//thenewstack.io/the-different-token-types-and-formats-explained/
15:46 TR Bot; The Different Token Types and Formats Explained - The New Stack
15:47 DaemonFC; Interestingly, the bible never mentions "trans" people at all, much less what to do with them, much less that there even is such a thing.
15:47 TR News; A journey in the RTC subsystem - Bootlin's blog https://bootlin.com/blog/a-journey-in-the-rtc-subsystem/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bootlin.com/blog/a-journey-in-the-rtc-subsystem/
15:47 TR Bot; journey in the RTC subsystem - Bootlin's blog
15:47 DaemonFC; Amusingly, the closest it gets is saying that men with missing genitals can't enter the temple.
15:48 schestowitz[TR]; the bible is no morality book anyway
15:48 schestowitz[TR]; nor a science book
15:49 DaemonFC; The New Testament doesn't list out homosexuality as any sort of crime or offense.
15:49 TR News; BCDEJTO Wordo: AIRED gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-09-19.gmi
15:50 DaemonFC; I always thought it was interesting that Christians go to "The book we don't live by. It's just there for prologue." to get at that.
15:50 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Catholic_Church_and_homosexuality?wprov=srpw1_0
15:50 TR Bot; History of the Catholic Church and homosexuality - Wikipedia
15:50 schestowitz[TR]; In October 2016, Francis said that "When a person (who is gay) arrives before Jesus, Jesus certainly will not say, 'Go away because you are homosexual'"
15:50 schestowitz[TR]; the church changes its stance
15:50 schestowitz[TR]; to keep up with the times
15:51 schestowitz[TR]; it also removed some people for the whole "kid fucking" AND covering it up affairs..
15:51 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, jesus is said to have slept with another m,an, but just slept in same bed
15:52 schestowitz[TR]; unless that man was ioerror, then fine
15:52 schestowitz[TR]; tbh, I never slept in a bed with another guy, except maybe dad
15:52 schestowitz[TR]; and I was a kid
15:52 schestowitz[TR]; kids have bad dream sometimes
15:53 schestowitz[TR]; at the very least a shared room can be "double room", i.e. two beds
15:53 schestowitz[TR]; they are almost always the same price as one large bed
15:53 schestowitz[TR]; "twin"
15:54 DaemonFC; The Catholic Church helped us get Mandy's immigration case on file before Donald Trump's new regulations hit.
15:54 DaemonFC; Someone asked why I went to the Catholics. I said I'd shake hands with the devil if I thought it would help things along.
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15:56 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]: They don't fit in with the times, so they age and then the churches empty out.
15:56 DaemonFC; No money, file bankruptcy against Kathy's pension.
15:56 TR News; Rockstar Games [Cracked] | GTA 6 Videos Leaked - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=76bety1AOHg | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/76bety1AOHg
15:56 DaemonFC; Thou Shalt Not Lie!
15:56 TR Bot; Rockstar Games Hacked | GTA 6 Videos Leaked - Invidious
15:57 DaemonFC; Hey Kathy, work for us. The pay isn't the best but you'll get a terrific pension!
15:57 DaemonFC; Thous Shalt Not Steal!
15:57 DaemonFC; *files bankruptcy and screws Kathy*
15:57 mixling; DaemonFC: how had this been a case if you are the partner of mandy (whoever it is)
15:58 mixling; had he been, Many, denied working in USA?
15:58 TR News; "Many of the Puppy old-timers will remember Vincent. My daughter and partner had two little dogs, Vincent and April. Vincent became the mascot for some Puppy-derivatives, and also the avatar for some members on the old Puppy Forum." https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=6835
15:58 mixling; Mandy
15:58 TR Bot; Vincent has died, age 16 - Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
15:58 DaemonFC; You can't work on a student visa, except maybe on campus with DHS permission.
15:59 TR News; "Vincent was a logo and avatar in Puppy Linux. Died at age 16, over 110 in human years!" https://bkhome.org/news/202209/vincent-has-died-age-16.html
15:59 TR Bot; Vincent has died age 16
15:59 mixling; DaemonFC: and this student visa restriction was introduced by Trump?
15:59 DaemonFC; So when you adjust status, you still can't work until they get around to issuing you an Employment Authorization Document, which is a plastic card that says you're able to legally work.
15:59 DaemonFC; mixlingDaemonFC: and this student visa restriction was introduced by Trump?
15:59 DaemonFC; No, not that particular one.
16:00 mixling; DaemonFC: does Mandy study still?
16:00 DaemonFC; Trump had them come up with a form called I-944 (iirc). It's like filing bankruptcy, except totally different. It's as complicated as a bankruptcy filing, but you have to use it to PROVE you will NEVER use a welfare program if they let you in, which was designed to be nearly impossible.
16:01 DaemonFC; So we had to beat that filing deadline or else file I-944, in which case they could presume we'd eventually use welfare even though we didn't, and haven't.
16:01 DaemonFC; Nice, huh?
16:01 DaemonFC; I-944 was ended by the Biden Administration.
16:01 DaemonFC; But it would have been too late to help us.
16:01 mixling; probably because, it is impossible in principle, to avoid social security with any guarantee
16:02 DaemonFC; Yeah, so "prove you'll never use it" is an impossibly high bar.
16:02 DaemonFC; Under the old one, it was "they have to prove you're more likely than not to use it based on the totality of the circumstances".
16:02 mixling; it's funny how, the same people, loot and plunder my income though, to prove anything
16:02 DaemonFC; And it covered fewer programs.
16:02 mixling; not it had anything to do with me personally
16:03 DaemonFC; mjg59_ didn't have to worry about I-944 because like the GirlsDoPorn rapist, he just flashed money and they let him through.
16:03 DaemonFC; The US is as corrupt as any other country where some people can just buy citizenship while they create every problem they can think of for most anyone else.
16:04 DaemonFC; The US doesn't technically "sell" citizenship as such. There are immigration processing fees, but those are basically there to make USCIS self-sufficient, like the Post Office.
16:05 DaemonFC; When I say people like mjg59_ and the GirldDoPorn Rapist buy their citizenship, what I mean is the government sees that they'll get tax money and then it doesn't give them a hard time like it does for people who truly need asylum here because if they go home, they'll be murdered.
16:06 DaemonFC; So he's an "American of convenience" and they don't hassle him because his checks to the IRS clear.
16:06 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is a symptom of the higher education problem the Democrats have allowed to brew.
16:07 DaemonFC; Instead of educating our own citizens, they just dole out Immigration visas so tech and other companies can import workers.
16:07 DaemonFC; He's a symbol of the Democratic Party's treachery against real Americans.
16:08 DaemonFC; The Democrats cause a lot of poverty and suicides while they sneer at people who could have been more had their own country invested anything into them.
16:08 DaemonFC; But the poverty serves them too.
16:08 DaemonFC; By keeping people down and on welfare programs, they keep them dependent on government to pay their bills so that they can't vote for anyone else.
16:09 mixling; it's irelevant whom to vote for
16:09 DaemonFC; Like schestowitz[TR] gets at, they're not necessarily better than Republicans, just different.
16:10 DaemonFC; Joe Biden solved one problem I was having. That USCIS was being much more difficult than the law required them to be.
16:10 DaemonFC; He created many others. Like 25% annual inflation.
16:11 DaemonFC; If his party loses at least the US House of Representatives, there won't be a lot of inflation after that because these trillion dollar weekly spending plans will stop.
16:12 DaemonFC; They've gotten to the point where the baseline budget is over $7 trillion, but then they pass a bunch of others that dump weapons into Ukraine to harass Russia with, that aren't in the budget.
16:12 DaemonFC; Or a trillion dollars to give to losers who studied bullshit at "college".
16:13 DaemonFC; Or bailouts for Tesla.
16:14 mixling; add to this budget, the influx of foreign cash, funneld through by NATO contributions, German chancellor Schols said "We owe our ally"
16:14 mixling; same with Tesla, and their "carbon certificates", it's alot of german cash too dumped into this
16:15 mixling; not accounted for with Biddlers budget
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16:15 mixling; let me say, NATO/USA isn't my ally
16:15 MinceR; we know, vladolf is your ally
16:15 mixling; and i am not an employer of RAND corp Pentagon either, for mjg59_ to inject his UEFI spyware into my systems
16:15 MinceR; an "ally" who will happily sacrifice you if it's convenient to him.
16:16 mixling; *employee
16:16 mixling; MinceR: i don't consider Vlad an ally either
16:16 mixling; and i don't owe him nor Ukraine anything either
16:16 mixling; Zelensky isn't my friend, add to this
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16:17 mixling; as I tried to explain, the NVA weapons stockpiles vanished, and i didn't join military anymore with access to it
16:18 mixling; hence, i could blather all day long, it's not relevant, it's not a language understood
16:18 mixling; however, what they would understand, if any IBM Wintel office in east-germany was set on fire
16:19 geert; some people these days dont *want* to get much about *reality* if they dont consider it according 'their agenda'
16:19 mixling; and the corrupt media-apparatus, all foreign-agents thrown out of government
16:19 geert; like e.g. eu kinda more 'communist' than russia atm
16:19 geert; probably some goons wana barf me into 'putin idoliser' stating such obvious facts
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16:22 MinceR; geert: how do you define 'communist'?
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16:25 geert; MinceR putting stuff like 'general deficiencies' in state of law change proposals
16:25 geert; EU is literally trying to get such DDR like stuff installed at the very moment
16:26 geert; well maybe not anymore at the verymoment, i didnt exactly got to check today, nevertheless..
16:26 MinceR; uh huh
16:27 geert; yea i got kind of shocked getting to know about it
16:27 geert; and guess what, dutch prime minister mark rutte got frontrunning that @#$ misery
16:28 geert; and i personally got to find out BEFORE trying to push that through in EU scale, he got some @#$@$# done in NL which is plain illegal pretty much coupe d'etat stuff
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16:38 highest_cubist_thrills; germany was friends with the usa, britain and russia in wwii
16:39 highest_cubist_thrills; they invaded russia, and usa and britain invaded them
16:39 highest_cubist_thrills; they also invaded britain
16:39 highest_cubist_thrills; friendship is military
16:40 highest_cubist_thrills; dear fraulein celestia...
16:41 highest_cubist_thrills; today we made "friends" with france
16:48 DaemonFC; Saying JavaScript is bad for your security makes you a transphobe according to mjg59_.
16:48 DaemonFC; Am I worried that SeaMonkey could potentially have security problems? Not terribly. Most JavaScript is blocked. What else would be hammering on a security vulnerability that got overlooked in backports from Gecko?
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 66.06 average k/sec., average swarm size 137.75
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17:19 DaemonFC; mjg59_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxDaiyREBPw
17:19 TR Bot; https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=wxDaiyREBPw
17:19 TR Bot; invidio.xamh.de | South Park Transgender Athletic Strong Woman - Invidious
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17:25 mixling; this will take some time, to unlearn Vim, and learning vis
17:27 mixling; i'll like vis i think, it's easy to compile/link statically too
17:28 mixling; syntax highlighting is missing still, vis should have this too
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17:31 mixling; seems this is what lua LPeg are fore
17:33 mixling; anyway, decision is made: Vim removed.
17:40 XRevan86; > like e.g. eu kinda more 'communist' than russia atm
17:40 XRevan86; In a good way or a bad way? (:
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17:52 mixling; allright, next i'll test vis-editor compilation with tcc-toolchain
17:52 mixling; shouldn't be too problematic
17:54 mixling; and all this, can fully be detangled from GNU-buildsystem... i see
17:54 MinceR; XRevan86: in an unintelligible way
17:54 mixling; because, that's another huge challange, removal of both GNU-toolchain AND their buildsystem
17:55 XRevan86; MinceR: That's the best way. GNU is also more "Communist" than bananas.
17:55 MinceR; :>
17:55 MinceR; what's the difference the crodocile?
17:55 MinceR; it's longer than green.
17:55 MinceR; s/doc/cod/
17:55 mixling; vis is the default editor of Oasis Linux, interesting... however, i am even more radical than the Oasis Linux project
17:56 MinceR; tubular!
17:56 TR News; (NEW): MakuluLinux: A Lot of Fun for Distro Hoppers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/MakuluLinux_A_Lot_of_Fun_for_Distro_Hoppers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/MakuluLinux_A_Lot_of_Fun_for_Distro_Hoppers.gmi
17:56 mixling; their tree will be extremely helpful, yet i'll settle with a profile tracked with gentoo tooling first, to avoid some particular trouble makers which are still hiding inside the Oasis
17:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines MakuluLinux: A Lot of Fun for Distro Hoppers
17:56 mixling; and then, fork the Oasis tree
17:57 mixling; i mean, imagine this, if an entire *nix workstation distro, including all development tooling, compiles in a few minutes, on some tinies ARM SBC or similar
17:57 MinceR; and then takes a decade to do anything else
17:58 mixling; is it my fault i have to remove 40years of clusterfuck made in USA?
17:58 MinceR; it is your fault you get rid of all optimizations
17:59 mixling; what argument are you provoking here?
17:59 MinceR; you've said multiple times that you don't care about how the code generated by the compiler performs, only that it should compile as quickly as possible
18:00 MinceR; on the long term, this will waste a lot of time
18:00 mixling; never said this
18:00 MinceR; uh huh
18:00 MinceR; you slammed gcc for taking more time to produce better code
18:00 mixling; i said tcc-toolchain operates closer to the optimum with the trade-off of compile-time and run-time performance
18:00 MinceR; yeah, because that "optimum" is to waste run time to save compilation time
18:01 mixling; gcc doesn't produce "better" code, it produces faster binaries with EXTREME costs involved elsewhere
18:01 MinceR; apparently
18:01 XRevan86; mixling: "never said this" <- Seriously?
18:01 XRevan86; Ye discussed this *with me*! Not even with MinceR!
18:01 XRevan86; MinceR: Kudos for paying attention.
18:01 MinceR; :>
18:03 mixling; you don't know what you're talking about
18:04 mixling; i got an idea, if i fork Oasis, i'll call my distro Paradise Linux
18:05 mixling; latest greatest kernel version aimed at being v2.4
18:05 XRevan86; mixling: "BaphometOS" sounds more like ye.
18:06 MinceR; i think it's "Paradise" because nobody is allowed in
18:06 XRevan86; MinceR: Or because it's too perfect to exist?
18:06 mixling; currently, i am forced to roll along with two profiles:
18:06 mixling; 1) gcc47 c-only, let's say this is BaphometOS, which is doomed for all eternity
18:07 mixling; 2) tcc-toolchain, which is Paradise
18:07 MinceR; Dimension of the Doomed
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18:11 XRevan86; https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-19/europe-gas-drops-as-nations-ramp-up-measures-to-ease-crisis
18:11 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
18:11 TR News; UK monarchs wanted to feel powerful again, shut down the stores for half a day for no good reasons (even places that vend foods). Way to terrorise the peasants...
18:13 geert; well trying to install 'general deficiencies' in serious state of law proposals seems pretty clear to me
18:13 geert; some people apparently want in on the DDR action by acting as if they dont understand
18:13 geert; if comes to facts, science etc. its not just very clear, even very easily proven and WAY beyond 'collectively admitted and understood'
18:14 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/19/kommersant-tired-of-news-and-lacking-other-options-russians-are-spending-more-time-watching-youtube "Tired of news and lacking other options, Russians are spending more time on YouTube"
18:14 TR Bot; NO TITLE
18:14 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/19/dnr-and-lnr-public-chambers-call-for-referendums-on-russian-annexation "DPR and LPR public chambers call for referendums on Russian annexation"
18:14 TR Bot; NO TITLE
18:15 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/19/south-ukraine-nuclear-plant-shelled-by-russia-enerhoatom-news "South Ukraine Nuclear Plant shelled by Russia - Energoatom"
18:15 TR Bot; .
18:15 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/19/osce-employee-sentenced-to-13-years-of-imprisonment-over-high-treason-charges-in-lpr-news "OSCE employee sentenced to 13 years of imprisonment over high treason charges in LPR"
18:15 TR Bot; .
18:16 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/19/moscow-legislator-alexey-gorinovs-7-years-long-sentence-over-army-discrediting-charges-reduced-by-one-month-news "Moscow legislator Alexei Gorinovs 7-year-long sentence over army discrediting charges reduced by one month"
18:16 TR Bot; .
18:16 highest_cubist_thrills; GNU is also more "Communist" than bananas. <- as communist as gnunited fruit
18:17 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman is the chiquita gnuisance
18:17 highest_cubist_thrills; it's longer than green. <- and stronger than dirt
18:18 TR News; Promo sprint in Saumur https://carlschwan.eu/2022/09/19/promo-sprint-in-saumur/ Source: Carl Schwan | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//carlschwan.eu/2022/09/19/promo-sprint-in-saumur/
18:18 TR Bot; Promo sprint in Saumur
18:18 TR News; (NEW): OpenMandriva on Ampere Altra http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/OpenMandriva_on_Ampere_Altra.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/OpenMandriva_on_Ampere_Altra.gmi
18:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines OpenMandriva on Ampere Altra
18:18 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> yeah, because that "optimum" is to waste run time to save compilation time <- whats funny though is hes describing an interpreter but keeps calling it a compiler
18:18 TR News; (NEW): Best 12 Linux ASCII Games That are Modern Looking For 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Best_12_Linux_ASCII_Games_That_are_Modern_Looking_For_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Best_12_Linux_ASCII_Games_That_are_Modern_Looking_For_2022.gmi
18:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines Best 12 Linux ASCII Games That are Modern Looking For 2022
18:18 geert; the facts are very clear XRevan86, without corruption disguised as if legit NATO trying to get rid of ru mil basis @ sebastopol, trying to basically run anti ru agenda over the back of ua, crimea wouldnt even been annexed by this day
18:19 starstreak; haha kiwifarms got hacked and check out the drama: https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1571576231073644544
18:19 TR Bot; After the site was compromised and user data leaked due to bad coding by Joshua Moon, Kiwi Farms users are turning https://t.co/N48hrkhjA8
18:19 TR Bot; After the site was compromised and user data leaked due to bad coding by Joshua Moon, Kiwi Farms users are turning https://t.co/N48hrkhjA8
18:19 geert; and lets try not talk shit, if one try the same to the usa, reaction would have been more agressively
18:19 geert; not probably, but very sure
18:19 highest_cubist_thrills; (in fact tcc has gone as far as promoting itself as useful as a "scripting" language)
18:19 geert; so to just watch annexation and say thats proof of ru agression, is just wanting in on illegal criminal shit
18:19 geert; and imnot even saying it pro russia
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18:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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18:20 MinceR; word salad
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18:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
18:20 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> word salad <- what herr doktor said?
18:20 highest_cubist_thrills; more like turd salad
18:20 XRevan86; geert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv_Pact
18:20 TR Bot; Kharkiv Pact - Wikipedia
18:21 highest_cubist_thrills; haha kiwifarms got hacked <- hey yo, get out the way, yo-- biggie smalls just got shot!
18:21 geert; besides, criminal corrupt warmongerer crap disguised as if legit NATO wanted rid of RU basis @ sebastpol where from serious mil perspective, only relatively small distance to the east on the other side of kerch strait (maybe not spelled correctly) RU got soil on black sea, meaning strategically with todays tech its practically bullying what those corrupt goons tried regarding that basis
18:21 MinceR; highest_cubist_thrills: no, unless he has taken to using 2 clients at the same time
18:22 highest_cubist_thrills; wouldnt put it past him
18:22 geert; yea yea supposedly smart asses act as if they dont understand by calling things word salad from which meaning is pretty easily derived
18:22 highest_cubist_thrills; he might need to setup another motorola cluster for that though
18:22 XRevan86; geert: I don't understand what ye are saying.
18:22 geert; i bet if i get to ask non native english students from country like .fr or .es age 14 to explain what it means >80% could
18:22 highest_cubist_thrills; (which i still think is a cool idea, but like any computing innovation its slightly less cool when nazis do it)
18:22 geert; so i dont care much about word salad pretenses
18:22 *XRevan86 shrugs.
18:22 highest_cubist_thrills; edwin black says ibm stole punched cards from the census bureau
18:23 MinceR; you evidently also don't care about grammar or spelling
18:23 MinceR; or being understood
18:23 highest_cubist_thrills; i guess the census bureau stole them from jaquard
18:23 geert; yea so what? understanding isnt so difficult as you try hide behind and im not paid for spelling /grammar
18:23 geert; facts prevail fuck the bullshit
18:23 highest_cubist_thrills; my grammar uses a walking frame
18:23 MinceR; what are you paid for?
18:23 highest_cubist_thrills; im largely sympathetic to blacks claims, but im still pedantic after all
18:24 geert; Truth. actually people ask me things to get serious answers
18:24 geert; and even on a level that most people fail comprehend
18:24 MinceR; who's paying you?
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18:24 TR Bot; Tux Machines KDE: KDE Promo, Krita Funding, and More
18:24 highest_cubist_thrills; WHO DOES NUMBER 2 WORK FOR
18:24 MinceR; highest_cubist_thrills: number 1
18:25 MinceR; that's easy
18:25 highest_cubist_thrills; hehe
18:25 geert; first you might try admit its not just word salad, it got meaning to it, which you DO understand
18:25 geert; then maybe i get to explain you
18:25 highest_cubist_thrills; dr attack surface
18:25 geert; im not your little pony, so i dont have to give you some look into my wallet
18:25 MinceR; geert: seems to me you're the only one here who understands any of your longer messages
18:25 geert; by the way, youd be seriously shocked im practically sure but that i keep as teaser so to speak
18:26 geert; no it dont seem that to you, youre outright lying coz i know you got to derive the meaning from that what you called 'word salad'
18:26 geert; youre simply outright lying
18:26 highest_cubist_thrills; "this mitigation prevents artbirary code running from a 'buffer overflow' from accessing gadgets in ram. thats why i call this mitigation 'bananarama'"
18:26 highest_cubist_thrills; "PFFFT"
18:26 highest_cubist_thrills; "what?"
18:26 geert; maybe some goon in here think they can believe that
18:26 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1571712271063072773
18:26 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile in Russia, more of the usual: nuclear threats against Germany and Britain, cautioning NATO against going into Ukraine. This directly clashes with their lies, constantly spewed by state TV, that Russia is already at war with NATO & "uniformed NATO troops" are in Ukraine."|nitter.it
18:27 TR News; [pull] amdgpu, amdkfd, radeon drm-next-6.1 - Alex Deucher https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220916153638.6501-1-alexander.deucher@amd.com/ Source: amd | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220916153638.6501-1-alexander.deucher@amd.com/
18:27 TR Bot; [pull] amdgpu, amdkfd, radeon drm-next-6.1 - Alex Deucher
18:27 MinceR; looks like putler can't keep his lies straight
18:27 geert; lol Xrevan86 if you did some serious research, you knew about supposedly legit NATO missile systems aimed at RU with warhead systems replacable within seconds to nuclear warheads
18:27 highest_cubist_thrills; thats one of the ways people detect liars
18:27 MinceR; how did such a piss-poor liar get to run an empire?
18:27 geert; even before the crap over the back of ua started
18:27 TR News; "In a previous blog post I looked into converting a custom markup text format into "proper" PDF and epub documents. The format at the time was very simple and could not do even simple things like italic text. At the time it was ok, but as time went on it seemed a bit unsatisfactory." https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/09/diving-deeper-into-custom-pdf-and-epub.html
18:27 TR Bot; Nibble Stew: Diving deeper into custom PDF and epub generation
18:27 highest_cubist_thrills; its easier at least, to keep the truth straight
18:28 highest_cubist_thrills; sometimes its complicated, but bullshit tends to be moreso (systemd, debian ctte, gnome)
18:28 geert; so xrevan86 meaning you simply pro warmongerer
18:28 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1571861129390948356
18:28 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Top propagandist on Russian state TV urges for more strict measures to prevent additional military retreats: on-the-spot trials "for traitors, deserters and anyone who gets scared." He sounds quite peeved about the situation with drones. Head of RT chimes in to praise the gov't."|nitter.it
18:28 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1571878236212035586
18:28 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "While the world is witnessing the immense scale of Russia's war crimes in Ukraine and the humanitarian catastrophe caused by Putin's invasion, top state TV propagandist has the audacity to claim that Russia is conducting "a humanitarian operation" in Ukraine."|nitter.it
18:28 MinceR; also, it's surprising how many ruscists we get
18:28 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean theyre everywhere
18:28 TR News; Authorities in Iran must keep the [I]nternet accessible in Saqqez https://www.accessnow.org/iran-keep-internet-accessible/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/iran-keep-internet-accessible/
18:28 TR Bot; Authorities in Iran must keep the internet accessible in Saqqez
18:28 MinceR; i didn't realize TR was such an important nexus of international politics advocacy
18:28 geert; i dont care bullshit xrevan86, just like regarding the 'opcw hack', easily proven bullshit which people tried call legit intel/security defense
18:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and theyre automatically banned from libera (not an endorsement) unless theyve taken over
18:29 highest_cubist_thrills; if libera.chat turns out to be kremlin based i WILL be surprised, but it will still be funny
18:29 geert; you dont need try convince me, you cannot. i already got some facts this straight, and this for sure, that none of your bullshit get in between
18:29 MinceR; one would think vladolf can't afford to pay that many web brigadiers anymore, with their economy in ruins and rubbles not being worth anything anymore
18:29 geert; you actually need serious facts to get in between, which you dont have regarding that matter proving me wrong
18:29 highest_cubist_thrills; i didn't realize TR was such an important nexus of international politics advocacy <- it isnt, this is where the "loser" ruscists go
18:29 highest_cubist_thrills; implying (facetiously) that theres another type
18:29 MinceR; "facts" are more impressive when people reading them can understand them
18:29 MinceR; highest_cubist_thrills: :>
18:29 geert; lol mincer, if you knew some about mil tactics, you knew that if thats true, ru would been pushed back long ago already
18:30 geert; so well, you simply wana back warmongerer nasty crap i guess
18:30 TR News; The "soul" is Microsoft proprietary software and Microsoft censorship http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2022/09/19/what-i-meant-by-the-soul-of-rust/
18:30 TR Bot; Baby Steps
18:30 XRevan86; MinceR: "also, it's surprising how many ruscists we get" <- Strangely enough, none of them are Russian.
18:30 highest_cubist_thrills; do you think theyre all german?
18:30 MinceR; must be putler's buddies lending their propaganda networks
18:30 geert; well xrevan86 the facts are very simple, none of goons can ever change it, they want to yes, but they cannot
18:30 highest_cubist_thrills; well, some are american
18:30 MinceR; probably built along the orcish model
18:30 MinceR; after all, ruscism was exported successfully
18:31 MinceR; so why not the web brigades
18:31 XRevan86; geert: I can say the same thing.
18:31 TR News; show
18:31 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman has biolabs!
18:31 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Solus GNOME 4.3 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uHY5WibOsns
18:31 MinceR; maybe if XRevan86 said it, it would be intelligible
18:31 TR Bot; Solus GNOME 4.3 overview | Designed for Everyone. - Invidious
18:31 highest_cubist_thrills; bkuhn missed that one
18:31 highest_cubist_thrills; it was so obvious though
18:31 XRevan86; The economy of Russia is not quite in ruins, it's in peril though.
18:32 TR News; "The Tiny Pilot Voyager 2 is a very impressive Raspberry Pi project" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1eoeK2tTDGQ
18:32 TR Bot; Tiny Pilot Voyager 2 - Remotely Manage your Server Quickly and Easily - Invidious
18:32 MinceR; yeah, i know, they can still sell some fossil fuels somewhere
18:32 highest_cubist_thrills; sometimes if you milk it too hard, it just cant do anything after that
18:32 MinceR; probably can't build pipelines to india or red china though
18:32 highest_cubist_thrills; ... a friend says
18:33 TR News; How GULAG is KILLING your AD BLOCKERS and tracker blockers with Manifest v3 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8KWCLhHrblE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/8KWCLhHrblE
18:33 TR Bot; How Google is KILLING your AD BLOCKERS and tracker blockers with Manifest v3 - Invidious
18:33 highest_cubist_thrills; /me thinks china is more of a radish state
18:33 highest_cubist_thrills; im not planning to use that much, i do think its amusing though
18:34 XRevan86; MinceR: The natural gas export got wrecked because of Russia's actions to attempt to make the EU cower in fear and back off.
18:35 XRevan86; It's harming Russia greatly but it's able to make that sacrifice, at least in the short-term.
18:35 TR News; "Imagination is Demonic." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhV1owGCSM
18:35 TR Bot; https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=snhV1owGCSM
18:35 TR Bot; invidious.flokinet.to | Yep. Imagination is Demonic. (Unironically) - Invidious
18:36 highest_cubist_thrills; save our economy, buy putlin a coffee
18:36 MinceR; XRevan86: yeah, orcland is able to strangle itself, apparently
18:36 highest_cubist_thrills; like michael hutchence
18:36 MinceR; mainly because putler doesn't give a fuck about what happens to his subjects
18:36 highest_cubist_thrills; what happened to the economy
18:37 XRevan86; MinceR: Yes, but also, the economy is not in ruins just yet.
18:37 highest_cubist_thrills; "it sank"
18:37 XRevan86; Really don't know in what way NATO was supposed to destroy the Black Sea fleet.
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18:37 MinceR; highest_cubist_thrills: i just call red china what usians called it before they became dependent on them and afraid of them :>
18:37 TR News; Crystal Linux | An Upcoming Arch Distro - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xpMeN7lB7bE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/xpMeN7lB7bE
18:37 TR Bot; Crystal Linux | An Upcoming Arch Distro - Invidious
18:37 highest_cubist_thrills; fair point
18:37 highest_cubist_thrills; red wal mart
18:38 highest_cubist_thrills; red apple (sort of obvious)
18:38 highest_cubist_thrills; "made in red china"
18:38 AdmFubar; https://krita.org/en/item/intel-becomes-first-krita-development-fund-corporate-gold-patron/
18:38 TR Bot; Intel Becomes First Krita Development Fund Corporate Gold Patron | Krita
18:38 XRevan86; But I don't expect gert to provide evidence.
18:38 highest_cubist_thrills; it could be radish, but i suppose its reddish
18:38 highest_cubist_thrills; also reddit
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; happy shiny people following the coc
18:39 XRevan86; Or explain the thought in a way that can be understood.
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18:39 MinceR; https://nitter.it/insultsrare/status/1571595272420982786
18:39 TR Bot; insults (@insultsrare): ""|nitter.it
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; /me swore geert was herr doktor, but maybe hes a friend
18:39 mixling; currently, the increased prices for gas, supposedly benefit russian income and military
18:39 mixling; according to several discussions on german TV
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; "comenzie to techrights, they are stupid and we can teach them"
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; "ja wohl"
18:40 MinceR; oh yes, orcland gets lots of money for gas they don't sell
18:40 MinceR; that's how it works, you know
18:40 highest_cubist_thrills; they should do like usa did in the 70s
18:40 highest_cubist_thrills; LIMITED EDITION gas
18:40 mixling; simple reason for this: the german-russian contracts set a minimum-delivery and cash-flow
18:40 highest_cubist_thrills; collectors edition
18:40 highest_cubist_thrills; while supplies last!
18:40 TR News; (NEW): Videos: GNOME, Crystal Linux, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Videos_GNOME_Crystal_Linux_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Videos_GNOME_Crystal_Linux_and_More.gmi
18:40 mixling; even when, for the sake of climate, imports of russian gas into germany/eu lowered, the cash-flow remains
18:41 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: GNOME, Crystal Linux, and More
18:41 MinceR; i bet they get paid double for the gas they flare at portovaya
18:41 mixling; in parallel, too Putin planned to deliver _more_ gas to China
18:41 MinceR; yeah, planned
18:41 mixling; meanwhile, german industry argues, costs in germany were too high, and they had to outsource even more manufacturing, to wherever, China
18:41 MinceR; we'll see if the european companies that have the technology will be willing to help them build a pipeline to red china
18:42 mixling; which is, good for climate, as usual, of cause
18:42 MinceR; when they're actually banned from doing so
18:42 MinceR; i won't hold my breath
18:42 highest_cubist_thrills; the eu has changed its mind before
18:42 MinceR; yeah
18:42 highest_cubist_thrills; though this doesnt seem high on the list of possibilities
18:42 mixling; MinceR: there are already two pipelines, i read, Siberian pipeline 1 and 2
18:42 MinceR; i'm sure they're currently unused
18:43 XRevan86; mixling: "currently, the increased prices for gas, supposedly benefit russian income and military" <- Nope.
18:43 mixling; no, China rejected and raised veto against those sanctions
18:43 TR News; Oh god, Python! ...I mean the programming language. gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1133
18:44 XRevan86; Russia is not capable of selling natural gas under market prices right now.
18:45 mixling; gas/energy market is a long-term prospect one, not some short-term shitcoin gambling business, as EU wishthinked it was at their "EU trading hub"
18:45 TR News; "Technology does seem to me to be neutral -- it doesn't know right or wrong and doesn't care whether it's nailing a nail or hammering a fly. On the other hand, users aren't neutral, because they can choose what to do with the tools at hand." gemini://siiky.srht.site/philosophy/re-tech-and-conscience.gmi
18:45 MinceR; orcland has no long term prospects
18:45 MinceR; i doubt any human does
18:46 MinceR; the best orcs can hope for is to survive as a colony of red china
18:46 XRevan86; The current crisis needs a short-term solution, so I don't get mixling's poibt.
18:46 MinceR; it's just baseless hope
18:48 XRevan86; https://turmush.kg/ru/news:1805821 Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan signed a peace treaty.
18:48 TR Bot; Turmush:
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 51.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 134.75 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.33
19:00 TR News; Links 19/09/2022: Firefox 105 and OpenMandriva on Ampere Altra | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/openmandriva-on-ampere-altra/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/openmandriva-on-ampere-altra/
19:00 TR Bot; Links 19/09/2022: Firefox 105 and OpenMandriva on Ampere Altra | Techrights
19:00 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi
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19:01 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
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19:11 mixling; germany: delivery of another 14 heavy tank howitzer to ukraine
19:11 mixling; in parallel: 300meters off-target heavy artillery projectile smashed nearby a nuclear plant in ukraine
19:12 mixling; can't grasp this, the policy of german arms deliveries is: "no weapons supplies into conflict regions"
19:12 starstreak; ronnie staph ur tramatizing me
19:14 XRevan86; mixling: Aren't ye concerned about stopping the people who do things like https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/19/7368045/ ?
19:14 TR Bot; Invaders hit South Ukraine Nuclear Power Plant ? Energoatom | Ukrainska Pravda
19:14 mixling; XRevan86: i have another theory with the "retreat" of russian military, which is winter season
19:14 mixling; i don't think, Putin is in a hurry, to issue more warnings over Ukraine
19:15 mixling; since this escalated 2014 already, who knows how long the conflict prevails
19:15 XRevan86; I did say that Putin is banking a lot on the winter season.
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19:16 XRevan86; It is unlikely that we will see any significant combat during winter, but the effort will be spent on trying to undermine the effort to help Ukraine.
19:16 XRevan86; And depending on how that goes, the outcome will be determined.
19:17 mixling; don't forget Poland (who typically follow along with similar sentiments to the ones from Ukraine)
19:17 mixling; just recently, Poland, again, demanded WW2 reparations
19:17 XRevan86; "who typically follow along with similar sentiments to the ones from Ukraine" <- Don't really see that.
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19:18 mixling; out of curiosity, what for? given many regions of modern Poland are/were German they, Poland, were generously compensated with.
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19:18 XRevan86; Germany has already stated that the debt's been paid.
19:18 mixling; XRevan86: Poland equally became hysterical over Nordstream pipelines, similar to Ukraine, and transit fees
19:19 mixling; remembering this, given some of my relatives were deported from their homelands (nowadays Czech republic and Poland), that's a fourth expropriation i almost forgot
19:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
19:20 mixling; if deportations were considered expropriations
19:20 mixling; let's not split hairs over this
19:21 XRevan86; mixling: Nord Stream-2 didn't have many allies. Poland and Ukraine obviously weren't, but so weren't many other countries.
19:21 starstreak; ronnie stahp
19:22 mixling; i don't remember either, my grandfathers who lost their mothers during WW2 when they were young (12-14 years old), they never asked for reparations from anyone
19:22 XRevan86; I don't really know why Russia cares about Nord Stream-2 right now. I suspect a display of power, would look good on TV.
19:24 TR News; Andrew should have been arrested along with Bill Gates. Guess who got arrested. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=niKzVnaoK5s
19:24 TR Bot; 'Andrew, you're a sick man': police drag heckler from crowd during Queen's procession - Invidious
19:24 mixling; the other irony is probably this, it is supposedly me who had to pay reparations or what? with what? i was expropriated twice already, and another excess inflation hike
19:25 XRevan86; Nord Stream-2 is going to Germany just like Nord Stream, but Nord Stream is shut down on a whim, so there's no practical reason to want Nord Stream-2 in operation.
19:26 mixling; Ukraine demands reparations from Russia, Poland demands reparations from Germany...
19:26 XRevan86; Nord Stream-2 was manufactured to dodge transit through Ukraine (Druzhba), but right now Druzhba is the only pipeline Russia is actually keeping in operation because it *doesn't* go to Germany.
19:26 TR News; Crime committed? But shagging underage girls? We the taxpayers pay for it. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9YSie19OACI see https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40809225.html
19:26 TR Bot; Man Calls Prince Andrew 'Sick Old Man' During Royal Procession - Invidious
19:26 TR Bot; 'Are the British public ultimately paying for Andrew to avoid appearing in court?'
19:26 mixling; and the transit pipelines in ukraine and poland are supposedly disconnected too
19:27 mixling; to settle this conflict, Nordstream operation is crucial, and then discuss reparations separately, or terminate all talks
19:27 XRevan86; "because it *doesn't* go to Germany" <- That is, right now it doesn't.
19:27 mixling; to my understanding, Putin wasn't willing to negotiate anymore
19:29 XRevan86; mixling: Negotiations are a weird beast right now, there's no common ground that is even possible between the two sides.
19:29 XRevan86; Ukraine wants Putin to scram, Putin wants to conquer as much as possible.
19:29 mixling; in the end, i had not received salary for almost two decades of work
19:29 mixling; a salary by typical german standards
19:30 mixling; i spare you the details, what the "explanations" for this were supposed to be
19:30 mixling; "east german" "unproductive" dumb fuck, that's the typical discussion here
19:30 mixling; or the feminist equal pay one, immigrants and whatnot
19:30 XRevan86; Zelensky did suddenly say that the Crimea dispute can be resolved diplomatically, I read that as a bone that's thrown to Putin.
19:31 XRevan86; To maybe find that common ground.
19:31 XRevan86; But I don't think Putin is humiliated enough to pick it up just yet.
19:31 TR News; Don't use Apple crap at all. A real watch lasts years without charge/battery change. https://www.maketecheasier.com/apple-watch-low-power-mode/
19:31 TR Bot; How to Use Low Power Mode on Apple Watch - Make Tech Easier
19:32 TR News; Gemini search gemini://tozip.chickenkiller.com/2022-09-19-search.gmi
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19:32 mixling; i don't consider Putin/Russians being the aggressor in this case, nor the trouble source; doesn't make me an ally of anyone either, it's just another perspective
19:33 TR News; "Today is a bank holiday so I was free from work. Sadly it was due to the Queen's funeral. So of course, I felt obliged to watch as I did some Scout digital stuff. As ever with these things, there is a lot of nonsense." gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/stug/phlog/20220919.txt
19:33 mixling; germany: "missing 40000 teachers" staff... as far as i am concerned, another -1 of myself, i'll not lecture any of the mob who offered nothing but insults and disrespect in return
19:34 XRevan86; "I don't consider Putin/Russians being the aggressor in this case, nor the trouble source" <- I absolutely do.
19:34 TR News; (NEW): Kubuntu: Plasma 5.26 Beta available for testing http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Kubuntu_Plasma_5_26_Beta_available_for_testing.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Kubuntu_Plasma_5_26_Beta_available_for_testing.gmi
19:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kubuntu: Plasma 5.26 Beta available for testing
19:34 TR News; (NEW): Darktable 4.0.1 Released with Various Bug-Fixes, PPA Updated http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Darktable_4_0_1_Released_with_Various_Bug_Fixes_PPA_Updated.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Darktable_4_0_1_Released_with_Various_Bug_Fixes_PPA_Updated.gmi
19:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Darktable 4.0.1 Released with Various Bug-Fixes, PPA Updated
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19:37 TR News; Today a young Brit will face a royal CoC (Code of Conduct). "Andrew" the 'prince' can screw girls, but you only face charges for shouting at "Andrew" the 'prince' for screwing girls...
19:39 TR News; In a similar vein, in FOSS/tech the CoC is protecting vulnerable minorities such as Google and Microsoft... from people who 'HECKLE' them over their war crimes, corruption etc.
19:39 TR News; (NEW): Looking at Wayland terminal emulators http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Looking_at_Wayland_terminal_emulators.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Looking_at_Wayland_terminal_emulators.gmi
19:39 TR Bot; Tux Machines Looking at Wayland terminal emulators
19:41 TR News; A prelude to Web censorship by Google: "The Chrome Root Program ultimately determines which website certificates are trusted by default in Chrome, and enables more consistent and reliable website certificate validation across platforms." https://blog.chromium.org/2022/09/announcing-launch-of-chrome-root-program.html Google: IMPERIALISM PRIVATISED
19:41 TR Bot; Chromium Blog: Announcing the Launch of the Chrome Root Program
19:42 mixling; the recent numbers cited: Poland demands more than 1billion (US trillion) from germany, Ukraine demands 0.3Billion (US trillion) from russia, reparations
19:42 TR News; Fedora at OpenAlt 2022 | Brno hat https://eischmann.wordpress.com/2022/09/19/fedora-at-openalt-2022/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//eischmann.wordpress.com/2022/09/19/fedora-at-openalt-2022/
19:42 TR Bot; Fedora at OpenAlt 2022 | Brno hat
19:42 mixling; given this, US budget is filled by payments for gas... this might explain why gas prices explode beyond good and evil
19:43 mixling; -US, Russian budget
19:44 TR News; Google = gatekeeper for lies. I remember when it used to have a search engine that tried to return results useful to you, not useful to those in power
19:44 mixling; hence, gas/energy which doesn't exist cannot be sold, nor consumed, nor taxed, and accounted for with reparations either, the most recent one
19:45 mixling; another reason why, it's probably best, to disconnect Druzhba
19:45 TR News; "PDF files were designed to promote sharing. Everyone can open themin their web browser if they have nothing else. Linux lets you manipulate, merge, and split PDF files on the command line." https://www.howtogeek.com/827186/how-to-make-and-combine-pdf-files-on-the-linux-command-line/
19:45 TR Bot; How to Make and Combine PDF Files on the Linux Command Line
19:46 mixling; in Greece, the government there boiled up the reparations argument whenever there was an opportunity too
19:47 mixling; and recently, some newspapers reported they burned energy bills there... i see
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19:47 mixling; with USA, they utilize the "carbon certificate" and NATO budget, to re-route cash into their pockets
19:47 TR News; Google (Gulag) and Web security are opposites. Owing to Chrome, the Web itself has become antithetical to security.
19:48 mixling; and a similar mindset and explanation involved...
19:48 mixling; they're just not demanding reparations, they discuss "anti-semitism" and "racism" instead, and "democracy" of theirs, why they supposedly defended
19:49 mixling; *which
19:49 mixling; by coincidence, Ukraine,Poland whom did they ally with? USA
19:49 TR News; Meh. Twitter is a waste of time. It's a bot farm. Designed to make you FEEL like your time is not wasted. https://cosimameyer.com/post/curating-r-ladies-twitter-account-a-fun-ride/
19:49 TR Bot; Curating R-Ladies' Twitter Account - A Fun Ride!
19:49 TR News; "Unfortunately for us, rgb doesnt correspond to how we truly sense colour. It was designed for the convenience of use with electrical equipment." https://finnstats.com/index.php/2022/09/16/lab-to-delta-e-conversion-in-r/
19:50 TR Bot; to Delta E conversion in R finnstats
19:50 TR News; trolling or trawling? https://datawookie.dev/blog/2022/09/squares-spirals/
19:50 mixling; and in germany, we got a government here, and a media apparatus, industry CEOs, who are they? "atlantic bridge" washington minions
19:50 TR Bot; Squares & Spirals
19:51 TR News; Bloomberg promoting mass surveillance everywhere you go https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-08-27/what-does-a-digital-city-look-like-in-the-metaverse
19:51 TR News; "Rigorous math proves neural networks can train on minimal data, providing new hope for quantum HEY HI and taking a big step toward quantum advantage" https://discover.lanl.gov/news/0823-quantum-ai
19:51 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
19:51 TR Bot; Quantum AI breakthrough: theorem shrinks appetite for training data | Discover Los Alamos National Laboratory
19:52 TR News; Decoding Canine Cognition https://news.emory.edu/features/2022/09/er_decoding_canine_cognition_14-09-2022/ Source: Yahoo News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.emory.edu/features/2022/09/er_decoding_canine_cognition_14-09-2022/
19:52 TR Bot; Decoding Canine Cognition
19:53 TR News; "Many people dont realize: Transitioning Ethereum to proof-of-stake (PoS) an alternative to proof-of-work (PoW) mining for reaching consensus on blocks of transactions was an insane feat." https://a16zcrypto.com/what-the-merge-means/ price collapsed since
19:53 TR Bot; What The Merge Means - a16z crypto
19:53 TR News; Vapourware https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2022/09/harvard-and-aws-launch-alliance-advance-research-quantum-science
19:53 TR Bot; Harvard and AWS launch alliance to advance research in quantum science
19:54 TR News; "Richard Rusczyk, founder of Art of Problem Solving, has a vision for bringing joyous, beautiful math and problem-solving to classrooms everywhere." https://www.quantamagazine.org/richard-rusczyk-is-a-math-evangelist-who-preaches-problem-solving-20220913/
19:54 TR Bot; Quanta Magazine
19:55 TR News; Simulation aids the search for the origin of cosmic rays - Newsportal - Ruhr-Universitt Bochum https://news.rub.de/english/press-releases/2022-09-13-astrophysics-simulation-aids-search-origin-cosmic-rays | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.rub.de/english/press-releases/2022-09-13-astrophysics-simulation-aids-search-origin-cosmic-rays
19:55 TR Bot; Simulation aids the search for the origin of cosmic rays - Newsportal - Ruhr-Universitt Bochum
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19:57 TR News; "Be honest for once": cost of secret trials rises as Government covers-up Timor spying fiasco - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/cost-of-secret-trials-rises-as-government-covers-up-timor-spying-fiasco/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/cost-of-secret-trials-rises-as-government-covers-up-timor-spying-fiasco/
19:57 TR Bot; "Be honest for once": cost of secret trials rises as Government covers-up Timor spying fiasco - Michael West
19:58 TR News; BillBC will start covering up for high-profile pedophiles when it stops hiring them and taking bribes from them. Unless then, taxpayers should avoid paying it a penny.
20:00 TR News; Falk Lines: Information Commissioner fights for the right to hide information indefinitely, que? - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/information-commissioner-angelene-falk-fights-to-delay-fois-indefinitely/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/information-commissioner-angelene-falk-fights-to-delay-fois-indefinitely/
20:00 TR Bot; Falk Lines: Information Commissioner fights for the right to hide information indefinitely, que? - Michael West
20:02 MinceR; 19 201401 < XRevan86> mixling: Aren't ye concerned about stopping the people who do things like https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/19/7368045/ ?
20:02 TR Bot; Invaders hit South Ukraine Nuclear Power Plant ? Energoatom | Ukrainska Pravda
20:03 MinceR; he believes his faith in putler will protect him from radiation sickness
20:03 schestowitz-TR; he is a heavy smoker
20:03 schestowitz-TR; he does not value health
20:03 TR News; 1.64.0 pre-release testing | Inside Rust Blog https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/09/19/1.64.0-prerelease.html Source: Rust Blog | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/09/19/1.64.0-prerelease.html
20:03 TR Bot; 1.64.0 pre-release testing | Inside Rust Blog
20:05 TR News; (UPDATED): KDE Announces "Plasma Bigscreen" for TV UI, Brings 5.26 Beta http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/KDE_Announces_Plasma_Bigscreen_for_TV_UI_Brings_5_26_Beta.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/KDE_Announces_Plasma_Bigscreen_for_TV_UI_Brings_5_26_Beta.gmi
20:05 TR Bot; Tux Machines KDE Announces "Plasma Bigscreen" for TV UI, Brings 5.26 Beta
20:06 AdmFubar; they are such geniuses!!!! https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/sep/19/iphone-14-pro-max-camera-optical-image-stabilisation-motor
20:06 TR Bot; Bug in iPhone 14 Pro Max causes camera to physically fail, users say | Apple | The Guardian
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; Matthew Garrett (@mjg59): "httpMatthew Garrett (@mjg59): "https://www.google.com/search?q=%22guest+post+by+ryan%22+site%3Atechrights.org - this isn't some random dude, Roy posts his content frequently. Roy's fully aware of his transphobia, he just doesn't care."|nitter.it https://nitter.eu/mjg59/status/1571588634733875205 Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; %3A//nitter.eu/mjg59/status/1571588634733875205s://www.google.com/search?q=%22guest+post+by+ryan%22+site%3Atechrights.org - this isn't some random dude, Roy posts his content frequently. Roy's fully aware of his transphobia, he just doesn't care."|nitter.it https://nitter.eu/mjg59/status/1571588634733875205 Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//nitter.eu/
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59/status/1571588634733875205
20:08 TR Bot; Garrett (@mjg59): "https://www.google.com/search?q=%22guest+post+by+ryan%22+site%3Atechrights.org - this isn't some random dude, Roy posts his content frequently. Roy's fully aware of his transphobia, he just doesn't care."|nitter.it
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; you are a sick man, mjg59_
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; now you try to publicly hold me accountable for people I don't agree with
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; go seek help
20:09 schestowitz[TR]; you've also confirmed the purpose of your presence here
20:09 schestowitz[TR]; a snake and troll
20:09 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC is what you cherry-pick
20:09 schestowitz[TR]; DM (@Dewix888): "Mostly Microsoft using various forms of corruption, coercion - anti-competitive measures (expand, embrace & Extinguish) to ensure thier products are the defacto standard. http://techrights.org/2019/11/09/christian-ude-on-microsoft/"|nitter.it
20:10 schestowitz[TR]; twitter= ok with microsoft boosters
20:10 schestowitz[TR]; bans microsoft critics
20:10 schestowitz[TR]; takes bribes from gates and microsoft
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20:16 mixling; "Poland and Balticum close borders to Russia"
20:17 MinceR; [insert half-hour rage about how poland and the baltic states are pure evil]
20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
20:22 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Sorry, do you disagree that you're aware of Ryan's transphobia?
20:22 highest_cubist_thrills; Matthew Garrett (@mjg59): "httpMatthew Garrett (@mjg59): "https://www.google.com/search?q=%22guest+post+by+ryan%22+site%3Atechrights.org - this isn't some random dude, Roy posts his content frequently. Roy's fully aware of his transphobia, he just doesn't care."|nitter.it https://nitter.eu/mjg59/status/1571588634733875205 Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/v
20:23 highest_cubist_thrills; he just cant help himself
20:23 highest_cubist_thrills; this is how he saves the world, by stopping a blogger from reposting content from a guy he thinks is a dick
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20:26 highest_cubist_thrills; join me twitter! lets harass someone into not reposting tech articles on a tech blog!
20:26 highest_cubist_thrills; see if it works
20:27 highest_cubist_thrills; poor mjg, this is a guy who makes every ddos into a badge of honour
20:27 highest_cubist_thrills; if you cancel him now he will be stronger than ever before
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; schestowitz[TR]> garrett: I hold free speech dear...ly
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> I censor people and their tech articles
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> because... something unrelated
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> and I also troll irc network
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> trolling is 'free speech'
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> and I really like free speech
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> I even send lawyers to attack people over their speech
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> you have the brain of a banana split... it doesn't work
20:27 highest_cubist_thrills; well, lessig did similar
20:27 highest_cubist_thrills; i honestly think mjg was a bit of a copycat with that
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; mention corruption in some org
20:27 highest_cubist_thrills; he said "im a teacher, this affects my students"
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; trolls change the subject to... genders
20:28 highest_cubist_thrills; the lessig interview said the same
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; not a coincidence
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; it's a method
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> must have struck a nerve lately
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> LF?
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> SFC?
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> The trolling intensified
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> trolling in IRC = free speech
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> writing technical articles = "hate"
20:28 highest_cubist_thrills; a lot of the gender conversation is valid though
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; not for this channel
20:28 highest_cubist_thrills; when both of you bullshit someone, you start with a kernel of truth
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; not relevant
20:28 highest_cubist_thrills; sure it is
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; to techrights?
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; how is this relevant?
20:28 highest_cubist_thrills; yes
20:28 highest_cubist_thrills; well its funny because
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; it's a edge
20:28 mixling; nope MinceR, i am removing GNU-buildsystem and GNU-toolchain meanwhile
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; not related to tyech at all
20:28 highest_cubist_thrills; not only are there other reasons
20:29 mixling; currently hacking lua buildsystem to avoid those
20:29 highest_cubist_thrills; but you MAKE it relevant when you do articles on this very thing
20:29 highest_cubist_thrills; once its a trope of cancel culture
20:29 schestowitz[TR]; I don't write about this
20:29 schestowitz[TR]; ever
20:29 highest_cubist_thrills; it became relevant
20:29 highest_cubist_thrills; im confident i can find examples
20:29 schestowitz[TR]; I mentioned it 15 years ago
20:29 schestowitz[TR]; when trolls in sites like linsux and USENET defamed me
20:29 highest_cubist_thrills; well 15 years ago is more than never
20:29 schestowitz[TR]; saying I had cut offf my dick
20:29 highest_cubist_thrills; i think it was more recent
20:29 highest_cubist_thrills; like past couple years
20:31 highest_cubist_thrills; at any rate, people are going to talk about discrimination in tech
20:31 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, back to tech now
20:31 highest_cubist_thrills; some people will do it because it matters
20:31 XRevan86; https://nytimes.com/2022/09/18/us/womens-march-russia-trump.html
20:31 TR Bot; How Russian Trolls Helped Keep the Womens March Out of Lock Step - The New York Times
20:31 schestowitz[TR]; there is disrimination
20:31 highest_cubist_thrills; others will weaponise it-- which you have absolutely written about
20:31 schestowitz[TR]; motly against women and minorities
20:31 highest_cubist_thrills; and when you write about how they weaponise it
20:31 schestowitz[TR]; there are many of them
20:31 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre going to come and say "no we dont"
20:31 schestowitz[TR]; the troll;s doen't focus on women
20:31 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre lying
20:31 schestowitz[TR]; they hardly focus on minorities
20:31 highest_cubist_thrills; but its a predictable outcome
20:31 schestowitz[TR]; they focus on the edge cases
20:32 schestowitz[TR]; to provoke and get rude responses
20:32 highest_cubist_thrills; you dont have to tell me that people illigetimately weaponise legitimate social issues
20:32 highest_cubist_thrills; its a fact
20:32 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, biab
20:32 schestowitz[TR]; this is not on topic anyway
20:32 schestowitz[TR]; we got epo leaks
20:32 schestowitz[TR]; corruption has no gender
20:33 highest_cubist_thrills; electric patent orchestra
20:33 schestowitz[TR]; "All the Appellant in the internal appeals registered under the numbers RI/2022/011-00 to RI/2022/011-39, RI/2022/011-41 to RI/2022/011-058 received an e-mail from the IAC Secretariat asking their view on the possible initiation of a test-case procedure. The answer should be sent by the 14 September. These appeals challenge the general decision of the education and childcare reform. Considering the complex aspects of the reform SUE
20:33 schestowitz[TR]; PO TH advises you to answer along the lines indicating below. The following text may be used as model when replying to the IAC Secretariat.
20:33 schestowitz[TR]; "
20:33 schestowitz[TR]; we have a big series coming soon
20:33 highest_cubist_thrills; thats what she said
20:34 schestowitz[TR]; datz sexist
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; wow, twitter is so dead
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; I just spent 20 minutes
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; looking at 10 days of notifications in 2 accounts
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; it's like half the life in that site, bots included, has vanished
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; becoming a ghost town within moonths
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; mastodon the same
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; apparwently FB
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; but I'm not there
20:35 schestowitz[TR]; it's dsocial control media as a whole that's collapsing
20:36 schestowitz[TR]; is anything of value happening in diaspora?
20:36 schestowitz[TR]; the major pods are not big
20:36 schestowitz[TR]; not after some shut down
20:37 schestowitz[TR]; https://the-federation.info/node/diasp.de
20:37 TR Bot; the federation - a statistics hub
20:37 schestowitz[TR]; 80
20:37 schestowitz[TR]; Monthly users
20:37 schestowitz[TR]; diasp.de
20:37 schestowitz[TR]; Last 6 months active users: 172
20:37 schestowitz[TR]; less than half
20:37 schestowitz[TR]; https://the-federation.info/diaspora
20:37 TR Bot; the federation - a statistics hub
20:37 AdmFubar; https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/09/17/how-clever-mechanics-keep-50-year-old-bart-trains-running-windows-98-ebay-and-scraps/
20:37 TR Bot; 50-year-old BART: How clever mechanics use Windows 98 and eBay
20:37 schestowitz[TR]; # of nodes doing down
20:37 highest_cubist_thrills; wow, twitter is so dead <- i dont agree
20:38 highest_cubist_thrills; anyone left doing free software uses it
20:38 schestowitz[TR]; active users falling
20:38 highest_cubist_thrills; but then again, dead from dead is dead so
20:38 highest_cubist_thrills; you may have a point
20:38 schestowitz[TR]; it's relative
20:38 schestowitz[TR]; it used to be big 5 years ago
20:38 MinceR; why would anyone interested in free software use shitter?
20:38 highest_cubist_thrills; thats what she said
20:38 schestowitz[TR]; twitter evn made first-ever profit that year
20:38 MinceR; it's not free, it's not even lightweight
20:39 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> why would anyone interested in free software use shitter? <- why would anyone wishing to suruve the next 10 years invade ukraine?
20:39 schestowitz[TR]; https://the-federation.info/
20:39 TR Bot; the federation - a statistics hub
20:39 MinceR; it's a wretched hive of corporate SJWs
20:39 schestowitz[TR]; diaspora is down, down, down
20:39 schestowitz[TR]; FB is so down even FB admits this to shareholders... years late
20:39 highest_cubist_thrills; diaspora never could get it up
20:39 schestowitz[TR]; https://the-federation.info/mastodon
20:39 TR Bot; the federation - a statistics hub
20:40 schestowitz[TR]; I should take some screenshots
20:40 schestowitz[TR]; of these graphs
20:41 schestowitz[TR]; it's a JS bloat
20:41 schestowitz[TR]; not real web pages
20:41 schestowitz[TR]; also very slow to load
20:42 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> it's not free, it's not even lightweight <- youre saying twitter is non-free
20:42 highest_cubist_thrills; im aware of this
20:42 schestowitz[TR]; mastodon.social almost a million usrrs
20:42 highest_cubist_thrills; github is also non-free, but gnu uses it
20:42 schestowitz[TR]; it's not decentralised
20:42 highest_cubist_thrills; i think shitter is bullshit
20:42 MinceR; gnu is dead
20:42 schestowitz[TR]; the lion's share of users remained in one place or few
20:42 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> gnu is dead <- i know
20:42 MinceR; and shitter is more of interest to the enemies of free software than to the community
20:43 schestowitz[TR]; one quarter of all users gets controlled by one person
20:43 highest_cubist_thrills; thats also true
20:43 schestowitz[TR]; or few mods
20:43 highest_cubist_thrills; and shitter is more of interest to the enemies of free software than to the community <- using shitter is a dumb idea
20:43 highest_cubist_thrills; yet even the people who are too wise to use github
20:43 highest_cubist_thrills; still use shitter
20:43 schestowitz[TR]; in mastodon.social only a quarter fo the user remains active
20:43 highest_cubist_thrills; it has not offended them sufficientl
20:43 MinceR; hopefully the community is not only such unwise people
20:44 schestowitz[TR]; based on 6 months
20:44 schestowitz[TR]; wow, or 7% based on this past month
20:44 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> hopefully the community is not only such unwise people <- the community is also dead, so
20:44 schestowitz[TR]; so only 1 in 12 users in mastodon.social is active this month
20:44 schestowitz[TR]; this is dying fast
20:44 schestowitz[TR]; better drop it like a hot place
20:44 schestowitz[TR]; *plate
20:44 schestowitz[TR]; it's going nowher fast
20:45 schestowitz[TR]; I wonn't do a post with screenshoits though as it would be like kicking a FOSS project while it's down
20:45 schestowitz[TR]; or "bashing" it
20:45 schestowitz[TR]; that's how people see it
20:45 highest_cubist_thrills; or kicking a puppy
20:45 schestowitz[TR]; diaspora and mastodon are dying projects
20:45 highest_cubist_thrills; die-aspora
20:45 schestowitz[TR]; the twitter and FB users leave... but not flocking to the fake promise of 'open' networks
20:46 schestowitz[TR]; that shut down, censor, won't let you download/move your data...
20:46 highest_cubist_thrills; I wonn't do a post with screenshoits though as it would be like kicking a FOSS project while it's down <- sympathy is foolish
20:46 schestowitz[TR]; it's twitter also
20:46 highest_cubist_thrills; antisocial media (including dumbarsepora and masturdon) featured prominently in the coup
20:46 highest_cubist_thrills; and theyre good for little else
20:46 schestowitz[TR]; February
20:46 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/02/10/social-control-media-bubbles/
20:46 TR Bot; Social Control Media is a Bubble and JoinDiaspora Might be the Next Casualty | Techrights
20:46 highest_cubist_thrills; dont kick it when its down, take it out back and shoot it
20:47 schestowitz[TR]; aged well
20:47 highest_cubist_thrills; like a sick horse
20:47 schestowitz[TR]; because FB collapsed
20:47 schestowitz[TR]; 80% fall I heard
20:47 schestowitz[TR]; and twitter is in chaos
20:47 schestowitz[TR]; due to musk
20:47 schestowitz[TR]; and its own whistleblower
20:47 schestowitz[TR]; the users don't turn to diaspora and mastodon
20:47 highest_cubist_thrills; i think shitter has recovered from musk, you just dont have a new story about it so youre stretching it out
20:47 schestowitz[TR]; they just get on with life... real life
20:47 highest_cubist_thrills; like musk is still relevant to any of this
20:48 schestowitz[TR]; no
20:48 schestowitz[TR]; many left
20:48 schestowitz[TR]; and never came back
20:48 highest_cubist_thrills; this is becoming a techrights trope
20:48 highest_cubist_thrills; many left!
20:48 schestowitz[TR]; twitter is still begging to sell
20:48 highest_cubist_thrills; dead real soon now!
20:48 schestowitz[TR]; because it loses money adn has no futurr
20:48 highest_cubist_thrills; mldrsn
20:48 schestowitz[TR]; other than mass manipulators for hire
20:48 highest_cubist_thrills; you could practically change the name of techrights to
20:49 schestowitz[TR]; "vell his ded"
20:49 highest_cubist_thrills; many left dead real soon (rights)
20:49 schestowitz[TR]; we still have a TON of material on github
20:49 schestowitz[TR]; but pacing publication down
20:49 schestowitz[TR]; grvaeley got fired
20:49 highest_cubist_thrills; nobody cares
20:49 schestowitz[TR]; but I want the hard document
20:50 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: microsoft care
20:50 highest_cubist_thrills; thats what...
20:50 highest_cubist_thrills; not even them
20:50 schestowitz[TR]; it's connected to github management
20:50 schestowitz[TR]; nat friendman is lawyering up
20:50 schestowitz[TR]; *friedman
20:50 schestowitz[TR]; sending material
20:50 schestowitz[TR]; for court cases
20:51 highest_cubist_thrills; good, maybe in a few years we will be joking #natfriedmandidntkillhimself
20:51 highest_cubist_thrills; i would laugh, but it wont change github is my point
20:51 schestowitz[TR]; these are ilk of mjg59_
20:51 highest_cubist_thrills; sort of
20:51 schestowitz[TR]; people who publicly advertise penis piercings and stuff
20:51 highest_cubist_thrills; definitely related
20:51 schestowitz[TR]; siock people who get naked at parties
20:51 schestowitz[TR]; but mjg59_ is not bothered by them
20:51 schestowitz[TR]; rms stares at peole
20:51 highest_cubist_thrills; people who publicly advertise penis piercings and stuff <- this is just your personal prudishness
20:51 schestowitz[TR]; that's breaking boundaries
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; take it out on the asperger people
20:52 highest_cubist_thrills; its hilarious that you say gender isnt relevant but you think penis piercings are
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; not github ceo getting naked at parties
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; and making rape JOKES
20:52 highest_cubist_thrills; /me informs roy that aspies get genital piercings too
20:53 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean it really does have nothing to do with anything
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; the same person also had underage sex
20:53 highest_cubist_thrills; its a red herring
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; with the CEO of a company
20:53 highest_cubist_thrills; right
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; that na is deeply connected to
20:53 highest_cubist_thrills; but when corporations do it, no one cares
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; right
20:53 highest_cubist_thrills; bill gates: no one cares
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; that's my point
20:53 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman: only said something in email
20:53 highest_cubist_thrills; well i agree
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: omg, some guy wrote tech articles
20:53 highest_cubist_thrills; people are stupid
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; and i don't agree on biology, so omg omg omg
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; bill gates? meh, nothinh here
20:54 schestowitz[TR]; "I want my next 6-figure salary job"
20:54 mjg59_; Oh, so you think transphobia is just a disagreement about biology?
20:54 schestowitz[TR]; go write about bill gates
20:54 schestowitz[TR]; go ehad
20:54 schestowitz[TR]; I can give you pointers
20:54 schestowitz[TR]; show your social justice warmanship
20:54 mjg59_; I concentrate on the free software community because that's what matters most to me
20:55 *mib_7i0wf4 (~b84bdfc3@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights
20:55 highest_cubist_thrills; you destroyed the community you care about
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; you find DaemonFC more objectinable than bill gates?
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; go on
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; answer that
20:55 highest_cubist_thrills; if you dont see that youre as ridiculous as eric s raymond
20:55 MinceR; well, DaemonFC certainly pays him a lot less than gAIDS does
20:55 mib_7i0wf4; ?
20:55 MinceR; so there's that
20:55 highest_cubist_thrills; with slightly different motives
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; hi, mib_7i0wf4
20:55 mjg59_; daemonfc is part of the free software community, so I find his behaviour more relevant to things I care about than I do Bill Gates'
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; hahahhaa
20:55 highest_cubist_thrills; rofl
20:55 highest_cubist_thrills; /me calls bullshit
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; you are a liar and phony
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; bill gates attacks our commmunity
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; and has done this since the 70s
20:55 highest_cubist_thrills; actually we need a new breed of cattle to categorise this level of shit
20:55 mib_7i0wf4; bill gates is here?
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; go hide under a rock
20:56 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe monsanto can create one
20:56 schestowitz[TR]; mib_7i0wf4: no, his workers
20:56 mib_7i0wf4; oh
20:56 highest_cubist_thrills; #billgatesdidntkillhimself
20:56 schestowitz[TR]; mib_7i0wf4 is more afraid of DaemonFC than from bill gates
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; oops
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, mjg59_
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; not mib_7i0wf4
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; that's how absurb the argument became
20:57 mib_7i0wf4; oh okay
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; so he would pick on some unemployed guy in IL
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; but won't touch a person who attacked FoSS for 50 years
20:57 highest_cubist_thrills; hes more relevant
20:57 highest_cubist_thrills; somehow
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; and bribes all the major media
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; and I'm m,eant to think this makes sense
20:58 highest_cubist_thrills; he wont attack ibm for killing millions based on racism
20:58 mib_7i0wf4; what are yall talking about
20:58 highest_cubist_thrills; some idiot in irc talking about eugenics is more relevant
20:58 schestowitz[TR]; even mjg59_ would constipate on his own buillshit by now
20:58 mib_7i0wf4; what is irc
20:58 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe the fsf can give dfc a nobel peace software award
20:58 mib_7i0wf4; just report him to mibbit
20:58 highest_cubist_thrills; obvious troll is obvious
20:59 schestowitz[TR]; mib_7i0wf4: mibbit is a gateway for irc
20:59 schestowitz[TR]; the troll we deal with dos not use mibbit
20:59 schestowitz[TR]; he uses a Saudi site
20:59 schestowitz[TR]; to defame me
20:59 mib_7i0wf4; okay then report him to irc
20:59 schestowitz[TR]; saudi site
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.98 average k/sec., average swarm size 157.75
20:59 schestowitz[TR]; where women are beheaded for witchcraft
20:59 schestowitz[TR]; and men for not believing in god
20:59 highest_cubist_thrills; back real soon
20:59 *highest_cubist_thrills has quit (connection closed)
20:59 schestowitz[TR]; mib_7i0wf4: we are the network
20:59 schestowitz[TR]; irc is decentralie
21:00 schestowitz[TR]; tthere is nobody to report to
21:00 schestowitz[TR]; *decentralised
21:00 schestowitz[TR]; he gets more protection in saudi twitter though
21:00 mjg59_; You literally run this server
21:00 mjg59_; It doesn't peer with anything else
21:00 mjg59_; It's not decentralised
21:01 mjg59_; You can kick me off here any time
21:01 schestowitz[TR]; then you will whine
21:01 mjg59_; Oh no
21:02 schestowitz-TR; you do;t understand the first amendement
21:02 schestowitz-TR; which applies to you
21:02 schestowitz-TR; not to me
21:02 schestowitz-TR; or section 230
21:02 mib_7i0wf4; i looked up irc and it doesnt say he owns it
21:02 schestowitz-TR; irc is softare
21:03 schestowitz-TR; ircd is a daemon that facilitates irc sessions
21:03 schestowitz-TR; and there are thousands of networks
21:03 schestowitz-TR; at least 500 large ones
21:03 schestowitz-TR; and they are separate
21:03 schestowitz-TR; anyoine can start one
21:03 schestowitz-TR; *anyone
21:03 mib_7i0wf4; so its basically discord without features
21:03 schestowitz-TR; unlike social control media or discord, there are no guilds
21:03 schestowitz-TR; all the networks stand on their own
21:03 schestowitz-TR; and might not rely on dns, either
21:03 schestowitz-TR; discord is centralised
21:04 schestowitz-TR; even if you think you use a "guild"
21:04 schestowitz-TR; they are controlled remoately
21:04 schestowitz-TR; same with matrix.org if I understand correctly
21:04 mib_7i0wf4; a guild is just a server right?
21:04 TR News; (NEW): Inside the GTK font chooser http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Inside_the_GTK_font_chooser.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Inside_the_GTK_font_chooser.gmi
21:04 TR Bot; Tux Machines Inside the GTK font chooser
21:04 schestowitz-TR; mib_7i0wf4: it is a virtual sub-scape
21:04 schestowitz-TR; still controlled by the same company
21:04 mib_7i0wf4; hunh
21:05 schestowitz-TR; which Microsoft wanted to buy at one point
21:05 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: The 1st amendment constrains the government's ability to constrain my speech, not anyone else's
21:05 MinceR; tencent owns at least part of discord, inc.
21:05 TR News; radeonsi/vcn: Add ability to encode with ltr (!18219) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18219?commit_id=9c5edda3ca29cd54fe7b57606878dc3e8702358f Source: freedesktop
21:06 TR Bot; radeonsi/vcn: Add ability to encode with ltr (!18219) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
21:06 MinceR; and the communist party of china controls tencent
21:06 mib_7i0wf4; not everyone lives in america so you have to consider the laws of everyone on the internet
21:06 MinceR; the laws of nature, the laws of man
21:06 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: You blocking my speech in any way has nothing to do with the 1st amendment
21:06 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: that explains a lot
21:06 MinceR; this volatile paradox will never stand
21:07 mib_7i0wf4; well some people just use free speech for their toxic language and its just gone too far
21:08 mib_7i0wf4; 1st amendment doesn't let you kill people
21:08 MinceR; "Guns don't kill people, I do!"
21:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]people who publicly advertise penis piercings and stuff
21:08 DaemonFC; Oh you mean a Prince Albert?
21:08 mib_7i0wf4; what
21:08 DaemonFC; Well, at least he didn't ascend to the throne.
21:09 TR News; "Take, for instance, the Kin, a social networking device which Microsoft spent a billion dollars developing just for it to be taken off the market after two months due to poor sales." https://www.inputmag.com/culture/aughts-gadgets-wikipedia-wikireader
21:09 TR Bot; A ragtag community that updates this aughts Wikipedia gadget
21:09 mib_7i0wf4; guns do kill people
21:09 DaemonFC; Guns don't kill people.
21:09 mib_7i0wf4; then explain shootings
21:09 mib_7i0wf4; hint you cant
21:09 MinceR; people kill people
21:09 DaemonFC; Leave your goddamned hands in your own pockets and walk the other way and don't mug me, and you don't need to worry about me shooting you.
21:09 DaemonFC; You know? Free advice.
21:10 DaemonFC; That's the difference between a lawful gun owner like myself and some ghetto hood rat.
21:10 *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@6byxczt6txq2u.irc) has joined #techrights
21:10 mib_7i0wf4; well you are making it a race issue but okay
21:10 *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@eq3snar22puje.irc) has joined #techrights
21:10 DaemonFC; Randomly shooting up the neighborhood with an illegal machine gun that they got despite the FOID Act somehow.
21:10 mib_7i0wf4; foid?
21:10 *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights
21:11 mib_7i0wf4; and being a lawful owner doesnt make it okay to kill people
21:11 mib_7i0wf4; not all blacks kill people with their guns
21:11 DaemonFC; highest_cubist_thrillshe just cant help himselfhighest_cubist_thrillsthis is how he saves the world, by stopping a blogger from reposting content from a guy he thinks is a dick
21:11 DaemonFC; Saw that. Yes, mjg59_ is kind of a sad strange little man.
21:11 TR News; (NEW): YuzukiTsuru's Yuzuki Chameleon Pops an Allwinner H616 Chip Into a Raspberry Pi Model A Form Factor http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/YuzukiTsuru_s_Yuzuki_Chameleon_Pops_an_Allwinner_H616_Chip_Into.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/YuzukiTsuru_s_Yuzuki_Chameleon_Pops_an_Allwinner_H616_Chip_Into.gmi
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21:11 DaemonFC; And he has my sympathy.
21:12 mib_7i0wf4; idk what happening but i think its all safe
21:12 mib_7i0wf4; just dont be a bigot is all
21:12 schestowitz[TR]; he is not trans, he is JUST USING TRANS PEOPLE... as a WEDGE
21:12 schestowitz[TR]; to advange his poor career
21:12 mib_7i0wf4; are yall talking about keffals?
21:13 mib_7i0wf4; hes not a guy
21:13 mib_7i0wf4; *she
21:13 DaemonFC; I'll bet he's an absolute delight at parties. "You're a transphobe! You're a racist! You're a strangler! You're a rapist! Oh, and did I tell you about my other friends from Microsoft? Oh Ryan thinks South Park is funny and that makes him worse than Hitler!" - mjg59_
21:13 schestowitz[TR]; there is name/word for this
21:13 schestowitz[TR]; but I forgot
21:13 highest_cubist_thrills; it should be familiar
21:13 DaemonFC; By transphobes, I mean Microsoft has transphobes who are in a position to do real damage and do real damage and want to and like it.
21:14 DaemonFC; And mjg59_ sucks up to THEM.
21:14 mib_7i0wf4; is he a transphobic?
21:14 schestowitz[TR]; graveley is relevant here
21:14 schestowitz[TR]; the things he said
21:14 schestowitz[TR]; manager of github copilot
21:14 schestowitz[TR]; of NO interest to mjg59_
21:14 DaemonFC; And when I say gee I just don't understand this and I'm mildly uncomfortable, but....I don't think we should do anything bad to trans people. I just think it's odd. He pounces.
21:14 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is pretty doubleminded.
21:14 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ is more afraid of DaemonFC than of bill gates
21:15 MinceR; you might be giving mjg59_ too much credit there :>
21:15 mib_7i0wf4; is DaemonFC transgender?
21:15 schestowitz[TR]; half-minded
21:15 mjg59_; mib_7i0wf4: No, just transphobic
21:15 DaemonFC; I don't hate trans people.
21:15 schestowitz[TR]; mib_7i0wf4: you're new
21:15 mib_7i0wf4; yeah
21:15 schestowitz[TR]; so I wll give you dsome background
21:15 DaemonFC; I don't suggest anything bad should happen to trans people.
21:15 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ is a very confused person
21:15 schestowitz[TR]; and a troll
21:15 schestowitz[TR]; he helps mirosoft
21:16 mib_7i0wf4; didnt you say you support guns
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; and then hides behind minority groups
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; inc. trans people
21:16 mib_7i0wf4; oh
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; to attack people who criticise him
21:16 MinceR; i support guns
21:16 DaemonFC; mib_7i0wf4didnt you say you support guns
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; using straw man arguments
21:16 MinceR; humans are weak and fragile and so need guns
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; he is her in irc because his time has NO VALUE
21:16 DaemonFC; I think everyone who isn't some sort of dangerous felon should open carry, including the trans people.
21:16 mib_7i0wf4; mjg59_: so you are a transgender?
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; so instead of getting shit done he is tryint to waste ours
21:16 mjg59_; mib_7i0wf4: No, but my partner is
21:17 mib_7i0wf4; i dont think its safe to let transgenders hav eguns because they like to kill themselves DaemonFC
21:17 *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights
21:17 DaemonFC; You're barking up the wrong tree, dude. Instead of attacking me, why don't you find someone who actually honestly hates them?
21:17 MinceR; do you believe it's impossible to commit suicide without a gun?
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21:17 DaemonFC; MinceRdo you believe it's impossible to commit suicide without a gun?
21:17 TR News; Using the Linux apropos command even if you have to fix it first https://www.networkworld.com/article/3674136/using-the-apropos-command-even-if-you-have-to-fix-it-first.html
21:17 TR Bot; Using the Linux apropos command even if you have to fix it first | Network World
21:18 DaemonFC; There's only about 999 other ways to kill yourself without a gun.
21:18 DaemonFC; Same as killing other people. Or a lot of people at once.
21:18 MinceR; pretty sure there are a lot more ways than that
21:18 mib_7i0wf4; well guns just give you another way
21:18 mib_7i0wf4; so it adds harm
21:18 MinceR; so do knives
21:18 MinceR; let's ban knives
21:18 TR News; 9to5Linux always says "GNU/Linux". Techrights' influence;-) https://9to5linux.com/debian-gnu-linux-11-5-bullseye-released-with-53-security-updates-and-58-bug-fixes
21:18 DaemonFC; If a person hates others that bad, or wants to die that much, they'll figure it out without a gun.
21:18 techuser; I remember "dumb ways to die" ad
21:18 TR Bot; GNU/Linux 11.5 Bullseye Released with 53 Security Updates and 58 Bug Fixes - 9to5Linux
21:18 MinceR; so does falling off cliffs
21:18 mib_7i0wf4; well knives are illegal in some places
21:18 DaemonFC; Only an idiot wants to ban lawful gun ownership.
21:18 MinceR; let's ban the Earth
21:18 MinceR; u got a loicence for that planet, m8?
21:18 mib_7i0wf4; so its not that crazy
21:18 schestowitz[TR]; mib_7i0wf4: depends on the kkind of knives
21:19 schestowitz[TR]; usually based on blade, length, tipp
21:19 schestowitz[TR]; and grip
21:19 MinceR; one can commit suicide by drowning in DHMO
21:19 MinceR; let's ban DHMO
21:19 DaemonFC; Right this very minute, using only things from Walmart, you could build a device that kills or maims about 50 people if you plant it right.
21:19 DaemonFC; That's....more dangerous than a gun.
21:19 schestowitz[TR]; let's ban bridges
21:19 mib_7i0wf4; well that can be banned
21:19 DaemonFC; We need to ban London Bridges.
21:20 MinceR; a human could strangle you to death
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21:20 MinceR; let's ban humans!
21:20 highest_cubist_thrills; mincer is a dhmo supremacist
21:20 DaemonFC; I hear they're falling down. Falling down. Falling down.
21:20 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: they are above water
21:20 highest_cubist_thrills; and roy lets him chat in irc because he doesnt care
21:20 DaemonFC; Sounds like a safety problem to me. We need to figure this out.
21:20 schestowitz[TR]; not a good way to commit suicide
21:20 mib_7i0wf4; okay i get what you are trying to say but its not okay to give transgenders guns if they are just going to kill themselves
21:20 DaemonFC; And only then we should reopen them.
21:20 highest_cubist_thrills; but effective
21:20 schestowitz[TR]; the thames... unless you cannot swim
21:20 highest_cubist_thrills; us vs thames
21:20 mib_7i0wf4; also they can just built better bridges
21:21 MinceR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity
21:21 TR Bot; Oxygen toxicity - Wikipedia
21:21 MinceR; it's time to ban oxygen.
21:21 mib_7i0wf4; not funny
21:21 MinceR; maybe to you
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; and paracetamol
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; you can buy it over the counter btw
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; they make limits
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; like 3 packsgs
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; so you go to 10 stores, get one pack in each
21:21 schestowitz[TR]; painful slow death, but gets the job done
21:22 schestowitz[TR]; and they only cost about 0.30 pounds
21:22 schestowitz[TR]; (don't try this at home!)
21:22 mib_7i0wf4; well this just turned into advocating suicide which is not cool
21:22 schestowitz[TR]; but jumping into a sidewalk is a lot cheaper and faster
21:22 mib_7i0wf4; esp when we are talking about trans women
21:22 MinceR; ooh, another SJW
21:22 schestowitz[TR]; mib_7i0wf4: no
21:22 schestowitz[TR]; that's not what I did
21:22 MinceR; we were running out of them... wait, what am i talking about?
21:22 mib_7i0wf4; im not a sjw just because i believe in human rights
21:22 schestowitz[TR]; someone brought up suicicde, knives, bridges
21:23 techuser; why is it wrong to know suicide methods?
21:23 schestowitz[TR]; and I said it's easy to do that for those who want to
21:23 DaemonFC; Right now, I'm engaged in some discussions about SeaMonkey.
21:23 mib_7i0wf4; because its going to convince more suicidal people to kill themselves
21:23 MinceR; apparently self-defense is not a human right
21:23 techuser; some of us don't want to live anymore
21:23 schestowitz[TR]; frank sinatra stuffed his head in the oven
21:23 schestowitz[TR]; terrible idea
21:23 MinceR; owning knives is also not a human right
21:23 DaemonFC; It turns out there's a plan to fork it and make the fork run on Goanna.
21:23 mib_7i0wf4; and alot of tiems those people are trans or trans-affiliated
21:23 mib_7i0wf4; what
21:23 MinceR; having access to oxygen is not a human right
21:23 schestowitz[TR]; hanging is a technical task
21:23 mib_7i0wf4; yeah?
21:23 schestowitz[TR]; and need equipment
21:23 DaemonFC; Which would probably make it a lot more compatible with the "modern" Web than what it is right now, chasing Firefox around as they drop APIs the Suite needs.
21:24 schestowitz[TR]; (i'm not suicidal... never was)
21:24 DaemonFC; The UX stuff is at least as important as the browser engine.
21:24 DaemonFC; Firefox is so incredibly dumbed down. It's horrible.
21:24 mib_7i0wf4; okay
21:24 mib_7i0wf4; just use chrome
21:24 DaemonFC; Then there's the issue of DRM.
21:24 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: that's by design
21:24 schestowitz[TR]; managemene's ddirection
21:24 schestowitz[TR]; they killed off xul
21:24 MinceR; it is a testament to how stupid humans tend to be that many humans are still struggling with the concept of separating a human intentionally performing an act from a tool used to perform that act
21:24 techuser; I'm depressed because tech is worsening and idk what else to do
21:24 schestowitz[TR]; and decided moz knows best
21:25 DaemonFC; SeaMonkey doesn't want to support DRM anyway.
21:25 MinceR; and this is the species that advertises itself as "intelligent"
21:25 schestowitz[TR]; pocket, tracking, google by default..
21:25 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]: SeaMonkey may survive the death of Mozilla if there's enough people in the community interested in it.
21:25 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: dep[ends on tech is used or what tech
21:25 MinceR; and as being Earth life's best chance of salvation against natural disasters
21:25 *MinceR sneers
21:25 schestowitz[TR]; don';t use smart [sic] phones
21:25 DaemonFC; I don't think many people will be interested in picking up Firefox and running with it.
21:25 mib_7i0wf4; so if someone kills someone you dont make killing illegal?
21:25 schestowitz[TR]; or social control media
21:25 techuser; non-spying search engines turned out to be nonexistent anyway
21:25 techuser; DuckDuckGo failed. Did it meant to succeed initially?
21:25 DaemonFC; Maybe picking the carcass and transplanting what makes sense to into the Suite.
21:25 mib_7i0wf4; what about duckduckgo
21:25 mixling; techuser: you could try simple chess computers from the 1990s, and there's books to learn playing chess
21:26 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: but gulag will still extend the web
21:26 schestowitz[TR]; so it'll be a battle to keep users
21:26 MinceR; i'd rather punish murder than pretend all killing is bad
21:26 schestowitz[TR]; people who need access to gov. sites, not just private sites like banks
21:26 schestowitz[TR]; mib_7i0wf4: duckduckgo is miceosoft
21:26 mib_7i0wf4; you cant just make it illegal without arresting the person
21:26 MinceR; curious
21:26 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
21:26 TR Bot; DuckDuckGo - Techrights
21:27 MinceR; what planet are you from, where making laws works like that?
21:27 mib_7i0wf4; what
21:27 highest_cubist_thrills; then then during the third reconciliation of the last of the meketrex supplicants, mozilla chose a new form, that of a giant sloar! many shubs and zulls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of a sloar that day, i can tell you...
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; https://medium.com/codex/btw-you-should-use-arch-74f542c02f90
21:27 TR Bot; You Should Use Arch. And why you should consider using Linux | by Jonas Itt | CodeX | Aug, 2022 | Medium
21:27 mib_7i0wf4; nevermind
21:27 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]DaemonFC: but gulag will still extend the web
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; btw
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; today:
21:28 mib_7i0wf4; its just different when you are talking about guns and "free speech"
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; [gets link]
21:28 DaemonFC; Well, I mean, theoretically, you could make the Suite code run on Webkit with enough work.
21:28 DaemonFC; That would be.....odd.
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> A prelude to Web censorship by Google: "The Chrome Root Program ultimately determines which website certificates are trusted by default in Chrome, and enables more consistent and reliable website certificate validation across platforms." https://blog.chromium.org/2022/09/announcing-launch-of-chrome-root-program.html Google: IMPERIALISM PRIVATISED
21:28 TR Bot; Chromium Blog: Announcing the Launch of the Chrome Root Program
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; posted hours ago
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; by gulagblog
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; gulag becomes "king of www"
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; they decide which sites you can and cannot enter
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; in addition to isps, dns, clownflare..
21:28 mib_7i0wf4; well thats good so that people dont go to bad websites
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; the web is closing
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; and PCs become more restricted too
21:29 DaemonFC; I think that would be pretty cool, honestly, if someone was to do that. Port the UX of SeaMonkey and get it up and running with WebkitGTK and the Webkit2 API.
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; we need to help people escape both
21:29 mib_7i0wf4; what
21:29 highest_cubist_thrills; no, because they do not care
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; mib_7i0wf4: in saudi arabia bad web sites speak of women voting
21:29 mib_7i0wf4; just dont use the internet if you odnt like it
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; or... ANYONE voting :-)
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; (they doin't have elections)
21:29 mib_7i0wf4; well we are not in saudi arabia
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; some are
21:30 mib_7i0wf4; oh sorry to hear that
21:30 DaemonFC; But obviously it would require a huge internal rewrite to port over XUL to run somewhere because the Suite runs on it, internally, and the add-ons would all be broken and turn into WebExtensions.
21:30 mib_7i0wf4; they should just leave then
21:30 DaemonFC; So that would suck.
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; and if we start labelng sites "bad" and block then, it's a slippery slope
21:30 DaemonFC; A lot more than running on Goanna.
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; gulag does this by technical means
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; not legal means
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; not moral meanms
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; "this site is NOT MORAL." [GET ME OUT OF HERE] (button pressed)
21:30 mib_7i0wf4; its not hard to know whats bad
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; it is
21:30 mib_7i0wf4; everyone can feel whats good and whats bad its not that hard
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; not everyone thinks like you
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; no
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; like I said, cultures on this planet are diverse
21:31 mib_7i0wf4; well its a democracy
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; some places still headhunt
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; some eat dogs
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; some kill women for adultery
21:31 mib_7i0wf4; oh yeah china
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; some cults glorify suicide
21:31 mib_7i0wf4; heh yeah
21:32 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]some eat dogs
21:32 DaemonFC; Like MARISOL.
21:32 mib_7i0wf4; is that in venezuela?
21:32 TR News; How to Compress Image Files on Linux Using Curtail https://www.makeuseof.com/compress-image-files-on-linux-using-curtail/ Source: Make Use Of | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.makeuseof.com/compress-image-files-on-linux-using-curtail/
21:32 TR Bot; How to Compress Image Files on Linux Using Curtail
21:32 DaemonFC; After dad kills it in the backyard, incompetently, and it whimpers until he hits it again a few times with the baseball bat.
21:32 DaemonFC; Right in front of the children.
21:32 schestowitz[TR]; in some parts of india you can get murdered for eating beef
21:32 schestowitz[TR]; because cows are holy
21:32 schestowitz[TR]; or more so if you SELL it
21:32 DaemonFC; mjg59_ doesn't really want to understand me.
21:33 mib_7i0wf4; all those kind of countries eat dogs just because they are poor like china,venezuela,north korea,cuba
21:33 DaemonFC; I don't want Mandy to ever have to go back there. It's the source of pretty much all of the serious trauma in his life.
21:33 schestowitz[TR]; if you knew someone next to you sold dogs as meat, you might expect someone to come with a gun and wipe out that person
21:33 DaemonFC; Nothing good ever happened to him there.
21:33 mib_7i0wf4; well you can just call the police
21:33 DaemonFC; But mjg59_ shakes hands with criminals and rapists who have ICE contracts.
21:34 mib_7i0wf4; what?
21:34 DaemonFC; Lots of ICE officers are Nazis because it's who is attracted to that sort of work.
21:34 mjg59_; (I don't)
21:34 DaemonFC; And they don't treat people like human beings.
21:34 schestowitz[TR]; the police is its own jar of worms
21:34 mixling; just curious, what is DaemonFC occupied with in Free/OpenSource software realm?
21:34 schestowitz[TR]; it's just another gang that might confront the gang you report to it
21:34 mib_7i0wf4; i dont think the government is nazis anymore
21:34 DaemonFC; mjg59_: You worked directly for these people for years.
21:34 DaemonFC; Your paychecks said GOOGLE.
21:34 mib_7i0wf4; they raided trump if you want proof, so why would they do it to themselves
21:34 DaemonFC; And you still use Microsoft Github.
21:34 DaemonFC; So if you had a big problem with it, you wouldn't have done that.
21:35 techuser; on suicide/murder topic also: what about euthanasia?
21:35 mib_7i0wf4; he got hacked?
21:35 DaemonFC; If a project uses GitHub, I don't communicate with them. I refuse to create an account there and use it on any level.
21:35 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: legit and hard question
21:35 mib_7i0wf4; well euthanasia is someones right
21:35 DaemonFC; The only reason why I have any dealings with the WebkitGTK people anymore is that they're still reachable over email and IRC.
21:36 mib_7i0wf4; lol who uses email
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; wait till 'linux' foundation adopts that too
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; LF is GitHub outsourcer
21:36 DaemonFC; If Apple is going to do issue tracking on Microsoft Github, then someone who has to use it anyway may as well report bugs for me.
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; sponored by gtihub
21:36 schestowitz[TR]; AND microsoft
21:36 DaemonFC; But they've essentially lost a lot of valuable contributions from me because of the switchover.
21:36 highest_cubist_thrills; github servancy con
21:37 mib_7i0wf4; why do people use linux
21:37 mib_7i0wf4; it just makes your computer stop working
21:37 schestowitz[TR]; btw, how is the LF doing with mozill's pass-over?
21:37 schestowitz[TR]; not a word really
21:37 DaemonFC; Because I've done a lot of testing of Webkit to figure out where bugs are and backtrace them and report on this.
21:37 highest_cubist_thrills; i think passover is a word
21:37 schestowitz[TR]; apache software fdn is whwer projects came to die
21:37 schestowitz[TR]; now it's LF
21:37 highest_cubist_thrills; its been a word for quite some time
21:37 highest_cubist_thrills; the word eyeball has been a word ever since shakespeare coined it
21:37 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/open-source-web-engine-servo-to-be-hosted-at-linux-foundation/
21:37 highest_cubist_thrills; he just made it up
21:38 TR Bot; Open Source Web Engine Servo to be Hosted at Linux Foundation - Linux Foundation
21:38 DaemonFC; And that's not always something they could do with automated tools because sometimes you point the stupid thing at actual Web content someone wrote as a garbled mess and that's better than a fuzz tester.
21:38 highest_cubist_thrills; now its a word
21:38 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/open-source-web-engine-servo-to-be-hosted-at-linux-foundation/
21:38 schestowitz[TR]; https://servo.org/
21:38 TR Bot; Servo
21:38 DaemonFC; More often, banks and Microsoft Web sites will make the engine crash before fuzz testing reveals anything.
21:38 schestowitz[TR]; "GitHub"
21:38 schestowitz[TR]; in a big button at the top"
21:38 DaemonFC; Because it's all spaghetti code.
21:38 schestowitz[TR]; former: mozilla
21:38 schestowitz[TR]; now: Jim Zemlin's and Sheela Microsoft's GitHub Foundation
21:38 schestowitz[TR]; https://blog.servo.org/
21:38 TR Bot; Servo Blog
21:39 DaemonFC; Microsoft 365's backend is so ugly that it relies on about 6 different servers running different operating systems and stuff to pull up a WebMail interface.
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; https://blog.servo.org/2020/11/17/servo-home/
21:39 TR Bot; Servos new home
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; lol
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; last blog post, 2 YEARS ASGIO
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; it's dead, Jim
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; (not zemlin)
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; her husband, Sheela
21:39 DaemonFC; And it feeds in JavaScript that is seriously malformed.
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/
21:39 TR Bot; Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; so servo is dea
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; dead
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; well, it's dead
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; next: webkit
21:39 DaemonFC; Why do they care? Chromium runs it. Call it a day. Go strangle and rape someone, Alex.
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; when it's passed over to Jim Zemlin's and Sheela Microsoft's GitHub Foundation
21:40 highest_cubist_thrills; github webkit
21:40 DaemonFC; Thanks for attacking Ryan and not us, mjg59_
21:40 DaemonFC; Here's another paycheck.
21:40 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: yes, I am aware
21:41 schestowitz[TR]; maybe bill said, "well, his dad"
21:41 schestowitz[TR]; what did Jeffrey's father do?
21:41 mib_7i0wf4; are you glorifying rape?
21:41 DaemonFC; I don't touch Chrome. The closes I get to Chrome is like maybe opening GNOME Web and paying my light bill and closing GNOME Web.
21:41 schestowitz[TR]; """""""you've been a vewwwwy naughty boy"
21:41 schestowitz[TR]; <mib_7i0wf4> are you glorifying rape?
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; no, missing reference
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; background
21:42 DaemonFC; Like 99.9% of the Web still runs well enough in SeaMonkey that you just need to open some unpleasant GAFAM-ish browser to pay a light bill or your credit cards, and then close it again.
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft has a manager
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; or HAD a manager
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; for github copilot
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; he was a serial strangler of women
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; but mjg59_ refuses to mention it
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; he does not care about women
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: btw, Graveley also strangled trans women
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; just so you know
21:42 DaemonFC; Remember when the Web was so small that Mozilla Suite ran fine on a computer with at least 64 MB of RAM?
21:42 schestowitz[TR]; but you don't give a shit
21:43 psydroid2; Manager of Strangling Operations
21:43 schestowitz[TR]; he is of your circle
21:43 highest_cubist_thrills; while mjg figures prominently enough
21:43 DaemonFC; And Microsoft paid ZDNet to say that was software bloat?
21:43 schestowitz[TR]; trans asian women
21:43 schestowitz[TR]; strangled
21:43 highest_cubist_thrills; youre too quick to forget the other traitors
21:43 schestowitz[TR]; and mjg59_ doesn't give a shit
21:43 DaemonFC; Now Microsoft Edge takes like 8 or 9 GB to have your tabs open.
21:43 schestowitz[TR]; but obsesses over DaemonFC
21:43 DaemonFC; That's not bloat, even though some Windows "11" computers only have 4 GB of RAM in them.
21:43 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/
21:43 TR Bot; [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley (Updated) | Techrights
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/11/microsoft-stranglers/
21:44 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XXV Microsoft Employs Serial Strangler as a Manager, Running GitHub Copilot in Spite of Arrest for Assault on Women | Techrights
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/13/github-vs-women-and-gpl/
21:44 TR Bot; Official Copy Detailing Crimes of Microsofts Serial Strangler, Who is Trying to Strangle GPL Enforcement/Compliance With GPL-Violating Copilot | Techrights
21:44 highest_cubist_thrills; have fun with mjg but there are several more like him
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/18/trial-of-alex-graveley/
21:44 highest_cubist_thrills; some might even be worse
21:44 TR Bot; Trial of Microsofts Serial Strangler, Who Also Manages GitHubs Copilot | Techrights
21:44 DaemonFC; Not liking JavaShit "apps" that are there to record your keystrokes and mouse movement and passwords and store it on servers unknown makes you a transphobe.
21:44 highest_cubist_thrills; dont overstress that line
21:44 DaemonFC; JavaShit is "security". War is peace. Freedom is slavery. - mjg59_
21:44 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/07/14/buried-or-spiked-alex-graveley-story/
21:45 TR Bot; The Person Behind Microsofts GitHub/Copilot Does Not Want You to Know About $25,000 for Suffocating Asian Woman (Almost to Death), Repeatedly in Fact, and There Are Prior Victims Too | Techrights
21:45 schestowitz[TR]; "tiny asian women" -Graveley http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/alex-gravelet-page3.jpg
21:45 highest_cubist_thrills; /me thinks mjg downplays kuhns role (but perhaps not)
21:45 highest_cubist_thrills; (but probably, yeah)
21:46 DaemonFC; Even if the purpose of those "apps" was benign, like your bank trying to profile its Web site and find bugs in it, the fact that it's third party makes it dangerous. And it uses your system resources to operate, which makes it a parasitic script.
21:46 highest_cubist_thrills; and its not just kuhn either
21:46 highest_cubist_thrills; hes just fun to mention because hes trying to take over the movement he killed
21:46 highest_cubist_thrills; and rebuild it in his own image
21:46 schestowitz[TR]; revenue down
21:46 schestowitz[TR]; a lot
21:46 DaemonFC; They're not recording your session on their server and saving it on their own storage.
21:46 highest_cubist_thrills; fsf: free software started in the 1980s
21:46 highest_cubist_thrills; osi: in 1998
21:46 DaemonFC; If they were doing that, it would be no worse than the information they already have anyway.
21:46 highest_cubist_thrills; sfc: whenever we founded this piece of shit
21:47 highest_cubist_thrills; sflc: wait a goddamned minute
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/14/sfc-income/
21:47 TR Bot; Software Freedom Conservancys (SFC) Income Fell 63% After Working to Oust the Founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), Richard Stallman | Techrights
21:47 highest_cubist_thrills; mjg: what? how dare you! my mother was a saint!
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; lf: we started in 2000
21:47 schestowitz[TR]; when zemlin was unemployed a
21:47 highest_cubist_thrills; ish
21:48 highest_cubist_thrills; lf started in 2000 when it wasnt lf
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; abut the name linux foundaiton started in 2007
21:48 highest_cubist_thrills; it started in both 2000 and 2007
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; when jimmy connected Torvalds to chose him over Stuart Cohen
21:48 highest_cubist_thrills; or maybe in the 1950s when all software was open source
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; (another Microsoft boot licker BTW)
21:48 highest_cubist_thrills; idk it means whatever you want it to mean
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; /s/connected/conned/
21:48 highest_cubist_thrills; (you dont say)
21:48 DaemonFC; SeaMonkey is a lot of things all at once, really. It's based on parts and pieces of Firefox 1.5-2.0. But it's running a fork of Gecko that has basically the capabilities of Firefox 78 ESR and a tad more, grafted on to Gecko 56 to keep some APIs and XUL interfaces that it needs. And it runs in single-process mode. But it's using GTK3, but with the X11 backend.
21:48 DaemonFC; So I need to use it with XWayland, which is fine.
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; in the 1950s was it on cards yet?
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; like the ibm machines?
21:49 DaemonFC; It's getting complex to the point of a small group of people who even understand it all anymore.
21:49 DaemonFC; And they're getting older.
21:49 schestowitz[TR]; 1940s: mechanical machins, not computers
21:49 DaemonFC; And if someone doesn't step in and maintain this eventually, years down the road, it may very well die.
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; ibm allready talks of gtk5
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; qt6 is proprietary. too
21:50 DaemonFC; But most of the SeaMonkey developers agree with me that Firefox, especially the UX and spyware, is a raging dumpster fire.
21:50 schestowitz[TR]; complexity as vendor lockin is an issue more people graspm now
21:50 DaemonFC; And Mozilla harasses them by throwing them out of their infrastructure and forcing them to spin off into a separate legal entity.
21:51 *mib_7i0wf4 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
21:51 DaemonFC; At first, the Suite was still officially Mozilla software.
21:51 DaemonFC; But that's not true anymore.
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; mozills runs out of money
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; it passes its money intoa private bank account
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; over 15 million in baker's cocount
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; she's too old to even spend that kind of money
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; so she is clinically broken
21:51 DaemonFC; MARISOL
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; in the head
21:51 DaemonFC; MARISOL Baker
21:52 highest_cubist_thrills; 1940s: mechanical machins, not computers <- thats a completely stupid thing to say
21:52 mixling; dumping shitcoins isn't a challenge
21:52 mixling; i had some ideas
21:52 mixling; a working netsurf-motif port
21:52 highest_cubist_thrills; they were absolutely computers
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: no cpi
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; *cpu
21:52 *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; and not programmable
21:52 highest_cubist_thrills; so they werent von neumann architecture
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak btw
21:52 highest_cubist_thrills; how many decades will you be a tech blogger and ignore the basics
21:53 DaemonFC; MARISOL lost at least $25,000 that she had speculatively invested in Bitcoins.
21:53 DaemonFC; Possibly more.
21:53 highest_cubist_thrills; and not programmable <- computers do not have to be programmable
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; "invested"
21:53 DaemonFC; I don't know whether she's panicked and sold them at a loss to get out.
21:53 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], :D
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; that is often newspeak for gambling these days
21:53 MinceR; btw btw
21:53 DaemonFC; Or if she's HODLING on some crack pipe dream that it will be "worth" upwards of $50,000 again.
21:54 DaemonFC; I know Mark probably isn't happy.
21:54 schestowitz[TR]; too bad
21:54 DaemonFC; They were already on the verge of collapse and now she'd only get half of the childrens' college money that she put in there.
21:54 schestowitz[TR]; he does not wear the trousers
21:54 DaemonFC; Her kids already hate her and call her "bitch" and get smacked all over the house for it.
21:54 schestowitz[TR]; he does not hold the dishes either
21:54 schestowitz[TR]; he "receives" them
21:54 DaemonFC; Lovely family situation.
21:54 schestowitz[TR]; airborne
21:55 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]: I know how old her kids are. I'm waiting to turn her over to the IRS until they're aged out of the house.
21:56 DaemonFC; She has about a year left before I go spill like the Exxon-Valdez.
21:56 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, ronnie stahp ur tramatizing meh
21:57 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22081623
21:57 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/bjtmjzrj1th91.jpg created on 2022-08-16 07:47:07.804885
21:57 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]: They already suffer enough I suppose.
21:57 DaemonFC; Their mom went and gambled away their "college fund".
21:57 DaemonFC; So if they want to make anything of themselves they face the choice most people do.
21:57 DaemonFC; Take on horrible debt and play the odds.
21:57 highest_cubist_thrills; /me wish he got the reference
21:58 DaemonFC; What an idiot.
21:58 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, https://i.imgur.com/ol5hsdb.jpg
21:58 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, jersey shore lol
21:58 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]: If she had invested the money in US Savings Bonds and taken it out to be spent on college, then not only would she have at least had the interest, but it would have been totally exempt from income tax.
21:59 MinceR; who watches jersey shore though
21:59 starstreak; i do
21:59 highest_cubist_thrills; ohhh
21:59 MinceR; or reality shows in general
21:59 DaemonFC; Setting up such a plan for your children is fiscally responsible. Putting it in Bitcoins isn't.
21:59 DaemonFC; She probably told herself she'd get it all back, send them to college and go fill up the garage with more shoes she doesn't even wear.
22:00 *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed)
22:00 starstreak; its my guilty pleasure
22:01 highest_cubist_thrills; mmmmmmm
22:01 DaemonFC; FedEx says my print order is ready. I'll pick it up tomorrow and get cracking on organizing, stapling, etc.
22:01 DaemonFC; I figure I can get 90% of the major boring shit out of the way before this month is over.
22:01 DaemonFC; Then I can just send in a smaller order next month.
22:04 XRevan86; https://gajim.org/post/2022-09-19-gajim-1.5.0-released/
22:04 TR Bot; Gajim 1.5.0 - Gajim
22:05 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
22:06 highest_cubist_thrills; starstreak: finished the book btw
22:06 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, that was fast :D
22:06 highest_cubist_thrills; i was intrigued
22:06 starstreak; do you have a magick name now?
22:07 TR News; Manhattan: Overheard Conversation gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-09-19.Manhattan.gmi
22:07 highest_cubist_thrills; no i only read it
22:07 highest_cubist_thrills; yes i know...
22:07 TR News; "I prayed for good star-gazing weather yesterday morning, and was blessed with a great opportunity last night, with skies clearing up for most part around 9pm." gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20220918-0.gmi
22:08 TR News; (NEW): Crystal Linux is a user-friendly take on Arch Linux that shows great promise http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Crystal_Linux_is_a_user_friendly_take_on_Arch_Linux_that_shows_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Crystal_Linux_is_a_user_friendly_take_on_Arch_Linux_that_shows_.gmi
22:08 TR Bot; Tux Machines Crystal Linux is a user-friendly take on Arch Linux that shows great promise
22:08 highest_cubist_thrills; im not the author, i dont do things without deliberating
22:08 highest_cubist_thrills; he prefers to ride the wave
22:08 highest_cubist_thrills; i prefer to look at the ocean and decide what to do next
22:08 starstreak; fair enough
22:08 highest_cubist_thrills; im most aligned to some jewish tradition anyway
22:08 highest_cubist_thrills; thats not set in stone
22:09 highest_cubist_thrills; but it is a default for me
22:09 highest_cubist_thrills; /me never converted
22:09 highest_cubist_thrills; im not religious
22:09 highest_cubist_thrills; certainly not in any formal sense
22:09 MinceR; http://www.cogniview.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/How-Do-I-New1.jpg
22:09 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, https://youtu.be/X9_n8jakvWU
22:09 TR Bot; https://y.com.sb/watch?v=X9_n8jakvWU
22:10 TR Bot; y.com.sb | Enrique Iglesias - I Like It (Official Music Video) - Invidious
22:10 DaemonFC; I created a big bug to track removal of some hilariously outdated UX stuff from SeaMonkey regarding Flash, Java, Plug-Ins, AOL Instant Messenger, etc.
22:10 DaemonFC; Lots of it got cleaned up in 2.53.12 but a few more things are coming out in 2.53.14.
22:10 MinceR; i prefer Gabriel to Enrique
22:11 DaemonFC; This is pretty much code rot and clutter.
22:11 TR News; (NEW): Gajim 1.5.0 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Gajim_1_5_0.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Gajim_1_5_0.gmi
22:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines Gajim 1.5.0
22:11 highest_cubist_thrills; no one loves julio anymore
22:11 DaemonFC; Better to remove it than to trip over it and continue putting functionless UI stuff in the user's face.
22:11 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: cheers
22:11 DaemonFC; Switching to Goanna would be interesting, because that would actually bring back NPAPI support.
22:12 DaemonFC; They never deleted it.
22:12 DaemonFC; So there's at least three versions of Gecko now. The one in Firefox and Thunderbird, the fork in SeaMonkey, and the fork in Pale Moon.
22:12 DaemonFC; "MoonChild" hasn't removed NPAPI even though you can't even really use it anymore.
22:13 highest_cubist_thrills; starstreak: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tH7Bcr3e3I0
22:13 TR Bot; I Like It Like That - Invidious
22:13 DaemonFC; It's an anachronism. Adobe disabled Flash using a remote backdoor.
22:13 DaemonFC; The only version getting updates that hasn't been remote bricked, I think, is distributed by a Chinese company under a license agreement.
22:13 TR News; Alan Shimel, Microsoft and proprietary software shill, keeps openwashing by pushing proprietary crap. Link omitted. It's like a spamnil groupie. Both facilitated by Jim Zemlin and Sheela Microsoft, the frauds. http://techrights.org/2019/09/09/attacking-foss-by-proxy/
22:13 TR Bot; Security Boulevard is a Microsoft-Connected Attack Site Created by a Free Software-Hostile Person | Techrights
22:14 DaemonFC; Modern Java doesn't have a browser plug-in, so you'd have to use something that has a lot of security holes to use Java through NPAPI/LiveConnect.
22:15 TR News; Bribing fools to install listening devices which corrode human rights of EVERYBODY in the home, inc. guests https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/echo-dot-and-amazon-music-unlimited/
22:15 TR Bot; Get an Echo Dot and 1 Month of Amazon Music Unlimited for Under $10 - Make Tech Easier
22:15 DaemonFC; Browsers don't need plug-ins from media players, and I think the media players have deleted them anyway.
22:16 TR News; This DIY strain wave gearbox is strong enough to pull a car | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/19/this-diy-strain-wave-gearbox-is-strong-enough-to-pull-a-car/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/19/this-diy-strain-wave-gearbox-is-strong-enough-to-pull-a-car/
22:16 TR Bot; This DIY strain wave gearbox is strong enough to pull a car | Arduino Blog
22:17 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, nice
22:18 TR News; maketecheasier: we take bribe for FAKE 'ARTICLES'. "This is a sponsored article and was made possible by AVC." So they take bribes from the subject of the 'article'. https://www.maketecheasier.com/avclabs-video-enhancer-ai-review/
22:18 TR Bot; AVCLabs Video Enhancer AI review - Make Tech Easier
22:18 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights
22:18 TR News; WWW in 2022: hate and spam with a little signal thrown in (if you know how to sensibly filter out the crap). It was NOT LIKE THIS 20 YEARS AGO.
22:19 mixling; argh... lua doesn't compile/link with slibtool, not yet
22:19 TR News; Types, Objects, and Systems, Oh my! | AWNCORP [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/al_newkirk/2022/09/types-objects-and-systems-oh-my.html Source: Perl
22:19 TR Bot; Objects, and Systems, Oh my! | AWNCORP [blogs.perl.org]
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:20 mixling; it's not as if i couldn't repair such problems, it is, after having pulled 300(!) builds into my overlay already, i am tired of this type of nonsense
22:21 TR News; 2022.38 Another Wave - Rakudo Weekly News https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/09/19/2022-38-another-wave/ Source: Rakulang | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//rakudoweekly.blog/2022/09/19/2022-38-another-wave/
22:21 TR Bot; 2022.38 Another Wave Rakudo Weekly News
22:21 mixling; huh, slibtool, why is that? because GNU libtool, it sucks
22:21 mixling; at least it seems, lua doesn't entangle with GNU configure.ac at least, that's an optional one, good.
22:21 TR News; "Whether images created by AI count as art, self-hosted audio streaming, a hex editor, playing Steam games from remote machines, QEMU on an iPad, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-195/
22:21 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 195 Late Night Linux
22:22 mixling; obviously, some other developers didn't loose their mind completely with lua
22:22 TR News; Blog: Kubernetes 1.25: Local Storage Capacity Isolation Reaches GA https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/09/19/local-storage-capacity-isolation-ga/ "Pods use ephemeral local storage for scratch space, caching, and logs"
22:22 TR Bot; Kubernetes 1.25: Local Storage Capacity Isolation Reaches GA | Kubernetes
22:22 mixling; i tell you this, with 600 builds, slibtool (from gentoo) went almost smooth and painless already
22:23 mixling; libtool, it is another GNU thing, no clue what this is good for, instead of writing clean Makefiles
22:24 mixling; seems to be another useless sort of macro expander, to generate snippets for static and dynamic linking
22:25 mixling; lua, it's MIT licensed... RMS department
22:25 TR News; Tiling Window Managers Are Just A Waste Of Time - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=b5kaEtv0BtE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/b5kaEtv0BtE
22:25 TR Bot; Tiling Window Managers Are Just A Waste Of Time - Invidious
22:25 mixling; i read somewhere, MICROS~1 prefers MIT type license
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; true
22:26 mixling; i don't care; all i see again is, the typical hack and slay over GPL (GNU-buildsystem implied) vs. NON-GPL
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; well, not fully
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft prefers proprietary
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; if the code is freee
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; then it prefers mit
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; then it cane 'steal' it
22:26 schestowitz[TR]; to make proprietary
22:26 mixling; and for this, i do blame both GNU _AND_ MICROS~1
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; and the mit stuff perishes away
22:27 mixling; GNU buildsystem is awfull
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; gnu is at fault for mit licence??
22:27 mixling; GNU toolchain, i don't like this one either
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; anyway
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; you have weird standards
22:27 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: for me it is not a licensing issue, i am an "unemployed" (independent) developer only
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; the other day you suggested you reject perl 6
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; because of just one developer
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; whom you don'\t like
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; bkuhn
22:28 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: no, i reject any later than perl version 5.8 for TECHNICAL reasons
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22:28 mixling; as far as licensing is concerned, all i do is complying with licensing terms
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; oh yeah?
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; show me where you released your versions?
22:28 mixling; and with this, neither MIT nor GPL are a problem for me
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; or where you send your changes/poatches
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; *patches
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; assuming you distribute them
22:29 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: i must not release anything if i do not deliver binaries, and i won't release anything without salary
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22:29 mixling; and with MIT license, i may release even, without sources supplied
22:29 schestowitz[TR]; that's not correct
22:29 schestowitz[TR]; you can releae
22:29 schestowitz[TR]; it's not a must
22:29 schestowitz[TR]; but "mmust not"
22:29 schestowitz[TR]; implies you must NOT
22:30 highest_cubist_thrills; wait kuhn is a raku dev?
22:30 mixling; problem with Perl any later than v5.8 is, they implemented some sort of virtualized memory management, some weird macros, which tcc-toolchain doesn't digest
22:30 schestowitz[TR]; can't be
22:30 mixling; i don't care, i intend to remove Perl entirely now
22:30 schestowitz[TR]; "giveuipgithub" after all
22:31 mixling; hence, Lua, because a script interpreter with regex support is desireable, of cause
22:31 mixling; vis-editor too is using Lua for this
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; of course
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; you keep making this error
22:31 highest_cubist_thrills; jokes aside...
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; and it gives away your name-shifting/nymshifting
22:31 mixling; in the end, it's technical reasons, to avoid GNU
22:32 mixling; not licensing issues, not political issues, technical issues
22:32 mixling; those technical issues slightly intersect with political and licensing ones, due to their strategy to vendor-lock, into GNU
22:32 mixling; with their build-system for example, which is, i don't like it, to remain polite
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; gnu is a chain
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; systemd is a chaioan
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; but the former does not try to lock you in
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; and ios not developerd by a corporation to sell support
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, gn
22:33 mixling; systemd isn't a problem for me, simply because i can remove it, easily
22:33 mixling; however, try the same with GNU toolchain AND GNU buildsystem, and then see what remains...
22:34 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu doesnt have to lock you in
22:34 highest_cubist_thrills; it has github for that
22:34 mixling; lua isn't an urgent issue, i could use vis-editor without it, however if, and i will do it, remove perl and python entirely
22:34 mixling; i wouldn't want to miss at least one decent scripting language, which lua is a candidate for
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22:35 mixling; is this just bad luck, some GNU buildsystem wreckage is hitting me?
22:35 mixling; probably not
22:35 mixling; and thanks gentoo, they implemented slibtool
22:35 mixling; because, without it... GNU again
22:36 mixling; slibtool too is MIT licensed
22:36 mixling; vis editor is ISC
22:36 mixling; however, i arrived at this, for _technical_ reasons, not licensing or political ones
22:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]: Talking to the guy doing Borealis Navigator (SeaMonkey fork on top of Goanna) about adding Gemini.
22:37 mixling; mjg59_: to keep it brief for you, i consider much of GNU/GPL licensed software bad quality
22:37 mixling; which is ok, if some students want to practice programming
22:37 mixling; that's a freedom issue to, of cause, to have a playground for them
22:37 mixling; too
22:38 mixling; however, it is NOT OK, if the buildsystem and toolchain from GNU leave nothing but giant wreckage behind
22:38 mixling; in particular, if IBM is invested with billions in this
22:39 mixling; to summarize this: python does NOT bootstrap/compile with tcc-toolchain, perl requires a version rollback to v5.8
22:40 mixling; and with lua, just mentioned another problem
22:40 mixling; and this was yet another two or three weeks of work... for what?
22:40 mixling; and then it becomes political; certainly won't I publish under terms of GPL for NOTHING in return except chaos and clusterfuck made in USA
22:41 mixling; while your affiliates stuff their pockets with millions of shitcoins
22:48 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: the reason "free software", either GPL or MIT vanishes is this, missing STANDARDS compliance
22:48 mixling; i mean, make, that's covered by POSIX
22:49 mixling; on my TODO i got another one, to verify a strictly POSIX compiliant make implemention:
22:49 mixling; https://frippery.org/make/
22:49 TR Bot; Public domain POSIX make
22:49 mixling; mjg59_: how much would you, guess, of "free software", invented by his holiness RMS, passes with a POSIX compliant make?
22:50 mixling; mjg59_: and how much time would you or RMS think i should invest into this, without compensation as usual, because it's free as in gratis
22:51 mixling; mjg59_: and how many other developers should suck up this? given the fact this problem multiplies across every developer desktop.
22:51 mixling; i would rather grant you and RMS the biggest anti-trust in history since WW2
22:51 mjg59_; I think targeting POSIX tooling is an uninteresting problem
22:52 mixling; i see
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22:52 DaemonFC; All build systems are crap, it's just that the GNU one is particularly interesting.
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22:52 highest_cubist_thrills; I think targeting POSIX tooling is an uninteresting problem <- oh hey, its lennart
22:52 DaemonFC; It's slow, it sends the user down the rabbit hole.
22:53 DaemonFC; It tests for every kind of obsolete system there's ever been and runs tests for I don't know what.
22:53 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah, corporations dont give a fuck about compatibility with what people made to be free of them
22:53 highest_cubist_thrills; theres a fucking surprise
22:53 highest_cubist_thrills; as soon as they take over free software
22:53 highest_cubist_thrills; they have to break it all
22:53 highest_cubist_thrills; because its "uninteresting"
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22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; hell thats even the in handbook for destroying the free software movement
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; compatibility is for losers
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; its cool to break shit-- like a rockstar
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; thats INTERESTING
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm is edgy
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; they broke millions of people
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22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; but dfc is more relevant
22:55 highest_cubist_thrills; move fast and gas jews
22:55 DaemonFC; Did I say I wanted to gas the Jews?
22:55 DaemonFC; I don't seem to recall that.
22:56 highest_cubist_thrills; takeover of free software by people who planned, orchestrated and executed genocide of millions: not relevant
22:56 highest_cubist_thrills; dickhead in irc who says regressive bullshit: FASCINATING
22:56 highest_cubist_thrills; if you get your moral compass from a box of weetabix, you might have stupid priorities
22:57 highest_cubist_thrills; or you just might be utterly full of shit
22:57 DaemonFC; Software that has switched to meson builds a lot faster than stuff that still uses autoconf.
22:58 highest_cubist_thrills; mjg: targeting toolchain made for freedom: so uncool
22:58 highest_cubist_thrills; monsanto: targeting genomes that the farmers of the world have organically nudged towards ideal crops over millennia: so uncool
22:59 highest_cubist_thrills; lets target toolchains that corporations use to control people
22:59 highest_cubist_thrills; and call this progressive
22:59 highest_cubist_thrills; and then if someone doesnt like it, we will tell lots of lies about them
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 55.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 48.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 149.36
22:59 highest_cubist_thrills; and lead a mob of people who to be perfectly honest
22:59 highest_cubist_thrills; disgust me far more than dfc, even if he is a gay nazi piece of shit hypocrite
23:00 highest_cubist_thrills; probably because no one gives a shit what he thinks
23:00 mixling; DaemonFC: meson and autotools, such, both
23:00 mixling; forget it
23:00 highest_cubist_thrills; while these hypocritcal cunts destroy DECADES of activism
23:00 mixling; suck
23:00 highest_cubist_thrills; just fucking die already.
23:00 mixling; crap
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; honestly, youre a waste of carbon.
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; swallow a gun.
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; eat a fucking bullet
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; just fucking die.
23:02 mixling; i do agree however, POSIX make isn't the most urgent issue
23:03 mixling; mjg59_: given the fact i consider any later than gcc47 wreckage
23:03 mixling; and GNU toolchain itself, given it relies on GNU buildsystem
23:03 mixling; i mean, RMS MUST have known, as the inventor of POSIX
23:04 mixling; mjg59_: btw. GNU buildsystem autoconf/automake, that's not backwards compatible
23:04 mixling; out of curiosity, i was interested in some older software pulled from the archives
23:04 mixling; "free software"
23:04 DaemonFC; What is the minimum gcc for Linux now?
23:04 DaemonFC; 5?
23:05 mixling; and then, i type autoreconf -if
23:05 mixling; whatever reason it was, i though, lemme try TeTeX
23:05 mixling; sure, that's not interesting either, what an epic mistake to attach this one to GNU buildsystem
23:05 mixling; nowadays, it's gone
23:06 DaemonFC; https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/15/linux_kernel_gcc_5_1/
23:06 TR Bot; Linux kernel minimum compiler raised to GCC 5.1, allowing potential C11 use The Register
23:06 DaemonFC; "Gcc-4.9 support has been an annoyance for some time, and with -Werror I had the choice of applying a fairly big patch from Kees Cook to remove a fair number of initializer warnings (still leaving some), or this patch series from Nick that just removes the source of the problem," said Torvalds.
23:06 mixling; instead of one GNU-buildsystem, i have to install several versions of it... i won't
23:07 mixling; mjg59_: i will REMOVE GNU
23:07 mixling; and i won't suck your UEFI crap either
23:07 mixling; sorry i am in bad mood currently
23:08 mixling; guess how much time this had cost?
23:08 mixling; and it's not as if, my time, was worth nothing
23:08 highest_cubist_thrills; if anyone gave a shit what dfc thinks id tell him to die too
23:08 highest_cubist_thrills; but i dont see a mob of 3000 eugenics-loving cunts following HIM
23:08 highest_cubist_thrills; if that day comes-- ill be sure to make good on it
23:08 mixling; furthermore, this insane wreckage, had multiplied across hundreds of thousands of developer desktops
23:09 DaemonFC; https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/13/linux_5_15_rc1/
23:09 TR Bot; Linus Torvalds admits to 'self-inflicted damage' with -Werror as Linux 5.15 rc1 debuts The Register
23:09 DaemonFC; The NTFS merge shows that they don't actually care about code quality or whether there's even an actual maintainer they can get ahold of.
23:09 DaemonFC; Maybe mjg59_ will maintain it for them since anyone that doesn't like NTFS is a transphobe and rape apologist.
23:11 DaemonFC; GitHub Alex apologized to the court for rape and strangulation and they gave him a diversion program.
23:11 DaemonFC; That's not White Privilege though, because he's a Microsoft person.
23:11 mixling; next time RMS walks on stage, he may announce: "We got something for you, a free vendor-lock against us, to work for zero income and legal threats in return"
23:12 DaemonFC; I don't know why the court accepts an apology. He didn't rape and strangle the judge.
23:12 DaemonFC; Strange concept of "justice" in this country.
23:13 mixling; i mean, i am not obsessed with RMS, replace this with any other one of the cartell mobsters.
23:13 mixling; it's not specific to him
23:13 mixling; it's just, guys like RMS and mjg59_ take the pride for "free software", hence they had to take responsibility alike.
23:14 mixling; next time you walk on stage announce this: "come, join us, we give a shit about minimum wage"
23:15 DaemonFC; Mr. GULAG probably has one of those relationships where he's either forced his "partner" into some sort of an "arrangement" or just does it openly to "her" and brags about it.
23:15 DaemonFC; Either way, it's disgusting and a total dick move, but hey....
23:16 DaemonFC; He overcompensates for it by attacking me.
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23:17 mixling; https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791772
23:17 TR Bot; 791772 dev-lang/lua-5.4.2-r1 - /.../luac.c:352: undefined reference to luaG_getfuncline
23:18 mixling; Reported: 2021-05-24 07:30
23:18 mixling; allright, Google too is drowning in shitcoins, trillions of it
23:18 mixling; then why, tell, why should i bother with this?
23:19 mixling; add to this, i was educated as Telco Engineer
23:19 mixling; meaning, i got other things to do
23:19 mixling; mjg59_: maybe i am not as smart as you or RMS
23:19 mixling; however, i could do a fourier transform on a dirac impluse, limes this against dt->0
23:19 mixling; and see the nuke blow up over California
23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
23:20 mixling; oh, wait, CENSORED
23:20 mixling; except, if you're employed by them
23:21 mixling; to my understanding, it's well prepared to blow up things in my neighborhood instead?
23:22 mixling; the economic warfare doesn't suffice? blow up things in Europe?
23:22 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1571987573614219265
23:22 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile in Russia: pundit on state TV asserts that all Western leaders who want to sanction Russia and teach the Russian people a lesson are Nazis: Joe Biden, Olaf Scholz, Sanna Marin, Ursula von der Leyen et al. More in my recent article: "|nitter.it
23:25 DaemonFC; Microsoft apparently made a Hello World C that ran for over 15,000 source lines of code once, or something like that.
23:25 DaemonFC; They did the Hello World in the Windows 3.1 era, so it's not even like you can joke "It depended on Internet Explorer!".
23:26 DaemonFC; mjg59_ was probably using Internet Explorer as his default Web browser.
23:26 DaemonFC; Insisting that "all the interesting people do".
23:26 DaemonFC; "Anyone who doesn't like it is a transphobe and a rape apologist!"
23:26 DaemonFC; "If you don't embed it, you're missing out!"
23:29 mixling; none of the east-german military stockpiles sufficed to take aim at USA
23:29 mixling; and even if, it's all dismantled
23:31 mixling; in the end, that's what they understand, at RAND corp and inside Pentagon
23:32 mixling; and inside east-germany, the government itself, sold-out to the "class enemy", to cash in dividents
23:34 mixling; i think, the west-german military, they wish-thinked to harvest, they do need staff
23:34 mixling; that's another, those shallow charlatans and generals on TV
23:34 mixling; and their expertise
23:35 mixling; it's a people's army without people
23:35 mixling; my grandmother had a book in her shelf: "Mann ohne Volk" (Man without People)
23:35 mixling; this was written in 1930s already...
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23:38 mixling; no clue, why i would attach to anything what is agitated by the "class enemy"
23:38 mixling; your freedom, not mine
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23:40 mixling; i am probably one of the last students, who listened to german-speaking lectures, in one of the oldest universities, globally
23:40 mixling; most east-germans, are portrayed as "un-productive" "incompetitive" dumb-fucks
23:40 mixling; it's an _old_language, better to say it was
23:40 mixling; there won't be another generation, of universtity staff
23:42 mixling; because, in all universities, they replaced the staff with loyal minions
23:44 mixling; "Mann ohne Volk"(Mann without people), written by, Arnold Krieger(warrior)
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23:45 mixling; didn't read it... it's war propaganda from 1930s some time
23:47 mixling; i think, all those books vanished, for good reason; didn't know, they planned for and seeked to eradicate all people and their memories
23:47 mixling; maybe, my mindset is still too heavily occupied, by cold-war era
23:48 mixling; because, this is when i was raised, in the middle in between
23:48 mixling; and, among my family, we all had been in the middle in between, always
23:48 mixling; we didn't just watch boms dropping on TV, those hit our cities
23:49 mixling; we didn't just watch poverty and unemployment statistics on TV
23:50 mixling; meaning if, one or another favor could be returned, to USA and their affiliates
23:50 mixling; instead of talking about it, fully comprehend it
23:51 mixling; if your entire tech industry is shut down, in an instant
23:51 mixling; and _EVERYONE_ looses their job
23:51 mixling; all companies disappear
23:51 mixling; the language you spoke as a child, it's all gone
23:52 mixling; the books, music, movies, family, everything
23:52 mixling; 1990, the "liberation"
23:53 mixling; instead of English, you'll all speak old-german language, all literature and the entire internet, no English anymore
23:53 mixling; because, it's all "uncompetitive" "unproductive" useless crap what you do
23:54 mixling; AT&T will be placed under supervision of Russian Telecom, all documents and standards rewritten in Russian
23:54 mixling; and standards, ship in 10variants each
23:54 starstreak; lol
23:55 Helenah; :3
23:56 starstreak; hey Helenah :)
23:57 Helenah; I'm smoking god knows what (street cannabis)
23:57 starstreak; fun
23:57 starstreak; its legal in Canada
23:57 MinceR; aggi is smoking pure ruscism
23:58 MinceR; while his fuhrer can't even afford to fuel vehicles as far as kyiv
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