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00:00 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: I did 3 quick blog posts on vocid-19 i australia today
00:00 DaemonFC; Walmart's policy on vaccine side effects being "at your own risk and you have to use PPTO hours" is stupid, even for the company.
00:00 schestowitz[TR]; 17% rise in deaths this year
00:00 schestowitz[TR]; in first 6 months
00:01 reptilian_thrills; weve replaced the 17% rise in deaths with folgers crystals
00:01 reptilian_thrills; lets see if anyone notices
00:01 DaemonFC; If you get COVID, they have to put you on an excused leave of absence for 5 days through Sedgewick, and if it gets severe, they have to start paying out Short Term Disability, which could go on for up to six months.
00:01 DaemonFC; It all depends on how your doctor feels about your ability to work.
00:01 DaemonFC; So they play with fire.
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00:02 reptilian_thrills; but they wont notice, because folgers crystals are the same as placebo
00:02 DaemonFC; They risk having to pay an employee who is sick with Long COVID for months or even a year (LTD) at 60% of their pay rate if it goes that way.
00:02 reptilian_thrills; its placebo coffee
00:02 MinceR; No its becky
00:02 DaemonFC; When they could have just given them time off to account for a vaccine.
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00:03 DaemonFC; For every employee who skips the vaccine and gets Long COVID, they could have paid the entire store to take two days off for vaccine side effects.
00:03 MinceR; s/N/n/
00:03 DaemonFC; So this makes no sense even for the company.
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00:04 DaemonFC; That's in addition to what it costs their group plan to treat the COVID.
00:04 DaemonFC; And potential life insurance payouts to their surviving family if they die.
00:05 DaemonFC; I mean this quickly adds up. There's no cost that is worth a single human life in dollars, if you ask most people, but economists have a funny way of being able to assign dollar value to the damndest things.
00:05 schestowitz; libera: -Shelob/Wallops- We just released a blog post highlighting some new and upcoming features of the network. If you are a chanop, the new features may be of particular interest to you.
00:05 DaemonFC; Not having the COVID vaccine days policy in place and discouraging boosters, Walmart will end up paying thousands of dollars out in benefits per dollar it saved by saying "Just skip the vaccine and go to work!" to everyone.
00:06 DaemonFC; It's stupid. It shouldn't even be legal.
00:06 psydruid; rust is cool because it uses llvm
00:06 DaemonFC; So? You can use LLVM with C.
00:06 MinceR; and with C++
00:06 reptilian_thrills; {ibm, llvm} :(
00:07 psydruid; and llvm requires a lot of ram to build itself
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00:07 reptilian_thrills; llvm requires a lot of ram to build itself <- its been a long road, gettin from there to here
00:07 psydruid; it makes you want to have 16 GB in your system
00:07 DaemonFC; Yeah, a compiler that builds itself followed by crashing while building the new compiler, followed by the debugger coming up and trying to make sense of it all, and then crashing, and being debugged by a debugger gets a little bit meta.
00:08 DaemonFC; Thanks Apple!
00:08 reptilian_thrills; wil wheaton: "i think i have that medal around somewhere for being the most hated person in star trek if the guy who wrote the enterprise theme song wants it"
00:08 psydruid; and laugh at the poor people who are stuck with much less than that
00:08 reptilian_thrills; SOARING SO HIGH, ABOVE THE WORLD! NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD FEEL SO FREE
00:08 reptilian_thrills; IM ONE WITH THE BIRDS, AND MAGIC IS ALL I SEE!
00:08 psydruid; that's modern computing for you, you poor sobs!
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00:08 DaemonFC; Compilers are hell.
00:09 starstreak; i liked enterprise
00:09 DaemonFC; Many projects "handle" them simply by holding back on some ancient compiler that they know works.
00:09 reptilian_thrills; me too
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00:09 reptilian_thrills; i didnt call it enterprise though, i called it tpol
00:09 MinceR; Yeah, never thought id be in the air / Im just a fluffy cute Teddy Bear / Lord Satan, look at me! Oh, Whoa! / Never thought id feel so well / It'd be funny if somebody fell / Hey, whats that burning smell? / Oh, its your mother playing card games in hell
00:09 starstreak; lol
00:09 DaemonFC; Every time you bump the compiler and rebuild the OS with it, you'll get more bugs that you can't anticipate.
00:10 reptilian_thrills; tpol on a spaceship in spandex
00:10 reptilian_thrills; that was rick bermans working title
00:10 *psydruid is going to start a compiler building enterprise
00:10 DaemonFC; Compiling SeaMonkey with Clang 15.....
00:10 reptilian_thrills; enterprise compilers are awesome
00:10 DaemonFC; "I too like to live dangerously!"
00:10 reptilian_thrills; helenah has a rig that can run one (maybe two of them)
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00:11 DaemonFC; You couldn't have Austin Powers movies today.
00:11 reptilian_thrills; that thing is amazing. a setup like that should have a spaceship built around it
00:11 reptilian_thrills; and tpol. in spandex. at the helm
00:11 reptilian_thrills; our helm
00:11 reptilian_thrills; were going to need a bigger boat
00:11 DaemonFC; I mean, could you imagine the jokes like Ivana Humpalot or Alotta Fagina or Robin Swallows.
00:11 reptilian_thrills; i felt bad for chip until he basically scored with tpol though
00:12 reptilian_thrills; because i always thought he looked like bush jr
00:12 TR News; Microsoft AstroTurfing - first page update in SEVEN years http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=AstroTurfing&diff=16761&oldid=prev
00:12 TR Bot; AstroTurfing - Techrights
00:12 reptilian_thrills; and that made the show harder to watch
00:12 TR News; Wikipedia is being manipulated and is becoming a Public Relations machine; today we take a closer look into the cover-up that comes after Nat Friedman, Miguel de Icaza, and their close friend Alex Graveley leaving Microsoft http://techrights.org/2022/10/16/nat-friedman-theauthenticco/
00:12 TR Bot; Microsoft AstroTurfing: GitHubs First Puppet CEO May Be Violating Wikipedia Rules With Reputation Laundering by Proxy (Hiding the Serial Strangler From Microsoft/GitHub) | Techrights
00:12 DaemonFC; The whole list of character names was basically just one giant shitpost that was there to make you groan more than laugh.
00:12 reptilian_thrills; i kept waiting for tony blair to show up
00:12 starstreak; reptilian_thrills, i also love discovery
00:12 reptilian_thrills; never watched it
00:12 starstreak; its really good
00:12 reptilian_thrills; i dont have a tv, and im not big on torrents
00:13 starstreak; i noticed
00:13 starstreak; i have a tv hooked up to my laptop, i watch shows and chat with people
00:13 reptilian_thrills; i used to use a tv for reading books
00:13 reptilian_thrills; i read several of cory doctorows books that way
00:13 starstreak; i dont have the patience for books
00:13 reptilian_thrills; it was a big tv, it was free, i literally picked it up off the sidewalk
00:13 starstreak; i listen to audiobooks while i play diablo 3
00:14 reptilian_thrills; well id put the book as html from txt
00:14 reptilian_thrills; then id load it in a browser at a font that was like an inch tall
00:14 schestowitz[TR]; I do that with techrights
00:14 reptilian_thrills; then id scroll through using the mouse, with the tv about 5 feet away
00:14 reptilian_thrills; so i was watching the books on tv
00:14 schestowitz[TR]; not TV
00:14 reptilian_thrills; and its a very fast way to read-- much faster than paper
00:14 schestowitz[TR]; audio is slow for reding
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; and harder to absorb
00:15 DaemonFC; Someone activated Garrett last night and he went on a really bad fit about someone "insulting" his "partner".
00:15 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> audio is slow for reding <- <reptilian_thrills> then id load it in a browser at a font that was like an inch tall
00:15 reptilian_thrills; audio is fine if your audio FONT is an inch TALL roy
00:15 DaemonFC; You know if I felt so strongly about someone that I was willing to go on and on for hours cursing at someone for insulting them, I'd be married to them.
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; I mean 'readingg'
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; text->audio-> listening
00:15 reptilian_thrills; ...
00:16 reptilian_thrills; /me reboots roy and sees if it fixes it
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; I tried it almost 20 years agio
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; with some journal papers
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; it's hard to figure out the paper
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; with a voice sythesiser
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; reading a paper works a lot better
00:17 schestowitz[TR]; that was 2003
00:17 DaemonFC; I grabbed a bunch of cheap carpet remnants and spent last night putting them together.
00:17 schestowitz[TR]; I was a phd student who tried to 'read' the papers while doing chores
00:17 DaemonFC; Now it looks like we have proper carpeting instead of something you'd throw over your back porch.
00:17 schestowitz[TR]; but you can barely absorb the concepts in the paper
00:17 schestowitz[TR]; with a voice
00:18 schestowitz[TR]; things that are written for ... well, reading, are made for reading
00:18 schestowitz[TR]; podcasts assume people see no text
00:18 schestowitz[TR]; and so the pauses and all are different
00:18 schestowitz[TR]; and you can say some words more slowly
00:18 reptilian_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> things that are written for ... well, reading, are made for reading <- ill keep that in mind when SETTING the FONT on the BROWSER
00:18 reptilian_thrills; /me thinks roy is proving that text doesnt work either
00:18 schestowitz[TR]; those are two different things
00:19 reptilian_thrills; it would be funny if explaining this in "audio" was more effective
00:19 starstreak; hearing a book lets my imagination focus on the imagery
00:19 reptilian_thrills; /me holds a sign outside roys place that says "YOURE NOT EVEN A TV"
00:19 schestowitz[TR]; ok, your batner mood is on
00:19 TR News; (NEW): Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux Kernel 6.1 Release Candidate http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/16/Linus_Torvalds_Announces_First_Linux_Kernel_6_1_Release_Candida.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/16/Linus_Torvalds_Announces_First_Linux_Kernel_6_1_Release_Candida.gmi
00:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux Kernel 6.1 Release Candidate
00:19 reptilian_thrills; no, its just youre responding to thinks that werent said.
00:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
00:20 reptilian_thrills; once again
00:20 reptilian_thrills; it wasnt audio
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00:20 reptilian_thrills; and you dont get it.
00:20 reptilian_thrills; and text isnt working for you, despite what you just said
00:20 dope_dealer; whos got the skrilla
00:20 reptilian_thrills; i was just talking about tech, ironically
00:20 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: I was responding to starstreak
00:21 schestowitz[TR]; you said how you read
00:21 reptilian_thrills; well, thats fine
00:21 reptilian_thrills; my bad then
00:21 *dope_dealer gives some dope to reptilian_thrills
00:21 reptilian_thrills; maybe later dope_dealer
00:21 schestowitz[TR]; and the convention of books from txt to html to high font browser rendering
00:21 schestowitz[TR]; to which I responded, I do the same in TR
00:21 schestowitz[TR]; I write the posts in kate
00:21 schestowitz[TR]; pure text, with some basic masrkupo
00:21 reptilian_thrills; well i obviously need to make the font on irc bigger
00:22 schestowitz[TR]; then it goes into wordpress, then blow up the fonts and read while standing or whatnot
00:22 starstreak; sometimes i like to lay down, close my eyes and listen to an audiobook and just let my imagination run wild
00:22 starstreak; i also like to listen to books when i go for a walk
00:22 reptilian_thrills; and just let my imagination run wild <- my imagination doesnt run, it walks carefully and probably just sits and reads a book
00:28 TR News; IPFS in Techrights turns 2 shortly (later this month). The site turns 16 next month. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/ipfs/
00:29 TR News; Get the weather in a Web browser? That's a 200MB program. Same can be done with Gemini at less than 1MB. gemini://caolan.uk/cgi-bin/weather.py/wxfcs/352509 gemini://auragem.space/weather/imperial/location?manchester
00:30 TR News; Gemini may exceed 3000 capsules by year's end gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi gemini://botond.online/en/stats/
00:33 DaemonFC; https://imgur.com/a/gjzWVLv
00:33 TR Bot; The magic of the Internet
00:33 DaemonFC; There's the COVID trend for the local sewage system over the past four months.
00:34 DaemonFC; COVID is spiking again as of around the time I took us for the bivalent booster.
00:34 TR News; 200k deaths later parts of the UK refuse to report any further deaths. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England
00:34 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England )
00:35 reptilian_thrills; ive been to the future and starstreak only uses cp/m
00:35 reptilian_thrills; because she got tired of modern things
00:35 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: shut the toilet lid when flushing
00:35 reptilian_thrills; she doesnt even use package managers anymore, she just pokes software directly into ram
00:35 schestowitz[TR]; we still wash groceries and quarantine
00:35 schestowitz[TR]; until there are more answers
00:36 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: colleagues like these break systems
00:36 schestowitz[TR]; impulisvely adding "news" things
00:36 schestowitz[TR]; and causing stable systems to become erratic
00:37 reptilian_thrills; to be fair, she doesnt complain about instability much
00:37 reptilian_thrills; granted its sheer luck, since shes using systemd
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> "A Plea for Lean Software" by Prof. Niklaus Wirth https://liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/88032.html
00:37 TR Bot; liam_on_linux | "A Plea for Lean Software" by Prof. Niklaus Wirth
00:38 reptilian_thrills; but for someone using a rofl release distro she seems to have it running ok
00:39 reptilian_thrills; i think rolling release distro is a perfectly good option for people who want the latest software and i always have
00:39 reptilian_thrills; the thing is, i dont personally have that much faith in development
00:39 reptilian_thrills; so i prefer things that have been fucked with at a minimum
00:40 reptilian_thrills; obviously having the latest versions should be an option-- i dont think its a virtue, but options are (sometimes) a virtue
00:40 TR News; Eyesore: all the files here.. PROPRIETARY Microsoft formats. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2022
00:40 TR Bot; Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics
00:40 starstreak; none of my stuff crashes
00:40 reptilian_thrills; <starstreak> none of my stuff crashes <- yeah, credit where credit is due
00:41 reptilian_thrills; personally i have seen (first hand) the kind of breakage that systemd causes
00:41 reptilian_thrills; its ridiculous, thats why i call it out
00:42 reptilian_thrills; but its also true that starstreak doesnt have these problems-- or at least, hasnt complained about them recently
00:42 reptilian_thrills; and if you take systemd out of the equation, the point is that rolling release (in fairness) doesnt always mean instability
00:42 TR News; Impressive 10% for GNU/Linux. Who needs a new PC when you can download Garuda? https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india/#monthly-200901-202210
00:42 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share India | Statcounter Global Stats
00:42 reptilian_thrills; i dont trust it, i dont want it-- but if it works, it works
00:43 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], So COVID cases rose by 500% between 9/24 and 10/11 in Beach Park, which is next to Waukegan.
00:43 reptilian_thrills; at least some of what people say about rolling release is prejudice
00:43 reptilian_thrills; but before i was too sure id ask mincer, because hes good at examples of breakage
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; it does not spike linearly
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; but biden "pandemic is over"
00:43 reptilian_thrills; i havent run an arch based distro in years
00:43 DaemonFC; We got vaccinated with the bivalent booster on 10/6 (me) and 10/9 (Mandy).
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; let me check death totals in USA
00:43 DaemonFC; Mandy says "No wonder lots of people are calling in and coming in wanting tests all of a sudden.".
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; who tracks it rthere?
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; cdc?
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; no
00:44 DaemonFC; Because I showed him the sewage data.
00:44 reptilian_thrills; usa sucks but its dying
00:44 DaemonFC; They're hiding it, schestowitz[TR]
00:44 reptilian_thrills; inb4 pseudoscience
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00:44 DaemonFC; They know nobody except a "crank" like me would look at the sewage data.
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm
00:44 TR Bot; State and National Provisional Counts
00:45 DaemonFC; There's a surge going on in Beach Park right now, but things are only just starting to rise in Waukegan.
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00:45 DaemonFC; Which means I timed the booster exactly right.
00:46 DaemonFC; If we get "good" level of protective antibodies from it, it should be good enough to "avoid hospitalization or death" for like 8-10 months.
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; only goes up to march 2022
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; 7 months ago
00:46 DaemonFC; And the worst of the surge should be over by about March.
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; and back to jan 2021
00:46 DaemonFC; Yeah, we're seeing this October to March thing with COVID, with the worst months being January and February.
00:47 DaemonFC; It's moving along like flu and cold season does.
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; I'm going to ODF it
00:47 DaemonFC; Usually January and February are peak flu in Illinois.
00:47 DaemonFC; The "experts" like to tell you to wait for the end of October for a flu shot, but this year it's picking up about a month early.
00:48 DaemonFC; So flu season may run through March, but the ideal timing of the flu shot is "now" if you can, before you get caught up in this December mess.
00:48 schestowitz[TR]; can you find me csc data for 2018-2020?
00:48 schestowitz[TR]; death totals?
00:48 schestowitz[TR]; they seem to 'hide' it
00:48 DaemonFC; They don't want panic.
00:48 DaemonFC; Remember? Trump said it.
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; " Page last reviewed: July 20, 2022"
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; i'll try internet archiuve/.wayback machine
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm
00:49 TR Bot; Wayback Machine
00:50 DaemonFC; My grandmother is a weird one.
00:50 DaemonFC; She always took two flu shots.
00:50 DaemonFC; One in September and one in January.
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; 2019
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; https://web.archive.org/web/20200714210636/https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm
00:50 TR Bot; State and National Provisional Counts
00:50 DaemonFC; I told mom "They make high dose shots for the elderly. Why not just get one of those and be done with it?".
00:51 DaemonFC; When you get old, nothing wants to work right anymore.
00:51 DaemonFC; So you need to give them a dosage that's like 40% higher to make sure they have sufficient flu immunity.
00:51 DaemonFC; They've known this for a while now.
00:52 DaemonFC; The flu is usually an extreme danger to babies and the very old.
00:52 DaemonFC; Mom skips her flu shot every year and gets the flu instead.
00:52 DaemonFC; She goes "Oh, those don't work.".
00:53 DaemonFC; I said, "Well, I've gotten the flu shot every year since 2006 and I haven't had the flu since I lived with you and dad and you wouldn't get my vaccinated and you brought it home from the hospital every winter.
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00:54 DaemonFC; I mean, they were a couple of idiots who had no business being married, much less entrusted with kids.
00:54 DaemonFC; But there are no rules for how can be a parent when you're an opposite-sex couple.
00:54 DaemonFC; So on the medical front, it's been a lot of playing catch up with vaccines I should have gotten at a much younger age when I had good health insurance and didn't.
00:55 DaemonFC; Because of those two.
00:55 DaemonFC; And suddenly in the past 10 years I've had decent health coverage again and said "Hey, they pay for these, so here's $1,000 worth of vaccines that I should have gotten in childhood.".
00:55 DaemonFC; They let me get chickenpox even though there was a vaccine for that too.
00:56 DaemonFC; Dad didn't give a fuck and mom's an antivaxxer.
00:56 DaemonFC; The only vaccines I remember getting were the ones where Indiana wouldn't let you into public school if you didn't have.
00:56 DaemonFC; And they didn't have all this religious bullshit back then, or I wouldn't have gotten those either.
00:57 DaemonFC; They had "Either you take care of your kids or you go to jail and we'll take care of your kids for you.".
00:57 DaemonFC; That's what they had back then.
00:57 DaemonFC; Times were better.
00:57 DaemonFC; Now the entire country is going straight to hell, schestowitz[TR]
00:58 DaemonFC; It's not the place I grew up in at all. Idiots, total idiots are running it. The inmates have taken over the asylum.
00:58 DaemonFC; I mean, like more people were religious back then and we didn't have all these vaccine exemption laws.
00:59 DaemonFC; Because even though it's gone from like 92% religious to like 76%, the 76% have shifted into some really creazy shit, man.
00:59 DaemonFC; So they're more dangerous now than they've ever been before.
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; uploading data
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 88.43 average k/sec., average swarm size 127.18
00:59 DaemonFC; I mean, back then it was are you Catholic, Wesleyan, or Methodist.
00:59 DaemonFC; Now it's are you Pentecostal or Baptist?
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01:02 TR News; CDC Data: US Deaths About 25% Higher This Winter Than Last Winter Before COVID-19 https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/17/cdc-data-on-us-deaths/
01:02 TR Bot; Blog Archive CDC Data: US Deaths About 25% Higher This Winter Than Last Winter Before COVID-19
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; you can double-check my numbers
01:03 DaemonFC; My second cousin is one of the assistant pastors at the church we all used to go to, apparently.
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; linked to the source of the data
01:03 DaemonFC; I haven't seen any of them in years.
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; and sadly they don't break down deaths by age groups
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; would be interesting to see the increase among younger people
01:03 DaemonFC; Noah Farmer is the pastor. I wonder how John and Carrie are doing. Those were the ones that were always in trouble.
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; in UK my age group saw 10% increase in deaths
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; 25% is not about covid purely
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; just says a lot about people's survival rate
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; like, if they survived but barely
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; supluss of almost 200k people in just 3 months
01:04 DaemonFC; Yeah, it went down a bit from 2018-209.
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; in 2022
01:04 DaemonFC; *2019
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; biden:
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; pandemic is over
01:05 DaemonFC; And then 2020, 2021, and 2022 were like whoa.
01:05 schestowitz[TR]; but even 2022
01:05 schestowitz[TR]; dont' expect 2023 to be back at 2019 levels
01:05 schestowitz[TR]; people's bodies are messed up
01:05 schestowitz[TR]; the "new normal"
01:05 schestowitz[TR]; good for pension providers
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; fewer people redeem the money
01:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Then mom acts like I'm Charles Manson for asking Mandy to take a vaccine.
01:06 DaemonFC; We'll see how she likes getting COVID over and over until "That wasn't much." turns into lung disease.
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; same as my mom
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; she said to me
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; repeatedly,
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; "I'm living"
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; orwant to staart living again
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; I tell her
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; no
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; you will die
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; and faster
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; dying faster is not living
01:08 schestowitz[TR]; staying at home a couple of years to live a couple of years longer is worth it
01:08 schestowitz[TR]; brb, finishing work after a 4th night in a row
01:11 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Next year, I'm just going to plan ahead and ask Mandy to be taken off the schedule at work for a couple days.
01:11 DaemonFC; That way he doesn't have to cover them with anything.
01:12 DaemonFC; They're saying new vaccine every year now.
01:12 DaemonFC; Which looks very likely.
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; it'll be interesting to see cdc figures next winter/year
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; january 2023 is near
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; if the numbers don't improve, the pandemic is staying and still killing a lot
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; ignore "excess mortality"
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; the definition is typically 5-year average
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; so they average over prior pandemic years
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; https://web.archive.org/web/20180625181344/https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm
01:13 TR Bot; Products - Vital Statistics Rapid Release - State and National Provisional Counts
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; 2017 data
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; 2016:
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; 246,000
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; 230,000
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; 244,000
01:14 DaemonFC; My doctor isn't a bullshitter.
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; 2017:
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; 263,000
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; 234,000
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; 251,000
01:14 DaemonFC; She advised me to take the updated booster.
01:15 DaemonFC; If I come across a doctor who I feel is a bullshit artist or doesn't give a fuck, I just move on and try another one.
01:15 DaemonFC; There's only one down at the Health Department who isn't a quack/bullshit artist.
01:15 DaemonFC; And I nudged Mandy into requesting her.
01:15 DaemonFC; I've been very happy with her. Hope she never leaves.
01:16 DaemonFC; They had to fire his last doctor (quack) for "reasons we can't discuss with you".
01:16 DaemonFC; How terrifying is that?
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; 27.2% higher than 2016
01:16 DaemonFC; She's the one that nuked him with statin drugs.
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; I will update my post
01:16 DaemonFC; I started cutting them in half.
01:17 DaemonFC; And when he got in with the one he's seeing now she said, "I agree with Ryan. You don't need what you were taking. Half's good. Your numbers are great.".
01:17 DaemonFC; It's amazing what people let unqualified doctors do to them.
01:17 DaemonFC; He was going around going "Ouch ouch ouch, my joints hurt!" and when I cut his pills, it stopped.
01:18 DaemonFC; And then his new doctor goes "Yeah, that's probably why.".
01:18 DaemonFC; And his old one smiled and told me "Oh, Lipitor doesn't do thaaaaat!".
01:18 DaemonFC; I'm on a statin too. Crestor.
01:19 DaemonFC; The drug companies tell the doctors to start with 10 mg. I asked to start with 5 mg. My LDL-C came down 48% at the minimum dose!
01:19 DaemonFC; There's a lot of people out there running around popping twice as much of their statin drug as they need and wondering why they have memory loss and joint pain and shit.
01:19 DaemonFC; And it's their idiot doctor.
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01:20 DaemonFC; These are POWERFUL drugs.
01:20 starstreak; cocaine is a hell of a drug
01:20 DaemonFC; And at their minimum doses, they cover the needs of like 90% of the patients out there.
01:20 reptilian_thrills; yeah i put my feet up on his couch!
01:21 DaemonFC; Crestor is so powerful that at 5 mg, you know, you can barely even see the damned pill.
01:21 reptilian_thrills; "why did i mess up his couch? so he could get a new one"
01:21 DaemonFC; And it packs a punch. It lowers cholesterol more than Lipitor 20 mg. And it was designed that way so they could market it that way.
01:21 DaemonFC; Do you have patients who have cholesterol that's hard to control?
01:21 DaemonFC; Our 5 is better than their 20.
01:21 DaemonFC; And Lipitor was the same. Our 20 is better than their 40.
01:22 schestowitz[TR]; new normal: massive deterioration of global health
01:23 schestowitz[TR]; except in china. it's not reporting :D
01:23 DaemonFC; It reminds me of that Star Trek: TNG episode where an entire barter economy had been devised around a drug that one planet produced as their sole product, and the other planet needed to treat a disease. The drug cured the disease, but it also had a narcotic side effect.
01:23 schestowitz[TR]; mortality rates or life expectancy improved for decades
01:23 DaemonFC; So this planet producing it decided that instead of helping the other planet, they'd just continue refining the drug until you could pack enough for the whole other planet in a few boxes.
01:23 frog; the deterioration of health doesn't affect everyone as sort of a social justice measure
01:23 schestowitz[TR]; not the curse goes the other way, steeply
01:23 schestowitz[TR]; *curve
01:23 frog; lower income groups, die earlier
01:24 schestowitz[TR]; that too
01:24 schestowitz[TR]; but it was always like that
01:24 DaemonFC; You could tell how the economies were going on both planets.
01:24 DaemonFC; The drug dealer planet was well dressed, well educated, fat and lazy.
01:24 DaemonFC; And the planet depending on the drugs were poor and agrarian, wearing beat up overalls.
01:25 DaemonFC; Going "Please give us more!".
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01:25 schestowitz[TR]; this us data is more shocking than I expoected
01:25 DaemonFC; That episode nailed the red state opioid epidemic in like 1987, and nobody paid any attention to it until like 2010?
01:25 schestowitz[TR]; still looking at the spreadsheet
01:25 schestowitz[TR]; us economy was crap even in 2016
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; that's the trump year
01:26 frog; schestowitz[TR]: i still consider the mono-causal approach to COVID and vaccination irritating, and inappropriate, to explain any mortality data
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; and 202k more people died in jan-mar this year
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; (than back then)
01:26 DaemonFC; Trump said it was all fake at the 2016 debate and that if interest rates went up even a little bit it would all come flying apart.
01:26 DaemonFC; Nobody listened.
01:26 DaemonFC; Nobody wanted for Trump to be right sometimes.
01:26 starstreak; a broken clock is right twice a day
01:27 DaemonFC; We're not out of the woods on the hyperstagflation era.
01:27 DaemonFC; Not by a long shot.
01:27 DaemonFC; As long as Biden and the Democrats can keep inflating the money supply, this will keep getting worse.
01:27 starstreak; inflation is part of the great capitalist conspiracy, not Biden
01:27 DaemonFC; And student loan repayments were having a deflationary effect.
01:28 DaemonFC; Now that they're going to be "forgiven", the economy will overheat again, triggering more rate hikes, and fewer jobs.
01:28 DaemonFC; Pausing student loan repayments this long was a terrible mistake, and forgiving them is a worse one.
01:28 DaemonFC; It ensures that the Fed rate hikes will go on into the double digits.
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; "Without a real strategy to regulate rents, President Biden lacks a real strategy to fight inflation" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/13/rent-too-damn-high-biden-pressured-act-housing-costs-fuel-inflation | Source: Common Dreams
01:29 TR Bot; 'Rent Is Too Damn High': Biden Pressured to Act as Housing Costs Fuel Inflation
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; techrights-news> "Median rent across the country is over $2,000 for the first time ever. And people simply cant afford it." https://www.democracynow.org/2022/8/11/activists_call_biden_address_rent_crisis
01:29 TR Bot; As Rent Soars & Evictions Spike, Will Biden Address Housing Crisis with Same Urgency as Gas Prices? | Democracy Now!
01:30 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], We can't move. If we do, we'll be stuck paying $1,200 a month for a place this size anywhere else in town, if we can even get in at all.
01:30 DaemonFC; That would be so much worse than $925.
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01:30 DaemonFC; We'd have to go live in "North Chicago" (which is actually right beside Waukegan and makes Waukegan look like the Emerald City in comparison. lol).
01:31 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], MARISOL shops at the Walmart all the time now with the GHETTO PEOPLE.
01:31 DaemonFC; Everyone's getting knocked down, apparently.
01:31 DaemonFC; From where they were.
01:32 DaemonFC; OH, and EGGS, schestowitz[TR]
01:32 DaemonFC; The eggs are up another $7 per 60.
01:32 DaemonFC; They went from like $6 for 60 of them in 2020, to $17 for 60 of them now.
01:33 DaemonFC; The price of eggs has nearly tripled in two years.
01:33 DaemonFC; So my dad was right. We're there now.
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; sounds like ripoff, DaemonFC
01:33 DaemonFC; Biden's running a special on eggs. Pay for three dozen, but only get a dozen.
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; for about $1000 or 900$ you get this: https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/125585699#/media?channel=RES_LET&id=media16&ref=photoCollage
01:34 TR Bot; 2 bedroom apartment for rent in Ashton Old Road, Manchester, Greater Manchester, M11
01:34 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], The 60 count is the cheapest, per egg.
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; next to a decent part of town
01:34 DaemonFC; It's 8 cents more per egg in the dozen count.
01:34 DaemonFC; So like 60 are actually $17.28 right now.
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> The price of eggs has nearly tripled in two years.
01:34 DaemonFC; So like $17.68 if you buy 60 by the dozen.
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; many people just don't buuy them anymnore
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; until they almost expire
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; and then we take them :-)
01:35 starstreak; linucks btw
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; later today we carry about 25 KG in coins
01:39 frog; grocery stores don't stockpile regular plant oil anymore (sunflower or rapeseed)
01:39 frog; only at excess prices, which increased +300% in a few weeks 1euro/liter to 4euro/liter since february
01:40 frog; doesn't make a relevant dent in my budget, nonetheless, it makes me think, what's going on with this
01:40 TR News; Linux and WordPress now have the SAME latest version number: 6.0.2. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/166581519416722@kroah.com/
01:40 TR Bot; Linux 6.0.2 - Greg Kroah-Hartman
01:40 frog; because plant oil to can be used with diesel combustion engines, or they are shipping this globally elsewhere
01:41 schestowitz[TR]; x4 seems obscene
01:41 frog; to afghanistan or wherever they ran out of supplies
01:41 schestowitz[TR]; here it's about 80% increase
01:41 schestowitz[TR]; in a year
01:41 frog; the bottle i bought recently sold for 2Euro/liter rapeseed oil, same price as diesel fuel at the petrol station
01:42 frog; however, there is rarely any remaining for sale
01:42 frog; often margharine (~2.50/Kg) is out of stock too, in two grocery stores here... wondering what's going on
01:43 frog; i have another suspicion, and theory about this
01:43 frog; regardless of the price, i consider this a very dangerous trend
01:44 TR News; Josh Bressers: Episode 345 Cheap hacking devices turn security upside down https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/10/16/episode-345-cheap-hacking-devices-turn-security-upside-down/
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01:45 TR Bot; Unix/Linux Command Syntax Convention - Invidious
01:46 frog; most sausages and meat products, which i like to eat during winter season, are very expensive, and very low quality
01:46 frog; recently i found, a sausage contained 25% drinking water and cellulose to thicken this, and the price for this sausage was rather high, and they cheat with another 25%
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01:47 TR News; iTWire - Oppo takes next logical step, launches first tablet in Australia https://itwire.com/mobility/oppo-takes-next-logical-step,-launches-first-tablet-in-australia.html Source: IT Wire
01:47 TR Bot; - Oppo takes next logical step, launches first tablet in Australia
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01:47 frog; weird
01:48 frog; anyway, sausage quality is rather low nowadays; in comparison to what my grandmother cooked herself, without cellulose, and too better quality meat
01:50 frog; they didn't keep pigs anymore, they only went to the farmer and had it butcher for them, to produce sausage themselves, and conserved it in glasses
01:50 frog; ed
01:50 frog; what is sold in grocery stores nowadays, even when labeled as a type of sausage, is nowhere near real farmer's quality often
01:51 frog; conserved meat, is particularly low quality, too much fat, to heavily grinded, to few spices, too much salt, disgusting
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01:52 frog; sometimes i was watching youtube videos, east-german cooking until 1990, some of which is for fun and nostalgia, and too the memories food was better quality
01:54 frog; same with cookies, and cake, self-made one, even when grandma added some industrial pudding or little vanilla aroma, they didn't safe on ingredients
01:54 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D731.jpg
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01:55 frog; and fresh fruits from the garden, many east-germans had a little garden, even in the cities, where they spent most of their free time during summer
01:56 frog; which was amazing for children too, even when the typical soviet housing wasn't luxurious, the weekend-life in the garden communities was great
01:56 schestowitz[TR]; AGGIculture
01:56 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, gn
01:56 frog; sleep well
01:56 schestowitz[TR]; ty
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02:01 frog; the garden-community life too was heavily regulated, just like many other aspects of soviet life-style
02:03 frog; any garden owner had to comply, 75% of the garden soil had to be used for farming, even when it was only a tiny garden, some tomatoes, strawberries, no more than a few square meters for barbeque space with gras, no asphalt or stone
02:04 frog; there was even some democratic elections, for the supervising body of gardening, who will inspect rules are complied with, which they did regularly
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02:08 frog; i mean, if i had a choice, i would dispose the modern comfort of remote heating and internet, and travel back in time to heat with coal instead
02:09 frog; at least, this was affordable, and warm during winter
02:09 frog; quality of commodity goods was decent too, and most of it, made in germany, not made in china
02:10 frog; problem with this was, scarcity, it was often difficult to buy any goods, almost all of it was produced domestically
02:11 frog; which is interesting too, with some documentaries, when any electronics part was missing in east germany, this had to be produced domestically too
02:11 frog; this fundementally changes the perspective, onto the modern tech industry, and their volatile global supply chains
02:13 frog; you simply couldn't order any part from anywhere, you had to produce it yourself, in coordination with industry and universities, and the political committees
02:13 dope_dealer; frog: you are one crazy nigga
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02:16 frog; it's contradicting, because east-german economy was in trouble, nonetheless high-tech was still produced domestically
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02:17 frog; even the Brits ordered some computers from east-germany for evaluation (some early z80 type system from Erfurt)
02:18 frog; the Epson matrix type printers, were produced in east-germany too, and resold with different branding elsewhere
02:18 frog; i think, the matrix printers were developed and produced in east-germany, and then production moved to Asia and appeared in western stores
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03:03 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, The government admits that we spent most of 2022 in something about the size of the Delta COVID spike.
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03:03 DaemonFC; Situation normal!
03:04 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], One thing is that the people at the top of the government don't care.
03:06 DaemonFC; They're all vaccinated and get the best care anyway if they do get sick.
03:07 DaemonFC; They spent most of the worst parts of this saying reopen the economy because the people of the working age population were unlikely to die from it.
03:07 DaemonFC; To them, the nursing home age population is a drag on the economy and pressure to do something about Social Security.
03:07 DaemonFC; So they're not real worried about if they die or not.
03:08 DaemonFC; They don't much like anyone on Social Security, but the ones in long term care are costing the government the most, by far.
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03:10 DaemonFC; https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/311934852_547443170523468_699479813173865667_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=8ahB5riAh2cAX_tOhq-&_nc_oc=AQnBVoLBk47E-tHdTqltSqO0lMIv7kQNUJFeP8gt8d7x4Q9HQ5sVmE0c8EwPcxXb-Vc&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-1.xx&oh=00_AT-rirDKZnf2eeZ8iaVIRvHGftkNNVy-B3F1AjTUm9zz7w&oe=635177BE
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03:20 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/10/16/crystal-lake-man-arrested-after-being-charged-with-distributing-child-pornography/
03:20 TR Bot; Crystal Lake man arrested after being charged with distributing child pornography
03:21 DaemonFC; "Ryan N. Niesen, 22, of the 4300 block of Fox Creek Drive in Crystal Lake, was charged with two counts of reproducing child pornography, a Class X felony.
03:21 DaemonFC; A criminal complaint filed in McHenry County Circuit Court alleges Niesen knowingly disseminated two images in November 2021.
03:21 DaemonFC; The images showed a child, who was under the age of 13, engaged in an act of sexual conduct, the complaint said.
03:21 DaemonFC; The images were uploaded and disseminated on the messaging application Discord, the complaint showed.
03:21 DaemonFC; It was not known how investigators were first alerted to the crime."
03:21 DaemonFC; It's not known that Discord turned him over to the cops? Wow. :)
03:23 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/10/16/man-arrested-after-allegedly-burglarizing-church-in-beach-park-stealing-copper-piping/
03:23 TR Bot; Man arrested after allegedly burglarizing church in Beach Park, stealing copper piping
03:23 DaemonFC; Somehow, people with this face find somewhere to live while landlords snub me.
03:25 DaemonFC; "Davila also had two active warrants, one out of Georgia and another out of Pennsylvania. One of the warrants is extraditable and Potkonjak ordered Davila held without bond on that warrant.
03:25 DaemonFC; "
03:27 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/10/14/200k-bond-for-repeat-retail-theft-suspect-who-allegedly-escaped-police-custody-in-waukegan/
03:27 TR Bot; $200K bond for repeat retail theft suspect who allegedly escaped police custody in Waukegan
03:27 DaemonFC; "He made suicidal statements while in custody and paramedics were called to evaluate him.
03:27 DaemonFC; Longmire had his handcuffs in the front due to a dislocated shoulder, Katris said.
03:27 DaemonFC; As officers were walking him to the ambulance, he allegedly broke free and ran away.
03:27 DaemonFC; He was found minutes later and was taken back into custody, Katris said."
03:28 DaemonFC; "Prosecutors said he jumped over fences and ended up in the backyard of a home, which was owned by a Zion police sergeant."
03:28 Helenah; 23:10:48 reptilian_thrills | helenah has a rig that can run one (maybe two of them)
03:28 Helenah; lol
03:30 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/10/14/500k-bond-for-convicted-felon-on-parole-found-with-stolen-gun-drugs-in-lake-county/
03:30 TR Bot; $500K bond for convicted felon on parole found with stolen gun, drugs in Lake County
03:30 DaemonFC; The gun, a Springfield Armory XD 45 handgun, was determined to have been stolen out of Alabama.
03:30 DaemonFC; The handgun had a fully loaded magazine and a laser sight, DeRosa said.
03:30 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kF1TsOkJeA
03:30 TR Bot; https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=3kF1TsOkJeA
03:30 TR Bot; youtube.076.ne.jp | The Terminator 1984 Wrong Sarah Connor HD Clip 6 23 - Invidious
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03:49 DaemonFC; https://news.northeastern.edu/2022/06/10/yankee-candle-reviews-and-covid-19-trends/
03:49 TR Bot; What Yankee Candle Reviews Reveal About COVID-19 Trends - News @ Northeastern
03:57 DaemonFC; https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=chicken%20soup&geo=US
03:57 TR Bot; ( status 429 @ https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=chicken%20soup&geo=US )
03:59 DaemonFC; https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=monkeypox
03:59 TR Bot; ( status 429 @ https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=monkeypox )
03:59 DaemonFC; Nobody searching for Monkeypox anymore.
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 137.66 average k/sec., average swarm size 111.43
04:08 DaemonFC; https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=firefox
04:08 TR Bot; ( status 429 @ https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=firefox )
04:09 DaemonFC; Interest in "Firefox" down to virtually nothing in the US by Google search.
04:09 DaemonFC; 5% as many searches as June 2008, when it peaked.
04:19 chunky; i use firefox
04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 122.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 100.86
05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
05:42 DaemonFC; https://i.redd.it/ctmzl6h81yt91.png
05:42 DaemonFC; Canada's government currently advises its citizens to take more caution when traveling to the UK than to the US.
05:44 DaemonFC; https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states
05:44 TR Bot; Travel advice and advisories for United States (USA)
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 55.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 198.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 72.48
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06:15 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/y5lqzl/check_out_the_shrinkflation_hereso_much_extra/
06:16 TR Bot; Check out the shrinkflation hereso much extra trash to trick the consumer : Anticonsumption
06:16 DaemonFC; Helenah, Chips.
06:16 Helenah; DaemonFC: Chips
06:17 DaemonFC; 2/3rds of the bag is trash filled with air.
06:17 DaemonFC; Like I was saying.
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06:18 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/shrinkflation/comments/y55ufs/these_used_to_be_a_6pack_now_we_get_41_yay/
↺ https://www.reddit.com/r/shrinkflation/comments/y55ufs/these_used_to_be_a_6pack_now_we_get_41_yay/
06:18 TR Bot; These used to be a 6-pack. Now, we get 4+1 (yay!) : shrinkflation
06:18 DaemonFC; They stole a battery out of a 6 pack and say 4 pack with a bonus one.
06:19 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/shrinkflation/comments/y52xks/safety_meeting/
06:19 TR Bot; Safety meeting : shrinkflation
06:19 DaemonFC; A 12 pack of condoms is now 10.
06:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:21 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/shrinkflation/comments/y2n7ui/worlds_finest_chocolates/
06:21 TR Bot; Worlds Finest Chocolates : shrinkflation
06:21 DaemonFC; I used to sell these to raise money for cub scouts.
06:22 DaemonFC; They were four times bigger in 1996 and you could buy one for $2.
06:22 DaemonFC; Looks like they stole 3/4ths of it, but lowered the price to $1?
06:22 DaemonFC; Weird.
06:24 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/shrinkflation/comments/y1nzdz/hellofresh_10_oz_meat_package/
06:24 TR Bot; HelloFresh 10 oz Meat Package : shrinkflation
06:24 DaemonFC; 10 ounce package of HelloFresh ground beef only has 6.84 ounces in it, including the plastic vacuum pack wrapper.
06:43 *phanes watches the poors get mad about how big the meat is in the ration portions
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06:44 Helenah; o.o
06:47 phanes; they are not so hungry yet, but, they might become so, and if they do they will surely eat us
06:48 phanes; the rich of tomorrow are learning about the supply chains of today
06:49 phanes; i think we'll see an emergence of merchant traders to fill that gap and i think it'll create billionaires
06:49 phanes; an old world merchant model
06:50 phanes; on the bright side this will show a resounding re-emergence along the way, and by trend, of a revived, social morality
06:50 phanes; it will have to
06:51 phanes; or we will descend into history
06:52 phanes; not the fake kind where karen is screaming about being confused for a man, but the real kind where neighbors tend to each other as parts of a community and stand against the malevolence that has dominated our current age
06:56 phanes; we need to revise the reward model for behaviours
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 71.60 k/sec., IPFS upstream 120.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 43.93
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07:02 phanes; reptilian_thrills, https://imgur.com/2DU9Q7Z.png
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07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
07:23 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, October 16, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
07:23 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
07:23 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
07:23 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
07:25 TR News; (NEW): Create your own private cellular data network with Ukama (Crowdfunding) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Create_your_own_private_cellular_data_network_with_Ukama_Crowdf.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Create_your_own_private_cellular_data_network_with_Ukama_Crowdf.gmi
07:25 TR Bot; Tux Machines Create your own private cellular data network with Ukama (Crowdfunding)
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07:30 TR News; "So what you need is to get a new set of Linux Kernel Firmware blobs and upack that in /lib/firmware." http://aigarius.com/blog/2022/10/16/ryzen-7000-amdgpu/ | Source: Aigars Mahinovs
07:30 TR Bot; 7000 amdgpu boot hang | Aigarius Blog
07:30 TR News; "are harming maintainability, but not deliberate." https://berk.es/2022/09/06/frameworks-harm-maintenance/ |
07:30 TR Bot; Using a Framework will harm the maintenance of your software
07:31 TR News; "Because our servers have different amounts of swap configured, I'm going to look at both how much swap space has been left free and how much swap space has been used." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/OurServerSwapSpaceUsage | Source: uni Toronto
07:31 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/OurServerSwapSpaceUsage
07:31 TR News; "tee(1) duplicates standard output, letting you preview output and write it to a file." https://rubenerd.com/the-wonderful-tee-command/ | Source: Ruben Schade
07:31 TR Bot; The wonderful tee(1) command
07:32 TR News; "This small one liner lets you generate an OpenSSL self signed certificate with both a common name and a Subject Alternative Name (SAN)." https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/OpenSSL_generate_self_signed_cert_with_Subject_Alternative_name_oneliner.html | Source: Remy Van Elst
07:32 TR Bot; generate self signed certificate with SAN in one command (subject alternative name) - Raymii.org
07:32 TR News; "Over the following few sections, we will show you how to install and run the latest version of Netdata on your Raspberry Pi" https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-netdata/ |
07:32 TR Bot; Running Netdata on the Raspberry Pi - Pi My Life Up
07:32 TR News; "The customary 0% to 100% measure is really a measure of how much of the machine you're using and how much you have left." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/CPUUtilizationTwoViews | Source: uni Toronto
07:32 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/CPUUtilizationTwoViews
07:32 TR News; [Old] "I find myself constantly running into small issues when trying to setup existing Jekyll projects on new Linux systems." https://tdarb.org/blog/fresh-jekyll-linux.html | Source: Bradley Taunt
07:32 TR Bot; / Setup Jekyll from Scratch on a New Linux System
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07:33 TR News; [Old] "I might have attacked the overall Linux desktop experience in favor of macOS a little harshly in this post" https://tdarb.org/blog/linux-love.html | Source: Bradley Taunt
07:33 TR Bot; / The Linux Desktop is Hard to Love
07:34 TR News; "With over 100 applications available in the Snap Store, KDE is by far the biggest publisher of snaps around." https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-long-arm-of-kde | Source: Ubuntu
07:34 TR Bot; long ARM of KDE | Ubuntu
07:34 TR News; "Watch this TedEd lesson by Henry Richardson, directed by Anna Benner, to learn about the US Power Grid and the 7,300+ plants that comprise it and how renewable energy factors in." https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/10/16/learn-about-the-us-power-grid-the-worlds-largest-machine/ | Source: Adafruit
07:34 TR Bot; Learn About the US Power Grid, the Worlds Largest Machine Adafruit Industries Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers!
07:35 TR News; "When sizing replacement A/C units, remember that in the United States manufacturers only reported the ASHRAE BTU cooling capacity until 2017 (this is a nice explanation)." https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2022/10/ir-controlling-new-air-conditioner-in.html | Source: Old VCR
07:35 TR Bot; Old Vintage Computing Research: IR-controlling the new air conditioner in the vintage server room
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07:36 TR News; "See, theres a certain type of intellectual who criticizes the powers that be yet lives in a way that is dependent upon them. The tenured professor of philosophy who decries the gatekeeping of knowledge yet publishes her papers in a prestigious journal inaccessible to the public" gemini://jhpotter.srht.site/gemlog/militanta.gmi
07:37 TR News; Whales are fish gemini://idiomdrottning.org/fruit-and-fish
07:38 TR News; New Fractal Images: - Mandelbrot 0001 gemini://gem.librehacker.com/fractals/mandelbrot/mand0001.png
07:39 TR News; "The data is replicated from the Primary database to the Standby or Secondary databases." https://earthly.dev/blog/set-up-postgresql-db/ | Source: Earthly
07:39 TR Bot; How to Set up a Postgresql Database Replication for Optimization and High Availability in a Django Application - Earthly Blog
07:39 TR News; "One of my favorite Postgres features is Full Text Search (FTS). Search is a common requirement of applications." https://supabase.com/blog/postgres-full-text-search-vs-the-rest |
07:39 TR Bot; Postgres Full Text Search vs the rest
07:40 TR News; "To illustrate the idea of simple linear regression, we will use a very straightforward dataset." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/10/simple-linear-regression-in-r-3/ | Source: Rlang
07:40 TR Bot; Linear Regression in R | R-bloggers
07:40 TR News; "1. The goals of your mission are: Statistical evaluation or application" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/10/difference-between-r-and-python/ | Source: Rlang
07:40 TR Bot; between R and Python | R-bloggers
07:40 TR News; "This is a simple sync.Locker implementation in Go for learning purposes." https://blog.fredrb.com/2022/10/16/go-concurrency-simple-lock-impl/ | Source: Frederico Bittencourt
07:40 TR Bot; Concurrency in Go: simple lock implementation | Fredrb's Blog
07:41 TR News; "Throughout my career of designing and developing software I have run into this exact issue far too often." https://tdarb.org/blog/avoid-featurism.html | Source: Bradley Taunt
07:41 TR Bot; / Avoiding Featurism
07:41 TR News; "Ive been playing around with some examples to better understand how Gos memory model behaves on concurrent programs." https://blog.fredrb.com/2022/10/15/go-concurrency-shared-memory/ | Source: Frederico Bittencourt
07:41 TR Bot; Concurrency in Go: shared memory | Fredrb's Blog
07:42 TR News; "IF ELSE- ELSE IF Statement in R, A developers best tool when trying to return output based on a condition is an if-else statement." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/10/if-else-else-if-statement-in-r/ | Source: Rlang
07:42 TR Bot; ELSE- ELSE IF Statement in R | R-bloggers
07:43 TR News; "I often use the AWS Command Line Interface to create or modify AWS assets, typically in the context of a bash shell script." https://www.madboa.com/blog/2017/12/08/aws-filtering/ | Source: Paul Heinlein
07:43 TR Bot; AWS Filtering in bash
07:43 TR News; Microsoft TCO https://siliconangle.com/2022/10/14/microsoft-365-message-encryption-found-leak-structural-information-messages/ | Source: Silicon Angle
07:43 TR Bot; 365 Message Encryption found to leak structural information in messages - SiliconANGLE
07:44 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://locusmag.com/2022/10/baker-taylor-ransomware-attack/ | Source: Locus Magazine
07:44 TR Bot; Baker & Taylor Ransomware Attack Locus Online
07:45 TR News; DailyFail distracts from Bill Gates and co https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11319119/Ghislaine-Maxwell-pays-tribute-dear-friend-Prince-Andrew-Florida-prison-walls.html
07:45 TR Bot; Ghislaine Maxwell pays tribute to 'dear friend' Prince Andrew from behind Florida prison walls | Daily Mail Online
07:45 TR News; smh revisionism regarding sweden https://www.smh.com.au/national/it-s-horrible-lawyer-jen-robinson-on-the-toughest-part-of-working-for-assange-20220726-p5b4ln.html
07:45 TR Bot; Jennifer Robinson: Human rights lawyer for Julian Assange, Amber Heard, and West Papuan freedom fighters
07:45 TR News; "Jim Hall (Jim): GNOME has lots of great desktop features. What are some of the new features in GNOME 43?" https://opensource.com/article/22/10/whats-new-gnome-43-linux | Source: OpenSource.com
07:45 TR Bot; new in GNOME 43? | Opensource.com
07:47 TR News; "While XML (Extensible Markup Language) is a human-readable markup language, you'll more likely find XML files unstructured enough to give you headaches!" https://linuxhandbook.com/pretty-print-xml/ | Source: Linux Handbook
07:47 TR Bot; Pretty Print XML in Linux Command Line
07:48 TR News; "Humble has two big bundles you might be interested in taking a look at." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/days-of-the-devs-2022-bundle-is-live-plus-a-paradox-interactive-dlc-build-your-own-bundle/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:48 TR Bot; of the Devs 2022 Bundle is live, plus a Paradox Interactive DLC build your own bundle | GamingOnLinux
07:48 TR News; "GB Operator excites the collector in me, giving you a small device to plug into your PC or Steam Deck, allowing you to play real Game Boy cartridges." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/play-real-game-boy-cartridges-on-steam-deck-linux-with-gb-operator/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:48 TR Bot; real Game Boy cartridges on Steam Deck / Linux with GB Operator | GamingOnLinux
07:48 TR News; "Two bits of big NVIDIA news for you today one confirmed and one not so confirmed, which concerns a double-cancellation with the RTX 4080 12GB and a 4090 Ti / Titan." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/nvidia-qunlaunchingq-the-rtx-4080-12gb-apparently-4090-ti-cancelled-due-to-melting/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
07:48 TR Bot; "unlaunching" the RTX 4080 12GB, apparently 4090 Ti cancelled due to melting | GamingOnLinux
07:50 TR News; 2016 and 2017 figures show that compared to 2016 (202,000 deaths fewer than 2022) there is a 27.2% increase. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/17/cdc-data-on-us-deaths/
07:50 TR Bot; Blog Archive CDC Data: US Deaths About 25% Higher This Winter Than Last Winter Before COVID-19 (Updated)
07:51 TR News; "In this guide, we take a look at the 32 most used Firefox add-ons to enhance your productivity in Linux desktops." https://www.tecmint.com/firefox-add-ons-productivity/ | Source: TecMint
07:51 TR Bot; Best Firefox Add-ons to Improve Productivity in Linux
07:51 TR News; ""In this guide, we will take a look at the mkdir command which is used to create a directory. https://www.tecmint.com/mkdir-command-examples/ | Source: TecMint
07:51 TR Bot; How to Create Directories in Linux Using mkdir Command
07:51 TR News; paywall :( https://doctorow.medium.com/unspeakable-8c7bbd4974bc
07:51 TR Bot; Unspeakable. Big-Tech-as-cop vs. abolishing Big Tech | by Cory Doctorow | Oct, 2022 | Medium
07:51 TR News; Why did he suspect a COVID surge was coming? He followed the digital breadcrumbs https://text.npr.org/1128692167
07:51 TR Bot; Why did he suspect a COVID surge was coming? He followed the digital breadcrumbs
07:52 TR News; microsoft itself is a blunder https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/how-a-microsoft-blunder-opened-millions-of-pcs-to-potent-malware-attacks/
07:52 TR Bot; How a Microsoft blunder opened millions of PCs to potent malware attacks | Ars Technica
07:53 TR News; Defaults https://matt-rickard.com/defaults
07:53 TR Bot; Defaults
07:53 TR News; grandforksherald blocked by javascript https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/letters/letter-censorship-of-books-is-never-a-good-idea
07:53 TR Bot; Letter: Censorship of books is never a good idea - Grand Forks Herald | Grand Forks, East Grand Forks news, weather & sports
07:54 TR News; iophk: twitter is a /disinformation/ channel and not an appropriate recommendation in any field or context https://statsandr.com/blog/how-to-keep-up-to-date-with-the-latest-r-news/
07:54 TR Bot; How to keep yourself updated with the latest R news? - Stats and R
07:54 TR News; "Billion-dollar entertainment industry companies often complain about widespread copyright infringement." https://torrentfreak.com/extreme-weather-videographer-faces-copyright-infringement-hurricane-221016/ | Source: Torrent Freak
07:54 TR Bot; Weather Videographer Faces Copyright Infringement Hurricane * TorrentFreak
07:55 TR News; "This past week, Beelink released the GTR6 mini PC which is built around the powerful Ryzen 6900HX processor from AMD." https://linuxgizmos.com/ryzen-9-based-minipc-supports-quad-displays-with-8k60hz-resolution/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
07:55 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/ryzen-9-based-minipc-supports-quad-displays-with-8k60hz-resolution/ )
07:55 TR News; "Ebikes are slowly taking the place of many cars, especially for short trips." https://hackaday.com/2022/10/16/ebike-charges-in-the-sun/ | Source: Hackaday
07:55 TR Bot; Charges In The Sun | Hackaday
07:56 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], In the midst of COVID, people who couldn't smell a Yankee candle should have suspected COVID immediately.
07:57 DaemonFC; These aren't those cheap shitty candles that have no scent at all and burn down in a few hours.
07:57 DaemonFC; Though it's much better to put them on a candle warmer.
07:57 DaemonFC; They can go on and on for weeks if you use a warmer instead of lighting the wick.
07:58 DaemonFC; You can smell a Yankee Candle. They have excellent quality control.
07:58 schestowitz[TR]; so says NPR
07:58 DaemonFC; If you suddenly can't, you know you're in trouble.
07:58 schestowitz[TR]; I also linked to that yesterday
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07:59 schestowitz[TR]; it "smelleD" like an ads
07:59 schestowitz[TR]; *ad
07:59 TR News; "Hardly noticed by the general public, the Advocate General (AG) of the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) has issued an opinion, aiming to limit one of the last potential avenues for users to enforce their privacy rights under the GDPR." https://noyb.eu/en/alarming-court-justice-may-severely-limit-enforcement-europeans-privacy-rights | Source: NYOB
07:59 TR Bot; Alarming: Court of Justice may severely limit enforcement of Europeans privacy rights
07:59 TR News; "Finally, universal human rights set the boundaries for state action." https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/chatcontrol.pdf |
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 124.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 71.96
08:00 TR News; "A 270-page Franklin dossier was released in September following Freedom of Information Act requests by the Detroit Free Press and other news media outlets after the singers 2018 death." https://eu.freep.com/story/entertainment/music/brian-mccollum/2022/10/16/aretha-franklin-fbi-angela-davis/69565588007/ | Source: Gannett
08:00 TR Bot; Angela Davis reacts to FBIs Aretha Franklin tracking: I was shocked
08:00 TR News; "The company's so-called RPlate can be equipped with GPS and allows users, including employers, to track a vehicle's location and mileage." https://text.npr.org/1129305660 | Source: NPR
08:00 TR Bot; California drivers can now sport digital license plates on their cars
08:00 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> it "smelleD" like an ads
08:00 DaemonFC; Could be.
08:01 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I did a Google trend search for chicken soup.
08:01 DaemonFC; It spiked with each surge of COVID and it's on the way up right now.
08:01 TR News; "The digital plates will be able to display different emergency messages" https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-10-12/digital-license-plate-california-here-is-how-to-get-one-for-your-car-reviver | Source: Los Angeles Times
08:01 TR Bot; Californians can now get a digital license plate for their car. Here's how - Los Angeles Times
08:01 TR News; "These tracking technologies give people a false sense of security" https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-uneasy-use-for-apples-airtags-tracking-a-loved-one-with-dementia-11665794986?mod=pls_whats_news_us_business_f | Source: The Wall Street Journal
08:01 TR Bot; Uneasy Use for Apples AirTags: Tracking a Loved One With Dementia - WSJ
08:01 TR News; "The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) paused its use of artificial intelligence and facial recognition software in 2020" https://jacobin.com/2022/10/canada-mass-surveillance-facial-recognition-democracy-privacy/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine
08:01 DaemonFC; The search term "fever" was highest in the past 7 days in the deep south and in red states in general.
08:01 TR Bot; Mass Surveillance Is Bad News for Privacy and Democracy
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; soar throat is a common symptom atm
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; sore
08:02 schestowitz[TR]; a.5
08:03 TR News; "Its been a LONG time since the last update. Since then, we put in an application for planning permission and got refused." https://www.positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/2022/10/15/solar-farm-update-we-finally-have-planning-permission/ | Source: Positech Games
08:03 TR Bot; Solar Farm update: We finally have planning permission! Cliffski's Blog
08:03 TR News; "Just Stop Oil accepts donations in cryptocurrency" https://text.npr.org/1129322429 | Source: NPR
08:03 TR Bot; Who is Just Stop Oil, the group that threw soup on Van Gogh's painting?
08:04 TR News; We gave our elephant family some extra-large pumpkins to stomp on and chomp on, said Steve Lefave https://www.oregonzoo.org/news/2022/10/squishin-accomplished-elephants-smash-giant-pumpkins |
08:04 TR Bot; Squishin' accomplished! Elephants smash giant pumpkins | Oregon Zoo
08:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Well, if they're having spikes like this in the wastewater in an increasing number of Illinois cities nearby, then....
08:04 DaemonFC; It's not going to stay out of Waukegan.
08:05 DaemonFC; We're probably looking at a week or two and then we're in the same boat as Beach Park.
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; here, at some points 1 in 12 people have covid-19
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; at a given timer
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; winter usually
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; instead of like a in 10k
08:05 schestowitz[TR]; like 2 years ago
08:05 DaemonFC; Nothing controls the spread in Waukegan. It actually hit Waukegan harder than Chicago or New York when the first wave happened.
08:06 DaemonFC; Nobody was listening to the government and staying inside.
08:06 DaemonFC; They were throwing house parties. If someone asked them to wear a mask, they'd shoot that person, or at least punch them.
08:06 TR News; "In a paper titled Chat Control or Child Protection?" https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/13/clientside_scanning_csam_anderson/ | Source: The Register UK
08:06 TR Bot; Client-side scanning to detect child abuse material harmful The Register
08:06 DaemonFC; It's a city full of thugs and gangs.
08:06 TR News; "The log referenced drafts of a 13 May email to the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) - the American regulator which enforces the law against market manipulation." https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63254883 | Source: BBC
08:06 TR Bot; Musk under federal investigation over Twitter deal - BBC News
08:06 TR News; "On 10 October 2022, EU Commissioner for Home Affairs, Ylva Johansson, addresses the European Parliaments Civil Liberties (LIBE) Committee about the proposed EU Child Sexual Abuse Regulation (2022/0155)." https://edri.org/our-work/johanssons-address-to-meps-shows-why-the-csa-law-will-fail-the-children-meant-to-benefit-from-it/ | Source: EDRI
08:06 DaemonFC; I'm sure they ran right out and got vaccinated and boosted. :P
08:06 TR Bot; Johansson's address to MEPs shows why the CSA law will fail the children meant to benefit from it - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
08:07 DaemonFC; By the time there was a vaccine, I think Mandy and I were the only people in Waukegan that hadn't already had COVID.
08:07 TR News; [Old] "There apparently was a Russian troll operation that aimed at exacerbating divisions" https://www.investigativeproject.org/9260/the-new-york-times-linda-sarsour | Source: IPT
08:07 TR Bot; The New York Times, Linda Sarsour, and Misinformation :: The Investigative Project on Terrorism
08:07 DaemonFC; You should have heard everyone at that motel walking past the door and hacking and wheezing.
08:07 TR News; "I think it's really important from a very early age that we understand that there is no free good here." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63207771 | Source: BBC
08:07 TR Bot; technology poses major risk - GCHQ Chief - BBC News
08:07 DaemonFC; It was SCARY.
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> I'm sure they ran right out and got vaccinated and boosted. :P
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; yeah, because those vaccines top the spread [sarcasm]
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; *stop
08:08 DaemonFC; As soon as there were any vaccine appointments in Illinois, I got us in. Downstate of course, because the government has to pretend they're not a bunch of retards down there denying that COVID even exists at all.
08:09 TR News; Censorship https://www.nepalitimes.com/banner/un-censures-censors/ |
08:09 TR Bot; UN censures censors | Nepali Times
08:09 DaemonFC; I got to talking to the people in line in Pekin, Illinois and at least half of us were from Chicago or the suburbs.
08:09 DaemonFC; And we were all 200 miles downstate getting a COVID shot.
08:09 DaemonFC; Fucking moron Pritzker sent shots they didn't want down there.
08:09 TR News; "Weve had a couple more data points over the past week demonstrating the dangers to democracy posed by the seemingly tight interplay between the worlds rising authoritarian leaders" https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/10/17/india-modi-censorship-misinformation-facebook-meta/ | Source: Crickey
08:09 TR Bot; Facebook denies empowering Indian government's censorship
08:09 TR News; "This censorship extends to WeChat, the dominant messaging app with over 1.2 billion global users, the majority of whom live in China." https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/10/16/1061713/wechat-accounts-begging-tencent-beijing-protest/ | Source: MIT Technology Review
08:10 TR Bot; WeChat users are begging Tencent to restore their accounts after a Beijing protest | MIT Technology Review
08:10 TR News; "Similarly, we must point out the unacceptable lack of implementation of the recommendations made by the landmark Public Inquiry into Caruana Galizias assassination and the exclusion of structured public consultation" https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2022/10/where-is-the-sense-of-urgency/ | Source: Index On Censorship
08:10 TR Bot; Where is the sense of urgency? - Index on Censorship Index on Censorship
08:10 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Amusingly, Pritzker made "vaccine equity" even worse by doing that.
08:10 TR News; "Nils Melzer, United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture reveals judicial, political, media cultures built to persecute and demonise Assange in his book The Trial of Julian Assange." https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/due-process-law-deceitful-farce-ask-julian-assange |
08:10 TR Bot; Due process in law a deceitful farce: ask Julian Assange | Green Left
08:11 DaemonFC; People from Chicago who had a car (mostly white and at least lower middle class) hopped in and got vaccinated while everyone else had to wait for months.
08:11 TR News; "The engine driving the lynching of Julian is not here on Pennsylvania Avenue." https://www.salon.com/2022/10/12/fake-justice-from-the-puppet-masters-the-persecution-of-julian-assange/ | Source: Salon
08:11 TR Bot; justice from the puppet-masters: The persecution of Julian Assange | Salon.com
08:11 TR News; "The fight to free Julian" https://www.dw.com/en/documentary-ithaka-the-fight-to-free-julian-assange/a-63441770 | Source: Deutsche Welle
08:11 TR Bot; Ithaka: The fight to free Julian Assange | Film | DW | 15.10.2022
08:12 TR News; "He faces 175 years if he is extradited for his publishing work." https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/julian-assange-meps-wikileaks-belmarsh-prison-ecuadorian-embassy-b1032472.html | Source: Evening Standard UK
08:12 TR Bot; Julian Assange makes final shortlist for human rights award | Evening Standard
08:12 TR News; "The campaign to free Julian Assange takes on intimate dimensions in this documentary portrait of an elderly mans fight to save his son." https://connachttribune.ie/galway-alliance-against-war-to-screen-new-film-on-julian-assange-this-evening/ |
08:12 TR Bot; Galway Alliance Against War to Screen new film on Julian Assange this evening Connacht Tribune Galway City Tribune:
08:12 TR News; "Meaning: It is highly likely that ZDNet is being paid, in some way, for sending new customers to NordVPN." https://lunduke.substack.com/p/advertising-is-killing-tech-journalism | Source: Bryan Lunduke
08:12 TR Bot; Advertising is killing Tech Journalism - by Bryan Lunduke
08:13 TR News; "wrongfully disclosed this dossier first to Mr. Solomons employer" https://www.reuters.com/legal/former-wsj-reporter-says-law-firm-used-indian-hackers-sabotage-his-career-2022-10-15/ | Source: Reuters
08:13 TR Bot; WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career | Reuters
08:18 TR News; (NEW): Lubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu: Top New Features http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Lubuntu_22_10_Kinetic_Kudu_Top_New_Features.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Lubuntu_22_10_Kinetic_Kudu_Top_New_Features.gmi
08:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines Lubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu: Top New Features
08:18 TR News; (NEW): Games: Days of the Devs 2022 Bundle, Game Boy, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Games_Days_of_the_Devs_2022_Bundle_Game_Boy_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Games_Days_of_the_Devs_2022_Bundle_Game_Boy_and_More.gmi
08:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Days of the Devs 2022 Bundle, Game Boy, and More
08:18 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/today_s_howtos.gmi
08:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
08:19 TR News; "The Capitalist system has separated labor from ownership and reduced the workers to a condition of wage slavery." https://jacobin.com/2022/10/eugene-debs-genius-freedom-socialism/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine
08:19 TR Bot; Eugene V. Debs: Socialism Will Free Workers From Private Tyranny
08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
08:20 TR News; "The union victory follows a vote to unionize an Apple store in Towson, Maryland, in June." https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/apple-workers-oklahoma-vote-unionize-2nd-labor-win-91552758 | Source: ABC
08:20 TR Bot; Apple workers in Oklahoma vote to unionize in 2nd labor win - ABC News
08:21 TR News; Sanders https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/16/sanders-advice-democrats-running-midterms-talk-about-economy | Source: Common Dreams
08:21 TR Bot; Sanders' Advice to Democrats Running in Midterms: 'Talk About the Economy'
08:22 TR News; capitalism https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/16/the-chris-hedges-report-dr-gabor-mate-on-trauma-addiction-and-illness-under-capitalism/ | Source: Scheerpost
08:22 TR Bot; Chris Hedges Report: Dr. Gabor Mat on Trauma, Addiction and Illness Under Capitalism - scheerpost.com
08:25 DaemonFC; https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/business/money-report/this-23-year-old-pays-1100-a-month-in-rent-to-live-in-an-apartment-the-size-of-an-average-parking-spot
08:25 TR Bot; This 23-Year-Old Pays $1,100 a Month in Rent to Live in an Apartment the Size of an Average Parking Spot NBC Chicago
08:25 DaemonFC; They act like stories such as this are cute.
08:25 DaemonFC; For $1,100 you should have an apartment that's at least 700 square feet.
08:27 DaemonFC; "Man lives in walk-in closet, pays more than a mortgage on a house in Indiana. LOL!"
08:27 DaemonFC; But at least he's in New York where all the public masturbators will shove him in front of the train.
08:28 DaemonFC; People "get it" there because nobody has time to be transphobic when they have to watch out that the person next to them doesn't shove a knife in their back.
08:28 DaemonFC; mjg59_ approves
08:29 *phanes hides mjg59_'s victim whistle
08:32 TR News; Automatic Flag Waver https://hackaday.com/2022/10/16/automatic-flag-waver-lets-you-show-your-loyalty-without-getting-tired/ | Source: Hackaday
08:32 TR Bot; Flag Waver Lets You Show Your Loyalty Without Getting Tired | Hackaday
08:33 TR News; Right to Housing https://truthout.org/articles/activists-across-the-country-are-making-the-right-to-housing-a-reality/ | Source: TruthOut
08:33 TR Bot; Activists Across the Country Are Making the Right to Housing a Reality
08:33 phanes; i kind of get the whole "my girlfriend who is a biological woman and prefers dick in her actual vagina is a man" thing because his masculine identity is completely inverted. i wonder if there's something wrong with his dick.
08:33 TR News; Restoring A 1956 Radio https://hackaday.com/2022/10/16/everything-you-wanted-to-see-about-restoring-a-1956-radio/ | Source: Hackaday
08:33 TR Bot; You Wanted To See About Restoring A 1956 Radio | Hackaday
08:34 TR News; "Youd think that now that the 2022 Cyberdeck Contest is wrapped up, wed stop writing about it. Sorry, but no there were so many great entries that we just cant help but keep focusing on them." https://hackaday.com/2022/10/16/2022-cyberdeck-contest-a-wrist-worn-deck-with-a-hybrid-interface/ | Source: Hackaday
08:34 TR Bot; Cyberdeck Contest: A Wrist-Worn Deck With A Hybrid Interface | Hackaday
08:34 DaemonFC; "Yes, it's true.....this man has no dick." -Peter Venkman, Ghostbusters (1984)
08:35 phanes; either that or he's trying really hard to keep the poly door closed so is just like "ok honey, whatever you say, you're a man"
08:36 TR News; "In the world of hardware hacking, you sometimes spend a ridiculous amount of time debugging a problem, only to find a simple solution that was right in front of you the whole time." https://hackaday.com/2022/10/16/cutting-a-wearable-display-in-half-is-harder-and-simpler-than-it-seems/ | Source: Hackaday
08:36 TR Bot; A Wearable Display In Half Is Harder And Simpler Than It Seems | Hackaday
08:37 phanes; i still stand by my statement. that is a man in a heterosexual relationship with a woman, and is relying on trans community codices to create potentiality for victimhood to obscure their actual malicious activity of making up lies about people
08:37 TR News; "Computers are, after all, frighteningly complex state machines" https://hackaday.com/2022/10/16/fourteen-legged-cell-carries-natures-tiny-computer/ | Source: Hackaday
08:37 TR Bot; Cell Carries Natures Tiny Computer | Hackaday
08:39 DaemonFC; Now, at the risk of being sorry I asked (or visualized) this, how do you know it's dick/vagina going on in there? Did he make statements to this effect?
08:40 phanes; matt garrett is clearly putting his dick in lovecruft's vagina to engage in heterosexual intercourse
08:40 phanes; beyond that, "their identities" are just cultural devices
08:42 DaemonFC; https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/27/asia/china-zero-covid-policy-intl/index.html
08:42 TR Bot; China zero-Covid policy: Censors scrub internet after senior official's speech on timeline for Beijing | CNN
08:42 DaemonFC; This "Zero COVID Policy" in China is amusing to watch.
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; that causes shortags
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; and hurts "the west"
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; *shortages
08:42 DaemonFC; Mostly because they obviously don't have "Zero COVID" or they wouldn't have to keep locking down regions with 30 million people in them.
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; so be amused all you want
08:43 DaemonFC; I'm amused.
08:43 phanes; i see folks that do shit like that as absolutely horrible because the trans community actually exists and has serious social problems to work out, so, when folks like that come around and start trying to exploit it like some published CVE it detracts from the trans communities' very serious struggles
08:43 DaemonFC; The companies that outsourced our jobs there are finally getting their comeuppance.
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; exactly
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; they are also tightly packed
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; like workers' bedroom
08:44 schestowitz[TR]; 8 or 10 in a room
08:44 schestowitz[TR]; like pinoys in singapearan apartments
08:44 schestowitz[TR]; it's hard to contain the spread
08:44 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], You noticed that they rush to get out of China and don't come back now.
08:44 schestowitz[TR]; when your resisdents live like sardines
08:44 DaemonFC; Some jobs go to other Asian countries that at least aren't Communist and hopefully make life there a bit better.
08:44 DaemonFC; The Philippines gets some.
08:44 DaemonFC; Others come back here.
08:44 phanes; the dumb shits who aren't tracking closely enough too, will take anyone highlighting that as "denying that trans people exist" or "denying someone their trans status" when they very clearly are exploiting it to obscure their horrible behaviour using social protections that are foring
08:44 DaemonFC; China is hurting itself long term to spite us for a few years.
08:44 phanes; *forming
08:45 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: those other countries cannot do high-tech
08:45 DaemonFC; Things will settle down and China will be cut off from revenue and explaining to their youth why there's no jobs and a lot of empty cities none of them can live in that are falling apart due to neglect.
08:45 mjg59_; Yeah people habitually have gender-conforming surgery and take hormones to obscure their past
08:45 schestowitz[TR]; what jobs aree you thinking of? plastics?
08:46 schestowitz[TR]; i read that young chinese are rebelling
08:46 schestowitz[TR]; the promise of jobs broken
08:46 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Did they grow him a penis in the same lab you escaped from?
08:46 schestowitz[TR]; so they want another regime
08:46 mjg59_; Who does "him" refer to?
08:47 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> so they want another regime
08:47 DaemonFC; They're pissed and they have every right to be pissed.
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; now I see we're totally on topic :/
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: I can find articles
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; but I just posted a link to the xi speech
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; it's complicated
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; like, the west tries to ban chinese produycts
08:47 phanes; schestowitz[TR], i think it's an important aspect of how this walking turd has gotten away with his lying bullshit for so long
08:47 schestowitz[TR]; even if they're on par with western brands
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; in terms of quality and functionality
08:48 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> even if they're on par with western brands
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; some are
08:48 DaemonFC; Most of them aren't, unless we've lowered the quality standards and outsourced it there.
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; of course a lot of the world won't pay attention to nsa and gchq recommendation
08:48 schestowitz[TR]; so there will be a FUD campaign
08:48 DaemonFC; There are some Chinese car tires that are no worse than the models of Goodyear that they sell for about the same price at Walmart that are also made in China.
08:48 Helenah; Erm...
08:49 Helenah; phanes, schestowitz[TR], What are you both talking about? :3
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; it's like the milk and cow... now china has its own cows
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; they bred cows
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; and can make decent products
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; so we tell people their cows make poison or something..
08:49 mjg59_; Helenah: Phanes is talking about how my partner isn't actually trans despite having had surgery and taking hormones
08:49 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Name brand tires don't mean anything because the executives here were stupid enough to send production there.
08:49 DaemonFC; Lower their standards, and bring in shitty tires.
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; "don't drink their milk"
08:49 DaemonFC; So the Chinese flood the market with their own "brands" and now the American companies have no pitch.
08:50 phanes; Helenah, in short, mjg59_ has like 10 years of history of making up horrible lies about people, and has over thge years taken refuge in the trans community to try to posture as victims from anyone calling it out. no such confirmation surgery has taken place.
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: this won't end well
08:50 Helenah; mjg59_: That's not what I saw when reading the scrollback...
08:50 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Probably not.
08:50 DaemonFC; I won't buy anything except the cheapest tires anymore.
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; either way, I read from XRevan86 that Liz Trump might be out soon
08:51 mjg59_; Helenah: https://twitter.com/isislovecruft/status/1144313465189744640
08:51 TR Bot; i look a wreck but at least im having surgery shortly https://t.co/rq4k7O6KCV
08:51 TR Bot; i look a wreck but at least im having surgery shortly https://t.co/rq4k7O6KCV
08:51 phanes; he is a man, who lies about people, who is engaged to a woman, who lies about people, and has heterosexual sex with said woman using conventional parts, and will hide behind transphobia labels to anyone calling out his or her history
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; that'll be fastest ever
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; in brtiish history
08:51 DaemonFC; I actually bought a set of generic car tires from Pep Boys in 2019, put 40,000 miles on them, which is what they were rated for, and they still had 80% of the tread life on them when I gave the car back to mom.
08:51 mjg59_; Oh yeah no argument that I'm a man
08:51 mjg59_; But my partner isn't a woman
08:52 DaemonFC; Around these parts, I wouldn't run them below 30%, personally, especially in the run up to winter.
08:52 mjg59_; And phanes is currently lying about them not having had surgery
08:52 DaemonFC; But that's actually, better than I was expecting for what I paid.
08:52 mjg59_; Which is ironic, given his assertion that I'm a habitual liar
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: I can still use my 90s applicance
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; they might even last another 20 years
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; i don't need china for my food
08:53 phanes; yeah, i don't buy it. it would feed perfectly into both of your MOs to have all of that just be attention-seeking drama.
08:53 DaemonFC; I try to buy as little as possible anyway.
08:53 schestowitz[TR]; because cars became "smart" many are now partly made in china
08:53 schestowitz[TR]; not even asembled here
08:53 schestowitz[TR]; and no chinese brands
08:53 mjg59_; phanes: You've been told that your claim is untrue, but you continue to make it anyway
08:53 DaemonFC; It's like, why go looking to spend money? Sooner or later some disaster will happen and you'll spend a lot more than you care to then.
08:53 mjg59_; phanes: So, uh, is this you engaging in defamation?
08:53 schestowitz[TR]; we hardly have facilities and knowledge to make them here
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; no graduates to do it, not for these salaries anyway
08:54 DaemonFC; Matt GULAG's employer says it may last another year.
08:54 DaemonFC; He's got a $3 million mortgage.
08:54 mjg59_; (I don't)
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; so the west is trying to 'partition' china with taiwan
08:54 DaemonFC; And the jobs outlook in the Bay Area isn't great.
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; twaiwan uses imported cheap labour too
08:54 mjg59_; (Job situation is actually just fine for people with my skillset)
08:54 DaemonFC; Sure Matt.
08:54 phanes; mjg59_, go ahead and rack up those lawyers if you think it's defamation
08:54 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> It's like, why go looking to spend money? Sooner or later some disaster will happen and you'll spend a lot more than you care to then.
08:54 DaemonFC; Total blood bath out there.
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; I was walking by a car shop yesterday
08:55 DaemonFC; Go looking when there's thousands more like you that need one too.
08:55 phanes; i know you won't because you absolutely are aware of what happens when you do
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; and thought, how much does a modern car cost now?
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; 50k yet?
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; the pound is depreciated and the car parts suffer shortages
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; 50k for a "decent" one?
08:55 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> and thought, how much does a modern car cost now?
08:55 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> 50k yet?
08:55 mjg59_; phanes: Yeah uh didn't you claim I defamed you? Didn't you claim you were going to send me a certified letter? Did you actually end up doing so or engaging in any other legal action against me?
08:55 DaemonFC; Dollars? For a decent one?
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; and theen 5 a year for maintenance?
08:55 DaemonFC; You have trouble buying a Buick for under $60,000 now.
08:55 DaemonFC; And that's the entry level model.
08:55 schestowitz[TR]; wow
08:56 Helenah; phanes: Whose a man? I'm confused.
08:56 mjg59_; phanes: If the definition of "Engaged in defamation" is "Getting sued", then I have clearly never engaged in defamation
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; I remember when they sold preowned mercedes for 10k
08:56 Helenah; mjg59_ is a man or lovecruft?
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; looking like new
08:56 mjg59_; Helenah: I'm a man. He asserts that my partner is a woman, which they aren't.
08:56 phanes; mjg59_, look, im just saying, you're a habitual liar, who is engaged to a habitual liar (that has also been caught, like you, multiple times) and that the entire gender thing feeds into you mo to such a degree that the entire configuration is questionable at best
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: doesn't matter, back to tech stuff
08:56 Helenah; I'm confused
08:56 Helenah; So are they are woman or aren't they?
08:56 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Yeah
08:56 mjg59_; phanes: If that's what you need to justify telling lies about my partner to yourself, go for it
08:56 Helenah; agreed
08:56 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Unless you have $60,000 plus tax and interest to buy one, don't even bother the nice salesman.
08:56 Helenah; this is driving my head insane
08:56 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: and of course many sold them due to cost of maintenance
08:56 mjg59_; Helenah: No, they're not a woman
08:56 DaemonFC; Just move along now, get.
08:57 schestowitz[TR]; german cars are expensive to repair
08:57 phanes; mjg59_, i dont give a fuck about your feelings at this point
08:57 schestowitz[TR]; but those cars are 90% status symbol
08:57 mjg59_; phanes: Where do my feelings enter into this?
08:57 Helenah; mjg59_: Idk what they are though.
08:57 phanes; you have ruined any good faith available to you
08:57 Helenah; I'm just confused...
08:57 mjg59_; Helenah: They're non-binary
08:57 Helenah; Okies
08:57 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Well, the Buick division is still higher than average for quality control.
08:57 DaemonFC; But the market as a whole has sunk.
08:57 schestowitz[TR]; yes, but
08:57 DaemonFC; So really, it won't be that reliable in several years.
08:57 mjg59_; Helenah: And have had surgery to that effect, and take hormones to that effect
08:57 schestowitz[TR]; that costs you more than linearly more
08:58 mjg59_; Helenah: But phanes continues to misgender them, despite having been told this
08:58 schestowitz[TR]; car twice as good, 4 times the price
08:58 phanes; biological woman has sexual monogomous relationship with man, may or may not have had surgery, continues to have same with same man, it's kind of obvious what's going on there and all of it is DSM-registered
08:58 DaemonFC; Yeah, so people buy a cheap KIA for $25,000 and run it til the wheels fall off, schestowitz[TR]
08:58 schestowitz[TR]; some old clunker has many issues, but you can pay for it
08:58 Helenah; mjg59_: So why are they using the term "transphobic" if they're non-binary? Transphobia applies to transgender people, not non-binary people, not cisgender people, not sexualities.
08:58 schestowitz[TR]; and it impresses nobody
08:58 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Mine still looks okay.
08:59 DaemonFC; It's had some mechanical issues I've been having the shop work through, but it's behaving now.
08:59 mjg59_; Helenah: Someone who is assigned a binary gender at birth but is in fact non-binary is trans
08:59 DaemonFC; Man, that braking system was a complete mess.
08:59 Helenah; But you said they're not trans... o.O
08:59 phanes; lol
08:59 mjg59_; Helenah: I didn't say they're not trans?
08:59 Helenah; This gender stuff confuses me... :D
08:59 schestowitz[TR]; the us made it hard not to owna car
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 182.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 88.61
08:59 Helenah; You said they're not a woman...
08:59 phanes; it is literally a victimhood blanket to deny anything resembling accountability or vulnerability
08:59 schestowitz[TR]; it's hard to get places... city planning and public transport
08:59 Helenah; and that they're non-binary...
08:59 Helenah; and how you argue they're trans...
08:59 Helenah; make up your mind!
08:59 Helenah; :/
08:59 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I only live 40 miles north of downtown Chicago.
08:59 mjg59_; Helenah: I mean when someone has literally had surgery to ensure their body conforms to their gender, that's pretty clear evidence of being trans
09:00 DaemonFC; And the bus comes once an hour.
09:00 DaemonFC; 7 AM to 11 PM.
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; chicago, the most envious city :-)
09:00 DaemonFC; Half that on Sundays, and stops at 6 PM!
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; but I mean, for groceries and stuff
09:00 DaemonFC; You can't depend on PACE buses for shit.
09:00 reptilian_thrills; i admit this is confusing. afaik nonbinary overlaps with trans, i have no qualms there
09:00 DaemonFC; But Metra is different.
09:00 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Can we talk about tech? This gender stuff is... idk... lol it's a damn burning ring of fire...
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; I recentyly started buying food at a shop around the corner from us
09:00 DaemonFC; They'll get you to the city and back. If you commute into Chicago, they're fine.
09:00 schestowitz[TR]; found the time to find good deals there
09:01 Helenah; Sparks arguments it seems... :(
09:01 reptilian_thrills; ive never heard of nonbinary surgery, but either way my definition of trans doesnt require surgery, im not a transmedicalist
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: we're talking about cars
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; the rest are two men fighting
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; and not for the first time
09:01 reptilian_thrills; well mjg is one of the most confrontational people ive ever met
09:01 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I don't live in a super convenient place in town.
09:01 DaemonFC; The rent is lower than average.
09:01 reptilian_thrills; though despite that hes not being impolite
09:01 phanes; if there weren't social stigmas for criticism around it, it wouldn't even be a factor in his dynamic
09:01 Helenah; I'm cisgender and my own definition of transgender is it doesn't require surgery or hormones, reptilian_thrills.
09:01 schestowitz[TR]; you can make up rent difference with walking and taxi
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; as long aas you:
09:02 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I like the Mazda MX5 :3
09:02 reptilian_thrills; i wasnt implying anything
09:02 reptilian_thrills; about your position
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; 1) live close to work
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; 2) work from home
09:02 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: I never said you were...
09:02 phanes; it'd be a gay black woman if that made his crowd sympathetic
09:02 reptilian_thrills; :(
09:02 Helenah; I'm more agreeing with your definition...
09:02 reptilian_thrills; :)
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; communiting to work is the most annnoying thing, and they don't even pay you for it
09:02 reptilian_thrills; :( <- 6th finger
09:02 schestowitz[TR]; all this communiting to get to a desk you don't like, surrounded by people who dopn't like you much
09:02 reptilian_thrills; ...
09:03 reptilian_thrills; i never said you said i ever was :D
09:03 mjg59_; My workmates liked me just fine
09:03 mjg59_; Maybe Roy's just hard to like
09:03 reptilian_thrills; they wouldnt dare not like you :)
09:03 phanes; except the ones you've lied about mjg59_
09:03 phanes; those ones do not like you just fine
09:03 schestowitz[TR]; was not talking about myself at all
09:03 phanes; that you've found refuge in a den of sociopaths and narcissists is not boon
09:03 mjg59_; phanes: You literally just lied about my partner
09:03 Helenah; Oh boy...
09:04 schestowitz[TR]; never worked in an office where I'm employed
09:04 reptilian_thrills; roy is... roy
09:04 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I'm sorry, I'm not talking about cars now... too difficult with all this. lol
09:04 Helenah; Most of the conversation in here is gender politics...
09:04 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: we have this "theory" about people who dislike techrights trying to saturate the channel with nonsense
09:04 Helenah; Why can't people just be themselves?!
09:04 reptilian_thrills; theres a couple reasons for that
09:04 schestowitz[TR]; we recwently got rudely named accounts here
09:04 reptilian_thrills; maybe 3 reasons
09:04 phanes; mjg59_, no, one is calling out horse shit, and the other, what you do, is systematically lie about people in a context that will lynch them through vulnerable communities, and you need to destroy yourself over it
09:04 schestowitz[TR]; and saying the n***** word
09:04 reptilian_thrills; one reason, to be sure, is that mjg is here
09:05 schestowitz[TR]; which is strange as we're a private irc network
09:05 reptilian_thrills; that cant be ruled out
09:05 schestowitz[TR]; and those accounts had nothing of value to add
09:05 mjg59_; Helenah: They absolutely should be allowed to be themselves, but part of being themselves is not having other people misgender them
09:05 reptilian_thrills; another reason is that roy overreacts to the topic so much that people troll him for it
09:05 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: With phanes it's something different, he's openly admitted to requiring justice and that's what he's doing, he feels he needs justice with mjg59_.
09:05 Helenah; Isn't that right, phanes?
09:05 Helenah; So as long as mjg59_ doesn't give it, phanes will continue day after day with him...
09:05 *phanes nods
09:05 reptilian_thrills; and a third is that loads of trans and non-binary people chat here either way
09:06 reptilian_thrills; so it keeps coming up
09:06 phanes; it will indeed never end and escalate to nosebleed levels in an adaptive manner that will eventually outpace his ability to hide behind vulnerable communities
09:06 mjg59_; phanes: Just to be clear, you asserted that my partner did not receive gender-confirmation surgery?
09:06 reptilian_thrills; mjg of course is the reason roy overreacts
09:06 schestowitz[TR]; baib
09:06 schestowitz[TR]; *biab
09:06 reptilian_thrills; but that doesnt mean he doesnt overreact
09:07 reptilian_thrills; mjg: this is the only tech issue <- not his actual position
09:07 phanes; mjg59_, i was not and am not still, under the belief that said confirmation surgery has taken place, and honestly I doubt that it isn't some PR stunt to draw a blanket from the trans community for your systematic abuse of your peers
09:07 Helenah; phanes: Thing is, does this process need to be performed in front of everybody else?
09:07 reptilian_thrills; roy: this is not a tech issue! <- missing the point entirely
09:07 mjg59_; phanes: If you were to be provided with evidence that said surgery had taken place, would this mean that you had been lying?
09:07 phanes; mjg59_, no it would just complicate my assertion tbh
09:08 reptilian_thrills; everyone else: something about ukraine <- i dont blame them
09:08 Helenah; Like... can the process not be performed within a PM?
09:08 reptilian_thrills; no, pm is totally rude, its better to have a flamewar in public
09:08 mjg59_; phanes: Ok! That's super helpful - so are there situations in which you can make an assertion that could potentially damage someone, but do so under the belief that what you're saying is true?
09:09 phanes; mjg59_, what i would prefer instead of gory surgery documentation is that you focus on your own behaviour that has stirred said ire
09:09 reptilian_thrills; this is a LOCAL channel for LOCAL people, well have no trouble here!
09:09 phanes; mjg59_, you can try to hide behind victim labels but it won't do you any good
09:10 mjg59_; phanes: Because it feels like what you're saying right now is that if you say something that you believe to be true, then even if it turns out it isn't, it's not a lie
09:10 mjg59_; phanes: And if it's not a lie then by definition it's not defamatory
09:10 phanes; mjg59_, right, as it turns out, words mean things even if you don't want them to
09:11 mjg59_; phanes: Literally everything you've mentioned about me on your website is something I absolutely believe to be true
09:11 phanes; you're like 10 years too early to try to bend truth definitions with someone like me
09:11 phanes; they are lies
09:11 phanes; they are deliberately lies
09:11 mjg59_; Well, no, they're not lies
09:11 phanes; they are lies crafted with a broader purpose
09:11 mjg59_; You might argue that they're untrue
09:11 Helenah; I feel like you are trying to embarress and shame mjg59_ and fair enough, there's a reason to continue the argument in this channel BUT... BIG BUT.... other people can not talk tech as you are hogging smaller tech conversations with bigger arguments...
09:11 Helenah; mjg59_: ^
09:11 Helenah; phanes: ^
09:11 mjg59_; But for them to be lies, I'd need to be knowingly expressing something untrue
09:12 phanes; whatever purpose you are chasing with those lies, mjg59_, may be something you believe to be nobler pursuits than plain truth, but they are lies when you say them, and you know they are lies when you say them.
09:12 mjg59_; And you asserting that I'm lying is, in fact, untrue
09:12 mjg59_; There's room to argue about whether what I said is true or not!
09:12 Helenah; Are you guys going to answer me? One thing I do NOT like is being blatantly ignored, I do NOT appreciate it, and I find it rather rude!
09:12 phanes; nah that's just the chickenshit copout you've constructed trying to springboard off a technicality about your partner's surgically altered genitals
09:12 mjg59_; But I would need to *know* it wasn't true for it to be a lie
09:13 phanes; you do know they aren't true
09:13 mjg59_; Helenah: I'll stop discussing it in this channel once phanes stops misgendering my partner
09:13 reptilian_thrills; what is the question? im reading the channel but i dont know what the question is
09:13 phanes; and you did when you said those things
09:13 mjg59_; phanes: Yeah uh good luck proving that given I believed them to be true when I said them (and, in fact, still believe them to be true)
09:13 phanes; i dont need to prove it, i just need to believe it
09:14 mjg59_; Oh! So believing something to be true *is* sufficient?
09:14 mjg59_; That's cool
09:14 mjg59_; We can both say that what we're expressing is what we believe to be true
09:14 phanes; only when that belief is real instead of some fabrication you've constructed to avoid accountability
09:14 phanes; no
09:14 phanes; what you do is not what you believe is real
09:14 Helenah; mjg59_: That's flawed, because phanes misgenders your partner, you feel it's right to disrupt everyone else. That's like destroying peoples lives in a "Black Lives Matter" protest because the Government is racist...
09:14 phanes; what you do is plan out entire strategies for telling lies about peopel that sometimes destroys them
09:15 mjg59_; Helenah: Roy can moderate his channel as he pleases
09:15 phanes; you don't do it in some pursuit of justice, you do it because you're a shit human being
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09:15 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
09:15 phanes; you'll never have that on me
09:15 mjg59_; phanes: Who have I destroyed?
09:15 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
09:15 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
09:15 phanes; you would have to change both of our internal experiences to have that on me
09:15 phanes; you can't be me
09:15 TR News; (NEW): Devices: Phones, Tablets, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Devices_Phones_Tablets_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Devices_Phones_Tablets_and_More.gmi
09:15 TR Bot; Tux Machines Devices: Phones, Tablets, and More
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09:16 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
09:16 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Seems like while you at the same time lay down laws, you still allow #techrights to be turned into #politics
09:16 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: It's actually not a fair thing to do.
09:16 Helenah; I was told to move on from my topic yesterday.
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; I don't "allow"
09:16 Helenah; And today? This gets allowed to happen.
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; I don't ban
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; did you see me back anyone?
09:17 Helenah; But you ARE allowing it otherwise you'd do something about it...
09:17 Helenah; I didn't say the solution was a ban...
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; or ban anyone?
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; I meant ban
09:17 mjg59_; Yeah he allows all the transphobia and racism too
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; but did not concentrate
09:17 Helenah; Infact ban as first resort is bad...
09:17 reptilian_thrills; <Helenah> I was told to move on from my topic yesterday. <Helenah> And today? This gets allowed to happen. <- this channel runs on whims and double standards
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; I just want to focus on articles, not all these hissy fits
09:17 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: I see.
09:17 phanes; there's no transphobia happening here, that's just matt blowing a whistle because he's found himself in a moral corner
09:17 mjg59_; phanes: You just asserted that I'd destroyed people, so you should be able to name them
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: yesyerday you debated age of consent
09:18 phanes; mjg59_, https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/
09:18 TR Bot; Index of /database/Garrett, Matthew
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; it's a very toxic topic that trolls later use to discredit
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; and I said
09:18 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Yet your kind words aren't solving these hissy fits... maybe set the channel +m and lay down some stuff to say, make people listen.
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; you had said so yourself
09:18 mjg59_; phanes: Which of those people has been destroyed?
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; about how people accuse of rape and pedophilia
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; biab
09:18 reptilian_thrills; as
09:18 schestowitz[TR]; I need to do daily links
09:18 reptilian_thrills; as
09:18 reptilian_thrills; as
09:18 reptilian_thrills; as
09:18 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: I agree, this is double standards.
09:19 reptilian_thrills; oops
09:19 reptilian_thrills; not intentional
09:19 reptilian_thrills; funny but not intentional
09:19 mjg59_; phanes: Are you claiming that me calling Kevin Kofler a dick destroyed him?
09:19 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: You realise how exhausting my decency is? I could've ignored you yesterday and continued on my topic but I took the exhausting route of moving on from that topic and having to deal with double standards of other people left to continue on their trajectory.
09:20 phanes; mjg59_, ive already clarified on that entry many times. are you incapable of ingesting that information or are you lying about that too?
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: no, I did ry to change ther subjkect
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; talked about cars and tech
09:20 schestowitz[TR]; and china supply chain shortages
09:20 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I had to say it, I had to bring my "decency" into this, I clearly am a minority here.
09:20 reptilian_thrills; came for the tech, stayed for the gender pronoun wars
09:20 mjg59_; phanes: Can you point to the clarifications? Are they in the room now?
09:21 reptilian_thrills; i think gender pronouns are important of course
09:21 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Yep I really joined here for the tech...
09:21 phanes; mjg59_, moreso, who is your audience? do you think you'll convince me somehow to forget the explanation I provided on that entry, or is this a continuation of some influence effort to dispel someone holding you accountable for your decades of malicious behaviour towards your peers?
09:21 Helenah; After joining, the impression was multi-topic...
09:21 reptilian_thrills; its multi-topic
09:21 mjg59_; phanes: https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/2022-07-08/ literally contains no explanation
09:21 TR Bot; TAODB
09:21 Helenah; And then I get told it's about tech... how confusing is that?
09:21 reptilian_thrills; not confusing at all, once you realise how it works
09:21 mjg59_; Helenah: Yeah Roy just makes shit up
09:21 mjg59_; Helenah: There is no topic here
09:21 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I really like you but this one aspect "how you deal with the channel", I do not like about you.
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; we're leaving the home soon, I want to finish Daily Links
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; and this channel becoming about sex organs is not help;ing
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; because later people whose bad deeds are exposed point to IRC
09:22 Helenah; You might as well let me talk about whatever I want because I am going to fall into a trap of doing it, you know?
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; and say, l;ook! my corruption is not real... because this site had this intolerant chat thing
09:22 Helenah; You are promoting the behaviour, it will rub off on everyone else.
09:22 Helenah; and it has rubbed off on everyone else.
09:22 Helenah; It's clear as day.
09:22 Helenah; You can't deny it.
09:22 phanes; schestowitz[TR], don't point to the traps
09:22 mjg59_; Urgh this idea that discussion of gender is bad, rather than the idea that toleration of transphobia is bad
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; techrights does not cover this
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; it's as remote as posssible fro tech
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; *from
09:23 mjg59_; Roy objects to discussion of certain topics because it results in certain channel regulars exhibiting amazing levels of intolerance
09:23 phanes; transphobia is any conversation you don't like that involves transgender identities
09:23 phanes; so gfy
09:23 reptilian_thrills; roy is particularly sensisitive to the discussion of trans issues because he thinks mjg is here in bad faith
09:23 Helenah; Oh so today it's as remote as possible from tech but yesterday you asked me to speak of tech.
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; reptilian_thrills: THINNKS?
09:24 mjg59_; He won't actually do anything about those people, he'll just ask that the topic not be discussed because otherwise he'd look bad
09:24 reptilian_thrills; i WOULD assume mjg is here in bad faith, except roy gives him great reasons to be here
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; he sends me threatening letters
09:24 mjg59_; Yeah you did actually repeatedly lie about me in ways that I had to report to my employers
09:24 Helenah; reptilian_thrills: Yep I questioned why I had to move off my topic yesterday suspecting a hidden agenda based on previous conversation and I got my answers.
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09:24 TR Bot; Links 17/10/2022: Linux 6.1 RC1 | Techrights
09:24 Helenah; Indeed they didn't say to me what they actually think.
09:24 Helenah; :/
09:24 Helenah; Such dishonesty.
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; stratetgic ass-covering does not make SLAPP OK
09:25 reptilian_thrills; my parsers giving me warnings about possible sarcasm and im having trouble figuring out which parts are negating others
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, I'll be posting on topic
09:25 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Who are you referring to?
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; if people want to follow, fine
09:25 reptilian_thrills; either way i said the other day, you have to be columbo to make sense of this place
09:25 phanes; mjg59_, if you have to warn your employers about multiple people very determined to expose your bad behaviour then consider the possibility that your perspective on your bad behaviour is not in alignment with reality and that you need to seek therapy to address whatever is causing you to harm people in the actions being exposed
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; don't want to police topics
09:25 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: Look, I already said, I can't follow because the tech conversations are smaller than the damn arguments...
09:26 schestowitz[TR]; Helenah: mjg59_ sent me and my wife threatening letters
09:26 reptilian_thrills; as long as pure chaos works, this place is alright
09:26 mjg59_; I sent nothing to his wife
09:26 schestowitz[TR]; and it was NOT about tech
09:26 schestowitz[TR]; you did
09:26 phanes; schestowitz[TR], he sent your wife letters? why? i did not hear about this
09:26 mjg59_; I didn't?
09:26 mjg59_; To the best of my knowledge it was addressed to you
09:26 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> I sent nothing to his wife <- when roy was making shit up about me, he started adding little random bits and pieces like pull requests
09:26 mjg59_; If it was addressed to your wife then I apologise, that was not what I instructed
09:26 Helenah; schestowitz[TR]: I'm going to say no more, it's best to let things marinate sometimes but I do hope it clicks.
09:26 reptilian_thrills; it was like improv
09:27 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, October 16, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/17/irc-log-161022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/17/irc-log-161022/
09:27 mjg59_; And I will bring that up with my lawyer
09:27 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, October 16, 2022 | Techrights
09:27 mjg59_; I had zero intention of involving her with the issue
09:27 reptilian_thrills; like first i said/did x but that was bullshit
09:27 reptilian_thrills; then it was x and y but y was also bullshit
09:27 reptilian_thrills; but they were sort of vaguely connected
09:27 reptilian_thrills; and that would be repeated now and again
09:27 TR News; Going Linux #431 Welcome to Linux! Pt5 - Adding Software to Ubuntu Mate https://goinglinux.com/shownotes.html#glp431
09:27 TR Bot; Going Linux Shownotes
09:28 reptilian_thrills; but each generation would be a little more elaborate and have new details (which were fabrications)
09:28 phanes; only a shit human being would target someone's family though
09:28 mjg59_; phanes: Yeah, which is why I didn't
09:28 phanes; and then write it off as not knowing about it too, ive seen this so many times
09:28 schestowitz[TR]; to be clear, my wife is A LOT more angry at mjg59_ than I am
09:28 phanes; you are such a piece of garbage, ive seen no evidence that you shouldn't just completely destroy yourself
09:28 TR News; Cowsay - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ATgip7yzisA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/ATgip7yzisA
09:28 TR Bot; Cowsay - Invidious
09:29 TR News; As The Web Grows Bigger, It Seems Smaller - Invidious <p class="dropcap-first"> <a class="readon" title="Video" href="https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2CnAzLB0OjU">Read on</a>
09:29 TR Bot; As The Web Grows Bigger, It Seems Smaller - Invidious
09:29 phanes; every single person calling you out on it is "deluded" and "misunderstanding the techniciality" that you aren't just a regular, run of the mill piece of shit that too many people listen to
09:29 TR News; "Linus Tech Tips blows it again, and we clean up. Plus, we push System76's updated Thelio Workstation to the breaking point." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8931
09:30 phanes; so do us all a favor and just end all of this -- both for the people you've hurt and for the people you will inevitably hurt if you are allowed to continue
09:30 mjg59_; phanes: Man you know there was a point where I felt like maybe you were going to find some fundamental part of my personality I was unaware of that would actually reveal I was awful, but instead the more time you spend on this the more it turns out you're just an idiot
09:31 phanes; an idiot that has run circles around you every step of this journey
09:31 phanes; you can't outclass me
09:31 phanes; you keep trying
09:31 phanes; you keep failing
09:31 phanes; you'll never win that
09:31 phanes; but what you can do is grow
09:31 mjg59_; Dude I actually just don't care
09:31 phanes; and if you can't grow i have plenty of options for you to explore
09:32 phanes; mjg59_, that's kind of the problem
09:32 TR News; (NEW): Videos/Shows: Web, Cowsay, Going Linux, and Linux Unplugged http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Videos_Shows_Web_Cowsay_Going_Linux_and_Linux_Unplugged.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Videos_Shows_Web_Cowsay_Going_Linux_and_Linux_Unplugged.gmi
09:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos/Shows: Web, Cowsay, Going Linux, and Linux Unplugged
09:32 mjg59_; Every time you communicate with me you end up providing more evidence for people to discount your position
09:32 phanes; you see, normal people, when they spend decades hurting people and start getting called out on it by multiple people tracking it, actually feel something
09:32 phanes; you don't care -- and that says more than i could ever
09:32 mjg59_; Can you point to the "multiple people"
09:33 phanes; mjg59_, this isn't a courtroom. those people are documented in the site you are exposed and tracked on, and some others are here
09:34 TR News; 20 Linux egrep Command Examples https://www.tecmint.com/egrep-command-examples/
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09:34 mjg59_; Ok noted that you're making unsupported assertions there
09:34 phanes; you can pretend not to be aware of that, like you have done repeatedly in this process, but no one tracking these dialogs will not take away that you are deliberately pretending not to notice
09:34 TR News; Filipe Rosset: Fedora rawhide fixed bugs 2022/09 https://ro7bit.wordpress.com/2022/10/16/fedora-rawhide-fixed-bugs-2022-09/
09:34 TR Bot; Fedora rawhide fixed bugs 2022/09 ::: ro7bit :::
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09:34 mjg59_; Most people grow out of "I'm winning because I say I'm winning" by the time they're a teenager
09:34 mjg59_; But you're 37?
09:35 mjg59_; Show me some external metrics that show you're winning and I'll care
09:35 phanes; that's an assertion you made on my behalf
09:35 phanes; something you keep doing, by the way
09:35 phanes; like
09:35 phanes; if you can't get me to say something
09:35 TR News; Lack of disclosure. ICBM pays this site for all these puff pieces. https://www.itjungle.com/2022/10/17/ibm-i-ptf-guide-volume-24-number-42/ https://www.itjungle.com/2022/10/17/some-power-systems-hardware-tweaks/ https://www.itjungle.com/2022/10/17/in-the-ibm-i-trenches-with-cloudfirst/
09:35 TR Bot; IBM i PTF Guide, Volume 24, Number 42 - IT Jungle
09:35 TR Bot; Some Power Systems Hardware Tweaks - IT Jungle
09:35 TR Bot; In The IBM i Trenches With: CloudFirst - IT Jungle
09:35 phanes; you'll just lie on my behalf and say it for me
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09:36 mjg59_; Show me some external metrics that show you're winning and I'll care
09:36 phanes; im not convinced that your personality disorder will allow you to care
09:36 mjg59_; Everyone I currently care about has been shown your website and Roy's assertions and has let me know they don't care
09:37 MinceR; 17 095925 < schestowitz[TR]> the us made it hard not to owna car
09:37 MinceR; so did orbanistan
09:37 phanes; mjg59_, that shouldn't even be a factor
09:37 phanes; that it is for you shows you're just profoundly missing the point to the height of demonstrating a fundamental flaw in your perception
09:38 mjg59_; Ok
09:38 mjg59_; So, let's check back in a year, and if anything bad has happened to me as a result of your work, I'll admit you win
09:38 phanes; it shouldn't matter if the people close to you care -- it should matter whether you are doing the right things or not -- and this is clearly not part of your framework
09:38 mjg59_; Cool?
09:39 phanes; ^ this demonstrates everything i've been saying
09:39 MinceR; Are We Cool Yet?
09:39 mjg59_; See the thing you fundamentally fail to understand, perhaps because you have some sort of empathy disorder, is that I obviously don't believe that I've done any wrong things
09:39 mjg59_; And you have made zero effort to convince me of the wrongness of anything I've done
09:39 mjg59_; Because you see it as a fundamental truth
09:39 phanes; mjg59_, its not a lack of empathy on that part -- i agree that you don't believe you did anything wrong because you have NPD and will rewrite history to moralize yourself
09:39 mjg59_; Because, well, I have actually no fucking idea it's pretty weird
09:40 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> See the thing you fundamentally fail to understand, perhaps because you have some sort of empathy disorder, is that I obviously don't believe that I've done any wrong things
09:40 reptilian_thrills; RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
09:40 phanes; mjg59_, things like this work themselves out, and, from what i can tell, it already is
09:40 mjg59_; Cool! Then in a year it should have worked itself out, right?
09:40 phanes; you misunderstand my goal. it's not purely to get you to admit wrongdoing.
09:40 phanes; although that would be the best course
09:41 phanes; i have dealt with many people with your disorder
09:41 reptilian_thrills; RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded <- agree with the pot that the kettle is black however
09:41 phanes; i have reasonable outcome expecations
09:41 phanes; *expectations
09:42 phanes; you do not have to see it for it to happen
09:43 phanes; you have a blind spot
09:43 mjg59_; Can you define what you successfully outing me as a defamer looks like for my personal or professional life
09:43 phanes; Well sure I can.
09:44 reptilian_thrills; looks like for my personal or professional life <- i can. it looks like nothing at all
09:44 reptilian_thrills; the people you work for are sympathetic to you
09:44 reptilian_thrills; and your actions
09:44 reptilian_thrills; maybe not all the time, but with regards to this
09:44 reptilian_thrills; or they dont care at all
09:44 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Eh if I wanted a new job it might have impact
09:44 phanes; he's focused on population subset B, don't get him thinking too much about it
09:44 reptilian_thrills; perhaps
09:44 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: So that would be a potentially measurable metric
09:44 reptilian_thrills; idk im pretty cynical at this point
09:45 reptilian_thrills; So that would be a potentially measurable metric <- otoh perhaps youre exaggerating this for devils advocate
09:45 reptilian_thrills; idk
09:45 phanes; he's slithering around for a potential external redress that he doesn't know will backfire spectacularly on him yet
09:46 mjg59_; phanes: In what period of time do you expect it to backfire spectacularly?
09:46 phanes; mjg59_, in what period of time will you be writing those letters?
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09:46 phanes; a hornlock of wills will not suit you here
09:47 phanes; you'll have to either cheat or grow
09:47 phanes; demonstrate your character
09:47 mjg59_; phanes: If I say that I'm never writing those letters, does that mean it'll never backfire spectacularly?
09:47 mjg59_; Or does that mean it'll happen earlier?
09:48 mjg59_; Just give me a date range
09:48 phanes; mjg59_, nah
09:48 mjg59_; Coward
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09:49 phanes; i will say this, though. im locked on for a long, long time. consider cutting off that ankle.
09:49 mjg59_; I am 100% ok with you devoting your life to ineffectually bringing me down and, as a result, spending less time harassing other people
09:49 phanes; i dont need to bring you down
09:49 phanes; you've already done that to yourself
09:50 mjg59_; Yeah reality disagrees
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09:50 phanes; oof. man i do not want to be in the room when you realize where you're really at these days.
09:51 mjg59_; Where am I really?
09:51 mjg59_; Again, this seems like an opportunity for you to provide a measureable metric
09:51 phanes; you are in a circle of people with the same moral defect, an echo chamber that lies about people, and everyone outside of it, which constitutes all of your remaining available opportunity, knows what you are and are associated with
09:51 schestowitz[TR]; bbl, got to carry 25kg of coins :-)
09:52 mjg59_; Uh-huh.
09:52 mjg59_; That circle of people is the set of people who want to employ me and the set of people who want to spend social time with me?
09:53 phanes; i on the other hand can literally walk to the lobby of any gathering and immediately find opportunity because i have the skillsets you pretend to have and the trust you pretend to have
09:53 phanes; no
09:53 phanes; you're fried already
09:53 mjg59_; Cool, get a job with my employer
09:53 MinceR; https://apina.biz/191701.jpg?mode=sfw
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09:53 phanes; that's got nothing to do with me
09:53 phanes; you can "make a living" at this point, but your shine is long faded
09:53 MinceR; he had shine?
09:54 phanes; you spent it on people like ted, me, and some others
09:54 mjg59_; Ok! So, if I make more money in future, does that mean you were wrong?
09:54 phanes; no
09:54 mjg59_; Ok! So, if companies want to hire me for a more senior position in future, does that mean you were wrong?
09:54 phanes; i think your defense mechanisms are interfering with your ability to process the english language
09:54 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Ok! So, if I make more money in future, does that mean you were wrong? <- be sure to adjust for inflation
09:55 phanes; if we write in gaelic will it get through your emotional hijacking
09:55 mjg59_; What does my faded shine mean in the real world
09:55 mjg59_; This doesn't seem like a hard question
09:55 MinceR; 17 105448 < mjg59_> Ok! So, if companies want to hire me for a more senior position in future, does that mean you were wrong?
09:55 phanes; it's all right here: https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/
09:55 TR Bot; Index of /database/Garrett, Matthew
09:55 MinceR; it means there's more free software to attack still :>
09:56 phanes; right in your blind spot
09:56 MinceR; pow! right in the kisser!
09:57 mjg59_; My faded shine is a website that includes me calling Kevin Kofler a dick as an example of me engaging in defamation
09:57 phanes; fwiw i regularly turn down offers from the big 5 after going through their recruiting processes
09:57 phanes; i dont -want- to work at a big 5
09:57 phanes; he's doing that thing where he's misrepresenting a detail as the totality of criticism against his malicious trends
09:58 phanes; hasn't worked well for you matt
09:58 MinceR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big5
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09:58 mjg59_; Honestly amplifying my belief that Kevin Kofler is a dick probably makes me more employable
09:58 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> My faded shine is a website that includes me calling Kevin Kofler a dick as an example of me engaging in defamation <- this is actually poetic
09:58 phanes; it's his only trick
09:58 mjg59_; I've never met anyone who didn't believe Kevin Kofler is a dick
09:59 phanes; "officer i did not rear end that car because their tags are expired"
09:59 reptilian_thrills; i dont even know who that is
09:59 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: A dick
09:59 reptilian_thrills; odds are hes a dick
09:59 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: Better if you don't know tbh
09:59 reptilian_thrills; som people get called dicks unfairly
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10:00 reptilian_thrills; but if we are talking about odds then
10:00 mjg59_; I thought he was a dick 15 years ago, I still do
10:00 phanes; nah he didn't even know the name until like 2 years ago when he thought he might be able to escape his current environment he made toxic by trying to become relevant to fedora and leeching off that
10:01 phanes; many of his opportunities are closed off so tearing someone down is his only potential inlet in a perpetual cycle of toxicity
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10:03 phanes; maybe he can jerk off ben cotton enough to let him have diplomatic immunity in that community
10:07 mjg59_; Yeah I'd literally never heard of Kevin Kofler despite being employed to work on Fedora
10:08 mjg59_; You know I worked for Red Hat, right
10:08 mjg59_; Because it's very easy to discover that
10:08 phanes; i dont care who youve worked for
10:08 phanes; you're garbage
10:08 mjg59_; So I knew who Kevin Kofler was 15 years ago
10:09 mjg59_; And you saying I didn't is a li
10:09 mjg59_; Why do you keep lying about me
10:09 phanes; again, words mean things, and you don't decide what those words mean
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10:09 mjg59_; <phanes> nah he didn't even know the name until like 2 years ago
10:09 phanes; again, words mean things, and you don't decide what those words mean2
10:09 mjg59_; Except I did, so that wasn't true
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10:11 phanes; my whole main point there is that this was yet another instance of you trying to insert yourself back into the next in a series of communities by attacking someone and using that as your springboard into it so that you can generate more supply
10:11 mjg59_; Huh https://www.mail-archive.com/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/msg02447.html is me mentioned in a discussion with Kevin in 2010
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10:11 phanes; you don't "know" kevin
10:11 mjg59_; You said I didn't "know the name"
10:12 mjg59_; And yet here's evidence of me interacting with him from 12 years ago
10:12 phanes; so, this is where you learn what hyperbole is
10:12 mjg59_; Are you saying that your assertion wasn't 100% true?
10:12 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Are you saying that your assertion wasn't 100% true? <- hes so good at this. its like a tech support script.
10:13 mjg59_; Did I know Kevin's name more than 2 years ago? Obviously yes.
10:13 phanes; i am saying that hyperbole is not meant to be taken strictly, in that you probably have known the name, but that documented instance had nothing to do with that, and that you were using an opportunity to smear someone to try to insert yourself into a community so that you can do more of the same
10:13 mjg59_; Did you claim I didn't? Evidence says yes.
10:13 phanes; you can lawyer around on it but you can also go fuck yourself for twisting words around
10:13 reptilian_thrills; its not just tech support companies. pickup artists use scripts like that. and even some therapists do now.
10:14 reptilian_thrills; theyll give patients scripts to use to interact with people
10:14 mjg59_; reptilian_thrills: I deliberately went on a date years ago with someone who promised to neg me and it was surprisingly effective! I've absolutely made sure to avoid doing that
10:15 phanes; he loses at this literally every single time and still persists, ive got to give his delusion of superiority some credit for persistence
10:15 mjg59_; phanes: k let me know when something happens to me in the real world
10:15 phanes; bc here i am shitfaced and he's still not getting a win
10:15 phanes; like im almost passed out and your bullshit angling doesn't work
10:15 reptilian_thrills; it was surprisingly effective! <- i watched two neighbours seduce each other this way
10:16 phanes; you are so bad at this
10:16 reptilian_thrills; they seemed to hate each other and then two hours later... well anyway
10:16 mjg59_; Huh
10:16 mjg59_; You still haven't defined what a win is
10:17 mjg59_; Write that down and I'll care
10:17 mjg59_; Your obvious counterargument is that you don't care whether I care
10:17 phanes; on a brighter note, a strong parallel, i've noticed that alot of people with NPD are exceptionally gullible to their own rhetoric styles, which is really educational about what their intent is when they do this stuff
10:17 mjg59_; In which case, why do you keep responding to me
10:17 mjg59_; Anyway this is all on you I'm going to bed now
10:18 phanes; you just keep telling yourself that
10:18 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> Anyway this is all on you I'm going to bed now <- the coup dgrace
10:18 MinceR; hi going to bed now, i'm dad
10:18 reptilian_thrills; <MinceR> hi going to bed now, i'm dad <- i spoke too soon :D
10:18 mjg59_; And I guess given it's like almost 4:20 where you are and you're shitfaced that I hope the hangover isn't too bad
10:18 reptilian_thrills; it's like almost 4:20 where you are and you're shitfaced that I hope the hangover <- if its 4:20 that wont cause a hangover
10:19 phanes; its 5:20 out here
10:19 reptilian_thrills; its its 5:00 somewhere THAT might cause a hangover
10:19 mjg59_; Oh, you're further east that I thought
10:19 mjg59_; My apologies
10:19 mjg59_; Anyway yeah what he said
10:19 phanes; i have some serious sleep problems so weekends are rough
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10:20 mjg59_; Well shit I do have sympathy for you there
10:20 phanes; no you dont
10:20 mjg59_; Booze probably doesn't solve it
10:20 phanes; you don't experience those emotions, you emulate them and express them
10:20 mjg59_; No, I've had sleep issues in the past and it wasn't fun
10:20 mjg59_; Sigh
10:20 mjg59_; You have a specific model of me
10:21 phanes; an accurate one
10:21 mjg59_; Well, obviously I disagree
10:21 mjg59_; But
10:21 phanes; that's expected
10:21 phanes; there are zero cases of rehabilitated NPD
10:21 phanes; none of them acknowledge they have the disorder
10:21 mjg59_; A useful exercise for you would be to consider what it would take to convince you that your model was wrong
10:21 phanes; starting writing those letters
10:22 mjg59_; Because if you can contrue no scenario where you'd believe your model is wrong, that's not a good sign
10:23 phanes; that's not my problem, that's your problem
10:23 mjg59_; I am rubber, you are glue
10:23 MinceR; lol
10:24 reptilian_thrills; <mjg59_> I am rubber, you are glue <- this cant be in the script
10:24 mjg59_; How appropriate. You fight like a cow.
10:24 phanes; to his credit i was just about to mention the startling lack of infantilization behaviours
10:25 mjg59_; Hey dude you're the one who's getting shitfaced to deal with his sleeping issues
10:25 phanes; now that i think about it though i think for cluster B's that might be bedroom behaviour, which often won't translate to conflict navigation
10:25 mjg59_; Maybe you have some work to do on yourself there
10:26 phanes; nah you're inventing scenarios based on shreds of details you picked up again
10:26 phanes; im not kevin koefler im someone who actually bites back
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10:26 scientes38; XRevan86, cyrillic doesn't seem to have a clear numerology like the English version of Latin
10:27 mjg59_; Yeah I've already had the experience of a dog with no teeth gumming my leg
10:27 scientes38; in which the numerology is criticical simply because English's Latin orthography fucking sucks
10:27 scientes38; but the letters still have names, unlike Georgian
10:27 scientes38; which use the (correct, to be arrogant) sound-only names for letters
10:28 phanes; mjg59_, if you'd like to test that theory, we could always fly out to the midwest somewhere to meet and resolve our differences in a style reserved to an older world
10:28 mjg59_; Name the place and I'll be there
10:28 mjg59_; Well
10:28 mjg59_; Provide the time as wel
10:28 scientes38; "The letters also had numeric values, based not on Cyrillic alphabetical order, but inherited from the letters' Greek ancestors. "
10:29 mjg59_; We can have seconds, right?
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10:29 scientes38; I did notice that greek legacy that Latin also has
10:29 phanes; we could make a youtube event of it, sell tickets to that time you got your arse kicked by chris punches
10:29 scientes38; with the order
10:29 scientes38; which actually even goes back earlier than the greek (or at least written greek, contrasting to Homer)
10:30 mjg59_; phanes: Works for me. Find a venue?
10:31 phanes; mjg59_, while i'd enjoy it, that's not a track you want to go down. plus no gaurantee you'd show based on last night's little integrity slip.
10:32 reptilian_thrills; i was never on irc until 2000 something
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10:33 reptilian_thrills; using some dos-based client
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10:37 reptilian_thrills; wild
10:37 reptilian_thrills; i know a lot of this but not in such a coherent timeline
10:39 MinceR; https://apina.biz/191674.jpg?mode=sfw
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10:40 phanes; MinceR, in all fairness those are beautiful works of art
10:40 MinceR; i'm not bothered by it
10:41 MinceR; but the drama is amusing
10:42 reptilian_thrills; Undernet is a lot worse than Libera, believe me when I say this. It consists of a group of committees who keep watch on everything, one of those committees will check the list of channels you're in against a "list of bad channels" and if you are seen to be in those bad channels then the X bot ban you from the other channels that you're in. <- at one point libera was more like this
10:42 reptilian_thrills; <Helenah> So they're a Government in themselves and they're dictating the shit out of people. <- the main freedom people want
10:42 reptilian_thrills; is the freedom to tell other people what to do
10:42 MinceR; :>
10:43 MinceR; undernet also has subpar services
10:43 phanes; that's the truth
10:43 phanes; imagine if f/oss just was everyone focused on the product
10:43 phanes; we'd be living on MARS by now
10:55 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDaH_DDEXMA
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11:19 *Helenah hands over a sloppy joe to phanes
11:19 *Helenah hands over a sloppy joe to mjg59_
11:20 *Helenah hands over a sloppy joe to schestowitz[TR]
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13:27 TR News; iTWire - Optus' digital ad spend back to normal after breach, says data firm https://itwire.com/security/optus-digital-ad-spend-back-to-normal-after-breach,-says-data-firm.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/security/optus-digital-ad-spend-back-to-normal-after-breach,-says-data-firm.html
13:27 TR Bot; - Optus' digital ad spend back to normal after breach, says data firm
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13:44 TR News; IBM on Automation: 5 ways it can change lives https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/10/automation-changes-lives in WW2 IBM used automation to kill millions of people
13:44 TR Bot; Automation: 5 ways it can change lives | The Enterprisers Project
13:45 TR News; From the company that told workers "you are an IBM employee 100% of the time" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/10/it-leadership-how-defeat-burnout
13:45 TR Bot; IT leadership: How to defeat burnout | The Enterprisers Project
13:48 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
13:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
13:48 TR News; (NEW): edora Family / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Fedora_Family_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftover.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Fedora_Family_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftover.gmi
13:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines edora Family / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
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13:48 TR News; (NEW): edora Family / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Fedora_Family_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftover.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Fedora_Family_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftover.gmi
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13:49 TR News; Why you should consider Rexx for scripting https://opensource.com/article/22/10/rexx-scripting-language
13:49 TR Bot; you should consider Rexx for scripting | Opensource.com
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14:00 starstreak; TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Why you should consider Rexx for scripting | Opensource.com <- This was in OS/2
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14:09 TR News; "AgensGraph is a new-generation multi-model graph database for the modern complex data environment." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/announcing-the-release-of-agensgraph-213-2527/
14:09 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: Announcing the release of AgensGraph 2.13
14:11 TR News; (NEW): Best Terminal for Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Best_Terminal_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Best_Terminal_for_Linux.gmi
14:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines Best Terminal for Linux
14:11 TR News; (NEW): PostgreSQL: Ora2Pg 23.2 released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/PostgreSQL_Ora2Pg_23_2_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/PostgreSQL_Ora2Pg_23_2_released.gmi
14:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines PostgreSQL: Ora2Pg 23.2 released
14:12 MinceR; https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/122/195/540.jpg
14:17 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/society/256107
14:17 TR Bot; Russian alphabet 2022: Artist Andrey Bilzho reflects on war and partial mobilization. Part I
14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
14:20 TR News; iTWire - Criticism of Kelly's new TV show has nothing to do with age https://itwire.com/open-sauce/criticism-of-kelly-s-new-tv-show-has-got-nothing-to-do-with-age.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/open-sauce/criticism-of-kelly-s-new-tv-show-has-got-nothing-to-do-with-age.html
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14:20 TR Bot; - Criticism of Kelly's new TV show has nothing to do with age
14:22 TR News; (NEW): Best System Monitoring tool for Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Best_System_Monitoring_tool_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Best_System_Monitoring_tool_for_Linux.gmi
14:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Best System Monitoring tool for Linux
14:22 TR News; (NEW): Setzer: A New Open-source LaTeX editor http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Setzer_A_New_Open_source_LaTeX_editor.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Setzer_A_New_Open_source_LaTeX_editor.gmi
14:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Setzer: A New Open-source LaTeX editor
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14:29 XRevan86; https://neuters.de/technology/parler-be-acquired-by-kanye-west-2022-10-17/
14:29 TR Bot; Kanye West to buy social media app Parler
14:29 starstreak; its going to be weird if fedora 37 comes out with gnome 43 and arch still runs on gnome 42
14:35 TR News; (NEW): Best File manager for Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Best_File_manager_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Best_File_manager_for_Linux.gmi
14:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines Best File manager for Linux
14:37 TR News; (NEW): Save your personal data on Linux with Pika Backup http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Save_your_personal_data_on_Linux_with_Pika_Backup.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Save_your_personal_data_on_Linux_with_Pika_Backup.gmi
↺ gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Save_your_personal_data_on_Linux_with_Pika_Backup.gmi
14:37 TR Bot; Tux Machines Save your personal data on Linux with Pika Backup
14:37 schestowitz[TR]; social control media is worthless
14:37 schestowitz[TR]; that's why many shut down
14:37 schestowitz[TR]; or sell desperately
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14:41 starstreak; except facebook, the one social network i'd like to see fall
14:41 starstreak; but at the same time its the place i get most of my memes
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14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 155.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 106.70
15:04 TR News; "i've been puzzling over this setup for a while now. its been a dream of mine to launch an X session directly into tomo's desktop shell. NOW YOU CAN! i'm using wmiv as my default shell until tomo shell is ready to take over as a desktop environment." gemini://sunshinegardens.org/~xj9/posts/2022-10-16-tomo-desktop-environment/
15:05 TR News; "I'm very much reaping what I've sown here and I'm truly grateful that everything is so amicable despite that. It'll be some hard times ahead but I'm tentatively optimistic about the future for everyone involved." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-10-17-i-m-doing-alright.gmi
15:06 TR News; Fixing the 4wd flashing lights issue on an MN Triton gemini://wtrhs.com/post/triton-4wd-flashing-lights/
15:07 TR News; SpellBinding: ABCEKSO Wordo: DURST gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-10-17.gmi
15:10 TR News; How desktop and GPU virtualisation power up automotive innovation | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/how-desktop-and-gpu-virtualisation-power-up-automotive-innovation Source: Ubuntubuzz | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntu.com//blog/how-desktop-and-gpu-virtualisation-power-up-automotive-innovation
15:10 TR Bot; desktop and GPU virtualisation power up automotive innovation | Ubuntu
15:11 TR News; (NEW): $858 Linux mini PC features NVIDIA Jetson Xavier NX 8GB module, 128GB NVMe SSD http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/_858_Linux_mini_PC_features_NVIDIA_Jetson_Xavier_NX_8GB_module_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/_858_Linux_mini_PC_features_NVIDIA_Jetson_Xavier_NX_8GB_module_.gmi
15:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines $858 Linux mini PC features NVIDIA Jetson Xavier NX 8GB module, 128GB NVMe SSD
15:12 TR News; Microsofts out-of-date driver list left Windows PCs open to malware attacks for years https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/16/23405739/microsoft-out-of-date-driver-list-windows-pcs-malware-attacks-years-byovd
15:12 TR Bot; Microsofts out-of-date driver list left Windows PCs open to malware attacks for years - The Verge
15:16 TR News; http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/USB_Drive_benchmark_test_on_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/USB_Drive_benchmark_test_on_Linux.gmi
15:16 TR Bot; Tux Machines USB Drive benchmark test on Linux
15:17 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/2208101
15:17 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/y0ngrr0y0hg91.jpg created on 2022-08-10 01:01:02.749018
15:18 starstreak; wow people are assholes in #fedora
15:18 starstreak; fedora 37 in 7 days, 23 hours, 47 minutes, 12 seconds until the Fedora 37 (10/25/2022) (1400 UTC) release.
15:19 starstreak; i herd openSUSE has gnome 43 already
15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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15:38 TR News; "The EPO Patent Quality Charter came into force on 1 October, replacing the previous quality policy which the EPO published in 2013." https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/legal-commentary/dissatisfied-industry-users-push-back-against-epo-quality-measures/
15:38 TR Bot; Dissatisfied industry users push back against EPO quality measures - JUVE Patent
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15:43 TR News; "The significant feature of Linux is its transparency and openness to change. But users pay for it with the standardization of the command process." https://net2.com/12-linux-basic-health-check-commands-for-monitoring-performance/
15:43 TR Bot; 12 Linux Basic Health Check Commands for Monitoring Performance
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15:44 TR News; (NEW): Zynq UltraScale+ SoM with up to 12GB RAM targets LiDAR applications http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Zynq_UltraScale_SoM_with_up_to_12GB_RAM_targets_LiDAR_applicati.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Zynq_UltraScale_SoM_with_up_to_12GB_RAM_targets_LiDAR_applicati.gmi
15:44 TR Bot; Tux Machines Zynq UltraScale+ SoM with up to 12GB RAM targets LiDAR applications
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15:48 TR News; (NEW): Ubuntu but rolling but also stable! That's what Rhino Linux aims to be http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Ubuntu_but_rolling_but_also_stable_That_s_what_Rhino_Linux_aims.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Ubuntu_but_rolling_but_also_stable_That_s_what_Rhino_Linux_aims.gmi
15:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines Ubuntu but rolling but also stable! That's what Rhino Linux aims to be
16:00 TR News; (NEW): Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Terminal http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Apple_Terminal.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Apple_Terminal.gmi
16:01 TR Bot; Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Terminal
16:07 TR News; Surveillance base station. GAFAM+NSA https://www.maketecheasier.com/apple-developing-ipad-smart-home-hub-or-dock/
16:07 TR Bot; Apple Developing an iPad Smart Home Hub or Dock - Make Tech Easier
16:16 TR News; "We need to increase the power of one of the Copr VMs. The machine needs to be rebooted, so we expect a several minutes outage. This will affect the copr-backend machine, so RPM repositories will be down." https://status.fedoraproject.org/2022-10-17-copr-backend-reboot.html
16:16 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://status.fedoraproject.org/2022-10-17-copr-backend-reboot.html )
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16:19 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Android_Leftovers.gmi
16:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
16:22 TR News; (NEW): Tails 5.5 is out http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Tails_5_5_is_out.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Tails_5_5_is_out.gmi
16:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Tails 5.5 is out
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16:27 schestowitz[TR]; hi, techuser
16:27 techuser; hi
16:28 schestowitz[TR]; did you lose power?
16:28 techuser; no
16:28 schestowitz[TR]; mattepo said you had ben on other irc networks
16:28 starstreak; linucks
16:29 techuser; I only appeared on IKTeam and TWISTED IRCs to tell people that I don't have access to my laptop for a while.
16:32 *dope_dealer does a lot of drugs
16:33 techuser; dope_dealer: come to TWISTED IRC probably
16:33 techuser; its admin talks about drugs
16:33 techuser; irc.executingreality.com/+6697 #winning
16:33 techuser; also maybe irc.stardust.cx/+6697 #stardust also has some drugs users
16:33 techuser; StardustNetwork
16:34 dope_dealer; sweet
16:34 *dope_dealer gives some dope to techuser
16:34 dope_dealer; the first one is free
16:35 TR News; SC issues notice in petition against internet shutdowns https://internetfreedom.in/sc-decides-to-hear-challenge-against-internet-shutdown-orders-in-j-k-in-a-petition-by-private-school-association-of-j-k/ Source: Internet Freedom Foundation
16:35 TR Bot; SC issues notice in petition against internet shutdowns
16:37 TR News; Meet us at Kubeflow Summit 2022 | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/meet-us-at-kubeflow-summit-2022 Source: Ubuntu | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntu.com//blog/meet-us-at-kubeflow-summit-2022
16:37 TR Bot; us at Kubeflow Summit 2022 | Ubuntu
16:43 TR News; Bad advice. They basically tell you to install proprietary Microsoft spyware and vendor lock-in on a platform that already has many decent code editors which are also Free software and respect privacy. https://linuxiac.com/how-to-install-vs-code-on-fedora-linux/
16:43 TR Bot; How to Install VS Code on Fedora Linux: A Step-by-Step Guide
16:43 schestowitz[TR]; dope_dealer: are you here for tech rights or for trolling?
16:45 TR News; That dancing robot is CREEPY. Reacting to your BAD (and great) Steam Deck boot movies. - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=r88JLj-WChY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/r88JLj-WChY
16:45 TR Bot; That dancing robot is CREEPY. Reacting to your BAD (and great) Steam Deck boot movies. - Invidious
16:49 TR News; Ubuntu bug fix anniversary | Just Jeremy https://jeremy.bicha.net/2022/10/17/ubuntu-bug-fix-anniversary/ Source: Jeremy | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//jeremy.bicha.net/2022/10/17/ubuntu-bug-fix-anniversary/
16:49 TR Bot; Ubuntu bug fix anniversary | Just Jeremy
16:52 dope_dealer; schestowitz[TR]: im here for tech rights
16:53 dope_dealer; i love the up to date links and information
16:54 schestowitz[TR]; good
16:57 TR News; (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu: Bug Fixing, Kubeflow, VeraCrypt, and and vGPUs http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Canonical_Ubuntu_Bug_Fixing_Kubeflow_VeraCrypt_and_and_vGPUs.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Canonical_Ubuntu_Bug_Fixing_Kubeflow_VeraCrypt_and_and_vGPUs.gmi
16:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu: Bug Fixing, Kubeflow, VeraCrypt, and and vGPUs
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 112.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 84.15
17:00 TR News; PHP 8.2 Preparation Tasks https://wiki.php.net/todo/php82 coming soon
17:00 TR Bot; PHP: todo:php82
17:01 MinceR; (cat) https://www.deviantart.com/furlined/art/Stalker-911900121
17:01 TR Bot; by FurLined on DeviantArt
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17:03 TR News; The typical malicious clickbait from Simon Sharwood https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/16/Linus_Torvalds_Announces_First_Linux_Kernel_6_1_Release_Candida.shtml
17:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux Kernel 6.1 Release Candidate
17:04 phanes; mjg59_, as much as I hate to admit it, I owe you and your fiance a sincere apology on something. I made an assumption and did not realize that Agora had undergone confirmation surgery. I apologize for assuming that this was an extension of your tendency to hide behind vulnerable communities, and if they are aware of my ugly comments, please extend my apologies to them for that. While I dislike both of you for good reasons, the assumptions I
17:04 phanes; expressed were toxic, assumptive, and ultimately harmful to others going through the same journey.
17:04 TR News; Best Privacy - Security Tools For Linux - Latest Hacking News | Cyber Security News, Hacking Tools and Penetration Testing Courses https://latesthackingnews.com/2022/10/17/best-privacy-security-tools-for-linux/
17:04 TR Bot; Best Privacy & Security Tools For Linux - Latest Hacking News | Cyber Security News, Hacking Tools and Penetration Testing Courses
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17:06 starstreak; ok so i rebooted for linucks 6.0.2 and checked my memory usage, looks like gnome + keybase use 1.9GB
17:06 TR News; Porting Slate to Qt for WebAssembly https://www.qt.io/blog/porting-slate-to-qt-for-webassembly Source: Qt | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/porting-slate-to-qt-for-webassembly
17:06 TR Bot; Porting Slate to Qt for WebAssembly
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17:07 TR News; Mozilla Firefox 106 https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/106.0/
17:07 TR Bot; Directory Listing: /pub/firefox/releases/106.0/
17:10 TR News; (NEW): [KDE/Nate Graham] On hiring, and fundraising to make it more biggerer http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/_KDE_Nate_Graham_On_hiring_and_fundraising_to_make_it_more_bigg.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/_KDE_Nate_Graham_On_hiring_and_fundraising_to_make_it_more_bigg.gmi
17:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines [KDE/Nate Graham] On hiring, and fundraising to make it more biggerer
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17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
17:22 TR News; Yocto Linux: Tutorial Basics https://linuxconfig.org/yocto-linux-tutorial-basics
17:22 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://linuxconfig.org/yocto-linux-tutorial-basics )
17:23 TR News; "Shortcut keys provide an easier and quicker method of navigating and executing commands on the command line." https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/shortcuts-command-line-navigation Source: Red Hat Official
17:23 TR Bot; 5 ways to navigate the Linux terminal faster | Enable Sysadmin
17:25 TR News; "CISA has released RedEye, an interactive open-source analytic tool to visualize and report Red Team command and control activities." https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/10/17/cisa-redeye-open-source-analytic-tool/ OUTSOURCED to PROPRIETARY trap of MICROSOFT
17:25 TR Bot; CISA releases RedEye open-source analytic tool - Help Net Security
17:30 TR News; (NEW): GNU/Linux Tools for Performance Monitoring and Security/Privacy http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/GNU_Linux_Tools_for_Performance_Monitoring_and_Security_Privacy.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/GNU_Linux_Tools_for_Performance_Monitoring_and_Security_Privacy.gmi
17:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines GNU/Linux Tools for Performance Monitoring and Security/Privacy
17:30 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi
17:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
17:30 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
17:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
17:31 TR News; (UPDATED): Linux Kernel 6.0 Officially Released, This Is Whats New (UPDATED) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/02/Linux_Kernel_6_0_Officially_Released_This_Is_What_s_New.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/02/Linux_Kernel_6_0_Officially_Released_This_Is_What_s_New.gmi
17:31 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux Kernel 6.0 Officially Released, This Is Whats New (UPDATED)
17:37 TR News; "Sponsored Post". CNX: we published this spam because someone paid us to, not because it is relevant. https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/10/17/robobeats-interactive-music-robot-doubles-as-bluetooth-speaker/
17:37 TR Bot; roboBeats - Interactive music robot doubles as Bluetooth speaker (Sponsored) - CNX Software
17:40 MinceR; lol @ Agora's surgery
17:51 TR News; GCC: Initial Meteorlake Support https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commit;h=fd206f0e95fb6f41b96eaaaab1dc0c30378e5e08
17:51 TR Bot; Git - gcc.git/commit
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18:07 TR News; Links 17/10/2022: Tails 5.5 and Mozilla Firefox 106 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/17/mozilla-firefox-106/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/17/mozilla-firefox-106/
18:07 TR Bot; Links 17/10/2022: Tails 5.5 and Mozilla Firefox 106 | Techrights
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18:07 TR News; (NEW): Security and Microsoft Tax Evasion http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Security_and_Microsoft_Tax_Evasion.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Security_and_Microsoft_Tax_Evasion.gmi
18:07 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security and Microsoft Tax Evasion
18:07 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22080960
18:07 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/qk64w9agshg91.jpg created on 2022-08-09 18:41:55.732669
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18:19 AdmFubar; https://www.propublica.org/article/yieldstar-rent-increase-realpage-rent
18:19 TR Bot; How a Secret Rent Algorithm Pushes Rents Higher ProPublica
18:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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18:58 AdmFubar; https://techxplore.com/news/2022-10-fog-reveal-legal-scholar-app.html
18:58 TR Bot; What is Fog Reveal? A legal scholar explains the app some police forces are using to track people without a warrant
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 147.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 95.56
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19:12 phanes; MinceR, eh, sometimes I'm wrong too. I make adjustments when I realize it. I acknowledge my personal failure in that, but continue to assert that they are both gigantic pieces of dog shit.
19:13 phanes; Not just regular dog shit either. The kind of dog shit that gets made when a dog spots another dog's turd out on a walk, and eats it, and then makes it into a new dog turd for the cycle to repeat.
19:14 phanes; We're talking twice-shat dog shit.
19:15 phanes; Dues ex Excrementus
19:16 MinceR; lol
19:18 phanes; That said, I was 100% wrong to express the assumption that they had not undergone what was likely a painful journey of gender transition.
19:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
19:32 starstreak; attack surface btw
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19:42 starstreak; I'm watching "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" and it was one of the first movies I saw as a kid. I remember thinking cartoons were real because of it. Now, only Alex Jones fits the bill as a cartoon character.
19:43 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1582006631394869250 Well, shit.
19:43 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Look at @YouTube protecting Russian propagandists. They've deleted 60 of my videos this morning. For those who preferred to watch and share my videos from there, sorry about that. Try to watch as soon as I post, because YouTube is likely to delete, to protect the Kremlin's image."|nitter.it
19:43 phanes; check out cool world if you like that genre starstreak
19:43 starstreak; oh yeah!
19:44 *starstreak downloads
19:48 starstreak; there was a really bad cool world video game for snes
20:00 TR News; "Ok, so, I've basically resolved myself to quit this job and do something else. There's nothing for me here, and I'm not interested in dealing with my boss anymore." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1666015289
20:01 TR News; There's No Such Thing as a Rodent gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/fish.gmi
20:02 TR News; Morning Photos 2022-10-17 (Fairbanks, AK, US) gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20221017-0.gmi
20:02 TR News; Curatorial thinking, free speech gemini://oberdada.pollux.casa/gemlog/2022-10-17_curatorial_thinking.gmi
20:18 AdmFubar; https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-17/uk-discusses-blackout-planning-with-data-center-operators
20:18 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
20:20 TR News; Even Patent Maximalists Across Europe Are Dissatisfied With the European Patent Offices Shameless Race to the Bottom (Illegal European Patents) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/17/epo-in-trouble/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/17/epo-in-trouble/
20:20 TR Bot; Even Patent Maximalists Across Europe Are Dissatisfied With the European Patent Offices Shameless Race to the Bottom (Illegal European Patents) | Techrights
20:25 mjg59_; phanes: Thanks, I appreciate you apologising for making a clearly factually incorrect assertion
20:26 TR News; [Meme] The F***ing Precedent | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/17/epo-precedent/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/17/epo-precedent/
20:26 TR Bot; [Meme] The F***ing Precedent | Techrights
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20:36 dope_dealer; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpes_ImFPnM
20:36 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=wpes_ImFPnM
20:36 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=wpes_ImFPnM )
20:37 DaemonFC; Okay, so the fender is in, the paint matches this time.
20:37 DaemonFC; It's not that stupid military gray that they tried to pull on us last time.
20:37 DaemonFC; RockAuto. :P
20:38 DaemonFC; I'm trying to keep the car all one color. :)
20:38 DaemonFC; It looks good except for the driver side fender is just bubbling up. No break through yet, but it's definitely rust going on under there that's just not going to be fixed.
20:39 DaemonFC; I figured sanding it down, filling it with bondo, and painting it would work, but....
20:39 DaemonFC; It looked perfect for two months and then the paint started to go bad again. Something happened and there's some cavitation and the repair just didn't hold.
20:40 DaemonFC; I wouldn't have normally bought a car that had that much rust on a fender except that the rest of the car is in fairly good shape, excepting that brake mess that I had to work through.
20:41 DaemonFC; It just passed 58,000 miles and it's a 2008. For the most part, it looks like it's only 2-3 years old.
20:41 DaemonFC; Like someone got dinged not terribly bad a time or two and took it through the wash for a couple years.
20:42 DaemonFC; Nothing makes you more pissed off than buying a brand new car and your first payment for 6 years has just gone into the bank, and......
20:42 DaemonFC; You get door dinged by someone in a rust bucket that followed you out to the edge of the parking lot for some reason.
20:43 DaemonFC; mjg59_, I hate California. Tesla is one of the reasons. Everyone who drives one is a piece of shit.
20:43 DaemonFC; They cut you off and break all of the traffic laws and such.
20:43 DaemonFC; I got revenge on one of them coming back up from vacation.
20:43 DaemonFC; They tried to zoom past me in a lane that turned into an exit ramp and get back out in front.
20:44 starstreak; Did you sign them up for 1000s of mailing lists?
20:44 DaemonFC; So I trapped them behind my Buick and an Impala behind me by speeding up and then slowing down to close distance so they couldn't get back in.
20:44 DaemonFC; So they had to get on the off ramp heading towards Indiana or crash into the rain buckets.
20:44 DaemonFC; So they chose the Indiana off ramp.
20:45 DaemonFC; Hope they were at 100% when they set out because there's no charging stations for the piece of shit.
20:45 dope_dealer; road rage because of the car they drive? you sound like the piece of shit
20:46 starstreak; ^
20:46 phanes; mjg59_, you're welcome, you twice shat dog turd
20:46 DaemonFC; We have signs that warn against pissing off Chicago drivers on the freeway.
20:47 DaemonFC; A lot of them will just pull out a gun and start shooting at your car.
20:49 DaemonFC; <dope_dealer> road rage because of the car they drive? you sound like the piece of shit
20:49 DaemonFC; They're all very aggressive.
20:49 DaemonFC; Nobody likes Tesla drivers.
20:50 DaemonFC; They peel out in front of you and pass using the emergency lane and stuff.
20:50 DaemonFC; Get right up on your bumper.
20:50 DaemonFC; They're worse than a teenager in a Honda.
20:51 TR News; (NEW): Stable Kernels: Linux 5.10.149 and Linux 5.4.219 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Stable_Kernels_Linux_5_10_149_and_Linux_5_4_219.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Stable_Kernels_Linux_5_10_149_and_Linux_5_4_219.gmi
20:51 DaemonFC; Electric cars have a lot of torque and horsepower, usually, but that's where the good part ends.
20:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines Stable Kernels: Linux 5.10.149 and Linux 5.4.219
20:51 DaemonFC; The battery packs are extremely unreliable and they cost more than an entire gasoline-powered car to replace.
20:51 DaemonFC; And they tend to die every 5-6 years, and then you find out that it's 50/50 as to whether you can even get another one.
20:52 DaemonFC; So you may have car payments for a year on something that needs a $20,000 battery.
20:52 DaemonFC; It's an impossible choice about whether to even bother fixing a car like that because if they make the battery and you pay to have them put it in, you have a car that's 5-6 years old that has other stuff waiting to go bad like bam bam bam bam bam.
20:53 DaemonFC; And so you're just as well off to take the loss and start over at this point.
20:53 DaemonFC; So they're a toy for rich people that Biden is propping up with my taxes.
20:54 DaemonFC; Electric cars are Hell. It isn't just the battery. It's the software, it's the level of knowledge required to work on it (expensive labor hours), sensors, software.....
20:54 phanes; yeah they've almost reached a point where open and flagrant, widespread disregard of the restrictions being passed on vehicles would be appropriate
20:54 DaemonFC; It's not like you're going to go down and tell the shop give me the $99 brake pads if you're broke and you just need the car to stop.
20:55 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], had an entire series about this where he quoted me talking about these things.
20:55 DaemonFC; Even the gas powered cars are getting pretty bad.
20:55 DaemonFC; But electric? No way!
20:55 phanes; the government spends too much time and resources making decisions for the private sector
20:56 DaemonFC; There's only two reasons why you may need to replace an entire gas tank. Someone drilled the tank to get your gas or it rusted and you can't get it to stop leaking now.
20:56 DaemonFC; And it's never $20,000 like one of these damned batteries.
20:56 DaemonFC; That's a lot of gas. :)
20:56 DaemonFC; If all someone did was drill it, you might get away with patching it using JB Weld or something.
20:56 phanes; or someone filled your tank with plastic beads
20:57 DaemonFC; It's cheaper than an entire gas tank.
20:57 DaemonFC; phanes, Those modern cars are a much more attractive target for vandals who want your catalytic converter.
20:58 DaemonFC; They'll get 3-6 times as much money going after a hybrid car than mine.
20:58 DaemonFC; I've never had a catalytic converter stolen because I tend to drive older model cars where they'd have to dismantle a bunch of shit to get at it and they'd get like $80 in the end.
20:59 DaemonFC; It's much easier to go after a Prius with a sawzall for 3 minutes and get $350.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.73 k/sec., IPFS upstream 113.95 average k/sec., average swarm size 113.33
21:00 DaemonFC; You're going to make a hell of a lot of noise so you want to swoop in and get out before the police respond.
21:00 DaemonFC; Which means if it's going to take you longer than a few minutes, don't bother.
21:00 DaemonFC; Most of these people doing catalytic converter thefts wouldn't be out there doing this if there were any jobs for them or they didn't already have a criminal record.
21:01 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi
21:01 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
21:01 DaemonFC; It's only going to get worse and worse the longer Biden's in office doubling the unemployment rate in a deliberate recession.
21:01 DaemonFC; The shit rolls downhill eventually.
21:01 DaemonFC; When the mjg59_ people get fired from their fake job at the cash furnace.....
21:02 DaemonFC; They stop going to Starbucks eventually.
21:03 DaemonFC; The Fed is pretty much done accomodating all of these bubble companies like Aurora.
21:03 DaemonFC; So they have whatever money they had on hand plus revenue, but his employer burns 10 times their revenue every year.
21:03 DaemonFC; So they don't have long to live.
21:03 DaemonFC; In the course of a year, there's enough revenue to cover operations for about a month.
21:04 DaemonFC; So, sooner or later the CEO comes out and announces "layoffs to keep the winning going".
21:04 DaemonFC; If he can take another 6 months to plow it into the ground, he can bank another bonus, you know.
21:04 DaemonFC; Winning.
21:05 DaemonFC; That's all it is now. Tending to the corpse and begging Microsoft to pay too much for it.
21:06 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is at a job where he deserves to fail.
21:06 DaemonFC; The whole company exists to make drivers obsolete. So it's an attack on millions of workers.
21:06 DaemonFC; It's worse than if he took the job at Netflix doing DRM.
21:07 TR News; The ILOs Tribunal Decided That the Appeals Committee (ApC) at the European Patent Office (EPO) is Flawed and Staff Can Take Action | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/17/clock-at-iloat-is-ticking/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/17/clock-at-iloat-is-ticking/
21:07 TR Bot; The ILOs Tribunal Decided That the Appeals Committee (ApC) at the European Patent Office (EPO) is Flawed and Staff Can Take Action | Techrights
21:07 phanes; honestly the DRM gig might distract him from making the whole UEFI thing any worse
21:07 DaemonFC; There's not very many good paying jobs left for people who couldn't go to college and trucking is one of them.
21:07 DaemonFC; And Aurora wants to take that away and give it to software that inevitably causes more accidents.
21:08 DaemonFC; Software has bugs. It's not intuitive.
21:08 DaemonFC; When I'm driving my car I have to instinctively interpret many variables very quickly, including the odds of everyone else on the road doing anything that can conceivably happen.
21:08 DaemonFC; So you can't have this software + humans on the road.
21:09 DaemonFC; You'd need an integrated system to manage it all, and that makes it vulnerable to malware or state-sponsored murder.
21:09 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> Software has bugs. It's not intuitive.
21:09 schestowitz[TR]; I'd frame it differently
21:09 schestowitz[TR]; since I ahve direct experience in this are
21:09 DaemonFC; You can't install a RAT into my brain and force me to crash the Buick.
21:09 phanes; not yet anyway
21:09 schestowitz[TR]; the issue is the non-deterministic nature of the problem domain
21:09 DaemonFC; It's air gapped. It doesn't run foreign software.
21:10 schestowitz[TR]; you deal with -- as you say -- a plastic bag flying in the wind
21:10 schestowitz[TR]; pets and animals
21:10 schestowitz[TR]; humans in various scenarios
21:10 phanes; BCI is advancing at a jogger's pace
21:10 schestowitz[TR]; like running at you asking for help
21:10 schestowitz[TR]; for a car to figure out what goes on in the mind of people is hard
21:10 schestowitz[TR]; like, figuring out some person is crazy
21:10 schestowitz[TR]; based on the clothes and gait andf gestures
21:10 DaemonFC; The only situations where I've been in a car accident, a computer program couldn't have done any better.
21:11 DaemonFC; A computer program would have expected that guy who was drunk and ran the red light to stop.
21:11 schestowitz[TR]; there are many other issues
21:11 schestowitz[TR]; like, you cannot drive into a cliff
21:11 schestowitz[TR]; if you are sane, you will have strong implusive resistance to that
21:11 DaemonFC; A computer program that uses cameras wouldn't have seen a jogger behind trees while the car was coming down a steep hill and on gravel road.
21:11 schestowitz[TR]; a computer program doesn't value your life
21:11 DaemonFC; No, it doesn't.
21:12 DaemonFC; A computer might be told that these are the rules of the road.
21:12 phanes; neither do the people writing AI-based solutions
21:12 DaemonFC; But most humans disregard the rules.
21:12 schestowitz[TR]; it's like vertigo
21:12 DaemonFC; If they want to go drinking and then drive their car, they do.
21:12 schestowitz[TR]; even baby animals have vertigo
21:13 DaemonFC; Rules don't matter if they're ignored.
21:13 schestowitz[TR]; if you lack that, you won't pass on your egenes for long
21:13 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I volunteered on the Mayor of Fort Wayne, Indiana's campaign in 2015.
21:13 DaemonFC; A week ago, he got pulled over by the police and charged with DUI and endangering a human life while driving drunk.
21:13 DaemonFC; He's already pleaded guilty. We'll see what happens.
21:13 DaemonFC; Now I feel bad.
21:14 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2017/02/08/immunity-and-impunity-euipo/
21:14 TR Bot; Immunity of the Intellectual Property Office of the European Union Causes Outrage in Spanish Media | Techrights
21:14 schestowitz[TR]; if he worked as president of euipo or epo
21:14 DaemonFC; I put in effort so a guy who I now know is a drunk driver is the mayor of a major city.
21:14 DaemonFC; He'll get preferential treatment in court.
21:14 schestowitz[TR]; he would get away with drinking, driving, and crashing the car while drunk
21:14 phanes; heheh i should run for mayor of a small town out here
21:15 schestowitz[TR]; cambridge?
21:15 schestowitz[TR]; or maine something, not mass
21:15 phanes; huh? im in ohio
21:15 schestowitz[TR]; ah
21:15 DaemonFC; There's rules and there's rules.
21:15 DaemonFC; The cop probably wouldn't have pulled him over but after he rolled the window down and the stop was initiated...
21:15 schestowitz[TR]; if the peasants found out, they'd bbbe infuriated
21:16 DaemonFC; There would have been a major scandal if it didn't proceed.
21:16 DaemonFC; So they'll slap him on the wrist to say he was punished just like anyone who goes to court.
21:16 TR News; (NEW): Linux Kernel 6.1 RC1 Arrives with Initial Rust Support http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Linux_Kernel_6_1_RC1_Arrives_with_Initial_Rust_Support.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Linux_Kernel_6_1_RC1_Arrives_with_Initial_Rust_Support.gmi
21:16 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux Kernel 6.1 RC1 Arrives with Initial Rust Support
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: maybe he should have had a butler
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; and personal driver
21:16 DaemonFC; If it came out that the police pulled him over drunk and let him go, the City Council there would almost certainly impeach the mayor.
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; like the fallman dick allen jones
21:16 DaemonFC; They still might.
21:17 DaemonFC; It remains to be seen how badly this damages him in next year's election.
21:17 DaemonFC; Maybe if he gets it out of the way it won't be a major talking point or he can explain himself.
21:17 DaemonFC; He wins that city by being Catholic in a very Catholic city.
21:18 DaemonFC; What passes for large cities in the Midwest tend to have major Catholic populations.
21:18 DaemonFC; But in the rural areas, it's almost all Protestants.
21:19 DaemonFC; They don't like each other very much but there's a sort of dtente.
21:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:20 DaemonFC; It's sort of they tell each other's children "Those are horrible sinners and don't go anywhere near them, and they're not actually Christians." but there's not violence in the streets or anything.
21:20 DaemonFC; Many states still have anti-Catholic amendments in their Constitutions.
21:20 DaemonFC; But the Supreme Court is dismantling that.
21:21 DaemonFC; The day that the Protestant majorities feared is here.
21:21 DaemonFC; The Catholics are building schools and hospitals.
21:21 DaemonFC; They now control 1/7th of all hospital beds in the US.
21:22 DaemonFC; I told mom that I don't trust my medical care to a Catholic medical system.
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21:22 DaemonFC; How can you even call yourself a doctor and then refuse medical care based on superstitions that you know are false?
21:23 DaemonFC; You'd think that eight years of post-secondary education would be enough to dispel fucking Catholicism.
21:30 TR News; (UPDATED): Linux Fixes WLAN Flaw http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Linux_Fixes_WLAN_Flaw.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Linux_Fixes_WLAN_Flaw.gmi
21:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux Fixes WLAN Flaw
21:34 TR News; Admitting this is not a review but a bribe. Crystal Crowder has become a purveyor of misinformation for profit: "This is a sponsored article and was made possible by GiiKER." https://www.maketecheasier.com/review/giiker-super-blocks/
21:34 TR Bot; GiiKER Super Blocks Review - Make Tech Easier
21:36 TR News; (NEW): #HowTo Choose the Best Laptop to Install Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/How_to_Choose_the_Best_Laptop_to_Install_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/How_to_Choose_the_Best_Laptop_to_Install_Linux.gmi
21:36 TR Bot; Tux Machines How to Choose the Best Laptop to Install Linux
21:37 TR News; (NEW): 10 Free and Open Source Subtitle Editors for Linux in 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/10_Free_and_Open_Source_Subtitle_Editors_for_Linux_in_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/10_Free_and_Open_Source_Subtitle_Editors_for_Linux_in_2022.gmi
21:37 TR Bot; Tux Machines 10 Free and Open Source Subtitle Editors for Linux in 2022
21:37 TR News; Alien: Isolation Challenge Missions 1-3 | Live Stream Highlights - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IabtsATi90o | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/IabtsATi90o
21:37 TR Bot; Alien: Isolation Challenge Missions 1-3 | Live Stream Highlights - Invidious
21:38 TR News; I wrote an Entire Book with Free and Open-Source Software - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ecMKIHAVwKA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/ecMKIHAVwKA
21:38 TR Bot; I wrote an Entire Book with Free and Open-Source Software - Invidious
21:38 TR News; "In the forty-first episode of the WordPress Briefing, peek into the upcoming WordPress 6.1 release with our host, Josepha Haden Chomphosy, and the releases Editor Triage Lead, Nick Diego." https://wordpress.org/news/2022/10/episode-41-wordpress-6-1-sneak-peek-with-special-guest-nick-diego/
21:38 TR Bot; Episode 41: WordPress 6.1 Sneak Peek with Special Guest Nick Diego WordPress News
21:39 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Xubuntu 22.10 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5Ts2Z60O4xI
21:39 TR Bot; Xubuntu 22.10 overview | elegance and ease of use. - Invidious
21:41 starstreak; Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates making out: https://i.imgur.com/pVkDQ6B.jpg
21:42 TR News; Will Linux Survive After Linus Torvalds Dies? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eL7BqWDCd8Q | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/eL7BqWDCd8Q
21:42 TR Bot; Will Linux Survive After Linus Torvalds Dies? - Invidious
21:42 techuser; it will
21:42 techuser; but it is already rotting
21:43 techuser; it doesn't matter who manages its development
21:43 techuser; some corporations will take it
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21:44 starstreak; and they'll be all corporationy
21:44 TR News; "The article doesnt say how the hacking tool got installed into cars. Were there crooked auto mechanics, dealers, or something else?" Of course they don't say. Lousy 'reporting'... https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/10/hacking-automobile-keyless-entry-systems.html
21:44 TR Bot; Automobile Keyless Entry Systems - Schneier on Security
21:46 TR News; (NEW): Kdenlive 22.08.2 released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Kdenlive_22_08_2_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Kdenlive_22_08_2_released.gmi
21:46 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kdenlive 22.08.2 released
21:47 TR News; (NEW): Videos/Shows: Linus, Xubuntu, WordPress, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Videos_Shows_Linus_Xubuntu_WordPress_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Videos_Shows_Linus_Xubuntu_WordPress_and_More.gmi
21:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos/Shows: Linus, Xubuntu, WordPress, and More
21:51 TR News; Juno offering Linux-powered tablet PC The Register http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/13/Juno_Tablet_is_a_Linux_tablet_with_an_Intel_Jasper_Lake_process.shtml
21:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines Juno Tablet is a Linux tablet with an Intel Jasper Lake processor for $429 and up
21:52 TR News; Microsoft TCO - Medibank says access to some systems restored after breach https://itwire.com/security/medibank-says-access-to-some-systems-restored-after-breach.html "Medibank was initially hosted by Telstra, first on Linux and Apache, and later moved to Microsoft's Internet Information Server."
21:52 TR Bot; - Medibank says access to some systems restored after breach
21:56 TR News; GnuPG 2.3.8 released [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/911467/ Source: LWN | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/911467/
21:56 TR Bot; 2.3.8 released [LWN.net]
21:57 TR News; Some of the largest clients or customers of the EPO (yes, the EPO views itself and behaves like a for-profit corporation*) are publicly complaining http://techrights.org/2022/10/17/epo-in-trouble/
21:57 TR Bot; Even Patent Maximalists Across Europe Are Dissatisfied With the European Patent Offices Shameless Race to the Bottom (Illegal European Patents) | Techrights
21:57 TR News; Lowering the patent quality as much as Antnio Campinos does isnt just unprecedented but also illegal http://techrights.org/2022/10/17/epo-precedent/
21:57 TR Bot; [Meme] The F***ing Precedent | Techrights
21:58 TR News; Decision [by ILO] on internal appeals at the EPO is being utilised to overturn wrong decisions, overseen by unqualified and vengeful managers instead of proper processes http://techrights.org/2022/10/17/clock-at-iloat-is-ticking/
21:58 TR Bot; The ILOs Tribunal Decided That the Appeals Committee (ApC) at the European Patent Office (EPO) is Flawed and Staff Can Take Action | Techrights
22:02 TR News; Surveillance device. Cult of Steve Blows has managed to make body spying devices "cool" and "fashionable". https://itwire.com/mobility/analyst-says-attach-rate-for-apple-watch-highest-in-1h-2022.html
22:02 TR Bot; - Analyst says attach rate for Apple Watch highest in 1H 2022
22:03 TR News; Emulating Double Precision on the GPU to Render Large Worlds https://godotengine.org/article/emulating-double-precision-gpu-render-large-worlds
22:03 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Emulating Double Precision on the GPU to Render Large Worlds
22:03 TR News; (UPDATED): Windows 11 22H2 cant keep up with Linux 6.0 and Ubuntu 22.10 on AMD Ryzen 7950X (UPDATED) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/13/Windows_11_22H2_can_t_keep_up_with_Linux_6_0_and_Ubuntu_22_10_o.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/13/Windows_11_22H2_can_t_keep_up_with_Linux_6_0_and_Ubuntu_22_10_o.gmi
22:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines Windows 11 22H2 cant keep up with Linux 6.0 and Ubuntu 22.10 on AMD Ryzen 7950X (UPDATED)
22:06 TR News; Release Notes for Open 3D Engine 22.10.0 - Open 3D Engine https://www.o3de.org/docs/release-notes/22-10-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.o3de.org/docs/release-notes/22-10-0/
22:06 TR Bot; Release Notes for Open 3D Engine 22.10.0 - Open 3D Engine
22:07 TR News; GCC Compiler Patches Arrive For Intel Meteor Lake - Sierra Forest CPUs https://wccftech.com/gcc-compiler-patches-arrive-for-intel-meteor-lake-sierra-forest-cpus/ Source: WCCF Tech | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//wccftech.com/gcc-compiler-patches-arrive-for-intel-meteor-lake-sierra-forest-cpus/
22:07 TR Bot; GCC Compiler Patches Arrive For Intel Meteor Lake & Sierra Forest CPUs
22:08 TR News; "Elizabeth Mattijsen has published an introduction into the Raku Programming Language by means of the grep functionality, called Dont fear the grepper!" https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/10/17/2022-42-grep-no-fear/
22:08 TR Bot; 2022.42 Grep no Fear Rakudo Weekly News
22:09 TR News; "This month Ive done a lot of cleanup and bugfixing in wlroots, especially in the DRM backend, the Vulkan renderer and screencopy protocol implementation. There are still a few DRM backend bugs which need to be ironed out, but were getting there!" https://emersion.fr/blog/2022/status-update-46/
22:09 TR Bot; Status update, October 2022 emersion
22:10 TR News; VESA Releases DisplayPort 2.1 Specification - VESA - Interface Standards for The Display Industry https://vesa.org/featured-articles/vesa-releases-displayport-2-1-specification/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//vesa.org/featured-articles/vesa-releases-displayport-2-1-specification/
22:10 TR Bot; VESA Releases DisplayPort 2.1 Specification - VESA - Interface Standards for The Display Industry
22:10 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22100356
22:10 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/5khrx5vwpn951.jpg created on 2022-10-03 16:35:27.309832
22:11 TR News; libcamera v0.0.1 https://git.libcamera.org/libcamera/libcamera.git/tag/?h=v0.0.1
22:11 TR Bot; libcamera/libcamera.git - libcamera official repository
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:24 TR News; Dima Kogan: gnuplot output in an FLTK widget http://notes.secretsauce.net/notes/2022/10/17_gnuplot-output-in-an-fltk-widget.html
22:24 TR Bot; gnuplot output in an FLTK widget
22:25 TR News; Clown computing is a bubble and companies go out of business, looking to be salvaged by anyone gullible enough or ambitious enough https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/10/17/nutanix-for-sale-and-the-only-buyer-might-be-a-big-cloud/
22:25 TR Bot; Nutanix For Sale, And The Only Buyer Might Be A Big Cloud
22:27 TR News; Expensive hype https://containerjournal.com/features/kubecost-adds-saas-edition-to-control-kubernetes-costs/
22:27 TR Bot; Kubecost Adds SaaS Edition to Control Kubernetes Costs - Container Journal
22:28 TR News; Hype benefiting from buzzwords https://containerjournal.com/features/why-kubernetes-would-benefit-from-a-paas/
22:28 TR Bot; Why Kubernetes Would Benefit From a PaaS - Container Journal
22:30 TR News; Spam disguised as 'article' https://linuxsecurity.com/features/choosing-the-right-remote-access-solution-for-your-linux-environment see https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/16/Advertising_is_killing_Tech_Journalism.shtml
22:30 TR Bot; Choosing the Right Remote Access Solution for Your Linux Environmen...
22:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Advertising is killing Tech Journalism
22:30 TR News; blog.ipfire.org - Global PKI considered harmful: A plaidoyer for using DANE https://blog.ipfire.org/post/global-pki-considered-harmful-a-plaidoyer-for-using-dane Source: IPFire Official Blog | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.ipfire.org/post/global-pki-considered-harmful-a-plaidoyer-for-using-dane
22:31 TR Bot; - Global PKI considered harmful: A plaidoyer for using DANE
22:34 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi
22:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
22:38 TR News; If you are using 'kubectl', you are probably doing it wrong https://www.nethopper.io/post/youre-doing-it-wrong | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nethopper.io/post/youre-doing-it-wrong
22:38 TR Bot; If you are using 'kubectl', you are probably doing it wrong
22:40 TR News; define-er-syntax* gemini://idiomdrottning.org/define-er-syntax
22:40 TR News; (NEW): Games: Godot and Open 3D Engine http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Games_Godot_and_Open_3D_Engine.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Games_Godot_and_Open_3D_Engine.gmi
22:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Godot and Open 3D Engine
22:41 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/today_s_howtos.3.gmi
22:41 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
22:41 TR News; (NEW): Linux/Graphics: libcamera, Vesa, and DRM http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Linux_Graphics_libcamera_Vesa_and_DRM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Linux_Graphics_libcamera_Vesa_and_DRM.gmi
22:41 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux/Graphics: libcamera, Vesa, and DRM
22:41 TR News; (NEW): Clown Computing and Kubernetes http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Clown_Computing_and_Kubernetes.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Clown_Computing_and_Kubernetes.gmi
22:41 TR Bot; Tux Machines Clown Computing and Kubernetes
22:42 TR News; SAP 'validated' (marketing) by SAP. That's how it feels like SUSE shills SAP these days. Proprietary software pusher. https://www.suse.com/c/suse-rancher-rke-2-is-validated-with-sap-data-intelligence-3-3/
22:42 TR Bot; Rancher RKE 2 is validated with SAP Data Intelligence 3.3 | SUSE Communities
22:46 TR News; Links 17/10/2022: Kdenlive 22.08.2, Libcamera 0.0.1 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/17/libcamera-0-0-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/17/libcamera-0-0-1/
22:46 DaemonFC; Okay, I washed the car, topped off the tires, and cleaned the junk out.
22:46 TR Bot; Links 17/10/2022: Kdenlive 22.08.2, Libcamera 0.0.1 | Techrights
22:47 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Programming_Leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/17/Programming_Leftovers.2.gmi
22:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 37.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 206.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 92.73
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23:09 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22100319
23:09 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/ajzngxmndyq91.jpg created on 2022-10-03 06:32:12.685472
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23:15 DaemonFC; To get through the warranty period, you have to come by the dealership in your electric car once a year so they can battery throttle you and set it to lie and say it's doing fine in there.
23:15 DaemonFC; Then right after the 5 year warranty ends, one day your car won't start.
23:15 DaemonFC; $20,000 battery and they can't get it.
23:15 DaemonFC; But they have a fine new car over here and the financing will be great.
23:15 DaemonFC; Don't worry about the last one. They'll take it off your hands.
23:15 DaemonFC; You don't want that old thing anymore.
23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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23:31 techuser; hi
23:32 thelounge26; Hello, techuser
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