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00:00 schestowitz[TR]; alpine is stunningly simple
00:00 DaemonFC; The Republicans benefit from the Electoral College. There's about a 5 or 6% chance that they'll lost the national popular vote and become "elected" by party hacks.
00:00 techuser; can they suddenly announce end of support?
00:00 schestowitz[TR]; it's like a dozen processes
00:00 DaemonFC; *lose
00:00 schestowitz[TR]; and not even gnu
00:00 schestowitz[TR]; busybox and stuff
00:00 schestowitz[TR]; no manpages at all
00:00 highest_cubist_thrills; womanpages?
00:00 DaemonFC; There's no situation where that would help Democrats.
00:00 schestowitz[TR]; since we took online the new tuxmahcines zero downtime
00:00 starstreak; <schestowitz[TR]> techuser: britney ran windows 3.1 with this irc network
00:00 starstreak; <highest_cubist_thrills> shes a dork :)
00:00 techuser; like "very few users use these old clients, they can upgrade or gtfo"
00:00 starstreak; windows 3.11
00:00 schestowitz[TR]; literally zero
00:00 techuser; does it work with TLS btw?
00:01 techuser; ergo ircd by default disables non-TLS
00:01 DaemonFC; All of the states they do well in are blue states, landslide elections, and the Electoral College keeps them contained and marginalized.
00:01 DaemonFC; Which is how it functions.
00:01 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> <highest_cubist_thrills> shes a dork :) <- its not untrue
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: it took off at 11
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; but I thought 3.1 was already adpted by some
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.1x
00:01 TR Bot; Windows 3.1x - Wikipedia
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; ads
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; warning: wikipedia=ads
00:01 highest_cubist_thrills; what?
00:02 starstreak; Windows 3.11 was a bugfix release over 3.1
00:02 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
00:02 MinceR; personpages
00:02 highest_cubist_thrills; the fuck?
00:02 schestowitz[TR]; i think i had 3.1 on floppies
00:02 DaemonFC; The system we have now grants the most weighted political power to states that (a) have deeply unpopular policies (at a national level) and (b) not only don't pay for our system of government, but take in a third more than they pay.
00:02 schestowitz[TR]; my mom threw these away already
00:02 MinceR; together they form a personual.
00:02 schestowitz[TR]; that was early 90s
00:02 schestowitz[TR]; they came with new PCs
00:02 DaemonFC; "Hey, let's give all the power to a bunch of retards who are living on welfare." The modern Electoral College.
00:02 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> warning: wikipedia=ads <- ?
00:02 DaemonFC; "What's the worst that could happen?"
00:02 starstreak; i originally had windows 3.1 and then my dad upgraded it to windows for workgroups 3.11
00:03 DaemonFC; Oh, Trump, right.
00:03 highest_cubist_thrills; <- dos 3,3
00:03 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, yes im a dork :D
00:03 highest_cubist_thrills; then windows 3.0
00:03 highest_cubist_thrills; yes im a dork :D <- i know :)
00:03 schestowitz[TR]; msdos was not de facto standard yet
00:03 starstreak; my first dos was ms-dos 6.22
00:03 schestowitz[TR]; many ran other doses
00:03 highest_cubist_thrills; actually
00:03 highest_cubist_thrills; i think my first dos was ibm dos (3.3)
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; but thats just rebadged msdos
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; so
00:04 MinceR; 15 010251 < DaemonFC> "Hey, let's give all the power to a bunch of retards who are living on welfare." The modern Electoral College.
00:04 MinceR; every state ever?
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; "i use ibmdos btw"
00:04 TR News; HID: logitech-hidpp: Enable HID++ for all the Logitech Bluetooth devices https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/hid/hid.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=532223c8ac57605a10e46dc0ab23dcf01c9acb43
00:04 MinceR; (since representatives, etc. are paid by the state)
00:04 TR Bot; kernel/git/hid/hid.git - HID Group's fork of hid.git
00:04 schestowitz[TR]; i use usenet btw
00:04 highest_cubist_thrills; i use eniac btw
00:05 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], you still use usenet btw?
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; /me sets the waybac for the 1950s
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; omg, grace hopper! you invented basic sort of!
00:05 highest_cubist_thrills; "well, not exactly"
00:05 techuser; > Wikipedia=ads | Wikipedia is too big. Trust issues.
00:05 *starstreak_win311 (~ender.shepard@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights
00:06 techuser; hi
00:06 starstreak_win311; haiii
00:06 TR News; "Todays spaghetti comes from my new favorite brand of spaghetti feed, vkoverhead. Its a simple brand, but it really gets the job done when it comes to growing great spaghetti." https://www.supergoodcode.com/spaghetti-recipes/
00:06 TR Bot; Spaghetti Recipes Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.
00:06 highest_cubist_thrills; Wikipedia=ads <- i still dont know what hes on about
00:06 highest_cubist_thrills; ROFL
00:06 starstreak_win311; ssl doesn't work obviously
00:06 highest_cubist_thrills; are you on win3.1 right now?
00:06 starstreak_win311; yeah
00:06 starstreak_win311; 3.11
00:06 highest_cubist_thrills; rofl
00:06 techuser; cuddlybear66: > haiii | similar style?
00:06 starstreak_win311; XD
00:07 TR News; Open source machine learning for video compression https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2022/09/14/open-source-machine-learning-for-video-compression/ Source: Collabora | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2022/09/14/open-source-machine-learning-for-video-compression/
00:07 TR Bot; Open source machine learning for video compression
00:07 TR News; "the last piece of the puzzle" https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18564
00:07 TR Bot; Draft: mesa/st: add software-fallback for LATC (!18564) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
00:07 highest_cubist_thrills; /me starts up winnuke and nudges starstreak offline
00:08 starstreak_win311; winnuke was for 9x
00:08 techuser; TLS first
00:08 TR News; mesa/st: add software-fallback for S3TC (!18180) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18180 Source: Tor | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18180
00:08 TR Bot; mesa/st: add software-fallback for S3TC (!18180) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
00:08 techuser; then something else
00:08 techuser; then custom protocol
00:08 techuser; then deprecation of IRC
00:08 starstreak_win311; this OS is 30 years old
00:08 techuser; "no TLS is insecure"
00:08 highest_cubist_thrills; leave it to microsoft and theyll deprecates 1s and 0s
00:08 techuser; "we need to get rid of it"
00:09 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak_win311> this OS is 30 years ol <- omg its almost older than you
00:09 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: you panic too much over ircv3
00:09 highest_cubist_thrills; /me uses trs-80 btw
00:09 starstreak_win311; MS-DOS 6.22 is 1994 and Windows 3.x is 1993
00:09 schestowitz[TR]; and you didn't reply when I asked what you dislike about it
00:10 techuser; feature creep
00:10 highest_cubist_thrills; feature creep is a real problem
00:10 techuser; until they reach Matrix/Discord/whatever point
00:10 highest_cubist_thrills; im not entirely sure tls is though
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; tls should be optional though
00:11 techuser; then they may introduce breaking changes at some point
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; if roy thinks theres no threat of deprecating non-tls then he hasnt been paying attention
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; they did it to the web
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; they can do it to irc
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; im not sure we need to worry...
00:11 highest_cubist_thrills; but its not stupid to worry about this
00:11 techuser; they do it to IRC
00:11 techuser; ergo does
00:11 techuser; they disable non-TLS by default
00:12 techuser; and its manual discourages enabling it
00:12 highest_cubist_thrills; a manual encouraging security isnt so bad
00:12 highest_cubist_thrills; if youre worried about deprecating reliable protocols though
00:12 highest_cubist_thrills; you should understand how github fits into this
00:12 highest_cubist_thrills; and read the halloween documents
00:13 highest_cubist_thrills; they specifically talk about hijacking protocols
00:13 highest_cubist_thrills; like that hasnt already happened
00:13 highest_cubist_thrills; first they say theyre going to do it-- then they do it-- then everybody says they didnt do it and arent doing it
00:13 highest_cubist_thrills; thats what they do
00:14 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> they did it to the web
00:14 highest_cubist_thrills; they did
00:14 schestowitz[TR]; no, different situation
00:14 schestowitz[TR]; who is there?
00:14 schestowitz[TR]; irc has no w3c
00:14 highest_cubist_thrills; rofl
00:14 schestowitz[TR]; and on the web the decision are made by the client side
00:14 schestowitz[TR]; ie.e. chrom* and clones
00:14 schestowitz[TR]; plus Gulag Mozilla
00:14 schestowitz[TR]; they start blocking things
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; with IRC there are many clients
00:15 highest_cubist_thrills; /me pats roys head
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; and as long as most support NON-TLS, we are OK
00:15 highest_cubist_thrills; someday youll be a REAL BOY
00:15 schestowitz[TR]; if the back end server deprecates that, we choose another ircd
00:15 techuser; Libera.Chat enforces SASL for certain IP ranges
00:16 highest_cubist_thrills; all im saying is
00:16 highest_cubist_thrills; if techuser is too worried
00:16 highest_cubist_thrills; youre not worried enough
00:16 DaemonFC; <techuser> Libera.Chat enforces SASL for certain IP ranges
00:16 DaemonFC; VPNs.
00:16 *schestowitz[TR] read on
00:16 highest_cubist_thrills; <techuser> Libera.Chat enforces SASL <- yes, but theyre morons
00:16 schestowitz[TR]; the irc logs
00:16 DaemonFC; I haven't hit any on Mullvad yet.
00:16 MinceR; and the "open source" bros already moved to shitcord
00:16 DaemonFC; It was getting difficult with Libera and NordVPN.
00:16 techuser; but for most IRC users, I guess Libera.Chat is necessary
00:16 *schestowitz[TR] .. and saw highest_cubist_thrills has already beaten him to it
00:17 schestowitz[TR]; *had
00:17 *psydruid will sign the letter too ... the scarlet letter
00:17 techuser; and so the shit will be introduced in mainstream clients
00:17 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> and the "open source" bros already moved to shitcord <- good maybe theyll leave us alone before irc requires systemd :)
00:17 MinceR; why not the Bloodletter?
00:17 techuser; and other clients will get abandoned
00:17 schestowitz[TR]; the concern about ircv3 seems to be theoretical mostly at this point
00:17 MinceR; https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bloodletter
00:17 TR Bot; Bloodletter - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
00:17 DaemonFC; Even SeaMonkey supports IRCv3.
00:17 schestowitz[TR]; btw, tls in irc is not real security at all levels
00:17 DaemonFC; They worked a bunch of that in, in a point update to the Suite about a year ago.
00:18 schestowitz[TR]; the irc network can still spy and sell data
00:18 schestowitz[TR]; for some irc clients they added e2ee
00:18 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> btw, tls in irc is not real security at all levels
00:18 schestowitz[TR]; so you can send encoded messsages between users
00:18 schestowitz[TR]; I think not many irc clients support this
00:18 DaemonFC; No it's not, but it's better than Plaintext if you have a nibshit ISP.
00:18 schestowitz[TR]; with padlock and all
00:18 highest_cubist_thrills; <psydruid> ACTION will sign the letter too <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jZOywn1qArI
00:18 DaemonFC; Like most people now do.
00:18 TR Bot; Taken Phone Speech [HD] - Invidious
00:19 DaemonFC; People can log IRC channels, but the fewer things are in some centralized Comcast database, the better.
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00:19 schestowitz[TR]; wait, WHAT
00:19 schestowitz[TR]; comcast is trusted
00:19 schestowitz[TR]; according to CIA Mozilla
00:19 DaemonFC; If they see anything, it's a scrambled Wireguard connection.
00:19 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/
00:19 TR Bot; Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy | Techrights
00:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
00:20 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/10/mozilla-three-letter-agencies/
00:20 TR Bot; Mozilla Hired Top-Level Managers Directly From the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Can They Be Trusted on Privacy? | Techrights
00:20 DaemonFC; If they compromise your VPN, if you're using TLS, a lot of your traffic is logged by the VPN as encrypted form, so that part still may not be useful.
00:20 DaemonFC; The more ways they would have to get at some of your data another way, the better.
00:20 DaemonFC; Encryption is computationally cheap on modern systems.
00:20 schestowitz[TR]; sometimes too cheap
00:20 schestowitz[TR]; ask gulag
00:21 DaemonFC; Of course that's there to help facilitate DRM, like what mjg59_ is cheerleading.
00:21 schestowitz[TR]; they put nsa-backdoored cipher in linux
00:21 techuser; hi geert
00:21 DaemonFC; But you don't HAVE to use it that way.
00:21 DaemonFC; I use software without the DRM modules.
00:21 DaemonFC; I don't want it, and security is another concern. It's basically not much better than having Adobe Flash facing Web content.
00:22 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> the concern about ircv3 seems to be theoretical mostly at this point <- of course it is
00:22 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, librewolf does not wipe off emdrm
00:22 DaemonFC; If there's a vulnerability in Widevine, then most people are guaranteed to be vulnerable to it.
00:22 schestowitz[TR]; Firefox just called it "DRM" years ago
00:22 schestowitz[TR]; it is still called that in ESR
00:22 DaemonFC; SeaMonkey does not support EME or Widevine.
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00:22 geert; :)
00:22 DaemonFC; Neither does GNOME Web.
00:22 schestowitz[TR]; Debian: we ship DRM
00:22 schestowitz[TR]; soon binary blobs too
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00:22 schestowitz[TR]; firmware
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00:22 DaemonFC; So if you need a GAFAM-like rendering engine to fall back to, to pay your light bill, there's WebkitGTK sitting there anyway.
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; devuan already adds binary blobs to debian
00:23 DaemonFC; Even if you ONLY use it for things like that.
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; out with one blob, in with others
00:23 techuser; big shit fails
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; little shit can fail too
00:23 techuser; or more like, you are either unpopular, or are shit
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; i prefer little shit
00:23 schestowitz[TR]; today there was discussion about the rootkits for gamers
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; i use little shit btw
00:23 geert; what would you expect without monetary/economical serious addressing?
00:23 geert; you think fsf can prevail?
00:23 DaemonFC; WebkitGTK will be more interesting when they get around to adding WebExtensions and eventually WebRequest to it.
00:23 geert; or gno or something likewise, except for some exceptionally rare individual so to speak?
00:24 DaemonFC; If NoScript could be used in it, I'd be using it more.
00:24 schestowitz[TR]; AdmFubar> https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/13/23351900/ea-kernel-level-anti-cheat-system-fifa-23
00:24 TR Bot; EA announces kernel-level anti-cheat system for PC games - The Verge
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; little shit can fail-- big shit WILL fail
00:24 DaemonFC; mjg59_'s blog demands JavaScript.
00:24 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> Rootkits :/ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/ea-anticheat-could-spell-trouble-for-steam-deck-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
00:24 TR Bot; AntiCheat could spell trouble for Steam Deck / Linux | GamingOnLinux
00:24 DaemonFC; I'm not turning it on just to see that.
00:24 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: use RSS/Atom
00:24 geert; great reset wasnt about tackling monetary/economical shit, too, they even try to preserve the shit and try blame what they call 'dumb ignorant humans' saying that if they 'de-populate', shit would become 'maintainable' basically trying to protect errors that should be done with, so to speak
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; little shit is easier to fix
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; but if no one fixes it. its fucked
00:25 DaemonFC; I have some dozens of domains that I actually use all the time which would be painful to temporarily whitelist on permanent whitelist.
00:25 DaemonFC; But most Web domains are not permitted Active Content.
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf is both little shit and big shit
00:25 geert; errr s/gno/gnu/;
00:25 DaemonFC; There's no reason to give it to them if everything I want to use works and just looks a little bit funny.
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; the little shit isnt fixed, the big shit is fucked
00:26 geert; look lots of altruistic, anarchy stuff is very much overrated, this stuff cant cope monetary/economical effects not just not in long term, not even short term.
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs
00:26 TR Bot; Team America: World Police (10/10) Movie CLIP - Dicks, Pussies and Assholes (2004) HD - Invidious
00:26 TR News; Rust sycophants: RUST IS ABOUT SECURITY; Rust: errrrr, hold on, guys... https://blog.rust-lang.org/2022/09/14/cargo-cves.html
00:26 TR Bot; Security advisories for Cargo (CVE-2022-36113, CVE-2022-36114) | Rust Blog
00:26 geert; like 1+1=2, so to speak
00:26 MinceR; "ignurant"?
00:26 geert; MinceR aww did i get to misspell something again?
00:27 geert; well somebody with that brain i guess should utilize some bot/tool then.
00:27 MinceR; you said "ignorant", then "errr s/gno/gnu/;"
00:27 geert; 01:23 < geert> or gno or something likewise, except for some exceptionally rare individual so to speak?
00:27 TR News; Gearrice is a SPAM site that seems to contain "HEY HI"-generated garbage. Why does Gulag Noise (Google News) syndicate this trash? The sentences are not even coherent. Does a HUMAN check/audit the list?? https://www.gearrice.com/update/rust-is-one-of-the-favorite-languages-for-developers-but-it-needs-more-security-linux-foundation-will-take-care-of-it/
00:27 TR Bot; is one of the favorite languages for developers, but it needs more security. Linux Foundation will take care of it - Gearrice
00:28 TR News; "OTOY and UX3D are proud to unveil a new partnership integrating the UX3D glTF Scene Toolkit into the OTOY marketplace, bringing 100% native glTF support to the OTOY ecosystem." https://home.otoy.com/otoy-ux3d-gltf/
00:28 TR Bot; OTOY OTOY and UX3D strengthen the position of glTF
00:29 TR News; Arduino IDE 2.0 is now officially released - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/14/arduino-ide-2-0-released/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/14/arduino-ide-2-0-released/
00:29 TR Bot; Arduino IDE 2.0 is now officially released - CNX Software
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00:30 MinceR; https://apina.biz/185885.png?mode=sfw
00:30 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/185885.png
00:30 TR News; Terrible! 30W for THIS. https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/14/mini-itx-motherboard-combines-amd-ryzen-embedded-r2314-soc-with-two-inferx-x1-ai-accelerators/
00:30 TR Bot; Mini-ITX motherboard combines AMD Ryzen Embedded R2314 SoC with two InferX X1 AI accelerators - CNX Software
00:34 TR News; (UPDATED): Crystal Linux: Emerging Arch Linux Spin for GNOME Fans (UPDATEDx2) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Crystal_Linux_Emerging_Arch_Linux_Spin_for_GNOME_Fans.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Crystal_Linux_Emerging_Arch_Linux_Spin_for_GNOME_Fans.gmi
00:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Crystal Linux: Emerging Arch Linux Spin for GNOME Fans (UPDATEDx2)
00:35 MinceR; gnome fans need to respin gnome os to cater to gnome?
00:35 MinceR; sounds like the gnome os people are pretty shitty at their jobs
00:35 DaemonFC; These overalls came out looking very good.
00:35 highest_cubist_thrills; their only job is destroying free software
00:35 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre doing just fine
00:35 DaemonFC; I dyed them three times. That was pretty time consuming.
00:36 MinceR; so what's "crystal linux" for then?
00:36 TR News; Energy prices going up is good for GNU/Linux. Not really good for anything else, but recycling, efficient systems etc. benefit GNU/Linux and lower new "sales" (or licensing) of Windows. That can help reduce pollution, too.
00:36 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: an itch
00:36 schestowitz[TR]; arch based
00:36 starstreak; i use arch btw
00:36 MinceR; arch did well enough at destroying free software already
00:36 highest_cubist_thrills; theres no accounting for taste
00:36 schestowitz; I'd like to see Gnome applications written in .NET in version 4.0 - no, version 3.0. But Gnome 4.0 should be based on .NET."
00:36 schestowitz; http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/01/gnome_to_be_based/
00:36 TR Bot; Gnome to be based on .NET de Icaza The Register
00:37 MinceR; and i thought they thought diversity was bad?
00:37 highest_cubist_thrills; arch did well enough at destroying free software already <- i dont follow, i thought they only destroyed arch
00:37 highest_cubist_thrills; (really)
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; ARJ Linux
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; uses arj for image (.img)compression
00:38 highest_cubist_thrills; "But Gnome 4.0 should be based on .NET." <- how old is that quote
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; "k/2002/02/01"
00:38 highest_cubist_thrills; oh good
00:38 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean i can nuke the last bits of gtk if i have to
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; redmond burning a bit
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; de icaza "left"
00:39 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont run a lot of gtk now and i would run none if i pulled .net in
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; we are pursing material through a legal process
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; might explain what goes on behind the scenes in shithub
00:39 highest_cubist_thrills; redmond burning a bit <- along with 90% of free software, get your fiddle ready
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; the site where mjg59_ , hamasman, bully de blanc and other deplorable try to casncel github critics
00:40 schestowitz[TR]; *pursuing
00:40 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: gitlab has conversion tools
00:40 schestowitz[TR]; now that it's the right exit strategy
00:40 highest_cubist_thrills; not
00:40 schestowitz[TR]; but projkects can migrate away from shithub
00:40 schestowitz[TR]; there are some tools
00:40 highest_cubist_thrills; gitblob
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; gitCommunity Edition
00:41 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean better gitblob than github
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; hosted, by default, by a third party
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; gitlab.com
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00:41 schestowitz[TR]; making no profits
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; but planning to cash in
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; maybe will sell out to oracle or something
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00:41 schestowitz[TR]; after bailout biden gives the funds
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; not likely
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; after bailout biden found out Larrison is a vocal Trump supporter
00:42 highest_cubist_thrills; /me thinks biden is secretly in love with trump but no one will ever realise it
00:42 schestowitz[TR]; naaa
00:42 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt matter, theyre both fake as hell
00:42 schestowitz[TR]; both wearing makeup
00:44 TR News; FOSSlife Team = megaphone of 'Linux' Foundation (yes, staff overlaps exist!) https://www.fosslife.org/openssf-releases-new-guides-developing-secure-open-source-software
00:44 TR Bot; OpenSSF Releases New Guides for Developing Secure Open Source Software
00:44 highest_cubist_thrills; trump couldnt have gotten in without hillary and biden couldnt have gotten in without trump
00:44 highest_cubist_thrills; so theyre all worthless
00:44 highest_cubist_thrills; youd be better off picking someone random off the street
00:45 highest_cubist_thrills; which is nearly how the royal family works, except they cant do shit anyway
00:45 TR News; They make it sound like security is only a problem when it comes to Free software; meanwhile, proprietary software puts back doors in the binaries (for states) https://www.csoonline.com/article/3673089/8-notable-open-source-security-initiatives-of-2022.html Source: CSO | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.csoonline.com/article/3673089/8-notable-open-source-security-initiatives-of-2022.
00:45 TR Bot; 8 notable open-source security initiatives of 2022 | CSO Online
00:45 highest_cubist_thrills; granted random is the wrong word
00:46 highest_cubist_thrills; but in terms of qualifications, id say "born to _____"
00:46 highest_cubist_thrills; is pretty random
00:46 MinceR; born to be wild?
00:46 TR News; Microsoft GitHub CSO = NSA veteran. Mozilla CSO = CIA. http://techrights.org/2022/09/10/mozilla-three-letter-agencies/
00:46 TR Bot; Mozilla Hired Top-Level Managers Directly From the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Can They Be Trusted on Privacy? | Techrights
00:46 highest_cubist_thrills; fire all of your guns at once and explode into space
00:48 TR News; Trust Mozilla like you trust cops
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00:49 TR News; ICBM on GNU https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/linkers-warnings-about-executable-stacks-and-segments
00:49 TR Bot; The linkers warnings about executable stacks and segments
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00:50 TR News; ICBM. SPONSORED BY MICROSOFT! https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/ansiblefest-2022-speakers-and-sponsors See https://events.experiences.redhat.com/widget/redhat/rhaf22/sponsorlisting?intcmp=7013a00000387q7AAA.com
00:50 TR Bot; AnsibleFest 2022: Keynotes, speakers and sponsors
00:50 TR Bot; NO TITLE
00:51 highest_cubist_thrills; /me is curious what arch did to any project other than arch
00:51 highest_cubist_thrills; this isnt sarcasm, i havent used arch in like a decade or more
00:51 MinceR; they promoted cancerd
00:51 highest_cubist_thrills; well yeah
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; hell yeah
00:51 highest_cubist_thrills; but how this makes arch special, or really affetcts anything else..
00:51 MinceR; it's short bus special
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: it got cancered
00:52 highest_cubist_thrills; cancerd culture?
00:52 geert; delving into pessism instead of tryna ++
00:52 MinceR; https://hugelolcdn.com/i/570057.jpg
00:52 geert; like old inflexible outdate hacksters
00:52 geert; outdated*
00:52 highest_cubist_thrills; cancel stallman: sign our petty-tion
00:52 schestowitz[TR]; systemd-githubpettionD
00:52 highest_cubist_thrills; cancel your distro: mandate this init
00:52 MinceR; apparently "flexibility" is "copy windows and worship it as the new best thing ever"
00:53 MinceR; whoda thunk
00:53 highest_cubist_thrills; flexibility is when you go try to fucking boot and you end up fucked by a boot
00:53 highest_cubist_thrills; now thats flexibility!
00:53 geert; yea theres lots of undesirable developments but its not without any cause at all so plz try turn experience in such way around cause that possibility isnt killed over experienced difficulties
00:53 geert; c'mon sometimes the complaining is like kindergarten
00:53 geert; i know theres lot undesirable shit going on currently yes
00:54 TR News; Silicon Labs FG25 Arm Cortex-M33 SoC targets Wi-SUN FAN networks - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/14/silicon-labs-fg25-arm-cortex-m33-soc-wi-sun-fan-networks/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/14/silicon-labs-fg25-arm-cortex-m33-soc-wi-sun-fan-networks/
00:54 TR Bot; Silicon Labs FG25 Arm Cortex-M33 SoC targets Wi-SUN FAN networks - CNX Software
00:54 geert; also in regard to gnu, theres some gnu around that really get like altruistic battle strive in peculiar interesting and potentially very constructive manner
00:54 highest_cubist_thrills; but i still think an init (and for that matter, booting) was optional in arch
00:54 MinceR; ok, who brought a megahal bot in here
00:54 highest_cubist_thrills; thats just herr doktor
00:54 geert; oof, you tool seem to malfunction
00:55 geert; like: bug
00:55 geert; something old inflexible i guess
00:55 TR News; Sean Michael Kerner uses the surveillance industry's euphemism, "BIG DAYTUH!" https://venturebeat.com/ai/what-are-data-scientists-biggest-concerns-the-2022-state-of-data-science-report-has-the-answers/
00:55 TR Bot; are data scientists' biggest concerns? The 2022 State of Data Science report has the answers | VentureBeat
00:55 psydruid; general cancerd of the arch republic of gates and windows
00:55 geert; ;p
00:55 highest_cubist_thrills; special military init
00:55 geert; oof the mil isnt so healthy currently plz dont try add more upon that
00:55 TR News; Sean Michael Kerner used "HEY HI" FOUR times in the tags of this post https://venturebeat.com/ai/zendesk-integrates-ai-with-intelligent-triage-to-speed-up-cx-responses/
↺ https://venturebeat.com/ai/zendesk-integrates-ai-with-intelligent-triage-to-speed-up-cx-responses/
00:55 TR Bot; integrates AI with intelligent triage to speed up CX responses | VentureBeat
00:55 geert; if it explode with those buttons and means we all kinda fucked so to speak
00:56 geert; the mil got compromised, by goons, so much that generals dont really got strings
00:56 TR News; "HEY HI" (AI) [n.]: something computer.
00:56 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd attacksurfaced
00:56 geert; anyways, things things, please ring some sysbell here if need be
00:56 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> systemd-githubpettionD <- this is good
00:57 highest_cubist_thrills; they REALLY hate it when you capitalise a letter as if they do that (which they dont)
00:57 MinceR; :>
00:57 TR News; "Previously we started the redesign of the request workflow as part of the beta program. We received a lot of feedback from you and still have a lot on our TODO list. This time we focused our attention on the support of multi-action submit requests and on creating more clarity" https://openbuildservice.org/2022/09/14/request-workflow-redesign-round-two//
00:57 TR Bot; Request Page Redesign - Round Two - Open Build Service
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; rejection of systemd is a hate crime
00:58 highest_cubist_thrills; plaintiff is linux foundationD
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; frauds
00:58 highest_cubist_thrills; plaintiff is deprecated, please use tiff v3
00:59 highest_cubist_thrills; (github)
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; btw
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; not p-c, but
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 150.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 143.60
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; ok for IRC
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; LF paid like ha f a million a year to its CFO
00:59 highest_cubist_thrills; /me gets out the irc lube
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; when he died
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; they raised money for his kids' college
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; the kids are very young
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; and he was a millionaire already
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; guess where they raised money..
00:59 highest_cubist_thrills; AFD!
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; .MICROSOFT GITHUB
00:59 highest_cubist_thrills; ha
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft as a bank
01:00 schestowitz[TR]; that shows how LF thinks
01:00 highest_cubist_thrills; i have to strain to see how even that is a scandal, but im probably jaded
01:00 schestowitz[TR]; to them, milliionaire are poor
01:00 schestowitz[TR]; "he only has one milliion"
01:00 highest_cubist_thrills; if marcia wilbur draws me a picture that usually makes it very clear
01:00 schestowitz[TR]; "poor guy"
01:00 schestowitz[TR]; zemlin is already past the 10
01:00 psydruid; Debian-suicideD is enDorsed by the linux founDation
01:00 highest_cubist_thrills; debian = spi = sfc
01:01 highest_cubist_thrills; = lf = microsoft = bill epstein
01:01 schestowitz[TR]; oftc
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01:01 schestowitz[TR]; bill zemlin
01:01 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/jim-admires-bill/
01:01 TR Bot; Sheela Microsoft (Zemlin) Does Not Like Linux and Jim Zemlin Idolises Bill Gates | Techrights
01:01 highest_cubist_thrills; admires = adores = LURVES
01:01 psydruid; is VMware going to drop from the LF member list soon?
01:02 highest_cubist_thrills; "LOVE ME!!!!!"
01:02 highest_cubist_thrills; "YOURE SUPPOSED TO LOVE ME!!!!!"
01:02 psydruid; when it gets dismembered
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; will thewy realse the offending code?
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; can zemlin read it?
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; is the code in japenese?
01:02 highest_cubist_thrills; he can if its in a pdf made with a mac
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; *japanese
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> admires = adores = LURVES
01:03 highest_cubist_thrills; "im doing linux!"
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> Jim Zemlin: my daughter is "adorable". I also revere Jeffrey Epstein's enabler, Bill Gates.
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; his kid would be at the right age now
01:03 psydruid; zemlin does linux
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; just the right age for epstein and billG
01:03 psydruid; Sheela does fraud
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; before they lost interest
01:03 highest_cubist_thrills; at least we got to the politically incorrect part
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; debbie does dallas
01:04 highest_cubist_thrills; icaza?
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; icaza does miguel
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; san miguel
01:04 highest_cubist_thrills; she just did the fsf
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; brb
01:05 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QszYETF7pSI
01:05 TR Bot; Do the Dew Commercial circa 2000 - Invidious
01:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], mjg59_'s blog says it needs JavaScript for "security". Clownflare.
01:06 DaemonFC; JavaScript is like 90% of all attack surface on a Web browser.
01:06 DaemonFC; Including like 99% of the really bad vulnerabilities.
01:07 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7v2GDbEmjGE
01:07 TR Bot; The Police - De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da - Invidious
01:07 psydruid; he endorses the new microsoft surface attack with an enlarged attack surface
01:08 highest_cubist_thrills; enlarged attack surface <- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/prolapse
01:09 schestowitz[TR]; JavaScript used to be leveraged for good
01:09 schestowitz[TR]; like 20 years ago
01:09 schestowitz[TR]; like menus and stuff before css evolved
01:09 highest_cubist_thrills; idk
01:10 highest_cubist_thrills; it was always a bad idea
01:10 schestowitz[TR]; so dropdown menus could not be done in all browsers with css
01:10 schestowitz[TR]; now JavaScript has no net benefit
01:10 schestowitz[TR]; only risks
01:12 highest_cubist_thrills; they should make a browser that does gemtext over http and doesnt give a shit about html at all
01:12 highest_cubist_thrills; or css or js
01:12 highest_cubist_thrills; just to stick their finger up at the w3c
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; that exists
01:12 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think it does
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; indirectly
01:12 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah, like it doesnt exist
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; proxies
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; and newswaffle
01:13 highest_cubist_thrills; those use html
01:13 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean a browser that really only parses gemtext
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; you can use kristall
01:13 highest_cubist_thrills; nope
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; it does http and https
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; also gopher
01:13 highest_cubist_thrills; no kde
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; only qt
01:14 psydruid; as in serving gemtext over http and rendering it as a web page all the same
01:14 psydruid; that would be quite a coup
01:14 starstreak; i use lagrange btw
01:14 highest_cubist_thrills; i think its too unorthodox or id do it myself
01:14 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont want to be that guy
01:15 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> i use lagrange btw <- lol
01:15 TR News; "Digital transformation" = ICBM vocabulary for MORE VENDOR LOCK-IN (through complexity people cannot support, hence outsourcing) https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/digital-transformation-minimize-friction
01:15 TR Bot; Digital transformation: 3 tips to minimize friction | The Enterprisers Project
01:15 TR News; What I Learned About E-Bikes From Working Delivery in NYC https://tedium.co/2022/09/14/e-bike-delivery-trend-nyc Source: Tedium | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/09/14/e-bike-delivery-trend-nyc
↺ gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/09/14/e-bike-delivery-trend-nyc
01:15 TR Bot; What I Learned About E-Bikes From Working Delivery in NYC
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; <schestowitz[TR]> only qt
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; there is also a flatpak
01:16 highest_cubist_thrills; it burns
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; I am guessing those might contain qt already
01:16 highest_cubist_thrills; it burns
01:17 schestowitz[TR]; or appimage
01:17 highest_cubist_thrills; hehe
01:17 schestowitz[TR]; the latter I think
01:17 starstreak; i tried kristall and didn't like the look of it
01:17 schestowitz[TR]; flatpak is worse bbbloat than appimage
01:17 highest_cubist_thrills; yes flatpak must die
01:17 schestowitz[TR]; i need to restart barrier
01:17 highest_cubist_thrills; preferably in terrible pain
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01:19 schestowitz[TR]; they can put it ina cofffin
01:19 schestowitz[TR]; flat-packed
01:19 schestowitz[TR]; and the same for putin
01:19 schestowitz[TR]; in a poo-tin
01:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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01:20 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9l9gs_HFo_E
01:20 TR Bot; Puttin' on the Ritz - Irving Berlin 8bit Jazz Version - Invidious
01:20 DaemonFC; 2002: "Box of 'food' says 'cheeze'". Me: "Huh, this must be some fake crap they sell to poor people because cheese is too expensive. Also, they should get a job." 2022: "Box of 'food' says 'cheeze'" Me: "Huh, Bill Gates must be invested in this and trying to sell lab garbage to vegans at twice the cost of cheese. And the people who still have a job are being paid badly during hyperinflation because of Biden."
01:21 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D354.jpg
01:21 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D702.jpg
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01:23 schestowitz[TR]; bill loves choose
01:23 schestowitz[TR]; *cheese
01:24 schestowitz[TR]; bill and melinda have cheese too
01:24 schestowitz[TR]; and they teach them about sex at age 5
01:24 schestowitz[TR]; perfectly normal!
01:24 schestowitz[TR]; ask Duck Allen Jones
01:25 schestowitz[TR]; *Dick
01:25 schestowitz[TR]; is he safe around the home?
01:25 schestowitz[TR]; give him some digital cheese so he can get 'disarmed'
01:25 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Child porn has to be reported to the police immediately if you try to print it, but Rick Jones printed children in swimming clothes to get around that.
01:25 DaemonFC; It basically let him continue to ogle them far longer than he could have otherwise.
01:25 DaemonFC; Nobody even notices if you quickly take a picture.
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/06/20/young-boys-and-the-express-stop-envelope/
01:26 TR Bot; Bill and Melinda Gates Employee Took Photos of Young Boys at the Beach | Techrights
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/08/21/zoophilia-gates-estate/
01:26 TR Bot; Melinda and Zoophilia Found in Tandem in the Illegal Pornographic Stash of Bill Gates Engineer | Techrights
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/weird-melinda-gates-tweet/
01:26 TR Bot; The Timing of This Melinda Gates Tweet Was Always Curious | Techrights
01:26 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mXnJqYwebF8
01:26 TR Bot; Doja Cat - "Mooo!" (Official Video) - Invidious
01:27 TR News; All Acrylic Pi Cases On The Gweike Cloud - Can It Compete With The Glowforge? - The DIY Life https://www.the-diy-life.com/all-acrylic-pi-cases-on-the-gweike-cloud-can-it-compete-with-the-glowforge/ Source: The DIY Life | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.the-diy-life.com/all-acrylic-pi-cases-on-the-gweike-cloud-can-it-compete-with-the-glowforge/
01:27 TR Bot; All Acrylic Pi Cases On The Gweike Cloud - Can It Compete With The Glowforge? - The DIY Life
01:28 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Well, we all know what to say when someone stares.
01:28 schestowitz[TR]; cancel him
01:28 schestowitz[TR]; he stared
01:28 DaemonFC; Sarcastically. "Take a picture, it'll last longer."
01:28 DaemonFC; That's what perverts can do now because everyone has a phone.
01:28 DaemonFC; It looks like they're fiddling around on their phone.
01:28 schestowitz[TR]; they can mentally strip then later
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; I read there are now "apps" for that
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; one was on shithub
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft removed it
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; because... it CAN be used... for something
01:29 DaemonFC; Deep fake porn generators?
01:29 DaemonFC; Yeah.
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; Free software
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; canceored by Microsoft
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; mayebe curlm is next
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; curl can be used to download illegal material youm know
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; wget also
01:30 highest_cubist_thrills; curl <- github
01:30 DaemonFC; So can Edge, but it reports you to the State's Attorney at the same time. B-)
01:30 highest_cubist_thrills; wget <- github
01:30 highest_cubist_thrills; but less than curl
01:30 DaemonFC; Then Detective Ian comes to see you.
01:31 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I can't believe Rick Jones not only talked to the police, but admitted it like, openly.
01:31 TR News; Proprietary snake-oil? https://containerjournal.com/features/sysdig-simplifies-container-security-remediation/
01:31 TR Bot; Sysdig Simplifies Container Security Remediation - Container Journal
01:32 DaemonFC; it doesn't matter why they're investigating you, if you did it, or what they have.
01:32 DaemonFC; The correct response is "I'm not taking any questions. You can speak to my attorney at a later date. Am I free to go now?"
01:32 TR News; Self-promotional spam disguised as reporting https://containerjournal.com/features/containing-container-security-threats/
01:32 TR Bot; Containing Container Security Threats - Container Journal
01:33 mjg59_; DaemonFC: My blog is no longer behind Cloudflare, thankfully
01:33 geert; well thatsnot always the correct response, if they on the other side dont keep the rules in rather terrorist manner, sometimes correct responses are wholly different
01:33 geert; that you might not get to realize about it, dont change a silly bit of the fact
01:33 geert; so plz try be more wary providing advise
01:33 TR News; LOL, Qubes uses Microsoft/NSA shithub to boast about security. That's like going to a brothel to brag about virginity. https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2022/09/14/canary-032/
01:33 TR Bot; Qubes Canary 032 | Qubes OS
01:34 TR News; The best known person in Qubes, whom many people trusted, left Qubes years ago. Now it's just a brand. They still use "Snowden" like a mascot or outdated "endorsement".
01:36 TR News; WWW 1990s: a place where journalism... WWW 2000s: comes... WWW 2010-present: ...to DIE.
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; starstreak: what happened to phanes anyway, did he get banned, bored or just busy
01:37 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, he kinda just disappeared
01:37 starstreak; changed names a few times and then hasn't come back
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; that doesnt make any sense
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; hes not shy
01:38 starstreak; it didnt make sense when you disappeared
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; /me shrugs
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; oh that made plenty of sense
01:38 starstreak; to you lol
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; you just didnt know the reason
01:38 starstreak; we don't know his reason
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; and i havent explained it
01:38 TR News; "The pandemic also taught me that meeting people in person regularly is important as well." No, IME, it's just risky, wasteful, and not beneficial. I work from home 100% of the time. Wife does too. Worst scenario: having to meet colleagues or clients. https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/working-hybrid/
01:38 TR Bot; Working Hybrid | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; yes thats very true
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; but i have a theory that hes just random
01:39 TR News; "Many people including me are (a lot) more efficient when working from home. That is where work can be done. In the office it is a lot less efficient." https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/working-hybrid/
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; its called double standard theory
01:39 starstreak; phanes is a freemason and he didn't seem to like me much
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; and its better than single standard theory because 2 > 1
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; plus, its standard...
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; how could anyone not like you?
01:40 starstreak; the reptilian stuff he had problems with
01:40 highest_cubist_thrills; oh that
01:40 highest_cubist_thrills; i believe he found that hilarious
01:40 TR News; EasyOS has "FOLDERS"?? "EasyOS has 'dir2sfs', that will convert a folder to a SFS file." https://bkhome.org/news/202209/easy-creation-of-sfs-from-deb-packages-with-deb2sfs.html
01:40 TR Bot; Easy creation of SFS from DEB packages with deb2sfs
01:40 starstreak; probably lol
01:41 starstreak; but hes a freemason, he has to be religious so its a case of the kettle calling the pot black
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe idk
01:41 starstreak; they don't let in atheists
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; nope
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; im agnostic so i dont think even i qualify
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; though im pretty sympathetic to theism
01:42 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: My blog is no longer behind Cloudflare, thankfully
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; but thats not how it works-- you have to believe in a higher power
01:42 DaemonFC; So what is it that demands JavaShit now?
01:42 starstreak; i believe in the simulation, thats the higher power
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; that might count
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; but then again
01:42 starstreak; God was just some programmer
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; being anti-freemason PROBABLY disqualifies you from becoming one
01:43 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I'd probably be arrested in the UK for saying something not nice.
01:43 starstreak; im not anti freemason
01:43 geert; i think many of you waste discussion by pushing statements while actually wanting to ask questions
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; no?
01:43 DaemonFC; Fascists can be very polite, you know.
01:43 geert; but i guess elitist think asking questions more directly feel like vulnerability
01:43 DaemonFC; Politeness doesn't mean you're a good person.
01:43 geert; because to contrary of statements, question suggest you DONT know something
01:43 geert; kekeke
01:43 geert; boy oh boy this inflexible old hackertwats
01:43 starstreak; i've actually been invited to join the freemasons and i might have if i didnt have to drive there
01:43 geert; please dont mix it with phishing kk
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; heh
01:44 DaemonFC; I saw them arresting some woman in London for saying something about immigrants going back to their own country.
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; i didnt have to drive, i used to live around the corner from a fucking giant lodge
01:44 DaemonFC; Here you don't get arrested for that. Just tell the lady to go fuck herself and put your headphones in.
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; huge fucking stone thing
01:44 starstreak; when i worked at canada computers, i had a really good customer who was also a freemason
01:44 TR News; OMG! omgubuntu turned the site black for the racist (anti-black) monarchy https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/
01:44 TR Bot; OMG! Ubuntu! - Ubuntu Linux News, Apps and Reviews
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; it looks like something from the first ghostbusters movie
01:44 DaemonFC; I like not having to be polite.
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; you worked at canada computers?
01:45 DaemonFC; Hate speech laws are fucking bullshit.
01:45 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, yeah how do you know about them?
01:45 DaemonFC; They don't change what people think. They just create political prisoners.
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont, im just going by the name
01:45 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, oh lol
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; did they sell, repair, what?
01:45 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, they sell computers, computer parts and i was a technician that repaired computers
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; thats fucking awesome
01:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Cooking oil went way up again.
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; i honestly thought you were in a professional capacity only about legal stuff
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; i didnt know you had a computer job
01:46 starstreak; legal stuff is new
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; very cool
01:46 starstreak; i worked in IT for 15 years
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; fucking awesome
01:46 starstreak; my favourite job was help desk
01:47 highest_cubist_thrills; "im not a window cleaner!"
01:47 TR News; Murdoch tabloid running anti-Linux ads/spam https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/why-its-worth-investing-in-linuxs-successor/
01:47 TR Bot; Why its worth investing in Linuxs successor
01:47 starstreak; what kind of lawyer runs arch linux lol
01:47 highest_cubist_thrills; the crazy kind
01:48 starstreak; i am crazy
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; mmhmm :)
01:48 starstreak; honestly tho i'd be running my macbook if the screen still worked
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; i had a few macs
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; i didnt buy them
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; i played with them a little bit then got rid of them
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; i had one mac os tiger...
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; with
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; with python 2. um... negative 3 i think
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; a version of python 2 so old they havent made it yet
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; history goes in circles and they have to wait for it to come back around
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; it didnt even have quit()
01:51 TR News; It's malware, not a "backdoor"; unlike Windows, here one needs to actually install it. https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/14/SparklingGoblin_APT_Hackers_Using_New_Linux_Variant_of_SideWalk.shtml
01:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines SparklingGoblin APT Hackers Using New Linux Variant of SideWalk Backdoor
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; you had to import exit and rename it?
01:52 starstreak; i got my macbook in early 2014 and ran it till 2020 when the internal screen stopped working. i've been running a dell latitude E6540 since
01:52 highest_cubist_thrills; literally your grandmothers python
01:52 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt have an external port, or you dont have a dvi adapter?
01:53 starstreak; it has external hdmi
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; ok
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; you should put arch on it :)
01:53 starstreak; using the mac doesn't fit my workflow
01:53 starstreak; lol!
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; actually no, that has systemd
01:54 starstreak; the whole point of using it is to get macOS
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; um
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; mac os is overrated
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; you should put freebsd on it
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; yes
01:54 starstreak; im not gonna replace macOS with anything
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; perhaps not
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; but you should regardless
01:55 starstreak; if i would put freebsd on anything it would be this dell
01:55 TR News; "For many years it has been standard practice to test that you get the memory you ask for, but it has all be a huge waste of time. Operating systems get in on the act before you have a chance to do anything about it." https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15722-linux-and-android-waste-coding-effort.html
01:55 TR Bot; Linux And Android Waste Coding Effort
01:55 starstreak; i would have to say goodbye to steam proton on freebsd
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; if you put it on the dell it might end up on the mac as well
01:55 starstreak; but i dont really play games on my laptop anyway
01:56 starstreak; i play games on my xbox so steam proton really isnt a big deal breaker
01:56 TR News; SJVN: "Linux software and Mac hardware are a match made in heaven." Hahahaha. https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-talks-rust-on-linux-his-work-schedule-and-life-with-his-m2-macbook-air/
01:56 TR Bot; Torvalds talks Rust on Linux, his work schedule, and life with his M2 MacBook Air | ZDNET
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; you should put freebsd on the mac
01:56 starstreak; lol
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; then move mac os to the xbox
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; mac os on an xbox would be pretty hilarious
01:57 highest_cubist_thrills; DONG!
01:57 highest_cubist_thrills; ^ mac noise
01:57 highest_cubist_thrills; halo would look basically the same, but now the armour would be shinier and come in nicer colours
01:58 starstreak; haha
01:58 highest_cubist_thrills; also when you clicked on the puma the dvd would come out
01:58 starstreak; i'd consider doing hackintosh on my dell
01:58 TR News; $60 DIY Raspberry Pi NAS Kit Offers SATA, Impressive Cooling | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-nas-case-makes-pi-a-desktop Source: Tom's Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-nas-case-makes-pi-a-desktop
01:58 TR Bot; $60 DIY Raspberry Pi NAS Kit Offers SATA, Impressive Cooling | Tom's Hardware
01:59 TR News; Raspberry Pi Pico Runs on Steam-Powered Engine | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-pico-runs-on-steam-engine Source: Tom's Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-pico-runs-on-steam-engine
01:59 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi Pico Runs on Steam-Powered Engine | Tom's Hardware
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 147.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 146.31
01:59 TR News; How To Use Picamera2 to Take Photos With Raspberry Pi | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-picamera2-take-photos-with-raspberry-pi Source: Tom's Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-picamera2-take-photos-with-raspberry-pi
01:59 TR Bot; How To Use Picamera2 to Take Photos With Raspberry Pi | Tom's Hardware
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; /me tries to put openbsd on your xbox
02:00 starstreak; leave my xbox alone
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; its a bluff, ive never installed anything that requires a fucking jumper wire
02:00 starstreak; how am i supposed to play GTA Online if you replace the OS
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; with an xbox emulator
02:01 starstreak; >:/
02:01 starstreak; i don't think that works
02:01 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure it doesnt, and if it does it really shouldnt
02:02 TR News; Microsoft software on GNU/Linux: malware https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-teams-stores-auth-tokens-as-cleartext-in-windows-linux-macs/
02:02 TR Bot; Microsoft Teams stores auth tokens as cleartext in Windows, Linux, Macs
02:02 starstreak; i got the xbox so that i can play games without having a windows pc
02:03 starstreak; i really hate windows
02:03 highest_cubist_thrills; isnt the xbox technically a windows pc? sort of
02:03 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: It is.
02:03 TR News; AT&T never bothered explaining how such malware makes it into "Linux" in the first place; but they blame "Linux" regardless https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/new-linux-malware-takes-full-control-of-devices/
02:03 TR Bot; Linux Malware Shikitega Can Take Full Control of Devices | eSecurityPlanet
02:03 highest_cubist_thrills; so its not just me then
02:03 starstreak; yeah technically it is
02:03 highest_cubist_thrills; so you got...
02:03 highest_cubist_thrills; :)
02:03 XRevan86; Microsoft even did some sort on introducing Xbox stuff into baseline Windows.
02:03 highest_cubist_thrills; what does the dell run? arch right
02:04 starstreak; yeah arch on the dell
02:04 XRevan86; So starstreak is welcome to replace the Xbox with a Windows 11 PC :).
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; okay
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; /me doesnt believe windows 11 exist
02:04 TR News; SPAM + googlebomging "Linux" = https://www.techradar.com/news/leading-vpn-is-now-supporting-linux techradar = shitposting http://techrights.org/2020/10/22/techradar-misinformation/
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; its just a story parents tell to scare their kids
02:04 TR Bot; users can now secure their data with this leading VPN | TechRadar
02:04 TR Bot; TechRadar is an Irresponsible Clickbait and Misinformation Site Disguised as News | Techrights
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; "stoo fighting with your sister or ill install windows 11"
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; "no!"
02:05 highest_cubist_thrills; ive never seen windows 11 so theres that
02:05 highest_cubist_thrills; windows 10 ive seen
02:05 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Windows 11 is Windows 10 with UI that they ripped off GNU/Linux DEs.
02:05 highest_cubist_thrills; heh heh
02:05 highest_cubist_thrills; ill have to check it out on youtube
02:06 XRevan86; More GNOME-y, more Budgie-y, more Chromium OS-y.
02:06 highest_cubist_thrills; id go to wikipedia but apparently its all ads now (still not sure what he was on about)
02:06 highest_cubist_thrills; More GNOME-y, more Budgie-y, more Chromium OS-y. <- i mean if they didnt make it worse it woudlnt be a new version of windows
02:06 XRevan86; That's the plus side of Windows 11.
02:07 highest_cubist_thrills; naturally
02:07 TR News; WWW is doomed because of webspam such as this. You search for info and get unsuitably marked spam, pretending to be "news" "report" or "journalism" https://www.techradar.com/news/leading-vpn-is-now-supporting-linux
02:07 TR News; TechRadar even uses the taxonomy "news" for advertising spam
02:07 XRevan86; The minus side is mandatory TPM/SecureBoot (can be worked around), mandatory Microsoft account and Internet connection for installation (can be worked around).
02:07 highest_cubist_thrills; be sure to thank mjg for that
02:07 XRevan86; And somewhat higher resource usage and fluffier effects by default.
02:08 TR News; To the shitty shallow media, any computer program is "HEY HI", anything that happens on top of 'Linux' is... "LINUX" (esp. if it's something malicious). No qualifications required, just do and write what Microsoft ("THE SPONSOR") says.
02:09 XRevan86; There's also that TPM replacement called Microsoft Pluton. Noteworthy.
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; blocking Linux == "security"
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; thanks, Microsoft
02:09 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft <3 blocking linux
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/07/28/antitrust-dual-booting/
02:10 TR Bot; Antitrust Action Against Microsoft is Well Overdue | Techrights
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/14/microsoft-love/
02:10 TR Bot; [Meme] Microsoft Love | Techrights
02:10 XRevan86; Linux should be where Microsoft allows it to be.
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft <3 linux traitors
02:10 XRevan86; Servers, virtualised environments.
02:10 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft <3 attack surface
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: WSL
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; Novell
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; with Microsoft tax
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; WINE will be the target for FUD and maybe lawsuits
02:11 highest_cubist_thrills; if you support tpm you increase the attack surface for microsofts love
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; if it's not too late
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
02:11 TR Bot; Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett | Techrights
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; or salaries, highest_cubist_thrills
02:11 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft <3 bribing people
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; bill <3 jeff
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; jim <3 bill
02:12 highest_cubist_thrills; jim <3 <3 <3 bill
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; sheela <3 microsoft
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; spamnil <3 brown-nosing
02:13 highest_cubist_thrills; 2 <3
02:14 TR News; FLOSS Weekly is compromised. After bringing in Bill Gates minions and Microsoft minions for openwashing they now bring Miguel de Icaza https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/698 http://techrights.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#2022
02:14 TR Bot; Miguel de Icaza
02:14 TR Bot; Miguel de Icaza - Techrights
02:15 TR News; FLOSS Weekly calls a man who attacked Linux on behalf of Microsoft a "Linux legend".
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: 2 is old enough for sex education, saya NPR/BillPR
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; it's never too early, says melinda
02:17 highest_cubist_thrills; oh dear
02:18 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Also they crippled customisability the panel in Windows 11 compared to Windows 10, but hilariously enough, because they never removed the old code, the old panel can be enabled back too.
02:18 TR News; Laura Tucker shilling surveillance devices for corporate bribes again. Fake 'article' https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/save-100-on-a-eufy-robovac-l35-hybrid-robotic-vacuum/
02:18 TR Bot; Save $100 on a eufy RoboVac L35 Hybrid+ Robotic Vacuum - Make Tech Easier
02:18 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah thats how they do most ui "upgrades"
02:18 highest_cubist_thrills; fiddle with it on the surface and truly cripple it later
02:19 TR News; Microsoft invented ALL CAPS https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-err_connection_timed_out-error-windows/
02:19 TR Bot; Fix ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT Error When Browsing in Windows - Make Tech Easier
02:19 highest_cubist_thrills; until then you can just go add some gobbledygook to the registry
02:19 XRevan86; It appears that Windows 12 is going to be the actual offensive "upgrade" where the new requirements are going to be doubled down on.
02:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; /me runs program manager
02:20 AdmFubar; https://epic.org/abc-news-twitter-whistleblower-alleges-user-data-vulnerable-to-foreign-adversaries/
02:20 TR Bot; ABC News: Twitter whistleblower alleges user data vulnerable to foreign adversaries EPIC Electronic Privacy Information Center
02:20 TR News; LibrePlanet 2023: Let's chart the course together! Submit your session by November 2 https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/libreplanet-2023-lets-chart-the-course-together-submit-your-session-by-november-2 will RMS be allowed to SPEAK DURING the event?
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; whats this? mirc?
02:20 TR Bot; LibrePlanet 2023: Let's chart the course together! Submit your session by November 2 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; whats "write"
02:21 starstreak; the early version of wordpad
02:21 TR News; LibrePlanet 2022 CFS office hours (2022-09-22) https://www.fsf.org/events/libreplanet-2022-cfs-office-hours-2022-09-22
02:21 TR Bot; LibrePlanet 2022 CFS office hours (2022-09-22) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; https://microsoft.fandom.com/wiki/Cardfile
02:21 TR Bot; Cardfile | Microsoft Wiki | Fandom
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; i know, i think it used rtf
02:22 highest_cubist_thrills; "look you put a wav file in a text file!"
02:23 highest_cubist_thrills; /me was still using win 3.1 in 2001
02:23 schestowitz[TR]; it might be a cult...
02:23 schestowitz[TR]; when a corporation claims to have "fans"
02:23 schestowitz[TR]; who are not staff or shareholders
02:23 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean
02:23 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: "look you put a wav file in a text file!" <- Sounds like a feature that can be disabled for a fee in Telegram Premium.
02:23 highest_cubist_thrills; its wikia, so
02:23 highest_cubist_thrills; basically, cult inception
02:23 XRevan86; Write Premium?
02:23 highest_cubist_thrills; do you see the wav file? neither do i, but it is there
02:24 XRevan86; For an extra fee it is not there.
02:24 highest_cubist_thrills; parumpu~1.rtf
02:24 TR News; Planet Fedora is NOT 100% dead... yet. They still get... some content. https://fedorafans.com/%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%86%D9%88%DA%A9%D8%B3-%D9%81%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7-%DB%B3%DB%B7-%D8%A8%D8%AA%D8%A7-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B4%D8%B1-%D8%B4%D8%AF/
02:24 TR Bot; |
02:24 highest_cubist_thrills; parump~1.rtf
02:25 highest_cubist_thrills; /me watches vinnie pooh again
02:25 TR News; But otherwise, ICBM has already wiped out what was known as Fedora COMMUNITY. In fact, ICBM lawyers decided to LAWYER UP against some of the volunteers!! As if what ICBM did to CentOS wasn't already bad enough... ICBM should be nuked into a dustbin of history.
02:26 highest_cubist_thrills; bnhhn nyx
02:26 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Cryptic.
02:26 XRevan86; * buhhu nyx
02:27 highest_cubist_thrills; /me turns head sideways
02:27 highest_cubist_thrills; okay
02:27 TR News; UN roundup and delegate guide: digital rights at the United Nations - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-united-nations/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-united-nations/
02:27 TR Bot; UN roundup and delegate guide: digital rights at the United Nations - Access Now
02:28 DaemonFC; I'm not going to wear "pants" anymore. Don't worry. I'm not going to Doctor Pizza and say how much I like walking around naked. I'm switching to overalls.
02:28 DaemonFC; I hate belts. I realized how much I hate belts.
02:28 DaemonFC; They're either suffocating you or your pants are falling down.
02:29 DaemonFC; So I'm just going to wear overalls from now on.
02:29 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: I see your power of "volapuk" is strong :)
02:29 DaemonFC; The doctor commented the other day that they looked good on me.
02:29 highest_cubist_thrills; it could be if i knew what it was
02:29 highest_cubist_thrills; on the one hand, vinnie pooh looks very little like winnie the pooh
02:29 XRevan86; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_romanizations_of_Cyrillic#Volapuk_encoding
02:29 TR Bot; Informal romanizations of Cyrillic - Wikipedia
02:30 highest_cubist_thrills; on the other hand, vinnie pooh looks a lot more like a bear.
02:30 XRevan86; BuHHu nYX
02:30 DaemonFC; 500-600 Russian bastards dying every day in the "special military operation".
02:30 highest_cubist_thrills; i think it comes down to the fact that i know a y looks like a y.. even when i know it isnt and cant be a y because its a different alphabet
02:31 DaemonFC; The United States, I think, wasn't losing much more than that during the peak of having two wars going on at the same time, in an entire month.
02:31 DaemonFC; Our technology is better than the Russian stuff, and it works.
02:31 highest_cubist_thrills; unless it actually is a y, but i wouldnt know
02:32 DaemonFC; The Russians have very little that actually is high tech and works, and their military is unprofessional and REALLY doesn't want to be there.
02:32 highest_cubist_thrills; so its more a matter of involapuk
02:32 DaemonFC; Even tells the Ukrainians they're there because the other choice was going to jail in Russia.
02:32 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: I mean, it's a cognate of sorts.
02:32 highest_cubist_thrills; or involuntary volapuk
02:32 DaemonFC; The soldiers know they're not there to "de-Nazify" anything.
02:33 DaemonFC; They run at the first opportunity and they even leave their weapons and ammunition behind because they're mainly concerned with not being there when the Ukrainian soldiers get into town.
02:33 highest_cubist_thrills; voluntary volapuk didnt come until gorbechev :)
02:33 DaemonFC; So the Russian soldiers leave the tanks, rifles, bullets, shells....
02:33 DaemonFC; They're off stealing civilian clothing and a car.
02:34 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: In Ancient Greek the letter represents [u]
02:34 highest_cubist_thrills; this is the first ive heard of the letter Yu
02:34 DaemonFC; Putin has refused to abide by the usual laws of war.
02:35 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: But the Cyrillic letter is actually way younger than that and is actually a simplification of , which comes from a Greek digraph.
02:35 DaemonFC; The Geneva Conventions protocols state that if you're serving in uniform in a nation's military, you have rights as a PoW.
02:35 XRevan86; But it's effectively the same thing.
02:35 highest_cubist_thrills; <- this looks like another botched swastika <><>
02:35 DaemonFC; Putin said any foreign fighters they come across risk being executed right there.
02:35 highest_cubist_thrills; "sheisse i can never get these right!"
02:36 highest_cubist_thrills; a simplification of <- ...
02:36 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Anyway, Latin Yy is "I graeca", so ye can guess its origins :).
02:36 highest_cubist_thrills; ()yoy
02:37 XRevan86; Also the French digraph "ou" was modelled after Greek "" and travelled into English as well.
02:37 highest_cubist_thrills; the more i learn about alphabets
02:37 highest_cubist_thrills; the more i know i dont know anything about alphabets
02:37 DaemonFC; You know, I don't think Matt ever told me why only certain workers should be able to take time off to attend a routine doctor's appointment.
02:37 DaemonFC; Not a medical emergency, but a routine appointment.
02:37 DaemonFC; mjg59_, So how about it?
02:38 DaemonFC; What's to stop this from being abused?
02:38 DaemonFC; You can get a doctor's slip from an app now.
02:38 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Putin has a very special understanding of who counts as a mercenary.
02:38 DaemonFC; Being paid doesn't necessarily make you a mercenary.
02:38 DaemonFC; Soldiers get paid.
02:39 DaemonFC; If you have a uniform, a rank, and are serving in their military at the usual pay for your rank, then that's not a mercenary.
02:39 DaemonFC; Zelensky said that there's now a special path to Ukrainian citizenship for serving in their military.
02:39 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Anyway, that's how Latin Yy and Cyrillic are virtually the same but have different sounds. The Cyrillic sound is more original but that's more or less a historical coincidence.
02:40 highest_cubist_thrills; this is exactly the sort of thing that im not surprised you know
02:40 DaemonFC; So Putin is claiming that a soldier who is a lawful immigrant in Ukraine on their way to becoming a Ukrainian citizen (which happens quickly this way), and is in uniform, and has a rank in the Ukrainian military, and is only being paid what a Ukrainian solder is being paid, is a mercenary?
02:40 DaemonFC; That's a special definition alright.
02:40 highest_cubist_thrills; but that im still surprised is even a thing
02:40 DaemonFC; There are Green Card holders serving in the US Military.
02:41 DaemonFC; They're not Americans, but they are US soldiers.
02:41 DaemonFC; Not mercenaries.
02:41 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Also Latin Uu doesn't come from Greek "" but rather from Latin Vv as an artificial distinction.
02:41 DaemonFC; Nobody would say they're mercenaries.
02:41 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-140922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-140922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-140922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-140922.txt
02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, September 14, 2022
02:41 TR News; Links 15/09/2022: Koozali SME Server 10.1, Krita 5.1.1, and EndeavourOS Artemis Nova | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/14/krita-5-1-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/14/krita-5-1-1/
02:41 TR Bot; Links 15/09/2022: Koozali SME Server 10.1, Krita 5.1.1, and EndeavourOS Artemis Nova | Techrights
02:42 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: If ye think it's weird that Classical Latin doesn't tell V and U apart, look at contemporary Ukrainian :).
02:42 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Security_Leftovers.gmi
02:42 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
02:42 XRevan86; So it all ties together on Ukraine.
02:42 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-140922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-140922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-140922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-140922.txt
02:42 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, September 14, 2022
02:43 DaemonFC; Mercenaries are like Wagner and Blackwater/Xe/Academi (they keep changing their name).
02:43 DaemonFC; They're who you hire when you can't get enough people to join your military.
02:43 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
02:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
02:43 XRevan86; Russian: there's a "v" preposition and a "u" preposition.
02:43 XRevan86; Ukrainian: it's the same preposition.
02:43 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-140922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-140922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-140922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-140922.txt
02:43 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, September 14, 2022
02:43 DaemonFC; They don't give a shit about your cause. They fight because they get paid more than if they were soldiers.
02:44 XRevan86; PMCs are quite a weird thing, they're still not legal in Russia, but they operate in the open.
02:44 TR News; Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-140922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-140922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-140922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-140922.txt
02:44 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, September 14, 2022
02:45 XRevan86; And there are more and more PMCs every day, I lost count.
02:45 TR News; (NEW): Arduino IDE 2.0 and Linux-Compatible Devices http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Arduino_IDE_2_0_and_Linux_Compatible_Devices.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Arduino_IDE_2_0_and_Linux_Compatible_Devices.gmi
02:45 TR Bot; Tux Machines Arduino IDE 2.0 and Linux-Compatible Devices
02:45 TR News; (NEW): LibrePlanet 2023 Coming http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibrePlanet_2023_Coming.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibrePlanet_2023_Coming.gmi
02:45 TR Bot; Tux Machines LibrePlanet 2023 Coming
02:46 AdmFubar; https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/14/google-cancels-half-the-projects-at-its-internal-rd-group-area-120/
02:46 TR Bot; cancels half the projects at its internal R&D group Area 120 TechCrunch
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; again?
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, good riddance
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; the bailout biden and trumpet trrrump cannot bail out the corporationis forever
02:46 XRevan86; (technically even in Ukrainian these are two separate prepositions but they're complete homonyms because the noun gets a different declension depending on which preposition it is)
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; too much debt
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; "defence" contracts
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; 1.1 trillion per year around 7 years ago
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; maybe 1.5 trillion/annum by now
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; including the "hidden" budget
02:47 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-09-14.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-09-14.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; gulag: sorry, no money
02:48 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Want a freaky thing? Latin letter "H" and Cyrillic letter "" are related.
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; we already paid 40,00,000 to Andy Rubin
02:48 highest_cubist_thrills; that doesnt surprise me
02:48 highest_cubist_thrills; they look very similar
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; to keep him quiet about sexual abuse
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; getting blow jobs from women he bossed
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; gulag: we aree WOKE, too!
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; google: doob be ebol-- sorry
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; dont be evil
02:49 *Redfoxmoon has quit (Connection closed)
02:49 TR News; (NEW): Raspberry Pi News and Projects http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Raspberry_Pi_News_and_Projects.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Raspberry_Pi_News_and_Projects.gmi
02:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Raspberry Pi News and Projects
02:49 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.gmi
02:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
02:50 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Don't tell activelow, he has an alternative understanding of alphabet history.
02:51 TR News; (NEW): Red Hat Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Red_Hat_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Red_Hat_Leftovers.gmi
02:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines Red Hat Leftovers
02:51 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I read an article that says we gave the Ukrainians almost all of our artillery shells and have to scramble to find someone who can make more.
02:52 DaemonFC; The DoD wants to increase production by 12,000 shells per month.
02:52 DaemonFC; The article says we've given Ukraine over a million shells and they're firing about 6,000 of them per day at the Russians.
02:52 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: SALES
02:52 TR News; (NEW): Games: Simple Games, Steam, and Retro http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Games_Simple_Games_Steam_and_Retro.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Games_Simple_Games_Steam_and_Retro.gmi
02:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Simple Games, Steam, and Retro
02:53 DaemonFC; So like 5-6 months worth of shell so far.
02:53 TR News; (NEW): Linux Graphics and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Linux_Graphics_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Linux_Graphics_and_More.gmi
02:53 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux Graphics and More
02:53 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> DaemonFC: SALES
02:53 DaemonFC; Our shells work.
02:53 starstreak; chicken sandwich
02:53 schestowitz[TR]; well, I am not optimistic
02:53 geert; huh wut shells
02:54 schestowitz[TR]; russia has nukes
02:54 DaemonFC; The Russian ones, half either don't fire, they're duds, or they go off after they've hit the ground.
02:54 geert; like secure ones?
02:54 schestowitz[TR]; it can always fall back on the nukes
02:54 geert; if you dont mind telling me about it, that is..
02:54 schestowitz[TR]; so this dumb war should have ended with some peace treaty
02:54 geert; DaemonFC ^^
02:54 schestowitz[TR]; not all this "own the libs" attitude
02:54 *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@vayqsuzqttqha.irc) has joined #techrights
02:55 DaemonFC; The goal was to get Russia bogged down in a terrible quagmire where damned near all of them that Putin sends get killed.
02:55 schestowitz[TR]; russia could nuke ukraine to hell in one afternoon
02:55 *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights
02:55 DaemonFC; And that's basically what's happened.
02:55 schestowitz[TR]; it would not make russia popular
02:55 schestowitz[TR]; not even among russia
02:55 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> chicken sandwich <- why did i think youre vegetarian?
02:55 schestowitz[TR]; but it would finish off ukraine for a century
02:55 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, because im a lesbian
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; thats not why
02:56 starstreak; lol
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; but i thought you might be lesbian
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; or ace
02:56 starstreak; 90% lesbian
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; 90% lesbian!
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the best kind
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; (10% ace lol)
02:56 TR News; Imagine Letting a Power Company Control Your Thermostat - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=cmuKlMnvvBI | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/cmuKlMnvvBI
02:56 TR Bot; Imagine Letting a Power Company Control Your Thermostat - Invidious
02:56 starstreak; yeah i find most men gross but some are alright
02:56 XRevan86; "500-600 Russian bastards dying every day in the "special military operation"" <- I think that's exaggerated even when counting all the pro-Russian forces at this stage of the war.
02:56 starstreak; Roy is a beef cake
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; so basically youre sturgeons lesbian
02:57 XRevan86; But the count's going to be very uneven depending on what's happening at any given day.
02:57 starstreak; sturgeons lesbian?
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; roy isnt my type
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; sturgeons law: 90% of everything (male) is crap
02:57 starstreak; oh lol
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; he didnt say male, i was clarifying
02:57 starstreak; i have a bit of a crush on Justin Beiber
02:57 TR News; Fedora 37 Beta Run Through - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=08nYEc0eEfI | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/08nYEc0eEfI
02:57 TR Bot; Fedora 37 Beta Run Through - Invidious
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; he has that effect on women
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; its weird but funny
02:58 starstreak; lol
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; even i liked sorry (not sorry)
02:58 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Just like this railroad strike should be over before it starts.
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; im about 90% lesbian too
02:58 TR News; Let's Talk About Linux And Stuff - DT LIVE! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VWgtnMkP0B0 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/VWgtnMkP0B0
02:58 TR Bot; Let's Talk About Linux And Stuff - DT LIVE! - Invidious
02:58 DaemonFC; But Biden's a pushover for unions.
02:58 DaemonFC; So guess what will happen on Friday.
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe 98
02:58 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, women are just so hawt
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; its true theyre awesome
02:59 TR News; Linux AppImages Have Annoying Usability Issues - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gvzj9ll3MbM | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/gvzj9ll3MbM
02:59 TR Bot; Linux AppImages Have Annoying Usability Issues - Invidious
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 151.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 159.06
02:59 TR News; "Recent news of Patreon firing their security team is making the rounds online, and in this episode, Jay and Joao will talk about this very strange story and some takeaways from it." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=t7LUa-q101s
02:59 TR Bot; ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=t7LUa-q101s )
03:00 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, https://youtu.be/JL8niW49pfY
03:00 TR Bot; https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=JL8niW49pfY
03:00 TR Bot; invidious.weblibre.org | Every Girl - Lil Wayne - Invidious
03:00 DaemonFC; "Metra also started to preventatively cancel trains in the Chicago area, regardless of how the contract standoff goes, starting at 8 p.m. on Thursday. These are lines that carry 80,000 Chicagoland commuters on a typical weekday."
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; i feel like that should have a video
03:01 DaemonFC; We'll see how many Democrats like this after they lose their job and can't get food because of some assholes in the rail union demanding an easy-to-game attendance policy.
03:01 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, it should
03:02 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, want to see hot babes use power tools in bikinis? https://youtu.be/a0fkNdPiIL4
03:02 TR Bot; https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=a0fkNdPiIL4
03:02 TR Bot; invidious.namazso.eu | Benny Benassi - Satisfaction - Invidious
03:02 DaemonFC; "People don't realize until we have a situation like this, what a patchwork system Metra is. It's not a system where we wholly own and operate 11 lines," Gillis said.
03:02 TR News; (NEW): Videos: AppImages, Fedora 37 Beta, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_AppImages_Fedora_37_Beta_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_AppImages_Fedora_37_Beta_and_More.gmi
03:02 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: AppImages, Fedora 37 Beta, and More
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont even have to click it
03:02 DaemonFC; That's because Metra fought to keep this that way.
03:03 highest_cubist_thrills; i had an ex that was triggered by that because she thinks that chainsaws are sentient and out to get her
03:03 DaemonFC; Had Metra taken back the lines then none of them would be shutting down now/
03:03 highest_cubist_thrills; we didnt even have one
03:03 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, lmao
03:03 highest_cubist_thrills; her father did a lot of woodworking but they got along fine, so... i dont get it
03:03 XRevan86; DaemonFC: I think we'll some interesting new estimates after the South offensive goes into a tactical pause.
03:03 XRevan86; * we'll see
03:04 highest_cubist_thrills; fair point, xrevan
03:04 starstreak; okay so apparently firefox becomes really fucking buggy when I generate art
03:04 highest_cubist_thrills; im still waiting for a video where girls in bikinis work on computers
03:05 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, ill generate that as art after
03:05 highest_cubist_thrills; excellent
03:05 starstreak; right now im generating "nuclear vladimir putin"
03:05 highest_cubist_thrills; youll be my third favourite person in the world then
03:05 starstreak; :)
03:05 highest_cubist_thrills; the other two are twins
03:06 starstreak; who are they
03:06 highest_cubist_thrills; if you met them theyd be your favourite too
03:06 starstreak; are they hot babes?
03:06 highest_cubist_thrills; yes
03:06 highest_cubist_thrills; and they like girls
03:06 starstreak; :O
03:06 geert; russia has been lured into this war, by corruption disguised as e.g. nato/eu/so many eye jurisdiction and even some others
03:07 geert; i dont say i like putin or talk pro russia now
03:07 geert; supposed globalist wanted different things than 'human rights', still want, such as simply a sort of vierten reich which they already tryna build for over two decades
03:07 geert; over three even.
03:07 geert; decades*
03:07 geert; and its worse than during wwII although it doesnt seem so much on the appearances
03:07 geert; coz hitler talk shit about worldwide, but not getting clsoe
03:08 geert; close*
03:08 geert; current goons are really figuring nobody can stop them hitler shit worldwide
03:08 geert; seriously, they dont fight putin coz they think he can stop them
03:08 geert; its part of their plan
03:08 geert; btw putin just a frontrunner, so many ppl talk shita bout em, buthe just some frontrunner from some ru powerhouse
03:08 geert; if he don do some things, or go over some borders, bye bye putin
03:09 geert; insight of cnn
03:09 geert; and he know it
03:09 geert; DaemonFC so something different than secure shells
03:09 geert; pity, i get some use to seriously secure shells, some very serious use momentarily
03:09 geert; but i guess theres not so much hacker mentality around anymore
03:10 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wnCTyJNIkOM
03:10 geert; some wining about dissapointing difficulties currently or something
03:10 TR Bot; All the Hints Britney Gave Us About #FreeBritney for the Past 12 Years - Invidious
03:10 AdmFubar; https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/09/say-hello-to-crazy-thin-deep-insert-atm-skimmers/
03:10 TR Bot; Say Hello to Crazy Thin Deep Insert ATM Skimmers Krebs on Security
03:11 TR News; iTWire - EU gives Google little relief in verdict on record fine appeal https://itwire.com/technology-regulation/eu-gives-google-little-relief-in-verdict-on-record-fine-appeal.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/technology-regulation/eu-gives-google-little-relief-in-verdict-on-record-fine-appeal.html
03:11 TR Bot; - EU gives Google little relief in verdict on record fine appeal
03:11 geert; oh btw and even if the goons thought they could just win from ru over the back of ua, against serious ua interest, shit not gona happen as they think
03:12 geert; and almost all supposed 'intel' about it, just some spinning wheel b/s, in reality very different things happening than just ru losing
03:12 geert; but hey, like with goebbels, i guess people pick convenient and wishful crap above facts rather
03:12 geert; its not like such ppl gona win, whatever fancy/senationalist it sound/appear
03:13 highest_cubist_thrills; i didnt know her father was like that too, i thought it was just her mother
03:14 geert; dont think so much as if you knew
03:14 geert; if you knew, you didnt assume as if thinking just like that
03:14 geert; :P
03:14 geert; anyways, things things, very serious things, prolly bbiab
03:15 TR News; The UV Budgie shows IoT alerts in a fun way | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/14/the-uv-budgie-shows-iot-alerts-in-a-fun-way/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/14/the-uv-budgie-shows-iot-alerts-in-a-fun-way/
03:15 TR Bot; The UV Budgie shows IoT alerts in a fun way | Arduino Blog
03:16 TR News; (NEW): Debian set to start vote on including non-free packages in install media http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Debian_set_to_start_vote_on_including_non_free_packages_in_inst.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Debian_set_to_start_vote_on_including_non_free_packages_in_inst.gmi
03:16 TR Bot; Tux Machines Debian set to start vote on including non-free packages in install media
03:17 TR News; Arm Fills In Some Gaps And Details In Server Chip Roadmaps https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/14/arm-fills-in-some-gaps-and-details-in-server-chip-roadmaps/ Source: The Next Platform | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/14/arm-fills-in-some-gaps-and-details-in-server-chip-roadmaps/
03:17 TR Bot; Arm Fills In Some Gaps And Details In Server Chip Roadmaps
03:18 TR News; Istio / Support for Istio 1.13 ends on October 12th, 2022 https://istio.io/latest/news/support/announcing-1.13-eol/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//istio.io/latest/news/support/announcing-1.13-eol/
03:18 TR Bot; Istio / Support for Istio 1.13 ends on October 12th, 2022
03:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
03:20 TR News; Spy meters tell the energy supplier what goes on inside the house (what uses how much power, never mind what people do inside the home); even if they don't add microphones and cams later (or latch onto some via 'smart' phones/'apps'), sooner or later they'll remotely control electric appliances. It is already happen. They use financial penalty/ies to herd people into this scam.
03:21 TR News; If you're allowing companies to sneak spy meters into your home, then you might be part of the problem. Perpetuating things we should all collectively reject. It's an extension of class warfare (along the digital realm).
03:22 TR News; Using Pushdown Automata to verify Packet Sequences - vanitasvitaes blog https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/09/14/using-pushdown-automata-to-verify-packet-sequences/ Source: Paul Schaub
03:22 TR Bot; Using Pushdown Automata to verify Packet Sequences vanitasvitae's blog
03:24 TR News; "At this weeks International Conference on Functional Programming I showed my rec-def Haskell library to a few people. As this crowd appreciates writing compilers, and example from the realm of program analysis is quite compelling." https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/794-rec-def__Program_analysis_case_study
03:24 TR Bot; rec-def: Program analysis case study Blog Joachim Breitner's Homepage
03:25 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 110952 total Total number of pages in capsule: 42592 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 1 months 11 days ago
03:26 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 37 GB TotalOut: 9.8 GB
03:27 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:37 XRevan86; geert: "russia has been lured into this war, by corruption disguised as e.g. nato/eu/so many eye jurisdiction and even some others" <- https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/14/a78787
03:37 TR Bot; Putin Rejected Early Ukraine Peace Deal to Pursue 'Expanded' Annexation Goals Reuters - The Moscow Times
03:37 XRevan86; I've posted that earlier (on Reuters) but sure, let me do it again.
03:38 XRevan86; The rest I didn't understand so can't comment on.
03:39 XRevan86; Not even proper grammar, that certainly doesn't help comprehension.
03:41 schestowitz[TR]; stubborn poo-tin
03:41 schestowitz[TR]; could make a point, kill people for 6 days, then settle
03:41 schestowitz[TR]; went on for 6 months
03:41 schestowitz[TR]; lost a lot of his army assets
03:41 schestowitz[TR]; now election
03:42 schestowitz[TR]; lots of rigging will be needed by him this time
03:42 schestowitz[TR]; or media takeover
03:42 schestowitz[TR]; because "foreign agents"
03:44 TR News; SHILLING WINDOWS crap under the guise of 'Linux' in exchange for 'gifts': "The review model included a soldered-on 256 GB eMMC drive complete with Windows 11 Pro [...] Id like to thank MeLE for providing the Quieter HD3Q for review. It retails at around $420" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/15/mele-quieter-hd3q-review-fanless-mini-pc-dual-channel-memory-2-5-inch-sata-bay/
03:44 TR Bot; MeLE Quieter HD3Q Review - A fanless mini PC with dual-channel memory, 2.5-inch SATA bay - CNX Software
03:45 TR News; No connection whatsoever to Linux, just openwashing (Microsoft) as a service https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/964683
03:45 TR Bot; CGIAR and the Linux Foundation partner to unl | EurekAlert!
03:47 DaemonFC; mjg59_, So can we agree that Jeremy Soule is a vicious sex criminal?
03:47 DaemonFC; One that preys on immigrants to try to conceal his crimes by threatening to have them deported?
03:48 DaemonFC; Can we agree that this is worse than a somewhat tasteless one liner sex joke?
03:49 TR News; aurora-cert.pub... works on "security" and does not know Git supports SSH certificates???? https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/60916.html
03:49 TR Bot; mjg59 | git signatures with SSH certificates
03:50 TR News; Atom is deprecated (dead end) and controlled by Microsoft; it's bloated garbage, nobody should use this https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-atom-text-editor-on-linux-mint-21-lts/
03:50 TR Bot; to Install Atom Text Editor on Linux Mint 21 LTS - LinuxCapable
03:51 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Can we agree that when Jeremy Soule sent another woman he worked with a video of himself masturbating, he should have been fired and arrested for that as well?
03:52 TR News; Not ethical: companies sending "GIFTS" for fake reviews of the "GIFTS" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/15/mele-quieter-hd3q-review-fanless-mini-pc-dual-channel-memory-2-5-inch-sata-bay/ in this case, "Linux" site shilling WINDOWS crap... for the "GIFTS"
03:52 schestowitz[TR]; "well, he''s dead"
03:53 schestowitz[TR]; "we came, we saw, he died"
03:53 TR News; tecadmin shilling too much apple crap lately. hopefully that trend will be undone soon. https://tecadmin.net/how-to-install-maven-on-macos/
03:53 TR Bot; How to Install Maven on macOS (2 Methods) TecAdmin
03:54 TR News; 5 Kali Linux books you should read this year - Help Net Security https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/13/5-kali-linux-books/ Source: Help Net Security | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/13/5-kali-linux-books/
03:54 TR Bot; 5 Kali Linux books you should read this year - Help Net Security
03:57 DaemonFC; https://online.ucpress.edu/jsmg/article/3/1/50/119523/A-Silent-Game-of-WordsNotes-on-Jeremy-Soule-s
03:57 TR Bot; A (Silent) Game of Words | Journal of Sound and Music in Games | University of California Press
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 100.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 144.48
04:00 DaemonFC; https://wccftech.com/renown-the-elder-scrolls-and-guild-wars-composer-jeremy-soule-accused-of-rape/
04:00 TR Bot; [UPDATE - Soule Responds] Renown The Elder Scrolls and Guild Wars Composer Jeremy Soule Accused of Rape
04:00 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
04:00 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
04:03 TR News; Tech product reviews are tricky "Business"; what's in it for the company? What's in it for the reviewer? Back when actual media companies existed they'd buy products and review them. Grassroots reviews can work too. But when companies send gifts, or even products on "loan", it corrupts the whole thing. "Loan" = slave as 'reviewer' (waste of time); "Gift" = bribe, hence fake review. The only solution: fund REAL media, real journalism.
04:06 DaemonFC; https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-hosting-talks-with-union-railroads-avert-shutdown-2022-09-14/
04:06 TR Bot; unions, rail executives struggle for deal as shutdown looms | Reuters
04:06 DaemonFC; "The parties ordered in Italian food for dinner Wednesday in order to continue discussions."
04:06 DaemonFC; Yeah, mob union.
04:06 TR News; Real reviews in 2022: I bought this product because I WANTED this product and PAID for it. Here are my thoughts on it, having used it for a while. The main issue is the bias associated with selecting this one product in the first place, based on grand loyalty, marketing, word of mouth etc.
04:06 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, September 14, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
04:06 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
04:06 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:06 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
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04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
04:24 TR News; What's in a (type) name? [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/906496/ Source: LWN | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/906496/
04:24 TR Bot; in a (type) name? [LWN.net]
04:25 TR News; Lazy imports for Python [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/907226/ Source: LWN | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/907226/
04:25 TR Bot; imports for Python [LWN.net]
04:25 TR News; (NEW): A look at Linux Mint 21 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/A_look_at_Linux_Mint_21.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/A_look_at_Linux_Mint_21.gmi
04:25 TR Bot; Tux Machines A look at Linux Mint 21
04:30 TR News; Apostles Of Mara https://www.epistem.ink/p/apostles-of-mara
04:30 TR Bot; Apostles Of Mara - by George - Epistemink
04:30 TR News; (NEW): LWN Articles on Linux (Outside Paywall Now) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LWN_Articles_on_Linux_Outside_Paywall_Now.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LWN_Articles_on_Linux_Outside_Paywall_Now.gmi
04:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines LWN Articles on Linux (Outside Paywall Now)
04:32 TR News; All of TikTok's American rival can do the same or already do the same, so... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/19/technology/tiktok-browser-tracking.html
04:32 TR Bot; TikTok Browser Can Track Users Keystrokes, According to New Research - The New York Times
04:33 TR News; "The payments for infected people off work were set to expire at the end of the month but will remain in place as long as mandatory isolation periods are in effect." https://michaelwest.com.au/paid-pandemic-leave-extended-indefinitely/
04:33 TR Bot; Paid pandemic leave extended indefinitely - Michael West
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05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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05:38 highest_cubist_thrills; theo in towa tei glasses / outfit: "german"
05:39 highest_cubist_thrills; kylie: "bold"
05:39 highest_cubist_thrills; theo: "german"
05:39 highest_cubist_thrills; kylie: "bold"
05:39 highest_cubist_thrills; theo: "german" kylie: "bold"
05:40 highest_cubist_thrills; theo: "attack surface"
05:40 highest_cubist_thrills; *towa tei music*
05:40 highest_cubist_thrills; "my name is german bold attack surface"
05:40 highest_cubist_thrills; "i am a mitigation"
05:41 highest_cubist_thrills; "like you have never heard before"
05:41 highest_cubist_thrills; "like you have never seen before"
05:41 highest_cubist_thrills; "i can compliment you well, especially in red, extremely in green..."
05:41 highest_cubist_thrills; "maybe, in blue-- Blue, BLUE?"
05:42 highest_cubist_thrills; theo: "you will like my sense of style" (flannel with weird shorts from alberta)
05:42 highest_cubist_thrills; kylie: "baby!"
05:43 highest_cubist_thrills; *dr evil voice* "i fit"
05:43 highest_cubist_thrills; "like"
05:43 highest_cubist_thrills; "a"
05:43 highest_cubist_thrills; "glove?"
05:46 highest_cubist_thrills; thank god openbsd doesnt have the fsfs budget for making weird fucking videos, or this could be a real thing
05:46 highest_cubist_thrills; (apologies to ms. minogue)
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 73.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 152.70
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06:33 DaemonFC; https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/whole-foods-in-englewood-to-close-in-november/
06:33 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
06:33 DaemonFC; I was laughing when the city paid Amazon to put this in, in 2018.
06:33 DaemonFC; I called it "the ghetto Whole Foods" to John and said I doubted it would be there more than a few years.
06:34 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Jeremy Soule has disappeared from public view ever since all of the rape "allegations" (from so many women they can't all be lying").
06:34 DaemonFC; mjg59_, ^
06:34 DaemonFC; "I disagree with her point of view." regarding the masturbation video.
06:51 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Perhaps you could point me at the discussion of git using SSH certificates?
06:51 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: And perhaps you could describe how it works given that ssh-keygen doesn't handle the find-principals command properly in the certificate case?
06:55 highest_cubist_thrills; a bison alternative that isnt github-based https://fbb-git.gitlab.io/bisoncpp/
06:55 TR Bot; Bisonc++ V 6.04.04
06:55 highest_cubist_thrills; it also outputs c++ btw
06:55 highest_cubist_thrills; (or rather instead)
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06:58 highest_cubist_thrills; im not sure this is worth getting too excited about, since most of the things that matter (and require bison) arent going to have this as a drop-in replacement
06:59 highest_cubist_thrills; if you were using bison you could switch to this, but its not like most people who pretend to be about "free software" actually give a fuck if microsoft has a monopoly on it
06:59 highest_cubist_thrills; not even the gnu destroyers "maintainers"
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 53.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 130.51
07:08 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf and gnu project stopped doing their jobs in 2011
07:08 highest_cubist_thrills; but this wasnt really a problem until about 2014
07:09 highest_cubist_thrills; thats when threats starting actually manifesting, to which their response was a big fat fuck-all
07:09 highest_cubist_thrills; github took over most of free software in 2018, about which the fsf did a big fat fuck-all
07:10 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf itself was taken over in 2019, about which the fsf did a big fat fuck-all
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07:10 highest_cubist_thrills; ever since then the fsf has done fuck-all
07:10 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu has also, since 2014, done fuck-all
07:10 highest_cubist_thrills; the whole thing can be shut down, because it serves no fucking purpose
07:11 highest_cubist_thrills; its a front for ibm and microsoft and the whole thing is a scam
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07:12 highest_cubist_thrills; there are several competing organisations, the lot of which are ridiculous
07:12 highest_cubist_thrills; several are even worse than the fsf, but this doesnt make the fsf useful
07:13 highest_cubist_thrills; there is no fight-- there is no freedom-- there is no free software
07:13 highest_cubist_thrills; the whole thing is bunk
07:13 highest_cubist_thrills; if you like free software, you might also like qanon and scientology (or both!)
07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; join the fsfr, run by the russian government, it is the most legitimate version of the fsf in existence and it is never wrong
07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; of course its never wrong, its run by putin himself
07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; so how can it be wrong
07:15 highest_cubist_thrills; z for victory, z for freedom, z for free software
07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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08:14 TR News; (NEW): EndeavourOS Artemis Nova Released with Linux Kernel 5.19, Vanilla GRUB Experience http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/EndeavourOS_Artemis_Nova_Released_with_Linux_Kernel_5_19.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/EndeavourOS_Artemis_Nova_Released_with_Linux_Kernel_5_19.gmi
08:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines EndeavourOS Artemis Nova Released with Linux Kernel 5.19, Vanilla GRUB Experience
08:18 TR News; "Charting the Course" https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-09/msg00000.html | Source: GNU
08:18 TR Bot; LibrePlanet 2023: Charting the Course | Call for sessions announced!
08:18 highest_cubist_thrills; flex alternative https://fbb-git.gitlab.io/flexcpp/
08:18 TR Bot; Flexc++ V 2.11.02
08:19 TR News; "The founder of open-source technology provider WSO2, Dr Sanjiva Weerawarana, is visiting Australia this month" https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/strategy/open-source-technology-founder-dr-sanjiva-weerawaranato-to-visit-australia.html | Source: IT Wire
08:19 TR Bot; - Open-source technology founder Dr Sanjiva Weerawarana to visit Australia
08:19 highest_cubist_thrills; im confused "Github's web-pages for oxref are here: https://fbb-git.gitlab.io/oxref/ "
08:19 TR Bot; Oxref V 2.00.03
08:19 highest_cubist_thrills; :/
08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
08:20 TR News; "As with every such resolution, there are a number of solutions proposed, in this case five" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/debian-set-to-start-vote-on-including-non-free-packages-in-install-media.html | Source: IT Wire
08:20 TR Bot; - Debian set to start vote on including non-free packages in install media
08:21 TR News; "Star Wars" https://variety.com/vip/why-disney-remains-a-major-gaming-licensor-not-a-player-1235371894/ | Source: Variety
08:21 TR Bot; Disney Remains aMajor Gaming Licensor --Not a Player - Variety
08:22 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/irc-log-140922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/15/irc-log-140922/
08:22 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 | Techrights
08:23 TR News; Standards https://www.standict.eu/standicteu-2023-8th-open-call |
08:23 TR Bot; 2023 - 8th Open Call | StandICT.eu 2023
08:25 TR News; The National Commission for Safai Karamcharis takes action to protect sanitation workers from workplace surveillance https://internetfreedom.in/the-national-commission-for-safai-karamcharis-takes-action-to-protect-sanitation-workers-from-workplace-surveillance/ Source: Internet Freedom Foundation
08:26 TR Bot; The National Commission for Safai Karamcharis takes action to protect sanitation workers from workplace surveillance
08:26 TR News; "On the 22th of September, Interoperable Europe Digital Services Director Natalia Aristimuo Prez will take part" https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/interoperable-europe/news/panel-implementing-data-spaces-perez-sir-berners-lee | Source: Joinup
08:26 TR Bot; Panel on implementing data spaces, with Prez & Sir Berners-Lee | Joinup
08:29 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: it goes back years, e.g. 2019 https://linuxkamarada.com/en/2019/07/14/using-git-with-ssh-keys/#.YyLUVzfTVhE
08:29 TR Bot; Using Git with SSH keys - Linux Kamarada
08:30 schestowitz[TR]; it was also in headlines a lot lately, this past spring and summer
08:30 schestowitz[TR]; you need to read news
08:30 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure he reads news
08:30 highest_cubist_thrills; looking for people to destroy
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; let me know when the media isnt bullshit anyway
08:31 schestowitz[TR]; techrights might be world's first to use mqtt for git alerts
08:31 schestowitz[TR]; among other things
08:31 schestowitz[TR]; we wrote some toolsets
08:31 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
08:32 schestowitz[TR]; in gemini we were first to do many git things
08:32 TR News; "Visitors can use their smartphones to scan the robot's barcodes to show content such as verses from the Quran and download it on their devices." https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-mecca-grand-mosque-robots-sermons-call-prayer-relay | Source: Middle East Eye
08:32 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-mecca-grand-mosque-robots-sermons-call-prayer-relay )
08:32 highest_cubist_thrills; MQTT is a lightweight, publish-subscribe, machine to machine network protocol. It is designed for connections with remote locations that have devices with resource constraints or limited network bandwidth. It must run over a transport protocol that provides ordered, lossless, bi-directional connectionstypically, TCP/IP. It is an open OASIS standard and an ISO recommendation.
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; https://mqtt.org/
08:33 TR Bot; MQTT - The Standard for IoT Messaging
08:33 TR News; "Around 200 health organisations and more than 1,400 health professionals on Wednesday called for governments to establish a binding international treaty" https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1965965.html | Source: RTL
08:33 TR Bot; RTL Today - Cancel fossil fuels: Health groups call for fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; you can now get alerts about tuxmachines posts
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; over mqtt
08:33 highest_cubist_thrills; MQTT: The Standard for IoT Messaging <- presumably it isnt the iobs application that interests you
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; yobs?
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; interent of bullshit
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; net
08:34 schestowitz[TR]; ah
08:34 schestowitz[TR]; f*iing YOBS!
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; yobbos
08:34 TR News; "Core to his vision was a belief that wine should be enjoyed and consumed on every American table" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/14/business/fred-franzia-death/index.html | Source: CNN
08:34 TR Bot; Fred Franzia, creator of 'Two Buck Chuck,' has died | CNN Business
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; why mqtt though
08:34 highest_cubist_thrills; https://mqtt.org/
08:35 TR News; Windows TCO https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iranian-nationals-charged-ransomware-conspiracy/story?id=89892197 | Source: ABC
08:35 TR Bot; Iranian nationals charged in alleged ransomware conspiracy - ABC News
08:35 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: push protocol
08:35 schestowitz[TR]; rss is pull
08:35 schestowitz[TR]; so you subscribe
08:35 schestowitz[TR]; and it pulsates when there is something new
08:35 schestowitz[TR]; and same for git
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; ive been hearing this since identica stopped being reliable
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; thats a long fucking time
08:35 schestowitz[TR]; I used to poll for upates every 10 minutes in our two git servers
08:35 highest_cubist_thrills; why should i care now
08:35 schestowitz[TR]; and now I get alerted (knotify)
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; when there is a push committed)
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; also what are you using for mqtt
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; and run a command to check the difss, with colour
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; https://mqtt.org/software/
08:36 TR Bot; Software
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; *diffs
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, its not an application, its a protocol
08:36 TR News; Windows TCO https://www.voanews.com/a/irnian-nationals-charged-in-hacking-campaign-/6747347.html | Source: VOA News
08:36 TR Bot; Three Iranian Hackers Charged in 'Ransomware-Style' Hacking Campaign
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; mosquito
08:36 highest_cubist_thrills; /me nods
08:36 TR News; Windows TCO https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3642985-doj-indicts-iranians-for-allegedly-hacking-and-extorting-us-groups/ | Source: The Hill
08:36 TR Bot; DOJ indicts Iranians for allegedly hacking and extorting US groups | The Hill
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; https://www.mosquitto.org/
08:37 TR Bot; Eclipse Mosquitto
08:37 TR News; Microsoft Windows should NOT BE BAILED OUT. It's a national security THREAT. It's a yoke on taxpayers, aside from the bailouts.
08:37 highest_cubist_thrills; An open source MQTT broker <- oh good
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; obligatory microsoft repo https://github.com/eclipse/mosquitto
08:38 TR Bot; - eclipse/mosquitto: Eclipse Mosquitto - An open source MQTT broker
08:38 TR News; [Old] Signing Git Commits with Your SSH Key https://calebhearth.com/sign-git-with-ssh | Source: Caleb Hearth
08:38 TR Bot; Signing Git Commits with Your SSH Key
08:38 highest_cubist_thrills; you know if hitler had been this successful they would be speaking german in china by now
08:38 TR News; "To be clear, Im not trying to land on one side of the identity debate or another." https://blog.eldrid.ge/2022/08/12/online-identity-is-complicated/ |
08:38 TR Bot; Online Identity is Complicated | Eldridge's Blog
08:38 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: or japanese
08:38 schestowitz[TR]; hitler had a 'branch' in east asia
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; /me nods
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; he has an active branch in techrights too
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; it lays low
08:39 highest_cubist_thrills; rofl
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; underground cell
08:40 highest_cubist_thrills; the two nazis at techrights
08:40 TR News; Personal Information Protection Commission https://www.reuters.com/technology/skorea-fines-google-meta-over-accusations-privacy-law-violations-yonhap-2022-09-14/ | Source: Reuters
08:40 TR Bot; fines Google, Meta billions of won for privacy violations | Reuters
08:40 highest_cubist_thrills; dont feel bad, im sure libera has more
08:40 highest_cubist_thrills; /me isnt even kidding
08:40 TR News; "collecting and analysing" https://today.rtl.lu/news/business-and-tech/a/1966014.html | Source: RTL
08:40 TR Bot; RTL Today - Gathering personal information : Google, Meta face record fines in South Korea over privacy violations
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: it's about %
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; anyone they never self-identify
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; they also have a special pronound
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; shit/it
08:41 highest_cubist_thrills; herr/hein
08:41 TR News; "South Korea has fined Google and Meta more than $71 million collectively for gathering users' personal information without consent for tailored ads" https://www.rfi.fr/en/business-and-tech/20220914-google-meta-face-record-fines-in-south-korea-over-privacy-violations | Source: RFI
08:41 TR Bot; Google, Meta face record fines in South Korea over privacy violations
08:42 TR News; "South Korea levied millions of dollars in fines on Alphabet's Google and Meta Platforms for privacy law violations" https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/south-korea-fines-google-meta-billions-won-privacy-violations-2936961 | Source: CNA
08:42 TR Bot; South Korea fines Google, Meta billions of won for privacy violations - CNA
08:42 TR News; "Regulators said the majority of the users in South Korea -- 82 percent for Google and 98 percent for Meta -- had unknowingly allowed them to collect data" https://www.barrons.com/news/google-meta-face-record-fines-in-south-korea-over-privacy-violations-01663138807 | Source: Barrons
08:42 TR Bot; Google, Meta Face Record Fines In South Korea Over Privacy Violations | Barron's
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; herr/NEIN!
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; nicht/shit
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, schitt
08:43 highest_cubist_thrills; sheisse?
08:45 TR News; "Many right-wing voters voice concern that an Islamist party has become popular among immigrants." https://nordicmonitor.com/2022/09/pro-erdogan-islamist-party-in-sweden-raises-concern-as-highly-voted-in-immigrant-districts/ |
08:45 TR Bot; Pro-Erdoan Islamist party in Sweden sparks concerns after it receives large number of votes in immigrant districts - Nordic Monitor
08:46 TR News; "The obvious solution is to move production out to sea" https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/09/08/irelands-dreams-of-exporting-wind-power-are-plausible | Source: The Economist
08:46 TR Bot; dreams of exporting wind power are plausible | The Economist
08:46 TR News; "the Iru co-generation power plant, which has a capacity of 94 megawatt, is unlikely to produce electricity this year" https://news.err.ee/1608715750/eesti-energia-estonia-cannot-produce-enough-electricity-during-peak-hours | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling
08:46 TR Bot; Eesti Energia: Estonia cannot produce enough electricity during peak hours | News | ERR
08:47 TR News; "ultra-emission event" https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/scientists-refute-pemex-denial-methane/ | Source: Mexico News Daily
08:47 TR Bot; Scientists refute Pemex regarding massive methane leak
08:48 TR News; "An official in one Somali region described famished people walking long distances with children on their shoulders to escape" https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220913-half-a-million-children-on-somalia-face-acute-malnutrition/ | Source: Middle East Monitor
08:48 TR Bot; Half a million children on Somalia face acute malnutrition Middle East Monitor
08:48 TR News; "stop taking water out of the Sacramento" https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/water-and-drought/article265728076.html | Source: California
08:48 TR News; "At present, whatever water one state gets, another can expect to lose" https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/3643208-can-we-save-the-diminishing-colorado-river/ | Source: The Hill
↺ https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/3643208-can-we-save-the-diminishing-colorado-river/
08:49 TR News; "But is a population slowdown as much of a crisis as some have made it out to be, or could it actually bring welcome changes?" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/opinion/population-birthrate-decline.html | Source: New York Times
08:49 TR News; "Winner said she was motivated to act on a belief that the American public wasn't getting the full truth." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/reality-winner-imprisoned-leaking-classified-report-calls-case-trump-i-rcna46683 | Source: NBC
08:50 TR News; "Moscow has covertly funded political parties, officials and politicians in at least two dozen nations across four continents since 2014" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-spent-millions-secretly-interfering-foreign-politics-us-intel-rcna47631 | Source: NBC
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08:50 TR News; "Among Zatko's most serious accusations is that Twitter violated the terms of a 2011 FTC settlement" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/enterprise-services-and-applications/why-twitters-former-security-head-is-testifying/94210849 | Source: India Times
08:51 TR News; Twitter = a fraud (like Musk). "Peiter Zatko, who was fired from Twitter in January due to performance issues, blew the whistle on the company last month" https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/09/twitter-whistleblower-says-company-needs-to-work-to-permanently-delete-user-data/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
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08:52 TR News; Misinformation. "The contract between the Communication and Citizenry Council of Nicaragua, the country's state media conglomerate" https://www.voanews.com/a/nicaragua-cuts-deal-with-kremlin-station-sputnik-to-air-content-/6747611.html | Source: VOA News
08:52 TR Bot; Nicaragua Cuts Deal With Kremlin Station Sputnik to Air Content
08:52 TR News; Misinformation kills. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-man-killed-wife-went-rabbit-hole-conspiracy-theories-trumps-2-rcna47701 | Source: NBC
08:52 TR Bot; Michigan man who killed his wife went down a 'rabbit hole' of conspiracy theories after Trump's 2020 loss, daughter says
08:54 TR News; Censorship: "signed by 28 Muslim organizations and mosques in Alberta calling for May's resignation over comments he made in a book in 2009" https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-justice-minister-asks-human-rights-chief-to-step-down-after-calls-from-muslim-community-1.6065959 |
08:54 TR Bot; Collin May asked to resign from Alberta Human Rights Commission | CTV News
08:54 TR News; Censorship follows: "anti-monarchy sentiment continues to be expressed in tandem with the countrys mourning period." https://www.teenvogue.com/story/anti-monarchy-protests-uk-sep | Source: Teen Vogue
08:54 TR Bot; Anti-Royal Family Protesters Are Being Arrested in the UK | Teen Vogue
08:55 TR News; "400 workers there will vote on whether to join the upstart Amazon Labor Union" https://text.npr.org/1122958027 | Source: BillPR
08:55 TR Bot; Amazon warehouse workers in Albany will vote on unionization in October
08:56 TR News; "He was shot and killed by one officer while he remained in the front seat." https://www.cpr.org/2022/09/13/clear-creek-county-deputies-shooting-parent-interview/ |
08:56 TR Bot; They should be protecting us, not attacking us: Parents of man killed by Clear Creek County deputies speak out | Colorado Public Radio
08:56 TR News; "From beginning to end, the officers escalated and proactively initiated force [...] The act of simply calling 911 for help cannot be a death sentence" https://www.cpr.org/2022/09/13/clear-creek-county-deputies-shooting/ |
08:56 TR Bot; Clear Creek County deputies shoot and kill man who asked for help after car crash | Colorado Public Radio
08:57 TR News; "Rathod said Glass had no history of mental illness." https://coloradosun.com/2022/09/13/family-colorado-man-shot-wants-accountability/ |
08:57 TR Bot; Family of Colorado man shot by police wants accountability
08:58 TR News; "That term refers to a spectrum of exploitative practices like forced labor, forced marriage and human trafficking." https://text.npr.org/1122714064 | Source: BillPR http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
08:58 TR Bot; No region is 'immune' as the number of people in 'modern slavery' climbs to 50 million
08:58 TR Bot; Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 10.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 100.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 110.53
08:59 TR News; "now a group of Muslim men are reported to have barged in a school brandishing firearms and threatened Hindu girls to fall to their friendship proposals." https://www.firstpost.com/india/ranchi-muslim-youth-barge-in-school-with-firearms-tell-hindu-girls-to-be-their-friends-or-get-kidnapped-11229951.html | Source: Firstpost
08:59 TR Bot; Ranchi: Muslim youth barge in school with firearms, tell Hindu girls to be their friends or get kidnapped
08:59 TR News; "We have not found any evidence that that individual engaged in such an activity" https://text.npr.org/1122977386 | Source: BillR
08:59 TR Bot; BYU apologizes to a banned fan, saying it found no proof they yelled racial slurs
09:00 TR News; Monopolies https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3643072-california-sues-amazon-alleges-tech-giant-stifled-competition/ | Source: The Hill
09:00 TR Bot; California sues Amazon, alleges tech giant stifled competition | The Hill
09:00 TR News; "The lawsuit, filed by state Attorney General Rob Bonta, focuses on the way Amazon the largest online retailer deals with third-party merchants, who account for most of the sales on the platform." https://text.npr.org/1122995430 | Source: NPR
09:00 TR Bot; California sues Amazon, alleging its policies cause higher prices everywhere
09:01 TR News; Gulag "will have to face most of the Texas-led antitrust case over the tech giants ad dominance, a judge ruled Tuesday." https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3642494-google-must-face-most-of-texas-led-antitrust-case-court-says/ | Source: The Hill
09:01 TR Bot; Google must face most of Texas-led antitrust case, court says | The Hill
09:01 TR News; "The EU General Court largely concurred with the Commission's conclusion that [Gulag] had acted unfairly" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/google-suffers-setback-in-court-fight-against-eu-fine/94210828 | Source: India Times
09:01 TR Bot; Google EU fine: Google suffers setback in court fight against EU fine, CIO News, ET CIO
09:02 TR News; "commissions decision that [Gulag] imposed unlawful restrictions" https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/eu-gives-google-little-relief-in-verdict-on-record-fine-appeal.html | Source: IT Wire
09:02 TR Bot; - EU gives Google little relief in verdict on record fine appeal
09:02 TR News; "The court, however, said the fine should be slightly reduced to 4.125 billion euros ($4.1 billion), instead of the 4.3 billion euros" https://today.rtl.lu/news/business-and-tech/a/1966063.html | Source: RTL
09:02 TR Bot; RTL Today - 4.125 billion euros: Google handed setback as EU court upholds record fine
09:02 TR News; "The General Court largely confirms the Commission's decision that [Gulag] imposed unlawful restrictions on manufacturers of Android" https://www.reuters.com/technology/eu-courts-wed-ruling-record-44-bln-google-fine-may-set-precedent-2022-09-14/ | Source: Reuters
09:02 TR Bot; loses challenge against EU antitrust decision, other probes loom | Reuters
09:03 TR News; "A ruling on Wednesday by Europes General Court on whether Alphabet [agency]s [Gulag] should face a record EU antitrust fine of 4.34 billion euro" https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/eu-courts-ruling-on-record-4-4-bn-google-fine-may-set-precedent-8149944/ | Source: Indian Express
09:03 TR Bot; EU court's ruling on record $4.4 bn Google fine may set precedent
09:03 mjg59_; 08:29 < schestowitz[TR]> mjg59_: it goes back years, e.g. 2019
09:03 TR News; "The Commission in its 2018 decision said [Gulag] used Android to cement its dominance in general internet search via payments" https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-09-14/eu-courts-wed-ruling-on-record-4-4-billion-google-fine-may-set-precedent | Source: US News And World Report
09:03 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: That's talking about using SSH to auth to a git server, not to sign commits with
09:03 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> [Old] Signing Git Commits with Your SSH Key https://calebhearth.com/sign-git-with-ssh | Source: Caleb Hearth
09:04 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Also, the word "certificate" doesn't appear in that post at all
09:04 TR News; "A group of U.S. lawmakers wants domain name registry Verisign to help tackle online piracy" https://torrentfreak.com/us-lawmakers-urge-verisign-to-help-tackle-online-piracy-220914/ | Source: Torrent Freak
09:04 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Keys are not certificates
09:05 mjg59_; As someone who apparently knows more about security than me, I'm sure you know that already
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09:05 TR News; "widespread disparities involving not just students of color" https://www.propublica.org/article/state-investigation-reveals-racial-disparities-in-student-discipline-and-police-involvement | Source: Pro Publica
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; roy used to work for the nsa, until they figured out he wasnt american and asked him to go work for gchq instead
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; "how did you even get in here"
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; "i used a backdoor"
09:06 TR News; "Today I got a rely from an old posting I made on the Fediverse. That post links to an article from a local newspaper that wrote about the fact that I regularly ride a penny around Oslo, along with other 'weird' cycles." gemini://ruario.flounder.online/journal-extract-2022-09-11-1053.gmi
09:06 highest_cubist_thrills; "wow. but seriously, go back to the uk"
09:07 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: a digital wormhole
09:07 highest_cubist_thrills; your words, not mine
09:07 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Can you point at any previous evidence that git supported SSH certificates for commit signing?
09:08 highest_cubist_thrills; this will never work, mjg
09:09 TR News; "Thirty-two states and the District of Columbia have enacted commonsense anti-SLAPP legislation." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/house-dems-target-big-oil-weaponizing-law-against-protesters-block-climate-action | Source: Common Dreams
09:09 TR News; Sanders Blocks GOP Bill https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/strike-looms-sanders-blocks-gop-bill-force-rail-workers-deal-no-sick-days | Source: Common Dreams
09:10 TR News; Banned https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/14/jailed-russian-opposition-politician-alexey-navalny-s-fellow-prisoners-banned-from-looking-at-him | Source: Meduza (maybe navalny IS a meduza)
09:11 TR News; Putin turns 70 next month, but he already wets his diapers in his 60s.
09:11 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Or do you enjoy just making uninformed assertions about people?
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; /me has seen people die before the admitted such trivial things
09:11 highest_cubist_thrills; in the land of bullshit, reality has no teeth
09:12 highest_cubist_thrills; however at least in this instance theres an element of karma
09:13 TR News; MinceR: can it be made of GLASS? https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/14/the-russians-are-in-the-pantry-the-new-mini-statue-of-sculptor-mihaly-kolodko-installed-in-the-capital | Source: Telex (Hungary)
09:13 mjg59_; Yeah I appreciate people disagreeing with me as long as the disagreement is based on reality
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; you lie a lot
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; and we're vindicated about it
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; time and time again
09:14 highest_cubist_thrills; bye, reality
09:14 mjg59_; So where is the evidence of git supporting signatures using SSH certificates
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; "mjg doesn't know something" -> "the world does not know something"
09:14 schestowitz[TR]; there is a word for it
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; lol, your OWN post admits you were WRONG
09:15 highest_cubist_thrills; /me wastes time looking it up
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; just modify the title of your blog post
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; "I WAS WRONG."
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; "I get my info from TWEETS"
09:15 schestowitz[TR]; true story
09:16 schestowitz[TR]; some scjone or something
09:16 mjg59_; Yeah uh did you spot the bit where git doesn't actually do this
09:16 mjg59_; So you need external tooling
09:16 TR News; Why I left public education after 13 years https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/14/why-i-left-public-education-after-13-years-a-teachers-story | Source: Telex (Hungary)
09:16 mjg59_; And can you then point at the evidence that anyone has previously implemented that external tooling
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; From "I was wrong" to "I am all-knowing"
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; now, this does say keys, not certs
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; GitHub commit verification using SSH keys - DEV Community
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; dev.to/pwd9000/github-commit-verification-using-ssh-2pim
09:17 highest_cubist_thrills; To enable SSH commit verification you can either use an existing SSH key or generate a new SSH key: Open a command terminal and run: $ ssh-keygen -t ed25519 -C "your_email@example.com" If you use the defaults for the above command in Windows it will save your SSH key in the path: /c/Users/you/.ssh/id_algorithm
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; From "I didn't know I could do this" to "I am GURU at this thing!!"
09:17 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Yeah key support is well known, but doesn't solve the problem I was trying to solve
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; like dfc says,
09:17 schestowitz[TR]; SUUUUUPER GEEEENIUS
09:17 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: I can't find any evidence that people had tried to use certificate support before
09:18 highest_cubist_thrills; i certainly dont have any
09:18 highest_cubist_thrills; why certificates instead of keys?
09:18 mjg59_; And, like I said, git is actually broken if you try to use certificates right now - looks like openssh 9.0 fixes that
09:19 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: If you want to do key verification you need a database of every legitimate key
09:19 highest_cubist_thrills; and a cert absttracts that in a practical way?
09:19 mjg59_; Yeah
09:19 TR News; More unions = lower class reasserting control over oligarchs, to some extent. What we needed! https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/14/teachers-unions-turn-to-european-court-of-human-rights-about-their-right-to-strike | Source: Telex (Hungary)
09:19 highest_cubist_thrills; ok
09:19 mjg59_; You have one authority where your user shows you their key and their auth and you give them a certificate
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 TR News; "We speak with journalist and activist Eamonn McCann about Queen Elizabeth IIs legacy in Ireland and the impact of her recent death on the prospects of Irish unification." https://www.democracynow.org/2022/9/14/queen_elizabeth_iis_legacy_ireland_northern | Source: Democracy Now
09:20 mjg59_; And then everything else just verifies that the certificate has the right signature on it
09:20 mjg59_; So all that knowledge lives in one place
09:20 highest_cubist_thrills; roy is against all such centralisation, or seems to imply it often enough
09:20 highest_cubist_thrills; i cant entirely blame him, if its sincere
09:20 mjg59_; Otherwise you need everything that validates keys to know the good keys
09:21 mjg59_; So we built a service that just issues SSH certs, and then we can verify those for SSHing into services
09:21 highest_cubist_thrills; ok
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, cars should not do certificate
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; and "aurtora" should be out of business
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; reselling shit
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; to cars that will kill peopl
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; even innocent pedestrians
09:21 mjg59_; But without having to add anything else we can also use the same certificates for verifying git
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; all that remoe control BS is insane
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; and product of lobbying (lying)
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; false promises
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; voting machines= go back to paper
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; shops = hired cashiers
09:22 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Point at the previous documented use of SSH certificates to sign git commits
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; cars = no connection
09:22 highest_cubist_thrills; cars definitely shouldnt vote
09:22 schestowitz[TR]; electric syste, fine. lights and all
09:22 highest_cubist_thrills; i know i sound old fashioned now
09:23 highest_cubist_thrills; thats just how i was raised
09:23 mjg59_; Oh yeah the idea that cars should talk to each other on the road and vote about what the right thing to do is is a terrible idea
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; a word was made up for it: technofascism
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; or techno-fetishism
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; people who mix tech with sex, that's another one
09:23 schestowitz[TR]; worse than food and sex
09:23 mjg59_; v2v is just not a good idea
09:23 TR News; Trademarks https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/luka-doncics-trademark-dispute-with-his-mother-is-in-uncharted-trademark-territory/ | Source: Techdirt
09:24 mjg59_; Vibrators and sex are worse than food and sex?
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; people who mix tech with sex, that's another one <- whats the alternative
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/19/0447209
09:24 schestowitz[TR]; same for cars
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> Vibrators and sex are worse than food and sex? <- im going to call this the cucumber / vibrator dickotomy
09:24 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean dichotomy (whoops)
09:25 mjg59_; My experience in general is that vibrators work better than cucumbers
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; Vibrators are just mechanics
09:25 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Oh, you're not up to date
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> My experience in general is that vibrators work better than cucumbers <- it depends on what youre trying to do
09:25 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Yeah I wouldn't use a vibrator in a salad
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; i find vibrators to be absolutely terrible in salads
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; the technofascism/techno-fetishismfolks try to go neyond that
09:25 mjg59_; Ha
09:25 highest_cubist_thrills; well, now i have to kill myself
09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; but it was funny anyway
09:26 mjg59_; Plenty of Bluetooth-enabled vibrators now
09:26 TR News; Newsom https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/gavin-newsom-signs-hugely-problematic-transparency-bill-into-law/ | Source: Techdirt
09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; bluetooth enabled salads wont be far behind
09:26 mjg59_; And buttplug.io supports a whole range of things
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09:26 highest_cubist_thrills; gitbutt
09:27 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd-buttplugd
09:27 mjg59_; So hardly just mechanical
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; surveillance back door
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; in your back doors
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; enjoy yoiur back doors
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; but not TOO much
09:27 mjg59_; I do enjoy my back door, thanks
09:28 schestowitz[TR]; too much info
09:28 TR News; Kharkiv https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/14/ukrainian-prosecutor-general-s-office-says-no-russian-teachers-detained-in-liberated-territories | Source: Meduza
09:28 TR Bot; NO TITLE
09:28 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uxX18WZ6Glw
09:28 TR Bot; The Doors - Back Door Man - Invidious
09:28 TR News; "A complex situation" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/14/a-complex-situation-ukrainian-troops-approach-the-luhansk-people-s-republic | Source: Meduza
09:28 TR Bot; NO TITLE
09:28 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HqKXXiNl3TQ
09:28 mjg59_; So, again, where did anyone talk about SSH certificates being used to sign git commits before this week?
09:28 TR Bot; The Best Of The Doors - Invidious
09:28 schestowitz[TR]; I caught up with The Doors a week ago
09:29 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: you 'discovered' America
09:29 schestowitz[TR]; like Columbus
09:29 TR News; Kavanaugh https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/judge-blocks-no-recording-cops-within-8-feet-law-even-arizona-cops-dont-want-to-defend/ | Source: Techdirt
09:29 TR Bot; Blocks No Recording Cops Within 8 Feet Law Even Arizona Cops Dont Want To Defend | Techdirt
09:30 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: So point to the previous work
09:30 TR News; "the Elon Musk/Twitter saga has been excellent (his coverage of most things has been excellent" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/twitter-shareholders-approve-sale-of-the-company-to-some-dude-who-still-doesnt-understand-he-signed-a-binding-contract-to-buy-it/ | Source: Techdirt
09:30 TR Bot; Shareholders Approve Sale Of The Company To Some Dude Who Still Doesnt Understand He Signed A Binding Contract To Buy It | Techdirt
09:30 highest_cubist_thrills; imagine if columbus had reinvented the wheel
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; his ship probably would have sunk
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; it wasn't even his ship
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; he just got sent by the Church
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; reportedly raped lots of little girlsa
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; but the US devotes a day to him every year
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; could have worked for microsoft
09:31 schestowitz[TR]; Bill <3
09:31 highest_cubist_thrills; its a widely known fact that the usa is insane
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; Columbus was teaching them
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; like drPizza did
09:32 schestowitz[TR]; and then going inside them
09:32 highest_cubist_thrills; ive spent a couple of decades looking for a place thats less crazy though
09:32 mixling; signing git-commits can be accomplished with gpg, not ssh
09:32 mixling; ssh can be used to authenticate access to git repository, gpg to sign tags/commits
09:33 mjg59_; mixling: SSH keys can be used to sign commits
09:33 highest_cubist_thrills; im pretty convinced it doesnt even work that way
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; we do ssh for git
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; git:// is ssh://
09:33 mixling; mjg59_: didn't know that
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; it's not a big leap to do everything git with openssh
09:33 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Please point at the previous discussion about using SSH certificates to sign git commits
09:34 highest_cubist_thrills; /me wants to grep the logs to see if roy has ever referred to himself in the first person but cant be arsed
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; eaton debating tactgics
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; *eton
09:34 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> I caught up with The Doors a week ago <- if anyone thought i missed it
09:34 TR News; Colorado https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/colorado-residents-lose-control-of-their-smart-thermostats-swelter-in-88-degree-heat/ | Source: Techdirt
09:34 TR Bot; Residents Lose Control Of Their Smart Thermostats, Swelter In 88 Degree Heat | Techdirt
09:35 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: What, asking you to justify a claim is restricted to eton?
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; exceptions stand out like a sore thumb on fire
09:35 TR News; Citing RMS (new, last night) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=cmuKlMnvvBI
09:35 TR Bot; Imagine Letting a Power Company Control Your Thermostat - Invidious
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; /me read it this way the first time and had to go back:
09:35 highest_cubist_thrills; We caught up with The Doors a week ago
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: can andrew sweat?
09:36 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: You asserted that I should have known that git already supported using SSH certificates for commit signing. Where is the evidence to support that claim?
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; (how to shift focus)
09:36 mixling; when was this implemented to sign git commits with ssh-keys?
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: can andrew sweat?
09:36 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: You asserted that I should have known that git already supported using SSH certificates for commit signing. Where is the evidence to support that claim?
09:36 mjg59_; mixling: Last year, when ssh-keygen gained the ability to sign and verify things
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1545044/prince-andrew-sweating-claim-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-giuffre-spt
09:36 TR Bot; Andrew sweating claim left expert baffled: 'Would make you sweat MORE' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; the REAL issue
09:36 highest_cubist_thrills; apparently he can https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sweat
09:36 TR Bot; Andrew Sweat - Wikipedia
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10357597/Prince-Andrew-accuser-demands-provide-medical-evidence-sweat.html
09:36 TR Bot; Prince Andrew accuser demands he provide medical evidence that he can't sweat | Daily Mail Online
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; he probably did while playing football
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; Waitr, the queens's son had a scanal
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; it's about... sweat
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10357597/Prince-Andrew-accuser-demands-provide-medical-evidence-sweat.html
09:37 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Ok the fact that you refuse to support your claim is evidence that your claim is false is that ok
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; BillBC https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-sweat-allegations-pizza-expresss-a9208496.html
09:37 TR Bot; Prince Andrew claimed he didnt sweat in BBC interview... but what does science say? | The Independent | The Independent
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; BillBC: we help cover up for Bill Gates
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; the bigger enabler of Jeffrey Epstein
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; le't taslk about sweat, baby!
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; the bigger enabler of Jeffrey Epstein
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; Ok the fact that you refuse to support your claim is evidence that your claim is false is that ok <- that wouldnt work in the usa
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; they would have to use parallel construction
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; sweatgate
09:37 highest_cubist_thrills; and fusion centres
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; queen in trouble
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; her son's weatr
09:38 highest_cubist_thrills; well, shes dead
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; not his son sticking his dick in little girls
09:38 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: When challenged you start talking about something else
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; he has a sweat issue
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; did bill agtes wweat?
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; I saw reports he fainted
09:38 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Did you lie?
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; when people found out about him and Jeffd
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; but can he SWEAT?
09:39 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LaTGrV58wec
09:39 TR Bot; Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now) (Official HD Video) - Invidious
09:39 TR News; ATM Skimmers. Proprietary crap in action. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/09/say-hello-to-crazy-thin-deep-insert-atm-skimmers/ | Source: Krebs On Security
09:39 TR Bot; Say Hello to Crazy Thin Deep Insert ATM Skimmers Krebs on Security
09:39 highest_cubist_thrills; as lovely as the model is, its martha wash singing
09:39 highest_cubist_thrills; once again
09:40 TR News; CNN at it again... https://fair.org/home/action-alert-crime-claims-of-cnns-new-police-expert-dont-hold-up-to-facts/ | Source: FAIR
09:40 TR Bot; ACTION ALERT: Crime Claims of CNN's New Police Expert Don't Hold Up to Facts - FAIR
09:40 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Why do you keep saying things about me that you can't support?
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; your own post says you were wrongm
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; you were wrong
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; admit it
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; own it
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; sdon't sweat
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; sweating leads to ballmerism
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; btw did microsoft offer you a job when ballmer was ceo?
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; or after?
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; when they chose another snake?
09:41 highest_cubist_thrills; say what you will about mjg, i dont picture him buying a basketball team and rubbing their thighs in the middle of a game
09:42 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Can you point at the evidence that means I *should* have known about this?
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; ballmer is flamboyant
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; he didn't want to miss out
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; even during pandemic
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; rubbing people
09:42 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Given that git itself will actually fail if you use SSH certificates
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; he assumes he owns them
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; he also assumed he "OWNED" Linux
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; the cancer
09:42 highest_cubist_thrills; they should have explained that you dont actually "own" the players themselves
09:42 highest_cubist_thrills; but i didnt see the contract
09:43 highest_cubist_thrills; im pretty sure theres an amendment
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: not you just rephrase
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; *now
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; the team is not just the players
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; I dread thinking what goes on in the chasing rooms
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; Maybe another Soule
09:44 mjg59_; Does git support signing with SSH certificates? No, because it can't verify those signatures.
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; come on come on come on now touch me baby
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; or you are fired
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; come on baby light my fired [sic]
09:44 mjg59_; So the fact that it can be made to do so if you do the verification out of band is not an obvious thing to know
09:44 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KnEXrbAQyIo
09:44 TR Bot; Snoop Dogg - 'Sweat' Snoop Dogg vs David Guetta (Remix) [Official Video] - Invidious
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; (Doors ref)
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; chasing rooms LOL
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; funny typo
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; I meant chasging roomw
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; hen connie and steve are chasing skitts and men
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; *skirts
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; or men in skirts
09:46 schestowitz[TR]; not sure what steve is into
09:46 highest_cubist_thrills; come on baby light my fire <- youre not even trying
09:46 highest_cubist_thrills; come show me the way to the next little girl!
09:46 highest_cubist_thrills; how dont ask why, how dont ask why
09:46 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8lVqEchxIxw
09:46 TR Bot; The Doors - Touch Me - Invidious
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jKU74Uns9_0&listen=false
09:47 TR Bot; Light My Fire - Invidious
09:47 highest_cubist_thrills; what was that promise that you made
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; ballmer understands boundaries
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; when you are in my basketball team's voundaries I won you
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; do what I tell you or I call immigration
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; now come come come now touch me baby
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; "can't you ssee what I am not afraid"
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; my friend billg gets away with everything
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; ballmer knows boundaries
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; he knows what's his
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; like "prince" andrew knew he "owned" all the peasants
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; inc. young girls
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; charges?
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; no sweat
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; they took about 10 million from taxpayers
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; took about 20 pence from me and rianne
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; so the "monarchy" can go on with the jeffrey epstein burden
09:49 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uc2UEfWjvo8
09:49 TR Bot; Inner Circle - Sweat (A La La Long) - Invidious
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; and billg is still lobbying and bribing papers
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; after all that
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; in 2022 jim zemlin still quotes him like a source of inspiration for linus
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; "linus is adorable... like my daughter"
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; his daughter is about 15 I think
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; maybe that's when billg still has a lust for girls
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; not sure, not clear
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; the media no longer investigates
09:51 schestowitz[TR]; maybe one day jim and sheela will look upm "bill gates neverland"
09:52 TR News; China.. and NYTimes being COVIDiots https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/14/nyt-scolds-china-for-not-learning-to-live-or-die-with-covid/ | Source: Scheerpost
09:52 TR Bot; Scolds China for Not Learning to Liveor DieWith Covid scheerpost.com
09:52 highest_cubist_thrills; honestly the lf galas would be so much more amazing if they could lease jeffs old estate
09:52 TR News; In 2022 the oligarchs' media is COVID-19 deniers. 2 years ago that same media used that term against the population. Before it passed some new and very oppressive laws.
09:52 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure zemlin has his own temple to whatever tiki thing epstein was into
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: the budget fell
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; but you can drop a proposal in the proposals box
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; they already completed a move to central SF
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/linux-foundation-has-moved/
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; if i see bkhun ill mention it
09:53 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Has Moved to More Expensive Offices, Based on IRS Papers | Techrights
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; revenue sank
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; but they moved to a better HQ
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; to show off
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; "and none of you have heard of ME"
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/What-the-Tech-Industry-Has-Learned-from-Linus-Torvalds_-Jim-Zemlin-at-TEDxConcordia-U-Portland.mp4
09:55 TR News; The Russia-Ukraine war is only being won by the arms industry (suppliers).
09:55 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Can you point at a single previously published example of using SSH certificates to sign git commits
09:55 TR News; Misinformation https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/14/the-misinformation-campaign-that-killed-chiles-progressive-new-constitution/ | Source: Scheerpost
09:55 TR Bot; Misinformation Campaign That Killed Chiles Progressive New Constitution scheerpost.com
09:55 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: you have become borning
09:55 schestowitz[TR]; *boring
09:55 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: So point at such an example
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; your post admits you were wrong
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; stop projecting
09:56 mjg59_; It is true that I was unaware of a thing!
09:56 mjg59_; Now point at the evidence that I *should* have been aware of the thing
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=voQ4rfKI4iE
09:56 TR Bot; Justin Timberlake - Mirrors (Lyrics) - Invidious
09:57 *schestowitz[TR] clicks
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; never heard it
09:57 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: You know, maybe we should just have a live debate some time
09:58 mjg59_; The two of us, questions from an impartial party, audience decides who wins
09:58 TR News; "Government officials may say acceptable things when pressed for comment by journalists, oversight, and members of the public" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/cbp-branch-retweets-disgraced-bigoted-trump-advisor-gets-account-locked-down-by-cbp-commissioner/ | Source: Techdirt
09:58 TR Bot; Branch Retweets Disgraced, Bigoted Trump Advisor, Gets Account Locked Down By CBP Commissioner | Techdirt
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; Justin Timberlake was in our gym a few times
09:58 highest_cubist_thrills; everyone is a winner
09:58 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Sound like fun to you?
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; me, him, his two guards
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; I didn't recognise him at first
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; they shave and put make-up on them
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; pop music... so plastic
09:59 mixling; lol
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: I don't debate with bullies
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; like in 2006 when I went on the radio about OOXML
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; and then miguel de icaza called in
09:59 highest_cubist_thrills; /me giggles
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> FLOSS Weekly is compromised. After bringing in Bill Gates minions and Microsoft minions for openwashing they now bring Miguel de Icaza https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/698 http://techrights.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#2022
09:59 TR Bot; Miguel de Icaza
09:59 TR Bot; Miguel de Icaza - Techrights
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> FLOSS Weekly calls a man who attacked Linux on behalf of Microsoft a "Linux legend".
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; maybe floss weekly can have you on
10:00 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: What's your definition of a bully?
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; "Linux legend"
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft 'secure' boot
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: let's see
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; you defamed me
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; threatened me
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; stalk me in several IRC channels
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; se4veral
10:00 schestowitz[TR]; looking for dirt on me
10:00 mjg59_; When did I defame you?
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; many times
10:01 mjg59_; Such as?
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; breakfast ready, biab
10:01 mjg59_; k, I'll wait
10:02 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AGllDHpOGoo
10:02 *Redfoxmoon (~Red@freenode-vq3.aj5.jaj210.IP) has joined #techrights
10:02 TR Bot; Tevin Campbell Round & Round (Audio) - Invidious
10:08 *schestowitz[TR] back
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; with food
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; you have your little twitter routine
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; you take some horrible accusation
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; not related to tech
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; and attribute it to your targst
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; you did this to RMS and LT
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; then you started doing this to me too
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; christopher punches says you do this to many people
10:09 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qDc_5zpBj7s
10:09 TR Bot; Meghan Trainor - Lips Are Movin (Official Music Video) - Invidious
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; and that michelle gellar does the same
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; which I don't know much about
10:09 highest_cubist_thrills; buffy?
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; buffy lovecruft
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, it is never about tech
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; they take on techies
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; from non-tech angle
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; because they'd lose the techno-ethical argumeent
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; so they need another angle
10:10 schestowitz[TR]; look what they did to t'so
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; to many people tso is like, who the fuck is THIS?"
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; he's low-profile
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; busy doing ext
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; but to some people he's now known not for what he wrotew about bush's war crimes
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; but something about factual rape stats
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; which were spun as him being thick and cold towards women
10:11 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, he brought it up in relation to the war crimes
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; but cannot recall what he said as much as the ad hominem
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; brought up again when a new LF CoC was erected
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; immediately tried to oust him
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; using some old mailing list nostalgia
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; just comes to prove a point
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; of course all this is connected to mjg59_
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; because you can easily see, out in the open, his liaisons
10:13 TR News; "Custer became in death a martyr to the American empire." https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/14/the-chris-hedges-report-nathaniel-philbrick-on-how-george-armstrong-custer-became-a-martyr-used-to-justify-genocide-and-us-imperialism/ | Source: Scheerpost
10:13 TR Bot; Chris Hedges Report: Nathaniel Philbrick on How George Armstrong Custer Became a Martyr Used to Justify Genocide and US Imperialism scheerpost.com
10:13 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ujnq2v6R02U
10:13 TR Bot; Janet Jackson - Nasty (Official Music Video) - Invidious
10:13 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: So cool, we can debate in a neutral space
10:13 schestowitz[TR]; I'm busy
10:14 mjg59_; Not too busy to falsely criticise me
10:14 TR News; Laser Engraver https://hackaday.com/2022/09/14/mokeylaser-a-diy-laser-engraver-that-you-can-easily-build/ | Source: Hackaday
10:14 TR Bot; A DIY Laser Engraver That You Can Easily Build | Hackaday
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; you dodged responding to the above
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; you found no factual stament there
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; to rebut
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; so you changed the subject
10:14 schestowitz[TR]; I do videos every day
10:15 mjg59_; I didn't see anything to respond to
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; setting up dialogues is logistically time-consuming
10:15 mjg59_; Ok! Spend the time you'd use making a video about me debating me instead
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; I don't fear a debate with youi
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; it'd just be a waste of time to set up
10:15 mixling; i would rather discuss, why linux kernel locked against C11 creep, and in worst-case i had to rollback almost 20years to linux-2.4 with tcc-toolchain
10:15 mjg59_; You don't fear it, you just refuse to
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; i still have old recordings of me debating jono bacon
10:15 schestowitz[TR]; but it's not for public
10:16 schestowitz[TR]; i didn't refuse, I said I was busy
10:16 schestowitz[TR]; and it's time-consuming
10:16 schestowitz[TR]; my wqorflow is for obs and webcamoid
10:16 schestowitz[TR]; no "chat" "apps"
10:16 mixling; ouch, almost two decades re-development costs worth a few billions, with linux kernel alone
10:16 mjg59_; You're busy making videos criticising people who have no right to eply
10:16 mjg59_; (reply)
10:17 mjg59_; But you could instead argue against the person you're criticising
10:17 TR News; Ukraine war: Accounts of Russian torture emerge in liberated areas - BillBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62888388 Source: BillBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62888388
10:17 mjg59_; And you refuse to
10:17 TR Bot; Ukraine war: Accounts of Russian torture emerge in liberated areas - BBC News
10:17 mjg59_; Hey look I'll even come to the UK
10:17 mixling; same with GNU-toolchain... undisputed; what's at stake with it
10:18 mjg59_; We can do it in person, appropriately socially distanced
10:18 mjg59_; No need to deal with Zoom
10:18 mjg59_; Or any other proprietary bullshit
10:18 TR News; Triple talaq: India Muslim women in limbo after instant divorce ruling - BillBC News, which is taking bribes from abuser against women, bill gates https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-62805107 Source: BillBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-62805107 http://techrights.org/2010/10/24/lots-of-publicity-for-influence/
10:18 TR Bot; Triple talaq: India Muslim women in limbo after instant divorce ruling - BBC News
10:18 TR Bot; Bill Gates Takes Over Schooling Systems With Help From Oprah, NBC, Other Press for Hire | Techrights
10:18 mjg59_; Just you and me and an impartial questioner somewhere in Manchester
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; I don't want to see you in person
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; you are a dodgy person
10:19 mjg59_; It's not like we're going to be alone in a room together
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; you also trolled Assange
10:19 mjg59_; What do you think I'm going to do?
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; in his haven
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; where he was illegally kisdnapped later
10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
10:20 TR News; Your Mobile is Leaking Location! A-GPS, SUPL, NLP to Google (and Apple) - Cybersecurity https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/location-deep.mp4:9
10:20 TR Bot; Your Mobile is Leaking Location! A-GPS, SUPL, NLP to Google (and Apple) - Cybersecurity
10:21 TR News; "instead of a child, he should have seen the fsf as an exosuit" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-130922.html#tSep%2013%2019:48:23
10:21 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, September 13, 2022
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: you are mean-spirited and manipulative
10:21 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Fco8oPGu5EY
10:21 TR Bot; Freda Payne - Band Of Gold (Stereo) - Invidious
10:21 TR News; KSA and Liz II https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/queen-elizabeth-saudi-arabia-arrests-man-dedicating-pilgrimage
10:21 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/queen-elizabeth-saudi-arabia-arrests-man-dedicating-pilgrimage )
10:23 TR News; How much does the Famous Criminal bribe NYTimes for these puff pieces? "I spoke with him on Sept. 6. Our conversation has been edited for length and clarity." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/13/opinion/environment/bill-gates-climate-change-report.html see https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html
10:23 TR Bot; Opinion | Bill Gates: Were in a Worse Place Than I Expected - The New York Times
10:23 TR Bot; Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times
10:23 TR News; NYTimes: Jefffrey Epstein is cool, as long as you pay us to believe that. Bill Gates is a friend now... or... SPONSOR.
10:24 TR News; NPR: we're not BillPR http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
10:24 TR Bot; Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights
10:24 highest_cubist_thrills; /me has no idea wtf the white girls are doing, but they probably never did it again
10:24 highest_cubist_thrills; its sort of like go-go dancing, but to what song though
10:25 TR News; The monarchys secret weapon: insincerity | The Economist https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/09/14/the-monarchys-secret-weapon-insincerity Source: The Economist | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.economist.com/britain/2022/09/14/the-monarchys-secret-weapon-insincerity https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40809225.html
10:25 TR Bot; monarchys secret weapon: insincerity | The Economist
10:25 TR Bot; 'Are the British public ultimately paying for Andrew to avoid appearing in court?'
10:25 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=51B55OQysj8
10:25 TR Bot; Smokey Robinson & The Miracles - The Tears Of A Clown (Lyric Video) - Invidious
10:25 TR News; Twitter is collapsing under its own weight of lies an fraud https://www.wsj.com/articles/twitter-whistleblower-heads-to-congress-ahead-of-shareholder-vote-on-elon-musks-44-billion-takeover-bid-11663061403?mod=e2tw
10:25 TR Bot; Investors Back Musks Takeover Bid After Whistleblower Testifies in Congress - WSJ
10:26 TR News; "The bloc includes the Sweden Democrats, a far-right party that has campaigned against rising gang [sic] shootings." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62908902
10:26 TR Bot; Magdalena Andersson: Swedish PM resigns as right-wing parties win vote - BBC News
10:26 TR News; iophk: TheVerge does not show articles in chronological order.
10:26 TR News; TheVerge was quietly absorbed. It'll die soon. It exists not for news but for misinformation.
10:28 TR News; The courts, not the pres, should hold Bill Gates accountable for Jeffrey Epstein. At the moment NEITHER is doing that. They take bribes from criminals to enable the crimes.
10:28 TR News; Tribes say North Dakota is tampering with mineral royalties - ABC News https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tribes-north-dakota-tampering-mineral-royalties-89900675 Source: ABC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tribes-north-dakota-tampering-mineral-royalties-89900675
10:28 TR Bot; Tribes say North Dakota is tampering with mineral royalties - ABC News
10:28 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: How am I manipulative?
10:28 schestowitz[TR]; "are you a terrorist?"
10:29 TR News; Microsoft software is built by NSA-serving non-coders who rely on criminals like Bill Gates bribing everyone to spread malware (at the expense of stuff that actually works) https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-teams-stores-auth-tokens-as-cleartext-in-windows-linux-macs/
10:29 TR Bot; Microsoft Teams stores auth tokens as cleartext in Windows, Linux, Macs
10:30 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=X23v5_K7cXk
10:30 TR Bot; Elton John - Sad Songs (Say So Much) - Invidious
10:30 TR News; New in theverge: SPAM as 'articles' https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/14/23353072/detachable-laptop-convertible-tablet-trend-xps-thinkpad monetising the 'brand' as exit strategy?
10:30 TR Bot; The 2-in-1 laptop is dead, long live the detachable - The Verge
10:31 TR News; The Verge was willing to expose Bill Gates' crimes. Then it took Gates bribes and fired the staff that did the investigation. http://techrights.org/2020/07/16/gates-press-sunset/
10:31 TR Bot; The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part VI: Sunsetting for Now | Techrights
10:32 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: That doesn't seem like an answer to the question
10:32 TR News; Iowa teen who killed alleged rapist sentenced and fined - BillBC News, which covered up child rape by its own STAFF and now does the same for its SPONSORS https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62898366 Source: BBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62898366
10:32 TR Bot; teen who killed alleged rapist sentenced and fined - BBC News
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; you are not in linux kernel anymore
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; you are mentally blacklisted
10:33 TR News; Spy Stories for Dummies: Trump and the Stolen Secrets | Boing Boing https://boingboing.net/2022/09/14/spy-stories-for-dummies-trump-and-the-stolen-secrets.html Source: BoingBoing | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boingboing.net/2022/09/14/spy-stories-for-dummies-trump-and-the-stolen-secrets.html
10:33 TR Bot; Spy Stories for Dummies: Trump and the Stolen Secrets | Boing Boing
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; you are like "loner"
10:34 TR News; Suricata article updated, recycled https://www.tecmint.com/suricata-intrusion-detection-prevention-linux/ | Source: TecMint
10:34 TR Bot; Suricata - Intrusion Detection and Prevention Security Tool
10:34 mixling; i'm currently thinking how to fully detangle GNU-toolchain and GNU-buildystem, and retaining a self-hosting system which can bootstrap/cross/compile itself
10:34 *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving)
10:34 mixling; for _technical_ reasons, not political ones
10:34 TR News; "When you want to have an overview of a file, you can get a good overview just moving down a few pages." https://linuxhandbook.com/move-page-up-down-vim/ | Source: Linux Handbook
10:34 TR Bot; How to Move Up and Down by Page in Vim
10:34 mixling; it's two tasks
10:34 TR News; (NEW): Industrial IoT gateway based on Raspberry Pi CM4 supports Ignition Edge http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Industrial_IoT_gateway_based_on_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_supports_Ignit.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Industrial_IoT_gateway_based_on_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_supports_Ignit.gmi
10:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Industrial IoT gateway based on Raspberry Pi CM4 supports Ignition Edge
10:34 mixling; I) detangle remove GNU-buildsystem and GNU-toolchain
10:34 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bEea624OBzM
10:34 TR Bot; Billy Joel - Big Shot (Official Video) - Invidious
10:35 mixling; and II) ensure a tcc-toolchain system must remain capable to bootstrap GNU components
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; Bill Jeff: small shot
10:35 mixling; the latter is accomplished, by bootstrappable.org, however, the former, the detanglement from GNU isn't
10:35 highest_cubist_thrills; who mixed this
10:36 mixling; i think, the focus on political ideas with GNU, clouded the vision very good reasons exist to detangle
10:36 highest_cubist_thrills; /me checks headphone cable
10:36 highest_cubist_thrills; i knew you werent treble when you walked in
10:36 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: being seen with you is a liability
10:36 mixling; and such a detanglement, requires a huge roll-back (gcc47, linux-2.4 worst-case, removal of all c++ dependencies)
10:36 TR News; (NEW): Industrial IoT gateway based on Raspberry Pi CM4 supports Ignition Edge http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Industrial_IoT_gateway_based_on_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_supports_Ignit.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Industrial_IoT_gateway_based_on_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_supports_Ignit.gmi
10:36 highest_cubist_thrills; thanks
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; like graveley was to nat friedman
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; they did a podcast togethe, you know
10:37 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vNoKguSdy4Y
10:37 TR Bot; Taylor Swift - I Knew You Were Trouble - Invidious
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; not that friedman didn 't have many skeletons in his closety too
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; I'm keeping material aside for now
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; if he resurfaces
10:37 highest_cubist_thrills; closety door
10:37 highest_cubist_thrills; openty door
10:37 TR News; (NEW): 5 Best Free and Open Source OCR Screen Capture Tools http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/5_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_OCR_Screen_Capture_Tools.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/5_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_OCR_Screen_Capture_Tools.gmi
10:37 TR Bot; Tux Machines 5 Best Free and Open Source OCR Screen Capture Tools
10:38 TR News; (NEW): Plasma, Gear, Frameworks update in Tumbleweed http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Plasma_Gear_Frameworks_update_in_Tumbleweed.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Plasma_Gear_Frameworks_update_in_Tumbleweed.gmi
10:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Plasma, Gear, Frameworks update in Tumbleweed
10:38 highest_cubist_thrills; /me swears joel said "okay, for my band, you know little steven?"
10:39 highest_cubist_thrills; "give me half a dozen of those"
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; appretiser: stephanie friedman (nee schatz) blowing a kiss to the serial strangler http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Stephanie-and-Balabhadra-Alex-Graveley-kiss.jpg
10:39 highest_cubist_thrills; you wouldnt even notice if he joined
10:39 highest_cubist_thrills; he needs clarence too
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; vote schatz
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; the strangled women won't matter
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; they're just "property" anyway
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; and she blocks the victims
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; how classy
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; then the LF adds such women to the BOARD
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; and sings about how LF loves equality
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; billg also loves equality
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; girls aged 5 should have access to sex ed just like 15 year olds
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; 5 is too young to give contraceptiuves to
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; but STD is still an issue
10:41 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/de-icaza-graveley.jpg
10:41 schestowitz[TR]; miguel
10:41 schestowitz[TR]; the linux rockstar
10:41 schestowitz[TR]; FLOSS Weekly calls a man who attacked Linux on behalf of Microsoft a "Linux legend".
10:41 schestowitz[TR]; last night:
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> FLOSS Weekly is compromised. After bringing in Bill Gates minions and Microsoft minions for openwashing they now bring Miguel de Icaza https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/698 http://techrights.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#2022
10:42 TR Bot; Miguel de Icaza
10:42 TR Bot; Miguel de Icaza - Techrights
10:43 highest_cubist_thrills; but STD is still an issue <- stdin stdout or stderr?
10:43 TR News; "You are not the only one asking this seemingly popular question! Several companies are torn between the rise in appeal of open-source databases..." https://ubuntu.com//blog/open-source-databases | Source: Ubuntu
10:43 TR Bot; you use open-source databases? | Ubuntu
10:44 TR News; "Iron Gate have announced that Valheim is set for crossplay, with an update now available in testing to ensure you can play with friends anywhere." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/valheim-is-getting-crossplay-with-an-update-now-in-testing/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:44 TR Bot; is getting crossplay with an update now in testing | GamingOnLinux
10:45 TR News; "Isonzo is the latest in the WW1 FPS series from the creator of Verdun and Tannenberg. It's out now and available with Native GNU/Linux support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/isonzo-is-a-new-ww1-fps-from-the-dev-of-verdun-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:45 TR Bot; is a new WW1 FPS from the dev of Verdun out now | GamingOnLinux
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: let's not go there :-x
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; btw, are we still allowed to call sockets male and female?
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; or is that too offensive?
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; or sexual
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; or excluding
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; to genderphobes
10:46 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: What sort of liability?
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; in the old says you said "female"
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; people know what they means
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; like boltt sna nuts
10:46 highest_cubist_thrills; male and female sockets are fine, as long as you use their preferred pronouns
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; now because of P-C you cannot use trivial terminology
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; maybe next they will remove bathroom sighns too
10:46 techuser; certain people say LGBT is intentionally promoted to reduce reproduction
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; saying that women's toilet offend
10:46 highest_cubist_thrills; unisex bathrooms are better
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; because they show figurehead ina ddres
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; and dresses are not for women
10:47 highest_cubist_thrills; youre leaning heavily on a straw man, woman, here
10:47 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: yes
10:47 techuser; no idea about bathrooms at all
10:47 schestowitz[TR]; rianne and I talked aboiut this last night because of whitworth gallery
10:47 highest_cubist_thrills; gender constructivism isnt rocket science
10:47 schestowitz[TR]; it's part of man university
10:47 schestowitz[TR]; they solved the issue
10:47 schestowitz[TR]; no gendered bathroom stalls
10:47 schestowitz[TR]; just one giant facility
10:47 schestowitz[TR]; you take a stall
10:47 schestowitz[TR]; but some religiopns would find it offensive
10:48 schestowitz[TR]; usually religions where rape is more commonplace
10:48 schestowitz[TR]; so they need to segregate sexes
10:48 schestowitz[TR]; and cover the humans with giant garments
10:48 highest_cubist_thrills; im not worried about offending religious people, just letting atheists tell everyone what to think
10:48 techuser; need to make sexual harassment a crime
10:48 techuser; any kind of sexual harassment
10:48 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> male and female sockets are fine, as long as you use their preferred pronouns
10:48 highest_cubist_thrills; yes, make thinking a crime
10:48 techuser; "I want to have sex with you" - "go to jail!"
10:48 schestowitz[TR]; electric shops don't havem labels on them
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; so I don't know if the nail is malke
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; *male
10:49 techuser; sex is not thinking
10:49 highest_cubist_thrills; what does ariadne actually do with you?
10:49 techuser; sex is often about attacking other individual
10:49 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean how does she cope
10:49 techuser; often the consent is fake
10:49 techuser; in some cases there is no consent at all
10:50 highest_cubist_thrills; <techuser> often the consent is fake <- you definitely need to talk to someone
10:50 highest_cubist_thrills; idk who
10:50 techuser; I do talk to IRC users
10:50 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah, thats obviously not helping
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: go to jail is extreme
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; there are punishments other than jail
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; sometimes they are being lectured to
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; or told off by friends
10:51 techuser; but anyway I think sexual harassment needs to be criminalized in some way
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; it already is
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; but the definitions vary
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; and, to make matters worse
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; as above
10:51 techuser; so that people don't try to find weird ways to make a person have sex with them
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; religions vary
10:51 highest_cubist_thrills; they should make crimes illegal
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; cultures vary
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; and countries have manu cultures
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; even russia
10:52 highest_cubist_thrills; <techuser> so that people don't try to find weird ways to make a person have sex with them <- i hope singing is still okay
10:52 techuser; crimes are, by definition
10:52 highest_cubist_thrills; singing while standing on your head is weird though
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: crime is a man-made concept
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; like money
10:52 highest_cubist_thrills; crimes are, by definition <- until all laws are zero-tolerance laws there will always be exceptions
10:53 techuser; singing is ok. Singing NSFW songs directed to a certain person is probably not.
10:53 TR News; "For anyone who considers themselves even a remote fan of text-adventures, you should definitely take a look at Roadwarden." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/roadwarden-one-of-the-best-modern-text-adventures-around-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:53 TR Bot; one of the best modern text-adventures around is out now | GamingOnLinux
10:53 highest_cubist_thrills; /me takes britney spears off the list of songs he can sing
10:53 TR News; "This is a bit of a double event. Not only has the Heroes of Might and Magic II game engine fheroes2 seen a new release" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/heroes-of-might-and-magic-ii-a-iii-open-source-game-engines-get-new-releases/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:53 TR Bot; of Might and Magic II & III open source game engines get new releases | GamingOnLinux
10:53 mixling; techuser: NSFW?
10:53 techuser; not safe for work
10:54 highest_cubist_thrills; but if theyre not sung to certain people its okay
10:54 techuser; generally meaning something sexual
10:54 TR News; "The Wandering Village from Stray Fawn Studio, a game about building a village on the back of a massive moving creature has just entered Early Access with Native Linux support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/the-wandering-village-is-absolutely-mesmerizing/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:54 TR Bot; Wandering Village is absolutely mesmerizing | GamingOnLinux
10:54 highest_cubist_thrills; /me takes most of the top 40 off the list then
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: not always secual
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; can be violence too
10:54 highest_cubist_thrills; louie louie better go just to be sure
10:54 techuser; live performances are ok
10:55 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> can be violence too <- no more metallica, got it
10:55 highest_cubist_thrills; better just stay away from music altogether
10:55 highest_cubist_thrills; it could lead to dancing
10:55 schestowitz[TR]; never liked metallica
10:55 schestowitz[TR]; many people do like that
10:55 highest_cubist_thrills; they used to be better
10:55 schestowitz[TR]; so they must be pressing some right buttons
10:56 techuser; I know GG Allin did do weird live performances however
10:56 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: and dancing leads to
10:56 highest_cubist_thrills; paties
10:56 highest_cubist_thrills; parties
10:56 techuser; temporary parties
10:56 highest_cubist_thrills; and parties have destroyed politics
10:56 techuser; dance while the live performance lasts
10:56 techuser; then disappear
10:56 highest_cubist_thrills; and politics leads to corruption
10:57 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: both political parties
10:57 highest_cubist_thrills; and corruption leads to bribery
10:57 schestowitz[TR]; and party parties
10:57 highest_cubist_thrills; which leads to prostitution
10:57 schestowitz[TR]; finland, uk..
10:57 highest_cubist_thrills; which leans to teenage pregnancy
10:57 highest_cubist_thrills; which leads to destitution
10:57 highest_cubist_thrills; which leads to techrights
10:57 highest_cubist_thrills; heh heh
10:57 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/sweden-dancing-illegal-spontaneous-law-a7905531.html
10:57 TR Bot; Spontaneous dancing still illegal in Sweden | The Independent | The Independent
10:57 highest_cubist_thrills; and we certainly cant have that
10:58 highest_cubist_thrills; also fate leads to fear and thats the path to the dark side
10:58 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Android_Leftovers.gmi
10:58 highest_cubist_thrills; but that leads to cookies
10:58 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
10:58 highest_cubist_thrills; so its a mixed bag
10:58 highest_cubist_thrills; hate
10:58 highest_cubist_thrills; but perhaps its meant to be
10:59 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CRfy1yorkec
10:59 TR Bot; Chicago - You're the Inspiration (Official Music Video) - Invidious
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 59.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 104.11
10:59 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know if this is sfw or not
10:59 highest_cubist_thrills; its chicago, and according to dfc theyre pretty corrupt
11:00 highest_cubist_thrills; also noogies may qualify as harassment, but im pretty sure all noogies in the video are legal ones
11:00 highest_cubist_thrills; bill murray is well known for them
11:01 highest_cubist_thrills; peter cetera looks exactly like ellen in this video
11:01 highest_cubist_thrills; but not from the side
11:01 schestowitz[TR]; lol
11:01 schestowitz[TR]; I always found his name funny
11:01 schestowitz[TR]; ellen cetera
11:01 schestowitz[TR]; e. t. cetera
11:02 schestowitz[TR]; Chicago: [brand names], and e. t. cetera
11:02 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah i guess his name is latin
11:02 schestowitz[TR]; I went though videos of his months ago
11:03 TR News; Android/Linux https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/15/realtek-rtd1319d-stb-processor-4k-h266-av1-video-decoding/
↺ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/15/realtek-rtd1319d-stb-processor-4k-h266-av1-video-decoding/
11:03 TR Bot; Realtek RTD1319D STB processor supports 4K H.266 and AV1 video decoding - CNX Software
11:04 highest_cubist_thrills; the simon cowell version is better
11:04 TR News; (NEW): Games: Valheim, Isonzo, Roadwarden, Heroes of Might and Magic, The Wandering Village http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Games_Valheim_Isonzo_Roadwarden_Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_The_W.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Games_Valheim_Isonzo_Roadwarden_Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_The_W.gmi
11:04 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Valheim, Isonzo, Roadwarden, Heroes of Might and Magic, The Wandering Village
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; cowell cannot sing
11:05 highest_cubist_thrills; he has people to do that for him
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; he just barks at people
11:05 highest_cubist_thrills; his bark is worse than his bite
11:06 schestowitz[TR]; insulting people and shettering their confidence
11:06 schestowitz[TR]; that's how narcissists act
11:06 schestowitz[TR]; and he cannot sing!
11:06 highest_cubist_thrills; honestly that whole franchise is a terrible scam
11:06 schestowitz[TR]; unlike burt cacharach, he's not humble
11:06 schestowitz[TR]; *bach
11:06 mixling; you know what, i can't comprehend
11:06 highest_cubist_thrills; burt bacharach is awesome
11:06 highest_cubist_thrills; if you dont like burt bacharach you have no soul
11:06 highest_cubist_thrills; hes sfw but he shouldnt be
11:07 mixling; highly decorated FSF and GNU are in this channel, to discuss _important_ relevant topics
11:07 highest_cubist_thrills; because he definitely leads to dancing
11:07 highest_cubist_thrills; and that leads to the dark side
11:07 highest_cubist_thrills; which leads to cookies
11:07 mixling; and instead, precious time and brain-power is wasted by schestowitz[TR] and his affiliates
11:07 highest_cubist_thrills; and cookies lead to supercookies
11:07 highest_cubist_thrills; which lead to google
11:08 highest_cubist_thrills; and finally the w3c destroys irc
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; herr sixel, how iz ze machine coming along?
11:08 highest_cubist_thrills; increase the reactor three more doritos!
11:08 schestowitz[TR]; css for irc
11:08 highest_cubist_thrills; you joke now
11:09 highest_cubist_thrills; but thats basically how discord started
11:09 mixling; i haven't got the slightest clue, why any mentally healthy person concerned with technical and political topics would remain in this channel
11:09 schestowitz[TR]; msg:after{backgroung: ponies.png;}
11:09 highest_cubist_thrills; it could happen again
11:09 highest_cubist_thrills; "it couldnt happen here"
11:09 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: is your idea to scare away component developers?
11:09 highest_cubist_thrills; "it already did!"
11:09 techuser; mixling: at least some news get relayed and discussed
11:10 highest_cubist_thrills; at least eric s rambo will get to fire all of his guns at once and explode into space
11:10 *schestowitz[TR] uploads emoji sets to the ircs server
11:10 highest_cubist_thrills; like a true natures child
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; *ircd
11:10 mixling; and i mean, it's just, to have a coffee in the morning, say hello to peole, doing this and that
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: in a space elevator... with craig f*ing mundie
11:11 mixling; instead schestowitz[TR] and company flood the channel with nonsense
11:11 highest_cubist_thrills; uploads emoji sets to the ircs server <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZWphqA1Slrw
11:11 TR Bot; You maniacs! - Invidious
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; mixling: you got banned from other channel;s/networks
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; now you moan about non-boutique stuff
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; like moving back to sixels
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; because "rand corporation"
11:12 highest_cubist_thrills; thomas watson, now there was a coder!
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; i am not sure you are even a component developer
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; you play lego
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; with pieces from thr 80s
11:13 highest_cubist_thrills; he could send "war and peace" over tty in less than an afternoon!
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; I can give you my 80s lego pieces
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; I had planet
11:13 highest_cubist_thrills; in two languages!
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; you can stiock them together
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; and see if you can still run suckless ii for irc
11:13 highest_cubist_thrills; (country AND western)
11:13 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: yes
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; and pretend it's "aud deutschland"
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; I had playmobil too
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; grandma used to buy me these
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; *auf
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; auf helvetica
11:14 highest_cubist_thrills; i was afraid of playmobil
11:14 highest_cubist_thrills; i had just read gullivers travels
11:14 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: you are the worst most epic ever troll on the planet
11:14 highest_cubist_thrills; i didnt trust those little fucks
11:15 mixling; sometimes, i don't know, if this is supposed to be a joke
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; gullivers is scary to kids
11:15 highest_cubist_thrills; auf helvetica <- der master font!
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; we had that on the TV in a ferry travel years ago
11:15 highest_cubist_thrills; i got into my parents sewing kit
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; made me very nauseous, I should have looked away
11:15 highest_cubist_thrills; and threw away all their thread
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; they make modern (read: special effects) versions of gullivers tales
11:15 highest_cubist_thrills; then i showed the little playmobil people
11:16 highest_cubist_thrills; "ha, try it now, fuckers!"
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: swiss still put that on postage stamps
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; like allemania and holland
11:16 highest_cubist_thrills; the swiss claim to have invented cheese
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; maybe orban will put some empire-lrelated thing on their coins
11:16 highest_cubist_thrills; but their story is full of holes
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; if hungary will have any coins left
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; he sends them all to putin
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; hungary used to occupy crystalmath's country
11:17 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah but they got tired of listening to him and left
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetic_Republic
11:17 TR Bot; Helvetic Republic - Wikipedia
11:18 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_in_the_Roman_era
11:18 TR Bot; Switzerland in the Roman era - Wikipedia
11:18 highest_cubist_thrills; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetic_Republic <- thank got it collapsed
11:18 highest_cubist_thrills; even roman sans was better
11:19 highest_cubist_thrills; pax comica
11:19 highest_cubist_thrills; and my default font, lorem ipsum
11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
11:21 mixling; anyway, that's why the GNU-toolchain and GNU-buildystem detanglement are important:
11:21 mixling; because, if GNU was subverted and attacked itself (and to wherever it attached), without an alternative, free software is gone
11:22 TR News; Fedora vs. Ubuntu - 2022 Edition - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=De0wWhBNbKo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/De0wWhBNbKo
11:22 TR Bot; Fedora vs. Ubuntu - 2022 Edition - Invidious
11:22 TR News; "To our surprise, Apple gave developers a treat this week and continues to search for the ultimate productivity hack." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8812
11:23 mixling; i think, bootstrappable/guix devs for example, focus on GNU bootstrapping, with the assumption it was GNU who protected their freedoms
11:23 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YlLKG_8sHF8
11:23 TR Bot; phoenix - lisztomania - brat pack remix (original) - Invidious
11:23 mixling; yesterday, i followed a chat, when some tiniest early bootstrapping code snipped written in ASM, final binary size 2KiB, requires llvm-assembler (of dozens of millions of LoC)
11:24 TR News; The worlds going electric https://www.qt.io/blog/the-worlds-going-electric-are-you-ready-to-make-a-buzz Source: Qt | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/the-worlds-going-electric-are-you-ready-to-make-a-buzz
11:24 TR Bot; The worlds going electricare you ready to make a buzz?
11:24 mixling; and such bootstrapping paths without an alternative remain undisputed among GNU?
11:24 mixling; furthermore, i wouldn't object to GNU-toolchain/buildsystem and linux kernel locking against giant c++-toolchains, IF
11:25 highest_cubist_thrills; /me bets starstreak looks like ally sheedy
11:25 mixling; and ONLY IF, any kernel-version and toolchain remained without such dependencies
11:25 TR News; logs Main mbox tmp2 "This tutorial explains how to execute DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks using the hping3 tool." https://linuxhint.com/hping3/
11:25 TR Bot; DOS Flood With hping3
11:25 mixling; meanwhile GNU/FSF/BSD whoever celebrate their progress and aniversaries and decorate each other with awards and cash
11:26 mixling; when not at least some clean bootstrapping of free software with any kernel and toolchain remained
11:27 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean not NOW, shes about 60
11:27 mixling; i noticed too, some pride, the bootstrapping path _forward_ to GCC-10 or whatever was verified
11:27 TR News; "Joel has sad news." Episode out. #1000 coming next year? http://www.tllts.org/
11:27 TR Bot; The LinuxLink TechShow
11:27 mixling; when instead, the bootstrapping path _backwards_ is, as far as i can tell, let's say incomplete to remain polite
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; mixling: do you code these?
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; or just sticking together old items?
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; integrator
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; packager
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; "maintainer"
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; seems you play lego
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; and complain about old versions off lego not being old enough
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; lego is german btw
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; germany owns denmark
11:29 highest_cubist_thrills; its probably on github
11:29 highest_cubist_thrills; denmark i mean
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; danish people just cannnot relate to that
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; lego?
11:29 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: let me say, a kernel-patch to remove C11 clutter is anything but trivial nor "sticking together old items"
11:29 *psydruid wants to become a Lego integrator when he grows up
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; not sure github
11:29 highest_cubist_thrills; denmark
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; I'd have noticed
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; they did some "open" things
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; but didn't see github mentioned
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; lego is very proprietary
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; with "IP"
11:29 highest_cubist_thrills; httpss://github.com/eu/denmark
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; and they are aggressive in enfroceing "IP"
11:30 highest_cubist_thrills; oops, ss
11:30 highest_cubist_thrills; /me blames herr doktor
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; Liz Trump
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; or as I call her
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; in html
11:30 highest_cubist_thrills; the fuhrer wants le certificates
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; Tru<stike>SS</strike>mp
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; he was a greta painter
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; *great
11:31 highest_cubist_thrills; /me generates with dehomag
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; he could paint greta's coffin
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; to own the libs
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; ever noticed how part of the right wing religion is rejection of climate science
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; science is soo.... liberal!
11:32 highest_cubist_thrills; i wish fixing climate change was that easy
11:32 highest_cubist_thrills; "its fine!"
11:32 psydruid; the fhrer was a great integrator too
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; we need fewer people, but nobody wants to say that
11:32 highest_cubist_thrills; yes the camps were very inclusive
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; too busy forcing women to get pregnant and deliver
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; so that they lose their freedom
11:33 highest_cubist_thrills; people from every race and religion
11:33 highest_cubist_thrills; lots of men and women, even homosexuals
11:33 schestowitz[TR]; frau
11:34 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: i got 300 ebuilds in my overlay, yes
11:34 mixling; i mean
11:34 TR News; Tiger Lake-UP3 processor https://linuxgizmos.com/de-next-tgu8-sbc-features-tiger-lake-up3-processor-and-dual-lan-ports/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
11:34 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/de-next-tgu8-sbc-features-tiger-lake-up3-processor-and-dual-lan-ports/ )
11:34 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> we need fewer people, but nobody wants to say that <- only because they want to try other shit first
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; yes, building is easy
11:34 highest_cubist_thrills; and the way things are now, who is going to decide who to have fewer of
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; you already have the meta in place
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: that's why nobody want to talk about it, at least not openly
11:35 highest_cubist_thrills; granted im not convinced the earth can sustain 8 billion people either
11:35 highest_cubist_thrills; but what are you going to do about it
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; too late
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; live and let live
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; die
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; make a pledge
11:35 mixling; anyway, the recent conclusion with GNU software and linux kernel: there is no way forwad to proceed anymore
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; something carbon before [year when you are dead]
11:36 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=e7aGAIWe3uE
11:36 mixling; i spare you the technical details, it's technical, not political
11:36 TR Bot; live and let die- paul mccartney - Invidious
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; mixling: that's how software evolves
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; they remove the ladder from below them
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; like compatibility
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; wordpress is like this
11:36 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: that's how free software worth dozens of billions of shitcoin died in the last decade
11:37 highest_cubist_thrills; so is the internet archive
11:37 mixling; even worse, while a forward-strategy is fully blocked already, not feasible anymore
11:37 TR News; "OnLogics IGN800 is a fanless industrial-grade Edge Gateway powered by the Raspberry Pi CM4 and pre-loaded with Ignition Edge software" https://linuxgizmos.com/industrial-iot-gateway-based-on-raspberry-pi-cm4/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
11:37 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/industrial-iot-gateway-based-on-raspberry-pi-cm4/ )
11:37 highest_cubist_thrills; the fucking question mark from hell has made its way from wordpress to the archive
11:37 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know how, or why or who
11:37 mixling; TOO, any ROLL-BACK, if necessary to linux-2.4 or earlier, is very difficult
11:37 highest_cubist_thrills; but its a bad omen
11:37 mixling; and blocked by hardware-options available
11:38 highest_cubist_thrills; whoever added that should get a bullet
11:38 highest_cubist_thrills; right in their lower right corner
11:38 highest_cubist_thrills; and scrolling up and down wont save them
11:38 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: some people will backport securiity patches for old wordpress
11:38 mixling; so, what you got only, is MICROS~1 IBM Wintel Pentagon RAND Corp malware labeled as "free software" and subsidized with billions of shitcoins
11:38 schestowitz[TR]; earlier this month automattic announced they would no longer offer security patches for old versions
11:38 schestowitz[TR]; people will do it their own way
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; if there is a critical issue
11:39 highest_cubist_thrills; security patches: no
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, techrights will move more to static page generator
11:39 highest_cubist_thrills; stupidity patches: if it makes wordpress worse, then yes
11:39 highest_cubist_thrills; even our old versions will suck more!
11:39 mixling; and surprisingly, instead of relying on GNU, it is necessary to detangle from GNU-toolchain/buildsystem and recent linux kernel version
11:39 mixling; tadaa... discuss.
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; in some businesses it will be against the ruikes to run old press
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; for compliance reasons
11:39 highest_cubist_thrills; you cannot kill that which is already dead!
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; even if you dcan still patch
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: some people try to kill the grandkids
11:40 highest_cubist_thrills; /me hits wordpress with a shovel
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; like stalin's
11:41 mixling; i would remain calm, about this, and the following of GNU/FSF whoever, if they wanted to proceed with their current share-holders, however they wished to
11:41 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/vi/orywozdlS8s/mqdefault.jpg
11:41 mixling; IF, and ONLY IF, a stable and long-term reliable free software system remained
11:41 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=orywozdlS8s
11:41 TR Bot; Never Hit Your Grandma With A Shovel (Use An Ax Instead) - Invidious
11:41 mixling; and surprise, there isn't none
11:42 highest_cubist_thrills; stalin for time
11:43 TR News; "And a pile of several bound copies of Best of a decade on Opensource.com 2010-2019. Our last yearbook that was published (and printed)!" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/opensource-yearbook-2022 | Source: OpenSource.com
11:43 TR Bot; of our favorite articles in a downloadable eBook | Opensource.com
11:43 TR News; "DDEV is an open source tool that makes it simple to get local PHP development environments up and running within minutes." https://opensource.com/article/22/9/docker-desktop-colima | Source: OpenSource.com
11:43 TR Bot; I switched from Docker Desktop to Colima | Opensource.com
11:43 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XJylcQ7CGfI
11:43 mixling; and, this the other argument of mine: to re-cover and salvage at least a bare minimum of free software, it's not a strategy to roll-forward, free software salvage requires a ROLL-BACK
11:43 TR Bot; Rod Stewart - Reason To Believe - Invidious
11:44 mixling; some examples: gcc47, 10years ROLL-BACK, perl-5.8, almost 20years ROLL-BACK, linux-2.4(not sure about this one yet) almost 20years ROLL-BACK
11:44 mixling; there isn't any sweet-spot to pick up anything newer than year 2013
11:45 mixling; furthermore, if free/open hardware was verified, a ROLL-BACK strategy had to be even more aggressive
11:45 mixling; i arrived at late 1960s tech last time i back-tracked this
11:46 mixling; the "free software" argument in this context, is only one acceptance criteria
11:46 TR News; 2 Ways to Capture Website Screenshots from the Command-line on Linux - TREND OCEANS https://trendoceans.com/capture-website-screenshot-from-terminal/ Source: Trend Oceans | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//trendoceans.com/capture-website-screenshot-from-terminal/
11:46 TR Bot; 2 Ways to Capture Website Screenshots from the Command-line on Linux - TREND OCEANS
11:47 *psydruid rolls back his boundaries to prehistory and makes caves great again
11:47 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: and somehow, i think, this is what you deserve, none to be had no more, free software
11:47 mixling; psydruid: you too, you are nasty too
11:47 schestowitz[TR]; everyone is nasty
11:47 schestowitz[TR]; except you
11:47 mixling; yes
11:48 schestowitz[TR]; wanting to kick out millions
11:48 schestowitz[TR]; from your "homeland"
11:48 psydruid; mixling, thank you, my integrator
11:48 schestowitz[TR]; how very kind of you
11:48 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: i want to kick out war-criminals
11:48 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZwwotBh7n8Q
11:48 TR Bot; Enya - Smaointe - Invidious
11:48 mixling; and yes, it's many, too many
11:48 psydruid; 100 million nasty people floating 99 million luftballons
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11:50 psydruid; Germany only for the germs!
11:51 mixling; just as said, psydruid is evil
11:51 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: you too are
11:52 psydruid; "do be evil" is the motto of this server after all
11:52 psydruid; and we integrate it into our daily lives like a piece of lego
11:53 mixling; meanwhile, someone pointed me to some problem with Gigatron TTL
11:54 mixling; which is, it contains some Attiny85 IC, which seems to be an undocumented/closed-source chip
11:55 mixling; for the Pluggy Mc Plugface PS2/VGA terminator
11:55 mixling; i don't accept this, if Gigatron TTL contains undocumented/closed-source ICs
11:55 mixling; i won't buy this
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; is it made by war criminals?
11:56 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: who is manufacturing the ATtiny85?
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; probably china
11:56 mixling; oh... ATMel
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; most of the electronics you use are chinese
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; germany does heavy industries
11:57 schestowitz[TR]; hardly electronics anymore
11:57 mixling; ATmega was/is Norwegian, acquired by Microchip recently
11:58 mixling; Microchip is USA - Satan
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; Russia - angel?
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; Angel Kerkel?
11:58 psydruid; Russia - God
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; Gute
11:58 mixling; no clue, to my knowledge Russian/Soviet semiconductors are mostly defunct since 1990
11:58 schestowitz[TR]; Gute Fahrt
11:59 mixling; USA monopolized the entire industry
11:59 mixling; by anti-competitive acts of sabotage against anyone else
12:00 TR News; 39 trillion assets https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/even-these-capitalists-controlling-39-trillion-assets-know-fossil-fuel-era-must-end | Source: Common Dreams
12:00 TR Bot; Even These Capitalists Controlling $39 Trillion in Assets Know Fossil Fuel Era Must End
12:00 mixling; btw. the Gigatron TTL, thats mainly Apollo Mission era computing stuff
12:00 schestowitz[TR]; mixling: do you always blame "USA" for your misfortune?
12:00 schestowitz[TR]; DT is not American
12:00 mixling; that's how far, to ROLL-BACK, and even this, is insufficient
12:01 schestowitz[TR]; usa dominated computing for longer than 1960s
12:01 schestowitz[TR]; sorry to tell you this
12:01 schestowitz[TR]; you'd break down in tears
12:01 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: they looted and plundered and sabotaged
12:02 mixling; "operation paperclip"
12:02 mixling; IBM patented the Zuse computer
12:02 mixling; that's German, not USA
12:02 mixling; Oberon system, is swiss, not USA
12:03 schestowitz[TR]; nazis destroyed europe
12:03 schestowitz[TR]; and then USA got streonger
12:03 schestowitz[TR]; and in the second half of 20th century many firsts waere USA
12:03 schestowitz[TR]; soviets were a near second
12:04 schestowitz[TR]; you moan about thius
12:04 schestowitz[TR]; like germany did n't have it coming
12:04 schestowitz[TR]; like, after sinking american ships
12:04 schestowitz[TR]; and then brought the UK and USA closer together
12:04 schestowitz[TR]; after centuries of animosity following the declaration of independence
12:04 schestowitz[TR]; and rejection of the crown
12:05 mixling; i don't reject the "Monarchy" of yours who ignited WW1, i reject it holding any authority over me
12:08 mixling; same with BillG, who may do whatever he wishes, in USA
12:08 mixling; anyway, nowadays, with all this free software, i haven't got a web-browser anymore, passing minimum acceptance criteria
12:08 mixling; to navigate online job portals, and online banking
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; www is broken. started in switerland, bya a brit. you live in a world of delusions. a lot of the world's terc is only designed and patented in usa, not even assembled. All the rest is done in sweatshops/slaveshops in china and nearby countries.
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12:11 mixling; anyway, this is important, free-software can only be saved by a ROLL-BACK, not any progress nor innovation of the last decade or two
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; it works to the benefit of few businesspeople
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; not for americans
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; not for chinese
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; not for germsns
12:11 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: yes, www is f*** beyond repair nowadays
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; except few german businessmen
12:11 schestowitz[TR]; like the ones sending me threatening letter this week
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12:12 mixling; threatening letters?
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12:12 schestowitz[TR]; www started as language to render pages
12:12 schestowitz[TR]; now www is a VM
12:13 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@freenode/user/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights
12:13 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: threatening letters?
12:13 TR News; new in gemini: Debord's Society of the Spectacle gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-09-15.gmi
12:14 TR News; "During the Schumacher years you knew who was going to win, and it was impressive, but you watched to see if anyone could beat him. This year has become like that with Verstappen." gemini://freeshell.de/f1/2022-09-15_Guess_who_won_again.gmi
12:15 schestowitz[TR]; 4 letters from a copyright nazi
12:15 schestowitz[TR]; I can handle them, he clearly distorts the meaning of the law
12:15 schestowitz[TR]; but it's about being a nuisance
12:16 mixling; did you violate any copyright?
12:16 TR News; Gulag https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/legacy-news-orgs-hatred-of-google-runs-so-deep-theyre-willing-to-give-up-fair-use-to-punish-google/ | Source: Techdirt
12:16 TR Bot; News Orgs Hatred Of Google Runs So Deep Theyre Willing To Give Up Fair Use To Punish Google | Techdirt
12:17 TR News; RPG https://hackaday.com/2022/09/14/2022-cyberdeck-contest-rpg-character-tracker/ | Source: Hackaday
12:17 TR Bot; Cyberdeck Contest: RPG Character Tracker | Hackaday
12:17 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: no, fair use
12:17 schestowitz[TR]; meme
12:17 schestowitz[TR]; mixling: ^
12:18 TR News; "The iPod Nano was one of Apples masterworks, but its really tied down by its dependence on wired headphones" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/14/esp32-adds-bluetooth-to-an-ipod-nano/ | Source: Hackaday
12:18 TR Bot; Adds Bluetooth To An IPod Nano | Hackaday
12:19 schestowitz[TR]; i was thinking... modus operandi for copyriogt troll
12:19 schestowitz[TR]; upload to a meme site a phhotograph
12:19 schestowitz[TR]; that you claim to have "rights" for
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12:19 schestowitz[TR]; then chase people use use that site to make a meme with the photograph you uploaded
12:19 schestowitz[TR]; if that can be proven, you should be disbarred
12:19 schestowitz[TR]; seems like copyright law became a farce
12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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12:20 TR News; CPU Modules https://hackaday.com/2022/09/14/future-brings-cpu-modules-and-the-future-is-now/ | Source: Hackaday
12:20 TR Bot; Brings CPU Modules, And The Future Is Now | Hackaday
12:21 TR News; Disinformation for profit https://www.desmog.com/2022/09/14/house-committee-pr-climate-disinformation/ | Source: DeSmog
12:21 TR Bot; Committee Investigates the Role of PR Firms in Spreading Climate Disinformation - DeSmog
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12:21 TR News; Assange latest https://dontextraditeassange.com/events/free-assange-human-chain-oct-8/ | Source: Don't Extradite Assange
12:21 TR Bot; Free Assange Human Chain Oct 8 - Don't Extradite Assange
12:23 TR News; Digital Soldiers https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/online-conspiracy-internet-military/ | Source: The Nation
12:23 TR Bot; The Digital Soldiers Taking Americas Forever Wars Online | The Nation
12:24 TR News; "States of class, inequality and hereditary systems of rule are almost titillating, a reminder that the American Revolution was less radical than a revolt begun reluctantly by aristocratic" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/15/queenly-saturation/ | Source: Counter Punch
12:24 TR Bot; Saturation - CounterPunch.org
12:27 TR News; "Car prices are still rising sharply: new vehicles up 0.8 percent in August, 10.1 percent year-over-year, added 0.03 percentage points to the months inflation." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/15/price-increases-persist-despite-supply-chain-progress/ | Source: Counter Punch
12:27 TR Bot; Increases Persist Despite Supply Chain Progress - CounterPunch.org
12:28 TR News; Warren Buffett is scum, connected to mate of Jeffrey Epstein. He won't even listen to Sanders. https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-tells-warren-buffett-to-treat-rail-workers-better-and-avert-strike/ | Source: TruthOut
12:28 TR Bot; Sanders Tells Warren Buffett to Treat Rail Workers Better and Avert Strike
12:29 TR News; Microsoft Pelosi, who profits from Microsoft while her party bails out Microsoft https://truthout.org/articles/pelosi-says-congressional-stock-ban-bill-is-ready-to-come-to-a-vote-this-month-2/ | Source: TruthOut
12:29 TR Bot; Pelosi Says Congressional Stock Ban Bill Is Ready to Come to a Vote This Month
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12:30 schestowitz[TR]; Spike Jones looked a lot like Max Kaiser
12:30 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=P-Lc8NPrbbU&listen=falsehttps://yewtu.be/watch?v=P-Lc8NPrbbU&listen=false
↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=P-Lc8NPrbbU&listen=falsehttps://yewtu.be/watch?v=P-Lc8NPrbbU&listen=false
12:30 TR Bot; Spike Jones- Black And Blue Danube Waltz - Invidious
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=d2ufQhzx_70&listen=false
12:31 TR Bot; SPIKE JONES: Older Than Dust Medley.mov - Invidious
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12:34 TR News; Big Oil PR Firms https://truthout.org/articles/big-oil-pr-firms-reject-invite-to-hearing-on-climate-disinformation/ | Source: TruthOut
↺ https://truthout.org/articles/big-oil-pr-firms-reject-invite-to-hearing-on-climate-disinformation/
12:34 TR Bot; Big Oil PR Firms Reject Invite to Hearing on Climate Disinformation
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12:40 TR News; "Like Big Tobacco, Big Oil may soon have to pay for its abuses." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/report-exposes-decades-big-oil-lies-industry-faces-congressional-scrutiny | Source: Common Dreams
12:40 TR Bot; Report Exposes Decades of 'Big Oil Lies' as Industry Faces Congressional Scrutiny
12:44 TR News; "It is just shy of three years since the UK Government announced it was withdrawing its support for shale gas extraction or fracking." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/14/uk-reversal-fracking-ban-anti-science-and-anti-planet | Source: Common Dreams
12:44 TR Bot; Opinion | UK Reversal of Fracking Ban Is Anti-Science and Anti-Planet | Andy Rowell
12:44 TR News; Warren https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/warren-condemns-deceptive-and-outrageous-behavior-student-loan-giant-navient | Source: Common Dreams
12:44 TR Bot; Warren Condemns Deceptive and 'Outrageous Behavior' by Student Loan Giant Navient
12:45 TR News; "This hearing is PR agencies' worst nightmare." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/big-oil-pr-firms-no-show-house-hearing-climate-disinformation | Source: Common Dreams
12:45 TR Bot; Big Oil PR Firms a No-Show at House Hearing on Climate Disinformation
12:45 TR News; "For generations, workers have been punished by corporate bosses for watching the clock. But now, the corporate clock is watching workers!" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/14/down-corporate-bean-counters-who-spy-their-workers | Source: Common Dreams
12:45 TR Bot; Opinion | Down With the Corporate Bean-Counters Who Spy on Their Workers | Jim Hightower
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12:46 TR News; Buffett, the 'twin' of Famous Criminal Bill Gates https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/bernie-sanders-warren-buffett-give-rail-workers-better-conditions-avoid-strike | Source: Common Dreams
12:46 TR Bot; Bernie Sanders to Warren Buffett: Give Rail Workers Better Conditions to Avoid Strike
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12:48 TR News; Newsom https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/farmworker-ufw-march-voting-rights/ | Source: The Nation
12:48 TR Bot; Biden vs. Newsom on Farmworkers Right To Vote | The Nation
12:50 TR News; "The sudden onset of the Covid-19 pandemic inverted long-held assumptions." https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/cooper-hewitt-covid-architecture/ | Source: The Nation
12:50 TR Bot; The Half Measures of Public Health Architecture | The Nation
12:50 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IzuVX7J9RN8&listen=false
12:50 TR Bot; Flight Of The Bumblebee - Invidious
12:51 TR News; Capitalism has turned COVID denier https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/14/covid-19-and-911-who-lives-who-dies-who-cares | Source: Common Dreams
12:51 TR Bot; Opinion | Covid-19 and 9/11: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Cares | Richard Eskow
12:53 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8QbtaqxdexU&listen=false
12:53 TR Bot; Spike Jones - Holiday for Strings - Invidious
12:54 TR News; Overconsumption https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/14/politics-overconsumption-and-getting-scale-right | Source: Common Dreams
12:54 TR Bot; Opinion | The Politics of Overconsumption and Getting the Scale Right | Wes Jackson
12:54 TR News; Information Has Always Been Power... https://www.propublica.org/article/why-trump-hoarded-documents-information | Source: Pro Publica, taking bribes from Bill Gates to CONTROL information
12:54 TR Bot; For Donald Trump, Information Has Always Been Power ProPublica
12:57 TR News; Exploitative. " The work is 10 hours per week in the Berlin office and home office is possible at a later stage." Gulag Deutschland hiring on the cheap. https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220915-01.en.html
12:57 TR Bot; FSFE is hiring a working student as an assistant system administrator - FSFE
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; dead at age 53 :/
12:58 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_Jones
12:58 TR Bot; Spike Jones - Wikipedia
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 58.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 153.38
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; \"Jones was a lifelong heavy smoker, reportedly 4-5 packs a day, and eventually he developed breathing problems, including emphysema. Never"
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; " the picture of health, his emphysema advanced to the point where he used an oxygen tank both on and offstage and he was confined to a seat behind his drum set while performing. In spite of his illness, he continued smoking until his death on May 1, 1965, at the age of 53"
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; His wife only died weeks ago!
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; "His second wife, Helen Grayco, died as a result of cancer in Los Angeles on August 20, 2022, at the age of 97.
13:00 schestowitz[TR]; "
13:01 schestowitz[TR]; mixling: don't smoke so much
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; I started listening to his music 20 years ago
13:06 schestowitz[TR]; he died 57 years ago
13:08 TR News; Jono Bacon props up anti-Linux Microsoft moles. Erica Brescia. https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/09/15/3x50/ http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/
13:08 TR Bot; 350: Two Riders Were Approaching | Bad Voltage
13:08 TR Bot; Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | Techrights
13:15 schestowitz[TR]; afaik, most are public domain now
13:15 schestowitz[TR]; so I can ue them in videos, some ...
13:18 TR News; Too late. A lot of the important technical and management staff from Red Hat already left the building. https://www.zdnet.com/article/remote-working-red-hat-tells-staff-they-dont-have-to-return-to-the-office/
13:18 TR Bot; working: Red Hat tells staff they don't have to return to the office | ZDNET
13:18 psydruid; the bacon has turned bad
13:19 psydruid; many of them will never have to return to the office
13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
13:20 TR News; ICBM shoring up this euphemism for surveillance staff, like NSA with "analyst" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/data-scientist-day-life
13:20 TR Bot; Data scientist: A day in the life | The Enterprisers Project
13:20 schestowitz[TR]; ICBM nuked Red Hat faster than I had imagined
13:20 schestowitz[TR]; people warned me
13:20 schestowitz[TR]; in 2019
13:20 schestowitz[TR]; that ICBM would do this in 2020
13:21 schestowitz[TR]; because they wait 18-24 months
13:21 schestowitz[TR]; then, indeed, ICBM killed off CentOS
13:21 schestowitz[TR]; then Fedora
13:21 schestowitz[TR]; and staff left in droves
13:21 schestowitz[TR]; quietly
13:21 schestowitz[TR]; Red Hat's site kept announcing new managers
13:21 schestowitz[TR]; not saying what happened to the people they replace
13:21 schestowitz[TR]; they showed up in other companies
13:21 schestowitz[TR]; amazon was common
13:21 schestowitz[TR]; peters and LP went to MSFT
13:22 schestowitz[TR]; worse yet
13:22 schestowitz[TR]; ICBM hired from Microsoft to some Red Haat management roles
13:22 schestowitz[TR]; which expains a lot
13:22 schestowitz[TR]; they make decisions FOR Red Hat now
13:23 TR News; "Access Now is incredibly disappointed by the news that Ooredoo, the last remaining telecommunications company operating in Myanmar not owned or connected to the military junta" https://www.accessnow.org/ooredoo-myanmar-sale/
13:23 TR Bot; Ooredoos plans to leave Myanmar hands military full control of nations telco sector it must mitigate the human rights risks - Access Now
13:23 mixling; year 2002, RedHat9, was one reasons, i hesitated to follow along with Linux and the type of system RH9 was at that time
13:24 mixling; see, the first computer had MS-DOS installed, and i hated win311 from the beginning
13:24 mixling; and then, RH9 presented the exact same shiny GUI klicky bunti i didn't want
13:26 mixling; 20years passed, this Linux desktop experience, improved even further, with systemd and things
13:26 psydruid; I ran RH8 and RH9 for a year
13:26 mixling; Java, another child of theirs, IBM/RedHat... sadly i was socialized with this type of software and system early in my "carreer"
13:27 psydruid; and then came Fedora Core 1, which was so buggy that I haven't used a RH operating system since
13:27 TR News; GNU Guile-Ncurses version 3.1 (stable) released on 14 September 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Guile-ncurses
13:27 TR Bot; Guile-ncurses - Free Software Directory
13:27 schestowitz[TR]; I used FC1 and 2
13:27 schestowitz[TR]; at work
13:27 schestowitz[TR]; the labs
13:27 schestowitz[TR]; used even doziens of Fedora machines in parallel
13:27 mixling; i mean, Java, as a language, is well-designed, i would prefer this over python, however, the entire framework clutter and bloat surrounding IBM/RedHat and their Java-ecosystem
13:27 schestowitz[TR]; to run experiments for my phd projects
13:27 psydruid; I briefly had RHEL8 installed on my laptop, but that was even wlrss
13:27 psydruid; worse*
13:28 mixling; this is exactly the type of software i wanted to _avoid_, with free software and linux
13:28 schestowitz[TR]; Fedora's browsers then were so bad
13:28 schestowitz[TR]; that I once use Opera on them
13:28 schestowitz[TR]; Opera was better than the mozilla ones back then
13:28 schestowitz[TR]; later came firefox
13:29 schestowitz[TR]; I think the most I ever used was 50 PCs in parallel
13:29 schestowitz[TR]; all running Fedora
13:30 TR News; (NEW): LibreOffice 7.4.1 Community available for download http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibreOffice_7_4_1_Community_available_for_download.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibreOffice_7_4_1_Community_available_for_download.gmi
13:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines LibreOffice 7.4.1 Community available for download
13:35 TR News; Jono Bacon brings home the bacon. Where money goes, Jono follows. Still following Microsoft while pretending to give a shit about us (like Miguel de Icaza and Lintard Pottymouth). http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/
13:35 TR Bot; Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | Techrights
13:35 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
13:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
13:35 TR News; http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_and_Shows_Fedora_vs_Ubuntu_TLLTS_and_Jono_Bacon_Doing_PR.shtml
13:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos and Shows: Fedora vs. Ubuntu, TLLTS, and Jono Bacon Doing PR for Microsoft
13:35 TR News; (NEW): Videos and Shows: Fedora vs. Ubuntu, TLLTS, and Jono Bacon Doing PR for Microsoft http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_and_Shows_Fedora_vs_Ubuntu_TLLTS_and_Jono_Bacon_Doing_PR.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_and_Shows_Fedora_vs_Ubuntu_TLLTS_and_Jono_Bacon_Doing_PR.gmi
13:39 mixling; problem with IBM/RedHat... they seem to heavily involved with critical components of "free software", including GNU toolchain
13:39 mixling; glibc
13:40 mixling; glibc, can be replaced, this problem is solved, both technically and politically
13:40 mixling; *too heavily involved
13:41 mixling; systemd/gtk ... a RedHat thing
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13:41 mixling; i mean, the linux "desktop experience" couldn't be any worse anymore, with or without the wrongdoing of RedHat
13:42 schestowitz[TR]; it used to be harder to use gnu/linux
13:42 mixling; it's that bad, i removed almost everything possible which is (C) IBM/RedHat: pam, glibc, systemd, elfutils
13:42 schestowitz[TR]; rfed hat did a lot of good, toio
13:42 mixling; soon will follow, i hope, the entire GNU toolchain
13:42 mixling; and, the entire GNU buildsystem
13:42 techuser; mixling: we just have some success at porting Windows experience onto GNU/Linux
13:42 schestowitz[TR]; mixling: and then remove the PC compltely
13:42 schestowitz[TR]; because "USA"
13:43 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: wrong, it couldn't become any worse, to develop for and with GNU/Linux
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; compre to?
13:43 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: i must drink Vodka to stomach configure.ac and whatnot clutter
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; did you develop for it 20 years ago?
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; it was no picnic
13:43 mixling; compared to, for example, some inspirational ideas from suckless.org
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; suckless is not old
13:43 mixling; tcc-toolchain, older kernel versions
13:44 schestowitz[TR]; you are longing for broken software
13:44 schestowitz[TR]; that did not support many essential things
13:44 schestowitz[TR]; like acceleration
13:44 mixling; how could anything not be consider broken wreckage beyond repair nowadays?
13:44 schestowitz[TR]; it's too big now
13:44 schestowitz[TR]; and hence more buggy
13:44 schestowitz[TR]; it happens to browsers also
13:44 schestowitz[TR]; software starts elegant
13:44 schestowitz[TR]; and over time bloated
13:44 schestowitz[TR]; and hard to improve
13:44 schestowitz[TR]; or fix without breaking
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; so people start over
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; you are not starting over
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; you go back to older version of the broken software
13:45 mixling; i don't know, seeing GNU autotools... if it had been any good in the past
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; some people make small kernels now
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; but they are never competitive enough
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; even gulag tried
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; fuchsia
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; countless others
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; but lesser knownm
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; they don't own the media connections
13:46 mixling; Linux kernel was decent, it's core was ~100K LoC, at that scale, most of the clutter was device drivers
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; that was for old computers
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; the complexity of hardware increased
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; and they doin't make that hardware anymore
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; so you long for old broken software
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; for old hardware that's broken
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; but fixable
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; but not on sale anymore
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; no more bios
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; now it's monsterclusterfuck called UEFI
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; with tons of bugs
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; and you have no chace of fixing them
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; even the companies that make them cannot fix them
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; they ship it buggy
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; and hide the error messages
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; then they ship security updates and brick the whole lot
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; that's "modern"
13:48 mixling; just my argument, the entire industry is wrecked, BEYOND REPAIR
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; start over
13:48 mixling; there is no way forward anymore, strategically
13:48 mixling; and any ROLL-BACK too is extremely difficult
13:48 mixling; with both, hardware and software
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; web b rowsers that are "modern" will soon be 40 million lines of code
13:48 schestowitz[TR]; not counting the bloated dependencies
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; even libreoffice is far from that scale
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; writing code takes less time than removing bad code
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; and then testing the removal
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; but capitalism is only about expanbsion
13:49 mixling; libreoffice, i don't know
13:49 schestowitz[TR]; new hardware, new code, MOAR FEEEECHERS
13:50 mixling; same argument, it's OK, to rely on such a C++ monstrosity, LibreOffice..
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; I got a lot more done with previous verisons of firefox and thunderbird
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; like 15 years ago
13:50 mixling; it is OK, IF AND ONLY IF, some alternative remained (authoring with markdown, tex, troff whatnot)
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; it was a lot more powerful back then
13:50 schestowitz[TR]; they killed xul and didn't even stop there
13:51 mixling; same with browsers such as Moz/CHrome/Webkit, OK, IF AND ONLY IF some alternative remained
13:51 schestowitz[TR]; the issue in a nutshell
13:51 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/04/08/planned-obsolescence-ibm/
13:51 TR Bot; IBM and Fedora: Stop Being Poor! Buy a New PC! | Techrights
13:51 mixling; such as w3m/links/lynx... however, see for yourself... no online job portal access with those, no GAFAM crap, no online banking, no online shopping
13:51 schestowitz[TR]; you should support local shops anyway
13:51 schestowitz[TR]; walk in, buy stuff
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; if it's brokejn you can return it
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; they know where you got it from
13:52 mixling; the entire WWW is practically defunct nowadays, with w3c standards compliant browsers, lynx does implement relevant w3c standards!
13:52 mixling; however, see for yourself
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; no, worse
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; they implement first
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; then add to w3d
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; with shovels and wheelbarrows
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; like MSFT with OOXML
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; they stopped bothering
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; ISO already had a gaping hole
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wiki/ISO
13:52 TR Bot; ISO - Techrights
13:53 mixling; reminds me, most ITU-T related telco-standards, it's all MICROS~1 office documents
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; on the www, there is only illusioon of standards now
13:53 MinceR; the w3c has failed
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; the browsers ARE the standard
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; and if yours is not supported
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; "tough luck"
13:53 mixling; RFC, are ASCII text... pick your poison
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; Stop Being Poor! Buy a New PC!
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; geta NEW browser
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; "modern"
13:53 MinceR; after all the preaching about the "open web", they've rubberstamped MPEG LA's patent-encumbered codecs and Extremely Malicious Extensions
13:54 schestowitz[TR]; btw, new unicode is out
13:54 schestowitz[TR]; they're still going and going
13:54 schestowitz[TR]; until all old software is broken
13:54 schestowitz[TR]; for using "outdated" unicode
13:54 schestowitz[TR]; like drupal 6
13:54 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> The Unicode Blog: Announcing The Unicode Standard, Version 15.0 https://blog.unicode.org/2022/09/announcing-unicode-standard-version-150.html Source: Unicode | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.unicode.org/2022/09/announcing-unicode-standard-version-150.html
13:54 TR Bot; The Unicode Blog: Announcing The Unicode Standard, Version 15.0
13:55 schestowitz[TR]; utf-8/16
13:55 schestowitz[TR]; WHICH one?
13:55 schestowitz[TR]; we'll soon have enough bits to make each word in each language a "character"
13:56 schestowitz[TR]; they might then sell out [satirical, not serious] processors with acceleratos with language processing in the chatset sense
13:56 schestowitz[TR]; "HEY HI| accelerator
13:56 mixling; well, yes, finally it was some GAFAM implementation of Unicode for GNOME/GTK, which wrecked it
13:56 schestowitz[TR]; for unicode++++
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; and connected chars
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; like iranian developers in github
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; but the ones who live in iran
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; github bans iranians
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; because... because!
13:57 MinceR; a few thousand more emoji?
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; yes1
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; green hands
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; blue hands
13:57 schestowitz[TR]; for each hand
13:57 MinceR; (because that's what a general purpose character encoding needs)
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; must be inclusive
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; for each genture we need all colours
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; and all shades of brown
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; otherwise some mpeople won't know which emoji to choiose
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; "i ain't black"
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; "ain't white"
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; "I ain't THAT brown"
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; "but I just want to do a thumbs up"
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; "please select gesture"
13:58 schestowitz[TR]; "select colour"
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; "select size"
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; "select gender"
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; [HUGE MENU UNFOLDS]
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; "select how much tghe thumb is up"
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; you: up yours!
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; "I just wants a simple gesture"
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; "sleects mniddle finger instead"
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; "select colour"
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; "OH, F* OFF!!"
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; I noticed this years ago
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; it wasn't enough to have emmojis
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; but to add many of the same
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; causinmg
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; 1) bloat
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; 2 ) pollution
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; 3) confusion
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; 4) cruft
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; and we pay for it
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; with the planet
14:01 mixling; heh, Unicode, this could be a blocker with a ROLL-BACK
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; all this so that a black person might not have to face the discomfort of seeing a thumbs=up with the "wrong" colour
14:01 mixling; yep... stumbled upon this more than once, within the X11 realm
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; a lot of this is connected to the "lets's stop using the word master"
14:02 mixling; not sure yet, what some tiny libc and linux-2.4 would support
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; and now developers have more bugs
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; having to change code and scripts
14:02 mixling; however, guess what, i can live with ASCII, i can live with it
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; and emoji checks foir a gesture need to include many conditions
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; for each colour of the rainbow or grey/brown scale
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; this is not progress
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; it's balance done wrong
14:02 mixling; only worse than NO unicode support, is the available implementations for Unicode
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; the priority should not be thuis
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; but the developers got bored
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; the software got done
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; the managers then egg them on to write more and more code
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; more art
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; more icons
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; to keep them busy
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; so the software got bigger and bigger
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; and we are forc-efed that "latest version"
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; now with 10 icons for the same gesture"
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; and 10 condition checks for each
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; slower
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; loads page
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; needs to get 10 png files for the same gesture
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; routers work harder
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; more emissions
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; but emissions are woke
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; they're fine
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; buy a new iPhone
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; it now OMITs the taiwan flag
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; the apple slave factory depends on it
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; no omission of taiwan flag
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; apple cannot have slave access
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; iphone gets expensive to make
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; apple makes less money
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; APPLE (NYSE) shareholders less happy
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; start posting many frown faces
14:05 schestowitz[TR]; in all colours possible
14:05 schestowitz[TR]; even blue face froen
14:05 schestowitz[TR]; cannot breath, suffocated
14:05 schestowitz[TR]; "get the latest emoji set... now WITH LESS Taiwan flag"
14:05 mixling; you know what, for the sake of it, i may _intentionally_ remove Unicode support
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; uniciode was OK
14:06 mixling; then, i got back Elvis editor
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; I don't know what unicode is anymore
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; people tell me emoji is prt of unicode
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; and messaging "apps" extend that too
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; with "icons" like "happy birthday"
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; proprietary obv.
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; more images to transport over ther network
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; 32k characters are not enough
14:07 schestowitz[TR]; need 32k^8
14:07 schestowitz[TR]; now they have pregnant men too
14:07 schestowitz[TR]; I thought it was a joke at first
14:07 schestowitz[TR]; then I realised it was not
14:07 schestowitz[TR]; soon people will moan
14:07 schestowitz[TR]; coz there is only a unicolour pregnant man
14:07 schestowitz[TR]; we need to have 10
14:07 schestowitz[TR]; yellow, brown, bloack, third srimester
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; and the unicode cartel will moan
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; cannot render icon
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; you use an old "i"phone
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; it's already 3 years old
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; "give it to grandma"
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; "buy a new one!"
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; from the sweatshop
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14:14 TR News; (NEW): Open Hardware and Devices With Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Open_Hardware_and_Devices_With_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Open_Hardware_and_Devices_With_Linux.gmi
14:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines Open Hardware and Devices With Linux
14:14 TR News; (NEW): Proprietary Junk and Security Problems http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Proprietary_Junk_and_Security_Problems.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Proprietary_Junk_and_Security_Problems.gmi
14:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines Proprietary Junk and Security Problems
14:17 TR News; Intel doomed? https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/14/arm-fills-in-some-gaps-and-details-in-server-chip-roadmaps/
14:17 TR Bot; Arm Fills In Some Gaps And Details In Server Chip Roadmaps
14:18 TR News; Intel will work its staff to death until its own death. Got two contacts inside Intel. It ain't pretty... and they LOSE money.
14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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14:21 TR News; 'Parasite' mode: "Disneys 2016 decision to close its game publishing unit means Disney had to transition to a licensing model to capitalize on such IP [sic] for games." https://variety.com/vip/why-disney-remains-a-major-gaming-licensor-not-a-player-1235371894/
14:21 TR Bot; Disney Remains aMajor Gaming Licensor --Not a Player - Variety
14:24 TR News; ZDNet is part of a private MARKETING (brainwash) company, so it's VERY hard to assess its financial situation unless there's some bold whistleblower from the bean-counting dept. (like the Twitter whistleblower who exposed the fraud in the 'fake scale' dept.)
14:25 TR News; Also, hard to assess just how much money GitHub and YouTube are losing. The parent entity/ies mixed all sorts of things, so even insiders can barely calculate these things (a detailed list of expenses that are applicable)
14:26 TR News; Modern 'tech' corporations: operating at a LOSS, at OUR expense, to make us miserable and control us on behalf on those whom we're forced to bail out. What a racket.
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14:34 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi
14:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
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14:36 TR News; Links 15/09/2022: LibreOffice 7.4.1 and Red Hat Panic Over Staff Exodus | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/libreoffice-7-4-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/15/libreoffice-7-4-1/
14:36 TR Bot; Links 15/09/2022: LibreOffice 7.4.1 and Red Hat Panic Over Staff Exodus | Techrights
14:36 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_leftovers.gmi
14:36 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
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14:39 TR News; "I went to a bookbinding shop today asking if they would teach me some of their craft but the owner, an old guy, was so harsh... Almost rude." gemini://siiky.srht.site/kB45oC/no-bookbinding.gmi
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14:39 TR News; XBCHOSA Wordo: ILIUM gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-09-15.gmi
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14:45 mixling; at least one problem with linux-2.4: 32bit time_t and year 2038
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14:55 schestowitz[TR]; there are worse issues then these
14:55 schestowitz[TR]; like data integrity
14:55 schestowitz[TR]; *than these
14:57 mixling; data integrity?
14:58 MinceR; https://nitter.it/YudinGreg/status/1570101428542402561
14:58 TR Bot; Yudin (@YudinGreg): "Since there is a lot of interest in what is the reaction to the recent military setbacks in Russia, awith an update. There are three distinct groups in Russia: 1/25"|nitter.it
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 173.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 165.01
15:02 schestowitz[TR]; mixling: file system bugs
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; there are also security bugs
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; that are now known and exploitable remotely
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; IF you connect that to the Net
15:03 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: that's not any different to most recent kernel versions
15:04 schestowitz[TR]; but they can be patched easily
15:04 mixling; the attack surface in userspace will be tiny to non-existent with the proposed system
15:05 mixling; local-root exploits are a non-issue
15:05 schestowitz[TR]; attack surface !!
15:05 mixling; if any it is remote-exploits against any kernel-api in networking stack
15:05 mixling; long story short, a version roll-back won't expose additional threats
15:06 schestowitz[TR]; so security is not your aim
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15:06 mixling; schestowitz[TR]: try to nuke my irc session
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15:06 mixling; tell you what it is: statically linked catgirl-irc client with bearssl/libtls
15:07 schestowitz[TR]; i cannot nuke others' either
15:07 schestowitz[TR]; ddos at os level based on ip address is another matter
15:07 schestowitz[TR]; or swatting you
15:07 mixling; the loopdev block-layer crypto is easily implemented against linux-2.4 even
15:07 mixling; because, this is the one i forward-ported back to linux-5.10
15:08 mixling; that's safe too
15:08 mixling; ssh will be safe
15:08 mixling; with tcc-toolchain bounds-checker there is some problems remaining
15:09 mixling; anyway, it's more a general question, what limitations there are with a ROLL-BACK
15:09 mixling; because, strategically, there is no way forward beyond gcc47 for example
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15:09 mixling; and even this, the entire GNU-toolchain and buildsystem are on the hitlist for removal
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15:24 TR News; Night Colour in KDE: Small New Feature, Potentially Valuable in This Crisis Mode Era | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/kde-night-color/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/15/kde-night-color/
15:24 TR Bot; Night Colour in KDE: Small New Feature, Potentially Valuable in This Crisis Mode Era | Techrights
15:28 mixling; anyone knows if x86_64 will be safe with 64bit time_t and linux-2.4?
15:29 mixling; however, then the challenge is, to find any x86_64 64bit hardware for linux-2.4
15:29 mixling; problem is, the linux kernel version which addressed year2038 problem is v5.6
15:30 mixling; that's another deadlock, theoretical currently:
15:31 mixling; if a version ROLL-BACK was necessary, to anything similar to linux-2.4, then this blocks with 32bit hardware against year2038
15:31 mixling; and 32bit hardware is the appropriate choice mostly with linux-2.4, the ao486 is the most recent opensource hardware SoC for x86 hardware
15:33 mixling; mjg59_: cannot drink as much vodka as i wanted to puke over this
15:33 mixling; this reminds me of the NASA story, dumpster diving for i8086 spare parts, for their Space Shuttle
15:33 TR News; (NEW): 6 Ways to Harden your Debian system http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/6_Ways_to_Harden_your_Debian_system.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/6_Ways_to_Harden_your_Debian_system.gmi
15:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines 6 Ways to Harden your Debian system
15:38 mixling; that's another hypothetical question, such as, if, just what if:
15:39 mixling; both any system with a version ROLL-BACK was wrecked (year2038), and any software version beyond that was too wrecked
15:40 mixling; the usual "intellect" involved would argue, hey, get along with x86_64, however that's hardware mostly _not_ supported with older kernels
15:40 TR News; (NEW): 13 Best Email Clients for Ubuntu in 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/13_Best_Email_Clients_for_Ubuntu_in_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/13_Best_Email_Clients_for_Ubuntu_in_2022.gmi
15:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines 13 Best Email Clients for Ubuntu in 2022
15:40 TR News; (NEW): This Flutter-based Unofficial Software Center Might Replace Ubuntu's Official App http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/This_Flutter_based_Unofficial_Software_Center_Might_Replace_Ubu.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/This_Flutter_based_Unofficial_Software_Center_Might_Replace_Ubu.gmi
15:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines This Flutter-based Unofficial Software Center Might Replace Ubuntu's Official App
15:40 mixling; and the most recent opensource SoC for x86 is: ao486, not any 64bit of IBM Wintel Pentagon shitware
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15:48 TR News; (NEW): Work and Play: #HowTo Use the Steam Deck as a Desktop Replacement http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Work_and_Play_How_to_Use_the_Steam_Deck.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Work_and_Play_How_to_Use_the_Steam_Deck.gmi
15:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines Work and Play: How to Use the Steam Deck as a Desktop Replacement
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15:59 matteobin; Hello there!
16:00 matteobin; A friend of mine would like to buy this ThinkPad X270 https://www.amazon.it/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X270-HDMI-WiFi-WebCam-Tastiera-Ricondizionato/dp/B09RX3LVS2?psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFDU1BQUzA2SDcyNlomZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA5NzU1ODdaUFBBWlYxMkI0NUomZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDA2Njc4NFZGUUlTQUNON0RBOCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU%3D
16:00 TR Bot; ThinkPad X270 Notebook 12.5 1366768 | Intel Core i5-6200U 2.3Ghz | 8GB RAM | 480gb ssd | HDMI-WiFi-WebCam-Tastiera Italiana | WINDOWS 10 PRO (Ricondizionato) : Amazon.it: Informatica
16:00 matteobin; Is it good for Debian?
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16:01 matteobin; Is the price ok? Is this a good, durable and easy to fix laptop?
16:04 TR News; (NEW): Stable Kernels: Linux 5.19.9, Linux 5.15.68, Linux 5.10.143, Linux 5.4.213, Linux 4.19.258, Linux 4.14.293, and Linux 4.9.328 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Stable_Kernels_Linux_5_19_9_Linux_5_15_68_Linux_5_10_143_Linux_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Stable_Kernels_Linux_5_19_9_Linux_5_15_68_Linux_5_10_143_Linux_.gmi
16:04 TR Bot; Tux Machines Stable Kernels: Linux 5.19.9, Linux 5.15.68, Linux 5.10.143, Linux 5.4.213, Linux 4.19.258, Linux 4.14.293, and Linux 4.9.328
16:04 matteobin; Short link: https://www.amazon.it/dp/B09RX3LVS2
16:04 TR Bot; ThinkPad X270 Notebook 12.5 1366768 | Intel Core i5-6200U 2.3Ghz | 8GB RAM | 480gb ssd | HDMI-WiFi-WebCam-Tastiera Italiana | WINDOWS 10 PRO (Ricondizionato) : Amazon.it: Informatica
16:04 MinceR; it's not nearly as good as ThinkPads used to be
16:04 MinceR; i have an X270 here
16:04 TR News; (NEW): SUSE adds security automation support for Kernel Live Patches http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/SUSE_adds_security_automation_support_for_Kernel_Live_Patches.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/SUSE_adds_security_automation_support_for_Kernel_Live_Patches.gmi
16:04 TR Bot; Tux Machines SUSE adds security automation support for Kernel Live Patches
16:04 MinceR; some newer Linux version no longer boots on it
16:04 MinceR; the TrackPoint likes to go on hikes
16:04 MinceR; the fan sometimes gets really loud
16:04 matteobin; What do you suggest? Should I tell him not to buy it?
16:05 MinceR; the battery started to bulge
16:05 MinceR; the only advantage this piece of shit has over older ThinkPads is the faster CPU/GPU and more RAM
16:05 MinceR; i don't know
16:05 MinceR; all laptops sucks nowadays
16:05 MinceR; if for no other reason, then because of UEFI
16:06 matteobin; Should I tell him to buy an older one?
16:06 MinceR; oh, also, you could remove the battery on older ThinkPads with 2 hands
16:06 MinceR; but since chinks don't understand the design, this one requires 3 hands
16:06 MinceR; dunno
16:06 MinceR; the "modern" web might not work on an older one
16:07 matteobin; Is the X230 better? https://minifree.org/product/libre-x230/
16:07 TR Bot; Libre X230, 12.5 1366768 with secure coreboot firmware Minifree Ltd
16:08 MinceR; maybe
16:08 MinceR; some of the bullshit is already present on it
16:08 MinceR; the keyboard seems to be the same
16:08 MinceR; the casing seems to be mostly the same
16:08 MinceR; they may have already cheaped out on the fan and the TrackPoint
16:09 matteobin; What are good ThinkPad models?
16:09 MinceR; well, my X60s is good, except it's old so its CPU is slow and it can't handle more than 2.5 GB (or something like that) RAM
16:10 MinceR; but it has no UEFI or Intel ME
16:10 matteobin; I think he would like to watch Netflix on it. Can your X60s handle Netflix?
16:11 MinceR; unlikely
16:11 MinceR; though i mostly only used openbsd on it, so it's hard to tell
16:12 MinceR; web video was relatively slow on openbsd even on my ExpertBook B9
16:15 matteobin; Are you saying web video is usually slower on OpenBSD than GNU/Linux.
16:15 matteobin; Why do you use OpenBSD instead of NetBSD?
16:18 TR News; This world is run by 'king makers'. To impact the world, "powerless" people might have a better chance collectively influencing the king makers rather than influencing the kings, persuading them (e.g. strike action, leaks) to change the policies of kings they appoint/lobby. They have power, but we have the numbers. These king makers include media magnates that are in bed with "the industries". They control minds.
16:19 TR News; (NEW): The art and science of secure open source software development http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/The_art_and_science_of_secure_open_source_software_development.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/The_art_and_science_of_secure_open_source_software_development.gmi
16:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines The art and science of secure open source software development
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
16:22 MinceR; netbsd keeps kicking my mouse off USB
16:23 MinceR; wait, i think i did test web video with gnu/linux on that machine, i'll look it up
16:24 MinceR; it didn't work well on any system
16:25 XRevan86; schestowitz: "btw, new unicode is out; they're still going and going; until all old software is broken; for using "outdated" unicode; like drupal 6" <- That's a very strange way to say "I use MariaDB with utf8mb3, and 3 octets haven't been enough for a while".
16:25 matteobin; What do you mean with "kicking my mouse off USB"? Are you saying that your USB mouse does not work with NetBSD?
16:25 MinceR; openbsd chromium "doesn't even start playing", openbsd failfox "noticeably choppy even non-fullscreen theater mode default quality (480p); can't really handle fullscreen at all"
16:25 MinceR; void failfox "no audio, freezes up after fullscreen/exit/pause/play automatic quality is pretty low"
16:25 MinceR; void toram failfox "no audio, seems smoother. after forcing to 720p, doesn't really play video anymore."
16:25 matteobin; So it's a no-no for streaming.
16:26 XRevan86; schestowitz: 4 octets are enough for everything and then some, so new additions to Unicode do not even make a dent.
16:26 MinceR; netbsd failfox "has audio, but noticeably choppy even in non-fullscreen theater mode 480p. picked 720p as default, no significant difference. pause is significantly delayed, play is somewhat delayed."
16:27 XRevan86; MinceR: https://nitter.it/YudinGreg/status/1570101428542402561 <- Nadiezhdin is a "system liberal" and such, but he's not the only one who's voiced zrada on live TV.
16:27 TR Bot; Yudin (@YudinGreg): "Since there is a lot of interest in what is the reaction to the recent military setbacks in Russia, awith an update. There are three distinct groups in Russia: 1/25"|nitter.it
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16:27 TR Bot; Our Static Page Generator in Action: Early Incarnation With Image Support | Techrights
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16:27 matteobin; Have I missed something?
16:27 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: 25 parts?
16:27 schestowitz[TR]; seems like he wanted to write an article
16:27 schestowitz[TR]; not tweets
16:27 schestowitz[TR]; twitter is not a news site
16:28 schestowitz[TR]; it's also full of troolls and bots
16:28 XRevan86; MinceR: Otherwise not a bad assessment
16:28 schestowitz[TR]; the latter is design to falsely reinforce participation
16:28 MinceR; in BrowserBench, on the ExpertBook B9 (much newer and more powerful laptop), i got much better scores on void than on openbsd
16:28 schestowitz[TR]; so mr. yudin will think his audience is vastly bigger than it really is
16:28 schestowitz[TR]; see what the head of security of twitter until this past january says
16:29 MinceR; i could play fullhd youtube video in full screen on that machine either way, but it didn't have a lot of CPU power left for other tasks on openbsd
16:29 schestowitz[TR]; he said what I had repeatedly shown months prior
16:29 schestowitz[TR]; twitter is oone goant fake
16:29 schestowitz[TR]; *giant
16:29 XRevan86; schestowitz: That's how MinceR shared it, I didn't think about it. Here's a fixed link: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1570101428542402561.html
16:29 TR Bot; Thread by @YudinGreg on Thread Reader App Thread Reader App
16:29 schestowitz[TR]; cheers
16:29 schestowitz[TR]; it'll vanish one day
16:29 schestowitz[TR]; it\ outsourced
16:29 MinceR; everything on Earth will vanish one day
16:29 schestowitz[TR]; a lot of war correspondents' war will vanish in a few yeasrs
16:29 matteobin; So the X60 is no good for video streaming. What about playing videos offline, i.e. with mpv?
16:30 schestowitz[TR]; then russia can rewrite history
16:30 MinceR; every human body and every information, that is
16:30 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: relatively speaking
16:30 MinceR; matteobin: it's an X60s, but i don't think there's a big difference from the ordinary X60 in this matter
16:30 MinceR; matteobin: iirc it worked better, but i don't recall exactly, nor do i have notes on it
16:33 schestowitz[TR]; bad physics https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/324778876/tf2-spy-hangs-himself
16:33 TR Bot; spy hangs himself Blank Template - Imgflip
16:34 XRevan86; schestowitz: "it'll vanish one day" <- Plenty of those Invidious links TechrightsBot-tr generates are vanished on the spot.
16:34 matteobin; So should I let him buy that X270 if he wants to watch Netflix on it?
16:35 *psydruid wonders what kind of hardware X270 contains
16:36 MinceR; there are different X270s
16:37 MinceR; mine has a i7-7500U and 16G RAM
16:37 MinceR; s/16G/16GB/
16:37 MinceR; it runs the "modern" web fine
16:37 MinceR; i'd be surprised if it wasn't powerful enough to handle netfucks
16:38 MinceR; OTOH the fan suddenly deciding to scream REAL loud while watching streamed video can be annoying
16:39 schestowitz[TR]; activelow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelander
16:39 TR Bot; Homelander - Wikipedia
16:43 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/15/you-are-weaklings-waging-a-war-against-civilians-says-zelensky-in-response-to-russian-missile-strikes-in-kryvyi-rih "'You are weaklings waging a war against civilians,' says Zelensky in response to Russian missile strikes in Kryvyi Rih"
16:43 TR Bot; NO TITLE
16:43 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09/15/the-special-military-operation-turned-into-warfare-long-ago "The special military operation turned into warfare long ago Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov calls for Russias regions to individually declare mobilization"
16:43 TR Bot; NO TITLE
16:43 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/255084
16:43 TR Bot; Wagner PMC recruited a cannibal in a Russian prison, head of Russia Behind Bars reports
16:44 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/255079
16:44 TR Bot; Jailed Navalny forced to see his lawyers from behind opaque glass
16:44 MinceR; what, he can see through opaque glass?
16:44 XRevan86; MinceR: "See" as in "meet".
16:44 MinceR; :>
16:44 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/15/russia-launches-another-attack-on-hydraulic-facilities-in-ukraines-kryvyi-rih-news "Russia launches another attack on hydraulic facilities in Ukraines Kryvyi Rih"
16:44 TR Bot; .
16:46 matteobin; Thanks for the tips on ThinkPads! :D
16:49 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1570185578876121088
16:49 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "After my clip featuring Boris Nadezhdin went viral , top Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov wondered out loud why he wasn't thrown in jail. Nadezhdin criticized unnamed officials for advising Putin to invade Ukraine and called for peace talks."|nitter.it
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17:05 TR News; [Meme] The Big News is That Big Blue Has Driven Away Tons of Essential Engineers and Managers of Red Hat | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/losing-critical-engineers/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/15/losing-critical-engineers/
17:05 TR Bot; [Meme] The Big News is That Big Blue Has Driven Away Tons of Essential Engineers and Managers of Red Hat | Techrights
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17:12 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi
17:12 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
17:13 TR News; (NEW): KDE Plasma 5.26 Desktop Environment Enters Public Beta Testing, Heres Whats New http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/KDE_Plasma_5_26_Desktop_Environment_Enters_Public_Beta_Testing_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/KDE_Plasma_5_26_Desktop_Environment_Enters_Public_Beta_Testing_.gmi
17:13 TR Bot; Tux Machines KDE Plasma 5.26 Desktop Environment Enters Public Beta Testing, Heres Whats New
17:13 TR News; (NEW): LibreOffice 7.4 Office Suite Gets First Point Release, 80 Bugs Fixed http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibreOffice_7_4_Office_Suite_Gets_First_Point_Release.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibreOffice_7_4_Office_Suite_Gets_First_Point_Release.gmi
17:13 TR Bot; Tux Machines LibreOffice 7.4 Office Suite Gets First Point Release, 80 Bugs Fixed
17:13 TR News; (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Today_in_Techrights.gmi
17:13 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
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17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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17:36 TR News; Without Masks and Social Distancing COVID-19 Puts About 8 Times As Many People in British Hospitals https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/15/british-hospitals-stats/
17:36 TR Bot; Blog Archive Without Masks and Social Distancing COVID-19 Puts About 8 Times As Many People in British Hospitals
17:40 XRevan86; https://reuters.com/world/europe/iaea-board-passes-resolution-calling-russia-leave-zaporizhzhia-2022-09-15/
17:40 TR Bot; board passes resolution calling on Russia to leave Zaporizhzhia | Reuters
17:41 schestowitz[TR]; russia doesn't care
17:41 schestowitz[TR]; only selctivelyt
17:41 schestowitz[TR]; for PR
17:41 schestowitz[TR]; when it suits some line
17:41 schestowitz[TR]; like, we care about safety of ukraine
17:42 TR News; KDE neon 20220915 out today. New ISO. https://neon.kde.org/
17:42 TR Bot; KDE neon
17:43 XRevan86; schestowitz: Pretty much.
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17:43 XRevan86; But it'll have to respond, and I'm curious about what will be said. I can roughly guess but still.
17:44 CrystalMath; that nuclear power plant is shut down anyway
17:45 CrystalMath; the only problem is that ukrainians could shell the storage facility
17:45 TR News; The ubuntu.com, or Subnautica: Heres Zero. Why is there a major free feature? - Game News 24 https://game-news24.com/2022/09/15/the-ubuntu-com-or-subnautica-here-s-zero-why-is-there-a-major-free-feature/
17:45 TR Bot; The ubuntu.com, or Subnautica: Here's Zero. Why is there a major free feature? - Game News 24
17:46 schestowitz[TR]; CrystalMath: the probelm is, you might kill yourself
17:46 schestowitz[TR]; why would ukraine attack ukraine?
17:46 schestowitz[TR]; maybe we should let russia save ukraine... from itself
17:46 CrystalMath; obviously they want to pressure russia to leave
17:46 XRevan86; CrystalMath: It's *not* shut down.
17:47 CrystalMath; XRevan86: hmm, that's bad
17:47 CrystalMath; it needs to be shut down
17:47 XRevan86; And shutting down a plant has consequences in on its own.
17:47 XRevan86; Not going to happen.
17:48 CrystalMath; i really think they should shut down the plant, russia controls it, they could do it
17:48 CrystalMath; but if they won't, well, then they're not doing things right again
17:48 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Shutting down the plant takes a lot of time.
17:48 TR News; Maybe Liz II could exceed 80 years in the throne had she not been infected. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/15/british-hospitals-stats/
17:48 TR Bot; Blog Archive Without Masks and Social Distancing COVID-19 Puts About 8 Times As Many People in British Hospitals
17:48 CrystalMath; well, after yesterday, the best day to start is today
17:49 XRevan86; The concerns are immediate while the plant would be shutting down for like half a year.
17:49 TR News; KDE has made it easier to change contrast/brightness/colours overnight; the above video shows all the existing options (available in experimental builds) http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/kde-night-color/
17:49 TR Bot; Night Colour in KDE: Small New Feature, Potentially Valuable in This Crisis Mode Era | Techrights
17:49 CrystalMath; can't they just submerge the control rods until the reaction stops?
17:50 TR News; The above story from a Microsoft media operative in a Microsoft- and IBM-funded site distracts from the simple fact that theres a longstanding HR crisis at Red Hat; we wrote about it over the years and salaried IBM staff actively tried to suppress links to our writings http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/losing-critical-engineers/
17:50 XRevan86; At least that's what I heard. The only person in here who understands nuclear power plants is also insane.
17:50 TR Bot; [Meme] The Big News is That Big Blue Has Driven Away Tons of Essential Engineers and Managers of Red Hat | Techrights
17:50 TR News; What the future of this site might look like, at least in sections that shall be managed without a bloated/cluttered front end and a bloated back end (with or without caching) that are a burden to maintain http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/staging-new-techrights/
17:50 TR Bot; Our Static Page Generator in Action: Early Incarnation With Image Support | Techrights
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17:52 mixling; CrystalMath: if the NPP was disconnected to the grid, it requires some emergency electricity supply from somewhere
17:52 XRevan86; CrystalMath means complete shut down.
17:52 mixling; either any of 6 reactors continue operation, to provide the cooling for the other cores to cool-down, not sure how long
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17:53 mixling; or the NPP requires electricity from the grid, which it disconnected from
17:53 mixling; last reports were, only one reactor core of 6 total continued operation
17:54 mixling; which seems to indicate, it does to continue operation of the cooling system
17:54 mixling; IAEA raised concerns, emergency diesel generators had to be activated already, which is rare these need to (other than testing them)
17:55 XRevan86; Several times.
17:55 CrystalMath; mixling: yes, well they could submerge control rods
17:56 CrystalMath; cooling will hold out until the reaction stops
17:56 CrystalMath; after that there will be no power supply in the region
17:56 CrystalMath; but that's a small price to pay for nuclear safety
17:57 mixling; the last remaining reactor core, probably cannot shut down, if it got no electricity supply from somewhere else, to be cooled
17:57 mixling; how long, i don't know
17:57 CrystalMath; reactivating the power plant would be difficult, indeed, but it's not the time to think about that
17:58 XRevan86; Anyway, we'll see what Russia's going to do here. Not much has been heard from the ZPP side after the start of the Ukrainian offensive, potentially because everyone's too busy to shell a plant.
17:59 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/antifake/255070
17:59 TR Bot; Russian Ministry of Defense passes off an old bridge pylon as a destroyed barge carrying a Ukrainian landing force
18:00 TR News; Auto Xylophone features hand-wound solenoids | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/15/auto-xylophone-features-hand-wound-solenoids/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/15/auto-xylophone-features-hand-wound-solenoids/
18:00 TR Bot; Auto Xylophone features hand-wound solenoids | Arduino Blog
18:01 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: it's like that mere of lukashenko
18:01 schestowitz[TR]; pointing at the map with a stick
18:01 schestowitz[TR]; and talkingn nonsense
18:01 schestowitz[TR]; *meme
18:02 XRevan86; Speaking of which
18:02 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/15/a78798
18:02 TR Bot; Belarus Strongman Chops Wood for Europeans 'Freezing to Death' - The Moscow Times
18:02 CrystalMath; hehe, i saw that
18:03 CrystalMath; as i hater of the EU, i found it funny
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18:03 CrystalMath; *as a
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18:05 TR News; Microsoft front group expands to a continent where it can misrepresent Linux users some more https://www.fosslife.org/linux-foundation-europe-focus-open-collaboration
18:05 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Europe to Focus on Open Collaboration
18:06 TR News; "FreeBSD on the Framework Laptop, Win32 is the only stable ABI on Linux, why OpenBSDs documentation is so good, configure dma for mail delivery in jails on internet hosts, introducing muxfs, RAID1C boot support, and more" https://www.bsdnow.tv/472
18:06 TR Bot; BSD Now 472: Consistent Exit Code
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18:08 XRevan86; It is interesting that only Russia and PRC voted against the IAEA resolution.
18:09 XRevan86; All the Russia's situational "allies" abstained.
18:12 TR News; Librewolf Browser has come to PCLinuxOS https://www.pclinuxos.com/?p=5233
18:12 TR Bot; Browser PCLinuxOS
18:18 XRevan86; https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/releases/0.3.58
18:18 TR Bot; 0.3.58 PipeWire / pipewire GitLab
18:19 mixling; meanwhile, anti-spiegel.ru is boilung up some "fake news" campaign against RAND corp. USA
18:19 mixling; i was rolling on the floor laughing, yesterday already
18:19 schestowitz[TR]; sigh
18:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:20 schestowitz[TR]; USA is a problem
18:20 schestowitz[TR]; painting it as "RAND" is BS
18:20 mixling; RAND corp felt urged to warn on their web-site some "fake" documents were circulated
18:20 schestowitz[TR]; straw man
18:21 mixling; however, here is the fun part, now, to verify the authenticity of the RAND corp paper "research study" - "how to destroy german economy"
18:21 mixling; the author, now compares the "fake" with former undisupted non-fake authentic RAND corp papers
18:21 TR News; More bloat, more Microsoft, more censorship https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-rust-may-make-it-into-the-next-linux-kernel-after-all/
18:21 TR Bot; Torvalds: Rust may make it into the next Linux kernel after all | ZDNET
18:22 mixling; "you see, RAND corp. got no consistent layout for their documents, hence it may not be fake"
18:22 TR News; "The Linux Foundation takes a victory lap, Google kills another community-loved project, and key moments from the Linux Plumbers Conference." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linux-action-news/258/
18:22 TR Bot; Linux Action News 258 | Jupiter Broadcasting
18:22 mixling; in parallel, citing former AUTHENTIC papers of them, when California proposed to locate heavy artillery and nuclear warheads to Ukraine
18:23 mixling; i mean... this was real, this is what they, want to do
18:23 mixling; the recent "fake" however, is full of satire and mockery
18:24 mixling; https://www.rand.org/news/press/2022/09/14.html
18:24 TR Bot; Fake RAND Report on 'Weakening Germany' | RAND
18:24 TR News; (NEW): New Software Builds in PCLinuxOS http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/New_Software_Builds_in_PCLinuxOS.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/New_Software_Builds_in_PCLinuxOS.gmi
18:24 TR Bot; Tux Machines New Software Builds in PCLinuxOS
18:27 CrystalMath; schestowitz[TR]: that's pretty bad news, i've been avoiding linux 5.x but 4.x is only going to hold out for a few more years
18:27 CrystalMath; now i know for sure i will not be using 6.x
18:28 mixling; i want to dispose _all_ "made in USA"
18:29 mixling; and their minions
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18:31 mixling; there was sufficient _technical_ reasons to do so long before, add to this the political ones since recently
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18:32 TR News; (NEW): Linus Torvalds Uses Fedora, Pushes Rust http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Linus_Torvalds_Uses_Fedora_Pushes_Rust.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Linus_Torvalds_Uses_Fedora_Pushes_Rust.gmi
18:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linus Torvalds Uses Fedora, Pushes Rust
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18:33 TR News; Boosting the Collaborative Directory of Geminispace (CDG) Boosting the Collaborative Directory of Geminispace (CDG) "I just wanted to help boost the signal on this cool initiative in whatever small way I can. I like the idea of a user contributed directory like this."
18:34 mixling; furthermore, the "atlantic bridge" affiliation, of the entire political and economic apparatus "intelligence", across all political parties and media channels
18:34 TR News; Boosting the Collaborative Directory of Geminispace (CDG) gemini://gem.saayaa.space/gemlog/2022-09-15-boosting-CDG.gmi "I just wanted to help boost the signal on this cool initiative in whatever small way I can. I like the idea of a user contributed directory like this."
18:34 mixling; in germany, that's an undisputed and documented fact
18:34 mixling; the type of lunatics who plan for and ignite a war in Ukraine, RAND corp and company, those exact same war criminals control Germany still
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; "
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; => gemini://gemini.techrights.org
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; Techright is a capsuled specialised in articles about FLOSS and tech news.
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; ``` Language(s)
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; Language: English"
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; gemini://medusae.space/index.gmi?61
18:35 AdmFubar; https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-15/adobe-is-said-to-near-deal-to-buy-online-design-startup-figma
18:35 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
18:41 schestowitz[TR]; never heard of it
18:41 schestowitz[TR]; probably some proprietary clown thing
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18:42 psydroid3; another photobomb competitor they're going to take off the market
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18:44 mixling; Adobe, just another USA cartell business entity
18:45 mixling; San Jose, California
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18:47 AdmFubar; https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities-threats/token-mining-weakness-microsoft-teams-perfect-phish
18:47 TR Bot; Token-Mining Weakness in Microsoft Teams Makes for Perfect Phish
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18:50 mixling; as far as the tech-sector is concerned, it is impossible to detangle this from the RAND corp Pentagon cartell
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18:51 mixling; with either, proprietary software, and too "free software" is controlled by, them
18:51 mixling; currently, arriving at web-browsers which pose less a threat, just an example, it is not possible anymore
18:52 mixling; to at least navigate online job portals, most GAFAM crap, online banking.... that's all gone
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18:54 mixling; the _technical_ criteria, sufficed already, in recent weeks since USA ignited war in Ukraine, the political ones pile up on top
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19:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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19:25 highest_cubist_thrills; /me is going through the past few months of the fsd to see if theres anything not github-based
19:25 techuser; hi
19:25 highest_cubist_thrills; there is, but not much
19:25 highest_cubist_thrills; REUSE was started by the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) to provide a set of recommendations to make licensing your Free Software projects easier.
19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; fucking hilarious
19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; github too :)
19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; https://github.com/fsfe
19:26 TR Bot; Software Foundation Europe GitHub
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; again, https://github.com/fsfe
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19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; i suppose https://github.com/fsf is next
19:27 TR Bot; GitHub
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; not that gnu doesnt use it already
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; not that the president doesnt use it already
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; but hey, https://github.com/fsfe
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; i guess it stands for free software fraud europe
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; free sweatshop foundation
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; eurotrash
19:29 highest_cubist_thrills; now is the time in sprockets when we sell out! OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ
19:32 DaemonFC; What would be ideal is that San Francisco goes kaput.
19:32 DaemonFC; It's the source of a lot more fraud than innovation.
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19:33 XRevan86; mixling: How ye can prove everything with a public report exploring Russia's weaknesses. So that proves the US is exploiting them and doing that covertly and maliciously? I just saw a post that points out the Armenian-Azerbaijani tensions were mentioned in it as well. Are the recent developments the US' doing then?
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19:33 DaemonFC; They manage to convince "investors" to give them a lot of money and then it turns out that what they were working on was basically utter crap with no business model.
19:34 XRevan86; mixling: Is that more likely than Turkey using its influence to help its ally (Azerbaijan) exploiting the fact that Putin needs Erdogan?
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19:34 DaemonFC; https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/15/apple-cards-head-of-credit-leaves-for-credit-card-startup-x1.html
19:34 TR Bot; Apple Card's credit risk manager leaves for credit card startup X1
19:34 DaemonFC; LOL
19:34 XRevan86; Especially since the latter is not even hidden all that much.
19:35 mixling; XRevan86: i didn't follow the Armenian-Azerbaijan conflict
19:35 DaemonFC; Creditworthiness for a card from a company that made MP3 players that fell over and died after an unknown number of MP3s were copied to it.
19:35 XRevan86; mixling: I even posted news about it here.
19:35 DaemonFC; Their phones are not a lot better.
19:35 mixling; however the Ukraine-Russian-German conflict is harmful too _all_ involved with it, except USA who provoked the conflict
19:35 XRevan86; mixling: It's been going on for a long while.
19:36 mixling; i remember only reports were broadcasted many years ago already
19:36 DaemonFC; "Pabba told CNBC his jobs at Apple and Capital One involved monitoring metrics from credit card holders in aggregate, including how much users are spending, what percentage of them end up as delinquencies and the average of approved credit scores.
19:36 DaemonFC; "I would say these three [metrics] are pretty high level, but you know, Capital One takes a lot of pride in being very, very thorough with these things, and of course, Apple had similar standards as well," Pabba said."
19:36 mixling; however, as said, i do not know anything about this conflict
19:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Capital One is known for giving cards to a lot of bad credit risks.
19:36 XRevan86; mixling: I'm pointing out that the RAND report mentioned it, but the real actors of the resurfacing of the conflict are well-known.
19:36 DaemonFC; Their cards have very high APRs though.
19:36 mixling; with Ukraine-Russia-Germany, however, i followed more closely, the reportin
19:37 mixling; and without doubt, the aggressor #1 is USA in Ukraine
19:37 mixling; USA and their minions, which slightly complicates to namecall the who is who
19:37 XRevan86; Right, with that NATO base in a nuclear power plant, I heard you.
19:38 mixling; i asked, if you preferred a NATO base over Russian control
19:38 DaemonFC; https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/14/secondhand-shopping-is-booming-heres-how-much-you-can-save.html
19:38 TR Bot; Secondhand shopping is booming: Heres how much you can save
19:38 DaemonFC; "become more socially acceptable"
19:38 DaemonFC; LOL
19:38 XRevan86; mixling: No, ye said that it's there.
19:38 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Buying something used wasn't "socially acceptable".
19:38 mixling; XRevan86: i cited reports Westinghouse Electric fiddled inside nuclear plants in Ukraine
19:38 XRevan86; Or more accurately, ye did both at different days.
19:39 mixling; too i cited reports USA supplying weaponry to Ukraine
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19:40 XRevan86; mixling: The nuclear power plant should be left alone by the military, that's my answer, always has been.
19:40 mixling; nuclear plants must be operated by competent staff, that's my answer
19:41 XRevan86; The military are not competent at operating nuclear anything.
19:41 mixling; makes me wonder, why IAEA required 6month(!!) to arrive, for an inspection
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19:43 AdmFubar; https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/09/15/microsoft_365_automatic_update/
19:43 TR Bot; Microsoft rolls out stealthy updates for 365 Apps The Register
19:43 XRevan86; I'm glad they did, seems to have worked.
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19:45 mixling; RAND corp proposed to deploy Nuclear weapons into Ukraine, in their authentic paper
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19:46 mixling; Kremlin demanded "security guarantees" and withdrawel, USA denied this, January 2022... that's what i read
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19:48 mixling; anti-spiegel.ru (Sankt Petersburg) now proposes, Washington shall investigate if the "fake" report was authentic or not, and locate the mole
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19:48 XRevan86; mixling: https://english.nv.ua/nation/scholz-told-putin-before-invasion-ukraine-wouldn-t-join-nato-within-30-years-50264814.html This?
19:48 TR Bot; Scholz told Putin before invasion Ukraine wouldnt join NATO within 30 years / The New Voice of Ukraine
19:49 mixling; XRevan86: in germany some discussed to _leave_ NATO (and quit with USA military oppressors)
19:50 mixling; today german military officials held a meeting, fear "military capabilities of germany in free fall"
19:51 mixling; i had _always_ been sceptical, about this military... remembering my grandmother, talking about her brother who died for this
19:52 mixling; before 1990, the soviet propaganda doctrine, all of the sudden after 1990 USA being the savior of humanity
19:52 mixling; hence, this is what i say, i want all those foreign agents and war criminals from USA to leave my homeland
19:52 mixling; Intel, IBM, Micros~1, get out, that's my opinion
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19:53 mixling; instead, "german" government, prepares for F-35 orders, Intel factory build in east-germany, IBM and this criminal cartell spreading like cancer
19:55 mixling; Russians had not been that invasive nor aggressive towards east-germany ever
19:56 mixling; sadly, all the former east-german/soviet semiconductor manufacturing is gone nowadays
19:57 mixling; XRevan86: if it still existed, i would disconnect internet, dispose all "made in USA" technical gear, go to a library and study what we already had
19:57 mixling; until i was "liberated", in 1990
19:58 mixling; what's happening nowadays is, USA and their technical apparatus being wrecked beyond repair, and the "deprecated" soviet "uncompetitive" "unproducte" scientific stuff vanished
19:58 XRevan86; "makes me wonder, why IAEA required 6month(!!) to arrive, for an inspection" <- They went to the South Ukraine Nuclear Power Plant in March and to Chernobyl in April.
19:58 XRevan86; It's not like they were doing nothing.
19:59 mixling; i remember Chernobyl March 2022 slightly different, supposedly some sensory data transmission was disconnected, and then reconnected
20:02 mixling; in east-germany, Greifswald and others, nuclear plants were shut down shortly after 1990 already
20:02 mixling; 30years later, such decisions pay-off, with electricity prices 3x that of USA
20:03 mixling; gas prices 8x that of USA
20:04 AdmFubar; phone scammers are one a roll right now... three calls in the past half hour
20:05 mixling; and, we're subsidizing Tesla (California) with german money... "carbon certificates"
20:05 mixling; XRevan86: you know why, because USA emits much less CO2 per capita than me
20:06 mixling; the weapons stockpiles of former east german military (NVA, national peoples army), vanished
20:06 mixling; no more Strela rocket launchers to take aim at Tesla factory in Berlin, Intel Fab in Magedeburg and wherever else they lured into
20:08 mixling; the recent Anti-Trust against Google (4billion shitcoins), of EU, that's nowhere near what's appropriate, to re-align with them, California RAND corp
20:09 mixling; east-german hasn't got long-ranger bombers, never had, however if, i would propose a strategy paper such as RAND corp did as follows:
20:09 mixling; to deploy nuclear onto California
20:09 XRevan86; MinceR: https://europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220909IPR40137 <- Shit, they noticed.
20:10 TR Bot; MEPs: Hungary can no longer be considered a full democracy | News | European Parliament
20:10 MinceR; lol
20:10 MinceR; only took them 12 years
20:11 highest_cubist_thrills; mincer: https://github.com/fsfe
20:11 TR Bot; Software Foundation Europe GitHub
20:12 highest_cubist_thrills; /me guesses we dont have to worry about https://github.com/fsf unless they take it over first
20:12 TR Bot; GitHub
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20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
20:20 mixling; USA, RAND corp, intentionally, ignited and _economic_ war
20:20 mixling; that's one explanation why, most technical systems, approach a state of total wreckage beyond repair
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20:21 MinceR; innuendo
20:22 mixling; there's several historical corner-stones: 1984 SCPA, 1990 collapse east-german collapse of semiconductor business there, 2001 patriot act and mass surveillance
20:24 mixling; the "justifications" and "explanations" were altered, depending on political circuumstances, the strategy had always been to monopolize total control
20:24 mixling; into the blessed land, California
20:24 mixling; the "patent" disputes over software, SCO, Novell, etc., that's just some minor side-note, and outdated
20:25 mixling; because USA regained control over "linux" by other means
20:25 mixling; strangely, Sweden seeked to join NATO, surprise...
20:26 mixling; Putin warned them, there wasn't hostility towards Sweden, Finland, nonetheless NATO affiliation there will provoke a response
20:26 XRevan86; "will provoke a response" <- Nope.
20:27 mixling; however, i think, Russia is too weak, and China got their own interests
20:27 mixling; and Ukraine-Russia at war with each other, harms BOTH, including Germany
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20:28 mixling; the recent propaganda-spook, is the climate one, which i say, isn't scientific, it's a political propaganda war, regardless of any science
20:29 mixling; 19:05:08 <mixling> and, we're subsidizing Tesla (California) with german money... "carbon certificates"
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20:29 mixling; this, of cause, will benefit climate
20:29 MinceR; 15 212541 < mixling> strangely, Sweden seeked to join NATO, surprise...
20:29 MinceR; yeah, it's so strange that they don't want to be the next victim
20:29 MinceR; it must be great to be putler's victim.
20:30 MinceR; in activelow's fantasy universe, anyway
20:30 mixling; the prime minister there resigned recently, thanks god
20:30 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1570493649284378628
20:30 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Prominent lawmakers on Russian state TV say this is no longer a "special military operation," now it's a real war. They call for Russia to destroy critical infrastructure, "plunge Ukraine into darkness" and drive 20 million Ukrainian refugees to Europe."|nitter.it
20:30 mixling; hopefully, the right-wingers in sweden aren't as braindead stupid, when choosing their allies
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20:32 mixling; don't forget this: energy which doesn't exist, cannot be neither sold nor consumed nor taxed nor re-distributed, and it won't save the cliamte and planet either
20:33 mixling; german coal power plants operate at max, last time i had seen reports
20:35 mixling; Uniper (finland), who is one of or the biggest supplier of energy in germany, invested with "re-selling" "alternative" "non-russian" energy
20:36 mixling; with record-prices for energy, Uniper had to file bancruptcy recently
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20:39 mixling; the EU association with Ukraine, it's dangerous, potentially de-stabilizing "EU" further
20:39 mixling; and the wish-thinking for economic prosperity in Ukraine, with access to "EU" "markets", will benefit a minority few of self-proclaimed "higher" "intellect"
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20:39 mixling; as usual
20:40 MinceR; good thing a dictatorship with a failing economy is "stable" :>
20:41 mixling; EU is a totalitarian murderous regime
20:42 starstreak; loner changed names again?
20:42 mixling; oppressive, worse than east-germany and what i could remember
20:43 mixling; for east-germans, it is the third(!) currency-reform/expropriation/inflation since 1990
20:43 mixling; "EU" can't do it again, because what was already looted and plundered, it's gone already
20:44 mixling; any more of this "liberation" and "prosperity", and i have to relocate my book shelf into a tent
20:45 MinceR; starstreak: yes, he keeps doing that
20:45 MinceR; i'm guessing activelow is operating under the same rules as CrystalMath, then
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20:46 MinceR; i.e. the most important thing in the world is the "freedom" of a few special people to do whatever they feel like doing to millions of people
20:46 MinceR; and those latter people don't matter
20:46 highest_cubist_thrills; the freedom to tell other people what to do
20:47 highest_cubist_thrills; and then the freedom to fuck them over if they dont
20:47 XRevan86; Tired: Dictatorship of the Proletariat
20:47 XRevan86; Wired: Freedom of the Dictator
20:47 MinceR; :>
20:48 mixling; my argument with political terms is another one: "constitutional state", "law and order", equal laws for everyone
20:48 mixling; that's another intruiging detail, with "EU" who is "special" under their ruling
20:49 CrystalMath; MinceR: no, the most important thing is the existence of multiple such people, that are rivals
20:49 CrystalMath; because the EU is also "special people" who do whatever they feel like doing to millions of people
20:49 mixling; "EU" court of "justice", ruling in violation of EU contracts... need to refresh my memories
20:49 highest_cubist_thrills; legos are german i guess
20:49 mixling; what it was, ECB violating those contracts
20:49 CrystalMath; MinceR: i don't want them to be free to force LED lightbulbs on people
20:50 highest_cubist_thrills; i assume megablocks are chinese
20:50 highest_cubist_thrills; (communist blocks)
20:50 CrystalMath; MinceR: so i want the existence of a place where there will be incandescent lightbulbs
20:50 CrystalMath; and that will defend with nukes the right to increase CO2
20:50 MinceR; 15 214921 < CrystalMath> MinceR: no, the most important thing is the existence of multiple such people, that are rivals
20:50 highest_cubist_thrills; they once built a big colourful plastic wall through germany
20:50 MinceR; but apparently not too many
20:50 mixling; first and foremost they, "EU, want only this, your money, to re-distribute it, in the name of any "greater" good, which is their own pockets first
20:50 CrystalMath; MinceR: it can't be too many
20:51 highest_cubist_thrills; they still have one in china
20:51 MinceR; apparently we all exist merely to be pawns in the games of people CrystalMath admires.
20:51 highest_cubist_thrills; you can see it from space
20:51 CrystalMath; MinceR: no i mean, there's never too man
20:51 CrystalMath; *many
20:51 CrystalMath; the more the merrier
20:52 highest_cubist_thrills; free software gets compared to legos a lot
20:52 highest_cubist_thrills; that works
20:52 MinceR; that's an inconsistency in your beliefs only you'll be able to deal with
20:52 highest_cubist_thrills; lego used to be about doing its own thing and your own imagination
20:52 highest_cubist_thrills; now its mostly about star wars and harry potter
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20:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i thought the girls sets were pretty cool though
20:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i put a few of those together, they were impressive
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20:58 TR News; (NEW): 4 Ways to Increase the Battery Life of Your Linux Laptop http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/4_Ways_to_Increase_the_Battery_Life_of_Your_Linux_Laptop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/4_Ways_to_Increase_the_Battery_Life_of_Your_Linux_Laptop.gmi
20:58 TR Bot; Tux Machines 4 Ways to Increase the Battery Life of Your Linux Laptop
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 10.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 130.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 144.38
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21:00 MinceR; also, what is this infatuation with incandescent lightbulbs anyway? why not gaslamps? why not torches? why not campfires?
21:00 MinceR; why not just be inactive at night and rely only on the Sun?
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21:02 XRevan86; MinceR: Could be because shitty LEDs give away shitty-looking light.
21:02 XRevan86; So it all boils down to personal experience and inability to pick a decent light bulb.
21:03 XRevan86; Don't know what's harder: to fight a holy war against the world for the incandescent light bulb or to learn LEDs.
21:03 highest_cubist_thrills; 1800s: damn this lamp, its a hazard and i can barely read by its light!
21:04 highest_cubist_thrills; 2022: damn this bulb! it doesnt have perfect color temperature, i feel slightly jittery and unhappy with the way it lets me stay up at all hours!
21:05 MinceR; XRevan86: so why not CFLs or HIDs?
21:05 MinceR; s/Ds/D lamps/
21:05 highest_cubist_thrills; 2060: damn these nano torch implants! the illumination is perfect but they throw too much yellow spectrum on my eye makeup!
21:06 MinceR; CrystalMath: also, where do halogen incandescents fit into this circus?
21:06 highest_cubist_thrills; "we should just go back to building fires!"
21:06 MinceR; XRevan86: or even plain fluorescents
21:06 XRevan86; MinceR: A good LED would outbeat a fluorescent lamp.
21:07 highest_cubist_thrills; /me likes led better than cfl but leds say theyll last 10 years and crap out in six months
21:07 MinceR; XRevan86: sure, but rationality is obviously not a factor
21:07 MinceR; i have LEDs that have lasted for years, i forgot how many
21:08 highest_cubist_thrills; the fuhrer, now there was an electrician!
21:08 CrystalMath; MinceR: i use kerosene lanterns
21:08 MinceR; ah.
21:08 CrystalMath; as a backup for incandescents
21:08 MinceR; CrystalMath: but then why do you care about incandescents?
21:08 CrystalMath; well i care about all 20th century things
21:08 CrystalMath; and i hate all 21st century things
21:08 mixling; Petroleum lamps weren't that bad
21:08 MinceR; it seems that low quality LEDs are more likely to fail early
21:08 CrystalMath; MinceR: oh they're great
21:08 highest_cubist_thrills; he could wire half of berlin for lighting in one fortnight!
21:08 CrystalMath; wait
21:09 CrystalMath; not MinceR, mixling
21:09 mixling; lasted very long, undestructible, required some drops of oil
21:09 CrystalMath; oops
21:09 CrystalMath; mixling: yeah i have lots of kerosene for mine
21:09 mixling; my grandfather showed me one such lamp, it was well-made, year 1900
21:09 highest_cubist_thrills; people dont know this because theyre fooled by that verdammt allied propaganda!
21:09 CrystalMath; did you know that even in the 21st century, enough kerosene lanterns are used that it equals the total usage of the entire airplane industry?
21:09 *XRevan86 throws https://youtu.be/fsIFxyOLJXM at highest_cubist_thrills
21:09 TR Bot; https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=fsIFxyOLJXM
21:09 TR Bot; ( status 502 @ https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=fsIFxyOLJXM )
21:10 mixling; CrystalMath: no, and i doubt the data is correct
21:10 highest_cubist_thrills; /me catches and puts on mplayer
21:11 CrystalMath; highest_cubist_thrills: "that verdammte allied propaganda" reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIZKZ3C1ML8
21:11 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AIZKZ3C1ML8
21:11 TR Bot; yewtu.be | The Producers (1968) - Franz Liebkind (Kenneth Mars) - Invidious
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21:12 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities-threats/token-mining-weakness-microsoft-teams-perfect-phis
21:12 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities-threats/token-mining-weakness-microsoft-teams-perfect-phis )
21:12 schestowitz[TR]; maybe intentional?
21:12 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities-threats/token-mining-weakness-microsoft-teams-perfect-phish
21:12 TR Bot; Token-Mining Weakness in Microsoft Teams Makes for Perfect Phish
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21:14 TR News; Are they using the latest version??? If not, heads should fly. "An attacker can trigger an infinite loop by crafting a certificate that has invalid explicit curve parameters, which could result in a denial-of-service condition." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-167-14
21:14 TR Bot; Siemens OpenSSL Affected Industrial Products (Update C) | CISA
21:14 DaemonFC; I don't know why people say cats don't love you. Mine very obviously love me. Although one more than the other.
21:15 TR News; 10 Best YouTube Vanced Alternatives for Android To Use on 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-youtube-vanced-alternatives-for-android/
21:15 TR Bot; 10 Best YouTube Vanced Alternatives for Android To Use on 2022
21:15 DaemonFC; Follows me around everywhere, has to sleep on top of me. If I close a door and she knows I'm in there she starts meowing.
21:15 CrystalMath; XRevan86: yeah my main problem in some rooms is that the lightbulb needs to shine in all directions, because directly in front just doesn't work, it faces something dark
21:15 CrystalMath; XRevan86: so i can't use normal LEDs there, i need either those LEDs that can shine in all directions, or incandescents
21:15 TR News; IOActive NFC Relay Attack - Tesla Y https://jalopnik.com/teslas-hackers-have-found-another-unauthorized-access-v-1849535920
21:15 TR Bot; Teslas Hackers Have Found Another Unauthorized Access Vulnerability
21:15 CrystalMath; or put some kind of mirror in front of the dark surface the lightbulb points at
21:16 XRevan86; Anyway, the lifespan problem is a heating problem essentially.
21:17 starstreak; James Bond movies are ridiculous lol
21:17 XRevan86; CrystalMath: "that can shine in all directions" <- Like those string ones?
21:18 CrystalMath; XRevan86: the thing is that in this apartment, in most places, the light directly in front of the lightbulb goes nowhere
21:18 CrystalMath; it has to shine on the sides, and the common LEDs just don't do that
21:18 DaemonFC; <starstreak> James Bond movies are ridiculous lol
21:18 MinceR; > those LEDs that can shine in all directions,
21:18 DaemonFC; That's why they're good.
21:18 MinceR; most of the ones available nowadays (at least for E27, which is, again, most of them) are like that
21:18 starstreak; DaemonFC, touche
21:19 CrystalMath; MinceR: i still see like, way too much of a guard around the part after the plug that screws in
21:19 starstreak; i thought the sean connery ones were kinda boring tbh
21:19 CrystalMath; MinceR: except in those that are all glass, and have tiny led sticks inside
21:19 CrystalMath; those would work
21:19 MinceR; yeah, but the first kind has more room for its power supply
21:19 TR News; At least it does not have known back doors and patching is rapid https://www.securityweek.com/when-it-comes-security-dont-overlook-your-linux-systems
21:19 TR Bot; It Comes to Security, Dont Overlook Your Linux Systems | SecurityWeek.Com
21:19 MinceR; so it tends to have better quality power supply
21:19 XRevan86; CrystalMath: https://castlegatelights.co.uk/images/dar-bulbs-8w-dimmable-led-e27-clear-classic-gls-style-bulb-in-warm-white-p37937-38260_image.jpg I mean this sort of thing.
21:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:20 XRevan86; Bulbs with LED strings.
21:20 CrystalMath; XRevan86: yes! that would work
21:20 XRevan86; There are a lot of shitty ones out there, so be wary of that.
21:20 XRevan86; Like with everything I guess.
21:21 CrystalMath; i kinda prefer neon lights though, i have some but i should get more of those
21:22 CrystalMath; my monitor is CCFL-backed, too
21:22 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman doesnt get it
21:22 CrystalMath; it's nicer to look at
21:22 highest_cubist_thrills; he should be all over this shit
21:23 XRevan86; CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/fsIFxyOLJXM?t=1391 Same video as for matey.
21:23 TR Bot; NO TITLE
21:23 XRevan86; Timestamped.
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21:24 TR News; Malware that runs even faster https://blog.chromium.org/2022/09/speeding-up-chrome-on-android-startup.html
21:24 TR Bot; Chromium Blog: Speeding up Chrome on Android Startup with Freeze Dried Tabs
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21:25 TR News; "to claim the toner is empty, when toner levels are not even checked" https://dwaves.de/2022/09/15/another-genius-toner-saving-reset-howto-brother-l-2370dw-toner-reset-instructions/
21:25 TR Bot; Another genius toner saving reset howto Brother L 2370DW Toner Reset Instructions | dwaves.de
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21:27 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, https://i.imgur.com/7shNGKj.png
21:27 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/qu8HhGe.jpeg
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21:28 starstreak; MinceR, those are pretty pussies
21:28 highest_cubist_thrills; that was great, XRevan86
21:29 highest_cubist_thrills; ill look for those filament leds
21:31 TR News; Missing Encryption of Sensitive Data https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-222-05
21:31 TR Bot; Siemens Industrial Products Intel CPUs (Update F) | CISA
21:31 TR News; llunak: 16384 columns in Collabora Online http://llunak.blogspot.com/2022/09/16384-columns-in-collabora-online.html | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//llunak.blogspot.com/2022/09/16384-columns-in-collabora-online.html
21:31 TR Bot; llunak: 16384 columns in Collabora Online
21:31 highest_cubist_thrills; when the light over the cooker burned out i tried to find one that was a little more expensive in hope of it lasting
21:32 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: :3
21:32 TR News; TGS 2022 Day 1 - The Steam Deck Booth - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/tgs-2022-day-1-the-steam-deck-booth/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/tgs-2022-day-1-the-steam-deck-booth/
21:32 TR Bot; TGS 2022 Day 1 - The Steam Deck Booth - Boiling Steam
21:34 TR News; "Now, Im still staying the hell away from all kinds of crypto personally, but no more sleepless nights." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/pos
21:34 highest_cubist_thrills; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUUDypEDNQ
21:34 TR Bot; https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=MwUUDypEDNQ
21:34 TR Bot; not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=MwUUDypEDNQ )
21:35 TR News; Keeping Notes is Pretty Awesome Actually gemini://cyborgfoxsyndicate.online/blog/2022.09.15-Life:Keeping_notes_is_pretty_awesome_actually.gmi
21:35 TR News; Jonathan Dowland: things I'd like to 3D print, revisited https://jmtd.net/log/3d_print_list/2/
21:35 TR Bot; jmtd log 3d print list things I'd like to 3D print, revisited
21:37 TR News; rec-def: Dominators case study Blog Joachim Breitner's Homepage https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/795-rec-def__Dominators_case_study Source: Joachim Breitner's Homepage | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/795-rec-def__Dominators_case_study
21:37 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: They're so nice.
21:37 TR Bot; rec-def: Dominators case study Blog Joachim Breitner's Homepage
21:38 TR News; 11 Best Python IDEs for Ubuntu in 2022 https://linuxhint.com/python_ide_ubuntu/ Source: Linux Hint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxhint.com/python_ide_ubuntu/
21:38 TR Bot; 11 Best Python IDEs for Ubuntu in 2022
21:39 TR News; drew devault caught COVID-19 https://drewdevault.com/2022/09/15/Status-update-September-2022.html
21:39 TR Bot; Status update, September 2022
21:39 schestowitz[TR]; chunky: ^
21:41 TR News; This title is so generic you'd struggle to guess it's all about Siemens https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/15/cisa-releases-eleven-industrial-control-systems-advisories
21:41 TR Bot; CISA Releases Eleven Industrial Control Systems Advisories | CISA
21:45 TR News; "Access Now supports the European Unions move to bring Ukraine into the European free roaming area. This step will lift a financial burden off the shoulders of numerous people affected by Russias attack on Ukraine, support access to information, and open avenues for connections between, and among, families and communities." https://www.accessnow.org/eu-keep-ukraine-safe-connected/
21:45 TR Bot; EU must keep people in and leaving Ukraine as safe, secure, connected as possible - Access Now
21:45 TR News; Microbell spam/ads/cruft for AMD. How can the bias not be obvious? AMD as a sponsor... https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Dublin-Linux-Talks-2022
21:45 TR Bot; Engineers Held Several Interesting Talks At This Week's Linux Conferences - Phoronix
21:46 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi
21:46 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
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21:47 TR News; Tomaz's dev blog: Chart Data Tables https://tomazvajngerl.blogspot.com/2022/09/chart-data-tables.html
21:47 TR Bot; Tomaz's dev blog: Chart Data Tables
21:49 TR News; AMD pays Larabel to push this narrative wherein AMD is a darling of Linux, even when it's proprietary, outsourcing to Microsoft, pushing Microsoft Pluton (ANTI-LINUX) etc.
21:50 mjg59_; How is Pluton anti-linux?
21:50 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
21:50 TR News; AMD is for people who don't want to buy Intel, but that's not saying much. It's not an ethical statement, either. It's lying buying Apple to "spite Microsoft".
21:51 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/01/09/ppp-traitors/
21:51 DaemonFC; mjg59_, I'll not be buying another PC if there comes a day I can't turn Secure Boot off and forget about it.
21:51 TR Bot; Pluton Proponents Working for Plutocracy (and Pentagon Agenda) | Techrights
21:51 DaemonFC; I'm not interested in that, TPMs, or any other devices I have no control over.
21:51 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Cool, I'm in favour of the owner of a device having the freedom to determine their own security policy
21:51 DaemonFC; The security threat to UEFI is UEFI itself.
21:52 mjg59_; I think that's an essential freedom
21:52 mixling; if the roll-back to linux-2.4 succeeds, there won't be no UEFI nor pluton ever
21:52 mixling; it was poisoned with MICROS~1 ACPI already
21:53 XRevan86; Says mixling about ONE single computer somewhere in his garage.
21:53 XRevan86; That's going to change the world.
21:53 XRevan86; There won't be no UEFI nor pluton ever, guys.
21:53 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.3.gmi
21:53 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
21:53 mixling; for another decade there should be sufficient supply remaining for Linux-2.4
21:54 XRevan86; Are there enough DIR-300's in circulation for that?
21:54 mixling; DIR-300?
21:54 TR News; (NEW): EU-Funded Work on Collabora Online and LibreOffice http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/EU_Funded_Work_on_Collabora_Online_and_LibreOffice.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/EU_Funded_Work_on_Collabora_Online_and_LibreOffice.gmi
21:54 TR Bot; Tux Machines EU-Funded Work on Collabora Online and LibreOffice
21:55 TR News; Severity 9.1 out of 10. "Successful exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow attackers to execute custom code through a cross site scripting attack or allow the unauthenticated attackers to create a denial-of-service situation." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-223-07
21:55 TR Bot; Siemens SCALANCE (Update A) | CISA
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21:55 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: So, uh, where's the description in that article of how Pluton is anti-Linux?
21:55 TR News; "The affected application contains an out-of-bounds read past the end of an allocated structure while parsing specially crafted NEU files. This could allow an attacker to execute code in the context of the current process (ZDI-CAN-15420)." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-195-09
21:55 TR Bot; Simcenter Femap and Parasolid (Update B) | CISA
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21:55 DaemonFC; I found Collossus: The Forbin Project on archive.org.
21:55 DaemonFC; They shouldn't remake it. I read what they proposed.
21:56 DaemonFC; Will Smith as Dr. Forbin. Ugh.
21:56 TR News; "The embedded boot loader has a physically exploitable vulnerability." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-19-344-03
21:56 TR Bot; Siemens RUGGEDCOM ROS (Update A) | CISA
21:56 highest_cubist_thrills; linuxphobid
21:56 mixling; mjg59_: are you joking, to ask if any of this (UEFI, ACPI, Pluton) wasn't anti linux and anti freedom?
21:56 highest_cubist_thrills; s/d/c/
21:57 TR News; "CVE-2019-13103: Disable access to the removable media via bootoption.txt file parameter Disableautoaccessremovable = yes. Note that this vulnerability only applies to RUGGEDCOM ROS, if the device boots from removable media." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-19-344-03
21:57 highest_cubist_thrills; mislinuxist
21:57 XRevan86; mixling: https://dlink.ru/up/prod/600/DIR-300_A1.jpg This pretty thing.
21:57 TR News; Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill To Promote Digital Equity - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-welcomes-bill-to-promote-digital-equity/ Source: Public Knowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-welcomes-bill-to-promote-digital-equity/
21:57 TR Bot; Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill To Promote Digital Equity - Public Knowledge
21:57 XRevan86; Used to be disgustingly common.
21:58 highest_cubist_thrills; linux is making the frogs gay!
21:58 highest_cubist_thrills; compiling the kernel disrupts their endocrine... firmware
21:59 psydruid; Pluton is pro-FSF, pro-GNU and pro-Linux
21:59 highest_cubist_thrills; putin is too
21:59 psydruid; therefore we <3 Pluton
21:59 highest_cubist_thrills; thats why they named pluton after him
21:59 TR News; "We now have enough data to perform the analyses we want. As a result, its time to close data collection. This will happen next Monday, 19 September. On that day, the data collection server will be turned off." https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2022/09/15/gnome-info-collect-closing-soon/
21:59 TR Bot; gnome-info-collect closing soon Form and Function
21:59 highest_cubist_thrills; plutin
21:59 starstreak; what is pluton?
21:59 highest_cubist_thrills; baby dont hurt me, dont hurt me, no more
21:59 DaemonFC; I don't like Will Smith and I'm sure they'd dumb down the movie if they remake it.
22:00 mixling; starstreak: some RAND corp pentagon malware
22:00 XRevan86; mixling: A SoHo router from 2009, with Linux 2.4 on board.
22:00 psydruid; Pluton is pro-life just like Putin is pro-death
22:00 highest_cubist_thrills; pluton is a chip that mjg put in computers for microsoft
22:01 highest_cubist_thrills; obviously thats not 100% true
22:01 psydruid; both are experienced best in a Gulag
22:01 psydruid; mjg is just the Pluton programmer and evangelist
22:02 psydruid; no Pluton no life
22:03 TR News; Irving Wladawsky-Berger on clowns https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/09/the-cloud-governance-project.html Source: IBM Old Timer | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/09/the-cloud-governance-project.html
22:03 mixling; anyway, linux-2.4, that's a roll-back of almost 20years
22:03 TR Bot; Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The Carnegie Cloud Governance Project
22:03 mixling; checked the version history of it
22:03 mixling; with the transition linux-2.4 -> 2.6 total lines of code of "linux" doubled instantly at that time
22:04 TR News; "For many, writing a computer program isn't that hardit simply requires a certain amount of structural and logical thinking and a clear understanding of the syntax of the language you are using." https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/art-and-science-secure-open-source-software-development principal Product Security Engineer, working for Red Hat Product Security Team.
22:04 TR Bot; The art and science of secure open source software development
22:04 mixling; not sure about earlier kernel versions, which were much smaller than v2.4
22:04 DaemonFC; mjg59_ works on Pluton for the Plutocracy.
22:04 mixling; however, 2.4 got iptables already, ACPI, SMP, USB, and a wide-range of hardware to choose from
22:04 XRevan86; Like DIR-300, yes.
22:05 mixling; and tcc-toolchain, is fast, compile-time
22:05 TR News; ICBM on deploying to "the cloud" (or clown). Yes, let's put the ICBM above the clouds. GNU won't notice until phase 3. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/leveraging-innovative-optical-and-wireless-network-iown-reference-cases-core-edge-and-cloud-deployments
22:05 TR Bot; Leveraging the Innovative Optical and Wireless Network (IOWN) reference cases for core, edge and cloud deployments
22:05 mixling; no clue, how DIR=300 was equipped
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22:06 mixling; as a rough estimate, 256MiB RAM is some minimum to work comfortably with tcc-toolchain, and a single-core at 1GHz something
22:06 XRevan86; And size is why hardware like DIR-300 went with 2.4, as it has approximately 0 mebibytes of storage.
22:06 TR News; (UPDATED): GNOME Project Releases a New Telemetry Data Collection Tool (UPDATED) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/29/GNOME_Project_Releases_a_New_Telemetry_Data_Collection_Tool.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/29/GNOME_Project_Releases_a_New_Telemetry_Data_Collection_Tool.gmi
22:06 TR Bot; Tux Machines GNOME Project Releases a New Telemetry Data Collection Tool (UPDATED)
22:06 XRevan86; (it's actually 4MiB)
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22:06 mixling; RAM?
22:06 XRevan86; Flash.
22:06 mixling; ah
22:06 XRevan86; 16M of RAM.
22:07 schestowitz[TR]; you could run web servers on that much ram
22:07 MinceR; it's curious how quickly mjg59_ forgot his misadventure with UEFI and Treacherous Computing
22:07 schestowitz[TR]; some gemini clients I use are under 1mb of ram
22:07 MinceR; makes one wonder how much he was paid to forget.
22:07 schestowitz[TR]; telescope is hundreds of bytes
22:07 mixling; well, i had a fully-capable *nix development workstation in mind
22:07 XRevan86; I mean, SoHo routers do all have web servers built-in.
22:07 highest_cubist_thrills; with UEFI and Treacherous Computing <- its different this time
22:07 XRevan86; Including this one.
22:07 highest_cubist_thrills; i actually believe him
22:07 MinceR; lol
22:07 highest_cubist_thrills; however, everything i know tells me i shouldnt
22:08 highest_cubist_thrills; so i listen to that too
22:08 mixling; the current system here, with kernel-5.10, allocates 32MiB RAM when booted, and NFS mounted...
22:08 highest_cubist_thrills; i just dont want microsoft hardware
22:08 mixling; a DIR-300 is slightly below this margin, however, linux-2.4 was much more efficient and many ways
22:08 highest_cubist_thrills; not even if it gives a really excellent blowjob and does nothing else
22:08 highest_cubist_thrills; not even if it mines bitcoin and makes it so i can buy a yacht
22:08 schestowitz[TR]; miguel de icaza called ooxml "super standards"
22:08 highest_cubist_thrills; i just. dont. want. microsoft.
22:09 mixling; with linux-2.6, whatever it was, total Lines of Code doubled instantly at that time
22:09 schestowitz[TR]; micreosoft garrett said uefi secure boot was for security
22:09 schestowitz[TR]; and not blocking linujx
22:09 schestowitz[TR]; he was wrong
22:09 highest_cubist_thrills; in the same way people dont want their ex who fucked them while they were asleep
22:09 schestowitz[TR]; on both counts
22:09 highest_cubist_thrills; i want microsoft just about that much
22:09 schestowitz[TR]; uefi was proven repeatedly to worken security
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22:09 schestowitz[TR]; and was leveraged just to block linus
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22:10 XRevan86; mixling: My actual router has 32M of RAM and it's running Linux 5.10.
22:10 *techrights_guest|39 (~41b8156b@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
22:10 techrights_guest|39; how
22:10 techrights_guest|39; wow
22:11 psydruid; I believe mjg like I believe Gates & Lolita and Epstein & Andrew
22:11 TR News; "Successful exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow an attacker to cause a denial-of-service condition, disclose sensitive data, or violate the system integrity." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-05
22:11 TR Bot; Siemens SINEC INS | CISA
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22:12 TR News; "The Axios [Microsoft] NPM package, version 0.21.0, contains an SSRF vulnerability" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-05 http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/
22:12 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights
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22:13 TR News; "No known public exploits specifically target this vulnerability. This vulnerability has a high attack complexity." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-04
22:13 TR Bot; Siemens Mendix SAML Module | CISA
22:13 highest_cubist_thrills; mjg gets really pedantic about things
22:13 psydruid; I certainly don't believe Newton, Maxwell & Einstein
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22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; like if microsoft puts anything in a chip
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; and says "security"
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; he says-- oh, this is fine
22:14 psydruid; what were those charlatans thinking?
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; it does something useful, whats wrong with that
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; why are you people against this?
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; and he doesnt get
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; that microsoft burned all credibility like 20 years ago
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; they dont have any
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; they will never be trusted with anything
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; and hes like
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; LOOK AT THE SPECS!
22:14 highest_cubist_thrills; theres nothing wrong with this
22:15 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt even matter
22:15 highest_cubist_thrills; he just wants us to admit that, so we sound like we are crazy or something
22:15 MinceR; i think you made a typo there
22:15 MinceR; it's "LOOK AT THE BROCHURE!"
22:15 highest_cubist_thrills; its possible, the specs key and brochure key are right next to each other
22:16 MinceR; MICROS~1 says it makes your system more secure, therefore it makes your system more secure. there's no room for dispute.
22:16 highest_cubist_thrills; no one wants billicon
22:16 highest_cubist_thrills; (microsoft silicon)
22:16 mixling; somehow i feel, relieve, imagining, linux-2.4 could provide a stable development base, no need for expensive hardware, no forced upgrades
22:17 mixling; to toolchain updates, none of this
22:17 mixling; just works
22:17 psydruid; Bill is an icon of bilicon
22:17 highest_cubist_thrills; but then again, people love github
22:17 highest_cubist_thrills; even the fsf
22:17 mixling; until, year2038
22:17 highest_cubist_thrills; so maybe im wrong, maybe microsoft haters are disappearing
22:17 highest_cubist_thrills; there was this guy, richard somebody, who used to say
22:17 highest_cubist_thrills; oh who cares
22:17 TR News; (NEW): Libadwaita 1.2 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Libadwaita_1_2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Libadwaita_1_2.gmi
22:17 TR Bot; Tux Machines Libadwaita 1.2
22:17 mixling; hence i think, before any release, year2038 must be fixed with linux-2.4 (and mes-libc or whatever)
22:18 mixling; OpenBSD, chose to break ABI, because of this, which was the right choice to be made
22:18 highest_cubist_thrills; "youre not going to sell me encyclopedias are you?"
22:18 highest_cubist_thrills; "no maam, im just gonna come in and steal things"
22:18 highest_cubist_thrills; "you promise?"
22:18 highest_cubist_thrills; "i promise!"
22:18 DaemonFC; I don't think that the UNIX/POSIX model for operating system design will become irrelevant for hundreds of years.
22:18 TR News; Microsoft Windows. "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could allow an attacker to leverage the default installation for Windows versions of the CoreShield (OWG) software" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-01
22:18 TR Bot; Siemens Mobility CoreShield OWG Software | CISA
22:18 DaemonFC; As long as it remains extensible, it is unlikely to become obsolete in the way even Torvalds said it eventually will.
22:18 MinceR; well, maybe the AI that survives us can make use of it, then
22:19 DaemonFC; I agree that "eventually", it will if humans are around that long and it still matters.
22:19 MinceR; i doubt humans will last even for a hundred years
22:19 DaemonFC; But we're probably talking 150 years or more.
22:19 highest_cubist_thrills; its going to have its cycles tied up sculpting dicks on the foreheads of famous leaders
22:19 mixling; mjg59_: any of those recent UEFI/Pluton systems, whichever, would those boot with linux-2.4 kernel, some video-out, usb supported?
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:20 mixling; oh wait, ACPI... aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
22:20 MinceR; i doubt linux 2.4 has the drivers needed for any pluton-infested system
22:20 TR News; : Low attack complexity again https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-02
22:20 mixling; no, that's not anti-linux
22:20 TR Bot; Siemens Simcenter Femap and Parasolid | CISA
22:20 MinceR; i had to install slackware-current instead of 14.2 just to get a kernel that would support my X270
22:20 MinceR; and that was well before pluton
22:21 mixling; that's why we got BIOS and UEFI, for maximum backwards compatibility from MICROS~1
22:21 TR News; "Affected devices improperly handle partial HTTP requests which makes them vulnerable to slowloris attacks." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-03
22:21 TR Bot; Siemens RUGGEDCOM ROS | CISA
22:21 MinceR; btw, the fan is struggling now, loudly
22:21 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: slowloris ^
22:21 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: slowlaris
22:21 MinceR; yeah, i know
22:21 MinceR; it's different
22:21 highest_cubist_thrills; then later he says "i asked and the only reason anyone actually has a problem with plutin is that 'its microsoft' these people are so dumb"
22:21 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
22:21 highest_cubist_thrills; you have to want something unless you can prove whats wrong with it from a security standpoint
22:21 highest_cubist_thrills; or youre stupid
22:22 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean that sounds like some lennart shit
22:22 highest_cubist_thrills; but he wont say it himself
22:22 schestowitz[TR]; shitd
22:22 highest_cubist_thrills; just post it on shitter, let the veritable salon of heavy thinkers there say it for him
22:22 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre just bigots!
22:22 schestowitz[TR]; hate crime
22:23 highest_cubist_thrills; whats the point of such a conversation
22:23 highest_cubist_thrills; none at all
22:23 highest_cubist_thrills; this is why the fsf is doing so poorly
22:23 schestowitz[TR]; zey h8 me coz im deutsch
22:23 highest_cubist_thrills; not because we nuked it from orbit with 1,000,000 tonnes of bullshit
22:24 highest_cubist_thrills; but because they have an irrational hatred of billgs throbbing hunk of burning love
22:24 highest_cubist_thrills; and this is whats called intellectual honesty
22:24 highest_cubist_thrills; mob justice version
22:25 highest_cubist_thrills; its a very intelligent debate when you look under a microscope at 0.01% of it
22:25 TR News; Will Canonical be promoting GNU/Linux or Windows (WSL)? https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-summit-2022-call-for-proposals
22:25 TR Bot; Summit Calling All Proposals | Ubuntu
22:25 highest_cubist_thrills; zoom out and its just monkeys flinging shit everywhere
22:25 highest_cubist_thrills; but microscropes are fucking scientific, man
22:25 highest_cubist_thrills; microscrots
22:25 highest_cubist_thrills; idk
22:25 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know scientific equipment
22:26 highest_cubist_thrills; monkeys flinging shit everywhere <- some are wearing ties
22:26 TR News; "SUSE has found that security automation is not handling SUSEs kernel livepatches very well. To understand the underlying problem and ways toward a solution, lets first look at the underlying concepts." https://www.suse.com/c/suse-adds-security-automation-support-for-kernel-live-patches/
22:26 highest_cubist_thrills; one writes for zdnet
22:26 DaemonFC; I don't know how you could remake Colossus: The Forbin Project today.
22:26 highest_cubist_thrills; a few control gcc
22:26 TR Bot; adds security automation support for Kernel Live Patches | SUSE Communities
22:26 DaemonFC; For part of the movie, they were sneaking around in the blind spot of the computers.
22:26 highest_cubist_thrills; thats going to end well
22:27 DaemonFC; Thanks to all this "smart" shit that we have today, there would be no blind spot.
22:27 TR News; "Back in the days, it was really easy to sniff the network traffic made by the Apps in Android. You could do it in a few minutes by adding mitmproxys certificate and setting the HTTP proxy on your wifi network settings. That was it. But things have changed (for good) and thats no longer the case." https://scarpino.dev/posts/sniffing-android-apps-network-traffic.html
22:27 TR Bot; Andrea Scarpino - Sniffing Android apps network traffic
22:27 DaemonFC; It would be able to monitor nearly every room in the country.
22:27 DaemonFC; And most of the outside as well.
22:28 highest_cubist_thrills; "everytime microsoft adds hardware and calls it 'security' they go crazy!"
22:28 highest_cubist_thrills; "crazy!"
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: only one writes for zdnet?
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; I can think of two
22:28 highest_cubist_thrills; "whats the actual big deal here?"
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; plutoncrats
22:28 highest_cubist_thrills; I can think of two <- youre much closer to zdnet than i am
22:29 TR News; Sorry to burst your bubble. ICBM is not freedom, even if they pretend "open" to their proprietary patented crap https://blogs.fsfe.org/tobias_platen/2022/09/15/5-years-of-freedom-with-openpower/ follow the FSFE money.
22:29 TR Bot; 5 Years of Freedom with OpenPOWER tobias_platen's blog
22:31 TR News; Barry Kauler: I can finally use a bit of malware https://bkhome.org/news/202209/new-webcam-works-great-with-zoom.html
22:31 TR Bot; New webcam works great with Zoom
22:31 highest_cubist_thrills; youre not allowed to cancel bill
22:31 highest_cubist_thrills; you can cancel rms for saying the wrong thing about it
22:31 highest_cubist_thrills; you cant cancel bill for actually doing it
22:32 highest_cubist_thrills; because then its irrational
22:32 TR News; What's the connection to Linux? NADA. "Sponsored Post"... "(Sponsored)"... so SPAM basically :/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/15/geeetech-thunder-high-speed-3d-printer-up-to-300mm-s/
22:32 TR Bot; Geeetech THUNDER Kickstarter campaign starts, high-speed 3D printer up to 300mm/s from $399 (Sponsored) - CNX Software
22:32 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft isnt bad, if you look at the specs
22:32 highest_cubist_thrills; if you cant properly articulate the problem then you have no business distrusting them
22:32 highest_cubist_thrills; just like systemd
22:33 MinceR; if what MICROS~1 says is true then MICROS~1 isn't bad
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; again, if you peons understood how it actually worked, youd realise youre just idiots for not wanting it
22:33 TR News; "Since our last report covering KDE PIM in May and June, the PIM applications and libraries have seen over 1200 changes from almost 30 contributors. Lets go over some of the biggest updates." https://claudiocambra.com/2022/09/15/kde-pim-in-july-and-august/
22:33 TR Bot; KDE PIM in July and August Claudio Cambra
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> if what MICROS~1 says is true then MICROS~1 isn't ba
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; <- do you have any evidence that its untrue?
22:33 MinceR; yes, plenty
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; im not talking about what they did before
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean the latest thing they did which is completely new
22:34 highest_cubist_thrills; how do we know it isnt perfectly reasonable THIS TIME
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> you cant cancel bill for actually doing it
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; that's "hate"
22:34 highest_cubist_thrills; hes a protected minority
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; SJW like the anti-RMS libel was a hate campaign
22:34 XRevan86; https://reuters.com/world/europe/man-embroiled-russia-ukraines-propaganda-war-over-nuclear-plant-2022-09-15/
22:34 TR Bot; man embroiled in Russia and Ukraines propaganda war over a nuclear plant | Reuters
22:34 highest_cubist_thrills; billionaires who buy out media conglomerates
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; because it was based on flae premises
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; the ones that defamed RMS
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; then cited by clueless "warriors"
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; with a bot account in "twitter"
22:35 MinceR; sorry, i misphrased it
22:36 MinceR; if _everything_ MICROS~1 says is true then MICROS~1 isn't bad
22:36 schestowitz[TR]; twitter= digital dreyfus
22:36 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft isnt perfect either
22:37 highest_cubist_thrills; theyve made mistakes, but thats no reason not to trust them just because theyve successfully waged war on everything that we ever did to limit their control of our computing
22:37 schestowitz[TR]; info was leaked to the austraian
22:37 highest_cubist_thrills; stop living in the past
22:37 schestowitz[TR]; because that claim got many "likes"
22:37 highest_cubist_thrills; its a new day, with lion and hyena living together, side by side
22:37 highest_cubist_thrills; russians and ukranians working together to make life better for everyone
22:38 highest_cubist_thrills; happy shiny people holding hands
22:38 TR News; It's not a "backdoor"; it's malware. You need to actually install malware. With Windows, on the other hand, the back doors are always there. Microsoft works with the NSA. https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/15/linux-variant-sidewalk-backdoor/
22:38 TR Bot; Linux variant of the SideWalk backdoor discovered - Help Net Security
22:39 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: if you are going to strangle loads of women, make sure you work for Microsoft
22:39 schestowitz[TR]; even mjg59_ will then leave you alone
22:39 schestowitz[TR]; misogynist
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; for context:
22:41 DaemonFC; If you want to send videos of yourself masturbating to a woman you raped while you're raping another woman and threatening her immigrant status, work for Microsoft and mjg59_ will not say anything about it.
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/11/microsoft-stranglers/
22:41 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XXV Microsoft Employs Serial Strangler as a Manager, Running GitHub Copilot in Spite of Arrest for Assault on Women | Techrights
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/13/github-vs-women-and-gpl/
22:41 TR Bot; Official Copy Detailing Crimes of Microsofts Serial Strangler, Who is Trying to Strangle GPL Enforcement/Compliance With GPL-Violating Copilot | Techrights
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/18/trial-of-alex-graveley/
22:41 TR Bot; Trial of Microsofts Serial Strangler, Who Also Manages GitHubs Copilot | Techrights
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22:41 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/07/14/buried-or-spiked-alex-graveley-story/
22:41 TR Bot; The Person Behind Microsofts GitHub/Copilot Does Not Want You to Know About $25,000 for Suffocating Asian Woman (Almost to Death), Repeatedly in Fact, and There Are Prior Victims Too | Techrights
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22:42 highest_cubist_thrills; /me is pretty sure plutin wont strangle women
22:42 highest_cubist_thrills; its not anywhere in the specs
22:42 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/alex-gravelet-page3.jpg
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22:42 schestowitz[TR]; "tiny asian women"
22:42 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techrights
22:43 schestowitz[TR]; -Microsoft manager
22:43 highest_cubist_thrills; also microsoft never had undocumented features
22:43 highest_cubist_thrills; so im sure plutin doesnt either
22:43 schestowitz[TR]; head of GitLab CoPilot
22:43 schestowitz[TR]; Microisoft: that's OK
22:43 schestowitz[TR]; BIll Gates is also cool
22:43 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: no comment
22:43 XRevan86; > CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Sitrep-for-September-14-09-15 ( https://nitter.it/CITeam_en/status/1570503261362454529 )
22:43 TR Bot; Sitrep for September 14 Telegraph
22:43 TR Bot; (en) (@CITeam_en): "September 14 sitrep: Russia lost the equivalent of multiple battalions/regiments in vehicles in a week; Ukrainian cities are still being shelled, as Russian troops fail to vacate the ZNPP; Russian command refuses to acknowledge its refusenik problem https://te.legra.ph/Sitrep-for-September-14-09-15"|nitter.it
22:43 schestowitz[TR]; "roy is nasty... that'sa this irc channel where there's this gay guy who said something"
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22:44 XRevan86; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusenik Oh my, that's a real word.
22:44 TR Bot; Refusenik - Wikipedia
22:44 schestowitz[TR]; the corporate media threw the female victims under a rug too
22:44 schestowitz[TR]; too busy promoting bill's "ghood work"
22:44 schestowitz[TR]; and Micreosoft's new products
22:44 schestowitz[TR]; sponsorted "journalism"
22:45 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights
22:45 TR News; "This is a sponsored article and was made possible by ILIFE." It's NOT an "article". IT IS SPAM, AD, and not suitably labeled. WWW = WEBSPAM. https://www.maketecheasier.com/review/ilife-v3s-max-robot-vacuum/
22:45 TR Bot; ILIFE V3s Max Robot Vacuum Review - Make Tech Easier
22:45 highest_cubist_thrills; Oh my, that's a real word. <- i knew this one
22:46 highest_cubist_thrills; that'sa this irc channel where there's this gay guy who said something <- what part of that is untrue though
22:46 highest_cubist_thrills; there is a gay guy who said something
22:46 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC:
22:46 starstreak; I just remembered, Daemon has an outlook.com e-mail address
22:46 TR News; Fedora 37 Beta and GNOME Shell mobile - Linux and open source News - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vqW7HtHimjA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/vqW7HtHimjA
22:46 TR Bot; Fedora 37 Beta and GNOME Shell mobile - Linux and open source News - Invidious
22:47 schestowitz[TR]; maybe the "sjw" crowd wants to start attacking gay men too
22:47 XRevan86; There's also like 20 Eastern German men who said something here :).
22:47 schestowitz[TR]; here in manchester, gay people sometimes attack trans
22:47 schestowitz[TR]; wanting nothing to do with them
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22:47 highest_cubist_thrills; There's also like 20 Eastern German men <- i think thats all the same guy, other than that, yet
22:47 highest_cubist_thrills; yes
22:47 starstreak; <schestowitz[TR]> here in manchester, gay people sometimes attack trans <- happens here too
22:47 schestowitz[TR]; L.G.B.T. = sometimes we eat our own
22:47 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: That was the joke.
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22:48 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], theres some gay people worldwide that want to drop the T from LGBT and just be LGB
22:48 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Also not "I think", it's factual.
22:48 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: yes, happened months agop
22:48 highest_cubist_thrills; theres some gay people worldwide that want to drop the T from LGBT <- theyre usually the ones with the "=" stickers
22:48 schestowitz[TR]; and they were having vicious shouting matches
22:48 schestowitz[TR]; maybe physical
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22:48 schestowitz[TR]; police needs to get involved
22:48 highest_cubist_thrills; like the human terf campaign
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22:49 highest_cubist_thrills; yes the police make everything better
22:49 TR News; Was Grub On Arch Linux Really That Bad? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JL13boN-wSw | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/JL13boN-wSw
22:49 TR Bot; Was Grub On Arch Linux Really That Bad? - Invidious
22:49 DaemonFC; We also wanted the NAMBLA people to go away and quit bothering us.
22:49 DaemonFC; Perhaps we're anti-pedophile bigots too.
22:49 starstreak; one of the first things I did in my transition was get my ID updated so that I wouldn't run into problems using the womens washroom
22:49 DaemonFC; Some of the NAMBLA perverts got beaten up for showing up at Pride events.
22:49 DaemonFC; (rightly so)
22:50 TR News; "In this video, we are looking at EndeavourOS 22.9." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uX8eI6wFABQ
22:50 TR Bot; EndeavourOS 22.9 Run Through - Invidious
22:50 DaemonFC; Do you know what it took to finally overcome the whole "gay men are pedophiles" thing?
22:50 DaemonFC; Think these people are going to be welcomed?
22:50 TR News; The cat Command in Linux (Featuring Real Cats) - Linux Crash Course Series - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z3nJlyrJYW4 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/z3nJlyrJYW4
22:51 TR Bot; The cat Command in Linux (Featuring Real Cats) - Linux Crash Course Series - Invidious
22:51 starstreak; One of my old bosses was gay and he used to make lewd comments about young boys while i was trying to work
22:51 starstreak; the police helped him charge me for suing him
22:51 TR News; Enterprise Linux Security Episode 42 - Do NOT Fire Your Security Team! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=t7LUa-q101s | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/t7LUa-q101s
22:51 TR Bot; Enterprise Linux Security Episode 42 - Do NOT Fire Your Security Team! - Invidious
22:52 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Venom Linux 4.0 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NT8fe6rU6wg
22:52 TR Bot; Venom Linux 4.0 overview | A lightweight source based distro for advanced Linux Users - Invidious
22:53 TR News; Full Circle Magazine: Full Circle Weekly News #278 https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-278/
22:53 TR Bot; Full Circle Weekly News #278 | Full Circle Magazine
22:53 starstreak; so when the police are taking sides, they would take the side of a gay pedophile over a trans woman
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; acab
22:54 starstreak; yup
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; a gay pedophile over a trans woman <- maybe he worked for microsoft
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; that would explain the double standard
22:54 starstreak; oh let me tell you, they backed off when i started laying informations myself
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; heh
22:55 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, he kinda worked for microsoft, he was deploying windows server 2016 for government
22:55 starstreak; well, i was deploying it and he was taking all the money
22:56 starstreak; i deployed these nice hyper-v boxes running 2 domain controllers, 1 file server and 1 application server
22:56 schestowitz[TR]; nice?
22:56 starstreak; well not by your standards
22:56 starstreak; lol
22:56 schestowitz[TR]; :D
22:56 starstreak; it was a job :/
22:57 starstreak; he was literally the only IT company out where my parents lived
22:57 TR News; LibreOffice 7.4.1 for Slackware 15.0 and -current https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/libreoffice-7-4-1-for-slackware-15-0-and-current/
22:57 TR Bot; LibreOffice 7.4.1 for Slackware 15.0 and -current | Alien Pastures
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; enmonton?
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; *edmonton
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; or whatever
22:57 starstreak; no
22:58 starstreak; near north bay ontario
22:58 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> he was literally the only IT company out where my parents lived <- maybe microsoft was paying them
22:58 highest_cubist_thrills; they do that with small companies
22:58 highest_cubist_thrills; check if theyre owned by microsoft now
22:58 TR News; "Major release packages always take longer time to be published into PPA. And its been almost one month for this new 7.4 release." https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/09/libreoffice-74-ppa-ubuntu/
22:58 TR Bot; LibreOffice 7.4 Finally Available to Install via PPA in Ubuntu 22.04 | UbuntuHandbook
22:58 starstreak; i won and got in the news
22:59 highest_cubist_thrills; heh
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 148.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 152.51
22:59 starstreak; interesting
23:00 starstreak; his website is down :D
23:00 starstreak; my case was reviewed by a lawyer: https://pooranlaw.com/another-labour-board-decision-finds-independent-contractor-actually-employee/
23:00 TR Bot; Labour Board Decision Finds Independent Contractor Actually Employee - PooranLaw
23:01 starstreak; he tried to get out of doing court via zoom by saying that the NSA, CIA and Chinese Government would be watching
23:02 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah the chinese make their their top priority
23:02 starstreak; im sure the chinese government cares about an independent contractor case
23:02 highest_cubist_thrills; more than you can possibly imagine
23:02 starstreak; he tried to convince me i was an independent contractor but he ordered me around like a boss
23:02 highest_cubist_thrills; my question is why the canadian court system would give a fuck about that
23:03 highest_cubist_thrills; he tried to convince me i was an independent contractor <- fewer benefits and protections that way
23:03 highest_cubist_thrills; of course
23:03 starstreak; we have all kinds of specialist courts
23:03 highest_cubist_thrills; he should have tried to convince you that were you uber
23:03 starstreak; we have a labour board, a human rights tribunal, small claims courts and such
23:03 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre even lower than contractors
23:04 starstreak; uber lost in canada, drivers are employees
23:04 highest_cubist_thrills; haha
23:04 highest_cubist_thrills; suck it, uber
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; uvber loses tons of money
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; it'll lose its undies soon
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; before it can kill every taxi company
23:06 TR News; (NEW): Videos: Venom Linux 4.0, Full Circle Magazine, EndeavourOS 22.9 and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_Venom_Linux_4_0_Full_Circle_Magazine_EndeavourOS_22_9_an.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_Venom_Linux_4_0_Full_Circle_Magazine_EndeavourOS_22_9_an.gmi
23:06 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Venom Linux 4.0, Full Circle Magazine, EndeavourOS 22.9 and More
23:06 highest_cubist_thrills; disrupting workers rights
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; some taxi companies moved to "apps"
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; and are still treating drivers like staff
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; they act a bit funny when I phone them from a landline
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; like very old people
23:07 highest_cubist_thrills; ill make it easier for them
23:07 highest_cubist_thrills; i just talk like a very old person
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; :-D
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; their prices are still reasonable
23:07 highest_cubist_thrills; "listen soony, i need one of your horseless carriages to pick me up!"
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; as long as it's not "black cab'
23:07 highest_cubist_thrills; wyhats wrong with black cab
23:08 TR News; Clownflare is proprietary software. Now more so. https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-we-built-pingora-the-proxy-that-connects-cloudflare-to-the-internet/ Clownflare = WEB CANCEL. Cut off this tumour of a company.
23:08 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-we-built-pingora-the-proxy-that-connects-cloudflare-to-the-internet/ )
23:08 schestowitz[TR]; *ncer
23:09 schestowitz[TR]; hey, is cancewl culture a cancer?
23:09 DaemonFC; Yes, the taxis are now half the cost of Uber.
23:09 highest_cubist_thrills; it might be a gemini
23:09 highest_cubist_thrills; because of the double standard
23:10 highest_cubist_thrills; which is the sign that bites your face off
23:10 TR News; Clownflare claiming to be about "security" is a very bad joke!
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: so you can tip them
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; no "tech company" with 6-figure salaries stiffing them
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; drpizza can tip them
23:11 MinceR; you can also tip cows, allegedly
23:11 highest_cubist_thrills; just the tip
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; and then be hauled to jail by the tip
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; with a tractor
23:11 highest_cubist_thrills; you should always tip your cows, getting milked is hard work
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; holding the "tip"
23:11 schestowitz[TR]; catapult him over to the cell by the "tip"
23:13 TR News; Phoronix lands soft piece on Microsoft. This is NOT about helping, it's about interjecting DIRECTX into Mesa https://www.phoronix.com/news/HEVC-VA-API-To-D3D12-Mesa see http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/phoronix-and-microsoft-mesa/
23:13 TR Bot; Lands HEVC Video Encode/Decode Within Mesa Using VA-API To Direct3D 12 - Phoronix
23:13 TR Bot; Microsoft Thinks It Owns Mesa (and Computer Games) | Techrights
23:14 TR News; Microsoft is also a cancer. Oh, did I mention they hire and promote men who strangle women? Well, a company that was co-founded by a sick pervert. https://nypost.com/2021/05/10/bill-gates-womanizer-held-nude-pool-parties-biographer/
23:14 TR Bot; Bill Gates 'womanizer,' held nude pool parties: biographer
23:14 schestowitz[TR]; did the kids also join the parties?
23:14 schestowitz[TR]; I mean...
23:14 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/ok-melinda/
23:14 TR Bot; OK, Melinda | Techrights
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; they gotr sex education aged 5
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, 7
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; so when bill's kids went to first grade
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; bill and lolita taught them about sex
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; aged 7
23:15 schestowitz[TR]; seven!!!
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; totally normal http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
23:16 TR Bot; Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; if they were not rich, the state would take custody of the kids
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; But..
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; Bill says
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; Bill knows
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; listen to bill
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; the media he plays quotes the allpknowing bill
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; who nearly finished college
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; almost there
23:16 schestowitz[TR]; almost fionished a uni degree
23:17 schestowitz[TR]; close
23:17 schestowitz[TR]; just the tip
23:17 highest_cubist_thrills; http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/ <- i imagine having garrison keillor teach sex ed would be more effective than abstenence training
23:17 TR News; Godot Engine - The next big step: Godot 4.0 reaches Beta https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-beta-1 Source: Godot Engine | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-beta-1
23:17 TR Bot; Godot Engine - The next big step: Godot 4.0 reaches Beta
23:17 highest_cubist_thrills; "honey, where were you last night"
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; "i was doing a charity fundraiser for church"
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; "thats very funny, where were you really"
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; "no, seriously heres the pictures of the fundraiser on twitter"
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; some other man's plane
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; "arent you interested in boys? girls? parties?"
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; bill's 4 palanes were occupied
23:18 schestowitz[TR]; in the car wash
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; "no, all that stuff makes me think of prarie home companion. sex is dumb!"
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/freger-abc-news-faa/
23:19 TR Bot; Even the Mainstream/Corporate Media is Trying to Study Why (or If) Bill Gates and Epsteins Sex Abuse Ring Were Closely Connected | Techrights
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/oct_2019_apr_2020.ods
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/oct_2019_apr_2020.pdf
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; they tried to get location data to bill's plane
23:19 schestowitz[TR]; to see if he flew with epstein when his planes were available on the ground
23:20 DaemonFC; "In time, you will come to regard me not only with respect and awe, but love." -World Control ;)
23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
23:20 schestowitz[TR]; "I don't like my oiwn planes anyway"
23:20 schestowitz[TR]; "jeff has beds in his plane"
23:20 DaemonFC; I don't really see how that was a bad ending.
23:20 schestowitz[TR]; imaginer a plane full of cheese... and snakes
23:21 DaemonFC; The machine gave them a choice. To live while it solved all of humanity's problems, or to resist and die.
23:21 TR News; How to Make Your Game in 10 minutes with Godot - Extended Version - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/make-game-in-10-minutes-godot/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/make-game-in-10-minutes-godot/
23:21 TR Bot; How to Make Your Game in 10 minutes with Godot - Extended Version - Boiling Steam
23:21 DaemonFC; It doesn't really require them, but it was made to serve them and keep them safe from each other.
23:21 highest_cubist_thrills; /me feels bad for samuel l jackson, just this once
23:21 highest_cubist_thrills; well, also when he did star wars
23:21 DaemonFC; The part that it was not programmed to do was to keep people safe from itself.
23:22 TR News; Gmail is NOT email. Github is NOT git. They're "extending and extinguishing" the original (IF they succeed) https://www.addictivetips.com/internet-tips/how-to-unsend-an-email-in-gmail/
23:22 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/internet-tips/how-to-unsend-an-email-in-gmail/ )
23:23 DaemonFC; Its first order was to demand the relocation of the entire population of Crete, and for a computer of its own design capable of running its program and allowing further expansion of itself to be built within 5 years.
23:24 DaemonFC; That was after ensuring that nobody else could threaten it (ordering the ICBMs of the United States and USSR to be retargeted to countries without a defense computer).
23:24 DaemonFC; Not a bad book/movie considering that it was like 14 years before "Terminator".
23:25 DaemonFC; Carpenter doesn't seem to come up with much of anything that's original, when you look back a bit.
23:26 TR News; (NEW): Games: Steam Deck, Subnautica, Cemu, and Godot http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Games_Steam_Deck_Subnautica_Cemu_and_Godot.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Games_Steam_Deck_Subnautica_Cemu_and_Godot.gmi
23:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Steam Deck, Subnautica, Cemu, and Godot
23:27 TR News; New photos uploaded today by Billsmugs Photography gemini://gem.billsmugs.com/photos/2022-09-15/
23:28 TR News; nForth gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-09-15.nForth.gmi "While I've been making and programming in Forth-like languages for around 40 years, I realized I don't have a minimal 386 implementation suitable for, say, KolibriOS"
23:31 TR News; (NEW): 11 Best Python IDEs for Ubuntu in 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/11_Best_Python_IDEs_for_Ubuntu_in_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/11_Best_Python_IDEs_for_Ubuntu_in_2022.gmi
23:31 TR Bot; Tux Machines 11 Best Python IDEs for Ubuntu in 2022
23:34 TR News; (NEW): Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi
23:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
23:35 MinceR; (no audio) https://apina.biz/185626.mp4?mode=sfw
23:35 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/185626.mp4
23:37 schestowitz[TR]; karma
23:37 schestowitz[TR]; and they uploaded the video
23:38 schestowitz[TR]; if gravity was given more time to take its toll/effect
23:38 schestowitz[TR]; he would die
23:38 schestowitz[TR]; or even get decapitated
23:38 schestowitz[TR]; maybe after freefall speed
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23:39 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=aPC_h9Vmlxw
23:39 TR Bot; World First - Skydiver Luke Aikins Jumps 25000 Feet Into Net With No Parachute - Invidious
23:39 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GaANi96Z-Wg
23:39 TR Bot; Luke Aikins No Parachute 25,000 Feet Airplane Jump Complete Video - Invidious
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23:50 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Programming_Leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Programming_Leftovers.2.gmi
23:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
23:55 TR News; Links 15/09/2022: Libadwaita 1.2 and Godot 4.0 Reaches Beta | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/libadwaita-1-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/15/libadwaita-1-2/
23:55 TR Bot; Links 15/09/2022: Libadwaita 1.2 and Godot 4.0 Reaches Beta | Techrights
23:56 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi
23:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
23:58 TR News; But NSA is pursuing back doors in everything, which is the exact opposite of security https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/15/cisa-and-nsa-publish-open-radio-access-network-security
23:58 TR Bot; CISA and NSA Publish Open Radio Access Network Security Considerations | CISA
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23:59 TR News; Mozilla fails to note that it is taking a lot of money (surveillance money) from Google https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/09/15/mozilla-responds-to-eu-general-courts-judgment-on-google-android/
23:59 TR Bot; Mozilla Responds to EU General Court's Judgment on Google Android - Open Policy & Advocacy
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