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00:03 matey; no if anything it probably encouraged them
00:07 bnchs__; yeah it did encourage them
00:08 bnchs__; i mean even before the stream began, there was a 4chan thread about it
00:09 matey; any highlights?
00:09 matey; or just stuff thats easy to imagine/guess
00:10 bnchs__; " >CC BY-ND
00:10 bnchs__; What did he mean by this?
00:10 bnchs__; >USE GPL but OH NO you cant make derivative versions of my voice recordings fuck you"
00:11 matey; yeah
00:11 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-24-memes-73.jpg
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00:11 matey; well that is nearly the dumbest thing about the fsf
00:12 matey; though i have to say, not standing to up systemd and letting github take over the free software world
00:12 bnchs__; "I wasn't even being political and still randomly got banned, probably because my name had "fren" in it. Glad to see that IRC jannies haven't changed. "
00:12 matey; might put at third, even if its the reason i stopped giving them money
00:13 matey; lol "fren"?
00:13 bnchs__; "QUESTION: should Free Software be licensed as Public Domain instead of GPL so that Black People are not stigmatized with stealing it? "
00:13 bnchs__; this was in the chat history aswell
00:13 matey; classy
00:14 matey; i think ive heard that one before
00:14 bnchs__; yes, someone posted it in the 4chan thread
00:14 matey; do you get "fren" reference? its not one i know
00:14 bnchs__; before posting it in #fsf
00:15 bnchs__; matey: "fren" is like a corruption of "friend"
00:15 matey; sure but
00:15 matey; ..?
00:15 matey; its part of some terrible meme?
00:15 bnchs__; no
00:15 matey; okay
00:16 matey; lieberans are weird
00:16 matey; actually lieber still means free
00:16 matey; so lie-berans
00:16 matey; or life, my german is sheisse
00:16 MinceR; lieberman is an enemy of freedom, though
00:16 matey; mincer: very true
00:17 matey; him and his kill switch
00:17 bnchs__; "The minetest shilling was nice. Our kids should be playing open source autism simulators. "
00:18 matey; i dont know if i can get offended by 4chan talking shit about autism
00:18 matey; theyre basically making fun of themselves at that point
00:18 MinceR; and his clueless attacks on videogames
00:18 matey; he backpedals on this talk about videogames when someone actually asks him about videogames
00:19 bnchs__; " great job /g/ you fucked the irc with your nigger bullshit "
00:19 matey; like its something you talk shit about by default but when pressed, you have to be diplomatic
00:19 MinceR; :>
00:20 matey; too bad he cant shit about github instead!
00:20 matey; piss of github users? NO NO NO
00:20 matey; take a swipe at gamers? check
00:20 MinceR; MICROS~1 is probably one of his donors
00:20 matey; i kinda doubt it
00:20 bnchs__; "He used to be even more extreme. Now he's softened his opinions because he was threatened with getting his funding cut.
00:20 bnchs__; Also lurk moar. "
00:20 matey; but i feel so cynical, i cant doubt it strongly
00:21 matey; He used to be even more extreme. Now he's softened his opinions because he was threatened with getting his funding cut. <- right?
00:21 matey; thats not the only reason
00:21 matey; he was also attacked by a 3000-strong mob
00:21 matey; for weeks/months/years
00:21 bnchs__; "Stallman talks are peak autism, but they are really fun to attend to. If you have never been to one I recommend going, it attracts weird people. "
00:21 matey; but its cool, because now we can give them fucking awards
00:22 matey; it attracts weird people. <- it used to
00:23 bnchs__; "Goddamn, I respect RMS so much. Are there even any other passionate free software advocates like him? Even many Linux users are mocking him that he's too "strict". I can't even think of the vacuum that will be here after he dies. "
00:23 matey; its gonna be so many opportunists
00:23 matey; even if someone okay gets in in his place
00:24 matey; theyll be out in 6 months
00:24 matey; maybe THEY will accept an invitation to something that still stands for freedom
00:24 matey; because rms isnt going to
00:25 matey; maybe he will live to be 90 though
00:25 bnchs__; ">muh librebooted old ass thinkpads >muh apple walled garden this jew is basically reciting /g/ threads "
00:25 MinceR; why waste your attention on imageboards though
00:26 bnchs__; i went on /g/ only this day
00:26 matey; heres a chance for leah to run circles around libreboot and show the idea works
00:27 matey; lets see what happens
00:27 bnchs__; just to see if there was a thread
00:27 bnchs__; and trolls planning
00:27 matey; because libreboot isnt making new machines libre
00:27 matey; if osboot can free anything, thats a proof of concept
00:27 matey; i mean in the sense of moving something from free-ish to libreboot-free
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01:02 matey; i think its safe to say now
01:02 matey; nothing more is really going to come out of the fsf
01:03 matey; "if we had more people" yeah, well, the fsf wants fewer people
01:03 matey; no one outspoken
01:03 matey; we arent going to get honesty out of lieplanet
01:03 matey; we arent going to get strategy because you need (paying) members for that!
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01:05 matey; but we will get (copyleft) free culture licenses violated because not being able to remix a speech is more important than the wishes for an artist for you to respect freedom
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01:06 matey; so if you want libre planet to be libre, wait a few weeks and then do your own libreplanet
01:06 matey; and if you want the fsf to fight for your freedom, do your own thing because the fsf... whatever
01:07 matey; maybe if enough people do their own thing, eventually they will find a way to organise
01:07 matey; which is probably better than waiting another 7 years for the fsf to
01:08 matey; fortunately techrights isnt fsf or we would have to follow the safe coc too
01:13 matey; /me watches roys version for shits and giggle
01:14 matey; why is roy and everything around him white
01:15 matey; i mean allow
01:15 activelow; the rms talk isn't uploaded yet...
01:16 matey; it is
01:16 activelow; where?
01:16 matey; well, roys copy
01:16 matey; ill link
01:16 matey; http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-libreplanet-2022-and-irc/ http://techrights.org/videos/rms-libreplanet-2022.webm
01:16 TR Bot; Video of Richard Stallmans Belated LibrePlanet 2022 Talk (With Commentary) | Techrights
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01:16 matey; page and video
01:17 matey; ive already watched it but this one is loaded with swastikas and racial slurs :)
01:17 bnchs__; thanks 4chan
01:19 bnchs__; why is roy's webcam B&W
01:19 matey; probably so it works in gemini
01:19 matey; /me cant even guess
01:20 matey; roy is VERY VERY VERY allow
01:20 matey; at least the sound is good
01:20 bnchs__; lol the stream lag
01:20 bnchs__; in roy's video
01:20 activelow; didn't watch videos for month
01:23 MinceR; i don't think gemini cares about the details of a video stream
01:23 MinceR; it's just a resource that you might be able to download, though you probably don't want to use the gemini protocol for that
01:23 MinceR; iirc it can't even resume
01:25 matey; i don't think gemini cares about the details of a video stream <- nah i was just joking about oldschool vs b&w
01:26 matey; im actually a huge fan of gemini and id be happy if 90% of the web switched to it instead
01:26 matey; maybe ore
01:26 matey; more
01:29 bnchs__; i wish rms could talk again
01:30 bnchs__; it didn't even last 2 hours
01:30 bnchs__; just 1 hour and 30 mins
01:30 bnchs__; or something
01:30 matey; so the talk was an hour
01:30 matey; then q&a went on about as long
01:30 bnchs__; they probably had to pack fast, because the trolls were ramping
01:30 matey; but the video roy posted is preable / waiting for the video to start
01:31 matey; plus he stopped at a&a
01:31 matey; i dont really have a problem with this, ive seen the whole thing and im watching it a 3rd time because im very bored
01:32 matey; it was this or random youtube shit
01:32 matey; ive been busy this week so i dont feel bad
01:32 matey; mincer "come get cancelled with us" :)
01:32 bnchs__; also there were tons of references to chuck's feed and seed in #fsf
01:32 bnchs__; usernames and shit
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01:33 bnchs__; get it because sneed's feed and seed, formeraly chuck
01:33 bnchs__; chuck's fuck and suck
01:33 matey; thats an old joke
01:33 matey; i think pump up the volume had a guy named "charles u. farley"
01:34 matey; "chuck you farley"
01:36 matey; this is literally the first time ive seen rms live in any context
01:36 matey; while hes actually streaming
01:36 matey; and yes, i DID see the two seconds of video where it was actually video
01:37 matey; roy was rdosed by rsync
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02:35 activelow; https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html
02:35 activelow; --- "END OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS" ---
02:36 activelow; end then next, a clause, which is _not_ contained in the license itself: "General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs"
02:37 activelow; however, this restriction (to prevent linking non-free by whatever defintion) is _not_ mentioned within the GPL2 license terms itself.
02:37 matey; end then next, a clause <- thats not a clause, its an explanation
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02:38 activelow; it is an invalid claim against the license terms which does _not_ contain the limitation
02:38 matey; however, this restriction (to prevent linking non-free by whatever defintion) is _not_ mentioned within the GPL2 license terms itself. <- im quite certain it is covered within the license
02:38 activelow; it is an invalid claim against the license terms which do _not_ contain the limitation
02:38 matey; no
02:38 activelow; it is _not_ covered in the license _explicitely_
02:38 matey; if you like, ill try to find the language that refers to this restriction
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02:39 activelow; neither "linking" nor "does not permit incorporating into proprietary programs"; the GPL2 license simply does not contain this limitation, it doesn't
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02:41 activelow; if i modify any GPL2 licensed library, then without doubt GPL2 applies with copyleft etc,; yet when linking against GPL2 library (without modification to any such GPL2 library or it's header), the license terms are _undefined_
02:42 matey; 2. b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
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02:42 matey; linking is considered a derivative.
02:42 matey; if all you have to do for it NOT to be a derivative is shove it in a separate file, what good is that?
02:42 activelow; 2. b) contradicts "author's rights", which is the author decides upon the license terms of his _own_ work
02:43 matey; the author doesnt have a right to determin the license of OTHER works
02:43 activelow; and next, linking is an _insufficient_ criteria to decide wether any program is a derivative work or not
02:44 matey; if its not sufficient, then there is a giant loophole that makes the license pointless.
02:44 matey; as far as authors rights, the author has a right to choose gpl if they want to use the gpl work in their software.
02:44 matey; or create a derivative.
02:45 matey; they also have a right to not choose gpl, and not have access to the gpl work,
02:45 matey; but they dont have the right to relicense the gpl work (and thats also because authors rights includes the rights to choose gpl)
02:45 activelow; again, this misses the question if _linking_ suffices to define "derivative work", which it doesn't; linking is a necessary criteria, yet it is insufficient
02:46 matey; again, this misses the question if _linking_ suffices to define "derivative work", which it doesn't; linking is a necessary criteria, yet it is insufficient <- so if you choose a license...
02:46 activelow; linking against a library does _not_ relicense such library
02:46 matey; but it violates the license of that library
02:47 matey; which says what terms the library can be used under
02:47 activelow; no, a license does _not_ define what a derivative work is, in particular GPL2 which does not explicitey forbid linking proprietary, it simply doesn't
02:47 matey; a license does _not_ define what a derivative work is <- but linking is derivative regardless
02:47 matey; which does not explicitey forbid linking proprietary <- it forbids non-free derivatives
02:48 activelow; which opens a gigantic loophole, for both, undesirable linking, or undesirable sanctioning of it
02:49 activelow; and wrong again, it forbids non-free derivatives for a library itself, which is clearly stated within the license, yet it does not explicitely forbid linking into proprietary
02:49 activelow; and linking is not a sufficient criteria to define a derivative work
02:50 activelow; the loophole being, if the definition of a derivative work was strict, any GPL program couldn't be run on any IBM MS Wintel system (typically compilers/libc add proprietary stuff to achieve this)
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02:51 activelow; --- "END OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS" ---
02:52 activelow; and anything blow this line is not part of the GPL2, including statement such as "General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs"
02:52 activelow; if this is an explanation, then it could be contained _within_ the GPL2 license terms, yet it isn't.
02:53 activelow; *below
02:54 matey; the license states what youre able to do
02:54 matey; the explaination just makes it easier for people to understand
02:54 matey; the other thing that matters is what happens when these things go to court
02:54 matey; that cant be included in the license itself
02:54 matey; but it affects our understanding of how the license works
02:54 activelow; the cornerstone of proof seems to be, GPL2 programs being available for ms windows, which they can't be, without linking into proprietary stuff
02:55 matey; if the program is separate, its not derivative
02:55 matey; if its linked, its not separate
02:55 matey; using gpl software on windows is okay
02:55 matey; linking works in two directions
02:55 matey; a gpl program can link to the winapi
02:55 activelow; "General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs"; well, it does _not_ forbid it. doesn't it?
02:56 matey; the winapi cannot link to a gpl program
02:56 activelow; and this "explanation" isn't at least part of the license text itself, to repeat myself
02:56 matey; "General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs"; well, it does _not_ forbid it. doesn't it? <- same thing in lawyerese.
02:56 matey; does not permit = it is not permitted = it is forbidden
02:56 matey; remember the default is ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
02:57 matey; A R R + does not permit = it is not permitted
02:57 activelow; the license terms neither explictely forbid nor permit it
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02:58 MinceR; if the GPLv2 was written correctly, from its actual terms it already follows that it forbids incorporating the covered program into a proprietary program
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02:58 MinceR; that line is only supposed to explain this to non-jurists
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02:59 activelow; the "explanation" is irelevant, because it isn't contained within the license text added to source files
02:59 MinceR; indeed
02:59 activelow; and the license terms are only clarified upon of what's recognized as a "derivative work"; yet linking into non-free does not suffice as a criteria for a "derivative work"
02:59 MinceR; also, afaik they don't give a legal definition for what "proprietary" is anyway
03:00 MinceR; afaik linking is considered to produce a derivative work, bit IANAL
03:01 activelow; imagine this, if i wanted to publish (and only then copyleft enforcement is relevant, simply modifying some source text on my local pc does not enforce copyleft, even whem GPL2 implies differently)
03:01 activelow; yet, if i published, i couldn't at least be certain, copyleft remained intact if any of my lib was linked into proprietary, for both technical and legal reasons
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03:10 activelow; if linking is considered sufficient to define a "derivative work" of any gpl2 piece, then this contradicts the fact gpl2 programs are available for ms windows; you can't have both.
03:11 activelow; in this case, such a gpl2 program at least requires some proprietary libc linked against, which then "incorporated" gpl2 into proprietary software
03:12 DaemonFC; Mom's always surprised she has all these horrendous car repair bills.
03:13 DaemonFC; I tell her "Watch your transmission fluid and don't ever let it turn brown.".
03:13 DaemonFC; I get her car, it's brown, it's leaking, I have to service it right away.
03:13 DaemonFC; :P
03:13 DaemonFC; Things like that.
03:13 DaemonFC; I decided I couldn't afford another "free" car from mom.
03:14 activelow; and if it isn't libc, there is dozens of other headers included, almost certain
03:14 activelow; is linking against libc a derivative work, or isn't it? who is a derivative of whom then?
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03:19 activelow; long story short, linking is a necessary criteria, yet it is _insufficient_; and lgpl2 doesn't address this issue either, to explicitely _forbid_ (not permit) linking with a clear definition this sufficiently defined a derivative work
03:22 activelow; if this "explanation" was contained within the license therms, i would feel comfortable with regards to clarity of license terms: "General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs"
03:22 activelow; nonetheless, the gpl2 does _not_ contain it
03:22 mjg59_; activelow: That's what the system library exception is for
03:22 mjg59_; It lets you distribute GPLed code for proprietary operating systems
03:23 mjg59_; "However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary form) wiith the major components (compiler, kernel and so on) of the operating system"
03:24 mjg59_; So there's no conflict in the FSF's assertion about derivation here
03:24 activelow; the uncertainty of GPL2 (3?) cannot be removed, as soon as any such piece of GPL software is touched, which is the critical aspect of GPL
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03:25 activelow; i do _not_ want any program of mine being available to MS/IBM Wintel
03:26 activelow; the only options FSF offers then is: touch none of GPL/LGPL
03:27 mjg59_; When you say that, do you object to the platform on principle or do you object because they're non-free?
03:28 activelow; technical qualities of the platform, legal issues, and US politics
03:28 mjg59_; Ok, that sounds like a violation of freedom 0
03:29 activelow; the presence of GPL inside MS/IBM Wintel realm itself is a violation of the license ("incorporation")
03:30 mjg59_; No it isn't
03:32 activelow; the advertising clause of BSD was neat, since BSD license must be "advertised", yet advertising requires the permission of the author; and this at least is compatible with "author's rights"
03:33 mjg59_; You're getting very close to a Joerg Schilling interpretation of the GPL, and that did not end well
03:48 activelow; i think, the GPL2 (3?) copyleft are _weaker_ than i expected
03:49 activelow; GPL2 copyleft in the hands of some free developer are practically ineffective often, given the fact how often documentation of sources are missing, to support some hardware etc.
03:50 activelow; and since corporations control alot of what's GPL, it is those corporations who can enforce
03:51 activelow; "communities"
03:52 mjg59_; Anyone who contributes to a GPLed project is in a position to enforce, as long as there's no CLA required
03:53 activelow; ^ enforce GPL on ones _own_ contribution derivatives, i cannot sue IBM to release BIOS source codes, verilog for x86 (not that i wanted any of this crap on my desk)
03:54 mjg59_; No, because they're not derivatives of any GPLed code
03:54 activelow; sure
03:56 mjg59_; GPL was never intended to make proprietary software disappear, and it's not in a position to
03:56 mjg59_; It was intended to ensure that everyone who received a GPLed work had the right to modify it as needed
03:56 mjg59_; And to share those modifications as needed
03:57 activelow; which is moot, at a lower level realm of computing
03:57 activelow; controlled by, corporations, pentagon, USA, whoever
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04:00 activelow; that's why, the misnomer of "free software" is perpetuated, intentionally or not, since it is a comfortable arrangement, to imply this is where GPL2 ended, no copyleft enforcement anymore down there
04:01 activelow; instead, the _USA_ 1984 semiconductor protection act, as one example
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05:09 TR News; The 8 Best Free Flatpak Games Available on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163700
05:09 TR News; 5 Reasons Why Fedora Feels Like the New Ubuntu Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163701
05:09 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163702
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05:13 TR News; "I got a bunch of replies with tools I hadnt heard of, so I thought Id make a list here. A lot of people also pointed at the modern-unix list." https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/04/12/a-list-of-new-ish--command-line-tools/ | Source: Julia Evans
05:13 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: jvns.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/04/12/a-list-of-new-ish--command-line-tools/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/04/12/a-list-of-new-ish--command-line-tools/
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05:13 TR Bot; A list of new(ish) command line tools
05:14 TR News; "But I didnt automate that to save time, I automated it to save focus. I need to think to write out my whole address." https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/you-can-automate-more-than-you-think/ | Source: Buttondown
05:14 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: buttondown.email | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/you-can-automate-more-than-you-think/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/you-can-automate-more-than-you-think/
05:14 TR Bot; You can automate more than you think Buttondown
05:14 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/enterprise/emotion-ai-sales-virtual-zoom
05:14 TR Bot; software from Uniphore, Sybill and Zoom detects customer emotions - Protocol
05:14 TR News; "In the mid-2000s, an upstart Linux distribution became both the most exciting and the most popular version around: Ubuntu." https://www.makeuseof.com/reasons-fedora-is-new-ubuntu/ | Source: Make Use Of
05:14 TR Bot; 5 Reasons Why Fedora Feels Like the New Ubuntu
05:16 TR News; MX Linus https://www.makeuseof.com/mx-linux-version-211-wildflower-released/ | Source: Make Use Of
05:16 TR Bot; MX Linux Casually Drops Version 21.1, Codenamed "Wildflower"
05:17 TR News; "Much of this is obvious; the bit that may not be is that 'focal' is the code name for Ubuntu 20.04." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/AptSourcesManglingEffects | Source: uni Toronto
05:17 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: utoronto.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/AptSourcesManglingEffects https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/AptSourcesManglingEffects
05:17 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/AptSourcesManglingEffects
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05:18 TR News; "I reluctantly connected an ESP32 to a breadboard and wired the SPI flash IC to the ESP's hardware SPI peripheral." https://tbspace.de/esp32biosrecovery.html | Source: Tobias Mdel
05:18 TR Bot; tbspace - In a pinch: Flashing a PC BIOS with an ESP32
05:18 TR News; "Were going to make a USB keyboard you can use to enter text quickly and unobtrusively, even in the dark." https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/make-a-chord-keyboard-with-raspberry-pi-pico-and-circuitpython/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
05:18 TR Bot; Make a chord keyboard with Raspberry Pi Pico and CircuitPython - Raspberry Pi
05:22 AdmFubar; https://www.salon.com/2022/04/10/dont-fall-for-this-information-gathering-easter-chocolate-scam/
05:22 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: salon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2022/04/10/dont-fall-for-this-information-gathering-easter-chocolate-scam/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.salon.com/2022/04/10/dont-fall-for-this-information-gathering-easter-chocolate-scam/
05:22 TR Bot; fall for this information-gathering Easter chocolate scam | Salon.com
05:24 TR News; "Ive learned so much from watching other people code." https://earthly.dev/blog/golang-streamers/ | Source: Earthly
05:24 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: earthly.dev | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://earthly.dev/blog/golang-streamers/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://earthly.dev/blog/golang-streamers/
05:24 TR Bot; Watch People Doing the Thing - Earthly Blog
05:24 TR News; "Over a year ago, I left the role of software engineering* behind to become a site reliability engineer* at Honeycomb" https://ferd.ca/errors-are-constructed-not-discovered.html | Source: Fred Herbert
05:24 TR Bot; Errors are constructed, not discovered
05:25 TR News; "Given a binary tree, a target node and a positive integer K on it, the task is to find the sum of all nodes within distance K from the target node" https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/sum-of-nodes-within-k-distance-from-target/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks
05:25 TR Bot; Sum of nodes within K distance from target - GeeksforGeeks
05:25 AdmFubar; wounldnt it be better if they fixed the broken and back-doored code??? https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-announces-new-victory-against-organized-botnet-crime
05:25 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: windowscentral.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-announces-new-victory-against-organized-botnet-crime https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-announces-new-victory-against-organized-botnet-crime
05:25 TR Bot; Microsoft announces a new victory against organized botnet crime | Windows Central
05:26 TR News; It's been long gone, like fifteen years long gone. Why are you still asking? gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/04/13.1
05:26 TR News; Just an observation, nothing more gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/04/13.2
05:28 TR News; "American politics are a complete farce. And unfortunately we are a superpower so this is everyone on the globes problem" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
05:29 TR News; Bike vs Bus 1-0 gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-13-bike-vs-bus-1-0.gmi
05:29 schestowitz; (Cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D559.jpg
05:29 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D202.jpg
05:30 TR News; "both have various issues, one being that many file formats are known by multiple names. MIME is also often overly lengthy, and also names things strangly. for example, the default type for the whole system is "application/octet-stream"." gemini://binarycat.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-04-13_better-filetypes.gmi
05:30 TR News; "deep learning algorithm can remove city noise from earthquake monitoring tools, potentially making it easier to pinpoint when and where a tremor occurs." https://www.newscientist.com/article/2315982-ai-strips-out-city-noise-to-improve-earthquake-monitoring-systems/ | Source: New Scientist
05:30 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: newscientist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.newscientist.com/article/2315982-ai-strips-out-city-noise-to-improve-earthquake-monitoring-systems/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.newscientist.com/article/2315982-ai-strips-out-city-noise-to-improve-earthquake-monitoring-systems/
05:30 TR Bot; Earthquake sensors may be helped by AI that strips out city noise | New Scientist
05:31 TR News; "Japans space debris removal company" https://asiatimes.com/2022/04/japan-cosmic-cleanup-firm-is-part-of-space-arms-race/ | Source: Asia Times
05:31 TR Bot; Japan cosmic cleanup firm is part of space arms race - Asia Times
05:32 TR News; "Lets look at an updated example. You and your team have two weeks to complete a relatively simple bug fix. Realistically, it should only take a few hours" https://www.atlassian.com/blog/productivity/what-is-parkinsons-law | Source: Atlassian
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05:32 TR Bot; How to overcome Parkinson's Law
05:32 TR News; "How to Use Parkinsons Law to Get More Done in Less" https://www.lifehack.org/articles/featured/how-to-use-parkinsons-law-to-your-advantage.html
05:32 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: lifehack.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lifehack.org/articles/featured/how-to-use-parkinsons-law-to-your-advantage.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.lifehack.org/articles/featured/how-to-use-parkinsons-law-to-your-advantage.html
05:32 TR Bot; How to Use Parkinson's Law to Get More Done in Less Time - Lifehack
05:33 TR News; "At their best, small non-elite colleges can spur innovative ideas and foster great minds" https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/pressure-pass-mediocre-students-forced-me-out-academia | Source: Times Higher Education
05:33 TR Bot; When I had to pass mediocre students, I quit | Times Higher Education (THE)
05:35 TR News; "This attempted attack involved a wide variety of malware, according to ESET, including the recently discovered CaddyWiper." https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023854/ukraine-russian-cyber-attack-power-company-substation | Source: The Verge
05:35 TR Bot; Ukraine says it stopped a Russian cyberattack on its power grid - The Verge
05:35 TR News; Windows TCO https://therecord.media/researchers-find-new-malware-variant-after-stopping-attack-on-ukrainian-energy-provider/ | Source: The Record
05:35 TR News; Windows TCO https://therecord.media/researchers-find-new-malware-variant-after-stopping-attack-on-ukrainian-energy-provider/ | Source: The Record
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05:35 TR Bot; Researchers find new malware variant after stopping attack on Ukrainian energy provider - The Record by Recorded Future
05:37 TR News; Windows TCO https://therecord.media/researchers-find-new-malware-variant-after-stopping-attack-on-ukrainian-energy-provider/ | Source: The Record
05:37 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: therecord.media | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://therecord.media/researchers-find-new-malware-variant-after-stopping-attack-on-ukrainian-energy-provider/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://therecord.media/researchers-find-new-malware-variant-after-stopping-attack-on-ukrainian-energy-provider/
05:37 TR News; "For some customers, JIRA and some other Atlassian products have been down for an entire week." https://matt-rickard.com/why-so-many-outages/ | Source: Matt Rickard
05:37 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: matt-rickard.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/why-so-many-outages/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://matt-rickard.com/why-so-many-outages/
05:37 TR Bot; Why So Many Outages?
05:37 TR News; "(Significantly, Sony previously came up with $250 million for a 2020 round from Epic Games, which was then valued at a comparatively modest $17.3 billion.)" https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/11/epic-games-sony-group-investment/ | Source: Digital Music News
05:37 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: digitalmusicnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/11/epic-games-sony-group-investment/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/11/epic-games-sony-group-investment/
05:37 TR Bot; Epic Games Draws $1 Billion Investment From Sony Music Parent
05:37 TR News; "Surprisingly, there is very little history available online about the DOS versions of LapLink, and Im not sure when its parallel cable was actually introduced." https://www.cambus.net/file-transfers-via-the-parallel-port-on-dos-using-laplink/ | Source: Frederic Cambus
05:37 TR Bot; File transfers via the parallel port on DOS using LapLink | Frederic Cambus
05:39 TR News; "holy grail" https://www.theverge.com/23022611/meta-facebook-nazare-ar-glasses-roadmap-2024 | Source: The Verge
05:39 TR Bot; Behind Mark Zuckerberg big plans for AR glasses - The Verge
05:40 TR News; [Old] "As a concept for integrating cyberwarfare systems, the US Cyber Command created the Joint Cyber Operations Architecture (JCWA) " https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/03/24/the-development-of-warfare-cyberspace-in-the-united-states/ | Source: Modern Diplomacy
05:40 TR Bot; The development of warfare cyberspace in the United States - Modern Diplomacy
05:40 TR News; [Old] "In August 2021 the US Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) awarded to the cybersecurity firm" https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/03/29/the-development-of-warfare-cyberspace-in-the-united-states-part-2/ | Source: Modern Diplomacy
05:40 TR Bot; The development of warfare cyberspace in the United States, part 2 - Modern Diplomacy
05:41 TR News; "The US Army Ground Vehicle Systems Center, in collaboration with Texas-based Southwest Research Institute (SwRI), has developed a new Intrusion Detection System (IDS)" https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/04/06/the-development-of-warfare-cyberspace-in-the-united-states-part-3/ | Source: Modern Diplomacy
05:41 TR Bot; The development of warfare cyberspace in the United States, part 3 - Modern Diplomacy
05:41 TR News; "NATO is developing new cloud technologies to establish technical standards in the field and ensure interoperability among Member States." https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/04/13/the-development-of-warfare-cyberspace-in-the-united-states-part-4/ | Source: Modern Diplomacy
05:41 TR Bot; The development of warfare cyberspace in the United States, part 4 - Modern Diplomacy
05:43 TR News; "there dont seem to be much objective data available that would either support or invalidate these reports besides a BGP-level view of prefixes" https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28546 | Source: SANS
05:43 TR Bot; InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
05:43 TR News; "In recent weeks, American officials have warned that Russia could try to expand its cyberwarfare perhaps even by disrupting American pipelines and electric grids" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/us/politics/ukraine-russian-cyberattack.html | Source: New York Times
05:43 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/us/politics/ukraine-russian-cyberattack.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/us/politics/ukraine-russian-cyberattack.html
05:43 TR Bot; Ukraine Says It Thwarted a Sophisticated Russian Cyberattack on Its Power Grid - The New York Times
05:45 TR News; "Following efforts by the US and others to address cryptocurrency standards" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3656729/following-us-moves-uk-looks-to-regulate-crypto-create-government-token.html | Source: Computer World
05:45 TR Bot; US moves, UK looks to regulate crypto, create government token | Computerworld
05:45 TR News; "Tesla solar panels and Megapack batteries are being deployed in Texas in order to mine bitcoin with 100 per cent renewable energy." https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/tesla-bitcoin-mining-solar-power-b2055453.html | Source: The Independent UK
05:45 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: independent.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/tesla-bitcoin-mining-solar-power-b2055453.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/tesla-bitcoin-mining-solar-power-b2055453.html
05:45 TR Bot; Tesla to power bitcoin mine with solar energy | The Independent
05:50 TR News; "His dream home was not owned by a person but by a tech company." https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/13/1049227/house-flipping-algorithms-are-coming-to-your-neighborhood/ | Source: MIT Technology Review
05:50 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: technologyreview.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/13/1049227/house-flipping-algorithms-are-coming-to-your-neighborhood/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/13/1049227/house-flipping-algorithms-are-coming-to-your-neighborhood/
05:50 TR Bot; House-flipping algorithms are coming to your neighborhood despite the losses | MIT Technology Review
05:50 TR News; Microsoft https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023776/activision-blizzard-sexual-harassment-gavin-newsom | Source: The Verge
05:50 TR Bot; California governor has been interfering in Activision Blizzard lawsuit - The Verge
05:55 TR News; "We worked with our community to submit comments in this proceeding. Well describe the high notes here." https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/04/routing-security-goes-to-washington/ | Source: Internet Society
05:55 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: internetsociety.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/04/routing-security-goes-to-washington/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/04/routing-security-goes-to-washington/
05:55 TR Bot; Routing Security Goes to Washington - Internet Society
05:58 TR News; News Guard are Microsoft boosters and censorship company https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/04/13/how-tiktok-is-being-used-as-propaganda-machinery-during-war-time/ | Source: Modern Diplomacy
05:58 TR Bot; How TikTok is being used as propaganda machinery during war time - Modern Diplomacy
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 91.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 332.48
05:59 TR News; "Former Brown University professor and current president of Heterodox Academy John Tomasi is hoping to see that direction change." https://kjzz.org/content/1771899/former-professor-says-too-many-college-students-are-self-censoring |
05:59 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: kjzz.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://kjzz.org/content/1771899/former-professor-says-too-many-college-students-are-self-censoring https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://kjzz.org/content/1771899/former-professor-says-too-many-college-students-are-self-censoring
05:59 TR Bot; Former professor says too many college students are self-censoring | KJZZ
05:59 TR News; "EU co-legislators agreed in principle on a ban on adverts targeting minors and utilising sensitive data, in the DSA." https://www.euractiv.com/section/digital/news/digital-brief-dsa-fourth-trilogue-dma-diverging-views-frances-fine-for-google/ | Source: Euractive
05:59 TR Bot; Brief: DSA fourth trilogue, DMA diverging views, Frances fine for Google EURACTIV.com
05:59 TR News; "Reforming Section 230 wont help with content moderation on online platforms, observers said Monday" https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/04/reforming-section-230-wont-help-with-content-moderation-panel-hears/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
05:59 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: broadbandbreakfast.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/04/reforming-section-230-wont-help-with-content-moderation-panel-hears/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/04/reforming-section-230-wont-help-with-content-moderation-panel-hears/
05:59 TR Bot; Reforming Section 230 Won't Help With Content Moderation, Event Hears : Broadband Breakfast
06:06 TR News; "because he will get copyright infringement" https://www.sunherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article260245605.html |
06:06 TR News; "Lewis was one of more than 50 gig workers killed while driving for companies like Lyft, Uber and DoorDash since 2017, according to a new report" https://text.npr.org/1091068852 | Source: NPR
06:06 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1091068852 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://text.npr.org/1091068852
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06:09 TR News; LOL. 1%. "The survey of more than 10 million Microsoft devices by Lansweepers PC management software showed 1.44% now run Windows 11, an increase from the 0.52%" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3657628/more-than-half-of-pcs-cant-upgrade-to-windows-11-report.html | Source: Computer World
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06:09 TR News; "The Offeror will announce the preliminary percentage of the Shares validly tendered during the Subsequent Offer Period on or about April 29, 2022" https://www.nextgames.com/articles/final-result-of-netflix-inc-s-voluntary-recommended-public-tender-offer-for-all-outstanding-shares-and-stock-options-in-next-games-corporation-netflix-inc-completes-the-tender-offer-and-commences-a-subsequent-offer-period |
06:09 TR Bot; Next Games | Final Result of Netflix, Inc.s Voluntary Recommended
06:09 TR News; "Netflix is set to acquire Finnish gaming company Next Games." https://yle.fi/news/3-12403408 | Source: YLE
06:09 TR Bot; Netflix to take over Finnish gaming company | News | Yle Uutiset
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06:11 TR News; "The Commission has information that Microsoft may be using its potentially dominant position in certain software markets" https://www.reuters.com/business/microsofts-cloud-business-targeted-by-eu-antitrust-regulators-2022-04-01/ | Source: Reuters
06:11 TR Bot; cloud business targeted by EU antitrust regulators | Reuters
06:11 TR News; "Crook was talking about the Open Markets Act, which would forbid app stores with more than 50 million domestic users from requiring app developers from using in-app payment options" https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/04/apple-ceo-against-app-legislation-russian-cyberattack-thwarted-european-telecoms-exit-russia/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
06:11 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: broadbandbreakfast.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/04/apple-ceo-against-app-legislation-russian-cyberattack-thwarted-european-telecoms-exit-russia/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/04/apple-ceo-against-app-legislation-russian-cyberattack-thwarted-european-telecoms-exit-russia/
06:11 TR Bot; Apple CEO Against App Legislation, Russian Cyberattack Thwarted, European Telecoms Exit Russia : Broadband Breakfast
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06:12 TR News; "According to notes published alongside the release of OpenSSH 9.0, the open-source group will now use the hybrid Streamlined NTRU Prime" https://www.securityweek.com/openssh-moves-prevent-capture-now-decrypt-later-attacks | Source: Security Week
06:12 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: securityweek.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.securityweek.com/openssh-moves-prevent-capture-now-decrypt-later-attacks https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.securityweek.com/openssh-moves-prevent-capture-now-decrypt-later-attacks
06:12 TR Bot; Moves to Prevent 'Capture Now, Decrypt Later' Attacks | SecurityWeek.Com
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06:13 TR News; "The website will serve as a gateway to the CCB before the full opening of the board to users of copyrighted materials later this spring." https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/10/copyright-office-copyright-claims-board-website/ | Source: Digital Music News
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06:13 TR News; "Santiago joins the company from Meta (formerly Facebook), and will partner with Vices existing creative and editorial teams." https://variety.com/2022/film/news/rich-santiago-vice-media-group-svp-1235232136/ | Source: Variety
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06:13 TR Bot; Media Group Names Rich Santiago as SVP - Variety
06:14 TR News; "We see tons of projects with the infamous Blue Pill STM32 boards" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/arming-with-an-os/ | Source: Hackaday
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06:15 TR Bot; Sci-Fi Contest: A Hand-Following Robot, Powered By Arduino | Hackaday
06:18 TR News; "A spectrum visualizer is always a fun project, but we really liked [Yannick99]s take on it since it uses seven IN-13 Nixie tubes for the display." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/nixie-spectrum-display-has-seven-bands/ | Source: Hackaday
06:18 TR Bot; Spectrum Display Has Seven Bands | Hackaday
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06:20 TR Bot; How to File Taxes Online Securely in 2022
06:20 TR News; "That energy storage is a hot topic is hardly a surprise to anyone these days." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/the-future-of-energy-storage-on-both-sides-of-the-meter/ | Source: Hackaday
06:20 TR Bot; Future Of Energy Storage On Both Sides Of The Meter | Hackaday
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06:28 schestowitz-TR; schestowitz: gm
06:28 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: gm
06:29 SomeH4x0r; hi
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06:31 SomeH4x0r; hi
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06:32 matey; hey
06:32 TR News; Twitter won't immediately die. It'd failing, so it'll get warped into something else and then die. Same for Facebook.
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06:56 leah; schestowitz-TR: do you know if rms addressed the microcode issue?
06:56 leah; i only care about the talk because someone asked him about by policy regarding cpu microcode
06:58 leah; he alluded to libreboot lol. but i don't think he'd talk about microcode, because the topic of osboot would come up
06:58 leah; and according to his email, he's "not against what i'm doing" :P
06:58 leah; the man is ahypocrite
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 108.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 340.56
06:59 leah; an absolute hypocrite
06:59 SomeH4x0r; having a few people represent the entire free software movement is the reason I wanted to sign anti-RMS letter
07:00 leah; i have better things to do than listen to this talk
07:00 leah; i'll go do that now
07:01 leah; rms talks about freedom. i do more for freedom than he does, and i have the courage to tell the truth about microcode, about hardware, etc
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07:11 psydruid; are his own and his family's and friends' positions in the hardware world the reason why he has never wanted to discuss hardware freedom?
07:15 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh#Relationship_to_the_Bible
07:15 TR Bot; Epic of Gilgamesh - Wikipedia
07:16 matey; <SomeH4x0r> having a few people represent the entire free software movement is the reason I wanted to sign anti-RMS letter
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07:16 matey; ^ there is no need to smear rms to avoid having a few people representing the entire free software movement
07:17 matey; the movement is falling apart on its own
07:17 matey; all you need to do is grab a piece and do what you will (hopefully something good) with it
07:17 leah; "I don't think what you're doing is horrible."
07:18 leah; this is from an email on 25 March 2021, written by rms, regarding osboot
07:18 matey; <leah> rms talks about freedom. i do more for freedom than he does <- that may be true today, but he created the movement you serve
07:18 leah; this is why i call rms a hypocrite
07:18 matey; ive spent literally years watching the "state of free software" and ive been focused mostly on its future
07:18 leah; he's not privately against osboot. but talks shit about it (merely not by name) by talking about microcode stuff
07:19 matey; i recognise leah as a likely key figure (one of many) in that future
07:19 matey; we need more people doing things like this.
07:19 leah; matey: i want to completely smash that world you're dreaming of, because that world has me or someone else as the "supreme leader"
07:19 leah; i don't want supreme leaders
07:19 leah; i want a collective. a federation
07:19 matey; that world has me or someone else as the "supreme leader <- not at all
07:19 leah; we've discussed it before, so there's no need for me to repeat it
07:19 matey; i want a collective. a federatio <- ive been talking about a federation for years
07:20 leah; oh sorry, i misread
07:20 matey; in fact ill explain how and why i started talking about a federation
07:20 leah; "one of many" is what you actually wrote
07:20 matey; i misread <- no worries at all
07:20 leah; "many" is the keyword here
07:20 matey; originally i intended to "fork" the fsf
07:20 leah; don't bother. let it rot
07:20 matey; then i wanted to make my fork easier for other people to fork.
07:20 leah; the federation will come
07:20 matey; yes
07:20 leah; it's already here
07:20 leah; someone just needs to put a name on it
07:21 leah; i've moved the date for launching fedfree to summer of 2022
07:21 matey; then i decided that people had no interest in forking the fsf
07:21 matey; well what youre doing does more to fulfill what ive been talking about than it contradicts it
07:21 matey; i never imagined that every "node" would be the same
07:22 matey; rather that each would have strengths and weaknesses
07:22 matey; and that the federation (the whole) would fuse those together-- like the movement itself is intended to (even the original movement)
07:22 matey; but since forking an organisation is boring and no fun, i figured there should be a "lighter-weight option" even years ago
07:23 matey; and that these satellite mini-orgs, or "labs" instead of forking an entire org, could join together under "umbrella orgs" which were larger and cared about more mundane organisational tasks
07:24 matey; of course this is all probably more elaborate than it needs to be
07:24 matey; the real point is federation itself.
07:24 matey; and you can see other people (like leah) arriving at this on their own, which suggests even more that its a viable idea.
07:25 matey; whats really great about the federation, imo, has two parts
07:25 matey; first: the movement gains a future
07:25 matey; the fsf doesnt seem to have one
07:25 matey; second: the movement does not have to sit under a failing, monolithic org. why repeat that mistake?
07:26 matey; of course one of the most important things is that this not turn into open source
07:26 matey; most of my more elaborate concerns are about avoiding that sort of course
07:26 matey; i consider open source to be bait-and-switch. i want real freedon.
07:26 matey; freeddom
07:26 matey; and maybe a better keyboard.
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07:30 matey; the choice of "lab" for nodes is no mistake. we should be doing research on how to further free software
07:30 matey; osboot is doing that kind of research
07:31 matey; libreboot is failing (as far as i can tell) as a way to get freedom over boot firmware
07:31 matey; osboot is a different approach
07:31 leah; have you ever considered the true role gnu has had in free software?
07:31 matey; if libreboot is sufficient, we probably dont need osboot. if libreboot is failing, the floor needs to be open to ideas
07:32 leah; when you actually look at history, you'll find that there is another community which also gained traction in the 80s and 90s, on a completely different origin, but with the same goal
07:32 matey; have you ever considered the true role gnu has had in free software? <- i consider it the original flagship of the movement-- but one that has failed
07:32 matey; when you actually look at history <- im very interested in that history
07:32 matey; but what are you referring to exactly
07:32 leah; BSD predates GNU
07:32 activelow; GPL2 (3?) copyleft is too weak
07:33 matey; activelow just became a contract lawyer tonight
07:33 leah; and BSD's origin is literally unix itself
07:33 matey; yes
07:33 matey; bsd predates gnu
07:33 leah; before linux started, gnu was on the fringes
07:33 matey; however there were two people who more than any other, pushed for bsd to become free (theres one other factor i should mention and will)
07:34 matey; those people were richard stallman and john gilmore
07:34 activelow; gpl copyleft wasn't too weak (both legally and technically) in the beginning, to attract various developers; nowadays it is insufficient
07:34 leah; and it's only a historical accident that the distros used gnu
07:34 matey; there was one other factor in bsd becoming free
07:34 matey; and that account is told be kirk mccusick
07:34 leah; i think if gnu and linux never started, bsd would have been the thing everyone uses. and i think libre software would be in about the same position its in now
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07:35 matey; a lot of companies wanted bsd to be under a license that allowed them to put it on chips on expansion boards
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07:35 matey; so these three factors led to a free/open version of bsd
07:35 matey; not i almost never say free/open but here i might as well
07:35 matey; 1. companies wanted it 2. stallman pushed for it 3. john gilmore pushed for it
07:36 matey; the most free version of bsd by far (in policy and reality) is openbsd, unless you count hyperbola (openbsd-based)
07:36 leah; what about netbsd and freebsd?
07:37 matey; freebsd imo is the least free of these, in ways i can detail
07:37 leah; go on then
07:37 matey; netbsd is in the middle but includes non-free drivers
07:37 activelow; bsd hasn't got any copyleft clause, stating the obvious; and even with gpl widespread corporations molest devs and users
07:37 matey; openbsd comes from netbsd but has a much stricter policy about drivers
07:37 matey; hyperbola extends that policy to firmware (openbsd has no interest in doing that)
07:38 matey; openbsd isnt a movement, its a project. they dont want to do firmware.
07:38 matey; their policy reflects this
07:38 matey; but they dont tolerate non-free drivers
07:38 matey; freebsd has its package management tied into github. policy documents too.
07:39 matey; ive heard they have a policy about free drivers, but i didnt spent 10 fucking years migrating from dos and windows just to get all my "free software" from ibm and microsoft again
07:39 matey; monopoly has to die
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07:39 matey; so it matters to me how forkable an os is. freedom 3 in reality, not just on paper
07:39 matey; openbsd is the most forkable
07:40 matey; i think netbsd is probably the second most forkable
07:40 TR News; RIPE does it https://labs.ripe.net/author/leo_vegoda/ripe-code-of-conduct-process/
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07:40 TR Bot; RIPE Code of Conduct Process | RIPE Labs
07:40 matey; everybody else seems to want a dick sucking contest with microsoft and ibm, im not interested (personally)
07:40 leah; i'm actually against what hyperbola is doing with openbsd btw
07:40 leah; i'm against fsdg
07:40 activelow; ideally, GPL could prohibit the deployment of any individual peace of free software into IBM Wintel realm; at any level beginning inside firmwares and wherever else
07:40 leah; i'm also against proprietary firmware
07:40 activelow; *piece
07:40 matey; i'm against fsdg <- im not a huge fan of fsdg
07:40 leah; but i think removing them solves nothing
07:41 leah; in fact, i think that does more harm
07:41 matey; i understand and respect your position on this
07:41 leah; people won't use your libre OS if their hardware doesn't work
07:41 matey; note im presently using openbsd anyway
07:41 leah; firmware is unfortunately needed
07:41 leah; i want that firmware to be there
07:41 leah; *firmware*
07:41 leah; not drivers
07:41 matey; i really liked using trisquel, back when it was less of a joke
07:41 matey; because i was SURE it wouldnt work-- and it did!
07:41 matey; but, its a complex issue because
07:42 matey; if you look around, we are all fucked on the hardware front, unless we want to be owned by intel forever.
07:42 leah; wait what?
07:42 matey; and amd is no better
07:42 leah; in what way is trisquel a joke now?
07:42 schestowitz-TR; [21:26] <techrights-news> Rubn is founder of the Trisquel GNU/Linux distribution project and other nonprofits. He has contributes to freedom and privacy oriented Web tools, such as GNU IceCat, GNU LibreJS and JShelter. http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/trisquel-founder-on-lazy-eye/
07:42 TR Bot; LibrePlanet 2022 Talk by Rubn Rodrguez Prez, Founder of Trisquel GNU/Linux | Techrights
07:42 leah; my opinion about it has changed over the years, but i can't see that the project has changed at all over the years
07:42 leah; they seem to still be doing a decent job, technically, on the OS
07:42 matey; in what way is trisquel a joke now? <- im sure my rant about trisquel will be the least interesting part of this to you. would you like to save that part for some other time and focus on the rest?
07:43 leah; ok
07:43 matey; cheers
07:43 matey; but what i mean is
07:43 matey; abuot the rest
07:43 TR News; microsoft windows tco https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/04/russian-cyberattack-against-ukrainian-power-grid-prevented.html
07:43 TR Bot; Cyberattack against Ukrainian Power Grid Prevented - Schneier on Security
07:43 matey; if we want to move past being serfs of x86
07:43 matey; a goal that you, myself and my associates share
07:43 matey; trisquels approach probably does not serve that goal.
07:43 matey; nor does hyperbolas
07:44 leah; trisquel does support arm now
07:44 matey; and this is because of the fsdg
07:44 matey; trisquel does support arm no <- cool
07:44 leah; to be clear, i agree with you
07:44 leah; i'm merely being factual
07:44 matey; i see linux as a dead end
07:44 matey; no i think facts are extremely important
07:44 matey; and underrated
07:44 matey; so is context, and i think you do justice to both
07:45 matey; to be clear, i dont idolise you or anything
07:45 matey; i admire what youre doing and i think its important
07:45 matey; we need more people doing this sort of thing
07:45 *schestowitz-TR does too
07:45 matey; youre setting an example
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07:46 schestowitz-TR; (re " i admire what youre doing and i think its important")
07:46 matey; when we are looking for examples of people who understand the future of free software
07:46 matey; we dont have a lot of examples right now. obviously sam zeloof is fucking important too
07:47 matey; what sam zeloof is doing right now is such a big fucking deal he could be one of the more important names of the 21st century
07:47 matey; like edison or tesla in the 20th
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07:49 leah; yes, his name matters a lot
07:49 leah; more people need to know about sam zeloof and the libre silicon project
07:49 matey; of course its what hes actually doing that matters
07:49 matey; i actually heard about sam zeloof from you and one other person (you first) the same week
07:49 matey; it was so close together i said to the other person "wait, did you tell me about him or did i tell you?"
07:49 TR News; EU site blocked by javascript, PDFs updated the other day https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12979-Civil-liability-adapting-liability-rules-to-the-digital-age-and-artificial-intelligence/public-consultation_en
07:50 TR Bot; Have your say
07:50 matey; they were just as excited as you or i
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07:51 matey; i was a kid when i foresaw fpgas. i compare hearing about sam zeloof to the first time i saw a picture of an fpga on the cover of scientific american
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07:51 matey; i liked eeproms. seemed like a likely candidate for future computing developments.
07:51 matey; "of course these will replace floppies"
07:52 matey; i realise theyre not exactly the same as nand flash. theyre certainly close enough for me
07:52 leah; matey: you probably heard about sam's work from ariadne first
07:52 matey; and i honestly dont know exactly how fpgas work, but whats important is they do what i
07:52 leah; she promoted it, and then someone else linked it on a mailing list
07:52 leah; and then i saw it
07:52 matey; no, i did not hear about sams work from ariadne, even if she talks about him constantly (which i havent noticed but i dont follow her closely)
07:53 matey; <leah> she promoted it <- thats good
07:53 leah; actually i'm a bit fuzzy too
07:53 matey; the important thing is that everybody understands that homemade cpus are not 20 years off in the future
07:54 matey; they need to consider the implications of this for computing and freedom
07:54 leah; anyway, the thing to realize about sam's work is that's how things should have been in the 80s
07:54 leah; his work is correcting a mistake
07:54 matey; agreed
07:54 leah; people think of software in a vacuum
07:54 leah; but hardware is the first step
07:54 leah; the *first* step
07:54 matey; yes, thats a mistake
07:54 leah; software comes from hardware
07:54 leah; you write software to run on a particular processor
07:54 TR News; SJVN at El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/13/linux_column/
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07:54 TR Bot; Linux desktop is still the best desktop The Register
07:54 matey; ive been saying since 2018: "free software, free culture, free hardware"
07:54 leah; or you write a compiler
07:55 leah; don't say free
07:55 leah; say libre
07:55 leah; free is confusing
07:55 leah; i try to avoid the word "free" these days
07:55 leah; i'll either say freedom-respecting, or libre
07:55 matey; im fine with libre
07:55 leah; i have to go pack some orders for shipping
07:55 leah; i'll be back later
07:55 matey; cheers
07:55 leah; just had my porridge. now i will have coffee
07:56 leah; fun fact about porridge: it's a pain in the ass to do it in the microwave
07:56 matey; /me goes to make tea
07:56 leah; it always explodes
07:56 leah; like a volcano
07:56 matey; i just boil water
07:56 matey; i dont own a microwave
07:56 matey; water boils faster in a pan than a pot
07:56 leah; i have nothing to cook porridge with on my stove
07:56 leah; just a pot for doing pasta/soup in
07:57 leah; could use a pan actually
07:57 matey; i do my tea in a pan
07:57 leah; pan porridge
07:57 leah; matey: do it in water, with just the oats. sprinkle in some cinnamon, and slice up some bananas and cook them with the oats
07:58 matey; minus the bananas, plus maple, thats what i do, yes
07:58 TR News; Brodie Robertson should know better than to promote criminals' (Microsoft) attack on Free software and on Git itself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbG_mLsbw24
07:58 TR Bot; https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=JbG_mLsbw24
07:58 leah; anyway, laters
07:58 TR Bot; invidio.xamh.de | Explore Github Straight From The Terminal!! - Invidious
07:58 matey; cheers
07:58 TR News; "Its been a few weeks already that our now former colleague, Mark Dougherty, has decided to venture on a solo mission to create his own Linux dedicated website, called Linux Gaming Central. Now that the site has quite a few articles (and a logo) under its belt, its a good time to feature what you can find on it." https://boilingsteam.com/linux-gaming-central-its-live-check-it-out/
07:58 TR Bot; Linux Gaming Central: it's Live, Check it Out! - Boiling Steam
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 37.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 81.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 326.06
07:59 TR News; A compact DIY controller for gaming or robotics | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/14/a-compact-diy-controller-for-gaming-or-robotics/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
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07:59 TR Bot; A compact DIY controller for gaming or robotics | Arduino Blog
08:01 TR News; "For years, weve noted how one of the greasier lobbying tactics in telecom is the co-opting of civil rights groups to provide the illusion of broad support for whats often awful policy." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/13/big-telecom-astroturfers-smear-fcc-nom-gigi-sohn-in-arizona/ | Source: Techdirt
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08:01 TR Bot; Telecom Astroturfers Smear FCC Nom Gigi Sohn In Arizona | Techdirt
08:01 leah; i'll stick around for a bit while i sip my coffee
08:01 matey; pans already on
08:02 leah; matey: banana and cinnamon goes great
08:02 TR News; "It must be tax season, because here we are yet again talking about Intuit and the companys skullduggery when it comes to offers for free tax filing." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/13/still-terrible-intuit-hit-by-ftc-lawsuit-over-deceptive-free-tax-filing-advertising-practices/ | Source: Techdirt
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08:02 TR Bot; Terrible: Intuit Hit By FTC Lawsuit Over Deceptive Free Tax Filing Advertising Practices | Techdirt
08:02 leah; mix in the cinnamon with the oats and water
08:02 leah; slice the banana rigorously. thin slices. mix it in
08:02 leah; cook it together, in the pan
08:02 TR News; "One of the many symptoms of the many, deep-rooted, law enforcement sicknesses is how often officers decide to help people by harming them" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/13/eleventh-circuit-strips-immunity-from-deputy-who-saved-a-war-vet-from-self-harm-by-breaking-his-neck/ | Source: Techdirt
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08:02 TR Bot; Circuit Strips Immunity From Deputy Who Saved A War Vet From Self-Harm By Breaking His Neck | Techdirt
08:02 leah; could always use milk too, but i don't usually buy milk
08:02 TR News; Games: Lumencraft, No Mans Sky, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163703
08:02 TR Bot; Games: Lumencraft, No Man's Sky, and More | Tux Machines
08:03 leah; banana and cinnamon in porridge. breakfast for champions
08:03 matey; i use milk. around here i get shit for it :)
08:03 schestowitz-TR; granola!
08:03 leah; shit for it?
08:03 schestowitz-TR; with tons of sugar!
08:03 leah; do you live with vegans?
08:03 matey; yeah wannabe vegans in here
08:03 matey; no i mean in this channel
08:03 matey; its ok, i think its funny
08:03 leah; matey: i was vegan for a full year
08:03 leah; i did it for science
08:03 schestowitz-TR; then want to thailand
08:04 schestowitz-TR; *went
08:04 matey; im not against people being vegan
08:04 matey; but i put milk in my tea
08:04 leah; veganism is pointless
08:04 leah; that's what i concluded
08:04 leah; but:
08:04 leah; here in europe and north america, we eat far too much meat and dairy
08:04 leah; far too much
08:04 leah; we need to eat about 10% of the meat and dairy we currently consume
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08:05 leah; i have meat in about 1 in every 8 meals? otherwise, usually beans and lentils or something. or mushrooms and peas
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08:05 schestowitz; veganishsm
08:05 leah; you can get calcium from broccoli
08:05 leah; and kale
08:06 leah; most of my meat consumption is fish
08:06 leah; 1 pint of milk per week. that's the maximum amount of dairy anyone should consume, imo
08:06 leah; 1 pint
08:06 schestowitz-TR; in brews?
08:06 matey; /me drinks his tea
08:07 leah; schestowitz-TR: british tea is disgusting
08:07 leah; jasmine/green/mint tea is better
08:07 leah; (without milk)
08:08 *schestowitz-TR goes to make a teapot
08:08 leah; schestowitz-TR: i'm considering reviving my cooking blog
08:08 leah; i used to have a cooking section on my blog
08:08 schestowitz-TR; "cooking with jasmine"
08:08 leah; schestowitz-TR: i've been experimenting ever since living costs went up recently
08:08 leah; schestowitz-TR: for the past 2 weeks, i've been spending 0.50 to about 0.80 on food daily
08:08 leah; and eating 3 very decent meals daily
08:09 leah; at my local morrisons, if you go there at certain times in the day, you get stuff for pennies, close to expiry
08:09 matey; close to expiry is great
08:09 leah; so i just go there every day. and usually spend less than 1 for the whole day's worth of food
08:10 leah; (rice/oats purchased fortnightly)
08:10 leah; schestowitz-TR: and i haven't lost weight
08:10 leah; and i'm eating well
08:10 leah; gonna do a cooking blog, but it'll be named:
08:11 leah; How to eat for 1 a day
08:11 schestowitz-TR; wow, without bargsins?
08:11 leah; no, bargains
08:11 schestowitz-TR; [08:09] <leah> at my local morrisons, if you go there at certain times in the day, you get stuff for pennies, close to expiry
08:11 schestowitz-TR; That's what we do
08:11 leah; i've eaten nothing but reduced items for 2 weeks
08:11 schestowitz-TR; yes, under a pound a day is doable
08:12 leah; got a freezer full of bread
08:12 leah; lol
08:12 leah; big loafs for 0.06
08:12 schestowitz-TR; but wait, some stuff you cannot get discounted, coffee for example..
08:12 leah; yeah
08:12 schestowitz-TR; that's what aldi is for
08:12 leah; big 3 jar will last you a month though
08:13 leah; 2 weeks if you drink it heavily
08:13 schestowitz-TR; moi? no
08:13 leah; yeah well
08:13 leah; gonna get solar installed here
08:14 matey; tea i get is about the same price, lasts 3 months (asian variety, just leaves no bags)
08:14 leah; because fuck paying 200 a month on electricity
08:14 TR News; "Periodically, we get a glimpse into the financial lives of the ultrarich. A pro athlete signs a huge contract, a tech CEO sells a boatload of shares in their company..." https://www.propublica.org/article/americas-top-15-earners-and-what-they-reveal-about-the-us-tax-system | Source: Pro Publica takes bribes from bill gates though
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08:14 TR Bot; Americas Top 15 Earners and What They Reveal About the U.S. Tax System ProPublica
08:14 leah; i use a lot of electricity
08:14 schestowitz-TR; computers?
08:15 schestowitz-TR; we have 8 turned on all the time
08:15 matey; and equipment
08:15 schestowitz-TR; and bill for two, gas inc., under 100 a month
08:15 leah; schestowitz-TR: what are they running though
08:15 leah; my computers are regularly running stuff
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08:15 matey; /me wonders how much juice leahs soldering iron goes through in a month
08:15 schestowitz-TR; leah: mostly idle
08:16 leah; schestowitz-TR: depending on your tariff though, they still charge you daily, even if you don't use anything
08:16 schestowitz-TR; yes
08:16 schestowitz-TR; it's a trick
08:16 schestowitz-TR; like ISPs with line rental
08:17 leah; yep
08:17 matey; /me is glad it didnt work out with the one in the uk
08:17 leah; so even with solar panels, you still pay some monies for electricity
08:17 leah; even if you never dip into mains
08:17 leah; one 4k panel will power an average home
08:17 leah; including at night (battery backup wired into the panel's supply)
08:18 leah; you can get money back for energy you don't use though, that gets fed back into the grid
08:18 matey; pay your tarrif with it
08:18 leah; (if you have solar)
08:19 leah; schestowitz-TR: if you don't have kids and are single, living can be very cheap
08:19 leah; schestowitz-TR: the only reason i live by myself is because i run a business here
08:19 leah; if i didn't have minifree, i'd go into a shared accomodation
08:19 schestowitz-TR; couple without kids is cheaper than single
08:19 leah; me and like 5 other people. sharing a house
08:19 schestowitz-TR; assuming both work
08:19 leah; we'd all just split costs
08:20 leah; this is an unpopular opinion but it is a fact also: you can live for <300 a month in the UK
08:20 schestowitz-TR; true
08:20 schestowitz-TR; I calculated this before
08:20 schestowitz-TR; if you share Internet also
08:21 leah; yes, shared costs
08:21 leah; communal living
08:21 schestowitz-TR; that used to be the norm
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08:21 schestowitz-TR; here in manchester library they have exhibits re old houses
08:21 leah; if i didn't have minifree, i'd only need a suitcase with clothes, and my laptop and phone
08:21 leah; and then i'd live in a commune
08:21 schestowitz-TR; and how families would share a lot in common buildings
08:22 schestowitz-TR; like a flood or room per >family<
08:22 leah; schestowitz-TR: i spend more on coffee and toothpaste than food lol
08:22 schestowitz-TR; leah: nomad like is very rms-like
08:23 leah; there's a problem though, and it's not my problem, but:
08:23 leah; if everyone does what i do, then it would be impossible
08:23 schestowitz-TR; but I figured a long time ago that part of stability is minimising the reqs
08:23 leah; the way i live depends on others being wasteful
08:23 leah; so i'm not really being efficient
08:23 leah; i'm just exploiting other people's greed
08:23 matey; <leah> i'm just exploiting other people's greed <- if everyone did what you did, it would work even better
08:23 schestowitz-TR; many geeks exploit misconrehension of tech
08:24 schestowitz-TR; and charge people a lot for very very simple tasks
08:24 leah; like flashing coreboot on a chip?
08:24 leah; :P
08:24 schestowitz-TR; if you have practice
08:24 schestowitz-TR; like people paying lawyers
08:24 schestowitz-TR; to do very simple things
08:24 schestowitz-TR; but do they 'right'
08:24 leah; speaking of lawyers
08:24 leah; i read an interesting article in the guardian the other day
08:24 leah; let me pull it up
08:24 schestowitz-TR; *them 'right
08:25 leah; schestowitz-TR: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/12/barristers-striking-justice-system-legal-aid
↺ https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/12/barristers-striking-justice-system-legal-aid
08:25 TR Bot; Unnecessary and irresponsible? No barristers are striking because justice is being denied | The Secret Barrister | The Guardian
08:25 matey; strikes are very popylar right now
08:25 SomeH4x0r; someone send me this link on another channel:
08:25 SomeH4x0r; *sent
08:25 leah; this is from a public defense lawyer
08:25 SomeH4x0r; https://i0.wp.com/onlymyenglish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/What-is-a-Preposition-min.png?fit=850%2C600&ssl=1
08:25 leah; well, here in UK call it legal aid solicitor
08:25 SomeH4x0r; the direct link is https://onlymyenglish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/What-is-a-Preposition-min.png
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08:26 leah; right now if you're in the UK, you can't get legal aid easily
08:26 leah; you have to pay for a private lawyer
08:26 SomeH4x0r; so, another "alternative" for avoiding Cloudflare
08:26 SomeH4x0r; schestowitz-TR: ^?
08:26 schestowitz-TR; it can be uploaded somewhere
08:26 leah; schestowitz-TR: btw, i think the tories are going to elect a new leader in the summer
08:27 schestowitz-TR; but many image cds use clownflare
08:27 schestowitz-TR; clownflare loses money
08:27 leah; probably liz truss
08:27 schestowitz-TR; it operates at a loss to give incentive to people to enter the jail
08:27 schestowitz-TR; same as youtube in past years
08:27 leah; ok, coffee is consumed
08:27 leah; time to get to work
08:27 schestowitz-TR; we wrote about liz truss
08:27 schestowitz-TR; hang on..
08:28 leah; i actually think she's the least evil of them. her policy about trans people is very troubling, though
08:28 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/05/23/evangelos-chatzikos-and-richard-arnold/
08:28 TR Bot; The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 17: The External Members: Evangelos Chatzikos and Richard Arnold | Techrights
08:28 schestowitz; in relation to the protests
08:29 leah; schestowitz: she's the best person to lead the tories though, if they want to win the next general election
08:29 schestowitz-TR; she seems ok
08:29 schestowitz-TR; we wrote good things about her
08:29 leah; if boris is still leader at that time, labour will win
08:29 SomeH4x0r; it seems it *does* work with other stuff, though only certain file extensions
08:29 SomeH4x0r; e.g. no SVG
08:29 leah; schestowitz-TR: and i actually don't want a labour government
08:30 leah; right now, under current climate, they'd actually be worse
08:30 matey; labour is avoiding a labour government too
08:30 schestowitz-TR; the party isn't the only factor
08:30 schestowitz-TR; but the system
08:30 schestowitz-TR; [22:45] <techrights-news> 651 COVID-19 Deaths Reported in the UK Today (63.4% Increase This Past Week Alone) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/13/covid19-death-toll/
08:30 TR Bot; Blog Archive 651 COVID-19 Deaths Reported in the UK Today (63.4% Increase This Past Week Alone)
08:31 schestowitz-TR; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/health/
08:31 TR Bot; Health
08:31 leah; schestowitz-TR: labour would actually cause me to have less money per month. no more. less
08:31 leah; but the current tories are bastards
08:31 leah; i want a moderate (e.g. liz truss) to lead it, and for them to better fund public services
08:31 matey; tories are like wal mart
08:32 matey; low prices. they just take it out of something else.
08:32 leah; i'd support a more moderate tory government
08:32 leah; the one we have right now is hard-right authoritarian garbage
08:32 leah; a more libertarian-style tory party would be ideal
08:32 schestowitz-TR; borisnaro might be remembered as worse than theresa may
08:33 schestowitz-TR; since he took power we've been barely keeping the basic right
08:33 schestowitz-TR; on all fronts
08:33 leah; i'd vote for them, depending who they have in charge
08:34 schestowitz-TR; local election coming
08:34 leah; schestowitz-TR: but that depends on a lot of ifs
08:34 leah; schestowitz-TR: i'm boycotting it
08:34 schestowitz-TR; I just help greens here
08:34 schestowitz-TR; where I live tories get fewer votes than greens
08:34 leah; yeah don't you have a labour mayor there?
08:34 leah; up in manchester
08:34 schestowitz-TR; my area of it
08:35 matey; SomeH4x0r <- i dont follow what the difference between the two links is supposed to be
08:35 leah; schestowitz-TR: ever since corbyn's labour fell apart, i abandoned leftwing politics
08:35 leah; i only respected labour when corbyn was in charge
08:35 leah; right now, they're no different than the tories
08:35 matey; thats true mostly
08:36 leah; but at least the tories are honest about who they are and what they stand for
08:36 SomeH4x0r; matey: one link is Cloudflare, the other link is an image proxy
08:36 matey; oh a proxy
08:36 matey; ok cool
08:36 schestowitz-TR; leah: ok, i worried that you hated corbyn
08:36 SomeH4x0r; it seems it only works on certain file extensions though
08:36 schestowitz-TR; what they did to corbyn has a lot in common with the anti-rms uprising
08:37 matey; maybe its by mime type
08:37 matey; svg is text
08:37 leah; schestowitz-TR: i do hate corbyn. what he stands for. he would have been a disaster. but i respect him, because he was honest and no-nonsense about everything
08:37 leah; schestowitz-TR: theresa may and priti patel are the main cause of the current authoritarian streak in the conservative government
08:38 leah; two really bad home secretaries, enacting draconian laws limiting our freedoms
08:38 schestowitz-TR; so you want liz?
08:38 leah; i'd argue that the two individuals mentioned are fascists. not tories
08:38 schestowitz-TR; i'm all in favour btw
08:38 schestowitz-TR; from what I've read of her
08:38 schestowitz-TR; I met may in person more than 20 years ago
08:38 leah; she's a moderate. liz i mean
08:39 leah; she's on the moderate wing of the party
08:39 schestowitz-TR; well, if they respect and grasp justice, that's a start
08:39 leah; i'm not 100% comfortable with her though because of her policy about trans people
08:39 schestowitz-TR; many authoritarians come from business schools
08:39 leah; she's opposed to trans teens getting access to care
08:39 leah; she thinks you should be at least 16 to get puberty blockers, for instance
08:40 SomeH4x0r; just never have children
08:40 schestowitz-TR; or a lot fewer
08:40 leah; but. i don't think she comes from a position of hatred, just ignorance
08:40 schestowitz-TR; we need SOME children
08:40 SomeH4x0r; why?
08:40 schestowitz-TR; extinction
08:40 leah; and i think she could be convinced. with a robust campaign from the trans community
08:40 SomeH4x0r; why not?
08:40 matey; patel is a monster
08:41 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: ask MinceR
08:41 leah; matey: want me to make you hate patel even more?
08:41 matey; why not
08:41 schestowitz-TR; maybe the cats will want to keep some species of humans in a zoo
08:41 leah; matey: priti patel used to be a lobbyist for tobacco companies
08:41 matey; heh
08:41 SomeH4x0r; children are slaves of the parents. This system needs to be abolished or there will always be such annoyances.
08:42 schestowitz-TR; that''s your personal experience
08:42 matey; children are slaves of the parents. This system needs to be abolished <- doable
08:42 schestowitz-TR; i helped my parents voluntarily
08:42 schestowitz-TR; some suggested letting the state take over the kids
08:42 schestowitz-TR; I'm not sure i condone this
08:42 SomeH4x0r; a siren
08:42 schestowitz-TR; many parents ay least love their kids
08:42 matey; the state isnt really the answer
08:42 schestowitz-TR; states are instrument of the powerful
08:42 matey; take care SomeH4x0r
08:43 leah; schestowitz-TR: but yes, aside from her policy about trans teenagers, i think liz truss would make a great prime minister
08:43 matey; states are instrument of the powerful <- true
08:43 leah; schestowitz-TR: kier starmer would be terrible in no10
08:43 matey; leah: do you get a lot of shit from fellow trans activists for this stance?
08:43 leah; matey: yes
08:43 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: sad to hear
08:43 leah; i've been blocked on twitter, many times
08:43 leah; it's why i avoid being political on twitter nowadays
08:44 leah; i'm in an extreme minority:
08:44 leah; > non-binary
08:44 leah; > asexual
08:44 leah; > conservative views
08:44 schestowitz-TR; leave twitter
08:44 leah; most of my kind are leftie
08:44 schestowitz-TR; it's BS
08:44 matey; yep, youre fucked
08:44 schestowitz-TR; and getting worse
08:44 leah; schestowitz-TR: i promote my company there
08:44 leah; i don't use it for social purposes
08:45 schestowitz-TR; there may be better ways to promote the company
08:45 leah; matey: conservative lgbt activists do exist in number, though
08:45 schestowitz-TR; with same effort levels
08:45 matey; oh yeah
08:45 leah; matey: did you know the conservative party has more openly lgbt MPs than labour?
08:45 leah; it has *more*
08:45 matey; former libertarian. we still get along.
08:45 leah; 26 at present
08:45 leah; 22 in labour
08:45 leah; matey: also:
08:45 leah; https://www.lgbtconservatives.org.uk/
08:45 TR Bot; LGBT+ Conservatives |
08:45 matey; matey: did you know the conservative party has more openly lgbt MPs than labour? <- labour is a fucking farce right now
08:46 leah; it's a thing
08:46 matey; so it doesnt surprise me
08:46 leah; matey: also, TERF / gender-critical crowd has a stronger presence in labour than in the tory party
08:46 matey; the world is usually more interesting than one persons views after all
08:46 leah; i actually think a labour government would be worse for trans people
08:46 leah; *worse*
08:46 leah; lol
08:46 matey; matey: also, TERF / gender-critical crowd <- yeah, nina paley makes me sad
08:47 matey; i used to buy her stuff
08:48 leah; that's why
08:48 leah; on balance
08:48 leah; i think a tory government lead by liz truss is the best thing right now
08:48 TR News; "We speak with Starbucks Workers United organizer and barista Jaz Brisack on the growing Starbucks union drive that has swept across 30 U.S. states since she helped successfully organize" https://www.democracynow.org/2022/4/13/starbucks_workers_united_unionizing_union_drive | Source: Democracy Now
08:48 TR Bot; 200 Starbucks & Counting: Barista Jaz Brisack Says Union Busting Cant Stop Worker Solidarity | Democracy Now!
08:48 leah; her views come from ignorance, not hatred, and i think she could be turned. with a rigorous campaign from lgbt activists
08:49 leah; i distinguish our adversaries like that. i put them in two groups:
08:49 leah; * ignorance-based
08:49 leah; * hate-based
08:49 matey; either way, one would think that being trans doesnt mean giving up your right to a political opinion of your own, eh?
08:49 leah; hate-based is people like boris johnson and jacob rees mog
08:49 leah; ignorance-based is people like david cameron and liz truss
08:49 matey; her views come from ignorance, not hatred, and i think she could be turned <- good stuff
08:49 TR News; "The term neoliberalism is often used to condemn an array of economic policies associated with such ideas as deregulation, trickle-down economics, austerity, free markets, free trade" https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neoliberalism-gary-gerstle/ | Source: The Nation
08:49 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neoliberalism-gary-gerstle/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neoliberalism-gary-gerstle/
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08:49 TR Bot; Has Neoliberalism Really Come to an End? | The Nation
08:49 leah; and what you have to realize is:
08:50 leah; the person in charge is more exposed to many groups of people
08:50 leah; trying to convince the current tory leadership to support us is folly
08:50 mjg59_; leah: Has the party ever apologised for section 28?
08:50 leah; that's why i want them to have more moderate leadership, that's more likely to listen to us
08:50 leah; mjg59_: not that i'm aware
08:51 leah; actually
08:51 leah; mjg59_: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jul/02/david-cameron-gay-pride-apology
08:51 TR Bot; David Cameron apologises to gay people for section 28 | David Cameron | The Guardian
08:51 TR News; "A bit over 40 years ago the UK and the United Statesfollowed within a few years by most of the rest of western Europeembarked on a radical experiment in governance and economics" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/autocrats-trump-putin-and-le-pen-exploit-failures-neoliberalism | Source: Common Dreams
08:51 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/autocrats-trump-putin-and-le-pen-exploit-failures-neoliberalism https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/autocrats-trump-putin-and-le-pen-exploit-failures-neoliberalism
08:51 TR Bot; Opinion | Autocrats Like Trump, Putin, and Le Pen Exploit Failures of Neoliberalism | Thom Hartmann
08:51 leah; mjg59_: our history is weird like that though:
08:51 leah; > tories oppose rights of an oppressed group
08:51 mjg59_; Oh gosh I missed that
08:51 leah; > left/liberal forces liberate us
08:52 leah; > former oppressed group becomes first of former oppressed group to become leader... and it's a conservative
08:52 leah; tories have had 2 female prime ministers lol
08:53 leah; mjg59_: cameron also supported marriage equality
08:53 leah; and one of his ministers came out as gay during his time in office, and he congratulated her
08:53 leah; (justine greening)
08:53 leah; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_Greening
08:53 TR Bot; Justine Greening - Wikipedia
08:53 mjg59_; Yeah with hindsight various aspects of his social policy were not as bad as I'd expected them to be
08:54 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/irc-log-130422/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/14/irc-log-130422/
08:54 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 | Techrights
08:54 leah; mjg59_: labour under corbyn would have been great for lgbt people, if it came to power
08:54 leah; but starmer is a bastard
08:54 leah; a coward
08:54 mjg59_; Oh yeah fuck that dude
08:54 leah; being dogged left and right by terfs. and he's giving in to them
08:54 leah; boris is a bastard too
08:54 mjg59_; Utterly unprincipled
08:54 matey; starmer is a bastard <- yes
08:54 leah; i want liz truss to be next tory leader - and i predict she will
08:54 leah; mjg59_: current tory leadership chaos will end. tories are good at that
08:54 leah; they have a "system"
08:55 leah; when a leader goes foul, they chuck that leader
08:55 leah; i predict a leadership contest in the summer. and i think liz truss will win
08:55 mjg59_; Yeah the observation that being brutal at throwing out leaders is beneficial for elections is fascinating
08:55 leah; mjg59_: there's a group within the tories called Conservative Home that regularly does polls among party members
08:55 leah; and their most recent poll around party leadership revealed that liz truss is a favourite among members of the party
08:56 leah; and looking at her speeches, the way she conducts herself, i think she'd be effective
08:56 mjg59_; But it's also notable that bad press against potential Boris opponents has tended to show up shortly before bad Boris news
08:56 TR News; "Many of us have read about Stirling engines, engines which form mechanical heat pumps and derive motion from the expansion and contraction of a body of air." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/home-made-stirling-engines-from-expedient-materials/ | Source: Hackaday
08:56 TR Bot; Made Stirling Engines From Expedient Materials | Hackaday
08:56 TR News; "We are used to dealing with warping when printing with thermoplastics like ABS, but metal printers suffer from this problem, too." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/reducing-warping-in-metal-3d-prints/ | Source: Hackaday
08:56 TR Bot; Warping In Metal 3D Prints | Hackaday
08:56 leah; mjg59_: the tory party is a well-oiled machine, optimized for winning elections
08:56 leah; boris will be out by the end of the summer. i predict it
08:56 leah; his time is over
08:56 leah; because of the partygate stuff
08:57 mjg59_; Yeah as a political engine they're very effective
08:57 mjg59_; I'll admit that while hating basically 100% of what they stand for politically
08:57 leah; mjg59_: but the only one i support to replace him is liz truss
08:58 leah; moderate tories are alright. they're the kind of people that are at least somewhat compassionate about others
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 49.11 average k/sec., average swarm size 315.96
08:59 leah; anyway
09:00 leah; mjg59_: you might find this amusing:
09:00 mjg59_; The problem there is that Starmer has basically positioned Labour as the compassionate tory part
09:00 leah; ghttps://twitter.com/justinegreening/status/746697259736268800?lang=en
09:00 leah; https://twitter.com/justinegreening/status/746697259736268800?lang=en
09:00 TR Bot; Today's a good day to say I'm in a happy same sex relationship, I campaigned for Stronger In but sometimes you're better off out! #Pride2016
09:01 mjg59_; Ha
09:01 leah; mjg59_: starmer is a bastard
09:01 leah; the blairite wing of the labour party is in power again
09:01 leah; in power of the labour party, that is
09:02 leah; they're currently stifling free speech within the party, silencing leftwing parts of it
09:02 mjg59_; Urgh if only John Smith hadn't died
09:02 leah; they threw out corbyn for example
09:02 leah; the anti-semite stuff was a smear campaign imo
09:03 leah; that, plus getting corbyn to back 2nd EU referendum
09:03 leah; he was doomed lol
09:03 leah; the old adage about the left eating its own ass
09:03 leah; it always comes true
09:04 leah; mjg59_: i respect people who are honest about who they are and what they stand for, even if i disagree with them
09:04 leah; so i would have respected a labour government under corbyn
09:04 leah; but i would have hated it
09:04 leah; similarly, tory government under liz truss would be respectable imo. for the same reason
09:04 TR News; "News reports were everywhere that an autonomous taxi operated by a company called Cruise was driving through San Francisco with no headlights." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/does-your-programmer-know-how-fast-you-were-going/ | Source: Hackaday
09:04 TR Bot; Your Programmer Know How Fast You Were Going? | Hackaday
09:05 leah; i respect someone who stands up and says what they believe in, and then fights for that
09:05 matey; the real goal of the labour party is a socialist europe
09:05 leah; boris on the other hand, doesn't believe in anything. he just wants power
09:05 matey; but certainly not under blair and his fakes
09:05 TR News; "With conflicts raging over masks, books, and curriculums in the nation's public schools, you'd be forgiven for missing a noteworthy new proposal from the U.S. Department of Education." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/federal-spending-charter-schools-needs-reform | Source: Common Dreams
09:05 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/federal-spending-charter-schools-needs-reform https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/federal-spending-charter-schools-needs-reform
09:05 TR Bot; Opinion | Federal Spending on Charter Schools Needs Reform | Jeremy Mohler
09:06 leah; capitalism but with well-funded schools, hospitals, welfare state and justice system
09:06 leah; that's what i want
09:06 matey; why capitalism then?
09:06 leah; when something is a natural monopoly, it better be run by the state
09:06 matey; if you want the other bits
09:06 leah; matey: see: natural monopolies
09:06 leah; if something inevitably will become a monopoly, the state should run it, as efficiently as possible, free at the point of use, funded by tax
09:07 matey; interesting
09:07 leah; so, hospitals for example
09:07 leah; matey: but that's only very few things
09:07 leah; almost everything else imo is fair game
09:07 leah; i don't support socialism
09:07 leah; i used to. but i became disillusioned when i actually met real socialists
09:07 leah; i saw into their hearts and saw what they were
09:07 leah; control freaks
09:08 matey; <- socialist with a libertarian streak
09:08 matey; used to be the other way around
09:08 leah; that's what socialism is. an ideology that says "for the people, by the people" but what that means in practise is an authoritarian prick telling you how much money you're allowed to make
09:08 matey; but what that means in practise <- yes that happens, its shit
09:08 leah; so i say: capitalism but with decently funded public services
09:08 leah; and
09:08 leah; basically
09:09 leah; that's the conservative party
09:09 leah; but i'd never vote for them in their current form. the hard-right run it
09:09 leah; taken too far, capitalism is also bad
09:09 leah; my views sit somewhere between the liberal democrats and the moderate wing of the conservative party
09:10 leah; when you think about it, capitalism is the greatest thing ever. but we also have things like nhs, welfare state etc that are also good
09:10 leah; look at countries that have done socialism, or are currently doing it
09:10 matey; when you think about it, capitalism is the greatest thing ever <- its a step forward from feudalism
09:10 leah; they're all poor. their people are starving
09:11 matey; a lot of them were inspired by stalin
09:11 matey; stalin was EXCELLENT at starving and murdering people
09:11 leah; under capitalism, only a few people are poor. the rest are fine. and you protect the lowest in society with welfare
09:11 leah; i do support the existence of a well-funded welfare state
09:11 leah; and the current tory party is ideologically gutting it, for like, no reason other than sadism
09:12 leah; tories in the 90s were much better. under john major's government
09:12 leah; welfare was actually well-funded
09:12 matey; under capitalism, only a few people are poor <- im far too interested in your tech work to get in a big debate about poltics but i think this is the flaw in your logic
09:12 leah; the unemployed had support
09:12 leah; (the blair government did increase payouts though)
09:12 matey; blair was a mess
09:12 TR News; Patents killing millions fopr profit https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/13/rich-nations-big-pharma-still-blocking-early-exit-pandemic-experts | Source: Common Dreams
09:12 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/13/rich-nations-big-pharma-still-blocking-early-exit-pandemic-experts https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/13/rich-nations-big-pharma-still-blocking-early-exit-pandemic-experts
09:12 TR Bot; Rich Nations, Big Pharma Still Blocking 'Early Exit' From Pandemic: Experts
09:13 matey; i was close friends with someone who worked for him
09:13 leah; pre-iraq pre-afghanistan, blair was alright
09:13 leah; he was basically liberal
09:13 leah; liberals are ok
09:13 leah; liberal or moderate conservative is ideal
09:13 leah; matey: but he was in charge of a party with lots of socialists in it :P
09:14 leah; so he got dragged a bit
09:14 matey; well i use the term "left opportunists" a lot
09:14 matey; im not sure you believe theres a difference between the left and left opportunists. and i can appreciate why anyone might feel that way, having been there many times myself
09:14 matey; but the people youre complaining about are left opportunists anyway
09:14 leah; ok, define left opportunist
09:14 matey; one might say "fake left"
09:15 TR News; EFF still not sure if it likes censorship ("misinformation") or not. EFF should urge people to abandon social control media. It would solve many problems. https://www.eff.org/press/releases/human-rights-groups-urge-social-media-platforms-better-protect-free-flow-information | Source: EFF
09:15 TR Bot; Civil Liberties Groups Urge Social Media Platforms to Better Protect Free Flow of Information in Crisis Zones | Electronic Frontier Foundation
09:15 matey; well an opportunist is someone who doesnt really give a shit about the cause
09:15 leah; i assume you mean people like liz kendall
09:15 matey; but just rides it for their own personal reasons
09:15 matey; i mean i dont follow most of the people in uk politics at the moment, its barely even a hobby
09:15 leah; are you in the uk?
09:15 matey; i get exposed to bits and pieces of it
09:15 matey; not anymore
09:15 leah; ok
09:15 TR News; Social control media is no sacred cow. It's not social. It's not media. We need REAL media back.
09:16 leah; schestowitz-TR: at least elon musk isn't joining the board ;)
09:16 leah; though he does have a stake in twitter
09:16 schestowitz-TR; doesn't matter
09:16 schestowitz-TR; twitter is bought and paid for
09:16 schestowitz-TR; it's a tool of occupation
09:16 schestowitz-TR; and it's about time to jump ship
09:16 matey; /me predicted musks stake in twitter
09:17 matey; roy said it would collapse, i said it would become a vanity project
09:17 leah; mastodon then
09:17 leah; run your own mastodon server
09:17 matey; roy will still be right eventually
09:17 leah; anyway
09:17 leah; if i'm right, and the tories elect liz truss as their new leader
09:17 schestowitz-TR; twitter is the next "truth social"|
09:17 leah; i will be voting for them
09:17 leah; in the next election
09:18 leah; fuck labour
09:18 leah; but if they don't, and the current hard-right administration remains in place,
09:18 leah; then i simply won't vote
09:19 TR News; "For several years the Identity Project has been engaging with the Port of Seattle over its expansion of automated facial recognition to track travelers at Sea-Tac Airport" https://papersplease.org/wp/2022/04/12/signage-at-new-sea-tac-terminal-flunks-legal-test/ | Source: Papers Please
09:19 TR Bot; Facial recognition signage at new Sea-Tac terminal flunks legal test Papers, Please!
09:20 leah; mjg59_: tories are holding off for now, because council elections are next month. leadership contest right now would hurt their results
09:21 leah; but they also know they'll suffer next month regardless. boris is finished
09:21 matey; couldnt happen to a nicer fellow
09:21 matey; at least he can get back to his buses
09:22 leah; a few more partygate fines, and bad council election results: that will trigger enough discontent within the party, for MPs to write to 1922 committee
09:22 leah; and then a leadership contest will be triggered. i predict that it will happen in the summer
09:22 leah; (1922 committee is the committee that runs the tory party. the leader answers to it)
09:23 leah; labour is fucked. whoever they elect will be more sober minded and serious
09:23 leah; labour's only chance to win in 2024 is if boris is still the party leader
09:25 mjg59_; I'd love to think so, and also a lot of the MPs have shown themselves to be pretty craven
09:25 mjg59_; But if I'm wrong, I'll be happy!
09:33 matey; /me is watching a video (on youtube) about a prototype version of the old testament which features in no small part a potentially homoerotic sun god
09:34 TR News; Patents killing millions of people https://truthout.org/articles/health-experts-covid-vaccine-inequity-is-still-endangering-millions-of-lives/ | Source: TruthOut
09:34 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/health-experts-covid-vaccine-inequity-is-still-endangering-millions-of-lives/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/health-experts-covid-vaccine-inequity-is-still-endangering-millions-of-lives/
09:34 TR Bot; Health Experts: COVID Vaccine Inequity Is Still Endangering Millions of Lives
09:34 matey; and its a harvard lecture by someone who has devoted a great deal of his career to the topic
09:34 matey; i fucking love the internet
09:35 schestowitz-TR; a shame as you will be heartbroken
09:35 schestowitz-TR; i am not telling you this because you do not know
09:35 schestowitz-TR; you know too well
09:36 TR News; Proprietary Worlds and Open Alternatives gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-14-proprietary-worlds-and-open-alternatives.gmi
09:36 matey; yes?
09:37 TR News; Congratulations Apple! You made a laptop as annoying to use as Microsoft Windows gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/02/17.1
09:43 TR News; "The ideas that made Unix, hints for writing Unix tools, cron best practices, three different sorts of filesystem errors, LibreSSL 3.5.1 released, taskwarrior to manage tasks, and more." https://www.bsdnow.tv/450
09:43 TR Bot; BSD Now 450: Unix Tool Writing
09:44 TR News; "Stuart Langridge, Jono Bacon, and special guest star Alan Pope present Bad Voltage, in which intelligence is artificial, snaps are un-ned, and art is what you make it" https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/14/3x44/
09:44 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: badvoltage.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/14/3x44/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/14/3x44/
09:44 TR Bot; 344: The Loch Dustbinness Monster | Bad Voltage
09:54 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: Tidelift, TLLTS, BSD Now, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163704
09:54 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: Tidelift, TLLTS, BSD Now, and More | Tux Machines
09:55 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163705
09:55 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:58 TR News; This is bollox. Bad advice. Gulag and the US government keeps ALL this data. https://www.maketecheasier.com/prevent-google-tracking-location/
09:58 TR Bot; How to Disable or Automatically Delete Google Location History - Make Tech Easier
10:11 TR News; "FOSS Linux" has just posted WSL trash. These sites need to understand that WSL is an ATTACK on GNU/Linux. It's hardly surprising that Microsoft booster promote this scheme to 'extinguish' GNU/Linux.
10:12 TR News; "FOSS Linux", what has happened to you? https://www.fosslinux.com/49812/delete-a-discord-server.htm Discord cannot be deleted, the company keeps everything to possibly sell your data. Discord needs a boycott.
10:12 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: fosslinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fosslinux.com/49812/delete-a-discord-server.htm https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.fosslinux.com/49812/delete-a-discord-server.htm
10:12 TR Bot; How to delete a Discord server | FOSS Linux
10:15 SomeH4x0r; server?
10:15 SomeH4x0r; fucking guild
10:15 schestowitz-TR; yeah
10:15 schestowitz-TR; words lose their maning
10:16 schestowitz-TR; *meaning
10:16 activelow; anyone remembers a case, when GNU and/or FSF enforced GPL copyleft?
10:16 schestowitz-TR; slaveowners keep rebranding their slaves
10:21 TR News; Microsoft TCO (or back doors TCO): "Microsoft has released an advisory to address CVE-2022-26809, a critical remote code execution vulnerability in Remote Procedure Call Runtime Library. A remote, unauthenticated attacker could exploit this vulnerability to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/13/microsoft-releases-advisory-address-critical-remote-code-execution
10:21 TR Bot; Microsoft Releases Advisory to Address Critical Remote Code Execution Vulnerability (CVE-2022-26809) | CISA
10:22 TR News; Windows TCO https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/13/apt-actors-target-icsscada-devices see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Stuxnet
10:22 TR Bot; APT Actors Target ICS/SCADA Devices | CISA
10:22 TR Bot; Stuxnet - Techrights
10:23 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163706
10:23 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
10:23 TR News; "Dark mode" has become a form of greenwashing. Just remember to buy another POS device every 3 years?
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10:27 TR News; Microsoft, Microsoft, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Kaseya (Windows)... https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/13/cisa-adds-10-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
10:27 TR Bot; CISA Adds 10 Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA
10:28 schestowitz-TR; CISA must be run partly by Microsofters
10:28 schestowitz-TR; They save face and shift attention to FOSS in a negative light quite a lot
10:29 TR News; LoadingMessage component for Kirigami Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163707
10:29 TR Bot; LoadingMessage component for Kirigami | Tux Machines
10:31 TR News; Ubuntu Budgie 22.04 LTS - New Features and Release Details Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163708
10:31 TR Bot; Ubuntu Budgie 22.04 LTS - New Features and Release Details | Tux Machines
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11:07 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> I'd love to think so, and also a lot of the MPs have shown themselves to be pretty craven
11:07 DaemonFC; It's politics, but the Democrat Party in the US is pretty bad.
11:07 DaemonFC; We're dealing with a year's worth of inflation every month now and Biden is such an idiot he doesn't know how to fix it and such an asshole he doesn't even care.
11:08 DaemonFC; They'd rather lose the election than do anything to help us.
11:08 DaemonFC; Unless Donald Trump comes back, Biden is one term and done.
11:09 DaemonFC; IF Trump comes back, it's a coin toss really.
11:09 DaemonFC; People don't like either one of them but Trump polls ever so slightly worse.
11:14 DaemonFC; https://votedanbrady.com/key-issues
11:14 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: votedanbrady.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://votedanbrady.com/key-issues https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://votedanbrady.com/key-issues
11:14 TR Bot; Dan Brady - Positions on the Key Issues
11:14 DaemonFC; Vote Saxon
11:15 DaemonFC; Anyway, yeah, the DMV is pretty horrible. The Currency Exchange gets away with charging more because they get you in and out faster, they never close, and you can get your car title transferred and plates on the car in the middle of the night if you have to.
11:17 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-investigates/after-months-of-living-amid-roaches-and-rodents-cha-allows-mom-of-6-to-break-lease/
11:17 TR Bot; After months of living amid roaches and rodents, CHA allows mom of 6 to break lease | WGN-TV
11:18 DaemonFC; Meanwhile, CHA leases space to Target and builds $1,800 a month micro apartments for hipsters.
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11:26 TR News; 7 Best Free and Open Source Text-Based Git Clients Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163709
11:26 TR Bot; 7 Best Free and Open Source Text-Based Git Clients | Tux Machines
11:26 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163710
11:26 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
11:32 TR News; Red Hat (ICBM) "The Great Resignation may be a myth or reality" says a collapsing company. They keep pushing this misleading spin or myth to blame the workers for getting laid off. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/artificial-intelligence-ai-7-key-roles
11:32 TR Bot; Artificial intelligence (AI): 7 roles to prioritize now | The Enterprisers Project
11:33 TR News; Ben Cotton: Balancing advancement and legacy https://funnelfiasco.com/blog/2022/04/13/balancing-advancement-and-legacy/ spin from ICBM http://techrights.org/2022/04/08/planned-obsolescence-ibm/
11:33 TR Bot; Balancing advancement and legacy Blog FiascoBlog Fiasco
11:33 TR Bot; IBM and Fedora: Stop Being Poor! Buy a New PC! | Techrights
11:34 TR News; [COPR] Why my patches are missing from custom build https://dingyichen.wordpress.com/2022/04/14/copr-why-my-patches-are-missing-from-custom-build/
11:34 TR Bot; [COPR] Why my patches are missing from custom build | Definite's Extractor
11:35 TR News; "When you write source code, you're writing code for humans to read. Computers can't execute source code until the code is compiled into machine language, a generic term referring to any number of languages required by a specific machine." https://opensource.com/article/22/4/jvm-parameters-java-developers
11:35 TR Bot; guide to JVM parameters for Java developers | Opensource.com
11:36 TR News; My favorite build options for Go | https://opensource.com/article/22/4/go-build-options Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
11:36 TR Bot; favorite build options for Go | Opensource.com
11:38 TR News; "LINUX" is still a strong brand provided you don't add "Foundation" to it
11:40 TR News; "Following The Qt Company's decision to withdraw support for the Russian market, KDAB's geolocation block of its website and Upwork stopping its operations in Russia, there's a likely need of Qt support in the country." http://www.mardy.it/blog/2022/04/looking-for-qt-support-get-in-touch.html
11:40 TR Bot; Looking for Qt support? Get in touch! | Mardy
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11:42 TR News; Microsoft proxy CompTIA getting webspam and misleading puff pieces from 'FOSS'life https://www.fosslife.org/tech-job-growth-continues-climb
11:42 TR Bot; Tech Job Growth Continues to Climb
11:45 TR News; "I realized there was some sort of low-hanging fruit I could pick to better tune my WiFi at home. You see, I'm kind of a fraud in WiFi: I only started a WiFi mesh in Montreal (now defunct), I don't really know how any of that stuff works." https://anarc.at/blog/2022-04-13-wifi-tuning/
11:45 TR Bot; Tuning my wifi radios - anarcat
11:45 TR News; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163711
11:45 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines
11:46 DaemonFC; https://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/want-a-smoother-ride-change-your-wheel-and-tire-size-213549
11:46 TR Bot; - page unavailable
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11:47 DaemonFC; When I first saw people switching to big rims and smaller tires for them I said "That looks retarded and it can't ride well and without the cheap rubber tire absorbing the shock it all goes straight into the expensive suspension components and wears them out faster. Why would anyone do that?".
11:48 DaemonFC; Now OEMs are putting that on as standard equipment and you need to buy new rims if you want away from it.
11:48 TR News; Debian: Dirk Eddelbuettel, Antoine Beaupr, and More Apt Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163712
11:48 TR Bot; Debian: Dirk Eddelbuettel, Antoine Beaupr, and More Apt | Tux Machines
11:50 TR News; Razer-designed Linux laptop targets AI developers with deep-learning emphasis http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163670#comment-33341
11:50 TR Bot; Razer and Lambda Team Up to Unveil a Linux Laptop for Deep Learning | Tux Machines
11:53 TR News; Boing Boing = webspam https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html
11:53 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: boingboing.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html
11:53 TR Bot; Six Linux courses that can take you from computer zero to hero quickly | Boing Boing
11:54 TR News; "Training Bundle might even make the most novice computer user into a regular Bill Gates." WTF?? https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html
11:54 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: boingboing.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html
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11:55 TR News; Bill gates: criminals since his teen years. Also: dumpster diver, stealing other people's code.
11:55 TR News; Best Raspberry Pi Projects Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163713
11:55 TR Bot; Best Raspberry Pi Projects | Tux Machines
11:56 Techrights-sec; yes boingboing has been crap since corey left they shill M$ shift often and
11:56 Techrights-sec; loudly
11:57 schestowitz-TR; when asking cory in twitter about what BB was doing
11:57 schestowitz-TR; he was like, I have nothing to do with these people
11:57 schestowitz-TR; very dismissive
11:58 Techrights-sec; "make the most novice computer user into a regular Bill Gates."
11:58 Techrights-sec; what, does it come with a complementary NAMBLA membership?
11:58 Techrights-sec; yes he probably feels burned because it was off to a good start while he
11:58 Techrights-sec; was there
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11:59 DaemonFC; <Techrights-sec> what, does it come with a complementary NAMBLA membership?
11:59 *spazzz is now known as spazz
11:59 DaemonFC; North American Marlon Brando Look Alikes?
11:59 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
11:59 schestowitz-TR; This is not a BB problem but a WWW problem
11:59 schestowitz-TR; far too many sites are becoming like this
11:59 schestowitz-TR; moments ago I also mentioned FOSSLife
12:01 DaemonFC; "Buicks offer a more upscale experience than your average Toyota, Mazda, or Nissan car but not as upscale as BMWs, Jaguars, Audis, Mercedes-Benzes, etc."
12:02 DaemonFC; European luxury cars give you a more luxurious interior to sit on while the engine boils itself to death on the side of the road.
12:04 DaemonFC; "According to RepairPal, the average annual maintenance and repair cost for a Buick is $608, which is noticeably lower than the $652 across all models and much lower than the costs for a BMW ($968), Mercedes-Benz ($908), and many other makes of luxury cars."
12:04 DaemonFC; That's just an average though. When the BMW's cooling system fails, people tend to get rid of the car seeing as how the engine's ruined too the first time it overheats because of plastic and aluminum crap inside.
12:04 DaemonFC; So the repair bills stop with the car is 7 or 8 because it's just scrap metal at that point.
12:05 Techrights-sec; They are one example of the symptom.
12:05 Techrights-sec; I guess buyouts worked for the colleges and universities and now they are turning to the reamining areas where people can self-tea
12:05 Techrights-sec; learn in spite of everything else.
12:06 DaemonFC; "A reason for this is because Buick is part of General Motors and shares parts with the companys other brands, particularly Chevrolet, which makes the parts needed to make repairs affordable and easily attainable."
12:06 DaemonFC; Yes, which increases the size of the aftermarket and makes sure you can still get parts for your Buick!
12:07 DaemonFC; In many cases, between 1999 and 2009, the parts are exactly the same between various GM models, including Cadillac, Chevy, Buick, and Pontiac (defunct).
12:07 DaemonFC; Even though Pontiac has been gone for years now, you can get parts.
12:07 DaemonFC; They're generic.
12:08 DaemonFC; If you get some weird car with a limited production run that breaks down all the time, good luck.
12:08 DaemonFC; FIAT is now selling less than 50,000 cars per year into the American market, in total, under the FIAT brand. So they're considering packing up and leaving.
12:09 DaemonFC; Americans joke about FIAT meaning "Fix It Again, Tony!" because they're so poorly made.
12:09 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, You have to wonder how some of these companies are even in business.
12:10 DaemonFC; Who would buy something that is so unreliable and is well known for changing their parts around so much you can never get a good deal on them.
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12:11 leah; schestowitz-TR: i'm such a twat, i didn't know it was bank holiday friday+monday this month
12:11 leah; easter weekend
12:11 leah; i hate bank holidays. especially double bank holidays
12:11 DaemonFC; Yeah, and IKEA isn't even doing their Easter dinner anymore.
12:12 DaemonFC; :(
12:12 leah; payments still come in, but i have to explain to my customers why their laptop will take 2 additional business days to ship
12:12 leah; because most of my customers are foreigners, who don't have bank holidays
12:12 leah; or they do, but on different dates
12:12 DaemonFC; <leah> because most of my customers are foreigners, who don't have bank holidays
12:12 DaemonFC; They don't have Christians in those countries?
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12:13 leah; they do, but they won't take time off from work
12:13 leah; due to less workers rights
12:14 leah; meh
12:14 leah; that's 4 days for me to goof around then
12:14 leah; yay
12:16 schestowitz-TR; leah: I only remembered a week ago
12:16 leah; we should like, be a completely robotic society. just have everything running 24/7, 7 days a week. and 1/7th of workforce has monday and tuesday off. next 1/7th have tuesday and wednesday. etc
12:16 leah; that way, twats like me who work every day and don't consider it work, but consider it fun (coreboot is fun) don't get pissed off waiting for stuff to open after being closed for days
12:17 leah; but there's a twist. have it all running non-stop but have everyone doing no more than 4 hour shifts. at double the current wages
12:17 DaemonFC; https://9to5mac.com/2022/04/13/some-of-the-top-free-apps-on-the-mac-app-store-are-just-bait-for-in-app-purchases-says-developer/
12:17 TR Bot; Mac App Store apps are just 'bait' for in-app-purchases - 9to5Mac
12:17 leah; basically make the UK like a borg ship
12:18 leah; 1/3 of it operating, the rest of it sleeping, but it's always operating
12:18 DaemonFC; And even the Apple fan sites admit that most of the App Store is just bait for dumbshit and dumbshits.
12:18 leah; schestowitz-TR: have you ever considered how absurd it is that the country is completely dead, for 12 hours every day?
12:18 leah; empty streets
12:19 schestowitz-TR; no
12:19 schestowitz-TR; streets can be redundant
12:19 schestowitz-TR; many drive for no reasons
12:19 schestowitz-TR; better use of the space is possible
12:19 leah; yeah like the netherlands
12:19 leah; their public transport and cycling infrastructure is amazing
12:19 leah; schestowitz-TR: but in the netherlands, they have bicycle traffic jams
12:19 leah; ever seen those?
12:20 leah; you can sometimes actually be stuck in bicycle traffic
12:20 schestowitz-TR; lol
12:20 DaemonFC; I commented: "Even the Apple fan sites admit that most of the Apps are trash designed to bait people in to waste money, like a roach motel.
12:20 DaemonFC; There's no replacement for local computing and Free and Open Source Software."
12:20 leah; i'm serious
12:20 schestowitz-TR; leah: cycling is no fun near roads
12:20 leah; bunch of dutch people swearing on their bikes, waiting to get ahead
12:20 leah; it's hilarious
12:20 schestowitz-TR; even on cycling lanes
12:20 schestowitz-TR; we only cycle on the canal side
12:21 leah; i bike it on the roads where i am
12:21 leah; next to traffic
12:21 leah; but yeah, better infrastructure is needed
12:21 leah; cars are stupid
12:21 leah; trains and buses are better
12:21 leah; plus bicycles
12:21 leah; more trains and buses would be my preference
12:21 leah; would help disabled people too, who may not be able to drive very easily, and rely on public transport
12:23 leah; plus, electric trains have been a thing for a while now
12:23 DaemonFC; "Cindy Coffelt
12:23 DaemonFC; I used to shop weekly at Wal-Mart but over the last five years I've come to absolutely hate shopping there. I now only go about once a month for a couple of items that I have trouble finding elsewhere."
12:23 leah; can run it all on solar and wind power
12:23 leah; and btw
12:23 DaemonFC; I replied, "At least they're not like Amazon, with Bezos launching himelf into "technically space" while his workers never last more than a month or two and have to pee in bottles, and third party sellers with counterfeit junk."
12:23 leah; two countries on earth are known to be very windy:
12:23 leah; * pakistan
12:23 leah; * UK
12:23 leah; both of these countries have some of the best potential for wind energy
12:23 leah; wind farms
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12:25 TR News; 158174 | Gemini address: 158174
12:25 TR News; Links 14/04/2022: IBM/Red Hat Arguing Against Legacy Support | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/against-legacy-support/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/14/against-legacy-support/
12:25 TR Bot; Links 14/04/2022: IBM/Red Hat Arguing Against Legacy Support | Techrights
12:25 TR News; Proprietary Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163714
12:25 TR Bot; Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
12:25 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163715
12:25 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
12:26 schestowitz-TR; [12:23] <leah> both of these countries have some of the best potential for wind energy
12:27 schestowitz-TR; we'd need to abandon cars except food transport etc.
12:27 schestowitz-TR; wing generates energy, but some things use it up too fast
12:27 schestowitz-TR; *wind
12:28 schestowitz-TR; and don't get me started ib "Electric" planes
12:28 schestowitz-TR; or space missions
12:28 schestowitz-TR; spaceX... powered by batteries :-)
12:29 schestowitz-TR; things people concerned for the planet can do:
12:29 schestowitz-TR; 1) very rarely fly
12:29 schestowitz-TR; 2) never buy a car
12:29 schestowitz-TR; 3) don't have kids
12:30 schestowitz-TR; 4) recycle, reuse, repurpose etc.
12:30 schestowitz-TR; use clothing instead of heating to the extent feasible (some age groups and parts of the world cannot)
12:30 schestowitz-TR; things that won't save us:
12:30 schestowitz-TR; 1) tech utopia
12:31 schestowitz-TR; 2) buying "newer" and "greener" things (more manufacturing)
12:31 schestowitz-TR; (1) and (2) are pseudo-solutions touted by capitalists
12:32 schestowitz-TR; turning the climate and overpopulation disaster into yet more profits (or "capitalist activity")
12:32 schestowitz-TR; double glazing or better insulation can knock off billions of energy bills, over decades
12:33 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC took is (IMO) too far
12:33 schestowitz-TR; he started sleeping in a bag, zipped up
12:33 schestowitz-TR; there are way to reuse energy
12:34 schestowitz-TR; like putting computers in the same room, then shutting the doors
12:34 schestowitz-TR; a lot of excess energy becomes heat, also body heat
12:34 schestowitz-TR; several people in the same room means energy sharing
12:34 schestowitz-TR; it all sounds radical
12:34 schestowitz-TR; and media won't advocate such things, it's too busy "selling"
12:34 schestowitz-TR; not teaching
12:35 schestowitz-TR; we've not turned on the heating for years
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12:36 schestowitz-TR; speaking of energy use
12:36 schestowitz-TR; the web also contributes a lot to pollutio
12:36 schestowitz-TR; on the client side and server side
12:36 XRevan86; https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/releases/0.3.50
12:36 schestowitz-TR; they are, at best, greenwashing their act
12:36 TR Bot; 0.3.50 PipeWire / pipewire GitLab
12:37 leah; schestowitz-TR: how do you avoid your pipes freezing?
12:37 leah; if you don't turn on the heat i mean
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12:38 TR News; "[I almost used the word on-boarding in the title, but then I realized that's marketspeak and I don't want to use marketspeak as I find the synergism incondusive to the synchronistic harmonizing of perpendicular incentives." gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/02/28.1
12:38 leah; schestowitz-TR: i saw a post from someone once, about sustainable server hosting
12:39 leah; basically the dude was running a raspberry pi off of a solar panel
12:39 leah; tiny panel
12:39 schestowitz-TR; leah: valve
12:39 schestowitz-TR; for outdoor pipes
12:39 leah; ok
12:39 schestowitz-TR; otherwise it bursts a lot
12:40 leah; according to the gas man who came recently to check my boiler, the government is ordering the construction of hydrogen infrastructure
12:40 schestowitz-TR; keeping water in the pipes warm is not good use of energy
12:40 leah; we will have hydrogen in our homes in like
12:40 leah; 10 years?
12:40 leah; hydrogen boilers
12:40 leah; > hydrogen
12:40 schestowitz-TR; bam
12:40 leah; so their thinking is:
12:40 leah; rebuild the pipes really thick, and make damn sure they're well-welded
12:41 leah; and make sure the boilers are reliable... yeah, right lol
12:41 schestowitz-TR; broken windows theory
12:41 leah; i'll make sure to have thermal solar panels long before i let someone put hydrogen in my house
12:41 schestowitz-TR; we used from electric showers to ga
12:41 schestowitz-TR; gas
12:41 leah; that shit is even less safe than regular gas
12:41 schestowitz-TR; and now the price of gas goes through the roof
12:42 leah; yeha i was gonna ask, how do you shower if you havent turned the heating on in years
12:42 leah; was gonna ask if you go cold
12:42 leah; cold showers are ok once you get used to them
12:42 schestowitz-TR; not in winter
12:42 schestowitz-TR; but water heating is another matter
12:42 schestowitz-TR; even washing machines need that sometimes
12:42 schestowitz-TR; not alway
12:43 schestowitz-TR; some can heat that up or do cold washes
12:43 leah; i've never understood though why you need gas to heat a home
12:43 leah; why can't boilers just be electric?
12:43 schestowitz-TR; but with 20 litres you can get a long shower
12:43 leah; heating element and just heat water
12:43 schestowitz-TR; the temperature differential in summer is small
12:43 schestowitz-TR; like 26->35
12:43 leah; like, why do you need gas
12:44 leah; electric heaters are more efficient
12:44 schestowitz-TR; gas used to be cheaper
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12:44 schestowitz-TR; but there's another facet
12:44 schestowitz-TR; like electric heater breaking a lot
12:45 schestowitz-TR; and being hard to repair
12:45 schestowitz-TR; so you can connect one single boiler to the whole
12:45 schestowitz-TR; and then maintain just that one thing
12:51 leah; schestowitz-TR: anyway
12:51 leah; local jobs
12:51 leah; local jobs means people can walk
12:51 leah; then you build cycling lanes
12:51 leah; i agree with you: roads should be mostly for delivery of goods
12:51 schestowitz-TR; tell that to "clown computing" boosters
12:52 schestowitz-TR; they don't have any notion of local
12:52 leah; ?
12:52 leah; well a job on the internet neither is nor isn't local
12:52 leah; unless i suppose if you host the servers in your own lab
12:52 schestowitz-TR; a lot of jobs can be done from home or walking distance
12:52 schestowitz-TR; self-hosting is feasible
12:52 schestowitz-TR; but the www is far too bloated
12:52 leah; yeah well, i've identified that these things are the cause of global warming:
12:52 schestowitz-TR; maybe by design
12:53 leah; * meat/dairy indistry. we need to eat like, 90% less of that
12:53 schestowitz-TR; and the intention of floating everything to datacentres
12:53 leah; * commuting to work by car
12:53 leah; * soybean farming
12:53 leah; (yes, vegans, looking at you. you're just as bad as meat eaters)
12:53 schestowitz-TR; soy needs ruining forests
12:53 schestowitz-TR; it causes its own problems
12:53 leah; plus like
12:53 leah; a few other things
12:54 leah; pets are bad too. we breed animals just to have as pets
12:54 schestowitz-TR; no
12:54 leah; a pet labradour is pretty bad for the planet
12:54 schestowitz-TR; companionship is important
12:54 schestowitz-TR; pets don't use up muhc energy
12:54 leah; but i wouldn't want to take people's pets
12:54 leah; and they're not the biggest threat
12:54 leah; so...
12:54 schestowitz-TR; pets rarely fly
12:55 leah; less meat, less milk, less cheese, less cars
12:55 schestowitz-TR; you forgot less people
12:55 leah; and no soybeans
12:55 schestowitz-TR; nobody likes to say that
12:55 leah; schestowitz-TR: i was going to say it
12:55 schestowitz-TR; haha
12:55 leah; but it's pointless to say it
12:55 leah; know why?
12:55 schestowitz-TR; because it's not politically-correct
12:55 leah; nobody will ever listen to it. human nature is to procreate endlessly
12:56 schestowitz-TR; people insinuate you want to kill people
12:56 leah; schestowitz-TR: no, i don't mind saying it, and i agree
12:56 leah; schestowitz-TR: that's the only way to do it. that's why i didn't say it
12:56 leah; because i see no way to do it, without endorsing genocide
12:56 schestowitz-TR; as you are aware I'm a neo (news) philes
12:56 leah; what's what
12:56 schestowitz-TR; and this week I saw many items about famine and startvation
12:57 schestowitz-TR; also water crisus
12:57 schestowitz-TR; neophile = lover of news
12:57 leah; i actually think we can have like double or triple the number of human beings
12:57 leah; it's totally fine
12:57 leah; and i believe it will happen in my lifetime
12:57 leah; population 30 billion
12:57 schestowitz-TR; there is already a capacity issue
12:58 schestowitz-TR; and we're ruining forests
12:58 leah; ruining forests to eat meat and dairy
12:58 schestowitz-TR; many animals become extinct
12:58 leah; also soybeans
12:58 leah; meat, dairy and soybeans are in large part why we cut down trees
12:58 leah; to make farm land
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 353.93
12:59 leah; i don't know how we would do paper sustainably
12:59 leah; how to make paper, that is
12:59 leah; and shipping containers are often made from trees too
12:59 leah; cardboard i mean
13:00 schestowitz-TR; it's an x*y*z problem
13:00 schestowitz-TR; reduce x
13:00 schestowitz-TR; or y
13:00 schestowitz-TR; or z
13:01 schestowitz-TR; even if you reduce consumption, waste etc. you won't accomplish enough if you double the size of the population every 50-100 years
13:02 leah; i'd say covid might be the answer you're looking for, to reduce world population
13:02 leah; but so far, it has only gotten rid of about 0.5% of humanity
13:02 schestowitz-TR; like MinceR might say, it's not strong enough
13:02 schestowitz-TR; and it mostly kills very elderly people
13:02 schestowitz-TR; it handicaps others
13:02 schestowitz-TR; putting burden on the health systems
13:03 schestowitz-TR; *healthcare
13:03 schestowitz-TR; leah: and about 10% of businesses, maybe a lot more
13:03 leah; ?
13:04 schestowitz-TR; so a lot more people are financially helpless now
13:04 leah; oh, you mean 10% of businesses shut down
13:04 leah; yeah that'll do it then
13:04 leah; wipe out the rest with poverty
13:04 leah; btw
13:04 schestowitz-TR; [07:53] <techrights-news> COVID-10 death toll https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/08/1049268/the-download-how-a-zambian-morgue-is-exposing-the-real-covid-toll-in-africa/
13:04 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: technologyreview.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/08/1049268/the-download-how-a-zambian-morgue-is-exposing-the-real-covid-toll-in-africa/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/08/1049268/the-download-how-a-zambian-morgue-is-exposing-the-real-covid-toll-in-africa/
13:04 TR Bot; How a Zambian morgue is exposing the real covid toll in Africa | MIT Technology Review
13:04 leah; i'm just being scientific here
13:04 leah; taking your point to the logical extreme
13:04 leah; (methods to reduce world population)
13:04 schestowitz-TR; i think it's like drake equation
13:04 schestowitz-TR; but for planet earth
13:04 leah; how so?
13:05 schestowitz-TR; and not for probability, rather than overall utility
13:05 schestowitz-TR; rms tried to 'lecture' brazilians on overpopulation last year
13:05 schestowitz-TR; it did not go well
13:05 schestowitz-TR; not lecture per se
13:05 schestowitz-TR; but catholics are in denial about it, just like muslims
13:05 leah; oh my god
13:06 leah; no pun intended btw, because i wrote it before seeing you add that last line
13:06 schestowitz-TR; their religion tells them to play the "numbers game"... to 'win'
13:06 leah; have you ever heard a brazillian person be angry, swearing and shouting in portuguese
13:06 schestowitz-TR; i know who you mean
13:06 leah; there's the stereotype of them being happy, peaceful people, but then you hear cursing in portuguese
13:06 schestowitz-TR; he shouted in english
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13:07 schestowitz-TR; being happy is getting harder
13:07 leah; schestowitz-TR: was that the same lecture where he had a nervous breakdown?
13:07 schestowitz-TR; unless you become cynical like george carlin
13:07 leah; he tried to speak at a conference in brazil, and spoke in spanish
13:07 leah; but nobody understood him, so he got angry
13:08 schestowitz-TR; the organisers' fault
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13:08 leah; why would you do that though
13:08 schestowitz-TR; but rms could handle it better
13:08 leah; speak spanish at a conference in a portuguese-speaking country
13:09 leah; anyway, i might celebrate easter this year
13:09 leah; with chocolate eggs i mean
13:09 schestowitz-TR; "break an egg"
13:09 leah; i was craving chocolate last night
13:09 schestowitz-TR; I am going to record something in a mo
13:09 leah; ok have fun
13:09 leah; i'm gonna get back to my things
13:10 leah; i'm actually pretty on top of work at the moment. april is usually a slow month
13:10 leah; i'm mostly just getting as ahead as possible
13:10 leah; because i plan to work on a libreboot release soon. ready for release later this month hopefully
13:11 schestowitz-TR; yeah, slow news too
13:11 leah; libreboot and osboot. simultaneous releases
13:11 schestowitz-TR; I shall take advantage of that
13:11 leah; oh?
13:11 schestowitz-TR; what you heard..
13:11 schestowitz-TR; very very slow news
13:11 schestowitz-TR; journalism is nearly dead
13:12 schestowitz-TR; bbiab
13:14 leah; i've also noticed slow news lately
13:15 leah; anyway
13:17 leah; schestowitz-TR: something you might be interested in:
13:17 leah; see: #BigPowerOff on twitter
13:17 leah; next one is on saturday at 7pm. to take part, you just turn off your electricity for 10 minutes at that time, and then turn it back on
13:18 leah; the idea being: if enough people do it, it'll cause a nationwide surge
13:18 leah; which could cause real damage to infrastructure
13:18 leah; and the idea therefore is: energy companies and the government will be forced to lower prices, or get royally fucked
13:19 leah; it's being organized by a group called:
13:19 leah; Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC)
13:19 leah; the organisers are based in sheffield
13:19 leah; you could cover that. i think it's a great idea
13:19 leah; and i've decided that i will take part
13:19 leah; i'm turning off my electricity this saturday, at 7pm. for 10 minutes
13:19 leah; that means all my websites will be offline for 10 minutes
13:21 schestowitz-TR; ok, recording stopped
13:21 leah; in my opinion, they should tell people to do it every day
13:21 leah; 3 times daily
13:21 schestowitz-TR; i had to stop early due to technial f*up
13:21 leah; daily blackouts
13:21 leah; by my estimation, 10% of households need to do this, for the action to be effective
13:23 leah; schestowitz-TR: spain did it, and it worked
13:23 schestowitz-TR; lol
13:23 schestowitz-TR; Twitter
13:23 leah; energy prices went down
13:23 schestowitz-TR; Twitter is NOT for activism
13:23 schestowitz-TR; you are NOT in control
13:23 schestowitz-TR; Twitter controls you
13:24 leah; tell that to spain
13:24 schestowitz-TR; MUSK controls YOU
13:24 leah; they have cheaper energy bills now
13:24 schestowitz-TR; "real damage to infrastructure"
13:25 schestowitz-TR; doesn't sound like Luddites
13:25 schestowitz-TR; sounds like dumbFucks (Facebook(TM)) deluding themselves into things
13:25 schestowitz-TR; you need whisteblowers and stuff
13:25 schestowitz-TR; like at EPO
13:25 schestowitz-TR; or Wikileaks
13:26 schestowitz-TR; vandalising one's own infra isn't conducive
13:26 schestowitz-TR; and it mostly helps Twitter's owners
13:26 schestowitz-TR; who still control you
13:26 schestowitz-TR; they do tons of meddling everywhere
13:26 schestowitz-TR; even elections and wars
13:27 schestowitz-TR; organising actions in social control media is like lecturing veganism inside a lion's den
13:27 schestowitz-TR; eventually the lair's owner will eat you
13:28 schestowitz-TR; leah: if you don't mind me changing subjects
13:28 schestowitz-TR; I am typing up our strategy and priorities at the moment
13:28 schestowitz-TR; with focus on patents
13:28 schestowitz-TR; open to insights from yoiu
13:28 leah; i don't know much about patent issues
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13:29 schestowitz-TR; in libreboot surely you step on a few
13:30 leah; nda's
13:30 leah; it's nda's that bite me
13:31 leah; when i want to know something and the information can only be obtained under nda
13:36 schestowitz-TR; I see
13:36 schestowitz-TR; akin to Trade Secrets?
13:36 schestowitz-TR; those are not the same but related
13:37 schestowitz-TR; are you even allowed to say who signs with who?
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13:39 leah; well, i'm against nda's and don't want to legitimise the practise
13:39 leah; so i never sign them
13:40 leah; patents don't really come up as often in hardware because you're often not able to do anything with it anyway
13:41 leah; but nda's chip documentation is a huge problem
13:48 schestowitz-TR; with patents in the mix I guess
13:48 schestowitz-TR; usually is it patents, secrecy, or both
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13:50 schestowitz-TR; btw re spain
13:50 schestowitz-TR; those fools outsourced to US
13:50 schestowitz-TR; and to US oligarachsa
13:50 schestowitz-TR; and they don't damage only their own griud
13:50 schestowitz-TR; but also their own home appliancesa
13:50 schestowitz-TR; and neighbours
13:50 schestowitz-TR; elaborate sabotage
13:51 schestowitz-TR; encouraged by US-owned and Saudi-owned social control media foolfest
13:51 schestowitz-TR; amazing
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14:03 psydruid; so Musk has made an offer to buy Twitter
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14:03 TR Bot; Tackling EPO Propaganda and Lawlessness: Part 1 | Techrights
14:04 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: has he?
14:04 schestowitz-TR; url?
14:04 schestowitz-TR; i hope it's true
14:04 schestowitz-TR; I REALLY hope it's true
14:04 schestowitz-TR; it'll die faster
14:04 schestowitz-TR; like "truth social"
14:04 schestowitz-TR; or LeeNode
14:05 schestowitz-TR; people don't want to work for charlatans and frauds
14:05 psydruid; https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001494730/000110465922045641/tm2212748d1_sc13da.htm
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14:05 schestowitz-TR; thanks
14:05 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001494730/000110465922045641/tm2212748d1_sc13da.htm )
14:05 schestowitz-TR; "
14:05 schestowitz-TR; Name of Reporting Person: I.R.S. Identification Nos. of Above Person (entities only):
14:05 schestowitz-TR;
14:05 schestowitz-TR; Elon R. Musk
14:05 schestowitz-TR; "
14:05 schestowitz-TR; "Explanatory Note: This statement on Schedule 13D amends the Schedule 13D of Elon Musk (the Reporting Person) that was filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on April 5, 2022, as amended on April 11, 2022 (collectively, the Schedule 13D), with respect to the Common Stock of Twitter Inc. (the Issuer). This amendment to the Schedule 13D constitutes Amendment No. 2 to the Schedule 13D. Capitalized terms used but
14:05 schestowitz-TR; not defined herein have the meanings given to such terms in the Schedule 13D. Except as set forth herein, the Schedule 13D is unmodified."
14:06 schestowitz-TR; "As a result, I am offering to buy 100% of Twitter for $54.20 per share in cash, a 54% premium over the day before I began investing in Twitter and a 38% premium over the day before my investment was publicly announced. My offer is my best and final offer and if it is not accepted, I would need to reconsider my position as a shareholder."
14:06 schestowitz-TR; wow
14:13 TR News; Microsoft's cloud business targeted by EU antitrust regulators http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158424#comment-33342
14:13 TR Bot; EU coalition urges EU to push back against gate keeping by Microsoft, files official complaint | Tux Machines
14:13 TR News; Krita 5.0.5 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163716
14:13 TR Bot; Krita 5.0.5 released | Tux Machines
14:13 TR News; Google Shares Plan to Make Steam Work on Chrome OS with Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163717
14:13 TR Bot; Google Shares Plan to Make Steam Work on Chrome OS with Linux | Tux Machines
14:14 TR News; SUSE Linux Enterprise Micro 5.2 is Generally Available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163718
14:14 TR Bot; SUSE Linux Enterprise Micro 5.2 is Generally Available | Tux Machines
14:21 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-24-memes-81.jpg
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14:44 Techrights-sec; I'm not sure which is worse, Twitter as it has been or Twitter under Musk
14:55 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-24-memes-82.jpg
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14:56 TR News; [Meme] Kangaroos in Ukraine | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/european-putin-office/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/14/european-putin-office/
14:56 TR Bot; [Meme] Kangaroos in Ukraine | Techrights
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15:41 TR News; "Infra is the kind of game that you'd think shouldn't exist, but I'm glad it does." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-04-14-infra.gmi
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15:55 TR News; Tackling EPO Propaganda and Lawlessness: Part 2 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/spurning-science/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/14/spurning-science/
15:55 TR Bot; Tackling EPO Propaganda and Lawlessness: Part 2 | Techrights
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16:08 bnchs_; hello
16:11 schestowitz-TR; 0/
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16:13 bnchs_; '\0'
16:14 schestowitz-TR; it's me waving hello
16:14 schestowitz-TR; kde neon isn't as great as I thought
16:14 schestowitz-TR; it's acting like some kind of rolling release
16:14 schestowitz-TR; which is maybe what it was
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16:15 schestowitz-TR; I will test it some more weeks
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16:15 schestowitz-TR; before giving a more complete 'review'
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16:15 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Matt/I-hope-it-doesnt-explode-any-time-soon.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/matt-i-hope-it-doesnt-explode-any-time-soon#comic )
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16:15 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
16:16 bnchs_; yeah i know
16:16 bnchs_; i said NULL because in a char its '\0'
16:19 psydruid; I tried KDE Neon when it was first released but it broke itself twice in short succession, so I tried Fedora and then shortly after that Debian
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16:38 bnchs; i like how anti-linux shills always point out that linux is "unusable"
16:38 bnchs; or "unstable"
16:39 bnchs; they fake stories about how linux is unusable
16:39 bnchs; and then refuse to offer any more information
16:39 bnchs; like system logs
16:42 bnchs; also strawmans
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17:15 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZMKcbC0rTs
17:15 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=IZMKcbC0rTs
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17:15 DaemonFC; The Toyota Corolla at 2:55 has a bad serpentine belt.
17:16 DaemonFC; The guy should get it replaced.
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17:17 DaemonFC; Any time that belt starts squaling, chirping, making any noise whatsoever, take it to a GOOD mechanic, have them inspect the entire drive shaft system for bad/misaligned pulleys and of course noise from any accessories it runs, to see if those need replaced, and even if nothing needs replaced, get yourself a new belt anyway.
17:17 DaemonFC; Because chances are there's something wrong with the belt even if the drive system is fine otherwise, and you don't want a belt to snap and leave you stranded somewhere.
17:19 DaemonFC; The Buick started chirping yesterday morning when it was wet out. It went away after I drove the car a few blocks. I was going to the shop anyway, had them inspect the drive shaft system and they didn't find anything wrong with those expensive accessories ar pulleys, so I said "Throw the 14 year old belt in the trash and we'll put a new belt on and see if it goes away.". This morning it was even muggier and more humid than yesterday. I started
17:19 DaemonFC; the car with the new belt. No noise at all.
17:19 DaemonFC; It was belt glazing on the old belt.
17:20 DaemonFC; THe rubber had started to break down with heat and age (more age than anything, because they're never supposed to be on there more than 10 year even if you don't have 100,000 miles on the belt yet).
17:21 DaemonFC; And when it gets wet, that section of the belt starts getting pulled over some of the pulleys and chirping at you, and if you don't take care of it, your car can even start doing odd things before it goes ahead and snaps.
17:22 DaemonFC; Because it's suppose to grip the drive shaft and accessories tightly and turn all of them, and when part of the belt is slipping, it's not running those accessories properly until a good section of the belt gets back over them and starts turning them again.
17:23 DaemonFC; The S-Belt is actually a huge improvement on modern cars and the latest one to use several belts in there was Toyota, I think.
17:23 DaemonFC; They're known for reliable cars, but there's like 5 belts in there, so when it's belt day, you have some expensive jobs to do.
17:25 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, So I need to get new TPMS sensors in the Buick.
17:26 DaemonFC; It was dinging at me when they sold it and it says "SERVICE TPMS SYSTEM" but it's not a huge deal, other than the annoyance and I can't just tell the computer "I don't want to spend any money on that. Shut up.".
17:26 DaemonFC; But I think I still got a good deal on the car.
17:27 DaemonFC; Carvana is so ridiculous on pricing that even though the cars seem to be okay as a general rule, and they probably fix it up well enough that it's not dinging at you right away, there's still no guarantees that it's had all of its recommended servicing.
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17:32 DaemonFC; If they want you to pay $11,000 for a car similar to the one I got for $7,950, you're going to be really hot under the collar if they drop something off that's got a few issues and you're right back into the shop getting those nailed down.
17:34 DaemonFC; Right off the bat, I needed a new remote control, a second key, a bunch of service work, a battery. I mean so that's another $1,700 worth of stuff, right? But Carvana drops off a mystery car that costa $11,000 and you might still need to do some of this stuff anyway.
17:36 DaemonFC; I'd much rather just buy a car with some quirks for $3,050 less, skip the extra $500 in taxes for having bought it from a dealer that my state would have charged me, and go through some things with a mechanic where it won't cost me half that difference and I get credit card points and coupons along the way.
17:37 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> like "truth social"
17:37 DaemonFC; That flopped big time.
17:38 DaemonFC; The problem conservatives at having with their social media is that aside from the Cancel Mob coming after them and forcing them to use their own infrastructure, like software and hosting, there's too many conservative social media sites and it waters down the experience.
17:38 DaemonFC; If Gab, TRUTH, and Parler were all like, one thing, and everyone went there, it would do pretty well by user count.
17:40 DaemonFC; Back to used cars, the used car market is nuts right now, and you can end up paying as much as I did, or more, for a total piece of crap.
17:40 DaemonFC; When I was shoppping around I noticed something.
17:40 DaemonFC; $6,000 tends to get you a total rustbucket now, especially at a dealership.
17:41 DaemonFC; That's $6,000. When I was a young man you could buy a late model car in decent shape anywhere you wanted to and it was like $2,000 if that.
17:41 DaemonFC; And for $2,000 you expected no rust, low miles, nothing huge wrong with it.
17:41 DaemonFC; Because when the other guy bought his new car, he got something totally decent for $20,000.
17:42 DaemonFC; So if a nice new car is $20,000, you get to sell your used one for $2,000, but when the government starts fucking with the car market and a new car is $60,000-$70,000 out the door, a decent used one won't start at less than $7,000 or so.
17:43 DaemonFC; The government crushed a lot of cars like mine in Cash 4 Clunkers in 2009. They ruined a bunch of really good late model American cars and people bought this battery shit from Asia and it's all broken down by now, and the American cars that survived the program can still run fine if they haven't been abused.
17:44 DaemonFC; And the program only brought up the average MPG for the US fleet by 1.2 MPG.
17:44 DaemonFC; And they destroyed millions of cars that had already been built and all the energy and GHG emissions that had been used to build them were now wasted so they could build another car.
17:44 bnchs; they locked the #fsf channel
17:44 bnchs; god dang it
17:44 bnchs; now i need to be registered
17:44 bnchs; i'm pretty sure the trolls triggered them too much
17:45 DaemonFC; On LIBERAL Chat?
17:45 bnchs; yes
17:45 bnchs; 4chan trolls ruin everything
17:46 DaemonFC; I'm going back to the shop on Wednesday.
17:46 psymin; Which android ebook reader is the most free? :)
17:47 DaemonFC; They've got some engine and transmission rebuilds ahead of me. That's fine. A TPMS light is minor stuff.
17:48 bnchs; psymin: librera pro
17:50 psymin; bnchs, this? https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.foobnix.pro.pdf.reader/
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17:50 TR Bot; Librera Reader | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
17:50 bnchs; yeah
17:54 schestowitz-TR; I've installed obs studio
17:54 psymin; bnchs, "The best way to fully appreciate Librera Reader, however, is to use our restriction-free Librera PRO version from Google Play"
17:54 schestowitz-TR; wish I did that in 2020 already
17:54 bnchs; psymin: fdroid's version is librera pro
17:55 bnchs; probably compiled off their source code
17:55 psymin; odd, that quote is from the fdroid page
17:55 DaemonFC; I was out in the Buick this morning and that transmission is shifting like a dream.
17:55 bnchs; and besides already has no restrictions
17:55 DaemonFC; Can't even feel it shifting.
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18:17 TR News; OBS Studio on KDE neon | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/obs-studio-on-kde-neon/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/14/obs-studio-on-kde-neon/
18:17 TR Bot; OBS Studio on KDE neon | Techrights
18:22 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163720
18:22 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
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18:35 bnchs__; libera chat netsplited
18:35 bnchs__; most of the channels are now 0-20 users
18:36 psydroid2; isn't #fsf more like an echo chamber of people who pat themselves on the back a bit too much while doing absolutely nothing fundamental to further free software?
18:37 bnchs__; well they have forced registeration
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18:37 bnchs__; because of the trolls from yesterday's RMS talk
18:38 psydroid2; I mean in general
18:38 MinceR; well, i could say things in #fsf (and rarely i do) but they get ignored anyway
18:38 psydroid2; I've never seen anything there that makes me go "that's insightful"
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18:43 TR News; After several days of firefighting against one technical disaster or another we're back to normal; this coming weekend we intend to tackle a lot of misleading journalism and outright fake news (issued to spread lies, by intention) http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/epo-propaganda-and-lawlessness/
18:43 TR Bot; Tackling EPO Propaganda and Lawlessness: Part 1 | Techrights
18:43 TR News; EPO management found the courage or the audacity rather to pretend to be a benevolent force for peace and justice when in reality its a malignant cancer full of corruption and prevalent, unrelenting law-breaking http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/european-putin-office/
18:43 TR Bot; [Meme] Kangaroos in Ukraine | Techrights
18:43 TR News; The EPO has spurned science and has chosen politics as a smokescreen instead, mostly as a cover for the operations being designed to promote the interests of multinational monopolists and their patent litigation representatives http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/spurning-science/
18:43 TR Bot; Tackling EPO Propaganda and Lawlessness: Part 2 | Techrights
18:44 TR News; Were going to try more advanced video recording software that does more things at once and does not result in a dire need for editing (as that would be extremely time-consuming) http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/obs-studio-on-kde-neon/
18:52 TR News; Yes, the Steam Deck will eventually get Ray Tracing, once the AMD GPU driver matures | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/yes-the-steam-deck-will-eventually-get-ray-tracing-once-the-amd-gpu-driver-matures/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
18:52 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/yes-the-steam-deck-will-eventually-get-ray-tracing-once-the-amd-gpu-driver-matures/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/yes-the-steam-deck-will-eventually-get-ray-tracing-once-the-amd-gpu-driver-matures/
18:52 TR Bot; the Steam Deck will eventually get Ray Tracing, once the AMD GPU driver matures | GamingOnLinux
18:52 TR News; "Soldat 2 entered Early Access in September 2020 but it seems it didn't quite hit the marks players wanted, and failed to find much of an audience. Transhuman Design never gave up on it, and as it turned out they were hard at work to overhaul everything. This huge revamp is out now!" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/soldat-2-gets-completely-overhauled-in-a-new-update-out-now/
↺ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/soldat-2-gets-completely-overhauled-in-a-new-update-out-now/
18:52 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/soldat-2-gets-completely-overhauled-in-a-new-update-out-now/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/soldat-2-gets-completely-overhauled-in-a-new-update-out-now/
18:52 TR Bot; 2 gets completely overhauled in a new update out now | GamingOnLinux
18:53 TR News; Play Worms 2 on Linux with the Worms 2 Plus patch | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/play-worms-2-on-linux-with-the-worms-2-plus-patch/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
18:53 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/play-worms-2-on-linux-with-the-worms-2-plus-patch/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/play-worms-2-on-linux-with-the-worms-2-plus-patch/
18:53 TR Bot; Worms 2 on Linux with the Worms 2 Plus patch | GamingOnLinux
18:54 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/BkFGItp.jpeg
18:54 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/BkFGItp.jpeg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://i.imgur.com/BkFGItp.jpeg
19:09 TR News; "SUSE has a skunkworks distro in development, the transition Debian is struggling with, and some long-awaited improvements to Raspberry Pi OS." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148212/linux-action-news-236/
19:09 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148212/linux-action-news-236/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148212/linux-action-news-236/
19:09 TR Bot; Linux Action News 236 | Jupiter Broadcasting
19:11 TR News; Why I don't use Squarespace or WordPress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C-DXeqUTgA "There are better options, but let's review where these common solutions fall short and what I do to fix them."
19:11 TR Bot; https://y.com.sb/watch?v=5C-DXeqUTgA
19:11 TR Bot; y.com.sb | Why I don't use Squarespace or WordPress - Invidious
19:11 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Kubuntu 22.04 LTS and some of the applications pre-installed." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZNP11k3kcY
19:11 TR Bot; https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=-ZNP11k3kcY
19:11 TR Bot; invidious.snopyta.org | Kubuntu 22.04 LTS overview | making your PC friendly - Invidious
19:12 TR News; Proprietary software (so media won't mention this): "CVSS v3 9.6" (almost 10/10 in severity) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-104-03
19:12 TR Bot; Red Lion DA50N | CISA
19:14 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/04/industrial-control-system-malware-discovered.html
19:14 TR Bot; Control System Malware Discovered - Schneier on Security
19:18 TR News; Links 2.26 Minimal Web Browser Brings DNS Over HTTPS and WebP Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163721
19:18 TR Bot; Links 2.26 Minimal Web Browser Brings DNS Over HTTPS and WebP Support | Tux Machines
19:19 SomeH4x0r; isn't DNS Over HTTPS a DNS client feature, not web browser?
19:21 TR News; 12 Best Vim Plugins To Install In Your Terminal (2022) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163722
19:21 TR Bot; 12 Best Vim Plugins To Install In Your Terminal (2022) | Tux Machines
19:22 TR News; Project Zero: CVE-2021-1782, an iOS in-the-wild vulnerability in vouchers https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/04/cve-2021-1782-ios-in-wild-vulnerability.html Source: gulag project zero
19:22 TR Bot; Project Zero: CVE-2021-1782, an iOS in-the-wild vulnerability in vouchers
19:22 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: the borwsers are spyware
19:22 schestowitz-TR; I would not trust them
19:24 TR News; Best 12 Xfce Themes Collection For Linux Distros To Try in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163723
19:24 TR Bot; Best 12 Xfce Themes Collection For Linux Distros To Try in 2022 | Tux Machines
19:25 SomeH4x0r; wdym "to try in YEAR"?
19:25 SomeH4x0r; does it matter what year it is to choose themes?
19:25 schestowitz-TR; updates list
19:26 schestowitz-TR; maybe because some people search by year
19:26 schestowitz-TR; they don't want to get a page about best distros 12 years ago
19:26 SomeH4x0r; best as in what? Taken over by corporations the most?
19:27 SomeH4x0r; nonsensical updates wasting resources
19:28 TR News; Wait till they find out GNU/Linux distros are technically miles ahead of all versions of Windows Vista, including "11" https://www.maketecheasier.com/more-users-windows-xp-than-windows-11/
19:28 TR Bot; More Users Sticking with Windows XP than Upgrading to Windows 11 - Make Tech Easier
19:28 SomeH4x0r; we had less powerful PCs years ago and yet all stuff was functional
19:28 bnchs__; more userssticking with windows XP
19:28 bnchs__; now tell me whats the difference
19:28 SomeH4x0r; higher level of resource abuse
19:28 bnchs__; 1. an abandoned, shit version of a OS
19:28 bnchs__; 2. more spyware version in a OS
19:29 TR News; It is widely accepted by now that Vista 11 is a failure
19:29 SomeH4x0r; why is it "shit"?
19:29 bnchs__; all versions of windows is shit
19:30 bnchs__; but what i was saying, is that it doesn't matter if you "stick" with windows XP
19:30 bnchs__; microsoft can and will backport their spyware
19:30 SomeH4x0r; afaik it has just a few updates
19:31 SomeH4x0r; though it was de facto supported until 2019, so idk
19:31 bnchs__; maybe i got a good plan for microsoft
19:31 bnchs__; 1) wait until some big security vulnerability comes out
19:31 bnchs__; 2) all windows users are affected
19:31 TR News; Mesa VERSION: bump to 22.2-devel for next cycle https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6a83d94e626bd439bc549326ebbe9f25ca33a19c
19:31 bnchs__; 3) release update for currently "supported" windows versions
19:31 TR Bot; mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
19:31 bnchs__; 4) release update for the "unsupported" versions aswell
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19:32 bnchs__; 5) the update has spyware backdoors
19:38 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163724
19:38 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
19:38 TR News; Games: Steam Deck, Screeps: Arena, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163725
19:38 TR Bot; Games: Steam Deck, Screeps: Arena, and More | Tux Machines
19:39 TR News; Experiments in digital oppression, disguised as companies (often subsidised at taxpayers' expense to believe the taxpayers) https://thehill.com/policy/3266930-hillicon-valley-groups-push-tech-to-step-up-on-crises/
19:39 TR Bot; Hillicon Valley Groups push tech to step up on crises | The Hill
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19:40 TR News; Microsoft is repeatedly being bailed out, both by Trump and Biden http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
19:40 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
19:41 TR News; Facebooks Ukraine-Russia Moderation Double Standard https://theintercept.com/2022/04/13/facebook-ukraine-russia-moderation-double-standard/ Source: theintercept | omidyar pac
19:41 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: theintercept.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://theintercept.com/2022/04/13/facebook-ukraine-russia-moderation-double-standard/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://theintercept.com/2022/04/13/facebook-ukraine-russia-moderation-double-standard/
19:41 TR Bot; Facebooks Ukraine-Russia Moderation Double Standard
19:41 TR News; April 14, 2022: Cyberattacks on Ukraine continue https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ Ukrainian public now paying the FULL price for Windows (Microsoft)
19:41 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
19:41 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now
19:44 TR News; "At first glance, the title of this article may sound like an oxymoron. However, what it highlights is the introduction of a rather useful feature that will enable a far more robust and elegant handling of the /dev/shm implementation inside the snap sandbox." https://ubuntu.com//blog/private-shared-memory-support-for-snaps
19:44 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/private-shared-memory-support-for-snaps https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntu.com//blog/private-shared-memory-support-for-snaps
19:44 TR Bot; shared memory support for snaps | Ubuntu
19:45 TR News; Canonical told the community of Ubuntu, "go to Hell." Now it's with Dell... and Microsoft https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-at-dell-technologies-world-2022
19:45 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-at-dell-technologies-world-2022 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-at-dell-technologies-world-2022
19:45 TR Bot; at Dell Technologies World 2022 | Ubuntu
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19:48 TR News; Ostentatio Genitalium in Renaissance Art The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/ostentatio-genitalium/ "stentatio genitalium (the display of the genitals) refers to disparate traditions in Renaissance visual culture of attributing formal, thematic, and theological significance to the penis of Jesus."
19:48 TR Bot; *Ostentatio Genitalium* in Renaissance Art The Public Domain Review
19:49 TR News; My ninth year working at Mozilla https://alxgbsn.co.uk/2022/04/14/my-ninth-year-working-at-mozilla/ Source: alxgbsn
19:49 TR Bot; My ninth year working at Mozilla Alex Gibson
19:50 TR News; "Were pleased to announce that we have partnered with the Center for Humane Technology, a nonprofit organization that radically reimagines the digital infrastructure." https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/04/mozilla-partners-with-the-center-for-humane-technology/ WTH, Mozilla?
19:50 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/04/mozilla-partners-with-the-center-for-humane-technology/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/04/mozilla-partners-with-the-center-for-humane-technology/
19:50 TR Bot; Mozilla partners with the Center for Humane Technology - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog
19:52 TR News; While Mozilla pretends to be an ethical company it spies on Firefox users, outsources the work to proprietary Microsoft jail https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2022/04/13/this-week-in-glean-what-flips-your-bit/
19:52 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2022/04/13/this-week-in-glean-what-flips-your-bit/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2022/04/13/this-week-in-glean-what-flips-your-bit/
19:52 TR Bot; This Week in Glean: What Flips Your Bit? Data@Mozilla
19:52 TR News; KDE neon 20220414 is out. I installed it today. https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kdeneon
19:52 TR Bot; KDE neon
19:55 TR News; Proprietary software: "Under certain circumstances the session token is not cleared upon log out." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-104-02
19:55 TR Bot; Johnson Controls Metasys | CISA
19:57 TR News; VMware proprietary shit will kill your business https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/14/cisa-adds-one-known-exploited-vulnerability-catalog see http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware#2022
19:57 TR Bot; CISA Adds One Known Exploited Vulnerability to Catalog | CISA
19:57 TR Bot; VMware - Techrights
19:57 TR News; Mozilla Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163726
19:57 TR Bot; Mozilla Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:59 TR News; "This year I've decided to bite the bullet and properly try out hledger for personal accounting. It seems I need to commit to it properly if I'm to figure out whether it will work for me or not." https://jmtd.net/log/hledger/
19:59 TR Bot; jmtd log hledger
19:59 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163727
19:59 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:03 TR News; Top 10 Best GTK Themes For Ubuntu Linux (2022 Collection) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163728
20:03 TR Bot; Top 10 Best GTK Themes For Ubuntu Linux (2022 Collection) | Tux Machines
20:04 TR News; 15 Practical Examples of Rsync Command in Linux https://www.ubuntupit.com/practical-examples-of-rsync-command-in-linux/ Source: UbuntuPIT | GNU | Linux
20:04 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: ubuntupit.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ubuntupit.com/practical-examples-of-rsync-command-in-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.ubuntupit.com/practical-examples-of-rsync-command-in-linux/
20:04 TR Bot; 15 Practical Examples of Rsync Command in Linux
20:06 TR News; Reputation laundering of Zemlin et al, unrelated to Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163648#comment-33346
20:06 TR Bot; Today's Linux Foundation Fluff | Tux Machines
20:10 TR News; Bitstream Vera Must Die https://dkg.fifthhorseman.net/bitstream-vera-must-die.html
20:10 TR Bot; Bitstream Vera must die!
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20:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 57.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 403.71
20:12 TR News; A lot better than some other sponsors https://reproducible-builds.org/news/2022/04/14/supporter-spotlight-ardc/ see http://techrights.org/2021/04/29/with-sponsors-like-these/
20:12 TR Bot; spotlight: Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) reproducible-builds.org
20:12 TR Bot; With Sponsors Like These | Techrights
20:13 TR News; Outsourcing very private things to Gulag is a bad idea, always. http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?p=1665
20:13 TR Bot; Draft emails from Google Docs
20:14 TR News; "Spam is just annoying, but phishing and especially, spear phishing attacks can also be dangerous. A recent security training, and a Twitter thread I started about it, changed my mind completely about how I treat these harmful e-mails." https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/phishing-and-spear-phishing/
20:14 TR Bot; Phishing and spear phishing: report everything! | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik
20:15 TR News; This biofloc monitoring system is an innovative device to help with aquaculture | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/13/this-biofloc-monitoring-system-is-an-innovative-device-to-help-with-aquaculture/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
20:15 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/13/this-biofloc-monitoring-system-is-an-innovative-device-to-help-with-aquaculture/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/13/this-biofloc-monitoring-system-is-an-innovative-device-to-help-with-aquaculture/
20:15 TR Bot; This biofloc monitoring system is an innovative device to help with aquaculture | Arduino Blog
20:20 TR News; "Cisco has released security updates to address vulnerabilities in multiple Cisco products. An attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/14/cisco-releases-security-updates-multiple-products
20:20 TR Bot; Cisco Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA
20:21 TR News; "Tools provided with Kubernetes continually make it easier for Java developers to build applications, store them in registries, and deploy images." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/04/14/generate-helm-charts-your-java-application-using-jkube-part-1
20:21 TR Bot; Generate Helm charts for your Java application using JKube, Part 1 | Red Hat Developer
20:24 schestowitz; wth did lxer put this in the front page for? https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/13/vs_2022_mac/
20:24 -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/13/vs_2022_mac/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/13/vs_2022_mac/
20:24 TR Bot; Preview 9 of Visual Studio for Mac is out as GA approaches The Register
20:25 TR News; Software patents article in OSI site... by Simon Phipps, for a change https://opensource.org/lets-get-open-source-voices-heard-by-the-eu-on-standards-essential-patents
20:25 TR Bot; Lets get open source voices heard by the EU on standards essential patents | Open Source Initiative | Guaranteeing the 'our' in source...
20:26 TR News; Videos: Kubuntu 22.04 LTS and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163729
20:26 TR Bot; Videos: Kubuntu 22.04 LTS and More | Tux Machines
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20:40 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/fried-children.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/10/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-mix-chinese-western-foods/ )
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20:40 TR Bot; This is why you shouldnt mix Chinese & Western foods
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 58.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 418.71
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21:14 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/saddam-hussein-spaghetti.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/10/the-mother-of-all-lunches/ )
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21:14 TR Bot; The Mother of all Lunches
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21:23 leah; schestowitz: today's item is: potato and leek soup
21:23 matey; psydroid2 I've never seen anything there that makes me go "that's insightful"
21:23 SomeH4x0r; hi
21:23 leah; always a different, random item every day
21:23 matey; mmmmmm potatoes
21:23 matey; hi someh4x0r
21:24 leah; 0.10 for "potato and leak soup kit", serves 4. potatoes and leaks, pre-chopped. expires tonight. cook it and it lasts an extra day
21:24 leah; can pad it with rice and lentils to make it last longer
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21:24 matey; psydroid2 psydroid etc: its worse than that. not only is it a circlejerk responsible for very little
21:25 leah; schestowitz: seriously, why does anyone pay for anything?
21:25 matey; you wont find anyone in there saying much of interest, because a happy little mob would gently nudge them towards the door
21:25 matey; then, when everyone with an actual idea has left, they say, as always
21:25 matey; JOIN US AND HELP US FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM!
21:25 matey; how about no? how about, GO JOIN YOURSELF AND STICK IT UP YOUR BUM!
21:25 matey; (just saying)
21:26 matey; to be fair, rms said rougly the opposite yesterday. but the damage has already been done.
21:26 matey; he said give us ideas so we can put them on the help page
21:26 matey; its a bit late for that, the culture has ossified (osi-fied?)
21:26 psydroid2; it seems to be a social circle, not a technical circle anymore
21:27 matey; its a mildly (unintentionally) elitist social circle
21:27 matey; and theres nothing wrong with being technical. you and leah are BOTH more technical than i am
21:27 matey; but neither are elitist.
21:28 matey; its not just about you, you, you. and the people in #fsf dont mean it to be. but they just dont get it.
21:28 matey; they dont mean it to be a tight little club. they literally cant help it. they would probably love to, if they had any idea how.
21:28 matey; why cant they figure it out? they cant seem to reverse engineer a driver for their ears.
21:28 matey; pity
21:29 matey; even rms has demonstrated this problem (dramatically so) with regards to hardware
21:29 matey; that alone is a huge problem, for reasons you and leah both can explain
21:29 matey; but also an example of a larger (hearing) problem that rms passes down to his acolytes
21:30 matey; and this was sustainable for a few decades, and has now collapsed
21:30 matey; leaving any and all who truly care about such a legacy going forward to pick up and do with it what they will
21:31 matey; it wasnt my first choice. my first (second, third) choice was for more of the "foundation" to stay intact
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21:31 matey; but it couldnt, i suppose
21:32 matey; i heard from a (libertarian) friend of mine today, named sage, who i told about the rms talk
21:32 matey; not THAT sage, of course
21:32 matey; she said bummer, but if its worth doing it will go on (with people doing as they see fit)
21:33 matey; rms (like others) made one concession to "open source" in his talk yesterday
21:34 matey; open source razed the temple and looted its contents, and murdered the high priest
21:34 matey; rms is truly beaten
21:35 matey; i listened to the talk three times yesterday. i told the chief gnewsance it was meant as a state of the union, but read more like articles of surrender
21:36 matey; i know it wasnt intended that way. which makes it all that much sadder
21:37 psydroid2; everything has a beginning and an end
21:37 psydroid2; and then a new cycle starts
21:37 matey; <psydroid2> and then a new cycle starts <- you took my response, but its alright
21:39 matey; i will be one of the people who always sees rms as the founder of all this
21:39 matey; however, even with that
21:39 matey; ill give credit to those who pushed just as notably early on
21:39 matey; like gilmore
21:40 matey; lessig stole stallmans ideas, proudly, and was never shy to admit it
21:40 matey; i adore him
21:40 matey; lessig is the shit
21:40 matey; pity cc is even farther from its founder than the fsf is from its own
21:41 matey; stallman stole his ideas too. though im not sure he did so deliberately, it certainly wasnt from open source, and i doubt he realises how far from original his idea really was
21:42 matey; kingoffrance would probably argue that no idea is original, and i would agree
21:42 matey; only sins are original, and even then very very few of them :)
21:43 matey; (im mostly thinking of the vatican rag, one of of the funniest and silliest songs ive ever heard)
21:45 matey; i dont like torvalds. i really dislike him. hes a schmuck.
21:46 matey; however, i still think hes better than gkh and i think if he hadnt been cancelled he would have chosen a better successor (and that was the point)
21:46 matey; rms too has lost the opportunity to find a successor. he will support whoever they put in front of them, having little real choice or power.
21:47 matey; and he will hope for the best. as if thats all any of us can do. and we will be asked to join him in that.
21:47 matey; but just as lessig says the point of elections is to choose from a very small pool of people already selected by primaries controlled by money
21:48 matey; the fsf will move into place people not worth our time as stallmans successor
21:48 matey; and it will be painfully obvious, but we will still be expected to give our support.
21:48 matey; at that point it will be good to remember that the fsf has no real authority
21:49 matey; it had cultural relevance, and it will still have historical relevance, and (imo) it betrayed us all several times
21:49 matey; mostly by capitulating to its own enemies-- and then asking us to join it in doing so
21:49 matey; but, fuck that.
21:50 matey; it wouldnt be anything remotely like the first progressive institution to make such a fatal mistake, and become irrelevant as a result
21:50 matey; nor does progress end with the end of such institutions
21:50 matey; nor do fake things like open source preclude the possibility of non-cynical alternatives
21:51 psydroid2; you have to be willing to make yourself obsolete
21:51 matey; just because open source is fake doesnt mean every alternative will be
21:51 psydroid2; as an individual or as an organisation
21:51 matey; imagine if the wright brothers had tried to control the apollo mission
21:52 matey; "no no, no, you need balsa flaps to make sure the rocket can steer towards its course!"
21:52 matey; well i mean, with that level of thrust balsa flaps are probably fucking useless (though im not a rocket scientist)
21:52 matey; (neither are the wright brothers)
21:53 matey; imagine if einstein had told hawking to go fuck himself, or if we had left relativity up to newton
21:53 matey; these are all very important people we owe swaths of scientific progress to
21:53 matey; none are small or unimportant
21:54 matey; but free software in its present state cant sustain (or even defend) itself
21:54 matey; it has failed
21:54 matey; and it must go on somehow
21:54 matey; trying to stand up to the war on general computing, with the tools the fsf has available
21:55 matey; is like trying to figure out quantum mechanics with newtons laws of motion
21:55 matey; we must have new strategies-- they wont be entirely unlike the old strategies
21:56 matey; but just like you cant put an ancient copy of apache up and then secure it with old versions of security tools
21:56 matey; we need bigger upgrades than the fsf can organise
21:56 matey; or is willing to organise
21:57 matey; and im not arguing for bloat-- im saying that the fsf is a bloated poorly maintained mess
21:57 matey; dont fix whats not broken
21:57 matey; but fix whatever has failed
22:04 psydroid2; scientific development always goes on after branching out in several directions
22:04 matey; it has to explore new possibilities
22:05 matey; many of which will prove to be dead ends-- but without exploring, youre already at a dead end
22:07 matey; the fsfs approach was nearly confucianist in its nature
22:07 matey; we have thousands of years of experience with the limitations of such an approach
22:08 matey; but we actually hit the limit a few years ago
22:09 matey; im not saying it couldnt have gone on longer, it was certainly attacked
22:09 matey; but it didnt stand up to it, as much as they put a brave face on everything-- no one is fooled
22:09 matey; theyre standing on their own ruins
22:10 matey; they refuse to learn from the experience, except to capitulate further, which they were already doing when the attacks started
22:11 matey; we learn. we apply. they insist. we ignore.
22:11 matey; we have already parted ways with them.
22:13 matey; newtons inertia still applies. it drags the divorce out.
22:14 matey; we divide up all our things-- thousands of them. the difference from a traditional divorce being that copies are as good as the originals, but we still have to decide what to take with us.
22:15 matey; it will be a vaugely similar process if mankind ever makes it out of the solar system
22:16 matey; this planet wont sustain us forever even if we learn to stop destroying it
22:16 matey; but if we make it that far, we will leave the solar nest
22:17 matey; and the sun will explode
22:17 matey; and they wont elect a new one
22:22 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/blowing-to-fuck.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/11/hair-so-good-youll-be-saying-wtf/ )
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22:22 TR Bot; Hair so good youll be saying WTF!
22:23 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oOm_2dGzqp0
22:23 TR Bot; Shaka Zulu vs Julius Caesar. Epic Rap Battles of History - Invidious
22:23 matey; caesar will fall
22:24 matey; but not to shaka zulu
22:24 MinceR; dundee will fall
22:28 matey; <MinceR> dundee will fall https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KDjfLpbfR4o
22:28 TR Bot; GLORYHAMMER - The Land of Unicorns (Official Lyric Video) | Napalm Records - Invidious
22:28 MinceR; indeed
22:28 matey; thanks, i wasnt expecting heavy metal unicorns
22:29 MinceR; :)
22:30 matey; if jack black ever makes a sequel to school of rock this needs to be in it
22:30 MinceR; :>
22:34 matey; the points on the corners of the font are too much
22:34 matey; im never going to look at the metallica logo the same way ever again
22:34 matey; "why are the letters like that?"
22:35 matey; "those are unicorn horns"
22:35 matey; "oh"
22:35 matey; "wait, what?"
22:37 matey; "On 22 August 2021, Gloryhammer announced that Thomas Winkler had exited the band.[18] Winkler addressed the situation, stating he was fired via an email that cited the band's reasons for his departure as disagreements on business and organizational matters."
22:38 matey; it wasnt that. they just thought his name wasnt metal enough
22:38 matey; "oh cmon, what about the fonz? aaaaaaaaaaayy"
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22:52 MinceR; (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/k1f601h.mp4
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22:55 matey; (slightly less metal version) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=17o1OlroNSE
22:55 TR Bot; Space Unicorn - Parry Gripp and Brianne Drouhard - Invidious
22:56 matey; closer to the beatles when they still sang "yeah yeah yeah" in their lyrics
22:56 matey; not so metal
22:57 chunky; \m/ METAL AF \m/
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 53.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 331.70
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23:05 *psydruid saw Megadeth live in concert but not Metallica
23:05 matey; you made the right choice
23:05 matey; i wont lie, i was never really a megadeth fan
23:06 matey; but if i could go back and give a shit about them instead, that would be alright
23:06 matey; im not ashamed that i liked metallica. i dont think they actually sucked back then
23:06 matey; by the time i was in high school though, i could only laugh and shake my head
23:08 matey; the first two cds i bought were weird al and metallicas selftitled (deny) album
23:08 psydruid; I don't have any of Megadeth's albums and I do have the older Metallica albums, but I don't really know what they're about anymore these days
23:08 matey; i honestly think rock sort of died in the past 15 years or so
23:09 matey; the last time i heard a rock band that actually sounded like a rock band, it was anvil (dave grohl was saying how great they were. he was also really smashed)
23:10 matey; gloryhammer is more recent, they sound fun at least but when i was listening i was like "shit, i hope theyre not white supremacists"
23:10 matey; probably not, if mincer was referencing them
23:10 matey; but like thats where we are with rock music sort of...
23:10 matey; to be fair i REALLY havent been paying attention, im happy if im wrong
23:10 matey; still if i hear anything metal i have no idea what im listening to
23:11 matey; i still look like a MIGHT play a bass though
23:11 matey; or sell organic smoothies, one of the two.
23:14 psydruid; I sort of grew up with rock and metal, but as you said it doesn't seem to really be in vogue anymore
23:14 matey; and i dont care whats in, i still like some of the stuff i liked as a little kid
23:14 matey; beatles, lennon, phil collins, huey lewis
23:15 matey; and i like a lot of electronica
23:15 matey; with rock i think its either sincere or its bullshit
23:15 matey; and i think most rock is... i dont know what the fuck it is
23:16 matey; it went through a really bad patch for a while and i havent picked it back up
23:16 psydruid; I listen to all kinds of things these days, as long as I believe it's good music
23:16 matey; i blame california.
23:16 matey; yeah good music is good music
23:16 matey; i fucking hate country, its my least favourite genre 10 times over
23:16 matey; even there there are exceptions
23:16 matey; i like klezmer, i wasnt expecting that
23:17 matey; but i had a friend who played accordion for a klezmer band
23:17 matey; what can i tell you
23:17 psydruid; I got some klezmer music from Poland when I was living there
23:18 psydruid; I haven't listened to a lot of it, though
23:18 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QOrrNM4md8c yes, roundabout
23:18 TR Bot; Yes - Roundabout (Original 1971) - Invidious
23:19 MinceR; rocktronica
23:19 matey; theres a klezmer version of "talk dirty to me" but i like the original better
23:19 *XRevan86 will take this time to listen to Yes Roundabout for no reason whatsoever.
23:19 matey; its time well spent
23:20 matey; i love bobby mcferrin and reggie watts
23:20 psydruid; I used to listen to quite a bit of electronic music but these days mostly for nostalgic reasons
23:20 XRevan86; matey: I absolutely love it.
23:20 psydruid; rocktronica is cool
23:21 psydruid; oh, yes
23:21 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=344OpaQCAQI
23:21 TR Bot; Reggie Watts (Key & Peele outro song) 'I Just Want To' (2009) - Invidious
23:21 matey; XRevan86: yes is fucking epic
23:21 XRevan86; It's the part of my music tastes where people say "the heck is this?"
23:21 psydruid; always heard that name but never really listened to them
23:22 matey; i grew up on british music and "oldies" but not in the uk
23:22 matey; the first solo artist i liked was phil collins
23:22 XRevan86; Italian music here.
23:23 matey; my favourite song this week is some random accordion song played on a bus by some middle aged man in belarus
23:23 matey; if its not that good i wouldnt be able to tell you, im no expert
23:23 psydruid; Indian music here and rock, metal and electronica mostly from the 90s
23:24 psydruid; so I don't really know much from the 70s and before
23:24 matey; i still love counting crows-- though when i teased dfc about finding it in his buicks cd player i was teasing
23:24 matey; 90s music had fucking depth
23:25 matey; even the pop music (sometimes)
23:25 psydruid; that's a good band, I have some of their albums
23:25 matey; there was a lot of shit too. i still like aqua :)
23:25 psydruid; from the 90s, yes
23:25 psydruid; oh :)
23:25 matey; i have no pride-- i was a debbie gibson fan.
23:26 matey; she cant be all bad, she loves billy joel.
23:27 matey; of course no one says anything after that
23:28 matey; "the swastika tattoo was one thing, but debbie gibson?" (i made up the tattoo part)
23:29 matey; theres a true story, from trent reznor, that sometimes to get pumped up before going on stage he would listen to cece peniston
23:29 matey; i remember her. its fucking hilarious.
23:29 matey; hes too much
23:31 psydruid; haha
23:31 psydruid; I know he had something with tori amos
23:33 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=g4ouPGGLI6Q
23:33 TR Bot; Focus - Hocus Pocus Live '73 - Invidious
23:35 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22040310
23:35 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/dd5lwn785wp81.jpg created on 2022-04-03 06:05:22.118991
23:38 matey; i have no idea how much coke you have to do to perform that song, but it cant be healthy
23:44 psydruid; Free as a bird => Freebird
23:53 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NSfOB8ANdWU
23:53 TR Bot; Gerry Rafferty - Right Down the Line - Invidious
23:56 matey; and of course https://yewtu.be/search?q=adrian+belew
23:56 TR Bot; adrian belew - Invidious
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