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00:00 schestowitz; "
00:00 schestowitz; FR : Actuellement en phase de test.
00:00 schestowitz; EN : Currently in testing.
00:00 schestowitz; RU :
00:00 schestowitz; "
00:01 XRevan86; A PeerTube instance.
00:01 *Broyal (~6d466451@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
00:02 schestowitz; 6 years ago https://video.chalec.org/w/q6Yk1M62dFTaJuSmHzt6GV
00:02 TR Bot; 20160416-R.M.Stallman-Choisy - Vido Chalec
00:03 DaemonFC; Yes, but to get the latency down there's a lot of features of AAC that get turned off.
00:03 DaemonFC; Like the bit reservoir.
00:03 DaemonFC; At least iirc.
00:04 *XRevan86 doesn't know.
00:04 DaemonFC; The bit reservoir requires looking into other frames to complete the data that goes over the part of the frame you're using.
00:04 DaemonFC; Opus doesn't really need to do this because the bitrate is arbitrary.
00:06 XRevan86; I'd imagine that Opus would be a better fit for high-quality sound than anything else.
00:07 XRevan86; For low-latency maybe not.
00:07 DaemonFC; https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/101.0/releasenotes/
00:07 TR Bot; Firefox 101.0, See All New Features, Updates and Fixes
00:07 TR News; Malcom X - Richard Stallman https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Myz2djRFnxE
00:07 TR Bot; Malcom X - Richard Stallman - Invidious
00:07 DaemonFC; Another "major version bump" with nothing important.
00:07 XRevan86; Still one version behind Chromium :)
00:07 XRevan86; They're almost exactly one version apart.
00:07 DaemonFC; One design goal of Opus was low algorithmic delay.
00:08 XRevan86; DaemonFC: But is it lower than SBC?
00:08 DaemonFC; I think under the worst case situation, it's about 6% of the algorithmic delay of MP3 and about 1/3rd of xHE-AAC.
00:08 Broyal; best codec is ogg
00:09 DaemonFC; It would probably be imperceptibly different as far as compared with SBC.
00:09 Broyal; its what pigs use
00:09 XRevan86; Broyal: OGG is not a codec at all, it's a container.
00:09 DaemonFC; Where you really start running into aggravating delay problems is around 80 ms.
00:09 XRevan86; Broyal: Opus is conventionally packed into OGG.
00:09 DaemonFC; So xHE-AAC, which allegedly competes with Opus, it's pushing into that boundary.
00:10 DaemonFC; And you walk into another patent mess.
00:10 DaemonFC; So there's really no reason to use it.
00:10 Broyal; x265 is best video codec
00:10 XRevan86; Broyal: Better than AV1?
00:11 XRevan86; "Opus is conventionally packed into OGG" <- Also into Matroska as .webm
00:11 DaemonFC; x265 is excruciatingly slow.
00:11 DaemonFC; Like, if you want to rip a Blu Ray and convert, you need to leave the computer going all night, and that's with a beefy video card helping out.
00:12 Broyal; i dont do rips :)
00:12 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Apparently AV1 is heavier to encode than HEVC.
00:13 Broyal; you leave the computer going all night
00:13 Broyal; who cares
00:13 XRevan86; But AV1 should be better overall.
00:14 XRevan86; Not only because it's royalty-free unlike H.265 :).
00:14 Broyal; use a cloud encoder
00:15 Broyal; upload it to yt and download it again as AV1
00:15 *XRevan86 shrugs at this helpful advice.
00:16 Broyal; doesnt yt rencodes your videos?
00:17 XRevan86; Obviously does.
00:17 Broyal; i was shooting in the dark
00:17 DaemonFC; Depends what you upload in.
00:18 DaemonFC; If you upload WebM to begin with, it does not re-encode unless someone wants to view it in Safari or something.
00:18 DaemonFC; I noticed that when I downloaded some videos that were obviously Opus to begin with.
00:18 DaemonFC; For the audio codec.
00:19 Broyal; https://onlinevideoconverter.com/ easy as 1234
00:19 TR Bot; Video Converter, Online Video Downloader, Screen Recorder - OnlineVideoConverter.com
00:19 XRevan86; What a useless discussion.
00:19 DaemonFC; YouTube to MP3 rippers are the worst.
00:19 DaemonFC; It can go from MP3 to Opus to MP3 again.
00:20 XRevan86; It's possible to get an .opus file with yt-dlp without any re-encoding whatsoever.
00:21 XRevan86; Directly, no manual ffmpeg use involved.
00:22 Broyal; e are now mobile compatible! Access our website using any Android device to convert videos and download directly to your mobile phone or tablet.
00:22 Broyal; no need to keep computer on all night
00:23 DaemonFC; ffmpeg is a mess
00:23 XRevan86; It is?
00:23 DaemonFC; Too many codecs that are redundant and half-finished.
00:24 schestowitz_TR2; so do't use them
00:25 Broyal; What video formats do you support? We support conversions to most of the available media formats out there, which include .mp3, .m4a, .aac, .flac, .ogg, .wav, .wma, .mp4, .avi, .mpg, .wmv, .mov, .flv and .m4v.
00:25 DaemonFC; They make "native codecs" and they aren't very good and they just get put in there and left.
00:25 DaemonFC; And then you have to use the official one anyway, which is a plug-in.
00:28 Broyal; there a bunch of online video convertersd
00:28 Broyal; you just need a sumb terminal to use them
00:30 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/funny-pictures-5-30-22-16.jpg
00:30 schestowitz_TR2; hi Broyal
00:31 Broyal; bro?
00:34 Broyal; anyone seen topgun remake?
00:36 TR News; Rare Interview With Richard Stallman (Uploaded Friday) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/04/richard-stallman-brazil/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/04/richard-stallman-brazil/
00:37 TR Bot; Rare Interview With Richard Stallman (Uploaded Friday) | Techrights
00:37 Broyal; is it the Richard Stallman saga say?
00:38 schestowitz_TR2; not sure what that means...
00:38 schestowitz_TR2; I was trying to find as video of his talk in paris
00:38 schestowitz_TR2; last night
00:38 schestowitz_TR2; seems they still work o it..
00:39 Broyal; are you making a series?
00:39 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, Speaking of Arnold, The Terminator is one of my favorite movies.
00:39 DaemonFC; Overall, I'm not a huge fan though, of him.
00:39 schestowitz_TR2; gn
00:39 Broyal; Richard Stallman talks 0102
00:40 DaemonFC; Terminator and T2 should really be considered one movie.
00:40 DaemonFC; The rest kind of suck. They keep starting things over or rehashing the same formula.
00:40 TR News; Snow Leopard a Day Day 251 gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D251.jpg
00:41 TR News; "I'm getting sick of my work. I don't think admin. work is right for me, so I guess I'll start looking for other things." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1654375222
00:42 Broyal; admin. work is the best you just sit back or work on your shit
00:42 TR News; "Quite ironically, my family immigrated to Israel when I was a baby, and Israel is a pretty racist country (even among Jews). The situation is worse in the periphery, where poverty, crime and lack of education meet educated "fresh meat" with a foreign accent." gemini://gemini.dimakrasner.com/my-name-is-dima.gmi
00:43 DaemonFC; MinceR, It's too bad that James Cameron and John Carpenter never got together and did anything.
00:44 TR News; Better Gemini Search Results with Kennedy and Gemipedia gemini://gemi.dev/gemlog/2022-06-04-better-search-results.gmi
00:44 DaemonFC; Carpenter had a lot of good ones too, like Escape From New York and The Thing.
00:44 TR News; Covid tests are impossible for older folks gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-06-04.covid-tests.gmi
00:45 Broyal; whats with this gemini links? are you trying to break the internet?
00:45 schestowitz_TR2; fixing it
00:45 schestowitz_TR2; get a gemini client
00:46 Broyal; never
00:46 schestowitz_TR2; https://gemini.circumlunar.space/software/
00:46 TR Bot; Gemini software
00:46 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2021/04/28/joining-gemini-space/
00:46 TR Bot; Joining Gemini Space and Reading Over Encrypted Connection Without Unnecessary Clutter | Techrights
00:47 Broyal; you like Gemini cause you cant encript your own site
00:48 schestowitz_TR2; techrights does https too
00:48 schestowitz_TR2; see you late
00:48 Broyal; so why it says here connection not secure?
00:51 *matey (~matey@tfn9zfd6gs4qu.irc) has joined #techrights
00:51 Broyal; bro
00:51 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PV3pe3ywnrY
00:51 TR Bot; Cookie Monsta - Me Want Cookie (dubstep) - Invidious
00:52 Broyal; dubstep you on crack?
00:52 matey; NO JUST COOOOOOOOOOOOOOKIE
00:53 matey; OM NOM NOM NOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
00:53 matey; RRMMRMRMRMR
00:54 matey; /me thinks its funny that someone would just like dubstep then all of a sudden stop liking it
00:54 matey; imo you either like it or you dont
00:54 matey; if you only like what people tell you to like, when they tell you to like it, then you dont really like anything
00:54 matey; youre just doing what youre told
00:54 matey; "like this"
00:54 matey; "okay!"
00:55 matey; /me goes to look for debbia gibson dubstep
00:55 matey; DEBSTEP
00:56 matey; maybe the worlds not ready for that
00:56 Broyal; who likes dubstep?
00:57 Broyal; only the FBI likes dubstep so they can tell the criminals aprt
00:58 matey; only the FBI likes dubstep <- okay so basically skillex is a federal agent then
00:58 matey; cool
00:58 Broyal; skillex is higher
00:58 Broyal; must be nsa cia hls
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 53.23
00:59 matey; maybe just illuminati
00:59 matey; skrilluminati
00:59 matey; skrilluminatix
00:59 Broyal; i recon you could fill up pages with acronyms
00:59 matey; FBCINSA
01:00 Broyal; who the fuck skillex?
01:00 matey; its facebook+fbi+cia+nsa all rolled into one
01:00 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/funny-pictures-6-3-22-12.jpg
01:00 matey; FBCINSATI
01:00 matey; facebook+fbi+cia+nsa+illuminati
01:00 Broyal; interpol mossad
01:00 Broyal; kgb
01:00 MinceR; fsb
01:00 MinceR; pla
01:00 matey; M-O-U-S-E
01:01 MinceR; K-I-S-S-I-N-G
01:01 matey; MICKEY MOUSE
01:01 matey; DONALD TRUMP!
01:01 matey; MICKEY MOUSE
01:01 matey; DONALD TRUMP!
01:01 matey; ah gagagagagagagaga
01:01 DaemonFC; LOL
01:02 matey; who is popeye the sailors favourite popeye artist?
01:02 matey; lady gagagagagagagagaga
01:02 MinceR; :>
01:03 matey; going for the dumbest joke ive ever told
01:03 matey; thats right up there
01:03 DaemonFC; Lister: "A great philosopher once said 'I am what I am." Rimmer: "That was Popeye the Sailor Man!"
01:03 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, Did you run into _any_ good speaker systems?
01:04 matey; i found a shitty remix of fallen angel but its still not dubstep
01:04 DaemonFC; I like the Bose so far. The bass can be a bit much. They recommend placing it 2 feet in front of a wall.
01:04 DaemonFC; If you can't do that, you can tell it to put the bass in "reduced" mode.
01:04 matey; before the internet went all mainstream, cult classics were classics BECAUSE they were shit
01:04 matey; people dont understand
01:05 matey; they were great, because they were terrible
01:05 matey; the worst they were, the better
01:05 matey; https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090190/
01:05 TR Bot; Toxic Avenger (1984) - IMDb
01:06 matey; PETER DINKLAGE
01:06 matey; that was so long ago, he probably didnt even know he was little yet
01:06 matey; he was still a kid
01:06 matey; unless he was even smaller
01:07 matey; elijah wood?
01:07 matey; he was alive?
01:07 matey; was he like 2?
01:07 matey; "after i got the part as oscar in ghostbusters ii"
01:07 matey; no that was 2 years later
01:10 matey; "A 98-pound nerd (Mark Torgl) from New Jersey lands in a vat of toxic waste and..."
01:10 matey; somehow can tell the difference?
01:13 matey; by comparison spiderman is just mr fancy pants
01:14 matey; "oh so yer raydeeoactiv? dats great!"
01:15 matey; "why6 dont ya climb up dis woool an kiss my ayss?"
01:16 Broyal; matey is a MS waiting to happend
01:16 DaemonFC; Probably the only person listening to Scissor Sisters on a Bose Wave.
01:16 matey; anyway
01:17 matey; in 1995 the supreme court determined that "de minimum" didnt apply to sampling
01:17 matey; it applies to everything except music
01:17 matey; funny that
01:17 matey; nothing to do with selling out to labels
01:17 matey; and where MERICA(tm) does wrong, the rest of the world tends to follow suit
01:17 matey; tony blair
01:18 DaemonFC; Tony B'Liar
01:18 matey; thats why techno-rights is so important
01:18 matey; we need the freedom to sample menudo
01:19 matey; and make them not suck
01:19 matey; with some great beats
01:20 Broyal; LOL
01:22 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TNHZBSnEwdk
01:22 TR Bot; Men at Work - Land down under (Dubstep Remix) - Invidious
01:24 matey; i never thought id say this but the one with avicii is worse
01:26 matey; s/minimum/minimus/
01:26 matey; i dont even know how i did that
01:28 DaemonFC; <matey> we need the freedom to sample menudo
01:28 DaemonFC; Walmart gave me some tripe and I gave it to someone else.
01:28 DaemonFC; I ordered corned beef and the computer substituted tripe.
01:28 DaemonFC; I got a refund but they still handed me the tripe.
01:29 matey; YES!!!!!
01:29 matey; the only thing that make dubstep better
01:29 matey; klezmer! https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Swn0onEfSn4
01:29 TR Bot; Klezmer Step - Bradley [Dubstep] - Invidious
01:30 matey; /me buys bigger speakers
01:30 MinceR; FLA and Mick Gordon both made dubstep-ish stuff that's great
01:30 matey; jokes aside ill look it up
01:31 matey; good music is good music, no matter wtf theyre doing
01:31 Broyal; anyone that likes dubstep should be outlawed
01:31 Broyal; dubstep is prison music
01:32 matey; if dubstep is prison music. whats
01:33 Broyal; that what they used in that iraq prison
01:33 DaemonFC; <Broyal> that what they used in that iraq prison
01:34 DaemonFC; They used the Cookie Monster song too.
01:34 Broyal; thats what i said
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01:36 MinceR; there's no accounting for taste
01:36 matey; zero
01:36 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XpbwfWQcRFQ
01:36 TR Bot; AZIS Mega MIX 2021 - Invidious
01:38 Broyal; this channel must be runed by the KKK
01:38 DaemonFC; https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-approved-tiktok-videos-wont-help-working-americans
01:38 TR Bot; Biden-Approved TikTok Videos Wont Help Working Americans
01:38 DaemonFC; "Even the TikTokers know the Biden administration thinks theyre stupid."
01:38 DaemonFC; LOL
01:38 matey; yes, roy is the grand high master
01:39 matey; sorry! grand high main
01:39 matey; manchester chapter
01:41 matey; the kheap keyboard klan
01:42 DaemonFC; "Psaki is often flippant when asked about problems plaguing Americans, once joking about the supply-chain tragedy of a treadmill delayed. Not exactly I feel your pain stuff, here. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg told MSNBC that if families bought electric vehicles, theyd "never have to worry about gas prices again. This was said in November, the same month Republican Glenn Youngkin was elected governor of
01:42 DaemonFC; Virginiain whats been seen by many political observers as a predictor of the coming midterm elections."
01:42 matey; in the same way that 4chan likes to pretend its far right, the kheap keyboard high main pretends to be far left
01:43 matey; inventing pseudocommunist symbolistic nonsense to troll people who arent in on the joke
01:44 matey; like the hammer and scythe, an emo/goth/faux marxist bar in manc opened by members
01:45 matey; really they just like to get drunk and watch football, but they dress it up in all this soviet stuff
01:45 matey; its hilarious
01:45 matey; plus they all wear white facepaint and dark eyeshadow
01:46 matey; and all their football/drinking songs sound like cradle of filth
01:46 matey; and talk about how the working class will destroy west ham
01:47 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
01:47 MinceR; i suspect imageboarders stopped pretending that long ago
01:47 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights
01:48 MinceR; they attracted and got replaced by actual fascists
01:48 matey; i suspect imageboarders stopped pretending that long ago <- killing a bunch of people who didnt actually do anything is taking a joke farther than i would think was in good taste
01:48 matey; i dont even think andy kaufman would take it that far
01:48 *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights
01:49 AdmFubar; https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/S4104
01:49 TR Bot; NY State Senate Bill S4104A
01:49 matey; "haha, funny joke"
01:49 matey; no andy! bad! bad andy
01:49 matey; "oh, very sorry"
01:49 MinceR; "it's just a prank, bro"
01:49 matey; hitler: "what? why is no one laughing?"
01:50 matey; but ricky gervais could actually pull it off
01:50 matey; "so nietzche, have you written anything lately?"
01:51 matey; "im not sure i want to tell you now"
01:51 matey; "oh cmon"
01:51 matey; "ok, its called 'the gyppos, do we really need them?'"
01:52 matey; its funny because france is germany AGAIN
01:52 matey; /me is literally dancing to gypsy music right now
01:52 matey; fuck macron and everyone who elected him
01:52 matey; fuck macaroni too
01:53 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zWaymcVmJ-A
01:53 TR Bot; Los Del Rio - Macarena (Bayside Boys Remix) - Invidious
01:55 matey; rofl
01:55 matey; "French President Says Putin Made Historic Error, Macron: Russia Should Not Be Humiliated"
01:55 matey; what fucking good is parody anymore?
01:55 matey; how is it supposed to compete with this?
01:56 matey; its not a special operation, its a "historic error"
01:56 matey; dont lets be beastly to pudding
01:56 matey; hes really nice when you get to know him
01:57 Broyal; sarkosi got drunk with putin
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 287.86
02:01 matey; <Broyal> sarkosi got drunk with putin <- but for some reason elon musk wont get high with him
02:02 Broyal; putin doesnt do drugs
02:02 Broyal; just vodka
02:02 Broyal; wich isnt a drug
02:06 matey; vodka isnt a drug if youre in russia
02:06 matey; its safer to drink than tea
02:07 matey; nooooooo, linus! http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/torvalds-2020.jpg
02:07 matey; /me points to the ominous drink on the table
02:08 MinceR; i'm pretty sure they can put additional poison on vodka too
02:08 matey; they wouldnt!
02:08 matey; is nothing sacred
02:09 MinceR; to Ruscists? nothing except power
02:09 matey; imagine if they put poison in the political power!
02:09 MinceR; :>
02:10 MinceR; maybe it's the "BUT your power is over humans" caveat
02:12 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=q4Ow69QWJmo
02:12 TR Bot; The pellet with the poison's - The court jester - Invidious
02:12 *psydruid goes to
02:14 matey; that song is awesome
02:15 matey; is that angela lansbury?
02:17 psydruid; hmm
02:18 psydruid; I was told that it was actually written by Serbian songwriters
02:18 psydruid; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUsjEdsUZW8
02:18 TR Bot; https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=uUsjEdsUZW8
02:18 TR Bot; inv.riverside.rocks | Dragan Kojic Keba - Ona to zna - GS 2012_2013 - 01.02.2013. EM 17 - (Tv Pink 2013) - Invidious
02:18 matey; maybe cousins?
02:19 DaemonFC; I should have gotten the 25 foot 3.5mm cable instead of the 20 foot.
02:19 psydruid; they are neighboring countries, of course
02:19 DaemonFC; The 20 foot makes it but has to come down off the ceiling at an angle.
02:20 psydruid; Angela Lansbury from Murder She Wrote?
02:23 DaemonFC; I used command strips to bring the 3.5 mm cable from the laptop to the Bose using the wall and ceiling.
02:24 matey; yeah
02:24 MinceR; command and conquer strips
02:24 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hIsmINWdkVQ
02:24 TR Bot; "How'd You Like to Spoon With Me?" - Till The Clouds Roll By | Angela Lansbury (HD) - Invidious
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02:37 matey; <psydruid> they are neighboring countries, of course <- i like your version
02:38 matey; its the horns that make it work obviously
02:38 matey; without those theres no song
02:39 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oOm_2dGzqp0
02:39 TR Bot; Shaka Zulu vs Julius Caesar. Epic Rap Battles of History - Invidious
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02:50 DaemonFC; Eh, as long as we aren't tripping over it and having to scoot it out of the way to vacuum the floor.
02:56 DaemonFC; matey, I figure that if the cops complain about my stereo I can say "What about those Mexicans out there with the loudspeaker every weekend having a Quinceaera or something every week? You can hear them on Pluto.".
02:56 DaemonFC; Might not work if I get the Mexican cop again.
02:57 DaemonFC; "A girl turned 15. Let's shoot at a pinata!"
02:59 DaemonFC; MinceR, Does Hungary have anything as ridiculous as that shit?
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 293.00
03:00 MinceR; well, some of the local savages like yelling loudly on the street often, some of them like pointlessly loud vehicles, and of course the cultists like to make noise every few hours
03:01 MinceR; not that i notice that that much in the concrete box i live for half the year in budapest as the neighbors like to drill for hours anyway
03:01 DaemonFC; Drill as in having sex?
03:01 MinceR; no
03:01 MinceR; drill as in making holes in concrete
03:01 DaemonFC; LMAO
03:02 DaemonFC; What happens when they run out of concrete that needs holes drilled in it for some reason?
03:02 MinceR; i suspect every wall in that "apartment" looks like swiss cheese by now
03:02 MinceR; or they take cement to the "apartment" regularly and make more concrete just so they have something to drill
03:02 DaemonFC; Also possible.
03:02 MinceR; but none of the above would take more than an Exterminatus to fix anyway
03:03 DaemonFC; You should ask them if it would not be more exonomical to just rent a cement mixer and get things in bulk instead.
03:03 DaemonFC; *economical
03:03 MinceR; i don't care, i just want them to die slowly and painfully
03:05 matey; some of them like pointlessly loud vehicles <- this is what got me onto cookie monster dubstep
03:05 MinceR; i wonder if humans in other countries feel like their life has no purpose if they're not at least inconveniencing someone else every second, or if it's just hungarians
03:05 matey; when i was drunk and a bunch of idiots were going by with their 1.5M diameter speakers and their supercharged engines spooling up
03:05 MinceR; but i guess i'll have to find that out anyway unless i want to live officially in the russian federation soon
03:06 matey; the engines made me think "hey! these cars sound just like cookie monster"
03:06 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 30138 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40955 Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-05-27 10:17:06 BST; 1 weeks 1 days ago
03:06 MinceR; did their license plates go "zz-zz-zz" to the beat of the bass?
03:06 matey; OHH! ME SPOOLING!!! COOOOKIEEEEE! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM!
03:06 MinceR; if not, then they were doing it wrong
03:06 matey; NOMMMM! NOMMMMM! NOOMMM!!!
03:07 matey; i dont think as many people loosen the bolts on their license plates anymore
03:07 matey; not when you can pay extra to simulate that with electronics
03:07 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 246 MB TotalOut: 45 MB
03:07 MinceR; no need to put effort into that, the noise takes care of it
03:07 MinceR; if it's loud enough
03:08 MinceR; they could dampen it if they wanted, but obviously audio quality doesn't matter in this case, only being obnoxiously and damagingly loud matters
03:08 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:09 matey; i dont understand how people can have these systems and drive around without hearing protection and still have enough hearing to use a phone
03:09 MinceR; maybe it is also loud and they scream into the microphone
03:10 matey; unless its like a hard light hologram that physically nudges their eardrums i dont know how a phone could even work after all that
03:10 IPFS; QmVFioEbqLtsexYUL3WTkFycceXHEqBmqYYFgdBPjTGwm8
03:10 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:11 matey; maybe the people that put these systems in also soundproof the interior
03:11 matey; but thats a good trick when you can see the windows are open
03:12 DaemonFC; <MinceR> i don't care, i just want them to die slowly and painfully
03:12 DaemonFC; No, no, you convince them to get the cement mixer and throw them in.
03:12 DaemonFC; Make it look like an accident.
03:26 DaemonFC; You don't need a license plate, insurance, or a driver's license in Illinois if you're an illegal immigrant.
03:26 DaemonFC; It's still the law, but the judge is probably a Democrat that lets you go.
03:26 DaemonFC; If he's not, the prosecutor might be.
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06:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:42 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, June 04, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
06:42 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
06:42 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
06:42 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
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06:44 TR News; The June 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165637
06:44 TR Bot; The June 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine | Tux Machines
06:45 TR News; Dr. Stallman gave a talk in French some hours ago (video is work in progress), but here is a video uploaded a day earlier; its from Brazil and it was recorded about 20 years ago http://techrights.org/2022/06/04/richard-stallman-brazil/
06:45 TR Bot; Rare Interview With Richard Stallman (Uploaded Friday) | Techrights
06:47 TR News; PCLinuxOS Screenshot Showcase https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202206/page12.html
06:47 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 12
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06:54 TR News; PCLinuxOS Repo Review: Video Editors https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202206/page09.html
06:54 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 9
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07:01 schestowitz; https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202205/page12.html
07:01 schestowitz; "
07:01 schestowitz; First of all, I want to make it very clear that I am not in favor of war, under any circumstances. In the case of the Russia/Ukraine conflict, it is a situation that should be resolved between the two countries, without outside interference in any way. But, this is not what happened, and neither is it what is happening now.
07:01 schestowitz; Unfortunately, the technology companies are playing a very ambiguous and mean-spirited role in this conflict, on the one hand trying to appear to promote peace, but in fact stirring up hatred. In my view of what is happening, it is a repeat of the Cuban missile crisis, only in reverse, in simple lines.
07:01 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 12
07:01 schestowitz; But now we have, in all the technology and communications companies, censorship and repression of anything concerning the conflict other than the official NATO version, that the Russian president is a mad aggressor.
07:01 schestowitz; "
07:01 schestowitz; today:
07:01 schestowitz; https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202206/page05.html
07:01 schestowitz; "
07:01 schestowitz; Last month, we ran an article from Agent Smith that caused a shiitake mushroom storm. Quite literally.
07:01 schestowitz; Agent Smith, a.k.a. Alessandro Ebersol, is a frequent contributor to The PCLinuxOS Magazine. He has stepped up to help produce exclusive content for The PCLinuxOS Magazine when virtually no one else would. He is passionate about battling the continuing and continued overreach of Big Tech. He is passionate about PCLinuxOS. He is passionate about gaming on PCLinuxOS. Living in Brazil, he sometimes has a different take on events than many of the other
07:01 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 5
07:01 schestowitz; people who volunteer for The PCLinuxOS Magazine.
07:01 schestowitz; Out of the storm that developed from "that" article, it has become apparent that there are some significant misunderstandings or misconceptions about the magazine that need to be cleared up.
07:01 schestowitz; That is the reason for this article.
07:01 schestowitz; "
07:02 schestowitz; Also:
07:02 schestowitz; "
07:02 schestowitz; Facebook allows hate messages against Russians
07:02 schestowitz; In times when users and experts are clamoring for more efficient content moderation on social networks, Meta Platforms has made a controversial decision. Last March, it decided to allow hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel on Facebook and Instagram.
07:02 schestowitz; YouTube censors Russia Today and Sputnik channels
07:02 schestowitz; Google has decided to censor the Kremlin-linked channels Russia Today (RT) and Sputnik. The tech giant will cut the reach of these publications in Europe during the Ukraine War, with the excuse of preventing the spread of fake news from the Kremlin. However, this decision, since most people nowadays inform themselves through YouTube or via Google News, creates mass disinformation and no chance for contradiction, which creates a spirit of Russian
07:02 schestowitz; phobia. Yes, the media is instilling hatred for the Russian people and everything related to Russia.
07:02 schestowitz; "
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07:03 matey; hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel <- uhh
07:03 matey; how the FUCK is that "hate speech" when its against officials?
07:03 matey; oh, the coc is a joke, right
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07:04 matey; no being anti-authority
07:04 matey; happiness is mandatory
07:04 matey; illegal wars are NICE
07:04 matey; criticing war is "hate"
07:04 matey; how far does this go?
07:04 matey; dont make fun of mr hitler, you bigot
07:04 matey; /me takes down all the downfall parodies
07:05 matey; the terrorists won s/terrorists/fucking idiots/
07:05 matey; "hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel"
07:05 matey; theres no such fucking thing
07:05 TR News; Calling for DE-ESCALATION in Ukraine causes shitstorm. "Out of the storm that developed from "that" article, it has become apparent that there are some significant misunderstandings or misconceptions about the magazine that need to be cleared up."https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202206/page05.html this article https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202205/page12.html
07:05 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 5
07:05 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 12
07:06 matey; even when its against actually underrepresented groups
07:06 matey; the term "hate speech" is so inspecific to the point of uselessness that the supreme court of the united states cant be arsed with it
07:06 matey; because of the first amendment
07:07 matey; inciting violence? rules for that
07:07 matey; threats? fraud? rules for that
07:07 matey; defamation? tricky! but rules for that
07:07 matey; "hate"-- what the fuck is that?
07:07 matey; i hate illegal wars
07:07 matey; free speech exists precisely so you can say that sort of thing
07:07 matey; i hate corrupt officials
07:08 matey; if you cant critciise the fucking government, free speech is TRULY broken
07:08 TR News; "The past week has been fairly slow in additions of verified/playable games for the Steam Deck, following the previous 3100 games milestone. There are now more than 3200 games validated (3222 games to be precise at the time of publication) on the Steam Deck in two categories..." https://boilingsteam.com/3200-games-steam-deck-verified/
07:08 matey; "hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel"
07:08 TR Bot; 3200 Games On The Steam Deck with Ender Lilies and Divinity Original Sin 2 as Verified - Boiling Steam
07:08 matey; WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THAT?
07:09 matey; also fuck torvalds, zemlin and the entire linux fund... ation
07:09 matey; if you dont want "hate speech"
07:09 matey; heres an idea-- STOP FUCKING MURDERING PEOPLE
07:09 matey; you cunts
07:10 schestowitz_TR2; I don't read it like you
07:10 schestowitz_TR2; I know the guy
07:10 matey; you dont read anything properly
07:10 schestowitz_TR2; he's a longtime techrights areader
07:10 matey; i know him too
07:10 matey; yeah i actually like him
07:10 schestowitz_TR2; he just said doi not hate Russians in general
07:10 schestowitz_TR2; like XRevan86
07:11 schestowitz_TR2; and like Lula, his former president, he thinks they need to pursue a peaceful end to it
07:11 matey; i wasnt aware that xrevan86 was a "russian official" or "military personnel"
07:11 matey; you must have read it in some way that missed that part
07:11 schestowitz_TR2; matey: did he say hate towards russian officials should end?
07:11 matey; even while quoting it
07:12 matey; thats why i quoted it a few more times
07:12 schestowitz_TR2; "Yes, the media is instilling hatred for the Russian people and everything related to Russia"
07:12 matey; i didnt comment on the parts that dont bother me
07:12 matey; does that somehow cancel out the other thing he said? if so, why did he say "hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel"
07:12 schestowitz_TR2; checking for "hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel"
07:13 matey; 06:02 <schestowitz> In times when users and experts are clamoring for more efficient content moderation on social networks, Meta Platforms has made a controversial decision. Last March, it decided to allow hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel on Facebook and Instagram.
07:13 schestowitz_TR2; I see it now
07:13 matey; 06:02 <schestowitz> In times when users and experts are clamoring for more efficient content moderation on social networks, Meta Platforms has made a controversial decision. Last March, it decided --> to allow hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel <-- on Facebook and Instagram.
07:13 schestowitz_TR2; he talks aboyt FB policy is issuing death wishes or threats
07:14 schestowitz_TR2; like "Assassinate this and that person"
07:14 matey; so you cant hope that the people murdering people die first?
07:14 schestowitz_TR2; so it is allowed against Russians
07:14 schestowitz_TR2; but gets you in trouble if you say it against SU war criminalks
07:14 schestowitz_TR2; basically FB double standards
07:14 matey; but gets you in trouble if you say it against SU war criminalks <- imo they should just make it ok to hope any war criminal dies
07:15 matey; just like mincer hopes people making a public nuisance do
07:15 matey; which everyone hopes (a little) sometimes, even if they (most) hardly mean it
07:15 matey; mincer might actually mean it (though im not sure even of that)
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07:16 matey; people in the highly-pc west seem oblivious to the fact that many cultures are far more casual about this
07:16 TR News; This Week in Linux 200: Inkscape, NixOS, Linux Mint, PulseAudio, GNOME Shell on Mobile and more Linux news! https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/this-week-in-linux/twil-200/
07:16 TR Bot; Inkscape, NixOS, Linux Mint, PulseAudio, GNOME Shell on Mobile and more Linux news! - This Week in Linux - TuxDigital
07:17 matey; theres a funny song on youtube where a girl says her day is boring, and her friend decides to leave instead of listening to her moaning
07:17 matey; so her friend says "fine, go and die"
07:17 matey; no one in their right mind would think she actually meant it
07:17 matey; but moderators want zero-tolerance policies for robots
07:18 matey; zero tolerance policies are one of the dumbest things humanity ever came up with
07:18 matey; they simply do not work
07:18 TR News; John Goerzen: Visiting Germany: Reflections on Schloss Charlottenburg https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10375-visiting-germany-reflections-on-schloss-charlottenburg http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Berlin-in-Winter/West-Side/20181218_134642
07:18 TR Bot; Visiting Germany: Reflections on Schloss Charlottenburg | The Changelog
07:18 TR Bot; 20181218 134642
07:18 matey; they might as well be called excess stupidity policies
07:18 matey; "our excess stupidity policy forbids this"
07:19 matey; "but all i said was 'hi everyone im from memphis'
07:19 matey; "well you cant say that here
07:19 matey; "memphis?"
07:19 matey; "i fucking live there"
07:19 matey; "i bet i cant say that either"
07:19 matey; "no, you can say fucking, you just cant say memphis"
07:19 matey; "hey, now you said it"
07:20 matey; "right, and im issuing a ban to myself right now"
07:20 schestowitz_TR2; iirc, twitter banned people for that word
07:20 schestowitz_TR2; and just that word
07:20 matey; thats why its funny
07:20 schestowitz_TR2; was there some riot planned there?
07:20 matey; where you are you from?
07:20 matey; memphis
07:20 schestowitz_TR2; banned
07:20 matey; "look, just because i say 'jehovah'"
07:20 schestowitz_TR2; twitter lost a lot of useds
07:20 schestowitz_TR2; lots
07:21 schestowitz_TR2; matey: you can WRITE it
07:21 schestowitz_TR2; but don't READ it
07:21 matey; /me covers the screen while typing
07:21 schestowitz_TR2; a lightening strike would hit you
07:21 matey; write-only tweeting
07:22 matey; makes you wonder how the jehovahs witnesses survive
07:22 matey; they say jehovah a lot
07:22 matey; maybe they got a permission slip?
07:22 schestowitz_TR2; twitter does not let you read either
07:22 schestowitz_TR2; it pushes you to read angst
07:22 matey; or maybe its fine as long as you add the s
07:22 matey; "jehovahs"
07:22 schestowitz_TR2; celebs, controversy
07:22 schestowitz_TR2; not people you actually used to "follow"
07:22 schestowitz_TR2; twitter is a "burning platform"
07:22 schestowitz_TR2; even musk was never truly interested in it
07:23 matey; its not licked yet
07:23 schestowitz_TR2; pumped and dumped it
07:23 matey; pumped and dumped it <- i find that sexist and misogynist and blah blah blah
07:23 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/wiki/Twitter
07:23 TR Bot; Twitter - Techrights
07:23 matey; tweetist!
07:23 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/wiki/High-Priority_Opponents
07:23 TR Bot; High-Priority Opponents - Techrights
07:23 matey; i dont know what tweetist means but it sounds bad and i bet what you said is tweetist
07:24 schestowitz_TR2; "she was such a xxxxx person. she wrote such xxxx TWEETS..."
07:24 schestowitz_TR2; "he was a xxxx politicans. He has XXXX FOLLOWERS in Twitter"
07:25 schestowitz_TR2; those platforms are the "metaverse"
07:25 schestowitz_TR2; a fake society
07:25 schestowitz_TR2; with fake friends
07:25 schestowitz_TR2; and a fake circle
07:25 schestowitz_TR2; and then they go offline
07:25 schestowitz_TR2; or you take the mask/headset off
07:26 schestowitz_TR2; [12:06] <schestowitz-TR> "I used to be hung up on post counts, for some reason. On my ten year sludge through Twitter (2009-2019 (years lost forever)),
07:26 schestowitz_TR2; [12:06] <schestowitz-TR> I used to get worked up and enthusiastic about that I had 75K Tweets. It was a testament to how much time I wasted there, but i
07:26 schestowitz_TR2; [12:06] <schestowitz-TR> t was 75K of SOMETHING I had "done". Ridiculous thing to care about." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/992
07:26 schestowitz_TR2; [12:06] <schestowitz-TR> It was a testament to how much time I wasted there" -----> I posted 951k
07:27 TR News; Markdown and Gemtext gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220604_markdown_gemtext
07:28 TR News; Unifont 14.0.04 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165638
07:28 TR Bot; Unifont 14.0.04 Released | Tux Machines
07:38 TR News; FEX 2206 Tagged! https://fex-emu.org/FEX-2206/
07:38 TR Bot; FEX 2206 Tagged! FEX-Emu A fast linux usermode x86 and x86-64 emulator
07:42 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165639
07:42 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
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07:46 schestowitz_TR2; hi TEMP0, new nickname?
07:46 matey; i hope they dont have oil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemune
07:46 TR Bot; Kemune - Wikipedia
07:46 TR News; Games: Psychonauts 2, 3200 Games on Steam Deck, FEX 2206 Tagged Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165640
07:46 TR Bot; Games: Psychonauts 2, 3200 Games on Steam Deck, FEX 2206 Tagged | Tux Machines
07:46 matey; new labour is trying very hard to relive its past while pretending its the future
07:47 matey; we dont want them phoning ellon and asking if george can come out to play
07:47 matey; ellen
07:48 matey; i think i just created a talk show host billionaire nutjob hybrid
07:48 TEMP0; cant change nick
07:48 schestowitz_TR2; I see...
07:48 matey; just what we need, self-dancing cars
07:48 schestowitz_TR2; I still cannopt believe they push face rce everywhehere
07:48 schestowitz_TR2; and "self-driving" or autonomous cars
07:48 schestowitz_TR2; those would work IF
07:49 schestowitz_TR2; you are in a controlled environment like a warehouse
07:49 schestowitz_TR2; and even then you might want a human operator/supervisor
07:49 schestowitz_TR2; in case exceptions occur and context is needed
07:49 schestowitz_TR2; like if there's a leak or a shelf collapses
07:50 matey; i think the solution is pretty obvious
07:50 schestowitz_TR2; who ever said we needed voting machines?
07:50 matey; attach a flying reindeer to the front of each one to guide it
07:50 matey; problem solved
07:51 schestowitz_TR2; even a reindeer would be an improvment
07:51 schestowitz_TR2; they have survival instincts
07:51 TR News; PCLinuxOS Articlea of Interest Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165641
07:51 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Articlea of Interest | Tux Machines
07:51 schestowitz_TR2; oops, typo
07:52 matey; not if the reindeer is working without a script
07:52 matey; and i think thats most reindeer
07:52 matey; even mr ed worked without a script, they just gave him peanut butter and told him to ad lib
07:53 matey; you can lead a horse to writing but you cant make him read
07:54 matey; jim henson had a few ideas but they banned him from the set
07:55 schestowitz; https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/200609/page02.html
07:55 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - HTML
07:55 schestowitz; troll: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PwrHXiPZT3Y
07:56 TR Bot; Richard Stallman Death, Richard Stallman has passed away, Richard Stallman has died - Invidious
07:57 schestowitz; "For the news posts/links: I have many feeds in Akregator and many, many bookmarks. I try to hit the bookmarks at least once a day and refresh the feeds several times a day. I check some web search engines a couple of times a day as well. Basically, it's a lot of virtual leg-work."
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08:08 TR News; Old: "Why is Vista still flawed and why is it taking so long to bring to fruition? The Vista concept (Longhorn) came about before Windows XP was released and is (if I'm not mistaken) based on the NT kernel like Windows 2000 and XP." https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/200609/page03.html
08:08 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - HTML
08:22 TR News; http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/software-patents-perish/
08:22 TR Bot; Links 05/06/2022: Unifont 14.0.04, More Software Patents Perish | Techrights
08:24 TR News; 11 Best Free and Open Source Audio Analyzers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165642
08:24 TR Bot; 11 Best Free and Open Source Audio Analyzers | Tux Machines
08:24 TR News; Shows: This Week in Linux and Wayland Rant Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165643
08:24 TR Bot; Shows: This Week in Linux and Wayland Rant | Tux Machines
08:27 TR News; Links 05/06/2022: Unifont 14.0.04, More Software Patents Perish | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/software-patents-perish/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/software-patents-perish/
08:31 TR News; The Register has unveiled their "cynic's guide to desktop Linux," which they ultimately concede is a snarky yet affectionate list of "the least bad distros." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165451#comment-33882
08:31 TR Bot; The cynic's guide to desktop Linux | Tux Machines
08:38 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 04, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/irc-log-040622/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/irc-log-040622/
08:38 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 04, 2022 | Techrights
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
09:11 TR News; IBM: please test our kernels, see if that breaks https://fedoramagazine.org/contribute-at-the-fedora-linux-37-test-week-for-kernel-5-18/
09:11 TR Bot; Contribute at the Fedora Linux 37 Test Week for Kernel 5.18 - Fedora Magazine
09:13 *psydruid wonders if anyone still reports any bugs for Fedora at all
09:28 schestowitz_TR2; ibm reports it to ibm
09:28 schestowitz_TR2; their staff to other staff
09:28 schestowitz_TR2; in the open
09:28 schestowitz_TR2; the "open org"
09:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:30 TR News; Cheetah a Day Day 606: yaaaaaaaaaawn gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D606.jpg
09:31 TR News; "I started my new job on Wednesday June 1st. That was absolutely delightful in every way; this tale is about what happened afterwards." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-06-05-the-tale-of-the-wednesday-ordeal.gmi
09:32 TR News; ANN: bombadillo fork with spartan: "Just thought you guys would like to know that I have forked the bombadillo terminal browser to incorporate the spartan protocol. Uploads are not yet supported." gemini://blinkyshark.chickenkiller.com/2022-06-05-ann-bombo-fork.gmi
09:33 TR News; A conditionally transforming combinato gemini://idiomdrottning.org/conditional-transformation
09:39 TR News; FALSE: "Its wild how the Bush family has basically no power now" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
10:42 TR News; "But I didnt like the fact that they just gave you a random payphone, so I started perusing Ebay." https://bert.org/2022/06/02/payphone/ | Source: Bertrand Fan
10:42 TR Bot; Installing a payphone in my house | bertrand fan
10:42 TR News; "About a decade ago, things started to change." https://blog.iconfactory.com/2022/06/worldwideweb-part-2/ |
10:42 TR Bot; WorldWideWeb, Part II The Breakroom
10:42 TR News; "The Internet lost a hero this week. Ned Freed and I were in our early thirties when we met." http://theviewfromguppylake.blogspot.com/2022/05/remembering-ned-freed-1959-2022.html |
10:43 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://theviewfromguppylake.blogspot.com/2022/05/remembering-ned-freed-1959-2022.html )
10:43 TR News; 'Casual' Surveillance: "The commissioner's report, which was published Wednesday morning, states that Tim Hortons collected granular location data" https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tim-hortons-app-report-1.6473584 | Source: CBC
10:43 TR Bot; Tim Hortons app tracked too much personal information without adequate consent, investigation finds | CBC News
10:43 psydruid; https://www.linux.org/threads/this-is-not-good-for-linux-below-the-os-security-from-intel.40498/
10:43 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.linux.org/threads/this-is-not-good-for-linux-below-the-os-security-from-intel.40498/ )
10:44 TR News; "Seeed Studio is offering a STM32 based LoRa CAN with support for CAN 2.0 (up to 1Mb/s) and CAN-FD (up to 5Mb/s) protocols" https://linuxgizmos.com/seeedstudio-lora-e5-can-dev-board-goes-on-pre-order-for-39-90/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
10:44 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/seeedstudio-lora-e5-can-dev-board-goes-on-pre-order-for-39-90/ )
10:44 TR News; "Ronetix has recently released a large System on Module portfolio based on NXP processors" https://linuxgizmos.com/ronetix-i-mx8m-based-compact-soms-solutions/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
10:44 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/ronetix-i-mx8m-based-compact-soms-solutions/ )
10:45 TR News; "Wine is the compatibility layer that allows you to run games and applications developed for Windows - on Linux (plus also macOS and BSD)." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165623#comment-33884 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/wine-710-rolls-out-with-56-bug-fixes/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:45 TR Bot; The Wine development release 7.10 is now available. | Tux Machines
10:45 TR Bot; 7.10 rolls out with 56 bug fixes | GamingOnLinux
10:46 TR News; iophk: I presume the sound bar was running undocumented linux http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-030622.html#tJun%2003%2000:29:17
10:46 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, June 03, 2022
10:46 TR News; iophk: those warnings came in the 1990s, but the community stopped fighting it by 2010 and thereby ceded the net gemini://midnight.pub/posts/994
10:46 schestowitz; x https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/21671-3-4-million-pirates-in-the-nordics-mediavision.html
10:46 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/21671-3-4-million-pirates-in-the-nordics-mediavision.html )
10:46 schestowitz; # disinfo being propagated
10:46 TR News; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The Matrix https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-matrix Source: smbc-comics
10:46 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The Matrix
10:47 TR News; slackware https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-uk%27s-future-4175709628/page2.html
10:47 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-uk%27s-future-4175709628/page2.html )
10:47 TR News; "Alma Linux OS is a free and open source Linux distribution which is built on from RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) source code." https://www.linuxbuzz.com/how-to-install-almalinux-9-step-by-step/ |
10:47 TR Bot; How to Install AlmaLinux 9 Step-by-Step with screenshots
10:48 TR News; "Dozens of pirate IPTV suppliers and illegal streaming sites may be facing anti-piracy disruption in the weeks and months ahead." https://torrentfreak.com/dozens-of-pirate-iptv-streaming-sites-face-potential-ace-mpa-disruption-220604/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:48 TR Bot; of Pirate IPTV & Streaming Sites Face Potential ACE/MPA Disruption * TorrentFreak
10:48 TR News; "Reddit has warned the U.S. Copyright Office that upload filters would harm free expression and creativity." https://torrentfreak.com/reddit-warns-u-s-that-upload-filters-threaten-free-expression-and-creativity-220604/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:48 TR Bot; Warns U.S. That Upload Filters Threaten Free Expression and Creativity * TorrentFreak
10:50 TR News; Patents kill https://fair.org/home/media-fail-to-raise-alarm-over-deadly-lack-of-booster-shots-in-elderly/ | Source: FAIR
10:50 TR Bot; Media Fail to Raise Alarm Over Deadly Lack of Booster Shots in Elderly - FAIR
10:52 TR News; "TFT technology might be ancient news for monitors and TVs, but its alive and well when it comes to hobbyist electronics and embedded devices." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/04/universal-tft-display-backpack-helps-small-displays-shine/ | Source: Hackaday
10:52 TR Bot; TFT Display Backpack Helps Small Displays Shine | Hackaday
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10:54 TR News; "[Robo] over at Tiny Transistor Labs has a fascinating look at whats inside these modern, ultra low-power devices that consume absolutely minuscule amounts of current." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/04/gaze-inside-these-nanopower-op-amps/ | Source: Hackaday
10:54 TR Bot; Inside These Nanopower Op-Amps | Hackaday
10:56 TR News; DIY Keyboard https://hackaday.com/2022/06/04/diy-keyboard-cant-get-much-smaller/ | Source: Hackaday
10:56 TR Bot; Keyboard Cant Get Much Smaller | Hackaday
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
11:00 DaemonFC; schestowitz, https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/business/money-report/heres-the-email-elon-musk-sent-all-tesla-employees-about-10-headcount-reduction/2849069/
11:00 TR Bot; Heres the Email Elon Musk Sent All Tesla Employees About 10% Headcount Reduction NBC Chicago
11:00 DaemonFC; Failing company.
11:00 schestowitz_TR2; yes, I mentioned thios
11:00 schestowitz_TR2; and said the same
11:00 DaemonFC; " Tesla is cutting 10% of salaried employees CEO Elon Musk wrote in an e-mail to all employees there on Friday.
11:00 DaemonFC; Tesla shares dropped 8% on news of the headcount reduction at Tesla.
11:00 DaemonFC; On Friday, President Joe Biden was asked about Elon Musk's negative economic outlook and said Tesla may be cutting back but Ford and others were ramping up."
11:01 DaemonFC; I mentioned that Tesla is blaming the economy, but GM and Ford were adding jobs.
11:01 DaemonFC; Ford is on a hiring binge, even in Illinois, which is infamously bad for business, although nowhere near as bad as California.
11:01 schestowitz; [08:50] <techrights-news> Tesla is failing https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/03/lots-luck-his-trip-moon-biden-says-musks-job-cuts-tesla | Source: Common Dreams
11:01 TR Bot; 'Lots of Luck on His Trip to the Moon,' Biden Says of Musk's Job Cuts at Tesla
11:01 DaemonFC; Musk picked the second worst business environment in the company and put his main factory there. California. LOL
11:02 DaemonFC; The only place he could have opened that has more job killing government policies in New Jersey.
11:02 DaemonFC; *country
11:02 schestowitz; [23:23] <techrights-news> Tesla will fail and will lose money because "real" car companies make EVs and they don't cost a leg https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/ford-announces-%243.7-billion-in-midwest-ev-plants
11:02 schestowitz; those are weekend links
11:02 DaemonFC; Why in God's name would you put a factory in California?
11:03 schestowitz; tesla is a joke
11:03 DaemonFC; They don't want jobs. They were trying to shut down the sriracha sauce guy because a few people complained that they could smell it. They were trying to chase over 700 jobs out.
11:03 schestowitz; losing money for many years
11:03 schestowitz; overstaffed
11:03 schestowitz; 110000 (soon less) workers
11:03 schestowitz; to makes less than a million cars
11:03 schestowitz; do the economics
11:03 schestowitz; musk paints dissenting staff as terrorists
11:04 schestowitz; so that media will ignore them
11:04 DaemonFC; A million a year?
11:04 schestowitz; while he wants to buy twitter
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11:04 schestowitz; no
11:04 schestowitz; not a million a year
11:04 DaemonFC; LOL
11:04 schestowitz; a million all in all
11:04 schestowitz; those do not exist here
11:04 DaemonFC; Even a million a year, <10 cars per worker per year is pretty bad.
11:04 schestowitz; i saw a tesla here twice
11:04 schestowitz; i think ikt was the same one
11:04 schestowitz; i.e. one car
11:05 DaemonFC; All the real car companies do better than 9-10 cars a year per worker in their headcount.
11:05 schestowitz; maybe the californians see it as symbol status
11:05 schestowitz; status sym,bol
11:05 schestowitz; tesla is one b ig fake
11:05 schestowitz; fake valuation
11:05 schestowitz; musk should pay to say he is the FLOUNDER
11:05 schestowitz; not founder
11:06 DaemonFC; "Biden said that while Elon Musk is talking about economic fears and reductions, Ford is increasing their investment in building new electric vehicles, with 6,000 new, union employees in the midwest."
11:07 schestowitz_TR2; musks says
11:07 schestowitz_TR2; bill says
11:07 schestowitz_TR2; trump says
11:07 DaemonFC; Yeah, Musk said he'd let his employees vote to unionize and he'd get out of the way and wouldn't try to harass them. That would be out of character.
11:07 schestowitz_TR2; there is journalism for you
11:07 schestowitz_TR2; i saw some musk says pieces last nigt
11:07 schestowitz_TR2; refused to even link to themma
11:07 schestowitz_TR2; appeal to fake authority
11:07 schestowitz_TR2; scams and frauds
11:07 schestowitz_TR2; and perverts, too
11:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, The most cringeworthy line in Star Trek: Enterprise is when Cmdr. Tucker names all of the great inventors and put Elon Musk in the same sentence as Zefram Cochrane (the man who invented warp drive in the Star Trek timeline.....).
11:09 DaemonFC; I heard it and was like "LOL!".
11:09 schestowitz_TR2; biden seems to misundeerstand his role
11:09 schestowitz_TR2; like he's a face for wallstreet and oligarchs
11:09 schestowitz_TR2; instead of helping to defne voters
11:09 schestowitz_TR2; frrom wallsteert gred and oligarchs
11:09 DaemonFC; The Cult of Musk.
11:09 DaemonFC; Shows you the writers had no idea what the guy really was.
11:10 schestowitz_TR2; paid plugs
11:10 schestowitz_TR2; gates did the same
11:10 schestowitz_TR2; they use similar tactics
11:10 schestowitz_TR2; myth-making
11:12 TR News; Tails 5.1 Anonymous-OS Improves the Tor Connection Assistant, Fix Clock, Updates to Tor 0.4.7.7 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165644
11:12 DaemonFC; Worst line in Star Trek history.
11:13 DaemonFC; At least the line the UK censored about Northern Ireland throwing them out was a possibility.
11:13 DaemonFC; The idea of Musk being hailed as a great inventor in the 22nd century is laughable.
11:15 DaemonFC; The military having to occupy its own country and facing an insurgency, like Iraq.
11:15 DaemonFC; And then they think censoring a TV show is going to fix their problems.
11:16 TR News; Readjusting for the Coming Decade | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/techrights-vs-misconceptions/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/techrights-vs-misconceptions/
11:17 schestowitz_TR2; mmusk is a very fake person
11:17 schestowitz_TR2; inauthentic like gates
11:17 schestowitz_TR2; outwards, he fakes his appearanced
11:17 schestowitz_TR2; lots of butchering, hair plugs etc but that's nopt what matteers
11:17 schestowitz_TR2; he compoosed a fake list of achievements
11:17 schestowitz_TR2; while gates pretends to be expert in everything
11:18 schestowitz_TR2; by bribing the media to give this impression
11:18 schestowitz_TR2; they are both con men
11:18 schestowitz_TR2; and worse, criminals
11:18 DaemonFC; He has people brief him on what to say and then pays "news" outlets to not go off the script.
11:18 schestowitz_TR2; though musk's crimes are less severe
11:18 DaemonFC; So, like, you could do that with me and make me look like a nuclear power expert.
11:18 schestowitz_TR2; like plundering accounts
11:18 DaemonFC; Or a vaccine expert.
11:19 schestowitz_TR2; shareholder yes
11:19 DaemonFC; Then people would go like "Okay, this guy has it all figured out. He should be running this!".
11:19 schestowitz_TR2; who is taught to memorise lines
11:19 schestowitz_TR2; and use thbe media for stock manipulation
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11:33 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, One state has passed a homeless criminalization bill comparable to Boris Johnson's.
11:34 DaemonFC; Tennessee. It goes into effect next month and makes rough sleeping a felony.
11:34 DaemonFC; So the state can't afford to give them housing, but it can afford $300,000 to put one of them in prison for 6 years?
11:34 DaemonFC; Very interesting.
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11:36 DaemonFC; "People have been complaining about all the homeless, which is getting to be a bigger problem, you know."
11:37 DaemonFC; Lots of victims of the "booming economy" that's "favorable to workers". Great Resignation.
11:38 DaemonFC; The Republicans want to put them in prison. The Democrats send the cops out to trash their stuff and beat them up.
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11:54 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/complaint-mcdonalds-knowingly-served-muslim-family-bacon/
11:54 DaemonFC; Bacon on a filet-o-fish sounds pretty good come to think of it.
11:55 DaemonFC; I might play around with that.
11:56 DaemonFC; "Filet-o-Fish...no tartar sauce...add big mac sauce....add four slices bacon...add pickle, lettuce and tomato."
11:56 DaemonFC; big mac sauce might make a decent fish sandwich topping.
11:56 DaemonFC; It's mostly thousand island dressing and pickle relish.
12:02 TR News; This article is insane!! What has she been smoking? https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2022/06/01/149339/id=149339/
12:24 schestowitz_TR2; <DaemonFC> Tennessee. It goes into effect next month and makes rough sleeping a felony.
12:24 schestowitz_TR2; url?
12:24 schestowitz_TR2; rough sleeping is not a felony here
12:27 DaemonFC; Under the "policing bill" it will be.
12:27 schestowitz_TR2; url?
12:27 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/05/26/1101434831/public-camping-felony-tennessee-homeless-seek-refuge
12:28 schestowitz_TR2; uk?
12:28 schestowitz_TR2; public camping is tents
12:28 DaemonFC; Not necessarily.
12:28 schestowitz_TR2; like squatters in ph
12:28 schestowitz_TR2; they get vacated
12:28 DaemonFC; The way the bill is written, sleeping on the ground somewhere is a felony even without a tent.
12:29 schestowitz_TR2; us has tent cities
12:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:30 DaemonFC; Yeah, the Tennessee bill could have been construed as making a felon of anyone who falls asleep in a public park.
12:30 DaemonFC; So the cops have to give you 24 hours warning and then they can arrest you if they come back the next day and you're still there.
12:32 schestowitz_TR2; sounds like nothing new
12:33 schestowitz_TR2; but it is not rouugh sleeping
12:33 schestowitz_TR2; it's camping in inadequate places
12:34 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/05/kyiv-shelled-first-time-since-late-april-news "Kyiv shelled first time since late April"
12:34 schestowitz_TR2; there is a lot to be criticised about our regime
12:34 schestowitz_TR2; and anti-protect provisions
12:34 schestowitz_TR2; anti-mass gathering
12:34 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/05/a77894
12:34 schestowitz_TR2; but if someone has no home, that does not mean he or she can slep in my garden
12:35 schestowitz_TR2; XRevan86: at first I read that as kyiv shelling russia
12:35 schestowitz_TR2; maybe that too wiill happen at some stage
12:35 XRevan86; "Regional Governor Gaiday: Russians Have Lost Ground in Sieverodonetsk"
12:35 schestowitz_TR2; gay-daY
12:35 schestowitz_TR2; putin will try to kill him
12:36 XRevan86; schestowitz: Russia is already shelled, Bielgorod region and such.
12:36 XRevan86; It's not very significant, a lot of cases can be written off as stray missiles, and even friendly fire.
12:38 XRevan86; "gay-daY" <- Can also be spelt "Haidai".
12:38 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/5/7350643/
12:39 XRevan86; Case and point: "Haidai: Armed Forces of Ukraine control half of Sieverodonetsk"
12:39 XRevan86; Same news, different spelling.
12:39 schestowitz_TR2; hayfeever
12:39 XRevan86; In both cases the consonant is voiced :)
12:40 XRevan86; Is the title fetcher on holiday?
12:40 schestowitz_TR2; anyway, sorry to get off topic
12:40 schestowitz_TR2; hayfever or gay day, it does not mean anything in that language anyway
12:41 schestowitz_TR2; but anyway, ukraine war is not on topic here unless it has a tech aspect like censorship on the Net
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12:41 schestowitz_TR2; Putin isolated Russia just to make a point
12:42 schestowitz_TR2; Even China distances itself a bit
12:42 XRevan86; Don't know about Gay Day, I only know about Two Minutes Hate. Which is the opposite emotion and a longer timespan.
12:42 schestowitz_TR2; like removing russia staff from huawei
12:42 DaemonFC; <schestowitz_TR2> it's camping in inadequate places
12:42 schestowitz_TR2; DaemonFC: rise in homelessness, DaemonFC
12:42 schestowitz_TR2; in TN
12:42 DaemonFC; I think the US Supreme Court ordered California to stop enforcing their anti-homeless laws unless they would provide suitable housing.
12:42 schestowitz_TR2; so they try not to tackle poverty
12:43 schestowitz_TR2; but to make more laws to make the symptons go away
12:43 DaemonFC; It doesn't, though.
12:43 DaemonFC; It just puts them someplace else where it costs more than helping them would.
12:44 DaemonFC; Are there no prisons, no workhouses!?
12:44 schestowitz_TR2; not sure about ireland, which psydruid saw
12:44 DaemonFC; Ignore the moans, it's only gas.
12:44 schestowitz_TR2; but in recent years I see fewer homeless
12:44 schestowitz_TR2; than say 5 years ago
12:44 psydruid; is there #techrights-ru now?
12:44 schestowitz_TR2; maybe Manchester had some programmes for them
12:44 schestowitz_TR2; or maybe they die from OD
12:45 schestowitz_TR2; psydruid: nothing prevents that from rxisting
12:45 schestowitz_TR2; but few people here are from russia
12:45 psydruid; I think that would be a good place for posting articles about the war in Ukraine
12:46 psydruid; or #techpol or some other channel
12:46 schestowitz_TR2; and it's sad that techpol was occupied by an apologist of puitler and nazi germany
12:46 schestowitz_TR2; yes, techpol is in limbo
12:46 schestowitz_TR2; activelow might even be back
12:46 schestowitz_TR2; seems he did not kick people
12:47 schestowitz_TR2; he just de-registered
12:47 schestowitz_TR2; and as channel founder, ergoirc issued channel deprecation after thatr
12:49 TR News; Unified Patent Court (UPC) Noise: Loaded Headlines, Straw Man Arguments, and False Predictions as a Lobbying/Sales Strategy | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-straw-man-arguments/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-straw-man-arguments/
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12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
13:01 DaemonFC; https://www.cnet.com/reviews/bose-wave-pc-review/
13:01 DaemonFC; Bose also had some 30 pin and lightning docks that cost a small fortune.
13:01 DaemonFC; Won't stand the test of time any better than the Wave/PC, which needed a serial port and Windows XP software.
13:02 TR News; [Meme] Unified Patent Court (UPC) Always Started Next Year | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-false-predictions/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-false-predictions/
13:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, That damned thing cost $728 in adjusted dollars.
13:04 DaemonFC; ($449 in 2001)
13:05 DaemonFC; I picked up my refurb Wave IV for $278, which would be $168 in 2001.
13:06 DaemonFC; So the prices have actually fallen a lot, and we're back to the 3.5 mm jack which survived since the 1960s when all of this fad stuff like iPod docks went into the trash.
13:08 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/funny-pictures-5-30-22-21.jpg
13:28 XRevan86; matey: "how the FUCK is that "hate speech" when its against officials?" <- There were several instances when people got incarcerated for instilling hatred for a social group that is government officials.
13:29 XRevan86; "if you cant critciise the fucking government, free speech is TRULY broken" <- In Russia it is, and they're not even hiding it, it's a feature now.
13:32 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1533213316184690689
13:32 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1533303672930717697
13:33 XRevan86; matey: The PCLinuxOS writer that talks about social media shutting down his pro-war position would have been fined or jailed for an open and vocal anti-war position in Russia.
13:34 MinceR; he should just BFG putin
13:34 XRevan86; "if so, why did he say "hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel"" <- Because that's what Facebook allowed, nothing more, nothing less.
13:34 MinceR; wait, that's Makron, not Macron.
13:35 DaemonFC; Quake?
13:35 MinceR; Quake II
13:36 DaemonFC; Quake 4 at least turned out better than Doom 3.
13:36 XRevan86; They did that because *a lot* of people started violating the Hate Speech policy, so they made an exception to avoid banning all Ukrainians.
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13:36 SomeH4x0r; hi
13:37 XRevan86; It's a big talking point of Russia (and Meta was deemed an extremist organisation in Russia), so I'm not surprised it has so much focus from people like that.
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13:47 sergay; https://opensource.googleblog.com/2022/05/Build%20Open%20Silicon%20with%20Google.html give us your ideas will take it from here
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13:49 sergay; ^>.<^
13:49 psydruid; https://bits-chips.nl/artikel/ask-the-headhunter-29/
13:49 psydruid; and screw you in the process of getting there
13:53 schestowitz_TR2; sergay: yes, this is how they think
13:53 schestowitz_TR2; like Fedora "community"
13:53 schestowitz_TR2; "report bugs to us, then we'll sel you RHEL"
13:54 schestowitz_TR2; geeks as slaves
13:54 schestowitz_TR2; and then tthey tell us the word "master" is too offensive
13:54 schestowitz_TR2; because it describes what they are to us
13:58 MinceR; https://www.oglaf.com/carp/
13:58 TR News; "One of the biggest things I've noticed since spending more time on the small web is the sheer lack of boundaries many people have on social media. Spending more time on here and other obscure sites has really put a lot of things in perspective for me." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/996
13:59 DaemonFC; I think CDs are still big in Japan.
13:59 TR News; "Heya! I'm officially releasing an alpha build of a little application I've been writing called rpgsheet. It still needs work, but it's usable now so I'm going ahead and sharing it!" gemini://skylarhill.me/posts/rpgsheet-release.gmi
13:59 DaemonFC; Most of the new ones I see popping up that are any good say they were produced there.
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14:05 schestowitz_TR2; maybe existing cd drives arer still made thee
14:05 schestowitz_TR2; toshiba and sduch
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15:28 schestowitz_TR2; beeen readins som forums
15:28 schestowitz_TR2; seems like hdmi is dumber than i expected
15:28 schestowitz_TR2; it 'steal's sound
15:28 schestowitz_TR2; not just off the deviced
15:28 schestowitz_TR2; but also from the headphones/jack
15:29 schestowitz_TR2; so if you insert hdmi for picture only
15:29 schestowitz_TR2; it won't accept sound over the jack
15:29 schestowitz_TR2; it might be ok if you use vga
15:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
15:30 schestowitz_TR2; there is nothing in the monitor's settings to bypass this
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15:43 MinceR; depends on software
15:44 MinceR; i use HDMI a lot and most of the time play audio via other devices
15:44 MinceR; the only time i remember getting sound via HDMI was when i tried out RISC OS on a rpi
15:46 schestowitz_TR2; ssorry i did not explain well
15:46 schestowitz_TR2; \the issue is when you want to use the speakers on the monitor
15:46 schestowitz_TR2; and not over hdmi
15:46 schestowitz_TR2; evenn when hdmi is cnnected
15:46 schestowitz_TR2; i have just tested this with rianne's machine and a different monitors
15:46 schestowitz_TR2; same oioutcome
15:46 MinceR; speakers built into the monitor?
15:47 schestowitz_TR2; yes
15:47 schestowitz_TR2; very common
15:47 MinceR; i see
15:47 MinceR; i usually avoid using those, as they tend to be low quality
15:47 schestowitz_TR2; for some compliance or ceritificatipn
15:47 schestowitz_TR2; not good speakers
15:47 schestowitz_TR2; i want headphones and out to play at the same time
15:47 schestowitz_TR2; pulseaudio does not make it possible
15:48 schestowitz_TR2; did not checj JACK
15:48 schestowitz_TR2; but multiplexer(physical) makes it possible
15:52 TR News; European Software Patents Cannot Withstand Scrutiny, EPO Management Wants Kangaroo Courts (UPC) to Change That | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/kangaroo-courts-swpats/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/kangaroo-courts-swpats/
15:56 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> there is nothing in the monitor's settings to bypass this <- why would it be a monitor setting?
15:56 matey; monitor doesnt usually change the resolution either (xrandr)
15:56 schestowitz_TR2; because:
15:56 schestowitz_TR2; 1)t they have the same for visual input
15:56 matey; nope
15:57 schestowitz_TR2; (vga/dvi/hdmi
15:57 schestowitz_TR2; 2) it would be useful to some people or use cases
15:57 matey; well yeah, because you can have two live inputs going to the monitor
15:57 matey; so it needs to select which one it shows
15:57 matey; like ive connected dvi and vga to the same monitor
15:58 matey; if you turn one off, it switches automatically
15:58 matey; but if both are on, how would it know unless its a monitor setting
15:58 matey; it would be useful to some people or use cases <- it could also make cole slaw
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15:59 TR News; "there isn't really a built-in mechanism through which you would be made aware whether your work is being noticed or not, and that's by design. I don't know how common this is, but I don't find it to require much effort to keep up with everything that shows up on the main CAPCOM/spacewalk instances so I keep up with it regularly." gemini://sakurina.flounder.online/20201006r.gmi
15:59 matey; /me grabs an hdmi cable
15:59 matey; i dont prefer hdmi at all, but i still have this because sometimes its useful
16:00 TR News; "Lack of willpower is our brains way of protecting us from overwork" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/doing-it
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16:00 matey; /me connects it to this same monitor
16:01 TR News; SpellBinding: DYORSUL Wordo: NOOKS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-06-05.gmi
16:02 matey; also i used to have a raspberry spy
16:03 MinceR; my sony bluetooth speaker also turns off its bluetooth capability if there's a cable plugged into its analog AUX input
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16:04 matey; my sony bluetooth speaker also turns off its bluetooth capability if there's a cable plugged into its analog AUX input <- yeah, before i got some nice little dj monitors
16:04 matey; which make FUCKING AWESOME powered pc speakers
16:05 matey; i had to settle for a piece of shit bluetooth speaker that-- i refuse to buy speakers that cant use a lead
16:05 matey; so its exactly the same as yours in this respect. bluetooth disabled when you plug cable in
16:05 matey; but i consider that a feature
16:06 matey; didnt really want bluetooth in the thing at all
16:06 matey; so another machine is now connected to this monitor with hdmi
16:07 matey; a laptop at that
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16:10 MinceR; i have very little room in that room
16:10 matey; /me connects dj speakers via the headphone jack
16:10 MinceR; but i'm thinking of replacing that bluetooth speaker with a soundbar
16:11 matey; i simply do not like bluetooth
16:11 matey; and im not in love with speakers that are designed in a way that misses the point of why there are two channels in the first place
16:12 matey; because two ears, dipshits. so aiming the speakers 180 degress away from each other-- duh
16:12 matey; why not have a monitor that shows half the picture on one side...
16:12 matey; and half on the other?
16:12 matey; oh! because monitors are thankfully not designed like many bluetooth speakers
16:16 MinceR; http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=2432
16:16 matey; now
16:16 matey; mplayer is playing sound
16:16 matey; hdmi shows the picture
16:16 MinceR; some of that stuff is designed to work with bouncing sound off the walls
16:16 matey; and the sound is coming out (over the headphone jack) to the dj monitors
16:17 matey; so no, hdmi does not "steal" the sound
16:17 matey; rather it provides an audio device that sound can play to
16:17 matey; and its up to the operating system (not the monitor) to figure out where the sound goes
16:18 matey; i might add that "configuration" consisted of connecting the cables and-- thats it
16:18 MinceR; that was not schestowitz_TR2's problem
16:18 MinceR; his problem was that the monitor was unwilling to play audio on its built-in speakers coming from its analog audio input as long as it was connected via HDMI
16:19 XRevan86; That's of course the monitor's fault.
16:19 matey; then i understood him correctly
16:19 matey; coming from its analog audio input <- guys, thats via the headphone jack, at least historically
16:20 matey; the analog audio input for a monitor connects to what?
16:20 XRevan86; But I don't understand the configuration all that well.
16:20 matey; ive had monitors with that feature
16:21 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> seems like hdmi is dumber than i expected
16:21 matey; #techrights : 06/05/22 14:28 <schestowitz_TR2> it 'steal's sound
16:21 matey; i believe he means it prevents his headphone jack from working
16:21 XRevan86; The monitor, when connected to HDMI, doesn't take any sound to output from the JACK?
16:22 matey; JACK is an audio (software) plugboard
16:22 matey; the jack (the headphone "port") is what hes complaining about, i believe
16:22 XRevan86; 3.5mm
16:22 matey; right
16:22 matey; and mine is working fine
16:22 matey; because its not part of hdmi to "steal" the audio
16:22 matey; its up to the os
16:22 XRevan86; matey: Ye also have a monitor with a 3.5mm jack and an HDMI port?
16:23 matey; Ye also have a monitor with a 3.5mm jack <- i have before. but what difference does it make to this
16:23 XRevan86; matey: It might decide to only take information from one port at a time.
16:23 matey; whether the headphone jack (output) connects to speakers glued to the monitor, or any other speakers
16:23 XRevan86; And if it's bad enough, not even allow to re-configure that.
16:23 matey; It might decide to only take information from one port at a time. <- maybe, however
16:24 matey; in my experience at least, the speakers on the monitor arent that smart
16:24 matey; and the monitor (controls) dont control the sound anyway
16:24 XRevan86; In my experience the speakers on the monitor are such it's better to not have any.
16:24 matey; yeah but wanting them to work when theyre needed isnt unreasonable
16:25 matey; its clear that roy blamed hdmi, youre faulting his monitor
16:25 XRevan86; yes
16:25 XRevan86; It's not HDMI's fault for being capable to transfer sound.
16:25 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> seems like hdmi is dumber than i expected
16:26 sergay; https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2022/06/03/bsa_criticizes_cert_in_rules/ The Bull Shit Allegiance
16:26 matey; <XRevan86> It's not HDMI's fault for being capable to transfer sound. <- thats exactly the point im making by connecting my laptop to hdmi and connecting speakers to my headphone jack, and having it work the way i want
16:26 XRevan86; It's a bus, it transmissions what is being told to it.
16:26 matey; mmhmm
16:26 matey; but roy blamed hdmi
16:26 matey; my point was this isnt hdmis doung
16:26 matey; doing
16:26 XRevan86; Same.
16:26 sergay; https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/03/bsa_criticizes_cert_in_rules/
16:27 matey; im not really a fan of hdmi
16:27 XRevan86; It's a patent trap after all.
16:27 matey; i prefer simplicity, and hdmi fails there
16:27 matey; but for a rasp spy what are the options?
16:27 XRevan86; And a DRM trap as well.
16:27 matey; yeah
16:27 matey; so when someone gave me a rasp spy i bought it a cable so i could connect it to my monitor
16:28 matey; its a cheap cable too, cheap enough that if it didnt work id say "eh, cheap cable"
16:28 matey; and not be all that surprised
16:28 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165645
16:29 matey; stealing your audio is not how hdmi works though
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16:30 sergay; STFU
16:30 schestowitz_TR2; ?
16:30 matey; as evidenced by the fact that i just plugged in speakers into my headphone jack, connected the monitor to hdmi and it still works
16:31 schestowitz_TR2; I got my laptop working through headphones and speakers at the same time
16:31 matey; <sergay> ksh: STFU: not found
16:31 schestowitz_TR2; but with LennartAudio I could not find such an option
16:31 matey; but with LennartAudio I could not find such an option <- maybe we found the culprit
16:31 matey; either way its not hdmi
16:31 schestowitz_TR2; and a monitor I bought in 2011 off the display counter is used for sound
16:31 matey; yeah ive done that before
16:31 schestowitz_TR2; even before PA I don't recall it being possible
16:31 matey; it connects to your headphone jack, yes?
16:31 schestowitz_TR2; yes
16:32 schestowitz_TR2; and thhen splits off physically
16:32 matey; so basically its just a set of powered speakers for your headphone jack
16:32 schestowitz_TR2; I did the same 20+ years ago
16:32 matey; which are physically attached to your monitor
16:32 sergay; i get internet from HDMI
16:32 matey; I did the same 20+ years ago <- yeah it was a packard bell monitor i had with these things
16:32 schestowitz_TR2; hdmi is drm trasnsport
16:32 matey; and like mincer says, crappy speakers
16:32 schestowitz_TR2; it can work without drm too
16:32 schestowitz_TR2; but that's not what it is for
16:32 matey; but sometimes those are the ones that arent being used
16:33 matey; it can work without drm too <- it seems to. i guess
16:33 XRevan86; PipeWire (with qpwgraph as UI for instance) can pipe different applications to different outputs.
16:33 sergay; drm only "works" with nvidea
16:33 schestowitz_TR2; you can get hdmi clables for one pound
16:33 schestowitz_TR2; not very good ones
16:33 schestowitz_TR2; but they don't last very long
16:33 matey; yeah id rather pay a few pounds for an hdmi cable
16:34 schestowitz_TR2; if you saw the specs, it's probbaly proprietary can of worms
16:34 matey; but when i bought one for my spy i got the one they were selling
16:34 XRevan86; It's very easy to tell one application to go to HDMI with the default being internal audio / 3.5mm jack
16:34 schestowitz_TR2; with secrets and nda to 'protect' the 'protected' 'content'
16:34 matey; which cost a few pounds (or the equivalent)
16:34 XRevan86; I don't think internal audio and 3.5mm jack can be discriminated.
16:34 XRevan86; But HDMI and Bluetooth can.
16:35 schestowitz_TR2; I've just retrieved some old music
16:35 matey; I don't think internal audio and 3.5mm jack can be discriminated. <- i think its at least theoretically possible these days
16:35 schestowitz_TR2; going back two decades plus
16:35 XRevan86; matey: Maybe on different hardware.
16:35 matey; but whether any software is designed to do it
16:35 matey; maybe
16:35 matey; on older hardware i think its impossible
16:36 matey; on newer hardware i think it depends. sometimes.
16:36 XRevan86; I have Intel HD sound.
16:36 matey; i think headphone jacks have moved in the same direction
16:37 sergay; i cant tell the difrence between hdmi and vga on my monitor
16:37 XRevan86; sergay: That means your monitor is not great.
16:37 sergay; are you sure?
16:38 sergay; well its 1080p
16:39 sergay; i just use vga cause its snappyer
16:39 XRevan86; sergay: 1080p is pretty much the maximum VGA can do.
16:39 sergay; you cant tell the difrence
16:40 matey; <sergay> you cant tell the difrence <- maybe the issue is the graphics card
16:40 sergay; the only thing is you dont get sound of the monitor
16:40 XRevan86; https://bluecinetech.co.uk/vga-max-resolution/ found an article
16:40 TR Bot; VGA Max Resolution: Is VGA Capable of 1080p and HD? - Blue Cine Tech
16:41 XRevan86; "the only thing is you dont get sound of the monitor" <- No, that's the difference between *DVI* and HDMI.
16:41 sergay; you could if you pluggin some cable
16:41 sergay; BS theres DVI with sound
16:41 sergay; theres no vga with sound
16:42 XRevan86; Oh, right, there is.
16:43 sergay; the monitor has mic
16:43 sergay; i think
16:43 XRevan86; Questionable solution, it's not like anyone is going to position their mouth right next to the monitor.
16:43 sergay; but the thing is you cant tell vga from hdmi !:)
16:44 XRevan86; I guess it's better than a laptop-integrated microphone, so not too terrible.
16:44 sergay; mic jack you idiot
16:44 matey; it's not like anyone is going to position their mouth right next to the monitor. <- *picks up the mouse* "hello, computer!"
16:45 XRevan86; "you idiot" <- I was supposed to know that in your terminology "mic jack" means "3.5mm jack used either for speakers or a microphone"
16:45 sergay; it's not like anyone is going to position their mouth right next to the monitor > laptops have mic on the monitor screen
16:45 sergay; XRevan86 are you geting everything wrong on pourpose?
16:46 matey; /me doesnt know why chunky changes nicks so often
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16:47 sergay; must be something to do with politics
16:48 XRevan86; Right, I'll leave you be.
16:48 sergay; politics = DRM
16:49 XRevan86; VGA is the best port to connect a digital monitor.
16:49 sergay; s/politics/policys
16:49 sergay; why?
16:50 XRevan86; Sounds dumb, doesn't it?
16:50 sergay; just cause it sounds doesnt mean it is
16:51 sergay; in reality its working the same from were im siting
16:52 sergay; i tried both ways and couldn't tell any difference?
16:54 sergay; and this way i got hdmi port free if i want to watch something on big TV
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16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
16:59 sergay; ipfs is the new gulag
17:07 matey; /me points out what http://techrights.org/wiki/High-Priority_Opponents
17:07 TR Bot; High-Priority Opponents - Techrights
17:07 matey; neatly sidesteps
17:08 matey; /me is sure people here can see / have seen major threats that were left out
17:08 schestowitz_TR2; it's a very partial list
17:09 schestowitz_TR2; limited to internet-type things
17:09 matey; heh
17:09 matey; limited to things that were already true in 2017-2018
17:09 matey; imo the worst has happened since
17:10 matey; dont get me wrong, the stuff that is on the list belongs there
17:10 matey; and its very hard to make anything entirely comprehensive
17:11 matey; youd sort of need a second universe to describe the first one
17:11 matey; but theres a "shape" to whats left out, and imo no justification for that limit in scope
17:11 matey; it simply reflects what techrights cant bring itself to talk about sincerely
17:12 matey; just like it took forever to get systemd right
17:12 matey; in a few years, maybe it will talk about whats happened in a way that reflects what has actually happened
17:13 matey; but just like its too late to save gnu/linux from the systemd takeover
17:13 schestowitz; https://video.chalec.org/w/5Y338qZDJvBakEDmoY4jDe
17:13 schestowitz; "
17:13 schestowitz; FR : Actuellement en phase de test.
17:13 schestowitz; EN : Currently in testing.
17:13 schestowitz; RU :
17:13 schestowitz; "
17:13 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://video.chalec.org/w/5Y338qZDJvBakEDmoY4jDe )
17:13 matey; rofl
17:14 schestowitz_TR2; francophonie rms
17:14 sergay; bye bye world
17:14 matey; mmhmm
17:14 matey; maybe he says things in french that he wont bother to say in english
17:14 XRevan86; bye, sergay
17:14 matey; its nice that he found a venue other than lieplanet
17:15 schestowitz_TR2; i cannot reach french
17:15 schestowitz_TR2; but this french group seems very keen on freedom
17:15 matey; but the way hes been stifled, he could go to the moon and have the same problem he has in boston
17:15 schestowitz_TR2; april is very quiet
17:15 sergay; PeerTube
17:15 sergay; JavaScript required
17:15 schestowitz_TR2; their rss feed barely updates once a month for english
17:15 matey; april has always been pretty quiet, sadly
17:16 schestowitz_TR2; I recall them being more vocal around 2010
17:16 schestowitz_TR2; when jeremie was more active in politics
17:16 matey; everyone was more vocal around 2010
17:16 schestowitz_TR2; then he went mamut and toot
17:17 schestowitz_TR2; matey: true also
17:17 schestowitz_TR2; on the Net anyway
17:17 matey; on the net
17:17 matey; at least
17:17 schestowitz_TR2; seems many people increasingly got muzzled by fake social fake media
17:17 matey; that too
17:17 schestowitz_TR2; and then it shuts down
17:17 schestowitz_TR2; digg, icentica, and the domino bticks still fall
17:18 matey; i feel ive missed nothing since leavign the shitiverse
17:18 schestowitz_TR2; after joindiaspora it'll be twitter for sure, maybe not in that order of sequence
17:18 schestowitz_TR2; mastodon is barely growing
17:18 matey; after joindiaspora it'll be twitter for sure <- i thought it would be fun to see it turn into musker
17:18 schestowitz_TR2; iirc, irc turns 35 next year
17:19 schestowitz_TR2; sandbag is leaving FB
17:19 schestowitz_TR2; or got ousted
17:19 schestowitz_TR2; which means FB is really hot on gasoline
17:19 sergay; whats that video about?
17:19 schestowitz_TR2; just strike a match
17:19 schestowitz_TR2; matey: seems he realised twitter is a dud
17:19 schestowitz_TR2; or he never meant to buy anyway
17:19 schestowitz_TR2; sure got a ton of free publicity out of a 2 paragraph letter
17:20 matey; yep "IRC was created by Jarkko Oikarinen in August 1988"
17:20 sergay; hes a freind of linus?
17:20 schestowitz_TR2; irc does not get bloated like 'social' 'media'
17:20 schestowitz_TR2; adds a bit of unicide
17:20 schestowitz_TR2; the /history stuff from ircv3 is not imposed
17:21 schestowitz_TR2; backward compatible with the simpest irc stuff
17:21 schestowitz_TR2; same in gemin i
17:21 sergay; irc does not get bloated like 'social' 'media' LOL
17:21 schestowitz_TR2; any capsule is accessible to anything
17:21 matey; i dunno, i think someh4x0r has reason to be concerned
17:21 matey; but
17:21 matey; i would say irc is possibly (maybe) like unix
17:21 schestowitz_TR2; the www became "must cookie " must workers" "must JS" ...
17:21 schestowitz_TR2; so it's no longer pretending to eb a spec for a browser
17:21 matey; in that a lot of people will go the gnu/linux/systemd route and fuck it up royally
17:21 schestowitz_TR2; or two browsers controlled by gulag
17:22 schestowitz_TR2; esp. ther "worker" parts
17:22 schestowitz_TR2; webassembly and all
17:22 matey; and some people (the openbsd of irc) will stick closer to the original
17:22 schestowitz_TR2; DRM/EME
17:22 schestowitz_TR2; the web is a laughing stock these days
17:22 matey; even if most irc becomes a bloated mess, which could happen
17:22 schestowitz_TR2; it's not even pretnding to be standard
17:22 matey; the web is a laughing stock these days <- yep
17:22 schestowitz_TR2; chrome is not a web browsr
17:22 schestowitz_TR2; chrome is an application/virtual machines
17:22 schestowitz_TR2; the www/html is just a transport layer for this application
17:22 sergay; the web = google
17:22 schestowitz_TR2; to pass around data
17:22 matey; virtual machines?
17:22 schestowitz_TR2; like binaries
17:23 sergay; the web = google
17:23 schestowitz_TR2; matey: akin to
17:23 sergay; i cant find nay page it doesnt link to google
17:23 schestowitz_TR2; look into the latest undocumented specs
17:23 schestowitz_TR2; they ship byecodes and stuff
17:23 matey; where are the undocumented specs documented?
17:23 schestowitz_TR2; the web turnhed from "let's make this work using standards"
17:23 schestowitz_TR2; intoo:
17:24 schestowitz_TR2; "let's make these "standards" suit the needs of this application"
17:24 schestowitz_TR2; so now you can run an OS like win95 in the 'browser'
17:24 schestowitz_TR2; 30 million lines of code and fast growing
17:24 schestowitz_TR2; to impplement a 'satndard
17:24 schestowitz_TR2; reminds me of OOXML
17:25 schestowitz_TR2; the devs don't work to standarsds
17:25 schestowitz_TR2; they work WITH framewowrks
17:25 matey; the fact that js is turing complete meant all it had to do was become fast enough
17:25 schestowitz_TR2; those frameworks are tested for compatibility
17:25 matey; and this was a possibility
17:25 schestowitz_TR2; no standard compliance
17:25 schestowitz_TR2; they test against software
17:25 schestowitz_TR2; not specs
17:26 schestowitz_TR2; even the js gets obfuscatd a lot
17:26 schestowitz_TR2; they say for performance
17:26 schestowitz_TR2; on 10Mbit/sec connection
17:26 sergay; you can mine bitcoin using the web
17:26 schestowitz_TR2; while they ship 2MB font files
17:26 schestowitz_TR2; go to google.com
17:26 schestowitz_TR2; press view source
17:26 schestowitz_TR2; and tell me if that "code" makes sense
17:26 matey; im sure it does help performance
17:27 matey; it is unfortunate that they push js into tasks where the performance different matters
17:27 schestowitz_TR2; sergay: passing the electirc bilsl to you
17:27 schestowitz_TR2; using the breoser
17:27 matey; i would say bloat has no place on the web
17:27 schestowitz_TR2; and you don't even know what the heck it does
17:27 schestowitz_TR2; it just... does.. something
17:27 matey; in the way that icebergs have no business getting in front of luxury liners
17:27 sergay; https://coinexpansion.com/best-free-bitcoin-mining-sites/
17:27 TR Bot; 10 Best Free Bitcoin Mining Sites To Earn Free BTC
17:28 matey; there really was no golden age of javascript
17:28 matey; it nearly lept straight from mediocrity to dystopia
17:28 schestowitz_TR2; no, there was not
17:28 schestowitz_TR2; 20+ years ago I evenm tried vbscript
17:28 schestowitz_TR2; not for long
17:28 schestowitz_TR2; just an experiment in my site
17:28 schestowitz_TR2; then JS
17:28 schestowitz_TR2; you could do some OK things with it
17:28 schestowitz_TR2; like choose a quote at random
17:28 matey; again, turing complete
17:28 schestowitz_TR2; now we have frameworks
17:29 schestowitz_TR2; and people addd 1MB of code just to render some little bouncing ball whiloe you wait
17:29 matey; yep
17:29 schestowitz_TR2; (you also needed to wait for that 1MB of code)
17:29 schestowitz_TR2; and then they send you a font for the headline
17:29 schestowitz_TR2; for 5 words and 30 chaarcters
17:29 schestowitz_TR2; for that your router and computers work hard
17:29 schestowitz_TR2; and the exchanges also
17:29 matey; the fonts bother me more than the js
17:29 schestowitz_TR2; and the datacentres
17:29 schestowitz_TR2; and then you render glyphcs
17:30 schestowitz_TR2; get ready for the third CPU core to kick in
17:30 schestowitz_TR2; so you can appreciate the headline's font
17:30 sergay; anf people talk bad about flash
17:30 schestowitz_TR2; instead of just using some font you already have
17:30 schestowitz_TR2; and which you like more
17:30 matey; im not sure i have a 3rd cpu
17:30 schestowitz_TR2; sergay: flash won
17:30 schestowitz_TR2; it became the Web
17:30 schestowitz_TR2; the web became flash
17:30 sergay; now its all flash sites with out flash
17:30 schestowitz_TR2; and now it's called w33c
17:30 schestowitz_TR2; activescript
17:30 matey; i might only have 2 physical cores on my fastest machine
17:31 matey; but there are more virtual cores
17:31 schestowitz_TR2; ActionScripot I meant
17:31 schestowitz; "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActionScript
17:31 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Scripting
17:31 schestowitz; I worked with Flash in 2000
17:31 schestowitz; it was just some IDE
17:31 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActionScript )
17:32 schestowitz; mostly visual
17:32 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Scripting )
17:32 schestowitz; the swf files were small
17:32 sergay; TechrightsBot-tr BYE BYE WORLD
17:32 schestowitz; but you could get nothing indexed
17:32 schestowitz; gulag did try to index that at one point
17:32 schestowitz; with today's "Web" it cannot do that either
17:32 schestowitz; or barely
17:32 schestowitz; link deep linking into "webapps"
17:34 schestowitz_TR2; *like
17:34 matey; IRC was used to report on the 1991 Soviet coup d'tat attempt throughout a media blackout.[9] It was previously used in a similar fashion during the Gulf War.
17:35 schestowitz_TR2; dial modem age
17:35 sergay; 1991 was pottin
17:35 schestowitz_TR2; irc scales ok with that
17:35 matey; Another fork effort, the first that made a lasting difference, was initiated by "Wildthang" in the United States in October 1992. (It forked off the EFnet ircd version 2.8.10). It was meant to be just a test network to develop bots on but it quickly grew to a network "for friends and their friends".
17:35 matey; i used irc on dialup of course
17:36 matey; in dos
17:36 schestowitz_TR2; I did not on dos
17:36 schestowitz_TR2; what did you use to dial up in dos?
17:36 schestowitz_TR2; bbs eras?
17:36 matey; The "undernetters" wanted to take ircd further in an attempt to make it use less bandwidth and to try to sort out the channel chaos (netsplits and takeovers) that EFnet started to suffer from. For the latter purpose, the Undernet implemented timestamps, new routing and offered the CServicea program that allowed users to register channels and then attempted to protect them from troublemakers.
17:36 schestowitz_TR2; winmodems were the way to bring residential market to the web
17:36 matey; what did you use to dial up in dos? <- arachne
17:36 schestowitz_TR2; post 1991
17:37 matey; it had its own dialer
17:37 *schestowitz_TR2 never used command line dialer
17:37 matey; winmodems <- i had an external
17:38 matey; never used command line dialer <- arachne had a graphical ui, including its config
17:38 matey; not command line
17:38 matey; but it ran without windows
17:38 schestowitz_TR2; needs some multitasking
17:38 matey; no
17:39 matey; i mean dos could do tsr and the modem connection is done with hardware
17:39 matey; so while the modem stays connected, a non-multitasking os can read from the modem when it wants to
17:39 matey; its like saying you need multitasking have a mouse cursor
17:40 matey; to have a mouse cursor
17:40 schestowitz_TR2; fair point
17:41 matey; at any rate, dos can shell to another application
17:41 sergay; why does apt goes thru the upfating procedure even if there are no new packets to upgrade?
17:41 matey; if you have enough ram, you can run qbasic from qbasic:
17:41 sergay; thats just idiotic
17:42 matey; shell "qbasic" ' run qbasic from qbasic
17:42 matey; arachne could run an irc program
17:42 TR News; Phoronix is run by Microbel, giving free marketing to a YEARS-OLD piece of crap from Microsoft that nobody but Microsoft uses https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=CBL-Mariner-2.0.20220527
17:42 TR Bot; Ships Big Update To Their CBL-Mariner 2.0 Linux Distribution - Phoronix
17:42 matey; arachne was still running, but you couldnt "switch back" to it until the irc program ended
17:43 matey; when i say it was still running, thats sort of a misnomer. it couldnt "do" anything while it was running an irc program
17:43 matey; just like if you run qbasic from qbasic, you cant "switch back" to the first qb without ending the second one
17:43 matey; but dos was capable of this
17:43 TR News; I do remember this (20 years ago): "I certainly don't miss the days when one needed to modify their xorg.conf and jump through hurdles just to enable multi-monitor support on Linux before display hot-plugging worked..." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Phoronix-18
17:43 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Phoronix-18 )
17:43 matey; on the other hand, borland had a tsr that you could bring up at any time with a hotkey
17:44 schestowitz_TR2; SomeH4x0r was born about 3 days before phoronix
17:44 schestowitz_TR2; and 8 days before tuxmachines
17:44 matey; sidekick i think it was called
17:44 matey; SomeH4x0r was born about 3 days before phoronix <- and 8 days before tuxmachines <- yep
17:45 schestowitz_TR2; sidekick was a failing phone microsoft ruined
17:45 schestowitz_TR2; from danger
17:45 schestowitz_TR2; maybe they also ruins the word/brand
17:45 schestowitz_TR2; they like stealing other companies' name
17:45 schestowitz_TR2; if they can get away with it
17:45 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borland_Sidekick
17:45 TR Bot; Borland Sidekick - Wikipedia
17:45 sergay; with that nick he should be 16 in 1999
17:46 matey; Borland Sidekick was a personal information manager (PIM) launched by American software company Borland in 1984 under Philippe Kahn's leadership. It was an early and popular terminate and stay resident program (TSR) for MS-DOS which enabled computer users to activate the program using a hot key combination
17:46 matey; i think i had it set up to use both shift keys
17:46 matey; the default is ctrl-alt and thats shit
17:46 matey; calling it a "personal information manager" is nearly misleading
17:47 matey; it was an editor, a calculator, a lot of utilities you might use in dos one at a time, or together in a multitasking environment
17:47 matey; for example, i could (if i wanted) do all my text editing and coding in sidekick
17:47 matey; this wasnt my preference, but it was a nice option
17:48 matey; you could be working on something, hit shift-shift, then add something to the text editor and "close" it again, at which point it wasnt really closed
17:48 matey; not bad, for dos
17:48 matey; one of the cooler programs i used prior to windows
17:49 matey; According to Philippe Kahn, Borland did not originally intend to sell Sidekick. It developed the utility to assist the small company's employees.
17:49 matey; Sidekick 1.0 Plus included a broader selection of calculators (Business, Scientific, Programmer, Formula), a 9-file Notepad text editor, Appointment Book and Scheduler, a terminal communication tool and ASCII Table. In addition to variants on and enhancements to the 1.0 features, Plus included a 9-file Outliner, q file and directory manager, Clipboard, and supported Expanded Memory and a RAM disk.
17:50 matey; the lead ultimately took it with him when he left, founded a company that worked on it further, then sold to motorola
17:50 matey; the windows version even synced with a palm
17:51 matey; so maybe thats why they call it a personal information manager
17:51 matey; at one point i got one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timex_Datalink
17:51 TR Bot; Timex Datalink - Wikipedia
17:51 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165646
17:51 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
17:52 matey; but apart from the main feature being utterly awesome, i really had no use for it (really)
17:52 TR News; [GIT PULL] USB / Thunderbolt driver updates for 5.19-rc1 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YpnhBp%2Fnzjpz+Pxr@kroah.com/T/#u Source: greg kroah
17:52 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] USB / Thunderbolt driver updates for 5.19-rc1
17:52 matey; it couldnt hold much data, and i wasnt enough of a pimp in those years to NEED a contact list in my watch
17:52 matey; though i did have one
17:52 TR News; [GIT PULL] Char/Misc driver updates 5.19-rc1 - Greg KH https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YpnmYB8SN5dPweLV@kroah.com/ Source: greg kroah
17:52 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] Char/Misc driver updates 5.19-rc1 - Greg KH
17:53 matey; it probably made sense for some (dorky) exec types
17:53 TR News; UPC or Unitary Patent became a laughing stock because of repeated, seemingly endless, false predictions (some law firms stand to profit from such predictions) http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-false-predictions/
17:53 TR Bot; [Meme] Unified Patent Court (UPC) Always Started Next Year | Techrights
17:53 TR News; Were trying to tackle misconceptions and mythology, e.g. whatever surrounds the concept or perception of patents, the Web as an open platform, and social control media as communication tool (or social or media); Techrights is entering another phase with more scarce resources such as time http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/techrights-vs-misconceptions/
17:53 TR Bot; Readjusting for the Coming Decade | Techrights
17:53 matey; it was an interesting precursor to the smartwatch
17:54 TR News; Despite the EPO pressing on with totally illegal agenda, based on deliberate falsehoods, Team UPC must get rather creative and distract from real issues using phony ones alongside bogus, baseless predictions and what they hope can become self-fulfilling prophecies (in the face of severe legal and constitutional obstacles) http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-straw-man-arguments/
17:54 TR Bot; Unified Patent Court (UPC) Noise: Loaded Headlines, Straw Man Arguments, and False Predictions as a Lobbying/Sales Strategy | Techrights
17:54 matey; " It is the first watch capable of downloading information wirelessly from a computer."
17:54 TR News; EPO corruption has become very prevalent because todays sole goal is to grant as many patents as possible, then congratulate oneself having granted unlawful and legally-invalid European Patents by the millions; the same people who destroyed the patent office are still trying to do the same to patent courts http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/kangaroo-courts-swpats/
17:54 TR Bot; European Software Patents Cannot Withstand Scrutiny, EPO Management Wants Kangaroo Courts (UPC) to Change That | Techrights
17:55 matey; considering that bluetooth didnt exist it was an interesting solution
17:55 matey; i must have not hated microsoft as much at the time. not only did they require windows...
17:55 matey; (3x or 9x)
17:56 matey; "These early models were, at the time of their introduction, the only watches to bear the Microsoft logo."
17:56 matey; i no longer have it
17:56 TR News; "prestigious organisations such as Microsoft, Bugcrowd and Google." It says prestigious as if Pentagon contractor that commit crimes and kill people is the hallmark of "prestige" https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/575419294/viettel-experts-win-at-world-s-leading-cyber-attack-contest
17:56 TR Bot; Viettelexperts winat worlds leading cyber-attack contest - EIN Presswire
17:57 sergay; https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/canonical-hiring-gaming-engineer-for-ubuntu canonical needs to be cool again
17:57 TR Bot; Canonical is Recruiting Devs for 'Ubuntu Gaming' Team - OMG! Ubuntu!
17:57 schestowitz_TR2; reactionarey
17:57 schestowitz_TR2; they realise shitting on the community for a decade means ubuntu is losing users
17:57 schestowitz_TR2; to other distros
17:58 schestowitz_TR2; Mark S (MS) mistook the microsoft "shareholders community" for the Ubuntu "community"
17:58 matey; With the advent of portable computers which use active matrix LCD screens which did not refresh like CRT monitors and therefore could not be used for data transfer,[23] in 1997, Timex introduced a notebook adapter that incorporated a red LED and connected with the laptop through the serial port. During download, the LED flashed and the flashing programmed the watch much like the horizontal bars of the CRT.
17:59 matey; Mark S (MS) mistook the microsoft "shareholders community" for the Ubuntu "community" <- it wouldnt be his first mistake of such magnitude
17:59 schestowitz_TR2; neglecting what you claim to stand for is a risky gambit
17:59 schestowitz_TR2; ask microbel
18:00 matey; neglecting what you claim to stand for is a risky gambit
18:00 matey; :>
18:00 schestowitz_TR2; http://phoronix.com/
18:00 TR Bot; Hardware Reviews, Open-Source Benchmarks & Linux Performance - Phoronix
18:00 schestowitz_TR2; "Support Phoronix
18:00 schestowitz_TR2; While Having Ad-Free Browsing,
18:00 schestowitz_TR2; Single-Page Article Viewing"
18:00 schestowitz_TR2; AMD already supports Phoronix
18:00 schestowitz_TR2; and other companies do too
18:01 schestowitz_TR2; yo get articles in exchange for something
18:01 matey; "our sponsors have purchsed our integrity. now you can subsidise them"
18:01 schestowitz_TR2; it wasn't alwatys this bad
18:01 schestowitz_TR2; one CPU, fine
18:01 matey; same model as the new fsf
18:01 schestowitz_TR2; but they went way too far
18:01 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
18:01 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
18:02 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> it wasn't alwatys this bad <- this i believe
18:02 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2022/05/10/sponsored-by-amd/
18:02 TR Bot; Peak AMD | Techrights
18:02 matey; but imo phoronix was always open source
18:02 matey; and as such, it has gotten substantially worse over time
18:02 schestowitz_TR2; not as bad as some
18:02 schestowitz_TR2; phoronix is covering gnu also
18:02 matey; sure
18:02 schestowitz_TR2; but sadly github too
18:02 matey; whats left of it
18:02 schestowitz_TR2; and microsoft in recent years]
18:02 schestowitz_TR2; mono a decade ago
18:02 schestowitz_TR2; but not so often
18:03 schestowitz_TR2; and it's not alone
18:03 matey; no
18:03 schestowitz_TR2; LF actually feeds some site off its palm... to promote github and similar
18:03 matey; lf of course, is the most fraud you can get without it being hauled in for fraud
18:03 schestowitz_TR2; christine hall sold out
18:03 schestowitz_TR2; she used to condemn LF
18:03 matey; christine hall sold out <- in more ways than one
18:03 schestowitz_TR2; now she works on their payroll indirectly and more directly
18:04 schestowitz_TR2; they decide what to write about
18:04 schestowitz_TR2; and sometimes ICBM
18:04 matey; there seems to be precious little left other than shilling
18:04 schestowitz_TR2; Michael Sean-Kerner did not sell out as badly
18:04 schestowitz_TR2; he did joke about LKF
18:05 schestowitz_TR2; and he knows LF is junk
18:05 schestowitz_TR2; but he's not selling himself to them
18:05 schestowitz_TR2; just the occasional fluff
18:05 schestowitz_TR2; SJVN is coin-operated most of the time
18:05 schestowitz_TR2; SPAMnil is SPAM operation
18:05 schestowitz_TR2; marketing spam and bot manipulations
18:06 schestowitz_TR2; his site got x10 more traffic when it was muktware
18:06 schestowitz_TR2; groklaw threw in the towel without selling out AT ALL
18:07 schestowitz_TR2; which is at least something you can respect
18:07 matey; yeah
18:07 matey; just like a lawyer though
18:07 matey; i mean, she could have looked into better tech like the rest of us did
18:07 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/the-linux-foundation-politics/
18:07 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation Has Turned Its Blog (and the Linux.com Web Site) Into Politics (Updated) | Techrights
18:07 schestowitz; LF should rename
18:07 matey; but lawyers really DONT do that sort of thing
18:07 schestowitz; the D&I Foundation
18:08 matey; theyre the last respected breed of luddite
18:08 schestowitz; so they can troll FSF
18:08 matey; building igloos of papers and living in them
18:08 matey; maybe "respected" should be in quotes
18:08 schestowitz_TR2; that's SFC
18:08 matey; but there are a couple good ones
18:09 schestowitz_TR2; SFC = paper and money
18:09 schestowitz_TR2; accounting and lawyering
18:09 schestowitz_TR2; and at lekast they ended copyleft.conf
18:09 matey; shilling for corporations
18:09 schestowitz; [05:13] <techrights-news> Did copyleft.conf die because of the pandemic or because SFC recognised that bagging bribes from Microsoft was bad for its reputation?
18:09 matey; sfc
18:09 schestowitz_TR2; salesforce
18:09 schestowitz_TR2; works for nra
18:09 schestowitz_TR2; works for ice
18:10 schestowitz_TR2; pays sfc
18:10 matey; nra <- nra or nsa?
18:10 schestowitz_TR2; sfc = give us iced-blood-soaked money
18:10 matey; nra would be funny
18:10 schestowitz_TR2; nra also
18:10 matey; haha
18:10 schestowitz_TR2; the employees are protesting
18:10 schestowitz_TR2; and salesforce does nothing
18:10 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/salesforce-works-for-ice/
18:11 TR Bot; The OSIs President Apparently Does Not Know That His Own Employer (Salesforce) Works for ICE | Techrights
18:11 matey; the employees are protesting <- protestwashing
18:11 schestowitz_TR2; afaik, they NEVER stopped working with ICE
18:11 schestowitz_TR2; same with Mirosoft..
18:11 schestowitz_TR2; if they had stop you WOULD know
18:11 matey; "im completely against what my employer is doing. there, i feel better now."
18:11 schestowitz_TR2; they would exchange the contract money for PR or face-saving value
18:11 matey; i mean it is better than saying nothing
18:11 schestowitz_TR2; what does ICE "SELL" anyway?
18:11 schestowitz_TR2; babies?
18:11 schestowitz_TR2; "Salesforce"
18:11 matey; its a question of how far it goes vs whether its enough
18:11 schestowitz_TR2; we auction "brown babies"
18:12 matey; what does ICE "SELL" anyway? <- a farce
18:12 matey; poverty, oppression, split families
18:14 schestowitz_TR2; these corporations have reduce "don't be a jerk" into a cynical PR token, even a buzzphrase, "D&I'
18:14 schestowitz_TR2; *reduced
18:15 schestowitz_TR2; new market
18:15 schestowitz_TR2; nw opportunities
18:15 schestowitz_TR2; stock photography
18:15 schestowitz_TR2; "are you black?"
18:15 schestowitz_TR2; "we are hiring"
18:15 schestowitz_TR2; "making stock photography of black people for companies that do not hire black people"
18:15 schestowitz_TR2; "apply today"
18:15 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/
18:15 schestowitz_TR2; 3
18:15 TR Bot; Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its Support for the Black Community | Techrights
18:16 schestowitz_TR2; IBM made "purity" databases
18:16 schestowitz_TR2; also for blacks
18:16 schestowitz_TR2; not to help them
18:16 schestowitz_TR2; ut to avoid them
18:16 schestowitz_TR2; "bad genes"
18:17 schestowitz_TR2; "eugenics = good genes
18:17 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2021/07/25/lectures-from-microsoft/
18:17 TR Bot; No, Microsoft Does Not Get to Lecture Us on GNU/Linux Security (or Security in General) | Techrights
18:17 schestowitz_TR2; sorry, wrong link
18:17 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/
18:17 TR Bot; IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights
18:18 matey; IBM made "purity" databases <- theyre a real class act
18:21 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/
18:21 TR Bot; Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights
18:22 schestowitz_TR2; open letter: cancel rms
18:22 schestowitz_TR2; buy watson(r)
18:23 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2022/01/18/ibm-censorship/
18:23 TR Bot; Someone Is Very Desperate to Knock My Account Off Twitter | Techrights
18:23 matey; roy has a new toy: http://techrights.org/wiki/High-Priority_Opponents
18:23 TR Bot; High-Priority Opponents - Techrights
18:23 schestowitz_TR2; don't mention it on twitter
18:23 matey; its not a bad page, in terms of throwing a lot of information together in a single place. its actually good enough that if youre new here, youd be forgiven for thinking the following is a nitpick.
18:24 schestowitz_TR2; do not upload to GULAGtube either
18:24 matey; it isnt. the page omits and tiptoes around the same things techrights always omits and tiptoes around. that makes it worth noting.
18:24 schestowitz_TR2; it says hitler in the title
18:24 matey; i should be impressed, i suppose, that it finally admits a point mincer worked for more than a decade on:
18:24 schestowitz_TR2; and has some portions in the video that show hitler
18:24 matey; > IBM has followed Microsoft's outline from the Halloween Documents and been able to use systemd to decommodify GNU/Linux in such a way that it becomes so complex that their services must be hired
18:24 schestowitz_TR2; that's like memorablia
18:24 schestowitz_TR2; gulag is not a free speech company, it's a business
18:24 matey; this is a far cry from "neutral or apathetic", its true-- but the years-late, too-late admission that red hat and ibm have thwarted the free software ecosystem only means that everything has already been taken over. for a more extreme example, its more useful (in practical terms) to note that genocide is occurring and ongoing, than it is to admit it after the fact.
18:24 schestowitz_TR2; they would bury or removee the video one way or another
18:24 schestowitz_TR2; maybe copyrights
18:25 matey; the latter of course matters a great deal in historical terms, though it isnt going to bring back those that are lost.
18:25 schestowitz_TR2; maybe traemarks
18:25 matey; this would have been a more useful thing to admit half a decade ago, when roy was still fence-riding. even this is no guarantee that the issue wont be downplayed again.
18:25 schestowitz_TR2; watson(tm) is a trademark
18:25 schestowitz_TR2; of IBM
18:25 matey; bad companies and things bad companies do are very important in the big picture (and even the small details) regarding what has happened to free software. we should be holding these companies responsible, so naming them and attributing to them to what theyve done to us is worthwhile. but what does that leave out?
18:25 matey; the greatest omission ive found could fit into any of the following categories or subcategories listed already:
18:25 matey; * 3 Disenfranchisement
18:25 matey; * 4 Censorship
18:25 matey; * = 4.1 K. A custom-made censorship based on profiling
18:25 matey; * 7 Entrapment
18:25 matey; * 8 Other Threats (Peripheral)
18:25 matey; corrupt / defunct / colluding organisations are mentioned, though only when they are ORIGINAL proxies to corporations, such as the ones started by people from microsoft.
18:25 matey; but organisations that have been taken over by, or lowered the drawbridge to these same companies? they get no mention.
18:26 matey; media manipulation gets a category, but the very counterrevolution that is "open source"? dont worry about it. osi was taken over by microsoft, and microsoft is listed, but the betrayal by osi almost seems to be something roy hopes can be undone if we just make things clear enough to those responsible.
18:26 matey; its even more ridiculous than assuming the same will happen to the new fsf, and there is no mention of the coup at all.
18:26 schestowitz_TR2; SFC is not allowed to criticise IBM
18:26 matey; indeed
18:26 schestowitz_TR2; and it is now ALLOWING to criticise IBM, either
18:26 matey; the collusion of people within the free software movement with open source and these companies, is what destroyed the fsf, ended stallmans career (what he does in his retirement is lovely, but even his talks are berift of soul and vital new information, which is what you would expect from someone who was destroyed by the two-faced among his own people) and now turn the fsf into a pathetic osi-inspired shitshow.
18:26 matey; the coup has gone on for years, and the damage is devastating. it has become an occupation, but just as techrights took more than half a decade (too late, maybe even by design) to get this right, it has downplayed the coup since 2019 the same way it downplayed systemd. you can be certain that it will be too late when techrights finally has a proper look at what the fuck happened.
18:26 matey; no coup, no new fsf, not even osi is listed as a threat. in an article last year, techrights said osi is dead. i said that it keeps taking terrible things that are actually true of the fsf and the free software movement, and re-framing those things as being osi and open source-- osi is dead, they attacked open source.
18:26 matey; the fsf is dead, they attacked free software. thats way more important, but just like techrights rode the fence for years while debian and red hat committed seppuku, roy isnt ready to admit it. he misleads, he downplays, he omits-- while techrights fails to cover the biggest story, except in a way that makes it seem like less than a big deal.
18:26 matey; the biggest, baddest page on the wiki in over a year just happens to fail to cover it too.
18:27 matey; is this a drawback of the wiki page? the wiki?
18:27 matey; actually, its a drawback of techrights itself: cover every story BUT the biggest!
18:27 matey; i mean thats typical by now. techrights is incredibly brave when it comes to side issues and scandals that people perhaps SHOULD but clearly DO NOT care about, especially after resignations come.
18:27 matey; when it comes to the biggest problems that are closest to home, techrights says DONT MENTION THE WAR!
18:27 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/fosdem-censorship-legal.png
18:27 schestowitz_TR2; "bhuhnhehim[m]"
18:27 matey; its also too late for it not to be a 15 (and a half) year old blog that has a pattern of downplaying the most important (even existential) crises in the movement while treating the 3rd-and-4th-worst threats as the biggest.
18:27 schestowitz_TR2; you cannot criticise ibm
18:27 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> you cannot criticise ibm <- somehow i manage
18:28 matey; its funny how when you make a habit of that, everything else you do does more to serve bullshit than it does to inform; open source has done the same for decades, using real (but smaller) issues as decoys from even more urgent ones.
18:28 matey; but then, thats techrights-- to a t. its also what was done to the fsf to destroy it from the inside, what was done by the mob to stallman, and what is still being done by (and to) the board and everything from and tangential to the new fsf.
18:28 matey; free software isnt bullshit-- but most of the things that propped it up from the beginning have turned into bullshit.
18:28 matey; techrights just says "COMPANIES DOING BAD THINGS!"
18:28 matey; yes, thats true. but while its true, its missing a very key part of the story. if you rely on techrights as your "radar" for free softwares survival, youll see the blips techrights shows you and miss so much of whats going on, you might as well say youve been left out of the picture.
18:28 matey; you will see those blips though-- over and over and over again. and free software continues to fall apart. what a shame, you would think techrights wanted that fixed. how does it plan to achieve that? with the same old shit, just like the fsf itself.
18:28 schestowitz_TR2; you can edit the wiki
18:28 matey; i will not
18:29 matey; when the fsf eats itself, techrights keeps calling it progress. and the corporations are still bad, but the people who sold us out to them year after year? lets not worry, we can just keep allowing that, the real problems are the big bad companies-- NOT the people who keep dragging us into servitude of the same bad companies... apparently.
18:29 sergay; need new pc to play Far Cry 6
18:29 schestowitz_TR2; i made it in a hurry
18:29 matey; its a good page, other than what im saying
18:29 schestowitz_TR2; and it was a first attempot
18:29 matey; we used to call them shills and traitors. now "we" treat them like victims of circumstance-- as if they were helpless to not stab us in the back. well, the news is out: theyre not our opponents at all! backstabbers and saboteurs are our FRIENDS now. isnt that wonderful? not really, but i guess it gets pageviews.
18:29 matey; it was a good first attempt
18:29 matey; i suppose waiting five years to tell the real story is just a good publishing strategy. for free software, id call it a negative. if this wasnt part of a pattern of deflection and misleading people spanning years at a time, then it really might be a nitpick.
18:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:30 schestowitz_TR2; anyway, some people thought he would take over from rmshehim[m]
18:30 schestowitz_TR2; but that never happened
18:30 schestowitz_TR2; instead fsff gave him marching orders
18:30 schestowitz_TR2; and he left along several others
18:30 matey; rmshehim[m] <- lol
18:30 schestowitz_TR2; I say, good riddance
18:30 schestowitz_TR2; same need to happen in eff
18:30 schestowitz_TR2; bring back gilmorer
18:30 schestowitz_TR2; barlow cannot be brought back from the dead
18:30 matey; bring back gilmorer <- i dont think hes coming back either
18:30 matey; not because hes useless
18:31 schestowitz_TR2; then oust the people who foughht to oust golmore
18:31 schestowitz_TR2; whoever they are
18:31 schestowitz_TR2; they are not in alignment with the eff's mission
18:31 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> then oust the people who foughht to oust golmore <- OH CMON
18:31 matey; you accused me of trying to "cancel the cancellers"
18:31 matey; in that context "then oust the people who foughht to oust golmore" is just trolling :P
18:31 schestowitz_TR2; tuened out walsh and mako-hill were among the ousters
18:31 schestowitz_TR2; of sorts
18:31 schestowitz_TR2; you used to think they would be leaders for the org
18:32 schestowitz_TR2; and now we know better
18:32 matey; tuened out walsh and mako-hill were among the ousters <- im still not sure. theres a lack of evidence
18:32 matey; neither signed.
18:32 matey; now im not saying there isnt something fishy
18:32 schestowitz_TR2; walsh opposed
18:32 schestowitz_TR2; not the fst vote
18:32 schestowitz_TR2; but the whole "bring back rms" thing
18:32 matey; yeah
18:32 matey; thats significant
18:32 schestowitz_TR2; m,ako-hill just said the whole tbhing was very painful for him to watch
18:32 matey; and hugely disappointing
18:32 matey; m,ako-hill just said the whole tbhing was very painful for him to watch <- thats a fair comment actually
18:32 matey; its also vague
18:32 schestowitz_TR2; yes
18:32 matey; it could really fall on either side
18:33 schestowitz_TR2; maybe like johns he chose to not engage
18:33 schestowitz_TR2; because he was torn from two directions
18:33 matey; makos best work imo was in two parts
18:33 schestowitz_TR2; we'll never know
18:33 schestowitz_TR2; he's barely active anymore
18:33 schestowitz_TR2; in planet debian
18:33 schestowitz_TR2; very rarely blogs
18:33 matey; he did an article called "in defence of negativity" that i think resulted from an exchange we had in whats now "the fediverse"
18:33 matey; youll note its circa 2010
18:34 matey; he also did an article saying that when free software isnt (technically) better, its still free, and that matters
18:35 matey; free software is often (technically) better, but putting too much stress on that is an open source thing, which he brought counterpoint to
18:35 matey; i dont have any faith left in mako or walsh
18:35 matey; and ive been criticising cc forever
18:35 matey; i dont have the information i need to heavily critique either of them
18:36 matey; the most damning thing i know other than the timing of their resignations (which i agree is fishy) is your mention of walshs vote
18:36 matey; thats something at least
18:36 matey; im not sure if i put it in the treachery category
18:37 matey; but i wouldnt throw it casually into the non-treachery category either
18:37 matey; fortunately, theres a "fishy" category
18:37 matey; and the vote against bringing stallman back is pretty damned significant
18:37 matey; but its also news to me, and as much as i prefer to have proportional responses to treachery
18:38 matey; i dont like to leap before looking
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18:38 matey; in fact most of the things i feel strongly about i took years to get there
18:38 matey; years
18:38 matey; people associate strong views with impulsive reactions
18:38 matey; the thing is, you can have strong views without jumping to them haphazardly
18:39 matey; mincer has obviously felt strongly about humanity for a long time
18:39 matey; and why not? humanity has been fucking up a lot for a long time
18:39 TR News; "Recently, I've got my hands on an Asus Eee PC 1215B from 2011, dual core CPU at 1 GHz, and 2GB ram, upgraded it to 4GB. I've decided to move to it as my main computer, coming from a decently powerful workstation. Here's my experience." gemini://altesq.net/~masqq/gemlog/2022-06-05.gmi
18:39 matey; though im more prepared to defend our species
18:39 matey; at least its potential. i agree with him on the fuckups
18:40 matey; theyre bad, to say the least
18:40 matey; i maintain that at one point in time, trees were worse than hitler
18:40 matey; until mammals came along
18:40 TR News; "Critics often attack psychoanalysis as being "unscientific", or, under the Popperian criteria, "unfalsifiable". Some defenders will counter that, as it is the study of subjectivity itself, psychoanalysis cannot (and should not) be scientifically objective." gemini://nomadpengu.in/thoughts/zenfreud/
18:41 matey; im not saying hitler was any less bad than his worse critics tell you
18:41 matey; only that trees were happy to exterminate everything else if need be
18:41 matey; fortunately mammals came along and created balance through diversity
18:41 matey; but trees were fucking dicks
18:42 matey; now theyre ok-- they no longer rule
18:42 schestowitz_TR2; <matey> people associate strong views with impulsive reactions
18:42 schestowitz_TR2; it's a cultural thing
18:42 schestowitz_TR2; some see that as vulgarity
18:42 matey; as for what bolsonazi is doing to them, im strongly against it
18:42 matey; we need those trees
18:42 schestowitz_TR2; because the other people might "react" some way
18:42 matey; people are sensitive to the wrong things sometimes
18:42 matey; they miss the point
18:43 matey; like when they think "master" needs to be "main" because nazis said its racist!
18:43 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> because the other people might "react" some way <- indeed
18:43 schestowitz_TR2; in some culture raising youyr voice is OK
18:43 matey; giving reactionaries too much credit is a very common, stupid problem
18:43 schestowitz_TR2; even throw your hands all over the plce
18:43 schestowitz_TR2; not British culture
18:43 matey; when stupidity about a thing is extremely common, sometimes you have to "grade on a curve" and understand that society just isnt ready to be smart about it
18:43 matey; i mean, you should still hold them to a higher standing
18:43 matey; standard-- but with reasonable expectations
18:43 schestowitz_TR2; making a society more docile
18:43 schestowitz_TR2; may mean making is more "civil"
18:44 schestowitz_TR2; RAF bombs cities
18:44 schestowitz_TR2; but we are polite
18:44 schestowitz_TR2; very polite
18:44 matey; or realistic expectations
18:44 matey; you cant cause evolution just by shouting "EVOLVE GODDAMNIT!"
18:44 matey; it takes TIME
18:44 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> making a society more docile <- docile is a good word for it
18:45 schestowitz_TR2; protests are impolite
18:45 matey; malleable
18:45 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> not British culture <- lol
18:45 matey; british culture is a hoot
18:45 schestowitz_TR2; "why is this man angry?"
18:45 matey; not only the comedy
18:45 schestowitz_TR2; the angry man need to get less angry
18:45 schestowitz_TR2; "come the fuck down"
18:45 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> protests are impolite <- and in danger of being unethical!
18:45 schestowitz_TR2; (tone-policing)
18:45 schestowitz_TR2; maybe he is angry that his wife got shot
18:46 matey; he must be unreasonable
18:46 matey; anger makes logic impossible. he must be an irrational person.
18:46 matey; its never rational to be angry!
18:46 schestowitz_TR2; be jubilant
18:46 schestowitz_TR2; jubilee
18:46 matey; maybe he is angry that his wife got shot <- thats illogical too
18:46 matey; it wont bring her back
18:46 schestowitz_TR2; with andrew's mom
18:46 matey; he should be more reasonable
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18:47 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> jubilee <schestowitz_TR2> with andrew's mom <- without getting the reference, this is pretty funny
18:47 schestowitz_TR2; "gates haters"
18:47 schestowitz_TR2; "cranks"
18:47 schestowitz_TR2; "jealous"
18:47 schestowitz_TR2; musk needs the same
18:48 schestowitz_TR2; musk critics being spun as conspiracy nuts
18:48 TR News; NanoPi R5S preview - Part 2: Ubuntu 20.04 (FriendlyCore) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165648
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18:49 schestowitz_TR2; I should be reasonable too
18:49 schestowitz_TR2; and stop criticising ibm
18:50 schestowitz_TR2; more like "bkuhnhehim[m]"
18:50 schestowitz_TR2; how can anywone get aupset at him?
18:50 schestowitz_TR2; he's stoooo reasonable
18:50 schestowitz_TR2; that he can disrupt people's irc activity
18:50 schestowitz_TR2; for insulting ibm
18:50 schestowitz_TR2; "bkuhnhehim[m]" was likely on some IBM database
18:50 schestowitz_TR2; or maybe relatives of "bkuhnhehim[m]"
18:51 schestowitz_TR2; not for being he/him
18:51 schestowitz_TR2; but a kuuhn
18:51 schestowitz_TR2; he's also IWB
18:51 schestowitz_TR2; the other high-level IBM exec
18:51 schestowitz_TR2; who used his jewishness to cover up with IBM did in WW2
18:51 schestowitz_TR2; he would talk to the media
18:51 schestowitz_TR2; about how it never happened
18:51 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> I should be reasonable too <schestowitz_TR2> and stop criticising ibm <- you should definitely criticise the fuck out of ibm
18:51 schestowitz_TR2; and he's a "berg"
18:51 matey; whether its (considered) "reasonable" or not
18:51 schestowitz_TR2; so who are you to ssay he's antisemite
18:52 schestowitz_TR2; heck, maybe ibm hired and promoted him just for that alone
18:52 schestowitz_TR2; got its money's worth
18:52 schestowitz_TR2; jewish man denying ibm was helping hitler
18:52 matey; when people say its unreasonable, its more of a circular argument
18:52 matey; prove its not unreasonable!
18:52 matey; but, if you criticise ibm, and you care about strategy
18:53 matey; hopefully you recognise EVERY threat thats just as big
18:53 matey; if you dont, you could end up pushing a double standard-- whether its intentional or otherwise
18:53 matey; and the problem with that is, it would provide help to something just as bad as what youre criticising
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18:53 schestowitz_TR2; techrights has some of the iwb clips
18:53 matey; potentially.
18:53 schestowitz_TR2; they still pretend to have no docs to prove what they had done
18:53 schestowitz_TR2; they are obv. lying
18:53 schestowitz_TR2; or deleting things post hoc
18:54 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> jewish man denying ibm was helping hitler <- thats a real shame
18:54 schestowitz_TR2; like rewmoving museum items
18:54 schestowitz_TR2; because those have the ibm logo on theem
18:54 matey; iwb?
18:54 schestowitz_TR2; and that gets people to -gasp - think ibm was part of the genocide
18:54 matey; they still pretend to have no docs to prove what they had done <- theyve basically bribed people to shut up about it
18:55 matey; paying reparations on the grounds that no one holds them accountable beyond that
18:55 matey; what a great deal for them
18:55 matey; they pay money they would lose anyone
18:55 matey; and dont lose face they would otherwise lose in the process
18:55 matey; s/anyone/anyway
18:55 matey; and that gets people to -gasp - think ibm was part of the genocide <- seeing one of the hollerith machines used by the nazis was a formative experience for me
18:55 matey; and i DO hold ibm accountable to it
18:56 schestowitz_TR2; https://mitsloan.mit.edu/faculty/directory/irving-wladawsky-berger
18:56 TR Bot; Irving Wladawsky-Berger | MIT Sloan
18:56 matey; directly.
18:56 schestowitz_TR2; he also brought gnu/linux to ibm
18:56 schestowitz_TR2; the positive side
18:56 matey; i have some ibm equipment actually. none of which i bought from ibm, but still
18:56 matey; and its a small amount too
18:56 matey; but more importantly i didnt buy it from ib
18:56 matey; ibm
18:57 matey; he also brought gnu/linux to ibm <- like lamb to the slaughter
18:57 schestowitz_TR2; "So, sometime in 2002 I went with my colleague to a suite at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York City where the interview was being filmed, and after some friendly chatter, proceeded to do the interview. Mark Achbar, one of the directors of the documentary was asking the questions.
18:57 schestowitz_TR2; We talked for about an hour about the topics they had sent us, and it all went rather well. But all of a sudden the nature of the questions changed when Achbar asked me if a company was responsible for its actions in the past. I replied that this was too broad a question to answer in general, but if he could be more specific about a concrete issue, perhaps we can shed some light on it. He then proceeded to ask me about IBMs r
18:57 schestowitz_TR2; ole in the Holocaust, especially about the allegations made in a 2001 book on the subject by Edwin Black.
18:57 schestowitz_TR2; "
18:57 schestowitz_TR2; https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2009/09/a-tale-of-deception.html
18:57 TR Bot; Irving Wladawsky-Berger: A Tale of Deception
18:57 matey; when the livestock changes the slaughterhouse let me know
18:58 matey; edwin black is like the smedley butler of tech
18:58 matey; thats a big deal
18:58 matey; partially refuted-- then broadly defended
18:58 schestowitz_TR2; "Finally, having gotten this tale of deception off my chest by writing about it in my blog, it is time to move on . . .
18:58 schestowitz_TR2; "
18:58 schestowitz_TR2; "move on"
18:58 matey; ibm really wanted you to think he was a tabloid journalist
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
18:59 schestowitz_TR2; "So, why is it that after all these years I am writing in my blog about this unfortunate incident instead of just letting sleeping dogs lie? "
18:59 schestowitz_TR2; microsoftism
18:59 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@yx6959ijksevu.irc) has joined #techrights
18:59 schestowitz_TR2; "yes, we did some bad things"
18:59 schestowitz_TR2; "time to move on"
18:59 matey; i think hes done everything he needs to
18:59 matey; its time for others to pick up where he left off
18:59 schestowitz_TR2; NewMicrosoft(TM)
18:59 schestowitz_TR2; "loves Linux"
18:59 matey; "So, why is it that after all these years I am writing in my blog about this unfortunate incident instead of just letting sleeping dogs lie? " <- heh
18:59 matey; "yes, we did some bad things" <- well, theyre dead!
18:59 matey; several million of htem
19:00 schestowitz_TR2; "well, he's dead"
19:00 schestowitz_TR2; "next question!"
19:00 matey; meet the new boss
19:00 matey; same as the old boss
19:00 schestowitz_TR2; comment:
19:00 schestowitz_TR2; " "
19:00 schestowitz_TR2; Hi. It seems that this situation is now repeating itself in the call for reparations for IBM's alleged activities in S.Africa during apartheid.
19:00 schestowitz_TR2; "Hi. It seems that this situation is now repeating itself in the call for reparations for IBM's alleged activities in S.Africa during apartheid.
19:00 schestowitz_TR2; "
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; wow
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; "
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; I reject Irving Wladawsky-Berger accusations that before, during, or after my interview with him for The Corporation he was deceived by me or anyone involved in making the film. In making The Corporation we sought to treat everyone we interviewed fairly, both out of respect and in order to inform our audience as thoroughly as we could.
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; The basis of his erroneous allegations is that he was "tricked" because we discussed many issues relating to corporate social responsibility but in the final film used only portions regarding evidence of IBM's role in streamlining the mass slaughter of Jews in WWII.
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; There was no deception. Our letter of invitation to IBM accurately described the film as a "multi-faceted discussion" addressing the corporation's "history and role in modern society" at a time when "the critics of corporations are increasingly vocal." Mr. Wladawsky-Berger chose to speak as an IBM representative about the responsibilities corporations bear to society. In that context it was reasonable to explore the evidence of IBM
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; 's role in the Holocaust and offer IBM the opportunity to address it.
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; I agree that we were nicely chatting, as he suggests, but that did not alter the fundamental nature of the interview that he had agreed to do - namely a professional interview for the purpose of a documentary film and television series. If Mr. Wladawsky-Berger was insufficiently prepared to answer some questions, he was free to say so, suggest we speak with someone else, and leave it at that.
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; I high-fived no one after Mr. Wladawsky-Bergers interview. We didn't think it went particularly well and neither did IBM. A PR representative for IBM called afterwards asking us not to use the interview unique in our experience of interviewing numerous, senior, corporate representatives about controversial subjects for The Corporation.
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; As a filmmaker, I was seeking the strongest, most coherent material. So I offered to drop Mr. Wladawsky-Berger's interview if IBM allowed us, as we initially requested, to speak with IBM's CEO, or to talk to a representative who could more knowledgeably refute or explain the record of IBMs relationship with Nazi Germany. IBM refused. We used Mr. Wladawsky-Berger's interview because IBM allowed no one else to tell its side of the
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; story. I believe IBM and not the filmmakers let Mr. Wladawsky-Berger down.
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; Mr. Wladawsky-Berger draws the conclusion that the filmmakers "clearly cared nothing about" the subjects of "medical research, the environment and education" because his comments on them were not used. If he watched the whole film, beyond the part featuring him, he would see others address those subjects.
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; We were very interested in Mr. Wladawsky-Bergers responses to all our questions, which were carefully researched and prepared. We did not waste his and our time with an hour-long show knowing in advance which of his answers we would ultimately use.
19:01 schestowitz_TR2; We worked on the film for six years and interviewed over seventy people for times ranging from thirty-seven minutes to over four hours. Thirty interviews were discarded completely. We asked many interviewees the same questions about corporate responsibility. The most articulate, relevant, revealing, explicit, dynamic, illustrative, incisive answers, both supporting and criticizing corporations, made it into the film. We had no one
19:02 schestowitz_TR2; other than Mr. Wladawsky-Berger to speak for IBM.
19:02 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, Now Musk says nobody is being fired and they're hiring MOAR people at Tesla.
19:02 schestowitz_TR2; Incidentally, we did not say that CBC offered any funding or broadcast for The Corporation. Five other reputable Canadian broadcasters supported the project, four of them educational and one religious, as well as Canadian federal and provincial government agencies.
19:02 schestowitz_TR2; Despite my original reaction to the interview, in the edited film I found Mr. Wladawsky-Berger helpful in illuminating aspects of the moral morass that surrounds the historical actions of a publicly-traded business corporation. I remain grateful for his participation and am disappointed at his response and allegations.
19:02 schestowitz_TR2; Regards,
19:02 schestowitz_TR2; Mark Achbar"
19:02 schestowitz_TR2; "You used and manipulated the opportunity, thus you behaved exactly (by using the same misleading principles) as the Nazis...
19:02 schestowitz_TR2; "
19:02 schestowitz_TR2; See?
19:02 schestowitz_TR2; you expose what the nazis did
19:02 schestowitz_TR2; and that makes you a nazi
19:02 schestowitz_TR2; wow
19:03 schestowitz_TR2; ""IBM has a long and rich history of doing much good in the world. I wish the film makers had focused on that.
19:03 schestowitz_TR2; LOL
19:03 schestowitz_TR2; "we had MANY clients"
19:03 schestowitz_TR2; like...
19:03 schestowitz_TR2; "Hitler also did a lot of good"
19:03 schestowitz_TR2; "stop focusing only on bad things putin did"
19:03 DaemonFC; Musk behaves like someone who was using cocaine.
19:03 DaemonFC; It destroys impulse control even if you stop at some point.
19:04 schestowitz_TR2; "
19:04 schestowitz_TR2; I am happy that Mr. Wladawsky-Berger has got this off his chest, however those who posted comments comparing Achbar's tactics to the Nazis are being ludicrous, the desperate energy used to protect IBM at all costs is typical of people who will never admit that reality doesn't care about our little constructs, about our little ideas of wrong and right, but that we should; Black's work is not discredited, Mr. Wladawsky-Berger as a go
19:04 schestowitz_TR2; od corporate soul was never interested enough in the history of his company to get to the bottom of this and IBM's behavior in this context is unsurprising. Corporations have only adopted morals since its coming into fashion, the bottom line and ethical behavior have not been compatible for very long. Getting to the truth is too uncomfortable for the vast majority of us."
19:05 matey; "the desperate energy used to protect IBM at all costs is typical of people who will never admit that reality doesn't care about our little constructs"
19:05 matey; +
19:08 schestowitz_TR2; I did not know he blogged about it
19:08 schestowitz_TR2; it's very illuminating
19:09 schestowitz_TR2; esp. the part where they try to say Black and others are like Hitler
19:09 schestowitz_TR2; for opposing Hittler
19:09 schestowitz_TR2; and naming the enablers
19:09 schestowitz_TR2; typical insane projection tactics
19:09 matey; esp. the part where they try to say Black and others are like Hitler <- LOL
19:09 schestowitz_TR2; Techrights is literally NAZI... for calling out IBM
19:09 matey; who said (edwin) black is like hitler?
19:09 matey; best project tactic ive ever seen
19:09 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2022/01/18/ibm-censorship/
19:09 TR Bot; Someone Is Very Desperate to Knock My Account Off Twitter | Techrights
19:10 schestowitz_TR2; deployform roy
19:10 matey; or worst, depending on your definition
19:10 schestowitz_TR2; to protect the nazis
19:10 matey; Techrights is literally NAZI <- even i woudlnt go that far
19:10 matey; oh no, roy should absolutely have a platform
19:10 schestowitz_TR2; (I'm the one who put in the paperwork for dead relatives BTW)
19:10 matey; who said youre nazi? and who said edwin black is like hitler?
19:11 schestowitz_TR2; btw
19:11 schestowitz_TR2; there are severla movies about ibm
19:11 schestowitz_TR2; black just wrote a book
19:11 schestowitz_TR2; the evidence is cas clear as daylight
19:11 schestowitz_TR2; never mind the book
19:11 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Yow_BJeb8TI
19:11 TR Bot; Guy Fawkes vs Che Guevara. Epic Rap Battles of History. - Invidious
19:11 schestowitz_TR2; they could make a "IBM Holocxaust museam
19:11 matey; my ancestors fled germany right before the war
19:11 schestowitz_TR2; with lots of stuff in there, other than peprs
19:11 schestowitz_TR2; Dehomag Museum :-)
19:11 schestowitz_TR2; "welcome, my name is Lenny"
19:12 matey; the evidence is cas clear as daylight <- indeed
19:12 schestowitz_TR2; "Eins process"
19:12 matey; i wish they would
19:12 matey; seeing the hollerith machine is powerful
19:12 matey; you look at it and (i) think: this is why we need privacy.
19:12 matey; "Eins process" <- he only has the disposition of a nazi
19:12 matey; like the soup nazi
19:13 schestowitz_TR2; http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/
19:13 TR Bot; IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights
19:13 schestowitz_TR2; IBM canceled RMSA
19:13 matey; i dont think hes a white supremacist or eugenicist
19:13 matey; just a cunt
19:13 schestowitz_TR2; while at the same time pushing these
19:13 schestowitz_TR2; for profit
19:13 matey; but im not above joking about the connection
19:13 schestowitz_TR2; theey make billions off of covid
19:13 schestowitz_TR2; and now the data is not being purged
19:13 schestowitz_TR2; there are "naughty lists"
19:13 matey; IBM canceled RMS <- i was there
19:13 schestowitz_TR2; people who rjected experiments
19:14 schestowitz_TR2; turned own rathgere
19:14 schestowitz_TR2; temporarily
19:14 schestowitz_TR2; carlin: "irhg this way"
19:14 schestowitz_TR2; "right
19:14 matey; now the data is not being purged <- why would it be purged
19:14 matey; when they went to such dishonest means to collect it in the first place
19:14 matey; i dont mean "plandemic"
19:14 matey; i mean "all your data will really help with a solution"
19:15 matey; it wont, for reasons even you said
19:15 schestowitz_TR2; "disobedience lists"
19:15 schestowitz_TR2; matey: which solution?
19:15 schestowitz_TR2; the startung sdolution?
19:15 schestowitz_TR2; anyway, jokes aside
19:15 schestowitz_TR2; godwin unhappy
19:15 matey; heh
19:15 schestowitz_TR2; rather, godwin gets ego boost
19:15 matey; no solution
19:15 matey; just an excuse
19:16 schestowitz_TR2; if aaron s stallman is really rems's brother, that's intereting
19:16 matey; im happy to call godwin a nazi
19:16 schestowitz_TR2; fsf was always soft on ibm
19:16 matey; only ironically, but nonetheless
19:16 matey; tongue in cheek
19:17 matey; if aaron s stallman is really rems's brother, that's intereting <- is it? i think we talked about this
19:17 schestowitz_TR2; person x signs rms petition
19:17 schestowitz_TR2; person x goes back to deploying for ICE
19:17 matey; i dont think its that interesting. ill be happy to admit if i prove wrong about this
19:17 matey; fsf was always soft on ibm <- this is true for obvious reasons
19:17 schestowitz_TR2; fsf started when ibm was the evil one
19:17 matey; ibm controls gcc (gdb too) but no one talks about it
19:17 matey; they dont believe it
19:18 schestowitz_TR2; and apple was using that
19:18 schestowitz_TR2; suse also plays a big role
19:18 schestowitz_TR2; maybe ibm and suse cooperate on more than just POWER
19:18 matey; its more forkable than llvm
19:18 schestowitz_TR2; suse from nuremberg
19:18 schestowitz_TR2; suse from Nuremberg
19:18 matey; fsf started when ibm was the evil one <- ibm was "always" evil
19:18 matey; at least 20th century onward
19:18 DaemonFC; I officially changed parties to "Republican" on a permanent and ongoing basis until I inform the Lake County clerk otherwise.
19:18 matey; before that they were literally something else
19:19 DaemonFC; I got to thinking and I couldn't find any reason why not to.
19:19 matey; maybe better, maybe not-- but not "ibm"
19:19 matey; hollerith tabulating company?
19:19 matey; still a terrible name
19:19 matey; hollerith i mean
19:19 schestowitz_TR2; https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-time-suse-the-german-linux-company
19:19 DaemonFC; Even after the Democrats fuck up so bad they start losing states like Illinois, they still won't learn anything by being in the dog house for a couple of years.
19:19 TR Bot; The time SUSE, the German Linux company, banned mentioning Jewish holidays.
19:19 matey; whether it was already terrible or became terrible under ibm
19:19 matey; probably both though
19:20 schestowitz_TR2; hollerith just did tabulation
19:20 schestowitz_TR2; that's like accusing einstein of nuking people
19:20 matey; good old lundpuke
19:20 matey; the duke of lun
19:20 schestowitz_TR2; but the machine is associate with his name and invention
19:20 schestowitz_TR2; hollerith afaik didn't do anything evil
19:20 schestowitz_TR2; based on what you can read about hollerith
19:20 schestowitz_TR2; CTR/IBM was evil from the start
19:20 schestowitz_TR2; they even put a fraud in charge
19:20 matey; i havent accused him of anything
19:20 matey; other than "probably both"
19:20 schestowitz_TR2; who was convicted of crimes
19:21 DaemonFC; The national Republican Party needs a reboot. Even Ronald Reagan was able to do a bipartisan compromise on Immigration and was at least willing to work out an arrangement where he didn't just break the law and dare anyone to stop him or start bashing them. Many people got a path to a Green Card or citizenship under Reagan.
19:21 matey; i dont claim to have anything on him. "probably both" was an openly cynical generalisation
19:21 matey; he was probably wealthy
19:21 matey; and probably connected to something nasty
19:21 matey; but nothing im aware of specifically
19:21 matey; either way ibm dragged that name through the mud later
19:21 matey; which may not be holleriths fault
19:21 DaemonFC; I don't know where it all went so wrong that Trump happened. Even Bush was fairly tolerant of immigrants.
19:21 schestowitz_TR2; DaemonFC: wae are talking about ibm
19:22 matey; IBM was evil from the start <- i dont have data on that either
19:22 matey; not that it would surprise me
19:22 DaemonFC; IBM was one of the companies Trump damaged with his random and bizarre immigration policies.
19:22 matey; i know watson and his son were nazi dicks
19:23 matey; dont mention the war!
19:23 *matey has quit (connection closed)
19:23 DaemonFC; It's companies like IBM and Microsoft and Apple who don't care about "America's problems".
19:23 DaemonFC; America has a huge problem. They aren't paying their taxes and college tuition is sky high and not guaranteed to lead to any results.
19:24 DaemonFC; But H1-B visas are leaving too many Americans unemployed and getting angrier about it when you combine the college troubles.
19:24 DaemonFC; Because they're not STUPID. They see that nobody helps them get an education because it's easier to open the floodgates and let Chinese and Indian immigrants who already have a degree into the country .
19:25 DaemonFC; Nobody's worried about them. Carlin said "A country that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago.".
19:25 DaemonFC; And nothing has happened since then except another 14 years of stagflation.
19:27 DaemonFC; As a matter of policy, I just refuse to go see any "foreign" doctors. And it's because I've noticed three things. 1. The same thing is going on there. 2. They have the bedside manner of a tarantula. 3. They will refuse to give you medical treatment, and if they do it's more likely to be incompetent treatment and they will not listen to your concerns. 4. There is a communications barrier.
19:27 DaemonFC; Well, I said three things.
19:27 DaemonFC; I thought of one more (communications barrier) while I was typing.
19:28 DaemonFC; I mean, like, you go there because your blood pressure is through the roof and the damned doctor is basically "Not my circus, not my monkeys! Try eating less salt!" and then that doesn't help and your food tastes like shit, and oh here's the bill.
19:29 DaemonFC; And so that was the moment I made the decision "Take a real good look at faces and names next time." and you know what? I got medicine.
19:30 DaemonFC; This isn't even the first time something like this has happened. My aunt, who was a nurse for over 35 years, had a Masters Degree in nursing, complained day in and day out about foreign doctors coming in and botching everything and letting the nurses sort it out.
19:30 DaemonFC; She unloaded about that after I complained about my psychiatrist not listening to me.
19:31 DaemonFC; I can't imagine that you're getting good tech workers with these H1-Bs, and you know, the reason I say that is because I've overheard people who are in charge of reviewing that "cheap" code that came in from India and China and they complain it's more work to fix it than it is to write it in the first place.
19:31 DaemonFC; But to some bean counter, it seems like a savings.
19:32 DaemonFC; But you can't say something like that outside of a pseudonym or some Garrett out there will hunt you down like a dog and try to cancel you I'm sure.
19:33 TR News; Links 05/06/2022: Bombadillo Fork for Spartan, Fedora Test Week for Linux 5.18 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/bombadillo-fork-for-spartan/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/bombadillo-fork-for-spartan/
19:33 TR Bot; Links 05/06/2022: Bombadillo Fork for Spartan, Fedora Test Week for Linux 5.18 | Techrights
19:33 DaemonFC; MinceR, We can't see the uEFI code that actually runs on the LOL! No! Vo computers.
19:33 DaemonFC; But there are typos and plenty of Engrish in the setup program.
19:34 DaemonFC; If they're so sloppy that they don't even care what the user interface looks like then what does the code look like?
19:34 TR News; Embedded and Devices Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165650
19:34 TR Bot; Embedded and Devices Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:34 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165651
19:34 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
19:34 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, Mandy came out here and complained that I hooked up my Bose stereo by getting a 20 foot audio cable and using command strips to run it along the ceiling and back down to the laptop.
19:35 DaemonFC; "Why don't you just get BLUETOOTH!? OMG this looks bad!"
19:35 DaemonFC; It doesn't look that bad.
19:35 DaemonFC; It doesn't look as bad as Bluetooth sounds.
19:35 TR News; Gulag never deletes anything, but is leaves the possibility for YOU to delete YOUR access to the data https://www.maketecheasier.com/recover-deleted-text-messages-android/
19:35 TR Bot; How to Recover Deleted Text Messages on Android - Make Tech Easier
19:35 DaemonFC; You were saying FM headphones that connect to your stereo the other day, and I wish I still had those!
19:36 TR News; Google deleting some data is like... Microsoft obeying the law
19:36 TR News; U.S.-Canadian firm Sandvine fosters Russian censorship infrastructure https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
19:36 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now
19:36 DaemonFC; $20 at freaking Aldi and they sound better than Bluetooth does even if you can give it a perfect signal, and the entire Bluetooth stack can't take a dump, refuse to connect, and crash until you reboot the computer.
19:36 DaemonFC; So there's that.
19:36 DaemonFC; Intel's Bluetooth chipsets are even worse than their processors somehow.
19:38 DaemonFC; AppleInsider posted an article about how when you add in retail, Apple's average pay is the lowest vs. Microsoft and Google. I mentioned that Microsoft shut down their retail operations because, I suppose, no reason to give demos of "Miracast" when the only image it successfully transmits to the television set, in the store, where Microsoft set up the entire demonstration, is a frame of the Blue Screen of Death followed by the entire Surface
19:38 DaemonFC; laptop hard freezing.
19:38 TR News; Pull hardware timestamping subsystem from Thierry Reding https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=2981436374177f78539b026ce5bcbab8c251818e
19:38 TR Bot; kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree
19:39 DaemonFC; There's absolutely no reason to buy this shit.
19:39 schestowitz_TR2; "Microsoft shut down their retail operations because"
19:39 DaemonFC; They've managed to make computing today work worse than their Windows 2000 operating system did more than 20 years ago.
19:39 schestowitz_TR2; Same reason US left Kabul
19:40 schestowitz_TR2; the criminals don't want you to face them
19:40 DaemonFC; I spent those 20 years saying the Taliban were still there and waiting for us to leave so they could take the entire country back.
19:40 DaemonFC; Gonad the Barbarian mocked me for that.
19:41 DaemonFC; He keeled over 5 years short of witnessing exactly that.
19:43 DaemonFC; The US was in control of Iraq the first time and left Saddam Hussein there and alive, inexplicably.
19:44 DaemonFC; Their military was so badly outdated and poorly trained that it could hardly even fight us in the early 90s. We came back, their government collapsed in a couple of months, and supposedly that government was in a position to make WMDs somehow.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
21:04 sergay; Im thinking about putting a graphic card inside a bottle and use it as an external gpu
21:05 sergay; have you seen who much they ask for an external gpu case?
21:05 sergay; im rolling my owne
21:06 sergay; what kind of psu should i use? you can use any off the shelf one ?
21:07 sergay; https://nairatips.com/diy-egpu/
21:07 TR Bot; DIY eGPU 101: How to Build an External GPU by Yourself in 2022
21:07 sergay; The best thing is that the DIY eGPU will cost you a lot less in contrast to the eGPU that you will buy from the market. right on
21:17 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22060350
21:17 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/plbpxjq0bl291.jpg created on 2022-06-03 17:44:12.986229
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21:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:33 TR News; 10 Best Ubuntu Apps for Everyone in 2022 [Part 2] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165652
21:33 TR Bot; 10 Best Ubuntu Apps for Everyone in 2022 [Part 2] | Tux Machines
21:35 TR News; "We are back with our usual monthly update! Boiling Steam looks at the latest data dumps from ProtonDB to give you a quick list of new games that work (pretty much?) perfectly with Proton since they were released in May 2022 all of them work out of the box or well enough with tweaks..." https://boilingsteam.com/top-15-new-games-to-play-on-linux-with-proton-june-2022-edition/
21:35 TR Bot; Top 15 New Games to Play on Linux with Proton June 2022 Edition - Boiling Steam
21:45 TR News; MiTubo 1.1: screensaver inhibitor Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165653
21:45 TR Bot; MiTubo 1.1: screensaver inhibitor | Tux Machines
21:46 TR News; Hulu's 12 Monkeys (no spoilers) gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-06-05.monkeys.gmi
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21:47 TR News; "Compounding the issue was the fact that, at the time, I was staying in a hotel room (attending CDL school downstate), with no personal transportation, in an area with such poor walkability I couldnt even walk to the neighborhood grocery store less than a mile away without putting my actual life in danger" gemini://november.smol.pub/vegan
21:47 TR News; An Evernote-Compatible Sticky Notes App for Linux Desktops Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165654
21:47 TR Bot; An Evernote-Compatible Sticky Notes App for Linux Desktops | Tux Machines
21:49 sergay; https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-build-an-external-gpu-for-4k-video-editing-vr-and-gaming/
21:49 TR Bot; to build an external GPU for 4K video editing, VR, and gaming | TechRepublic
21:50 sergay; GPU: 200 dollars.
21:50 sergay; Case: 220 dollars.
21:50 TR News; 10 Fun Free and Open Source Real-Time Strategy Games - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/free-open-source-real-time-strategy-games/ Source: LinuxLinks | GNU | Linux | FreeSW
21:50 sergay; PSU: 30 dollars.
21:50 TR Bot; Fun Free and Open Source Real-Time Strategy Games - LinuxLinks
21:51 sergay; the case is more expensive that the gpu WTF
21:54 TR News; Linux Plumbers Conference: Microconferences at Linux Plumbers Conference: RISC-V https://lpc.events/blog/2022/index.php/2022/06/05/microconferences-at-linux-plumbers-conference-risc-v/
21:54 TR Bot; Microconferences at Linux Plumbers Conference: RISC-V Linux Plumbers Conference 2022
21:54 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165655
21:54 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
21:55 psydruid; the finances of such systems don't make sense anymore
21:55 TR News; "NixOS recently had a new release, and it's a big one! Now, NixOS comes with an easy-to-use graphical installer (calamares). This could be a real game changer because the traditional NixOS installation is a barrier to entry for novice NixOS users. So I'm going to try out the new NixOS calamares installer and see if it works!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ck4J2Faa7Fc
21:55 TR Bot; NixOS Is The Power User Distro (Now With An Easy Installer!) - Invidious
21:56 psydruid; but few people have found the clue yet
21:56 schestowitz_TR2; GPU costs like my whole laptop
21:56 schestowitz_TR2; Case: costs like my whole laptop
21:56 psydruid; exactly
21:56 MinceR; ah yes, the elusive systemd-dependent "power user"
21:56 schestowitz_TR2; that's an empty case with a little gadget inside
21:56 schestowitz_TR2; that gadget costs like 6 raspiberry pi 4
21:56 schestowitz_TR2; 24 processor cores
21:57 schestowitz_TR2; at ~5 watts each
21:57 schestowitz_TR2; per pi
21:57 schestowitz_TR2; or 1 watts cores
21:57 schestowitz_TR2; more efficient that this gpu
21:57 schestowitz_TR2; *than
21:57 schestowitz_TR2; is the keyboard a "gaming" keyboard?
21:58 schestowitz_TR2; like one with LIGHTS in it? That costssss $150?
21:58 psydruid; the economics will completely break down when fruit pi 5/6/7 etc. catch up with the latest lava lake systems
21:58 schestowitz_TR2; the PSU alone costs like a modern SBC
21:59 schestowitz_TR2; it's just a PSU
21:59 psydruid; that's why I would only consider this for very high-end high-density compute
22:00 psydruid; 16+ core CPU or something
22:00 DaemonFC; I'm shampooing the livingroom carpets finally. Eww.
22:00 psydruid; not the typical gamer desktop
22:00 schestowitz_TR2; "gaming" = polygon renderer
22:00 DaemonFC; By the looks of the dirty water, I'm going to be at it for a while before I can put the chemicals in.
22:00 psydruid; my power bill is higher than your power bill
22:01 DaemonFC; My electric runs between $30 and $100 depending on the month.
22:01 schestowitz_TR2; not bad~!
22:01 DaemonFC; I don't think the cats pissed anywhere but they may have tracked litter?
22:02 schestowitz_TR2; $30 is insanely low
22:02 schestowitz_TR2; for 2 people
22:02 DaemonFC; Was getting a whiff of cat piss sometimes.
22:02 DaemonFC; Don't know where it came from so I just ordered a gallon and a half of carpet shampoo and that's on the way.
22:02 schestowitz_TR2; here, juist standing charges alone would amount to about the same
22:02 DaemonFC; Makes about 50 gallons of solution.
22:03 DaemonFC; Fuck it, lets napalm.
22:03 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
22:03 DaemonFC; <schestowitz_TR2> here, juist standing charges alone would amount to about the same
22:03 DaemonFC; It's going to get cheaper. Electric costs in other states have soared and it's cheaper to buy nuclear power we have a surplus of.
22:03 *psydruid reuses desktop cases from 20+ years ago
22:03 DaemonFC; So by law, ComEd has to give us a discount for the next year.
22:04 DaemonFC; They went with coal.
22:04 DaemonFC; Whoopsie
22:04 DaemonFC; So now Indiana gets to pay my electric bill. :)
22:04 MinceR; shampoo for my real friends and real poo for my sham friends!
22:04 schestowitz_TR2; you to enerrgy providers: do I get a dicount if I SIT DOWN?
22:04 DaemonFC; Even FM sounds really good on this radio.
22:04 DaemonFC; I was skeptical.
22:05 DaemonFC; This seems like something they'd have been showing off at Epcot in the 80s or 90s.
22:06 DaemonFC; Haters gonna hate.
22:06 schestowitz_TR2; DaemonFC: I've hacked together a solution this morning. I now have two sound sources
22:06 DaemonFC; Those audiophile forums are beyond ridiculous.
22:06 schestowitz_TR2; didn't have to buy anything, just get creative with the cables
22:06 DaemonFC; The Bose is a very pleasant system to listen to.
22:07 schestowitz_TR2; an old (2011) monitor is now a speaker
22:07 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, You can probably find the Altec Lansing FX3022 somewhere still.
22:07 schestowitz_TR2; those are overpriced brands
22:07 schestowitz_TR2; and cults that orbit them
22:08 schestowitz_TR2; same for sonos
22:08 DaemonFC; That was a good system if you want decent sound without taking up a ton of space and avoid the separate subwoofer.
22:08 schestowitz_TR2; you pay fore their patents and marketing departmenrsa
22:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, I got mine for like $60-70.
22:08 TR News; Games: Proton and Real-Time Strategy (RTS) Title Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165656
22:08 DaemonFC; As a refurb. It was working fine 12 years later.
22:08 TR Bot; Games: Proton and Real-Time Strategy (RTS) Title | Tux Machines
22:08 DaemonFC; You can probably find one used super cheap somewhere.
22:08 schestowitz_TR2; no need
22:08 schestowitz_TR2; you could get a refurb for half that price
22:09 schestowitz_TR2; and better
22:09 schestowitz_TR2; without the 'cult surplus'
22:10 DaemonFC; I don't think even $300 is expensive for a system if it's a really nice one.
22:10 DaemonFC; There's definitely crazier things people buy than Bose stereos. Like Macs and AirPOS.
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; you listen to it yourself
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; that's the first sig you might need headphones
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; not speakers
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; but personal speakerrs
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; neat to the ears
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; second, consider thw quality of your source
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; liike FM radio
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; and sometimes mono
22:13 schestowitz_TR2; at some page you realise you're just beign a 'masturbating monkey' over sound
22:13 schestowitz_TR2; and fake audiophile
22:13 schestowitz_TR2; and your sound might, at best, be a nuisance to someone in the home or on the other side of the wall
22:14 schestowitz_TR2; fwiw, people who buy home cinemas and large projectors for 1-2 people to watch are conned
22:15 schestowitz_TR2; the whole purpose of large screen (with same res) is to let more people watch them at once
22:15 schestowitz_TR2; otherwise you can just move closer
22:16 MinceR; headphones are uncomfortable
22:16 DaemonFC; As for the people on the other side of the wall.....They bug me with shit that isn't even music.
22:19 schestowitz_TR2; mimi: depends
22:19 schestowitz_TR2; MinceR: ^
22:19 schestowitz_TR2; in winter they can help
22:25 TR News; Deepin 20.6 Run Through - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=iRBU8ldZmaw Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
22:25 TR Bot; Deepin 20.6 Run Through - Invidious
22:26 TR News; "It's one thing to install Linux on someones computer if they ask for some support or ask for help but please stop installing linux on other peoples computer just for the fun of it" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5dk2h25BpqM
22:26 TR Bot; Stop Installing Linux On Other Peoples Computer - Invidious
22:31 TR News; "On behalf of the Rakudo development team, Im very happy to announce the June 2022 release of Rakudo #156. Rakudo is an implementation of the Raku1 language." https://rakudo.org/post/announce-rakudo-release-2022.06
22:31 TR Bot; Rakudo compiler, Release #156 (2022.06) - Rakudo Compiler for Raku Programming Language
22:31 DaemonFC; Well, it smells a lot better in here.
22:32 TR News; Videos: Installing GNU/Linux, Deepin 20.6 Walkthrough, Calamares in NixOS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165657
22:32 TR Bot; Videos: Installing GNU/Linux, Deepin 20.6 Walkthrough, Calamares in NixOS | Tux Machines
22:32 TR News; Tails 5.1 arrives with a fix for a serious JavaScript security vulnerability http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165633#comment-33889
22:32 TR Bot; Tails 5.1 is out | Tux Machines
22:32 DaemonFC; Floor looks better.
22:33 DaemonFC; All those places the cat barfed and I like "99%" cleaned it up or spilled a bit of coffee.
22:33 DaemonFC; Gone.
22:39 TR News; "If your requirements are predominantly for people with audial impairments, try Orcas screen reader for desktops like MATE, GNOME, and Unity. The Sonar GNU/Linux project is great for accommodating users with visual difficulties" https://hbr.org/2022/06/3-strategies-for-developing-more-accessible-software
22:39 TR Bot; 3 Strategies for Developing More-Accessible Software
22:39 SomeH4x0r; someone tell matey that digdeeper's IRC bridge is back, if my memory fails
22:39 SomeH4x0r; hope they read logs
22:40 TR News; "The second prize of Rs 15,000 went to Snehlata Shirude and Manish Joshi from KBC North Maharashtra University, Jalgaon, for their paper, titled A successful recipe for localisation: A case of GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program)." https://www.freepressjournal.in/indore/indore-cere-concludes-at-elite-city-b-school-prof-sarin-gets-iim-indores-lifetime-achievement-award
22:40 TR Bot; Indore: CERE concludes at elite city B-school, Prof Sarin gets IIM Indores lifetime achievement award
22:41 TR News; Villupuram-basedsoftware company gets Silicon Valley call Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165658
22:41 TR Bot; Villupuram-basedsoftware company gets Silicon Valley call | Tux Machines
22:46 *sergay has quit (Quit: Connection closed)
22:52 TR News; About a week before Microsoft attacked Novell (and later killed it with a patent collusion) https://www.osnews.com/story/16309/novell-announces-pcs-preloaded-with-suse-linux/
22:52 TR Bot; Announces PCs Preloaded with SUSE Linux OSnews
22:53 TR News; Microsoft is not a software company. It's organised crime that tries to come across as legit activities. While assassination of actual competition persists.
22:54 TR News; Those companies work for the NSA; they do not care about "Open Source" or about security https://www.cybersecuritydive.com/news/open-source-security-Washington/623731/
22:54 TR Bot; Tech giants pledge multimillion down payment to secure open source | Cybersecurity Dive
22:57 TR News; "An Indian wedding, a 12-year-old girl with the drumming skills"... don't tell the queen's son, Andrew. He might want to screw with her. And then pay our tax money to make it go away (also see Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/06/05/platinum-jubilee-celebrations-brilliantly-british-fit-queen/
22:57 TR Bot; The Platinum Jubilee celebrations were brilliantly British and fit for a Queen
22:58 TR News; [Old] Fedora 36 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164681#comment-33890
22:59 TR Bot; Fedora Linux 36 Is Here with GNOME 42, Linux Kernel 5.17, and Wayland for NVIDIA Users | Tux Machines
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
23:00 TR News; "A few months have passed since we released ScummVM 2.5.1. No matter if you expect the scorching heat of the upcoming summer or freezing blizzards in winter (depending on your favorite hemisphere): its release time again!" https://www.scummvm.org/news/20220605/
23:00 TR Bot; ScummVM :: Home
23:11 TR News; 15 Best Online Learning Platforms https://www.nanowerk.com/15-Best-Online-Learning-Platforms.php Source: nanowerk
23:11 TR Bot; 15 Best Online Learning Platforms
23:12 TR News; LOL! "Metaverse, AI, Sustainability" ... any more buzzwords??? https://www.gurufocus.com/news/1742550/save-the-date-globant-invites-to-the-tech-n-fest-2022
23:12 TR Bot; the Date: Globant Invites - GuruFocus.com
23:12 TR News; Regulation has not existed in decades. The military contractors and oligarchs do anything they wish... https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/health-tech/oracle-gets-european-approval-28m-cerner-deal-set-close-next-week
23:12 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/health-tech/oracle-gets-european-approval-28m-cerner-deal-set-close-next-week )
23:14 TR News; "Proton is building a privacy-centric alternative to the Google software ecosystem" https://www.techradar.com/features/the-quest-to-cut-google-out-of-your-digital-life
23:14 TR Bot; quest to cut Google out of your digital life | TechRadar
23:14 TR News; Clown provider... for clowns with guns https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/02/social-good-cloud-provider-blackbaud-takes-millions-from-the-nra/
23:14 TR Bot; good cloud provider Blackbaud takes millions from the NRA TechCrunch
23:15 TR News; Company that fires HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ITS OWN TECH WORKERS ... "to provide STEM job training and tackle talent shortage"???? https://www.wsbtv.com/news/ibm-partners-with-cau-provide-stem-job-training-tackle-talent-shortage/TAJLZIQHRNCVVBN72F5UVKCVVU/ http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM
23:15 TR Bot; IBM partners with CAU to provide STEM job training and tackle talent shortage WSB-TV Channel 2 - Atlanta
23:15 TR Bot; IBM - Techrights
23:17 TR News; Totally fake approach to security; marketeering in place of substance https://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/legit-security-brings-a-needed-layer-of-protection-to-the-sdlc-pipeline
23:17 TR Bot; Legit Security Brings a Needed Layer of Protection to the SDLC Pipeline - Digital Journal
23:18 TR News; Two criminal enterprises, Accenture and Microsoft (engaged in corruption, even colluded against GNU/Linux in Munich), use "sustainability" as a buzzword for reputation laundering https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/06/w27558150/accenture-microsoft-and-avanade-expand-partnership-to-help-organizations-tackle-their-greatest-sus
23:18 TR Bot; Microsoft and Avanade expand partnership to help organizations tackle their greatest sustainability challenges - Benzinga
23:22 psydruid; Master addresses concerns about slave shortage
23:23 DaemonFC; That's better.
23:24 schestowitz_TR2; let's ask edwin black what he thinks of jim whitehurst
23:34 DaemonFC; eBay emailed me.
23:35 DaemonFC; They said that the Wave Radio II that I was bidding on that mysteriously disappeared for like $64 is back and I have a second chance at $159. LOL
23:35 DaemonFC; I'm not paying $159 for someone's 16 year old used model that's two versions behind when a refurb of the current model is $279.
23:36 DaemonFC; It doesn't even have a CD player.
23:43 schestowitz_TR2; seems like you spend money on a load of junk tbh
23:43 schestowitz_TR2; instead of making a fianncial cushion
23:43 DaemonFC; Have one.
23:43 schestowitz_TR2; now that walmart is layinf off workers and shuttingf store
23:43 DaemonFC; They just remodeled this store and they hire more people.
23:44 DaemonFC; They're also in the middle of ditching DoorDash because so many people are complaining and canceling Walmart+ because of it.
23:44 schestowitz_TR2; your mom can become amazon reseller
23:48 schestowitz_TR2; DoorDash should go into the garage business
23:48 schestowitz_TR2; shipping youir cars to the mechanics and back tio you
23:48 schestowitz_TR2; ValetDash
23:49 DaemonFC; We wouldn't be any better off renting a more expensive apartment or taking a bus.
23:49 DaemonFC; But yes, car ownership is expensive.
23:49 DaemonFC; Not the least of which because an able-bodied illegal immigrant panhandler ran out in front of my car today and I had to slam on the brakes and honk at him.
23:49 DaemonFC; He's there every day jogging, literally jogging, back and forth begging for money.
23:50 DaemonFC; If you can do that, you can get a job. I know there are people here hiring illegal immigrants.
23:50 DaemonFC; There was another one a while back that finally got himself hit by a car and then the American citizen driver probably went to jail and then people were begging for money to send his body back to Mexico.
23:50 DaemonFC; This place is another world.
23:51 TR News; Torvalds a short while ago: This attached patch builds cleanly for me, doing the above. But see a few comments about those atomicity issues..." https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/6/5/304
23:51 TR Bot; LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [PATCH] net/bluetooth: fix erroneous use of bitmap_from_u64()
23:51 TR News; Dev Resurrects Unity-Era Feature for Ubuntu Dock But Will It Be Accepted? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165659
23:51 TR Bot; Dev Resurrects Unity-Era Feature for Ubuntu Dock But Will It Be Accepted? | Tux Machines
23:52 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165660
23:52 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
23:52 DaemonFC; People who break laws get along easier than the rest of us somehow.
23:52 DaemonFC; They get out of prison and have a job and an apartment the same day.
23:52 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165661
23:52 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
23:53 schestowitz_TR2; DaemonFC: you were arrested years ago
23:53 schestowitz_TR2; just to remind you
23:53 DaemonFC; Then they wonder why the rest of us finally go over the edge.
23:54 DaemonFC; https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/stevewinwood/timeisrunningout.html
23:54 TR Bot; Winwood - Time Is Running Out Lyrics | AZLyrics.com
23:55 DaemonFC; Good lyrics for what's going on today.
23:55 TR News; Some last-minute work by Torvalds: "Since this clashed with the Kbuild cleanups I just merged, I looked at it and threw up in my mouth a little." https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/6/5/270
23:55 TR Bot; LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [GIT pull] objtool/urgent for v5.19-rc1
23:57 DaemonFC; <schestowitz_TR2> just to remind you
23:58 DaemonFC; Falsely accused by Democrat judges and a RINO prosecutor and paraded around in court over a misdemeanor because I'm white while they let people setting fires, vandalizing, looting, murdering, raping, and watching child porn go or give them 90 days in county at the worst.
23:58 DaemonFC; This place is a fucking joke.
23:59 DaemonFC; Part of the Big Lie is that the judges are neutral and you have rights.
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