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00:01 ulf; with my distro, not only will a 512MiB raspi suffice to run all free software, it will suffice to develop all software from source too
00:01 ulf; that's very important for me
00:01 MinceR; your distro won't run all free software
00:02 ulf; and another reason, why i hate the GNU toolchain, because it takes hours to compile, test and see fail again and again and again
00:02 ulf; MinceR: there is far less "free" software remaining than you might be aware of
00:02 MinceR; suuuuuure
00:02 MinceR; and your distro will enforce that, just like FSF-endorsed OS-es do
00:02 ulf; enforce what?
00:03 MinceR; their number one requirement of endorsement is to make it difficult to install software they've deemed to be nonfree
00:03 TR News; Emmabunts 1.02 Brings Debian Bullseye 11.4 Goodies, Improves UEFI/Secure Boot Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167935
00:03 TR Bot; Emmabunts 1.02 Brings Debian Bullseye 11.4 Goodies, Improves UEFI/Secure Boot Support | Tux Machines
00:03 MinceR; locking out software such as runit, on the other hand, is not a problem to them
00:03 ulf; what an irony, GNOME is blacklisted, and i hope for the GNU toolchain will follow soon
00:03 MinceR; neither is pretending that the biggest NSA backdoor is free software
00:04 ulf; although, i do not lock it out, it was GNOME and GNU who locked me out
00:05 ulf; i consider it a badge of honor, collecting bans on libera and wherever else they're spreading their lies
00:06 phanes; lol
00:06 phanes; its pretty easy to get banned there
00:06 phanes; they actually pay someone to stare at their logs looking for my alts
00:06 MinceR; lol
00:07 phanes; im half a dozen people on there right now
00:08 MinceR; illibera staff taught me to avoid them long before illibera even existed
00:08 phanes; yeah same
00:08 phanes; christian fuchs is one of the worst things to happen to that place
00:09 phanes; not because of who is personally, which is enough on its own, but because of what can happen under his watch
00:09 TR News; Severity 9.8 out of 10. "The affected product may allow an attacker to retrieve passwords in cleartext due to a weak hashing algorithm." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-238-03
00:09 TR Bot; Delta Electronics DIAEnergie (Update C) | CISA
00:10 TR News; "may allow an attacker to plant new files (such as DLLs) or replace existing executable files." DLLs... what platform uses DLL? 9.8 out of 10 in severity. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-081-01
00:10 TR Bot; Delta Electronics DIAEnergie (Update C) | CISA
00:11 DaemonFC; You really don't want to park on the street in this city.
00:11 MinceR; i don't want to park in budapest
00:11 DaemonFC; Drunks smash into parked cars all the time and then flee quickly.
00:11 TR News; view
00:12 TR News; Kenyas Threat to Ban Facebook Could Backfire | WIRED https://www.wired.com/story/kenya-facebook-elections-hate-speech-ban/ Source: wired | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.wired.com/story/kenya-facebook-elections-hate-speech-ban/
00:12 TR Bot; Threat to Ban Facebook Could Backfire | WIRED
00:12 DaemonFC; And that's if the cops don't write you a parking ticket. They like doing that. It snows and then you see about 50 people with a parking ticket on your way out that morning.
00:12 MinceR; when a tree was broken in a storm, it crushed the front of my car, i couldn't use it for ~half a year, the local government admitted their responsibility but never paid for the damages
00:12 MinceR; i hate this fucking excuse for a country
00:13 DaemonFC; How is it the government's fault a tree fell during a thunderstorm?
00:13 DaemonFC; That's sort of what trees do.
00:13 DaemonFC; Doesn't your comprehensive insurance cover that?
00:14 DaemonFC; I don't want to lose the car. The insurance company will have to write me a check eventually, but they're going to try to lowball it to where I'll never find a decent car to drive for what they pay on it.
00:15 DaemonFC; Then I get to deal with my spouse getting fired for not being able to get to work.
00:16 DaemonFC; Then if by some miracle, you find a car and he doesn't get fired for absences before you do, the insurance company will still punish you for having the tree land on your car.
00:16 DaemonFC; It was an Act of God, you say. Punish God.
00:16 DaemonFC; He's done worse things.
00:16 TR News; Theyve just done it again, less than a day later. http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/linux-today-zdnet/ Linux Today posting Webspam
00:16 TR Bot; Weird Editorial Choices in Linux Today These Past Few Hours (Updated) | Techrights
00:17 MinceR; 03 011326 < DaemonFC> How is it the government's fault a tree fell during a thunderstorm?
00:17 MinceR; the street belongs to them, it's their duty to keep it in order
00:17 DaemonFC; MinceR, I like "Frank" on F is for Family. He rants all the time. He said God used to go easier on people with kids, like having Polio take a couple back.
00:17 MinceR; which includes removing dead trees
00:17 DaemonFC; Sovereign Immunity
00:17 MinceR; my insurance covers it, but i have to pay more for it in the future
00:17 TR News; Go 1.19 Release Notes https://go.dev/doc/go1.19
00:17 TR Bot; Go 1.19 Release Notes - The Go Programming Language
00:17 MinceR; fuck sovereign immunity
00:17 MinceR; fuck the state
00:17 MinceR; and especially fuck hungary
00:17 DaemonFC; The government can admit fault and still not have anything happen to it.
00:18 MinceR; that's probably true, since there's no rule of law in this shithole
00:18 MinceR; (then again, there's no rule of law anywhere)
00:18 DaemonFC; Oh no, that's how it works here too.
00:18 MinceR; that's because there's no rule of law in the USA either
00:18 MinceR; the rules apply to you, but they don't apply to your government
00:18 MinceR; and they don't apply to rich people
00:18 DaemonFC; Yep.
00:18 MinceR; this is one of those things humans love to boast about that they're incapable of
00:18 DaemonFC; Like the 30 day requirement to make a decision about your FOID Card.
00:18 DaemonFC; Then they take 18 months.
00:19 MinceR; "intelligence", and then the majority is more stupid than most lifeforms (and objects) on this planet
00:19 MinceR; "civilization", which apparently consists of empowering sociopaths, fucking everyone else, and just about everyone harming everyone else in whatever way they can, even if it doesn't even benefit them
00:19 MinceR; "rule of law", except for the state, or rich people
00:20 MinceR; i'm fucking done with this species
00:21 ulf; anyway, don't know yet, if the GNU debugger can be used with binaries emitted from tinycc compiler, probably not
00:21 ulf; just a random thought again
00:22 MinceR; probably can be
00:22 MinceR; though if you want debug symbols, they need to be in a format gdb can understand
00:23 TR News; Linux Mint 21 keeps the crown, but for how long? Cinnamon, MATE and XFCE review - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rnEo_rkamqQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/rnEo_rkamqQ
00:23 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 keeps the crown, but for how long? Cinnamon, MATE and XFCE review - Invidious
00:23 ulf; nope, tcc test.c && file a.out ... stripped
00:23 ulf; i'll have to live with it
00:23 MinceR; maybe you can tell tcc to include debug symbols
00:23 MinceR; it won't be terribly useful for a developer if it can't do tha
00:23 MinceR; t
00:24 phanes; "rule of law", except for the state, or rich people <-- have you tried just not being poor
00:25 ulf; oh, tcc -g report not stripped, stupid me...
00:25 ulf; have to test this
00:25 ulf; the last version of GDB i could salvage is gdb-7.12
00:25 ulf; any later contained c++
00:28 TR News; The GNU C Library version 2.36 is now available https://lwn.net/ml/libc-alpha/9174a0aa-cb9b-aafa-a4cd-e0ccdee65d98@redhat.com/
00:28 TR Bot; GNU C Library version 2.36 is now available [LWN.net]
00:29 TR News; Ubuntu Blog: Patterns to achieve database High Availability https://ubuntu.com//blog/database-high-availability
00:29 TR Bot; to achieve database High Availability | Ubuntu
00:30 MinceR; 03 012459 < phanes> "rule of law", except for the state, or rich people <-- have you tried just not being poor
00:30 MinceR; you mean, have i tried just being born rich
00:30 MinceR; no, i haven't
00:30 phanes; i wasn't born rich
00:31 MinceR; and if i can choose, i will never again be born as a human, or near humans
00:31 MinceR; existing in a human body is also pure torture
00:31 MinceR; nothing fucking works in this piece of shit
00:32 phanes; i was given good enough genes to squander and still be fine. i eat like 3000 calories a day, am largely sedentary and am still somehow in shape
00:32 MinceR; good for you
00:32 phanes; look im just saying
00:32 phanes; its not your circumstances
00:32 phanes; its you
00:33 phanes; :D
00:33 MinceR; riiiiiight
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00:37 TR News; Who Is Collecting Data from Your Car? The Markup https://themarkup.org/the-breakdown/2022/07/27/who-is-collecting-data-from-your-car Source: themarkup | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//themarkup.org/the-breakdown/2022/07/27/who-is-collecting-data-from-your-car
00:37 TR Bot; Who Is Collecting Data from Your Car? The Markup
00:37 ulf; finally, the raspi1 compatible toolchain and firmware compiled, linked, booted
00:38 TR News; Open source laptop PineBook Pro is shipping again Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167936
00:38 TR Bot; Open source laptop PineBook Pro is shipping again | Tux Machines
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00:38 TR News; Videos: Linux Mint 21 and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167937
00:38 TR Bot; Videos: Linux Mint 21 and More | Tux Machines
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00:39 matey; new theory (not entirely new)
00:39 TR News; Exploitable remotely https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-20-212-04
00:39 TR Bot; Mitsubishi Electric Factory Automation Engineering Products (Update H) | CISA
00:39 matey; the fsf was basically an iron man suit for rms
00:39 matey; what he could do, he could do better with the fsf
00:39 matey; fighting for free software
00:40 TR News; "Successful exploitation of these vulnerabilities may cause a denial-of-service condition. " https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-049-02
00:40 TR Bot; Mitsubishi Electric FA Engineering Software Products (Update F) | CISA
00:40 MinceR; and then he gave up
00:40 matey; he could have passed the suit on, not everyone can wear it
00:40 matey; he was conned, imo
00:40 matey; but yeah, hes not really fighting
00:40 matey; the suit has been taken out of his hands
00:40 matey; and it wont do any good in the hands of someone who isnt "suited" to it
00:41 MinceR; how do you con the founder of the free software movement that CLOSED WONTFIX and vendor lock-in respect the freedom of the users and their community?
00:41 matey; i dont know if oliva could have worn it. i think that was the idea
00:41 matey; certainly one of the ideas.
00:41 MinceR; did he forget the Free Software Definition? (he probably did...)
00:41 matey; i dont think stallman forgot the fsd
00:41 matey; i think he discovered it, like einstein discovered relativity
00:41 MinceR; then why did he say that cancerd is free software because it's under a free software license?
00:41 matey; and i think he didnt figure out all 5 parts of it
00:41 MinceR; he didn't discover enough of it
00:41 MinceR; yeah
00:42 matey; when we discovered atoms, that wasnt wrong
00:42 matey; but atoms are made of subatomic particles, we found out
00:42 matey; and i think the 4 freedoms are made of sub-four-freedom particles
00:42 matey; mostly though, i think the force that holds them together is the freedom to NOT run the software
00:43 matey; if you dont have that, the freedom to change the software cant keep up with corporations taking a big shit in your lap
00:43 matey; thats what happened
00:43 matey; a good scientist looks at the world and discerns rules
00:43 matey; the world before us contradicts the 4 freedoms
00:43 matey; there were 3-- freedom 0 was added not just because computers count from 0
00:43 matey; the original first freedom was freedom 1.
00:44 matey; now the first freedom is freedom 0, because the freedom to use the software for any purpose is foundational.
00:44 matey; they added 0 last.
00:44 TR News; Public Knowledge Commends FCC, NTIA for New Memorandum Improving Spectrum Resource Coordination - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-commends-fcc-ntia-for-new-memorandum-improving-spectrum-resource-coordination/ Source: publicknowledge |
00:44 TR Bot; Public Knowledge Commends FCC, NTIA for New Memorandum Improving Spectrum Resource Coordination - Public Knowledge
00:44 matey; i dont care if the fifth freedom is freedom -1 (appropriate) or freedom 4
00:44 matey; i do care that i have the freedom to NOT run the software
00:45 TR News; # Perl Weekly Challenge 176: Permuted Multiples and Reversible Numbers http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/08/-perl-weekly-challenge-176-permuted-multiples-and-reversible-numbers.html
00:45 TR Bot; Perl Weekly Challenge 176: Permuted Multiples and Reversible Numbers | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
00:45 matey; this implies a reasonable level of modularity-- everything being tied to systemd goes against that freedom
00:45 matey; freedom 3 (share modified versions) is dependent on the freedom to not run the software
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00:45 matey; if you cant NOT run it, there is no changing it really
00:45 matey; they have what they want-- control
00:45 matey; the freedom to not be controlled should be so obvious, its implicit
00:46 TR News; Libre Arts - 8 audio editors for Linux that are not Audacity Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167938
00:46 TR Bot; Libre Arts - 8 audio editors for Linux that are not Audacity | Tux Machines
00:46 matey; some idiot came along and shitconned rms into ignoring implicit freedoms and focusing on explicit ones
00:46 matey; oops.
00:46 matey; scalia had the same attitude towards the bill of rights
00:46 matey; he was a literalist
00:46 MinceR; has scalia ever cared about human rights?
00:46 matey; without the spirit of the law, the letter of the law kills
00:46 MinceR; wasn't he always a "republican"?
00:46 matey; scalia was a letter of the law guy
00:46 MinceR; so, no
00:46 TR News; Feren OS is a Linux distribution that is as lovely as it is easy to use Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167939
00:46 TR Bot; Feren OS is a Linux distribution that is as lovely as it is easy to use | Tux Machines
00:46 matey; idk, he was shit on toast no matter what his leaning was
00:47 MinceR; just another concrete-headed fascist
00:47 matey; democrats all shit on the constitution when they renew the patriot act
00:47 matey; biden is democrat and takes credit for writing it. rumsfeld got it passed, hes a republican
00:47 matey; bipartisan fascism, or whatever it is by another name
00:47 TR News; "transformational leaders" = people who add vendor lock-in, call it "transformation" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/what-transformational-leaders-do-differently
00:47 TR Bot; What transformational leaders do differently | The Enterprisers Project
00:47 MinceR; yeah
00:48 matey; without the freedom to not run the software, freedom 3 falls apart.
00:48 matey; without freedom 3, its hard to keep exact copies working while the rest changes.
00:48 matey; so theres freedom 2
00:48 matey; without 3 and 2, how are you going to study the software?
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00:48 TR News; 7 stay interview questions to gauge employee satisfaction | The Enterprisers Project https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/stay-interview-questions Source: enterprisersproject
00:48 TR Bot; 7 'stay interview' questions to gauge employee satisfaction | The Enterprisers Project
00:48 matey; and without all of those, how can you dream of using it for any purpose?
00:49 matey; so really, its probably a little inaccurate but certainly not cynical to say
00:49 matey; that the freedom to NOT run the software is the force that holds the other freedoms together
00:49 TR News; "A big Thank You! goes to our astounding sponsors for their support in bringing Fedora Friends together in 2022. Thank you Red Hat, Lenovo, AlmaLinux, openSUSE, GitLab, Datto, and Das Keyboard." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/nest-with-fedora-2022-thanks-to-our-sponsors/
00:49 TR Bot; Nest with Fedora 2022: Thanks to our Sponsors! Fedora Community Blog
00:49 matey; and systemd goes against that (implicit) freedom
00:49 matey; which stallman unfortunately never discovered
00:49 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/1524465647786381312-2048x1133.jpg
00:49 matey; it was hiding in plain sight all this time
00:49 matey; so no, i dont think he forgot the fsd
00:49 matey; i think he just didnt complete it
00:50 MinceR; he forgot even the parts he completed
00:50 matey; he outsourced them to the license
00:50 MinceR; his statement on the massive NSA backdoor flies right in the face of the FSD
00:50 matey; he thinks if the license promises 4 freedoms, you have 4 freedoms
00:50 matey; the idea that you can work around the license without violating it-- hes got the same logical issue as every scalia argument ever
00:50 TR News; Creating an Ansible controller config as code pipeline https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/creating-ansible-controller-config-code-pipeline Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/en/blog/creating-ansible-controller-config-code-pipeline
00:50 TR Bot; Creating an Ansible controller config as code pipeline
00:51 matey; you very much can work around the license, and thats what open source and microsoft spent 20 years working on
00:51 matey; and they did it
00:51 matey; they can take control of gpl software
00:51 matey; just buy out the non-profit that maintains it, and voila
00:51 matey; create foundation-- give everything to foundation-- bribe foundation-- control the software.
00:51 matey; its not rocket science. its not a hollow moon.
00:51 matey; its just how corporations work.
00:52 matey; it even works against the fsf itself.
00:52 matey; theyve basically created a sort of dummy to put the rms suit onto
00:52 matey; like when they setup that tripod thing that let them into cerebro on xmen
00:52 matey; "welcome, professor"
00:52 TR News; "Only that you do not need to be good enough. Not a single one of us is, we all have gaps in our knowledge, we all have missing talents. Yet Mageia is still there, since over a decade. Why? Because, by bundling our very different skills and talents and by bundling our available time, Mageia became good as a whole." https://blog.mageia.org/en/2022/08/02/so-you-are-not-good-enough-to-contribute/
00:52 TR Bot; So you are not good enough to contribute? | Mageia Blog (English)
00:53 matey; cerebro wasnt intended as a weapon
00:53 matey; but they weaponised open source and they used it against the fsf
00:54 ulf; i think it's a breakthrough, if "Free Software" development can be brought back onto where it belongs, cost-effective low-power systems
00:54 matey; heres what would have avoided that... in theory
00:54 matey; the fsf could have trained people to be more like rms
00:54 matey; they could have made stronger activists
00:54 matey; but that wasnt the fsf model
00:54 matey; the fsf model was to parrot things
00:55 TR News; [GIT PULL] printk for 5.20 - Petr Mladek https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YufsTLpighCI7qSf@alley/
00:55 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] printk for 5.20 - Petr Mladek
00:55 matey; and they got parrots
00:55 matey; sure, you want some kind of integrity to exist between message and messenger
00:55 matey; they chose the parrot model
00:55 TR News; [GIT PULL] SPI updates for v5.20 - Mark Brown https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220801123832.C1E2EC433D6@smtp.kernel.org/
00:55 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] SPI updates for v5.20 - Mark Brown
00:55 matey; if instead they had trained stronger activists
00:55 matey; something they were never equipped to do
00:56 matey; when open source stormed the castle there would have been a (rhetorical) reckoning
00:56 ulf; simple question, what good is any "free software" if it cannot be used nor developed on lower power embedded and cost-effective systems?
00:56 matey; there would have been a shitstorm,
00:56 matey; instead there was a whimper that lasted 2 years or more.
00:56 TR News; Fedora Family / Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167940
00:56 TR Bot; Fedora Family / Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
00:56 matey; the whimper heard round the world
00:56 matey; of the fsf dying
00:57 ulf; with c++ removal, i crunched down the distfiles folder from more than 1TiB to a few GiB
00:57 ulf; which easily fits onto a microsd available for $5
00:57 matey; people will have to try to build their own fsf
00:57 matey; its not the easiest thing to do
00:57 TR News; Sparky [Linux] news 2022/07 https://sparkylinux.org/sparky-news-2022-07/
00:57 TR Bot; Sparky news 2022/07 SparkyLinux
00:58 matey; everyone was trained on twinkies and fruit roll-ups
00:58 matey; and we have no stallmans left, including stallman
00:59 matey; free software wont cease to matter, as long as there are computers in our lives
00:59 matey; i dont think thats going to change soon
00:59 matey; but the fsf, as a platform for advocacy, is fucking worthless
00:59 matey; they dont stand for anything
00:59 TR News; Why WordPress Is a Good First Platform for Students https://thishosting.rocks/why-wordpress-is-a-good-first-platform-for-students/ Source: thishosting | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//thishosting.rocks/why-wordpress-is-a-good-first-platform-for-students/
00:59 TR Bot; Why WordPress Is a Good First Platform for Students
00:59 matey; people who would advocate know its destroyed
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
00:59 matey; roy wont admit it, but he does obviously see that advocates are pushed to do their thing at lieplanet
01:00 matey; and lieplanet turns away anyone with something to say
01:00 ulf; show me at least one "free software" distribution which can be used AND fully developed 100% from source on a raspi zero type system
01:00 matey; and the result is pablum on a podium with a mic in front of it
01:00 matey; talking to no one
01:00 matey; about nothing
01:01 TR News; Godot Engine - Maintenance release: Godot 3.4.5 https://godotengine.org/article/maintenance-release-godot-3-4-5 Source: godotengine | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//godotengine.org/article/maintenance-release-godot-3-4-5
01:01 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Maintenance release: Godot 3.4.5
01:01 matey; its painful to watch
01:01 matey; if the real thing is ever rebuilt, youll be able to see it
01:01 matey; people will believe in the idea again
01:01 matey; and you wont have to guess why
01:02 matey; but i have no faith in the fsf
01:02 matey; theyre traitors too now
01:02 matey; but not as bad as the ones who made it that way
01:02 matey; i mean they could be forgiven
01:02 matey; but maybe not trusted
01:03 matey; im speaking in broad terms of course, and exceptions dont mean the rule doesnt exist
01:03 matey; most rules have exceptions. even the crazy rules.
01:03 matey; even the zero tolerance ones arent really zero tolerance
01:03 matey; they always make exceptions for the right (special) people
01:03 TR News; Introducing multitasking to Arduino | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/02/introducing-multitasking-to-arduino/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/02/introducing-multitasking-to-arduino/
01:04 TR Bot; Introducing multitasking to Arduino | Arduino Blog
01:04 matey; the codes of conduct are applied more unevenly than the rules that preceded them
01:04 matey; thats the true farce of course
01:04 matey; because they were pushed in on a theme of "we dont make exceptions even for the leaders"
01:04 TR News; YaST Development Report - Chapter 6 of 2022 | YaST https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/2022-08-02/yast-report-2022-6 Source: yast | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yast.opensuse.org/blog/2022-08-02/yast-report-2022-6
01:04 TR Bot; ( status 503 @ https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/2022-08-02/yast-report-2022-6 )
01:04 matey; yes you do-- youre even more full of shit about good people
01:04 matey; about the best people
01:05 matey; what they really meant was theyd have cause to stoop lower and be more vicious
01:05 matey; but its no surprise that sounds better the way they put it
01:06 TR News; EasyOS 32-bit Dunfell-series version 4.3.1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167816#comment-34495
01:06 TR Bot; EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.3 | Tux Machines
01:07 MinceR; 03 020019 < ulf> show me at least one "free software" distribution which can be used AND fully developed 100% from source on a raspi zero type system
01:07 MinceR; i don't think such a thing exists
01:07 MinceR; or will exist in the near future
01:08 TR News; But this is a Microsoft Mono problem https://boilingsteam.com/porting-roblox-game-to-steam-find-the-cats/
01:08 TR Bot; Porting a Roblox Game to Steam with Unity: the Case of "Find the Cats" - Boiling Steam
01:08 ulf; MinceR: certainly not with a toolchain from Mapple or the GNU/FSF one
01:10 TR News; FOSSlife Team promoting Microsoft, which attacks FOSS https://www.fosslife.org/get-started-typescript
01:10 TR Bot; Get Started with TypeScript
01:11 ulf; raspi1 arrived 2013 already, almost 10years ago
01:11 TR News; Transpeed P10 Android 10 Full HD projector features Allwinner H700 SoC https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/02/transpeed-p10-android-10-full-hd-projector-features-allwinner-h700-soc/
01:11 TR Bot; Transpeed P10 Android 10 Full HD projector features Allwinner H700 SoC - CNX Software
01:12 ulf; FSF/GNU missed all chances, they haven't realized, what the potential was for "free software", if a raspi1 type system sufficed for all software development
01:12 TR News; [PATCH v8 00/31] Rust support - Miguel Ojeda https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220802015052.10452-1-ojeda@kernel.org/ Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220802015052.10452-1-ojeda@kernel.org/
01:12 TR Bot; [PATCH v8 00/31] Rust support - Miguel Ojeda
01:13 ulf; instead, they blew up their toolchain, too since year 2013
01:13 TR News; [GIT PULL] Btrfs updates for 5.20 - David Sterba https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/cover.1659357652.git.dsterba@suse.com/ Source: suse | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/cover.1659357652.git.dsterba@suse.com/
01:13 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] Btrfs updates for 5.20 - David Sterba
01:13 MinceR; they probably never cared much for it in the first place, considering that it relied on proprietary software to boot
01:13 MinceR; (iirc someone did make a lot of progress in making it boot with only free software, though)
01:13 TR News; [PATCH v2 00/10] x86/resctrl: Support for AMD QoS new features and bug fix - Babu Moger https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/165938717220.724959.10931629283087443782.stgit@bmoger-ubuntu/ Source: bmoger-ubuntu | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/165938717220.724959.10931629283087443782.stgit@bmoger-ubuntu/
01:13 TR Bot; [PATCH v2 00/10] x86/resctrl: Support for AMD QoS new features and bug fix - Babu Moger
01:15 ulf; they didn't care for moving the entire development 100% from source onto such a system
01:15 TR News; "Most manufacturers of consumer-grade network routers (both Ethernet and Wi-Fi) brand their products as Gigabit Routers. At the very least, itll say Gigabit Ethernet. However, neither term necessarily means the router can fully exploit your gigabit internet connection." https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/gigabit-router.html
01:15 TR Bot; Gigabit Router doesnt mean it can deliver gigabit internet speed | Ctrl blog
01:15 ulf; for this, they preferred proprieaty systems from Wintel, nowadays with 16cores and tons of RAM, to compile some "free" software such as webkit or libreoffice
01:16 ulf; GNOME
01:16 TR News; Spotlight on SIG Docs | Kubernetes https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/08/02/sig-docs-spotlight-2022/ Source: kubernetes | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//kubernetes.io/blog/2022/08/02/sig-docs-spotlight-2022/
01:16 TR Bot; Spotlight on SIG Docs | Kubernetes
01:18 ulf; anyway, my toolchain and binaries are raspi1 compatible again, not armv7
01:19 ulf; and it's some certain mind-set and attitude, among GNU/FSF too
01:19 ulf; to offer a "free software" toolchain which hits OOM regularly with g++
01:19 ulf; haven't tried yet on a raspi with 256MiB RAM or 512MiB, never will
01:22 TR News; Update #2: Fourth time in a day. Linux Today probably gets paid to post this spam. http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/linux-today-zdnet/
01:22 TR Bot; Weird Editorial Choices in Linux Today These Past Few Hours (Updatedx2) | Techrights
01:26 TR News; "This is the first part of a 3 part series of blog posts surrounding Kali usage on Raspberry Pi devices. This first post will cover enabling Full Disk Encryption (FDE) on a Raspberry Pi, part two will cover remotely connecting to it, and finally, part three will cover debugging issues we ran into while making these posts, so others can learn how to do so as well." https://www.kali.org/blog/secure-kali-raspberry-pi/
01:26 TR Bot; Secure Kali Pi (2022) | Kali Linux Blog
01:30 TR News; How Does the Linux Kernel Work? The Linux Kernel Anatomy Explained Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167941
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01:31 TR Bot; How Does the Linux Kernel Work? The Linux Kernel Anatomy Explained | Tux Machines
01:31 TR News; Steinar H. Gunderson: AV1 live streaming: The bitrate difference https://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2022-08-02-23-11_av1_live_streaming_the_bitrate_difference.html
01:31 TR Bot; Steinar H. Gunderson
01:32 TR News; Bicom 6.6.0 "PBXware" is out. Based on Gentoo. http://www.bicomsystems.com/products/pbxware/
01:32 TR Bot; Bicom Systems - PBXware IP PBX - Multi-Tenant, Call Center, Business
01:36 TR News; Public Knowledge President and CEO Chris Lewis To Testify Before Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Spectrums Future - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-president-and-ceo-chris-lewis-to-testify-before-senate-commerce-subcommittee-on-spectrums-future/ Source: publicknowledge
01:36 TR Bot; Public Knowledge President and CEO Chris Lewis To Testify Before Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Spectrums Future - Public Knowledge
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01:37 matey; one of several things roy deserves credit for pointing out
01:37 matey; is that the fsf started its associate programme due to running out of his grants etc
01:37 matey; i dont know how true that is, its probably mostly true at a minimum
01:38 matey; but its plausble
01:38 matey; so first it was running mostly on grants, then shifted to donations
01:38 matey; then came corporate sponsors
01:38 matey; imo they should have been more about volunteers
01:39 matey; and less about money, though who knows if they could have kept a building, etc
01:39 matey; probably not
01:39 TR News; ICBM wants to dominate RasPi too https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RaspberryPi4
01:39 TR Bot; Changes/RaspberryPi4 - Fedora Project Wiki
01:39 matey; every time they added something to the budget they became less independent
01:39 matey; most orgs wouldnt worry about that
01:39 matey; however, the same thing happens to most orgs
01:40 TR News; Chrome 104... new bugs https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2022/08/stable-channel-update-for-desktop.html
01:40 TR Bot; Chrome Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop
01:40 matey; over time they get bought out. then they sell out.
01:40 matey; stallman never ran the org, he ran the movement
01:40 TR News; Tails 5.3.1 is out Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167942
01:40 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: well put
01:40 matey; he didnt know how orgs work-- so he left that to people who do
01:40 schestowitz[TR2]; he did grassroots
01:40 TR Bot; Tails 5.3.1 is out | Tux Machines
01:40 matey; problem is orgs work the way they work
01:40 schestowitz[TR2]; but when the grants run low the people he hired want to secure a salary
01:41 matey; and sooner or later, they will take over
01:41 TR News; GNU Octave 7.2 Released! Heres PPA for Ubuntu 22.04 | 20.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167943
01:41 TR Bot; GNU Octave 7.2 Released! Heres PPA for Ubuntu 22.04 | 20.04 | Tux Machines
01:41 matey; now you have an org past its prime and a movement that is defined via an org past its prime
01:41 matey; and by past its prime i mean its entered the "i dont give a shit about anything other than marketing and fundraising" point of its existence
01:41 MinceR; more like an org that has become useless
01:42 matey; oh thats what im describing, yes
01:42 matey; its an org only good for what money can do
01:42 matey; and while money wasnt a terrible thing to have
01:42 matey; its a terrible thing for the free software movement to be based on
01:42 TR News; "All hardware operations reply to commands given through the OS. Being an open software, Linux makes a top choice for eCommerce due to its wide range of advantages." https://www.unixmen.com/linux-or-windows-for-ecommerce/
01:42 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/linux-or-windows-for-ecommerce/ )
01:42 matey; for reasons you can plainly see
01:42 matey; perhaps im misattributing all that. im not, but its worth mentioning.
01:43 matey; its the f$f, not the fsf
01:43 matey; this isnt even unfair
01:43 matey; this is what orgs that are 35+ DO.
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01:43 matey; as long as you serve a purpose that for-profits can hook into, youre good.
01:43 matey; they can hook into things that provide relief to the homeless for example
01:44 matey; it helps their image and the homelessness problem doesnt actually get solved
01:44 matey; so everyone is happy
01:44 matey; except the homeless of course
01:44 matey; but who gives a shit about them anyway
01:44 matey; but that model doesnt work with free software
01:44 matey; its about actually standing up to corporations
01:44 matey; once it hooks into donations, its going to get paid to soften on that
01:45 matey; when free software is softened and more about money-- thats not free software
01:45 matey; they already coined a term for what that is in 1998
01:45 matey; so the fsfs days were numbered
01:45 matey; and it was destined to become osi ii
01:45 matey; or osiii if you like
01:45 TR News; OpenChrome, An Open Source Driver, Is Not Yet Ready To Be https://www.opensourceforu.com/2022/08/openchrome-an-open-source-driver-is-not-yet-ready-to-be-integrated-into-linux-5-20/
01:45 TR Bot; OpenChrome, An Open Source Driver, Is Not Yet Ready To Be
01:46 matey; a wilier stallman would have seen this coming, built an ejector seat into his office, and left with a huge stunt
01:46 matey; instead hes a hostage
01:46 matey; he didnt plan for this
01:46 matey; i dont blame him for this
01:46 matey; ive made that clear enough
01:46 matey; i blame the people who actually did this
01:46 matey; but its still true, a perfect and infallible stallman (even the one we had is pretty amazing) would have seen this coming
01:47 matey; but i already said-- he doesnt understand orgs. he had other people worry about that
01:47 TR News; IDG at it again... sponsored by Microsoft. 5 terrible reasons angry nerds say I should switch to Linux | PCWorld https://www.pcworld.com/article/820164/5-reasons-angry-nerds-switch-linux.html Source: pcworld
01:47 TR Bot; terrible reasons angry nerds say I should switch to Linux | PCWorld
01:47 matey; delegeting: good. not understanding the nature of the beast that would take over the movement: not as good
01:47 matey; im not any better, i only see this now... i SORT of saw it coming
01:47 matey; but not the same way he would have needed to to prevent it
01:48 matey; they wont let him out of their manipulation
01:48 matey; hes going to remain a hostage
01:48 matey; like assange in the embassy
01:49 matey; granted he was taking refuge there, it was only incidentally a prison for him
01:49 matey; much nicer than the one hes in now
01:49 matey; the embassy wasnt the real prison, only the world outside it was
01:49 matey; but that certainly suffices
01:50 TR News; Just that same promotional FUD from Atlas VPN, using the wrong yardstick and a fake "model" of security https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/new-linux-malware-surges/
01:50 TR Bot; Linux Malware Surges, Surpassing Android | eSecurityPlanet
01:50 matey; like torvalds, hes more "diplomatic" now
01:50 TR News; Proper GNU/Linux lets you do far more, plus it does not spy on you https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/opinion/why-i-use-a-chromebook/
01:50 TR Bot; Why I use a Chromebook
01:50 matey; he says what he knows he can say. its a lot less than he used to say
01:50 schestowitz[TR2]; now?
01:51 schestowitz[TR2]; wait
01:51 schestowitz[TR2]; why NOW?
01:51 matey; go ahead
01:51 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe more so now?
01:51 schestowitz[TR2]; after they bullie him
01:51 matey; i dont understand the question
01:51 schestowitz[TR2]; *cry)bullied
01:51 matey; thats my point
01:51 matey; if i get what youre saying
01:51 schestowitz[TR2]; ok
01:51 matey; torvalds wasnt more "diplomatic" until they made a hostage out of him
01:51 matey; torvalds was a great guy, but he was better than the new shills
01:51 matey; wasnt ^
01:52 matey; wasnt a great guy, but WAS better than those who would replace him
01:52 schestowitz[TR2]; it's a "Reards" system
01:52 matey; they made him more diplomatic
01:52 schestowitz[TR2]; be more like this, get bullied less
01:52 matey; exctly
01:52 matey; same with stallman, thats how i predicted it
01:52 schestowitz[TR2]; this = [add your conformist attributes here]
01:52 matey; i knew it would follow the same trajectory as torvalds
01:52 matey; and torvalds came back too
01:53 matey; but the real torvalds never did
01:53 schestowitz[TR2]; wow, 1:52am, managed to catch up with feeds
01:53 matey; he will always be torvalds-lite
01:53 schestowitz[TR2]; recovering from that massive 6-hour outage and still resorring the raspi
01:53 schestowitz[TR2]; it'll take another half day
01:53 matey; dont you use it only for serving gemini
01:53 schestowitz[TR2]; yes
01:53 matey; i mean ifps
01:54 schestowitz[TR2]; it's back online since yesterday evening
01:54 matey; ipfs
01:54 schestowitz[TR2]; but missing some months' of poages, I copy theem across now from backup
01:54 matey; ok
01:54 schestowitz[TR2]; ipfs also
01:54 DaemonFC; Okay, I gave the bathroom its once every 3 month chemical nuking.
01:54 schestowitz[TR2]; but it's les urgent
01:55 DaemonFC; I have a serious, serious, mold problem in there unless I use that microban stuff.
01:55 matey; yeah i guess reimaging is harder for a pi, and i/o makes syncing a bitch
01:55 DaemonFC; It stops it from growing for a few months.
01:55 schestowitz[TR2]; the only 'good' thing about the outage was, they finally find the source of this past issue and fixed it... had to dig up a giant hold and replace cable
01:55 schestowitz[TR2]; *hole
01:55 matey; nice
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01:56 matey; so the fsf model was parrot what we say
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01:56 matey; and they did
01:56 matey; then they beat a new personality into stallman
01:56 matey; nice job, lads
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01:56 matey; now the fsf model is bow to lieplanet and stallman wont say shit
01:56 matey; and the parrots, the loyalists, also wont say shit
01:56 matey; but the parrotmaster is dead
01:57 matey; i should point out, stallman didnt intentionally create an army of parrots. hes been very clear he didnt want even one!
01:57 matey; please dont give me a parrot
01:57 matey; but he got thousands
01:58 matey; he should have created an army of replacement stallmans
01:58 matey; easier said then done. parrots are easy.
01:58 matey; almost as easy as snakes (far side reference: man, these are a cinch!)
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
02:00 matey; one the innocent but misguided assumptions stallman worked with was thinking that people would start thinking for themselves if he gave them the right ideas
02:00 matey; then for years, people either argued with him or climbed over each other to agree
02:00 matey; its better than nothing, look at how far we got
02:01 matey; but its not sustainable
02:01 matey; and what we have in its place isnt better
02:01 matey; its complete bullshit
02:01 matey; but theoretically it solves every problem they thought free software had
02:01 matey; most of which has fuck all to do with free software
02:02 matey; so hooray for that
02:02 matey; if truth parrots dont a sustainable movement make, the bullshit pigs arent an upgrade
02:03 matey; they rode in on "any problem is fixable if you ram a solution down peoples throats"
02:03 matey; basically they came in like systemd
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02:04 matey; even ibm was there
02:04 matey; in red hat form
02:05 matey; any SUCCESSFUL effort to build another fsf
02:05 matey; will have to consider these things
02:05 matey; otherwise theyre just building another osi
02:05 MinceR; 03 025050 < techrights-news> Proper GNU/Linux lets you do far more, plus it does not spy on you https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/opinion/why-i-use-a-chromebook/
02:05 TR Bot; Why I use a Chromebook
02:06 MinceR; afaik you can run GNU/Linux on those
02:06 MinceR; and they aren't burdened with uefi
02:06 matey; what about systemd
02:06 matey; a lot of gnu/linux distros are x86 only
02:07 matey; and a lot of distros are systemd only
02:07 MinceR; ah yes, Torvalds Lite, the useless edition
02:07 matey; devuan i suppose, supports the pi for example
02:07 matey; i tried to run it on a pi and gave up
02:07 matey; it was probably my fault, though the docs didnt help
02:07 MinceR; no longer daring to tell anyone who submits shitty design implemented in a shitty way that their design is shitty, their implementation is shitty, and it's not getting merged
02:07 matey; i got debian running on it
02:08 MinceR; and so now you can consider yourself lucky if the damned kernel even boots at all
02:08 matey; i used that computer a handful of times
02:08 MinceR; 03 030626 < matey> what about systemd
02:08 MinceR; no systemd needed, also not included in chrome OS, afaik
02:08 MinceR; and there are x86 chromebooks
02:08 ulf; it's shitty "free software" cannot easily be developed on cost-effective systems anymore
02:08 matey; /me nods
02:08 ulf; thanks to GNU toolchain
02:09 MinceR; maybe try SBCL then
02:09 matey; i made getting away from linux my first priority, and getting away from x86 my second priority
02:09 matey; how to do both at once i dont know
02:09 matey; i believe we can do both
02:09 MinceR; i wonder if my priorities even matter anymore
02:09 ulf; my frist priority, getting away from GNU toolchain
02:09 MinceR; i've got my ExpertBook unbricked and now if i hold the initramfs' hand _very_ tightly, i can get it to boot GNU/Linux
02:10 matey; my priorities are going okay. i have an extensible text editor like emacs, with only 46k of code
02:10 MinceR; dracut being practically undocumented isn't exactly helping
02:10 matey; its becoming extremely powerful
02:10 matey; but other than how ridiculously flexible it is, its modest as fuck
02:10 matey; and most people would laugh at it if they tried it
02:10 matey; i use it every day and fucking love it
02:11 matey; dracut being practically undocumented isn't exactly helping <- i already gave up on microsoft void
02:11 matey; but if someone forked it, i would understand. its got to be more ready for that than a lot of other options
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02:12 matey; i mean they start from that side, like gentoo starts from that side
02:12 TR News; Links 02/08/2022: Go 1.19, GNU Octave 7.2, and Tails 5.3.1 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/02/tails-5-3-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/02/tails-5-3-1/
02:12 TR Bot; Links 02/08/2022: Go 1.19, GNU Octave 7.2, and Tails 5.3.1 | Techrights
02:12 matey; credit where credit is due
02:12 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167944
02:12 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
02:13 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167945
02:13 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
02:13 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167946
02:13 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
02:14 ulf; MinceR: linux kernel isn't written in LISP, GNU utilities aren't
02:14 ulf; what would i want with LISP? not using emacs.
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02:15 TR News; Linux Mint 21 XFCE Run Through - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VT4tY4eSgII | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/VT4tY4eSgII
02:15 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 XFCE Run Through - Invidious
02:16 TR News; "Debian builds minimal SD card images for these machines already, but I wanted to use the usual ext4-on-LVM-on-LUKS setup for GNU/Linux workstations. So I used Consfigurator to build a custom image." https://spwhitton.name//blog/entry/rpi4-consfigurator/
02:16 TR Bot; Setting up a single-board desktop replacement with Consfigurator
02:17 ulf; GNU/FSF paid little to no attention to what's important, with free software, which is developing it must be fun, efficient, cost-effective
02:18 ulf; a big corporation doesn't bother with an electricity bill of thousands of cash
02:18 ulf; students and independent developers however do
02:18 matey; i've got my ExpertBook unbricked and now if i hold the initramfs' hand _very_ tightly, i can get it to boot GNU/Linux
02:19 matey; there must a reason youre putting that much effort into that particular machine, so what it is
02:19 matey; is it
02:20 DaemonFC; I finally got Mandy to agree to eat liver and onions tomorrow.
02:22 TR News; UEFI Firmware Vulnerable to Malware Implants; Worse Than Legacy BIOS Ever Was | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/02/uefi-malware-implants/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/02/uefi-malware-implants/
02:22 TR Bot; UEFI Firmware Vulnerable to Malware Implants; Worse Than Legacy BIOS Ever Was | Techrights
02:28 Ariadne; i replaced my entire usecase for wordpress with 3 lines of shell scripting
02:28 Ariadne; specifically, these three lines: https://gitea.treehouse.systems/ariadne/ariadne.space/src/branch/main/.woodpecker.yml#L15-L17
02:28 TR Bot; ariadne.space/.woodpecker.yml at main - ariadne.space - Treehouse Gitea
02:28 matey; i replaced my entire usecase for wordpress with 3 lines of shell scripting <- more with less
02:28 schestowitz[TR2]; you can make it one line
02:29 schestowitz[TR2]; and it would still look good
02:29 matey; 3 lines is easier to edit
02:29 matey; and just as good
02:29 MinceR; 03 031421 < ulf> MinceR: linux kernel isn't written in LISP, GNU utilities aren't
02:29 MinceR; i thought you didn't want to use those?
02:29 schestowitz[TR2]; Ariadne: alpine has some gemini servers
02:29 MinceR; 03 031907 < matey> there must a reason youre putting that much effort into that particular machine, so what it is
02:29 matey; like she cares about gemini
02:29 schestowitz[TR2]; apk add .. server
02:29 MinceR; it's very light and very expensive
02:29 schestowitz[TR2]; same for clients, I saw at least two, installed one
02:29 MinceR; also, the most powerful machine i have in a non-gaming role
02:29 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: she does
02:30 matey; /me nods
02:30 matey; no, she thinks gemini is a joke, unless she changed her mind
02:30 matey; which is fine either way, just saying
02:30 MinceR; very light means i can keep it on my person the most, thus safeguarding its physical security the most
02:30 matey; i think gemini is awesome but its not her sort of thing
02:30 schestowitz[TR2]; we'll make tuxmachines serve over gemini too, but lots of pages
02:30 schestowitz[TR2]; you just export to gmi, just like html, into the /home/gemini/gemini directory
02:30 schestowitz[TR2]; and then sort out the index
02:30 schestowitz[TR2]; and the workflow
02:31 schestowitz[TR2]; two very major incidents today delayed progress
02:31 matey; incidentally, compared to wordpress, 3 lines of script essentially IS a one-liner
02:32 matey; its the equivalent
02:32 ulf; MinceR: yes, i want to remove as many GNU as possible, GNU toolchain in particular
02:33 ulf; their compiler
02:33 Ariadne; why
02:34 ulf; moment, MinceR, if you know any other kernel which doens't require a GNU or Mapple compiler and supports relevant hardware
02:34 ulf; Ariadne: it's not free software, and it's bad quality
02:34 matey; <MinceR> very light means i can keep it on my person the most, thus safeguarding its physical security the most <- very true
02:34 Ariadne; ulf: i'm with you on the quality, but "not free software" ?
02:34 matey; i had a slim plastic notebook like that
02:34 TR News; "Thanks to Garrett enabling Microsoft to avoid the coming lawsuits that would have happened had Security Theater Boot stopped a Windows 8 laptop from allowing Linux to boot up, today if a person tries to boot a Linux kernel" http://techrights.org/2022/08/02/uefi-malware-implants/
02:34 TR Bot; UEFI Firmware Vulnerable to Malware Implants; Worse Than Legacy BIOS Ever Was | Techrights
02:35 matey; almost flimsy, but other than the storage (one of those ssd modules) i had no complaints
02:35 matey; id probably still have that, but reasons
02:35 matey; at one point i got rid of most (not all) of my hardware
02:35 schestowitz[TR2]; we might add an array to the pi
02:36 schestowitz[TR2]; had to recuilt twice in 18 months, microsd cards are toys
02:36 schestowitz[TR2]; even the big brand names
02:36 schestowitz[TR2]; *ebuild
02:36 ulf; Ariadne: there isn't any "freedom of choice" with LLVM or GCC, one criteria, it's vendor-locked and anti-competitive malice
02:36 matey; ive moved internationally before, when i do i throw out most of my stuff (i give away what i can)
02:37 Ariadne; ulf: *shrug* alpine maintains its own gcc branches
02:37 TR News; Part 2: How to automate graphics production with Inkscape - Mirn Duffy https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2022/08/02/part-2-how-to-automate-graphics-production-with-inkscape/ Source: linuxgrrl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.linuxgrrl.com/2022/08/02/part-2-how-to-automate-graphics-production-with-inkscape/
02:37 TR Bot; Part 2: How to automate graphics production with Inkscape Mirn Duffy
02:37 matey; i dont own much that i ever spent much money on, roy and i have similar spending habits when it comes to equipment
02:37 matey; only he gets into details. but its similar
02:37 ulf; Ariadne: simple question. Is there any alternative to llvm or gcc which could compile alpine linux?
02:37 matey; i actually have a real server. but i didnt spent much on it
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02:38 matey; i used to have an old compaq server with hw raid, one of the famous but ancient ones
02:38 matey; i ran debian on it
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02:38 TR News; Reading typewriter key presses with an Arduino | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/03/reading-typewriter-key-presses-with-an-arduino/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/03/reading-typewriter-key-presses-with-an-arduino/
02:38 TR Bot; Reading typewriter key presses with an Arduino | Arduino Blog
02:38 matey; and used it as a table for a coffee machine
02:38 Ariadne; ulf: probably not, but we dont source gcc from FSF
02:38 matey; but it weight half what i do, and i didnt keep it forever
02:38 TR News; Steam :: Steam Deck :: Steam Deck Client Update and SteamOS 3.3 https://steamcommunity.com/games/1675200/announcements/detail/3401924854795478415 Source: steamcommunity | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//steamcommunity.com/games/1675200/announcements/detail/3401924854795478415
02:38 TR Bot; Steam :: Steam Deck :: Steam Deck Client Update and SteamOS 3.3
02:39 matey; i actually have a real server <- i was only looking for a desktop. but it was cheap and didnt weigh as much as the old one
02:39 matey; i used it as a search engine for trisquel source code (github related)
02:40 matey; i could have used a laptop but it would have cost more
02:45 schestowitz[TR2]; I might make a 3-drive array on the pi
02:45 matey; :)
02:45 schestowitz[TR2]; from a security POV, risky
02:45 matey; why is that bad security
02:45 schestowitz[TR2]; open ssh port, access to my backups via USB
02:45 schestowitz[TR2]; usually I disconnect my drives when not used
02:46 schestowitz[TR2]; but I'm tired of rebuilding the pi
02:46 schestowitz[TR2]; 3rd time in 20 months
02:46 Ariadne; have you considered not using SD cards
02:46 schestowitz[TR2]; take s a long time with about 150k files and dirs on it
02:46 Ariadne; they arent very reliable
02:46 schestowitz[TR2]; Ariadne: yes
02:46 schestowitz[TR2]; this was the last straw
02:47 schestowitz[TR2]; not even sure if the outsage caused it
02:47 Ariadne; that was literally an FAQ entry for pleroma
02:47 matey; there must be a solution to this that doesnt
02:47 schestowitz[TR2]; I also took it off wifi, it uses ethernet now
02:47 matey; /me thinks of it, but roy wouldnt do it anyway
02:47 schestowitz[TR2]; but for other reasons
02:48 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: I'm already doing it
02:48 schestowitz[TR2]; it runs on USB now
02:48 schestowitz[TR2]; and is connected to an external USB drive
02:48 matey; yeah but the one with your backups
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02:48 schestowitz[TR2]; it's 3 am here and I cleanedmy rss feeds, so I have time to play wittth it
02:48 matey; and youre using synerrrrrgy again
02:48 schestowitz[TR2]; yeah
02:49 schestowitz[TR2]; always
02:49 schestowitz[TR2]; actually, on this machine it is barrier
02:49 matey; /me thinks it should be called synerrrrrrgy
02:49 schestowitz[TR2]; synergy is for older machines I connect ti
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02:49 matey; to err is human. to errrrrrrrrr synergy
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02:51 matey; but no one hates synergy more than herr doctor
02:51 matey; because it requires c++++++++++++++++++
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02:51 matey; which funnily enough was the working title before they named it java
02:52 matey; it went like this: "d++?" "no, that sounds like a bad grade"
02:53 matey; "e++? f++? ... r++? s++? T++?" "wait"
02:53 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-08-02.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-08-02.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:53 matey; "tea plus plus?"
02:53 matey; "when tea isnt enough, i drink coffee..."
02:53 matey; everyone: "JAVA!"
02:53 matey; and thats how they completely made up the story about how java got its name
02:53 matey; and by they, i mean me
02:54 matey; but also it was aliens
02:55 MinceR; 03 035153 < matey> which funnily enough was the working title before they named it java
02:55 MinceR; that was Oak
02:55 matey; oakay
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02:56 matey; but also it was alien <- aliens are the new explanation for everything, because "it was god" sounds so old fashioned
02:56 matey; aliens sound more technically plausible
02:56 matey; omnipotent being that created everything? stupid
02:56 matey; very powerful beings who are far away but share few of our values? that sounds like it could be a thing
02:57 matey; so it might not explain the universe itself, but everything else can be explained by aliens
02:57 matey; its pretty damned convenient
02:57 matey; where are my socks?
02:57 matey; aliens.
02:57 matey; "what if it was god?"
02:57 matey; "pfft! thats completely unscientific"
02:57 matey; but aliens are not just possible, theyre LIKELY
02:57 matey; STEPHEN HAWKING SAID SO
02:58 MinceR; https://sd.keepcalms.com/i-w600/i-m-not-saying-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpg
02:58 matey; so "aliens" is like "god" but you sound like less of an idiot
02:58 matey; only now you sound crazy...
02:58 MinceR; alien gods
02:58 matey; https://sd.keepcalms.com/i-w600/i-m-not-saying-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpg <- it was totally aliens
02:59 matey; <MinceR> alien gods
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02:59 matey; <- or maybe just aliens with a religious bent
02:59 MinceR; https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/bf/93/dcbf935d28b946302dc84897d8f8cb09.gif
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
02:59 MinceR; or aliens that like to subjugate other people by making them believe they're gods
02:59 matey; i knew someone who dated this guy that got REALLY high on SOMETHING and burst into a nearby tent and said
02:59 matey; "FUCK ME, IM GOD!"
02:59 MinceR; lol
03:00 matey; his transgressions did not go further than that. but thats definitely the sort of thing he would have been cancelled for if he was in the foss community
03:00 matey; but i think the whole "alien gods" thing is either a misunderstanding-- or the aliens having a good time, as it were
03:00 matey; "hehe, tell them we are their gods"
03:00 matey; OHHO HO, GOOD ONE!"
03:01 matey; "we demand a sacrifice!"
03:01 MinceR; https://i.imgur.com/HjAKZ.jpg
03:01 matey; aww, kitty knows the truth
03:02 matey; im not saying it was aliens, but it was OOH, LASER BEAM!
03:02 matey; this is why cats make terrible conspiracy theorists
03:02 matey; you can silence them with nothing but a laser keychain
03:03 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ehL5DF6BqU
03:03 TR Bot; https://y.com.sb/watch?v=6ehL5DF6BqU
03:03 TR Bot; y.com.sb | Ancient Egyptian Laser Beams - Invidious
03:03 matey; well, silent except for the sound of paws flying at a wall at mach 2
03:04 matey; IT REALLY HAPPENS
03:05 matey; im not saying it was egyptians, but it was egyptians
03:06 matey; and this is how cats learned of the secret, because not only were they venerated, they were also privy to an endless number of ancient egyptian secrets-- including how to get whites brighter while colours stay fast (which they later taught to the ancient chinese)
03:07 matey; calgon is based on thousands of years of study of egyptian alchemy
03:07 matey; its original formula turned all cloth tyrian purple, but obviously it was altered to create the product people know today
03:08 matey; but the secret to calgon is that its basically the philosophers stone in powdered form
03:09 matey; its not just cleaning your clothes-- its making them immortal (for a while at least)
03:11 matey; many people who find this out wonder if they can just use calgon to become immortal
03:11 matey; and the answer is of course not, because look at all the shit they add to it
03:12 matey; tide pods on the other hand, will make you immortal if they dont kill you
03:12 matey; and they look delicious!
03:13 matey; but the therapeutic dose is pretty high, and it will probably kill you before it works
03:14 matey; some people think tide pods are a scam, because they only "work" on someone who could survive extensive tide pod poisoning in the first place
03:14 matey; ie someone who was already immortal
03:14 matey; but thats the kind of crude humour you should expect from alien gods
03:14 matey; seriously, theyre dicks
03:16 *MinceR uses Calgon to turn Earth into Tyrian
03:16 *MinceR uses Gravitium to leave the planet
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03:22 matey; /me always knew mincer was an alien god
03:22 matey; he has that disposition
03:23 matey; also he has a spaceship that looks like a colon and greater than sign
03:23 matey; but thanks to elon musk and jeff bezos you can order shit like that online and have it delivered now
03:23 MinceR; lol
03:24 matey; =================== :>
03:24 matey; is that a black triangle? no, its just mincer
03:24 matey; trying to get to away from this stupid planet
03:26 matey; wait till i tell britney theres a third race of superbeings icke didnt tell her about
03:26 matey; "theres the hive mind and the reptilians"
03:26 matey; yes, but what about the cynical bastard aliens from planet x?
03:26 matey; "ive never heard of them"
03:26 TR News; Penn Engineers Create Chip That Can Process and Classify Nearly Two Billion Images per Second - Penn Engineering Blog https://blog.seas.upenn.edu/penn-engineers-create-chip-that-can-process-and-classify-nearly-two-billion-images-per-second/ Source: seas
03:26 matey; "they literally control the irc channel!"
03:26 TR Bot; Penn Engineers Create Chip That Can Process and Classify Nearly Two Billion Images per Second - Penn Engineering Blog
03:28 TR News; Sweet research: UC chemist unlocks secrets of molten salts | University Of Cincinnati https://www.uc.edu/news/articles/2022/07/sweet-research--uc-chemist-unlocks-secrets-of-molten-salts.html Source: uc | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.uc.edu/news/articles/2022/07/sweet-research--uc-chemist-unlocks-secrets-of-molten-salts.html
03:28 TR Bot; Sweet research: UC chemist unlocks secrets of molten salts | University Of Cincinnati
03:28 matey; /ne isnt saying ariadne is one of them
03:28 matey; but shes probably one of them
03:29 Ariadne; what?
03:30 schestowitz[TR2]; exactly
03:30 matey; mincer is actually a member of a superintelligent race from planet x
03:30 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: don't entertain this nonsense
03:30 matey; they literally control the irc channel
03:30 matey; i figure if mincer is, youre probably in on it
03:30 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> matey: don't entertain this nonsense <- hey, its still less silly than open source
03:31 schestowitz[TR2]; btw we're working on a mega-series on epo corruption
03:31 schestowitz[TR2]; connected to macedonia
03:31 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> connected to macedonia <- the country or the alternate dimension?
03:31 schestowitz[TR2]; when I'm done rsynching the whole gemini capsule we'll need to figure out how to put all the data on multiple disks
03:33 schestowitz[TR2]; the country
03:33 matey; oh, good
03:33 schestowitz[TR2]; all this david icke stuff can only ube used to discredit "techrights"
03:33 matey; i really dont think anyone cares* unless you start writing articles about it
03:34 matey; * except possibly mjg, and probably not even him
03:34 schestowitz[TR2]; he digs shit in irc
03:34 matey; and no one cares that he cares
03:34 matey; yeah i dont think julia reda is going to start a campaign to seize your dns because someone chats about aliens here
03:34 DaemonFC; The guy who played Bob Pogo in F is for Family got a DUI last month in Ohio.
03:34 TR News; "Information camouflage is when piece of information A has a name similar to another, very different, much more popular piece B. This makes searching for A difficult because you always get results for B instead." https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/information-camouflage/
03:34 TR Bot; Information camouflage Buttondown
03:35 matey; but if she ever does, ill fight to get you back online
03:35 DaemonFC; I don't know what their state laws are on a DUI. Many states are a shit sandwich as soon as the police pull you over and ask if you've been drinking.
03:35 matey; seriously
03:35 schestowitz[TR2]; julian reda fell off the radar
03:35 matey; yeah destroying your credibility does that
03:35 matey; what a disappointment too
03:35 DaemonFC; In Georgia, you can say "No, I haven't." and blow 0.0 on the breathalyzer, and they can still charge you with DUI and arrest you right there.
03:36 schestowitz[TR2]; one thing you cannot say about TR or me is,
03:36 matey; i left the pirates and joined the ninja party
03:36 schestowitz[TR2]; we became irrelevant
03:36 schestowitz[TR2]; we've managed to stay in the 'war' for many years
03:36 DaemonFC; It's best to just drive friendly and not gain the attention of the police.
03:36 schestowitz[TR2]; and adapted when necessary
03:36 DaemonFC; If you see a checkpoint, don't turn to avoid it. Don't act suspiciously.
03:36 matey; well, if by relevant you mean no one ever shut you up
03:36 DaemonFC; Just go through and let them shine their flashlight in your car. The checkpoint is a ruse.
03:36 matey; thats absolutely indisputable
03:37 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: it's multii-faceted
03:37 schestowitz[TR2]; you look at example of activists who vanished
03:37 DaemonFC; It's to see if you'll do something "suspicious" like quickly turn down another street to avoid them.
03:37 TR News; Scientists expand entomological research using genome editing | Hiroshima University https://www.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/en/news/72144 Source: hiroshima-u | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/en/news/72144
03:37 TR Bot; Scientists expand entomological research using genome editing | Hiroshima University
03:37 schestowitz[TR2]; one of them is still in a prison in london
03:37 Ariadne; i mean lets be real, you're fucking with small fish not big fish
03:37 DaemonFC; Then they have hidden cop cars that pull you over and they ask "Why did you turn to avoid that checkpoint? Hmmm?".
03:37 Ariadne; if you were fucking with big fish you'd be gone by now
03:37 matey; fish on the way out, like gravely
03:37 schestowitz[TR2]; Ariadne: true
03:37 schestowitz[TR2]; I try not to mess with UK gov.
03:37 schestowitz[TR2]; or with anything military
03:38 DaemonFC; It's horrible being charged with a crime, even if they have absolutely no evidence to take to court.
03:38 Ariadne; ok
03:38 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: see montenegro
03:38 schestowitz[TR2]; they make up charges
03:38 DaemonFC; The mere accusation can get people fired or make them homeless long before a court ever sorts out what the police bring to them.
03:38 schestowitz[TR2]; and convict you anyway
03:38 schestowitz[TR2]; like in moscow
03:39 AdmFubar; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/movie-torrents-hijacked-to-send-tips-on-bypassing-russian-censorship/
03:39 TR Bot; Movie torrents hijacked to send tips on bypassing Russian censorship
03:39 matey; /me hopes that dude gets his ring back from putin
03:39 matey; this guy who won the superbowl met putin, and just to be a dick, putin took his ring
03:39 matey; and his bodyguards said it was a "gift"
03:39 matey; ie he wasnt getting it back
03:39 MinceR; small fish, big fish, red fish, blue fish
03:40 matey; reptilian fish
03:40 MinceR; lol
03:40 schestowitz[TR2]; https://rsf.org/en/montenegro-convicts-jovo-martinovi-again-jeopardizing-eu-accession
03:40 TR Bot; Montenegro convicts Jovo Martinovi again, jeopardizing EU accession | RSF
03:40 matey; i doubt the guy ever gets his ring back
03:40 schestowitz[TR2]; "Reporters Without Borders (RSF) is appalled by the one-year prison sentence that investigative reporter Jovo Martinovi received on a drug trafficking charge at the end of his retrial in Montenegro today. The countrys judicial system must stop persecuting this journalist and finally take account of all the evidence of his innocence, RSF said.
03:40 schestowitz[TR2]; In the latest stage in his Kafkaesque ordeal, Jovo Martinovi was convicted of serving as an intermediary between drug traffickers. He has always maintained that his contacts with drug traffickers were purely journalistic in nature and were conducted solely for the purposes of his reporting."
03:40 matey; but when they finally take care of putin, i hope he gets his ring
03:40 schestowitz[TR2]; he "insulted" his leader
03:40 schestowitz[TR2]; afai, fwiw, assange never went to the us
03:40 matey; its just ridiculous
03:40 MinceR; they could make a ring out of putler's remains
03:41 matey; they could, thats a thing
03:41 DaemonFC; Insulting the president is not illegal.
03:41 DaemonFC; Which is good.
03:41 matey; but i doubt the guy wants to wear putin on his... ew...
03:41 schestowitz[TR2]; so he is dealing with a country foreign to him, gets in trouble. but when doing this to country he visits, then don't charge him.
03:41 DaemonFC; 78% of Americans would be in deep shit with this guy in office.
03:41 schestowitz[TR2]; apropos, KSA
03:42 DaemonFC; Nobody things Biden is doing a good job unless they're sitting in San Francisco in a bathrobe huffing their own farts.
03:42 DaemonFC; *thinks
03:42 schestowitz[TR2]; <techrights-news> "The video received backlash on social media and a hashtag denigrating her that translates into "Tala offends society" circulated on Twitter" https://news.yahoo.com/saudi-police-arrest-egyptian-tiktoker-211506955.html | Source: Yahoo News
03:42 schestowitz[TR2]; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- news.yahoo.com | Saudi police arrest Egyptian TikToker with millions of followers for video they claim had 'sexual content'
03:42 schestowitz[TR2]; <techrights-news> "The Saudi Public Security authority's official Twitter posted a statement Monday" https://www.insider.com/tala-safwan-tiktoker-youtuber-arrested-livestream-riyadh-police-2022-7 | Source: Business Insider
03:42 TR Bot; Saudi police arrest Egyptian TikToker with millions of followers for video they claim had 'sexual content'
03:42 TR Bot; Egyptian Influencer Tala Safwan Arrested for 'Sexual' TikTok Stream
03:42 matey; i think its more to do with the fact that the usa mistakes itself for god in this context
03:42 schestowitz[TR2]; posted in -social yesterday
03:42 matey; a lot of places wouldnt go to this much trouble over a journalist
03:42 matey; i mean the saudis do...
03:42 matey; but for example, if you did this to north korea youd probably be fine
03:42 matey; as long as you never went too close to north korea, obviously
03:43 DaemonFC; GULAG's cadre is probably the last group in America throwing their own money away on candidates that are about to lose.
03:43 MinceR; 03 044117 < matey> but i doubt the guy wants to wear putin on his... ew...
03:43 DaemonFC; I can't bring myself to vote for either candidate for Illinois governor. I don't want to support that either way it goes.
03:43 MinceR; well, ideally they can get the ring back
03:43 matey; Saudi police arrest Egyptian TikToker with millions of followers for video they claim had 'sexual content <- thank god they never saw stallman smelling flowers
03:43 MinceR; but i don't trust that it's still intact and vladolf still knows where it is
03:44 matey; why wouldnt it be? you think the ring said something bad about him in the press?
03:44 MinceR; 03 044202 < DaemonFC> Nobody things Biden is doing a good job unless they're sitting in San Francisco in a bathrobe huffing their own farts.
03:44 TR News; What a ripoff https://www.talospace.com/2022/07/arctic-tern-available-for-purchase.html
03:44 TR Bot; Arctic Tern available for purchase
03:44 MinceR; unfortunately, biden doesn't need to do a good job
03:44 DaemonFC; Only one candidate I supported on the Republican Party ballot won, and so I may just vote for the Supreme Court seat and turn in an otherwise empty ballot, except to vote NO on Amendment 1, which would give public unions bargaining power that contradicts state laws.
03:44 MinceR; he just needs to do a job that's less bad than what former president Lex Loser did
03:44 matey; yeah the bar had to be set low enough for biden to be an actual hero (almost)
03:45 MinceR; 03 044332 < DaemonFC> I can't bring myself to vote for either candidate for Illinois governor. I don't want to support that either way it goes.
03:45 matey; and to do that they had to drill thousands of miles past the crust of the earth
03:45 MinceR; yeah, i don't know if there's a point to voting again here in orbanistan
03:45 matey; for auld lang syne?
03:45 DaemonFC; Amendment 1 claims to be an "anti-Right to Work" Amendment, which basically means it would ban local laws that force you to join a labor union, however there already is a statute that prevents local bans on forced union membership. It's terrible. People shouldn't have to be in a labor union they don't support.
03:46 MinceR; even if the alleged democrats had win, Lobbik Oroszorszgrt and LMP would have gained a big enough fraction of seats that they could have just made a coalition with fideath and MiHasznk
03:46 DaemonFC; But Amendment 1 goes much farther and makes it legal for state workers to demand labor contracts that go against any other state law.
03:46 MinceR; it didn't take long for Lobbik and LMP to start backing fidSS after the lost election
03:46 matey; Lobbik Oroszorszgrt <- this is a noise my stomach makes when i havent eaten
03:46 DaemonFC; Theoretically, they could demand a contract that lets them murder people, and it would be legal for AFSCME members to commit murder.
03:46 MinceR; they're lying pieces of shit and hungarians support them, believing them to be part of the opposition
03:46 MinceR; because most hungarians are stupider than rocks
03:46 DaemonFC; But realistically, what it would mean is they'll demand higher taxes as part of their union contracts.
03:47 DaemonFC; Right now they demand all kinds of things, but there's no guaranteed funding source.
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: paper beats rocks
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; *mincer
03:47 DaemonFC; When the pensions blow up, that's it. No more money.
03:47 matey; hehehehehe
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; that's a scary thought
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; see, I can access the pension at 55
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; with massive tax
03:47 DaemonFC; The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
03:47 schestowitz[TR2]; so in theory I need to have enough saved for about 15 years
03:47 MinceR; also, much of the alleged "opposition" happily takes part in corruption on the local government level, in cahoots with fideath
03:48 schestowitz[TR2]; but Tories wreck the NHS and stuff..
03:48 DaemonFC; The union members working for the state spent years bankrupting their own pensions.
03:48 DaemonFC; Now they want millions of people like me to pay even higher taxes.
03:48 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/06/23/while-ceos-make-millions-and-workers-struggle-union-surge-unsurprising"
03:48 TR Bot; Opinion | While CEOs Make Millions and Workers Struggle, Union Surge Is Unsurprising | Brian Wakamo
03:48 schestowitz[TR2]; the ruling class does not want people to be free
03:48 schestowitz[TR2]; or not work for them
03:48 schestowitz[TR2]; for minimal salary
03:48 DaemonFC; Public employees don't work for CEOs with billion dollar salaries.
03:48 schestowitz[TR2]; and they control banking policies
03:48 DaemonFC; They work for me!
03:48 matey; Oroszorszgrt <- being hungarian CANT actually make this easy to spell
03:48 DaemonFC; I'm tapped out.
03:49 DaemonFC; I'm voting no on Amendment 1.
03:49 matey; <MinceR> also, much of the alleged "opposition" happily takes part in corruption on the local government level <- like democrats vs republicans
03:49 DaemonFC; They can figure out their own fucking mess. They're the ones that installed politicians that kept having "pension holidays".
03:49 matey; "oh, yeah they overturned roe v wade-- but you can help by voting for us even harder!"
03:50 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], If you put nothing in it and still want money out of the pot that's not there, is that fair to me? No, it's not fair.
03:50 matey; "how hard do people have to vote for you to stop supporting the patriot act and illegal wars?"
03:50 matey; "i dunno. how much money you got?"
03:50 DaemonFC; They had 25 years where they should have been contributing, and now they want the damned pension too.
03:51 matey; "so its about money, not votes"
03:51 matey; "well yeah, welcome to the 21st century"
03:51 MinceR; 03 044851 < matey> Oroszorszgrt <- being hungarian CANT actually make this easy to spell
03:51 DaemonFC; That's not how this works! That's not how any of this works! *votes no*
03:51 matey; "no i know, just making sure"
03:51 MinceR; it's easy
03:51 MinceR; even if i have to hold altgr to put the accents on
03:51 matey; definitely from planet x
03:51 MinceR; 03 044939 < matey> <MinceR> also, much of the alleged "opposition" happily takes part in corruption on the local government level <- like democrats vs republicans
03:51 MinceR; usian "democrats" actually stand a chance in elections
03:51 MinceR; the hungarians don't
03:51 matey; fair point
03:52 MinceR; especially not when they keep the likes of Lobbik and LMP in their ranks
03:52 DaemonFC; I'm sorry.....I'm sorry that they don't get their entire pension. I'm sorry that they were so stupid they voted for a string of politicians that let them stop contributing and promised money would come out of nowhere to pay for all of this. I'm sorry they were fools and that's why the pensions are 27% funded.
03:52 DaemonFC; And I'm sorry about what I have to do to them now.
03:52 DaemonFC; But they made their bed.
03:53 DaemonFC; Enough carrot. Time for the stick.
03:53 MinceR; no
03:53 MinceR; time for the asteroid
03:53 TR News; Robots Learn Household Tasks by Watching Humans https://www.scs.cmu.edu/news/2022/whirl-robots
03:53 TR Bot; Robots Learn Household Tasks by Watching Humans
03:53 MinceR; or the gamma ray burst
03:53 MinceR; or the relativistic impactor
03:53 matey; why not all of those wrapped into one
03:54 MinceR; maybe if humans kick the bucket right now, intelligent life can still evolve in time
03:54 matey; the relativistic asteroid... would probably make its own gamma rays
03:54 matey; and save on gamma bills
03:54 MinceR; it could be an asteroid, it doesn't matter
03:54 MinceR; but the gamma rays wouldn't be far ahead of it if it's relativistic
03:54 matey; yeah but you cant be too careful
03:55 matey; also they look really-- i mean they WOULD look really cool, if they were in the visible spectrum
03:56 MinceR; doesn't matter
03:56 MinceR; the observers are supposed to die quickly
03:56 matey; knowing your luck they probably wont
03:56 MinceR; yeah
03:56 matey; the stupid thing will probably miss and hit the moon
03:56 MinceR; but we're already on the "slow death" track
03:56 MinceR; so, no news there
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03:58 DaemonFC; "and ever sense"
03:58 DaemonFC; Damn autocorrect.
03:58 DaemonFC; I fixed it on my blog...
03:59 DaemonFC; Still, one typo in a post that big isn't the worst I've done.
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.66 average k/sec., average swarm size 185.61
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04:01 matey; you know what would be funnier, is if we evolved into higher beings
04:02 matey; and they did rituals where they explored their "inner savage" by dressing up in a suit and tie
04:02 matey; and imitating the mannerisms of cunts on wall street
04:03 matey; "i know this is beneath us in a way, but history is important and being in touch with our inner savages teaches us about human nature"
04:03 matey; im not going to hinge any plans on it
04:03 matey; but it would be hilarious
04:04 matey; "BUY! BUY! BUY! SELL! SELL!"
04:04 matey; then they dance around a room and foreclose on everyones mortgages
04:05 matey; then they drink ceremonial wine and go home
04:05 matey; "our ancestors were fucking nuts"
04:05 matey; "you can say that again"
04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; <matey> "BUY! BUY! BUY! SELL! SELL!"
04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; and if you get it wrong, bribe officials for a bailout/graft
04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; so when you win, you win
04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; when you lose, it's someone else's problem
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; ok, i/o on the usb is far too slow for ipfs
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; but I still hope that some ipfs accelerators will emerge one day
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; this shit does not scale
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; like the bitcoin experiment
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; works small in a lab
04:07 schestowitz[TR2]; then, when adopted widely, it's not sustinable
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; you run hundres of power station just to keep this shit running
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; *stations
04:08 MinceR; 03 050154 < matey> you know what would be funnier, is if we evolved into higher beings
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; and sell too many drives, gpus etc.
04:08 MinceR; unfortunately, it is also impossible
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; driving up their cost
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; we're getting closer to doom
04:08 MinceR; 03 050419 < matey> "BUY! BUY! BUY! SELL! SELL!"
04:08 schestowitz[TR2]; not being a doomer, but
04:08 matey; <MinceR> unfortunately, it is also impossible <- weve done it before
04:09 schestowitz[TR2]; it's already living hell for many people. even basics like price of food.
04:09 MinceR; "you worship the same god as i do, but some of your beliefs are a little different, so NOW I'M GOING TO TORTURE YOU TO DEATH IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST"
04:09 MinceR; if you're looking for the inner savage, look thereabouts
04:09 matey; i wouldnt
04:09 MinceR; 03 050845 < matey> <MinceR> unfortunately, it is also impossible <- weve done it before
04:09 MinceR; [citation needed]
04:09 matey; christians are at their most savage when greed is a factor
04:10 schestowitz[TR2]; "war in our lifetime" is BS... as there are wars all the time... but now we have two nuclear nations confronting
04:10 MinceR; greed is always a factor with humans
04:10 schestowitz[TR2]; Ukraine (US proxy and EU proxy) and Russia
04:10 MinceR; resources are never enough, underlings are never enough
04:10 matey; im not saying there arent other, more pointless crusades. there totally are
04:10 MinceR; it doesn't matter if it kills us, we've got to outbreed the other cult and we've got to cover the entire planet in human bodies
04:10 matey; <MinceR> resources are never enough <- i agree, but the conclusion is different
04:10 MinceR; we're the paperclip optimizer, except we build human bodies
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; "consultants" to 20 year old: put money in a pension so you can pick it up 50 years from now
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; (if humans still have a civilised system)
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; reality:
04:11 MinceR; humans never had a civilized system
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; consultant told the 20 year old to push money into the collapsing pyramid scheme
04:11 matey; any plan that depends on the economy is already shit
04:11 matey; an economy, maybe
04:11 matey; this economy? please
04:11 MinceR; humans sugarcoated pure evil and oppression and called it "civilization"
04:11 schestowitz[TR2]; to cushion the pension of people now in their 60s
04:11 MinceR; it makes me sick
04:12 schestowitz[TR2]; btw, not sure if you noticed it, a few weeks ago I started including "economic" news here in this channel,. along witj union stuff
04:12 schestowitz[TR2]; it's related to rights, too
04:12 schestowitz[TR2]; I have friends who are made to work like 70- hours a week
04:12 schestowitz[TR2]; for a company
04:13 matey; yeah economic news is relevant to all this
04:13 matey; but it also gives you more things to be wrong about
04:13 schestowitz[TR2]; the companies have many ways to exploit the crisis too
04:13 matey; to get economy right you need a big picture
04:13 schestowitz[TR2]; "you can work from home a few times a week, BUT..."|
04:13 matey; you dont have one
04:13 schestowitz[TR2]; so they steal away your personal time, too
04:13 matey; (m not saying thats enough, im saying its required)
04:13 schestowitz[TR2]; IBM, 2021: you are IBM employe 100% of the time
04:13 matey; youll probably glean a few fun facts out of it
04:14 matey; and some extra articles
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; depends on the source
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; dean baker can be ok
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; alternative news sites iwith good writers
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; like chris hedges
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; eeeeeither way,
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; oops
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; barrier
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; on a personal note, I try to leave my job, but people throw barriers at me
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; with nasty HR people
04:15 schestowitz[TR2]; and greedy jealous people
04:15 schestowitz[TR2]; they have kids
04:15 schestowitz[TR2]; they envy the idea of someone removing some shackles
04:15 matey; youre arent removing shackles. youre incredibly lucky.
04:15 schestowitz[TR2]; so I'll take myself off the radar for a bit, not talking to them at all
04:15 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: not just lucky
04:15 schestowitz[TR2]; it's based on decisions
04:16 schestowitz[TR2]; not luck
04:16 schestowitz[TR2]; we live on meager budget
04:16 matey; every person who is that lucky believes its because they made the right decisions
04:16 matey; thats why kanye thinks slavery is a "choice"
04:16 schestowitz[TR2]; I could go work for 6-figure salaries after university
04:16 matey; fwiw i think people SHOULD do what youre doing if they can
04:16 schestowitz[TR2]; but didn't want to, boycottnovelll was already a thingh
04:16 matey; but to attribute it to your own personal decisions is a joke
04:16 schestowitz[TR2]; I was about 24
04:16 matey; youre lucky. you THINK its something you did.
04:17 MinceR; 03 051319 < matey> to get economy right you need a big picture
04:17 schestowitz[TR2]; no, it's turning things down
04:17 MinceR; does anyone get the economy right?
04:17 schestowitz[TR2]; economcis is not a sciene
04:17 schestowitz[TR2]; it is a fraud
04:17 matey; <MinceR> does anyone get the economy right <- hard to say
04:17 schestowitz[TR2]; you don't get it right
04:17 schestowitz[TR2]; you rig it
04:17 MinceR; it's a "science" of wild guessing and unverifiable predictions
04:17 MinceR; one that got started with the LTV and for most people, never really recovered
04:17 schestowitz[TR2]; what about bailouts
04:17 schestowitz[TR2]; where in the science do they fit in?
04:18 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/.3now CHIPS Act
04:18 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/.3now )
04:18 schestowitz[TR2]; subsidies and graft
04:18 matey; <MinceR> it's a "science" of wild guessing and unverifiable predictions <- debunking it then, would be the first step towards getting it right
04:18 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
04:18 schestowitz[TR2]; now CHIPS Act
04:18 matey; if its bullshit, you call bullshit. thats simple enough
04:18 MinceR; where they make a wild guess that a particular bailout will have desirable results, or merely claim so while they just hand the people's money over to their cronies
04:18 MinceR; matey: their predictions are unfalsifiable
04:18 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: they buy the politicians
04:19 schestowitz[TR2]; that's not science either
04:19 MinceR; there's no appropriate experiment environment for economics
04:19 schestowitz[TR2]; it's hand in the cookie jar
04:19 MinceR; there's no possibility of a control group
04:19 schestowitz[TR2]; best outcome ime, work outside the system
04:19 schestowitz[TR2]; (to the extent feasible)
04:19 MinceR; best outcome: become extinct
04:19 schestowitz[TR2]; walk, buy discounts, repair, stop flying etc.
04:19 matey; anyway, thers a name for the bias people who are able to retire at 45 because (or so they think) of "decisions" they made
04:20 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: that's not the best outcome
04:20 matey; i mean you win the lottery because of a "decision" you made. its still luck
04:20 matey; its called survivorship bias
04:20 matey; its what you have
04:20 schestowitz[TR2]; do yuo know the cost of a child today?
04:20 matey; but im not against what youre doing. im only making fun of what you attribute it to.
04:20 schestowitz[TR2]; it got a lot higher lately
04:20 schestowitz[TR2]; with inflation
04:20 *schestowitz[TR2] looks up ref
04:20 matey; lots more people should quit their job and turn to activism
04:20 matey; but those who manage it are indeed lucky
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04:20 schestowitz[TR2]; they think the system will take care of them
04:21 matey; also, activism is needed at work, not just outside it
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04:21 matey; that what unions are for
04:21 matey; and its risky, yes
04:21 schestowitz[TR2]; https://spendmenot.com/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-raise-a-child/
04:21 TR Bot; Much Does It Cost to Raise a Child in America? - SpendMeNot
04:21 schestowitz[TR2]; "The cost of raising a child until age 17 is $233,610 on average. Low-income married couples spend $174,690 on average to raise a child. Low-income single parents spend $172,200 to raise a child from birth until age 17."
04:21 matey; yes you saved money due to not having children
04:22 matey; that was smart
04:22 matey; some decisions helped
04:22 schestowitz[TR2]; multiple by [number of offsping], add COLLEGE costs
04:22 schestowitz[TR2]; *multiply
04:22 matey; dont let that make you think-- im joking, theres no way you could possibly come to another conclusion
04:22 schestowitz[TR2]; it's higher in some EU countries
04:22 matey; but if you could, then you could be right about this.
04:23 schestowitz[TR2]; 2021: https://www.thelocal.de/20211029/how-much-does-it-cost-to-bring-up-a-child-in-germany/
04:23 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.thelocal.de/20211029/how-much-does-it-cost-to-bring-up-a-child-in-germany/ )
04:23 schestowitz[TR2]; it's a lot higher now
04:23 schestowitz[TR2]; add 10+ percent inflation
04:24 schestowitz[TR2]; some people work high-paying jobs not out if choice but out of necessity
04:24 schestowitz[TR2]; and cannot quit or limit hours to 40 a week, 20 a week, 10 a week
04:24 matey; now factor in the things you dont control and youll understand
04:25 matey; or dont, its not like i expect you to ever figure this out
04:25 matey; the thing is, you should quit-- and its a good idea
04:25 matey; but youll crow about it for years and years
04:25 matey; and people who hate you for it will hate the crowing
04:25 matey; so youll try to make it sound modest and helpful
04:25 matey; but its neither
04:25 matey; and its fine, im not unhappy with my own situation about this
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04:26 matey; modest about it, but not unhappy
04:26 matey; and i dont live as nicely as you do, but im happy with my lifestyle
04:26 matey; hi britney
04:26 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: here is the thing
04:26 britney; hi matey
04:27 schestowitz[TR2]; couples with kids like to hang out woth other couples with kids
04:27 schestowitz[TR2]; helps them feel adequate
04:27 schestowitz[TR2]; but contrariwise, they can be toxic to people who don't make that choice
04:27 schestowitz[TR2]; I've literally blacklisted two people for the whole month of August
04:27 matey; of course
04:27 britney; gemini://cerberusinvestigations.darkcloud.ca - i have a gemini capsule :D
04:27 schestowitz[TR2]; didn't even tell them the deadline
04:27 matey; <britney> gemini://cerberusinvestigations.darkcloud.ca - i have a gemini capsule <- thats fucking awesome
04:27 schestowitz[TR2]; I will say in September
04:28 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> I've literally blacklisted two people for the whole month of August <- i bet theyre relatives
04:28 britney; :)
04:29 matey; /me has the tech to do gemini (at least clientwise) but doesnt use it regularly yet
04:29 matey; for serving ive worked on it but i dont have that yet either
04:29 matey; when i was on debian i ran a gopher server, and one of the servers hooked right into the native network bs blah blah blah
04:29 matey; inetd or some shit
04:30 matey; it was tedious-- but it worked the first time i set it up
04:30 matey; for gemini its like that all over again-- on openbsd i mean
04:30 MinceR; they call it "socket activation" nowadays
04:30 matey; not for httpd
04:30 MinceR; and pretend poettering invented it
04:30 matey; but for gemini
04:30 MinceR; just like the cupertino mafia
04:30 matey; what this means is that you dont have to maintain an entire stack outside of the core
04:30 MinceR; reimplement something poorly, and then claim credit for inventing it
04:30 matey; and a server can be written which is VERY minimal and works well
04:31 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: I wrote a bit about this in my blog
04:31 matey; and just happens to be a fucking pain to setup (unless its http)
04:31 schestowitz[TR2]; then buried it with chaff
04:31 schestowitz[TR2]; to avoid more people seeing it
04:31 matey; for http, the native server is easy
04:31 schestowitz[TR2]; but I have a plan for activism
04:31 matey; theres also apache httpd if you prefer it
04:31 matey; theres nginx too
04:31 schestowitz[TR2]; does not involve selling out to anybody
04:31 schestowitz[TR2]; hmmm.. apache in techrights need a kick, brb
04:32 britney; matey, im using shavit as a gemini server
04:32 matey; cool
04:32 britney; its written in go
04:32 matey; /me nods
04:32 matey; but its cool you have a gemini server
04:32 matey; gemini is the future
04:32 schestowitz[TR2]; I'd rather play myself to death than work myself to death
04:32 matey; for now, im migrating all my web stuff gradually
04:32 schestowitz[TR2]; we all die eventually
04:32 schestowitz[TR2]; some of us play, some of us work for it
04:33 schestowitz[TR2]; ok, techrights back
04:33 schestowitz[TR2]; good thing I'm awake, this kind of issue never solves itself
04:33 matey; /me writes websites in gemini text, hosts them in gemtext, presents/renders them as html on the fly
04:33 matey; for those who dont like js, "view source" works
04:33 matey; no js needed then
04:33 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: if you need a help, tell me
04:33 matey; lol
04:33 schestowitz[TR2]; I have now got experience with several gemini server software
04:34 matey; i dont think you understand the situation for me personally
04:34 schestowitz[TR2]; itr' easier to configure than apache and nginx
04:34 matey; its outside your experience, and mine
04:34 matey; we can both do http-- and i could also do gemini if i was doing it your way
04:34 matey; its easy
04:34 matey; but i dont want to do it that way
04:35 matey; i dont want a server from github for example
04:35 matey; one thats native to openbsd is fine
04:35 schestowitz[TR2]; right, don't use one
04:35 matey; but so far, its a bitch to setup
04:35 matey; and i save my patience for other projects
04:35 schestowitz[TR2]; alpine has one that's not just in sourcehut
04:35 matey; ill try it again and get it working
04:35 schestowitz[TR2]; but was made by a counfounder of sourcehut
04:35 matey; but not yet
04:35 matey; gemini is the future
04:35 schestowitz[TR2]; https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/x86/gmnisrv
04:35 TR Bot; Alpine Linux packages
04:36 matey; but at the present im busy
04:36 matey; one of the things im busy with is transforming things to be gemini friendly
04:36 schestowitz[TR2]; planet gemini is brokenj
04:36 matey; so thats progress
04:36 schestowitz[TR2]; I need to copy across the july 29th backup
04:36 schestowitz[TR2]; it's very slow on usb
04:36 matey; ive been weaning myself more and more off html, im no fan of html
04:36 matey; but its been useful in the past
04:37 matey; too expensive (time and ram) for my taste-- but useful
04:37 matey; serving gemini protocol is great for anyone who gets that running
04:37 matey; but its only one of many goals im working on
04:37 matey; theres a thing i use html for thats VERY useful and ive been exploring other means
04:37 matey; using a text editor
04:38 matey; but the html version is in colour and fits on one page
04:38 matey; i got it to fit on one page in a text editor, but-- thats not the best method
04:38 matey; i do experiments with this stuff all the time
04:38 matey; all my coolest projects started as a simple experiment
04:39 matey; usually to answer some philosophical question (about computing) with code
04:39 matey; migrating to gemini is important to me, its just not my highest priority
04:39 matey; so im taking my time with it
04:40 matey; anything i used to do with html in mind
04:40 matey; i now do with gemtext or something close to it
04:40 matey; but theres lots of old stuff
04:40 matey; and at the same time, im getting away from opendocument and pdf too
04:41 matey; in the past month ive reduced my file collection over the past 12 years to 25% of its size
04:41 matey; the stuff i can do to my entire filesystem-- in a short amount of time-- is awesome
04:42 matey; i maintain everything with my own tools
04:42 matey; not including the languages theyre written in of course
04:42 matey; not including xterm
04:42 matey; and certainly not incluing the os
04:42 matey; but its all work, and its prioritised based on my needs and goals
04:43 matey; the only thing that pisses me off about the software ecosystem is how much theyve sabotaged
04:43 schestowitz[TR2]; that's related
04:43 matey; and how much harder theyve made everything
04:43 matey; yeah
04:43 schestowitz[TR2]; one issue and the other
04:43 schestowitz[TR2]; bloat in sofwtaare and web
04:43 matey; oh i know
04:43 matey; i know
04:43 schestowitz[TR2]; web browser <-> the web
04:43 matey; we agree that getting away from html is good
04:43 schestowitz[TR2]; client, protocol, server
04:44 matey; thats why ive moved shittonnes of workflow around
04:44 schestowitz[TR2]; techrights started talking about this years ago
04:44 matey; but serving gemini protocol is a very low priority there
04:44 schestowitz[TR2]; it got so much worse with the web
04:44 matey; the real bloat comes from the client
04:44 schestowitz[TR2]; see Linux Today
04:44 schestowitz[TR2]; it's dying so badly that it now runs SPAM
04:44 schestowitz[TR2]; as "news"
04:44 matey; what i really love about gemtext is
04:44 schestowitz[TR2]; so one thing we'll try to do is raise awareness of the issue
04:44 matey; its fucking easy to parse-- by a program OR even manually
04:44 schestowitz[TR2]; yeah
04:45 matey; gemtext is human readable as fuck!
04:45 schestowitz[TR2]; you need to read only first 3 chars of each line
04:45 schestowitz[TR2]; and you know what the line is
04:45 matey; so when i do html, its brower readable buts its a mess
04:45 schestowitz[TR2]; so it's efficient to process in paralell
04:45 schestowitz[TR2]; *llel
04:45 matey; so while serving gemini isnt a priority
04:45 matey; when i design anything web related i use gemini as the model
04:45 matey; and this DOES have a goal of moving to real gemini protocol
04:46 matey; when you consider i spent the past few weeks cutting all my files down to 1/4 the size
04:46 matey; thats not unrelated
04:46 matey; its a lot easier to manage 1/4 as much html, other stuff, etc
04:47 matey; 75% of cruft: gone
04:47 matey; but thats not all ive worked on
04:47 schestowitz[TR2]; in new tuxmachines, the cms, we use sqlite
04:47 schestowitz[TR2]; to generate the pages
04:47 schestowitz[TR2]; not to serve them
04:47 matey; i dont like databases
04:47 schestowitz[TR2]; new:
04:47 schestowitz[TR2]; <techrights-news> Never Too Rich Or Thin: Compress Sqlite 80% https://hackaday.com/2022/08/01/never-too-rich-or-thin-compress-sqlite-80/ | Source: Hackaday
04:47 TR Bot; Too Rich Or Thin: Compress Sqlite 80% | Hackaday
04:47 matey; they serve a purpose
04:48 matey; the only time i ever needed one was when i downloaded wikipedia :)
04:48 schestowitz[TR2]; you culd also convert them to boring plain text files
04:48 matey; that is just too much trouble to work with using discrete files :)
04:48 schestowitz[TR2]; and work off that
04:48 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> you culd also convert them to boring plain text files <- i did, on ext3
04:48 matey; with standard hdperm settings
04:48 schestowitz[TR2]; ok
04:48 matey; nightmare
04:48 schestowitz[TR2]; so the file system became the ''''db'
04:48 matey; conclusion: this is why dbs exist
04:49 matey; im sure there are other uses, but this is the only one i found for me personally
04:49 schestowitz[TR2]; find and grep -R are a lot slower than SELEECT where *...
04:49 matey; yeah but when i wanted to delete half the articles
04:49 matey; we are talking 20 minutes to write
04:49 matey; but HOURS to delete
04:50 matey; ext3 wasnt up to it
04:50 matey; i dont know if ext4 is or whatever
04:50 matey; im not a filesystems expert
04:50 matey; moot now, since i dont use gnu/linux
04:50 schestowitz[TR2]; the filesystems expert is "rape apologist"
04:50 matey; and i dont have a copy of wikipedia these days
04:50 schestowitz[TR2]; ext4 (tso)
04:50 schestowitz[TR2]; one is in prison
04:50 matey; but i did learn something that db does better than fs
04:50 schestowitz[TR2]; for cutting his wife to pieces
04:50 matey; well you know
04:50 matey; if someone is cancelled for murdering his wife
04:50 matey; and we know he did it
04:51 matey; thats hard to paint as injustice
04:51 britney; ReiserFS
04:51 matey; stallman was cancelled over pure bullshit
04:51 schestowitz[TR2]; reiser, FFS!!
04:51 matey; and other examples may vary
04:51 matey; tso imo, i was also cancelled over pure bullshit
04:51 matey; too bad, that helped kill linux
04:52 schestowitz[TR2]; linux is not dead btw
04:52 schestowitz[TR2]; not literally, as a project
04:52 matey; so now gkh has the reins instead
04:52 matey; tragedy
04:52 britney; gkh is cool tho
04:52 MinceR; not yet
04:52 schestowitz[TR2]; it's just drifting in a direction that's similar to what we wanted to replace
04:52 matey; linux will be better when its dead
04:52 MinceR; no, gkh is very far from cool
04:52 MinceR; gkh wanted kdbus
04:52 MinceR; we were lucky to have Torvalds at the wheel back then
04:52 matey; i like britney but her taste in floss "visionaries" is appalling
04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; gkh is not the worst
04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; we all agree on this
04:53 matey; hes bad enough
04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; except maybe MinceR
04:53 matey; /me raises hand
04:53 matey; who is worse than gkh
04:53 matey; among developers...
04:53 MinceR; yeah, i suppose they could put poettering in charge instead
04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; wait till Zemlin and Sheela Microsoft replace him with Microsoft's Levin
04:53 MinceR; or sievers
04:53 matey; because youll say zmeling
04:53 britney; i've seen a video of gkh and he seemed like a cool guy
04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; he's already there as second in line
04:53 MinceR; but "not the worst" is just not good enough, sorry
04:54 schestowitz[TR2]; in long term (LTS) releases
04:54 matey; hypothetically there are worse
04:54 schestowitz[TR2]; Sasha Levin
04:54 schestowitz[TR2]; he's also in the technical board
04:54 matey; but the difference is sievers isnt slated for that sort of position, right?
04:54 MinceR; \_()_/
04:54 MinceR; such things are probably decided in the platinum members' offices
04:54 matey; i mean we are talking about leader tier
04:54 MinceR; not in public
04:54 matey; not contributor
04:54 MinceR; also, for now our corporate overlords pretend Torvalds is in charge
04:54 matey; so we are talking tso, gkh, torvalds (emeritus)
04:54 MinceR; even though he clearly isn't
04:55 matey; hence emeritus
04:55 schestowitz[TR2]; emeritus lol
04:55 schestowitz[TR2]; he's 52 iirc
04:55 matey; a word i learned recently
04:55 MinceR; didn't they get rid of Ts'o already?
04:55 matey; or knew, but didnt know
04:55 matey; yeah mjg killed him
04:55 MinceR; maybe they'll make mjg the figurehead
04:55 matey; not literally of course
04:55 schestowitz[TR2]; in academia many profs stay in their 70s too
04:56 schestowitz[TR2]; emeritus typically would be like 80s
04:56 matey; and he didnt act alone
04:56 schestowitz[TR2]; aka "geezer"
04:56 schestowitz[TR2]; but torvalds might look like one in a decade
04:56 schestowitz[TR2]; no zombie walks on his treadmills and cheetos for dinner
04:56 matey; well im borrowing the use of emeritus from debian, who since july decribes shuttleworth this way.
04:56 MinceR; or maybe his bosses will get tired of the puppet show and make him disappear
04:56 schestowitz[TR2]; James and Sheela Microsoft are the ones donning suits and having caviar
04:56 matey; and it is intended to be mildly funny
04:57 matey; or sad
04:57 MinceR; the fate of deadian is sad indeed
04:57 matey; i dont miss torvalds, fuck him, but gkh is still worse
04:57 matey; and tso would be better (perhaps better than either)
04:58 TR News; Raise the bar with an SBAR :: Major Hayden https://major.io/2022/08/02/raise-the-bar-with-an-sbar/ Source: major | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//major.io/2022/08/02/raise-the-bar-with-an-sbar/
04:58 TR Bot; Raise the bar with an SBAR :: Major Hayden
04:58 matey; but its moot now, except as a post-mortem
04:58 matey; it wont put tso at the helm
04:58 matey; it wont save linux either
04:58 matey; ie microsoft linux
04:59 MinceR; kroah-hartmanux
04:59 schestowitz[TR2]; morton will probably retire soonb
04:59 schestowitz[TR2]; iirc, he has like 6 kids or something
04:59 schestowitz[TR2]; and lives near gulag
04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 95.61
04:59 schestowitz[TR2]; so has to keep a 6-figure salary
04:59 matey; if tso hadnt been cancelled, perhaps he would have stood up to the lf in a way mr novell never would
04:59 matey; we dont know, because its more important that tso never bring up rape statistics in a discussion about rape.
04:59 britney; matey, attack surface
05:00 matey; actually, tsos real crime was bringing up rape statistics in response to someone talking about rape statistics-- the bastard!
05:00 matey; <britney> matey, attack surface
05:00 matey; :)
05:00 britney; Tso has a bigger attack surface
05:00 matey; can you do a believable alberta accent?
05:00 matey; <britney> Tso has a bigger attack surface <- sadly true
05:01 britney; im not sure
05:01 matey; also hes not a skinny guy, but for an asian thats kind of a feat
05:03 matey; <britney> matey, attack surface <- btw theres a third alien superrace
05:03 matey; theyre the cynical bastard aliens from planet x, and they control this irc channel
05:03 britney; which superrace
05:03 matey; (mincer is one of them)
05:03 matey; he has a black triangle ship
05:03 matey; <britney> which superrace <- just told you, the cynical bastards from planet x
05:04 TR News; Wow, fifth time in just over a day. Webspam from ZDNet's sister site. What on Earth is going on here? Sunset for the site? Has 'Linux Today' sold its soul to diploma mills? http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/linux-today-zdnet/
05:04 TR Bot; Weird Editorial Choices in Linux Today These Past Few Hours (Updatedx3) | Techrights
05:04 matey; hes been telling us all this time using coded language disguised as emojis
05:05 matey; but the coolest part is he can create an energy weapon that runs on calgon
05:05 matey; or power his ship with it
05:06 matey; we had fun figuring all this out
05:06 matey; it started with lasers, cats, alchemy and tyrian purple
05:07 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], I was reading some of my old blog.
05:07 matey; finally mincer started doing things that should break most known laws of physics but of course, only apply them in ways only an alien superrace could and
05:07 matey; the rest as they say, is history
05:08 DaemonFC; It's amazing how much Microsoft then is just like Microsoft now. Like, their amazing business plan is always to spring some horrible stripped down version of Windows that doesn't do much on you and then demand another $100 when you get the computer in the house.
05:08 DaemonFC; They tried it again with Windows 10 and then turned it into a Mode, and then that Mode sort of went away in Windows 11 again.
05:08 DaemonFC; "Starter Mode" doesn't work as a business plan. It has never worked in a first world country, and even in developing countries they've gotten wise to it and don't want it.
05:08 britney; matey, can he shapeshift?
05:09 matey; i didnt ask, i thought it was too forward
05:09 matey; "can you shapeshift" is more of a third date question imo
05:09 DaemonFC; There's really no reason why it would work in any country. In rich countries, people go "Eww! Hand me an OS that does something!" and in poor countries they go "I'm poor! But I'm not retarded! I want to use Linux!".
05:10 DaemonFC; And then they have Matthew GULAG's "Secure Boot" to stop them from doing that.
05:11 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167947 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/03/today%27s_howtos.shtml
05:11 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
05:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
05:12 MinceR; 03 060343 < matey> he has a black triangle ship
05:12 MinceR; if i had one, do you really think i'd hang around in this dump?
05:12 matey; i dunno, maybe the charging stations are as far apart as they are for teslas
05:13 TR News; GNU/Linux market share in India estimated at 7% https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india/#monthly-200901-202208
05:13 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share India | Statcounter Global Stats
05:13 DaemonFC; LOL
05:13 TR News; Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
05:13 TR Bot; Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett | Techrights
05:14 DaemonFC; I said if Chris Pirillo's career blowing Microsoft fell through he'd make a passable stand-in for Harold on the New Red Green Show.
05:14 schestowitz[TR2]; is he still around?
05:14 matey; maybe it needs parts
05:14 schestowitz[TR2]; I've not heard his name for a decade or more
05:14 schestowitz[TR2]; I exchanged a few emails with him
05:14 DaemonFC; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=k1Pv5hEJepk
05:14 TR Bot; The Red Green Show - Harold Gets Married - Invidious
05:14 matey; i got stranded in the middle of nowhere once because a vital part on a small plane needed replacement
05:14 schestowitz[TR2]; iirc, he was a star on tv 'tech' shows in his younger days
05:14 matey; it had two, thats why it was still running when it landed
05:14 schestowitz[TR2]; and then become a microsoft shill
05:15 schestowitz[TR2]; then gone
05:15 DaemonFC; Yelling at his wife like she was some sort of dog.
05:15 schestowitz[TR2]; like david berlind
05:15 DaemonFC; That really pissed me off.
05:15 matey; but its treated, understandably, as a flight emergency
05:15 schestowitz[TR2]; who started ProgrammableWeb
05:15 matey; it took more than a day to get it replaced
05:15 matey; for a spaceship you know it could take much longer
05:15 schestowitz[TR2]; and it didn't get anywhere, was good at crashing my browser
05:15 schestowitz[TR2]; iirc, he was editor of zdnet when the site still did actual news
05:15 DaemonFC; I hadn't really even given any thought to the Philippines at that point in my life other than someone I went to grade school with at Catholic school was from there, but he was a doctor's son.
05:15 DaemonFC; Nobody there was poor.
05:16 matey; in freefall, the alien sqid (not squid, those are earthling) has a spaceship but its not flight-ready
05:16 DaemonFC; Mom was a hospital nurse, so we knew the doctor and his wife and went and did things together.
05:16 matey; so he "hires" a bowmans wolf as an engineer to fix it up
05:16 DaemonFC; They had a house out near where my grandmother lived with a nice big private lake and everything.
05:17 DaemonFC; So, like, uhhhh, not Tondo.
05:17 matey; i cant tell if its intended as sci fi or a furry fantasy but it seems to be mostly the former
05:17 schestowitz[TR2]; Berlind left zdnet 14 years ago https://www.zdnet.com/blog/berlind/
05:17 TR Bot; Testbed | ZDNet
05:17 DaemonFC; Anyway, those were the only people I had ever met from the Philippines until 2019.
05:17 matey; and the writing is great
05:17 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.zdnet.com/article/farewell-to-zdnet-and-cnet/
05:17 TR Bot; to ZDNet (and CNET) | ZDNet
05:17 matey; at least as good as red warf (but not as hilarious)
05:17 DaemonFC; But I knew that Pirillo's wife was from there.
05:17 DaemonFC; And that's an obvious Green Card marriage.
05:17 schestowitz[TR2]; ""
05:17 matey; red dwarf. though communist klingons would be amusing
05:17 schestowitz[TR2]; If you were an auditor asked to examine the human resources records of CNET (parent company to ZDNet), you'd discover that even though the company was officially founded in 1992, that there's a handful of employees whose hire dates actually precede that year. My colleague Dan Farber is one of them.
05:17 DaemonFC; I don't mean to insult her, but rather him.
05:18 matey; im sure thats what they were based on anyway
05:18 DaemonFC; Like, such an asshole that nobody would tolerate him if they didn't have to go to Immigration every couple of years.
05:18 matey; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Depicting_Klingons
05:18 matey; The depiction of the Klingon species, the iconic aggressive warrior race from the planet Qo'noS, has evolved throughout the years from a simple analogy of the American fear of Cold War -era Russians to a depiction of a complex and proud tradition-bound people who value honor as well as combat prestige.
05:18 DaemonFC; He was mistreating her right on his livestream.
05:18 DaemonFC; I mean, almost like he wanted to make a spectacle out of it.
05:19 schestowitz-TR; 05:06] <schestowitz-TR> LT (noty Torvalds, Linux Today) is "Done For"... I know what happens after these choices are made, like
05:19 schestowitz-TR; [05:06] <schestowitz-TR> FOSSForce... after its marketing spam as posts
05:19 schestowitz-TR; [05:06] <schestowitz-TR> eeking out a few $s on the way out
05:19 DaemonFC; I remember listening to that and going "Not cool. You do not address your spouse that way! And you especially don't do it in public.".
05:20 matey; PERHAPS TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO OVERTHROW THE BOURGEOISIE!
05:20 britney; matey, gkhnux
05:20 matey; hehehe
05:20 DaemonFC; He was not being "mean" so much as being really needy, like making her wait on him hand and foot.
05:20 britney; <matey> PERHAPS TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO OVERTHROW THE BOURGEOISIE! <--- yaaas!
05:20 matey; no matter how much i make fun of icke, youre okay
05:20 DaemonFC; Which is mean, in a sense, I guess.
05:20 MinceR; systemd-kerneld
05:21 matey; <MinceR> systemd-kerneld <- would not surprise many of us
05:21 schestowitz[TR2]; aka linux-azure
05:21 DaemonFC; Neediness is not a turn on for most people.
05:21 britney; matey, icke talks about reptilians too
05:21 matey; i know
05:21 matey; but if i do its mostly for fun
05:21 MinceR; maybe they'll rebrand systemd to azured
05:21 MinceR; and then it could be azured-kerneld
05:21 britney; for the lulz is always good
05:21 DaemonFC; I'm considering installing Rocky Linux on one of my older systems and using it to host a Gemini pod.
05:21 MinceR; "finally many people use something that has azure in the name! we've won!"
05:21 matey; <MinceR> maybe they'll rebrand systemd to azure <- par for the course
05:21 DaemonFC; It's a real computer that I control that's sitting in my house.
05:22 matey; <britney> matey, icke talks about reptilians too <- once everything is a metaphor, even most of the wildest claims are true
05:22 matey; but as long as we take things literally... i doubt the moon is actually hollow
05:22 MinceR; MICROS~1 management should get their heads checked, because their attempts to get users^W hostages are pathetic.
05:22 MinceR; not that it would help
05:22 DaemonFC; If people would stop using Bloated Shit from the W3C and GULAG then they could definitely host their own Web site, even on their home PC and home Internet connection.
05:22 britney; matey, reptilians drink human blood to maintain the shapeshifting ability
05:23 MinceR; afaik mental institutions always had trouble keeping ASPD people inside
05:23 matey; the earth is a spaceship, but shes got no thrusters (and her shields arent the best)
05:23 MinceR; what sort of spaceship is that?
05:23 britney; matey, the hollow moon is a space ship
05:23 MinceR; you believe in the moon?
05:23 DaemonFC; It's not that the Web necessarily has to be bloated. You can fall back to older standards and it won't be a big hassle to set up a server.
05:23 britney; the moon matrix
05:23 MinceR; the moon hologram
05:23 MinceR; and the earth hologram
05:23 TR News; "The rapid closure of businesses needs to be seen in tandem with the high job losses witnessed in recent months. The aggregate unemployment rate has jumped into the double-digit category in May 2021 with the average for May being nearly 12%." https://www.newsclick.in/five-lakh-companies-shut-shop-2016-saw-triple-whammy-DeMo-GST-COVID-19
05:23 TR Bot; Five Lakh Companies Shut Shop Since 2016 That Saw Triple Whammy of DeMo, GST, COVID-19 | NewsClick
05:24 britney; the moon matrix mind controls the human race
05:24 matey; <MinceR> you believe in the moon? <- its ok to shoot the moon https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pAur4CWJIPw (especially in self defence)
05:24 TR Bot; The Lovin' Spoonful - Darling Be Home Soon (Audio) - Invidious
05:24 TR News; We need to get rid of Facebook https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/26/23278718/leap-second-computer-chaos-meta-backs-campaign-to-end-it
05:24 TR Bot; Leap seconds cause chaos for computers so Meta wants to get rid of them - The Verge
05:25 britney; matey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJ3LIA5LmA
05:25 TR Bot; https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=GTJ3LIA5LmA
05:25 TR Bot; invidio.xamh.de | Mr. Show - Blow Up the Moon - Invidious
05:25 matey; also the moon is vulnerable to lassos https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uAERYfeiYBc
05:25 TR Bot; It's a Wonderful Life (2/9) Movie CLIP - Lasso the Moon (1946) HD - Invidious
05:25 TR News; Two Weeks In, the Webb Space Telescope Is Reshaping Astronomy https://www.quantamagazine.org/two-weeks-in-the-webb-space-telescope-is-reshaping-astronomy-20220725/
05:25 TR Bot; Quanta Magazine
05:25 matey; but you can eat it
05:27 TR News; "Forking out billions in subsidies and grants to support gas, and the money is used to sue farmers and muzzle journalists." https://michaelwest.com.au/fracking-hell-gas-grants-to-fight-farmers-muzzle-critics/
05:27 TR Bot; Fracking hell: gas grants to fight farmers, muzzle critics - Michael West
05:27 matey; she throws better than she sings
05:28 matey; <britney> matey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJ3LIA5LmA <- i would be worried about the tides
05:29 matey; i suppose we could switch to tide pods
05:29 britney; im all in favour of blowing up the moon
05:29 britney; just to see if you can
05:29 matey; can we at least get silicon valley to move there first
05:30 matey; <britney> just to see if you can <- to be fair thats a terrible reason
05:30 britney; in dragon ball Z, picolo blows up the moon and its glorious
05:30 matey; ok thats a fair point
05:30 matey; picolo is kind of a dick though
05:30 britney; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfSVLxXpfTI
05:30 TR Bot; https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=sfSVLxXpfTI
05:30 TR Bot; invidio.xamh.de | Dragon Ball Z Piccolo destroys Earth's Moon - Invidious
05:33 matey; well i can honestly say i didnt expect to see gokus dick today
05:33 matey; was that goku?
05:35 matey; i only know dbz from the abridged version and that was 10 years ago
05:35 matey; of course i should know which one is goku. but there it is.
05:36 matey; /me doesnt even know the name of the guy who gets the nosebleeds over bulma
05:36 britney; lol
05:36 britney; that wasnt goku, its goku's son
05:36 matey; ah, ok
05:36 britney; gohan
05:37 matey; yeah i didnt know goku turned into a gorilla with red eyes, but that wasnt him so
05:37 matey; and i didnt know why he was younger, but "thats his son" explains it
05:38 matey; even the abridged version was mostly a mystery to me
05:38 matey; it was funny at least
05:44 MinceR; https://i.redd.it/434wuyk8ojxz.jpg
05:47 MinceR; https://social.tulsa.ok.us/@Elizafox/108728562843826961
05:47 TR Bot; Elizafox, unbound dremora: "Weather radio told me "avoid windows" and I'm all" - Tulsa Social
05:49 matey; theres a problem with that approach mincer
05:50 MinceR; i know
05:50 matey; you cant trump them with "you believe in the moon" because someone already thinks space is fake
05:50 MinceR; how can space be real if our eyes aren't real?
05:50 MinceR; also, https://i.imgflip.com/29g26g.jpg
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05:51 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ghw0I4ZSlfI
05:51 TR Bot; Vaquero - "Space is fake" - Invidious
05:52 MinceR; fake is fake
05:53 matey; not the song i was looking for
05:53 matey; this was a country song called "space is fake"
05:54 MinceR; these aren't the songs you're looking for
05:54 matey; maybe this one https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WcqKUhU0WDc
05:54 TR Bot; Space is Fake! - Conspiracy Music Guru - Invidious
05:54 MinceR; he can go about his business.
05:54 MinceR; move along.
05:54 matey; yep
05:54 matey; thats the one
05:54 matey; my god...
05:55 matey; i used to live around these people
05:55 matey; /me points to the mason dixon line
05:55 matey; theyre not all like that :/
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05:59 matey; /me doesnt think the moon is fake, just gross https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3wGMsOhaPJs
05:59 TR Bot; That 1 Guy - The Moon is Disgusting (live) - Invidious
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05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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06:04 MinceR; http://cdn.funnyisms.com/57c595c8-a0aa-487b-bc3d-0873c1576150.jpg
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06:05 DaemonFC; I hope the liver and onions I make tomorrow is good.
06:05 DaemonFC; Never ran into another one I really liked more than MCL Cafeteria's.
06:05 DaemonFC; They had it every Thursday.
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06:09 matey; it didnt start with space though, the great satanic ritualists are faking gravity, magnetism and electricity too
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06:10 matey; this computer is actually just a piece of cardboard
06:10 matey; thats how powerful the human imagination is, people
06:11 matey; you can use it for good or for evil
06:11 matey; granted i only bought this "computer" for surfing articles
06:12 matey; i used to read the articles until i found out they were fake
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06:12 MinceR; i told you they're faking the earth
06:12 matey; kindle is worse, you pay for every "book" you read on it but of course those dont exist
06:13 matey; <MinceR> i told you they're faking the earth <- its (literally) turtles all the way down
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06:13 matey; they just painted one blue and splashed a bunch of water on it
06:13 matey; what a scam
06:13 DaemonFC; https://www.chicagotribune.com/dining/recipes/ct-kfc-recipe-test-20160818-story.html
06:14 TR Bot; KFC recipe challenge: Tribune kitchen puts the 11 herbs and spices to the test Chicago Tribune
06:14 matey; like we are supposed to believe its all turtles EXCEPT one is a planet on top?
06:14 matey; makes no sense
06:14 DaemonFC; I might make chicken gizzards with KFC's original recipe seasoning on them.
06:14 DaemonFC; Walmart still sells gizzards really cheap.
06:14 matey; planet turtle, yeah okay buddy
06:19 matey; "the sun is a continuous thermonuclear explosion"-- this is chris hadfield, who to be fair is an astronaut and not (afaik) a physicist
06:20 matey; but i was saying the other day, you could easily argue the sun is already exploding
06:22 MinceR; matey: psh, you believe in turtles?
06:22 MinceR; gizzard wizard
06:26 matey; <MinceR> matey: psh, you believe in turtles <- i thought i had one as a pet once, but it was just my imaginary friend
06:26 matey; everyone else went along with it
06:27 matey; "oh yes, thats a very nice turtle, whats his name"
06:27 MinceR; you were programmed to believe in turtles
06:27 matey; yeah by those damned cartoon ninjas
06:27 matey; "turtles are real!"
06:27 matey; "of course they are, sweetie"
06:28 MinceR; those cartoon ninjas aren't real either
06:28 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y
06:28 TR Bot; Zombie Kid Likes Turtles - Invidious
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08:02 TR News; GNOME 43 Plans to Introduce Redesigned Quick Settings Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167948
08:02 TR Bot; GNOME 43 Plans to Introduce Redesigned Quick Settings | Tux Machines
08:03 TR News; GNU/Linux user share on Steam continues rising highest for years again https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/linux-user-share-on-steam-continues-rising-m-highest-for-years-again/
08:03 TR Bot; user share on Steam continues rising highest for years again | GamingOnLinux
08:04 TR News; Two companies that ought not exist at all https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/2/23288589/microsoft-outlook-app-crash-uber-email-receipts Outlook = malware platform
08:04 TR Bot; Microsoft Outlook crashing when viewing Uber receipt emails - The Verge
08:05 TR News; A sysadmins guide to network interface configuration files | https://opensource.com/article/22/8/network-configuration-files Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//opensource.com/article/22/8/network-configuration-files
08:05 TR Bot; sysadmin's guide to network interface configuration files | Opensource.com
08:07 TR News; Telangana's Agriculture data management policy: The good, bad, and ugly. https://internetfreedom.in/telanganas-agriculture-data-management-policy-the-good-bad-and-ugly/ Source: internetfreedom | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//internetfreedom.in/telanganas-agriculture-data-management-policy-the-good-bad-and-ugly/
08:07 TR Bot; Telangana's Agriculture data management policy: The good, bad, and ugly.
08:08 TR News; What does ICBM know about culture? It ruined so much in the Red Hat culture, causing workers, clients, and communities to flee... https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/it-leadership-improve-team-culture-now
08:08 TR Bot; 5 powerful ways to improve your IT team's culture right now | The Enterprisers Project
08:10 TR News; "enterprises have maintained or even increased productivity, the transition to remote work has proven challenging for relationship-building" = Bullshit! You just don't control the slaves and 'suits' became redundant https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/connections-disconnected-workplace
08:10 TR Bot; 4 tips for building connections in a disconnected workplace | The Enterprisers Project
08:12 TR News; Linux Kernel 6.0 is Likely the Next Version Upgrade With Initial Rust Code http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167861#comment-34497
08:12 TR Bot; Linux Kernel 5.19 Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
08:14 TR News; IBM-sponsored (disclose missing) marketing fluff https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/03/jd-edwards-customers-face-support-decisions/
08:14 TR Bot; JD Edwards Customers Face Support Decisions - IT Jungle
08:15 TR News; marketing spam... look at the wording. Puh-lease! https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/03/security-automation-and-cloud-top-midrange-it-priorities-study-says/
08:15 TR Bot; Security, Automation, and Cloud Top Midrange IT Priorities, Study Says - IT Jungle
08:16 TR News; "Modernization" creeping into IBM-sponsored narratives (PR). It means vendor lock-in. https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/03/cleo-and-srinsoft-in-integration-modernization-link-up/
08:16 TR Bot; Cleo and SrinSoft in Integration-Modernization Link Up - IT Jungle
08:17 TR News; Some more IBM-sponsored fluff, storytelling instead of journalism https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/03/four-hundred-monitor-august-3/
08:17 TR Bot; Four Hundred Monitor, August 3 - IT Jungle
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08:17 TR News; And IBM holes https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/03/ibm-i-ptf-guide-volume-24-number-31/
08:17 TR Bot; IBM i PTF Guide, Volume 24, Number 31 - IT Jungle
08:19 TR News; ICBM has always been good at buying and manipulating the media. Microsoft learned this from IBM. Lately Intel too was bribing the media a lot. And look what's happening. QUARTERLY LOSSES. They cannot even hide this with "creative" accounting...
08:22 TR News; For over a decade ICBM was sending people to talk to me, trying to manipulate how Techrights was covering ICBM. Each time they did this I 'ousted' the attempts. Now, imagine how much they do this WITHOUT PEOPLE WHO DO NOT OUST SUCH ATTEMPTS!
08:23 TR News; Play Crossword Puzzle Games on Linux Desktop With this Brand New GNOME App - Its FOSS https://itsfoss.com/crosswords/ Source: ItsFOSS | GNU | Linux | Freesw | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itsfoss.com/crosswords/
08:23 TR Bot; Play Crossword Puzzle Games on Linux Desktop With this Brand New GNOME App - It's FOSS
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08:45 TR News; OBS Studio 28.0 beta released, set to be an enormous release - Neowin https://www.neowin.net/news/obs-studio-280-beta-released-set-to-be-an-enormous-release/ Source: neowin | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.neowin.net/news/obs-studio-280-beta-released-set-to-be-an-enormous-release/
08:45 TR Bot; OBS Studio 28.0 beta released, set to be an enormous release - Neowin
08:46 TR News; guru3d.com is a dead site, defunct. Gulag Noise should delist it. This is like the TENTH time I see such spam in 2 weeks. https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ad-linux-will-be-fasterpay-just-13-for-lifetime-license-microsoft-windows-10-to-play-everything%EF%BC%81.html
08:46 TR Bot; Ad: Linux will be faster, pay just $13 for lifetime license Microsoft Windows 10 to play everything
08:53 TR News; The high cost of "self-funded" Democrats https://pluralistic.net/2022/08/02/oligarchs-r-us/
08:53 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 02 Aug 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
08:56 matey; so 1. heads, which is coreboot based, is still around
08:56 matey; 2. they added leahs nvmutil to it
08:57 matey; https://notabug.org/osboot/nvmutil/
08:57 TR Bot; Newer fork of nvmutils, rewritten as a single C file. This program can modify Intel PHY NVM images for gigabit NICs, e.g. change MAC address, set checksums, etc. - NotABug.org: Free code hosting
08:58 matey; "This program lets you modify the MAC address, correct/verify/invalidate checksums, swap/copy and dump regions on Intel PHY NVM images, which are small binary configuration files that go in flash, for Gigabit (ethernet) Intel NICs."
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09:02 matey; "My stress test is always: stress util, run xsensors and: high-pace video downscaled real-time and/or glmark2... If <90c for 1+ hour and video doesn't lag, it's good to go.
09:18 matey; article rendered fucking useless by relevant image examples that will never. fucking. load.
09:18 matey; https://medium.com/codex/stop-using-malloc-what-every-good-developer-needs-to-know-about-memory-allocation-cae2aa39b6d9
09:18 TR Bot; Using malloc! What Every Good Developer Needs to Know About Memory Allocation | by Marius Debussche | CodeX | Medium
09:19 matey; medium has been a festering welt on the anus of the web for years
09:19 matey; it barely renders text and it fucks up everything else
09:20 matey; i wonder what kind of especially low-grade crack you have to smoke to think "hey, you know what would be a great thing to blog with? medium!"
09:20 matey; even wordpress is a saner choice-- what else do you need to know about it
09:20 matey; and i dont mean the shitty bloated hosted yourself version
09:20 matey; i mean the shittier, bloatier destroy-the-internet "free" version
09:21 matey; if only medium was hosted in ukraine, at least putin could have done ONE good thing while there
09:31 matey; "The precise spelling of all of these new keywords is as Predefined Macros, defined by the compiler. This may feel like a distinction without a difference, but the distinction is what allows us to do this without breaking existing user code." https://thephd.dev/ever-closer-c23-improvements
09:31 TR Bot; Ever Closer - C23 Draws Nearer | The Pasture
09:31 matey; i like when people truly give a shit about backwards compatibility
09:32 matey; "Most compilers emit a warning since its likely unintended for you to stomp all over existing macro space, but what this means is that its entirely backwards compatible for your code to continue to #define bool int or whatever horrific crimes you were committing in days gone by."
09:32 schestowitz[TR2]; backwards compatibility = bad for "buisness"
09:33 schestowitz[TR2]; "DO YOU WANT TO STARVE !!!'
09:33 matey; Folks who were using a typedef instead, such as
09:33 matey; typedef int bool;
09:33 matey; May need to use #undef bool to get around the issue, or scope their typedef inside of an #if statement:<schestowitz[TR2]> "DO YOU WANT TO STARVE !!!' <- lol is that why rust is perpetually incompatible with itself?
09:34 TR News; Red Hat / IBM Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167949
09:34 TR Bot; Red Hat / IBM Fluff | Tux Machines
09:34 TR News; OBS Studio 28.0 Promises 10-Bit Color Support and HDR Video Encoding, Qt 6 Port, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167950
09:34 TR Bot; OBS Studio 28.0 Promises 10-Bit Color Support and HDR Video Encoding, Qt 6 Port, and More | Tux Machines
09:35 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, August 02, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/03/irc-log-020822/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/03/irc-log-020822/
09:35 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, August 02, 2022 | Techrights
09:36 matey; And that brings us to the TenDRA compiler, which can use 0x55555555 for its null pointer representation, if you like.
09:36 matey; So heres an implementation of C compiling to x86 where the value of NULL is 0, but the underlying byte-by-byte representation is 0x55555555.
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09:38 matey; and theyre getting rid of k&r declarations
09:39 matey; which i would be pissed about, except that theres ample evidence that k&r would have supported it, and it was only there for a million years to avoid breaking shit, but they were still tempted
09:39 matey; i guess theyre error prone and worth avoiding anyway, so
09:39 matey; /me shrugs
09:40 matey; ritchie didnt love the old declarations
09:41 matey; and considered parameter prototypes the most important change in the ansi standard
09:43 matey; he points out that even if its been deprecated for a third of a century, the chances of gcc or clang removing compatibility switches for the old standards is about 0%
09:44 matey; if python was this meticulous id probably fall in love with every new version of it
09:44 matey; except the microsoft ones, obviously
09:45 matey; Variably-Modified Types are types which, like VLAs, are dependent on some runtime information. But, unlike VLAs, they do not do any of the allocation and its associated pitfalls: it just represents a type that keeps its own size around (in bytes). The way they do this is by, essentially, taking the syntax space of pointer to VLA and similar.
09:47 matey; VMTs are still useful when used locally within a function, but as a means of actual transportation of information across functions and structures they continue to leave a lot to be desired. Walter Brights criticism of C continues to be relevant to this day, and we continue to have bugs where developers misinterpret or otherwise get the size wrong.
09:47 matey; https://www.digitalmars.com/articles/C-biggest-mistake.html
09:47 TR Bot; Cs Biggest Mistake - Digital Mars
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09:49 matey; This seemingly innocuous convenience feature is the root of endless evil. It means that once arrays leave the scope in which they are defined, they become pointers, and lose the information which gives the extent of the array the array dimension. What are the consequences of losing this information?
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09:50 matey; An alternative must be used. For strings, its the whole reason for the 0 terminator. For other arrays, it is inferred programmatically from the context. Naturally, every situation is different, and so an endless array (!) of bugs ensues.
09:50 matey; The galaxy of C string functions, from the unsafe strcpy() to sprintf() onwards, is a direct result. There are various attempts at fixing this, such as the Safe C Library. Then there are all the buffer overflows, because functions handed a pointer have no idea what the limits are, and no array bounds checking is possible.
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09:57 mjg59_; matey: Yeah turns out that C's design decisions weren't great
09:58 mjg59_; pascal's string format was better in this respect but then of course you can't just treat random blocks of memory as strings
09:58 matey; im not listening to this shit from someone who thinks rust is good
09:58 matey; i agree with the example, but not where youre most likely going with this
09:59 matey; ill simply go with mincer over what you say about language design on anything i dont have a personal opinion on already
09:59 mjg59_; Hey I think people can disagree about whether Rust's design decisions are good but that doesn't mean they need to say C is good
10:00 matey; i agree that theres no logically-defensible reason why the two would be related, its clearly a fallacy
10:00 matey; of course conclusions drawn from fallacies can be still be true
10:00 mjg59_; I think C is bad and I tend towards Rust is good and you don't need to agree with both of those
10:00 matey; and my own leaps have enabled me to predict some of your worst actions, so
10:00 matey; going with experience until it lets me down
10:00 matey; its not a perfect system-- then again, nothing is
10:01 matey; short version: i trust mincers opinion more
10:02 matey; but i also agree with walter bright on this
10:02 matey; the things that make c unattractive to me are pretty bad, for me, in my opinion
10:03 matey; i have yet to see an alternative that doesnt look even worse, that is still a real alternative to c-- again in my opinion
10:03 matey; for example, im tempted to look at c++ this way. i think thats generous, but its also reasonable.
10:03 matey; it may be wildly incorrect-- but a mistake can be a reasonable one.
10:03 mjg59_; c++ definitely provides alternatives to a bunch of C's failings
10:04 mjg59_; But it doesn't mandate them, so it's still hard to review
10:04 matey; sadly it doesnt (according to someone i was reading today) fix arrays are pointers.
10:04 matey; well there you go, you think mandating good practices in a language is a good thing
10:04 mjg59_; Yeah it has objects that allow you to just never do that
10:04 matey; and i think it is a good thing in extreme instances
10:05 mjg59_; But you can still just fuck with memory directly if you want
10:05 matey; Yeah it has objects that allow you to just never do that <- thats a nasty way to get out of a simple array
10:05 mjg59_; Like C++ has std::string that has an actual ideal of length
10:05 matey; of course, when python does it i dont complain-- so this may be purely hypocritical. but then im the one who recognises the possibility
10:05 matey; C++ has std::string that has an actual ideal of length <- an "ideal"
10:05 mjg59_; Er, idea
10:05 mjg59_; Not ideal
10:05 matey; oh
10:05 matey; when you said ideal
10:06 matey; i read it like "ideally, its this length"
10:06 matey; "but really, its anyones guess!"
10:06 matey; which i admire the honesty, but as a design idea its depression
10:06 matey; depressing
10:06 matey; you meant the concept
10:06 mjg59_; Once something's in a std::string you can just work on it without worrying about running off the end
10:06 matey; that is nice
10:07 matey; i mean pascal had no problems with this
10:07 matey; basic fixed the issue in 1964 ffs, before c was even written
10:08 matey; but to be fair
10:08 matey; c does get closer to the metal, and the metal (by design) generally does not give a shit
10:08 matey; cpu: *willy wonka meme* "tell more more about these 'strings' you keep going on about..."
10:09 matey; still, as a feature it never felt like asking the world to get it right
10:32 mjg59_; We build a lot of abstractions on the metal to make it behave more reasonably
10:32 mjg59_; Also crap like Spectre has kind of taught us that the metal doesn't behave in the way that languages assume it does
10:34 matey; <mjg59_> We build a lot of abstractions on the metal to make it behave more reasonably <- im a big fan of many of those
10:35 matey; however, the fact that c is closer to the metal is a feature
10:35 matey; Also crap like Spectre has kind of taught us that the metal doesn't behave in the way <- youre really trying to blame the wrong thing here
10:35 matey; intel is a scam
10:36 matey; and x86 should be deprecated universally
10:36 psydruid; we should be grateful for the existence of intel and x86
10:36 matey; lol
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10:38 psydruid; so that certain mercenary developers spend all their time messing with that and don't have the time and motivation to infect other hardware with their malware
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10:48 mjg59_; matey: It's not just Intel - aspects of this have hit AMD, ARM, and POWER
10:49 mjg59_; Intel definitely seems to be hit worst, but it's not entirely clear how much of this is Intel being worse and how much is people focusing on Intel because they've historically been the most interesting vendor
10:49 mjg59_; Things might change as AMD get more traction in the server space
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10:54 matey; i dont care much about POWER and amd is still x86
10:54 matey; i get what youre saying about arm
10:55 matey; without free hardware, free software is going to become an increasingly inadequate solution
10:55 matey; oliva and i used to talk about this, and he completely failed to convince me that you didnt have to worry about this shit as long as you ran free software
10:57 matey; i think the fsf is oblivious to threats moving to hardware that free software and free firmware have failed to alleviate
10:57 matey; or when their approach to firmware makes it more impossible to fix (or even research, thus fix in a free way)
10:57 TR News; Space Force https://text.npr.org/1113936229 | Source: NPR
10:57 TR Bot; The Space Force is scrapping the annual fitness test in favor of wearable trackers
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11:01 TR News; Activision Blizzard https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/sony-says-xboxs-call-of-duty-acquisition-could-influence-users-console-choice-microsoft-responds | Source: Windows Central
11:01 TR Bot; Sony says Xboxs Call of Duty acquisition could influence users console choice, Microsoft responds | Windows Central
11:01 *psydruid doesn't even understand having closed source system firmware in this day and age
11:02 mjg59_; Requiring closed source firmware to boot a CPU is obscene
11:03 schestowitz[TR2]; Intel's grove: only the paranod survive
11:03 schestowitz[TR2]; Intel's otelini: let's commit crimes to surveive
11:04 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_Crimes_and_Offences
11:04 TR Bot; Intel Crimes and Offences - Techrights
11:04 schestowitz[TR2]; he even has a mafia-sounding name
11:04 schestowitz[TR2]; the last intel CEO should have been arfrested
11:04 schestowitz[TR2]; he commited crimes
11:04 schestowitz[TR2]; then "resigned"
11:04 schestowitz[TR2]; welcome to america
11:04 schestowitz[TR2]; land of white-collar crime... with get-out-of-jail card
11:06 schestowitz[TR2]; Microoft Peters's crime were not erlated to his work
11:06 schestowitz[TR2]; so he couldm not just "resign" to avoid proseuction
11:07 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/another-theranos-moment/
11:07 schestowitz[TR2]; resigned
11:07 TR Bot; Microsoft, EPO Awards, and Sexual Abuse (Theranos All Over Again) | Techrights
11:07 schestowitz[TR2]; no consequences
11:07 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/alex-kipman-vs-antonio-campinos/
11:07 TR Bot; [Meme] No Diplomatic Immunity for Alex Kipman | Techrights
11:07 schestowitz[TR2]; if you want to commit a crime, and you want to be free, go to USA
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; you can eveeeen fly pedoplanes
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; just make sure you get good lawyers
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; to stave off scrutiny
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; and buy a few news [sic] papers
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; like MbS did
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; and after murdering US journaaaalists he fist-bumped Biden
11:08 schestowitz[TR2]; high-fioved Putin months after the murder
11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; Trump told him he owed him because "I saved your *ass"
11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; criminal syndicatedn up at the top
11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; well-connected, so only swartz gets prosecuted
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11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; the people who arrange for bribes from child-sec-trafficking to MIT
11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; they "resigned"
11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; and the payer, gates, is still habitually hailed as a hero by media he bribes
11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg59_ will help
11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; he will co-found a petityion
11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; to deflect attention to the founder of gnu/linux
11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; to deflect attention
11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; away from bill gates, jeffrey epstein, and their actual enablers at mit
11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; bonus point: you hurt fsf and get JOB OFFERS.. from Microsoft
11:11 TR News; SteamOS https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/steamos-33-and-steam-deck-client-updates-released-for-all-users/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:11 TR Bot; 3.3 and Steam Deck Client updates released for all users | GamingOnLinux
11:12 TR News; "OBS Studio 28.0 Beta" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/obs-studio-280-beta-1-brings-linux-improvements-lots-of-new-features/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:12 TR Bot; Studio 28.0 Beta 1 brings Linux improvements, lots of new features | GamingOnLinux
11:13 TR News; OBS Studio 28.0 Beta 1 brings Linux improvements, lots of new features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167950#comment-34499
11:13 TR Bot; OBS Studio 28.0 Promises 10-Bit Color Support and HDR Video Encoding, Qt 6 Port, and More | Tux Machines
11:13 TR News; "It's a fresh month which means a new curated monthly bundle with the Humble Choice" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/humble-choice-has-the-ascent-hot-wheels-unleashed-a-plague-tale-innocence/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:13 TR Bot; Choice has The Ascent, Hot Wheels Unleashed, A Plague Tale: Innocence | GamingOnLinux
11:15 TR News; ScummVM 2.6.0 out now with more retro game support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167913#comment-34500
11:15 TR Bot; ScummVM 2.6.0 or: Insane Escapism | Tux Machines
11:15 matey; Requiring closed source firmware to boot a CPU is obscene <- i agree
11:15 matey; how to fix that and make it so thats not required is the issue
11:16 matey; if you want to commit a crime, and you want to be free, go to USA <- thats not exactly how it works
11:17 matey; he will co-found a petityion <- pettytion?
11:17 matey; like a petition, but petty?
11:17 matey; /me high-fives synergy for that one
11:18 schestowitz[TR2]; hehe, that's the worst typo of them alkl
11:19 schestowitz[TR2]; not dyslexic, just typing while standing or sometitmes typing too fast adn not borthering to check
11:19 matey; /me can think of a range of pettytions from 2018 to 2021
11:19 TR News; "DXVK is a Direct3D to Vulkan translation layer used in Proton, to help run Windows games on Linux and Steam Deck." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/dxvk-1103-out-with-work-for-halo-infinite-plus-better-stray-performance-for-proton/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:19 TR Bot; 1.10.3 out with work for Halo Infinite plus better Stray performance for Proton | GamingOnLinux
11:19 TR News; Scrabdackle https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/check-out-the-new-scrabdackle-demo-a-scribbly-hand-drawn-zelda-like-adventure/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:19 TR Bot; out the new Scrabdackle demo, a scribbly hand-drawn Zelda-like adventure | GamingOnLinux
11:20 schestowitz[TR2]; pettytions = pretty please, fsf, remove your own founder
11:20 schestowitz[TR2]; signed, people who work on azure and get job offers from microsoft
11:20 matey; and debian
11:20 schestowitz[TR2]; "Debian"
11:20 schestowitz[TR2]; many DDs work for companies
11:20 schestowitz[TR2]; and some are not exactly commited to Debian values
11:20 schestowitz[TR2]; and few disclosure their commercial interests as DDs
11:21 matey; to the point where debian no longer appears to have any
11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; one of my colleagues at work was a DDD
11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; Ban Bell
11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; aka bbell
11:21 matey; they remove people with values and keep people without them
11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; *Ben
11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: they surround themselves with like-minded peopl
11:21 matey; fsvov
11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; ewho cannot chastise them
11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; who are you here for, Canonical?
11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; Oh, I'm here for Gulag,, I love Ubuntu BTW
11:22 britney; i use arch btw
11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; in work, shits bring other shits
11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; until the org collapse
11:22 matey; <britney> i use arch btw XD
11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; it improve the personal survivcal chances
11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; at the expenses of the survival of the org itself
11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; so not collective survival
11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; they hoard andll the lifeboatss
11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/06/29/c-and-d-players/
11:23 TR Bot; EPO is Building a Team of C and D Players | Techrights
11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; Steve Jobs has a saying that A players hire A players; B players hire C players; and C players hire D players. It doesnt take long to get to Z players. This trickle-down effect causes bozo explosions in companies.
11:23 matey; steve jobs was a bozo
11:24 schestowitz[TR2]; z player
11:24 schestowitz[TR2]; not playing much
11:24 matey; but he knew how to make money (as long as it was with apple)
11:24 schestowitz[TR2]; just bullying people
11:24 schestowitz[TR2]; he's no longer making money btw
11:24 schestowitz[TR2]; worked himself to death
11:24 matey; im not sure thats what happened
11:25 TR News; "Shadows of Adam is a JRPG inspired retro game from Something Classic Games that released back in 2017" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/inspired-by-classic-jrpgs-shadows-of-adam-gets-improved-linux-and-steam-deck-support/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:25 TR Bot; by classic JRPGs, Shadows of Adam gets improved Linux and Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: I was told by people who know him personally
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; when apple sacked him it harmed his health a lot
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; now, I don't know what factors could contribute to his cancer
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; but he also dealth poorly with iut
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; *dealt
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; not a freudian slip btw
11:26 matey; no, you just have your keyboard set to "gollum"
11:26 TR News; "The free and open source first-person strategy shooter Unvanquished has a new Beta release" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/free-first-person-strategy-shooter-unvanquished-version-053-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:26 TR Bot; first-person strategy shooter Unvanquished version 0.53 out now | GamingOnLinux
11:26 schestowitz[TR2]; donth youth sayth dith to me
11:26 matey; mine is set to mr magoo
11:26 schestowitz[TR2]; the rapper?
11:27 matey; didnt know there was a rapper by that name
11:27 matey; i mean the one voiced by mr howell
11:27 matey; whos name wasnt actually mr howell
11:27 schestowitz[TR2]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=APHonXLtEEY
11:27 TR Bot; Timbaland & Magoo - Luv 2 Luv Ya (Original Video) - Invidious
11:27 schestowitz[TR2]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=q5-QyiJepbM
11:27 TR Bot; What Happened to Magoo? - Invidious
11:27 matey; but thats the name he was best known by
11:28 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xQcBXqHBcZM
11:28 TR Bot; Gilligans Island -Classic Mr Howell on how to live if you win $1 million - Invidious
11:28 TR News; "Love exploration and mining? Want to do it with many explosions? Check out the new Native Linux release of BLASTRONAUT." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/blastronaut-is-a-fresh-mining-game-full-of-explosions/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:28 TR Bot; is a fresh mining game full of explosions | GamingOnLinux
11:28 TR News; "Frogun is a brand new Native Linux release, designed in the spirit of the PlayStation 1 and Nintendo 64 era, this is a proper classic 3D platformer. Note: key provided by their PR team." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/frogun-is-a-3d-platformer-with-the-soul-of-a-nintendo-64-game/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:28 TR Bot; is a 3D platformer with the soul of a Nintendo 64 game | GamingOnLinux
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11:33 TR News; "The OpenNCC NCB is an accelerated AI reference platform fully developed by EyeCloud.AI. This board can be interfaced with Raspberry Pi board." https://linuxgizmos.com/openncc-ncb-an-open-source-alternative-to-intels-neural-compute-stick-2/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
11:33 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/openncc-ncb-an-open-source-alternative-to-intels-neural-compute-stick-2/ )
11:34 TR News; What does it have to do with Linux??? The users of GNU/Linux should strive to avoid such low-grade, defective products from Microsofters. https://linuxgizmos.com/full-size-picmg-1-3-slot-cpu-card-supports-10th-11th-gen-intel-processors/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
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11:34 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/full-size-picmg-1-3-slot-cpu-card-supports-10th-11th-gen-intel-processors/ )
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11:35 TR News; "The root partition will be 4 GiB big. /varwill be on a separate, 10 GiB big partition" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/using-hosted-image-builder-its-api | Source: Red Hat Official
11:35 TR Bot; Using hosted image builder via its API
11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: did you consider getting your own blog domain? no ads..
11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; (and not registered via wordpress.com to fake controlling it)
11:38 TR News; Where is OStattic today? Dead, gone. They tried to peddle Microsoft talking points, but like Softpedia's coup it led to a lack of audience. As for Sam Dean, the editor, Zemlin and Sheela Microsoft Foundation canned HIM TOO.
11:38 TR News; "The business owner or customers cannot interact with the eCommerce system without an OS." https://www.unixmen.com/linux-or-windows-for-ecommerce/ | Source: Unix Men
11:38 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/linux-or-windows-for-ecommerce/ )
11:40 *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techrights
11:41 TR News; 'Linux' Foundation only "hires" or pays Torvalds to borrow (or access) his trademark, using him as a human mascot while cheapening the brand for Microsoft and friends. The trademark aspect is related to the Linux Mark. It is monetised to death by openwashing PR activities.
11:42 TR News; Guess which "Linux" conference for conference spam? "He got a job offer from BillG so he went and hid out at Microsoft." https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/19x/speakers/seamus-blackley
11:42 TR Bot; Seamus Blackley | SCALE 19x
11:43 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR2]> DaemonFC: did you consider getting your own blog domain? no ads..
11:43 techuser; you liar
11:43 DaemonFC; Possibly. That does come with my own e-mail address.
11:43 techuser; > your own
11:43 techuser; your *rented*
11:43 TR News; "Ive killed at least two Mac conferences. [...] by injecting Microsoft content into the conference, the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this?" -Microsoft's chief evangelist http://techrights.org/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/
11:43 TR Bot; 66 Pages of Microsoft Evilness | Techrights
11:44 TR News; "You want to infiltrate those. Again, theres two categories. Theres those that are controlled by vendors; like MSJ; we control that. And theres those that are independent. [...] So thats how you use journals that we control. The ones that third parties control, like the WinTech Journal, you want to infiltrate." Microsoft's chief evangelist http://techrights.org/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/
11:44 techuser; I feel like I deal with multiple-layered honeypot, and I don't know where the "truth" is
11:44 TR News; "You want to infiltrate those. Again, theres two categories. Theres those that are controlled by vendors; like MSJ; we control that. And theres those that are independent. [...] So thats how you use journals that we control. The ones that third parties control, like the WinTech Journal, you want to infiltrate." http://techrights.org/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/
11:44 DaemonFC; "the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this?"
11:44 DaemonFC; Microsoft Loves Debconf
11:44 matey; I feel like I deal with multiple-layered honeypot, and I don't know where the "truth" is <- lots of people deal with that feeling
11:45 matey; but who are you calling a liar?
11:45 schestowitz[TR2]; techuser: icann is then his issue
11:45 schestowitz[TR2]; and iana
11:45 matey; /me presumes its horseface
11:45 schestowitz[TR2]; no
11:45 schestowitz[TR2]; it's somehaxor
11:45 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], It wouldn't surprise me if "Outreach to Women" was a sex trafficking operation.
11:45 horseface; it's me.
11:45 matey; no, other way around
11:45 schestowitz[TR2]; I think he's the youngest person here
11:45 matey; /me shakes his head
11:45 matey; i know who techuser is
11:45 horseface; high i'm hu.
11:45 horseface; hi
11:45 matey; im asking who he is calling a liar
11:45 horseface; high i'm hi
11:45 schestowitz[TR2]; if I lives where he lives, I too would be suspicious of everyone
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; his poresident sends the locals to die for USA
11:46 DaemonFC; Who else would pay for minors to cross international boundaries?
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; *president
11:46 matey; yeah but thats not why hes like that
11:46 DaemonFC; Alone.
11:46 matey; hes like that because his parents lie to him a lot
11:46 techuser; schestowitz[TR2] being a liar. He said "your own" domain, but you don't own it.
11:46 matey; really fucks with your sense of trust
11:46 DaemonFC; Into a country that they don't know their way around in, and cannot speak the national language....
11:46 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: possibly
11:47 schestowitz[TR2]; parenting is overrated
11:47 techuser; parents create a fake world for the children, where they feel "safe"
11:47 DaemonFC; I heard "Debconf Kosovo".
11:47 matey; He said "your own" domain, but you don't own it. <- think this is more of an inaccuracy
11:48 TR News; Anti-GNU/Linux FUD. Microsoft is NERVOUS!! ... redmond speaks: "Previously her work has appeared in ... and Official Xbox Magazine." https://www.pcworld.com/article/820164/5-reasons-angry-nerds-switch-linux.html
11:48 TR Bot; terrible reasons angry nerds say I should switch to Linux | PCWorld
11:48 matey; <techuser> parents create a fake world for the children, where they feel "safe" <- do you feel "safe"?
11:48 techuser; no. The world did break. I think I will feel permanently depressed.
11:48 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: IP addresses are also leased
11:48 techuser; *that world
11:48 matey; you might
11:48 schestowitz[TR2]; everyone on the Net is a tenant
11:48 schestowitz[TR2]; on the earth too
11:48 schestowitz[TR2]; people pay lots of money to "buy land"
11:48 schestowitz[TR2]; who from?
11:48 schestowitz[TR2]; good question
11:49 schestowitz[TR2]; 2 months ago we "bought land"
11:49 schestowitz[TR2]; somewhere super-cheap
11:49 matey; pfft, you believe in money?
11:49 schestowitz[TR2]; money is leased
11:49 schestowitz[TR2]; check the footnote on banknotes
11:49 schestowitz[TR2]; you don't own them
11:50 schestowitz[TR2]; iirc, burning money or destroying coins can getg you in hot water
11:50 DaemonFC; The last time I heard about Kosovo, it was Clinton's war to back the separatists from Yugoslavia.
11:50 schestowitz[TR2]; becausde they are not yours
11:50 matey; you dont
11:50 matey; spending money thats been destroyed is an issue
11:50 DaemonFC; One of Clinton's legacies was the breakup of Yugoslavia. It happened a couple years after he left office.
11:50 matey; people make coins into jewelry, its fine as long as they dont try to use them as legal tender
11:50 schestowitz[TR2]; in sixelland people burned actual money for heating
11:50 schestowitz[TR2]; because hitler was over-printing it
11:51 schestowitz[TR2]; or his predecessor too
11:51 schestowitz[TR2]; to game the treaty
11:51 DaemonFC; Then the triple damned Catholic church started dumping Serbs all over the United States.
11:51 matey; klf burned all their profits
11:51 matey; literally
11:51 DaemonFC; The only thing they ever do while they suckle the welfare programs here is tell me how much they hate my country.
11:52 DaemonFC; Fuck, nobody's keeping them here against their will. They can go back.
11:52 TR News; Buying the system, literally https://doctorow.medium.com/the-high-cost-of-self-funded-democrats-b0a5ffc4bfb1
11:52 TR Bot; The high cost of self-funded Democrats | by Cory Doctorow | Aug, 2022 | Medium
11:52 TR News; regulations.gov is blocked by javascript!!! https://www.regulations.gov/
11:52 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Regulations.gov
11:52 DaemonFC; The Catholics bring them here AND employ them and all they do is bitch bitch bitch about how much they hate America.
11:52 phanes; bro that's racist af
11:52 TR News; Some vote banks https://eu.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/08/02/tlaib-12-th-congressional-district-detroit/10200612002/
11:52 phanes; not racist, xenophobic
11:52 TR Bot; Tlaib wins race for Democratic nod in new Detroit-Dearborn district
11:53 phanes; there are plenty of serbs that contribute just fine to their communities
11:53 matey; making fun of scientology is xenuphobic
11:53 DaemonFC; The only ones I ever heard about were working for the Catholics and saying how much they hated it here.
11:54 schestowitz[TR2]; xenu :-)
11:54 matey; #notallserbs
11:54 matey; i dont think thats where he was going with that
11:54 matey; but who knows
11:54 schestowitz[TR2]; what did biden call serbs?
11:54 schestowitz[TR2]; "animals"?
11:54 schestowitz[TR2]; biden is not racist
11:54 *phanes shrugs
11:54 techuser; I think enjoying fantasy games/movies in my early childhood did fuck up my life/expectations
11:54 schestowitz[TR2]; biden is black... he promotes coal and opil
11:54 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], The Catholics lost $3 million that they dumped into the abortion ban constitutional amendment that failed last nigh....in Kansas of all places.
11:54 DaemonFC; Not only failed, but failed big time.
11:54 matey; <techuser> I think enjoying fantasy games/movies in my early childhood did fuck up my life/expectations <- i dont
11:54 phanes; "this other guy is xenophobic trash and people don't recognize it, so i can be too"
11:54 techuser; because I now have to realize that I will be yet another sad worker, until I retire
11:55 DaemonFC; Only a third of voters in Kansas backed a total abortion ban in the state constitution.
11:55 schestowitz[TR2]; techuser: maybe not . your age group "sucks"
11:55 matey; i think you probably played them to escape the things that fucked up your expectations
11:55 schestowitz[TR2]; you have little future
11:55 schestowitz[TR2]; no chace of buying a home until near death
11:55 matey; oh shut the fuck up, roy
11:55 schestowitz[TR2]; you borrow from the banks, at best
11:55 techuser; yes, I did escape reality too much I think
11:55 matey; please get a brain before you give him advice
11:55 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: it's true though
11:55 schestowitz[TR2]; speak to teens today
11:55 schestowitz[TR2]; about job propsects
11:55 matey; you dont know what youre talking about
11:55 schestowitz[TR2]; their parents cannot send them to colllage
11:55 DaemonFC; I hate the Catholic Church. They don't do anything except ruin my country.
11:56 phanes; yeah our college system is as broken as our real estate market
11:56 phanes; its a debt trap
11:56 DaemonFC; Well, they're shrinking but they're still plenty big to be an annoyance.
11:56 matey; that much is certainly true
11:56 phanes; so much so that our industry has adapted to a workforce without degrees
11:56 DaemonFC; They should be considered a foreign invader which is here to meddle.
11:56 DaemonFC; They have their own city state and they're a corrupt European institution.
11:56 DaemonFC; They should be illegal.
11:56 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: many young people today face possible evictionb
11:57 schestowitz[TR2]; because the parents are out of work
11:57 matey; youre an idiot of the highest order, you really are
11:57 schestowitz[TR2]; as a kid, I got shocked when I realised "dad was in debt"
11:57 schestowitz[TR2]; now it's even worse than just debt
11:57 matey; techuser, if you do just one thing, dont let roy give you advice
11:57 matey; hes a markov chain bot, or should have been
11:57 phanes; what the catholics need is a system of accountability within their own communities that doesn't involve a free pass
11:57 schestowitz[TR2]; I still remember where the car was when my dad told me this
11:57 schestowitz[TR2]; and I was about 10
11:58 schestowitz[TR2]; and stil remmeber
11:58 schestowitz[TR2]; I remeber which part of the road the car was at
11:58 techuser; but it may be truth
11:58 matey; <phanes> what the catholics need is a system of accountability within their own communities that doesn't involve a free pass <- i dont follow this at all, what?
11:58 techuser; I may fail to get a job regardless of what my parents tell to me
11:58 matey; <techuser> but it may be truth <- if its coming from roy, its mostly going to be bullshit anyway
11:58 matey; he talks a LOT of shit
11:58 DaemonFC; Carlin talked about Catholics a lot.
11:58 matey; because it makes him feel good
11:59 DaemonFC; One of his positions was that the Catholic church really sucks at balancing their checkbook.
11:59 DaemonFC; Which just gets funnier every year you go back and watch him.
11:59 matey; he mostly lacks empathy and tries to prove he cares by saying fucked up things that make people feel worse
11:59 phanes; matey, generally my experience with catholics so far has been somewhat negative, and my opinion is that going to confession on the weekend is a poor alternative to people in the community holding people responsible for poor behaviour until the behaviour is corrected
11:59 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: no I am a pessimeist
11:59 schestowitz[TR2]; and make a motto to keep expectations low
11:59 DaemonFC; Germany has freedom of religion, but they banned Scientology.
11:59 matey; phanes: but their concept of bad behaviour is pretty slanted about as many ways as it can be
11:59 schestowitz[TR2]; it helps avoid disappointments
12:00 schestowitz[TR2]; as the world gets crueler
12:00 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> and make a motto to keep expectations low <- try not to talk any depressed readers off a ledge though
12:00 DaemonFC; Their position is that Scientology isn't a religion. Scientology was started by a Science Fiction author who said he would start a religion just to pay no taxes and take in a bunch of money.
12:00 matey; if theyre already paranoid, im sorry theyre reading techrights in the first place
12:00 phanes; matey, yeah, hard to do business with someone who routinely screws people over and doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. hard to fix that, too. the solution is people not doing business with that person instead of blaming catholics.
12:00 matey; the solution is people not doing business with that person instead of blaming catholics. <- agreed
12:01 matey; i missed whoever blamed catholics
12:01 DaemonFC; There's tapes of L. Ron Hubbard saying that on a radio interview a few years before Scientology.
12:01 schestowitz[TR2]; I don't view it that way at all, matey
12:01 phanes; matey, i think DaemonFC was blaming catholics or serbs or maybe catholic serbs? :D
12:01 schestowitz[TR2]; sometimes you need to put in context what puts people down
12:01 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> I don't view it that way at all, mate <- you just make shit up on a whim
12:01 matey; theres no continuity
12:01 matey; its pure convenience.
12:01 schestowitz[TR2]; and make it clear that they are not alone
12:01 schestowitz[TR2]; Gates-funded "media" tell people employment is "record low" is NOT helping
12:01 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> and make it clear that they are not alone <- i dont think thats what youre doing, but hopefully it has that effect
12:01 schestowitz[TR2]; it makes people feel guilt and feel inadequate
12:02 DaemonFC; I don't mind immigrants but if they're going to complain about it while they have it good here, they should just leave.
12:02 DaemonFC; I'm sure they left where they came here from because life was going SO WELL for them over there.
12:02 *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
12:02 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/253775
12:02 TR Bot; Father of Moskva sailor received his son's death certificate 110 days after his death
12:03 schestowitz[TR2]; atm ukraine is a market leader at recruiting cannon fodder
12:03 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/03/belgorod-region-authorities-to-close-schools-and-kindergartens-in-districts-bordering-with-ukraine-news "Belgorod region authorities to close schools and kindergartens in districts bordering with Ukraine"
12:03 schestowitz[TR2]; so much of it that they even import "workers" from all over the world
12:03 DaemonFC; That would be Russia.
12:03 TR Bot; .
12:03 schestowitz[TR2]; that too
12:03 matey; /me doesnt know why workers is in scarequotes but ok
12:03 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/03/a78492
12:04 TR Bot; Russia Backs Myanmar Junta's Efforts to 'Stabilize' Country FM - The Moscow Times
12:04 schestowitz[TR2]; mmercenaries
12:04 matey; ah, well
12:04 DaemonFC; Military dictatorships are famous for stabilizing their countries!
12:04 DaemonFC; :)
12:04 matey; thats fair enough
12:04 schestowitz[TR2]; mercenaries = arguably a "job"
12:04 schestowitz[TR2]; mot like state-=sanctions hitmen
12:04 matey; its definitely a job
12:04 schestowitz[TR2]; in the US many troops don't choose this job
12:04 DaemonFC; Complainers get shot.
12:05 DaemonFC; Survivers get shot twice.
12:05 matey; but yeah, if thats what you meant then scarequotes, sure
12:05 DaemonFC; *survivors
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; the system makes them discardable... and killing people is their only way to get college grant and MAYBE find a job afterwards... if they're not too depress and traumatised already
12:05 XRevan86; "mmercenaries" <- Did someone say PMC Wagner?
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; *depressed
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; XFaCE: russia
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; XRevan86: in africa
12:06 schestowitz[TR2]; meduza keeps covering them
12:06 XRevan86; schestowitz: Not just Africa.
12:06 schestowitz[TR2]; until some wagners footsoldiers get deployed to riga
12:06 DaemonFC; I don't think we're likely to have a military coup in the US. If nobody did it for Trump, I doubt it would happen.
12:06 DaemonFC; He tried. They said no.
12:06 schestowitz[TR2]; and deal with the "foreign agents" on foreign soil
12:07 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: coups rarely succeed the first time
12:07 DaemonFC; At the rate things are going, I think most people would welcome military rule in the US.
12:07 schestowitz[TR2]; they learn from the first
12:07 matey; techuser: a lot of things are true in a technical sense, but only brought up in a context to frame periperal bullshit as realistic
12:07 matey; in other words, every effective lie has a kernel of truth
12:07 matey; but its bullshit nonetheless
12:07 DaemonFC; It would be an end to the lawlessness that politicians like Pritzker allowed to unfold while he had the National Guard directing traffic during the riots.
12:08 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: better that than getting drafted
12:08 DaemonFC; I'm strongly leaning towards voting for the Libertarian Party this year and if Pritzker loses, he loses.
12:09 TR News; Red Hat, Red Hat, Red Hat, Red Hat... https://opensource.com/article/22/8/network-configuration-files | Source: OpenSource.com
12:09 DaemonFC; I don't see how we'd be a whole lot worse off with Darren Bailey (the Republican). Pritzker has my taxes going up, up, up by the minute on top of all of the inflation.
12:09 TR Bot; sysadmin's guide to network interface configuration files | Opensource.com
12:09 TR News; "The default Proxmox local storage location is /var/liz/vz." https://ostechnix.com/add-external-usb-storage-to-proxmox/ | Source: OSTechNix
12:09 TR Bot; To Add External USB Storage To Proxmox - OSTechNix
12:10 matey; /me tries to think of the name of the lady masons, but only comes up with "order of the phoenix" :)
12:10 matey; (im pretty confident its not that)
12:11 DaemonFC; This fucking state hasn't ever done anything for me except have its jackbooted thugs come after me a couple of years ago.
12:11 psydruid; "Shoot them at first sight"
12:12 DaemonFC; The left says the Constitution doesn't guarantee the right to have weapons because the public isn't a "militia". However, federal law defines the "unorganized militia" as being "all men between 17 and 45".
12:13 DaemonFC; So it follows that either the law establishing the National Guard is unconstitutional, or at least men between 17 and 45 have a Constitutional right to have weapons.
12:14 matey; i guess there are several http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/orders_women_freemasonry.html
12:14 TR Bot; Masonic Orders for Women
12:14 matey; the one im thinking of has a white star, or the centre is white, but each of the tips is a different colour
12:14 DaemonFC; Wisconsin law on the use of force says you can do it to protect property from vandalism or theft, or yourself if you're in danger. No duty to flee.
12:14 DaemonFC; So Kyle Rittenhouse didn't do anything illegal.
12:15 DaemonFC; It's amazing how the left immediately sides with a group of rioters trying to burn down his friend's business.
12:16 DaemonFC; Including one that was there attacking him and trying to grab his gun. He had every right to shoot Gage Grosskreutz and frankly, it's unfortunately that guy even survived.
12:16 DaemonFC; He's a creep and he's been arrested numerous times for domestic battery and drunk driving.
12:16 matey; i think its the order of the eastern star
12:16 DaemonFC; *unfortunate
12:16 matey; eastern star != phoenix
12:17 DaemonFC; Probably the only thing Grosskreutz will ever do is cost the state money.
12:17 DaemonFC; He's beaten so many women and been pulled over for DUI so many times the fucker is probably Irish or something.
12:18 TR News; "If you, for one reason or the other, are still actively using CentOS 8" https://www.tecmint.com/error-failed-to-download-metadata-for-repo-appstream/ | Source: TecMint
12:18 TR Bot; Fix Error: Failed to Download Metadata for Repo 'AppStream'
12:18 DaemonFC; I know, it's German, but you can pick up a surname anywhere.
12:18 TR News; "Linux Mint 21 code-named Vanessa is the latest version of the popular Linux Mint desktop operating system that is available in three versions" https://www.tecmint.com/install-linux-mint-cinnamon/ | Source: TecMint
12:18 TR Bot; Installation of Linux Mint 21 [Cinnamon Edition] Desktop
12:18 matey; This order, which has it origins in Scotland, dates back some 200 years. The ritual is based on the lives of five Biblical heroines. Three come from the Old Testament, Adah - the daughter, Ruth - the widow, and Esther -- the wife, and two from the New Testament, Martha"- the sister, and Electa - the mother.
12:18 TR News; "Linux Mint is one of the fastest-growing desktop Linux distributions today." https://www.tecmint.com/install-linux-mint-debian-edition/ | Source: TecMint
12:18 TR Bot; How to Install LMDE 5 Elsie Cinnamon Edition
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12:19 TR News; "The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 will knock out less than 10 percent of US climate pollution by 2030" https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/manchin-schumer-inflation-deal/ | Source: The Nation
12:19 TR Bot; The Manchin-Schumer Deal Could Pay Offif Congress Acts | The Nation
12:21 DaemonFC; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7W8FzY3PaXU
12:21 TR Bot; Gaige Grosskreutz chair breaks during Zoom court, Kyle Rittenhouse can't help but laugh at him - Invidious
12:22 schestowitz[TR2]; "Web-based" 'tribunals
12:22 DaemonFC; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xQ_DyMubA5U
12:22 TR Bot; Police Bodycam Footage of Gaige Grosskreutz being arrested for DUI on 10/6/2020. - Invidious
12:23 TR News; Games: SteamOS 3.3, New Records for GNU/Linux Usage, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167951
12:23 TR Bot; Games: SteamOS 3.3, New Records for GNU/Linux Usage, and More | Tux Machines
12:23 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR2]> "Web-based" 'tribunals
12:23 DaemonFC; Yeah, I had one over the ticket for "running a traffic light", but the ticket got thrown out.
12:23 TR News; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Calendar Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167952
12:23 TR Bot; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Calendar | Tux Machines
12:24 TR News; Fedora 37 Beta Wallpaper Update Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167953
12:24 TR Bot; Fedora 37 Beta Wallpaper Update | Tux Machines
12:24 DaemonFC; My argument would have been that I didn't break the law since right turns have priority and the police cited me under the wrong statute.
12:24 DaemonFC; It didn't make it that far.
12:25 DaemonFC; My accusers don't show up for court when it's their court date.
12:25 DaemonFC; So I demanded a trial and figured they wouldn't show up, and I was right.
12:26 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe they value their time more than you do ;-)
12:27 TR News; "Defaming journalism on the OPCWs Syria cover-up scandal" https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/02/nato-backed-network-of-syria-dirty-war-propagandists-identified/ | Source: Scheerpost
↺ https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/02/nato-backed-network-of-syria-dirty-war-propagandists-identified/
12:27 TR Bot; Network of Syria Dirty War Propagandists Identified scheerpost.com
12:28 TR News; "On July 13, Nicolas Niarchos, a journalist on assignment for The Nation, along with his colleague and translator Joseph Jeef Kazadi, were extrajudicially detained in Lubumbashi" https://www.thenation.com/article/world/joseph-jeef-kazadi-congo/ | Source: The Nation
12:28 TR Bot; Free Jeef Kazadi! | The Nation
12:30 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR2]> maybe they value their time more than you do ;-)
12:30 DaemonFC; Smoking marijuana, masturbating, and eating cheetos probably from the looks of them.
12:31 DaemonFC; Anyway, as far as the cops, they can look at their little cop computer and see if you went to court and fought your last ticket or not and what the outcome was.
12:31 DaemonFC; If they see "This person doesn't fight their tickets." what do you think happens next time they run your license plates?
12:34 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], I noticed a pattern in the court computer.
12:34 DaemonFC; People who just pay the ticket end up getting a string of them.
12:39 DaemonFC; The cops probably pull them over and see they just pay the ticket, and that probably tilts the scale in deciding whether they write another one.
12:39 DaemonFC; If you pull over a person who fights them, you might be leaning towards letting them go. The whole point of ticketing drivers is to make as much money as possible when it's time for court.
12:39 DaemonFC; Ideally you ticket people who don't even go to court.
12:40 DaemonFC; If you get a string of them that go to court and take up 20-30 minutes insisting on a trial, it throws sand in the gears. So you get ones that don't go to court, or who quickly plead guilty in exchange for something.
12:41 DaemonFC; The ones that say "negotiate guilty plea for court supervision" are the next best thing to not fighting the ticket.
12:42 DaemonFC; The ones where they went to trial and got a ruling from the judge in the end are the 5% of the cases that take up 99% of your time.
12:42 DaemonFC; I don't think the concept is that different from getting knocked down by the bully at school.
12:43 DaemonFC; Whether you win or lose, you have to fight back. If you don't, you'll get it so much worse next time.
12:43 DaemonFC; The bullies want to go to the people who don't make a problem for them.
12:44 DaemonFC; The court acts like it has all the time in the world to deal with you, but in reality it does not.
12:44 DaemonFC; There's only so many minutes the prosecutor wants to stand there and risk per person.
12:44 DaemonFC; He'll come way down the longer you keep going.
12:45 phanes; ^ this
12:45 DaemonFC; There's probably 70-80 people that have court that day, and I see the prosecutor act tough in the beginning and then after 10 minutes have gone by and you're still forcing the court to deal with you, he comes down like 90% vs what the demands were if you'll just stop and take the offer then.
12:45 phanes; fight every single ticket
12:46 phanes; when i was younger in virginia i would just say "im too busy for this, just pay it and move on" and that was a horrible idea
12:46 phanes; they will just write tickets until you dont have a license anymore
12:46 DaemonFC; Yeah, then you got the same cop pulling you over again and again, right?
12:46 phanes; yep
12:46 DaemonFC; You were their favorite customer.
12:47 phanes; so eventually i started hiring lawyers to aggressively fight every ticket and started filing formal complaints if there wasn't a good reason to pull me over
12:47 phanes; got shook down a few times by buddy cops
12:47 phanes; then started filing on those
12:47 phanes; now i get "yes sir, thank you sir"
12:48 phanes; it's also mortally irresponsible to not have cameras rolling in your car
12:49 phanes; the police are not your friends and they don't have public interest in mind
12:49 phanes; and if you grow up believing that they're your friends or that they play some critical part in society it's hard to shake it
12:50 DaemonFC; Better to just avoid them.
12:50 DaemonFC; The only reason I couldn't is because I knew I had to call them.
12:50 phanes; they get super pissed if you do too lol
12:50 DaemonFC; If I had just done what that other driver wanted and gone on about our business, then they could have reported me as a hit and run.
12:51 phanes; when i get pulled over i roll the window about halfway down and just provide my license and insurance papers and tell them i dont answer questions
12:51 DaemonFC; You have an accident, you call the police immediately.
12:51 DaemonFC; It sucks, but.... The alternative may be a criminal charge.
12:51 DaemonFC; Having an accident isn't a crime. The worst they'll get you on is a moving violation.
12:52 DaemonFC; But if you leave, then it becomes a he said, she said, and they're saying you hit them and fled.
12:52 phanes; yeah
12:52 phanes; another reason why it's irresponsible not to have a camera in your vehicle
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12:53 DaemonFC; Lesson 2 (after the cops just want money): The cops will always believe what the trash in the other car are saying about you.
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12:53 DaemonFC; You'd think that sometimes the cops would believe you, but they just never do.
12:54 DaemonFC; The other guy could be a John Wayne Gacy and the cops will still believe him.
12:54 phanes; my pickup got hit by a water truck when i was 19 in southeast texas
12:54 phanes; dude ran a redlight and was apparently drunk
12:54 phanes; good ole boy in uniform shows up to take the report, my vehicle is totalled
12:55 phanes; i know exactly what you mean because they put me down at fault and i didn't know to fight it
12:55 DaemonFC; Well, the interesting thing is I have an at-fault accident from that even though I got the ticket thrown out, but nobody in the other car ever bothered to file a claim on my car insurance.
12:56 DaemonFC; So CLUE closed it out as a $0 claim and it didn't affect my car insurance.
12:57 DaemonFC; One of them was hamming it up and had fire and rescue take him to the hospital in a neck brace over a 3 mph fender bender.
12:57 phanes; lol
12:57 DaemonFC; That was the parolee out on child molestation and prison riot.
12:57 DaemonFC; :)
12:57 phanes; was probably thinking he could score some meds at the ER to sell
12:57 DaemonFC; I called his parole officer up in Wisconsin and told her he was in Illinois that day and handed her the accident report where the cops put his name on it as the passenger.
12:58 DaemonFC; ;)
12:58 phanes; lol
12:59 DaemonFC; Parole means you can't leave the state you're on parole in without a day pass.
12:59 DaemonFC; So he was a little busy when my court date came around.
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
12:59 phanes; the funny thing with cops is they use every reason they can to fuck you over using your own words and then will still get visible enraged if you refuse to answer their questions
12:59 TR News; "scope creep is an integral part of the process." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/02/the-rollercoaster-of-developing-the-ultimate-hackable-keyboard/ | Source: Hackaday
12:59 TR Bot; Rollercoaster Of Developing The Ultimate Hackable Keyboard | Hackaday
12:59 phanes; *visibly
13:00 phanes; its like
13:00 DaemonFC; phanes, What's funny is the guy goes to duck his parole and he updates Facebook saying he lives in Mississippi.
13:00 phanes; "you conditioned us to be like this by abusing this process"
13:00 DaemonFC; "Oh they'll never check Facebook!"
13:01 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167954
13:01 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
13:01 DaemonFC; <phanes> the funny thing with cops is they use every reason they can to fuck you over using your own words and then will still get visible enraged if you refuse to answer their questions
13:01 DaemonFC; It's all a ploy.
13:01 DaemonFC; They know most people are social and will be thrown off balance by someone else being upset with them.
13:01 DaemonFC; Especially someone intimidating, like a cop.
13:02 DaemonFC; The cop isn't actually upset with you, he's just play acting like he is to get a response. Because nothing he's done prior to that has worked.
13:02 DaemonFC; If that doesn't work, he'll start being nice.
13:03 DaemonFC; They'll throw you in a cell for 4-5 hours while they "Go do some paperwork." and then they'll come back and "just try to level with you and hear you out".
13:03 phanes; my favorite pull over story is when i get pulled over when a light turned red while i was going through it, a cop walks up to the car on each side and they're both trying to talk to me at the same time out each window, one at driver side asks for my license and insurance, so i go glove compartment to get it, and the one on the passenger side pulls out his firearm and starts screaming for me to pull out my driver's license now
13:03 phanes; so i just stop calmly, put hands on the wheel and say "which one of you am I dealing with"
13:03 DaemonFC; There's no good reason to leave you in a cell overnight except that it makes you tires and start to lose track of time.
13:03 phanes; one on driver's side says "me"
13:03 DaemonFC; You don't like being in there, and they know it.
13:03 DaemonFC; *tired
13:04 phanes; so i say "ok im rolling the window up on your aggressive asshole partner" and he's screaming while I roll the window up
13:04 DaemonFC; If you end up in a cell, the best thing to remember is that the reason the booking process is taking so long is because it's part of an act.
13:05 phanes; and i just sit there and wait after telling the one at the driver side that im not doing anything until his partner puts his gun away and gets back in his vehicle
13:05 DaemonFC; They haven't forgotten about you. They know what you're doing in there because of the camera. If you start fidgeting or pacing around, then they're going to be emboldened by it.
13:05 DaemonFC; It's best to lay down for a while and face the wall and pretend to sleep.
13:05 phanes; the crazy part is it actually worked
13:05 DaemonFC; Pretend like nothing is bothering you.
13:07 DaemonFC; <phanes> the crazy part is it actually worked
13:07 DaemonFC; Careful about reaching for anything.
13:07 phanes; yeah pretty much
13:07 DaemonFC; Anything at all, even the window button.
13:07 phanes; im always looking at where their hands are
13:07 schestowitz[TR2]; cops love to compensate for the job being not so rewarding and honourable by bullying people and making a case they can get away with doing illegal things, then face no conseuqnces
13:07 phanes; as soon as a cop puts their hand on their weapon i just i go right into "handle" mode
13:07 schestowitz[TR2]; that's their sense of power and entitlem,ent
13:08 schestowitz[TR2]; qualified immunity or whatever
13:08 schestowitz[TR2]; best thing therefore,
13:08 schestowitz[TR2]; avoid them
13:08 schestowitz[TR2]; they're looking for a fight, many of them do
13:08 phanes; my favorite is "thank you for not killing anyone during this routine traffic stop sir"
13:08 DaemonFC; One of them patted me down and missed a can of pepper spray.
13:08 DaemonFC; I told him that he missed a can of pepper spray and to please come take it from me so that they couldn't accuse me of entering their jail with a weapon later.
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13:10 DaemonFC; There are no laws if it's a cop, basically.
13:10 DaemonFC; Less than 0.3% of them that do something illegal ever get charged with a crime for it.
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13:10 DaemonFC; And less than half of them get convicted.
13:11 DaemonFC; Those are national statistics.
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13:11 DaemonFC; In many states, 0% of them ever get investigated, or it's a pretend investigation that never leads to any charges.
13:12 DaemonFC; The Georgia Bureau of investigation takes their gun and puts them on a desk for a couple weeks, with pay, then hands them their gun back.
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13:13 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], I really wish that the state would start issuing "travel advisories" about visiting other states.
13:14 DaemonFC; I mean, pretty much everyone knows not to even go to those southern states where the cops can do anything they want, but there's no official warning about it.
13:14 DaemonFC; Body cameras aren't the law down there because they don't want to know what the police do.
13:15 DaemonFC; So they can beat people up and kill them and there's no record of what happened.
13:16 DaemonFC; Fox News was talking about cops in Illinois fleeing for Texas.
13:16 DaemonFC; You know which ones we're probably losing to Texas.
13:16 DaemonFC; The ones who are afraid that they'll get busted for wrongdoing up here, that know Texas won't do shit about them.
13:17 TR News; Links 03/08/2022: SteamOS 3.3, GNU/Linux Hits New Highs in Steam | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/03/steamos-3-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/03/steamos-3-3/
13:17 DaemonFC; It's like self-selection. The ones that know they're up to criminal activity against the public go to where they'll get away with it.
13:17 TR Bot; Links 03/08/2022: SteamOS 3.3, GNU/Linux Hits New Highs in Steam | Techrights
13:18 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167955
13:18 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
13:18 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167956
13:18 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
13:18 TR News; An Early Look at Fedora Linux 37 on Raspberry Pi 4 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167957
13:18 TR Bot; An Early Look at Fedora Linux 37 on Raspberry Pi 4 | Tux Machines
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13:25 phanes; oh my, twitter is going nuclear on musk's network with subpeonas
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; url?
13:25 phanes; schestowitz[TR2], https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/08/twitter-went-into-ludicrous-mode-in-elon-musk-suit.html?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&fbclid=IwAR0_47fi53dZHmmuoZlbPX1Jy2tX7hkq_7IcHwzMugC7b6FyiaIYj4aB_uU
13:25 TR Bot; Twitter Went Into Ludicrous Mode in Elon Musk Suit
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; twitter need to die, I hope he kills it
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; even though he's a fraud
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; they both need to die
13:25 phanes; of course he's a fraud
13:26 schestowitz[TR2]; twitter is alsoa fraud
13:26 schestowitz[TR2]; fraudwarsx
13:26 *schestowitz[TR2] popcorn
13:26 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/07/28/gradual-death-of-twitter/
13:26 TR Bot; Twitter is Dying, Based on Its Own Numbers (Which It Can Barely Fake Anymore, for Fear of Getting Caught by Elon Musk and His Lawyers) | Techrights
13:26 phanes; i have to admit if he had bought twitter it would have won brownie points in my book
13:26 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/fake-importance-of-twitter/
13:26 TR Bot; Elon Musk is Right About Twitter Faking Its Importance and Using Doctored, Manipulated Stats (or Bots) to Boost Valuation Based on Lies | Techrights
13:27 schestowitz[TR2]; I have no stake in twitter
13:27 schestowitz[TR2]; not financial, noit anything
13:27 schestowitz[TR2]; they ned toi die
13:27 schestowitz[TR2]; and leave society aloner
13:27 schestowitz[TR2]; *alone
13:27 phanes; very little happens there beyond defamation and complaining
13:28 schestowitz[TR2]; there will be many unemployed "social media consultants
13:28 schestowitz[TR2]; FB also loses
13:28 schestowitz[TR2]; people leave FB and FBInstagram in droves
13:28 phanes; oh facebook needs a fight club ending
13:28 schestowitz[TR2]; they used to hide and mask and conceal it
13:28 schestowitz[TR2]; but they can no longer do this
13:28 schestowitz[TR2]; twitter increased polarity
13:28 schestowitz[TR2]; round 2016... to drive up "engagement';
13:28 schestowitz[TR2]; irrespective of how thet f*cked up society, by design
13:29 phanes; How facebook should end: https://youtu.be/aPRRgGOqtrM
13:29 TR Bot; https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=aPRRgGOqtrM
13:29 TR Bot; invidious.namazso.eu | Fight Club Ending Scene - Invidious
13:30 schestowitz[TR2]; censored in china
13:33 TR News; Windows market share in Canadian desktops and laptops down to 6%. GNU/Linux at 7%. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/canada/#monthly-200901-202208
13:33 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share Canada | Statcounter Global Stats
13:35 schestowitz[TR2]; https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/taiwan/#monthly-200901-202208
13:35 TR Bot; Desktop Operating System Market Share Taiwan | Statcounter Global Stats
13:35 schestowitz[TR2]; 3.8% GNU/Linux
13:39 DaemonFC; Mr. GULAG posts a lot of twats to Shitter.
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13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; promoting gnu/linux obv. ^_^
13:51 *phanes bemuses the idea of a twitter clone called shitter
13:51 phanes; "Shitter's full!"
13:51 phanes; ^ when something goes viral
13:52 phanes; Mr. Gulag should consider his contributions to society, and delete his twitter account after apologizing to all the people he harmed with his false words on shitter.
13:53 phanes; By all appearances he should probably encourage his fiance to do the same, apparently.
13:54 phanes; frankly i blame the public education system, but his parents bear some of the blame as well
13:57 matey; <phanes> Mr. Gulag should consider his contributions to society, and delete his twitter account after apologizing to all the people he harmed with his false words on shitter. <- we both know it wont happen
13:58 matey; all the people he harmed <- that would include every gnu/linux user from about a decade ago through the future
13:59 matey; but also s/gnu\/linux/free software/ if s/decade/few years/
14:00 matey; the easiest way to fuck over that many people is if you dont care, cant care and never will care.
14:02 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
14:02 TR Bot; Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett | Techrights
14:02 TR News; One Can Speculate Why Windows-Friendly OEMs Start Enforcing Windows-Only Boot on Laptops (Microsoft Blocking BSD and GNU/Linux With UEFI) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/03/finland-2022-share-os/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/03/finland-2022-share-os/
14:02 TR Bot; One Can Speculate Why Windows-Friendly OEMs Start Enforcing Windows-Only Boot on Laptops (Microsoft Blocking BSD and GNU/Linux With UEFI) | Techrights
14:02 schestowitz[TR2]; when he defames me in twitter he gets "likes" from Microsoft
14:03 schestowitz[TR2]; so we know whose benefit he's for
14:03 schestowitz[TR2]; 2012: criticising Microsoft is kicking puppies
14:03 schestowitz[TR2]; 2022: criticising Microsoft is promoting rape
14:04 schestowitz[TR2]; btw, a couple of years ago tso spoke out against exFAT in Linux
14:04 schestowitz[TR2]; but who csares, right?
14:04 schestowitz[TR2]; *fing rape apologist"
14:04 matey; https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/07/lennart_poettering_red_hat_microsoft/
14:04 TR Bot; Lennart Poettering leaves Red Hat for Microsoft The Register
14:04 matey; NOW its obvious.
14:05 schestowitz[TR2]; one day you rape women
14:05 schestowitz[TR2]; the next day you start saying monopolies are bad
14:05 matey; christ. a double root canal was easier
14:06 TR News; microsoft loves Linux traitors http://techrights.org/2020/09/30/war-crimes-and-bribes/
14:06 TR Bot; War Crimes and Bribes | Techrights
14:07 TR News; Antitrust investigations are not likely while Microsoft pays its competitors to stop competing and instead start helping Microsoft http://techrights.org/2022/08/02/bribing-gnome/
14:07 TR Bot; Microsoft Bribing the Competition (to Get Something in Return) | Techrights
14:07 matey; in fairness to lennart, he probably had no choice
14:07 matey; what he did to gnu/linux probably violated like a million windows patents
14:07 matey; it was join them or get beaten by them
14:08 TR News; 'bashing' Microsoft is like rape because... oh, never mind http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/another-theranos-moment/
14:08 TR Bot; Microsoft, EPO Awards, and Sexual Abuse (Theranos All Over Again) | Techrights
14:08 matey; what he did to gnu/linux probably violated like a million windows patents <- including their patents on writing software that is actually itself a douchebag
14:08 matey; because lennart may be one, but systemd makes two
14:09 schestowitz[TR2]; systemd itself is patented
14:09 schestowitz[TR2]; software patents
14:09 matey; systemd-clippyd
14:09 matey; hi, it looks like youre trying to shut down the computer. can i help?
14:09 matey; the reason systemd sometimes refuses to shut down is a placeholder for when clippy shows up
14:10 TR News; If you don't love criminal corporations (or work for one), that makes you a criminal? Projection much, Mr. Perkins?
14:10 matey; [x] do you have open files?
14:10 matey; [x] do you have open applications?
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; that's syetems-shutdownd
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; where you might wait half an hour to reboot
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; because... who the heck knows why
14:10 matey; [x] are you trying to escape systemd-mandatoryupdated ?
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; report a bug
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; open a Microsoft account
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; and comply with CoC
14:11 schestowitz[TR2]; systemd-hugd
14:11 matey; reporting bugs in microsoft products violates the coc
14:11 matey; as a result, microsoft products have no bugs
14:11 schestowitz[TR2]; obviously a referece to fsck
14:11 schestowitz[TR2]; intel paid people salaries to put the word "hug" in Linux comments
14:11 schestowitz[TR2]; such a aMASSIVE contribution
14:11 schestowitz[TR2]; many hundreds of lines oif "code"
14:11 schestowitz[TR2]; like sagew code, full of bugs (usb)
14:12 schestowitz[TR2]; *sage (sharp)
14:12 matey; intel paid people salaries to put the word "hug" in Linux comments <- they can definitely go hug themselves
14:12 matey; they can hug off up a tree while theyre at it
14:12 schestowitz[TR2]; in github youm cannot suggest micreosoft does something bad:
14:13 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2021/11/22/microsofts-github-is-hugely-toxic-and-it-censors-critics-of-corporations-or-people-sceptical-of-those-in-power/
14:13 schestowitz[TR2]; suspended
14:13 TR Bot; Microsofts GitHub is Hugely Toxic and It Censors Critics of Corporations or People Sceptical of Those in Power | Techrights
14:13 schestowitz[TR2]; for saying Microsoft is not nice to Linus
14:13 schestowitz[TR2]; STALIN.io
14:13 schestowitz[TR2]; *Linux
14:13 matey; stalinux
14:13 schestowitz[TR2]; STALIN.github.io
14:14 matey; or if its running systemd, pgnutin/stalinux
14:14 TR News; Now they're making it NORMAL to NOT properly test vaccines, just rush them to market to bail out failing corporations with loads of patents https://www.democracynow.org/2022/8/2/monkeypox_public_health_emergency_vaccine_new | Source: Democracy Now
14:14 TR Bot; The Viral Underclass: Steven Thrasher on Monkeypox, Biden Failures & How Class Impacts Viral Spread | Democracy Now!
14:14 matey; unlike the g in gnu, the gn in pgnutin is silent
14:15 matey; it was forced into silence by 3000 bodies signing a pettytion
14:15 matey; phanes: "pettytion"
14:15 matey; youre welcome
14:15 matey; /me had some help from one of roys typos
14:16 ulf; sh***... arm-tcc assembler cannot digest the ASM contained within musl-libc
14:16 Ariadne; malware being spread and microsoft github does nothing to deal with it https://twitter.com/stephenlacy/status/1554697077430505473
14:16 TR Bot; I am uncovering what seems to be a massive widespread malware attack on @github. - Currently over 35k repositories https://t.co/rUKIIULV4V
14:16 TR Bot; I am uncovering what seems to be a massive widespread malware attack on @github. - Currently over 35k repositories https://t.co/rUKIIULV4V
14:16 matey; malware being spread and microsoft github does nothing to deal with it https://github.com/systemd/systemd
14:16 TR Bot; - systemd/systemd: The systemd System and Service Manager
14:16 TR News; 2020-2022: Plutocratic regimes bailing out BILLIONAIRE corporations (real money, borrowing from taxpayers) while giving not a dime to the homeless, just prepaid (also at expense of taxpayers) jobs and boosters (overpriced by a factor of 100 due to patents that enrich these aforementioned corporations)
14:17 matey; tbh i might side with them NOT doing anything though
14:17 matey; if you look at the history of microsofts efforts to curb malware
14:17 matey; regime change starts at home, and its not even a twinkle in their eye
14:17 schestowitz[TR2]; Ariadne: github is argulably malware too
14:18 matey; github is argulably malware too <- this
14:18 matey; worse than windows
14:18 matey; if thats possible
14:18 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/microsoft-github-is-censorship/\
14:18 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/microsoft-github-is-censorship/\ )
14:18 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/microsoft-github-is-censorship/
14:18 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub the King of DMCA Censorship (Removing Free Software) | Techrights
14:18 schestowitz[TR2]; github [n.]: widely spreasd malware that infects and destroys (kills) legit software projects
14:19 matey; putin: id like to invade a country purely for profit, and i dont give two shits what the world thinks about it
14:19 schestowitz[TR2]; no ransomware
14:19 schestowitz[TR2]; it just deletes all your files
14:19 matey; usa: youre infringing on our war patents
14:19 schestowitz[TR2]; very vicious malware
14:19 schestowitz[TR2]; doesn't want money
14:19 schestowitz[TR2]; only wants you dead
14:19 matey; putin: i have prior art
14:19 matey; usa: no you dont, we have iraq and vietnam
14:20 schestowitz[TR2]; that's both racist
14:20 schestowitz[TR2]; and grape statistics... nice grapes
14:20 matey; /me is racist against red wine
14:20 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> and grape statistics... nice grapes <- youre a grape apologist
14:21 TR News; "In July, the Putin administration distributed two new messaging guides to Russia's pro-government media outlets and politicians." https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/08/02/compassion-tolerance-and-love-for-others | Source: Meduza
14:21 TR Bot; NO TITLE
14:22 matey; i would say i think some marathons are more important than others
14:22 matey; but THATS racist
14:23 TR News; "akin to Windows malware" https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/08/no-socks-no-shoes-no-malware-proxy-services/ | Source: Krebs On Security
14:23 TR Bot; No SOCKS, No Shoes, No Malware Proxy Services! Krebs on Security
14:24 TR News; Many articles about security conspicuously leave out mentions of "Microsoft" and Windows" This is intentional. CISA is the same, covering up for the back doors company.
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14:32 TR News; Bright House https://torrentfreak.com/music-companies-and-isp-settle-piracy-lawsuit-one-day-before-trial-220802/ | Source: Torrent Freak
14:32 TR Bot; Record Labels and ISP Settle Piracy Lawsuit One Day Before Trial * TorrentFreak
14:34 TR News; Nintendo uses Microsoft (Github) to attack Free software that Nintendo doesn't like. Microsoft hates Free software, so you can guess the outcome. https://torrentfreak.com/why-nintendo-uses-the-dmca-to-take-down-piracy-enabling-sigpatches-220802/ see http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/microsoft-github-is-censorship/
14:34 TR Bot; Nintendo Uses the DMCA to Take Down Piracy-Enabling SigPatches * TorrentFreak
14:34 matey; "If you get through all of that, there will just be more vulnerabilities next month. Theyre endless."
14:34 matey; "attack surface"
14:35 TR News; GitHub is NOT "free hosting", it's a business risk or a risk to one's project. Wait till the MAFIAA targets curl for enabling "piracy" http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/github-network-effect-curl/
14:35 TR Bot; Microsoft: Stay in Our Proprietary Prison (GitHub) and Attract Other People to This Prison, Well Give You Gifts | Techrights
14:35 matey; i was surprised roy said "fuckery" but then i was like "oh right, guest article"
14:35 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: surface is a Microsoft trademark
14:35 schestowitz[TR2]; don't attack their trademarks
14:37 TR News; Elizabeth Holmes https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/03/the-hollow-promise-of-small-modular-nuclear-reactors/ | http://techrights.org/2018/05/04/theranos-epo-fraud/
14:37 TR Bot; Hollow Promise of Small Modular Nuclear Reactors - CounterPunch.org
14:37 TR Bot; Elizabeth Holmes Charged With Massive Fraud and Team Battistelli Rushes to Distance Itself From Her | Techrights
14:38 matey; they can hug themselves with their trademarks
14:38 matey; ""When you want to maximize profits, its always easier to dump something in the customers lap that only barely works and to actually take care of it as little as you can get by with. "
14:38 matey; they can hug their mothers too
14:39 matey; "Thats been the way Microsoft and Intel have gotten things done for decades, and its not getting any better."
14:39 matey; "Pretty much the only programmers that try to defend the notion proprietary software and slander FOSS are the ones cashing paychecks building proprietary software that does unethical things to the users."
14:40 schestowitz[TR2]; usualyl true
14:40 schestowitz[TR2]; otherwise they get sakced
14:41 schestowitz[TR2]; their bosses don't care for FS
14:41 schestowitz[TR2]; they use very nastry things
14:41 schestowitz[TR2]; not just proprietary
14:41 schestowitz[TR2]; but spytech
14:41 TR News; "Then terrorism became the fixation, the magic slate that allows everything else to be erased." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/03/oligarchs-unite-now/ | Source: Counter Punch
14:42 TR Bot; Unite Now! - CounterPunch.org
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14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
15:02 TR News; "Yikes." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/fifth-circuit-this-badge-wearing-serial-sexual-assaulter-is-beyond-even-our-expansive-definition-of-qualified-immunity/ | Source: Techdirt
15:02 TR Bot; Circuit: This Badge Wearing Serial Sexual Assaulter Is Beyond Even Our Expansive Definition Of Qualified Immunity | Techdirt
15:03 TR News; AICOA https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/without-the-votes-to-pass-antitrust-bill-gets-delayed/ | Source: Techdirt
15:03 TR Bot; The Votes To Pass, Antitrust Bill Gets Delayed | Techdirt
15:03 TR News; Raspberry Pi https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/using-e-textiles-to-deliver-equitable-computing-lessons-and-broaden-participation/
15:03 TR Bot; Using e-textiles to deliver equitable computing lessons and broaden participation - Raspberry Pi
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15:11 matey; #techrights : 08/03/22 13:34 <matey> "If you get through all of that, there will just be more vulnerabilities next month. Theyre endless."
15:11 matey; "attack surface"
15:11 matey; #techrights : 08/03/22 13:34 <matey> "attack surface"
15:11 matey; uefi
15:12 matey; which is something you slip a computer to make it easier to violate
15:12 matey; "its no good, intel slipped it a yoofie"
15:13 matey; "did you put a yoofie in my firmware while i was using the toilet?"
15:13 matey; "no"
15:13 matey; "why is the boot process being all weird then?"
15:13 britney; i think you mean roofie
15:13 britney; https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=roofie
15:13 TR Bot; Urban Dictionary: roofie
15:14 matey; no, its not rufi
15:14 matey; its uefi
15:20 matey; bradley kuhn of course doesnt call it that
15:20 matey; he calls it a "problematic surface"
15:21 matey; then he watches george carlin but instead of getting the jokes, he just counts the things carlin does wrong
15:22 britney; carlin is awesome
15:22 matey; yes
15:22 matey; technically, was
15:23 britney; hes pronouns are now was/were
15:23 matey; :D
15:23 matey; he identifies as a corpse
15:24 britney; signed, the corpse in this room
15:30 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Sc6-1F50LDs
15:30 TR Bot; Just a Body - Invidious
15:34 matey; thats king of france
15:34 matey; not to be confused with kingoffrance, who used to chat here
15:36 britney; i am the queen of france
15:36 matey; not the lizard queen then
15:36 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vUG-wzYxHVI
15:36 TR Bot; I Am The Lizard Queen! (The Simpsons) - Invidious
15:40 matey; the simpsons scene is a reference to jim morrison saying hes the lizard king
15:40 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=grZQNaAyFDo
15:40 TR Bot; Why Is Jim Morrison THE LIZARD KING? - Invidious
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15:45 matey; britney: fun fact about maple trees
15:45 matey; most trees move their sap up and down based on cold and warm temperatures
15:46 matey; maples do too, but they do it backwards (up when other trees are down, down when other trees are up)
15:46 matey; this is related to when they can be tapped
15:46 matey; but the reason theyre backwards is theyre gassy
15:46 matey; this changes the way the sap moves
15:47 matey; /me thinks its probably the poutine
15:47 matey; this is what im going to be thinking about when i see the canadian flag
15:49 matey; the real thing lincoln was worried about was that the northern states would be annexed by canada, while the southern ones would be annexed by mexico
15:50 matey; but he was worried for nothing-- that didnt happen until clinton was in office
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15:53 britney; what are you talking aboot?
15:54 britney; Canada isn't annexing part of the United States
15:54 psydruid; that's correct
15:54 psydruid; those parts have already been annexed
15:55 matey; the good news is they missed alaska
15:55 matey; that can still be the former usas secret weapon
15:55 britney; HAARP?
15:56 britney; its a weather control weapon
15:56 matey; haarp is interesting
15:56 matey; i think its my favourite theory, after aliens
15:59 britney; matey, https://i.imgur.com/ylWKfm1.png
16:01 matey; ive seen that one
16:01 britney; its from a super rare conspiracy newspaper
16:03 britney; the aliens are neanderthals and they don't come from above, they come from below
16:05 britney; moho discontinuity!
16:05 britney; the fans go mad
16:05 XRevan86; britney: And here I thought there were in Eurasia.
16:06 britney; They could be there, but they would be in the moho discontinuity
16:08 britney; which is deep underground
16:09 britney; https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Subduction-en.svg
16:09 matey; https://i.ibb.co/34FYmjy/notsayingitsaliens.png
16:10 britney; matey, lol
16:11 britney; that belongs on the techrights website
16:12 phanes; you guys are the ruminati about systemd lol
16:12 britney; Lennart is a space alien!
16:12 britney; I actually like systemd
16:12 phanes; ruminating always, chewing the cud of systemd hate
16:12 phanes; i do too
16:12 phanes; well kinda
16:12 matey; i mean
16:13 phanes; i think alot of features need ripped out
16:13 britney; im not in this for systemd hate
16:13 matey; i spent half a decade trying to get away from that shit
16:13 matey; finally jettisoned gnu/linux
16:13 matey; i had better shit to do
16:13 britney; matey, yo dawg, i heard openbsd was gonna adopt launchd from mac
16:13 phanes; yeah in enterprise you can either learn systemd or open a hot dog stand in the parking lot to subsist on when they fire you for incompetence
16:13 matey; and the devs are the biggest cunts on "this side" of the industry
16:13 matey; because theyre not on this side
16:14 ulf; GNU software is anti-competitive
16:14 matey; or open a hot dog stand <- fuck industry, systemd is made of the same stuff hot dogs are
16:14 ulf; #if _GNU_SOURCE #elif _POSIX_SOURCE #elif _XOPEN_SOURCE #elif _BSD_SOURCE
16:14 britney; hey ulf
16:14 phanes; matey, not really, it's objective better in two key areas than sysv was
16:14 phanes; *objectively
16:14 matey; thats microsoft sysv
16:15 matey; or it is now
16:15 britney; <ulf> GNU software is anti-competitive <-- what do you mean?
16:15 ulf; britney: they're all sabotaging each other with incompatible changes, all of them, including GNU/FSF
16:16 matey; the need for systemd has been debunked up down and sideways
16:16 phanes; im sure it has nothing to do with huge corporations paying developers to contribute to look like they're open source friendly and community involved while sabotaging just well enough to force standardization changes
16:16 matey; industry can like whatever shit they like-- they liked windows
16:16 matey; im sure it has nothing to do with huge corporations paying developers to contribute to look like they're open source friendly and community involved while sabotaging just well enough to force standardization changes <- im sure it has everything to do with that
16:17 phanes; matey, these are all trojan horses modeling after secureboot
16:17 matey; heh
16:17 phanes; mjg59_, wouldn't you agree?
16:17 matey; suckyour boot
16:17 phanes; or does your NDA preclude you from answering
16:18 phanes; oh he's not here somebody must've flushed the toilet
16:18 matey; they should call it licureboot
16:18 matey; can i licureboot, microsoft?
16:18 britney; ulf, GNU/FSF evil?
16:19 phanes; honestly an open source bios firmware effort that was actually better than what comes on mfg boards would fix alot of the problem there
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16:19 phanes; it can't be another tomato though
16:29 ulf; britney: what else?
16:30 ulf; they're not any better or different than all the others: *bsd, micros~1, whoever
16:30 ulf; all of it, anti-competitive sabotage
16:42 britney; can you give examples of anti-competitive sabotage?
16:44 phanes; major distro github repos being compromised in series starting immediately after the acquisition of github comes to mind
16:48 ulf; britney: try to compile any GNU/Linux distro you wish, with tinycc compiler, for example
16:52 ulf; bashism, another one
16:52 ulf; or this one #if _GNU_SOURCE #elif _POSIX_SOURCE #elif _XOPEN_SOURCE #elif _BSD_SOURCE
16:52 ulf; besides, it was RMS himself who introduced the term POSIX
16:53 ulf; britney: the fact you ask for example already shows you probably had never coped with "free software" as a developer
16:56 TR News; Globalization https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/03/globalization-greed-and-reality/ | Source: Counter Punch
16:56 TR Bot; Greed and Reality - CounterPunch.org
16:58 TR News; "In our drawers, theres gonna be quite a few old devices that weve forgotten about, and perhaps we ought to make them work for us instead." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/02/revive-your-old-e-ink-tablet-for-timetable-helper-duty/ | Source: Hackaday
16:58 TR Bot; Your Old E-Ink Tablet For Timetable Helper Duty | Hackaday
16:59 TR News; Elite Lapdogs https://www.projectcensored.org/elite-lapdogs-always-welcome-in-the-corporate-media/ | Source: Project Censored
16:59 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/elite-lapdogs-always-welcome-in-the-corporate-media/ )
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
16:59 ulf; some minutes ago, tinycc assembler freaked out over some unsupported ASM syntax... and i do not see tinycc at fault with this
17:00 ulf; and i mean, they're constantly knee-jerking themselves nowadays, because the entire "free software" and proprietary one alike collapses
17:00 ulf; this anti-competitive sabotage "made in usa", they wrecked almost everything with it
17:01 ulf; that's the reason why, i couldn't read developer.arm.com web site with w3m or links or lynx
17:01 TR News; "Whether youre trying to block websites to protect children from seeing inappropriate videos or minimize distractions, weve got you covered" https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/block-websites-any-device/ | Source: PIA
17:01 TR Bot; How to Block Websites on iPhone (& Any Device)
17:02 ulf; obviously, nothing a terrorist would do; yet they say, in usa, everything had to be clusterfucked for the "five eyes", patriots they are
17:02 ulf; there's no illegal pornography involved either, which they like to smear onto as argument
17:03 ulf; to protect children or whatever
17:04 ulf; if this doesn't suffice, it's a racist thing to do, navigating documentation with w3m
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17:05 TR News; GAFAM versus women https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/02/how-big-tech-undermining-abortion-rights | Source: Common Dreams
17:05 TR Bot; Opinion | How Big Tech Is Undermining Abortion Rights | Noel Hutton
17:06 TR News; "A coalition of watchdog organizations on Tuesday urged Democratic congressional leaders to "expeditiously" bring a ban on lawmaker stock trading up for a vote" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/02/cannot-wait-groups-warn-democrats-not-let-stock-trading-ban-die | Source: Common Dreams
17:06 TR Bot; 'This Cannot Wait': Groups Warn Democrats Not to Let Stock Trading Ban Die
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17:19 britney; ulf, do you use a text based ui?
17:23 TR News; Worst Coronavirus July on Record and Over 200,000 Dead in Latest Weekly Report https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/03/the-weekly-covid-19-data/
17:23 TR Bot; Blog Archive Worst Coronavirus July on Record and Over 200,000 Dead in Latest Weekly Report
17:26 TR News; Microsoft Pelosi (investing, for profit, in Microsoft crime) https://truthout.org/articles/22-government-watchdogs-ask-pelosi-and-schumer-to-act-on-congressional-stock-ban/ | Source: TruthOut
17:26 TR Bot; 22 Government Watchdogs Ask Pelosi and Schumer to Act on Congressional Stock Ban
17:27 TR News; Buying the government https://truthout.org/articles/report-lobbyists-raked-in-record-2-billion-in-first-6-months-of-2022/ | Source: TruthOut
17:27 TR Bot; Report: Lobbyists Raked in Record $2 Billion in First 6 Months of 2022
17:28 ulf; britney: hey?
17:28 TR News; Pro Publica moaning about financial raiders while pocketing bribes from Famous Criminal Bill Gates (and of course never naming his crimes) https://www.propublica.org/article/what-is-private-equity
17:28 TR Bot; What Is a Private Equity Firm? ProPublica
17:29 TR News; Pro Publica talking about "justice" while pocketing bribes from Bill Gates, a famous criminal who worked with Jeffrey Epstein very closely https://www.propublica.org/getinvolved/public-defenders-and-defense-attorneys-help-propublica-report-on-criminal-justice
17:29 TR Bot; Public Defenders and Defense Attorneys: Help ProPublica Report on Criminal Justice ProPublica
17:30 TR News; But ProPublica, Bill Gates pretends to be a charity while bribing you to focus on other things. You're culpable and part of the problem now. https://www.propublica.org/article/a-right-wing-think-tank-claimed-to-be-a-church-now-members-of-congress-want-to-investigate
17:30 TR Bot; A Right-Wing Think Tank Claimed to Be a Church. Now, Members of Congress Want to Investigate. ProPublica
17:30 TR News; "Shadowproof was launched seven years ago. With many crises facing our world, we are proud to still be publishing independent journalism." https://shadowproof.com/2022/08/02/shadowproofs-seventh-birthday-looking-back-on-another-year/ | Source: Shadowproof
17:30 TR Bot; Seventh Birthday: Looking Back On Another Year - Shadowproof
17:33 TR News; "Governments love targeting Twitter for user data requests" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/twitter-reports-spike-in-government-data-requests-including-double-the-amount-targeting-journalists/ | Source: Techdirt
17:33 TR Bot; Reports Spike In Government Data Requests, Including Double The Amount Targeting Journalists | Techdirt
17:33 TR News; FTC https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/if-oculus-were-separate-from-meta-would-the-ftc-still-block-its-latest-acquisition/ | Source: Techdirt
17:34 TR Bot; Oculus Were Separate From Meta, Would The FTC Still Block Its Latest Acquisition? | Techdirt
17:34 TR News; "At some point U.S. regulators effectively declared that it was okay to rip off consumers with a dizzying array of bogus fees" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/att-gets-yet-another-pathetic-wrist-slap-after-making-millions-from-shitty-fees/ | Source: Techdirt
17:34 TR Bot; Gets Yet Another Pathetic Wrist Slap After Making Millions From Shitty Fees | Techdirt
17:35 TR News; "There are two ways to deal with improving ham radio receivers" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/02/ham-radio-hacking-thinking-inside-the-box/ | Source: Hackaday
17:35 TR Bot; Radio Hacking: Thinking Inside The Box | Hackaday
17:36 TR News; "Its an election year, and like clockwork, legislators around the country want to show they care about protecting kids online." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/is-the-california-legislature-addicted-to-performative-election-year-stunts-that-threaten-the-internet/ | Source: Techdirt
17:36 TR Bot; the California Legislature Addicted to Performative Election-Year Stunts That Threaten the Internet? | Techdirt
17:37 TR News; "Bokeh is a photography term thats a bit difficult to define but is basically soft, aesthetically pleasing background blur" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/02/ultimate-bokeh-with-a-projector-lens/ | Source: Hackaday
17:37 TR Bot; Bokeh With A Projector Lens | Hackaday
17:37 TR News; "Is it too much to ask that politicians try to live in reality?" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/uks-likely-next-prime-minister-wants-a-pony-a-magic-internet-where-no-one-ever-says-any-bad-things/ | Source: Techdirt
17:37 TR Bot; Likely Next Prime Minister Wants A Pony: A Magic Internet Where No One Ever Says Any Bad Things | Techdirt
17:38 TR News; The Biggest Linux Security Mistakes - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QxNsyrftJ8I | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/QxNsyrftJ8I
17:38 TR Bot; The Biggest Linux Security Mistakes - Invidious
17:39 TR News; Security updates for Wednesday [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/903676/ Source: LWN | Kernel | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/903676/
17:39 TR Bot; updates for Wednesday [LWN.net]
17:39 TR News; Linux Today links to spammy self-promotional FUD :/ https://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/linux-malware-surges-surpassing-android/
17:39 TR Bot; New Linux Malware Surges, Surpassing Android | Linux Today
17:40 TR News; Insecurity 'as a service' https://containerjournal.com/features/securing-containers-with-zero-trust-tools/
17:40 TR Bot; Securing Containers With Zero-Trust Tools - Container Journal
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17:44 phanes; coffee makes me poop
17:48 schestowitz[TR2]; okkk..
17:48 schestowitz[TR2]; comic insult dog
17:48 TR News; Security: Malware, Mistakes, Patches, and Snake-oil Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167958
17:48 TR Bot; Security: Malware, Mistakes, Patches, and Snake-oil | Tux Machines
17:51 TR News; "Linux" trademark diluted a bit more https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/aais-linux-foundation-welcome-jefferson-braswell-openidl-project-ed/
17:51 TR Bot; The American Association of Insurance Services & The Linux Foundation Welcome Jefferson Braswell as openIDL Project Executive Director - Linux Foundation
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17:51 TR News; Speek: An Open-source Anonymous Chat App Built on Tor Network Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167959
17:51 TR Bot; Speek: An Open-source Anonymous Chat App Built on Tor Network | Tux Machines
17:52 TR News; As Windows is spyware that surveys/surveils every single user of Windows, Microsoft knows best whats going on and judging by this months numbers one can guess why they resort to overt antitrust violations with UEFI killswitch while GNOME/IBM helps them (for money and favours) http://techrights.org/2022/08/03/finland-2022-share-os/
17:52 TR Bot; One Can Speculate Why Windows-Friendly OEMs Start Enforcing Windows-Only Boot on Laptops (Microsoft Blocking BSD and GNU/Linux With UEFI) | Techrights
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17:54 TR News; About 50,000 more UK COVID-19 deaths this past year. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/03/the-weekly-covid-19-data/
17:54 TR Bot; Blog Archive Worst Coronavirus July on Record and Over 200,000 Dead in Latest Weekly Report
17:55 TR News; "RAID, or Redundant Array of Independent Drives (or Disks), is a phrase for information storage techniques that partition and copy data over several hard drives. RAID could be built to improve the validity and reliability of data or I/O efficiency, albeit one purpose may damage the other." https://linuxhint.com/raid-5-vs-raid-10/
17:55 TR Bot; RAID 5 vs. RAID 10 Explained
17:56 TR News; Before Batgirl: 10 Near-Complete Movies That Never Saw Release https://tedium.co/2022/08/03/10-unreleased-completed-movies/ Source: tedium | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/08/03/10-unreleased-completed-movies/
17:56 TR Bot; Before Batgirl: 10 Near-Complete Movies That Never Saw Release
18:05 TR News; [git pull] drm for 5.20/6.0 - Dave Airlie https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAPM=9twFEv8AcRQG-WXg5owy_Xhxy3DqnvVCFHgtd4TYCcKWEQ@mail.gmail.com/ Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAPM=9twFEv8AcRQG-WXg5owy_Xhxy3DqnvVCFHgtd4TYCcKWEQ@mail.gmail.com/
18:05 TR Bot; [git pull] drm for 5.20/6.0 - Dave Airlie
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18:05 TR News; [GIT PULL] HID for 5.20 - Jiri Kosina https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/nycvar.YFH.7.76.2208022133430.19850@cbobk.fhfr.pm/ Source: cbobk | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/nycvar.YFH.7.76.2208022133430.19850@cbobk.fhfr.pm/
18:05 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] HID for 5.20 - Jiri Kosina
18:06 TR News; [GIT PULL] Networking for 6.0 - Paolo Abeni https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220803101438.24327-1-pabeni@redhat.com/ Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220803101438.24327-1-pabeni@redhat.com/
18:06 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] Networking for 6.0 - Paolo Abeni
18:07 TR News; Drone Contraband Deliveries Are Rampant at US Prisons | WIRED UK https://www.wired.co.uk/article/drone-contraband-deliveries-prisons-united-states Source: wired | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.wired.co.uk/article/drone-contraband-deliveries-prisons-united-states
18:07 TR Bot; Drone Contraband Deliveries Are Rampant at US Prisons | WIRED UK
18:08 TR News; New committer in freebsd: Felix Palmen (ports) https://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash/#2022-08-01:1
18:08 TR Bot; FreeBSD News Flash | The FreeBSD Project
18:08 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167960
18:08 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
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18:17 matey; fucking mouse
18:18 matey; dont know if keyboard can compete with it for pure evil
18:18 TR News; Fake security with proprietary junk https://www.dignited.com/98061/authy-two-factor-authentication/ misfiled as "linux"
18:18 TR Bot; Authy: A Review of the Best Two-Factor Authentication App (+Alternatives)
18:20 TR News; Add custom windows to GDB: Programming the TUI in Python | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/03/add-custom-windows-gdb-programming-tui-python Source: ICBM
18:20 TR Bot; Add custom windows to GDB: Programming the TUI in Python | Red Hat Developer
18:20 schestowitz[TR2]; 1980s: here a mouse
18:20 schestowitz[TR2]; I think the famous demo predates the 1980s
18:21 schestowitz[TR2]; 2022: here, a mouse
18:21 schestowitz[TR2]; Apple: we innovated a mouse
18:21 schestowitz[TR2]; fewer buttons!!
18:21 matey; britney |matey, yo dawg, i heard openbsd was gonna adopt launchd from mac <- i dont think thats what happened / will happpen
18:22 TR News; Apple motto: less is more, except for prices ;-)
18:22 britney; matey, i was trying to get a rise out of you
18:22 matey; thats funny
18:22 matey; but their rc.d is like a masterclass in not fucking with things
18:23 britney; it limits the attack surface
18:23 matey; hehehehehehe
18:23 TR News; "A couple of weeks ago I was inspired by an old LTT video to try to make my own portable Bluetooth speaker. They used some 2 full-range Dayton Audio drivers and 1 tweeters along with an inexpensive Bluetooth amplifier module." https://www.the-diy-life.com/3d-printed-bluetooth-transmission-line-speaker/
18:23 TR Bot; 3D Printed Bluetooth Transmission Line Speaker - The DIY Life
18:23 matey; im glad youve been here since roy figured out how to register a dns
18:23 britney; attack surface
18:24 matey; it implies youre going to be here a while
18:24 britney; roy figured something out?
18:24 matey; or at least that youll be back
18:24 matey; <britney> roy figured something out? <- probably. maybe someone else did it
18:24 TR News; Peppermint 08-02-2022 is out, but the site does not bear an official page yet https://peppermintos.com/2022/02/peppermint-release-notes/
18:24 TR Bot; Peppermint Release Notes Peppermint OS
18:24 matey; youre sassy today
18:24 britney; last i heard he was still working on that agate gemini server
18:25 britney; i got the shavit one, its written in Golang
18:25 matey; "i use shavit btw"
18:26 TR News; "Most of OBS's users run Windows. But it is a feature that's growing to be more and more relevant in that Linux lacks HDR support entirely as inexpensive HDR monitors proliferate." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1338452-obs-studio-28-beta-1-brings-10-bit-hdr-video-encoding-qt6-toolkit
18:26 TR Bot; Studio 28 Beta 1 Brings 10-bit & HDR Video Encoding, Qt6 Toolkit - Phoronix Forums
18:26 TR News; "And X.org on Phoronix has been pronounced dead and an enemy of the bright Linux future countless times already" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1338452-obs-studio-28-beta-1-brings-10-bit-hdr-video-encoding-qt6-toolkit
18:27 matey; ive used text-to-speech engines enough to know that "btw" is a french-sounded word, pronounved "bitwoouh"
18:27 schestowitz[TR2]; britney: no, we use https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/x86/gmni
18:27 TR Bot; Alpine Linux packages
18:27 schestowitz[TR2]; sorry, wrong page
18:27 britney; i use shavit btw
18:28 schestowitz[TR2]; https://git.sr.ht/~int80h/gemserv
18:28 TR Bot; ~int80h/gemserv - sourcehut git
18:28 schestowitz[TR2]; i btw shavit use
18:28 britney; i guess you couldn't use agate?
18:29 matey; /me wants a cpu instruction set called btw instead of arm, x86 etc
18:29 TR News; "This is a brief summary of bugs fixed between Ubuntu 22.04 and 22.04.1." New LTS out soon https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-point-release-changes/29835
18:29 TR Bot; Jammy Jellyfish Point-Release Changes - Release - Ubuntu Community Hub
18:29 matey; then i can say "i use btw arch"
18:29 schestowitz[TR2]; britney: techrights uses agate
18:29 schestowitz[TR2]; agate does only static pages
18:30 schestowitz[TR2]; it's also rust :/
18:30 schestowitz[TR2]; and also shithub
18:30 schestowitz[TR2]; both rust and agate
18:30 britney; your new one is rust too
18:30 matey; and this is why i dont have a gemini server yet
18:30 matey; because there is one
18:30 schestowitz[TR2]; no, it's C
18:30 matey; but it was a pain to configure, because it hooks into blah blah blah
18:30 britney; schestowitz[TR2], it literally says its rust
18:31 britney; # Gemserv
18:31 britney; A gemini server written in rust.
18:31 schestowitz[TR2]; and the codert made his own laaanguage
18:31 schestowitz[TR2]; hare
18:31 *schestowitz[TR2] restarts barrier
18:31 britney; the gemini server i use is written in go so its better
18:32 matey; go is probably better than rust
18:32 schestowitz[TR2]; ok, now it's more reponsib
18:32 schestowitz[TR2]; emy guess is, barrier is relegated to swap
18:32 matey; but c/srht beats go/github
18:33 schestowitz[TR2]; and then there is this lag which results in hanging input passage
18:33 britney; shavit isn't hosted on shithub either
18:34 matey; https://git.sr.ht/~yotam/shavit
18:34 TR Bot; ~yotam/shavit - sourcehut git
18:34 matey; ~yotam <- my australian cousin
18:34 TR News; SVT-AV1 1.2 https://gitlab.com/AOMediaCodec/SVT-AV1/-/releases/v1.2.0 Intel used to use GitLAB a lot more before the Microsofters invaded the company (now operating ar a LOSS) http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
18:34 TR Bot; Alliance for Open Media / SVT-AV1 GitLab
18:34 TR Bot; Intel leaks - Techrights
18:34 britney; see lol
18:34 matey; yotam upside down is matoy
18:35 matey; obviously a distant relative
18:35 schestowitz[TR2]; that's what you say to your vietnamese mate
18:35 schestowitz[TR2]; "yo! tam!"
18:36 matey; /me imagines vietnamese women giggling
18:37 TR News; Clear Linux is dead (nobody uses it), but Phoronix still treats it like 'on par' with Ubuntu (maybe because of the Intel context in today's "Intel Core i7 1280P Windows 11 vs. Ubuntu vs. Clear Linux Performance")
18:38 schestowitz[TR2]; there must be like 10,000 or more tam nguyen
18:38 schestowitz[TR2]; but I know none
18:41 TR News; Releasing Slax 15.0 based on Slackware again after 9 years and 11.4 based on Debian Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167961
18:41 TR Bot; Releasing Slax 15.0 based on Slackware again after 9 years and 11.4 based on Debian | Tux Machines
18:43 britney; attack surface
18:43 matey; :)
18:43 TR News; xkcd: Chemtrails https://xkcd.com/2654/
18:43 TR Bot; Chemtrails
18:43 matey; i use attack surface btw
18:43 britney; i use arch btw
18:43 britney; xkcd: Chemtrails <--- real
18:44 matey; 100% genuine water vapour
18:44 britney; https://xkcd.com/966/
18:44 TR Bot; Jet Fuel
18:44 TR News; OpenMandriva Lx ROME Technical Preview Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167698#comment-34501
18:44 TR Bot; OpenMandriva Lx ROME (Rolling) Technical Preview | Tux Machines
18:46 britney; <btw> i use arch </btw>
18:47 matey; i use arch eh
18:47 britney; i switched to arch from fedora for the memes
18:47 matey; thats like converting to judaism for the jokes
18:47 britney; lol
18:47 matey; "and that offends you as a jewish person?"
18:47 matey; "NO, it offends me as a comedian!"
18:47 TR News; Adding a battery gauge to a Citron C-Zero electric car | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/03/adding-a-battery-gauge-to-a-citroen-c-zero-electric-car/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/03/adding-a-battery-gauge-to-a-citroen-c-zero-electric-car/
18:47 TR Bot; Adding a battery gauge to a Citron C-Zero electric car | Arduino Blog
18:48 TR News; New Version of Open Source Podcast Client gPodder Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167962
18:48 TR Bot; New Version of Open Source Podcast Client gPodder Released | Tux Machines
18:51 TR News; Revoy "posted a new Pepper&Carrot episode on peppercarrot website" https://www.davidrevoy.com/article920/episode-37-the-tears-of-the-phoenix
18:51 TR Bot; Episode 37: The Tears of the Phoenix - David Revoy
18:52 TR News; "We debate the lies our tool makers tell us, if Clojure has a Rails-sized hole, and the secrets of a successful software engineer." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149427/sweet-little-lies-coder-radio-477/
18:52 TR Bot; Sweet Little Lies | Coder Radio 477 | Jupiter Broadcasting
18:52 TR News; My experience at the [sadly infiltrated by Microsofter] Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE 19x) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eZcvnmmihuo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/eZcvnmmihuo
18:52 TR Bot; My experience at the Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE 19x) - Invidious
18:53 TR News; EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis Quick overview #linux #EndeavourOS - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5hss6Y5yYw8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/5hss6Y5yYw8
18:53 TR Bot; EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis Quick overview #linux #EndeavourOS - Invidious
18:53 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino, 3D Printing, EncroPi, and More Raspberry Pi Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167963
18:53 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino, 3D Printing, EncroPi, and More Raspberry Pi | Tux Machines
18:53 TR News; Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Cinnamon Overview | Sleek, modern, innovative - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vCbU2mCkXwo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/vCbU2mCkXwo
18:53 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Cinnamon Overview | Sleek, modern, innovative - Invidious
18:55 MinceR; 03 110412 < mjg59_> But it doesn't mandate them, so it's still hard to review
18:55 MinceR; mjg wants programmers to be straitjacketed
18:56 matey; its really his brand of security
18:56 MinceR; bondage-and-discipline
18:56 MinceR; "security"
18:56 MinceR; also, pascal can't handle strings over 255 characters
18:57 MinceR; at least C++ std::string allows greater lengths
18:57 matey; not even freepascal?
18:57 matey; even qbasic can outdo that :/
18:58 matey; freepascal is 32bit, maybe theres a 64, qb is 16
18:58 MinceR; dunno, the last pascal i used was borland pascal
18:59 MinceR; and it used 1 byte at the start of the string to store length
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
18:59 MinceR; did standard pascal even _have_ strings?
19:02 matey; freepascal has a backwards compatible shortstring type
19:02 matey; it also has 3 other stringtypes
19:02 matey; AnsiString has a variable length that is limited only by the value of High(SizeInt) (which is platfom dependant) and available memory. It is a reference counted type.
19:02 matey; so youll be okay with freepascal, except you still have to write in pascal :/
19:03 MinceR; does freepascal still treat the standard library as special?
19:03 MinceR; i.e. only it can have functions with a variable number of arguments
19:03 matey; granted his moves the goalpost a bit given what i said about pascal earlier
19:03 MinceR; also, freepascal is still a bondage-and-discipline language
19:03 matey; i dont know, i just looked this up
19:03 matey; i compiled hello world in fp once
19:03 TR News; Sean Michael Kerner is doing stenography (corporate spam basically) for his new employer. :/ https://venturebeat.com/2022/08/03/truera-joins-intel-disruptor-program-to-advance-ai-model-quality/
19:03 TR Bot; joins Intel Disruptor program to advance AI model quality | VentureBeat
19:04 matey; then i got bored and left it
19:04 matey; well to be fair, so is pascal
19:04 matey; its just light bondage
19:05 TR News; Puff pieces as a service = PPaaS
19:06 TR News; Neowin still a Linux-hostile Microsoft shilling site. New name, Usama Jawad, promotes Microsoft ATTACK on GNU/Linux today.
19:06 TR News; Fedora 37 Default Wallpaper Looks Refreshing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167964
19:06 TR Bot; Fedora 37 Default Wallpaper Looks Refreshing | Tux Machines
19:07 TR News; Best Linux Distributions for an Old Laptop in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167965
19:07 TR Bot; Best Linux Distributions for an Old Laptop in 2022 | Tux Machines
19:09 AdmFubar; and brightly colored puff pieces toohttps://www.paaseastereggs.com/
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19:12 TR News; Videos: Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Cinnamon, EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis, SCaLE 19x, and Coder Radio Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167966
19:12 TR Bot; Videos: Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Cinnamon, EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis, SCaLE 19x, and Coder Radio | Tux Machines
19:13 schestowitz[TR2]; AdmFubar: puffy stuff
19:13 schestowitz[TR2]; how many pieces per pack?
19:13 schestowitz[TR2]; "6 puff pieces for $1000"
19:13 schestowitz[TR2]; "you name the topic"
19:13 schestowitz[TR2]; "we'll assign a fake journalist"
19:14 ulf; journalists, it's not a recognized profession
19:15 ulf; journalistic standard, name a source, cite nonsense to proof nonsense
19:21 schestowitz[TR2]; uf would love udo
19:22 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/conspiracy-of-silence-for-microsoft/
19:22 TR Bot; Conspiracy of Silence: The Corporate Media Does Not Speak About Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot | Techrights
19:22 schestowitz[TR2]; oops, wrong url
19:23 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2021/04/15/bundestagate-part-19/
19:23 TR Bot; EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag Part 19: The Deafening Silence of the Media | Techrights
19:23 schestowitz[TR2]; r Udo Ulfkotte.
19:34 ulf; anyway, the software-quality is that bad, i wanted to dispose it entirely
19:35 ulf; GNU, BSD, micros~1; as far as micros~1 was concerned, the only relevant difference for a developer is their sources or closed
19:36 ulf; i already do reject all "web browsers", it's not a huge step to turn off computer entirely
19:36 ulf; i mean, it's almost the best anyone interested in "computer science" could do, avoiding any computer
19:37 ulf; and grab a math book instead
19:38 ulf; certainly, i can proceed with tinycc integration, yet even then it's unacceptable
19:38 ulf; quality is that bad, it's not worth any discussion anymore
19:39 TR News; Links 03/08/2022: Release of Slax 15.0 and Fedora 37′s Default Wallpaper | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/03/release-of-slax-15-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/03/release-of-slax-15-0/
19:39 TR Bot; Links 03/08/2022: Release of Slax 15.0 and Fedora 37s Default Wallpaper | Techrights
19:40 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167967
19:40 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
19:48 britney; tinycc has a lower attack surface
19:51 MinceR; apparently it also doesn't generate debug information, but who needs that?
19:56 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/policy/cloud-enterprise-privacy
19:56 TR Bot; bills treatment of cloud companies evolved quickly - Protocol
19:57 ulf; MinceR: i didn't test debugging yet; did you?
19:58 ulf; it's futile to discuss too, because it's blocked at gdb-7.12
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19:59 britney; part of the conspiracy
20:01 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/fintech/crypto-crash-ransomware
20:01 TR Bot; decline: Crypto prices are a factor - Protocol
20:02 TR News; Two Microsoft front groups converge, LF and OSI https://blog.opensource.org/the-five-stages-of-the-open-source-program-office/
20:02 TR Bot; The five stages of the Open Source Program Office - Voices of Open Source
20:03 britney; i wonder if the reptilians listen to snake jazz
20:03 TR News; The LF and OSI nowadays exist for openwashing of proprietary software, i.e. to not actually change anything except buzzwords and perception.
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20:07 MinceR; ulf: tinycc is not as important to me as it is to you
20:10 XRevan86; MinceR: How'd ye rate its importance to you?
20:10 MinceR; \_()_/
20:10 XRevan86; Considering that there are other small maintained C compilers out there.
20:11 MinceR; maybe it could be useful combined with lisp/c or c-mera
20:11 ulf; MinceR: why are you distracting?
20:11 TR News; "Nearly 75% of all mobile phones run Android, based on the Linux kernel, and most servers that host websites and other content run on Linux. There are also several Linux distributions that individuals and organizations use to get their work done every day." https://www.unixmen.com/the-best-linux-commands-every-user-should-know-clear-and-simple-documentation/
20:11 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/the-best-linux-commands-every-user-should-know-clear-and-simple-documentation/ )
20:12 ulf; it's a C90/99/11 compliant compiler, see for yourself how far you'll get with "Free Software" then
20:12 ulf; if you said standards compliance and quality aren't important, that's another statement
20:12 AdmFubar; If Stephen King is scared by it.. it must be bad! https://www.rawstory.com/novelist-stephen-king-star-witness-in-anti-trust-trial/
20:12 MinceR; ulf: who made you the moderator?
20:12 TR Bot; Novelist Stephen King star witness in anti-trust trial - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism
20:13 ulf; MinceR: moderator? why?
20:13 ulf; if you want to say software-quality isn't important, standards compliance isn't important, fine, say so.
20:14 TR News; Stable Kernels: 5.18.16, 5.15.59, 5.10.135, and 5.4.209 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167968
20:14 TR Bot; Stable Kernels: 5.18.16, 5.15.59, 5.10.135, and 5.4.209 | Tux Machines
20:14 TR News; Slackware-Based Slax Linux Is Back After 9 Years of Hiatus Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167969
20:14 TR Bot; Slackware-Based Slax Linux Is Back After 9 Years of Hiatus | Tux Machines
20:14 TR News; NVIDIA Jetson AGX Orin 32GB production module is now available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167970
20:14 TR Bot; NVIDIA Jetson AGX Orin 32GB production module is now available | Tux Machines
20:15 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167971
20:15 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:15 MinceR; ulf: i don't code in c
20:15 TR News; The Best Linux Commands Every User Should Know (Clear and Simple Documentation) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167972
20:15 TR Bot; The Best Linux Commands Every User Should Know (Clear and Simple Documentation) | Tux Machines
20:20 ulf; MinceR: and how then could you argue what's important and what isn't?
20:27 TR News; No place for privacy in India as government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/no-place-for-privacy-in-india-as-government-withdraws-data-protection-bill/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/no-place-for-privacy-in-india-as-government-withdraws-data-protection-bill/
20:27 TR Bot; No place for privacy in India as government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill - Access Now
20:27 TR News; The Jamaica NIDS digital identification program: a cautionary tale - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/jamaica-nids-digital-id/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/jamaica-nids-digital-id/
20:27 TR Bot; The Jamaica NIDS digital identification program: a cautionary tale - Access Now
20:30 TR News; "Between 2022-07-27 and 2022-08-03 there were 28 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 284 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 9.9 % of total released titles..." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-08-03-edition/
20:30 TR Bot; New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-08-03 Edition - Boiling Steam
20:31 TR News; Fake "awards" as mere marketing/PR stunts https://www.suse.com/c/suse-rancher-wins-three-awards/
20:31 TR Bot; Rancher wins three awards from TrustRadius as Best Feature Set, Best Value, and Best Relationship in container management | SUSE Communities
20:32 MinceR; ulf: easily
20:32 TR News; "Microsoft software engineer Stephen Hemminger has proposed removing the DECnet protocol handling code from the Linux kernel. The timing is ironic, as this comes just two weeks after VMS Software Inc announced that OpenVMS 9.2 was really ready this time" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167973
20:32 TR Bot; Re: That proposal to remove DECNET support from Linux kernel | Tux Machines
20:33 schestowitz[TR2]; Microsoft loves nLinux traitors
20:35 TR News; Re: That proposal to remove DECNET support from Linux kernel Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167973
20:36 TR News; Proprietary garbage. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/03/vmware-releases-security-updates-0
20:36 TR Bot; VMware Releases Security Updates | CISA
20:36 TR News; 16 Best Open-source Free Ghost Blog Themes for 2022 https://medevel.com/16-ghost-themes-os/ Source: medevel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//medevel.com/16-ghost-themes-os/
20:36 TR Bot; 16 Best Open-source Free Ghost Blog Themes for 2022
20:38 TR News; Making up more job titles https://www.fosslife.org/whats-automation-engineer
20:38 TR Bot; Whats an Automation Engineer?
20:39 TR News; Red Hat as software police. Beyond sigstore https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/SLSA-framework-measuring-supply-chain-security-maturity
20:39 TR Bot; I will take the Red (Hat) SLSA please: Introducing a framework for measuring supply chain security maturity
20:41 TR News; Red Hat pays Microsoft marketing/de facto PR firm for fake, paid-for, manufactured "recommendation", feeding a vicious and rogue industry of fake "analysts" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/forrester-total-economic-impact-study-reveals-red-hat-services-and-support-openshift-delivers-roi-over-700 http://techrights.org/wiki/Forrester
20:41 TR Bot; Forrester Consulting Total Economic Impact study reveals Red Hat Services and Support for OpenShift delivered ROI of over 700%
20:41 TR Bot; Forrester - Techrights
20:42 TR News; "GTK4 screenshot of writer using true GtkScrollbars rather than themed Vcl ScrollBars. Long press enters gtk's usual fine control mode for scrolling." http://caolanm.blogspot.com/2022/08/gtk34-gtkscrollbar-for-writer-documents.html
20:42 TR Bot; Caoln McNamara: GTK[3|4] GtkScrollbar for writer documents
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20:45 schestowitz[TR2]; hi ryan
20:45 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167974
20:45 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
20:46 TR News; Some time tonight the Gemini capsule of Techrights will be up to date again. Takes about 24 hours to restore from backup. Maybe tomorrow Tux Machines will be ready to access (new stories) over Gemini.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
21:06 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/03/nist_quantum_resistant_crypto_cracked/
21:06 TR Bot; Post-quantum crypto cracked in an hour with one Xeon core The Register
21:09 MinceR; (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/W2AuS0J
21:09 TR Bot; heard of personal space huh? - Album on Imgur
21:18 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/03/virginia-politicians-are-suing-books-they-dont-like/
21:18 TR Bot; Politicians Are Suing Books They Dont Like | Techdirt
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21:29 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/08/microsoft-playing-dumb-on-anti-abortion-donations-activists-say/
21:29 TR Bot; Microsofts $3M anti-abortion donations under fire from activists, shareholders | Ars Technica
21:54 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/08/03/t-j-maxx-in-trouble-for-knowingly-selling-recalled-products-that-can-cause-fires-and-kill-babies-this-is-the-natural-result-of-republican-political-corruption/
21:54 TR Bot; T.J. Maxx in trouble for knowingly selling recalled products that can cause fires and kill babies. This is the natural result of Republican political corruption. BaronHK's Rants
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22:27 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/05/12/funny-overheard-courthouse-instagram/
22:27 TR Bot; The 'Overheard Courthouse' Instagram Account Shares Funny Conversations People Heard In Court (50 Pics)
22:44 psydruid; is T.J. Maxx the same company as the one that is called TK Maxx over here in Europe?
22:45 DaemonFC; Not sure.
22:46 psydruid; "In the UK, TJ Maxx is known as TK Maxxas well as in Ireland, Poland, The Netherlands and Germany. The name was modified to avoid confusion with the British retail chain T. J. Hughes. The European Headquarters are based in Watford, Hertfordshire."
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22:59 phanes; when you turn a routine service request into a portfolio annex that increases your company's revenue that's amore
23:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], I asked RMS to put a "Walmart" section on his site about the remodels with the self-checkouts, the higher in-store prices, and the credit card points schemes. "Carrot and stick" to make you use proprietary software and use a credit card.
23:07 phanes; i actually prefer using cards
23:07 phanes; its cheaper than paying someone to hold my money while i walk around
23:08 DaemonFC; Hold your money while you walk around?
23:09 phanes; i mean
23:09 phanes; you just try finding an intern willing to walk around with a wheelbarrow full of cash
23:10 DaemonFC; About the only advantage I've seen to paying online is if I tell Walmart they left something out of my order or they handed me a busted can, the thing just says "Okay, here's the $3 back on your card. No need to come return it.".
23:10 *phanes slips a 20 in DaemonFC's shirt pocket
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23:10 DaemonFC; It happens often enough that one time is a nuisance, but over time, it adds up.
23:11 DaemonFC; So when some idiot busts a can and throws it in my shopping bag today, and two weeks from now, they forget my salad dressing, and then a month later they hand me a bag of chicken that's busted and oozing all over the sack, it adds up into an amount of money that is important.
23:12 phanes; i dont even go to the grocery store in person anymore tbh
23:12 DaemonFC; Yeah, I don't do that much.
23:12 DaemonFC; It's not worth going in there, honestly.
23:13 DaemonFC; I'm literally paying the store (higher prices in-store, less credit card points) in order to go in and do free labor (shopping and ringing myself up).
23:13 DaemonFC; So it's beneath me to do my own shopping at this point. And the funny part is sometimes they actually assign Mandy to go pull our own grocery trip.
23:14 DaemonFC; So if it's paying him $20 an hour to shop for our own groceries, I mean, why in the Hell would I go in there, do it for free, pay 7-8% more, and then ring myself up and maybe have the system accuse me of trying to steal something while I'm in there?
23:15 DaemonFC; Then I touch touch touch the nasty self-checkout that everyone in Waukegan has touched and get the Monkeypox.
23:15 DaemonFC; The TikTok lawyer claims that Walmart just goes full Hertz rent-a-car with the shoplifting accusations because nobody punishes them if they're wrong.
23:16 DaemonFC; No problem for them. Big problem for you!
23:16 phanes; https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/458/339/381.png
23:17 DaemonFC; It's not worth Walmart's time to try to filter out who actually stole something from them.
23:17 DaemonFC; They can just have accusations fly and let the judge sort it all out.
23:17 *phanes pictures walmart as a dark ages villa where people poop into the streets out their 2nd story window and never goes there
23:17 DaemonFC; Someone got murdered there the other day, in the parking lot.
23:17 DaemonFC; There was an insane amount of blood all over the pavement.
23:17 DaemonFC; Gun deal gone wrong, I understand.
23:18 DaemonFC; Someone emptied a clip into the guy and then drove off.
23:19 DaemonFC; "I've seen people empty entire clips and hit nothing but air." -Morphius
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23:19 DaemonFC; Fuck, I live in Chicago. I see people empty entire clips and hit air, the city bus, a little old lady in the laundromat, and a school teacher coming out of Starbucks when the guy they were trying to kill was RIGHT THE FUCK THERE.
23:20 DaemonFC; They need to give these people shooting lessons in prison so there will be less of a mess when the parole board lets them out.
23:22 phanes; nobody lives in chicago unless they have to
23:22 phanes; chicago rhymes with 'poor'
23:23 phanes; when i have a layover in chicago i don't even leave the terminal
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23:30 ulf; i think that's why IBM Wintel do not release their sources of windows operating system, or intel CPUs:
23:30 ulf; it's probably that horrible quality, the entire globe would laugh their ass off and stocks crash
23:31 ulf; too, thats why GNU/FSF etc. are useful idiots, because MICROS~1 IBM Wintel point finters, it's the non-professional sources which are public
23:31 ulf; fingers
23:32 ulf; while theirs, their own, are supposedly much different, hence they can't release because it's too good
23:32 ulf; or, to rephrase this, even if micros~1 wintel wanted to publish sources, they couldn't
23:34 ulf; i mean it's almost impossible to produce worse quality than what GNU/FSF advertise as free
23:35 ulf; german government, while ago, insisted to take a look, hence microsoft offered a sealed room, with internet disconnect, video cameras forbidden, and strict NDA
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23:37 ulf; meanwhile, again, i am seeing GNU makefiles and libtool freak-out over an alternative compiler/linker inserted
23:37 ulf; the logfiles alone, are an insult to intellect
23:37 ulf; and if RMS is responsbile for this, i wanted to see him suffocate in the jail where Epstein ended
23:38 ulf; USA operates many prisons, certainly there is space left for BillG and the entire crowd of his
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23:43 psydruid; GNU is software made for a bygone era, there is no need to want to see RMS suffocate for that
23:46 ulf; whowever is responsible, advertising this as "free", got no more words for this
23:46 XRevan86; https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1554876349680173057.html Alex Jones' success story
23:46 TR Bot; Thread by @GoAngelo on Thread Reader App Thread Reader App
23:48 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/03/st-petersburg-region-authorities-order-enterprises-to-send-employees-to-military-retraining-where-they-will-repair-equipment-for-ukraine-war-news "St. Petersburg region authorities order enterprises to send employees to military retraining where they will repair equipment for Ukraine War"
23:48 TR Bot; .
23:48 ulf; i think you have not the slightest clue, how bad it is
23:48 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/03/partial-mobilisation-announced-in-nagorno-karabakh-news "Partial mobilisation announced in Nagorno-Karabakh"
23:48 TR Bot; .
23:49 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/03/azerbaijans-defence-ministry-announces-operation-revenge-in-nagorno-karabakh-russia-confirms-escalation-in-the-region-news "Azerbaijans Defence Ministry announces Operation Revenge in Nagorno-Karabakh, Russia confirms escalation in the region"
23:49 TR Bot; .
23:49 ulf; i mean, an error report of those build-system issues, it's almost impossible to report this conclusively
23:49 ulf; insanity, and evilness, certainly not "free" as in free
23:50 XRevan86; CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-2-08-03
23:50 TR Bot; Dispatch for August 2 Telegraph
23:50 ulf; USA should be sanctioned over this, with an anti-trust against GNU/FSF and whoever else is involved
23:51 ulf; it's an act of sabotage against global economy what they did
23:53 ulf; this entire "software freedom", it's just a facade to justify all the other anti-competitive cancer spread by them
23:54 XRevan86; MinceR: One thing activelow and britny kind of did to this channel is that now I can't take anything written here seriously.
23:54 psydruid; I'm pretty sure I do have an idea how bad it is, but there is nothing I can do about software I didn't contribute to in the first place
23:55 XRevan86; (britny is more positive at least)
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