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00:00 matey; in terms of survival, capitalism WILL destroy free software, if we let it
00:00 matey; they cannot be friends
00:00 matey; it doesnt matter how many jews are "nice" to hitler, hes still bent on exterminating them.
00:01 matey; capitalism doesnt like fair competition.
00:01 matey; free software is TOO FAIR for them.
00:01 MinceR; https://files.catbox.moe/9hlm9o.png
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00:01 matey; what people dont realise is, that capitalism predictably devolves into monopoly and attempts to control society by any means necessary
00:01 matey; free software is incompatible with THAT. but not capitalism "per se"
00:02 matey; but that is what capitalism will continue to do, just like there was never going to be a point where hitler said
00:02 matey; "you know what? im tired of taking over europe. i think ill just find a nice jewish woman to settle down with and stop all this megalomania."
00:02 matey; its never going to happen!
00:03 matey; also, fuck mike godwin. hes a spineless nazi shit.
00:03 matey; though MOSTLY thats tongue in cheek.
00:05 psydruid; the services revenue model never seems to have taken off either except for very few companies such as Red Hat
00:06 psydruid; if people can download and use free software for free (gratis), they aren't going to pay for it for the most part
00:06 matey; capitalism pushes this imaginary image of capitalism, where if a bunch of people get together and try to figure out how to be more independent
00:07 matey; capitalism itself will not send people to try to destroy that
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00:07 matey; but thats what capitalism does with such things. every. single. time.
00:07 matey; co-opt it and/or destroy it. as if turning something into a cynical piece-of-shit meaningless version of itself is really different from "destruction"
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00:08 psydruid; the status quo must be protected because too much is at stake
00:08 matey; it turns handcrafts into sweatshops, and high-tech industries into more sweatshops
00:08 matey; it really turns every fucking thing into sweatshops-- like amazon and its warehouses
00:08 matey; if capitalism was called sweatshopism, people might not like it as much
00:09 matey; of course if capitalism was called sweatshopism, it would be a more accurate name
00:09 matey; not everything capitalist is sweatshop-related of course
00:09 psydruid; sweatshops built on free software, that's freedom
00:09 matey; i mean, it takes a long time for EVERYTHING to be turned into sweatshop labour
00:09 matey; of every store i go to, right?
00:10 matey; the biggest most corporate one is the one that has trouble making change.
00:10 matey; EVERY OTHER PLACE i go to can make change, and keep their major appliances working
00:10 matey; why? because when something breaks they have to fix it
00:10 matey; and when they run out of cash, they send one of their paid staff to the bank to get more.
00:11 matey; but the biggest most corporate place i go (which i avoid, except when i cant) cant make change
00:11 matey; theyre too cheap to fix things or send someone to the bank
00:11 matey; theyre always understaffed, so they have no one they can send
00:11 matey; theyd have to close the place.
00:12 matey; they need more employees just to carry out the basic functions of the business
00:12 matey; but they prefer to have an insufficient number of people doing their job plus several others
00:12 matey; and then they berate customers over not doing the job of the business
00:12 matey; like its the customers job to play banker, not the buinesses job to send someone to the bank
00:13 matey; we need ones! fuck you, send someone to the bank. do i look like wells fargo to you?
00:13 matey; when i need something, what do they do? NOTHING
00:13 matey; theyre too cheap
00:14 matey; why so cheap? undercutting places that give a shit
00:14 psydruid; free software was on the path towards enabling people to exercise their freedoms, but then it had to be destroyed because too much freedom is not good for those same people
00:14 bnchs; the biggest joke in microsoft vs code
00:15 bnchs; they have an extension for vim keybinds
00:15 matey; microsoft vim
00:15 matey; /me has vi, but not vim (i recommend jed)
00:16 matey; jeds not going to cut it for serious vim/emacs users obviously
00:16 matey; but i like it better than vi
00:16 psydruid; at this point I'm even questioning the validity of the IT/software industry
00:16 matey; you should always question industry
00:17 matey; the more industrial medicine gets, the more they overwork doctors and nurses and the number of accidents increase
00:17 matey; did they take off the wrong leg? probably industry.
00:17 matey; the more industrial music gets, the more they suck the dynamic range out of music, take singers like britney spears and
00:17 matey; its not like she cant sing. its just that shes more marketable the way she is.
00:17 matey; blame industry.
00:17 psydruid; if all the jobs that need to be done could be done with a fraction of the developers currently out there, how are the other not so lucky ones going to make a living?
00:18 bnchs; yes its one thing i like
00:18 matey; industry turns the amazon into wildfires, and it turns vast lands full of tribes into reservations full of alcoholics
00:18 bnchs; glorified microsoft vim in a electron app
00:18 bnchs; takes up 500% more RAM than the real vim
00:19 matey; if all the jobs that need to be done could be done with a fraction of the developers currently out there, how are the other not so lucky ones going to make a living? <- and if capitalism prefers inefficiency and unreliability to a realistic idea of how many people we need on a certain task
00:19 matey; how is the entire concept not a fucking farce?
00:19 psydruid; that's what I mean
00:19 matey; the software industry makes money from revinting the wheel over nad over and over again
00:20 matey; but its not enough to reinvent the wheel and LIE and say its new
00:20 matey; oh no
00:20 matey; you also have to DESTROY all the other fucking wheels with lies and skullduggery
00:20 matey; because competition is (by definition) BAD for monopoly
00:20 matey; and monopoly is what capitalism REALLY wants
00:20 psydruid; and do we pretend to live in this world of make believe or would we rather live in reality
00:21 matey; and do we pretend to live in this world of make believe or would we rather live in reality <- theres no easy answer to that question
00:21 matey; the not-so-easy answer is that we live in a cult until we cant anymore
00:21 matey; and then things get interesting.
00:21 matey; but the biding-time-in-a-cult timeframe can last decades
00:22 matey; 105 years ago russia overthrew feudalism
00:22 psydruid; I'm thinking of doing something not in IT or software at all
00:22 matey; <psydruid> I'm thinking of doing something not in IT or software at all <- then what?
00:22 psydruid; because what is the whole purpose of it
00:22 psydruid; I have many skills
00:22 matey; i mean i can answer that at least
00:22 activelow; i'll consider jed editor; seems practical
00:23 matey; i think jed is too "bloated" for you
00:23 matey; but id be happy if you were promoting it as something useful to you
00:23 matey; do check it out
00:24 activelow; why would jed be bloated?
00:24 matey; <psydruid> because what is the whole purpose of it <- i dont think information technology stops being useful when you (hypothetically) get rid of industry and capitalism
00:24 matey; if anything, tech needs people who arent married to the industry, more than ever before
00:25 psydruid; I would just limit software developments to things that benefit me and people within my circle
00:25 matey; thats what free software was
00:25 psydruid; I mean, look at MinceR with all of his knowledge and skills
00:25 matey; but it didnt see the fatal compromises it was making
00:26 matey; <psydruid> I mean, look at MinceR with all of his knowledge and skills <- i know very little about his skills, but he says some things that point to being skilled
00:26 psydruid; and they chew and spit someone like him out
00:26 matey; im not so much a sceptic as unfamiliar
00:26 matey; <psydruid> and they chew and spit someone like him out <- industry has no use for independent thinkers
00:26 matey; actually thats half true
00:26 matey; step 1 exploit them
00:27 matey; step 2 keep them in line
00:27 matey; if step 2 fails, step 3 is destroy them
00:27 matey; sept 19 2019
00:27 matey; or was it 16th?
00:27 matey; i think it was sept 16th
00:27 matey; some say 11
00:28 matey; either way "free software 9/11" fits imo
00:28 matey; the movement does less now to protect itself
00:28 psydruid; sometime around an anniversary at least
00:29 matey; rms probably doesnt realise that sept 16th is his half-birthday
00:29 matey; he turns n.5 on that day
00:29 matey; but no one keeps track of half-birthdays, because its silly to do so
00:30 matey; even birthdays themselves are a little bit silly
00:31 matey; happy birthday gnu, heres stephen fry (love him really) with a mac (what?)
00:32 matey; they swear the mac was running gnu
00:32 bnchs; gnu
00:32 matey; im sceptical.
00:32 psydruid; gnu/microsoft
00:32 matey; hai na
00:32 bnchs; well macs can run gnu/linux
00:32 psydruid; gnu/apple
00:32 matey; even with non-free drivers, getting a mac to work with gnu/linux tends to be painful
00:33 matey; with gnewsense though? or trisquel?
00:33 psydruid; they end up working eventually
00:33 matey; thats good
00:33 psydruid; and then they stop working again as developers abandon them
00:33 matey; yeah
00:33 psydruid; for new shiny macs
00:34 matey; they must have found the goldilocks version of gnewsense or whatever for the macbook fry was using
00:34 matey; though id just as soon believe they lied to cover up the fact that...
00:34 matey; i mean i dont KNOW that, but thats just it
00:34 matey; how would we know
00:35 matey; they didnt document it except after the fact when people were like "wait..."
00:35 matey; but the thing is-- if i show that video to anyone
00:35 matey; the first thing theyre going to ask me is if gnu will run on a mac
00:35 matey; "well..."
00:35 matey; "theres always a chance"
00:36 matey; ever since then gnu has become more about marketing, a bit less about really fighting
00:37 matey; and the mandatory happiness
00:37 matey; id love to hear some gnu developers bitch and moan about how much theyve tried to be more free, only to have the industry fuck them over
00:37 matey; but that might "alienate" someone
00:37 psydruid; more like a "bitchfight"
00:37 matey; if the truth alienates people, the people alienated by truth can fuck themselves.
00:38 matey; its not like we are shit-talking microsoft just to be dicks
00:38 matey; theyve spent the past 20-40 years fucking over everything that moves
00:38 matey; its a legitimate gripe-- get used to it!
00:39 matey; the struggle for freedom isnt the hold-hands-and-sing drumming circle for freedom
00:39 bnchs; matey: you know what else fucked everything that moves?
00:39 matey; if you want the unitarian universalists, theyre dotted all over the place if thats your idea of progress
00:39 psydruid; why do governments and companies go along with the narrative that their interests are aligned with Microsoft's?
00:40 matey; <bnchs> matey: you know what else fucked everything that moves? <- bill gates and jeff epstein?
00:40 bnchs; correct!
00:40 matey; probably not just a coincidence
00:40 matey; <psydruid> why do governments and companies go along with the narrative that their interests are aligned with Microsoft's? <- because at the end of the day, all they give a shit about is monopoly and control
00:40 matey; and theyre all in that fight (against each other) together.
00:41 matey; because if theres one group of people theyre more against than each other...
00:41 matey; its the rest of us.
00:41 DaemonFC; Microsoft is like General Motors only instead of a bankruptcy, there's just a perpetual bailout.
00:41 matey; in other words, microsoft and google may be out to destroy each other
00:41 DaemonFC; If General Motors was left on its own, it would have gone under because people wanted good products and had access to them, and were buying them, and that's why GM failed.
00:41 matey; but other than THAT they have common goals.
00:42 DaemonFC; But uh oh, here comes the government.
00:42 matey; most people and microsoft only have common goals if microsoft lies to them constantly
00:42 DaemonFC; Lets GM screw their workers, their creditors, everyone.
00:42 matey; in other words, they only THINK they have common goals, but theyre mistaken
00:42 matey; thats co-opting and exploitation
00:42 DaemonFC; Puts a bunch of taxpayer money from people who chose not to buy GM cars into the company.
00:42 matey; its deliberate
00:42 DaemonFC; Then left them with the same corrupt idiots that they had all along, so that it could go under again someday.
00:43 matey; so google and microsoft are mortal enemies, for a common cause
00:43 matey; us peons dont even share the cause.
00:43 DaemonFC; GM keeps working, lobbying, against having to make products people want to buy.
00:43 DaemonFC; Because they know they'll get bailed out again.
00:43 matey; so google and microsoft will happily join hands against us. they can kill each other later.
00:43 matey; granted its never that simple
00:43 matey; they also try to destroy each other every single day
00:44 matey; while holding hands.
00:44 DaemonFC; Microoft is a little different. They've been making it aggravating to leave them and things like "Secure Boot" certainly help with that.
00:44 matey; and conspiring against a better world
00:44 psydruid; why are so few people willing to get out there to destroy Google and Microsoft?
00:44 DaemonFC; Because it's like a 20 step process that's impossible to document to get Windows off of a computer now.
00:44 matey; why are so few people willing to get out there to destroy Google and Microsoft? <- they know its hopeless
00:44 matey; and theyre half-right.
00:44 DaemonFC; Lenovo released a guide on how to install Debian and it was a PDF with dozens of pages of step-by-step instructions.
00:44 DaemonFC; Half of it was firmware-related. :/
00:45 matey; i know what i know from my own experience-- as a kid i was like OOH, TECH-- BETTER FUTURE! YAY HUMANITY
00:45 matey; i shit you not
00:45 psydruid; you can find interesting articles if you look for "put $ENTITY out of business"
00:45 matey; i went through a technoutopian phase
00:45 matey; as a child.
00:45 DaemonFC; Microsoft wants all of this stuff that causes compatibility problems and bugs on by default precisely because it adds a hill to climb.
00:45 matey; i mean we had pieces of space stations and spyplanes
00:46 matey; and with them, stories of triumph of good over evil, and INNOVA~1 over all odds
00:46 matey; what CANT technology do? its the only way to escape the solar system when it blows
00:47 matey; but i got tired of shitty wars and (rightfully, but naively) blamed republicans
00:47 matey; i got this idea that being liberal was the answer
00:47 matey; and its very fake, but i thought otherwise
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00:48 matey; as it got more openly fake i became sceptical, but the republicans were still losers, i had no interest in them
00:48 matey; two things got me into libertarianism
00:48 matey; 1. i moved where there were LOTS of libertarians
00:49 matey; 2. mostly free software showed me a world (so i thought) where progressive ideas could work without government :)
00:49 matey; to me, free software proved that libertarianism wasnt political masturbation
00:49 matey; and then it fell over and died, so so much for that
00:50 matey; oh, and libertarianism is doing JUST GREAT giving zero fucks about the events of the past few years
00:50 matey; good job.
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00:50 matey; if i wanted a straw man (an unfair caricature) of libertarianism on that issue, we have crystal for that
00:51 matey; but the shoe fits
00:51 matey; the only that convinced me (as an adult at least) that maybe something LIKE capitalism could work was free software not getting destroyed by capitalism
00:52 matey; and then capitalism destroyed both free software and then its founder in a 2-year span
00:52 matey; and the libertarians made a nice stink about it
00:52 activelow; "free software" is a politically motivated misnomer
00:52 matey; and then proceeded to do PRETTY MUCH fuck-all
00:52 activelow; psydruid proposed "free computing" instead, to cover freedom of science, academic freedom, free software, and hardware (which cannot be separated from free software)
00:53 matey; <activelow> "free software" is a politically motivated misnomer <- id protest, if i thought your charge that free sw/free hs was actually a dichotomy was bunk
00:53 matey; psydruid proposed "free computing" instead <- hes smart like that
00:53 matey; free computing is the future
00:53 matey; without free computing, free software is fucked
00:54 matey; and the libertarians proceeded to do PRETTY MUCH fuck-all
00:54 matey; which imo (at this point) is a predictable pattern
00:54 matey; washing its hands of everything is what libertarianism does best
00:54 matey; it DOES, i suppose, pretend that this is for a good cause. its non-interventionist, they say
00:55 matey; but theyre happy to intervene whenever it aligns with their interests
00:55 matey; i consider it bunk
00:55 matey; all that was missing was a viable alternative
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00:55 matey; anti-capitalism is nice but it seemed both unnecessary and nearly impossible
00:55 matey; that was then, of course
00:56 matey; i was mostly neutral about anti-capitalism, and my neutrality invited its advocates
00:56 matey; we are convinced that free software and capitalism cannot, will never co-exist
00:56 matey; okay, well i would choose freedom over capitalism any day
00:57 matey; i only needed convincing that capitalism will never give us freedom
00:57 matey; im convinced
00:57 matey; either way, it killed free software (for now) and i wont forgive that
00:57 matey; not today, not ever
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00:58 matey; it killed one of my ten favourite things in the world
00:58 matey; the others wont be named here, though honestly, its not too hard to guess
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 13.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 351.15
00:59 matey; the weirdest thing i love by far is free software
00:59 bnchs; the techdoom
00:59 matey; <bnchs> the techdoom <- straw man
00:59 matey; hypemen are destroying the fucking internet
00:59 bnchs; well i'm sorry
00:59 matey; the hype needs to fucking die
01:00 matey; <bnchs> well i'm sorry <- im not interested in their bullshit
01:00 matey; the more they pretend everything is fine, they more they sell free software to fucking aquaman
01:00 matey; aquaman can start his own fucking software empire imo
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01:00 matey; rms wasnt exactly mr. happy either
01:00 matey; when he saw bullshit, thats what he called it
01:01 matey; some people LIKE bullshit
01:01 matey; i dont.
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01:01 matey; its an insult
01:01 matey; im being blamed for "doom" when all im saying is "all this happy gumdrop marshmellow crap is going to give you intellectual fucking diabetes"
01:01 bnchs; well yeah
01:01 matey; you know what free software is now?
01:01 matey; ALL NATURAL.
01:02 matey; two words, used together, to mean absolutely FUCK ALL
01:02 bnchs; maybe it should be mixed with a little salt
01:02 matey; and all im saying is
01:02 matey; dying from cancer is ALL NATURAL
01:02 bnchs; maybe
01:02 matey; aids is all natural
01:02 bnchs; but i shouldnt get 200% salr
01:02 matey; but i shouldnt get 200% salr <- ?
01:02 activelow; free software? a facade, a misnomer.
01:03 bnchs; yes it shouldnt be 100% sweet
01:03 bnchs; nor 100% salt
01:03 bnchs; you can mix a little salt
01:03 matey; you may have missed it when psydroid talked about quitting computing altogether
01:03 matey; and i said no, that would be a terrible idea
01:04 bnchs; but maybe i dont want to have intellectual diabetes nor demovitation
01:04 matey; " nor demovitation" motivation based on bullshit only leads people to self-defeat
01:04 matey; if you want a pep talk, ill give you one based on things i think will actually help you
01:04 matey; not based on blowing sunshine up your anus
01:04 matey; its not fucking hopeless
01:04 bnchs; yeah i know
01:04 matey; its just REALLY BAD
01:05 matey; most of my associates are more optimistic than i am
01:05 matey; but theres a reason for that
01:06 matey; and its not because theyre dumb. its because they know more about the things that give them hope
01:06 matey; the more i learn about those things, the more optimistic i am
01:06 bnchs; i'm optimistic
01:06 matey; but optimism for optimisms sake is ignorance
01:06 bnchs; because i do see a future in computing
01:06 matey; i do too
01:06 bnchs; giving up would make it worse
01:06 matey; i agree
01:06 matey; and i told psydroid that in this very conversation
01:07 matey; but all the bullshitters out there, what they do is
01:07 matey; they say "join us! we can help you fight!"
01:07 bnchs; oh
01:07 matey; and you waste a year or two and realise they never cared about any of that
01:07 matey; they lied
01:07 activelow; given the compiler situation, i am having difficulties to envision any future for "free software"
01:08 matey; <activelow> given the compiler situation, i am having difficulties to envision any future for "free software" <- thats because the real future is in newer, simpler compilers
01:08 matey; it doesnt mean eradicating all the complex ones
01:08 activelow; exactly, however, "free software" cannot be compiled with those
01:08 matey; it means NOT building everything to RELY on those
01:08 matey; "free software" cannot be compiled with those <- as-is.
01:08 matey; true enough. but not hopeless
01:08 psydruid; I wouldn't completely give up on computing, but in the context of making a living developing software that means nothing to me
01:09 matey; but in the context of making a living developing software <- i mean i consider that an incredible waste of time, yes
01:09 activelow; gcc-4.7 is rather old already, no aarch64 support yet, at least sufficed to verify some base-system profile with, in preparation for tinycc
01:09 matey; but if someone has the time and makes the money
01:09 matey; and still understands whats at stake and gives a shit and acts on that...
01:09 psydruid; because look at all of those job ads, they're terrible
01:09 matey; well the industry is a mountain of shit, theres no question
01:09 matey; id rather arrange flowers for a living than write software for a company
01:10 matey; thanks to monsanto of course, id almost certainly be arranging flowers for microsoft-- I MEAN THIS IS GETTING FUCKING RIDICULOUS!
01:10 matey; and the flowers example wasnt a setup for that punchline-- it goes back to when i was in my 20s.
01:13 matey; dont look for a job with an ethical industry though
01:13 matey; there arent any ethical industries
01:14 matey; i dont blame you for avoiding the it industry though, it will eat your soul
01:14 matey; theres a strong argument to be made for avoiding the industry closest to what you love to do
01:14 psydruid; I already worked in that industry and it ate my soul
01:14 matey; so lesson learned
01:15 matey; work for an industry, if any, that isnt so close to what you really love
01:15 matey; its not like you have to do something you hate, or that you dont care about at all
01:15 psydruid; so I am not looking forward to being sucked back into something that has since turned into something even worse
01:15 matey; but at least try to keep your favourite thing away fro your job
01:16 matey; <psydruid> so I am not looking forward to being sucked back into something that has since turned into something even worse <- so it your way
01:16 matey; so do it your way ^
01:16 matey; and fuck what the industry wants
01:16 matey; after all, the industry loves a summer romance
01:16 matey; the only thing microsoft is married to is windows, and thats going about as well as bill and melinda right now
01:16 matey; the industry likes to stick and move
01:17 matey; it will give up on systemd-- after systemd has destroyed everything in its wake
01:18 matey; so wiating for systemd to be abandoned is a failing strategy that ignores its intended purpose
01:18 psydruid; I don't know anything about windows and I don't know how to write anything but generic software for it in C, C++, Java and Scala
01:18 matey; and thats just an example of a very typical pattern
01:18 matey; I don't know anything about windows <- windows is utterly useless
01:18 matey; i followed reactos for years and gave up
01:18 matey; ive got a screen cap of my favourite programming language running in reactos
01:19 matey; just getting python installed in ros was a fucking hoot
01:19 psydruid; ReactOS devs are hardcore Microsoft fans
01:19 matey; yep, their work is of no use to me
01:19 psydruid; that is their biggest problem
01:19 matey; except they sometimes help wine
01:19 matey; and ive used wine for a couple things
01:19 matey; probably never again.
01:20 matey; if you stop using the linux kernel, wine... does what exactly?
01:20 matey; but even when i used gnu/linux my use of wine was incredibly spare
01:20 psydruid; Linux developers at least made changes compared to Solaris and BSD where they deemed those adequate
01:20 matey; not always for the better
01:20 matey; but i wont pretend all of that was useless
01:21 matey; i even like the gnu version of cut better than the openbsd version
01:21 matey; but awk fulfils the same purpose without bothering to compile cut from gnu
01:21 matey; and i mean awk, not gnu awk
01:22 matey; the people point to the gnu coding standards being obsolete
01:22 matey; maybe its fud, it seems legit
01:23 activelow; long-term i'll not accept anything into the bapho base system which doesn't compile with TinyCC; let's see what remains
01:23 activelow; currently, i haven't got a kernel anymore, given this
01:23 activelow; situation
01:23 matey; currently, i haven't got a kernel anymore <- thats so gnu
01:24 matey; you should call it baphgnuos
01:24 activelow; tinycc isn't a gnu project, although it is gpl2 iirc
01:24 matey; tinycc isn't a gnu projec <- its listed in the fsd at least
01:24 activelow; i feel that desperate about it; i am considering to fully depart into 8/16bit realm with free hardware there
01:25 matey; i feel that desperate about it; i am considering to fully depart into 8/16bit realm with free hardware there <- if thats what it takes
01:25 activelow; and, i required almost a decade, to review this
01:25 matey; one of the people who talked at libreplanet this year has a 6502 internet project
01:25 matey; on hackaday
01:25 activelow; needless to say, without income generated
01:26 matey; needless to say, without income generated <- what do you live on, pension or savings?
01:26 activelow; yet, the entire 8/16bit realm is only interesting if, and only if, it is free hardware, and doesn't require proprietary tooling nearby
01:26 activelow; which is often the case, microchip vendors and tools require an IBM Wintel PC nearby, to program, flash, compile whatever
01:26 matey; yet, the entire 8/16bit realm is only interesting if, and only if, it is free hardware, and doesn't require proprietary tooling nearby <- fair
01:26 activelow; Altera? Xilinx? no thanks.
01:26 psydruid; I wouldn't go below 32-bit and ideally 64-bit
01:27 matey; i dont like 64 bit because it demands so much ram
01:27 psydruid; but doing free computing with those may be tricky or even impossible
01:27 matey; on a machine with "only" a few gigs, its such a waste
01:28 matey; or even impossible <- lrowe and i see hope there, maybe its real
01:28 psydruid; on ARM it's a completely different instruction set
01:28 matey; of course
01:28 psydruid; that is much saner than whatever came before
01:29 matey; i hear the nvidia deal floundered
01:29 matey; when i heard this, i linked to the crab rave
01:29 activelow; free computing didn't arrive at anything "better" than 8/16bit Z80/Gigatron/6502 yet
01:29 matey; it seemed the most appropriate response
01:30 activelow; and even then, as soon as a digital scope is nearby, those aren't free
01:31 activelow; meanwhile, analog scope manufacturing seems gone, inclduding traditional vendors such as Rohde&Schwarz or Hameg... they're all digital now
01:31 psydruid; I've read that the simplest RISC-V core requires only 20,000 gates
01:31 activelow; equipped with Xilinx, and gorious support from IBM Wintel
01:31 psydruid; which is still a lot more than what Sam Zeloof can work with
01:32 psydruid; but I think it should be doable in the not too distant future
01:33 matey; every time ive moved from one platform to another
01:33 activelow; that's another issue with "free software", the priorities, of what's important and what isn't
01:33 matey; the priorities, of what's important and what isn't <- no shit
01:34 matey; every time ive moved from one platform to another, ive prioritised one thing
01:34 matey; a toolset that is as portable from one platform to another as possible
01:34 psydruid; https://semiengineering.com/a-minimal-risc-v/
01:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: semiengineering.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://semiengineering.com/a-minimal-risc-v/
01:34 TR Bot; A Minimal RISC-V
01:34 activelow; matey: pencil and paper
01:35 matey; by the time i moved to openbsd, i had practically nothing that wouldnt either run on bsd, or be trivial to adapt to it
01:35 matey; one notable exception is my distro project-- it mostly relies on things that are gnu/linux-only
01:35 DaemonFC; https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-killed-by-poisoned-food-alcohol-ukrainian-officials-2022-4
01:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: businessinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-killed-by-poisoned-food-alcohol-ukrainian-officials-2022-4
01:35 TR Bot; Russian Troops Killed by Poisoned Food, Alcohol: Ukrainian Officials
01:35 matey; but my distro project was based on the idea that gnu/linux could be salvaged
01:35 matey; i find little evidence for that
01:36 psydruid; a large part of that is not becoming dependent on anything that is specific to an operating system
01:36 matey; i also had no alternatives at the time
01:36 matey; a large part of that is not becoming dependent on anything that is specific to an operating system <- this is mostly a simpler way of saying what i was trying to say
01:36 matey; at least its most of what i was trying to say
01:37 matey; gnu is doing nothing to keep track of the war against it
01:37 matey; i find no evidence that the fsf is keeping track of the war against it
01:37 matey; gnu is busy installing screen doors on its submarines
01:38 psydruid; the fsf will exist until some day it doesn't
01:38 matey; i wonder how long it will take exactly
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01:39 matey; 10% of it will be around a whole lot longer than 90% of it
01:39 matey; sort of like npr
01:39 matey; ive been comparing the fsf to npr for years
01:39 activelow; npr?
01:39 matey; american national public radio
01:39 matey; similar idea as bbc radio but american
01:40 matey; sabotaged by nixon many decades ago
01:40 matey; and bush junior a couple decades ago
01:40 matey; and absolutely no bachman turner overdrive (though some might consider it a plus, listeners)
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01:41 matey; bnchs whats your favourite thing about tech (preferably software)
01:42 matey; im a hypocrite, probably my favourite thing at the moment is the idea of free silicon
01:42 matey; it cant be helped
01:44 psydruid; we had to wait for such a long time for open instruction sets to become available, although there was already openrisc
01:45 activelow; 68k, mips/32, sparc/64, z80, 6502, gigatron
01:45 activelow; 10mbit ethernet is available, usb1
01:46 activelow; don't know, about hdmi and/or vga
01:46 activelow; almost forgot, j-core turtle board
01:46 matey; we had to wait for such a long time for open instruction sets to become available <- although i foresaw fpga, i honestly didnt think industry had it in it to allow such a thing to exist
01:47 matey; i was very excited to see a picture of one on the cover of scientific american
01:47 activelow; currently, there isn't at least some 100% free and opensource (both hardware and software) VT100 VGA/PS2 terminal
01:47 matey; it wasnt as exciting as the moon landing, which i wasnt around for of course, but something changed
01:48 matey; fpgas are a big deal imo. and free silicon brings that feeling with it
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01:49 activelow; some ICE40 from Olimex seemed decent, with 512KiB SRAM, however this wouldn't be fast enough for VGA 640x480 16 colors, to terminate VT100 with
01:49 matey; /me thinks olimex are cunts
01:49 psydruid; we should have a lot more vendors of fpgas
01:49 activelow; matey: why?
01:50 matey; i talked to one of them, he seemed like one
01:50 matey; i admit this isnt terribly scientific
01:50 matey; then again if i phrased it that way, i wouldnt expect anyone to mistake it for the results of a harvard study
01:50 matey; at any rate my point in saying so was only this
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01:50 matey; if olimex doesnt have the solution to your issue, meh, just keep looking
01:51 activelow; with gigatron ttl i am not entirely sure, about the software, and the ROM
01:51 activelow; in any case, with free computing, there won't be internet anymore
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01:51 psydruid; the only way to find out is to try
01:51 matey; with free computing, there won't be internet anymore <- if you see it as only removing things, okay
01:52 matey; i am focused on removing things from a list of what i consider truly free software
01:52 matey; but
01:52 matey; thats just the first step
01:52 matey; once we have enough idea whats free, we can build up again
01:52 matey; and of course, just because im busy measuring, im not telling anybody to wait until im ready
01:53 matey; if they want to go ahead and make something REALLY REALLY free right now, im not telling them not to
01:53 activelow; the idea, to limit compiler to TinyCC, is a first criteria, to see what remains (both hardware and software)
01:53 matey; its a good idea
01:54 activelow; i'll keep BaphometOS, with as little maintenance as possible, to navigate some books and things necessary; and rather focus on z80/gigatron stuff
01:55 activelow; 1) finish BaphometOS, to fully replace/drop GCC entirely, and compile everything beginning from u-boot loader, kernel, and the userspace with TinyCC
01:55 activelow; currently, i downgraded gcc to v4.7, and patched kernel to remove some c11 voodoo
01:56 matey; /me thinks a german fork of "u-boot" would be too fucking funny
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01:56 psydruid; I think it is German
01:56 matey; thats funny
01:56 matey; its only one letter different from u-boat
01:56 psydruid; it was originally ppcboot
01:57 matey; maybe it was deliberate then
01:57 psydruid; das u-boot
01:57 matey; deliberate then?
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01:57 matey; all this time it was pun intended and i didnt know?
01:57 psydruid; it looks like it
01:57 matey; ffs
01:57 activelow; 2) then depart to gitatron/z80/...; because i doubt it will be possible to keep at least BaphometOS alive (c-only/no-c++ uboot, kernel, userspace)
01:57 activelow; with u-boot, a nasty dependency sneaked into, to support their FDT firmware format: python swift -> c++
01:58 matey; i think if enough people know about baphometos someone might keep it alive in spirit at least
01:58 activelow; so, an older version of u-boot is required maybe (not sure yet), and with it, even older aarch32 hardware, if at all
01:58 matey; be nice if someone did the same for openbsd
01:58 activelow; anyway, this won't be acceptable to BaphometOS: UEFI or any proprietary firmware for GPU/WiFi, proprietary BIOS
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 33.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 333.53
01:59 matey; good
01:59 matey; what youve created is a really good tool for exposing industry doublespeak
02:00 psydruid; these cheap boards are much more powerful than what they're being given credit for
02:00 activelow; to bring back TinyCC, i'll need to implement some missing ASM processing for aarch32 (aarch64 asm isn't supported at all yet)
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02:01 psydruid; even the lowest-end chips are more powerful than Pentium III processors
02:01 activelow; maybe, it is possible to implement RISC-V, or SH2 for tinycc; however that has no priority; and before that, any known-good architecture needs to be verified, such as aarch32 to compile u-boot and kernel
02:02 psydruid; it's just that software became worse faster
02:02 activelow; soon, i'll know, if and how much of the baphomet userspace compiles with tinycc (aarch32), and how fast
02:03 activelow; at first glance, i had seen pass some autoconf/configure runs already, with tinycc in place, and this was alot faster already than gcc-4.7, although there was little to nothing to compile during configure phase
02:04 matey; <psydruid> it's just that software became worse faster <- because industry is a fucking fashion show
02:04 activelow; now imagine this, the bigger compile jobs, if an entire distro can be compiled in an hour or two, on a tiny cortex a53 quadcore, with 1GiB RAM
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02:05 activelow; which too is a huge leap, for free and opensource software, to actually work from source, always, and this being fast and efficient
02:05 activelow; and a cheapo RPI3 sufficed for this
02:07 activelow; which is another reason, why "free software" is a misnomer, because most "distros" are distributed as binary
02:08 activelow; with the argument, that's supposedly faster, instead of asking why source-based workflow was slow and cumbersome
02:11 activelow; btw. the first *nix i worked with wasn't GNU/Linux, it was OpenBSD i learned with, because OpenBSD actually did take care, developers can work efficiently from _source_
02:12 activelow; however, i did realize, the complex dependency tracking necessary, wasn't possible anymore, hence gentoo portage
02:12 activelow; yet, this reasoning is relatively shallow, given the severity of issues involved, with the status of free software, free computing, and academic freedom
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02:14 matey; with the status of free software, free computing, and academic freedom <- indeed
02:16 TR News; This Kyle Wiens talk, repair is not a crime, is an excellent talk about how warranty-voiding stickers are basically illegal http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/fight-to-repair/
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02:18 matey; by the way mincer schestowitz this is from 2019, regarding this code of conduct / code of ethics stuff
02:18 TR News; Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish) Final Beta released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163197#comment-33268
02:18 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Beta Released with GNOME 42 Desktop, Linux Kernel 5.15 LTS | Tux Machines
02:18 matey; i havent looked at this since 2019, i just found it while going through some files
02:18 matey; > Have an organizational wide policy document that applies to all staff, directors, and representatives. It should explain the purpose of the org, how decisions are made, what its values are, etc. And it must have a code of conduct/ethics policy for all employees and directors
02:19 matey; thats joshua gay
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02:19 TR Bot; 4.14.275 stable kernel is out [LWN.net]
02:19 matey; i was highly critical of what he was saying... but note this wording:
02:19 matey; " And it must have a code of conduct/ethics policy"
02:20 matey; here its 2022 and the big agenda is adding a "code of (corporate, hypocritical, whataboutist) 'ethics'" to the existing code of conduct
02:20 matey; and joshua gay already had that on his wishlist in 2019
02:21 schestowitz-TR; without CoC, how can corporations eject people?
02:21 schestowitz-TR; can we have a CoC for rejecting unwanted corporations?
02:21 matey; no because thats reversism
02:21 matey; which is the doctrine that you cant make any conduct or ethical policy that works both ways
02:22 schestowitz-TR; right, and companies are "people"
02:22 schestowitz-TR; and feel "hurt"
02:22 matey; that would defeat the entire goal of it being one-sided, hypocritical, opportunist and altogether bullshit
02:22 schestowitz-TR; microsoct cried for DAYS
02:22 matey; all the way to the swiss bank
02:22 schestowitz-TR; because people said Microsoft was naughty for serving ICE
02:22 matey; right
02:22 matey; instead of thinking about the victims of ice nazis
02:23 matey; we should consider the feelings of people making millions in suits and ties
02:23 matey; goddamnit theyre people too (sort of)
02:24 matey; but the thing is
02:24 matey; the coup has wanted this code of ethics bullshit
02:24 matey; (it is bullshit, because these things are always opportunist, hypocritical and one-sided) since 2019
02:24 matey; "And it must have a code of conduct/ethics policy for all employees and directors" joshua gay
02:25 matey; i dont even know where its from
02:25 TR News; "I've been meaning to try about Sway and Wayland for quite a while and now it's finally happening but was it worth the wait and will I keep using, you'll find out today." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0BLH1QMtiBA
02:25 TR Bot; First Look At Wlroots Wayland: Is It Usable? - Invidious
02:25 matey; but i know i quoted it and then provided my own commentary
02:25 matey; and its dated 2019
02:25 TR News; 7 Privacy-Focused Alternatives to Common Linux Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163291
02:25 TR Bot; 7 Privacy-Focused Alternatives to Common Linux Software | Tux Machines
02:25 matey; it could even be from chat logs for all i know
02:26 DaemonFC; I haven't heard mjg59_ make an opinion on the Microsoft GitHub Loves I.C.E. issue. I'd love to, considering that he was using GitHub I believe, last I checked.
02:26 matey; im 80% sure its from twitter though
02:26 DaemonFC; For his "kernel lockdown" stuff.
02:26 matey; "Here are some ideas to consider as the @fsf board and @johns_FSF plot a course for the future."
02:27 matey; i should also of course give a giant flying fuck about johns_FSF and his feelings
02:27 DaemonFC; Microsoft. Where I.C.E. goes to run their internment camps.
02:27 DaemonFC; Very SJW friendly, those people.
02:27 matey; "the @fsf board and @johns_FSF"
02:27 DaemonFC; Like literally, they comment on his Shitter account and everything.
02:27 matey; johns_fsf left, but the board did their code of ethics anyway
02:27 matey; this year
02:28 DaemonFC; Sometimes even about ME!
02:28 matey; it was josh that wanted it, so it must be a good idea
02:28 DaemonFC; This Ubuntu image is massive.
02:28 DaemonFC; Nearly 3 GB now. :/
02:29 matey; oh and just to tie it into the coup... heres the date
02:29 matey; 18 Sep 2019
02:29 DaemonFC; Remember when it fit on a CD?
02:29 matey; have a coup, wait 3 years, implement what the coup wants and then call it "a failure"
02:29 DaemonFC; Eh, Windows 10 needed at least 16 GB for the thumb drive.
02:29 matey; great plan, fsf
02:29 DaemonFC; Should be enough for anyone, really.
02:29 matey; *thumbs up*
02:30 matey; ) Have an organizational wide policy document that applies to all staff, directors, and representatives. It should explain the purpose of the org, how decisions are made, what its values are, etc. And it must have a code of conduct/ethics policy for all employees and directors
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02:30 matey; they did this in 2022 as well:
02:30 matey; 3) With a real policy framework, consider becoming a true membership org
02:30 matey; "where members can form committees and can be more directly involved."
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02:31 matey; the boards take on this (so far) is to let them nominate board members
02:31 matey; that was implemented in 2022
02:31 matey; josh wanted it two days after stallman was ousted
02:31 matey; techrights called it progress
02:32 matey; i said (2 1/2 years ago) that done wrong, these things would make the fsf more like osi
02:32 matey; with the same vulnerabilities to (further) corporate takeover
02:32 matey; similar to the "transformation" under phipps, followed by microsoft occupying and gutting it
02:33 matey; im sure that wont happen to the fsf though, because of exceptionalism
02:33 matey; the fsf can do exactly what osi did, and magically things wont turn out the same way
02:33 matey; thats the power of gnu
02:33 matey; i guess we will see soon enough
02:34 matey; maybe the state of free software will be "the state of free software and how we can give joshua gay everything he asked for on behalf of whomever"
02:34 matey; by the way, where did he go after he left the fsf?
02:34 matey; maybe it will give us some clue who he was speaking for (no guarantee, it wasnt necessarily tied to his professional work)
02:35 matey; i know that joshua gay isnt the mastermind of all this
02:36 TR News; Links 03/04/2022: 4.14.275 and Otter 1.0.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/otter-1-0-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/otter-1-0-0/
02:36 TR Bot; Links 03/04/2022: 4.14.275 and Otter 1.0.0 | Techrights
02:36 matey; by the way, i should also point this out:
02:36 matey; 4) Holding copyright, the GNU trademark, and setting policy for GNU via control of certain essential documents make you more than just a sponsor of the GNU Project.
02:37 matey; so the next item on the agenda IS to make the fsf to the gnu trademark closer to what lf is to the linux trademark
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02:37 matey; thatll be Great.
02:38 matey; of course when it happens, people will say its a good idea, and paint it as progress
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02:38 matey; they could blow the planet into 5 separate pieces and make it sound like a great idea
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02:39 matey; "theres a chance theyll all just drive off into space, but we suspect that theyll continue their orbit around the sun and it wont plunge say, north america into darkness or face-first collision with asia"
02:39 matey; drift. drive is a funnier picture.
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02:40 schestowitz; http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/04/microsoft-rightly-withdrew-support-for.html
02:40 TR Bot; FOSS Patents: Microsoft rightly withdrew support for ACT | The App(le) Association (which it once created) -- why are Verizon, Intel, AT&T, Verisign still behind advocacy against 99.9% of app developers?
02:40 schestowitz; "I applaud Microsoft for finally (I had been waiting for this for about a year) having withdrawn its support for ACT | The App Association, which by now should more accurately be called ACT | The Apple Association."
02:40 schestowitz; "I applaud Microsoft "
02:40 schestowitz; They paid him
02:40 matey; most likely
02:41 matey; and of course of all the things microsoft supports
02:41 matey; act | apple was the worst of it by far
02:42 matey; hell they could polish their image just by subscribing to a bunch of wank then "withdrawing support"
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02:42 matey; why not
02:42 TR News; "Dr. Roy Schestowitz is the #1 Microsoft hater." http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/04/microsoft-rightly-withdrew-support-for.html
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02:46 TR News; Cisco calling everything clown https://www.fiercetelecom.com/cloud/ciscos-intersight-hci-platform-supports-kubernetes-clusters
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02:46 TR Bot; Ciscos Intersight hybrid cloud supports Kubernetes clusters | Fierce Telecom
02:49 DaemonFC; The new theme in Ubuntu 22.04 is nice at least.
02:51 TR News; Idiots pushing spy meters, in-house surveillance essentially, based on fictional claims of "savings" https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/kettle-trick-save-energy-bills-23527816
02:51 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/kettle-trick-save-energy-bills-23527816 )
02:52 TR News; And pushing spy meters again https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/meter-reading-energy-price-april-23518966
02:52 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/meter-reading-energy-price-april-23518966 )
02:54 TR News; Intelligent [sic] escalator https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-09498-x
02:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nature.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-09498-x
02:54 TR Bot; Intelligent escalator passenger safety management | Scientific Reports
02:54 TR News; Boston Dynamics: when we don't kill people we at least kill people's jobs https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/02/boston_dynamics_robot_stretch/
02:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/02/boston_dynamics_robot_stretch/
02:54 TR Bot; Boston Dynamics' latest robot is a warehouse workhorse The Register
02:56 TR News; Wales Online rewriting Falklands War "history"; our regime will do a lot of work on revisionism, to highlight UK role in a flattering way...
02:58 TR News; April 3: Argentine forces take South Georgia.
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02:59 TR News; forbes propping up scams. "NFT".. "crypto"... "Web3" https://www.forbes.com/sites/hessiejones/2022/04/02/web3-2be-or-not-2be/
02:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/hessiejones/2022/04/02/web3-2be-or-not-2be/
02:59 TR Bot; WEB3: 2Be Or Not 2Be
02:59 TR News; USA TODAY sees Russian invasion that left tens of thousands dead already.... as a BUSINESS issue https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2022/03/27/ukraine-tech-industry-russia-war/9457984002/
02:59 TR Bot; Ukraine is a hotbed of tech talent. disrupted by Russia war
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03:01 TR News; El Reg adopted Microsoft lobbying term, "Big Tech" https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/02/in_brief_security/ see http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
03:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/02/in_brief_security/
03:01 TR Bot; Fraudsters use 'fake emergency data requests' to steal info The Register
03:01 TR Bot; Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights
03:03 TR News; With Windows, even the keyboards stop working properly! https://www.guidingtech.com/top-ways-to-fix-keyboard-lag-on-windows-11/
03:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: guidingtech.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.guidingtech.com/top-ways-to-fix-keyboard-lag-on-windows-11/
03:03 TR Bot; Top 8 Ways to Fix Keyboard Lag on Windows 11 - Guiding Tech
03:04 TR News; Decades-long Microsoft propagandist Paul Thurrott covering up for Microsoft back doors and other inherently security issues https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/265150/google-claims-microsoft-makes-governments-less-secure
03:04 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/265150/google-claims-microsoft-makes-governments-less-secure )
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03:06 TR News; "So, by destructive commands, Viasat meant: modems were commanded by their compromised support servers to run destructive malware." https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/sentinelone_wiper_viasat/
03:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/sentinelone_wiper_viasat/
03:06 TR Bot; Modem-wiping malware caused Viasat broadband outage The Register
03:07 TR News; U.S. Supreme Court takes up copyright battle over Warhol's Prince paintings | Reuters https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/us-supreme-court-decide-copyright-fight-over-warhols-prince-paintings-2022-03-28/ Source: reuters
03:07 TR Bot; Supreme Court takes up copyright battle over Warhol's Prince paintings | Reuters
03:08 TR News; Well, a talent crisis of find-excuses-to-lower-salaries crisis? https://www.afr.com/technology/start-ups-demand-skills-spending-in-budget-to-fix-talent-crisis-20220328-p5a8m0
03:08 TR Bot; Start-ups demand skills spending in budget to fix talent crisis
03:09 TR News; HEY HI or just some computer program they describe using buzzwords? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10659143/AI-software-predict-daily-E-admissions-rolled-100-NHS-hospitals-TODAY.html
03:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: dailymail.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10659143/AI-software-predict-daily-E-admissions-rolled-100-NHS-hospitals-TODAY.html
03:09 TR Bot; AI software that can predict daily A&E admissions is rolled out in 100 NHS hospitals TODAY | Daily Mail Online
03:10 TR News; USA TODAY thinks of war as a BUSINESS issue https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2022/03/27/ukraine-tech-industry-russia-war/9457984002/
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03:11 TR News; US xenophobia https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/baidu_iqiyi_hfcaa_listing/
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03:11 TR Bot; China's Baidu facing US stock exchange delisting The Register
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03:12 TR News; El Reg writes about mindless buzzwords, citing Microsoft propaganda outfit Forrester Research [sic] https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/02/asus-tinker-edge-r-sbc-with-3gb-ram-rockchip-rk3399pro/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Forrester
03:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/02/asus-tinker-edge-r-sbc-with-3gb-ram-rockchip-rk3399pro/
03:12 TR Bot; ASUS Tinker Edge R SBC with 3GB RAM, Rockchip RK3399Pro sells for $179 - CNX Software
03:12 TR Bot; Forrester - Techrights
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03:13 TR News; Microsoft = crime and corruption, Organised Crime https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/valuelicensing_microsoft_latest/
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03:13 TR Bot; Microsoft tries to strike out 270m UKValueLicensing suit The Register
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03:14 TR News; Apple never cared about security; it's a "rat" for the NSA https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/apple_emergency_patches/
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03:14 TR Bot; Apple patches 'exploited' macOS, iOS, iPadOS security bugs The Register
03:16 TR News; "Michael Barker surveys some of the alternative APIs available on various platforms, discussing some of the implementation pitfalls. He also looks at the impact of using these APIs." https://www.infoq.com/presentations/posix-networking-api/
03:16 TR Bot; Beyond POSIX - Adventures in Alternative Networking APIs
03:17 TR News; "Tomorrow will be four years to the day that I started this site." Boosting Gulag. But at least a GNU/Linux based OS. https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/as-lacros-for-chromebooks-nears-is-it-time-for-more-google-chrome-coverage/
03:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: aboutchromebooks.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/as-lacros-for-chromebooks-nears-is-it-time-for-more-google-chrome-coverage/
03:17 TR Bot; As Lacros for Chromebooks nears, is it time for more Google Chrome coverage? About Chromebooks
03:20 TR News; Perfect fit for Microsoft! https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/activision-blizzard-settlement
03:20 TR Bot; Blizzard settles federal sexual harassment suit, but its legal woes are just beginning - Protocol
03:21 TR News; ISIS partner and patent troll Ericsson embraces mindless buzzword to sell hype and more buzzwords https://www.ericsson.com/en/reports-and-papers/ericsson-technology-review/articles/5g-architecture-for-hybrid-and-multi-cloud-environments
03:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ericsson.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ericsson.com/en/reports-and-papers/ericsson-technology-review/articles/5g-architecture-for-hybrid-and-multi-cloud-environments
03:21 TR Bot; architecture for hybrid and multi-cloud environments - Ericsson
03:23 TR News; Mindless greenwashing of massive polluters like Google and Microsoft https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/corporate-procurement/can-24-7-carbon-free-energy-become-a-global-standard see http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/
03:23 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/corporate-procurement/can-24-7-carbon-free-energy-become-a-global-standard )
03:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: canarymedia.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/corporate-procurement/can-24-7-carbon-free-energy-become-a-global-standard
03:23 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights
03:24 TR News; Bitcoins proof of work mechanism is a climate disaster. Environmental groups have a fix. https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/bitcoin-mining-proof-of-work
03:24 TR Bot; groups start bitcoin campaign to reduce energy use - Protocol
03:24 TR News; Get rid of the darn patents; Biden has done virtually nothing except he talked about it. https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/biden-seeks-21b-funding-boost-fda-part-pan-agency-pandemic-preparedness-plan
03:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: fiercebiotech.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/biden-seeks-21b-funding-boost-fda-part-pan-agency-pandemic-preparedness-plan
03:24 TR Bot; Biden seeks $2.1B funding boost for FDA, part of pan-agency pandemic preparedness plan | Fierce Biotech
03:26 TR News; Pushing plagiarism for the Microsoft criminals who came up with this thing https://www.infoworld.com/article/3655991/github-copilot-available-for-microsoft-visual-studio-2022.html see http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/
03:26 TR Bot; Copilot available for Microsoft Visual Studio 2022 | InfoWorld
03:26 TR Bot; [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley (Updated) | Techrights
03:27 TR News; Clown computing hype, as if hosting did not predate the hype wave https://mindmatters.ai/2022/03/getting-started-with-kubernetes-a-brief-history-of-cloud-hosting/
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03:27 TR Bot; Getting Started with Kubernetes: A Brief History of Cloud Hosting | Mind Matters
03:28 TR News; What if OpenSSF does not pursue real security? https://itbrief.co.nz/story/free-security-training-from-the-open-source-security-foundation http://techrights.org/2020/10/30/openssf-microsoft/
03:28 TR Bot; Free security training from the Open Source Security Foundation
03:28 TR Bot; With Microsoft in Charge, OpenSSF Seems More Like Its About Back Doors Not Real Security Inside the Linux Foundation | Techrights
03:29 TR News; Mozilla keeps messing up the Firefox UI https://www.osnews.com/story/134730/firefox-ui-ux-history/
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03:29 TR Bot; UI UX history OSnews
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03:31 TR News; More Linux Foundation puff pieces/ads https://devops.com/fixing-spring4shell-starts-with-software-supply-chain-management/
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03:31 TR Bot; Spring4Shell Starts With Software Supply Chain Management - DevOps.com
03:32 TR News; "OpenStack's 25th release brings the usual crop of new features to the open-source cloud platform, including support for DPUs, better integration with Prometheus and Kubernetes, and a handy un-delete feature for file system shares." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/openstack_yoga_stretches_to_support/
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03:32 TR Bot; OpenStack Yoga marks 12 years of the framework The Register
03:33 TR News; and harms culture https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2022/04/02/side-door-home-concert-app-music-industry-tech-sxsw-presentation-dan-mangan/stories/202203170144
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03:33 TR Bot; tech revolutionizes the music industry, one house concert at a time | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
03:34 TR News; Imagine not being able to add fuel to your car anonymously https://insideevs.com/news/576531/new-charging-protocol-tesla-supercharger-convenience/
03:34 TR Bot; New Charging Protocol May Bring Tesla Supercharger Convenience To All EVs
03:35 TR News; This is the distro I now use on a new machine https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/neon-a-wannabe-linux-distro-for-kde-lovers-86133.html
03:35 TR Bot; A Wannabe Linux Distro For KDE Lovers | LinuxInsider
03:36 TR News; DDOS attack on Techrights at the moment... mitigating
03:37 TR News; NSA developed more malicious spying programs; its concern isn't human rights but people who speak about it https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/nsa_employee_secret_data_leak/
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03:37 TR Bot; NSA employee indicted for 'leaking top secret defense info' The Register
03:38 TR News; Regimes that do not respect the desires of home to be and remain COVID-free https://chicagomaroon.com/article/2022/3/30/classroom-settings-go-mask-optional-starting-april-4/
03:38 TR Bot; Most Classroom Settings to Go Mask-Optional Starting April 4
03:39 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D191.jpg
03:39 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D549.jpg
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04:01 TR News; Roberto Innocenti on Open Hardware PowerPC Notebook | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/open-hardware-powerpc-notebook/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/open-hardware-powerpc-notebook/
04:01 TR Bot; Roberto Innocenti on Open Hardware PowerPC Notebook | Techrights
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04:08 TR News; JWMDesk 3.5.1 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163293
04:08 TR Bot; JWMDesk 3.5.1 released | Tux Machines
04:31 AdmFubar1; Here we go! SHAabM (security hype as a business Model) https://arstechnica.com/?p=1845362
04:31 TR Bot; Explaining Spring4Shell: The Internet security disaster that wasnt | Ars Technica
04:44 TR News; Software Freedom is not enough when hardware becomes increasingly restrictive and opaque. This is where people like Roberto Innocenti step in. http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/open-hardware-powerpc-notebook/
04:44 TR News; Shill and liar IDC promoting the scam of clown computing, using false dichotomies for outsourcing (guess who pays IDC) https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/idc_public_cloud_spending/
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04:45 TR Bot; Public clouds to surpass non-cloud spending this year The Register
04:45 TR News; Resource and energy hog. Go home, Intel. You are drunk. https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/intel-arc-graphics-chips
04:45 TR Bot; launches Arc3 laptop graphics chips - Protocol
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05:00 matey; i finally tried bibliogram
05:01 matey; its not often that i need to look at something on zuckstagram but i wanted to today
05:01 matey; i tried several instances and they were all blocked by zuck, but one worked
05:02 matey; so fb is a little more aggressive than twitter i think when dealing with front ends. not too surprising
05:02 TR News; Can you steal money from a SCAM? Who steals from who? https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/axie-infinity-ronin-hack
05:02 TR Bot; Infinity's Ronin network was hacked, Sky Mavis says - Protocol
05:03 TR News; Exploring the use of tech-based tools in India to curb dissent during protests - Global Voices https://globalvoices.org/2022/04/01/exploring-the-use-of-tech-based-tools-in-india-to-curb-dissent-during-protests/ Source: globalvoices
05:03 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://globalvoices.org/2022/04/01/exploring-the-use-of-tech-based-tools-in-india-to-curb-dissent-during-protests/ )
05:05 activelow; i see, tinycc is LGPLv2
05:05 activelow; which is slightly confusing, how LGPL2 was different to ordinary GPL2
05:06 activelow; aware of the argument LGPLv2 was less restrictive
05:07 activelow; however, i think the restriction of ordinary GPL2 may be void anyway, meaning i question linking against a GPL2 lib or similar implies such linking enforced full copyleft
05:08 activelow; i fail to recognize the argument, a proprietary program must remain and expand copyleft onto itself when linking against a GPL2 library
05:08 activelow; because, this contradicts author's rights fundemenetally, for example, to choose which license applied to the own work
05:10 activelow; even when linking against GPL2; of cause changes to a GPL piece of software must retain GPL copyleft, yet linking to a lib doesn't necessarily imply copyleft covers the proprietary piece
05:10 matey; <activelow> which is slightly confusing, how LGPL2 was different to ordinary GPL2 <- lgpl was made for a few special uses
05:10 matey; its more permissive
05:10 matey; use as needed
05:10 activelow; yes, yet I doubt GPL2 is less permissive/more restrictive in practice
05:11 TR News; Bain = corruption https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/toshiba_bain_sale_plan/
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05:11 TR Bot; Effissimo and Bain plan to take Toshiba private The Register
05:12 activelow; maybe, if they argued #include <gpl-header.h> was different to #include <lgpl-header.h>; however this is a very weak technical argument to say a header inclusion enforced copyleft into where the header included
05:12 TR News; The stupidest gimmick I've seen in years https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4490739
05:12 TR Bot; Dyson Confirms 2022 Launch of Air-Purifying Headphones Delivering Pure Air and Pure Audio | Taiwan News | 2022-03-30 14:30:00
05:13 TR News; Diversity is now "the formerly incarcerated" https://buffalonews.com/news/local/diversity-focused-technology-training-firm-bitwise-coming-to-buffalo/article_18b53c78-aeae-11ec-af1a-3fc233af51b0.html
05:13 TR Bot; technology training firm Bitwise coming to Buffalo | Local News | buffalonews.com
05:13 activelow; except, if GPL2 explicitely stated inclusion of a gpl2-header enforced GPL copyleft into where it is included, which GPL2 doesn't
05:13 TR News; Maybe next year "diversity" will mean "includes criminals" (like Microsoft)
05:14 activelow; meaning the _explicite_ LGPL2 permission to link/include is equivalent to an _implicite_ possibility to do it with GPL2 alike;
05:16 activelow; of cause, i mostly prefer strong copyleft, however i think GPL2 may not offer it since there isn't any expicite clause to prohibit linking/inclusion
05:17 activelow; with regards to copyleft GPL2 is dangerous, because it is prone to both unintended/undesireable copyleft expansion, and unintended avoidance of it
05:18 TR News; Fake money, bullshit money. More "Smart" buzzwords. https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/29/join-us-tomorrow-for-defi-and-the-future-of-programmable-money/
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05:18 TR Bot; us tomorrow for DeFi & The Future of Programmable Money TechCrunch
05:18 TR News; What pertinent skills will these be? Memorising GUIs? https://www.oakdaleleader.com/news/bay-valley-tech-receives-grant-digital-skills-training/
05:18 TR Bot; Bay Valley Tech Receives Grant For Digital Skills Training - Oakdale Leader
05:19 TR News; Self-congratulatory webspam https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/03/b26400498/datastax-recognized-as-a-phenomenal-place-to-work-with-three-comparably-awards
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05:19 TR Bot; Recognized as a Phenomenal Place to Work With Three Comparably Awards - Benzinga
05:20 TR News; "Clicking on links in emails from well-known brands can be dangerous because of brand abuse." https://www.wyomingnewsnow.tv/2022/04/01/cyber-wyoming-tracking-local-phishing-attacks/
05:20 TR Bot; Cyber Wyoming Tracking Local Phishing Attacks
05:21 activelow; furthermore, GPL(2) doesn't distinguish non-commercial ("public domain", "educational", academic) usage from commercial interests
05:22 TR News; Clownflare has become a LOT more aggressive lately against people who do NOT run proprietary JavaScript. That proprietary JavaScript is ITSELF the risk. Clownflare should be eradicated. Clownflare as a company, still not profitable, should cease to exist.
05:22 activelow; i don't appreciate this, for example, as an author i would prefer any work of mine may be 100% for schools/universities, however i object to free as in gratis for commercial business with free software
05:23 activelow; in german copyright law it is called "Verwertungsrechte" (commercial rights), distinguished from authors rights
05:24 activelow; author's rights cannot be transferred, sold, or terminated in any way, and an author may decide to transfer the commercial rights of his work
05:25 activelow; however, GPL doesn't distinguish author's rights and commercial rights (as in Verwertungsrechte)
05:27 activelow; same with LGPL2, which i consider redundant, because i question GPL2 copyleft expansion with both technical arguments, and legal arguments
05:27 activelow; because an #include <gpl2-header.h> does not suffice to consider any piece of software a derivative work of what's included/linked
05:28 activelow; the #include/linking against gpl2.h is a necessity to define what is a derivative work, yet it is _insufficient_, both legally and technically
05:30 activelow; in fact, the _uncertainty_ with GPL2 to define what is a derivative work and what isn't, this uncertainty is worse than an explicite permission with LGPL2
05:30 activelow; and it's a loophole into unnecessary, useless, harmful lawsuits and legal challenges
05:33 matey; i don't appreciate this, for example, as an author i would prefer any work of mine may be 100% for schools/universities, however i object to free as in gratis for commercial business with free software <- this would create greater uncertainty than what is/isnt derivative
05:34 matey; drawing a distinct and reliable line between commercial / non-commercial just takes free licensing and puts it back into the purview of lawyers again
05:34 matey; as things are, you can mostly use gpl without ever hiring a lawyer
05:34 matey; lawyers for big companies dispute this to protect income, but the fact is most people can convey gpl software without it being a big deal
05:35 matey; you start drawing "distinct" lines between commercial and nc, you basically create a minefield where one did not exist before
05:35 matey; its MUCH less useful then
05:35 matey; and as a bonus, it will likely vary from country to country, so thats nice
05:36 matey; cc license with the nc clause have this problem as well
05:36 matey; can you use them in x situation? no one fucking knows, good luck!
05:36 matey; free software doesnt need that shit
05:37 matey; im anti-capitalist, but the license should be neutral on commercial use
05:37 matey; otherwise it will be nuts
05:38 activelow; i do not want to publish with GPL license and see any corrupt business entity benefit
05:42 activelow; to boil up this argument to maximum heat, when thinking about FSF (Europe mainly) and their associates, it is a party politics outlet of "liberals", who discovered various "freedoms" under the banner of "free software"
05:42 activelow; however, in parallel too i remember, who the exact same type of "liberals" and party politics conducted their business in Telco univeristy
05:42 activelow; *how
05:43 activelow; so, they can use the "free software" label, as a marketing gag, to lure developers and users into their sharholder value meat grinder
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05:49 activelow; furthermore, GPL doesn't terminate any other legislation, although it seems implied somehow, basic principles such as salary in return for work
05:50 activelow; then again, "liberals" sneak around the corner, and argue it's "the market" which decided this was in compliance; or GPL simply wasn't suitable when instead proprietary software licenses were
05:50 matey; i do not want to publish with GPL license and see any corrupt business entity benefit <- you probably cant have a license take care of that disctinction and still have it be useful to other people
05:51 matey; theres no such thing as a perfect license-- the more you try to make the license accomplish, the harder it is to pull of the stunt
05:52 matey; there are good licenses, mediocre licenses and terrible licenses, but no perfect license
05:52 matey; mediocre licenses barely accomplish what anyone wants
05:53 matey; terrible licenses screw over the intended audience, usually as a deliberate course of action
05:53 activelow; in compliance with Bern Convention ("author's rights"); this alone already could prevent some mis-understandings
05:53 matey; good licenses accomplish good things, and (preferably) dont balkanise things too much
05:54 activelow; such as, any corrupt business entity must not: use any work of an author without consent, and must state who the author is
05:54 matey; in compliance with Bern Convention ("author's rights"); this alone already could prevent some mis-understandings <- in practice, century-old treaties havent had too much impact on free software licensing and are mostly commented on to troll and spread fud imo
05:54 activelow; GPL2, nor any other license, could terminate those rights - except if there was legal aspects i am not aware of
05:55 activelow; *could not
05:55 activelow; GPL2, nor any other license, could _not_ terminate those rights - except if there was legal aspects i am not aware of
05:55 matey; GPL2, nor any other license, could terminate those rights <- perhaps not, but if not then its not likely a problem
05:57 matey; fsf(europe) in my opinion is corrupt, by google and whatever else
05:57 matey; arguably worse than the other fsfs
05:58 matey; not originally, but in the past few years at least
05:58 activelow; party politics outlet
05:58 activelow; that's why, we see "ethical license" and similar now, because there is various different political parties, each with their own ideas
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06:02 matey; from what i know of these parties, its inaccurate to make it about parties at all
06:02 matey; "ethical license" and similar now <- this isnt about parties
06:03 activelow; in germany it is party politics, and this is what it is about here, and the interests involved, which is cash grabbing
06:03 matey; its about political left opportunists (minimal overlap with actual party agendas) who are in it for themselves, and dont give a damn about a a party, or its members, or even the people the license would allegedly server
06:03 matey; serve
06:03 matey; and its crap basically
06:03 matey; they are politically left but they dont care about their own allies
06:04 matey; and their potential allies (who get nothing in exchange and gather no benefit from this opportunism) either awkwardly and naively support it, or...
06:04 matey; just as often, the opportunism can find no support from its own "side" and jumps to the other side to further its (selfish, opportunistic) agenda
06:05 matey; in that sense it couldnt be less about a party than it is
06:05 matey; its just about promoting nonsense and painting it left or right or centrist
06:06 matey; when surveillance capitalist megacorporations (superficially) join forces with these people
06:06 matey; you can tell who theyre doing it for. themselves.
06:06 matey; the solution to shit politics is non-shit politics
06:07 matey; free software has done non-shit politics for years, but the opportunists have (mostly) won (for now)
06:07 matey; it could change anytime (and often does when not expected)
06:07 matey; technically speaking at least
06:08 matey; in germany it is party politics, and this is what it is about here, and the interests involved, which is cash grabbing <- google doesnt care about german party political agendas
06:08 matey; it simply wants to buy influence at fsfe
06:08 matey; theres some truth to what youre saying even then, but its part of a larger picture
06:09 activelow; german party politics are awkward, which is, it is a shallow facade, of supposedly multiple parties existing, when instead their prominence is what i consider centrally controlled
06:09 activelow; by the "Atlantik Brcke"/Washington/Pentagon
06:09 matey; the eu certainly complicates all this-- but it too cares less about party politics
06:10 activelow; eu is rigged
06:10 matey; mostly by germany and francy
06:10 matey; france
06:10 matey; there are outside influences of course
06:10 activelow; nope, EU apparatus sanctioned those who were compliant with EU contracts, and benefit those who violated them
06:10 matey; money is like that
06:11 activelow; even worse, although i wouldn't consider EU "democratic", i consider EU not _constitutional_
06:12 activelow; rule of law
06:13 activelow; which is, compensated instead, with "higher" morality in this apparatus, and higher intellect which escapes mine
06:13 activelow; since ICE/immigration were mentioned today, it's better i not begin with my argument
06:13 activelow; which is moot, anyway, because it's past, it's history
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06:24 TR News; Rich companies are using a quiet tactic to block lawsuits: bankruptcy https://text.npr.org/1082871843
06:24 TR Bot; Rich companies are using a quiet tactic to block lawsuits: bankruptcy
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06:24 TR News; "The actor Will Smith does not have an official Twitter account." https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/will-smith-twitter-oscars-slap-1235221706/
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06:24 TR Bot; That Will Smith: Twitter Users Bombard Exec After Oscars Slap Flap - Variety
06:26 TR News; "When I want to charge my wireless mouse now, I dont need to plug in a cord or place it on a dock. In fact, I dont think about charging at all." https://www.theverge.com/23005435/magic-mouse-apple-logitech-powerplay
06:26 TR Bot; The real magic mouse is made by Logitech, not Apple - The Verge
06:27 TR News; Gulag https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/1/23006132/google-patient-reviews-hipaa-doctors-yelp
06:27 TR Bot; Writing Google reviews about patients is actually a HIPAA violation - The Verge
06:31 TR News; "While certain cryptocurrencies have entered the real world via traditional means of payment like credit cards, the vast majority remain completely intangible" https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/business/21285-5-most-interesting-cryptos-in-the-market.html
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06:31 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/business/21285-5-most-interesting-cryptos-in-the-market.html )
06:37 TR News; The copyright cartel deserves nothing short of boycott https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-targets-popular-youtube-ripper-with-60-million-monthly-visits-220402/
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06:37 TR Bot; Targets Popular YouTube Ripper With 60 Million Monthly Visits * TorrentFreak
06:38 TR News; This needs to happen in every company https://robertreich.org/post/680432413956030464
06:38 TR Bot; Robert Reich (Amazon workers astounding win, and how corporate...)
06:39 TR News; "European Union lawmakers on Thursday backed tougher traceability rules for transfers of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, in a move the industry said would erode privacy" https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/03/31/eu-lawmakers-target-crypto-transfers-in-battle-against-money-laundering
06:39 TR Bot; lawmakers back tough traceability rules on crypto transfers in fight against money laundering | Euronews
06:39 TR News; "Russia says it will end cooperation with other nations on the International Space Station until the sanctions put on the country are lifted." https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/2/23007575/russia-suspend-iss-cooperation-sanctions-lifted-ukraine-space-nasa
06:39 TR Bot; Russia says it will suspend ISS cooperation until sanctions are lifted - The Verge
06:40 TR News; Misinformation/Disinformation in "influencing" clothing https://www.economist.com/business/2022/04/02/the-business-of-influencing-is-not-frivolous-its-serious
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06:40 TR Bot; business of influencing is not frivolous. Its serious | The Economist
06:41 TR News; Media lies https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/media-lies-presenter-mocks-journalists/
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06:41 TR Bot; Media lies presenter mocks journalists but gets her facts wrong
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06:42 TR News; "I find myself enabling JS in uBlock Origin for page after page after page, even if just temporarily, in order to visit them at all. Are web designers not aware that a big chunk of people hate JS? Do modern frameworks not support JS free designs at all?" gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-02-everything-breaks-experiencing-the-web-without-javascript.gmi
06:44 TR News; "(If you have the sources checked out, please note that I just switched the default branch from "master" to "main".)" gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-04-02_Halberds_and_Helmets because racist companies asked...
06:45 TR News; Boycott SweatshopZone (Amazom) https://text.npr.org/1090353185
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06:45 TR Bot; He was fired by Amazon 2 years ago. Now he's the force behind the company's 1st union
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06:55 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, April 02, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
06:55 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
06:55 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
06:55 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
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07:05 TR News; OpenStack | Gemini address: OpenStack
07:06 TR News; Links 03/04/2022: OpenStack and JWMDesk 3.5.1 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/jwmdesk-3-5-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/jwmdesk-3-5-1/
07:06 TR Bot; Links 03/04/2022: OpenStack and JWMDesk 3.5.1 | Techrights
07:06 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163294
07:06 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
07:06 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163295
07:06 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
07:06 TR News; Servers: OpenStack and Clown Computing Hype Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163296
07:06 TR Bot; Servers: OpenStack and 'Clown Computing' Hype | Tux Machines
07:07 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163297
07:07 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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08:07 TR News; WSL is NOT "ubuntu"; it is just Microsoft's ATTACK on GNU/Linux https://windowsreport.com/windows-11-ubuntu-error/
08:07 TR Bot; How to fix Windows 11's Ubuntu error
08:08 TR News; Early versions of Ubuntu came with a Mandela video. Now, Ubuntu versions come with 'love letters' to criminals from Microsoft.
08:10 TR News; [GIT PULL] RISC-V Patches for the 5.18 Merge Window, Part 2 - Palmer Dabbelt https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/mhng-e0c01ab7-020f-4264-91da-0852f7e89534@palmer-mbp2014/
08:10 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] RISC-V Patches for the 5.18 Merge Window, Part 2 - Palmer Dabbelt
08:12 TR News; Microsoft fires people who do not participate in crimes, protects criminals. This company should be kept around until every last executive is prosecuted and arrested. Then their and the company's accounts should be emptied, paid back in compensation to their victims.
08:13 TR News; Also, regarding Linux Foundation, it needs to deal with crime and corruption it has internally before it gathers the aucacity to lecture the community about ethics, manners
08:14 TR News; 192: Fedora 36, Ubuntu 22.04, Deepin, Rolling Rhino Remix, Parrot OS and more Linux news! https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/this-week-in-linux/twil-192/
08:14 TR Bot; Fedora 36, Ubuntu 22.04, Deepin, Rolling Rhino Remix, Parrot OS and more Linux news! - TuxDigital
08:16 TR News; Microsoft Terminated Us For Not Participating In An Orgy https://web.archive.org/web/20120521162529/http://www.aviransplace.com/2010/01/25/microsoft-banned-us-for-not-participating-in-an-orgy/
08:16 TR Bot; Microsoft Terminated Us For Not Participating In An Orgy | Avirans Place
08:17 TR News; "EIMs personnel refused to participate in the drug and sex party which caused Microsoft to cancel their agreement and terminate their distributor license, which caused EIM a 50% loss in revenue." https://web.archive.org/web/20120521162529/http://www.aviransplace.com/2010/01/25/microsoft-banned-us-for-not-participating-in-an-orgy/
08:17 TR News; Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988
08:17 TR Bot; Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines
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08:20 TR News; Linux Foundation: organisation that puts shackles on the hands of Linux's founder while helping reputation laundering by criminal companies (that also attack Linux) and gagging their critics/exposers. Linux Foundation = crime enabler, corruption supplies. IRS may have already put it under investigation.
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08:25 schestowitz-TR; hi, foxpup
08:26 TR News; Lawyers are the ones CAUSING the pressure. Inverting the narratives much? This spin became typical 2-3 years ago. https://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/40-wellness-tips-to-help-lawyers-cope-with-job-pressure
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08:26 TR Bot; 40 wellness tips to help lawyers cope with job pressure
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08:27 TR News; Now even the name 'Yellowstone' is being hijacked by the copyright cartel
08:28 TR News; Gulag is being facetious https://emerging-europe.com/business/start-ups-and-tech-will-be-key-to-rebuilding-google-launches-ukraine-support-fund/ Gulag PROFITS from war and also see http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/donetsk-and-gulag-or-google-now-bans-parts-of-ukraine-for-being-invaded-by-russia/
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08:28 TR Bot; 'Start-ups and tech will be key to rebuilding': Google launches Ukraine Support Fund
08:28 TR Bot; When Sanctions Go Toxic: Google, Co-Founded by Moscovite, Agrees With Moscow and Recognises Mariupol (Ukraine) as a Part of Russia | Techrights
08:29 TR News; As the economy rots the local radio is promoting GAMBLING https://wpst.com/50-grand-winning-lottery-ticket-from-grocery-store-in-hamilton-nj/
08:29 TR Bot; $50 Grand Winning Lottery Ticket From Food Store in Hamilton, NJ
08:30 TR News; Powered by GNU/Linux https://www.eetimes.eu/apex-ai-leverages-ros-for-autonomous-driving/
08:31 TR News; Rotten Apple on the same side of Koch. Think about it when you buy Apple's "i" crap. https://www.pymnts.com/legal/2022/apple-wins-koch-group-support-over-epic-games-lawsuit/
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08:31 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
08:32 TR News; Apple facing new $5.5 billion App Store antitrust lawsuit in the Netherlands https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/226850
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08:32 TR Bot; Apple facing new $5.5 billion App Store antitrust lawsuit in the Netherlands - General Discussion Discussions on AppleInsider Forums
08:35 TR News; Apple "crashing" https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/5-1-crash-report-help.2339776/
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08:35 TR Bot; 5,1 crash report help | MacRumors Forums
08:36 TR News; Richard Stallman on Steve Jobs Death https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=PJu9UkokzkY
08:36 TR Bot; Richard Stallman on Steve Jobs Death - Invidious
08:36 TR News; Richard Stallman: Steve Jobs Did Some Very Bad Things http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/rms-steve-jobs-2013/
08:36 TR Bot; Richard Stallman: Steve Jobs Did Some Very Bad Things | Techrights
08:37 TR News; Steve Jobs offered to pay Linus Torvalds to STOP developing Linux, according to Torvalds
08:38 TR News; As if we don't have enough humans already http://www.montana.edu/news/21972/msu-graduate-student-on-frontier-of-adapting-robots-to-work-better-with-humans
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08:38 TR Bot; MSU News | Montana State University
08:38 TR News; Brave 1.37: new sidebar, custom new tab backgrounds and privacy improvements Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163298
08:38 TR Bot; Brave 1.37: new sidebar, custom new tab backgrounds and privacy improvements | Tux Machines
08:40 TR News; Bailouts at taxpayers' expense, without actually helping the taxpayers in dire need of assistance https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/competes_act_senate/
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08:40 TR Bot; Senate passes America COMPETES Act and its chip subsidies The Register
08:41 TR News; Say oligarchs. I dare you. But uou know who owns and controls media... https://khmoradio.com/see-missouris-list-of-the-top-6-billionaires-in-the-state/
08:41 TR Bot; See Missouri's List of The Top 6 Billionaires in The State
08:41 TR News; Apex.AI Leverages ROS for Autonomous Driving Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163299
08:41 TR Bot; Apex.AI Leverages ROS for Autonomous Driving | Tux Machines
08:41 TR News; The open source way with artist Jasmine Becket-Griffith of Strangeling.com Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163300
08:41 TR Bot; The open source way with artist Jasmine Becket-Griffith of Strangeling.com | Tux Machines
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08:44 TR News; "Network equipment maker Ubiquiti on Tuesday filed a lawsuit against infosec journalist Brian Krebs, alleging he defamed the company by falsely accusing the firm of covering up a cyber-attack." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/ubiquiti_brian_krebs/
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08:44 TR Bot; Ubiquiti sues infosec journo for defamation over hack report The Register
08:45 TR News; When are the criminals from Microsoft going to be charged and arrested too? https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/twilio-employees-sec-insider-trading
08:45 TR Bot; Charges Twilio Employees in $1 Million Insider Trading case - Protocol
08:46 TR News; Proprietary software is always deceptive https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/ftc-intuit-turbotax
08:46 TR Bot; FTC says Intuits TurboTax free tax filing claim is deceptive - Protocol
08:48 TR News; "SSL and its descendent, TLS, are protocols that encrypt internet traffic, making secure internet communication and ecommerce possible." They do, in turn, create other problems https://www.csoonline.com/article/3246212/what-is-ssl-how-ssl-certificates-enable-encrypted-communication.html
08:48 TR Bot; What is SSL? How SSL certificates enable encrypted communication | CSO Online
08:48 TR News; Is this the End of the road for elementary OS? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163301
08:48 TR Bot; Is this the End of the road for elementary OS? | Tux Machines
08:51 TR News; Not everyone carries these spying devices. Moreover, IMO, nobody at all should carry them. https://securitytoday.com/articles/2022/04/01/mobile-ticketing-to-the-rescue.aspx
08:51 TR Bot; Mobile Ticketing to the Rescue -- Security Today
08:52 TR News; Destroying the minds of many young people https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/reels-tiktok-instagram-spam
08:52 TR Bot; most popular Reels are coming from anonymous accounts - Protocol
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08:55 TR News; "SteamOS 3.0 is a Linux distribution based on Arch Linux, mostly designed to play your Steam games on non PC machines. It is mostly open source with some proprietary components, meaning a port for exploited devices such as a Jailbroken PS4 is a possibility." https://wololo.net/2022/03/28/release-steamos-3-0-for-ps4-unofficial/
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08:55 TR Bot; SteamOS 3.0 for PS4 (unofficial) - Wololo.net
08:55 TR News; steam deck clown gaming - Reviewed https://www.reviewed.com/laptops/features/steam-deck-cloud-gaming Source: reviewed
08:55 TR Bot; deck cloud gaming - Reviewed
08:57 TR News; Apple 'quality': "I upgraded the processor and SSD in my late 2012 iMac. About once a day it crashes and gives me error reports like the one pasted below." https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/late-2012-imac-kernel-panic-after-processor-and-ssd-upgrade.2340189/
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08:57 TR Bot; Late 2012 iMac Kernel Panic after Processor and SSD Upgrade | MacRumors Forums
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08:57 TR News; "Dr Lynn Woods, Professor in the Department of Doctoral Programs, School of Nursing, Azusa Pacific University, provides further analysis of Latinx & dementia, including systems of healing & the challenge of behavioural symptoms" https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/latinx-dementia-symptoms-challenges/132831/
08:57 TR Bot; Latinx & dementia: The challenge of behavioural symptoms
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09:00 TR News; This data should not be routed through USA, either https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/yandex-russia-ios-android-data
09:00 TR Bot; Yandex routing iOS, Android user data to Russia - Protocol
09:01 TR News; This would only increase the level of surveillance https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/dma-messaging-apps
09:01 TR Bot; WhatsApp could be forced to work together - Protocol
09:01 TR News; "Zulip today announced the release of Zulip Server 5.0, a major update that marks a release of the Zulip server and web applications." https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/566879815/zulip-leading-open-source-team-collaboration-tool-releases-server-5-0
09:01 TR Bot; Zulip, Leading Open-Source Team Collaboration Tool Releases Server 5.0 - EIN Presswire
09:02 TR News; "The U.S. Supreme Court will review a ruling that an Andy Warhol print infringed a photo of Prince as it weighs non-software fair use for the first time in decades." https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/warhol-prince-photo-case-brings-fair-use-debate-to-high-court
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09:02 TR Bot; NO TITLE
09:03 TR News; "Apps" became synonymous with surveillance https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2022/04/03/with-mysejahtera-in-the-spotlight-experts-say-scrutiny-definitely-needed-to/2051225
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09:03 TR Bot; With MySejahtera in the spotlight, experts say scrutiny definitely needed to ensure data properly utilised | Malaysia | Malay Mail
09:04 TR News; Energy wasting. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/meet-btrusts-abubakar-nur-khalil-africas-bitcoin-innovation-savior
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09:04 TR News; Peak Employment???? The US economy collapsed, but Wall Street Times wants the population to be in denial about it. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/business/dealbook/jobs-numbers-employment.html
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09:05 TR News; Will Facial Recognition Technologies hasten our descent to a mass surveillance State? - TheLeaflet https://theleaflet.in/will-facial-recognition-technologies-hasten-our-descent-to-a-mass-surveillance-state/ Source: theleaflet
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09:06 TR News; They are not "crypto"; this has nothing to do with crypto https://www.businessinsider.com/check-out-the-28-crypto-startups-y-combinator-latest-batch-2022-3?r=US&IR=T
09:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: businessinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businessinsider.com/check-out-the-28-crypto-startups-y-combinator-latest-batch-2022-3?r=US&IR=T
09:07 TR News; US colleges controlled by the Pentagon by financial means https://www2.lehigh.edu/news/lehigh-and-the-us-army-research-lab-announce-25-million-cooperative-agreement-to-develop-next
09:08 TR News; McKinsey has its own big share of scandals. Nobody should take McKinseys advice. https://fortune.com/2022/04/01/mckinsey-rules-building-effective-team-support-cfo/
09:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: fortune.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fortune.com/2022/04/01/mckinsey-rules-building-effective-team-support-cfo/
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09:08 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
09:09 TR News; It's not free. They spy on you and more. https://www.fiercetelecom.com/broadband/charter-joins-verizon-comcast-offering-free-internet-acp-participants
09:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: fiercetelecom.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fiercetelecom.com/broadband/charter-joins-verizon-comcast-offering-free-internet-acp-participants
09:09 TR Bot; Charter joins Verizon, Comcast in offering free internet for ACP participants | Fierce Telecom
09:10 TR News; "Sage Invest in Progress" = patronising race card to make PR stunts https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/03/31/2413945/0/en/Sage-and-The-BOSS-Network-announce-35-awardees-of-the-2022-Sage-Invest-in-Progress-grants.html
09:10 TR Bot; Sage and The BOSS Network announce 35 awardees of the2022
09:10 TR News; World Wide Web: Definition, history and facts | Live Science https://www.livescience.com/world-wide-web Source: livescience
09:10 TR Bot; World Wide Web: Definition, history and facts | Live Science
09:23 TR News; Zlib crash-an-app bug finally squashed, 17 years later https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/zlib_data_bug/
09:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/zlib_data_bug/
09:23 TR Bot; Zlib crash-an-app bug finally squashed, 17 years later The Register
09:24 TR News; Facebook has no reasons to even exist https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/meta-tiktok-targeted-victory
09:24 TR Bot; paid for a smear campaign against TikTok - Protocol
09:25 TR News; LinkedIn is dying. Microsoft too. There are layoffs in both. https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/linkedin-instagram-creator-tools also Epstein links: http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/linked-in-to-pedophilia/
09:25 TR Bot; adds new tools for creators - Protocol
09:25 TR Bot; Linked In to Pedophilia | Techrights
09:26 TR News; Smmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaart https://skarredghost.com/2022/03/30/mojo-vision-smart-contact-lenses-feature-complete/ nonssense and gimmicks
09:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: skarredghost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://skarredghost.com/2022/03/30/mojo-vision-smart-contact-lenses-feature-complete/
09:26 TR Bot; Mojo Vision smart contact lenses are now "feature complete" - The Ghost Howls
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09:28 TR News; FIDO Alliance = FIDO/FIDO2 cargo cult https://www.prweb.com/releases/2022/3/prweb18584578.htm see http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/
09:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: prweb.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prweb.com/releases/2022/3/prweb18584578.htm
09:28 TR Bot; Vault Vision announces expanded security capabilities with OpenID Foundation and FIDO Alliance partnerships
09:28 TR Bot; A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights
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10:11 bnchs; this is to all the brave users out there
10:11 bnchs; https://files.catbox.moe/ypge4d.png
10:11 TR Bot; connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/ypge4d.png )
10:12 bnchs; brave has a fingerprinting issue
10:12 bnchs; and because of this
10:13 bnchs; you can fingerprint users even on "tor mode"
10:13 bnchs; so the anonymity of tor is ruined
10:14 bnchs; of course, whats retarded is brave's mitigration of this fingerprint vulnerability
10:15 bnchs; they inserted a fake voice that was an alias to the first voice into the list
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10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 70.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 120.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 242.20
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11:16 DaemonFC; <bnchs> you can fingerprint users even on "tor mode"
11:17 DaemonFC; Because the underlying browser is Chromium, it's going to be basically impossible to try to defeat tracking. Tor Mode is bullshit.
11:18 DaemonFC; The Lake County Health Department would now rank #1 most hated government agency in the county, I'm certain, if anyone conducted a poll. And the Illinois State Department of Health would beat out IDOR.
11:19 DaemonFC; For years, at the federal level, the most despised government agency was the IRS. Now I'm sure it would be the CDC.
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11:19 DaemonFC; It's funny how when people lose everything like this, that those people stop caring what the taxes would be like if they were to still have a job.
11:20 DaemonFC; The whole COVID pandemic was a smokescreen to implement Agenda 21.
11:20 DaemonFC; Even as people come out of the stupor of the last two years, they find that they still can't afford to leave the house or do much due to hyperinflation that's especially hitting food, and gas prices.
11:21 DaemonFC; I have no doubt the virus was real. "Sustainable development" includes population control.
11:21 DaemonFC; A small fraction of that is deliberately murdering the elderly and the infirm with the virus, and then most of the rest is making people unable to afford children, or sterile due to the side effects of the vaccines.
11:22 DaemonFC; The government controls the fertility statistics.
11:23 DaemonFC; They can just keep saying people don't have many children and nobody really knows why. "Maybe it's the economy." while they fry their reproductive system over and over again with "boosters".
11:24 DaemonFC; schestowitz, Bill Gates was giving a speech the other day. He said Omicron was unfortunate due to the fact that it appears to give much better immunity than the vaccines and was so mild that it blew through in a month and then has mostly gone away.
11:24 DaemonFC; All that lost revenue....
11:25 DaemonFC; It's not just the COVID shots that do reproductive harm.
11:25 DaemonFC; There's obviously been agents in the food and drinking water for some time that do that too.
11:26 DaemonFC; The count and quality of male semen has been in severe decline over the past 40 years or so in the United States. I'm pretty sure other developed countries. They're doing something to us.
11:26 DaemonFC; It's "managing the herd".
11:27 DaemonFC; Maybe they don't even have to add agents to do that. Maybe they just cause poor people to subsist on ramen noodles instead of fresh vegetables and high quality protein sources because they can't afford a proper diet anymore.
11:28 DaemonFC; I don't know who would buy this meat substitute crap Bill Gates is invested in. It's always going to have an off putting taste about it.
11:29 DaemonFC; They can't seem to mask it no matter what they do, and the stuff is much much worse than ground beef. They toss in loads of salt. It's anything but natural.
11:30 DaemonFC; "Europe turned out to be the continent where LA21 was best accepted and most implemented.[9]" (Local Agenda 21)
11:30 DaemonFC; Yeah, and activelow is broke.
11:30 DaemonFC; Agenda 21. $10 a gallon gas and food bills 2.5 times as high as the US.
11:31 DaemonFC; Biden's sure trying to make up for lost time though.
11:32 DaemonFC; "A June 2012 poll of 1,300 United States voters by the American Planning Association found that 9% supported Agenda 21, 6% opposed it, and 85% thought they didn't have enough information to form an opinion.[16]"
11:32 DaemonFC; The poll probably did not mention the United Nations or anything about Agenda 21's goal of reducing living standards.
11:32 DaemonFC; And the UN doesn't go out of their way to make it clear what Agenda 21 really is.
11:33 DaemonFC; Just mentioning the United Nations in the poll would be enough to throw most of the undecideds against it. It's like Microsoft and Coca Cola. They keep their branding off GitHub and orange juice, because they don't want people to know.
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11:35 bnchs__; <DaemonFC> Because the underlying browser is Chromium, it's going to be basically impossible to try to defeat tracking. Tor Mode is bullshit.
11:35 bnchs__; yes
11:35 bnchs__; the browser stands out like a sore thumb among other tor users
11:35 bnchs__; i don't know how brave thought of implementing tor in their browser
11:36 DaemonFC; "There's a country where 12% of the population has to hide from right-wing fascists in the government. They come wearing costumes and flashing badges. It's all very official. When they find the people they are looking to arrest, they put them on trucks and take them to internment camps where they're given a bar code. Once there, they have no idea what will happen to them next. Many die in the camps, and some are raped by guards, including the
11:36 DaemonFC; children. The majority of the population of this country doesn't want to know what happens in the camps and tells you to think happy happy thoughts instead."
11:37 DaemonFC; It's not Nazi Germany in the 1930s. It's America now. And the people who don't want to feel guilty are not German, they're my parents.
11:37 bnchs__; there's a website
11:38 DaemonFC; mjg59_, What's your opinion on GitHub (Microsoft) collaborating with these folks? (I.C.E.)
11:38 bnchs__; browserleaks.neocities.org
11:38 bnchs__; it performs fingerprint tests in brave browser
11:38 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Do you still use it?
11:38 bnchs__; using a fingerprint vulnerability found in SpeechSynthesis
11:38 bnchs__; to this day, brave hasn't fixed it
11:38 bnchs__; to this day, you can still fingerprint across tor mode and regular mode
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11:40 bnchs__; https://browserleaks.neocities.org/brave/SpeechSynthesis.html
11:40 TR Bot; SpeechSynthesis - Brave
11:44 bnchs__; i'm pretty sure tor browser's solution to this problem would be....
11:44 bnchs__; disabling speechsynthesis entirely
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11:55 bnchs__; "if you've seen this tiktok"
11:55 bnchs__; who calls videos "tiktok"
11:55 bnchs__; thats like calling videos hosted on youtube "youtube"
11:55 bnchs__; "if you've seen this youtube"
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12:03 bnchs__; https://arquivo.pt/noFrame/replay/19961013225752/http://www.microsoft.com:80/corpinfo/bill-g/column/1996essay/censorship.htm
12:03 TR Bot; Searching for middle ground in online censorship
12:03 bnchs__; bill gates essay about internet censorship
12:12 bnchs__; schestowitz: whats the code to your anti-cloudflare IRC bot
12:15 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4TPzosgrQA
12:15 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=H4TPzosgrQA
12:15 TR Bot; yewtu.be | 10 Used-Cars to AVOID for BAD Engine - as per Consumer Reports - Invidious
12:15 DaemonFC; Many are KIA or Hyundai.
12:15 DaemonFC; Big pieces of shit.
12:15 DaemonFC; Engine fires nd cheap engine bearings just causing the thing to fail with a grinding noise at some point.
12:16 DaemonFC; There's a BMW on there. He says the engine usually fails before it reaches 100,000 miles.
12:16 bnchs__; should you replace web.archive.org
12:16 bnchs__; with https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/?
12:16 TR Bot; Time Travel
12:17 bnchs__; this website searches hundreds of archives
12:18 bnchs__; for a Memento (basically a web archive moment)
12:18 bnchs__; of that site
12:18 bnchs__; like searx
12:20 bnchs__; ok here's an example
12:20 bnchs__; http://timetravel.mementoweb.org/list/20190224060626/http://google.com
12:20 TR Bot; Mementos for http://google.com around 2019-02-24: http://mementoweb.org/list/20190224120609/http://google.com #memento -
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12:34 DaemonFC; https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/gazprom-halts-gas-shipments-europe-critical-pipeline
12:34 TR Bot; Halts Gas Shipments To Europe Via Critical Pipeline | ZeroHedge
12:34 DaemonFC; Article says Gazprom cut off supplies to the UK, but I've seen figures that say that the UK doesn't import any Russian gas.
12:38 bnchs__; https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/2022/http://www.zerohedge.com/energy/gazprom-halts-gas-shipments-europe-critical-pipeline
12:38 TR Bot; Gazprom Halts Gas Shipments To Europe Via Critical Pipeline | ZeroHedge
12:38 bnchs__; test API
12:38 bnchs__; it redirects to web.archive.org (because it's the only archive that has archived this URL)
12:42 DaemonFC; https://www.wsj.com/articles/positive-drug-tests-among-u-s-workers-hit-two-decade-high-11648603800
↺ https://www.wsj.com/articles/positive-drug-tests-among-u-s-workers-hit-two-decade-high-11648603800
12:42 TR Bot; Drug Tests Among U.S. Workers Hit Two-Decade High - WSJ
12:43 DaemonFC; Employers are starting to give up on drug tests, at least until you have an accident and they test you to see if they can get out of paying for it.
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12:44 bnchs__; " The Coalition to Stop Net Censorship asked everyone, everywhere, to turn their World Wide Web pages black for 48 hours after Clinton signed the bill to show just how many people would be affected by the bill. It was a tremendous show of support. We thank everyone who helped out. "
12:44 bnchs__; back when the Communications Decency Act was signed
12:44 bnchs__; pages turned black
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12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 50.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 84.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 257.31
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13:20 TR News; Green Party Renews Calls for Green New Deal in State Budget https://howiehawkins.us/green-party-renews-calls-for-green-new-deal-in-state-budget/
13:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: howiehawkins.us | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://howiehawkins.us/green-party-renews-calls-for-green-new-deal-in-state-budget/
13:20 TR Bot; Green Party Renews Calls for Green New Deal in State Budget | Howie Hawkins for our Future
13:20 TR News; Xfces Apps Update for March 2022: New Releases of Orange, Xfdashboard, Xfce Terminal Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163302
13:20 TR Bot; Xfces Apps Update for March 2022: New Releases of Orange, Xfdashboard, Xfce Terminal | Tux Machines
13:29 TR News; Today I got so tired doing the 3-hour video that I had to stop halfway, go take a nap, then resume with a part 2 over an hour later. First time this happens.
13:39 bnchs__; should you really record for 3 hours?
13:40 schestowitz-TR; it's more time-efficient if done in one go
13:41 bnchs__; well ok
13:41 bnchs__; i wanted to ask you wheres the code for the altlink bot
13:41 schestowitz-TR; if I have two files, I need to encode twice
13:41 immibis; DaemonFC: do you or do you not believe in liberty?
13:41 schestowitz-TR; the process is mostly automated though, it's just that it needs to be invoked twice
13:41 bnchs__; schestowitz-TR: do you ever encode multi-threaded?
13:41 bnchs__; and/or use hardware encoding?
13:42 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: it's with ffmpeg
13:42 schestowitz-TR; it uses up all the cpu cores
13:42 bnchs__; really?
13:43 bnchs__; oh ffmpeg uses multi-threading by default
13:43 schestowitz-TR; I wanted to distribute the load across multiple machines, but found no tools to do this with ffmpeg
13:43 schestowitz-TR; unless you split the file and reassemble from different nodes/machines at the end
13:44 schestowitz-TR; one minute of video can be 24x60 frames
13:44 immibis; you don't want to split by frames because you'll get non-optimal keyframes
13:44 immibis; maybe it's possible to run one pass to decide on keyframes and then encode each section
13:45 schestowitz-TR; that's 86.4k frames an hour
13:45 schestowitz-TR; immibis: or buy a monster machine for like 20,000 $ lol
13:45 bnchs__; ll
13:45 schestowitz-TR; which would be idle like 99% of the time
13:45 immibis; this is actually an ideal use case for clown
13:45 bnchs__; how do you plan to split load across machines
13:46 immibis; if you want a monster machine for like 5 minutes
13:46 bnchs__; you might aswell just buy like 16 CPUs
13:46 bnchs__; and insert them all in one motherboard
13:46 bnchs__; maybe 32
13:46 schestowitz-TR; I have here 4,4,2,2,2,2 CPU cores
13:46 immibis; 32-socket motherboards do not exist
13:46 schestowitz-TR; total 16
13:47 immibis; If you want cores have a look on ebay or ewaste recyclers for servers. I was seeing ~$500 for iirc 16-core dual socket machines.
13:48 immibis; (16 cores in total)
13:48 immibis; older generation ones
13:48 bnchs__; well i guess
13:48 schestowitz-TR; these longer videos are now urgent
13:48 schestowitz-TR; I don't mind the laptop going for 10 hours
13:49 immibis; also i'm serious when I say that renting a monster machine for 5 minutes is an ideal use case for clown
13:49 schestowitz-TR; i just distribute the tasks across to other machine
13:49 schestowitz-TR; but anyway, next time I won't start doing a long video after just 4 hours of sleep
13:49 *XRevan86 spent way too much time debunking Russian propaganda regarding the Bucha massacre.
13:49 bnchs__; immibis, should you really use it?
13:50 XRevan86; Their attempts at murking the truth are pathetic.
13:51 immibis; bnchs__: does it do what you want for a reasonable price?
13:51 bnchs__; and?
13:51 bnchs__; how do you get the data back
13:52 bnchs__; and what if the conversion takes more than 5 minutes
13:53 immibis; bnchs__: you download it?
13:53 immibis; and if it takes longer than 5 minutes you rent it for more than 5 minutes?
13:53 immibis; have you ever used clown computing?
13:54 bnchs__; no i actually buy computers
13:55 bnchs__; immibis, ok what if you wanna install a different OS in the clozn
13:57 immibis; bnchs__: throw it away and get a new one
13:57 immibis; bnchs__: the saying "cattle, not pets" applies
13:58 *psydroid2 would build a private clown
13:58 bnchs__; well i don't wanna use the clown
13:58 psydroid2; *create
13:58 immibis; bnchs__: even if you don't like clown it seems a bit shortsighted to artificially restrict your horizons. All major clowns give you free trials of one sort or another
13:58 immibis; you may as well know how it works
13:58 immibis; psydroid2: people do that, although if you only have a couple of servers, it seems silly. Sometimes it leads to people using stupid numbers of VMs/containers just to justify their private clown
13:59 bnchs__; what if i wanna do processing offline
13:59 immibis; like turning their website into microservices
13:59 immibis; bnchs__: then you can't use clown, because by definition it is someone else's server that you access through the internet
13:59 bnchs__; so basically
13:59 bnchs__; internet outage (which is everytime here)
13:59 immibis; can you upload videos during an internet outage?
13:59 bnchs__; means no access to the clown?
14:00 psydroid2; immibis, I wouldn't do that, I would just share my private clown with my friends
14:00 bnchs__; lol upload speed 0.5KB/s
14:00 bnchs__; clown would be retarded with that kind of speed
14:00 bnchs__; might aswell just buy a server
14:00 immibis; bnchs__: do you even know what the context for this conversation is?
14:00 bnchs__; yeah
14:00 bnchs__; processing videos
14:00 immibis; it wasn't bitcoin mining. it was processing videos to upload
14:00 bnchs__; yeah
14:00 bnchs__; but first you have to upload the video
14:00 bnchs__; with shit speed and constant outage
14:00 immibis; in fact, if your upload speed is that terrible, it will probably be FASTER uploading one copy and then processing it on someone else's server
14:01 immibis; (assuming the goal is to generate multiple copies in different formats, and not to compress the first copy)
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14:02 bnchs__; and i wasn't talking about bitcoin mining
14:02 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13423ymAjFg
14:02 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=13423ymAjFg
14:02 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Pink nosed cat with a weird meow and her friends are so cute - Invidious
14:20 TR News; kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree - kbuild: Make $(LLVM) more flexible https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=e9c281928c24dfeb86b11c31b53757b6a127f8aa Source: git
14:20 TR Bot; kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree
14:20 TR News; GNU Coreutils under attack from Microsoft (criminals) GitHub https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rust-uutils-0.0.13
14:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rust-uutils-0.0.13
↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rust-uutils-0.0.13
14:20 TR Bot; 0.0.13 Released For GNU Coreutils Replacement In Rust - Phoronix
14:21 TR News; Claws Mail 3.19.0 and 4.1.0 unleashed Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163303
14:21 TR Bot; Claws Mail 3.19.0 and 4.1.0 unleashed | Tux Machines
14:22 TR News; [GIT pull] x86/urgent for v5.18-rc1 - Thomas Gleixner https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/164897467026.360450.9213450977031549110.tglx@xen13/ Source: xen13
14:22 TR Bot; [GIT pull] x86/urgent for v5.18-rc1 - Thomas Gleixner
14:23 TR News; Slackware-current: "My repository now contains a new set of libreoffice-7.3.2 packages for Slackware 15.0 and -current." https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/libreoffice-7-3-2-ungoogled-chromium-100/
14:23 TR Bot; Libreoffice 7.3.2, Ungoogled-Chromium 100 | Alien Pastures
14:28 TR News; Worried That Your Phone Is Spying On You? Try A Different OS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163304
14:28 TR Bot; Worried That Your Phone Is Spying On You? Try A Different OS | Tux Machines
14:29 bnchs__; schestowitz: i know i asked this alot, but wheres the source code for altlink_63e
14:29 Alternative link; https://mypdns.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/214
14:29 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/2203301
14:29 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/ZAve2X9.jpg created on 2022-03-30 00:20:57.325961
14:29 bnchs__; wtf it made an issue?
14:30 bnchs__; god damn it
14:31 TR News; Lightning talk: Volunteering at the FSF https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/lightning-talk-volunteering-at-the-fsf/
14:31 TR Bot; Lightning talk: Volunteering at the FSF GNU MediaGoblin
14:33 TR News; "A lightning talk is a five-minute presentation on any topic that you think would be interesting to a group of free software users, hackers, and activists. Anyone can give a lightning talk at LibrePlanet." https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/lightning-talk-real-world-gnu-linux-story-from-istanbul/
14:33 TR Bot; Lightning talk: Real world GNU/Linux story from Istanbul GNU MediaGoblin
14:42 matey; bnchs__ whats this about?
14:42 matey; /me is curious
14:45 MinceR; bnchs__: i think the people in #deCloudflare know
14:47 matey; mincer: ?
14:48 MinceR; matey: the bot that warns about crimeflare
14:48 matey; what happened to it
14:48 MinceR; \_()_/
14:48 matey; it isnt here anymore?
14:48 MinceR; apparently bnchs__ wants the source code
14:49 MinceR; it's here
14:49 matey; i usually ignore it, but im not against it
14:49 MinceR; and if its nick is mentioned, it makes an issue :>
14:49 matey; lol
14:49 matey; thats a very low-entry route to bug reports
14:49 MinceR; indeed
14:49 MinceR; must be annoying for the developers
14:50 matey; i mean they made it that way
14:50 matey; presumably its what they wanted
14:50 MinceR; :>
14:50 matey; "and i can BREAK you too!" dr frankenfurter
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14:50 TR Bot; Matthew Wise Explains Why Social Control Media is Bad and We Need to Revert Back to Private, Self-Hosted Blogging | Techrights
14:51 bnchs__; matey: uhhh
14:51 bnchs__; i wanted the source code to altlink_***
14:51 bnchs__; and apparently
14:51 bnchs__; made an issue because i mentioned it
14:51 bnchs__; on the repo's issues
14:51 matey; seems like a non problem really
14:52 matey; you found the repo
14:52 bnchs__; nah it didn't have it
14:52 matey; what?
14:52 matey; the issues are there but the source is not?
14:52 bnchs__; lemme check with a quick search
14:53 matey; its a proprietary clown bot!
14:53 matey; /me ops himself and charges laser
14:53 matey; that is funny though, sort of
14:53 MinceR; imma chargin mah laser
14:54 bnchs__; i don't know why would the dev make it so that it makes an issue automaitcally when you ping it
14:54 bnchs__; that's just dumb
14:54 matey; its a very low entry route to bug reports
14:54 bnchs__; yeah but just make it a PM
14:55 bnchs__; or something
14:55 bnchs__; not publicly
14:55 matey; if it were my bot
14:55 matey; i would have it tell the user:
14:55 bnchs__; https://mypdns.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/blob/master/subfiles/service.altlink_irc.md
14:55 TR Bot; subfiles/service.altlink_irc.md master Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
14:55 bnchs__; "You can find altlink_xxx only on: #techrights"
14:55 matey; "type 'confirm report' in the next 5 minutes to send previous mention of my irc handle to repo issues"
14:56 TR News; Add WiFi HaLow to Raspberry Pi with ALFA Network AHPI7292S HAT - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/03/add-wifi-halow-to-raspberry-pi-with-alfa-network-ahpi7292s-hat/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
14:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/03/add-wifi-halow-to-raspberry-pi-with-alfa-network-ahpi7292s-hat/
14:56 TR Bot; Add WiFi HaLow to Raspberry Pi with ALFA Network AHPI7292S HAT - CNX Software
14:56 MinceR; got lions and tigers only in kenya
14:56 matey; oh my
14:56 bnchs__; there's no source code
14:56 bnchs__; even on https://mypdns.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/blob/master/subfiles/service.altlink.md
14:56 TR Bot; subfiles/service.altlink.md master Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
14:56 bnchs__; no source code
14:56 MinceR; again, they have a channel on this network
14:56 matey; and the channel logs every post to it in issues :)
14:57 bnchs__; nice
14:57 matey; im joking-- probably
14:57 matey; i mean it COULD
14:57 TR News; 5 Best Puzzle Games for Linux To Sharpen Your Intelligence https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-puzzle-games-for-linux/ Source: UbuntuPIT | GNU | Linux
14:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntupit.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-puzzle-games-for-linux/
14:57 TR Bot; 5 Best Puzzle Games for Linux To Sharpen Your Intelligence
14:57 matey; not sure why it wouldnt, really :) except they probably log it separately
14:57 bnchs__; MinceR: which is empty?
14:58 TR News; Qt 6.3 Promises Improved Wayland Support with Custom Shell Extensions [Dev update] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163305
14:58 TR Bot; Qt 6.3 Promises Improved Wayland Support with Custom Shell Extensions [Dev update] | Tux Machines
14:58 matey; does it have the bot at least?
14:58 matey; the bot probably logs
14:58 matey; if its the only thing there
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 98.00 average k/sec., average swarm size 244.68
14:59 bnchs__; roy uhhhh can you explain?
14:59 bnchs__; why is this one bot that has no source code?
15:00 matey; /me is curious why roy would know
15:01 bnchs__; i mean i wanted to modify it a bit
15:01 matey; as far as i know the bot is about as understood to us as the monolith in 2001 / 2010
15:01 matey; <bnchs__> i mean i wanted to modify it a bit <- thats entirely reasonable
15:01 bnchs__; and see how it detected cloudflare
15:02 matey; hmm
15:02 matey; if i was trying to detect cloudflare, i would use two approaches
15:02 matey; the bot may have a better method
15:03 bnchs__; yeah thats why i'm interested in it
15:03 matey; i would use the following two approaches and either one of course would trip the detection flag (OR logic)
15:03 matey; the first pass would try to grab the page with torsocks. if it got the captcha, cloudflare confirmed
15:03 schestowitz; altlink is nor our bot
15:03 schestowitz; it's free sofrware
15:03 schestowitz; I cannot recall the URL
15:03 schestowitz; it's run by ciphrCat
15:03 matey; free software without source code
15:04 bnchs__; oh i get it
15:04 schestowitz; I did not check
15:05 schestowitz; scrolling up, I see you've pulled the URL already
15:05 schestowitz; I remember seeing config files or code
15:05 matey; ciphrcat is logged in, but has been idle for 202765 seconds? (does the math to see if thats plausible)
15:05 matey; or code
15:05 matey; o rnot
15:05 schestowitz; maybe there are multiple repos/sites
15:06 bnchs__; the URL (decloudflare) doesn't really have the source code i think
15:06 matey; 202765 seconds is 140 dys
15:06 *techrights_guest|43 (~1bbe3343@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
15:06 matey; thats a lot of idle
15:06 schestowitz; seems wrong
15:06 matey; also a really solid connection
15:06 schestowitz; I recall him saying something weeks ago
15:06 matey; /me shrugs
15:07 bnchs__; hmm lemme check again
15:07 schestowitz; best to ask ciphrCat
15:07 schestowitz; i used to think he was french, seems belgian (close enough)
15:07 schestowitz; usually lurking
15:07 matey; maybe hes a chef
15:08 *techrights_guest|43 has quit (Quit: Connection closed)
15:08 matey; could be canadian
15:08 matey; they have chefs in canada i think
15:09 bnchs__; the repo doesn't have any source code related to altlink
15:09 bnchs__; only documents and examples of it
15:10 matey; just an old copy of nethack
15:10 bnchs__; and judging from this bot being hosted by another user
15:10 bnchs__; are you sure it's free software?
15:10 *ziraffep (~ziraffep@s8bte32nwnceg.irc) has joined #techrights
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15:10 matey; and something by a guy named "flynn"
15:10 matey; space paranoids
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15:12 matey; it was modified to create the early versions of systemd
15:13 matey; originally called "mcp" but it doesnt say what it stands for
15:13 bnchs__; i could reverse engineer the bot
15:13 matey; how? is there a binary?
15:13 bnchs__; because the documentations don't say anything about how it works
15:13 bnchs__; matey: test it with a few
15:13 bnchs__; URLs*
15:14 matey; wow
15:14 matey; youd still be closed off to the bulk of useful output
15:14 matey; like what it tries to connect to
15:14 bnchs__; yeah thats the problem
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15:15 bnchs__; lemme guess
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15:15 matey; if you had a binary you could try decompiling or runnign strace
15:15 bnchs__; gitlab.com
15:15 bnchs__; https://gitlab.com/
15:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gitlab.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gitlab.com/
15:15 TR Bot; NO TITLE
15:15 matey; which is technically illegal i guess if you write code based on it
15:15 bnchs__; matey: obviously what i'm doing is guessing how it works
15:16 bnchs__; clean room reverse engineering
15:16 matey; mmhmm
15:16 matey; im not casting any aspersions on your methods, only on my own "suggestions"
15:16 bnchs__; yes
15:17 matey; if it were under an mit license at least
15:17 matey; maybe you could "dirty room" rev engineer it without any worries
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15:17 matey; ive never heard of such a thing, and im not a lawyer, so this is speculation
15:18 bnchs__; i'm guessing that it's looking up the DNS domain and see if it routes to cloudflare servers
15:18 matey; well that was the other method i was going to suggest
15:18 matey; get the ip
15:19 matey; then try to access it directly
15:19 matey; and if its clownflare the computer will say no
15:19 matey; just a guess
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15:20 matey; this way you dont need a hardcoded list of clownflare addresses
15:20 matey; you go based on the response
15:21 matey; but if its trivial to get a full list of their addresses, theres no problem with that
15:21 matey; youd just have to update it from time to time
15:24 bnchs__; matey: useful resource: https://checkforcloudflare.selesti.com/
15:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: selesti.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://checkforcloudflare.selesti.com/
15:24 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://checkforcloudflare.selesti.com/ )
15:24 bnchs__; it seems like this site checks more than just DNS and SSL
15:24 bnchs__; it checks the HTTP headers for cloudflare-related shit
15:25 matey; hmm
15:25 matey; i wouldnt have thought of that
15:25 bnchs__; the DNS lookup also relies on checking the nameservers
15:26 bnchs__; if it detects cloudflare nameservers like becky.ns.cloudflare.com
15:27 bnchs__; so there's a few things
15:27 matey; what are you going to do with it
15:28 bnchs__; 1. do a NS lookup on the domain, check for cloudflare-related nameservers 2. access the site 3. check the HTTP headers and SSL certificate
15:28 matey; id make a list of websites that dont use cf
15:28 bnchs__; taking notes
15:28 bnchs__; maybe i would cache the list
15:28 bnchs__; for a week or something
15:28 matey; why a week?
15:29 matey; it would be cool to have a list of websites that dont use cf or some other crap like bitchninja or suckuri firewall
15:29 matey; the ncurses guy uses suckuri, its annoying
15:30 bnchs__; heres the thing
15:30 bnchs__; what if the site stops using cloudflare
15:30 matey; sourcefudge is getting increasingly aggressive against anonymised visitors, but its still trivial to get around
15:30 bnchs__; you would indefinitely cache the list
15:31 bnchs__; you would just check the domain after a week
15:31 bnchs__; just in case
15:31 bnchs__; wouldn't indefinitely*
15:31 matey; you would indefinitely cache the list <- i wouldnt check it every week
15:31 matey; maybe every couple months or a few times a year
15:31 matey; i dont think admins have a change of heart that often
15:31 bnchs__; ok what if they do
15:32 matey; i think youre wasting a lot of processing power but its yours to do what you want with so
15:32 bnchs__; well ok
15:32 matey; im talking about efficiency, youre talking about accuracy. either approach has merits
15:32 bnchs__; lets raise it up
15:32 matey; i wouldnt try to tell you to do it my way
15:32 bnchs__; maybe every couple of months right?
15:32 matey; sure, thats a good number i guess
15:34 bnchs__; i wanna replace the hardcoded web.archive.org link to something
15:34 bnchs__; something like https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/
15:34 TR Bot; Time Travel
15:34 matey; is that a thing?
15:34 bnchs__; yeah it's like searx but for archives
15:34 matey; ooohhh
15:35 bnchs__; it would be better
15:35 matey; im getting pretty tired of ias shit really
15:35 matey; theyre fsf-ing themselves
15:36 bnchs__; here's an example
15:36 bnchs__; http://timetravel.mementoweb.org/list/20141202233330/http://google.com
15:36 TR Bot; Mementos for http://google.com around 2014-12-02: http://mementoweb.org/list/20141202220550/http://google.com #memento -
15:36 schestowitz-TR; ias?
15:36 matey; but given the size of their collection of course i hope for better
15:36 schestowitz-TR; ia?
15:36 matey; internet archive, possessive, minus apostrophes
15:36 bnchs__; archives closest to december 2nd 2014
15:36 schestowitz-TR; ia is still great
15:36 schestowitz-TR; but could always improve
15:36 matey; its a wonderful collection
15:36 bnchs__; it's sorted from the earilest to the oldest
15:36 schestowitz-TR; it was mentioned in libreplanet
15:37 matey; well imo theyve been a bit full of shit for a couple years
15:37 matey; it was mentioned in libreplanet <- that doesnt help
15:37 schestowitz; in this talk http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/amin-bandali-small-web/
15:37 TR Bot; Amin Bandalis New Talk About the Net Beyond the Web (Including Gemini) | Techrights
15:37 matey; the founder was a keynote speaker
15:37 matey; a year or two ago
15:37 bnchs__; IA has been a little slow latey
15:37 bnchs__; lately*
15:37 matey; kahle
15:37 matey; brewster
15:37 schestowitz-TR; yes, they hasd technical difficulties
15:38 matey; a few years ago, the archive stopped being as nice to use
15:38 matey; they changed something
15:38 bnchs__; i also hate their ebook DRM
15:38 psydroid2; altlink_63e is really full of shit too, isn't it?
15:38 Alternative link; https://mypdns.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/215
15:38 matey; <bnchs__> i also hate their ebook DRM <- i hate the entire organisation for their ebook drm
15:38 bnchs__; also their iframe version doesn't work well
15:38 matey; i understand why they did it, i forgive it partly, but refuse to excuse it fully
15:38 matey; iframes are from the devil
15:38 bnchs__; all of the (internet archive links) point to the regular versin
15:39 MinceR; bnchs__: dunno, /list told me it had 7 users
15:39 schestowitz-TR; i herad about their book drm, did not look into it to understand or verify, it does raise concerns about their direction
15:39 bnchs__; matey: iframe version is because i hate the IA javascript and shit
15:39 *psydroid2 wonders how much of the web is actually worth saving
15:39 matey; did not look into it to understand or verify <- libraries + drm = !libraries
15:39 schestowitz-TR; and makes you wonder if there are forces/pressures in play outside plain sight
15:39 bnchs__; using the iframe version meant that the IA-replaced links point to the regular version anyway
15:39 bnchs__; unlike other archives
15:39 matey; libraries since the dawn of commercial publishers and copyright, have existed at odds with publishers
15:40 matey; this isnt the libraries fault, as lending books actually INCREASES sales
15:40 matey; but publishers are dicks
15:40 matey; repeat: publishers are dicks
15:40 schestowitz-TR; [15:38] <matey> iframes are from the devil
15:40 schestowitz-TR; they are, BUT...
15:40 matey; the only thing that allows libraries to exist (because publishers have long sought to destroy them) is first sale doctrine
15:40 schestowitz-TR; sometimes they're one way to dodge JS and spurious CSS
15:40 schestowitz-TR; I can give examples
15:41 matey; dmca for example, negates first sale for anything with drm
15:41 bnchs__; yes
15:41 matey; <schestowitz-TR> I can give examples <- i doubt i would care
15:41 schestowitz-TR; ok
15:41 matey; drm poses an existential threat to libraries.
15:41 bnchs__; like check out memento's API
15:41 matey; for ia to embrace drm is treachery at best
15:41 matey; they call themselves a library
15:41 bnchs__; https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/20220304153500/http://techrights.org
15:41 TR Bot; Welcome to Techrights
15:41 matey; it used to be true. its sort of de facto true now
15:42 matey; theyre a library holding a gun to their own head
15:42 matey; i still use the archive of course
15:42 matey; but im NOT HAPPY about the direction theyre going in
15:42 matey; it looks like sabotage from a few angles.
15:42 matey; its a very important resource.
15:42 matey; understatement
15:42 TR News; Where does wiki spam come from? gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-04-03_Where_does_wiki_spam_come_from%3F
15:42 matey; alternatives are not a threat, but a boon
15:43 matey; of course it depends, like all things
15:43 matey; i know kahle believes hes doing the right thing
15:44 matey; but its a bit too close to what mozilla did with eme
15:44 matey; mozilla stood by while the internet got stabbed in the back
15:44 bnchs__; still i wouldn't like the links to depend on IA only
15:44 matey; kahle stood by while the same things happened to the largest library online (afaik)
15:44 matey; its not good!
15:45 matey; he made the same blunder as mozilla imo-- maybe without any corruption
15:45 matey; but ia has other major issues, sort of complicated to explain
15:45 matey; go back in time and use ia then, youd see what i mean
15:45 matey; "omg this is so much better"
15:46 matey; theyre kneecapping it, whether because theyre hitting capacity (doubtful) or because of corruption (i wouldnt rule it out) or some other dumbfuck reason
15:46 TR News; "Interested in what people do instead of using Usenet, I looked at Internet Archive Schoolar. I haven't found nothing more relevant than paper from 2013." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi
15:46 matey; and anyone who thinks theyre going to "unkneecap it" later is ignoring history
15:46 TR News; "I sent first posts to Usenet from almost 30 years. While looking for available nntp (text only) servers I found out something new" gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi
15:47 matey; this is a slope greased with graphene nanotube superlubricant
15:47 TR News; Is There A Better Hard Drive Metaphor Is There A Better Hard Drive Metaphor gemini://marginalia.nu/log/53-better-hard-drive-metaphor.gmi
15:47 matey; because its so bloody important i still hope for better, against the odds
15:48 matey; you can rebuild gnu, but if the ia is gone its fucking gone
15:48 matey; i suppose you could (very theoretically) mirror it
15:48 matey; that would be one fucking hell of a mirror
15:48 bnchs__; yeah
15:48 bnchs__; you gonna need thousands of hard drives
15:48 bnchs__; and maybe ZFS
15:49 matey; bezos could do it, too bad hes evil and insane
15:49 TR News; "During that time of *integrity*, it was still the ones that came from families with money who were regarded as la creme de la creme." gemini://thurk.org/blog/552.gmi
15:49 bnchs__; also memento is good for IA blacklisted websites
15:49 bnchs__; like 4chan
15:49 matey; musk would fuck it up
15:49 matey; he would do everything right then change his mind before the launch
15:49 matey; musk was going to put photos of space in the public domain like nasa does
15:50 matey; then he was like na, fuck it-- pay me
15:50 bnchs__; "This service is provided by the Los Alamos National Laboratory. Unfortunately, the URL you were searching for is blocked by our service, which means that no Mementos are returned in the result list. Please note, however, that it is entirely possible that Mementos exist in one or more publicly available web archives."
15:50 matey; motherfucker like you dont already get grants up the arse
15:50 bnchs__; nevermind nevermind
15:50 matey; piece of subway-inventing skynet car building bullshit
15:50 TR News; "Last year for computers has died on me. Or rather, the USB-C card has died, which for a computer that charges with usb-c is the same as being dead." gemini://iveqy.com/gemlog/2022-04-03_evil_usb.gmi
15:51 matey; bnchs__ <- are you saying lanl runs the entire memento thing, just an instance, or just the website archived by it?
15:51 bnchs__; no
15:51 bnchs__; it's simply a search archive
15:52 matey; ok
15:52 bnchs__; you can search for mementos without it
15:52 matey; alright
15:53 TR News; Claws Mail 4.1 Adds Text Zooming in the Message View, Many Other New Features Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163308
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15:53 bnchs__; like a search engine
15:53 matey; i got that but not the details
15:53 matey; i suppose i should look at it at some point :)
15:53 bnchs__; mementos is a IETF specification i think
15:53 matey; really
15:53 matey; for archiving?
15:54 bnchs__; https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc7089
15:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ietf.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc7089
15:54 TR Bot; RFC 7089 - HTTP Framework for Time-Based Access to Resource States -- Memento
15:54 matey; /me is easy to impress with knowledge of rfcs
15:54 bnchs__; timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/19950101153500/http://microsoft.com
15:54 matey; "youre internet people"
15:54 TR Bot; Cloud, Computers, Apps & Gaming
15:55 bnchs__; forgot
15:55 bnchs__; https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/19950101153500/http://microsoft.com
15:55 TR Bot; Microsoft Corporation
15:55 bnchs__; redirects to a portugese web archive
15:55 matey; really?
15:56 matey; this is as weird as the dark web (slightly tongue in cheek, but its always interesting to find parts of the net you didnt know existed)
15:56 matey; id love to know what makes kahle tick
15:57 matey; most of the time ive known hes existed hes been a bit of a hero
15:57 bnchs__; well it's the earlist archive of microsoft.com (beats IA by 6 days)
15:57 matey; but like rms hes the sort that isnt too forward-thinking about successors
15:57 matey; well it's the earlist archive of microsoft.com (beats IA by 6 days) <- impressive
15:58 matey; 1995 is when they lifted the restrictions on commercial use i think
15:58 bnchs__; it's 13 October 1996
15:58 matey; in 1994 you could get a book full of "urls" but most were to gopher, the web was still wet behind the ears
15:58 bnchs__; but i picked 1995 just in case
15:59 matey; i first got on the web in 95 or 96
15:59 bnchs__; https://arquivo.pt/noFrame/replay/19961013190236/http://www.microsoft.com:80/corpinfo/bill-g/column/1996essay/censorship.htm
16:00 TR Bot; Searching for middle ground in online censorship
16:00 matey; in 92 or 93 someone told me to get a telnet to some university blah blah "internet" and i thought they were nuts
16:00 bnchs__; oh wait this is the month where communications deceney acts was signed
16:00 matey; its not like you could just look this up on wikipedia you know
16:00 bnchs__; decency*
16:00 matey; and i wasnt in the habit of using my access to bbss as a search engine
16:01 matey; i mostly just looked for freeware with it
16:02 matey; but someone did tell me about the internet in the early 90s
16:02 matey; and funnier than that, it was a mac person
16:02 matey; go figure
16:02 bnchs__; ok in CDA days
16:02 bnchs__; they turned their websites black?
16:02 bnchs__; why the fuck
16:02 matey; just like sopa-pipa
16:03 matey; reddit and wikipedia did that too
16:03 matey; i didnt know there was a historical precident
16:03 bnchs__; they turned their pages black 2 days after clinton signed the communications decency acts
16:03 bnchs__; https://arquivo.pt/noFrame/replay/19961013163030/http://www.vtw.org:80/speech/
16:03 TR Bot; VTW Focus on Internet Censorship legislation
16:03 matey; clinton was also the dmca (thanks, dick)
16:04 matey; clinton was also the copyright term extension act that kept mickey mouse from going into the public domain
16:04 bnchs__; yes disney bribed congress
16:04 matey; at the expense of public access to decades of other words (fucking dick)
16:05 matey; and congress took it in the arse
16:05 bnchs__; to sign the copyright extension bill
16:05 matey; traitors every single one
16:05 matey; except the couple who probably didnt sign (theres always one)
16:05 matey; there will never be a free society under capitalism
16:05 matey; it will always be run by the corporations
16:06 bnchs__; there will be a secret money reward if you sign
16:06 bnchs__; so sign like a good boy
16:06 matey; oh lessig did a great job explaining how legalised bribery works
16:06 matey; "rebooting democracy"
16:06 matey; great talk (dartmouth)
16:06 matey; on youtube
16:06 matey; highly recommended
16:06 matey; shows why usian politics are a complete farce
16:06 matey; dollarocracy
16:07 matey; i actually sent lessig an article i wrote for roy
16:08 matey; i think rms is more important than lessig (lessig probably thinks so too) but lessig is just all kinds of badass
16:08 matey; fucking shame what happened to cc
16:08 matey; again, the path to the future for cc was to do what linksvayer suggested
16:09 matey; complete mystery how he ended up at github
16:09 matey; brett gaylor did a pretty amazing docu with lessig and girltalk as centrepieces, but then he went to work for mozilla and the planned sequel was never made
16:09 matey; also on youtube. and ia.
16:09 TR News; Techrights now has about 100GB of videos. They do cover a lot of corruption in national patent offices. Total time of videos probably around 200-300 hours.
16:10 matey; but in technical terms its a bit sloppy and plays fast and loose with definitions
16:10 matey; other than that its good
16:10 TR News; This talk is about Haven. For more information see Havens site at havenweb.org. http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/matthew-wise-on-haven/
16:10 TR Bot; Matthew Wise Explains Why Social Control Media is Bad and We Need to Revert Back to Private, Self-Hosted Blogging | Techrights
16:11 matey; lessig said he thinks with video-- ALL VIDEO
16:11 matey; you should just be able to quote anything, like you can with writing
16:11 matey; clip, snippet, copy, paste
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16:12 matey; and people do, but its complicated
16:12 bnchs__; i like how the websites turned black for 2 days (even yahoo) after clinton signed the bill
16:12 matey; and if you do it with music youre fucked
16:12 bnchs__; usually if a bill like this gets signed in 2022
16:12 bnchs__; everyone would suck it like a good boy
16:12 matey; usually if a bill like this gets signed in 2022 <- again, reddit and wikipedia did the same thing in response to sopa/pipa
16:13 matey; but that was before reddit fucked itself
16:13 matey; usually if a bill like this gets signed in 2022 <- yes thats true
16:13 matey; everything is a dick sucking contest now
16:13 bnchs__; they use covers like anti-pedo
16:13 matey; thats not new either
16:14 bnchs__; and anti-terrorism
16:14 matey; adolf hitler: "thinks of the children!" *then gasses countless numbers of children*
16:14 bnchs__; people had their own websites
16:14 matey; anti-terrorism: n. "we can do terrorism but YOU CANT" (also you cant do things we dont like or we will conflate it with terrorism)
16:15 bnchs__; and there wasn't upboats or downboats in mailing lists
16:16 matey; /me still doesnt understand how it would be POSSIBLE for gerwitz to stop emails from pocock, even though theres little doubt the latter was censored
16:16 matey; but by gerwitz? how?
16:16 matey; when was he in charge of such things
16:17 bnchs__; who's gerwitz and who's pocock
16:17 matey; pocock is a sometimes "contributor" to techrights
16:17 bnchs__; oh
16:17 matey; meaning he sometimes emails roy and roy sometimes mirrors articles hes written
16:17 bnchs__; stop emails as in gerwitz blocked him?
16:17 matey; hes the one who exposed corruption at fsfe and censorship at fsf
16:17 matey; well heres the thing
16:18 matey; pocock probably had some emails to rms blocked-- this i do not doubt
16:18 matey; allegedly gerwitz may have been involved somehow-- this i dont understand how its possible (gerwitz being involved)
16:18 matey; now for your other question
16:18 bnchs__; blocked the emails for gerwitz alone?
16:18 bnchs__; or the entire mail server?
16:18 matey; (mike) gerwitz gave a surprisingly good talk at libreplanet 2022
16:19 matey; ok so heres how it allegedly goes:
16:19 matey; pocock email -> | gerwitz | rms
16:19 matey; gerwitz prevents rms from getting it
16:19 bnchs__; oh so you're saying
16:19 matey; an i dont doubt that happened-- im only scpetical that gerwitz was the person responsible
16:19 bnchs__; that gerwitz was in control of rms' incoming mail server
16:20 bnchs__; and managed to block pocock's email address?
16:20 matey; im saying i dont know how he would be... but we are talking about fsf staff no mattre what
16:20 matey; this is rms@fsf or rms@gnu
16:20 matey; either way, fsf infrastructure
16:20 matey; someone was in charge of it when the email didnt go through
16:20 bnchs__; well are you sure that it's just a technical issue
16:20 matey; im not aware that gerwitz ever had that position
16:21 bnchs__; not a blacklisting thing?
16:21 matey; we can always blame a technical issue
16:21 matey; blacklisting is likely in this instance
16:21 matey; theres never censorship that cant be brushed away as a technical problem
16:21 bnchs__; did the problem get fixed?
16:21 matey; i dont know, ive also had problems emailing him
16:21 bnchs__; or did he not report the problem at all
16:22 matey; where even his autoresponder didnt respond
16:22 bnchs__; matey: maybe it's a technical problem
16:22 matey; which i found suspicious
16:22 bnchs__; i mean even i emailed him
16:22 matey; ive been emailing him for many years, i have some idea what a normal response is
16:22 bnchs__; and it didn't go through
16:22 bnchs__; so it might be
16:22 matey; yeah it could be a technical issue. always a possibility
16:22 bnchs__; there's no way i could get blocked
16:23 matey; i mean its not even impossible for a cosmic particle to strike the server and cause an email to get lost
16:23 matey; though the magnetic field around the earth blocks most of them
16:23 bnchs__; this is more than just one email
16:24 matey; at any rate, i dont doubt censorship
16:24 bnchs__; i had problems emailing him
16:24 matey; im mostly intrigued that gerwitz could be implicated in this
16:24 matey; as im very sceptical of that
16:25 matey; and you know i dont have a high opinion of most fsf people, but the gerwitz/censorship connection doesnt ring true for me at all
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16:25 matey; im not inclined to leave it alone until i learn more
16:25 matey; though i will give up on it eventually if theres nothing forthcoming
16:25 matey; i mean, this isnt a white whale for me
16:25 bnchs__; i mean
16:25 bnchs__; you do you
16:25 bnchs__; investigate as much as you like
16:25 matey; mostly im just curious
16:25 bnchs__; but i doubt it's censorship
16:26 bnchs__; and more of a technical issue on rms' end
16:26 matey; actually, what id like to if theres a way gerwitz even COULD be at fault
16:26 matey; i didnt think he was in charge of this even.
16:26 matey; when was he a moderator, for example
16:27 matey; i think the gerwitz part is bunk. what id like to know is WHY it is. id rather have more of a response to it than "i think its probably bunk"
16:28 matey; proving it wasnt censorship would also clear him but i figure thats a lot more difficult to prove
16:28 matey; alternatively if it really was his fault id be just as interested in that truth
16:28 matey; as sceptical as i am
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16:29 matey; pocock isnt very easily cornered on anything
16:29 matey; you cant get much out of him on this, which doesnt help
16:29 bnchs__; maybe investigate without holding bias against the staff
16:29 matey; <bnchs__> maybe investigate without holding bias against the staff <- funnily enough thats what im doing
16:30 matey; but the fsf is not known for transparency and wont be useful in this
16:30 matey; theyre ridiculously opaque, roy has even critiqued them for it
16:30 matey; something he and i agree on
16:30 matey; or at least did agree on (i still do, who knows what his position is now)
16:31 bnchs__; how do you give your project to the GNU
16:32 matey; you register
16:32 matey; i presume it generally involves sending an email
16:32 bnchs__; to whom?
16:32 matey; which may get a response
16:32 matey; one of the biggest complaints is that responses are ridiculously far from timely
16:32 matey; and the process may take ages
16:32 matey; you know im happy to look this up for you actually
16:33 bnchs__; because i heard of something
16:33 matey; https://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2018/spring/gnu-needs-you-how-to-contribute-to-a-gnu-project
16:33 TR Bot; GNU needs you: How to contribute to a GNU project Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
16:33 bnchs__; it involves giving up the copyright to FSF right?
16:34 matey; If you already have written useful software that you would like to submit as a GNU package, there's a submission process in place at gnu.org/help/evaluation.html. If you're willing to adhere to the GNU Project's mission for software freedom, you can join 404 other GNU supporters as a GNU maintainer.
16:34 matey; olves giving up the copyright to FSF right? <- i think so, so they can defend the license legally.
16:34 matey; im not sure its mandatory, but i think its probably required. maybe if you make a compelling argument they grant an exception, i dont know
16:35 matey; at the very least its recommended
16:35 bnchs__; yeah
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16:36 matey; "Again, please email the questionnaire to <gnueval@gnu.org> when it is done."
16:36 matey; https://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html
16:36 TR Bot; GNU Software Evaluation - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
16:37 matey; this would stop me from joining:
16:37 matey; if its actually required
16:37 matey; "and GNU documentation should
16:37 matey; be released under the GNU FDL version 1.3 or any later version.
16:37 matey; my position on the fdl is the same as debians
16:37 matey; its not a free license
16:38 matey; the wikipedia article on the fdl goes into details about the criticism of it
16:38 matey; id rather use by-sa over fdl
16:38 matey; i wouldnt release documentation under fdl if its a requirement
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16:38 matey; maybe if its dual licensed cc0 and fdl
16:39 matey; i would be willing to do that.
16:39 matey; i bet they would still grant approval. but they would be annoying about it.
16:39 matey; try to discourage the dual license
16:40 matey; by comparison, the gpl3 thing isnt a dealbreaker at all
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16:40 matey; though the only thing ive ever made that i would consider having as a gnu project is already in the public domain
16:41 matey; so it would be a question of releasing the newest version under gpl3, since you cant undo the previous license
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17:00 matey; openbsd has included leafpad in repos for longer than debian has
17:00 matey; i was kind of pissed when debian got rid of it
17:01 matey; of course there is an argument to be made for doing so-- and it hasnt swayed openbsd
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17:21 TR Bot; Evacuating and Leaving the Dying SSD (New Recording Rig) | Techrights
17:30 TR News; md-toc version 8.1.2 (beta) released on 3 April 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Md-toc
17:30 TR Bot; Md-toc - Free Software Directory
17:33 TR News; You should not even trust ANYTHING from Apple. What have they done to deserve trust? Sold out everyone to NSA? https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/macos-opencore-trust.html
17:33 TR Bot; Should you trust a third-party bootloader to run newer MacOS versions?
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17:34 TR News; CRAZY!!! See how many COVID-19 we have here! "The face-to-face event of the year, Postgres London 2022 gives community members the opportunity to get together in-person in Central London" https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/postgres-london-2022-2428/
17:34 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: Postgres London 2022
17:34 TR News; Ruby 3.2.0 Preview 1 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163309
17:34 TR Bot; Ruby 3.2.0 Preview 1 Released | Tux Machines
17:35 TR News; After weeks if not months of struggles with a deteriorating drive (degraded mode of operation) were finally making baby steps and moving the video setup to another machine; the picture quality will improve somewhat and sound quality is still work in progress http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/moving-the-video-setup/
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17:44 TR News; How is this "open source"? See the bottom part. Also Windows only and Microsoft Github (proprietary). Microsoft wants people not to understand Software Freedom, let alone explore it. https://medevel.com/photodemon/
17:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/photodemon/
17:44 TR Bot; PhotoDemon is a lightweight open-source photo editor for Windows
17:46 TR News; Life only gets HARDER when you use Windows. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770527/bios-and-pre-os-screen-does-not-display-on-monitor/
17:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770527/bios-and-pre-os-screen-does-not-display-on-monitor/
17:46 TR Bot; BIOS and pre-OS screen does not display on monitor. - Internal Hardware
17:51 TR News; Nibble Stew: Looking at building some parts of the Unreal engine with Meson Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163310
17:51 TR Bot; Nibble Stew: Looking at building some parts of the Unreal engine with Meson | Tux Machines
17:53 bnchs__; "BIOS and pre-OS screen does not display on monitor"
17:53 bnchs__; the future of computing everyone
17:53 bnchs__; "whaddya need the BIOS screen for"
17:53 bnchs__; "you don't need to boot from another source"
17:58 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163311
17:58 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
17:59 schestowitz-TR; STOP SIDELOADING AN OS !!!
17:59 schestowitz-TR; Stop exercising control over a PC you bought, you FREAK !!
18:01 *schestowitz-TR changes OS
18:01 schestowitz-TR; clippy: IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO BUILD A BOMB.
18:02 *schestowitz-TR changes wallpaper
18:02 schestowitz-TR; clippy: THIS INCIDENT WILL BE REPORTED.
18:02 *schestowitz-TR copies files to USB driver instead of clown computing
18:02 schestowitz-TR; clippy: WHAT ARE YOU, A PEDO????
18:03 bnchs__; WHADDYA NEED THE BIOS SETUP
18:03 bnchs__; ARE YOU A TERRORIST???
18:03 schestowitz-TR; TECHRORIST
18:04 bnchs__; You don't NEED the BIOS setup
18:04 schestowitz-TR; WHAT NEXT?
18:04 schestowitz-TR; What will you ask for next?
18:04 bnchs__; You don't NEED to boot from a different source than a hard drive
18:04 bnchs__; Just use what your computer came with
18:04 schestowitz-TR; access to an external disk???
18:04 bnchs__; and shut up
18:04 schestowitz-TR; are you a pirate???
18:05 schestowitz-TR; no, hard drive is for pedos
18:05 schestowitz-TR; use the clown
18:05 schestowitz-TR; apple will scan everything
18:05 schestowitz-TR; and score you for the banks
18:05 bnchs__; I've seen modern laptops that don't even show the BIOS screen
18:05 bnchs__; or the pre-OS screen at all
18:05 bnchs__; they boot directly to windows
18:05 bnchs__; so you basically have 2 seconds to mash all the function keys
18:06 MinceR; usually you can press a button to get into uefi setup and tell them to use a "slow" and more informative boot process
18:06 bnchs__; before it boots to windows
18:06 bnchs__; MinceR: They don't have that
18:06 bnchs__; Dell removed it
18:06 bnchs__; now it's just slient boot
18:06 MinceR; i don't know why anyone would buy a dHell product anyway
18:06 MinceR; they can't even design a hinge that doesn't pry itself apart in 2 years
18:07 MinceR; or a keyboard that doesn't fall apart in 2 years
18:07 bnchs__; in the future, you won't even have a BIOS setup anymore
18:07 bnchs__; nor the option to boot to another drive
18:07 MinceR; and they can't source a GPU that doesn't fry itself
18:07 bnchs__; because that's illegal
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18:07 MinceR; or a TrackPoint imitation in which the buttons don't crap themselves in a few months of use
18:08 bnchs__; i have a old dell latitude
18:08 bnchs__; that has a bios screen
18:08 bnchs__; and still works
18:09 MinceR; i have an old dHell inspiron, in which i had to have the GPU replaced twice, have the hinge fixed once, and they refused to fix the keyboard under warranty
18:09 MinceR; fuck them, dHell is a scam
18:10 bnchs__; lol i'll admit this
18:10 bnchs__; this dell latitude wasn't so uhhhhh good conidition
18:10 bnchs__; the CMOS battery was dead
18:10 bnchs__; some of the keys were dead
18:10 MinceR; i used a dHell latitude, that had the TrackPoint buttons that broke quickly
18:10 bnchs__; had to replace the keyboard, and the CMOS battery
18:10 MinceR; at least that wasn't mine
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18:12 bnchs__; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-now-lets-you-enable-the-windows-app-installer-again-heres-how/?traffic_source=Connatix
18:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-now-lets-you-enable-the-windows-app-installer-again-heres-how/?traffic_source=Connatix
18:12 TR Bot; Microsoft now lets you enable the Windows App Installer again, here's how
18:12 TR News; Links 03/04/2022: Cassidy James Leaves elementary OS, Ruby 3.2.0 Preview 1 Released, and Claws Mail 3.19.0/4.1.0 Now Out | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/claws-mail-4-1-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/claws-mail-4-1-0/
18:12 TR Bot; Links 03/04/2022: Cassidy James Leaves elementary OS, Ruby 3.2.0 Preview 1 Released, and Claws Mail 3.19.0/4.1.0 Now Out | Techrights
18:12 bnchs__; "App Installer (also known as AppX Installer) allows users to install Windows applications directly from a web server using an MSIX package or App Installer file without first downloading the installers to their computer."
18:13 bnchs__; yes of course
18:13 bnchs__; now the question is did it get abused?
18:13 bnchs__; yes it did
18:13 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163312
18:13 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
18:13 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163313
18:13 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
18:14 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/comicyoloswagnew.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-comicyoloswagnew#comic )
18:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/comicyoloswagnew.png
18:14 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
18:16 bnchs__; indubitably, i'm little ronnie's son
18:34 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.eu/dbcinchina/status/1510390016597446658#m
18:34 TR Bot; Uncertain Doubter (@dbcinchina): "We can read more about Ursula VDL's (or Rose Ladson) story here: http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/albrecht-ladson-von-der-leyen/" | nitter
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18:40 bnchs__; schestowitz-TR: they shared techrights?
18:41 schestowitz-TR; seems so
18:41 schestowitz-TR; it's an old article
18:41 bnchs__; what is it about?
18:42 schestowitz-TR; EU and EPO
18:42 schestowitz-TR; and history
18:42 TR News; GNU/Linux port. https://adventuregamers.com/news/view/dreams-in-the-witch-house-to-become-reality-on-windows-and-linux
18:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: adventuregamers.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://adventuregamers.com/news/view/dreams-in-the-witch-house-to-become-reality-on-windows-and-linux
18:42 TR Bot; Dreams in the Witch House to become reality on Windows and Linux | Adventure Gamers
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18:51 bnchs__; Whaddya need a bootable USB for?
18:51 bnchs__; Whaddy need a CD/DVD for?
18:51 bnchs__; Whaddya need a USB for?
18:52 bnchs__; Whaddya need a storage device for
18:52 schestowitz-TR; or PC?
18:52 bnchs__; Just. Use. The. Clown
18:52 schestowitz-TR; just get a '"smart" phone
18:52 schestowitz-TR; or "tablet" phone
18:52 schestowitz-TR; hypeTablet
18:52 schestowitz-TR; iPeddd
18:53 psydroid2; how to become a 5-minute-clown?
18:53 schestowitz-TR; "why can't you just do things like NORMAL PEOPLE?"
18:53 bnchs__; yes
18:53 psydroid2; click here and you'll find out
18:53 bnchs__; Just buy a "smart" TV
18:53 bnchs__; Just buy an Alexa
18:53 bnchs__; Don't worry about it
18:53 bnchs__; It's what the normies do
18:53 schestowitz-TR; "we are a VERY futuristic company, we moved everything to the clown"
18:53 schestowitz-TR; "we no longer have the BURDEN of having our OWN stuff"
18:54 schestowitz-TR; "move to the clown" = "sell the house!"
18:54 bnchs__; yes
18:54 schestowitz-TR; "rent like most people"
18:54 schestowitz-TR; "take a loan"
18:54 bnchs__; move everything to someone else's computer
18:54 bnchs__; don't worry about the cosquences
18:54 schestowitz-TR; apple loves chilldren
18:54 bnchs__; it's all the hype is about
18:55 schestowitz-TR; encryption
18:55 schestowitz-TR; that means
18:56 schestowitz-TR; the clown provider lets you lock files
18:56 schestowitz-TR; it adds a lock icon to them ;-)
18:56 schestowitz-TR; feels safe
18:56 bnchs__; lol
18:56 bnchs__; that's wrong, roy
18:56 schestowitz-TR; same in case of cracking
18:56 bnchs__; encryption is just a NOOP instruction
18:56 schestowitz-TR; they call it "confidential computing"
18:56 bnchs__; on their end
18:56 bnchs__; really does nothing
18:56 schestowitz-TR; whatsapp is ecryption
18:56 schestowitz-TR; ONLY Facebook and its partners can read it
18:57 schestowitz-TR; but not Putin
18:57 schestowitz-TR; LF contributes to this deception
18:57 bnchs__; encryption in whatsapp is nothing
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18:57 schestowitz-TR; misusing terms like end-to-end
18:57 schestowitz-TR; and "confidential"
18:57 bnchs__; it's backdoored to shitt
18:57 schestowitz-TR; zemlin should get lost
18:57 schestowitz-TR; he has done so much for NSA
18:58 bnchs__; schestowitz-TR: encryption doesn't matter in whatsapp
18:58 bnchs__; everything is associated with your phone number
18:58 bnchs__; whatsapp's backup option stores the messages UNENCRYPTED
18:58 bnchs__; ON THE CLOWN
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19:01 MinceR; (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/xsRv1Vp
19:01 TR Bot; you shouldn't use a squirt bottle on your cat, and what to do instead - Album on Imgur
19:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/xsRv1Vp
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19:04 TR News; Ana Isabel Carvalho and Ricardo Lafuente on Designs Beyond the GUI | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/design-recipes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/design-recipes/
19:04 TR Bot; Ana Isabel Carvalho and Ricardo Lafuente on Designs Beyond the GUI | Techrights
19:15 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163314
19:15 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
19:31 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/jesus-second-coming.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-jesus-second-coming#comic )
19:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/jesus-second-coming.png
19:31 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
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19:52 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/03/dozens-of-dead-civilians-found-in-kyiv-suburb
19:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/03/dozens-of-dead-civilians-found-in-kyiv-suburb
19:52 TR Bot; NO TITLE
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19:52 TR News; Ewww, my eyes! I've just accessed ZDNet with Firefox and no extension/ad blocking installed. The Web is so unsafe and despicable.
19:53 bnchs__; theres nothing worse than
19:54 bnchs__; accessing a news website without ublock origin
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20:10 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: yes, I know now
20:10 schestowitz-TR; but it depends on the site
20:10 schestowitz-TR; the next video will show
20:10 schestowitz-TR; so many ads
20:11 schestowitz-TR; in zdnet
20:11 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/cross.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-cross#comic )
20:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/cross.png
20:11 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
20:25 TR News; 4 Best Free and Open Source Passive OS Fingerprinting Tools Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163315
20:25 TR Bot; 4 Best Free and Open Source Passive OS Fingerprinting Tools | Tux Machines
20:27 TR News; This very much relates to the reason weve never used let alone installed a video editor. A lot of stuff can be scripted instead. http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/design-recipes/
20:28 *psydroid2 moves in order to be closer to the clown
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20:28 psydroid2; and one day hopefully merge with the clown
20:28 schestowitz-TR; be there or be squared
20:33 DaemonFC; <bnchs__> accessing a news website without ublock origin
20:33 DaemonFC; Daleks have no conceeeeeept of ELEGAAAAAANCE!
20:34 bnchs__; i wanna make a modular alternative frontend program
20:34 bnchs__; something that i can learn from NGINX's structure
20:34 TR News; TOP 5 important aspects when learning Linux for a beginner Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163316
20:34 TR Bot; TOP 5 important aspects when learning Linux for a beginner | Tux Machines
20:34 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: any quotes re brandon?
20:34 schestowitz-TR; for the article?
20:34 bnchs__; what article?
20:34 schestowitz-TR; coming soon
20:35 schestowitz-TR; make it punctual
20:35 DaemonFC; You can tell how concerned CNN is about the news. Most of their hiring has been "influencers" to write paid shit for Amazon.
20:35 bnchs__; well i can't make a quote without knowing the topic?
20:35 DaemonFC; Maybe Mitchell Baker can pipe it through to your Firefox New Tab page.
20:36 DaemonFC; Exciting new revenue-sharing ideas.
20:37 DaemonFC; When I'm the King of Earth, anyone who ever put "influencer" as a job title on LinkedIn gets sent to the meat grinder universe from Rick & Morty.
20:37 bnchs__; >rick & morty
20:37 bnchs__; reddit-tier show
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20:38 bnchs__; i would prefer if they brought back king of the hill
20:41 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: fair point
20:42 schestowitz-TR; give me some time, it's transcoding
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20:47 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163317
20:47 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:47 DaemonFC; There's actually continuity between the episodes. Which is unusual for a cartoon.
20:48 DaemonFC; Adventure Time has some, so it really helps to watch in order, but they were also designed for syndication.
20:49 bnchs___; even then
20:49 DaemonFC; Adventure Time gets downright depressing sometimes.
20:49 DaemonFC; Very dark for a "kids show".
20:49 bnchs___; it's written by a bunch of brainlets that try to make themselves look smart by making up long ass words
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20:50 TR News; Whats new in GNOME 42 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163094#comment-33271
20:50 TR Bot; People don't like GNOME 42's inconsistent themes | Tux Machines
20:50 DaemonFC; You can tell how there were twists and turns where it started out as more of a kids show and then found an older audience that appreciated the occasional inappropriate humor that was slightly obfuscated so kids probably wouldn't pick up on it.
20:50 DaemonFC; Then it went from inappropriate humor into straight up nihilism.
20:52 bnchs___; rick and morty is associated with soyboys
20:52 bnchs___; and with good reasons
20:52 MinceR; who are soyboys?
20:52 DaemonFC; When you consider the background, imagine that it was less than 10 years ago and they had a child actor who was all of like 13 making crude sex jokes.
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20:53 bnchs___; MinceR: male person who drinks soy or otherwise filled with estrogen
20:53 MinceR; what does estrogen have to do with rick and morty?
20:54 DaemonFC; No, I'm absolutely certain that mjg59_ would remove Rick & Morty from the TV if he could.
20:54 TR News; Plans for GNOME 43 and Beyond Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163318
20:54 TR Bot; Plans for GNOME 43 and Beyond | Tux Machines
20:54 bnchs___; the point is rick and morty is most commonly watched by soyboys
20:54 MinceR; so what?
20:54 bnchs___; just like how nintendo switch is associated with soyboys because they're most commonly played by soyboys
20:54 DaemonFC; At least if he actually believes what he says he does on his social control media profiles.
20:56 bnchs___; but even then i wanted king of the hill to come back
20:56 DaemonFC; I don't know why. Every episode was fairly similar.
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20:56 DaemonFC; How far can you really go with a guy who can't sit on his lawnmower and sells propane for a living?
20:57 bnchs___; yes it's obviously
20:57 bnchs___; he yells at people for using coal
20:57 bnchs___; instead of propane
20:57 DaemonFC; There's really nothing deep at all about King of the Hill. It doesn't even have a story ark.
20:57 DaemonFC; Errr arc.
20:57 DaemonFC; But I mean, like, there's no payoff for watching it. You don't get to piece anything together.
20:57 DaemonFC; By the end of the episode, everything is resolved.
20:58 bnchs___; but it was a really funny show
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 82.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 260.08
21:00 TR News; The 6 Best Linux-based OS for Android Smartphones Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163319
21:00 TR Bot; The 6 Best Linux-based OS for Android Smartphones | Tux Machines
21:03 immibis; is there a schwestowitzism for machine learning? perhaps machine unlearning? artificial stupidity?
21:03 immibis; DaemonFC: "Employers are starting to give up on drug tests, at least until you have an accident and they test you to see if they can get out of paying for it." - you believe in liberty, right?
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21:05 immibis; DaemonFC: "Employers are starting to give up on drug tests, at least until you have an accident and they test you to see if they can get out of paying for it." - you believe in liberty, right?
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21:10 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/easter8.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-easter-8#comic )
21:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/easter8.png
21:10 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
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21:15 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I had to rig up an external cooler for the T-Mobile Home Internet modem.
21:15 DaemonFC; It just occurred to me that when they crash, they seem to get hot.
21:15 DaemonFC; So if you set it atop a fan and turn the fan on, that should blow the hot air out and maybe keep it working. It was just really badly designed.
21:16 schestowitz-TR; wow, bad design
21:16 schestowitz-TR; also, waste of power
21:16 schestowitz-TR; you turn electricity into hearf
21:16 schestowitz-TR; for some bloody ethernet or wifi
21:16 schestowitz-TR; *into heat
21:17 DaemonFC; They get hot and crash and then your internet connection goes down.
21:17 schestowitz-TR; our connection was last down 2 months ago
21:18 schestowitz-TR; for like 60 seconds, it self-updated the firmware
21:20 immibis; DaemonFC: do you just disconnect when pinged?
21:20 immibis; DaemonFC: "Employers are starting to give up on drug tests, at least until you have an accident and they test you to see if they can get out of paying for it." - you believe in liberty, right?
21:20 immibis; we had an ISP router like that, 10-15 years ago
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21:21 immibis; they are just capitalist products, minimum viable functionality, maximum viable quantity
21:21 bnchs___; lol
21:21 bnchs___; i connect straight to the modem
21:21 bnchs___; with my computer
21:22 bnchs___; yes i know, all the ports i open are gonna be open on WAN
21:22 DaemonFC; Between NordVPN and T-Mobile....
21:22 immibis; bnchs___: that's illegal. you need at least 3 firewalls or else you lose your geek registration
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21:24 bnchs___; i don't want to use chinese routers at the same time
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21:27 DaemonFC; T-Mobile also throttles basically everything but speed test websites.
21:28 bnchs___; so what if a speed test website hosts a tor entry node?
21:29 DaemonFC; I don't know. It's really funny because while your videos are buffering, speedtest.net says you're getting 100 Mbps.
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21:30 DaemonFC; I noticed this with Comcast too.
21:30 bnchs___; lol
21:30 bnchs___; what if a speed test website
21:30 bnchs___; hosts a tor entry node
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21:30 DaemonFC; You get on the VPN, you get 20 Mbps.
21:30 bnchs___; would you get full speed?
21:30 DaemonFC; You get off the VPN, it's back up at almost 100.
21:30 DaemonFC; <bnchs___> would you get full speed?
21:31 DaemonFC; Maybe until they find out about it.
21:31 bnchs___; but if they find out about it
21:31 bnchs___; they can't do shit about it
21:31 bnchs___; if they remove the throttle exception
21:31 DaemonFC; What port does Tor work over?
21:31 bnchs___; the user can tell the ISP why my speed is 20 Mbps
21:32 bnchs___; 9001-9030
21:32 bnchs___; but the speedtest website can just host a tor bridge
21:34 bnchs___; iirc a tor bridge is hosted as a HTTP service
21:34 bnchs___; to evade detection
21:35 bnchs___; so even if tmobile or comcast found out
21:35 bnchs___; they couldn't remove the throttle exception nor ban the site
21:35 bnchs___; both would result on user complaining
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21:49 immibis; bnchs__: good idea. you should do it
21:49 bnchs__; i do not host a speed test website
21:51 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: draft ready
21:51 bnchs__; ok what is the topic
21:52 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/xCMYYoM.jpeg
21:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/xCMYYoM.jpeg
21:54 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-protestware-fud/
21:54 TR Bot; Corporate Media Slanting Microsofts Shipping of Racist Malware as Protestware (and an Open Source Issue) | Techrights
21:54 schestowitz; see this
21:57 bnchs__; brandon turned his library into a malware for nothing but to seem like a "hero" to people
21:58 bnchs__; it didn't take too long for snyk, and eventually CVE to catch on to his hidden malware
21:59 bnchs__; after people discovered it, he had attempted to delete the commit and any evidence of his malware
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21:59 bnchs__; of course, it was too late
21:59 bnchs__; he got bitten in the ass for it
22:00 schestowitz-TR; ok
22:00 schestowitz-TR; I will quote all except the "ass" but
22:00 bnchs__; but i personally wouldn't trust NPM
22:00 schestowitz-TR; *bit
22:00 schestowitz-TR; lol
22:00 schestowitz-TR; npm is Microsoft
22:00 bnchs__; it's just a supply chain attack waiting to happen
22:00 bnchs__; he also got doxed for it
22:02 schestowitz-TR; thanks
22:02 schestowitz-TR; you watched it more closely than me
22:02 schestowitz-TR; so you know what happened and when
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22:09 TR News; personally w | Gemini address: personally w
22:09 TR News; Corporate Media Slanting Microsofts Shipping of Racist Malware as Protestware (and an ‘Open Source’ Issue) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-protestware-fud/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-protestware-fud/
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22:12 TR News; Debian Stable gopher://gopher.unixlore.net:70/0/glog/debian-stable.md
22:13 TR News; VNC Tinkerings gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/stug/phlog/20220331.txt "The past few days have been spent giving Manjaro on Raspberry Pi a go."
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22:13 TR News; "Interested in what people do instead of using Usenet, I looked at Internet Archive Schoolar. I haven't found nothing more relevant than paper from 2013." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi
22:14 TR News; "My banks webpage did work without JavaScript and (more importantly) over TOR, but they switched systems a while back, and very unfortunately, this feature disappeared. Sniff. And yes, I informed them, that I notice a severe lack of nerd appeal on the current website." gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/re-everything-breaks.gmi
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22:15 TR News; "Doing grant writing, payroll, creating written resources for classes, scheduling people for work, taking meetings, traveling around town to teach, planning this makerspace, writing articles for a different job entirely. It's a lot. It's a lot and I'm not even making a living wage doing this." gemini://inconsistentuniverse.space/gemlog/2022-04-03-catchingup.gmi
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22:16 TR News; Re: Is There A Better Hard Drive Metaphor? gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-04-03_Re__Is_There_A_Better_Hard_Drive_Metaphor____2022_04_03__.gmi
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22:20 matey; when a sourceforge project leaves sf, theyre almost always moving to gh
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22:20 schestowitz-TR; matey: makes sense
22:20 schestowitz-TR; they chose outsourcing the first time around
22:21 matey; when a project moves to gitlab its almost always from gh, not somewhere else
22:21 schestowitz-TR; they just change outsourcing provider
22:21 matey; sr.ht factors in, but not as much (yet) for obvious reasons
22:21 matey; i have very mixed feelings about sr.ht
22:21 schestowitz-TR; remember many projects won't be visible to you
22:21 schestowitz-TR; they're not listed in those "hubs"
22:22 matey; they're not listed in those "hubs" <- i mean, projects get mentioned SOMEWHERE
22:22 matey; blogs, websites, distributions...
22:22 matey; the fsd
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22:23 immibis; "is there a better hard drive metaphor?" - some research OSes are entirely virtual-memory based with checkpointing
22:23 matey; i actually never created a gh account (initially)
22:24 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@e4z63rvppmwhu.irc) has joined #techrights
22:24 matey; someone i knew (who was into 6502 chips) made an account for me
22:24 matey; before the purchase
22:24 matey; so i started dropping things there
22:24 matey; when they got bought i was pissed
22:24 immibis; read about KeyKOS
22:24 immibis; and/or its derivatives
22:25 DaemonFC; NordVPN seems to be doing something with Wireguard that makes the nordvpn daemon crash when changing servers. At least with the "Linux" client.
22:25 DaemonFC; :/
22:25 matey; point is, i never at any point decided "you know what this project needs? a git-based repository!"
22:25 matey; borkvpn
22:25 immibis; you just type "git init" because you want better undo
22:25 immibis; DaemonFC: you know why it's a *virtual* private network? because they can see everything, that's why
22:25 matey; heh
22:26 psydruid; why isn't nordvpn's client developed as free software?
22:26 DaemonFC; I've been considering moving to Debian Testing.
22:26 DaemonFC; Currently, they have GNOME 42 in there, and it makes some interesting improvements.
22:26 matey; /me remembers when debian stable wasnt debian testing
22:26 immibis; schestowitz-TR: is there a schestowism for nordvpn?
22:26 DaemonFC; Probably PanamaVPN.
22:26 matey; ariadnevpn
22:27 DaemonFC; I could do something with this, but I won't.
22:27 immibis; VPeeN
22:28 immibis; Mordstream2 is a fine German pun. but I don't think the VPN is killing people
22:30 DaemonFC; PIA switched their servers to something called "FreedomTech Solutions".
22:30 DaemonFC; I started calling it Free Dumb Tech.
22:30 immibis; american freedom or actual
22:30 immibis; oh wait PIA
22:30 matey; if you could walk into a german eatery and order the "viel spa" that would be a fine german pun
22:30 immibis; that's the one the freenode prince runs?
22:30 DaemonFC; Yes.
22:30 matey; veal
22:30 psydruid; ich brauche meinen Mordstream2
22:31 DaemonFC; It used to be really cheap, and fast.
22:31 immibis; logically, then, it wasn't good
22:31 matey; of course they woudlnt get it because its not pronounced that way
22:31 matey; pick 2
22:32 immibis; viel, spa, gut: Wahlen Sie zwei?
22:32 DaemonFC; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rustc-Bootstrap-GCC-Code-Gen
22:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rustc-Bootstrap-GCC-Code-Gen
22:32 TR Bot; GCC Code Generator "rustc_codegen_gcc" Can Now Bootstrap Rustc - Phoronix
22:32 matey; no because its one of the few phrases i know in german
22:32 matey; zwei is 2, i know that
22:32 matey; also zwei was emacs initially
22:32 MinceR; not eine?
22:33 matey; eine is not emacs
22:33 matey; oh i get it
22:33 matey; zwei was eine initially
22:33 MinceR; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EINE_and_ZWEI
22:33 TR Bot; EINE and ZWEI - Wikipedia
22:33 matey; mincer is right again
22:33 matey; stop doing that
22:34 MinceR; can't
22:34 matey; i know, its a bitch
22:35 matey; its funny, back when people put more trouble into silly names
22:35 matey; they also made users more free
22:35 matey; im going to go with post hoc here, bring the silly names back
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22:35 MinceR; people don't understand silly names anymore
22:38 matey; and yet people are sillier
22:38 matey; its a fucking paradox
22:39 immibis; you just gotta name everything "truth" or "trump"
22:40 TR News; One Month Passes, Only Comments in a Blog Post Actually Contain Accurate Information About EPO and UPC | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/epo-strike-coverage/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/epo-strike-coverage/
22:40 TR Bot; One Month Passes, Only Comments in a Blog Post Actually Contain Accurate Information About EPO and UPC | Techrights
22:41 matey; truthiness
22:41 matey; debian: leafpad is abandoned and insecure
22:41 matey; openbsd: hold my beer
22:41 matey; it turns out its not too difficult to make a better editor than leafpad though
22:42 matey; for almost any value of better
22:47 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-30-22-2.jpg
22:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-30-22-2.jpg
22:50 matey; https://www.etsy.com/market/pleated_denim_skirts
22:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: etsy.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.etsy.com/market/pleated_denim_skirts
22:50 TR Bot; Denim Skirts | Etsy
22:50 TR News; The Patent Distortion: The Media Has Failed Us, Patent Extremism Has Replaced It | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-patent-distortion-final-part/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-patent-distortion-final-part/
22:50 TR Bot; The Patent Distortion: The Media Has Failed Us, Patent Extremism Has Replaced It | Techrights
22:57 matey; most creatively named software package ive found so far
22:57 matey; cccc.sourceforge.net
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22:57 TR News; "I have recompiled the 5.15.16 kernel with these third-party modules." https://bkhome.org/news/202204/kernel-modules-rtsbpp-and-rtw89.html
22:57 TR Bot; Kernel modules rts_bpp and rtw89
22:58 TR News; "Steve has now released "MK3" and has sent me a an EasyOS-tweaked PET, and I have updated the EasyOS "noarch" PET repo. Not yet uploaded." https://bkhome.org/news/202204/global-ip-tv-panel-updated-to-2022mk3.html
22:58 TR Bot; Global IP TV Panel updated to 2022MK3
22:58 matey; not the first program to be named by a cat though. xcfe and xvkbd are right behind it
22:58 bnchs___; i like how searx northboot
22:58 MinceR; :>
22:58 bnchs___; prioritzes github
22:58 bnchs___; when i search for nginx source code
22:58 MinceR; cshrc is a city in bosnia
22:58 bnchs___; btw the github repo
22:58 matey; even if it werent, i would still believe you
22:58 bnchs___; is a mirror of nginx's mercurial repo
22:59 schestowitz-TR; I did not know they still ueed mercurial
22:59 bnchs___; yeah
22:59 matey; "An official read-only mirror of http://hg.nginx.org/nginx/ which is updated hourly. Pull requests on GitHub cannot be accepted and will be automatically closed. "
22:59 TR Bot; NO TITLE
22:59 matey; oing it right ^
22:59 matey; d
22:59 bnchs___; but it's retarded
23:00 TR News; "Today, I would like to discuss one feature of Go 1.18, that I am interested in. No, this will not be another article about generics. The feature I would like to write about is something that might be under the radar for most people, but it still might be useful." https://shibumi.dev/posts/go-18-feature/
23:00 Alternative link; Cloudflare: shibumi.dev | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://shibumi.dev/posts/go-18-feature/
23:00 TR Bot; Go 1.18 debug/buildinfo features
23:00 bnchs___; that searx would prioritze a github mirror
23:00 bnchs___; rather than the mercurial source
23:00 matey; /me points out that nginx is still on his fork of the fsd
23:01 TR News; "We've all heard the GNU/Linux meme but in all seriousness should you actually say GNU/Linux or is it just a big waste of time." Say just "GNU"; it's shorter than Lee-NOX. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EM9oLBepePs
23:01 TR Bot; Should You Say Gnu/Linux: No Probably Not - Invidious
23:02 TR News; Tiki Trackers is a low- no-code features over Tiki CMS. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163320
23:02 TR Bot; Tiki Trackers is a low- no-code features over Tiki CMS. | Tux Machines
23:02 TR News; GulagTubes Unfair Treatment Pushes Creators To Leave For Odysee - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VHsHMWW7qkU Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
23:02 TR Bot; YouTube's Unfair Treatment Pushes Creators To Leave For Odysee - Invidious
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23:03 TR News; "In this video, we are looking at Pop!_OS 22.04 Beta." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rN1qWxC38MA
23:03 TR Bot; Pop!_OS 22.04 Beta Run Through - Invidious
23:04 TR News; "In this video, we are looking at Lubuntu 22.04 Beta." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_RESJ1-WPcM
23:04 TR Bot; Lubuntu 22.04 Beta Run Through - Invidious
23:07 TR News; "Immich is written with Next.js framework, and uses TensorFlow, and PostgreSQL, Redis, over Nginx server." https://medevel.com/immich/
23:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/immich/
23:07 TR Bot; Backup your Android and iPhone photos and videos with Immich
23:08 TR News; After dozens of highly misleading news pieces blaming open source for the actions of malicious/misguided Brandon*, shipping malware to many people through Microsoft servers, it is probably time to explain what really happened http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-protestware-fud/
23:08 TR Bot; Corporate Media Slanting Microsofts Shipping of Racist Malware as Protestware (and an Open Source Issue) | Techrights
23:08 TR News; The only coverage of the EPO strike came a week after the strike had ended and relegated to a blog post; most of the actual facts are sheltered away in comments while the World Wide Web is basically a pool of disinformation from Team UPC http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/epo-strike-coverage/
23:08 TR Bot; One Month Passes, Only Comments in a Blog Post Actually Contain Accurate Information About EPO and UPC | Techrights
23:09 TR News; Team UPC has become rather quiet lately (just the occasional shameless self-promotion) and theres no press coverage about the real affairs or the true state of the EPO, where Benot Battistellis friend Antnio Campinos is doing no better than the predecessor http://techrights.org/2022/04/03/the-patent-distortion-final-part/
23:09 TR Bot; The Patent Distortion: The Media Has Failed Us, Patent Extremism Has Replaced It | Techrights
23:11 TR News; CentOS 7 vs CentOS 8 - Which is a better choice for you? - DekiSoft https://dekisoft.com/centos-7-vs-centos-8-comparison/ Source: dekisoft
23:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: dekisoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dekisoft.com/centos-7-vs-centos-8-comparison/
23:11 TR Bot; 7 vs CentOS 8 - Which is a better choice for you? - DekiSoft
23:12 TR News; Manjaro Vs. Ubuntu (Latest) - Which is the best Linux Version? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163321
23:12 TR Bot; Manjaro Vs. Ubuntu (Latest) - Which is the best Linux Version? | Tux Machines
23:14 matey; /me doesnt understand how every single fucking programming language ended up on github (with next to zero exceptions)
23:15 matey; half? whatever. 2/3? i get it. but basically all of them, ffs
23:15 matey; not lua (just its libraries) not haskell (but its package manager)
23:15 matey; if its not the language, its the libs and/or the package manager
23:16 schestowitz-TR; audc and c++ are not there
23:16 matey; boost.
23:16 schestowitz-TR; that's a big chunk of programs
23:16 chunky; a chunk u say..?
23:16 schestowitz-TR; yeah
23:16 schestowitz-TR; jeff chunky
23:17 matey; /me has never heard of audc
23:17 matey; maybe c?
23:17 schestowitz-TR; how much was there before 2018?
23:17 matey; a lot of this is stuff that moved there since 2018
23:17 matey; like perl
23:17 schestowitz-TR; btw, one day there will be an exodus away from git
23:17 matey; php
23:17 schestowitz-TR; like svn and svn
23:17 schestowitz-TR; then microsoft will struggle to retain what's left
23:17 matey; btw, one day there will be an exodus away from git <- yes, and my answer to that is one day the sun will explode
23:18 matey; though the exodus from gh should be long before that
23:18 schestowitz-TR; naaa... tehc moves fast
23:18 matey; when they finally leave, they will pretend what that being hand-in-hand with microsoft wasnt a great betrayal
23:18 matey; tech moves fast <- lies move faster
23:18 schestowitz-TR; in less than a decade better things than git will exist, with easy migration route from git
23:18 matey; start the clock then
23:19 schestowitz-TR; lives move faster
23:19 schestowitz-TR; not lies
23:19 matey; lies move very fast
23:19 schestowitz-TR; tech changes a lot faster than other disciplines
23:19 matey; they run most of the planet
23:19 schestowitz-TR; both h/w and s/w
23:19 schestowitz-TR; look at fb
23:19 matey; the thing is, you say exodus from github
23:19 schestowitz-TR; losing active users rapidly
23:19 schestowitz-TR; now trying to 'evolve' for buzzword
23:19 schestowitz-TR; "metaverse"
23:19 matey; im not concerned about github PER SE
23:19 schestowitz-TR; "second life"
23:20 matey; im concerned about the monopoly microsoft enjoys, and that these so called fighters for freedom dont give an actual damn
23:20 matey; second life + metaverse = getalife
23:20 schestowitz-TR; well, it is a BOUGHT monopoly
23:20 schestowitz-TR; and SOME of them embrace it before it was a MONOPOLY
23:20 schestowitz-TR; and before MICROSOFT
23:20 matey; yes, and now they dont give a damn
23:20 schestowitz-TR; RMS cautioned against it
23:20 matey; yes, and we should have listened
23:20 schestowitz-TR; but for reasons like JS
23:21 matey; it was a good reason
23:21 schestowitz-TR; I listened and checked gitlab
23:21 matey; he also waranted about a bigger problem
23:21 schestowitz-TR; I was already unhappy about the JS
23:21 matey; warned
23:21 matey; he warned about "ruinous compromise"
23:21 matey; 10 years before github was bought
23:21 schestowitz-TR; then the FSF changed its mind about making savannah replacement base don gitlab
23:21 schestowitz-TR; it would be the wrong path
23:21 matey; gitlab is crap thats why
23:22 schestowitz-TR; I like what we use
23:22 schestowitz-TR; git cli and gemini
23:22 schestowitz-TR; very small and easy to maintain
23:22 schestowitz-TR; it's perl and bash
23:22 schestowitz-TR; and that itself is in git
23:22 schestowitz-TR; it's like 100-200 lines of code
23:23 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-30-22-5.jpg
23:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-30-22-5.jpg
23:23 schestowitz-TR; pull request? PULL MA FINGA
23:23 schestowitz-TR; patches by email are easy
23:23 schestowitz-TR; save, diff, commit
23:24 schestowitz-TR; email as a standard/rfc is itself handy
23:24 schestowitz-TR; can still be deal with 20 years from now, for sure...
23:24 schestowitz-TR; btw, same for editing workflow
23:24 schestowitz-TR; as you know
23:24 schestowitz-TR; simple text files
23:24 schestowitz-TR; I don't use the wordpress ui
23:24 schestowitz-TR; I pasted into it from kate
23:25 matey; you can streamline it even more
23:25 schestowitz-TR; drupal has drush
23:25 matey; if you stop using email and ditch the dns shit
23:25 schestowitz-TR; irc stuff is python, bash etc.
23:25 schestowitz-TR; and at the core it's all simple text
23:25 matey; python of course is becoming a non-programming language
23:26 matey; and turning into a webapi like rust
23:26 schestowitz-TR; without dns you are becoming hard to access
23:26 schestowitz-TR; like onion addresses for irc
23:26 matey; onion addresses for irc are easy enough for a child to use
23:26 schestowitz-TR; if a child has tor all set up
23:26 matey; tor is easy enough for a child to set up
23:26 schestowitz-TR; in some countries restrictions exist
23:27 matey; in some countries restrictions exist <- that is sort of the whole bloody point
23:27 schestowitz-TR; where XRevan86 is a rot operator and debian dev was raised by putin's regime
23:27 schestowitz-TR; *raided
23:27 matey; most of the countries with restrictions, tor gets around
23:27 schestowitz-TR; iirc, because someone uploaded some kanye west video
23:28 XRevan86; A rot operator?
23:28 matey; i know more people who use tor to bypass restrictions than people who are restricted because of it
23:28 matey; hopefully not a deliberate typo
23:28 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: OOPS
23:28 schestowitz-TR; in russia, tor is read from start to finish
23:29 schestowitz-TR; matey: accidental
23:29 schestowitz-TR; not even freudian slip
23:29 schestowitz-TR; QWERTY
23:29 matey; qwerty is a pretty terrible artifact of pre-computing days
23:29 *XRevan86 shrugs.
23:29 schestowitz-TR; yes, I know
23:29 schestowitz-TR; but if you choose something else that works... until you leave your own machine
23:30 schestowitz-TR; and some devices do not offer alt layouts for their keyboard st all
23:30 matey; i mean im sure i could learn how to use a different keyboard
23:30 schestowitz-TR; so even your own devices might not obey you
23:30 matey; but a reliable supply of non-qwerty keyboards? that part is tricky
23:30 schestowitz-TR; you can use the same one
23:30 matey; i could remap all my keys too
23:30 schestowitz-TR; if you memorise key locations
23:30 matey; but on that front i truly cant be arsed
23:31 schestowitz-TR; OSes that let you alter mapping already support alt layouts
23:31 schestowitz-TR; the problem is those that support neither
23:31 schestowitz-TR; or a friend's computer or public terminal
23:31 matey; well i havent used a public computer in ages
23:31 schestowitz-TR; they use YOU
23:32 matey; oh yeah, like the others dont
23:32 schestowitz-TR; and usually they are not even THEM
23:32 schestowitz-TR; They are some companies
23:32 schestowitz-TR; controlling them remoately
23:32 matey; id have to REALLY LOVE computers to still bother with them these days
23:32 schestowitz-TR; so you are used by some company via some machine that is not even yourss
23:32 matey; ive put more work into that than my first marriage
23:33 matey; we will see which was more hopeless
23:33 schestowitz-TR; we have working computers older than our marriage
23:33 matey; i actually still had my second ever pc when i lived in my first apartment
23:34 matey; its was a generic 286
23:34 matey; i moved it from a desktop case that weighed a fuckload to a minitower
23:34 schestowitz-TR; two floppy drives?
23:34 schestowitz-TR; 5,25?
23:34 matey; one 5.25 and one 3.5
23:34 psydruid; computers have been the bigger con
23:34 matey; i added an ide controller because it was fucking mfm
23:34 matey; and i got it on the internet
23:35 psydruid; you could do everything you can do now in the 90s too
23:35 schestowitz-TR; with fewer polygons
23:35 schestowitz-TR; and fewer colours (depth)
23:35 schestowitz-TR; which does not add much practical value
23:35 matey; i dont know
23:36 matey; i would say 24bit colour is worth it
23:36 matey; i certainly thought so before i had it
23:36 matey; and i didnt change my mind after
23:36 schestowitz-TR; not for text
23:36 schestowitz-TR; maybe for pr0na nd stuff
23:36 schestowitz-TR; for most computer tasks the colour is showoff
23:36 schestowitz-TR; you could do OK with 8 bit
23:36 schestowitz-TR; and high res
23:36 matey; lol, because the only real point of full colour in video and photos is naked stuff
23:36 matey; just today someone sent me a video of them dancing
23:36 matey; not that kind of dancing.
23:37 matey; i think 24bit colour helped
23:37 TR News; Debian vs Ubuntu (2022 Comparison): 101 Guide to Choose Your Distro Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163322
23:37 TR Bot; Debian vs Ubuntu (2022 Comparison): 101 Guide to Choose Your Distro | Tux Machines
23:38 matey; when i was using a 16-bit machine
23:38 TR News; Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux 5.18 Kernel Release Candidate Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163323
23:38 TR Bot; Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux 5.18 Kernel Release Candidate | Tux Machines
23:38 matey; there were many things i hoped for for the future
23:38 matey; full colour video was one
23:38 matey; unpaged memory access was another
23:38 matey; this is when i was a kid
23:38 matey; i dont think these are gimmicks
23:39 matey; with that said, my window manager is...
23:39 matey; a 52k binary
23:39 psydruid; my first PC had a Pentium processor, so I missed all of that fun
23:39 XRevan86; MinceR: Has Orban commented in any way on the atrocities committed in the Kiew oblast'?
23:40 psydruid; although I had an MSX 2 before that as well
23:40 MinceR; XRevan86: i haven't heard of it
23:40 schestowitz; matey: https://www.redandblack.com/multimedia/photos-uga-dancers-rehearse-for-upcoming-ubuntu-show/collection_82610246-95b4-11ec-b065-73d009120291.html
23:40 TR Bot; UGA dancers rehearse for upcoming UBUNTU show | Multimedia | redandblack.com
23:40 MinceR; some of the lower downs started calling the war what it is, eventually
23:40 schestowitz; just in, rss feeds
23:40 matey; i had an american rebadge of a british 8bit
23:40 MinceR; but i suspect that's going to end soon
23:40 matey; <schestowitz> matey: https://www.redandblack.com/multimedia/photos-uga-dancers-rehearse-for-upcoming-ubuntu-show/ <- i blame kanye
23:40 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://www.redandblack.com/multimedia/photos-uga-dancers-rehearse-for-upcoming-ubuntu-show/ )
23:41 matey; oh wait
23:41 matey; different ubuntu
23:41 matey; NOT canonical
23:41 matey; thats a relief
23:42 matey; i would have blamed kanye for canonical having dancers and a show
23:42 XRevan86; MinceR: Does the Hungarian TV spread Russian propaganda regarding it?
23:42 XRevan86; I won't believe for a second that they didn't cover it at all.
23:42 MinceR; afaik it does
23:42 MinceR; but i don't really follow it
23:43 XRevan86; Some of those claims offend me with their stupidity and ease of debunking, so I'm curious which Hungarian TV picked up.
23:43 matey; by the way XRevan86 i have an easy one for you
23:43 matey; ive already heard a theory about this, but since you surely know whether its bunk or not, i thought id get your 2c/2p on it
23:44 matey; (2r?)
23:44 XRevan86; 2k
23:44 matey; 2k
23:44 XRevan86; or maybe actually 2c
23:44 matey; so
23:44 matey; heh
23:44 matey; american spelling of english words...
23:44 XRevan86; kopek, kopeck, copeck, whatever
23:44 matey; its from britain, but britain has actually changed spelling since then, hence the difference. true or false?
23:44 matey; third option welcome.
23:44 XRevan86; matey: False.
23:45 matey; so what actually happened?
23:45 XRevan86; matey: It's true with some words like "tyre", but that's pretty minor.
23:45 matey; and more generally?
23:45 XRevan86; I'll find you a Wikipedia article.
23:45 matey; as long as its got your endorsement
23:46 matey; i mean i dont consider you the world authority on it or anything
23:46 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163324
23:46 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
23:46 matey; but at the very least, the local one.
23:47 XRevan86; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-language_spelling_reform#19th_century this will do
23:47 TR Bot; English-language spelling reform - Wikipedia
23:47 XRevan86; > In 1806, Noah Webster published his first dictionary, A Compendious Dictionary of the English Language. It included an essay on the oddities of modern orthography and his proposals for reform. Many of the spellings he used, such as color and center, would become hallmarks of American English.
23:47 matey; whoa
23:47 matey; so it was prescriptive?
23:48 XRevan86; yep
23:48 matey; ffs.
23:48 matey; thats crazy!
23:48 matey; what a cheeky bastard
23:49 matey; americans and their "this is the CORRECT way... that i just made up!"
23:50 matey; i dont blame them for the difference, no
23:50 matey; just the idea that you can be completely arbitrary and then say "well, this is the RIGHT way"
23:50 XRevan86; The "colourcolor" thing is pretty much de-French-ification, by the way. "color" is a pure Latin spelling.
23:50 matey; The "colourcolor" thing is pretty much de-French-ification, by the way <- well, yes
23:50 matey; but i assumed the "frenchification" came AFTER the mayflower, so to speak
23:51 matey; and what youre implying is, it came before
23:51 XRevan86; So is the "organisationorganization", except not to Latin but to Greek.
23:51 matey; also spake sarathustra
23:51 XRevan86; matey: Of course before.
23:51 matey; matey: Of course before. <- and yet ive heard the opposite!
23:51 matey; im glad i asked.
23:52 XRevan86; It's a basic word, it's only natural to assume it came from Anglo-Norman, Latin words usually come to English through scholarly stuff.
23:52 XRevan86; English has *a lot* of words from Anglo-Norman French.
23:53 matey; i guess webster wasnt a francophile
23:54 XRevan86; He wanted to make spelling more regular I guess.
23:54 matey; i mean i can appreciate that, sort of
23:54 matey; but by "more regular" of course we mean
23:54 matey; "different from the rest of the english speaking world"
23:54 matey; and it didnt get much farther. i dont think it even made it all the way to canada.
23:55 matey; "defrenchification, eh? good luck with that here!"
23:55 matey; (weve been trying for years!)
23:56 XRevan86; matey: Would've been nice if he'd tried to remove mistakenly inserted letters from words like "island" and "limb" :)
23:57 matey; i guess he knew his limits
23:57 matey; hed already failed to conquor the north
23:57 XRevan86; The English like to overcomplicate words way too much.
23:58 matey; i draw the line at maneuver
23:58 matey; man-ovary is just too much
23:58 matey; also every single license that means a thing to me spells it "license" so...
23:58 matey; its "license" now, sorry
23:59 matey; which it is anyway! just not all the time
23:59 XRevan86; matey: I look at that word like at advice/advise
23:59 psydruid; this "island" form is curious
23:59 MinceR; iirc license is usian and licence is british
23:59 matey; mincer: its worse than that
23:59 matey; it depends on whether its noun or verb in british
23:59 MinceR; :>
23:59 XRevan86; "to license a licence" is the non-US form
23:59 psydruid; in Dutch we have "eiland" and German has "Insel"
23:59 matey; license is actually correct on either side of the pond, depending on the context
23:59 matey; i mean thats a bit much.
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