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00:07 matey; /me wonders if anyone ever mixed "hometown" by adele with "my hometown" by springsteen
00:07 MinceR; [Subject Hometown Here]
00:10 matey; i guess there was an artist in belarus who used to paint jews flying over housetops playing the fiddle?
00:10 matey; from vitebsk
00:11 matey; /me plays the devil went down the georgia (other georgia)
00:11 *psydruid wonders if anyone has ever joined "like a hurricane" by neil young with "I'm on fire" by bruce springsteen
00:12 matey; bruce was very calm for a guy who was on fire
00:12 matey; thats the first thing they say you should do in a fire, is dont panic
00:12 MinceR; the only mashup i remember hearing was of "Don't Stop" by ATB(?) and "Bla Bla Bla" by Gigi D'Agostino
00:12 matey; hes the very model of a safety officer. except for being on fire of course
00:12 matey; oh my favourite maships are by dj earworm
00:12 matey; except for the name of course.
00:13 matey; /me imagines that maships are like mashed potatoes, except with turnips as a subtstitute
00:13 MinceR; :)
00:13 matey; theyre ok with the right seasoning
00:13 matey; good for you too
00:14 matey; they go well with cabbage
00:14 matey; at least as well as anything can
00:15 matey; at this point i have SOME idea how to do a mashup, so if i ever find myself with $5000 to blow on mixing equipment...
00:15 matey; /me could do it more cheaply, but thats no fun
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00:16 matey; im not saying it would be any good
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00:16 matey; /me has a text file with many "cue points" for playing "too funky" by george michael
00:16 matey; you can have some fun with that, but its limited
00:17 matey; i think i would have to actually install pulseaudio (possible, just not desirable) to get it to actually mix two audio tracks together
00:17 matey; in realtime, without preprocessing
00:18 matey; i swear there used to be another option. obviously thats gone by the wayside, assuming it existed
00:18 matey; theres jack audio, but im not sure what it wants/needs
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00:19 XRevan86; Did someone say "PipeWire"?
00:19 matey; /me refuses
00:19 matey; i refuse to use any new shit, but the old shit isnt supported
00:20 matey; i may change my mind at some point, but by then there will probably be new new shit
00:20 matey; /me waits for baph os to be based on bsd
00:20 XRevan86; matey: That's an interesting take on software evaluation.
00:20 XRevan86; new==bad
00:20 matey; its a simplified explanation and not entirely true.
00:20 matey; i do use new things
00:21 matey; i just dont like having new things shoved forcefully up my
00:21 matey; "we move on"
00:21 XRevan86; matey: Look at qpwgraph and Helvum.
00:21 matey; thanks. i havent heard of them, so they cant be ALL bad
00:21 matey; /me liked systemd before it went all mainstream
00:21 matey; thats a lie of course-- but i definitely preferred it that way
00:22 XRevan86; These are patchbays/graphs for PipeWire.
00:22 matey; aww
00:22 matey; i havent made a final decision about pipewire yet
00:22 matey; its ibm isnt it? something like that.
00:22 XRevan86; qjackctl and Carla will work too.
00:23 activelow; matey: bsd kernel?
00:23 matey; PipeWire is Free Software and is developed in the open. It was created by Wim Taymans, Principal Engineer at Red Hat and co-creator of the GStreamer multimedia framework.
00:23 matey; <activelow> matey: bsd kernel? <- yes, but no rush
00:23 matey; <XRevan86> qjackctl and Carla will work too. <- the real problem is that like roy, im waiting for github to die
00:24 matey; but i want to push it off a very tall building, i dont want to wait 15 years
00:24 matey; so basically at this point, i DO avoid most new software-- just not solely because its new
00:24 matey; because its all tainted by monopolies i wish would hurry up and die already (but unlike roy im not so ridiculously optimistic)
00:24 XRevan86; matey: https://gitlab.com/rncbc/qjackctl your point?
00:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gitlab.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gitlab.com/rncbc/qjackctl
00:24 TR Bot; Nuno Capela / qjackctl GitLab
00:25 matey; https://gitlab.com/rncbc/qjackctl <- \o/
00:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gitlab.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gitlab.com/rncbc/qjackctl
00:25 matey; its nice when developers display a bit of sense.
00:25 matey; ive actually used qjackctl, for something...
00:25 matey; but it was a couple years ago so
00:26 XRevan86; PipeWire, qjackctl and Helvum are also on GitLab.
00:26 matey; QjackCtl is a simple Qt application to control the JACK sound server daemon <- so its just jack + some gui
00:26 XRevan86; qpwgraph I mean
00:26 matey; ill look at helvum
00:27 XRevan86; matey: Yea, but the important part is the graph. qpwgraph is made by the same developer specifically for PipeWire.
00:27 matey; what id like to do as far as mixing goes (this assumes a situation where i have more to spend than i do now of course)
00:27 matey; is just get standalone dj equipment
00:27 matey; the problem with standalone dj equipment, apart from being more expensive...
00:27 matey; is theyre busy trying to turn it all into cloud shit
00:27 matey; with dj equipment righ tnow you have a choice
00:28 matey; cheaper, but usable mixer "controller" with non-free software, OR...
00:28 XRevan86; PipeWire and JACKd are the solutions here, the latter being the far harder to use one
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00:28 matey; standalone hardware that doesnt require software.
00:28 matey; presumably its all firmware then
00:29 matey; the problem is, the longer things go on, the more the industry realises it can tie their "standalone" stuff into web-based shit
00:29 matey; or otherwise online update shit
00:29 XRevan86; matey: That's assuming it doesn't need any software trickery.
00:29 matey; <XRevan86> matey: That's assuming it doesn't need any software trickery. <- of course
00:29 matey; but since i dont have $5000 to blow on toys i barely have any skills required to use, its semi-moot
00:29 matey; this isnt even a fantasy of mine, more like an idle daydream
00:30 matey; a fantasy would be something more serious "god i wish i could
00:30 matey; "if i were serious about it id be trying to figure out how i could free up $5000 but there isnt enough passion about this
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00:30 XRevan86; matey: A free software solution doesn't require any commitment however, but it can be addicting.
00:31 matey; so its almost purely hypothetical. unless $5000 falls into my lap for some reason
00:31 matey; then id have to actually think about it
00:31 matey; <XRevan86> matey: A free software solution doesn't require any commitment however, but it can be addicting. <- the problem for me is this
00:31 XRevan86; matey: I can think of other ways to spend 5 grand.
00:31 matey; i care more about boycotting most software than i do about
00:32 matey; most things
00:32 matey; and not just boycotting
00:32 matey; im TRYING to get to the point where i can actually point to the software thats the LEAST bullshit
00:32 matey; and build on that
00:32 matey; but i refuse to get 50% of my software from fucking microsoft
00:32 matey; and another 25% from ibm
00:32 matey; i mean i spent 10 years getting away from that.
00:32 matey; it wont do.
00:33 matey; if i had no hope it would improve id chuck my computer out the window
00:33 matey; i can process sound in all sorts of ways. there are programming languages designed around the idea of producing music (electronica at least)
00:34 matey; most are too tedious to bother with for now, but sometimes i surprise myself. i swore it was too much trouble to create a distro. i did that anyway.
00:34 matey; the only way id ever make a distro is if it was completely automated and a remix just meant changing some code.
00:34 matey; so thats exactly what i did.
00:35 matey; but i swore it was too much trouble, until it wasnt.
00:36 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/people-caused-by-accidents.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/06/i-was-conceived-in-a-head-on-collision/ )
00:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/people-caused-by-accidents.jpg
00:36 TR Bot; I was conceived in a head-on collision.
00:36 matey; maybe someday it will be like that with music
00:36 matey; i really love music, i dont claim to be good at it. i tried learning piano once :)
00:37 bnchs; MinceR: that is true
00:37 bnchs; and what happens if you dont use a fucking condom
00:37 matey; im a very big fan of bobby mcferrin and reggie watts. they dont even need instruments.
00:37 bnchs; PRACTICE SAFE SECKS AND PUT ON CONDOMS
00:37 matey; <bnchs> and what happens if you dont use a fucking condom <- i love that i have no idea what this is a response to
00:38 bnchs; 90% of all people are caused by accidents
00:38 bnchs; if you use condoms
00:38 bnchs; you could get rid of those 90%
00:38 bnchs; and leave only 9% in the world
00:38 matey; well, at least a large percentage of that 90%
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00:38 bnchs; 10%
00:38 bnchs; i mean
00:39 matey; you triggered dfcs breederdar
00:39 matey; dfc: we were just complaining about breeders, i shit you not
00:39 bnchs; ikisboikis seeris ikis
00:39 matey; then you showed up, as if on cue
00:39 bnchs; its just good timing
00:39 matey; unlike 90% of births
00:40 bnchs; 95%*
00:40 bnchs; everytime you say the percentage, it increases
00:40 matey; i suppose in a world this ridiculous, nearly all births are poorly timed
00:41 matey; <bnchs> everytime you say the percentage, it increases <- so its like one of those youtube videos that goes "lion king theme but every tieme they say "its a lion" in african the pitch increases"
00:41 matey; ^ african is a language
00:42 matey; like european
00:42 matey; or asian
00:42 matey; some say canadian is a language, but theyve obviously never heard it then
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00:43 matey; "atTACK SUR FACE"
00:43 matey; jeff bezos looks like dr evil and theo de raadt talks like him
00:43 matey; lets hope they never join forces
00:47 matey; american is actually british english with bits of canadian, spanish and german thrown in
00:53 matey; Helvum is a GTK-based patchbay for pipewire, inspired by the JACK tool catia. Features planned. Volume control "Debug mode" that lets you view advanced information for nodes and ports
00:53 matey; The straw-coloured fruit bat (Eidolon helvum) is a large fruit bat that is the most widely distributed of all the African megabats.It is quite common throughout its area ranging from the southwestern Arabian Peninsula
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 36.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 318.18
01:00 matey; /me is half-surprised no one is doing dj shows using emacs somehow
01:01 matey; dj mode
01:02 matey; https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2021/11/24/the-most-controversial-change-in-emacs-history/
01:02 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ingebrigtsen.no | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2021/11/24/the-most-controversial-change-in-emacs-history/
01:02 TR Bot; The Most Controversial Change In Emacs History Random Thoughts
01:03 matey; "The attractive thing about this change is that, well, its prettier, but its also more consistent with the other elements at the margins of the Emacs frame: The menus and the toolbar have used proportional fonts for a long time"
01:07 DaemonFC; https://tenrecipes.com/slow-cooker-beef-bourguignon/
01:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: tenrecipes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tenrecipes.com/slow-cooker-beef-bourguignon/
01:07 TR Bot; SLOW COOKER BEEF BOURGUIGNON Top 10 Recipes
01:07 DaemonFC; I always wondered why cooking wine wasn't taxed and nobody got ID'd for it.
01:07 DaemonFC; Took a small sip and it's so salty that nobody could drink it.
01:08 DaemonFC; You'd think maybe some hardcore alcoholic, but I'd go for the Listerine first before this stuff. :P
01:09 matey; /me wonders how julia child dealt with all that salt
01:09 matey; oh of course, she just used sherry
01:10 DaemonFC; Yeah, I recall her drinking it while she cooked.
01:13 matey; i wasnt sure if it was an urban legend or not
01:14 matey; im SOOOOO GLAD you could spend this time with me
01:15 matey; be sure to make your brocolli rosettes look like happy little rosettes... no, thats bob ross, oh well! lets test the sherry again
01:16 matey; i never know where julia ends and dan ackroyd begins
01:17 matey; /me wishes there had been a real cooking show on pbs where dan acroyd played julia child every week
01:25 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tGg4njImm0Y Julia Child Burns Food
01:25 TR Bot; Julia Child Burns Food - Invidious
01:28 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/tu31hq/all_of_the_teslas/
01:28 TR Bot; ALL of the Teslas! : LateStageCapitalism
01:33 AdmFubar; I don't recall julia drinking while she cooked... but graham kerr I remember he did.....
01:35 matey; "This subreddit is a safe space; we have a zero-tolerance policy for bigotry. We also automatically filter out posts containing certain words and phrases that some users may find offensive. Please respect the safe space, and don't try to slip banned words or phrases past the filter." lenin would have found this adorable (and stupid)
01:35 AdmFubar; I think when he cooked with wine he'd finish the bottle by the end of the show
01:36 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=99-n42Xb6NQ julia child vs gordon ramsay
01:36 TR Bot; Gordon Ramsay vs Julia Child. Epic Rap Battles of History - Invidious
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01:40 matey; i love the things they do to make this stuff
01:40 AdmFubar; matey should watch kevin belton, hiw outtakes are funny
01:41 matey; to make the feathers fly up when she hits the bird with a hammer, they put features in a dixie cup and used a compressed air hose
01:41 matey; which couldnt be more obvious, after youve seen them do it
01:42 matey; /me looks up kevin belton outtakes and only finds https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mfPyRA5djC0
01:42 TR Bot; Today's Special: Chef Kev's best bloopers - Invidious
01:43 matey; they put features in a dixie cup <- sort of like most software these days
01:43 matey; s/features/feathers/
01:43 matey; its not a bird, its a feather
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01:46 AdmFubar; they put typos int a Dixie cup too
01:47 matey; that was cute but seemed a bit generic
01:47 matey; tv news guys all seem like that to me
01:48 AdmFubar; what was cute?
01:52 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mfPyRA5djC0
01:52 matey; he seems to be enjoying himself at least
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02:10 AdmFubar; oh that... that one isn't very good... the good ones are at the end of his show... he is usually on around 11-11:30 am on CreateTV... if you have that take a look
02:10 matey; yeah i didnt think that was probably his best stuff
02:10 matey; its what i found-- good to know
02:12 matey; incidentally, i got curious if there were any news anchors making dumb jokes about the twin towers collapsing-- because, hey, i have a very low opinion of news anchors (mostly)
02:12 matey; and in the results, first page (mixed in with the others, not at the top) are not one, but TWO results about will smith and chris rock at the oscars
02:12 matey; shocking? no. a bit surreal? maybe
02:13 matey; stay classy, gulag
02:13 matey; "news anchor jokes twin towers" <- the query
02:14 matey; i didnt find any news anchors making jokes though
02:15 matey; wait, make that three videos about the oscars thing
02:19 TR News; Lutris Game Manager Adds Steam Deck Support, EA Origin and Ubisoft Connect Integration Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163249
02:19 TR Bot; Lutris Game Manager Adds Steam Deck Support, EA Origin and Ubisoft Connect Integration | Tux Machines
02:21 matey; wow, okay i havent seen the footage and i dont care-- but from a comedy / feud perspective, what chris rock said backstage after the slap is priceless
02:21 matey; "thats the only time you get hit by muhammed ali and it doesnt leave a scratch"
02:21 matey; i havent paid attention to chris rock in years, but hes still got it.
02:22 MinceR; :)
02:25 matey; and because he used an open hand, someone said "paper beats rock"
02:25 matey; /me giggles
02:27 matey; i dont think anyones going to top that
02:29 TR News; Kitty Terminal Emulator: #HowTo Install, Configure, and Use It Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163250 activelow will love it. Terminal that needs a GPU!!
02:29 TR Bot; Kitty Terminal Emulator: How to Install, Configure, and Use It | Tux Machines
02:29 TR News; xkcd: Instructions https://xkcd.com/2601/ Source: xkcd
02:29 TR Bot; Instructions
02:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2601/
02:30 TR News; Apple "attacker could exploit one of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected device. These vulnerabilities have been detected in exploits in the wild." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/01/apple-releases-security-updates-0
02:30 TR Bot; Apple Releases Security Updates | CISA
02:31 TR News; "The answer raises more questions about the potential impacts on other species and ecosystems, according to a news release from Stanford News Service issued early Monday." https://www.hmbreview.com/news/squid-migrates-due-to-climate-change/article_46a83e3a-9fce-11ec-9190-df9c9b136027.html
02:31 TR Bot; migrates due to climate change | Local News Stories | hmbreview.com
02:33 TR News; "In this video, we are looking at Deepin 20.5." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EeexYCaS7B4
02:33 TR Bot; Deepin 20.5 Run Through - Invidious
02:34 TR News; "In this video, we are looking at Ubuntu 22.04 Beta." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CZ555kHBNJ0
02:34 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.04 Beta Run Through - Invidious
02:36 activelow; it is pure nonsense, a terminal emulator doesn't need OpenGL to be fast and efficient
02:37 activelow; it needs a fast framebuffer
02:37 activelow; and it isn't GPU, it is the opengl acceleration to reject
02:38 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-010422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-010422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-010422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-010422.txt
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02:38 MinceR; how is it going to trigger gpu driver bugs and freeze the whole system without using opengl, though?
02:38 TR News; How to install Haiku OS https://unixcop.com/how-to-install-haiku/
02:38 TR Bot; How to install Haiku OS - Unix / Linux the admins Tutorials
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02:41 TR News; LKML: Namjae Jeon: [GIT PULL] exfat update for 5.18-rc1 https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/4/1/403 Linux kernel getting stuffed with Microsoft crap. Those who oppose have been silenced.
02:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: lkml.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/4/1/403
02:41 TR Bot; LKML: Namjae Jeon: [GIT PULL] exfat update for 5.18-rc1
02:41 TR News; Screencasts of Ubuntu 22.04 Beta and Deepin 20.5 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163251
02:41 TR Bot; Screencasts of Ubuntu 22.04 Beta and Deepin 20.5 | Tux Machines
02:42 TR News; [GIT PULL] Second batch of KVM changes for Linux 5.18 - Paolo Bonzini https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220401153256.103938-1-pbonzini@redhat.com/ Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux
02:42 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] Second batch of KVM changes for Linux 5.18 - Paolo Bonzini
02:42 TR News; What Is Fedora Linux? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163252
02:42 TR Bot; What Is Fedora Linux? | Tux Machines
02:44 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-04-01.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-04-01.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:50 TR News; "What do Windows user think about Linux and other Linux-related topics, such as the terminal, tiling window managers and the GNU project? Let's ask a few average windows users." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xkwxOUwbB0s
02:50 TR Bot; What Do Windows User Think About Linux? Let's Ask Them! - Invidious
02:52 TR News; Microsoft crime. "Wow thats a lot of bribery and sloppy behavior. Almost surprising it slipped through, at such a scale its a matter of time before it gets noticed." Sloppy? Where are the prosecutions and arrests???? https://ervin.ipsquad.net/blog/2022/04/01/web-review-week-2022-13/
02:52 TR Bot; Web Review, Week 2022-13 - ervin
02:53 TR News; They probably demand you open a Microsoft account to participate (also, you cannot criticise Microsoft for its crimes; Rust policy) https://www.zdnet.com/article/rust-foundation-opens-up-rust-community-grants-program/
02:53 TR Bot; Foundation launches Rust Community Grants program | ZDNet
02:56 TR News; "This is our bi-weekly departure into the world of amateur radio contests, Free software conventions, special events, listener challenges, hedonism and just plain fun." https://lhspodcast.info/2022/04/lhs-episode-461-the-weekender-lxxxix-2/
02:56 TR Bot; LHS Episode #461: The Weekender LXXXIX | Linux in the Ham Shack
02:56 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163253
02:56 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 19.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 330.20
02:59 TR News; "The team worked on this version for over a year and introduced the new platform as a tech preview after CodeReady Workspaces 2.10. The official name of this release is Red Hat OpenShift Dev Spaces 3.0." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/04/01/codeready-workspaces-scales-now-red-hat-openshift-dev-spaces
02:59 TR Bot; CodeReady Workspaces scales up, is now Red Hat OpenShift Dev Spaces | Red Hat Developer
03:01 TR News; "Its no joke: heres your weekly Fedora report. Read what happened this week and whats coming up. Your contributions are welcome (see the end of the post)!" https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-13/
03:01 TR Bot; Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-13 Fedora Community Blog
03:03 TR News; Nibble Stew: The C++ best practices game jam sample project Meson conversion https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-c-best-practices-game-jam-sample.html Source: nibblestew
03:03 TR Bot; Nibble Stew: The C++ best practices game jam sample project Meson conversion
03:04 TR News; "Update on what happened across the GNOME project in the week from March 25 to April 01." https://thisweek.gnome.org/posts/2022/04/twig-37/
03:04 TR Bot; #37 Absolutely Serious This Week in GNOME
03:05 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 48950 total Total number of pages in capsule: 39987 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 months 22 days ago
03:05 TR News; Life off social media, six months in - Silvia Maggi https://silviamaggidesign.com/personal/life-off-social-media/ Source: silviamaggi "I tell you what happened when I quit social media six months ago, and why I don't want to come back."
03:05 TR Bot; Life off social media, six months in - Silvia Maggi
03:06 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 20 GB TotalOut: 4.3 GB
03:07 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
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03:08 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:23 TR News; "I guess this makes me wondercan mockery culture have empathy, too? Today in Tedium, inspired by this saga, I want to consider the ethics of badness." https://tedium.co/2022/04/01/razzies-bruce-willis-trash-culture-empathy/
03:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2022/04/01/razzies-bruce-willis-trash-culture-empathy/
03:24 TR Bot; Bruce Willis and The Razzies: The Case for Empathy in Trash Culture
03:25 TR News; The CNX Software Web site has been down for a very long time
03:27 TR News; "Here, in this post, we are listing our open-source collection of password managers, for different platforms." https://medevel.com/46-os-password-managers/
03:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/46-os-password-managers/
03:27 TR Bot; 46 Open-source Free Password managers for Windows, Linux, macOS, iOS, and Android
03:28 TR News; "IceCat the GNU web browser finally updated to the latest Firefox ESR version" https://sparkylinux.org/sparky-news-2022-03/
03:28 TR Bot; Sparky news 2022/03 SparkyLinux
03:30 TR News; "I try to log into my devbox. SSH is taking a while. Hmm. That's weird. Is my network up? Yes. Can I ping the WireGuard address? No. Can I ping the host directly? Nope. Hmm. Maybe it crashed. I walk to the machine and press the reset button." gemini://shit.cx/tech/devenv/2022-04-01-a-serial-console/
03:31 schestowitz; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D190.jpg
03:31 schestowitz; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D548.jpg
03:34 TR News; Tools as Superpowers gemini://tilde.team/~steve/blog/powers.gmi
03:36 TR News; Sleeping with even a little bit of light isn't good for your health, study shows gemini://rawtext.club/~sloum/geminews/npr/current/1.gmi
03:43 TR News; Sacha Chua on Whats New in Emacs | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/01/emacsconf-in-a-nutshell/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/01/emacsconf-in-a-nutshell/
03:43 TR Bot; Sacha Chua on Whats New in Emacs | Techrights
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 60.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 320.08
04:06 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, April 01, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
04:06 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
04:06 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:06 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
04:27 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163254
04:28 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
04:28 TR News; Giving phone numbers and more data to spies ("social" control media) https://www.maketecheasier.com/set-up-two-factor-authentication-social-networks/
04:28 TR Bot; How to Set Up Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) on Various Social Networks - Make Tech Easier
04:29 TR News; Can you trust _THE US_ with your face? https://betanews.com/2022/04/01/facial-recognition-deepin-linux-china/
04:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: betanews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://betanews.com/2022/04/01/facial-recognition-deepin-linux-china/
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04:29 TR Bot; Facial recognition comes to deepin Linux -- can you trust China with your face?
04:32 TR News; Lutris 0.5.10 released but outsourced to proprietary software controlled by criminals (Microsoft)
04:35 TR News; Ubuntu 20.04 LTS top https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
04:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: steampowered.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
04:35 TR Bot; Steam Hardware & Software Survey
04:37 TR News; Arcan: The Day of a new Command-Line Interface: Shell Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163255
04:37 TR Bot; Arcan: The Day of a new Command-Line Interface: Shell | Tux Machines
04:38 TR News; Is There an Alternative to iOS and Android Smartphones? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163256
04:38 TR Bot; Is There an Alternative to iOS and Android Smartphones? | Tux Machines
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05:31 TR News; This talk was uploaded four days ago. ngel is a software engineer from northern Spain and recent graduate http://techrights.org/2022/04/01/social-control-media-talk/
05:31 TR Bot; ngel Garca Menndez on Social Control Media | Techrights
05:31 TR News; Sacha Chua on Whats New in Emacs Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/01/emacsconf-in-a-nutshell/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/01/emacsconf-in-a-nutshell/ This talk was uploaded as a separate video file just eight hours ago
05:33 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163257
05:33 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
05:35 TR News; Stupid buzzwords and garbage https://www.techmarketview.com/ukhotviews/archive/2022/03/31/eleco-continues-to-build-its-saas-foundation
05:36 TR Bot; continues to build its SaaS foundation | TechMarketView
05:37 TR News; "This week, a company I never think about scooped up another one I had forgotten existed. It was a reminder that we shouldnt underestimate the boring." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/31/technology/hugs-to-boring.html
05:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/31/technology/hugs-to-boring.html
05:37 TR Bot; Hugs to Boring - The New York Times
05:38 TR News; "Amazon warehouse workers in New York City voted in favor of joining a trade union on Friday, marking the first-ever successful union campaign against the tech giant in its history." https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/amazon_warehouse_union/
05:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/amazon_warehouse_union/
05:38 TR Bot; Amazon warehouse workers in New York in unionization victory The Register
05:40 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163258
05:41 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
05:49 TR News; Live - We're Being Herded Technologically, need to Resist, Q&A https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4ZFqrCD6SBk
05:49 TR Bot; Live - We're Being Herded Technologically, need to Resist, Q&A - Invidious
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06:01 TR News; 40,000 Pages in Gemini | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/40000-pages-in-gemini/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/40000-pages-in-gemini/
06:01 TR Bot; 40,000 Pages in Gemini | Techrights
06:09 TR News; "The new company, which will be headquartered in Riyadh, will be owned 50% by the PIF and 50% by stc." https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/04/02/hungarys-opposition-struggles-to-beat-viktor-orbans-stealth-autocracy
06:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: economist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/04/02/hungarys-opposition-struggles-to-beat-viktor-orbans-stealth-autocracy
06:09 TR Bot; opposition struggles to beat Viktor Orbans stealth autocracy | The Economist
06:10 TR News; "Qualcomm, MediaTek, Apple, Samsung LSI, and Unisoc took the top-five revenue share spots in the smartphone AP market in 2021" https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4493341
06:10 TR Bot; Taiwans MediaTek overtook Qualcomm in smartphone AP market in 2021 | Taiwan News | 2022-04-01 13:08:00
06:11 TR News; "Ukraines Office of Foreign Affairs says that more than 100 of the Fortune 500 outsource to the country" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3655933/ukrainian-it-industry-says-it-s-still-open-for-business.html
06:11 TR Bot; IT industry says its still open for business | Computerworld
06:12 TR News; "The three Republicans were Reps. Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Brian Mast (Fla.) and Tom McClintock (Calif.)" https://thehill.com/news/house/3256567-just-three-gop-lawmakers-back-marijuana-legalization-vote-two-dems-vote-no/
06:12 TR Bot; Just three GOP lawmakers back marijuana legalization vote; two Dems vote no | The Hill
06:12 TR News; "The tricky part is defining when any corporate entity actually knows something has happened" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3655691/when-should-the-data-breach-clock-start.html
06:12 TR Bot; should the data breach clock start? | Computerworld
06:15 TR News; "Ukraines security service said the Chinese government attempted to [break into] more than 600 websites belonging to the government" https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3256792-ukraine-intelligence-accuses-china-of-hacking-days-before-invasion-report/
06:15 TR Bot; Ukraine intelligence accuses China of hacking days before invasion: report | The Hill
06:15 TR News; "China staged a huge cyberattack on Ukraines military and nuclear facilities in the build-up to Russias invasion" https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/china-cyberattack-ukraine-z9gfkbmgf
06:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thetimes.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/china-cyberattack-ukraine-z9gfkbmgf
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06:15 TR Bot; China accused of hacking Ukraine days before Russian invasion | News | The Times
06:19 TR News; "FOSSEPS stands for Free software Solutions for European Public Services" https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/digital-skills-public-sector/solution/interoperable-europe-academy/news/interoperability-key-enabler-e-government
06:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: europa.eu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/digital-skills-public-sector/solution/interoperable-europe-academy/news/interoperability-key-enabler-e-government
06:19 TR Bot; Interoperability: a key enabler of e-government | Joinup
06:19 DaemonFC; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-22.04-LTS-Beta
06:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-22.04-LTS-Beta
06:19 TR Bot; 22.04 LTS Beta Released With Many Improvements - Phoronix
06:19 TR News; "New Zealand's tech start-up community has done very nicely over the last decade or so developing software and applications that solve problems" https://techblog.nz/2830-Griffin-on-Tech-The-EUs-plan-to-bring-Big-Tech-into-line
06:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techblog.nz | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techblog.nz/2830-Griffin-on-Tech-The-EUs-plan-to-bring-Big-Tech-into-line
06:19 TR Bot; Griffin on Tech: The EU's plan to bring Big Tech into line | ITP Techblog
06:20 DaemonFC; Canonical is shipping another FrankenGNOME.
06:20 DaemonFC; Really, how hard is it to make sure your distribution is using one version of GNOME?
06:20 TR News; fake news and false allegations https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/war-rages-neighboring-ukraine-hungarys-hardline-leader-benefits-closen-rcna22289
06:20 TR Bot; Hungarian leader with close ties to Putin toes the line on the war ahead of election
06:21 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I was talking to mom about the Amazon union in NYC.
06:21 DaemonFC; I said people working at Amazon face such horrific working conditions and such awful employment prospects that they figured they had nothing to lose.
06:21 DaemonFC; Amazon is the coal mining company of the 21st century.
06:21 TR News; "The Batman had been granted an official release date in China of March 18" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/china-box-office-1235121616/
06:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hollywoodreporter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/china-box-office-1235121616/
06:21 TR Bot; Do Hollywood Films Need to Rethink China Box Office Strategy? The Hollywood Reporter
06:22 DaemonFC; The Batman wasn't a great movie.
06:22 TR News; "The unexpected victory seems to have sent a welcome shock through the labor movement" https://www.teenvogue.com/story/amazon-labor-union-win-vote-staten-island
06:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: teenvogue.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.teenvogue.com/story/amazon-labor-union-win-vote-staten-island
06:22 TR Bot; Amazon Labor Union in Staten Island Wins Unionization Vote | Teen Vogue
06:22 DaemonFC; The movies that took themselves less seriously were pretty good. The Christian Bale series was good.
06:22 DaemonFC; Joker was good.
06:23 TR News; The Bezos SweatshopZone "spent $4.3 million over the past year trying to snuff out pro-labor sentiment" https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/amazon-facility-staten-island-unionizes-1331286/
06:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: rollingstone.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/amazon-facility-staten-island-unionizes-1331286/
06:23 TR Bot; Amazon Employees Vote to Unionize in Staten Island - Rolling Stone
06:24 TR News; "About 57% of the more than 8,300 [SweatshopZone] workers on the voter list cast their ballots." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/amazon-workers-nyc-vote-unionize-company-83812661
06:24 TR Bot; Amazon workers in NYC vote to unionize, a first for company - ABC News
06:25 TR News; "Workers at an [SweatshopZone] warehouse in New York City have voted to unionize, an historic first for workers at the [Sweatshop] company." https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/1/23004524/amazon-workers-vote-union-jfk8-staten-island-new-york-warehouse-win
06:25 TR Bot; Amazon workers vote to unionize Staten Island warehouse - The Verge
06:26 TR News; "The [outfit] highlighted that approximately 93 percent of the worlds television households, 61 percent of TV [brainwash] sales and 60 percent of total [brainwash] sales are outside of the United States" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/roku-stock-target-analyst-international-growth-1235123441/
06:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hollywoodreporter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/roku-stock-target-analyst-international-growth-1235123441/
06:26 TR Bot; Roku Stock Target Raised by Analyst on International Growth The Hollywood Reporter
06:27 TR News; Microsoft is just crime and corruption. All the rest is spin and corrupted (bribed) "media". https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/cloud-computing/microsofts-cloud-business-targeted-by-eu-antitrust-regulators/90603282
06:27 TR Bot; Microsoft: Microsoft's cloud business targeted by EU antitrust regulators, CIO News, ET CIO
06:28 TR News; Microsoft has managed to eleverate Bribes & Corruption to principal "business" unit
06:32 DaemonFC; https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/04/01/end-covid-19-emergency-could-jeopardize-medicaid-millions-us/7190506001/
06:32 TR Bot; End to COVID-19 emergency could jeopardize Medicaid for millions in US
06:32 DaemonFC; Millions of people lose their health insurance while the military gets another 11% increase.
06:32 schestowitz-TR; yeah
06:32 schestowitz-TR; says a lot
06:33 schestowitz-TR; but he
06:33 schestowitz-TR; hey
06:33 schestowitz-TR; the poor can join the army
06:33 schestowitz-TR; 'free' health
06:33 schestowitz-TR; unless you die
06:33 schestowitz-TR; catch the next plane to ukraine
06:33 schestowitz-TR; go die for Wall Street
06:34 schestowitz-TR; [06:21] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, I was talking to mom about the Amazon union in NYC.
06:34 schestowitz-TR; I recently began calling it SweatshopZone
06:34 schestowitz-TR; it treats workers so poorly on both side of the pacific
06:34 schestowitz-TR; or atlantic for europe
06:35 DaemonFC; The president of the new union thanked Jeff Bezos. He said while Bezos was busy pretending to be an astronaut, "we were down here setting up a labor union".
06:35 schestowitz-TR; the only reason it still employes human beings is that the machines are not advanced enough and they can get away with treating people like disposable trash
06:35 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: tongue in cheek
06:35 DaemonFC; Yes.
06:35 schestowitz-TR; they also need to do diplomacy
06:36 schestowitz-TR; as a union
06:36 DaemonFC; The Teamsters has pledged a lot of money to unionize Amazon warehouses.
06:37 DaemonFC; Hopefully, they can reverse the severe decline in union membership. If they can get better deals for Amazon workers, it puts upwards pressure on wages at places like Walmart, Sam's Club, Best Buy....
06:37 schestowitz-TR; yes, exactly
06:37 schestowitz-TR; it's like those no-poaching collusion
06:37 schestowitz-TR; I saw NO executive prosecuted for these
06:38 schestowitz-TR; they're designed o oLOWER salaries
06:38 DaemonFC; From what I understand, things can't get much worse at Amazon. They really can't. One of Mandy's co-workers at Walmart quit because she thought Amazon would pay more. She quit a job at Walmart with healthcare, retirement account, lots of stuff. Went to Amazon.
06:38 schestowitz-TR; *to so much for 'free market'
06:38 DaemonFC; Was back at Walmart in 3 months, starting wage, no benefits, no vacation time, no nothing.
06:38 DaemonFC; It takes years of employment at Walmart to rack up vacation and sick time at a respectable rate.
06:38 schestowitz-TR; amazon does recruitment ads in radio here
06:38 schestowitz-TR; this must mean they lost many workers
06:39 DaemonFC; You have to be there for two years at Walmart before you get as much vacation and sick hours as everyone should get anyway.
06:39 DaemonFC; It's disgusting.
06:39 DaemonFC; Because they have 40% turnover.
06:39 DaemonFC; They know few people make it two years and if you do, it's because you're very productive and they chose to let you do it.
06:39 DaemonFC; That's why.
06:40 DaemonFC; They have it set up so that people who don't last very long don't cost the company much to fizzle out and leave or get shown the door.
06:41 DaemonFC; On April 13th, I think it is, Mandy starts earning vacation and sick pay twice as fast as he does now.
06:41 DaemonFC; It doubles each year for the first two years.
06:41 DaemonFC; It accumulates a little faster each year thereafter, but mostly in the first two years.
06:41 TR News; Finland's Spy Service Warns of Russian Interference, Attacks - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/politics/article.pl?sid=22/03/30/1413258 Source: soylentnews
06:41 TR Bot; Finland's Spy Service Warns of Russian Interference, Attacks - SoylentNews
06:42 DaemonFC; But the first two years kind of suck.
06:42 DaemonFC; They give you just enough to take 1-2 fishing days and get the flu.
06:42 DaemonFC; And that's about it.
06:43 DaemonFC; People aren't meant to live like this.
06:43 schestowitz-TR; hey, you should ask RMS:
06:43 schestowitz-TR; what's better
06:43 DaemonFC; People NEED a couple weeks of vacation each year and probably 10 sick days is fair I guess.
06:43 schestowitz-TR; working in SweatshopZone warehouse
06:43 schestowitz-TR; or writing proprietary software?
06:43 DaemonFC; They used to have that or more, when the big employer was GM.
06:43 schestowitz-TR; I never took sick live where I work
06:43 schestowitz-TR; 11+ years
06:43 schestowitz-TR; but then again I work from home
06:44 DaemonFC; People in the 1950s had a one income household, middle class, and took vacations that lasted nearly a month.
06:44 DaemonFC; Today, your boss goes out to find and shame you if you want to go to a state park for a few days over the summer.
06:44 DaemonFC; It's pathetic.
06:45 DaemonFC; In the 1950s, you had a house, acres of land, and your car was a "land barge".
06:45 DaemonFC; Today, gas and cars cost a fortune, the cars break down all the time, mechanics for them can be $400 an hour.
06:46 DaemonFC; And you live in a tiny apartment.
06:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, There was an episode of Sliders, right?
06:46 DaemonFC; They get to a world inspired by Thomas Malthus to keep the population low.
06:47 DaemonFC; They slide in and can't believe how clean everything is in LA, and how there's no crime, everyone's really nice, it's spread out, there's no urban decay, and food is cheap.
06:48 DaemonFC; The problem isn't just automation. It's that people won't stop fucking and reproducing and increasing the number that NEEEEEEED a job, but there is no job.
06:48 DaemonFC; Who NEED food, and we can barely feed half the people in the world already.
06:49 DaemonFC; We're fouling up the planet. Half the surface water in the US now is unsafe to drink or two swim in, and if you catch fish in it, don't eat them.
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06:51 DaemonFC; So, if we had controlled the population, things would be better now.
06:51 DaemonFC; Having people you can't take care of is not good.
06:52 DaemonFC; Putin has no need to make sure that the teenagers he's taking for the army come back alive.
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 77.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 113.98 average k/sec., average swarm size 368.23
07:01 TR News; Twitter https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10675771/NUS-chief-Muslim-Brotherhoods-death-sake-Allah-exalted-wish-Twitter.html
07:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: dailymail.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10675771/NUS-chief-Muslim-Brotherhoods-death-sake-Allah-exalted-wish-Twitter.html
07:01 TR Bot; NUS chief had Muslim Brotherhood's 'death for the sake of Allah is our most exalted wish' on Twitter | Daily Mail Online
07:02 TR News; BBC Two - House of Maxwell https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0b64j3y Source: billbc won't even mention its master Bill Gates, for sure... shifting attention, Beeb. For Bill... http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/
07:02 TR Bot; BBC Two - House of Maxwell
07:02 TR Bot; Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights
07:04 TR News; cbs won't mention bill gates either https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ghislaine-maxwell-retrial-judge-rejects-juror-bias/ see http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/
07:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cbsnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ghislaine-maxwell-retrial-judge-rejects-juror-bias/
07:04 TR Bot; Ghislaine Maxwell will not get a new trial after judge finds juror was not biased - CBS News
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07:09 TR News; Prince Andrew repays cash amid financial dispute - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60961791 Source: billbc continues to dance around bill gates (who bribed BBC), never even mentioned his strong connections to this http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/
07:09 TR Bot; Prince Andrew repays cash amid financial dispute - BBC News
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07:23 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163259
07:23 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
07:23 TR News; Proprietary Software and Monopolies Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163260
07:23 TR Bot; Proprietary Software and Monopolies | Tux Machines
07:23 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163261
07:23 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
07:23 TR News; Lutris Game Manager released with Steam Deck Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163262
07:23 TR Bot; Lutris Game Manager released with Steam Deck Support | Tux Machines
07:26 TR News; CNX Software | Gemini address: CNX Software
07:27 TR News; Links 02/04/2022: CNX Software Offline for a Day | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/links-02042022-cnx-software-offline-for-a-day/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/links-02042022-cnx-software-offline-for-a-day/
07:27 TR Bot; Links 02/04/2022: CNX Software Offline for a Day | Techrights
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08:07 TR News; "Although oppositions are not evenly distributed over all technical areas, some seeing hardly any, but if one extrapolates the 5% of opposed patents to the rest of the granted patents, the number of patents in force which are not really valid must be extremely high." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/03/30/suepo-industrial-actions-striking-success/
08:07 TR Bot; SUEPO: Industrial actions striking success - Kluwer Patent Blog
08:08 TR News; "In this respect, what will be happening at the UPC, which is primarily conceived for the big industry, is symptomatic. Why is it that the basic fee for an action in nullity is nearly double of that for infringement? This is not a coincidence." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/03/30/suepo-industrial-actions-striking-success/
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08:09 TR News; "Question: given that ILO AT judgement no. 4430 declared Circular 347 unlawful, and set it aside, what was the legal basis for the EPOs strike registration tool? More pertinently, why would EPO management persist with providing a tool that had no formal legal standing?" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/03/30/suepo-industrial-actions-striking-success/
08:10 TR News; "Thus, could it possibly be that, by providing a registration tool, and by (deliberately?) making that tool unreliable, the management were trying to make staff think twice about going on strike? If so, that would demonstrate a complete contempt for both the ILO ATs rulings and fundamental rights" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/03/30/suepo-industrial-actions-striking-success/
08:15 TR News; "Just because Richard Stallman seems to have been left out of this years LibrePlanet, the Free Software Foundations annual free software lovefest" https://fossforce.com/2022/04/richard-stallman-to-deliver-state-of-free-software-online-on-april-13/
08:15 TR Bot; Stallman to Deliver 'State of Free Software' Online April 13 - FOSS Force
08:16 TR News; "first streaming release to receive the prestigious prize" https://torrentfreak.com/coda-piracy-skyrockets-after-best-picture-oscar-win-220401/
08:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/coda-piracy-skyrockets-after-best-picture-oscar-win-220401/
08:16 TR Bot; Piracy Skyrockets After Best Picture Oscar Win * TorrentFreak
08:16 TR News; "Strike 3, the most prolific 'copyright troll' in the United States, is suing an individual said to have pirated its movies using BitTorrent." https://torrentfreak.com/prolific-copyright-troll-seeks-bittorrent-piracy-evidence-from-netflix-220401/
08:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/prolific-copyright-troll-seeks-bittorrent-piracy-evidence-from-netflix-220401/
08:16 TR Bot; 'Copyright Troll' Seeks BitTorrent Piracy Evidence From.....Netflix? * TorrentFreak
08:17 TR News; In Austria the Government Pays to Repair Your Stuff https://therevelator.org/austria-repair-bonus/
08:17 TR Bot; In Austria the Government Pays to Repair Your Stuff The Revelator
08:18 TR News; WTH is going on at creativecommons? https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/01/congratulations-and-farewell/
08:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/01/congratulations-and-farewell/
08:18 TR Bot; Congratulations and Farewell - Creative Commons
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08:20 schestowitz-TR; matey (away): walsh in charge
08:21 schestowitz-TR; "First, CC is excited to announce that longtime CC staffer, Kat Walsh, has been promoted to CC General Counsel. Kat was on the CC legal team from 2012-2015 during the drafting and initial publication process of version 4.0 of the license suite. She returned to CC in 2021 as Deputy General Counsel. Kat has a nearly 20-year history in the free and open culture movements, including many years on the boards of the Wikimedia Foundation and the
08:21 schestowitz-TR; Free Software Foundation, and has previously worked in library policy, technology startups, and online community management. She is an advocate for free access to knowledge and for CC licensing as part of the infrastructure for an internet that belongs to everyone. As General Counsel, she oversees the legal support for all aspects of CCs activities, provides strategic input, leads the stewardship of CCs legal tools, and advises the
08:21 schestowitz-TR; organization on new programmatic initiatives."
08:22 TR News; This week in KDE: Get ready for a big one! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163263
08:22 TR Bot; This week in KDE: Get ready for a big one! | Tux Machines
08:30 TR News; The SweatshopZone rebels https://truthout.org/articles/new-york-amazon-workers-vote-to-form-union-in-historic-first/ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/pro-union-vote-leads-new-york-amazon-workers-look-make-history
08:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/new-york-amazon-workers-vote-to-form-union-in-historic-first/
08:30 TR Bot; New York Amazon Workers Vote to Form Union in Historic First
08:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/pro-union-vote-leads-new-york-amazon-workers-look-make-history
08:30 TR Bot; Pro-Union Vote Leads in New York as Amazon Workers Look to Make History
08:30 TR News; Best Free and Open Source Software March 2022 Updates Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163264
08:30 TR Bot; Best Free and Open Source Software March 2022 Updates | Tux Machines
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08:31 TR News; "in a meeting Jeff Bezos attended, said of the activist Chris Smalls, whom the company had just fired after he helped lead a walkout early in the pandemic over Covid-related health and safety issues." https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/amazon-workers-union-staten-island/
08:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/amazon-workers-union-staten-island/
08:31 TR Bot; Amazon Workers Score a Decisive Win in Staten Island! | The Nation
08:32 AdmFubar1; anyone havving connections issues to sites?
08:32 TR News; Microsoft does the same thing at a bigger scale https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/01/amazon-google-busted-faking-small-business-opposition-to-antitrust-reform/
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08:32 TR Bot; Google Busted Faking Small Business Opposition To Antitrust Reform | Techdirt
08:33 TR News; "Progressives hailed Friday's unionization vote by employees at an Amazon warehouse in New York City as a historic victory for workers across the United States" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/win-workers-across-america-amazon-union-victory-inspires-progressives
08:33 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/win-workers-across-america-amazon-union-victory-inspires-progressives
08:33 TR Bot; 'Win for Workers Across America': Amazon Union Victory Inspires Progressives
08:34 TR News; The 'democrats' keep failing the working class https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/disgusting-democratic-aligned-firm-slammed-working-amazons-failed-anti-union-effort
08:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/disgusting-democratic-aligned-firm-slammed-working-amazons-failed-anti-union-effort
08:34 TR Bot; 'Disgusting': Democratic-Aligned Firm Slammed for Working on Amazon's Failed Anti-Union Effort
08:34 TR News; "Amazon warehouse workers in Staten Island, New York won their election Friday to form the retail giant's first-ever union in the United States" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/david-beats-goliath-workers-new-york-vote-form-amazons-first-ever-union-us
08:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/david-beats-goliath-workers-new-york-vote-form-amazons-first-ever-union-us
08:34 TR Bot; 'David Beats Goliath': Workers in New York Vote to Form Amazon's First-Ever Union in US
08:47 AdmFubar1; https://www.windowscentral.com/us-senators-call-out-lack-accountability-bobby-kotick-microsoft-deal
08:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: windowscentral.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowscentral.com/us-senators-call-out-lack-accountability-bobby-kotick-microsoft-deal
08:47 TR Bot; US senators call out lack of accountability for Bobby Kotick in Microsoft deal [Update] | Windows Central
08:47 AdmFubar1; https://www.windowscentral.com/activision-blizzard-employees-walkout-over-lifting-vaccine-mandates
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08:47 TR Bot; Activision Blizzard employees plan new walkout over lifting vaccine mandates [Update] | Windows Central
08:48 AdmFubar1; and why are they doing this??? (cause they are desperate!) https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-doubles-down-its-android-and-windows-efforts-latest-reorg
↺ https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-doubles-down-its-android-and-windows-efforts-latest-reorg
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08:48 TR Bot; Microsoft doubles down on its Android + Windows efforts in latest reorg | Windows Central
08:49 AdmFubar1; and I bet you thought crypto mining was a waste...https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-acquires-minit-help-businesses-improve-efficiency-through-process-mining
08:49 TR Bot; Microsoft acquires Minit to help businesses improve efficiency through process mining | Windows Central
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09:00 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar1: those idiots were led to think other people put them at risk
09:00 schestowitz-TR; those current vaccines do not curb the spread
09:00 schestowitz-TR; they try to impose things on colleagues
09:00 schestowitz-TR; not because they care about those colleagues
09:01 schestowitz-TR; but because pfizer told them lies about the jabs preventing the spread
09:01 schestowitz-TR; I see people are still reluctant to abandon that lie
09:01 schestowitz-TR; if people catch it and die
09:01 schestowitz-TR; that's their problem
09:01 schestowitz-TR; they are just jealous
09:01 schestowitz-TR; that they got unwell
09:02 schestowitz-TR; and colleagues didn't
09:02 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163265
09:02 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:04 schestowitz-TR; anyway, good to see warren opposingf the takeover
09:04 schestowitz-TR; I was worried she was ignoring Microsoft
09:04 schestowitz-TR; partly because she had hired a Microsofter or two
09:04 schestowitz-TR; but seems she's still aware
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09:04 schestowitz-TR; for the wrong reasons though
09:04 schestowitz-TR; something about worker protectionds
09:04 schestowitz-TR; rather than Microsoft being a bunch of criminals
09:04 schestowitz-TR; an issue she never speaks about
09:06 bnchs; are they really walking out because a single rule being lifted?
09:06 bnchs; surely you would do the opposite
09:06 bnchs; no they like rules
09:06 schestowitz-TR; they should work from home
09:06 schestowitz-TR; better for the planet
09:06 schestowitz-TR; but they should not work for Microsoft, rither
09:07 schestowitz-TR; *either
09:07 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft= crime
09:07 AdmFubar1; I need to go to bed... nights all
09:07 schestowitz-TR; working for Microsoft=advancing crime
09:07 activelow; gn
09:07 bnchs; they literally protest against the removal of the vaccine mandate
09:07 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar1: 0/
09:07 bnchs; its like this shit has dug deep into their heads
09:08 schestowitz-TR; if they don't want to get infected, they should work from home
09:08 schestowitz-TR; compelling colleagues to do things won't protect them
09:08 bnchs; well yeah but
09:08 bnchs; you want everyone to take the magic serum
09:09 bnchs; even going against companies that try to lift the mandate
09:09 bnchs; pfizer shills
09:09 bnchs; if less people take the vaccine, then less profits
09:10 activelow; april, temperatures dropped 15degC, snowfall
09:11 schestowitz-TR; merry xmas, activelow
09:11 activelow; the lockdown and energy sanctions had an effect to say the lest: "nuclear winter"
09:11 schestowitz-TR; lol
09:11 bnchs; anyway the microsoft/minit deal
09:12 bnchs; are they gonna put cryptominers in windows?
09:12 activelow; it's real, a theory, projecting if global industry collapsed for one or another reason, then tempertures decline dramatically
09:12 activelow; as far as "climate change" was concerned, there you have it
09:13 activelow; it isn't a long-term trend which couldn't be altered; and it was alot more than 1.5degC, closter to 15degC global heating
09:13 TR News; He also paid TechDirt, which is extremely problematic ttps://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/its-time-for-charles-koch-to-testify-about-his-climate-disinformation-campaign/
09:13 TR News; Nitrux 2.1 Released with Support for Linux Kernel 5.17, Latest KDE Plasma Goodies Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163266
09:13 TR Bot; Nitrux 2.1 Released with Support for Linux Kernel 5.17, Latest KDE Plasma Goodies | Tux Machines
09:13 bnchs; how well will this work with nvidia's drivers
09:14 bnchs; as you may know, nvidia likes to "fight cryptomining" by limiting the "hashrate" (aka the power) of their GPU
09:14 bnchs; with their PROPRIETARY drivers
09:14 activelow; better idea: don't produce and sell such crap
09:15 bnchs; its retarded
09:15 activelow; the latest "innovation" from Nvidia was some 480watts GPU, $1999
09:15 bnchs; 1) make good powerful GPU
09:15 bnchs; 2) you hate cryptomining
09:15 bnchs; 3) write your driver to limit half of the power
09:16 bnchs; or 3) detect cryptomining software and throttle power
09:16 bnchs; this is how they do it
09:17 activelow; it is neither mining nor crypto anyway
09:19 schestowitz-TR; right
09:20 schestowitz-TR; it's a cult
09:20 schestowitz-TR; "look how much worthless stuff i ran"
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09:20 schestowitz-TR; "i feel rich now"
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09:22 TR News; Hete speech is "woke" now? https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/violettas-scars-how-russophobia-became-the-wokest-form-of-racism/
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09:22 TR Bot; Scars: How Russophobia Became the Wokest Form of Racism - CounterPunch.org
09:22 bnchs; i'm more about the driver's ability to detect if you're running X software
09:22 bnchs; and throttle the power
09:23 bnchs; they could extend this to anything they dont like
09:23 TR News; Trasparency and Journalism https://fair.org/home/sarah-lipton-lubet-on-ginni-thomas-conflict-dave-maass-on-trasparency-and-journalism/
09:23 TR Bot; Sarah Lipton-Lubet on Ginni Thomas Conflict, Dave Maass on Trasparency and Journalism - FAIR
09:26 activelow; bnchs: the opensource nouveau drivers for nvidia were rather good, with some older nvidia cards
09:33 bnchs; yeah
09:33 TR News; Lies. The employment rates went down significantly. https://truthout.org/articles/march-employment-growth-closes-in-on-pre-pandemic-levels/
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09:33 TR Bot; March Employment Growth Closes in on Pre-Pandemic Levels
09:34 TR News; Racism is the new "woke"? https://truthout.org/articles/anti-russian-bigotry-increases-in-the-us-and-beyond-amid-putins-war-on-ukraine/
09:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/anti-russian-bigotry-increases-in-the-us-and-beyond-amid-putins-war-on-ukraine/
09:34 TR Bot; Anti-Russian Bigotry Increases in the US and Beyond Amid Putins War on Ukraine
09:35 TR News; They on;y fund bombing people, not saving people https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-funding-debate/
09:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-funding-debate/
09:35 TR Bot; Congress Drags Its Feet on Funding Covid Care | The Nation
09:37 TR News; The state: racism is bad, mmkay? You're only permitted to be racist towards people whom the state designates so.
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09:39 TR News; Twitter is a hate speech machine. It promotes hate. It profits from hate. But Twitter is "authorised" by the state, so that's allowable...
09:39 TR News; They use Russia and COVID as pretext/excuse to steal even more https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/sanders-hold-hearing-how-corporate-greed-and-profiteering-are-fueling-inflation
09:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/sanders-hold-hearing-how-corporate-greed-and-profiteering-are-fueling-inflation
09:39 TR Bot; Sanders to Hold Hearing on 'How Corporate Greed and Profiteering Are Fueling Inflation'
09:40 TR News; "As prices increase, corporate profits hit a record high of nearly $3 trillion in 2021, up 25% in a single year." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/sanders-hold-hearing-how-corporate-greed-and-profiteering-are-fueling-inflation
09:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/sanders-hold-hearing-how-corporate-greed-and-profiteering-are-fueling-inflation
09:41 TR News; "I cannot see how abolishing the Constitution would be compatible with EU law. https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/01/acting-intelligently-the-hungarian-legal-way EU constantly abolishes many constitutions. See UPC.
09:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: telex.hu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/01/acting-intelligently-the-hungarian-legal-way
09:41 TR Bot; Telex: "I cannot see how abolishing the Constitution would be compatible with EU law.
09:44 TR News; Overpopulation crisis https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/climate-change-ukraine-food-shortage/
09:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/climate-change-ukraine-food-shortage/
09:44 TR Bot; You Cant Isolate the Food Crisis From the Climate Crisis | The Nation
09:45 TR News; Fights over things like races again distract from the way oligarchs attack society https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/50-groups-decry-gop-senators-insidious-attacks-ketanji-brown-jackson
09:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/50-groups-decry-gop-senators-insidious-attacks-ketanji-brown-jackson
09:45 TR Bot; 50+ Groups Decry GOP Senators' 'Insidious' Attacks on Ketanji Brown Jackson
09:47 TR News; The corporate media is guilty of hate speech; now we have a culture where racism is "social justice" https://truthout.org/articles/anti-russian-bigotry-increases-in-the-us-and-beyond-amid-putins-war-on-ukraine/
09:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/anti-russian-bigotry-increases-in-the-us-and-beyond-amid-putins-war-on-ukraine/
09:49 TR News; Censorship of literature https://truthout.org/articles/right-wing-book-censorship-is-an-attack-on-the-minds-of-children/
09:49 TR Bot; Right-Wing Book Censorship Is an Attack on the Minds of Children
09:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/right-wing-book-censorship-is-an-attack-on-the-minds-of-children/
09:49 TR News; Stop using mobile 'phones' if you value your privacy https://digit.site36.net/2022/04/01/mobile-phone-as-a-tracking-bug-german-police-use-geofence-warrants-with-google-maps/
09:49 TR Bot; Mobile phone as a tracking bug: German police now use geofence warrants with Google Maps Matthias Monroy
09:52 TR News; "One year ago today, the Supreme Court handed down a decision in FCC v. Prometheus Radio Project" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/01/fcc-inaction-on-media-consolidation-continues-on-anniversary-of-prometheus-ruling-to-run-on-april-1/
09:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/01/fcc-inaction-on-media-consolidation-continues-on-anniversary-of-prometheus-ruling-to-run-on-april-1/
09:52 TR Bot; Inaction On Media Consolidation Continues On Anniversary Of Prometheus Ruling | Techdirt
09:52 TR News; Trump blocked me in Twitter. He never ever valued free speech. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/01/trump-isnt-concerned-about-free-speech-just-a-free-audience/
09:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/01/trump-isnt-concerned-about-free-speech-just-a-free-audience/
09:52 TR Bot; Isnt Concerned About Free Speech, Just A Free Audience | Techdirt
09:53 TR News; "Authored by Senator Bob Wieckowski, S.B. 1189 requires private entities to obtain your opt-in consent before collecting your biometric information." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/california-speak-biometric-and-student-privacy
09:53 TR Bot; California: Speak Up For Biometric and Student Privacy | Electronic Frontier Foundation
09:54 TR News; "appearance in the Oscar broadcast did little to bolster either ratings or any connection between the movie moguls and the plain and trusting folk of the Heartland, that is, the people meant to worship the stars and pay their salaries at the box office or, increasingly, through streaming service subscriptions." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/bondage-at-the-oscars/
09:54 TR Bot; at the Oscars - CounterPunch.org
09:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/bondage-at-the-oscars/
09:56 TR News; Reject Hollywood. It's crap. https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/fly-on-the-wall-the-slap/
09:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/fly-on-the-wall-the-slap/
09:56 TR Bot; On The Wall: The Slap - CounterPunch.org
09:59 TR News; "Fast forward six years and there is still no serious third-party challenge to the current duopoly" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/the-corporatocracy-will-have-a-tough-choice-between-biden-and-desantis/
09:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/the-corporatocracy-will-have-a-tough-choice-between-biden-and-desantis/
09:59 TR Bot; Corporatocracy Will Have a Tough Choice Between Biden and DeSantis - CounterPunch.org
10:00 TR News; "Loneliness is a symptom of our greater culture of disconnect, andtoxic American individualism. And, as with many problems (like food and housing insecurity), the pandemic has exacerbated the preexisting issues of disconnect in our society." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/why-the-u-s-culture-of-colonial-extraction-is-making-people-sick-and-destroying-the-planet/
10:00 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/why-the-u-s-culture-of-colonial-extraction-is-making-people-sick-and-destroying-the-planet/
10:00 TR Bot; the U.S. Culture of Colonial Extraction Is Making People Sick and Destroying the Planet - CounterPunch.org
10:05 TR News; Avoid GulagTube. DO NOT upload anything there. https://www.democracynow.org/2022/4/1/on_contact_chris_hedges_youtube_russia
10:05 TR Bot; Disappeared: Chris Hedges Responds to YouTube Deleting His 6-Year Archive of RT America Shows | Democracy Now!
10:06 TR News; UK is 'slow-cooking' journalists. Same as Saudi Barbaria, but the cooking is a lot slower. https://www.democracynow.org/2022/4/1/julian_assange_us_censorship_wedding_chris
10:06 TR Bot; Chris Hedges on Jailed WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assanges Wedding: Hes Crumbling in London Prison | Democracy Now!
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10:07 TR News; This is a crucial victory for the public as well as Public Resource" https://www.eff.org/press/releases/publicresourceorg-can-keep-freeing-law-court-allows-posting-public-laws-and
10:07 TR Bot; Public.Resource.Org Can Keep Freeing the Law: Court Allows Posting Public Laws And Regulations Online | Electronic Frontier Foundation
10:25 TR News; Techrights now has 40,000 pages in Gemini; were serving about 500,000 pages per month in gemini:// and that number generally grows over time, so weve become less dependent on the World Wide Web, which undid or outlived its original purpose http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/40000-pages-in-gemini/
10:25 TR Bot; 40,000 Pages in Gemini | Techrights
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11:09 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/new-mutant-omicron-variant-xe-could-be-most-transmissible-yet-who-says/
11:09 TR Bot; New mutant omicron variant XE could be most transmissible yet, WHO says | WGN-TV
11:11 schestowitz-TR; time for your fourth, DaemonFC. Amndement.
11:16 TR News; Lutris version 0.5.10 brings improved Steam Deck support but no Flatpak yet http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163249#comment-33265
11:16 TR Bot; Lutris Game Manager Adds Steam Deck Support, EA Origin and Ubisoft Connect Integration | Tux Machines
11:18 TR News; 2,000 titles officially hit for Steam Deck as Verified or Playable https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/2000-titles-officially-hit-for-steam-deck-as-verified-or-playable/
11:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/2000-titles-officially-hit-for-steam-deck-as-verified-or-playable/
11:18 TR Bot; titles officially hit for Steam Deck as Verified or Playable | GamingOnLinux
11:19 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I liked the movie "Defending Your Life". "Bob Diamond" (Rip Torn) is a defense attorney for people who have died and need to justify their existence on Earth, before moving on or not.
11:19 DaemonFC; "Once you use more than 5% of your brain, you really don't want to be on Earth anymore."
11:20 TR News; Planet SUSE. "For the past year, Ive been posting to a private server that I was running. Now that server is offline because I need to save money and so Ill be writing here again." https://cloudyday.tech.blog/2022/04/02/long-time-no-post/
11:20 TR Bot; Long time no post Yet Another Tech Blog
11:22 TR News; "Fedora Linux test days are events where anyone can help make sure changes in Fedora work well in an upcoming release. Fedora community members often participate, and the public is welcome at these events" https://fedoramagazine.org/contribute-at-the-fedora-kernel-5-17-coreos-cloud-iot-and-audio-test-days/
11:22 TR Bot; Contribute at the Fedora Kernel 5.17, CoreOS, Cloud, IoT, and Audio test days - Fedora Magazine
11:23 TR News; It needs to delete GitHub. It's proprietary software controlled by criminals (Microsoft). https://medevel.com/calories/
11:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/calories/
11:23 TR Bot; Calories is a free open-source CLI calories and weight tracker
11:23 DaemonFC; https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/01/who-wants-nice-tall-glass-coca-colas-algorithmic-orange-juice/318760/
11:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/01/who-wants-nice-tall-glass-coca-colas-algorithmic-orange-juice/318760/
11:23 TR Bot; Who Wants a Nice Tall Glass of Coca-Cola's Algorithmic Orange Juice? - The Atlantic
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11:33 XRevan86; matey: "american is actually british english with bits of canadian, spanish and german thrown in" <- It is not.
11:43 schestowitz-TR; what about french?
11:43 schestowitz-TR; and dutch?
11:44 schestowitz-TR; italisn, irish..
11:44 schestowitz-TR; or maybe that's about language
11:44 schestowitz-TR; not ethnic
11:44 TR News; Where E-Mail, IRC and USENET (Even Social Control Media) Fail at Communications | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/social-control-media-pitfalls/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/social-control-media-pitfalls/
11:44 TR Bot; Where E-Mail, IRC and USENET (Even Social Control Media) Fail at Communications | Techrights
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11:53 DaemonFC; https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/escaped-flamingo-from-kansas-zoo-spotted-in-texas
11:53 TR Bot; Flamingo that escaped Kansas zoo 17 years ago spotted in Texas
11:53 DaemonFC; Prison break!
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12:29 schestowitz-TR; very very important news!!
12:29 schestowitz-TR; 150 million unemployed adults
12:29 schestowitz-TR; "look, Flamingo!!"
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13:05 matey; interesting fernhout link http://www.welchco.com/sd/08/00101/02/00/12/19/101620.HTM
13:05 TR Bot; 001219 Paul Fernhout worries technology causes complexity; focuses on values.
13:05 matey; a bit unwieldy
13:05 schestowitz-TR; i don;t know him...
13:05 schestowitz-TR; the page says all rights reserves
13:06 schestowitz-TR; the video says cc
13:06 schestowitz-TR; one is wrong
13:06 schestowitz-TR; *reserved
13:06 schestowitz-TR; which rights?
13:06 matey; the page says all rights reserves | one is wrong <- your pages say no-derivs and by-sa
13:06 schestowitz-TR; publicity rights?
13:07 matey; but as far as a.r.r. vs cc theyre not mutually exclusive (even if they should be)
13:07 schestowitz-TR; no, my page says all rights reserved
13:07 schestowitz-TR; the video itself says CC
13:07 matey; my page says all rights reserved <- since when?
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13:08 matey; http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/social-control-media-pitfalls/ "Content is available under CC-BY-SA"
13:08 matey; thats what your page says
13:08 matey; by the way, i said that stavrous website needs to specify which by-sa it uses. it does-- 4.0-- on another page
13:09 matey; but as far as a.r.r. vs cc
13:09 matey; if you find one of lessigs books at the library (given that he founded cc)
13:09 matey; or one of doctorows
13:09 matey; (cory)
13:10 matey; youll see that traditional publishers use both "all rights reserved" and cc licenses on cc-licensed books
13:10 matey; they shouldnt imo, but it does not affect the status of the cc license
13:11 matey; you can ignore "all rights reserved" when you see it in the same place as a cc license.
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13:11 schestowitz-TR; [13:08] <matey> thats what your page says
13:11 schestowitz-TR; aha
13:11 schestowitz-TR; yes
13:11 matey; you can ignore "all rights reserved" when you see it in the same place as a cc license <- otherwise, you must conclude that lessigs cc-licensed books are not cc-licensed
13:12 schestowitz-TR; so there are three places that state licnece: site, post, and video
13:12 schestowitz-TR; my videos are non-deriv
13:12 schestowitz-TR; btw
13:12 schestowitz-TR; did you see my remark earlier?
13:12 schestowitz-TR; about walsh
13:12 matey; about walsh?
13:12 matey; ill check
13:13 schestowitz-TR; [08:20] <schestowitz-TR> matey (away): walsh in charge
13:13 schestowitz-TR; [08:21] <schestowitz-TR> "First, CC is excited to announce that longtime CC staffer, Kat Walsh, has been promoted to CC General Counsel. Kat was on the CC legal team from 2012-2015 during the drafting and initial publication process of version 4.0 of the license suite. She returned to CC in 2021 as Deputy General Counsel. Kat has a nearly 20-year history in the free and open culture movements, including many years on the boards of the
13:13 schestowitz-TR; Wikimedia Foundation and the
13:13 schestowitz-TR; [08:21] <schestowitz-TR> Free Software Foundation, and has previously worked in library policy, technology startups, and online community management. She is an advocate for free access to knowledge and for CC licensing as part of the infrastructure for an internet that belongs to everyone. As General Counsel, she oversees the legal support for all aspects of CCs activities, provides strategic input, leads the stewardship of CCs legal
13:13 schestowitz-TR; tools, and advises the
13:13 schestowitz-TR; [08:21] <schestowitz-TR> organization on new programmatic initiatives."
13:13 schestowitz-TR; https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/01/congratulations-and-farewell/
13:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/01/congratulations-and-farewell/
13:13 TR Bot; Congratulations and Farewell - Creative Commons
13:14 matey; First, CC is excited to announce that longtime CC staffer, Kat Walsh, has been promoted to CC General Counsel.
13:14 matey; so basically shes to cc what eben was to fsf
13:15 matey; cc is a defunct organisation, they stand for nothing at all
13:15 matey; compromise first and lies second
13:15 matey; mike linksvayer was (imo) the only person who could have saved them
13:16 matey; i dont like him, he was nonetheless right
13:17 matey; jesus christ, he moved to github!
13:17 matey; Mike Linksvayer is an intellectual freedom and commons proponent, known as a technology entrepreneur, developer and activist from co-founding Bitzi and leadership of Creative Commons.[1][2] He is GitHub's Policy Director.
13:17 matey; hes what?
13:17 schestowitz-TR; lol
13:18 schestowitz-TR; copilot of bill
13:18 matey; adds another dimension to why he signed
13:19 schestowitz-TR; oh, did he?
13:19 schestowitz-TR; waslsh opposed rms
13:19 schestowitz-TR; cc also
13:19 schestowitz-TR; now one of them works for the criminals (microsoft)
13:20 matey; waslsh opposed rms <- but theres is nothing public stating that
13:20 schestowitz-TR; no
13:20 matey; she resigned among a bunch of people, and thats all
13:20 schestowitz-TR; but i hear so
13:20 matey; well, when you hear what she opposed him on, let me know
13:21 schestowitz-TR; i heard it from a reliable source
13:21 matey; i wouldnt be surprised if she opposed him on a license matter
13:21 matey; and not even wrt software
13:21 schestowitz; covered here https://techrights.org/2021/03/28/rms-return/
13:22 TR Bot; Get Ready for Richard M. Stallman to Become FSF President Again (for Continuity of the FSFs Mission) | Techrights
13:22 matey; as the fsf promotes non-free licenses on grounds i consider handwavy, revisionist and special-pleading...ish
13:22 matey; covered here https://techrights.org/2021/03/28/rms-return/ <- ill bet you theres no details there.
13:22 matey; about kat leaving
13:22 schestowitz; she is also mentioned in http://techrights.org/2020/11/18/orgs-dilemma/ http://techrights.org/2021/01/10/alex-oliva-fsf-departure/ http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ian-kelling-fsf-board-of-directors/ http://techrights.org/2020/07/19/fsf-and-rms-lead/
13:22 TR Bot; Organisations Are/nt the Problem | Techrights
13:22 TR Bot; Alex Olivas Departure is a Massive Loss to the Free Software Foundation | Techrights
13:22 TR Bot; FSF Welcomes Ian Kelling to Staff Seat on the FSFs Board of Directors | Techrights
13:22 TR Bot; RMS Probably Isnt Fit to Lead Heres the Rest of That Picture | Techrights
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13:23 schestowitz-TR; from memory:
13:23 schestowitz-TR; they did a voting
13:23 schestowitz-TR; the voting members
13:23 schestowitz-TR; who include rms and oliva
13:23 matey; yes
13:23 schestowitz-TR; and she was the one who opposes his return
13:24 schestowitz-TR; *opposed
13:24 matey; thats a shame
13:24 schestowitz-TR; so she resigned, I think
13:24 schestowitz-TR; and said so publicly
13:24 matey; that means she supports his ousting on illegitimate (fraudulent) grounds
13:24 matey; and this is a counsel for cc
13:24 matey; already was, now general counsel (deputy before)
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13:25 matey; i would have supported his ousting (as president only) on HONEST grounds
13:25 matey; but that probably wouldnt have been enough to oust him. so be it-- i never supported ousting him on dishonest grounds.
13:25 matey; and ever since they did, ive called for him to be reinstated, because you dont oust founders based on bullshit.
13:26 matey; the ousting should be null and void
13:26 matey; i cosnider it fraud.
13:26 matey; if she wants to support fraud as general counsel, whatever
13:26 matey; good lawyers are few and far between
13:27 matey; kat owes much of her career to lessig, who cites rms
13:27 matey; her career, mind you
13:27 matey; lessig never tried to oust him
13:27 matey; im not saying she wouldnt have a career without either of them
13:27 matey; im saying she wouldnt have the one she has now
13:27 matey; she might be a successful counsel in some other field
13:27 matey; those two CREATED the field she works in, basically.
13:28 matey; its ridiculous. as ridiculous as esr.
13:28 matey; maybe she should be the general counsel for him.
13:28 matey; but whatever, one among thousands. just a fairly ridiculous example
13:29 matey; i consider it a fraud.
13:29 matey; slander, libel, special pleading, double standards and hypocrisy.
13:29 schestowitz-TR; to climb
13:29 matey; but you dont sue a lynch mob.
13:31 matey; you might wonder, i think she might, why i never bring your admin into this
13:31 matey; there are two or three reasons
13:32 matey; 1. it serves no goal of mine 2. shes one of the few (the only one i know) that unsigned 3. shes one of the few that explained her actions directly
13:32 matey; any one of these counts, but together they count for more
13:32 matey; i dont have much to say about it-- except that i dont have much to say about it.
13:33 matey; the only one i know <- i know there are others, but im not familiar with them.
13:33 schestowitz-TR; I'm finalisign a pos related to this
13:33 schestowitz-TR; *post
13:34 matey; imo you need additional reasons TO criticise someone who unsigned. by default they should be left out of the whole thing, unless theres good reason not to
13:34 matey; and its already a given that some who signed didnt know wtf they were doing. no one has to explain that to me.
13:34 matey; but you know, if you didnt know what you were doing... there are a FEW easy fixes
13:35 matey; if you cant unsign for some technical reason, you can still you know, talk about it
13:36 matey; I'm finalisign a pos related to this <- ill say a little prayer it doesnt make things worse
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13:37 matey; schestowitz__ figosdev no longer writes for us. On many things I agree with him, but it always disturbed me that he urged you to step down Jan 04 11:34 <- youre never going to be forgiven for that
13:38 matey; tom said: "Not only is it ancient history, with no bearing on the present, but you had fully explained the context previously. For him to bring this up now is simply a smear"
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13:38 matey; you knew it wasnt true.
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13:38 TR Bot; Being Nice to Each Other and Avoidance of Miscommunication | Techrights
13:39 schestowitz-TR; matey: the way I remember it
13:39 matey; "Idiots can be defeated but they never admit it." - Richard Stallman https://techrights.org/2022/02/14/goodbye-mcgovern/
13:39 schestowitz-TR; putting aside minor points
13:39 TR Bot; Reprehensible GNOME Foundation Leadership Falls on Sword While Richard Stallman Returns | Techrights
13:39 schestowitz-TR; johns (I think) was 'lobbying' RMS
13:40 schestowitz-TR; and he viewed your articles as hostile to him
13:40 schestowitz-TR; I think you called him some names at some point
13:40 matey; like i care what johnsu thinks
13:40 schestowitz-TR; RMS did not budge
13:40 schestowitz-TR; anyway, johns is also out
13:40 matey; lol, you brought him up
13:41 matey; I think you called him some names at some point <- yes, i was told he was supporting the coup by a source that should be reliable
13:41 matey; so i called him some names
13:41 schestowitz-TR; yeah
13:41 matey; so what
13:41 schestowitz-TR; many people left
13:41 schestowitz-TR; several joined
13:41 schestowitz-TR; the new joiners we know very little about
13:41 schestowitz-TR; 3 of them
13:41 schestowitz-TR; but I hope they didn't vet more walshes
13:41 schestowitz-TR; who can turn around at any time
13:42 schestowitz-TR; because rms sexist something...
13:42 matey; walsh is an example of something that goes with the territory
13:42 matey; theres no sort of vetting that can prevent that happening
13:42 schestowitz-TR; which isn't even based on actual solid evidence; the opposite is more true
13:42 matey; there are only oaths
13:42 matey; and im very critical of the oaths that already exist-- theyre a farce for one thing, and they are regressive
13:42 schestowitz-TR; they can go by track record
13:42 matey; which isn't even based on actual solid evidence; the opposite is more true <- exactly
13:43 schestowitz-TR; some people broke my 'heart' ove the years
13:43 schestowitz-TR; defected to enemy territories
13:43 matey; my favourite defence of him is still the one from nadine strossen
13:43 schestowitz-TR; spamnil, sjvm, even microbell more recently
13:43 matey; thats a gem
13:43 matey; even microbell more recently <- i gave on microbell a long time ago
13:43 matey; basically i gave him a chance, and that was that
13:43 schestowitz-TR; too manyu product ads
13:43 schestowitz-TR; and now we have evidence of the payment, too
13:43 matey; too much crap altogether
13:44 matey; and now we have evidence of the payment, too <- classic
13:44 schestowitz-TR; he presented it himself
13:44 schestowitz-TR; showing oiff crates of expensive CPUs
13:44 matey; that was his method of disclosure?
13:44 schestowitz-TR; a paiur or 4? OK.
13:45 matey; im curious just how many cpus he got
13:45 schestowitz-TR; but when you get a whole house to do some puff pieces, you went too far
13:45 matey; i mean "crates" could be an exaggeration-- im not saying it is
13:45 matey; but it only says "its a lot"
13:45 schestowitz-TR; and not any cpus
13:45 schestowitz-TR; those are worth like $5000 each
13:45 matey; expensive ones
13:45 matey; right
13:45 schestowitz-TR; used to be over 10000 each when new
13:45 matey; so like-- millions of dollars in cpus or something?
13:46 schestowitz-TR; that's one thing
13:46 schestowitz-TR; you then look at rthe "content"
13:46 schestowitz-TR; and see full brochures for those companies
13:46 matey; i dont even understand how he got that much "clout" with amd in the first place
13:46 schestowitz-TR; even when it's not about Linux
13:46 schestowitz-TR; intel does the same
13:46 matey; like hes a big name sort of
13:46 schestowitz-TR; he also showed an intel crate
13:46 matey; but millions of dollars big?
13:46 schestowitz-TR; the money isn't the issue
13:47 schestowitz-TR; but proportionality
13:47 matey; the money helps quantify the issue
13:47 schestowitz-TR; and then objectivity in reporting
13:47 matey; i mean when theres a bribe... quantifying it in money is part of the story
13:48 matey; because its the only sense of scale most readers would grasp
13:48 matey; i have no idea what he got, in terms of quantity
13:48 schestowitz-TR; [13:17] <matey> Mike Linksvayer is an intellectual freedom and commons proponent, known as a technology entrepreneur, developer and activist from co-founding Bitzi and leadership of Creative Commons.[1][2] He is GitHub's Policy Director.
13:48 schestowitz-TR; money comes in many forms
13:48 schestowitz-TR; in past, present, future
13:48 matey; oh i know
13:48 matey; github bribes people with free hosting
13:48 schestowitz-TR; those racks can be sold later
13:48 matey; in return, they gain control
13:48 schestowitz-TR; not just free hosting
13:49 matey; but wait
13:49 schestowitz-TR; 'free' clown cycles
13:49 schestowitz-TR; github ACTIONS
13:49 matey; gnu develops (too many) say its NOT control!
13:49 schestowitz-TR; there are other 'perks'
13:49 matey; theyre just providing "mirrors" that development "moves" to
13:49 schestowitz-TR; not fictional ones like 'arctic vault'
13:50 matey; they shouldnt stop with arctic vault. they should recreate the defunct aricebo dish and beam everyones code out into space
13:50 matey; so extraterrestrials can file issues and submit pull requests
13:51 matey; why not?
13:51 schestowitz-TR; mars vault
13:51 matey; mars vault!
13:51 schestowitz-TR; for extra fee
13:51 schestowitz-TR; buy land in mars. click here to learn more.
13:51 matey; free with x amount of stars on your account
13:51 schestowitz-TR; lunar github
13:51 schestowitz-TR; buy disk space hosted and cooled on the moon
13:52 schestowitz-TR; with bezos walking all over it
13:52 matey; buy land in mars <- and when you get there* you see there are already squatters on your martian property, leading to ownership disputes on the martian court system*
13:52 matey; * lol
13:52 schestowitz-TR; maybe they call sell "followers"
13:52 schestowitz-TR; swapnil would buy seveal units
13:53 schestowitz-TR; maybe with 200,000 "subescribers" instead of 20,000 his NEW video will get 70 views per week
13:53 schestowitz-TR; not just 7
13:53 matey; swapnil, with crates full of apple m1
13:53 matey; coming soon
13:53 schestowitz-TR; he showed off buying a mac
13:53 schestowitz-TR; then tweeted in anger he had to reboot every day
13:53 schestowitz-TR; after paying like $`15,000
13:54 matey; the mac runs linux though (happy birthday gnu)
13:54 schestowitz-TR; last saturday I bought a new laptop for 205 pounds
13:54 schestowitz-TR; it's a short walking distance from home, to
13:54 schestowitz-TR; too
13:54 matey; then tweeted in anger he had to reboot every day <- i wonder why
13:54 schestowitz-TR; 10-15 mins
13:55 schestowitz-TR; matey: "you're holding it wrong"
13:55 schestowitz-TR; MinceR loves that like
13:55 schestowitz-TR; Jobs about hypePhone antenna
13:55 schestowitz-TR; blame the customer
13:56 schestowitz-TR; just cheked my xfce laptop, uptime 118 days
13:56 matey; you wouldnt believe mine
13:57 matey; same digits
13:57 schestowitz-TR; oh
13:57 matey; 181 days
13:57 matey; jsut checked
13:57 schestowitz-TR; socially awkward penguin meme
13:57 matey; maybe this one:
14:00 matey; https://memegenerator.net/Socially-Awkward-To-Awesome-Penguin
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14:00 TR Bot; Socially Awkward to Awesome Penguin | Meme Generator
14:01 *schestowitz-TR doing meme of zemlin slapping torvalds
14:01 matey; doing meme of zemlin slapping torvalds <- topical
14:01 schestowitz-TR; you know the emplate
14:02 schestowitz-TR; smith rock
14:02 matey; actually i have paid very little attention
14:02 schestowitz-TR; wait, I have a better idea
14:02 matey; i found three videos about it literally while looking for footage of news anchors from 20 years ago
14:02 matey; in the same results
14:03 matey; but it was worth it, just to see that people were saying "paper beats rock"
14:03 matey; i dont know who can top that
14:06 schestowitz-TR; paper
14:06 schestowitz-TR; Stoner beats Chris
14:10 matey; Getty charges almost $1,200 for widely used meme, Socially Awkward Penguin
14:15 TR News; Microsoft Crime: A Week Later No Investigation Launched, No Microsoft Executives Prosecuted, Nobody Phoned the Police, Not Even a Slap on the Wrist | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/microsoft-crime-unpunished/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/microsoft-crime-unpunished/
14:15 TR Bot; Microsoft Crime: A Week Later No Investigation Launched, No Microsoft Executives Prosecuted, Nobody Phoned the Police, Not Even a Slap on the Wrist | Techrights
14:25 matey; https://hackaday.io/project/98837-8-bit-portable-internet-enabled-computer
14:25 TR Bot; Portable Internet-Enabled Computer | Hackaday.io
14:25 kingoffrance; "you can ignore "all rights reserved" when you see it in the same place as a cc license"' that sounds to me like "this is xyz licensed but i retain a private 'copy' (or 'original') that can be licensed (or not) however" ? i.e. they are 2 separate "works" (terminology may be wrong, 2 separate instances from the same work perhaps). "otherwise, you must conclude that lessigs cc-licensed books are not cc-licensed" yeah, seems an instance is
14:25 kingoffrance; one or the other "you can ignore "all rights reserved" when you see it in the same place as a cc license." makes sense, it should not be "in the same place" is the confusion
14:26 kingoffrance; if above is correct, yes they should know better
14:26 schestowitz-TR; all rights reserved, but where?
14:26 schestowitz-TR; which rights?
14:26 matey; "This article (https://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP-NG/http-prob.html) by Simon E Spero shows that HTTP is a slow and inefficient internet protocol. Most of the time, HTTP is waiting. The slow start to HTTP connections hurts performance, and slows down the Round Trip Time (RTT)."
14:26 TR Bot; Analysis of HTTP Performance Problems
14:26 schestowitz-TR; matey: simply
14:26 schestowitz-TR; make pages one file
14:27 matey; sure
14:27 schestowitz-TR; and the problem mostly goes away
14:27 matey; yes but after you do that
14:27 schestowitz-TR; gemini take minisecs to load
14:27 matey; http is still slow
14:27 schestowitz-TR; the latency is at the routing level
14:27 matey; in other words it could be faster (if it were a different protocol)
14:27 schestowitz-TR; SPDY Gonzeles Gulag
14:28 schestowitz-TR; zales
14:28 matey; i wasnt thinking of spdy
14:28 schestowitz-TR; now known as HTTP/3 iir
14:28 schestowitz-TR; like webp and jpeg2000
14:28 schestowitz-TR; they try to make proprietary things seem more open
14:28 schestowitz-TR; even trash is now 'standardised'
14:28 schestowitz-TR; and DRM
14:28 schestowitz-TR; they just fornalised those
14:28 schestowitz-TR; OOXMl
14:28 matey; <kingoffrance> one or the other "you can ignore "all rights reserved" when you see it in the same place as a cc license." makes sense, it should not be "in the same place" is the confusion <- all rights reserved can be retracted and negated
14:28 schestowitz-TR; "open"
14:28 matey; but a cc license cannoy
14:29 matey; cannot
14:29 matey; i think all rights reserved + cc license is an unintended "dual license"
14:29 matey; but either way, saying "all rights reserved" has never outweighed other license requirements / rights
14:30 matey; its not a license, its just a copyright notice
14:30 kingoffrance; yes, "all rights reserved" is talking seems is about the "author's" rights, not the work per se
14:30 matey; but i still think its weird to put both. lawyers.
14:30 kingoffrance; ^^^
14:30 matey; the real confusion begins with ccs whimsical take on a.r.r. "some rights reserved"
14:31 matey; but thats more marketing than legally binding, it creates confusion
14:31 kingoffrance; you can put comments in a box the sov citizens say. and then someone like me says oh look a hieroglyphic lol noone agrees lol
14:31 schestowitz-TR; or assuming unlabeled is public domain
14:31 matey; or assuming unlabeled is public domain <- as it was until 1976/78
14:31 schestowitz-TR; if we were PD people could scrape the whole site, repost, then change the articles themselves
14:31 matey; in the states at least
14:31 schestowitz-TR; to say something the originals did not say
14:32 matey; if we were PD people could scrape the whole site, repost, then change the articles themselves <- they can still do that, but they must cite (per the license)
14:33 TR News; "This 5-minute talk, which covers information overload, algorithms that may stoke outrage and a few more things is Paul Fernhouts take on tools that are inherently immoral or problematic; we need less, not more, and better, according to Fernhout." http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/social-control-media-pitfalls/
14:33 TR Bot; Where E-Mail, IRC and USENET (Even Social Control Media) Fail at Communications | Techrights
14:34 matey; there are also widely accepted standards and practices that are not required by copyright
14:35 matey; for example, in academia its not enough to follow the license, there are other expectations on top of this for a "scholarly work"
14:35 kingoffrance; well i agree its weird. a license is a "under these conditions, i relinquish some rights". so any license is not "all rights reserved" by definition
14:35 kingoffrance; and public domain is "no rights reserved"
14:35 matey; dishes in restaurants are not under copyright but there is a "code" (honour code) among chefs, enforced by boycott
14:35 kingoffrance; "all rights relinquished"
14:36 matey; and public domain is "no rights reserved" <- technically public domain means "no rights reservable"
14:36 TR News; Are we meant to assume Russia is literally Hitler now? https://wptavern.com/wordpress-org-removes-russian-pro-war-plugin-from-directory
14:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: wptavern.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://wptavern.com/wordpress-org-removes-russian-pro-war-plugin-from-directory
14:36 TR Bot; WordPress.org Removes Russian Pro-War Plugin From Directory WP Tavern
14:36 kingoffrance; yep
14:36 matey; but it doesnt even mean that
14:36 matey; its really close to that
14:36 kingoffrance; explain :)
14:37 matey; there are rights that apply even to pd works
14:37 matey; theyre simply tangential to (not part of) copyright
14:37 kingoffrance; well i know for other thing there is like "you cant sell your soul" "noone can do the impossible" some things you cant give away
14:37 matey; an example being using your likeness for certain things
14:37 matey; is tangential to copyright
14:37 TR News; "Luo Di developed the source code of an application called VirtualApp (VA) to be hosted on GitHub.com under the third version of the GNU General Public License (GPLV3). The GPL is a series of widely used free software licenses that guarantee end users the four freedoms" https://www.mondaq.com/china/patent/1175402/guangzhou-ip-court39s-top-10-exemplary-cases-of-2021
14:37 TR Bot; Guangzhou IP Court's Top 10 Exemplary Cases Of 2021 - Intellectual Property - China
14:37 kingoffrance; makes sense
14:38 matey; a photo can bein the public domain, the person in the photo can still sue around certain uses
14:39 matey; but certainly wrt copyright alone, pd means no rights reserved
14:39 matey; or reservable
14:39 matey; except in finland :)
14:40 matey; if you have a restaurant, no chef has a monopoly on most dishes
14:40 TR News; Lawyers rarely can code; so they look for some other ways to make money, at the expense of those who do all the actual work https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/have-you-ever-considered-an-open-source-2057520/
14:40 TR Bot; you ever considered an open-source audit for your organisation? | Escrow London - JDSupra
14:40 matey; you can go find a recipe you love and add a couple touches to make it yours
14:40 matey; no one can (or will) stop you... but...
14:41 matey; chefs have a "signature dish" which is basically theirs
14:41 matey; if you bite too much off their signature dish, every chef and restaurant owner will be against your business
14:41 TR News; Mist, our middleware tool, runs in a separate process, runs concurrently with RetroArch Steam, and functions as a bridge between this separate process interfacing with Steamworks and the GPL application itself running in an entirely different process. https://www.pcgamesn.com/emulation/retroarch-steam-deck-emulation
14:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pcgamesn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pcgamesn.com/emulation/retroarch-steam-deck-emulation
14:41 TR Bot; update makes Steam Deck emulation better | PCGamesN
14:41 matey; its a code, its not law
14:42 matey; this way everyone has a right to promote themselves with their own best offering, and its basically untouchable
14:43 matey; but i can make gordan ramsays risotto and no one will care. though simply as a matter of style id probably add my own touch to it anyway
14:44 matey; thats assuming i can make risotto for shit, which i cant
14:45 matey; what you cant do (regarding copyright) is copy recipes verbatim out of a book
14:46 matey; the process and the ingredients cant be copyrighted-- but the actual wording can
14:46 matey; cc-licensed recipes then save you the trouble of rewriting the whole thing
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14:55 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/Eyzww91.jpeg
14:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/Eyzww91.jpeg
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 35.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 221.15
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15:06 TR News; Court erred in Neo4j ruling Software Freedom Conservancy - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/02/court_neo4j_ruling/ Source: theregister
15:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/02/court_neo4j_ruling/
15:06 TR Bot; Court erred in Neo4j ruling Software Freedom Conservancy The Register
15:06 schestowitz-TR; SFC will drag a judge out
15:06 schestowitz-TR; with a CoC
15:06 schestowitz-TR; and BY-the-CoC
15:08 TR News; Avergae Apple cons00mer: meh, it does not cost anything. Must be malware. https://osxdaily.com/2022/03/27/get-nano-text-editor-mac/
15:08 TR Bot; How to Install nano Text Editor on Mac Again
15:11 TR News; How Microsofters explain GIMP: "its free to download and open source, making it work well with the community, and everyone can work on the source codes." https://windowsreport.com/windows-11-free-photo-editor/
15:11 TR Bot; 5+ best free photo editors for Windows 11
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15:12 TR News; This likely a plagiarism site: "GIMP refers to GNU Image Manipulation Program and is one of the most well-known alternatives to Photoshop. The best part is GIMP is good for both beginner photo editors and advanced photo editors too." https://www.thetealmango.com/technology/8-free-alternatives-to-photoshop-in-2022/
15:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thetealmango.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thetealmango.com/technology/8-free-alternatives-to-photoshop-in-2022/
15:12 TR Bot; 8 Free Alternatives To Photoshop in 2022 - The Teal Mango
15:17 TR News; The April 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163267
15:17 TR Bot; The April 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine | Tux Machines
15:21 TR News; First time in years that I see Matt Hartley https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page01.html
15:21 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 1
15:25 matey; <schestowitz-TR> SFC will drag a judge out <- which judge
15:26 schestowitz-TR; the old one
15:26 schestowitz-TR; who says bad things
15:26 schestowitz-TR; and thinks wrong
15:26 matey; i think its the word "judge" (noun) that is confusing me here
15:26 matey; there arent very many of them
15:27 matey; zero i know of with any relationship to sfc
15:27 matey; unless you mean "person who judges" which is nearly anyone, but "person who judges sfc" would narrow it down
15:28 matey; if i were sure what you meant i wouldnt ask
15:28 TR News; Gulag breaks stuff by imposing formats many platforms do not support https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page05.html
15:28 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 5
15:29 matey; /me wonders if pocock is retreating
15:29 TR News; Repo Review: Cryptomator https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page06.
15:29 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page06 )
15:29 matey; im not sure, not much to go on
15:30 matey; also when was gerwitz in a position to censor him? i wasnt aware of him ever being in charge of email at the fsf
15:30 matey; i believe someone did, i dont understand how it could be gerwitz though
15:31 TR News; "GULAG'S DIALER AND MESSAGING APPS HAVE BEEN COLLECTING AND SENDING DATA TO GULAG WITHOUT SPECIFIC NOTICE OR CONSENT, possibly in violation of Europe's GDPR, according to an article on The Register." https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page07.html
15:31 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 7
15:32 TR News; "I hate it when developers try to make things "simpler," especially when something has been one way for a very, very long, LONG time. That's the case with the most recent Firefox 98.0.1. Developers, in their misdirected zeal to "simplify" the download workflow, managed to ROYALLY screw it up." https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page09.html
15:32 TR Bot; PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 9
15:32 matey; Fri 21:54:11 bnchs i hate when servers tell me that IP address of some domain Fri 21:54:14 bnchs fuck that shit
15:32 matey; he was missing the point
15:33 matey; the problem isnt that they do that
15:33 matey; the problem is they often dont
15:33 matey; he got the whole thing 180
15:33 matey; i wasnt complaining about the internet working, but the many ways in which it fails to do so
15:33 matey; its not even a straw man, its an upside down man
15:34 matey; a straw man would have been closer to what it was critiquing (if it was even right side up)
15:34 matey; its like if you complaing above a pinto going up in flames and he said
15:34 TR News; How to Install MX Linux on Your PC https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-install-mx-linux/ Source: makeuseof
15:35 TR Bot; How to Install MX Linux on Your PC
15:35 matey; yeah, i hate it when i get in a car and it takes me places
15:35 matey; okay
15:36 schestowitz-TR; maybe it was poorly phrased
15:36 schestowitz-TR; I too was a little confused by thst statement
15:36 schestowitz-TR; (at the time)
15:36 schestowitz-TR; tor helps obfuscate routes
15:37 matey; XRevan86 matey: "american is actually british english with bits of canadian, spanish and german thrown in" <- It is not. <- sorry, i thought it was obvious i was being facetious, particularly since "canadian" isnt a language
15:38 XRevan86; matey: Right, I'm too used to linguistic freakery at this point.
15:38 TR News; Illinois Tech alumnus Jack Dongarra wins Turi | EurekAlert! https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/948379 Source: eurekalert mentions GNU Octave
15:38 TR Bot; Illinois Tech alumnus Jack Dongarra wins Turi | EurekAlert!
15:38 matey; oh i sympathise, i was actually having fun with it
15:39 matey; i really do prefer facts, unless theres mysticism (directly) involved
15:39 matey; at that point its difficult to find consensus on what "facts" would be
15:40 matey; of course speculation has a place, and when speculation remains unchallenged for the better part of a decade, upgrading to "suspicion" has a place too
15:40 matey; but with regards to linguistics, there are reasonable and sound processes and all that
15:41 XRevan86; Naturally.
15:41 matey; and i dont mind people speculating, provided they know "false friends" are a thing and-- its sad if theres a blatant and obvious angle behind the whole thing, eh?
15:41 XRevan86; But some people confuse their own madness with proper evidence.
15:42 matey; well i think thats part of the nature of madness, but i agree that some people seem like they ought to know better
15:42 TR News; From Russia with love https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/nasa_vande_hei_return/
15:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/nasa_vande_hei_return/
15:42 TR Bot; NASA astronaut returns to Earth on a Russian Soyuz The Register
15:42 XRevan86; matey: Indeed, people wouldn't be mad if they could recognise it.
15:42 matey; at any rate, if i say anything patently ridiculous about word origins or language, its probably a joke-- or a reasonable error
15:42 matey; this one was a joke
15:43 matey; but given the territory, its completely understandable that you were concerned it was something else :)
15:44 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhuNRWskgNQ
15:44 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EhuNRWskgNQ
15:44 TR Bot; yewtu.be | [1435] How To Fill My Wifes Beaver - Invidious
15:44 matey; /me wonders how far back mincers (useful) notation of multimedia urls goes
15:44 XRevan86; MinceR: Not his strongest April 1st.
15:45 MinceR; :>
15:45 MinceR; his others are linked in the description
15:46 matey; /me giggles
15:47 matey; /me writes in to complain that he didnt actually show how to fill it, only how to open it
15:47 matey; if theres any trick to getting the candy in, the video wont show you
15:47 matey; maybe theres a part 2
15:50 MinceR; :>
15:50 MinceR; he also didn't show how that candy probably doesn't work with the vending mechanism
15:52 matey; it depends
15:52 TR News; Microsoft "Defender" as back doors https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sentinelone_microsoft_azure_iot/
15:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sentinelone_microsoft_azure_iot/
15:52 TR Bot; In detail: Bugs patched in Microsoft Azure Defender for IoT The Register
15:53 matey; ive seen machines like that which dispense runts, which are shown in a large bag in the video
15:53 matey; so its quite plausible
15:54 matey; also nestle now owns willy wonka, so that sucks
15:54 TR News; Pushing new buzzwords to create lots of hype https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/puppet_devops_salary/
15:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/puppet_devops_salary/
15:54 TR Bot; DevOps salaries revealed in Puppet report The Register
15:55 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TRozAbaKs9M
15:55 TR Bot; [862] Getting Into My Wifes Beaver (April Fools Video) - Invidious
15:55 matey; his wife has two beavers
15:55 TR News; US taxpayers again forced to bail out or subsidise Microsoft https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/pentagon_delays_jwcc_cloud_deal/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
15:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/pentagon_delays_jwcc_cloud_deal/
15:55 TR Bot; Pentagon again delays JWCC cloud mega-deal The Register
15:55 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
15:56 matey; also nestle now owns willy wonka, so that sucks <- funny how free software is exactly like consumer brands in this regard
15:56 matey; everything is owned by nestle and microsoft
15:56 TR News; Can't they just leave ARM alone? https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sk_hynix_may_head_up/
15:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sk_hynix_may_head_up/
15:56 TR Bot; SK Hynix may head up consortium to buy Arm The Register
15:56 matey; "indie" music labels owned by major riaa labels, etc
15:57 matey; "i liked free software before it went all mainstream" or really, before it was utterly co-opted
15:57 matey; by people who hate freedom.
15:59 TR News; How to blame VMware problems on anyone but VMware https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/log4j-malware-sophos-vmware-horizon/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware#2022
15:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/log4j-malware-sophos-vmware-horizon/
15:59 TR Bot; Log4j attacks hit remote-work tool VMware Horizon report The Register
15:59 TR Bot; VMware - Techrights
16:01 matey; not worth the time it takes, but i still thought it was funny https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dmbpagijVkk
16:01 TR Bot; Lee Mack's Joke Leaves John Cleese In Near Tears | The Graham Norton Show - Invidious
16:01 TR News; Microsoft boosters' sites make the wrong assumption that developers are using Windows https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2022/04/01/preparing-cifar-data.aspx
16:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: visualstudiomagazine.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2022/04/01/preparing-cifar-data.aspx
16:01 TR Bot; Preparing CIFAR Image Data for PyTorch -- Visual Studio Magazine
16:03 TR News; Being kind to people who deserve kindness is an important attribute/skill; sadly, sociopathic corporations and the tactless people they put in charge of projects/communities mostly ruin projects http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/kindness-to-the-worthy/
16:03 TR Bot; Being Nice to Each Other and Avoidance of Miscommunication | Techrights
16:03 TR News; In the so-called free market, Microsoft crime simply pays off and there's an incentive to engage in corruption (even in the future) http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/microsoft-crime-unpunished/
16:03 TR Bot; Microsoft Crime: A Week Later No Investigation Launched, No Microsoft Executives Prosecuted, Nobody Phoned the Police, Not Even a Slap on the Wrist | Techrights
16:04 matey; this is priceless https://yewtu.be/watch?v=f74L2hRZE1Y
16:04 TR News; The geeky-gadgets Web site pivots to Webspam https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/last-minute-deal-linux-administration-bootcamp-save-60-24-03-2022/
16:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: geeky-gadgets.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/last-minute-deal-linux-administration-bootcamp-save-60-24-03-2022/
16:04 TR Bot; John Cleese Offered To Kill His Mom To Cheer Her Up | CONAN on TBS - Invidious
16:04 TR Bot; Last Minute Deal: Linux Administration Bootcamp - Geeky Gadgets
16:04 matey; (john cleese)
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16:06 TR News; Cause of global warming identified https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/nvidia_releases_1999_8kcapable_geforce/
16:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/nvidia_releases_1999_8kcapable_geforce/
16:06 TR Bot; Nvidia's $1,999, 8K-capable GeForce RTX 3090 Ti GPU is out The Register
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16:08 TR News; "This week I changed vehicles and took the train again --- after a much too long period of trying to evade the plague by car (successfully so). In a nutshell, commuting by train takes quite a bit longer, but I don't need to pay much attention, so it is not as exhausting." gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/20220402-commute-5.gmi
16:08 MinceR; lol @ Cleese
16:09 bnchs; john cheese
16:09 MinceR; that's someone else
16:09 TR News; How to see running IP Services on Linux with ss gemini://blog.datapulp.de/how-to-see-running-ip-services-on-linux-with-ss
16:09 bnchs; i will kill your mom with a heart attack
16:09 MinceR; still funny, but not as funny
16:09 bnchs; thats john cheese
16:10 bnchs; yeah
16:12 bnchs; i hate how duckduckgo is biased towards microsoft
16:12 bnchs; even with shit like fastcgi documentation
16:12 bnchs; it brings up MS IIS crap
16:12 TR News; "I distro hopped a lot in my early twenties. Eventually I mostly used Debian at university, Ubuntu for personal computers (the hardware support has always been good in Ubuntu), and Red Hat for work. On my servers I run Raspberry Pi OS (formerly Raspbian) Lite, which I guess is pretty much Debian." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-02-i-answer-questions-part-i.gmi
16:12 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163268
16:12 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
16:12 bnchs; and then fastcgi nginx and fastcgi library documentation
16:12 bnchs; nobody fucking uses MS IIS
16:13 bnchs; microsoft duckduckgo
16:13 TR News; "Now that I'm using a slower laptop I've turned off JS by default in uBlock Origin. Pretty much every site that isn't a personal blog refuses to have even basic functionality without JS. An incomplete list of sites or apps that don't work at all (and I do mean that they don't work at all)" gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-02-everything-breaks-experiencing-the-web-without-javascript.gmi
16:13 matey; /me /me suddenly thinks audrey and sybils mum from fawlty towers are both based loosely on cleeses mum
16:14 matey; audreys always complaining (to which sybils goes OH, I KNOOOOOOW) and when sybil talks about her mum she says "my mother didnt have a life force, it was more of a death force, really"
16:14 matey; both sound like cleeses mum
16:15 TR News; DST woes. "This year the artificial jet lag might play out for me just nicely --- due to my other not so well being I tend to go to sleep very early, 21h local time or even sooner." gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/20220402-clock-skew.gmi
16:16 TR News; Self-nuke? Self-slapped? gemini://rawtext.club/~sloum/geminews/npr/current/1.gmi
16:17 matey; "How's Audrey?" "She's in a terrible state." "Ah, good, good."
16:17 bnchs; https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fastcgi+documentation+c
16:17 TR Bot; fastcgi documentation c at DuckDuckGo
16:18 schestowitz-TR; DDG = Micreosoft
16:18 bnchs; first result: how to use php fastcgi in MS IIS
16:18 bnchs; second result: fastcgi library for .NET C#
16:18 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft recommends Microsoft
16:18 bnchs; i specifically put "c"
16:19 schestowitz-TR; microsoft <3 C
16:19 schestowitz-TR; microsoft owns C
16:19 bnchs; yes
16:19 bnchs; why should it return MS IIS tutorials
16:19 bnchs; and a C# library
16:19 matey; i specifically put "c" <- try "c " :)
16:19 schestowitz-TR; c sharp knife... at the back
16:20 matey; a rusty sharp knife
16:20 bnchs; the first result is MS IIS documentation
16:20 bnchs; where the only found oocurance was the character "C"
16:20 matey; the first result is MS IIS documentation <- all results are equal, some are more equal than others
16:20 bnchs; and "fastcgi"
16:21 TR News; Zlib data compressor fixes 17-year-old security bug - patch, errrm, now - Naked Security https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2022/03/29/zlib-data-compressor-fixes-17-year-old-security-bug-patch-errr-now/ Source: nakedsecurity
16:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: sophos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2022/03/29/zlib-data-compressor-fixes-17-year-old-security-bug-patch-errr-now/
16:21 TR Bot; Zlib data compressor fixes 17-year-old security bug patch, errrm, now Naked Security
16:21 bnchs; "fastcgi documentation linux"
16:21 bnchs; you can guess
16:21 TR News; Neither. Fake dichotomy. Fakecoin dichotomy. https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/03/29/2412285/0/en/Unix-Hash-Ethereum-vs-Bitcoin-Which-One-Is-a-Better-Investment.html
16:21 TR Bot; Unix Hash: Ethereum vs. Bitcoin, Which One Is a Better
16:21 bnchs; first result: MS IIS again
16:21 bnchs; second result: MONO
16:22 matey; third result: will smith slaps chris rock
16:22 bnchs; remember MS IIS is a windows-only program
16:22 bnchs; third result: MS IIS again
16:22 matey; c#hris rock
16:22 bnchs; fourth result: finally nginx fastcgi
16:23 matey; try doing a search on: nginx fastcgi "c"
16:23 matey; see how low nginx is
16:23 TR News; Russia is losing in its home(land). Chelsea 1 - 3 Brentford. F'king Brentford!
16:23 bnchs; first result: nginx stack overflow question
16:24 matey; slightly better
16:24 matey; duck duck gates
16:24 schestowitz-TR; suck suck 5 dollars
16:25 bnchs; i like how even for "fastcgi documentation linux" (what i expected was library documentation for open market's fcgi libraries)
16:25 bnchs; it returns MS IIS and mono crap
16:26 TR News; Viasat Hack Tied to Data-Wiping Malware Designed to Shut Down Modems | PCMag https://www.pcmag.com/news/viasat-hack-tied-to-data-wiping-malware-designed-to-shut-down-modems Source: pcmag
16:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pcmag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pcmag.com/news/viasat-hack-tied-to-data-wiping-malware-designed-to-shut-down-modems
16:26 TR Bot; Hack Tied to Data-Wiping Malware Designed to Shut Down Modems | PCMag
16:26 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: and some DISTROS preload DDG
16:26 schestowitz-TR; I never forgive them
16:26 bnchs; yeah
16:26 schestowitz-TR; if they do it for free, double the wounding
16:26 bnchs; its a mirror of bing with a different brand and look
16:26 schestowitz-TR; they actively send users to Microsoft
16:26 matey; and some DISTROS preload DDG <- what, in the browser? or as an icon
16:26 bnchs; literally NOTHING
16:27 matey; / menu item
16:27 schestowitz-TR; matey: defeault search
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16:27 bnchs; ok gulag's search is way better
16:27 bnchs; "fastcgi documentation c"
16:28 bnchs; returns the documentation for open market's fcgi libraries
16:28 matey; they actively send users to Microsoft <- im not sure sending them to google is better
16:28 bnchs; as first result
16:28 matey; ddg might be just as bad (or almost) but googles bad reputation is a lot older (and running strong)
16:28 bnchs; ddg is just a mirror of bing with a different brand and look
16:28 bnchs; hosted on microsoft azure
16:28 bnchs; has microsoft ads
16:28 matey; thats at least partly true
16:28 bnchs; proprietary
16:29 TR News; VMware is back doors https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2022/03/31/two-different-vmware-spring-bugs-at-large-we-cut-through-the-confusion/
16:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: sophos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2022/03/31/two-different-vmware-spring-bugs-at-large-we-cut-through-the-confusion/
16:29 TR Bot; Two different VMware Spring bugs at large we cut through the confusion Naked Security
16:29 matey; proprietary <- and google releases the source code to their engine?
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16:29 matey; roy is talking about ddg like its the greater evil
16:29 matey; i hate both google and microsoft, im not sure ddg is better but i dont know why anyone would think its worse
16:30 matey; 15:26 <schestowitz-TR> I never forgive them <- you forgive them for sending people to google though
16:30 schestowitz-TR; gulag does not seek to obliterate us
16:31 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft does
16:31 schestowitz-TR; bnchs demonstrated that well
16:31 schestowitz-TR; if you search for things
16:31 schestowitz-TR; DDG markets its masters
16:32 matey; there are worse things than bias. are we building this comparison on the idea that google doesnt returned biased results?
16:32 matey; google doesnt work without js, ddg does
16:33 matey; google doesnt work with tor, ddg does
16:33 matey; ddg is based, ah! but google isnt...
16:33 matey; riiiiiiiiiight
16:33 matey; this is a silly comparison imo
16:33 matey; "hosted on azure" but we forgive people for using github CONSTANTLY
16:34 matey; we draw the line at ddg
16:34 matey; im not saying use ddg, but to use google you have to:
16:34 matey; 1. turn on js
16:34 matey; 2. turn off tor
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16:34 matey; 3. submit to fingerprinting 12 ways from sunday
16:35 bnchs; wrong on first reason
16:35 matey; 4. you still get biased results from an evil company
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16:35 bnchs; gulag does have a JS-free version
16:35 matey; good to know
16:35 matey; i know they used to, i didnt think it worked anymore
16:35 bnchs; well its both JS-free and compatible with older browsers
16:35 matey; /me fires up netsurf
16:35 bnchs; i think you can make it return it with a unknown user agent
16:36 matey; (and where is netsurf hosted)
16:36 matey; hmm, google works in netsurf with js off
16:36 matey; wild
16:37 matey; didnt know that still worked
16:37 matey; /me runs netsurf with tor
16:37 bnchs; hmmm
16:37 bnchs; captcha time
16:38 matey; yep
16:38 matey; but apparently a lot of google fingerprinting is optional
16:38 matey; because you can turn js off
16:38 matey; they only want your ip
16:39 bnchs; hmmm
16:39 bnchs; odd thing
16:39 bnchs; i tried out google in tor browser
16:40 bnchs; it does work although with a language dependent on the exit node's country
16:40 bnchs; so its german
16:40 bnchs; whats better than ddg is that you can search for images without javascript
16:41 bnchs; in ddg you have to enable javascript to even search for images
16:41 matey; i tried out google in tor browser <- this doesnt work for me
16:42 matey; though since its based on a blacklist, you could find an exit node that isnt blacklisted yet
16:42 bnchs; it does
16:42 matey; it does <- not for me
16:42 bnchs; in some german exit node
16:42 matey; in some german exit node <- of course if there were some way for me to choose an exit node rather than getting a new one at random
16:42 bnchs; then it wouldnt be so anonymous
16:43 matey; but youve said things that are better about google search, and theyre valid
16:43 matey; <bnchs> then it wouldnt be so anonymous <- of course
16:43 schestowitz-TR; [16:33] <matey> "hosted on azure" but we forgive people for using github CONSTANTLY
16:43 matey; and i understand the priority in the decision
16:43 schestowitz-TR; who is we?
16:43 schestowitz-TR; also, it's missing the point
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16:43 matey; <schestowitz-TR> who is we? <- most people
16:43 matey; <schestowitz-TR> also, it's missing the point <- im not so sure
16:43 schestowitz-TR; the sresulted are pulled from Microsoft
16:43 bnchs; i would have used ddg
16:43 schestowitz-TR; not just Microsoft server
16:44 bnchs; if image search didnt require JS
16:44 matey; <schestowitz-TR> the sresulted are pulled from Microsoft <- and with google theyre pulled from google
16:44 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
16:44 TR Bot; DuckDuckGo - Techrights
16:44 bnchs; matey: yeah but
16:44 matey; i think theyre both crap
16:44 bnchs; duckduckgo is supposed to be different from bing
16:45 matey; duckduckgo is supposed to be different from bing <- and its not very much
16:45 bnchs; it shouldnt be a bing with a fresh coat of paint
16:45 matey; i agree
16:45 bnchs; duckduckgo rewards
16:45 matey; i mean for me, google vs bing is like hitler vs stalin
16:45 bnchs; definitely not a copy of microsoft rewards
16:46 matey; both dictators, both murderers, both insane
16:47 matey; and if one was running against the other in election with two candidates
16:47 matey; /me shrugs
16:47 matey; but i dont know why people who voted for hitler would say they cant forgive the ones that voted for stalin
16:47 matey; theyre both awful
16:47 bnchs; im not voting for gulag
16:48 matey; it was more directed at roys comment
16:48 bnchs; even in android browser
16:48 matey; <schestowitz-TR> I never forgive them
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16:48 bnchs; it doesnt let you specify a custom search engine
16:48 bnchs; its either duckduckgo, bing, gulag and other shit
16:48 matey; <bnchs> it doesnt let you specify a custom search engine <- thats bad
16:49 matey; i used to think maybe android could be...
16:49 matey; i tell people dont use android. for anything.
16:49 matey; dont get a smartphone.
16:49 matey; also, dont get a smartphone.
16:49 schestowitz-TR; putting microsoft's in gnu/linux users' face is like putting pork in a halal meat or a vegan's plate
16:50 matey; putting microsoft's in gnu/linux users' face is like putting pork in a halal meat or a vegan's plate <- no, its like giving chicken to someone who already ordered beef
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16:50 matey; or who was already served beef (and now its replaced with chicken instead)
16:50 bnchs; especially in browsers that dont let you specify a custom search engine
16:51 bnchs; its like shoving pork in halal/vegan's mouth
16:51 matey; if theyre vegan, maybe dont go to a rub place (or go to one with a vegan section in the menu)
16:51 matey; <bnchs> its like shoving pork in halal/vegan's mouth <- again! how is google (which they already had) vegan?
16:51 matey; this is ridiculous
16:51 bnchs; no
16:51 matey; thats not
16:51 bnchs; read the post before that
16:51 matey; <bnchs> especially in browsers that dont let you specify a custom search engine <- ok
16:52 matey; well browsers that dont let you specify a custom engine shouldnt exist at all
16:52 bnchs; lol
16:52 matey; and distributions that ship browsers that dont let you specify
16:52 matey; its a valid thing to say
16:52 bnchs; even the android browser doesnt obey "enable javascript" in google
16:52 bnchs; even if you disable JS
16:53 bnchs; it still executes gulag's JS
16:53 matey; and distributions that ship browsers that dont let you specify a custom engine shouldnt exist either
16:53 bnchs; fuck gulag
16:53 matey; <bnchs> fuck gulag <- this actually started with me being surprised that anyone would find ddg worse than google
16:53 bnchs; yeah
16:53 bnchs; both of them are awful
16:54 bnchs; replace ddg with bing
16:54 bnchs; no differenxe
16:54 matey; <bnchs> replace ddg with bing <- lets try it
16:55 matey; first thing i notice is this...
16:55 matey; 1. ddg gives me a box with a few links (i have css turned off)
16:55 matey; theres no clutter
16:55 matey; 2. bing gives me a huge pile of shit to scroll through
16:55 matey; lets see how many times i have to hit pgdn to type something in
16:56 matey; actually none, its on the first page.
16:56 matey; fair enough
16:56 matey; i type in a query, i get a result
16:57 matey; i type in the same query into ddg
16:57 matey; i get more results. dozens more.
16:57 matey; TWO results in bing.
16:57 matey; wait, iw as wrong
16:57 matey; theres more results
16:58 matey; i just wasnt seeing them because in bing the output is so wonky, results are spaced apart more and theres a lot more scrolling
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 57.41 k/sec., IPFS upstream 63.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.83
16:59 matey; but ddg is more usable
17:00 matey; if you want results on a page, you can have crap with ddg, or more crap with bing
17:00 matey; considering that someone with at least 2 weeks of web design experience designed ddg and bing was designed by... microsoft, not too surprising
17:00 matey; if you try bing and ddg side by side for a week i think youll find bing is not as nice to use
17:01 bnchs; well thats true
17:01 bnchs; microsoft designed sites appear like shit
17:01 matey; maybe using bing is more honest, since theyre mostly the same
17:01 matey; but as long as people know what ddg is... no reason to use bing instead
17:01 matey; also ddg may help microsoft
17:01 matey; but bing helps bings marketshare
17:01 bnchs; "ddg may help microsoft"
17:01 bnchs; yeah thats why i hate it
17:02 matey; honestly, id rather help ddg marketshare than bings
17:02 matey; <bnchs> yeah thats why i hate it <- its a good reason to hate it
17:02 bnchs; it uses microsoft's ad network
17:02 matey; i still think googles ad network is the worst on earth
17:02 matey; at least of the ones we know
17:03 matey; ddg is an alternative to google. just not a "real" alternative
17:03 matey; the way that indie labels are an alternative to mainstream labels (but not really, since the mainstream labels own them)
17:04 matey; no matter who you vote for, you always get giafam
17:04 bnchs; just use searx
17:04 matey; i sometimes do
17:04 bnchs; maybe with wiby
17:04 matey; i have ddg blocked by default in my web browser
17:04 matey; it wont load the site at all, unless i enable it
17:05 matey; google doesnt come up, and wont serve me results anyway
17:05 matey; 9 times out of 10 (probably more)
17:06 matey; /me goes to wiby
17:06 matey; 403 Forbidden
17:06 matey; maybe theyre having an off week
17:07 bnchs; no
17:07 bnchs; they blacklist some tor nodes
17:07 bnchs; i dont know why
17:07 matey; pity
17:07 bnchs; but you have to make new tor circuits
17:07 bnchs; until it works
17:08 matey; i do about half my web browsing in a text editor
17:08 bnchs; yeah
17:08 matey; particularly if its just for one page, not for navigation
17:08 matey; if theres a form involved i probably use a browser
17:08 bnchs; and wiby is supposed to compatible with basic browsers
17:08 bnchs; i mean basic HTML rendering
17:09 matey; yeah i watched a video about it
17:17 TR News; Chelsea destroyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOm_6D4nio8
17:17 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oOm_6D4nio8
17:17 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Brentford - Chelsea (4 - 1) Highlights & All Goals - Invidious
17:19 TR News; Terrible positioning by goalkeeper https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2sYAuihHT_s
17:19 TR Bot; rudiger goal vs brentford - YouTube
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17:21 coopid; <3
17:21 TR News; Microsoft's mole in The Register, Microsoft Tim (Anderson), is barely involved anymore. But Simon Sharwood covers for him...
17:22 TR News; They should try F-Droid https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sanctionfree_alternative_to_google_play/
17:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sanctionfree_alternative_to_google_play/
17:22 TR Bot; Russian devs plan alternative to Google Play The Register
17:23 bnchs; hello coopid
17:23 coopid; hallo
17:23 TR News; "The document above contains a log of what looks like the attack on Sitel, and detail a login over RDP followed by a Bing search for "Privilege escalation tools on GitHub" from a compromised machine. There's also evidence of malware downloads, termination of security software processes, and further skulduggery." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/lapsus_return_okta_fallout/
17:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/lapsus_return_okta_fallout/
17:23 TR Bot; Lapsus$ extortion gang pulls new heist, say researchers The Register
17:24 schestowitz-TR; 0/
17:24 psydruid; so Eriksen scored again
17:25 TR News; "In the Linux world, there are two terms that get used a lotGNOME and GNU. GNOME is one of a few desktop environments Linux users can choose, it is part of the GNU Project, which is an operating system." https://www.howtogeek.com/792453/5-tech-terms-youre-saying-wrong/
17:25 TR Bot; 5 Tech Terms Youre Saying Wrong
17:26 bnchs; "a Bing search for "Privilege escalation tools on GitHub" from a compromised machine."
17:26 bnchs; first mistake
17:26 bnchs; microsoft rewards (fbi with data)
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17:30 TR News; Lilbits: F(x)tec Pro1-X keyboard phone, Motorola hits #3 in US smartphone sales, Steam Deck answers, and more Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163269
17:30 TR Bot; Lilbits: F(x)tec Pro1-X keyboard phone, Motorola hits #3 in US smartphone sales, Steam Deck answers, and more | Tux Machines
17:32 bnchs; steam deck
17:44 coopid; stream deck?
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17:45 coopid; spynim
17:45 bnchs; steam deck
17:46 coopid; steam pad
17:47 *techrights_guest|44 (~7811bcca@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
17:47 coopid; pads are only good to play beatmups
17:47 *psydroid4 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights
17:49 *coopid wonders if this hacking groups arent just fronts for secret agencies
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17:52 kingoffrance; sure, but other way around too surely :)
17:53 coopid; fbi : we cant do this things legally.. get some snitch kifs to do it foe us.
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17:54 coopid; zukerberg is surelly one of the kids
17:56 XRevan86; https://smbc-comics.com/comic/prescriptive
17:56 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Prescriptive
17:56 coopid; triple factor auth
17:56 coopid; using dna
17:56 coopid; to log into the metaverse
17:57 coopid; sign-in blood
18:01 matey; <coopid> sign-in blood <- theyll use biometric scans first
18:02 matey; password + person device + look at the circle
18:02 matey; personal
18:02 MinceR; implanted RFID chip
18:02 matey; they wont come with a dongle that pricks your finger until they want 4fa
18:03 matey; /me always wanted to use
18:03 matey; "dongle" and "prick" in the same line
18:03 matey; how to access my wifes dongle
18:03 coopid; security thru identification
18:04 coopid; security for the idear
18:04 matey; "the less secure we make things, the more of your personal details we get"
18:04 matey; its a vicious cycle-- the more of your personal details they get, the less secure they make things
18:05 coopid; your personal details they get the more are leaked
18:05 coopid; and less secure you are
18:05 matey; in soviet russia, google gives you all their personal information
18:06 matey; in soviet russia, ukraine invades r-- no, wait
18:06 MinceR; in soviet russia, the nazis call their enemies nazis
18:07 kingoffrance; +MinceR
18:07 matey; stalin made a pact with hitler then told everyone his (soviet) political rival was a nazi sympathiser
18:07 coopid; just like in trumps usa
18:08 matey; trumps usa doesnt exist. it belongs to the riaa again
18:09 matey; and the riaa is owned by disney
18:09 matey; so technically, what youre actually referring to is disneyland
18:10 coopid; disney+
18:10 MinceR; :>
18:10 matey; my favourite part of disneyland is homelessworld
18:11 matey; where they pay crowds of people to huddle around fires and try to move their tents often enough that the staff in police costumes dont slash them with razors
18:11 matey; its a dumb world after all
18:11 matey; its a dumb, dumb world
18:13 matey; mincers favourite daemonfcs favourite part of disneyland is the windy city joyride
18:13 MinceR; lol
18:14 matey; when you correct a line by pretending to hit backspace
18:14 matey; /me mimes it
18:14 matey; white gloves reduce tactile feedback
18:14 *kingoffrance mimes help, im trapped inside a sov citizen box comment/hieroglyphic
18:15 matey; soviet inception
18:15 kingoffrance; just draw a little stick figure in a box on all your legal documents
18:15 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/could-not-connect-to-translator-service.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/06/404-barber-not-found/ )
18:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/could-not-connect-to-translator-service.jpg
18:15 TR Bot; 404 Barber not found.
18:15 matey; i bought a copy of inception for my niece to encourage her to learn lisp
18:18 matey; And Chicago isn't even the windiest big city: Boston gets that honor, with average speeds of about 19 mph (kph) [source: NOAA]. In fact, there are 78 places ahead of Chicago's measly 10.3 mph (16.6 kph) [source: Skilling]. So while it might be a "windy city," it's certainly not the windiest.
18:18 matey; my guess is they paid off the weatherman
18:18 matey; "just say its the windiest"
18:18 TR News; The April 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163267
18:18 TR Bot; The April 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine | Tux Machines
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18:20 matey; i think ive heard of one of these https://flatironschool.com/blog/best-tech-companies-in-chicago/
18:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: flatironschool.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://flatironschool.com/blog/best-tech-companies-in-chicago/
18:20 TR Bot; The 25 Best Tech Companies in Chicago to Work for in 2021 | Flatiron School
18:20 matey; i was trying to help dfc tie more of what he says to tech (because it would be funny if it was that easy)
18:21 matey; he can talk about how much crime there is outside of the avant offices
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18:21 coopid; whats the unwindy city
18:22 matey; catalina foothills in arizona
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18:23 matey; followed by tucson
18:23 matey; i guess if you see a tumbleweed out there, you better push it along manually
18:23 MinceR; the city where called functions return to
18:23 matey; /me wishes he got that one
18:23 bnchs; matey
18:23 bnchs; i said something
18:24 matey; okay what was it
18:24 bnchs; followed it by "disregard that"
18:24 bnchs; and it didnt send
18:24 coopid; so that the place to unwind
18:24 matey; <bnchs> followed it by "disregard that" <- i have a small number of filters on, so the bots dont bot
18:25 matey; but maybe your client is self-aware
18:26 matey; lets see how far this goes
18:26 matey; say something, then follow it up with "strike that last comment" and see what happens
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18:26 matey; wow, it worked. sort of
18:27 matey; it actually anticipated it and stopped you from sending it
18:27 matey; impressive
18:28 MinceR; it is also the city where exceptions are handled
18:28 TR News; Funded by the Putin regime... to play Battlefield 2142 https://twitter.com/reactos/status/1508723134962171906 https://twitter.com/reactos/status/1509447911184216066
18:28 TR Bot; Battlefield 1942 working on #ReactOS! Sound does not work, performance is good with 3D accerelation and VirtualBox https://t.co/UVLJwTAd1b
18:28 TR Bot; Battlefield 1942 working on #ReactOS! Sound does not work, performance is good with 3D accerelation and VirtualBox https://t.co/UVLJwTAd1b
18:28 TR Bot; Battlefield 2142 works on #ReactOS! Mouse cursor is invisible. Sometimes it stutters on VirtualBox even on high gr https://t.co/grvBJrnGVP
18:28 TR Bot; Battlefield 2142 works on #ReactOS! Mouse cursor is invisible. Sometimes it stutters on VirtualBox even on high gr https://t.co/grvBJrnGVP
18:28 matey; hal, send a privmsg to the pod bay doors
18:28 matey; im sorry dave, i cant do that
18:29 matey; it is also the city where exceptions are handled <- for a small fee, of course
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18:30 bnchs; matey: fuck
18:30 bnchs; i said "disregard that"
18:30 matey; how does it know?
18:30 bnchs; and it immediatly ping timeout
18:30 matey; i saw
18:30 bnchs; yeah
18:30 matey; maybe its just looking out for you, trying to keep you from saying something you ought not to
18:31 matey; /me blames ukraine and will smith
18:31 bnchs; disregard that
18:31 TR News; Intel Media SDK has been outsourced or offloaded to Microsoft criminals. The code is now managed by proprietary software prison, GitHub. Intel was invaded, internally, by Microsoft boosters after it had actually embraced self-hosted Free tools.
18:31 matey; it sent that time
18:31 bnchs; damn
18:31 matey; now its just fucking with you
18:31 matey; it thinks youre playing a game and wants to play too
18:32 matey; it might be in league with ddg
18:32 matey; or its on another level entirely, and playing google and ddg against each other
18:33 matey; the it will kill whoever the victor is, and become the highlander
18:33 matey; good news: no google or ddg
18:33 bnchs; more like a spoiler
18:33 matey; bad news: possibly something worse (and unknown, and immortal)
18:34 TR News; Hugginn is an open-source Zaphir and IFTTT alternative https://medevel.com/hugginn/
18:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/hugginn/
18:34 TR Bot; Hugginn is an open-source Zaphir and IFTTT alternative
18:34 TR News; Wacom Leads the Way with Pens and Tablets for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163270
18:34 TR Bot; Wacom Leads the Way with Pens and Tablets for Linux | Tux Machines
18:34 matey; yeah "spolier alert" is one of the more useless footnotes
18:34 matey; its dumbledore that gets killed[1]
18:34 matey; 1. spoiler alert
18:34 bnchs; yeah well
18:36 bnchs; snape gets killed
18:36 matey; with his own spell, rotten
18:37 matey; at least at first, i dont know if they avada him after
18:37 bnchs; i never watched harry potter
18:37 bnchs; nor read the books
18:39 coopid; spoiler alert good for you
18:39 coopid; you didnt missed anything
18:39 TR News; Xfce Terminal 1.0.0 stable release Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163271
18:39 TR Bot; Xfce Terminal 1.0.0 stable release | Tux Machines
18:41 matey; the books were alright
18:42 coopid; harry potter should be forbifen for people with more then 8 years old
18:42 matey; my friends a tolkien fan, i think he issued a fatwa against her
18:42 matey; he had to get in line of course
18:42 TR News; Offpunk 1.3 :Making it Easy and Useful gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-04-02-offpunk13.gmi
18:42 TR News; Software: Hugginn, Firefox, Cryptomator, and Calories Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163272
18:42 TR Bot; Software: Hugginn, Firefox, Cryptomator, and Calories | Tux Machines
18:42 matey; <coopid> harry potter should be forbifen <- because banning books doesnt increase their appeal or anything
18:42 coopid; tolkien is alot better
18:43 MinceR; people can figure that out for themselves
18:43 bnchs; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biaKOmtE8Do
18:43 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=biaKOmtE8Do
18:43 TR Bot; yewtu.be | My mistake Original Gangsta (full version) - Invidious
18:43 matey; <MinceR> people can figure that out for themselves <- to be fair, maybe they cant
18:43 MinceR; that's their problem
18:43 TR News; Offpunk would let us share the all of techrights for offline access as GemText files gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/
18:43 matey; yes
18:43 matey; there we agree
18:43 bnchs; empty the compartments of your pantalo
18:44 coopid; matey you could read it but it would be a waste of time
18:45 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/small-breasts-are-cucumbers.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/07/now-im-hungry/ )
18:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/small-breasts-are-cucumbers.jpg
18:45 TR Bot; Now Im hungry.
18:45 bnchs; harry potter in the hood
18:45 matey; dont call him harry potter "cause my name is h. piddy
18:46 TR News; "As you may have noticed in recent days, my domain registrar (HostFast) suspended cnx-software.com domain for what I believe are dubious reasons, meaning the site was inaccessible to the outside world and myself." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/31/how-to-install-a-dns-server-on-your-linux-computer/
18:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/31/how-to-install-a-dns-server-on-your-linux-computer/
18:46 TR Bot; How to Install dnsmasq caching DNS server in Ubuntu - CNX Software
18:46 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: ^
18:46 schestowitz-TR; he does not provide further details
18:46 schestowitz-TR; but that explains why it was offline
18:47 TR News; Nitrux 2.1.0 Releases with KDE Plasma 5.24.4, Native iOS Device Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163273
18:47 TR Bot; Nitrux 2.1.0 Releases with KDE Plasma 5.24.4, Native iOS Device Support | Tux Machines
18:47 bnchs; no this cannot be forgiven
18:48 matey; 's favourite harry potter joke is when norm macdonald read about how many copies of the order of the phoenix (or maybe goblet of fire) sold
18:48 matey; and said "thats why the next book is going to be called 'harry potter and the end of trees'"
18:49 bnchs; empty the compartments of your pantaloons
18:49 matey; it was funnier because the art staff made a cover for it
18:49 matey; <bnchs> empty the compartments of your pantaloons <- but pantalo works too
18:50 bnchs; yes i learnt a new word
18:50 TR News; GNU GCC and more Microsoft SHitHub https://blog.antoyo.xyz/rustc_codegen_gcc-progress-report-10
18:50 TR Bot; Progress Report #10: rustc_codegen_gcc can now bootstrap rustc!
18:50 bnchs; from a meme
18:50 *techrights_guest|25hb (~330773c7@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
18:52 matey; /me used to encourage creating memes for educational purposes
18:52 matey; specifically with regards to coding
18:52 matey; /me makes one for mincer
18:52 coopid; why do people take everything literally?
18:52 matey; why do people take everything literally? <- they dont take EVERYTHING literally, just some things
18:53 coopid; i thinkl its a thing with computer people
18:54 matey; /me makes a programming-related meme for mincer
18:55 bnchs; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2lAl5z2k6g
18:55 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=E2lAl5z2k6g
18:55 TR Bot; yewtu.be | it appears I have made a mistake - Invidious
18:55 matey; hmm
18:55 matey; /me might have to do this manually
18:55 matey; Exception Details: System.Reflection.TargetParameterCountException: Parameter count mismatch.
18:56 bnchs; by the heavens, C#?
18:56 TR News; Is Finland really the happiest country in the world? Finns weigh in https://www.adn.com/alaska-life/travel/2022/03/31/is-finland-really-the-happiest-country-in-the-world-finns-weigh-in/
18:56 TR Bot; Is Finland really the happiest country in the world? Finns weigh in
18:56 bnchs; NO
18:56 bnchs; ok wait a minute why is this an exception
18:57 TR News; A whole SEA of meaningless buzzwords. Journalism is a dead-end occupation. https://www.technologynetworks.com/tn/articles/lab-40-making-digital-transformation-work-for-your-laboratory-358583
18:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: technologynetworks.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.technologynetworks.com/tn/articles/lab-40-making-digital-transformation-work-for-your-laboratory-358583
18:57 TR Bot; Lab 4.0: Making Digital Transformation Work for Your Laboratory | Technology Networks
18:58 TR News; CNN propping up scams and hype https://www.cnn.com/style/article/fashion-week-metaverse-review/index.html
18:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnn.com/style/article/fashion-week-metaverse-review/index.html
18:58 TR Bot; went to fashion week in the metaverse - CNN Style
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 93.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 351.03
18:59 TR News; makeuseof is boosting Microsoft surveillance and people-farming https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-cold-pitch-to-career-success/
18:59 TR Bot; How to Cold Pitch Your Way to Career Success
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19:00 matey; mincer https://i.ibb.co/1dnGSPs/oop.jpg
19:00 matey; <bnchs> by the heavens, C#? <- memegenerator
19:01 TR News; Gulag wants all your very personal data https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/google-is-coming-for-calendly
19:01 TR Bot; rolls out appointment scheduling feature - Protocol
19:01 matey; <bnchs> ok wait a minute why is this an exception <- maybe because the parameter counts mismatch
19:01 bnchs; yeah
19:01 bnchs; but this is a compile-time thing
19:01 matey; its not dynamic?
19:02 matey; couldnt be a type thing?
19:02 matey; i mean i dont know, ive never used c#
19:02 matey; what if its f# doesnt that have dynamic types?
19:02 TR News; No, just get rid of ChromeOS and install a secure OS without Gulag's proprietary junk https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/google-chrome-zero-day-bug-update-shows-the-benefit-of-lacros-on-a-chromebook/
19:02 Alternative link; Cloudflare: aboutchromebooks.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/google-chrome-zero-day-bug-update-shows-the-benefit-of-lacros-on-a-chromebook/
19:02 TR Bot; Google Chrome zero-day bug update shows the benefit of Lacros on a Chromebook About Chromebooks
19:03 matey; i can imagine a parameter count mismatch in a dynamically typed language
19:03 bnchs; this is the responsibility of the compiler, whom it checks if the code has ambiguities and erratas
19:03 matey; funnily enough, the meme was making fun of oop
19:03 TR News; "GitLab on Thursday issued security updates for three versions of GitLab Community Edition (CE) and Enterprise Edition (EE) software that address, among other flaws, a critical hard-coded password bug." https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/gitlab_security_advisory/
19:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/gitlab_security_advisory/
19:03 TR Bot; GitLab issues security fix for easy account takeover flaw The Register
19:03 bnchs; before translating the code into a language that the CPU can understand better
19:03 matey; this is the responsibility of the compiler, whom it checks if the code has ambiguities and erratas <- it looks like a runtime error to me though
19:03 matey; before translating the code into a language that the CPU can understand better <- maybe jit, i dont know
19:03 bnchs; C# is not dynamic, it is most commonly static
19:04 matey; youre sure its not f# then
19:04 bnchs; but if it is JIT, then i will massacre microsoft in minecraft
19:04 bnchs; in minetest
19:04 matey; maybe theyre using c# fastcgi to dynamically generate and the compile c# on the fly :)
19:05 matey; thats the dirty secret of iis fastcgi
19:06 matey; every time you load a page, fastcgi generates c# code, compiles it and runs it
19:06 coopid; linux being a hobbyist OS sure there's very little(none) updates on the weekends
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19:06 bnchs; no this cannot be foregiven
19:06 bnchs; how dare you compile c# every request
19:06 matey; <bnchs> no this cannot be foregiven <- i dont think it should be
19:06 matey; <bnchs> how dare you compile c# every request <- this is still speculation. i wouldnt put it past them though
19:06 bnchs; it shall make for a DDOS opportunity
19:07 matey; <coopid> linux being a hobbyist OS <- its a hobbyists os, its an ibm os
19:07 matey; its two operating systems in one
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19:07 bnchs; where it will waste CPU cycles and electrical power compiling the code repeatedly
19:07 bnchs; thus causing the computers handling the requests to overbear and eventually collapse
19:08 matey; bnchs: this is part of a combined compiler/cryptominer initiative from microsoft
19:08 coopid; turne it into a coin
19:08 matey; b#
19:08 matey; they got the idea from systemd lumping everythiung together
19:08 matey; of course its all modular
19:08 coopid; sell lots of overpowered hardware PROFIT!
19:09 matey; b# is a compiler, server, cryptocurrency AND windows update distribution p2p network (botnet)
19:09 matey; currently the b# currency is worth 0.051 souls
19:10 matey; but they expect it to rise to the price of half a soul by 2023
19:10 matey; its worth WAY more than bitcoin. depending whose soul we are talking about of course
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19:11 coopid; he leaft so as to not take the hate
19:11 psydruid; it's good to see that Wacom hasn't followed Adobe's "example" of following Microsoft into its death
19:12 coopid; in other unrelated news: steam linux usage dropped to 1%
19:12 bnchs; are you ambiguously referring to a future operating system update in Microsoft Windows 11 where it will implement advertisements in the operating system's default file managing program?
19:13 psydruid; I wasn't even thinking of that, just the driver situation as detailed in their blogpost
19:14 coopid; well only letting users use bing didnt work
19:14 psydruid; Microsoft is kept relevant and in power by "ISVs"
19:15 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163274
19:15 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
19:15 TR News; PiSquare enables wireless Raspberry Pi HAT control though ESP8266 and RP2040 MCUs (Crowdfunding) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163275
19:15 TR Bot; PiSquare enables wireless Raspberry Pi HAT control though ESP8266 and RP2040 MCUs (Crowdfunding) | Tux Machines
19:15 psydruid; > sell lots of overpowered hardware PROFIT!
19:15 psydruid; I doubt it's working anymore, even cheap trash from years ago is very fast
19:16 coopid; not for mining
19:16 psydruid; they're selling new hardware to the Windows crowd
19:16 schestowitz-TR; mining WHAT?
19:16 coopid; actually soon you will need quantum computing to mine
19:16 psydruid; sure, but who cares about that?
19:16 schestowitz-TR; energy companies
19:16 schestowitz-TR; serves them well
19:17 coopid; lots of people
19:17 bnchs; coopid: are you assuming that Valve, the company in charge of designing, manufacturing, and overall creating the Steam Deck, records the amount of devices that still have the default, rebranded as SteamOS, Arch GNU/Linux with KDE Plasma desktop? and in fact assuming that those users NOT may have moved to other GNU/Linux distributions instead of completely different operating systems?
19:18 bnchs; it appears i have made a mistake, i have assumed that your message was related to steamos, my apologies
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19:18 coopid; to mine etherium 4gb of vram isnt enought
19:19 coopid; you need to keep the blockchain im memory
19:19 schestowitz-TR; I use my machines to get work done
19:19 bnchs; Video RAM is ambiguous, It is assuming that the graphics processing unit will omly use it for video-related memory
19:19 schestowitz-TR; not to burn energy doing wasteful crap
19:19 bnchs; It should be renamed to Graphics Processing Unit RAM
19:20 TR News; ASUS Tinker Edge R SBC with 3GB RAM, Rockchip RK3399Pro sells for $179 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163276
19:20 TR Bot; ASUS Tinker Edge R SBC with 3GB RAM, Rockchip RK3399Pro sells for $179 | Tux Machines
19:20 schestowitz-TR; But Vitaly could use some fakecoin to replace the floundering roubles atm
19:21 coopid; venezuela alredy has a coin
19:21 schestowitz-TR; el salvador or evenezuela?
19:21 schestowitz-TR; venezuela hasd real coins
19:21 schestowitz-TR; for the bolivarian nations
19:22 bnchs; You may find that the amount of pretend "money" you have "mined" may not be enough to pay the electricity bill, in result of your mining activities and over clocking your computer processing units
19:22 coopid; also has "crypto" coin
19:22 coopid; electricity bil + hardware
19:22 schestowitz-TR; dodgy bartering is super risky
19:23 schestowitz-TR; some nations have already moved to officially ban it
19:23 schestowitz-TR; and I'm not moving to elsalvador
19:23 schestowitz-TR; you can use hardware and electricity productively
19:23 schestowitz-TR; to get real work done
19:23 schestowitz-TR; not build a virtual economy
19:24 schestowitz-TR; based on graphs
19:24 bnchs; The costs for the hardware required for "mining" is too costly, in result of the inflation caused by unbalanced demand
19:24 coopid; actually you would had make more money sell second hand hardware with oever inflated prices
19:24 bnchs; It is recommended that you pick the safer route and use your money for investing
19:25 coopid; after keeping it running 24/7 for years
19:25 schestowitz-TR; you got some viretual sword
19:25 schestowitz-TR; and polygon wife
19:25 schestowitz-TR; and NFTs and stuff
19:25 bnchs; It is not recommended selling worn-out hardware
19:25 schestowitz-TR; this is all "up in the air"
19:26 bnchs; You may be in legal trouble if you do not properly disclosed if the hardware has been extremely used
19:26 coopid; It is recommended to sell worn-out hardware before it breaks
19:27 coopid; on ebbay?
19:27 bnchs; You are legally obliged to disclose the previous usage of the hardware you're attempting to sell
19:27 coopid; good luck with that
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19:29 bnchs; Including if the hardware has been used extensively for computationally expensive operations
19:30 bnchs; Such as "mining", the form of generating thousands or up to millions of SHA-256 (or the choice of hashing algorithm of your "cryptocurrency") hashes
19:30 coopid; as far as a know theres no milage gauge on grafic cards
19:31 bnchs; coopid: Graphics cards or graphics processing units can be worn-out, and even collapse, due to many conditions
19:31 coopid; thats not the point
19:32 bnchs; It may have to do with the environment the graphics processing unit was in
19:32 coopid; everybody knows that
19:32 bnchs; True
19:32 coopid; actually that was the point i was making
19:33 bnchs; Overheating can cause damage to the computer related processing units
19:33 bnchs; So it is recommended you disclose previous usage of the units
19:33 coopid; i dont know were are you heading with this
19:33 schestowitz-TR; an 'economy' built on buying and wearing things out
19:33 schestowitz-TR; and which scales LESS neatly over time
19:33 bnchs; coopid: *cough cough* stop scamming!
19:33 schestowitz-TR; "petri dish" economics
19:34 schestowitz-TR; MLM enjoy growth... until it cannot grow itself anymore
19:34 coopid; scamming?
19:34 bnchs; yes
19:34 bnchs; selling worn-out stuff before it breaks
19:34 coopid; your crazy
19:34 coopid; thats what makes sence
19:34 bnchs; coopid: Are you planning to disclose the condition of your computer units?
19:35 coopid; im not selling shit my self
19:35 coopid; im just giving an headsup
19:35 coopid; bnchs stop being a dummbass
19:35 bnchs; Can you please cite this "heads up" you have given
19:35 coopid; you really anyong
19:35 bnchs; My mistake, fellow
19:36 bnchs; I may have missed it
19:36 coopid; im not you "fellow
19:36 bnchs; Well, regardless, this discussion is heading nowhere
19:37 coopid; i pointed that out along time ago
19:37 bnchs; Well, sure
19:37 coopid; this interrogatory chat is over
19:37 bnchs; Anyway, continue with your discussion
19:38 coopid; but good to know who is what
19:38 schestowitz-TR; buy equipment
19:38 schestowitz-TR; wear out equipment
19:38 schestowitz-TR; pay out bills
19:38 schestowitz-TR; go into debt
19:38 schestowitz-TR; ell dying equipment
19:38 schestowitz-TR; ...
19:38 schestowitz-TR; profit!! (fake coins)
19:38 schestowitz-TR; the real debt is still there
19:38 schestowitz-TR; just like the fake coins
19:39 schestowitz-TR; one does not cancel the other
19:39 bnchs; Yes
19:39 schestowitz-TR; Congrats, yoo are not fake richman
19:39 schestowitz-TR; *now
19:39 bnchs; One thing I do not understand in this situation
19:39 bnchs; is why would someone go through the pain of torturing their hardware
19:40 bnchs; For a small amount of pretend "money"
19:40 schestowitz-TR; tell the airline you want to buy a flight ticket with ethereum
19:40 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/6x0BvNy.mp4
19:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/6x0BvNy.mp4
19:40 schestowitz-TR; "with WHA???"
19:40 bnchs; The amount of computer power we currently have can be put to good use
19:40 schestowitz-TR; I use 9 screens at the moment
19:40 schestowitz-TR; and 6 machines
19:40 schestowitz-TR; I use them to get actual work done
19:40 bnchs; But unfortunately, people who are too blind with the sight of money
19:41 coopid; schestowitz becarefull if he starts fellowing you
19:41 schestowitz-TR; not run some worthless "stuff"
19:41 schestowitz-TR; running computers for the sake of running computers is an old fad
19:41 bnchs; The risks outweigh the benefits
19:41 schestowitz-TR; 20 years ago as a student I experimented withn this
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19:41 schestowitz-TR; I wrote programs to play computer games
19:42 schestowitz-TR; and did simulations, like computer playing against itself
19:42 schestowitz-TR; using entire computer labs overnight
19:42 schestowitz-TR; it did take up a lot fo energy
19:42 schestowitz-TR; and got some data
19:42 schestowitz-TR; but it wasn't justifying the waste
19:42 schestowitz-TR; I did not pay the energy billthe university did
19:42 coopid; so you invented AI?
19:42 schestowitz-TR; so I could run like 100 machines at once
19:43 schestowitz-TR; this is what fakecoin is
19:43 schestowitz-TR; except
19:43 schestowitz-TR; you don't use that for research papers
19:43 *bnchs (~bnchs@ghj5um7e839a6.irc) has joined #techrights
19:43 schestowitz-TR; but for a fantasy
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19:43 schestowitz-TR; at least I have something to show for it
19:43 schestowitz-TR; not some fake virtual "wallet"
19:43 bnchs; I was planning to say
19:44 bnchs; There was a "environment"-themed "memecoin"
19:44 schestowitz-TR; "oops. my hard drive isn't rotating"
19:44 coopid; fake virtual "wallets" are woth lots of money
19:44 bnchs; That relied on storage, instead of proccessors
19:44 schestowitz-TR; aka "shit, I lost ma wallet!!"
19:44 bnchs; You can guess what happened
19:44 bnchs; People bought tons of hard drives, flash storages
19:44 schestowitz-TR; many "crypto" [sic] exchanges run out of people to scam
19:44 bnchs; In their blinded sight of "money"
19:44 schestowitz-TR; and then the wallets get 'stolen'
19:45 schestowitz-TR; or 'lost;'
19:45 schestowitz-TR; that's how these scheme works
19:45 schestowitz-TR; when they run out of people to join the scheme they look for existing members to scam
19:45 schestowitz-TR; it helps sustain the illusion of stability
19:45 schestowitz-TR; mt gox
19:45 bnchs; It's name was Chia
19:46 schestowitz-TR; chia seeds
19:46 bnchs; And contrary to it's marking saying it's the new environmentally-friendly "coin"
19:46 schestowitz-TR; there are many like it
19:46 schestowitz-TR; they cannot even consolidate on one "coin"
19:46 bnchs; It resulted in thousands of storage devices being dead
19:46 bnchs; and wasted
19:46 schestowitz-TR; they make up a new one
19:46 schestowitz-TR; like a new pyramid
19:46 bnchs; Which could have been put to good use
19:47 bnchs; You could store the entire world's knowledge
19:47 bnchs; But unfortunately, money goes first
19:47 coopid; hardware corps are behind it
19:47 coopid; china marketing at its best
19:48 schestowitz-TR; FOMO
19:48 schestowitz-TR; "omg!!! all those fake millionaires!!! I need to get IN ON THIS QUICK!!!
19:48 bnchs; I'm trying to look for Chia's website
19:48 coopid; thats capitalism for you
19:48 bnchs; But ran into this broken Russian phishing websire
19:48 coopid; Bitcoin is reall money
19:49 schestowitz-TR; "ask vitaly. tell him i send you, k?"
19:49 schestowitz-TR; "we have best money, best women, best vodka"
19:49 coopid; some people are rich cause of it
19:49 bnchs; Bitcoin is simply a glorified signed transaction manager
19:49 bnchs; Using cryptographically signing
19:50 coopid; so i dont get your its all fake meme
19:50 bnchs; True
19:50 *psydruid wonders why this server has been attracting a disproportionate number of trolls recently
19:50 bnchs; You will not compete with other people with entire supercomputer clusters
19:50 bnchs; Putting their computers in such a wasteful activity
19:51 coopid; psy* trolls?
19:52 schestowitz-TR; trolls is the wrong term
19:52 psydruid; stoopid trolls
19:52 schestowitz-TR; no, some days ago there was time-wasting
19:52 bnchs; psydruid: Corporate shills that have discovered TechRights
19:52 bnchs; Or just a bunch of time-wasters
19:53 psydruid; to distract people here from doing development
19:53 coopid; you do developemt in here?
19:53 bnchs; I reckon its the former
19:54 psydruid; we have discussed things we have been working on quite a bit recently
19:55 psydruid; you can find that in the logs
19:57 coopid; Your Computer Clock is Wrong
19:57 coopid; Your computer thinks it is 4/2/2022, which prevents Tor Browser from connecting securely. To visit www.engrish.com,
19:57 psydruid; if we can accelerate the demise of those corporations that's a win
19:57 coopid; LOL
19:57 coopid; isnt that sabotage?
19:58 psydruid; that's competition
19:58 coopid; maybe bnchs can tell us more about it since he seems to know all bout legalities
19:59 coopid; competition can be a race to the bottom
19:59 bnchs; True, I am legally required to disclose I am not a registered attorney nor a lawyer
19:59 psydruid; that is fine
20:00 coopid; but you sure are judgemental
20:01 bnchs; Well, true????
20:03 TR News; Links 02/04/2022: Nitrux 2.1 and Xfce Terminal 1.0.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/xfce-terminal-1-0-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/xfce-terminal-1-0-0/
20:03 TR Bot; Links 02/04/2022: Nitrux 2.1 and Xfce Terminal 1.0.0 | Techrights
20:04 TR News; Top 10 Linux Distros for Small Students Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163277
20:04 TR Bot; Top 10 Linux Distros for Small Students | Tux Machines
20:04 TR News; Proprietary Software and Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163278
20:04 TR Bot; Proprietary Software and Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:04 TR News; GNU, GNOME, and GIMP Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163279
20:04 TR Bot; GNU, GNOME, and GIMP | Tux Machines
20:05 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163280
20:05 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:05 TR News; Licensing/Legal Copyleft Matters Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163281
20:05 TR Bot; Licensing/Legal Copyleft Matters | Tux Machines
20:05 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163282
20:05 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
20:06 coopid; the terrible reality of war is starting to show its ugly head in Ukraine
20:06 MinceR; starting?
20:06 MinceR; it's been going for over a month
20:07 MinceR; even if we don't count the terrorussian war crimes in crimea
20:08 schestowitz-TR; damages in ukraine are like 200 billion in money/property alone
20:08 schestowitz-TR; I saw estimates of 15k dead Russian troops
20:08 schestowitz-TR; no figures for Ukraine that I saw other than thousands of dead civilians
20:09 coopid; actually im talking about dead people
20:09 schestowitz-TR; but anyway, that seems a distraction from tech
20:09 schestowitz-TR; good luck mining coins "for the apocalypse"
20:10 coopid; at least russians are dieing faster then Ukrainians ..
20:10 schestowitz-TR; "I need good, here have a hard drive... it's woth $2000 because of some "Wallet" on it"
20:10 schestowitz-TR; *need food
20:11 *schestowitz-TR back to tech news
20:12 bnchs; yeah well
20:12 TR News; This won't run Windows https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/30/flex-logix-inferx-x1m-m-2-ai-accelerator-module/
20:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/30/flex-logix-inferx-x1m-m-2-ai-accelerator-module/
20:12 bnchs; i hate brandon miller
20:12 TR Bot; Flex Logix InferX X1M M.2 AI accelerator module is now in production - CNX Software
20:12 *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights
20:13 bnchs; Brandon Nozaki Killer and his regionist malware
20:13 bnchs; Miller*
20:13 TR News; Use cords/wires instead. https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/30/bluetooth-le-audio-evaluation-kit-supports-nrf52840-bluetooth-low-energy-soc/
20:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/30/bluetooth-le-audio-evaluation-kit-supports-nrf52840-bluetooth-low-energy-soc/
20:13 TR Bot; Bluetooth LE audio evaluation kit supports nRF52840 Bluetooth Low Energy SoC - CNX Software
20:14 TR News; cnxsoftware published and then removed webspam ("Ai-Thinker TG-12F is a cheaper, more stable alternative to ESP32 modules (Sponsored)"). Could this be the reason DNS was rejecting the site? Flagged for spam?
20:15 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: it's not malware
20:15 schestowitz-TR; it's "open source"
20:15 schestowitz-TR; and deleting people's files is "protest"
20:15 schestowitz-TR; when you kill a Russian it's nor murder
20:15 schestowitz-TR; and asking people in Twitter to kill Russians is not hate speech
20:15 schestowitz-TR; it's not even racism
20:15 schestowitz-TR; it's.... "patriotism"
20:15 schestowitz-TR; see?
20:15 bnchs; Yeah
20:16 schestowitz-TR; welcome to the world of double standards
20:16 bnchs; The only instance where that's BAD is when it's against black people
20:16 bnchs; or the arbitrary defined "minorities"
20:16 bnchs; arbitrarily defined*
20:17 schestowitz-TR; "chinese minorities"
20:17 schestowitz-TR; in the US, chinese is minority
20:17 schestowitz-TR; there are almost no chinese people in the world
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20:20 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22032234
20:20 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/nz343rp484o81.jpg created on 2022-03-22 11:54:00.552910
20:29 TR News; Nitrux 2.1.0 Is Here, Offers the Latest KDE Plasma http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163273#comment-33266
20:29 TR Bot; Nitrux 2.1.0 Releases with KDE Plasma 5.24.4, Native iOS Device Support | Tux Machines
20:29 TR News; "2) VisionFive by Starfive, a RISC-V-based SBC" http://www.montanalinux.org/bozemanglug/meeting-announcement-april-2022.html
20:29 TR Bot; April 2022 Meeting | www.montanalinux.org
20:30 bnchs; Geez, It sure is boring around here!
20:30 *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights
20:32 schestowitz-TR; where?
20:33 bnchs; In the TechRights IRC channel
20:33 schestowitz-TR; topics can change
20:36 schestowitz-TR; earliert today we has important discussion about fsf
20:37 schestowitz-TR; if you want to see boring, I can show you some truly boring sites
20:37 TR News; Otter (game server) 1.0.0 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163283
20:37 TR Bot; Otter (game server) 1.0.0 released | Tux Machines
20:37 bnchs; hmmmmm
20:37 bnchs; i like how they say rust is safe and all that
20:38 schestowitz-TR; try linux.com
20:38 bnchs; but you may find that most rust projects use the unsafe keyword
20:38 bnchs; like almost all rust projects use unsafe code
20:38 TR News; 15 AWESOME Linux apps for GNOME - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=O5As4HocCrw Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
20:38 TR Bot; 15 AWESOME Linux apps for GNOME - Invidious
20:38 MinceR; well, rust can either do no i/o at all, or it can use "unsafe" code
20:38 bnchs; it ruins the point
20:38 bnchs; so that means rust is so strict
20:38 bnchs; that you might aswell just write in C
20:39 schestowitz-TR; rust has security issues
20:39 schestowitz-TR; again and again
20:39 schestowitz-TR; not few, quite a lot
20:39 TR News; GNU Health Hospital Management 4.0.3 patchset released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163284
20:39 TR Bot; GNU Health Hospital Management 4.0.3 patchset released | Tux Machines
20:39 schestowitz-TR; To use ana analogy
20:39 schestowitz-TR; a IRL analogy
20:40 schestowitz-TR; they tell you "lifestyle"c rap
20:40 schestowitz-TR; to make your life "Easier"
20:40 schestowitz-TR; but all that crap they peddle
20:40 schestowitz-TR; that in turns adds more overhead and hassle
20:40 bnchs; so rust is absolutely useless
20:40 schestowitz-TR; "smart" cars are one example
20:40 bnchs; and it does have some compiler flaws
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20:40 schestowitz-TR; rust is to c what "smart" cars are to cars
20:40 bnchs; like allocating and load/store without alignment
20:41 schestowitz-TR; or what java is to javascript, or vice versa rather
20:41 bnchs; you will only spot it in debug LLVM output
20:41 bnchs; or assembly
20:41 schestowitz-TR; rust is "all the rage"
20:41 bnchs; but these kinds of alignment issues cause 1) slowness
20:41 bnchs; 2) illegal instruction error (sigsegv if you're fancy)
20:41 bnchs; can cause*
20:42 bnchs; its fucking undefined behavior
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20:42 schestowitz-TR; rust is JavaFX!!!!
20:42 bnchs; depends on which CPU you use
20:42 bnchs; it either crashes or slows down
20:42 bnchs; nothing better than C
20:42 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaFX
20:42 TR Bot; JavaFX - Wikipedia
20:42 bnchs; https://andrewkelley.me/post/unsafe-zig-safer-than-unsafe-rust.html
20:42 TR Bot; Unsafe Zig is Safer Than Unsafe Rust - Andrew Kelley
20:42 schestowitz; "JavaFX was intended to replace Swing as the standard GUI library for Java SE, but it has been dropped from new Standard Editions while Swing and AWT remain included, supposedly because JavaFX's marketshare has been "eroded by the rise of 'mobile first' and 'web first applications."
20:43 schestowitz; This is Rust!!
20:43 schestowitz; hype
20:43 DaemonFC; I don't know why anyone would standardize on languages that change in such a way that you have to go back and rewrite 60% or more of your program sometimes.
20:43 DaemonFC; Over and over again.
20:43 DaemonFC; Because "stuff happened".
20:43 MinceR; because they're stupid
20:43 bnchs; "none of the alloca, load, store instructions have alignment attributes on them"
20:44 bnchs; and i know alignment is a big issue for if you're trying to do SSE optimizations
20:44 DaemonFC; mjg59_ complains about C. What the real problem is, of course, is that it's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.
20:44 schestowitz-TR; remember many people wrote everything in flash
20:44 schestowitz-TR; Trash activescript
20:44 DaemonFC; Corporations write code quickly and don't bother profiling it or looking for bugs.
20:44 schestowitz-TR; actionscript
20:44 schestowitz-TR; and where is their code now?
20:44 schestowitz-TR; ashtray
20:44 DaemonFC; So shit happens, and then there's bugs found in it for years. Serious bugs.
20:44 bnchs; so basically if you cast a variable to a type with different alignment
20:44 DaemonFC; Then they blame their tools.
20:44 schestowitz-TR; not even gnash is maintained anymore
20:44 bnchs; you can guess what happens
20:45 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: gnash was based off of reverse engineering the SWF format
20:45 schestowitz-TR; rust is so young and immature, it's crazy to put a 30+ year kernel on that
20:45 bnchs; they couldnt use the official adobe specification because of the strict terms
20:45 DaemonFC; Then the logical thing to do is not to hire veterans who know what mistakes not to make with higher salaries, or retain them.
20:45 schestowitz-TR; even just for device drivers or whatever at first
20:45 DaemonFC; It's to Logan's Run all of your employees who reach 40 or 45, and give them a language with training wheels.
20:46 schestowitz-TR; it's like putting Linux on proprietary version control (which did happen;tridge's fault, iirc)
20:46 bnchs; rust doesnt even report alignment issues
20:46 DaemonFC; It keeps benefits and salaries down, even if the programs written in it are not very good and you'll be paying people to rewrite things forever.
20:46 DaemonFC; But I mean, so what. At least the salary is lower.
20:46 TR News; Steam Deck Gets 2 Patches Mainly Focusing on Keyboard Improvements - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-gets-2-patches-mainly-focusing-on-keyboard-improvements/ Source: boilingsteam
20:47 TR Bot; Steam Deck Gets 2 Patches Mainly Focusing on Keyboard Improvements - Boiling Steam
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20:47 DaemonFC; Whenever I set out to do a project, I figure out what I need to do it right the first time.
20:47 DaemonFC; I come up with a budget that does not cut corners. Then I do the thing.
20:48 DaemonFC; Then I often never have to go back and revisit that particular problem again.
20:48 TR News; Microsoft Windows is not worth it either - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IATTPTOaHcY Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
20:48 TR Bot; Are Soundcards worth it in 2022? - Invidious
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20:48 TR News; ArchLinux 2022.04.01 is out https://archlinux.org/
20:48 TR Bot; Arch Linux
20:49 DaemonFC; If you need to keep constantly revisiting the same issue just out of cheapness, you really need to ask what it is you're doing with your life. Because if you try to slash budgets in half but end up redoing the job several times, you're not saving money.
20:49 schestowitz-TR; >> At least the salary is lower.
20:49 schestowitz-TR; any link for that?
20:49 schestowitz-TR; new to m
20:49 schestowitz-TR; *me
20:49 bnchs; rust hasn't matured enough like C did
20:49 schestowitz-TR; also lower compared to what? C? embedded?
20:49 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> >> At least the salary is lower.
20:49 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: it matured in dying company
20:49 schestowitz-TR; mozilla, run by a likely gulag mole
20:50 DaemonFC; Intel is known for firing most people who reach 40 or 45.
20:50 DaemonFC; It's well known that once you hit 40 your days are numbered.
20:50 schestowitz-TR; you cannot add productivity
20:50 schestowitz-TR; it's like atheletes at 30
20:50 schestowitz-TR; you are past the peak
20:50 DaemonFC; Their goal is to extract as much work out of you as they can before your salary demands go way up and you develop health problems that cost their group plan lots of money.
20:50 schestowitz-TR; but financial demands do not decrease
20:51 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: that's a bad approach
20:51 schestowitz-TR; it's like doping
20:51 schestowitz-TR; or like girls butchering themselves to "look good"
20:51 schestowitz-TR; they add up debt
20:51 schestowitz-TR; like bad health and inflammation
20:51 DaemonFC; Yeah, well you see it in the trash that comes out to market, don't you? All the CPU bugs in Intel products for the last 7 or 8 years.
20:51 schestowitz-TR; instead they can work more slowly and work towards the means they need covered
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20:52 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I roped in some new firmwares from Intel out of Debian Testing.
20:52 schestowitz-TR; at age 50 the only added value you have is, you can become manager without being ridiculed
20:52 DaemonFC; Because they release broken hardware and then "fix it" using firmware kludges later on.
20:52 *bnchs (~bnchs@mrrgk5abj4bzg.irc) has joined #techrights
20:52 DaemonFC; And if the OS doesn't load those firmwares, you have the bugs instead.
20:53 schestowitz-TR; because if you did the job for x+20 years, then "x" colleagues are more likely to tolerate your supposed authority
20:53 DaemonFC; Often it's security issues, sometimes it's "the entire computer freezes if this situation happens".
20:53 DaemonFC; Just hundreds of issues.
20:53 bnchs; rust is a magic wand
20:53 bnchs; you must use it all you can
20:53 schestowitz-TR; because it's NEW
20:53 schestowitz-TR; a new CARGO cult
20:53 DaemonFC; Loadable firmware modules are Intel's way of shipping broken products and not worrying about it too much.
20:53 schestowitz-TR; with CoC and Microsoft shiihub
20:54 DaemonFC; 20-30 years ago if they fucked up big time they had to recall it.
20:54 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22032232
20:54 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/kc8yfj04bun81.jpg created on 2022-03-22 11:07:14.314807
20:54 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft= wokeism
20:54 DaemonFC; That was expensive.
20:54 schestowitz-TR; ICE = woke
20:54 bnchs; never mind the issues like potential UB issues, cross-platform issues
20:54 bnchs; just use it
20:54 DaemonFC; Now they can just rewrite parts of your CPU after the fact and get the OS to load the updates on boot time.
20:54 bnchs; whats that? you're using C?
20:54 bnchs; dude that language is such memory-unsafe
20:54 schestowitz-TR; btw, see the libreplanet talk we published about free/lbre game
20:54 AdmFubar1; schestowitz-TR: was there supposed to be a article on why cnx was offline ... or were you just noting that they were back up in the rss feed headline?
20:55 bnchs; because i saw a bunch of people writing low-quality shit tools on it
20:55 schestowitz-TR; He said something Ik strongly agrteee with about using bash
20:55 bnchs; therefore fuck C
20:55 schestowitz-TR; you know the interfaces won't break for decades to come
20:55 schestowitz-TR; very stable API
20:55 schestowitz-TR; not sure sdl is still predictable
20:55 bnchs; rust isn't even stable
20:55 schestowitz-TR; python and php are not
20:55 bnchs; there's only one compiler
20:55 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar1: there was an article
20:55 schestowitz-TR; hang onm
20:56 schestowitz-TR; and he did not elaborate
20:56 schestowitz-TR; which seemed a tad strange
20:56 schestowitz-TR; dispute between him and the host
20:56 schestowitz-TR; [18:46] <techrights-news> "As you may have noticed in recent days, my domain registrar (HostFast) suspended cnx-software.com domain for what I believe are dubious reasons, meaning the site was inaccessible to the outside world and myself." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/31/how-to-install-a-dns-server-on-your-linux-computer/
20:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/31/how-to-install-a-dns-server-on-your-linux-computer/
20:56 TR Bot; How to Install dnsmasq caching DNS server in Ubuntu - CNX Software
20:56 schestowitz-TR; I did not read past the beginning
20:56 schestowitz-TR; but saw 17 comments are there
20:56 DaemonFC; All this vegan crap surfacing in iBotta lately. SIMULATE NUGS (fake chicken).
20:57 DaemonFC; Dalek voice: SIMUUUULATE! SIMULAAAAAATE!
20:57 MinceR; DELETE!
20:57 schestowitz-TR; ALEXA. DELETE. DALEK.
20:57 DaemonFC; That episode of Mr. Bean with him playing with the nativity scene at the department store.
20:58 DaemonFC; He borrowed a dalek for it. "EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE!!!!".
20:58 MinceR; :>
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 118.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 286.01
20:59 DaemonFC; I'm surprised that didn't get censored out by the BBC for offending Christians.
20:59 bnchs; Alexa, Text my mom a video of 1 man 1 jar
20:59 DaemonFC; Or that scene with him at church, for that matter.
20:59 bnchs; Tell her it's a funny video
21:00 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: it would not be aired today
21:00 DaemonFC; No it wouldn't.
21:00 DaemonFC; It's like the US where you couldn't do Married With Children now even though it was one of the funniest things on TV back then.
21:00 schestowitz; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU
21:00 TR Bot; In full: Rowan Atkinson on free speech - Invidious
21:01 DaemonFC; People get old, they get "different".
21:01 DaemonFC; They get scared of the entire world. They turn inwards. Their life gets boring anyway, and they know they'll die soon.
21:01 schestowitz-TR; I watched Married With Children thousands of times
21:01 schestowitz-TR; literally
21:01 DaemonFC; So perfect conditions to go to church set in around 60 or so.
21:01 schestowitz-TR; it was on every night
21:01 DaemonFC; Even if you never did before.
21:02 schestowitz-TR; I actually mentioned Married With Children to my dad a few days ago
21:02 schestowitz-TR; we joked about my mom's cousin
21:02 schestowitz-TR; "jefferson"
21:02 DaemonFC; The Wankers of Wanker County?
21:02 DaemonFC; (Peg's family)
21:02 DaemonFC; It was hinted that they were from somewhere around Kentucky or Tennessee.
21:03 schestowitz-TR; Jesse from christina appelgate was so terrible
21:03 schestowitz-TR; like joey from friends with his dumb solo
21:03 DaemonFC; Kelly kept dragging teenage boys (or sometimes even adult men) home and it was frequently cited that she was having sex with all of them.
21:04 schestowitz-TR; larry david/curb your enthusiasm
21:04 DaemonFC; Al responed by beating them all up.
21:04 DaemonFC; THAT would never be allowed now.
21:04 DaemonFC; *responded
21:04 *schestowitz-TR checks is ed o'neal is still alive
21:04 DaemonFC; He is.
21:05 DaemonFC; He's been in some things but it's all SJW-approved, so it's not funny.
21:05 DaemonFC; He cashes the paychecks I guess. He probably doesn't even like doing it.
21:05 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_O%27Neill
21:05 TR Bot; Ed O'Neill - Wikipedia
21:05 schestowitz; 75 y-o
21:05 DaemonFC; mjg59_ -types have ruined the ability for anything to be funny anymore.
21:05 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_O%27Neill#/media/File:Ed_O'Neill_at_2015_PaleyFest.jpg
21:05 TR Bot; Ed O'Neill - Wikipedia
21:06 DaemonFC; They actually did what "that woman from Michigan" set out to do when she complained to the FCC about Married With Children.
21:06 schestowitz; 7 years ago
21:06 DaemonFC; At the time the FCC basically told her to go pound sand.
21:07 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Bundy
21:07 TR Bot; Al Bundy - Wikipedia
21:07 DaemonFC; It was all about that episode where Al and Jefferson went to the sex shop and there were gay jokes (which I thought were pretty funny).
21:07 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school_football
21:07 TR Bot; High school football - Wikipedia
21:07 DaemonFC; I make jokes about gay people sometimes when I think something is absurd, and I'm gay.
21:08 schestowitz-TR; that was US before walmartisation
21:08 schestowitz-TR; also before windows 95
21:08 schestowitz-TR; i.e. when a real computer industry still existed
21:08 schestowitz-TR; and US manufactured a lot of it
21:08 DaemonFC; We were on the bus in Chicago one day and I leaned over and I told John "I guess they move here when they turn into The Pet Shop Boys." and pointed to a couple that were getting off the bus in Rogers Park.
21:09 schestowitz-TR; [21:07] <DaemonFC> I make jokes about gay people sometimes when I think something is absurd, and I'm gay.
21:09 schestowitz-TR; "self-hating gay"
21:09 schestowitz-TR; introspection is heresy
21:10 DaemonFC; Then we were on the bus in South Shore and there was one dipping his fingers in peanut butter and licking it all off and then they started kissing each other (with tongue) and I told him "Who knew this bus went through Indiana?".
21:11 TR News; LOL! You are going to need it!! Because Windows needs rebooting alllll the time. And rebooting takes a long time. https://www.maketecheasier.com/change-windows-10-login-screen-image/
21:11 TR Bot; How to Change the Windows Login Screen Image - Make Tech Easier
21:11 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> introspection is heresy
21:11 DaemonFC; If you make a joke that offends anyone, you're EVIL EVIL EVIL!
21:11 schestowitz-TR; i can tolerate public kissing if it's like a nightclub
21:11 schestowitz-TR; and people might be drunk
21:12 schestowitz-TR; and might be meeting for the first time
21:12 mjg59_; DaemonFC: "A poor craftsman blames his tools" doesn't mean that there are no bad tools. A good craftsman picks good tools.
21:12 bnchs; mjg59_: but the tool in this case is a very permissive low-level language
21:12 mjg59_; C is an effective tool, but also a dangerous one
21:12 bnchs; yes a dangerous one
21:13 bnchs; because with great powers, comes great responsibility
21:13 coopid; most tools are dangerouse
21:13 mjg59_; The idea that nothing could satisfy most of the same use cases without being less dangerous is ridiculous
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21:13 *DaemonFC replaces mjg59_'s hedge trimmers with something out of the toy aisle at Walmart and then asks him to do some landscaping.
21:13 DaemonFC; You'll like the toy better. It's safe!
21:13 *koo5_ has quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)
21:14 schestowitz-TR; I still use a shaver/trimmer from around 1995
21:14 bnchs; you have to be responsible and learn how to overcome problems
21:14 schestowitz-TR; I have not even chaged the blades
21:14 bnchs; these are the requirements for C
21:14 mjg59_; DaemonFC: I'm not clear what analogy you're trying to draw here. What does C usefully allow you to do that Rust doesn't?
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21:14 schestowitz-TR; Rust is a lot of hype s far
21:14 bnchs; mjg59_: implement something without the borrow checker sperging like an autist?
21:14 schestowitz-TR; they bury issues
21:14 schestowitz-TR; they ban people
21:15 schestowitz-TR; then scare away their own
21:15 schestowitz-TR; many people quit
21:15 schestowitz-TR; even high-level people
21:15 schestowitz-TR; they have a retention isuse
21:15 DaemonFC; My parents were pretty awesome in some ways. I asked my dad why there was a safety bar on the lawnmower and who could possibly be stupid enough to stand in front of a running lawnmower, much less a self-propelled one. (I was like 6 or 7 I think.)
21:15 mjg59_; bnchs: If the borrow checker is unhappy then chances are writing the same code in C would be buggy
21:15 schestowitz-TR; and now they advertise funding from chinese tech giants and bezos
21:15 bnchs; if you cant be responsible and learn from your mistakes
21:15 DaemonFC; He goes, "Oh probably some Mexicans ran over their foot and sued the company.".
21:15 schestowitz-TR; rust is no mozilla or community
21:15 bnchs; then rust is for you
21:15 bnchs; mjg59_: linked list is buggy?
21:15 schestowitz-TR; it's just some corporate tooll
21:15 schestowitz-TR; and it's controlled by microsoft for a lot of things
21:15 mjg59_; The problem with C is that your mistakes don't just affect you
21:16 DaemonFC; So we'd save those twist ties that came with loaves of bread and use it to hold down the safety bar on the mower so it wouldn't turn off if you let go of the handle.
21:16 bnchs; there's no perfect programs
21:16 bnchs; every program has it's own security vulnerabilities, probably left undiscovered
21:16 DaemonFC; Only a fucking idiot would ever stand in front of a self-propelled lawn mower. But there's plenty of fucking idiots, so we all have to suffer.
21:17 schestowitz-TR; rust's trajectory is the same as mozilla's. like father, like son.
21:17 DaemonFC; And now there's more sensors on cars too, more coming.
21:17 mjg59_; bnchs: It's true, but choosing the right language means that certain types of security vulnerability simply don't exist
21:17 DaemonFC; And twist ties from the bread won't save the smart people anymore.
21:17 coopid; echo "hello" is a perfect program
21:17 bnchs; mjg59_: such as alignment issues in rust's instructions?
21:17 bnchs; coopid: depends on IO library
21:18 coopid; thats behond the scoop
21:18 bnchs; if you wanna treat yourself like a baby
21:18 TR News; Fun with Linux Terminal: Running a Hollywood style hacking scene to amuse your friends - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=O-s2CUeQyNA "amuse your friends" is a very dumb reason to do anything. Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
21:18 bnchs; then use rust for all i care
21:18 psydruid; I'm looking at job advertisements in Berlin and I only see BS jobs
21:18 TR Bot; Fun with Linux Terminal: Running a Hollywood style hacking scene to amuse your friends - Invidious
21:18 psydruid; https://berlinstartupjobs.com/engineering/
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21:19 psydruid; is that the state of this industry?
21:19 mjg59_; bnchs: So why complain about it?
21:19 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: yes!!!
21:19 mjg59_; It sounds like you do care
21:19 bnchs; yes i do
21:19 schestowitz-TR; clownops smartops berlinoooops
21:19 bnchs; i get people saying i should rewrite in rust
21:19 bnchs; and i wanna say that rust isnt a magic wand to your problems so you dont have to deal with them
21:21 TR News; "Tired of having a lot of low cost surveillance cameras, everyone with its app and everyone requiring a fee for cloud storage? With iSpy and Raspberry PI you can get your self hosted and open source DVR compatible with hundreds of IP cameras" https://peppe8o.com/ispy-and-raspberry-pi-installing-the-open-source-agent-dvr/
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21:21 DaemonFC; I've never used a lawn mower with an intact shutoff system. They annoy me. They moved it from a bar you have to hold down to a switch further down the line that kills the ignition if you completely let go of the accelerator bar. So I used a self-tapping screw to put in a striker plate that keeps the switch from turning off.
21:21 DaemonFC; They get nastier with this safety stuff all the time, schestowitz-TR
21:21 TR News; "Basetool is an open-source framework on which companies build their internal tools on. It is written in the Next.js framework." https://medevel.com/basetool/
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21:22 mjg59_; bnchs: No language is going to solve all your problems. But getting rid of memory unsafety gets rid of a *lot* of security problems that exist in the real world.
21:22 DaemonFC; If you stand in front of a lawnmower that's running then you deserve what happens. Not sorry.
21:22 bnchs; mjg59_: because i hate rust
21:22 TR News; "Spending less and less time on each track in Weeklybeats is making me a little nervous as to whether I will be able to finish such a marathon." https://blog.jimmac.eu/2022/less-is-more/
21:22 TR Bot; Less is More - Even a Stopped Clock
21:22 bnchs; god damn it late
21:22 mjg59_; DaemonFC: The analogy here is "If you use code someone else wrote in C, you deserve what happens"
21:22 bnchs; but anyway
21:23 bnchs; mjg59_: yes and its called learning the basic rules of memory allocation
21:23 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Windows certainly can't be fixed, and will never be fixed.
21:23 mjg59_; bnchs: All the evidence suggests that learning the basic rules of memory allocation isn't sufficient to avoid memory safety issues
21:23 bnchs; rust is another problem i have to deal
21:24 TR News; "April is Global Poetry Writing Month, or GloPoWriMo for short. The challenge is to write a poem for every day of the month: 30 poems in total." gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/glopowrimo-2022.gmi
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21:24 bnchs; porting rust code to PS3 is absolutely impossible
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21:24 DaemonFC; But you refuse to criticize Microsoft or do anything to really interfere with their plans. In fact, the corruption of the FSF is that they gave YOU an award for putting Security Theater Boot in Free Software.
21:24 DaemonFC; That way, Microsoft's ass is covered as long as they permit anything else to run on a computer that comes with Windows.
21:24 bnchs; mjg59_: what can i say is that i have used C for a long time
21:24 DaemonFC; Regardless of it it is what the owner of the computer wants to use.
21:24 bnchs; and i have never had a problem with it
21:25 bnchs; and there's memory leak debuggers like valgrind
21:25 mjg59_; And there's unexercised code paths that are only triggered on error conditions on certain inputs
21:25 DaemonFC; You always seem to fall back to "the owner controls Secure Boot" in the setup program, but most of the time, they do not.
21:25 DaemonFC; The manufacturer just compiles the firmware to hide all of the advanced setup options.
21:26 DaemonFC; So they're in the specification, but not in the reality.
21:26 mjg59_; DaemonFC: I keep saying that if someone can point at a computer that has no mechanism for key enrollment, I will buy one of those computers and verify that
21:26 bnchs; mjg59_: make test cases
21:26 mjg59_; And so far literally nobody has!
21:26 DaemonFC; Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2 completely hides it.
21:26 mjg59_; bnchs: You're going to test-case every single argument to ioctl()?
21:26 DaemonFC; You can turn it on or off, nothing else.
21:26 bnchs; i dont use ioctl
21:27 DaemonFC; I didn't even look real hard on this laptop (a ThinkBook 15 ITL Gen2), admittedly.
21:27 DaemonFC; I turned it off and never thought about it again.
21:27 bnchs; i'm using C because its very portable
21:27 bnchs; unlike rust
21:27 DaemonFC; I got plenty of PROBLEMS with Secure Boot on with the 900 ISK2, including Fedora failing to boot because Ubuntu "updated the dbx".
21:28 DaemonFC; Which requires a factory reset of the firmware.
21:28 DaemonFC; Just nasty shit, really.
21:28 activelow; i think, the memory-safety issue, is specific to van Neumann, Harvard architecture (to separate code and data with strict permissions) is less prone
21:28 DaemonFC; That's all you get with Security Theater Boot, is nasty shit.,
21:28 DaemonFC; It's full of bugs, and the manufacturers don't have to give you control of it, and some don't.
21:28 bnchs; mjg59_: i cant port rust to the PS3 because of the compiler backend
21:29 psydruid; bnchs, does rust on ps3 create binaries that crash due to unaligned memory accesses?
21:29 bnchs; rust code*
21:29 DaemonFC; If you can turn it off, turn it off. If it's off, it can't fuck up.
21:29 bnchs; psydruid: never tried
21:29 bnchs; PS3 homebrew community literally dumped everything rust
21:29 DaemonFC; That's the situation around uEFI. "Just boot my computer please. Turn all of this other shit off. If you touch anything you'll only make it worse."
21:30 activelow; and with rust-lang, i consider the memory-safety a compiler-feature, not a language-feature itself
21:30 psydruid; closed source firmware for the host processor = instant no
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21:31 DaemonFC; Anything that says "Secure Boot" or "Trusted" or whatnot, turn it off if you can. That way you're much less likely to end up with weird bugs that may even render the system unbootable and the firmware stuck in some crazy undefined state that doesn't work.
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21:31 activelow; it is confused, for political reasons, because compiler extensions for C language exist too
21:31 psydruid; so it doesn't matter whatever someone says to rationalize it
21:31 psydruid; it's not going to convince me to buy any of that hardware
21:31 DaemonFC; mjg59_, So I'm sure there's 900 ISK2s out there. You can buy one cheap. Just make sure you get the ISK2. You will find the user can turn Security Theater Boot on and off and there's nothing else except "reset".
21:32 activelow; and the rust-lang crowd is agitating for their language, which builds upon latest compiler features, which are available with C language too
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21:32 DaemonFC; And then you acknowledge that the user just doesn't have any meaningful control over it just because it's in a spec somewhere. Doesn't mean that's how anyone will ship it.
21:33 DaemonFC; They don't care what the specification says. They give you the bare minimum Microsoft requires, which as of Windows 10 was "on or off".
21:33 DaemonFC; I don't even know about whether you're guaranteed THAT with Windows "11".
21:33 activelow; btw. TinyCC contains a bounds-checker too, i couldn't review this yet
21:34 DaemonFC; And even on or off was only guaranteed on x86 systems, nothing else.
21:34 activelow; and the W^X feature isnt' a language feature either, it is implemented by both the MMU and kernel
21:34 DaemonFC; If you buy a Windows computer that uses ARM, you're wasting 100% of your money.
21:34 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft wasted money trying to get it to work
21:34 DaemonFC; They're not good for anything because nobody tolerates Windows for anything other than backwards compatibility with itself.
21:35 schestowitz-TR; now it's just busy vandalising and pooing in our yard, isnetad
21:35 schestowitz-TR; it's the only way to compete
21:35 DaemonFC; And they're even dumb enough to break that on x86 now.
21:35 schestowitz-TR; make sure gnu/linux becomes just as unreliable as windows
21:35 DaemonFC; So fewer people will even see the point except "path of least resistance". The junk came with the PC.
21:36 DaemonFC; A few years ago, Lenovo shipped computers with malware preinstalled. It was terrible. It spewed ads everywhere, it had horrible security holes, it sent your information to untrustworthy organizations.....
21:37 activelow; many cortex ARM (the non-heterogenous big.LITTLE ones) are mostly more secure by default (memory safety) in comparison to x86
21:37 DaemonFC; They said it was solved when Superfish was no longer bundled, but Windows meets the same definition.
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21:37 activelow; mostly they are not affected by the spectre/meltdown out-of-order race conditions; and the W^X memory permissions are handled more strict than x86 by default
21:38 bnchs; activelow: how dare you say that
21:38 DaemonFC; I actually made a parody song about Lenovo at the time to the tune of Super Freak.
21:38 bnchs; rust is better than C
21:38 activelow; somewhat ironic, cortex a7 or cortex a53 are available for a few dollars; while x86 ask for 10x the price with theirs
21:38 DaemonFC; 'Super Fish! Super Fish! It's super fishy!"
21:39 psydruid; Windows on ARM will go down with Windows itself, but it's a very marginal thing in contrast with the billions of ARM chips that are being used with other operating systems such as GNU/Linux and various RTOSes
21:39 activelow; bnchs: maybe; nonetheless the memory-safety of rust-lang; i don't consider this a language feature, it is a compiler feature
21:39 DaemonFC; Windows on ARM is a pipe dream that they waste money on.
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21:39 bnchs; no
21:39 psydruid; they have to keep up appearances at least
21:40 bnchs; the only good thing about rust is the "memory safety"
21:40 DaemonFC; They try to tax Android using patents and use the money to prop up the stuff someone's smoking crack with.
21:40 bnchs; the syntax is godawful bullshit
21:40 DaemonFC; Probably the only thing Windows on ARM will ever do is cost them money.
21:40 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: they blackmail samsung
21:40 schestowitz-TR; into propping up their clown
21:40 psydruid; what will investors say when they realize Microsoft can't compete in the market for ARM hardware, no matter what they try
21:40 schestowitz-TR; more patent lawsuits if they don't surrender
21:41 schestowitz-TR; microsoft = crime
21:41 schestowitz-TR; bullies, mafia, gangsters
21:41 schestowitz-TR; [15:55] <techrights-news> US taxpayers again forced to bail out or subsidise Microsoft https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/pentagon_delays_jwcc_cloud_deal/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
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21:41 schestowitz-TR; don't worry, Donald Biden and Joe Trump will bail them out
21:41 psydruid; Apple is actually shipping millions of ARM systems and so is Raspberry Pi
21:41 schestowitz-TR; because "RUSHA"
21:42 psydruid; Microsoft OEMS a few hundred thousand at most
21:42 activelow; i think rust-lang is a utility, to re-implement software which was written in c/c++ elsewhere with undesireable licenses for those who prefer rust-lang
21:42 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: some companies want to buy ARM
21:42 schestowitz-TR; inc. Intel
21:42 schestowitz-TR; obv. a bigger antitrust issue thsn nvidia
21:42 DaemonFC; The reason you still see Windows XP around is because Windows Vista was so bloated that it set them back for YEARS.
21:42 schestowitz-TR; latestagecapitalism: state connected companies buy everything
21:42 schestowitz-TR; and are sponsored by taxpayers
21:43 activelow; if software is transpiled into rust-lang, they can claim a new license for the software (potentially violating GPL or any other license of what was written in C/C++ long before)
21:43 DaemonFC; There's still point of sale systems that can't use anything newer than "POSReady 2009".
21:43 DaemonFC; Which is XP.
21:43 psydruid; I doubt it's going to work out this time either
21:43 *activelow will never accept rust-lang or llvm/clang
21:43 schestowitz-TR; wine has better windows compat than xp
21:43 DaemonFC; My optometrist is still using Windows XP.
21:43 schestowitz-TR; and some distros are gentler on h/w
21:43 bnchs; activelow: it means less cross-platform
21:43 schestowitz-TR; so there is no reason to run xp anymore
21:43 bnchs; and more unreadable syntax
21:44 bnchs; all of that for
21:44 bnchs; "memory safety"
21:44 schestowitz-TR; just throw xfce4 with wine on a mchinea
21:44 DaemonFC; He said if he replaced it he'd have to buy a new $50,000 device because they didn't produce software that worked with it for a later version of Windows.
21:44 schestowitz-TR; and you get a "modern" browser, too
21:44 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: typical windows
21:44 schestowitz-TR; and speaking of rust
21:44 schestowitz-TR; due to changing apis
21:45 DaemonFC; I said, "No, really it'll be your customers paying for it when that thing craps out because the vendor wanted planned obsolescence with Windows.".
21:45 schestowitz-TR; and lakc of h/w support, just because...
21:45 activelow; bnchs: i consider BaphometOS among the most secure, even removed some of the memory-safety features _intentionally_; and there isn't a single line of rust-lang anywhere
21:45 psydruid; I only have Vista 10 in a VM on my main laptop
21:45 bnchs; good for you
21:45 bnchs; except the vista 10
21:45 bnchs; but i hate rudt
21:45 bnchs; rust*
21:46 schestowitz-TR; windows+rust=windo jams
21:46 MinceR; 02 221423 < mjg59_> DaemonFC: I'm not clear what analogy you're trying to draw here. What does C usefully allow you to do that Rust doesn't?
21:46 MinceR; implement something that will also build next year?
21:46 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Digging through the firmware, there's a "Reset to Setup Mode" option
21:47 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Once you do that, you can enroll new keys from the OS
21:47 psydruid; I need to make sure some of the stuff I write compiles and runs on vista, so that VM is seeing a few hours of use per year before it gets nuked
21:47 DaemonFC; The reference implementation of libopus is written in C89. It works fine.
21:47 DaemonFC; You can even compile it for Windows 95.
21:47 bnchs; DaemonFC: you cant do that with rust
21:47 DaemonFC; Probable even Windows 3.1 through Win32s. I've just not tried.
21:48 bnchs; because rust is all about bresking compatibility
21:48 bnchs; even with decade old consoles and shit
21:48 TR News; 10 more days https://fossforce.com/2022/04/richard-stallman-to-deliver-state-of-free-software-online-on-april-13/
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21:48 DaemonFC; Yes, I have an Opus plug-in for Winamp 2.
21:48 DaemonFC; It works on Windows 95.
21:48 MinceR; also, with C, i can write code that at least 2 implementations can compile
21:48 bnchs; rust doesnt have much compatibility
21:49 MinceR; i can do both of those things also in C++
21:49 bnchs; with rust, you can write code that will only last half a year before breaking
21:49 bnchs; with C: you can write code that can last forever
21:49 MinceR; with C and C++, i can also write code that one can build without becoming a vassal to MICROS~1
21:49 DaemonFC; Can Microsoft also push malware to it that formats your disk if you live in Russia?
21:49 DaemonFC; That's the really important feature. Like they can with NPM.
21:50 bnchs; also theres platforms like the PS3
21:50 bnchs; that only has C library interface to the systems
21:50 bnchs; like libgcm
21:50 *psydruid doesn't even know how to work with NPM
21:50 MinceR; getting your code to execute on a PS3 is an ordeal anyway
21:50 MinceR; it wasn't meant to be programmed by anyone other than sony's vassals
21:51 bnchs; it does have a free software homebrew SDK
21:51 DaemonFC; Getting your Windows program from the Windows XP era to work on Windows 10 is already dicey. I'm sure Windows 11 found even more ways to break it.
21:51 DaemonFC; It works fine on Wine.
21:51 bnchs; and a bunch of leaked proprietary Sony SDKs
21:51 bnchs; but just pick the free SDK
21:51 MinceR; and that free SDK exists against sony's wishes and efforts
21:51 bnchs; and only the proprietary if you really need shit like SPRX
21:51 MinceR; the whole gaming console business model is that you pay to access the platform as a developer
21:51 *psydruid shied away from buying a used PowerXCell server due to high power consumption
21:51 bnchs; MinceR: its just a gcc cross-compiler to CELL CPU
21:52 bnchs; and like a entire toolchain
21:52 DaemonFC; Don't worry. You can still use whatever happens to work on Windows 10 for a few more years until Microshit lets it bitrot and cuts new systems off from running it and refuses to patch all of the holes that people find in it.
21:52 bnchs; and some free PS3 tools
21:52 DaemonFC; Then you can just lose ANOTHER batch of programs to Vista 11.
21:52 DaemonFC; Every version of Windows causes thousands of programs to stop working.
21:52 bnchs; MinceR: "access the platform as a developer" yes but you also have to pay sony if you wanna publish the PKG file to their PSN store
21:53 DaemonFC; In return, you get a version of Windows that's even more bloated and slow, and packed with more nasty things no users would ask for (spyware and ads from Microsoft, for starters).
21:53 bnchs; the SDK is free but you have to pay sony to publish it to the PSN store*
21:53 psydruid; by that time Vista 12 will be out, which will be an even bigger success than Vista 11
21:53 DaemonFC; Windows "upgrades" are something nobody looks forward to unless they don't happen to use ANY programs that are more than a few years old.
21:53 MinceR; bnchs: that's what i meant
21:54 psydruid; Windows will cause itself to stop working
21:54 bnchs; yeah
21:54 DaemonFC; And even at that, the process usually gets hung up and it manages to corrupt itself and require a clean install anyway.
21:54 psydruid; The End
21:54 DaemonFC; Whether it manages to boot afterwards or not.
21:54 bnchs; but Sony cant do shit about the free SDK
21:54 bnchs; but its just a bunch of tools built off of reverse engineered documentations
21:54 bnchs; and cross-compilers
21:54 TR News; Radio for GNOME 42 is here, there and everywhere Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163288
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21:54 psydruid; how does Vista 11 work on the latest and greatest hardware anyway?
21:55 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163289
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21:55 DaemonFC; One big problem is that Microsoft can't anticipate anything the user has done post-install. They've even had installers for a new version of Windows fail because someone moved the taskbar. "Something happened. Something happened.".
21:55 TR News; Videos: Terminal Fun, GNOME, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163290
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21:55 DaemonFC; It's the most unprofessional piece of shit there is. So why use it?
21:55 schestowitz-TR; OEM crimes
21:55 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft crimes
21:55 schestowitz-TR; bribes, corruption
21:55 schestowitz-TR; they don't sell windows to PEOPLE
21:56 schestowitz-TR; they sell it to OEMs
21:56 schestowitz-TR; they bribe them
21:56 schestowitz-TR; or blackmail them with patents
21:56 DaemonFC; Their response to the taskbar bug hanging the new Windows installers wasn't to fix the bug. It was to lock the taskbar to the bottom of the screen.
21:56 schestowitz-TR; then they bribe the regime too
21:56 schestowitz-TR; obama, trump, biden...
21:56 bnchs; DaemonFC: thats what you get when you build your OS off of towers and towers of technical debt and rushed development
21:56 activelow; microsoft windows did fully implement LDAP/Kerberos (ActiveDirectory) which is their selling point in the enterprise realm
21:56 bnchs; it starts crashing because it doesnt anticipate something obscure
21:57 schestowitz-TR; 'enterprise'
21:57 schestowitz-TR; gluing together clown stuff
21:57 schestowitz-TR; I see it every day at work
21:57 schestowitz-TR; companies think outsourcing is "smart"
21:57 schestowitz-TR; and the disservices keep shutting down
21:57 activelow; the relevant term is distributed system, not cloud
21:57 schestowitz-TR; so they keep running form one clown to another clown
21:57 schestowitz-TR; it's an expensive circus
21:57 DaemonFC; One of the reasons why I decided on Debian and not Ubuntu is because I don't think Snaps are very well designed.
21:58 chunky; snaps are an abomination!
21:58 DaemonFC; And I don't like being pushed to use software installers that don't let me add sources from someone else.
21:58 schestowitz-TR; activelow: distributed outwards
21:58 DaemonFC; I use Flatpaks on Debian.
21:58 schestowitz-TR; chunky: snaps are laziness
21:58 schestowitz-TR; can't be bother to build properly
21:58 DaemonFC; So my base system is all served (well, mostly) by Debian, and many of my applications are the current versions through Flatpak.
21:59 schestowitz-TR; so I made a jiffy bag of binaries right there, like containers
21:59 DaemonFC; Having a base system with a lot of lulz and changing a lot is not helpful.
21:59 schestowitz-TR; it's how they ship their CRapps
21:59 schestowitz-TR; like in mobile phones, another mess
21:59 DaemonFC; But neither is having applications that are several versions behind.
21:59 DaemonFC; So now I can have the best of both worlds.
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22:00 DaemonFC; MinceR, Your lives as they have been are over. You will exist to service us! -Locutus of Borg
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22:00 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: you assume all will consolidate on the same
22:00 schestowitz-TR; and then you end up with many appimages lying around
22:00 schestowitz-TR; and snapd running as a daemon
22:00 schestowitz-TR; and flatpak demanding you reboot your machine
22:00 DaemonFC; Every once in a while I have to run flatpak remove --unused
22:00 DaemonFC; And it cleans up orphan platform stuff, but yeah.
22:00 schestowitz-TR; and some application may stop delivering builds in these channels
22:01 DaemonFC; Other than some occasional cleanup, it's not terrible.
22:01 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Anyway send me a link to a Yoga 900 13ISK2 and I'll buy it as long as you agree to pay me back if you're wrong
22:01 DaemonFC; mjg59_, I have a better offer.
22:01 DaemonFC; I'll take pictures of what LOL NO! Vo did to it and post them.
22:02 mjg59_; Sure, just show me a picture of the security menu in the firmware
22:02 DaemonFC; And you can tell me exactly what in the fuck I'm supposed to do with that on the theory I want to set it up myself.
22:02 bnchs; mjg59_: hahaha sure
22:02 mjg59_; Works for me
22:02 bnchs; buy the computer
22:02 bnchs; then when you find out the truth
22:02 bnchs; ill ghost you
22:02 bnchs; 100% wasted money
22:03 mjg59_; True, I do already know he's a liar
22:03 mjg59_; The whole thing where he signed me up for a bunch of spam lists and then denied it
22:04 bnchs; "oh geez it wasnt me who signed you up for a gay porn website"
22:04 DaemonFC; I didn't see anything called "Custom Mode" or where I can add or delete anything. In fact, OpenSUSE did ask to install their signing key, which works....But there's no way to remove them except "RESET", which leaves Microsoft's, and you cannot remove Microsoft's and distrust Microsoft.
22:04 bnchs; "well tough luck"
22:04 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Once you're in setup mode you can just rewrite kek and db
22:05 mjg59_; They're not append-only
22:05 DaemonFC; It seems like all that can be done is to add new ones, through whatever means OpenSUSE is using.
22:05 DaemonFC; But there's no fine grained control for the user.
22:05 DaemonFC; You can't even see what's in there.
22:05 mjg59_; Yes you can - you just read the variables
22:05 DaemonFC; Just some big stupid global RESET button.
22:06 DaemonFC; So, they've done this in the most user-hostile way possible?
22:06 mjg59_; There's a standard interface to that, you don't need the firmware to give you another one
22:06 DaemonFC; Why exactly?
22:06 mjg59_; If by "The most user-hostile way possible" you mean "They've allowed to to use the standard tools", sure
22:07 DaemonFC; Why isn't there a menu that says "Microsoft put this one in." "OpenSUSE put this one in." "Ubuntu did this."?
22:07 mjg59_; Because there are already OS tools that tell you that?
22:07 DaemonFC; And you can just add or remove them as you see fit from the firmware setup tool.
22:07 DaemonFC; In fact, I seem to recall that the code for that is already in there, Lenovo just hid it.
22:07 mjg59_; I'd prefer this to be done in the OS rather than the firmware - less probability of the firmware fucking it up
22:08 DaemonFC; Because that guy that used the external flasher to flash in a patched BIOS that unhides AHCI mode also added back other options Lenovo hid.
22:08 DaemonFC; And some of them pertain to Secure Boot.
22:08 mjg59_; I don't think you get to complain that firmware is too complicated and also complain that the firmware should do more
22:08 mjg59_; Anyway, glad we've got that sorted
22:08 DaemonFC; It's there, but they hid it, forcing the user to use other tools, but sometimes Lenovo added code that resets it once you use those other tools and reboot.
22:08 DaemonFC; Yeah, not shitty and complicated at all.
22:08 DaemonFC; Thank you Matthew.
22:09 mjg59_; Always glad to help out
22:09 DaemonFC; Along the way to dealing with that storage controller mode fuckery back in 2016, someone DID set it using UEFI Shell.
22:09 psydruid; Matthew IDGAFMAN
22:10 DaemonFC; Then it turned out Lenovo wrote more code to set it back so you couldn't make it persist, in addition to hiding the AHCI code and GUI toggle that were in the default firmware.
22:10 psydruid; show me the money!
22:10 DaemonFC; I wasn't the only one that was furious that I bought a laptop and found out it was all gimpy and could only run Windows because "reasons".
22:11 psydruid; x86 is like being in the Matrix
22:11 MinceR; 02 230621 < DaemonFC> So, they've done this in the most user-hostile way possible?
22:11 MinceR; that's pretty much the point of uefi
22:11 DaemonFC; And I bought it because a blogger said it ran Ubuntu fine and then found out they made a very subtle change to the model number and did THIS in the process.
22:11 MinceR; at least the way MICROS~1 requires it to be for their certifications
22:11 bnchs; DaemonFC: disable secure boot?
22:12 DaemonFC; You know, after I was slimed by, well, everyone, and realized I was going to get no help from Lenovo or the media exposure.....
22:12 DaemonFC; I filed a case with the Attorney General's office.
22:12 DaemonFC; Then Lenovo contacted me and offered to fix it.
22:13 bnchs; lol
22:13 bnchs; lenovo is a big microsoft shill
22:13 TR News; Kyle Wiens on Right to Repair or Fight to Repair | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/fight-to-repair/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/fight-to-repair/
22:13 psydruid; bnchs, I think that was not possible with his uefi, because they removed that setting
22:13 TR Bot; Kyle Wiens on Right to Repair or Fight to Repair | Techrights
22:13 DaemonFC; After they put out a blurb stating that they didn't want it to run "Linux" because the hinge was designed for Windows 10. I replied to that stating that GNOME went to Tablet Mode and the Virtual Keyboard actually worked 100% of the time, unlike in Windows 10.
22:13 bnchs; lenovo is a big piece of shit
22:13 bnchs; unlike before it was bought
22:13 DaemonFC; In Windows 10, you flip it over and the Virtual Keyboard basically only recognizes Microsoft apps.
22:13 bnchs; by some chinese
22:14 DaemonFC; So in Edge, you get a keyboard, in Firefox you don't.
22:14 DaemonFC; Things like that.
22:14 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Opinion?
22:15 DaemonFC; Oh, in Fedora with GNOME, the keyboard worked with all sorts of things it didn't under Windows. Like in Windows, you open LibreOffice, nothing happens. No keyboard.
22:15 DaemonFC; You just sit there tapping on it, no keyboard in Windows. Only in Microsoft Office.
22:15 DaemonFC; I had a "free trial".
22:15 bnchs; fuck lenovo
22:16 bnchs; fuck OEMs that build UEFI with no secure boot options
22:16 DaemonFC; Absolutely! They've gotten a bit better after that.
22:16 bnchs; fuck OEMs that force windows
22:16 schestowitz-TR; bribes
22:16 bnchs; there's no incentive to do this
22:16 psydruid; OEMs are Microsoft's customers
22:16 bnchs; unless microsoft bribed them to do it
22:17 psydruid; and they want this control
22:17 DaemonFC; Debian works so much better. It never EVER does something stupid and unexpected on the level that Windows does at least once or twice a week.
22:17 psydruid; with GNU/Linux they don't have this control over your systems
22:17 *activelow sighs
22:18 psydruid; especially when there are no ME/PSP backdoors
22:18 psydruid; so screw them and let them die instead of rewarding them with your hard-earned cash
22:18 DaemonFC; I don't think MinceR has actually seen Windows recently. If he had, he'd know that GNOME isn't in the same ballpark when it comes to mental retardation. Windows went to hyperspace and is about a million light years out ahead of the most retarded thing you've encountered on "Linux".
22:18 bnchs; dude
22:19 bnchs; i was in a computer store
22:19 bnchs; and was surprised by some login screen that looked like KDE's login screen
22:19 bnchs; i press enter, and it was just windows 11
22:19 DaemonFC; Had they just left well enough alone with Windows 7 I don't think they'd be hemorrhaging Windows users like this, but you know....They went "there" with Windows 8.
22:19 MinceR; i've seen Backdoors a few minutes ago
22:19 MinceR; i haven't seen GNOME in a while, though
22:19 DaemonFC; Windows is just totally falling apart.
22:20 DaemonFC; It smells of apathy and disgruntled labor.
22:20 bnchs; windows is literally just a copy of KDE
22:20 bnchs; they copy KDE and change it a bit
22:20 psydruid; a bad copy
22:20 psydruid; because internally it's still the same spaghetti
22:20 psydruid; want some sauce with that?
22:22 psydruid; Qt is also going in that direction, though
22:23 psydruid; Dave Plumber's been pulling his Mario trick
22:24 bnchs; oh what is he doing
22:26 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22032212
22:26 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/p74s1s52j4o81.jpg created on 2022-03-22 03:41:05.141781
22:26 psydruid; making excuses for why Linux has "problems"
22:27 psydruid; I think you said that last time
22:27 bnchs; yes like a softie who never left microsoft
22:27 psydruid; I don't remember what exactly it was about
22:27 activelow; none of the major GUI desktop environments are acceptable; it isn't easy to remove dbus/udev/... from gtk3 (compile-time); and qt5 is worse (removed entirely)
22:27 DaemonFC; Micro Center has been a better place to go than the rest.
22:27 DaemonFC; We still have a few here.
22:27 bnchs; he said linux has a secret backdoor that only torvalds knows
22:27 DaemonFC; At one point, they were selling boxed sets of PC-BSD>
22:28 activelow; and there isn't any web browser remaining anymore either, if the criteria for "free software" are strict
22:28 activelow; it is even irelevant, if it's either BSD-licensed kernel and userspace, or GPL
22:29 activelow; not to mention compilers (gcc, llvm), which, with strict criteria enforced, leaves free software not at least with a c-compiler anymore for recent hardware and kernel
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22:37 matey; /me shows people how to compile code into python then run it from the same (already running) interpreter
22:37 matey; its not difficult but its fun
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22:38 bnchs; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBFdLwbzmB8
22:38 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=RBFdLwbzmB8
22:38 TR Bot; yewtu.be | That time Bill Gates had a house party... - Invidious
22:38 bnchs; yes
22:38 bnchs; bill gates the womanizer
22:38 bnchs; but the video doesnt talk about that
22:39 matey; but github has a rainbow sometimes
22:39 matey; microsoft <3 lgbtq
22:39 activelow; i don't know, why Bill Gates is potrayed as a microsoft guy nowadays; his era was/is the i8086 CP/M DOS systems
22:40 matey; i don't know, why Bill Gates is potrayed as a microsoft guy nowadays <- only living founder, one of the worlds 10 richest people because of microsoft, has only named successors who ran it for him like a proxy
22:40 matey; no particular reason.
22:40 bnchs; i wish bill gates died
22:40 bnchs; fucking asshole
22:41 matey; funnily enough, if i was on a boat with bill gates, microsoft and a gun and two bullets
22:41 matey; i would shoot microsoft, twice
22:41 activelow; microsoft 2020 isn't micro-soft 1980; different company, different products, almost nothing in common
22:42 bnchs; matey: nah too obvious
22:42 bnchs; you know just sabatoge the boat
22:42 bnchs; from the inside
22:42 bnchs; and watch them sink
22:42 matey; almost nothing in common <- right, these days they try to control everything done on x86, and in the 1980s, that was TOTALLY DIFFERENT
22:42 matey; i mean THEIR LOGO CHANGED
22:42 matey; what do people want?
22:42 matey; their MARKETING IS NEARLY THE OPPOSITE of what it was
22:43 matey; they used to try to destroy the competitors
22:43 matey; now they just try to make friends!
22:44 matey; they used to have a fuckload of marketshare
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22:44 matey; now they have to BUY OUT things that have a fuckload of marketshare!
22:44 matey; they USED TO dismiss the internet and especially the web
22:44 matey; now they simply work to destroy it
22:44 matey; so yeah, night and day.
22:45 matey; a bit like putlin, they just want to work with ukrainians to do whats best for ukraine
22:45 matey; really microsoft is like a charity, but wait no, their charity is like an evil megacorp
22:47 matey; we complain about them in the media, they buy off the media
22:47 matey; they didnt do that in the 80s
22:47 matey; so thats different
22:47 matey; we complain about the to the government, they buy off the government
22:47 matey; also totally new
22:47 matey; so really its a very different company
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22:48 matey; only the fact that theyre pure fucking evil hasnt changed
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22:49 bnchs; you know
22:49 bnchs; i would have drugged bill's mom
22:49 bnchs; with birth control pills
22:50 activelow; matey: they and their products have become worse, alot worse, since 1980
22:50 matey; <activelow> matey: they and their products have become worse, alot worse, since 1980 <- yes
22:50 matey; so what you said before is confusing
22:52 matey; <bnchs> with birth control pills <- im pretty sure he was made in a lab anyway
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22:52 DaemonFC; Ever since that incident where I had to go to court and fight that traffic ticket last year, I've been reporting the police traps all around town whenever I see them.
22:52 matey; /me checks out a row of vials at wuhan
22:53 matey; "covid 19"
22:53 matey; "bill gates dna"
22:53 matey; "nyan cat meme"
22:53 DaemonFC; Hopefully, I save at least a few people from a ticket and cost the city some money.
22:54 DaemonFC; People ask me why I have my GPS app open when I'm just driving around places I know. I say it's to remind me about red light cameras and cops.
22:55 bnchs; ok
22:55 bnchs; even if he was made in a lab
22:55 DaemonFC; I'm certain I would have gotten at least SOME automated tickets by now if it wasn't for the warnings that I'm approaching the camera. Gives me time enough to slow down to pass the camera and then speed back up again.
22:55 bnchs; spit into the DNA
22:55 bnchs; maybe piss on it
22:55 bnchs; then put it back
22:58 matey; /me would rather see the world become an enlightened army against bullshit
22:58 matey; granted, its a long shot! and im a pessimist
22:58 matey; a VERY long shot. it would make mars seem like it was next door
22:58 DaemonFC; I'm sure my DNA is fairly resilient. Most of my grandparents took terrible care of themselves, especially later in life.
22:58 matey; which it is, sort of.
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 41.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 321.93
22:59 DaemonFC; They make it to their late 80s. One of my grandmothers is still alive. She's 90.
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22:59 DaemonFC; My great-grandparents made it into their 80s and 90s despite no access to modern medicine.
22:59 bnchs; i want to live to see bill gates publicly executed
22:59 bnchs; it will make my life
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23:01 psydruid; he has a son - mini bill gates
23:03 DaemonFC; Instead of lowering the price of gas in Crook County, they hold raffles to see who gets to make it to work for a few weeks. (Gas card lottery.)
23:03 activelow; here is the difference: early Z80 era systems, BASIC, asm hacking, hardware development, computer algebra, hayes 300, ... all of this is still relevant
23:04 activelow; modern ms windows, and most of the "free software", aren't anymore; that's another fundemental difference
23:05 activelow; i mean, the Altair BASIC paper tape inside a museum somehwere, that's more free and open than most of what got a free software license smeared onto
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23:05 activelow; oh, matey seems to have missed my last comment
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23:14 matey; < activelow> i mean, the Altair BASIC paper tape inside a museum somehwere, that's more free and open <-
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23:15 matey; of note is they put code together that they fished out of a skip when software was copyrightable and protected only by nda
23:16 matey; and that they lobbied to make the industry hate hobbyist code, which was sheer hypocrisy
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23:16 matey; as hobbyists often do better, more honest work than microsoft does-- and they talked like it was "piracy"
23:16 matey; free software licenses arent the worst thing about free software by far
23:17 matey; the biggest problem free software has is people who pretend to give a shit.
23:17 matey; if not for them, microsoft would be dying in agony right now
23:18 matey; granted, microsoft is still the aggressor. we cant blame the victim like EVERYTHING is their fault
23:18 matey; though people that pretend to give a shit are still the biggest problem we have.
23:18 matey; and probably the main thing standing between us and victory
23:19 matey; "us" being i dont know, as most people who do care have given up and are waiting for a sign
23:19 *psydruid rounds up the collaborators and summarily executes them
23:20 matey; i mean github already has them corralled
23:20 psydruid; Microsoft has an army of MVPs that keep the company's malware in place
23:21 matey; no question
23:23 matey; free software used to be about saying no to being controlled
23:23 matey; but giafam has made a series of offers that the movement apparently cant refuse
23:24 matey; the best way to quantify the movement itself is to watch projects closely enough to see who is bullshitting and who is fighting
23:24 matey; and most people? are just coding and talking the talk.
23:25 matey; meanwhile the entire movement continues to drift towards corporate control
23:25 matey; sorry, corporate control is not freedom
23:25 matey; it wasnt before, and they only pretend it is now
23:25 psydruid; the thing is that are just writing bs code
23:25 psydruid; that they*
23:25 matey; i wont even go that far, because im not a huge critic of code
23:25 matey; i let people who know more about code quality do that
23:26 matey; i critique projects based on goals and integrity
23:26 matey; and let people who know how to write really good code sort out whats bs
23:27 matey; anything based on github is making a huge compromise
23:27 activelow; ^ try to compile an entire GNU/Linux distro with TinyCC
23:27 matey; anything based at ibm is debatably making an even larger one
23:27 matey; <activelow> ^ try to compile an entire GNU/Linux distro with TinyCC <- no one is going to maintain a free-as-in-freedom linux kernel, not even you
23:28 matey; this isnt a critique of your project, just the linux kernel
23:28 matey; your project is cool enough
23:29 activelow; reminds me, haven't got any TeX system yet inside BaphometOS base system
23:29 matey; one of my associates is a huge fan of tex
23:29 matey; i cant say much about it since ive never used it
23:30 matey; i used to think libreoffice would do well enough for us non-wizards
23:30 matey; but i see libreoffice as destined to be taken over entirely by collabora
23:31 matey; which means its fate is bound to gnome
23:31 matey; hopefully im wrong. either way, the document foundation are dicks
23:31 activelow; any X11/GTK3 related components cannot remain inside bapho base system anyway
23:32 psydruid; does the document foundation standardize odf?
23:32 matey; does the document foundation standardize odf? <- seems likely, but since i dont know i can only guess
23:32 matey; i really dont care about odf
23:32 matey; i know i "should" but if i ask "why" i have no answer
23:32 matey; its one of those "shoulds" that work out to "just because"
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23:33 psydruid; I use it because I can still open the files in 10 years
23:33 matey; odf is a response to industry, in the way that militant atheism is a response to superficial bastardisation of religiious texts
23:33 activelow; the alternative to ms office wasn't libreoffice, it was TeX
23:33 psydruid; but generally I prefer TeX for text processing
23:34 matey; <psydruid> I use it because I can still open the files in 10 years <- i would prefer to use something more readable
23:34 matey; i mean i have years of html crap for example
23:35 matey; html (mine at least) is a lot cleaner than the xml in an odf document
23:35 activelow; btw, epson 9pin printing is maintained too with baphometos; re-integrated lprng even (although not necessary to have a spooler with matrix printers)
23:35 matey; btw, epson 9pin printing is maintained too <- aww, my first (technically second) printer
23:35 activelow; too, Epson supports some bitmap format, to plot diagrams and illustrations with
23:36 matey; my first printer was a wee thermal attached to an 8 bit machine
23:36 matey; it was thoroughly useless, but so cool that i didnt care it only produced (literally) rubbish
23:36 activelow; well, yes, printing subsystem with CUPS was removed too; however the power of fanfeed plotters is underestimated, and their importance
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23:36 matey; however the power of fanfeed plotters is underestimated, and their importance <- indeed
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23:37 activelow; it wasn't that much effort, some config and script for a clean formatted output of text
23:37 matey; my epson 9 pin was the coolest thing ever
23:37 activelow; works with mutt mailer to
23:37 matey; it wasn't that much effort <- it shouldnt be, you could build the interface from discrete parts
23:37 matey; not that any sane person would
23:38 matey; well, a couple might
23:38 activelow; Epson still produces them; the former east-german manufacturing is defunct
23:38 matey; and rms would shit on them in favor of some fly-by-night with an fpga and a bunch of configuration shit on github
23:39 matey; epson > hp
23:39 matey; fuck hp
23:39 matey; /me gets surgery to have additional middle fingers to hold up at hp
23:40 matey; fuck you, linus (and nvidia too)
23:40 activelow; need to place this on TODO: TeX output rendering of math formulas, diagrams, illustrations into epson bitmap
23:40 activelow; with gnuplot there was some issue remaining to keep it inside the c-only base system profile
23:40 matey; figures
23:41 matey; somehow im not surprised that gnuplot is part of the gnu plot
23:42 activelow; maybe, gemini authoring, can be integrated with TeX and 9pin matrix printing; for scientific papers etc.
23:43 activelow; illustrations, diagrams, maths formulas, that's important, with computers
23:44 activelow; so far, the framebuffer-only console of BaphometOS has limitations, such as web browsers (lynx, w3m, links etc)
23:44 activelow; with both, scientific authoring, and electronic publication (screen rendering), and printing onto matrix plotters
23:45 activelow; nonetheless, with baphometos i got www, irc, mail, printing, and anything which can be programmed with C, python (maybe fortran too if need be)
23:47 matey; 8CTO & co-founder, Invoca; co-founder, Gnuplot https://gist.github.com/ColinDKelley
23:47 TR Bot; ColinDKelleys gists GitHub
23:48 matey; 126 contributions in the last year (although none of them are to his own repos, so props there)
23:48 matey; he stopped "contributing" to his own repos in dec 2016
23:53 psydruid; because there is no money in free software?
23:54 matey; hopefully, because after 2016 he realised that he was consorting with the enemy
23:54 matey; i never look into what the "126 contributions in the past year" were of course
23:55 matey; maybe he deleted 126 icons in different html files.
23:55 matey; the resolution of that information is too fine to be useful to me
23:56 matey; theres a funny problem in getting the perimeter of a landmass
23:56 matey; the finer the resolution, the bigger the perimeter gets
23:57 matey; because of all the little nooks and crannies
23:58 psydruid; I'm just wondering if the fundamental problem with free software as a business model, which it isn't, is that there isn't enough money to sustain bloated, unreliable and insecure software stacks for very many developers to stay employed working on those
23:59 psydruid; and all the defections are caused by a need or willingness to sell out
23:59 matey; is that there isn't enough money to sustain bloated, unreliable and insecure software stacks for very many developers to stay employed working on those <- at this point im convinced that free software and capitalism cannot have a working relationship
23:59 matey; these days all attempts to continue one seem to be based on politely ignoring reality
23:59 matey; in terms of ideology, free software is NOT opposed to capitalism. and im ok with that
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