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00:01 schestowitz[TR]; I read about people shooting officers
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; and people escaping, even high-profile
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; 200k men escaping the country
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; and one person setting himself ablazer in protest
00:01 schestowitz[TR]; *ablaze
00:01 XRevan86; schestowitz: Yep, all true.
00:02 schestowitz[TR]; maybe putin can be ousted soon
00:02 schestowitz[TR]; maybe even the military general can cook something up
00:02 schestowitz[TR]; but military junta regime is not much better
00:03 schestowitz[TR]; some of them already speak about using nukes
00:03 schestowitz[TR]; "tactical"
00:04 TR News; Proprietary RemotePC Adds Linux Support https://www.socaltech.com/remotepc_adds_linux_support/s-0082922.html
00:04 TR Bot; Adds Linux Support - socaltech.com
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00:08 TR News; "We enabled the new watchlist feature in February 2022 under the beta program. Since then, we have been improving this feature thanks to the valuable feedback coming from our users. Moving forward today, we are now ready to push it out of the beta program and make it generally available in OBS." https://openbuildservice.org/2022/09/26/watchlist-rollout//
00:08 TR Bot; The New Watchlist Came to Stay - Open Build Service
00:12 TR News; Speech Recognition to Text in Linux, Ubuntu using Google Docs https://www.debugpoint.com/speech-recognition-to-text-in-linux-ubuntu-using-google-docs/ Source: DebugPoint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.debugpoint.com/speech-recognition-to-text-in-linux-ubuntu-using-google-docs/
00:12 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/speech-recognition-to-text-in-linux-ubuntu-using-google-docs/ )
00:13 TR News; Linux User Space 307: Episode 3:07: Emacs Pinky https://www.linuxuserspace.show/307
00:13 TR Bot; Linux User Space 307: Episode 3:07: Emacs Pinky
00:16 TR News; COVID-19: 44% of hospitalisations boosted https://yewtu.be/watch?v=szUC8GpGJ4A
00:16 TR Bot; 44% of hospitalisations boosted - Invidious
00:18 TR News; "A performance fix for recent large AMD systems that avoids an ancient cpu idle hardware workaround" https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=a1375562c0a87f0fa2eaf3e8ce15824696d4170a
00:18 TR Bot; kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree
00:19 TR News; Nokia came back to Linux at the end https://itwire.com/your-it-news/mobility/nokia-releases-three-feature-phones-for-australian-market.html
00:19 TR Bot; - Nokia releases three feature phones for Australian market
00:19 TR News; iTWire - Optus attacker exposes data of 10k, threatens to reveal more https://itwire.com/security/optus-attacker-exposes-data-of-10k,-threatens-to-reveal-more.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/security/optus-attacker-exposes-data-of-10k,-threatens-to-reveal-more.html
00:19 TR Bot; - Optus attacker exposes data of 10k, threatens to reveal more
00:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
00:23 TR News; A lot of the mob which not only attacked RMS but moreover led the mob attacked the man over his "condition", hypocritically failing to acknowledge they themselves have some real clinical conditions. The double standard is just astounding.
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00:32 TR News; (NEW): Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi
00:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
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00:32 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi
00:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
00:33 TR News; (NEW): 20-year-old Linux workaround is still slowing down AMD systems http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/20_year_old_Linux_workaround_is_still_slowing_down_AMD_systems.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/20_year_old_Linux_workaround_is_still_slowing_down_AMD_systems.gmi
00:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines 20-year-old Linux workaround is still slowing down AMD systems
00:34 TR News; Linux 6.0 should be with us very soon | TechRadar https://www.techradar.com/news/linux-60-should-be-with-us-very-soon Source: TechRadar | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.techradar.com/news/linux-60-should-be-with-us-very-soon
00:34 TR Bot; 6.0 should be with us very soon | TechRadar
00:34 TR News; The Real Reason Why The Linux Logo Is A Penguin https://www.slashgear.com/1026441/the-real-reason-why-the-linux-logo-is-a-penguin/ Source: SlashGear | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.slashgear.com/1026441/the-real-reason-why-the-linux-logo-is-a-penguin/
00:34 TR Bot; The Real Reason Why The Linux Logo Is A Penguin
00:35 TR News; Lilbits: Pixel Watch leaked (again), improving Linux performance on modern AMD chips, and Linux for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 - Liliputing https://liliputing.com/lilbits-pixel-watch-leaked-again-improving-linux-performance-on-modern-amd-chips-and-linux-for-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-2/ Source: Liliputing
00:35 TR Bot; Pixel Watch leaked (again), improving Linux performance on modern AMD chips, and Linux for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 - Liliputing
00:38 TR News; "Welcome to the Microsoft/Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 754 for the week of September 18 24, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/09/26/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-754/
00:38 TR Bot; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 754
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00:51 TR News; (NEW): Ubuntu: Ubuntu Touch, Newsletter, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Ubuntu_Ubuntu_Touch_Newsletter_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Ubuntu_Ubuntu_Touch_Newsletter_and_More.gmi
00:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines Ubuntu: Ubuntu Touch, Newsletter, and More
00:52 TR News; (NEW): Devices: GNU/Linux for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2, Banana Pi/Raspberry Pi, and ESP32 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Devices_GNU_Linux_for_the_Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_2_Banana_Pi_Raspbe.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Devices_GNU_Linux_for_the_Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_2_Banana_Pi_Raspbe.gmi
00:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines Devices: GNU/Linux for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2, Banana Pi/Raspberry Pi, and ESP32
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; does anyone here know what happened to m kiwi irc last night?
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 14.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 179.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 115.43
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01:03 TR News; "I think, sadly, its going to take a lot longer than everyone would like too, because there are few people working on it and they are all very busy with other real-life things." https://pod.diaspora.software/posts/4984491
01:03 TR Bot; An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com
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01:04 TR News; GNU has just entered its 40th year in Europe. 40 years completed in 364 days from now.
01:09 TR News; So-called 'leftists' still want the head of Snowden on a stake https://yewtu.be/watch?v=84h4RnRaDWw instead of extending gratitude to him exposing injustice
01:09 TR Bot; Putin Grants Russian Citizenship To Edward Snowden - Invidious
01:11 XRevan86; I personally want everyone to think of Snowden's activism in past tense, ignore what he says now and just let him live with his wife and kids wherever.
01:12 techuser; what he says now?
01:12 TR News; Less toxic coverage https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eB__OJ6xZeQ
01:12 TR Bot; Edward Snowden granted citizenship from Russia - Invidious
01:13 techuser; did he get corrupted?
01:13 XRevan86; techuser: I checked his Twitter, and it's mostly dull criticism of the US politics, Biden and such.
01:13 TR News; 2013 (thinks have changed a lot since): Snowden allowed into Russia https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tABwdFXqkjE
01:14 TR Bot; Snowden allowed into Russia - Invidious
01:14 techuser; oh, ok
01:14 XRevan86; At least the recent posts haven't much to show for.
01:16 TR News; Canonical pushing Windows and systemd https://yewtu.be/watch?v=J4gvO1rDYME
01:16 TR Bot; Tips for working with web services on Ubuntu WSL #WSL #Ubuntu #Linux - Invidious
01:16 XRevan86; techuser: "did he get corrupted?" <- He ignores Russian politics (in the posts that I've scrolled over), which is quite a feat considering how the world is focused on Russian politics right now %).
01:17 XRevan86; That's understandable considering how his life depends on Putin's favourable disposition, but that's corruption.
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01:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
01:20 XRevan86; So my opinion is that he doesn't deserve to be turned over but also doesn't deserve an audience. Just leave him alone.
01:22 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is going completely off the rails.
01:22 DaemonFC; Says that feature requests and bug reports from "transphobes" should just be ignored.
01:23 XRevan86; techuser: Which I guess is what everyone's been doing anyway since no one remembered about him for years until the citizenship news.
01:23 DaemonFC; It seems that you can use this as an excuse to leave your software buggy and missing features that would make it better even if they're not talking politics on your bug reporting system.
01:23 DaemonFC; He would like that very much because he supports proprietary software companies and doesn't want there to be any credible alternatives, which is why he sabotages GNU/Linux.
01:24 DaemonFC; "ransphobes do not benefit society." lol
01:24 DaemonFC; I think Hitler said this about gay men.
01:24 DaemonFC; Which is what led them to Holocaust camps.
01:24 DaemonFC; "and so are incompatible with the goals of free software"
01:25 psydruid; mjg is a has-been
01:25 DaemonFC; Free Software isn't a political movement outside of the debate on whether software should do what the user says or what some tyrant that made the thing and won't give you any source code or rights to modify it made it do.
01:25 psydruid; he knows it, we know it, everyone knows it
01:25 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is useless to the Free Software movement.
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01:26 psydruid; a major liability I should say
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01:26 schestowitz[TR]; Oliver from Canonical does not seem to ahve twitter or linkedin presence
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; just wanted to check if he came from Microsoft
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; his name is very common
01:26 schestowitz[TR]; which makes that hard
01:26 psydruid; don't let him come close to your software, let alone touch it
01:26 psydruid; as it will get infected
01:27 DaemonFC; LinkedIn experiments on people with nasty A/B tests like Windows does. Isn't it better to use Free Software that has the same GUI for all users and doesn't treat them like lab rats to drive some bullshit advertising scheme and defy documentation?
01:27 DaemonFC; mjg59_ stepped up his Shitter attacks on me right after I pointed this out.
01:29 DaemonFC; I don't think that GULAG actually has any real power to convince Free Software people not to converse with me about their software.
01:29 psydruid; let's see how long it takes for him to get fired
01:29 DaemonFC; He's just pouring this crap out there as more of his "legend in my own mind" stuff.
01:29 MinceR; curious thing to be upset about
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; he is a loser and stalker
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; who wastes money on shitty lawyers who try to terrify my wife
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; he is a net bully
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; and he defames a lot of people
01:30 psydruid; mjg will send you to his GULAG
01:30 MinceR; he probably hates free software with a passion
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; for totally BS reasons
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: he does not love anything
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; not even himself
01:30 psydruid; a total backstabbing useless piece of human garbage
01:30 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is a reason there's a binary-only "shim" program that's the first thing your firmware loads up on most GNU/Linux distributions.
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; that's a motivation to just take everyone else down
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; or to put them down
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; to make Torvalds miserable
01:31 DaemonFC; And if you do anything to modify "shim", it won't accept it because it won't be signed by MICROSOFT anymore.
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; to abuse RMS
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; going after old men
01:31 DaemonFC; He's not a Free Software person.
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; RMS is almost 70
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; brb
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; I am trying to figure out how many canonical managers came from microsoft
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; 1 or 2 is not a lot
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; but there might be more we don't yet know about
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft is like a virus
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; it infects hosts
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; Canonical PM: "local_optimum"
01:32 psydruid; I didn't watch that canonical video after the first 10 seconds
01:32 MinceR; it's way too big to be a virus :>
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; localhostthe host is acanonical
01:32 MinceR; it's more like a tapeworm
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; the virus is Microsoft/WSL/systemd
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: yeah
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; it eats the inside
01:33 DaemonFC; He's comparing me to a Nazi. No, my family fought Nazis. What did GULAG's family do? Run from them?
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; that video shows useless crap
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; I watched the entire thing
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; short store, he sets up some containers
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; like apache
01:33 DaemonFC; Perhaps where he got his weasel genes from.
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; than accesses it from WSL
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; then sets up some port forwarding of sorts
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; so you can access it from windows
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; what for?
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; gooef question
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; totally useless
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: link?
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; niter?
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; *nitter
01:34 MinceR; your typos make it look like you're typing in dutch :>
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; comparing a gay man to nazis would be a low blow
01:34 DaemonFC; I feel like anyone who is following mjg59_ on Twitter is seriously misguided and probably not interested in actual facts or talking to me about this. Maybe they're even fake accounts.
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; like mocking an irishman for starving
01:34 DaemonFC; https://nitter.it/mjg59
01:34 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Uh I didn't compare you to a nazi
01:34 TR Bot; Garrett (@mjg59)|nitter.it
01:35 mjg59_; Apologies if what I wrote could be interpreted that way
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; "fuck off"
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; are you sure you are employed?
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; talking like this in public?
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; anger management issue
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; maybe we should file a coc complain
01:36 DaemonFC; One of your followers said you are "telling nazis to fuck off" in the middle of your posts, which you're obviously targeting at me as "he who shall not be named" and you liked it.
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; and re-siubmit him to anger management therapy
01:36 DaemonFC; So what else can I infer from this?
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; and forced apology
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; for telling people, repeatedly, "fuck off"
01:36 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Uh. No. I do in fact think about people other than you.
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; if RMS had done that. there would be a riot
01:36 chunky; guys plz
01:36 mjg59_; In this case I'm talking about Josh Moon
01:36 chunky; i can't stand all this fighting
01:36 chunky; :(
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; https://nitter.it/molly0xFFF/status/1574525483441610761#m
01:37 TR Bot; White (@molly0xFFF): "a FOSS maintainer telling nazis to fuck off rules, actually"|nitter.it
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; that conflates two things
01:37 DaemonFC; I've never doxed anyone to try to compel them to commit suicide. Certainly never done that.
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; and lowers the standards for what qualifies as nazis
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; sooner or later you start saying jk rowling is "a nazi"
01:37 DaemonFC; But I maintain that anyone who commits self-immolation because of some internet trolls was probably 90% of the way there already.
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; and so real nazis
01:37 DaemonFC; Due to serious untreated mental health problems.
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; are just laughing it off
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; "i'm like the harry potter author, a brit.."
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01:38 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, bbl
01:38 immibis; schestowitz[TR]: (1) what do you define as a nazi and (2) why do you need 5 IRC connections
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; this is offtopic anyway
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; but someone has serious anger issues
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; and lower the barriers of "nazism"
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; which is a disservice to peopple who actually suffer from actual nazis
01:39 MinceR; 27 023644 < chunky> i can't stand all this fighting
01:39 psydruid; a british Nazi eulogist
01:39 MinceR; you're on the wrong planet, then :>
01:39 DaemonFC; mjg59_, In fact, I was the victim of doxing and Internet trolls. I called Peter Staley a garbage drug company advertiser posing as an activist, and he raised up an army of, I'm not shitting you, gay men with AIDS, and told them to blow up my house phone.
01:39 MinceR; (and so am i)
01:39 immibis; DaemonFC: you appear to be a communist on all matters except transgenderism, and on that particular matter you appear to be a nazi
01:39 DaemonFC; When I was on THEIR side.
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; immibis: how does (1) related to (2)?
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; is (2) a fallback strategy?
01:39 DaemonFC; Arguing that they should not have to pay those prices for medication.
01:39 immibis; schestowitz[TR]: they don't, except insofar as I pressed tab to autocomplete your nick.
01:39 DaemonFC; And that Staley was part of the problem they were facing.
01:39 starstreak; <immibis> DaemonFC: you appear to be a communist on all matters except transgenderism, and on that particular matter you appear to be a nazi <- +1
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; nazi lowercase
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; has no meaning
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; you cheapen the term
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; like ADL calling lots and lots of peple "antisemites"
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; and in turn renders the term meaningless
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, bbl. have fuin. this is offtoopic
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; we have 2 othr channels for this
01:41 DaemonFC; Staley is an asshole. A real asshole. Not much different than mjg59_. Staley still says "activist" on a mission to wipe out AIDS. With $60,000 a year drugs and the patent racket, I presume. Garrett turned on Free Software when he moved from ACPI to bullshitter for Microsoft.
01:41 starstreak; lol theres 3 actually, daemonfc registered #heilhitler
01:41 DaemonFC; I didn't do anything of the sort.
01:42 TR News; Refuses to comment... https://yewtu.be/vi/xiYew-WTmE0/mqdefault.jpg
01:42 DaemonFC; The only acceptable thing for AIDS drugs is for more of them to go generic and for the government to shut down "pay for delay".
01:43 TR News; Earlier this month: The Privacy Problem Associated With All Mobile Phones (Even Dumb Ones) is Worse Than Snowden Put It http://techrights.org/2022/09/03/privacy-of-mobile-phones/
01:43 TR Bot; The Privacy Problem Associated With All Mobile Phones (Even Dumb Ones) is Worse Than Snowden Put It | Techrights
01:43 DaemonFC; It's where they pay generics companies to delay generics for like 5 years in exchange for a bag of cash so that people still have no choice but to buy the brand name.
01:43 DaemonFC; It's exactly what it sounds like. It's terrible.
01:43 TR News; Refuses to comment... https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xiYew-WTmE0
01:43 TR Bot; JUST IN: White House Refuses To Comment On Putin Granting Russian Citizenship To Edward Snowden - Invidious
01:43 DaemonFC; Then since there's no generics, it also bleeds government health insurance programs dry. (Taxpayers)
01:44 schestowitz[TR]; bill gates profits from it
01:44 schestowitz[TR]; but bill gates does not worry people who attack our movement
01:44 schestowitz[TR]; he's on their side
01:44 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2013/05/09/drugs-business-patents/
01:44 TR Bot; Novartis Pursued by Government Prosecutors, But Not for Its Patent Abuses | Techrights
01:45 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2010/04/19/opposition-silenced-or-suppressed/
01:45 TR Bot; The Gates Foundation May Have Silenced Competing Research Ahead of New Gates Foundation-Funded Study; Gates Connected to Novartis | Techrights
01:45 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2009/12/20/pharmaceutical-industry-patents/
01:45 TR Bot; The Great Pharmaceutical Patent Hoax and the Gates Pharmaceutical Patent Investments | Techrights
01:45 schestowitz[TR]; bill gates is protected minority
01:45 DaemonFC; I don't see how I'm a Nazi on "trans" issues. I already said I'm not amused by it but leave them alone.
01:45 schestowitz[TR]; people who amass over $100,000,000,000 in a tax-doidging offshore account are a minority
01:45 DaemonFC; That's a little different than the Diary of Ann fucking Frank.
01:45 schestowitz[TR]; they're above cricism or something
01:46 *psydruid notices the tactics to undermine techrights have intensified
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; they interject sex
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; I never publicly talk about sex
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; it's not relevant
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; I don't even talk to friends about it IRL
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; you can count on the finger of one hand who brings up sex here
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; even in private messages sent to me today
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; there'a an old saying
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; a politician can be corrupt
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; bribe
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; blackmail
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; etc etc.
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; but the moment there is a penis-related scandals
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; prosecuton of stepping down
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; crimes are OK
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; just keep the zipper in tact
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; that's the standard in society
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; but the "protected minority" of gates
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; they are OK
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; bill clinton, donald trump, bill gates..
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; .they can also fly with epstein
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; no action taken
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40809225.html
01:49 TR Bot; 'Are the British public ultimately paying for Andrew to avoid appearing in court?'
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; the "fall man"
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; maxwell in prison
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; epstein: "well, he's dead"
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; Andrew settled with OUR MONEY
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; but the billionaire club?
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; nothing...
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; not even the media touches them
01:50 psydruid; all of the large tech companies don't exist primarily to serve their clients but to serve themselves and their masters
01:50 psydruid; it's scary how much of software is utterly useless and a giant waste of resources
01:51 psydruid; except when the goals are wealth, power, control and fame
01:51 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/361354943287934976
01:51 TR Bot; This magazine also includes an operating system tutorial written by Bill Gates
01:52 schestowitz[TR]; maybe he dived a trash can for it
01:52 schestowitz[TR]; and then put his name on it :)
01:53 schestowitz[TR]; https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
01:53 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ )
01:53 schestowitz[TR]; missing data
01:53 schestowitz[TR]; "my dog ate my homeword"
01:53 schestowitz[TR]; " Weekly deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate do not include data from Scotlan"
01:53 psydruid; bill gates was in it for those things, but now he engages in other endeavours with a better return on investment
01:53 schestowitz[TR]; "No further update to hospital admissions in Scotland and UK"
01:54 schestowitz[TR]; "Get me into that and goddam, we'll make so much money!"
01:54 schestowitz[TR]; -bill gates
01:54 psydruid; mjg worships bill gates's dumpster diving skills
01:54 schestowitz[TR]; source: http://techrights.org/2007/12/01/antitrust-letters-doj/
01:54 TR Bot; Public Letters Protesting Against Department of Justice Decisions | Techrights
01:54 psydruid; every day before he sends another person off to a life in the GULAG
01:54 schestowitz[TR]; "Get me into that, Bill Gates is quoted as saying, and goddam, well make so much money! The free flow of transportation was engineered by geniusesHenry Ford, John A. Roebling, Norman Bel Geddesand championed by presidentsAbraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower. The free flow of ideas is one of the basic principles upheld by the United States Constitution. Up to now, all successful freedom has
01:54 schestowitz[TR]; been constructed and established on solid principles. Are we truly prepared to draw up a statement that speaks for all of us as a people and a nation, that serves as a catalyst for the surrender of the free flow of information not to an institution defined by principles, but a corporation defined by deception?"
01:55 psydruid; to living a life*
01:55 schestowitz[TR]; gatres hardly rites anything
01:55 schestowitz[TR]; he gets people to do it for him
01:55 schestowitz[TR]; adds his name
01:55 schestowitz[TR]; one wonders what the role of ricj allen jones was
01:55 schestowitz[TR]; he keps chiuld porn videos andf images
01:55 schestowitz[TR]; on several EXTERNAL sdrives
01:55 schestowitz[TR]; seve4ral
01:56 schestowitz[TR]; external
01:56 schestowitz[TR]; portable
01:56 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/jones-search-warrant/
01:56 TR Bot; Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia | Techrights
01:57 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/pee-gates/
01:57 TR Bot; The Real Pee-gate Was on External (Portable) Media of Bill Gates Engineer, Arrested Over Pedophilia at the Gates Mansion | Techrights
01:57 schestowitz[TR]; porn of kids peed on?
01:57 psydruid; portable nazi exploitation drive
01:57 schestowitz[TR]; also relevant: https://techrights.org/2020/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-and-rick-allen-jones/
01:57 TR Bot; What is Known for a Fact (Not Speculation) About Bill Gates, Jeffrey Epstein, and Rick Allen Jones | Techrights
01:57 psydruid; but that's ok, as long as there are boundaries in place
01:58 TR News; How I Record - Edit Audio on Linux // Electric Guitar - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-dZHUj41q-8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/-dZHUj41q-8
01:58 TR Bot; How I Record & Edit Audio on Linux // Electric Guitar - Invidious
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 145.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 113.65
02:00 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Quotes Gates, a pedophile.
02:00 DaemonFC; Lovely.
02:01 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D712.jpg
02:01 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D366.jpg
02:01 psydruid; ban pedophiles from the transformative free software movement
02:02 DaemonFC; "It's actually in response to a maintainer rightfully telling the transphobes to fuck off."
02:02 DaemonFC; Which maintainer, of what?
02:02 DaemonFC; Is there some reason I should care?
02:02 psydruid; does that mean we can kick Microsoft out of all free software projects?
02:02 TR News; Microsoft Doesnt Like Work from Home gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/microsoft-work-from-home.gmi Microsoft is run by criminals and sociopaths. The criminal and sociopathic tendencies vibe well there...
02:03 DaemonFC; All of the well-written Free Software (stuff that actually performs the job it sets out to do) was written a long time ago and has never had any sort of CoC attached to it.
02:03 psydruid; plenty of pedophiles at Microsoft & Friends
02:03 DaemonFC; A CoC alone is a signal to run away from it, usually.
02:03 psydruid; A CoC is synonym for a death sentence
02:03 DaemonFC; A lot of projects that are almost universally well-liked date back so far into the past that they're still hosted on SourceForge.
02:04 DaemonFC; GNOME is on a mission to make IRC suck with Polari.
02:04 DaemonFC; That has a CoC.
02:04 DaemonFC; HexChat works pretty well.
02:04 MinceR; mcgovern is helping
02:04 psydruid; "We got a CoC!" "Habemus CoCkum!"
02:05 MinceR; testiculam habet, et bene pendentes
02:05 schestowitz[TR]; is mcgovern still around?
02:05 DaemonFC; Polari isn't interested in even remembering what my IRC server passwords are. That's a "feature". Can't have those. If I requested one, they'd reject it anyway and it's because they're GNOME and they reject feature requests from everyone.
02:05 DaemonFC; mjg59_, ^
02:05 psydruid; Ita verissime est
02:05 MinceR; still listed on https://www.oftc.net/staff/
02:05 TR Bot; OFTC - Staff
02:05 schestowitz[TR]; didn't heard ANYTHING of him since http://techrights.org/2022/02/14/goodbye-mcgovern/
02:05 TR Bot; Reprehensible GNOME Foundation Leadership Falls on Sword While Richard Stallman Returns | Techrights
02:05 schestowitz[TR]; same for bully "blue hair, cannot code" de blanc
02:05 DaemonFC; Does MATE have a CoC?
02:05 schestowitz[TR]; his deputy in crime
02:05 DaemonFC; Might be worth looking at MATE.
02:06 DaemonFC; Most of the better programmers tended to be "difficult" people who don't get along well with CoC's so it makes sense that the CoC sabotaged the overall quality of Free Software.
02:06 DaemonFC; If the best suited to write it are the people you're running out of town on a rail.
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; coc is sold as opening up to more people
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; in practice, it's about shunning people
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; ujsually for speech that does not even relate to the project
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; like political/voting choices
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; or cirticising - GASP - a corporation
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; since Gulag bribes almost everything (org, project) you cannot criticise espionage now
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; live along with espionage
02:08 DaemonFC; Most of Polari's actual code to implement IRC is just Copypasta from HexChat iirc.
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; or get banned
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; gulag even censors mailing lists of projects
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; to ensure nobody starts dissent against gulag
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; of any kkind
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; like, asking questions
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; "is this ethical?"
02:08 DaemonFC; They put a dumbed down GNOME interface on it and made it impossible to tell it to remember your nickserv password or authenticate with SASL and called it a day.
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; brb
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; doing Daily Links
02:08 psydruid; who doesn't like some CoC once in a while
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; depends
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; if it's underage
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; and without pubic hair
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; epstein wants it
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; and graveley tool
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; he boasted how he likes cocks... but only if they are kids without hair
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; he wrote this in SMS
02:10 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.gmi
02:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; he's sexually sick
02:10 psydruid; what I'm wondering about, though
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft hired him
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; and PROMOTED him
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; MANAGER of github copilot
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; like Conde nast promoted drpizza
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; he was moderating their forum ass editors
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; whilke booking kids to put his dick inside of
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; no word from the anti-foss so-called 'justice' warriors
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; it's not of iinterest to them
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; drpizza like ed bought werre busy hailing mjg59_
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; for his lifetime services to Micorsoft
02:12 psydruid; is whether microsoft, mjg and the rest of the gang bang clan will ever stop when they know 100% of free software projects are CoColded
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; it's about splitting communioties
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; this is what he is here for btw
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; to find ways toicause a rift
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; don't fall for it
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; I support trans people
02:13 schestowitz[TR]; and people can attest to it
02:13 schestowitz[TR]; he tries to make some phony narrative
02:13 DaemonFC; Most pedos are too stupid to avoid getting caught anyway. I was reading about a 26 year old Florida teacher who was convicted of a 5 month sexual relationship with a 14 year old student. She was talking to him over Snapchat.
02:13 schestowitz[TR]; by selective quoting
02:13 DaemonFC; I mean, SNAPCHAT. Really.
02:13 DaemonFC; I'm not joking.
02:13 schestowitz[TR]; or holding me accountable for a person whom I never met
02:13 schestowitz[TR]; and whom I don't agree with on many things except technical
02:13 DaemonFC; "Hey wiretap! I'm in a sexual fling with a 14 year old. Please record our messages for the police later, thanks!"
02:14 schestowitz[TR]; ---
02:14 schestowitz[TR]; self-described sjw: i protect kids
02:14 schestowitz[TR]; [dresses up as kid toy for his sex]
02:14 chunky; did he really describe that screenshot as 'unhinged'? ... really???
02:14 chunky; using words in quotes as an example is unhinged now?
02:15 chunky; gr0an
02:15 psydruid; the thing is that CoC enforcers already own most free software projects
02:15 DaemonFC; Why are people using proprietary iPhone apps to discuss sexual meetups? Especially when they're illegal sexual meetups?
02:15 DaemonFC; Who doesn't know that these apps are spyware?
02:15 psydruid; but even that doesn't make them happy, it seems
02:16 psydruid; I wonder what will make them happy
02:16 schestowitz[TR]; he police likes it this way
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; and then they tell us encryption enables terrorism etc.
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; even when time and time again it's demonstrates they don't use enryp[tion at all
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; they use windows a lot
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; they also us dilects to throw off the wiretapping staff
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; or code words
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; not encryption
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; <psydruid> the thing is that CoC enforcers already own most free software projects
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; cocs originally caame from large corporations
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; as a poretext for funding
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; so that's essentially like saying the big corporations control a lot of free sofwtare
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; even debian
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; takes tons of money from gulag, outsourced CI to guilag clown
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; and then on the side paying lawyers a ton of money to silence whistlebloqers
02:19 schestowitz[TR]; who happen to have also exposed a lot of abuse by gulag
02:19 schestowitz[TR]; so SPI/Debian as used as a proxy for corporations muzzling their critics
02:19 schestowitz[TR]; just lovely
02:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
02:20 schestowitz[TR]; Debian 1990s: scholars making free software
02:20 schestowitz[TR]; Debian 2010: people who can't code but have blue hair (their words)
02:20 schestowitz[TR]; Debian 2020: lawyers and k00ks
02:20 schestowitz[TR]; acting as a proxy for corporations like Gulag Inc. and more
02:20 schestowitz[TR]; voluntering mill
02:21 schestowitz[TR]; "get your staff here for free... they'll build packages for your clown and fix bugs"
02:21 schestowitz[TR]; "be sure to provide poor young girls for them in annual debconf events"
02:21 schestowitz[TR]; "so they can 'unload'..."
02:21 psydruid; if you put in so much work, you'd better get paid good money for it
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, sorry for the metaophr
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; but it's not far from the truths
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; some of them go to these fosss events on their own money
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; unlike the girls who are bussed in
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; the devs don't want to "miss out"
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; of course those girls are
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; 1. not developers
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; 2. barely know what debian is
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; 3. never used gnu/linux
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; in the context of the japenese empire: comfort women
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; or buffer women
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; to give the pretence of diversity in debian
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; buffering it up
02:27 schestowitz[TR]; then take photo ops
02:27 schestowitz[TR]; for the site
02:27 schestowitz[TR]; like companies do
02:27 schestowitz[TR]; mixing the low-paid staff (women and minorities)
02:27 schestowitz[TR]; with the people in charge
02:27 schestowitz[TR]; white men
02:27 schestowitz[TR]; "look, we are all about diversity"
02:27 schestowitz[TR]; we hire women for half the market price"
02:28 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/microsoft-gender-equality/
02:28 TR Bot; Microsoft Gender (In)Equality: Women Dont Ask for Raises | Techrights
02:28 psydruid; discount women
02:29 psydruid; from your local women's store
02:29 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
02:29 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
02:30 schestowitz[TR]; "ask andy rubin for directions"
02:32 psydruid; the thing for me is that microsoft and the gang bang clan can have all the free software they want and milk it and their CoC to death
02:32 schestowitz[TR]; andy imposed his coc on inferiors
02:32 psydruid; but what if paradigms change and people abandon all of that software
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2010/02/07/microsoft-orgies-and-drugs/
02:33 TR Bot; Microsoft Refuses to Comment About (Deny) the Sex Parties, Drug Use | Techrights
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2010/01/28/new-microsoft-hooker-scandal/
02:33 TR Bot; Microsoft Corporation: Sex, Drugs, and Corruption | Techrights
02:33 psydruid; that would be like catching the emperor naked in a sandcastle
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; Orgies
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; At Microsoft
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; don't "miss out"
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; or they will FIRE you
02:34 psydruid; no sane person should ever go to work there
02:34 TR News; (NEW): Firefox: Snap, Tips, and LibreWolf as a Superior Option http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Firefox_Snap_Tips_and_LibreWolf_as_a_Superior_Option.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Firefox_Snap_Tips_and_LibreWolf_as_a_Superior_Option.gmi
02:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Firefox: Snap, Tips, and LibreWolf as a Superior Option
02:34 psydruid; you are essentially getting paid for making the world a much worse place
02:35 psydruid; than it would be if you just went live in a cave or a forest
02:35 psydruid; or a cave in a forest
02:40 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-260922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-260922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-260922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-260922.txt
02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 26, 2022
02:40 schestowitz[TR]; psydruid: can't
02:40 schestowitz[TR]; no working from home
02:40 schestowitz[TR]; or a save
02:40 schestowitz[TR]; *cave
02:41 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-260922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-260922.txt
02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 26, 2022
02:41 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> Microsoft Doesnt Like Work from Home gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/microsoft-work-from-home.gmi Microsoft is run by criminals and sociopaths. The criminal and sociopathic tendencies vibe well there...
02:41 schestowitz[TR]; they need to breathe down your neck
02:41 schestowitz[TR]; like SweatyB (Ballmer)
02:42 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-260922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-260922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-260922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-260922.txt
02:42 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 26, 2022
02:43 psydruid; didn't they put a hiring freeze into place?
02:43 schestowitz[TR]; worse
02:43 TR News; Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-260922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-260922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-260922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-260922.txt
02:43 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 26, 2022
02:43 schestowitz[TR]; they fire
02:43 TR News; Links 26/09/2022: FocusWriter 1.8.3 and Istio 1.15.1 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/26/istio-1-15-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/26/istio-1-15-1/
02:43 TR Bot; Links 26/09/2022: FocusWriter 1.8.3 and Istio 1.15.1 | Techrights
02:43 schestowitz[TR]; many sackings
02:43 schestowitz[TR]; the media not reporting
02:43 schestowitz[TR]; that would be "racist"
02:43 psydruid; yes, the 10% thing they lie about
02:43 schestowitz[TR]; they googlebombed it
02:43 psydruid; or conveniently omit
02:43 schestowitz[TR]; with claims of "1%"
02:43 schestowitz[TR]; their media moles
02:43 schestowitz[TR]; I saw the names
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; they defraud their shareholders
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; might setttle
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; out of court
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; "clown-0first" company
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; it's all growing
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; the clown!
02:44 psydruid; I put that in a comment on tweakers and got downvoted into oblivion
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; no layoofs
02:44 schestowitz[TR]; "everything is ok"
02:44 TR News; (NEW): Software: FocusWriter 1.8.3, Proton Drive, Istio 1.15.1, RemotePC, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Software_FocusWriter_1_8_3_Proton_Drive_Istio_1_15_1_RemotePC_a.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Software_FocusWriter_1_8_3_Proton_Drive_Istio_1_15_1_RemotePC_a.gmi
02:45 TR Bot; Tux Machines Software: FocusWriter 1.8.3, Proton Drive, Istio 1.15.1, RemotePC, and More
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02:45 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
02:45 psydruid; the only thing I can think of is how insecure these people are when it comes to others finding out what is really happening
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; if you added a linkl
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; to repots
02:46 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-09-26.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-09-26.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; maybe the trolls would just absocond
02:46 psydruid; I added a few links
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; still waiting for github-related docs
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; and then carry on with the series
02:46 schestowitz[TR]; people don't do ad hom when you show thekm cout and police files
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; they just keep silent
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; like mjg59_
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; and work out some straw man
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; for a wedge/angle
02:47 psydruid; actually it's a good way to find out who the microsoft boosters are
02:48 psydruid; and for them to out themselves as such
02:48 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> Debian 2010: people who can't code but have blue hair (their words)
02:48 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> Debian 2020: lawyers and k00ks
02:48 DaemonFC; Sounds like mjg59_ and his followers on Twitter.
02:49 psydruid; most down voters never reveal themselves
02:50 psydruid; those are the silent majority who are in microsoft's backpocket without admitting it
02:52 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft was caught... doing this
02:52 schestowitz[TR]; inr eddit
02:52 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/
02:52 TR Bot; Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights
02:52 schestowitz[TR]; more in
02:52 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wiki/AstroTurfing
02:52 TR Bot; AstroTurfing - Techrights
02:54 TR News; (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Today_in_Techrights.gmi
02:54 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
02:56 TR News; "Audacity gains a huge feature, Mozilla makes (valid) excuses, a bumper KDE Korner, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-196/
02:56 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 196 Late Night Linux
02:57 TR News; Forcing people to move to high-radiation and more surveillance-intensive protocols with newer (still valid) PATENTS https://itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/tpg-telecom-to-switch-off-3g-services-in-december-2023.html
02:57 TR Bot; - TPG Telecom to switch off 3G services in December 2023
02:59 TR News; iTWire - Cold feet? Optus attacker changes tack, says all data deleted https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/cold-feet-optus-attacker-changes-tack,-says-all-data-deleted.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/business-it-news/security/cold-feet-optus-attacker-changes-tack,-says-all-data-deleted.html
02:59 TR Bot; - Cold feet? Optus attacker changes tack, says all data deleted
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.93 k/sec., IPFS upstream 160.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 134.80
03:00 TR News; US economy is a GONER. Now it's just busy creating MOAR wars and BANNING the competition... then blackmailing OTHER countries to also ban it. https://itwire.com/technology-regulation/us-bans-two-more-chinese-telecommunications-providers.html
03:00 TR Bot; - US bans two more Chinese telecommunications providers
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03:00 psydruid; I tend to call them out, which they don't like
03:02 schestowitz[TR]; good
03:02 schestowitz[TR]; wait till microsoft adds some coc
03:02 schestowitz[TR]; and bans yoiu
03:02 schestowitz[TR]; on some false pretext/pretences
03:02 schestowitz[TR]; or phones you employer
03:02 schestowitz[TR]; they do this to me
03:02 schestowitz[TR]; or try to bribe it
03:02 schestowitz[TR]; silencing truth
03:03 schestowitz[TR]; by bribing and blackmailing
03:03 schestowitz[TR]; criminals
03:03 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft 'UK'
03:03 schestowitz[TR]; a branch of the gates|Epstein estate
03:03 schestowitz[TR]; i still deal with a copyright troll atm
03:03 schestowitz[TR]; might convince him to piss off soon
03:05 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 182439 total Total number of pages in capsule: 42751 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 1 months 23 days ago
03:06 schestowitz[TR]; wrongly assuming I' compltely ignorant of the law
03:06 schestowitz[TR]; trying to silence stuff about EPO breaking the law
03:06 starstreak;
03:06 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 56 GB TotalOut: 15 GB
03:07 schestowitz[TR]; i see gates has his own emoji now /sarcasm
03:07 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:08 psydruid; showing his true identity
03:17 TR News; 42% Increase in Risk of Neurological Issues Following COVID-19 Infections (7% Impacted Already) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/27/covid-19-neurological-issues/
03:17 TR Bot; Blog Archive 42% Increase in Risk of Neurological Issues Following COVID-19 Infections (7% Impacted Already)
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; psydruid: you said you got a foggy mind
03:18 psydruid; I still do, although it's been getting better later
03:19 psydruid; I caught it for the second time at the end of May
03:19 psydruid; lately*
03:19 psydruid; it was milder but the effects still linger in my body
03:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; "It's no joke. I'm aged mid-40s. I had it in June and it was a few days feeling groggy, sore throat, migraines, everything tasted weirdly bitter, but by no means on death's door. But the after-effects left me feeling like I was mildly hung over for about 2 months with chronic fatigue and lack of focus and concentration. I consider that I got off lightly, but it really was quite disruptive, especially for my work. I'm happy to say I
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; 'm back to full speed now and it put a rocket up me to live a healthier life in general."
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; "My mom is currently finally undergoing treatments for long covid neurological issues 2 years after they started. I sure wish open conversations like this weren't being shut down throughout the pandemic cause maybe then she could've been treated sooner! Hoping the damage isn't permanent. As always, thank you for seeking truth Dr. Campbell!
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; "
03:20 psydruid; I have a specific neurological side-effects that may never go away
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; ""I still have generalized neuromuscular weakness, 2/4 tinnitus, brain fog, and impaired smelling over 4 months after COVID. It seems to be a neurotropic virus
03:21 schestowitz[TR]; "One common post COVID symptom I noticed was a constant strange feeling that prices were going up and energy was ridiculously expensive. Those symptoms often coincided with a paranoia that we were somehow living in a perpetual state of emergency with emergency use authorizations being the new normal."
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03:31 TR News; "Whisper is an automatic speech recognition (ASR) system trained on 680,000 hours of multilingual and multitask supervised data collected from the web. We show that the use of such a large and diverse dataset leads to improved robustness to accents, background noise and technical language." https://openai.com/blog/whisper/
03:31 TR Bot; Introducing Whisper
03:32 TR News; "One of the most common proposed solutions to prompt injection attacks (where an AI language model backed system is subverted by a user injecting malicious inputignore previous instructions and do this instead) is to apply more AI to the problem." https://simonwillison.net/2022/Sep/17/prompt-injection-more-ai/
03:32 TR Bot; You cant solve AI security problems with more AI
03:32 TR News; "image recognition, natural language processing and translation, and much morehas been driven by neural networks, specifically many-layer versions known as deep learning." https://cacm.acm.org/news/264844-neurosymbolic-ai/fulltext
03:32 TR Bot; Neurosymbolic AI | News | Communications of the ACM
03:34 TR News; Attack on workers while making the experience worse for customers (making life even harder... and more miserable ... all for rich people's surplus) https://retailwire.com/discussion/will-electronic-carts-help-kroger-fulfill-curbside-pickup-orders-more-quickly/
03:34 TR Bot; electronic carts help Kroger fulfill curbside pickup orders more quickly? - RetailWire
03:35 TR News; Smart mask could be an early warning system to prevent outbreaks of respiratory diseases https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3193325/smart-mask-could-be-early-warning-system-prevent-outbreaks "Chinese team develops wearable bioelectric mask that can sniff out diseases such as Covid-19 and influenza"
03:35 TR Bot; Smart mask could be an early warning system to prevent outbreaks of respiratory diseases | South China Morning Post
03:36 TR News; X-rays, AI and 3D printing bring lost Van Gogh artwork to life https://techxplore.com/news/2022-09-x-rays-ai-3d-lost-van.html
03:36 TR Bot; X-rays, AI and 3D printing bring lost Van Gogh artwork to life
03:37 TR News; vacancies
03:37 TR News; "Two questions asked recently in Parliament elicited answers from the government that reveal the horrendous state of jobs and vacancies in the Central government" https://www.newsclick.in/Central-Government-22-Crore-Applied-7-Lakh-Jobs-9-Lakh-Posts-Still-Vacant
↺ https://www.newsclick.in/Central-Government-22-Crore-Applied-7-Lakh-Jobs-9-Lakh-Posts-Still-Vacant
03:37 TR Bot; Central Government: 22 Crore Applied, 7 Lakh got Jobs, 9 Lakh Posts Still Vacant | NewsClick
03:38 TR News; "Sites employ dark patterns because they generate income. Until the financial incentives are flipped or no longer exist, expect to see more of these amazing, trendsetting standards that twelve out of five of us dont know about." https://rubenerd.com/this-link-on-a-news-site-may-surprise-you/
03:38 TR Bot; This news site link may surprise you
03:39 TR News; "People who wrongly assume its safe to mingle (thats what our government wants us to think) are doing so at their own risk/peril. Just because its good for business (the economic element controlled by the rich and powerful) doesnt mean you should participate." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/27/covid-19-neurological-issues/
03:45 TR News; (Sponsored) = WEBSPAM https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/27/pcbway-community-focused-pcb-manufacturer/
03:45 TR Bot; PCBWay - A community-focused PCB manufacturer (Sponsored) - CNX Software
03:47 schestowitz; "I'm typing this from an old
03:47 schestowitz; blackberry phone, wifi tethered to
03:47 schestowitz; my actual phone. And I'm logged
03:47 schestowitz; into the republic on ssh, on an
03:47 schestowitz; Android app called Connectbot,
03:47 schestowitz; which this blackberry can run okay.
03:47 schestowitz; Through ssh I can use emacs on the
03:47 schestowitz; republic like I normally do. But
03:47 schestowitz; there is no meta alt key on this
03:47 schestowitz; connectbot, so I had to learn some
03:47 schestowitz; other ways of invoking my favorite
03:47 schestowitz; commands. That's kind of some
03:47 schestowitz; learning, I guess." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/joneworlds/roophloch2022.tx
03:47 TR News; (NEW): CRUX 3.7 Released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/CRUX_3_7_Released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/CRUX_3_7_Released.gmi
03:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines CRUX 3.7 Released
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 13.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 113.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 132.61
04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 14.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 145.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 133.83
05:19 DaemonFC; Peter Venkman: "Yes, it's true. This man has no dick."
05:19 DaemonFC; Mr. GULAG's partner.
05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 14.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 128.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 130.43
06:18 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/26/archdiocese-of-chicago-investigating-3-more-priests-after-new-allegations-of-sexual-abuse-of-minors/
06:18 TR Bot; Archdiocese of Chicago investigating 3 more priests after new allegations of sexual abuse of minors
06:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:26 DaemonFC; mjg59_ says he's a Catholic.
06:26 DaemonFC; "Catholic"
06:26 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/25/4th-suspect-arrested-for-allegedly-beating-man-robbing-him-of-his-shoes-and-clothes-in-crystal-lake/
06:26 TR Bot; 4th suspect arrested for allegedly beating man, robbing him of his shoes and clothes in Crystal Lake
06:26 DaemonFC; MinceR, "I need your boots, your clothes, and your motorcycle." -The Terminator
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.15 k/sec., IPFS upstream 80.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 109.65
07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
07:21 DaemonFC; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/26/russia-man-shoots-commander-drafting-residents-for-war-in-ukraine
07:21 TR Bot; Russia: man shoots officer drafting residents for war in Ukraine | Russia | The Guardian
07:27 DaemonFC; https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//chicago.suntimes.com/elections/2022/9/26/23368895/waukegan-voters-illinois-election-pulse-heartland-midterms-pritzker-bailey-november-governor
07:27 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
07:27 DaemonFC; schestowitz Talking about cost of living.
07:27 DaemonFC; I was talking about how shitty Waukegan's public schools were the other day.
07:28 DaemonFC; If you thought I was exaggerating that they take our tax money, we know not why. Here you go.
07:28 DaemonFC; It just disappears off into some crook's bank account no doubt. Not into the roads, not into the schools.
07:29 DaemonFC; "About half of Waukeganites who took part in the Sun-Times highly unscientific poll said they were undecided on the governors race, with most of those saying they havent even started thinking about their November ballot."
07:29 DaemonFC; Pritzker has been running this state like a fucking dictator.
07:30 DaemonFC; I doubt that Bailey wants to do good things. The guy is, at least a borderline Nazi. Considering voting for him anyway. Why? To cause a giant mess in Springfield.
07:31 DaemonFC; Bailey will accomplish nothing as Governor. The legislature is like, 77% Democrat and probably won't change more than +/- 5%.
07:32 DaemonFC; They have the votes to pass laws without him, but it would take up twice as much legislative time, so they'd have to go into an override session and really it ups the bar for legislation I think.
07:32 DaemonFC; Because the system now, you can get legislation done with a handful of Chicago Democrats, and with a 2/3rds majority to get it past a veto, and cutting their legislative time in half, I think it raises the bar.
07:33 DaemonFC; Instead of talking about harassing FOID card applicants by spying on their Facebook, they'll be doing good to pass a budget.
07:35 DaemonFC; I think that voters in Waukegan are probably serious about turning on the Democratic Party.
07:35 DaemonFC; In our off-year municipal election, we picked off a Democrat mayor.
07:36 DaemonFC; The guy was a corrupt asshole and a sexual predator.
07:36 DaemonFC; That's not exactly odd for Democrats.
07:54 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, September 26, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
07:54 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
07:54 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
07:54 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
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07:56 TR News; (NEW): Migrate to Fedora from Ubuntu [Essential Beginner's Guide] http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Migrate_to_Fedora_from_Ubuntu_Essential_Beginner_s_Guide.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Migrate_to_Fedora_from_Ubuntu_Essential_Beginner_s_Guide.gmi
07:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines Migrate to Fedora from Ubuntu [Essential Beginner's Guide]
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07:59 TR News; "So how do we go about writing that perfect firewall config?" https://bsdly.blogspot.com/2022/09/a-few-of-my-favorite-things-about.html | Source: BSDly
07:59 TR Bot; That grumpy BSD guy: A Few of My Favorite Things About The OpenBSD Packet Filter Tools
07:59 TR News; "Its time to get me up on speed with modern CSS. Theres so much new in CSS that I know too little about." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/100daysof-day1/ | Source: Manuel Matuzovic
07:59 TR Bot; Day 1: custom properties and fallbacks - Manuel Matuzovi
07:59 TR News; "A vector graphic's small file size and scalability makes it uniquely suitable for use in digital printing from business cards to billboards." https://pavilion.dinfos.edu/Article/Article/2223089/vector-vs-raster-images-choosing-the-right-format/ |
07:59 TR Bot; Vector vs. Raster Images: Choosing the Right Format > DINFOS Pavilion > Article
08:00 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.26 k/sec., IPFS upstream 82.40 average k/sec., average swarm size 112.08
08:01 TR News; "Released on Steam on September 16th, the developer says it's "the world's first trombone-based rhythm music game" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/trombone-champ-is-my-new-favourite-rhythm-game/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
08:01 TR Bot; Champ is my new favourite rhythm game | GamingOnLinux
08:04 TR News; "I wrote a small script to automatically reboot if syspatch deployed a new kernel." https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-09-25-openbsd-reboot-syspatch.html | Source: Data Swamp
08:04 TR Bot; Solene'% : How to trigger services restart after OpenBSD update
08:05 TR News; Open Hardware https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/opinion/skateboarding-disability-hacks.html | Source: New York Times
08:05 TR Bot; Opinion | My Parents Are Hackers Out of Necessity - The New York Times
08:06 TR News; "there are a few projects that I stuck with over the years, and which I think deserve a deep appreciation." https://garrit.xyz/posts/2022-09-26-self-hosted-software-im-thankful-for | Source: Garrit Franke
08:06 TR Bot; Self-hosted software I'm thankful for
08:07 TR News; "Mozilla, the web browser company, says it has added Twi to Common Voice" https://qz.com/ghana-s-most-popular-language-will-be-available-to-more-1849572359 | Source: Quartz
08:07 TR Bot; Ghana's Twi added to Mozilla's Common Voice language project Quartz Africa
08:08 TR News; "I hope will give readers interested in this past EuroBSDCon a good overview" https://eerielinux.wordpress.com/2022/09/25/eurobsdcon-2022-my-first-bsd-conference-and-how-they-are-different/ | Source: Eerie Linux
08:08 TR Bot; EuroBSDCon 2022, my first BSD conference (and how they are different) eerielinux
08:10 TR News; "What youd really rather do is search for the words in a transcript, select surrounding context, use that selection to define an audio segment, and share a link to both text and audio." https://blog.jonudell.net/2022/09/25/curating-the-studs-terkel-archive/ | Source: Jon Udell
08:10 TR Bot; Curating the Studs Terkel archive Jon Udell
08:10 TR News; "Obi-Wan Kenobi provided a rare moment of celebration." https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/09/darth-vaders-voice-emanated-from-war-torn-ukraine | Source: Vanity Fair
08:10 TR Bot; Darth Vaders Voice Emanated From War-Torn Ukraine | Vanity Fair
08:10 DaemonFC; Legalizing weed was cool, but then they totally shut out communities of color, graphic designer Yesenia Bareles, 36, said of the states botched launch of the legal cannabis industry. Black and Brown entrepreneurs were essentially locked out of the business until earlier this summer.
08:11 TR News; "Large-language models are a different way of solving a hard to compute, easy to verify problems." https://matt-rickard.com/hard-to-compute-simple-to-verify | Source: Matt Rickard
08:11 TR Bot; Hard to Compute, Simple to Verify
08:11 DaemonFC; Yes, the Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Party of Demonrats in Illinois basically prevented any blacks from getting a marijuana business license until all the ideal spots went to whites.
08:11 TR News; "Building it from source is straightforward; Fedora 36 has SDL2, SDL2_mixer and libxmp." https://www.talospace.com/2022/09/tonights-game-on-openpower-zgloom.html | Source: Talospace
08:11 TR Bot; Tonight's game on OpenPOWER: ZGloom
08:11 DaemonFC; mjg59_'s Demonrat support intensifies.
08:12 TR News; "Though Providence is nominally a nonprofit, but it sits atop a $10 billion private equity fund that it invests in unrelated sectors." https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/25/criminal-conspiracy/#payment-is-expected | Source: CoryDoctorow
08:12 TR Bot; 25 Sep 2022 McKinsey and Providence colluded to force poor patients into destitution Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
08:13 TR News; McKinsey is where Jim AllowHurst came from. Liars like Gartner. Expensive, glorified snakes.
08:13 TR News; "According to a report by the news agency EFE, the scientists visited henequen (Agave fourcroydes) plantations years ago and selected the most robust, resistant and leafiest plants." https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/reviving-the-cultivation-of-green-gold-mexican-scientists-create-modified-henequen-agave/ | Source: Mexico News Daily
08:13 TR Bot; Mexican scientists create modified henequen agave
08:13 TR News; Openwashing https://debugagent.com/open-source-bait-and-switch |
08:13 TR Bot; Open Source Bait and Switch
08:15 TR News; "Dozens of reports and examples show near-identical instances of this issue" https://9to5google.com/2022/09/25/google-photos-corrupted/ | Source: 9to5Google
08:15 TR Bot; Some Google Photos users finding old corrupted images
08:15 TR News; "Former National Security Agency contractor-turned-whistleblower Edward Snowden has been granted Russian citizenship." https://text.npr.org/1125109303 | Source: NPR
08:15 TR Bot; Putin grants Russian citizenship to Edward Snowden
08:15 TR News; "The ICO also found that TikTok breached privacy protections by failing to provide proper information to users" https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3661303-tiktok-could-face-29-million-fine-from-uk-over-kids-data-privacy-violations/ | Source: The Hill
08:15 TR Bot; TikTok could face $29 million fine from UK over kids data privacy violations | The Hill
08:16 TR News; "The Information Commissioner's Office has issued TikTok and TikTok Information Technologies UK Ltd with a "notice of intent"" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/uk-could-fine-tiktok-29-million-for-failing-to-protect-childrens-privacy/94465493 | Source: India Times
08:16 TR Bot; tiktok children privacy: UK could fine TikTok $29 million for failing to protect children's privacy, CIO News, ET CIO
08:16 TR News; "The two sides have hammered out the foundations of a deal in which TikTok would make changes to its data security and governance without requiring its owner" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/26/technology/tiktok-national-security-china.html | Source: New York Times
08:16 TR Bot; TikTok Seen Moving Toward US Security Deal, but Hurdles Remain - The New York Times
08:17 TR News; "Basically, LinkedIn is there to make Microsoft money (duh) by running skeevy tests on people" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/26/microsoft-linkedin-experimented-on-over-20-million-people-over-five-years-and-may-have-stopped-some-of-them-from-getting-a-job/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
08:17 TR Bot; Microsoft LinkedIn experimented on over 20 million people over five years and may have stopped some of them from getting a job. | BaronHK's Rants
08:17 TR News; "This is something of a recurring theme with nuclear weapons, and one of the more troubling challenges to stockpile stewardship" https://computer.rip/2022-09-25-the-nevada-national-security-site-pt-4.html | Source: Computers Are Bad
08:17 TR Bot; Computers Are Bad
08:17 TR News; "On 25 March 2022, in the wake of the war on Ukraine, US-President Joe Biden and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced an "agreement in principle" on EU-US data transfers" https://noyb.eu/en/6-months-agreement-principle-eu-us-agreement-fact-still-missing | Source: NYOB
08:17 TR Bot; 6 Months of "agreement in principle", EU-US agreement in fact still missing
08:18 TR News; "Greeces right-wing government has been caught tapping the phones of journalists and opposition politicians." https://jacobin.com/2022/09/greek-watergate-mitsotakis-spying-predator-wiretap-scandal/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine
08:18 TR Bot; Greeces Right-Wing Government Is Spying on Its Critics
08:18 TR News; "One of the potential concerns in the Certificate Transparency ecosystem is that a CT Log could be compromised." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/TLSCertTransBadLogOptions | Source: uni Toronto
08:18 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/TLSCertTransBadLogOptions
08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
08:20 TR News; (NEW): #HowTo Enable SSH Service in Rescue Mode on CentOS/RockyLinux/AlmaLinux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/How_to_Enable_SSH_Service_in_Rescue_Mode_on_CentOS_RockyLinux_A.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/How_to_Enable_SSH_Service_in_Rescue_Mode_on_CentOS_RockyLinux_A.gmi
08:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines How to Enable SSH Service in Rescue Mode on CentOS/RockyLinux/AlmaLinux
08:22 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Monday, September 26, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/27/irc-log-260922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/27/irc-log-260922/
08:22 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Monday, September 26, 2022 | Techrights
08:24 TR News; "Prosecutors said Gaskill got into an argument in December 2017 with Ohio gamer Casey Viner over a $1.50 bet" https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/wichita-man-sentenced-swatting-case-led-death-90546792 | Source: ABC
08:24 TR Bot; Wichita man sentenced in 'swatting' case that led to death - ABC News
08:25 TR News; "In the coming decade, at least 40% more coal consumption is estimated in India." https://qz.com/india-will-consume-40-more-coal-in-the-next-deacde-1849572249 | Source: Quartz
08:25 TR Bot; India will consume 40% more coal than now over the next deacde Quartz India
08:25 TR News; "This sort of thing ought to be occupying a lot of media space and it is worth wondering why it isnt" https://hongkongfp.com/2022/09/24/note-from-a-dying-planet-dont-just-do-something-panic/ | Source: Hong Kong Free Press
08:25 TR Bot; Note from a dying planet: Dont just do something,panic! - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
08:26 TR News; "Inca Digital will provide DARPA with specialized instruments to provide a more in-depth assessment of [cryptocurrency] markets." https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3658138-military-innovation-office-launching-effort-to-asses-cryptocurrency-threats-to-national-security/ | Source: The Hill
08:26 TR Bot; Military innovation office launching effort to assess cryptocurrency threats to national security | The Hill
08:26 TR News; "Ive been curious about how big commercial solar farms are done for some long while, because their cost per watt numbers" https://www.sevarg.net/2022/09/25/solar-tourism-in-utah/ | Source: Russell Graves
08:26 TR Bot; Solar Tourism in Utah
08:27 TR News; "Therefore, Estonia might have around 1,700 megawatts (MW) of controllable generation capacity to cover peak demand." https://news.err.ee/1608727276/professor-estonians-might-not-even-notice-disconnecting-from-russian-grid | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling
08:27 TR Bot; Professor: Estonians might not even notice disconnecting from Russian grid | News | ERR
08:27 DaemonFC; schestowitz Facebook stock fell another 3% to a fresh 52 week low today.
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; D-)
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; how much?
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; it was almost $000 before
08:28 schestowitz[TR]; *400
08:28 DaemonFC; 136.37 today $353.83 was the 52 week high.
08:29 TR News; "Foundations Development Fund" https://krita.org/en/item/intel-becomes-first-krita-development-fund-corporate-gold-patron/ | Source: Krita
08:29 TR Bot; Intel Becomes First Krita Development Fund Corporate Gold Patron | Krita
08:29 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: so even bitcoin was a better investment
08:29 DaemonFC; $379.38 on August 1st, 2021.
08:29 DaemonFC; That was the peak.
08:29 TR News; "OnlyFans operator Fenix took its grievance to a UK tribunal after UK tax authorities ordered it to pay VAT on all the money paid by fans," https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/onlyfans-should-pay-uk-vat-full-amount-paid-by-subscribers-eu-court-adviser-says-2022-09-15/ | Source: Reuters
08:29 TR Bot; should pay UK VAT on full amount paid by subscribers, EU court adviser says | Reuters
08:30 schestowitz[TR]; so why did you say it sank 80%?
08:30 DaemonFC; I said Beyond Beef sank that much.
08:30 schestowitz[TR]; BF
08:30 schestowitz[TR]; maybe FB
08:30 schestowitz[TR]; BB
08:31 schestowitz[TR]; BB=Bailout Biden
08:31 schestowitz[TR]; BB=Neyanyahu
08:31 schestowitz[TR]; Benoit battistelli
08:31 schestowitz[TR]; Beyond Bill
08:31 schestowitz[TR]; "have this wine, kid"
08:31 schestowitz[TR]; "then you can test bill's flesh"
08:31 DaemonFC; schestowitz When you consider inflation, they've lost more.
08:31 schestowitz[TR]; *taste
08:32 DaemonFC; They're priced in dollars that are worth 10% less now.
08:32 DaemonFC; Officially.
08:32 schestowitz[TR]; well, you bailout billioanires
08:32 schestowitz[TR]; sooner or later you have to admit the money lost value
08:32 schestowitz[TR]; from all those give-aways to the rich
08:32 DaemonFC; https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/ct-lns-waukegan-bailey-photo-st-0921-20220920-dlbubz4y4fdy7c6fxw2o6tp2bu-story.html
08:32 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; now they have anti-crown laws
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; and the "perfect storm"
08:33 DaemonFC; Waukegan's city officials took a picture with Darren Bailey's campaign and then a bunch of Mr. GULAGs complained and it's been deleted from Fakebook.
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; blame nature [socivd-19
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; or china
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; and blame russia
08:33 TR News; "OnlyFans has been told by EU court advisors that it may need to fork out VAT on the full amount paid by subscribers" https://www.vatupdate.com/2022/09/23/comments-on-ecj-c-695-20-ag-opinion-onlyfans-should-fork-out-more-uk-vat-for-its-subscribers-eu-advises/ |
08:33 TR Bot; on ECJ C-695/20 (AG Opinion): OnlyFans should fork out more UK VAT for its subscribers, EU advises - VATupdate
08:33 DaemonFC; He's an elected official NOW. He's a state senator.
08:34 DaemonFC; What are they supposed to do? Just snub him? He was at a public event and went to talk with some city officials.
08:34 DaemonFC; Talking to someone means you agree with all of their ideas, says mjg59_ and a bunch of liberal crybullies.
08:35 DaemonFC; Hell, if he wanted to stop and talk with me for a minute, as a voter, I'd talk with him. I'd talk with Pritzker too. They do things like this sometimes when the press is following them around.
08:36 TR News; "Latest Action: Senate - 09/21/2022 Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs." https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4913 | Source: US Congress
08:36 TR Bot; - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Securing Open Source Software Act of 2022 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
08:36 TR News; "The overwhelming majority of computers in the world rely on open source code freely available code that anyone can contribute to" https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majority-media/peters-and-portman-introduce-bipartisan-legislation-to-help-secure-open-source-software_ |
08:36 TR Bot; Majority Media | Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee | Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee
08:36 TR News; Microsoft et al lobbying to marginalise Free software using FUD https://www.scmagazine.com/brief/critical-infrastructure/bipartisan-open-source-security-legislation-introduced-in-senate |
08:36 TR Bot; Bipartisan open source security legislation introduced in Senate | SC Media
08:36 TR News; Microsoft et al lobbying to marginalise Free software using FUD https://therecord.media/log4j-senators-introduce-bill-centered-on-cisa-open-source-security-efforts/ | Source: The Record
08:36 TR Bot; Log4j: Senators introduce bill centered on CISA open source security efforts - The Record by Recorded Future
08:37 DaemonFC; Edward Snowden taking Russian citizenship is just showing what he really is.
08:38 TR News; "NSAs bulk collection of phone and [Internet] metadata from U.S. users" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-snowden-russian-citizenship-us-whistleblower-nsa-whistleblower-rcna49433 | Source: NBC
08:38 TR Bot; Putin grants Russian citizenship to U.S. whistleblower Edward Snowden
08:38 DaemonFC; He's a Russian now, officially.
08:38 DaemonFC; He had a choice. He could stay as a Russian citizen and support Putin's regime or he could come back here and maybe go to jail.
08:38 DaemonFC; You'd be hard pressed to find people here that disagree with what he leaked.
08:38 TR News; "The police then scoured the home for about 30 minutes, seizing a laptop and tablet as evidence, prosecutors said." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/technology/germany-internet-speech-arrest.html | Source: New York Times
08:38 TR Bot; Where Online Hate Speech Can Bring the Police to Your Door - The New York Times
08:38 DaemonFC; It's questionable what would happen at a trial.
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: media tried to coinvince us
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; but failed
08:39 DaemonFC; I'd rather face a trial in the United States than allow Putin to march me around as theater.
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; media attacking him would be self-hamring
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; you could just eb a gulag
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; pretend to value freedom
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; pretend to value security
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; ]
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; but promote microsoft/nsa agenca
08:40 TR News; "The scale of how TikTok is shaking up entertainment is apparent when looking at where consumers rank it against other formats" https://variety.com/vip/how-tiktok-is-influencing-music-trends-1235382286/ | Source: Variety
08:40 TR Bot; TikTok Is Influencing Music Trends - Variety
08:40 TR News; "What effect is social media having on our politics and, for that matter, society more broadly?" https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/why-misinformation-spreads-so-quickly-on-social-media/ | Source: ABC
08:40 TR Bot; Misinformation Spreads So Quickly On Social Media | FiveThirtyEight
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; *agenda
08:41 TR News; "Human Rights Watch (HRW) is calling on Vietnamese authorities to investigate allegations of the beating and shackling of prisoner" https://www.rfa.org/english/news/vietnam/hrw-calls-for-investigation-09232022003925.html | Source: RFA
08:41 TR Bot; HRW calls for independent investigation into Vietnamese dissidents beating Radio Free Asia
08:41 DaemonFC; I'd come home and my defense would be to ask the jury, directly, if they were comfortable with what the United States Government was doing to them and everyone they knew and I would state to them that the reason I came back was because I couldn't stand to be used as political theater by Putin while so many good people are dying in his war.
08:41 DaemonFC; And that might be enough.
08:41 TR News; "In Spring 2022, PEN America published findings from its first ever Index of School Book Bans" https://www.projectcensored.org/banned-in-the-usa/ | Source: Project Censored
08:41 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/banned-in-the-usa/ )
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: he applied in 2020
08:41 DaemonFC; I don't think that the US would kill him. If it wanted him dead, it has the ability to reach him, even in Moscow. Even right now.
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; 2 years ago
08:41 schestowitz[TR]; before all this mess
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; no, us cannot assassinate people inside moscow. the consequences would be too severe
08:42 DaemonFC; If Russia and the former USSR had the ability to stage hits all over the world, the US certainly could.
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; they can drone an iranian in ooccupied us territory like iraq
08:43 TR News; "So far this year, ALA has tracked efforts to ban or restrict 1,651 titles, up from 729 in all of 2021." https://qz.com/book-bans-are-spiking-in-the-us-here-are-the-most-targ-1849565948 | Source: Quartz
08:43 TR Bot; Book bans are way up the US. Here are the most targeted titles. Quartz
08:43 TR News; "Moms for Liberty did not immediately respond to Insider's request to comment on the ban." https://www.businessinsider.com/girls-who-code-founder-speaks-out-banning-books-schools-2022-9 | Source: Business Insider
08:43 TR Bot; Girls Who Code Founder Speaks Out After Learning a School District Had Banned Her Books
08:43 TR News; "The Register reached out to Girls Who Code, Moms for Liberty, and Pennsylvania's Central York School District" https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/26/girls_who_code_books_barred/ | Source: The Register UK
08:43 TR Bot; "Girls Who Code" books banned in some US classrooms The Register
08:43 TR News; "Some of the biggest titles in classic and modern literature have been banned in schools and libraries around the United States" https://www.newsweek.com/handmaids-tale-girls-who-code-other-books-banned-us-1745890 | Source: Newsweek
08:43 TR Bot; 'Handmaid's Tale,' 'Girls Who Code' and Other Books Just Banned in the U.S.
08:44 TR News; "Supporters in Hong Kong have been barred from games for almost three years due to the coronavirus pandemic" https://hongkongfp.com/2022/09/25/chinese-anthem-booed-at-hong-kong-football-match-as-police-film-fans/ | Source: Hong Kong Free Press
08:44 TR Bot; Chinese anthem booed at Hong Kong football match, as police film fans - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
08:46 TR News; "Project Caviar involves the already established Alliance for Open Media, a partnership between some of the most important technology and media companies" https://www.techspot.com/news/96086-project-caviar-google-promoting-new-royalty-free-audio.html | Source: TechSpot
08:46 TR Bot; Caviar: Google is promoting new royalty-free audio and video codecs | TechSpot
08:46 TR News; "Google wants to strengthen both those efforts with a new umbrella brand that can better compete with Dolbys branding." https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/entertainment/project-caviar-chromecast-hd-webar | Source: Protocol http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/
08:46 TR Bot; Google is pushing for open media formats - Protocol
08:46 TR Bot; Dolby Patents Are Being Used in Patent-Trolling Activity Against GNU/Linux, But Dolby is Said to Be a GPL Violator | Techrights
08:46 TR News; "Dolby charges manufacturers mere dollars for brands to pile on Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision onto consumer products and earns the bulk of its moolah via playbacks" https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-google-project-caviar-royalty-free-hdr-3d-audio | http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/
08:46 TR Bot; leaked Project Caviar may lead to royalty-free alternatives of Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision - HardwareZone.com.sg
08:46 TR News; "Today, Dolby charges a license fee to device makers that want to add Atmos and Vision support, which is increasingly advertised by streaming services" https://9to5google.com/2022/09/21/google-formats-dolby/ | Source: 9to5Google http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/
08:46 TR Bot; wants open alternative to Dolby Atmos, Vision - 9to5Google
08:46 *frog has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
08:47 psydruid; I'm not sure if I was greeted with a popup to donate when clicking on the comments on Moronix AMDShill, but if that's the case it's a new low even for him
08:48 TR News; helpnetsecurity in another wave of anti-Free software FUD; so back doors in proprietary crap is OK, but this is... the sky is falling? https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/27/open-source-projects-cyberattacks/
08:48 TR Bot; Open source projects under attack, with enterprises as the ultimate targets - Help Net Security
08:48 TR News; Why did he steal the documents? Maggie Haberman's book may hold the answer | Salon.com https://www.salon.com/2022/09/26/why-did-he-steal-the-documents-maggie-habermans-book-may-hold-the-answer/ Source: Salon | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.salon.com/2022/09/26/why-did-he-steal-the-documents-maggie-habermans-book-may-hold-the-answer/
08:48 TR Bot; did he steal the documents? Maggie Haberman's book may hold the answer | Salon.com
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; psydruid: he got more AMD gifts this past week
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; he gets gifts every week
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; he can liquidate them in ebay
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; quick cash generator
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; fatima is unemployed
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; she can do that for michael
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; to save hgim the time
08:49 psydruid; I don't see why anyone would donate to him
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; me neither
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; at this point
08:49 schestowitz[TR]; lllike giving money to OSI
08:50 psydruid; This is like OSI asking for donations
08:50 psydruid; exactly
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/osi-budget-for-proprietary-software-monopoly/
08:50 TR Bot; In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; 4% from fools
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; who help that corporate takeover
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; and help github
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; what next?
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; donate button for github?
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; to miceosoft
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; mozilla does this
08:50 schestowitz[TR]; donate to spying company
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; that turned firefox into a "SOCIAL MEDIA" shitshow
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; in every new page
08:51 psydruid; it's disgusting
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; run by FB managers
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; the product manager
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; hiured a month or so ago
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; forkmer twitter and facebook exec
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; that is the future of firefox
08:51 psydruid; Firefox is my sports stream browser
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; a social media
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; to be fair, netscape did the same
08:51 psydruid; Chromium my gmail browser
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; netscape.com was a digg.com clone for a while
08:51 psydruid; I mostly use Falkon
08:51 schestowitz[TR]; I worked there for 2 years
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; then it became propeller.ccom
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; they tried to convert netscape userbase to something eklse
08:52 schestowitz[TR]; and people with email account there
08:52 psydruid; so this is Mozilla going back to its Netscape roots?
08:53 psydruid; Netscape 6 was horrible, but DFC has already said everything about it
08:53 TR News; Gulag wants to control your mind https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/google-will-soon-kill-ad-blockers-with:1
08:53 TR Bot; Google Will Soon Kill Ad Blockers With Manifest V3 - What to do!
08:55 TR News; ABC gives platforms to criminals and pedophiles, painting them as heros https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/gates-foundation-prods-honors-inspiration-goalkeepers-90295162
08:55 TR Bot; Gates Foundation prods UN, honors inspiration as Goalkeepers - ABC News
08:55 TR News; Assange rally at the Three Sisters | Blue Mountains Gazette | Katoomba, NSW https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/7917916/assange-rally-at-the-three-sisters/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/7917916/assange-rally-at-the-three-sisters/
08:55 TR Bot; Assange rally at the Three Sisters | Blue Mountains Gazette | Katoomba, NSW
08:57 TR News; Russians empty some Finnish ATMs with Chinese credit cards | News | Yle Uutiset https://yle.fi/news/3-12638271 Source: YLE | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yle.fi/news/3-12638271
08:57 TR Bot; Russians empty some Finnish ATMs with Chinese credit cards | News | Yle Uutiset
08:57 TR News; Fascism https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/26/giorgia-meloni-and-the-return-of-fascism-to-italy/ | Source: Counter Punch
08:57 TR Bot; Meloni and the Return of Fascism to Italy - CounterPunch.org
08:57 TR News; Fascism https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/26/chris-hedges-the-return-of-fascism/ | Source: Scheerpost
08:57 TR Bot; Hedges: The Return of Fascism scheerpost.com
08:58 TR News; FCC https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/26/the-fcc-finally-starts-taking-space-junk-seriously/ | Source: Techdirt
08:58 TR Bot; FCC Finally Starts Taking Space Junk Seriously | Techdirt
08:58 TR News; "Peoples Republic of California" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/26/san-francisco-legislators-approve-bill-giving-cops-live-on-demand-access-to-private-security-cameras/ | Source: Techdirt
08:58 TR Bot; Francisco Legislators Approve Bill Giving Cops Live, On Demand Access To Private Security Cameras | Techdirt
08:58 TR News; "Last year, I tried to create a test suite of websites that any new internet regulation ought to be tested against." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/26/subreddit-discriminates-against-anyone-who-doesnt-call-texas-governor-greg-abbott-a-little-piss-baby-to-highlight-absurdity-of-content-moderation-law/ | Source: Techdirt
08:58 TR Bot; Discriminates Against Anyone Who Doesnt Call Texas Governor Greg Abbott A Little Piss Baby To Highlight Absurdity Of Content Moderation Law | Techdirt
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.05 k/sec., IPFS upstream 70.83 average k/sec., average swarm size 120.48
09:00 TR News; "This guide explains what is Jellyfin, how to install Jellyfin in Linux and how to setup streaming media server using Jellyfin in Linux." https://ostechnix.com/how-to-setup-linux-media-server-using-jellyfin/ | Source: OSTechNix
09:00 TR Bot; Streaming Media Server Using Jellyfin In Linux - OSTechNix
09:00 TR News; "In this guide, we explore some of the tips that you can implement to safeguard your SSH servers from brute-force attacks on RHEL-based Linux distributions" https://www.tecmint.com/prevent-ssh-brute-force-login-attacks/ | Source: TecMint
09:00 TR Bot; 5 Best Practices to Prevent SSH Brute-Force Login Attacks
09:01 TR News; "One of the most outstanding examples is ONLYOFFICE Docs, a self-hosted online office package that flawlessly runs on Linux and Windows servers" https://www.tecmint.com/onlyoffice-docs-plugins/ | Source: TecMint
09:01 TR Bot; Top 5 Open Source Plugins for ONLYOFFICE Docs
09:02 TR News; "99% of CLOWN workloads" https://ubuntu.com//blog/open-source-cloud | Source: Ubuntu
09:02 TR Bot; cloud for beginners with OpenStack | Ubuntu
09:04 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
09:04 TR News; "So without going into too much detail, there was a disagreement about the implementation of a feature at The Enterprise. The feature is just marking a particular type of account and having the ability to test it. At first, it was a disagreement between two people" gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/09/26.1
09:05 TR News; "As you may have seen elsewhere, I wrote a silly thing called Let's Play OS 2200 on the HTTP version of this site, and it got some attention. At first I was happy to see people were enjoying it, but the last day or so have been rough" gemini://arcanesciences.com/gemlog/22-09-26/
09:05 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights
09:06 TR News; Anyone Worth a Hunk of Stepping Stone gemini://thurk.org/blog/573.gmi
09:06 TR News; "If you look into the .ssh folder in your home directory, you'll see a known_hosts file among other files." https://linuxhandbook.com/known-hosts-file/ | Source: Linux Handbook
09:06 TR Bot; What is known_hosts File in Linux [Everything to Know]
09:07 TR News; "All of the ALP Workgroups are working towards delivering promised September ALP prototype with the codename Les Droites." https://news.opensuse.org/2022/09/26/alp-les-droites/ |
09:07 TR Bot; ALP prototype 'Les Droites' is to be expected later this week. - openSUSE News
09:07 TR News; "There is big news brewing! SUSE has reconsidered setting the minimum architecture baseline for ALP from the originally announced x86_64-v3 to x86_64-v2." https://news.opensuse.org/2022/09/26/alp-architecture-baselevel-x86_64-v2/ |
09:07 TR Bot; ALP minimal arch baselevel will be x86_64-2 - openSUSE News
09:07 TR News; "Did you know you can change the boot animation on the Steam Deck?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/custom-boot-animations-for-the-steam-deck-are-pretty-sweet/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:07 TR Bot; boot animations for the Steam Deck are pretty sweet | GamingOnLinux
09:07 TR News; "Augustus is a game engine reimplementation for the classic Caesar III, enabling you to play on modern platforms (like Linux / Steam Deck)" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/caesar-iii-game-engine-augustus-has-a-new-releases-up/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:07 TR Bot; III game engine Augustus has a new releases up | GamingOnLinux
09:07 TR News; RTS 0 A.D. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/free-and-open-source-rts-0-ad-alpha-26-zhuangzi-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:07 TR Bot; and open source RTS 0 A.D. Alpha 26 'Zhuangzi' is out now | GamingOnLinux
09:08 TR News; "Recently, there were was an upgrade to the Battle.net client that caused it to break on Linux desktop / Steam Deck" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/blizzard-may-not-support-steam-deck-linux-but-they-still-fix-issues-for-it/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
09:08 TR Bot; don't officially support Steam Deck / Linux but they still fix issues for it | GamingOnLinux
09:09 TR News; "The RelayFi is a soon to be launched board featuring an ESP32-WROOM SoC and 4 channel relays to control up to 4 high-voltage devices." https://linuxgizmos.com/esp32-based-board-targets-smart-home-applications/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
09:09 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/esp32-based-board-targets-smart-home-applications/ )
09:09 TR News; "Polywell Computers recently unveiled a fanless Box PC integrating the Rockchip 3588 SoC to target digital kiosks" https://linuxgizmos.com/box-pc-packs-rockchip-x3588-chipset-and-runs-on-android-12-0/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
09:09 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/box-pc-packs-rockchip-x3588-chipset-and-runs-on-android-12-0/ )
09:10 TR News; Californias Dependency on Prison Labor... SO WOKE!! https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/26/californias-__dependency-on-prison-labor-for-fighting-fires-must-end/ | Source: Scheerpost
09:10 TR Bot; Dependency on Prison Labor for Fighting Fires Must End scheerpost.com
09:10 schestowitz[TR]; CA liberals: don't say "master
09:10 schestowitz[TR]; CA liberals: use slaves
09:10 schestowitz[TR]; people to wheel around their food
09:10 schestowitz[TR]; to put out fires without salaries
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; sounds more like north korea
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; than a liberal haven
09:11 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC will have a field day
09:12 TR News; "political scientist at the University of California" https://www.propublica.org/article/democracy-demagogues-fascism-elections-barbara-walter | Why Pro Publica raises money (bribed) from criminals like Bill Gates would also be a topic worth exploring
09:12 TR Bot; Why Are So Many People Now Embracing Demagogues? ProPublica
09:13 TR News; Snowden https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/after-nearly-decade-exile-snowden-granted-russian-citizenship | Source: Common Dreams
09:13 TR Bot; After Nearly a Decade in Exile, Snowden Granted Russian Citizenship
09:13 TR News; "according to an executive decree" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/26/putin-grants-citizenship-to-edward-snowden | Source: Meduza
09:13 TR Bot; NO TITLE
09:14 TR News; Linux optimised for 386 and 486 https://www.osnews.com/story/135329/linux-optimised-for-386-and-486/
09:14 TR Bot; optimised for 386 and 486 OSnews
09:16 TR News; Reverse Engineering https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/reverse-engineering-hack-chat-with-matthew-alt/ | Source: Hackaday
09:16 TR Bot; Engineering Hack Chat With Matthew Alt | Hackaday
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> sounds more like north korea
09:21 DaemonFC; Wrong. In North Korea, there's only one guy who gets to live like Kim Jong Un while everyone else in the country suffers. In California, mjg59_ can live like the dictator while unpaid slaves put out his fires.
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; i know someone with "ssmart" door bell
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; companies should be fined or dissolved if they sell these
09:21 schestowitz[TR]; they violate the basic rights of people who chose NOT to buy these
09:22 TR News; "Back in the beige box days of computing, it was pretty easy to tell what your machine was doing just by listening to it" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/tiny-dongle-brings-the-hard-drives-song-back-to-updated-retrocomputers/ | Source: Hackaday
09:22 TR Bot; Dongle Brings The Hard Drives Song Back To Updated Retrocomputers | Hackaday
09:23 TR News; NASA is behaving like a military agency disguised as "fun" and "let's explore THE SPACE! Yay!" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/watch-nasa-crash-a-probe-into-an-asteroid-tonight/ | Source: Hackaday
09:23 TR Bot; NASA Crash A Probe Into An Asteroid Tonight | Hackaday
09:23 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], But what's supposed to scare away the crackheads that are there to steal mjg59_'s television set if not for the Ring? ;)
09:24 TR News; (NEW): Games: Trombone Champ, Steam Deck, Caesar III, 0 A.D., Blizzard http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Games_Trombone_Champ_Steam_Deck_Caesar_III_0_A_D_Blizzard.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Games_Trombone_Champ_Steam_Deck_Caesar_III_0_A_D_Blizzard.gmi
09:24 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Games_Trombone_Champ_Steam_Deck_Caesar_III_0_A_D_Blizzard.shtml )
09:24 MinceR; DaemonFC: "You forgot to say 'please'."
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; pleas
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; I plead guilty
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; something I didn't do
09:25 schestowitz[TR]; the justUS system blackmailed me into it
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09:26 TR News; "the Silent Killer of Extreme Heat" https://therevelator.org/heat-island-solutions/ | Source: The Revelator
09:26 TR Bot; How Cities Are Preparing for the Silent Killer of Extreme Heat The Revelator
09:27 TR News; Experience HEY HI with the Raspberry Pi Foundation and DeepMind https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/experience-ai-deepmind-ai-education/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
09:27 TR Bot; Experience AI with the Raspberry Pi Foundation and DeepMind - Raspberry Pi
09:27 TR News; "On Monday morning, hundreds of teachers and students formed a human chain around one of Hungarys best schools" https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/26/i-dont-believe-the-government-is-waiting-for-eu-funds-to-raise-teachers-wages | Source: Telex (Hungary)
09:27 TR Bot; Telex: I dont believe the government is waiting for EU funds to raise teachers wages
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: who needs education anyway?
09:27 schestowitz[TR]; it makes people vote for "soros"
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09:32 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> I plead guilty
09:32 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> something I didn't do
09:32 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> the justUS system blackmailed me into it
09:32 DaemonFC; Do you think that's unlikely?
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; happens all the time
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; "some bargaaaaaaaaiiiinnnnnn..."
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; happened to Linus Torvalds
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; LF/brigade: we could kick you out of Linux
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; OR:
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; you see therapists for a month
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; for brainwash
09:33 schestowitz[TR]; and humiliation
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; but first, issue a public apology to us
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; and then say,
09:34 mjg59_; You have a very odd idea about what therapy is
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; "thank you sir, may I have another one?"
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; therapy is for demaged heads like yours
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; Torvalds did nothing wwwrong
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; he expressed an opinion
09:34 schestowitz[TR]; and confronted trolls
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; and people wh kept submitting bad code
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; even after scoldied not to
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; because they had been wasting time
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; linus development worked better back then
09:35 mjg59_; Like I said, you have a very odd idea about what therapy is
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; now we have companies like Google forcing him to NOT make Linux with one language
09:35 DaemonFC; They'd put mjg59_ into a state mental hospital except he'd be waiting behind everyone else in California.
09:35 schestowitz[TR]; in the falase name of "security"
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; he wants to degrade other people
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; like defaming people
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; and then accusing them of defamation
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; going tos ee threrapists
09:36 mjg59_; You understand that most exploitable bugs in Linux are memory safety issues, right
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; and then trying to drag Torvalds to therapistsw
09:36 schestowitz[TR]; hich Torvalds never needed
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: no
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; it's companies
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; like yours
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; and you
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; putting back doors in it
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; like bad ciphers
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; "secure" boot
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; YOU are the security thrrreat to Linus
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; and you did great harm
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; you admit this in passing in your blog
09:37 schestowitz[TR]; re Leniovo
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, later today I record a strong ofm ideos
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; one of them will be about the security FUD
09:38 mjg59_; Is it a security issue if unprivileged user-level code can modify the running kernel?
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; and how the US regime now passed anti-FOSS laws
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; after lobbying and lies
09:38 mjg59_; Or is that not a security issue?
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; I mentioned links related to this earlier
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; no
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; the security iseues are
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; social engineering
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; moles
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; like spy agencies
09:38 mjg59_; Ok
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; like google
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; like you
09:38 schestowitz[TR]; helping enermies of the users
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; of Linux
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; of Free software
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; of debates
09:39 mjg59_; So why does root have more privileges than other users?
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; Open, REAL debates
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; not sanitised BS
09:39 mjg59_; Hey I'd happily debate you
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; priv esc is not sa big deal
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; it can be
09:39 mjg59_; Name a venue
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; if you don't turst users on the system
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; or if you runa world-facing service
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; and people can use that to issue commands
09:39 schestowitz[TR]; like submitting forms
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; many sites are not world-facing
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; and do not allow user input of this sort
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; like the latyest pythoin bug
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; about compression
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; and handling of tar, not compressed
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; how many actual pythoin pro9grms are affected?
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; few.
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; the press said 350,,,0to spread lies
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; and cited microsoft shithub
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; this is corrupt media
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; like the onjes that cites you
09:40 schestowitz[TR]; for promoting fake security
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; where security means back doors
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; and not something a scommunity controls fully
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; let alone the suers
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; users
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; suers if youi
09:41 mjg59_; Seems like you're confident you'd win such a debate
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; yopu already lost the debate
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; sorry for telling you the bad news
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; peoplem who judge secure [sic] boot hate it
09:41 mjg59_; Ok, so let's do it live and you can win
09:41 schestowitz[TR]; and that's why you troll us
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; because you think you can pull a Microsoft
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; by convincing people to say they were wwwwrong
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; you malso wanted ME to issue YOU a public apologyu
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; the audacity
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; by blackmiling my wife and I
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; that's who you are
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; smell like a apsy
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; act like a sdpy
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; and stalk our IRC network
09:42 schestowitz[TR]; btw, re CAs
09:42 mjg59_; So you won't debate me?
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; we're starting to get evidence we werre right
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; vindicated by sanctions sccoated with russia
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; morefake security
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; where control by the Empire is wrongly equated with "security"
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; and this is whow youi made a living
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; I dooon't need toi debate one who already lost the debate
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; and admitted as uch
09:43 mjg59_; I think you're misinterpreting what's happening there
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; e.g. the blog poists re Lenovvvo
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; you said,
09:43 schestowitz[TR]; I was wrong
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; UEFI 'secure' boot IS an anti-Linux weapons
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; but not in those words
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; just alluding to it proactively
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; to cover your arse
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; what happened is EXACTLY what ewe said would happen
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; but you don't want to apologise and admit it
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; Lenovo won't be the last
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; the objective is to put barbwire on all PCs
09:44 schestowitz[TR]; you put a piece of the puzzle
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; Torvalds publicluy scoled you for it
09:45 DaemonFC; mjg59_, So how is Windows secure when your primary means of software installation is grab a proprietary software installer off a random website and run it?
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; but he was not as well connected to the ;powers that be
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; so it was him taking the heat from the media
09:45 DaemonFC; They can't even fix that and they say they worry about boot path malware.
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; same when he scoled NVIDIA in public
09:45 schestowitz[TR]; they totally deserved ita
09:45 TR News; Artem Kamardin https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/27/poet-artem-kamardin-beaten-and-raped-by-russian-police | Source: Meduza
09:46 TR Bot; NO TITLE
09:46 TR News; Vigilante with immunity https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/26/appeals-court-bizarrely-redacts-qualified-immunity-decision-to-hide-how-compliant-the-plaintiff-was/ | Source: Techdirt
09:46 TR Bot; Court Bizarrely Redacts Qualified Immunity Decision To Hide How Compliant The Plaintiff Was | Techdirt
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: just leave it
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; he lost the debate years ago
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; people made up their minds
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; they don't want trash like 'secure' boot
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; they disable it the moment they realise it's there
09:47 DaemonFC; GNOME is running an astroturfing website against theming.
09:47 TR News; <li>
09:47 schestowitz[TR]; IBM
09:47 DaemonFC; They say that even icon packs are bad because "software authors should be in control of their branding". LOL
09:47 TR News; "With its invasion of Ukraine, Russia ignited a regional conflict with global repercussions." https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-copyright-groups-are-concerned-about-russias-handling-of-online-piracy-220926/ | Source: Torrent Freak
09:47 TR Bot; Copyright Groups Are Concerned About Russia's Handling of Online Piracy * TorrentFreak
09:48 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/richard-hughes-secure-boot-sham/
09:48 TR Bot; GNOME (IBM/Red Hat Staff) Promoting Microsofts Security Scam With the Secure Boot Sham | Techrights
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09:49 TR News; 3D Printing https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/when-3d-printing-gears-it-pays-to-use-the-right-resin/ | Source: Hackaday
09:49 TR Bot; 3D Printing Gears, It Pays To Use The Right Resin | Hackaday
09:49 MinceR; lol @ gnome's branding bullshit
09:49 TR News; HEY HI https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/lending-a-helping-hand-to-hens-with-ai/ | Source: Hackaday
09:49 TR Bot; A Helping Hand To Hens With AI | Hackaday
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; gnome is largely captured
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; by ICBM and co.
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; Gulag too
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; the oppressors
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; who occupy t he community
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; and tehy they "Support" us
09:49 schestowitz[TR]; Red Hat was not as bad
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; since ICBM took over things took a turn for the worse
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; and they even collude with Microsoft a lotm more
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; like the overencompassing unbrella of "defense budget" issues command collectively
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; "we'll bail you out... IF"
09:50 schestowitz[TR]; (bailout=gov. contracts, graft)
09:51 TR News; EPA https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/80-democrats-urge-biden-epa-accept-union-demands | Source: Common Dreams
09:51 TR Bot; 80+ Democrats Urge Biden EPA to Accept Union Demands
09:51 highest_cubist_thrills; schestowitz[TR ] priv esc is not sa big deal schestowitz[TR ] it can be schestowitz[TR ] if you don't turst users on the system schestowitz[TR ] or if you runa world-facing service schestowitz[TR ] and people can use that to issue commands schestowitz[TR ] like submitting forms
09:52 highest_cubist_thrills; im no security expert
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; it's a flaw
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; but not a severe one
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; shell escapes in telnet and ssh
09:52 highest_cubist_thrills; but apart from "priv esc is not sa big deal" followed by a list of reasons it can...
09:52 highest_cubist_thrills; it sounds like you only think its a problem for people running servers
09:52 schestowitz[TR]; why yuou don't want to allow access without login details
09:52 mjg59_; Yeah turns out it's a pretty big deal
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; for bbs
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; Yeah turns out it's a pretty big deal <- i mean once someone creates a shell...
09:53 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
09:53 TR News; Giorgia Meloni https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/led-giorgia-meloni-fascists-set-take-power-italy-first-time-mussolini | Source: Common Dreams
09:53 TR Bot; Led by Giorgia Meloni, Fascists Set to Take Power in Italy for First Time Since Mussolini
09:53 mjg59_; Namespacing massively reduces the damage someone can do if they exploit a single service, unless there's privilege escalation in the kernel
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; which can be done by arbitrary code...
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; then theyre root.
09:53 highest_cubist_thrills; thats not a big deal?
09:54 highest_cubist_thrills; ofc when someone says (correctly) that priv esc IS a big deal
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; they need to be inside to begin with
09:54 highest_cubist_thrills; it depends on the method, whats vulnerable, each instance depends on several factors afaik...
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; or to be able to issue commands as apache/similar
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; which on most web sites they cannot
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; they don't just pass any command they want
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; input sanitsed
09:54 mjg59_; Yes, and the reason they can be inside is overwhelmingly to do with memory unsafety bugs in exposed code
09:54 schestowitz[TR]; and limited to what a CMS might permit
09:54 mjg59_; Roy
09:55 mjg59_; You've written a bunch of perl scripts that pass poorly sanitised input to system()
09:55 mjg59_; You do not get to talk about security
09:55 highest_cubist_thrills; so mjg could definitely say "THIS PRIV ESC vulnerability is a big deal" and maybe it isnt
09:55 highest_cubist_thrills; but as a whole category? not a big deal? unless youre running a server?
09:55 schestowitz[TR]; no
09:55 highest_cubist_thrills; is a very silly person, yes
09:55 schestowitz[TR]; that's a distortion of what happens
09:55 schestowitz[TR]; perl only makes static pages
09:55 schestowitz[TR]; the visitor has no access to perl
09:55 mjg59_; Including passing in URLs that come from elsewhere
09:55 schestowitz[TR]; no
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; again
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; you looked at source code
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; You do not get to talk about security <- honestly its more fun if he does
09:56 schestowitz[TR]; and cannot even understand it
09:56 mjg59_; And why is the IRC bot writing logs to /root
09:56 mjg59_; Is it running as root
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; /me is just going to GUESS that mjg understood roys perl code
09:56 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> Is it running as root <- might as well be, priv esc not a big deal
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; the irc bot, which one?
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; there are several
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; tux machines is very simple
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; you cannot run anything
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; except if you have an account
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; and keys on the system
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; to get in
09:57 schestowitz[TR]; you cannot even ssh with username/password
09:58 mjg59_; Uh-huh
09:58 schestowitz[TR]; perl is run to generate new static pages
09:58 mjg59_; TechrightsBot-tr is configured to write to /root/phirce-techhrights
09:58 highest_cubist_thrills; /me thinks everything on tr/tm is containerised by now
09:58 TR News; "Pointing happily to the far-right's recent electoral surge in Sweden" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/boebert-mtg-among-us-republicans-celebrating-fascist-victory-italy | Source: Common Dreams
09:58 TR Bot; Boebert, MTG Among US Republicans Celebrating Fascist Victory in Italy
09:59 mjg59_; (At least, based on the public git, I have no idea if that actually reflects reality)
09:59 TR News; "Germanys uncomfortable relationship with free speech continues" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/26/germanys-government-continues-to-lock-people-up-for-being-extremely-online/ | Source: Techdirt
09:59 TR Bot; Government Continues To Lock People Up For Being Extremely Online | Techdirt
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; TechrightsBot-tr is trmanco's code
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; from like 12 years ago
09:59 schestowitz[TR]; you see very old code there
10:00 mjg59_; So what's in git doesn't correspond to what's running?
10:00 TR News; VPN https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/26/vpn-providers-remove-servers-from-india-in-wake-of-new-data-collection-laws/ | Source: Techdirt
10:00 TR Bot; Providers Remove Servers From India In Wake Of New Data Collection Laws | Techdirt
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10:01 schestowitz[TR]; TR is being containerised
10:01 schestowitz[TR]; there are about 8 machines
10:01 mjg59_; Because that config was committed to git earlier this year
10:02 mjg59_; So it would seem odd for it to be 12 years out of date
10:02 mjg59_; It seems easy for you to say whether or not it's running as root
10:03 TR News; Orbanism https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/26/communication-between-orban-and-meloni-more-intensive-than-the-usual-diplomatic-formulas-pms-press-office | Source: Telex (Hungary)
10:03 TR Bot; Telex: Communication between Orbn and Meloni more intensive than the usual diplomatic formulas PM's press office
10:03 mjg59_; And, well, if privesc isn't an issue then it doesn't matter if it's running as root so there's no problem with you saying so?
10:04 TR News; "Texas HB 20 law on content moderation came out" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/26/conservatives-loved-expanding-the-1st-amendment-to-corporations-until-last-year-wonder-why/ | Source: Techdirt
10:04 TR Bot; Loved Expanding The 1st Amendment To Corporations Until Last Year. Wonder Why? | Techdirt
10:05 psydruid; brainwash therapy
10:05 TR News; Student Debt https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/bidens-student-debt-relief-cost-fraction-us-giveaways-megarich-and-pentagon | Source: Common Dreams
10:05 TR Bot; Biden's Student Debt Relief to Cost a Fraction of US Giveaways to the Megarich and Pentagon
10:06 schestowitz[TR]; crazy people compelling people who call them crazy to public call themsleves crazy
10:06 schestowitz[TR]; he did this to me also
10:06 schestowitz[TR]; but failed
10:06 schestowitz[TR]; I'd not play ball with passive-aggressive bullies
10:06 mjg59_; You understand that therapy isn't about dealing with mental illness, right
10:06 TR News; "Climate Change Is the Asteroid" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/climate-change-asteroid-say-critics-nasa-earth-defense-mission | Source: Common Dreams
10:06 TR Bot; 'Climate Change Is the Asteroid,' Say Critics of NASA Earth Defense Mission
10:06 DaemonFC; That's pretty much what it's about.
10:07 mjg59_; It's about gaining a better understanding of the underlying causes of the way you feel about things
10:07 DaemonFC; Who cares.
10:07 TR News; NASA is not only being PRIVATISED; it also increasingly acts like LITTLE ELSE but a MILITARY arm like the NSA.
10:07 mjg59_; Therapists can't prescribe drugs
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10:07 DaemonFC; Paying some bullshitter to sit there and talk to me?
10:07 highest_cubist_thrills; Our IRC logs dont typically provide sufficient code transparency, only conversational transparency.Over the past year weve become louder about the need to delete GitHub and weve developed quite a bit of software for the site over the past 8 months or so.
10:07 schestowitz[TR]; sometimes statres blackmail you into it
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; "you can [accept] publishment or [seek help]"
10:08 highest_cubist_thrills; In order to keep it organised complete with version control were going to set up our own, local, self-hosted Git. This will hopefully increase transparency, too.
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; the help is not always helpful
10:08 mjg59_; Is the IRC bot running as root?
10:08 schestowitz[TR]; but some groups profit from it
10:08 highest_cubist_thrills; http://techrights.org/2019/12/26/techrights-git-server/
10:08 TR Bot; Coming Soon: Techrights Git Server | Techrights
10:08 mjg59_; Simple question
10:08 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> from like 12 years ago
10:08 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> you see very old code there
10:08 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure im reading way too much into this
10:09 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: To be fair, the code *is* from about 12 years ago, it hasn't been meaningfully updated since
10:09 DaemonFC; The only reason to see a therapist is to comply with a court order. schestowitz[TR] Yes, the divorce court ordered me to attend therapy because my parents were getting divorced. I told the people running the program I was going to stick earplug in my ears and read a book, but that I was physically present under duress.
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; there are two git repos
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; tuxmachines repo
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; and TR
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; and a lot of code was volleyed there
10:09 schestowitz[TR]; old code
10:09 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: You should see how Roy runs sed
10:09 DaemonFC; I said it was fucking stupid that I had to be punished because my parents were getting a divorce and the judge ordered me to be there, and I was physically present there.
10:09 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: I accept that it's old code, but is it current code?
10:09 highest_cubist_thrills; one line example?
10:09 TR News; "With the frequency and scale of these maneuvers increasing by the week, the likelihood of a mishap is increasing exponentially." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/peace-group-urges-us-and-china-halt-blatantly-provocative-military-maneuvers | Source: Common Dreams
10:09 TR Bot; Peace Group Urges US and China to Halt 'Blatantly Provocative' Military Maneuvers
10:10 DaemonFC; mjg59_, I would never go to a therapist, not in a million years.
10:10 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Lots of sed s/foo/bar/ <file1 >file2; sed s/baz/bang/ <file2 >file1; (repeat for 20 lines of file1/file2 swapping)
10:10 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Your loss
10:10 DaemonFC; There's no point in it. They don't fix anything. I've managed to fix things without paying someone who has no stake in the outcome,.
10:10 TR News; "With 74% of eligible voters turning out to cast ballots, more than two-thirds of votesnearly four million peoplewere in favor of the Family Code." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/unprecedented-democratic-exercise-cubans-approve-inclusive-family-code | Source: Common Dreams
10:10 TR Bot; In 'Unprecedented Democratic Exercise,' Cubans Approve Inclusive Family Code
10:10 highest_cubist_thrills; /me has done some horrible, horrible things-- just ask xrevan86
10:10 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: Your loss
10:11 DaemonFC; Not really. Think of all the money people waste paying these clowns.
10:11 DaemonFC; To you, it's probably not a big problem.
10:11 highest_cubist_thrills; repeat for 20 lines of file1/file2 <- what do you do instead, chain them together?
10:11 highest_cubist_thrills; /me used to know how to do that, but never put it into practice
10:11 DaemonFC; if you can afford letters to harass Roy's wife, you can pay a therapist, I'm sure.
10:11 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: sed -e s/foo/bar/ -e s/baz/bang/ -e (repeat as necessary)
10:11 highest_cubist_thrills; swhat i figured
10:12 mjg59_; DaemonFC: When did I harass Roy's wife?
10:12 DaemonFC; With the lawyer.
10:12 DaemonFC; Over your damaged ego.
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; rianne has just called himk "idiot"
10:12 highest_cubist_thrills; /me never uses < file1 > file2 but couldnt tell you why its bad
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; when I told her mjg59_ is sio bored that
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; 1) he now attends ALL the major IRC channels
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; 2/478
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; and
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; 2) reads all the code in git
10:12 schestowitz[TR]; you'd think he could get salaried in some companies to do the same
10:12 highest_cubist_thrills; based on everything i know about writing television / movies
10:13 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Oh, it means for every operation you're writing stuff out to disk for no good reason
10:13 highest_cubist_thrills; which isnt so much
10:13 mjg59_; DaemonFC: I harassed Roy's wife by sending Roy a letter?
10:13 TR News; Nuclear Weapons https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/eliminating-nuclear-weapons-not-only-possible-it-necessary-un-chief | Source: Common Dreams
10:13 TR Bot; Eliminating Nuclear Weapons 'Is Not Only Possible, It Is Necessary': UN Chief
10:13 DaemonFC; Maybe she opened it.
10:13 highest_cubist_thrills; roy and mjg need to fuck already
10:13 MinceR; more accurately, you're writing stuff to disk cache
10:13 highest_cubist_thrills; the tension is RIDICULOUS
10:13 MinceR; it will get written to disk eventually
10:14 TR News; "Anti-Women Politics" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/26/giorgia-melonis-anti-women-politics-and-future-italy | Source: Common Dreams
↺ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/26/giorgia-melonis-anti-women-politics-and-future-italy
10:14 TR Bot; Opinion | Giorgia Meloni's Anti-Women Politics and the Future of Italy | Claudia Torrisi
10:14 MinceR; but i suspect that if updates overwrite each other, not all of them are going to get written, just the newest state every now and then
10:14 mjg59_; MinceR: It's certainly extra syscalls, whether it hits disk is going to depend on how loaded the system is
10:14 DaemonFC; The best that mjg59_ can do is an open relationship with what he's got now, apparently.
10:14 highest_cubist_thrills; i have fun figuring out who is more to blame for this
10:14 MinceR; i suspect it's not a performance critical script
10:14 highest_cubist_thrills; its an angels dancing on the head of a pin question
10:14 mjg59_; Yeah it's frankly not a big deal
10:15 mjg59_; It's just not a /good/ way of writing things
10:15 mjg59_; And roy keeps talking about how I shouldn't talk about things because I'm just a biologist
10:15 highest_cubist_thrills; scripts would be better if bash had never been written
10:15 mjg59_; So I'll gladly point out examples of his code being stuff I wouldn't allow through review
10:16 highest_cubist_thrills; roy keeps talking about how I shouldn't talk about things because I'm just a biologist <- he takes a lot of shortcuts when he makes arguments about you
10:16 mjg59_; Probably a bunch of people who'd enjoy reading slash fiction about us
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; that's false
10:17 highest_cubist_thrills; most people dont like you so he optimises his arguments for quantity
10:17 MinceR; lol
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; I didn't bring that up
10:17 mjg59_; Some sort of followup to "Savaged by Systemd"
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; until maybe 8 years latger
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; like, earlier this year
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; I alwaysa focused on the issue
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; not the character
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; re urfi secure boot
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; check for yourself
10:17 highest_cubist_thrills; Savaged by Systemd <- it only poked me in a way that made me uncomfortable, but thats not really the stuff of slashfic
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI
10:17 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Hey, all I'm saying is that I write better bash than you
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; the one doing a lot of ad hom now is daemonfc
10:17 schestowitz[TR]; but he reciprocates
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; because mjg59_ constantly calls him stuff
10:18 mjg59_; No big deal
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; to distract from solid technical arguments
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; legal, thechnical, ethical
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: you are assessing not code
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; but hacks
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; scripts only ONE person uses
10:18 highest_cubist_thrills; to distract from solid technical arguments <- like priv esc isnt a big deal
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; nobody else has use for these
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; and they take less than 1000ms to run
10:18 mjg59_; irc-log-techrights-060122.txt:[11:06]schestowitz-TRmaybe they even hired some failed biologist
10:18 schestowitz[TR]; so little reason to optimise
10:18 mjg59_; irc-log-techrights-090621.txt:[17:18]schestowitzJust get a failing biologist
10:19 mjg59_; irc-log-techrights-131021.txt:[15:59]schestowitz-TRhe's a failed biologist
10:19 mjg59_; irc-log-techrights-251021.txt:[19:09]schestowitz-TR2that failed biologist is a waste of time
10:19 mjg59_; irc-log-techrights-251221.txt:[19:18]schestowitz-TR2for failed biologists
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; 2021
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; like I said
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; you opened that up
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; when going ad hom
10:19 DaemonFC; A biologist married to a man with plastic surgery.
10:19 mjg59_; 10:17 < schestowitz[TR]> like, earlier this year
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; with all that trans politics
10:19 DaemonFC; Someday.
10:19 DaemonFC; If COVID ends, you know.
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; you are as trans as I am !
10:19 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Tg2rrMwfgB0
10:19 mjg59_; What year is this?
10:19 TR Bot; Just a Gigolo / I Ain't Got Nobody - Invidious
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: own it
10:19 schestowitz[TR]; you are as trans as I am !
10:20 mjg59_; I have no idea how trans you are
10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
10:20 mjg59_; I've never claimed to be trans
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; you claim to speak for them
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; you don';t
10:20 DaemonFC; How to make a woman.
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; britney does
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; more than you do
10:20 DaemonFC; Step 1. Take man.
10:20 MinceR; a biologist who peddles MICROS~1 snake oil :>
10:20 DaemonFC; Step 2. Cut man's dick off.
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; and britney is cool with me
10:20 DaemonFC; WOMAN
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; many people here are trans
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; and they don't aggress
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; I'm not their tasrget
10:20 schestowitz[TR]; you are giving them a bad name
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; by constanlyty attacking the wrong peoiple
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; by association
10:21 mjg59_; I'm giving trans people a bad name by pointing out that Ryan is transphobic?
10:21 schestowitz[TR]; you are like graham norton now
10:21 highest_cubist_thrills; /me can think of one trans person here who has wondered aloud why roy focuses on mjg so much, leading to mjg focusong on roy so much
10:21 DaemonFC; The reason trans people have very little acceptance, I think, is because they want a surgical operation that makes other people go "OOOF" and cup their penis protectively just thinking about it.
10:21 highest_cubist_thrills; but im totally paraphrasing and sometimes important details get slightly mixed up that way
10:21 highest_cubist_thrills; and thats not a goal here
10:22 highest_cubist_thrills; i think accuracy is underrated
10:22 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/republicans-christian-nation/
10:22 TR Bot; Republicans Are Ready to Declare the United States a Christian Nation | The Nation
10:22 schestowitz[TR]; msorry, wrong link
10:22 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/graham-nortons-problem-isnt-jk-rowling-but-women-l3dsdx9l7
10:22 TR Bot; Graham Nortons problem isnt JK Rowling, but women | Comment | The Sunday Times
10:22 schestowitz[TR]; to make a perfect ociety
10:22 highest_cubist_thrills; i can absolutely think of reasons to focus on mjg for things that matter
10:22 schestowitz[TR]; we need to cancel all straight men
10:22 DaemonFC; I'm probably going to vote for Republicans mostly when my ballot eventually does get here.
10:22 schestowitz[TR]; because they don't ban people like DaemonFC
10:23 schestowitz[TR]; then we cancel all women
10:23 DaemonFC; Pritzker has been worse.
10:23 highest_cubist_thrills; but to make it a running gag and not expect a riposte is delusional
10:23 schestowitz[TR]; and then it's a paradise
10:23 schestowitz[TR]; for some peooople who take 6-figure salaries from Gulag
10:23 schestowitz[TR]; which bombs TENTS
10:23 techuser; then people no longer reproduce
10:23 *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
10:23 schestowitz[TR]; tents wortth $1,000
10:23 techuser; they disappear
10:23 techuser; finally
10:23 schestowitz[TR]; using $100,000 missiles
10:23 schestowitz[TR]; in $10,000,000 drones
10:23 MinceR; what techuser said
10:23 schestowitz[TR]; using "HEY HI"
10:23 mjg59_; Roy, your company took money from someone who bought illegal weapons to use against his own citizens
10:23 MinceR; though i think it will happen sooner
10:23 mjg59_; We exist in capitalism
10:24 mjg59_; It's hard to avoid being associated with bad things
10:24 highest_cubist_thrills; tents wortth $1,000 using $100,000 missiles <- they are definitely overdoing their defences
10:24 mjg59_; I spend a while trying to prevent my employer from doing bad things, realised I wasn't going to succeed, and left
10:25 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: yyou are referring to the b ritish gov.
10:25 MinceR; that's an interesting interpretation of events
10:25 schestowitz[TR]; or more specifically,. london town hall(GLA)
10:25 schestowitz[TR]; kahn is in charge
10:25 *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)
10:25 mjg59_; He is now, yes
10:25 schestowitz[TR]; and "boris", whom I always condemned, was there just for a few years
10:25 mjg59_; But your company took their money while Johnson was in charge
10:25 schestowitz[TR]; you worked gfor Gulag
10:25 schestowitz[TR]; which worked with ARMY
10:25 highest_cubist_thrills; who in london town hall bought illegal weapons to use against london citizens?
10:25 schestowitz[TR]; and helps MURDER people
10:25 mjg59_; While he was spending money on illegal weapons
10:25 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54
10:25 TR Bot; https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54
10:26 TR Bot; invidious.namazso.eu | KHAAAAAAN! - Invidious
10:26 schestowitz[TR]; and does global espionage
10:26 schestowitz[TR]; without peeople's consent
10:26 schestowitz[TR]; what you rfer to as a "wepon"
10:26 schestowitz[TR]; ois a waaater cannon
10:26 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/19/boris-johnson-unused-water-cannon-sold-for-scrap-at-300000-loss
10:26 TR Bot; Boris Johnson's unused water cannon sold for scrap at 300,000 loss | London | The Guardian
10:26 schestowitz[TR]; so your standards are,
10:26 schestowitz[TR]; you cannot work for a large city
10:26 schestowitz[TR]; 10 million people in daytime
10:26 schestowitz[TR]; if it buys a water cannon
10:26 schestowitz[TR]; where do you live?
10:26 schestowitz[TR]; what does youyr poolice force have?
10:26 schestowitz[TR]; armoured vehicles?
10:27 highest_cubist_thrills; one mans illegal weapon is another mans firehose
10:27 schestowitz[TR]; machine guns?
10:27 mjg59_; You standards are that you cannot work for a large company if it engages in some contracts for evil branches of the government
10:27 highest_cubist_thrills; that line should be a slashfic.
10:27 mjg59_; And I understand that position!
10:27 highest_cubist_thrills; ^ in
10:27 mjg59_; But you also shouldn't work for a small company if it engages in some contracts for evil branches of the government
10:28 mjg59_; And the GLA under Boris was evil
10:28 mjg59_; I do regret not quitting Google earlier
10:28 highest_cubist_thrills; evil branches of the government <- i still think its a stretch to call town hall an "evil branch of the government"
10:28 mjg59_; And I'm not going to defend that
10:28 MinceR; Global Liberation Army?
10:28 mjg59_; Greater London Authority
10:28 MinceR; :)
10:28 highest_cubist_thrills; just call it evil town hall, because ive known a few of those.
10:29 highest_cubist_thrills; otoh
10:29 highest_cubist_thrills; calling london a "town" is a stretch as well
10:29 mjg59_; All I'm saying is that Roy has also obtained money as a result of working for evil people
10:29 highest_cubist_thrills; youre both playing a similar game from opposite sides here
10:29 mjg59_; But defends that, rather than questioning it
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; london buys one water cannon
10:30 mjg59_; Google signs one ICE contract
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; london now on blacklist of ririshman who mstudied in oxbridge
10:30 MinceR; i wonder what job doesn't involve working for evil people
10:30 mjg59_; Yeah, that's the problem
10:30 MinceR; is there an employer with no management?
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; btw, london SOLD that water cannon
10:30 highest_cubist_thrills; mjg59_ it probably means nothing of significance
10:30 schestowitz[TR]; it got rid of it
10:31 highest_cubist_thrills; but if i had to guess
10:31 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: After you'd taken the money
10:31 highest_cubist_thrills; google is still more evil than london
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; london only ever made money from one water cannon
10:31 highest_cubist_thrills; but... then again, its just a guess
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; not canary wharf etc.
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; maybe you'll soon accuse me of working fgor banksters
10:31 schestowitz[TR]; because... LONDON!
10:31 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Oh sure, I'm just interested in where the line is
10:31 highest_cubist_thrills; I'm just interested in where the line is <- then youre looking for something that isnt there
10:32 mjg59_; How evil does something have to be before taking their money is condemned
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; you helped Microisoft attack us
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; with a little code of yours
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; despite warnings
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; inc. from Torvalds
10:32 highest_cubist_thrills; roys arguments are like the part of the colouring book page where the line is left open
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; and you condemn me for running inefficient code only one person uses and has use for
10:32 highest_cubist_thrills; and you just have to figure out where you want to stop colouring
10:32 mjg59_; I don't condemn you for doing that
10:32 highest_cubist_thrills; or use some kind of fade
10:32 mjg59_; I just say that your publicly available code does not show a good understanding of the tools
10:32 schestowitz[TR]; and one wonders why you spend so much time studying all our code
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; are you sure you work for eurora?
10:33 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; aurora whetever
10:33 highest_cubist_thrills; or you could be really anal retentive about it and trim the pages so the lines close
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10:33 schestowitz[TR]; did they put you on garden lave or something?
10:33 schestowitz[TR]; *garden leave
10:33 mjg59_; Because you keep insinuating that I'm less qualified to discuss technical issues than you are
10:33 mjg59_; And yet all your publicly available code is just fucking awful
10:33 TR News; "Huge Victory" .... boycott starbucks https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/huge-victory-starbucks-agrees-begin-contract-talks-230-union-stores | Source: Common Dreams
10:33 TR Bot; 'Huge Victory': Starbucks Agrees to Begin Contract Talks With 230+ Union Stores
10:33 highest_cubist_thrills; let me bring you up to speed... my name is wayne campbell. i live in aurora illinois-- which is a suburb of chicago
10:34 mjg59_; Maybe you write some great code somewhere! It's not in your public git repos
10:34 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: so that's what it's about
10:34 schestowitz[TR]; you study code
10:34 schestowitz[TR]; that one person write for oneself
10:34 schestowitz[TR]; dirty shell hacks
10:34 highest_cubist_thrills; once upon a time there were two phds talking about tech on the internet
10:34 schestowitz[TR]; maybe you want to also run 'history(1)'
10:34 schestowitz[TR]; and find inefficiencies in my command workflow
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; and then make fun
10:35 highest_cubist_thrills; one of them used to work for netscape, and the other used to work for google
10:35 mjg59_; The bit where you filter out Ryan's traffic from your IRC monitoring is a nice touch
10:35 MinceR; "Yes, London. You know, fish, chips, cup o tea, bad food, worse weather, Mary-fucking-Poppins. London!"
10:35 highest_cubist_thrills; one was happily married, and the other had a partner (not a spouse)
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; i see daemonfc
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; but not on every screen
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; I try to reduce unwanted "highlights"
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; so that I don't get popups
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; he highlights me a lot
10:35 highest_cubist_thrills; Mary-fucking-Poppins <- hopefully if she fucked anyone they could do a better accent
10:35 schestowitz[TR]; sometimes whilst I record videos
10:36 highest_cubist_thrills; hmm, mary poppins slashfic-- no, better leave it
10:36 highest_cubist_thrills; you can fuck with mickey but is it worth it
10:36 MinceR; lol
10:36 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: You haven't seen Snatch?
10:36 highest_cubist_thrills; i loved snatch-- im not sure i saw the whole thing
10:36 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: london... know for possessing a water cannon for a couple of years. sold it away.
10:36 mjg59_; It's a quote from that
10:37 highest_cubist_thrills; also golden brown is an amazing song, even though i cant really endorse what it refers to
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; maybe they wanted a water cannnon to shoot away at annoying trolls
10:37 highest_cubist_thrills; It's a quote from that <- fair enough
10:37 highest_cubist_thrills; its been 18 years since i saw it though
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; who demand that authors be burned at the stake
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; for insisting on things
10:37 schestowitz[TR]; rushdie might have something to say
10:37 mjg59_; Ah ok now we're onto justifying the purchase of illegal weapons because maybe they could be used in ways Roy finds funny
10:37 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe they wanted a water cannnon to shoot away at annoying trolls who demand that authors be burned at the stake
10:37 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe they wanted a water cannon to put put the stake
10:38 schestowitz[TR]; shah.google.com
10:38 highest_cubist_thrills; Ah ok now we're onto justifying <- to be fair he was only speculating
10:38 highest_cubist_thrills; roy do you think london should buy a water cannon?
10:38 MinceR; maybe a friend owns a company that sells water cannons
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: historically europe used these agaionst football hoopligans
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; to break out fights and such
10:39 mjg59_; I do want to be clear in that I think it's 100% legitimate to criticise me for a company that has worked for some terrible people, but people who do that should also accept criticism of the companies they've worked for
10:39 highest_cubist_thrills; /me is interested in the law that makes water cannons illegal, but this is only a curiosity
10:39 schestowitz[TR]; in the US they deploy cops with rifles and gases
10:40 highest_cubist_thrills; but people who do that should also accept criticism of the companies they've worked for <- it doesnt work that way
10:40 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean it probably should, but it doesnt
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; the US used water cannons against environmentalist
10:40 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/15/theresa-may-rejects-water-cannon-boris-johnson
10:40 TR Bot; Theresa May rejects Boris Johnsons request to use water cannon | London | The Guardian
10:40 schestowitz[TR]; in SUB-ZERO temperatures
10:40 highest_cubist_thrills; the usa is probably not a good role model here
10:41 schestowitz[TR]; to protect OIL companies
10:41 highest_cubist_thrills; and by probably i mean definitely
10:41 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: That's a legitimate criticism of US police forces, who I have not worked for
10:41 highest_cubist_thrills; if oil companies become an endangered species, that could get interesting (rhetorically speaking)
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; Gulag makes the lion's share of money using...
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; spying
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; malware
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; back doors
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; etc.
10:42 highest_cubist_thrills; all corporations are bastards
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; London's MUNICIPALITY raises money
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; from taxes
10:42 MinceR; some of them are much bigger bastards though
10:42 schestowitz[TR]; it LOST money from that one water cannon
10:42 mjg59_; And, while spending money on your employer, also spend money on illegal weapons
10:43 schestowitz[TR]; I wonder what % of the GLA budget was that one water cannon
10:43 schestowitz[TR]; and how that benefited me
10:43 mjg59_; Three water cannons
10:43 highest_cubist_thrills; /me does think referring to "one water cannon" (really just the one?) as "illegal weapons" is a little disingenuous
10:44 schestowitz[TR]; so maybe less than a million sterling
10:44 highest_cubist_thrills; its a trick based on whats literally true vs what you know people will think when you say it
10:44 schestowitz[TR]; and GLA has annual budget of how much?
10:44 schestowitz[TR]; how much did it spend on that one funeral|?
10:44 mjg59_; How much money do you think I personally obtained as a result of Google working for ICE?
10:44 highest_cubist_thrills; though i still dont know how water cannons are illegal
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: worse
10:45 schestowitz[TR]; look at Google's other activities
10:45 highest_cubist_thrills; How much money do you think I personally obtained as a result of Google working for ICE <- def beside the point unless roy just made the same argument
10:45 highest_cubist_thrills; which he probably did, but i didnt notice
10:45 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: UK police forces don't have the legal right to use any kind of weapons against the population without approval
10:45 highest_cubist_thrills; without approval <- from whom?
10:45 highest_cubist_thrills; thats use vs purchase
10:45 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: The government
10:46 highest_cubist_thrills; ok this sounds very silly now.
10:46 mjg59_; It's not illegal for the police to own them, merely to use them
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; belgioum uses these
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; boycott belgium?
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; used those on Brits, too
10:46 highest_cubist_thrills; It's not illegal for the police to own them, merely to use them <- then to quote jean-luc picard...
10:46 highest_cubist_thrills; why the fuck are you calling them "illegal weapons" then?
10:46 schestowitz[TR]; agonst assholes lookign for a fight over FOOTBALL
10:46 mjg59_; Did you work for a company that was paid money by a local government that also bought illegal weapons?
10:47 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Using them would have been illegal
10:47 highest_cubist_thrills; did they use them?
10:47 TR News; Fascists https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/26/fascists-set-to-take-power-in-italy-for-first-time-since-mussolini/ | Source: Scheerpost
10:47 TR Bot; Set to Take Power in Italy for First Time Since Mussolini scheerpost.com
10:47 TR News; Fascists https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/26/we-have-seen-movie-fascists-have-arrived | Source: Common Dreams
10:47 TR Bot; Opinion | We Have Seen This Movie Before: The Fascists Have Arrived | Chris Hedges
10:47 MinceR; that's an interesting interpretation of "illegal weapons"
10:47 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: No, they were told it would be illegal to do so
10:47 highest_cubist_thrills; No, they were told it would be illegal to do so <- sounds perfectly legal to me.
10:48 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ would walk up to a hooligan
10:48 highest_cubist_thrills; they werent illegal to own. they bought them. they were told theyre not legal to use. they didnt use them.
10:48 schestowitz[TR]; "here, have a hug... don't fight'
10:48 schestowitz[TR]; "it's just a game, matey"
10:48 highest_cubist_thrills; at what point did they actually become illegal weapons?
10:48 highest_cubist_thrills; i know: when mjg said-- wait no, that didnt actually make them illegal weapons.
10:48 schestowitz[TR]; whiole s dozen other mates of that hoooligans come over with a bar stool
10:49 mjg59_; If they'd been used as weapons they'd have been illegal
10:49 highest_cubist_thrills; they bought POTENTIALLY ILLEGAL WEAPONS
10:49 MinceR; what isn't potentially illegal?
10:49 highest_cubist_thrills; how dare your company take money from them, roy.
10:49 *frog (~frog@txt39mzjsjjpa.irc) has joined #techrights
10:49 highest_cubist_thrills; technically that also makes them potentially legal
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; from london town hall
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; rianne also
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; how dare she?
10:49 schestowitz[TR]; creep!
10:49 mjg59_; I don't think Roy's bad for working for this company!
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; a drupal site ppowers those cannon, obviously
10:50 mjg59_; I just want him to establish a clearer demarcation about the threshold for being tainted by the actions of your employer
10:50 highest_cubist_thrills; I don't think Roy's bad for working for this company! <- no but your comparison does really suck hard though
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; *cannons
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; that were not even used
10:50 MinceR; nice
10:50 *MinceR clicks FIRE on the web interface
10:50 MinceR; (or is it WATER?)
10:50 highest_cubist_thrills; /me hopes thats not illegal fire
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; meaanwhile gulag helps the pentagon select targets for bombingg
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; war crimes basically
10:50 highest_cubist_thrills; /me bought illegal matches the other day
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; not water damage
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; homes blown off
10:50 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean i dont have any illegal intentions with them
10:50 schestowitz[TR]; with Gulag "HEY HI"
10:51 highest_cubist_thrills; but some people use them illegally
10:51 mjg59_; "water damage" in this case including potentially life altering injuries
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; with wives and kids in them
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; babies...
10:51 highest_cubist_thrills; that makes them illegal matches
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; poor babies
10:51 highest_cubist_thrills; i should really turn them in
10:51 MinceR; life-changing events!
10:51 schestowitz[TR]; drpizza did not get to them
10:51 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe theres a reward or something
10:52 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: So, for example, UK law has a bunch of contextual stuff - it's legal to own a large sharp knife if it's for cooking, but illegal if it's to carry around with you to stab people
10:52 TR News; italy https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/26/introducing-giorgia-meloni-how-united-states-opened-door-fascisms-return-italy | Source: Common Dreams
10:52 TR Bot; Opinion | Introducing Giorgia Meloni: How the United States Opened the Door for Fascism's Return to Italy | Michael Leonardi
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; the knives are blunt
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; usually
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; the tip esp.
10:52 highest_cubist_thrills; /me hopes laws are contextual
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; "just the tip"
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; as for cooking you rarely need strong grip, shrap tip, adn wide blade
10:52 MinceR; "u got a loicence for that butter knoife, m8?"
10:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i just think calling them "illegal weapons" is a bit silly
10:52 schestowitz[TR]; so all the kitchen knives are not very good at killing
10:53 highest_cubist_thrills; when nothing illegal has been done
10:53 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: The water cannon were expressly purchased to use against the civilian population of London, not just to hose down random things or to put out fires. If they were used for the purpose they were purchased for, that would have been illegal.
10:53 schestowitz[TR]; commando knives are
10:53 schestowitz[TR]; which is why many stabbings here are NOT fatal
10:53 MinceR; cutting tomatoes is much easier with a knife that has a point
10:53 highest_cubist_thrills; is it illegal to purchase them with such intent?
10:53 schestowitz[TR]; someone was stabbed just meters away from our home
10:53 schestowitz[TR]; and alsoa friend's home
10:53 schestowitz[TR]; both survived
10:53 highest_cubist_thrills; or only to use them that way?
10:53 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Oh, that's why I'm framing it as "purchase of illegal weapons", not "illegal purchase of weapons"
10:54 highest_cubist_thrills; for gods sake
10:54 MinceR; still deceptive
10:54 mjg59_; Sorry, I intended to be clear about the distinction there, but apparently I failed
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: yes, but they tend to be short, thin, and not good at penetrating rib cages
10:54 mjg59_; That's on me
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; esp. on a 'moving target'
10:54 highest_cubist_thrills; woudlnt be the first time
10:54 mjg59_; Eh legit criticism
10:54 schestowitz[TR]; katana is another matter
10:54 mjg59_; I'll avoid that framing in future
10:55 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana
10:55 TR Bot; Katana - Wikipedia
10:55 schestowitz[TR]; the shraper knives here are behind protected areas
10:55 *MinceR fires it from a coilgun
10:55 schestowitz[TR]; you need to go through some process to buy t hemn
10:55 highest_cubist_thrills; ill hand you, as someone who knows
10:56 highest_cubist_thrills; that roys accusations are stilted, may contain a slew of double standards, and are not always based on facts
10:56 highest_cubist_thrills; are stilted <- can be, sometimes are
10:56 schestowitz[TR]; hey, i always accepted your criticism
10:57 schestowitz[TR]; I am not thin skinned
10:57 schestowitz[TR]; I argue back
10:57 TR News; Mexico https://www.thenation.com/article/world/mexico-murdered-journalists-network/ | Source: The Nation
10:57 TR Bot; Preserving the Memory of Murdered Journalists in Mexico | The Nation
10:57 highest_cubist_thrills; accepted != dodged, fabricated, made ridiculous (often untrue) excuses
10:57 highest_cubist_thrills; slightly different
10:58 schestowitz[TR]; no, that's a form of arguing
10:58 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah its a form of it
10:58 schestowitz[TR]; did not censor
10:58 schestowitz[TR]; you say fabricated
10:58 schestowitz[TR]; I say maybe misinterpreted
10:58 highest_cubist_thrills; fabricated = made up
10:58 schestowitz[TR]; like the :"illegal weeapoons" canard above
10:58 highest_cubist_thrills; you say potato
10:59 schestowitz[TR]; some people use indirection
10:59 schestowitz[TR]; to attribute things to people
10:59 schestowitz[TR]; like insinuating I support rape
10:59 schestowitz[TR]; when what it boils down to is
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.41 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 116.26
10:59 highest_cubist_thrills; mjg: does roy support rape?
10:59 schestowitz[TR]; I published someone else's artcles about or from someone who has certain views outside that area
10:59 mjg59_; I don't think so
10:59 schestowitz[TR]; i hardly even had sex before getting married
11:00 schestowitz[TR]; so it's a stretch to accuse me of any sex crimes
11:00 schestowitz[TR]; was always busy with computers
11:00 schestowitz[TR]; sort of like techuser
11:00 mjg59_; He's published articles by someone who claimed that someone who's sexually assaulted or raped several people I know was falsely accused
11:01 highest_cubist_thrills; /me is sure this is about pocock
11:01 TR News; "They say dozens of women, that day in Cairo, threw themselves from balconies in grief. They say millions attended his funeral." https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/safia-elhillo-girls-never-die/ | Source: The Nation
11:01 TR Bot; The Searching Poetry of Safia Elhillo | The Nation
11:01 mjg59_; So I don't think he thinks rape is good or justifiable, but I think he's fine publishing things that support rapists
11:01 schestowitz[TR]; see the logic, highest_cubist_thrills
11:01 schestowitz[TR]; anyone who nods to something pocock wrote is now rape something
11:01 highest_cubist_thrills; publishing things that support rapists <- have you talked to your therapist about overgeneralising?
11:02 highest_cubist_thrills; now ive been known to generalise the fuck out of some things...
11:02 highest_cubist_thrills; but ill either defend or backpedal (or clarify) if called on it
11:02 TR News; assange https://thedissenter.org/poll-most-us-uk-adults-nothing-files-assange-charged-with-publishing/ | Source: The Dissenter
11:02 TR Bot; Westerners Know Little About Files Assange Is In Jail For Publishing
11:02 highest_cubist_thrills; depending of course, on how accurate i believe the statement was
11:02 schestowitz[TR]; omg, roy linked to wikileaks something!!
11:02 schestowitz[TR]; war criminals are OK
11:03 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: He literally republished stuff Pocock wrote that claimed the accusations against Jake were false
11:03 schestowitz[TR]; people who link to article about wikileaks?" GROSS!!
11:03 highest_cubist_thrills; and wikileaks rapes people
11:03 highest_cubist_thrills; that claimed the accusations against Jake were false <- ok thats not an overgeneralisation then i suppose
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; he defames assange by calling him rapist
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; so hold your horses, man
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; the campaign aginst assange is multifaceted
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; they tried all possible angles
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; mostly made up angles
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; the CIA "hit list"
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; apropos, CIA also wanted to torture assange
11:04 schestowitz[TR]; and to assassinate him
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; eventually they ill;egally kidnapped him
11:05 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Do you believe Jake was falsely accused?
11:05 highest_cubist_thrills; but they were happy to let britain do it
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; the "sec" guy doesn't mind it
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; doesn't mind sex
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; doesn't mind the law
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; *sec
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; typo
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; though a funny typo
11:05 MinceR; secs
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; he's into sex, not sex
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; don't wanna "miss out"
11:05 schestowitz[TR]; *not sec
11:06 schestowitz[TR]; <mjg59_> schestowitz[TR]: Do you believe Jake was falsely accused?
11:06 schestowitz[TR]; did you stop beating up your wife?
11:07 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.throughlinegroup.com/2011/09/19/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife/
11:07 TR Bot; "When Did You Stop Beating Your Wife?" | Media Training Question
11:07 highest_cubist_thrills; in fairness to roy (and why do i bother, i dont know)
11:07 highest_cubist_thrills; he has said on more than one occasion
11:07 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: The fallacy in "Did you stop beating your wife" is that either response implies that you've been beating your wife
11:07 highest_cubist_thrills; that his editorial policy does not require him to agree with the authors he publishes or republishes
11:08 TR News; Face Recognition https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/ban-government-use-face-recognition-uk | Source: EFF
11:08 TR Bot; Ban Government Use of Face Recognition In the UK | Electronic Frontier Foundation
11:08 highest_cubist_thrills; ofc his editorial policy is partly improv
11:08 highest_cubist_thrills; but this is actually established in words
11:08 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: "Do you believe Jake was falsely accused" isn't the same fallacy
11:09 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Oh I agree that it's his editorial policy, and as a result I don't think it's wrong or misleading to say that he's willing to publish material that defends rapists
11:09 highest_cubist_thrills; *groucho* which fallacy was it then :>
11:09 TR News; "Having a 3D printer or a CNC machine available for projects is almost like magic." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/robotic-platform-is-open-sourced-and-user-friendly/ | Source: Hackaday
11:09 TR Bot; Platform Is Open Sourced And User Friendly | Hackaday
11:09 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: So, do you believe Jake was falsely accused?
11:10 schestowitz[TR]; ask pocock, not me
11:10 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> schestowitz[TR]: The fallacy in "Did you stop beating your wife" is that either response implies that you've been beating your wife <- he would have been better off quoting huac
11:10 highest_cubist_thrills; are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; erdos passed
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; denied access to us
11:11 schestowitz[TR]; stayed in orbanland iirc
11:11 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: I'm asking you because I'm interested in your opinion
11:11 mjg59_; I'm not asking what Pocock's opinion is (I know that already)
11:11 TR News; Price-Gouging https://truthout.org/audio/corporations-price-gouging-may-hurt-them-in-the-long-run-says-economist/ | Source: TruthOut
11:11 TR Bot; Corporations Price-Gouging May Hurt Them in the Long Run, Says Economist
11:12 TR News; Italy https://truthout.org/video/fascist-victory-in-italy-signals-rise-of-transnational-far-right-across-europe/ | Source: TruthOut
11:12 TR Bot; Fascist Victory in Italy Signals Rise of "Transnational" Far Right Across Europe
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; ask your partner, mjg59_
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; no need to ask me
11:12 mjg59_; Jake sexually assaulted them, so I know their position
11:12 schestowitz[TR]; if you want facts, ask luvcruft
11:12 mjg59_; I'm asking what you believe
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; how would I know? never met any of them
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; i spoke to assange sometimes
11:13 mjg59_; Based on what you've read, what do you think?
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; never spoke to others
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; I read what other people claim
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; i am not a judge
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; the judge looks for evvidence
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; there was not a trial
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; and I'm not "in the inside"
11:13 mjg59_; You have opinions about me without there being a trial
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; not the same
11:14 highest_cubist_thrills; he doesnt have an opinion on everything
11:14 highest_cubist_thrills; even if it might seem that way
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; you are making a serious allegation of crimes re assange
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; and there is nom trial
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; you keep calling his "rapist"
11:14 mjg59_; We're talking about Jake, not assange
11:14 highest_cubist_thrills; there are a lot of questions he simply pooh poohs
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; and you're like the FBI and Swedish police in that respect
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; scheming to do what GCHQ called a "fit up"
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; you call Assange a rap[ist too
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; why?
11:15 highest_cubist_thrills; condom
11:15 mjg59_; Because the description of his behaviour matches the definition of rape
11:15 mjg59_; But we're not talking about Assange, we're talking about Jake
11:16 TR News; Disinvestment https://truthout.org/articles/disinvestment-poses-as-great-a-threat-to-libraries-as-book-bans/ | Source: TruthOut
11:16 TR Bot; Disinvestment Poses as Great a Threat to Libraries as Book Bans
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; I never accused you of rape, MinceR
11:16 mjg59_; If Jake refused to stop having sex with someone when they asked him to, is he a rapist?
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; *mjg
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, bad autocomplete
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; I never accused you of rape, mjg59_
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; you are equating bad things
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; imagine me saying publicly you are a rapist
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; how would you feel?
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; you do this to assange, even this month
11:17 highest_cubist_thrills; I never accused you of rape, MinceR <- im not saying mincer is ace, but i cant imagine him wanting to be that close to another member of this species
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; lol
11:17 schestowitz[TR]; true
11:17 mjg59_; In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I would feel like you were making things up
11:17 highest_cubist_thrills; perhaps an alien?
11:17 mjg59_; But there's evidence that Jake raped people
11:18 mjg59_; So, again, if Jake refused to stop having sex with someone when they asked him to, is he a rapist?
11:18 schestowitz[TR]; you are talking about your partner
11:19 mjg59_; Nope
11:19 schestowitz[TR]; i don't have reasons to think this is false
11:19 highest_cubist_thrills; he says assault when referring to his partner
11:19 mjg59_; Ok. So you agree that in the event of Jake refusing to cease having sex with someone when they ask him to, he would be a rapist?
11:19 TR News; DeSantis https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/ron-desantis-excuse-kidnapping-migrants/ | Source: The Nation
11:19 TR Bot; Lets Talk About Ron DeSantiss "Reason" for Kidnapping Migrants | The Nation
11:19 mjg59_; That doesn't seem like a controversial thing to agree to
11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
11:20 highest_cubist_thrills; Jake refusing to cease having sex with someone <- i know this is a stupid question, particularly given the present company
11:20 highest_cubist_thrills; but how long did he have sex with the accuser after he was asked to cease
11:20 TR News; Italy https://truthout.org/articles/gop-representatives-boebert-and-greene-are-celebrating-fascisms-win-in-italy/ | Source: TruthOut
11:20 TR Bot; GOP Representatives Boebert and Greene Are Celebrating Fascism's Win in Italy
11:21 highest_cubist_thrills; im not looking for a stopwatch here
11:21 highest_cubist_thrills; just an idea
11:21 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: https://hypatia.ca/2016/06/07/he-said-they-said/
11:21 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: better not go there..
11:21 TR Bot; He said, they said hypatia dot ca
11:21 schestowitz[TR]; he's here in irc for this
11:21 schestowitz[TR]; to bring up all those sorts f questions
11:21 highest_cubist_thrills; better not go there.. <- indeed
11:21 schestowitz[TR]; and tghen declare someone here a rape apologist
11:21 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Search for "ignored my use of a safeword"
11:21 schestowitz[TR]; watch what happend to tso
11:21 highest_cubist_thrills; but i just did, and im sure the above link contains teh answer
11:21 highest_cubist_thrills; i do think safewords are important
11:22 schestowitz[TR]; ok, have a go at it, highest_cubist_thrills
11:22 schestowitz[TR]; if later he points to something you said, don't lay that on me, mjg59_
11:22 highest_cubist_thrills; /me has already commented on tso
11:22 *frog has quit (Quit: connection closed.)
11:22 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Have you read the contents of that link?
11:22 TR News; "Right to Secrecy" https://www.thenation.com/article/world/presidents-right-secrecy-trump-classified/ | Source: The Nation
11:22 TR Bot; Do Presidents Have a Right to Secrecy? | The Nation
11:23 highest_cubist_thrills; tso brought his opinions in. in this regard ive only asked a question
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; tso has many opinions
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; inc. positions on iraq invasion
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; on microsoft patents
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; on chinese identity
11:23 schestowitz[TR]; do you want to pick on a coder for all that OtherStuff(R)?
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; and if you do, WHY?
11:24 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Does being a coder excuse you from everything else?
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: you never held a controversial opinion
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; ok, let's have fun
11:24 schestowitz[TR]; brb
11:24 mjg59_; Should Reiser have been forgiven for murdering his wife is he promised to keep working on Linux?
11:25 highest_cubist_thrills; "Jacob ignored my use of a safeword when his sexual behavior turned into violent behavior that violated my limits. Paul and I both had to repeatedly tell Jacob to stop, and the experience was profoundly upsetting. I believe that one of the common elements of Jacobs abusive behavior is humiliating one or another member of a couple in front of the other"
11:26 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know if this answers my question, per se
11:26 mjg59_; "Repeatedly" suggests it's not just a few seconds of failing to notice
11:26 highest_cubist_thrills; i think its UNQUESTIONABLY WRONG to ignore a safeword
11:26 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1055600636056748034
11:26 TR Bot; You'll all be shocked to hear that the Newsy post on the Andy Rubin thing has been penalised
11:26 highest_cubist_thrills; the problem is i dont know what act is being referred to as sexual here
11:26 highest_cubist_thrills; its not specific
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; andy "give mew blow job, I'm your boss" rubbin
11:27 highest_cubist_thrills; i assume the act he did not cease (but i have to assume) was one that falls under the legal definition of rape...
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1571793991334764545
11:27 TR Bot; Me: Sorry can't make it to work tomorrow busy watching the Queen's funeral Also me: (opens another beer)
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; making fun about the death of an old lady?
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; opening a beer?
11:27 schestowitz[TR]; while a nation mourns?
11:27 highest_cubist_thrills; and if he didnt cease one of those acts when the safeword was given, id consider that rape
11:27 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Yeah, me criticising Hacker News for downvoting a story about Andy Rubin's behaviour is definitely the smoking gun you're looking for here
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; that's... disgusting
11:28 schestowitz[TR]; and borderline misogynist?
11:28 mjg59_; Dude, I'm Irish
11:28 mjg59_; The British crown was responsible for multiple instances of genocide in Ireland
11:29 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> making fun about the death of an old lady? <- is this a deliberate parody of mjgs penchant for overgeneralisation
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/318914525892050944
11:29 TR Bot; Plenty of documentation on Azure's filesystem-level security, nothing about containing guests.
11:29 highest_cubist_thrills; making fun of the death of a monarch isnt misogyny
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ >3 Azure
11:29 highest_cubist_thrills; "it can be"
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; <3
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; We can go on
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: is always right
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; only other people have flawed opinions
11:29 highest_cubist_thrills; hardly
11:29 mjg59_; You're quoting me literally criticising Azure
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: is the gold standard
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; the yardstick
11:29 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1449059681331122181
11:29 TR Bot; @Volvoman90 @shashly_sharon @ElleBeeG @dihamil @MapdraughterUK @jp_lfc81 @bbcquestiontime My birth certificate says I'm Irish
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; it also states a gender
11:30 mjg59_; Ok
11:30 mjg59_; So
11:30 mjg59_; Just to be clear
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1565911715170045952
11:30 TR Bot; Keep his fucking name out of your mouth this is not what he would want from you
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; professional language
11:30 highest_cubist_thrills; thatcher wasnt even a monarch but people played ding dong the witch is dead anyway
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1565911338299232257
11:30 TR Bot; You utter fucking piece of shit https://t.co/CNsfkFhGn6
11:30 TR Bot; This is incredibly sad news. Peter is one of the true defenders of the Internet. https://t.co/hbL5c6qe4a
11:30 schestowitz[TR]; polite
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; "HIRE THIS MAN" -CEO
11:31 mjg59_; Ok you're quoting me criticising the CEO of Cloudflare
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; whom you attacked ad hoim to force them to censor
11:31 mjg59_; For implying that a friend of mine would have supported Cloudflare
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; and you basically bully people like this
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; until they censor, and then help evil regiiime
11:31 mjg59_; Just after he died
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; they massacre women
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; all because you wanted ONEMorSite(R) to be deplatformed
11:31 schestowitz[TR]; you help dictators
11:32 mjg59_; Me: Cloudflare is bad
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; no
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; you called a person
11:32 mjg59_; Roy: Cloudflare is bad, but Matthew is bad for criticising Cloudflare
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; "utter fucking piece of shit "
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; in public
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; in front of many people
11:32 mjg59_; Yeah, and I stand by that
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; and later you TONE-POLICE our IRC network
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; see?
11:32 mjg59_; He's an utter fucking piece of shit
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; I too can play this game
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; you are a broken instrument
11:32 highest_cubist_thrills; mjg: who did you call an utter fucking piece of shit
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; a flawd little man
11:32 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Matthew Prince
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; and yopu lecture everyone
11:32 schestowitz[TR]; as if..
11:33 schestowitz[TR]; .https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/361354943287934976
11:33 TR Bot; This magazine also includes an operating system tutorial written by Bill Gates
11:33 mjg59_; Do you think Jake is a rapist
11:33 mjg59_; This is an easy question
11:33 mjg59_; And you keep avoiding it
11:33 schestowitz[TR]; change subject again?
11:33 mjg59_; Why do you keep avoiding it
11:33 highest_cubist_thrills; Matthew Prince cofounded the web infrastructure and security company Cloudflare in 2009 <- shoe probably fits
11:33 *frog (~frog@udrhdefbtjdvk.irc) has joined #techrights
11:33 schestowitz[TR]; 'security'
11:33 schestowitz[TR]; clownflare is a security breach
11:33 schestowitz[TR]; it even eats up the certs
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; so it's like a perfect interception tool for USA
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; as an IPOd
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; company
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; operating at a loss
11:34 mjg59_; Would it be untrue for me to say "Roy Schestowitz belives Jake Appelbaum is not a rapist"?
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; at mercy of shareholders and Trump regime
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; nice, eh?
11:34 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure the only reason roy is making a big deal about you saying prince is (what he most likely is) is that it was the context of censoring a website
11:34 mjg59_; I'm happy for you to say that's untrue
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1565947657066930178
11:34 TR Bot; @yunginnanet @eastdakota @Cloudflare Fuck off
11:34 mjg59_; And I'd believe you
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; nice
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; you sure you went to oxbridge
11:34 schestowitz[TR]; even I never call people that
11:35 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: The context was a dead friend of mine
11:35 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Would it be untrue for me to say "Roy Schestowitz belives Jake Appelbaum is not a rapist"?
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; he holds clownflare accountable for people in a forum
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; section of note here
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; so because some idiots shitpost in a froum
11:35 highest_cubist_thrills; he holds clownflare accountable for people in a forum <- that seems excessive
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; he now calls for clownflare boycott
11:35 schestowitz[TR]; seems like ther wrong reason
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; me: clownflare censors
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; and many other moral issues
11:36 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: I hold Cloudflare responsible for their choice of customers
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: THEY DO NOT BOYCOTT ENOUGH SITES!!
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; *(the ones _I_ dislike)
11:36 highest_cubist_thrills; /me would have supported the boycott in some other context
11:36 highest_cubist_thrills; hell, nearly any
11:36 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: I will hold them accountable for anything anyone ever said in 200 million subsites
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; until they censor the sites _I_ do not like
11:37 mjg59_; Uh
11:37 mjg59_; Roy
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> he holds clownflare accountable for people in a forum <- that seems excessive
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; worse
11:37 mjg59_; Hate to break this to you
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; he doesn't hold the webmaster accountable
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; but the CDN!!!
11:37 mjg59_; But you're largely known for leading a boycott
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; the fucking CDN LOL!!
11:37 highest_cubist_thrills; no that was shane
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; doim you know how many sites clownflare fronts for?
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; inc. some sick ones outside western culture?
11:37 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, taliban also
11:38 schestowitz[TR]; taliban OK
11:38 highest_cubist_thrills; roy thought "boycott novell" was "too negative" a name for a website formed around a suggestion to boycott novell
11:38 schestowitz[TR]; because the taliban doesn't come to the home of mjg59_
11:38 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Would it be untrue for me to say "Roy Schestowitz belives Jake Appelbaum is not a rapist"?
11:38 highest_cubist_thrills; he wanted to call it "dontletsbebeastlytonovelljustusemonoabitless.com"
11:38 schestowitz[TR]; subject change again
11:38 schestowitz[TR]; and they say _I_ am elizabot
11:38 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Just going to point out that if you don't answer this I can legitimately say "Roy Schestowitz refuses to say that Jake Appelbaum is not a rapist"
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1525743466033975296https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1525743466033975296
11:39 TR Bot; All of this shit is either sexism or racism or homophobia or transphobia and yet we keep letting people try to pret https://t.co/KsQphnaBwc
11:39 TR Bot; All of this shit is either sexism or racism or homophobia or transphobia and yet we keep letting people try to pret https://t.co/KsQphnaBwc
11:39 mjg59_; So it would probably be easier to answer the question
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1525743466033975296
11:39 TR Bot; All of this shit is either sexism or racism or homophobia or transphobia and yet we keep letting people try to pret https://t.co/KsQphnaBwc
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; ""
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; All of this shit is either sexism or racism or homophobia or transphobia and yet we keep letting people try to pretend that these are actually expressions of some legitimate political discourse or something and maybe we shouldn't do that
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; imposing "rigththing"
11:39 highest_cubist_thrills; Roy Schestowitz refuses to say that Jake Appelbaum is not a rapist <- reminds me of something lewis carroll said once
11:39 schestowitz[TR]; morality police
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; Iran has that also
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; in the news this past month
11:40 highest_cubist_thrills; iran would probably find a reason that it was ok for appelbaum to rape someone though
11:40 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Would you object to me saying "Roy Schestowitz believes Jake Appelbaum was falsely accused of rape"?
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: personal question
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; what do your mom and your dad think about trans people?
11:40 schestowitz[TR]; you don't have to answer
11:41 mjg59_; They've been accepting of my partner
11:41 schestowitz[TR]; even 10 years ago?
11:41 schestowitz[TR]; you did not answer my question btw
11:41 schestowitz[TR]; you changes my question
11:41 schestowitz[TR]; the question change is revealing
11:41 mjg59_; I'm answering to the degree I can
11:41 schestowitz[TR]; you rtwisted my question
11:41 highest_cubist_thrills; /me thinks the question was answered
11:41 schestowitz[TR]; your parents support it like ddaemonfc's parents support his gayness
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; they just about tolerate it
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; but not really
11:42 mjg59_; Whenever my parents have met trans people I know they have exhibited no hostility or refusal to accept them for who they are
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; they are polite to their son
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; they still love their son
11:42 mjg59_; I have not questioned them further on the topic
11:42 highest_cubist_thrills; /me has no idea where roy got his information on mjgs parents
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; I asked
11:42 highest_cubist_thrills; your parents support it like ddaemonfc's parents support his gayness <- why would you assume this
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; and he answered another qquestion
11:42 mjg59_; But they have made efforts to use appropriate pronouns and ensure that other members of the family do so as well
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; that I had not asked
11:43 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: when?
11:43 mjg59_; When what?
11:43 schestowitz[TR]; after you asked them to?
11:43 highest_cubist_thrills; and he answered another qquestion <- i think he answered your question reasonably
11:43 schestowitz[TR]; ok, moving on
11:43 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1486465591695196160
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11:43 schestowitz[TR]; you like shit, don't you :-)?
11:43 highest_cubist_thrills; imo if you think the answer was not satisfactory, you should specify what it lacks and not rely on innuendo
11:43 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: Would you object to me saying "Roy Schestowitz believes Jake Appelbaum was falsely accused of rape"?
11:44 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1431453762338492426
11:44 TR Bot; @snare Oh shit yeah fuck I took the week off work and entirely forgot about that
11:44 schestowitz[TR]; very professional
11:44 schestowitz[TR]; "HIRE THIS MAN"
11:44 schestowitz[TR]; he complies with the CoC
11:44 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: You're weirdly intent on not answering this question
11:44 highest_cubist_thrills; this wont ever end until they fuck already
11:44 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1393146770432040961
11:44 TR Bot; Still not over former GOP house member Peter King being: a) pro IRA b) pro Israel
11:45 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_: is your stance on israel coc-compliant?
11:45 highest_cubist_thrills; mel gibson "okay, this is defintely NOT what i meant by 'thunderdome'"
11:45 schestowitz[TR]; if not, someone might report you to the cocommittee
11:45 schestowitz[TR]; for antisemitism
11:45 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: The IRA are pro-PLA
11:45 schestowitz[TR]; like people did tso
11:45 highest_cubist_thrills; palestine is definitely not a safe space
11:45 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: I'm pointing out an obvious contradiction in political position
11:45 schestowitz[TR]; my point being,,,,
11:45 schestowitz[TR]; he is a flawed people
11:46 schestowitz[TR]; picking on his is faaar too easy
11:46 schestowitz[TR]; if one wantede
11:46 schestowitz[TR]; to he throws stonesd in glass houses
11:46 mjg59_; Picking on an elected politician is far too easy?
11:46 highest_cubist_thrills; an obvious contradiction <- how is it contradictory for the ira to be pro-pla
11:46 schestowitz[TR]; the sock is on the other foot...
11:46 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Being pro-IRA and pro-Israel
11:46 highest_cubist_thrills; both the pla and ira are against border decisions by the british
11:46 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Yeah that's my point
11:47 highest_cubist_thrills; but palestine and ireland got fucked by imperialists
11:47 highest_cubist_thrills; i thought the ira (sans the so-called "real ira") disbanded but
11:47 schestowitz[TR]; brb, doingdaily links now
11:47 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont get the contradiction
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11:47 highest_cubist_thrills; Yeah that's my point <- oh
11:47 highest_cubist_thrills; /me shrugs
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11:47 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: Being pro-PLA and pro-Israel would be a contradiction
11:48 mjg59_; And you can't be pro-IRA without being pro-PLA really
11:48 highest_cubist_thrills; ah, interesting
11:48 highest_cubist_thrills; the ira disbanded though yes?
11:48 highest_cubist_thrills; except the "real ira"
11:48 mjg59_; Republican areas of Northern Ireland fly Palestinian flags
11:48 mjg59_; The IRA exists, but disarmed
11:48 highest_cubist_thrills; ok
11:49 highest_cubist_thrills; i know about sinn fein but really wasnt up to speed on the ira
11:49 mjg59_; Loyalist areas of Northern Ireland fly Israeli flags, because Loyalists are incredibly confused
11:49 highest_cubist_thrills; or clear on it
11:49 mjg59_; They also fly confederate flags
11:49 highest_cubist_thrills; that does sound confusing
11:49 mjg59_; Yeah it's just a bunch of incoherent political signalling
11:49 highest_cubist_thrills; is this recent? i didnt notice any confederate flags
11:49 highest_cubist_thrills; but that was a long time ago, and its not like i canvased the entire country
11:50 highest_cubist_thrills; a bunch of incoherent political signalling <- sign of the times i suppose
11:50 mjg59_; https://www.google.com/search?q=northern+ireland+confederate+flag
11:50 TR Bot; ireland confederate flag - Google Search
11:50 highest_cubist_thrills; aliens: "earthlings fucking jumped the shark"
11:51 highest_cubist_thrills; https://www.google.com/search?q=northern+ireland+confederate+flag <- oh i dont doubt the claim
11:51 highest_cubist_thrills; i was just curious if it was recent
11:51 highest_cubist_thrills; i cant imagine why youd ever make up confederate flags in loyalist areas
11:51 mjg59_; Anyway, just going to point out explicitly that Roy absolutely refuses to express an opinion on whether Jake is a rapist
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; since you highlight me
11:52 mjg59_; Yeah honestly to an extent it's tied to German use of the confederate flag as a stand-in for the swastika flag
11:52 highest_cubist_thrills; just going to point out explicitly that Roy absolutely refuses to express an opinion on whether Jake is a rapist <- i consider that a legimate position on appelbaum
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; and you make a false assertion
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; I will say no,
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; i ndid not say that
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; no less than you said israel has no right to exist
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; which you might believe
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; but I cannot prove it
11:52 mjg59_; I think Israel has a right to exist
11:52 schestowitz[TR]; ok
11:52 mjg59_; So, is Jake a rapist
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; and what you said earlier about me is false
11:53 mjg59_; Which thing I said earlier?
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; btw, let's see how much those irish republicans want to bring 100,000 palestinians to theiiir towns
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; *their
11:53 schestowitz[TR]; (barrier and network lag)
11:53 highest_cubist_thrills; i think israel has a right to exist. i strongly disagree with their intepretation of that as "we can just go around bulldozing whatever we like"
11:53 highest_cubist_thrills; i think usa has a right to exist-- yet i dont support the tactics of ice
11:54 highest_cubist_thrills; bulldozing <- and mortaring
11:55 highest_cubist_thrills; and so on
11:55 highest_cubist_thrills; i disagree with the notion that a right to exist implies an unassailable right to commit war crimes
11:55 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean im sentimental that way
11:56 mjg59_; "When asked repeatedly, Roy Schestowitz did not answer questions about whether he believed Jake Appelbaum was a rapist"
11:56 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR]: ^ that's 100% factually accurate, right?
11:56 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the smart answer
11:57 highest_cubist_thrills; /me looks up if british have equiv of right to remain silent
11:57 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure its not identical
11:57 highest_cubist_thrills; The right to silence in England and Wales is the protection given to a person during criminal proceedings from adverse consequences of remaining silent. It is sometimes referred to as the privilege against self-incrimination.
11:58 highest_cubist_thrills; why do you take issue with roys silence on the matter
11:58 highest_cubist_thrills; what does it prove?
11:59 mjg59_; I think "Roy Schestowitz has republished articles suggesting that Jake Appelbaum was falsely accused of rape, but refuses to express his own opinion on the matter" is also accurate
11:59 highest_cubist_thrills; yes but thats his editorial policy
11:59 highest_cubist_thrills; whats wrong with that policy
12:00 mjg59_; highest_cubist_thrills: He's repeatedly claimed that I've accused him of supporting rapists when all I've said is that he publishes articles that support rapists
12:00 highest_cubist_thrills; He's repeatedly claimed that I've accused him of supporting rapists when all I've said is that he publishes articles that support rapists <- i mean...
12:00 highest_cubist_thrills; its roy we are talking about here
12:01 highest_cubist_thrills; he also said you go to conventions to get laid
12:01 mjg59_; Yeah, that's also a lie
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12:01 highest_cubist_thrills; simply because you dont eschew the entire idea of getting laid at a convention
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12:01 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> Yeah, that's also a lie <- like i said, its roy we are talking about here
12:02 MinceR; presumably we're supposed to consider Appelbaum guilty in absence of a court verdict, and cancel him
12:03 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> presumably we're supposed to consider Appelbaum guilty in absence of a court verdict, and cancel him <- sadly this is the only reason i knew he existed in the first place
12:04 mjg59_; MinceR: We're supposed to come to a reasonable conclusion about how to respond to an individual based on a number of accusations against him
12:04 mjg59_; Nobody is suggesting that he be stripped of his rights in the absence of a court verdict
12:04 highest_cubist_thrills; We're supposed to come to a reasonable conclusion about how to respond to an individual based on a number of accusations against him <- what makes you certain mincer hasnt done that already?
12:04 mjg59_; But there's no right to compel association
12:05 highest_cubist_thrills; there's no right to compel association <- funnily enough, a point of argued myself about being forced to associate with the coup
12:05 highest_cubist_thrills; s/of/ive/
12:05 frog; false accusation, with or without a court, are defamation, and an illegal offense
12:06 highest_cubist_thrills; though we are probably going to different places with that idea
12:06 frog; if false accusation are combined with blackmailing and extortion, it is fraud and a criminal offense
12:06 frog; subject to compensation of damages caused by false accusations
12:07 highest_cubist_thrills; Nobody is suggesting that he be stripped of his rights <- what exactly what decided
12:08 highest_cubist_thrills; sorry, what exactly was decided
12:08 mjg59_; He's largely unwelcome at conferences, the number of people willing to collaborate with him is reduced
12:09 highest_cubist_thrills; the number of people willing to collaborate with him is reduced <- this makes perfect sense
12:09 mjg59_; He got his PhD anyway, and he's got some sort of position at a university in Switzerland
12:09 highest_cubist_thrills; He's largely unwelcome at conferences <- this would be tragic if hes not guilty of what hes accused of
12:09 highest_cubist_thrills; He got his PhD anyway, and he's got some sort of position at a university <- his career wasnt ruined
12:09 highest_cubist_thrills; only his ability to interact with most of the free software community
12:10 highest_cubist_thrills; at conferences
12:10 mjg59_; I'm unwelcome at some conferences because of things I've said about the Linux Foundation
12:10 mjg59_; (Also unwelcome at one conference because of things I said about Jake)
12:10 highest_cubist_thrills; oh which one
12:10 highest_cubist_thrills; because of things I've said about the Linux Foundation <- yeah lf is a bit of a delicate flower that way
12:11 highest_cubist_thrills; being a protected minority and corporation etc
12:11 mjg59_; CCC rejected literally everyone vaguely related to Tor the year the Jake stuff happened
12:11 highest_cubist_thrills; jsut for one year?
12:11 highest_cubist_thrills; or that year + since that time
12:12 mjg59_; I stopped paying attention after then
12:12 highest_cubist_thrills; fair enough
12:12 mjg59_; I'd come up with a scheme to use remote attestation to be able to prove that the Tor hidden service you were accessing hadn't been compromised by the FBI
12:12 highest_cubist_thrills; that sounds impossible tbh
12:12 highest_cubist_thrills; but im no security expert
12:13 mjg59_; Eh based on the approaches we knew they were taking it would have worked
12:13 mjg59_; They may have found other ways around that
12:13 highest_cubist_thrills; so if they used a different one it would fail?
12:13 highest_cubist_thrills; right
12:13 mjg59_; They'd have had to do a bunch more work
12:13 highest_cubist_thrills; that doesnt sound like a very reliable positive result though
12:13 mjg59_; Nothing's a guarantee
12:13 highest_cubist_thrills; thats true of course
12:13 highest_cubist_thrills; but to be fair
12:14 highest_cubist_thrills; well
12:14 mjg59_; But they'd have had to start using some NSA-level stuff
12:14 highest_cubist_thrills; i think the most obvious outcome is
12:14 highest_cubist_thrills; now they would do much more work
12:14 highest_cubist_thrills; but maybe not
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12:14 mjg59_; And the NSA wouldn't want that because they want to keep that shit for stuff that matters
12:14 highest_cubist_thrills; right right
12:14 mjg59_; Anyway I should probably sleep
12:15 highest_cubist_thrills; its a shame youre not known for that instead
12:16 mjg59_; Sleeping?
12:17 mjg59_; That sounds pretty great tbh
12:17 highest_cubist_thrills; no
12:17 mjg59_; Champion sleeper
12:17 highest_cubist_thrills; that sounds like probably your best hack
12:17 mjg59_; Oh, I published the code
12:17 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah but
12:17 highest_cubist_thrills; ive never heard of it afaik
12:17 mjg59_; Going to try to re-do something similar with container stuff
12:17 highest_cubist_thrills; i know you for the stallman thing
12:18 mjg59_; Man it's almost like when I say that I actually care about individual liberty online that I do believe it
12:18 mjg59_; But yes I should refocus on that stuff, there's been less for the past few years for a bunch of reasons
12:18 highest_cubist_thrills; or maybe you just do liberty for the lulz :)
12:19 highest_cubist_thrills; idk, i doubt even your therapist knows that one
12:19 highest_cubist_thrills; and they would have a lot more to go on
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12:20 highest_cubist_thrills; I do believe it <- i believe you believe you believe it
12:21 highest_cubist_thrills; liberty is complicated anyway
12:22 highest_cubist_thrills; free software wont be free as long as github rules the world
12:23 frog; GNU itself is problematic, for quality reasons
12:23 highest_cubist_thrills; it costs a buck-oh-five
12:23 frog; beginning, with, the heart and core of GNU, which is their toolchain and buildsystem
12:24 frog; still working on it, to detangle those, and remove all runtime and build-time dependencies against it
12:25 MinceR; 27 130407 < mjg59_> MinceR: We're supposed to come to a reasonable conclusion about how to respond to an individual based on a number of accusations against him
12:25 highest_cubist_thrills; /me wishes phanes was here
12:25 MinceR; oh, i know that one
12:25 MinceR; i've seen it already
12:25 highest_cubist_thrills; /me has questions
12:25 MinceR; when it involved ShitHub
12:25 highest_cubist_thrills; how was shithub involved
12:25 MinceR; see, this is one of the reasons why i wouldn't let SJWs judge people
12:25 MinceR; apparently just the size of the cancel mob is sufficient to indict people
12:26 highest_cubist_thrills; acab, moral police etc
12:26 MinceR; highest_cubist_thrills: when they wrote a bullshit letter and published it on ShitHub
12:26 MinceR; it wasn't about Appelbaum that time
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12:26 MinceR; but it was the same principle
12:26 MinceR; no evidence, tons of accusers => guilty
12:26 highest_cubist_thrills; they didnt come to a reasonable conclusion either
12:26 MinceR; they don't do reasonable
12:27 highest_cubist_thrills; condemning mjg is much more powerful imo, when its done reasonably
12:28 highest_cubist_thrills; its not about whether HE deserves reasonable condemnation
12:28 MinceR; the things i condemn mjg59_ for were done very publicly
12:28 highest_cubist_thrills; everybody ELSE deserves the reasonable (honest) version
12:28 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah as far as i know
12:28 highest_cubist_thrills; ive never criticised your condemnation of mjg
12:28 MinceR; in support of a corporation whose past is also well known
12:28 highest_cubist_thrills; because i cant find any flaws with it
12:30 frog; the GNU buildsystem itself, supposed to improve portability, in fact, ensures this, portability towards itself
12:30 frog; for example, assuming if, i wanted to compile lynx web browser, which is the oldest actively maintained one
12:30 highest_cubist_thrills; what bothers me about the thing i read earlier, is that it may have conflated abuse with rape
12:30 highest_cubist_thrills; and while abuse is wrong
12:30 highest_cubist_thrills; rape is more specific
12:31 highest_cubist_thrills; it has a legal definition
12:31 highest_cubist_thrills; what it sounded like was
12:31 highest_cubist_thrills; the abuse continued.
12:31 frog; and i didn't want to utilize GNU autoconf/automake/gnu-make... how much effort would lynx browser one alone be, to rewrite simple and clean POSIX make files for it?
12:31 highest_cubist_thrills; if that abuse included acts that are defined by the definition of rape
12:31 frog; to retain, at least, some 30year old "free software" web browser
12:31 highest_cubist_thrills; then why wouldnt it be rape, if that description is accurate
12:31 highest_cubist_thrills; but im not asking
12:31 frog; without GNU build-system
12:32 highest_cubist_thrills; i think once a safeword is given, the act should cease
12:32 highest_cubist_thrills; whether its rape or not depends on what precise act did not cease
12:32 highest_cubist_thrills; and that wasnt stated there
12:32 highest_cubist_thrills; so it didnt answer my question
12:32 frog; at bootstrappable.org, they're still occupied to bootstrap autogen, and didn't succeed until a few days ago, to at least bootstrap compile GCC without pre-generated files
12:33 highest_cubist_thrills; if this wasnt a common pattern...
12:33 highest_cubist_thrills; i wouldnlt be so pedantic
12:33 frog; i wouldn't at least bother with GNU autogen anymore, and instead use some other toolchain
12:33 highest_cubist_thrills; what it says clearly is that appelbaum is abusive
12:33 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt specify more than that.
12:34 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe other things are more explicit elsewhere
12:34 highest_cubist_thrills; thats why i wish phanes was here
12:34 highest_cubist_thrills; mobs dont ask people to make careful decisions
12:34 highest_cubist_thrills; they demand action / response and dont love waiting around for careful decisions either
12:35 highest_cubist_thrills; i take issue with the entire approach
12:35 highest_cubist_thrills; in a perfect would even mobs would take more care than that
12:35 highest_cubist_thrills; world
12:35 highest_cubist_thrills; they dont of course
12:36 highest_cubist_thrills; mob justice is probably never defined as "thoughtful deliberation"
12:36 highest_cubist_thrills; mob thoughtful deliberation
12:36 highest_cubist_thrills; we should talk about stallman
12:36 highest_cubist_thrills; why
12:36 highest_cubist_thrills; because hes a terrible person who did all these terrible things
12:36 highest_cubist_thrills; what things
12:36 highest_cubist_thrills; well he said things
12:37 highest_cubist_thrills; also he didnt let us hang moglen for what he said
12:37 highest_cubist_thrills; theres a long pattern of half truths
12:37 highest_cubist_thrills; and framing
12:38 highest_cubist_thrills; it makes people more sceptical, even cynical
12:38 highest_cubist_thrills; too bad it destroyed the whole free software movement
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12:39 highest_cubist_thrills; funnily enough!
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12:39 highest_cubist_thrills; if you replace the free software movement with the thought police movement
12:39 highest_cubist_thrills; you get tpm
12:39 MinceR; guess what "Secure Boot" relies on for various cryptographical operations :>
12:40 MinceR; and who supports "Secure Boot" :>
12:40 highest_cubist_thrills; that was the joke
12:40 highest_cubist_thrills; free computing is important
12:41 highest_cubist_thrills; i consider free computing to be: free software, free culture, free hardware
12:41 highest_cubist_thrills; free culture matters-- but it has eaten itself by being one with the mob
12:41 highest_cubist_thrills; it hasnt ceased to be important
12:41 highest_cubist_thrills; but as a movement its not terribly viable
12:42 highest_cubist_thrills; (and never was, sadly)
12:42 highest_cubist_thrills; free software was more successful than free culture
12:42 highest_cubist_thrills; was
12:42 highest_cubist_thrills; but its dead
12:42 highest_cubist_thrills; of free computing, free hardware has the most hope
12:42 highest_cubist_thrills; some people will say
12:42 highest_cubist_thrills; this will happen
12:43 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt matter what the software is like
12:43 MinceR; i have doubts about that
12:43 highest_cubist_thrills; if the hardware is free
12:43 MinceR; i've seen working free softwar
12:43 MinceR; e
12:43 highest_cubist_thrills; because the hardware is what you need to be in control of
12:43 MinceR; but afaict all free hardware projects i've seen have failed
12:43 highest_cubist_thrills; id rather be wrong
12:43 highest_cubist_thrills; im talking about the movement
12:43 MinceR; acquired unacceptable components
12:43 highest_cubist_thrills; well
12:43 MinceR; or just plain didn't work (pinephone...)
12:43 highest_cubist_thrills; free hardware is just getting started
12:43 highest_cubist_thrills; it may flop like free culture
12:44 frog; pinephone isn't free/open hardware
12:44 highest_cubist_thrills; but even if all our hardware was free
12:44 highest_cubist_thrills; free software would not cease to be important
12:44 highest_cubist_thrills; we ultimately need both
12:45 highest_cubist_thrills; the free software movement and the free culture movement
12:45 highest_cubist_thrills; theyve eaten themselves
12:45 highest_cubist_thrills; free hardware has room to be exciting, because its "new"
12:45 highest_cubist_thrills; but someday free software will have to come back
12:45 highest_cubist_thrills; for now its just leo on a fucking plank in the ocean
12:46 MinceR; 27 134407 < frog> pinephone isn't free/open hardware
12:46 MinceR; what is?
12:47 highest_cubist_thrills; some chips that do very little right now
12:47 MinceR; yeah
12:47 highest_cubist_thrills; that could change very quickly
12:47 MinceR; can i run an OS with memory protection on a free hardware CPU with no backdoors?
12:48 highest_cubist_thrills; from eeproms i predicted fpgas and thumbdrives
12:48 highest_cubist_thrills; but i thought the market would never allow such things
12:48 MinceR; the moment RISC-V showed promise, intHell intruded into it
12:48 highest_cubist_thrills; fpgas beacuse you can COPY A CPU
12:49 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah entryism is a bitch
12:49 highest_cubist_thrills; idk whats supposed to stop entryism
12:49 MinceR; is an FPGA running an open core powerful enough to run a "modern" website in a browser?
12:49 highest_cubist_thrills; unless its anticapitalism
12:49 highest_cubist_thrills; websites are stupid
12:49 MinceR; also, is there an FPGA with not only fully free tooling but also no secrets in its design?
12:49 highest_cubist_thrills; the web is a broken standard
12:49 MinceR; "modern" websites are stupid, nevertheless, one tends to need them nowadays
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12:52 frog; MinceR: some FPGA do exist which are capable to boot linux; none of them suffice for any of the "modern" web shit
12:53 MinceR; i thought so
12:53 frog; FPGA themselves and required tooling, are problematic too
12:53 MinceR; and they're probably not free themselves
12:54 frog; i consider RISC-V a political move, other free/open designs exist already, whose patents fully expired
12:54 frog; and RISC-V probably needs most recent toolchains/kernels, which are problematic for that many other reasons, it's moot to discuss
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12:55 frog; the only "free hardware" options remaining, are the Z80 era realm, Gigatron etc.; and related projects almost always too depend on some problematic parts
12:56 frog; even the Gigatron TTL (Apollo mission late 1960s era TTL7400 series parts), this too requires a closed ATmel for the Pluggy McPlugface VGA/PS2 adapter
12:56 MinceR; which of those have MMUs?
12:57 frog; good question, early Z80 designs don't contain any MMU nor DRAM controller, and use SRAM only
12:57 frog; almost all other "modern" hardware designs utilize MMU
12:58 MinceR; has anyone built a Z80-based system with MMU? can it run unix?
12:58 frog; yes, some designs including MMU showcased FuzixOS booted
12:58 frog; 16bit addressing
12:59 frog; with bank-switching, which is, limited
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 155.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 116.76
12:59 frog; FuzixOS was where Alan Cox departed
13:00 frog; however, with FuzixOS/z80 i remain sceptical too, because SDCC compiler is written in C++, which excludes any reasonable bootstrapping of it
13:02 frog; with 32bit systems, which is the bare minimum of any practically useful system, the situation is... didn't drink vodka yet to talk
13:02 frog; because, you need to consider both, always: hardware and compiler/toolchain support
13:03 frog; with the intersection of this, currently i consider an ao486 type system deployed to FPGA together with a tcc-toolchain (no GNU-toolchain, no GNU-buildsystem, no-c++)
13:03 frog; for ao486, the BIOS/firmware situation too seems close to acceptable, they implemented some seabios/bochs for it
13:04 frog; deployed to FPGA: thats a few dozen MHz, a few MiB of RAM, no USB1
13:04 frog; and it is, EXPENSIVE!!! the proposed Altera FPGA ship for $800
13:05 frog; hence i consider the FPGA deployment optional, it must be possible, in theory at least, which it is, with ao486
13:05 frog; and in practice, any other x86 (32bit i think), intersects with what tcc-toolchain may support
13:06 frog; didn't have time yet, to re-integrate any libc (mes-libc, musl-1.x) known to compile with tcc-toolchain
13:06 frog; before i begin this, i will blacklist perl, GNU automake/autoconf etc... and see what remains in userspace as "free software"
13:06 frog; next, i will verify the linux kernel-2.4 ROLL-BACK
13:07 frog; then, i will re-integrate any libc which must pass with tcc-assembler
13:07 frog; then, i will migrate the package set to Oasis Linux package management, and fork this to a distro named Paradise Linux
13:09 MinceR; does FuzixOS do actual memory protection with Z80+MMU?
13:10 frog; it does Bank-Switching, which swaps the entire address space for every single process, to my understanding
13:10 frog; i think with this, no process can access the address space of any other process
13:11 MinceR; yeah, i vaguely remembered that
13:11 MinceR; i'm no fan of that
13:11 MinceR; any application can still screw up the kernel
13:11 MinceR; and then you get to reboot, if you notice
13:11 frog; yes, same kernel address space is mapped into each process
13:13 frog; anyway, Z80 with SDCC seems not desireable, because of the compiler, written in C++
13:13 frog; i consider Z80 suitable to practice assembly and basic programming, and for this 64KiB should suffice
13:14 frog; 16bit seems not a desirable target for any unix
13:14 MinceR; i've done that on 386 already (though i don't think i ventured beyond 8086 assembly)
13:14 MinceR; why is 16bit unsuitable for unix?
13:14 frog; with such little memory, unix multi-user seems not the use-case; z80 is more appropriate for some real-time uController stuff
13:15 MinceR; ic
13:15 frog; MinceR: 16bit address space, too little RAM, for any practically relevant use-case with multi-user unix
13:15 frog; most of the 16bit systems were CP/M or DOS
13:16 frog; which is, still important, too Z80 assemble and BASIC are, it's just a different realm of tech with different use-cases
13:19 frog; bootstrappable.org too made considerable and highly relevant progress with bootstrapping tcc-toolchain
13:19 frog; however, then they switch to GCC/GNU-buildsystem rather early; i will NOT!
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13:21 frog; to accomplish this, it is UNAVOIDABLE to detangle GNU entirely. that's the situation. even if i wanted to use some GNU utilities, i can't.
13:21 frog; besides, i don't want to anymore.
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13:24 frog; tracking _all_ build-time dependencies against GNU (libtool, autoconf/automake, gnu-make, bash) won't be trivial, because i cannot migrate to an alternative build-host yet
13:24 frog; at least, the tcc-toolchain system already does boot nicely, with an aarch32 userspace, and only musl-libc remaining which requires GNU binutils
13:25 frog; next, i'll wipe and replace _all_ GNU userspace parts which are entangled with GNU-buildsystem
13:26 frog; as a bare minimum, of cause, a toybox or suckless.org ubase/sbase must remain, bearssl/bearssl-libtls, catgirl irc, vis-editor, lua script interpreter, make utility, tcc-toolchain
13:27 frog; as another milestone, i consider the presence of www-client/lynx; and, very important dev-vcs/git compiled/linked without any GNU-toolchain/buildsystem
13:27 frog; i am still thinking, to move my repositories, away from git entirely, and use CVS instead
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13:42 schestowitz[TR]; cvs ws ok
13:42 schestowitz[TR]; I used it in its haydays
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; heydays
13:43 MinceR; git is so much better
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; yes
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; but can be hard to manage (admin side)
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; to some people, git exists like magic
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; in a vacuum
13:43 schestowitz[TR]; because they outsourced to microsoft et al
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13:45 schestowitz[TR]; lol:
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; even microsoft and gitlab cannot manage it
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; how many times did they:
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; a) lose data
13:45 schestowitz[TR]; b) have prolonged data
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; c) failed to fulfil support requests from their fake "customers"?
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft github
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; after the ICE protect
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; people who tolerate right wing shit
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; and racism
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; so they end up witrh managers like
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; aleex graveley
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; plagiarist
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; criminal
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; drug dealer
13:46 schestowitz[TR]; and worse
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; annnd his buddies, inc. mr. naked-at-the-party net-a-frienf-man
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ is cool with these people
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; same weirdoes
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; many overlaps
13:47 schestowitz[TR]; and mutual connections
13:48 frog; with CVS, i can maintain my own stuff, but cannot access outside git repositories, of cause, regardless of github or elsewhere
13:49 TR News; "Back in 2019 we announced QtHttpServer to the public, now we are extremely happy to introduce a technical preview, starting in Qt 6.4. for this project." https://www.qt.io/blog/how-to-create-a-rest-api-with-qthttpserver
13:49 TR Bot; How to create a REST API with QtHttpServer
13:49 frog; this, would, at least, require migrating external git repositories to a local CVS too
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13:50 frog; currently, nonthing is blocked by git, and i hope git itself can be compiled/linked _without_ gnu-toolchain/buildsystem involved
13:50 frog; in any case, a transition to CVS too might be a precaution, to prevent future trouble with any external software
13:51 frog; besides, i need to check any CVS client/server itself can be compiled/linked without GNU involved
13:51 frog; in any case, the decision is made, to remove/replace GNU components everywhere; not because of GPL
13:51 schestowitz[TR]; wait till yuo find out about the licence...
13:52 schestowitz[TR]; GPL-2.0-only
13:52 frog; i don't see any problem with it
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; gnu is "on the package"
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; of git
13:53 frog; when i publish any binary anywhere, of cause i will publish sources
13:53 frog; the problem is, currently, i cannot publish anything at all
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; so what's your intolerance of all of gnu then?
13:53 frog; schestowitz[TR]: software quality
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; all of it?
13:53 schestowitz[TR]; all the gnu developers ever?
13:54 frog; no, of cause not; and i don't think it is individual competence of gnu developers at fault either
13:54 frog; the GNU-toolchain/buildsystem themeselves, got a systemic issue
13:54 frog; one of it, when GNU mentions portability, it implies mainly this: portability towards their system, and remain locked
13:55 frog; not by the license, by the toolchain/buildsystem technical qualities
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13:55 frog; i had enough, when i saw various older configure.in not passing an autoreconf -if anymore, and the perl-5.8 roll-back necessary with tcc-toolchain
13:55 TR News; Microbell at it again https://www.phoronix.com/news/RadeonSI-VCN-Async-Mesa-22.3
13:55 TR Bot; Microsoft: RadeonSI Enables Async VA-API For Faster Video Acceleration - Phoronix
13:55 frog; TECHNICAL reasons, not GPL licensing ones
13:57 frog; furthermore, the generated configure scripts and makefiles are, unacceptable, for several reasons
13:57 frog; to regenerate those, autoconf/automake are required, which again got severe issues, i am not willing to accept
13:57 frog; it is OK, if GNU/FSF accept this, of cause; but too it must be possible, to detangle then, which is what they prevent with their toolchain/buildsystem
13:58 schestowitz-TR; thank you for helping my sponsor
13:58 schestowitz-TR; which also asks me to booost azure
13:58 schestowitz-TR; and helps microsoft foist pluton
13:58 techuser; schestowitz[TR]: did you marry because "love" or because it gave you some benefits irl?
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; love is a benefit
14:00 techuser; I think love is a scam
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; sometimes it is
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; russian women have a reputation for it, I heard
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; ukrainian also
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; but maybe not at all unique to them
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; not sure, never dated a russian
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; i chatted to one before
14:01 schestowitz[TR]; and she was mostly interested in how much money I was making
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; iirc
14:02 techuser; I don't believe in love anyway
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; british with family from russia
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: your brother won't, either
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; after what happened to him
14:02 techuser; it makes no sense in this self-destructing world
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; if you want love, you can get a pet
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; feed them and they will love you
14:03 schestowitz[TR]; just don't hurt them
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; pets have no concept of moneya dnd on't cheat on you
14:04 techuser; so it still depends on food
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; fish is not expensive
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; we changed their water today
14:04 schestowitz[TR]; small fish don't need much food
14:04 techuser; I'd prefer some AI, but not the way it will be done (for-profit, remote server)
14:05 techuser; I want an offline AI
14:05 schestowitz[TR]; hey hi is nonsense
14:05 techuser; so it can replace socializing
14:05 schestowitz[TR]; usually it just means some "logic"
14:05 schestowitz[TR]; algorithm with inputs and outputs
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; socialising is overrated anyway
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; from what I saw
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; in 21st century
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; it means
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; find people you envied
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; and then show off to them
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; to make them jealous
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; and "win"
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; that's BS
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; it's not social, either
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; it's a bunch of insecure a-holes
14:06 schestowitz[TR]; using up planetary resources
14:07 schestowitz[TR]; Michael's tongue stuck in MIcrosoft's shoe https://www.phoronix.com/news/RadeonSI-VCN-Async-Mesa-22.3
14:07 TR Bot; Microsoft: RadeonSI Enables Async VA-API For Faster Video Acceleration - Phoronix
14:07 schestowitz[TR]; so glad we dropped him in february this year
14:07 schestowitz[TR]; it's getting worse
14:07 techuser; dropped whom?
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; he now openly invoted corporate money
14:08 techuser; and from where
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; the gifts don't suffice
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; phoronix
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; we don't link to them
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; except in irc somewtimes, for a laugh..
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; maybe his wifdemands the sellout
14:08 techuser; ergo is a shitty IRCd
14:08 schestowitz[TR]; it wasn't always this bad
14:08 techuser; doesn't support linking
14:09 techuser; instead its devilopers focus on IRCv3 shit to destroy IRC
14:10 TR News; This is Proprietary Softrware + Openwashing ploy: version 7.2 released, download for free The Register https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/27/onlyoffice_72_released/
14:10 TR Bot; Onlyoffice version 7.2 released, download for free The Register
14:10 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: it's funny when you allege this
14:10 schestowitz[TR]; you are 18
14:10 schestowitz[TR]; and speak as if you gre up on old IRC
14:10 schestowitz[TR]; *grew
14:12 schestowitz[TR]; you missed the dalnet/mirc days
14:12 schestowitz[TR]; and the awful days
14:12 schestowitz[TR]; when you could not scrollback
14:12 schestowitz[TR]; and had to dial up
14:12 schestowitz[TR]; with a modem
14:12 schestowitz[TR]; and could now see channel history
14:12 schestowitz[TR]; and could not be always online, either
14:12 schestowitz[TR]; too expensive
14:12 schestowitz[TR]; and connection not stable
14:12 schestowitz[TR]; and you may need the phone line to make call and take incoming calls
14:13 techuser; maybe awful days for IRC but they were good days otherwise
14:13 techuser; because now evil software expects you to be always connected when you use it
14:13 techuser; many programs removed offline help pages
14:14 techuser; many programs phone home
14:15 techuser; or otherwise waste bandwidth
14:16 TR News; Atlantic Council = front group for global espionage mobsters https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/09/new-report-on-iot-security.html
14:16 TR Bot; Report on IoT Security - Schneier on Security
14:16 techuser; oh, and this IoT shit too
14:16 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: true
14:16 schestowitz[TR]; i wish people your age all grasped how bad that is
14:17 schestowitz[TR]; many of them walk around attacked to a skinnerbox
14:17 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: https://levelskip.com/how-to/Skinners-Box-and-Video-Games
14:17 TR Bot; Box and Video Games: How to Create Addictive Games - LevelSkip
14:17 schestowitz[TR]; this is your geneeration
14:17 schestowitz[TR]; and some of mine, too
14:18 techuser; I used to play MMO games
14:18 schestowitz[TR]; they are very addictive
14:18 schestowitz[TR]; and VERY time-consuming
14:18 techuser; they are said to be addictive
14:18 TR News; Open letter to the ITFlows Consortium: stop tech tools for predicting migration that can be repurposed to violate fundamental rights - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/open-letter-itflows-consortium/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/open-letter-itflows-consortium/
14:18 TR Bot; Open letter to the ITFlows Consortium: stop tech tools for predicting migration that can be repurposed to violate fundamental rights - Access Now
14:18 techuser; WoW was released in 2004
14:18 schestowitz[TR]; they neutralise human beings
14:18 techuser; so maybe other generations too
14:18 schestowitz[TR]; while few steal all the capital and political power
14:19 schestowitz[TR]; they 'pacity' the populace
14:19 schestowitz[TR]; like sports
14:19 schestowitz[TR]; as a spectator thing
14:19 schestowitz[TR]; WoW was after warcraft
14:19 schestowitz[TR]; warcraft 1 and 2 were fun
14:19 schestowitz[TR]; and you could play multiplayer over modem
14:19 schestowitz[TR]; which we did sometimes
14:19 schestowitz[TR]; ooooor over novell netware
14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
14:20 schestowitz[TR]; warcraft was less addictive
14:20 schestowitz[TR]; as there was no scoresheet
14:20 schestowitz[TR]; you just wanted to "finish" the game
14:20 schestowitz[TR]; spend 2 hours
14:20 schestowitz[TR]; go back to homework
14:20 techuser; in WoW you can also reach the top level
14:20 schestowitz[TR]; nobody judged you
14:21 schestowitz[TR]; now we have "Gamers" dying with sleep deficitt
14:21 schestowitz[TR]; and getting obese
14:21 schestowitz[TR]; it was always an issue
14:21 schestowitz[TR]; but now a lot more severe
14:21 schestowitz[TR]; or people who never leave the bed
14:21 schestowitz[TR]; just staying there with a "smart" phone
14:21 techuser; Luis64_gamer exists here
14:21 schestowitz[TR]; wasting their lives away
14:21 techuser; you can ask him something. Idk what he does mostly.
14:21 schestowitz[TR]; yes,, but the nickname does not say much
14:22 schestowitz[TR]; playing a gaame in moderation is OK
14:22 schestowitz[TR]; like people playing snakes on old nokia phones
14:22 schestowitz[TR]; btw, today's games tend to take up a lot of power
14:22 techuser; I keep playing repetitive games like solitaire while waiting for IRC messages
14:22 schestowitz[TR]; at an age of energy deficit
14:23 schestowitz[TR]; you can run old "AAA" games ona raspi
14:23 schestowitz[TR]; at 5 watts
14:23 techuser; I have no goals in my life
14:23 schestowitz[TR]; with AAA batteries
14:23 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: you help out in irc
14:23 schestowitz[TR]; better than just playing some pointless game
14:23 schestowitz[TR]; or working hard
14:23 schestowitz[TR]; so someone else can buy 50 pairs of shoes
14:24 techuser; I used to be on UplinkIRC, helping random players get on IRc
14:24 techuser; *IRC
14:24 schestowitz[TR]; and show off to people not seen in person since the 1980s
14:24 techuser; but then the admin became crazy SJWs and bans followed, and they started shunning Tor it seems
14:24 techuser; so I left
14:24 schestowitz[TR]; IRC is a rebellious act8ion
14:24 schestowitz[TR]; against corporations that seek to control all the world's communications
14:24 techuser; society is self-destructing. There is no help.
14:24 schestowitz[TR]; and manipulate those comms
14:24 schestowitz[TR]; to "Shape" society
14:24 schestowitz[TR]; to their own benefit, not society's
14:25 schestowitz[TR]; like the netKKKop we have here
14:25 MinceR; i prefer fast-paced FPS-es
14:25 schestowitz[TR]; using vile language
14:25 schestowitz[TR]; against a CDN exec
14:25 schestowitz[TR]; for not censoring sites
14:25 schestowitz[TR]; few among hundreds of millions or at least tens of millions
14:25 schestowitz[TR]; BTW, that cursing is CoC violation
14:25 schestowitz[TR]; don't worry, matttty, I won't report you
14:26 MinceR; i can't cast any curses :(
14:26 schestowitz[TR]; need mana
14:26 MinceR; yeah
14:26 schestowitz[TR]; mo mana mo probl;ems
14:27 techuser; IRCv3 is ruining IRC
14:27 MinceR; no mana mo problems
14:27 techuser; we had many revolutions, yet some people start abusing others eventually
14:27 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gUhRKVIjJtw
14:27 TR Bot; The Notorious B.I.G. - Mo Money Mo Problems (Official Music Video) [4K] - Invidious
14:27 techuser; society can't be saved
14:28 schestowitz[TR]; avoid it
14:28 techuser; it will self-destruct eventually
14:28 schestowitz[TR]; make your subset
14:28 schestowitz[TR]; of society
14:28 schestowitz[TR]; and make it livable
14:28 MinceR; also colonize your own planet so the others don't wipe you out
14:28 schestowitz[TR]; but don't impose it on the rest
14:28 schestowitz[TR]; that's why passive aggressive bullies do
14:28 schestowitz[TR]; taliban and mjg59_
14:29 TR News; PROPRIETARY LTS Qt 6.2.6 Released https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-6.2.6-released Source: Qt | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-6.2.6-released
14:29 TR Bot; Commercial LTS Qt 6.2.6 Released
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: that's an issue
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; notwithstanding
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; some cults that insulated themselves from others
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; outsiders
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; the government came after them
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; even if they harmed nobody
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; in the amazons the cheeto nazi is attacking the indiginous people
14:31 MinceR; i thought that was another nazi
14:31 MinceR; bolsonaro
14:32 TR News; There is a fist up his back end and he speaks like LF and Gulag want him to. He did not tolerate non-C languages in the kernel before. If he wants more langs, why not C++? Not enough lobbying and blackmail? Or brainwash 'at best'? https://itwire.com/open-source/support-for-rust-will-be-merged-in-6-1-kernel,-says-torvalds.html
14:32 TR Bot; - Support for Rust will be merged in 6.1 kernel, says Torvalds
14:33 TR News; Rust is 'for security', say corporations and ilk that also told us handing over control to Microsoft, in OUR OWN PC, is "security"
14:34 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: cheato nazi
14:34 schestowitz[TR]; he plans to cheap in the upcoming electipnm
14:34 schestowitz[TR]; or sic his mob
14:34 schestowitz[TR]; like US jan 6 2021
14:35 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/08/04/tumblr-gets-deep-08-04-22/
14:35 TR Bot; 24 Funny Tumblr Posts That Deserve Your Attention Today
14:36 TR News; Redhat.com is now broken. Cannot navigate without proprietary JAVASCRIPT!!! ICBM is killing Red Hat and freedom. At first it was developers.redhat.com. Now more of the main site!
14:37 TR News; ICBM got its words confused. They told them Red Hat was Free software, ICBM execs heard "Fuhrer software", got a hard-on.
14:37 schestowitz[TR]; activelow also
14:38 schestowitz[TR]; working on it..
14:38 techuser; is activelow's current nickname frog?
14:38 schestowitz[TR]; yes
14:38 schestowitz[TR]; pepe the frag [sic]
14:38 schestowitz[TR]; panzer anthem
14:39 schestowitz[TR]; he and putin will liberate the "homeland" from invaders... using sixels and stuff
14:40 schestowitz[TR]; then they can annex orbanland and conduct a referendum
14:40 schestowitz[TR]; with sixel-powered voting machines
14:41 TR News; Fractal security audit - Julians Code Corner https://blogs.gnome.org/jsparber/2022/09/27/fractal-security-audit/ Source: Gnome | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blogs.gnome.org/jsparber/2022/09/27/fractal-security-audit/
14:41 TR Bot; Fractal security audit Julian's Code Corner
14:41 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: be like goerge https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EkTeZLiNCoM
14:41 TR Bot; When you are born in this world, you are given a ticket to the Freak Show - George Carlin - Invidious
14:42 frog; the reasoning around sixels and web-browsers was another one: long-term reliable document storage and retrieval, including screen-rendering of text AND illustrations, for scientific publication, and printing support including sixels (or Epson raw bitmap)
14:43 TR News; IoT project lifecycle: App-centric software development [Part II] | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/app-centric-software-development Source: Ubuntubuzz | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntu.com//blog/app-centric-software-development
14:43 TR Bot; project lifecycle: App-centric software development [Part II] | Ubuntu
14:43 frog; and there is many reasons, it is better not to clutter any of the required software for this with GNU involved
14:44 frog; if anything, GNU had proven, they are neither willing nor capable to provide long-term reliable/stable and standards compliant software
14:44 frog; IBM MICROS~1 Wintel aren't any different; however i use free software, and that's what i can talk about
14:45 frog; and, it is not fun anymore, to develop software with GNU involved
14:46 frog; the defamation contest of FSF and the communities, is just another reasons, to stay away, far away from them
14:46 schestowitz[TR]; wait
14:46 frog; software quality, tats racist...
14:46 schestowitz[TR]; did fsf defame also?
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; yes, good code has feelings
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; so just merge the bad code
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; it'll sort itself out
14:47 frog; i don't care who was throwing mud at anyone else
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; but don't "defame" the code
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; that can crush hearts
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; it'll fix itself
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; also put Microsoft Trojan horses in Linux
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; and Gulag's NSA-friendly cipher
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; let it all in
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; don't be racist
14:47 MinceR; it doesn't need to be fixed, it's "modern"
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; haha
14:48 schestowitz[TR]; likle, not mature
14:48 schestowitz[TR]; with many bugs
14:48 schestowitz[TR]; and hey, it's rust
14:48 MinceR; it will just remain obviously broken for 11 years and we'll call it "stable"
14:48 schestowitz[TR]; so... secure
14:48 schestowitz[TR]; magic
14:48 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: in version 250
14:48 schestowitz[TR]; when purtin already rre-=establishes an empire
14:48 MinceR; but if something that's simple and works and wasn't updated for 1 year, we'll scream that it's "UNMAINTAINED" and replace it with something "modern"
14:48 schestowitz[TR]; like half of asia and half of europe
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; x is still maintained
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; so let's replace it
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; WAY-COOL
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; WAy-LAND
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; it's broken ?
14:49 MinceR; X is apparently maintained by people who don't understand its design :/
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; oh, sorry
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; trrry again next release
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; repeat for 7 years
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; still broken?
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; blame developers for not writing their stuff
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; for your unnecessary cruft
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; those "apps" are not "modern" anyway
14:49 schestowitz[TR]; they cannot be found in flathub
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; and they use git
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; instead of github
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; or ven svn
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; coming up next: sixel-wayland
14:50 schestowitz[TR]; sixeld
14:51 schestowitz[TR]; and systemd-sixeld
14:51 schestowitz[TR]; with full dbus back end
14:51 MinceR; does systemd even compile with tcc?
14:51 schestowitz[TR]; xsixel as compatibility layer
14:51 schestowitz[TR]; tcc is barely maintained
14:51 schestowitz[TR]; bellard left it
14:52 schestowitz[TR]; oh, unmaintained
14:52 schestowitz[TR]; burn it!
14:52 schestowitz[TR]; let microsoft LP make another compiler
14:52 schestowitz[TR]; with a "d" in it
14:52 MinceR; lol
14:52 schestowitz[TR]; gid=group id
14:52 schestowitz[TR]; but wait
14:52 MinceR; systemd-yourcodeisfucked
14:52 schestowitz[TR]; they will make a systemd thing for systemd
14:53 schestowitz[TR]; systemctl start gid
14:53 frog; systemd is far less problematic, because it can be removed; dbus is worse, due to this, GNOME/GTK are practically absent
14:53 schestowitz[TR]; gid checkout
14:53 frog; and far worse then GTK, which can be removed, and retain a a *nix workstation system...
14:54 frog; GNU-toolchain and buildsystem... this is the worst
14:54 frog; you can't detangle from this, you will loose almost everything
14:54 TR News; Stop the EUMigraTool rollout: predictive AI systems have no place in EU migration policies - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/eumigratool-predictive-ai-systems-eu/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/eumigratool-predictive-ai-systems-eu/
14:54 TR Bot; Stop the EUMigraTool rollout: predictive AI systems have no place in EU migration policies - Access Now
14:54 frog; to compile a linux kernel, requires a roll-back to v2.4!
14:55 TR News; Joint statement: civil society welcomes independent human rights assessment on Metas content moderation in Palestine and Israel - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/statement-meta-human-rights-palestine-israel/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/statement-meta-human-rights-palestine-israel/
14:55 TR Bot; Joint statement: civil society welcomes independent human rights assessment on Meta's content moderation in Palestine and Israel - Access Now
14:55 frog; wait, for this you got rust and c++ inside kernel, llvm/clang, problem solved.
14:56 frog; this evening, i will track and remove _all_ dependencies of GNU buildsystem and Perl
14:56 TR News; When Zuckerface filters the world's communications or a lot of the interaction between people is piped through his interference, censorship and propaganda pipeline https://www.accessnow.org/bsr-findings-meta-palestinian-rights/
14:56 TR Bot; Metas actions adversely impacted Palestinians rights: Access Now welcomes BSR findings - Access Now
14:57 frog; toybox userspace is still there, then i hope my dmux desktop environment will (it is mostly suckless.org stuff)
14:57 frog; then next, git and cvs, lynx browser, catgirl irc client... i am almost certain i won't have mutt mailer anymore
14:58 frog; meaning, i'll have to keep the frozen/archived gcc47/GNU profile for a little while, no big deal, it just remains frozen as it is
14:59 TR News; vkd3d: Import upstream release 1.5. https://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/commit/c3025582fd5be155ce8231ccce4d69916856dec7
14:59 TR Bot; Git - wine.git/commit
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14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 94.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 111.20
15:10 TR News; redhat.com increasingly required PROPRIETARY JavaScript just to access!
15:11 TR News; Get change alerts from any website with this open source tool | https://opensource.com/article/22/9/changedetection-io-open-source-website-changes Source: ICBM | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//opensource.com/article/22/9/changedetection-io-open-source-website-changes
15:11 TR Bot; change alerts from any website with this open source tool | Opensource.com
15:11 MinceR; (audio:music) https://apina.biz/192196.mp4?mode=sfw
15:11 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/192196.mp4
15:12 TR News; Red Hat has lost a lot of bright people https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/it-interview-questions-innovation
15:12 TR Bot; 5 interview questions to detect an IT innovator | The Enterprisers Project
15:13 TR News; ICBM is killing Fedora. No people -> no Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) issues. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/call-for-proposals-fwd-2022/
15:13 TR Bot; Call for Proposals: FWD 2022 Fedora Community Blog
15:13 TR News; ICBM: we helped Hitler, now we pretend to be WOKE, we impose CoC, going broke
15:14 TR News; Shutdown of Peertube.co.uk one after another indie video hosting site https://dwaves.de/2022/09/27/shutdown-of-peertube-co-uk-one-after-another-indie-video-hosting-site/ "increasingly harsher rules and regulations"
15:14 TR Bot; Shutdown of Peertube.co.uk one after another indie video hosting site | dwaves.de
15:15 TR News; mjg and ilk vs dweb: "Additionally, the proposed UK Online Safety Bill, if enacted, will make it almost impossible to host a site such as Peertube in the UK. This bill makes publishers, with the exception of large media companies, liable for the content hosted on their platform..." https://dwaves.de/2022/09/27/shutdown-of-peertube-co-uk-one-after-another-indie-video-hosting-site/
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15:17 TR News; "so this is it? another video hosting (besides youtube) site shutting down? Predict the shutdown of vimeo.com." https://dwaves.de/2022/09/27/shutdown-of-peertube-co-uk-one-after-another-indie-video-hosting-site/
15:17 TR News; "Because their model (probably) wont fly as far as the constant advertisement streams of Alphabets Googles Youtube (they are testing up to 10x advertisement clips in front of every video which is just sick & insane)" https://dwaves.de/2022/09/27/shutdown-of-peertube-co-uk-one-after-another-indie-video-hosting-site/
15:18 schestowitz[TR]; guess who else wants to hold platforms liable and worse
15:18 schestowitz[TR]; even holding a large CDN liable
15:18 schestowitz[TR]; maybe next they will sue "the internets"
15:18 schestowitz[TR]; for being ""nazos"
15:18 schestowitz[TR]; *nazis"
15:18 schestowitz[TR]; but they will stay online regardless
15:19 schestowitz[TR]; online "support network"
15:19 schestowitz[TR]; meanwhile kiwi irc is still broken
15:19 schestowitz[TR]; almost 2 days now
15:19 schestowitz[TR]; no idea why
15:19 schestowitz[TR]; maybe it's not coming back, either
15:20 schestowitz[TR]; mibbit is spying on people
15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
15:20 schestowitz[TR]; which is why original freenode umped it
15:20 schestowitz[TR]; *dumped
15:21 TR News; Kernel 5.15.70 with simplefb https://bkhome.org/news/202209/kernel-51570-with-simplefb.html but it's older than 2.4 so herr sixel won't tolerate it anyhow
15:21 TR Bot; Kernel 5.15.70 with simplefb
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15:22 TR News; "I will not be looking to hand over the service to another host" https://blog.peertube.co.uk/
15:22 TR Bot; Shutdown of Peertube.co.uk | Peertube UK Blog
15:23 TR News; WWW = where the age of a URL is like the lifetime of a bee
15:23 TR News; ...and Internet Archive faces lawsuits for 'daring' to extend the life of links with the Wayback Machine
15:24 TR News; linuxlinks back to posting webspam and SEO spam. Fake 'articles'. The next site to go defunct completely? https://www.linuxlinks.com/approaches-teaching-literature/
15:24 TR Bot; Approaches to Teaching Literature - LinuxLinks
15:25 TR News; Bartomiej Piotrowski: Enforcing pull request workflow and green CI status of PRs on Flathub repositories https://barthalion.blog/enforcing-pull-request-workflow-and-green-ci-status-of-prs-on-flathub-repositories/
15:25 TR Bot; Enforcing pull request workflow and green CI status of PRs on Flathub repositories
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15:35 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: watch https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EkTeZLiNCoM
15:35 TR Bot; When you are born in this world, you are given a ticket to the Freak Show - George Carlin - Invidious
15:36 TR News; Interpol seeks arrest of failed crypto-firm boss Do Kwon - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63033262 Source: BBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63033262
15:36 TR Bot; Interpol seeks arrest of failed crypto-firm boss Do Kwon - BBC News
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15:46 TR News; (NEW): Project Caviar http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Project_Caviar.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Project_Caviar.gmi
15:46 TR Bot; Tux Machines Project Caviar
15:49 TR News; (NEW): Security: Optus, GNOME, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Security_Optus_GNOME_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Security_Optus_GNOME_and_More.gmi
15:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security: Optus, GNOME, and More
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15:52 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi
15:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
16:01 TR News; (NEW): Devices: Canonical, Raspberry Pi, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Hacking_on_hardware.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Hacking_on_hardware.gmi
16:01 TR Bot; Tux Machines Devices: Canonical, Raspberry Pi, and More
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16:13 starstreak; <schestowitz[TR]> and britney is cool with me <- im cool with you but not cool with daemonfc, he is transphobic
16:13 schestowitz[TR]; I understand
16:14 starstreak; i put him on ignore lol
16:15 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
16:15 schestowitz[TR]; or you can confront
16:15 starstreak; he can't go a day without being transphobic so ill unignore him and less than a day later he is spewing hate again
16:15 schestowitz[TR]; to prove him wrong
16:15 TR News; (NEW): Fedora Family / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Fedora_Family_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Fedora_Family_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi
16:15 TR Bot; Tux Machines Fedora Family / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
16:15 starstreak; you can't argue with daemonfc and his walls of text, he just ignores it
16:19 TR News; Links 27/09/2022: CRUX 3.7 Released and Project Caviar | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/27/project-caviar/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/27/project-caviar/
16:19 TR Bot; Links 27/09/2022: CRUX 3.7 Released and Project Caviar | Techrights
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
16:22 TR News; Biden lives in another planet https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MOM_nE-k3qo
16:22 TR Bot; POTUS, Pandemic is over - Invidious
16:23 TR News; EHIWPRM Wordo: ZONED gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-09-27.gmi
16:24 TR News; "This will not work in your dad's Forth (GForth?), because of interleaved headers. I think you can do that in ColorForth. My newest Forth keeps heads elsewhere, so it is perfectly legal to run into the next-defined word." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-09-27.2xforth.gmi
16:24 TR News; Here I Lie With Truth Here I Lie With Truth
16:24 TR News; Here I Lie With Truth gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~scientiac/poems/here_i_lie_with_truth.gmi
16:25 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
16:25 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
16:25 TR News; (NEW): Kernel: simplefb Support, Rust Bloat, and Linux Optimised for 386 and 48 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Kernel_simplefb_Support_Rust_Bloat_and_Linux_Optimised_for_386_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Kernel_simplefb_Support_Rust_Bloat_and_Linux_Optimised_for_386_.gmi
16:25 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kernel: simplefb Support, Rust Bloat, and Linux Optimised for 386 and 48
16:25 TR News; (NEW): BSD: EuroBSDCon Event and OpenBSD Services http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/BSD_EuroBSDCon_Event_and_OpenBSD_Services.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/BSD_EuroBSDCon_Event_and_OpenBSD_Services.gmi
16:25 TR Bot; Tux Machines BSD: EuroBSDCon Event and OpenBSD Services
16:26 TR News; (NEW): Free Software Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/foss_stuff.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/foss_stuff.gmi
16:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Free Software Leftovers
16:27 TR News; Microsoft quality https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/27/ms-sql-servers-hacked-ransomware/
16:27 TR Bot; MS SQL servers are getting hacked to deliver ransomware to orgs - Help Net Security
16:28 TR News; Why async Rust https://blog.yoshuawuyts.com/why-async-rust/
16:28 TR Bot; Why Async Rust
16:31 starstreak; https://debugpointnews.com/no-pop-os-22-10/
16:31 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://debugpointnews.com/no-pop-os-22-10/ )
16:31 schestowitz[TR]; rust bs
16:33 starstreak; whats wrong with rust?
16:33 MinceR; trademark policy, MICROS~1 control, "move fast and break things"
16:34 MinceR; it's also pushed as a C++ replacement, but it's not capable enough
16:34 starstreak; i once had a chat with someone who said that golang sucked because it wasn't rust
16:34 MinceR; yes, stupid people exist
16:34 MinceR; golang sucks because it's a bondage-and-discipline language
16:34 starstreak; fair enough
16:34 MinceR; which reminds me
16:34 MinceR; rust sucks because it's a bondage-and-discipline language
16:34 starstreak; i didn't know microsoft controlled rust
16:35 starstreak; my first thought is, whats the point of buying a book on rust if they move fast and break things
16:39 MinceR; monitor support
16:39 MinceR; kindling
16:39 MinceR; weapon against arthropods
16:40 MinceR; books on rust are surprisingly versatile!
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16:59 MinceR; (cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/TQF0wys
16:59 TR Bot; I think I've been adopted. What now. - rimgo
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 77.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 123.75
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17:48 starstreak; https://youtu.be/_i-eG5pPnAA
17:48 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_i-eG5pPnAA
17:48 TR Bot; yewtu.be | My Second Mayoral Debate - Invidious
17:57 starstreak; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTxRF5ag27A
17:57 TR Bot; https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=uTxRF5ag27A
17:57 TR Bot; inv.bp.projectsegfau.lt | Bjarne Stroustrup: C++ | Lex Fridman Podcast #48 - Invidious
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18:34 *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@ha7wkf69s3ddk.irc) has joined #techrights
18:35 techuser; hi
18:38 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> my first thought is, whats the point of buying a book on rust if they move fast and break things <- s/buying a book on\ //
18:38 highest_cubist_thrills; the point is to control projects written in itthe point is to control projects written in it
18:38 highest_cubist_thrills; the point of everything microsoft does is to control users and control competition
18:38 highest_cubist_thrills; rust fits right in with that
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; its not a programming language, its a webapi in programming languages clothing-- your program is broken, make these changes
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; fuck freedom 1, fuck freedom 3, you want to play, play by our rules
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; rust controls software written in rust
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; to a lesser degree, python 3 does the same
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; to an INSIGNIFICANT degree, all non-standardised languages have the potential to do this
18:40 highest_cubist_thrills; but you can weaponise it, do it significantly, and rust is the king of this
18:40 highest_cubist_thrills; you buy a computer, its already obsolete, you write a program in rust
18:40 highest_cubist_thrills; its already broken
18:40 highest_cubist_thrills; gee thats a nice program you got there
18:41 highest_cubist_thrills; be a shame if upstream came along and broke it. AGAIN.
18:42 highest_cubist_thrills; "we make [developers] paint [their] face and dance"-- john lennon
18:42 highest_cubist_thrills; then wonder why if they dont love us!
18:44 highest_cubist_thrills; when languages have real standards, this isnt a yoke, the yoke is broken
18:44 highest_cubist_thrills; c++, fucking mess that it is, as far as i know doesnt really do this to people
18:44 highest_cubist_thrills; taking 20 years to break something no one uses is standard as fuck
18:45 highest_cubist_thrills; rust is the opposite of this-- as far as i know its the worst language about this in existence, certainly among languages relevant to free software
18:49 highest_cubist_thrills; but if something that's simple and works and wasn't updated for 1 year, we'll scream that it's "UNMAINTAINED" and replace it with something "modern" <- yeah because software has to be taken over
18:50 highest_cubist_thrills; writing software thats stable and hasnt had real problems in a year, that doesnt benefit microsoft in the long run
18:50 highest_cubist_thrills; breaking software to the point where it gathers bugs that create actual crises for users and stability, so that corporations can swoop in to save the day
18:51 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft is the like the proverbial (and sadly, existant) fireman that sets a fire so he can "heroically" put it out
18:51 highest_cubist_thrills; gee thats a nice project you got there
18:51 highest_cubist_thrills; be a shame if someone had to set it ablaze so we could sell our anti-fire services
18:52 highest_cubist_thrills; rust is a treadmill
18:54 highest_cubist_thrills; even worse, is that not only does this technical abomination exist
18:54 highest_cubist_thrills; but it creates a new normal of shit being broken-- or rather an old normal
18:55 highest_cubist_thrills; free software ALLOWED people to develop tools for making software that didnt yoke them to the self-serving whims of corporations
18:55 highest_cubist_thrills; github, wildly anti-standard "languages" (clownapis) like rust
18:56 highest_cubist_thrills; recreate microsoft culture: every project is at war with every other project, just like the departments at microsoft (under ballmer) were constantly trying to fuck each other
18:57 highest_cubist_thrills; free software becomes a huge civil war-- gnome fucks xfce, rust fucks everything written in it, users form mobs to take out leaders
18:57 highest_cubist_thrills; every project is toxic now-- in a VERY deliberately corporate way
18:57 highest_cubist_thrills; its not just the technology thats been taken over
18:57 highest_cubist_thrills; the culture has been gutted, spliced, re-educated
18:58 highest_cubist_thrills; and rust totally accomplishes at least part of that
18:58 highest_cubist_thrills; war is peace, freedom is slavery, forever broken is well-maintained
18:58 highest_cubist_thrills; rust is a disease
18:58 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR> books on rust are surprisingly versatile!
18:58 schestowitz[TR]; just what Linus needs
18:58 highest_cubist_thrills; nothing is better maintained than systemd
18:58 schestowitz[TR]; rust is a fad
18:59 schestowitz[TR]; who will maintain that junk?
18:59 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, you have to basically get out and push just to keep it in the air
18:59 schestowitz[TR]; so many people resigned from the core team and other teams thius past year
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 128.08
18:59 highest_cubist_thrills; so LOTS of people are maintaining the fuck out of it
18:59 schestowitz[TR]; SJVN: this is what LF pays me to say we need
18:59 highest_cubist_thrills; so many people resigned from the core team and other teams thius past year <- oh well thats the other thing
18:59 schestowitz[TR]; sign of health!
19:00 schestowitz[TR]; it moves so fast
19:00 schestowitz[TR]; like mjg59_ moves from one job to the next
19:00 highest_cubist_thrills; when your m.o. is to break everything that actually worked
19:00 schestowitz[TR]; yesh
19:00 highest_cubist_thrills; its a lot easier to drag people from one broken one-solution-fits-all to another one
19:00 schestowitz[TR]; matlab CAN be like this
19:00 schestowitz[TR]; major overhauls too often
19:00 schestowitz[TR]; no worry
19:00 schestowitz[TR]; just keep LICENSIJNG the latyest version
19:00 highest_cubist_thrills; so when they get tired of systemd, strap in, its time for users to have no choice "again"
19:00 schestowitz[TR]; and pray the licence server stays up
19:00 highest_cubist_thrills; youll use what microsoft fucking tells you
19:01 highest_cubist_thrills; and youll fucking LOVE it
19:01 highest_cubist_thrills; or youre a bigot / neckbeard / greybeard
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; coming soon rust 2
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; 3
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; 4
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; 5
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; 6
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; 6...
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; 1365
19:01 highest_cubist_thrills; no apologies to sikhs for "neckbeard"
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; 136
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; seen that before
19:01 schestowitz[TR]; rust release every 6 weeks
19:02 schestowitz[TR]; becaue last release had bugs
19:02 schestowitz[TR]; new one has fewer KNOWN bugs
19:02 schestowitz[TR]; and 5,000 new lines of code
19:02 highest_cubist_thrills; rust: BOHICA
19:02 schestowitz[TR]; lines removed: 5
19:02 schestowitz[TR]; to fix 5 bugs in 5 weeks
19:02 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd: BOHICA
19:02 highest_cubist_thrills; the great thing about linux being recreated in rusts image of course
19:03 highest_cubist_thrills; is that linux will finally die
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft media:
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; there is a new Linux hole
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; it's actually systemd bug
19:03 highest_cubist_thrills; the bad thing about this of course
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; but we can call it "Linux"
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; soon: same for rust
19:03 highest_cubist_thrills; is that when they use it to kill linux (the kernel)
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; Linux has a major hole
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; you: but.. this is a RUST hole
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; them: yes, but Linus uses rust
19:03 highest_cubist_thrills; linux is a major hole, and its made by major holes
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; patch immediatelyu!
19:03 schestowitz[TR]; polkit is linus
19:04 schestowitz[TR]; rust is linus
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; is that when they use it to kill linux (the kernel) <- they will also get people to kill everything (slight exaggeration, doesnt matter)
19:04 schestowitz[TR]; i keep typing linus instead of linux
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; PORD <- patch or repair daily
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; i keep typing linus instead of linux <- its "linucks"
19:04 schestowitz[TR]; btw
19:04 schestowitz[TR]; basically
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; yes
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; its linucks btw
19:04 schestowitz[TR]; attack surface!
19:04 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak:
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> attack surface! <- ew
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; its not cute when you do it
19:05 highest_cubist_thrills; certainly less so
19:05 schestowitz[TR]; attack Micosoft(RM) Surface(TM)
19:05 highest_cubist_thrills; you can try it on mjg though
19:05 TR News; (NEW): Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 Is Out for Your Phone and Tablet with a New Default Homescreen http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Plasma_Mobile_Gear_22_09_Is_Out_for_Your_Phone_and_Tablet.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Plasma_Mobile_Gear_22_09_Is_Out_for_Your_Phone_and_Tablet.gmi
19:05 highest_cubist_thrills; you both need to get it out of your system
19:05 TR Bot; Tux Machines Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 Is Out for Your Phone and Tablet with a New Default Homescreen
19:07 TR News; Linux SERVICE PACK 1 by Canonical https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-announces-ubuntu-22-04-lts-support-for-flexran-reference-software
19:07 TR Bot; Announces Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Support for FlexRAN Reference Software | Ubuntu
19:08 TR News; Microsoft as a Service.. for National 'Security' Boot Agency
19:09 TR News; How open-source data labeling technology can mitigate bias | VentureBeat https://venturebeat.com/ai/how-open-source-data-labeling-technology-can-mitigate-bias/ Source: Venture Beat | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//venturebeat.com/ai/how-open-source-data-labeling-technology-can-mitigate-bias/
19:09 TR Bot; open-source data labeling technology can mitigate bias | VentureBeat
19:10 TR News; Count elevator passengers with the Nicla Vision and Edge Impulse | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/count-elevator-passengers-with-the-nicla-vision-and-edge-impulse/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/count-elevator-passengers-with-the-nicla-vision-and-edge-impulse/
19:10 TR Bot; Count elevator passengers with the Nicla Vision and Edge Impulse | Arduino Blog
19:11 TR News; Standalone Arduino Nano RP2040 Connect-controlled computer runs BASIC for IoT development | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/standalone-arduino-nano-rp2040-connect-controlled-computer-runs-basic-for-iot-development/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/standalone-arduino-nano-rp2040-connect-controlled-computer-runs-basic-for-iot-dev
19:11 TR Bot; Standalone Arduino Nano RP2040 Connect-controlled computer runs BASIC for IoT development | Arduino Blog
19:17 TR News; (NEW): Saving Money with Linux: Computer Off, No Power Usage? http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Saving_Money_with_Linux_Computer_Off_No_Power_Usage.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Saving_Money_with_Linux_Computer_Off_No_Power_Usage.gmi
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19:17 TR Bot; Tux Machines Saving Money with Linux: Computer Off, No Power Usage?
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19:22 TR News; Readline version 8.2 (stable) released on 26 September 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Readline
19:22 TR Bot; Readline - Free Software Directory
19:23 TR News; (NEW): Bash-5.2 Release available http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Bash_5_2_Release_available.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Bash_5_2_Release_available.gmi
19:23 TR Bot; Tux Machines Bash-5.2 Release available
19:24 TR News; Hype at the buzzwords,endorsed by Microsoft frauds (Gartner) https://containerjournal.com/features/getting-started-with-kubernetes-at-the-edge/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
19:24 TR Bot; Getting Started With Kubernetes at the Edge - Container Journal
19:24 TR Bot; Gartner Group - Techrights
19:25 TR News; Conflating Linux with clown computing stupidity https://www.darkreading.com/application-security/defenders-prepared-cyberattacks-linux-cloud-migration Source: Dark Reading | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.darkreading.com/application-security/defenders-prepared-cyberattacks-linux-cloud-migration
19:25 TR Bot; Defenders Be Prepared: Cyberattacks Surge Against Linux Amid Cloud Migration
19:26 MinceR; https://apina.biz/192146.jpg?mode=sfw
19:26 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/192146.jpg
19:27 TR News; Another fool shaming everyone into outsourcing your operations, pretending that rents are cheaper than ownership, aside from other issues https://containerjournal.com/features/you-cant-afford-to-not-be-in-the-cloud/
19:27 TR Bot; You Cant Afford To Not Be in the Cloud - Container Journal
19:27 starstreak; <schestowitz[TR]> attack surface! <- ATTACK SURFACE!
19:27 starstreak; Linucks
19:27 schestowitz[TR]; man with mic meme
19:28 starstreak; "I'm your worst nightmare" -ESR
19:29 TR News; OSGeoLive 15 is out. Web site not updated yet https://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html
19:29 TR Bot; Welcome to OSGeoLive 14.0 OSGeoLive 14.0 Documentation
19:30 schestowitz[TR]; what ever happened to the people who canceled ESR?
19:30 schestowitz[TR]; They vanished
19:30 schestowitz[TR]; doing nothing
19:30 schestowitz[TR]; people realised they're doing nothing
19:30 schestowitz[TR]; and so the world moved on
19:30 schestowitz[TR]; they're disposables
19:31 schestowitz[TR]; maybe that's the right word for them
19:31 schestowitz[TR]; "disposables"
19:31 schestowitz[TR]; corporations use them
19:31 schestowitz[TR]; and then throiw them away
19:31 schestowitz[TR]; like suicide bombers
19:31 schestowitz[TR]; in radical movements
19:32 TR News; LiLyGo T-SIMCAM ESP32-S3 camera development board supports optional 4G LTE connectivity - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/27/lilygo-t-simcam-esp32-s3-cam-development-board-4g-lte/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/27/lilygo-t-simcam-esp32-s3-cam-development-board-4g-lte/
19:32 TR Bot; LiLyGo T-SIMCAM ESP32-S3 camera development board supports optional 4G LTE connectivity - CNX Software
19:32 TR News; Useless junk, fake security, usually also surveillance https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-nfc-apps-for-android/
19:32 TR Bot; Top 5 Best NFC Apps for Android Devices in 2022
19:33 TR News; Always-working NFC, anonymous too: CASH
19:34 TR News; Power Efficiency?????????? THIS??????????????? Are we on the same planet? https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/593013165/amd-launches-ryzen-embedded-v3000-series-processors-delivering-new-levels-of-performance-and-power-efficiency-for-always-on-storage-and-networking
19:34 TR Bot; AMD Launches Ryzen Embedded V3000 Series Processors Delivering New Levels of Performance and Power Efficiency for Always-On Storage and Networking - EIN Presswire
19:35 psydroid2; AMDPOWER
19:35 TR News; AMD: "POWER EFFICIENCY!!!" .... "35-54W... 35-54W ...." Yeah!!! Some efficiency!!
19:35 schestowitz[TR]; psydroid2: https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/593013165/amd-launches-ryzen-embedded-v3000-series-processors-delivering-new-levels-of-performance-and-power-efficiency-for-always-on-storage-and-networking
19:35 schestowitz[TR]; only 54
19:35 schestowitz[TR]; a bulb, a bright one, can take 20 or 40
19:36 schestowitz[TR]; this isnjust the CPU
19:36 schestowitz[TR]; not the rest of the unity
19:36 schestowitz[TR]; *unit
19:36 schestowitz[TR]; not GPU, either
19:36 schestowitz[TR]; no screen, no peripherals
19:36 psydroid2; schestowitz[TR], I talked to some people about it yesterday including a hardware person who has been designing boards for embedded systems and servers
19:36 psydroid2; he seems to agree with me that this is the end of x86
19:37 psydroid2; and that is a legacy platform that will end up in servers
19:37 TR News; Ubuntu is not an "invention"; it's Debian with another name and some staff that customises it. https://www.thesouthafrican.com/technology/five-south-african-it-inventions-that-changed-the-world-breaking-27-september-2022/
19:37 TR Bot; Five South African IT inventions that changed the world
19:37 psydroid2; I have no plans to ever buy this hardware
19:37 psydroid2; the previous generation of AMD CPUs is much cheaper and uses less power
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; some still exist
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; over time they do feature churb, bloat
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; more cores
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; more power
19:38 psydroid2; so if you do have that compatibility requirement get that older and much cheaper generation
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; and they never stop and think how to make things leaner
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; no financial incentive to
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; then risc comes along
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; with mips
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; and they take over a while new range of devices
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; tablets, "smart""" phones
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; SBCs
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; then Intel makes "Atom"
19:39 schestowitz[TR]; to retrofit bad design to small things
19:39 schestowitz[TR]; and it doesn't work out
19:39 psydroid2; he also said cheap is what will rule the future of hardware
19:39 schestowitz[TR]; a 35 pound SBC
19:39 schestowitz[TR]; becomes $200 NUC or similar
19:39 psydroid2; and we have been seeing this is in SBCs and IoT hardware
19:39 schestowitz[TR]; x86 companies:
19:39 schestowitz[TR]; but it can run Windows
19:39 psydroid2; what is the worst part is that the Intel hardware doesn't perform any better
19:39 schestowitz[TR]; Phoronix funded by AMD: thanks Microsoft!!
19:40 psydroid2; https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/22/arm-is-the-new-risc-unix-risc-v-is-the-new-arm/
19:40 TR Bot; Arm Is The New RISC/Unix, RISC-V Is The New Arm
19:40 schestowitz[TR]; today: https://www.phoronix.com/news/RadeonSI-VCN-Async-Mesa-22.3
19:40 TR Bot; Microsoft: RadeonSI Enables Async VA-API For Faster Video Acceleration - Phoronix
19:40 schestowitz[TR]; phronix has just done THREE Intel articles in a ROW
19:40 psydroid2; when he isn't being a prick he can write some sensible articles
19:41 schestowitz[TR]; with their BROCHURES
19:41 schestowitz[TR]; the meat of the articles is their BROCHURES
19:41 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Arc-A770-October
19:41 TR Bot; Arc Graphics A770 Launching 12 October For $329 USD - Phoronix
19:41 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Core-13th-Gen-Raptor-Lake
19:41 TR Bot; Announces 13th Gen "Raptor Lake" - Linux Benchmarks To Come - Phoronix
19:41 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-On-Demand-Xeon-SDSi-SPR
19:41 TR Bot; Confirms "On Demand" Upgrades With Sapphire Rapids (Software Defined Silicon) - Phoronix
19:41 *schestowitz[TR] scratches head
19:41 psydroid2; PhoRonix
19:41 schestowitz[TR]; how is this about LINUX???
19:42 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=2022&image=arc_graphics_october
19:42 schestowitz[TR]; ad?
19:42 schestowitz[TR]; or article feature image?
19:42 psydroid2; the former
19:42 schestowitz[TR]; ;launch date
19:42 schestowitz[TR]; price..
19:42 schestowitz[TR]; lol, $329
19:42 schestowitz[TR]; just for a tiny processor
19:42 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, GPU
19:42 psydroid2; you can buy a few systems at this price
19:42 schestowitz[TR]; that performs VERY poorly
19:42 schestowitz[TR]; compared to the competition
19:43 schestowitz[TR]; people told Michael that... in the forums
19:43 psydroid2; I know I never spent more than 100 on a discrete GPU
19:43 psydroid2; the number one requirement being that it works with free drivers
19:43 schestowitz[TR]; the above 3 links are in a row
19:43 schestowitz[TR]; Intel, Intel, Intel
19:43 schestowitz[TR]; price and availability marketing shots
19:43 psydroid2; it's just my two high-end laptops have Nvidia graphics
19:43 schestowitz[TR]; maybe he takes it in both holes now
19:43 schestowitz[TR]; Intela nd AMD
19:43 schestowitz[TR]; x86 is the same though
19:43 schestowitz[TR]; it's homogenic
19:44 psydroid2; I don't know if you saw that presentation by Krste Asanovi that I linked yesterday
19:44 schestowitz[TR]; nvidia is bad also, but it's in the same category
19:44 schestowitz[TR]; of billions of transisitors
19:44 schestowitz[TR]; they don't even design it like that
19:44 schestowitz[TR]; they just 'copy-paste the same units
19:45 schestowitz[TR]; to make a massive wafer
19:45 schestowitz[TR]; and rely on small mm processes
19:45 schestowitz[TR]; and make more and more of the same
19:45 schestowitz[TR]; to multiply power usage, too
19:45 psydroid2; the future for Nvidia is also the enterprise
19:45 schestowitz[TR]; if they had sonwe low mm processses
19:45 schestowitz[TR]; and kept it simple
19:45 psydroid2; they are alienating their customer base on the client side
19:45 schestowitz[TR]; eleganet systems too
19:45 schestowitz[TR]; they could keep wattage near 1 watt
19:46 schestowitz[TR]; nvidia markets itself like this now
19:46 schestowitz[TR]; they use the wqord "workload"
19:46 schestowitz[TR]; and "industrial"
19:46 psydroid2; it makes me wonder if it is ignorance or malice that is at the root of this hunger for power
19:46 schestowitz[TR]; that'''s like judging germany heavy machinery by the weight
19:46 schestowitz[TR]; rather than function
19:46 schestowitz[TR]; 50tonne presser
19:46 psydroid2; it may still fly in the US, but in Europe this becoming a big no
19:46 schestowitz[TR]; part of it is waste
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; they are accustomed to cheeap energy
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; and then build accordingly
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; like plasmsa TVs
19:47 *schestowitz[TR] checks
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; EU banned them
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.technology.gelsonluz.com/2022/05/how-much-electricity-does-plasma-tv-use.html
19:47 TR Bot; How much electricity does a TV use (Plasma, LED, LCD and CRT)
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; 24-inch TV: uses about 20W watts.
19:47 psydroid2; someone in the EU must find a clue
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; 50-inch TV: needs 77 watts.
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; 55-inch TV: uses 98.6 watts.
19:47 psydroid2; at least I hope so
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; "For example, a CRT TV may need 3.4 watts per screen inch, while a plasma TV will need more than 9.4 watts per inch.
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; "
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; !!!
19:47 schestowitz[TR]; wow!!!
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; no wodner eu banned that
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; sort ofg
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; *of
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; even before the energy deficits
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; and now we have a blown gas pipe
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; who knows what happens next
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; rolling blackouts?
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; 5-inch plasma=300 watts
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; 300!!
19:48 schestowitz[TR]; 42-inch plasma: 220 watts
19:49 TR News; Pwndrop on Linode | Linux Journal https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/pwndrop-linode Source: Linux Journal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxjournal.com/content/pwndrop-linode
19:49 TR Bot; Pwndrop on Linode | Linux Journal
19:50 schestowitz[TR]; /s/5/50/
19:50 schestowitz[TR]; we build and buy products for showoff
19:50 schestowitz[TR]; based on false assumption of energy price and availability
19:50 psydroid2; I already said so many years ago
19:50 schestowitz[TR]; me: what happens if the price quadruples?
19:50 schestowitz[TR]; then what/
19:50 schestowitz[TR]; who wqould buy iut from you???
19:50 psydroid2; my first PC had a Pentium 200 MMX and didn't make much noise or dissipated a lot of heat
19:51 psydroid2; then I got a desktop with an AMD Athlon and years later the Loongson desktop
19:51 schestowitz[TR]; I had 166 mmx
19:51 psydroid2; I really liked that latter machine, but there was no follow up
19:51 schestowitz[TR]; the fan made some sound
19:51 schestowitz[TR]; but fans are just rotational
19:52 schestowitz[TR]; they even scatter some heat inside the room
19:52 psydroid2; so it took another decade until I got my first ARM SBC in 2017
19:52 schestowitz[TR]; I still use Athlon
19:52 schestowitz[TR]; Intel Celeron becomes "Intel PRocessor"
19:52 schestowitz[TR]; because the brand got toxic
19:53 schestowitz[TR]; associate with really really bad
19:53 schestowitz[TR]; and unfit for anything
19:53 schestowitz[TR]; just takes up lots of power
19:53 schestowitz[TR]; no reason to really manufacture those
19:53 schestowitz[TR]; Atom is dead those
19:53 schestowitz[TR]; well, it's dead
19:53 schestowitz[TR]; so they now have "Intel Processor"
19:53 schestowitz[TR]; generic name
19:53 schestowitz[TR]; "Colllgate Toothpaste"
19:53 psydroid2; I gave that Athlon machine to my sister when I built a new desktop with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 and later one with an AMD Phenom X4
19:53 psydroid2; those are collecting dust now, because it doesn't make sense to run them anymore
19:54 schestowitz[TR]; "What PC are you using?"
19:54 schestowitz[TR]; "Acer Laptop"
19:54 *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights
19:54 schestowitz[TR]; "yes, but which model?
19:54 schestowitz[TR]; Acer(R) Laptop(TM)
19:55 MinceR; it probably has an Intel(R) Processor(TM)
19:55 TR News; Understanding the "fork bomb" an 11 character string that can crash Windows, Mac, or Linux machines | Boing Boing https://boingboing.net/2022/09/27/understanding-the-fork-bomb-an-11-character-string-that-can-crash-windows-mac-or-linux-machines.html Source: BoingBoing
19:55 TR Bot; Understanding the "fork bomb" an 11 character string that can crash Windows, Mac, or Linux machines | Boing Boing
19:55 MinceR; nvm
19:55 MinceR; the industry doesn't like calling them laptops anymore, though
19:55 *betsy has quit (connection closed)
19:55 MinceR; they call them notebooks
19:56 MinceR; i wonder why
19:56 psydroid2; because you can write notes on them
19:56 psydroid2; while burning your lap
19:56 MinceR; maybe some of them have insufficient cooling and so they can get damaged and/or damage the user if they're used in the lap
19:56 MinceR; iirc there was some crApple crap that was advertised showing it used in people's laps but the documentation said you weren't supposed to do that
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19:58 TR News; Dabbling in CGI gemini://gemini.sh0.xyz/log/2022-09-27.gmi
19:59 DaemonFC; MinceR, You know, if The Doctor ever does regenerate and become a ginger, finally, that would make him a transginger.
19:59 DaemonFC; I wonder how mjg59_ would feel about the joke.
19:59 DaemonFC; *Shittering intensifies!*
19:59 MinceR; :>
19:59 MinceR; "only a ginger can call another ginger ginger"
19:59 TR News; What if The Sims were sentient? gemini://gemini.sh0.xyz/log/2022-09-25.gmi
20:01 TR News; "Read the damn contract. If you moved in and no one painted the apartment for you, then you don't need to paint it on the way out." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1139
20:01 DaemonFC; I was wanting mjg59_'s expert opinion about something before I finish blogging about GNOME 43. If he has a minute. I would like to know how I can work it in that Polari, the IRC client of GNOME, can't remember nickserv and SASL passwords without offending the trans people. Only transphobes criticize GNOME, you know.
20:02 DaemonFC; They call her Molly de Blanc so you have a fairly accurate depiction of her mental state.
20:03 DaemonFC; "You know, when we gang up on people we disagree with, we can push them around and bully them!" -de Blanc
20:03 DaemonFC; This is the mjg59_ crowd.
20:03 schestowitz[TR]; shitter brigade
20:03 schestowitz[TR]; birds of feather flock tother
20:03 schestowitz[TR]; while other people get shit done
20:04 schestowitz[TR]; like delivering a pizza
20:04 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1565911338299232257
20:04 TR Bot; You utter fucking piece of shit https://t.co/CNsfkFhGn6
20:04 TR Bot; This is incredibly sad news. Peter is one of the true defenders of the Internet. https://t.co/hbL5c6qe4a
20:04 schestowitz[TR]; RMS is rude
20:04 schestowitz[TR]; the community is impolite
20:04 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ should appointed police here
20:04 schestowitz[TR]; no anger management issues
20:06 schestowitz[TR]; he once asked me for access to the back end of a server
20:06 MinceR; ew
20:06 schestowitz[TR]; like I would grant him this...
20:06 schestowitz[TR]; said he would investtiage the back end
20:06 schestowitz[TR]; of tux machines
20:06 schestowitz[TR]; which he does not even understand
20:06 schestowitz[TR]; had to explain to him perl is used only to make static pages
20:06 schestowitz[TR]; code reading comperension deficit
20:07 DaemonFC; I've had some pretty nasty hacks in place to work around Fedora OS bugs before that I would generally not recommend to other people.
20:07 DaemonFC; I wonder what mjg59_ would have said during "code review".
20:07 schestowitz[TR]; oh btw
20:07 schestowitz[TR]; if I complain that mjg59_ calls people "tter fucking piece of shit"
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; the cocommitee would accuse ME
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; of "speech policing"
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; tbhey have their terms sorted out
20:08 *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; so it[''s never their faul
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; and I obstruct their cursing
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; I police their speech
20:08 schestowitz[TR]; like they want me to do to others
20:08 TR News; Hmm :/ "SPONSORED CONTENT" https://insidehpc.com/2022/09/how-the-hpc-ai-rocky-linux-server-operating-system-rose-from-the-centos-ashes/
20:08 TR Bot; the HPC-AI Rocky Linux Server Operating System Rose from the CentOS Ashes - High-Performance Computing News Analysis | insideHPC
20:09 DaemonFC; For the most part, I just stick to chat networks without a "CoC". That way people just act like adults instead of some spoiled rich manbaby like mjg59_.
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20:10 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Element is not a "web app".
20:11 TR News; XeroLinux could be the most beautiful Linux desktop on the market https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/XeroLinux_Review_Fusion_of_Arch_and_KDE_Plasma.shtml
20:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines XeroLinux Review: Fusion of Arch and KDE Plasma (UPDATED)
20:11 DaemonFC; Parts of it work in non-Chrome browsers, but it's blocking the voice and video chats now.
20:11 DaemonFC; Even in browsers that have all of the APIs it needs.
20:11 DaemonFC; It goes through poking around to find out what browser you use and disables things or locks you out of Element entirely, even if your browser can run it.
20:12 DaemonFC; They seem to be trying to use "Maximum Pressure" in this "Free Software" to make people give up and either use their Electron app or Chrome itself.
20:12 TR News; Gadget Watch: Steam Deck, the Linux-powered games console https://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/gadget-master/gadget-watch/gadget-watch-steam-deck-the-linux-powered-games-console-2022-09/ Source: Electronics Weekly | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/gadget-master/gadget-watch/gadget-watch-steam-deck-the-linux-powered-games-console-2022-09/
20:12 TR Bot; Gadget Watch: Steam Deck, the Linux-powered games console
20:13 DaemonFC; It tries to block SeaMonkey. Fedora's patches to SeaMonkey bypass Element's block, but the latest version has changed it so things don't always work right without GULAG WebComponents.
20:13 TR News; Apptainer itself can be a security liability https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/09/n29037775/apptainer-1-1-0-a-linux-foundation-project-formerly-singularity-arrives-with-added-security-featur
20:13 TR Bot; 1.1.0, a Linux Foundation project (formerly Singularity), Arrives With Added Security Features and Build Improvements - Benzinga
20:14 DaemonFC; This is crazy.
20:14 psydroid2; Matrix in GULAG's backpocket?
20:14 *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights
20:14 psydroid2; or Element rather
20:14 DaemonFC; Then if that's not bad enough, some of the local "trans" moderators have gone on a tear banning other home servers because like one person out of thousands said something they don't like.
20:15 DaemonFC; Matrix.org is walling itself off.
20:15 DaemonFC; <psydroid2> or Element rather
20:15 DaemonFC; It's the matrix.org people who are maintaining Element.
20:16 DaemonFC; So they obviously have a clear preference for Chrome and want to make sure it doesn't work right for anyone else.
20:16 psydroid2; when I have the right hardware I'll run my own homeserver
20:16 psydroid2; I don't know why anyone would have a preference for Chrome
20:16 DaemonFC; It only lets GNOME Web in because it thinks it's Safari and then it tells you that you can't make voice or video calls even though WebRTC works.
20:16 psydroid2; I never use it
20:16 *betsy has quit (connection closed)
20:17 DaemonFC; "With the technology itself, theres design and usability issues. FOSS can just be hard, or not work. The FOSS community has a lot of problems, and talking about them would become quite long (and this is already quite long :))." [...] "One of the first steps we must take is to understand that we cannot build technology that works for everyone without everyone being involved." -Molly de Blanc
20:18 TR News; Bribing Linus after he recommended AMD and ARM https://amp.hothardware.com/news/pat-gelsinger-bestows-linus-torvalds-with-intels-first-innovation-award
20:18 TR Bot; Pat Gelsinger Bestows Linux Creator Linus Torvalds With Intel's First Innovation Award | HotHardware
20:18 TR News; (NEW): BellSoft introduces Alpaquita Cloud Native Platform and Alpaquita Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/BellSoft_introduces_Alpaquita_Cloud_Native_Platform_and_Alpaqui.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/BellSoft_introduces_Alpaquita_Cloud_Native_Platform_and_Alpaqui.gmi
20:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines BellSoft introduces Alpaquita Cloud Native Platform and Alpaquita Linux
20:18 DaemonFC; I guess her definition of involve everyone is throw out anyone who expresses a mild disapproval of like 0.1% of the population.
20:18 DaemonFC; Which would be mjg59_'s position too.
20:18 DaemonFC; So basically, more than two-thirds of the public should be banned from open source software because 0.1% might get their feelings hurt.
20:19 DaemonFC; Approval of trans people has historically polled quite low, across party lines and political beliefs.
20:19 schestowitz[TR]; the goal is to destabilise efforts
20:19 schestowitz[TR]; and projects
20:19 DaemonFC; Even among political progressives, it's less than half.
20:19 schestowitz[TR]; in the name of people you don't speak for
20:19 schestowitz[TR]; mjg59_ speaks for trans people as much as I do
20:19 DaemonFC; So they mean to throw out damned near everybody.
20:19 schestowitz[TR]; we are "equally trans"
20:20 schestowitz[TR]; but anywayt,, focus on the technical issues
20:20 schestowitz[TR]; he did many bad things
20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
20:20 schestowitz[TR]; technically, ethically, legally
20:20 DaemonFC; There's a difference between "approval" and "tolerating".
20:20 schestowitz[TR]; don't focus on his "edge"
20:20 DaemonFC; I tolerate trans people.
20:20 psydroid2; exclude everyone
20:20 DaemonFC; I can tolerate a head cold too, you know.
20:20 *psydroid2 wants to be excluded all the time
20:20 schestowitz[TR]; head cols hurt
20:20 schestowitz[TR]; trans people don't hurt
20:20 schestowitz[TR]; just staat home
20:20 schestowitz[TR]; so bad analogy
20:21 DaemonFC; "Tolerate" doesn't mean that I have to approve of something. Just, it's there and I can't do anything about it.
20:21 schestowitz[TR]; i asked him this morning what his parentsd think of it
20:21 schestowitz[TR]; and he didn not answer what I asked
20:21 psydroid2; "you are an excluded person 100% of time"
20:21 schestowitz[TR]; he changes the question
20:21 psydroid2; of the*
20:21 schestowitz[TR]; so who knows what his parents thought about it
20:21 schestowitz[TR]; i said,
20:21 schestowitz[TR]; m,aybe they tolerate that as much as DaemonFC's parents support his gayness
20:22 schestowitz[TR]; they doin't
20:22 schestowitz[TR]; it's their son
20:22 schestowitz[TR]; they learne to tolerate it
20:22 schestowitz[TR]; and his partner
20:22 DaemonFC; When the court handed down their despicable ruling and a probation officer asked how I felt about her, I gave her the same reply Kirk did to the Klingon commander in Star Trek. "You're here. There's nothing I can do about it.". She said, "That's a good attitude.". The Klingon said, "Good. Honest hatred. Very refreshing.".
20:22 schestowitz[TR]; based on storties, ryan's mom was not willing to help with immigratyionm
20:22 DaemonFC; So it sailed right over her head I guess.
20:22 schestowitz[TR]; if it was some america girl, she would bend all over herself
20:22 schestowitz[TR]; *american
20:23 DaemonFC; Passive-aggressive. Just kind of stay on the sidelines and hope I fail all by myself.
20:23 DaemonFC; Occasional snide remark.
20:23 cubexyz; Errand of Mercy, if I recall it right
20:23 DaemonFC; That's all I've gotten from my parents.
20:23 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, back to tech now
20:24 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: yeah
20:24 schestowitz[TR]; they just about tolerate gays
20:24 schestowitz[TR]; just about
20:24 schestowitz[TR]; if it's family
20:24 schestowitz[TR]; who knows what they say BEHIND your back
20:24 cubexyz; I heard that win11 encrypts it's partitions automatically
20:24 schestowitz[TR]; 'encrypt'
20:24 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft has the keys
20:24 schestowitz[TR]; and it bricks things, a lot
20:25 cubexyz; yes
20:25 schestowitz[TR]; so it controls all your data too
20:25 schestowitz[TR]; the OS is a Trojan horse
20:25 schestowitz[TR]; for them to take over your whole life
20:25 schestowitz[TR]; VIsta 12: we also scan all your file
20:25 schestowitz[TR]; you arer presumed terrorist who rapes kids
20:25 schestowitz[TR]; "we must check you are NOT"
20:26 schestowitz[TR]; TSA: the mandatory prove you're not a terrorist checkpoint
20:26 schestowitz[TR]; "prove you don't put tnt in your testoicles
20:26 schestowitz[TR]; "let us touch just in case..."
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; "don't worry, we wear rubber gloves';
20:27 cubexyz; hackers will hack UEFI or windows though
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; ("we also hire some pedophiles and ignore reports of that")
20:27 cubexyz; removing the auto-encryption
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; that happened
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; UEFI got ceracked many times
20:27 psydroid2; hackers can come and hack my windows and steal my UEFI
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; inc. 'seucre' boot
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; it's not about security
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; it's about NSA?Microsoft remotely controlling your whole lie
20:27 schestowitz[TR]; via your PC
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_and_the_NSA
20:28 TR Bot; Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; *life
20:28 cubexyz; people need to be able to turn of secure boot if necessary
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; using a lie ;-)
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; the lie of "protecting you"
20:28 cubexyz; off
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; "we need remote control to your machine... for your own preotection"
20:28 schestowitz[TR]; "protecting you from yourself"
20:29 schestowitz[TR]; "we also assassinate people"
20:29 *psydroid2 has secure boot and tpm turned off on all his laptops that unfortunately come with UEFI
20:30 TR News; 'The Linux Experiment' has jumped the shark. After cancelling RMS by signing a defamatory letter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJdHAJnKqFs
20:30 TR Bot; https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=tJdHAJnKqFs
20:30 TR Bot; inv.riverside.rocks | MICROSOFT isn't the ENEMY of Linux and FOSS anymore, but it's no friend either... - Invidious
20:31 psydroid2; MICROSOFT is a friend in need, a friend indeed
20:31 MinceR; a friend with weed?
20:31 psydroid2; a friend that shoots friendly fire is better
20:31 psydroid2; yes
20:31 MinceR; "with friends like these, who needs enemies?"
20:32 TR News; 0 A.D. Alpha 26 Released! How to Install in Ubuntu 22.04 via PPA | UbuntuHandbook https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/09/0ad-alpha-26-ubuntu-2204-ppa/ Source: Ubuntu Handbook | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/09/0ad-alpha-26-ubuntu-2204-ppa/
20:32 TR Bot; 0 A.D. Alpha 26 Released! How to Install in Ubuntu 22.04 via PPA | UbuntuHandbook
20:32 TR News; "After a first release on the Epic Games Store in 2021, Kena Bridge of Spirits, is making its debut on Steam for the first time today on the 27th of September. I took it for a quick spin to see how well it would run on Linux. You have the answer below in video." https://boilingsteam.com/kena-bridge-of-spirits-released-on-steam-today-runs-fine-on-linux-with-proton/
20:32 TR Bot; Kena Bridge of Spirits, Released on Steam Today, Runs Fine on Linux with Proton - Boiling Steam
20:33 TR News; It just gets marked as "deleted" https://www.addictivetips.com/messaging/how-to-delete-telegram-account/
20:33 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/messaging/how-to-delete-telegram-account/ )
20:33 cubexyz; I've seen win7 machines get trashed...
20:34 cubexyz; you connect to the internet and then... ""Failure configuring Windows updates. Reverting changes. Do not turn
20:34 cubexyz; off your computer."
20:34 cubexyz; and it just grinds away on the hard drive indefinitely
20:34 TR News; Archcraft 2022.09.16 overview | Yet another minimal Linux distribution, based on Arch Linux. - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EU6yMHTht9U | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/EU6yMHTht9U
20:34 TR Bot; Archcraft 2022.09.16 overview | Yet another minimal Linux distribution, based on Arch Linux. - Invidious
20:35 cubexyz; so I replaced it with various different Linux distros on some customers computers
20:35 TR News; It is utterly dumb to promote Microsoft crap for Linux, more so bloated junk that Microsoft officially abandoned, which means it's abandoned and orphaned https://www.linuxtechi.com/install-atom-text-editor-on-ubuntu/
20:35 TR Bot; How to Install Atom Text Editor on Ubuntu 22.04
20:36 cubexyz; you have to air gap old windows machines, for security and to just use old software
20:39 TR News; Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 is Out - Plasma Mobile https://plasma-mobile.org/2022/09/27/plasma-mobile-gear-22-09/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//plasma-mobile.org/2022/09/27/plasma-mobile-gear-22-09/
20:39 TR Bot; Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 is Out - Plasma Mobile
20:39 DaemonFC; I doubt anyone was still gunning for Windows 98 near the end. You could reduce the attack surface a lot just by running RoM II SE on it and gutting it of IE, Outlook, VBScript, JScript, etc.
20:40 DaemonFC; It removed well over half of the "OS".
20:40 cubexyz; I see the odd XP box still
20:40 TR News; Linux will be ruined by Rust over the next 10 years. Too late now. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220927131518.30000-1-ojeda@kernel.org/ see http://techrights.org/2022/09/21/going-rusty-faster/
20:40 TR Bot; [PATCH v10 00/27] Rust support - Miguel Ojeda
20:40 TR Bot; The Life of Linux Will Be Shortened by a Misguided Adoption of Rust | Techrights
20:41 DaemonFC; I assume you could use a firewall and unbind the rather stupid things from the network adapter, and install all the hotfixes that still applied to the remainder of the OS, and install KernelEx.
20:41 DaemonFC; That would be an interesting system.
20:41 DaemonFC; Part Windows 9x, part Windows "XP/Vista" by way of Wine. No IE and crap.
20:41 TR News; Why does linuxtoday shill proprietary software of Microsoft? https://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/how-to-integrate-github-and-jira/
20:41 TR Bot; How to Integrate GitHub and Jira | Linux Today
20:41 DaemonFC; mjg59_ doesn't like this sort of thing.
20:41 DaemonFC; He thinks that extending your OS is always malicious.
20:42 cubexyz; what about WINE?
20:42 DaemonFC; Windows 98 could run most software up through like 2013 or so with KernelEx patched into the Windows 98 kernel.
20:42 DaemonFC; I doubt that current VLC or anything still works.
20:42 TR News; Clown computing https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/27/cisa-updates-advisory-threat-actors-exploiting-multiple-cves
20:42 TR Bot; CISA Updates Advisory on Threat Actors Exploiting Multiple CVEs Against Zimbra Collaboration Suite | CISA
20:42 DaemonFC; You _might_ be able to get one of those Goanna browsers that still targets XP working.
20:44 cubexyz; I just don't bother with windows for personal use, I'm totally done with it
20:44 TR News; (NEW): WordPress 6.1 Beta 2 Now Available http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/WordPress_6_1_Beta_2_Now_Available.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/WordPress_6_1_Beta_2_Now_Available.gmi
20:44 TR Bot; Tux Machines WordPress 6.1 Beta 2 Now Available
20:44 TR News; x86 trash inside Linux https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/27/obsolete_amd_acpi_fix/
20:45 TR Bot; Removing an obsolete AMD fix makes Linux kernel 6 quicker The Register
20:45 cubexyz; it just keeps getting worse
20:46 TR News; How to infest Debian with Microsoft malware that has de facto back doors https://www.linuxcapable.com/install-microsoft-teams-on-debian-11-bullseye/
20:46 TR Bot; to Install Microsoft Teams on Debian 11 Bullseye - LinuxCapable
20:47 TR News; iTWire - Optus chief under pressure to quit over handling of breach https://itwire.com/security/optus-chief-under-pressure-to-quit-over-handling-of-breach.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/security/optus-chief-under-pressure-to-quit-over-handling-of-breach.html
20:47 cubexyz; MinceR, you'll find this interesting:
20:47 TR Bot; - Optus chief under pressure to quit over handling of breach
20:47 cubexyz; MX Linux 21 remains a systemd-free GNU/Linux distribution featuring SysVinit as default init system""
20:47 cubexyz; it's not bad, I've got it on one box
20:47 TR News; "More than a set of techniques to improve individual fitness, Johann Friedrich Ludwig Christoph Jahns gymnastics were meant to train a new form of body politic." https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/hamann-turner/
20:47 TR Bot; The Turns of the *Turnverein*: Heinrich Hamanns Gymnastic Photographs (ca. 1902) The Public Domain Review
20:48 TR News; many Fedora services offline today. Well done, ICBM. Nuke away?
20:48 MinceR; cubexyz: good
20:49 TR News; Fedora: "1gb internal switches will be upgraded. 30min outage is likely during this time period." That's a very long time for a switch upgrade and ICBM has no money for hot spares or HA?
20:51 TR News; Rust is insensitive: uses offensive terms, "On Friday, 14 October, we will discuss how to deal with "disabled tests" (can we report Rust to Microsoft GitHub for CoC violation?) https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/09/23/compiler-team-sep-oct-steering-cycle.html
20:51 TR Bot; Rust Compiler Early October 2022 Steering Cycle | Inside Rust Blog
20:51 schestowitz[TR]; "disabled tests" = offensive
20:51 schestowitz[TR]; discuss.
20:51 schestowitz[TR]; :-)
20:52 TR News; Using smart home tech to care for your pets | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/using-smart-home-tech-to-care-for-your-pets/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/using-smart-home-tech-to-care-for-your-pets/
20:52 TR Bot; Using smart home tech to care for your pets | Arduino Blog
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; nazi germany did "disabled tests"
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2019/07/16/haar-dark-historical-shadow/
20:52 TR Bot; EPO Looney Tunes Part 2: The Difficult Legacy and Its Dark Historical Shadow | Techrights
20:52 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
20:52 TR Bot; Aktion T4 - Wikipedia
20:54 TR News; 5 of the Best Solutions for Monitoring Website Changes - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/solutions-for-monitoring-website-changes/ Source: Make Tech Easier | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.maketecheasier.com/solutions-for-monitoring-website-changes/
20:54 TR Bot; 5 of the Best Solutions for Monitoring Website Changes - Make Tech Easier
20:55 TR News; "Back in April I wrote about issues with how we handle firmware in Debian, and I also spoke about it at DebConf in July. Since then, we've started the General Resolution process - this led to a lot of discussion on the the debian-vote mailing list and we're now into the second week of the voting phase." https://blog.einval.com/2022/09/27#firmware-vote
20:55 TR Bot; Steve's blog
20:55 MinceR; https://apina.biz/167259.jpg?mode=sfw
20:55 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/167259.jpg
20:56 TR News; Intel got many shills and corrupted 'journalists' doing puff pieces for it today, e.g. Timothy Prickett Morgan (paid shill for Intel and ICBM; he doesn't deny these bribes) https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/27/intel-to-broaden-fpga-lineup-and-make-them-at-home/
20:56 TR Bot; Intel To Broaden FPGA Lineup And Make Them At Home
20:57 DaemonFC; There are some reasons why you'd want to keep extending Windows 98. Not today, obviously, but throughout the 2000s.
20:57 TR News; Sean Michael Kerner also did a puff piece; his current employment "assigns" puff pieces to him... that's the business model (webspam) https://venturebeat.com/ai/intel-geti-and-openvino-efforts-advance-ai-and-computer-vision/
20:57 TR Bot; Geti and OpenVINO efforts advance AI and computer vision | VentureBeat
20:57 DaemonFC; Maybe updating to XP would be impossible because the hardware demands were too high.
20:57 DaemonFC; Maybe the hardware never got Linux drivers.
20:58 DaemonFC; Maybe Windows 98 was going to be the only OS that machine ever ran and it was find a way to extend it, or toss the machine.
20:58 TR News; When "press reports" become a product to be sold (companies buying 'articles' about themselves), then such "media" isn't worth having at all. All it does is, it distracts from honest writings.
20:58 DaemonFC; I ran across some XP machines that someone "upgraded" from Windows 98. The whole thing was a complete mess.
20:58 DaemonFC; The file systems never even got converted from FAT32!
20:59 DaemonFC; XP supported installing and running on FAT32 even though it was a terrible idea to run it like that, in the case of upgrade installations.
20:59 DaemonFC; But if you did a clean install, it was not allowed.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 58.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 91.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 119.58
20:59 DaemonFC; There was a conversion program.
20:59 TR News; Why Data Brokers Are After Your Personal Information And How Can You Stay Safe https://thishosting.rocks/why-data-brokers-are-after-your-personal-information-and-how-can-you-stay-safe/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//thishosting.rocks/why-data-brokers-are-after-your-personal-information-and-how-can-you-stay-safe/
20:59 TR Bot; Why Data Brokers Are After Your Personal Information And How Can You Stay Safe
20:59 MinceR; if you want a filesystem that doesn't suck, you'll need a free unix anyway
20:59 DaemonFC; I ended up running the conversion program then defragmenting the file system immediately.
20:59 DaemonFC; That took a while.
21:00 psydroid2; https://amp.hothardware.com/news/pat-gelsinger-bestows-linus-torvalds-with-intels-first-innovation-award
21:00 TR Bot; Pat Gelsinger Bestows Linux Creator Linus Torvalds With Intel's First Innovation Award | HotHardware
21:00 psydroid2; now we have not only Tim Sweeny but also Tim Sweezy
21:00 TR News; Proprietary software: severity 9.8 out of 10. "Successful exploitation could fully compromise the device." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-270-01
21:00 TR Bot; Hitachi Energy AFS660/AFS665 | CISA
21:01 psydroid2; I wonder where Tim Sleazy is hanging out
21:01 cubexyz; the win98 folks should have been looking at redhat 5.2
21:01 TR News; "Out-of-Bounds Write and Improper Authentication" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-270-02
21:01 TR Bot; Hitachi Energy APM Edge | CISA
21:01 cubexyz; I remember the era well
21:02 psydroid2; I didn't know anything about distributions until 1999 or so
21:02 psydroid2; when a relative showed me SuSE
21:02 TR News; RDP strikes again. Thanks, Microsoft! "Rockwell Automation reports this vulnerability affects the following versions of ThinManager ThinServer, a thin client and remote desktop protocol (RDP) server management software" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-270-03
21:02 TR Bot; Rockwell Automation ThinManager ThinServer | CISA
21:02 cubexyz; Ryerson Polytech started using Darkstar Linux in 1994
21:02 DaemonFC; You could get around the no FAT32 on clean install limit by creating a FAT32 volume and then telling XP to install to it.
21:03 psydroid2; so a year later I bought a SuSE 7.0 box
21:03 cubexyz; before that, I didn't see Linux
21:03 DaemonFC; It's just that the setup program would not offer to make one.
21:03 TR News; Hacktoberfes outsourced to PROPRIETARY software https://www.fosslife.org/hacktoberfest-2022-registration-now-open
21:03 TR Bot; Hacktoberfest 2022 Registration Now Open
21:03 starstreak; my first linucks was redhat 5.2
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21:04 TR News; EuroBSDcon 2022 | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP Czanik https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/eurobsdcon2022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//peter.czanik.hu/posts/eurobsdcon2022/
21:04 TR Bot; EuroBSDcon 2022 | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik
21:04 cubexyz; when did FAT32 come out?
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21:05 starstreak; win95?
21:05 cubexyz; 1996
21:05 cubexyz; ah, the bad old days
21:05 starstreak; i had fond memories of the 90s
21:05 starstreak; good old windows 3.11 which i ran in 96
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21:06 psydroid2; win9x was giving me so many problems from the very first day
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21:06 psydroid2; the first time I got a computer I had to learn to reinstall it 3 hours after unpacking it
21:07 cubexyz; I'm old enough to remember non microsoft computers
21:08 cubexyz; Atari ST, Amiga, CDC Viking 721 :)
21:08 TR News; WWWMalware Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2022/09/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_27.html Source: Gulag | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//chromereleases.googleblog.com/2022/09/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_27.html
21:08 TR Bot; Chrome Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop
21:08 starstreak; i still run windows 3.11, in dosbox-x
21:09 psydroid2; I had an MSX2 until 1997
21:09 psydroid2; my friends had Commodore, Atari and Nintendo
21:09 psydroid2; my uncle was the first person with a PC
21:10 psydroid2; in our family at least
21:10 cubexyz; oh I can remember before home computers
21:10 starstreak; i grew up with Nintendo
21:10 cubexyz; got a typewriter for my 10th birthday :)
21:11 psydroid2; I learned to type on a mechanical typewriter :)
21:11 psydroid2; later on my uncle gave me an electric typewriter
21:11 psydroid2; I actually used it a lot in secondary school
21:11 cubexyz; Commodore PET, TRS-80 and Apple II were the earliest "PCs" I saw
21:12 cubexyz; stores didn't sell any computers until about 1978-1979 or so
21:12 psydroid2; he had a VIC-20 and a C64
21:12 psydroid2; oh
21:13 cubexyz; before that there were DEC PDPs, I can remember the end of that era
21:14 TR News; Balanced Coverage in Phoronix Today | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/27/phoronix-promotional-ads/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/27/phoronix-promotional-ads/
21:14 TR Bot; Balanced Coverage in Phoronix Today | Techrights
21:14 schestowitz[TR]; ^ what MinceR said
21:14 schestowitz[TR]; psydroid2: michael not performing
21:14 psydroid2; I wasn't around yet in that era
21:15 cubexyz; yes, the bad old days... no GNU, no GCC, no internet
21:15 psydroid2; michael is an excellent businessman wearing a suit whenever it suits him
21:15 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], If I had to compare mjg59_ to a South Park character, it would be Garrison. Garrison was an awful teacher and he about got fired from the school a bunch of times. Then he realized if he was gay, nobody would fire him, so he was gay, and then when he realized he could sue the school if they fired him for being gay and get a ton of money, he used "Mr. Slave" to portray what a freak he was.
21:16 TR News; "After moving from rEFInd and Syslinux boot managers, to Limine, the "Fix broken video" menu entry got left out. I introduced this here..." https://bkhome.org/news/202209/fix-broken-video-entry-in-limine-menu.html
21:16 TR Bot; Fix broken video entry in Limine menu
21:16 DaemonFC; Then when the town "accepted" that, he admitted what he was up to the whole time and how stupid they were for going along with it.
21:16 DaemonFC; Then he had a sex change operation to become a woman, then decided he changed his mind, and had a genetically engineered penis made, and now he's Mr. Garrison again.
21:17 DaemonFC; Obviously, mjg59_ isn't all of that, but he uses his situation to his advantage, I think.
21:17 DaemonFC; To make it hard to criticize or take employment action against him,.
21:17 DaemonFC; Persecuted minority, this and that, and which is really the reason people don't like minorities.
21:17 DaemonFC; Because a couple bad apples try to get all sorts of things from it because they can.
21:18 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
21:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
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21:18 DaemonFC; And now that even most conservatives don't give a shit one way or the other about gay people, it's become more normalized, and these people have to resort to becoming something else to stay ahead of the curve.
21:19 DaemonFC; I was fired for being gay before, but I couldn't really do much about it.
21:19 DaemonFC; It was a Christian church that I worked for, briefly, and they found out about it because someone posted pictures of me at a bar, a gay bar, on Myspace.
21:19 DaemonFC; And then someone else who worked there found the pictures and outed me to the management.
21:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:20 DaemonFC; So that was an early example of how oversharing on "facebook" can blow up.
21:20 DaemonFC; This was before facebook, but same problem.
21:20 DaemonFC; If anything, worse now.
21:21 TR News; "after i returned from my 2 months parental leave i found a great email in my inbox. one from the weekly capitalism update made by a joint delegation of company leaders and hr." gemini://the.antipod.de/log/2022-09-27_disclaimer.gmi
21:21 DaemonFC; Two reasons I couldn't do anything about it. 1. "Sex" discrimination didn't cover gay people in employment back then. That's a recent court decision. 2. If a church does anything, it's "religious freedom" and people just back away and nod.
21:22 DaemonFC; It's better to just accept that you were wronged and move on. What can you do about it? Nothing.
21:22 TR News; (NEW): LXD 5.6 has been released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/LXD_5_6_has_been_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/LXD_5_6_has_been_released.gmi
21:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines LXD 5.6 has been released
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21:27 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> So that was an early example of how oversharing on "facebook" can blow up.
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; don't say FB
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; say social control media
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; all of it
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; even if decentralised
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; or open
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; or free
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; or federated
21:27 schestowitz[TR]; etc etc
21:28 cubexyz; does that include IRC? :)
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; you could dig up a ton of hypocrisy dirt on your targets this way
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; corporations and governments do it
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; HR does it
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; cubexyz: to a lesser degree
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; FB has real name policy
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; and inteerfaces for governments
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; it is centralised
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; it sells data
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; it spies on people using "phones" ande coolkies
21:28 schestowitz[TR]; lots of differences
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; most oirc netyworks are not logged
21:29 schestowitz[TR]; and if people direct message here, nobody willl ever see it
21:30 cubexyz; IRC logs may become historically interesting
21:30 schestowitz[TR]; yes, ours are complete
21:31 schestowitz[TR]; 15 years in a few months
21:31 cubexyz; it feels longer than that
21:31 cubexyz; I definitely remember IRC in the 1990s
21:32 cubexyz; I guess the boycott novell started in 2007?
21:32 schestowitz[TR]; 2006
21:32 schestowitz[TR]; but irc in early 2008
21:33 schestowitz[TR]; using freenode
21:33 schestowitz[TR]; you could even study who first joined which year/month
21:35 TR News; More "hype" and hot air https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/26/hugging-face-and-servicenow-launch-bigcode-a-project-to-open-source-code-generating-ai-systems/
21:35 TR Bot; Face and ServiceNow launch BigCode, a project to open source code-generating AI systems TechCrunch
21:35 TR News; (NEW): Servers/Containers: Clown Computing, Container OS, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Servers_Containers_Clown_Computing_Container_OS_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Servers_Containers_Clown_Computing_Container_OS_and_More.gmi
21:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines Servers/Containers: Clown Computing, Container OS, and More
21:37 TR News; Gentoo-Sources: Experimental - ACPI: processor idle: Practically limit 'Dummy wait' workaround to old Intel systems - Mike Paganos Weblog https://www.mpagano.com/blog/?p=312 Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.mpagano.com/blog/?p=312
21:37 TR Bot; Gentoo-Sources: Experimental ACPI: processor idle: Practically limit Dummy wait workaround to old Intel systems Mike Pagano's Weblog
21:39 TR News; Phoronix does a lot of promotional ads today while raising corporate money http://techrights.org/2022/09/27/phoronix-promotional-ads/
21:39 TR Bot; Balanced Coverage in Phoronix Today | Techrights
21:39 TR News; (NEW): x86 Defects Inside Linux, Intel 'Bribes' Torvalds With New (and Made Up) "Innovation Award" http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/x86_Defects_Inside_Linux_Intel_Bribes_Torvalds_With_New_and_Mad.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/x86_Defects_Inside_Linux_Intel_Bribes_Torvalds_With_New_and_Mad.gmi
21:39 TR Bot; Tux Machines x86 Defects Inside Linux, Intel 'Bribes' Torvalds With New (and Made Up) "Innovation Award"
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21:52 schestowitz[TR]; torvalds: better bribed than cancelled
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; by peopl,e who have very non-conventional love lives
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; and try to drag him down too
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; using the "sexism" card
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; while they share beds, not rooms but bed, with people they hardly know
21:52 schestowitz[TR]; intel has a new award
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; "new"
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; they made it up
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; and hope to stroke Torvalds' ego
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; so maybe he'll make some faint praise of a product of theirs
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; OSL was a founding member of OSDL
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; which was later abandoned
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; *Intel was
21:53 schestowitz[TR]; and OSU
21:55 psydruid; better cancelled than bribed
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; btw
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; re conferencwes
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; I always had my own room
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; the one time I had to share one was in wahington
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; I did not share a BED
21:55 psydruid; but he doesn't have the guts to start something new at his age
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; just a room
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; it was
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; a colleague
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; a straight man
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; a sane person
21:55 schestowitz[TR]; not a messed up mind
21:56 schestowitz[TR]; he was a phd also
21:56 schestowitz[TR]; we're meant to think sharing a bed with strangers is a good idea
21:56 schestowitz[TR]; it never is
21:56 schestowitz[TR]; esp. if there is booze and drugs at events
21:56 schestowitz[TR]; that event was IEEE btw
21:56 schestowitz[TR]; on medical imaging
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; psydruid: torevalds is not old
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; he only looks old
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; he's about 51 or 52
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; he can start another mini project
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; like alan cox did
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; after his partner had died iirc
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; he received fsf award
21:57 psydruid; I know he's just a decade or so older than we are
21:57 schestowitz[TR]; yeah, but aged poorly in recent years
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; like he went on a potato chips diet
21:58 psydruid; but I think he's too comfortable with his current life
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; he looks like the younger brother of his dead
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; his dad is almost 80
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; *dad
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; not dead
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; his dad is still very active
21:58 schestowitz[TR]; as MEP
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; uploads videos every few days
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; hardly anyone watches thsese though
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; but unlike spamnil he doesn't summon clickfraud bots
21:59 psydruid; I don't understand Finnish
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; he speaks in english
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; as MEP
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; they speak English there
21:59 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/channel/UCT_JXe1Xb5JNZqLNfOi3gsg
21:59 TR Bot; MEP Nils Torvalds - Invidious
22:00 schestowitz[TR]; only 54 subscribers
22:00 schestowitz[TR]; what ashame
22:00 schestowitz[TR]; latest https://yewtu.be/watch?v=py9gDkjiDBI
22:00 TR Bot; Plenary session: Renewable energy directive - Invidious
22:00 schestowitz[TR]; his poliocies are good
22:01 schestowitz[TR]; lots about the planet's future
22:01 schestowitz[TR]; food safety, speech, privacy..
22:01 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/0rkvwy9.jpeg
22:01 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eeZIlQ-xLWA
22:01 TR Bot; Skarvens pverkan p fisket - Invidious
22:01 schestowitz[TR]; in finnish
22:02 psydruid; Swedish actually this one
22:02 schestowitz[TR]; ah
22:02 schestowitz[TR]; he is swedish originally
22:02 schestowitz[TR]; migrated to finland
22:02 DaemonFC; I just beat Sonic 1 with all the Chaos Emeralds. Not as difficult as I remember from when I was a kid. Although the final boss battle was pretty dumb.
22:02 DaemonFC; Thought so then too.
22:02 psydruid; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl60wNBYXc4
22:02 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=Vl60wNBYXc4
22:03 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=Vl60wNBYXc4 )
22:03 psydruid; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl60wNBYXc4
22:03 psydruid; this one was in Finnish
22:05 DaemonFC; The games for the Genesis were better play tested than the ones now. Not much to test though.
22:05 TR News; Microbell: I wrote this article to tell you an article is coming. In the meantime, enjoy these marketing BROCHURES https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Core-13th-Gen-Raptor-Lake
22:05 TR Bot; Announces 13th Gen "Raptor Lake" - Linux Benchmarks To Come - Phoronix
22:05 DaemonFC; You had some people spend a week on it seeing if anything glitched out unacceptably or if the player could end up somewhere he wasn't supposed to on the level and you were essentially done.
22:09 schestowitz[TR]; ffs, it's getting cold
22:09 schestowitz[TR]; and it's only sept.
22:10 *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@ws2bs482xtmk6.irc) has joined #techrights
22:10 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5Gx9_9vmwAA
22:10 TR Bot; Watch: Nord Stream Pipeline Leaks Gas Bubbles in Baltic Sea - Invidious
22:11 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pP7AMc0oCpY&listen=false
22:11 TR Bot; Europe investigates unexplained leaks in Nord stream pipelines | Latest English News | WION - Invidious
22:11 XRevan86; schestowitz: techpol content?
22:12 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8KoGNEXztuo
22:12 TR Bot; Aerial footage of leak in Danish waters from Nord Stream 1 pipeline - Invidious
22:12 schestowitz[TR]; i guess
22:12 schestowitz[TR]; assuming it's vandalism
22:12 schestowitz[TR]; I saw it mentioned there
22:12 XRevan86; "Vandalism" wouldn't be the right word on this scale, "sabotage".
22:12 schestowitz[TR]; german TV nhttps://yewtu.be/watch?v=KQSQp1y_4qk
22:12 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KQSQp1y_4qk
22:12 TR Bot; Krieg in der Ukraine: Pseudoreferenden vor Abschluss, Gaslecks and beiden Nord Stream Pipelines - Invidious
22:12 schestowitz[TR]; i guess frog just quotes "Russian media"
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; which probably blames europe for attacking its own energy source
22:13 XRevan86; schestowitz: I can't tell, I only understood 10% of what he said.
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; yeds, but off topic
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; i'll do exercise to warm up
22:13 schestowitz[TR]; hopefully no rolling blackouts this winter
22:14 XRevan86; schestowitz: It was known in advance that NS-1 and NS-2 won't be coming back up ever again.
22:14 XRevan86; So this doesn't change that much regarding the gas crisis in Europe.
22:15 XRevan86; But the prices still somewhat hiked. Because the glimpse of hope was shut? I can't tell.
22:15 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/search?q=nordstream&page=1&date=today&type=all&duration=none&sort=relevance
22:15 TR Bot; nordstream - Invidious
22:15 schestowitz[TR]; glimmer?
22:16 XRevan86; schestowitz: Yea.
22:16 schestowitz[TR]; :(
22:16 schestowitz[TR]; this winter will suck
22:16 schestowitz[TR]; maybe time to buy ups
22:16 schestowitz[TR]; because the prices of those too soars
22:16 schestowitz[TR]; *soar
22:17 schestowitz[TR]; "but snowden!!"
22:18 TR News; (NEW): Games: Steam Deck, 0 A.D. Alpha 26 Released, Kena Bridge of Spirits http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Games_Steam_Deck_0_A_D_Alpha_26_Released_Kena_Bridge_of_Spirits.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Games_Steam_Deck_0_A_D_Alpha_26_Released_Kena_Bridge_of_Spirits.gmi
22:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Steam Deck, 0 A.D. Alpha 26 Released, Kena Bridge of Spirits
22:18 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe time to buy ups <- no
22:18 highest_cubist_thrills; time to buy ups was freakin years ago
22:18 highest_cubist_thrills; but better late than never
22:19 schestowitz-TR; years ago
22:19 schestowitz-TR; no war
22:19 XRevan86; schestowitz: I personally don't believe that the situation will get critical in winter.
22:19 schestowitz-TR; no outages
22:19 schestowitz-TR; maybe next thing is buying a generator
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:20 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: for many here it is critical already
22:20 schestowitz-TR; they are broke
22:21 schestowitz-TR; so broke our regime gives 250 pounds to each households to help with heating bills
22:21 schestowitz-TR; me? i just do exercise and clothe better
22:21 XRevan86; schestowitz: We will see an increase of the price, that's a given.
22:22 schestowitz-TR; maybe outages too
22:22 XRevan86; It's hard to look for data on for how much as it'll vary depending on the place.
22:22 schestowitz-TR; lack of capacity
22:22 schestowitz-TR; at peak times
22:22 schestowitz-TR; some people will pay the premium
22:22 schestowitz-TR; but that won't magically make more energy avAILABLE
22:22 schestowitz-TR; switzerland warms about rolling blackouts
22:22 schestowitz-TR; people there are not poor
22:24 XRevan86; schestowitz: Switzerland doesn't even use gas for electricity generation.
22:25 XRevan86; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Switzerland
22:25 TR Bot; Electricity sector in Switzerland - Wikipedia
22:25 cubexyz; doesn't switzerland use nuclear power?
22:25 XRevan86; Hydroelectricity + NPP
22:26 TR News; (NEW): Star Labs Shares More Details on Its Upcoming StarFighter 4K Linux Laptop http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Star_Labs_Shares_More_Details_on_Its_Upcoming_StarFighter_4K_Li.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Star_Labs_Shares_More_Details_on_Its_Upcoming_StarFighter_4K_Li.gmi
22:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Star Labs Shares More Details on Its Upcoming StarFighter 4K Linux Laptop
22:26 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Security_Leftovers.gmi
22:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
22:27 schestowitz[TR]; putin to switerland: y, I herd u like referendums
22:28 AdmFubar; https://www.project-disco.org/competition/092622-declining-retail-shrink-makes-shoplifting-crisis-narrative-a-hard-sell/
22:28 TR Bot; Declining Retail Shrink Makes Shoplifting Crisis Narrative a Hard Sell - Disruptive Competition Project
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; :-)
22:28 schestowitz[TR]; saw it earlier noticed this part
22:29 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> "In a curious coincidence, many of the retail spokespersons pushing the disproven narrative of a significant uptick in shoplifting were from groups pushing for legislative proposals that would burden digital commerce" https://www.project-disco.org/competition/092622-declining-retail-shrink-makes-shoplifting-crisis-narrative-a-hard-sell/
22:29 schestowitz[TR]; always blame the victim
22:30 XRevan86; schestowitz: Time to conduct a referendum on annexation of Switzerland into Russia, for technical reasons the population that will decide the fate of Switzerland is going to be the Swiss that live on the territory of Russia.
22:30 schestowitz[TR]; oblast
22:30 XRevan86; All 676 of them.
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; operation Z-uirich
22:31 MinceR; lol
22:32 XRevan86; schestowitz: Swiss People's Republic
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22:40 schestowitz[TR]; Swiss people are heavily armed
22:40 schestowitz[TR]; putin will come to 'denazify' swiss banks
22:42 TR News; "A lot of privacy concerned internet users are concerned about Chrome's new Manifest v3 which in part aims to end the usefulness of content/ad blockers but Mozilla & Firefox has a slightly different plan" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uh5Bhw-wyZc
22:42 TR Bot; Chrome Is Killing AdBlockers & Firefox Will Save Them - Invidious
22:44 TR News; Hostile of "on libera.chat" https://www.fsf.org/events/fsd-20221028-irc https://www.fsf.org/events/fsd-20221021-irc
22:44 TR Bot; Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, October 28, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
22:44 TR Bot; Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, October 21, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
22:44 TR News; FSF chat outsourced to FSF-hostile people https://www.fsf.org/events/fsd-20221014-irc https://www.fsf.org/events/fsd-20221007-irc
22:44 TR Bot; Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, October 14, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
22:44 TR Bot; Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, October 7, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
22:47 TR News; BellSoft Optimizes Java for Cloud-Native Platform - Container Journal http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/BellSoft_introduces_Alpaquita_Cloud_Native_Platform_and_Alpaqui.shtml
22:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines BellSoft introduces Alpaquita Cloud Native Platform and Alpaquita Linux (UPDATED)
22:47 MinceR; https://www.darthsanddroids.net/solo/solo217.html
22:47 TR Bot; Darths & Droids
22:48 TR News; "The Northcape event has been held for several years, and while it always ends on the North Cape, the route there varies. Last years route went through the Baltics, but this years was perhaps as direct as possible - taking us through Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Germany, the Czech republic, Germany again, Sweden, Finland and finally Norway." https://www.jelmer.uk/northcape4000.html
22:48 TR Bot; Northcape4000
22:49 schestowitz; "
22:49 schestowitz; As of April 2021, I work as Principal Site Reliability Engineer at Cognite.
22:49 schestowitz; Between February 2013 and March 2021, I worked as a Senior Site Reliability Engineer at Google in London, mainly on the authoritative DNS servers and other kinds of frontend infrastructure.
22:49 schestowitz; Between 2009 and 2012 I worked at Canonical Ltd., on Launchpad, Ubuntu, Bazaar and various cloud-related projects.
22:49 schestowitz; "
22:49 schestowitz; https://www.jelmer.uk//pages/about.html
22:49 TR Bot; About - Jelmer Vernoo
22:49 MinceR; this is spial tap!
22:51 AdmFubar; https://www.icij.org/investigations/uber-files/how-we-unearthed-ubers-controversial-playbook-from-a-cache-of-employee-communications/
22:51 TR Bot; How we unearthed Ubers controversial playbook from a cache of employee communications - ICIJ
22:51 TR News; new recruits at Collabora. Went through the list, seems decent. https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/a-team-that-grows-together-builds-together.html
22:51 TR Bot; A team that grows together, builds together
22:57 TR News; (NEW): Videos: Forcing People to Watch Ads, DataGrip on Linux Mint 21, and Archcraft 2022.09.16 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Videos_Forcing_People_to_Watch_Ads_DataGrip_on_Linux_Mint_21_an.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Videos_Forcing_People_to_Watch_Ads_DataGrip_on_Linux_Mint_21_an.gmi
22:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Forcing People to Watch Ads, DataGrip on Linux Mint 21, and Archcraft 2022.09.16
22:59 DaemonFC; WebkitGTK 2.38 seems to work fine.
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 65.40 average k/sec., average swarm size 127.01
22:59 DaemonFC; They really ironed out a lot of those pesky compositing and Content Blocker bugs, it seems.
22:59 DaemonFC; Maybe from something Apple did. Who knows?
23:00 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I'm thinking about forking a WebExtension when the time is right.
23:00 DaemonFC; Turning GNOME Web into a Gemini browser by "faking it".
23:01 DaemonFC; Handling the protocol by routing it through mozz.us or something.
23:01 DaemonFC; Actual support would be something I can't really do, but taking an existing extension that proxies Gopher through Floodgap seems possible.
23:03 DaemonFC; https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.nytimes.com%252F2022%252F09%252F27%252Fbusiness%252Feconomy%252Flandlords-rent-inflation.html
23:03 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
23:03 DaemonFC; Won't someone please think of the slumlords? -The New York Times
23:03 DaemonFC; Jesus, what a rag.
23:03 DaemonFC; Not that most of them aren't.
23:04 TR News; (NEW): Mike Blumenkrantz: Preparation http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Mike_Blumenkrantz_PreparationMike_Blumenkrantz_Preparation.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Mike_Blumenkrantz_PreparationMike_Blumenkrantz_Preparation.gmi
23:04 TR Bot; Tux Machines Mike Blumenkrantz: Preparation
23:04 DaemonFC; But this one actually wants you to pay to read it.
23:04 DaemonFC; This just sounds like CNN with extra steps.
23:04 DaemonFC; "Publicly traded owners of sprawling real estate portfolios, like Invitation Homes, have enjoyed some of their best returns over the past few quarters."
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; there is a firefox extension
23:04 schestowitz[TR]; it redirects gemini urls to mozz iirs
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; but that's not the same thing
23:05 DaemonFC; Invitation Homes is a notorious Wall Street slumlord that's been buying up houses, not fixing anything, and renting them to people who can't get a mortgage. They're a parasite.
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; you could extend that to make every http/s address gemini
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; and then redirect it
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; so if I ask for https://nytimes/crap
23:05 TR Bot; not resolve host: nytimes; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://nytimes/crap )
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; it'll go to gemini... newswallfile...web address
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; and in turn redirect to moz with the firefox extension
23:05 schestowitz[TR]; mozz
23:05 DaemonFC; Yeah, I'm afraid that's going to have to be good enough for "Web" browsers.
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; but why?
23:06 DaemonFC; Mozilla is certainly not going to welcome patches that implement it because GULAG doesn't control it and neither does Hollywood or Microsoft.
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; just use a gemini client
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; I can give you code I wrote
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; you click a special mouse button
23:06 schestowitz[TR]; and it gives you the canonical gemini address
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; acidus had a gemi proxy for youtube too
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; last I checked you could no longer download videos from it
23:07 DaemonFC; "Earlier this year, Mr. Verma experimented with raising rents enough to cover the cost of spiking wages, property taxes, insurance and maintenance. Turnover doubled in the properties where he tried it, as people left for nearby buildings.
23:07 DaemonFC; Its crushing our margins, Mr. Verma said. Our profits from last year have evaporated, and were running at break-even at a number of properties. Theres some people who think landlords must be making money. No. Weve only gone up 12 to 14 percent, and our expenses have gone up 30 percent.
23:07 schestowitz[TR]; "our margins"
23:08 DaemonFC; Yes, but when you charge 10 times what your "expenses" are and then your expenses go up 30%, and you raise rent "12-14%" you just have a hell of a lot of money. Slightly less of a hell of a lot of money.
23:08 DaemonFC; What a bunch of bastards.
23:08 schestowitz[TR]; "sell the fucking houses motherfucker!"
23:08 schestowitz[TR]; "how many house u got anyays, man!!"
23:08 DaemonFC; The only thing that our landlord does is raise the rent and occasionally unclog a drain or replace a toilet flapper.
23:08 DaemonFC; Other than insurance, the property taxes, and that, what is he paying for?
23:08 schestowitz[TR]; "expenses" = making the houses worth more
23:09 DaemonFC; Replacing some cheapass carpet between tenants?
23:09 DaemonFC; A bucket of white paint?
23:09 schestowitz[TR]; so they can sell the "assets" or "property" at a higher price
23:09 DaemonFC; Those "expenses" are docked from the deposit you gave them.
23:09 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
23:09 DaemonFC; They find ways to keep docking it until it doesn't exist anymore, so if you move a lot you lose $1,000 a year or more on deposits alone.
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: hours old:
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; <li><h5><a href="gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1139">New Apartment Woes</a></h5>
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; <blockquote><p>Hi folks, been a while -- was coordinating The Grand Migration of one apartment to another.
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; [...]
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; Read the damn contract. If you moved in and no one painted the apartment for you, then you don't need to paint it on the way out.
23:10 schestowitz[TR]; </p></blockquote></li>
23:10 DaemonFC; The paint over our shower is gone.
23:10 DaemonFC; From cleaning the mold off of it.
23:11 DaemonFC; He didn't bother to paint the bathroom in moisture resistant paint, which they do make.
23:12 DaemonFC; Every lease he draws up says that he takes no responsibility for molds, mildews, and fungus.
23:12 DaemonFC; And it's in bold lettering.
23:12 DaemonFC; You just have to keep fighting it back with chemicals.
23:13 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Thank god I was able to finally turn off the dehumidifier and air conditioning and open the windows.
23:13 DaemonFC; Our electric dropped from between 35 and 40 kilowatt hours per day to like 5-8.
23:14 DaemonFC; "Overall, the ferocious run-up in rents has been driven by tenants desire for more space and location flexibility created by remote work; rising interest rates that have locked would-be buyers out of the for-sale market; and cost increases on delayed maintenance. But the one factor landlords track most closely is their customers ability to absorb higher rents."
23:14 DaemonFC; Yes, he didn't ask what our current income is and I'm not going to just volunteer it.
23:15 DaemonFC; He probably got us for what he figured he could based on the information he has.
23:15 DaemonFC; Which is out of date, but who's going to admit that?
23:15 DaemonFC; "Oh, we make a lot more now. Hit us again, and put some STANK on it!"
23:16 DaemonFC; I might have stolen part of that frim Jim Carey in Liar Liar.
23:16 DaemonFC; "Where would Tina Turner be today, if she just rolled over and said 'Hit me again, Ike! And put some stank on it!"?
23:16 DaemonFC; "Rollin' down the river. That's where!"
23:17 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], The mjg59_'s crybaby idiots would NEVER allow jokes like that in a movie script now.
23:17 MinceR; https://64.media.tumblr.com/8979512ad824b573b898206cbcac1119/d9f82bea84c1305a-29/s640x960/cd71727c02484e81760218e0de95b8f309f75560.png ( https://textsfromsuperheroes.com/post/694422843033894912/newtrees )
23:17 TR Bot; Texts From Superheroes, Texts From Superheroes Facebook | Twitter |...
23:18 DaemonFC; Nobody thought wife beating was okay then. There were domestic felony laws. Men went to prison.
23:18 DaemonFC; But you could joke about it. It didn't mean you thought people should beat their wife and go unpunished.
23:19 DaemonFC; The whole "Throw the lousy bum in prison and let's get on with it!".
23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
23:21 DaemonFC; The reason why so many wife beaters get away with it is twofold. Either the woman doesn't say anything because she has no income and no employment skills that would realistically let her out of the abusive marriage or she does go to the police and they threaten her. When my mom was beaten by Brian (Gonad), she went to the police department in Huntington, Indiana, and they told her if she tried to report it again, they'd find something to put
23:21 DaemonFC; her in jail for because she was bothering them.
23:21 DaemonFC; mjg59_, How do you feel about that?
23:22 DaemonFC; Then she doesn't believe me when I tell her the police falsely accused me, made up charges, and lied and said I made incriminating statements.
23:23 DaemonFC; After telling me that they threatened an abused battered woman who was asking them for help, who had been beaten black and blue and was standing right there in front of them.
23:24 DaemonFC; This is one reason why I support open carry and repealing the Illinois FOID Act.
23:24 DaemonFC; Women should get a gun and learn how to use it.
23:24 DaemonFC; And if anyone in Chicago tries to rape them, they should blow the fucker's dick off with it.
23:24 DaemonFC; And everyone should laugh at this stupid asshole who tried to rape a woman and got his dick blown off.
23:31 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/ederson-my-first-season-63799865
23:31 TR Bot; Ederson: My first season
23:32 DaemonFC; Why are people afraid of the police? The police are as dangerous to the victims as they are to anyone else when they finally arrive on the scene.
23:32 DaemonFC; Like
23:32 DaemonFC; you know, nobody believes you.
23:32 DaemonFC; It's terrible.
23:33 DaemonFC; Nobody believes you unless they went through it as well.
23:33 DaemonFC; And then nobody believes them because the system ruined their credibility like it did yours.
23:33 schestowitz[TR]; off topic anyhoo..
23:34 DaemonFC; Facebook undermines your right to remain silent.
23:34 DaemonFC; Because the government can go in there and dig up all of your posts and bring them to court.
23:34 schestowitz[TR]; ok, but you did not talk about FB
23:34 schestowitz[TR]; you talked about "blowing dicks"
23:35 schestowitz[TR]; that's neither on topic nor relevant
23:35 schestowitz[TR]; just off-puttingh
23:35 highest_cubist_thrills; you talked about "blowing dicks" <- tbf thats the state of free software now anyway
23:35 highest_cubist_thrills; /me was told to suck a dick the other day
23:35 highest_cubist_thrills; it wasnt very specific, if i get to choose thats not too bad
23:35 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean in here
23:36 DaemonFC; https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.nytimes.com%252F2022%252F09%252F27%252Fbusiness%252Fbiden-student-debt-suit.html
23:36 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
23:36 highest_cubist_thrills; so yeah it comes up often enough
23:36 TR News; Webspam. Promotional spam disguised as 'articles'. The WWW became a heap of trash. https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/immotor-portable-power-station/
23:36 TR Bot; Save Up to 26% on an IMMOTOR Portable Power Station - Make Tech Easier
23:36 highest_cubist_thrills; pun not intended
23:36 DaemonFC; An Indiana attorney who is pursuing student loan forgiveness is suing to stop student loan forgiveness.
23:37 DaemonFC; His lawsuit has a lot of problems.
23:38 TR News; Like Microsoft, Oracle relies on crime to do "business" https://itwire.com/technology-regulation/oracle-fined-us$23m-for-violations-of-foreign-corrupt-practices-act.html http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/
23:38 DaemonFC; It makes non-factual statements about the program. He may not have standing to sue. Most of the judges on that court were appointed by Bill Clinton.
23:38 TR Bot; - Oracle fined US$23m for violations of Foreign Corrupt Practices Act
23:38 TR Bot; EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights
23:38 psydruid; https://www.theverge.com/23373371/arm-chips-chip-shortage-ceo-rene-haas-tech-intel-apple-decoder
23:38 TR Bot; How Arm conquered the chip market and survived the chip shortage, with CEO Rene Haas - The Verge
23:39 TR News; "Khronos Group Welcomes Vastai Technologies as Contributor Membe"
23:39 DaemonFC; At the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals his odds are better, but Biden has been installing judges there. If he steps it up, we could have two more Biden judges on that appeals court before it hears an appeal on this.
23:39 psydruid; no mention of GNU/Linux or maybe one occurrence of Linux
23:39 DaemonFC; They probably kick it out to a three judge panel and then you just get the judges you get.
23:39 highest_cubist_thrills; linucks
23:41 starstreak; linucks!
23:41 highest_cubist_thrills; or as ive taken to calling it lately gnu+penguinshit
23:42 starstreak; why not GNU slash penguinshit
23:42 highest_cubist_thrills; no fucking idea
23:42 highest_cubist_thrills; there are many mysteries of stallman i have sought to understand, and did not come up wanting
23:43 highest_cubist_thrills; but two things the wisdom of which are beyond my ken
23:43 highest_cubist_thrills; are why he went from / to +
23:43 highest_cubist_thrills; when the TRUTH is gnu was DIVIDED by linux, NOT added to by it
23:43 highest_cubist_thrills; or what his fucking beef with "content" is
23:43 highest_cubist_thrills; roy has tried to explain
23:43 highest_cubist_thrills; but its roy
23:44 schestowitz-TR; 27th ends here in 17 mins
23:44 schestowitz-TR; end of gnu at 39
23:44 highest_cubist_thrills; of course i think hes wiser than nearly one else in the field he more or less created
23:44 DaemonFC; They got to this point because HURD was an unworkable kernel design from someone who was obviously insane.
23:44 highest_cubist_thrills; (which is a shame, as he is most likely mortal)
23:44 DaemonFC; And they could have adopted a BSD kernel instead.
23:44 schestowitz-TR; not gpl
23:44 DaemonFC; So?
23:44 schestowitz-TR; also remember time
23:44 schestowitz-TR; 1980s
23:45 highest_cubist_thrills; but i may never know why + midstream
23:45 schestowitz-TR; bsd was not out there yet
23:45 highest_cubist_thrills; or why content is such a terrible word
23:45 DaemonFC; You can wrap BSD software in the GPL.
23:45 highest_cubist_thrills; bsd was not out there yet <- you should write a book
23:45 DaemonFC; Same way proprietary licenses can wrap BSD.
23:45 highest_cubist_thrills; called "things about bsd im wrong about"
23:45 highest_cubist_thrills; youve got a great start
23:45 starstreak; lol
23:45 DaemonFC; The BSD kernels were out around the same time Linux was.
23:46 highest_cubist_thrills; like "a kernel is a license"
23:46 highest_cubist_thrills; it isnt
23:46 schestowitz; "March 9, 1978; 44 years ago"
23:46 schestowitz; oh, right..
23:46 schestowitz; 5 years before gnu
23:46 highest_cubist_thrills; and bsd was treading water when linucks came into the picture
23:47 highest_cubist_thrills; but its a damned shame the fsf was like
23:47 highest_cubist_thrills; "oh sorry, ill call someone. bye."
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23:47 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean maybe thats not accurate. be nice if they helped.
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23:47 highest_cubist_thrills; gnu tried to avoid linux as long as it could
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23:47 highest_cubist_thrills; in hindsight it should have kept trying
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23:48 highest_cubist_thrills; counterrevolution os more like
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23:48 DaemonFC; The problem with BSD, legally, was that there was the lawsuit regarding it.
23:48 DaemonFC; And Linux people used the lawsuit as FUD.
23:48 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think linus ever intended it that way
23:48 DaemonFC; Like, hey nobody's suing us!
23:48 highest_cubist_thrills; but he was groomed to be a corporate shill
23:48 DaemonFC; And then SCO happened a decade later.
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23:48 highest_cubist_thrills; not as bad as the others-- the others are worse
23:48 highest_cubist_thrills; except tso
23:49 DaemonFC; SCO was actually a much worse lawsuit than USL's against BSD's was.
23:49 highest_cubist_thrills; sorry i mean theodore "rape apologist" tso
23:49 highest_cubist_thrills; its theo isnt it?
23:49 starstreak; Revolution OS: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jw8K460vx1c
23:49 highest_cubist_thrills; tso had too much attack surface
23:49 TR Bot; Revolution OS - Invidious
23:49 DaemonFC; The USL BSD lawsuit was settled quickly and I think they just said that they had no objections to it as long as they removed two files.
23:49 starstreak; "I'm your worst nightmare" -ESR
23:49 DaemonFC; So they did, and that was the end of that.
23:49 schestowitz-TR; tso criticised the attack on iraq
23:49 highest_cubist_thrills; hes *a* worst nightmare at least
23:49 starstreak; oh shit, attack surface
23:49 schestowitz-TR; that must be a coc violation or something
23:50 DaemonFC; mjg59_ hasn't stated a position on the Iraq War.
23:50 DaemonFC; I wonder why.
23:50 schestowitz-TR; "I'm your worst nightmare btw"
23:50 highest_cubist_thrills; you talked about "blowing dicks" <- he should have said sucking cocs
23:50 highest_cubist_thrills; because cocs definitely suck
23:50 schestowitz-TR; he did not even rub two thighs
23:50 DaemonFC; He's for all the crimes the government wants to commit because they'll stop paying him if he's not.
23:50 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm are cocmasters
23:50 highest_cubist_thrills; sorry, cocmains
23:51 schestowitz-TR; comcasters
23:51 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is on the Dark Side because they pay better over there.
23:51 highest_cubist_thrills; he did not even rub two thighs <- when ballmer goes to kfc, they know just what he likes
23:51 schestowitz-TR; "^ thighs please"
23:51 highest_cubist_thrills; /me went to kfc in the uk
23:51 schestowitz-TR; "sixpack on the grill"
23:52 highest_cubist_thrills; no surprise, the chips are better there
23:52 highest_cubist_thrills; they have to be, or who would buy them
23:52 DaemonFC; Give me a bucket of BIGBOOBIES. -Microsoft people at KFC
23:52 highest_cubist_thrills; its not that americans cant make proper chips
23:52 highest_cubist_thrills; they just dont
23:52 schestowitz-TR; give me sixpack/sexpack, or you are missing out
23:52 highest_cubist_thrills; why do they want inferior chips? its a mystery
23:53 highest_cubist_thrills; or you are missing out <- well not anymore
23:53 highest_cubist_thrills; if youre a free software leader going to lieplanet
23:53 highest_cubist_thrills; youre gonna get fucked one way or another
23:53 DaemonFC; You know that code was written by a Boomer. Millennials only eat ass.
23:53 schestowitz-TR; fsck.ext4
23:53 schestowitz-TR; for details, ask tso
23:53 schestowitz-TR; he's the ext expert
23:53 schestowitz-TR; but don't fsck with him
23:53 highest_cubist_thrills; /me is not in love with ext
23:54 highest_cubist_thrills; mincer hasnt forgiven him for ext4
23:54 schestowitz-TR; the early one?
23:54 DaemonFC; I moved everything to BtrFS a while back.
23:54 starstreak; i use btrfs
23:54 highest_cubist_thrills; idk
23:54 starstreak; btw
23:54 schestowitz-TR; that killed off small files?
23:54 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> i use btrfs <- btw
23:54 highest_cubist_thrills; you should use btwfs
23:54 DaemonFC; I was using XFS before that.
23:54 starstreak; lol
23:54 schestowitz-TR; lol
23:54 highest_cubist_thrills; if you wait, systemd will have its own filesystem too
23:54 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe itll be based on
23:54 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd-ebcdicd
23:54 DaemonFC; The performance of Ext3 was terrible. Just terrible.
23:55 schestowitz-TR; buttewwwww ef ass
23:55 highest_cubist_thrills; then we can talk about how much ebcdic sucks
23:55 highest_cubist_thrills; :)
23:55 MinceR; 28 005410 < schestowitz-TR> the early one?
23:55 highest_cubist_thrills; "kiss my ascii!"
23:55 MinceR; the default settings were a recipe for data loss
23:55 MinceR; they kind of still are
23:55 MinceR; but at least now it's enough to set nodelalloc
23:55 highest_cubist_thrills; they kind of still are <- i dont miss ext
23:55 starstreak; i would use reiser4 but it apparently chops up pieces of your files and hides them from police
23:55 DaemonFC; XFS only had trouble deleting lots and lots of very small files. I talked to Eric Sandeen about that and asked if there was a way to batch up the file deletions and then commit everything in one go.
23:55 MinceR; XFS also had trouble keeping data across system crashes
23:55 highest_cubist_thrills; i would use reiser4 but it apparently chops up pieces of your files and hides them from police <- zing
23:56 DaemonFC; He said he'd look into that and it ended up in the driver pretty quickly.
23:56 highest_cubist_thrills; i would use reiser4 but its only available in templeos
23:56 MinceR; though i've heard they implemented whatever fixing journaling needed for that
23:56 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, i understand that at the time it had some cool features
23:56 starstreak; freebsd uses zfs
23:56 highest_cubist_thrills; but its not like the holy grail anymore is it
23:56 MinceR; i tried btrfs when it was allegedly stable and supported and it was an unreliable mess
23:56 highest_cubist_thrills; cool features
23:56 highest_cubist_thrills; but its not like the holy grail anymore is it#techrights : 09/27/22 22:56 <starstreak> <- frenchbsd uses "zfs" too
23:56 MinceR; afaik zfs eats memory like a fat kid eats candy
23:56 highest_cubist_thrills; "we put zos on zfs!"
23:57 highest_cubist_thrills; they only talk that way because they were occupied by germany
23:57 MinceR; so in the end i decided to stick with ext3 on Linux for stability, then ext4 when the ext3 driver was retired
23:57 schestowitz-TR; the zfs for linux is controlled by microsoft
23:57 MinceR; and on OpenBSD, i used the default ffs/ufs
23:57 schestowitz-TR; in proprietary software toolset that spies for the NSA
23:57 highest_cubist_thrills; so in the end i decided to stick with ext3 on Linux for stability <- i did this to avoid ubuntus suicide cocktail of ext4 and fyfs
23:57 frog; ext2 has benefit still: it's userspace utilities are implemented in busybox and toybox (and probably suckless.org ubase/sbase)
23:57 highest_cubist_thrills; "can i resize this so its smaller?" "no, fy!"
23:57 starstreak; On my FreeBSD VM, i use zfs and xorg with mate and it uses 350MB ram
23:57 XRevan86; DaemonFC: How old was your XFS installation?
23:58 highest_cubist_thrills; ubuntu <- i used trisquel btw
23:58 highest_cubist_thrills; and xorg with mate <- ...
23:58 highest_cubist_thrills; :)
23:58 frog; ext2 is/was even available with micros~1 vista7
23:58 highest_cubist_thrills; freebsd with mate-- all it needs is edge (browser)
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23:59 starstreak; lol chrome based browsers don't exist on freebsd
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23:59 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Funny joke.
23:59 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean if i say enough ridiculous things
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23:59 highest_cubist_thrills; one of them is bound to be somewhat amusing
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