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00:05 DaemonFC; House: "30% of fathers don't know they're raising someone else's kid."
00:05 DaemonFC; I wonder if that figure is anything close to accurate.
00:06 DaemonFC; https://www.menshealth.com/trending-news/a19543127/fathers-and-kids-parenting-fraud/
00:06 TR Bot; and Kids: Parenting Fraud at MensHealth.com
00:06 DaemonFC; 3.85% according to this.
00:07 DaemonFC; "According to a 2005 U.S. Census Bureau report, there are 27,940,000 fathers nationwide with a child under 18. That means over a million guys out there are taking care of some other man's kid."
00:08 DaemonFC; Many men in Connaro's position might not feel the same way. Studies show that evolution has designed men to care deeply about who their children are. In 2003, for instance, researchers at the State University of New York at Albany recruited 20 men and 20 women, then morphed their facial features with photographs of children. Subsequent testing showed that the women responded equally to photos of kids whose faces resembled theirs and those that
00:08 DaemonFC; resembled the faces of strangers. The men, on the other hand, reacted far more positively to children whose faces resembled their own.
00:08 DaemonFC; "It's not reproductively beneficial to invest all your resources in a child who is not carrying on your genetic line," says study author Rebecca Burch, Ph.D. "Men throughout the history of the species who have invested all their time and energy in children who weren't theirs no longer have genes in the population."
00:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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01:12 TR News; (New Entry): Linus Torvalds: Linux 6.0-rc1 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.gmi
01:12 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linus Torvalds: Linux 6.0-rc1
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02:13 Helenah; DaemonFC: Yeah, father and child parenting fraud is bad. :(
02:13 techuser; cuddlybear66 can also say something on parenting I think, but she is probably asleep
02:14 Helenah; I wouldn't quite call it fraud though, it doesn't involve cash. :D
02:14 Helenah; Hi techuser :3
02:18 Helenah; Honestly though, no matter the circumstances, if someone is to raise someone elses child then they need to be aware that it's someone elses child.
02:18 Helenah; No two ways about it!
02:18 AdmFubar; https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-sent-dmca-notices-on-behalf-of-indicted-copyright-swindlers-220814/
02:18 TR Bot; Group Continued to Send DMCA Notices on Behalf of Indicted Copyright Swindlers * TorrentFreak
02:19 Helenah; How I see it is "How would you like it if you sell software that feeds your family, clothes them, puts a roof over their head and cunts come along and steal it?"
02:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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02:23 britney; Hi Helenah :D
02:24 Helenah; Hi hi britney :3
02:27 britney; Helenah, how are you doing?
02:28 Helenah; britney: Good thanks, and you?
02:29 britney; Helenah, im good too =)
02:29 Helenah; :D
02:31 Helenah; "It's not reproductively beneficial to invest all your resources in a child who is not carrying on your genetic line," says study author Rebecca Burch, Ph.D. "Men throughout the history of the species who have invested all their time and energy in children who weren't theirs no longer have genes in the population."
02:31 Helenah; They are, in other words, extinct.
02:31 Helenah; That's... bullshit lol
02:31 Helenah; How can you call a gene line extinct because genes from an individual in that line were never passed down?
02:31 Helenah; That's ridiculous.
02:32 Helenah; What about other people in that gene line, or other gene lines with gene variants that are the same?
02:32 Helenah; lol
02:35 britney; speaking of genes, 23andme is pretty cool
02:39 Helenah; depends
02:40 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-140822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-140822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-140822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-140822.txt
02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 14, 2022
02:40 Helenah; They only test about 0.03% (If I remember correctly) of your DNA
02:40 Helenah; and erm...
02:41 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-140822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-140822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-140822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-140822.txt
02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 14, 2022
02:41 Helenah; regardless of whether it's 0.03% or 100%, you still need all members of your family tested.
02:41 AdmFubar; https://www.wired.com/story/john-deere-tractor-jailbreak-defcon-2022/
02:41 TR Bot; New Jailbreak for John Deere Tractors Rides the Right-to-Repair Wave | WIRED
02:41 Helenah; Because lets say...
02:41 Helenah; You come back with German in you
02:42 Helenah; Your brother/sister however might come back with Spanish in them.
02:42 Helenah; As an example
02:42 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-140822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-140822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-140822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-140822.txt
02:42 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 14, 2022
02:42 Helenah; Basically your father has a pair of genes
02:42 Helenah; and your mother has her own pair of genes
02:43 Helenah; And when they come together, they go through something called recombination
02:43 DaemonFC; And everyone has diarrhea sometimes because that runs in your jeans.
02:43 TR News; Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-140822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-140822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-140822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-140822.txt
02:43 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 14, 2022
02:43 AdmFubar; https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/14/23305200/iphone-more-ads-advertising-apple-maps-podcasts-books-mark-gurman-rumors
02:43 TR Bot; Apple may soon bring more ads to your iPhone - The Verge
02:43 Helenah; Which is basically your mother and fathers genomes coming together to create a new genome
02:43 Helenah; Chromosome 1 for example in your mother, in your father and in you is different and you all got two of them. :)
02:44 Helenah; Your Chromosome 1's for example is rebuilt from your parents Chromosome 1's
02:44 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-08-14.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-08-14.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:44 Helenah; So that's 4 Chromosome 1's to make 2 new ones. :D
02:44 Helenah; See?
02:44 Helenah; But the DNA information you got from 23andMe
02:45 Helenah; is only suitable for ancestry purposes, that's all, it can't be used for medical purposes.
02:45 Helenah; It will not reveal everything you are susceptible to, it will not reveal every single one of your traits.
02:45 Helenah; But if you want this sort of information than get a test from Nebula Genomics which is gonna cost you a lot of money. lol
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03:02 Helenah; These damn bots!
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04:06 schestowitz[TR2]; hi, Helenah
04:06 Helenah; hi schestowitz[TR2]
04:06 Helenah; :D
04:07 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, August 14, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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04:16 DaemonFC; <Helenah> I wouldn't quite call it fraud though, it doesn't involve cash. :D
04:16 DaemonFC; It costs a lot of money to raise a child.
04:16 DaemonFC; If 4% of men are tricked into raising kids that aren't even theirs, that's a lot of money.
04:17 Helenah; DaemonFC: Er...
04:17 Helenah; I wasn't meaning in that way...
04:17 TR News; Some more coverage now from Bobby Borisov. SparkyLinux 6.4 Is Here as the Fourth Update in the 6.x Series https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/13/Sparky_6_4.shtml
04:17 TR Bot; Tux Machines Sparky 6.4 (UPDATED)
04:17 Helenah; That's not illegal cash, is it?
04:17 Helenah; and I thought fraud involved illegal cash?
04:18 DaemonFC; Theft by deception.
04:18 DaemonFC; Of course, it's women doing it, so the state will never interfere, especially since they can order men who aren't even the father to pay support.
04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
04:20 TR News; "Linus has released 6.0-rc1 and closed the merge window for this release." https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.shtml
04:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux 6.0-rc1 (UPDATED)
04:21 TR News; "Josh and Kurt talk about our lack of security and some of the data bias problems that can emerge. A lot of what we think is security data is really just biased data. This is OK as long as we understand the data is broken and know this is the first step in a longer journey." https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/08/14/episode-336-we-dont-have-data-data-we-have-security-biases/
04:21 TR Bot; Episode 336 We dont have data data, we have security biases Open Source Security
04:22 Helenah; 03:18 <DaemonFC> Theft by deception.
04:22 Helenah; 03:18 <DaemonFC> Of course, it's women doing it, so the state will never interfere, especially since they can order men who aren't even the father to pay support.
04:22 Helenah; Yes, I prefer the term "Theft by deception"
04:22 Helenah; it's more accurate.
04:22 Helenah; Plus "fraud" is a broad term relating to all things illegal cash.
04:22 Helenah; Anyway...
04:23 Helenah; "It's women doing it, so the state will never interfere" Dafuq?!
04:23 Helenah; "they can order men who aren't even the father to pay support", What?!
04:24 Helenah; How is that even ever logical?
04:24 Helenah; To force someone who is not the father of a child to pay for it.
04:24 Helenah; I mean I can understand if that man adopts the child then they've to be a responsible father towards it.
04:25 Helenah; Damn it's not even logical how they treat women different to men... o.O
04:26 Helenah; If I was expected to pay for someone elses child, whoever is expecting that of me can go to hell! :D
04:26 Helenah; Well they can go to hell if there isn't good reason why I should have to pay for that child. LOL
04:27 Helenah; Surely it isn't as simple as that, right? What criteria does a man have to meet with a child or the childs mother before he has to pay for it?
04:27 Helenah; Like is it as simple as a relationship? What is it?
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04:29 TR News; iTWire - Myths spread about news media bargaining code before review lands https://itwire.com/open-sauce/myths-spread-about-news-media-bargaining-code-before-review-lands.html Source: itwire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/open-sauce/myths-spread-about-news-media-bargaining-code-before-review-lands.html
04:29 TR Bot; - Myths spread about news media bargaining code before review lands
04:30 TR News; Limine 3.16 compiled in OE https://bkhome.org/news/202208/limine-316-compiled-in-oe.html EasyOS and OE need to dump Microsoft GitHub
04:30 TR Bot; Limine 3.16 compiled in OE
04:32 TR News; "Our garage Linux server has died, and this time were looking at data loss. We attempt to revive our zombie box and reflect on what went wrong." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8704
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04:34 TR News; Web caching is hard https://current.workingdirectory.net/posts/2022/web-caching-is-hard/
04:34 TR Bot; Jamie McClelland | Web caching is hard
04:34 Helenah; Idk I mean you're an IRC network, what data loss is there to be found on a fucked up IRC server when such configurations are usually duplicated and if not then easily backed up anyway?
04:34 Helenah; Sounds like nonsense if you ask me...
04:38 TR News; (New Entry): Review: Linux Lite 6.0 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Review_Linux_Lite_6_0.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Review_Linux_Lite_6_0.gmi
04:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Review: Linux Lite 6.0"
04:39 TR News; (New Entry): Debuginfod is coming to Ubuntu https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Debuginfod_is_coming_to_Ubuntu.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Debuginfod_is_coming_to_Ubuntu.gmi
04:39 TR Bot; Tux Machines Debuginfod is coming to Ubuntu
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04:39 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], Have you tried the Links browser?
04:40 schestowitz[TR2]; Lynx - yes. Links - don't think so.
04:41 britney; I love lynx
04:43 TR News; Now Simon Sharwood with his typical clickbait on Torvalds and Linux: Linux 6.0 debuts, missing some Rusty bits https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.shtml
04:43 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux 6.0-rc1 (UPDATEDx2)
04:47 TR News; "TechRepublic Academy" = diploma mill spam, symptom of the site giving up on anything that resembles reporting.
04:50 TR News; (New Entry): How Nvidia's Open-Source Drivers Will Impact Linux Gamers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/How_Nvidia_s_Open_Source_Drivers_Will_Impact_Linux_Gamers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/How_Nvidia_s_Open_Source_Drivers_Will_Impact_Linux_Gamers.gmi
04:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines How Nvidia's Open-Source Drivers Will Impact Linux Gamers
04:57 TR News; "Applications and their infrastructure (functions, queues, permissions, runtime) have always been closely intertwined. Fewer handoffs mean quicker deployments and less context loss." https://matt-rickard.com/developers-should-deploy-their-own-code
04:57 TR Bot; Developers Should Deploy Their Own Code
04:58 TR News; (New Entry): A year of using a FreeBSD laptop without a GUI https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/A_year_of_using_a_FreeBSD_laptop_without_a_GUI.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/A_year_of_using_a_FreeBSD_laptop_without_a_GUI.gmi
04:58 TR Bot; Tux Machines A year of using a FreeBSD laptop without a GUI
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05:03 TR News; "We've shown you before how to send sensor data over WiFi, but this time we're taking it a step further. Our newest tutorial shows you how to use this WiFi data connection to then visualize your data in real time on an IoT Dashboard." https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/sending-sensor-data-over-wifi
05:03 TR Bot; Sensor Data Over WiFi - learn.sparkfun.com
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05:13 TR News; Ooredoos plans to leave Myanmar hands military full control of nations telco sector it must mitigate the human rights risks - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/ooredoo-myanmar-sale/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/ooredoo-myanmar-sale/
05:13 TR Bot; Ooredoos plans to leave Myanmar hands military full control of nations telco sector it must mitigate the human rights risks - Access Now
05:14 TR News; Guru: Regular Expressions, Part 2 - IT Jungle https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/15/guru-regular-expressions-part-2/ Source: itjungle | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.itjungle.com/2022/08/15/guru-regular-expressions-part-2/
05:14 TR Bot; Guru: Regular Expressions, Part 2 - IT Jungle
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05:16 TR News; AAEON opting for defective CPUs again https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/15/aaeon-epic-tgh7-sbc-supports-up-to-intel-xeon-w-11865mre-tiger-lake-h-processor/
05:16 TR Bot; AAEON EPIC-TGH7 SBC supports up to Intel Xeon W-11865MRE (Tiger Lake H) processor - CNX Software
05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
05:22 TR News; (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.gmi
05:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
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05:39 TR News; Causing chaos to keep oneself relevant? http://markcurtis.info/2022/07/30/nato-knew-terrorists-would-gain-from-toppling-gadaffi/
05:39 TR Bot; Nato knew terrorists would gain from toppling Gadaffi Mark Curtis
05:40 TR News; (New Entry): Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, GNU World Order, Open Source Security, and More https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/videos-shows.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/videos-shows.gmi
05:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, GNU World Order, Open Source Security, and More
05:41 TR News; Santhal Hul Wasn't Just the First Anti-British Revolt, It Was Against All Exploitation https://thewire.in/history/santhal-hul-wasnt-just-the-first-anti-british-revolt-it-was-against-all-exploitation Source: thewire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//thewire.in/history/santhal-hul-wasnt-just-the-first-anti-british-revolt-it-was-against-all-exploitation
05:41 TR Bot; Santhal Hul Wasn't Just the First Anti-British Revolt, It Was Against All Exploitation
05:43 TR News; "Not every negotiation is open to integrative bargaining. For example, in car buying negotiations, the buyer wants to pay as little as possible, the seller wants to charge as much as possible, and it's often not a repeated transaction. But some are." https://matt-rickard.com/growing-the-pie
05:43 TR Bot; Growing the Pie
05:45 TR News; Can we stop calling every computer program "HEY HI"? https://www.theinformation.com/articles/ai-is-transforming-how-we-bank-and-regulators-need-help-to-keep-up
05:45 TR Bot; AI Is Transforming How We Bankand Regulators Need Help to Keep Up The Information
05:46 TR News; "Well, most textbooks talk about industrial capitalism as if the function of banks is to make loans to factories to build plants and equipment and hire more labor to produce goods and keep the economy going, and thats what everybody expected banks to do in the late 19th century" https://michael-hudson.com/2022/08/counterpunch-to-economic-history/
05:46 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://michael-hudson.com/2022/08/counterpunch-to-economic-history/ )
05:47 TR News; The Pollinators https://www.thepollinators.net/ Source: thepollinators
05:47 TR Bot; The Pollinators
05:48 TR News; A dark money group is lying about Medicare cuts https://pluralistic.net/2022/08/11/rope-a-dope/#cowards-and-lies
05:48 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 11 Aug 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
05:49 TR News; "To shore up their crumbling legitimacy in the face of growing and justified scrutiny, blockchain advocates are on a rebranding exercise thats as cynical as it is transparent!" https://rubenerd.com/please-stop-saying-git-is-a-blockchain/
05:49 TR Bot; Calling git a blockchain to rebrand bad tech
05:50 TR News; Westacott joins academic gravy train as VC salaries go up and profits soar - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/westacott-joins-academic-gravy-train-as-vc-salaries-go-up-and-profits-soar/ Source: michaelwest | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/westacott-joins-academic-gravy-train-as-vc-salaries-go-up-and-profits-soar/
05:50 TR Bot; Westacott joins academic gravy train as VC salaries go up and profits soar - Michael West
05:52 TR News; AAP trash (pretending the economy is booming when the opposite is true) should not be syndicated by michael west. It's ruining the site! https://michaelwest.com.au/qld-business-downcast-amid-strong-earnings/
05:52 TR Bot; Qld business downcast amid strong earnings - Michael West
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05:59 TR News; (New Entry): Programming Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
05:59 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 109.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 124.35
06:00 TR News; (New Entry): today's leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_leftovers.gmi
06:00 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
06:01 TR News; Links 15/08/2022: First RC of Linux 6.x, Linux Lite 6.0 Reviewed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/linux-lite-6-0-reviewed/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/15/linux-lite-6-0-reviewed/
06:01 TR Bot; Links 15/08/2022: First RC of Linux 6.x, Linux Lite 6.0 Reviewed | Techrights
06:08 TR News; (New Entry): Today in Techrights https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Today_in_Techrights.gmi
06:08 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
06:09 TR News; India @ 75 | Digital Rights Ka Amrit Mahotsav? https://internetfreedom.in/india-75-digital-rights-ka-amrit-mahotsav/ Source: internetfreedom | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//internetfreedom.in/india-75-digital-rights-ka-amrit-mahotsav/
06:09 TR Bot; India @ 75 | Digital Rights Ka Amrit Mahotsav?
06:11 TR News; (New Entry): Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux Kernel 6.0 Release Candidate https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linux_Kernel_6_0_Release_Candidate.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linux_Kernel_6_0_Release_Candidate.gmi
06:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux Kernel 6.0 Release Candidate
06:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:39 TR News; Do not rely on Twitter. Rely on it being gone some time in the next 5 years.
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06:43 TR News; My uncertainty over whether an URL format is actually legal https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/URLFormatLegalUncertainty Source: utcc | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/URLFormatLegalUncertainty
06:43 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/URLFormatLegalUncertainty
06:44 TR News; "Microwaves are brilliant inventions of brilliance." Not really, nuking the food has all sorts of downsides too. That's why many of us still use cookers and ovens, which can give the food better texture. https://rubenerd.com/features-every-microwave-should-have/
06:44 TR Bot; Features every microwave should have
06:45 TR News; GNSS Functionality for MicroMod https://www.sparkfun.com/news/5124
06:45 TR Bot; Functionality for MicroMod - News - SparkFun Electronics
06:47 TR News; "Finding talent is hard, especially in the blockchain security industry. The space is new, so you wont find engineers with decades of experience with smart contracts. Training is difficult, as the technology evolves constantly, and online content quickly becomes outdated." https://blog.trailofbits.com/2022/08/12/the-road-to-the-apprenticeship/
06:47 TR Bot; The road to the apprenticeship | Trail of Bits Blog
06:49 TR News; "This Account has been suspended." https://cissar.com/long-term-digital-security-support-pays-off-in-ukraine/
06:49 TR Bot; Account Suspended
06:51 TR News; "Note well that this is mostly of historic interest. I haven't done any work on MGR for many years. MGR itself has gone into oblivion for most uses, largely being replaced by the much more feature filled X Window System. I have kept this around because people seem to link to it." https://hack.org/mc/mgr/
06:51 TR Bot; The MGR Window System
06:52 TR News; logcheck egrep: trailing backslash (\) https://dan.langille.org/2022/08/02/logcheck-egrep-trailing-backslash/
06:52 TR Bot; logcheck egrep: trailing backslash (\) Dan Langille's Other Diary
06:54 TR News; Ada development on FreeBSD 13.1 https://blog.vacs.fr/vacs/blogs/post.html?post=2022/08/05/Ada-on-FreeBSD-13.1
06:54 TR Bot; Ada development on FreeBSD 13.1
06:54 TR News; "On August 31, 2022, FreeBSD 13.0 will reach end-of-life and will no longer be supported by the FreeBSD Security Team. Users of FreeBSD 13.0 are strongly encouraged to upgrade to a newer release as soon as possible." https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-announce/2022-August/000044.html
06:54 TR Bot; FreeBSD 13.0 end-of-life
06:58 TR News; "And so it came as a shock, but maybe not as a surprise, that Rushdie was attacked this morning onstage, in Chautauqua, New York, of all places. He was about to speak to an audience at the Chautauqua Institution" https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2022/08/salman-rushdie-freedom-expression-attack/671134/
↺ https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2022/08/salman-rushdie-freedom-expression-attack/671134/
06:58 TR Bot; All Because Salman Rushdie Wrote a Book - The Atlantic
06:59 TR News; Is deletion of SPAM an act of "censorship" now? https://www.engadget.com/google-political-campaign-emails-spam-fec-approval-183735778.html?src=rss
↺ https://www.engadget.com/google-political-campaign-emails-spam-fec-approval-183735778.html?src=rss
06:59 TR Bot; says Google can let political campaigns dodge Gmail's spam filters | Engadget
06:59 TR News; "The organisers of a film festival have cancelled the upcoming screening of an award-winning short movie after censors demanded the removal of a scene depicting a protest site during the 2014 Umbrella Movement." https://hongkongfp.com/2022/08/12/hong-kong-film-dropped-from-festival-after-censors-object-to-umbrella-movement-scene-lasting-under-a-second/
06:59 TR Bot; Hong Kong film dropped from festival after censors object to Umbrella Movement scene lasting under a second - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
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07:00 TR News; Concerned About Abortion Surveillance and Law Enforcement? Time To Treat Encryption Seriously https://reason.com/2022/08/10/concerned-about-abortion-surveillance-and-law-enforcement-time-to-treat-encryption-seriously/
07:00 TR Bot; Encryption could limit law enforcement's abortion surveillance
07:03 TR News; "The NFT boom is not about art or ownership. It is about escape." https://stop.zona-m.net/2022/02/on-nft-and-metaverse/
07:03 TR Bot; on nft and metaverse | Stop at Zona-M
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07:14 TR News; "Discover" now has "Get Lagrange!" Excellent, making Gemini clients even easier and faster to install, update...
07:17 TR News; Geopard has also been added to repos. Getting Gemini clients on GNU/Linux is getting a lot easier.
07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
08:22 TR News; "I would like to put a 2-column table into an array after scraping a web page" gemini://auragem.space/~ask/16/16
08:23 TR News; "We have sections for various arts and sciences, maybe we could also have a section for music." gemini://auragem.space/~ask/1/15
08:26 TR News; Plasma/Neon, Discover, Flatpak, and Geopard: Close, But No Cigar | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/geopard-flatpak/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/15/geopard-flatpak/
08:26 TR Bot; Plasma/Neon, Discover, Flatpak, and Geopard: Close, But No Cigar | Techrights
08:31 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, August 14, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/irc-log-140822/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/15/irc-log-140822/
08:31 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, August 14, 2022 | Techrights
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08:36 TR News; (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
08:36 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
08:38 TR News; Red Hat this morning: "IT industry has been talking about edge computing for years"... "edge computing is a natural expansion of their maturing cloud strategy"... CLOWN... EDGE... $INSERT_BUZZWORD https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/edge-computing-4-essentials-cio-it-leaders
08:38 TR Bot; Edge computing: 4 pillars for CIOs and IT leaders | The Enterprisers Project
08:38 TR News; Microsoft is a collapsing company https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-is-showing-ads-for-microsoft-365-in-office-2021/ see http://techrights.org/2022/08/10/working-to-win-back-customers/
08:38 TR Bot; Microsoft is showing ads for Microsoft 365 in Office 2021
08:39 TR Bot; Microsoft Death Spiral: Microsoft Fires 200 Employees Working to Win Back Customers | Techrights
08:40 TR News; There are more and more options these days for browsing/navigating Geminispace and theres even a new Gemini client called Geopard; a Flatpak exists for it http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/geopard-flatpak/
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09:18 TR News; (New Entry): 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: August 14th, 2022 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_August_14th_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_August_14th_2022.gmi
09:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: August 14th, 2022
09:19 TR News; (New Entry): 9 Best Free Linux Screen Capture Tools (Updated 2022) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/9_Best_Free_Linux_Screen_Capture_Tools_Updated_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/9_Best_Free_Linux_Screen_Capture_Tools_Updated_2022.gmi
09:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines 9 Best Free Linux Screen Capture Tools (Updated 2022)
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 TR News; QUIC and HTTP/3 with wolfSSL | daniel.haxx.se https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/08/15/quic-and-http-3-with-wolfssl/ Source: daniel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/08/15/quic-and-http-3-with-wolfssl/
09:20 TR Bot; and HTTP/3 with wolfSSL | daniel.haxx.se
09:48 TR News; "Add support to the sftp-server for the home-directory extension defined in draft-ietf-secsh-filexfer-extensions-00." https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220812085037 | Source: Undeadly
09:48 TR Bot; sftp-server(8) gains support for home-directory request
09:49 TR News; "Many proxy users have to use their proxy to do Internet transfers" https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/08/12/the-dream-of-auto-detecting-proxies/ | Source: Daniel Stenberg
09:49 TR Bot; dream of auto-detecting proxies | daniel.haxx.se
09:49 TR News; greenpeace on "greenwashing" https://www.greenpeace.org/aotearoa/story/from-climate-denial-to-greenwashing/ | Source: Greenpeace
09:49 TR Bot; From climate denial to greenwashing - Greenpeace Aotearoa
09:53 TR News; Misinformation https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/business/media/on-tiktok-election-misinformation.html | Source: New York Times
09:53 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/business/media/on-tiktok-election-misinformation.html )
09:57 TR News; "Spider-Man Remastered launched last Friday to decent reviews but gamers in Russia face problems buying from Steam." https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-spider-man-remastered-steam-keys-sell-out-in-sanctioned-russia-220815/ | Source: Torrent Freak
09:57 TR Bot; Spider-Man Remastered Steam Keys Sell Out in Sanctioned Russia * TorrentFreak
09:57 TR News; "In addition to offering piracy insights, MUSO also helps copyright holders to take down infringing content from search engines and other online platforms." https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-sent-dmca-notices-on-behalf-of-indicted-copyright-swindlers-220814/ | Source: Torrent Freak
09:57 TR Bot; Group Continued to Send DMCA Notices on Behalf of Indicted Copyright Swindlers * TorrentFreak
09:58 TR News; "...while cops hired to guard event watched" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11109405/Salman-Rushdie-guarded-TWO-cops-event-stabbed.html iophk: it was members of the audience who actually stepped in and stopped the attack
09:58 TR Bot; Salman Rushdie is off ventilator and talking a day after attack, agent says | Daily Mail Online
09:58 TR News; iophk: An excellent interview with Cory Doctorow https://inside-agriturf.captivate.fm/episode/bricking-tractors-with-cory-doctorow
09:58 TR Bot; BRICKING TRACTORS with Cory Doctorow - Inside AgriTurf
09:59 TR News; iophk: microsoft shill lying about UEFI https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/08/11/154250#1266283
09:59 TR Bot; Laptop Shopping Advice Needed - SoylentNews
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10:14 TR News; "Around 2005, the Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards (OASIS) group defined an open format for office documents of all types" https://opensource.com/article/22/8/odt-files | Source: OpenSource.com
10:14 TR Bot; ODT files are structured | Opensource.com
10:14 TR News; "I'm a happy user of the XML-based Docbook markup language." https://opensource.com/article/22/8/drop-markdown-asciidoc | Source: OpenSource.com
10:14 TR Bot; Asciidoc instead of Markdown | Opensource.com
10:15 TR News; "The Move-X Cicerone is a new low-power board that puts together the Move-X MAMWLE LoRa module and the u-blox MAX-M10S GNSS module." https://linuxgizmos.com/move-x-cicerone-lora-gnss-board-is-compatible-with-arduino-mkr-form-factor/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
10:15 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/move-x-cicerone-lora-gnss-board-is-compatible-with-arduino-mkr-form-factor/ )
10:15 TR News; "The LattePanda 3 Delta features Intels 11th generation N5105 processor (4C/4T) which has a base frequency of 2.0GHz and a maximum frequency of 2.9GHz." https://linuxgizmos.com/lattepanda-3-delta-sbc-combines-11th-gen-celeron-and-atmega32u4-mcu/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
10:15 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/lattepanda-3-delta-sbc-combines-11th-gen-celeron-and-atmega32u4-mcu/ )
10:16 TR News; This Snake Has Legs https://hackaday.com/2022/08/14/this-snake-has-legs/ | Source: Hackaday
10:16 TR Bot; Snake Has Legs | Hackaday
10:16 TR News; ESP32 https://hackaday.com/2022/08/14/hackaday-prize-2022-solar-harvesting-esp32-camera-is-waterproof-repeatable/ | Source: Hackaday
10:16 TR Bot; Prize 2022: Solar-Harvesting ESP32 Camera Is Waterproof, Repeatable | Hackaday
10:17 TR News; Lennert Wouters (not Microsoft Lennart) https://hackaday.com/2022/08/14/starlink-ground-stations-successfully-hacked/ | Source: Hackaday
10:17 TR Bot; Ground Stations Successfully Hacked | Hackaday
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10:17 TR News; "Old-fashioned government media" https://telex.hu/english/2022/08/15/old-fashioned-government-media-is-being-gobbled-up-by-facebook-propaganda | Source: Telex (Hungary)
10:17 TR Bot; Telex: Old-fashioned government media is being gobbled up by Facebook propaganda
10:18 TR News; "Its a local story that mirrors the decline of daily newspapers nationwide and, along with it, American democracy. As Ive long lectured to journalism students" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/15/the-fall-of-a-great-american-newspaper-and-democracy/ | Source: Counter Punch
10:18 TR Bot; Fall Of A Great American Newspaper ... and Democracy - CounterPunch.org
10:18 TR News; "Lets be specific. When I was a schoolboy in the nineteen forties, the top CEOs of the Fortune 300 largest companies kept their pay at about 12 times the salary of the average worker in their business." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/15/watch-out-for-big-corporations-and-dangerous-politicians-breaking-our-established-norms/ | Source: Counter Punch
10:18 TR Bot; Out for Big Corporations and Dangerous Politicians Breaking Our Established Norms - CounterPunch.org
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10:19 TR News; "Nor is the Pentagon shy about spending from its bloated wallet to woo new recruits" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/15/a-military-rich-in-dollars-poor-in-people/ this money does not go to troops, it goes to corporations. Corporate welfare/bailout.
10:19 TR Bot; Military Rich in Dollars, Poor in People - CounterPunch.org
10:19 schestowitz[TR2]; hi, hossa
10:19 techuser; hi
10:19 hossa; shalom
10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
10:21 TR News; dG's ASCII art log Stargazer Idia (Twisted Wonderland) gemini://discgator.flounder.online/ascii-log/stargazer-idia.gmi
10:22 hossa; got another hour to spare
10:26 TR News; Wireshark https://hackaday.com/2022/08/14/whats-that-scope-trace-saying-upd-and-wireshark/ | Source: Hackaday
10:26 TR Bot; That Scope Trace Saying? UPD And Wireshark | Hackaday
10:30 TR News; Police Lied to Get the Warrant to Search Breonna Taylors Home https://truthout.org/articles/police-lied-to-get-the-warrant-to-search-breonna-taylors-home/ | Source: TruthOut
10:30 TR Bot; Police Lied to Get the Warrant to Search Breonna Taylors Home
10:33 TR News; IRA https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/14/failure-ira-extend-child-tax-credit-tremendous-missed-opportunity | Source: Common Dreams
10:33 TR Bot; Opinion | Failure of IRA to Extend Child Tax Credit a Tremendous Missed Opportunity | Elisa Minoff
10:34 TR News; BillPC: the Microsoft- and Bill gates-sponsored propaganda service https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/14/no-excuse-nprs-distorted-history-us-invasion-afghanistan | Source: Common Dreams
10:34 TR Bot; Opinion | No Excuse for NPR's Distorted History of US Invasion of Afghanistan | Bryce Greene
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10:40 TR News; Disinformation https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/14/will-us-democracy-survive-right-wings-fake-news-industry | Source: Common Dreams
10:40 TR Bot; Opinion | Will US Democracy Survive the Right-Wing's Fake News Industry? | Thom Hartmann
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10:43 TR News; "Almost half of all T-Mobile customers in the USA were victims of a huge data breach." https://digit.site36.net/2022/08/15/millions-of-us-accounts-affected-telecom-group-conceals-information-about-hacked-personal-data/ | Source: Site36
10:43 TR Bot; Millions of US accounts affected: Telecom group conceals information about hacked personal data Security Architectures in the EU
10:52 TR News; (New Entry): Security Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Security_Leftovers.gmi
10:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
10:52 TR News; (New Entry): Standards/Consortia: OpenDocument, Asciidoc, and HTTP/3 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Standards_Consortia_OpenDocument_Asciidoc_and_HTTP_3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Standards_Consortia_OpenDocument_Asciidoc_and_HTTP_3.gmi
10:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines Standards/Consortia: OpenDocument, Asciidoc, and HTTP/3
10:52 TR News; (New Entry): Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino, LattePanda, ESP32, and More https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Open_Hardware_Modding_Arduino_LattePanda_ESP32_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Open_Hardware_Modding_Arduino_LattePanda_ESP32_and_More.gmi
10:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino, LattePanda, ESP32, and More
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11:00 TR News; (New Entry): : Google #Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Leftovers.gmi
11:00 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
11:03 TR News; Kubernetes: Meet Our Contributors - APAC (China region) https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/08/15/meet-our-contributors-china-ep-03/
11:03 TR Bot; Meet Our Contributors - APAC (China region) | Kubernetes
11:08 TR News; (New Entry): 7 Big Changes Coming to Nautilus in GNOME 43 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/7_Big_Changes_Coming_to_Nautilus_in_GNOME_43.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/7_Big_Changes_Coming_to_Nautilus_in_GNOME_43.gmi
11:08 TR Bot; Tux Machines 7 Big Changes Coming to Nautilus in GNOME 43
11:09 TR News; wccftech = Larabel metoo-ism https://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-platinum-8380-ice-lake-cpu-shows-great-improvement-in-linux-6-0/
11:09 TR Bot; Intel Xeon Platinum 8380 "Ice Lake" CPU Shows Great Improvement In Linux 6.0
11:12 TR News; "IRL is an original podcast from Mozilla, the non-profit behind Firefox. In Season 6, host Bridget Todd shares stories of people who make AI more trustworthy in real life. This season doubles as Mozillas 2022 Internet Health Report. Go to the report for show notes, transcripts, and more." https://2022.internethealthreport.org/episodes/ai-from-above/
11:12 TR Bot; AI from Above The Internet Health Report 2022
11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
11:24 TR News; [PATCH v5 0/7] AMD Pstate Enhancement And Issue Fixs - Perry Yuan https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220814163548.326686-1-Perry.Yuan@amd.com/ Source: amd | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220814163548.326686-1-Perry.Yuan@amd.com/
11:24 TR Bot; [PATCH v5 0/7] AMD Pstate Enhancement And Issue Fixs - Perry Yuan
11:25 TR News; (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
11:25 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
11:26 TR News; [PATCH v14 00/14] Multi-Gen LRU Framework https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220815071332.627393-1-yuzhao@google.com/T/ Source: google | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220815071332.627393-1-yuzhao@google.com/T/<li><h5><a href="https://nextgentips.com/2022/08/15/how-to-install-saltstack-on-fedora-36/">How to install SaltStack on Fedora 36 NextGenTips</a></h5>
11:26 TR Bot; [PATCH v14 00/14] Multi-Gen LRU Framework
11:26 TR Bot; to install SaltStack on Fedora 36 NextGenTips
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11:47 TR News; Links 15/08/2022: Big Changes in Nautilus and FreeBSD 13.0 EOL | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/freebsd-13-0-eol/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/15/freebsd-13-0-eol/
11:47 TR Bot; Links 15/08/2022: Big Changes in Nautilus and FreeBSD 13.0 EOL | Techrights
11:48 TR News; (New Entry): today's leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/mixture.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/mixture.gmi
11:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
11:48 TR News; (New Entry): Latest From OpenBSD and FreeBSD Projects https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Latest_From_OpenBSD_and_FreeBSD_Projects.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Latest_From_OpenBSD_and_FreeBSD_Projects.gmi
11:49 TR Bot; Tux Machines Latest From OpenBSD and FreeBSD Projects
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11:54 schestowitz[TR2]; hi, CrystalMath
11:55 CrystalMath; hi :)
11:55 TR News; "1:44 Is EndeavourOS Arch? 11:06 The Intro to the History of EndeavourOS" https://www.linuxuserspace.show/304
11:55 TR Bot; Linux User Space: Episode 3:04: The Endeavour Endeavor
11:59 TR News; "Considering these facts, NFTs may be just the last Ponzi scheme to part fools from their money, which in too many cases they are just that. Ditto for another buzzword of the moment, the so-called metaverse." https://stop.zona-m.net/2022/02/the-real-value-of-nfts-bringing-hikikomoris-to-the-metaverse/
11:59 TR Bot; The real value of NFTs? Bringing hikikomoris to the metaverse | Stop at Zona-M
12:00 TR News; Salix 15.0-rc3 is out https://blog.salixos.org/
12:00 TR Bot; The Salix Blog
12:01 TR News; Intel code is crap. But Intel compensates for it by hiring assholes to troll Torvalds and others (like Tso) https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YvUKLbv%2FpOfbbeL+@pendragon.ideasonboard.com/
12:01 TR Bot; Re: Missing MIPI IPU6 camera driver for Intel Alder Lake laptops - Laurent Pinchart
12:02 TR News; Greg KH: "don't buy these devices if the vendor is not willing to get their drivers upstreamed properly." https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YvUaEDMbZD70x+hD@kroah.com/
12:02 TR Bot; Re: Missing MIPI IPU6 camera driver for Intel Alder Lake laptops - Greg KH
12:03 TR News; "So I'll stick with my original statement, don't buy this hardware as the vendors don't seem to want to upstream the drivers any time soon :(" https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YvnybHVFmpUJs4qi@kroah.com/ boycott Intel and its defective Windows products http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
12:03 TR Bot; Re: Missing MIPI IPU6 camera driver for Intel Alder Lake laptops - Greg KH
12:03 TR Bot; Intel leaks - Techrights
12:05 TR News; Intel "technical" team = Microsofters. It wasn't always this way. There was entryism. http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
12:06 TR News; Choosing Intel for "Linux" something is like entering a mosque in pursuit of some succulent pork
12:10 TR News; "What do Ryan DasGeek from @TuxDigital Jay from @Learn Linux TV have to say about buying hardware? "Buy native Linux hardware from vendors that actually ship Linux."" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KhlMcxsoF0
12:10 TR Bot; https://y.com.sb/watch?v=2KhlMcxsoF0
12:10 TR Bot; y.com.sb | Should you only buy Linux-native hardware? Ft. Jay LaCroix and Ryan DasGeek - Invidious
12:12 TR News; "Few tools walk the right line between declarative and imperative like make." https://matt-rickard.com/the-unreasonable-effectiveness-of-makefiles
12:12 TR Bot; The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Makefiles
12:14 TR News; The FTC takes aim at commercial surveillance https://pluralistic.net/2022/08/12/regulatory-uncapture/#conscious-uncoupling Meanwhile, in Silicon Valley, I hear, "I don't care if Google has my data they just want to show me better ads."
12:14 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 12 Aug 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:33 TR News; "As my favourite software lecturer used to say, its better to be clear than clever. He was talking about code reviews, but it easily applies to tasks you assign yourself. We all think were clever, but do X in your task manager feels far less intimidating if it has do A, B, and C subtasks underneath." https://rubenerd.com/too-hard-take-more-steps/
12:33 TR Bot; Too hard? Take more steps
12:35 TR News; "most of the money in our economy is not printed by the state, but created by private banks when they make loans the vast majority of which goes towards bidding up the price of existing assets (including commodities we rely on) rather than increasing the economys productive capacity." https://positivemoney.org/2022/08/align-banks-with-public-purpose/
12:35 TR Bot; To tackle the cost of living we need to align banks with public purpose - Positive Money
12:37 TR News; Check Disk Space Usage In Linux Using Ncdu - OSTechNix https://ostechnix.com/check-disk-space-usage-linux-using-ncdu/ Source: OSTechNix | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ostechnix.com/check-disk-space-usage-linux-using-ncdu/
12:37 TR Bot; Disk Space Usage In Linux Using Ncdu - OSTechNix
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12:57 TR News; "I just got back from work after summer vacation. I say work, but it's really just a paid internship. School starts again in 3 weeks, and I cannot wait. This job is so boring, and I feel so unwelcome." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1098
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12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 128.55
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13:03 schestowitz[TR2]; hi, geert
13:07 TR News; "If youre not aware of WebRTC, it allows for native real-time media connections between devices and browsers, including audio, video, and data transmission. As a result, users may instantaneously interact inside a web browser or app without the need for complicated plug-ins or other applications." https://net2.com/3-factors-why-webrtc-will-succeed-in-2022/
13:07 TR Bot; 3 Factors Why WebRTC Will Succeed in 2022
13:10 geert; schestowitz :)
13:11 TR News; "The emails alleged that Costello was paid as a secret Crown lobbyist in 2011 for a year, a claim he denies." https://michaelwest.com.au/james-packers-email-spray-is-more-than-a-falling-out-among-casino-mates/
13:11 TR Bot; James Packer's email spray is more than a falling out among casino mates - Michael West
13:12 TR News; "Morrison had himself sworn in as a spare health minister during the first months of the Covid pandemic and also held the finance and resources portfolios during different periods in 2020 and 2021." https://michaelwest.com.au/scott-morrison-pimpernel-pm-is-the-gift-that-keeps-giving/
13:12 TR Bot; Scott Morrison, pimpernel PM, is the gift that keeps giving - Michael West
13:14 TR News; The 'free' market: bailout for corporations during pandemic, COVID-19 for everybody (people) throughout the pandemic. Because corporations aren't people, they're "MORE IMPORTANT" than people?
13:15 TR News; "The past weekend contained two full days of the second Raku Conference." https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/08/15/2022-33-2nd-conf-succeeded/
13:15 TR Bot; 2022.33 2nd Conf Succeeded Rakudo Weekly News
13:17 TR News; "it seemed to attract more trolls than anything Ive written in a long time. Its disheartening to have something you enjoyed (and tried to share with people) immediately shat on by those who dont even bother to read it." https://rubenerd.com/qa-about-my-new-nw-a55-walkman/
13:17 TR Bot; Q&A about my NW-A55 Walkman
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13:19 TR News; "Later on, MS abused that power repeatedly, stole code, copied ideas, unfairly pushed rivals out of business, and generally became a bully and a criminal. MS effectively killed Be, Netscape, and Central Point Software; it crippled Aldus and STAC; and many more." https://liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/85836.html
13:19 TR Bot; liam_on_linux | MS-DOS was *not* an illegal clone of CP/M
13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
13:20 TR News; UW study strengthens evidence of link between air pollution and child brain development | UW News https://www.washington.edu/news/2022/07/12/uw-study-strengthens-evidence-of-link-between-air-pollution-and-child-brain-development/ Source: washingtonUni
13:20 TR Bot; UW study strengthens evidence of link between air pollution and child brain development | UW News
13:21 TR News; Debunking Jordan Petersons Cultural Marxism https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/08/14/a-word-to-organize-people-to-be-hateful-towards-those-they-disagree/
13:21 TR Bot; A word to organize people to be hateful towards those they disagree neritam
13:23 TR News; Guardian takes bribes from Bill Gates, who uses the Guardian to cover up his Jeffrey Epstein connections... while sobbing about poverty https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/22/liverpool-food-banks-confront-rising-hunger
13:23 TR Bot; Theres nothing else to give them: Liverpool food banks confront rising hunger | Food banks | The Guardian
13:26 TR News; "So, this book is about the incredible ways in which other animals sense the world around us. At the core of it is a concept called Umwelt, the idea that each creature has its own sensory bubble..." https://www.democracynow.org/2022/07/15/in_immense_world_science_writer_ed
13:26 TR Bot; In Immense World, Science Writer Ed Yong Shows How Animal Senses Reveal Hidden Realms Around Us | Democracy Now!
13:29 TR News; C++ vs Python: Get The Right Tool in 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/c-plus-plus-vs-python-get-the-right-tool/ Source: UbuntuPIT | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntupit.com/c-plus-plus-vs-python-get-the-right-tool/
13:29 TR Bot; C++ vs Python: Get The Right Tool in 2022
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14:18 TR News; <blockquote><p>
14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
14:23 TR News; This is the very same Google that put NSA-weakened encryption inside the Linux kernel before it got yanked out months later https://www.securityweek.com/google-boosts-bug-bounty-rewards-linux-kernel-vulnerabilities
14:23 TR Bot; Boosts Bug Bounty Rewards for Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities | SecurityWeek.Com
14:24 TR News; SpellBinding: GILNUYW Wordo: SNOEK gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-15.gmi
14:25 TR News; Borgmatic and snapper, part 2 gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-08-15.gmi
14:26 TR News; "The desktop was given to me by a relative. I mostly use it for writing when I want to avoid any distractions. It's disconnected from the Internet most of the time." gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/replies/counting-computers.gmi
14:26 TR News; (New Entry): Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Google Finance https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Google_Finance.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Google_Finance.gmi
14:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Google Finance
14:28 TR News; Haskell, GTK and CSS Theming (Give Your Apps Style!) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=G02sACDeQ8s | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/G02sACDeQ8s
14:28 TR Bot; Haskell, GTK and CSS Theming (Give Your Apps Style!) - Invidious
14:29 TR News; "Anti-queer hate crimes are at an all-time high. Murders of transgender and gender-nonconforming people have skyrocketed year over year since 2016." https://publicknowledge.org/hiding-out-a-case-for-queer-experiences-informing-data-privacy-laws/
14:29 TR Bot; Hiding OUT: A Case for Queer Experiences Informing Data Privacy Laws - Public Knowledge
14:30 TR News; PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL JDBC versions 42.4.1/42.2.26 Security Update https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/postgresql-jdbc-versions-424142226-security-update-2492/ Source: postgresql
14:30 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL JDBC versions 42.4.1/42.2.26 Security Update
14:32 TR News; "CentOS (Version 9), Debian (Version 11.3), Fedora LXDE, Workstation, or Server (Version 36.1.5), OpenSUSE (Version 15.4), Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop/Server, pfSense (Version 2.6.0), TrueNAS (FreeNAS) (Version 13.0), RedHat Enterprise (Version 9.0), and OPNSense (Version 22.1.2)." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/15/thin-mini-itx-networking-board-features-six-2-5gbe-ports-celeron-j6412-elkhart-lake-soc/
14:32 TR Bot; Thin Mini-ITX networking board features six 2.5GbE ports, Celeron J6412 Elkhart Lake SoC - CNX Software
14:33 TR News; (New Entry): : Google #Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi
14:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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14:55 TR News; (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.3.gmi
14:55 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
14:56 TR News; The Linux Phone - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dk1nwrA0yJE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/dk1nwrA0yJE
14:56 TR Bot; The Linux Phone - Invidious
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 10.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 125.13
14:59 TR News; OK, I think I'm done (for good) with Unlimited Hangout and Whitney Webb. She went on a show of Gareth Icke, the son of infamous public speaker and conspiracy theorist David Icke. She's trying to promote her book on Epstein to cranks. Deleted from RSS.
15:02 TR News; We know smears by association aren't necessarily a thing, but this is a voluntary link. A link does not mean agreement, but basic smell test should have guided Webb NOT to associate in any way with the Ickes. This is a lot worse than going on the air with Sputnik and/or RT. Very, very disappointing.
15:03 TR News; EasyOS Dunfell-series 64-bit version 4.3.4 released https://bkhome.org/news/202208/easyos-dunfell-series-64-bit-version-434-released.html
15:03 TR Bot; EasyOS Dunfell-series 64-bit version 4.3.4 released
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15:11 TR News; Twitter is becoming very inactive overall. The numbers are kept close to managers' chest, but one can be sure they too could /confess/confirm... if tortured by shareholder.
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15:12 TR News; RMS incommunicado for months and FSF not doing any campaigns this year. They will let supporters down if they don't actually do anything...
15:16 CrystalMath; antiimperialists rejoice: today is the first anniversary of the liberation of afghanistan from american occupiers
15:17 schestowitz[TR2]; women do not rejoice
15:17 schestowitz[TR2]; the occupiers changed
15:18 CrystalMath; the pashtuns are the people of afghanistan...
15:18 CrystalMath; i can't imagine what kind of woman would prefer a foreign occupation to her own people
15:19 CrystalMath; but if they exist, they don't have to support bloody violence, they can just leave
15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
15:30 geert; very many victims, on practically all human sides, regarding afghan conflict
15:30 geert; well lets be careful: almost all sides
15:57 Helenah; CrystalMath! :D
15:57 Helenah; Hi hi :3
15:57 CrystalMath; Helenah <3
16:10 geert; Helenah, CrystalMath :)
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16:17 TR News; "Scammers were able to convince YouTube that other peoples music was their own. They successfully stole $23 million before they were caught." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/08/23-million-youtube-royalties-scam.html
16:17 TR Bot; Million YouTube Royalties Scam - Schneier on Security
16:19 Helenah; geert, CrystalMath :D
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
16:20 TR News; Tutorial: an Illustration from A to Z with Krita https://www.davidrevoy.com/article924/tutorial-an-illustration-from-a-to-z-with-krita
16:20 TR Bot; Tutorial: an Illustration from A to Z with Krita - David Revoy
16:22 TR News; The slant from Microsoft's booster Liam Tung. "Linux 6.0 arrives with performance improvements and more Rust coming" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.shtml
16:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux 6.0-rc1 (UPDATEDx3)
16:22 TR News; (New Entry): Security Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi
16:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
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16:27 TR News; (New Entry): Videos/Shows https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Videos_Shows.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Videos_Shows.gmi
16:27 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos/Shows
16:33 TR News; MS-DOS was not an illegal clone of CP/M https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/MS_DOS_was_not_an_illegal_clone_of_CP_M.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/MS_DOS_was_not_an_illegal_clone_of_CP_M.gmi
16:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines MS-DOS was *not* an illegal clone of CP/M
16:34 TR News; John Goerzen: The Joy of Easy Personal Radio: FRS, GMRS, and Motorola DLR/DTR https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10406-the-joy-of-easy-personal-radio-frs-gmrs-and-motorola-dlr-dtr
16:34 TR Bot; The Joy of Easy Personal Radio: FRS, GMRS, and Motorola DLR/DTR | The Changelog
16:37 TR News; "This month Ive been pondering offline-first apps. The online aspect of modern apps is an important feature for many use-cases: it enables collaboration between multiple people and seamless transition between devices (e.g. I often switch between my personal workstation, my laptop, and my phone)." https://emersion.fr/blog/2022/status-update-44/
16:37 TR Bot; Status update, August 2022 emersion
16:45 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/254127 <https://nitter.it/Shayan86/status/1558482499688341504#m>
16:45 TR Bot; I confess to all crimes, commanders should be punished Russian soldier recounts occupation of Kyiv area to journalists
16:45 TR Bot; Sardarizadeh (@Shayan86): "It's day 171 of Ukraine war and the Russian embassy in the UK is posting misinformation again. This clip is not evidence of a "staged" attack in Ukraine. It's from the set of a Ukrainian film about the war called Region of Heroes, fact-checked by @APFactCheck."|nitter.it
16:45 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/254138
16:45 TR Bot; A 2.5x3 meter concrete shoebox with a hole in the floor and two cameras under the ceiling Alexei Navalny sent to a punishment cell
16:46 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/15/apple-demands-rutube-hide-russian-state-media-content-in-its-app-news "Apple demands Rutube hide Russian state media content in its iOS application"
16:46 TR Bot; .
16:47 TR News; (New Entry): Programming Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi
16:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
16:47 TR News; (New Entry): EasyOS Dunfell-series 64-bit version 4.3.4 released https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/EasyOS_Dunfell_series_64_bit_version_4_3_4_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/EasyOS_Dunfell_series_64_bit_version_4_3_4_released.gmi
16:47 TR Bot; Tux Machines EasyOS Dunfell-series 64-bit version 4.3.4 released
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18:01 MinceR; > They will let supporters down if they don't actually do anything...
18:01 MinceR; they already have
18:02 MinceR; 15 161838 < CrystalMath> i can't imagine what kind of woman would prefer a foreign occupation to her own people
18:02 MinceR; probably the kind that prefers to have human rights and/or doesn't enjoy religious fundamentalist oppression
18:05 phanes; I wasn't even aware Israel was being occupied
18:12 CrystalMath; MinceR: even then, it seems much saner to me to leave rather than be a terrorist, unlike the entire world is like this
18:12 CrystalMath; *unless
18:13 CrystalMath; typed the wrong word, heh
18:13 MinceR; presumably those that could, left
18:14 CrystalMath; i wonder though... where do the people who hate liberalism go?
18:14 CrystalMath; considering it has conquered half the planet
18:14 MinceR; orcland, red china, north korea
18:14 CrystalMath; MinceR: coincidentally, all the places you want to destroy
18:14 CrystalMath; hum, i sense a pattern here
18:14 CrystalMath; not owned by the liberal mafia => MinceR wants it destroyed
18:15 *MinceR yawns
18:15 MinceR; ruscist propaganda is still predictable, boring and senseless
18:15 CrystalMath; i can't help but notice a pattern though
18:15 XRevan86; What did I miss?
18:16 MinceR; nothing
18:16 XRevan86; "antiimperialists rejoice: today is the first anniversary of the liberation of afghanistan from american occupiers" <- Ah. Classic CrystalMath.
18:16 MinceR; CrystalMath wants the freedom to choose the terms under which he can be unfree, not realizing the absurdity of that wish
18:17 XRevan86; MinceR: I think he just wants nation accountability gone.
18:18 CrystalMath; XRevan86: it doesn't exist... see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy_(international_relations)
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18:19 XRevan86; CrystalMath: I wonder what your opinion on Domestic Violence is.
18:19 CrystalMath; obviously, a sovereign nation is not accountable to everyone, we are not one world, no way is the one true way
18:19 CrystalMath; err, s/everyone/anyone/
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18:20 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Particularly, when there's family abuse and the victim asks the police for help, should they interfere?
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18:21 geert; well well well sometimes i get like a gnarly feel like some peeps tryna recreate wars but then more like online/virtually :S
18:21 geert; whats liberal? imperial? far most is called that which is not that at all
18:21 geert; whats religious? i mean atheism is not 'not religious', it is 'religious in atheist manner'
18:21 CrystalMath; XRevan86: probably yes, if it's true; but i would be against spying on people to search for such things proactively
18:22 geert; and again and again, far most conflict, warring seem to stem from 'lack of argument'
18:22 geert; in a way 'lack of argument' is also posing behind lots of fancy appearing terminology but meanwhile not understand a sily fuck about it
18:22 XRevan86; geert: I'd argue with that, but I was just praying to the non-God for some non-salvation.
18:22 XRevan86; All it takes is to not believe.
18:23 geert; its not that you dont believe, its more like people tend to believe different things
18:23 XRevan86; Sieze the non-non-believers!
18:23 CrystalMath; the shocking thing is that people just can't seem to accept that their view is not the absolute truth
18:23 geert; among which there is just one Truth, one real Truth, objective Truth, i dont think anything not Truth can really be believed.
18:23 geert; some say they can believe things though they dont understand, i dont think its real belief
18:23 XRevan86; CrystalMath: I do accept that, but something in me just doesn't let me side with the terrorists.
18:24 geert; by the way, you would not 'not argue', meanwhile the supposed prayer you forgot to finish it properly
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18:24 geert; so theres some 'science', or 'academia', talking lots of shit about supposedly found out fact that should be believed
18:24 geert; most often refuted within the century
18:24 geert; so very much most often, that i would basically consider trusting science per definition just 'ignorant'
18:25 XRevan86; Atheism is *not* a form of religion.
18:25 geert; oh it sure is
18:25 geert; though it doesnt impose as if theistic but rather atheistic
18:25 CrystalMath; a religion is a set of supernatural beliefs, it's not the same as an ideology which is simply a set of beliefs
18:25 CrystalMath; so atheism is an ideology but not a religion
18:25 geert; religion means 'system to deal experience of spirituality'
18:25 geert; agnost is religious system too
18:25 geert; atheism too
18:26 geert; seems like youactually dont get much about certain things you talk about
18:26 XRevan86; geert: I do not have spiritual experiences, what system do I use in that case?
18:26 CrystalMath; materialism is not really a supernatural belief
18:26 geert; thats bullocks,if you would not have spiritual experience, you would not have social feelings that aren't currently adequately described by 'academia'
18:26 geert; which is plain nonsense
18:27 geert; spiritual experience doesnt necessarily mean attributing it to whats considered difficult to believe or imagine
18:27 geert; you seriously got me more proof that you actually really dont get much what you figure yourself able to talk about
18:27 geert; its a sad position, kid.
18:28 geert; people mix so many words these days
18:28 geert; its staggering, like e.g. with the word 'respect'
18:28 CrystalMath; the belief in the non-existence of the supernatural is not a supernatural belief
18:28 geert; like police ppl say one should 'respect' the other
18:29 geert; respect pretty much means 'backing it too'
18:29 geert; they actually most often mean 'decency', they want 'decent approach' and they call it 'respect'
18:29 geert; it has gone this much down the drain regarding 'intelligence' these days, that when i would try explain that to a regular officer, in some cases i would expect to be attacked
18:30 geert; many things/people/concepts etc. cant just be respected like that
18:30 geert; its simply sheer impossible, since e.g. with people one cannot respect a person or his/her stances before getting more serious know about it first
18:30 geert; many those goons just dont get jack shit understand what the actual fuck they talk about
18:30 geert; you tryna teach me what about religion?
18:30 geert; you think?
18:30 geert; kid, you dont know jack shit wtf you talk about.
18:31 geert; i been studying this intensively for many many years, decades
18:31 geert; wtf you think the irregular appearing of this language application give you right to refute that?
18:31 MinceR; ah yes, the good old religious copium of "but they HAVE to believe in something!!!1111one"
18:31 XRevan86; geert: Sure, appeal to the authority of oneself.
18:32 geert; religious system is approach to certain experiencing, it does not necessarily prescribe 'believe'
18:32 geert; so religious system should not be mixed with belief either.
18:32 geert; well you tried that subjective approach to objective authority, i didnt
18:32 XRevan86; geert: I guess autism is religion too.
18:33 geert; then it would not be a disease anymore
18:33 MinceR; being dead is a religion!
18:33 geert; since it would be a result as approach
18:33 MinceR; religion is a disease too
18:33 XRevan86; MinceR: Good point, that definitely affects experiencing a great deal.
18:33 geert; hmmm i think 'dead' contrasts with 'being'
18:33 XRevan86; "then it would not be a disease anymore" <- Is it even that?
18:33 geert; but maybe some subjective nonsense try to refute that too
18:33 geert; haha
18:33 XRevan86; Depends on the severity.
18:34 geert; well let me just refrain from asking about different 'severity levels' of 'dead'
18:34 geert; it seems like some people just talk to talk
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18:34 MinceR; XRevan86: it's a mental disease
18:35 MinceR; 15 193342 < geert> hmmm i think 'dead' contrasts with 'being'
18:35 geert; wellits not when religiously applied
18:35 MinceR; finally, geert found the solution to fear of death
18:35 MinceR; and it didn't even need a god, or religion
18:35 geert; if autism would be religiously applied, it would be result instead of cause, hence not a disease anymore
18:35 geert; if that would be objectively established, autism hence would have never really been a disease
18:36 geert; it would have been an applied system to try deal insecurities with, more consciously and controlled than the definition of 'disease' provides room to
18:36 geert; but it might take a while for some people to grasp if one dont get jack shit about which one figured oneself able to talk
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18:36 XRevan86; geert: So basically, it's not a religion because it can already be classified as something else?
18:37 MinceR; basically "everyone who disagrees with me is stupid"
18:37 CrystalMath; every religion is an ideology, and atheism is also an ideology
18:37 geert; its not the subjective classification that disables certain combination
18:37 XRevan86; MinceR: Could be a religion in of itself :).
18:38 MinceR; it's a building block of many religions
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18:38 geert; like walking is not sitting however someone subjectively would want it to be
18:38 XRevan86; Walking is just a form of sitting, asittism if ye will.
18:38 MinceR; lol
18:38 geert; one would almost suggest you get to understand
18:39 geert; but i sense some blocking, probably unconsciously
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18:39 geert; are you trying to protect the insecurities with which you tried grow securities?
18:39 MinceR; dr geert is in office, and a diagnosis over IRC is forthcoming
18:39 XRevan86; geert: Don't know, I'm just having a good time here.
18:40 MinceR; i really don't know why we bother with psychology or psychiatry when untrained people apparently can do all those jobs over text-only chat quickly and easily
18:40 XRevan86; Arguments like not-X is just a type of X defined by the lack of X always amuse me.
18:40 geert; its a lot of assumptions, going without proper questions too :s
18:40 XRevan86; Or in this case: "not-X has been X all along, its X is just hard to spot".
18:41 geert; i didnt realy try pretend to diagnose you peeps
18:41 geert; but i got some serious reason to conclude you dont get jack shit about how religion works, what it actually means
18:41 geert; lots of people tend to mix it with theism/atheism etc. but it dont make it right
18:41 MinceR; yeah, it's so mysterious and magical
18:42 MinceR; only religious people can understand it
18:42 XRevan86; People who don't give a pillion over your spiritual experiences must simply have a spiritual/religious system which is like that.
18:42 geert; well i didnt impose the spiritual experiences i got upon you
18:42 geert; but you do seem to expect that
18:42 geert; preference or exptance maybe?
18:42 geert; expectance*
18:43 geert; this assumptions kids its not really solid ground to stand on
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18:43 geert; if somebody would abuse such imposing you could get really instable really fast in ways you probably dont grasp long past it happening
18:43 geert; as an example
18:43 XRevan86; I'm no kid, I'm a fully grown goat.
18:43 geert; its not a diagnosis too, actually ;)
18:43 MinceR; that high horse geert is on is just getting higher and higher
18:44 MinceR; hopefully soon the distance becomes so great we won't hear the proclamations anymore
18:44 geert; well well well and such connecting it to status PERCEPTION (since it hasnt got to do much with real status) sure is telling, too, and not about much 'knowledge'
18:44 geert; did you already got to endure some 'ignore' functions with irc chat clients?
18:45 geert; or maybe trying to blame others about lack of 'knowledge' again?
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18:45 geert; i wouldnt bet such horses kid, coz you might end up with that goat and not even getting that
18:45 XRevan86; MinceR: Wanna end up with me, whatever that means?
18:45 geert; huh you figured i was talking about you?
18:46 geert; maybe i wasnt even closely referring to you
18:46 MinceR; XRevan86: i don't know what it means
18:46 geert; now you probably dont want to classify that as experiencing of spirituality but im almost 100% sure it is
18:46 MinceR; i guess i'll just have to tremble in fear of the unknown.
18:46 XRevan86; geert: If ye weren't, then your human communication skills need work.
18:46 geert; it might take a while though, getting some thinking outside a small box realm
18:46 MinceR; lol
18:46 XRevan86; Holy crap, I was experiencing spirituality all along! In IRC of all places.
18:46 MinceR; that small box is still bigger than that book
18:47 geert; assumptions, assumptions
18:47 geert; i think 'in irc' its more displaying of 'effects' of 'feelings'
18:47 geert; i dont suggest you need to get mad at me for it :s
18:47 MinceR; i think it's just displaying a lot of apostrophes
18:48 geert; you missing out some sensible character sequence in between the punctuation
18:50 XRevan86; If had a lot of spiritual experiences since February 24th, I'm curious if that counts as religion.
18:50 geert; well anyways it seems to me you're just plain wrong MinceRand Xrevan86 too, and the way you try disguise it behind easily refuted subjective experiencing of spirituality seems like propaganda to me
18:51 geert; religion is SYSTEM to try deal such experiencing of spirituality
18:51 MinceR; yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone outside your cult is wrong and expendable
18:51 XRevan86; It was propaganda all along.
18:51 MinceR; it's a millennia-old story
18:51 MinceR; and you can see where it got us all
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18:51 geert; well you sure seem to think like that
18:51 XRevan86; geert: And my system to deal with that is atheism?
18:51 MinceR; it will be quite painful to find out that all the prayers in the world won't turn an asteroid away, or prolong the Sun's life cycle
18:51 MinceR; but we probably won't even live to see that
18:52 geert; would you try that kind of religious propaganda thats often called atheism, really?
18:52 geert; would you, really?
18:52 geert; XRevan86 you might get to tell me about it, honestly, would you, really?
18:52 MinceR; i'm not aware of such religious propaganda
18:52 geert; you never heard of atheism?
18:53 MinceR; i've never heard of a "religious propaganda thats often called atheism"
18:53 geert; hmmm its rather difficult diagnosing if one dont honestly try to answer
18:53 XRevan86; "would you try that kind of Putin propaganda thats often called anti-Putin, really?"
18:53 phanes; well you're right that it's a faith-based religion (atheism) but it is not propaganda so much as the source of some propaganda
18:53 geert; propagating any system is basically propaganda
18:53 geert; didnt you realize that as well?
18:53 MinceR; it's rather difficult to diagnose anyone over text chat
18:53 geert; oh boy we might get intellectual trouble with the respect/decency thing
18:53 MinceR; (try "impossible")
18:54 MinceR; maybe you should try practicing that "respect/decency thing"
18:54 geert; not entirely, necessarily, although the subject shouldnt lie
18:54 MinceR; and there's the next step
18:54 MinceR; "everyone who disagrees with me lies"
18:54 geert; subjectivity you mean?
18:54 geert; huh wat? assumptions again?
18:54 XRevan86; MinceR: Could've been worse, could've been freudianism.
18:55 geert; look propagating any system doesnt necessarily need to be incorrect, it is propaganda though
18:55 MinceR; "everything i disagree with is propaganda"
18:55 geert; thats another subjective assumption that isnt really stemming from what i said
18:55 geert; really, really telling psychologically
18:55 geert; not enough to just correctly assume diagnosis, of course
18:55 geert; :D
18:56 MinceR; well, at least you managed to learn that part
18:56 MinceR; it's better than what i've seen from most fundamentalists
18:56 XRevan86; Thought of another example: anarchy is a form of government.
18:56 MinceR; lol
18:56 MinceR; being bald is a hair color
18:56 MinceR; classic example: not collecting stamps is a hobby
18:57 XRevan86; MinceR: That's nearly perfect.
18:57 geert; some of you people get to say things i might get to chew on for some while before reacting, if reacting would be appropriate
18:58 XRevan86; Stamp non-collectors are the most arrogant people of all.
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18:59 XRevan86; MinceR: Chaos is a very highly organised system.
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19:01 geert; please, better not consider lack of reply reason to stop telling.
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19:03 XRevan86; I wonder if alcoholism can be considered a religion, it's definitely a big part of the experience for some people.
19:04 geert; in certain circumstances i guess it certain CAN be CONSIDERED 'religious'.
19:05 phanes; the "anarchy is not a system of government" example is actually wrong
19:05 geert; but if it really would be, don't you think theres a conflict with the 'lack of control' if comes to 'systematic approach' to 'dealing spiritual experiences'?
19:05 phanes; both in and out of that context
19:06 phanes; for starters, the lack of something being a type of something is not a valid contrast for atheism as a religion because atheism is, in fact, faith-based
19:06 phanes; and secondly, anarchy is, for all sensible taxonomial models of governance, a form of governance
19:07 geert; oh wait, it seem somebody try to do some serious other thing than assumptions as if diagnosis
19:07 XRevan86; phanes: So what is the faith?
19:08 phanes; XRevan86, the entire atheist religion rests solely on the faith-based assertion of there not being a creator deity
19:08 phanes; note that atheism is not agnosticism and agnosticism is not a form of atheism despite some agnostics going to great length to counter the taxonomy in public sources, so, this issue is tained until wikipedia and similar regains integrity
19:08 XRevan86; phanes: So is a lack of trust in the religious institutions and the religious teachings a form of trust in the opposite?
19:09 MinceR; phanes: let me guess, you believe that the assertion of there being a creator deity is not faith-based
19:09 phanes; XRevan86, no but a belief system based on a faith-based assertion is definitionaly a religion when organized
19:09 XRevan86; I'm going to say this one more day: I *believe*, I have faith in, that the Loch Ness monster is not a thing.
19:10 XRevan86; * one more time
19:10 MinceR; XRevan86: let's build a religion around that faith
19:10 XRevan86; I do welcome the attempts to prove me wrong.
19:10 geert; believe/faith does contrast with insecurity, and again whats called 'relgion' does not prescribe 'belief'
19:10 phanes; XRevan86, non-sequitur as you do not tie the lochness monster into the spiritual working of the universe. If your religion is that you believe the lochness monster did not create the universe and govern the afterlife then perhaps it could be
19:10 geert; meaning some tend to system what they dont know, rather dealing insecurity than 'belief'
19:10 XRevan86; If someone does find the Loch Ness monster, I will forfeit and admit that my faith was based on a wrong assertion.
19:10 geert; or trying to deal insecurity*
19:11 XRevan86; phanes: I don't see a significant difference.
19:11 phanes; XRevan86, then you should try harder
19:11 XRevan86; phanes: It's an aspect of the world we live in.
19:11 XRevan86; Either it's there or it's not.
19:11 XRevan86; The only difference is the scale.
19:11 phanes; being deliberately obtuse to clarification is not a counterargument
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19:12 MinceR; i see
19:12 XRevan86; phanes: If I say that I reject Loch Ness as a god, would that count?
19:13 MinceR; "my beliefs are facts; everyone who disagrees is doing so on the basis of faith"
19:13 MinceR; yet another wonderful basis for argument
19:13 phanes; XRevan86, yes that would make it a religion
19:13 phanes; MinceR, yes, my assertions here are facts
19:14 XRevan86; Surprisingly not that hard to tie Loch Ness into the spiritual working of the universe.
19:14 phanes; i can provide proof in sentential notation if you'd like
19:14 geert; nononono i think you get to mix things, that people subjectively figure themselves able to believe what they CONSIDER facts, does not necessarily make it fact based and if not, it wont be serious belief
19:14 XRevan86; phanes: I also reject Doctor Who as my god.
19:14 geert; but rather pretention to believe what one actualy then proof not got to understand so to say
19:14 XRevan86; and assert that he/she is not a real thing.
19:15 XRevan86; on top of that
19:15 phanes; XRevan86, great, but irrelevant to the taxonomy of atheism as a religion over a faith-based assertion that there is no god
19:15 geert; well anyways we cannot enforce development levels to one another
19:15 XRevan86; I can say that about *a lot* of things, which would make my religious belief infinitely long.
19:15 geert; and since some of you kind of reflect some different perspectives i think i should try imagine a bit about it
19:16 phanes; XRevan86, humans are irrevocably bound to faith as a component of logic
19:16 MinceR; phanes: life is too short to spend it arguing with religious people.
19:16 XRevan86; TRUE AND TRUE = TRUE, therefore God.
19:16 phanes; even when they are pretending otherwise, to themselves and others
19:17 phanes; XRevan86, no thats just the dumber weaker argument you were more prepared to have -- i have made no assertion about the existence of God, only of the taxonomical designation of atheism as a religion
19:18 MinceR; you have made such an assertion
19:18 MinceR; you should have been more careful
19:18 phanes; MinceR, it helps to read what is said and not what you wanted to argue with
19:18 XRevan86; phanes: I'll be ready to believe in God, or whichever, when I see some evidence for its existence.
19:19 phanes; XRevan86, great, until then your ->religion is atheism
19:19 XRevan86; At this point it's like believing in the phantoms that Russian propaganda is constructing.
19:19 phanes; i assume you're an atheist
19:19 XRevan86; Gods are phantoms, figments of human imagination.
19:19 phanes; i don't confirm or dispute that
19:19 MinceR; "not believing is believing"
19:19 MinceR; again
19:20 XRevan86; There is evidence to support that conjecture.
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19:20 phanes; because i can differentiate between an argument about whether God exists and an argument about the classification of atheism as a religion
19:20 phanes; you gotta pump those numbers up bub, this is rookie logic
19:21 XRevan86; phanes: I am atheist, and I don't give blind faith.
19:21 XRevan86; All I'm trying to show.
19:21 geert; i dont think people can impose their subjective experiencing of spirituality just upon others their perspective
19:21 geert; but i do get to know, for sure, that real faith/belief is *not* blind
19:22 geert; its rather about *serious* facts, objectively, that ones subjective perception got kind of hold of
19:22 geert; so to say
19:22 MinceR; don't do it, then
19:22 TR News; Small scale fishers call for halt to gas and oil exploration | GroundUp https://www.groundup.org.za/article/small-scale-fishers-call-for-halt-to-oceanic-gas-and-oil-exploration/ Source: groundup | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.groundup.org.za/article/small-scale-fishers-call-for-halt-to-oceanic-gas-and-oil-exploration/
19:22 TR Bot; Small scale fishers call for halt to gas and oil exploration | GroundUp
19:22 XRevan86; Ye can say all ye want that I don't trust therefore I trust in that there's no trust.
19:22 XRevan86; To me it's just silly.
19:22 phanes; XRevan86, great, except, definitionally, those are contradictory assertions. you literally cannot subscribe to a religion without some degree of faith, and you profess to subscribe to a religion called atheism
19:23 XRevan86; phanes: I don't subscribe, I classify.
19:23 techuser; there were some memes related, let me try to find them
19:23 geert; classification with typifying should concern facts, if it doesnt i think its propaganda too
19:23 phanes; XRevan86, if you're an atheist, you have some degree of faith in your belief system definitionally, so, when you say you don't give blind faith, it means you are either wrong about that or wrong about being an atheist. which is it?
19:24 XRevan86; phanes: So is my rejection of Putin also religious?
19:24 XRevan86; It's a lot stronger too.
19:25 geert; i think we get to experience difficulties combining several differing subjective perspectives to more closely match objective reality
19:25 phanes; XRevan86, only if you build a spiritual belief system around your rejection of putin
19:25 MinceR; we're reaching ever greater heights of equivocation
19:25 XRevan86; phanes: I don't build a spiritual belief system over anything.
19:26 phanes; if you say "putin is not god" and build an organized religious system around it, ok, that's aputinist atheism
19:26 XRevan86; phanes: That's kind of the point.
19:26 MinceR; lol
19:26 phanes; I accept your concession
19:26 MinceR; wouldn't it be "aputinist" if it implied a belief in the nonexistence of putin?
19:26 XRevan86; phanes: So do ye agree that my being atheist doesn't mean I'm some freaky form of religious?
19:26 phanes; no thats a scope error
19:27 techuser; atheism is a religion / water is zero-alcohol vodka / non-smokers smoke absence of tobacco / bald is color hair / health is a disease / freedom is slavery / not to collect postage stamps is a hobby / vacuum is a gas / celibate is sex position / and so on
19:27 MinceR; lol
19:27 phanes; XRevan86, no I agree that you think that, and are wrong, because atheism is still a belief system rooted on a faith-based assertion that there is no deity. If you were to say you were agnostic, I would be forced to concede that is not a religion.
19:27 TR News; Re: How Many Computers Do You Have? gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~nristen/gemlog/20220815.gmi "I am limiting my list to Laptops, Desktops, Raspberry Pis and VMs."
19:28 TR News; (New Entry): GNOME 43.beta released https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/GNOME_43_beta_released.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/GNOME_43_beta_released.1.gmi
19:28 TR Bot; Tux Machines GNOME 43.beta released"
19:28 XRevan86; phanes: But if my worldview involves no God in any shape or form, why would I not be atheist?
19:28 TR News; (New Entry): IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 170 is available for testing https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/IPFire_2_27_Core_Update_170_is_available_for_testing.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/IPFire_2_27_Core_Update_170_is_available_for_testing.gmi
19:28 TR Bot; Tux Machines IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 170 is available for testing"
19:28 XRevan86; Just like it doesn't involve Loch Ness, doesn't mean I *know* Loch Ness is not out there.
19:28 phanes; XRevan86, you assert that you would change your mind in the presence of convincing evidence so that would technically classify you as agnostic
19:29 TR News; (New Entry): 7 Big Changes Coming to Nautilus in GNOME 43 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/7_Big_Changes_Coming_to_Nautilus_in_GNOME_43.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/7_Big_Changes_Coming_to_Nautilus_in_GNOME_43.gmi
19:29 TR Bot; Tux Machines 7 Big Changes Coming to Nautilus in GNOME 43
19:29 TR News; (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
19:29 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
19:29 MinceR; so, a belief in something that one is open to change in the presence of convincing evidence is not a belief?
19:29 XRevan86; phanes: Cool, now say this to literally every atheist out there and find out there the population of atheists is literally 0.
19:29 XRevan86; Turns out, every single one of them was agnostic all along.
19:29 phanes; XRevan86, yes it really is a silly and low-order religion I'll give you that
19:29 TR News; (New Entry): GNOME 43.beta released https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/GNOME_43_beta_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/GNOME_43_beta_released.gmi
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19:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Announcing Steve Teixeira, Mozillas new Chief Product Officer
19:30 XRevan86; Funny how semantics work.
19:30 MinceR; so silly and low-order, it has 0 adherents?
19:30 phanes; the atheist is the lowest caliber of philosophical thinker
19:30 MinceR; ow the edge
19:30 britney; church of the machine
19:30 phanes; the agnostic, not so much at all, there is fire there
19:31 MinceR; ok, who set the agnostics on fire?
19:31 TR News; This is not an OS issue, it's about people installing and running malware https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/chinese-hacker-compromised-mimi/
19:31 TR Bot; Luckymouse Uses Compromised MiMi Chat App to Target Windows and Linux Systems - Infosecurity Magazine
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19:31 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
19:31 XRevan86; phanes: Your definition of an atheist is such that no person on Earth qualifies.
19:31 *geert trying to eat some potatoes with beans :)
19:32 XRevan86; Wouldn't that mean there's something wrong with the definition?
19:32 phanes; XRevan86, unfortunately no, there are many unreasonable people on the earth
19:32 TR News; Company that put NSA back-doored ciphers in Linux kernel tries to reinvent itself (and its reputation) as Linux security champ https://thenewstack.io/google-ups-its-linux-security-awards/
19:32 TR Bot; Google Ups Its Linux Security Awards The New Stack
19:32 phanes; it being unreasonable doesn't mean its not a religion
19:33 XRevan86; He who did not get my point at all says he is a greater philosopher.
19:33 MinceR; lol
19:33 phanes; particularly since the discussion is of taxonomy -- a classification does not require a lionshare of members
19:33 geert; it seems like you trying to diagnose XRevan86!!1!
19:33 phanes; its not that i didn't get your point
19:33 phanes; its just a very dull and disproven point
19:33 geert; diagnose, XRevan86*
19:33 phanes; at this point it feels like bullying
19:33 phanes; on my part
19:34 TR News; This isn't a "Linux" issue; it's a "malware got installed on the OS" (in this case Linux) issue https://www.developer-tech.com/news/2022/aug/15/pypi-package-installs-cryptominer-on-linux-systems/
19:34 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.developer-tech.com/news/2022/aug/15/pypi-package-installs-cryptominer-on-linux-systems/ )
19:34 MinceR; ah yes, the diagnosis of "not a greater philosopher"
19:34 XRevan86; I say: "no person on Earth can be atheist under your definition"
19:34 MinceR; i regret not studying psychology, it sounds hilarious
19:34 TR News; With Linux you need some way in; with Windows there are back doors, so there's no parity here, just spin from a Microsoft site https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-gwisinlocker-ransomware-encrypts-windows-and-linux-esxi-servers/
19:34 TR Bot; New GwisinLocker ransomware encrypts Windows and Linux ESXi servers
19:34 XRevan86; Ye say: "well, they are unreasonable then"
19:35 TR News; ...if you install malware on your system, mal (bad) things will happen.
19:35 XRevan86; What am I supposed to do with that judgement but conclude ye misunderstood me?
19:35 geert; probably not assume more i guess
19:36 TR News; # Affliction gemini://josias.dev/notion/affliction.gmi
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19:36 techuser; hi
19:36 MinceR; https://apina.biz/188043.png?mode=sfw
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19:36 schestowitz[TR2]; hi Bysword
19:36 Bysword; sup
19:36 techuser; some atheism talks
19:37 Bysword; yape, I am here for it
19:37 techuser; Bysword is a person who wants to convert everyone to Islam
19:37 Bysword; to introduce myself, I am a Muslim, and that's enough introduction
19:37 schestowitz[TR2]; with a sword?
19:37 Bysword; so who here thinks atheism is something rational so I could show him how irrational it is?
19:37 phanes; XRevan86, conclude whatever you like, but, your assertions indicate that you are an agnostic who believes he is an atheist, and that atheism is not rooted on a faith-based assertion about the existence of a deity instead of a deferment of assertion based on no evidence as assumed by you and all other agnostics
19:38 *phanes pulls out the bucket hat labeled "TIPS" and leaves it on the ground
19:39 *MinceR looks at the door
19:39 MinceR; and here i thought this was #techrights, not #religion-advocacy
19:39 britney; creation is a computer simulation and god is just a programmer
19:39 schestowitz[TR2]; #techRITES
19:39 Bysword; well, its tech rights, and talking about religion using tech is a RIGHT :P
19:39 MinceR; rites of passage
19:39 MinceR; religious technology
19:39 schestowitz[TR2]; rites of whey
19:40 Bysword; britney that's a bold claim to throw don't you think?
19:40 MinceR; ooh, there is a Religious Technology Center
19:40 psydroid2; "by word or by sword"
19:40 britney; Bysword, thats what I belieb
19:40 MinceR; "live by the sword; trip and fall on your sword; die by the sword."
19:42 Bysword; britney so tell me, you got a bad childhood that made you believe in such funny thing, right? :>
19:42 britney; no
19:42 Bysword; because I found that most people who believe in not so logical things, are brainless, so I need to check first
19:43 britney; you think its brainless to assume the world is a computer simulation?
19:43 britney; its hardly one of my crazy theories
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19:43 MinceR; and so the quality of the discourse falls down another rung
19:43 Bysword; nah, I think its complete madness, but I am being nice here
19:43 phanes; simulated reality is such an absurd suggestion. if this were a simulated reality you'd see obvious markers like
19:43 MinceR; are you?
19:44 phanes; a maximum speed or minimum tempoerature
19:44 phanes; which is clearly....
19:44 MinceR; if this is being nice, what are you like when you aren't being nice?
19:44 phanes; oh, shit
19:44 Bysword; MinceR better not know, I won't stay here for so long, because its seem there isn't a real atheism VS religion talk
19:45 techuser; Bysword did say he is an Islamic terrorist iirc
19:45 Bysword; thought I will found someone who has an argument for atheism, but sadly as always, its just trolling, because its easy to act as an animal when you think there is no God
19:45 britney; looks like we got a religious troll
19:46 britney; as if God is less crazy than simulation theory
19:46 MinceR; all humans act as animals, by definition
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19:46 phanes; Bysword, dont you think we'd be eating you if any of us were acting like animals
19:46 MinceR; though non-human animals do tend to behave with more decency
19:46 britney; MinceR, i love pussy... cats
19:46 phanes; im not gonna lie though, in a starving survival situation every one of you is on the menu
19:46 MinceR; grab them by the pussy... cats
19:46 Bysword; britney psychologically speaking, believing in God is the default and the normal for humans ^_^
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19:47 MinceR; phanes: you'd need a menu when you're starving?
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19:47 Bysword; but yah I won't expect someone who went as far as believing he is in simulation, to understand anything biological
19:48 MinceR; ooh, i sense a lecture on biology coming from someone whose identity is based on not understanding biology
19:48 britney; he is in simulation <-- u mean she
19:48 Bysword; phanes nah, I said animals like pigs or donkeys, they can't eat humans :P
19:48 *phanes <3's on britney introducing philosophical newgen that isn't compatible with biology to ridicul someone arguing about biology
19:48 MinceR; and you're wrong again
19:48 Bysword; MinceR talking to me?
19:48 MinceR; yes
19:49 MinceR; pigs are omnivores, they'll happily eat meat
19:49 MinceR; and i suspect that even donkeys will, under the right circumstances
19:49 MinceR; i've seen a video of a horse eating a chick
19:49 MinceR; (young chicken)
19:49 phanes; yeah even herbivores will turn to the dark side
19:49 Bysword; stupid strawman, I said they can't eat humans, if you think a pig or donkey can, then I can't help.
19:50 Bysword; and rather then starting an argument, you went collecting for pathetic joke mistake
19:50 phanes; pigs absolutely will eat a person Bysword
19:50 phanes; Bysword, in fact, feeing a human to pigs is a rather common way to try to get rid of the body in murders
19:50 MinceR; ...and another rung
19:50 Bysword; MinceR also what do you mean "identity is based on not understanding biology"?
19:51 MinceR; 15 203712 < Bysword> to introduce myself, I am a Muslim, and that's enough introduction
19:51 MinceR; that.
19:52 Bysword; phanes "good" to know
19:52 Bysword; MinceR stupid logic, so being a Muslim means you don't understand biology?
19:52 MinceR; yes it does
19:52 Bysword; so what will we do about all these Ph.D is biology who are also Muslims?
19:52 MinceR; and since it was the first thing you said about yourself, it must be a pretty important element of who you think you are
19:52 MinceR; hopefully they disregard enough of their religion so it doesn't get in their way
19:53 MinceR; but theirs is a difficult battle
19:53 Bysword; yes it is, I am a Muslim and that's the most important thing about me
19:53 MinceR; and so is every abrahamist's who attempts to learn and practice science
19:54 Bysword; fallacy of generalization, for what reason would a Muslim "disregard" his religion for biology?
19:54 Bysword; because of "joke" of evolution?
19:54 MinceR; ah, so biology is a "joke" to you
19:54 MinceR; well, that's why
19:54 britney; yay im not the craziest person here anymore
19:54 Bysword; stupid logic, evolution is not biology
19:55 Bysword; and you could very well get Ph.D in biology without knowing a thing about evolution
19:55 MinceR; evolution is an important part of biology
19:55 Bysword; because it is mostly useless
19:55 MinceR; well yeah, there are diploma mills around the world
19:55 Bysword; and I challenge you to give me a reason for why would someone bother to learn it
19:55 MinceR; and as fundamentalism and anti-intellectualism spreads, so they multiply
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19:56 phanes; Bysword is correct; evolution is not biology, and MinceR's expression is a little bigotted -- /most/ of the big contributors to the fields of science have been followers of abrahamic faiths
19:56 MinceR; in this country the central bank is headed by a person who can't count yet got a degree from the "karl marx university" in economics
19:56 phanes; it ignores history and present day
19:56 MinceR; and all of those big contributors learned to ignore the dogma of their faiths so they could contribute
19:56 MinceR; and their contributions contradict religious dogma
19:57 britney; phanes, whats that?
19:57 Bysword; MinceR red herring fallacy, could you focus on one topic and give some arguments? I don't have the whole day
19:57 MinceR; that's amusing
19:57 phanes; he may need to bounce around, he's getting chopped to bits on these topics
19:57 XRevan86; Bysword: "so who here thinks atheism is something rational so I could show him how irrational it is?" <- I mean, I do recognise the irrational component when someone's going to be one with a stick if they choose that path.
19:57 MinceR; but i'm not going to argue
19:57 MinceR; life is too short to argue with fundies
19:58 MinceR; especially one whose main argument is "durr hurr you're stoopid"
19:58 phanes; im not a fundy, i just can hang with the math ;)
19:58 Bysword; XRevan86 explain more
19:58 XRevan86; phanes: "your assertions indicate that you are an agnostic who believes he is an atheist" <- Or your assertions indicate that ye have an arbitrary distinction.
19:59 Bysword; MinceR so you spend like 5 mins red herring, only to conclude with "not going to argue" LOL
19:59 phanes; XRevan86, no need to be bitter, just learn from the experience and come back more thought out for round 2. You'll lose round 2 but you'll be able to hang with round 3 eventually.
19:59 TR News; Linux 6.0 Release Candidate Lands, but Linus Insists Version Is Just a Number https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.shtml
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19:59 MinceR; Bysword: so you're monitoring what i spend my time on?
19:59 Bysword; MinceR nope, I am monitoring my time, I spend 5 mins reading red herring, which came from you :>
20:00 MinceR; yet another wrong assumption on your part, then
20:00 Bysword; anyway, anyone else here has an argument for atheism or evolution?
20:00 XRevan86; "psychologically speaking, believing in God is the default and the normal for humans" <- Only when introduced with upbringing, but unreasonable assumptions and superstitions are a commonality indeed.
20:00 MinceR; it didn't take that long for me to type my messages
20:00 TR News; Nitrux 2.2.1 Quick overview #linux #Nitrux https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IIFsx8OufCw | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/IIFsx8OufCw
20:00 TR Bot; ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IIFsx8OufCw )
20:00 Bysword; Xrevan86 you could of asked me for my sources lol
20:01 Bysword; https://bigthink.com/the-well/atheism-rare-rational/
20:01 TR Bot; Atheism is not as rare or as rational as you think - Big Think
20:01 TR News; "On this episode of This Week in Linux: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS, Kali Linux 2022.3, Rescuezilla 2.4, GitLab To Delete Dormant Projects?, JingOS & JingPad Discontinued?, CuteFishOS Disappears" https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/this-week-in-linux/twil-209/
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20:01 Bysword; Be Right back, I must pray
20:01 MinceR; argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy
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20:09 MinceR; https://apina.biz/187877.jpg?mode=sfw
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20:11 XRevan86; "because of "joke" of evolution?" <- Read up to this point. Good stuff.
20:11 MinceR; lol
20:12 XRevan86; Bysword: "explain more" <- On a strictly personal level, it is irrational to have opinions that will get one beaten up.
20:12 geert; opinions dont get people beaten up
20:12 geert; its more lack of other people dealing it properly resulting in tendencies to beat up
20:13 geert; anyways i should go and i think im sorry to go like that after i got to push some remarks
20:13 XRevan86; geert: Prisoner of Conscience is a thing.
20:13 geert; because its probably better if one try finish discussion in better manner
20:14 geert; well sometimes it might seem that its a thing but i dont think it necessarily should
20:14 geert; you should misbehave less with such assumptions and preferably not mix assumptions with assertions too
20:14 XRevan86; geert: Of course it shouldn't.
20:14 geert; assertions seem more like suggestions in some sense i guess
20:14 XRevan86; But being an atheist under Taliban rule is irrational, all I'm trying to say.
20:15 XRevan86; Not related to atheism being irrational or not.
20:16 geert; i dont think its per definition irrational because of taliban rule
20:16 geert; no i dont think that
20:16 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2018/05/15/a61450 This sort of thing.
20:16 geert; gimme sec
20:16 TR Bot; Russia Tells UN There Are No Gays in Chechnya
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20:17 MinceR; being an atheist and admitting to being an atheist are 2 different things
20:17 MinceR; similarly with being gay and admitting to being gay
20:18 XRevan86; MinceR: True, but on a grand scale the difference is minimal.
20:18 geert; oof thats kind of allegations in multiple directions!~
20:18 geert; i think theres lots of malicious stuff called 'politics' in there
20:18 XRevan86; MinceR: Faith doesn't need to be honest to propagate as such.
20:18 MinceR; indeed
20:19 geert; i think its terrible, horrible, if people are slaughtering and doing nasty things to each other because different sexual, religious etc. experiences
20:19 geert; faith/believe needs to be honest or its kind of imposing
20:19 geert; and it cannot just be blind like that or people pretend to belief stuff they dont get
20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
20:20 geert; as it appears to me, so to say
20:20 geert; although now i should go
20:20 geert; didnt mean to confuse ya'll kk?
20:20 geert; theres some things things but i gotto say that like with that hoffie guy, theres some surprising amount of more serious discussion here
20:21 MinceR; get someone to watch your high horse's step so it won't stumble
20:21 geert; yea unlike many other very utterly close minded supposedly open minded, it seems theres more open minded favoring here with many people
20:21 TR News; HPE Slingshot Makes The GPUs Do Control Plane Compute https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/08/15/hpe-slingshot-makes-the-gpus-do-control-plane-compute/
20:21 TR Bot; HPE Slingshot Makes The GPUs Do Control Plane Compute
20:21 geert; even if very subjective types like mincer and xrevan86 get a bit difficulties imagining some things
20:21 TR News; (New Entry): Security and FUD: Google and Blaming Malware on "Linux" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Security_and_FUD_Google_and_Blaming_Malware_on_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Security_and_FUD_Google_and_Blaming_Malware_on_Linux.gmi
20:21 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security and FUD: Google and Blaming Malware on "Linux""
20:22 XRevan86; The least religious are the most subjective.
20:22 geert; conditioning/cultivating gets very nasty effects with many people
20:22 MinceR; another diagnosis
20:22 TR News; (New Entry): Android Developers Blog: Android 13 is in AOSP! https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Developers_Blog_Android_13_is_in_AOSP.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Developers_Blog_Android_13_is_in_AOSP.gmi
20:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Developers Blog: Android 13 is in AOSP!
20:22 XRevan86; That sounds right.
20:22 MinceR; yeah, apparently geert's subject is the object
20:22 MinceR; it's supposed to be the little box we're all living in
20:22 MinceR; too bad we can't feel geert's spiritual experiences :(
20:23 geert; well you shouldnt necessarily act up so seemingly offensive mincer
20:23 geert; it even isnt really decent fishing either!~
20:23 MinceR; don't worry, we're used to outragists by now
20:23 TR News; "Two years ago I wrote here that as far as today goes, it is interesting (but sadly unsurprising) to read that as progressive and egalitarian as it is, Silicon Valley seems to ruin Dalit lives just like Trantor, or ancient India." https://stop.zona-m.net/2022/08/castes-are-still-castes-in-silicon-valley/
20:23 TR Bot; Castes are still castes in Silicon Valley | Stop at Zona-M
20:23 geert; i should drop on all 'geerts subjectivity' as we should all try combine the subjective out of us and try gain more/better objective understanding
20:24 geert; the more real understanding, the more subjective pretense is replaced by it so to say
20:24 geert; but it takes a bit of experiencing some time to get there so to say
20:24 TR News; "Sounds created for GNOME 43 were generated on a mini-computer called Teensy (currently unavailable due to the global chip shortage), running software called Dirtywave Headless written by Timothy Lamb" https://blog.jimmac.eu/2022/new-alert-sounds/
20:24 TR Bot; New Alert Sounds - Even a Stopped Clock
20:24 geert; mincer im not seething if you try mix that with outraged too
20:24 MinceR; outragism doesn't imply real outrage
20:24 geert; there got to be such type in #2600 who got some issues going regarding 'seething' :/
20:25 geert; as in the tendency to doesnt necessarily reflect the act itself
20:25 geert; hm that would suggest that i would be triggering some reactions possibly i think
20:25 geert; so you question the sincerity of some stances as it appear to me
20:26 geert; or you possibly dont get some other words, too, which would not be too surprising given past experiences
20:26 Bysword; back
20:26 geert; hmmm.
20:26 geert; Bysword :)
20:26 geert; well well well maybe we get to share some views later on
20:27 geert; this place really seem to favor better open minded, in some so called 'hacker spaces' insecurities seem to roam around in quite alarming manners!
20:27 geert; plz better not misbehave as much as possible :D
20:27 Bysword; XRevan86, so you got nothing to say but throw baseless comments on text that didn't consider your existence?
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20:29 XRevan86; "Contemplating the existence of a god or gods is a uniquely human endeavor." <- It comes with the imagination.
20:29 XRevan86; And the social behaviour of course.
20:30 Bysword; Also "Evolution is a Scientific Joke" is a list of articles I wrote long ago to list common arguments against evolution that the atheist keep circling despite proven invalid, read more here:https://universalpath.codeberg.page/
20:30 TR Bot; Universal Path
20:30 TR News; (New Entry): liveslak 1.6.0 feature release, plus a new set of ISOs for Slackware Live Edition https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/liveslak_1_6_0.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/liveslak_1_6_0.gmi
20:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines liveslak 1.6.0 feature release, plus a new set of ISOs for Slackware Live Edition
20:30 Bysword; I have to note that they need more refactoring, however the general ideas and sources are there
20:31 XRevan86; Bysword: And ye the author of the "Bucha is a hoax" thing too, by the chance?
20:31 XRevan86; * by any chance
20:31 Bysword; heh funny funny
20:31 Bysword; stupid troll
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20:33 CrystalMath; hi Bysword
20:33 Bysword; sup
20:34 Bysword; so, is this the entire atheism vs religion thing that was going on here?
20:36 Bysword; what a waste of valuable time, in all cases everyone if free to GOOGLE the arguments again atheism, there is like 100s of it, with so many books/talks/articles explaining why atheism is irrational, so in case you haven't checked those and think that it is right, then you have confirmation bias, or simply biased.
20:36 Bysword; that's it for me, am out.
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20:37 XRevan86; if free to GOOGLE the arguments again religion, there is like 100000s of it
20:38 TR News; [RFC PATCH 02/14] drm/qaic: Add uapi and core driver file https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2022-August/367830.html Source: Qualcomm | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2022-August/367830.html
20:38 TR Bot; [RFC PATCH 02/14] drm/qaic: Add uapi and core driver file
20:39 britney; he quit so that nobody could convince him to be an atheist
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20:41 XRevan86; britney: I don't think that's possible.
20:41 britney; <Bysword> that's it for me, am out.
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20:43 XRevan86; britney: If a person thinks that evolution is not a thing, they're likely a creationist.
20:43 XRevan86; And that's just too far away from atheism.
20:44 britney; i believe in a different kind of creationism
20:44 britney; computer simulation
20:46 TR News; "Luckily, I was able to reconstruct most of Drew's capsule using saved content from older crawls from Kennedy, my Gemini search engine. I rewrote the internal hyperlinks to be relative links, so you can read the capsule online or off." gemini://gemi.dev/gemlog/2022-08-15-drew-devault-mirror.gmi
20:48 TR News; Grammarly isn't just a keylogger and Proprietary Spyware. It's also used against you. https://medevel.com/10-free-plagiarism-checkers/
20:48 TR Bot; 10 Free Plagiarism Checkers
20:48 TR News; (New Entry): FSF IRC meetings and minutes https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/FSF_IRC_meetings_and_minutes.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/FSF_IRC_meetings_and_minutes.gmi
20:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines FSF IRC meetings and minutes
20:53 psydroid2; by sword or by kitchen knife
20:57 schestowitz[TR2]; by s/w orb
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.81 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
20:59 TR News; RapidDisk Tutorial Episode 4: Advanced Topics: The Ioctls and User Space Access https://koutoupis.com/2022/08/15/rapiddisk-tutorial-episode-4-advanced-topics-the-ioctls-and-user-space-access/
20:59 TR Bot; RapidDisk Tutorial Episode 4: Advanced Topics: The Ioctls and User Space Access Random [Tech] Stuff
21:01 TR News; Real Robot One is a high-performance robotic arm that you can build yourself | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/15/real-robot-one-is-a-high-performance-robotic-arm-that-you-can-build-yourself/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/15/real-robot-one-is-a-high-performance-robotic-arm-that-you-can-build-you
21:01 TR Bot; Real Robot One is a high-performance robotic arm that you can build yourself | Arduino Blog
21:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:20 TR News; Links 15/08/2022: liveslak 1.6.0 and Android 13 is in AOSP | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/links-15082022-liveslak-1-6-0-and-android-13-is-in-aosp/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/15/links-15082022-liveslak-1-6-0-and-android-13-is-in-aosp/
21:20 TR Bot; Links 15/08/2022: liveslak 1.6.0 and Android 13 is in AOSP | Techrights
21:20 TR News; (New Entry): Hardware/Modding/Hacking: Plotly, Arduino, and Xiaomi IoT thermometers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Hardware_Modding_Hacking_Plotly_Arduino_and_Xiaomi_IoT_thermome.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Hardware_Modding_Hacking_Plotly_Arduino_and_Xiaomi_IoT_thermome.gmi
21:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines Hardware/Modding/Hacking: Plotly, Arduino, and Xiaomi IoT thermometers
21:20 TR News; (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.5.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.5.gmi
21:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
21:20 TR News; (New Entry): today's leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi
21:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
21:20 TR News; (New Entry): Videos/Shows: RapidDisk, This Week in Linux, and Nitrux 2.2.1" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Videos_Shows_RapidDisk_This_Week_in_Linux_and_Nitrux_2_2_1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Videos_Shows_RapidDisk_This_Week_in_Linux_and_Nitrux_2_2_1.gmi
21:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos/Shows: RapidDisk, This Week in Linux, and Nitrux 2.2.1"
21:24 TR News; Formatting Plain Text Copies in Vi gemini://pwshnotes.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-08-15-formatting-vim.gmi
21:24 TR News; "It's been a while since I posted here! How is everyone doing? Lately I've been working on a gemini search engine." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1099
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22:11 XRevan86; I want to point out that it being only humans that have religion is not necessarily a fact.
22:12 XRevan86; And a lot of animals have the building blocks, they just lack the sophistication that comes with advanced communication.
22:12 XRevan86; In a sense, human religion is so distinctively human because it evolved with the most uniquely human thing of all: speech.
22:14 XRevan86; no other animal is capable of conveying and retaining thoughts this well.
22:15 XRevan86; "how disbelief in gods can exist within an otherwise religious species" <- How programmers can exist within an otherwise programmerless species?
22:17 XRevan86; I find the "born believers" "fact" very funny. So ye tell me if a human is brought up in an isolated chamber with no cultural interference, they're going to pray to God randomly, because that's a built-in feature?
22:17 XRevan86; Or maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the environment.
22:19 XRevan86; "In study after study, our respondents intuitively assume that people doing immoral deeds like these dont believe in gods" <- I guess it's my biases, but my experience is pretty much the opposite.
22:19 XRevan86; So I'd assume they do, like Hitler.
22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:20 phanes; XRevan86, yes. that is exactly what they do. atheists are unheard of in non-advanced civilizations.
22:20 phanes; i think your beef is with abrahamic religions and not the concept of religion
22:21 XRevan86; phanes: It's like a curve.
22:21 XRevan86; If an animal has no advanced speech, it's too primitive for religion.
22:22 XRevan86; But humans in developed countries also tend to get less religious.
22:22 phanes; in any case, yes, dislocating a bunch of babies at birth and leaving them on an island, within 2 or 3 generations you'll have a spiritual beleif system form and it wont be atheism
22:22 XRevan86; phanes: Right, but that would be "filling up the gaps with nonsense" rather than an inherent belief in god.
22:22 phanes; specific religions is a conditioning thing. the existence of religion is not.
22:24 phanes; right this is the part where you have that "ah ha" moment where you're realizing your argument is against abraham and not the taxonomy
22:24 XRevan86; Anyway, that article is pretty much trash.
22:24 XRevan86; But ye didn't need me to tell you that.
22:26 XRevan86; > To me, this intricate cultural evolutionary play is infinitely more fascinating and fulfilling than the shallow, wholesale dismissal of religion offered by vocal public atheists.
22:26 XRevan86; Sure thing, but last I checked humanity is not a zoo.
22:27 phanes; It's a false premise. Atheists do not wholesale dismiss "religion". They merely pretend to while forming one of their own, just as all abrahamic faiths claim the others are not valid.
22:27 XRevan86; phanes: Those atheists of whom ye speak, do not exist as we established.
22:28 phanes; Well sure they do I'm talking to one right now.
22:28 XRevan86; phanes: Am I not "an agnostic"?
22:28 phanes; Oh, fair enough
22:29 phanes; I am unaccustomed to changing someone's religion on IRC through debate, I mean, we barely know each other, at least scream in all caps at me first.
22:32 MinceR; 15 231728 < XRevan86> I find the "born believers" "fact" very funny. So ye tell me if a human is brought up in an isolated chamber with no cultural interference, they're going to pray to God randomly, because that's a built-in feature?
22:32 MinceR; they'll pray to yahweh and they'll write genesis
22:32 XRevan86; phanes: There is something similiar to theism in the modern day and age by the way: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/299/change1.jpg
22:32 XRevan86; And my position on extraterrestrials is exactly the same.
22:33 MinceR; nonhuman animals are less capable hosts for memes so they don't get infected with religion
22:33 XRevan86; Maybe I am subscribed to a no-aliens religion :)
22:33 XRevan86; MinceR: That is accurate.
22:33 MinceR; https://carmageddon.fandom.com/wiki/I_Want_to_Berieve
22:33 TR Bot; I Want to Berieve | Carmageddon Wiki | Fandom
22:35 XRevan86; https://lurkmore.rip/images/5/51/Ppsssz.jpg
22:36 MinceR; :)
22:36 XRevan86; MinceR: Of course Bysword is not here right now to see his article smashed to pieces.
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22:38 XRevan86; Wish I thought of the extraterrestrials example sooner, there are quasi-religions formed around the topic, and they have nothing to do with theism.
22:38 XRevan86; Humans are born believers in aliens, but only since the XIX century.
22:39 XRevan86; Before that? Not so much. Different humans maybe.
22:47 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/15/navalny-placed-in-solitary-confinement-for-three-days-for-regularly-unbuttoning-top-button-of-prison-robe-news "Navalny placed in solitary confinement for three days for regularly unbuttoning top button of prison robe"
22:47 TR Bot; .
22:48 XRevan86; Possibly because he formed a prison union.
22:48 XRevan86; Yea, this guy tries to organise a movement *anywhere*.
22:49 XRevan86; CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-13--14-08-15
22:49 TR Bot; Dispatch for August 13 14 Telegraph
22:50 psydroid2; live by the sword and die by the kitchen knife with the blessing of the Swordfish
22:54 MinceR; or with the blessing of the Dopefish
22:56 XRevan86; https://axios.com/2022/08/15/afghanistan-taliban-us-withdrawal-anniversary Their sovereign right to wreck the country.
22:56 TR Bot; Taliban-controlled Afghanistan: A year after U.S. withdrawal
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23:04 XRevan86; What can one do, the people have spoken, it's a democractically elected gove oh wait, it's a religious fundamentalist military junta.
23:08 MinceR; (cat) (no audio) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/gSNdjHF
23:08 TR Bot; Cat doing cat things - rimgo
23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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23:40 MinceR; https://apina.biz/132649.png?mode=sfw
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