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05:40 Techrights-sec2; a file descriptor leak is one of the serious type of bugs which should be
05:40 Techrights-sec2; fixed rather than making a work-around. Should we still keep shadow and PAM?
05:41 schestowitz-TR; running manually now
05:41 schestowitz-TR; i removed shadow and pam the other day
05:41 schestowitz-TR; do you know how cronning it can be done?
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07:18 Techrights-sec2; have you filed a bug report with the IPFS tool's project?
07:18 Techrights-sec2; Fixing the leak in the progam would be the long term solution.
07:18 Techrights-sec2; Filing bug reports is part of the cost of doing business.
07:19 schestowitz-TR; there is no leaks I kno0w of in ipfs
07:19 schestowitz-TR; the issue is in handling of ulimit -n
07:21 Techrights-sec2; upgraded current packages, there were many:
07:21 Techrights-sec2; # apk upgrade
07:21 Techrights-sec2; the file descriptor leak ?
07:24 Techrights-sec2; well, the system does have doas pre-installed, that could probably be used
07:24 Techrights-sec2; by the script to launch ulimit
07:25 schestowitz-TR; at some point I thought of sudoers but thought it would be a strange way to tackle the issue
07:25 schestowitz-TR; but whetever works...
07:39 Techrights-sec2; unfortunately that sets it for the whole system, /etc/security/limits.conf
07:39 Techrights-sec2; would allow raising the allowed number of open files for the one account
07:39 Techrights-sec2; while leaving the others alone.
07:39 Techrights-sec2; What was the ticket number on the bug report?
07:40 schestowitz-TR; I don't think any particular open bug was being alluded to
07:40 schestowitz-TR; just a design flaws
07:40 schestowitz-TR; *flaw
07:40 Techrights-sec2; a design flaw is a bug
07:46 Techrights-sec2;
07:46 Techrights-sec2; a design flaw is a bug; I'd think that we could leave IPFS where it is for now
07:46 Techrights-sec2; until we find out the result of the bug report. Can you file one? I am
07:46 Techrights-sec2; quite unfamiliar with IPFS at all.
07:47 schestowitz-TR; it is microsoft shithub
07:47 schestowitz-TR; I could, indefinitely, just run the job manually
07:47 schestowitz-TR; it's just a step backwards because in debian this was so simple
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08:39 Techrights-sec2; I am
08:39 Techrights-sec2; quite unfamiliar with IPFS at all. I don't have an account there IIRC
08:39 Techrights-sec2; yes
08:39 Techrights-sec2; Debian is afflicted with PAM. We could put PAM back but I'm not sure if/how
08:39 Techrights-sec2; this version of cron works with PAM. I did take a guess in /etc/pam.d/cron
08:39 Techrights-sec2; But that would mean afflicting the system with PAM by adding shadow linux-pam shadow-login again
08:39 Techrights-sec2; https://rustipfs.com/ ?
08:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rustipfs.com | Rust IPFS
08:39 Techrights-sec2; over on tm-new, should we start to spider the old HTTP pages onto the new
08:39 Techrights-sec2; system using wget?
08:39 Techrights-sec2; it'll take a bit of trial and error
08:40 schestowitz-TR; at first, only nodes after 27/6/22
08:40 schestowitz-TR; the url schemes makes it easy
08:40 schestowitz-TR; tdoay I sunday,. I built a lot of sleep "storage" already, so let's migrate those pages over today (slow news), then set up redirections, amybe then revert back to the
08:40 schestowitz-TR; good backup, seeing that the new site is OK
08:40 schestowitz-TR; later change the rss url with a redirection
08:42 schestowitz; http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166500 is June 26th
08:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Motion Detection with PIR and Raspberry PI: HC-SR501 wiring and Python Code | Tux Machines
08:42 schestowitz; THat's before we had issues
08:43 schestowitz; so we need to wget every node from 166500 to 168322
08:48 schestowitz-TR; whether we also grab images etc. is another matter, it may depend on whether they are linked with relative or absolute URLs
08:48 schestowitz-TR; but that's not the most crucial thing
08:48 schestowitz-TR; then, having wget'ed them all, maybe directly from tuxmachines-new, ee.g.
08:48 schestowitz-TR; /var/www/..../old/ ....
08:48 schestowitz-TR; wget http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166500
08:48 schestowitz-TR; we set up redirection from http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166500
08:48 schestowitz-TR; to news.tuxmachines.org/old/166500
08:48 schestowitz-TR; and on and on until 168322
08:48 schestowitz-TR; that's a lot or redirection, but they can be removed in the future
08:48 schestowitz-TR; even with wildcard
08:48 schestowitz-TR; that would at least make a FULL backup of all "content" added since the point in time we revert back to
08:54 Techrights-sec2; --convert-links can help with that along with --page-requisites
08:54 Techrights-sec2; only a single pattern is needed for that
08:54 Techrights-sec2; Ok there is a tmux session running wget under the account 'tuxmachines' on
08:54 Techrights-sec2; tm-new
08:54 Techrights-sec2; yes the failure log is in /home/tuxmachines/wget-*.log
08:54 Techrights-sec2; by date
08:54 Techrights-sec2; she can post, that's not a problem, the mirroring will take a long time
08:55 schestowitz-TR; Mirroring the pages (I told rianne to stop posting new nodes)
08:55 schestowitz-TR; should not take long, you can do 1000 pages an hour
08:55 schestowitz-TR; then check logs to see all moved OK
08:55 schestowitz-TR; then we make another last DB dump, just in case
08:55 schestowitz-TR; then squeeze in redirection for those pages
08:55 schestowitz-TR; then revert back to old DB dump (June)
08:55 schestowitz-TR; but wait, don't mirror everything
08:55 schestowitz-TR; just nodes 166500 onwards
08:55 schestowitz-TR; because the old site is complex
08:55 schestowitz-TR; so the cutoff atm is june 27th
08:55 schestowitz-TR; i intentially refrained from posting anything "special" like Blog Posts since then
08:55 schestowitz-TR; or uploading any new images
08:56 Techrights-sec2; just the /nodes hierarchy is being harvested, wget is not so complex that
08:56 Techrights-sec2; it can take calculations into account so unnecessary material can be culled
08:56 Techrights-sec2; afterwards
09:01 schestowitz-TR; I know the site very well
09:01 schestowitz-TR; the right approach would be,
09:01 schestowitz-TR; get only nodes 166500
09:01 schestowitz-TR; onwards
09:01 schestowitz-TR; this is easily done in bash, with loop index i after /node/
09:01 schestowitz-TR; that can then go under the html dir under "old" or similar
09:01 schestowitz-TR; "old" sounds bad, maybe "legacy"
09:01 schestowitz-TR; then we need to make sure we're satisfied with how the pages appear and that links in them work
09:01 schestowitz-TR; then set redirection for them
09:01 schestowitz-TR; on the old server
09:01 schestowitz-TR; that would be a solid first step and the most major step
09:01 schestowitz-TR; anything after that is easy-peasy
09:01 schestowitz-TR; I had this planned for months, I know exactly how to do that without turning away visitors
09:01 schestowitz-TR; I know you worry about very old pages, we can deal with them a lot later
09:01 schestowitz-TR; \also, load would tape off the moment all "new" (past 2 months' pages) go to new
09:05 Techrights-sec2; "old" is just a working name it can be renamed once the download is complete
09:05 Techrights-sec2; it might even be removed so that ./node can be moved up a level
09:05 Techrights-sec2; maybe aim for 1 September as the change over date?
09:05 schestowitz-TR; yeah
09:05 schestowitz-TR; I was just thinking, I want to make local and remote DB backup before reverting back
09:05 schestowitz-TR; I already made a remote (at home) copy of the DB to revery back to
09:05 schestowitz-TR; just so that we can always roll back any errors made
09:05 schestowitz-TR; sunday is a good day for such a task
09:09 schestowitz-TR; the new site generally works OK
09:09 schestowitz-TR; the only difference is, if swapped over it'll get a higher load
09:09 schestowitz-TR; one thing I noticed is, when the rss file gets updates for about a second or two it can be in a funny stats, as it is being written to rather than a temp file
09:09 schestowitz-TR; and then cp temp live-rss-feed.xml
09:09 schestowitz-TR; aside from that, things work well enough and it's a lot faster
09:09 schestowitz-TR; marius has access already
09:09 schestowitz-TR; the other posters mostyly promote their own stuff, which is sometimes spam, howtos, or stuff I could just post myself anyway
09:09 schestowitz-TR; (the other day I had to remove from the front page some spamnil-style piece of junk from a firm that has an account there)
09:15 Techrights-sec2; ack
09:15 Techrights-sec2; should the RSS be done with a temp file followed by a swap out ?
09:20 schestowitz-TR; i forgot the formal technical name for it
09:20 schestowitz-TR; but the idea is, only swap one rss file for another version when both are valid
09:20 schestowitz-TR; otherwise, while polling you can sometimes get a file that's open and being written into
09:20 schestowitz-TR; tuxmachines does not depend much on gulag
09:20 schestowitz-TR; but a loyal base of followers since decades past
09:20 schestowitz-TR; I am in tmux session "copy" while seems idle
09:20 schestowitz-TR; where are you fetching new nodes?
09:20 schestowitz-TR; if all URLs in the dlownloaded pages are made ABSOLUTE, then it'll look like a perfect copy
09:20 schestowitz-TR; which is what we want
09:20 schestowitz-TR; no need to download any images then, just the raw html, with absolute links in images, pages etc.
09:21 Techrights-sec2; ok
09:21 Techrights-sec2; su -c 'tmux attach-session -t wget' -l tuxmachines
09:21 Techrights-sec2; su -c 'tmux new-session -s copy -t wget' -l tuxmachines
09:21 Techrights-sec2; su -c 'tmux attach-session -t copy' -l tuxmachines
09:26 schestowitz-TR; looking under webroot/old
09:26 schestowitz-TR; it seems like you download the whole site
09:26 schestowitz-TR; and the urls are sometimes relative, e.g. /files/logo.png
09:26 schestowitz-TR; at this stage we just need to download about 1800 pages, whose url is predictable (+1 increment)
09:26 schestowitz-TR; with absolute url everywhere)
09:30 Techrights-sec2; still experimenting
09:36 schestowitz-TR; thanks, good one
09:36 schestowitz-TR; at the point where the new server has the new nodes showing as identical to the originals (absolute links in images too)
09:36 schestowitz-TR; we can add redirections from old (dynamic) to new (static) for these pages
09:36 schestowitz-TR; those nodes are sementically simple, by intention
09:36 schestowitz-TR; (node: for nodes of the past 1.5 weeks we'll have two copies, such that the new server has them in the new CMS and also mirrors of the same
09:36 schestowitz-TR; in the Drupal site)s
09:36 schestowitz-TR; search engines might see that as "duplicate" content, hence better to minimise and port things over
09:36 schestowitz-TR; the above-mentioned rss thing only happens if I check for rss updates at the same time I add a node, so it's not a burning issue
09:48 schestowitz-TR; deiced to carry on posting, but only in new
09:48 schestowitz-TR; but will not take it "read-only" until after rolling back/reverting back to jun 27
09:52 Techrights-sec2; ack
09:53 schestowitz-TR; seconds ago added the first "new-only" node
09:53 schestowitz-TR; the "old" directory should eventually contain just pages, no JS or images
09:53 Techrights-sec2; ack
09:53 schestowitz-TR; as those can be absolute url references to www and news
09:53 schestowitz-TR; in due course the db will only bear thew load for requests of nodes 1...166500
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10:12 schestowitz-TR; marius has just added a node to "old"
10:12 schestowitz-TR; #168323
10:12 schestowitz-TR; hopefully the last
10:12 schestowitz-TR; I'lll copy it over the new just in case
10:12 Techrights-sec2; ok
10:13 schestowitz-TR; oh! miracle! my rss feed for howtoforge works again
10:13 schestowitz-TR; after like 6 months those idiotcs realise clownflaring it was idiotic
10:13 schestowitz-TR; harm was done
10:14 Techrights-sec2; :)
10:32 schestowitz-TR; after today we may be able to turn off all the crontabs for DB backup of TM, local and remote
10:32 schestowitz-TR; as new nodes go into sqlite and the static html files
10:32 schestowitz-TR; added toay's howtos in new only, first such batch
10:32 schestowitz-TR; updating my irc scripts (links only to new site)
10:32 Techrights-sec2; ok
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10:37 Techrights-sec2; refresh-site-from-db.sh now uses temporary files
10:38 schestowitz-TR; lovely! checking code, I did see you had changed something...
10:38 schestowitz-TR; I am testing the irc bits at the moment
10:39 schestowitz-TR; Oh, I see, you not do the same for front page and gemini
10:39 schestowitz-TR; that's great
10:42 Techrights-sec2; refresh-site-from-db.sh now uses temporary files
10:42 Techrights-sec2; faster that way
10:42 Techrights-sec2; subjectively speaking
10:47 schestowitz-TR; sorry to be rushing these last-min changes like this
10:47 schestowitz-TR; I had 4 "extra" hours of sleep and it's a slow news day
10:47 schestowitz-TR; so perfect day to progress to next phase
10:47 schestowitz-TR; tbh, even if we don't finish the wget and apsche redirect thing, I could just redirect the rss feed alone, for now...
10:47 schestowitz-TR; one concern I had was, can all rss readers deal with it (afaik, apache deals with the 301 transparenlly)
10:47 schestowitz-TR; the second thing is, if we change from rss to atom/xml, can rss readers cope? I think so)
10:47 schestowitz-TR; heck, why not change the url now and add the redirect? might as well, no?
10:52 Techrights-sec2; It'd be safer to wait until next Sunday or so, after we can ensure that
10:52 Techrights-sec2; wget did its job correctly.
10:52 Techrights-sec2; Perhaps the new Atom feed could be used from the old site, but it would
10:52 Techrights-sec2; point to the URLs which are on the test site and not the production site.
10:52 Techrights-sec2; It's getting closer to being 'ready' though.
10:53 schestowitz-TR; i agree entirely.
10:53 schestowitz-TR; ok, am making changes here to 3 more files
10:53 schestowitz-TR; when alll tests ok, will push to git, then try redirecting atom
10:54 schestowitz-TR; then test with various vaalidatora and rss readers
10:54 schestowitz-TR; just to catch any issues
10:54 schestowitz-TR; will redirect to http, not https, for now
10:54 schestowitz-TR; to avoid the CA panic
10:54 schestowitz-TR; at reader level anyway
10:54 schestowitz-TR; I know atom may link to https
10:54 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:01 schestowitz-TR; changes pushed to git
11:01 schestowitz-TR; experimenting with 301 rediurect now
11:01 schestowitz-TR; given that old site won't get more node additions, I will also redirect root later, but root alone
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11:37 schestowitz-TR; added two redirections
11:37 schestowitz-TR; and on the logs they will leave trailing parts after "?"
11:37 schestowitz-TR; so you can see and know where the redir comes from
11:37 schestowitz-TR; on to testing
11:40 schestowitz; roy@vonick:~$ wget http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feed
11:40 schestowitz; --2022-08-14 11:39:41-- http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feed
11:40 schestowitz; Resolving www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)... 23.161.112.115
11:40 schestowitz; Connecting to www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)|23.161.112.115|:80... connected.
11:40 schestowitz; HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
11:40 schestowitz; Location: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feed [following]
11:40 schestowitz; --2022-08-14 11:39:41-- http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feed
11:40 schestowitz; Resolving news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)... 204.197.160.2
11:40 schestowitz; Connecting to news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)|204.197.160.2|:80... connected.
11:40 schestowitz; HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
11:40 schestowitz; Length: 37025 (36K) [application/xml]
11:40 schestowitz; Saving to: feed
11:40 schestowitz; feed 100%[==============================================================================================>] 36.16K 173KB/s in 0.2s
11:40 schestowitz; 2022-08-14 11:39:42 (173 KB/s) - feed saved [37025/37025]
11:40 schestowitz; roy@vonick:~$ wget http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feed/
11:40 schestowitz; --2022-08-14 11:39:58-- http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feed/
11:40 schestowitz; Resolving www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)... 23.161.112.115
11:40 schestowitz; Connecting to www.tuxmachines.org (www.tuxmachines.org)|23.161.112.115|:80... connected.
11:40 schestowitz; HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
11:40 schestowitz; Location: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feed/ [following]
11:40 schestowitz; --2022-08-14 11:39:59-- http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml?q=node/feed/
11:40 schestowitz; Resolving news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)... 204.197.160.2
11:40 schestowitz; Connecting to news.tuxmachines.org (news.tuxmachines.org)|204.197.160.2|:80... connected.
11:40 schestowitz; HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
11:40 schestowitz; Length: 37025 (36K) [application/xml]
11:40 schestowitz; Saving to: index.html.1
11:41 schestowitz; index.html.1 100%[==============================================================================================>] 36.16K 181KB/s in 0.2s
11:41 schestowitz; 2022-08-14 11:39:59 (181 KB/s) - index.html.1 saved [37025/37025]
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11:44 schestowitz-TR; 301 works OK, in both casesirc bots are all set, the posting workflow is now simplified
11:44 schestowitz-TR; I'll test to see if some readers might have issues
11:44 schestowitz-TR; rss feeds >> social control media account
11:44 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:55 schestowitz; quiterss copes ok
11:55 schestowitz; as I hoped akregator copes ok with the redirection
11:55 schestowitz; its build-in browser struggles to load the pages though, but we don't pew JS or anything
11:55 schestowitz; checking in konqeror and rekonq out of curioustity
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12:04 roy; they should cope ok, if they support proper HTTP for fetchig the Atom or RSS
12:04 roy; feed
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12:10 schestowitz-TR2; bbl
12:10 schestowitz-TR2; cycling
12:11 chunky; bbl
12:11 chunky; crying
12:12 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:12 schestowitz-TR2; haha
12:12 schestowitz-TR2; chunky: no woman no cycling
12:12 chunky; ;D
12:12 chunky; DOWN WITH WOMEN UP WITH GNU!
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15:00 Techrights-sec2; they should cope ok, if they support proper HTTP for fetchig the Atom or RSS
15:00 Techrights-sec2; feed
15:00 Techrights-sec2; ack
15:01 Techrights-sec2; wget seems to have finished with /node
15:01 Techrights-sec2; FINISHED --2022-08-14 10:56:32--
15:01 Techrights-sec2; Total wall clock time: 2h 20m 52s
15:01 Techrights-sec2; Downloaded: 3893 files, 96M in 0.9s (102 MB/s)
15:01 Techrights-sec2; 3893 files seems like it might be a small subset of what's supposed to be there
15:02 Techrights-sec2; PeppermintOS torrent ratio is now > 7.7
15:02 Techrights-sec2; recent and old versions of Linux Mint remain at 1.8
15:02 Techrights-sec2; these are just anecdotal observations though
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; properly back now
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; chose a different canal today, so it was more interesting
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; the sites seem to be OK
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; regarding wget
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; there are over 170k pages in the site
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; and the structute is complex, there are interconnected CMSs
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; what I suggets is just doing a loop over /i/
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; than using i for /node/$i
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; with all objects in it as absoluire, domain and all
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; there /i/ is 160,something
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; later they serve as backup, following resotre from backup, followed by read-only
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; wget does not need to do anything recursively and if it gets a page every 2 seconds, 30 per minutes, it can get everything in less than an hour
15:11 schestowitz-TR2; brb, catching up
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15:26 Techrights-sec2; what would be that start value for $i and the end value for it?
15:26 schestowitz-TR2; checking
15:26 schestowitz-TR2; 166500
15:26 schestowitz-TR2; until
15:26 schestowitz-TR2; 168324
15:26 Techrights-sec2; that's just a few thousand
15:28 schestowitz-TR2; those are nodes that can be copies losslessly and would later be removed from "old"
15:28 schestowitz-TR2; we'll use another strategy for the older archives at a later point, for now the old site will still serve them
15:28 Techrights-sec2; checking
15:28 Techrights-sec2; ok
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15:32 schestowitz-TR2; all the hard parts are already well behind us
15:32 schestowitz-TR2; and it went more smoothly than I had imagined
15:32 schestowitz-TR2; we can 'innovate' on top of it now that we're not boxed inside drupal's loop
15:32 schestowitz-TR2; like push notifications and such
15:32 schestowitz-TR2; we already support http, http over tls, and gemini with tls, topic only for new updates (not public api though), same for git updates
15:33 Techrights-sec2; running
15:33 Techrights-sec2; excellent
15:33 Techrights-sec2; locked keys could be used to allow editing without shell access
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; there is also irc, with a bot or two there, but that's not new
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; we must think beyond www (net+dns OK) to stay relevant as more people adopt GNU/Linux and need news, forums etc.
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; sometimes at work we still get calls from random people needing "Linux" support
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; a lot of webforums were destroyed by spam, spinders, trolls...
15:37 schestowitz-TR2; ubuntu is shilling clown, not offering any community forums
15:38 schestowitz-TR2; clown= you pay rent for a PRIOPRIETARY system and then they give you "commercial support" for the proprietary crap only they can supoport(monopolies beget bad servic
15:38 schestowitz-TR2; e)
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15:41 Techrights-sec2; ack
15:41 Techrights-sec2; ack
15:41 Techrights-sec2; their 'ask ubuntu' was kind of a way to close down the forums
15:41 Techrights-sec2; the Forums were much of the community activity and kept the buzz going
15:41 Techrights-sec2; they should have had a community manager as liaison between the community
15:41 Techrights-sec2; and the company. Instead they had an a-hole spinmeister who tried what he could
15:41 Techrights-sec2; to boss the community around from on high and rub everyone the wrong way
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; openrespect
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; not free
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; open
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; "RESPECT MICROSOFT"=Zemlin
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; LF= we started as Linux, not we're openwashing everhything, even vaccines
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; Canononical=we make a better distro (Debian), not we offer many services, Ubuntu and WSL are among the "products"
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; tl;dr: cannopt trust corporations to manage communitiers (same with fedora and "open"suse... what's left of those)
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; now, SUSE="WE CAN GOOD ON CLOWN.. oh, you want SAP??"
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; 3~
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; in some sense we are back to 1980s or 1990s
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; the corporations have too much control
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; so grassroots efforts emerge, looking for collective control or emancipation
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; github is a hornet's nest, it's like a cage calling on the communities to enter
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; before they shut it
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; linuxtoday is trying to make a shilling by running like 15 webspam plugs... IBM+Microsoft site
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; it's run not by an eidotr but a strulling company
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; if thjey don;t monetise it, they will shuit it down
15:50 Techrights-sec2; LF is shilling more too, and Brodie Roberston is peddling what they are selling.
15:50 Techrights-sec2; Or has peddled at least in his recent video.
15:50 Techrights-sec2; Certifications are scams. Some of his are ok, and it is interesting to get
15:50 Techrights-sec2; his generation's perspective, but lately he has been off the mark and even
15:50 Techrights-sec2; outright wrong. :(
15:50 schestowitz-TR2; he invests (financially) in his videos
15:50 schestowitz-TR2; time too
15:50 schestowitz-TR2; but the content isn't all that great
15:50 schestowitz-TR2; did you see the video I posted last night of zemlin?
15:50 schestowitz-TR2; it's just 20 seconds
15:50 schestowitz-TR2; good for a laugh
15:51 Techrights-sec2; No, I did read the accompanying text though.
15:51 Techrights-sec2; gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/13/proprietary-keynote/ ?
15:52 schestowitz-TR2; I should have added a link, replicating the url for the video
15:52 schestowitz-TR2; mea culpa
15:52 schestowitz-TR2; I only remember when it's webm and automated
15:53 schestowitz-TR2; rant: just deleted another 20 odd stories on michael west
15:53 schestowitz-TR2; filter on aap, delet all
15:53 schestowitz-TR2; I don't are what ap australia says
15:53 schestowitz-TR2; if I wanted ap, I'd sub to ap
15:53 schestowitz-TR2; /s/are/care/
15:55 Techrights-sec2; ack
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; "jim, do you reject linux because it's not reliable enough for you"
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; [him goes on, messing up a keynote WITHOUT Linux]
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; I saw that a lot with Wionndows
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; it got so bad people came with prior expectation it "might not work'
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; and needed fallbacks
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; or borrowed another person's PC with usb stick
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; and wasted minutes, destroying the whole talk/schedule/plan
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; delaying or shortening food breaks
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; turns out windows monopoculture/monopoly is not assurance of smooth operations
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; security-wise, quite the contrary
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; in uni they would have the audacity to dedicate one machine too talks and ask us in advance to send
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; "our powerpoint presentation"
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; (almost 20 years ago)
16:00 schestowitz-TR2; so they also try to impose on you what software to work with and use to present
16:01 schestowitz-TR2; failing to see how inqdequate that is
16:01 schestowitz-TR2; what next? imposing speaking tempo? voice? race? use of hands?
16:01 Techrights-sec2; it is the opposite of smooth operations due to not only the flaws between
16:01 Techrights-sec2; versions, which are used to upsell, but also the flaws communicating with
16:01 Techrights-sec2; others even when using the /exact/ same versions
16:12 schestowitz-TR2; I used HTMl for my presentations
16:12 schestowitz-TR2; later some ODF
16:12 schestowitz-TR2; and latex
16:12 schestowitz-TR2; i.e. present from pdf
16:12 schestowitz-TR2; it's easy to export these to html too
16:21 schestowitz-TR2; sorry, I messed upo
16:21 schestowitz-TR2; did you manage to read what I said about drm and rootkits
16:21 schestowitz-TR2; and how because it's steam, then they're "OK" nopw?
16:21 schestowitz-TR2; After I mentioned how bloatesidered better than MSIE-onyl; or Windows-only
16:23 schestowitz-TR2; you also started writing something yourself
16:23 schestowitz-TR2; anyway, it's the whole "at-lkeast-it's-not-microsoftism"
16:23 schestowitz-TR2; and how now when we use a lot of bad things we just assume that Gulag with Summer of Labour is beyond criticism
16:23 schestowitz-TR2; and using its browsers to run things as a mere runtime is OK
16:23 schestowitz-TR2; webchats, presentation, conferences etc,.
16:23 schestowitz-TR2; ]
16:23 Techrights-sec2; almost
16:23 Techrights-sec2; oh well
16:23 Techrights-sec2; Google is no longer much better. Yes, it's better but only barely, and
16:23 Techrights-sec2; furthermore the direction it is continuing to head is no good.
16:24 schestowitz-TR2; I pressed ctrl+c for copy
16:24 schestowitz-TR2; forgot the context
16:24 schestowitz-TR2; but I think you at least read that
16:24 schestowitz-TR2; not much lost, except you started typing something when I pressed thr wrong keys
16:36 Techrights-sec2; np
16:38 schestowitz-TR2; each time this happens it becomes less probable it'll happen again
16:38 schestowitz-TR2; due to the undesirable mess that follows
16:38 schestowitz-TR2; been months since I last made this error
16:38 schestowitz-TR2; but like I said, I don't think anything was lost
16:38 schestowitz-TR2; from mind or unread
16:38 schestowitz-TR2; ytalk is still good all in all
16:38 schestowitz-TR2; more real-time than irc
16:41 schestowitz-TR2; I plan to tell marius that he cannot add images yet
16:41 schestowitz-TR2; and that it is work in progress
16:41 schestowitz-TR2; as for me, I have the ability to wget images into /Features
16:41 schestowitz-TR2; as a temporary measure
16:41 schestowitz-TR2; I will teach rianne how to add images
16:41 schestowitz-TR2; that directory has 182 images now
16:50 Techrights-sec2; the image part needs to be tested / finalized before the whole thing goes
16:50 Techrights-sec2; into production or it is ok to leave it off, too
16:52 schestowitz-TR2; tux machines did not have images until around 2014 when there were hotlinked
16:52 schestowitz-TR2; it is not good practice, it exposed to a lot of sites who reads TM,but for now we can focus on text and links
16:52 schestowitz-TR2; inotify+wget would still mean a command line step
16:52 schestowitz-TR2; for me, I just have an open terminal in the right dir
16:56 schestowitz-TR2; anshul fromn geeks for geeks posts very low s/r these days "interviews"
16:56 schestowitz-TR2; irrelevant indiuan history texts
16:56 schestowitz-TR2; likely "lifted". for seo..
16:56 schestowitz-TR2; and some promotional stuff
16:56 schestowitz-TR2; soemtimes a few useful things, but lost in the sea
16:56 schestowitz-TR2; same problem with many other sites
16:56 Techrights-sec2; sftp is another means to load the image but regardless, the work flow for images
16:56 Techrights-sec2; needs a lot of review
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; the images are probably the least important thing
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; rss is key... and presentastion
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; it's better tan the old site
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; btw, gemini hit counter passed 2000
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; it's being adopted more over time
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; first of its "kind" in that space
17:06 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> "TikTok has established itself as one of the top online platforms for U.S. teens, while the share of teens who use Facebook has fallen sharply" https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/08/10/teens-social-media-and-technology-2022/
17:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pewresearch.org | Teens, Social Media and Technology 2022 | Pew Research Center
17:07 Techrights-sec2; top platform for indoctrination of said population
17:08 schestowitz-TR2; yes, you can guess under which categ i've just put that under
17:08 schestowitz-TR2; under... under :/
17:08 schestowitz-TR2; pew=taking gates bribes
17:08 schestowitz-TR2; but there's more to it than gates
17:15 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:19 schestowitz-TR2; the web is rapidly becoming a tonnage of s**
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; sorry if that seems repetitive
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; I get loads of "diploma mill" spam in "linux" news
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; very few sites still try to report new stuff
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; phoronix has few comments
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; so I assume it lost a lot of following
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; and the remaining "aggregators" rake in a lot of worthless junk
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; it's not a problem of FINDING
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; it's a problem of material NOT EXISTING
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; 10 years aog there was so much you had to be picky what to link to
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; 15 years ago there was a sea of Linux coverage in "tech" media
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; not some chinese editor who had contributed to Microsoft sites and says evil "nerds" try to force her to use Linux
17:20 schestowitz-TR2; enderle is still writing some trash in datamation
17:20 Techrights-sec2; they usually only trot out enderle for a reason
17:20 Techrights-sec2; or two reasons, one to push a particular talking point,
17:20 Techrights-sec2; two to distract from something big
17:22 schestowitz-TR2; dfs said today (showed link) microsofters start floating windows 12 trash
17:22 schestowitz-TR2; only last summer they had a fake "vista 111" 'leak'
17:22 schestowitz-TR2; to distract from two bombshells
17:22 schestowitz-TR2; of course nobody adopted sta 11
17:22 Techrights-sec2; vista12
17:22 schestowitz-TR2; *vista
17:22 schestowitz-TR2; and 12 months later they do "12" gossip?
17:22 schestowitz-TR2; maybe a distraction from layoffs and shutdowns
17:22 schestowitz-TR2; but people won't care
17:22 schestowitz-TR2; the boy cried wold too many times
17:22 schestowitz-TR2; *wold
17:22 schestowitz-TR2; *wolf
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20:13 schestowitz-TR2; so far the site is holding up fine with the extra traffic
20:13 schestowitz-TR2; I also find the workflow faster than with the old site
20:13 schestowitz-TR2; and all stuff is locally hosted, no Gulag Translate in the page
20:13 Techrights-sec2; good
20:13 Techrights-sec2; that's excellent news
20:13 schestowitz-TR2; much faster
20:14 schestowitz-TR2; if later on there are bumps on the way, that's OK
20:14 schestowitz-TR2; we can overcome these
20:14 schestowitz-TR2; the old site's DB is not likely to change much at this stage
20:14 schestowitz-TR2; when we have a working copy of those ~1800 nodes we can test redirects, then revert back to better DB prior to
20:14 schestowitz-TR2; the loss of random old pages
20:18 schestowitz-TR2; the move relieves a TON of energy resources, too
20:18 schestowitz-TR2; no need to hurry anything at this point, but if people come to the site NOT via RSS feeds it'll seem like no upates are posted, so the next stage
20:18 schestowitz-TR2; will be redirecting the front page too, preferably AFTER the restore from Jne backu
20:18 schestowitz-TR2; *June backup
20:23 Techrights-sec2; ack
20:25 schestowitz-TR2; hmmm...
20:25 schestowitz-TR2; wait
20:25 schestowitz-TR2; I shoukld post a notice in top of old site to say, use this new address and this rss feed..
20:25 schestowitz-TR2; or shoiuld I redirect it salready? thoughts?
20:25 schestowitz-TR2; for now only rss subscribers come to the new addresses
20:26 Techrights-sec2; for now. eventually the old address should point to the new system
20:26 Techrights-sec2; the address news.tuxmachines.org ought not to be promoted since it will only
20:26 Techrights-sec2; lead to confusion later on; maybe describe it as a preview and that the
20:26 Techrights-sec2; site will move in the near future>
20:28 schestowitz-TR2; I am going to write something, make it "sticky"
20:28 schestowitz-TR2; no need to mention the RSS feed
20:28 schestowitz-TR2; as even the old RSS address already works again
20:28 schestowitz-TR2; just say, this site has no more new stories, go to this address for latest storie
20:28 schestowitz-TR2; s
20:29 Techrights-sec2; not phrased like that though, instead mention that the new stories are at the
20:29 Techrights-sec2; new site, but again that just complicates things it is better to run the two
20:29 Techrights-sec2; in parallel until the switch over; you can make the switchover now if you
20:29 Techrights-sec2; think it is sufficiently feature complete and bug free but then no new changes
20:29 Techrights-sec2; can be made to it.
20:31 schestowitz-TR2; we posted in both for about 10 days
20:31 schestowitz-TR2; the new one works OK
20:31 schestowitz-TR2; assuming you have wget going and will soon have a mirror for new nodes, I think we're at a good point (Sunday) to make the switch
20:31 schestowitz-TR2; even if the DB broke down or something, we have the static html pages
20:31 Techrights-sec2; wget is running afaik,
20:31 Techrights-sec2; I am logged out already and can check its progress next time;
20:31 Techrights-sec2; ok
20:31 Techrights-sec2; I guess the domain should then point at the new site and the old one
20:31 Techrights-sec2; renamed to old.tuxmachines.org
20:33 schestowitz-TR2; I have a better idea for backward compat of URLs
20:33 schestowitz-TR2; but that comes much later
20:33 schestowitz-TR2; inc. some more "introductory" and less busy front page
20:33 schestowitz-TR2; I will not redirect yet, just make a note that for any NEW story, go <there>
20:33 schestowitz-TR2; it'll keep things simple enough and not confuse readers
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20:36 Techrights-sec2; ok
20:36 Techrights-sec2; I'd say that if the stories have been discontinued there, then the domain should
20:36 Techrights-sec2; point to the new site then; If it is too early to point the DNS at the
20:36 Techrights-sec2; new system then it is too early to cease posting in parallel
20:36 Techrights-sec2; especially if we want to add the option to allow graphics in the stories.
20:36 Techrights-sec2; tldr; the name tuxmachines.org should always point to the active site
20:36 Techrights-sec2; not a redirection; if people intend to go to tuxmachines.org but end up instead
20:36 Techrights-sec2; at news.tuxmachines.org, that is going to cause at least some confusion among
20:36 Techrights-sec2; many visitors and their bookmarks and such
20:37 schestowitz-TR2; you are right, for the front page (only) I should set up a redirecton
20:37 schestowitz-TR2; all the other addresses remain fully intact
20:37 schestowitz-TR2; while we work behind the scenes on things
20:37 schestowitz-TR2; if people are redirected to a site with more recent stories, I think the confusion is less than seeing no new stories since lunchtime
20:37 schestowitz-TR2; the site name is the same
20:40 Techrights-sec2; it is the hostname which is relevant; if the addition of stories to the one
20:40 Techrights-sec2; system has ceased then it should not have the name tuxmachines.org
20:40 Techrights-sec2; only the active system should have that hostname; therefore if it is time
20:40 Techrights-sec2; to make the switch then it is time to make the change in DNS; conversely if
20:40 Techrights-sec2; it is not time to make the switch then the posts ought to be continued in the
20:40 Techrights-sec2; old system
20:40 Techrights-sec2; ok then please continue to post in parallel
20:40 Techrights-sec2; I think that is quite important until the hostname is transferred
20:40 schestowitz-TR2; DNS changes would not work as that would break like 169k URLs
20:40 schestowitz-TR2; for now we leave DNS unchanged
20:42 Techrights-sec2; also a post or two about the layout and backend changing soon might be useful
20:42 Techrights-sec2; so that people have a bit of warning
20:44 schestowitz-TR2; OK, you have convinced me not to redirect anyhing yet, but I will post a clear message to say we're moving to <that other address>
20:44 schestowitz-TR2; and this is where new stories are
20:44 schestowitz-TR2; at least visitors are forewarded
20:44 schestowitz-TR2; I will choose some nice suitable graphics for that
20:45 Techrights-sec2; thanks!
20:45 Techrights-sec2; about the wget scraping, if wget could not find the nodes how are they
20:45 Techrights-sec2; connected by links in anyway to the main page, even in a number of steps?
20:45 Techrights-sec2; right now wget is running queries against a range of numbers and not spidering
20:45 Techrights-sec2; spidering only found a few thousand nodes; if the rest of the nodes are not
20:45 Techrights-sec2; accessible to wget, then they are not accessible to the world or the search
20:45 Techrights-sec2; engines
20:47 schestowitz-TR2; quick answer:
20:48 schestowitz-TR2; they have long been indexed, in the same address, by search engines
20:48 schestowitz-TR2; they are accessible by next... next.... next
20:48 schestowitz-TR2; but remember most are just excepts and link to originals
20:48 schestowitz-TR2; so the "value" of the site is the quick new picks
20:48 schestowitz-TR2; the stuff like reviews is indexed separataely in pages
20:48 schestowitz-TR2; same for original blog posts
20:48 schestowitz-TR2; we prioritise original conteent [sic]
20:50 Techrights-sec2; I don't see the path from the main page though, as far as I can tell they
20:50 Techrights-sec2; are orphaned nodes
20:50 Techrights-sec2; if next ... next ... next worked, then the wget spidering should have workd :/
20:50 Techrights-sec2; yes the original blog posts are quite important too
20:50 Techrights-sec2; perhaps more so than the news nodes
20:51 schestowitz; http://tuxmachines.org/node?quicktabs_topics=2#quicktabs-topics
20:51 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines | Do you waddle the waddle?
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23:29 schestowitz-TR2; > http://tuxmachines.org/node?quicktabs_topics=2#quicktabs-topics
23:29 schestowitz-TR2; ^ monthly archives
23:29 schestowitz-TR2; marius has just posted his first node adter I had sent him a video explaining the whole process
23:29 schestowitz-TR2; is there a shell script warapped for the tm-update... perl file that updates existing nodes?
23:29 schestowitz-TR2; at the moment a manual run of refresh...() is needed for the changes to take effect in the pages,
23:29 schestowitz-TR2; not just the DB
23:29 schestowitz-TR2; asking because marius needed to amend what he had posted and I've not yet explained the process
23:29 schestowitz-TR2; in full. rianne also lacks experience with that process.
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