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00:06 starstreak; smoke weed every day!
00:12 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> smoke weed every day! <- 424/7?
00:13 highest_cubist_thrills; 153405
00:14 highest_cubist_thrills; thats 420 times 365.25
00:17 starstreak; my lungs are my... ATTack SUrfaCE
00:17 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
00:18 highest_cubist_thrills; "lets get two big industrial windmills, i already got one-- who needs three? well the first one, i broke it!"
00:18 starstreak; speaking of attack surface.. i changed my malware bootloader from brave to firefox
00:18 highest_cubist_thrills; ^ snoop, black umbrella
00:18 highest_cubist_thrills; "samurai!"
00:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
00:20 highest_cubist_thrills; "gonna get DUMB and bang a wiz-ARD, were gonna have a bonfire tonight-- yeah, yeah, yeah were smokin the right stuff!"-- miley
00:20 starstreak; "That's crazy man, have you ever tried DMT?" -Joe Rogan
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00:21 highest_cubist_thrills; "now why on earth did you treat me? as if i didnt understand trigonometry and tai chi?"
00:21 highest_cubist_thrills; "inverse cosign-- omigosh! theres never gonna be a better padawan than me!"
00:22 highest_cubist_thrills; sine
00:22 highest_cubist_thrills; attack cosine
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; i guess an inverse cosign would be if the bank wanted to get another manager to back them up
00:23 highest_cubist_thrills; "im not sure i can approve this loan without my managers signature too"
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe the manager has to sign it upside down
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; "That's crazy man, have you ever tried DMT?" -Joe Rogan <- im waiting for elon musk to grow mushrooms in space and bring them to try with joe rogan on the podcast
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; "wow, you grew these in space?"
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00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; "yeah, i mean i think so, i was pretty fucking high at the time"
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00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; "were you in the spacex thing?"
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00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; "no, my tesla is pressurised and i was going REALLY FAST"
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; roads! where were going we dont need... roads
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; though it does require an orbital charging station
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; /me can totally see musk making a "mr fusion" back to the future tesla power supply that runs on weed though
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; itll have a flux capacitor that instead of just being a Y its shaped like a pot leaf
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; "and the lights are green, too"
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; joe rogan "i gotta get one of these"
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; cheech marin is going to want a royalty check
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; "yo we totally did this already, man"
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; tommy chong: "yeah... did what?"
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; "the truck, you know?"
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; "ohhhhhh. yeah, thats was cool"
00:34 highest_cubist_thrills; /me makes a car that runs on dog shit
00:34 highest_cubist_thrills; if youre running low you just have to pull up close to the sidewalk
00:35 highest_cubist_thrills; then the scooper extends, drops it into the fuel loader...
00:35 highest_cubist_thrills; youre good for another 50 miles
00:35 highest_cubist_thrills; a big dog gets you 80
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00:36 highest_cubist_thrills; there are two models
00:36 highest_cubist_thrills; one runs on openbsd
00:37 highest_cubist_thrills; the other uses arch btw
00:37 highest_cubist_thrills; /me is going to make a derivative of arch called "arch btw"
00:42 MinceR; 13 013436 < highest_cubist_thrills> /me makes a car that runs on dog shit
00:42 MinceR; Mr. Fusion
00:42 starstreak; im going to make a derivative called Arch Linucks
00:42 MinceR; you can even toss the dog into Mr. Fusion
00:43 highest_cubist_thrills; /me doesnt hate dogs that much
00:43 MinceR; and it will be both cleaner and more useful than it otherwise ever could be
00:43 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe the sony aibo
00:43 highest_cubist_thrills; /me doesnt even hate robots that much
00:43 highest_cubist_thrills; just the ones i talk to on the phone
00:44 highest_cubist_thrills; but i want to throw them down a well
00:46 starstreak; lol
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00:54 starstreak; https://awesomekling.github.io/Ladybird-a-new-cross-platform-browser-project/
00:54 TR Bot; Ladybird: A new cross-platform browser project Andreas Kling I like computers!
00:55 highest_cubist_thrills; does it run on a c64?
00:55 highest_cubist_thrills; /me tries to guess how awesomekling is pronounced
00:56 highest_cubist_thrills; "awesome kaling"
00:56 starstreak; on a c64? lol
00:56 highest_cubist_thrills; "its actually just pronounced 'awesome', all the other letters are silent"
00:57 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> on a c64? lol <- its cross platform
00:57 starstreak; i dont even think lynx would run on c64
00:59 highest_cubist_thrills; not exactly
00:59 highest_cubist_thrills; https://commodore.software/downloads/category/115-ultimate-lynx
00:59 TR Bot; Commodore Software - Ultimate Lynx
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 53.75 average k/sec., average swarm size 162.45
00:59 XRevan86; starstreak: That's an ambitious project, pretty cool.
00:59 starstreak; generally i dont assume stuff would work for c64 because its 40 years old
01:00 highest_cubist_thrills; it works with roy and hes 40 years old
01:00 highest_cubist_thrills; The Lynx was an 8-bit British home computer that was first released in early 1983 as a 48 kB model. [5] Several models were available with 48 kB, 96 kB or 128 kB RAM. It was possible to reach 192 kB with RAM expansions on board. John Shireff designed the hardware and Davis Jansons the firmware.
01:01 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: On which Roy's body part Lynx is capable of running?
01:03 highest_cubist_thrills; <XRevan86> highest_cubist_thrills: On which Roy's body part Lynx is capable of running? <- thats a very personal question
01:03 highest_cubist_thrills; also i think he requires an adapter of some kind
01:03 highest_cubist_thrills; also i said "works with" not "runs on"
01:04 XRevan86; So does that mean that Commodore 64 can also "work with" Lynx?
01:04 highest_cubist_thrills; almost without question, its a matter of how close you can get them together
01:05 highest_cubist_thrills; and whether it would qualify
01:07 highest_cubist_thrills; i think its natalie wynn that said a woman using a hammer becomes woman-with-hammer
01:07 highest_cubist_thrills; so roy using lynx would become roy-with-lynx
01:08 highest_cubist_thrills; this a non-essentialist view but there are countless points in favor of this both in the tech community and other contexts i neednt mention here
01:08 highest_cubist_thrills; i think the subject was transhumanism
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01:09 highest_cubist_thrills; its not so much that i find the argument perfectly sways me
01:09 highest_cubist_thrills; as there are plenty of reasonable examples prior to the argument being made that make it a little less ridiculous than it sounds
01:10 highest_cubist_thrills; even when you drive a car
01:10 highest_cubist_thrills; the car becomes an extension of your body
01:10 highest_cubist_thrills; and you interface with it like its an extension of your body
01:10 highest_cubist_thrills; not at first
01:10 highest_cubist_thrills; but at the point where you stop thinking about the car-- and only think about driving
01:11 highest_cubist_thrills; the way you interface with your own body is the same
01:11 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean
01:11 highest_cubist_thrills; if you lose an arm, and get a robot arm
01:12 MinceR; 13 020741 < highest_cubist_thrills> so roy using lynx would become roy-with-lynx
01:12 MinceR; earth-with-plastic
01:12 highest_cubist_thrills; do you use it (conceptually) the same way you use your other arm, or is there some truly fundamental conceptual difference due to the fact that its artificial
01:13 MinceR; but can you run Lynx on a Camputers Lynx connected with an Atari Lynx?
01:13 starstreak; is there a gui version of lynx
01:13 highest_cubist_thrills; but can you run Lynx on a Camputers Lynx connected with an Atari Lynx? <- the real question is can you run lynx on an actual lynx? and will it maul you if you try
01:14 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> is there a gui version of lynx <- theres a gui version of elinks
01:14 highest_cubist_thrills; you can run lynx on a gui term window
01:14 highest_cubist_thrills; what is lynx
01:14 highest_cubist_thrills; (baby dont hurt me, dont hurt me, no more)
01:14 starstreak; its a text browser
01:15 highest_cubist_thrills; i know, ive used it
01:15 starstreak; i just use firefox
01:15 highest_cubist_thrills; you can run lynx in firefox
01:17 highest_cubist_thrills; you can even run arch btw
01:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
01:23 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> i just use firefox <- does it run on a c64?
01:25 starstreak; i dont have a c64 so idgaf
01:26 MinceR; you'd need a lot of c64-s just to keep a bit of it in RAM
01:26 starstreak; the crappiest computer that I own is a raspi zero w
01:26 MinceR; i'm not sure if you could even help it out with swap
01:26 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure youd need more c64s every time they made a new version
01:26 highest_cubist_thrills; it keeps loner busy
01:26 MinceR; :>
01:27 MinceR; the slowest computer i own that isn't a microcontroller is probably a sinclair zx spectrum that i haven't even taken out of the cupboard in decades
01:27 highest_cubist_thrills; if you think he spends a lot of time waxing nostalgic about the third reich, you should see how much time he spends on ebay
01:28 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> the slowest computer i own that isn't a microcontroller is probably a sinclair zx spectrum <- i really love the idea of lightweight hardware, i do
01:28 highest_cubist_thrills; with that said
01:28 highest_cubist_thrills; if i wanted to go back to 8bit, id just go back to 8bit
01:28 highest_cubist_thrills; my main regrets about not spending more time with it
01:29 highest_cubist_thrills; stem from the fact that people who played with 8bit tended to become more familar with the hardware
01:29 highest_cubist_thrills; and that familiarity often followed them through more elaborate models as hardware increased in complexity
01:29 highest_cubist_thrills; so today they know more about hardware in general
01:29 highest_cubist_thrills; simply getting a c64 (ive played with a few of them) wouldnt fix this
01:30 highest_cubist_thrills; id have to spend many years learning about them and other computers
01:30 MinceR; yeah, 8bit is not enough for me
01:30 highest_cubist_thrills; i really like dynamic typing
01:30 MinceR; i would stick to unix workstation class stuff
01:30 highest_cubist_thrills; i really like flat memory addressing
01:30 highest_cubist_thrills; so i mean
01:30 MinceR; i prefer virtual memory and memory protection
01:31 highest_cubist_thrills; a few years ago, i really wanted to put debian on a 486
01:31 highest_cubist_thrills; okay, like closer to 10 years ago
01:31 highest_cubist_thrills; and i used to have a 486, they used to be easier to find
01:31 highest_cubist_thrills; can i get one from ebay? sure, but theyre heavy
01:31 highest_cubist_thrills; that makes shipping costly
01:32 highest_cubist_thrills; can i get a 486 laptop? sure, that makes it less likely to have the loads of ram i want
01:32 highest_cubist_thrills; really putting together a 486 thats good for anything i want to do with it
01:32 highest_cubist_thrills; is a helly of a lot trickier to do than it is to just get a pentium
01:32 highest_cubist_thrills; really a hell of a lot
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; so what do i get if i go 486?
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; fuck if i know
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; i ran an 8088 once
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; learned to code on it
01:34 highest_cubist_thrills; what am i going to do with that
01:34 TR News; "Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 752 for the week of September 4 10, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/09/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-752/ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/09/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-752/
01:34 TR Bot; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 752
01:34 TR Bot; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 752
01:34 highest_cubist_thrills; why not something with more power?
01:34 highest_cubist_thrills; real (practical) questions yield the best answers here
01:35 highest_cubist_thrills; and if you have an ideology, thats great-- you should still ask the right questions that yield the answers that make sense
01:35 highest_cubist_thrills; like herr doktor wants a chipset that you can design on paper
01:35 highest_cubist_thrills; thats fine
01:35 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think he will ever fucking build that
01:36 highest_cubist_thrills; just to come here and whinge about how hitler is dead, wah wah
01:36 highest_cubist_thrills; but i designed this cpu with paper and pencil!
01:36 highest_cubist_thrills; not with a pen?
01:36 highest_cubist_thrills; no, pens are a stupid western conspiracy
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; ink is for idiots
01:37 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, do you use gemini?
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; im a fan of gemini, i told you about my adventures trying to get gemini running initially
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; i havent given up, its just not a priority
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; i think i also told you what i do in the meantime
01:38 starstreak; i just updated my gemini capsule today
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; thats awesome
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont go on gemini much yet
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; i have a client
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; it works
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; i use it infrequently
01:38 starstreak; i use lagrange btw
01:38 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; i think i tried installing it
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; just to try it
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; id never use that behemoth regularly
01:39 starstreak; behemoth?
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; there are fewer clients for openbsd, i ended up making one from spart parts
01:39 highest_cubist_thrills; lagrange uses opengl doesnt it?
01:40 starstreak; SDL
01:40 MinceR; Q: Did you hear about the constipated mathematician? A: He worked it out with a pencil.
01:40 highest_cubist_thrills; classic
01:40 TR News; (NEW): 3 Ways to Screenshot Right-Click Context Menus on Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/3_Ways_to_Screenshot_Right_Click_Context_Menus_on_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/3_Ways_to_Screenshot_Right_Click_Context_Menus_on_Linux.gmi
01:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines 3 Ways to Screenshot Right-Click Context Menus on Linux
01:40 starstreak; lagrange seemed quick and lightweight
01:40 highest_cubist_thrills; for what the protocol requires, lagrange is comically oversized
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; like running gnome on a ti-83
01:41 starstreak; how big is it?
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; it uses several libraries
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; a gemini client doesnt need so many libraries
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt need a gui either
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; im not against people using a gui to do gemini
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; but really, whats larger than lagrange?
01:42 starstreak; i have it loaded and it uses 32mb of ram
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; it might be the largest client there is
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; so thats not so much ram
01:42 starstreak; 32mb of ram is too big?
01:42 TR News; "Let's look back at amusing story from Linux history, while Linux isn't perfect today this operating system used to be a usability nightmare for the average person." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DJiSDeGoLAQ
01:42 TR Bot; Linux Was Once A Terrible Operating System - Invidious
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; but these are the early days
01:42 highest_cubist_thrills; if it uses 32 now it will be 80 or 90 soon
01:42 starstreak; hexchat uses about 50
01:43 starstreak; discord uses 400mb
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; discord is ridiculous
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; but your hexchat comparison is reasonable
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; thats a fair point
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; i used to use sdl
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; fwiw
01:43 highest_cubist_thrills; my own projects used it
01:44 MinceR; i used sdl once
01:44 starstreak; i remember installing lagrange and it didnt pull in very much for deps
01:44 MinceR; but that was a game
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; but they were using it for graphics
01:44 MinceR; sdl is much better suited for games than for browsers
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; "dude, have you ever like tried sdl?"-- joe rogan
01:44 TR News; At the cost/toll of toolchain bloat https://www.phoronix.com/news/LPC-2022-Rust-Linux also, they're becoming attached to Microsoft proprietary software, censorship etc.
01:44 TR Bot; 2022: Rust Linux Drivers Capable Of Achieving Performance Comparable To C Code - Phoronix
01:44 starstreak; SDL gives it the smooth scrolling
01:44 MinceR; "hitler took the sdl" -- alex jones
01:44 highest_cubist_thrills; sdl is making frogs gay!
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; whenever i hear "smooth scrolling" i stick my fingers in my ears
01:45 MinceR; something should give it good font rendering with configurable fonts too
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont remember what kind of scrolling existed before smooth scrolling
01:45 highest_cubist_thrills; but it seemed smooth enough
01:45 TR News; Microsoft junk creeping into Linux https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/59960918-0adb-6d53-2d77-8172e666bf40@paragon-software.com/
01:45 TR Bot; [PATCH 0/3] fs/ntfs3: Refactoring and hidedotfiles option - Konstantin Komarov
01:46 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6Whgn_iE5uc
01:46 TR Bot; Santana - Smooth ft. Rob Thomas (Official Video) - Invidious
01:46 starstreak; kristal seemed shitty to me, probably cuz its for kde
01:47 TR News; 'Linux' Foundation openwashing for Microsoft https://www.datanami.com/2022/09/12/linkedin-donates-feature-store-to-linux-foundation/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
01:47 TR Bot; LinkedIn Donates Feature Store to Linux Foundation
01:47 TR Bot; Linux Foundation - Techrights
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah i dont think ill ever use kde again
01:48 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont even classify it as free software anymore
01:48 starstreak; why?
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; because any project that took part in a conspiracy to destroy the free software movement needs to be forked before it qualifies as giving a shit about freedom
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; and if it doesnt give a shit about freedom, its probably better off being labelled "open source"
01:49 highest_cubist_thrills; as a warning.
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; surgeons general warning: this project will probably make fun of you for comparing telemetry to spyware, cancel your leaders, stab you in the back, and lie about everything while sucking off corporations
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; who needs it
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; fuck kde
01:50 highest_cubist_thrills; traitors
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; and bloat anyway
01:51 starstreak; what conspiracy?
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; really?
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; /me waves hand around the domain name
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; have you seen this website?
01:51 starstreak; yeah
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; how about gnu.tools
01:51 highest_cubist_thrills; aka gnu.fools
01:52 highest_cubist_thrills; how about https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/
01:52 TR Bot; Is LibrePlanet Safe?
01:52 TR News; (NEW): AMD Utilizes User-Space Hinting To Achieve Faster EPYC CPU Performance in Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/AMD_Utilizes_User_Space_Hinting_To_Achieve_Faster_EPYC_CPU_Perf.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/AMD_Utilizes_User_Space_Hinting_To_Achieve_Faster_EPYC_CPU_Perf.gmi
01:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines AMD Utilizes User-Space Hinting To Achieve Faster EPYC CPU Performance in Linux
01:52 highest_cubist_thrills; because its been going on ever since then
01:53 starstreak; i use arch/gnome/wayland/systemd/pipewire
01:53 starstreak; i even use systemd-boot
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; i know, youre fucking weird
01:53 starstreak; its free software idgaf
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; no no no no
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; once you add "idgaf" it isnt free at all
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; you cant have free AND idgaf
01:53 highest_cubist_thrills; it wont work
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; indeed it doesnt
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; idgaf destroyed the movement
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; its dead
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; dead
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; because ngaf
01:54 starstreak; maybe im weird
01:54 starstreak; i'd much rather use macOS
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; give it a few years, who knows what will happen
01:54 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd is microsoft
01:55 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Security_Leftovers.gmi
01:55 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; github and lennart is a fucking employee
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome is microsoft
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre basically hitmen
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; if the mafia made an operating system
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; thats what youre using
01:55 TR News; (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter and Debuginfod http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Canonical_Ubuntu_Ubuntu_Weekly_Newsletter_and_Debuginfod.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Canonical_Ubuntu_Ubuntu_Weekly_Newsletter_and_Debuginfod.gmi
01:55 TR Bot; Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter and Debuginfod
01:55 highest_cubist_thrills; i use openbsd, btw
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; but its only a step in the right direction
01:56 schestowitz[TR]; what happend to gnome OS?
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; only a jump away from this fucking mess
01:56 schestowitz[TR]; not a work about it in years
01:56 schestowitz[TR]; at least a year
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; and then a step the riiiiiiiiiight
01:56 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], they just turned gnome into gnomeOS
01:56 highest_cubist_thrills; what happend to gnome OS? <- its called debian now
01:56 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.gmi
01:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
01:57 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> schestowitz[TR], they just turned gnome into gnomeOS <- i was calling it gnome os before that, and i wasnt the only one
01:57 TR News; Proprietary https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/apple-fixes-10-bugs-including-two-zero-days-under-exploit.html
01:57 MinceR; 13 025516 < highest_cubist_thrills> gnome is microsoft
01:57 highest_cubist_thrills; because it is
01:57 TR Bot; - Apple fixes 10 bugs including two zero-days under exploit
01:57 MinceR; https://i.imgur.com/pYuj8tW.png
01:57 starstreak; i actually like gnome tho
01:57 highest_cubist_thrills; if you made gnome into a godforsaken operating system...
01:57 MinceR; yeah, you've made it clear that you like crap :>
01:57 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> i actually like gnome tho <- that IS weird
01:58 TR News; VMware fraud https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/vmware-pays-fine-to-settle-sec-charge-of-misleading-investors.html
01:58 TR Bot; - VMware pays fine to settle SEC charge of misleading investors
01:58 highest_cubist_thrills; its funny, bcause i know youre always going to be like this
01:58 highest_cubist_thrills; but i like you anyway
01:58 starstreak; lots of people like gnome
01:58 TR News; How To Access The Dark Web (Using Tor) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zQW3MdF25B8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/zQW3MdF25B8
01:58 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre weird too
01:59 TR Bot; How To Access The Dark Web (Using Tor) - Invidious
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 55.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 174.86
01:59 starstreak; lol
01:59 highest_cubist_thrills; even im weird, but everybody knows that
01:59 starstreak; what do you use again?
01:59 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the difference
01:59 highest_cubist_thrills; they dont know theyre weird...
01:59 *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@fc65skp26a66s.irc) has joined #techrights
01:59 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> what do you use again? <- i dont
01:59 starstreak; fvwm?
01:59 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome and kde are redundant layers of bloat
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont use one
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; oh, window manager
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; dwm
02:00 starstreak; ah ok
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; only because icewm brings in shit from gnome
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; but really at this point id hate going back
02:00 highest_cubist_thrills; if you find a tiling wm you like
02:01 highest_cubist_thrills; the idea of having to move and resize all your stupid little windows again is awful
02:01 starstreak; sway is supposed to be good
02:01 highest_cubist_thrills; everything is supposed to be good
02:01 highest_cubist_thrills; "we know youre looking for an editor thats completely and utter shit, and finally we made you one!"
02:02 highest_cubist_thrills; "youll hate it, it wont do anything you want, it even requires systemd"
02:02 highest_cubist_thrills; "well at least it requires systemd1"
02:02 highest_cubist_thrills; "yeah, i mean thats one feature thats must-have these days"
02:02 *starstreak formats laptop and installs freebsd and mate
02:02 highest_cubist_thrills; "its probably very cutting edge!"
02:03 highest_cubist_thrills; its too bad debian shafted mate like they did
02:03 highest_cubist_thrills; they really are just gnomes little lapdogs
02:03 highest_cubist_thrills; debian: another microsoft distro
02:03 MinceR; i like being able to move and resize all my stupid little windows
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> i like being able to move and resize all my stupid little windows <- yes, in theory so do i
02:04 MinceR; i tried i3 and didn't like it
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; in practice, never again...
02:04 MinceR; i did write a script to resize/move windows into grid slots though, in case i wanted to
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; technically you can move and resize every stupid little window in dwm
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; i just dont want to
02:04 TR News; Apple easy to use? No! "Its been a bit tricky to get running on Apple Silicon Macs" https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/09/12/diffusion-bee
02:04 TR Bot; Daring Fireball: Diffusion Bee 1.0: Easy to Install Stable Diffusion for Apple Silicon Macs
02:04 MinceR; and added a Grow button to my title bars, also to make use of empty areas
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> i did write a script to resize/move windows into grid slots though, in case i wanted to <- thats always fun
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; i was very impressed by what os/2 warp could do along these lines
02:04 highest_cubist_thrills; your script is probably better
02:05 highest_cubist_thrills; being decades newer
02:05 TR News; Apple = cliches
02:05 highest_cubist_thrills; honestly its a farce that every window system wasnt scriptable from day 1
02:05 TR News; Teachers Forum Condemns NCERTs Decision to Remove Chapters on Climate Change | NewsClick https://www.newsclick.in/Teacher-forum-condemns-NCERT-decision-remove-chapters-climate-change Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.newsclick.in/Teacher-forum-condemns-NCERT-decision-remove-chapters-climate-change
02:05 TR Bot; Teachers Forum Condemns NCERTs Decision to Remove Chapters on Climate Change | NewsClick
02:06 TR News; Hope is dead - neritam https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/09/12/hope-is-dead/ Source: Neritam/Michael Moore
02:06 TR Bot; Hope is dead neritam
02:07 highest_cubist_thrills; /me moves one of his windows freely, then puts it back
02:07 TR News; "When those who expose the crimes of the state are criminalized and sent to prison, tyranny is inevitable." https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/when-the-just-go-to-prison
02:07 TR Bot; When The Just Go to Prison - The Chris Hedges Report
02:07 starstreak; i like mate too
02:07 highest_cubist_thrills; i liked gnome 2
02:07 highest_cubist_thrills; it was the last good version of gnome
02:07 TR News; (NEW): Videos Evolving GNU/Linux UIs, Installing Linux on a USB, and Accessing The Dark Web http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Videos_Evolving_GNU_Linux_UIs_Installing_Linux_on_a_USB_and_Acc.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Videos_Evolving_GNU_Linux_UIs_Installing_Linux_on_a_USB_and_Acc.gmi
02:07 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos Evolving GNU/Linux UIs, Installing Linux on a USB, and Accessing The Dark Web
02:08 starstreak; i had a freebsd+mate vm and it was using 385mb ram which was pretty fly
02:08 MinceR; i liked gnome 1 (or maybe 0.99)
02:08 MinceR; it was the last good version of gnome
02:08 highest_cubist_thrills; before neil mcgovern had that horrible accident and was mauled to death by 100 badgers
02:08 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> i liked gnome 1 (or maybe 0.99) <MinceR> it was the last good version of gnom <- we can quibble
02:08 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D700.jpg
02:08 MinceR; :>
02:08 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D352.jpg
02:09 highest_cubist_thrills; hell if you said "there never was a good version of gnome" i wouldnt argue
02:09 starstreak; what about enlightenment?
02:09 highest_cubist_thrills; i never liked it really
02:09 TR News; "I just published a page on this capsule to list my favourites from Kristall (Gemini Browser). There are some interesting stuff there that you could use as a starting point on your Gemini voyage. :)" gemini://ivanodintsoff.smol.pub/favourites-from-kristall
02:09 MinceR; it had multiple panels, child panels, collapsing a panel into a button at its end, automatically collapsing panels, swallowing arbitrary windows into the panel
02:09 MinceR; it let you switch wm-s from the control center
02:09 MinceR; it was everything gnome 2+ wasn't
02:10 highest_cubist_thrills; theres an episode of classic star trek where spock and kirk get the hang of an alien computer
02:10 highest_cubist_thrills; that i always think of when people mention enlightenment
02:10 TR News; "The debate between upstream and downstream packaging rages on, especially as of late. I thought I'd express some frustration at some third party repositories I've tried to install lately and what went wrong." gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-09-12.gmi
02:10 MinceR; it had none of this stupid "let's remove printer settings because they might confuse a simpleton!"
02:10 highest_cubist_thrills; i think it should be easier to get used to a window manager / de than switching from gnu/linux to bsd
02:10 highest_cubist_thrills; but it wasnt
02:10 MinceR; enlightenment was the slowest wm i've ever seen on x
02:10 MinceR; not sure if it's slower than windows, probably not
02:10 highest_cubist_thrills; it had none of this stupid "let's remove printer settings because they might confuse a simpleton!" <- yes. well
02:11 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome designers are some of the dumbest people on earth
02:11 highest_cubist_thrills; they would remove an eject button from a plane because it might confuse someone
02:11 MinceR; and enlightenment also let me choose between "pop up a massive distracting tooltip often" and "forget how to do things"
02:11 MinceR; gnome used to copy kde, that's when it was goo
02:11 MinceR; d
02:11 MinceR; now gnome copies macos and kde copies gnome
02:11 highest_cubist_thrills; i thought gnome came first, but i honestly dont know
02:12 highest_cubist_thrills; kde copies gnome <- gnome is ibm, if you dont copy them youre fucked
02:13 MinceR; then i'm fucked
02:13 highest_cubist_thrills; at least youre not using gnome though
02:13 MinceR; kde came first, the original purpose of gnome was to do what kde does, but with free software
02:13 MinceR; (Qt was proprietary back then)
02:14 highest_cubist_thrills; too bad they forgot the free software part
02:14 highest_cubist_thrills; probably something about having bills dick in their mouth 24/7
02:15 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome: 101 redundant layers of increased efficiency!
02:15 highest_cubist_thrills; all of which are mandatory
02:16 highest_cubist_thrills; "if you want to know what gnome is, its a bare foot stomping on a users face, forever"
02:17 MinceR; yeah
02:17 TR News; (NEW): Gemini Articles of Interest http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.gmi
02:17 TR Bot; Tux Machines Gemini Articles of Interest
02:17 TR News; (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Today_in_Techrights.gmi
02:17 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
02:17 highest_cubist_thrills; with that said
02:18 highest_cubist_thrills; even i didnt hate gnome 2
02:18 highest_cubist_thrills; i can see why someone would though
02:18 highest_cubist_thrills; id like to see a fork of mate thats lighter :)
02:18 highest_cubist_thrills; mate fans neednt worry, mate will probably never be forked
02:18 highest_cubist_thrills; it will be a miracle if its maintained
02:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; id like to see a fork of gnome 1 but im sure the libraries it needs are much too incompatible
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; which says a lot about guis in general
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre like disposable razors
02:20 highest_cubist_thrills; they create loads of waste and when youre done, you throw them away because theres fuck-all else you can do with them
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; now, i dont want this to be true-- i dont think it has to be
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; x11 is a straight razor obviously
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; it hurts to use and if you try to open it up, youll get blood all over the place
02:21 highest_cubist_thrills; but its been around forever
02:22 schestowitz[TR]; x11 is neatly built they say
02:22 schestowitz[TR]; well structured
02:22 schestowitz[TR]; if you open it up
02:22 schestowitz[TR]; not sure aboyt wayland
02:22 highest_cubist_thrills; who said that, joe rogan?
02:22 schestowitz[TR]; no
02:22 schestowitz[TR]; developers who work with it
02:22 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure wayland is nearly useless
02:22 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont want it
02:22 highest_cubist_thrills; but i dont believe x11 is "neatly" anything
02:23 highest_cubist_thrills; it works and im grateful
02:23 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_leftovers.gmi
02:23 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
02:24 TR News; Links 12/09/2022: New in KDE Plasma 5.26, Istio Has New Releases | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/12/istio-has-new-releases/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/12/istio-has-new-releases/
02:24 TR Bot; Links 12/09/2022: New in KDE Plasma 5.26, Istio Has New Releases | Techrights
02:24 highest_cubist_thrills; its forkable
02:24 highest_cubist_thrills; so theres that
02:24 highest_cubist_thrills; and hey
02:24 highest_cubist_thrills; it goes up to 11
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; systems will be 200 soon
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; and still not stable
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; more support to sell
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; azure went offlike recernt
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; recently
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; no DNS
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; after systemd fuckup
02:25 highest_cubist_thrills; heres some broken shit, thanks for flying the azure express
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, they changed to systemd doing dns
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; and it didn't work
02:26 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm bought red hat
02:26 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe microsoft will buy debian
02:26 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean they already own it
02:26 starstreak; microsoft is more likely to buy canonical
02:26 highest_cubist_thrills; but they could be more explicit about it
02:26 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft is more likely to buy canonical <- close enough
02:27 highest_cubist_thrills; if you sent canonical into orbit, debian might collapse (at this point)
02:27 starstreak; Microsoft Linux 24.04 LTS with powershell, vscode, mono, edge
02:27 highest_cubist_thrills; if microsoft bought canonical, they would effectively own debian
02:27 starstreak; canonical doesn't own debian
02:27 highest_cubist_thrills; its sort of like owning someone by purchasing their foot
02:28 highest_cubist_thrills; but whats a shackle, whats an ankle bracelet
02:28 highest_cubist_thrills; its not like debian would free itself
02:28 highest_cubist_thrills; they had a chance to do that 8 years ago
02:28 highest_cubist_thrills; they didnt bother
02:28 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1568592701796261888
02:28 TR Bot; I've noticed that too. It's Novell's SUSE all over again: Latest Ubuntu Promotes Microsoft's Proprietary Software https://t.co/Q0HKD0Z41x
02:28 TR Bot; I've noticed that too. It's Novell's SUSE all over again: Latest Ubuntu Promotes Microsoft's Proprietary Software https://t.co/Q0HKD0Z41x
02:28 highest_cubist_thrills; debian is a hostage of gnome and canonical
02:28 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre happy to be
02:28 highest_cubist_thrills; they have stockholm syndrome
02:28 highest_cubist_thrills; so does rms
02:28 highest_cubist_thrills; literal stockholm syndrome
02:29 highest_cubist_thrills; https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/ <- that stupid woman
02:29 TR Bot; ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/ )
02:29 highest_cubist_thrills; how old is she?
02:29 schestowitz[TR]; who?
02:29 schestowitz[TR]; oh
02:29 highest_cubist_thrills; christine
02:29 schestowitz[TR]; christine
02:29 schestowitz[TR]; no idea
02:29 highest_cubist_thrills; she looks like the queen
02:30 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure the queen was a nicer person
02:30 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/Agee_m0iga/status/1568157085681999872
02:30 TR Bot; Canonical w #ububtu promuje zamknite oprogramowanie Mcrosoftu https://t.co/VihyimO777
02:30 TR Bot; techrights.org | Latest Ubuntu Promotes Microsofts Proprietary Software | Techrights
02:30 highest_cubist_thrills; never heard of agee
02:30 highest_cubist_thrills; roy doesnt pay attention to twitter
02:30 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/MarconSunday/status/1567891841416036354
02:30 TR Bot; Paranoid post: https://t.co/BSnllXfwjh
02:30 highest_cubist_thrills; its completely useless noise
02:31 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1566779822252204032
02:31 TR Bot; Stallman et la souverainet de l'Etat https://t.co/oPJ3S4sxgr
02:31 TR Bot; techrights.org | [FR] Richard Stallmans Talk This Past Summer in France (There Were More Such Talks) | Techrights
02:32 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/aifesteves/status/1566353236520583169
02:32 TR Bot; Executivos da Microsoft Tomam a Linux Foundation e triplicam a si prprios os ordenados. https://t.co/R4okYSzVmv
02:32 TR Bot; techrights.org | Jim Zemlins Salary More Than Doubled in Just 5 Years (From $500,000 to $1,150,000 in Six Years), Unlike Linus Torvalds | Techrights
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; https://twitter.com/BettyLoo15/status/1566651845962911748
02:33 TR Bot; There's these: https://t.co/nG5hQqTaqI & https://t.co/ddVU8gKaVx Creepy bastard... https://t.co/viOAVW2sLv https://t.co/t4GwJDQIQX
02:33 TR Bot; techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part I: Bill Gates Has Plenty to Hide. Money and Connections Have Helped. | Techrights
02:33 TR Bot; www.dailymail.co.uk | Engineer employed at Bill Gates' mansion 'traded 6k child sex abuse images' | Daily Mail Online
02:33 TR Bot; ( status 400 @ https://t.co/viOAVW2sLv )
02:33 TR Bot; There's these: https://t.co/nG5hQqTaqI & https://t.co/ddVU8gKaVx Creepy bastard... https://t.co/viOAVW2sLv https://t.co/t4GwJDQIQX
02:36 MinceR; 13 032507 < schestowitz[TR]> and still not stable
02:36 TR News; "During the last few days we have been receiving messages from Ukrainian free software activists and supporters of Richard Stallman whose lives have been shattered by war." https://stallmansupport.org/letter-from-bomb-shelter-ukraine.html
02:36 TR Bot; Letter from Bomb Shelter in Ukraine | Stallman Support
02:36 MinceR; fedora's been forcing it on users for 11 years and it's still not stable
02:37 MinceR; deadian's been forcing it on users for 7 years and it's still not stable
02:37 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2]: While you're having fun with your gas bills and Liz Trump cutting taxes on people that aren't you......
02:37 MinceR; arch btw has been forcing it on users for 10 years and it's still not stable
02:37 DaemonFC; Looks like our landlord is listing a unit next door for $200 more than we pay. I think it's bigger, but still....
02:37 DaemonFC; That's not good.
02:38 MinceR; 13 032839 < highest_cubist_thrills> theyre happy to be
02:38 TR News; "Huge wins for RISC-V and Ubuntu Unity, the changing ways that software is distributed, and a sad lament for young peoples privacy. Plus why KDE Plasma isnt default in many major distros, along with the usual goodness in the Korner." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-194/
02:38 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 194 Late Night Linux
02:38 DaemonFC; Mandy and I are each getting $50 Prickster Bucks.
02:38 MinceR; probably everyone who cared about software freedom left deadian long ago
02:38 DaemonFC; That'll be like 2 weeks worth of the rent increase.
02:38 DaemonFC; :)
02:38 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-120922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-120922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-120922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-120922.txt
02:38 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 12, 2022
02:38 DaemonFC; I hope the grocery tax repeal becomes permanent, but I don't plan on it.
02:39 DaemonFC; It's symbolic though, like everything else.
02:39 DaemonFC; If you spend $600 a month on groceries, you save $6. Woohoo.
02:39 MinceR; if something not pushed by MICROS~1 or dehomag or intHell had spent 7 years being unstable, the cult of the "modern" would be all up in arms to toss it out.
02:39 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-120922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-120922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-120922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-120922.txt
02:39 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 12, 2022
02:40 DaemonFC; Coffee prices shot WAAAAAY up. I bought an entire case pack of coffee from Amazon that was nearing expiration .
02:40 DaemonFC; It's still fine to drink for a year or two past. Done it before.
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02:40 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> probably everyone who cared about software freedom left deadian long ago <- all thats left is to translate this into latin
02:40 DaemonFC; Cut coffee in the morning by ~20%.
02:41 DaemonFC; I usually made like 5 cups, but I noticed I didn't always drink it all.
02:41 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> arch btw has been forcing it on users for 10 years and it's still not stable <- the only thing about arch is that
02:41 DaemonFC; If I make 4 cups, then it always all gets used.
02:41 TR News; Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-120922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-120922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-120922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-120922.txt
02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 12, 2022
02:41 highest_cubist_thrills; when debian targets its foot for demolition you can feel the disturbance in the force
02:42 MinceR; you could
02:42 highest_cubist_thrills; when you break something in arch, its hard to tell if its sabotage or simply an update.
02:42 MinceR; but deadian hasn't had feet for 7 years
02:42 MinceR; when something breaks in arch btw, can you even tell?
02:42 highest_cubist_thrills; thats my point
02:42 MinceR; there must be so many things already broken in there
02:42 MinceR; some of them intentionally
02:42 DaemonFC; http://toastytech.com/guis/adesk12.html
02:42 highest_cubist_thrills; right, but, the outcome of that is
02:42 TR Bot; Apple II Desktop 1.2 Prealpha
02:42 highest_cubist_thrills; arch is never completely integrated with anything
02:43 DaemonFC; "Modifying it was not easy." Well, it was _possible_, which is not usually the case for proprietary software.
02:43 highest_cubist_thrills; so if you switch to say, another init system
02:43 highest_cubist_thrills; so what? now you have a different init system that also isnt reliable
02:43 MinceR; seems to be integrated with the landfill
02:43 highest_cubist_thrills; no big deal
02:43 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know, ive never used arch btw for very long
02:43 DaemonFC; The worst part of dealing with 6502 assembler is, I'm sure, that since Apple intended it to run directly, they were kind enough to strip the comments.
02:43 MinceR; but i don't know how hard pacman twists your arm if you try to use something heretical
02:44 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/howtos.gmi
02:44 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
02:44 highest_cubist_thrills; there was obarun but "we" talked about what happened ot that
02:44 MinceR; (probably installed by hand, because i doubt they keep in the repos something they deem to be heretical)
02:44 highest_cubist_thrills; pacman is probably the main reason i never spent much time with arch btw
02:44 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-09-12.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-09-12.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:45 highest_cubist_thrills; i doubt they keep in the repos something they deem to be heretica <- in theory at least, aur is the very opposite of what youre saying
02:45 MinceR; i know apt will try to blow up your entire system if you try to get rid of cancerd
02:45 highest_cubist_thrills; in practice, idk
02:45 highest_cubist_thrills; i know apt will try to blow up your entire system if you try to get rid of cancerd <- andys package tool
02:45 MinceR; who would maintain something arch btw users don't believe in in AUR? and how, and why?
02:45 highest_cubist_thrills; andy is the artificial intelligence capable of exploding in red vs blue
02:46 highest_cubist_thrills; who would maintain something arch btw users don't believe in in AUR <- aur is fairly anarchist afaik
02:46 highest_cubist_thrills; i could have this wrong-- if i thought i did, i woudlnt say it
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; if im not wrong, its only a little harder to get something into aur than it is to get something into like...
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; a distribution of puppy linux
02:47 TR News; Feeling Creative gemini://themby.smol.pub/2022-09-12
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; and only a little harder because the packaging system really demands metadata of some kind, while puppy... i mean, its puppy
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; and now that puppy doesnt have the murga forums
02:47 TR News; "This weeks episode of Destination Linux, were going to be discussing ways projects can use on how to make money in Open Source. Then we will be discussing issues with GNOMEs data collection ambitions. Plus, we have our tips/tricks and software picks." https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/destination-linux/dl-294/
02:47 TR Bot; 8 Ways to Make Money with Open Source - Destination Linux - TuxDigital
02:48 highest_cubist_thrills; who knows what will happen to that
02:48 highest_cubist_thrills; puppy has been losing people to things like mx/antix
02:48 highest_cubist_thrills; hardcore fans i mean
02:48 highest_cubist_thrills; it may have a long halflife, but nothing holds the project together
02:48 highest_cubist_thrills; (except github)
02:48 TR News; "I want to publish zines, and rage against the machine..." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1128
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; it will probably outlast gnu of course
02:49 highest_cubist_thrills; i give gnu until 2029 to collapse
02:50 schestowitz[TR]; collapse as in?
02:50 schestowitz[TR]; no users?
02:50 highest_cubist_thrills; collapse as in
02:50 highest_cubist_thrills; no structure
02:50 schestowitz[TR]; github might collapse by then
02:50 schestowitz[TR]; lack of business model
02:50 schestowitz[TR]; and microsoft having many layoffs
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; hoe is skype doing btw
02:51 highest_cubist_thrills; youll still be saying tht in 2029
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; ?
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; how is skype?
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; universal VOIP?\
02:51 highest_cubist_thrills; skype isnt important
02:51 schestowitz[TR]; no? not anymore?
02:51 highest_cubist_thrills; skype was not part of a 20-year-old plan to destroy the free software movement
02:51 highest_cubist_thrills; github is
02:53 highest_cubist_thrills; also, if you had said that the pro-stallman letter would have roughtly twice as many signatures
02:54 highest_cubist_thrills; obviously, you would have been correct
02:54 highest_cubist_thrills; but even so, youd still get that wrong
02:54 highest_cubist_thrills; in two ways
02:54 highest_cubist_thrills; 1. it wasnt a vote, and some of those sigs were from entire orgs-- which doesnt mean you can count every member, thoguh thats not the point either
02:54 highest_cubist_thrills; the fact that its not a vote matters
02:55 highest_cubist_thrills; 2. everyone on that list is still working against us
02:55 highest_cubist_thrills; including the orgs
02:55 *schestowitz[TR] back
02:55 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> github is
02:55 highest_cubist_thrills; its not like they said "shit, we are outnumbered! i guess we LOST"
02:55 schestowitz[TR]; wait, github did not start like this
02:56 MinceR; 13 035047 < schestowitz[TR]> lack of business model
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; in 2014 microsoft thought of buying it
02:56 MinceR; i thought they had a business model
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; it doesnt matter that github didnt start like this
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; but 20 years ago there was no github at all
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; it has been like that since 2014
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; git was getting off the groun
02:56 MinceR; "bleed money but get to have users"
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; right
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; and now see gitLAB
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; they wanted to kill off "stale" projects
02:56 MinceR; those sociopaths will give anything for a chance to call someone their user
02:56 MinceR; MICROS~1, that is
02:56 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft has always been happy to bleed money in exchange for controlling countless people
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; next comes, kill off 'free' accounts
02:56 schestowitz[TR]; and sourcehub went down that route
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> those sociopaths will give anything for a chance to call someone their user <-
02:57 schestowitz[TR]; no changes? no account
02:57 schestowitz[TR]; or pay up
02:57 MinceR; (except, of course, develop a product or service worth using)
02:57 schestowitz[TR]; same for vimeo
02:57 schestowitz[TR]; maybe gulagtube will be next
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; sourcehub didnt have enough critical mass
02:57 schestowitz[TR]; turns out ina rotting economy you cannot justify losing BILLIONS of dollars FOREVER
02:57 MinceR; that's fine, humanity won't be around forever
02:57 highest_cubist_thrills; saying that github will fail because sourcehub did, is a lot like saying windows will fail, because dos did
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; nor will cats
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean windows will fail-- eventually
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; no
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; it is failing
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; it's a process
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; you can meausre it
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; it won't happen overnight
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; but that has nothing to do woth dos, and github has nothing to do with sourcehub
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft-bribed media won't mention the process
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> it is failing <- oh yes
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; of course it is
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; github still LOSES money
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; there is no business model
02:58 highest_cubist_thrills; just like the coup
02:58 schestowitz[TR]; not a viable one
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; start charging users, they flee
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 68.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 179.70
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; microsoft tries using skype and linkedi to kickstart stuff
02:59 highest_cubist_thrills; you dont understand how corporate subsidising works at all
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; like teams
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; "for business"
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; minecraft is ssjust an attempt to keep kids off other platforms
02:59 highest_cubist_thrills; subsidies arent profitable the same way other things are
02:59 highest_cubist_thrills; but you judge their effectiveness based on the usual rules
02:59 highest_cubist_thrills; which is honestly stupid
02:59 schestowitz[TR]; and the whole "we must control games" spiel, wherein they tell you linux "bad" "cox games"
03:00 highest_cubist_thrills; subsidies are profitable
03:00 schestowitz[TR]; *coz
03:00 highest_cubist_thrills; but not in the same way as other things
03:00 schestowitz[TR]; they need to show a turnaround though
03:00 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> minecraft is ssjust an attempt to keep kids off other platforms <- so is github
03:00 schestowitz[TR]; mitchell did an article about it in techjrights
03:00 highest_cubist_thrills; so is windows
03:00 schestowitz[TR]; azure is not showing return
03:00 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah
03:00 schestowitz[TR]; so they hide the financial side
03:00 schestowitz[TR]; or blend it with many unrelated things
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft has a mountain of handwavey bullshit
03:01 schestowitz[TR]; right
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; which they rebrand every 5-10 years
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; which is now called azure
03:01 schestowitz[TR]; brb coiffee rready
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; and it never turns a profit
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; and they always lie
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; and then they rebrand it
03:01 highest_cubist_thrills; thats microsoft
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; but you call that failuer
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; and i call it microsoft
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; if it was failure, why are they still doing it
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; because its microsoft
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; and failure is their #1 product
03:02 highest_cubist_thrills; and theyre doing fine, sadly
03:03 highest_cubist_thrills; until you figure that out, youre always going to get microsoft wrong
03:03 highest_cubist_thrills; and people who believe your take will also get it wrong
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03:06 highest_cubist_thrills; starstreak https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qM_r-cJ-JZI
03:06 TR Bot; Mike Love "Babylon Control" - Invidious
03:07 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, microsoft uses ubuntu for WSL
03:07 highest_cubist_thrills; i know, its horrible
03:07 schestowitz[TR]; ?
03:07 schestowitz[TR]; WSL is not just Ubuntu
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; WSL is WIndows
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; with some junk thrown on it
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; like a poorly done VM
03:08 highest_cubist_thrills; ubuntu = junk
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; WSL is obsolete
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; there is NO PURPOSE for it
03:08 highest_cubist_thrills; so is windows
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; the only dif is
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; virtualbox and iso takes longer
03:08 highest_cubist_thrills; yo dawg, we herd you like junk
03:08 schestowitz[TR]; then MS/Windows "store"
03:09 schestowitz[TR]; WSL will die in a year
03:09 schestowitz[TR]; or 5
03:09 highest_cubist_thrills; or 10
03:09 highest_cubist_thrills; (probably less than 10)
03:09 highest_cubist_thrills; or 20!
03:09 schestowitz[TR]; we hypothetise maybe they partly killed it already
03:09 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]how is skype?
03:09 schestowitz[TR]; as part of the latest wave of layoffs
03:09 schestowitz[TR]; about 18000 fired
03:09 DaemonFC; I haven't had anyone ask me to use it in about 10 years.
03:09 highest_cubist_thrills; failure is their #1 product
03:09 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: exactly
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; the mnedia... silent
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; like fig says, the "big story" is there
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; but ignored
03:10 highest_cubist_thrills; the media is worthless
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; we constantly write about the demise of Windows
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; seems like a big story, no?
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; media pretends it never happened
03:10 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 98383 total Total number of pages in capsule: 42563 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 1 months 9 days ago
03:10 schestowitz[TR]; if windows fell to 10% market sharem,
03:11 schestowitz[TR]; there would STILL be not single press article discussing it
03:11 highest_cubist_thrills; thats because theres no line left
03:11 schestowitz[TR]; but ten article about outsourcing to gothub
03:11 schestowitz[TR]; like FB today
03:11 highest_cubist_thrills; between media and marketing
03:11 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre the same thing
03:11 schestowitz[TR]; *ten articcles
03:11 schestowitz[TR]; yes, PR took over news sites
03:11 highest_cubist_thrills; like 100 years ago when you would get pcmag
03:11 schestowitz[TR]; and it looks accordingly shallow
03:11 schestowitz[TR]; IT Jungle is just 100% IBM propaganda
03:11 highest_cubist_thrills; and it was the better part of an inch thick
03:11 highest_cubist_thrills; and half of it was ads
03:11 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 33 GB TotalOut: 8.9 GB
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; and they don't disclosure that
03:12 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the media
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; Mitchell (MS WBer) points out the largest expense at Microsoft is media
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; buying the media
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; to "look big"!
03:12 highest_cubist_thrills; wber?
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; whistlewblowe
03:12 highest_cubist_thrills; /me nods
03:12 schestowitz[TR]; rI can find the articles
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03:12 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:13 highest_cubist_thrills; ive already read him
03:13 schestowitz[TR]; (less typos)
03:13 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah its funny how posture affects typographic quality
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03:13 highest_cubist_thrills; when im too relaxed it goes right to shit
03:14 highest_cubist_thrills; not that being overexcited helps either
03:14 DaemonFC_; WHOA
03:14 highest_cubist_thrills; good posture means your fingers are over the right keys
03:14 schestowitz[TR]; the anti-RMS people... still ignore worse from Microsoft
03:14 highest_cubist_thrills; if yorue too relaxed, who know where the fuck they are
03:14 highest_cubist_thrills; the anti-RMS people... still ignore worse from Microsoft <- they dont care about freedom
03:15 schestowitz[TR]; or ethics
03:15 highest_cubist_thrills; or ethics
03:15 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the state of free software
03:15 highest_cubist_thrills; it wasnt in the speech
03:15 schestowitz[TR]; nor does th e media
03:15 schestowitz[TR]; "me too"
03:15 highest_cubist_thrills; the media is useless
03:15 schestowitz[TR]; only when it suits them
03:15 highest_cubist_thrills; its just marketing
03:15 schestowitz[TR]; panama papers
03:15 schestowitz[TR]; only when it shames "official enemies"
03:15 schestowitz[TR]; not people like gates
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; heree is an example
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; a story the media turned down
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; about microsoft SERIAL STRANGLER
03:16 *DaemonFC_ is now known as DaemonFC
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; or women
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; where was mjg59_ ?
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:17] <schestowitz> zemlin deleted all his tweets
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:17] <schestowitz> I wrote about it xxxx
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:17] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/jim-zemlin-cancels-himself/
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:18] <schestowitz> seems to have sent 'Linux' Foundation into panic mode
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:18] <schestowitz> later in the same day and day after
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:18] <schestowitz> Zemlin made a public statement
03:16 TR Bot; Jim Zemlin Has Deleted All of His Tweets | Techrights
03:16 highest_cubist_thrills; thats not useful to marketing
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:18] <schestowitz> very unusual for him
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:18] <schestowitz> same day: http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/linux-foundation-irs/
03:16 TR Bot; No Linux Foundation IRS Disclosures Since 2018 | Techrights
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:19] <Source> Yeah I don't really have too much of a horse in that race
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:20] <Source> I kind of care I just don't really know enough[03:25] <Source> Yeah I can't really follow what zemlin did wrong[03:25] <schestowitz> try the wiki
03:16 DaemonFC; I just had my first total system crash in 16 years.
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:25] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation#December_2021
03:16 TR Bot; Linux Foundation - Techrights
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:28] <Source> Sorry I lost you again[03:28] <Source> [21:27:55] xxxx: I'm trying to get the police report for arrest he "might" have spent multiple days in jail
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:28] <schestowitz> is that you to me?
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:29] <schestowitz> or something else?
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:29] <Source> Apparently it takes 13 days after the arrest to get the pictures
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:29] <Source> I sent that to you
03:16 DaemonFC; Things started getting really flaky when I started an Android runtime in Flatpak.
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:29] <Source> Alex may have spent multiple days in jail
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:29] <Source> We don't have the police report yet for the arrest
03:16 schestowitz[TR]; [03:30] <Source> My understanding is that if someone spent multiple days in jail it either means they couldn't afford bail
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; [03:30] <Source> Unlikely it was only like $25k[03:30] <Source> 10% down if you use a bails bondsman[03:30] <Source> The other reason to spend multiple days in jail is resisting arrest[03:31] <schestowitz> I see
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; [03:31] <Source> https://www.austintexas.gov/police/mug_shots/index.cfm
03:17 TR Bot; Booking Photo Database Search | AustinTexas.gov
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; [03:31] <Source> It says they post mugshots 13 days after arrest[03:32] <schestowitz> [03:28] <Source> [21:27:55] xxxxxx: I'm trying to get the police report for arrest he "might" have spent multiple days in jail
03:17 highest_cubist_thrills; ifhonestly
03:17 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]where was mjg59_ ?
03:17 highest_cubist_thrills; alex gravely could literally kill half a dozen people
03:17 highest_cubist_thrills; it wouldnt affect github
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
03:17 DaemonFC; In the bathroom at the open source conference making sure he wasn't "missing out".
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; and he would keep his job
03:17 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; protected by ther microsoft mole inside the LF board
03:17 highest_cubist_thrills; but it woudlnt affect github
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; she is still there too, btw
03:18 highest_cubist_thrills; the linux farce
03:18 highest_cubist_thrills; the linux fabrication
03:18 highest_cubist_thrills; gotta save farce for christine
03:18 highest_cubist_thrills; fossfarce
03:19 schestowitz[TR]; rms, begone -- MICROSOFT github pettiionb
03:19 highest_cubist_thrills; by antichristine and brusque bilefield
03:19 schestowitz[TR]; signed by http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
03:19 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2]: Don't miss out now.
03:19 TR Bot; Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett | Techrights
03:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
03:20 schestowitz[TR]; petition managed by elana hamasman from azure http://techrights.org/2022/08/19/elana-hashman-cancel-culture/
03:20 TR Bot; IBM/Azures Elana Hashman, Only Two Months After Starting a Campaign to Delete RMS, Said Israel Should Not Exist | Techrights
03:20 highest_cubist_thrills; auntie christine
03:21 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> the linux farce
03:21 schestowitz[TR]; <highest_cubist_thrills> the linux fabrication
03:21 schestowitz[TR]; go to foss force
03:21 schestowitz[TR]; ANY page
03:21 schestowitz[TR]; watch the LF ads
03:21 schestowitz[TR]; you might say,
03:21 schestowitz[TR]; OK, so fossforce takes money to shill an LF disploma mill
03:21 schestowitz[TR]; but it's worse
03:21 schestowitz[TR]; because christine knows what they ae
03:21 schestowitz[TR]; but sold out, regardless
03:22 schestowitz[TR]; BRUCE BYFIELD
03:22 schestowitz[TR]; https://fossforce.com/2020/01/can-the-linux-foundation-speak-for-free-software/
03:22 TR Bot; Can the Linux Foundation Speak for Free Software? - FOSS Force
03:22 schestowitz[TR]; https://fossforce.com/2016/01/linux-foundation-sells-out-brave-new-browser-more/
03:22 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Sells Out, Brave New Browser & More - FOSS Force
03:22 schestowitz[TR]; go to this page
03:22 schestowitz[TR]; now watch the LF ads all oveer it
03:22 highest_cubist_thrills; https://fossforce.com/2020/01/can-the-linux-foundation-speak-for-free-software/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines
03:22 TR Bot; Betteridge's law of headlines - Wikipedia
03:22 schestowitz[TR]; so LF sold out, says the page
03:23 schestowitz[TR]; ina site that itself sold out
03:23 schestowitz[TR]; amazing
03:23 schestowitz[TR]; https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/39546.html
03:23 highest_cubist_thrills; hypocrisy is what all of this is based on
03:23 highest_cubist_thrills; so, yeah
03:23 TR Bot; mjg59 | Linux Foundation quietly drops community representation
03:23 highest_cubist_thrills; if you simply throw phanes and mjg into a fly chamber
03:23 highest_cubist_thrills; both will suicide for what they believe is the better good
03:24 schestowitz[TR]; m by Bruce Byfield
03:24 highest_cubist_thrills; now, this isnt fair to phanes
03:24 schestowitz[TR]; https://thenewstack.io/linux-foundation-critics/
03:24 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation and Its Critics - The New Stack
03:24 schestowitz[TR]; https://fossforce.com/2017/04/lin-desktop-linux-gpl-openness/
03:24 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation: Not a Friend of Desktop Linux, the GPL, or Openness - FOSS Force
03:24 schestowitz[TR]; with LF ads all over the page
03:24 schestowitz[TR]; I call this sellout
03:24 highest_cubist_thrills; but until we get a fly chamber its pretty moot anyway
03:24 schestowitz[TR]; when you become a shill fo what you know to be corrupt
03:24 schestowitz[TR]; because ytou are paid to do it
03:25 schestowitz[TR]; "In 2008, I was asked to attend the (by invitation only), Linux Collaboration Summit in Austin Texas. Since I am local to Austin and my head swelled X 10 by receiving this invite, I rounded up one of our non profit Directors and we pushed our way through the front door, into Mecca, as far as I was concerned.
03:25 schestowitz[TR]; "
03:25 schestowitz[TR]; -ken starks
03:25 highest_cubist_thrills; In 2008, I was asked to attend the (by invitation only)
03:25 highest_cubist_thrills; make selling out seem like an exclusive opportunity
03:26 highest_cubist_thrills; /me pictures github and microsoft people standing around like theyre cool
03:26 schestowitz[TR]; marcia was banned form their event
03:26 schestowitz[TR]; for not shining the shoes of GAFAM
03:26 highest_cubist_thrills; shes probably banned from lieplanet too
03:26 schestowitz[TR]; like jono bacon had done
03:26 schestowitz[TR]; that's LF in a nutshell
03:26 schestowitz[TR]; they are like mundie
03:26 schestowitz[TR]; in the elevator
03:26 schestowitz[TR]; "I'm your worsst nighmare"
03:26 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2]: Mostly Beavis & Butt-Head Do the Universe was meh, but the part where they wander into a liberal college where a professor is explaining White Privilege was pretty funny. She gives them the idea that because they're white and male they can do whatever they want and nobody will ever stop them and they'll have no trouble with the police, so they immediately go on a crime...
03:26 DaemonFC; ...spree that ends in wrecking a police car, nearly get shot by the cops, get arrested, and get thrown in jail, all over the next 10 minutes.
03:27 highest_cubist_thrills; eric s rambo
03:27 DaemonFC; I rather enjoyed that one scene.
03:27 schestowitz[TR]; http://web.archive.org/web/20170323185715/https://www.linux.com/blog/learn/chapter/open-source-management/2017/3/5-legal-risks-companies-involved-open-source-software-development
03:27 TR Bot; 5 Legal Risks For Companies Involved in Open Source Software Development | Linux.com | The source for Linux information
03:27 highest_cubist_thrills; "i met richard stallman in an elevator around 1983"
03:27 schestowitz[TR]; anti-GPL
03:27 schestowitz[TR]; from LF
03:27 schestowitz[TR]; funded by Microsoft
03:27 schestowitz[TR]; black Duck
03:27 highest_cubist_thrills; "he told me he was starting an organisation to promote freedom"
03:28 schestowitz[TR]; "Thank you, Christine! Ive been saying it for years. In light of the recent VMware Gold class member situation also, who could ignore all the behavior by the Foundation.
03:28 schestowitz[TR]; "
03:28 highest_cubist_thrills; and i remember he looked at me sort of condescendingly and said 'and what do you do"
03:28 schestowitz[TR]; hey, hold on
03:28 schestowitz[TR]; Christine too sold out to them
03:28 highest_cubist_thrills; "and i gave him a sort of 1000 yard stare and said
03:28 highest_cubist_thrills; "im your best friend"
03:28 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> Christine too sold out to them <- i mean, yeah
03:28 schestowitz[TR]; bought with GAFAM money
03:28 schestowitz[TR]; you can see where LF money comes from
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; you might call it "hush money"
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; defuse critics
03:29 highest_cubist_thrills; if jim had anything to say
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; they did the same to "It's FOSS"
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; Then It's FOSS published their sponsored LF spam into tuxmacines
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; I unpublished it
03:29 highest_cubist_thrills; jim is the proverbial puppy youd be kicking by attacking microsoft
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; Jim is a fraud
03:29 highest_cubist_thrills; christine is a cat
03:29 schestowitz[TR]; so is the wife
03:29 highest_cubist_thrills; if christine sees bill gates sitting on a toilet
03:30 schestowitz[TR]; the piillow talk might be lol'ing over how to defraud people
03:30 highest_cubist_thrills; she says "ugh, you shit where you drink?"
03:30 schestowitz[TR]; and how easy it is to get away with it
03:30 highest_cubist_thrills; and jim zemlin says
03:30 highest_cubist_thrills; "WOW! YOU CAN DRINK WITH YOUR ARSE?"
03:30 schestowitz[TR]; because you are protected by a wall of corporate lawyers
03:30 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/jim-admires-bill/
03:30 TR Bot; Sheela Microsoft (Zemlin) Does Not Like Linux and Jim Zemlin Idolises Bill Gates | Techrights
03:38 *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights
03:38 schestowitz[TR]; btw, rianne moved her sbc over to microsd yesterday
03:38 schestowitz[TR]; a lot faster now
03:38 schestowitz[TR]; but at risk of breaking
03:38 schestowitz[TR]; there is a backup/fallover though
03:39 highest_cubist_thrills; is betteridge's law of headlines correct? | matslina <- lol
03:40 schestowitz[TR]; remains an enigma why usb is slow slow for both of us to run off of
03:40 schestowitz[TR]; let's see how fast firefox runs over ssh -X
03:40 schestowitz[TR]; on an 'old' machine
03:41 highest_cubist_thrills; remains an enigma why usb is slow slow for both of us to run off <- i mean
03:42 highest_cubist_thrills; you have the usb controller, the interface on the drive enclusure, the drive itself, the quality and bandwidth of the cable
03:42 TR News; Links 12/09/2022: New in KDE Plasma 5.26, Istio Has New Releases | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/12/istio-has-new-releases/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/12/istio-has-new-releases/
03:42 TR Bot; Links 12/09/2022: New in KDE Plasma 5.26, Istio Has New Releases | Techrights
03:42 highest_cubist_thrills; plus the drivers
03:42 DaemonFC; mjg59_: is so full of shit it's flowing out of his ears. But that's just the social justice crap.
03:42 DaemonFC; He knows he's an idiot on some level I'm sure.
03:42 highest_cubist_thrills; any of those could be the bottleneck
03:42 highest_cubist_thrills; as well as the filesystem itself
03:43 DaemonFC; He can't possibly think that the cops are like, out there tripping over themselves to bring in White people alive or go easy on them to avoid tricking them into false confessions that will send them to prison.
03:43 DaemonFC; If he does think that, I can let him interview me about the police sometime.
03:44 DaemonFC; I think it would be an opportunity to shine some light on how wrong he's been.
03:44 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2]: I had a talk with my doctor about 988 and mental health and the police today.
03:45 DaemonFC; She asked if I ever felt suicidal. I said, "In a general sense, quite a lot of the time, actually. But that's been going on forever now.".
03:45 schestowitz[TR]; you will be OK
03:45 schestowitz[TR]; be ok to mandy, he will lookm after you
03:45 highest_cubist_thrills; Behdad Esfahbod, developer of HarfBuzz HarfBuzz evolved from code that was originally part of the FreeType project
03:45 DaemonFC; She says, "You can call 988 if you need help with that.". I immediately said, "I would never call them. They dox people and send the police out to shoot them.".
03:45 DaemonFC; She opens her eyes and so does the student.
03:46 schestowitz[TR]; yeah, it's like CIA in Pakistan
03:46 DaemonFC; "What do you mean they come out and shoot you?"
03:46 schestowitz[TR]; with polio vaccines
03:46 schestowitz[TR]; they used that to pick up DNA samples
03:46 schestowitz[TR]; and then pakinstanis started killing doctors
03:46 schestowitz[TR]; assuming all of them were just CIA assets
03:46 schestowitz[TR]; with surveillance campitalism people think twice before seeking advice
03:46 schestowitz[TR]; as they assume no confidentiality
03:46 DaemonFC; I said, "Oh someone hasn't read the news. Like that guy up in Michigan. Totally unarmed. Mom calls the cops to do a wellness check on her son, and they go in there and shoot him, execution style. I don't trust the police. I don't answer their questions even if they've only pulled me over for speeding.".
03:47 schestowitz[TR]; and the psycho*s enter data into a Windows machine
03:47 highest_cubist_thrills; /me has no idea what roy is on about
03:47 highest_cubist_thrills; github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/issues/2804
03:47 highest_cubist_thrills; Harfbuzz has started trying to render emoji variation selectors #2804. Closed kovidgoyal opened this issue Jan 5, 2021
03:47 schestowitz[TR]; probably sending the data to "the clown"
03:47 DaemonFC; "Name, rank, and serial number. Anything more, talk to my attorney."
03:47 schestowitz[TR]; god knows what happens to data on "the clown"
03:47 schestowitz[TR]; or what the psych*s write about you
03:47 schestowitz[TR]; there is a seinfeld episoe about it
03:47 schestowitz[TR]; you wan tto know what the doc types abouy uou
03:47 schestowitz[TR]; and as you confront them they add more
03:47 schestowitz[TR]; and don't tell you
03:48 DaemonFC; I said that I don't trust the police and don't answer police questions.
03:48 schestowitz[TR]; right
03:48 schestowitz[TR]; don't engage with them
03:48 schestowitz[TR]; they are always right
03:48 DaemonFC; I said if I felt actively suicidal I would take myself somewhere for treatment, but I would not call the cops.
03:48 schestowitz[TR]; and you are only right wqhen it suits them
03:48 schestowitz[TR]; when it proves them right
03:48 schestowitz[TR]; and did I mention they are deceitful and violent?
03:49 DaemonFC; The last thing you should do is call the police. Or call 988, because 2% of the time they call the police.
03:49 highest_cubist_thrills; doctors?
03:49 highest_cubist_thrills; At this time Qt ships with its own copy of HarfBuzz which is identical to the upstream HarfBuzz. Pango ships with its own copy also, but only uses the layout engine, and not the HarfBuzz shapers. Since 2008 the author has been working on rewriting the layout engine to be more robust and use mmap()ed fonts efficiently
03:49 highest_cubist_thrills; attack surface
03:49 DaemonFC; So you're playing Russian Roulette as to whether the cops come out after you, and again on whether they just kill you while they're out there.
03:49 schestowitz[TR]; not sure about UK
03:49 DaemonFC; You called and said you wanted to die.
03:49 schestowitz[TR]; but in the US, psych*s became informants
03:49 DaemonFC; Okay buddy, here it is.
03:49 schestowitz[TR]; for employers, pol,ice, gov
03:50 schestowitz[TR]; and later cops and psych*s wonder why people don't trust them enough
03:50 DaemonFC; If you actually want to die, call 988 and they might arrange a suicide by cop for you.
03:50 highest_cubist_thrills; patriot act = no more ethical doctors
03:50 highest_cubist_thrills; oops, we fucked up!
03:50 DaemonFC; You never know. The police are there to deal with CRIMINALS not the mentally ill.
03:50 DaemonFC; They get training that's more like what a soldier does than a psychologist.
03:50 schestowitz[TR]; hmmm... firefox can run surprisingly ok over LAN on another machine
03:50 schestowitz[TR]; I expected more lag
03:51 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> not sure about UK <- its the same
03:51 schestowitz[TR]; there obv. would be latecy if you tried playing videos
03:51 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> I expected more lag <- wwwhhheeeennnn dooo yyyyyyoooo sttttaarrrttt tyyyyyypiiiinnngg liiiikkeeeee thiiiiiissssss
03:52 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2]: The United Nations says that the United States violates the human rights of mentally ill people. They didn't name names, but like, they said that "forced mental health treatment" is a human rights violation.
03:52 schestowitz[TR]; it's the same with internal WBVer mechanismss
03:52 schestowitz[TR]; if you use them, they flag you
03:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i know thats a different application, i just assumed your network is swamped now
03:52 DaemonFC; The US has "forced mental health".
03:52 schestowitz[TR]; snowden learned this from prior nsa WBers
03:52 schestowitz[TR]; and their court cases
03:52 schestowitz[TR]; better not get flagged
03:52 schestowitz[TR]; test the waters
03:52 DaemonFC; If you tell a psychiatrist you want to kill yourself, you get forcibly committed for not less than 72 hours.
03:52 schestowitz[TR]; then go directly to the press
03:52 DaemonFC; And as long as they want you there.
03:52 schestowitz[TR]; same with cops andpsych*s
03:53 schestowitz[TR]; better call family or friends
03:53 schestowitz[TR]; they mioght say,
03:53 schestowitz[TR]; "son, I want you to get professional help"
03:53 schestowitz[TR]; but they won't phone
03:53 DaemonFC; I don't think people should be forcibly committed. I actually think a lot of people should get help committing suicide if that's what they really want.
03:53 schestowitz[TR]; (not based on personal experience btw)
03:53 DaemonFC; Because if they do it themselves, it's going to be fucking ugly, and it may ruin a lot of people's day.
03:53 schestowitz[TR]; a circle of confidants is better
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; a german friednd of mine ran in front of a bus
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; after some girl had turned him down, rejected him
03:54 DaemonFC; Yes, that's what I'm saying.
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; we spent all night with her
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; *him
03:54 DaemonFC; He walks in front of a bus. Messy.
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; and he felt better
03:54 DaemonFC; Other people traumatized.
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; cried a lot, told stories, opened up
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; noi need for shrinks
03:54 DaemonFC; He's dead. There's a mess to clean up.
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; shared with friends
03:54 highest_cubist_thrills; :)
03:54 schestowitz[TR]; his dad abused him a lot
03:54 DaemonFC; What's changed besides the fact that it turns into a bad day all around?
03:55 schestowitz[TR]; no record of what happened
03:55 schestowitz[TR]; or his name for that matter
03:55 DaemonFC; You can only cry so much.
03:55 highest_cubist_thrills; im pretty sure there are still some people who need medication
03:55 highest_cubist_thrills; if you know any circle of friends that can provide that
03:55 schestowitz[TR]; he suffered a breakdown because of that spanish gal
03:56 DaemonFC; It's not medication as much as it is a chemical restraint.
03:56 schestowitz[TR]; so it was partly temporary
03:56 DaemonFC; I don't think it was just that.
03:56 highest_cubist_thrills; its not an industry im largely sympathetic to
03:56 highest_cubist_thrills; but im pretty sure at least a few people need it
03:56 DaemonFC; That might have been the last straw.
03:56 schestowitz[TR]; no need for meds
03:56 schestowitz[TR]; they can worsen things
03:56 schestowitz[TR]; he suffered rejection
03:56 highest_cubist_thrills; yes they often do worsen things
03:56 DaemonFC; I've had thoughts like that before. Constant rejection.
03:56 DaemonFC; I makes you bitter.
03:56 schestowitz[TR]; he said to us
03:56 schestowitz[TR]; "I'm taking the next bus"
03:57 highest_cubist_thrills; im trying to figure out if youre saying your friend didnt need meds
03:57 highest_cubist_thrills; or no one does
03:57 schestowitz[TR]; then ran in front of one
03:57 DaemonFC; "Catching the bus" is a suicide euphemism.
03:57 DaemonFC; I used to be a member of that Alt.Suicide.Holiday and Alt.Suicide.Bus.Stop group.
03:57 DaemonFC; They had an IRC server for years.
03:57 schestowitz[TR]; way to signal he wanted help
03:57 schestowitz[TR]; thew bus did not go fast enough
03:58 highest_cubist_thrills; lucky he didnt use a train
03:58 schestowitz[TR]; they are fenced here
03:58 DaemonFC; Yeah, I've had that thought.
03:58 schestowitz[TR]; for this reason I reckon
03:58 schestowitz[TR]; or terror attacks
03:58 highest_cubist_thrills; surely
03:58 DaemonFC; Oh, they're not fenced here and they get up to about 80 miles an hour in some places.
03:58 schestowitz[TR]; but a determined person can leap past them, many ways
03:58 highest_cubist_thrills; i think terrorists know how to breach fences
03:58 DaemonFC; You have a Metra train doing 80, you're done.
03:58 schestowitz[TR]; suicide by fall is a lot easier tbh
03:58 DaemonFC; That's how the CEO of Metra killed himself.
03:58 highest_cubist_thrills; they should make a booklet
03:59 highest_cubist_thrills; "easist ways to kill yourself"
03:59 schestowitz[TR]; someone from EPO jumped into the subway years ago
03:59 DaemonFC; There are some books like that.
03:59 schestowitz[TR]; after his holiday
03:59 highest_cubist_thrills; "a lot of people jump in front of busses, but this is unreliable"
03:59 DaemonFC; They're illegal in some countries.
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.41 k/sec., IPFS upstream 83.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 181.81
03:59 highest_cubist_thrills; "trains are fenced in but a determined person can get past that"
03:59 DaemonFC; In others, they open you up to wrongful death lawsuits by family members.
04:00 schestowitz[TR]; a few weeks ago I saw a photo of him
04:00 schestowitz[TR]; when going through old albums
04:00 highest_cubist_thrills; /me still believes there are people (however few) that cannot function without medication
04:00 highest_cubist_thrills; i hope its only 12
04:00 highest_cubist_thrills; but its at least 12
04:00 schestowitz[TR]; (brb)
04:01 highest_cubist_thrills; techrights.org/2020/08/13/harfbuzz-microsoft/
04:01 highest_cubist_thrills; The name "Harfbuzz" is based on a translation of the phrase "OpenFont". Its lead author is Behdad Esfahbod, who is also the lead dev of Pango the GNOME thingy that (typically) makes text happen. I don't know (or very much care) about the finer details about that, I know that my Gtk applications refuse to run without it.
04:01 highest_cubist_thrills; i thought it was a translation of "fuck yo couch"
04:02 DaemonFC; I don't know why the IRC server went away, but it's probably just as well that it did.
04:03 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5DoynGDYRoM
04:03 DaemonFC; It got depressing to meet people and then they were gone.
04:03 TR Bot; The Real Rules About Medicine in Scientology - Invidious
04:03 schestowitz[TR]; maybe legal issues
04:03 schestowitz[TR]; I'd imagine
04:03 schestowitz[TR]; there are some possible liabilities
04:03 schestowitz[TR]; like, if you give bad advice
04:03 schestowitz[TR]; and then the family finds out
04:04 schestowitz[TR]; https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=techrights
04:04 TR Bot; NO TITLE
04:04 schestowitz[TR]; over 500 networks of size >50 at one point https://netsplit.de/networks/
04:04 TR Bot; NO TITLE
04:04 schestowitz[TR]; it used to be 400+
04:04 schestowitz[TR]; IRC is still steady
04:05 schestowitz[TR]; while social control media is collapsing
04:05 schestowitz[TR]; BTW
04:05 schestowitz[TR]; re FB
04:05 schestowitz[TR]; I read yesterday they lay off more peopl
04:05 schestowitz[TR]; apparently their VR ambitions (aka "METAverse) is floundering already
04:05 DaemonFC; I doubt anyone ever expected that to work.
04:06 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, September 12, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
04:06 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
04:06 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: it was vapourware
04:06 schestowitz[TR]; 1) distract from the WBer (Francis
04:06 schestowitz[TR]; 2) change company name
04:06 schestowitz[TR]; 3) tell some BS to shareholders
04:06 schestowitz[TR]; 4) try to compensate for loss of users
04:06 schestowitz[TR]; tbh, don't know what FBInstagram and WhatApp see in terms of # of users
04:07 schestowitz[TR]; we just know that for quite a few now FB lost active users
04:07 schestowitz[TR]; and then tried to expand in the global south
04:07 schestowitz[TR]; to make up for the losses
04:07 schestowitz[TR]; to artificially inflate numbers
04:07 schestowitz[TR]; Twitter did that with bots
04:07 schestowitz[TR]; and algorithks that steer you into busy "tweets"
04:07 schestowitz[TR]; and won't let you see all the hidden/abandoned stuff
04:07 schestowitz[TR]; upcycling "Trafic"
04:07 schestowitz[TR]; foir "enegagement";
04:08 schestowitz[TR]; while screwing all the original users
04:08 schestowitz[TR]; toi impress shareholders
04:08 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:08 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
04:09 schestowitz[TR]; gosh, mozills killed off so many useful firefox extensions
04:09 schestowitz[TR]; not just thunderbird ones
04:09 schestowitz[TR]; "unified" experience my a**
04:09 schestowitz[TR]; they ruin what was good about these
04:09 schestowitz[TR]; them(e)ing has been reduced to shitty top bar
04:10 schestowitz[TR]; you used to be able to control the whole thing
04:10 schestowitz[TR]; menus, menu items, scroll bars..
04:10 schestowitz[TR]; it was like the 'emacs of browsers'
04:10 DaemonFC; SeaMonkey clanks and clunks because the Web is shit.
04:11 schestowitz[TR]; yes, here si the thing
04:11 DaemonFC; But most of the Web sites that fail are hardly worth using anyway.
04:11 schestowitz[TR]; it might sound corny
04:11 schestowitz[TR]; the web is the browser
04:11 schestowitz[TR]; the browsers are the web
04:11 schestowitz[TR]; they are pairs
04:11 schestowitz[TR]; client/host
04:11 schestowitz[TR]; sender/receiver
04:11 schestowitz[TR]; renderer/transmitter
04:11 schestowitz[TR]; so as browsers get bloated
04:11 schestowitz[TR]; so do the sites
04:11 schestowitz[TR]; and the w3c 'standards' just catchn up
04:11 DaemonFC; I overheard some chatter that the latest SeaMonkey patches will deal with YouTube better.
04:12 schestowitz[TR]; with what browsers alreadt implement or implemented
04:12 DaemonFC; But thanks to sites like these, you're basically just tending to the corpse.
04:12 schestowitz[TR]; read: chrome
04:12 highest_cubist_thrills; the web is the browser | the browsers are the web <- close enough
04:12 schestowitz[TR]; as so many browsers are not branched off that
04:12 highest_cubist_thrills; and theyre both shit
04:12 schestowitz[TR]; so www just becamne "the chrome language"
04:12 schestowitz[TR]; mozills is like a lame arse imitation
04:12 schestowitz[TR]; witj gecko
04:12 highest_cubist_thrills; not historically, but
04:12 schestowitz[TR]; giving you illusion you are not left out
04:13 highest_cubist_thrills; in a sense, sort of
04:13 schestowitz[TR]; "we made the doors wide... for wheelchair"
04:13 highest_cubist_thrills; /me would like to be left out of the web
04:13 schestowitz[TR]; "enven disabled people can compete"
04:13 schestowitz[TR]; (but they don't stand a chance in the REAL olympics"
04:13 schestowitz[TR]; mozilla became disabled person
04:13 schestowitz[TR]; aproppos
04:14 highest_cubist_thrills; /me give the metaphor a wheelchair
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; https://blog.mozilla.org/en/interviews/keah-brown-disabled-and-cute-hashtag/
04:14 TR Bot; The childrens book author behind #disabledandcute on her favorite corners of the internet
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; #disabledandcute
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; welcome to the new mozilla
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; #disabledandcute
04:14 highest_cubist_thrills; mozilla isnt cute
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; they also did a podcast about covid yesterday
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; yes, covid
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; what the f**rk?
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; mozilla..., covid company
04:14 highest_cubist_thrills; is that the name of their new rendering engine?
04:14 schestowitz[TR]; liek FL
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; LF = vaccines
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2021/06/14/vaccine-spam-in-linux-news/
04:15 TR Bot; Conveniently Conflating Vaccination With the Surveillance Business of IBM/Linux Foundation | Techrights
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; mozilla is cute
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; but it's no blink
04:15 highest_cubist_thrills; once an organisation (osi, osfsf, mossilla) stops standing for a cause
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; and no chromium
04:15 schestowitz[TR]; but it's "cute"
04:16 schestowitz[TR]; you can avoid gulag
04:16 highest_cubist_thrills; all thats left is a lot of attention wrhoring for donations / sponsors / pageviews
04:16 schestowitz[TR]; no, you can't
04:16 schestowitz[TR]; mozills is controlled by the same bosses
04:16 schestowitz[TR]; and worse: http://techrights.org/2022/09/10/mozilla-three-letter-agencies/
04:16 TR Bot; Mozilla Hired Top-Level Managers Directly From the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Can They Be Trusted on Privacy? | Techrights
04:16 schestowitz[TR]; sounds like conspiracy BS, but it's factual
04:16 *schestowitz[TR] donates to mozilla
04:17 schestowitz[TR]; lately rianne has been donating to elphant charties several times per week./ maybe she should donate to moz for librewolf ^_^
04:17 schestowitz[TR]; or just donate directly to librewolf
04:17 schestowitz[TR]; mozilla takes a load of money for spying
04:18 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe librewolf should change its name to librelephant
04:18 schestowitz[TR]; and then asks us, the products, for donations
04:18 highest_cubist_thrills; mozilla is a scam
04:18 schestowitz[TR]; the money lands in some yuppie's accoutn http://techrights.org/2022/07/07/baker-salaries/
04:18 TR Bot; This Month Mozilla Firefox Reached Its Lowest Share (Just 3%), But CEO Baker Made a Fortune (Especially When Mozilla Sank) | Techrights
04:18 schestowitz[TR]; a yuppie who could never program
04:18 highest_cubist_thrills; but she does have expensive hair
04:18 highest_cubist_thrills; unlike some fucking hippies
04:19 schestowitz[TR]; the hair is a distraction
04:19 highest_cubist_thrills; i was sure it was in the mission statement
04:19 schestowitz[TR]; she would likely loook like Sinad O'Connor if she shaved it off
04:19 highest_cubist_thrills; seriously, the hair is an integral issue
04:19 schestowitz[TR]; https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Mitchell_Baker.jpg/220px-Mitchell_Baker.jpg
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04:20 schestowitz[TR]; 17 years ago
04:20 schestowitz[TR]; I can imagine her looks now
04:20 highest_cubist_thrills; i just picture eva braun
04:20 schestowitz[TR]; 2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#/media/File:Mitchell_Baker-20081018.jpg
04:20 TR Bot; Mitchell Baker - Wikipedia
04:20 schestowitz[TR]; looks male
04:21 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.incimages.com/uploaded_files/image/1920x1080/feature-104-mozilla-pan_7395.jpg
04:21 schestowitz[TR]; she tried modelling the hair after firefox
04:21 schestowitz[TR]; or vice versa?
04:22 schestowitz[TR]; hard to find any recent photos of her
04:22 schestowitz[TR]; she is almost retirement age now
04:22 schestowitz[TR]; 65
04:22 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe shes in her 40s but adopted mozillas versioning
04:22 highest_cubist_thrills; now every few months shes 10 versions older
04:22 schestowitz[TR]; would you retire when you can still milk over $3 million per year from a company you helped kill?
04:23 highest_cubist_thrills; well, im not mitchell baker
04:23 schestowitz[TR]; seems she evaded cameras in recent years
04:23 schestowitz[TR]; hard to find photos from past 10 years
04:24 schestowitz[TR]; I can envision it's a piggyback with red hair, sharped to resembled the latest iteration of the log
04:24 highest_cubist_thrills; how much do the photos matter
04:24 schestowitz[TR]; they keep changing the logo
04:24 schestowitz[TR]; even making it WORSE than prior iterations
04:24 schestowitz[TR]; it's quicker than fixing firefox
04:25 highest_cubist_thrills; i think the fsf has a new logo, but i dont know if its official
04:25 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean
04:25 highest_cubist_thrills; what does official mean at the fsf
04:25 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre a farce
04:25 schestowitz[TR]; and they probably paid some "artistic types" in "|Bay Area" like $100,000 each time they muck about with the "swoosh" logo
04:25 schestowitz[TR]; invoice: we made the colours a bit diffewrent, total bill $100,000
04:25 highest_cubist_thrills; or baker takes 100,000 and hires someone outside the subway for $100 and keeps the rest
04:25 schestowitz[TR]; the new mozilla logo was widely mocked
04:26 schestowitz[TR]; there were much better proposala
04:26 highest_cubist_thrills; lets be fair
04:26 schestowitz[TR]; that the community had submitted
04:26 highest_cubist_thrills; its a stupid project
04:26 schestowitz[TR]; they rejected these
04:26 highest_cubist_thrills; a stupid logo is appropriate
04:26 highest_cubist_thrills; moonchild can say "at least we dont use that fucking logo"
04:26 schestowitz[TR]; https://todaysecommerce.com/web-stories/a-sneak-peek-into-mitchell-bakers-net-worth/
04:26 TR Bot; A Sneak Peek Into Mitchell Baker's Net Worth - Today's Ecommerce
04:26 highest_cubist_thrills; have some javascript
04:27 highest_cubist_thrills; if the economy collapses, maybe she can sell her hair
04:27 schestowitz[TR]; 15 million
04:27 schestowitz[TR]; the number of firefox users in a couple of years
04:27 schestowitz[TR]; and how many dollars she took
04:28 schestowitz[TR]; https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/evolving-the-firefox-brand/
04:28 TR Bot; Evolving the Firefox Brand - Mozilla Open Design
04:28 schestowitz[TR]; https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/now-for-the-fun-part/
04:28 TR Bot; Now for the fun part of Mozilla's logo design. - Mozilla Open Design
04:28 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/30/17631766/firefox-logo-redesign-mozilla-user-feedback
04:28 TR Bot; Firefox is getting a new logo, and Mozilla wants to hear what users think - The Verge
04:29 schestowitz[TR]; https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/files/2016/08/jb_Mozilla_A_eye_1.jpg
04:29 schestowitz[TR]; eye of saurus :-)
04:29 schestowitz[TR]; apt
04:29 schestowitz[TR]; given the spyware
04:30 schestowitz[TR]; "mozilla,,,,,,,,, are you... like, watching me?"
04:30 schestowitz[TR]; mozilla: no!
04:30 schestowitz[TR]; "telemetry"
04:30 schestowitz[TR]; "to improve the experience"
04:31 schestowitz[TR]; "ok, then, mozilla... stay classy"
04:31 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont care, because theyre part of the coup
04:32 schestowitz[TR]; oh, wait
04:32 schestowitz[TR]; but nnot officially
04:32 highest_cubist_thrills; i will gladly watch mozilla implode
04:32 schestowitz[TR]; i mean, mozilla as an org/ (company) did not issue a statement
04:32 schestowitz[TR]; suse, for example, did
04:32 schestowitz[TR]; and some staff was not happy
04:32 schestowitz[TR]; sap doll as CEO of SUSE
04:32 schestowitz[TR]; SAP
04:33 schestowitz[TR]; I mean, she didn't need to make a statement
04:33 schestowitz[TR]; we already know SAP salespeople do not like what RMS says about them
04:33 schestowitz[TR]; it's tragic that a slaeperson from SAP runs SUSE
04:33 schestowitz[TR]; even hovsepian was not that bad
04:33 schestowitz[TR]; he came from ICBM
04:34 schestowitz[TR]; ICBM "it came from above"
04:35 TR News; Simon Boaks SB116 is a TI Programmer-inspired DIY calculator | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/13/simon-boaks-sb116-is-a-ti-programmer-inspired-diy-calculator/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/13/simon-boaks-sb116-is-a-ti-programmer-inspired-diy-calculator/
04:35 TR Bot; Simon Boak's SB116 is a TI Programmer-inspired DIY calculator | Arduino Blog
04:36 TR News; How to set up Jellyfin on Linux in Docker https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-set-up-jellyfin-on-linux-in-docker/
04:36 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-set-up-jellyfin-on-linux-in-docker/ )
04:36 TR News; "This write-up will discuss the approaches for checking the type of variable in Java." https://linuxhint.com/check-variable-type-in-java/
04:36 TR Bot; How to Check Variable Type in Java
04:37 TR News; Notice how much of the Microsoft-bribed media tries to associate Go (Golang) with malware because people COULD write malware in Go and yet don't mention what became of JavaScript and POWERshell
04:39 TR News; The B in ICBM stands for Bailout. On an international (I) scale, ICBM relies on government (no-bid) contracts, e.g. for surveillance and weapon systems. ICBM got caught, repeatedly, not just grifting but also bribing (yes, crime, nobody arrested) for such contracts.
04:40 TR News; "I'd like to see Gnome applications written in .NET in version 4.0 - no, version 3.0. But Gnome 4.0 should be based on .NET." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/01/gnome_to_be_based/
04:40 TR Bot; Gnome to be based on .NET de Icaza The Register
04:40 TR News; systemd is controlled by Microsoft on several levels now
04:41 TR News; GPL is a cancer, say people who profit from cancer and patents on various other fatal diseases
04:43 TR News; SJVN in his latest ZDNet piece (of s-) neglected to connect patent trolls and their attacks on Free software... to how USELESS the OIN and LOT Network are. Why? Follow the money. He's paid to shill them and pass on their lies.
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04:44 TR News; Linux Foundation promoting surveillance again https://www.prweb.com/releases/new_metaverse_track_at_o3dcon_to_tackle_big_questions_and_practical_applications_of_emerging_graphical_technology/prweb18891315.htm
04:44 TR Bot; New Metaverse Track at O3DCon to Tackle Big Questions and Practical Applications of Emerging Graphical Technology
04:45 TR News; 1992: "Linux" is a kernel 2002: "Linux" is an operating system 2012: "Linux" is a buzzword (thanks, LF!) 2022: "Linux" is vaccines and surveillance and Microsoft and...
04:47 TR News; The metaphysics of ontopoetics and panpsychism gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-09-13.gmi
04:56 TR News; Kristall has an utterly dumb way of handling TSL certificates for HTTPS. Very disappointing. It's OK with self-signed for Gemini but not HTTPS? Why? No good reasons!
04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 130.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 168.98
04:59 TR News; OK, Kristall's handling of TSL bullshit is clearly buggy. Worthless.
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05:01 TR News; We should be 'forgiving' towards sites that self-sign certificates (many have legitimate reasons) and less 'forgiving' towards Web browsers that deny this. Who are they serving? Users? Sites? Or the CA cartel?
05:03 TR News; In the case of Kristall, it seems to boil down to a bug. It does not seem to be actively developed anymore (not since last xmas), so many a fix is not on the way.
05:07 DaemonFC; TIL: In the UK, they can basically put you on trial as many times as they want as long as they keep saying they found "substantial new evidence".
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05:31 DaemonFC; Does Haiku run on any actual hardware.
05:31 DaemonFC; Or is it one of those "Toss this in a VM and it crashes a lot." things like ReactOS?
05:31 schestowitz[TR]; good question
05:31 DaemonFC; I wonder if anyone maintains SeaMonkey or Firefox for Haiku.
05:31 schestowitz[TR]; but maybe they make a business selling it preloaded
05:32 DaemonFC; Theoretically it should be possible.
05:32 schestowitz[TR]; netsurf
05:32 DaemonFC; WebPositive is apparently the Haiku replacement for NetPositive in BeOS.
05:32 DaemonFC; NetPositive had its own rendering engine, and it had haikus for error messages.
05:33 DaemonFC; But that was when the Web was so small you could make a 2-3 MB browser that ran it all pretty much if you coded it efficently.
05:33 DaemonFC; "Bloated" Web browsers were about 40-50 MB.
05:34 DaemonFC; NetPositive and Opera were small because they were coded efficiently and were not meant to be a platform for application development! Opera was "cross platform" but did not draw its own GUI widgets like Mozilla in XUL.
05:34 DaemonFC; On OS/2 it was basically a slightly modified Windows program using Odin.
05:34 DaemonFC; On GNU/Linux, Opera used Qt.
05:36 DaemonFC; Classic Opera was a much better program than Chromium Opera.
05:36 DaemonFC; When they switched to Chromium I basically stopped using Opera.
05:38 DaemonFC; "Opera Neon concept browser for Mac & Windows"
05:38 DaemonFC; "Download now Free for Linux "
05:38 DaemonFC; LOL
05:42 DaemonFC; Crypto Wallet? LOL
05:42 schestowitz[TR]; don't touch ma wallet maaan
05:42 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: I will put my crypto family photo in my crypto wallet
05:43 schestowitz[TR]; along with my crypto keys... to the home
05:43 schestowitz[TR]; don't forget to put a cryptoi condom in your crypto wallet
05:43 schestowitz[TR]; btw, how is marisol'd crypto wallet doing?
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05:50 schestowitz[TR]; wb
05:50 schestowitz[TR]; I've just recorded a video
05:51 schestowitz[TR]; i really ought to get back to doing 3 per day
05:51 schestowitz[TR]; but topics are not easy to find
05:51 schestowitz[TR]; if you avoid repetition of themes
05:51 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah
05:51 highest_cubist_thrills; ive been looking online for any signs that anyone actually gives a shit about free software
05:51 schestowitz[TR]; rms talks are typically 50% or more reuse
05:51 schestowitz[TR]; the Q and A has some new material
05:51 highest_cubist_thrills; once you make it about everything else instead
05:51 highest_cubist_thrills; it pretty much becomes about everything else instead
05:52 schestowitz[TR]; but he then comments on things he does not know, never use, cannot undeersatnd
05:52 highest_cubist_thrills; well, hes dead
05:52 schestowitz[TR]; or say things someone told him
05:52 highest_cubist_thrills; hes a puppet without a hand
05:52 highest_cubist_thrills; propped up in a corner with nothing to say
05:53 schestowitz[TR]; he softened a bit
05:53 schestowitz[TR]; he no longer says stuff like
05:53 schestowitz[TR]; proprietary is evil
05:53 highest_cubist_thrills; hes been tenderised
05:53 schestowitz[TR]; because it's not suit-friendly
05:53 schestowitz[TR]; so they encourage him to water down his free expression
05:53 schestowitz[TR]; and it shows
05:53 schestowitz[TR]; same with torvalds
05:53 schestowitz[TR]; forced to take manners "Training"
05:53 highest_cubist_thrills; well ive been saying it for two years
05:54 highest_cubist_thrills; the real stallman is not coming back
05:54 highest_cubist_thrills; same with torvalds
05:54 schestowitz[TR]; here sia term for you
05:54 schestowitz[TR]; "manners talibanism"
05:54 highest_cubist_thrills; fancy
05:54 highest_cubist_thrills; heres one
05:54 highest_cubist_thrills; stockholm syndrome
05:54 schestowitz[TR]; oh, btw
05:54 schestowitz[TR]; sweden voted for the right
05:55 schestowitz[TR]; they seem to not want taliban taking over their country
05:55 schestowitz[TR]; which is unexpected for those who thought swedes were liberal
05:55 highest_cubist_thrills; thats just being wrong for the right reasons
05:55 highest_cubist_thrills; what makes the taliban a threat to sweden?
05:56 schestowitz[TR]; I'm refering to people who reject the culture
05:56 schestowitz[TR]; and form neighbourhood-wide 'colonies'
05:56 schestowitz[TR]; it's not a qunieuly swedish problem
05:56 highest_cubist_thrills; what you mean immigrants
05:56 schestowitz[TR]; but going back to software
05:57 schestowitz[TR]; the FSF has been coopted by pseudo-manners
05:57 schestowitz[TR]; so it cannot say spyware and stuff is evil
05:57 schestowitz[TR]; it's not good for sponsores
05:57 highest_cubist_thrills; it cant do anything
05:57 schestowitz[TR]; same for politicians
05:57 highest_cubist_thrills; its the new osi
05:57 highest_cubist_thrills; i called them the osfsf earlier
05:57 schestowitz[TR]; immigrants per se are not a problem
05:57 schestowitz[TR]; many immigrants integrate OK
05:57 schestowitz[TR]; companies can donate to the fsf
05:57 schestowitz[TR]; and support what fsf stands for
05:57 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean loads of brazilians in the same section
05:57 schestowitz[TR]; not tryint to change the fsf
05:58 highest_cubist_thrills; speaking portuguese and opening portguese businesses
05:58 highest_cubist_thrills; which is no problem at all
05:58 schestowitz[TR]; even if rms could speak portguese, he could still be attacked
05:58 schestowitz[TR]; and would
05:59 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah i meant regarding "neighbourhoodwide 'colonies'"
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; FSF is coloniused
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; by people who want to be sheltered there
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; like LF, OSI...
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; they attack what they enter
05:59 highest_cubist_thrills; its been taken over by corporations
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 38.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 111.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 157.21
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; LF has just openeashed Microsoft again
05:59 highest_cubist_thrills; who dont want users to be free
05:59 highest_cubist_thrills; turning the fsf into a fraud
05:59 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> 'Linux' Foundation openwashing for Microsoft https://www.datanami.com/2022/09/12/linkedin-donates-feature-store-to-linux-foundation/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
05:59 TR Bot; LinkedIn Donates Feature Store to Linux Foundation
05:59 TR Bot; Linux Foundation - Techrights
06:00 highest_cubist_thrills; lf is just marketing for microsoft, nothing else
06:00 schestowitz[TR]; "Microsoft loves Open SOurce"
06:00 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf is turning into that
06:00 schestowitz[TR]; ->Microsoft occupies Open Source[tm]
06:00 highest_cubist_thrills; github makes an lf of everything.
06:00 schestowitz[TR]; Github is PROPRIETARY
06:00 schestowitz[TR]; OSI LOVES GitHub
06:00 highest_cubist_thrills; github + fsf = lf
06:00 schestowitz[TR]; OSI takes bribes fromGitHub
06:00 schestowitz[TR]; OSI launders money forGitHub
06:00 highest_cubist_thrills; and more to the point
06:00 highest_cubist_thrills; no one does anything about it
06:00 highest_cubist_thrills; because everyone at the fsf is fucking useless
06:01 highest_cubist_thrills; useless
06:01 highest_cubist_thrills; theres no need to suck up to them
06:01 highest_cubist_thrills; they only take up space
06:01 highest_cubist_thrills; they promote bullshit
06:01 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre scabs
06:01 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre corporate scabs
06:01 schestowitz[TR]; gtg biab
06:01 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
06:04 highest_cubist_thrills; 2014: debian taken over
06:04 highest_cubist_thrills; 2018: github taken over
06:04 highest_cubist_thrills; 2019: fsf taken over
06:04 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe these dates are later than they should be-- these are conservative estimates
06:05 highest_cubist_thrills; tied to major events rather than causes
06:05 highest_cubist_thrills; if you date by cause they would be earlier
06:07 highest_cubist_thrills; 2019: fsf taken over <- gnu as well (ongoing)
06:08 highest_cubist_thrills; the takeover of gnu has been relentless
06:08 highest_cubist_thrills; the people who "failed" are now in control
06:09 highest_cubist_thrills; surprise, its ibm and microsoft
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06:14 highest_cubist_thrills; 2011: stallman resigns as chief gnuisance, settles for an advisory role
06:15 highest_cubist_thrills; he softened then, too
06:15 highest_cubist_thrills; that would have been okay, if someone else had done the same job he needed to
06:15 highest_cubist_thrills; the gnu project is full of sheep
06:16 highest_cubist_thrills; its run by wolves
06:16 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre going to tear it to shreds
06:18 highest_cubist_thrills; wait until duix find out that no only emacs users will hold out for gnu 2.0
06:18 highest_cubist_thrills; as the world discovers that duix stands for nothing
06:18 highest_cubist_thrills; and thus has no features
06:19 highest_cubist_thrills; its a glorified package manager for emacs posing as an operating system
06:19 highest_cubist_thrills; emacs and gcc are both being taken over
06:19 highest_cubist_thrills; a future as shiny as red hat
06:20 highest_cubist_thrills; at best-- duix is doing for ibm what oliva did for red hat
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06:20 highest_cubist_thrills; i bet you in the future, one of the duix leads goes to work for microsoft
06:21 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf move from issues to marketing will finally reach the top gnu projects
06:21 highest_cubist_thrills; youll see the duix logo everywhere you turn
06:21 highest_cubist_thrills; and then just like epstein, it will be gone
06:21 highest_cubist_thrills; and that will be gnu
06:22 highest_cubist_thrills; the fully free distros will no longer be updated regularly, but fall behind like they used to
06:23 highest_cubist_thrills; and the last big projects will be gcc (ibm) and wget (github) and emacs (which will also be github)
06:23 highest_cubist_thrills; gcc and emacs-- just like when it started
06:24 highest_cubist_thrills; like the end of the tron movie when the mcp became a printout of flynns computer game
06:24 highest_cubist_thrills; no one will care about wget, theyll use curl (github)
06:26 highest_cubist_thrills; i wonder what it will take for bash to die
06:27 highest_cubist_thrills; hard for me to guess what shell will become a bigger deal
06:27 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont like any of them
06:27 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre all bloated and ridiculous
06:27 highest_cubist_thrills; which is why i dont like bash
06:29 highest_cubist_thrills; i do like <() though
06:29 highest_cubist_thrills; <() is cool
06:29 highest_cubist_thrills; the one bash feature i dont use anymore, because its not available (when i dont use bash)
06:40 highest_cubist_thrills; <highest_cubist_thrills> i wonder what it will take for bash to die
06:40 highest_cubist_thrills; probably it will just move to github with the rest of what used to be gnu
06:41 highest_cubist_thrills; thanks to the people who used to be free software developers
06:41 highest_cubist_thrills; part of a movement that used to be about users controlling their computing
06:41 highest_cubist_thrills; which is now a contest to see who can take bill the deepest
06:42 geert; hmm i think it would then proof more accurate to focus to pharma
06:43 highest_cubist_thrills; well if i simply hated bill gates for being bill gates
06:43 highest_cubist_thrills; that would be a reasonable point
06:43 geert; like tryna catch bill via software... he kinda gets to delegate about almost all of that to others
06:43 highest_cubist_thrills; but since what i particularly resent is the entire free software movement bending over for monopolies
06:43 highest_cubist_thrills; pharma kinda has fuck-all to do with it
06:44 geert; well much drive there kinda didnt got to develop software for the right goals
06:44 geert; meaning they did it to gain userbase/fame/popularity/educate
06:44 geert; meaning kind of laying the definition of success in the hands of others
06:44 geert; and then when they found many others to be bigoted leeching ignorant goons
06:44 highest_cubist_thrills; sure, if you put your hand on the scale
06:44 geert; they kinda proof theyd idnt develop 'free software' for the right goals, hence unable to be affected all too much by userbase/fame/popularity/educate etc
06:45 highest_cubist_thrills; everyone weighs a few stone more
06:45 highest_cubist_thrills; they kinda proof theyd idnt develop 'free software' for the right goals <- my bullshit meter just exploded
06:45 geert; and they proof very influencable, they put their definition of success, so to speak, in the hands of what they later figured ignorant etc.
06:45 geert; so they practically, many of them, gave those influence to their development efforts
06:46 geert; and the many ignorant well, they didnt really use it but rather abuse it
06:46 highest_cubist_thrills; this is a fairly elitist take on software freedom
06:46 geert; so then many people figured, well, i dont wana this struggle costing lots of time if going along with 'time is money' means me getting large house etc.
06:46 geert; im not wanting miss out on large house for ignorants
06:46 geert; something along those lines
06:46 geert; so many kind of retreated
06:46 geert; i think thats what you talking about
06:46 highest_cubist_thrills; its not
06:47 highest_cubist_thrills; thats a very weird interpretation
06:47 highest_cubist_thrills; sounds more like some youtube guys take
06:47 geert; well i gotto admit i didnt just read through anything
06:47 geert; which probably a bit rude
06:47 highest_cubist_thrills; no its fine
06:47 geert; i gotto react to, lemme get it
06:47 highest_cubist_thrills; im not mental outlaw, distrotube or...
06:48 geert; well those later lines like about 'deepest' i got to react to
06:48 highest_cubist_thrills; whos the "cuck licenses" guy
06:48 highest_cubist_thrills; <geert> well those later lines like about 'deepest' i got to react to <- i suppose thats true
06:48 geert; yea it wasnt to prescribe your opinions
06:48 geert; i dont like such rude hostility mentally
06:49 geert; hostility dont necessarily need to be physically, but you probably get to know
06:49 geert; anyways if you get to feel depressed about it, i think you better not
06:49 highest_cubist_thrills; no everybodys happy now
06:49 geert; you should react eloquently and adequately to what you get offered via 'reality'
06:49 highest_cubist_thrills; by order of lieplanet
06:49 highest_cubist_thrills; happiness is mandatory
06:49 highest_cubist_thrills; manners are law
06:49 highest_cubist_thrills; everyone is cool now
06:49 highest_cubist_thrills; its great
06:50 geert; hmmm i kind of didnt really got to mean it like that
06:50 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft can take over, we can like it
06:50 highest_cubist_thrills; what more do we need
06:50 highest_cubist_thrills; no but thats the thing
06:50 highest_cubist_thrills; no matter how you meant it personally
06:50 geert; well i think its gona turn a bit different with gates than many expect
06:50 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the order of the day
06:50 geert; and i think it doesnt even take so mmuch longer anymore
06:50 geert; actually and no you cannot 'enforce' people to 'be happy'
06:51 geert; lies are not very good, this is not a very smart thing to do to give in to lies
06:51 geert; happiness mandatory is not how happiness works, its how people wana disguise nasty shit as an example
06:51 highest_cubist_thrills; actually and no you cannot 'enforce' people to 'be happy' <- thats what a cult IS
06:51 geert; but you seem to get to know about that
06:52 geert; the cult rather tries utilize fear and disguise that behind as if favoring happiness i guess
06:52 highest_cubist_thrills; ys
06:52 highest_cubist_thrills; yes
06:52 geert; not everyone is cool and many manners are just crap that shouldnt even come close to be considered 'law'
06:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i agree
06:52 geert; nah you seem influenced by much crap into something like negativism or even depression
06:53 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah, i get that when i say negative things
06:53 geert; and i would like to point out to you: there are more possibilities than difficulties, any day, any night
06:53 highest_cubist_thrills; i keep meaning to turn myself into a reeducation centre
06:53 highest_cubist_thrills; but there isnt one on the bus lines yet
06:53 geert; it seem like you misfocus, like you got to study mishaps, wrongdoing and lots of crap and now are more or less subconsciously misfocussing onto difficulties as if there were more difficulties than possibilities
06:53 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre popping up everywhere so i figure there will be one thats easy to get to soon enough
06:54 geert; but i wouldnt want you to act as if you get better focus if for whatever reason misfocus continues to be issue
06:54 highest_cubist_thrills; what should i focus on
06:54 geert; some call it acting, and over the bag of so called 'your own health' either mentally or physically
06:54 geert; well i got toexperience some many issues also while ago and i wish you do not act about it i guess
06:55 geert; more possibilities than difficulties, that is better focus
06:55 highest_cubist_thrills; have you ever tried gentoo?
06:55 geert; yea some bit of playing around
06:55 geert; not really tried too much although i got to plan hump it a little so to say
06:56 geert; experiences should favor possibilities, not difficulties <-- better focus
06:56 geert; you dont get experiences to kind of automutilate yourself psychologically so to say
06:56 geert; i wish yyou dont consider that assault when i get to say things so directly.. :S
06:57 geert; look it seem easy talking to me but man i got to bump the geert nose into so many walls
06:57 geert; kinda miracle i still get to yap irc lines at you
06:57 geert; so to speak :/
06:57 geert; easy talking from me*
06:57 geert; jap irc lines* seems more proper utilization of english to me
06:58 highest_cubist_thrills; the trick to english is to say something meaningful
06:58 highest_cubist_thrills; its definitely a trick, they dont teach it in schools
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 75.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 145.63
07:02 geert; well if somebody dont want to read the meaningful and act as if it depend on some punctuation or spelling...
07:02 geert; i think the trick is then hijacked by ignorant influence that one dont need depend on
07:02 geert; sort of, so to say
07:02 geert; often this go together with lack of question
07:03 highest_cubist_thrills; you know many years ago
07:03 highest_cubist_thrills; people came and took my country away from me
07:04 geert; oof that appear like serious wrongdoing to me
07:04 geert; what country ifyou dont get to mind me asking?
07:04 highest_cubist_thrills; even since then ive tried to figure out why
07:04 highest_cubist_thrills; a european country, its not important which one
07:05 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, it used to be european
07:05 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know what it is anymore
07:05 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2]: Things must be getting bad.
07:05 geert; oof it just feel heavy stuff to me, i get some experience regarding that kind of wrongdoing
07:05 DaemonFC; The movies brought back Jaws and other old stuff.
07:05 DaemonFC; They can't get people in to see the new ones.
07:05 highest_cubist_thrills; what happened to you?
07:06 geert; oof, quite a long explanation. i got to point out some things and people tried attacking me for it, some of em
07:06 geert; very secretly, in ways that others wouldnt see as they figured they could control it, partly by abusing pretty modern govt state security means
07:06 geert; tried make me appear crazy in eyes of parents etc.
07:07 geert; comes much to it, its not yet finished
07:07 geert; i still get to be in the country though
07:07 highest_cubist_thrills; the media in particular makes it worse
07:07 highest_cubist_thrills; always slanting every story
07:07 geert; real media is transfer type to message, much media want control the message instead of better control transfer process
07:08 geert; much so called nowadays media* i dont thin it really matches original definition of real media
07:08 geert; its fundamentally different what they get to do
07:08 geert; a little what seems to have happened to the word 'general'
07:08 geert; same words like many years ago
07:08 geert; different function
07:08 highest_cubist_thrills; words lose meaning when people forget where they came from
07:09 geert; they dont really lose meaning because people forget
07:09 geert; but forgetful people are often abused by lewd other people so to say
07:09 highest_cubist_thrills; but what about the journalists
07:09 geert; they wana utilize the ignorance or naivity of fellow, often because nasty goals
07:10 geert; journalist should not lie, if they lie, they put focus on message instead of transporting it
07:10 geert; they then move from telling you something, or me, to interpreting it
07:10 geert; that is kind of elitist uber/untermensch reality
07:10 highest_cubist_thrills; :)
07:10 geert; how dare they assume they need to interpret for me or you without asking decent questions first calling it transportation
07:11 highest_cubist_thrills; another fucking handle, for gods sake
07:11 geert; words dont just lose meaning, but some want to bend definition to terms secretly
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07:11 geert; oof i get worried feel
07:12 geert; somebody who get to know this person should try reroute focus to possiblities and watch negativism isnt kind of taking over, try to help
07:12 geert; listen its not some joke, that is like fellow people, he dont really appear like some ignorant goon who just tryna phish to me
07:13 geert; ehm.. read* instead of listen ofc
07:13 geert; anywayswhy would that person just leave from this irc context?i get worried feel!
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07:13 highest_cubist_thrills; motherfucker
07:14 geert; did you get feel like i got you hurt?
07:14 geert; i didnt really want to
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07:14 geert; i seriously think you got some focus issue difficulty that i think you should try focus differently
07:15 geert; you get lots of experience, many many causes/reasons and possibilities like that!
07:15 highest_cubist_thrills; hitler reacts to guy in irc with 1000 fucking handles
07:16 geert; hitler is over, the adolf one. maybe some family or something
07:17 geert; is just like past, over, finito, finished, he tried mess with many fellow, he got bear heavy reality that he figured able to work into such heavy, so to say
07:17 geert; we dont need too much think about it, its arranged, its over
07:17 geert; wtf did he got to achieve? its lots of misery man, preferably dont idolize it, let go, its over with that former goon
07:17 geert; former coz its over
07:17 geert; finito, finished.
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07:23 highest_cubist_thrills; if anyone wants to know what chuck norris would be like as a german nationalist softboy
07:23 highest_cubist_thrills; come to #techrights, we can show you
07:23 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]DaemonFC: I will put my crypto family photo in my crypto wallet
07:23 DaemonFC; NFFs. Non-Fungible Family
07:24 DaemonFC; Just chop the family up and turn them into NFFs.
07:24 DaemonFC; When the police arrive, say NO NO, THEY'RE IN THE BLOCKCHAIN!
07:24 DaemonFC; REALLY!
07:24 DaemonFC; YOU JUST CAN'T SEE THEM BECAUSE REASONS......
07:25 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]btw, how is marisol'd crypto wallet doing?
07:25 DaemonFC; Badly, I'm sure.
07:25 DaemonFC; Very sophisticated.
07:25 DaemonFC; She has everything figured out.
07:27 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2]: I just enrolled in a COVID-19 study.
07:27 DaemonFC; I think it should be fairly harmless.
07:28 DaemonFC; They just send you a year's worth of Vitamin D3 and it'll either be 400 IU or 4,000 IU and you won't know which.
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07:28 DaemonFC; They ask you to stop taking any other supplemental Vitamin D3, and they give you COVID tests.
07:28 DaemonFC; They ask you to use one of the COVID tests each week and report in for a year.
07:29 DaemonFC; It's to see if supplemental Vitamin D3 has any effect on whether people get COVID during the next year.
07:30 DaemonFC; Finally someone is studying this.
07:32 geert; well better be careful with teh drugs
07:32 geert; anyways ima get some sleep i guess
07:32 geert; its kind of 8.30 am local time /CET here
07:32 geert; better not tell mom i guess
07:34 geert; ohand if 'hackers' tryna break opsec etc. tryna steal 'stash' here, ima get warning; theres so much goons tryna fish around here, you cannot get through unseen plus you deliver lots of info about what you think you can do, trickery etc. including zerodays before you even finish trying, they see, and i guess you rather get paid for zerodays than leaking like a old granny hoe
07:34 geert; oh and*
07:35 DaemonFC; Vitamin D is pretty safe as long as you don't go too crazy (over 5,000 IU per day) with the supplements.
07:35 geert; and i dont put stash in such environments btw so etc.
07:36 geert; so ima try sleep, bbl :)
07:36 DaemonFC; If you go over that, it should be because your doctor is prescribing it and monitoring your blood levels.
07:36 geert; try not to piss it out, since intake such vitamins is related to some triggers otherwise you might piss lots out
07:37 geert; oh i should try sleep i guess bbl :)
07:39 loner; morning
07:40 loner; anyway, currently, as usual, after the first coffee and cigeratte passed the brain-blood barrier
07:40 loner; i began thinking
07:40 loner; what if, i wanted to remove _all_ software which requires the GNU(!) autotools/automake
07:41 loner; a userspace, such as toybox, don't need them
07:42 mjg59_; Why not just start from the Android userland
07:42 mjg59_; It has no GNU and it already targets Linux
07:42 loner; mjg59_: i am not concerned about GNU itself nor GPL
07:42 loner; it is the GNU-toolchain (gcc/binutils/...), and GNU build-system (autotools, make, ...)
07:43 mjg59_; Yes, and Android doesn't use the GNU build-system
07:43 loner; anyway, development utilitities
07:44 loner; vim doesn't need autotools, tcc-toolchain doesn't
07:44 chunky; i love vim sosoososoo much!!!!
07:45 loner; here comes the first one: dev-vcs/git
07:47 loner; git does utilize a configure.ac, at least no Makefile.am
07:47 loner; however, a configure.ac builds up such a giant dependency graph, that's bad enough
07:48 loner; reminder, i had to roll-back perl to version 5.8 (year 2003), any later didn't pass tcc-toolchain
07:48 loner; git git git git
07:50 loner; and i think, for kernel itself, the kbuild-system requires perl too; at least perl doesn't utilize autotools
07:50 loner; hence, perl won't block
07:50 loner; git will
07:50 DaemonFC; I swear someone in Hollywood is literally just digging up my beloved childhood movies and redoing them with a Chinese Communist official and Matthew Garrett striking through the parts of the final draft they don't like, which was written by the script writers of those Redbox Bruce Willis movies.
07:51 DaemonFC; Garrett moves on from the software industry.....
07:51 DaemonFC; mjg59_Why not just start from the Android userland
07:51 DaemonFC; mjg59_It has no GNU and it already targets Linux
07:51 DaemonFC; I tried to run an Android "app" on Fedora today.
07:51 DaemonFC; It was packaged in Flatpak.
07:52 DaemonFC; As soon as I ran it, my computer started flaking out and then crashed.
07:52 DaemonFC; I had to hold in the power button.
07:52 DaemonFC; It was almost exactly like something that happens a few times a week under Windows.
07:52 DaemonFC; First time in 16 years I had a complete system crash using a stable GNU/Linux distribution, and it was because I loaded an Android "app.
07:53 loner; dev-vcs/git is worth the effort, to manually track the config.h i think
07:56 loner; however, git got dependencies... openssl/libressl (ouch, another configure.ac), zlib
07:56 loner; etc etc.
07:56 loner; maybe, git can be linked against bearssl/bearssl-libtls
07:57 DaemonFC; Things probably can't get much worse than OpenSSL.
07:58 loner; i think oasis linux integrated bearssl, and chances are this too included git
07:58 loner; that's not a blocker, not yet
07:58 DaemonFC; https://research.swtch.com/openssl
07:58 TR Bot; research!rsc: Lessons from the Debian/OpenSSL Fiasco
07:58 loner; without git, live got no meaning no more
07:58 DaemonFC; Except for the time Debian took OpenSSL and made it worse somehow.
07:59 loner; i had bearssl/bearssl-libtls on TODO for a while already
07:59 DaemonFC; " Last week, Debian announced that in September 2006 they accidentally broke the OpenSSL pseudo-random number generator while trying to silence a Valgrind warning. One effect this had is that the ssh-keygen program installed on recent Debian systems (and Debian-derived systems like Ubuntu) could only generate 32,767 different possible SSH keys of a given type and size, so there are a lot of...
07:59 DaemonFC; ...people walking around with the same keys. "
07:59 DaemonFC; :)
07:59 DaemonFC; (2008)
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.56 k/sec., IPFS upstream 51.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 147.25
07:59 loner; got a test-integration already, catgirl irc linked against it, statically... it works, bearssl i mean
08:01 loner; sys-libs/zlib -> autotools, ouch
08:02 DaemonFC; "There were other MD_update calls in the code that didn't use buf, and those remained. The only one that was a little unpredictable was one in RAND_bytes that added the current process ID to the entropy pool on each call. That's why OpenSSH could still generate 32,767 possible SSH keys of a given type and size (one for each pid) instead of just one. "
08:02 DaemonFC; Well, if it always generated the same key, then it would have been spotted sooner, I suppose. :)
08:03 loner; zlib could be, it's optional with dev-vcs/git... i hope
08:04 DaemonFC; "The OpenSSL code's paranoia hid the Debian-introduced bug. Throwing the pid into the entropy pool on each call to RAND_bytes isn't actually helping create entropy, but it does keep the buggy Debian version from being completely deterministic. If it had been completely deterministic, the bug would likely have been noticed much sooner, probably long before it got into a stable release. "
08:05 loner; allright, this is the plan now
08:06 loner; 1) verify mes-libc from bootstrappable, to compile/link/assemble this one with tcc-toolchain
08:06 loner; 2) compile/link toybox userspace against mes-libc
08:06 DaemonFC; https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/09/ipod/
08:06 TR Bot; jwz: iPod
08:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2]: JWZ finally calls it the "clown".
08:06 DaemonFC; "streaming clown nonsense"
08:06 DaemonFC; :)
08:06 DaemonFC; "I picked up a refurbished iPod 5 with 1TB of storage. I am trying this experiment because the iOS "Music" app just gets more and more annoying with every passing month. It barely seems to acknowledge that one might play music from files that one owns rather than whatever streaming clown nonsense."
08:07 loner; 3) bearssl/libtls, git, vim... all of them linked against mes-libc (if possible)
08:07 loner; the bootstrappable.org people reported success with mes-libc compiled with tcc-toolchain, and bash linked against it
08:07 DaemonFC; "Anyway, I got this iPod and then I immediately bricked it.
08:07 DaemonFC; I verified that it was working with a few dozen songs; and then I copied around 67,000 tracks onto it, which took two days. This caused it to become permanently stuck at the white-on-black Apple logo boot screen."
08:08 DaemonFC; He bricked what was a VERY expensive MP3 player by copying MP3s to it.
08:08 DaemonFC; And instead of failing to handle it in some SANE manner if there was a good reason not to, it broke the piece of shit instead.
08:08 DaemonFC; MinceR: ^ Apple
08:08 loner; hence, toybox could be possible/feasible; then git, vim, posix make etc. to retain a usable userspace including required development utilities including tcc-toolchain
08:08 loner; however, without GNU-toolchain and without GNU-buildsystem
08:09 loner; and the system must remain self-hosting, meaning it must contain all utilities to compile/bootstrap itself
08:09 loner; if this succeeds, i'll re-iterate over linux kernel-build with tcc-toolchain
08:10 loner; i mean, i would even be willing to roll-back to kernel linux-2.4 on x86 if necessary
08:12 loner; in the end, the final system bundle will be minimal anyway, hence i too would be willing to drop dev-vcs/git and move to rcs/cvs if necessary
08:13 loner; scraping required sources, and ditch the clutter
08:13 loner; what else?
08:14 loner; the central elements of this approach are: tcc-toolchain and libc first
08:17 DaemonFC; https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-self-hosting-my-email-for-twenty-three-years-i-have-thrown-in-the-towel-the-oligopoly-has-won.html
08:17 TR Bot; After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.
08:17 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2]: ^
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08:20 loner; mjg59_: Android's policy is "no GPL in userspace", for political reasons, political reasons i disagree with
08:20 loner; i am not at all opposed to GPL, in fact i consider GPL (copyleft) too _weak_ to protect software freedom
08:21 loner; the reasons to avoid GNU-toolchain and buildsystem are _technical_ ones
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08:26 loner; btw. a rollback to linux-2.4, if necessary, wouldn't block against an open-hardware option either
08:27 loner; some i486 SoC are documented for deployment to FPGA, although incomplete, Altera FPGA being expensive, and mostly proprietary
08:28 loner; however, deep down below in this realm j-core.org too struggled with similar problems, and anyone else will too ... RISC-V
08:28 loner; with an x86 open-hardware SoC other problems remain: peripheral I/O (usb, vga, ethernet etc);
08:29 loner; and even some very expensive Altera FPGA ($800), barely sufficed to push beyond a few dozen MHz
08:29 TR News; Notice how SJVN and OIN refuse or fail to speak about software patents as the issue, they blame "trolls". IBM, Microsoft, LF etc. are not against software patents; watch who they collect bribes from!
08:30 loner; https://github.com/alfikpl/ao486
08:30 TR Bot; - alfikpl/ao486: The ao486 is an x86 compatible Verilog core implementing all features of a 486 SX.
08:32 loner; anyway, i finished archival of the gcc47 c-only toolchain system profile
08:32 loner; it works, got a w3m browser still, some sixel graphics, even some multi-media fun with libsdl1,mplayer etc.
08:33 loner; almost all of this passed with tcc-toolchain too btw.; except libc
08:33 loner; and once libc is replaced with mes-libc (if possible, not sure yet), most of the c-only toolchain profile userspace will be gone
08:33 loner; too for the reason, i am not willing to struggle with autotools anymore
08:34 loner; it'll be two system-profiles 1) gcc47 2) tcc-toolchain
08:34 loner; the gcc47 system remained gentoo/self-hosting, against a recent portage testing from february this year
08:35 loner; and the gcc47 system too can emit a tcc-toolchain system devdrop (including mplayer,libsdl1 etc)
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08:35 loner; however, the tcc-toolchain profile is still blocked against libc which requires binutils
08:36 loner; henceforth, a tcc-toolchain system profile will require a rebuild from scratch
08:36 loner; beginning with mes-libc and toybox userspace and the fun mentioned above
08:37 loner; in the end, a tcc-toolchain system, if at all, will roll-back to late 1990s "free software"
08:39 loner; thinking about it, a rollback to kernel-2.4 (or any 2.6)... nilfs2 filesystem support will be gone
08:40 loner; i don't care, ext2 will be fine too
08:42 loner; allright, another decision made, rollback to linux-2.4/2.6, any which passed with tcc-toolchain
08:42 loner; for the sake of simplicity, any recent hardware-trends which require a recent kernel are, not irelevant, including RISC-V
08:42 loner; *not relevant
08:43 loner; with kernel-2.4/2.6 targetting any legacy x86 system, i won't need to bother with difficult tcc-toolchain integration, this was accomplished already
08:43 loner; besides, ARM and RISC-V often utilize uboot-loader, and uboot got some nasty build-time dependencies (c++/python/swig)
08:44 loner; those dependencies are a nasty blocker, hence i am not aware of a bootstrapping path of python2/3 with tcc-toolchain
08:44 loner; it's mainly libffi, i am not willing to hack this, only to support uboot-loader
08:45 loner; and tcc-toolchain integration with uboot-loader had not been approached by anyone yet either, i won't
08:45 loner; hence, kernel-2.4/2.6 and some legacy x86
08:45 loner; for the tcc-toolchain profile
08:46 loner; another idea is, given the situation surround git, to grab some legacy source-base from year 2000 some time (some debian apt-source boundles whatever), and see what is available with this
08:47 loner; and, i could skip the idea of aarch32 support with tcc-toolchain entirely, could be assembly support for x86 with tcc-toolchain is less troublesome
08:50 loner; besides, the firmware-situation with i486 opensource SoC didn't look that bad either... for the ao486 it is some bochs/seabios
08:52 loner; and, x86 hardware for linux-2.4/2.6 won't be that expensive either
08:53 loner; too, relevant hardware should be sufficiently fast, with tcc-toolchain to work 100% from source
08:53 loner; this will be a non-issue once and for all then
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08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 99.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 156.28
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09:02 loner; anyway, gcc47 c-only toolchain system profile is frozen/archived, for aarch32/64/amd64... that's blocked for all eternity
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09:03 loner; any path to keep rolling forward beyond this is futile, including RISC-V, with the acceptance criteria of mine
09:04 loner; and instead of rolling-forward, let's see what a roll-back of 20years with particular components accomplishes
09:05 loner; 10years of struggle, bam, why not, roll-back, and block
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09:06 loner; for this, tcc-toolchain is crucial, because of the compile-time performance (of gcc/g++/llvm), and limited hardware resources available then
09:06 loner; and i think, run-time performance with tcc-toolchain is sufficient, already did some initial testing
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09:07 loner; granted, for example, ssh key-exchange is considerably slower, starting mutt mailer requires 3seconds instead of <1s... who cares?
09:07 loner; i don't.
09:08 loner; runtime-performance won't be an issue, with something at the scale of a dual-core with 2GHz and 2GiB RAM, even when compiling/bootstrapping everything 100% from source
09:08 loner; with a source-based workflow
09:08 loner; with GNU-toolchain this wouldn't be pleasent
09:08 loner; i mean, tcc-toolchain compiles/bootstraps in a 1minute including various cross-compilers even
09:09 loner; a single gcc cross-compiler bootstrapping requires hour(s)
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09:38 TR News; "NNCP is one of those things that almost defies explanation." https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10421-dead-usb-drives-are-fine-building-a-reliable-sneakernet | Source: John Goerzen
09:38 TR Bot; Dead USB Drives Are Fine: Building a Reliable Sneakernet | The Changelog
09:39 TR News; "Hello, it's been a long time I didn't have to take a look at monitoring servers." https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-09-11-exploring-monitoring-stacks.html | Source: Data Swamp
09:39 TR Bot; Solene'% : Explaining modern server monitoring stacks for self-hosting
09:40 TR News; "During the discussion cycle, many (if not most?) have failed to see the great potentia" https://notes.volution.ro/v1/2022/09/remarks/794866f7/ | Source: Ciprian Dorin Craciun
09:40 TR Bot; [remark] Securing my static site server with seccomp -- Volution Notes
09:40 TR News; "As a practical matter, I don't think we'd deploy any reused server with less than 4 GB of RAM" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/ServerMemoryShiftingAmounts | Source: uni Toronto
09:40 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/ServerMemoryShiftingAmounts
09:40 TR News; [Old] "POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Els" https://indieweb.org/POSSE |
09:40 TR Bot; POSSE - IndieWeb
09:47 TR News; OpenBSD "For those unfamiliar with the process: this is not the 7.2 release" https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220912055003 | Source: Undeadly
09:47 TR Bot; -current has moved to 7.2
09:48 TR News; "So I came to think that there might be some generators of disagreement around the subject" https://www.epistem.ink/p/generators-of-disagreement-with-ai | Source: George
09:48 TR Bot; Generators Of Disagreement With AI Alignment - by George
09:49 TR News; "UCEPROTECT Level 3 blocks ASNs which you can think of as a group of IP ranges operated by an ISP." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-02-26-moving-off-self-hosted-email.html |
09:49 TR Bot; Moving off self hosted email
09:51 TR News; UML https://andydote.co.uk/2022/09/11/uml-isnt-dead/ |
09:51 TR Bot; The reports of UML's death are greatly exaggerated | Andy Dote
10:01 TR News; "Nils started experimenting with Linux with dual booting since 2005" https://boilingsteam.com/introducing-nils-our-new-team-member/ | Source: Boiling Steam
10:01 TR Bot; Introducing Nils, Our New Team Member - Boiling Steam
10:01 TR News; "In a tweet Saturday"... :/ not the way to do it https://www.axios.com/2022/09/11/border-patrol-deactivates-texas-twitter | Source: Axios
10:01 TR Bot; Border Patrol deactivates regional Twitter account after "inappropriate" posts
10:02 TR News; "I'll be taking 12 weeks off of work and attending Recurse Center in the Fall 2 batch" https://ntietz.com/tech-blog/going-to-recurse-center/ | Source: Nicholas Tietz-Sokolsky
10:02 TR Bot; I'm taking a sabbatical and attending Recurse Center! | nicholas@web
10:02 TR News; "College Boards announcement to digitalize the SAT made major news headlines" https://insidesources.com/are-textbook-publishers-playing-a-role-in-cheating-trends/ |
10:02 TR Bot; Textbook Publishers Playing a Role in Cheating Trends? InsideSources
10:03 TR News; "Today, On Point: Protecting America's public libraries" https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2022/09/08/censorship-wars-defund-public-libraries | Source: WBUR Radio
10:03 TR Bot; Censorship wars: Why have several communities voted to defund their public libraries? | On Point
10:03 TR News; Social control media = addiction to something that HARMS you https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/health-a-wellbeing/22185-addiction-to-facebook-and-instagram-among-teenagers-is-linked-to-inequality-research.html | Source: Helsinki Times
10:03 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/health-a-wellbeing/22185-addiction-to-facebook-and-instagram-among-teenagers-is-linked-to-inequality-research.html )
10:04 TR News; LSD https://futurism.com/neoscope/lsd-therapy-effective-anxiety-depression | Source: Futurism
10:04 TR Bot; Study Finds LSD Therapy Strikingly Effective at Reducing Anxiety and Depression
10:05 TR News; "To do this successfully without anyone else impersonating you, a Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA) is used to authenticate you." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-09-11-ed25519-deep-dive-addendum.html |
10:05 TR Bot; Ed25519 Deep Dive Addendum
10:06 TR News; [Old] "Digital Signature Algorithms (DSAs) underpin modern technology enabling phone calls, emails, operating system updates" https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-03-06-ed25519-signatures.html |
10:06 TR Bot; A Deep dive into Ed25519 Signatures
10:06 TR News; "I have never put any money into bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies." https://bsdly.blogspot.com/2022/09/your-forgotten-blockchain-account.html | Source: BSDly
10:06 TR Bot; That grumpy BSD guy: Your 'Forgotten' Blockchain Account Needing Reactivation? It's a Scam
10:07 TR News; "At DEF CON 30 "Crypto Agility" and "Post Quantum" buzz words were repeated in several villages." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-08-24-post-quantum-crypto-agility.html |
10:07 TR Bot; Crypto Agility and Post Quantum
10:08 TR News; Environment https://futurism.com/neoscope/young-people-cancer-health-medical | Source: Futurism
10:08 TR Bot; Young People Are Getting Way More Cancer Than Old People Did
10:08 TR News; "A lot of that needs to be built where the resource is" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/11/opinion/biden-climate-congress-infrastructure.html | Source: New York Times
10:08 TR Bot; Opinion | All Biden Has to Do Now Is Change the Way We Live - The New York Times
10:09 TR News; "Sky & Telescope readers can record scientifically useful observations of BlueWalker 3." https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/as-bluewalker-satellites-join-a-brightening-sky-heres-how-you-can-help/ |
10:09 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/as-bluewalker-satellites-join-a-brightening-sky-heres-how-you-can-help/ )
10:13 MinceR; lol @ hypePod
10:13 MinceR; especially lol @ jwz
10:13 TR News; Social control media = interference companies https://text.npr.org/1121887926 | Source: NPR
10:13 TR Bot; Social media firms are prepping for the midterms. Experts say it may not be enough
10:14 TR News; "The White House plan is a mixed bag." https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/10/big-data/#230-quagmire | Source: CoryDoctorow
10:14 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 10 Sep 2022 American healthcare did a fuckery, the White House has a plan for Big Tech big-data Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
10:14 MinceR; he keeps punishing himself with that crap and doesn't learn from any of it
10:14 TR News; "The changes are being initiated in the wake of the tapping of PASOK President Nikos Androulakis phone" https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1193070/uk-model-eyed-for-intelligence-services/ |
10:14 TR Bot; model eyed for intelligence services | eKathimerini.com
10:15 TR News; Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. https://text.npr.org/1122379162 | Source: NPR
10:15 TR Bot; Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as the 'Not My King' tag grows
10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
10:21 TR News; "Lets just ban all the books." https://lasvegassun.com/news/2022/sep/09/lets-just-ban-all-the-books/ |
10:21 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://lasvegassun.com/news/2022/sep/09/lets-just-ban-all-the-books/ )
10:21 TR News; On unionizing https://text.npr.org/1120759940 | Source: NPR
10:21 TR Bot; Meet the strippers working to unionize a Los Angeles dive bar
10:22 TR News; [Old] "Notice whats missing: Free Software / FLOSS in the Richard Stallman sense of the word." https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10417-the-pc-internet-revolution-in-rural-america | Source: John Goerzen
10:22 TR Bot; The PC & Internet Revolution in Rural America | The Changelog
10:32 TR News; (NEW): 11 Interesting Firefox Add-ons to Improve Your Browsing Experience http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/11_Interesting_Firefox_Add_ons_to_Improve_Your_Browsing_Experie.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/11_Interesting_Firefox_Add_ons_to_Improve_Your_Browsing_Experie.gmi
10:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines 11 Interesting Firefox Add-ons to Improve Your Browsing Experience
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10:36 TR News; On "accessibility" https://www.propublica.org/article/voter-participation-literacy-accessibility | Source: Pro Publica
10:36 TR Bot; How We Analyzed Literacy and Voter Turnout ProPublica
10:36 TR News; "You do not have to prove you can read or write to vote." https://www.propublica.org/article/guide-to-voter-accessibility | Source: Pro Publica
10:36 TR Bot; Quick Guide to Voting Accessibility for All ProPublica
10:38 TR News; Quad9 as Internet police? https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-continues-to-fight-pirate-site-blocking-demands-220913/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:38 TR Bot; Resolver Quad9 Continues to Fight Pirate Site Blocking Demands * TorrentFreak
10:38 TR News; "The Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment has announced the shutdown of seven domains linked to illegal streaming" https://torrentfreak.com/ace-shuts-down-more-illegal-steaming-sites-these-sites-may-be-next-220912/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:38 TR Bot; Shuts Down More Illegal Steaming Sites - These Sites May Be Next * TorrentFreak
10:38 TR News; "Ace Stream is a decentralized streaming tool with millions of users." https://torrentfreak.com/p2p-streaming-tool-ace-stream-decries-unjustified-site-blocking-and-piracy-allegations-220912/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:38 TR Bot; Streaming Tool "Ace Stream" Decries Unjustified Site Blocking and Piracy Allegations * TorrentFreak
10:40 TR News; Steam Deck https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/valve-dev-shows-more-steam-deck-prototypes/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:40 TR Bot; dev shows more Steam Deck prototypes | GamingOnLinux
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10:57 TR News; (NEW): Remixing Linux for blind and visually impaired users http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Remixing_Linux_for_blind_and_visually_impaired_users.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Remixing_Linux_for_blind_and_visually_impaired_users.gmi
10:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines Remixing Linux for blind and visually impaired users
10:57 TR News; (NEW): CubyText is a Fast Cross-Platform Open-Source Knowledge Management App in Development http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/CubyText_is_a_Fast_Cross_Platform_Open_Source_Knowledge_Managem.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/CubyText_is_a_Fast_Cross_Platform_Open_Source_Knowledge_Managem.gmi
10:57 TR Bot; Tux Machines CubyText is a Fast Cross-Platform Open-Source Knowledge Management App in Development
10:58 TR News; Retro https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/building-a-retro-linux-gaming-computer-part-18-run-away-and-join-the-circus/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:58 TR Bot; a Retro Linux Gaming Computer - Part 18: Run Away and Join the Circus | GamingOnLinux
10:58 TR News; "It's Disney Dreamlight Valley from Gameloft" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/i-hate-to-admit-it-but-i-like-disney-dreamlight-valley-m-works-well-on-steam-deck-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:58 TR Bot; hate to admit it but I like Disney Dreamlight Valley works well on Steam Deck / Linux | GamingOnLinux
10:58 TR News; Left 4 Dead 2 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/valve-are-still-fixing-up-left-4-dead-2-over-10-years-after-release/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
10:58 TR Bot; are still fixing up Left 4 Dead 2, over 10 years after release | GamingOnLinux
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 162.68 average k/sec., average swarm size 153.90
11:04 TR News; "Distrobox is a way to use pretty much any other Linux distribution in your terminal" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/distrobox-can-open-up-the-steam-deck-to-a-whole-new-world/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:04 TR Bot; can open up the Steam Deck to a whole new world | GamingOnLinux
11:04 TR News; Xenospore https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/defend-humanity-from-an-alien-organism-in-puzzle-game-xenospore/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:04 TR Bot; humanity from an alien organism in puzzle game Xenospore | GamingOnLinux
11:04 TR News; GloriousEggroll :) https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/ge-proton-7-33-and-wine-ge-proton-7-28-are-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:04 TR Bot; 7-33 and Wine-GE-Proton 7-28 are out now | GamingOnLinux
11:04 TR News; Heroic Games Launcher https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/heroic-games-launcher-version-243-is-another-critical-bug-fix-release/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
11:04 TR Bot; Games Launcher version 2.4.3 is another critical bug-fix release | GamingOnLinux
11:04 TR News; "The Vision Box AI integrates the latest Jetson AGX Orin 64GB model from NVIDIA which offers the following features" https://linuxgizmos.com/vision-box-ai-features-nvidias-64gb-agx-orin-gpu-module/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
11:04 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/vision-box-ai-features-nvidias-64gb-agx-orin-gpu-module/ )
11:05 TR News; "As a Linux user, you are probably already familiar with crontab" https://linuxhandbook.com/check-crontab-logs/ | Source: Linux Handbook
11:05 TR Bot; How to Check Crontab logs in Linux
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11:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR2, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1753874
11:08 TR Bot; 1753874 - Replying to a tiktok comment gives an error: couldn't post comment
11:08 DaemonFC; https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1769762
11:08 TR Bot; 1769762 - Override navigator.plugins and navigator.mimeTypes for TikTok
11:08 DaemonFC; https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1772949
11:08 TR Bot; 1772949 - Set navigator.share to undefined on YouTube iframe
11:12 DaemonFC; TikTok is completely hosed in Firefox without this patch.
11:12 DaemonFC; :)
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11:13 TR News; (NEW): ESP-Hosted helps adds WiFi connectivity to legacy Linux or MCU-based products http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/ESP_Hosted_helps_adds_WiFi_connectivity_to_legacy_Linux_or_MCU_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/ESP_Hosted_helps_adds_WiFi_connectivity_to_legacy_Linux_or_MCU_.gmi
11:13 TR Bot; Tux Machines ESP-Hosted helps adds WiFi connectivity to legacy Linux or MCU-based products
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: no great loss
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; don't use either
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; firefox
11:13 schestowitz[TR]; the web
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; tiktok
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; tiktok is an app
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; for ios
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; android
11:14 schestowitz[TR]; chrome
11:15 DaemonFC; There's a "Web site" but it's made for Chrome. I wonder if they bother to make sure it works in Safari.
11:15 DaemonFC; Guessing not.
11:15 TR News; The EU's AI Act Could Have a Chilling Effect on Open Source Efforts, Experts Warn - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/11/0645257 Source: Soylent News http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/buzzwords-from-brussels/
11:15 TR Bot; The EU's AI Act Could Have a Chilling Effect on Open Source Efforts, Experts Warn - SoylentNews
11:15 TR Bot; A Soup of Buzzwords From Brussels (the European Commission) | Techrights
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; if there was a safari, tiktok would put it on the sinner table
11:16 schestowitz[TR]; *dinner
11:16 TR News; iophk: "twitter should /never/ be used by agencies in place of official channels of communication" https://www.axios.com/2022/09/11/border-patrol-deactivates-texas-twitter
11:16 TR Bot; Border Patrol deactivates regional Twitter account after "inappropriate" posts
11:16 TR News; Low Esg Scores - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-09-12 | Dilbert by Scott Adams https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-09-12
11:16 TR Bot; Esg Scores - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-09-12 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
11:17 TR News; WiFi Hacking with Airgeddon, Kismet and Kodys favourite hacking tools https://odysee.com/@davidbombal:0/wifi-hacking-with-airgeddon,-kismet-and:a Source: | loquacious but informative
11:17 TR Bot; WiFi Hacking with Airgeddon, Kismet and Kody's favourite hacking tools
11:19 TR News; IN RE: FACEBOOK, INC. CONSUMER PRIVACY USER PROFILE LITIGATION https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.327471/gov.uscourts.cand.327471.982.0_1.pdf
11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
11:22 TR News; Impediments to self-hosting and self-determination (not outsourcing of "trust" for instance) are increasing; today we look at the case of Kristall, a highly versatile multi-protocol browser http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/kristall-tls-bug/
11:22 TR Bot; A False Sense of Privacy and Safety is Ruining Otherwise Fine Browsers (Like Kristall) | Techrights
11:22 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Android_Leftovers.gmi
11:22 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
11:27 TR News; (NEW): Games: Steam, Distrobox, Heroic Games Launcher, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Games_Steam_Distrobox_Heroic_Games_Launcher_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Games_Steam_Distrobox_Heroic_Games_Launcher_and_More.gmi
11:27 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Steam, Distrobox, Heroic Games Launcher, and More
11:30 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
11:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
11:31 TR News; The motherboard is defective and has NSA back doors. poor choice of processor in the year 2022 (we're not in the 90s anymore). https://linuxgizmos.com/fanless-mini-pc-features-up-to-4x-2-4gbe-lan-ports-and-elkhart-lake-processor/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
11:31 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/fanless-mini-pc-features-up-to-4x-2-4gbe-lan-ports-and-elkhart-lake-processor/ )
11:33 TR News; "In this tutorial, we will discuss how to change user password in Linux using passwd command from commandline." https://ostechnix.com/change-password-linux/ | Source: OSTechNix
11:33 TR Bot; User Password In Linux - OSTechNix
11:35 TR News; Android/Linux Khadas Edge2 ultra thin SBC is powered by Rockchip RK3588S processor - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/13/khadas-edge2-ultra-thin-sbc-is-powered-by-rockchip-rk3588s-processor/
11:35 TR Bot; Khadas Edge2 ultra thin SBC is powered by Rockchip RK3588S processor - CNX Software
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11:37 psydruid; > Does Haiku run on any actual hardware.
11:37 psydruid; > Or is it one of those "Toss this in a VM and it crashes a lot." things like ReactOS?
11:37 psydruid; I had it installed on a laptop for a year and everything minus the wifi worked pretty reliably, ReactOS barely runs on any hardware
11:38 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/09/12/1121999705/sex-education-school-kindergarten
11:38 TR Bot; Why sex education should start in kindergarten (hula hoops recommended) : NPR
11:38 DaemonFC; National Pedophile Radio
11:38 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], ^
11:39 DaemonFC; Bill Gates
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11:42 schestowitz[TR]; maybe they can 'normalise' this BS
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; with BillBC joining in
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/06/20/young-boys-and-the-express-stop-envelope/
11:42 TR Bot; Bill and Melinda Gates Employee Took Photos of Young Boys at the Beach | Techrights
11:42 *loner is now known as mixling
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/ok-melinda/
11:42 TR Bot; OK, Melinda | Techrights
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/gates-epstein-house.jpg
11:42 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/gates-epstein.jpg
11:43 schestowitz[TR]; bill zemlin: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/zemlin-go-away.gif
11:44 TR News; "UMS streams a wide range of media formats with little or absolutely no configuration." https://www.tecmint.com/install-universal-media-server-ubuntu/ | Source: TecMint
11:44 TR Bot; How to Install Universal Media Server in Ubuntu Linux
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11:51 schestowitz[TR]; ms peters wanted the same
11:51 schestowitz[TR]; to normalise pedophilia
11:51 schestowitz[TR]; but he didn't have the clout of bill
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11:53 TR News; http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
11:53 TR Bot; Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights
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11:56 TR News; Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; next up in NPR:
11:56 schestowitz[TR]; we should lower age of sexual consent to 14
11:57 TR News; "It has been a long and difficult journey to build a freedom- and privacy-respecting phone like the Librem 5" https://puri.sm/posts/thank-you-for-joining-us/ | Source: Purism
11:57 TR Bot; Thank You For Joining Us Purism
11:57 mixling; lower how? teenager intercourse among each other of same age isn't prohibited to my knowledge
11:58 TR News; Normal people: folks who say toddlers should be told about sex are sick perverts. NPR: Bill Gates pays us. We should give a platform to those "sick perverts".
11:58 mixling; anyhow, child abuse is distinct from pedophilia;
11:59 mixling; question, why is child abuse conflated with euphemist terminology?
12:00 techuser; sexual child abuse < child abuse
12:00 mixling; i consider child abuse among the worst criminal offenses there is, any variant of it
12:01 techuser; depends
12:01 mixling; it doesn't, child abuse
12:01 techuser; what about killing a lot of humans, sometimes indirectly?
12:02 mixling; what about?
12:02 techuser; it is worse
12:03 techuser; I did appear at university chat. It turned out there is only one girl there. Some users started harassing her.
12:03 techuser; If sex is about harassment, it should be removed entirely
12:04 TR News; "SSH stands for Secure Shell and it is used widely as a means of accessing remote servers." https://vitux.com/ubuntu-ssh-key/ | Source: Vitux
12:04 TR Bot; SSH Keys in Ubuntu - VITUX
12:06 TR News; "I recently experienced another interesting problem in the Linux startup sequence that has a circumventionnot a solution" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/swappiness-startup-linux | Source: OpenSource.com
12:06 TR Bot; I troubleshoot swappiness and startup time on Linux | Opensource.com
12:06 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: that's terrible
12:06 schestowitz[TR]; on what basis was this harassment?
12:06 schestowitz[TR]; or of what nature?
12:06 TR News; "I'll walk you through where to download Hyperledger FireFly" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/blockchain-hyperledger-firefly | Source: OpenSource.com
12:06 TR Bot; source blockchain development: Get started with Hyperledger FireFly | Opensource.com
12:07 techuser; they just want to have sex with her it seems
12:07 techuser; and sometimes ask weird questions
12:07 techuser; I treat such activity as harassment
12:08 techuser; sex is privacy violation
12:09 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
12:09 schestowitz[TR]; I saw that once in a GNOME event in manchester
12:09 schestowitz[TR]; they did this to the partner of the organiser
12:09 schestowitz[TR]; and to my wife
12:09 schestowitz[TR]; asking inappropriate questions
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12:14 TR News; Mississippi https://www.democracynow.org/2022/9/12/jackson_mississippi_water_crisis_flood_treatment | Source: Democracy Now
12:14 TR Bot; Jacksons Water Crisis Comes After $90M Contract with Siemens to Overhaul System Ended Up a Disaster | Democracy Now!
12:15 TR News; Sell Buckingham Palace, pay people's gas bills. 'King' Charles can reside in his car. https://www.democracynow.org/2022/9/12/queen_elizabeth_dead_british_colonialism_africa
12:15 TR Bot; Dismantle the Commonwealth: Queen Elizabeths Death Prompts Reckoning with Colonial Past in Africa | Democracy Now!
12:16 TR News; "Master of a Drone System" https://digit.site36.net/2022/09/12/german-air-force-in-afghanistan-and-mali-drone-operator-reports-on-his-severe-trauma/ | Source: Site36
12:16 TR Bot; German Air Force in Afghanistan and Mali: Drone operator talks on his severe trauma Security Architectures in the EU
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12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:21 DaemonFC; The problem is that people like mjg59_ have re-defined sexual harassment to the point where the term doesn't man anything anymore.
12:21 DaemonFC; You could tell a woman "I like your shoes." or you could be Peter Bright. Same thing, right?
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12:23 schestowitz[TR]; in their eyes, Peter Brighht did nothing wrong
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; just fucking under 10s
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; no comment
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; no github pettiion
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; same for graveley strngling women
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; almost to death
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; while managing github stuff
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; nothing wrong, right?
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; no pettiion
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; not evvven a fuckin tweet!
12:24 DaemonFC; " Over the past 10 hours, Costco has sent me a total of 20 SMSes reminding me about my vaccination appointment that is still 14 hours away
12:24 DaemonFC; " - mjg59_
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; it would rattle the brigvades' maste
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; task:
12:24 DaemonFC; One for each CDC-recommended "booster".
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; check if mjg59_ ever posted ANYTHING about Gulag's Andy Rubin
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; ANYTHING
12:24 schestowitz[TR]; check
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; andry rubin: asks inferiors to give him blow jobs
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; rms: stares at people
12:25 DaemonFC; He doesn't shit on people who pay him.
12:25 schestowitz[TR]; guess which "jew" the twitter brigade went after
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12:26 TR News; "Nothing can justify the persistence of this fundamental abuse of human rights." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/12/50-million-people-are-trapped-modern-slavery-worldwide-report | Source: Common Dreams
12:26 TR Bot; 50 Million People Are Trapped in Modern Slavery Worldwide: Report
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12:26 schestowitz[TR]; coin-operated 'activists'
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; "start me up, Gulag!"
12:26 schestowitz[TR]; also check what mjg59_ wrote about gates
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; from@mjg59 "gates"
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; from:@mjg59 "gates"
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; I can't be bothered
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; see how he blasts gates
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; over epstein
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; or... NOT
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; like I said,
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; coin-operated!
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; like SJVN
12:27 schestowitz[TR]; the "coin-operated" zdnet 'journalist'
12:28 TR News; "fawning adulation of Queen Elizabeth in the United States" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/12/it-time-throw-monarchies-world-dustbin-history | Source: Common Dreams
12:28 TR Bot; Opinion | It Is Time to Throw the Monarchies of the World Into the Dustbin of History | Chris Hedges
12:28 TR News; Liz Trump https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/liz-truss-a-precarious-prime-minister-for-a-precarious-country/ | Source: Counter Punch
12:28 TR Bot; Truss: a Precarious Prime Minister for a Precarious Country - CounterPunch.org
12:29 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/
12:29 TR Bot; One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights
12:29 TR News; "Turkey is becoming a worldwide drone power" https://digit.site36.net/2022/09/12/cooperation-with-turkey-selenskyj-awards-medal-for-combat-drones/ | Source: Site36
12:29 TR Bot; Cooperation with Turkey: Selenskyj awards medal for combat drones Security Architectures in the EU
12:30 TR News; "Its a space for open culture and cultural heritage practitioners, advocates, and enthusiasts to share resources" https://creativecommons.org/2022/09/12/members-share-their-experiences-with-the-cc-open-culture-platform/ | Source: Creative Commons
12:30 TR Bot; Members Share Their Experiences with the CC Open Culture Platform - Creative Commons
12:30 schestowitz[TR]; activists like those
12:30 schestowitz[TR]; or sjvn
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; have a viginal hole at their back
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; near the spine
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; it says
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; "PLEASE INSERT COIN"
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; OIN
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; LF
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; ICBM
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; insert coin
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; he will sing
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; pay $150,000 salaries
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; and they will work to cancel people like RMS who don't have a salary
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; to help distract from Bill Gates
12:31 schestowitz[TR]; and protect his Cayman Island assets
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; no shill deed goes unrewarded
12:32 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
12:32 TR Bot; Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett | Techrights
12:32 TR News; ">By the early 20th century, Paris commanded control over much of West and Central Africa." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/frances-influence-in-africa-faces-strains-from-locals-and-foreign-competitors/ | Source: Counter Punch
12:32 TR Bot; Influence in Africa Faces Strains From Locals and Foreign Competitors - CounterPunch.org
12:32 TR News; The grizzly bears https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/conservation-groups-sue-to-protect-yellowstone-grizzly-bears-from-expanded-cattle-grazing/ | Source: Counter Punch
12:32 TR Bot; groups Sue to Protect Yellowstone Grizzly Bears From Expanded Cattle Grazing - CounterPunch.org
12:33 schestowitz[TR]; meanwhile some real activists get shit done
12:33 schestowitz[TR]; but they are tentatively painted with a target on their butt
12:33 schestowitz[TR]; by the coin-operated butt-chasing shills
12:33 schestowitz[TR]; waiting for dirt to pounce on or stockpiling some
12:33 schestowitz[TR]; like they did to RMS
12:34 TR News; Bolsonaro https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/bolsonaro-follows-trumps-script/ | Source: Counter Punch
12:34 TR Bot; Follows Trumps Script - CounterPunch.org
12:34 TR News; "criminal justice system" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/dissent-calls-out-appeals-court-new-york-prosecutor-for-denying-a-prisoner-his-right-to-challenge-his-conviction/ | Source: Techdirt
12:34 TR Bot; Calls Out Appeals Court, New York Prosecutor For Denying A Prisoner His Right To Challenge His Conviction | Techdirt
12:36 TR News; "I mean, of course. On Friday Elon Musk terminated his Twitter purchase for the third time." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/musk-tries-tries-again-with-yet-another-argument-for-how-he-can-get-out-of-buying-twitter-mudges-severance-package/ | Source: Techdirt
12:36 TR Bot; Tries, Tries Again With Yet Another Argument For How He Can Get Out Of Buying Twitter: Mudges Severance Package | Techdirt
12:36 TR News; "The United States is already a global leader in traffic-related fatalities" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/the-extreme-weight-of-large-electric-vehicles-is-going-to-be-a-very-dangerous-problem/ | Source: Techdirt
12:36 TR Bot; Extreme Weight Of Large Electric Vehicles Is Going To Be A Very Dangerous Problem | Techdirt
12:38 TR News; Weapons Industry https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/12/weapons-industry-taxpayer-scam | Source: Common Dreams; NOT just "traditional" weapons, also electronic: http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
12:38 TR Bot; Opinion | The Weapons Industry as a Taxpayer Scam | Julia Gledhill
12:38 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
12:39 TR News; Ehrenreich https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/how-barbara-ehrenreich-exposed-the-positive-thinking-industry/ | Source: Counter Punch
12:39 TR Bot; Barbara Ehrenreich Exposed the Positive Thinking Industry - CounterPunch.org
12:39 TR News; Star Log 2022-09-13 01:00 AKDT (Fairbanks, AK, US) gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20220913-0.gmi
12:40 TR News; Bill Gates isn't a m------er. He's not into moms.
12:41 TR News; In truly democratic societies people like these are put behind bars for life http://techrights.org/2020/06/13/bill-gates-not-a-liberal/
12:41 TR Bot; Quit Calling Bill Gates a Liberal | Techrights
12:42 TR News; Re: Sneakernets gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-09-13-re-sneakernets.gmi "I feel like we're not talking about the same things, though. I guess I was pretty vague about my thoughts even though I tried."
12:42 TR News; "On Free/Developed/Democratic etc Societies, Persecution, Criminals" gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-09-13-re-sneakernets.gmi
12:43 TR News; Comparing Aldous Harding to Kate Bush gemini://gemini.susa.net/harding_vs_bush.gmi
12:53 TR News; Big Myth https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/the-big-myth-about-inequality-it-just-happened/ | Source: Counter Punch
12:53 TR Bot; Big Myth About Inequality: It Just Happened! - CounterPunch.org
12:53 TR News; "This will also be a rare-old-time for paparazzi and the court correspondents of the tabloids" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/the-queen-is-dead/ | Source: Counter Punch
12:53 TR Bot; Queen Is Dead - CounterPunch.org
12:53 TR News; Economic Inequality https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/how-economic-inequality-drives-climate-change/ | Source: Counter Punch
12:53 TR Bot; Economic Inequality Drives Climate Change - CounterPunch.org
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12:59 TR News; Sloganeering https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/sloganeering-suicide-prevention-the-r-u-ok-movement/ | Source: Counter Punch
12:59 TR Bot; Suicide Prevention: the R U OK movement - CounterPunch.org
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 49.98 k/sec., IPFS upstream 44.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 174.05
13:01 schestowitz[TR]; christine is 71 https://fossforce.com/2022/09/monday-morning-how-a-command-prompt-and-edlin-made-me-a-computer-enthusiast/
13:01 TR Bot; Monday Morning: How a Command Prompt and Edlin Made Me a Computer Enthusiast - FOSS Force
13:01 schestowitz[TR]; "I didnt own a computer of my own until 1991, the year I turned 40"
13:01 TR News; Monday Morning: How a Command Prompt and Edlin Made Me a Computer Enthusiast - FOSS Force https://fossforce.com/2022/09/monday-morning-how-a-command-prompt-and-edlin-made-me-a-computer-enthusiast/ Source: Unicorn Media
13:02 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/5hClWqP.jpeg
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13:07 TR News; RMS is non-conformist (never was); that has been weaponised by a whole bunch of losers who try to signal to evil, murderous corporations that they're conformist and willing to cross the "heretic"
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13:08 TR News; CoCs are pledges of allegiance to the murderous people whose behaviour must never be questioned
13:09 TR News; CoCs create classes of people (the "ENFORCER/S") who are invulnerable to the Rule of Law. They ARE the law. http://techrights.org/2016/04/08/battistelli-epo-scorecard/
13:09 TR Bot; Busted Battistelli: EPO President Violating the EPOs Code of Conduct | Techrights
13:10 TR News; Code of Conduct (CoC) is a very old concept. It's an ENABLER OF CRIMES. http://techrights.org/2017/12/30/genesis-of-battistelli-code-of-conduct/
13:10 TR Bot; Raw: How and Why the EPO Code of Conduct (CoC) Came About | Techrights
13:12 TR News; It's not at all a coincidence that CoCs are most vigorously promoted by those who are salaried by the most heinous criminals in the world. They're protecting the criminals from critics. The sad thing is, most of them don't realise the extent to which they're being used. It's NOT about protecting minorities but about protecting the powerful.
13:13 TR News; A society forced to condone the crimes of some -- e.g. "royals" -- is not a society based upon any concept like Rule of the Law, to say the least
13:14 TR News; Code of Conduct (CoC) as proposed by criminals of the highest order in Europe. They even used the term CoC like a decade ago. http://techrights.org/2017/12/30/genesis-of-battistelli-code-of-conduct/
13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
13:20 TR News; "Qt for Android Automotive helps developers create visually stunning user interfaces and experiences for different in-car displays all with the same code base. Heres how." https://www.qt.io/blog/put-your-developers-in-the-driving-seat but they need to RE-liberate Qt :/
13:20 TR Bot; Put your developers in the driving seat
13:21 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
13:21 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
13:22 TR News; Microsoft-controlled bloat is a risk is it controls the Linux chain https://paulmck.livejournal.com/68136.html
13:22 TR Bot; Kangrejos 2022: The Rust for Linux Workshop: paulmck LiveJournal
13:22 TR News; Vssue: an Open-source Git-based Commenting system for Vue projects https://medevel.com/vssue/ Source: Medevel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//medevel.com/vssue/
13:22 TR Bot; Vssue: an Open-source Git-based Commenting system for Vue projects
13:27 TR News; (NEW): Picamera2 Python camera library for Raspberry Pi leverages libcamera open-source framework http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Picamera2_Python_camera_library_for_Raspberry_Pi_leverages_libc.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Picamera2_Python_camera_library_for_Raspberry_Pi_leverages_libc.gmi
13:27 TR Bot; Tux Machines Picamera2 Python camera library for Raspberry Pi leverages libcamera open-source framework
13:28 TR News; Jim Zemlin promotes virtual wallets https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/linux-foundation-announces-intent-to-form-openwallet-foundation/ https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-announces-openwallet-foundation-092123713.html wife's fraud: http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/zemlins-are-volatile/
13:28 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Announces an Intent to Form the OpenWallet Foundation - Linux Foundation
13:28 TR Bot; Linux Foundation announces the OpenWallet Foundation to develop interoperable digital wallets
13:28 TR Bot; After Defrauding People in New York Stock Exchange (Now Class Action for Securities Fraud) Jim Zemlins Wife Quits Bakkt to Dodge Liability | Techrights
13:28 TR News; 'Linux' Foundation: enabler of scams. greenwashing, openwashing... you name it... just stick the "LINUX" label on it.. for a FEE
13:33 TR News; Linuxwashing again by ICBM https://www.suse.com/c/security-sustainability-and-speed-introducing-the-ibm-linuxone-emperor-4/
13:33 TR Bot; Sustainability and Speed: Introducing the IBM LinuxONE Emperor 4 | SUSE Communities
13:33 TR News; These are proprietary, PATENTED, and VERY expensive https://venturebeat.com/data-infrastructure/ibm-upgrades-linux-mainframe-boosting-availability-and-ai-performance/ ICBM PR
13:33 TR Bot; upgrades Linux mainframe, boosting availability and AI performance | VentureBeat
13:34 TR News; (NEW): Linux Mint 21 Release Brings Reviewer a Welcome Reunion http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Linux_Mint_21_Release_Brings_Reviewer_a_Welcome_Reunion.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Linux_Mint_21_Release_Brings_Reviewer_a_Welcome_Reunion.gmi
13:34 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux Mint 21 Release Brings Reviewer a Welcome Reunion
13:34 TR News; In ICBM's lexicon "transformation" means vendor lock-in https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/digital-transformation-get-buy-in
13:34 TR Bot; Digital transformation: How to get buy-in | The Enterprisers Project
13:37 TR News; NPR is trying to normalise what many parents would deem obscene (but not the Gates family) http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
13:37 TR Bot; Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights
13:38 techuser; imho pedophilia will be normalized, be it good or bad
13:38 techuser; as a part of LGBT
13:39 schestowitz[TR]; is there any conenction?
13:40 techuser; "minor attracted person" as sexual orientation
13:40 TR News; (NEW): Fly-Pie: A Mouse-Centric GNOME Shell Menu Launcher for Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Fly_Pie_A_Mouse_Centric_GNOME_Shell_Menu_Launcher_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Fly_Pie_A_Mouse_Centric_GNOME_Shell_Menu_Launcher_for_Linux.gmi
13:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines Fly-Pie: A Mouse-Centric GNOME Shell Menu Launcher for Linux
13:41 schestowitz[TR]; techuser: never heard such a thing before
13:43 TR News; Mitchell Baker 'forgot' to mention his TEN YEARS in Salesforce, only mentions 5 years in some firm a long time before that. Mozilla = dishonest liars. They should change the logo to a snake in a circle. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/carlos-torres-mozillas-new-clo/
13:43 TR Bot; Announcing Carlos Torres, Mozillas new Chief Legal Officer
13:45 TR News; "A strange 1797 text with literary ambitions, written in Dexters personal eye dialect and entirely devoid of punctuation." https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/dexter-pickle/
13:45 TR Bot; Trimalchio in Newburyport: Timothy Dexters *A Pickle for the Knowing Ones* (1848) The Public Domain Review
13:46 TR News; [PATCH 0/5] platform/x86: dell: Add new dell-wmi-ddv driver - Armin Wolf https://lore.kernel.org/platform-driver-x86/20220912125342.7395-1-W_Armin@gmx.de/
13:46 TR Bot; [PATCH 0/5] platform/x86: dell: Add new dell-wmi-ddv driver - Armin Wolf
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13:50 TR News; Clickfraud SPAMNil Bhartiya now does some spammy "episodes" (PR spam) about IaC. Yes, "IaC" (yuck). How people feel about his online activities, which are in breach of terms of service and are funded by the Zemlins. http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/zemlins-are-volatile/ http://techrights.org/2022/06/08/lf-defrauding-clients/
13:50 TR Bot; New Lows: Linux Foundation Defrauding Clients | Techrights
13:50 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi
13:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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13:54 TR News; (NEW): Red Hat / IBM News and Noise (PR) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Red_Hat_IBM_News_and_Noise_PR.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Red_Hat_IBM_News_and_Noise_PR.gmi IBM shows young women in charge of mainframes http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Sexism
13:54 TR Bot; Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM News and Noise (PR)
13:54 TR Bot; IBM - Techrights
13:55 starstreak; techuser, thats right wing propaganda
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13:55 TR News; Mozilla is even less trustworthy than the CAs it forces all Web sites to use/adopt.
13:55 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: yeah
13:55 starstreak; the LGBTQ2+ want nothing to do with pedophiles
13:55 schestowitz[TR]; from what I can gather
13:56 schestowitz[TR]; zoophilia and pedophilia are often linked to homosexuality based on nothing
13:59 starstreak; its horrible that people do that
13:59 TR News; Malaysia's Venom GNU/Linux 4.0 is released https://venomlinux.org/ they need to DELETE Github (Microsoft's proprietary attack on us)
13:59 TR Bot; Venom Linux
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; it starts with,
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; "they brainwash the kids"
13:59 schestowitz[TR]; and then
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; "they want the kids"
14:00 TR News; THIS is what Linux NEEDS! | Kubuntu Focus 22.04 Impressions - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NxxYiiltRdc | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/NxxYiiltRdc
14:00 TR Bot; THIS is what Linux NEEDS! | Kubuntu Focus 22.04 Impressions - Invidious
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; something something kids
14:00 schestowitz[TR]; "argument won!"
14:01 starstreak; <schestowitz[TR]> something something kids <- pretty much
14:02 TR News; (NEW): Videos: Kubuntu Focus 22.04, Destination Linux, and Late Night Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Videos_Kubuntu_Focus_22_04_Destination_Linux_and_Late_Night_Lin.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Videos_Kubuntu_Focus_22_04_Destination_Linux_and_Late_Night_Lin.gmi
14:02 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Kubuntu Focus 22.04, Destination Linux, and Late Night Linux
14:02 schestowitz[TR]; that also creates a straw man that helps protect ACTUAL pedophiles
14:09 TR News; This might creep into Linux soon: "TrenchBoot is meant to be a universal framework to enable building integrity in the launch process of systems. To relate to real world usage, it is good to have a set of use cases that explain a subset of situations where TrenchBoot is applicable and how it would work in those situations." Backed by CIA Oracle :/ https://trenchboot.org/documentation/UseCases/
14:09 TR Bot; UseCases - TrenchBoot
14:10 TR News; The Way Forward for K8s Security: Eliminate Standing Privileges - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/the-way-forward-for-k8s-security-eliminate-standing-privileges/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//containerjournal.com/features/the-way-forward-for-k8s-security-eliminate-standing-privileges/
14:10 TR Bot; The Way Forward for K8s Security: Eliminate Standing Privileges - Container Journal
14:10 TR News; (NEW): Simon Boaks SB116 is a TI Programmer-inspired DIY calculator http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Simon_Boak_s_SB116_is_a_TI_Programmer_inspired_DIY_calculator.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Simon_Boak_s_SB116_is_a_TI_Programmer_inspired_DIY_calculator.gmi
14:10 TR Bot; Tux Machines Simon Boaks SB116 is a TI Programmer-inspired DIY calculator
14:12 TR News; Charmed Kubeflow 1.6: whats new? | Ubuntu https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/08/Kubeflow_1_6.shtml
14:12 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kubeflow 1.6 (UPDATED)
14:15 TR News; This is a marketing lie: "96% of organizations either using or evaluating Kubernetes"... what organizations? Who gets counted? Fortune 500? And where? https://www.suse.com/c/suse-rancher-and-komodor-continuous-kubernetes-reliability/
14:15 TR Bot; Rancher and Komodor - Continuous Kubernetes Reliability | SUSE Communities
14:15 TR News; (UPDATED): Kubeflow 1.6 (UPDATED) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/08/Kubeflow_1_6.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/08/Kubeflow_1_6.gmi
14:15 TR Bot; Tux Machines Kubeflow 1.6 (UPDATED)
14:18 TR News; "They want the ISP to take down misbehaving / spamming actors on their network. One could theoretically pay them to remove an ASN block for.. $485. But once a single IP address spams again, they'll add it back to their block list and keep the money." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-02-26-moving-off-self-hosted-email.html
14:18 TR Bot; Moving off self hosted email
14:19 TR News; "The money was laundered through the Tornado Cash mixer." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/09/fbi-seizes-stolen-cryptocurrencies.html
14:19 TR Bot; Seizes Stolen Cryptocurrencies - Schneier on Security
14:19 TR News; (NEW): Peazip: A Modern File Manager and Archive Tool for Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Peazip_A_Modern_File_Manager_and_Archive_Tool_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Peazip_A_Modern_File_Manager_and_Archive_Tool_for_Linux.gmi
14:19 TR Bot; Tux Machines Peazip: A Modern File Manager and Archive Tool for Linux
14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
14:20 TR News; Gitnet hberge vos pages statiques Gitnet hberge vos pages statiques
14:21 TR News; "The game involves stepping on a dancing stage with up, down, left and right panels similar to DanceDance Revolution, but it also features a center panel, bringing the total number of inputs per side to five." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202209/20220913-stepmaniax.gmi
14:24 TR News; "Sooooooo this was something that happened." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/court-dumps-trump-lawsuit-claiming-hillary-clinton-rigged-the-2016-election-he-actually-won/ | Source: Techdirt
14:24 TR Bot; Dumps Trump Lawsuit Claiming Hillary Clinton Rigged The 2016 Election He Actually Won | Techdirt
14:24 TR News; "Hany Farid is a computer science professor at Berkeley. Here he is insisting that his students should all delete Facebook and YouTube" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/fearmongering-cs-professor-insists-that-californias-design-code-is-nothing-to-worry-about-hes-wrong/ | Source: Techdirt
14:24 TR Bot; CS Professor Insists That Californias Design Code Is Nothing To Worry About. Hes Wrong | Techdirt
14:25 TR News; "To be clear, the shift from traditional cable television to streaming TV has been a very good thing." No, not quite. DRM and "you own nothing" is NOT progress. Cannot even make COPIES (no VCR) https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/youre-living-in-the-true-golden-age-of-television-enjoy-it-because-its-about-to-end/ | Source: Techdirt
14:25 TR Bot; Living In The True Golden Age Of Television. Enjoy It, Because Its About To End. | Techdirt
14:26 MinceR; https://i.ibb.co/crymYRq/IMG-20220913-040447-009.jpg
14:28 TR News; Social control media is toxic crap. We should collectively abandon it to solve this issue. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/eff-asks-ninth-circuit-to-toss-two-stupid-lawsuits-claiming-federal-government-is-moderating-social-media-users/ | Source: Techdirt
14:28 TR Bot; Asks Ninth Circuit To Toss Two Stupid Lawsuits Claiming Federal Government Is Moderating Social Media Users | Techdirt
14:29 XRevan86; MinceR: "Ye didn't but the remote e-voting system did"
14:30 TR News; "'King' Charles III has had an unusually protracted apprenticeship." https://www.thenation.com/article/world/king-charles-monarchy-adaptable/ | Source: The Nation
14:30 TR Bot; God Save Us From the King | The Nation
14:31 TR News; DNC takes bribes too. The Bill Gates-bribed publishers want you to think it's a "right-wing" things and ignore the vastly bigger corruption by Gates https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/dnc-debate-ban-dark-money/ | Source: The Nation
14:31 TR Bot; The DNC Moves to Block Debate on Dark Money, but We Wont Quit | The Nation
14:33 TR News; "major chunk of federal student debt" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/12/canceling-all-student-debt-would-cost-about-much-pentagons-f-35-boondoggle | Source: Common Dreams
14:33 TR Bot; Opinion | Canceling All Student Debt Would Cost About as Much as The Pentagon's F-35 Boondoggle | Ashik Siddique
14:33 TR News; "Many workers remain unsatisfied with the compromise proposed last month by President Joe Biden's appointed arbitrators" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/12/workers-are-angry-looming-us-railroad-strike-puts-pressure-biden | Source: Common Dreams
14:33 TR Bot; 'Workers Are Angry': Looming US Railroad Strike Puts Pressure on Biden
14:34 TR News; "Astonishingly, citizen leaders for years have been marginalized to their and the Democratic politicians disadvantage." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/democrats-to-win-in-november-listen-to-the-messages-of-citizen-groups/ | Source: Counter Punch
14:34 TR Bot; To Win in November Listen to the Messages of Citizen Groups - CounterPunch.org
14:36 TR News; UK: from "eat or heat" to "FUNERAL AND CORONATION"
14:42 TR News; More inflation, except for the rich, who exploited that for more land grab https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/12/inflation-eases-its-time-fed-pause-rate-hikes | Source: Common Dreams
14:42 TR Bot; Opinion | As Inflation Eases, It's Time for Fed to Pause on Rate Hikes | Joseph Stiglitz
14:42 TR News; "Union-busting is disgusting" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/12/disgusting-starbucks-help-its-workers-student-debt-unless-theyre-union | Source: Common Dreams
14:42 TR Bot; 'Disgusting': Starbucks to Help Its Workers With Student DebtUnless They're in a Union
14:43 TR News; "If the Legislature were to be successful in Moore v. Harper, it could threaten the state court's ability to provide this crucial check on the legislative branch." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/12/experts-warn-supreme-court-supporting-dangerous-gop-legal-theory-could-destroy-us | Source: Common Dreams
14:43 TR Bot; Experts Warn Supreme Court Supporting 'Dangerous' GOP Legal Theory Could Destroy US Democracy
14:44 TR News; TechnoMetrica Institute of Policy and Politics (TIPP) https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/12/young-americans-approval-biden-soars-after-he-announces-student-debt-cancellation | Source: Common Dreams
14:44 TR Bot; Young Americans' Approval of Biden Soars After He Announces Student Debt Cancellation
14:44 TR News; FSB https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/12/fsb-stages-murder-of-two-russian-occupation-officials | Source: Meduza
14:44 TR Bot; NO TITLE
14:45 TR News; "Nearly two dozen municipal deputies in Moscow and St. Petersburg have signed a petition demanding Vladimir Putins resignation" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/12/municipal-deputies-in-moscow-and-st-petersburg-demand-putin-s-resignation | Source: Meduza
14:45 TR Bot; NO TITLE
14:45 TR News; "police are checking one of Ksenia Sobchak's channels for a violation of the law" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/12/ksenia-sobchak-allegedly-being-checked-for-violation-of-gay-propaganda-law | Source: Meduza
14:45 TR Bot; NO TITLE
14:46 TR News; Freedom of Information, Hungary under Orban's fascism/fideath https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/12/hungarian-figure-skater-vivien-papp-to-compete-for-another-country-as-too-many-russian-skaters-are-added-to-hungarys-team | Source: Telex (Hungary)
14:46 TR Bot; Telex: Hungarian figure skater Vivien Papp to compete for another country as too many Russian skaters added to Hungarys team
14:47 TR News; "We publish regular reports about what we have been able to do thanks to our readers support." https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/12/how-strong-is-telex-what-have-we-achieved-so-far | Source: Telex (Hungary)
14:47 TR Bot; Telex: How strong is Telex? What have we achieved so far?
14:48 TR News; The crime is the WAR, not CONDEMNING the war https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/12/multiple-russian-voters-charged-with-discrediting-the-army-after-writing-anti-war-slogans-on-ballots | Source: Meduza
14:48 TR Bot; NO TITLE
14:54 TR News; "The European Astro Pi Challenge is back for another year" https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/the-european-astro-pi-challenge-is-back-for-2022-23/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
14:54 TR Bot; The European Astro Pi Challenge is back for 2022/23 - Raspberry Pi
14:55 TR News; Texas https://thedissenter.org/us-labor-department-texas-newspaper-fire-worker/ | Source: The Dissenter
14:55 TR Bot; Reporter Allegedly Fired For Complaining About Bugs
14:56 TR News; "Contractors Cash in as Congress Adds Billions to the Pentagon Budget." https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/spending-unlimited/ | Source: Scheerpost http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
14:56 TR Bot; Unlimited scheerpost.com
14:56 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
14:56 TR News; "Economist Dr. Richard Wolff joins Lowkey where he exposes ways economic policy can be a code term used by the political establishment for class war" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/richard-wolff-sanctions-against-russia-inflation-and-class-war/ | Source: Scheerpost
14:56 TR Bot; Wolff: Sanctions Against Russia, Inflation and Class War scheerpost.com
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15:02 TR News; "Betsy Gomez is coordinator for the Banned Books Week Coalition." https://www.projectcensored.org/banned-books-week-2022/ | Source: Project Censored
15:02 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/banned-books-week-2022/ )
15:03 TR News; Long besieged by Famous Criminal Bill Gates https://truthout.org/articles/seattle-teachers-strike-for-smaller-classes-higher-pay-and-special-ed-support/ | Source: TruthOut
15:03 TR Bot; Seattle Teachers Strike for Smaller Classes, Higher Pay and Special Ed Support
15:04 TR News; SCOTUS history https://truthout.org/articles/the-supreme-court-wont-save-us-it-was-founded-to-defend-white-supremacy/ | Source: TruthOut
15:04 TR Bot; The Supreme Court Wont Save Us -- It Was Founded to Defend White Supremacy
15:05 TR News; Oregon https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/under-oregon-skies/ | Source: Counter Punch
15:05 TR Bot; Oregon Skies - CounterPunch.org
15:05 TR News; Jacksons privatisation begets health crisis https://truthout.org/video/corporate-involvement-in-jacksons-infrastructure-set-stage-for-its-water-crisis/ | Source: TruthOut
15:05 TR Bot; Corporate Involvement in Jackson's Infrastructure Set Stage for Its Water Crisis
15:06 TR News; The nurses want to do their job, not be corporate shills https://truthout.org/articles/15000-minnesota-nurses-wage-largest-private-sector-nurses-strike-in-us-history/ | Source: TruthOut
15:06 TR Bot; 15,000 Minnesota Nurses Wage Largest Private Sector Nurses Strike in US History
15:08 TR News; Chris Hedges: Monarchs Belong in the Dustbin of History https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/chris-hedges-monarchs-belong-in-the-dustbin-of-history/ | Source: Scheerpost
15:08 TR Bot; Hedges: Monarchs Belong in the Dustbin of History scheerpost.com
15:09 TR News; Apple pandering to idiots and EFF pandering to Apple in "Bay Area"; EFF become a hipsters' cargo cult (ALL these devices spy a lot, but that does not bother EFF) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/effs-cover-your-tracks-will-detect-your-use-ios-16s-lockdown-mode | Source: EFF
15:09 TR Bot; EFFs Cover Your Tracks Will Detect Your Use of iOS 16s Lockdown Mode | Electronic Frontier Foundation
15:11 TR News; CNC https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/testing-an-inexpensive-cnc-spindle/ | Source: Hackaday
15:11 TR Bot; An Inexpensive CNC Spindle | Hackaday
15:12 TR News; "Audiophiles will go to such extents to optimize the quality of their audio chain that they sometimes defy parody." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/equalize-your-listening-with-hifiscan/ | Source: Hackaday
15:12 TR Bot; Your Listening With HiFiScan | Hackaday
15:12 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/254981
15:12 TR Bot; AFU counteroffensive update: 6,000 km of liberated territories, blackouts in Kharkiv, losses of elite Russian forces
15:12 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/12/armenian-mod-reports-azerbaijani-shelling-of-goris-and-jermuk-baku-claims-responding-to-sabotage-news "Armenian MoD reports Azerbaijani shelling of Goris and Jermuk, Baku claims 'responding to sabotage"
15:12 TR Bot; .
15:12 TR News; Mississippi Privatisation/Privateering https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/mark-fiore-exceptions-to-american-exceptionalism/ | Source: Scheerpost
15:12 TR Bot; Fiore: Exceptions to American Exceptionalism scheerpost.com
15:12 schestowitz[TR]; what makes them "elite"?
15:13 schestowitz[TR]; better uniform?
15:13 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/13/ukraines-armed-forces-claim-to-have-shot-down-russia-purchased-iranian-drone-shahed-136-for-the-first-time-news "Ukraines Armed Forces claim to have shot down Russia-purchased Iranian drone Shahed-136 for the first time"
15:13 TR Bot; .
15:13 schestowitz[TR]; Russian TV: it didn't happen
15:14 schestowitz[TR]; it was a NATO machine gun that took down the pla... drone
15:14 schestowitz[TR]; loner: "according to Russian media.."
15:14 TR News; Arduino Nano https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/arduino-nano-powers-reverse-polish-notation-calculator/ | Source: Hackaday
15:14 TR Bot; Nano Powers Reverse Polish Notation Calculator | Hackaday
15:15 XRevan86; schestowitz: Losses of NATO elite forces
15:15 TR News; "Git is a wonderful tool that can multiply your projects impact, or make your project easier to manage by an order of magnitude." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/13/with-a-little-heat-printed-parts-handle-vacuum-duty/ | Source: Hackaday
15:15 TR Bot; A Little Heat, Printed Parts Handle Vacuum Duty | Hackaday
15:15 XRevan86; schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Guards_Tank_Army
15:15 TR Bot; 1st Guards Tank Army - Wikipedia
15:16 XRevan86; It's wrecked.
15:17 schestowitz[TR]; many mamas will cry
15:17 schestowitz[TR]; putin won't step down
15:18 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> Putin's ego fell off https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09/13/heavy-losses-for-ukraine-the-feats-of-russian-soldiers-and-fake-news-from-kyiv | Source: Meduza
15:18 TR Bot; NO TITLE
15:18 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/255001
15:18 TR Bot; Istories: Moscow region teachers asked for donations to buy underpants and socks for Russian soldiers
15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
15:22 TR News; The Big Myth About Inequality https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/the-big-myth-about-inequality-it-just-happened/ | Source: Scheerpost
15:22 TR Bot; Big Myth About Inequality: It Just Happened! scheerpost.com
15:24 TR News; Git https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/git-intro-for-hardware-hackers/ | Source: Hackaday
15:24 TR Bot; Intro For Hardware Hackers | Hackaday
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; XRevan86: sounds like The Onion
15:24 schestowitz[TR]; when they have their socks blown off
15:25 TR News; ICBM, the OTHER dinosaur that lives on by grifting (taking from taxpayers) https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/the-hunt-for-a-rare-version-of-ibms-os-2/ | Source: Hackaday
15:25 TR Bot; Hunt For A Rare Version Of IBMs OS/2 | Hackaday
15:26 TR News; Labor Activists https://truthout.org/articles/labor-activists-senate-candidates-should-support-pro-act-or-get-out-of-congress/ | Source: TruthOut
15:26 TR Bot; Labor Activists: Senate Candidates Should Support PRO Act or Get Out of Congress
15:27 TR News; "Even if youre just making a brief hop over the Krmn line to gain a few minutes of weightlessness, getting to space is hard." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/blue-origin-loses-rocket-gains-abort-system-test/ | Source: Hackaday
15:27 TR Bot; Origin Loses Rocket, Gains Abort System Test | Hackaday
15:27 TR News; "Additional research demonstrates that pleasant music can reduce activity in the brains amygdala" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/stick-to-your-guns-no-stick-to-your-songs/ | Source: Counter Punch
15:27 TR Bot; to Your Guns? No, Stick to Your Songs - CounterPunch.org
15:28 TR News; "Well start off with a few minutes talking about CC and some current topics and then open the floor for anything youd like to chat about" https://creativecommons.org/2022/09/12/open-office-hours-with-ccs-legal-team/ | Source: Creative Commons
15:28 TR Bot; Open Office Hours with CC's Legal Team - Creative Commons
15:38 TR News;
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15:38 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
15:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
15:42 TR News; (NEW): Security and Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Security_and_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Security_and_Leftovers.gmi
15:42 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security and Leftovers
15:45 TR News; Links 13/09/2022: LinuxOne Emperor 4 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/linuxone-emperor-4/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/13/linuxone-emperor-4/
15:45 TR Bot; Links 13/09/2022: LinuxOne Emperor 4 | Techrights
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15:52 TR News; BDIRSTU Wordo: TABOR gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-09-13.gmi
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16:05 TR News; The founders of EFF care about the MISSION of EFF. The people currently in charge, however, seem to care only about money they can raise by milking to brand. Also compare Torvalds to Zemlin.
16:12 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/13/crimean-restaurant-shut-down-for-review-after-famous-ukrainian-song-was-played-at-wedding-news "Crimean restaurant shut down for review after famous Ukrainian song was played at wedding"
16:12 TR Bot; .
16:13 XRevan86; https://independent.co.uk/news/b2166358.html
16:13 TR Bot; President: Kazakhstan's capital will again be called Astana | The Independent
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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16:57 TR News; Steam Decks Huge Booth at the Tokyo Games Show 2022: First Look and Line-Up Announced - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/steam-decks-booth-at-the-tgs2022-first-look-and-line-up-announced/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/steam-decks-booth-at-the-tgs2022-first-look-and-line-up-announced/
16:57 TR Bot; Steam Deck's Huge Booth at the Tokyo Games Show 2022: First Look and Line-Up Announced - Boiling Steam
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 41.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 180.38
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17:01 XRevan86; https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569712907604082688
17:01 TR Bot; Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "As the Kremlin claims not to be considering nationwide mobilization, multiple experts and pundits on state TV admit that it is needed, but would be next to impossible to implement. Here is one example:"|nitter.it
17:02 TR News; Now come the shallow, preplanned and prepaid puff pieces https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/12/Facebook_Openwashing_via_the_Linux_Foundation.shtml
17:02 TR Bot; Tux Machines Facebook Openwashing via the Linux Foundation (UPDATED)
17:03 TR News; (NEW): Fedora Linux 37 Beta Released with GNOME 43, Official Raspberry Pi 4 Support http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Fedora_Linux_37_Beta_Released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Fedora_Linux_37_Beta_Released.gmi
17:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines Fedora Linux 37 Beta Released with GNOME 43, Official Raspberry Pi 4 Support
17:06 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> christine is 71 <- good
17:06 highest_cubist_thrills; i wont keep my fingers crossed, the devil takes care of his own
17:08 TR News; "If you ever posted a question to our Support Forum, you may be familiar with a contributor named FredMcD. Fred was one of the most active contributors in Mozilla Support, and for many years remains one of our core contributors." https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2022/09/12/tribute-to-fredmcd/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla
17:08 TR Bot; Tribute to FredMcD The Mozilla Support Blog
17:08 TR Bot; Mozilla - Techrights
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17:10 TR News; Rant: Phoronix keeps linking to Microsoft GitHub for projects that are only MIRRORED there. Why not link to the ORIGINAL???
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17:12 TR News; ...And today's stories in Phoronix have no actual substance. It's just "there was this presentation", this was this git commit. All articles combined today attracted just 10 comments. To be fair, new IS slow.
17:14 TR News; Dedicate your time and devote your life to Firefox users, get a tribute page... only when you die: https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2022/09/12/tribute-to-fredmcd/ destroy Mozilla for Gulag Inc. (Baker), deposit $15,000,000 in the bank while firing many hundreds of engineers
17:17 TR News; LibreOffice has become very German/Italian and OSI has become increasingly Italian. Both badmouth the FSF. This clique is not trustworthy and has resorted to collective punishment against all Russians. How do you say "Drain the swamp" in Italian?
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17:18 TR News; OSI has become a PISA Microsoft. get it? http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/osi-budget-for-proprietary-software-monopoly/
17:18 TR Bot; In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights
17:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
17:22 TR News; How to Create a Calendar Server With Baikal https://www.maketecheasier.com/create-calendar-server-baikal/
17:22 TR Bot; How to Create a Calendar Server With Baikal - Make Tech Easier
17:23 TR News; xkcd: What If? 2 Flowchart https://xkcd.com/2672/
17:23 TR Bot; What If? 2 Flowchart
17:29 TR News; Enterprise Linux Security Episode 41 - Important CISO Focus Areas - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gLDQBIzkeYE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/gLDQBIzkeYE
17:29 TR Bot; Enterprise Linux Security Episode 41 - Important CISO Focus Areas - Invidious
17:29 TR News; Testing the CalDigit TS4 Thundebolt Dock on Linux (Quick Review) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0GGYs8uLIJ4 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/0GGYs8uLIJ4
17:29 TR Bot; Testing the CalDigit TS4 Thundebolt Dock on Linux (Quick Review) - Invidious
17:30 TR News; Linuxfx 11.2.22.04.2 overview | Fast, stable and very safe - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=S_LyvChIdlA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/S_LyvChIdlA
17:30 TR Bot; Linuxfx 11.2.22.04.2 overview | Fast, stable and very safe - Invidious
17:31 TR News; Terra Ventura | Linux Game - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=n1whuVJBRCs | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/n1whuVJBRCs
17:31 TR Bot; Terra Ventura | Linux Game - Invidious
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17:35 MinceR; 13 152913 < XRevan86> MinceR: "Ye didn't but the remote e-voting system did"
17:35 MinceR; often they don't even pretend that much
17:44 TR News; Red Hat failing to acknowledge a lot of its staff, managers included, is fleeing https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/how-red-hat-approaching-future-work
17:44 TR Bot; How Red Hat is approaching the future of work
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17:55 geert; i do get to consider it sad how many peeps rather seem to want to attack gnu than try help it
17:56 MinceR; "can _anyone_ help you?"
17:57 geert; MinceR :)
17:57 geert; still struggling with what you call failfox?
17:58 geert; some just try to compete man, and yea, sloppy imperfect descisions are made there in the dev path
17:58 MinceR; no, i used failfox very little this year
17:58 geert; what would you actually consider better browser then?
17:58 MinceR; failfox used to be the best damn web browser there is
17:59 MinceR; then they decided to toss out the old API for extensions, copy the chrome GUI and then they tried to force poetteringaudio on users
17:59 geert; decisions* sorry i should try more to improve my english application
17:59 MinceR; and now it's an inferior clone of chrome
17:59 MinceR; as a "modern" browser, i prefer chromium, and to that i prefer brave
17:59 geert; what about ungoogled chrome?
17:59 MinceR; for more lightweight stuff, there's links and linkx
18:00 MinceR; i don't know ungoogled chromium, i don't think my OS-es offer it very much
18:00 geert; and i think you go a bit far saying firefox would have become nothing but a clone of chrome
18:00 TR News; Fedora 37 Beta links https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/12/Fedora_Beta_Clown_Computing_and_OpenShift.shtml
18:00 TR Bot; Tux Machines Fedora Beta, Clown Computing, and OpenShift
18:00 MinceR; _maybe_ openbsd's patches to chromium do something similar, i don't know
18:00 geert; its not what it was, but its wholly different than a clone of chrome i guess
18:00 MinceR; no, i'm saying failfox became _worse_ than a clone of chrome
18:00 MinceR; and i didn't even mention their idiotic trademark policy
18:01 geert; well i kind of get to see where you coming from
18:01 geert; *sigh*
18:01 MinceR; does ungoogled chromium do something about gulag fucking with the API for content blockers?
18:01 geert; i cant deny quite some stuff you mention
18:01 geert; github might get you some insight in ungoogled chrome, not particularly uninteresting
18:01 MinceR; brave has its own native ad blocker, that can help
18:01 geert; i get to run it some while now, actually i think its better effert than many
18:02 geert; i didnt even get to try brave yet, maybe its time to change that
18:02 geert; MinceR no, its more of stripped chromium
18:03 geert; effort*
18:03 TR News; "We're getting prepared for the imminent release of Godot 4.0 beta 1, and to do so we're having a (last?) alpha 17 release to ensure that things work as best as we can reasonably expect before the beta phase." https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-17
18:03 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 17
18:04 TR News; Tin Hearts: A Modern Day Lemmings with a Soothing Story - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/tin-hearts/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/tin-hearts/
18:04 TR Bot; Tin Hearts: A Modern Day Lemmings with a Soothing Story - Boiling Steam
18:06 TR News; Mass DNA Collection in the Tibet Autonomous Region from 20162022 - The Citizen Lab https://citizenlab.ca/2022/09/mass-dna-collection-in-the-tibet-autonomous-region/ Source: Citizen Lab | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//citizenlab.ca/2022/09/mass-dna-collection-in-the-tibet-autonomous-region/
18:06 TR Bot; Mass DNA Collection in the Tibet Autonomous Region from 20162022 - The Citizen Lab
18:07 TR News; ADPPA vs GDPR: how does the proposed US law compare to EU privacy standards? https://www.techradar.com/features/adppa-vs-gdpr-how-does-the-proposed-us-law-compare-to-eu-privacy-standards
18:07 TR Bot; vs GDPR: how does the proposed US law compare to EU privacy standards? | TechRadar
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18:18 starstreak; firefox is awesome
18:19 TR News; "understanding of how Open Source principals could or should apply" Who is the principal? At OSI it is Microsoft because OSI has no PRINCIPLES https://blog.opensource.org/episode-5-why-debian-wont-distribute-ai-models-any-time-soon/ http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/osi-budget-for-proprietary-software-monopoly/
18:19 TR Bot; Episode 5: Why Debian wont distribute AI models any time soon - Voices of Open Source
18:19 TR Bot; In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights
18:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:26 TR News; (NEW): Alternative MPD clients to GMPC http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Alternative_MPD_clients_to_GMPC.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Alternative_MPD_clients_to_GMPC.gmi
18:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Alternative MPD clients to GMPC
18:26 TR News; (NEW): Video and Audio: Games, Distros, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Video_and_Audio_Games_Distros_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Video_and_Audio_Games_Distros_and_More.gmi
18:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines Video and Audio: Games, Distros, and More
18:26 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.3.gmi
18:26 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
18:28 geert; starstreak well MinceR is not just talking shit when mentioning some development routes
18:29 geert; its not a clone of chrome etc. but he get to mention some points
18:29 geert; just competing doesnt feel so easy to many peoples and however competing shouldnt be first priority, it seems like mozilla really doesnt wana lose 'lots of ground' so to speak
18:30 MinceR; well, their extension API is practically the same as chrome's and their UI looked a lot like chrome's not long ago
18:30 MinceR; they've mixed up the UI a bit, i'm not sure if i like it
18:30 geert; thats called procrastination it seems :)
18:37 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> firefox is awesome <- the authors are all cunts and the project is a scam
18:38 highest_cubist_thrills; its not even software anymore, its just lie-braries
18:38 highest_cubist_thrills; the ceo/president/mdfl is a criminal
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; not to mention the whole thing was a prototype for cancel culture
18:39 highest_cubist_thrills; and part of the coup
18:40 geert; well you appear a little bit affected by grumpiness regarding firefox so to speak
18:40 geert; you dont necessarily need to refuse see all possibilities because you got to figure something about difficulties
18:40 highest_cubist_thrills; and they lie about everything
18:40 highest_cubist_thrills; "we care about your privacy"
18:40 highest_cubist_thrills; says the fucking nsa
18:41 MinceR; we have every reason to be grumpy about failfox and mozilla
18:41 highest_cubist_thrills; no you dont, youre fucking liars
18:41 highest_cubist_thrills; "if you work for mozilla... kill yourselves"-- bill hicks
18:41 geert; yea quite some toxic things are going on
18:41 highest_cubist_thrills; it isnt a joke
18:41 geert; i didnt say you're just joking like that
18:42 geert; but i think you kind of get to focus to the darker sides, i think its better to try see potential
18:42 geert; but they shouldnt lie, also about the privacy
18:42 starstreak; Brandon Eich is a homophobe
18:42 highest_cubist_thrills; thats true
18:42 highest_cubist_thrills; hes also in a cult
18:43 highest_cubist_thrills; which doesnt get him off the hook
18:43 geert; not everybody got much digital experience, some of em get to think its reliable at point of privacy etc. where there comes MUCH more to it to seriously secure privacy
18:43 starstreak; which is why i stopped using brave
18:43 highest_cubist_thrills; but as homophobes go, hes probably one of the lesser ones
18:43 highest_cubist_thrills; i actually participated in the axe eich debacle
18:43 starstreak; browsers are just malware bootloaders
18:43 highest_cubist_thrills; on the axe eich side
18:44 highest_cubist_thrills; it wasnt a proud moment and i do regret it
18:45 highest_cubist_thrills; it only paved the way for people who were much worse
18:45 highest_cubist_thrills; like there was nothing good about saddam, they took him out and replaced him with much worse
18:45 highest_cubist_thrills; its not like id vote for him
18:46 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont like torvalds-- they took him out and replaced him with gkh
18:46 highest_cubist_thrills; not better
18:46 MinceR; and why couldn't mozilla find anyone _competent_ to replace Eich with?
18:46 highest_cubist_thrills; because eich WAS competent
18:46 MinceR; is it too much to ask?
18:46 highest_cubist_thrills; as competent as anyone trying to make a web browser
18:46 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> is it too much to ask? <- they didnt think that far / didnt care
18:46 schestowitz[TR]; they lpuit shaver in charge
18:46 highest_cubist_thrills; perhaps i should say we
18:47 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2009/05/31/microsoft-changes-firefox-software/
18:47 TR Bot; Microsoft Accused of Sabotaging Firefox | Techrights
18:47 schestowitz[TR]; Mozilla vice president of engineering Mike Shaver (2010) http://techrights.org/2010/01/27/mozilla-for-theora/
18:47 TR Bot; Mozilla is Fighting for Us | Techrights
18:47 schestowitz[TR]; chrome was quite new back then
18:48 highest_cubist_thrills; interim leaders dont count
18:48 highest_cubist_thrills; theyre just there to stop people from saying "they replaced him with baker"
18:48 highest_cubist_thrills; which is much more true
18:48 highest_cubist_thrills; interim leaders are a dmz / neutral zone
18:49 highest_cubist_thrills; knauth
18:49 highest_cubist_thrills; though in iraq they put in someone from the bush oil dynasty
18:49 highest_cubist_thrills; and he went from interim to "elected" leader
18:49 highest_cubist_thrills; so that doesnt fit this pattern, its different
18:49 highest_cubist_thrills; but true interim (only interim) leaders dont count
18:50 highest_cubist_thrills; also, ive never heard of shaver
18:50 highest_cubist_thrills; how important can he be
18:50 highest_cubist_thrills; or did he put in baker
18:50 highest_cubist_thrills; idk/c
18:50 highest_cubist_thrills; baker is the charlatan / head of the coup now
18:50 highest_cubist_thrills; the one milking a non-profit like a fraud
18:51 highest_cubist_thrills; mozilla never had a worse person
18:52 TR News; OIN is Not the Answer and the Real Issue Is Software Patents | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/zdnet-swpats-sjvn/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/13/zdnet-swpats-sjvn/
18:52 TR Bot; OIN is Not the Answer and the Real Issue Is Software Patents | Techrights
18:52 TR News; AMD dumping a bunch of binary blobs on Linux. Soooooooo open. https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git
18:52 TR Bot; kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git - Repository of firmware blobs for use with the Linux kernel
18:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i use a browser downstream from mozilla
18:53 highest_cubist_thrills; id still be thrilled to watch it burn
18:53 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, tor browser
18:53 highest_cubist_thrills; the sooner the better
18:56 starstreak; there is that other browser coming soon
18:57 starstreak; https://awesomekling.github.io/Ladybird-a-new-cross-platform-browser-project/
18:57 TR Bot; Ladybird: A new cross-platform browser project Andreas Kling I like computers!
18:57 highest_cubist_thrills; another toy from microsoft
18:57 starstreak; its not from microsoft
18:57 highest_cubist_thrills; so many browsers
18:57 highest_cubist_thrills; none of which will give you control of your computing
18:57 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> its not from microsoft <- of course it is
18:57 starstreak; oh github lol
18:58 highest_cubist_thrills; the only place to get software
18:58 highest_cubist_thrills; hell. microsoft had less of a monopoly in the 90s
18:58 mjg59_; > < techrights-news> AMD dumping a bunch of binary blobs on Linux. Soooooooo open.
18:58 highest_cubist_thrills; in the 2000s i was replacing windows component-by-component with things microsoft didnt control
18:59 highest_cubist_thrills; you cant even do that now
18:59 mjg59_; And yet you use hardware that requires non-free firmware. Curious.
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 29.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 135.43
18:59 highest_cubist_thrills; mjg is like the hanuman of goalposts
18:59 starstreak; ok so i might as well just run microsoft software?
18:59 highest_cubist_thrills; he can move anything
18:59 starstreak; microsoft edge for linux
19:00 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> ok so i might as well just run microsoft software? <- no, there are two points here
19:00 highest_cubist_thrills; 1. its always better to try
19:00 highest_cubist_thrills; 2. worse than doing nothing is making excuses for doing whats wrong
19:00 mjg59_; I'm saying that if non-free firmware is worth complaining about, why is he not complaining about all the non-free firmware he's actually using?
19:00 highest_cubist_thrills; granted, it is probably hopeless for the near future
19:00 highest_cubist_thrills; why is he not complaining about all the non-free firmware he's actually using <- who?
19:01 mjg59_; Roy
19:01 highest_cubist_thrills; oh!
19:01 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know, but i have a guess
19:01 mjg59_; Non-free firmware *is* bad, but just complaining about individual instances of it doesn't help describe why it's bad or what the challenges associated with it are
19:02 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, non-free firmware is a problem worth solving
19:02 highest_cubist_thrills; its one of the more difficult ones
19:02 highest_cubist_thrills; leah is the only one i know who is doing anything about it
19:02 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf has a more perfect plan but i dont think its unfair to say its failing
19:03 highest_cubist_thrills; now leah probably knows more people, im just saying, i dont personally know of them
19:03 highest_cubist_thrills; i suppose hyperbola should also be mentioned
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; for completeness
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; even if you put the non-free firmware back in
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; i think its better to start with an image/install that doesnt include it and makes it optional
19:04 highest_cubist_thrills; everyday people arent going to fish it out like theyre picking at their food
19:06 highest_cubist_thrills; "this contains peanut oil, but if youre allergic you can just eat around it"
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19:11 highest_cubist_thrills; roy isnt hard to explain once you understand that everything is a back justification
19:11 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean literally everything
19:11 MinceR; apparently we're supposed to just give up and use proprietary everything
19:12 *starstreak downloads microsoft edge for linux and powershell
19:12 highest_cubist_thrills; /me likes starstreak no matter what crazy shit she does
19:12 starstreak; :3
19:13 highest_cubist_thrills; at least you didnt sign the letter
19:13 starstreak; i wouldn't really use edge
19:13 mjg59_; The FSF is fine with non-free firmware as long as it's in ROM (not flash), which means we still have the non-free firmware, it's just it's also now impossible to replace it with free firmware
19:13 highest_cubist_thrills; The FSF is fine with non-free firmware as long as it's in ROM (not flash), which means we still have the non-free firmware, it's just it's also now impossible to replace it with free firmware <- the fsfs position is a triumph of logic over reality
19:13 highest_cubist_thrills; i can even SORT OF justify it, but id prefer not to
19:13 mjg59_; But it also means the manufacturer can't replace it, which means *nobody* can fix the bugs, so that's better?
19:13 MinceR; the FSF is fine with a proprietary OS (systemd) as long as it's open source and the package manager doesn't help you install other proprietary software
19:13 MinceR; the FSF is batshit insane.
19:14 highest_cubist_thrills; no, i mean, devils advocate, i CAN reach a poitn where i dont think the fsfs position on firmware is USELESS
19:14 mjg59_; The position is consistent
19:14 highest_cubist_thrills; but it would be better to improve on it than try to justify it, even if it can be done
19:14 mjg59_; I just don't think it benefits freedom in a meaningful way
19:14 highest_cubist_thrills; The position is consistent <- it doesnt have to be and thats not the problem
19:14 highest_cubist_thrills; I just don't think it benefits freedom in a meaningful wa <- neither do i, and thats more important
19:14 MinceR; i don't see what's consistent about this
19:14 highest_cubist_thrills; it matters that it doesnt benefit freedom in a meaningful way
19:14 MinceR; dehomag is special and their proprietary software is sacred?
19:14 highest_cubist_thrills; if anything, the main advantage is that it IS consistent.
19:15 highest_cubist_thrills; and thats not much of a plus
19:15 MinceR; or is it the Open Source Software Foundation now?
19:15 mjg59_; There are people (other than Leah) working on reverse engineering Intel's FSP, which would remove a blob dependency on some newer Intel boards
19:15 highest_cubist_thrills; it is definitely the osfsf now
19:15 highest_cubist_thrills; which means next it will be the msfsf
19:15 MinceR; yay
19:15 mjg59_; But even without the FSP, the CPU is running non-free code before it starts running Libreboot
19:15 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah i mean
19:16 MinceR; the microcode is also nonfree
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; the position of the fsf
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; WILL NOT (ever) get us to free hardware
19:16 MinceR; and you'll point to that in case this actually succeeds
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; free hardware is optional now
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; but ultimately, it will be needed
19:16 mjg59_; I'll point to it as an example that we're still running non-free code
19:16 MinceR; the position of the FSF isn't even getting us to free software anymore
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; and you dont get there by waiting until theres a clear path
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; you clear a path by starting now
19:16 MinceR; if i ran what they wanted to run, my OS would be proprietary
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman should realise that
19:16 mjg59_; Anything that reduces the amount of non-free code we run is an improvement
19:16 MinceR; s/ed/ed me/
19:16 highest_cubist_thrills; but its inconvenient and outside what he thinks matters
19:17 highest_cubist_thrills; everyone is running non-free code
19:17 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf has pivoted to deciding which non-free code is kosher and which is treif
19:18 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> the FSF is batshit insane. <- also this
19:18 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> the position of the FSF isn't even getting us to free software anymore <- also this
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19:18 mjg59_; I mean, part of this is that RMS hasn't kept up with the past 30 years of technology changes
19:18 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> I just don't think it benefits freedom in a meaningful way <- and even this
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; <mjg59_> I mean, part of this is that RMS hasn't kept up with the past 30 years of technology <- i dont think thats entirely true
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; but the ways in which is is true matters
19:19 MinceR; does RMS even have a say in what the FSF does?
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; not at all
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; hes president emiritus
19:19 MinceR; even if he did, he'd be a single point of failure
19:19 MinceR; as was Torvalds in Linux
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; he was a single point of failure
19:19 highest_cubist_thrills; and he failed
19:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; and thats that
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; torvalds had a successor
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; mjg took care of that
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; im sure it wasnt mjg alone
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; but its a fair statement
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think oliva could have saved a damn thing
19:20 highest_cubist_thrills; he was the closest thing to a successor, and he isnt made of enough "stuff" to do it
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; having stallman as a central point of failure made sense in the early days, even a few years ago maybe
19:21 MinceR; who was Torvalds' successor?
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; for something like the fsf to be sustained
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; tso of course
19:21 MinceR; pff
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; eh
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; then he didnt have one
19:21 highest_cubist_thrills; because gkh is a hitman
19:21 MinceR; i don't like his approach to filesystems
19:21 MinceR; yeah
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; tso is a good guy
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; good enough to get the axe for nothing
19:22 MinceR; iirc tso is to blame for the ext4 fuckup
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; well, im no fan of that either
19:22 MinceR; but still much preferable to gkh and mjg
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; but the fuckup we have instead is a lot bigger
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean the fuckup we have now is linux has no future
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; its not a viable kernel
19:22 highest_cubist_thrills; its a dead kernel walking
19:22 MinceR; indeed
19:23 mjg59_; tso is good at a number of small pieces of the kernel
19:23 mjg59_; He's not a great big picture person
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; tso is good at a number of small pieces of the kernel <- you could say that about linux
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; linus
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; linus isnt a master of the kernel anymore
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; even if they let him
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; its over his head
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; gkh isnt a master either
19:23 mjg59_; I think he's technically more competent than Greg in some specific areas, but I think Greg has a better idea of the overall state of things
19:23 highest_cubist_thrills; hes does what hes told
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; I think Greg has a better idea of the overall state of things <- they let him in on the plan, so sure
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; he runs the kernel the way the queen ran england
19:24 highest_cubist_thrills; at the behest of the people who run the kernel
19:24 MinceR; gkh runs Linux the way orban runs hungary
19:25 MinceR; (on putler's behalf)
19:25 highest_cubist_thrills; he does what hes told
19:25 highest_cubist_thrills; thats always going to get him points with someone
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19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf has no plan
19:26 highest_cubist_thrills; single point of failure isnt a sustainable model forever-- it has its place
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; they cant decentralise either, because they have no credibility left
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; there are no parties left to serve them
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; so its simply disintegrated
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; thats not the same as decentralising
19:27 highest_cubist_thrills; it simply fell apart
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; i wont blame stallman for this, because other parties are more responsible
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; but it was stallmans responsbility to make it sustainable
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; everyone else failed too
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; stallman made a series of bad decisions
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; staring in 2011 at the latest when he stepped down as chief gnuisance
19:28 highest_cubist_thrills; while retaining the title
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19:39 highest_cubist_thrills; it cant be said enough that no one stepped up when stallman stepped down
19:39 highest_cubist_thrills; there was nothing but a series of pretenders to the throne, who pretended to care about the same things
19:40 highest_cubist_thrills; thats a bigger failure than the fsf itself
19:40 highest_cubist_thrills; because the failure of the fsf would not matter, if the fsf itself had a successor
19:40 highest_cubist_thrills; all it had were cheap knockoffs
19:40 highest_cubist_thrills; hell, the sfc is a second copy
19:41 highest_cubist_thrills; its not even a first copy
19:41 highest_cubist_thrills; sfc is the original osfsf
19:41 highest_cubist_thrills; all the projects under its umbrella are open source
19:42 highest_cubist_thrills; its like the bastard lovechild of fsf and osi, having most characteristics of both
19:42 highest_cubist_thrills; even more than osi did
19:43 highest_cubist_thrills; i think kuhn has done everything jim zemlin set out to do
19:43 highest_cubist_thrills; with the obvious exception that jim zemlin just wants bill gates to love him
19:44 highest_cubist_thrills; and kuhn just wants to be loved by stallman
19:44 mjg59_; The FSF failed to inspire leadership, but also leaned hard on the idea that leadership needed to be in the form of an individual genius
19:44 highest_cubist_thrills; The FSF failed to inspire leadership, but also leaned hard on the idea that leadership needed to be in the form of an individual genius <- sure
19:44 mjg59_; No one person could ever replace RMS, but the FSF did nothing to ensure there was a community to take on the role instead
19:44 highest_cubist_thrills; however, in nearly every instance this was only brought out as a dogwhistle in favour of corporate takeover
19:44 highest_cubist_thrills; and that cant be ignored
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; not many people were willing to stand against corporate takeover
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; and once stallman was toppled like the saddam statue
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; pulled down by thousands of intellectual liliputians
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; actually thats not fair
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; quite a few of them are brilliant
19:45 highest_cubist_thrills; i should say political, not intellectual
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; there was nothing left standing in the way of corporations
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; he was the last obstacle
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; so it wasnt even about genius
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; it was about integrity
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; the bigger failure was
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; no one stood up to corporations like he did
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; yes, it was bound to fail
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; but not exactly for the reasons people usually say
19:46 highest_cubist_thrills; his genius falls flat in the face of several issues
19:47 highest_cubist_thrills; free culture. free hardware. the failure of the fsf itself
19:47 highest_cubist_thrills; he could have started a new fsf
19:47 highest_cubist_thrills; that was never going to happen
19:47 highest_cubist_thrills; he wouldnt abandon his child
19:47 highest_cubist_thrills; but thats the same sort of pride that got esr
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; if stallman hadnt objectified the fsf
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; he could have saved it (at least more than he will)
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; instead of a child, he should have seen the fsf as an exosuit
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; if your exosuit is destroyed
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; you go build a new one
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; but if your child is threatened
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; you move heaven and earth to save it, even if its hopeless
19:48 highest_cubist_thrills; so as a father hes only human
19:49 highest_cubist_thrills; as a strategist, he has a dead child
19:49 highest_cubist_thrills; of course this is really sloppy and i dont think psychology is going to answer all our questions
19:49 highest_cubist_thrills; but at least the shoe fits
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; instead of a child, he should have seen the fsf as an exosuit <- there are problems with this as well
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; for one, its extremely condescending to everyone that worked for the fsf
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; but thats easily fixed
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; instead of one exosuit
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; you see it as a bunch of exosuits
19:51 highest_cubist_thrills; one for each person fighting the good fight
19:52 highest_cubist_thrills; then its not condescending at all-- it means you have an organisation of people who have the potential to become great leaders
19:52 highest_cubist_thrills; the fsf never trained people to fight
19:52 highest_cubist_thrills; it simply handed people their papers
19:52 highest_cubist_thrills; and people would show up and say "i can do this"
19:52 highest_cubist_thrills; and then stallman would bless it or handwave it away
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19:53 highest_cubist_thrills; it wasnt as bad as it sounds, more people understood
19:53 highest_cubist_thrills; but it made enemies
19:53 highest_cubist_thrills; jilted lovers
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19:53 highest_cubist_thrills; enough of them wrote blogs about it
19:53 highest_cubist_thrills; you can see the tears-- theyre only human
19:53 highest_cubist_thrills; its neither fair to blame stallman entirely for this
19:53 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean
19:54 highest_cubist_thrills; no one has a right to be loved by a particular person
19:54 highest_cubist_thrills; thats what stalkers think
19:54 highest_cubist_thrills; you have to love me!
19:54 highest_cubist_thrills; and you can say but stallman was callous
19:54 highest_cubist_thrills; well no, hes fucking awkward as fuck
19:55 highest_cubist_thrills; theres a guy that made gkar figurines in babylon 5
19:55 highest_cubist_thrills; gkar told him it was a horrible thing to do
19:55 highest_cubist_thrills; instantly the guy turned to revenge
19:55 highest_cubist_thrills; this has played out several times in the fsf
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19:56 highest_cubist_thrills; but make no mistake, stallman made a series of bad decisions
19:56 highest_cubist_thrills; and the fsf is no more
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19:56 highest_cubist_thrills; he had lots of help failing
19:56 highest_cubist_thrills; so much help, you have to consider the extraordinary amount of force-- AND TIME-- that it took to bring it down
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; when you do the math, he did more to keep it viable than he did to destroy it
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; still a single point of failure though
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, it was going to come down
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; if nothing else, it would have crumbled the day he died
19:57 highest_cubist_thrills; all they did by lynching him was move the date
19:58 highest_cubist_thrills; the bigger failure is none of the clones (fsfla, fsfe) are battle-worthy
19:58 highest_cubist_thrills; fsfla has shown mostly integrity but it might as well just hang around and get high
19:58 highest_cubist_thrills; fsfe is a machiavallian nightmare
19:59 highest_cubist_thrills; sfc has an infinite level of negative credibility
19:59 highest_cubist_thrills; and i dont know about moglen, but afaict sflc is in retirement mode
19:59 highest_cubist_thrills; probably not accurate, but if you cant tell then what difference does it make
20:00 highest_cubist_thrills; so yeah
20:00 highest_cubist_thrills; thats about it for the free software movement
20:00 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe it will be back someday, like frosty
20:00 highest_cubist_thrills; there must have been some magic in that old drive platter they found
20:18 geert; egoism doesnt proof very valuable, effective to group.
20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 16.36 average k/sec., average swarm size 153.13
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21:03 DaemonFC; I don't know what's more disturbing.
21:03 DaemonFC; That there's a store calle "Buy Buy Baby" or that their gift cards say "Welcome to Parenthood".
21:03 DaemonFC; Welcome to Parenthood! Time to buy shit. This is gonna be expensive.
21:04 starstreak; HES LOSING HIS FORM! (putin): https://i.imgur.com/IiHJtLN.png
21:06 highest_cubist_thrills; rofl
21:08 highest_cubist_thrills; his surface is under attack
21:08 highest_cubist_thrills; special cosmetic operation
21:09 highest_cubist_thrills; "i want to introduce you to our latest mitigation"
21:09 highest_cubist_thrills; "sometimes the face can be used for side channel attacks, and information can be exfiltrated from facial expressions"
21:09 highest_cubist_thrills; "thats why this mitigation is called botox"
21:10 highest_cubist_thrills; "if you have attacked a plane or boat, this mitigation will prevent facial data exfiltration"
21:19 starstreak; lol
21:19 MinceR; > This is gonna be expensive.
21:19 MinceR; it is, though
21:19 MinceR; and it's going to suck hard for the baby
21:19 highest_cubist_thrills; rofl
21:20 MinceR; lol @ putlers' baby
21:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:20 highest_cubist_thrills; /me falls over
21:20 starstreak; :D
21:20 starstreak; I love A.I
21:21 highest_cubist_thrills; to be fair, youre very easily amused
21:22 XRevan86; Reality is still better: https://youtu.be/-tj_m8vgH04
21:22 TR Bot; https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=-tj_m8vgH04
21:22 TR Bot; inv.riverside.rocks | ! - Invidious
21:24 highest_cubist_thrills; reality is just a skeleton in the closet
21:27 highest_cubist_thrills; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_yErA7uUl6Q
21:27 TR Bot; Skeleton - Invidious
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21:43 DaemonFC; Walmart accidentally added a pound of roast beef I didn't order. Does no good to say anything. THey can't take it back. I mean, they will but they'll throw it in the trash once they've handed it off to you.
21:43 DaemonFC; A pound of roast beef is now $12.20, schestowitz-TR2
21:43 DaemonFC; This is fucking bullshit. I guess I'd better enjoy the roast beef.
21:43 DaemonFC; If Biden's around much longer, there won't be any.
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22:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 49.00 average k/sec., average swarm size 173.56
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