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00:00 highest_cubist_thrills; my take: gnome broke gtk and debian helped
00:00 highest_cubist_thrills; is that what happened? idk, speculation
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00:00 MinceR; considering people's obsession with new versions, deadian didn't need to do anything
00:00 MinceR; gtk3 being garbage is enough
00:00 highest_cubist_thrills; considering people's obsession with new versions, deadian didn't need to do anything <- agreed
00:01 highest_cubist_thrills; but they did anyway
00:01 highest_cubist_thrills; gtk3 being garbage is enough <- this would have been the prelude
00:02 highest_cubist_thrills; i should note im not entirely serious. there may be a connection but i certainly cant say for sure
00:02 highest_cubist_thrills; its either a pattern or an amusing coincidence
00:02 highest_cubist_thrills; either way, its debian
00:05 frog; MinceR: i tried to salvage GTK3, by removing systemd/dbus clutter, because GTK3 wasn't garbage
00:06 frog; the unicode font-rendering however, failed some acceptance criteria
00:08 frog; and that's why, it's sad; only good news, i can live with it
00:09 frog; and GTK4 added yet another, unnecessary and avoidable problem: the strong entanglement against OpenGL, which GTK3 didn't
00:10 TR News; Vista 12 Vapourware is a Sign of Microsoft Struggling (Amid ~18,000 Microsoft Layoffs) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/11/vista-12-is-vapourware/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/11/vista-12-is-vapourware/
00:10 TR Bot; Vista 12 Vapourware is a Sign of Microsoft Struggling (Amid ~18,000 Microsoft Layoffs) | Techrights
00:14 frog; and debian, they're fully relying on both GNU-toolchain and buildystem, which by itself got that severe issues, i saw all of it falling apart
00:14 frog; with neither any upgrade path remaining, and no feasible roll-back strategy either, it's locked and blocked into any direction nowadays
00:15 frog; from where i am standing
00:15 frog; because, i got some minimum acceptance criteria, along the way of bootstrapping any GNU system
00:16 starstreak; "I'm going to be honest with you.. I'm kinda retarded" -Alex Jones
00:16 starstreak; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2dGa3wt74pY
00:16 TR Bot; Alex Jones Im kinda retarded meme - Invidious
00:16 frog; and whatever conclusion may be drawn, to either follow along with minimum acceptance criteria or not, those criteria are undisputable
00:17 frog; so, either criteria are complied with, then nothing remains, or criteria are violated severely, and GNU (or any other Mapple LLVM whatever) is what you get
00:18 XRevan86; MinceR: "they're allegedly running out of ammo" <- Not out of every kind of ammo.
00:19 XRevan86; "their morale is (understandably) shitty" <- Wait till ye see the mobilised Russians, their morale is in negative numbers.
00:20 TR News; MakuluLinux 2022-10-05 is out http://www.makululinux.com/wp/
00:20 TR Bot; A Whole World of Possibilities
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00:21 schestowitz[TR]; <XRevan86> "their morale is (understandably) shitty" <- Wait till ye see the mobilised Russians, their morale is in negative numbers.
00:21 schestowitz[TR]; the unwilling recruits
00:21 XRevan86; DaemonFC: "The Russians had to pull out so fast they didn't bother sabotaging their equipment" <- Some peculiarities like abandoning perfectly functioning trucks (just drive away) suggest a strict but dysfunctional chain of command.
00:24 TR News; How To: Generate an ed25519 SSH key - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3PHfKFhvldc | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/3PHfKFhvldc
00:24 TR Bot; How To: Generate an ed25519 SSH key - Invidious
00:24 highest_cubist_thrills; /me was hoping XRevan86 would be here
00:25 highest_cubist_thrills; what does "spocky knocky" mean literally? i think its something like "goodnight" and i dont know the cyrillic spelling
00:25 frog; Dobra Noz or similar
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; but to my ears it sounds like "spocky knocky" (which of course, sounds totally made up like its not real russian, but i think it most likely is real russian)
00:26 highest_cubist_thrills; its possible the person who said it was mispronouncing it also, as hes not a native speaker
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; (this actually came up in a conversation earlier, where i said that another phrase sounded like "'goodnight' in russian, but i swore id check)
00:27 highest_cubist_thrills; mincer may even know this one, but i know XRevan86 will
00:28 psydruid;
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; thats goodnight?
00:28 psydruid; yes
00:28 highest_cubist_thrills; but how is it pronounced?
00:29 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: "spocky knocky" <- It's real but it's not proper. A deliberate mispronunciation to sound cute.
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; A deliberate mispronunciation to sound cute <- there we go
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; im not surprised at all, i even suspected it
00:29 starstreak; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mPazYL5Nks
00:29 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=3mPazYL5Nks
00:29 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=3mPazYL5Nks )
00:29 highest_cubist_thrills; how would you say it properly (or closer to it)
00:30 XRevan86; > (23:28:03) psydruid:
00:30 psydruid; "Spakajnoj nochi", I think
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; okay
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; cool, thank you both
00:30 XRevan86; "Sp(a|o)kynoy nochi"
00:30 highest_cubist_thrills; /me averages those together since he cant pronounce either
00:31 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: psydruid is incorrect with the second "a", it's a stressed "o" instead.
00:31 psydruid; XRevan86 knows better, obviously
00:31 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean i think i CAN pronounced "Spakajnoj nochi", but saying that like is another thing
00:31 TR News; Microsoft is sacking about 10% of its staff while Windows usage drops to new lows and President Biden tries to bail out the company http://techrights.org/2022/10/11/vista-12-is-vapourware/
00:31 TR Bot; Vista 12 Vapourware is a Sign of Microsoft Struggling (Amid ~18,000 Microsoft Layoffs) | Techrights
00:31 highest_cubist_thrills; XRevan86 knows better, obviously <- yeah but an approximation i can understand is a plus
00:32 psydruid; the problem with Russian is that it's not fully phonetic
00:32 highest_cubist_thrills; most languages arent
00:32 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean, im not trying to impress a russian
00:32 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/11/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/11/today_s_howtos.3.gmi
00:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
00:32 highest_cubist_thrills; im just trying to sound like less of a muppet
00:32 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/11/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/11/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
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00:32 psydruid; not like Ukrainian, Serbian or Hindi mostly are
00:32 XRevan86; In literary (standard) Russian per vowel reduction an unstressed "o" is pronounced like a schwa, so "Spokojnoj" "Spakojnoj".
00:33 highest_cubist_thrills; at any rate, between the two of you, i have a pretty good idea what was trying to figure out
00:33 highest_cubist_thrills; so im happy
00:33 highest_cubist_thrills; and even if i cant pronounce it, xrevan more or less confirms what youre saying which is great
00:34 frog; it's a sounding in the middle in between of a and o, as many other saxons pronounce it, and the reason why skandinavians introduced special glyphs for that (absent in german)
00:34 highest_cubist_thrills; and now i have SOME idea what the real thing sounds like too
00:34 XRevan86; The thing about vowel reduction is that under a different context the original vowel can still pop up, just like in "spoh-kee noh-kee", where it's still an "o", because stressed this time.
00:35 highest_cubist_thrills; so spocky knocky would be like when english speakers say "nighty night"
00:35 highest_cubist_thrills; meaning goodnight
00:35 XRevan86; highest_cubist_thrills: Yes, but even more informal.
00:35 XRevan86; Crank that informalness to the max :)
00:35 highest_cubist_thrills; nighty night is pretty informal. youd never say it to the president for example
00:35 frog; in german it's spuck, from spit, and noch is nach and nacht the night
00:35 frog; don't know, why spuck is differen, maybe the good-night kiss
00:36 highest_cubist_thrills; like if you got off the phone youd say "goodnight mr president" if it was nighttime and you knew him but you were of a low enouguh rank
00:36 psydruid; spit to welcome the night
00:36 frog; and kiss is the same as kissen = the pillow and the kiss
00:36 highest_cubist_thrills; but you woudlnt ever say "nighty night" unless you were probably his wife or kids
00:37 highest_cubist_thrills; you could say it to a close friend or a youtube audience
00:37 highest_cubist_thrills; which is where i know the phrase "spocky knocky"
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; what's left of it
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; (youtube audience)
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; from what I hear, youtube audience is becoming scarce
00:37 psydruid; "may this be your last quiet night, mr president"
00:37 schestowitz[TR]; google pivots into mainstream relevision now
00:37 highest_cubist_thrills; youtubes dying too? shucks!
00:38 highest_cubist_thrills; just in time for halloween
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; no
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; the original creators are
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; many leave/flee/barely post anymorer
00:38 highest_cubist_thrills; google didnt create youtube
00:38 highest_cubist_thrills; it was a purchase
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; gulag used to al;locate some capital to encouage their work
00:38 highest_cubist_thrills; two guys created it
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; yes
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; with help of users
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; they made the platform
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; at first it was lots of ripoffs from TV (segments)
00:38 schestowitz[TR]; later they had many originals
00:39 highest_cubist_thrills; the first video was someone at the zoo
00:39 schestowitz[TR]; with a platform of convenience
00:39 highest_cubist_thrills; it was very much like a hello world post, except random
00:40 TR News; (NEW): Initial release of pg_enquo, a queryable encryption extension for PostgreSQL http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/11/Initial_release_of_pg_enquo_a_queryable_encryption_extension_fo.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/11/Initial_release_of_pg_enquo_a_queryable_encryption_extension_fo.gmi
00:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines Initial release of pg_enquo, a queryable encryption extension for PostgreSQL
00:40 starstreak; Team America! Fuck yeah!
00:40 schestowitz[TR]; youtube 2000s: two guys
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; youtube later 2000s: two girls (and a cup (never watch it btw)
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; youtube 2010: gulagtube
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; youtube 2015: de facto monoply
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; 2020: censorship platform
00:41 schestowitz[TR]; 2022: ads
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00:42 starstreak; 2024: your mom
00:42 psydruid; 2022: exodus to odyssee, rumble, locals, peertube etc.
00:42 schestowitz[TR]; "no, mom, DON'T"
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00:42 schestowitz[TR]; psydruid: maybe
00:42 schestowitz[TR]; but they too lack a business model
00:42 schestowitz[TR]; see vimeop, liveleaks
00:42 schestowitz[TR]; binchute
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; they strugle financially
00:43 starstreak; peertube is great, it has reptilian conspiracy videos
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; youtube like many other web things did not sell as a profitable thing
00:43 starstreak; the stuff that gets banned on youtube
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; same for gitlab and github
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; they lose money
00:43 highest_cubist_thrills; bye, youtube
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; some founders make SOME money for selling
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; along with shareholders
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; it's a bubble
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; spotify=layoffs
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; netflix= layoffs
00:43 schestowitz[TR]; clownflare=losses, maybe layoffs too (did not check)
00:43 highest_cubist_thrills; spotify=layoffs <- spotty knocky
00:43 psydruid; maybe there shouldn't be a(n easily realisable) business model
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; right
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; psydruid: see the discussion in #boycottnovell today
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; iirc, tiktok loses money
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; but the parent company is a chinese spy
00:44 highest_cubist_thrills; if youtube fell apart people would use vimeo (garbage) and tiktok (more likely) and internet archive (if they were serious) but the archives indexing SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS
00:44 schestowitz[TR]; that does "HEY HI" and data mining
00:45 schestowitz[TR]; so the ultimate goal seems to be social control
00:45 schestowitz[TR]; and 'brain farming'
00:45 highest_cubist_thrills; internet archive only works if you have a second website to help you FIND shit there
00:45 highest_cubist_thrills; with youtube you get both (and the costs of it being the same people)
00:45 schestowitz[TR]; true
00:45 schestowitz[TR]; actually youtube got a lot worse
00:45 schestowitz[TR]; it used to give good results
00:45 schestowitz[TR]; now it does not
00:45 schestowitz[TR]; by design
00:45 schestowitz[TR]; because it tries to maximise "engagement" and ads
00:45 schestowitz[TR]; screentime
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; and brainwash quotient
00:46 highest_cubist_thrills; the front page of youtube, a few years ago (the last time i went there) was one of the dumbest things ive ever seen
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; so results contain totally unrelated stuff (to the query)
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; and are ranked not for relevance at all
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; I hear the same is true for Google Search
00:46 highest_cubist_thrills; #1 tip to make youtube look less stupid: NEVER NEVER NEVER go to the front page
00:46 schestowitz[TR]; yes, rianne does it
00:46 highest_cubist_thrills; i always use a search
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; I told her that Google decides for her what she puts in her head
00:47 highest_cubist_thrills; but also i use invidious
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; instead of people controlling computers
00:47 psydruid; the stuff promoted as trending is utter garbage
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; it's some corporations controlling people via computers
00:47 psydruid; on the main YouTube page, that is
00:47 starstreak; rise up!
00:47 highest_cubist_thrills; it's some corporations controlling people via computers <- same as television
00:47 psydruid; but I never go there
00:47 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: yes, exactly
00:47 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> rise up! <- rise up sold out
00:48 schestowitz[TR]; RiseUp
00:48 highest_cubist_thrills; <- former rise up member
00:48 starstreak; Riseup.net
00:48 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah, them
00:48 highest_cubist_thrills; part of the coup
00:48 starstreak; former member, why?
00:48 schestowitz[TR]; what ever happened to cryptome?
00:48 schestowitz[TR]; I asked a month ago, did not check much
00:48 schestowitz[TR]; it seems to have become inactive like wikileaks
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; sedating the "opposition" to the establishment
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; today in LWN they covered sofwtare patents
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; a top comment asked if EFF would help
00:49 highest_cubist_thrills; absorbition
00:49 highest_cubist_thrills; eff the eff
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; as if they didn't pay attention to what happened to EFF
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; EFF barely even mentions patents anymore
00:49 schestowitz[TR]; like it's not important
00:49 highest_cubist_thrills; eff barely ever mentioned them?
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; they mentioned them since 2005 or thereabouts in patent busting
00:50 frog; most patents should have expired already
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; that campaigning evolved over the years
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; lobbying congress, helping against trolls etc.
00:50 highest_cubist_thrills; the biggest threats ive seen in 15 years were acta, tpp and certain people being appointed to lead the patent office
00:50 psydruid; the first rule of the eff'ing eff is: don't talk about the eff'ing eff at the eff'ing eff
00:50 schestowitz[TR]; frog: most patents are already expired
00:50 highest_cubist_thrills; of course i pay a bit less attention to europe
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; so does the eff
00:51 highest_cubist_thrills; the first rule of the eff'ing eff is: don't talk about the eff'ing eff at the eff'ing eff <- the eff you say
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; except when it comes to copyright in eu
00:51 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, what would you do if Theo De Raadt signed?
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; because gulag, an eff sponsor, has a stake in the outcome
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; eff has europe coordinator
00:51 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> highest_cubist_thrills, what would you do if Theo De Raadt signed? <- i dont know, what would you do if neil patrick harris was a nazi?
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; I asked doctorow why they don't cover epo and patenrt in europe
00:51 schestowitz[TR]; he said he would asked the coordinator
00:52 schestowitz[TR]; of course nothing happened
00:52 schestowitz[TR]; eff= usefles
00:52 schestowitz[TR]; *useless
00:52 highest_cubist_thrills; i like theo de raadt because he has better shit to do.
00:52 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, a gay nazi like dfc? im not sure, i definately wouldn't fuck his dick off
00:52 highest_cubist_thrills; :)
00:52 schestowitz[TR]; dfc is not "nazi"
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; overusing the term cheapens it
00:53 starstreak; hes into eugenics
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; and distracts from real nazis
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: so were many americans
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; before ww2
00:53 schestowitz[TR]; some are still into it
00:53 starstreak; nazism was pretty popular in the US before ww2 as well
00:53 highest_cubist_thrills; dfc is a racist who supports eugenics at both the birth and execution end of the whole thing.
00:53 highest_cubist_thrills; thats close enough to nazi for me, and i prefer to be technical about it.
00:54 highest_cubist_thrills; in other words, i prefer to JUSTIFY using the word and be specific about why its being used.
00:54 highest_cubist_thrills; "a racist who supports eugenics at both the birth and execution end" is basically a nazi.
00:54 highest_cubist_thrills; what else would it take?
00:54 schestowitz[TR]; lowering the standards for the term makes it less useful, renders it meaningless
00:54 schestowitz[TR]; like ADL did with "antisemite"
00:54 highest_cubist_thrills; thats the whole goddamned premise of the third reich.
00:54 highest_cubist_thrills; the whole thing
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; not really
00:55 highest_cubist_thrills; minus "jews run" yeah, but still the outcome was the same
00:55 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], hes either a nazi or a fascist
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; german nazi party was not a single policy party
00:55 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> not reall <- well i hope mjg calls you a nazi apologist now. personally i just think youre an idiot.
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; fascist was the term used for italy at the time
00:55 frog; however, it wasn't invented by the third reich, even when they then enjoyed citing from the catechism they were lectured elsewhere _before_ they gained power
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; and it's something about state and corporations
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; he's not a fascist either
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; and he did voter biden btw
00:55 schestowitz[TR]; *vote
00:56 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], you're a daemonfc apologist
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00:56 schestowitz[TR]; i'm amazed at how some people cheapen terms
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; like the media did "antivaxx"
00:56 frog; highest_cubist_thrills: you might be surprised, where the spiritual roots lead to, and i wouldn't need to city any publication from nazis for this
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; and we're meant to think this channel is 'right wing'
00:56 highest_cubist_thrills; i'm amazed at how some people cheapen terms <- your hypocrisy here is at a peak, even for you
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00:56 starstreak; apologist "a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial."
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; the same spin was used against wikileaks
00:56 schestowitz[TR]; completely false narrative
00:56 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think youre capable of being much more full of shit than this. but its you, so...
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; like spamnil calling me "trump"
00:57 frog; what terms would you prefer then? Gojim, Kulak, which one?
00:57 starstreak; daemonfc always says controversial things and Roy is always defending it, that is textbook apolgism
00:57 highest_cubist_thrills; calling someone a nazi for supporting a CORE TENET of the third reich isnt out of bounds or unreasonable
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; i don't defend what he says
00:57 frog; Muslims like to call them Dhimmi (fom Dumm, stupid)
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; but his right to be an a-hole
00:57 frog; there's many translations for this
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; because we don't want irckkop
00:57 schestowitz[TR]; it's not good for debating discourse
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00:58 schestowitz[TR]; if we did this, starstreak, you too would get banned
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; you recalled tim wilson banning you
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; I think for the whole "freemason" thing
00:58 starstreak; i did get banned before
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; not by me
00:58 starstreak; and i never said racist or transphobic shit, just conspiracies
00:58 schestowitz[TR]; not with my knowledge, either
00:59 starstreak; you watched him do it
00:59 starstreak; i got the log
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; wilson did tell me that you had some strange theories about hive minds, neanderthals etc.
00:59 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean she talks about them here
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; btw, unless you are from cubsaharan africa, you have about 2% neanderthal genes in you
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; owing to inbreeding, interbreeding
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 110.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 126.71
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; even in east asia
00:59 highest_cubist_thrills; she already said she has neanderthal genes-- in here-- today
00:59 schestowitz[TR]; based on the work of the geneticist who just won nobel prize
01:00 highest_cubist_thrills; so youre telling her what she already knows
01:00 schestowitz[TR]; right, but the conspiracy stuff is outright insane
01:00 starstreak; its my religion
01:00 schestowitz[TR]; like all this "reptilian" thing, people living underground, neanderthal still being around...
01:00 schestowitz[TR]; religion as code for legitimate insanity
01:01 starstreak; just as insane as any other religious person
01:01 frog; it's not a conspiracy, because it's not secret
01:01 starstreak; we are all living inside of a simulation
01:01 highest_cubist_thrills; thats at least metaphorically true
01:01 frog; i mean, the moment when people began decorating themselves with badges to identify their vaccination status allowing them to visit restaurants and shopping malls?
01:02 highest_cubist_thrills; though im surprised people take it so seriously/literally
01:02 starstreak; ok well im gonna stop trashing dfc
01:02 highest_cubist_thrills; its a pretty cheap interpretation of the idea that the universe is hologramatic in structure
01:02 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: poor reasoning of, many people believe in fiction, so I too am allowed to promote fiction
01:02 XRevan86; At least most other religious people have upbringing to blame, and their religion is more metaphysical than literal neanderthals underground.
01:02 frog; what was this? some secret conspiracy, or an outright totalitarian dictate of governments, orchestrated from RAND corp USA or elsewhere
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; it's not a secret that "USA" controls most of the world
01:03 highest_cubist_thrills; that the universe is hologramatic in structure <- which you do get into in various brands of mysticism
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; not sure RAND is a good placeholder for it
01:03 starstreak; as the freemasons say, "as above, so below"
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; you can see out in the open who does the colonialism
01:03 starstreak; its a shame phanes isn't around
01:03 highest_cubist_thrills; as the freemasons say, "as above, so below" <- i mean theyre not the only ones who say that
01:03 frog; schestowitz[TR]: it probably is, although some of this type of "think tank" "work" may be kept secret
01:03 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, yeah its code for underground neanderthaller hive minds
01:03 highest_cubist_thrills; the entire greek side of the kabbalistic school says that
01:03 schestowitz[TR]; DAVOS has WEF
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; there are less public meetings around there too
01:04 highest_cubist_thrills; and thats filtered out into various other systems
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; and we know the attendees
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; we know what they want
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; and some of their decisions
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; and they don't care if we know
01:04 schestowitz[TR]; "what are you gonna do about it, PUNK?
01:04 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah its code for underground neanderthaller hive minds <- i guess thats one interpretation
01:05 starstreak; as above = human society, so below = underground society
01:05 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> its a shame phanes isn't around <- if you were a mason and knew the right hand thing, you could maybe get him here
01:05 schestowitz[TR]; they have their n networking, parties, links etc.
01:05 highest_cubist_thrills; and you could be because they allow trans women
01:05 schestowitz[TR]; and they coordinate meetings, lobbying, decisions, draft bills
01:05 highest_cubist_thrills; and trans men
01:05 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, not always
01:05 highest_cubist_thrills; not always
01:05 highest_cubist_thrills; and youre very anti-mason which-- obviously thats a dealbreaker for them
01:05 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, they allow trans women to stay freemasons if they were a freemason before transition
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; those are a tiny minority
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; even more of a minority in that "class"
01:06 highest_cubist_thrills; if they were a freemason before transition <- ah, appreciate the clarification
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; how many of the richest 1% are trans?
01:06 highest_cubist_thrills; thats good to know
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; like 0.001%?
01:06 highest_cubist_thrills; what i read didnt go into that level of detail
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; so it's a token "tolernace"
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; for PR purposes
01:06 highest_cubist_thrills; or i missed it
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; under their "D&I" page
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; but it's not alike antone trans has any leverage in davod
01:06 schestowitz[TR]; *davos
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; just token ones
01:07 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, i actually like the freemasons and have respect for them, but at the same time there was a coup by the illuminati
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; of course most are white and male, too
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; but they don't present it like this in davos
01:07 highest_cubist_thrills; but at the same time there was a coup by the illuminati <- they deny this, so
01:07 highest_cubist_thrills; but they would of course!
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; like mormons with token african americans
01:07 schestowitz[TR]; for optics
01:07 highest_cubist_thrills; but they would also deny it if it were untrue too.
01:07 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, i would love to be in the OTO
01:08 highest_cubist_thrills; mormons with token african americans <- as far as i know, any black person CAN become mormon
01:08 highest_cubist_thrills; something about a church that USED TO deny black members because "god cursed them with black skin as a punishment" doesnt exactly draw them in by the millions.
01:08 starstreak; there are a number of magick societies that are pretty cool
01:08 starstreak; OTO is one of them
01:08 highest_cubist_thrills; not to mention their standing among most christians is understandably fucked
01:09 highest_cubist_thrills; so there arent many black people who join the mormons-- but why the hell would they
01:09 highest_cubist_thrills; i assume if the klan said "fuck it-- all are welcome!" most black people wouldnt join them either.
01:10 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
01:10 schestowitz[TR]; here in the UK it's the same
01:10 schestowitz[TR]; EDL dound some "south asia n "useful idiots"
01:10 schestowitz[TR]; to paint a false image of EDL
01:10 schestowitz[TR]; apropos uk,
01:11 schestowitz[TR]; earlier you said you wish XRevan86 was here
01:11 highest_cubist_thrills; because i had a question about russian
01:11 schestowitz[TR]; he's smart enough to know usa and even uk aren't that attractive anymore
01:11 highest_cubist_thrills; also he was here
01:11 schestowitz[TR]; esp. for immigrants
01:11 schestowitz[TR]; esp. from RUSHA
01:11 highest_cubist_thrills; i left the usa to go to the uk and i doubt id bother going back to the uk
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; from what my sister tells me, USA is "***"
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; to live in
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; and now
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; like, 2022
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; not 90s
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; it was nice when I was there in the 90s
01:12 highest_cubist_thrills; its all relative
01:12 MinceR; yes, if you replace every character with an asterisk, USA indeed becomes *** :>
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; but I was young and naive too
01:12 highest_cubist_thrills; id much rather be in the usa than the ukraine
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; in 2006 they already had all that fingerprinting shit
01:12 highest_cubist_thrills; not everyone in canada (or the uk) would rather be in either of those places
01:12 schestowitz[TR]; I've not flown there since
01:13 highest_cubist_thrills; fwiw i think being anywhere with such abysmal health insurance is NUTS
01:13 highest_cubist_thrills; but so would be moving to china or africa
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; africa has some nice places
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; not many
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; but some
01:13 MinceR; afaict every place on earth has its issues
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; usually the islands
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: more so now
01:13 MinceR; some of them have advantages too
01:13 schestowitz[TR]; even scandinavia
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; techuser is offline
01:14 MinceR; the USA has the second amendment, for example
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; he probably lost his power
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; after all those bombings
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; one truck bomb
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; and now the whole of ukraine is bombed
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; was it worth it?
01:14 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: that amedement puts you at risk, too
01:15 schestowitz[TR]; 2nd am: the right of all your enemies to have tools that make murder more efficient
01:15 schestowitz[TR]; the proponents: BUT THE GOVERNMENT
01:15 schestowitz[TR]; well, the gov. has nukes
01:15 schestowitz[TR]; or "tactical" bombs
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
01:16 TR Bot; 1985 MOVE bombing - Wikipedia
01:16 schestowitz[TR]; MOVE: we have firearms!!
01:17 schestowitz[TR]; Gov: lol, we'll set y'all on fire, motherfuckers, we have aircrafts
01:17 schestowitz[TR]; " Two explosive devices were dropped by a police helicopter on a bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house that was occupied by MOVE, causing a fire which the Philadelphia Fire Department subsequently let burn out of control, destroying 61 previously evacuated neighboring houses over two city blocks, and leaving 250 people homeless"
01:17 highest_cubist_thrills; where was esr to defend them?
01:17 MinceR; 12 021518 < schestowitz[TR]> 2nd am: the right of all your enemies to have tools that make murder more efficient
01:17 highest_cubist_thrills; idk
01:17 highest_cubist_thrills; hes kind of a dick
01:17 MinceR; guess what, every government has them
01:17 schestowitz[TR]; yerah
01:18 MinceR; also, when you make laws banning people from arming themselves, guess who will violate those laws
01:18 schestowitz[TR]; *yeah
01:18 schestowitz[TR]; and nobody with 2and am can buy comanche or apache helicopter
01:18 schestowitz[TR]; they're not on sale to civilians
01:18 MinceR; that's the sad part
01:18 schestowitz[TR]; you can mount a big fucking machine gun
01:18 schestowitz[TR]; that fires like 3000 rounds per minute
01:18 MinceR; but getting to keep an AR-15 without being bothered by the government for it is a start
01:18 schestowitz[TR]; and shoot people from above while moving fast
01:19 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> and nobody with 2and am can buy comanche or apache helicopte <- whats REALLY bullshit is they wont even sell them to comanches or apaches!
01:19 MinceR; :>
01:19 schestowitz[TR]; they just call them aftr victims of genoice
01:19 schestowitz[TR]; just to troll then
01:19 schestowitz[TR]; *them
01:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
01:20 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AEu9LLQpOF8
01:20 TR Bot; 1 Million rounds per minute gun. - Invidious
01:22 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> but getting to keep an AR-15 without being bothered by the government for it is a start <- the fact is
01:22 highest_cubist_thrills; by the time theres a true legit use for people to have shit like that
01:22 highest_cubist_thrills; theyll be far past caring about the legality of it
01:22 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ICsujYpRI8A
01:22 TR Bot; 30mm Apache Gun - Invidious
01:22 highest_cubist_thrills; and there will be too many people to collect them all
01:24 frog; most won't have access to clean water long before any rifle could protect their lifes
01:24 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_VvXXtT3HoU
01:24 TR Bot; US Testing Its Monstrously Powerful $500 Million Rail Gun - Invidious
01:24 schestowitz[TR]; range is huge
01:25 frog; and for hunting, automatic rifles are a waste of resources and ammo
01:25 frog; add to this: weight to carry, once most of them run out of gasoline to drive their pickups with a ton of ammo to the range
01:26 frog; and ammo cannot be eaten either, so whatever they stockpile, it's a huge waste of storage space too, to hoard any amount of required ammunition, instead of water, food and toilet paper
01:27 schestowitz[TR]; use spud guns
01:27 schestowitz[TR]; they double up as potatoo chips ;-)
01:27 schestowitz[TR]; *potato
01:27 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, the paranoid west and russia spent lots of capital on weapons
01:28 schestowitz[TR]; instead of basics
01:28 MinceR; highest_cubist_thrills: it's nice to be prepared
01:28 schestowitz[TR]; like food, shelter, infra
01:28 frog; as far as hunting was concerned, i would rather enjoy wild-life as it is with binoculars, this doesn't require carrying any gun wherever
01:28 highest_cubist_thrills; mincer: of course
01:28 schestowitz[TR]; because they worry another superpower would take over by froce
01:28 frog; not sure, if there was any hunting opportunities remaining, in USA or elsewhere, to stockiple billions of rounds for this
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; US media cobditioned people to think of apocalypse
01:29 schestowitz[TR]; there is aa whole industry benefiting from this conditioning
01:30 MinceR; at least it won't catch people by surprise
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; rather than apocalypse there will be rot
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; more and more people fallen into debt, homelessness, misery
01:30 MinceR; yeah, human bodies will rot
01:30 schestowitz[TR]; while prosperity moved elsehere since decades agp
01:30 frog; i consider apocalypse as a mass social event a distraction too, i don't think there would be any event which would kill _everyone_ equally
01:31 MinceR; there will be
01:31 frog; it's probably a long-term degeneration and decline of civil society, education, health and living standards
01:31 MinceR; it will be the event that kills the last human, by definition
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; that's not apocalypse
01:31 schestowitz[TR]; it's not another species gone
01:31 MinceR; sure it is
01:31 highest_cubist_thrills; usa conflates the end of capitalism with the end of the worl
01:31 MinceR; the species is Homo sapiens
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; the other day I studied uk mortality data
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; more specifically england and wales
01:32 highest_cubist_thrills; so people will be equally afraid of both
01:32 highest_cubist_thrills; thats conditioning
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; you can really see not many people have kids anymore
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; total mortality of kids under 1 fell
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; because there aren't many kids under 1
01:32 schestowitz[TR]; who would "make a baby" in 2021 and 2022?
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; /me has a feeling the birth rates wont reflect what roy is saying
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; forget about covid-19 and focus just on cost of living
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; i think think of plenty of reason why the rate could go up or down
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; and prospects for a next generation
01:33 highest_cubist_thrills; as if people are totally rational about starting families in some fantasy
01:33 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: let me get some authoritative source.....
01:34 highest_cubist_thrills; sure i mean its possible
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; techuser is not off the mark entirely
01:34 highest_cubist_thrills; but people are going to continue reproducing
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; kids become a burden on parents
01:34 highest_cubist_thrills; thats nothing new
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; they used to make kids to serve as insurance policy
01:34 schestowitz[TR]; of "continuity" or class vanity
01:34 highest_cubist_thrills; they still do that
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12259952/
01:35 TR Bot; Why is Britain's population now declining? - PubMed
01:35 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean there are simply more factors than your narrative covers by far
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; 1977
01:35 highest_cubist_thrills; the conclusion may be accurate but you get there is pretty slapdash
01:35 DaemonFC; I've been deep cleaning. Tracking down the source of any foul odors.
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; one year ago: https://www.smf.co.uk/baby-shortage-could-spell-economic-stagnation-for-uk/
01:35 TR Bot; Baby shortage could spell economic stagnation for UK - Social Market Foundation.
01:35 DaemonFC; We're about to be sealed in for the winter and nobody likes smelly garbage can.
01:35 schestowitz[TR]; ""Birth rates in Britain are on the decline. In 2020, the total fertility rate (TFR) the number of children per woman stood at 1.58 in England & Wales, almost half the post-World War Two peak of 2.93. The recent decline in fertility is even more pronounced in Scotland, where the TFR is 1.29.
01:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]: "Baby shortage"
01:36 DaemonFC; LOL
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; 1.29 is almost as low as ssingapore pre-pendemic
01:36 highest_cubist_thrills; okay, so thats one datapoint
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; it was 0.7 iirc
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; singapore is unfit for kids
01:36 DaemonFC; The fertility rate in the US is lower than in the UK.
01:36 highest_cubist_thrills; how about 2021, 2022
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; tiny apartments and high cost of living
01:36 highest_cubist_thrills; how about outside the uk
01:36 DaemonFC; Despite everything the Catholics have done to attack our human rights.
01:36 highest_cubist_thrills; idk, i mean
01:36 highest_cubist_thrills; if you choose the right data...
01:36 highest_cubist_thrills; and you may be right
01:36 highest_cubist_thrills; its just-- your narrative covers a small part of reality
01:36 DaemonFC; mjg59_: "Under those standards, I would be considered Catholic."
01:36 schestowitz[TR]; ""
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; Since the early 1970s, the TFR has been below the critical replacement rate of 2.1 children. The SMF said that depending on the scale of immigration and trends in life expectancy, the UK could see its population shrinking in the 21st Century.
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; "Since the early 1970s, the TFR has been below the critical replacement rate of 2.1 children. The SMF said that depending on the scale of immigration and trends in life expectancy, the UK could see its population shrinking in the 21st Century.
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; "
01:37 DaemonFC; "You have picked up a cursed object."
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; like when mjg talks about california according to dfc, or when dfc talks about black people.
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; they pretend it is a crisis
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; im not saying youre being a bigot
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; in japan they just import workers or use robotics
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; just that your data is...
01:37 DaemonFC; California is a fucking disaster.
01:37 schestowitz[TR]; so it's a non--issue
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; your argument is... i mean, narrow
01:37 DaemonFC; Bringing in immigrants is fine. We have to watch out who we bring in.
01:37 DaemonFC; That they're not just here to crime and live off welfare.
01:37 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah japan automates the boring stuff
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; capitalism requires many birthds
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; to write off future debt
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; and lay it on someone
01:38 DaemonFC; Most of the people flocking in through the southern border come from countries that failed in every way, mostly due to Socialist autocrats.
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; "human resources"
01:38 schestowitz[TR]; it is also more "consumers"
01:38 DaemonFC; They're not well educated.
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; imagine what would happen to capitalism is human population fell to 8,000,000 million
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; how many "Sales"...
01:39 DaemonFC; We get randomness.
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; how many "estate" vacant and given away for pennies
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: japan is strict
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; they need to know the language
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; and maybe have ample prior experience
01:39 MinceR; lol @ baby shortage
01:39 schestowitz[TR]; so the locals can focus on tech careers
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; MinceR: manufacture more
01:40 DaemonFC; The US just wants to keep its own population down.
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; until supply meets demand
01:40 DaemonFC; They can always make more "Americans" wealthy by letting mjg59_ flash his credit cards on the way past USCIS.
01:40 DaemonFC; What they're doing is absolutely sickening.
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; it just cause price hikes
01:40 schestowitz[TR]; homes becoming more expensive
01:40 frog; schestowitz[TR]: in capitalist theory, thats a write-off on the balance sheet, this is what happens
01:41 schestowitz[TR]; that's what happens in thhhhhhhhhe uk when saudis and chinese buy whole blocks of apartments and homes
01:41 schestowitz[TR]; barrier acting up, sorryu
01:41 frog; too, you might consider write-offs with 10000000 million people, that's besides the point
01:41 frog; it's just that called that: write-offs
01:41 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR]: It's pissing me the hell off, Roy.
01:41 highest_cubist_thrills; barrier acting up, sorry <- youll get more babies that way
01:41 DaemonFC; I still can't believe I voted for Darren Bailey.
01:41 DaemonFC; The Democrats are worse than an actual Nazi that doesn't hide it very well.
01:41 frog; and if a write-off isn't done in balance-sheets, that's typically called bancruptcy fraud or similar
01:42 schestowitz[TR]; my keyboard in irc is running over the LAN
01:42 DaemonFC; The Democrats corrode this state and they do it while seeming to pander to the poor.
01:42 schestowitz[TR]; bad networking = lag= bad typos
01:43 frog; and if assets are wish-thinked with imaginary value dollars, that's typicall called inflation
01:43 schestowitz[TR]; both dems and gop believe in business supremacy
01:43 schestowitz[TR]; and 99% of voters will vote fot a business supremacy party next month
01:44 MinceR; 12 024005 < schestowitz[TR]> MinceR: manufacture more
01:44 MinceR; got to turn all matter in the universe into human bodies.
01:44 schestowitz[TR]; you can convert dead ones
01:45 schestowitz[TR]; we're overcapacity]
01:45 schestowitz[TR]; the planet's carrying capacity
01:45 frog; in economic theory, some say write-offs are unavoidable austerity, others say it's stimulus avoiding them
01:45 schestowitz[TR]; we borrow fossil fuel
01:45 schestowitz[TR]; from millions of dead lives underground
01:45 schestowitz[TR]; "reserves"
01:45 schestowitz[TR]; the human population exploded with the induystrial revolution, powered by fuell
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.britannica.com/topic/modernization/Population-change
01:46 TR Bot; - Population change | Britannica
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth
01:46 TR Bot; World Population Growth - Our World in Data
01:46 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.vox.com/2016/1/30/10872878/world-population-map
01:46 TR Bot; the world went from 170 million people to 7.3 billion, in one map - Vox
01:46 frog; human population size increased before already: growth famine growth famine growth famine
01:46 frog; what we got nowadays is: growth growth growth and contraception
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; "From about 1700 there was a second and far more rapid population explosion. Since the late 1600s the worlds population has increased more than 15-fold. "
01:47 schestowitz[TR]; "It took 200 years, to 1825, to double the worlds population from 500 million to 1 billion. It took only 100 years to achieve the next doubling, bringing the total to 2 billion by 1930, and only 45 years to achieve yet another doubling, to 4 billion by 1975."
01:47 frog; now we got IPv6
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01:48 schestowitz[TR]; ipv6 is old
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; we studied it in uni more than 20 years ago
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; and it's still barely adopted
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; less than ipv4
01:48 schestowitz[TR]; the funny thing is, it has bits reserved for planet
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; how optimistic
01:49 frog; ipv6 infra is fully deployed, eat this
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; thinking we'd assign ip addresses to machines in other planets
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01:49 schestowitz[TR]; at the moment we use proprietary networks to contact just some lousy space vehicles
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; frog: barely enabled and exploited
01:49 schestowitz[TR]; it's on "reserve"
01:49 frog; anyway, IPv6 won't solve another huge issue: which is the exploding BGP routing table sizes, they always lied about this, the industry
01:50 schestowitz[TR]; and windows has a lot to do with bad adoption rates
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01:50 frog; how?
01:50 schestowitz[TR]; many still use WIndows XP
01:50 schestowitz[TR]; for starters...
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01:50 schestowitz[TR]; also, windows stuff is toyish
01:50 schestowitz[TR]; it's not made by geeks
01:50 schestowitz[TR]; and not for geeeks
01:50 schestowitz[TR]; for resellers and MBAs
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01:50 frog; almost noone does, and 99% of all micros~1 win vista type systems got full ipv6 support, anyway, and growth
01:51 frog; i would say, let micros~1 bother with the gamers and toys and business suits, then i don't need to
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01:54 frog; currently, global fertilizer shipping is declining, and with it lower harvests expected, globally
01:55 TR News; "Using a function in bash allows you to create something in Linux that works as if it were a script within a script. Whenever the data being processed matches a set of conditions, your script can call a function that does further processing." https://www.networkworld.com/article/3676280/using-functions-in-bash-to-selectively-run-a-group-of-linux-commands.html
01:55 TR Bot; Using functions in bash to selectively run a group of Linux commands | Network World
01:55 frog; that's not gonna be the climate change, "international community" was thinking about
01:55 schestowitz[TR]; frog: yes, energy impacts food
01:55 schestowitz[TR]; we convert energy into food
01:55 schestowitz[TR]; and vice verse
01:56 schestowitz[TR]; not just thr transport in farming but also food boosters
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01:59 TR News; ICBM is boosting Microsoft proprietary software. Red Hat is NOT competing. https://www.networkworld.com/article/3675958/kyndryl-microsoft-tie-mainframe-to-azure-cloud-resources.html#tk.rss_all
01:59 TR Bot; Kyndryl, Microsoft tie mainframe to Azure cloud resources | Network World
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 48.70 k/sec., IPFS upstream 152.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 120.96
02:00 DaemonFC; https://nitter.it/mjg59/status/1579740898443001857#m
02:00 TR Bot; Garrett (@mjg59): "Big shout out to Intel for shipping a Linux version of MEInfo with full debug symbols you've made my life a great deal easier"|nitter.it
02:00 DaemonFC; Then there was mjg59_ thanking Intel for something related to the Management Engine. (malware)
02:01 schestowitz[TR]; ME is not there for the user
02:01 schestowitz[TR]; but to work against the user
02:01 schestowitz[TR]; and it cannot be disabled
02:01 schestowitz[TR]; if you find out how, they threaten you
02:01 schestowitz[TR]; as librem/purism shows
02:01 schestowitz[TR]; they removed the blog post
02:01 schestowitz[TR]; mobile phones are even worse
02:02 schestowitz[TR]; the whole device is remotely controlled by a second OS
02:02 schestowitz[TR]; regimes already have tools for remote access https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
02:02 schestowitz[TR]; *access
02:03 TR Bot; Vault7 - Home
02:03 schestowitz[TR]; https://wikileaks.org/vault8/
02:03 TR Bot; WikiLeaks - Vault 8
02:03 frog; "out of (radio/channel) band management", or "sidechannel" it's called, which isn't visible
02:03 frog; most of it is probably based upon on terminal access with serial uart, Intel ME got a serial port
02:04 frog; all GPS got serial port access too, with some operating system inside
02:05 frog; and, USB, whatever those chips hide inside, and there is other protocols (I2C, IPMI and whatnot, lots of communication channels scattered all over)
02:06 frog; well, and from there, UMTS, that's out-of-scope of freedom, that's all Telekom territory, with protocols rarely heard of before
02:06 TR News; Devin Lin's (espidev) Blog today: Akademy 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/01/Akademy_2022_Timetable_Videos_and_More.shtml
02:06 TR Bot; Tux Machines Akademy 2022 Timetable, Videos, and More (UPDATEDx2)
02:06 frog; "intelligent network" is one of this, the mobile variant being CAMEL/CAP, together with "mobile number portability"
02:06 frog; meaning, nowadays, the entire service provider designation is fully virtualized
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; service [sic] provider [sic]
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; mobile networks are controllers
02:07 frog; and _all_ mobile phone signalling "triggered" into "intelligent network" protocol domain
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; over the "clients"
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; a lot of the standards there are under NDA
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; 'free' and 'open'... with patents and NDA to sign
02:07 schestowitz[TR]; and controlled by national telecoms
02:08 frog; one thought, for example, the mobile network voice box is controlled by intelligent network (IN) protocol... wouldn't surprise me if they could or would record all phone calls
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; of regimes that insist they must see all communications, location etc.
02:08 frog; and extract content with speech-to-text recognition, inside IN
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; the western media says that's bad only when "bad" acountries do this
02:08 schestowitz[TR]; when in fact they're very much behind technically when it comes to such spying
02:09 frog; i had seen on TV, in UK "unregistered" SIM cards are sold; i wouldn't trust those too
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; it's not enough
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; SIM is one of several IDs
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; the phone has another pair of schemes
02:09 frog; mobile phones, all of them got an IMEI, and remember the "paranoia" of mine, with the earlobe or hidden tooth implants?
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; they identify the device
02:09 schestowitz[TR]; aside from that, they can figure out ID by contacts, location etc.
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; if you value privacy, you will never have a mobile phone
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; except down the toilet
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; oor without batteries in some drawer
02:10 frog; then they got a near-field RFID identification of the _person_ and the _device_ and instantly got the anonymous SIM-card (IMSI) debunked
02:10 schestowitz[TR]; btw, new and "modern" phones barely let you disengage the battery
02:11 frog; another one is, whenever you phone-call anyone else, text-to-speech synthesis, not sure how far they progressed with this
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; frog: they don't need to plantt rfid in you
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; they know where you live
02:11 schestowitz[TR]; they can see your connections
02:11 frog; schestowitz[TR]: nonetheless they did it
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; and changing nyms in irc won't fool bnd or even the local police
02:12 MinceR; if you think they've planted rfid in you, why not use a headset
02:12 frog; i don't care, all conversations are public here
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; show me an example of people found to have had tooth implants for trakcing by spies
02:12 MinceR; or speakerphone
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; or ear implants
02:12 schestowitz[TR]; go ahead
02:12 frog; schestowitz[TR]: "lone gunmen" (X-files series)
02:13 schestowitz[TR]; lol
02:13 frog; call me lunatic about this
02:13 schestowitz[TR]; x-files
02:13 schestowitz[TR]; sci-fi
02:13 frog; however, i got some other memories
02:13 frog; too
02:13 schestowitz[TR]; enemy of the state?
02:13 frog; and that's not why my eyes turn blood red in anger about them
02:13 schestowitz[TR]; even there, will smith had things attached to his clothes
02:13 frog; schestowitz[TR]: no, the state is the enemy of itself
02:13 frog; they're wrecking it, themselves
02:13 frog; and nothing i could do or say would change anything anymore
02:13 schestowitz[TR]; i'm referring to a movie
02:14 schestowitz[TR]; the one nsa was concerned about
02:14 schestowitz[TR]; based on foia, iirc
02:14 frog; i don't need any thriller movies anymore
02:15 DaemonFC; https://www.phoronix.com/news/LLVM-Clang-15-Benchmarks
02:15 TR Bot; Clang 15 Delivers Some Small x86_64 Performance Improvements But Mostly Flat - Phoronix
02:15 DaemonFC; Another shitpost
02:15 DaemonFC; People are using OpenSSL all the time.
02:15 DaemonFC; JPEG-XL isn't even used by anyone yet.
02:15 schestowitz[TR]; I saw this
02:15 schestowitz[TR]; no references
02:15 frog; anyway, the telekom protocol domain, that's completely out of scope of the free-software stuff mjg59_ is doing, even when i appreciate his work and efforts
02:16 schestowitz[TR]; no results
02:16 schestowitz[TR]; no charts
02:16 schestowitz[TR]; nothing
02:16 schestowitz[TR]; phoronix, "is nice"...
02:16 schestowitz[TR]; "Trust me, it's fast"
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02:16 frog; he, nor anyone else, nor myself, could hack into Telekom and core-network operations (where i did a traineeship while ago)
02:16 frog; i doubt they'll be capable to hack it themselves soon enough
02:17 frog; because, even without all the surveillance crap, i consider alot of it in bad shape
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02:17 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: sometimes the comments are worth reading before the aricles
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; to identify the black holes
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; the lost info
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; but the forums there too are sanitised
02:17 schestowitz[TR]; banned users
02:18 DaemonFC; https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.nytimes.com%252F2022%252F10%252F11%252Fus%252Fpolitics%252Fbiden-saudi-arabia-oil-production-cut.html
02:18 TR Bot; Gemini Portal
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; ksa: election meddling
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; intervention
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; but..
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; it's OK.... bcause Saudi
02:18 frog; could barely catch up with 2G GSM anymore at that time, and they rolled out a next generation network every few month since then, almost 20years ago
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; they can do anything they want
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; they can even do 9/11 and then 4 presendents will cover up the 28 pages
02:18 schestowitz[TR]; bush, obama, trump, bailout biden
02:18 frog; which is another reason why, i NEVER used any "smart phone" ever in my life, never will
02:19 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/03/privacy-of-mobile-phones/
02:19 TR Bot; The Privacy Problem Associated With All Mobile Phones (Even Dumb Ones) is Worse Than Snowden Put It | Techrights
02:19 schestowitz[TR]; btw, hours ago rianne told me out boss wants to givge us a 'free' smart phone
02:19 schestowitz[TR]; I then checked the wording and laughed
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02:20 schestowitz[TR]; that our employer turns itself into a farce
02:20 schestowitz[TR]; lying to clients, not getting security basics
02:20 schestowitz[TR]; at least it's a source of comedy
02:21 frog; behind the shiny facade of those "smart phones", tech is in really really bad shape, regardless of any surveillance
02:21 frog; and i didn't oppose "lawful interception" (that's the term for it) ever, i oppose the mass surveillance crap which isn't _lawful_
02:21 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D381.jpg
02:21 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D726.jpg
02:21 frog; whatever argument they bring forward, it isn't neither _lawful_ nor necessary nor effective
02:22 schestowitz[TR]; the argument they fancy making is,
02:22 schestowitz[TR]; we need to spy on everyone
02:22 schestowitz[TR]; to classify people
02:22 schestowitz[TR]; and then look deeper into the "baddies"
02:22 schestowitz[TR]; but there are easy refutation arguments
02:23 frog; even then, there is boundaries to what _lawful_ means, to distinguish online and offline surveillance, surveillance of connection data or session content
02:23 schestowitz[TR]; that's also like saying you need to individually check every corn seed
02:23 schestowitz[TR]; in case there is metal in it
02:24 frog; there is a giant shitload of surveillance everywhere, and it's never enough, hence they want more all the time, which too is an economic incentive
02:24 schestowitz[TR]; over time the surveillance deepensa
02:24 schestowitz[TR]; and it's about power, coercion, social control
02:24 frog; produce useless surveillance crap, it's useless, ask for more of it, and more cash to do it
02:24 schestowitz[TR]; not national stability and safety
02:24 schestowitz[TR]; see belarus
02:25 frog; too it's a difference, to place _public_ life under surveillance, and _private_ life
02:25 frog; i had never heard of any demands for mass surveillance of _public_ life, which is car traffic in public, and each vehicle equipped to monitor behaviour in public
02:25 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/10/eu-watchdog-probes-frontex-eeas-support-to-non-eu-states-to-develop-surveillance
02:25 TR Bot; watchdog probes Frontex & EEAS support to non-EU states to develop surveillance | Euronews
02:26 frog; and why is that? _many_ lives can be saved by surveillance of cars... ever heard any demands for this?
02:26 frog; i didn't
02:26 frog; and surveillance of _public_ life is less critical than _private_ life, nonetheless, what do they intend to spie on?
02:27 frog; in the end, this too is mostly this only: maximizing profits, into the cash pockets of a few
02:28 frog; and well, not using any modern web browser and no smartphone, too is helpful to keep the profile lower than usual
02:29 frog; it's probably best to avoid any online shopping and digital money transfer too, and pay with cash wherever possible
02:32 frog; i never carry my ancient mobile phone with me, and moved it to another room, where it cannot evedrop with it's microphone
02:32 frog; i would never accept a girlfriend together with a "smart phone" anywhere close myself ever
02:33 frog; whenever i see a women with smartphone: FAILED, gtfo
02:33 frog; and smart they are nowadays, just like their smart phones
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; <frog> and why is that? _many_ lives can be saved by surveillance of cars... ever heard any demands for this?
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; worse
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; many lives can be loist
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; it is a double-edge sword
02:33 schestowitz[TR]; edged
02:34 schestowitz[TR]; it assumes the myth of beneviolent dictatorships
02:34 schestowitz[TR]; or companies in the public interest
02:34 frog; schestowitz[TR]: i am not a supporter of surveillance, all i am saying is a less critical variant of it is NOT demanded, although the benefit would be undisputable to do it
02:34 frog; instead, they spie on anything else, to maximize profits
02:35 DaemonFC; Biden's pardon of people convicted of marijuana possession only includes US citizens.
02:35 frog; out of curiosity, was there any woman remaining without smart phone nowadays?
02:36 frog; i mean, within my social realm and intellect... i gave up a decade ago already
02:36 frog; not this was of any relevance, just saying, that's another aspect
02:36 TR News; (NEW): Containers: Kata, Clown Native, and eBPF and the Service Mesh http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Containers_Kata_Clown_Native_and_eBPF_and_the_Service_Mesh.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Containers_Kata_Clown_Native_and_eBPF_and_the_Service_Mesh.gmi
02:36 TR Bot; Tux Machines Containers: Kata, Clown Native, and eBPF and the Service Mesh
02:36 TR News; (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/today_s_leftovers.gmi
02:36 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
02:36 DaemonFC; So that means that if you were a non-citizen charged with the same offense, you can't get a green card due to Biden's pardon.
02:36 frog; and i am not saying it, i live by it, without compromise, i had enought of this, 20years ago already
02:37 frog; DaemonFC: i don't give a f whatever wherever about the Biddler Joe of yours
02:37 DaemonFC; He's just trying to influence the election at this point.
02:38 DaemonFC; Same as with the illegal entitlement program of "debt forgiveness" for student loans.
02:38 TR News; Links 11/10/2022: WordPress 6.1 Release Candidate 1 (RC1) and New KDE Plasma | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/11/wordpress-6-1-rc1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/11/wordpress-6-1-rc1/
02:38 TR Bot; Links 11/10/2022: WordPress 6.1 Release Candidate 1 (RC1) and New KDE Plasma | Techrights
02:38 DaemonFC; After what happened in New York, it's official.
02:38 DaemonFC; If your professor flunks you, just cancel the professor.
02:38 DaemonFC; :)
02:38 frog; i had not received regular salary for almost 20 years now, i don't give a f whatever about any debt
02:38 DaemonFC; Have fun when the next generation of doctors graduates.
02:39 DaemonFC; No weed out classes, and half of them on weed.
02:39 frog; and Biddler Joe can't nor won't pay my bills, so what
02:39 frog; however i received an energy bill recently... guess what
02:39 frog; as a rough estimate, up to $10000/Barrel oil energy equivalent... discuss
02:39 DaemonFC; The German government charged you $1,500 for not using anything.
02:40 DaemonFC; So they can save the planet.
02:40 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-111022.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-111022.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-111022.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-111022.txt
02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 11, 2022
02:40 frog; DaemonFC parroting
02:40 frog; anyway
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02:45 frog; imagine this, i met a woman, and told here: either you quit with this "smart phone" or you're gone forever
02:45 frog; if i see you once with such a device in your hand, you're out
02:45 TR News; iTWire - Fortinet authentication bypass flaw being exploited in the wild https://itwire.com/security/fortinet-authentication-bypass-flaw-being-exploited-in-the-wild.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/security/fortinet-authentication-bypass-flaw-being-exploited-in-the-wild.html
02:45 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-10-11.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-10-11.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:45 TR Bot; - Fortinet authentication bypass flaw being exploited in the wild
02:46 frog; needless to say, no shitbook, no shitter, no social shit, once and you're gone
02:46 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> or companies in the public interest <- spi, inc
02:46 highest_cubist_thrills; spiware :)
02:46 TR News; iTWire - Telstra chair refuses to criticise Optus over data breach https://itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/telstra-chair-refuses-to-criticise-optus-over-data-breach.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/telstra-chair-refuses-to-criticise-optus-over-data-breach.html
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02:46 TR Bot; - Telstra chair refuses to criticise Optus over data breach
02:46 highest_cubist_thrills; microsoft loaded [ok]
02:46 highest_cubist_thrills; ibm loaded [pk]
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; sjw army loaded [ok]
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; geocode loaded [ok]
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; osi anebled
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; enabled
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; mozilla loaded [ok]
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; the "osi model"
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; suse (Sap) misled
02:47 highest_cubist_thrills; Obviously Some Infiltrators
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; u SAP at riot
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; SAP-backed riot
02:47 schestowitz[TR]; against RMS
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; hosted by microsoft
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; built using microsoft typescript
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; managed by hamasman (ICBM)
02:48 schestowitz[TR]; hamasman... known as a weapon against "jews"
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02:51 frog; if bob marly would sing a song, it was "no woman no smartphone, no smartphone no cry" nowadays
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02:52 frog; uhuhuhhuuuhu "shall i remember, no smartphone, no woman, no smartphone no cry"
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02:54 frog; didn't think about it for a while, i am not interested in the hysterical madness anyway, that's too much to tolerate already with them, nowadays
02:55 frog; however, even if, if such a beast would carry a smart phone into my living space, never ever, no way
02:56 frog; and even then, there's still ordinary computers, which they use for their social nonsense, not any different
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02:58 frog; i can't accept this
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03:05 DaemonFC; https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/tree/webkitglib/2.38
03:05 TR Bot; - WebKit/WebKit at webkitglib/2.38
03:05 DaemonFC; WebkitGTK is moved over to github with everything else.
03:05 frog; nowadays, they're all assimilated into the smart phone collective, like the Borg
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03:08 frog; it's just like in "first contact" when Picard freaks out over the Borg:
03:08 frog; "The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done!"
03:08 frog; which is wimmin, and their smart phones
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03:16 TR News; Microsoft fascism https://theintercept.com/2022/09/07/microsoft-military-union-cwa/ trying to be bailed out by helping fascists http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/
03:16 TR Bot; Labor Union Censored Report Criticizing Microsofts Military Contracts
03:16 TR Bot; Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights
03:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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03:23 TR News; iTWire - Australia's India relationship is driven by fear of China https://itwire.com/open-sauce/australia-s-india-relationship-is-driven-by-fear-of-china.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/open-sauce/australia-s-india-relationship-is-driven-by-fear-of-china.html
03:23 TR Bot; - Australia's India relationship is driven by fear of China
03:25 TR News; Disclosure missing. Heather Joslyn is paid by the anti-Linux Foundation to issue these terrible and misleading puff pieces. https://thenewstack.io/making-europes-romantic-open-source-world-more-practical/ LF 'Europe' is a monopolists' think tank, foreign interference http://techrights.org/2022/10/03/european-school-the-hague/
03:25 TR Bot; Making Europes Romantic Open Source World More Practical - The New Stack
03:25 TR Bot; European School The Hague (ESH) Faces a Crisis and Families of EPO Workers Are Harmed Profoundly | Techrights
03:26 TR News; Microsoft-funded anti-Linux Foundation http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation
03:26 TR Bot; Linux Foundation - Techrights
03:28 TR News; "Content sponsored by a company affiliated with Insight Partners will include additional disclosure indicating that the sponsor is under common control with TNS." They violate their OWN policy now. https://thenewstack.io/disclosure-guidelines/
03:28 TR Bot; Disclosures - The New Stack
03:28 TR News; LF uses Microsoft and ICBM money to buy terrible and misleading puff pieces https://thenewstack.io/open-source-summit-introducing-linux-foundation-europe/
03:28 TR Bot; At Open Source Summit: Introducing Linux Foundation Europe - The New Stack
03:29 DaemonFC; https://techcrunch.com/2022/10/11/fintech-brex-layoffs-restructuring/?guccounter=1
03:29 TR Bot; valued at $12.3B earlier this year, lays off 11% of staff as part of restructuring TechCrunch
03:29 DaemonFC; 136 layoffs, finance, San Francisco
03:30 DaemonFC; Udacity just made another major round of layoffs. No specific number. San Francisco. (Education)
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04:03 TR News; Money Corrupts: The New Stack (TNS) Violates Its Own Policy for Linux Foundation, Repeatedly Publishes Misleading Propaganda Without Any Disclosure | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/11/heather-joslyn-lf-puff-pieces/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/11/heather-joslyn-lf-puff-pieces/
04:03 TR Bot; Money Corrupts: The New Stack (TNS) Violates Its Own Policy for Linux Foundation, Repeatedly Publishes Misleading Propaganda Without Any Disclosure | Techrights
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04:07 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, October 11, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
04:07 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
04:07 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:07 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
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04:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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04:37 TR News; (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Today_in_Techrights.gmi
04:37 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
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04:41 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/laporte-post-copenhagen-citytv-11-oct-63801113
04:41 TR Bot; Laporte proud of ten-man City's display in Copenhagen
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04:49 DaemonFC; I wonder how many "site compat" problems with Pale Moon come from it adding Pale Moon and Goanna to the User Agent.
04:50 DaemonFC; Fucking Cloudflare keeps locking you out because your User Agent is "unknown" or something completely idiotic like that.
04:50 DaemonFC; So if you want to be sure, it has to EXACTLY match a Firefox User Agent or else.
04:51 TR News; Use openstreetmap instead; Gulag Maps is spyware. https://www.maketecheasier.com/drop-pins-google-maps/
04:51 TR Bot; How to Drop Pins in Google Maps for More Accurate Directions - Make Tech Easier
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04:52 TR News; Based on old reports from corporate media, CIA gets real-time back-end access to Google Maps to check how you use it
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04:53 TR News; Shocking: there USED to be REAL journalism on the WWW.
04:53 TR News; Making Europes Romantic Open Source World More Practical was published some minutes ago. Disclosure is missing, as before. Heather Joslyn, the editor of the site, is paid by the Microsoft-funded front group to issue these misleading pieces, prepared by the companies they cover. http://techrights.org/2022/10/11/heather-joslyn-lf-puff-pieces/
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04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 126.06 average k/sec., average swarm size 128.31
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05:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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05:47 psydruid; https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/new-14-inch-Rockchip-RK3588-Octa_1600546769041.html
05:47 TR Bot; 14 Inch Rockchip Rk3588 Octa-core 8gb 16gb Ram 64gb 128gb Rom Ai Npu 6tops Android 12.0 Ubuntu Linux Arm Rk3588 Laptop - Buy Customizable Custom Notebook With Logo Rk3588 8 Core 128gb Rom 512gb Rom Oem Arm Computer,Rk3588 Computer,Rk3588 Laptop Product on Alibaba.com
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.70 k/sec., IPFS upstream 181.98 average k/sec., average swarm size 130.00
06:10 DaemonFC; I learned that you have to be very careful with the User Agent.
06:10 DaemonFC; Get one thing wrong and Cloudflare sites stop working because they don't know what your browser is.
06:10 DaemonFC; This is horrible.
06:11 DaemonFC; You shouldn't even have to lie about your User Agent, but if you do, it has to at least be some take on Chrome, Firefox, or Safari.
06:11 DaemonFC; I think that wget supports UA overrides, probably because someone bounced off a Cloudflare check or something.
06:17 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I'm reading Freakonomics chapter 4 "Where Have All the Criminals Gone?".
06:17 DaemonFC; The situation in Communist Romania regarding abortion seems to be the way the United States is going.
06:17 DaemonFC; There's even calls for a "celibacy tax" in the mainstream news now.
06:18 schestowitz[TR]; brb
06:18 schestowitz[TR]; sorry, 6 am here
06:19 TR News; "Before the year 1500 or so, Western Europeans mainly tuned their instruments in three-limit just intonation" http://www.ethanhein.com/wp/2022/tuning-is-hard/ |
06:20 TR Bot; Tuning is hard | The Ethan Hein Blog
06:20 TR News; "Its time to get me up to speed with modern CSS. Theres so much new in CSS that I know too little about." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/100daysof-day12/ | Source: Manuel Matuzovic
06:20 TR Bot; Day 12: max() trickery - Manuel Matuzovi
06:20 TR News; "Let's have fun doing OpenBSD kiosks!" https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-10-11-openbsd-kiosk.html | Source: Data Swamp
06:20 TR Bot; Solene'% : A kiosk computer running OpenBSD
06:20 TR News; "The Mastodon instance Ive been using, mastodon.technology" https://codingitwrong.com/2022/10/10/migrating-a-mastodon-account.html |
06:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:20 TR Bot; a Mastodon Account | CodingItWrong.com
06:21 TR News; "I was asked today whether Ive a list of ideas for using Ansibles local facts, and my answer was, sadly, no." https://jpmens.net/2022/10/11/ideas-for-using-ansible-local-facts/ | Source: Jan Piet Mens
06:21 TR Bot; Jan-Piet Mens :: Ideas for using Ansible local facts
06:21 TR News; "Let's say you want to self-host a Gemini capsule and a weblog. Maybe you'll use a Raspberry Pi or VPS server." https://tobykurien.com/simpler-linux-selfhosting/ | Source: Toby Kurien
06:21 TR Bot; Simpler Linux self-hosting with tmux and bubblewrap | Toby Kurien
06:21 TR News; [Old] "This article is a timeline of events in (or related to) the history of the Eamon text adventure series" https://eamon.wiki/Timeline_of_Eamon_history |
06:21 TR Bot; Timeline of Eamon history - Eamon Wiki
06:21 TR News; [Old] "I've finished a rough port of the bocfel Z-code interpreter for the Pico." https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=316321 |
06:21 TR Bot; A Pico Z-machine - Raspberry Pi Forums
06:22 TR News; "As is the usual way of things, the monthly Activity Report is hereby combined with my Contract Report." https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/waddlesplash/2022-10-10_haiku_activity_contract_report_september_2022/ | Source: HaikuOS
06:22 TR Bot; Haiku Activity & Contract Report, September 2022 | Haiku Project
06:24 TR News; "Kona II: Brume is the follow-up to 2017's Kona from Parabole / Ravenscourt bringing another cold and mysterious adventure to walk through." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/mystery-adventure-kona-ii-brume-gets-a-linux-demo-ready-for-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
06:24 TR Bot; adventure Kona II: Brume gets a Linux demo ready for Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
06:24 TR News; "Up for more pointing and clicking while adventuring? You've come to the right spooky place, with Foolish Mortals being announced with Native Linux support" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/foolish-mortals-is-an-upcoming-spooky-point-and-click-adventure/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
06:24 TR Bot; Mortals is an upcoming spooky point and click adventure | GamingOnLinux
06:25 TR News; "Time to get some more really cheap games, as Fanatical have launched their Dollar Collections sale and there's plenty of good choices in there to get you through the upcoming cold winter nights." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/fanatical-running-an-awesome-dollar-collections-sale/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
06:25 TR Bot; running an awesome 'Dollar Collections' sale | GamingOnLinux
06:25 TR News; "Don't fancy buying from JSAUX and don't need the charger + extra expense of the official Steam Deck Docking Station? ivoler are another good choice." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/the-upgraded-ivoler-steam-deck-docking-station-is-another-good-choice/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
06:25 TR Bot; upgraded ivoler Steam Deck Docking Station is another good choice | GamingOnLinux
06:25 DaemonFC; "Moreover, studies have shown that an unemployment decline of 1 percentage point accounts for a 1 percent drop in nonviolent crime."
06:26 DaemonFC; So the Fed is admitting it wants to increase robberies by 3%.
06:26 TR News; iophk: windows tco -- windows botnets made the ddos possible https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/kremlin-cyberattacks-us-airports-kirby/story?id=91323988
06:26 TR Bot; 'Too soon to know' whether Kremlin was behind cyberattacks on US airports, Kirby says - ABC News
06:26 DaemonFC; I disagree with their logic that a strong economy would only affect financially-motivated crimes.
06:27 DaemonFC; High unemployment and the despair setting in also increases drug abuse and leads people to wonder what the hell they have to lose if they go to jail for raping someone.
06:27 DaemonFC; So it obviously lowers the bar.
06:27 TR News; ad hominem, appeal to novelty, and just plain wrong: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-101022.html#tOct%2010%2020:33:11 https://www.usf.edu/hr-training/documents/lunch-bytes/generationaldifferenceschart.pdf https://www.careerplanner.com/Career-Articles/Generations.cfm
06:27 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 10, 2022
06:27 TR Bot; The Generations - Which Generation are You?
06:28 DaemonFC; If you have a good job and a good life, you're probably less likely to rape someone and overdose on drugs than someone saying "This sucks. I'm broke. I'm being evicted. Nobody's hiring. What difference does anything I do make anymore?".
06:28 DaemonFC; mjg59_, I said "rape" btw. You can go nuts now.
06:28 DaemonFC; I also said you can go nuts, which is an ableist term or something.
06:28 TR News; Facebook = espionage https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/meta-ireland-and-data-protection-4175717656/
06:28 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/meta-ireland-and-data-protection-4175717656/ )
06:28 DaemonFC; Even though I'm nuts.
06:28 DaemonFC; I've got the pills for being nuts.
06:29 DaemonFC; So you can verbally abuse a mentally ill homosexual man some more I guess.
06:29 DaemonFC; If that's how a guy living in a house with a $3 million mortgage gets his rocks off.
06:30 TR News; "yes, its very clear that mjg wants nothing more than to stop you from talking about patents" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-101022.html#tOct%2010%2008:08:18
06:30 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 10, 2022
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06:30 DaemonFC; I'm just pointing out that someone who may be inclined to rape may have second thoughts that make him change his mind if his life is going so well the state prison is a threat.
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06:31 DaemonFC; That shouldn't be a controversial point to make in an argument about the root causes of crime.
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06:31 DaemonFC; "Having something they can take away." stabilizes society and lowers all sorts of crime.
06:31 TR News; "CrowdSupply recently featured the Bee Motion S3 board which integrates sensors such as a PIR motion and a light ambient sensor." https://linuxgizmos.com/sensing-board-equipped-with-esp32-s3-soc/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
06:31 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/sensing-board-equipped-with-esp32-s3-soc/ )
06:31 DaemonFC; You take everything away from a man, and the only thing that stops him is what sort of a man he is.
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06:32 TR News; "The find command is a powerhouse for searching files based on a number of criteria." https://linuxhandbook.com/find-with-regex/ | Source: Linux Handbook
06:32 TR Bot; Find Command in Linux With Regex [5 Examples]
06:32 TR News; "In this guide, we will learn what is sshpass utility, how to install sshpass in Linux and FreeBSD systems" https://ostechnix.com/sshpass-noninteractive-ssh-password-provider/ | Source: OSTechNix
06:32 TR Bot; sshpass for Non-interactive SSH login In Scripts - OSTechNix
06:32 DaemonFC; That's why not everyone responds to bullies by coming back in and shooting, for example.
06:32 DaemonFC; Most people who are wronged have an aversion, morally, to murder.
06:33 DaemonFC; Some don't.
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06:33 DaemonFC; So you get the ones who don't making the news cycle.
06:33 TR News; "However, skipping intervening releases does, in fact, often work quite well." https://diziet.dreamwidth.org/13087.html | Source: Diziet
06:33 TR Bot; diziet | Skipping releases when upgrading Debian systems
06:34 TR News; "John Deere purchased the spectrum as part of an overall plan to modernize its factories." https://staceyoniot.com/how-john-deere-built-its-own-cellular-network-for-its-factory/ | Source: Stacey on IoT
06:34 TR Bot; How John Deere built its own cellular network for its factory - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
06:34 DaemonFC; I look at these school shooters, and I see a pattern. I see a pattern of a system that failed them. It failed at reaching them educationally. It failed to create a safe school environment where they weren't getting beaten up every day.
06:34 TR News; "In this Daniel Lupien YouTube short, he show you how easy it is to create a simple mold and cast it with aluminum." https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/10/11/quick-and-easy-aluminum-casting/ | Source: Adafruit
06:34 TR Bot; Quick and easy aluminum casting Adafruit Industries Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers!
06:34 DaemonFC; And a lot of them just snap, right? And their parents have guns in the house.
06:34 DaemonFC; The fault is not the gun, it's the government.
06:35 TR News; "Microsofts sites are usually very poorly coded (like Outlook WebMail) and when the Illinois electric company, ComEd..." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/10/11/i-finally-got-around-to-submitting-a-web-compatibility-problem-report-on-comed-the-illinois-electric-company-to-pale-moon-forum/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
06:35 TR Bot; I finally got around to submitting a Web Compatibility problem report on ComEd (the Illinois electric company) to Pale Moon Forum. (Microsoft-related) | BaronHK's Rants
06:35 TR News; "Given an array of N numbers of type double, the standard way to sort it in C is to invoke the qsort function" https://lemire.me/blog/2022/10/11/the-number-of-comparisons-needed-to-sort-a-shuffled-array-qsort-versus-stdsort/ | Source: Daniel Lemire
06:35 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/10/11/the-number-of-comparisons-needed-to-sort-a-shuffled-array-qsort-versus-stdsort/ )
06:35 DaemonFC; The government runs the schools. Attendance at the government schools is mandatory. Therefore, the government should have to make the school safe to attend. But it doesn't. Most of the time, the faculty gangs up on the victim and sides with the bully.
06:35 TR News; "I recently had to work with a large piece of well aged and reliable legacy software that had to be modified to include data protection for some sensitive personal information due to recent legislation" https://soylentnews.org/~Rich/journal/12486 | Source: Soylent News
06:35 TR Bot; Journal of Rich (945)
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06:36 TR News; "I was browsing Gemini when I came across a response to my unit test question: [...]" http://boston.conman.org//2022/10/10.2 | Source: Sean Conner
06:36 TR Bot; An answer to my question about unit tests - The Boston Diaries - Captain Napalm
06:36 TR News; [Old] "making software easier through removing accidental complexity" https://codingitwrong.com/2022/04/07/human-centered-computing.html |
06:36 TR Bot; Computing | CodingItWrong.com
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06:37 TR News; "A primer. CSS is Turing complete" https://matt-rickard.com/where-logic-lives | Source: Matt Rickard
06:37 TR Bot; Where Logic Lives
06:37 TR News; "Gits model as a content-addressable file system suits me" https://idiomdrottning.org/git-faq | Source: Idiomdrottning
06:37 TR Bot; How the repos on this site work
06:37 TR News; "I am writing this article on my birthday to give my thanks and appreciations to those who helped me start and continue my journey with programming." https://theevilskeleton.gitlab.io/2022/10/10/how-I-started-programming-and-how-you-can-too.html | Source: Hari Rana
06:37 TR Bot; How I Started Programming, and How You Can Too | TheEvilSkeleton
06:37 DaemonFC; "During the first half of the twentieth century, the incidence of violent crime in the United States was, for the most part, fairly steady. But in the early 1960s, it began to climb. In retrospect, it is clear that one of the major factors pushing this trend was a more lenient justice system."
06:38 TR News; "We all strive to maintain healthier lifestyles, yet the kitchen is often the most challenging environment by far" https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/10/11/the-smart-badge-recognizes-kitchen-activities-with-its-suite-of-sensors/ | Source: Arduino
06:38 TR Bot; The Smart-Badge recognizes kitchen activities with its suite of sensors | Arduino Blog
06:38 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Illinois House passed a bill that would make felony possession of dangerous drugs a Class A Misdemeanor.
06:38 schestowitz[TR]; let's focus on tech
06:38 DaemonFC; This will cause a spike of violent crime. Drug dealers are not "non-violent".
06:38 TR News; [Old] "In no particular order, here are fourteen principles about how to disagree about tech respectfully." https://codingitwrong.com/2022/02/18/disagreeing-about-tech-respectfully.html |
06:38 TR Bot; About Tech Respectfully | CodingItWrong.com
06:38 DaemonFC; And treating them with kid gloves just means more of them will be out shooting and raping.
06:39 TR News; The Future of the Web is on the Edge https://deno.com/blog/the-future-of-web-is-on-the-edge |
06:39 TR Bot; The Future of the Web is on the Edge
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06:39 TR News; "It is time to catch up on a few developments in the field of storing data via chemicals, such as DNA." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/10/the-dna-typewriter.html | Source: David Rosenthal
06:39 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: The "DNA Typewriter"
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06:40 DaemonFC; "At the same time, politicians were growing increasingly softer on crimefor fear of sounding racist, as the economist Gary Becker has written, since African-Americans and Hispanics commit a disproportionate share of felonies. So if you were the kind of person who might want to commit a crime, the incentives were lining up in your favor: a slimmer likelihood of being convicted and, if convicted, a shorter prison term
06:40 DaemonFC; . Because criminals respond to incentives as readily as anyone, the result was a surge in crime.
06:40 DaemonFC; It took some time, and a great deal of political turmoil, but these incentives were eventually curtailed. Criminals who would have previously been set freefor drug-related offenses and parole revocation in particularwere instead locked up."
06:40 TR News; "The expulsions in Kandahar are part of the Talibans enforcement of its deeply controversial ban, which has fuelled protests inside the country and attracted international condemnation." https://hindupost.in/world/taliban-expel-schoolgirls-who-are-13-or-older-or-have-reached-puberty/ | Source: Hindu Post
06:40 TR Bot; Taliban expel schoolgirls who are 13 or older or have reached puberty
06:40 DaemonFC; We're going into a "softer on crime" cycle again and that will end the way you expect.
06:41 TR News; "The event company Lomatec has been accused of Islamophobia on social media for a message" https://medforth.biz/according-to-anasse-kazib-pointing-out-that-it-is-customary-in-france-to-wipe-ones-butt-with-toilet-paper-instead-of-by-hand-is-islamophobic/ | Source: Medforth
06:41 TR Bot; According to Anasse Kazib, pointing out that it is customary in France to wipe ones butt with toilet paper instead of by hand is Islamophobic Allah's Willing Executioners
06:42 TR News; "The Australian Securities and Investment Commission has been pushing for open access to consumers data" https://michaelwest.com.au/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-barrel-in-assault-on-privacy/ | Source: Michael West Media
06:42 TR Bot; Scraping the bottom of the barrel in assault on privacy - Michael West
06:42 starstreak; i wonder what linucks distro the neanderthals would use
06:45 TR News; "The Financial Stability Oversight Council a Treasury-led panel of top officials from the Federal Reserve" https://cacm.acm.org/news/265296-fsoc-warns-crypto-is-possible-systemic-risk/fulltext | Source: ACM
06:45 TR Bot; FSOC Warns Crypto is Possible Systemic Risk | News | Communications of the ACM
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06:46 TR News; "The Data Protection Commission (DPC) has submitted a draft decision in a large scale inquiry into Meta Platforms Ireland Limited (MPIL) to other Concerned Supervisory Authorities" https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/news-media/Irish-DPC-submits-Article-60-draft-decision-on-inquiry-into-Meta |
06:46 TR Bot; Irish DPC submits Article 60 draft decision on inquiry into Meta | 03/10/2022 | Data Protection Commission
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06:47 TR News; "If it werent for all the suffering and pain and fear, that might even be funny." https://off-guardian.org/2022/10/07/chicken-little-was-an-optimist/ | Source: Off Guardian
06:47 TR Bot; Chicken Little Was an Optimist OffGuardian
06:48 TR News; [Old] "It seems the answer is simple - just pivot to local news. Though who knows if your local news station is just owned by a central organization and fed scripts." https://connortumbleson.com/2022/07/11/local-news-is-dead/ |
06:48 TR Bot; not resolve host: connortumbleson.com; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://connortumbleson.com/2022/07/11/local-news-is-dead/ )
06:50 TR News; "To scan all IPv4 services, my colleagues and I at Stanford University have built a system called GPS, which is the first scalable and wall-time efficient solution" https://blog.apnic.net/2022/10/11/predicting-ipv4-services-across-all-ports/ | Source: APNIC
06:50 TR Bot; Predicting IPv4 services across all ports | APNIC Blog
06:51 TR News; "Piracy is on the rise." https://torrentfreak.com/online-piracy-continues-to-rise-with-the-us-firmly-in-the-lead-221011/ | Source: Torrent Freak
06:51 TR Bot; Piracy Continues to Rise With the US Firmly in the Lead * TorrentFreak
06:51 TR News; "Since its inception more than three decades ago, UK-based broadcaster Sky has been fighting piracy battles on multiple fronts." https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-whac-a-mole-sky-takes-on-teatv-cucotv-cinema-hd-221011/ | Source: Torrent Freak
06:51 TR Bot; Whac-A-Mole: Sky Takes On TeaTV, CucoTV & Cinema HD * TorrentFreak
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06:55 TR News; "I went to Integration systems classes. I dont really enjoy Java, but the teacher is actually teaching stuff I dont know anything about, Spring Boot Webflux. Its based on the Java Streams and recent Java features." gemini://dk.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-10-11.gmi
06:56 TR News; (NEW): Games: Mystery adventure Kona II: Brume, Foolish Mortals, Fanatical, ivoler http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Games_Mystery_adventure_Kona_II_Brume_Foolish_Mortals_Fanatical.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Games_Mystery_adventure_Kona_II_Brume_Foolish_Mortals_Fanatical.gmi
06:56 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Mystery adventure Kona II: Brume, Foolish Mortals, Fanatical, ivoler
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06:58 TR News; Supercon https://hackaday.com/2022/10/11/jolly-wrencher-sao-and-how-kicad-6-made-it-easy/ | Source: Hackaday
06:58 TR Bot; Wrencher SAO, And How KiCad 6 Made It Easy | Hackaday
06:59 TR News; "floppy drives were expensive" https://hackaday.com/2022/10/11/a-cassette-interface-for-a-6502-breadboard-computer-kansas-city-style/ | Source: Hackaday
06:59 TR Bot; Cassette Interface For A 6502 Breadboard Computer, Kansas City-Style | Hackaday
06:59 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/today_s_howtos.gmi
06:59 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 78.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 98.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 52.38
06:59 TR News; Supercon https://hackaday.com/2022/10/11/2022-supercon-more-talks-more-speakers/ | Source: Hackaday
06:59 TR Bot; Supercon: More Talks, More Speakers! | Hackaday
07:00 AdmFubar; n
07:00 AdmFubar; :p ooopsers
07:01 schestowitz[TR]; happend :-0
07:02 schestowitz[TR]; but that's a very short passowrd
07:03 TR News; Inflation at record high 20,1 percent https://telex.hu/english/2022/10/11/inflation-at-record-high-20-1-percent-in-hungary-in-september | Source: Telex (Hungary)
07:03 TR Bot; Telex: Inflation at record high 20,1 percent in Hungary in September
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07:10 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd-recursiond --recursiond
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07:13 highest_cubist_thrills; man systemd-recursiond
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07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; systemd-recursiond runs systemd-recursiond
07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; options
07:14 highest_cubist_thrills; --recursiond run systemd-recursiond with the --recursiond option
07:20 highest_cubist_thrills; one of the problems with many init systems is there are no NATIVE features to run a daemon recursively, only hacks involving shell scripts
07:20 highest_cubist_thrills; fortunately systemd-recursived solves this
07:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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07:21 highest_cubist_thrills; not only will it run a daemon recursively, it can even run itself (which for convenience, it does by default)
07:21 highest_cubist_thrills; it is written in c, the easiest language to manage init with, but is currently being ported to rust
07:23 highest_cubist_thrills; one of the things holding up a rust port is every time i ask people how to port this c program to rust, they say "lolwut"
07:23 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], I like how Larabel mentioned GNOME Web 43 drops pdf.js.
07:24 DaemonFC; Webkit 2.38 has it in the rendering engine now.
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07:24 DaemonFC; No need to carry it at the browser level.
07:24 DaemonFC; *WebkitGTK 2.38
07:28 highest_cubist_thrills; this is FREE SOFTWARE of course and comes with NO WARRANTY
07:28 highest_cubist_thrills; void where prohibited, prohibited in void, also prohibited in linucks
07:28 highest_cubist_thrills; (i didnt prohibit it in void, the void maintainers did)
07:34 DaemonFC; No warranty is the same warranty you get with proprietary software.
07:34 DaemonFC; Can you imagine the liability if Microsoft had to warrant its products?
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07:47 highest_cubist_thrills; there are a couple of really great features coming to the next version of the linux kernel
07:47 highest_cubist_thrills; both are kernel boot options
07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; the first one is safemode, which runs the kernel without any modules
07:48 highest_cubist_thrills; which is good if your kernel froze while it was trying to boot the previous time
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; it also makes the kernel extremely safe by reducing the attack surface. i dont use linux much these days but i always run it in safe mode now
07:49 mjg59_; You could do that entirely in userland, so having it be a kernel feature feels odd
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; the other is the null option, which tells kernel not to run at all
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; this is the completely locked down option where it just doesnt boot anything
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07:49 mjg59_; Ha ok
07:49 highest_cubist_thrills; :>
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08:03 highest_cubist_thrills; you could just as easily put the null boot option in the bootloader-- which is more effective because it would work on kernel versions that dont have null support
08:03 highest_cubist_thrills; but whats the fun in doing a stupid pointless thing the RIGHT way?
08:04 highest_cubist_thrills; besides, if you do it in the kernel not only is it more trouble to implement, but now it works with every bootloader :)
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08:05 highest_cubist_thrills; null is an especially good option to have as the kernel is rewritten in rust
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; you could add it to the bootloader now, and then implement the null option only for kernels that have a certain percentage of rust code
08:06 highest_cubist_thrills; you could add it to the bootloader now <- to the config
08:06 mjg59_; Something for next April
08:07 highest_cubist_thrills; sadly, we are living in the eternal april
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08:08 highest_cubist_thrills; it would make a good sequel to groundhog day
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08:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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08:46 DaemonFC; I have Mandy up and about.
08:46 DaemonFC; I had to help him to the shower.
08:46 DaemonFC; That COVID shot really fucked him up.
08:46 DaemonFC; I shouldn't have asked him to get it.
08:47 DaemonFC; I already know they make him way sicker than me.
08:47 DaemonFC; I don't recall him sleeping like this after the others.
08:48 DaemonFC; He went to bed on Sunday night and now it's the middle of the night on Wednesday (3 AM).
08:48 DaemonFC; I don't think I'm ever going to ask him to take another one after this.
08:48 DaemonFC; This is terrible.
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09:03 mjg59_; maybe give him some agency in this respect?
09:12 DaemonFC; Says mjg59_ the vaccine salesman.
09:12 DaemonFC; His doctor was more imposing than I was.
09:12 DaemonFC; Maybe fucking tell her that.
09:13 DaemonFC; I had to fight them off of him because they don't believe in patient rights and were rushing to give him a fourth jab of the old vaccine 6 weeks ago.
09:13 DaemonFC; Which would have had this unfolding then and have been of little benefit.
09:14 DaemonFC; They get money if they inject him with something so they've been trying to give him all sorts of crap he doesn't even need. Like the Monkeypox vaccine.
09:15 DaemonFC; He has worse insurance than I do.
09:15 DaemonFC; I wish I could take him to my doctor. She's so much better than those people he goes to.
09:16 DaemonFC; They're incompetent.
09:18 DaemonFC; mjg59_, You're acting like I held a gun on him. I said I would prefer if he did but that it was his decision.
09:18 DaemonFC; It's those idiots at the Health Department that are always going *jab jab jab* and then he comes out and doesn't even know what they gave him.
09:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:20 DaemonFC; A lot of it's not even necessary. Not even plausibly necessary.
09:20 DaemonFC; They go *jab jab jab* "Well, that was $300 from his insurance for us!".
09:29 DaemonFC; mjg59_, How hard did you fuck up to have to virtue signal this much?
09:40 TR News; Trademarks https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/11/oatly-attempted-to-trademark-barista-in-new-zealand-but-lost-after-opposition/ | Source: Techdirt
09:40 TR Bot; Attempted To Trademark Barista In New Zealand But Lost After Opposition | Techdirt
09:40 TR News; FOIA https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/11/justice-department-files-disgusting-attack-on-journalist-jason-leopold-for-being-good-at-his-job/ | Source: Techdirt
09:40 TR Bot; Department Files Disgusting Attack On Journalist Jason Leopold For Being Good At His Job | Techdirt
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10:00 TR News; "At this point, it seems exceptionally likely that Elon Musk will own Twitter within a few weeks." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/11/if-musk-completes-his-twitter-takeover-his-fans-might-want-to-start-supporting-section-230/ | Source: Techdirt
10:00 TR Bot; Musk Completes His Twitter Takeover, His Fans Might Want To Start Supporting Section 230 | Techdirt
10:00 TR News; Whistleblower Lawsuit https://thedissenter.org/investment-fund-defrauding-paycheck-prot/ | Source: The Dissenter
10:00 TR Bot; DOJ Settles Whistleblower Lawsuit Involving PPP Fraud
10:00 TR News; surveillance https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/11/university-rolls-back-bizarre-laboratory-surveillance-tech-deployment-after-students-call-bullshit/ | Source: Techdirt
10:00 TR Bot; Rolls Back Bizarre Laboratory Surveillance Tech Deployment After Students Call Bullshit | Techdirt
10:01 TR News; Gulag Fiber https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/11/google-fiber-shows-signs-of-life-promises-100-gbps-service/ | Source: Techdirt
10:01 TR Bot; Fiber Shows Signs Of Life, Promises 100 Gbps Service | Techdirt
10:01 TR News; "Microsoft today released updates to fix at least 85 security holes in its Windows operating systems and related software" https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/10/microsoft-patch-tuesday-october-2022-edition/ | Source: Krebs On Security
10:01 TR Bot; Microsoft Patch Tuesday, October 2022 Edition Krebs on Security
10:06 TR News; 10 OpenOffice Tips and Tricks to Improve Productivity https://www.maketecheasier.com/mastering-openoffice-tips-and-tricks-for-your-openoffice-part-i/
10:06 TR Bot; 10 OpenOffice Tips and Tricks to Improve Productivity - Make Tech Easier
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10:13 TR News; EMMC https://hackaday.com/2022/10/11/dumping-an-emmc-chip-with-many-bodge-wires/ | Source: Hackaday
10:13 TR Bot; An EMMC Chip With Many Bodge Wires | Hackaday
10:13 TR News; Programming https://hackaday.com/2022/10/11/arm-programming-by-example/ | Source: Hackaday
10:13 TR Bot; Programming By Example | Hackaday
10:15 TR News; PayPal https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/11/everyone-seems-to-be-getting-the-story-about-paypal-and-its-supposed-2500-fines-for-misinfo-wrong/ | Source: Techdirt
10:15 TR Bot; Seems To Be Getting The Story About PayPal And Its Supposed $2,500 Fines For Misinfo Wrong | Techdirt
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10:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
10:22 TR News; Inflation https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/federal-reserve-inflation-poverty/ | Source: The Nation
10:22 TR Bot; The Human Costs of the Feds War on Inflation | The Nation
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11:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
11:23 TR News; Biden https://truthout.org/articles/biden-officials-propose-reclassifying-uber-lyft-gig-workers-as-employees/ | Source: TruthOut
11:23 TR Bot; Biden Officials Propose Reclassifying Uber, Lyft Gig Workers as Employees
11:26 TR News; Assange https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/10/julian-assange-and-state-secrecy/ | Source: Craig Murray
11:26 TR Bot; Julian Assange and State Secrecy - Craig Murray
12:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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13:04 MinceR; 12 084937 < highest_cubist_thrills> the other is the null option, which tells kernel not to run at all
13:04 MinceR; it was recently enabled by default for my X270
13:05 MinceR; i suppose it's there to help people migrate to OpenBSD
13:06 TR News; (NEW): Blender 3.4 3D Graphics Software Promises Native Wayland Support on Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Blender_3_4_3D_Graphics_Software_Promises_Native_Wayland_Suppor.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Blender_3_4_3D_Graphics_Software_Promises_Native_Wayland_Suppor.gmi
13:06 TR Bot; Tux Machines Blender 3.4 3D Graphics Software Promises Native Wayland Support on Linux
13:07 TR News; (NEW): Spotube Flutter based lightweight Spotify client http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Spotube_Flutter_based_lightweight_Spotify_client.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Spotube_Flutter_based_lightweight_Spotify_client.gmi
13:07 TR Bot; Tux Machines Spotube Flutter based lightweight Spotify client
13:09 TR News; "Prof. Jeffrey Sachs sheds light on the "alternative hypothesis" that COVID could be a biotech blunder." https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/11/why-the-chair-of-the-lancets-covid-19-commission-thinks-the-us-government-is-preventing-a-real-investigation-into-the-pandemic/ | Source: Scheerpost http://techrights.org/2011/01/10/lancet-gates-exxon-mobil/
13:09 TR Bot; the Chair of the Lancet's COVID-19 Commission Thinks the US Government Is Preventing a Real Investigation Into the Pandemic - scheerpost.com
13:09 TR Bot; Gates Foundation Pays the Lancet Journal Now Distorts Academic Literature Too | Techrights
13:13 TR News; Chess https://hackaday.com/2022/10/11/seeing-if-cheating-at-chess-the-hard-way-is-even-possible/ | Source: Hackaday
13:13 TR Bot; If Cheating At Chess The Hard Way Is Even Possible | Hackaday
13:13 TR News; Jeffrey Sachs https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/11/jeffrey-sachs-us-biotech-possibly-behind-covid-origins-and-cover-up/ | Source: Scheerpost
13:13 TR Bot; Sachs: US Biotech Possibly Behind Covid Origins and Cover-Up - scheerpost.com
13:15 TR News; "It's clear what their intentions are: reaching into the American people's pockets and stealing their hard-earned benefits." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/11/social-security-grave-danger-if-gop-retakes-congress-advocates-warn | Source: Common Dreams
13:15 TR Bot; Social Security 'In Grave Danger' If GOP Retakes Congress, Advocates Warn
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13:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
13:20 TR News; IMF is part of the cause of it! https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/11/worst-yet-come-imf-warns-severe-global-recession-horizon | Source: Common Dreams
13:20 TR Bot; 'The Worst Is Yet to Come': IMF Warns Severe Global Recession Is on the Horizon
13:20 TR News; Liz Truss https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/10/11/antidote-gops-trickle-down-scam-bottom-economy | Source: Common Dreams
13:20 TR Bot; Opinion | The Antidote to the GOP's Trickle-Down Scam Is a Bottom-Up Economy | Robert Reich
13:30 TR News; The Commitment to Reducing Inequality Index 2022 https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/11/global-index-shows-governments-unleashed-inequality-explosion-during-pandemic | Source: Common Dreams
13:30 TR Bot; Global Index Shows Governments Unleashed 'Inequality Explosion' During Pandemic
13:33 TR News; "The fact that a country as rich as ours does not have decent welfare state provisions that can ensure people adequate housing" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/11/the-good-news-about-the-economy-you-are-not-hearing/ | Source: Counter Punch
13:33 TR Bot; Good News About the Economy You are Not Hearing - CounterPunch.org
13:39 TR News; Gulag "has created a three-step process for responding to geofence warrants." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/10/california-court-suppresses-evidence-overbroad-geofence-warrant EFF takes BRIBES from Gulag. Conflict of interest.
13:39 TR Bot; First Court in California Suppresses Evidence from Overbroad Geofence Warrant | Electronic Frontier Foundation
13:40 TR News; "Education systems desperately need more and better funding across low- and lower-middle-income countries." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/11/1-3-worlds-poorest-countries-spend-more-debt-repayments-education | Source: Common Dreams
13:40 TR Bot; 1 in 3 of World's Poorest Countries Spend More on Debt Repayments Than Education
13:41 TR News; "The solution to stabilizing the global economy is not going to be found in debt restructuring but rather from debt cancellation." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/11/activists-disrupt-meeting-demand-loan-sharks-imf-and-world-bank-cancel-all-debt | Source: Common Dreams
13:41 TR Bot; Activists Disrupt Meeting to Demand 'Loan Sharks' IMF and World Bank Cancel All Debt
13:42 TR News; starbucks https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/11/former-starbucks-manager-tells-nlrb-he-was-ordered-punish-pro-union-workers | Source: Common Dreams
13:42 TR Bot; Former Starbucks Manager Tells NLRB He Was Ordered to Punish Pro-Union Workers
13:44 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Android_Leftovers.gmi
13:44 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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13:53 TR News; Americas Rich https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/11/americas-rich-dominate-the-ranks-of-our-worlds-wealthiest-why/ | Source: Counter Punch
13:53 TR Bot; Rich Dominate the Ranks of Our Worlds Wealthiest. Why? - CounterPunch.org
14:11 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Security_Leftovers.gmi
14:11 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
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14:18 TR News; (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Programming_Leftovers.gmi
14:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
14:18 TR News; (NEW): Devices Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Devices_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Devices_Leftovers.gmi
14:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines Devices Leftovers
14:18 TR News; (NEW): Weird Recommendation of OpenOffice (in 2022) and Linux Foundation Puff Piece http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Weird_Recommendation_of_OpenOffice_in_2022_and_Linux_Foundation.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Weird_Recommendation_of_OpenOffice_in_2022_and_Linux_Foundation.gmi
14:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines Weird Recommendation of OpenOffice (in 2022) and Linux Foundation Puff Piece
14:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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14:22 schestowitz[TR]; wb, matteobin
14:22 matteobin; Thank you! Good afternoon to everyone.
14:22 matteobin; How are you guys?
14:22 TR News; Links 12/10/2022: Microsoft Failing to Patch Highly Critical (and Actively-Exploited) Flaws Again | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/actively-exploited-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/12/actively-exploited-microsoft/
14:22 TR Bot; Links 12/10/2022: Microsoft Failing to Patch Highly Critical (and Actively-Exploited) Flaws Again | Techrights
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14:30 schestowitz[TR]; matteobin: good
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; battling a boss today
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; which is fun
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; the rest of us... not sure
14:30 matteobin; What game are you playing?
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; but today will be a veyr productive day, and has been veery much so... so far
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; no, boss at work
14:30 schestowitz[TR]; not a game
14:30 matteobin; Ah :D
14:31 schestowitz[TR]; I have leverage
14:31 schestowitz[TR]; they want to introduce "smart" phones
14:31 matteobin; Battling about what?
14:32 matteobin; You are a sysadmin. What do you need a "smart" phone for?
14:32 schestowitz[TR]; exactly
14:33 schestowitz[TR]; but let me continue on that
14:33 schestowitz[TR]; most people do not need one
14:33 schestowitz[TR]; far more occupations than sysadmins
14:33 schestowitz[TR]; I could list view occupations that do need them
14:33 schestowitz[TR]; usually the travelling salesman/plumber types
14:34 matteobin; Yep, that's true.
14:35 schestowitz[TR]; BUT
14:35 schestowitz[TR]; they don't need "smart" phones
14:35 schestowitz[TR]; they just need mobile, portable comms tool
14:35 schestowitz[TR]; so they have had that since 80s or 90s
14:35 schestowitz[TR]; int he 90s they became more widely available
14:36 matteobin; I have a smart phone, but not for work. I don't use it that much. It's ON only when I'm at the office or when I'm not moving.
14:36 matteobin; Dumb phones are nice.
14:36 schestowitz[TR]; in the mid 80s you could get a phone in the car
14:36 schestowitz[TR]; with a big antenna on top of the car
14:37 matteobin; Even in the 60s!
14:37 schestowitz[TR]; and usually some expensive motorola gear
14:37 schestowitz[TR]; matteobin: in civilian market?
14:37 schestowitz[TR]; 60s?
14:37 matteobin; There's a Bond movie in which Bond has a phone on his car.
14:37 matteobin; From Russia With Love.
14:38 matteobin; https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/1935_Bentley_3%C2%BD_Litre
14:38 TR Bot; 1935 Bentley 3 Litre | James Bond Wiki | Fandom
14:41 matteobin; Probably it was not for the civilian market.
14:46 schestowitz[TR]; ah
14:46 schestowitz[TR]; when was gps first introduced?
14:46 schestowitz[TR]; gps is read only
14:46 matteobin; Dunno.
14:46 schestowitz[TR]; but sattellite communication (two way) soon followed for "high budget sector"
14:46 schestowitz[TR]; the mobile antennas came decades later
14:47 schestowitz[TR]; so mobile phones became cheap
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14:54 mib_oym9ov; hallo
14:55 TR News; Surveillance https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-docs-third-party-smart-chips/
14:55 TR Bot; Google Introduces Third-Party Smart Chips in Docs - Make Tech Easier
14:55 pdopa; hallo
14:56 TR News; "Ref is a universal version of list-ref, hash-table-ref etc." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/ref
14:57 TR News; Tools vs standards gemini://idiomdrottning.org/tools-vs-standards
14:57 TR News; "Since Linux seems to be the theme of the week (and if not, I'll make it so *sips Early Grey*), I'll do another post about it." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1149
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14:59 matteobin; Hello!\
14:59 matteobin; Sorry for the typo.
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14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 13.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 148.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 123.66
14:59 schestowitz[TR]; sometimes people don't know what IRC is
14:59 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/today_s_howtos.1.gmi
14:59 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
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15:01 matteobin; schestowitz[TR]: What do you refer to?
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; some people who use the 'webapp'
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; like pdopa
15:03 schestowitz[TR]; mibbit and kiwiirc
15:04 schestowitz[TR]; btw, is that you in gemini?
15:04 schestowitz[TR]; or another matteo?
15:04 schestowitz[TR]; I saw a capsule the othert day
15:04 schestowitz[TR]; but it's .nl suffix
15:04 schestowitz[TR]; https://box.matto.nl/about.html
15:04 TR Bot; - box.matto.nl
15:04 matteobin; I don't use gemini. It's not me.
15:04 schestowitz[TR]; Go to: gopher://box.matto.nl
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15:11 matteobin; Nice website, I approve.
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15:12 schestowitz[TR]; :-)
15:15 TR News; Spammy article: "As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases." https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-linux-tutorial-books-need-download-now/
15:15 TR Bot; 27 Best Linux Tutorial Books That You Need To Download Now
15:16 TR News; openmamba 20221012, gnu linux distro from Italy, has been released (new release with KDE) https://openmamba.org/en/blog/category/openmamba/news/
15:16 matteobin; I prefer physical books.
15:16 TR Bot; News | openmamba
15:17 matteobin; I spend too much time in front of a monitor.
15:17 TR News; "We are happy to announce the release of Qt Creator 9 Beta!" Proprietary software though :/ https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-creator-9-beta-released
15:17 TR Bot; Qt Creator 9 Beta released
15:18 schestowitz[TR]; matteobin: physical books don't need battery
15:18 schestowitz[TR]; and can be read in brigght sun
15:18 TR News; (NEW): 12 Best Terminal Apps for Ubuntu Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/12_Best_Terminal_Apps_for_Ubuntu_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/12_Best_Terminal_Apps_for_Ubuntu_Linux.gmi
15:18 TR Bot; Tux Machines 12 Best Terminal Apps for Ubuntu Linux
15:19 TR News; ICBM is boosting Microsoft surveillance and Proprietary Crap(TM). Red Hat isn't on our side. Check the parent company, also co-lobbyist with Microsoft FOR software patenting. https://www.itjungle.com/2022/10/12/kyndryl-wants-to-connect-your-ibm-i-to-microsoft-azure/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM
15:19 TR Bot; Kyndryl Wants to Connect Your IBM i to Microsoft Azure - IT Jungle
15:19 TR Bot; IBM - Techrights
15:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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15:22 TR News; While BBC begs famous criminal Bill Gates for bribes... in change for covering up his crimes https://www.bbc.com/news/world-63213567
15:22 TR Bot; profits from livestreams of families begging - BBC News
15:24 matteobin; Physical books are better. The only great thing about digital books is indexing and search.
15:24 TR News; Vulnerability Management: Context From Code to CLOWN - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/vulnerability-management-context-from-code-to-cloud/
15:24 TR Bot; Vulnerability Management: Context From Code to Cloud - Container Journal
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15:25 schestowitz[TR]; matteobin: the search is temporal
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15:25 schestowitz[TR]; and you need to keep working to preserve the data
15:25 schestowitz[TR]; like moving it from one spinning rust to another
15:26 matteobin; Yes. However the same can be said for films: you can't preserve films as easily as you can with books.
15:26 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/irc-log-111022/ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/12/irc-log-111022/
15:26 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 | Techrights
15:27 schestowitz[TR]; matteobin: many films weree lost
15:27 schestowitz[TR]; in california fires in recent years
15:27 schestowitz[TR]; the masters copies, and unaired footage, gone forever
15:27 matteobin; In that case it's the medium issue, not the technology's.
15:27 schestowitz[TR]; right
15:27 schestowitz[TR]; films have another issue
15:27 schestowitz[TR]; quality degrades over time
15:28 schestowitz[TR]; and if you digitise early enough
15:28 schestowitz[TR]; then it's a lot of work and money to maintain
15:28 schestowitz[TR]; books are easier to quality-restore
15:28 schestowitz[TR]; or OCR
15:28 matteobin; However maybe it's better to preserve films in digital form.
15:28 schestowitz[TR]; it's already too late
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; many of those are 30s and 50s films
15:29 matteobin; You can try to restore them.
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; a centruy later a lot of damage to the origins
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; and not even algorithms can correct all that
15:29 matteobin; Loss is part of life.
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; I scanned many photo albums
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; to digitise them before thr red shift ruins them completely
15:29 matteobin; I guess you can't win them all.
15:29 schestowitz[TR]; it's just mitigation
15:30 schestowitz[TR]; perfectionists are sad people
15:30 TR News; (NEW): CPU-X an Alternative to CPU-Z for Linux (UPDATED) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/03/CPU_X_an_Alternative_to_CPU_Z_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/03/CPU_X_an_Alternative_to_CPU_Z_for_Linux.gmi
15:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines CPU-X an Alternative to CPU-Z for Linux (UPDATED)
15:30 matteobin; Indeed!
15:30 TR News; (NEW): Firefox View Doesnt Feel Like a Feature, Mozilla. It Feels Like a Nag http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Firefox_View_Doesn_t_Feel_Like_a_Feature_Mozilla_It_Feels_Like_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Firefox_View_Doesn_t_Feel_Like_a_Feature_Mozilla_It_Feels_Like_.gmi
15:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Firefox View Doesnt Feel Like a Feature, Mozilla. It Feels Like a Nag
15:33 TR News; LKML: Catalin Marinas: [GIT PULL] arm64 updates for 6.1-rc1 https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/5/450 Source: uni Indiana | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/5/450
15:33 TR Bot; LKML: Catalin Marinas: [GIT PULL] arm64 updates for 6.1-rc1
15:33 TR News; The Kernel Memory Sanitizer (KMSAN) https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/diff/Documentation/dev-tools/kmsan.rst?id=27bc50fc90647bbf7b734c3fc306a5e61350da53
15:33 TR Bot; kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree
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15:41 TR News; (NEW): In praise of ffmpeg http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/In_praise_of_ffmpeg.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/In_praise_of_ffmpeg.gmi
15:41 TR Bot; Tux Machines In praise of ffmpeg
15:41 TR News; (NEW): Stable Kernels: Linux 6.0.1. Linux 5.19.15, and Linux 5.15.73 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Stable_Kernels_Linux_6_0_1_Linux_5_19_15_and_Linux_5_15_73.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Stable_Kernels_Linux_6_0_1_Linux_5_19_15_and_Linux_5_15_73.gmi
15:41 TR Bot; Tux Machines Stable Kernels: Linux 6.0.1. Linux 5.19.15, and Linux 5.15.73
15:43 TR News; "Despite what Tony Stark says, the word hackers really stuck. Because its easy to say, it has a derisive impression to those who do the deed for selfish ends, while remaining technically trendy." https://hackwarenews.com/what-is-hacking-and-how-do-hackers-hack/
15:43 TR Bot; What is Hacking? and How do Hackers Hack? - Hack Ware News
15:46 TR News; 397.5 - Anything You Can Do Linux Does It Better - mintCast https://mintcast.org/2022/10/12/397-5-anything-you-can-do-linux-does-it-better/ Source: mintCast Pocast | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//mintcast.org/2022/10/12/397-5-anything-you-can-do-linux-does-it-better/
15:46 TR Bot; 397.5 Anything You Can Do Linux Does It Better mintCast
15:46 TR News; (NEW): I Made A Keyboard For My Pi Using The xTool M1 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/I_Made_A_Keyboard_For_My_Pi_Using_The_xTool_M1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/I_Made_A_Keyboard_For_My_Pi_Using_The_xTool_M1.gmi
15:46 TR Bot; Tux Machines I Made A Keyboard For My Pi Using The xTool M1
15:47 TR News; "I had some fun when I blogged about using a bot to read my blog post. While fun, it wasnt a particularly pleasant way to consume blog content. The audio is still a bit robotic, with little care for timing, ephasis and stress on words." https://popey.com/blog/2022/10/reading-my-own-blog-posts/
15:47 TR Bot; Reading My Own Blog Posts (no bots!) - Alan Pope's blog
15:48 TR News; It is safest NOT to have a "smart" (spy) home https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/10/12/how-a-smart-home-can-be-a-safer-home/
15:48 TR Bot; How a smart home can be a safer home | Arduino Blog
15:49 TR News; IBm-sponsored IBM propaganda cannon https://www.itjungle.com/2022/10/12/four-hundred-monitor-october-12/
15:49 TR Bot; Four Hundred Monitor, October 12 - IT Jungle
15:50 TR News; "Actinius Icarus SoM DK development board follows the Arduino Uno form factor and is equipped with the companys Icacus SoM based on Nordic Semi nRF9160 system-in-package with LTE Cat-M, NB-IoT, and GPS connectivity." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/10/12/arduino-development-board-nrf9160-module/
15:50 TR Bot; Arduino-shaped development board ships with a Nordic Semi nRF9160 module - CNX Software
15:50 TR News; (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi
15:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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15:58 TR News; [GIT PULL] RISC-V Patches for the 6.1 Merge Window, Part 1 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/mhng-6190fb79-f9f6-41bd-90f3-d4d6009d41a5@palmer-ri-x1c9/
15:58 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] RISC-V Patches for the 6.1 Merge Window, Part 1 - Palmer Dabbelt
15:59 TR News; "Researchers have used thermal cameras and ML guessing techniques to recover passwords from measuring the residual heat left by fingers on keyboards." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/10/recovering-passwords-by-measuring-residual-heat.html
15:59 TR Bot; Passwords by Measuring Residual Heat - Schneier on Security
16:00 TR News; SCs direction: Stop prosecuting people under S.66A https://internetfreedom.in/sc-direction-stop-prosecuting-people-under-the-unconstitutional-s-66a/ Source: Internet Freedom Foundation | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//internetfreedom.in/sc-direction-stop-prosecuting-people-under-the-unconstitutional-s-66a/
16:00 TR Bot; SCs direction: Stop prosecuting people under S.66A
16:06 TR News; It is malware that ought not be used at all ttps://economictimes.indiatimes.com/prime/technology-and-startups/whatsapps-impossible-choice-three-reasons-why-the-app-will-be-badly-hit-by-the-telecom-bill/primearticleshow/94770881.cms
16:12 TR News; ICBM helping other malicious, anti-Free software, anti-human rights firms https://www.itjungle.com/2022/10/12/ibm-i-salesforce-api-integration-without-writing-a-single-line-of-code/ see http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/salesforce-works-for-ice/
16:12 TR Bot; IBM i Salesforce API Integration Without Writing A Single Line Of Code - IT Jungle
16:12 TR Bot; The OSIs President Apparently Does Not Know That His Own Employer (Salesforce) Works for ICE | Techrights
16:18 TR News; Rust as attack on the GPL, proponent of Microsoft, CoC, censorship for war criminals etc. https://www.phoronix.com/news/uutils-0.0.16
16:18 TR Bot; 0.0.16 Released As Rust-Based GNU Coreutils Replacement - Phoronix
16:19 TR News; itsfoss is posting SPAM for protonvpn (these URLs are SPAM) https://news.itsfoss.com/protonvpn-stealth/
16:19 TR Bot; Proton VPN Launches New VPN Protocol to Fight Censorship
16:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
16:20 TR News; itsfoss also posts spam for anti-Linux Foundation. Bunch of opportunists.
16:26 TR News; "Some things are worth waiting for. With the 2.16 release, were finally ready to introduce some impressive features that mark a new chapter for UNIGINE Engine." https://unigine.com/news/2022/unigine-2-16-asset-store-vulkan-directx-12-ros-integration-new-window-manager
16:26 TR Bot; 2.16 - Asset Store, Vulkan & DirectX 12, ROS Integration, New Window Manager
16:27 TR News; [Book] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9 Administration | Pablo Iranzo Gmez blog https://iranzo.io/blog/2022/10/12/book-red-hat-enterprise-linux-9-administration/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//iranzo.io/blog/2022/10/12/book-red-hat-enterprise-linux-9-administration/
16:27 TR Bot; [Book] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9 Administration | Pablo Iranzo Gmez blog
16:27 TR News; IBM SPAM. Lacks disclosure. IBM sponsored this SPAM. https://www.itjungle.com/2022/10/12/ibm-unveils-fall-2022-tech-refreshes-for-ibm-i/
16:27 TR Bot; IBM Unveils Fall 2022 Tech Refreshes for IBM i - IT Jungle
16:28 TR News; (NEW): mesa 22.2.1 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/mesa_22_2_1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/mesa_22_2_1.gmi
16:28 TR Bot; Tux Machines mesa 22.2.1
16:30 TR News; "Digital transformation" as ICBM's code words for "VENDOR LOCKIN" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/10/digital-transformation-why-emotion-matters
16:30 TR Bot; Digital transformation: Why emotion matters | The Enterprisers Project
16:31 TR News; CIOs aka glorified IMPOSTERS https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/10/cio-role-5-tips-success
16:31 TR Bot; CIO role: 5 secrets to success | The Enterprisers Project
16:33 TR News; This has nothing to do with WordPress. It's applicable to blogging in general. https://thishosting.rocks/become-a-professional-wordpress-blogger/
16:33 TR Bot; Striving to Become a Professional WordPress Blogger? Keep These 6 Things in Mind
16:33 TR News; (NEW): Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi
16:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
16:35 TR News; Awesome tools for Free Software Contribution - DEV Community https://dev.to/surajondev/awesome-tools-for-open-source-contribution-36cm
16:35 TR Bot; Awesome tools for Open Source Contribution - DEV Community
16:39 TR News; (NEW): RustDesk - An Open Source Remote Desktop Software for Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/RustDesk_An_Open_Source_Remote_Desktop_Software_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/RustDesk_An_Open_Source_Remote_Desktop_Software_for_Linux.gmi
16:39 TR Bot; Tux Machines RustDesk - An Open Source Remote Desktop Software for Linux
16:40 TR News; (NEW): SBC Case Builder 2.0 released with GUI http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/SBC_Case_Builder_2_0_released_with_GUI.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/SBC_Case_Builder_2_0_released_with_GUI.gmi
16:40 TR Bot; Tux Machines SBC Case Builder 2.0 released with GUI
16:41 TR News; "Data Science" = misleading buzzword (not statistics). Data is not a science and spying on people's data is a human rights abuse, immoral https://www.fosslife.org/how-data-professionals-spend-their-time
16:41 TR Bot; How Data Professionals Spend Their Time
16:48 TR News; Michael Larabel: AMD ads again
16:51 TR News; Mozilla isn't about browser technology anymore; it's marketing spam, pushing "stories" to you like social control media (disinformation sites) do https://blog.mozilla.org/en/uncategorized/npr-education-reporter-anya-kamenetz/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla
16:51 TR Bot; A longtime NPR education reporter on her favorite corners of the internet
16:51 TR Bot; Mozilla - Techrights
16:52 TR News; Mozilla turns Firefox into spam machine https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/firefox-view-doesnt-feel-like-a-feature-mozilla number of users will collapse faster...
16:52 TR Bot; Firefox View Doesn't Feel Like a Feature, Mozilla. It Feels Like a Nag - OMG! Ubuntu!
16:57 TR News; Spamnil: I call Proprietary(R) and Heavily Patented(TM) sorted-rss-feeds.txt "open" because Zemlin and Sheela Microsoft pay me for openwashing, i.e. lying. LaaS. L for lies.
16:58 TR News; Sheela Microsoft (Jim Zemlin's wife) should be arrested for fraud. She's 'running away'... http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/zemlins-are-volatile/ http://techrights.org/2022/08/28/linux-foundation-revenue-plunges/
16:58 TR Bot; After Defrauding People in New York Stock Exchange (Now Class Action for Securities Fraud) Jim Zemlins Wife Quits Bakkt to Dodge Liability | Techrights
16:58 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Revenue Plunges ($18,000,000 Decrease in One Year) and Jim Zemlins Wife Has Her Company Sued for Securities Fraud (Class Action) | Techrights
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 133.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 121.50
17:00 TR News; If Jim Zemlin was gay, he'd marry Bernie Madoff
17:01 TR News; 10 Desktop Publishing Tools That Didnt Make It https://tedium.co/2022/10/12/forgotten-desktop-publishing-tools-history/
17:01 TR Bot; 10 Desktop Publishing Tools That Didnt Make It
17:04 TR News; Sean Michael Kerner paid to write HEY HI puff pieces for obscure firms without promise... looking to raise money from fools, by leveraging buzzwords and paying publishers for "buzz" https://venturebeat.com/ai/levity-raises-seed-round-debuts-no-code-ai-workflow-automation-platform/
17:04 TR Bot; raises seed round, debuts no-code AI workflow automation platform | VentureBeat
17:04 TR News; Sean Michael Kerner: HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI puff pieces.... https://venturebeat.com/ai/vectaras-ai-based-neural-search-as-a-service-challenges-keyword-based-searches/
17:04 TR Bot; AI-based neural search-as-a-service challenges keyword-based searches | VentureBeat
17:05 TR News; What Is Ubuntu? https://www.itprotoday.com/development-techniques-and-management/what-ubuntu From Humanity for Others to http://techrights.org/2022/10/06/ubuntu-working-for-bill/
17:05 TR Bot; What Is Ubuntu? | ITPro Today: IT News, How-Tos, Trends, Case Studies, Career Tips, More
17:05 TR Bot; [Meme] From Humanity for Others to | Techrights
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19:08 TR News; SpellBinding: BHIUSTM Wordo: FEEDS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-10-12.gmi
19:15 TR News; The Open Source Initiative (OSI) Speaks for Microsoft, Which is Worse Than Before | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/osi-soft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/12/osi-soft/
19:15 TR Bot; The Open Source Initiative (OSI) Speaks for Microsoft, Which is Worse Than Before | Techrights
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19:31 AdmFubar; we control the vertical, we control the horizontal.... https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-defender-adds-command-and-control-traffic-detection
19:31 TR Bot; Microsoft Defender adds command and control traffic detection
19:37 schestowitz[TR]; snake oil
19:37 schestowitz[TR]; proprietary
19:37 schestowitz[TR]; with back doors :D
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; security the mjg 'way'
19:38 schestowitz[TR]; way cool! back doors!
19:50 TR News; Reddit and Other Social Control Media Exist to Deceive and Censor | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/reddit-is-censorship/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/12/reddit-is-censorship/
19:50 TR Bot; Reddit and Other Social Control Media Exist to Deceive and Censor | Techrights
19:56 AdmFubar; now you caught roy
19:56 AdmFubar; caught it..
19:57 AdmFubar; https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/10/a-official-smoking-gun-on-covidisairborne-denial-by-hospitals-because-they-didnt-want-spend-money-changing-their-physical-plant.html
19:58 TR Bot; An Official Smoking Gun on #CovidIsAirborne Denial by Hospitals Because They Didn't Want to Spend Money Changing Their Physical Plant | naked capitalism
19:59 schestowitz[TR]; wait
19:59 schestowitz[TR]; I want to understand how this relates to me
19:59 schestowitz[TR]; based on the headline at least
19:59 schestowitz[TR]; later this month 3 years
19:59 schestowitz[TR]; no COVID-19 in our home
19:59 schestowitz[TR]; we still cover the toilet when flushing
19:59 schestowitz[TR]; wiping and washing all incoming food items
19:59 schestowitz[TR]; quarantining everything
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20:00 schestowitz[TR]; meanwhile some people I know walk like zombies due to temporary laralyses
20:00 schestowitz[TR]; among other issues like swollen knees and foggy brains
20:00 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: I am writitng about comed
20:00 DaemonFC; Mandy's doing better.
20:00 schestowitz[TR]; and in the video I forgot what com is short for
20:01 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: until the 8th and 9th jab
20:01 DaemonFC; It's like whatever was going on just suddenly let up after he went back to bed again.
20:01 DaemonFC; That got scary.
20:01 DaemonFC; Last night he needed me to help him in the shower and make him some food.
20:01 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> "Prof. Jeffrey Sachs sheds light on the "alternative hypothesis" that COVID could be a biotech blunder." https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/11/why-the-chair-of-the-lancets-covid-19-commission-thinks-the-us-government-is-preventing-a-real-investigation-into-the-pandemic/ | Source: Scheerpost http://techrights.org/2011/01/10/lancet-gates-exxon-mobil/
20:01 TR Bot; the Chair of the Lancet's COVID-19 Commission Thinks the US Government Is Preventing a Real Investigation Into the Pandemic - scheerpost.com
20:01 TR Bot; Gates Foundation Pays the Lancet Journal Now Distorts Academic Literature Too | Techrights
20:02 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR]> and in the video I forgot what com is short for
20:02 DaemonFC; "Commonwealth Edison"
20:02 DaemonFC; Exelon owns them and kept the name.
20:03 DaemonFC; In New York, they're ConEd for "Consolidated Edison".
20:04 DaemonFC; Exelon owns a lot of the US power grid, but they use various names to disguise it a little.
20:04 DaemonFC; The term "Commonwealth" is fitting since they repeatedly steal tax money and have a monopoly.
20:04 schestowitz[TR]; doi they share their wealth with you?
20:04 DaemonFC; You can get anyone's name on your bill, but the power has to be "delivered" by ComEd, which bills you for that, on the same bill.
20:05 DaemonFC; In practice, this leads to electricity scammers who want to know your electric bill account number so they can switch you and get a commission without your knowledge.
20:05 DaemonFC; To some fake power company.
20:05 schestowitz[TR]; <techrights-news> Gas Prices https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/11/upset-about-high-gas-prices-ro-khanna-says-blame-big-oil | Source: Common Dreams
20:05 TR Bot; Upset About High Gas Prices? Ro Khanna Says 'Blame Big Oil'
20:06 DaemonFC; They come in the building. It happened to me in South Shore Chicago and again in Waukegan.
20:06 DaemonFC; I ran them off this time. I told them I was calling the police.
20:07 DaemonFC; That was maybe 2-3 months ago?
20:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I can't imagine what led to the Microsoft deal except to say this. ComEd gets a lot of taxpayer money. There's almost nothing that goes on in there without Illinois government saying what it'll be, and usually you find out later that the "regulators", it goes back and forth.
20:08 DaemonFC; ComEd literally bribes our public officials.
20:09 DaemonFC; Our public officials give ComEd (Exelon) what it wants.
20:09 DaemonFC; And then they go "And also, you're going to put these people on your board and you're going to do a diversity hiring program in Chicago.".
20:10 DaemonFC; So I mean, Illinois government pressures everyone to have a bunch of proprietary, especially Microsoft, junk on their computer just to do anything, like paying taxes and asking courts for stuff.
20:10 DaemonFC; So the ComEd (Exelon) move to Microsoft Azure is funny, right? It's funny how "coincidences" work.
20:10 AdmFubar; if you really wanna freak them out take their picture
20:11 DaemonFC; Then suddenly they're feeding a bunch of JavaScript programs that don't comply with standards from several Microsoft domains before you can pay your electric bill.
20:11 DaemonFC; So, Pale Moon and SeaMonkey can no longer log in.
20:12 TR News; Open Source Initiative (OSI) blog posts, podcasts and public talks are just Microsoft propaganda wrapped up as OSI (buying the oppositions voice to legitimise oneself) http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/osi-soft/
20:12 TR Bot; The Open Source Initiative (OSI) Speaks for Microsoft, Which is Worse Than Before | Techrights
20:12 TR News; Were sad to learn that many people get their news from Reddit, clearly failing to see that it is a Censorship Machine that oftentimes censors facts on behalf of corporations and plutocrats http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/reddit-is-censorship/
20:12 TR Bot; Reddit and Other Social Control Media Exist to Deceive and Censor | Techrights
20:12 DaemonFC; Safari must be able to (not surprising since one of the major choke points is a -webkit- prefixed style sheet).
20:12 DaemonFC; So GNOME Web can as well.
20:12 DaemonFC; But there's no reason for this to be happening since that element was standardized and all the major browsers now support both.
20:13 DaemonFC; You could use both and all browsers that have some version of autofill would recognize it.
20:13 DaemonFC; And I do believe Pale Moon has autofill, but not the -webkit- version.
20:14 DaemonFC; Back in like Firefox 48 or something, Mozilla aliased webkit prefixes to the standardized versions to "fix" bad Web sites that misbehaved in Firefox.
20:14 DaemonFC; And I guess the result is that Microsoft took that as a license to kill and just used prefixes.
20:18 TR News; Pfizer Not Testing COVID-19 Vaccines Properly https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/12/testing-by-pfizer/
20:18 TR Bot; Blog Archive Pfizer Not Testing COVID-19 Vaccines Properly
20:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
20:22 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Conde Nasty rated Shitcago one of the best places to live.
20:23 DaemonFC; Yeah, best place to get a screwdriver in the neck if you're an old man walking the dog in one of the "better" parts and get too close to a red line stop.
20:23 DaemonFC; :)
20:23 DaemonFC; Like, that was one of the "random" things that we walked past when we lived in Rogers Park.
20:23 DaemonFC; Now the Demonrat Party wants to decriminalize possession of enough hard drugs to kill 1,500 people.
20:24 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/10/11/mchenry-county-officials-denounce-illinois-lawmakers-efforts-to-decriminalize-fentanyl-heroin-and-cocaine/
20:24 TR Bot; McHenry County officials denounce Illinois lawmakers' efforts to decriminalize fentanyl, heroin and cocaine
20:24 DaemonFC; They'll have us more fucked up than Portland shortly.
20:24 DaemonFC; They've given up having laws because they're the left.
20:24 DaemonFC; mjg59_, ^
20:26 DaemonFC; Come to Chicago. I'll let you out somewhere around 103rd and Stony Island at 2 AM.
20:26 DaemonFC; You can take in some night air and hobnob with the locals.
20:26 DaemonFC; I believe it will be informative.
20:27 DaemonFC; We have a guest room if you can make back up here.
20:29 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], You know, compared to mjg59_ I'm tougher than nails.
20:29 DaemonFC; He doesn't have to see 3 dead bodies in an average week as he drives past the liquor stores, gas stations, and Walmart.
20:30 DaemonFC; I think out of the two of us, I'm far more qualified to have an opinion on social issues, because I can't imagine there's much of this going on near a house with a $3 million dollar mortgage on it.
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20:37 TR News; Newer Is Not Always Better and It Tends to be More Malicious | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/newer-is-not-always-better/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/12/newer-is-not-always-better/
20:37 TR Bot; Newer Is Not Always Better and It Tends to be More Malicious | Techrights
20:42 schestowitz[TR]; comed ^
20:43 schestowitz[TR]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ovc91S1cLM4
20:43 TR Bot; Monkeypox, excellent news - Invidious
20:45 schestowitz[TR]; 2-3 caases a day
20:45 schestowitz[TR]; in europe
20:45 schestowitz[TR]; so alarming
20:46 DaemonFC; mjg59_ probably got his jab so he won't miss out.
20:47 DaemonFC; I'm sure he's at the conference giving them his "agency".
20:48 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], Mom now says COVID's not a big deal because she had it. I added, "And you took Paxlovid, which may well have headed off the worst of it, which many people can't get now that the government's only paying for vaccines. But hey, no big deal right?".
20:48 DaemonFC; Not for her. She has Medicare.
20:49 DaemonFC; No matter what stupidity she does that blows up in her face, her Medicare and Medigap plans cover 100% of whatever the financial harm would have been last year.
20:49 TR News; (NEW): Happy birthday, GNU Health! http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Happy_birthday_GNU_Health.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Happy_birthday_GNU_Health.gmi
20:50 TR Bot; Tux Machines Happy birthday, GNU Health!
20:50 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I'm enjoying this searx.prvcy.eu.
20:50 DaemonFC; I've got it set up to combine Google, Brave, and Yahoo.
20:50 DaemonFC; For some reason, it defaults to including Qwant, and that just makes the results worse.
20:51 TR News; Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Today_in_Techrights.1.shtml
20:51 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
20:53 TR News; Intel a dying brand https://lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/20221011031843.960217-1-masahiroy@kernel.org/ see http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/linus-torvalds-award/
20:53 TR Bot; [RFC PATCH] Remove Intel compiler support - Masahiro Yamada
20:53 TR Bot; Intel Treats Linus Torvalds as a Marketing Mascot | Techrights
20:54 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], From what I've observed from my mom she lacks empathy in general and has severe difficulty imagining herself in someone else's situation.
20:55 starstreak; It would be this matt that you put on the floor and it would have all these conclusions that you jump to
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; mat?
20:55 schestowitz[TR]; or mjg?
20:56 starstreak; oh mat lol
20:56 starstreak; quoting office space
20:56 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: I already know your mom is american
20:57 DaemonFC; That's not a uniquely American trait. It's a sign of mental illness, actually.
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: quopting it would be great
20:57 DaemonFC; I'm sure it goes back to how she was raised by her mother.
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: her mom
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; hoarding food
20:57 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: beat me to it
20:58 DaemonFC; If a psychiatrist could examine her mother, he could be a best selling author in an entirely new branch of the field a year from now.
20:58 schestowitz[TR]; from madame harmon
20:58 schestowitz[TR]; to dame harmon
20:58 TR News; Amarok Linux OS 22.09 overview | Free and easy-to-use Linux Operating System - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nWih8GsHfyY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/nWih8GsHfyY
20:58 TR Bot; Amarok Linux OS 22.09 overview | Free and easy-to-use Linux Operating System - Invidious
20:59 schestowitz[TR]; if she does not see therapists, she is missing out
20:59 schestowitz[TR]; that would be great
20:59 TR News; LINUX is BETTER than macOS in these 5 areas! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8yjW-kMivWQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/8yjW-kMivWQ
20:59 TR Bot; LINUX is BETTER than macOS in these 5 areas! - Invidious
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 169.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 121.10
20:59 TR News; PayPal Misinformation Fines Musk Criticized Were Published by Mistake https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-10/paypal-misinformation-fines-musk-criticized-were-published-by-mistake
20:59 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
21:02 TR News; ICBM pays slaves with NFTs of pandas: "You helped to test Fedora 37 i18n features" https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/f37-i18n-test-day-participant
21:02 TR News; How To Block TikTok From Tracking You (Even Non-Users) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0VvtdPDHe-s | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/0VvtdPDHe-s
21:02 TR Bot; Fedora Badges
21:02 TR Bot; How To Block TikTok From Tracking You (Even Non-Users) - Invidious
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21:04 TR News; "When geometrical solids took hold of the Renaissance imagination, they promised the quintessence of the third dimension in its pure and unadulterated form. Noam Andrews discovers how polyhedra descended from mathematical treatises to artists studios, distilling abstract ideas into objects one could see and touch." https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/polyhedral-perspective/
21:04 TR Bot; The Polyhedral Perspective The Public Domain Review
21:06 TR News; AMD Ryzen 7000 CPUs are faster in Linux with Spectre V2 mitigations enabled https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7000-CPUs-are-faster-in-Linux-with-Spectre-V2-mitigations-enabled.659547.0.html
21:06 TR Bot; Ryzen 7000 CPUs are faster in Linux with Spectre V2 mitigations enabled - NotebookCheck.net News
21:06 DaemonFC; mjg59_ can see all of the therapists he wants and go "$300 an hour? LOL! Okay! Figure out what's going on with my partner today.".
21:06 DaemonFC; "BTW, you don't have the COVID do you? We can talk on one of these Chinese phone apps that's spying on us!"
21:09 TR News; (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi
21:09 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
21:10 schestowitz[TR]; torvalds might need a phsyiootherapist
21:10 schestowitz[TR]; not therapist Torvals' legs might soon be thin like matt's
21:10 schestowitz[TR]; (no I didn't say "the rapist")
21:11 schestowitz[TR]; (some people see "rapist" in everyone)
21:11 schestowitz[TR]; (maybe projection, like calling people "transphobic after spending 25 years saying "transphobic shit")
21:14 TR News; Only 16 people helped test Fedora 37 i18n features. Fedora used to be much bigger than this. The slave pool of ICBM grew... tiny. No wonder. Look what they did to CentOS (yes, people can take the hint) https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/f37-i18n-test-day-participant
21:15 DaemonFC; You can't even spell grapes without rapes.
21:15 DaemonFC; It's a conspiracy.
21:15 TR News; ICBM: we don't have money, we fire top-notch engineers who cost $150,000 per annum to hire graduates for $15,000/annum in India. Hey, you want to help? Here's a task. We'll pay you in PANDA NFT.
21:15 MinceR; you can't spell "slaughter" without "laughter"
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; gangsta' rapes
21:16 DaemonFC; I was thinking about this when I remembered the California Raisins ads they used to have, which cost the grape growers a fortune to produce and led to the end of the California Grape marketing board.
21:16 DaemonFC; Then I was thinking about all the rapes that California has.
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; Uncle is racist
21:16 DaemonFC; Of course, big liberal state with a deteriorating justice system.
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; Aunt also
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; Plantation
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; Soon fruit
21:16 schestowitz[TR]; and strange
21:17 DaemonFC; Democrats run California so there's going to be a lot of California Rapes.
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; until all words are bad
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; queer and gay are good
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; they're taken by the victims
21:17 DaemonFC; It wouldn't surprise me if the next Democrat bill in Illinois makes raping someone a misdemeanor.
21:17 DaemonFC; They're already going there with crack and other stuff.
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; selling or using?
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; or manufacrturing?
21:17 DaemonFC; Well, possession of up to 2 grams.
21:17 schestowitz[TR]; the last is worse
21:17 DaemonFC; That's enough fentanyl to kill 1,500 people.
21:18 schestowitz[TR]; no manufacturers and imports, no problem
21:18 DaemonFC; And it's going to be a Class A Misdemeanor that they can plead down from.
21:18 DaemonFC; Fucking Democrats.
21:18 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/10/11/mchenry-county-officials-denounce-illinois-lawmakers-efforts-to-decriminalize-fentanyl-heroin-and-cocaine/
21:18 TR Bot; McHenry County officials denounce Illinois lawmakers' efforts to decriminalize fentanyl, heroin and cocaine
21:19 DaemonFC; "House Bill 3447 was passed in 2021 by the Illinois House and has since been sent to the Illinois Senate for consideration." "The bill makes possession of less than three grams of fentanyl, cocaine or heroin a Class A misdemeanor." "Authorities say that 0.002 grams of fentanyl and 0.015 grams of heroin, respectively, are enough to cause a fatal overdose."
21:19 DaemonFC; 3 grams, sorry.
21:19 TR News; "Khronos Group Welcomes Beijing 7invensun Science & Technology Co. as Contributor Member".. the propaganda terms: "7invensun is the first technology company in China with independent proprietary and intellectual [sic] property [sic] rights" [sic]
21:19 DaemonFC; 3 grams / 0.002 grams = Enough to kill 1,500 people.
21:19 DaemonFC; Class A Misdemeanor.
21:20 schestowitz[TR]; drugs wars are hard to fight
21:20 DaemonFC; Soft on crime Democrats are going to unleash hell on this state.
21:20 schestowitz[TR]; because it's easy to make narcotics
21:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:20 schestowitz[TR]; waste of police resources
21:20 DaemonFC; Right now, you get caught with that shit, you go away and you're not doing it in prison.
21:20 DaemonFC; That's about the only thing you can do besides executions.
21:20 DaemonFC; Russia would probably just go ahead and execute them.
21:20 DaemonFC; One of the few things they got right.
21:20 TR News; Pfizer lied https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/12/testing-by-pfizer/
21:21 TR Bot; Blog Archive Pfizer Not Testing COVID-19 Vaccines Properly
21:21 TR News; The modern Web, the modern phones and supposedly better servers (clown computing, digital transformation, modernisation i.e. typically many containers) create more complexity, lower security, and leave us worse off http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/newer-is-not-always-better/
21:21 TR Bot; Newer Is Not Always Better and It Tends to be More Malicious | Techrights
21:32 TR News; (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/today_s_howtos.2.gmi
21:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
21:33 TR News; (NEW): 10 Best Lightweight Linux Distros To Revive Your Old Computer http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/10_Best_Lightweight_Linux_Distros_To_Revive_Your_Old_Computer.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/10_Best_Lightweight_Linux_Distros_To_Revive_Your_Old_Computer.gmi
21:33 TR Bot; Tux Machines 10 Best Lightweight Linux Distros To Revive Your Old Computer
21:38 TR News; Jim Zemlin thanked GAFAM this month. Yes, Linux... "GAFAM"! https://yewtu.be/0RcKh19qzTU?t=78
21:38 TR Bot; Keynote: Welcome & Announcements - Jim Zemlin with Dr. Ibrahim Haddad & Daniel Goldscheider - Invidious
21:43 TR News; Even a year later Jim Zemlin still spreads thew "log4j" FUD for Microsoft. It was patched 10 months ago!
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22:02 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I don't quite know what to make of my mom. She would frequently enter into unstable relationships and marriages, even when it was pretty clear she'd be better off without them or hardly even knew them.
22:03 DaemonFC; Trying to use that to get out of a situation she was in and then ending up in another situation.
22:03 DaemonFC; I don't think she had any real financial need for these people. She often made more money than they did (except for my dad) and could have paid her bills if she lived on her own.
22:04 TR News; Jim Zemlin Idolises Microsoft and Bill Gates (in New Talk Published This Week), Applauding a Back Doors Company and Jeffrey Epsteins Enabler | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/jim-zemlin-applauding-bill-gates/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/12/jim-zemlin-applauding-bill-gates/
22:04 TR Bot; Jim Zemlin Idolises Microsoft and Bill Gates (in New Talk Published This Week), Applauding a Back Doors Company and Jeffrey Epsteins Enabler | Techrights
22:04 DaemonFC; She's even said she didn't really even like my dad that much but she wanted to get out of my grandmother's house.
22:04 DaemonFC; I'm surprised that went on for 25 years.
22:05 DaemonFC; It was this constant struggle to see which personality would dominate the marriage until it collapsed.
22:05 DaemonFC; I wonder what mjg59_'s shrink would say.
22:06 DaemonFC; I suppose codependency can hold things together for a while.
22:07 DaemonFC; Maybe mjg59_'s partner is one of those "I'll just fix everything that's wrong with him." people.
22:08 DaemonFC; That always ends in disappointment, because most people don't have any introspection and don't believe there's anything that needs to change.
22:08 DaemonFC; "I'm perfect. It's the rest of you who are crazy."
22:09 DaemonFC; From what I've seen of mjg59_ lashing out at....everyone else, this could explain his mentality.
22:09 DaemonFC; The more people he lashes out at, the lower the odds that they could all be wrong and he's right.
22:11 MinceR; "Nobody is perfect but I'm pretty fucking close"
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22:15 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> schestowitz[TR], I don't quite know what to make of my mom. She would frequently enter into unstable relationships and marriages, even when it was pretty clear she'd be better off without them or hardly even knew them.
22:15 schestowitz[TR]; catholicism
22:15 schestowitz[TR]; or religion
22:16 schestowitz[TR]; fear of being unmarried
22:16 schestowitz[TR]; "what would ma 'friends' think?"
22:16 DaemonFC; That's odd. You think it was actually that much of an expectation?
22:16 DaemonFC; I'm sure you could get by as an unmarried woman in the late 1970s.
22:17 schestowitz[TR]; "YOU ARE DIVORCED? ME TOOOO!! Let's get married"
22:17 DaemonFC; Yeah, Gonad was married 5 times already before mom.
22:17 DaemonFC; You know what the odds are of being lucky #6.
22:18 TR News; NSA works with Microsoft on back doors and CISA is acting like a Microsoft agency these days https://sdtimes.com/security/nsas-and-cisas-recent-security-guidance-the-good-and-the-bad/
22:18 TR Bot; NSAs and CISAs recent security guidance: The good and the bad - SD Times
22:18 DaemonFC; Statistically, it's proven that the more times a person has been divorced, the greater the odds that their next marriage will fail as well.
22:18 DaemonFC; By marriage #3, there's like a one in five chance that this is the one that works.
22:19 TR News; Pull staging driver updates from Greg https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=3002b7a31894cfa0e57080f7e0961b5fee788aa3
22:19 TR Bot; kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree
22:19 TR News; linuxtechlab turned into vpn webspam or spamfarm. sad...
22:19 DaemonFC; People who have been divorced three times..... There's something going on with them.
22:19 DaemonFC; Once or twice could have been the other person, but three? This is getting suspicious.
22:20 schestowitz[TR]; yeah
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22:20 schestowitz[TR]; i notice many 3 timers
22:20 schestowitz[TR]; to the point where they say ban marriage
22:20 schestowitz[TR]; or gey engaged yet never marry
22:20 schestowitz[TR]; they engage as a sort of "reserved"
22:20 schestowitz[TR]; and never progress from there
22:20 schestowitz[TR]; for various reasons
22:20 schestowitz[TR]; like failed marriages before
22:20 schestowitz[TR]; or patents leaving trauma behind
22:21 schestowitz[TR]; so the cloest they get to marriage is "we've been engaged
22:21 DaemonFC; So Gonad was married 7 times at his point of death.
22:21 DaemonFC; His 7th wife was also his 5th.
22:21 schestowitz[TR]; it's like a non-matrimonial prenup
22:22 DaemonFC; Yeah, I mean I don't know how many times I would have been married, honestly. It was illegal until late 2014.
22:22 DaemonFC; So John would have been the only one where it was technically possible.
22:22 DaemonFC; But I didn't see any upside in doing that.
22:23 highest_cubist_thrills; it's like a non-matrimonial prenup <- i dont think thats legally binding unless its a commonlaw marriage state
22:23 highest_cubist_thrills; in which event the engagment is still irrelevant, only living together counts
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22:23 DaemonFC; I could have seen like, maybe one of them that I might have gotten married to, and it would have ended up in divorce a few years later because he was a cheater. Fun to be around, but don't ever trust him. One of those.
22:23 DaemonFC; So I may have been married and divorced once already, maybe not.
22:23 highest_cubist_thrills; besides, marriage outside of legal committment is a 1st amendment issue
22:24 highest_cubist_thrills; so a ban would be unconstitutional (outside usa, consider udhr, eu, etc)
22:24 DaemonFC; It's not a decision I take lightly, so I mean, that one may have duped me long enough to make a bad decision.
22:24 TR News; ICBM shill Timothy Prickett Morgan (sponsored, tainted) now helps Microsoft with openwashing. The criminals are... "open" https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/10/12/after-long-last-a-commercial-grade-sonic-network-operating-system/
22:24 TR Bot; After Long Last, A Commercial-Grade SONiC Network Operating System
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22:25 highest_cubist_thrills; of course some people on their first marriage might feel some superiority to divorced people, which i think is odd if youre not religious
22:25 highest_cubist_thrills; religion looks down own the divorced, but its hardly better to stay in a marriage that doesnt work (or is abusive)
22:25 TR News; Barilla and Arduino: This is not your grandmas pasta! | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/10/12/barilla-and-arduino-this-is-not-your-grandmas-pasta/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/10/12/barilla-and-arduino-this-is-not-your-grandmas-pasta/
22:26 TR Bot; Barilla and Arduino: This is not your grandmas pasta! | Arduino Blog
22:26 highest_cubist_thrills; so what exactly is the point of looking down on divorced couples, other than to emulate religious conservatives?
22:26 highest_cubist_thrills; idk, maybe you do. its hardly a progressive stance.
22:26 highest_cubist_thrills; next youll be interviewing women to see if they qualify for abortions...
22:27 highest_cubist_thrills; "oh im not against them, we just have some rules" <- most places do, but thats not the point
22:27 highest_cubist_thrills; conservatives arent exactly understanding about it, they want to make the rules harder to discriminate and discourage based on their conservative beliefs
22:28 highest_cubist_thrills; next on #techrights "why divorced people are losers and stand by your (abusive) man" (or wife)
22:28 highest_cubist_thrills; "thats not what i meant" <- no its not, you really didnt give it any thought at all though
22:29 highest_cubist_thrills; divorce is only a sin in opinion of people with haughty opinions, sunday christians, etc
22:29 highest_cubist_thrills; an atheist you say?
22:29 highest_cubist_thrills; and a progressive lol
22:30 schestowitz[TR]; to be clear, I did not say this
22:30 highest_cubist_thrills; "we got divorced" "fucking hippies! you could have at least stayed together for the children"
22:31 highest_cubist_thrills; no
22:31 highest_cubist_thrills; you didnt think about it
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; you are mistaking me explaining what some groups think
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; for my actual stance
22:31 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont know your actual stance
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; right
22:31 highest_cubist_thrills; but i cant imagine what "progressive" and "atheist" ideals got you to your critique either
22:31 highest_cubist_thrills; so i just assume youre more "conservative" than you realise. ofc i could be wrong.
22:31 schestowitz[TR]; atheism does not say anythin about marriage
22:31 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean "socially" conservative
22:32 schestowitz[TR]; we got a civil service
22:32 highest_cubist_thrills; no, but its generally at odds with the haughty prejudices of religion
22:32 highest_cubist_thrills; generally
22:32 schestowitz[TR]; usually the reeligious crown wants big parties
22:32 schestowitz[TR]; or "it doesn't count"
22:32 schestowitz[TR]; they look down on drunken vegas marriages
22:32 highest_cubist_thrills; if you want to look down on people for divorce, the TRADITIONAL venue is religion. its not mandatory-- its just the most common reason
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; marriage is not needed
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; usually the reeligious crown wants big parties <- not hindus. sikhs do.
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; animals go in couple a lot
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; like geese
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; and stay forever a coupl
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; euntil one dies
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; then they choose to stay alone
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean ok, wedding vs reception.
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; animals go in couple a lot <- they also shit in the woods.
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: substance ves industry
22:33 highest_cubist_thrills; and eat on the ground
22:33 schestowitz[TR]; *vs
22:34 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean if our goal is to emulate other mammals we have a lot of changes to make
22:34 highest_cubist_thrills; we wont need any more furniture at least
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; the concept of marriage is not human per se
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; except ceremonial
22:34 schestowitz[TR]; and some animals are more faithful to their partner than humans
22:35 DaemonFC; Some lady just tried to accuse mom of hitting her car at the CostCo parking lot.
22:35 highest_cubist_thrills; marriage is not needed <- says the married man?
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; british humans think they need 10-100 pairs of shoes
22:35 highest_cubist_thrills; i hope your sofa is comfy
22:35 DaemonFC; And then ran off when my mom called the police and gave the cops the lady's license plate number.
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; 10 is like "lower bound"
22:35 DaemonFC; Fucking scammers are everywhere.
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; for women esp.
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; so more furniture needed
22:35 schestowitz[TR]; dead trees or wood chips
22:36 schestowitz[TR]; women have 200 feet
22:36 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean you can do fake wood from plastic, but its probably better for outdoor furniture
22:36 schestowitz[TR]; according to "famous" "designers"
22:36 highest_cubist_thrills; women have 200 feet <- thats 198 fewer than ive counted
22:36 highest_cubist_thrills; er, more
22:36 highest_cubist_thrills; ive counted 198 fewer rather
22:36 schestowitz[TR]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva
22:36 TR Bot; Shiva - Wikipedia
22:36 highest_cubist_thrills; unless you mean 200 women
22:37 highest_cubist_thrills; well shivas male iirc
22:37 highest_cubist_thrills; i think shakti has two feet
22:38 highest_cubist_thrills; idk, my point is, people shouldnt stay in a bad marriage
22:38 TR News; "Between 2022-10-05 and 2022-10-12 there were 27 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 292 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 9.2 % of total released titles." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-10-12-edition/
22:38 TR Bot; New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-10-12 Edition - Boiling Steam
22:38 highest_cubist_thrills; and if you realise that, you realise the necessity of divorce
22:38 highest_cubist_thrills; because not all marriages are good
22:38 highest_cubist_thrills; people change (some do)
22:38 highest_cubist_thrills; you can stay in a bad marriage or end one
22:39 highest_cubist_thrills; you accept that as part of life or look down on it like a sunday christian would
22:39 highest_cubist_thrills; "it just isnt done, you know..."
22:39 highest_cubist_thrills; divorce has literally saved some peoples lives
22:39 highest_cubist_thrills; (like abortion)
22:39 highest_cubist_thrills; its not a tenuous connection-- in a perfect world its a right
22:40 highest_cubist_thrills; all i can guess is you think youre smarter / better / more patient or something for being married for 10 years
22:41 DaemonFC; <highest_cubist_thrills> you can stay in a bad marriage or end one
22:41 highest_cubist_thrills; ive known people who were together a lot longer than that-- in a marriage that was abusive and horrible
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: multitasking, sorry is slow to reply
22:41 highest_cubist_thrills; for what?
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; *if
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: today I updaed bubi and rebooted
22:41 DaemonFC; The same crowd that argued against no fault divorce also are against abortion.
22:41 schestowitz[TR]; so our discussion about age of kernel is now moot :-)
22:41 DaemonFC; In some sense of the word, they're right.
22:41 DaemonFC; Divorce is always one person's fault more than the other.
22:41 highest_cubist_thrills; you can prevent the older kernel from running with the null option :)
22:42 DaemonFC; But it costs so much to have a jury trial, it's usually not even worth trying to assign blame.
22:43 DaemonFC; You can write at-fault back into a prenup, you know, and make it interesting.
22:44 DaemonFC; "If the marriage ends in divorce due to adultery, then the at-fault party shall forfeit their entire entitlement in the marital estate, custody of any children produced by the marriage, and shall pay the other party for all expenses involving investigations, court costs, and attorney's fees.".
22:45 TR News; ODROID-H3 and ODROID-H3+ SBCs feature Intel Celeron N5105, Pentium N6005 processor https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/10/12/odroid-h3-and-odroid-h3-sbc-intel-celeron-n5105-pentium-n6005-processor/
22:45 TR Bot; ODROID-H3 and ODROID-H3+ SBC's feature Intel Celeron N5105, Pentium N6005 processor - CNX Software
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22:46 TR Bot; Tux Machines GStreamer 1.20.4 stable bug fix release
22:47 schestowitz[TR]; <DaemonFC> Divorce is always one person's fault more than the other.
22:47 starstreak; schestowitz[TR], linucks btw
22:47 schestowitz[TR]; maybve
22:47 schestowitz[TR]; but getting them them to agree on whose fault is the hard part
22:47 schestowitz[TR]; lawyers 'win' this 'debate'
22:47 highest_cubist_thrills; getting them them to agree on whose fault is the hard part <- no fault divorce ftw
22:47 schestowitz[TR]; starstreak: no, linux lts
22:47 schestowitz[TR]; ftw
22:48 starstreak; oh lts lol
22:49 schestowitz[TR]; rolling on the floor distreo
22:49 highest_cubist_thrills; long term support cat is loooooooooong
22:49 AdmFubar; come on up to the lab and see what's on the slab! https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63195653
22:49 TR Bot; brain cells play video game Pong - BBC News
22:49 schestowitz[TR]; she told him he was little ednian
22:49 schestowitz[TR]; so he took viagr4
22:50 schestowitz[TR]; *endian
22:50 schestowitz[TR]; AdmFubar: probably partly deceiving
22:50 schestowitz[TR]; without clicking BillBC
22:50 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome 5 has a new window manager underneath
22:50 highest_cubist_thrills; its called obesity
22:51 schestowitz[TR]; I've heard for decades of this 'research'
22:51 schestowitz[TR]; like 'mind reading'
22:51 AdmFubar; I read it is interesting research
22:51 schestowitz[TR]; and then it tuns out to be laughable exaggerations
22:51 schestowitz[TR]; "look! his brain is ACTIVE..."
22:51 schestowitz[TR]; they get some basics
22:51 schestowitz[TR]; like which direction the brain signals it wants to move in
22:51 schestowitz[TR]; or moods
22:52 schestowitz[TR]; but that's not hard
22:52 schestowitz[TR]; dream-reading is mostly fiction
22:52 schestowitz[TR]; like "polygraph"
22:52 schestowitz[TR]; "lie" "detector"
22:52 schestowitz[TR]; more like "vital signals" interrogation macvhine
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; AdmFubar: they said the same
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; about streing theory
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; quantum mechaniscs
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; quantum computers
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; and many others overhyped things
22:53 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills> gnome 5 has a new window manager underneath <- >:/
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; that they never quite got right
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; like "self-driving" cars
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; utter BS
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; 3 mice
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; "metaverse"
22:53 schestowitz[TR]; "smart watches"
22:54 schestowitz[TR]; (they STILL suck; impractical)
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> highest_cubist_thrills> gnome 5 has a new window manager underneath <- >:/ <- okay
22:54 schestowitz[TR]; every decade or two some company dabbles in that crap again
22:54 schestowitz[TR]; and it never catches on
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; how ridiculous would gnome have to be, for you to dislike it
22:54 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft Bob :-)
22:54 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean how much gnome would be "too much"
22:54 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft has a name for Linux
22:55 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> Microsoft Bob :-) <- thats gnome 6
22:55 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft B00b
22:55 highest_cubist_thrills; 81680085?
22:55 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.networkworld.com/article/2222804/microsoft-code-contains-the-phrase--big-boobs------yes--really.html
22:55 TR Bot; Microsoft code contains the phrase 'big boobs' ... Yes, really | Network World
22:55 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, for me to dislike gnome? it would have to switch back to gtk2 and look like xfce
22:55 DaemonFC; Mandy's definitely over whatever happened last night.
22:55 MinceR; 12 235442 < highest_cubist_thrills> i mean how much gnome would be "too much"
22:55 highest_cubist_thrills; lol
22:55 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft: we only hire the best perverts
22:55 MinceR; as far as the "modern" crew is concerned, more is always better
22:56 DaemonFC; He slept for over 48 hours since Sunday.
22:56 highest_cubist_thrills; xfce has gotten really horrible
22:56 MinceR; 12 235553 < schestowitz[TR]> Microsoft: we only hire the best perverts
22:56 highest_cubist_thrills; which is too bad
22:56 schestowitz[TR]; DaemonFC: so he can no longer transmit or contract the virus ;-)
22:56 MinceR; otherwise they'd "miss out"
22:56 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, i was *almost* considering switching to KDE when gnome decided to change gnome terminal to gnome console in the file manager
22:56 schestowitz[TR]; https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/12/testing-by-pfizer/
22:56 TR Bot; Blog Archive Pfizer Not Testing COVID-19 Vaccines Properly
22:56 highest_cubist_thrills; when gnome 3 came out my wife switched to xfce
22:56 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, but a plugin fixes that
22:56 AdmFubar; the bobs comment might describing certain company founders
22:57 highest_cubist_thrills; but a plugin fixes that <- lol
22:57 MinceR; what plugin fixes xfce4-panel crashing every time someone tries to remove a panel?
22:57 MinceR; what plugin fixes xfce relying on a settings daemon?
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; AdmFubar: there are two
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; one is dead
22:57 starstreak; MinceR, doesn't crash xfce for me when i accidentally did that in a openbsd vm
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; the other is"well, he's dead"
22:57 highest_cubist_thrills; "sorry we tried to force you to use somethingh that used to be configurable-- install this program to make ours less fucking stupid"
22:57 MinceR; is it like the telnet randomly-lose option?
22:57 schestowitz[TR]; talking of his BFF who trafficks little girls for f***ing
22:58 highest_cubist_thrills; 3rd parties fixing 1st-party punch-yourself stupid fuckups
22:58 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/
22:58 highest_cubist_thrills; reminds me of kde 4.
22:58 TR Bot; Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights
22:58 MinceR; reminds me of windows
22:58 starstreak; KDE 4 was awesome
22:58 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> what plugin fixes xfce4-panel crashing every time someone tries to remove a panel? <- icewm
22:58 MinceR; kde4 was trash
22:58 schestowitz[TR]; I still use it on one PC
22:58 MinceR; but later kde-s are probably worse
22:58 MinceR; highest_cubist_thrills: lol
22:59 highest_cubist_thrills; kde4 dropped support for 1mp cameras
22:59 schestowitz[TR]; rianne uses lmde, gnome, and plasma5
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 175.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 151.81
22:59 MinceR; kde4 plasma crashed all the time and forgot its settings in the process
22:59 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> kde4 plasma crashed all the time and forgot its settings in the process <- probably some bad javascript
22:59 schestowitz[TR]; early kde4
22:59 MinceR; :>
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; they sent linus to therapists after he teried kde 4.0
23:00 MinceR; not early kde4, "we finally made it as good as kde3 was" kde4
23:00 MinceR; (spoiler alert: they didn't. they never did.)
23:00 psydruid; the panel disappeared all the time for others, it just never happened to me
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; so he could tell them about the UI "nazis"
23:00 starstreak; I think KDE3 is trash
23:00 highest_cubist_thrills; <schestowitz[TR]> they sent linus to therapists after he teried kde 4.0 <- kde should pay for anyone who needs therapy after 4.0
23:00 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/12/drone-roof-attack/
23:00 TR Bot; Wi-Fi spy drones used to snoop on financial firm The Register
23:00 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> I think KDE3 is trash <- yeah i hate when stuff works
23:00 MinceR; of course you "think" that
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; https://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00022.html
23:00 TR Bot; [Usability] Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME
23:00 schestowitz[TR]; https://itwire.com/open-sauce/interface-nazis-in-torvalds-line-of-fire.html
23:00 TR Bot; - 'Interface nazis' in Torvalds' line of fire
23:01 starstreak; MinceR, you seem to think that xfce crashes for everyone because it happened to you
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; kde3 never crashed on me once. kde3 and kde4 were like jack spratt and his wife.
23:01 schestowitz[TR]; highest_cubist_thrills: kde, made in deutschland
23:01 schestowitz[TR]; sexil in the city
23:01 psydruid; kde4 was terrible until the later releases
23:01 highest_cubist_thrills; because it happened to you <- i can confirm xfce crashed when you messed with panels in a way that should not crash anything.
23:01 MinceR; what good is a DE or any application or any website if it doesn't consume _all_ the resources of a Fugaku?
23:01 AdmFubar; oh what could go wrong here! https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/11/california_digital_license_plates/
23:01 TR Bot; California legalizes digital license plates for all vehicles The Register
23:02 highest_cubist_thrills; <psydruid> kde4 was terrible until the later releases <- by then they had squandered everyones good will
23:02 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, i switched from KDE3 to Gnome 2, then from Gnome 3 to KDE4, then I used macOS, came back to linux and gnome 3 was pretty stable
23:02 MinceR; you've paid for that hardware and you're going to use _all_ of it.
23:02 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah i really only use a computer for the de. i dont need any resources for OTHER programs.
23:02 MinceR; starstreak: i seem to think that xfce4 is unreliable because that's what my experience shows.
23:02 highest_cubist_thrills; like windows, ive never installed anything on it and IT WORKS FINE
23:02 MinceR; starstreak: i seem to think that xfce4 is poorly designed and bloated because that's what a settings daemon is.
23:03 starstreak; MinceR, ok boomer
23:03 MinceR; especially if i have to manually kill it and restart it so i can edit the xml file the panel is configured with
23:03 MinceR; because the panel crashes when i try to change its configuration
23:03 TR News; "Mycroft AIs Mimic 3, an Open Source Text-to-Speech engine I used to generate audio of a blog post." https://popey.com/blog/2022/10/setting-up-mimic3/
23:03 starstreak; maybe you should get a better computer
23:03 TR Bot; Setting Up Mimic 3 - Alan Pope's blog
23:03 highest_cubist_thrills; came back to linux and gnome 3 was pretty stable <- stability wasnt the problem with gnome 3 imo
23:03 MinceR; yeah, that's the solution
23:04 MinceR; why do anything worthwhile with the resources of my computer if i can instead waste it on crapware?
23:04 psydruid; if you think it doesn't look like Mac OS, you're a boomer
23:04 starstreak; psydruid, i like macOS
23:04 MinceR; again, Backdoors and crapOS do that better
23:04 MinceR; so what's the point of gnome OS and kde?
23:04 psydruid; if you can't afford the latest hardware, you're a loser
23:04 starstreak; MinceR, so i can run free software instead of proprietary garbage
23:04 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> so what's the point of gnome OS and kde? <- to cancel free software, mostly
23:05 MinceR; if you can use the latest hardware on something meaningful, you're a boomer. apparently.
23:05 MinceR; starstreak: you don't run free software. you run systemd.
23:05 starstreak; systemd is licensed under the GPL so yeah I do run free software
23:05 MinceR; and you run gnome.
23:05 starstreak; gnome is also under a free software license
23:05 MinceR; the Free Software Definition does not depend on the license
23:05 starstreak; then you're retarded
23:05 MinceR; it says something about the freedoms of users. which systemd and gnome both violate flagrantly
23:06 MinceR; yeah, apparently someone who can read and understand what they read is retarded
23:06 MinceR; i wonder how that works
23:06 starstreak; you can't read
23:06 MinceR; this is getting more interesting
23:06 starstreak; and you're a towel
23:06 MinceR; starstreak: can you prove any of this bullshit?
23:06 starstreak; prove systemd and gnome are under a free software license?
23:07 MinceR; no
23:07 MinceR; prove that i can't read
23:07 MinceR; but first, prove that you can read
23:07 MinceR; you can start here >> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
23:07 starstreak; yeah, if you could read you would understand what free software means
23:07 TR Bot; What is Free Software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
23:07 psydruid; you might as well just stick to Mac OS at that point
23:08 MinceR; i can and i do
23:08 MinceR; starstreak: unfortunately, you still confuse it with "open source"
23:08 MinceR; which was not discussed.
23:09 highest_cubist_thrills; the thing is, gnome really is hostile to users. openly. they dont hide it.
23:10 MinceR; gnome people openly claimed that you're not supposed to be able to change the way the gnome panel looks because of "branding"
23:10 starstreak; dash to dock, dash to panel, extensions
23:11 MinceR; gnome people lobbied application developers to remove optional system tray support from their applications because gnome doesn't support it
23:11 TR News; October 2022: MORE new COVID-19 cases than October 2021. Biden: PANDEMIC IS OVER https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
23:11 TR Bot; COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
23:11 highest_cubist_thrills; gnome conspired with systemd and thats probably a factor in why debian decided to fuck everybody
23:11 highest_cubist_thrills; because debian is gnomes bitch
23:11 highest_cubist_thrills; and now theyre ibms bitch
23:12 highest_cubist_thrills; and ultimately theyre microsofts bitch
23:12 highest_cubist_thrills; but free software doesnt make anyone its bitch
23:12 highest_cubist_thrills; and gnome isnt free software
23:13 highest_cubist_thrills; the license means nothing in practice
23:13 highest_cubist_thrills; it can-- if it were free software, the license would help
23:13 highest_cubist_thrills; the license is necessary for it to be free software
23:13 highest_cubist_thrills; what happened with tivo-- it was under the gpl too
23:13 highest_cubist_thrills; and the gpl two
23:13 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, what closed source code is in gnome?
23:13 highest_cubist_thrills; closed source has nothing to with free software, what does it even mean
23:14 highest_cubist_thrills; what is closed source
23:14 starstreak; so i have to use a shitty DE/WM that forces me to use the console for everything to be free?
23:14 highest_cubist_thrills; the free software definition is not only about source
23:14 highest_cubist_thrills; so i have to use a shitty DE/WM that forces me to use the console for everything to be free? <- only if the alternatives shit on users and make them their bitches
23:15 highest_cubist_thrills; i used gnome 2 btw
23:15 highest_cubist_thrills; i used xfce when it was better (though mincer is right about the panel)
23:15 starstreak; ok so i have to use mate to be free?
23:15 highest_cubist_thrills; nah, mate is github :)
23:15 TR News; Highest COVID-19 death rates (per capita): 2nd to 6th: Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Hungary, North Macedonia, Montenegro. Nearby nations.
23:15 starstreak; lol
23:15 highest_cubist_thrills; youd have to fork it LD
23:15 highest_cubist_thrills; :D
23:15 starstreak; thats so dumb
23:15 highest_cubist_thrills; yeah thats the world we live in now
23:16 highest_cubist_thrills; things get dumb when capitalists take over the free software movement
23:16 starstreak; apparently i don't have the freedom to run a bloated DE
23:16 highest_cubist_thrills; youre shooting the messenger
23:16 starstreak; fvwm,dwm,icewm are non free because i don't have the freedom to run a bloated DE
23:16 highest_cubist_thrills; i don't have the freedom to run a bloated DE <- the freedom to be shackled to a mountain of bullshit is a cynical linguistic construct
23:17 highest_cubist_thrills; its like saying "i dont have the freedom to push pensioners out into the streets because i tripled the rent"
23:17 starstreak; i fucking like gnome
23:17 highest_cubist_thrills; i get that
23:17 highest_cubist_thrills; but theyre still dicks who hate users
23:17 starstreak; i should have the freedom to run whatever software i want, its my computer, not yours
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; i should have the freedom to run whatever software i want, its my computer, not yours <- this is a common misunderstanding about free softwware
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; free software does not require you to RUN free software.
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; it HELPS
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; but it is not REQUIRED
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; its BETTER, its not mandatory
23:18 highest_cubist_thrills; its better in a very specific way with which you may disagree.
23:19 highest_cubist_thrills; but its still better In That Way
23:19 TR News; COVID-19 Pandemic Not Over (More Cases This Past Summer Than Last Year In Spite of Fewer Tests) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/12/covid-19-pandemic-not-over-more-cases-this-past-summer-than-last-year-in-spite-of-fewer-tests/
23:19 TR Bot; Blog Archive COVID-19 Pandemic Not Over (More Cases This Past Summer Than Last Year In Spite of Fewer Tests)
23:19 highest_cubist_thrills; and as long as free software means "users control their computing"
23:19 highest_cubist_thrills; free software will naturally be at odds with gnome trying to make users their bitch
23:19 highest_cubist_thrills; or it would be, if free software werent dead...
23:19 starstreak; if there is something gnome does that i don't like, there are extensions and plugins
23:20 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
23:20 highest_cubist_thrills; if there is something gnome does that i don't like, there are extensions and plugins <- oh, yes windows
23:20 highest_cubist_thrills; i remember windows
23:20 starstreak; ugh
23:20 highest_cubist_thrills; it had extensions and plugins. a symptom of not being able to
23:20 highest_cubist_thrills; what? this is EXACTLY what i moved to free software to get away from.
23:20 highest_cubist_thrills; and exactly what gnome works so hard to "bring back"
23:20 starstreak; all software is shit
23:20 highest_cubist_thrills; extensions and plugins and "fuck you wontfix, do it our way"
23:20 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> all software is shit <- sigh. it is now.
23:21 starstreak; but i think gnome/wayland/systemd is less shitty than windows
23:21 highest_cubist_thrills; i think gnome/wayland/systemd is less shitty than windows <- by what measure?
23:21 highest_cubist_thrills; define "shitty"
23:21 MinceR; 13 001515 < highest_cubist_thrills> i used xfce when it was better (though mincer is right about the panel)
23:21 highest_cubist_thrills; or even "less hitty"
23:21 MinceR; so did i
23:21 MinceR; i also used gnome 1
23:21 starstreak; windows isn't unix
23:21 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> windows isn't unix <- unix is pretty dead
23:21 MinceR; 13 001517 < starstreak> ok so i have to use mate to be free?
23:21 starstreak; openbsd is alive and well
23:22 highest_cubist_thrills; openbsd isnt unix
23:22 TR News; Red Hat upselling like traditional IBM salespeople https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/introducing-red-hat-insights-integration-servicenow
23:22 TR Bot; Introducing the Red Hat Insights integration with ServiceNow
23:22 MinceR; does mate value the freedom of its users and community more highly than "branding" and other similar bullshit?
23:22 highest_cubist_thrills; its probably reasonably close
23:22 starstreak; ok so BSD isn't unix?
23:22 highest_cubist_thrills; id rather use openbsd than unix
23:22 MinceR; 13 002202 < highest_cubist_thrills> openbsd isnt unix
23:22 MinceR; in what way?
23:22 highest_cubist_thrills; bsd is DECIDEDLY NOT unix, because trademark issues :)
23:22 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> in what way? <- officially
23:22 MinceR; the only way i can think of is that the Closed Group doesn't certify it
23:22 MinceR; but The Closed Group can go fuck itself
23:23 MinceR; and its ill-gotten trademark
23:23 MinceR; s
23:23 TR News; Red Hat spreads that lie that Microsoft "brought SQL Server to Linux." It did not. It's lousy Drawbridge. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-data-platform-virtual-summit-2022
23:23 TR Bot; Red Hat at the Data Platform Virtual Summit 2022
23:23 highest_cubist_thrills; i mean i honestly think that bsd is better than unix.
23:23 MinceR; they're a bunch of greedy suits with Imaginary Property dropped in their lap by novell
23:23 highest_cubist_thrills; but if you ask the most official bsd people (fuck closed group) you can find
23:23 highest_cubist_thrills; they will say-- its NOT unix
23:23 MinceR; i honestly think that BSD _is_ Unix
23:23 MinceR; and that GNU/Linux _is_ Unix
23:23 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> i honestly think that BSD _is_ Unix <- and the way YOU mean it-- it probably is
23:24 highest_cubist_thrills; so we are quibbling about definitions, not status.
23:24 MinceR; they obey Unix standards, they have Unix user interfaces, they tend to follow the Unix philosophy
23:24 MinceR; unlike the crap The Closed Group certifies for money
23:24 TR News; Red Hat pushing clown and unneeded complexity, then selling crap https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/capacity-planning-never-go-limitless
23:24 TR Bot; Capacity planning: Never go limitless
23:24 starstreak; macOS actually follows the posix standard more than linucks
23:24 MinceR; and unlike systemd/Linux
23:24 MinceR; starstreak: [citation needed]
23:25 starstreak; MinceR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#POSIX-certified
23:25 TR Bot; POSIX - Wikipedia
23:25 MinceR; also, crapOS has a toy UI designed for children, not a Unix UI
23:25 TR News; Clown computing: the equivalent of media telling you never ever to buy a home, only ever rent from some greedy tycoons who treat you like tenanted cattle.
23:25 highest_cubist_thrills; <MinceR> and that GNU/Linux _is_ Unix <- idk, it looks more like systemd to me. though you run devuan iirc
23:25 MinceR; starstreak: i'll repeat it once more for your benefit, i don't give a fuck about whom The Closed Group certified for gobs of money.
23:25 MinceR; that paper is worthless
23:25 MinceR; it's worth less than toilet paper
23:26 MinceR; toilet paper is at least usable for wiping asses
23:26 starstreak; MinceR, ok gramps
23:26 highest_cubist_thrills; /me does not, for the record, care what closed group things either
23:26 highest_cubist_thrills; thinks
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; apple assumes humans have one finger
23:26 MinceR; i see starstreak has run out of arguments once again
23:26 starstreak; MinceR, ok gramps
23:26 schestowitz[TR]; I'd like to give them one
23:26 MinceR; highest_cubist_thrills: i mostly run Bedrock, set up in a way that it's mostly Void
23:26 MinceR; i also have Void and OpenBSD systems
23:26 highest_cubist_thrills; i also have Void and OpenBSD systems <- like dual boot
23:26 highest_cubist_thrills; ?
23:26 MinceR; crApple's target audience can't get their fingers apart
23:27 starstreak; nobody seems to run slackware which still uses lilo and some ancient rc
23:27 MinceR; well, this laptop does dual boot between those, yes
23:27 highest_cubist_thrills; ive never been ambitious enough to dual boot anything with bsd. i watched a video about it
23:27 MinceR; i ran slackware until an upgrade fucked it up and my patience ran out
23:27 highest_cubist_thrills; i managed to avoid slackware
23:27 MinceR; (also, that slackware system was my experiment to rely on distro-agnostic package systems and it didn't work out)
23:27 highest_cubist_thrills; curiosity and convenience and mixed reviews never lined up properly for me
23:28 MinceR; i had nix, which didn't work reliably, and Gentoo RAP which had ebuilds that didn't support prefix
23:28 highest_cubist_thrills; to rely on distro-agnostic package systems <- i love the idea, but if guix was the only package manager id just fucking build myself
23:28 schestowitz[TR]; macs.. so east ET could use them
23:28 highest_cubist_thrills; i had nix, which didn't work reliably <- systemd i think
23:28 MinceR; no, that's nixos
23:28 highest_cubist_thrills; oh yes
23:29 highest_cubist_thrills; i didnt know there was another nix
23:29 MinceR; the nix package manager itself doesn't depend on systemd, or at least didn't when i used it
23:29 highest_cubist_thrills; ah, ok
23:29 starstreak; linucks is faster than windows
23:29 MinceR; i did try nixos, but even the installer didn't work
23:29 highest_cubist_thrills; macs.. so east ET could use them <- that was a ti speak n spell
23:29 MinceR; and then they went full systemd
23:29 highest_cubist_thrills; but some macs remind me of a speak n spell too :)
23:29 MinceR; isn't ET supposed to be fairly sophisticated?
23:29 highest_cubist_thrills; well it was the 80s
23:29 *techrights-news has quit (Received malformed line)
23:29 MinceR; an alien that could travel between solar systems at least
23:30 starstreak; oooo ET
23:30 *starstreak downloads
23:30 *techrights-news (~techrights-news@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights
23:30 MinceR; Enemy Territory?
23:30 TR News; The pandering panic gemini://idiomdrottning.org/pandering "I cant believe its been almost a decade and its still a thing"
23:30 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> ACTION download <- anything with a guy named elliot eh
23:30 highest_cubist_thrills; "the baxter" has one too
23:30 highest_cubist_thrills; elliot sherman
23:30 starstreak; highest_cubist_thrills, your irc client sucks
23:31 TR News; The clock that came in from the cold gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/10/12.1
23:31 highest_cubist_thrills; your irc client sucks <- i wish it did >:)
23:31 starstreak; it does, your actions are broken
23:31 starstreak; you'll do /me without the action and when you quote me it says ACTION in caps lol
23:32 highest_cubist_thrills; i dont think it supports any features like that
23:32 starstreak; yeah its obvious
23:32 MinceR; muh feechurs
23:32 starstreak; even 16-bit mIRC from 30 years ago works fine
23:32 TR News; (UPDATED): TUXEDO Computers Releases Live ISO of Its Ubuntu-Based TUXEDO OS Linux Distro http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/06/TUXEDO_Computers_Releases_Live_ISO_of_Its_Ubuntu_Based_TUXEDO_O.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/06/TUXEDO_Computers_Releases_Live_ISO_of_Its_Ubuntu_Based_TUXEDO_O.gmi
23:32 TR Bot; Tux Machines TUXEDO Computers Releases Live ISO of Its Ubuntu-Based TUXEDO OS Linux Distro
23:32 highest_cubist_thrills; this one runs on a ti speak n spell :)
23:32 highest_cubist_thrills; /phone home
23:32 starstreak; muh 30 year old scripts need to be updated so i hate systemd
23:33 highest_cubist_thrills; thats not why i hate systemd
23:33 starstreak; there is no such thing as free software
23:33 highest_cubist_thrills; there totally was
23:33 starstreak; there never was
23:33 highest_cubist_thrills; there are still thousands of artifacts left behind
23:34 TR News; Carson City. There are no dues,
23:34 highest_cubist_thrills; <starstreak> there never was <- well thats silly
23:34 starstreak; its not silly
23:34 TR News; "Hello, glenn green here and I am trying to start a Linux Users Group here in Carson City. There are no dues, membership is free as in beer." https://www.recordcourier.com/news/2022/oct/12/carson-city-linux-users-group/
23:34 TR Bot; Carson City Linux Users Group | Serving Minden-Gardnerville and Carson Valley
23:34 highest_cubist_thrills; it is
23:34 MinceR; muh strawman
23:34 highest_cubist_thrills; it reached its peak between 2001 and 2014
23:35 highest_cubist_thrills; i would say between 2007 and 2014 but then some people will disagree, so i move the earlier date for them
23:35 starstreak; any software that is too complicated for one person is non free
23:35 highest_cubist_thrills; any software that is too complicated for one person is non free <- thats not quite it
23:35 starstreak; thats your definition
23:35 highest_cubist_thrills; openbsd is too complicated for one person really
23:35 starstreak; too bloated for one person to read the source code means non free
23:35 highest_cubist_thrills; thats your definition <- funny then, that im saying it isnt
23:36 MinceR; starstreak loves strawmen
23:36 highest_cubist_thrills; like from the wizard of oz?
23:36 MinceR; i guess they're "modern"
23:36 psydruid; > any software that is too complicated for one person is non free
23:36 psydruid; you got it
23:36 starstreak; mincer loves 20 year old software
23:36 MinceR; i like software that does its job well, regardless of how old it is
23:36 starstreak; his software has to be old enough to drink
23:36 MinceR; i don't like software that attempts to take over various functionalities of the OS and does them all wrong
23:37 MinceR; while the authors claim it's the only true way
23:37 highest_cubist_thrills; i don't like software that attempts to take over various functionalities of the OS and does them all wrong <- i can second this
23:37 starstreak; muh flame war
23:37 highest_cubist_thrills; if there were no flame wars, would it really be the internet?
23:37 starstreak; lol touche
23:37 highest_cubist_thrills; /me bows
23:37 psydruid; I think we've found the biggest gnu/linsux fan in the world
23:38 highest_cubist_thrills; I think we've found the biggest gnu/linsux fan in the world <- not even close
23:38 highest_cubist_thrills; ive seen much worse
23:38 MinceR; is this 2000?
23:38 TR News; BRouter: An Open-source Offline-first Cycling Routing App https://medevel.com/brouter/ Source: Medevel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//medevel.com/brouter/
23:38 TR Bot; BRouter: An Open-source Offline-first Cycling Routing App
23:39 TR News; (NEW): 6 Kubernetes distributions leading the container revolution http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/6_Kubernetes_distributions_leading_the_container_revolution.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/6_Kubernetes_distributions_leading_the_container_revolution.gmi
23:39 TR Bot; Tux Machines 6 Kubernetes distributions leading the container revolution
23:39 psydruid; this is Sparta
23:39 schestowitz[TR]; this is spartan://
23:39 highest_cubist_thrills; can it be sparta without a "Spartan" desktop?
23:40 highest_cubist_thrills; because gnome is definitely not spartan
23:40 highest_cubist_thrills; neither is kde. and xfce isnt far behind.
23:40 highest_cubist_thrills; i REALLY WANT to LIKE xfce
23:40 highest_cubist_thrills; unfortunately it is gnomes bitch too
23:40 highest_cubist_thrills; maybe they tried not to be, points for that, but gtk is a hell of a drug
23:41 highest_cubist_thrills; like crack
23:41 TR News; "Builder.io is a free open-source framework agonistic library for building and design stylish web pages with drag and drop." https://medevel.com/builder-io/
23:41 TR Bot; Builder.io Builds a Web and eCommerce Pages with Drag and Drop
23:41 highest_cubist_thrills; /me really thinks they should fork gtk
23:41 schestowitz[TR]; user openbox
23:42 schestowitz[TR]; no feh, no nothing
23:42 schestowitz[TR]; menus, pagers
23:42 psydruid; I just wonder with all of these DEs if people just like the way they work or the specific technologies and libraries themselves
23:42 schestowitz[TR]; just blank
23:42 schestowitz[TR]; my previous main machine had 2gb of ram, so openbox was a good fit
23:43 psydruid; because I don't care about the specific technologies and libraries
23:43 psydruid; as long as things work and are maintainable in terms of source code
23:43 TR News; Linux: we add MICROSOFT PROPRIETARY CRAP... while removing potentially useful old features https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=3002b7a31894cfa0e57080f7e0961b5fee788aa3
23:43 TR Bot; kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree
23:49 TR News; Road Space Comparison https://xkcd.com/2684/
23:49 TR Bot; Road Space Comparison
23:49 TR News; Mike Vizard now writing puff pieces for criminals (Microsoft)
23:50 TR News; This DIY steering wheel is a cheaper alternative for use in sim racing | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/10/12/this-diy-steering-wheel-is-a-cheaper-alternative-for-use-in-sim-racing/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/10/12/this-diy-steering-wheel-is-a-cheaper-alternative-for-use-in-sim-racing/
23:50 TR Bot; This DIY steering wheel is a cheaper alternative for use in sim racing | Arduino Blog
23:51 TR News; Another panda NFT for slaves of ICBM (it has no real money to compensates them with?) https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/f38-i18n-test-day-participant
23:51 TR Bot; Fedora Badges
23:52 TR News; "This badge has never been awarded!" I'm sure those NFTs can help net people a job... or not. ICBM won't buy the cow if it can get the milk from volunteers/slaves. https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/f39-i18n-test-day-participant
23:52 TR Bot; Fedora Badges
23:52 TR News; (NEW): Ubuntu 22.04.1: Slightly late, but a worthwhile upgrade http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Ubuntu_22_04_1_Slightly_late_but_a_worthwhile_upgrade.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/12/Ubuntu_22_04_1_Slightly_late_but_a_worthwhile_upgrade.gmi
23:52 TR Bot; Tux Machines Ubuntu 22.04.1: Slightly late, but a worthwhile upgrade
23:54 TR News; Microsoft failing at security and the corrupt media won't even name the culprit https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/vulnerable-api-exposes-private-npm-packages/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/
23:54 TR Bot; API Exposes Private npm Packages | eSecurityPlanet
23:54 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights
23:56 TR News; Nowadays, owing to corporate control of the media, it's fashionable to pretend all security problems are "open source" or "supply chain". Back doors in proprietary software ignored. http://techrights.org/2022/10/08/distraction-by-distortion/
23:57 TR Bot; Beware the Distortion of Terms Like Supply Chain, Zero Day, and Back Door (New FUD Patterns Against Free Software, a Distraction From the Real Culprits) | Techrights
23:57 TR News; Ad disguised as "news" or "article" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/business-software/zoho-marks-five-years-of-web-based-business-suite-zoho-one.html
23:57 TR Bot; - Zoho marks five years of Web-based business suite Zoho One
23:59 TR News; Has https://devops.com/ gone defunct? Just a dump of press releases (SPAM) and other forms of webspam. In a year of two all this "ops" hype/nonsense will hopefully be passe already.
23:59 TR Bot; - The Web's Largest Collection of DevOps Content
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