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beginning of new day, October 11

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8 AM, October 11

08:21 Techrights-sec; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-101022.html#tOct%2010%2020:07:57

http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-101022.html#tOct%2010%2020:07:57

08:21 Techrights-sec; ^ topic ?

08:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 10, 2022

08:41 schestowitz-TR; thanks for the topi suggestion

08:42 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Oil-rich countries seem to be pushing for "MAGA", i.e. destabilising the West https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/maga-wave-midterm-elections/ | Source: The Nation

↺ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/maga-wave-midterm-elections/

08:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | The Dangers of a MAGA Wave Election | The Nation

08:54 schestowitz-TR; i wrote about opensource.com (wanted to write it ysterday, then forgot what I had in mind due to too many things going on at once)

08:54 schestowitz-TR; hackaday also deteriorated, but I don't think it coinicided with the change of editor

08:54 schestowitz-TR; I think it was months apart

08:54 schestowitz-TR; they used to have better stories/projects

08:54 schestowitz-TR; couterpunch might not last another 2 years


9 AM, October 11

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10:50 Techrights-sec; np


11 AM, October 11

11:01 schestowitz-TR; the new editor is egoistic, self-promoting, and barely covers linux

11:01 Techrights-sec; the effect of a change in editor can take place over time, stories are in

11:01 Techrights-sec; the pipeline for up to a few weeks, but also the editor can shift beats and

11:01 Techrights-sec; priorities and drive out old staff and bring in flunkies

11:01 Techrights-sec; Not a surprise, he was probably selected for all three traits. :(

11:10 Techrights-sec; Especially ignoring Linux and FOSS in general

11:17 Techrights-sec; What is the age of the new editor? I would posit that few millenials and almost

11:17 Techrights-sec; no genZ have actual computer experience.

11:17 Techrights-sec; Raspberry Pi Foundation was trying to turn that around but got hit simultaneously from several sides, including infiltration on multiple levels.

11:18 schestowitz-TR; not sure of the age, just name

11:18 schestowitz-TR; paradoxically, more people than ever have access to computes

11:18 schestowitz-TR; in the past, it was few

11:18 schestowitz-TR; they were more advanced

11:18 schestowitz-TR; I wonder if only the % that is literature went down or also the totals

11:20 schestowitz-TR; lol spamnil's spam now goes with generic author name, "news team"

11:20 schestowitz-TR; some "team", eh?

11:20 schestowitz-TR; the "enderle GROUP"

11:24 psydruid; the "news" media are complicit in actively fighting the inevitable victory of free software over closed source software because they know the companies that fund them stand to lose

11:30 Techrights-sec; ack

11:31 schestowitz-TR; IBM seems to be doing kamikaze on it. it sounds bizarre until you count how microsofters entered management positions there

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noon, October 11

12:38 schestowitz-TR; draft

12:38 Techrights-sec; checking

12:38 Techrights-sec; still empty

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12:57 Techrights-sec; checking

12:57 Techrights-sec; Acronyms CI, SPI, and GSoC should be expanded when they first occur.

12:57 Techrights-sec; s/with neither/without either/

12:57 Techrights-sec; It might be more clear to add an additional sentence clarifying that at least

12:57 Techrights-sec; one of thsoe two browsers must now be present in Debian. If they are hard

12:57 Techrights-sec; dependencies for base packages then that should be mentioned too

12:57 Techrights-sec; Does that apply to just the desktop or does it affect Debian in other forms,

12:57 Techrights-sec; server and embedded etc

12:57 schestowitz-TR; that's the thing I don't know

12:57 Techrights-sec; ?

12:57 schestowitz-TR; need to ask dfc

12:57 Techrights-sec; It'd be an important fact to have covered in the article.


1 PM, October 11

13:18 Techrights-sec; ^ none of the above is worth quoting and doing so distracts from the message

13:18 Techrights-sec; and detracts from the article :/

13:33 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft TCO; the company is not compatible with the notion of security, but it's a "market leader" in NSA back doors. https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/living-off-the-cloud-cloudy-with-a-chance-of-exfiltration/

↺ https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/living-off-the-cloud-cloudy-with-a-chance-of-exfiltration/

13:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pentestpartners.com | Living off the Cloud. Cloudy with a Chance of Exfiltration | Pen Test Partners

13:33 schestowitz-TR; ipwatchdog seems like it's dying. Just 2 or 3 comments this week. We remember it being a hub for many people. The editor left years ago, seeing the demise alrea

13:39 Techrights-sec; The problem with m$ goes beyond software. If m$ products are present at all

13:39 Techrights-sec; on the network, you do not have a technical problem but a staffing problem which

13:39 Techrights-sec; in all likelihood extends up into the management levels.

13:39 Techrights-sec; m$ is completely incompatible with common notions of security.

13:41 schestowitz-TR; i have a general, board question

13:41 schestowitz-TR; assuming people are still on the Net, no less than before

13:41 schestowitz-TR; where does your intuition tell you they are at?

13:41 schestowitz-TR; I'm doing a quick post about this

13:41 schestowitz-TR; sandvine gave some stats

13:41 schestowitz-TR; froom observation (just one person, rianne, during lockdown), it's lots of "videos"

13:41 schestowitz-TR; and scrolling down infinite scroll pages like BBC

13:41 schestowitz-TR; without really opening pages

13:42 Techrights-sec; I'm not sure where they are. I get a lot of people assuming that other

13:42 Techrights-sec; people are in social control media, but there is no way to sort that from

13:42 Techrights-sec; disinformation and hype at the moment.

13:42 Techrights-sec; Videos are a big problem. You can watch in a 45 minute video what you could

13:42 Techrights-sec; once read in 5 minutes or less. So if people are watching instead of reading

13:42 Techrights-sec; that would make a huge time difference.

13:44 schestowitz-TR; ok, I will stick to observaable facts

13:44 schestowitz-TR; without hypothesising too much

13:44 schestowitz-TR; tiktok looks like 90s shit on steroids

13:45 schestowitz-TR; is it even profitable?

13:45 schestowitz-TR; we discussed this months ago and I cannot recall the conclusion

13:45 schestowitz-TR; who pays for all this bandwidth and what for?

13:45 Techrights-sec; Never seen TikTok, just read about the damage and addictiveness and disinformation surrounding it.

13:45 Techrights-sec; Yes, the cost of not just bandwidth but the ever-increasing storage is a big

13:45 Techrights-sec; question. TikTok seems to try to take on the latter by focusing on "shorts".

13:49 schestowitz-TR; theory: many "tech" or "web" companies gambled on a future that never came

13:49 schestowitz-TR; mnanyh folded in the dot com boom

13:49 schestowitz-TR; but some had a second go or second life

13:49 schestowitz-TR; those that the regime (debt, "defencE") subsidise are there to spy, manipulate, censors

13:49 schestowitz-TR; like youtube does... ramping it up very rapidly

13:49 schestowitz-TR; and tiktok is the same ezxcept one of the tentaclkes from the CCP

13:49 schestowitz-TR; CPP

13:49 schestowitz-TR; CPC

13:49 Techrights-sec; I guess it is now capped at 10min, up from 3 min:

13:49 Techrights-sec; https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/28/tiktok-expands-max-video-length-to-10-minutes-up-from-3-minutes/

↺ https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/28/tiktok-expands-max-video-length-to-10-minutes-up-from-3-minutes/

13:49 Techrights-sec; ByteDance is beholden to and operates only under the permission of the CCP

13:49 Techrights-sec; ByteDance is a surveillance and propaganda engine by design.

13:49 Techrights-sec; It'd not be that different for another country to start up a youth-targeting

13:49 Techrights-sec; video site using Palantir or Team Cymru or one of the others. :(

13:49 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-TikTok expands max video length to 10 minutes, up from 3 minutes TechCrunch

13:50 schestowitz-TR; iirc, palantor and bytedance don't make a profit

13:50 schestowitz-TR; something shores them up

13:50 Techrights-sec; Probably not, that's not what they are about anyway. They are both about

13:50 Techrights-sec; surveillance. The former is done as a company in order to evade the constraints

13:50 Techrights-sec; and oversight required of the public sector.

13:56 schestowitz-TR; this is not fair competition

13:56 schestowitz-TR; and it's worse than graft asthe activity is illegal

13:56 schestowitz-TR; I was told that also by a whistleblower

13:56 schestowitz-TR; by companies that do this

13:56 schestowitz-TR; they also do election meddling

13:56 schestowitz-TR; I read somewhere byt cannot find the ref atm that BoA expects 175k layoffs a month or a week

13:56 schestowitz-TR; just in time for US election

13:56 schestowitz-TR; sleepy needs to wake up and not pretend there's a recovery and "pandemic is over"

13:57 Techrights-sec; Probably.

13:57 Techrights-sec; Recall that both Snowden and Winner were excempt from whistleblowers' protection

13:57 Techrights-sec; due to the hard fact that they were working in the private sector.


2 PM, October 11

14:10 Techrights-sec; https://www.efinancialcareers.fi/news/2022/09/goldman-sachs-hiring-and-firing

↺ https://www.efinancialcareers.fi/news/2022/09/goldman-sachs-hiring-and-firing

14:10 Techrights-sec; ?

14:10 Techrights-sec; Those aren't real jobs though but could be an indirect indicator of more

14:10 Techrights-sec; substantial parts of the economy

14:10 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.efinancialcareers.fi | Goldman Sachs is firing in places it was hiring only last year

14:12 schestowitz-TR; people who sit on some savings are far better off

14:12 schestowitz-TR; because stress and uncertainty harrm helath

14:12 schestowitz-TR; and health too became "expensive"

14:12 schestowitz-TR; mortgage vs savinbgs vs kids

14:12 schestowitz-TR; imho, ime, many chose the first and last

14:12 schestowitz-TR; and not anything else

14:12 schestowitz-TR; iow, gambling on a future we will never have

14:12 schestowitz-TR; kids used to be a way for parents to insure their future (old age), not they're mostly a burden

14:13 schestowitz-TR; *now

14:16 schestowitz-TR; ---

14:16 schestowitz-TR; if you want to se a specialist fast, and a good one, you must pay

14:16 schestowitz-TR; "infortmally"

14:16 schestowitz-TR; the formal policy is that everyone has access

14:16 schestowitz-TR; removing national health care may mean short term "savings" in one's salary

14:16 schestowitz-TR; but russian roulette with one's health

14:16 schestowitz-TR; as costs of care rapidly grow like in USA

14:16 schestowitz-TR; more like price-fixing cartels

14:16 schestowitz-TR; see insulin

14:16 schestowitz-TR; sleepy did not solve the problem

14:16 schestowitz-TR; nor did he tackle patents on covid-19 stuff

14:16 schestowitz-TR; useless waste of time

14:16 schestowitz-TR; interlufe between two fascists or the same fascist

14:17 Techrights-sec; The US does not have health care, it has a medicine industry. Any treatment

14:17 Techrights-sec; is a mere side effect and almost an afterthought. The details of what and how

14:17 Techrights-sec; to treat "patients" are left up to MBAs and MDs are excluded from that for the

14:17 Techrights-sec; most part.

14:33 schestowitz-TR; I've tossed in a draft

14:33 schestowitz-TR; still getting some graphis and stuff

14:33 schestowitz-TR; to shown the "knowns"

14:33 schestowitz-TR; *show

14:33 schestowitz-TR; damning for the www imho

14:33 schestowitz-TR; and serves to show the death of www as info medium

14:34 schestowitz-TR; maybe "apps" are all the rage

14:34 Techrights-sec; checking

14:34 Techrights-sec; The last chart, the one with the blue peak in sites, could be analyzed more

14:34 Techrights-sec; because it is showing a rather important phenomenon

14:35 schestowitz-TR; yes, hence I share incomplete draft

14:35 schestowitz-TR; I've just added speculations to the text and fioxed loads of typos

14:35 Techrights-sec; "apps" are outdated, insecure, bug-ridden single-site browsers running

14:35 Techrights-sec; insecure, bug-ridden javascript over HTTPS and not even a stateful protocol

14:40 schestowitz-TR; random thought: maybe 20 years from now the skills associated with operating a web site will be similar to running bbs today

14:40 schestowitz-TR; but we don't know yet

14:48 schestowitz-TR; eff, fsf, and wikileaks very quiet and little impact

14:48 schestowitz-TR; cc bounced back for a month, went silent again

14:48 schestowitz-TR; maybe too busy in social control cages

14:49 Techrights-sec; https://thephantomtollbooth.fandom.com/wiki/The_Official_Senses-Taker

↺ https://thephantomtollbooth.fandom.com/wiki/The_Official_Senses-Taker

14:49 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thephantomtollbooth.fandom.com | The Official Senses-Taker | The Phantom Tollbooth Wiki | Fandom

14:58 schestowitz-TR; solid (ms github, JS) was a solid failure

14:58 schestowitz-TR; timbl is a one-trick pony

14:58 schestowitz-TR; right place, right time imho

14:58 schestowitz-TR; github will also be small 5 years from now

14:58 schestowitz-TR; they can't make money off it

14:59 Techrights-sec; Anyway social control media in a nutshell:

14:59 Techrights-sec; https://thephantomtollbooth.fandom.com/wiki/The_Official_Senses-Taker

↺ https://thephantomtollbooth.fandom.com/wiki/The_Official_Senses-Taker

14:59 Techrights-sec; timbl was great up until, for whatever reason, he bailed on the vision and

14:59 Techrights-sec; sold out to DRM


3 PM, October 11

15:01 schestowitz-TR; no, drm came much later than his sellout

15:01 schestowitz-TR; a continuation of a negative trend

15:01 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I wonder if it's the same pattern as eff (founders), lt, rms...

15:01 schestowitz-TR; how people are sucked out of their own orgs

15:01 schestowitz-TR; seemingly with their consent

15:01 schestowitz-TR; having been emotionally drained

15:01 schestowitz-TR; assange was an extremely case (torture/assassination)

15:01 schestowitz-TR; *extreme

15:05 schestowitz-TR; btw, opensource.org and .com are not coming back

15:05 schestowitz-TR; as microsoft outposts

15:05 schestowitz-TR; they alienate the original audience

15:05 schestowitz-TR; like linux.com

15:05 schestowitz-TR; brands coming under attack

15:05 schestowitz-TR; persistent and vicious

15:05 schestowitz-TR; to the point oof surrendering and... "you own us now"

15:05 schestowitz-TR; remember wikileaksforums (anti-WL) and trolls (MAGA< Russia) who spoiled the wikileaks brand

15:05 schestowitz-TR; making it seem like some edgy alt-reich/putin thing

15:05 schestowitz-TR; which is strange as upon examination of who runs it those are mostly leftists

15:07 schestowitz-TR; similarly, in the medical profession, many who ask for no patents or better vaccines or anothe rtreatment/plicy would be painted as nationalists and

15:07 schestowitz-TR; k00ky radicals who block roads with trucks and whatnot. bill gates has roped in this straw man.

15:15 Techrights-sec; ack

15:21 schestowitz; "[LSCTH] Slides info session rewards 2022 - Guidance document on contesting lack of promotion, steps, bonus"

15:21 schestowitz; "

15:21 schestowitz; Dear colleagues,

15:21 schestowitz; Please find the complete slides accompanying the information session on the 2022 rewards exercise which took place on September 13th. The slides can serve as a guide for future reference.

15:21 schestowitz; Related publications:

15:21 schestowitz; "

15:51 schestowitz-TR; draft

15:51 Techrights-sec; ack

15:51 Techrights-sec; s/mhe/the/

15:51 Techrights-sec; EPO? or EPO? Please expand the acronym

15:51 Techrights-sec; s/worki/work/

15:52 Techrights-sec; Please expand the acronnym EPC too


4 PM, October 11

16:03 schestowitz-TR; thought: apps are lile tabs that follow you around on a phone even when the tabs are not open ("apps" leak data all the time)

16:03 schestowitz-TR; china is the incubator of a lot of spy and social control INNOVA~1 fore western nations to imitat^H^Hpirate

16:04 schestowitz-TR; wrt law, cops and regimes become less predictable

16:04 schestowitz-TR; it's a form of deterrance

16:05 schestowitz-TR; the irrational dictator

16:05 schestowitz-TR; don't mess with him, he always gets his way, he's in power

16:05 schestowitz-TR; lots of prior art for today's GAFAM patents would have to be in china

16:05 schestowitz-TR; in mandarin

16:11 Techrights-sec; https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/covid-cases-rise-shanghai-other-chinese-cities-preventive-steps-strengthened-2022-10-11/

↺ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/covid-cases-rise-shanghai-other-chinese-cities-preventive-steps-strengthened-2022-10-11/

16:11 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-China steps up anti-COVID measures in megacities as infections mount | Reuters

16:12 schestowitz-TR; usuaually, you would say, haha, f* china

16:12 schestowitz-TR; but this will mostly penalise the west

16:12 schestowitz-TR; that's our "warehouse" and cheap labour pool

16:12 schestowitz-TR; so it further harms OUT economies

16:12 schestowitz-TR; *OUR

16:12 schestowitz-TR; unless you can get a factory down the road to make plastic items for one euro a pair and find a river stream onto which to dump the toxins

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17:59 schestowitz-TR; some idiot in $company wants to distribute "mobile phones" to staff for "security"

17:59 schestowitz-TR; what a circus

17:59 schestowitz-TR; passwords outsourced to firm in another continent, with trrack record of security breaches

17:59 schestowitz-TR; and many other laughable steps back

17:59 schestowitz-TR; from secure infra to GLFAM crap

17:59 schestowitz-TR; and now this...

17:59 Techrights-sec; ack


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9 PM, October 11

21:57 psydruid; https://web.archive.org/web/20221006113141/https://sei.cade.gov.br/sei/modulos/pesquisa/md_pesq_documento_consulta_externa.php?HJ7F4wnIPj2Y8B7Bj80h1lskjh7ohC8yMfhLoDBLddZou1UxFwR2xny_H8WpNqBA9LEUmxpnNJZhTSHmSvXvpffRtONbaxBeOzHPgm0V3c1aCdhWaTZo9OtUDTJX_L_7

↺ https://web.archive.org/web/20221006113141/https://sei.cade.gov.br/sei/modulos/pesquisa/md_pesq_documento_consulta_externa.php?HJ7F4wnIPj2Y8B7Bj80h1lskjh7ohC8yMfhLoDBLddZou1UxFwR2xny_H8WpNqBA9LEUmxpnNJZhTSHmSvXvpffRtONbaxBeOzHPgm0V3c1aCdhWaTZo9OtUDTJX_L_7

21:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | SEI/CADE - 1128655 - Parecer

21:58 psydruid; Microsoft the gaming company is said to be earning $3 billion a year on Xbox console games


10 PM, October 11

22:00 schestowitz-TR; revenue or profit?

22:01 schestowitz-TR; xbox was losses

22:01 schestowitz-TR; maybe they game the numbersa

22:01 schestowitz-TR; and count the share of other companies

22:01 schestowitz-TR; like those actually making the games

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22:18 psydruid; it's not clear

22:18 schestowitz-TR; probably by intention

22:18 schestowitz-TR; xbox has been an experiment and failure

22:18 psydruid; and I'm not going to read that entire filing

22:19 schestowitz-TR; I used to write about it regularly

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22:19 schestowitz-TR; they kept lying about market performance

22:19 schestowitz-TR; profits went to the japanese companies

22:19 schestowitz-TR; for instance

22:19 schestowitz-TR; it can go like

22:19 schestowitz-TR; xbox network made 3 billion in revenue

22:20 schestowitz-TR; and then the money got distributed

22:20 schestowitz-TR; 60% to developers of the games

22:20 schestowitz-TR; 60% to salaries

22:20 schestowitz-TR; i.e. net loss

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22:20 schestowitz-TR; they will try to tell you what THEY want you to think

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22:27 psydruid; there was some other "news" about a collaboration with Suckermeta

22:27 psydruid; they are like a parasite that moves from host to host doing whatever to stay in business

22:28 psydruid; if the software business fails they move to new hypes

22:28 schestowitz-TR; failing that, liaise with NSA, ask for bailouts etc.

22:28 schestowitz-TR; basically try to become part of the government

22:28 schestowitz-TR; so they keep you afloat like Big Banks

22:28 schestowitz-TR; with medical data

22:28 schestowitz-TR; military stuff

22:28 schestowitz-TR; (that's IBM, too)

22:28 schestowitz-TR; Windows sales collapsed

22:28 psydruid; I don't know if such a chameleon has existed in the computer business before other than their big example IBM

22:28 schestowitz-TR; as the sales are like 90% "new" PCs

22:28 schestowitz-TR; and now many people buy such PCs

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22:44 psydruid; Vista 12 is coming while Vista 11 is barely seeing any use

22:45 psydruid; they see the writing on the wall and struggle for survival

22:46 psydruid; so get entangled and try to become "mission-critical"


11 PM, October 11

23:09 schestowitz-TR; yeah

23:09 schestowitz-TR; "Too big to fail"

23:11 schestowitz-TR; just checked taiwan and india

23:11 schestowitz-TR; in india android is now 75%

23:12 schestowitz-TR; windows 17%


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