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00:00 HMS; SMART CURTAINS use BSB?
00:00 bnchs; HMS: yes and is there an ISO without nvidia drivers
00:00 bnchs; in case you don't agree with their EULA
00:00 kingoffrance; MinceR, whats the difference between a "state" and "nation" and "people" ? it just reads "abolish all people"
00:00 TR News; Go further. Delete WINDOWS, too. Neither ever defended anything except Microsoft and the NSA. https://www.maketecheasier.com/permanently-disable-windows-defender-windows-10/ see http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/microsoft-defender/
00:00 TR Bot; How to Permanently Disable Windows Defender in Windows - Make Tech Easier
00:00 TR Bot; Microsoft Defender Pretender Attacks Random Software That Uses NSIS for installation; Super Duper Secure Mode for Edge is a Laugh | Techrights
00:00 XRevan86; MinceR: Biely-Siniy-Biely and Biely-Chervony-Biely
00:01 MinceR; :)
00:01 MinceR; kingoffrance: state is an organization for the oppression of people; nation is an excuse to unite a bunch of people to make them gang up on another bunch of people for the benefit of the former group's oppressors
00:01 MinceR; kingoffrance: people is the plural of person
00:01 HMS; don't agree with any their EULA i just press next
00:02 kingoffrance; sure, so how does abolish "states" or "nations" get rid of that? people will just do that again
00:02 kingoffrance; as they did the first time
00:02 kingoffrance; it is just a change of people, nothing more
00:02 kingoffrance; *change of oppressors
00:03 MinceR; people will need to stop believing that it is right for some people to own/rule other people
00:03 MinceR; that notion has to go
00:03 kingoffrance; there goes parenthood
00:03 MinceR; do parents own someone?
00:03 kingoffrance; who is responsible for children?
00:03 MinceR; if that is what parenthood means, then yes, parenthood needs to go too
00:03 MinceR; it's shared responsibility
00:03 XRevan86; MinceR: That's a bit of an overkill.
00:03 kingoffrance; oh, so shared ownership
00:03 MinceR; no, that's not ownership
00:04 kingoffrance; because its shared?
00:04 MinceR; the only one who should own a particular person is that person
00:04 HMS; shared responsibility
00:04 kingoffrance; so where is the line between own and responsibility?
00:04 HMS; that what MinceR typed
00:04 kingoffrance; yes, and its nonsense
00:04 kingoffrance; responsibility is based on ownership
00:05 MinceR; it's a pretty thick line
00:05 MinceR; no, it is not
00:05 kingoffrance; oh really?
00:05 XRevan86; I for one would rather focus on dictators than on parenthood.
00:06 MinceR; so would i
00:06 MinceR; but kingoffrance wants to sire children and own them
00:06 kingoffrance; "the only one who should own a particular person is that person" so i pop out 20 kids and they all grow up murderers. where is the responsiblity here? who is resposnible?
00:06 DaemonFC; One way to play through Fallout games is by making your character really stupid. It frees up points to use on other attributes and leads to funny dialog.
00:06 MinceR; being responsible for the wellbeing of your kids is not the same as being entitled to tell your kids what to do 24/7, until they die
00:07 kingoffrance; noone claimed that
00:07 XRevan86; Dictators. Parents. Fallout.
00:07 kingoffrance; lol
00:07 MinceR; that's what owning people means
00:07 kingoffrance; thats what you caricature means
00:07 MinceR; it's slavery
00:07 DaemonFC; MinceR, I see Orban's party got two-thirds of the seats with about half the vote.
00:07 HMS; better lucky then smart
00:07 DaemonFC; Democracy!
00:07 MinceR; but yeah, i know that slavery is "hip" and "cool" and "modern" and "edgy" and "based" now
00:07 DaemonFC; I'd recognize it anywhere!
00:07 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Oh, did they learn from Russia?
00:08 MinceR; DaemonFC: yeah, they wrote the rules so it does that
00:08 DaemonFC; Or Indiana.
00:08 kingoffrance; if responsibility is not based on ownership, then how is responsibility distributed?
00:08 XRevan86; MinceR: So, I have a question :)
00:08 MinceR; DaemonFC: last time they got 2/3 of the seats with something like 48.5% of the votes
00:08 MinceR; so they didn't even have a majority and their rules turned it into a supermajority
00:08 DaemonFC; Well, they set a 5% threshold to get any seats at all.
00:08 kingoffrance; your scheme has implicit "someone owns everything and allocates responsibility"
00:08 MinceR; kingoffrance: typically both parents and the child itself would be responsible for the child
00:09 kingoffrance; but thats not ownership?
00:09 DaemonFC; So a bunch of minor parties can come along ang get tens of thousands of votes and no seats.
00:09 MinceR; no, my scheme has implicit "everyone owns themselves"
00:09 DaemonFC; That helps a bit.
00:09 MinceR; s/im/ex/
00:09 XRevan86; MinceR: Does Hungary have a system where when a small party doesn't have enough of a percentage their percentage will be shared between the passing parties relative to their percentages?
00:09 MinceR; XRevan86: something like that
00:09 XRevan86; MinceR: Learnt from the best.
00:09 MinceR; this percentage threshold bullshit seems to be popular
00:10 kingoffrance; lets ask this then: do people own what they create?
00:10 DaemonFC; Oh it's even better in some US states.
00:10 XRevan86; That's one of the mechanisms that United Russia used to dominate.
00:10 kingoffrance; because its either parents made a child or "god" did
00:10 DaemonFC; To maintain ballot access, you have to get enough votes in the previous election.
00:10 DaemonFC; Or your party reverts to "write in" candidates.
00:10 MinceR; kingoffrance: reproduction is not creation
00:10 MinceR; kingoffrance: seriously, it's not a challenging thing to do
00:10 XRevan86; MinceR: I predict Hungary a great future if it ever decides to secede.
00:10 MinceR; even bacteria can do it
00:10 MinceR; hell, even fideath voters can do it
00:11 DaemonFC; The illusion that someone who isn't a Democrat or Republican could win is important.
00:11 MinceR; XRevan86: i don't see much of a future for hungary
00:11 kingoffrance; sure, we are estabilish title/ownership -- so "God" owns everything in your system, only they can "create" anything
00:11 XRevan86; MinceR: A special military operation to de-Nazi-fy Finland maybe.
00:11 MinceR; especially if orban keeps supporting putler
00:11 DaemonFC; It lets them say you have options and third party candidates just lose because nobody likes them.
00:11 XRevan86; MinceR: Ye misunderstood.
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00:11 MinceR; kingoffrance: there is no "God" in my system
00:12 MinceR; actual property can be owned by whoever
00:12 DaemonFC; Lisa Murkowski was the first Senator to win a seat in a write in campaign in almost a century after the Republicans rigged the system to primary her.
00:12 MinceR; people can be owned by themselves and nobody else
00:12 MinceR; PII can be owned the people it's about
00:12 kingoffrance; ok, what rights do people have? and are those property they own or not?
00:12 MinceR; other information can't be owned
00:12 kingoffrance; since there is no state, who allocates "rights"
00:12 DaemonFC; Then instead of taking revenge by just declaring she was an Independent Senator and refusing to vote them into the majority, she acted like nothing had happened and rejoined them.
00:12 MinceR; you don't need a state to have rights
00:13 kingoffrance; sure, but didnt answer my question
00:13 MinceR; this has been discussed to great depth already
00:13 MinceR; i can't give you an exhaustive list of human rights
00:13 kingoffrance; ok, so a gang of oppressors decided what "rights" people have, same as prior system, but this one is not a "state"
00:13 DaemonFC; MinceR, I'd just become an Independent Senator and refuse to vote for Leadership for the rest of the time I was in there.
00:13 kingoffrance; its just bait and switch word games
00:14 MinceR; kingoffrance: pretty sure it was not a gang of oppressors
00:14 kingoffrance; theres no state, so who decides who is an "oppressor" or not?
00:14 DaemonFC; They don't want her there because she votes for the Democrat bills about 40% of the time.
00:14 MinceR; how would having a state help decide that anyway?
00:15 DaemonFC; The state has to pass laws saying what you can do.
00:15 kingoffrance; it just sounds like a theocracy. only "god" can create things (but we wont call it "god"). some random group of random people decide what rights you have, but you cant see them
00:15 DaemonFC; That way you have rights.
00:15 DaemonFC; How would you have those rights if there wasn't anything stopping you in the first place?
00:15 DaemonFC; For God's sake, get some perspective, man.
00:16 MinceR; kingoffrance: you're the one going on about "god"
00:16 DaemonFC; We need the state to give us rights it took away to begin with.
00:16 kingoffrance; MinceR, youre the one who said people cannot create anything
00:16 MinceR; and how would you even see rights?
00:16 MinceR; no, i didn't say that
00:16 MinceR; i said that reproduction isn't creation
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00:16 kingoffrance; ok, so what is and isnt creation?
00:16 MinceR; go read a dictionary
00:16 kingoffrance; i build a house -- reproductino or creation?
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00:17 kingoffrance; your system is like rust -- unspecified moving target
00:17 kingoffrance; the only standard is in your head
00:17 kingoffrance; "god" lol
00:17 MinceR; sorry, if you don't even know what reproduction is, i don't think we can have a real debate about the state
00:18 kingoffrance; if you dont know what "state" means likewise
00:18 TR News; Linux on Mobile - Weekly Update (14/2022): Maui Shell Alpha, Mobian goes Tow-Boot, Suspend on the Librem 5 and AVMultiPhone is back! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163523
00:18 TR Bot; Linux on Mobile - Weekly Update (14/2022): Maui Shell Alpha, Mobian goes Tow-Boot, Suspend on the Librem 5 and AVMultiPhone is back! | Tux Machines
00:18 kingoffrance; or "nation"
00:18 kingoffrance; or "person" for that matter
00:27 kingoffrance; a person is a persona. you implicitly already went "religious" by claiming people have souls and are just personas
00:28 bnchs; uhhh what ahppened
00:29 kingoffrance; confusion of tongues, same as always
00:29 kingoffrance; why there will never be any "law"
00:32 kingoffrance; the other question this doesnt deal with: which personas are allowed? this determines who has what rights
00:32 kingoffrance; we already went beyond 'human rights" because you were discussing "parents" and "children"
00:33 kingoffrance; so "human rights" does not cover everything, there are other "personas" besides "human"
00:36 TR News; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163524
00:36 TR Bot; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
00:37 kingoffrance; so, the only remaining thing to do is enumerate all the types of "persons" and "titles" for this feudalistic system
00:37 TR News; "EVGA said it only received about two dozen dead RTX 3090s that has failed from playing the New World beta. EVGA sent replacement RTX 3090s to affected gamers after the story broke, and didn't wait for the failed cards to be returned first," gemini://galaxyhub.uk/articles/evga-3090s.gmi
00:38 bnchs; lol
00:38 bnchs; imagine having a game so unoptimized
00:38 bnchs; that it straight out fries GPUs
00:38 TR News; PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.8 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163525
00:38 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.8 Released | Tux Machines
00:39 HMS; GPUs without good cooling
00:39 HMS; they are supposed to last 1 years
00:40 bnchs; oh your GPU got fried because of my game
00:40 bnchs; just buy a new GPU dumbass
00:40 HMS; https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/rtby98/rtx_3080ti_copper_mod_temps_dropped_from_88c_to/
00:40 TR Bot; RTX 3080Ti copper mod temps dropped from 88C to 70C : nvidia
00:42 HMS; maybe some copper plates are more expensive that silicon
00:43 TR News; EndeavourOS Apollo brings massive improvements to the Calamares installer and introduces a new X11-based window manager. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163515#comment-33310
00:43 TR Bot; EndeavourOS Apollo Lands with Worm WM, Improved Installation Experience, and More | Tux Machines
00:43 HMS; https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/rzfmdk/update_3080ti_copper_mod_ver_20/
00:43 TR Bot; [Update] 3080Ti Copper Mod Ver 2.0 : nvidia
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00:45 MinceR; imagine a gpu so poorly designed that it burns itself
00:46 *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
00:46 bnchs__; thats nvidia for you
00:46 bnchs__; gpu poorly designed, they cause housefires
00:49 HMS; https://www.tomshardware.com/news/miniature-windows-on-arm-desktop-launched
00:49 TR Bot; Mini Windows on Arm Desktop PC Launches at $229 | Tom's Hardware
00:50 HMS; One of the unit's main features is an integrated 4G modem
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00:50 HMS; MS is droping x86 !
00:51 DaemonFC; I call it x86-32.
00:52 *bnchs (~bnchs@26z5z5hkszp4n.irc) has joined #techrights
00:52 DaemonFC; Most people call it IA-32 where there's a distinction, but then they call AMD64 "x86-64" or worse, "x64".
00:52 TR News; Data Crow and OpenDocMan in Review Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163526
00:52 TR Bot; Data Crow and OpenDocMan in Review | Tux Machines
00:52 kingoffrance; https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights the only known "human rights" involve "states" and "nations"
00:52 TR Bot; Universal Declaration of Human Rights | United Nations
00:52 HMS; There is a catch, though, as noted by Liliputing. While the system comes with Windows 11 pre-installed, that version of the OS is not licensed
00:53 DaemonFC; So to avoide awkwardness, I say x86-32 and x86-64.
00:53 kingoffrance; These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
00:53 DaemonFC; That way we know, it's x86, and 32-bit or 64-bit x86.
00:53 kingoffrance; so yet to see any "stateless" "nationless" "consent of the governed" version of "human rights"
00:53 HMS; but can it run linux?
00:53 kingoffrance; just another "gang of oppressors"
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00:56 kingoffrance; Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs <-- and we see "persons" belong to countries or territories
00:56 kingoffrance; there are no "stateless" persons, does not exist
00:57 kingoffrance; thank you, good night
00:57 kingoffrance; brotherhood of man too, is the state religion for this scheme
00:58 schestowitz-TR; brotherhood of man?
00:58 schestowitz-TR; "kisses for me?"
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00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.83 k/sec., IPFS upstream 40.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 441.18
00:59 kingoffrance; lol
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00:59 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OW1JJwqVRQ
00:59 TR Bot; https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=6OW1JJwqVRQ
00:59 TR Bot; invidious.namazso.eu | Brotherhood Of Man - Save Your Kisses For Me TopPop - Invidious
01:02 MinceR; ah yes, "state religion" is very applicable to something with no state nor religion
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01:04 HMS; NEW KERNAL!
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01:05 MinceR; c64?
01:05 HMS; 5.15.33
01:05 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163527
01:05 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
01:05 schestowitz-TR; KER NAL pointer
01:06 HMS; i hope it fix the reboot instead of shutsown thing
01:07 HMS; i type poweroff and the stupid thing reboots instead
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01:09 TR News; Games: War Thunder and HYPERCHARGE: Unboxed Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163528
01:09 TR Bot; Games: War Thunder and HYPERCHARGE: Unboxed | Tux Machines
01:10 kingoffrance; MinceR, so do you have some other "human rights" that has stateless persons, and does not require everyone be of the same "father god" ?
01:10 kingoffrance; you have yet to present any evidence for your scheme
01:12 TR News; Links 08/04/2022: EndeavourOS Apollo and Wine 7.6 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/08/endeavouros-apollo/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/08/endeavouros-apollo/
01:12 TR Bot; Links 08/04/2022: EndeavourOS Apollo and Wine 7.6 | Techrights
01:13 MinceR; kingoffrance: sorry, i don't have time for your trolling
01:15 bnchs__; schestowitz-TR, i'll tell you something
01:15 bnchs__; did you know that smart TVs are hardcoded to listen on bluetooth
01:15 bnchs__; and there's no setting to disable it
01:15 schestowitz-TR; yeah
01:16 schestowitz-TR; worse
01:16 schestowitz-TR; it's worse than you know
01:16 schestowitz-TR; Vault 7 shows some exploits (not code) for the Samsung ones
01:16 schestowitz-TR; the basic requirments are not steep
01:16 kingoffrance; MinceR, so your law is a religion in your head, got it
01:17 bnchs__; i mean it's a security risk
01:17 bnchs__; the TV is always publicly listening on bluetooth
01:17 bnchs__; even when it's "off"
01:17 bnchs__; the only way is to pull the plug
01:17 psydruid; a tablet is a large smartphone and a smart TV is a huge smartphone
01:18 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: even them
01:18 psydruid; everything is becoming a smartphone
01:18 schestowitz-TR; 1) it can run on capacitor perhaps
01:18 schestowitz-TR; maybe future models
01:18 schestowitz-TR; 2) it has access to microsoft
01:18 schestowitz-TR; 3) it has sorage capacity, so can record while offline, transmit later
01:18 schestowitz-TR; 4) the software can be modified remoately just for you
01:19 schestowitz-TR; in case of you being "person of interest"; you would not even know
01:19 schestowitz-TR; typo
01:19 schestowitz-TR; I means microphone, not micosoft
01:19 bnchs__; my dad buys shit like smart TVs
01:19 schestowitz-TR; in the future we can call the company MicroPhone
01:19 bnchs__; even after knowing that it's full of buzzwords
01:19 schestowitz-TR; because it phones home
01:19 schestowitz-TR; afaik, "cortana" is dying
01:20 schestowitz-TR; they failed against amazon, gulag, and rotten
01:20 schestowitz-TR; so sort of pull the plug
01:21 schestowitz-TR; psydruid:
01:21 schestowitz-TR; [01:18] <psydruid> everything is becoming a smartphone
01:21 schestowitz-TR; we discussed this hours ago
01:21 schestowitz-TR; it's an archetype for them
01:21 schestowitz-TR; "sideloading"
01:21 schestowitz-TR; like, on your laptop too
01:21 schestowitz-TR; "sigstore"
01:21 bnchs__; "sideloading"
01:21 schestowitz-TR; and they see how far they can get with bad agenda
01:21 bnchs__; schestowitz-TR, did you know
01:21 bnchs__; LG smart TVs are easily crackable
01:21 schestowitz-TR; but we must push back
01:21 schestowitz-TR; our arguments are vastly better
01:22 bnchs__; no seriously
01:22 schestowitz-TR; we don't have marketing budget
01:22 bnchs__; you can get cracked with just one website
01:22 bnchs__; a rootkit installed
01:22 schestowitz-TR; but some companies can benefit from being "countercorruent" to that
01:22 schestowitz-TR; like a car company which advertises, "we are NOT smart"
01:22 schestowitz-TR; "our car does NOT track you"
01:22 bnchs__; and the problem is most of the smart TVs are connected to the internet
01:22 bnchs__; so a smart TV is a black box
01:22 bnchs__; and a security nightmare
01:23 schestowitz-TR; those can sell well and they can advertise by cautioning about what OTHER cars do
01:23 schestowitz-TR; all moden TVs are blackboxes/denyboxes
01:23 schestowitz-TR; even decades-old TVs
01:23 bnchs__; yes
01:23 schestowitz-TR; but the current ones are worse
01:23 schestowitz-TR; because they can remoately modify them
01:23 bnchs__; decade old TVs didn't connect to the internet
01:23 schestowitz-TR; even "just for you"
01:23 bnchs__; and turned off when you turn it off
01:23 bnchs__; but the current ones are security nightmare
01:24 schestowitz-TR; you can barelyt reverse0-engineer them,
01:24 schestowitz-TR; even self-gratifying tinkerers like mjg59_
01:24 schestowitz-TR; because they're too complex
01:24 schestowitz-TR; too many moving parts
01:24 schestowitz-TR; so you're never too sure what those encrypted packkets the TV sends overnight actually have in them
01:24 schestowitz-TR; microphone recordings?
01:24 schestowitz-TR; cam footage?
01:24 schestowitz-TR; God knows!
01:25 bnchs__; the problem is
01:25 schestowitz-TR; and maybe they ship you an update that does both 24/7
01:25 bnchs__; decades old dumb TVs can't do shit
01:25 bnchs__; other than show something on the screen
01:25 bnchs__; and thats it
01:25 schestowitz-TR; and when you try to prove it the TV suddenly falls back onto older firmware
01:25 schestowitz-TR; to hide what it did
01:25 bnchs__; current TVs are security blackholes
01:25 schestowitz-TR; covering up
01:25 bnchs__; security blackboxes*
01:26 schestowitz-TR; "bitch please!!! DENYboxes"
01:26 bnchs__; tbh my room has a dumb tv connected to a satellite decoder box
01:26 schestowitz-TR; this is NOT a statement against tech BTW
01:27 schestowitz-TR; that would be a straw man
01:27 schestowitz-TR; I am surreounded by 5 webcams at the moment
01:27 schestowitz-TR; but all except two are covered in tape
01:27 schestowitz-TR; the ones I do not use
01:27 bnchs__; i always hated smart TVs from day one
01:28 schestowitz-TR; here isa trick question
01:28 schestowitz-TR; what was the first smart tv?
01:28 schestowitz-TR; or
01:28 schestowitz-TR; when did it start?
01:28 schestowitz-TR; (spoiler: it's just a buzzword, same for "phones")
01:28 bnchs__; samsung?
01:29 schestowitz-TR; clown computing also
01:29 schestowitz-TR; those are neblous terms
01:29 schestowitz-TR; like DevOps
01:29 schestowitz-TR; nobody can even consistently defne them
01:29 schestowitz-TR; I was tol
01:29 schestowitz-TR; hypePhone was first smartphonew
01:29 schestowitz-TR; why?
01:29 schestowitz-TR; you could add software to it
01:29 schestowitz-TR; but PalmOS could do this way before 2007
01:30 schestowitz-TR; so we sadly exist in an industry now dominated by bullish, marketing, and revisionism
01:30 schestowitz-TR; which are all of the same
01:30 schestowitz-TR; my stance
01:30 schestowitz-TR; reject the buzzwords
01:31 schestowitz-TR; either slant them
01:31 schestowitz-TR; with humour
01:31 schestowitz-TR; or bypass them with clearer explanation of what goes on
01:31 schestowitz-TR; MinceR says crApp iirc
01:31 schestowitz-TR; I think that's grand
01:31 schestowitz-TR; because a lots of software was a lot better
01:31 schestowitz-TR; than it turned into crap
01:31 schestowitz-TR; and then crApp
01:32 schestowitz-TR; same but with hardly any options, no keyboard, no mouse, just back button
01:32 schestowitz-TR; and they call that progress
01:32 schestowitz-TR; we did some memes about that
01:33 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/7-screen-laptop.jpg
01:33 schestowitz; expensive
01:33 schestowitz; phoronix: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/phoronix-setup.jpg
01:34 schestowitz; My older setup http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/techrights-desk.jpg
01:35 schestowitz; you cannot get much done with a "crApp"
01:38 TR News; Dirk Eddelbuettel: RcppEigen 0.3.3.9.2 on CRAN: Maintenance http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2022/04/08#rcppeigen_0.3.3.9.2
01:38 TR Bot; Thinking inside the box
01:39 schestowitz-TR; to figure out what "smart" TVs really do we need eithger
01:39 schestowitz-TR; 1) whistleblower
01:39 schestowitz-TR; 2) seecurity breach
01:39 kingoffrance; https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/un-conventions-on-statelessness.html here's a good one. "human rights" include a "right to a nationality" even under un-speak
01:39 Alternative link; CloudFlare: unhcr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/un-conventions-on-statelessness.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/un-conventions-on-statelessness.html
01:39 TR Bot; UNHCR- UN Conventions on Statelessness
01:39 schestowitz-TR; either way, leaks info on what the TV side and server side are really doing
01:39 kingoffrance; so MinceR does some "human rights" when he feels like it
01:40 kingoffrance; flip a coin to see which ones he honours
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01:41 TR News; Even ICBM Red Hat employees don't use Red Hat OSes! "Our base operating system for this install is Ubuntu 20.04." http://adam.younglogic.com/2022/04/bifrost-spike-on-an-ampere-altramax/
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01:42 schestowitz-TR; if someone has spare time
01:42 schestowitz-TR; issue worth investigating:
01:42 schestowitz-TR; what army/gov contracts ICBM (IBM) has:
01:42 schestowitz-TR; pertaining to nuclear simulations
01:42 schestowitz-TR; the HPC stuff
01:43 schestowitz-TR; and to arsenal of nukes
01:43 schestowitz-TR; inc. inventories and on-missile systems
01:43 schestowitz-TR; obv. those are not widely advertised
01:43 schestowitz-TR; quite confidential
01:43 schestowitz-TR; they still used floppy disks 3 years ago
01:43 MinceR; it must suck for kingoffrance to live in an alternative universe where the enlightenment never happened
01:43 schestowitz-TR; the very very large floppies
01:43 schestowitz-TR; if you can find info, share here
01:43 schestowitz-TR; the term "ICBM" goes a long way for IBM...
01:44 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: he and activelow speak a lot of religion
01:44 schestowitz-TR; activelow tends to make some stuff up
01:45 kingoffrance; i dont deny enlightenment. that is why i dont believe in masonry "brotherhood of man" or UN or trump state religion
01:45 kingoffrance; bait and switch is not enlightenment
01:45 schestowitz-TR; UN is very inconsistent
01:45 kingoffrance; neither is novus ordo seclorum
01:45 schestowitz-TR; it's like a disabled little brother
01:45 schestowitz-TR; you don't bash it too much
01:45 schestowitz-TR; but you do not take it so seriously either
01:45 schestowitz-TR; UN gave us WIPO
01:45 kingoffrance; well i see stateless persons have less "human rights" than people with "nationality"
01:46 schestowitz-TR; and WHO controlled by corrupting forces
01:46 kingoffrance; so MinceR is offering you the lessser "human rights"
01:46 schestowitz-TR; when I see .int domain I go, "OK, what does Saudi Arabia and 'other nation' tell us?"
01:46 schestowitz-TR; kingoffrance: it's not a privilege
01:46 schestowitz-TR; being a member of some nations is bad karma
01:47 schestowitz-TR; and a stain on one's forehead
01:47 kingoffrance; fair, but he has yet to show any "human rights" definition he goes by
01:47 schestowitz-TR; they might be better off stateless
01:47 schestowitz-TR; it would also help asylum application
01:47 kingoffrance; if not "universal declaration" then where are those supposed "human rights" ?
01:47 schestowitz-TR; tbh, MinceR should be somewhere better
01:48 schestowitz-TR; .hu has been drained out of what was there in the age of the austria-hungary alliance
01:48 MinceR; i haven't written my own formalized declaration of human rights
01:48 schestowitz-TR; it used to be a very powerful nation
01:48 kingoffrance; ok, thank you
01:48 schestowitz-TR; now it's like a jester to the EU
01:48 schestowitz-TR; and to Putin
01:48 MinceR; if i had done that, i'm sure it would miss some important elements
01:48 schestowitz-TR; nazi germany renderede many people stateless
01:48 schestowitz-TR; un came after that
01:49 schestowitz-TR; maybe with insights gathered from 50+ million dead humans
01:49 *schestowitz-TR checks how many hungarians died in the way
01:50 schestowitz; 200k
01:50 schestowitz; according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
01:50 TR Bot; World War II casualties - Wikipedia
01:50 kingoffrance; funny somewhere still does maxims https://law.justia.com/codes/california/2010/civ/3509-3548.html That which does not appear to exist is to be regarded as if it did not exist well i'm glad we reached an understanding
01:50 TR Bot; Part 4. Maxims Of Jurisprudence :: Civil Code :: 2010 California Code :: California Code :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia
01:50 schestowitz; that's just military
01:50 schestowitz; about half a million otherwise
01:51 schestowitz; so about 5% of the nation's population
01:51 activelow; nation states with a constitution are a modern advancement; preceeding Nazi germany and the Russian Revolution it was almost always feudalist ruling supported by the church
01:51 activelow; that's why the argument "nazi germany renderede many people stateless" is not plausible
01:52 schestowitz; Tmas Stark. Hungary's Human Losses in World War II. Uppsala Univ. 1995 ISBN 91-86624-21-0 p.59
01:52 kingoffrance; enlightenment is also a major reason i dont trust sov citizens, they want 10 commandments and the trucker rebellion too apparently. bait and switch
01:55 activelow; btw. the concept of "Nation Building" is associated with Carl Schmitt - _the_ leading Nazi lawyer
01:55 kingoffrance; lol interesting
01:55 TR News; Fully awful system. Nobody in the world envies the US tax system and health [sic] care [sic] system https://www.marketwatch.com/story/an-estimated-70-of-taxpayers-could-file-their-taxes-for-free-but-far-fewer-do-heres-why-11649198684
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01:56 schestowitz-TR; activelow: well, they only destroyed nations
01:56 schestowitz-TR; inc. their own at the end
01:56 schestowitz-TR; berlin in rubble
01:57 activelow; destroyed when? i consider the final stroke being 1990 and the "re-unification"
01:57 activelow; preceeding this cornerstone of history, germany at least retained it's currency, the Pfennig and the Mark
01:57 schestowitz-TR; you oppose that, don't you?
01:57 schestowitz-TR; you want east germany back
01:57 schestowitz-TR; and east berlin
01:57 activelow; no, i say "re-unification" is a misnomer, a propganda lie
01:57 activelow; it never has been a "re-unification"
01:58 schestowitz-TR; korea need to sort something out too
01:58 schestowitz-TR; their war never officially ended
01:58 activelow; i won't comment on Korea, because i do _not_ know anything about their own _internal_ affairs
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01:59 schestowitz-TR; US took one side, along with UN and allies
01:59 schestowitz-TR; china and soviets took another
01:59 schestowitz-TR; ended up with dmz
01:59 schestowitz-TR; after japan fell
02:00 TR News; There's hardly such a thing sadly. Pink unicorns. We need to use less energy. There needs to be less of "we". https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/energy-markets/a-deeper-dive-into-24-7-carbon-free-energy
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02:03 kingoffrance; "That which does not appear to exist is to be regarded as if it did not exist " that is one of the greatest maxims, because it rules out "ineffable" "god" and any 2nd coming (hasnt arrived yet)
02:03 matey; "Linux is granted until the boomers die. The next generation of programmers won't touch the Linux kernel because of GPL. I guess this is the biggest problem with GNU/Linux. You can't change it because then you've to ask all developers who introduced changes to the Linux kernel."
02:03 matey; or...
02:03 TR News; Serial GPL violator VMware is trying to 'lecture' us on copyleft just months after starting an anti-Linux FUD campaign https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/VMWARE-INC-58476/news/VMware-Open-Source-License-Compliance-and-Why-It-Matters-39983970/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/13/vmware-epic-fud/
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02:03 matey; only people who give a shit about you being able to reuse the code can fuck with it (which doesnt eliminate, but it cuts down on the number of people fucking with it)
02:04 matey; of course theres another way to do this too: make the kernel too tight for fuckers to want anything to do with it
02:04 matey; and then dont support whatever shit they want to do with it
02:04 matey; theres no law that says you have to accept kernel patches you dont want
02:04 TR News; VMware became so malicious this past year that even Dirk Hondahl, their damage-controlling spinner, resigned http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware
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02:05 matey; "The next generation of programmers won't touch the Linux kernel because of GPL" <- that isnt why
02:05 matey; the next generation of programmers wont bother with linux because it will be unusable
02:06 matey; because of fuckery by the same people who said they wouldnt touch it because gpl
02:06 kingoffrance; when ppl start making "generation" based arguments i kind of tune out lol
02:06 schestowitz-TR; matey: but rust !!
02:06 matey; when ppl start making "generation" based arguments i kind of tune out lol <- every generation makes the same ones
02:06 kingoffrance; :)
02:06 matey; but rust !! <- that why it wont be usable
02:07 kingoffrance; it tells me they probably dont have a good reason
02:07 schestowitz-TR; install 400mb of garbage
02:07 schestowitz-TR; just to get started
02:07 TR News; Raspberry Pi OS updated based on Debian Bullseye http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163489#comment-33311
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02:07 matey; /me loves the quote from plato where he talks about "the youth of today" and it could have been written in the mid-20th century
02:07 schestowitz-TR; maybe soon they'll ask all kernel hackers to create a microsoft account
02:08 schestowitz-TR; and push "PRs" into MS GitHub
02:08 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft tried that years ago
02:08 schestowitz-TR; it didn't go well
02:08 schestowitz-TR; some hackers sent me emails
02:08 schestowitz-TR; raising alarm
02:08 matey; i mean its a full paragraph rant, and it wouldnt be out of place more than a thousand years later
02:08 kingoffrance; thats another way enlightnment was stabbed in the back "the new atlantis"
02:08 schestowitz-TR; but they did push rust
02:08 schestowitz-TR; that's ms github
02:08 matey; /me has only heard of the original atlantis
02:08 schestowitz-TR; so they're halfway there
02:08 schestowitz-TR; kernel.org is still self-hosted
02:08 schestowitz-TR; but the dev toolchain is not (fully)
02:09 schestowitz-TR; it's like putin wantin kiev (Linux)
02:09 schestowitz-TR; but for now he settles for cities and towns around the coveted treasure
02:09 schestowitz-TR; and linus' head
02:09 schestowitz-TR; Zilinsky
02:09 schestowitz-TR; (spelling)
02:09 schestowitz-TR; github rounding up gnu
02:10 schestowitz-TR; next target: kernel.org
02:10 schestowitz-TR; 2015: microsoft loves linux
02:10 schestowitz-TR; 2025: microsoft controls linux
02:10 schestowitz-TR; IF they succeed
02:11 MinceR; 2035: there is no linux
02:12 schestowitz-TR; probably
02:12 schestowitz-TR; just in time for 2038
02:12 schestowitz-TR; problem solved
02:12 matey; /me thought they already solved 2038
02:12 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: there's also no putin
02:12 schestowitz-TR; unless he turns 82/83
02:12 MinceR; he'll have a successor, probably
02:12 schestowitz-TR; bunker bitch trump would be almost 90
02:12 matey; /me can see putin lasting as long as cheney unless you know...
02:12 MinceR; unless we all die in a nuclear apocalypse
02:12 MinceR; which is still better than living in russia
02:13 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: orban's naturalisatioin application is processed
02:13 bnchs__; can't wait for rust to be a failure
02:13 MinceR; orban might not live until 2035 either
02:13 schestowitz-TR; [02:12] <matey> /me thought they already solved 2038
02:13 schestowitz-TR; not for older embedded systems
02:13 bnchs__; can't even implement a linked list without the borrow checker being a bitch
02:13 schestowitz-TR; some can last another 15 years
02:13 matey; oh of course, those will fall over i guess
02:14 matey; out of the sky
02:14 MinceR; make the borrow checker _your_ bitch
02:14 matey; drop out of orbit
02:14 bnchs__; MinceR: that's bad
02:14 bnchs__; just use C
02:14 schestowitz-TR; fall out of orban
02:14 matey; 2038: the year we have to put all the satellites back up
02:14 matey; "my gps isnt working"
02:14 MinceR; just switch to 64bit satellites
02:14 matey; "yeah neither is the electrical grid"
02:14 bnchs__; i mean how can a simple concept like linked list is literally the worst to implement in rust
02:14 matey; "darn satellites"
02:14 schestowitz-TR; 128bit systems might be common by then
02:15 bnchs__; and when you bring this up to rust people
02:15 schestowitz-TR; so they might leap ahead
02:15 matey; i figure what theyll probably do is put up newer sats by then
02:15 bnchs__; they say "why do you need linked list"
02:15 matey; maybe CUBEsats
02:15 bnchs__; "linked list is BAD anyway"
02:15 matey; "just throw some smartphones up there really hard"
02:15 matey; "and whatever god wants, he keeps"
02:15 schestowitz-TR; "is this a falling satellite or are you just excited to see me?"
02:16 bnchs__; falling satellite
02:16 matey; look its space garbage! make a wish!
02:16 bnchs__; presented to you by elon starlink
02:16 matey; "i wish people would stop using rust!"
02:16 bnchs__; now die bitch
02:16 schestowitz-TR; matey: rust won't last long
02:16 schestowitz-TR; very few things of its kind do
02:16 matey; you say about everything
02:16 bnchs__; when you can't implement a simple concept
02:16 schestowitz-TR; you can list them on one hand's finger
02:16 bnchs__; when it's very likely it will die
02:16 matey; "global warming wont last long" roy, or mincer
02:16 MinceR; huh?
02:17 schestowitz-TR; linux will have to do lots of rewriting when rust perishes
02:17 matey; well he says it wont last long because its a problem
02:17 matey; and you say it wont because humanity will kill itself anyway
02:17 schestowitz-TR; like adobe flash/.swf files
02:17 matey; thats the joke. i didnt say it was my best
02:17 bnchs__; schestowitz-TR, linked list is used in POSIX's getaddrinfo API
02:17 bnchs__; they'll fuck up at that
02:17 MinceR; global warming will stick around after humanity has killed itself off
02:17 matey; i know
02:17 matey; its not actually true
02:17 matey; its deliberately silly
02:18 schestowitz-TR; global WAR-ming
02:18 schestowitz-TR; we're just getting warmed up
02:18 schestowitz-TR; "is it warming up or did putin do gorlla dust at chernobyl again?"
02:19 schestowitz-TR; (fallout sickness)
02:19 matey; the zone at chernobyl is populated at least
02:19 bnchs__; rust is another memelang
02:19 matey; albeit not by many (for some reason)
02:19 bnchs__; it won't last a day
02:19 schestowitz-TR; give it 5-10 years
02:19 schestowitz-TR; not much by standards of Linux and GNU
02:19 matey; github will probably move there for tax rasons
02:19 schestowitz-TR; GNU turns 40 next year
02:19 bnchs__; you already have to do "unsafe" to do anything in rust
02:19 matey; raisons
02:19 matey; california raisons
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02:20 matey; theyre actually french
02:20 schestowitz-TR; matey: arctic vault, chernobyl vault
02:20 schestowitz-TR; protected from humans
02:20 schestowitz-TR; using high radiation
02:20 bnchs__; tell me how many unsafe keywords you see on a typical rust project
02:20 schestowitz-TR; you cannot even get close to the vault without vomiting
02:20 matey; chernobyl is more suitable to human life than the arctic really
02:20 bnchs__; schestowitz-TR, just wear a suit bro
02:20 schestowitz-TR; suits me
02:21 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: I always do when I go food-shopping
02:21 schestowitz-TR; not hazmat but close
02:21 bnchs__; i mean a hazardous suit
02:21 schestowitz-TR; only my eyes are showing, like a saudi woman
02:21 matey; roy: n-what?
02:21 bnchs__; for when you wanna go to the vault
02:21 schestowitz-TR; with holes in the garments or lines
02:21 matey; lol@saudi woman
02:22 schestowitz-TR; people who know me cannot recognise me
02:22 bnchs__; schestowitz-TR, thats called the burqa
02:22 bnchs__; and it's banned in morocco
02:22 bnchs__; because for legal reasons blah blah blah
02:22 schestowitz-TR; unless they know my bags or my wardrobe
02:22 matey; moroccans have to wear proper ppe then
02:23 schestowitz-TR; manchester is so p-c you cannot even say anything about "traditional" saudi garments for women
02:23 schestowitz-TR; that's racist
02:23 bnchs__; they banned it because for "security reasons"
02:23 schestowitz-TR; but the clothing is sexist, so...
02:23 matey; /me didnt know saudi was a race
02:23 bnchs__; the burqa can be used to hide identities of criminals and terrorists
02:23 schestowitz-TR; but this tolerance makes it OK for me to dress by the same coder
02:23 schestowitz-TR; except it's sports attire
02:24 activelow; schestowitz-TR> GNU turns 40 next year
02:24 matey; the burqa can be used to hide identities of criminals and terrorists "all spies must register with security officer"
02:24 kingoffrance; i should add, although there is nothing to discuss, enlightenment was "the people are the state". there is no "stateless enlightenment" non-sequitor
02:24 schestowitz-TR; matey: doesn't matter anymor
02:24 activelow; that's how long east germany existed: 40 years
02:24 matey; gnu is already dead
02:24 schestowitz-TR; islam is a "race" now
02:24 matey; are christians a race too?
02:24 activelow; it is a running gag, to say "40 years"
02:24 schestowitz-TR; it's a race you can change
02:24 schestowitz-TR; apostacy notwithstanding
02:24 kingoffrance; dont go there matey, or come to another channel :D
02:24 bnchs__; matey: it's actually a thing that was done before
02:24 matey; kingoffrance: lol
02:25 bnchs__; people using burqas to hide weapons and shit
02:25 matey; people using burqas to hide weapons and shit <- ruining burqas for everyone else!
02:25 schestowitz-TR; well, now we have covid-19
02:25 bnchs__; also sneaking in women toilet
02:25 schestowitz-TR; so it's self-defence
02:25 schestowitz-TR; and safety
02:25 schestowitz-TR; to dress up well
02:26 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: you don't need clothing for that
02:26 schestowitz-TR; you can join the they/them crowd
02:26 schestowitz-TR; and then walk right in
02:26 bnchs__; transgender is not accepted here
02:26 schestowitz-TR; which does cause alarm among women
02:26 bnchs__; they're just gonna laugh at you
02:26 bnchs__; better wear the burqa
02:26 matey; <schestowitz-TR> which does cause alarm among women <- mostly jk rowling and nina paley though
02:26 schestowitz-TR; I never thought of this burqa aspect
02:27 schestowitz-TR; like sneaking into women's toilet
02:27 schestowitz-TR; but if armed men can camouflage as women to enter places and shoot people, lavatories are possible too
02:28 schestowitz-TR; matey: I didn't know about paley
02:28 matey; if armed men can camouflage as women to enter places and shoot people <- i mean they could do that before people started tackling transphobia
02:28 schestowitz-TR; maybe she skipped the whole twitter thing
02:28 matey; I didn't know about paley <- she draws trans women as penises wearing a wig
02:28 schestowitz-TR; that's not nice
02:28 schestowitz-TR; provocative
02:28 matey; like a penis instead of a person-- with a little face and everything
02:28 matey; that's not nice <- im sure she thinks its clever
02:29 schestowitz-TR; but many women do feel unsafe
02:29 matey; im a bit disappointed by it
02:29 schestowitz-TR; you can see lots of them
02:29 bnchs__; there's also one thing
02:29 schestowitz-TR; and they're not militant or radical
02:29 bnchs__; burqa is also a symbol of radical islam
02:29 matey; women used to feel unsafe around black people too...
02:29 schestowitz-TR; they are just mortified
02:29 schestowitz-TR; and feel uncomfortable
02:29 bnchs__; you know, the same radical islam associated with terrorists
02:29 bnchs__; like ISIS
02:29 DaemonFC; " The EU needs to be tough on Putin, and tough on Orbn, but is that possible? " -Stallman
02:29 DaemonFC; Well, Orban will be easier.
02:29 matey; if women feel unsafe we should arm them
02:30 schestowitz-TR; gay men in the men's WCs is not an issue
02:30 matey; theyll feel better then
02:30 DaemonFC; As far as I know, Hungary has no nukes and oil.
02:30 schestowitz-TR; because gay men cannot 'overpower' you
02:30 matey; seriously, its a legitimate approach. this is not merely an argument about guns (various ways to arm women against attackers)
02:30 schestowitz-TR; or you don't sense that sort of threat anyway
02:30 DaemonFC; I know some bears that would disagree.
02:30 matey; well bears rarely sneak into lavatories
02:30 matey; but im sure its happened at least once
02:31 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: is that an ACTUAL RMS quote?
02:31 matey; more often in the northwest
02:31 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Yes, off of his blog.
02:31 schestowitz-TR; OK
02:31 matey; it doesnt look unlike a stallman quote
02:31 DaemonFC; That he said Europe should be tough on Orban and Putin?
02:32 DaemonFC; No more inviteskys from RT?
02:32 schestowitz-TR; R what?
02:32 schestowitz-TR; it was deplatformed heavily
02:32 matey; /me doubts rms would go to russia right now, unless putin wanted him to give a talk on free software
02:32 schestowitz-TR; removed from cablwe TV
02:32 schestowitz-TR; gulagtube
02:32 schestowitz-TR; everything except their DDOSed site
02:32 matey; rms would probably go to a taliban hideout if they asked him to give a talk on free software
02:32 DaemonFC; Yes, even in the US it's hard to watch RT now, on TV.
02:33 schestowitz-TR; their licences to operate in foreign soil like germany and ukj was revoked too
02:33 DaemonFC; I'm not sure if Dish Network still has them. Comcast and DirecTV got rid of them.
02:33 schestowitz-TR; along with OAN
02:33 DaemonFC; They had Jesse the WALRUS on a blurb talking about how RT didn't give you any fake news right as DirecTV pulled the plug on them.
02:34 matey; "they put a bag over my head so i couldnt find out where they were located, but after they searched me for weapons we had a nice lunch and they had lots of questions about how free software could help in their fight against the infidels. i told them theres no god, but they said they werent offended as long as i wasnt saying there was any god besides allah."
02:34 matey; "i also explained that free software wasnt only for fighting infidels but that freedom 0 means you can use the software for any purpose"
02:35 activelow; lol
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02:36 DaemonFC; <matey> "i also explained that free software wasnt only for fighting infidels but that freedom 0 means you can use the software for any purpose"
02:37 DaemonFC; With an extra emphasis on the uranium enrichment.
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02:38 matey; /me considers uranium enrichment a hardware issue, but you know how it is with these open source new-agey types
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02:38 matey; "we have all the equipment but dammit, this license forbids us to use it for this purpose!"
02:38 DaemonFC; With RISC-V they can do it in total freedom.
02:38 matey; "so now we will have to write our own software for this thing!"
02:39 matey; With RISC-V they can do it in total freedom <- i dunno, sounds RISCy
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02:39 matey; "hitler never played [with] RISC as a kid!" eddie izzard (who was probably talking about something else)
02:40 activelow; the nuclear facilities in Iran were constructed in cooperation with... Siemens
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02:40 matey; please write to the fsf and tell them to stop writing software that doesnt forbid people from murdering each other
02:40 matey; i mean a law against murdering people is never enough
02:40 schestowitz-TR; against self-hosting too
02:41 matey; you ALSO need software licenses to tell people they cant do things that are already illegal.
02:41 schestowitz-TR; no, it goes beyond that
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02:41 schestowitz-TR; the CoC adds bans to existing laws
02:41 schestowitz-TR; so it's a corporate extension to law
02:41 matey; and the CoE is going to be so much fun
02:42 schestowitz-TR; and the enforcementr is arbitrarily done by their employees
02:42 schestowitz-TR; not real courts
02:42 activelow; that's not the legal scope of a _software_ license, and most software is _not_ subject to profiliferation concerns either
02:42 matey; so it's a corporate extension <- also known as overthrow / co-opting
02:42 matey; <activelow> that's not the legal scope of a _software_ license, and most software is _not_ subject to profiliferation concerns either <- yes but try explaining that to idiots
02:43 matey; <schestowitz-TR> and the enforcementr is arbitrarily done by their employees <- this is a feature
02:43 matey; basically we put corporations in charge of our freedom from corporations, and... oh, shit! why didnt anyone think of CODE OF ETHICS
02:43 matey; code of ethics is going to be so much fun, there will be forks everywhere
02:44 matey; but not everywhere, because MOST people (like the fsf) are just going to sit back and watch everything get taken over
02:44 matey; the rest will rebuilt the movement-- as at that point, the movement is dead.
02:44 matey; dead but not forgotten
02:44 matey; we will rebuild of course. but most people will not come along for it.
02:44 matey; not for a long time
02:45 matey; this wont feature in stallmans state of free software speech
02:45 matey; maybe he will mention the code of ethics but probably not
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02:45 matey; since the board already has one.
02:45 matey; thank joshua gay
02:46 matey; hes the one who demanded it in 2019 (really he was just speaking for other people)
02:46 matey; late sept 2019
02:46 matey; implemented by the fsf in 2022.
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02:47 matey; it reads a lot like a code of conduct with "conduct" scratched out and replaced with "ethics"
02:47 matey; but thats the future.
02:47 matey; strike 3 on the fsf remakes the american version of the office
02:47 DaemonFC; I just ignore those.
02:47 matey; i just dont support them
02:48 matey; though as long as you dont want to talk at libreplanet, or on libera chat, or contribute (directly) to free software projects, its a non-issue
02:48 matey; as long as you run your own project (with blackjack and hookers) then youre fine
02:48 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/south-carolina-schedules-1st-execution-with-firing-squad-ready/
02:48 TR Bot; South Carolina schedules 1st execution with firing squad ready | WGN-TV
02:49 matey; a lot of people charged with sedition and terrorism have tried to opt for firing squad instead of hanging
02:49 matey; including saddam
02:49 matey; a number of bolsheviks executed under stalin
02:51 matey; they should abolish the death penalty, but south carolina is already a banana republic posing as a state
02:51 kingoffrance; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Atlantis_(journal) thats ok the non-enlightened people do "ethics" too
02:51 TR Bot; The New Atlantis (journal) - Wikipedia
02:52 kingoffrance; and public policy
02:52 matey; non-enlightened people are eager to replace ethics with policies
02:52 kingoffrance; put the non-enlightened people in charge of enlightenment lol
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02:52 matey; ethics involves debate and sometimes leaving things as they are (gasp!) rather than making them arbitrarily worse
02:53 matey; policy people are fine with arbitrarily worse AS LONG AS ITS CONSISTENT
02:53 matey; which just as the cherry on top, it never is (consistent)
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02:53 matey; so we literally throw out reason in favour of consistency, which isnt even consistent.
02:53 matey; give yourself a hand, coc-masters.
02:56 matey; maybe im sentimental, but any captured and convicted dictator who prefers to be shot should be
02:57 matey; hanging them is barbaric. if youre going to do that, why not just bring back stoning?
02:57 matey; and these are all people who quote leviticus, while insisting they arent even held to it (except when they like it)
02:58 matey; but since sc isnt in charge of that, its the federal gov and the armed forces who need to provide the option for firing squad
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.11 average k/sec., average swarm size 337.68
02:59 matey; my guess is they arent going to bother
03:01 kingoffrance; "the CoC adds bans to existing laws so it's a corporate extension to law" schestowitz-TR wins. its an enlightened inquisition with private "courts"
03:01 kingoffrance; just like the last time lol
03:02 schestowitz-TR; but this is one for ETHICS
03:02 schestowitz-TR; free speech isn't ethics
03:02 schestowitz-TR; corporations are ethics
03:02 matey; ethics > freedom!
03:02 schestowitz-TR; condeming corporations is not ethical
03:02 schestowitz-TR; it's UN-ethical
03:02 schestowitz-TR; like UN
03:03 matey; its hypocritical, because corporations arent the ONLY entities that do bad things </whataboutism>
03:04 kingoffrance; lol
03:05 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 123939 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40091 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 months 29 days ago
03:06 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 33 GB TotalOut: 7.1 GB
03:06 *schestowitz-TR installs and tries audacious in latest kde neon
03:06 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=T5HSNRrD-Ls
03:06 TR Bot; *Church* of Scientology Ethics 101 - Invidious
03:07 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:08 matey; its not an ad for the group, its commentary from former members who use an 18-second clip from an ad
03:08 AdmFubar; ooopsie doodles again https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/atlassian_service_issues_linger_leaving/
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03:08 TR Bot; Atlassian outage lingers, some customers fear data loss The Register
03:08 matey; who then talk about how fucked up it is
03:08 schestowitz-TR; lol!
03:08 IPFS; QmPokuDJbuL2FN7E9h2TvVkafexTCncL78fivWTmKvQBfi
03:08 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:08 schestowitz-TR; go clown go
03:08 schestowitz-TR; the clown is SAFETY!
03:08 schestowitz-TR; censorship is safety
03:08 schestowitz-TR; outsourcing is security
03:08 schestowitz-TR; just don'tbe Russian!!
03:09 schestowitz-TR; remember when gitLAB suffered data loss?
03:09 matey; freedom is slavery. war is peace. outsourcing is security.
03:09 schestowitz-TR; matey: as I like to say,
03:09 schestowitz-TR; GOING BACK TO MAINFRAME
03:09 matey; oh yeah
03:09 schestowitz-TR; is NOT "modernising"
03:09 schestowitz-TR; or "keeping up with the time.."
03:09 schestowitz-TR; the goal was to give computers to residential markets
03:10 schestowitz-TR; and now they go in reverse
03:10 schestowitz-TR; and go, "ooooh oooooooo!!!!!! this is so much better"
03:10 matey; the industry giveth and the industry taketh away when theres a buck to be made
03:10 schestowitz-TR; and WHY?
03:10 schestowitz-TR; WHAT did we invent?
03:10 schestowitz-TR; the VM?
03:10 schestowitz-TR; No.
03:10 schestowitz-TR; That's old
03:10 schestowitz-TR; 20 years
03:10 schestowitz-TR; containers?
03:10 schestowitz-TR; just another lousy implementation?
03:10 schestowitz-TR; dataecentres? No.
03:11 schestowitz-TR; redundancy? No.
03:11 schestowitz-TR; That goes more than 50 years back
03:11 schestowitz-TR; so WHY?
03:11 schestowitz-TR; Why, clown, why? Why NOW?
03:11 schestowitz-TR; nobody can answer that!!
03:11 schestowitz-TR; btw, around 2011 I installed JIRA locally
03:11 matey; "the ethics officer is an enforcer... hes going to dish out how much punishment you get" (from the above link)
03:11 schestowitz-TR; on a server from like the 90s...
03:11 schestowitz-TR; or a router
03:12 schestowitz-TR; with postgres and all
03:12 schestowitz-TR; slow like a snail
03:12 schestowitz-TR; JIRA has become more bloated since
03:12 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/apple_ios_privacy/
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03:12 TR Bot; Apple iOS privacy clampdown 'did little' to reduce tracking The Register
03:12 matey; moores law cant keep up with bad design
03:13 schestowitz-TR; Ariadne: XRevan86: latest audacious in kde-neon (2020 iirc) is 3.10/1
03:13 schestowitz-TR; 2018
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03:14 matey; kingoffrance according to the above video, the cults "enforcement of ethics" has turned into "selling indulgences"
03:14 matey; which is also true for open source
03:14 kingoffrance; yeah lol
03:14 kingoffrance; sounds about right lol
03:14 matey; if youre a developer, you have to do what we tell you
03:14 matey; but you can buy your freedom if youre a corporation
03:14 matey; great plan, lets call it "ethics"
03:15 schestowitz-TR; official web site speaks of 4.1
03:15 schestowitz-TR; feb 1 2022
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03:16 schestowitz-TR; the site lacks rss/atom/xml
03:16 schestowitz-TR; which I'd have liked to have and add
03:17 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: untrue
03:17 schestowitz-TR; it was a PR stunt
03:17 schestowitz-TR; it did fool their scientology-like cult
03:17 schestowitz-TR; it's about optics
03:17 matey; official web site <- for what?
03:18 TR News; Clown computing and data loss are two-word synonyms https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/atlassian_service_issues_linger_leaving/
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03:18 TR Bot; Atlassian outage lingers, some customers fear data loss The Register
03:19 matey; audacious?
03:19 TR News; Apple works for NSA. You need to be as gullible as an Apple "consumer" to believe otherwise (in the face of verifiable facts) https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/apple_ios_privacy/
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03:19 schestowitz-TR; matey: yes
03:20 schestowitz-TR; I use vlc and audacious alone
03:20 schestowitz-TR; vlc is for video
03:20 schestowitz-TR; but audacious can play the audio tracks of video files OK
03:20 schestowitz-TR; and can look like winamp
03:20 schestowitz-TR; which brings me back to my childhood
03:20 matey; indeed
03:20 schestowitz-TR; as a kid I even made a few winamp themes
03:21 matey; i used winamp at one point
03:21 schestowitz-TR; I didn't save them on backups, so lost them after dead drive
03:21 matey; and xmms
03:21 matey; though i use mplayer now
03:21 schestowitz-TR; xmms was my sole media player for like 8 years
03:21 schestowitz-TR; then minirok, amarok and others
03:21 schestowitz-TR; amarok seems mostly abandoned now
03:21 schestowitz-TR; there was a vibrant dutch team behind it at one point with active site and reports
03:22 schestowitz-TR; minirok (dutch) was python based and light
03:22 matey; # pkg_add amarok
03:22 matey; Obsolete package: amarok (no longer maintained and full of security holes)
03:22 matey; ^ what it actually says
03:23 matey; "VW last year confirmed that one of the joint projects would be a redesigned Amarok based on the same T6 body-on-frame platform as the next Ford Ranger due for a reveal around the end of the year...."
03:23 matey; lol
03:24 schestowitz-TR; matey: try minirok
03:24 schestowitz-TR; see what it says
03:24 schestowitz-TR; songbird also seems to have died ages ago
03:25 matey; packaging python-based software seems to be a gnu/linux thing
03:25 matey; its not available from pkg_add but given that its python-based thats not surprising
03:26 matey; maybe its in ports though
03:26 schestowitz-TR; they are both absent here too
03:27 schestowitz-TR; obs. no songbird either
03:27 schestowitz-TR; mplayer is hungarian iirc
03:27 schestowitz-TR; unless something changed other than the forks
03:27 matey; bellard is from hungary?
03:27 schestowitz-TR; no
03:27 schestowitz-TR; he's french
03:27 activelow; i am glad original mplayer still exists, together with directfb support
03:27 schestowitz-TR; you think of vlc?
03:27 matey; qemu, tinycc, mplayer
03:28 schestowitz-TR; wait
03:28 matey; no maybe im thinking ffmpeg
03:28 kingoffrance; didnt know he was involved with mplayer
03:28 schestowitz-TR; that''s a different french dev
03:28 matey; which mplayer uses
03:28 matey; i might be conflating mplayer and ffmpeg, which are related but not the same obviously
03:29 activelow; mplayer with fbcon/fbcon2 doesn't require any c++ dependency at all, for video rendering, no sdl2, no directfb, although mode-switching and/or video output scaling didn't work with fbcon/fbcon2 last time i tried
03:29 matey; mplayer was written originally by a guy named arpad
03:29 matey; bellard is ffmpeg, not mplayer
03:30 schestowitz-TR; he should get fsf award
03:30 matey; mplayer with fbcon/fbcon2 doesn't require any c++ dependency at all <- nice
03:30 schestowitz-TR; but no... give it to people who never coded
03:30 schestowitz-TR; but who worked for fsf
03:31 schestowitz; https://www.thejakartapost.com/culture/2022/04/08/author-and-filmmaker-richard-oh-passes-away-at-62.html
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03:31 TR Bot; Author and filmmaker Richard Oh passes away at 62 - Entertainment - The Jakarta Post
03:32 matey; The project was started by Fabrice Bellard (using the pseudonym "Grard Lantau") in 2000, and was led by Michael Niedermayer from 2004 until 2015.
03:32 matey; Grard Lantau <- heh
03:32 TR News; Oh, REALLY? Avast itself has been proven to be spyware if not malware. If you install it, you've let a malicious entity penetrate past your defences! https://stockhouse.com/news/press-releases/2022/04/05/avast-adds-new-privacy-and-scam-protection-features-to-avast-one
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03:32 TR Bot; Adds New Privacy and Scam Protection Features to Avast One | 2022-04-05 | Press Releases | Stockhouse
03:32 matey; thats in reference to qemu i believe
03:32 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPlayer
03:32 TR Bot; MPlayer - Wikipedia
03:33 schestowitz; Websitemplayerhq.hu
03:33 schestowitz; "The original author, Hungarian rpd Gereffy"
03:33 schestowitz; I won't even try to read that name
03:33 schestowitz; it looks a little Swedish
03:34 schestowitz; "mplayer2 was a GPLv3-licensed fork of MPlayer, largely the work of Uoti Urpala, who was excluded from the MPlayer project in May 2010 due to "long standing differences" with the MPlayer Team.[16] The main changes from MPlayer were improved pause handling, Matroska support, seeking, and support for Nvidia VDPAU; enabling multithreading by default; and the removal of MEncoder, the GUI interface, and various video drivers and bundled libraries, such
03:34 schestowitz; as ffmpeg, relying instead on shared libraries.[17][18] The developers also indicated intentions to enable MPlayer2 to use libav as an alternative to ffmpeg.[19] The first release, 2.0, was published in March 2011. There have been no subsequent stable releases."
03:34 schestowitz; I use mpv sometimes
03:34 matey; 02:29 <matey> mplayer was written originally by a guy named arpad
03:34 matey; 02:29 <matey> bellard is ffmpeg, not mplayer
03:35 matey; largely the work of Uoti Urpala, who was excluded from the MPlayer project in May 2010 due to "long standing differences" with the MPlayer Team
03:35 TR News; MOAR proprietary software will NOT protect you. Is is a liability. https://www.joplinglobe.com/region/national_business/arcserve-enhances-key-ransomware-defense-solution/article_12a1efe5-95be-5df8-85f7-bfa8b459621c.html
03:35 TR Bot; Enhances Key Ransomware Defense Solution | National Business | joplinglobe.com
03:36 TR News; Hoarded by Michael Larabel, as AMD prioritised bribes, not customers. https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/amd_threadripper_supply/
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03:36 TR Bot; AMD Threadripper CPU supply severely low, PC makers say The Register
03:36 matey; https://libregamewiki.org/Uoti_Urpala Uoti Urpala is a member of the XPilot NG project.[1] This page was last edited on 11 August 2018, at 19:23. From LibreGameWiki, the libre, opensource and free games encyclopedia.
03:36 TR Bot; Uoti Urpala - Libregamewiki
03:37 schestowitz; sounds Finnish
03:37 matey; mplayer2 was created by Uoti Urpala who had his disagreements with the original MPlayer team and made his own version with streamlined build system and throwing out many hacks of the original code.
03:38 activelow; well yes, chances are tinycc+mplayer(fbcon/fbcon2)+ffmpeg are possible with a c-only profile, all nasty dependencies removed, and support audio/video with it; in fact i got mplayer inside this c-profile already
03:38 schestowitz-TR; mplayer was vital around 2002
03:39 schestowitz-TR; the days of divx
03:39 activelow; SDL1/2 and directfb are written in c++, yet are not necessary for audio/video with mplayer
03:39 schestowitz-TR; the web was still littered with WMP crap
03:39 mjg59_; You're going to have awful performance hitting fbcon directly
03:39 mjg59_; No hardware rescaling
03:40 activelow; mjg59_: mplayer+directfb is very efficient and fast, sufficient for DVD/PAL resolution, on a low-power cortex a53
03:40 mjg59_; Have to do YUVRGB by hand
03:40 activelow; yet, directfb is written in c++; and gcc probably applies some auto-vectorization, utilization of FPU etc.
03:41 activelow; the only problem with fbcon/fbcon2: missing video-output scaling
03:42 activelow; that's why, i keep directfb, outside the c-only base-system profile
03:42 TR News; "Daniel Khl is a DevOps Engineer"... oh, 'DevOps' https://fedoramagazine.org/samba-as-ad-and-domain-controller/
03:42 matey; <schestowitz-TR> mplayer was vital around 2002 <- i like it because its simply the least bullshit video player ever made
03:42 TR Bot; Samba as AD and Domain Controller - Fedora Magazine
03:42 matey; i used to be a vlc fan
03:42 matey; it got really stupid (ymmv)
03:42 matey; but i used to really love vlc
03:42 matey; mplayer hasnt let me down
03:43 TR News; Sayak Boral does not want you to know about GNU/Linux. Longtime Microsoft booster. https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-high-memory-usage-windows/
03:43 TR Bot; How to Fix High Memory Usage in Windows - Make Tech Easier
03:43 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/microsoft_nonprofit_price_increases/
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03:43 TR Bot; Microsoft hikes prices for nonprofit customers The Register
03:43 matey; mplayer is definitely not the friendliest gui player because those are addons
03:43 matey; usually maintained by people who care less than mplayer itself, so they come and go
03:44 matey; but i always use mplayer from the cli and it has enough keyboard shortcuts
03:44 activelow; i welcome mplayer doesn't require any gui at all, midnight commander, press enter, done.
03:44 matey; right
03:44 TR News; howtoforge has not been inaccessible for nearly a month due to the virus known as clownflare. RSS feed is practically dead, as RSS readers cannot solve JS challenges. Maybe howtoforge got all sadistic and wants to commit suicide.
03:44 matey; plus i used to use it from the framebuffer
03:44 matey; even when x wasnt running
03:45 TR News; The Unexpected Importance of the Trailing Slash Tookmund A place for my random thoughts about software https://tookmund.com/2022/04/importance-of-the-trailing-slash Source: tookmund
03:45 TR Bot; Unexpected Importance of the Trailing Slash Tookmund A place for my random thoughts about software
03:45 matey; vlc used to be no-bullshit, when i had to twiddle controls just to get decent playback i gave up on it
03:46 schestowitz-TR; [03:43] <AdmFubar> https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/microsoft_nonprofit_price_increases/
03:46 Alternative link; CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/microsoft_nonprofit_price_increases/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/microsoft_nonprofit_price_increases/
03:46 schestowitz-TR; aamzon also
03:46 schestowitz-TR; clown computing
03:46 schestowitz-TR; make a masked scooby doo meme
03:46 matey; theres been a notable (and noted) degredation of performance and reliability on more than one platform
03:46 schestowitz-TR; "let's see who you REALLY are!"
03:46 kingoffrance; lol
03:46 matey; but it must still behave for some people
03:47 activelow; problem within X11 is this: missing rendering backend, which is fast and efficient to output DVD/PAL resolution video without any of the proprietary/GPU "acceleration" magic
03:47 matey; problem within X11 is this: missing rendering backend <- its not the same with the framebuffer?
03:47 activelow; the GPU "acceleration" magic is a marketing scam; the main CPU can do it, with it's FPU and SIMD units;
03:48 activelow; which is another irony of SIMD and FPU, those were explicitely designed for "multimedia" processing
03:48 TR News; Clown computing is a bait-and-switch trap; Microsoft is a bunch of criminals, preying on the poorest https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/microsoft_nonprofit_price_increases/
03:48 Alternative link; CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/microsoft_nonprofit_price_increases/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/microsoft_nonprofit_price_increases/
03:49 activelow; and, SIMD isn't necessary either, for example, DirectFB can multi-thread the rendering to dedicated multicore FPUs, if there is multiple present of them, which they are almost always
03:49 matey; isnt it a shorter path (bus) from graphics adapter to gpu than from graphics adapter to cpu though?
03:49 matey; i mean im not a gpu fan
03:49 matey; but id like to understand this
03:49 TR News; Microsoft be like, President Biden, please bail us out so we can carry on plundering charities http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
03:49 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
03:50 matey; what i mean is
03:50 matey; isnt there a good reason (at least hypothetically) to have a gpu INSTEAD of using cpu features?
03:50 matey; even cpu features designed for graphics processing?
03:50 activelow; depends, not sure what the problem would be; with regards to memory bandwidth, the cortex a53 yields ~4GiB/s, which is good enough for a fast and efficient framebuffer
03:50 matey; i dont like gpus because they tend to be the most proprietary hardware in almost everything
03:51 matey; im not a fan of that.
03:51 activelow; the entire software-stack for GPU is rigged
03:51 matey; right youve explained that, its very interesting
03:52 activelow; complicated, bloated, a gigantic dependency graph, down from hardware level, kernel, libraries, requirement of LLVM/Clang compiler
03:52 matey; but even so it seems like moving from fpu and simd to gpu in and of itself isnt a stupid idea
03:52 matey; the way they did it at least, seems dirty
03:52 TR News; They call it clown computing because it'll all end up as a mushroom clown
03:53 kingoffrance; he suggested a stable ISA for a stable SOC "The Thirty Million Line Problem" so, anyone could do whatever GPU inside there they want, just present a consistent interface
03:53 kingoffrance; https://caseymuratori.com/blog_0031
03:53 TR Bot; The Thirty-Million-Line Problem (2015)
03:53 TR News; Many companies exist in no form other than paper, more so with "IT" companies which outsourced themselves to "the clown"; they don't have any possessions, not even servers!!
03:53 kingoffrance; he roughly implies it is because people wanted customizable/flexible hardware (cards)
03:54 activelow; well, the cortex-a53, with which i removed and deactivated all GPU "acceleration", requires less than 5watts
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03:54 TR News; Companies "moving to the clown" = outsourcing and LIQUIDATING
03:54 activelow; and it got no dedicated GPU memory anyway, and had to share the the memory bandwidth with main CPU;
03:55 kingoffrance; ^ yes, this was AGP IIRC
03:55 activelow; one issue remaining could be real-time video-encoding; although even this should be possible for DVD/PAL resolution, implemented in software, executed on main CPU
03:56 TR News; "Why is there downtime, boss?" "The clown" "Why data loss?" "The clown" "Who's accountable?" "The Clown!!" Same with "Hey Hi" and other corporate buzzword bullshit.
03:56 activelow; with the cortex-a53 and ARM NEON simd, software-rendering is fast enough, for yq2, prboom - 5watts
03:57 activelow; and i suspect, the ARMv7 hardfloat ABI variant should be even faster than the aarch64/neon optimization i tested; couldn't test the armv7 hardfloat ABI yet
03:57 TR News; Hungary has outsourced its leadership to "the clown", just like Belarus
03:57 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: : ^
03:57 mjg59_; Well, you'd hope it's fast enough for prboom, it ran without hardware acceleration on 486s
03:58 MinceR; schestowitz-TR: they couldn't help it, that's what their beloved hypePhones and hypePads come with
03:58 schestowitz-TR; do a clown migration
03:59 schestowitz-TR; the Orban circus can send the cabinet back
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 51.43 average k/sec., average swarm size 265.00
03:59 schestowitz-TR; he does "multiclown" already
03:59 schestowitz-TR; is kremlin is down, he uses the EU
03:59 schestowitz-TR; and vice versa
03:59 activelow; software rendering at DVD/PAL resolution _and_ upscaling to FullHD, with 5watts power draw; this is what the abandoned directfb and mplayer can do
03:59 MinceR; i think he's more likely to use paper
04:00 schestowitz-TR; hitler and stalin imposed multiclown on poland
04:00 MinceR; but iirc jozsef szajer bragged about using a hypePad to write the "basic law"
04:00 activelow; obviously, increasing resolution from 640x480 to 1920x1080 requires roughly 10x the processing power
04:00 mjg59_; activelow: You could do it in less than 5W if you used GPU functionality
04:00 MinceR; none of them are competent enough to realize what a national security risk that is
04:01 activelow; i486/DOS was more efficient too
04:01 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: I did not hear of that law
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04:01 schestowitz-TR; basic people pass basic laws
04:01 MinceR; it's fideath's replacement for the constitution
04:01 activelow; mjg59_: the ARMv7 hardfloat ABI _is_ what a GPU does anyway, and the framebuffer is still there; the mali-opengl stuff is just some redundant silicon
04:01 MinceR; hungary is so unconstitutional it doesn't even have a constitution
04:02 mjg59_; activelow: You don't understand what GPUs do
04:02 matey; MinceR "if thats what parenthood means that should go away too" <- there are people working on that
04:02 MinceR; many people are working on human extinction
04:02 matey; /me figures the gpu is like a math coprocessor but for graphics
04:02 activelow; i would prefer some extra _general purpose_ cortex ARM cores, with slighlty more L2 cache, instead of the proprietary acceleration voodoo of opengl
04:02 MinceR; most of them don't know they are :>
04:02 schestowitz; "
04:02 schestowitz; Simple minds talk about people,
04:02 schestowitz; Average minds talk about events,
04:02 schestowitz; Great minds talk about ideas.
04:02 schestowitz; "
04:02 kingoffrance; ^ "parents" doesnt matter, but noone agrees on what "family" means.
04:02 schestowitz-TR; Obran: let's talk about sex, baby putin
04:02 kingoffrance; like matey said, noone agrees on what is a "race" either
04:02 matey; meh, talking about ideas also means talking about people fucking those ideas up.
04:03 matey; kingoffrance: i was being a bit facetious though
04:03 kingoffrance; *implied dont mean to put words in your mouth
04:03 matey; though you may be right
04:03 matey; oh no worries
04:03 kingoffrance; enlightenment never solved that either
04:03 activelow; even better, instead of ARM cortex cores, would be some real free and opensource hardware; which there isn't any for vt100 termination with PS/2 and VGA
04:03 matey; no amount of enlightment can change the fact that some people are idiots
04:04 schestowitz-TR; they get promoted
04:04 matey; and theres the difference between enlightnment and utopianism
04:04 schestowitz-TR; and then the media calls them geniuses
04:04 activelow; HDMI is a huge problem... although some opensource verilog/hdl exist for this too
04:04 schestowitz-TR; HDMI and opensource?
04:04 *schestowitz-TR shivers a bit
04:05 schestowitz-TR; "we need OPEN SOURCE DRM!!"
04:05 activelow; schestowitz-TR: opencores got something for HDMI, although i had not seen a full SoC design implementing all requires parts
04:05 matey; /me doesnt think sbcs are going back to vga db-15 but maybe they will
04:05 schestowitz-TR; -Said nobody, maybe next OSI leader :-)
04:05 schestowitz-TR; Miguel de Icaza: let's make "open source" .NET and Silverlight and...
04:05 matey; i prefer db-15, alas i have no pull with the hardware industry
04:06 MinceR; i don't miss d-sub
04:06 MinceR; hdmi works so much better
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04:06 matey; it seems like a vector for something bad that isnt here yet (except when it is)
04:06 matey; maybe its just the usb of video, i dont know
04:07 matey; though that seems bad enough
04:07 MinceR; usb can do displayport already, at least on usb-c
04:07 matey; i mean ive done vga over usb
04:07 matey; it sucks though
04:07 activelow; USB1 verilog/hdl is available too, opencores
04:08 matey; vga over usb is great, after youve booted into x11
04:08 matey; but until then you have no fucking display
04:08 matey; less great.
04:08 mjg59_; Are there any free drivers for Displaylink VGA/USB yet?
04:08 matey; so its good for something like connecting a projector thats so old...
04:08 schestowitz-TR; usb universal cereal breakfast
04:09 matey; part of a balanced distro
04:09 schestowitz-TR; 100+ bugs
04:09 schestowitz-TR; some very severe
04:09 matey; <mjg59_> Are there any free drivers for Displaylink VGA/USB yet? <- dunno
04:09 schestowitz; https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html
04:09 Alternative link; CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html
04:09 TR Bot; N.S.A. Devises Radio Pathway Into Computers - The New York Times
04:09 activelow; there isn't any free and opensource implementation for vt100 termination with PS/2 and VGA at least
04:09 schestowitz; "Tiny transceivers are built into USB plugs and inserted into target computers. Small circuit boards may be placed in the computers themselves"
04:11 matey; /me is sort of partial to display solutions that show the vt (and work before x11 is loaded)
04:11 MinceR; so am i
04:11 matey; so that includes things as low-tech as an sold serial port.
04:12 matey; but not something as fancy as vga over usb
04:12 MinceR; i almost got a real serial terminal years ago
04:12 matey; as for serial port over usb its probably the same problem :)
04:12 MinceR; but i had no way to transport it, no place to store it, and little use for it
04:12 matey; well, maybe not with x11 per se
04:13 schestowitz-TR; matey: Maybe for cubexyz
04:13 schestowitz-TR; (mark)
04:13 schestowitz-TR; seems the death of freenode kept him away
04:14 MinceR; strange, considering that this is not freenode
04:14 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D555.jpg
04:15 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D197.jpg
04:15 MinceR; :3
04:16 matey; i dont know, ive heard stories about why people left before
04:16 TR News; New gemlog URL format (and how it works) gemini://gemini.panda-roux.dev/log/entry/53
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04:17 TR News; "The student movements of the 1960s were among the first to politicize the computer at the time, massive mainframes that only governments, corporations, and universities could afford. Mario Savio, leader of the Berkeley Free Speech Movement, famously invoked opposition to "the machine" in his attacks on the bureaucratization and soullessness " gemini://beyondneolithic.life/mueller_archive/breaking_things_at_work/high_tech_luddism
04:18 TR News; False: If only people knew the truth about empire, it would crumble gemini://beyondneolithic.life/posts/if_only_they_knew.gmi
04:19 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: he has an account here
04:19 schestowitz-TR; he was here for a while
04:19 MinceR; good
04:20 schestowitz-TR; remember msb?
04:20 schestowitz-TR; mark bilk?
04:20 MinceR; yes
04:20 schestowitz-TR; when people stop going online you sometimes wonder
04:20 MinceR; yeah
04:20 schestowitz-TR; bilk even came here to irc from the hospital iirc
04:21 frog; anyone know simple image uploader site?
04:21 schestowitz-TR; he was also in suse, usenet...
04:21 matey; frog: not anymore
04:21 MinceR; ibb.co, catbox.moe, 0x0.st
04:21 MinceR; shittyurl.org
04:21 frog; thx
04:21 schestowitz-TR; catbox :3
04:21 MinceR; np
04:21 MinceR; catbox is often offline
04:21 MinceR; but has a js-free version at nofun.catbox.moe
04:21 schestowitz-TR; it's a shittyurl anyway
04:21 MinceR; :>
04:22 matey; people disappear from online communities for all sorts of reasons
04:23 matey; often because of time constraints (kid born, new job) or they lose interest (even if they were passionately interested before) or because theyve grown tired of some form of harassment (public, private)
04:24 matey; i disappeared from one community many years ago because of death threats and constant harassment
04:24 schestowitz-TR; or the community shuts down
04:24 schestowitz-TR; little is left of diapora
04:24 schestowitz-TR; not many active users
04:24 matey; yeah like puppys main interaction was at the murge forums
04:24 matey; murga died, forums went down
04:24 matey; theres still a puppy forum but nothing like the murga forum
04:24 matey; most of the history of the distro is on the murga forum
04:25 schestowitz-TR; was
04:25 matey; or would be, if it were online
04:25 schestowitz-TR; gn
04:25 matey; right
04:25 frog; i got inspired by the clown so..
04:25 frog; http://0x0.st/obgs.png
04:26 frog; The below 2 images are captured just now (tor browser)
04:29 matey; yeah sourceforge has gotten a bit shit lately
04:29 matey; on this front
04:30 matey; and change.org is a joke imo
04:31 matey; someone should do am investigation of how much it has actually changed
04:31 frog; Many sites are joining to Clown cafe each day and it reached 22,000,000 last week
04:31 matey; it might be an elephant whistle
04:31 frog; https://archive.org/details/crimeflare
04:31 TR Bot; Cloudflare Domains (April 2022) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
04:31 matey; it reached 22,000,000 last week
04:32 frog; (as base domains)
04:32 matey; clownworld... wide web
04:32 frog; this is about 10% of total ICANN-registered domains
04:32 matey; wow
04:32 matey; nice stat
04:32 matey; "the github of the web"
04:32 matey; "the github of websites"
04:33 matey; github is like this too... id say more than half of free software is there now
04:33 frog; we usually push the list to above archive but the secondary git is down (probably ddos)
04:33 frog; so no cake tomorrow
04:33 matey; is the code there?
04:33 frog; yup
04:33 frog; aaand its down lol
04:33 matey; nice, bnchs was looking for it
04:33 frog; can't contact the maintainer anyway since about 3 or 4 days ago.
04:34 frog; hope he's ok
04:34 matey; maybe clownflare thugs are talking to him in a basement
04:34 frog; or maybe in conflict with ukr war
04:34 matey; that would suck
04:35 frog; he's in europe so that might a possibility
04:35 matey; even if hes fine, the downtime could TECHNICALLY be related
04:35 frog; ddos happens anytime
04:35 matey; indeed
04:36 matey; slitaz was ddosed for months
04:36 matey; so they moved to github
04:36 matey; then they left again
04:36 matey; more recently puppylinux.com was taken down (from github) because it was being ddosed
04:37 matey; so github wont protect you from ddosing, if anything theyll knock you offline for it
04:37 frog; self-hosted gitea might be a solution for them
04:37 matey; puppy (as a project) isnt smart enough to use gitea
04:37 matey; they might have the technical ability, but not the will
04:38 frog; yeah running server cost time and money
04:38 matey; even if you have time and money, it requires committment
04:38 matey; and theyd rather outsource to microsoft
04:38 frog; "committment" <- of course
04:40 frog; gotta back to swimming
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04:42 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/benito-juarez-high-school-to-ban-cell-phone-use-for-students/
04:42 TR Bot; Benito Juarez High School to ban cell phone use for students | WGN-TV
04:44 DaemonFC; Measure Title: A bill to prohibit the importation of energy products of the Russian Federation, and for other purposes.
04:44 DaemonFC; Vote Counts:
04:44 DaemonFC; YEAs100
04:44 DaemonFC; NAYs
04:44 DaemonFC;
04:44 DaemonFC; Nice
04:45 activelow; where, when?
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05:00 DaemonFC; The Senate, yesterday.
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05:01 MinceR; Palpatine?
05:03 activelow; propaganda lie, of either side, since a recent report was oil imports from russia into USA _increased_ +40% recently, few days ago
05:04 activelow; although, i cannot verify myself, if www.anti-spiegel.ru was credible; the author of this site got access to russian-language documents and insight into the oil/gas trade located in Sankt Petersburg
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05:33 AdmFubar; https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/online-tracking-privacy.html
05:33 Alternative link; CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/online-tracking-privacy.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/online-tracking-privacy.html
05:33 TR Bot; How Youre Still Being Tracked on the Internet - The New York Times
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07:38 TR News; Clownflare http://0x0.st/obgs.png
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07:44 TR News; "Okay, wow, my post about an empty file has generated a lot of feedback, mostly for the throwaway line at the bottom" https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2022/04/07/empty/
07:44 TR Bot; Lots of feedback about /bin/true, and more empty file fun
07:44 TR News; "QR codes are not inherently dangerous. They are simply a way to store data. However, just as it can be hazardous" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/mobility/how-qr-codes-work-and-what-makes-them-dangerous-a-computer-scientist-explains/90726665
07:44 TR Bot; QR codes: How QR codes work and what makes them dangerous: A computer scientist explains, CIO News, ET CIO
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07:46 TR News; "I want to install Ubuntu for playing games on external SSD, so I dont have to touch my boot loader." https://www.boucek.me/blog/installing-ubuntu-from-freebsd/
07:46 TR Bot; Ubuntu from FreeBSD boucek.me
07:49 TR News; An update to Raspberry Pi OS Bullseye http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163489#comment-33312
07:49 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi OS removes default "Pi" username, adds experimental support for Wayland | Tux Machines
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07:51 TR News; "My coffee-fuelled retrocomputing adventures have reached the point where Ive realised these machines are not only older than people at school now" https://rubenerd.com/computers-and-the-passing-of-time/
07:51 TR Bot; Computers and the passing of time
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08:00 TR News; OpenSSH 9.0 Release Notes https://www.openssh.com/txt/release-9.0
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08:02 TR News; "I am on a number of different compiler mailing lists. One of those is the mailing list for the Tiny C Compiler." https://briancallahan.net/blog/20220406.html
08:02 TR Bot; Brian Robert Callahan
08:03 TR News; "Some of the magic of not having to do any chpwd hooks at all are clearly negated by this" https://blog.cyborch.com/making-nvm-and-volta-co-exist-with-zsh/
08:03 TR Bot; Making Nvm And Volta Co-exist With Zsh
08:05 TR News; Don't use Reddit for Linux or BSD related questions https://unixsheikh.com/articles/dont-use-reddit-for-linux-or-bsd-related-questions.html Reddit is a Microsoft propaganda tool http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/
08:05 TR Bot; Don't use Reddit for Linux or BSD related questions
08:05 TR Bot; Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights
08:07 TR News; "Fellays concerns are a microcosm of one of the worlds biggest technological problems." https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25433810-300-an-extreme-form-of-encryption-could-solve-big-datas-privacy-problem/
08:07 Alternative link; CloudFlare: newscientist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25433810-300-an-extreme-form-of-encryption-could-solve-big-datas-privacy-problem/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25433810-300-an-extreme-form-of-encryption-could-solve-big-datas-privacy-problem/
08:07 TR Bot; An extreme form of encryption could solve big data's privacy problem | New Scientist
08:08 TR News; I was shocked to see that you are taking part in spreading misinformation and harassing me online, she wrote to him in an email. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-math-wars-get-ugly-Accusations-of-17060072.php
08:08 TR Bot; California math wars get ugly: Accusations of racism and harassment ignite battle between Stanford and Cal profs
08:08 TR News; "This is not the first time that Boaler has received threatening messages in response to her work in education." https://stanforddaily.com/2022/04/07/stanford-and-cal-professors-level-accusations-as-debate-over-state-math-curriculum-rages/
08:08 Alternative link; CloudFlare: stanforddaily.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://stanforddaily.com/2022/04/07/stanford-and-cal-professors-level-accusations-as-debate-over-state-math-curriculum-rages/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://stanforddaily.com/2022/04/07/stanford-and-cal-professors-level-accusations-as-debate-over-state-math-curriculum-rages/
08:08 TR Bot; Stanford and Cal professors level accusations as debate over state math curriculum rages | The Stanford Daily
08:09 TR News; "A report by the organization revealed that, in several countries, boys are at greater risk than girls of repeating years of schooling" https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/UNESCO-Warns-That-132-Million-Children-Do-Not-Receive-Education-20220408-0002.html
08:09 TR Bot; UNESCO Warns That 132 Million Children Do Not Receive Education | News | teleSUR English
08:09 TR News; "The survey also showed that roughly one in three snus users got hold of the product via social media platforms." https://yle.fi/news/3-12397250
08:09 TR Bot; One in three teens buys snus on social media, study finds | News | Yle Uutiset
08:10 TR News; "The new document is still just a draft, and device makers wont start using it until its finalized after another round of feedback." https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/8/23016588/medical-device-cybersecurity-fda-congress-hacking
08:10 TR Bot; The US is trying to fix medical devices big cybersecurity problem - The Verge
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08:24 TR News; Windows TCO https://www.voanews.com/a/6518932.html
08:24 TR Bot; Chinese Hackers Reportedly Target Indias Power Grid
08:24 TR News; Windows TCO https://www.secureworks.com/research/shadowpad-malware-analysis
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08:24 TR Bot; Malware Analysis | Secureworks
08:25 TR News; "Screens on devices at the councils car parks are meant to show its website" https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/20049469.electric-vehicle-chargepoints-hacked-show-porn/
08:25 TR Bot; Electric vehicle chargepoints hacked to show porn | Isle of Wight County Press
08:26 TR News; "Founded in 2012, Nord Security is now valued at 1.6 billion dollars." https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1667427/security-startup-becomes-lithuania-s-second-unicorn
08:26 TR Bot; Security startup becomes Lithuanias second unicorn - LRT
08:29 TR News; From Windows to GNU/Linux https://duncanlock.net/blog/2022/04/06/using-windows-after-15-years-on-linux/
08:29 Alternative link; CloudFlare: duncanlock.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://duncanlock.net/blog/2022/04/06/using-windows-after-15-years-on-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://duncanlock.net/blog/2022/04/06/using-windows-after-15-years-on-linux/
08:29 TR Bot; Windows after 15 years onLinux duncanlock.net
08:29 TR News; HEY HI proprietary hype https://www.csmonitor.com/Technology/2022/0406/Why-did-you-make-that-decision-AI-systems-learn-to-explain
08:29 TR Bot; AI shows businesses how it arrived at its conclusions - CSMonitor.com
08:30 TR News; Windows TCO https://yle.fi/news/3-12397024
08:30 TR Bot; Finnish foreign affairs and defence ministry websites hit by cyber attacks | News | Yle Uutiset
08:31 TR News; Windows TCO https://www.pcmag.com/news/us-disrupts-cyclops-blink-botnet-by-hacking-infected-devices
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08:31 TR Bot; Disrupts 'Cyclops Blink' Botnet by Hacking Infected Devices | PCMag
08:32 TR News; Windows TCO https://www.csoonline.com/article/3240364/what-is-a-botnet.html
08:32 TR Bot; What is a botnet? When infected devices attack | CSO Online
08:32 TR News; Windows TCO https://www.thecable.ng/alert-malware-targeting-routers-windows-pcs-in-circulation-ncc-warns
08:32 Alternative link; CloudFlare: thecable.ng | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thecable.ng/alert-malware-targeting-routers-windows-pcs-in-circulation-ncc-warns https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thecable.ng/alert-malware-targeting-routers-windows-pcs-in-circulation-ncc-warns
08:32 TR Bot; ALERT: Malware targeting routers, Windows PCs in circulation, NCC warns | TheCable
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08:44 TR News; Windows TCO https://sciencenigeria.com/ncc-uncovers-cyber-threats-to-windows-platforms-routers/
08:44 TR Bot; NCC Uncovers Cyber Threats to Windows Platforms, Routers | Science Nigeria
08:44 TR News; Windows TCO https://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/129286/malware/dirtymoe-modules-worm-like-techniques.html
08:44 TR Bot; DirtyMoe modules expand the bot using worm-like techniquesSecurity Affairs
08:46 TR News; "these approaches all have major downsides. Lets take a quick look at some of these and try to squeeze them into a pass/fail score, ignoring most of the nuance." these approaches all have major downsides. Lets take a quick look at some of these and try to squeeze them into a pass/fail score, ignoring most of the nuance." https://kevincox.ca/2022/04/07/passwords/
08:46 Alternative link; CloudFlare: kevincox.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://kevincox.ca/2022/04/07/passwords/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://kevincox.ca/2022/04/07/passwords/
08:46 TR Bot; Maybe Passwords are the Future
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09:02 TR News; <h3>Privacy/Surveillance</h3>
09:03 TR News; "According to more than 50 publicly available documents examined by Reuters, dozens of entities in China have over the past four years bought such software," https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/next-gen-technologies/china-uses-ai-software-to-improve-its-surveillance-capabilities/90718476
09:03 TR Bot; China uses AI software to improve its surveillance capabilities, CIO News, ET CIO
09:04 TR News; "Only weeks after the groundbreaking decision by the Austrian Data Protection Authority that the continuous use of Google Analytics" https://noyb.eu/en/update-cnil-decides-eu-us-data-transfer-google-analytics-illegal http://techrights.org/2020/09/09/fsfe-privacy-scandals/
09:04 TR Bot; UPDATE: CNIL decides EU-US data transfer to Google Analytics illegal
09:04 TR Bot; Amandine Cryptie Jambert, CNIL (Commission Nationale de lInformatique et des Liberts) and FSFE Privacy Scandals | Techrights
09:04 TR News; Twitter will die faster now https://www.csmonitor.com/Technology/2022/0405/Elon-Musk-became-Twitter-s-biggest-shareholder.-What-s-next
09:04 TR Bot; Musk questions free speech on Twitter. Then, he reveals big stake. - CSMonitor.com
09:05 TR News; Pseudoscience https://futurism.com/the-byte/gun-shot-cameras-cops-doors
09:05 Alternative link; CloudFlare: futurism.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://futurism.com/the-byte/gun-shot-cameras-cops-doors https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://futurism.com/the-byte/gun-shot-cameras-cops-doors
09:05 TR Bot; Gun Shot Detection Cameras Alerting Cops to Slamming Doors Instead
09:05 TR News; MangoPi MQ Pro - A $20 RISC-V alternative to Raspberry Pi Zero W Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163530
09:05 TR Bot; MangoPi MQ Pro - A $20 RISC-V alternative to Raspberry Pi Zero W | Tux Machines
09:05 TR News; This week in KDE: a feast for the eyes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163531
09:05 TR Bot; This week in KDE: a feast for the eyes | Tux Machines
09:05 TR News; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Adobe Acrobat Reader Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163532
09:05 TR Bot; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Adobe Acrobat Reader | Tux Machines
09:06 TR News; 10 Best Indie RPG Games for Linux in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163533
09:06 TR Bot; 10 Best Indie RPG Games for Linux in 2022 | Tux Machines
09:06 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163534
09:06 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:07 TR News; Firefox 99 Brings These Two Changes for Linux Users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163382#comment-33314
09:07 TR Bot; Firefox 99 Released with GTK Overlay Scrollbar Support, Fixes | Tux Machines
09:08 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Friday, April 08, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/irc-log-080422/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/09/irc-log-080422/
09:08 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Friday, April 08, 2022 | Techrights
09:08 TR News; #HowTo extract a .7z compressed file in Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163535
09:08 TR Bot; How to extract a .7z compressed file in Linux | Tux Machines
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09:36 TR News; "Taherzadeh allegedly provided rent-free apartments, iPhones, surveillance systems" https://text.npr.org/1091426599
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09:36 TR Bot; 2 men impersonated federal agents to get close to the Secret Service, FBI says
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09:47 TR News; Quality control gemini://galaxyhub.uk/articles/gigabyte-psu.gmi
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09:55 TR News; "Applebaum: In a way, this is the dark side of globalization, namely that we all now live in the same information market." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/russian-disinformation-social-media-propaganda/629497/
09:55 Alternative link; CloudFlare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/russian-disinformation-social-media-propaganda/629497/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/russian-disinformation-social-media-propaganda/629497/
09:55 TR Bot; Anne Applebaum: Social Media Made Spreading Disinformation Easy - The Atlantic
09:55 TR News; "According to the report obtained by The Verge, the technical problem dates back from 2019 and began causing a noticeable surge in disinformation in October 2021" https://rsf.org/en/news/facebook-must-explain-how-feed-bug-made-disinformation-more-visible
09:55 Alternative link; CloudFlare: rsf.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://rsf.org/en/news/facebook-must-explain-how-feed-bug-made-disinformation-more-visible https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://rsf.org/en/news/facebook-must-explain-how-feed-bug-made-disinformation-more-visible
09:55 TR Bot; Facebook must explain how Feed bug made disinformation more visible | RSF
09:58 TR News; "Russias last remaining independent media outlets in the country were forced into closure or exile and much of the foreign press corps" https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/08/west-russia-digital-iron-curtain-media/
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09:58 TR Bot; West Seeks to Pierce Russia's Digital Iron Curtain
10:06 TR News; Belarussia https://www.voanews.com/a/jailed-belarusian-journalist-charged-with-treason-5-months-before-her-release/6521093.html
10:06 TR Bot; Jailed Belarusian Journalist Charged With Treason 5 Months Before Her Release
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10:07 TR News; Recognizing what is officially retaliation and what is generally a toxic workplace is tricky, especially since they can overlap https://www.teenvogue.com/story/what-is-retaliation-workplace
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10:07 TR Bot; What Is Retaliation in the Workplace? Here Are Your Rights and What to Know | Teen Vogue
10:18 TR News; "growing challenges of combatting disinformation" https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/08/global-report-on-journalism-released/
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10:18 TR Bot; Global Report on the State of Journalism Released - Creative Commons
10:21 TR News; Twitter users have become UNPAID staff of Elon Musk. They should not persist. Get a life. Stop supporting a man who CENSORED all accounts bearing his name in Twitter. Quit Twitter.
10:24 TR News; The Jackson confirmation, like OJ Simpson case, shows quite an accomplishment; they've made it all about race and this way marginalised any actual substance.
10:26 TR News; "China was seen as the major enemy. Despite Chinas helpful role in enabling corporate America to drive down labors wage rates by de-industrializing the U.S." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/08/the-dollar-devours-the-euro/
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10:26 TR Bot; Dollar Devours the Euro - CounterPunch.org
10:34 TR News; gulagtube selective enforcement of policy https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/youtube-is-so-corrupt-it's-unreal:7
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10:34 TR Bot; YouTube Is So Corrupt It's Unreal
10:34 TR News; YouTube Is So Corrupt Its Unreal - Invidious https://yewtu.be/gdb4fTZ27BA Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
10:34 TR Bot; YouTube Is So Corrupt It's Unreal - Invidious
10:37 TR News; "Community guidelines GULAG" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gdb4fTZ27BA GULAG! :-)
10:54 TR News; Say "no" to this; create a demand for properly owned things https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/you-will-subscribe-instead-of-own-and:0
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10:54 TR Bot; You will subscribe instead of own and you will like it!
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10:59 immibis; capitalism is incompatible with consumer ownership in the long run.
10:59 immibis; producers have to make profits, which they can't do if consumers already own all the stuff they want
11:00 kingoffrance; thats why there is inflation
11:00 kingoffrance; to force "full employment" to make more useless "stuff"
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11:09 kingoffrance; if you dont eat carrots you get the stick lol
11:11 immibis; ? inflation isn't what forces employment
11:12 immibis; interest rates and inflation are somehow linked to forcing employment
11:12 immibis; but it's not as simple as "inflation forces employment"
11:12 schestowitz-TR; kingoffrance: it is already getting harder to retire
11:12 schestowitz-TR; pensions vs savings vs rares
11:12 schestowitz-TR; *rates
11:12 schestowitz-TR; after covid-19 maybe they want to lower retirement age? no way.
11:12 schestowitz-TR; live, work, die
11:13 immibis; retiring from savings are also incompatible with consumers owning everything. If consumers own everything they want, why would they give some of it to retired people?
11:14 schestowitz-TR; maybe sure the kettle breaks every couple of years
11:14 schestowitz-TR; :-)
11:14 immibis; retired people get paid by the same mechanisms elite capitalists do
11:14 schestowitz-TR; speaking from experience
11:14 schestowitz-TR; and the boiler, too
11:14 schestowitz-TR; that's a higher premium
11:14 kingoffrance; "its not as simple" sure, i just mean it is marketed as a "good thing"
11:14 kingoffrance; and more fair
11:15 kingoffrance; "velocity"
11:15 kingoffrance; that was how it was sold in 1920 anyways
11:15 immibis; it's something along the lines of: low interest rates make it easier for the ownership class to get money to pay for people to do work that may or may not be useful. The more available money is, the further down the barrel is scraped.
11:16 immibis; when interest rates rise, everyone whose work was useful is fine because they made money by selling something useful; any jobs that were useless get scrapped
11:16 immibis; and the owners behind those jobs don't get their money back
11:16 schestowitz-TR; I don't follow
11:16 schestowitz-TR; can you maybe explain it another way?
11:16 immibis; who
11:16 schestowitz-TR; low interest for savers?
11:17 immibis; low interest for borrowers means that people can borrow money to start businesses
11:17 schestowitz-TR; ownership class meaning affluent people?
11:17 immibis; some of those businesses do something useful and some do not
11:17 immibis; if the business does something useful, it makes its money back by the time interest rates rise and it has to repay its loans
11:17 immibis; the lower interest rates are, the longer a business doesn't have to make money
11:17 schestowitz-TR; ok, I get it now
11:18 immibis; ownership class = people who make money by owning things. In our capitalist economy, they are basically in charge of deciding which people do what.
11:18 TR News; =
11:19 TR News; iophk: "lots of FUD about source code and copyright in the second half" https://odysee.com/missouri-sb1086-agricultural-right-to:38ca26e0aa38cce942132ff91f067dfedc3ea55f
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11:19 TR Bot; Missouri SB1086 Agricultural Right to Repair bill testimony
11:20 immibis; don't be fooled into thinking everyone is equal: we effectively have a two-tier society with nobility on top and serfs on the bottom. Sure, there's a lot more mobility and fuzziness than when the system was formalized... but it's still there, mostly
11:20 TR News; This is the end, my friend? https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/04/07/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-press-freedom/
11:20 TR Bot; The Beginning of the End For Press Freedom neritam
11:20 kingoffrance; serfs had the right to build a hovel and work the land :)
11:21 immibis; kingoffrance: in exchange for giving a big part of their output to the lord, right?
11:21 immibis; we call that "rent"
11:21 kingoffrance; yes, i believe so. lord would even find them a partner...or they could purchase their way out lol
11:21 immibis; purchasing their way out is called "buying a house"
11:21 kingoffrance; i mean, arranged marriages about money
11:21 immibis; it's the same system, we just fooled ourselves into thinking it's ethical now
11:22 kingoffrance; the lord just wanted his cut is all
11:22 immibis; people still marry for money, it's just not their parents who tell them to
11:24 schestowitz-TR; it results in misery and divorce
11:24 schestowitz-TR; which is,
11:24 schestowitz-TR; you know,
11:24 schestowitz-TR; good for the owenrship class
11:24 immibis; and temporary freedom
11:25 schestowitz-TR; two of each
11:25 schestowitz-TR; two homes
11:25 schestowitz-TR; two lawn mowers
11:25 schestowitz-TR; etc.
11:25 schestowitz-TR; they love births
11:25 schestowitz-TR; it means more consumers
11:25 schestowitz-TR; but marriages lower spendings sometimes
11:25 schestowitz-TR; so then the home "splits"
11:25 schestowitz-TR; more to sell
11:26 immibis; births is currently something they are failing at. which is not too terrible since we exceeded earth's carrying capacity
11:26 schestowitz-TR; don't worry
11:26 schestowitz-TR; throw the old clunker
11:26 schestowitz-TR; buy a "green" car
11:26 schestowitz-TR; it's made of trees!
11:26 immibis; you see lots of right-wingers (i.e. owning class suckups) complaining about low birth rate
11:26 schestowitz-TR; actually, no, taking down trees is bad
11:29 TR News; "For the roots of our contemporary attitudes toward travel we must go back to the eighteenth century, to the golden age of the Grand Tour" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/08/travelers-sour-and-sentimental-3/
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11:29 TR Bot; Sour and Sentimental - CounterPunch.org
11:30 TR News; Pandemics https://therevelator.org/best-practices-confront-pandemics/"
11:30 TR Bot; Best Practices to Confront Pandemics at the Source The Revelator
11:34 TR News; "But, those breakdowns are not happening where people live. Therefore, other than scientists, who sees cascading ice sheets, crumbling permafrost, tens of thousands of Alaskan and Siberian thermokarst lakes bubbling methane, Greenlands Helheim glacier cascading into the sea" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/08/the-great-barrier-reef-on-life-support/
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11:34 TR Bot; Great Barrier Reef on Life Support - CounterPunch.org
11:35 kingoffrance; "you see lots of right-wingers (i.e. owning class suckups) complaining about low birth rate" yes, i never understood why that is a problem. did people forget how to reproduce? is that technology lost? no.
11:36 schestowitz-TR; this is pushed to them by media
11:36 schestowitz-TR; and it appeals to race card
11:36 schestowitz-TR; "those other people reproduce faster"
11:36 schestowitz-TR; it's like the "great replacement" FUD
11:37 schestowitz-TR; never bothered norway or sweden that china has a population like 300 times bigger
11:37 schestowitz-TR; sweden grew with immigration
11:37 immibis; kingoffrance: they think it's a bad thing because of "racial replacement"
11:38 immibis; the real problem is that the economy stops people who want to reproduce from reproducing, contributing to misery
11:38 immibis; but instead of looking for actual problems, it's somehow always the jews' fault, or black people
11:38 schestowitz-TR; more so women afaik
11:39 TR News; It's not SMART https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-to-escape-the-smartphone-duopoly-of-apple-google-with-sailfish-os/
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11:39 TR Bot; How to Escape The Smartphone Duopoly of Apple & Google with Sailfish OS
11:40 schestowitz-TR; immibis: some people dread living without a "phone" ^
11:40 schestowitz-TR; or without a "HI!" phone
11:41 schestowitz-TR; the strongest form of protest or rejection of "the system" is to not give a shit and not submit to it
11:41 schestowitz-TR; their definition of "success" is not beneficial to you
11:42 schestowitz-TR; but to the system's perpetrators/beneficiaries
11:42 schestowitz-TR; when you stop giving a shit they have almost no power over you
11:42 DaemonFC; Poor people have a lot of kids because they're usually not smart enough to know or care how that will effect them.
11:42 DaemonFC; And they don't learn the lesson the first time, and keep going.
11:43 schestowitz-TR; no
11:43 DaemonFC; And because the welfare state hides the fact that it really costs over a million and a half dollars to raise a criminal who picks up a gun.
11:43 schestowitz-TR; you over-simplify it
11:43 schestowitz-TR; with tropes
11:43 schestowitz-TR; eating healthy is hard
11:43 schestowitz-TR; it's more expensive
11:43 schestowitz-TR; having sex without getting pregnant, esp. in poor countries, is not easy
11:43 schestowitz-TR; abortions notwithstanding
11:43 DaemonFC; Do you know what a criminal trial costs so that Jimmy In-and-Out can clog up the courts and prisons later?
11:43 DaemonFC; Those aren't cheap. The trials or the prisons.
11:44 schestowitz-TR; so you are blaming poor people for their poverty
11:44 DaemonFC; A lot of it is their fault.
11:44 schestowitz-TR; since you're gay you don't have this problem
11:44 DaemonFC; If they'd get off her and plan their future better, they could just buy a fucking car instead of financing a 1995 at a pay here lot for 30% interest.
11:44 DaemonFC; Then complaining that their life is all going wrong for some strange reason.
11:45 schestowitz-TR; the system does it to them
11:45 schestowitz-TR; and reinforces it
11:45 schestowitz-TR; more so in the US
11:45 DaemonFC; O RLY!?
11:45 schestowitz-TR; because it's a cruel system
11:45 schestowitz-TR; not even basic health needs covered
11:45 DaemonFC; The system forces them to fuck and sign up for welfare?
11:45 DaemonFC; Do the send the police in to enforce that by law?
11:46 schestowitz-TR; afaik, you too signed up for it
11:46 DaemonFC; If you don't have the money, don't have the kids.
11:46 schestowitz-TR; the poor poor-shamer
11:46 schestowitz-TR; who shames people for crimes
11:46 DaemonFC; Don't have the damned kids.
11:46 schestowitz-TR; having got arrested himself
11:46 schestowitz-TR; and who files for bankruptcy
11:46 schestowitz-TR; to avoid paying about 100k dollars in debt
11:46 DaemonFC; More than that.
11:46 DaemonFC; But, here's the thing.
11:46 schestowitz-TR; but...
11:47 DaemonFC; I knew that it was possible to right the ship if I filed then and there.
11:47 DaemonFC; Before Mandy started earning a bunch of money and the trustee says "Well, you have something now, so I'm taking that.".
11:48 DaemonFC; If I filed a few months later, then no. They would have taken something for the bill collectors from somewhere.
11:48 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: telex has been very busy lately
11:48 schestowitz-TR; in English too
11:48 schestowitz-TR; you recommended the site
11:48 schestowitz-TR; escapees of the Orban-stolen portal
11:48 schestowitz-TR; inde.hu?
11:48 schestowitz-TR; *index
11:48 DaemonFC; I could also just stay judgment proof.
11:49 DaemonFC; It's not that difficult to tie up your creditors until doomsday even without filing bankruptcy.
11:49 immibis; DaemonFC: should only wealthy people reproduce?
11:49 immibis; DaemonFC: how much does it cost to raise a productive member of society? Negative cost, right?
11:49 DaemonFC; The government should quit subsidizing it. It's undesirable.
11:49 schestowitz-TR; fore the "superior genes"? :-)
11:49 kingoffrance; +1 believe that was roughly the correct usage of doomsday
11:49 DaemonFC; It causes pollution and unemployment.
11:50 immibis; in my experience, people like DaemonFC typically do want eugenics with extra steps
11:50 DaemonFC; Moreover, if people had fewer kids, wages would go up.
11:50 DaemonFC; Without a million people waiting for your job where you came from, employers couldn't threaten it.
11:50 schestowitz-TR; no
11:50 immibis; I have seen birth rates described as a supply-and-demand problem, yes. Should people be created only when there is a demand for them?
11:50 schestowitz-TR; the production is elsewhere
11:50 DaemonFC; Which is why they like the status quo.
11:50 schestowitz-TR; already
11:50 schestowitz-TR; [10:26] <techrights-news> "China was seen as the major enemy. Despite Chinas helpful role in enabling corporate America to drive down labors wage rates by de-industrializing the U.S." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/08/the-dollar-devours-the-euro/
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11:50 TR Bot; Dollar Devours the Euro - CounterPunch.org
11:50 immibis; Is there a demand for DaemonFC ?
11:51 DaemonFC; They just tell the politicians to keep doing what they're doing.
11:51 DaemonFC; They can make the have littles pay taxes so the have nots can produce a surplus of people.
11:51 schestowitz-TR; the eugenics system envisioned by euhenicists would eliminate ryan
11:51 DaemonFC; Then it drives down the wages they have to pay.
11:51 schestowitz-TR; "are you employed? no.
11:51 schestowitz-TR; "are you gay? yes"
11:51 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> the eugenics system envisioned by euhenicists would eliminate ryan
11:51 DaemonFC; Then I wouldn't be here to notice it, would I?
11:51 schestowitz-TR; "thank you. you are the weakest link, goodbye"
11:52 DaemonFC; So it's a moot point.
11:52 DaemonFC; I'm not arguing for some Nazi-style murder camps.
11:52 DaemonFC; I'm saying that, going forward, we need reforms.
11:52 immibis; DaemonFC: you seem to be wanting to control who is born and who is not born
11:52 DaemonFC; Reforms fade in over years and don't involve murdering people who are already here because of someone else's fault.
11:53 immibis; preventing certain people from being born is still eugenics and/or genocide
11:54 DaemonFC; It's hardly my fault what my parents did. Instead of finishing their job they decided to split up and go to war with each other using the courts and try playing "You owe me child support for a boob job!", "OH YEAH!? Well, I'm canceling the health insurance on the kids! Have fun with that mess!".
11:54 DaemonFC; "Your honor, we want him in contempt!" "OH YEAH!? I WANT HER IN CONTEMPT!"
11:55 schestowitz-TR; immibis: ethnic cleansing
11:55 schestowitz-TR; genocide involves a killing
11:55 schestowitz-TR; ethnics cleansing is relocation and depopulation
11:56 DaemonFC; There shouldn't just be an asset test to have a license to have kids, there should be a psychiatric test, a criminal background check, and quite a few other things, including a blood screening for high risk disease traits.
11:56 DaemonFC; I mean, like, right now it's legal for a guy who was convicted of fucking kids to have kids.
11:56 DaemonFC; Does anyone here agree that should happen?
11:56 DaemonFC; Show of hands?
11:57 DaemonFC; Where does anyone see a guy with armed robbery and sex offender list going if he has kids?
11:57 DaemonFC; Somewhere good? Show of hands?
11:57 TR News; Electricity cannot be derived from nothing though https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/08/gas-prices-are-highso-electrify
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11:57 TR Bot; Opinion | Gas Prices Are High...So Electrify | Bruce Mirken
11:58 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: by legal you mean it was not banned
11:58 schestowitz-TR; laws do not say what's allowed
11:58 schestowitz-TR; but what is not allowed
11:58 schestowitz-TR; you suggest banning many more things
11:58 DaemonFC; The Big Tent parties do not represent me. Neither one of them are proposing giving serious sex offenders the electric chair.
11:58 DaemonFC; Certainly not in Illinois.
11:58 schestowitz-TR; and many of the things you do are candidates for banning
11:58 DaemonFC; If it was up to me, anyone on there with a victim under 13 would get the electric bleachers.
11:59 schestowitz-TR; it's good you are not a politician
11:59 DaemonFC; No, politicians want votes from criminals.
12:00 DaemonFC; The party that doesn't want felons voting is the Republican Party because they know it'll be 80% Democrats.
12:00 DaemonFC; The Democrats get 80% from people with armed robbery and fucking kids.
12:00 schestowitz-TR; anyway, this isn't about tech anymore
12:00 DaemonFC; Who wants them voting? The Democrats! Who is soft on them? The Democrats!
12:00 schestowitz-TR; and your views are on the further right, not even conservative
12:00 schestowitz-TR; maybe take it to #techpol
12:01 schestowitz-TR; where you can take to another bigot
12:01 schestowitz-TR; *talk
12:01 DaemonFC; So you think Rick Jones should be at his mom's house in Arizona and not on a watch list?
12:01 DaemonFC; Is that justice?
12:01 schestowitz-TR; you just spew out Trumpist lis
12:01 schestowitz-TR; *lies
12:01 DaemonFC; Not a day in prison.
12:01 schestowitz-TR; insinuating Democrats are the "criminals' party"
12:01 schestowitz-TR; take it to another channel
12:02 schestowitz-TR; you ruin this one
12:02 DaemonFC; If the Democrats lose the Governor's office in Illinois somehow they had it coming.
12:03 DaemonFC; They've lurched things too far to the left for the state's voters and that's one of the offices they can't rig like Orban did in Hungary.
12:03 TR News; COVID aspects ignored or overlooked by MSM https://www.projectcensored.org/homeless-students-further-marginalized-by-covid-19/ https://www.projectcensored.org/global-displacement-of-covid-orphans-the-pandemics-hidden-consequence/
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12:04 DaemonFC; Most people living here have no choice at all in who represents them. The districts were so rigged by the Democrats that over 80% won't even have an opposing candidate filing to run.
12:04 DaemonFC; The "Democratic" party.
12:04 schestowitz-TR; ----> #techpol
12:05 DaemonFC; This is what Stallman would have you believe is a red state problem.
12:05 DaemonFC; A state that has lost its legitimacy and deserves to have its laws ignored because people have no choice in who writes them.
12:05 TR News; "Nearly every rumor about NSO Group has been proven true, despite plenty of early denials by the (oh, I guess well be nice) embattled malware" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/08/nso-confirms-it-gave-israeli-police-access-to-malware-to-spy-on-israelis/
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12:05 TR Bot; Confirms It Gave Israeli Police Access To Malware To Spy On Israelis | Techdirt
12:07 DaemonFC; If you handed map making to a computer program and told it just to respect city and county borders in making the map and to respect communities with similar interests and that everything had to be compact and contiguous, the Democrats would lose a minimum of 1/5th of their seats in the state House.
12:08 DaemonFC; So what they do is they look at how people vote and then they draw all of these "Goofy kicking Donald Duck" and "Homer Simpson" shaped districts that have nothing in common.
12:09 DaemonFC; Even within the counties, right, there's room to have a computer program draw the most unfair districts possible to push out every member for the opposing party and it can be unanimously Democrat, or close to it.
12:09 DaemonFC; That's what they've done. I go to vote, and there's usually a ballot full of no choices at all.
12:10 DaemonFC; If you even mark something you're saying you're okay with this.
12:10 activelow; the idea, secret individual elections were the equivalent of democracy, this was considered "19th century liberalism" and weak, by Carl Schmitt; just cought up reading a little
12:10 DaemonFC; This is like playing on Cheat Mode so there's no possibility that you MIGHT lose.
12:11 DaemonFC; I don't play games on cheat mode because they're fucking boring.
12:11 DaemonFC; The fun comes from the possibility that you might lose.
12:13 DaemonFC; Most of them started having cheat modes as either a development tool just to make sure the levels worked or changing the binary at runtime to disregard hitscans and break ammo counters and stuff.
12:13 DaemonFC; So, the fact that they had an industry selling games and an industry selling Game Genie systems tells you something. It's the self-esteem movement.
12:13 DaemonFC; Everyone's really good at something when there's no way to lose. Imagine that.
12:14 DaemonFC; People don't thrive in environments with no challenges.
12:14 DaemonFC; They stagnate. They become stupid. They settle for less.
12:15 DaemonFC; Then once people are stupid and stagnant and they get away with that, they pass it along in shitty parenting.
12:15 DaemonFC; Most people simply aren't going to be good parents, and many of those people won't even do the bare minimum in all tasks that are required of them.
12:16 DaemonFC; So instead of perpetuating vicious cycles due to some sense of wanting to call yourself a liberal, why not reform the system and say this is not good.
12:16 activelow; reform? how?
12:17 *activelow hesitates to cite some more of his recent findings
12:17 DaemonFC; My parents weren't poor, so they wouldn't fail by that measure, but if the state investigated them and went rooting through my dad's porn collection and the fact that he wouldn't even give my mother an allowance out of her own money, they would have seen enough to know things weren't right in that house.
12:18 DaemonFC; If they audited their tax returns, they would have known that they weren't honest people. They were willing to commit perjury to further tax evasion.
12:19 DaemonFC; Anyway, kids are always punished for what their parents do.
12:20 DaemonFC; So giving bad people the privilege of having kids just punishes the kids. The parents won't give a shit because the state does nothing except give them money for doing it.
12:21 DaemonFC; I wouldn't even call this eugenics, just more like common sense.
12:21 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR acts like I'm some kind of Nazi that would even exclude myself from my own rules.
12:22 activelow; psychological tests, at best confirm a burgeouse facade, compliance with government testing
12:22 DaemonFC; The fact that my parents had the right to have kids came from a government that was way too liberal, and it should never have been allowed.
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12:24 DaemonFC; I don't think people should show up with guns and say "You must be this tall to go on living.". Figuratively speaking. That would be the Nazi platform. The first thing the Nazis did was kill anyone that they thought would be more liability than asset and call it a "mercy".
12:24 DaemonFC; They didn't ask any of those people if they wanted to die. They didn't even care about or try to make it painless.
12:25 DaemonFC; In fact, our system goes to the other extreme. It won't allow people to die if they want too, if they're in a lot of pain and their life is going very badly.
12:25 DaemonFC; If you say it, you'll get committed. Even if you're 103 with end stage cancer.
12:26 DaemonFC; *to
12:26 DaemonFC; <activelow> psychological tests, at best confirm a burgeouse facade, compliance with government testing
12:26 DaemonFC; There are people who have obvious psychological problems. But in many cases it's another form of social control. Just less harsh than the prison system.
12:27 DaemonFC; I don't agree with hate crime laws because they create political prisoners. That's another form of social control.
12:27 TR News; "Cops lie." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/07/bar-security-camera-exposes-off-duty-officers-lies-about-their-unprovoked-assault-of-another-bar-patron/
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12:28 TR News; TSAs threat assessment https://papersplease.org/wp/2022/04/08/amtrak-gave-train-reservations-to-the-tsa-for-a-profiling-test/
12:28 TR Bot; Amtrak gave train reservations to the TSA for a profiling test Papers, Please!
12:28 DaemonFC; They're just something that gets tossed in out of some sort of petty spite from "society" that has chosen to elevate some people above the rest due to a list of things.
12:29 DaemonFC; "Oh, you killed him. Here's 50 years. But he happened to be gay, you didn't know that, but here's another 20 because you're obviously a Trump voter."
12:30 DaemonFC; The only people who support hate crimes laws are the people who are elevated above the rest of society by them somehow.
12:30 TR News; Microsoft https://torrentfreak.com/dmca-notices-took-down-19276-github-projects-last-year-220408/
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12:30 TR Bot; Notices Took Down 19,276 GitHub Projects Last year * TorrentFreak
12:30 TR News; "Major Hollywood studios and Netflix have asked the European Commission for assistance in their global anti-piracy fight" https://torrentfreak.com/mpa-asks-eu-for-iptv-torrents-piracy-support-services-crackdown-220408/
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12:30 TR Bot; Asks EU For IPTV, Torrents & Piracy Support Services Crackdown * TorrentFreak
12:31 activelow; DaemonFC: once hate crime laws are necessary, they are probably useless
12:32 WanderleiN; putins piracy support already paid out for the mpa
12:32 DaemonFC; They just put more pressure on people to plea bargain to a shitty deal to make the hate crime enhancement go away. Then liberals say plea bargaining is cruel.
12:33 DaemonFC; So the prosecutors are incentivized to find reasons why you hated a person during the commission of a crime, even if you didn't. Makes the prosecutors and police have an easy day at the office.
12:33 TR News; "We know that readers are familiar with the global chip shortage and its effects on product availability." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/08/its-almost-a-new-raspberry-pi-compute-module-4-but-not-quite/
12:33 TR Bot; Almost A New Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4. But Not Quite | Hackaday
12:33 DaemonFC; Then when a black guy kills a gay man, what happens?
12:33 DaemonFC; It wasn't a hate crime. You don't charge black people with hate crime.
12:34 DaemonFC; So, then there's even more double standards.
12:34 DaemonFC; It's positively Orwellian.
12:34 DaemonFC; People willfully misinterpret what I say to attack me. I'm getting used to it.
12:35 DaemonFC; I didn't say Matthew Garrett shouldn't own a bike and have somewhere to ride it.
12:35 DaemonFC; I said it shouldn't be on the street with cars where he can complain if someone doors him while he's not looking.
12:35 DaemonFC; It should be on a path off to the side somewhere, where cars don't go.
12:36 DaemonFC; But you take "bikes shouldn't be on the road because it creates hazards for everyone" and you say, "Oh he hates bicycles, the Earth, and wants pollution!".
12:37 DaemonFC; Most American cities are big enough to build a bike path away from the road, cheaply.
12:37 DaemonFC; Why isn't it happening?
12:37 activelow; because it isn't possible for cheap in most cities
12:37 DaemonFC; They want people to feel like they'll definitely be killed at some point if they bike on the road, and they're right!
12:37 DaemonFC; They probably will be!
12:38 DaemonFC; And it'll be some Mexican that panics that they'll get caught by ICE and speeds off if it happens where I live, most of the time.
12:39 WanderleiN; DaemonFC are you chat bot?
12:39 DaemonFC; No.
12:40 DaemonFC; <activelow> because it isn't possible for cheap in most cities
12:40 DaemonFC; It is. For what they charge in taxes in San Francisco, Matthew Garrett should be mad if they can't figure this out.
12:40 DaemonFC; Crooked politicians always figure out a way to jack up taxes and give you nothing.
12:44 DaemonFC; Every time you ask what they're doing with the taxes they already take from you, they switch to saying they just need more and don't worry with what they're spending the money they have on.
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12:59 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub the King of DMCA Censorship (Removing Free Software) | Techrights
13:05 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK9Y-a1-6JU
13:05 TR Bot; https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=rK9Y-a1-6JU
13:05 TR Bot; reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=rK9Y-a1-6JU )
13:05 DaemonFC; The fact that it was designed before liberals in California set fuel economy standards.
13:05 DaemonFC; Like the Ford Vulcan and Modular V8.
13:05 TR News; Twitter is s dying platform. Now it's just storytelling to keep investors from fleeing https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/08/checking-in-on-twitters-attempt-to-move-to-protocols-instead-of-platforms/
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13:06 TR News; "Some (mainly Democrats) are trying to push for companies to remove more content. Some (mainly Republicans) are pushing companies to stop removing certain kinds of content" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/08/state-legislators-are-demanding-websites-moderate-less-and-moderate-more-federal-law-prohibits-both/
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13:06 TR Bot; Legislators Are Demanding Websites Moderate Less AND Moderate More; Federal Law Prohibits Both | Techdirt
13:06 DaemonFC; The 3800 V6 gets plenty of MPG on the highway.
13:06 TR News; What a free country... https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/08/1100-banned-books-across-26-states-report-shows-shocking-censorship
13:06 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/08/1100-banned-books-across-26-states-report-shows-shocking-censorship https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/08/1100-banned-books-across-26-states-report-shows-shocking-censorship
13:07 TR Bot; 1,100+ Banned Books Across 26 States: Report Shows 'Shocking' Censorship
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13:08 DaemonFC; The guy talks about the Stealership service department, schestowitz-TR
13:08 DaemonFC; Telling the guy he's got a huge oil leak. So he takes it to his usual mechanic and it's not leaking anywhere.
13:09 DaemonFC; Dealers do this ALL THE TIME. You want the most crooked repair shop, it's probably not a Car-X or a Meineke.
13:09 DaemonFC; It's probably the dealer.
13:09 TR News; Notice the very high acceptance ratio; Microsoft loves open source like it loves the OSI in its back pocket and inside the bin http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/microsoft-github-is-censorship/
13:09 DaemonFC; They don't actually make good margins on sales, so they start padding repair bills and making up work that doesn't even need to be done.
13:09 DaemonFC; I had a Ford dealer tell me my whole suspension looked awful on the Crown Victoria and it would cost me thousands to repair and that I needed a new car.
13:10 DaemonFC; So I drove it over to the shop and got it on the lift and looked at EVERYTHING on the suspension.
13:10 DaemonFC; No trouble at all except for two front ball joints that had gone dry, and cost me $150 total to fix.
13:11 TR News; "As an industry, we're still having the same problems that we used to have in the 80's. Agile has been around for 20 years now, but why isn't agile itself agile? It hasn't changed in 20 years. Many companies use agile ad something tacked on like cardboard spoilers on a bad car." gemini://jfh.me/posts/2019-07-28-grows-notes.gmi
13:11 DaemonFC; That was Southworth Ford in Marion, Indiana that told me the whole suspension was bad when I came in with an oil change coupon.
13:12 DaemonFC; Then Pace Chevrolet in Huntington, Indiana told someone I know that they needed $3,000 worth of work, so they paid for it, and then when they had it in another shop, the mechanic there told him the original parts were still on the car, which the dealership claimed to have replaced.
13:14 DaemonFC; Dealership service is the worst and they are using proprietary software now to enforce a monopoly so you can't go anywhere else even if you want to.
13:14 DaemonFC; WIth the 2008 Buick, I can keep going to Car-X.
13:14 DaemonFC; A lot of the parts on it are the same exact fit as on the 2003 Impala.
13:14 DaemonFC; But if I go to the dealer, they want $500 an hour. Why?
13:14 DaemonFC; Because if you have a 2022 Buick, you have to go to the dealer.
13:14 DaemonFC; Even after the warranty is over, because of the software.
13:14 DaemonFC; So $150 an hour to go to Car-X or $500 an hour for the dealer.
13:15 DaemonFC; Then you pray to God the dealer isn't ripping you off and billing you for things they don't even do.
13:15 TR News; "For years, weve noted how telecom and media giants have been trying to force big tech to give them huge sums of money for no reason." ttps://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/08/streaming-providers-tell-fcc-that-taxing-streaming-tv-would-be-dumb/
13:16 DaemonFC; Then they're always bragging you only get "factory trained" technicians at the dealer. The factory might be training a 25 year old mechanic to work on their newer models, but not on things from the 80s and 90s.
13:16 TR News; "Firewalls. You know, boring old IT stuff." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/08/watchguard-plays-the-ostrich-patches-exploit-without-informing-customers
13:16 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/08/watchguard-plays-the-ostrich-patches-exploit-without-informing-customers https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/08/watchguard-plays-the-ostrich-patches-exploit-without-informing-customers
13:16 TR Bot; Plays The Ostrich, Patches Exploit Without Informing Customers | Techdirt
13:17 TR News; Taming Starbucks https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-workers-have-filed-to-unionize-200-stores
13:17 Alternative link; CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-workers-have-filed-to-unionize-200-stores https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-workers-have-filed-to-unionize-200-stores
13:17 TR Bot; Starbucks Workers Have Filed to Unionize 200 Stores
13:18 DaemonFC; For some reason, they still leave Walmart alone.
13:18 DaemonFC; Almost like they have a deal or something.
13:18 DaemonFC; Nobody has tried to organize a Walmart store since Walmart closed the entire store down the last time.
13:19 schestowitz-TR; Walmart lost money then
13:19 schestowitz-TR; then do it again
13:19 schestowitz-TR; and again
13:19 schestowitz-TR; and Walmart might realise it's better to reach some compromise
13:20 DaemonFC; Sam Walton said he'd shut down every store and go out of business before he allowed a union in.
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13:21 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, It's almost like a cult.
13:22 DaemonFC; All of the management style of Sam Walton is still taught to all managers there today.
13:22 DaemonFC; If you go into a Chinese Walmart, there's a huge Sam Walton staring at you.
13:22 DaemonFC; He's been dead for 30 years.
13:22 DaemonFC; They didn't embalm him like Lenin, but I mean....
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13:32 Ariadne; its okay, they preserved his ford f-150 truck, and have it on display at the walmart museum
13:32 DaemonFC; Nice.
13:32 DaemonFC; I actually like the GM engines better in one way.
13:33 DaemonFC; If a coil pack goes bad, it is RIGHT THERE and all you have to do is unscrew it and buy one for like $30 and put it back on.
13:33 DaemonFC; It's usually right there and you don't even have to fumble to get to it.
13:35 DaemonFC; Ariadne, I thought about just keeping the Impala around as sort of a spare car for a while after I get the Buick.
13:35 DaemonFC; Other than the electrical glitch that happens maybe once or twice a year for a few seconds, it's not really doing anything wrong.
13:35 DaemonFC; It has 281,000 miles on it right now.
13:36 DaemonFC; I asked mom why she got rid of that red 1968 Buick with the V8 and she said my dad wouldn't let her have any of her own money so she couldn't even afford to get the license plates renewed.
13:37 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, All this old stuff runs for damned near forever if you just keep it serviced.
13:37 DaemonFC; You'll absolutely never see that again.
13:37 DaemonFC; Newer machines are trash.
13:39 DaemonFC; That mechanic is right. The engines GM replaced the 3800 V6 with are trash trash trash.
13:39 DaemonFC; Mom's sounds like there's a spun bearing in there rattling around.
13:39 DaemonFC; It only has 140,000 miles on it!
13:39 DaemonFC; That's half of the 2003's and the 2003 is purring like a kitten.
13:41 DaemonFC; The only reason GM could have for the absolute travesty that are the 3.6 and 3.5 V6 engines are that they're so unreliable that you'll be back to buy a new car, because apparently a lot of people like her get burned over and over and never learn a damned thing.
13:41 DaemonFC; Like they're being cheated and they should just find the latest model year that still worked okay and drive that.
13:42 DaemonFC; It's almost never a major part of the 3800 V6 that needs attention, especially the later ones (Series III) with the improved connecting rods.
13:42 DaemonFC; It's always some stupid peripheral part like a sensor or EGR valve or a gasket maybe.
13:43 DaemonFC; It's almost never the engine. Just technically the engine.
13:43 DaemonFC; Aluminum, which is in the newer engines, doesn't belong anywhere near an engine.
13:43 DaemonFC; It's an engine designed by politicians in California that's all aluminum.
13:44 DaemonFC; It's not a man's engine.
13:44 DaemonFC; It's not an engine that says "I'm an engine! Give me your best shot! I can take it!".
13:44 DaemonFC; It's some wimpy liberal engine.
13:45 DaemonFC; It saves you like a few tanks of gas over the life of the car, which is 1/3rd of what an engine made of steel and cast iron would do.
13:45 DaemonFC; Fucking California Air Resource Board.
13:46 DaemonFC; Trump was absolutely right in getting rid of CARB's waiver. People are now heading for a disaster where they can't even afford a ride to work and back because of California and Biden.
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13:49 DaemonFC; Another nice thing you find out about with tiny cars is that when the mechanic has to disassemble half the piece of shit to replace an alternator or something, you pay him for another 2-3 hours.
13:49 DaemonFC; So you never save enough money on a new car for any improvement in gas mileage.
13:49 DaemonFC; You just pay in unreliability and repair costs, and then way too soon, another car.
13:50 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, It's not just Apple.
13:51 DaemonFC; It's a disposable society where "men" can't even change an air filter or a spark plug.
13:52 DaemonFC; Spark plugs aren't even difficult anymore usually. Many times, you don't even need a gap tool anymore. You just remove the old ones, put the new ones in.
13:52 DaemonFC; Ariadne, I did learn something though.
13:52 WanderleiN; why would you want to do that?
13:53 DaemonFC; Don't put Iridium spark plugs in the 3800 V6 if you want your old coil packs to work much longer.
13:53 DaemonFC; Those forums I was reading are right. I did it, and it finished off the original coil packs. I had to replace them all.
13:53 DaemonFC; But it was only like $90 to do that.
13:54 DaemonFC; <WanderleiN> why would you want to do that?
13:54 DaemonFC; Do some jobs yourself?
13:54 DaemonFC; Because when you see a shop saying $100 to change an engine air filter, and you don't want to pay $100 to change an engine air filter when you can do it in 5 minutes with a $8 filter and a screwdriver.
13:55 DaemonFC; I had to replace the cabin air filter on the 2003 as well, and that's not difficult. It had never been done though.
13:56 DaemonFC; I found a bunch of seed pods and twigs from trees, three old cigarette butts, and a mound of dirt on top of the old one. I had to shove a vacuum cleaner into it before I took it out so I wouldn't drop any onto the blower motor.
13:56 WanderleiN; platinum spark plugs aree the best
13:57 DaemonFC; Yeah, double platinums.
13:57 DaemonFC; The Crown Victoria liked them.
13:57 DaemonFC; Iridiums last longer, but they put too much resistance on the ignition system.
13:57 WanderleiN; who?
13:57 DaemonFC; You can risk frying the ignition control module and the coil packs.
13:58 DaemonFC; They do run so hot that it's hard to foul them up with carbon deposits though.
13:58 DaemonFC; So they're marketed as "self-cleaning".
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13:59 DaemonFC; Honestly, I'm not sure whether it's better to just leave those alone, because the benefit is you'll never have to change your spark plugs again, but the downside is that they can cause failure that travels up the ignition system.
14:00 DaemonFC; It's cheaper to just plan on replacing the platinum plugs once more during the life of the car than it is to replace an ignition control module and all of your coil packs.
14:00 DaemonFC; Manufacturers are putting iridium plugs on as OE, because they want it to last 100,000 trouble-free miles or so and then start acting up after you sell it.
14:01 WanderleiN; they shoot down a mig Fulcrum
14:02 DaemonFC; If the car came with Platinum plugs, I'd leave it alone until the odometer reaches about 125,000 miles.
14:02 DaemonFC; Unless you have a reason, like one fouls up, then you replace all of them.
14:02 DaemonFC; Unless it has a turbocharger.
14:03 DaemonFC; Then you want to do it every 50,000 miles or so or else it's going to start losing performance and pinging.
14:04 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163536
14:04 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
14:05 DaemonFC; Turbos are so much more trouble than they're worth.
14:05 DaemonFC; MinceR, I doubt anyone reports on what the failure rate of a Hyndai THETA II Turbo is.
14:05 DaemonFC; Guessing it's not pretty.
14:06 DaemonFC; *Hyundai
14:06 DaemonFC; "We took one of the worst engines ever designed and put a German turbocharger in it. Let's see what happens!"
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14:14 DaemonFC; Stupid wifi.
14:15 immibis; DaemonFC: Do you always want to give the electric chair to people you don't like?
14:15 DaemonFC; WanderleiN, As long as you keep an eye on the 3800 V6, you shouldn't ever have any serious trouble with it until it's well past its prime.
14:15 immibis; you know, a black person asked me today if I had weed (apparently I just look like that). should he have been given the electric chair?
14:15 DaemonFC; You need to watch for leaking intake gaskets, oil drippage through the pan gasket, that sort of thing.
14:15 immibis; schestowitz-TR: I think preventing people of a certain race from reproducing is also considered genocide
14:16 DaemonFC; As long as you watch your fluid levels, and don't just ask someone at the shop to keep an eye on it, you should be okay.
14:16 immibis; DaemonFC: You really don't trust the state, at all, and yet you think the state should determine who's allowed to reproduce?
14:16 DaemonFC; When the intake gaskets start leaking coolant, it's usually a drip leak. As long as you keep a spare bottle of 50/50 in the trunk you can just top it off and drive back home and get into the shop that week.
14:17 DaemonFC; <immibis> DaemonFC: You really don't trust the state, at all, and yet you think the state should determine who's allowed to reproduce?
14:17 DaemonFC; If the state set higher standards, eventually better people would be running the state too.
14:17 DaemonFC; Because they'd have to impress people that don't depend on it, which would be a fundamental shift from vote buying.
14:17 immibis; hate crime is when you kill a gay man BECAUSE he's a gay man, not just when you kill a man who happens to be gay
14:18 DaemonFC; Wrong
14:18 DaemonFC; You'll get some lazy cops and lazy prosecutors who want a high conviction rate.
14:18 DaemonFC; They'll find out he happened to be gay and add it to the charges.
14:18 DaemonFC; And then they'll scare you into signing a potentially false confession.
14:18 immibis; what the absolute fuck is that thing you said about wimpy liberal engines containing aluminium
14:19 immibis; and "men"
14:19 immibis; the masculinity thing is far-right
14:19 DaemonFC; They're just really weak engines that can't stand up to basic wear and tear, and they're designed by wimpy California liberals who want the stupid thing to get 1 mpg more gas mileage.
14:19 DaemonFC; And take away 2/3rds of the service life of the engine to get it.
14:20 immibis; aluminium is also cheaper than steel, isn't it?
14:20 immibis; oh no, it's not
14:20 DaemonFC; We switched from aluminum to cast iron in a factory I worked at.
14:20 immibis; DaemonFC: You want to begin fixing this problem by having the state prevent undesirables from reproducing
14:20 DaemonFC; Because we were having too many parts come back under warranty for the aluminum warping under heat.
14:21 DaemonFC; And so we put the cast iron parts in and our return rate fell to less than 1/10th of what it was with the aluminum.
14:21 kingoffrance; enlightenment was the people are the state. so noone is doing that anymore
14:21 immibis; maybe don't make parts out of aluminium that need to withstand heat without warping. making the parts out of aluminium that don't need to do that, however, is based.
14:21 immibis; material selection is a thing
14:21 DaemonFC; Well, the first thing to go to shit was the engine's block heads.
14:21 immibis; some parts need to resist heat, other parts don't but are useful if lighter-weight
14:22 DaemonFC; They did aluminum heads and a cast iron block.
14:22 DaemonFC; And then head gasket failure almost always meant warped block heads too.
14:22 immibis; that's basically just what apple did with iphones
14:22 DaemonFC; Which meant rebuilding the top of the engine when the gasket failed and the overheat happened.
14:22 DaemonFC; Then they replaced the entire block with aluminum.
14:22 DaemonFC; Now if it overheats, what you usually do is buy a used engine and hope it doesn't happen again to that one.
14:23 WanderleiN; if it over heats move to alaska
14:23 immibis; build your own instead of complaining. it's a free market. convert your car to electric
14:23 immibis; lead-acid electric lul
14:23 immibis; then you can have all the weight you want
14:24 DaemonFC; I used to run the 1996 Crown Victoria on 0w20 motor oil.
14:24 DaemonFC; But Ford's engineers went back and said you could do it on anything as old as the 1992 model year for that engine.
14:24 DaemonFC; But it would destroy the old 5 liter V8 on the 1991 and older.
14:24 DaemonFC; 0w20 is not appropriate for the Buick 3800 V6.
14:24 DaemonFC; I run it on 0w30 and it works fine.
14:25 immibis; you should try running it on gasoline
14:25 immibis; i hear it works better
14:25 DaemonFC; I switch between Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Platinum 0w30 depending on which is on sale.
14:25 DaemonFC; Well, I mean, as far as oil goes. There's an entire site dedicated to which oil for what engine.
14:26 DaemonFC; GM never said it was okay to use 0w30 in this engine, but it's fine.
14:26 TR News; "In its default configuration, KDEs Gitlab CI will only consider compilation or license validation failures a failure of the CI job, which follows what the previous Jenkins-based system did. Unit test failures would be shown in the results of a job, but would not be considered fatal and stop integration." https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2022/04/09/kde-ci-required-unit-tests.html
14:26 TR Bot; Requiring passing unit tests on KDE's CI
14:26 DaemonFC; I've not only never had a problem with it, I sent some to the lab to compare with how 5w30 looked after being used.
14:26 DaemonFC; There's actually less engine wear using the 0w30, even when you don't change it as often.
14:27 immibis; DaemonFC: have you considered driving a human-sized quadcopter instead of a car?
14:27 DaemonFC; Old people think you need to change your oil all the time.
14:27 DaemonFC; If you use a proper synthetic oil and a good filter, and you don't drive the car more than 7,500 miles per year, you should only need one oil change a year or so.
14:27 immibis; isn't once a year basically all the time?
14:28 DaemonFC; People are wasting billions and billions of dollars on excessive oil changes.
14:28 immibis; how often do most people change it?
14:28 immibis; if not once a year or so?
14:28 DaemonFC; Not to mention what happens to all of that used motor oil. It goes to a recycling facility, but....that's not totally efficient and consumes energy to recycle it.
14:29 DaemonFC; Well, many people still go to shops that say every 3 months or 3,000 miles.
14:29 TR News; "Notepadqq is an amazing text editor. It is promoted as an editor designed by developers, for developers. Notepadqq is free to use and open-source text editor that has support for almost 100 languages." https://itsubuntu.com/how-to-install-notepadqq-on-linux/
14:29 TR Bot; To Install NotepadQQ On Linux [Updated] | Itsubuntu.com
14:29 DaemonFC; And that's actually outdated, from when cars ran on conventional oil, and even then most manuals said that was the severe schedule for towing things or using them as police or taxi cars.
14:29 WanderleiN; they runned the a360 using biodiesel
14:29 TR News; You didn't expect "drone" and "open" on the FSF's site. Updated today: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/OpenDroneMap
14:29 TR Bot; OpenDroneMap - Free Software Directory
14:30 immibis; NZ has this system where everyone brings their car in twice a year for whatever happens to need to be done at that time. but that's communism
14:30 DaemonFC; So like, if you pay a shop to do an oil change, a full synthetic change should not cost more than $45-50. Most have coupons.
14:30 DaemonFC; Just do it annually.
14:30 WanderleiN; https://newatlas.com/aircraft/airbus-a380-biofuel-first-flight/
14:30 Alternative link; CloudFlare: newatlas.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://newatlas.com/aircraft/airbus-a380-biofuel-first-flight/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://newatlas.com/aircraft/airbus-a380-biofuel-first-flight/
14:30 TR Bot; Airbus flies A380 passenger jet on 100% biofuel for the first time
14:31 DaemonFC; If you do conventional and change it every 3 months, you're going to spend about $140 a year on oil changes.
14:31 DaemonFC; So you're basically handing another $100 to the shop and your car is no better off for it.
14:31 DaemonFC; If you do it for 20 years, you've wasted over $2,000.
14:31 DaemonFC; People don't see how small things add up and then they ARE poor.
14:32 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR totally doesn't get that.
14:32 DaemonFC; Like, why does mom make half again as much money as me and my spouse and why is she always broke?
14:32 DaemonFC; When she lives in a cheaper part of the country, to boot!
14:33 TR News; Wine 7.6 out now with more PE conversion work, Mono updated http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163522#comment-33315
14:33 TR Bot; WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 7.6 is now available. | Tux Machines
14:33 MinceR; 09 150644 < DaemonFC> "We took one of the worst engines ever designed and put a German turbocharger in it. Let's see what happens!"
14:33 MinceR; lol
14:33 MinceR; 09 124822 < schestowitz-TR> MinceR: telex has been very busy lately
14:34 MinceR; yeah, they've been covering a war and a pretend "election"
14:34 MinceR; 09 124844 < schestowitz-TR> inde.hu?
14:34 MinceR; yes, index.hu
14:34 DaemonFC; MinceR, I was looking at what it would cost to supercharge the engine in the Buick if I buy it.
14:34 DaemonFC; Too much, but it would be a fun car.
14:35 DaemonFC; $1,700 for parts and about $600-700 in labor.
14:35 DaemonFC; It would go from 200 horsepower to 260 horsepower.
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14:36 TR News; "We are back with our usual monthly update! Boiling Steam looks at the latest data dumps from ProtonDB to give you a quick list of new games that work (pretty much?) perfectly with Proton since March 2022 all of them work out of the box or well enough with tweaks..." https://boilingsteam.com/7-new-games-with-proton-april-2022/
14:36 TR Bot; Top 7 New Games to Play on Linux with Proton April 2022 Edition - Boiling Steam
14:36 DaemonFC; The system runs off exhaust gas pressure and uses it to force more clean air in through the intake.
14:36 DaemonFC; But it needs a lot of new parts and software to manage that.
14:37 WanderleiN; why does apt stalls after a repo fails to connect and doesn't continue to next repo?
14:37 DaemonFC; I've never had that happen.
14:37 DaemonFC; Although I have noticed that both APT and DNF are less of a piece of shit lately.
14:38 TR News; Godfall Ultimate Edition seems to run well on GNU/Linux and Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/godfall-ultimate-edition-seems-to-run-well-on-linux-and-steam-deck/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
14:38 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/godfall-ultimate-edition-seems-to-run-well-on-linux-and-steam-deck/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/godfall-ultimate-edition-seems-to-run-well-on-linux-and-steam-deck/
14:38 TR Bot; Ultimate Edition seems to run well on Linux and Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
14:38 DaemonFC; DNF got libsolv and automatically removes orphaned packages.
14:38 WanderleiN; xanmod seems to be down
14:38 DaemonFC; There used to be an experimental YUM plug-in to handle this.
14:38 WanderleiN; and apt doesnt move on to update the debian packages
14:39 DaemonFC; Probably Fedora 36 performs better than Debian 11 for a lot of reasons.
14:39 DaemonFC; Fedora is ahead on some things like LTO by default.
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14:40 DaemonFC; So, I watched the movie "Dog" yesterday.
14:41 WanderleiN; https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/deb.xanmod.org.html
14:41 Alternative link; CloudFlare: isitdownrightnow.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/deb.xanmod.org.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/deb.xanmod.org.html
14:41 TR Bot; Deb.xanmod.org - Is Deb Down Right Now?
14:41 TR News; Raspberry Pi OS update beefs up security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163489#comment-33316
14:41 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi OS removes default "Pi" username, adds experimental support for Wayland | Tux Machines
14:41 DaemonFC; I laughed when his truck got broken into by the homeless guy and they sniffed him out using their dogs and found all his stuff in a tent under a boardwalk in San Francisco and he goes "Oh great. Some crack addict is probably snorting my migraine pills.".
14:41 WanderleiN; so why is ti down for me?
14:42 DaemonFC; Because someone stole my migraine pills off my doorstep at the motel before I could answer the door.
14:44 TR News; "You signed up for two jobs if you decided to write a book. Writing and marketing. And marketing is likely even more vital if you want people to find and read your work." https://nts.strzibny.name/one-year-of-sales/
14:44 TR Bot; One year of sales
14:45 WanderleiN; xanmod must have put me on a block list
14:45 DaemonFC; My first ex lived in a trailer park (yeah). His family was just kind of poor, but nothing worse than that. But they had a neighbor who was some total degenerate. He was a hemophiliac and he stole my ex's mom's medication out of the mail and snorted it and it gave him a nosebleed and he had the ambulance out there. It was just constant.
14:46 DaemonFC; Klonopin. That's what he snorted after stealing it from her.
14:47 WanderleiN; so thats why you became a cop?
14:47 DaemonFC; I'm not a cop.
14:48 WanderleiN; but you wiched
14:48 DaemonFC; Of course, that is exactly what a cop would say.
14:48 DaemonFC; Also, if they don't have a warrant, they're like vampires.
14:48 DaemonFC; They can't come in unless you let them in.
14:48 DaemonFC; (Or open the door and let them "see something". Or they hear someone screaming.)
14:48 WanderleiN; so they invented facebook
14:49 TR News; "Positive rating from 20,944 (at time of writing) user reviews. Always nice to see such a title running well on GNU/Linux" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/duck-game-gets-a-patch-for-proton-now-works-on-steam-deck/
14:49 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/duck-game-gets-a-patch-for-proton-now-works-on-steam-deck/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/duck-game-gets-a-patch-for-proton-now-works-on-steam-deck/
14:49 TR Bot; Game gets a patch for Proton, now works on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
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14:50 WanderleiN; instagram tik rok
14:50 WanderleiN; that way people just show them
14:50 TR News; [PATCHv2] drm/amdgpu: disable ASPM on Intel AlderLake based systems - Richard Gong https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220408190502.4103670-1-richard.gong@amd.com/ Source: amd
14:50 TR Bot; [PATCHv2] drm/amdgpu: disable ASPM on Intel AlderLake based systems - Richard Gong
14:51 DaemonFC; <WanderleiN> that way people just show them
14:51 TR News; SystemRescue 9.02 is out http://www.system-rescue.org/ https://www.system-rescue.org/Changes-x86/
14:51 Alternative link; CloudFlare: system-rescue.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.system-rescue.org/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/http://www.system-rescue.org/
14:51 TR Bot; SystemRescue - System Rescue Homepage
14:51 TR Bot; SystemRescue - ChangeLog
14:52 DaemonFC; Yeah, there was a Florida firefighter in the news for exorting a 14 year old for nude videos.
14:52 WanderleiN; i bet she looked 22
14:52 DaemonFC; Then when the cops questioned him, he admitted the entire thing, then later tried to say he was never even on Instagram or Snapchat.
14:52 DaemonFC; Or whatever it is.
14:52 DaemonFC; The one where some idiots leave that feature on that tells you where they are all the time.
14:54 WanderleiN; but can the feature really be turned off?
14:54 TR News; <li><h5><a href=""></a></h5>
14:56 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/2203275
14:56 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/MwkBRkK.jpg created on 2022-03-27 03:34:01.443365
14:58 DaemonFC; <WanderleiN> but can the feature really be turned off?
14:58 DaemonFC; The one that shows it to the public, yeah.
14:58 TR News; Dont use Reddit for Linux or BSD related questions Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163537
14:58 TR Bot; Don't use Reddit for Linux or BSD related questions | Tux Machines
14:58 TR News; Games: Proton, Godfall Ultimate Edition, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163538
14:58 TR Bot; Games: Proton, Godfall Ultimate Edition, and More | Tux Machines
14:58 WanderleiN; "Imgur is temporarily over capacity. Please try again later."
15:00 WanderleiN; MinceR broke imgur
15:02 MinceR; i didn't even use imgur today
15:02 MinceR; also, it's unreliable anyway
15:02 MinceR; and the ircz.de page serves the image without relying on imgur
15:04 WanderleiN; ircz.de is a russian supporters site
15:05 DaemonFC; "To most people, social acceptance is one of the most important driving forces of their lives. As such, social media discussion sites are mainly dominated by people who follow hype and trends. They cannot and do not think independently, and they are afraid of going against the current. If you use your brain and don't follow the hive mind, you will definitely not be liked.
15:05 DaemonFC; People who have nothing better to do than to spend most of their time on these places generally feel bad about themselves. They spend their time at these places in order to feel better, which they do by bullying, downvoting, upvoting, commenting, etc. It's actually one of the very few ways a hollow person can feel good about himself/herself.
15:05 DaemonFC; Voting systems on social media don't work. While downvotes should ideally be used to silence the completely irrelevant and useless comments, it is instead used to remove dissenting views and views that goes against the popular opinion. This leads to a form of radicalization where people are only ever exposed to the popular opinions because people with conflicting views eventually stop wasting their time on these platforms."
15:05 DaemonFC; "Basically, what you're witnessing is what you would see if you study a group of chimpanzees in a zoo."
15:05 DaemonFC; Or as I like to call it, the Code of Conduct.
15:05 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is very active on Twitter and Reddit. Hrrrm.
15:06 DaemonFC; "If you use your brain and don't follow the hive mind, you will definitely not be liked."
15:06 DaemonFC; That's always been true, even before Social Control Media.
15:06 WanderleiN; DaemonFC how can you copy paste so much text with out geting kicked for spamming?
15:06 TR News; Showing off 'gifts' from Microsoft while insisting on putting a Free project in proprietary hosting of a company which commits crimes, including mass bribery https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/04/09/more-steel/
15:06 Alternative link; CloudFlare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/04/09/more-steel/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/04/09/more-steel/
15:06 TR Bot; steel | daniel.haxx.se
15:07 DaemonFC; Chimpanzees at the zoo throwing poop at each other for mating rights with the female is essentially what most humans boil down to.
15:07 DaemonFC; I like this guy. This is like something I'd write.
15:08 kingoffrance; he's imaging there is some "law" besides popularity. religious nutcase </sarcasm>
15:08 kingoffrance; *imagining
15:08 DaemonFC; Then schestowitz-TR is mad when I agree with MinceR that most humans are worse than net neutral and we'd be better off without covering the Earth in 7 layers of them.
15:08 DaemonFC; Which is what MinceR has said repeatedly.
15:09 DaemonFC; The politicians don't mind having an army of dumbed down voters who all depend on 47 different types of welfare and 90% of that was entirely their own fault.
15:10 DaemonFC; The more hoops they can make you jump through to beg for your own tax money back, the better!
15:11 DaemonFC; But people who go further and have kids and actually cost taxpayers something more than what they themselves paid in are by far the most corrosive part of the equation.
15:12 schestowitz-TR; [15:07] <DaemonFC> Chimpanzees at the zoo throwing poop at each other for mating rights with the female is essentially what most humans boil down to.
15:12 schestowitz-TR; I know that guy !!
15:13 DaemonFC; And then the female is loving every minute of it because she's already got backup plans for when she gets tired of the winner of the poop throwing contest.
15:13 DaemonFC; See, just like humans.
15:14 DaemonFC; You add some F-350 Super Duty trucks and some dirty book stores on top of the poop throwing, you have humans.
15:16 DaemonFC; Maybe a machine gun and a missile launcher here and there.
15:16 DaemonFC; CNN putting half a screen of people killing each other in Ukraine and another half a screen for Applebee's commercials with people dancing around because of chain restaurant steaks and Miller Lite.
15:17 schestowitz-TR; SickNN
15:17 DaemonFC; But it all boils down to the poop throwing and mating rights in the end.
15:17 DaemonFC; Now you know how I see people and society in general.
15:18 immibis; DaemonFC: you are gay and yet you dislike minorities?
15:18 DaemonFC; All minorities like each other. Like Jews and Muslims.
15:18 DaemonFC; The Muslims are a minority, and they're famous for liking gays.
15:19 immibis; do you think muslims should dislike gays?
15:19 DaemonFC; Which means that, logically, I have to reciprocate for the milk of human kindness flowing from the Muslim world towards gay people.
15:19 DaemonFC; <immibis> do you think muslims should dislike gays?
15:19 immibis; if you don't think muslims should dislike gays then why do you think gays shold dislike muslims, what's the asymmetry there?
15:19 DaemonFC; I don't think that anyone is born knowing how to hate. The religion spreads through child abuse.
15:19 immibis; and if you do think muslims should dislike gays then why is that?
15:19 DaemonFC; That one especially.
15:20 DaemonFC; At least mainstream Christianity doesn't specifically condone fucking 12 year olds after you cut off part of their genitals and calling them your "wives".
15:20 DaemonFC; Muslims are known for that too. They're sick in the head. Worse than the worst Catholic priests.
15:21 DaemonFC; And we can't say that because while we have all of these "Death to America" mosques with the child fucking, it's not WOKE to say what they are doing in there.
15:21 DaemonFC; But everyone knows it. And in their own country they just murder gay people and laugh about it and it's the state doing it too or turning a blind eye to it.
15:22 DaemonFC; Bill Maher got a lot of hate from the WOKE crowd.
15:23 DaemonFC; People like those California nutcases genuinely don't want to "get" it, how "tolerating" Muslims isn't compatible with a free country where people can be gay.
15:23 DaemonFC; There is no Muslim country where people have basic human rights, and most of them don't have even the trappings of a basic democracy or elections.
15:24 DaemonFC; <immibis> and if you do think muslims should dislike gays then why is that?
15:24 DaemonFC; I think they should stop being Muslims and go get their head examined.
15:24 DaemonFC; I'd say that about people in any religion though.
15:25 DaemonFC; When people are religious then they get an entitlement mentality that goes along with it.
15:25 DaemonFC; How fucking arrogant are you anyway, that you think you're better than someone and that only your religion is right just becuase your two dumbass parents bumped uglies and that's all you ever got to hear about it and so that's what you are now.
15:25 DaemonFC; It's not even "Your religion." most likely, unless you're one of the few converts.
15:26 DaemonFC; It was IMPOSED on you before you were able to think.
15:26 DaemonFC; And Dawkins says it, not quite like that, in The God Delusion.
15:27 DaemonFC; That it's sad that people accept it when other people say "That Muslim child." or "That Christian child.".
15:28 DaemonFC; You're a brand new mind. You don't have a bullshit filter yet. It hasn't even occurred to you that your parents messed up a lot of things, don't plan to have you, and are going to die someday.
15:28 DaemonFC; So most of the time, right, the kids believe anything their parents say. Even if it's crazy!
15:29 DaemonFC; When I was 4 years old, I went over to my grandmother's house (my dad's mom) and then I came out and asked mom why there was a monster guarding the outlets and why grandma said don't flush the toilet because it's broken and why she said there was a mean dog out in the back yard so don't go there.
15:29 DaemonFC; And she was making all of that up.
15:30 DaemonFC; She didn't want to explain that you could get hurt very badly by electricity or that she just didn't want to pay the water bill or keep an eye on you if you went to play in the back yard.
15:31 DaemonFC; So, you know, then it started to dawn on me, once mom let it slip, that if your grandparents make things up because they just don't want to deal with you, maybe your parents do too.
15:32 DaemonFC; And I always felt particularly "wrong" in church.
15:32 DaemonFC; Like the bible, after that, was an entire book of "There's a monster guarding the electrical outlets, the toilet is broken, and there's a vicious dog in the yard.".
15:33 DaemonFC; By the time I was about 7 I was chronically depressed. I realized that whether it was that day, 10 years, or 90 years away, there'd be an end to me and that there'd be nothing more, and so what's the point?
15:34 DaemonFC; And I think it was 6 or 7, anyway. They started taking me to a child psychiatrist at that point.
15:34 DaemonFC; They diagnosed the inability to focus and the lack of interest in anything as "Attention Deficit Disorder".
15:36 DaemonFC; And there was just constant turmoil in the house. Parents fighting all the time, dad calling mom "fucking bitch" the horrible stench of dad's cigarettes. We'd get pets and then they'd do something mom didn't like and so they "went to live on a farm". She didn't want to walk one of them and let it out without a leash and it got hit and killed by a car.
15:36 DaemonFC; So that really helped the depression.
15:36 DaemonFC; Getting to bury my dead dog in the back yard when I was 8 because mom didn't want to walk it while I was away.
15:37 DaemonFC; So, very young age, thanks to some godawful parenting, "There is no God.".
15:38 DaemonFC; You know, adults are supposed to protect children from dealing with trauma, and my parents didn't give a shit.
15:38 DaemonFC; "Here's a shovel. Go bury your dog."
15:38 DaemonFC; "We'll get divorced in 6 years and blame you for that too!"
15:39 DaemonFC; So, what schestowitz-TR doesn't get I guess, and I think he doesn't have kids either....
15:39 MinceR; 09 160443 < WanderleiN> ircz.de is a russian supporters site
15:39 MinceR; [citation needed]
15:39 DaemonFC; Is that I'd fucking kill myself before I did as horrible a job as my parents did. Plus, I barely have enough money to keep this house going.
15:40 DaemonFC; I have pets for a good long time, you know.
15:40 DaemonFC; And mom asks me how I do it.
15:41 DaemonFC; And she gets mad when I tell her.
15:41 DaemonFC; I say, "Well, I feed them good food, and if they develop a behavior, instead of dumping them out in a field somewhere I understand the psychological reason for the behavior and redirect them.
15:42 DaemonFC; That's where spanking a child comes in, btw.
15:42 DaemonFC; You know, people do it too much because it's easier than understanding where the behavior comes from.
15:43 MinceR; probably also enjoyable to many people
15:43 DaemonFC; I wasn't a child who learned anything from being hit except to say in my head "Jesus Christ that woman is a bitch, can you believe that shit? How many more years do I have to live here?".
15:44 DaemonFC; When you grow up, if you hit someone there's criminal charges.
15:45 DaemonFC; If you hit your spouse there's domestic abuse felonies.
15:45 DaemonFC; But it's okay to just beat the fuck out of your kids because they annoyed you.
15:46 DaemonFC; Beat em senseless. As long as there's no bruises, cuts, or broken bones when they go to school, the state says it's fine.
15:46 DaemonFC; Remember! Belt to the ass or slap in the face!
15:46 DaemonFC; Spitting on them works too!
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15:47 DaemonFC; If they threaten to report you, say "That's fine because if the state investigates it you'll never be welcome back in this house again.".
15:47 DaemonFC; Then they're afraid because who knows where they'll sleep.
15:47 DaemonFC; This isn't abuse at all!
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15:52 TR News; Blender Eevee is Magic - Even a Stopped Clock Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163539
15:52 TR Bot; Blender Eevee is Magic - Even a Stopped Clock | Tux Machines
15:52 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163540
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15:58 libertybox; psydruid: soundb
15:58 psydruid; soundd?
15:58 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHTKetNX9j8
15:58 TR Bot; https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=fHTKetNX9j8
15:58 TR Bot; invidio.xamh.de | What feeding a Maine Coon Cat is like! - Invidious
15:59 psydruid; systemd-soundd?
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16:05 DaemonFC; I have a Maine Coon.
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16:05 DaemonFC; Also my black and white cat mated with a Maine Coon and produced five "Maine Cows".
16:06 DaemonFC; MinceR, Well, four Maine Cows anyway. The fifth one looks like a Maine Coon.
16:07 MinceR; :)
16:07 DaemonFC; The rest of them have a blend of Maine Coon and their mom's personality.
16:07 DaemonFC; The long fur and fluffyness of a Maine Coon, only they're black and white.
16:07 MinceR; what's their mom's personality like?
16:08 DaemonFC; Very mature personality. She has her own "cat language" and she sits there and talks to you in it.
16:08 MinceR; :)
16:09 DaemonFC; She does not like to be picked up, and she usually won't sleep on the bed. Last night she slept on the foot of the bed though, which I thought was weird.
16:09 DaemonFC; My Maine Coon is more interested in the windows, and what's going on outside.
16:09 DaemonFC; And she sleeps on the bed all the time.
16:10 DaemonFC; Mandy doesn't like it but I tell him to just knock it off and let the cat sleep wherever she wants to.
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16:11 DaemonFC; My black and white cat had "cat acne" and I recently got it to clear up finally.
16:12 DaemonFC; With some antibiotics and switching her to steel food and water bowls.
16:12 DaemonFC; The Maine Coon gets fur tangles.
16:12 DaemonFC; I just cut them off when it happens, with the scissors.
16:13 DaemonFC; She always has so much fur growing in that it doesn't make much difference, but if you let it go, it'll get bigger and bigger.
16:13 DaemonFC; The time we spent at the motel, she got tangles really bad, and she wouldn't tolerate being groomed.
16:14 DaemonFC; Eventually she had one on her butt so big that I had to cut the hair off almost to skin to get rid of it, but it all grew back in.
16:14 DaemonFC; She just looked weird for a while.
16:15 DaemonFC; Now that she's not hiding from everyone under the bed all the time, if I feel a tangle, I just cut it off right away.
16:16 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Never thought I'd be glad to say this, but Comcast is coming today.
16:16 DaemonFC; Then I can call and cancel the T-Mobile.
16:16 DaemonFC; Lots of people complain that the home internet pod doesn't work very well even in areas where their phone works fine.
16:16 DaemonFC; That's what happened to me.
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16:20 DaemonFC; My black and white cat is just happy to be here. Sometimes she just walks up and goes "Mwaaaah.... mwaaaah..... mwaaah" and that means "I would like you to pet me, and then I'll just sit here and guard you for a while.".
16:21 DaemonFC; Then she has a "Mroooowow! Mrowwwwow!" when people are up and walking around that means "I'm just letting you know I'm down here so you won't trip over me. Have a nice day!".
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16:21 MinceR; :3
16:23 DaemonFC; Then there's the occasional "MYYYYEAH!!!!", which means she's just in a good mood in general and up and about and saying hi on her way where she's going. Doesn't want you to pet her, just "Hi!".
16:24 DaemonFC; Then she throws herself on her side and plays with her toy. She likes to pretend it's a mouse that she just caught and bite at it.
16:25 TR News; Links 09/04/2022: Outages and Clown Computing Failures | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/links-09042022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/09/links-09042022/
16:25 TR Bot; Links 09/04/2022: Outages and Clown Computing Failures | Techrights
16:25 DaemonFC; She's mildly amused by a laser pointer, sometimes, but not to the point she'll chase it around the house, usually. Mostly just swatting at it and then giving up.
16:25 DaemonFC; She does not like catnip.
16:26 TR News; Proprietary Software and Security Issues Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163541
16:26 TR Bot; Proprietary Software and Security Issues | Tux Machines
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16:36 DaemonFC; It occurred to me just how stupid people are because every time I go somewhere, I hear someone say something so incredibly dumb it defies belief.
16:36 DaemonFC; There's a 9/11 memorial in Indianapolis which is made of two steel beams from one of the towers.
16:36 DaemonFC; A teenager walks by and says "Isn't one of them still standing?".
16:36 immibis; DaemonFC: "How fucking arrogant are you anyway, that you think you're better than someone and that only your religion is right just becuase your two dumbass parents bumped uglies and that's all you ever got to hear about it and so that's what you are now. " - isn't this how you feel about white people?
16:37 DaemonFC; I go to NASA's Johnson Space Center, where they have the Apollo Mission Control center and everything.
16:37 immibis; DaemonFC: so it's all parenting. How would implement these parenting rules you want?
16:37 DaemonFC; They have pieces of Saturn V rockets on display.
16:38 DaemonFC; One of the parents walks by and goes "Now you can say you touched something that was on the moon!".
16:38 DaemonFC; Yes, they flew the entire rocket to the moon. That's how those worked.
16:38 DaemonFC; The entire rocket. Then they brought the whole thing back again! Didn't even scratch the paint, you know?
16:39 immibis; oh no! people in the process of learning things don't know everything yet!
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16:40 DaemonFC; Oh come on, anyone who ever saw the movie Apollo 13 knows they didn't take the entire rocket to the moon. Herp derp.
16:40 DaemonFC; It shows the entire launch sequence.
16:42 XRevan86; WanderleiN: "ircz.de is a russian supporters site" <- How does one check?
16:43 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKtVpvzUF1Y
16:43 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=DKtVpvzUF1Y
16:43 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=DKtVpvzUF1Y )
16:44 MinceR; XRevan86: i think he failed to realize what ircz.de does
16:45 MinceR; (i.e. that it picks up links to images from various IRC channels and rehosts them)
16:46 TR News; Duck Game gets a patch for Proton, now works on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/duck-game-gets-a-patch-for-proton-now-works-on-steam-deck/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
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16:46 TR Bot; Game gets a patch for Proton, now works on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
16:47 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1lnwmQS52I
16:47 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=u1lnwmQS52I
16:48 TR Bot; yewtu.be | The Launch | Apollo 13 | Screen Bites - Invidious
16:48 DaemonFC; Again, they just built better stuff back then.
16:48 DaemonFC; Even when they were only going to use something once, they thought big.
16:48 DaemonFC; Nobody does that anymore.
16:49 DaemonFC; NASA was pretty much finished by the time the Space Shuttle happened.
16:49 DaemonFC; It was just a horrible system and it bled them dry and they were stuck using it for decades and couldn't afford to do anything else because of it, and it killed a lot of people.
16:50 DaemonFC; There wasn't even much technology to salvage from it to be re-applied anywhere else.
16:50 DaemonFC; A total money pit.
16:51 DaemonFC; I hate machines that aren't simple. Absolutely hate them.
16:52 DaemonFC; I keep going back to cars. People get absolutely no benefit at all from all of this modern technology.
16:52 DaemonFC; It looks "futuristic", and then they buy it and they find out how awful it is.
16:52 DaemonFC; It's expensive to service. There's serious malfunctions after a few years.
16:53 DaemonFC; And they know that you know it, and they'll win either way.
16:53 DaemonFC; Either the company sells you a service plan and makes money guaranteed, or you're back in there paying them retail price to fix it all the time, or you just give up and sell it and take a loss.
16:54 DaemonFC; And with older bigger cars, without any really fancy computers and sensors, if it starts acting up, you just pop the hood and see what the problem is, unbolt the part, throw it into the garbage (or take it back for the core) and bolt a new part on. The car starts right back up.
16:55 DaemonFC; So with the newer stuff, even if the technology or the manufacturing process gets you good gas mileage, incredibly good gas mileage, it's not worth it.
16:55 DaemonFC; You are talking pennies on the dollar in savings vs. what it will cost to repair.
16:56 DaemonFC; Even if gas goes up to $5 a gallon, you're better off with an older bigger car that's not that sophisticated.
16:56 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163545
16:56 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 45.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 41.43 average k/sec., average swarm size 282.65
17:19 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/illinois-legislature-set-to-approve-tax-relief-on-final-day/
17:19 TR Bot; Illinois Legislature set to approve tax relief on final day | WGN-TV
17:19 DaemonFC; $50 checks to people making $400,000 a year.
17:19 DaemonFC; I mean, that's as "working class" as it gets, right?
17:21 schestowitz-TR; it's wose
17:21 schestowitz-TR; *Worse
17:21 schestowitz-TR; because rich people barely pay tax
17:21 schestowitz-TR; those checks are funded by you
17:21 schestowitz-TR; it's circular
17:21 schestowitz-TR; those who pay more in tax are shouldering the rest
17:21 DaemonFC; Only the government could take $1,600 from a minimum wage Walmart employee that year, give him $50, and then brag that it gave him $50.
17:22 DaemonFC; (That's just the state income tax, btw.)
17:23 schestowitz-TR; [16:45] <MinceR> (i.e. that it picks up links to images from various IRC channels and rehosts them)
17:23 schestowitz-TR; they should drop the "Z"!!
17:23 DaemonFC; By the time the state gets done taxing you, they tax 5% of your income before you see it, up to 10% when you spend the money, another 39 cents per gallon of gas along with the sales tax, licenses to drive your car, license plates for the car, stickers from the city to drive your car.
17:23 schestowitz-TR; z is ze neu zwaztika
17:23 DaemonFC; Then there's the federal government too.
17:23 DaemonFC; They make you pay into a Socialized Insecurity system you may never live to see.
17:24 DaemonFC; That's on top of THEIR income tax.
17:25 MinceR; schestowitz-TR: lol
17:25 DaemonFC; And then they hide tariffs because the retailer pays those and then pretends it's "inflation".
17:25 kingoffrance; DaemonFC, and some ppl want more "enlightenment" quite funny isnt it?
17:25 MinceR; ircz is older than the terrorussian practice of using the z as a zwastika
17:25 DaemonFC; Nobody knows where it came from.
17:25 DaemonFC; Then after the government steals 40% of your money, they also inflate the money, so anything you managed to save is worth 10% less every year.
17:26 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: zatz not gut
17:26 DaemonFC; Meanwhile, they spend the money blowing horrible bubbles that drive up the cost of everything from bread, to cars, to your rent.
17:26 DaemonFC; So in the end you probably don't have much in savings and then they inflate away whatever you do have for an emergency.
17:26 immibis; hot take: theft is taxation
17:27 DaemonFC; Yes, taxation is theft.
17:27 DaemonFC; Inflation is theft by deception.
17:27 immibis; No. Theft is taxation.
17:27 kingoffrance; immibis is right, people are the state
17:27 DaemonFC; Theft and then giving it to someone else puts them in possession of stolen property.
17:27 kingoffrance; thats enlightenment
17:27 kingoffrance; immibis is 100% enlightened lol
17:27 immibis; It's the price you pay for living in a society with a horribly designed system that puts so many people in positions where their best option is to steal.
17:27 DaemonFC; So they should arrest the government and anyone it gives your money to.
17:27 DaemonFC; Problem solved!
17:28 immibis; If you want to live in a society where people below you are fucked, them stealing from you is the price of that.
17:28 schestowitz-TR; inflation is a tax
17:28 schestowitz-TR; and you might say tax is legalised theft
17:28 immibis; we do need to redesign the government financial system so it's clear who is paying for what
17:28 DaemonFC; It's legal when the state does it. Like murder.
17:28 DaemonFC; Cops murder people every day, nothing happens.
17:29 DaemonFC; I don't consider executions to be the same as murder.
17:29 DaemonFC; People who were executed at least had a trial.
17:29 immibis; (that surely won't happen until the people elect a government that represents them)
17:29 MinceR; taxation is more like robbery
17:29 MinceR; it's performed with threat of violence
17:29 DaemonFC; For every person executed, the cops kill 1,000 more just by shooting them "because reasons".
17:29 DaemonFC; None of them got a trial.
17:29 DaemonFC; Be mad about that, not about executing Jeffrey Dahmer.
17:30 immibis; when the government properly represents the people, taxation is no problem. It's just the prices for solving various tragedies of the commons
17:30 kingoffrance; "(that surely won't happen until the people elect a government that represents them)" now you're denying the enlightenment happened </mincer>
17:30 MinceR; when has the government properly represented the people, ever?
17:30 kingoffrance; when you said the enlightenment happeend
17:30 immibis; every developed country seems to do a better job than the USA, although none is perfect
17:30 MinceR; the enlightenment was not an election
17:30 kingoffrance; what was it?
17:30 DaemonFC; The focus on outlawing Capital Punishment is misguided. Nobody gets the death penalty in Illinois. The cops just shoot 6-7 people dead every day.
17:30 DaemonFC; But nobody gets EXECUTED.
17:31 kingoffrance; just another group of oppressors?
17:31 kingoffrance; lol
17:31 MinceR; an intellectual and philosophical movement
17:31 DaemonFC; MinceR, "Chicago Police - Obey and Survive".
17:31 immibis; I guess people figured out how to ethically justify lordship by putting the word "land" in front of it
17:32 MinceR; also, if the tax money the government wants to collect is in the exact amount and ratio the people want it to collect, why use taxation at all? just have people pay for what they want
17:32 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/woman-53-carjacked-at-red-light-in-loop/
17:32 TR Bot; 53-year-old woman carjacked at red light in Loop | WGN-TV
17:32 immibis; MinceR: Tragedy of the commons. A proper role of a government is to deal with all-or-nothing problems
17:33 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR Voice: The carjacker just wanted their reparations! They're hardly even a real criminal!
17:33 immibis; things like pollution require enforcement if the desired amount of pollution is not infinity
17:33 MinceR; i suspect that it is actually impossible for a human government to do that
17:33 DaemonFC; When you think about it, threatening to murder someone using an illegal handgun while stealing the only thing they own on this Earth isn't really a crime.
17:33 DaemonFC; Is it?
17:33 immibis; maybe every single person in the country wants less pollution, but it's also a capitalist economy and therefore the first person to unilaterally decrease their pollution output will just be hurting themselves for no benefit
17:33 DaemonFC; It's just "redistributing the wealth".
17:34 DaemonFC; How ironic that Obummer is putting his library in Jackson Park.
17:34 MinceR; the last i've heard was that we have 3 years or so to greatly reduce our emissions to avert a catastrophe
17:34 immibis; we have negative years
17:34 DaemonFC; Half the people going to see it will "spread the wealth around" with the muggings and carjackings.
17:34 MinceR; i'm predicting that as usual, humanity isn't going to do jack shit about it in 3 years
17:34 immibis; whoever told you 3 years was optimistic
17:34 MinceR; i know
17:34 immibis; maybe the hatred for russian nazis will help avert the climate change catastrophe. i'd give it a 10% probability
17:35 MinceR; more likely that war and related stuff will drive even more pollution
17:35 immibis; but what will be burned? wood?
17:35 MinceR; yes, and coal
17:35 MinceR; and extra resources will be used to prepare for more war
17:35 MinceR; and ukrainian cities and people will be burned
17:36 MinceR; and we might also end up with a thermonuclear war
17:36 immibis; that will drive humans extinct, solving climate change
17:36 MinceR; oh, also, not just wood and coal but also plastic
17:36 immibis; plastic is made from oil
17:37 DaemonFC; Nobody is going to do anything.
17:37 DaemonFC; California will cause a big economic mess for itself.
17:37 DaemonFC; That's about it.
17:37 DaemonFC; Fuck them..
17:37 kingoffrance; "an intellectual and philosophical movement" yes, which supposedly separated church and state. as all gov. are based on various philosophies
17:38 kingoffrance; conway's law
17:38 MinceR; people are going to do some stuff, some of which will be ineffectual and some of which will be counterproductive
17:38 kingoffrance; and hence people claimed to be the state
17:38 DaemonFC; Well, think about it. If California decides to commit to this, it'll just make less incentive to buy an EV anywhere else while all of them suffer.
17:39 DaemonFC; The gaoline prices there are already several dollars a gallon more than the national average.
17:39 DaemonFC; But banning the sale of new gasoline cars after 2035 is just a pipe dream.
17:39 DaemonFC; It'll be unworkable.
17:39 DaemonFC; People will figure out ways to sabotage it.
17:40 immibis; DaemonFC: they are already effectively banned by the fact prices ar ehigh
17:40 DaemonFC; Like buying them in other states and paying to have it registered somewhere else for a year before "importing it" into California and driving it there anyway.
17:40 DaemonFC; Good, the more harm California self-inflicts, the more it holds down prices here.
17:40 immibis; DaemonFC is not very enlightened
17:41 immibis; the reason you hate california is it has black people and homeless people, right?
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17:57 DaemonFC; No, because it has so many stupid people.
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17:58 DaemonFC; They think very highly of themselves because they don't realize how stupid they are.
17:58 DaemonFC; A car designed by politicians isn't going to work out well for the people who end up having to drive it.
17:59 DaemonFC; Even the Soviet car industry wasn't as bad as what the Democrats are doing because at least some people in Russia could afford to buy one.
17:59 DaemonFC; bbiab
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18:00 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22032635
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18:01 XRevan86; MinceR: I think it's working.
18:01 TR News; "Like announced in my previous post, I released mastersearch, "Searching the web from the CLI"." gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/04/09/mastersearch-released/
18:03 TR News; The future of dimension.sh gemini://dimension.sh/~nikdoof/logs/2022/04/09/the-future-of-dimension/
18:03 TR News; tldr in gemtext gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-04-09_tldr_in_gemtext.gmi
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18:26 XRevan86; MinceR: It's yesterday's news but I still want to ask: why is Orban so stupid?
18:26 MinceR; he was probably born that way
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18:26 XRevan86; What evidence does he need on the Bucha massacre?
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18:27 MinceR; he doesn't care about evidence, he's a christian fundamentalist
18:27 MinceR; and he worships putler
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18:27 XRevan86; One: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/08/massacre-in-bucha
18:27 XRevan86; Two: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/meduza-publishes-new-footage-evidencing-civilian-murders-in-bucha-during-russian-occupation
18:27 Alternative link; CloudFlare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/08/massacre-in-bucha https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/08/massacre-in-bucha
18:27 Alternative link; CloudFlare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/meduza-publishes-new-footage-evidencing-civilian-murders-in-bucha-during-russian-occupation https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/meduza-publishes-new-footage-evidencing-civilian-murders-in-bucha-during-russian-occupation
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18:30 XRevan86; MinceR: Maybe he believes his own propaganda like Putin.
18:30 MinceR; indeed he does
18:33 TR News; 4 Best Free and Open Source Web Application Firewalls Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163546
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18:33 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163548
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18:33 MinceR; (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp19zbiuKTk
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18:41 TR News; Is gemini a read-only protocol? gemini://midnight.pub/posts/883
18:42 SomeH4x0r; no afaik
18:42 SomeH4x0r; just like PHP/CGI exists for HTTP GET
18:43 TR News; "It makes plenty of sense to work multiple days a week, throughout the whole day, if you're a farmer who has to respect the life cycles of his work animals, and doesn't have giant spotlights with which to light up his whole field as he tills." gemini://beyondneolithic.life/posts/re_throughts_on_work.gmi
18:43 TR News; Alfa Network long range-low power Wifi HaloW AHPI7292S RPI HAT Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163549
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18:46 TR News; Microsoft incites people to break the law with ProprietarySoftware https://sg.channelasia.tech/article/696820/github-copilot-available-visual-studio-2022/?fp=2&fpid=1 see http://techrights.org/2021/11/29/balabhadra-alex-graveley-and-tomboy/
18:46 TR Bot; GitHub Copilot available for Visual Studio 2022 - Channel Asia
18:46 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part VIII Mr. Graveleys Long Career Serving Microsofts Agenda (Before Hiring by Microsoft to Work on GitHubs GPL Violations Machine) | Techrights
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18:55 bnchs; hello
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19:09 immibis; <DaemonFC> Even the Soviet car industry wasn't as bad as what the Democrats are doing because at least some people in Russia could afford to buy one.
19:09 immibis; wtf
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19:30 MinceR; https://thecodinglove.com/when-i-try-to-bypass-a-bug-during-my-demo/
19:30 TR Bot; When I try to bypass a bug during my demo | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes
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19:51 bnchs__; MinceR: i have never related to that
19:51 bnchs__; because i never do workarounds like microsoft style
19:52 MinceR; :>
19:52 MinceR; working around a bug you'll fix in a later sprint for the sake of a demo isn't necessarily MICROS~1 style, though
19:53 MinceR; it might be a natural consequence of scrum
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21:00 DaemonFC; I sat down and helped my mom's friend from work set up a retirement account and told her exactly, step-by-step, how to go about taking the IRS for all they're worth on that.
21:00 DaemonFC; And which investments to avoid right now and which to go for.
21:00 DaemonFC; Right now, I'm heavily leaning on bonds, not stocks.
21:02 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I'm buying the Buick on Monday. That was a NICE car.
21:02 DaemonFC; Nothing wrong with it other than it may need a battery and a coolant flush.
21:03 DaemonFC; Body is in nearly perfect condition.
21:03 DaemonFC; All of the accessories and switches work fine.
21:14 DaemonFC; The TPMS light is on. The sensors are about $75 each, and so if I want to replace them all that's maybe like $300.
21:14 DaemonFC; But TPMS isn't important.
21:15 DaemonFC; It's one of those government things where it's like "Oh some dumbass may not notice his tire is flat or 25% underfilled! Put another sensor on it!".
21:15 DaemonFC; <immibis> <DaemonFC> Even the Soviet car industry wasn't as bad as what the Democrats are doing because at least some people in Russia could afford to buy one.
21:15 DaemonFC; <immibis> wtf
21:16 MinceR; i don't mind having TPMS
21:16 DaemonFC; Yes, Biden is doing a worse job than the Soviets. If a Soviet citizen couldn't get a car, at least it wasn't because some tree hugging douchebag in California wanted them all to cost $70,000 and up.
21:16 MinceR; though i wouldn't mind CTIS either
21:17 DaemonFC; MinceR, It's not worth $300 to put new sensors in, I'd say.
21:17 DaemonFC; If the tire is flat, you'll know.
21:17 MinceR; it's better not to wait until it goes flat
21:42 DaemonFC; No, but that's usually the only time it would go off since I keep my tires inflated properly.
21:43 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/Z17VEP5.mp4
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22:24 DaemonFC; https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-motors/2017/03/10/buick-reboot/99042816/
22:24 TR Bot; The Detroit News
22:24 DaemonFC; "stodgy sedans".....
22:24 DaemonFC; This is insane.
22:24 DaemonFC; That thing I'm buying looks like an executive would roll up in it.
22:27 bnchs__; the detroit news
22:27 bnchs__; with no news article title
22:27 bnchs__; like FUCK YOU
22:27 DaemonFC; I got a family photo.
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22:28 DaemonFC; https://ibb.co/51dwQ6V
22:28 TR Bot; PXL-20220409-183632837 ImgBB
22:28 DaemonFC; The one I'm buying in front, and what I drive now behind it.
22:29 SomeH4x0r; DaemonFC: please direct links
22:29 SomeH4x0r; og:image
22:29 DaemonFC; https://i.ibb.co/7SHL3XF/PXL-20220409-183632837.jpg
22:30 DaemonFC; There we go.
22:31 immibis; DaemonFC: Are people buying cars in America?
22:31 DaemonFC; Yeah. Always.
22:31 DaemonFC; I'll have two of them now, at least for a while.
22:32 immibis; DaemonFC: also that was exactly the reason Soviet citizens couldn't get cars. Some hammer and sickle toting douchebag in Moscow wanted there to be a years-long waiting list.
22:32 DaemonFC; I'll give the Impala back to mom. I fixed up all the shit that was broken (that matters).
22:32 DaemonFC; It drives almost like new and with 281,000 miles on it.
22:33 MinceR; https://64.media.tumblr.com/4db0f52a1f00df44f3b9786f9afddff5/de8dc60539fa00ff-3a/s640x960/884be91c12954cf8ac3c75d9d9b6e17134237a20.png ( https://textsfromsuperheroes.com/post/680470960599597056/zombie )
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22:33 DaemonFC; MinceR, What do you think?
22:33 MinceR; \_()_/
22:33 DaemonFC; I ask myself one thing when I buy a car. One important thing.
22:33 DaemonFC; What would General Hammond drive?
22:34 immibis; "What will Democrat environmentalists think of this car?"
22:34 DaemonFC; He had a really nice Mercury Grand Marquis in one episode of SG-1.
22:34 DaemonFC; <immibis> "What will Democrat environmentalists think of this car?"
22:34 MinceR; meh
22:34 MinceR; i'd rather drive a reliable car
22:34 DaemonFC; I know that it will make liberals cry.
22:34 DaemonFC; Oh, it's reliable.
22:35 MinceR; i'd prefer a Land Cruiser with a V8
22:35 DaemonFC; MinceR, The US auto industry has produced four generally decent engines in the last 40 years.
22:35 MinceR; yeah, and i'm not into gambling
22:36 DaemonFC; The Ford Vulcan V6, the GM 60 degree V6 (the 3100 SFI model ended up producing 170 hp wand was hella fun in the Beretta), the Ford Modular V8, and the GM 3800 V6.
22:36 DaemonFC; The 3800 V6 goes back to 1962.
22:37 DaemonFC; *was
22:38 DaemonFC; Anyway, the 3800 V6 Series 3 is the best choice if you have a choice.
22:38 DaemonFC; They decided to use the stronger connecting rods from the supercharged model even in the NA model.
22:38 DaemonFC; So you get much better odds that a MAJOR internal part of the engine will work okay for a very long time.
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22:39 DaemonFC; Don't buy a 4.6 liter Modular V8 from Ford unless it's a 2001 or newer.
22:39 DaemonFC; To avoid those defective DuPont intakes that could fail.
22:40 DaemonFC; Buying the 3100 SFI V6 from GM, you should plan to replace the intake manifold gaskets and switch to different coolant.
22:41 DaemonFC; So you don't want to pay a lot of money for the car even though it's a good engine other than that.
22:42 DaemonFC; https://itstillruns.com/information-3100-sfi-v6-engine-7868958.html
22:42 TR Bot; Information on a 3100 SFI V6 Engine | It Still Runs
22:42 DaemonFC; It's actually a surprisingly powerful engine for its size. It gets decent mileage in a car like a Beretta or Corsica, where it was the upgrade option from the underpowered Inline 4.
22:43 DaemonFC; The car was built around the idea that most people would pick the base engine so it had to be possible to drive it with an engine that put out a wimpy little 100 horsepower.
22:43 DaemonFC; The 3100 V6 puts out 175 horsepower.
22:43 DaemonFC; So the car really moves if you have that engine.
22:44 DaemonFC; MinceR, Most American cars from the 80s, 90s, and 00s have bigger engines than the car itself really needs.
22:44 DaemonFC; Like, power to weight ratio.
22:45 DaemonFC; I was looking for an older car and pulled up a 1978 Lincoln someone was selling with 38,000 miles on it. 7.5 liter V8.
22:45 DaemonFC; Of course, you needed that back then because the engines just weren't very good.
22:46 DaemonFC; It put out less power than the 3800 V6 did in the 2000s, and it used more than twice as much fuel in the process.
22:46 DaemonFC; Some software in a vehicle is probably a necessary evil, but we long since jumped the shark.
22:47 DaemonFC; Especially on how much it can do for fuel economy.
22:47 DaemonFC; Now they're making "empty beer cans on wheels with a dinky engine" for, well........whoever responds to TV commercials with giant hamsters in them I guess.
22:49 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcAryIF_ztQ
22:49 TR Bot; https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=HcAryIF_ztQ
22:49 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
22:49 TR Bot; invidious.namazso.eu | Here's Why Kias are Crap - Invidious
22:50 MinceR; i think i've seen that one already
22:54 DaemonFC; "A car that's just idling should not be all over the place like that.
22:54 DaemonFC; Yeah, my Impala was recently.
22:54 DaemonFC; I had to put all new coils on, and an upstream O2 sensor.
22:54 DaemonFC; It was messed up. Misfiring like crazy.
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22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 331.66
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23:13 TR News; MX Linux 21.1 Released with Linux 5.16 for AHS Edition, Based on Debian GNU/Linux 11.3 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163550
23:13 TR Bot; MX Linux 21.1 Released with Linux 5.16 for AHS Edition, Based on Debian GNU/Linux 11.3 | Tux Machines
23:14 TR News; KDE Frameworks 5.93 Brings Multi-Cursor Support for Text Editor Apps, over 280 Changes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163551
23:14 TR Bot; KDE Frameworks 5.93 Brings Multi-Cursor Support for Text Editor Apps, over 280 Changes | Tux Machines
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23:37 MinceR; (video) (audio:important) https://nitter.eu/obviousplant_/status/1166022957136658432#m
23:37 TR Bot; obvious plant (@obviousplant_): "Rando With Real Throbbing Action" | nitter
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23:50 TR News; For EPO Staff on Dutch Territories Purachasing Power Fell 12% in Just One Year While EPO Increased Its Fees | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/epo-purachasing-power/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/09/epo-purachasing-power/
23:50 TR Bot; For EPO Staff on Dutch Territories Purachasing Power Fell 12% in Just One Year While EPO Increased Its Fees | Techrights
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