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00:00 DaemonFC; I'd throw it all away if he'll be okay. I always figure out a way to recover from terrible things.
00:00 DaemonFC; Seems like all I do sometimes.
00:00 DaemonFC; <schestowitz_TR2> maybe I'll actually NEED a dentist one day
00:00 DaemonFC; I got religious about two things after seeing what happens if you don't.
00:01 DaemonFC; Proper tooth brushing and lots of car washes.
00:01 DaemonFC; You ignore bird shit for a few months, your paint bubbles up, caves in and rusts, in the shape of bird shit.
00:01 schestowitz_TR2; I brush with 2 brushes
00:01 schestowitz_TR2; for over 20 years already
00:01 DaemonFC; Happened to that stupid Taurus because I was broke and go "Oh I just won't wash the car much.".
00:01 schestowitz_TR2; it's a lot faster and better
00:01 DaemonFC; So I had a nice bird shit-shaped rust hole in the side of it.
00:01 DaemonFC; Should have washed the car.
00:02 schestowitz_TR2; cars are like this
00:02 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, I wash the Buick about 3 times a week.
00:02 schestowitz_TR2; at first you keep the plastic on
00:02 schestowitz_TR2; then they wqear out
00:02 schestowitz_TR2; you take them off
00:02 DaemonFC; It's cheaper to wash it than not to.
00:02 schestowitz_TR2; first you care about how shiny the car is
00:02 DaemonFC; It costs me like $1-2 per wash and wax.
00:02 schestowitz_TR2; then you lower to "how many scratches"
00:03 DaemonFC; <schestowitz_TR2> then you lower to "how many scratches"
00:03 schestowitz_TR2; then you quit caring about mud and bird faeces
00:03 DaemonFC; I used a polishing compound on the scratches and scuffs.
00:03 DaemonFC; It made them a lot less noticeable.
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00:03 schestowitz_TR2; so you start wonder "why da fuck" you ever cared about leaving that plastic on the seats years ago
00:03 DaemonFC; Worth a couple dollars for sure.
00:03 DaemonFC; Yeah, you get a new car and rock trucks get you.
00:04 DaemonFC; Some shithead in Walmart goes out of his way to park at the end of the lot in a piece of crap and WHAM goes the car door.
00:04 schestowitz_TR2; btw, some old laptops and sccreens herestill have the plastics on
00:04 schestowitz_TR2; rianne likes to keep them on
00:04 schestowitz_TR2; took her 5 years to take the plastics off the speakers :-)
00:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, Literally the first thing that happened in the Kia.
00:04 schestowitz_TR2; to be fair, that laptop is still in mind condition
00:04 DaemonFC; A seagull flew over me and splattered the car with shit.
00:04 DaemonFC; I had to drive by the carwash on the way home.
00:05 DaemonFC; Then I started getting chips from rock trucks and door dings and out there with a paint pen so it wouldn't rust.
00:05 schestowitz_TR2; better on the car than on you
00:05 DaemonFC; And then I lost it in bankruptcy to fucking John.
00:05 DaemonFC; And it's like, why did I care?
00:05 DaemonFC; Why was I so obsessive?
00:06 DaemonFC; I'm simpler now. Give me my laptop, a car that just runs well and looks half decent, and a nice radio. I'm happy.
00:07 DaemonFC; You get too ambitious and you get knocked down hard, because I was like "If I leave John I lose my car, I lose my house on the lake where I can use that boat. I go back to eating TV dinners in a shitty apartment where the ceiling collapses.
00:07 DaemonFC; And what happened was so much worse.
00:07 DaemonFC; Just months later!
00:08 DaemonFC; In the end it was all about the finances, and he was gone most of the time working and fucking other people and so he came in and slept and then left again.
00:08 DaemonFC; And I was like "Okay, I can deal with this.".
00:09 DaemonFC; The result was a bankruptcy that verged on a quarter of a million dollars. And some of that was hospital bills and shit. I'm just glad I made no effort to pay those.
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00:09 DaemonFC; Because the money would have been gone and I'd still be bankrupt.
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00:10 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, Bankruptcy doesn't change life much.
00:11 DaemonFC; Months or maybe a year later, everyone wants to give you credit cards just like the ones you had.
00:11 DaemonFC; You buy another car in cash.
00:11 DaemonFC; Landlords don't care. They only want to know if anyone's had to evict you.
00:11 DaemonFC; Life goes on.
00:12 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, We've stopped going to the movies and out to eat almost entirely.
00:12 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> wait, you need to distinuish <- <schestowitz_TR2> borderline occupiers <- <schestowitz_TR2> from the people who are now there
00:12 DaemonFC; The gas prices are probably feeding into a new unemployment crisis.
00:12 matey; you really dont get it
00:12 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> afaik, they're all fine with rms being in the board <- haha
00:12 DaemonFC; Who goes to a restaurant a bunch and splurges when they have a 20 gallon gas tank that takes $6.39 a gallon to fill?
00:12 DaemonFC; Few.
00:12 matey; just when the board had its nuts cut off and put on a spike outside the front door
00:12 matey; big deal
00:13 matey; an "occupation" is not as you put it, a "failure to distinguish" the people outside from the inside
00:13 matey; its when the people move from the outside to the inside, and stay there
00:13 matey; or maybe we have different definitions of "occupation"
00:13 matey; but the usual one isnt a failure to distinguish
00:14 matey; maybe the fsf has trouble distinguisting people that stand from anything from the people telling them what to do
00:14 matey; because even the people who are "okay" with rms "being on the board" are also ok with a bunch of idiots dismantling the entire organisation and the movement (as much as it can)
00:14 matey; i wrote an article about a failure to distinguish friend from foe for you more than a year or two ago
00:14 matey; i distinguish just fine
00:15 matey; the people destroying the fsf are the foe
00:15 matey; the people failing to distinguish those from useful people are idiots
00:15 matey; and the people who stand for free software are on the outside
00:15 matey; not walsh and mako
00:15 matey; but all the same
00:16 matey; youre the one who wants to pretend the saboteurs are not saboteurs
00:16 matey; and that critics are the problem
00:16 matey; thats the side you picked when the coup told you to shut up
00:16 matey; and you said "okay, but only 90% of the say"
00:16 matey; "the way"
00:16 matey; "i have a reputation to keep"
00:16 matey; have fun with that, bbl
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00:19 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, Back to cars, everyone's been dinged by some other asshole.
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00:20 DaemonFC; So GM started putting these door guard trims on many of their cars.
00:20 DaemonFC; That way if someone whacks you it scratches that a bit, but no ding in the metal on your door.
00:21 DaemonFC; Nature is hell on cars, but so are other people.
00:31 schestowitz_TR2; <matey> an "occupation" is not as you put it, a "failure to distinguish" the people outside from the inside
00:31 schestowitz_TR2; people who try to "reform" free software into "open source"
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00:43 matey; i got a great idea
00:43 matey; "the tux foundation"
00:43 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, Caught mom's landlord in another lie.
00:44 schestowitz_TR2; tuxmachines :-)
00:44 matey; its like the linux foundation, but its not about money
00:44 schestowitz_TR2; mascots as foundations
00:44 schestowitz_TR2; lie-nox
00:44 DaemonFC; He said one of the reasons she had to pay more rent was because her electric bill was so high. He specifically said "Always over $200 a month.".
00:44 matey; the linux foundation uses a mac and pretends to care about "linux"
00:44 matey; the tux foundation uses gnu/linux and pretends to care about freedom
00:45 matey; its gonna be big
00:45 DaemonFC; So I said, "Call the power company and see what it averages." She said, "I don't think you can do that if it's under someone else's name.". I said, "Ask them what it's averaged over the last 12 months because you're considering signing a lease and were wondering what it costs to heat and cool and stuff.".
00:45 DaemonFC; So after telling me they wouldn't tell her, they said over the last 12 months, her bill has averaged $148 a month.
00:45 schestowitz_TR2; lol
00:45 schestowitz_TR2; tuxnox foundation
00:45 schestowitz_TR2; cares about neither
00:46 schestowitz_TR2; why would that raise RENT?
00:46 schestowitz_TR2; makes no sense
00:46 DaemonFC; And the only reason why it was that much is because he wouldn't fix the boiler.
00:46 matey; it wouldnt raise anything
00:46 schestowitz_TR2; does he worry it might become a burden on the fuse box?
00:46 matey; it would have to be paid for out of pocket
00:46 DaemonFC; And she had to use her space heaters all winter when he wouldn't send anyone to fix the stupid boiler.
00:46 matey; the only real "profit" would be people paying attention to it
00:47 DaemonFC; If he would have fixed the stupid boiler, her average bill would have only been like $80-90.
00:47 *schestowitz_TR2 goes too work
00:48 DaemonFC; He always exaggerates when it comes to money.
00:48 DaemonFC; Boasting about how much his new car cost or how great a deal he got on something, or multiplying what he spends on your utilities by like double.
00:48 DaemonFC; He did it to me too.
00:49 DaemonFC; So I told him I called the power company and they told me what the bill averaged over the last 12 months and he had this look like "Busted!".
00:50 matey; /me was already working
00:50 DaemonFC; Nobody who lies expects anyone to call them out on their bullshit.
00:51 DaemonFC; Coca-Cola Original Soda Pop, 12 Fl Oz, 24 Pack Cans $9.78
00:51 DaemonFC; LOL
00:52 DaemonFC; I remember it being like $4 for that many. And that was at the expensive store, not Walmart.
00:53 DaemonFC; Walmart used to sell 24 packs of Sam's Choice for like $2.88, and now you can't even get 12 for $4.50
00:55 matey; im disappointed in walsh and mako yes
00:56 matey; but i had good reasons to believe in them
00:56 matey; even if it was a mistake
00:56 matey; its too bad i had to learn from that mistake the hard way
00:56 matey; it would be worse if people showed me such a mistake over and over and over again
00:56 matey; and i covered for their sorry arses
00:57 matey; i dont have much on either one-- nor do i pretend to, because why bother?
00:57 matey; they dont seem to be the worst, but i focus on people i actually have information about
00:57 matey; thats reasonable
00:57 matey; what i DONT do is pretend theres no problem, like we should just have faith in people that let us down
00:57 matey; i dont NEED to do that
00:57 matey; there are other people (whom i dont agree with) to do that for me
00:58 matey; who make fun of innocent mistakes, but continue to repeat their own (even bigger) mistakes
00:58 matey; i mean, theyre free to do that
00:58 matey; its just stupid
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01:07 matey; ervice Unavailable
01:07 matey; The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
01:07 matey; Apache/2.4.6 (CentOS) Server at techrights.org Port 80
01:07 matey; im sure it will load when i refresh
01:08 matey; (i think its actually loading now)
01:09 matey; for an old wordpress site with homebrewed php (im sure of it) its got remarkable uptime
01:09 matey; i think something rebooted even, because irc seemed to kick out at just that moment (though im less sure of that)
01:10 matey; Service Unavailable
01:10 matey; The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
01:10 matey; Apache/2.4.6 (CentOS) Server at techrights.org Port 80
01:10 matey; not yet
01:11 matey; and its back up
01:11 matey; which is great, i was looking for something
01:12 matey; wanna see roy do comedy?
01:12 matey; he does it better than he does journalism
01:12 DaemonFC; Trump's tax law gave Mandy and I $1,000 a year in our pocket.
01:12 DaemonFC; Bidenflation took all of that away and more.
01:13 matey; one thing roy will never do is sell out (DIRECTLY) to corporate sponsors like microbel
01:13 matey; hes not in it for the money, i know that much
01:13 DaemonFC; The worst inflation is hitting things you have to buy. Gas to get to work. Rent. Food.
01:13 DaemonFC; Junk is as cheap as ever.
01:13 matey; but he is (unbeknownst to most) hilarious
01:14 matey; heres an example...
01:14 DaemonFC; But we'll see how much of it they sel when everyone has to buy the gas, food, and rent.
01:14 matey; url first: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-050622.html
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01:14 DaemonFC; I think Ariadne keeps doing something with the server.
01:14 DaemonFC; Like, the uptime is sketchy?
01:14 matey; found it when the site came back up. its not sarcasm-- i think its close to objectively a fact that techrights has good uptime
01:14 matey; i couldnt match it
01:15 matey; now, at that url, roy is chiding me for *gasp* making *a* mistake
01:15 matey; he will deny this of course. "no, you misunderstood"
01:15 matey; of course i did.
01:15 Ariadne; DaemonFC: not me. i am on holiday for the next few weeks.
01:15 matey; my confidence comes from being right IN GENERAL
01:15 matey; not from being right ALL THE TIME.
01:16 Ariadne; DaemonFC: however, there are some very inefficient PHP scripts which hammer the database and cause the site to go down. i rewrote some of them, but have not had time to address them all.
01:16 matey; a good example of this is when i thought mako and walsh would be good leaders for the gsg
01:16 matey; fsf
01:16 matey; i actually liked oliva too (and that was another mistake)
01:16 matey; but with oliva i thought the distance would disqualify him (turns out i was wrong about that)
01:16 Ariadne; why not oliva? he is committed to software freedom
01:16 matey; still, when stallman went into HIDING he took over
01:17 matey; <Ariadne> why not oliva? he is committed to software freedom <- he still seems like the closest thing on the entire earth to a stallman clone
01:17 matey; which makes him an obvious choice
01:17 Ariadne; i don't think he eats things from his feet
01:17 matey; of course thats unfair
01:17 Ariadne; maybe on a technical level you are right though
01:17 matey; lots of people have that compulsive disorder
01:17 matey; its pure ableism
01:17 matey; but people only care about ableism when it suits their political goals
01:18 matey; anyway
01:18 Ariadne; i was just saying that he was not a 100% clone of stallman
01:18 matey; well if you look at twins, no one is 100% clone of anyone
01:18 Ariadne; identical twins might disagree
01:19 matey; i know identical twins, they diverge from birth (or perhaps the womb)
01:19 matey; dna only does so much
01:19 matey; a lot, but theres scope
01:19 matey; the funny thing is, everything people needs to know about genetics they can learn from harry potter
01:20 matey; i know shes a transphobic cunt who ripped off tolkien
01:20 matey; im not a fan of her backwards politics
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01:20 matey; anyway, back to the point
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01:21 matey; schestowitz_TR2 tuened out walsh and mako-hill were among the ousters
01:21 matey; (this is from the above url)
01:21 matey; schestowitz_TR2 of sorts
01:21 matey; schestowitz_TR2 YOU used to think they would be leaders for the org
01:21 Ariadne; personally i don't really care who runs fsf
01:21 matey; (i added the emphasis there)
01:22 matey; <Ariadne> personally i don't really care who runs fsf <- it wouldnt matter now
01:22 Ariadne; it's not like they are getting anything useful done
01:22 matey; there is no fsf left
01:22 matey; <Ariadne> it's not like they are getting anything useful don <- im not sure they have since 2014
01:22 matey; so i cant say i disagree with that
01:22 Ariadne; 2014 seems generous
01:22 matey; well i tried to pinpoint it precisely
01:22 matey; and came up with 2011
01:22 matey; if 2014 is generous, my money is on 3 years before
01:23 Ariadne; the GNU project is mostly backed by redhat
01:23 matey; sadly
01:23 matey; but truly
01:23 matey; and people who really dont trust red hat shouldnt trust gnu
01:23 matey; because they fucking own it
01:23 matey; im not in favour, but im not going to sugarcoat it
01:23 matey; they dont "own" it in the way sco pretended to own unix
01:23 matey; they own it the way shuttleworth has "root"
01:23 Ariadne; they do have a controlling interest
01:24 matey; to say the least
01:24 matey; i think it would be a feat to wrest control FROM them too
01:24 matey; which is another mark of them "owning" it
01:24 Ariadne; the disparity can be observed when you look at GCC vs GLIBC
01:24 matey; im NO fan of glibc
01:24 Ariadne; GLIBC is mostly redhat people
01:24 matey; gcc i can make an argument for
01:25 matey; glibc is an unflushable turd so they polish it with rhetoric
01:25 Ariadne; GCC is redhat plus codesourcery (now Siemens)
01:25 matey; im not even sure copyleft will work at this point-- but i will gladly regurgitate the best arguments for it i can find
01:25 matey; i was thinking of source... um...
01:25 Ariadne; codesourcery do not care about gnu/linux, they care about embedded
01:26 matey; anyone saying that stallman doesnt get hardware/embedded already has my attention at least
01:26 matey; because i know theyre right about that
01:26 matey; no one has to convince me of that, i am already
01:26 matey; stallman. does. not. get. hardware.
01:26 matey; (or free culture, but since no one else cares about it either... well, i still blame him for that)
01:27 matey; free hardware? i know he wont be fair to it
01:27 matey; free culture? i know he will misrepresent it
01:27 matey; hes good for free software at best
01:28 matey; from 198? to 2011 at least
01:28 matey; as ive said i would have supported a coup that did the right things
01:28 matey; as the show must go on
01:29 DaemonFC; I'm really glad for these video appointments with my doctor down in Chicago.
01:29 DaemonFC; Not only do I not have to go to Chicago, I don't have to go there with $6.39 gas.
01:30 DaemonFC; If Biden keeps going, the gas would be more than my co-pays.
01:30 matey; ok, roy wants a ddg scandal? heres one
01:30 matey; so im looking for the website red ibm keeps gcc on
01:30 matey; i think i have a local document that points to it, but im lazy
01:30 matey; i searched ddg for gcc sourcecode
01:30 matey; gcc sourcecode
01:30 matey; its not on the front page
01:30 matey; i know its source-something or something-source
01:31 matey; ill do a local search, since ddg is crap
01:31 matey; rofl
01:32 matey; okay, this is something i did to myself
01:32 matey; not the ddg part, the fact that searching locally didnt do it
01:32 matey; to wikipedia!
01:32 matey; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCC
01:32 TR Bot; GCC - Wikipedia
01:33 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Compiler_Collection
01:33 TR Bot; GNU Compiler Collection - Wikipedia
01:33 matey; lies? -> gcc.gnu.org/git/gcc.git
01:33 matey; i know red hat doesnt develop it there
01:34 matey; SOURCEWARE!
01:34 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDB
01:34 TR Bot; GNU Debugger - Wikipedia
01:34 matey; should i know that? of course
01:34 matey; https://sourceware.org/git/binutils-gdb.git
01:34 TR Bot; Git - binutils-gdb.git/summary
01:34 matey; but since i only discovered it a year ago
01:35 matey; and ive only been there a few times
01:35 matey; as i was saying
01:35 matey; this is roy trying to chide me
01:35 matey; schestowitz_TR2 tuened out walsh and mako-hill were among the ousters Jun 05 18:31
01:35 matey; schestowitz_TR2 of sorts Jun 05 18:31
01:35 matey; schestowitz_TR2 you used to think they would be leaders for the org Jun 05 18:31
01:35 matey; schestowitz_TR2 and now we know better Jun 05 18:32
01:35 matey; "you used to think they would be leaders for the org"
01:35 matey; why is that comedy?
01:36 matey; its comedy because only a year ago, he was trying to take credit for the very same thing
01:37 matey; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-020221.html
01:37 matey; schestowitz what did Kat Walsh do to them?!!??! Mar 26 11:49
01:37 matey; schestowitz She's awesome Mar 26 11:49
01:37 matey; schestowitz we suggested her as successor to RMS Mar 26 11:49
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01:37 matey; no...
01:37 matey; "we" never suggested her as successor
01:37 matey; *i* did
01:37 matey; roy never endorsed that even once
01:37 matey; he completely made up the fact that he was involved in that
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01:38 matey; literally inserted himself into the past like a photobomb
01:38 matey; AFTER it was shown to be a mistake to both of us
01:38 matey; and a year later hes still chiding me for it
01:38 matey; THATS comedy!
01:38 matey; of a variety only roy can...
01:38 matey; "its the way i tell them!"
01:38 matey; well what can i say? WE made a mistake.
01:39 matey; good old roy-al "we"
01:39 matey; he still a comedy genius
01:44 matey; ive got a joke too
01:44 matey; if youre in marketing, kill yourself
01:44 matey; wait, thats not mine-- thats bill hicks
01:45 matey; ive still got one
01:45 matey; if youre a compulsive liar...
01:45 matey; kill yourself, and then tell people youre not dead :)
01:47 matey; i think hicks was right
01:47 matey; i dont think we should revise his joke about marketers in the slightest
01:47 matey; for compulsive liars though, i will amend my own
01:47 matey; there ARE "high-functioning" sociopaths
01:48 matey; there ARE "high-functioning" liars and narcissists, im sure
01:48 matey; narcissism is not strictly incurable
01:48 matey; most people will not do it
01:48 matey; sociopaths and narcissists who do the NEARLY impossible and stop being cunts (against their own nature) have my respect
01:49 matey; there arent many-- but i will acknowledge and admire that such people exist
01:49 matey; the rest of them should probably kill themselves though
01:49 matey; i mean, really
01:49 matey; and i guess from there forward its all nitpicks and nuance
01:50 matey; including "nuance"
01:50 matey; as in "theres a nuance"
01:51 matey; my main problem with them isnt that they exist
01:51 matey; its that they run the world
01:51 matey; if we could fix that, it wouldnt be such a big fucking deal
01:52 matey; the original weapon against such nonsense was comedy
01:52 matey; sadly, comedy is a tool or a weapon like so many others
01:52 matey; which can be used either for good or for evil
01:52 matey; and indeed gets used for both
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02:14 DaemonFC; I found a bunch of Dire Straits CDs.
02:14 DaemonFC; Last time I heard any of this it was on my crummy PC speakers with some MP3s from Napster.
02:15 DaemonFC; Biggest scandal in all of Canada. There's the word "faggot" in one of the songs.
02:15 DaemonFC; Goes on all year, the radios ignore the Canadian "self-regulation" authority.
02:15 DaemonFC; Some play it over and over for hours in protest of the ruling.
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02:16 MinceR; 07 005441 < schestowitz_TR2> on some dipsplay devices
02:16 MinceR; probably increases it on LCD monitors :>
02:29 matey; <MinceR> probably increases it on LCD monitors :> <- ive wondered about this for years now
02:30 matey; it stands to reason at least that it increases it on ALL lcd
02:30 matey; but its a polarising issue :)
02:30 MinceR; :>
02:30 matey; no seriously, i can imagine how it might help on some and hurt on others (lcds i mean)
02:31 MinceR; backlight trickery to fake a higher contrast ratio may complicate this somewhat
02:31 matey; plus roy probably still has at least one crt but i havent seen it (except in old photos which no longer count for obvious reasons)
02:32 matey; you know what would be great, is if theres some quanta-related reason that we cant know the answer to this seemingly simple question definitively
02:32 MinceR; i have 2 crt monitors but haven't turned them on in decades
02:32 matey; (because i doubt its that)
02:32 matey; but haven't turned them on in decades <- well thank god my libido isnt as bad as it used to be
02:32 MinceR; :>
02:32 matey; i still managed to get things done
02:32 MinceR; objectophilia
02:32 Ariadne; out of curiosity i must wonder what masturbating in this channel does to advance software freedom
02:33 Ariadne; if you notice i rarely talk here
02:33 matey; youre doing it now
02:33 matey; (i always say that to people who complain that people chat online-- in an online chat, its far from personal)
02:33 matey; standard response
02:33 matey; i would tell why i bother
02:33 matey; but to quote a television classic, "that would be telling"
02:34 matey; if we take your argument to its logical conclusion, even youre implicated
02:34 matey; because if we take your argument to its logical conclusion-- why does techrights exist
02:34 matey; and why are you hosting it
02:34 matey; but... im only having fun with the question
02:34 matey; and im sure you have your reasons as much as i have mine
02:34 matey; thats only fair, right?
02:35 Ariadne; i'm hosting it as a personal favor to schestowitz_TR2 and don't necessarily agree on all content here :P
02:35 matey; omg
02:35 matey; even if you were my least favourite person on earth
02:35 matey; which you arent
02:35 matey; i wouldnt accuse you (or anyone) of agreeing with everything here
02:36 Ariadne; no but i do feel the need to qualify that whenever anyone asks why techrights exists at my colo
02:36 matey; thats a very reasonable disclaimer
02:36 matey; if i were hosting tr id get it as a tattoo
02:36 matey; but i also think thats probably overkill for a sane person
02:37 MinceR; i wonder who necessarily agrees with everything said here
02:38 matey; i know who but i neednt say
02:38 matey; and they arent here anyway
02:40 matey; No, "AMOLED Black" Does NOT Save More Battery Than Dark Gray
02:40 matey; www.xda-developers.com/amoled-black-vs-gray-dark-mode/
02:40 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-060622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-060622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-060622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-060622.txt
02:40 matey; The answer to that is yes, dark gray still saves battery, but this is the part where most people say "but pure black saves more power because the pixels are actually turned off!"
02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 06, 2022
02:40 matey; now thats an interesting twist
02:40 matey; darker saves power
02:40 matey; but darker than darker doesnt save more than darker
02:40 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XF2ayWcJfxo
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02:41 matey; just for the sake of completeness
02:41 MinceR; better than the best
02:41 matey; im going to point out that masturbation (any variety of it) is probably half the reason the internet even exists
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02:42 matey; and without it, more than half the internet probably wouldnt (exist. and therefore it wouldnt masturbate either.)
02:42 matey; (this is of course, impossible.)
02:42 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 06, 2022
02:42 matey; which means, ipso facto
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02:43 matey; if the internet didnt exist, it would be created.
02:43 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 06, 2022
02:43 matey; ipso facto is latin for "you know im right"
02:43 MinceR; calypso facto
02:44 matey; <MinceR> calypso facto <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4-9h1pjTP74
02:44 TR Bot; Stan Freberg - "Banana Boat (Day-O)" - Invidious
02:45 matey; /me justified the internet without citing avenue--kyyyyyyyyyyyy too late
02:47 MinceR; matey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZDyGyEy2E8
02:47 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=KZDyGyEy2E8
02:47 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=KZDyGyEy2E8 )
02:48 matey; /me clearly identifies two references but not the link between them
02:48 matey; OH WAIT ITS A PUN
02:48 matey; apocalypso
02:48 matey; /me should have known
02:49 matey; seriously you got to see how long it took me in realtime
02:49 matey; (and im usually not that quick)
02:49 matey; there was a guy who used to wear a shirt that said "I.P. on everything"
02:49 matey; and somehow it didnt click for YEARS
02:49 matey; hiding in plain, very obvious sight
02:50 matey; (im usually quicker than THAT at least)
02:50 matey; whats funnier is if its NOT a pun and im still way off
02:51 matey; as a personal favor <- this is a half-answer but the sort where i know better than to press for more details that wont come
02:51 matey; i claim morbid curiosity, not entitlement
02:52 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-06-06.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-06-06.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:52 matey; also im not sure i really want to know
02:54 matey; /me also doesnt think hes really a duke
02:54 matey; i think without being british the most he can hope for is nukem o.b.e.
02:55 MinceR; :>
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.73 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 338.45
03:03 matey; c/c music factory or as i now like to call them, c+c music factory
03:03 MinceR; :>
03:03 MinceR; at least it isn't c&c music factory
03:03 matey; yeah bash would have fun with that one
03:03 matey; (so would ksh)
03:04 matey; ksh: c: not found
03:04 matey; ksh: c: not found
03:04 matey; (it does it twice)
03:04 matey; its lying, c is installed (mispronounced llvm)
03:05 MinceR; :>
03:05 MinceR; wouldn't that be "cc"?
03:05 matey; i was actually just checking that, and yes
03:05 matey; cc music factory
03:06 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 45255 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40987 Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-05-27 10:17:06 BST; 1 weeks 3 days ago
03:06 matey; cc: error: no such file or directory: 'music'
03:06 matey; cc: error: no such file or directory: 'factory'
03:06 matey; cc: error: no input files
03:06 matey; "what the fuck are you DOING in there?"
03:06 matey; "saving money on cable television?"
03:06 matey; no netflix either
03:07 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 266 MB TotalOut: 47 MB
03:07 matey; id be outside kicking a can around but thats probably "disturbing the peace" now
03:07 matey; on the internet they call that "violating the code of conduct"
03:08 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:08 matey; either way its an imaginary crime applied more out of convenience than peace
03:09 matey; mention the abuses and they say "but dont you think we should do something about [rare legitimate example?]"
03:09 matey; yes
03:09 IPFS; QmNfDQ75xBxSAamisMxhTjpn9Au6GFQzWE4dr1y8fZzXpu
03:09 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:10 matey; by all means, create loads of political overhead and abuse for [rare legitimate example] thats how real progress(tm) usually works
03:11 matey; we need rules out of the reign of king george to deal with [rare legitimate example]
03:11 matey; /me powders his wig
03:13 matey; Well, Id hardly finished the first verse https://www.gutenberg.org/files/11/11-0.txt
03:13 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.gutenberg.org/files/11/11-0.txt )
03:19 matey; problem solving fake left style
03:19 matey; problem: stallman is a tyrant (maybe)
03:19 matey; fake left solution: MOAR TYRANNY
03:19 matey; well, thats fixed at least
03:19 matey; /me applauds
03:20 matey; its not hypocrisy, its "upgrade"
03:20 matey; more ram: upgrade
03:20 matey; more cores: upgrade
03:20 matey; more appeal to authority: upgrade
03:22 matey; the trick to increasing authority and calling it "progress" is saying "but NOW it applies to EVERYONE"
03:22 matey; and who is in charge of applying it? two guesses :)
03:23 matey; linux foundation: abuses coc
03:23 matey; lieplanet: does the same thing but its cool because fsf
03:23 matey; oh its the same people who cancelled the founder
03:23 matey; but who cares! hes TOTALLY back now
03:24 matey; so its cool, we can abuse the coc like lf does
03:24 matey; what do you care, heres your leader safe and sound *makes him wave*
03:24 matey; everything is COOL now!
03:24 matey; on twitter and microsoft github
03:24 *schestowitz_TR2 back for a bit
03:25 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GICE7DzR7ko
03:26 TR Bot; Austin Powers 2 Queen's Guard - Invidious
03:28 TR News; SUSE uses same buzzwords as ICBM, inc, "transformation" https://www.suse.com/c/understanding-the-new-drivers-of-transformation/
03:28 TR Bot; the new drivers of transformation | SUSE Communities
03:28 TR News; Berlin went through "transformation" in 1945
03:28 *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)
03:28 matey; Latest Posts
03:28 matey; Post #0:
03:28 matey; Posted on Thursday January 01, 1970
03:28 matey; Post #1:
03:28 matey; Posted on Thursday January 01, 1970
03:28 matey; Post #2:
03:28 matey; Posted on Thursday January 01, 1970
03:28 matey; Post #3:
03:28 matey; Posted on Thursday January 01, 1970
03:29 matey; it still does that?
03:29 matey; (isnt that the epoch?)
03:29 TR News; "The usual love for the Mars helicopter and KDE, rare praise for Mozilla, and fingers pointed at DuckDuckGo and Brave. Plus apprehension about Broadcoms VMware acquisition, and Intels new features." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-180/
03:29 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 180 Late Night Linux
03:29 matey; damned tz
03:30 matey; "the free software movenent is actually going backwards-- on location is a midget in a bikini..."
03:30 TR News; Norbert Preining: Modern world https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/06/modern-world/
03:30 TR Bot; Modern world | There and back again
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03:35 TR News; Turkey's Archman 2022.06.07 is out http://archman.org/ http://techrights.org/2022/06/02/turkey-in-pictures/
03:35 MinceR; Destructive Transformation
03:35 TR Bot; Archman GNU/Linux
03:35 TR Bot; In Picture: Updated and Finally Presented About 10 Minutes Ago, Windows Market Share in Turkey Down to 10% | Techrights
03:36 matey; we can pretend its still okay
03:36 matey; Latest Posts
03:36 matey; Post #0: Links 06/06/2022: New HTTP Core Specs
03:36 matey; at least its 2022 again
03:36 matey; (52 years later)
03:38 matey; "Y U DEFEND GUY WE MARTRD?"
03:38 matey; i guess theyll have to guess the answer to that
03:38 matey; :P
03:38 matey; i do want to know what brought this on though:
03:39 matey; (circa 2011, novemeber i think) I've chosen not to have any preferences among those ethical distros. In fact, I am not in a position to judge them on other criteria
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03:39 matey; "In fact, I am not in a position to judge them on other criteria"
03:39 matey; sure
03:39 matey; youre only the chief gnuisance.
03:39 matey; and the founder of the free software movement
03:39 matey; so clearly, youre in NO POSITION to have an opinion on this
03:40 matey; youre also not bulgarian, but you love their folk music
03:40 matey; maybe youre not in a position to like that either.
03:40 matey; 2011, just to be clear, is the same year mincer started complaining about systemd
03:41 matey; (2014 for me, i wasnt aware of it until it crawled into my debian installation)
03:41 matey; do i think the timing is a coincidence? PROBABLY, YES
03:41 matey; but is it ONE HELL OF A COINCIDENCE?
03:41 matey; i think its unfortunate at best
03:42 matey; 2011, just to be clear, is the same year mincer started complaining about systemd <-
03:42 matey; what i want to know is
03:42 matey; mincer, how are YOU in a position to judge systemd?
03:42 matey; youre not even a folk music!
03:43 TR News; I've recently discovered the importance of personal fitness gemini://sud0nim.smol.pub/personal-fitness-is-not-optional-in-a-fulfilling-life "This was not sustainable, though once I lost the weight I was able to keep it off for around a year, but then covid happened and being stationary for long stretches isn't known for being the best physical exercise."
03:43 matey; "mein fuhrer, steiner... steiner installed the latest debian and..."
03:43 matey; "he now has systemd as pid 1"
03:44 matey; "thats fine, richard stallman will say something about this"
03:44 matey; "stallman... he says hes in no position to say anything about it"
03:45 TR News; Dark age https://davelane.nz/current-digital-dark-age
03:45 TR Bot; The current (digital) Dark Age | Dave Lane
03:45 matey; "everyone but sullivan, oliva and knaugh, leave the room now"
03:46 matey; *woman sobs*
03:46 matey; "dont worry, we can install devuan"
03:46 matey; stallman already had one foot out the door 11 years ago
03:47 matey; i doubt he knew it was there
03:47 matey; but he had already lost the fight that far back
03:47 schestowitz_TR2; not just that
03:47 schestowitz_TR2; even before 2009
03:47 schestowitz_TR2; it's a perpetual coup
03:47 schestowitz_TR2; like "open source" 'announced'
03:48 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> it's a perpetual coup <- it is today
03:48 schestowitz_TR2; he commented on "open source" in 2002 for example: http://techrights.org/2022/06/04/richard-stallman-brazil/
03:48 TR Bot; Rare Interview With Richard Stallman (Uploaded Friday) | Techrights
03:48 matey; i mean "why open source misses the point" has been revised and refined for years
03:48 matey; i always thought it was too much of a softball
03:49 matey; i came here from open source
03:49 matey; by 2011 i had rejected it as a farce
03:49 matey; im not by any means saying im better than stallman
03:49 matey; he went in the direction of complancency
03:49 matey; he was still fighting in 2011
03:49 matey; just less than before
03:49 matey; technically he still fighting now
03:49 matey; just less than ever before
03:50 matey; i wouldnt care-- if i saw people stepping up to make up for the lack
03:50 matey; we arent there yet
03:50 matey; and its not just people not stepping up
03:50 matey; some people try
03:50 matey; and they have their work cut out, because of the "perpetual coup"
03:51 matey; i dont actually think anyone is trying as hard now (or at least managing as much) as stallman did back then
03:51 MinceR; 07 044247 < matey> youre not even a folk music!
03:51 MinceR; lol
03:51 MinceR; 07 044237 < matey> mincer, how are YOU in a position to judge systemd?
03:51 MinceR; i'm a software engineer
03:51 matey; cool
03:52 matey; also im sorry :)
03:52 MinceR; i'm trained in things poettering should have learned
03:52 matey; i wouldnt wish that fate on an enemy
03:52 matey; but its still cool
03:52 matey; youre a rare breed of software engineer
03:52 matey; in that youre not completely full of shit
03:52 matey; as most seem to be4
03:53 matey; but maybe youre a lapsed engineer :) like a lapsed catholic
03:53 matey; the best kind imo
03:53 matey; i dont mind engineers or catholics
03:53 matey; but the lapsed ones are still the most reasonable
03:53 matey; less dogma
03:54 matey; more catpics
03:54 matey; but best of all, you can criticise the church, i mean the industry
03:55 matey; i mean if the industry wasnt ridiculous, id probably still be using windows :)
03:55 matey; hardly a feat of engineering (well, social engineering maybe)
03:55 matey; i know thats horrible, and i dont like the thought of it either
03:56 TR News; Orange Pi 800 to give Raspberry Pi 400 some competition with a Rockchip RK3399 SoC and 4 GB of RAM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165616#comment-33903
03:56 TR Bot; Orange Pi 800 Keyboard PC - A Raspberry Pi 400 alternative powered by Rockchip RK3399 | Tux Machines
03:56 matey; /me wonders if being a software engineer would have convinced stallman to say that systemd was a piece of shit or not
03:57 TR News; Revealed: Why China blocked an Antarctic penguin rescue... https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-06-07-revealed-why-china-blocked-an-antarctic-penguin-rescue-plan/ Source: dailymaverick
03:57 matey; he couldnt have stopped there, and implied that simply being a piece of shit was enough to criticise something under a free license
03:57 TR Bot; Revealed: Why China blocked an Antarctic penguin rescue...
03:58 matey; as he had already covered that topic before
03:58 matey; he would have had to figure out that it wasnt a typical piece of shit where the solution is to either improve it or use something else
03:58 matey; but in fact a piece of shit designed to control users
03:58 matey; and REDUCE existing freedom
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 215.51
03:59 matey; he might have noticed a decades worth of debate on the topic
03:59 TR News; Whose idea was this PR stunt? https://mspoweruser.com/free-software-foundation-sends-hard-drive-to-microsoft-to-get-windows-7-source-code/ They need "bad Vista" and "7 Sins" back
03:59 matey; he might have considered it his place to weigh in
03:59 TR Bot; Software Foundation sends hard drive to Microsoft to get Windows 7 source code - MSPoweruser
03:59 matey; and technically at least, he did
03:59 matey; he never cared about unix philosophy
03:59 matey; when gnu was taken further from it, he didnt care about that
04:00 matey; when it actually cost freedom, (or made it more expensive, in a way that ensured people would have less of it)
04:00 matey; he didnt retroactively care about it
04:00 matey; and i wouldnt care about that-- if other people at the fsf had stepped up
04:00 matey; they didnt
04:00 matey; because (as youll see from years of debate) they didnt care either
04:01 matey; maybe a couple did, and it would be nice to find them
04:01 matey; i can say with confidence oliva wasnt among them
04:01 matey; which isnt surprising, as he only differed with stallman on so much (not much)
04:01 matey; knauth was not among them
04:02 matey; guix, if they were against systemd were still FOR github
04:02 matey; trisquel were not THE LEAST BIT interested in solutions that made systemd optional
04:03 matey; as i created and proposed one
04:03 matey; and trisquel had become the de facto fsf distro (as guix will now that theyve taken over everything)
04:03 matey; roy: no, blah blah blah stepped down
04:03 matey; me: yeah, and someone equally shit stepped into his place
04:03 matey; roy: no hes better
04:04 matey; me: nope, not by any significant criteria
04:04 matey; its too late for guix
04:05 matey; also guix is the fsdg version of something about as uncumbersome to use as arch
04:06 matey; so its not exactly a trisquel replacement anyone, even if one is deperately needed
04:06 matey; anyway
04:07 matey; the fsdg will be dead well before copyleft
04:07 matey; probably in stallmans lifetime
04:07 matey; if its not already
04:07 matey; im enough of a fan of the fsdg to come up with a (sort of) plan to bring EVERY distro into fsdg compliance
04:07 matey; and i dont know anyone else who has tried that
04:08 matey; but you cant squeeze blood from a turnip
04:08 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, June 06, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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04:08 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
04:10 TR News; Twitter already suffered profoundly from this and it might not survive the next 5 years https://mindmatters.ai/2022/06/will-musks-twitter-bid-win-or-lose-damage-twitters-power/
04:10 TR Bot; Will Musks Twitter Bid Win or Lose Damage Twitters Power? | Mind Matters
04:12 matey; stallman would have cared about the unix philosophy if he had understood the relationship between unix philosophy and freedom 3
04:12 matey; but instead he simply picked up unix and said "youll do"
04:12 TR News; "Stirring the pot, Musk recently slammed current medias marked disinterest in who teen sex trafficker Jeffrey Epsteins prominent clients were" https://mindmatters.ai/2022/06/will-musks-twitter-bid-win-or-lose-damage-twitters-power/ Bill Gates was enabling Epstein; Twitter CENSORED for Gates http://techrights.org/2021/02/04/twitter-berserk/
04:12 TR Bot; Twitter: We Suspend Your Account For Quoting the Media About Bill Gates | Techrights
04:12 matey; this is the true history, as hes said many times how any fucks he gives about unix
04:13 matey; free software was built on an invisible, implicit freedom
04:14 matey; that that invisible freedom away, and freedom 3 falls
04:14 matey; take away freedom 3, and the other 3 are also weakened, if they dont fall as well
04:14 matey; stallman DID NOT understand this
04:15 TR News; Elon Musk Says No One in the Media Cares About Exposing Jeffrey Epsteins Alleged Clients https://www.theepochtimes.com/elon-musk-says-no-one-in-the-media-cares-about-exposing-jeffrey-epsteins-alleged-clients_4512597.html http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/
04:15 matey; even today as it fails, he does not
04:15 TR Bot; Elon Musk Says No One in the Media Cares About Exposing Jeffrey Epsteins Alleged Clients
04:15 TR Bot; timed out after 10517 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ )
04:15 matey; marie curie did not understand radium
04:15 matey; and yet to her we owe much of our knowledge and understanding of it
04:16 TR News; "Well, he's dead."
04:16 matey; newton did not understand relativity, and yet gave us a pretty useful understanding of the material world
04:16 matey; more than just a start
04:16 matey; these arent small names
04:18 TR News; The Bill [fainted after his very supremely strong relationship with Jeffrey Esptein was discovered by NYTimes and] Melinda Gates Foundation
04:19 TR News; "Musk knows perfectly well that it is not so much that no one in current media cares as that most of them have a heavy investment in protecting good guys like Bill Gates around whom rumors swirl in this area and other icons as well." https://mindmatters.ai/2022/06/will-musks-twitter-bid-win-or-lose-damage-twitters-power/
04:19 TR News; Twitter banned Bill Gates critics while Gates was PAYING Twitter http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/
04:19 TR Bot; Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights
04:21 matey; Theories of lift generation are often based either on Bernoullis principle or Newtons laws of motion. Both Bernoullis principle and Newtons laws of motion are without any doubt flawless, however, misleading interpretations of these laws are made to explain generation of lift.
04:21 matey; and Newtons laws of motion are without any doubt flawless, <- where would you find a scientist that would refer to any scientic law as being
04:21 matey; "flawless"
04:21 TR News; US government: we have this list of high-profile clients of Jeffrey Epstein, but we won't publish it because then you might know who they are and their currently very political life and professional career might be harmed by that.
04:22 matey; maybe theyre speaking science a second language
04:22 matey; like im typing
04:22 TR News; After paying a lot of money to bail out our queen's son we're again paying a lot of money for her extravagant parties (Jubilee).
04:23 matey; Usually it is believed that when air rushes over the curved upper wing surface, it has to travel further than the air that passes underneath, so it has to go faster (to cover more distance in the same time). According to a principle of aerodynamics called Bernoullis law, fast-moving air is at lower pressure than slow-moving air, so the pressure above the wing is lower than the pressure below, and this creates the lift
04:23 matey; This is called equal transit time theory. Experimentally, it is found that two air molecules passing through upper and lower surface dont necessarily meet at the trailing edge. In fact, the air molecule through the upper section reaches the trailing edge earlier. So, this explanation is wrong.
04:23 matey; Though the Bernoullis principle is correctly applied in this theory, the overall assumption that the fluid particle meet at the trailing edge is wrong. Therefore, this theory fails to successfully explain lift generation.
04:24 TR News; "A pair of cotton top tamarin twins are one of the worlds most endangered primates with less than 2,000 breeding animals estimated to be left in the wild." https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2022/06/02/news/baby-boom-at-belfast-zoo-2730497/
04:24 TR Bot; Baby Boom at Belfast Zoo - The Irish News
04:24 matey; Both the Newtons laws of motion and Bernoullis principle are the foundations for calculating any forces. The fundamental problem is that neither theory fully explains real- world observations. Bernoullis principle tells that the faster air on top of the wing experiences reduced pressure which is correct but does not explain why
04:25 matey; It also does not explain inverted flight. Thats where Newtons second and third laws come into play. Taken together, Newtons laws describe how we can fly reversed and how angle of attack works.
04:26 matey; As air flows over the curved upper surface, its natural inclination is to move in a straight line, but the curve of the wing pulls it around and back down. This creates curved streamline. Because the air is changing direction there must exist a centripetal force acting normal to the direction of motion.
04:26 TR News; Debian is NOT tough to install at all. There's even a graphical installer. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/toughest-linux-operating-systems-install/
04:26 TR Bot; Are These the Toughest Linux Operating Systems to Install?
04:26 matey; If a streamline is straight, R and dp/dn = 0. Therefore, there is no pressure gradient across straight streamlines. In other words, if a streamline is curved, there must be a pressure gradient across the streamline, with the pressure increasing in the direction away from the centre of curvature.
04:26 matey; As a result, there is low pressure at the upper section of airfoil and higher pressure at the lower section. This concept holds true for inverted flight as well as different angle of attacks.
04:27 matey; ive read a really great biography of the wright brothers
04:27 matey; i have no idea if they knew how flight works. i know they made it work, i know they experimented with scale models and scaled up
04:27 matey; which i think is awesome
04:27 schestowitz_TR2; the US version of aviation history?
04:28 matey; is there a version that says the wright brothers did not create a working plane?
04:28 matey; because im addressing the methodology, not who got there first
04:28 matey; if they stole the design id be interested in knowing from whom
04:29 TR News; LOL. Some sites take this whole "metaverse" BS SERIOUSLY. https://coresight.com/research/the-metaverse-in-retail-taking-brand-recognition-engagement-and-loyalty-to-a-new-level/ what next? NFT mysticism?
04:29 matey; it probably would have flopped commercially if not for wwii
04:29 TR Bot; Metaverse in Retail: Taking Brand Recognition, Engagement and Loyalty to a New Level | Coresight Research
04:30 matey; who in their right mind wants to step into a big metal (or WOODEN) thing with wings jutting out from it
04:30 TR News; Literally military-funded propaganda and recruitment tool https://www.callofduty.com/blog/2022/06/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-II-introduction-new-era-infinity-ward
04:30 TR Bot; Preparing for the New Era of Call of Duty, Presented by Infinity Ward
04:31 matey; but if the choice is that or being an army grunt, id reconsider
04:31 matey; and if i got a parachute at least id think about it for well more than 30 seconds
04:32 matey; and if i worked for ibm id probably try to figure out how to make it more likely to shoot brown people
04:32 matey; but thats because ibm are a bunch of racist arseholes
04:33 matey; point being, i dont know if the wright brothers actually understood how lift works, in any sense other than practical of course
04:33 TR News; Department of Energy ready to use Frontier supercomputer to solve 24 science problems - FedScoop https://www.fedscoop.com/exascale-computing-project-frontier-24-problems/ Source: fedscoop
04:33 matey; i know they studied the fuck out of whatever they could get their hands on
04:34 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.fedscoop.com/exascale-computing-project-frontier-24-problems/ )
04:34 matey; i DONT know if it covered what they needed to know, because most scientists said it was impossible and youre nuts to waste time on it
04:34 matey; their attitude towards flight was not unlike ariadnes attitude towards chatting online :)
04:35 TR News; LOL! A "virtual keynote"... but "travel-friendly features". Stay home, people!! But here, in case you travel https://thepointsguy.com/news/apple-ios-16-travel-features/
04:35 TR Bot; 10 travel-friendly features coming to Apples newest iPhone software
04:35 matey; maybe they understood lift scientifically (the theory)
04:35 matey; or perhaps they only experimented sufficiently to create a working machine
04:35 matey; but not to (correctly) explain how it works
04:36 matey; presently im trying to find a source that answers this
04:36 TR News; Popular Mechanics playing along with Zuckerberg's nonsense, a rebrand of virtual reality (VR) designed to distract from the company's scandals and collapse. Very disappointing that a good publication would participate... https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a39728709/metaverse-social-platforms-connection/
04:36 TR Bot; Creating Connection In The Metaverse | Best Virtual Reality Gear
04:36 matey; but only to possibly compare it to stallman creating 4 freedoms that missed the implicit fifth :)
04:37 matey; because i really believe a reasonable amount of modularity (already present in early goals of free software-- but not explicitly so) is a PREREQUISITE for freedom 3
04:37 matey; and i dont think stallman ever knew that
04:38 TR News; A good start: don't get them 'smart' 'phones' https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/education/article262066807.html
04:38 matey; but whether or not the wright brothers understood lift scientifically, they made a working machine anyway
04:38 matey; they understood the practical, but i dont know if they knew the theory (correctly)
04:39 matey; i wonder if you think someone else invented heavier-than-air-flight
04:39 matey; and if so, who
04:39 TR News; LEHMAN BROTHERS does not even exist anymore! http://thettablog.blogspot.com/2022/06/cafc-affirms-ttab-s-lehman-brothers.html
04:39 matey; either way, paper airplanes count (imo) and the wrights were inspired by those
04:39 matey; they already existed
04:39 matey; so they didnt invent paper gliders
04:39 TR News; Software Patents https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/6/3/2000-for-zentian-prior-art
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04:40 matey; and it eludes my why scientists didnt just build a big fucking paper glider and hop on, attached to a truck or something
04:40 TR News; "blog posts on why patents matter" https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/6/6/improving-patent-quality-by-changing-the-usptos-rce-and-continuation-practices
04:40 matey; everyone wanted to jump off a cliff
04:40 matey; go ahead
04:40 matey; let the marketing people test them
04:41 matey; but a truck with a line should have sufficed
04:41 matey; hindsight is 20/20 eh
04:41 TR News; Germany has been hijacked by 'patent nazis' https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=8ba4572f-24bc-4722-8f18-befa14780ef5
04:41 matey; its so obvious a hundred years later
04:42 TR News; FOSS Patents: Apple and other WiFi implementers pressuring IEEE not to abandon its 2015 patent policy--but serious impact of negative Letters of Assurance can't be denied http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/05/apple-and-other-wifi-implementers.html Source: fosspatents
04:43 matey; /me sees what the pimple-faced oracle says about who invented flight
04:43 matey; thats both ageist and its not
04:43 matey; wikipedia is probably child labour on average. but its volunteer work so whatever
04:43 TR News; Loaded and misleading headline from site of patent maximalists https://news.bloomberglaw.com/tech-and-telecom-law/inventor-robots-deserve-patent-rights-federal-circuit-to-hear
04:43 matey; so you can make fun of a younger generation by saying wikipedia is written by kids
04:44 matey; but when you do so, its probably the most interesting and complete (and on average, accurate) encyclopedia ever written
04:44 matey; so its not TOO ageist
04:44 matey; "hey kid, all you did was invent the space shuttle"
04:44 matey; "yeah, so?"
04:44 matey; so SPACE SHUTTLES SUCK! cut your hair and get a real job
04:44 matey; /me shrugs
04:45 Ariadne; actually the space shuttle is pretty cool
04:45 matey; i agree
04:45 matey; i was a big fan as a kid
04:45 matey; less so now, but my point was based on it being pretty cool
04:45 matey; and the person saying they suck was a hypothetical (straw man) idiot
04:45 matey; as a kid i would have preferred a shuttle ride
04:46 matey; knowing what i know about the shuttle ill take a saturn rocket, thx
04:46 matey; but for what it wanted to do, and typically did, the shuttle is a cooler idea
04:47 matey; also cool, a BOLEX soviet shuttle https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-q7ZVXOU3kM
04:47 matey; for something that actually works: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=V2xVSmzPzW4
04:48 matey; and does something more innovative (first of its kind in production) <- only one made
04:48 matey; wont get you to the moon, unless earth was headed in that direction already
04:48 TR News; Tax evasion, then EPO, another financial scam full of crime. "To illustrate the importance of Israel as a hub for intellectual property, a report released today by the European Patent Office (EPO)" https://www.finews.asia/finance/36665-cs-ubs-israel-joseph-wolf-ubs-payback-asia-apac
04:49 matey; but it does fly under radar
04:49 TR News; String of NIH departures continues as Ned Sharpless, head of the National Cancer Institute, steps down https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/string-nih-departures-continue-ned-sharpless-head-national-cancer-institute-steps-down
04:50 matey; Karakalpakstan <- wins most made-up sounding locale ive ever heard that actually exists
04:50 matey; twitter has probably banned it already
04:50 TR News; "How long will it take for my European Patent application to be granted?" Well, the EPO became a rubber-stamping machine, giving lots of fake patent; who is that good for? https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d07e9325-8423-4d18-9602-c6ddca8af2bc
04:51 schestowitz_TR2; is that a district near memphis?
04:52 schestowitz_TR2; reserved for kikistocrats from pakistan?
04:52 matey; schestowitz_TR2: according to our intelligence reports
04:52 schestowitz_TR2; *kak
04:52 matey; its somewhere north, south, east or west of memphis
04:52 matey; yes i thought of kekistan too
04:52 matey; though i didnt say it (until just now)
04:52 schestowitz_TR2; new name for EPO
04:52 matey; also i only found it looking for the "caspian sea monster"
04:53 schestowitz_TR2; they hire the worst
04:53 schestowitz_TR2; and then promote the world
04:53 matey; which (like so many things) ALSO sounds like a 4chan meme, and in fact isnt
04:53 schestowitz_TR2; then they just grant
04:53 matey; (yet)
04:53 matey; this much is certain, the epo really sucks
04:53 matey; i have no doubt of this
04:53 matey; and the people who lead the epo suck AT LEAST as much as the epo itself does
04:53 schestowitz_TR2; they hire military people
04:54 schestowitz_TR2; who then rebranded as "scientists"
04:54 matey; ive met some ok military people
04:54 matey; its ironic to put them in positions about patents
04:54 matey; at least in the states because
04:54 matey; the dod isnt held to patent law
04:54 matey; i dont think the crown is either
04:54 matey; but i dont know how that works out for the military
04:55 schestowitz_TR2; they just impose it
04:55 matey; "one can tell intellectual property where to stick it when one wants to"
04:55 schestowitz_TR2; it's to protect those in power
04:55 schestowitz_TR2; not to challenge power
04:56 matey; but she cant SAY it sucks even if it does, because that would be a constitutional crisis!
04:56 matey; even if they dont have a bloody constitution (i know this isnt so, but its funny in a way)
04:57 matey; american laws (most of it): a blatant ripoff of british laws
04:57 matey; also american laws: the basis for saying you have no business making blatant ripoffs of things
04:58 matey; im sorry, what i meant was thomas jefferson pulled centuries worth of ideas about running a country completely from his arse
04:58 matey; he was that clever
04:58 matey; AND he played the violin
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04:59 matey; (with only his own scores i would wager)
05:00 matey; and that is why intellectual property matters!
05:00 matey; because if not for intellectual property, the united states would not exist
05:00 matey; tada
05:04 Ariadne; what.
05:05 matey; satire
05:05 matey; satire
05:05 matey; complete and utter
05:05 matey; (
05:05 matey; (although american laws DO HEAVILY borrow from british ones, for fairly obvious reasons)
05:06 matey; "for this album bon jovi came in with bagpies and an accordion, but after that he went BACK to his roots"
05:09 matey; www.quora.com/How-did-the-Wright-brothers-even-think-of-flight?share=1 The Wrights did not "think of" flight out of the blue. All they did and it's a very big "all" is think up the idea, which had never occurred to anyone before, that since an airplane flies in 3 dimensions, it needs 3-axis controls to be able to fly in anything other that completely calm winds for a very short distance.
05:11 matey; its still weird to steer a vehicle on the ground using a rudder instead of moving the wheels though
05:11 matey; even though adding steering capability to the wheels would probably just about the dumbest thing you could do
05:12 matey; "okay, landing now-- hold the yoke REALLY fucking firmly, we dont want to go off the side of the runway"
05:13 matey; if lennart designed airplanes
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05:13 matey; "cars use rack and pinion. planes should use rack and pinion!"
05:14 matey; "anyway you can disable steering with systemdctl-steeringlock:1"
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05:14 matey; "or you could just use the rudder"
05:14 matey; "yeah if you like going back to the days of the wright brothers"
05:17 matey; "i find the term 'yoke' offensive, they used to put secondaries in those"
05:17 matey; "oh, shut up"
05:18 matey; http://understandingslavery.com/artefact/yoke/
05:21 matey; Top Gun: Maverick: Is the Cast Really Flying the Planes? | POPSUGAR
05:21 matey; *facepalm*
05:21 matey; YES AND GOOSE REALLY DIED!
05:21 matey; tragic accicent
05:21 matey; like my typing
05:21 matey; meg ryan will have to raise that kid alone
05:23 matey; *spoiler
05:25 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoke_(aeronautics)
05:25 matey; go ahead, ibm
05:25 matey; you know what to do
05:28 matey; <schestowitz> black wallpaper... <- deny wallpaper
05:29 matey; it denies pixels
05:29 matey; except on lcd it allows them (chamone)
05:30 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=F2AitTPI5U0
05:57 matey; Torvalds holds the Linux trademark[47] and monitors its use,[48] chiefly through the Linux Mark Institute.
05:58 matey; The Linux Mark Institute (LMI, fully "LMI Oregon, LLC"[1]) is an organization which administers the "Linux" trademark on behalf of Linus Torvalds for computer software which includes the Linux kernel, computer hardware utilizing Linux-based software, and for services associated with the implementation and documentation of Linux-based products.
05:58 matey; LMI originally charged a nominal sublicensing fee for use of the Linux name as part of trademarks,[4] but later changed this in favor of offering a free, perpetual worldwide sublicense.[6]
05:58 matey; (who is linux mark?)
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05:59 matey; The foundation was launched in 2000, under the Open Source Development Labs (OSDL) and became the organization it is today when OSDL merged with the Free Standards Group (FSG). The Linux Foundation sponsors the work of Linux creator Linus Torvalds and lead maintainer Greg Kroah-Hartman.
06:01 matey; ^ no history section
06:01 matey; "The Linux Foundation (LF) is a non-profit technology consortium founded in 2000 as a merger between Open Source Development Labs and the Free Standards Group to standardize Linux"
06:02 matey; techradar:
06:02 matey; TechRadar The next big Linux update could be something pretty special
06:02 matey; The next big Linux update could be a big deal, according to foundation founder and head honcho Linus Torvalds.
06:02 matey; " foundation founder and head honcho Linus Torvalds" <- fake news
06:02 matey; did he found any foundation?
06:03 matey; http://techrights.org/2022/06/06/new-http-core-specs/
06:03 matey; did torvalds found "a merger between Open Source Development Labs and the Free Standards Group"
06:03 matey; " It is a major force in promoting diversity and inclusion in both Linux and the wider open source software community."
06:04 matey; is there a nigerian 319 scam community too?
06:04 matey; 419
06:06 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Development_Labs Its employees included Linus Torvalds, the first OSDL fellow, and Bryce Harrington. In 2005, Andrew "Tridge" Tridgell was the second OSDL fellow for a year.
06:07 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Standards_Group On January 22, 2007, the Free Standards Group and the OSDL merged to form The Linux Foundation
06:07 matey; jan 2007
06:08 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Linux_Foundation The Linux Foundation (LF) is a non-profit technology consortium founded in 2000 as a merger
06:08 matey; so thats pretty cool
06:08 matey; linux was founded in the 1980s, 1991, 2000 AND 2007!
06:08 matey; NO WONDER its so popular
06:09 matey; "Mr. Burns, your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?"
06:10 matey; but from wikipedia you cant really tell if lf was founded in 2000 (as it says on the lf page) or in 2007 (as it says on the fsg page)
06:10 Ariadne; 10:03 PM <matey> " It is a major force in promoting diversity and inclusion in both Linux and the wider open source software community."
06:10 Ariadne; pressing X to doubt on that
06:10 matey; me too
06:10 matey; im just quoting nonsense there
06:10 matey; but its a real quote (of a wiki)
06:11 Ariadne; i think some people there do believe in that very strongly and try to do good work
06:11 matey; even i believed in open source once
06:11 matey; more than 11 years ago
06:11 Ariadne; but there are other people who then undermine that work by threatening to sue/ban/whatever people who have valid criticisms
06:11 matey; but quite sincerely
06:12 Ariadne; see also: kubecon EU vs kat cosgrove
06:12 matey; but there are other people who then undermine that work by threatening to sue/ban/whatever people who have valid criticisms <- valid critcism clashes with aggressive marketing initiatives
06:12 matey; see also: kubecon EU vs kat cosgrove <- never heard of that, sounds interesting
06:12 Ariadne; they literally brought some nutcase from CNN to complain about kat cosgrove saying that she would not attend kubecon if they did not take COVID seriously
06:13 matey; they literally brought some nutcase from CNN to complain <- lol
06:13 Ariadne; and that kat "violated the code of conduct" by criticising their lax COVID policy
06:13 Ariadne; what a joke
06:13 matey; and that kat "violated the code of conduct"
06:14 matey; ill hand it to you, thats one of the three most ridiculous code of conduct applications ive ever heard
06:14 matey; i wouldnt even know how to rank those 3
06:14 matey; the one where it was noted that someone was critical of lf or some corporation supporting lf was pretty hilarious
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06:14 matey; treating some org as a person that deserves a safe space of its own
06:15 matey; because some organisations have ptsd
06:15 Ariadne; the LF employee who made these threats is still employed by LF
06:15 matey; "who made these threats" <- wait i didnt notice any threat
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06:16 Ariadne; the LF person threatened to ban kat cosgrove for "CoC violations" due to her criticism
06:17 Ariadne; her criticism being "people should tell LF they won't attend if they don't take COVID seriously"
06:17 matey; threatened to ban kat cosgrove for "CoC violations" due to her criticism <- yeah thats
06:17 matey; i dont even
06:17 matey; COC-19
06:18 Ariadne; i mean, COVID is still a serious thing, and we are still in a pandemic
06:18 Ariadne; it is not unreasonable to ask LF to take it seriously
06:18 matey; 100% agree
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06:19 matey; not sure how coc makes any org immune to criticism
06:19 matey; imo the best way to handle that is
06:19 matey; be reasonable, get the ban
06:19 matey; then have a lot of other get banned until they run out of participants
06:19 matey; its like a game of chicken
06:20 matey; either at some point they stop banning people, and show what a farce it is
06:20 matey; or they keep banning people until theyre out of useful people
06:20 matey; this of course is a "fuck everything" strategy
06:20 matey; and there may be a more reasonable less aggressive move that works just as well
06:20 matey; but im not against fighting ridiculous with ridiculous
06:21 matey; how could i be
06:21 matey; but if the game of chicken worked, it becomes a message to all coc-masters
06:22 matey; not just to one org
06:22 matey; if el reg wasnt softly nibbling the hand that feeds i.t., it would be front page stuff
06:23 matey; "holding hands and staring longingly into the eyes of the person with the hand that feeds i,t,"
06:28 matey; fsg was founded in 2000, and in 2007 it merged with osdl to create the linux foundation, which was retroactively founded in 2000 (by way of 2007)
06:28 matey; osdl was also founded in 2000 (i guess) so
06:29 matey; hahaha
06:29 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Linux#Criticism_by_Microsoft
06:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-06.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-07.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:30 matey; In 2004, Microsoft initiated its Get the Facts marketing campaign, which specifically criticized Linux server usage.[34] In particular, it claimed that the vulnerabilities of Windows
06:30 matey; well thats a good start
06:31 matey; i want to read an article from tide that includes "criticism" from "the other leading detergent"
06:32 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reese's_Peanut_Butter_Cups#Criticism
06:32 matey; "There is peanut butter in the chocolate, and there is chocolate in the peanut butter"
06:34 matey; In 2004, Microsoft initiated its Get the Facts marketing campaign <- WHICH SOMEHOW contributes TO wp:npov, and somehow marketing qualifies as a "trustworthy source"
06:34 matey; thats a new low for wp imnnpovpov (in my non-npov point of view)
06:36 matey; As mentioned above, while some criticism has led to new features and better user-friendliness, the Linux community as a whole has a reputation for being resistant to criticism.
06:36 matey; so its resistant to marketing campaigns against it which are initiated by competitors
06:36 matey; maybe they should WORK TOGETHER
06:36 matey; oh wait, they do
06:37 matey; im ready to consider the possibility that the internet is the southern united states of the world
06:37 matey; maybe even texas
06:38 matey; and at this rate, florida
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06:40 matey; Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales has stated that the germ of the concept for Wikipedia, for him, came back when he was a graduate student at Indiana University where he was impressed with the successes of the open-source movement and found Richard Stallman's Emacs Manifesto promoting free software and a sharing economy to be quite interesting.
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06:42 matey; On Tuesday 14 December 2010, developer Tim Starling found backups on SourceForge containing every change made to Wikipedia from its creation in January 2001 to 17 August 2001.
06:42 matey; wow
06:42 matey; It showed the first edit as being to HomePage on 15 January 2001, reading "This is the new WikiPedia!". That edit was imported in 2019 and can be found here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/908493298
06:43 matey; WikiPedia
06:43 matey; some smart person figured out that wasnt the best way to do caps on it
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07:25 TR News; xkcd: Or Whatever https://xkcd.com/2629/ Source: xkcd
07:27 TR News; 281: Linux Alternatives to Adobe Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Illustrator & more - Destination Linux - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/destination-linux/dl-281/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux
07:29 TR News; List all Installed Packages on Ubuntu and Debian-based Linux Distributions Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165714
07:29 TR News; "Technically, ESP32 can run Linux, but its more for show that any practical applications" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/07/osm-size-0-solder-on-lga-module-comes-with-esp32-wifi-ble-mcu/
07:32 TR News; Panfrost now offers a fully-conformant OpenGL ES 3.1 implementation for Mali-G57 (Valhall) GPU http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165695#comment-33904
07:34 TR News; BillBC, infiltrated by Microsoft and bribed by Bill Gates, neglects to mention Microsoft as one of those spying fiends https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61603624
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07:38 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
07:41 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165715
07:41 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
07:44 TR News; Links 07/06/2022: GNU/Linux Shows and Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/07/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/07/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter/
07:44 TR Bot; Links 07/06/2022: GNU/Linux Shows and Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter | Techrights
07:45 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165716
07:45 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
07:45 TR News; Destination Linux and Late Night Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165717
07:45 TR Bot; Destination Linux and Late Night Linux | Tux Machines
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08:19 TR News; "When you are transferring a large number of files that take some time, the rsync command shows a blank output" https://linuxhandbook.com/rsync-show-progress/ | Source: Linux Handbook
08:19 TR Bot; Show File Transfer Progress With Rsync Command
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08:20 TR News; "Routing is the transfer of an IP packet from one point to another across the network" https://vitux.com/how-to-view-the-network-routing-table-in-ubuntu/ | Source: Vitux
08:20 TR Bot; to View the Network Routing Table in Ubuntu Linux - VITUX
08:21 TR News; "In a world that wants to track every move you make, we think its important to have alternatives that are free, open and respect your digital rights." https://puri.sm/posts/the-ultimate-guide-to-free-software/ | Source: Purism
08:21 TR Bot; The Ultimate Guide to Free Software Purism
08:22 TR News; "The Rockchip RK3399 contains a dual core Arm Cortex-A72 (up to 1.8GHz) and a quad-core Arm Cortex-A53 (up to 1.4GHz)." https://linuxgizmos.com/orange-pi-800-emulates-raspberry-pi-400-keyboard-pc/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
08:22 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/orange-pi-800-emulates-raspberry-pi-400-keyboard-pc/ )
08:24 TR News; "A few months ago, Elephant Robotics launched the myPalletizer, which was a robotic ARM with 4 degrees of freedom (DOF) built around the Raspberry Pi 4." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165687#comment-33905
08:24 TR Bot; MechArm Pi 270 is a desktop robotic arm powered by a Raspberry Pi 4 SBC | Tux Machines
08:31 TR News; Set Static IP Address And DNS On FreeBSD https://ostechnix.com/set-static-ip-address-and-dns-on-freebsd/ | Source: OSTechNix
08:31 TR Bot; Static IP Address And DNS On FreeBSD - OSTechNix
08:33 TR News; New York State Passes First Electronics Right-to-Repair Bill - SoylentNews <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/06/05/1334249"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
08:33 TR Bot; New York State Passes First Electronics Right-to-Repair Bill - SoylentNews
08:35 TR News; "A word on why exposing corruption doesn't matter" https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/a-word-on-why-exposing-corruption:f iophk: also, youtube is hiding his videos now
08:35 TR Bot; A word on why exposing corruption doesn't matter
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08:35 TR News; The Ultimate Guide to Free Software https://odysee.com/@purism:8/the-ultimate-guide-to-free-software:b Source: purism
08:35 TR Bot; The Ultimate Guide to Free Software
08:36 TR News; When AI is the Inventor Who Gets the Patent? - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/06/05/1350208 Source: soylentnews
08:36 TR Bot; When AI is the Inventor Who Gets the Patent? - SoylentNews
08:37 TR News; old: The Charm of Linux by Hazel Russman | Goodreads https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/25754562-the-charm-of-linux Source: goodreads
08:37 TR Bot; The Charm of Linux by Hazel Russman
08:38 TR News; "or rather dismantling it and replacing it with a cheap imitation" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-060622.html#tJun%2006%2007:40:49
08:38 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 06, 2022
08:38 TR News; MIDI https://boingboing.net/2022/06/06/midi-pioneer-dave-smith-dead-at-72.html
08:38 TR Bot; MIDI pioneer Dave Smith dead at 72 | Boing Boing
08:40 TR News; old: Russia vs supply of food https://www.usda.gov/oce/commodity/wasde/wasde0522.pdf
08:43 TR News; "For a friends memorial I signed up to make a batch of images into a slideshow." https://blog.jonudell.net/2022/06/05/what-happened-to-simple-basic-web-hosting/ | Source: Jon Udell
08:43 TR Bot; What happened to simple, basic web hosting? Jon Udell
08:43 TR News; "No magic. No plan. No philosophy. Just copying what demonstrably works for someone I know directly." https://danielmiessler.com/blog/just-copy-what-works/ | Source: Daniel Miessler
08:43 TR Bot; Just Copy What Works - Daniel Miessler
08:44 TR News; "The area of divergence is that in the general filesystem API, directories don't have contents, just children." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/WebPathsNotQuiteFilesystemAPI | Source: uni Toronto
08:44 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/WebPathsNotQuiteFilesystemAPI
08:44 TR News; "Instead, I wanted to show how you can use Wireshark to find which specific packet triggered a Snort rule in seconds from within the Wireshark GUI, giving you all the surrounding context that a PCAP can give you." https://blog.apnic.net/2022/05/30/wiresharks-little-known-snort-post-dissector/ | Source: APNIC
08:44 TR Bot; Wireshark's little known Snort post-dissector | APNIC Blog
08:47 TR News; "The other day I woke up and I thought Im going to migrate my server to OpenBSD for absolutely no reason." https://qorg11.net/openbsd.xhtml |
08:47 TR Bot; - OpenBSD
08:47 TR News; "Hello and welcome back to another Friday Product Post here at SparkFun Electronics!" https://www.sparkfun.com/news/4665 | Source: SparkFun Electronics
08:47 TR Bot; Pressure - News - SparkFun Electronics
08:48 TR News; Links 07/06/2022: GNU/Linux Shows and Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/07/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/07/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter/
08:48 TR Bot; Links 07/06/2022: GNU/Linux Shows and Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter | Techrights
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08:50 TR News; Midnight Pub reaches 1000 posts gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1000
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08:51 TR News; Eva 0.4 released gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/eva_0.4_released.gmi "While there's still two glaring omissions (client certs and history) from Eva's feature set I consider Eva to be a solid application for browsing around the Smolweb at this point."
08:53 TR News; "OSOR introduces the new Interactive Resource Map, developed to facilitate the visualisation of resources available on OSOR." https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/interactive-map-oss-resources | Source: Joinup
08:53 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/interactive-map-oss-resources )
08:54 TR News; "With a drastic change over the period of time, technology has changed." https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-does-the-internet-work/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks
08:54 TR Bot; How Does the Internet Work? - GeeksforGeeks
08:55 TR News; "Code bloat sounds like something that grumpy old programmers in their fifties (like me) make a big deal out of" https://www.positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/2022/06/05/code-bloat-has-become-astronomical/ |
08:55 TR News; "The first four are from Bill Joy and Tom Lyon (co-founders of Sun)." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/design-systems-and-boundaries/ | Source: Jim Nielsen
08:55 TR Bot; Code bloat has become astronomical Cliffski's Blog
08:55 TR Bot; Reflections on Design Systems and Boundaries - Jim Nielsens Blog
08:56 TR News; "The dimension of an array can simply be defined as the number of subscripts or indices required to specify a particular element of the array." https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/what-is-meant-by-dimensionality-of-an-array/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks
08:56 TR Bot; What is meant by dimensionality of an Array? - GeeksforGeeks
08:56 TR News; "Its no secret that I prefer audio over text. This weekend I wrote a quick script that converts gemini:// sites to audio." https://rickcarlino.com/2021/audio-gemini.html | Source: Rick Carlino
08:56 TR Bot; A Script to Convert Gemini Sites to Audio
08:56 TR News; "?-> is a combinator that takes a predicate test and a transformer, and returns a unary procedure" https://idiomdrottning.org/conditional-transformation | Source: Idiomdrottning
08:56 TR Bot; A conditionally transforming combinator
08:56 TR News; [Old] "This sort of thing drives me absolutely insane, but its also why I have a successful business" https://www.positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/2022/05/31/for-the-love-of-god-please-use-your-own-product/ |
08:56 TR Bot; For the love of god PLEASE use your own product Cliffski's Blog
08:57 TR News; "pins removes the hassle of managing data across projects, colleagues, and teams by providing a central place for people to store" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/06/announcing-pins-for-python/ | Source: Rlang
08:57 TR Bot; pins for Python | R-bloggers
08:57 TR News; "Known as the father of MIDI, Smith invented widely adopted synths including the Prophet-5" https://pitchfork.com/news/dave-smith-sequential-synth-founder-and-midi-pioneer-dies-at-72/ | Source: Cond Nast
08:57 TR Bot; Smith, Sequential Synth Founder and MIDI Pioneer, Dies at 72 | Pitchfork
08:58 TR News; "Though the Prophet-5 would be Sequentials flagship instrument, and received many updates via future releases" https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/dave-smith-midi-prophet-5-dies-1235080789/ |
08:58 TR Bot; Smith Dead: Prophet-5 and MIDI Pioneer Dies at 72 Billboard
08:58 TR News; "Today, MIDI is ubiquitous in not only synthesizer keyboards and drum machines, but DAWs, guitar pedals, controllers..." https://musictech.com/news/industry/dave-smith-sequential-dies-at-72-prophet-5/ |
08:58 TR Bot; Smith, founder of Sequential and father of MIDI, has died at 72 | MusicTech
08:58 TR News; "In 1981, Smith presented a paper at the Audio Engineering Society (AES) convention in New York proposing a USI" https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2022/06/01/sequential-founder-father-of-midi-dave-smith-has-died/ |
08:58 TR Bot; Founder & Father Of MIDI Dave Smith Has Died Synthtopia
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09:01 TR News; "She said the dispatcher admonished her for speaking quietly on the call" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/04/nyregion/buffalo-shooting-911-dispatcher-fired.html | Source: New York Times
09:02 TR Bot; Dispatcher Fired Over Mishandling 911 Call During Buffalo Shooting - The New York Times
09:03 TR News; "suspended political reporter Dave Weigel without pay for 30 days after he retweeted" https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/washington-post-suspends-reporter-sexist-joke-1235286205/ | Source: Variety
09:03 TR Bot; Post Suspends Dave Weigel After He Retweeted Sexist Joke - Variety
09:05 TR News; "In the old days, this was recognised by many wise heads of department, who allowed people to trade lecturing ability for success in getting grants and publishing papers." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/declining-self-determination-eroding-academic-motivation | Source: Times Higher Education
09:05 TR Bot; NO TITLE
09:07 TR News; "According to the CBS/YouGov poll, 44% of GOP voters and 15% of Democratic voters feel that frequent mass shootings are an inescapable reality" https://www.salon.com/2022/06/06/nearly-half-of-say-we-have-to-accept-mass-as-part-of-a-free-society_partner/ | Source: Salon
09:07 TR Bot; half of Republicans say we have to accept mass shootings as part of a free society | Salon.com
09:07 TR News; "Motor vehicle traffic deaths 40,698; All firearm death 45,222" https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
09:07 TR Bot; FastStats - Injuries
09:07 TR News; [Old] "The switchover, which happened in 2017, stems from both a reduction in vehicle-related deaths and a grim uptick in gun-related fatalities" https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/guns-now-kill-more-children-and-young-adults-than-car-crashes/ | Source: Scientific American
09:07 TR Bot; Guns Now Kill More Children and Young Adults Than Car Crashes - Scientific American
09:09 TR News; "An attempt to develop a server that is compatible with the AOL 3.0 clients (originally released back in 1996)" https://lunduke.substack.com/p/re-aol-a-reverse-engineered-aol-30 | Source: Bryan Lunduke
09:09 TR Bot; Re-AOL: A reverse-engineered AOL 3.0 server written in Python
09:10 TR News; "The software connects more deeply into core driving systems than prior versions that were limited to the vehicle's infotainment displays for playing music and showing maps." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/apple-dives-deeper-into-autos-with-software-for-car-dashboard/92050235 | Source: India Times
09:10 TR Bot; Apple CarPlay: Apple dives deeper into autos with software for car dashboard, CIO News, ET CIO
09:10 TR News; "This is sometimes called the power button, and sometimes the TouchID. It is a sort of combined power-lock-unlock button." https://blog.plover.com/2022/06/02/#mac-lock-button | Source: Mark Dominus
09:10 TR Bot; The Universe of Discourse : Disabling the awful Macbook screen lock key
09:10 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Monday, June 06, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/07/irc-log-060622/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/07/irc-log-060622/
09:10 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Monday, June 06, 2022 | Techrights
09:12 TR News; "With masked email, the focus is on auto-generated random, unique identifiers." https://www.pcworld.com/article/708303/what-is-masked-email-this-new-spin-on-an-old-practice-supercharges-your-security.html | Source: PC World
09:12 TR Bot; is masked email? Try this security practice now | PCWorld
09:12 TR News; "Germany must show true leadership and set a strong precedent in the EU against the use of mass data retention to fight serious crimes" https://edri.org/our-work/stop-data-retention-in-germany-and-the-european-union/ | Source: EDRI
09:13 TR Bot; Stop data retention in Germany and the European Union - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
09:15 TR News; "My group made sure that a strong ban on biometric mass surveillance will be considered" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/biometric-mass-surveillance-lets-not-follow-russias-example/ | Source: Patrick Breyer
09:15 TR Bot; Biometric mass surveillance: Lets not follow Russias example! Patrick Breyer
09:15 TR News; "The Chromium team is planning on phasing out Manifest V2, its current set of extension APIs" https://seirdy.one/posts/2022/06/04/layered-content-blocking/ | Source: Rohan Kumar
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09:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-06.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-07.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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09:45 TR News; "According to Washington, when the platform is up and running you can register your spouse by providing their ID" https://www.techzim.co.zw/2022/06/zimbabwe-married-men-database-haaa-guys-have-we-failed-that-badly/ | Source: Zimbabwe
09:45 TR Bot; Zimbabwe Married Men Database: Haaa guys, have we failed that badly? - Techzim
09:59 TR News; 13 Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to the Top Utility Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165718
09:59 TR Bot; 13 Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to the Top Utility | Tux Machines
10:00 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165719
10:00 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
10:05 TR News; "I noticed a little bit of visitors/readers coming to my other blog via "theforest.link", so I checked it out, and it's a site that prompts you to "go for a walk", and then that button takes you to a sort of random Smol Web site." gemini://tmo.smol.pub/1654583226
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10:20 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/07/a-twisted-form-of-democracy "In Sunday's referendum, Kazakhstanis voted to amend the country's Constitution. The authorities call it a step towards democracy,but many have doubts"
10:20 TR Bot; NO TITLE
10:20 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/251943
10:20 TR Bot; Unlike Moskva cruiser, Moskva sailors were part of special military operation, Russian Defense Ministry admits
10:21 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/07/vk-top-manager-vladimir-gabrielyan-dies-in-tragic-accident-in-russian-arctic-news "VK top manager Vladimir Gabrielyan dies in tragic accident in Russian Arctic"
10:21 TR Bot; .
10:27 TR News; "The San Francisco Chronicle charges for subscriptions." https://kevin.burke.dev/kevin/san-francisco-chronicle-pricing/ | Source: Kevin Burke
10:27 TR Bot; How much does a San Francisco Chronicle subscription cost? | Kevin Burke
10:27 TR News; "On Oct. 1, 2021 the same day Michael Gableman issued subpoenas for election materials in Wisconsin" https://www.americanoversight.org/cyber-ninjas-emails-show-further-links-between-arizona-audit-and-wisconsin-election-investigation | Source: American Oversight
10:27 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.americanoversight.org/cyber-ninjas-emails-show-further-links-between-arizona-audit-and-wisconsin-election-investigation )
10:44 TR News; Tiananmen https://blog.jdpfu.com/2022/06/04/remember-tiananmen-square-protests-and-massacre-june-4th-1989 | Source: JDPFu
10:44 TR Bot; reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://blog.jdpfu.com/2022/06/04/remember-tiananmen-square-protests-and-massacre-june-4th-1989 )
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10:58 TR News; "Facebook's previous chief security officer, Alex Stamos, left in 2018." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/meta-names-guy-rosen-chief-information-security-officer/92050196 | Source: India Times
10:58 TR Bot; Guy Rosen: Meta names Guy Rosen chief information security officer, CIO News, ET CIO
10:58 TR News; "Google has been ordered to pay former NSW deputy premier and Monaro MP John Barilaro $715,000 in defamation damages over two YouTube videos hosted by YouTube." https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/listed-tech/google-ordered-to-pay-john-barilaro-$715,000-over-friendlyjordies-videos.html | Source: IT Wire
10:58 TR Bot; - Google ordered to pay John Barilaro $715,000 over FriendlyJordies videos
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11:03 TR News; Regulatory Capture https://doctorow.medium.com/regulatory-capture-59b2013e2526 | Source: Cory Doctorow
11:03 TR Bot; Regulatory Capture. Beyond Revolving Doors and Against | by Cory Doctorow | Jun, 2022 | Medium
11:07 TR News; "Unlike other social platforms, like Instagram or TikTok, it is primarily devoted to news-sharing" https://www.teenvogue.com/story/young-journalists-of-color-twitter | Source: Teen Vogue
11:07 TR Bot; Young Journalists of Color Say Twitter Is a Tool for Networking and Industry Info | Teen Vogue
11:07 TR News; "information, whether true or false, that I would rather people not possess or share." https://reason.com/2022/06/04/youre-wrong-about-disinformation/ | Source: Reason
11:07 TR Bot; You're Wrong About Disinformation
11:07 TR News; "Online debates are waste of time. They are no good for anything but for trolls to spend time and satisfy their need to be seen." https://alirezahayati.com/2022/06/06/online-debates/ | Source: Ali Reza Hayati
11:08 TR Bot; Online debates - Ali Reza Hayati
11:13 TR News; "If the law eventually goes into effect, it would force social media companies to change how they moderate posts" https://www.cnet.com/news/social-media-censorship-law-still-a-threat/ | Source: CNET
11:13 TR Bot; Media Censorship Law Is Still a Threat, Despite High Court's Block - CNET
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11:20 *psydruid notes there is a group of (game) developers who applaud and encourage closed source software on GNU/Linux and dismiss free software engines for all kinds of vague reasons
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11:29 DaemonFC; <techrights-news> "If the law eventually goes into effect, it would force social media companies to change how they moderate posts" https://www.cnet.com/news/social-media-censorship-law-still-a-threat/ | Source: CNET
11:30 DaemonFC; Or they could push through an update to their terms of service that forces users to waive their right to sue them over their content moderation policies before they can continue using the site.
11:31 DaemonFC; They lost their BIPA case because instead of explaining to Illinois users how their biometrics were being collected and used, they just did it and offered no explanation that it was happening or opt-out.
11:33 DaemonFC; Listening to the radio, they're making fun of Smuckers for the recall of JIF peanut butter for salmonella.
11:33 DaemonFC; I don't eat JIF because it's really expensive and it's just not good.
11:34 DaemonFC; There's plenty of others that taste better. Including Walmart's, which is the cheapest, and tastes best.
11:34 DaemonFC; But Skippy isn't bad.
11:34 DaemonFC; schestowitz, Now they're talking about restaurants. Americans polled are now more likely to say they don't tip restaurant workers.
11:35 DaemonFC; About a third don't tip anything.
11:35 DaemonFC; And the restaurants are adding "COVID surcharges".
11:35 DaemonFC; Sure, why not?
11:35 DaemonFC; Hit the customer with a 3% fee you don't disclose until they get the bill.
11:36 DaemonFC; That'll make them want to come back with gas at $6 a gallon.
11:38 DaemonFC; https://www.wxxinews.org/capitol-bureau/2022-06-06/three-weeks-after-buffalo-mass-shooting-hochul-signs-gun-bills-into-law
11:38 TR Bot; Three weeks after Buffalo mass shooting, Hochul signs gun bills into law
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11:38 DaemonFC; California had a minimum age of 21 to buy an AR-15. It was struck down.
11:39 DaemonFC; "Under the measures, law enforcement will now be required to ask a judge for an order to seize the guns of anyone they think might be a threat to themselves or others."
11:39 DaemonFC; Indiana had this before the red flag law technically existed.
11:40 DaemonFC; Police in California pulled a man from Indiana over with a trunk full of guns several months after a judge in Indiana ordered the Sheriff to confiscate them due to pointing one at his neighbor, which he was also facing criminal charges for.
11:40 DaemonFC; The police never did it.
11:40 TR News; "You may think there is one less voice in Hong Kong, but if I stay" https://hongkongfp.com/2022/06/06/third-political-cartoonist-leaves-hong-kong-in-less-than-7-weeks-citing-shrinking-artistic-freedoms/ | Source: Hong Kong Free Press
11:40 TR Bot; Third political cartoonist leaves Hong Kong in less than 7 weeks, citing shrinking artistic freedom - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
11:40 TR News; "Before the fateful date arrives, the CCP goes to extra lengths to cover up any mention of the events in 1989." https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/why-does-china-censor-the-tiananmen-square-anniversary-1115251.html | Source: Deccan Herald
11:40 TR Bot; Why does China censor the Tiananmen Square anniversary? | Deccan Herald
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12:04 TR News; "Another anniversary of the Tiananmen crackdown has come and gone" https://hongkongfp.com/2022/06/06/why-banning-hong-kongs-tiananmen-crackdown-commemorations-highlights-the-authorities-insecurities/ | Source: Hong Kong Free Press
12:04 TR Bot; Why banning Hong Kong's Tiananmen crackdown commemorations highlights the authorities' insecurities - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
12:05 TR News; "Police largely thwarted attempts by Hongkongers to mark the 33rd anniversary of the Tiananmen crackdown on Saturday" https://hongkongfp.com/2022/06/05/tiananmen-crackdown-anniversary-hong-kong-police-make-6-arrests-as-beijing-slams-consulates-for-political-tricks/ | Source: Hong Kong Free Press
12:05 TR Bot; Tiananmen crackdown anniversary: Hong Kong police make 6 arrests as Beijing slams consulates for 'political tricks' - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
12:05 TR News; "But just as Lis career was gaining momentum, partly because his major rival Viya disappeared from the industry for tax evasion last year" https://qz.com/2173411/chinese-shoppers-are-learning-about-tiananmen-square-from-a-top-influencer/ | Source: Quartz
↺ https://qz.com/2173411/chinese-shoppers-are-learning-about-tiananmen-square-from-a-top-influencer/
12:05 TR Bot; Chinese shoppers are learning about Tiananmen Square from a top influencer Quartz
12:17 TR News; "He accused Moscow of "false equivalence" in comparing independent US journalists to the sanctioned Russian media" https://today.rtl.lu/news/world/a/1924203.html | Source: RTL
12:17 TR Bot; RTL Today - Moscow: Washington accuses Russia of trying to 'intimidate' US media in Russia
12:17 TR News; "The Dicle Frat Journalists' Association (DFG) released a report on rights violations against journalists in May." https://bianet.org/english/freedom-of-expression/262903-eleven-journalists-detained-in-turkey-in-may | Source: BIA Net
12:17 TR Bot; Eleven journalists detained in Turkey in May - english
12:17 TR News; "Spanish National High Court Judge Santiago Pedraz summoned Pompeo along with former US counterintelligence official William Evanina as witnesses in the case." https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/mike-pompeo-summoned-spanish-court-explain-assange-assassination-plot | Source: Morning Star UK
12:17 TR Bot; Mike Pompeo summoned by Spanish court to explain Assange assassination plot | Morning Star
12:17 TR News; "There was drama at the Zimbabwe Broadcasting Corporation (ZBC) as CEO Adelaide Chikunguru was said to have stormed out of a meeting with employees according to a report by New Zimbabwe." https://www.techzim.co.zw/2022/06/zbc-ceo-rules-with-an-iron-fist-as-employees-reject-new-job-evaluation-system/ | Source: Zimbabwe
12:17 TR Bot; ZBC CEO "rules with an iron fist" as employees reject new job evaluation system - Techzim
12:22 TR News; "Several decisions made during the 1980s, in the infancy of IPv4" https://blog.apnic.net/2022/05/31/cutting-down-on-ip-address-waste/ | Source: APNIC
12:22 TR Bot; Cutting down on IP address waste | APNIC Blog
12:22 TR News; "That is according to a new GAO report that identified more than 100 federal programs overseen by 15 agencies" https://www.nexttv.com/news/gao-us-lacks-synchronized-broadband-plan | Source: Next TV
12:22 TR Bot; GAO: U.S. Lacks Synchronized Broadband Plan | Multichannel News
12:23 TR News; "Intellectual [sic] Property [sic] (IP) law specialist Associate Professor Alexandra George and AI expert" https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/06/220601200018.htm | Source: Science Daily
12:23 TR Bot; AI is the inventor who gets the patent? -- ScienceDaily
12:24 TR News; "But even Jack Dongarra at Top500 admits that not every supercomputer is listed" https://www.newscientist.com/article/2322963-are-the-worlds-most-powerful-supercomputers-operating-in-secret/ | Source: New Scientist
12:24 TR Bot; Exascale supercomputers: Are the world's most powerful machines operating in secret? | New Scientist
12:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-06.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-07.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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13:00 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/251951
13:00 TR Bot; Nearly 600 conscripts were involved in Ukrainian war, Russian military prosecutor says
13:00 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/251952
13:00 TR Bot; TASS: Taliban representative to attend St. Petersburg International Economic Forum
13:01 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/07/russian-interior-ministry-sets-up-quick-response-directorate-for-enforcing-order-in-case-of-martial-law-news "Russian Interior Ministry sets up quick response directorate for enforcing order in case of martial law"
13:01 TR Bot; .
13:01 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/07/defence-minister-shoigu-russian-army-takes-control-over-residential-areas-of-sievierodonetsk-and-opens-mainland-route-to-crimea-news "Defence Minister Shoigu: Russian army takes control over residential areas of Sieverodonetsk and opens mainland route to Crimea"
13:01 TR Bot; .
13:23 TR News; "Mariah Carey and Sony Music were sued by a guy named Andy Stone" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/06/not-how-any-of-this-works-mariah-carey-sued-over-title-of-song/ | Source: Techdirt
13:23 TR Bot; timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/06/not-how-any-of-this-works-mariah-carey-sued-over-title-of-song/ )
13:23 TR News; "There are so, so, so many different discussions going on concerning internet platform regulations" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/06/new-bipartisan-federal-privacy-bill-tries-to-build-consensus-support-and-basically-succeeds-in-annoying-everyone/ | Source: Techdirt
13:23 TR Bot; Bipartisan Federal Privacy Bill Tries To Build Consensus Support, And Basically Succeeds In Annoying Everyone | Techdirt
13:24 TR News; "54 years ago today, June 6, Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated and America turned into a darker, meaner place in the five decades" https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/06/robert-f-kennedy-a-golden-age-cut-short/ | Source: Scheerpost
13:24 TR Bot; F. Kennedy: A Golden Age Cut Short scheerpost.com
13:25 TR News; Craftomation https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/craftomation-101-merges-survival-crafting-and-automation-programming/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:25 TR Bot; 101 merges survival, crafting and automation programming | GamingOnLinux
13:25 TR News; "Another remake of a classic has landed, with Atari's Gravitar from the 80s now being available on Steam with Gravitar: Recharged." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/gravitar-recharged-released-from-atari-revamping-another-classic/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:25 TR Bot; Recharged released from Atari revamping another classic | GamingOnLinux
13:25 TR News; #HowTo install an application graphically in Ubuntu/Debian Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165720
13:25 TR Bot; How to install an application graphically in Ubuntu/Debian | Tux Machines
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13:28 TR News; ScummVM 2.6 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/scummvm-26-is-incoming-devs-asking-for-testing-help-of-more-retro-games/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:28 TR Bot; 2.6 is incoming, devs asking for testing help of more retro games | GamingOnLinux
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13:28 TR News; Action Quake 2 (AQtion) https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/action-quake-2-aqtion-considered-the-precursor-to-counter-strike-now-on-steam/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:28 TR Bot; Quake 2 (AQtion), considered the 'precursor' to Counter-Strike now on Steam | GamingOnLinux
13:34 TR News; Financial security gives people the time and space they need to properly organise against social and class injustice; thus, the ruling class wants to obliterate the middle class. The ruling class DOES have financial security, but this class does not fight itself; yet worse, those people collude to cover up for each other (shared goals)
13:39 TR News; Endlanders : First Encounter https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/endlanders-is-a-glitchy-rpg-with-real-time-deck-building-grid-based-combat/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:39 TR Bot; is a glitchy RPG with real-time deck-building grid-based combat | GamingOnLinux
13:39 TR News; Easy Anti-Cheat = rootkit https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/free-to-play-shooter-rogue-company-verified-playable-on-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:39 TR Bot; to play shooter Rogue Company verified 'Playable' on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
13:40 TR News; Bloatware: "AngularJS is a JavaScript-based open-source front-end web application framework that assists with running single-page applications." https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-angularjs-on-almalinux/ | Source: RoseHosting
13:40 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-angularjs-on-almalinux/ )
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13:42 TR News; "Since Diablo Immortal is the hot new thing, I decided to attempt to give it a go on Steam Deck." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/diablo-immortal-works-on-steam-deck-plus-a-fix-for-battlenet-being-slow/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:42 TR Bot; Immortal works on Steam Deck, plus a fix for Battle.net being slow | GamingOnLinux
13:42 TR News; "For readers who prefer to shop over on GOG, their Summer Sale has just started along with some new releases" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/gog-summer-sale-now-live-new-releases-from-sega/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:42 TR Bot; Summer Sale now live with new releases from SEGA | GamingOnLinux
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13:46 TR News; Debt, political... https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/06/russias-political-debt-default/ | Source: Counter Punch
13:46 TR Bot; Political Debt Default - CounterPunch.org
13:47 TR News; Assange https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/06/the-australian-labor-party-and-julian-assange/ | Source: Counter Punch
13:47 TR Bot; Australian Labor Party and Julian Assange - CounterPunch.org
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13:53 TR News; Passenger Data Act, https://digit.site36.net/2022/06/06/eu-pnr-directive-germany-stored-and-processed-63-million-passengers/ | Source: Site36
13:53 TR Bot; EU PNR Directive: Germany stored and processed 63 million passengers Security Architectures in the EU
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13:55 TR News; Starbucks https://truthout.org/articles/workers-fight-back-as-starbucks-moves-to-close-unionized-shop/ | Source: TruthOut
13:55 TR Bot; Workers Fight Back as Starbucks Moves to Close Unionized Shop
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14:00 DaemonFC; Starbucks also all of a sudden gives raises, but only to stores without a union.
14:00 DaemonFC; Divide and conquer.
14:00 DaemonFC; Show the rest that if they unionize, no raises and their store may even close.
14:01 schestowitz_TR2; yes, EPO did the same
14:01 schestowitz_TR2; they create a yellow union or "exemplary" workforce
14:01 schestowitz_TR2; not sure about barrista scabs
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14:07 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D608.jpg
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14:08 TR News; War for corporations https://truthout.org/video/corporate-media-is-leaving-pro-negotiation-voices-out-of-ukraine-russia-reports/ | Source: TruthOut
14:08 TR Bot; Corporate Media Are Leaving Pro-Negotiation Voices Out of Ukraine-Russia Reports
14:09 TR News; "Vanden Heuvel says U.S. corporate media is responsible for what she calls a one-sided debate on Ukraine, which is greenlighting unprecedented spending on weapons over the importance of negotiations." https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/6/katrina_vanden_heuvel_kyiv_severodonetsk_ukraine
14:09 TR Bot; Katrina vanden Heuvel on How U.S. Medias One-Sided Debate on Ukraine Fans the Flames of War | Democracy Now!
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14:10 TR News; COVID-19 https://truthout.org/articles/covid-is-not-behind-us-its-still-sending-children-to-the-emergency-room/ | Source: TruthOut
14:10 TR Bot; COVID Is Not Behind Us Its Still Sending Children to the Emergency Room
14:13 TR News; "Steven King" https://torrentfreak.com/iptv-pirate-must-pay-963k-or-88-month-prison-sentence-becomes-168-220607/ | Source: Torrent Freak
↺ https://torrentfreak.com/iptv-pirate-must-pay-963k-or-88-month-prison-sentence-becomes-168-220607/
14:13 TR Bot; Pirate Must Pay 963K or 88 Month Prison Sentence Becomes 168 Months * TorrentFreak
14:14 TR News; "Popular stream-ripping site Yout.com has rejected a deal from Brazil's public prosecutor to 'resolve' a criminal lawsuit." https://torrentfreak.com/yout-com-operator-rejects-deal-offered-by-brazils-criminal-prosecutor-220606/ | Source: Torrent Freak
14:14 TR Bot; Operator Rejects Deal Offered By Brazil's Criminal Prosecutor * TorrentFreak
14:18 TR News; Very bad idea as it is proprietary, it is controlled by Microsoft, it spies on the users, and these instructions give Microsoft complete (root) control over your GNU/Linux PC "https://idroot.us/install-visual-studio-code-almalinux-9/
14:18 TR Bot; How To Install Visual Studio Code on AlmaLinux 9 - idroot
14:19 TR News; SDL outsourced to Microsoft PROPRIETARY software. Guess what happens next: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SDL2-Adds-DX12-Backend
14:19 TR Bot; Adds A DirectX 12 Renderer Backend - Phoronix
14:22 TR News; #KeepItOn: 2022 elections and internet shutdowns watch https://www.accessnow.org/elections-internet-shutdowns-watch-2022/ Source: accessnow
14:22 TR Bot; #KeepItOn: 2022 elections and internet shutdowns watch
14:22 TR News; Serpent OS: A Word From The Founder Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165721
14:22 TR Bot; Serpent OS: A Word From The Founder | Tux Machines
14:25 TR News; Instead of patching its own ACTIVELY-EXPLOITED holes Microsoft launched a weeks-long anti-Linux FUD campaign in the media, accusing Linux of having security lapses (that were not) https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/06/microsoft-wont-say-if-it-will-patch-critical-windows-vulnerability-under-exploit/
14:25 TR Bot; Microsoft wont say if it will patch critical Windows vulnerability under exploit | Ars Technica
14:31 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165722
14:31 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
14:31 TR News; Games: Craftomation, Gravitar: Recharged, and ScummVM Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165723
14:31 TR Bot; Games: Craftomation, Gravitar: Recharged, and ScummVM | Tux Machines
14:36 TR News; Proprietary Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165724
14:36 TR Bot; Proprietary Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:41 TR News; links-07062022-serpent-os-founder-is-back | Gemini address: links-07062022-serpent-os-founder-is-back
14:42 TR News; Links 07/06/2022: Serpent OS Founder is Back | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/07/serpent-os-founder/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/07/serpent-os-founder/
14:42 TR Bot; Links 07/06/2022: Serpent OS Founder is Back | Techrights
14:42 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165725
14:42 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:43 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165726
14:43 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
14:43 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/2206039
14:43 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/r6qmLzh.jpg created on 2022-06-03 03:12:07.264910
14:54 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/07/russian-courts-start-seizing-assets-of-citizens-charged-under-fake-news-law-news "Russian courts start seizing assets of citizens charged under fake news law"
14:54 TR Bot; .
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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15:26 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22052340
15:26 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/sr1rbxpzku091.png created on 2022-05-23 15:01:08.587957
15:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-06.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-07.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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15:54 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/07/i-asked-them-to-remove-mom-s-chains-they-refused "In their own words, ethnic Kazakhs whose loved ones disappeared into Xinjiangs internment camps describe their fight for answers"
15:55 TR Bot; NO TITLE
15:57 TR News; SUSE releases Service Pack 4 for Linux Enterprise 15 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165727
15:57 TR Bot; SUSE releases Service Pack 4 for Linux Enterprise 15 | Tux Machines
15:57 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165728
15:57 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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16:10 TR News; SpellBinding: AIMPRTU Wordo: PAWNS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-06-07.gmi
16:11 TR News; Starbucks https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/06/blatant-act-war-workers-fight-back-starbucks-moves-close-unionized-shop | Source: Common Dreams
16:12 TR Bot; 'Blatant Act of War': Workers Fight Back as Starbucks Moves to Close Unionized Shop
16:12 TR News; Colonised workforces need to get organised and unionised
16:13 TR News; LEGO Bricks For Data Storage https://hackaday.com/2022/06/06/how-to-use-lego-bricks-for-data-storage/ | Source: Hackaday
16:13 TR Bot; To Use LEGO Bricks For Data Storage | Hackaday
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16:24 matey; "In their own words, ethnic Kazakhs whose loved ones disappeared into Xinjiangs internment camps"
16:24 matey; :(
16:26 TR News; Monopolies https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/baby-formula-climate-crisis/ | Source: The Nation
16:26 TR Bot; The Baby Formula Shortage Is a Preview of a Coming Food Crisis | The Nation
16:26 TR News; Internet as mob https://www.thenation.com/article/society/amber-heard-johnny-depp-defamation/ | Source: The Nation
16:26 TR Bot; Why the Internet Sided With Johnny Depp | The Nation
16:27 matey; even if our governments actually gave a shit about any of this
16:27 matey; thats only half the battle
16:27 matey; its just an opportunity for them
16:28 matey; the only way for this to truly stop is for the people to take over
16:28 schestowitz_TR2; US or china?
16:28 schestowitz_TR2; people taking ovcer is not always good
16:28 schestowitz_TR2; you end up with totally violent or dumb people running things
16:29 schestowitz_TR2; happened before
16:29 matey; i mean, until then we will have to wait to be "lucky" and for a government to be distratcted, cat-like, and move from one prey to another, finally leaving the former alone
16:29 matey; US or china? <- among those, yes
16:29 schestowitz_TR2; there is always a bunch of false dichotomies
16:29 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> people taking ovcer is not always good <- no, it depends on what is meant by "people taking over"
16:29 schestowitz_TR2; yeah
16:29 schestowitz_TR2; people always run things
16:29 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> there is always a bunch of false dichotomies <- this is a false dichotomy
16:29 schestowitz_TR2; depends which "the people"
16:30 schestowitz_TR2; "populism" became a radical word
16:30 matey; youre literally making it into "people taking over" or "not taking over"
16:30 matey; its about what it means, not yes or no
16:30 schestowitz_TR2; oligarchs' media reserved this word for bigots
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16:30 matey; im against people taking over under false pretenses
16:31 matey; because when they do, that never works out
16:31 TR News; "big telecom" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/06/att-gets-assemblymember-sharon-quirk-silva-to-push-a-shitty-bill-undermining-state-efforts-to-deliver-affordable-fiber/ | Source: Techdirt
16:31 TR Bot; Gets Assemblymember Sharon Quirk-Silva To Push A Shitty Bill Undermining State Efforts To Deliver Affordable Fiber | Techdirt
16:31 matey; people who lie to take over lie after theyve taken over
16:31 matey; this is simple and bulletproof logic
16:31 matey; with countless historical examples
16:31 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "But this time it happened in Mexico, under a government that has promised to be governed by human rights, compassion and sovereignty." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/06/at-midpoint-in-amlos-administration-mexico-urgently-needs-a-dignified-and-sovereign-migration-policy/ | Source: Counter Punch
16:31 TR Bot; Midpoint in AMLO's Administration, Mexico Urgently Needs a Dignified and Sovereign Migration Policy - CounterPunch.org
16:32 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> people taking ovcer is not always good <- <schestowitz_TR2> you end up with totally violent or dumb people running things <- not necessarily, no
16:32 TR News; How to make it sound like 96% or more are employed (lies from oligarchs): "while the unemployment remained unchanged at 3.6" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/06/strong-job-growth-in-may-wage-pressure-eases/ | Source: Counter Punch
16:32 TR Bot; Job Growth in May, Wage Pressure Eases - CounterPunch.org
16:33 matey; its a childish (and fallacious) approach to simply look at results and what happened before that, its literally post-hoc fallacy
16:33 TR News; "COVID pandemic was beginning to radically transform day-to-day life for nearly everyone on the planet" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/06/us-postal-service-sued-for-seizing-defund-police-facemasks/ | Source: Techdirt
16:33 matey; if you cant explain the route from a to b, the connection is not established
16:33 TR Bot; Postal Service Sued For Seizing Defund Police Facemasks | Techdirt
16:34 matey; once you explain the causal relationship, you learn its not a (people taking over) but a->b (how the relationship works, and how the initiative failed)
16:34 matey; thats the difference between a causal relationship and a fallacy / false assumption
16:34 matey; the nice thing about a fallacy of course, is a 2-year-old can understand it
16:34 matey; but since its not a useful understanding, thats sort of moot.
16:34 TR News; Using A LIDAR Sensor To Monitor Your Mailbox https://hackaday.com/2022/06/06/using-a-lidar-sensor-to-monitor-your-mailbox/ | Source: Hackaday
16:34 TR Bot; A LIDAR Sensor To Monitor Your Mailbox | Hackaday
16:35 TR News; "From scratch" https://hackaday.com/2022/06/06/a-solar-frame-from-scratch/ | Source: Hackaday
16:35 TR Bot; Solar Frame From Scratch | Hackaday
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16:35 TR News; "hate speech or actions related to the insulting of religions" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/speech-related-offenses-should-be-excluded-proposed-un-cybercrime-treaty | Source: EFF
16:35 TR Bot; Speech-Related Offenses Should be Excluded from the Proposed UN Cybercrime Treaty | Electronic Frontier Foundation
16:43 TR News; Pompeo https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/06/spains-high-court-demands-pompeo-testify-alleged-plot-kidnap-or-kill-assange | Source: Common Dreams
16:43 TR Bot; Spain's High Court Demands Pompeo Testify on Alleged Plot to Kidnap or Kill Assange
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16:44 TR News; Oligarchy https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/06/06/it-doesnt-matter-oligarchy-how-many-mass-shootings-there-are | Source: Common Dreams
16:44 TR Bot; Opinion | It Doesn't Matter to the Oligarchy How Many Mass Shootings There Are | Chris Hedges
16:55 matey; https://techrights.org/2020/08/09/different-circumstances/
16:55 TR Bot; I Would Have Supported the Coup (Under Very Different Circumstances) | Techrights
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
17:00 matey; "speaking out is something Free software must do, and if the president cant do that, then the organisation is impotent."
17:00 matey; knauth doesnt speak out, and neither will the next one
17:01 matey; instead they "promote" free software like a product, but they dont speak out like an organisation that actually stands for freedom would
17:01 matey; "join us so we can throw the fight for your freedom!"
17:03 matey; "All versions of [their] plan involve creating new rules and stressing new priorities for Free software that just happen to cut rms and his supporters out of the picture."
17:05 matey; "If you trust the people that did this, they will (continue to) do the same to you."
17:20 TR News; LOL "multiple windows on iPads". Welcome to 1990s! https://www.maketecheasier.com/wwdc-2022-iphone-lock-screen-m2-chip/
17:20 TR Bot; WWDC 2022 Brings New iPhone Lock Screen and M2 Chip - Make Tech Easier
17:25 TR News; How Garbage Collection works inside a Java Virtual Machine | https://opensource.com/article/22/6/garbage-collection-java-virtual-machine Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
17:25 TR Bot; Garbage Collection works inside a Java Virtual Machine | Opensource.com
17:28 TR News; "I am a HiFi maniac, so I am affected greatly by this law. I can choose to buy a pair of headphones for $20, $200, or for over $2000. There is probably a 2-3x quality increase in sound between the $20 and $200 headphones. The difference in quality is even less noticeable from $200 to $2000." https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/lie-just-a-little-more/
17:28 TR Bot; The lie of 'Just a Little More' | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik
17:31 TR News; Fedora 34 is EOL https://lwn.net/Articles/897247/ "As of the 7th of June 2022, Fedora 34 has reached its end of life for updates and support"
17:31 TR Bot; 34 is EOL [LWN.net]
17:31 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of deepin 20.6 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=d7dsRiuQOLc
17:32 TR Bot; timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=d7dsRiuQOLc )
17:33 TR News; "Sizable performance improvements with RHEL 9.0 were seen on both the Intel Ice Lake and AMD EPYC Milan(X) server platforms." So some of those chips sent to Michael are worth about $10,000 each (Milan) https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=redhat-rhel9-benchmarks&num=3
17:33 TR Bot; Hat Enterprise Linux 9.0 Performing Well, Great Benefit To Newer Intel Xeon & AMD EPYC Servers - Phoronix
17:36 TR News; Thousands of PyPI and RubyGems RPMs now available for RHEL 9 https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/06/07/thousands-pypi-and-rubygems-rpms-now-available-rhel-9
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17:37 TR News; Mozilla Thunderbird: Welcome To The Thunderbird 102 Beta! Resources, Links, And Guides https://blog.thunderbird.net/2022/06/welcome-to-the-thunderbird-102-beta-resources-links-and-guides/
17:37 TR Bot; Welcome To The Thunderbird 102 Beta! Resources, Links, And Guides
17:38 TR News; "Were pleased to announce the general availability of Red Hat Advanced Cluster Management for Kubernetes 2.5" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-brings-greater-simplicity-and-flexibility-kubernetes-management-latest-version-red-hat-advanced-cluster-management-kubernetes
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17:39 TR News; "Owl Labs has released security updates to address a vulnerability (CVE-2022-31460) in Meeting Owl Pro and Whiteboard Owl. An attacker could exploit this vulnerability to obtain sensitive information." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/07/owl-labs-releases-security-updates-meeting-owl-pro-and-whiteboard
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17:39 TR News; "The city of Kherson and Kherson region continues to be plunged into darkness through ongoing internet shutdowns. We, again, call on Russian authorities to immediately stop their interference." https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
17:39 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now
17:41 TR News; Suse bolsters security in Linux Enterprise 15 update http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165727#comment-33906
17:41 TR Bot; SUSE releases Service Pack 4 for Linux Enterprise 15 | Tux Machines
17:43 TR News; "Vulnerabilities: Uncontrolled Resource Consumption, Improper Handling of Length Parameter Inconsistency, Improper Input Validation" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-334-02
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17:43 TR News; UN Experts join civil society in condemning Myanmar militarys digital dictatorship and call for Member State action - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/un-experts-civil-society-condemn-myanmar-military-digital-dictatorship/ Source: accessnow
17:43 TR Bot; UN Experts join civil society in condemning Myanmar militarys digital dictatorship and call for Member State action - Access Now
17:44 TR News; Compromise at last U.S. bipartisan data privacy bill is positive step towards tackling discrimination - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/us-bipartisan-data-privacy-bill/ Source: accessnow
17:44 TR Bot; Compromise at last U.S. bipartisan data privacy bill is positive step towards tackling discrimination - Access Now
17:44 TR News; [PATCH] arm64: Enable docker support in defconfig - Vincenzo Frascino https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220606140103.32779-1-vincenzo.frascino@arm.com/ Source: arm
17:44 TR Bot; [PATCH] arm64: Enable docker support in defconfig - Vincenzo Frascino
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17:48 psydruid; M2 Macbook (Air/Pro): How to make an already expensive laptop even more expensive!
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17:51 matey; the difference between a macbook air and an ipad is where they put the electronics
17:51 matey; in the ipad theyre in the screen, in the macbook air theyre in the keyboard
17:51 matey; either way the screen detaches easily. but with the ipad you can reattach the keyboard
17:53 matey; you can technically reattach the keyboard to the macbook air, but its probably cheaper to just replace it
17:56 TR News; Apple sales must be REALLY bad... and don't let them blame "supply". Demand is low, now they use the "Linux" brand. https://www.imore.com/macos-ventura-includes-support-rosetta-arm-linux-vms https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/macos-ventura-will-extend-rosetta-support-to-linux-virtual-machines/
17:56 TR Bot; Ventura includes support for Rosetta in ARM Linux VMs | iMore
17:56 TR Bot; Apple will allow Linux VMs to run Intel apps with Rosetta in macOS Ventura | Ars Technica
17:57 matey; /me thinks the air will be retired before the ipad
17:57 matey; apple has made design mistakes before
17:57 matey; they enjoy making pcs that look like trashcans
17:57 matey; theyve had touch sensors for power switches that stopped working
17:58 TR News; LOL!!! "Packit shows basic information about allowlisting"... is that what Jim AllowHurst wanted to call it? https://packit.dev/posts/weekly/june-2022/ Fedora "community" = bots
17:58 matey; i think one of the trashcans (the cube) had such a sensor
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17:58 matey; they made a macbook out of titanium with two problems
17:58 matey; the paint wouldnt hold and the hinge was too brittle
17:59 matey; so theyll probably retire the macbook air as well
17:59 TR News; Contribute at the Fedora Linux 37 Test Week for Kernel 5.18 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/contribute-at-the-fedora-linux-37-test-week-for-kernel-5-18/ become a slave of ICBM, they might give you payment in the form of PANDA NFT
17:59 matey; nobody wants a laptop with a screen so close to breaking off, its practically pre-broken
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17:59 matey; i like the form factor, but if the design is shit the form factor is moot
18:00 TR News; If you work for Red Hat, you are "IBM employee 100% of the time." Like slaves in the barn of the slaveowners.
18:00 matey; the hinge was too brittle <- that also applied to the rest of the case, but i think the hinge felt the worst of it
18:00 TR News; Yes, IBM. Slavery is bad. So stop doing it.
18:02 TR News; IBM Red Hat today: " Im looking for ranchers, not pet owners. Ranchers, the slaveowners in the farm. Sorry, I mean plantations. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/digital-transformation-changing-it-hiring-game
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18:02 matey; Apple's Butterfly keyboard design used in MacBooks since 2015 has not been overly popular among Apple's customers and now the company seems to finally understand that as the new 16 2020 MacBook does not have this type of keyboard anymore. https://www.cined.com/those-apple-keyboards-are-horrendous-screenwriting-oscar-winner-slams-macbook-keyboards/
18:02 TR Bot; Apple Keyboards are Horrendous" Screenwriting Oscar Winner Slams MacBook Keyboards | CineD
18:03 TR News; ICBM cites as authority Gates-bribed think tanks like Gartner and Pew https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/new-normal-3-trends-are-changing-how-we-work
18:03 TR Bot; The new normal: 3 trends that are changing how we work | The Enterprisers Project
18:04 matey; They are impossible to write on. Theyve gotten worse. It makes me want to go back to PCs
18:04 matey; /me wipes his forehead
18:04 matey; dont fuck with this guy, he knows thor
18:04 TR News; Municipalities using Free Software https://fsfe.org/news/nl/nl-202206.en.html
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18:05 matey; The idea behind it was to design a flatter keyboard, which will allow for thinner laptops. Feedback from Apple’s customers has not been positive though. Many people have problems with the keyboard. Sometimes, the keys don’t register at all, sometimes they register the hit twice, and so on. It seems the reason is small particles of dust or debris that get stuck under the keys and jam the Butterfly mechanism.
18:06 matey; the last time i borrowed a mac it was before 2015
18:06 matey; and i ran ubuntu on it
18:06 matey; it wasnt mine, i did it live (like bill oreilly)
18:07 TR News; Ready to transform the enterprise world? We are! | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/06/07/ready-to-transform-the-enterprise-world-we-are/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
18:07 TR Bot; Ready to transform the enterprise world? We are! | Arduino Blog
18:07 matey; the last time i borrowed a mac it was before 2015 <- i should clarify, thats the last time i borrowed a macbook
18:08 TR News; These are NOT for Windows https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/07/ti-sitara-am623-am625-cortex-a53-socs-offer-low-power-ai-for-hmi-and-iot-applications/
18:08 matey; ive since owned (but they were free) an old emac and a g4 desktop with a giant fucking screen
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18:08 schestowitz_TR2; their screens costs like high-end PCs
18:08 matey; i unloaded the g4 (and the screen) and i threw out the emac, though since they were stuck with very old versions of python i made some changes that accomodating them
18:09 schestowitz_TR2; and they don't have enough ports
18:09 matey; their screens costs like high-end PCs <- gratis is gratis though, i got all of that used ($0)
18:09 matey; and they don't have enough ports <- neither do my laptops, but fair enough
18:09 schestowitz_TR2; portable
18:09 matey; im not a mac fan, i think the m2 is overhyped outside the typical fanboy commercialunity
18:09 matey; its not a community
18:10 matey; "the serf community" <- in more ancient times
18:11 matey; theyre not a community, theyre a class of serfs
18:11 TR News; NVIDIA opengpu driver: (open)SUSE packages available https://sndirsch.github.io/nvidia/2022/06/07/nvidia-opengpu.html
18:11 TR Bot; NVIDIA opengpu driver: (open)SUSE packages available | Stefans openSUSE Blog
18:12 matey; maybe you can have a community of enthusiastic CUSTOMERS
18:12 matey; but once the company takes over, its not a community anymore, its just exploitation
18:12 matey; like microsoft mvps
18:13 TR News; SUSE uses Russian Invasion for Public Relations https://www.suse.com/c/share-the-meal/
18:13 TR Bot; Power of Many: Provide 30,000 meals to the Victims of the War in Ukraine | SUSE Communities
18:13 matey; similarly, the fsf has moved outside the free software community
18:13 matey; shills arent a community, its just exploitation
18:14 matey; the opposite of free software
18:14 TR News; KDE e.V. Board Meeting 2022 https://euroquis.nl//kde/2022/06/07/board-meeting.html
18:14 TR Bot; KDE e.V. Board Meeting 2022 | [bobulate]
18:14 matey; has moved outside the free software community <- this puts the movement in an awkward position
18:14 matey; allow that which stands for nothing to be conflated with the movement, which helps destroy it
18:15 matey; or, suffer the uncomfortable fact that a large portion of what was formerly a community has simply ceased to exist
18:15 matey; the free software community fights for freedom
18:15 matey; that which does NOT stand for freedom cannot say it is part of a community that does
18:16 matey; its like saying im a doctor, when i dont hold a doctorate or do work in that field
18:16 matey; "the medical community" nope
18:17 matey; the medical community is certified and practices medicine
18:17 matey; if you do marketing for the industry that doesnt make you part of "the medical community"
18:17 matey; it makes you a marketer
18:17 matey; shills dont stand for your freedom-- if they did, they wouldnt be shills
18:18 matey; there are actual sides to this-- and while a lot of people form "sides" for stupid and pointless reasons, this isnt one of them
18:18 matey; of course the people on the fake side of it will insist that such sides are pointless
18:18 matey; even phipps did that
18:19 TR News; 15 Best Linux Video Players in 2022: Must-try for Movie Lovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165729
18:19 TR Bot; 15 Best Linux Video Players in 2022: Must-try for Movie Lovers | Tux Machines
18:19 matey; people who object to ibm taking over are dividing the community and being petty tribalists!
18:19 matey; ok slime-on
18:19 matey; /me prefers cowell
18:20 matey; open source is just a free software cover band that cant play for shit
18:21 matey; they should get 4 red xs, theyre crap
18:24 matey; "Apple is finally slowly getting rid of the Butterfly mechanism. It seems they are coming back to some form of the original scissor mechanism."
18:24 matey; as far as i know ive never seen one of these things
18:25 TR News; "Welcome, June --we're opening the month with another great week. Here's what the Apache community has been up to..." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-news-round-up259
18:25 TR Bot; The Apache News Round-up: week ending 3 June 2022 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog
18:25 matey; the only apple keyboards i ever owned were ancient second hand usb things
18:25 TR News; Kiwi TCMS: Zaklina, welcome to the Kiwi TCMS team https://kiwitcms.org/blog/kiwi-tcms-team/2022/06/07/zaklina-welcome-to-the-kiwi-tcms-team/
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18:26 matey; and while they did work with a pc (in fact, every apple product i ever got my hands on, short of the OLD OLD OLD mac someone dumped on me running system 7! worked with pc components) i threw out my apple usb keyboards
18:27 matey; because they seemed to do something peculiar and undesirable when plugged into laptop ports that didnt show up immediately and which i dont pretend to understand
18:27 matey; maybe they were expecting more current? maybe the only worked reliably on a "hub"?
18:28 matey; i dont know, but since my regular pc keyboards didnt have that issue, and the older mac keyboards werent a real joy to type on, i just didnt keep them
18:28 matey; i did experiment with such things because whenever possible, its my preference to know what im talking about
18:29 matey; someone who worked in a computer shop said "you cant use that screen with a pc, its not normal dvi"
18:29 matey; he was bullshit, it worked fine with a regular pc dvi port
18:29 matey; that thing was fucking huge and weighed a shitload
18:29 matey; but it was fun for a week or so, then i gave it back
18:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-06.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-07.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:30 matey; (i could have kept it, but it wasnt useful to me)
18:30 matey; for similar reasons, i would never own a hummer
18:30 TR News; Will Thompson: Release (semi-)automation Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165731
18:30 TR Bot; Will Thompson: Release (semi-)automation | Tux Machines
18:30 matey; no use for it, more trouble than its worth
18:31 matey; i wouldnt use a jackhammer to put a picture on the wall
18:31 matey; some people are very proud of owning such things, and some people even have a use for them at least
18:31 matey; thats no problem
18:33 matey; i could use a slightly larger screen. but id rather have one that isnt more than need, and definitely something less heavy than the ginormous mac screen i owned
18:33 matey; it was like a drive in movie by my standards. as ive said before i prefer projectors-- larger area (with caveats of course) and they are smaller and weigh far less
18:34 matey; too bad they burn out or id still have one
18:38 psydruid; I had a discussion with someone today and they were arguing about not being able to run editors for game engines on some operating systems
18:38 psydruid; primarily proprietary Unreal Engine was cited as an example
18:38 psydruid; so I've just downloaded this thing after going through some hoops
18:39 matey; I had a discussion with someone today and they were arguing about not being able to run editors for game engines on some operating systems <- hmm
18:39 psydruid; and when I set it up before building it requests Mono?!
18:39 matey; and when I set it up before building it requests Mono? <- what engine?
18:39 psydruid; what is this crap (other than being hosted on Github)
18:39 matey; unity of course is based on mono
18:39 psydruid; Unreal Engine
18:39 psydruid; apparently needs it too
18:40 matey; oh yeah well
18:40 matey; unreal engine is arseholeware
18:40 psydruid; I just wanted to verify the point he was making
18:40 matey; i mean its not just the developers who are arseholes
18:40 psydruid; because I already built Godot and some other engines today
18:40 matey; systemd is the classic example-- the software itself is an arsehole
18:41 matey; because I already built Godot and some other engines today <- even godot is better than mono or unrealistic tournament
18:41 matey; monononono
18:41 psydruid; https://analyticsindiamag.com/5-open-source-game-engines-that-developers-should-get-their-hands-on/
18:41 TR Bot; 5 Open Source Game Engines That Developers Should Get Their Hands On
18:41 psydruid; yeah
18:41 matey; yay open source
18:41 matey; the corporate mating call
18:41 psydruid; of course everything is on arseholehub
18:41 matey; before they give it to you without lube
18:42 psydruid; lol
18:42 matey; of course everything is on arseholehub <- i heard of an os today that was NOT based on arsehub
18:43 matey; gitlab, at least
18:43 matey; i know gitlab sucks a lot, its main claim to fame is its not arsehub
18:43 matey; which is fair, but thats still a low bar
18:44 matey; many leaders pass the at least theyre not hitler/stalin/pooh test
18:44 psydruid; these sourceforges just took advantage of the fact that you're not allowed to run services from home
18:44 psydruid; and hardware is often expensive and consumes a lot of power
18:44 matey; you're not allowed to run services from home <- tor really is the best solution to this, at this time
18:44 matey; surprisingly easy to configure
18:45 matey; then all you have to do is-- run services like you would on your own lan
18:45 psydruid; but that is all changing now
18:45 psydruid; yes
18:45 matey; so its slow-- who gives a fuck, its free
18:45 matey; as freedom, and price
18:45 matey; granted its rust, which doesnt make me happy
18:45 matey; a fork of tor would be nice
18:45 matey; and tor was part of the coup
18:45 matey; as was not-so-libreoffice
18:46 matey; as was gnupg
18:46 TR News; Science fiction halberts? gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-06-07%20Science%20fiction%20halberts%3F
18:46 matey; now theres no alternative i know of to gnupg
18:46 psydruid; and you can just run your lightweight git server for decentralisation with a few people syncing directly from it
18:46 matey; and its so important, i make an exception for it (under protest) and actually recommend gnupg
18:46 matey; even if the author is a dick
18:46 matey; and a traitor
18:47 matey; gnupg is (sadly) that important
18:47 psydruid; or a tom
18:47 psydruid; or a harry
18:47 matey; i hold next to nothing so important
18:47 psydruid; it's all in the name
18:47 matey; i also make a similar (begrudging) tolerance of the tor project
18:47 matey; they have all the same problems-- PLUS rust!
18:47 matey; but i say the same thing about tor and gnupg that i do about all other projects that betrayed the movement
18:48 matey; a fork would be ideal
18:48 psydruid; I don't understand why they love rust so much
18:48 matey; rust takes something and makes it easier
18:48 matey; it may slather on a bunch of mythology to make it more appealing, youd be better off asking a software engineer if thats so
18:49 matey; i consider rust (and python 3) unstable and unsustainable
18:49 matey; and a form of user exploitation
18:49 matey; with tor, i really believe the level of exploitation an subjugation it OFFSETS makes it worthwhile
18:49 matey; same for gnupg
18:50 matey; its under protest because OFFSET subjugation is not NEGATED or non-existent subjugation
18:50 matey; theyre still doing something bad
18:50 matey; but tor CAN help people THAT MUCH
18:51 matey; and of the following: icecat, tor browser, mozilla (any official version) and ungoogled chromium
18:51 matey; i think tor browser is the least terrible, and since both tor browser and mozilla signed the anti-rms letter, its better to have one than both
18:51 matey; having ANY alternative to mozilla is better than having mozilla too
18:52 matey; but ive reviewed so many of those, and used some (including icecat)
18:52 matey; icecat doesnt exist for bsd so it requires linux-- not useful to me
18:52 matey; mozilla belongs on a spike-- not useful to me
18:52 matey; tor browser is actually a non-github fork of mozilla
18:52 matey; thats fucking rare!
18:52 matey; it may be the only one
18:53 matey; i dont know any other mozilla fork thats non-gh but one may exist
18:53 matey; tor browser actually reduces internet censorship in some countries
18:53 matey; it even has users i know personally that benefit from this
18:53 matey; i dont like the tor project, but i like the browser
18:53 matey; too bad its written in rust
18:54 matey; actually moving away from the web is definitely a good iea
18:54 matey; idea
18:54 matey; you can see that compromise exists on the web from every angle
18:54 matey; thats not good
18:54 matey; but even if you got rid of the web, tor is still useful even then
18:54 matey; and that much of tor should be forkable easily enough, even if tor browser is not
18:55 matey; so you see there are several ways in which a fork of tor would be VERY worthwhile
18:55 matey; its the most accessible (easy to learn, use, whatever) way around dns
18:55 matey; and dns is an utter shit
18:55 matey; we should abandon it imo
18:55 matey; at least consider it legacy shit to avoid if we can
18:55 matey; get away from it like the web
18:56 matey; theres stuff like gnunet too, which is interesting
18:56 matey; but its gnu
18:56 matey; if someone can fork gnunet to do what tor does though
18:56 matey; awesome, id like to see that
18:57 matey; some shit is really worthy of a good fork
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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19:02 TR News; Stuff Michael Meeks is doing. Blog migrated. https://meeksfamily.uk/~michael
19:02 TR Bot; Stuff Michael Meeks is doing
19:03 matey; i think people are living in a post-gnu world
19:03 matey; newer isnt always better
19:03 matey; and post-gnu is far from ideal for gnu
19:04 matey; pretending gnu has a future wont help-- if gnu wants a future it would have to stand for freedom
19:04 matey; if it doesnt, its dead
19:04 matey; netscape is dead, and mozilla WAS more free than netscape (now, its closer to being non-free)
19:05 matey; still, you can have something MORE free based on something thats dead
19:05 matey; its still possible for people to liberate parts of gnu
19:05 matey; i consider it unlikely because of the lack of overlap between people who care about freedom and people who care about gnu
19:05 matey; but its not impossible
19:06 matey; because its unlikely, we are in a post-gnu world
19:06 matey; id rather gnu stood for something, that would bring it relevance
19:06 matey; people might still dismiss it, but if it stands for something, thats significant
19:06 matey; you can side with the fact that it stands for something, or you can side with the people who dismiss it anyway
19:07 matey; but if theres no such fact, theres nothing worth siding with
19:07 matey; its dead
19:07 matey; maybe someday parts of it will be liberated and rejuvenated
19:07 matey; so, its a real shame that gnu never cared about being forkable
19:08 matey; "well were out of cake! we only had a couple of bits and we werent expecting such a rush!"-- eddie izzard
19:08 matey; "so my choices are 'OR death?'"
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19:08 matey; people who dont care about forkability and claim to give freedom 3 are sort of having a laugh
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19:09 matey; things that are forkable tend to get forked. good forks often get merged back too!
19:09 matey; why do people get down on forks then, when good forks often get merged back?
19:09 matey; simple-- they prefer control!
19:09 matey; what is control? the flip side of freedom
19:09 matey; so when i say that gnu doesnt stand for anything, i really do mean it
19:10 matey; it doesnt understand, doesnt want to, and doesnt care
19:10 matey; same with github
19:10 matey; dont understand, dont care, dont want to
19:10 matey; with that attitude you might as well be talking to lennart!
19:10 matey; why do developers become douchebags?
19:10 matey; i think its the other way around-- a lot of douchebags become developers
19:11 matey; we should teach more non-douchebags, maybe things will improve some
19:11 matey; i think its the other way around <- some do sell out, obviously
19:11 matey; but i think linus for example, was always a bit of a douchebag
19:12 matey; and obviously gkh and zemlin moreso
19:12 matey; open source eats their own
19:12 matey; now the fsf does too
19:12 matey; say hi, richard! *makes him wave*
19:12 matey; hes very happy here!
19:12 psydruid; my take on it is that gnu didn't want to be forkable, as that was often seen as a hostile move
19:13 matey; we are treating him well
19:13 matey; my take on it is that gnu didn't want to be forkable, as that was often seen as a hostile move <- i agree
19:13 psydruid; whereas in nature organisms fork all the time in all kinds of ways
19:13 matey; they made the classic mistake of "we arent controlling it if we are controlling it so people are free"
19:13 matey; the problem is, if you cant trust people with forks
19:13 matey; you cant trust them with freedom 3
19:13 matey; you cant trust them with (and ultimately arent creating) free software
19:14 matey; so ultimately i agree with your assessment that this problem existed from the beginning
19:14 matey; the only thing is-- in much the way that apple STARTED WITH bsd and thus a better security model than windows
19:14 matey; they have also worked to gut that in every way possible
19:14 matey; so its a miracle that any security or stability remains at all, as its all been kneecapped
19:15 matey; this is an overgeneralisation. i think its more true than not
19:15 matey; saying apple does security is funny
19:15 matey; gnu started with forkability
19:15 matey; of course it did-- it was (SORT OF) a fork!
19:15 matey; a rewrite, but still
19:15 matey; they chose something modular to rewrite
19:16 matey; they rewrote it similarly, in separate parts
19:16 matey; this is modularity by default
19:16 matey; then the gnu philosophy applied, making it less modular (not half as badly as systemd, and yet)
19:16 matey; today it is less forkable (by design)
19:16 matey; hostile to forks
19:17 matey; yet it claims freedom 3 because LICENSE SAYS SO
19:17 matey; you know whats like?
19:17 matey; thats like saying the constitution GUARANTEES free speech
19:17 matey; and every time you EXERCISE that right, i hit you with tear gas from helicopters
19:17 matey; THE CONSTITUTION GUARANTEES FREEDOM!
19:17 matey; *more tear gas on protestors*
19:17 matey; the license guarantees freedom 3!
19:18 matey; *makes everything less forkable and tells everyone forking is bad*
19:18 DaemonFC; I noticed there's some rust on the inner trim on the rocker.
19:18 matey; join us so we can pay lip service to your freedom!
19:18 DaemonFC; It's not that bad though.
19:18 matey; openbsd isnt a movement
19:18 matey; its just software
19:18 DaemonFC; If I still own the car in 6-7 years and it starts to break through and the rest of the car is fine, I'll just pull that trim off another car and have it repainted.
19:19 matey; its well designed and VERY forkable
19:19 DaemonFC; Or fiberglass that as well, I suppose.
19:19 matey; a movement could make use of such software, if it wants to actually GIVE freedom 3 along with promises of freedom 3
19:19 matey; or even if it wants to TAKE freedom 3 for itself and for others
19:19 matey; but for whatever reason, gnu cant do this
19:20 matey; and the evidence is that gnu DOESNT do this
19:20 matey; its not proof, per se, but people should maybe take notice
19:20 matey; offers freedom-- doesnt deliver
19:20 matey; gnu, fsf and its "supporters"
19:20 matey; it did work, and i said why it worked too
19:21 psydruid; that's why gnu/fsf+linux is doomed
19:21 matey; because it started with freedom 3 by default
19:21 matey; <psydruid> that's why gnu/fsf+linux is doomed <- yep, thats why
19:21 matey; and if enough people cared about that they could do something to fix it
19:21 CrystalMath; matey: what do you mean GNU doesn't do this?
19:21 matey; but im pretty sure-- because its pretty obvious
19:22 matey; the people who do care that much will ultimately choose a saner path
19:22 matey; you dont try to liberate the hardest to liberate stuff
19:22 matey; if you can achieve all of your goals by liberating something easier to liberate
19:22 matey; if the exact same goals are easier, people will do that
19:22 matey; not open source-- its easier, because its goals are more mediocre
19:22 matey; i mean really truly the same goals
19:23 matey; if there are two ways to do that, with the same results, and one is easier
19:23 CrystalMath; matey: what do you mean GNU isn't standing for freedom?
19:23 matey; people wont make it more difficult for nothing
19:23 CrystalMath; do you even care to provide any proof for these claims?
19:23 matey; they wont opt for whats harder to fork if the end result is barely any better
19:23 matey; in rare instances where its worth the extra hassle, they might
19:24 matey; but reasonable alternatives exist so
19:24 CrystalMath; okay i guess it's matey spam hour then
19:24 matey; why wont they opt for those? the answer is "theres no reason they wont"
19:24 matey; they probably will, so gnu is DOUBLY dead
19:24 CrystalMath; this channel has really deteriorated
19:24 matey; we are still talking about extremely unlikely, rather than impossible
19:24 matey; in MOST instances they are the same thing
19:24 CrystalMath; being off freenode made it worse, i feel
19:25 matey; but not all
19:25 matey; so we will see. but also, gnu will more likely remain dead
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19:26 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165732
19:26 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
19:29 schestowitz_TR2; <CrystalMath> this channel has really deteriorated
19:29 schestowitz_TR2; \not really
19:29 schestowitz_TR2; what was better before?
19:29 schestowitz_TR2; please explain
19:30 TR News; Hacks.Mozilla.Org: Training efficient neural network models for Firefox Translations https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/06/training-efficient-neural-network-models-for-firefox-translations/
19:30 CrystalMath; well idk, it used to have more active meaningful discussions on free software stuff
19:30 TR Bot; Training efficient neural network models for Firefox Translations - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog
19:30 CrystalMath; but maybe more things were going on
19:31 schestowitz_TR2; wait
19:31 schestowitz_TR2; here's the thing
19:31 schestowitz_TR2; free software asd a topic slipped in the past year
19:31 schestowitz_TR2; for whatever reason
19:31 CrystalMath; but why?
19:31 schestowitz_TR2; same for patents about a decade back
19:31 schestowitz_TR2; and it's not too clear why
19:31 schestowitz_TR2; topics are coming and going in waves
19:31 CrystalMath; that makes sense
19:31 schestowitz_TR2; around snowden time (2013-15) privcacy was a super-hopt topi
19:32 schestowitz_TR2; prior to it srone strikes
19:32 schestowitz_TR2; when woikileaks was very active there were other angles
19:32 CrystalMath; that's a funny typo: wokeyleaks
19:32 schestowitz_TR2; heh
19:32 CrystalMath; i need to use it sometime
19:33 CrystalMath; "wokeypedia" works well
19:33 CrystalMath; because they're woke
19:33 schestowitz_TR2; go to fsf.oirg
19:33 schestowitz_TR2; go to blog
19:33 schestowitz_TR2; see when they last said something meaningful
19:34 CrystalMath; hmm, indeed
19:34 TR News; Mike Blumenkrantz: "After my last blog post I was so exhausted I had to take a week off, but Im back. In the course of my blog-free week, I remembered the secret to blogging: blog before I start real work for the day. It seems obvious, but once that code starts flowing, the prose aint coming." https://www.supergoodcode.com/returning/
19:34 TR Bot; Returning Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.
19:37 TR News; "Commercial" means proprietary https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-5.15.10-released
19:37 TR Bot; Commercial LTS Qt 5.15.10 Released
19:39 TR News; Debian vs Ubuntu: Which Distro is Best for You? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165734
19:39 TR Bot; Debian vs Ubuntu: Which Distro is Best for You? | Tux Machines
19:39 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165735
19:39 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:42 TR News; NocoDB is the no-code database application platform youve been looking for | TechRepublic https://www.techrepublic.com/article/nocodb-no-code-detabase-application/ Source: techrepublic
19:42 TR Bot; is the no-code database application platform you've been looking for | TechRepublic
19:42 TR News; Kernel: Graphics Work and Apple Facilitates ARM Linux Virtual Machines Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165736
19:42 TR Bot; Kernel: Graphics Work and Apple Facilitates ARM Linux Virtual Machines | Tux Machines
19:44 TR News; openSUSEs Brazilian Community to Celebrate Leap Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165727#comment-33907
19:44 TR Bot; SUSE releases Service Pack 4 for Linux Enterprise 15 | Tux Machines
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19:48 TR News; [ANNOUNCE] v5.19-rc1-rt1 - Sebastian Andrzej Siewior https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/Yp+BNyvZjQPMBDXA@linutronix.de/ Source: linutronix
19:48 TR Bot; [ANNOUNCE] v5.19-rc1-rt1 - Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
19:48 TR News; "In Parker vs. Delaware (1950), the famed attorney Louis Redding argued before the Delaware Court of Chancery that denying Black students admission to the University of Delaware was unconstitutional and violated the "separate but equal" provisions set forth in Plessy vs. Ferguson (1896)" https://eu.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/2022/06/07/remembering-university-delawares-dr-james-e-newton/10001754002/
19:48 TR Bot; Remembering University of Delaware's Dr. James E. Newton
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19:50 TR News; Scamnil/spamnil posting lots of LF spam today. It'll be a big liability and embarrassment when Google suspends or shuts down his YouTube channel for spamming.
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19:53 schestowitz-TR; https://nypost.com/2022/06/07/paul-pelosis-bought-up-to-2-1m-of-apple-microsoft-shares/
19:53 TR Bot; Paul Pelosi's bought up to $2.1M of Apple, Microsoft shares
19:53 schestowitz-TR; USA, Inc.
19:53 schestowitz-TR; Not to even be taken seriously anymore
19:53 schestowitz-TR; no matter which corporate party
19:53 schestowitz-TR; and thus it must be dealt with as a political issue
19:53 schestowitz-TR; Ask the Polosis how much they preofited from Biden's bailout to Microsoft
19:53 schestowitz-TR; It's like he's passing federal money into his pocket
19:53 schestowitz-TR; and months ago demands were made to ban politicians from stocktrading
19:54 Techrights-sec; yes he is
19:54 Techrights-sec; and he's passing influence into the legislature via his wife, that conflict
19:54 Techrights-sec; of interest is unavoidable
19:56 TR News; Jussi Pakkanen: Creating your own math-themed jigsaw puzzle from scratch https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/06/creating-your-own-math-themed-jigsaw.html
19:56 TR Bot; Nibble Stew: Creating your own math-themed jigsaw puzzle from scratch
20:02 Techrights-sec; of interest is unavoidable in that situation but banning stock trading
20:02 Techrights-sec; while in office for the politician and their spouse would prevent that
20:02 Techrights-sec; but the lobbying money from Wallstreet would prevent that as handily as
20:02 Techrights-sec; they did prevent Warren from running for office.
20:12 TR News; "First up in the news: Ubuntu is out-fedoring Fedora; Linux 5.18 brings new optimizations; the Budgie has landed; Debian 12 has a projected birthday, and Asahi has its first Alpha;" https://mintcast.org/2022/06/07/383-ubuntu-is-out-fedoring-fedora/
20:12 TR Bot; 383 Ubuntu is out-fedoring Fedora mintCast
20:19 TR News; Links 07/06/2022: SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/07/sle-15-sp4/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/07/sle-15-sp4/
20:20 TR Bot; Links 07/06/2022: SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 | Techrights
20:26 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165737
20:26 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:26 TR News; Free Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165738
20:26 TR Bot; Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:26 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165739
20:26 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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20:43 TR News; Many once-fine sites got sold and became brokers of misinformation, purveyors of corporate lies
20:44 TR News; Microsoft dominates this list because it barely patches holes that are already known to be widely exploited https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/07/cisa-provides-criteria-and-process-updates-kev-catalog
20:44 TR Bot; CISA Provides Criteria and Process for Updates to the KEV Catalog | CISA
20:46 TR News; This isn't an issue with Linux itself; these are Microsoft operatives in the media trying to change the subject and shift attention/blame, as usual https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/linux-version-of-black-basta-ransomware-targets-vmware-esxi-servers/
20:46 TR Bot; Linux version of Black Basta ransomware targets VMware ESXi servers
20:47 TR News; BSidesSF 2022 CTF: Cow Say What? https://systemoverlord.com/2022/06/07/bsidessf-ctf-2022-cow-say-what.html
20:47 TR Bot; BSidesSF 2022 CTF: Cow Say What? System Overlord
20:48 TR News; "I updated the MR description with the MR's current state, including the important Caveats section. From my perspective, there are no longer any issues blocking this MR from being merged, only limitations to be considered. Review and testing would be highly appreciated." https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1154
20:48 TR Bot; backend/native: Add support for variable refresh rate (!1154) Merge requests GNOME / mutter GitLab
20:50 TR News; SUSECON is happening https://www.suse.com/c/susecon-2022-reflecting-on-and-recognizing-our-strategic-silicon-designers-and-providers/
20:50 TR Bot; 2022 - Reflecting on and Recognizing our Strategic Silicon Designers and Providers | SUSE Communities
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20:58 TR News; "Last year I started developing Telegrand, a Telegram client built to be well integrated with GNOME, which is a project Im really proud of and its gaining quite a bit of interest." https://melix99.wordpress.com/2022/06/07/introduction/
20:58 TR Bot; Introduction Space Penguin
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
21:02 TR News; SUSE doubles down on security in its latest SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165727#comment-33907
21:02 TR Bot; SUSE releases Service Pack 4 for Linux Enterprise 15 | Tux Machines
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21:20 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/07/ordinary-nazism "Ordinary Nazism Bizarre exhibition at Moscows Victory Museum attempts to draw comparisons between Nazi Germany and modern-day Ukraine"
21:20 TR Bot; NO TITLE
21:20 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/07/dpr-launches-court-proceedings-against-foreigners-accused-of-fighting-for-ukraine-they-are-facing-the-death-penalty-news "DPR launches court proceedings against foreigners accused of fighting for Ukraine. They are facing the death penalty"
21:20 TR Bot; .
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21:29 TR News; "Regarding paperwork, we are getting closer. It was very exciting to go to the consulate to request our visas. The idea of us moving to another continent felt even more real when going there. But we still have to wait..." gemini://compudanzas.net/biosejo_120220607.gmi
21:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-06.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-07.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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21:32 TR News; "both of these examples point to what i'm having the hardest time with, which is that de certeau seems to have an entirely metaphorical relationship to critical theory and an insufficiently antagonistic relationship with the world that critical theory so powerfully describes." gemini://aidn.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-06-07.gmi
21:33 schestowitz; "Parenting is messy, it's emergent. There are
21:33 schestowitz; constantly things that will get in the way of a perfectly designed parenting
21:33 schestowitz; trajectory, and you have to constantly adjust course, improvise, be flexible." gemini://asymmetric.smol.pub/parenting-books
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21:35 schestowitz; "The "Street Performer Protocol" is a classic vision for how creative works could be funded without using copyright to prevent copying. In short, the work is released only once people have pledged enough money to pass a threshold set by the creator." gemini://gemini.thegonz.net/glog/220607-progressiveStreetPerformerProtocol.gmi
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21:38 orgg; BITCOIN
21:38 DaemonFC; That's assuming an awful lot of the parents.
21:38 DaemonFC; Like that they even care or think much about becoming pregnant while they're high on drugs and fucking strangers without a condom.
21:39 DaemonFC; The least productive are the most reproductive.
21:39 orgg; wait Xh until you mine enough bitcoin to pay for this work
21:40 DaemonFC; schestowitz, The Pelosis?
21:40 DaemonFC; Husband drunk in traffic.
21:40 DaemonFC; Wife drunk in Congress.
21:41 orgg; only stupid drunk and druged people have kids this days
21:42 orgg; so much for natural selection
21:42 DaemonFC; <orgg> so much for natural selection
21:42 orgg; i guess natural selection comes with all of them having guns
21:42 DaemonFC; The government pays. It's not their money.
21:43 DaemonFC; All these poor stupid people with 3 kids dangling off their legs do is sit back and wait for $8,000 tax refunds when all they paid that year was $1,000.
21:44 DaemonFC; Then they get like $500 in food stamps and $300 rent.
21:44 DaemonFC; While everyone else has to suffer and pick up three jobs.
21:44 DaemonFC; It's easier to just lay on your back and pop out units.
21:45 DaemonFC; The government spent a lot of time hashing out this system where they work you to death to bribe idiots to reproduce.
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21:45 orgg; thats capitalism for you
21:46 DaemonFC; Mandy wonders why I'm building fan-based air purifiers.
21:46 orgg; who?
21:46 DaemonFC; Well, in addition to the coal plant, there's a lovely smog descending on the neighborhood this afternoon, and something is on fire down the street.
21:46 DaemonFC; This is fairly normal for some reason.
21:47 TR News; Daily Gemroll (Like Blogroll But for Gemini and Sometimes Gopher or Spartan) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/07/geminispace-gemroll/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/07/geminispace-gemroll/
21:47 TR Bot; Daily Gemroll (Like Blogroll But for Gemini and Sometimes Gopher or Spartan) | Techrights
21:47 DaemonFC; It's like what the fuck is this? Beijing?
21:47 DaemonFC; And schestowitz thinks that Waukegan is going to get flipped soon.
21:47 orgg; just get a mask and stfu :)
21:47 DaemonFC; They keep saying that, since 1978.
21:48 DaemonFC; It's still the biggest outhouse in Lake County.
21:48 schestowitz_TR2; what do you mean by flipped exactly?
21:48 schestowitz_TR2; and when did I say that|?
21:48 schestowitz_TR2; I just flattered their web site, that's all
21:48 orgg; Waukegan?
21:49 schestowitz_TR2; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waukegan,_Illinois
21:49 TR Bot; Waukegan, Illinois - Wikipedia
21:49 schestowitz_TR2; https://www.waukeganil.gov/
21:49 TR Bot; Waukegan, IL - Official Website | Official Website
21:49 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outhouse#United_States
21:49 TR Bot; Outhouse - Wikipedia
21:50 schestowitz_TR2; site made with https://www.civicplus.com/
21:50 TR Bot; The Integrated Technology Platform | Software for Local Government
21:50 schestowitz_TR2; never heard of it
21:50 schestowitz_TR2; not civiccrm
21:50 DaemonFC; Yeah, I remember Grandpa telling me that before toilet paper, they just saved all their old magazines and the department store catalogues.
21:50 schestowitz_TR2; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=CiviCRM&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=CiviCRM&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1
21:50 TR Bot; CiviCRM - Search results - Wikipedia
21:50 schestowitz_TR2; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CiviCRM
21:50 TR Bot; CiviCRM - Wikipedia
21:50 DaemonFC; People were actually really frugal back then. If you told them you wanted them to spend $30 a month on something to wipe their asses with, they would have laughed at you.
21:51 schestowitz_TR2; now the papers are glossy
21:51 schestowitz_TR2; these are not the same papers anymore
21:51 orgg; in europe people can wash their butts on the bide
21:52 orgg; might be cheaper then toilet paper
21:53 orgg; more eco friendly too
21:53 schestowitz_TR2; except you need to make another bowl
21:53 schestowitz_TR2; manufacturing etc./
21:54 schestowitz_TR2; the women's bidet
21:54 schestowitz_TR2; some toilet seats come with hose
21:54 schestowitz_TR2; those are not requiring additional "seat"
21:54 schestowitz_TR2; japan has its own things
21:54 orgg; yes ive seen it
21:55 schestowitz_TR2; iirc, a lot of toilet paper material is grown in places like peru
21:55 orgg; still you should use soap
21:55 schestowitz_TR2; lots of transport and dead trees
21:55 schestowitz_TR2; which is wasteful
21:56 TR News; Well, "metaverse" is pure bullshit, so this article is bullshit (just say VR; been there, done that) https://www.politico.com/newsletters/digital-future-daily/2022/06/07/human-rights-in-the-metaverse-00037853
21:56 TR Bot; rights in the metaverse- POLITICO
21:56 orgg; metaverse = methhead entrapment
21:57 MinceR; meatverse
21:57 DaemonFC; <schestowitz_TR2> these are not the same papers anymore
21:57 DaemonFC; I noticed what they do.
21:57 TR News; SPAR uses kids and women's hygiene for marketing/PR stunts https://germistoncitynews.co.za/290969/spar-supports-local-non-profit-in-the-fight-against-period-poverty/
21:57 TR Bot; SPAR supports local non-profit in the fight against period poverty Germiston City News
21:57 orgg; in the metaverse you wont get pregnat or catch stfs
21:57 orgg; stds
21:58 DaemonFC; The Viva paper towels are textured to grab household messes, but they make toilet paper to smear things around instead of picking it up so you'll use more of it.
21:58 DaemonFC; Cheaper to use Viva paper towels and throw them in the trash can.
21:58 TR News; "In the last couple of years, I have really started to write everything in Org Mode. Whether it be articles, documentation, scripts, programming...I use Org for all of it. But, there is one thing that kind of bugged me, especially with my literate programming using Org. I hated having to constantly run org-babel-tangle to export my files. I found a solution!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=D3FzMPZm7vY
21:58 TR Bot; Write Everything In Emacs Org Mode? You NEED This Plugin! - Invidious
21:58 DaemonFC; I set them aside after I use them for dinner and I use those to wipe up messes on the floor or to put in the bathroom later.
21:59 schestowitz_TR2; toilet papers are the new razor blade
22:00 schestowitz_TR2; they make them shit
22:00 DaemonFC; It comes down to like 5 cents to tear off pieces of paper towel vs. like 20 cents worth of toilet paper.
22:00 DaemonFC; It's ridiculous.
22:00 schestowitz_TR2; and they don't have much use
22:00 schestowitz_TR2; coarse and cheap
22:00 schestowitz_TR2; then they make up by quantities
22:00 schestowitz_TR2; number of blades
22:00 schestowitz_TR2; number of plies
22:00 schestowitz_TR2; schools always have the cheapest and worst
22:00 DaemonFC; Yeah, Georgia-Pacific.
22:01 DaemonFC; They make something even worse than Angel Soft and sell it to businesses in bulk.
22:01 schestowitz_TR2; maybe not for staff
22:01 schestowitz_TR2; but for clients
22:01 schestowitz_TR2; like in malls
22:01 DaemonFC; Yeah, Walmart.
22:01 schestowitz_TR2; where you don't piss off and have the store blamed
22:01 DaemonFC; I call it Clint Eastwood Toilet Paper.
22:01 schestowitz_TR2; otherwise clients might taken the piss
22:01 schestowitz_TR2; quite literally
22:02 DaemonFC; It's rough and it's tough and it don't take shit off anybody.
22:02 schestowitz_TR2; and they won't "take that shit"
22:02 schestowitz_TR2; btw, the analogy i've long use it
22:02 schestowitz_TR2; is that clown computing is public toilet
22:02 schestowitz_TR2; it can "save" you money
22:02 DaemonFC; It is.
22:03 schestowitz_TR2; if you consider some downsides
22:03 DaemonFC; They tell you to save water by only flushing the toilet when there's "solid waste".
22:03 schestowitz_TR2; you can save the cost of owning a "throne"
22:03 schestowitz_TR2; or server
22:03 schestowitz_TR2; but over time you realise you save nothing
22:03 DaemonFC; Yeah, if you want the toilet to smell like the South Chicago Metra stations.
22:03 schestowitz_TR2; and it's very, very gross
22:03 DaemonFC; And to get dyed yellow with all of the salts and toxins and crap that drop out of your urine.
22:03 DaemonFC; Then you're dumping chemicals in and scrubbing it all back off.
22:04 DaemonFC; Those cost more money and are worse for the environment than flushing more often.
22:04 schestowitz_TR2; not sure of toilet hygiene in the US
22:04 DaemonFC; Something similar happens to stagnant engine coolant that nobody ever changes out in a car for 10-15 years.
22:04 schestowitz_TR2; don't think I ever used public toilets there
22:05 schestowitz_TR2; they should flush every time
22:05 DaemonFC; The suspended detergents and other additives "drop out".
22:05 DaemonFC; And they leave a nice gunk on your radiator and the hoses and the thermostat and water pump and heater core.
22:05 schestowitz_TR2; then agauin
22:05 schestowitz_TR2; seeing how flint was treated
22:05 schestowitz_TR2; and how you let the pipes age while bombing other countries
22:05 DaemonFC; And then you're lucky if you can run super flush through it and not have one hell of an expensive repair.
22:05 schestowitz_TR2; I reckon your public toilets are very ... CAPITALIST
22:05 schestowitz_TR2; all about "efficiency" and "savings"
22:05 DaemonFC; *I* didn't let them do anything, Roy.
22:06 DaemonFC; I'm not a voter in Michigan and it wouldn't make any difference in public policy if I was.
22:06 DaemonFC; They stripped those people of their right to vote in a government with the "Emergency Manager" bill.
22:06 orgg; CAPITALIST is about the opposit
22:06 DaemonFC; Then the Governor appointed some other criminal that had absolute authority to do whatever he wanted to do.
22:06 orgg; the more you wate the better
22:06 schestowitz_TR2; they use to have public faucetss
22:06 orgg; waste
22:06 DaemonFC; Not answerable to the voters, the city council, anyone.
22:07 orgg; the more you consume the better
22:07 orgg; that capitalism
22:07 schestowitz_TR2; I guess that cuts into the profit of the plastic/aluminium-with-water in it "business"
22:07 DaemonFC; So Michigan saw the disaster that unfolded and repealed the Emergency Manager law with a ballot initiative to strip the governor of that authority.
22:07 DaemonFC; So the governor and the legislature passed another emergency manager law that was only barely different than the last one.
22:07 DaemonFC; "Democracy!"
22:07 schestowitz_TR2; the cloest you get to a public faucet, except in some airports, is leaning over to the hand washing basins in toilets
22:08 schestowitz_TR2; and even then you ned to use the hands
22:08 DaemonFC; It's the same in every state.
22:08 DaemonFC; Same shit, different assholes.
22:08 schestowitz_TR2; humans need water
22:08 schestowitz_TR2; not code machines with ddt and acids
22:08 schestowitz_TR2; *coke
22:09 DaemonFC; There's an overall agenda to this and the rich will just dump unlimited money to make sure the people have no control over their state no matter which one they move to.
22:09 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, $10 for a fucking case of Coke.
22:09 DaemonFC; $10 plus TAX.
22:09 schestowitz_TR2; they should pay you to inject it
22:09 DaemonFC; Like, how is their stock up? Who is still buying this?
22:09 orgg; colombian?
22:09 schestowitz_TR2; ingest
22:10 schestowitz_TR2; they even used to put cocaine in coca cola bottles
22:10 DaemonFC; Every year it goes up another dollar.
22:10 schestowitz_TR2; to get you addicted
22:10 DaemonFC; It's almost like cigarettes.
22:10 schestowitz_TR2; sugar addiction is also a thing
22:10 schestowitz_TR2; they put syrup
22:10 orgg; cigarettes dont kill people
22:10 DaemonFC; I called it back when Preckwinkle got her penny an ounce soda tax in Cook County. It was already quite expensive.
22:10 DaemonFC; They repealed it after only two months.
22:10 orgg; guns do
22:11 DaemonFC; But I stopped drinking soda because I just didn't want to pay the cost or the tax anymore.
22:11 schestowitz_TR2; maybe they did some 'research' into which sweeteners cause more dependability and cravings
22:11 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, Sometimes I'll buy the Walmart knockoff of Crystal Light and dump that into my Brita-filtered water.
22:11 DaemonFC; And that hits the spot a lot damned cheaper than Coca Cola!
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; cheaper to make tea
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; or coffee
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; and no added sweeteners
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; you can drink 2-5 litres a day
22:12 schestowitz_TR2; good in winter/autumn
22:12 orgg; 2-5 litres a day of what?
22:13 TR News; "For a while it didn't seem like getting working GPU drivers for the M1 mac on Linux was going to be possible but that's finally changed because we can now finally render a shaded triangle and much more" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qy3Si1-oYrw
22:13 TR Bot; Fully Open Source M1 GPU Drivers Finally Work!! - Invidious
22:13 schestowitz_TR2; OneBTS: tea
22:13 psydruid; > [notice] SUSECON 2022 - Reflecting on and Recognizing our Strategic Silicon Designers and Providers | SUSE Communities
22:13 psydruid; And that's why Germany needs more Intel factories for making wasteful Intel chips that lead to strategic harm to the environment
22:13 schestowitz_TR2; orgg: ^
22:13 schestowitz_TR2; coffee only if very diluted at that
22:13 orgg; 5 liters of tea you got kidney stones?
22:14 orgg; you could make icedtea
22:14 schestowitz_TR2; you can drink that much water
22:14 orgg; but its no just water
22:15 orgg; and tea and coffe sre diuretic
22:15 TR News; "Managing a Kubernetes cluster is a complex endeavor. As demands on a cluster grow, increasing the number of deployed pods can help ease the load on the system." https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-kubernetes-autoscaler-charm
22:15 TR Bot; Kubernetes Autoscaler Charm | Ubuntu
22:16 TR News; Gemini is aging nicely; today we publish a short video to demonstrate how Gemini can be used to do all sorts of things on a daily basis http://techrights.org/2022/06/07/geminispace-gemroll/
22:16 TR Bot; Daily Gemroll (Like Blogroll But for Gemini and Sometimes Gopher or Spartan) | Techrights
22:20 DaemonFC; I usually drink about a gallon and a half of water per day not counting my coffee.
22:20 orgg; you cant comment on gemini
22:20 DaemonFC; The dental clinic students mentioned that I salivate a lot more than most of their patients.
22:20 schestowitz_TR2; https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/best-of-joao-cancelo-2021-22-season-63790201
22:20 TR Bot; The best of Joao Cancelo
22:20 schestowitz_TR2; (ot)
22:20 schestowitz_TR2; they seem to use DRM :/
22:21 DaemonFC; Most people are dehydrated.
22:21 DaemonFC; Having disgusting tap water discourages them from drinking enough water, or worse, they start drinking soda to mask the taste.
22:22 orgg; most people are nervous at the dentist
22:22 DaemonFC; All soda does is take water and carbonate it and dump a bunch of sugar and caffeine and chemicals in it.
22:22 DaemonFC; It's really bad for you.
22:22 orgg; hence the drided mouth
22:22 DaemonFC; Sparkling water isn't so bad.
22:23 DaemonFC; But when they start dumping a ton of sugar and caffeine in, it gets pretty bad.
22:23 DaemonFC; The soda companies know that people have had enough of their shitty products, so they're panicking and coming up with new shitty products.
22:23 DaemonFC; They rip out public drinking fountains and offer you a $3 bottle of water.
22:24 DaemonFC; Water fountains have turned into public phone booths vs. cell phone bills.
22:24 DaemonFC; They work it from both ends.
22:24 DaemonFC; They love COVID because now anyone who wasn't already grossed out by water fountains doesn't want to use them.
22:25 DaemonFC; My favorite thing about COVID is that people on Grindr are all advertising they're vaccinated from COVID on a hookup app during a surge in HIV and Syphilis and the clap.
22:25 DaemonFC; "Oh, you know the Clap App? Yeah... Fully vaccinated from the super-cold."
22:25 DaemonFC; "Oh cool!"
22:26 DaemonFC; They were acting like COVID was Captain Tripps from The Stand and then almost everyone that gets it has the sniffles if that.
22:26 DaemonFC; And like 90% of the people that died were over 80 and had something else going on too.
22:26 DaemonFC; And they put it down as COVID no matter what actually killed them to get money from the government for it.
22:27 DaemonFC; Meanwhile, the people who took the shots are saying they have memory loss and high bloos pressure when they've never had it, chest pains.
22:27 DaemonFC; It's fitting that Bill Gates was pitching the shots, got three of them he said, and then had COVID anyway.
22:28 DaemonFC; The shots are like some broken Windows update and then the CDC has the Telemetry App.
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22:32 orgg; covid was invented by people against smoking
22:33 orgg; 1st they made smoker go out into the cold to smoke and get worst forms of colds
22:34 orgg; that how covid began
22:34 orgg; anf they said that the e ciggarets was killing people
22:35 orgg; just before they found people are having covid!!!
22:35 orgg; but nah the culprit was ecigs
22:35 orgg; ecigs adultrated with drugs and shit
22:37 orgg; https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html
22:37 TR Bot; Outbreak of Lung Injury Associated with the Use of E-Cigarette, or Vaping, Products | Electronic Cigarettes | Smoking & Tobacco Use | CDC
22:38 orgg; Updated February 25, 2020
22:38 orgg; nice coverup
22:40 orgg; or actually incompetence
22:41 DaemonFC; That's actually not a bad idea. Use junk mail and ad papers for tp.
22:42 DaemonFC; "So much for the three seashells."
22:42 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
22:42 MinceR; :>
22:43 orgg; what are you talking about?
22:44 MinceR; Demolition Man
22:45 TR News; 2022 Talk by Richard Stallman About Free Software and Online Dis-Services | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/07/jeffrey-peterson-and-rms/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/07/jeffrey-peterson-and-rms/
22:45 TR Bot; 2022 Talk by Richard Stallman About Free Software and Online Dis-Services | Techrights
22:46 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/1710112
22:46 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/g1hoxpjn12qz.jpg created on 2017-10-11 03:15:42.498074
22:47 schestowitz_TR2; <DaemonFC> It's fitting that Bill Gates was pitching the shots, got three of them he said, and then had COVID anyway.
22:47 schestowitz_TR2; AND was symptomatic
22:47 schestowitz_TR2; imagine getting the flu shot
22:47 schestowitz_TR2; then getting the flu
22:47 schestowitz_TR2; and saying, yes
22:47 schestowitz_TR2; I guot the flu
22:47 schestowitz_TR2; but it didn't get me hospitalised
22:48 orgg; so he coulf spread it some more
22:49 orgg; and sell more vaccines
22:49 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165740
22:49 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:49 MinceR; lol
22:49 orgg; covid is over suck it up
22:50 orgg; the new thing is the war
22:50 schestowitz_TR2; all OVER the place
22:50 schestowitz_TR2; yes,
22:50 schestowitz_TR2; all OVER
22:50 MinceR; i thought monkeypox was the new thing?
22:50 schestowitz_TR2; the war on it is over
22:50 schestowitz_TR2; we take the health impacts for granted now
22:50 orgg; the world war
22:51 orgg; its just starting
22:51 schestowitz_TR2; https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/06/covid19-death-figures-17-days-behind/
22:51 TR Bot; Blog Archive UK COVID-19 Status: Weve Almost Stopped Testing, Death Figures Are 17 Days Behind
22:52 orgg; suck it up
22:52 schestowitz_TR2; you can catapult billG over the Ukranian border
22:52 orgg; the war is coming
22:52 schestowitz_TR2; like a boulder
22:52 schestowitz_TR2; *Ukrainian border
22:52 orgg; so forget about covid
22:53 schestowitz_TR2; that ol' fart will challenge russians without a gas mask
22:53 schestowitz_TR2; make sure he testes positive first
22:53 schestowitz_TR2; tests
22:53 schestowitz_TR2; first they blame "nature"
22:53 schestowitz_TR2; now they blame "Putin"
22:53 schestowitz_TR2; some blamed "China"
22:54 schestowitz_TR2; it's always nothing to do with our system
22:54 schestowitz_TR2; "the system is FINE"
22:54 schestowitz_TR2; "it's just that..."
22:54 schestowitz_TR2; millions still being laid off
22:54 schestowitz_TR2; and the media tells us millions are RESIGNING
22:54 schestowitz_TR2; and there is "talent shortage"
22:54 schestowitz_TR2; after laying off millions
22:54 orgg; they can join the army
22:54 schestowitz_TR2; just hire them
22:55 schestowitz_TR2; but no..
22:55 schestowitz_TR2; they're "Expensive"
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22:56 orgg; nothing a well placed nuke cant cure
22:56 TR News; Hmmm... better install the fork/s https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Q-HGim1LCkw
22:56 TR Bot; How to install Audacity on Debian 11 - Invidious
22:56 orgg; havent you noticed the world is lacking a war
22:56 orgg; is part of the humans life cycle
22:57 orgg; so to speak
22:57 schestowitz_TR2; there are some wars
22:57 schestowitz_TR2; but they don't sell enough
22:57 orgg; or else they will reproduce and make the world inhabitable
22:57 schestowitz_TR2; the arsenals are lacking capacity
22:57 schestowitz_TR2; need to "unload"
22:57 schestowitz_TR2; get rid of the "old models"
22:57 orgg; thats natures balance
22:58 schestowitz_TR2; ok, but make one happen in the US
22:58 schestowitz_TR2; they always fight on other people's soil
22:58 schestowitz_TR2; at (mostly) expense to the locals
22:58 schestowitz_TR2; the canon fodder and civilians
22:58 schestowitz_TR2; *cannon
22:58 schestowitz_TR2; do it like chess
22:58 orgg; other species have lack of food or predators puying them in balace
22:58 schestowitz_TR2; "dead vlad, I herd you had a conflict in ukraine"
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
22:59 schestowitz_TR2; "come to alaska, let's duel there"
22:59 orgg; humans only balancing thing is other humans
22:59 schestowitz_TR2; "so we can bomb your bombs"
22:59 orgg; sorry about that its just the way it is
22:59 schestowitz_TR2; instead of this proxy war/s in east europe
23:00 schestowitz_TR2; humans find ways to make mrore foods
23:00 schestowitz_TR2; like fertilisers
23:00 schestowitz_TR2; made of the same processes and sometimes materials as bombs
23:00 orgg; fertilisers make good bombs
23:00 schestowitz_TR2; instead of bombing other nations they could make more crops
23:01 schestowitz_TR2; alternative (humane): make more condoms
23:01 schestowitz_TR2; make abortion easier to access
23:02 schestowitz_TR2; tyhey could make slogans
23:02 schestowitz_TR2; the church would hate that
23:02 schestowitz_TR2; esp. catholics
23:02 schestowitz_TR2; "a condom a day makes a couple gap" (happy)
23:02 schestowitz_TR2; the pope will never 'gert' it
23:02 schestowitz_TR2; *get
23:02 schestowitz_TR2; *gay
23:02 schestowitz_TR2; "a condom a day makes a couple gay"
23:02 schestowitz_TR2; no children, more calm
23:02 schestowitz_TR2; only the vatican will protest
23:03 orgg; LOL
23:03 orgg; catholics cant even get married
23:04 orgg; i mean prists
23:04 orgg; unlike protestants
23:04 orgg; font tell of them pro life demostrators are chatolics?!
23:04 schestowitz_TR2; they fidn kids to "unleash"
23:04 schestowitz_TR2; *find
23:04 schestowitz_TR2; maybe let them get married
23:05 orgg; your full of shit
23:05 schestowitz_TR2; and they will leave the kids alone
23:05 orgg; your full of shit
23:05 orgg; are you a putin propagand machine?
23:05 schestowitz_TR2; those religions
23:05 schestowitz_TR2; not just that
23:05 orgg; sure sounds like it
23:05 schestowitz_TR2; they create sex-deprived perverts
23:06 schestowitz_TR2; and attract them, too
23:06 schestowitz_TR2; it's not a new problem
23:06 schestowitz_TR2; it's just receiving more attention in recent decades
23:06 orgg; how do you know so much about that?
23:06 TR News; The System76/HP collaboration Dev One laptop, geared toward developers, is now available for pre-order. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165551#comment-33910
23:06 TR Bot; You Can Now Pre-Order the HP Dev One Linux Laptop Powered by Pop!_OS Linux | Tux Machines
23:06 orgg; must be from experience
23:06 schestowitz_TR2; not limited to catholics btw
23:07 schestowitz_TR2; no personal experience
23:07 orgg; sure
23:07 orgg; thats what they always say
23:07 schestowitz_TR2; many people did get abused though
23:07 schestowitz_TR2; family, clergy, others
23:08 schestowitz_TR2; afaik, some religions still refuse to ncondone bortion in cases of incest and rape
23:08 schestowitz_TR2; but anyway, this is off topic
23:08 schestowitz_TR2; and the bottom line is, contraception would have mitigatged the current mess
23:09 orgg; contraception!=abortion
23:09 schestowitz_TR2; one is a fallback
23:10 orgg; best contraceptive method is giving people careers
23:10 TR News; Jeffrey Peterson spoke to RMS in English earlier this year. This talk was uploaded here. Start at around 25 minutes from the start to skip to the new material and skip past some cruft/replay/technical perils. http://techrights.org/2022/06/07/jeffrey-peterson-and-rms/
23:10 TR Bot; 2022 Talk by Richard Stallman About Free Software and Online Dis-Services | Techrights
23:10 orgg; just focus on your job
23:10 orgg; make the boss happy
23:10 schestowitz_TR2; this is an oversimplification
23:10 orgg; and the rich he will have the kids you didnt
23:11 schestowitz_TR2; and "Career" is a nebulous term
23:11 schestowitz_TR2; the rich don't mind overpopulation
23:11 schestowitz_TR2; capitalism devalues workers and makes more consumers this way
23:11 schestowitz_TR2; it also let's more public debt, based on speculations, available
23:11 orgg; they do because they will have to pay more taxes
23:12 orgg; with computer and robots you dont need any cheap workers
23:12 schestowitz_TR2; they are already grossly undertaxed
23:12 schestowitz_TR2; and it gets worse over time
23:13 orgg; you are living in the past
23:13 schestowitz_TR2; robots and computers are nothing new
23:14 orgg; yes but back then they needed the workfoce for warfaring
23:14 schestowitz_TR2; so in some sense you too are "living in the past"
23:15 orgg; capitalism is economic imperialism
23:15 schestowitz_TR2; not an apt analogy
23:16 orgg; the underling implications havent chaged
23:16 schestowitz_TR2; capitalism is a system for distribution of labour and capital
23:16 schestowitz_TR2; imperialism is another thing
23:16 orgg; its a self fulfilling circuit
23:16 schestowitz_TR2; it's territorial expansion to take over the assets or resources of people in anotrher system
23:16 schestowitz_TR2; imperialism is capitalism metastacising
23:17 orgg; competition will lead to war
23:18 schestowitz_TR2; the "great reset" is not what people think :-)
23:18 schestowitz_TR2; it's when the "wrong" people get to the nukes
23:18 schestowitz_TR2; and use them like fireworks
23:18 schestowitz_TR2; to reset the system
23:18 orgg; reset?
23:18 schestowitz_TR2; there are far too many nukes to keep "safe"
23:18 schestowitz_TR2; orgg: mass famine
23:18 orgg; theres no coming back ftom that
23:18 schestowitz_TR2; will likely happen in 50-100 years
23:19 schestowitz_TR2; due to inaction
23:19 orgg; thats no reset its more like game over
23:19 schestowitz_TR2; it's mass destruction
23:19 schestowitz_TR2; war at a higher level
23:19 schestowitz_TR2; when they bring out the more lethal toys
23:20 schestowitz_TR2; biden is now bringing putin to the brink
23:20 psydruid; https://wccftech.com/ampere-ampereone-cpu-arm-architecture-launch-later-2022-ddr5-pcie-5-0-support-compares-intel-amd-x86-cpus-against-altra-family/?beta=1
23:20 schestowitz_TR2; biden is like 80
23:20 TR Bot; Ampere's AmpereOne CPU With ARM Architecture To Launch Later This Year With DDR5 & PCIe 5.0 Support, Compares Intel & AMD x86 CPUs Against Altra Family
23:20 schestowitz_TR2; he doesn';t give a shit
23:20 orgg; its the next great extinction
23:20 orgg; also with global worming
23:20 schestowitz_TR2; latest: https://truthout.org/articles/putin-threatens-to-escalate-war-if-ukraine-receives-long-range-missiles/
23:20 TR Bot; Putin Threatens to Escalate War If Ukraine Receives Long-Range Missiles
23:20 orgg; sorry climate change!
23:20 schestowitz_TR2; not sure if "MSM" cover it
23:20 schestowitz_TR2; or covers is >like this<
23:21 schestowitz_TR2; they must be too busy talking about Putin's testicles or something
23:21 schestowitz_TR2; to 'gamify' the war
23:21 orgg; whats MSM?
23:21 schestowitz_TR2; corporate media
23:21 *psydruid is getting intrigued hearing the term global worming
23:21 schestowitz_TR2; aka "mainstream"
23:22 orgg; MSN
23:22 schestowitz_TR2; https://www.thenation.com/article/world/american-empire-chalmers-blowback/
23:22 TR Bot; When Blowback Is More Relevant Than Ever | The Nation
23:22 orgg; thats what i was thinking
23:23 DaemonFC; That new vacuum is a lot better than the old one.
23:23 DaemonFC; I even sucked all the cat fur out of the cat tree.
23:23 DaemonFC; The roller doesn't tangle up on cat fur. (self-cleaning)
23:23 schestowitz_TR2; "Vanden Heuvel says U.S. corporate media is responsible for what she calls a one-sided debate on Ukraine, which is greenlighting unprecedented spending on weapons over the importance of negotiations." https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/6/katrina_vanden_heuvel_kyiv_severodonetsk_ukraine
23:23 TR Bot; Katrina vanden Heuvel on How U.S. Medias One-Sided Debate on Ukraine Fans the Flames of War | Democracy Now!
23:23 DaemonFC; It actually gets the crap off my kitchen floor on bare floor mode instead of kicking it around.
23:24 schestowitz_TR2; https://truthout.org/video/corporate-media-is-leaving-pro-negotiation-voices-out-of-ukraine-russia-reports/
23:24 TR Bot; Corporate Media Are Leaving Pro-Negotiation Voices Out of Ukraine-Russia Reports
23:25 schestowitz_TR2; Russia does the same btw
23:25 schestowitz_TR2; treats pro-peace voicers like traitors
23:25 schestowitz_TR2; and even arrests a huge chuck of them to make an example
23:25 schestowitz_TR2; putin is 70 this coming october
23:26 schestowitz_TR2; so he and the other zombie do what the lobbyists tell them
23:26 schestowitz_TR2; "to dictators" (2018)
23:26 schestowitz_TR2; *two
23:26 schestowitz_TR2; "two seniles" (2022)
23:27 schestowitz_TR2; and covid-19 sandwiched there in between
23:27 orgg; iran is weeks away from becoming a super power
23:28 schestowitz_TR2; https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-10/fox-news-host-calls-president-trump-a-dictator-apologizes
23:28 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
23:28 schestowitz_TR2; https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/10/a-fox-news-host-has-accidentally-referred-to-the-highly-anticipated-summit-between-president-donald-trump-and-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un-as-a-meeting-of-two-dictators
23:28 TR Bot; 'Two dictators': Fox News host says sorry for reference to Trump-Kim summit | Fox News | The Guardian
23:28 schestowitz_TR2; "sorry"
23:28 schestowitz_TR2; forced apologies
23:28 schestowitz_TR2; ask Linux Torvalds
23:28 schestowitz_TR2; *Linus
23:28 schestowitz_TR2; https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/fox-news-host-calls-president-trump-a-dictator-apologizes/
23:29 schestowitz_TR2; https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/11/we-all-have-slip-ups-fox-news-host-apologizes-for-calling-trump-and-kim-two-dictators/
23:29 schestowitz_TR2; https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/11/twodictators-lights-up-twitter-after-fox-news-host-accidentally-uses-term-for-trump-and-kim.html
23:29 schestowitz_TR2; these malware sites will crash the bot
23:30 orgg; isn't it strange they haven't found any "intelligent" life in the universe?
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23:30 TR News; Best Jar file opener apps https://www.theserverside.com/blog/Coffee-Talk-Java-News-Stories-and-Opinions/Top-5-best-JAR-file-openers Source: theserverside
23:30 schestowitz_TR2; the search con tinues
23:30 orgg; probally they already nuke them selfs into dust
23:30 schestowitz_TR2; install SETI@HOME
23:30 schestowitz_TR2; becfore fakecoins were a thing
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23:31 orgg; or change the enviroment behond repair
23:31 schestowitz_TR2; people wasted cpu cycles running algos that look for patterns in stochastic crap
23:31 *matey (~matey@zbyq5zpgk4h7a.irc) has joined #techrights
23:31 schestowitz_TR2; of course they never found anything trillion upon treillionf of cpu cycles later
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23:31 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
23:31 matey; considering the size of the universe
23:32 orgg; thats was some sort of NSA spyware
23:32 matey; and the speed of light, its not really that surprising
23:32 orgg; to find nutcases
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23:32 matey; its sort of like covering every square inch of a remote island, finding no one on it
23:32 schestowitz_TR2; the universe doesn't care about us or about this whole planet
23:32 matey; and assuming your country must therefore be the only one with people
23:32 schestowitz_TR2; it scratches its arse and moves on
23:32 schestowitz_TR2; more action is happening in the Sun
23:32 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> the universe doesn't care about us or about this whole plane <- i think youre projecting
23:32 schestowitz_TR2; it's also a lot bigger
23:33 matey; whether the universe cares is irrelevant
23:33 schestowitz_TR2; putin and biden get theior ladder
23:33 schestowitz_TR2; they climb to the next planet
23:33 schestowitz_TR2; or space elevator
23:33 orgg; shouldn't be hard to fins a planet like ours with so much radio chater going on
23:33 matey; the probability that only one planet has life is so ridiculous, its hard to imagine how anyone could even think we are alone
23:34 schestowitz_TR2; the trumpo and biden regime let musk grift off taxpayers
23:34 schestowitz_TR2; for lunatic "space" millions
23:34 matey; our planet is so special, we are the only ones!
23:34 schestowitz_TR2; fulfilling rich poeople's fantasies
23:34 orgg; there can be life
23:34 matey; but if seti cant find intelligent life
23:34 orgg; but not like ours
23:34 matey; it seems just as unlikely that a manned space mission would
23:34 matey; unless we can somehow fix the ftl thing
23:35 schestowitz_TR2; even if we found life elsewhere, we cannot travel that far
23:35 matey; then maybe seti would have more luck
23:35 matey; even if we found life elsewhere, we cannot travel that far <- no but
23:35 schestowitz_TR2; and we nprobably don't want THEM to come HERE
23:35 matey; INTERSTELLAR TWITTER
23:35 schestowitz_TR2; I would not be the first to say that
23:35 matey; maybe elon already found life :)
23:35 orgg; plantes with carbon based life forms have a short winfow in time to be founf before the obliterate them selfs
23:35 matey; and just wants to own a platform to talk to them on
23:35 matey; and monitor and censor them and keep them from criticising bill gates
23:35 matey; of course
23:36 schestowitz_TR2; matey: he also found wife... several times
23:36 matey; mozilla will want to pretend to give them privacy
23:36 matey; the fsf can ask them for money even though they dont do anything
23:36 schestowitz_TR2; fedora will issue panda NFTs to them
23:36 schestowitz_TR2; to thank them for the slave assignment
23:36 matey; ibm can ask them to crowdfund their defence contracting
23:37 matey; this isnt about humanity and its search for a bigger world
23:37 matey; its about finding more customers, obviously
23:37 schestowitz_TR2; some nuclear wqeapons facilities probably STILL use IBM's floppy disks
23:37 matey; more dumb fucks for zuck
23:37 schestowitz_TR2; replacing them is work in progress
23:37 schestowitz_TR2; IOBM: do it SLOWLY
23:37 schestowitz_TR2; "we want to keep this client!"
23:37 matey; thats what she said
23:38 matey; (or he said)
23:38 schestowitz_TR2; too late
23:38 matey; nah
23:38 schestowitz_TR2; mr. "emacs virggin"
23:38 matey; its still the office
23:38 matey; all virgins are women
23:38 matey; this a fact most people dont know
23:38 schestowitz_TR2; men have no hymen
23:39 schestowitz_TR2; but every hymen has men in it
23:39 matey; hymens dont determine virginity, sex does
23:39 matey; now, theres are crazy people who check hymens
23:39 schestowitz_TR2; in indonesia
23:39 matey; but thats pretty dumb, when even virgins can injure one without having sex
23:39 schestowitz_TR2; you can get killed for having the wrong membrane
23:39 matey; yeah, they should be LESS religious in indonesia
23:39 schestowitz_TR2; either by your own family, future partner, or the state
23:39 DaemonFC; Okay, I like this "Amazon Basics" 20" fan.
23:40 matey; either by your own family, future partner, or the state <- or all three in some big orgy
23:40 DaemonFC; Costs more than the Lasko down at the Walmart, but it's a lot quieter and moves more air.
23:40 matey; i mean everyone gets fucked by the government
23:40 DaemonFC; I mainly buy cheap Laskos to run as air purifiers.
23:40 matey; or all three in some big orgy <- libreplanet.org/
23:40 DaemonFC; So they're always just on lower settings anyway to pull air through the filters.
23:40 matey; /me two thumbs up
23:40 matey; (not like that)
23:41 TR News; Using SSH tunneling for good and evil https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/feature/Using-SSH-tunneling-for-good-and-evil Source: techtarget
23:41 TR Bot; Using SSH tunneling for good and evil
23:41 DaemonFC; They can do their work over time and as long as they change over the room air often enough, the filters get all nice and black and full of cat hair.
23:41 orgg; you also gona need to relese oxigen wi9th your purifier
23:41 DaemonFC; We're having really really bad smog today.
23:41 orgg; cause its going down
23:41 matey; please do not tweet eggplant emojis at libreplanet
23:41 schestowitz_TR2; not sure if working was intentional, but they have the controversial "twoi finger test"
23:41 orgg; were?
23:41 DaemonFC; Those furnace filter air purifiers can remove most of the small particles.
23:41 matey; tweeting from a script is fine
23:41 schestowitz_TR2; iirc, the indonesian army does or did that to women
23:42 matey; scripting eggplants is not
23:42 matey; theres a nuance
23:42 schestowitz_TR2; as if fitness for the army depends on some membrane
23:42 matey; iirc, the indonesian army does or did that to women <- that sounds like progress
23:42 matey; of a somewhat backwards variety but like
23:42 matey; they let virgin women into the military?
23:42 matey; i didnt know they let ANY women in the military
23:43 matey; these poor excuses for keeping a group out dont tend to last
23:43 schestowitz_TR2; look it up
23:43 matey; "dont ask dont tell" etc
23:43 matey; <schestowitz_TR2> look it up <- im not that sceptical of this one
23:43 matey; i wasnt aware of it though
23:43 matey; so from here it sounds like progress
23:43 schestowitz_TR2; the indonesian army has many non-combat role
23:44 matey; ofc
23:44 schestowitz_TR2; like harassing the people in timor
23:44 schestowitz_TR2; and spying on them
23:44 matey; very important work
23:44 schestowitz_TR2; keeping some of them in cages
23:44 schestowitz_TR2; us has female drone operators now
23:44 schestowitz_TR2; and proud of it
23:44 schestowitz_TR2; women too can bomb women
23:44 matey; very progressive!
23:44 schestowitz_TR2; and little girls
23:44 schestowitz_TR2; that's very progressive
23:44 matey; and boys who... well who cares, theyd only grow up to being men
23:46 TR News; Twitter is dying, fast. There's a Carl Icahn with hairplugs now. His name is Ilon. [sic] https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/06/twitter_musk_bots/
23:46 TR Bot; Elon Musk threatens to terminate $46.5bn Twitter deal The Register
23:46 schestowitz_TR2; matey: the army has a slogan
23:46 DaemonFC; I might just hold the cat down and vacuum her out.
23:46 matey; i figure they have a few
23:46 schestowitz_TR2; you must be this tall and have hymen to kill men
23:46 DaemonFC; It'd be faster.
23:46 matey; thats a very awkward slogan, it could use some punching up a bit
23:46 schestowitz_TR2; that';s be a "halal" assassination
23:47 schestowitz_TR2; *that'd
23:47 matey; or being the military they might shoot it, but presumably they want to take it alive
23:47 matey; that';s be a "halal" assassination <- im gonna go out on a limb here and assume "halal" doesnt require that
23:47 DaemonFC; No, you have to say a prayer first.
23:47 matey; but i figure youre joking anyway
23:48 schestowitz_TR2; you could go out ona lamb and still be halal
23:48 matey; ill give you that one
23:48 schestowitz_TR2; you could cook a journalist
23:48 matey; but not eat him
23:48 schestowitz_TR2; but torture him first
23:48 DaemonFC; I was reading an article about how skittish Muslims and Jews are about plant "pork".
23:49 DaemonFC; It's just fake shit with spices on it.
23:49 DaemonFC; I mean, what's the hangup?
23:49 matey; /me has met some nice indonesians
23:49 schestowitz_TR2; they will ask some imams and rabbis
23:49 DaemonFC; They always get the texture and taste way wrong anyway.
23:49 matey; i dont THINK they tortured anybody
23:49 schestowitz_TR2; with big beards and egos
23:49 schestowitz_TR2; matey: they totured him first
23:49 schestowitz_TR2; and it's them who expoert radical islam to indonesia
23:49 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, I was reading complaints about Amazon Basics.
23:50 matey; understood, but...
23:50 DaemonFC; Apparently, Amazon figures out what people are buying, clones it, and undercuts you like 30-40%.
23:50 DaemonFC; Then all your customers go straight to them because it's the same thing anyway.
23:50 matey; im hardly defending the military here
23:51 matey; im pretty sure if you wrote a report on the actions of the indonesian military over the past 10 or 20 years
23:51 matey; i wouldnt approve of most of it
23:51 matey; i rarely do approve of most of the things a military does
23:52 matey; for one thing, even the best of them keep getting sent out to do things that are broadly criminal and/or make no sense at all
23:52 matey; if not for that maybe i would feel differently
23:52 DaemonFC; The lasko box fan loudness can be dampened by building a cube of furnace filters on the back.
23:53 DaemonFC; Which is how you build the air purifier anyway.
23:53 DaemonFC; Then the sound mostly goes into the filters and gets muffled out anyway.
23:53 schestowitz; < We are more focused on talking about economic cooperation" (it's ALMOST about MONEY) https://en.tempo.co/read/1598946/jokowi-outlines-5-points-of-bilateral-meeting-with-australian-pm
23:53 TR Bot; Outlines 5 Points of Bilateral Meeting with Australian PM - News en.tempo.co
23:53 DaemonFC; But to run in a room where you just need a quiet fan? No.
23:53 matey; ALMOST?
23:53 schestowitz_TR2; ALWAYAS
23:53 schestowitz_TR2; slip
23:53 matey; either way
23:54 schestowitz_TR2; indonesia is a big weapons client
23:54 matey; lots of killin to do
23:54 matey; busy busy
23:54 schestowitz_TR2; they are a massive population
23:54 schestowitz_TR2; and they don't make good weapons
23:54 matey; you know what they say, idle hands are the devils workshop
23:54 DaemonFC; schestowitz_TR2, So essentially sellers that are gouging the consumer are mad that Amazon comes along, removes the supply chain inefficiencies, and sells products of the same quality.
23:54 schestowitz_TR2; [16:41] <techrights-news> Nigeria https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/06/why-is-the-us-selling-weapons-to-nigeria-after-it-bombed-civilians/ | Source: Counter Punch
23:54 TR Bot; is the US Selling Weapons to Nigeria After It Bombed Civilians? - CounterPunch.org
23:54 schestowitz_TR2; many oeprators
23:54 DaemonFC; And that's how Capitalism _should_ work.
23:54 schestowitz_TR2; but no equipment
23:54 matey; then again, im pretty sure they didnt mean killing so many people would be a better idea
23:55 DaemonFC; Because you can pass most of the cost savings to the consumer and make up for it in volume.
23:55 DaemonFC; That's how Walmart _used_ to operate.
23:55 matey; and they don't make good weapons <- hmm
23:55 schestowitz_TR2; indonesia does not make planes for example
23:55 schestowitz_TR2; but it bought many planes
23:56 schestowitz_TR2; and then used them to bomb nations to bits
23:56 DaemonFC; https://urbansurvivalsite.com/ways-to-wipe-your-butt-when-the-toilet-paper-is-gone/
23:56 TR Bot; 15 Ways to Wipe Your Butt When the Toilet Paper is Gone
23:56 DaemonFC; "Some people have suggested using books, but I have too much respect for books to recommend that."
23:56 matey; the military likes doing that to countries
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23:56 DaemonFC; Maybe some cheap-o conservative books that didn't sell and ended up at the Dollar Tree and have a bunch of pages.
23:56 schestowitz_TR2; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=c0CWPVWA6bw
23:56 TR Bot; Death of a Nation: The East Timor Conspiracy (John Pilger) - Invidious
23:56 matey; it gets restless if it doesnt get to kill people
23:56 schestowitz_TR2; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qtS49e9luew
23:56 TR Bot; British arms sales to the Indonesian dictatorship - Invidious
23:56 schestowitz_TR2; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=L2X-uz1rCBc
23:56 TR Bot; Globalization Killed 1 Millions Indonesian in 1965 - Invidious
23:57 schestowitz_TR2; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lFBRIx-nCTM
23:57 TR Bot; Globalization the bloody beginnings history. Indonesia takeover by Western Capitalism. John Pilger. - Invidious
23:57 schestowitz_TR2; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tMs_qxHnnzc
23:57 TR Bot; John Pilger - Kasus Pembantaian 1965 yang Dilupakan Pemerintah Indonesia - Invidious
23:57 schestowitz_TR2; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rNXL1a3y_1c
23:57 TR Bot; John Pilger Exposes Indonesian Sweat Shops Backed By The IMF (20th Anniversary) | Our History - Invidious
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23:58 DaemonFC; They have a bunch of books at Goodwill that are just utter garbage but only cost 25 cents.
23:58 schestowitz_TR2; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pfrL2DUtmXY
23:58 TR Bot; John Pilger - The New rulers of The World - Invidious
23:58 DaemonFC; Tearing out pages and wiping with them is cheaper than toilet paper.
23:58 DaemonFC; As long as you're not destroying a GOOD book, who cares?
23:59 schestowitz_TR2; 1$ a day
23:59 schestowitz_TR2; salary
23:59 schestowitz_TR2; kids too
23:59 schestowitz_TR2; "made in indonesia"
23:59 matey; sure, i mean their parents are off fighting and killing
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