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00:46 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/26/stan-the-cat-crashes-zoom-court-and-gets-entered-into-an-official-trial-record/
00:46 TR Bot; Stan The Cat Is On The Record After Crashing A Zoom Trial Hearing A Thread
00:51 matey; "can you read that past statement back please?"
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00:52 matey; "yes your honour, the defendent said, 'i had entered the AKAF;;af'fafafjafFjfajhgfr;gajfaa'a;a;;a;a;;;a;a;;a;; sorry, that was my cat'"
00:52 MinceR; :D
00:53 matey; my question is, if he keeps doing that, would the cat be held in contempt?
00:53 MinceR; would the cat care?
00:53 MinceR; also, it's video chat so they probably don't type into the chat at all
00:53 matey; would he have to spend weeks in a kennel, or would they just give him a little bracelet and put him on house arrest?
00:53 MinceR; lol
00:54 matey; so they probably don't type into the chat at all <- one time there were two cats doing SOMETHING (they knew what they were doing) outside my window
00:54 matey; it was loud as... i mean, it was (literally) loud as fuck
00:54 MinceR; :>
00:55 matey; they dont need keyboard access to be disruptive
00:55 matey; also cats are louder than (most) people when they do that
00:55 matey; its not like the window was open either. single pane though
00:58 matey; /me screen showing face of man via camera
00:58 matey; "all rise"
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00:59 matey; /me screen showing closeup of button shirt on man via camera
00:59 MinceR; just angle the camera down
00:59 matey; if its just for a parking ticket, sure
01:00 matey; or a speeding ticket
01:00 matey; angle the camera down <- oh to simulate standing, lol
01:01 MinceR; yes
01:01 matey; i think youre exempt if youre in a wheelchir too
01:01 matey; "all rise... more or less"
01:02 matey; itd be great if he looked over at the guy in a wheelchair and he shrugged at the judge
01:04 matey; and then theres the guy who wont get up because hes got a cat sleeping in his lap, and the cat isnt declawed
01:05 matey; so whatever they decide to do about that, it still beats getting up
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01:21 barto; hi everyone
01:21 bnchs; hey uplink import
01:27 matey; hi barto
01:31 bnchs; gn
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02:37 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-060522.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-060522.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-060522.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-060522.txt
02:37 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, May 06, 2022
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05:12 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, May 06, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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05:12 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
05:16 TR News; Kids should not have such spying, preying devices https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/fire-7-kids-edition-tablet/
05:16 TR Bot; Get a Fire 7 Kids Pro Tablet for Under $50 - Make Tech Easier
05:17 TR News; Cathode Ray Tubes: Unusual Ways They Were Used Beyond TV Sets https://tedium.co/2022/05/06/cathode-ray-tubes-obscure-uses/ Source: tedium
05:17 TR Bot; Cathode Ray Tubes: Unusual Ways They Were Used Beyond TV Sets
05:19 TR News; Writing "Hello, world!" from scratch part I: making a new ISA gemini://bobignou.red/posts/Writing-Hello-world-from-scratch-part-I-making-a-new-ISA.gmi
05:21 TR News; "I have 10GB data on Google servers and I chose to export in tgz format (and unzip with the command 'tar xvf takeout-001.tgx')." gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2022-01-29-google-takeout.gmi
05:23 TR News; #HowTo Install GoLang (Go Programming Language) in Ubuntu [5 Steps] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164561
05:23 TR Bot; How to Install GoLang (Go Programming Language) in Ubuntu [5 Steps] | Tux Machines
05:29 TR News; "The UPC and the EPC are sinking ships" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:29 TR Bot; Deepening social tensions and an 'extremely hostile' president at the EPO - Kluwer Patent Blog
05:31 TR News; "The members of the AC are egged on by the lobby power of the EPOs bulk users, multi-national corporations who demand ever larger piles of granted patents at ever reduced cost, with quality being of no interest to them whatsoever." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:32 TR News; "likely explanation of events is that EPOs senior management, together with select members of the AC, have formed a self-serving clique that engages in mutual back-scratching in order to achieve the objective of sharing out (to the members of the clique) as much as possible of the profits of the Organisation." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo
05:32 TR Bot; Deepening social tensions and an 'extremely hostile' president at the EPO - Kluwer Patent Blog
05:32 TR News; "The AC has degraded itself to a rubber stamping authority which nods off everything that is proposed by the head of office. One wonders why? I take bets that the present tenant of the 10th floor will get is contract extended at the next AC meeting." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:33 TR News; "I do not think that the head of the EPO is in an impossible position. He has chosen his side, and what interests him is to make savings at any costs, even at the cost of ill-treating the EPC and EPOs staff." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:33 TR News; "During the OP in G 1/21, the presidents representatives insisted heavily on the fact that the EPC can be revised by secondary legislation. What a strange way of insuring the rule of law! If the EBA and the AC had a minimum of spine, they would have opposed all those projects and changes." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:34 TR News; "This is the core of the problem and without a deep thinking about the future of the EPO and its role in Europe, the future looks bleak. In this respect a conference pursuant Art 4a is badly needed." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:34 TR News; "The apparent aim of the actual tenant of the 10th floor is to churn out as many patents as possible as it brings renewal fees, push the BA into an intensive production (re-appointment) and let eventually the UPC decide on the fate of the patents." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:35 TR News; "At the UPC this is fundamentally different... In this respect, I can agree with you that he clearly helps bulk users, i.e. multi-national corporations who demand ever larger piles of granted patents at ever reduced cost, with quality being of no interest to them whatsoever." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:36 TR News; "Just as the EPO President wags the Council, the Council delegates will wag their ministers. EPO staff as always will be excluded from the discourse (with the exception of a chosen few in the upper circle of cronies)." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:36 TR News; "One problem of the EPO is that we have too many chiefs. Every new president brings an entourage which stays even after the president has already left. Did someone mention the late PD Human Resources? All these chiefs have no purpose. However, to justify their existence, they create projects and projects of questionable value."
05:37 TR News; "Why should the EPO wish to adopt a Trump-like attitude of never admitting to failures or weaknesses, even when those are plain for all to see? Does this mean that the EPOs senior echelons are staffed with thin-skinned narcissists who are incapable of receiving even constructive criticism?" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:37 TR News; "Perhaps a more pertinent question is whether the EPOs senior management really believe that their propaganda fools anyone, and whether they have any idea of quite how many of us feel insulted by it." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:38 TR News; "I have to agree with Experienced Examiner that the EPO is more and more resembling a Mexican army with lots of generals with doubtful attributions, other than being a presidents crony. The standard joke when a new director/principal director is appointed: does he come from the Iberian peninsula and/or does he have some connection with the tenant of the 10th floor?"
05:38 TR News; "What all those people are good at, is to publish very verbose documents full of buzzing management jargon, alas without any tangible content. The AC seems very receptive for all those Potemkins villages. Those people decide how the job should be carried out, but have not the faintest idea of what it entails."
05:39 TR News; "Have you ever heard a peep from epi when the boards were moved to Haar in order to increase the perception of their independence? Or now, when the boards are meant to be repatriated to Munich? Those two moves have cost and will cost the users of the EPO millions in . All clients of epi members!"
05:40 TR News; "BusinessEurope is the association of large corporations writing the new examination rules, who controls SACEPO, where corporate members are appointed by Campinos. Where are SMEs in all this?" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
05:41 TR News; "It is not for epi to decide who is on the list of qualified representatives, but for the Legal Division. It is thus not possible to render epi responsible for the presence of a former VP on the list. If the Legal Division has admitted this former VP as qualified representative, for whatever reason, the epi has to accept him."
05:41 TR News; "In the end, it is immaterial who writes to the AC. The AC will simply ignore it, secure in the comfort of its bubble of immunity/impunity. Indeed it is very true that where there is a will, there is a way. However, in the case of the EPO, it is doubtful as to where there is any will "
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05:59 TR News; Conde Nast (of Reddit etc.): we not only employ pedophiles who shill for Microsoft (and get arrested for raping kids), for a whole decade. We also do white-washing for billionaires who are Jeffrey Epstein enablers. I suppose Reddit and Ars have no qualms about promoting paedophiles while censoring those who speak on the subject.
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07:36 TR News; Based on Statcounter, Edge market share fell every month this year. Microsoft Edge, Jan to May: 4.12, 4.06, 4.05, 4.05, and 4.04%
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07:54 TR News; "The saga of the IPv6 transition continues to surprise us all." https://blog.apnic.net/2022/05/04/the-transition-to-ipv6-are-we-there-yet/ | Source: APNIC
07:54 TR Bot; The transition to IPv6: Are we there yet? | APNIC Blog
07:54 TR News; "Key exchange is a mechanism where two parties (Alice and Bob) can agree on the same number" https://x25519.ulfheim.net/ | Source: X25519 Key Exchange
07:54 TR Bot; Hands-on: X25519 Key Exchange
07:54 TR News; "One of the most exciting aspects of this system are the satellites surrounding Earth." https://ciechanow.ski/gps/ | Source: Bartosz Ciechanowski
07:54 TR Bot; GPS Bartosz Ciechanowski
07:54 TR News; "This is all wonderful but as already hinted in the introduction getting Shazam to work on Linux is more of a workaround." https://www.techzim.co.zw/2021/08/mousai-is-an-awesome-music-identification-app-for-linux/ | Source: Zimbabwe
07:54 TR Bot; Mousai is an awesome music identification app for Linux - Techzim
07:55 TR News; "cookie consent window" https://uxdesign.cc/unethical-design-of-cookie-consent-windows-857ef68f1bd6?gi=71579739af58 | Source: UXCollective
07:55 TR Bot; It's time we fix the unethical design of cookie consentwindows | Nicat Manafov | Medium | UX Collective
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07:57 TR News; "I've got into a situation with PG I've never been into before." https://solovyov.net/blog/2022/postgresql-collation/ | Source: Alexander Solovyov
07:57 TR Bot; PostgreSQL collation
07:58 TR News; "There are only a few apps I use every day and shell ZSH is one of the most used." https://solovyov.net/blog/2020/useful-shell-prompt/ | Source: Alexander Solovyov
07:58 TR Bot; Useful shell prompt
07:58 TR News; "Ahmadreza Djalali was arrested and charged with espionage during an invited visit to the University of Tehran in 2016." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/iran-threatens-academics-execution-thwart-war-crimes-trial | Source: Times Higher Education
07:58 TR Bot; Iran threatens Ahmadreza Djalali execution | Times Higher Education (THE)
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07:59 TR News; I deleted Windows! And switched to Fedora gemini://akselmo.dev/posts/blog-2022-05-06-I-deleted-Windows-and-switched-to-Fedora.gmi
08:06 TR News; This week in KDE: New features and many bugfixes for Plasma 5.25 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164562
08:06 TR Bot; This week in KDE: New features and many bugfixes for Plasma 5.25 | Tux Machines
08:06 TR News; 7 Best Free and Open Source Python Object-Relational Mapping Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164563
08:06 TR Bot; 7 Best Free and Open Source Python Object-Relational Mapping Software | Tux Machines
08:07 TR News; Fedora Linux to Keep Legacy BIOS Support, For Now Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164564
08:07 TR Bot; Fedora Linux to Keep Legacy BIOS Support, For Now | Tux Machines
08:15 TR News; Well, Pro Publica taking BRIBES from Bill Gates is a threat to democracy. Why take money from criminals? https://www.propublica.org/getinvolved/help-propublica-investigate-threats-to-u-s-democracy | Source: Pro Publica
08:15 TR Bot; Help ProPublica Investigate Threats to U.S. Democracy ProPublica
08:16 TR News; Ewww... Rust https://blog.torproject.org/arti_030_released/ | Source: Tor
08:16 TR Bot; Arti 0.3.0 is released: Robustness and API improvements | The Tor Project
08:17 TR News; Ukraine https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/toward-a-peoples-ukraine-wars-tribunal/ | Source: Counter Punch
08:17 TR Bot; a Peoples Ukraine Wars Tribunal - CounterPunch.org
08:17 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164565
08:17 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
08:17 TR News; Builder GTK 4 Porting, Part III Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164566
08:17 TR Bot; Builder GTK 4 Porting, Part III | Tux Machines
08:23 TR News; Radxa offers affordable Rock Pi 4 C+ equipped with Rockchip RK3399-T processor Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164567
08:23 TR Bot; Radxa offers affordable Rock Pi 4 C+ equipped with Rockchip RK3399-T processor | Tux Machines
08:26 ciphrCat; I found the site where the guy handles data breaches (databreaches dot net). But the site is CFd so I wont use them.
08:26 TR News; Fascism https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/242277/ | Source: Counter Punch
08:26 TR Bot; is Intentional - CounterPunch.org
08:26 schestowitz; yes, AdmFubar uses that site a lot, ciphrCat
08:27 TR News; "Tired of Being Worked to Death" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/tired-of-being-worked-to-death-labor-strikes-back/ | Source: Counter Punch
08:27 TR Bot; of Being Worked to Death, Labor Strikes Back - CounterPunch.org
08:29 TR News; The Economist (run by Rothschild) and Indian media now do reputation laundering from a serial criminal, Bill Gates. They should be blasted for this. WHAT ARE THEY DEFENDING???
08:30 TR News; Bill Gates-bribed media missing OpenDocument Format :( https://www.pcworld.com/article/698762/eve-onlines-spreadsheets-in-space-sim-adds-excel-partnership.html https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/6/23059064/eve-online-fanfest-microsoft-excel
08:30 TR Bot; Online's 'spreadsheets in space' are getting official Excel love | PCWorld
08:30 TR Bot; Sci-fi virtual world EVE Online is getting Microsoft Excel support - The Verge
08:31 TR News; 2-factor surveillance https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/05/05/1346259
08:31 TR Bot; GitHub to Require Two Factor Authentication for Code Contributors by Late 2023 - SoylentNews
08:31 TR News; The Facebook Papers: the Algorithms That Control Your News Feed - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/05/05/1257227 Source: soylentnews
08:31 TR Bot; The Facebook Papers: the Algorithms That Control Your News Feed - SoylentNews
08:32 TR News; Attackers Use Event Logs to Hide Fileless Malware - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/05/05/042214 Source: soylentnews
08:32 TR Bot; Attackers Use Event Logs to Hide Fileless Malware - SoylentNews
08:32 TR News; Amazon or SweatshopZone? https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/amazon-fires-managers-recently-unionized-warehouse | Source: Common Dreams
08:32 TR Bot; Amazon Fires Managers at Recently Unionized Warehouse
08:32 TR News; The real Amazon https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/green-groups-blame-bolsonaro-policies-amazon-deforestation-sets-new-monthly-record | Source: Common Dreams
08:32 TR Bot; Green Groups Blame Bolsonaro Policies as Amazon Deforestation Sets New Monthly Record
08:33 TR News; "Campaigners within and beyond the Philippines on Friday applauded a new government report that backs accountability for major polluters" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/landmark-inquiry-philippines-backs-accountability-climate-polluting-corporations | Source: Common Dreams
08:33 TR Bot; Landmark Inquiry in Philippines Backs Accountability for 'Climate-Polluting' Corporations
08:34 TR News; My boycott of BBC is no longer partial but complete. First they covered up for Savile and they're doing it all over again with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates... while PROFITING from it.
08:36 TR News; We saw him at the track a few days ago. He mingles with everyone. What a humble, smart man. https://www.mancity.com/news/mens/newcastle-matchday-live-preview-nedum-onuoha-63787443
08:36 TR Bot; Onuoha: Premier League title still in our hands
08:39 TR News; Mariana Ziku https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/06/episode-28-open-culture-voices-mariana-ziku/ | Source: Creative Commons
08:39 TR Bot; Episode 28: Open Culture VOICES Mariana Ziku - Creative Commons
08:39 TR News; Simon Tanner https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/06/episode-27-open-culture-voices-simon-tanner/ | Source: Creative Commons
08:39 TR Bot; Episode 27: Open Culture VOICES Simon Tanner - Creative Commons
08:40 TR News; "The U.S. Copyright Office has launched a public consultation to evaluate whether it's wise to make certain technical protection measures mandatory under the DMCA." https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-copyright-office-seeks-input-on-mandatory-dmca-upload-filters-220506/ | Source: Torrent Freak
↺ https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-copyright-office-seeks-input-on-mandatory-dmca-upload-filters-220506/
08:40 TR Bot; Copyright Office Seeks Input on Mandatory DMCA "Upload Filters" * TorrentFreak
08:40 TR News; "Major entertainment industry groups representing film studios, record labels, videogame developers and publishers have signed a deal with internet service providers in Sweden" https://torrentfreak.com/movie-music-gaming-publishing-groups-join-isps-in-deal-to-block-piracy-220506/ | Source: Torrent Freak
08:40 TR Bot; Music, Gaming & Publishing Groups Join ISPs in Deal to Block Piracy * TorrentFreak
08:40 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164568
08:40 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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08:55 TR News; Arti 0.3.0 is released: Robustness and API improvements Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164569
08:55 TR Bot; Arti 0.3.0 is released: Robustness and API improvements | Tux Machines
08:56 ciphrCat; i need an mbox to LaTeX converter, because sometimes I have to distribute an email history in a readible pretty-printed format. And it looks like I have to create it.
08:57 matey; cool idea though
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09:29 TR News; "Politics, Then Country" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/supreme-court-politics-then-country/ | Source: Counter Punch
09:29 TR Bot; Court: Politics, Then Country - CounterPunch.org
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09:52 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D581.jpg
09:52 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D224.jpg
09:54 TR News; "I think I link being miserable, bitter and cynical to being a good person, which is not healthy" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
09:54 TR News; "upper-middle-class work is insane. you have finance (get paid to play the slots and steal from people), consulting (get paid to take the blame for other people's problems) and big tech (manifest the absolute worst ideas anyone has come up with)." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
09:56 TR News; "On Tuesday I lost all hearing in my left ear over the course of three hours. I had that otherwise common, ephemeral tinnitus that one sometimes experiences for 3-4 seconds. I had an unusual number of bouts, and they started lasting progressively longer. Then hearing just never returned." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/928
09:59 TR News; "For a while, the Transjovian Council hosted a copy of the Gemini Mailing List Archive. This is no longer the case, unfortunately." gemini://transjovian.org/page/2022-01-01%20Gemini%20Mailing%20List%20Archive
10:01 TR News; "Prosecutors have an obligation to turn over evidence exculpatory or otherwise to criminal defendants." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/court-dismisses-case-after-prosecutors-make-it-impossible-for-defendants-to-access-evidence/ | Source: Techdirt
10:01 TR Bot; Dismisses Case After Prosecutors Make It Impossible For Defendants To Access Evidence | Techdirt
10:01 TR News; "gaming" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/the-stick-to-sports-crowd-is-now-coming-after-gaming-companies/ | Source: Techdirt
10:01 TR Bot; Stick To Sports Crowd Is Now Coming After Gaming Companies | Techdirt
10:06 TR News; Disney https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/disney-is-still-trying-to-avoid-paying-its-writers/ | Source: Techdirt
10:06 TR Bot; Is Still Trying To Avoid Paying Its Writers | Techdirt
10:06 TR News; Rotting economy, with declining salaries and massive inflation https://truthout.org/articles/labor-force-participation-continues-toward-pre-pandemic-levels/ | Source: TruthOut
10:07 TR Bot; Labor Force Participation Continues Toward Pre-Pandemic Levels
10:07 TR News; Alliance of the corrupt https://truthout.org/articles/trump-encouraged-elon-musk-to-buy-twitter-truth-social-ceo-devin-nunes-says/ | Source: TruthOut
10:07 TR Bot; Trump Encouraged Elon Musk to Buy Twitter, Truth Social CEO Devin Nunes Says
10:08 TR News; Unions https://truthout.org/articles/the-house-will-vote-next-week-on-allowing-its-staffers-to-unionize/ | Source: TruthOut
10:08 TR Bot; The House Will Vote Next Week on Allowing Its Staffers to Unionize
10:09 TR News; Book Banning on the Rise in the US https://www.projectcensored.org/book-banning-on-the-rise-in-the-us/ | Source: Project Censored
10:09 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/book-banning-on-the-rise-in-the-us/ )
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11:28 TR News; "telecom and media giants are engaged in a last ditch attempt over the next few weeks to derail Bidens nomination" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/fraternal-order-of-police-helps-boost-telecom-smear-campaign-against-fcc-nominee-gigi-sohn/ | Source: Techdirt
11:28 TR Bot; Order Of Police Helps Boost Telecom Smear Campaign Against FCC Nominee Gigi Sohn | Techdirt
11:29 TR News; "The justice system loves a stacked deck. Well, certainly the prosecutorial side loves it. Courts are, at best, ambivalent." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/05/judge-clemency-board-with-three-cops-on-it-doesnt-violate-rule-against-more-than-two-people-from-same-profession/ | Source: Techdirt
11:29 TR Bot; Clemency Board With Three Cops On It Doesnt Violate Rule Against More Than Two People From Same Profession | Techdirt
11:33 TR News; "The party has so far made a net gain of 75, gaining seats from Labour and Conservatives in areas as far ranging as Burnley, Hastings, Hackne" https://www.greenparty.org.uk/ | Source: Green Party UK
11:33 TR Bot; Green Party | Fighting for Climate Action. If not now, when?
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12:55 TR News; FCC https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/dems-accused-caving-rabid-telecom-industry-smear-campaign-against-fcc-nominee | Source: Common Dreams
12:55 TR Bot; Dems Accused of Caving to 'Rabid' Telecom Industry Smear Campaign Against FCC Nominee
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13:06 TR News; Patents continue to kill millions and Biden does nothing https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/05/06/biden-broke-his-promise-support-generic-covid-19-vaccines-world | Source: Common Dreams
13:06 TR Bot; Opinion | Biden Broke His Promise to Support Generic Covid-19 Vaccines for the World | Sarah Lazare
13:11 TR News; "Fire season is upon us. Theres no off-season anymore. 24/7 takes on paradoxically darker and brighterand ever hotterconnotations." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/242388/ | Source: Counter Punch
13:11 TR Bot; on Fire - CounterPunch.org
13:17 TR News; "The corporation must give it back by sharing the tech with others and make this vaccine available to everyone, everywhere." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/while-hoarding-vaccine-recipe-moderna-got-another-300-million-us-taxpayers | Source: Common Dreams
13:17 TR Bot; While Hoarding Vaccine Recipe, Moderna Got Another $300 Million From US Taxpayers
13:17 TR News; "On May 10, Daniels support team is hosting an online meeting for supporters to write letters together to Hale in prison" https://couragefound.org/2022/05/daniel-hale-is-courages-newest-beneficiary/ | Source: Courage Found
13:17 TR Bot; Daniel Hale is Courages newest beneficiary | Courage Foundation
13:18 TR News; Daniel Hale https://couragefound.org/2022/05/one-year-in-a-cage-letter-writing-night-for-daniel-hale-may-10/ | Source: Courage Found
13:18 TR Bot; One Year in a Cage: Letter Writing Night for Daniel Hale, May 10 | Courage Foundation
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13:57 TR News; Illinois https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/illinois-cops-are-hitting-students-with-hefty-fines-for-breaking-school-rules/ | Source: Techdirt
13:57 TR Bot; Cops Are Hitting Students With Hefty Fines For Breaking School Rules | Techdirt
13:58 TR News; Twitter https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/missouri-and-louisiana-sue-biden-administration-because-twitter-blocked-hunter-biden-link-before-biden-was-president/ | Source: Techdirt
13:58 TR Bot; And Louisiana Sue Biden Administration Because Twitter Blocked Hunter Biden Link Before Biden Was President | Techdirt
13:58 TR News; Starbucks https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/cry-more-starbucks-mocked-complaining-about-workers-white-house-visit | Source: Common Dreams
13:58 TR Bot; 'Cry More': Starbucks Mocked for Complaining About Workers' White House Visit
13:59 TR News; Surveillance https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/the-border-industrial-complex-in-the-biden-era-robotic-dogs-and-autonomous-surveillance-towers-are-the-new-wall/ | Source: Counter Punch
13:59 TR Bot; Border-Industrial Complex in the Biden Era: Robotic Dogs and Autonomous Surveillance Towers Are the New Wall - CounterPunch.org
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14:02 TR News; Elliot Williams et al https://hackaday.com/2022/05/06/hackaday-podcast-167-deadly-art-projects-robot-lock-pickers-led-horticulture-and-good-samaritan-repairs/ | Source: Hackaday
14:02 TR Bot; Podcast 167: Deadly Art Projects, Robot Lock Pickers, LED Horticulture, And Good Samaritan Repairs | Hackaday
14:06 TR News; Sites like propublica, which take bribes from Bill Gates, have two reasons not to cover his crimes but to cover them up. 1) they might put at risk future money from the criminal. 2) by writing on the issue people might be led to point out the bribes, taking the scandal public So the bribes are hush money or PR money (BillPR/NPR and BillBC).
14:08 TR News; Patents kill https://truthout.org/articles/moderna-got-another-300-million-from-us-taxpayers-while-hoarding-vaccine-recipe/ | Source: TruthOut
14:08 TR Bot; Moderna Got Another $300 Million From US Taxpayers While Hoarding Vaccine Recipe
14:09 TR News; EFF pandering to partisan issues https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/safegraphs-disingenuous-claims-about-location-data-mask-dangerous-industry | Source: EFF
14:09 TR Bot; SafeGraphs Disingenuous Claims About Location Data Mask a Dangerous Industry | Electronic Frontier Foundation
14:11 TR News; "Watching television today is a very different experience from that which our parents would have had at our age" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/06/retrotechtacular-how-television-worked-in-the-1950s/ | Source: Hackaday
14:11 TR Bot; How Television Worked In The 1950s | Hackaday
14:12 TR News; "On paper, chording thats pressing multiple keys to create either a single character or a whole word" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/06/pico-chording-keyboard-is-simultaneously-vintage-and-new/ | Source: Hackaday
14:12 TR Bot; Chording Keyboard Is Simultaneously Vintage And New | Hackaday
14:12 TR News; ElectriPop https://hackaday.com/2022/05/06/electripop-turns-cut-mylar-into-custom-3d-structures/ | Source: Hackaday
14:12 TR Bot; Turns Cut Mylar Into Custom 3D Structures | Hackaday
14:13 TR News; Patent monopolies https://truthout.org/video/vaccine-inequity-prolongs-pandemic-as-worldwide-death-toll-tops-15-million/ | Source: TruthOut
14:13 TR Bot; Vaccine Inequity Prolongs Pandemic as Worldwide Death Toll Tops 15 Million
14:13 TR News; "Parental Rights" https://truthout.org/articles/far-right-parental-rights-groups-want-to-eliminate-the-department-of-education/ | Source: TruthOut
14:13 TR Bot; "Parental Rights" Groups Want to Eliminate the Department of Education
14:14 TR News; MinceR is governmed by 'Zucks'... "Hungarian embassy in Kyiv took toFacebook" https://insighthungary.444.hu/2022/05/06/secretary-of-national-security-and-defense-council-of-ukraine-hungary-was-warned-about-putins-plans-to-attack-ukraine | Source: Hungary
14:14 TR Bot; Secretary of National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine: Hungary was warned about Putin's plans to attack Ukraine - InsightHungary
14:16 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Friday, May 06, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/irc-log-060522/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/07/irc-log-060522/
14:16 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Friday, May 06, 2022 | Techrights
14:18 TR News; "The bane of life for anyone who possesses a well-used pile of spanners is the humble nut and bolt." https://hackaday.com/2022/05/06/screwed-up-can-technology-be-a-substitute-for-regular-maintenance/ | Source: Hackaday
↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/05/06/screwed-up-can-technology-be-a-substitute-for-regular-maintenance/
14:18 TR Bot; Up: Can Technology Be A Substitute For Regular Maintenance | Hackaday
14:22 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://threatpost.com/attackers-use-event-logs-to-hide-fileless-malware/179484/ | Source: Threat Post
14:22 TR Bot; Use Event Logs to Hide Malware | Threatpost
14:22 TR News; "ransomware group believed to have strong ties within Russia said Wednesday" https://www.cyberscoop.com/lockbit-ransomware-attack-bulgarian-refugee-agency/ | Source: Scoop News Group
14:22 TR Bot; ransomware group claims attack on Bulgarian refugee agency - CyberScoop
14:22 TR News; My new project: Jeuxterm (online games in terminal) gemini://tilde.team/~aprilnightk/gemlog/2022/05/07-jeuxterm.gmi
14:23 TR News; Biblical gemini? gemini://idiomdrottning.org/homeless-god
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14:51 bnchs; yay fortnite is now on xbox cloud...
14:51 bnchs; tim sweeney totally not biased towards microsoft
14:53 MinceR; lol
14:54 bnchs; https://yewtu.be/llvh33y_-vQ?t=77
14:54 TR Bot; Nvidia LIED. - Invidious
14:56 bnchs; also next to the fortnite shit is passwordless login
14:56 bnchs; involving applel, gulag, and microsoft
14:57 bnchs; "would push a request to your phone"
14:58 bnchs; holy fucking shit that is SO GOOD!!!
14:58 bnchs; it would not impact people who don't have phones, right?
14:58 bnchs; nor would like to use the non-free clients
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15:08 matey; nor would like to use the non-free clients <- fortnite is free software?
15:14 MinceR; https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/29/bofh_2022_episode_8/
15:14 TR Bot; BOFH: What's that sucking up our UPS capacity? The Register
15:14 bnchs; matey: that was about passwordless login
15:15 bnchs; fortnite is non-free
15:15 bnchs; so is it's engine
15:15 bnchs; (which has a EULA, which forbids specific licenses such as GPL)
15:24 matey; its a fucking shame (and a farce) when people use the gpl as a eula
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15:25 matey; the terms of the gpl contradict such usage-- theyre about conveying, not use
15:25 MinceR; how does that even work? GPL is explicitly not for end-users only
15:25 matey; it doesnt, its a complete contradiction
15:25 matey; you dont have to agree to the gpl to use the software
15:26 bnchs; matey: true
15:26 matey; compliance and non-compliance are triggered exclusively by distribution
15:26 bnchs; you have to comply with the GPL only if you're distributing the program
15:26 bnchs; not using it
15:27 MinceR; 07 162548 < matey> you dont have to agree to the gpl to use the software
15:27 matey; asking someone to click agree to the gpl is like asking a pedestrian to turn off their foglights
15:27 MinceR; you do need to accept the license terms to use the software
15:27 MinceR; otherwise you have no license to use it
15:27 bnchs; "This means, for example, that you may not combine the Licensed Technology with code or content that is licensed under any of the following licenses: GNU General Public License (GPL), Lesser GPL (LGPL) (unless you are merely dynamically linking a shared library), or Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License."
15:27 MinceR; and so copyright law forbids you from dealing in it
15:27 bnchs; "You may not, and may not permit others to, combine, Distribute, or otherwise use the Licensed Technology with any code or other content which is covered by a license that would directly or indirectly require that all or part of the Licensed Technology be governed under any terms other than those of this Agreement (those licenses, the Non-Compatible Licenses). "
15:27 bnchs; - unreal engine EULA
15:28 bnchs; remember that CC BY-SA is in the list aswell
15:28 MinceR; unreal engine has a business model that doesn't work with free software
15:28 matey; you do need to accept the license terms to use the software <- there are no usage requirements within the gpl to accept.
15:28 bnchs; MinceR, true
15:29 MinceR; there are plenty of free engines one may use instead
15:29 bnchs; you have accept their EULA to get access to the source code
15:29 bnchs; and their EULA specifically forbids using code or content that's licensed under GPL or LGPL or CC BY SA
15:29 matey; thats probably not enforceable
15:30 matey; lets say that i write gpl code or content that works with fortnite
15:30 matey; fortnite has no way of knowing the license terms of what im using
15:31 matey; lets say im distributing code or content that works with fortnight
15:31 matey; the eula has no jurisdiction over that, it only applies when im using the program
15:31 bnchs; <matey> lets say that i write gpl code or content that works with fortnite
15:31 bnchs; you can't combine that with the engine itself
15:32 matey; i mean you might as well have a eula that forbids you from buying a mac.
15:32 bnchs; this only applies to the engine IIRC
15:32 bnchs; not the game
15:32 matey; how do you enforce that?
15:32 bnchs; well i don't think they can
15:32 matey; so its moot
15:33 matey; terms that cant be enforced dont exist
15:33 matey; now i dont doubt there are exceptions where some part of something can be enforced maybe
15:33 matey; on the whole id say its moot, with possible minor exceptions
15:33 matey; its one of those things some legal person thought was clever to put in there
15:33 matey; theres no law saying you cant put fud in a eula
15:34 matey; i think it mostly serves as propaganda
15:34 matey; the wtfpl is also propaganda
15:34 matey; its gpl compatible and at least a free software license, but i still tell people to avoid it because it contains fud and bullshit
15:34 matey; i mean id never recommend using it
15:35 bnchs; lol
15:35 bnchs; they only made this EULA to add their shitty royality clause
15:35 bnchs; royalty*
15:35 matey; there you go
15:35 bnchs; "You agree to pay Epic a royalty equal to 5% of all Royalty Revenue (as defined in the next section), regardless of whether that revenue is received by you or any other person or entity."
15:36 matey; i wonder how enforceable that is
15:36 matey; epic should rename themselves to epic arseholes
15:36 matey; but thats sort of already known
15:36 bnchs; they probably added the "non-compatible licenses" clause because the licenses would strip the royalty clause they added
15:36 bnchs; for their greed
15:37 matey; this is the first time i was aware that epic made fortnite, which probably says a lot about how much i track non-free software
15:37 matey; and games in general
15:37 matey; on the games front, im at least paying an increasing amount of attention to stuff that isnt github-based
15:38 matey; which isnt much obviously
15:38 bnchs; i see everything shilling unreal engine
15:38 matey; i keep track (within weeks typically) of things added to the free software directory
15:38 bnchs; and contributors actually thinking they're helping something by contributing to the source-available code
15:38 matey; every month or two, they add half a dozen things that arent github-based
15:38 matey; you read that correctly
15:39 bnchs; rather than thinking they're helping epic maintain their iron fist on gamedevs
15:39 matey; its probably easier to build a free cpu than it is to get gamers to give a shit about free software
15:40 matey; i mean the latter does happen. and the former likely will happen
15:40 matey; but the former probably wont take another 40 years, and the latter probably will
15:41 matey; im aware of small groups of gamers (and obviously developers) that give a shit about free software
15:41 matey; i mean there are a few here
15:41 matey; im aware of others
15:42 bnchs; modern gaming is bullshit nowadays
15:42 matey; one thing thats difficult is that games really are a form of art and cultural expression (i mean some are at least)
15:42 matey; and the fsf is stupid about that issue.
15:42 matey; really incredibly stupid.
15:42 bnchs; how much microtransactions, DLCs and other greedy shit a gamer can tolerate before they crack
15:42 matey; all software should be free <- we dont care about art though
15:43 matey; i dont mean assets. they think its about assets.
15:43 matey; its not, its about the whole thing
15:43 bnchs; matey: but they are reverse engineered game engines
15:43 matey; if the assets in fortnite were under a free license, and the game was not, you couldnt simply "make fortnite" from them
15:43 matey; but they are reverse engineered game engines <- ive used one
15:43 bnchs; that are built to run games with non-free assets on it
15:43 bnchs; like xash3D for goldsrc games
15:44 matey; but the thing is
15:44 matey; the fsf is stupid about non-software works. in a way that costs them a whole category of software
15:44 bnchs; the fsf should care about software
15:44 bnchs; not assets
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15:44 matey; stallman thinks that because you can say it in the form of a sentence, that you can tell people non-software doesnt need to be free but assets do
15:45 bnchs; yes, free assets should be apart of a free software
15:45 matey; <bnchs> not assets <- youre wrong. they already care about assets.
15:45 matey; but by not caring about free culture, they basically push aside the entire army that might liberate games
15:45 matey; so you have the idea of "lets have free assets" but you dont have any people who can make that happen (relatively speaking)
15:46 matey; and what happened as a result is that open source gained an opportunity
15:46 matey; to bring in everyone that cared about free culture, which they did
15:46 matey; its like if america needed to go to war, and told canada to go fuck themselves, so canada decided to help china instead
15:47 bnchs; that's true
15:47 matey; unfortunately the only people working to fix this at the fsf are the lying open source brigade
15:47 matey; so right move, wrong reasons, self-defeating methodology
15:48 bnchs; how would you change that
15:48 matey; yes, free software needs free culture. but free culture is a vangard of free expression, and the only people who care about free culture at the fsf are those working to destroy free expression
15:48 matey; <bnchs> how would you change that <- you need people who actually demand freedom to care about free culture
15:49 matey; it will happen eventually :/
15:49 matey; but every year it doesnt happen is a year that free software is operating at half-strength at best
15:49 MinceR; https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/2144.html
15:49 TR Bot; Darths & Droids
15:49 matey; and having a bunch of backstabbers demand free culture isnt transformative (at least not in a positive way)
15:50 matey; if nothing reasonable and honest can be built at the fsf, then everything has to be built around, near, or next to it
15:50 bnchs; i'm looking at a few things
15:51 bnchs; https://github.com/ninjamuffin99/Funkin
15:51 TR Bot; - ninjamuffin99/Funkin: A rhythm game made with HaxeFlixel
15:51 bnchs; this guy is literally pathetic
15:51 bnchs; >licensed under apache 2.0
15:51 bnchs; >IF YOU MAKE A MOD AND DISTRIBUTE A MODIFIED / RECOMPILED VERSION, YOU MUST OPEN SOURCE YOUR MOD AS WELL
15:51 matey; doy
15:52 bnchs; he avoids using GPL, thinking that his game will get official console releases
15:52 bnchs; as much chances as a divorced man thinking his ex-wife will come back to him
15:53 matey; i actually got back with my divorced wife briefly
15:53 matey; but of course it was the same problem the second time
15:54 bnchs; i remember he replaced the apache 2.0 license with "if u make mods, open source them, lol!"
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15:54 bnchs; which briefly made his game non-free until he reverted it back to apache 2.0
15:55 matey; my guess is he wasnt able to revoke the license on anything except new changes
15:55 matey; so the non-free part was insubstantial
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15:55 matey; of course if he had kept going that way, it might not be
15:56 bnchs; he changed the license even with the game still having 3rd party contributions licensed under apache 2.0
15:56 MinceR; lol @ official console releases
15:56 matey; either way hes treating freedom as some kind of gimmick, which is sort of what open source does
15:56 bnchs; he would have gotten sued
15:56 bnchs; MinceR, lol "NinjaMuffin wants to use GPL, but he was advised by someone he clearly trusted that using any GPL license is a death wish, when it comes to the planned Nintendo port. He's seeking alternatives, so he stumbled here until then. Hopefully shit gets cleared soon, because licensing is hell to deal with."
15:56 matey; he would have gotten sued <- how?
15:56 MinceR; consoles have been a waste of resources since 1993, if not earlier
15:57 bnchs; matey: having legally incompatible code?
15:57 bnchs; maybe not sued
15:57 bnchs; but complained
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15:57 matey; what i dont understand is how "still having 3rd party contributions licensed under apache 2.0" is incompatible with what he did
15:58 matey; i mean you can mix apache 2.0 with non-free as far as i know
15:58 matey; thats sort of the point
15:58 bnchs; hmm
15:58 matey; but he would have to distribute the contributions under the correct terms
15:59 matey; the contributions themselves dont become non-free
15:59 matey; theyre used in a non-free project
15:59 bnchs; but if he reverted it to apache 2.0
15:59 matey; but i believe you can do that. as long as you do it within the rules
15:59 bnchs; then he has to relicense all of the previous contributions to apache 2.0
16:00 matey; was this a typo then? "still having 3rd party contributions licensed under apache 2.0"
16:00 matey; did you mean it the other way around?
16:00 matey; he changed back to 2.0 while still having contributions under non-free licenses?
16:00 matey; if you have a free or non-free project with apache 2 contributions...
16:01 matey; the contributions are always available under apache 2
16:01 bnchs; matey: yes
16:01 matey; sticking them in a non-free (or free) game doesnt change their status
16:01 bnchs; i actually meant the other way around
16:01 matey; but it is (i believe) allowed. you still have to do certain things
16:01 matey; i actually meant the other way around <- ahhh ok
16:01 matey; yes, now i understand the problem
16:01 bnchs; but anyway, it's obvious he treats freedom as a gimmick
16:02 matey; he cant relicense other contributions under a different license without asking the contributors
16:02 matey; i mean he cant liberate their code for them-- unless of course theres a cla
16:02 matey; but from what ive read about this guy, theres no way hes using a cla
16:02 bnchs; there was no cla
16:02 bnchs; he did this suddenly
16:02 matey; of course not
16:02 bnchs; out of nowhere
16:03 matey; it sounds like incompetence
16:03 matey; but we pretty much sussed that already
16:03 bnchs; he's willing to sacrifice freedom to have console ports of his game
16:04 matey; "no copyright infringement intended" :)
16:04 matey; magic words
16:04 matey; that do nothing
16:05 matey; maybe he needs to work on his ninja training
16:05 bnchs; his community is mainly a bunch of underaged kids on discord
16:06 bnchs; i've seen tutorials about how to compile his game on youtube
16:06 bnchs; most of them are just blindly running commands
16:06 matey; its impressive they know how to compile it
16:06 bnchs; and ignoring errors (such as the program not existing)
16:06 bnchs; making a broken build
16:06 matey; and ignoring errors (such as the program not existing) <- oh, lol
16:06 matey; i guess it WOULD BE impressive
16:06 matey; if they knew
16:07 matey; ive compiled very little, in the traditional sense
16:07 bnchs; and they did it all in windows
16:07 matey; i worked on cutting qb64 in half and compiled that in gpp
16:07 bnchs; and windows' CMD
16:07 matey; i was trying to get it to compile to python instead of c++ :)
16:08 matey; of course the compiler itself was still written in c++
16:08 matey; ive compiled bash, python2 (cpython) and this little program that locks the screen
16:08 bnchs; i used to compile qbittorrent when i was a kid
16:09 matey; i changed the icon, which was implemented in some kind of array (hardcoded)
16:09 bnchs; when arch linux didn't have it
16:09 matey; but ive compiled little else
16:09 matey; i also wrote a compiler, but in python (and it translates code to python)
16:09 matey; still thats compiling
16:10 matey; although they often call it something else like transpiling
16:10 matey; but the reason i hate compiling is build systems
16:10 matey; and broken builds
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16:10 matey; and not knowing (to this day) enough about compiling to fix such things
16:11 matey; openbsd has helped a bit
16:11 matey; but only in the sense that i was able to compile something as complex as bash or cpython
16:12 matey; i mean i still have no idea how it works
16:12 bnchs; i had to modify a program a bit to get it working with modern OpenSSL
16:12 matey; theres not much point changing a program if you cant compile it afterward :)
16:13 matey; obviously if its in a scripting language you dont have to
16:13 matey; which is one reason scripting languages are so great
16:13 matey; make the change, and... thats it, youre done
16:13 matey; it comes with costs but the benefits are huge
16:14 matey; obviously it doesnt work to do absolutely everything that way
16:15 matey; and you have to compile the interpreters, or at least someone does
16:18 activelow; too scripts are compiled, it's JIT, while typically C is compiled AOT, just-in-time and ahead-of-time
16:19 activelow; this difference isn't the reason, most software sucks
16:20 bnchs; activelow, a program has to be compiled for a CPU to understand
16:21 bnchs; so basically anything written in assembly or C is compiled ahead of time
16:21 bnchs; i mean there will always be AOT compiled programs
16:23 activelow; with asm macros are expanded into opcodes i would say, slight difference to compilation, meaning an asm macro processor is different to a C compiler, result being the same, opcodes a CPU can load into memory and process
16:23 activelow; meanwhile, wrapped some more stuff into alpha ebuilds... such as dvtm and abduco, which are very nice goodies to have
16:23 MinceR; https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/2147.html
16:23 TR Bot; Darths & Droids
16:24 activelow; haven't got a solution yet, to hook into a screen-locker (cmatrix&&vlock) into either dvtm or abduco, similar to what tmux supports with the lock-command
16:24 activelow; and, another one for today, sixel support with dvtm; and btw. i consider abduco+dvtm a preferrable choice, in comparison to gnu screen or tmux
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16:26 matey; of course
16:27 matey; one of the cool things about tinycc is you can use it to sort of turn c into a scripting language
16:27 matey; because its that fast
16:27 matey; but in terms of practical use, you can see how many people are using it that way... i mean
16:28 matey; one of the typical feature of a "scripting language" is taking care of the sort of mundane (but useful) tasks that c forces you to do yourself
16:28 matey; so the idea of c as a scripting language is amusing at least, and many practical for something
16:28 matey; but in general thats not likely to catch on
16:28 matey; s/many/maybe/
16:29 *activelow doesn't like scripting languages and any non-posix bashism
16:30 MinceR; there are posix bashisms?
16:30 matey; one of the reasons that python works as a scripting language is it already has so many pieces that are written in other, faster, more powerful languages
16:30 matey; /me really hates bash more all the time
16:30 MinceR; i don't think that many pieces are written for python in more powerful languages
16:30 matey; libraries...
16:31 MinceR; written in lisp or something?
16:31 matey; i meant like c or c++
16:31 matey; which i consider more powerful than python
16:31 activelow; MinceR: probably, bash got an environment parameter POSIXLY_CORRECT=1 ... wouldn't trust any script in compliance would be portable then to any other POSIX shell
16:32 MinceR; i don't consider either of them to be as powerful as python
16:32 MinceR; try implementing the same thing in them :>
16:32 activelow; bash+c+*nix utilities
16:32 MinceR; activelow: i think that's more Bourne shell than bash
16:32 matey; the point of saying this was to note that i dont believe you can simply do everything in a scripting language
16:33 MinceR; also, possibly the behavior of libc
16:33 matey; because even the most powerful scripting langauges have components which rely on the power of other languages
16:33 MinceR; i don't see how this "scripting language" category is helpful
16:33 MinceR; python offers a lot more software leverage than c++ does
16:34 matey; im a big fan of scripting, or interpreted language
16:34 matey; i learned basic originally, i used it for 25 years
16:34 matey; first as an intepreter, then compiled, then interpreted again
16:34 matey; i spent years looking for a suitable replacement, and when i found it, it was python
16:35 matey; basic was originally a compiler, on the dtss at least
16:35 MinceR; so, if you have a bit of common lisp or scheme code and you can both compile it into a binary and have the REPL interpret it, is it written in a scripting language or not?
16:35 matey; im not pushing "scripting language" as a term, its just what most people call easy to use interpreted language
16:36 matey; stallman worries about "programming" vs "coding" but i know people will always lean towards the latter simply because "close enough" and "fewer letters"
16:37 matey; len('scripting') < len('interpreted') and more or less the same thing, so...
16:37 MinceR; :>
16:37 MinceR; still, it's not a quality of the language, or even of the language implementation
16:38 matey; for the most part i agree
16:38 matey; and yet no one is going to create a driver or an os in python
16:38 matey; the closest thing there is would be the sugar platform
16:38 bnchs; python is used for embedded devices though
16:38 matey; and thats all on the surface obviously
16:38 matey; yeah listen, python is probably my favourite language, even now
16:38 matey; other than my own, which compiles to (and is implemented in) python
16:39 MinceR; you can write a FUSE filesystem driver in python
16:39 matey; thats fucking awesome.
16:39 MinceR; more drivers should be implemented in userspace
16:39 matey; fuse is supposed to be a linux thing (i thought it was) but sshfs is fuse and sshfs is available in bsd
16:39 bnchs; if the driver crashes, doesn't mean the entire kernel crashes with it
16:39 matey; and i think freebsd does fuse anyway
16:40 activelow; another idea is, a scripting language is used for prototyping, and then the python prototype source text is "transpiled"/translated into C
16:40 matey; my only gripe about python (other than github, which pypy sort of takes care of)
16:40 matey; is that python 3 isnt a language at all (just like rust) but a webapi posing as a language
16:40 MinceR; dunno about that, but i have gripes about python
16:40 matey; which pypy2 sort of takes care of
16:41 MinceR; too much MICROS~1 control, no built-in support for multiline lambdas
16:41 matey; so i target pypy compatibility
16:41 matey; im not leet enough to worry about lambdas
16:41 MinceR; iirc python3 still makes some hairy assumptions about some inputs being utf-8
16:41 XRevan86; matey: IIRC, ye were speaking of some code snippet that ye can't port to Python 3, can I look at it?
16:41 matey; i tried lambdas in python, but i didnt inhale
16:41 MinceR; multiline lambdas can be effectively added back in via hy, but i wish that wasn't necessary
16:42 MinceR; and, well, with non-hy lisp dialects, it isn't necessary :>
16:42 matey; XRevan86: f = open(file).read() ; print(f) # :)
16:42 matey; im completely serious
16:43 matey; to make that work (reliably) in python 3 you have to do all sorts of nasty things
16:44 matey; the best retort to this is "python 2 also did all sorts of nasty things, and those werent reliable"
16:44 matey; and thats true-- but not for the things ive used python for since 2009.
16:44 matey; to the present.
16:44 matey; python 3 breaks that code-- i can tell you how long it took for my python 3 hackish replacement of that code to fail on me.
16:45 matey; i wrote a fairly straightforward workaround (in python 3) that took about half a year to break
16:45 matey; so i went back to python 2 and f = open(file).read() ; print(f)
16:45 matey; and it didnt break, and i use that
16:45 MinceR; sounds like one of those unicode issues
16:45 matey; of course it is
16:46 matey; all i want (unicode string wise) from python 3 is
16:46 matey; from _past_ import strings
16:46 matey; there is no such thing (and braces will come first)
16:46 MinceR; :>
16:46 matey; but pypy is highly unlikely to abandon python 2 compatibility
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16:47 matey; so its cheaper to use pypy2 than worry about fixing python 3
16:47 TR Bot; European Parliament opposes plan to fingerprint all MEPs for a biometric attendance register Patrick Breyer
16:47 TR News; "Some of these apps share data with third parties." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61347934 | Source: BBC, protector of pedophiles
16:47 TR Bot; Period tracking apps warning over Roe v Wade case in US - BBC News
16:47 matey; even if you fixed python 3
16:47 matey; microsoft will destroy it
16:47 matey; between github and guido working for satan, thats bad enough
16:47 matey; the rustification of python 3 is even worse than that
16:47 XRevan86; matey: with open(file, "rb") as f: ; print(f.read().decode(errors='replace'))
16:47 XRevan86; matey: Will that do?
16:48 matey; XRevan86: ill tell you in 6 months?
16:48 XRevan86; matey: That's a weird answer.
16:48 matey; thats how long it took my own workaround to fail
16:48 TR News; "The United States has previously deployed its cyber teams to countries including Estonia and Ukraine." https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1687896/us-rushed-cyber-team-to-lithuania-over-russia-hacking-threat-media | Source: LRT
16:48 TR Bot; US rushed cyber team to Lithuania over Russia hacking threat media - LRT
16:48 matey; i was working on thousands of files, and weird shit was happening
16:48 XRevan86; matey: That's not a workaround, that's a straightforward hack.
16:48 matey; but other than that my workaround worked
16:48 bnchs; i used python to make my unpacker/packer for some console game file format
16:49 matey; .decode(errors='replace') <- i am not familiar with this
16:49 matey; it looks smart, but i still dont know of it
16:49 matey; maybe it does EXACTLY what i want
16:49 matey; but since i dont know it, how could i say it does?
16:49 XRevan86; 1. open with "binary", because otherwise Python 3 expects UTF-8; 2. decode the binary mess into a UTF-8 representation that can be printed out, the undecodable characters will be replaced with "" kind of shit, just like Python 2 does.
16:50 matey; thats AWESOME
16:50 MinceR; it will probably still drop some characters, it just won't quit with an exception when it sees something it doesn't like
16:50 XRevan86; So it does explicitly what Python 2 does implicitly.
16:50 TR News; "The US Treasury Department announced on Friday that its sanctioning Blender.io" https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/6/23060544/us-treasury-blender-io-sanctions-bitcoin-mixer | Source: The Verge
16:50 TR Bot; US punishes Blender.io for helping North Korea launder millions in stolen Axie crypto - The Verge
16:50 matey; why the fuck dont more people teach that?
16:50 TR News; So-called "currency" https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/us-sanctions-north-korean-cryptocurrency-mixing-firm-84544295 | Source: ABC
16:50 TR Bot; US sanctions North Korean cryptocurrency mixing firm - ABC News
16:50 SomeH4x0r; XRevan86: is it a "replacement character" or you meant something else?
16:50 XRevan86; MinceR: Just like Python 2.
16:50 MinceR; even python2 couldn't just act like cat does?
16:50 matey; its not like ive never spent DAYS looking for solutions
16:50 matey; its not like i didnt try 2to3
16:50 MinceR; i thought it didn't make assumptions about the encoding of what it read from a file
16:50 matey; <MinceR> even python2 couldn't just act like cat does? <- maybe it can
16:51 matey; <MinceR> i thought it didn't make assumptions about the encodin <- welcome to my world mincer
16:51 MinceR; i know python3 does
16:51 matey; <XRevan86> MinceR: Just like Python 2. <- this is great though
16:51 matey; oh
16:51 MinceR; well, whatever, scheme and common lisp are both better than python
16:51 matey; sure, if you like that sort of thing
16:52 matey; im not stupid enough to diss lisp
16:52 matey; but i dont have to prefer it even if its better :)
16:52 XRevan86; matey: https://docs.python.org/3/library/codecs.html#codecs.decode here's the documentation.
16:52 TR Bot; codecs Codec registry and base classes Python 3.10.4 documentation
16:52 TR News; "Digital development and sustainability are important drivers of economic growth in both Estonia and Japan" https://news.err.ee/1608589411/estonia-and-japan-sign-digital-cooperation-agreement | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling
16:52 TR Bot; Estonia and Japan sign digital cooperation agreement | News | ERR
16:52 matey; ive looked at that before
16:52 matey; just not closely enough obviously
16:52 TR News; "Two weeks ago, the European Union reached a deal on the final terms of its landmark regulation, the Digital Services Act." https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/3479764-a-safe-open-internet-with-transatlantic-rules-is-easier-than-it-sounds/ | Source: The Hill
16:52 TR Bot; A safe, open internet with transatlantic rules is easier than it sounds | The Hill
16:53 XRevan86; MinceR: There could be a difference, but only on a non-UTF-8 terminal.
16:53 matey; ive learned coding mostly through examples and tutorials
16:53 TR News; "A California judge on Friday tossed out former President Trumps lawsuit that sought to lift his Twitter ban." https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3480189-judge-tosses-out-trump-lawsuit-over-lifting-twitter-ban/ | Source: The Hill
16:53 TR Bot; Judge tosses out Trump lawsuit over lifting Twitter ban | The Hill
16:53 matey; with bits of documentation, but not foremost
16:53 matey; im not a cut and paster, that way leads to all sorts of horrors
16:54 TR News; "Specifically, Nvidia violated Section 17(a)(2) and (3) of the Securities Act of 1933 and the disclosure provisions" https://www.pcworld.com/article/698599/u-s-government-slaps-nvidia-with-a-5-5-million-fine-over-geforce-gpus-used-for-crypto-mining.html | Source: PC World
16:54 TR Bot; SEC slaps Nvidia with a $5.5 million fine over GeForce GPUs used for crypto | PCWorld
16:54 matey; id rather write my own horrors than cut and paste someone elses into something even worse
16:54 XRevan86; matey: The fun thing is that there are many "error handlers", and one can even make a custom one.
16:54 matey; yeah i used try and except like a noob.
16:54 XRevan86; That will interpret binary garbage to one's liking.
16:54 matey; but it worked for half a year
16:55 matey; .read().decode(errors='replace') <- this is
16:55 matey; if you were in town id buy you lunch
16:55 bnchs; i hate packed file formats
16:56 bnchs; specifically one's that don't store filenames but instead CRC32 hashes of the filename
16:56 TR News; "[YLE] followed a chat thread on WhatsApp, in the Russian language, about plans for Sunday's event." https://yle.fi/news/3-12433378 | Source: YLE
16:56 TR Bot; Pro-Russia convoy organisers discuss violence, guns in closed group chat | News | Yle Uutiset
16:56 TR News; "Elon Musk's Twitter takeover has sparked fears that the platform may now be more vulnerable to Beijing's influence" https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/twitter-concerns-05042022121601.html | Source: RFA
16:56 TR Bot; Musk's Twitter acquisition prompts renewed fear of Chinese influence, infiltration Radio Free Asia
16:57 matey; my filesystem uses utf anyway
16:57 matey; im not bothered by that
16:58 matey; .decode(errors='replace') <- i always tell people
16:58 matey; the biggest, worst bugs are usually very small (and often simple)
16:58 bnchs; decode?
16:58 bnchs; i don't decode crap
16:58 bnchs; but i should have
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 144.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 489.88
16:59 XRevan86; matey: Like not sanitising input?
16:59 XRevan86; That's in top 5 of bugs for sure.
16:59 matey; well i did my best
17:00 matey; and i looked for the very thing you suggested, but to no avail
17:00 matey; /me checks how long ago he abandoned the python 3 version of
17:01 matey; six yaers ago.
17:01 matey; six years ago i gave up on the python 3 version and went back to python 2
17:02 matey; i still prefer python 2 for stability and simplicity
17:02 matey; and pypy is maintained (unlike cpython2 obviously) which is why i hate the "python 2 isnt maintained" shit
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17:02 matey; because cpython is the only implementation in the world.
17:02 matey; i mean the python foundation gave 10,000 to pypy but they act like it doesnt exist
17:03 bnchs; cpython is the best implementation of python
17:03 matey; its the one microsoft is destroying and its the one on github.
17:03 TR News; "In a series of follow-up tweets, Dillon explained that the account would be restored in 12 hours" https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2022/03/21/the-babylon-bees-twitter-account-was-suspended-but-that-made-its-story-go-viral/ | Source: Forbes
17:03 matey; so "best" is quite useless to me
17:03 TR Bot; The Babylon Bee's Twitter Account Was Suspended, But That Made Its Story Go Viral
17:03 TR News; "We're not deleting anything. Truth is not hate speech" https://www.newsweek.com/babylon-bee-seth-dillon-twitter-ban-censorship-rachel-levine-trans-debate-1689870 | Source: Newsweek
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17:03 TR Bot; Russian street singer with anti-Putin sign in brief legal scrape in Vietnam Radio Free Asia
17:03 TR News; "revealed new financiers for Musks takeover plan, which include Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal" (friend of Bill Gates, the Epstein enabler looking to silence his exposers) https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/elon-musk-twitter-free-speech-saudi-arabia-qatar-funding | Source: Buzz Feed
17:03 TR Bot; Elon Musk Will Fund Twitter Deal With Money From Countries That Suppress Free Speech
17:04 matey; the rustification is a separate issue
17:04 matey; python is neither standard nor stable
17:04 matey; but python 3 is far more unstable than python 2
17:04 XRevan86; matey: Ironically, Python 3's approach to strings allows for more predictable results.
17:04 matey; thats what they say
17:04 XRevan86; matey: That's what I say too.
17:05 matey; youre the only one with the right, imo
17:05 bnchs; the good is how lightweight and portable cpython is
17:05 matey; as without your tip, i know what python 3 delivers in terms of predictability
17:05 bnchs; it's good how*
17:06 XRevan86; matey: Python is an unforgiving language when it comes to errors.
17:06 XRevan86; Which is usually considered to be a good thing :).
17:06 matey; yes, usually
17:06 matey; but i mean, the way youre saying that is nearly specious, and ill explain.
17:06 matey; ada is FAR more unforgiving
17:06 matey; thus far better
17:06 matey; which is true of course.
17:07 matey; for some purposes.
17:07 XRevan86; I wanted to say "go to PHP for nonstrictness", but everything new in PHP is pretty strict.
17:07 matey; when you want a satellite to work predictably
17:07 matey; you want to write the software in ada, not python
17:07 matey; far more things are written in bash, which compared to python is "anything goes"
17:07 matey; we both understand the differences and why such tradeoffs were made
17:08 matey; neither of us have to explain that to the other
17:08 matey; but my point is, such tradeoffs ARE made
17:08 matey; and i prefer python 2s strike of that balance
17:08 matey; python 3 (like php now) is more anal-retentive
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17:08 matey; but it will never be ada, it will only be a shoe that (for me) does not fit
17:08 XRevan86; matey: Yes, I'm just trying to frame this aspect of Python, that it threw an exception on you, as that Python is not making assumptions, it will fail when something wrong happens and it is unhandled.
17:09 matey; well there are times when i want to tell it to ignore exceptions
17:09 matey; and python has always had a mechanism for that
17:09 matey; but in python 3 telling it to ignore exceptions was not behaving as predictably as it was in python 2 :) because everything was more complicated
17:09 XRevan86; matey: And that's still possible.
17:09 matey; yes, but i didnt know that :)
17:10 matey; and that was after a very long time spent looking
17:10 matey; in the wrong place obviously.
17:10 matey; if i had looked in the right place, i might have found it :)
17:10 matey; thats how that works
17:10 matey; but this is only my biggest gripe solved
17:10 matey; there are others
17:10 matey; im still impressed of course
17:10 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/EwZPU1f.jpeg
17:10 matey; i mean it makes me hate python 3 a bit less
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17:11 matey; which is a biggest statement than it sounds like
17:11 TR Bot; Public cloud and technical culture | APNIC Blog
17:11 matey; bigger
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17:11 matey; all the other gripes are still there, the rustification cant be solved without forking
17:12 bnchs; fuck
17:12 bnchs; 93 mb total memory
17:12 bnchs; 2 mb free memory
17:12 matey; wtf are you running
17:12 bnchs; python 2.7.16
17:12 bnchs; gstreamer
17:13 matey; i can watch video without any cpu load (apparently) but when i switch to another virtual desktop the load goes up
17:13 matey; with mplayer (i think it uses gstreamer)
17:13 matey; thats just weird
17:13 bnchs; this is a satellite decoder
17:14 matey; hmm
17:14 bnchs; a set top-box that i can run a IRC client on
17:14 matey; cool
17:14 bnchs; also watch channels
17:14 XRevan86; mplayer doesn't use gstreamer.
17:14 XRevan86; MPlayer and MPV both use FFmpeg.
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17:16 bnchs; the cool fact about this is that the frontend is completely written in python
17:16 matey; sometimes i mix up ffmpeg and gstreamer
17:16 matey; im glad theyre not the same thing
17:16 bnchs; somehow
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17:17 matey; i have a gripe with pypy too
17:17 matey; my gripe is about availability
17:18 bnchs; and apparently has the worst way of installing packages
17:18 matey; try using pypy for everything, then dont use gnu/linux, then use less supported archs, youll see what i mean
17:18 matey; honestly im content with (even happier with) the standard packages
17:18 matey; i used to use pygame, but-- github
17:18 *psydroid2 thinks a $50 tv box can be a great computer running some free operating system
17:19 matey; im very fond of pytk, which is needed for idle
17:19 bnchs; it has support for different applications (like a youtube client and shit)
17:19 matey; /me figured out that bnchs is still talking about the set top box
17:19 bnchs; but you have to install it by ssh'ing into the fucking box
17:19 MinceR; isn't it called tkinter?
17:19 matey; mincer: yes, yes it is
17:19 bnchs; matey: yes
17:20 bnchs; tbh i don't remember how i got it
17:20 matey; tkinter is very nice. no harfbuzz, so if your glyphs are meant to combine they wont do that
17:20 matey; harfbuzz seems to be a frontend for some SIL thing
17:21 matey; but since the latter is also on github (at least its not the same author) thats not much different
17:21 matey; harfbuzz is both on github and written by a stallman canceller
17:21 XRevan86; The way I saw PyPy is that it's killer feature is JIT, i.e. performance of certain operations is higher than in CPython. But then again, Numba exists.
17:21 matey; that is the main thing pypy offers yes
17:21 MinceR; also getting rid of the GIL
17:21 matey; python 2 compatibility is a nice side effect of how its built
17:22 matey; also getting rid of the GIL <- i wasnt aware that pypy2 does that
17:22 matey; pypy even
17:22 XRevan86; MinceR: True.
17:22 matey; theres a bug in pypy, last i checked, regarding closing files
17:23 matey; open().read() should close the file, it does in cpython
17:23 matey; you can run it 100,000 times, it wont give you problems
17:23 matey; in pypy you can still use open().read() but theres a limit
17:23 bnchs; you mean the garbage collector should close it?
17:24 matey; i mean that you run out of file handles that way if you use it in a big enough loop
17:24 XRevan86; matey: Ye may have noticed that when I gave back a Python 3 aware snippet, I avoided "open().read()"
17:24 matey; unlike with cpython
17:24 MinceR; automatic reference counting should close it before the gc gets to it
17:24 MinceR; but maybe pypy doesn't have that
17:24 matey; I avoided "open().read()" <- at any rate you have to in pypy
17:25 matey; but you dont have to in cpython, because it closes the file properly (as pypy should)
17:25 matey; but since pypy doesnt, when i moved from python to pypy i changed my program to use open() ; file.read() instead
17:25 matey; this way close() can be used
17:26 matey; i havent tried open().read().close() maybe i should :)
17:26 matey; i bet it wont work of course
17:26 XRevan86; matey: What would it close?
17:26 matey; the thing it leaves open!
17:26 matey; that it shoudlnt leave open
17:26 XRevan86; The output of read()
17:26 matey; i know
17:27 XRevan86; It can't be chained.
17:27 matey; i wouldnt think so
17:27 matey; but they already broke it, maybe they fixed it in some stupid way
17:27 matey; i think its unlikely.
17:27 bnchs; put the result of open() to a variable
17:27 matey; ive done that
17:27 bnchs; then read from the variable and close it
17:27 XRevan86; The official way to use open() without using close() is to use with
17:27 matey; with is cool
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17:28 matey; but the official way changes all the time
17:28 matey; i mean not in this example
17:28 XRevan86; matey: "but you dont have to in cpython, because it closes the file properly (as pypy should)" <- I really don't think that's reliable.
17:28 matey; broadly speaking, python is like a teenager, constantly reinventing itself and trying to impress people
17:28 XRevan86; matey: All the time, yea (exists since Python 2.5)
17:28 matey; <- I really don't think that's reliable. <- ive used it since 2009
17:29 matey; at any rate, switching to pypy forced me to do it the way you recommend
17:29 matey; its not a big deal, but in cpython i (really) didnt have to do that
17:29 XRevan86; matey: But ye really should.
17:30 matey; and if i always did what i should, life would be a lot more complicated (and sometimes ridiculously so)
17:30 psydroid2; "Esfahbod was arrested by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps intelligence echelon during a 2020 visit to Tehran. He was then moved to Evin prison, where he was psychologically pressured and interrogated in solitary confinement for 7 days. They downloaded all his private data from his devices. Iranian security forces let him go based on his promise to spy on his friends once he was back in the United States."
17:30 matey; i mean, if i all i wanted to do was write python "the way you should" id just move to another language thats more stable
17:30 XRevan86; Isn't that half of programming? Using the programming language properly?
17:30 psydroid2; not someone you want to be friends with
17:30 matey; not at the point at which it becomes a fallacy, no
17:31 matey; it ultimately turns into "no true python" and honestly, fuck that
17:31 matey; its a game
17:31 bnchs; psydroid2, when you hear "intelligence"
17:31 XRevan86; matey: "Should" as in "it may break otherwise because even the developers of the language don't trust that"
17:31 bnchs; it's always gonna end badly
17:31 bnchs; waterboarding
17:31 matey; developers come and go
17:31 bnchs; torture
17:31 matey; not everything they do is better
17:31 matey; when they make a change i dont think is better, i use what works that i prefer.
17:31 matey; and if they try to break it FURTHER specifically to stop me from doing that
17:32 matey; NOT for the reasons they say
17:32 matey; thats the sort of uppity industry bullshit up with which i do not put.
17:32 matey; to paraphrase (alleged) churchhill
17:32 matey; i mean it really does become like a grammatical pissing match, and that point im out.
17:32 XRevan86; matey: It was literally always this way.
17:32 matey; i literally never had an issue with it until i switched to pypy.
17:33 matey; not even once.
17:33 matey; not even on tens of thousands of files
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17:33 XRevan86; The only (very relatively) new thing is that a "with" operator was introduced, which allows implicit close()
17:33 matey; ive got a widget that monitors memory leaks and everything. i care.
17:33 matey; when i design something that breaks, i try to fix it.
17:33 matey; when it doesnt break...
17:34 matey; theres an aphorism not used nearly often enough, that i dont think developers understand fully:
17:34 matey; "dont fix it if its not broken"
17:34 matey; im looking at the python developers
17:34 matey; but
17:34 matey; fixing broken things is okay (thats why i fixed the code to work in pypy)
17:35 XRevan86; matey: Sometimes fixing one thing breaks another.
17:35 matey; i think its dangerous to put so much faith in developers that we assume everything they do is for a good reason
17:35 matey; matey: Sometimes fixing one thing breaks another. <- not in tech
17:35 matey; in tech, fixing one thing breaks 10 or more things.
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17:36 matey; which is why i dont fix anything without considering the next 7 generations :)
17:36 matey; that and sheer laziness
17:36 matey; i chose methods for their ease and convenience, not only correctness
17:36 matey; because correctness dovetails with fashion, and (to SOME degree) is arbitrary.
17:37 XRevan86; matey: One day relying on an unreliable mechanism in CPython may bite your arse.
17:37 matey; when its actually reasonable, im pro-correctness
17:37 matey; when its necessary, thats one thing.
17:37 matey; correctness for correctnesses sake is bullshit though
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17:37 XRevan86; And there are reliable deterministic ways of doing things.
17:37 matey; One day relying on an unreliable mechanism in CPython may bite your arse. <- its happened once or twice
17:38 matey; And there are reliable deterministic ways of doing things. <- i find your abundance of faith disturbing
17:38 matey; youre saying things that can only be wrong if you overdo them
17:38 XRevan86; matey: open() close() is (almost) deterministic. "with" is deterministic.
17:38 matey; and im only arguing against overdoing them.
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17:38 MinceR; just use context managers (with)
17:39 matey; matey: open() close() is (almost) deterministic. <- i mean, like i said, from 2009 to quite recently, it never gave me a problem even once
17:39 XRevan86; I'm arguing that one shouldn't write bad code.
17:39 matey; define bad code.
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17:39 matey; youre overgeneralising in the name of formality
17:39 XRevan86; matey: In this case, code that may break under certain conditions, and expectedly so.
17:39 matey; its not a contradiction, until it is
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17:39 matey; and expectedly so. <- prove it?
17:40 matey; if its not breaking, and working as intended as for years at a time, i think there are other things worth focusing on tbh
17:40 matey; theres always some improvement that can be made
17:40 XRevan86; matey: It may just mountain up.
17:40 matey; maybe
17:41 matey; i like to keep it simple
17:41 XRevan86; Little needless shortcuts with bad handling of edge-cases.
17:41 MinceR; https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/04/27/the-place-of-fire
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17:41 matey; youre treating something very broad as a given, and from a standpoint of logic i think you shouldnt
17:41 matey; its prejudice (in the logical sense)
17:42 matey; industry solves problems sometimes. weve seen it make up problems that dont exist so it can fix those too
17:42 matey; i have no tolerance for that
17:42 matey; but im told i should be afraid
17:42 matey; i think we should fix real problems, and worry less about ones that are made up
17:43 matey; but again-- youre not saying anything untrue, depending on the scope of what youre saying.
17:43 matey; its simply a matter of scope
17:43 matey; if we expand the scope of what youre saying to a hard rule, it think its lily-gilding and micromanagement, with all the advantages of both.
17:44 matey; oh python "fixed" something. better go redo 1,200 already working programs.
17:44 matey; fuck that really
17:44 MinceR; older languages are more stable
17:44 XRevan86; matey: Ye're conflating issues as well.
17:44 matey; not intentionally, but probably.
17:44 XRevan86; matey: This problem was in Python since day 1.
17:45 XRevan86; matey: What was open()'d should be manually close()'d.
17:45 matey; i think you miss the fact that 1. i was never aware of it 2. it never affected me until i switched to pypy
17:45 matey; and 3. i fixed it when i discovered it
17:45 matey; but the most important is #2.
17:45 matey; basically from 2009 to 2020 it was a non-issue in my life
17:46 matey; i know there are things like y2k where we should have known better
17:46 matey; but worrying about everything wont eliminated that category of flaw
17:46 matey; sometimes you just have to fix things when they become a real problem
17:46 matey; its nice when you can fix them ahead of time. when you know about the issue.
17:47 matey; and when its a real issue.
17:47 matey; but if i did everything the way i "should" then python would become too tedious to bother with.
17:47 matey; id rather write code that works, than write code thats twice as bothersome to create because it SHOULD work.
17:48 matey; and i really dont like the direction python is headed in, at alll
17:48 matey; i have no desire to use it that way
17:48 XRevan86; matey: I really hope ye never *write* data with open and only read it.
17:48 matey; matey: I really hope ye never *write* data with open and only read it. <- well no
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17:48 matey; ive always used close after writing.
17:48 matey; since before i even used python.
17:48 matey; sure, the files close when the program ends
17:49 matey; but i dont like leaving file handles dangling or failing to keep track of whats open, do i?
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17:52 XRevan86; matey: Why so much trust in the GC then?
17:54 matey; because thats what gc is for
17:54 matey; funnily enough, when i was trying to learn more about this
17:54 matey; i found an article that PERFECTLY explains my position on this
17:54 matey; https://lerner.co.il/2015/01/18/dont-use-python-close-files-answer-depends/
17:54 TR Bot; If you don't use "with", when does Python close files? The answer is: It depends. Reuven Lerner
17:55 matey; in fact every shortcut i take (and i only take so many) is explained here.
17:55 matey; its not arbitrary, im not against doing things correctly in most instances
17:57 matey; it not only explains WHEN i make exceptions to the rules
17:57 matey; but WHY
17:58 matey; (apart from laziness which is a factor to be sure)
17:58 matey; mostly im not lazy when its really better not to be
17:58 matey; as a bonus its about the same example (though for me this is a sometimes-rule)
18:01 matey; I ask this, because I have taught Python to many people over the years, and am convinced that trying to teach with and/or context managers, while also trying to teach many other topics, is more than students can absorb. While I touch on with in my introductory classes, I normally tell them that at this point in their careers, its fine to let Python close files, either when the reference count to the file object drops to zero, or when Pyth
18:03 matey; the next step after learning how to code is doing it better and considering more edge cases
18:04 matey; people who try to teach coding "properly" at the same time lose more people, who barely make it through or dont at all
18:04 matey; coding properly should be introduced of course
18:05 matey; but its a lifelong discipline and neednt (likely shouldnt, as it interferes with the primary goal) be introduced at exactly the same time / rate as coding itself
18:05 matey; when people learn how to draw, write, do most things, they dont start with all the formality
18:06 matey; they start with crayons more often than oil on canvas, because mistakes are cheap learning experiences
18:06 matey; if you rely on formality, people will do things and not question them
18:06 matey; if you let people make mistakes, they might learn MORE
18:07 matey; and understand more intimately
18:07 matey; thats bad for a mission critical system though its good for creating inquisitive, intuitive people
18:08 matey; either way, if you show people the right way first, its no guarantee theyre more likely to learn the right way at all
18:08 matey; you show them that coding is ridiculously complicated-- which it isnt always
18:09 matey; we could just start everyone on ada, then after that tell them that for some applications, even shit like javascript suffinces
18:09 matey; instead we always teach compromises
18:10 matey; tradeoffs, imperfection
18:11 matey; theres not enough simplicity in the world for me to believe we are placing enough emphasis on it when we teach
18:11 matey; but either way things will get complex when they have to
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18:15 matey; preventative medicine, like everything else, is subject to the law of diminishing returns
18:15 matey; and being informal is fun
18:18 matey; maybe 50% of the time i write something, its like the command line
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18:18 matey; im not even saving it
18:18 matey; im just writing it and running it
18:18 matey; and it does the job and its done
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18:19 matey; if i complicated that, it would be for nothing
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18:21 bnchs; mem....
18:21 bnchs; memz
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18:30 bnchs; dump foreign PCs
18:30 bnchs; they're BAD
18:30 bnchs; lets use our poorly-written software
18:31 bnchs; with bad english
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18:39 psydroid2; how does this guy keep jobs bouncing from company to company?
18:40 psydroid2; always on his Mac
18:40 matey; #techrights : 05/07/22 17:30 <bnchs> lets use our poorly-written software
18:40 matey; #techrights : 05/07/22 17:31 <bnchs> with bad english
18:40 psydroid2; oh right, he's a manager
18:41 matey; if ot works well, sure
18:41 bnchs; i just heard the ping sound play twice at the same time
18:41 matey; /me figures bnchs is talking about something else again
18:41 bnchs; now 3 times
18:41 matey; pulseaudio?
18:42 TR News; "The project is released under The GNU General Public License v3.0 only" https://medevel.com/energize/
18:42 TR Bot; Track your nutrition with this amazing free Android app: Energize
18:42 bnchs; nah the sound it plays when someone mentions me
18:42 matey; oops
18:42 bnchs; it's nothing
18:42 matey; :)
18:42 TR News; "VTENEXT is released and distributed under the GNU AFFERO GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 3.0." https://medevel.com/vtenext/
18:42 TR Bot; VTENEXT is the Open Source CRM and BPM solution
18:43 TR News; Missing the classic Opera browser? Try Otter Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164574
18:43 TR Bot; Missing the classic Opera browser? Try Otter | Tux Machines
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18:45 SomeH4x0r; it is not classic Opera. Classic Opera source code is being leaked.
18:46 SomeH4x0r; Classic Opera is iirc Opera before version 12.18 or something around this.
18:46 TR News; #42 Numerous Emojis - This Week in GNOME Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164575
18:46 TR Bot; #42 Numerous Emojis - This Week in GNOME | Tux Machines
18:46 SomeH4x0r; Otter does not have own engine afaik, it is either QtWebKit, or Blink. It is once again not the classic Opera.
18:47 activelow; don't want to use a web browser outside tty context ever again... which leaves w3m, links, lynx and similar
18:51 TR News; "Principal Community Manager"... LOL. Slaveowner? https://opensource.com/article/22/5/open-practice-library-lean-coffee
18:51 TR Bot; community engagement by serving up Lean Coffee | Opensource.com
18:52 TR News; "AWS didnt listen but, not for the first time, my opinion didnt seem to matter. (Thats a polite way of saying maybe I was wrong.)" He seems to have left Amazon. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/your-open-source-project-definitely-should-not-next-kubernetes/
18:52 TR Bot; your open-source project definitely should not be the next Kubernetes | TechRepublic
18:54 TR News; System76 Scheduler seeks to improve and optimize the execution of games and applications - LinuxStoney https://linuxstoney.com/system76-scheduler-seeks-to-improve-and-optimize-the-execution-of-games-and-applications/ Source: linuxstoney
18:54 matey; stallman made concessions to open source at lieplanet 2022 ii
18:54 TR Bot; Scheduler seeks to improve and optimize the execution of games and applications - LinuxStoney
18:54 matey; that was beaten out of him, like a signed confession
18:55 matey; they were small, explicit and seemed uncontroversial
18:55 matey; if you ignore years of context at least
18:55 TR News; Bottles developers join the GNOME Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164573#comment-33570
18:55 TR Bot; Wine development release 7.8 is now available. | Tux Machines
18:55 matey; this is his purpose now, to undo his own worl
18:56 matey; work
18:56 matey; linus merges shit into the kernel
18:56 matey; stallman merges shit into the fsf
18:57 matey; thats what they were beaten into. only linus has already sacrificed his integrity, just not enough to please everyone
18:57 TR News; AVMultiPhone is a peculiar MATE-on-phone desktop spin Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164576
18:57 TR Bot; AVMultiPhone is a peculiar MATE-on-phone desktop spin | Tux Machines
18:57 activelow; i don't agree with blaming lt and rms
18:57 matey; hes really nothing like stallman at all
18:57 matey; the real one wouldnt stand for this
18:58 matey; this happens to prisoners of war
18:58 TR News; "A week ago I attended Linux App Summit (LAS) 2022 in Rovereto, Italy. It was great to finally travel and meet people again, after more than two years. At the same time it would be naive to think the pandemic is over" https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2022/05/07/las-2022-recap.html
18:58 TR Bot; Linux App Summit 2022
18:58 matey; stallman is a hostage
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18:58 matey; the people holding him and beating him (metaphorically) are scum
18:58 matey; horrible people
18:59 matey; that he thanks.
18:59 matey; because he has to
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 70.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 449.58
19:00 matey; "thank you for co-opting my movement and selling users back to monopolies"
19:00 activelow; lt and rms represent an era of hacking which is long gone almost entirely
19:00 matey; "at least your code is under a free license"
19:00 TR News; Latest Linux Kernel Not Working Right? So you can go back Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164577
19:00 TR Bot; Latest Linux Kernel Not Working Right? So you can go back | Tux Machines
19:00 matey; thats not gratitude, its submission
19:00 matey; stallman is subjugated
19:01 matey; lieplanet is a celebration of doublespeak and sleaze
19:02 TR News; Imposing Microsoft junk on Gemini protocol? gemini://gemini.marmaladefoo.com/blog/
19:02 matey; and conquest in freedoms clothing
19:02 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22042981
19:02 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/976x549_b/p0299z24.jpg created on 2022-04-29 23:43:17.050035
19:02 matey; might as well call it the u.s.s.f
19:03 MinceR; GWF -- Gratis Windows Foundation
19:03 matey; united stolen source foundation
19:03 TR News; Khadas VIM4 Review - Part 2: Android 11 preview and benchmarks Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164578
19:03 TR Bot; Khadas VIM4 Review - Part 2: Android 11 preview and benchmarks | Tux Machines
19:03 MinceR; doesn't need to be free (see systemd)
19:03 MinceR; and doesn't need to do anything beyond copying the design flaws in windows (again, see systemd)
19:03 MinceR; but hey, at least it's still a foundation
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19:04 matey; most people consider a cracked foundation useless
19:04 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yk8AAHPZpY
19:04 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=8yk8AAHPZpY
19:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz, ^
19:04 TR Bot; timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=8yk8AAHPZpY )
19:04 matey; and in dire need of repair or replacement
19:04 matey; but lieplanet has a few cans of paint that might do the trick
19:05 matey; also their uncle owns a paint company, but thats just lucky
19:07 matey; uncle wingos paint, seed and feed
19:07 matey; formerly owned by charles u. farley
19:07 TR News; MongoDB: Mac Asay and "Principal Community Manager" Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164579
19:07 TR Bot; MongoDB: Mac Asay and "Principal Community Manager" | Tux Machines
19:09 TR News; Games: Steam and Schedular (Re)Work Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164580
19:09 TR Bot; Games: Steam and Schedular (Re)Work | Tux Machines
19:10 matey; " I do not have a preferred GNU/Linux distro. I recommend all the ethical distros namely, those that are 100% free software.
19:10 matey; "I've chosen not to have any preferences among those ethical distros. But I am not in a position to judge them on other criteria: even to try them all would be a lot work that I have no need to do."
19:10 matey; for a man of logic, the leap should be obvious
19:10 TR News; Free Software: Sandstorm, VTENEXT, and Energize Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164581
19:10 TR Bot; Free Software: Sandstorm, VTENEXT, and Energize | Tux Machines
19:10 DaemonFC; That's one reason why I just kept the Impala around for a while as they fix the rust on the Buick.
19:11 DaemonFC; I didn't want to rent a car when these companies turn their paying customers over to the police for car theft when they've paid for the rental period and returned the car to the rental company.
19:11 matey; first rust in the kernel, now on the buick too
19:11 DaemonFC; There's really no downside to Hertz because it's some customer who goes to jail and gets to sort out felony charges.
19:12 MinceR; i wonder if there even is a 100% free distro
19:12 MinceR; the GWF has taken to pushing systemd/Linux distros as if they were free, even though they aren't
19:12 matey; mincer: sure, just change the freedom constant of the universe so it fits the shit we have now
19:12 MinceR; :>
19:12 MinceR; might as well just buy windows or macOS then
19:12 matey; i call it q/linux
19:12 DaemonFC; MinceR, Well, one of Red Hat's lawyers was talking about a package that made it into a bunch of FSF-sponsored distributions that had the copyright license stripped and replaced with one claiming to be the public domain.
19:12 DaemonFC; afio, I think it was.
19:13 TR News; China intends to transfer state institutions and state-owned enterprises to Linux and PCs of local manufacturers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571
19:13 TR Bot; China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs | Tux Machines
19:13 DaemonFC; Some consultant wrote it back in the 80s and it was placed under a non-Free license, and then someone put it on sourceforge in the early 2000s with a "new license" and they didn't actually have the rights to do that.
19:13 matey; fsdg compliance isnt a bill of health
19:13 DaemonFC; But Debian snapped it up.
19:13 matey; its a committment to remove non-free software
19:14 DaemonFC; And that meant that any distro that based on Debian likely brought it in while they were importing Debian's software repository.
19:14 DaemonFC; Nobody even knows who has the copyright now.
19:14 matey; lwn.net/Articles/312262/
19:14 matey; In the US, that means the copyright term is "120 years after creation or 95 years after publication, whichever endpoint is earlier." So, again, barring a likely copyright extension, the afio code will pass into the public domain in 2080. Not as bad as 2145, but I really hope our future ape overlords don't need afio in 2080.
19:15 matey; > Actually, this blog entry is kinda a salute to their progress. There was a time when we'd be debating the presence of Adobe Flash, but now we're down to little old obscure replaceable programs like 'afio'.
19:15 DaemonFC; Tom Calloway tried to figure it out by contacting HP and Eastman Kodak Company, which may have ended up with the copyright to afio when they bought the consulting firm and then traded it around, but nobody working at either company knew if they owned afio or cared to investigate whether they did or not.
19:16 matey; If you look on debian, even a version for texlive says that it was (at least somewhat) brought into the requirements dictated by DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines) : 2007.dfsg.1-4.
19:16 matey; DFSG suffix says that vanilla upstream got some parts stripped out to comply with DFSG.
19:16 DaemonFC; Fedora actually does investigate whether it's legal or not to ship a package.
19:16 DaemonFC; So it is easier to base a fully Free distribution on Fedora and know if you're in compliance with the law.
19:17 matey; except for removing systemd
19:17 DaemonFC; Further, since Fedora doesn't put the binary firmwares in a million different packages, you could just delete the proprietary firmwares if you wanted to and then repackage whatever you want to keep downstream without creating a huge mess.
19:17 MinceR; Trash has effectively wormed its way into our web "standards"
19:17 MinceR; they call it HTML5 now
19:17 matey; rofl
19:17 matey; all the more reason to switch to gemini
19:17 MinceR; it comes with support for DRM and usually also with a nonfree blob from cisco
19:17 MinceR; yet there's no debate about that
19:17 matey; because the fsf is fake
19:17 TR News; Intel wants to fix sleep malfunction on Linux laptops https://linuxstoney.com/intel-wants-to-fix-sleep-malfunction-on-linux-laptops/
19:17 TR Bot; wants to fix sleep malfunction on Linux laptops - LinuxStoney
19:18 MinceR; yeah
19:18 matey; literally dead
19:18 DaemonFC; You could remove systemd from Fedora like Devuan did if you wanted to make a fork.
19:18 matey; the whole thing about doublespeak is
19:18 matey; you say the right things
19:18 matey; you dont mean them.
19:18 MinceR; but hey, at least it doesn't perform like adobe "developers" coded it anymore
19:18 MinceR; it can do more than 10 fps in a thumbnail without antialiasing, somehow
19:18 DaemonFC; You don't have to blindly copy the entire package repository of Fedora.
19:18 matey; You could remove systemd from Fedora like Devuan did <- ive already spent many years jerking off (like devuan did)
19:19 DaemonFC; You could even do what that one distribution did and drop GTK and GNOME entirely.
19:19 activelow; systemd+dbus+udev.... good luck
19:19 DaemonFC; They had self-contained packages for popular GTK applications in case you did want to run one.
19:19 matey; and i dont know anything about them removing systemd from fedora, unless you (understandably) are referring to debian as "fedora"
19:19 DaemonFC; But today, you could purge everything GTK from your distribution and tell people to use Flatpak if they wanted any of that.
19:19 matey; <MinceR> it can do more than 10 fps in a thumbnail without antialiasing, somehow <- 8 bit colour on the framebuffer
19:19 DaemonFC; In fact, it usually works out BETTER to install GTK apps from Flatpak if you use KDE.
19:20 matey; and with sixels you get over 9000 fps
19:20 TR News; Small-Scale Fab: Make Parts with Free/Open Source Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164582
19:20 TR Bot; Small-Scale Fab: Make Parts with Free/Open Source Software | Tux Machines
19:20 MinceR; the quake engine already did more
19:20 MinceR; on the whole screen
19:20 matey; thats fast enough for nasa to render the space shuttle in 8 bits
19:20 MinceR; but that's because it wasn't coded by adobe
19:21 DaemonFC; With Flatpak you know the application will have everything it needs in order to run and the packager usually figures you might be running it on KDE and checks the environment and applies the correct UI settings.
19:21 matey; With Flatpak you know the application will have everything it needs <- similar to the internet
19:21 matey; with flatpak i get the warm feeling of... thinking about ibm shoving jews into ovens
19:21 DaemonFC; Well, with traditional packages they just kind of take a shit all over your preferred desktop environment.
19:21 MinceR; "similar to bearblasting"
19:21 matey; maybe warm isnt the right word
19:21 matey; hot, very hot
19:22 bnchs; matey: why use sixels
19:22 matey; because sixels are bigger than jesus
19:22 bnchs; pity the guy who has to overload the terminal's STDOUT with characters
19:22 bnchs; just because it was a 4K stream
19:22 matey; well i use characters for graphics
19:23 matey; but i just use blocks or even # and then make the font 1 or 2px in size :)
19:23 matey; as a cheap workaround for pygame selling out
19:23 bnchs; matey: there's a VO for mpv
19:23 matey; mpv no, mplayer maybe.
19:23 bnchs; that prints the video stream as characters to terminal
19:23 matey; i dont do mpv
19:23 DaemonFC; I signed up for a new credit card because of all of these big expenses this month.
19:23 matey; oh you mean libcaca
19:23 matey; yes mplayer has that too
19:23 activelow; sixels aren't designed for realtime streaming
19:23 DaemonFC; It gives me $400 if I put $2,000 through the card in the first 90 days.
19:24 DaemonFC; So that'll be easy.
19:24 DaemonFC; Then 2% cash back on everything in perpetuity.
19:24 matey; but when i had the framebuffer i just played video on that
19:24 bnchs; matey: play a video with mpv with --vo=tct
19:24 DaemonFC; Plus, if I pay my phone bill with that card, it covers the full replacement cost of any phone on that phone bill.
19:24 matey; again, mplayer, not mpv
19:24 bnchs; m p v
19:24 DaemonFC; Or the cost to repair. Whichever is less.
19:25 matey; https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv
19:25 TR Bot; - mpv-player/mpv: Command line video player
19:25 matey; i wont use mpv
19:25 bnchs; just use mplayer
19:25 matey; i do :)
19:25 bnchs; with --vo=tct
19:26 matey; mplayer -vo help | tr "\n" " "
19:26 matey; Available video output drivers: xv X11/Xv gl_nosw OpenGL no software rendering x11 X11 ( XImage/Shm ) xover General X11 driver for overlay capable video output drivers sdl SDL YUV/RGB/BGR renderer (SDL v1.1.7+ only!) gl
19:26 matey; OpenGL gl_tiled X11 (OpenGL) - multiple textures version dga DGA ( Direct Graphic Access V2.0 ) matrixview MatrixView (OpenGL) null Null video output mpegpes MPEG-PES file yuv4mpeg yuv4mpeg output for mjpegtools png PNG file jpeg JPEG file gif89a animated GIF output tga Targa output pnm PPM/PGM/PGMYUV file md5sum md5sum of each frame mng MNG file
19:26 matey; mplayer -vo help | grep tct | wc 0 0 0
19:27 bnchs; then it's probably a mpv thing
19:27 bnchs; the point is it draws each pixel as an ANSI escape code
19:27 matey; theres way to do that too
19:27 matey; its just not tct
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19:49 TR News; Edinburgh zoo welcomes two new endangered penguins https://planetradio.co.uk/clyde/local/news/edinburgh-zoo-penguins/ Endangered? Then we'll put you in prison to protect you...
19:49 TR Bot; Edinburgh zoo welcomes two new endangered penguins
19:51 TR News; Super Predator Megaraptor - Largest known dinosaur fossil from the raptor family found in Argentina https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/super-predator-megaraptor-largest-known-dinosaur-fossil-from-the-raptor-family-found-in-argentina-article-91187161
19:51 TR Bot; Super Predator Megaraptor - Largest known dinosaur fossil from the raptor family found in Argentina
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19:58 *psydroid2 is calling the FSF the Super Predator Megaraptor Foundation from now on
20:00 matey; /s/Super//
20:00 matey; im partial to bsf
20:00 matey; but no matter what we call it
20:00 matey; it still sucks
20:08 MinceR; lol
20:10 matey; and organisation turned against itself, its cause and the people it stood for
20:10 matey; now it corrupts, makes excuses and lies to people
20:11 matey; and exploits its own founder for show
20:12 matey; <ross from friends> could it BE any more open source?
20:12 TR News; Fictional market, fictional valuations. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/thai-stock-market-may-extend-its-losses-on-tuesday
20:12 matey; /me tries chandler instead
20:13 matey; ross is annoying, but better him than josh simmons
20:13 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/cc8zmSs.jpeg
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20:15 TR News; Fictional nonsense https://musically.com/2022/05/05/father-of-the-ipod-tony-fadell-f-the-metaverse/
20:16 TR News; "2022 Corporate Citizenship Awards"??? WTF is THAT? https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2022/05/01/corporate-citizenship-awards-a-t-t.html
20:17 TR News; "As a rep from Raspberry Pi Foundation explains, "Coding is one aspect of digital making. When you write code, you are writing instructions for a computer to follow."" https://www.womansday.com/life/entertainment/g39590570/best-coding-websites-games-for-kids/
20:18 TR News; Proprietary not sustainable https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/04/27/macos-server-adieu
20:19 matey; josh simmons: stallman is a bigot!
20:20 matey; also josh simmons: anyone who doesnt like me is a bigot!
20:20 bnchs; how everyone i hate is a nazi
20:20 matey; by an ibm supporter who loves irony
20:20 TR News; These people in SCOTUS think they work for Jesus https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3460420-supreme-court-revisits-prayer-in-school-in-football-coach-case/
20:21 psydroid2; gene simmons: I can't stop loving you!
20:21 matey; also gene simmons: respect our intellectual property!
20:22 matey; /me prefers ace frehley, hes less of a dipshit
20:22 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164583
20:22 matey; dont get me wrong, gene simmons is cool looking
20:22 matey; hes just a dipshit
20:23 matey; i cant say anything bad (that i know of) about ace, hes amazing
20:24 matey; same with axl and slash
20:25 matey; axl: dipshit
20:25 matey; slash: awesome
20:25 matey; same with paul and g-- nah, i like paul
20:25 matey; if hes a dipshit hes an endearing dipshit
20:26 matey; hes got a birthday in about a month, dont know which one though
20:29 TR News; Wikipedia doesn't want your crypto donations anymore https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/wikimedia-stops-crypto-donations
20:31 SomeH4x0r; it is too big for my money
20:31 SomeH4x0r; I dislike big projects
20:33 TR News; Distracting from what actually matter? https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2022/05/why-the-dobbs-leak-is-dangerous
20:34 TR News; RISC-V edges closer to reality: Alibaba close to porting Android to RISC-V Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164584
20:35 TR News; No fakecoin, thank you... https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/05/26922495/wikipedia-will-stop-accepting-bitcoin-ethereum-after-community-approves-proposal-decrying-digital-as
20:36 TR News; Turing Distinguished Leader Series: Ashu Garg, General Partner, Foundation Capital https://readwrite.com/engineering-leaders-discuss-how-to-build-a-unicorn/
20:37 TR News; BS acronym https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-python-jobs-developers-should-apply-for-in-faang-companies/
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20:37 TR News; Proprietary scam https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/intuit-turbotax-settlement
20:38 TR News; Pretending that anything Microsoft does not control simply does not exist https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-trending-open-source-python-projects-on-github/
20:39 TR News; Steam Deck unboxing and hands-on initial impressions [VIDEO] https://chromeunboxed.com/steam-deck-unboxing-hands-on-initial-impressions/ Source: chromeunboxed
20:41 TR News; "Avoid Malwarebytes and the others. Let macOS do its job." What job? Lockdown and spying? https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/hit-by-dylib-hijack-virus.2343513/
20:42 TR News; "modernization" as a buzzword Git for Mainframe: Back to the Future
20:42 TR News; But the prices go up, so that's masking the underlying problem https://www.wptv.com/news/state/gas-diapers-essential-items-will-be-tax-free-in-florida
20:44 psydroid2; bundling subpar software with overpriced hardware is a win, but for whom?
20:45 TR News; GNU's GIMP https://roboticsandautomationnews.com/2022/05/07/10-professional-level-web-design-tools-to-get-the-ideal-website/50814/
20:46 matey; ultimately, both
20:46 matey; but certainly not all
20:47 TR News; AlmaLinux Now Available on Oracle Cloud http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164521#comment-33572
20:48 TR News; Android starts playing Nintendo Switch games https://theinformant.co.nz/android-starts-playing-nintendo-switch-games/ Source: theinformant
20:49 TR News; After US let a million old Americans die with COVID... https://www.aarp.org/caregiving/home-care/info-2022/fixing-long-term-care.html?intcmp=AE-HP-TTN-R2-POS3-REALPOSS-TODAY
20:49 TR News; Surge??? After lockdown? How many are full time? How many have pensions? Corporate media, controlled by the profiteers. https://wraltechwire.com/2022/05/02/help-wanted-ads-dominate-in-triangle-jobs-openings-surge-since-jan/
20:50 TR News; Pyramid schemes are a problem https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/california-newsom-crypto-regulations
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20:55 TR News; China's answer to GAFAM https://www.huaweicentral.com/huawei-launches-digital-bus-project-to-level-up-education-sector-in-thailand/
20:55 TR News; What are the Best Automated Penetration Testing Tools in 2022? - TechStory https://techstory.in/what-are-the-best-automated-penetration-testing-tools-in-2022/ Source: techstory
20:58 TR News; "SingCERT's Security Bulletin summarises the list of vulnerabilities collated from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)'s National Vulnerability Database (NVD) in the past week." https://www.csa.gov.sg/en/singcert/Alerts/sb-2022-018
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.93 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 429.25
21:00 TR News; "Big Tech and the corporate media are ushering in an ominous era of intense censorship over Ukraine." https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/28/online-censorship-of-ukraine-dissent-is-becoming-the-new-norm/
21:00 TR News; Big ISPs just gave up on blocking net neutrality law in CA https://www.fastcompany.com/90749582/big-isps-finally-gave-up-on-blocking-californias-landmark-network-neutrality-law Source: fastcompany
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21:11 schestowitz; Liverpool
21:11 schestowitz;
21:11 schestowitz; Tottenham Hotspur
21:11 schestowitz; 1
21:11 schestowitz; :-D
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21:13 TR News; 25+ Vulnerable websites to practice your ethical hacking skills https://thecyphere.com/blog/vulnerable-websites/
21:13 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://thecyphere.com/blog/vulnerable-websites/ )
21:15 TR News; Mislseading. Android does not have just one OEM or a monopoly. https://www.thurrott.com/hardware/266633/apple-leads-worldwide-pc-and-tablet-shipments-in-q1-2022
21:15 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/hardware/266633/apple-leads-worldwide-pc-and-tablet-shipments-in-q1-2022 )
21:15 TR News; Microsoft can coexist with Apple but not with GNU/Linux. There are several reasons for this. WSL has failed, for 5 years, to "swallow" the threat.
21:16 TR News; Indigenous language key piece in provinces education overhaul https://www.wellandtribune.ca/ts/news/canada/2022/05/04/indigenous-language-key-piece-in-provinces-education-overhaul.html
21:16 TR Bot; language key piece in provinces education overhaul | wellandtribune.ca
21:17 TR News; "Australian researchers are developing a 3D printed bracelet to allow people living with hand-impairment to easily use computers and play video games." https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/unpublished/sensor-bracelet-designed-to-give-back-control-to-hand-impaired.html
21:17 TR Bot; Sensor bracelet designed to give back control to hand-impaired - The University of Sydney
21:18 TR News; VESA https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vesa-launches-industrys-first-open-standard-and-logo-program-for-pc-monitor-and-laptop-display-variable-refresh-rate-performance-for-gaming-and-media-playback-301536830.html
21:18 TR Bot; VESA Launches Industry's First Open Standard and Logo Program for PC Monitor and Laptop Display Variable Refresh Rate Performance for Gaming and Media Playback
21:18 TR News; Making security a gender issue? https://www.wfmz.com/news/pr_newswire/pr_newswire_technology/women-in-cybersecurity-wicys-looking-for-pilot-program-proposals-from-community-colleges-for-cyber-fasttrack/article_65f52a4d-54d1-5cac-b539-a4e17ef05c34.html
21:18 TR Bot; in CyberSecurity (WiCyS) looking for pilot program proposals from community colleges for Cyber FastTrack | News | wfmz.com
21:19 TR News; Proprietary https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/05/03/2434468/0/en/CloudCasa-by-Catalogic-to-Feature-Cyber-Resilient-Kubernetes-Backups-at-KubeCon-CloudNativeCon-Europe-2022.html
21:19 TR Bot; CloudCasa by Catalogic to Feature Cyber-Resilient
21:21 TR News; This means more surveillance and likely LESS security too. It's about MORE control... by Microsoft https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/github-open-source-software-security
21:21 TR Bot; aims to boost the security of open source software - Protocol
21:26 TR News; "industrys highest quality RISC-V processor IP." [sic] https://www.design-reuse.com/news/51862/codasip-siemens-onespin-formal-verification.html
21:26 TR Bot; Codasip adopts Siemens' OneSpin tools for formal verification
21:27 TR News; They hare women who seek abortion. So why not shun those who are pregnant too? https://uk.style.yahoo.com/katrina-scott-pregnant-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-175719435.html
21:27 TR Bot; Katrina Scott makes history as the 1st visibly pregnant woman in Sports Illustrated Swimsuit'
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21:29 TR News; Zero-day bug in uClibc library could leave IoT devices http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164482#comment-33574
21:29 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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21:35 TR News; Rock Pi 4 Model C+ is more of a minus (less powerful than the Model C, but also cheaper) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164585
21:35 TR Bot; Rock Pi 4 Model C+ is more of a minus (less powerful than the Model C, but also cheaper) | Tux Machines
21:35 TR News; Panasas Debuts New Products, Continues Software Focus https://www.enterpriseai.news/2022/05/05/panasas-debuts-new-products-continues-software-focus/ Source: enterpriseai
21:35 TR Bot; Panasas Debuts New Products, Continues Software Focus
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21:40 TR News; Leader adds PBX hardware vendor Call4tel Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164586 Debian preloaded
21:40 TR Bot; Leader adds PBX hardware vendor Call4tel | Tux Machines
21:40 TR News; Software Heritage: the software Library of Alexandria - Hello Future Orange https://hellofuture.orange.com/en/software-heritage-the-software-library-of-alexandria/ Source: hellofuture
21:40 TR Bot; Software Heritage: the software Library of Alexandria - Hello Future Orange
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21:55 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22042914
21:55 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/169t236xxqv81.jpg created on 2022-04-29 03:50:22.972477
21:56 TR News; "Gov. Greg Gianfortes signature pledge to bring home Montanas kids and grandkids, now backed by a $700,000 marketing campaign, has run headlong into angst over Montanas crazy real estate market." https://montanafreepress.org/2022/05/06/come-home-montana-reception-mixed/
21:56 TR Bot; Come Home Montana recruitment campaign draws mixed reception
22:02 TR News; #HowTo continue the growth of open source in the UK Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164587
22:02 TR Bot; How to continue the growth of open source in the UK | Tux Machines
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22:11 TR News; "The code is terrible but I figured I might as well share it. Currently, it has all the features I need. Only thing really missing is client authentication and private directories." gemini://80h.dev/glog/2020-04-28.gemini
22:12 TR News; "sr.ht is pretty cool, no need for annoying pull requests or js" gemini://80h.dev/glog/2020-05-13.gemini
22:14 TR News; "From what I've read I'll basically stare at a computer screen all day unless I'm stuck in the field." gemini://80h.dev/~int/glog/2020-10-03-Army-What.gemini
22:15 TR News; "Earlier this year, my surname appeared on a list at Pontins holiday parks. Published by a whistleblower, the list instructed staff to refuse bookings under my surname (among others) in an attempt to blacklist Gypsy and Traveller families from the site." gemini://caolan.uk/desk/2021-07-08_undesirable_guests.gmi
22:16 TR News; Abandoning Microsoft. "Performance has degraded of late though, and I can't help shake the feeling that investing time in a commercial, MS product is a great idea." gemini://envs.net/~lrb/gemlog/2020-09-19-switching-to-emacs.gmi
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22:17 TR News; "On a private forum today, one of my oldest friends, who is, regrettably, a centrist Democrat, posted a note asking those of us who are critical of Joe Biden to put up or shut up to tell him what we would have progressives do next, or get the fuck off the forum." gemini://carcosa.net/send-the-nukes/2020-11-03-whatistobedone.gmi
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22:19 TR News; Threat Actor Increases Dwell Time By Targeting Opaque Devices | Decipher https://duo.com/decipher/threat-actor-increases-dwell-time-by-targeting-opaque-devices Source: duo
22:19 TR Bot; Threat Actor Increases Dwell Time By Targeting Opaque Devices | Decipher
22:19 TR News; But clown computing is the opposite of security. It is a data breach, technically speaking. https://thenewstack.io/understand-the-3-ps-of-cloud-native-security/
22:19 TR Bot; Understand the 3 Ps of Cloud Native Security The New Stack
22:20 TR News; Now the cranks and charlatans of "web3" (not w3c, the corporate hive) have a "foundation" https://www.securities.io/web3-foundation-partners-with-polkadot-parachain-auction-winners-for-ledger-integration/
22:20 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.securities.io/web3-foundation-partners-with-polkadot-parachain-auction-winners-for-ledger-integration/ )
22:21 TR News; "Governments Clown Journeys" :-) https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220504005055/en/SecurID-Receives-FedRAMP-Moderate-Authorization
22:21 TR Bot; SecurID Receives FedRAMP Moderate Authorization | Business Wire
22:22 activelow; session timeout and screen-locker hacked into abduco terminal session handler... done.
22:23 TR News; Maybe stop outsourcing and choosing proprietary stuff, for starters... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/etr-technology-survey-cites-cybersecurity-125000016.html
22:23 TR Bot; to connect to 2001:4998:18:800::4002: Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://finance.yahoo.com/news/etr-technology-survey-cites-cybersecurity-125000016.html )
22:23 activelow; another one on todo... limit maximum attached clients to exactly one only; which abduco doesn't as tmux implements it
22:24 TR News; This is a proprietary software problem, too https://warontherocks.com/2022/05/dependency-issues-solving-the-worlds-open-source-software-security-problem/ see http://techrights.org/2022/01/14/white-house-security-theatre/
22:24 TR Bot; Dependency Issues: Solving the Worlds Open-Source Software Security Problem - War on the Rocks
22:24 TR Bot; White House Asking Proprietary Software Companies That Add NSA Back Doors About Their Views on Open Source Security | Techrights
22:25 TR News; "WMIEXEC tool, which employs Windows Management Instrumentation to create a semi-interactive shell." https://www.securityweek.com/cyberespionage-group-targeting-ma-corporate-transactions-personnel
22:25 TR Bot; Group Targeting M&A, Corporate Transactions Personnel | SecurityWeek.Com
22:26 TR News; Should be FTC, not FCC https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10775891/FCC-says-does-not-right-interfere-Elon-Musks-44-billion-Twitter-takeover.html
22:26 TR Bot; FCC says it does not have the right to interfere in Elon Musk's $44 billion Twitter takeover | Daily Mail Online
22:30 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22050754
22:30 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/nn2w2ba9jux81.jpg created on 2022-05-07 21:47:05.892320
22:36 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164588
22:36 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:37 TR News; Speculation scheme? No thanks... https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/wikimedia-foundation-confirms-that-it-will-no-longer-accept-crypto-donations-080029446.html
22:37 TR Bot; The Wikimedia Foundation won't accept crypto donations anymore
22:38 TR News; Surveillance jobs https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-ai-skills-that-will-get-you-a-job-in-faang-companies-in-2022/
22:38 TR Bot; You are being redirected...
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22:43 TR News; They have managed to skip GNU like it never existed and does not exist https://www.itweb.co.za/content/P3gQ2qGAY8O7nRD1
22:43 TR Bot; Open source the gift that keeps on giving | ITWeb
22:44 TR News; Charlatan and fraud Craig Wright is using the term "Open Source" to promote his lies https://coingeek.com/open-source-and-liability/
22:44 TR Bot; source and liability - CoinGeek
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22:45 TR News; "FreeBSD supports both 32- and 64-bit platforms, providing scalable implementation from ARM CPUs up to powerful Xeon CPUs. It has a small footprint, taking up less than 300MB of RAM." https://drivesncontrols.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/7019/Open-source_OS_is_a_low-cost_alternative_to_Windows_for_IPCs.html
22:45 TR Bot; Open-source OS is a low-cost alternative to Windows for IPCs - Drives and Controls Magazine
22:46 TR News; Because now only humans dies of cancer https://finance.yahoo.com/news/petco-love-announces-1-million-121200962.html
22:46 TR Bot; Petco Love Announces $1 Million in New Investments to Fight Pet Cancer
22:47 TR News; Purdue, Ivy Tech partner on next-generation microelectronics workforce - Purdue University News https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2022/Q2/purdue,-ivy-tech-partner-on-next-generation-microelectronics-workforce.html Source: purdue
22:47 TR Bot; Purdue, Ivy Tech partner on next-generation microelectronics workforce - Purdue University News
22:47 TR News; oreilly promoting buzzwords like HEY HI and SCAM like Web3 https://www.oreilly.com/radar/radar-trends-to-watch-may-2022/
22:47 TR Bot; Radar trends to watch: May 2022 OReilly
22:48 TR News; Linux, but also DRM and surveillance https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/roku-streaming-stick-4k
22:49 TR Bot; Roku Streaming Stick 4K review: Plug it in
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22:50 TR News; But do these tablets run Free software or just spyware controlled by another nation? https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/tablets-distributed-among-750-govt-school-students-in-panchkula-101651781584393.html
22:50 TR Bot; Tablets distributed among 750 govt school students in Panchkula - Hindustan Times
22:54 TR News; On Android, this would be a risk if you run malicious "apps" that want root; or if you update these to inherit new and malicious behaviour https://thehackernews.com/2022/05/google-releases-android-update-to-patch.html
22:54 TR Bot; Google Releases Android Update to Patch Actively Exploited Vulnerability
22:55 TR News; Nasdaq calls a bubble (fake valuation, fraudulent market) a "bargain" to entice people who have REAL savings to join Wall Street's pyramid scheme with REAL money, not worthless stocks https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/bargain-shopping-3-strong-buy-stocks-that-are-flirting-with-a-bottom
22:56 TR News; Buzzwords in banks https://thefinancialbrand.com/141233/artificial-intelligence-in-banking-top-priorities-for-2022-and-beyond/
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22:56 TR News; How sleep-deprived see and evaluate others' faces | NSS https://www.dovepress.com/how-sleep-deprived-people-see-and-evaluate-others-faces-an-experimenta-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-NSS Source: dovepress
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22:57 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
22:57 TR News; EU accuses Apple of violating competition laws - Protocol https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/eu-apple-pay-wallet-competition "The European Commission sent Apple a "preliminary view" that the company is violating competition laws."
22:57 TR Bot; accuses Apple of violating competition laws - Protocol
22:58 TR News; Wanna work in Gulag? No your probably do NOT. https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/google-fires-ai-researcher "after he questioned the validity of a recent paper."
22:58 TR Bot; fired AI researcher Satrajit Chatterjee - Protocol
23:00 TR News; Before Gulag turned pure evil it had tried to recruit me, not once but about three times. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2006/08/11/interview-with-google/
23:00 TR Bot; Blog Archive Second Interview with Google
23:01 TR News; Seems like far too much complexity and gimmicks. What happens if/when this company goes under? https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/software/nutanix-aos-storage-review/
23:01 TR Bot; Nutanix: AOS Storage Review | Enterprise Storage Forum
23:02 TR News; Clown computing isn't a feature but marketing. Like "bubbly personality"...
23:03 TR News; Science curtailed by business models https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/technology/tech-companies-business-plans.html
23:03 TR Bot; Good Products and Bad Businesses - The New York Times
23:04 TR News; Salesforce-owned 'paper' forgot Microsoft? https://www.newsweek.com/2022/05/13/facebook-google-face-regulatory-reckoning-that-may-end-big-tech-dominance-1703179.html
23:04 TR Bot; Facebook, Google Face Regulatory Reckoning That May End Big Tech Dominance
23:05 TR News; More buzzwords = more diploma mills. "FinOps certification" https://www.techtarget.com/searchcloudcomputing/feature/Explore-options-for-FinOps-certifications-and-training
23:05 TR Bot; Explore options for FinOps certifications and training
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23:07 TR News; This might be a plagiarism site, but it's funny nonetheless https://nairametrics.com/2022/05/06/microsoft-advises-users-to-uninstall-windows-11-update/
23:07 TR Bot; advises users to uninstall Windows 11 update - Nairametrics
23:08 matey; psydruid another ancient timesharing os: TSO? for the ibm 360 (old 1960s mainframe)
23:08 TR News; Larry Ellison, Saudi Regime, Musk... promoted here in the Bezos Post. The plutocrats take direct control of the communications of so many people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/05/05/musk-twitter-financing-ellison/
23:08 TR Bot; Musk lines up more than $7 billion in investor financing for Twitter deal - The Washington Post
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23:09 matey; general (ive posted this before) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UYb6WqWBTE0
23:09 TR Bot; Mark Allen - Before Unix: An Early History of Timesharing Systems - Invidious
23:10 TR News; Open-source with dash typically means it is fake https://venturebeat.com/2022/05/05/meet-logseq-an-open-source-knowledge-management-system-that-stores-data-like-a-brain/
23:10 TR Bot; Logseq, an open-source knowledge management system that 'stores data like a brain' | VentureBeat
23:10 psydruid; matey, it's good to know about it
23:10 matey; 360: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=npgvV_-Nh60 (probably has nothing about tso because it wasnt only a timesharing system, it also did batch processing)
23:10 TR Bot; COMPUTER HISTORY: REMEMBERING THE IBM SYSTEM/360 MAINFRAME, its Origin and Technology (IRS, NASA) - Invidious
23:11 matey; no idea what this is but im going to watch anyway https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OWwzQyXAvXI
23:11 TR Bot; One of the Biggest Frauds in Tech History - The Miniscribe Brick Fiasco - Invidious
23:11 TR News; Windows EXperiment https://gizmodo.com/windows-11-update-causing-apps-to-crash-how-to-uninstal-1848884560
23:11 TR Bot; Windows 11 Update Causing Apps to CrashHow to Uninstall
23:12 matey; and its hard to find stuff on 1960s tso because they still use that acronym related somehow to z/os (modern) and maybe ariadne knows more about it
23:12 TR News; "In the United States (US), two key antitrust laws are in placei.e., the Sherman Act and the Clayton Actto curb anti-competitive activities." https://www.orfonline.org/research/competition-law-in-the-digital-space/
23:12 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.orfonline.org/research/competition-law-in-the-digital-space/ )
23:12 matey; but would probably just laugh since she has better software to run on one (and better mainframes, and shes not into that level of retrocomputing afaik)
23:13 matey; i have no personal interest in running a mainframe obviously, im interested in old timesharing systems
23:13 matey; at least knowing bits and bobs about them
23:13 DaemonFC; Oh this is great. Acording to GEICO's app I drove through several fields, a retention pond, and some buildings.
23:13 TR News; Taking back control: new 3D printed bracelet empowers the hand-impaired to play video games - 3D Printing Industry https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/taking-back-control-new-3d-printed-bracelet-empowers-the-hand-impaired-to-play-video-games-208904/ Source: 3dprintingindustry
23:13 TR Bot; Taking back control: new 3D printed bracelet empowers the hand-impaired to play video games - 3D Printing Industry
23:13 matey; hooray for gps and insurance companies
23:13 matey; on the plus side you can get a telsa and make up the difference in insurance premiums :)
23:14 TR News; LOLOLOLOLO!!! "Web3... GAMING" https://news.bitcoin.com/mexc-global-officially-lists-leader-in-web-3%E2%80%A40-gaming-unix-gaming/ does it also do smart HEY HI stuff on the clown?
23:14 TR Bot; MEXC Global Officially Lists Leader in Web 30 Gaming - UniX Gaming! Press release Bitcoin News
23:14 matey; (a telsa i guess, is a cheap knockoff version of a tesla, and it comes with a free bolex watch)
23:14 TR News; Meet the real new bosses of Twitter https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2022/05/05/elon-musk-gets-help-from-techies-saudi-prince-and-crypto-king-in-bid-to-own-twitter/
23:14 TR Bot; Elon Musk gets help from techies, Saudi prince and crypto king in bid to own Twitter
23:14 psydruid; mainframe architecture may be interesting, but I don't have much interest in IBM's implementation either
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23:14 bnchs; https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2022/05/05/elon-musk-gets-help-from-techies-saudi-prince-and-crypto-king-in-bid-to-own-twitter/
23:14 matey; im only interested in the comparisons
23:14 -bnchsbot/#techrights-www.adn.com | Elon Musk gets help from techies, Saudi prince and crypto king in bid to own Twitter
23:15 matey; i dont want to convert to scientology either, but its interesting to compare it to other cults
23:15 TR News; "Why cite the Reporters Without Borders report on the lack of press freedom in India when your humourists are being targeted?" https://www.freepressjournal.in/analysis/india-isnt-a-safe-place-for-comedians-either-writes-anil-singh
23:15 TR Bot; India isn't a safe place for comedians either, writes Anil Singh
23:15 -bnchsbot/#techrights-www.freepressjournal.in [cloudflare] | India isn't a safe place for comedians either, writes Anil Singh
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23:16 TR News; Microsoft booster on ICBM BLUE POWER https://www.networkworld.com/article/3660050/ibm-announces-first-major-update-to-power9-servers-in-three-years.html
23:16 TR Bot; IBM announces first major update to Power9 servers in three years | Network World
23:17 psydruid; OpenWalletPOWER
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23:17 bnchs; https://www.freepressjournal.in/analysis/india-isnt-a-safe-place-for-comedians-either-writes-anil-singh
23:17 -bnchsbot/#techrights-www.freepressjournal.in [cloudflare] | India isn't a safe place for comedians either, writes Anil Singh
23:18 TR News; "Computer scientists Alfred Aho and Toniann Pitassi, mathematician Michael Harris, and sociologist Mario Small join this years class of new members." https://news.columbia.edu/news/four-columbians-elected-national-academy-sciences
23:18 -bnchsbot/#techrights-news.columbia.edu [cloudflare] | Four Columbians Elected to the National Academy of Sciences | Columbia News
23:18 TR Bot; Four Columbians Elected to the National Academy of Sciences | Columbia News
23:19 TR News; LOL. Total crock: "Web2 & Web3" https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/05/03/2434094/0/en/Delysium-kicks-off-the-largest-ever-Pre-Alpha-Test-involving-professional-gamers-from-both-Web2-Web3.html
23:19 TR Bot; Delysium kicks off the largest-ever Pre-Alpha Test
23:19 -bnchsbot/#techrights-www.globenewswire.com | Delysium kicks off the largest-ever Pre-Alpha Test
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23:19 bnchs; took the bot for a test drive a bit
23:19 bnchs; i hope you guys didn't mind
23:19 psydruid; no, it's great
23:20 psydruid; I hope the driver survives the test drive, though
23:20 TR News; IBM-sponsored writer Timothy Prickett Morgan composes some word salad about "Hey Hi https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/04/28/the-hyperscalers-point-the-way-to-integrated-ai-stacks/
23:20 TR Bot; The Hyperscalers Point The Way To Integrated AI Stacks
23:20 bnchs; i did a CTRL-C :)
23:20 psydruid; we can't have more of those Tesla incidents
23:21 matey; Where was the need to rely on the global index published by the Paris-based Reporters Without Borders when hundreds of your own brethren are being locked up under trumped-up charges ranging from sedition to spreading infectious diseases? And, why look at journalists when humourists are being targeted. Vir Das, Munawar Faruqui, Kunal Kamra, Shyam Rangeela the list of comics in trouble for speaking about the emperors wardrobe malfunction is growing
23:22 TR News; "debate DevOps versus MLOps"... don't forget SmartOps and Web3Ops... https://www.madrona.com/founded-and-funded-ia40-hugging-face-clem-delangue-octoml-luis-ceze-foundation-models-open-source-bias-detection/
23:22 TR Bot; and Funded IA40 Winner Spotlight: Hugging Face CEO Clem Delangue and OctoML CEO Luis Ceze on foundation models, open source, and transparency - Madrona Venture Group
23:22 matey; sooner or later people are going to figure out that no emperor has ever worn clothes
23:23 matey; and the whole thing is a complete farce
23:23 matey; Faruqui, in fact, said nothing. He was arrested before he could even crack a joke. Thought police? The stand-up comedian was released from captivity after two months when the police could no longer justify his arrest for hurting religious sentiments.
23:23 matey; i hope he was banned from lieplanet too. they love this sort of thing.
23:24 matey; the very idea of them talking about freedom, when they present this sort of petty autocracy as "freedom" it should make people vomit.
23:24 schestowitz-TR; OpenWallet.BuyPower();
23:24 matey; comparisons aside, im equally interested in the actual story here
23:24 schestowitz-TR; "IBM, can we speak of black power?"
23:24 schestowitz-TR; IBM: It's POWER! All CAPS!!!!
23:24 matey; i cared about comedy before i cared about free software
23:25 matey; ALL CAPS TO THE MONOPOLIES
23:25 schestowitz-TR; "OK, OK... no need toi get all grammar nazi about it..."
23:25 matey; FORWARD, TO INCORPORATION
23:25 bnchs; it's called OpenWallet
23:25 bnchs; open your fucking wallets bitch
23:26 matey; godwins second law was that the more english majors are present, the faster godwins first law gets cited
23:26 matey; after that, he was tragically killed by ACTUAL NAZIS
23:26 TR News; Wine 7.8 is out now with X11 and OSS drivers... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164573#comment-33579
23:26 TR Bot; Wine development release 7.8 is now available. | Tux Machines
23:27 matey; With this kind of notoriety, the Bengaluru police did not allow Faruqui to hold shows for fear of right-wing violence. For good measure, they kept out Kamra too; perhaps they feared a laugh riot.
23:27 matey; :) laugh rioting is a federal offence
23:27 *guysoft42 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
23:27 matey; Another stand-up, Vir Das had FIRs registered against him across the country for a six-minute monologue on the contradictions in India.
23:27 matey; he was kept in solitary confinement and fed only BITCH LASAGNA for weeks
23:28 bnchs; virfield
23:28 TR News; foss vanitasvitae's blog: Europe Trip Journal Entry 5: Bonsoir https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/05/07/europe-trip-journal-entry-5-working-title/
23:28 TR Bot; Europe Trip Journal Entry 5: Bonsoir vanitasvitae's blog
23:28 matey; What is the need to harp on the findings of a foreign agency when Indian journalists like Aakar Patel and Rana Ayyub have look-out notices for them at airports while big-time economic offenders such as Vijay Mallya and Nirav Modi fly out with 80 suitcases?
23:29 matey; "We are a nation that sends gangsters to Parliament and gagsters to prison."
23:30 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164589
23:30 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
23:30 TR News; "It's finally happening, I'm finally moving out of my current place and into a place with one of my good mates, here I'll have so much more space but right now nothing is finished. My room/studio isn't finished is neither is most of the house but it will be soon enough." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IhHo6ExDgKE
23:30 TR Bot; Welcome To My New House & Studio Planning - Invidious
23:31 matey; stalin couldnt take a joke either
23:31 matey; too many of those in office now
23:31 matey; like the world is being taunted
23:31 bnchs; matey: whats the difference of that and modern social media
23:31 bnchs; stalin and modern social media*
23:31 bnchs; they can't take a joke
23:32 matey; its the same mindset, different applications
23:32 matey; stalin was (probabl) killed by his own people
23:32 matey; it was fair, it was self-defence
23:32 matey; they should have done it sooner
23:33 matey; people become insane with power, they see only enemies in their closest allies
23:33 matey; they try to destroy everyone, but sooner or later enough people are pissed off about it
23:33 matey; that they retaliate-- and then its done
23:33 matey; until people forget enough history to let it happen all over again
23:34 matey; history is one of the ultimately defensive weapons
23:34 matey; thats why so many bastards try to rewrite it
23:34 matey; ultimate s/ly//
23:35 matey; heres my favourite line of the article
23:35 matey; If our mainstream press was not playing a both-sides game to appear objective, it would rebut the governments claim with facts and figures.
23:35 matey; hmm :)
23:35 matey; i REALLY like that line
23:35 matey; im completely in love with that line
23:35 bnchs; why don't you marry it
23:36 matey; i was considering it, but honestly i have a better prospect than even that
23:36 bnchs; don't worry i'll won't judge :3
23:36 matey; oh im not against it
23:36 matey; but with todays copyright laws i doubt i could even get a marriage license
23:37 TR News; "I've always argued that the standard command line installation of Arch Linux is easy and anyone can do it (seriously!). But many people fear command line installations, so Arch Linux now comes with a guided menu-based install script that is as easy-to-use as the Ubiquity installer or the Calamares installer." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=leQbSsu-7F4
23:37 TR Bot; Install Arch Linux The Easy Way With The Official Install Script - Invidious
23:37 bnchs; the same official install script
23:37 bnchs; that has systemd-bootctl as a choice of bootloader
23:37 bnchs; eugghhhhh
23:37 matey; /me prefers systemd-bootsycollins
23:38 bnchs; i'll poison poettering's drinks with ibuprofen
23:38 matey; /me tries to make bootsy glasses with ascii but it looks too much like something else
23:39 matey; no just make a laser move up a table towards him
23:39 matey; and to deactivate it has to shut down a distro running systemd properly
23:40 bnchs; matey: oh god
23:41 bnchs; KADUITD
23:41 bnchs; CALLBACKS SURPRESSED
23:42 matey; honestly, if i could go back in time and prevent systemd from being released into the world, i wouldnt
23:43 matey; but-- i WOULD change the pisspoor responses to it instead
23:43 TR News; Published deb-get utility, offering apt-get-like functionality for third-party packages http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164481#comment-33580
23:43 TR Bot; Deb-Get is Apt-Get for 3rd-Party Ubuntu Software | Tux Machines
23:43 matey; that part i would fix
23:44 bnchs; "systemd-homed is not available"
23:44 bnchs; AAAAAAAAAAA
23:44 bnchs; OH MY FUCkING GOODDDD
23:45 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows: Arch Linux, House Move, Steam Deck, and Ubuntu 22.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164590
23:45 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows: Arch Linux, House Move, Steam Deck, and Ubuntu 22.04 | Tux Machines
23:45 matey; systemd-omfgd
23:45 TR News; SparkyLinux 6.3 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164591
23:45 TR Bot; SparkyLinux 6.3 | Tux Machines
23:45 TR News; The OSes are proprietary, this is just Apple taking code of others https://linuxstoney.com/apple-has-published-the-code-for-the-kernel-and-system-components-of-macos-12-3/
23:45 TR Bot; has published the code for the kernel and system components of macOS 12.3 - LinuxStoney
23:46 matey; ibmd-takeoverd
23:46 TR News; "Please reach out to us on our discord"?????? https://medevel.com/ustaxes/
23:46 TR Bot; UsTaxes is an open-source free tax filing app for USA
23:46 matey; movezig-takeoffeveryzigd
23:47 matey; gentoo you have no chance to survive, make your time
23:47 schestowitz-TR; removing systemd is a HATE CRIME
23:47 matey; against josh simmons, personally
23:47 matey; if you dont like josh simmons, you hate gay people
23:47 bnchs; i'm gonna switch to openrc
23:47 schestowitz-TR; no
23:47 psydruid; vendors of closed source software want you to run it on closed source operating systems
23:47 schestowitz-TR; you got it WRONG
23:47 psydruid; news at 11
23:47 schestowitz-TR; if you don;t like OSI
23:48 schestowitz-TR; i.e. large corporation
23:48 schestowitz-TR; then you hold homophobic views
23:48 *bnchsbot (~bnchsbot@2a6mwvt4j7cdn.irc) has joined #techrights
23:48 matey; i didnt know osi was gay
23:48 schestowitz-TR; I didn't even know simmons was
23:48 schestowitz-TR; it was a straw man
23:48 *bnchsbot has quit (connection closed)
23:48 matey; i mean, it was started by bruce perens and eric-- OH...
23:48 matey; no one ever told me
23:49 schestowitz-TR; rianne saw a video olf phipps yesterday
23:49 schestowitz-TR; said he looked like a trans woman
23:49 schestowitz-TR; I could not disagree
23:49 schestowitz-TR; in fact I thought the same just minutes before she said it
23:49 schestowitz-TR; but phipps is OK
23:49 schestowitz-TR; relativbely speaking
23:49 schestowitz-TR; compared to the people who took over OSI
23:50 *psydruid makes jokes about gene simmons because he doesn't know who josh simmons is, so he imagines him to be some kind of rockstar too
23:50 matey; i dont think phipps "looks trans"
23:50 *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@gbgr2jcp6yrt2.irc) has joined #techrights
23:50 matey; i think he has a shitty haircut though
23:50 schestowitz-TR; we saw a recent video
23:50 schestowitz-TR; he had gained some weight
23:51 matey; gene simmons and josh simmons are both narcissistic fuckwits obsessed with money and intellectual property
23:51 matey; only one worked for osi and the other was in a (relatively) cool rock band
23:51 schestowitz-TR; wait, gene simmons sued?
23:51 matey; i dont hate the band, i just dont like simmons
23:51 matey; i dont know if he sued anyone, i know that hes on the shill side of the industry
23:51 matey; and the band is alright.
23:52 matey; and as a performer, simmons is okay, i simply dont like him much as a person
23:52 matey; hes very much the "business sense" of k.i.s.s.
23:52 matey; and by business i mean industry
23:53 matey; as in the one that fucks over artists for profit
23:53 matey; but some win the industry lottery, so to speak
23:53 matey; the record industry and software industry play pretty much by the same rules
23:54 matey; the head of the riaa could have come out and said ARTISTS! ARTISTS! ARTISTS! ARTISTS!
23:54 matey; ARTISTS! ARTISTS! ARTISTS! ARTISTS!
23:54 matey; its the same scam
23:54 *psydruid barely even knows the band
23:54 matey; they dont give a shit about artists, and microsoft doesnt give a shit about developers
23:54 matey; rather they pit artists against fans for their own purposes
23:55 matey; and microsoft pits developers against users
23:55 matey; not because it cares
23:55 matey; its all about their business (exploitation) model
23:55 psydruid; until users become developers too
23:55 matey; well by that time, theyre supposed to work against users
23:55 psydruid; they're just different hats people wear
23:55 psydruid; yes
23:55 matey; thats what developers do (in microsoft land)
23:55 schestowitz-TR; how about richard simmons?
23:55 matey; its a dichotomy for sure
23:56 matey; richard simmons got too old to sweat to the oldies anymore
23:56 matey; i think hes a lovely person
23:56 matey; osi would have been much cooler (and more gay) with him at the helm than josh simmons
23:56 psydruid; "I was once in the user camp, but I switched allegiance to the developer camp"
23:56 matey; i dont think he ever came out of the closet by the way
23:57 matey; instead he just spent his entire career trolling people about it
23:57 matey; i think hes probably as gay as liberace. but if he deosnt want to come out, and prefers to have everything but one toe out of the closet for decaes
23:57 matey; i mean its his right tbh
23:57 bnchs; if i had a time machine
23:57 bnchs; i would have taken away poettering's internet
23:58 psydruid; an open letter to users becoming developers
23:58 psydruid; someone enabled poettering
23:58 matey; red hat
23:58 matey; now ibm
23:58 psydruid; he couldn't have done this in isolation
23:58 matey; and i want to say novell
23:58 matey; funnily enuoguh
23:59 psydruid; else we would be saying "poettering, qui est-ce que c'est"
23:59 matey; there might be crossed wires here, but i swear that somehow, gkh is involved
23:59 psydruid; and sending a psycho killer after him
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