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00:00 psydruid; so it's not that black and white
00:00 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: Iran?
00:00 psydruid; yes
00:00 schestowitz-TR; Well, maybe Ural nations
00:00 schestowitz-TR; like Balkan and Baltic
00:00 schestowitz-TR; all other nations are ahead of Iran
00:00 schestowitz-TR; even spain and italy
00:00 schestowitz-TR; and greece
00:02 immibis; schestowitz-TR: don't be fooled: although people present it as a general principle, they're mainly pissed off about the specific case of nazi-style ideology being censored
00:02 schestowitz-TR; immibis: we covered it years ago
00:02 schestowitz-TR; many times
00:03 schestowitz; also see http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/11/06/gab-is-pro-nazis/
00:03 TR Bot; Blog Archive Gab is Not a Site That Tolerates Nazis. It is a Nazi Site That Bans People Who Object to Nazism. Its a Censorship Site With a Dangerous Agenda.
00:05 schestowitz-TR; In Germany the "banker parties" (or coalition) have this trick of framing any opponents as AfD and thus "nazi"
00:05 schestowitz-TR; and then those opinions don't count
00:05 schestowitz-TR; or slippery slope to berlin getting blitzed to rubble again
00:08 TR News; "Linux files"??? https://www.networkworld.com/article/3656413/2-ways-to-remove-duplicate-lines-from-linux-files.html
00:08 TR Bot; 2 ways to remove duplicate lines from Linux files | Network World
00:08 schestowitz-TR; me scans *.linux
00:10 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163437
00:10 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
00:11 TR News; "Gulag Analytics has lately been declared illegal in France and Austria." https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/675
00:11 TR Bot; The Plausible(.io) Alternative to Google Analytics
00:12 TR News; "In this video, we are looking at Kubuntu 22.04 Beta. Enjoy! For the links and more," https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_UaXrYJUUAg
00:12 TR Bot; Kubuntu 22.04 Beta Run Through - Invidious
00:12 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: is that windows video ok?
00:12 schestowitz-TR; is the title suitable?
00:12 schestowitz-TR; clickbait?
00:15 psydruid; my attention got lost again
00:15 psydruid; third time's a charm lol
00:15 TR News; CIQ and Gulag Clown to Provide Optimized Experience for Rocky Linux | Business Wire https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220406005995/en/CIQ-and-Google-Cloud-to-Provide-Optimized-Experience-for-Rocky-Linux
00:15 Alternative link; CloudFlare: businesswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220406005995/en/CIQ-and-Google-Cloud-to-Provide-Optimized-Experience-for-Rocky-Linux https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220406005995/en/CIQ-and-Google-Cloud-to-Provide-Optimized-Experience-for-Rocky-Linux
00:15 TR Bot; CIQ and Google Cloud to Provide Optimized Experience for Rocky Linux | Business Wire
00:16 psydruid; I think he explains it OK, but when I hear Windows I lose interest
00:17 psydruid; it's a video about all the things I hate in modern computing
00:17 psydruid; that's probably why I'm having trouble staying focused
00:18 schestowitz-TR; clown storage?
00:18 schestowitz-TR; TPM?
00:18 schestowitz-TR; Pluton-crats?
00:19 psydruid; he mentions a few of those things
00:19 TR News; Videos/Audio: Kubuntu 22.04 Beta, Plausible, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163438
00:19 TR Bot; Videos/Audio: Kubuntu 22.04 Beta, Plausible, and More | Tux Machines
00:20 psydruid; but this seems to be a video for Windows users
00:20 schestowitz-TR; so that's no good...
00:20 psydruid; is he going to cover more Windows now?
00:20 schestowitz-TR; it's like another The Linux Gamer -> Bryant talks stuff...
00:21 psydruid; Brodie Billson
00:21 TR News; Red Hat/Fedora: SystremD, Clown RAN, Rocky Linux, and AlmaLinux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163439
00:21 TR Bot; Red Hat/Fedora: SystremD, Clown RAN, Rocky Linux, and AlmaLinux | Tux Machines
00:21 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: seems like an odd topic choice
00:21 schestowitz-TR; his audience is quite handcore
00:21 schestowitz-TR; and his message seems to be face-saving BS of Microsoft
00:21 schestowitz-TR; PR almost
00:21 schestowitz-TR; but I did not watch it
00:21 schestowitz-TR; he used to get loads of views
00:21 psydruid; he could have covered it more from the non-Windows side
00:22 schestowitz-TR; not to many recently or past year
00:22 schestowitz-TR; but maybe not lack of "content"
00:22 schestowitz-TR; but gulagtube hiding "creators" from their subscribers
00:22 psydruid; now it's like "what now?"
00:22 schestowitz-TR; he's reading techrights
00:22 schestowitz-TR; let me check
00:22 psydruid; "how does this help me?"
00:22 schestowitz-TR; I've just linked to that in TM
00:23 schestowitz-TR; he always gives overview at the starthis videos are scripted
00:23 schestowitz-TR; and the summaries full of typos
00:24 schestowitz; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8hihk3UC3Ig
00:24 TR Bot; Has Windows 11 Adoption Really Stopped? - Invidious
00:24 schestowitz; so he slags off MSM
00:24 schestowitz; for being NOT pro-Microsoft????
00:24 schestowitz; LOL!!!!!!
00:24 schestowitz; So media does not, for a change, repeat Microsoft lies
00:24 schestowitz; and he mocks them for it
00:24 schestowitz; ok, I've had enough
00:25 schestowitz; he comments on the same article I did a video on 2 days ago
00:25 schestowitz; so he's being pro-MIcrosoft contrarian
00:25 schestowitz; boo
00:25 schestowitz-TR; btw, techradar
00:25 psydruid; what is his agenda?
00:25 schestowitz-TR; in that article
00:25 schestowitz-TR; which he shows
00:25 schestowitz-TR; and I too shows
00:25 schestowitz-TR; it's pro-Microsoft lies
00:25 schestowitz-TR; from first paragraph
00:25 schestowitz-TR; and the top is all Microsoft ads
00:25 schestowitz-TR; it's Microsoft-sponsored rag
00:25 schestowitz-TR; anyway, he loses points
00:26 schestowitz-TR; for going out of his way to defend Micerosoft
00:26 schestowitz-TR; very poor taste
00:26 schestowitz-TR; like there's nothing else for him to cover
00:26 psydruid; no one is saying that GNU/Linux will take over any time now
00:26 psydruid; but the evolution is clear
00:27 psydruid; every year is the year of the Linux machine
00:27 schestowitz; my response: http://techrights.org/2022/04/04/windows-floundering/
00:27 TR Bot; 6 Months After Vista 11s Official Release the Market Share of Windows Falls to 28% (All-Time Low) | Techrights
00:27 schestowitz; to the same article
00:27 psydruid; and there is no stopping that
00:27 schestowitz; should I delete him from RSS?
00:27 schestowitz; lket's call it strike 1
00:27 psydruid; 3 strikes and he's out
00:28 schestowitz-TR; yes, 2 more then
00:28 psydruid; I don't find gulagtube creators to be reliable in any case
00:28 TR News; "Thank You Bosch, this angle grinder is brand new. It has never worked, because there seems to a production error/the small gear is loose / not attached to the drive shaft, so the electric motor can not drive the gearbox." https://dwaves.de/2022/04/06/bosch-angle-grinder-flex-pws-9-125-ce-products-clearly-suffering-from-lack-of-quality-made-in-hungary-and-maybe-even-china-3-603-c99-a01/
00:28 TR Bot; Bosch Angle Grinder Flex PWS 9-125 CE Products clearly suffering from lack of Quality Made in Hungary and maybe even China 3 603 C99 A01 | dwaves.de
00:29 schestowitz-TR; #gatespartner
00:29 schestowitz-TR; in youtube
00:29 schestowitz-TR; bill is angle
00:29 schestowitz-TR; wanna become gates partner now?
00:29 schestowitz-TR; you can hitch a plan
00:29 psydruid; they'll just swing whatever way gives them more viewers and revenue
00:29 schestowitz-TR; just don't be too old
00:29 schestowitz-TR; bill likes "rich people"
00:30 schestowitz-TR; bill is angle > bill is single
00:30 schestowitz-TR; officially divorced a few months back
00:30 schestowitz-TR; the wife said she divorced due to epstein
00:30 schestowitz-TR; gulagtube pushes gates ads
00:30 schestowitz-TR; with him talking
00:30 psydruid; bill likes looking at things from all angles
00:30 schestowitz-TR; in his small voicet
00:30 schestowitz-TR; they push this in rianne's face
00:30 schestowitz-TR; she skips this but not before laughing at this weirdo
00:31 schestowitz-TR; gulagtube is compromised
00:31 schestowitz-TR; if we had no invidious, I'd not subescribe to anything at all
00:34 TR News; Monado accepted in GSoC 2022! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163419#comment-33294
00:34 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
00:34 psydruid; I use a locally installed frontend to gulagtube
00:34 psydruid; so I never see any ads
00:35 schestowitz-TR; we don't know what wiull happen next
00:35 schestowitz-TR; we only know it'll get worse
00:35 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-1.jpg
00:35 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-1.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-1.jpg
00:35 schestowitz-TR; for us
00:35 schestowitz-TR; and better for advertisers
00:35 schestowitz-TR; in the interest of monet generation
00:36 schestowitz-TR; which means any link to "tweets" and youtube videos today will become worse in the future
00:36 schestowitz-TR; I assume yewtu.be won't last long
00:36 schestowitz-TR; all those links will break
00:36 psydruid; creators should have contingency plans to host their videos elsewhere
00:36 schestowitz-TR; the moment gulag lawyers decide "too many" people use it
00:36 schestowitz-TR; it is based on .NL
00:36 schestowitz-TR; the secon-biggest instance is in .FI
00:36 schestowitz-TR; but not so well known
00:36 psydruid; but they will probably lose that sweet revenue
00:36 TR News; Linux Foundation on Red Hat in AGL http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163439#comment-33293
00:36 TR Bot; Red Hat/Fedora: SystremD, Clown RAN, Rocky Linux, and AlmaLinux | Tux Machines
00:37 schestowitz-TR; wait and watch gulag taking on invidious
00:37 schestowitz-TR; in court or just threats
00:37 schestowitz-TR; like youtube-dl
00:37 schestowitz-TR; the cartel will do itr
00:37 schestowitz-TR; invidious has download buittons
00:37 schestowitz-TR; they'll say it's used for 'piracy'
00:38 schestowitz-TR; never mind hos bloody easy it is to rip gulagtube vids regardless
00:38 schestowitz-TR; if you can playback the stuff, you can store it
00:38 schestowitz-TR; unless they mess about with DRM some more
00:38 schestowitz-TR; even then you could bypass it
00:38 schestowitz-TR; DRM is a lost cause
00:39 schestowitz; YouTube ripper
00:39 schestowitz; https://y2mate.is/en65/
00:39 Alternative link; CloudFlare: y2mate.is | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://y2mate.is/en65/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://y2mate.is/en65/
00:39 TR Bot; Youtube Downloader - Convert & Download Youtube Videos - Y2Mate
00:39 schestowitz; this one still works
00:39 schestowitz; but you can use invidious
00:39 schestowitz; derek taylor said one linux channel got banned
00:39 schestowitz; before MANY years ago it made a video on using torrents in gnu/linux
00:39 schestowitz; like, if you want to get ISOs
00:39 schestowitz; and now gulag thinks videos about bittorrent are in violation
00:40 schestowitz; and retroactively applies these rules to very old videos
00:40 schestowitz; then punishes old channels
00:40 schestowitz; the gulagapalyse will be fun
00:40 schestowitz; lots of people will get very, very pissed
00:40 schestowitz; about their 'free' hosting
00:41 schestowitz-TR; they already lost tons of traffic
00:41 schestowitz-TR; hours ago rianne was binging on gulagtube
00:41 schestowitz-TR; and they recommend to her movies and things
00:41 schestowitz-TR; hollywood stuff
00:41 schestowitz-TR; so it's like she's watching TV
00:42 schestowitz-TR; at leasdt librewolf blocks all the ads
00:42 schestowitz-TR; "Creators" = serfs, slaves
00:42 schestowitz-TR; "gig economy"
00:44 TR News; "Every single time you make a merger, somebody is losing his identity. And saying something different is just rubbish." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-01-02.gmi
00:44 psydruid; free hosting doesn't exist
00:44 TR News; "I guess the main point I'm trying to make is that a big company ain't good, and that a good, small-to-mediumsized company is constantly on a knife's edge between going bankrupt and growing to being a big bad company." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-01-02.gmi
00:44 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: right
00:44 psydruid; I still don't get how charging for bandwidth works
00:44 schestowitz-TR; I called it "free lunch"
00:44 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/no-free-lunch/
00:44 TR Bot; Waiting for the Boat to Sink or Disembarking Early | Techrights
00:45 schestowitz; "no free lunch"
00:45 psydruid; you pay for the infrastructure and maintenance
00:45 schestowitz; today we published a talk about ipv43
00:45 schestowitz; and how there's nolw ipv4 tax
00:45 psydruid; why pay for bandwidth?
00:45 schestowitz; if you want hosting you pay or get subcharged for the ip address
00:45 psydruid; I don't pay for bandwidth at home
00:45 schestowitz; ipv4 addresses have gotten expensive
00:45 psydruid; I pay for electricity
00:45 schestowitz; the users pay for b/w
00:46 schestowitz; through ISPs
00:46 schestowitz; the ISPs then try to charge premiums from DCs
00:46 schestowitz; double diipping
00:46 schestowitz; south korea wanted netflix (shit) to pay levied
00:46 schestowitz; for traffic
00:46 schestowitz; but koreans already pay for the traffic
00:46 schestowitz; and the country has the world's fast internet
00:46 schestowitz; *fastest
00:46 schestowitz; (last I checked)
00:47 schestowitz; if more people self-host
00:47 schestowitz; they will pin-point the world examples
00:47 schestowitz; like immibis does with actual nazis
00:47 schestowitz; and then start a FUD campaign
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00:47 schestowitz; about how everything must be in the DC ("the clown")
00:47 schestowitz; and we should all be "consumers" with apps
00:47 schestowitz; and no real local storage
00:48 schestowitz; "pedophile" somnething...
00:48 schestowitz; at bthe moment not many people host from home
00:48 schestowitz; so we get ignored or spared
00:49 TR News; "I watch youtubewatch, not browse. I watch a selection of channels that I know have quality content, using mpv + invidious. Browsing youtube, even with a privacy-protecting frontend, is a recipe for slowly decaying your brain." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-01-08.gmi
00:49 psydruid; I'm wondering if this one of the underlying reasons for the lack of more powerful ARM hardware outside of phones, servers and Apple computers
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00:49 schestowitz-TR; is that truly the case?
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00:49 schestowitz-TR; the bottleneck is upload speeds
00:50 schestowitz-TR; the ADSL keeps the upload throughput artificially low
00:50 schestowitz-TR; and high latency
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00:50 schestowitz-TR; for things like IRC
00:50 schestowitz-TR; streaming videos is OK
00:50 schestowitz-TR; latency not an issue
00:50 psydruid; I mean the DC thing
00:50 schestowitz-TR; but throughput a major barrier
00:50 schestowitz-TR; even ipfs struggles on residential connections
00:51 schestowitz-TR; all the dht traffic
00:51 schestowitz-TR; I have to run traffic shaping at home
00:51 psydruid; I don't want anything in a DC unless I choose for it to be in one
00:51 schestowitz-TR; DCs are getting more expensive
00:51 schestowitz-TR; speaking of work, we work with bytemark
00:51 schestowitz-TR; and they do price hikes
00:51 schestowitz-TR; citing "electricity"
00:51 schestowitz-TR; as if the main cost is energy
00:51 schestowitz-TR; not support and maintenance
00:51 psydruid; what if you had a 1gbps symmetrical connection?
00:51 schestowitz-TR; not sure about "clown" companies
00:52 schestowitz-TR; but I heard they too insanely increase prices
00:52 schestowitz-TR; just mention "ukraine" or "covid" somethingf
00:52 schestowitz-TR; consumer goes, "OK, well... I guess I can spare a few more pounds a month"
00:52 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: then I could get lots done
00:53 schestowitz-TR; I can still get fibre here
00:53 schestowitz-TR; maybe next year I'll try again
00:53 schestowitz-TR; tbh, for video uploads I don't need it anymore
00:53 schestowitz-TR; because it takes longer to encode than to upload
00:53 schestowitz-TR; and I do both in parallel
00:53 schestowitz-TR; using progressive rsync
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00:53 schestowitz-TR; Ariadne taught me this trick
00:54 schestowitz-TR; when she copies across the DB of tuxmachines
00:54 schestowitz-TR; and then passes just the differences
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00:54 schestowitz-TR; for linear data this works well
00:54 schestowitz-TR; like if you only add stuff to the tail of files
00:55 psydruid; that's a nice feature
00:55 schestowitz-TR; in webm videos at the end of encoding it adds bits to the start
00:55 schestowitz-TR; to indicate total length/size
00:55 schestowitz-TR; I'll do some videos about patents soon... after Daily Links
00:56 schestowitz-TR; now I can record on one machine while encoding on the other
00:56 schestowitz-TR; both can record
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00:56 schestowitz-TR; it only takes seconds to pass raw files from one PC to the other
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00:57 TR News; xkcd: Linguistics Degree https://xkcd.com/2602/ Source: xkcd
00:57 TR Bot; Linguistics Degree
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00:57 TR News; xkcd: Childhood Toys https://xkcd.com/2603/ Source: xkcd
00:57 TR Bot; Childhood Toys
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00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 354.70
01:00 TR News; UC Berkeley ML pioneer wins top computing gong - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/06/2021_acm_computing_prize/ Source: theregister
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01:00 TR Bot; UC Berkeley ML pioneer wins top computing gong The Register
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01:02 TR News; COVID-19 vaccines exempted? https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1168800/new-clinical-trial-regulation-now-live
01:02 TR Bot; New Clinical Trial Regulation Now Live - Intellectual Property - European Union
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01:08 TR News; Microsoft 1990s: let's integrate the Web with the operating system (ActiveX, WMP etc.). Gulag and Gulag-funded Mozilla: let's make the browser like a whole operating system or VM. 30 million lines of code!
01:08 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163440
01:08 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
01:12 bnchs___; gulag
01:13 bnchs___; chromebooks is probably the first thin clients we got in this millenia?
01:13 bnchs___; BUT NOT THE LAST
01:14 schestowitz-TR; they should go extinct
01:14 schestowitz-TR; or replaced
01:14 schestowitz-TR; now they use bootloaders
01:14 schestowitz-TR; to attack general-purpose computing
01:14 schestowitz-TR; you buy a laptop
01:14 schestowitz-TR; but like with "phones"
01:14 schestowitz-TR; they lock you in
01:14 schestowitz-TR; only one provider allowed
01:14 schestowitz-TR; and 'free' clown
01:15 schestowitz-TR; you must upload ALL your files
01:16 schestowitz-TR; or they will assume you're a terrorist/pedo
01:16 psydruid; they can't control all the markets all of the time
01:16 psydruid; but they can try
01:16 schestowitz-TR; if you manipulate people
01:16 schestowitz-TR; you might
01:16 psydruid; and we can make them fail
01:16 schestowitz-TR; then you can defame LT
01:16 schestowitz-TR; and RMS
01:16 schestowitz-TR; and hope to discredit those who stand in the way
01:16 schestowitz-TR; like LT saying no to 'secure' boot
01:18 psydruid; LT was always going to end up in this position
01:20 schestowitz-TR; no sense of humour allowed
01:20 schestowitz-TR; no principles
01:20 schestowitz-TR; Red Hat Soft decided
01:20 schestowitz-TR; for their biggest client
01:20 schestowitz-TR; (Pentagon)
01:21 schestowitz-TR; US Empire should have control over what billions of device CAN and CANNOT boot
01:21 schestowitz-TR; they find a useful idiot
01:21 schestowitz-TR; som e Irishman without a CS degree
01:21 schestowitz-TR; and then troll LT
01:21 schestowitz-TR; and try to threaten him
01:21 schestowitz-TR; until it 'worked' in 2018
01:21 schestowitz-TR; shortly after ICBM bought the company
01:22 schestowitz-TR; then a year later, RMS turn...
01:22 schestowitz-TR; first with libel over epstein
01:22 schestowitz-TR; 1.5 years later a bunch of isms
01:22 schestowitz-TR; now we have that same troll here in irc
01:22 schestowitz-TR; pretending to be oppressed
01:22 schestowitz-TR; while bagging 6-figure salaries
01:23 schestowitz-TR; he's also stalking and breaking our sole IRC rule
01:23 schestowitz-TR; which is don't threaten people
01:23 schestowitz-TR; we made that rule in 2009
01:23 schestowitz-TR; it's in the wiki somewhere
01:24 psydruid; a pathetic excuse for a human being
01:24 TR News; Links 07/04/2022: Emacs 28.1 and Linux Mint 21 is Named | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/linux-mint-21-is-named/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/06/linux-mint-21-is-named/
01:24 TR Bot; Links 07/04/2022: Emacs 28.1 and Linux Mint 21 is Named | Techrights
01:24 schestowitz-TR; in 2009 is was an ACCESS troll
01:24 schestowitz-TR; who were posting naked photos of people
01:24 schestowitz-TR; to blackmail them
01:24 schestowitz-TR; he was also a seat in board foundation iirc
01:25 schestowitz-TR; major internet troll
01:25 bnchs___; there has been a spike in trolls
01:25 bnchs___; after you published that one article
01:25 schestowitz-TR; no idea why companies hire such monsters and mobsters
01:25 bnchs___; it just seems too much of a coincidence
01:25 schestowitz-TR; but then again, maybe this is EXACTLY what they get hired FOR
01:25 psydruid; because they respresent those companies' "values"
01:25 schestowitz-TR; heh
01:25 schestowitz-TR; they are like the vicious proxy
01:26 schestowitz-TR; from the ousdier
01:26 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft employes people through agencies to infest reddit
01:26 schestowitz-TR; and to attack Microsoft critics there
01:26 bnchs___; do they bribe the mods there?
01:26 schestowitz-TR; it's cheaper than paying fines for crimes Microsoft commits
01:26 schestowitz-TR; bnchs___: yes
01:26 bnchs___; you can literally get shadowbanned for saying some things in reddits
01:26 schestowitz-TR; [23:29] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/
01:26 TR Bot; Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights
01:26 schestowitz-TR; they also bribe reddit itself
01:26 schestowitz-TR; to promote MSIE and Bill Gates
01:26 schestowitz-TR; it's a corrupt site
01:27 psydruid; I have -99 karma
01:27 schestowitz-TR; reddit should be banned mentally
01:27 schestowitz-TR; it's a SPAM site
01:27 bnchs___; they shadowban you after a while
01:27 schestowitz-TR; like "Russian propaagnda"
01:27 schestowitz-TR; but for Microsoft
01:27 bnchs___; if they decide you speak too much
01:27 bnchs___; but you don't violate any terms
01:27 schestowitz-TR; yeah
01:27 psydruid; because I wasn't praising AMD enough
01:27 schestowitz-TR; even the "Linux" mods
01:27 schestowitz-TR; criticising crime is BAD
01:28 schestowitz-TR; criticising crime is off-putting to their advertisers
01:28 psydruid; but I learned something because of that
01:28 bnchs___; shadowbanning is the worst practice social control media uses
01:28 bnchs___; you should be aware that you're banned
01:28 schestowitz-TR; reddit has had pro-Microsoft mobs slandering me for 15 years
01:28 psydruid; AMD is even more of a cult than Intel
01:28 schestowitz-TR; some are Microsoft employees
01:29 psydruid; "muh games"
01:29 schestowitz; bnchs___: http://techrights.org/2015/05/28/reddit-censorship/
01:29 TR Bot; Censorship on Reddit Has Gotten (Cond) Nasty and Silent, Even Actively Silenced | Techrights
01:29 schestowitz; 7 years ago
01:29 schestowitz; before people used the term shadowbanning
01:29 bnchs___; lol
01:29 bnchs___; you see mods mass-deleting comments
01:29 bnchs___; like if you look at a comment section of some thread
01:29 schestowitz; 'hacker' noise is the same
01:29 bnchs___; you see tons of [removed]
01:30 schestowitz; very similar type of censorship in 'hacker' noise (HN)
01:30 schestowitz; they sanitise the world
01:30 schestowitz; for your own 'protection'
01:30 schestowitz; "toxicity"
01:30 schestowitz; crime is not toxic
01:30 schestowitz; reaction to crime is "toxic"
01:30 schestowitz; we need to make the world look better
01:30 schestowitz; protect the criminal
01:30 schestowitz; prevent people knowing about the crimes
01:31 bnchs___; if i remember
01:31 bnchs___; shadowbanning was implemented in truth social
01:31 bnchs___; which was a fork of mastodon or something
01:31 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163441
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01:31 schestowitz-TR; bnchs___: all socikal contreol media is like that
01:32 schestowitz-TR; just avoid ir
01:32 schestowitz-TR; *it
01:32 schestowitz-TR; it's govern not by free hosters
01:32 schestowitz-TR; but by people looking to exercise control over others
01:32 psydruid; shadowbanning the shadowbanners sounds like fun
01:32 schestowitz-TR; through their speech of lack thereof
01:32 schestowitz-TR; they use their 'free' hosting to drive agenca
01:32 schestowitz-TR; *agenda
01:32 bnchs___; alternative frontends though?
01:33 bnchs___; there's either teddit (uses node.js but source hosted in codeberg)
01:33 psydruid; alternative protocols and servers
01:33 bnchs___; or libreddit (uses rust but source hosted in shithub)
01:33 schestowitz-TR; bnchs___: they are all centralised
01:33 psydruid; Lemmy
01:34 schestowitz-TR; it's the wrong way to go about
01:34 schestowitz-TR; Lemmy also
01:34 schestowitz-TR; centralised
01:34 bnchs___; psydruid, do not make me drag out the quotes
01:34 schestowitz-TR; and controlled by few tyrants
01:34 psydruid; Notabug
01:34 bnchs___; about Lemmy
01:34 schestowitz-TR; wordpress.com and blogspot also pose a risk
01:34 psydruid; Lemmy Kilminster
01:34 schestowitz-TR; they do in fact censor
01:34 bnchs___; "Ill have to think about this. Hard-coding it means I dont have to do a database migration every time someone comes up with a new slur. And putting it in a DB table means someone could very easily remove it by deleting every row of that table, which isnt good. I want to make it very difficult for racist trolls to use the most updated version of Lemmy."
01:34 schestowitz-TR; and they 'dox'
01:35 bnchs___; they (once) hard-coded their slur filter
01:35 bnchs___; to make it hard for "trolls" to remove it
01:35 bnchs___; "We are never going to remove the slur filter completely (or add an option to that effect), because we dont want to make it easy for right-wingers to use Lemmy. We can talk about removing or changing specific words, but in general I dont think there is anything wrong with writing "b*tch" or something like that."
01:35 psydruid; lol
01:35 schestowitz-TR; trolls can work around vocabularies
01:35 schestowitz-TR; and still be offensive
01:35 schestowitz-TR; no lists or "Hey Hi" can fix that
01:35 bnchs___; "because we dont want to make it easy for right-wingers to use Lemmy"
01:36 bnchs___; lets admit it, they're as controlled as twitter is anyway
01:36 psydruid;
01:36 bnchs___; "outside of corporate control and meddling."
01:36 schestowitz-TR; technically it's their site
01:36 schestowitz-TR; they're not a punlic tiliuty
01:36 schestowitz-TR; utility
01:37 bnchs___; yeah but it's a "federated link aggregator"
01:37 bnchs___; https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy
01:37 TR Bot; - LemmyNet/lemmy: Building a federated link aggregator in rust
01:37 bnchs___; and yet they like to pull shit like hardcoding the filter
01:37 schestowitz-TR; federated means more than one tyrant
01:37 schestowitz-TR; but if everyone got their own blog
01:37 schestowitz-TR; than people would govern themselves
01:37 schestowitz-TR; and no tyrants would get in between
01:37 schestowitz-TR; they cannot intercept and thwart RSS requests
01:38 schestowitz-TR; they also use shithub
01:38 schestowitz-TR; anyway, bbiab
01:38 psydruid; time to fork it
01:38 schestowitz-TR; social control media = dead end
01:38 schestowitz-TR; more people will realise it over time
01:38 bnchs___; fork it?
01:38 bnchs___; https://github.com/innereq/lenny
01:38 TR Bot; - innereq/lenny: ( ) A more user-respectful fork of Lemmy. Created for https://derpy.email.
01:38 bnchs___; this is a fork, which removed the slur filter entirely
01:39 bnchs___; https://moonbutt.science/innereq/lenny (non-shithub mirror)
01:39 Alternative link; CloudFlare: moonbutt.science | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://moonbutt.science/innereq/lenny https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://moonbutt.science/innereq/lenny
01:39 TR Bot; innereq/lenny: Mirror of https://github.com/innereq/lenny. - lenny - Moonbutt Science Labs
01:47 schestowitz-TR; moon butt
01:48 bnchs___; they're a bunch of bronies
01:51 XRevan86; It's a small world.
01:55 XRevan86; schestowitz: And it is indeed a Princess Luna reference from the pony show.
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02:02 bnchs___; i never got them as much as furries
02:05 XRevan86; bnchs___: The former is a fanbase, the latter is an aesthetic.
02:06 bnchs___; well that makes sense
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02:15 schestowitz-TR; wasm't furries some TV creatures thing?
02:16 schestowitz-TR; the term seemsto have made a comeback
02:16 schestowitz-TR; with another meaning altogether
02:16 schestowitz-TR; the troll from irc used this term to falsely isinuates that rust critics are just "transsphobic"
02:17 schestowitz-TR; even critics who neither know about any of that "aspect" nor deal with it on an ad hominem basis
02:17 XRevan86; "wasm't furries some TV creatures thing?" <- Furbies? :)
02:17 schestowitz-TR; instead focusing on technical and legal problems
02:17 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: yes
02:17 schestowitz-TR; very low-quality show
02:17 schestowitz-TR; or movies
02:17 XRevan86; No, it's actually a toy.
02:17 schestowitz-TR; not my generation
02:17 schestowitz-TR; maybe 90s
02:18 XRevan86; But seems like it's a franchise too with films and stuff.
02:18 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furby
02:18 TR Bot; Furby - Wikipedia
02:18 schestowitz; (19982001)
02:18 schestowitz; they look like gizo the gremlin
02:18 schestowitz; gizmo
02:19 schestowitz; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=B-uYP8o-gvY
02:19 TR Bot; Gizmo Heaven - Invidious
02:19 XRevan86; schestowitz: I used to think it's the same thing :)
02:20 schestowitz; looks modeled similarly
02:20 schestowitz-TR; the microwave scene always scared me
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02:20 schestowitz-TR; they toss tons of silverware in it
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02:20 schestowitz-TR; and cause explosions
02:20 schestowitz-TR; the bad gremlins
02:20 schestowitz-TR; I was a kid
02:20 schestowitz-TR; and microwaves were quite new in residential use
02:21 schestowitz-TR; so you think you have some sort of "bomb" in the house
02:21 XRevan86; Anyway, obviously in both cases the root is "fur".
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02:24 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/04/06/1091018301/student-loan-pause-extended
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02:25 TR Bot; The student loan pause has been extended through Aug. 31 : NPR
02:25 DaemonFC; The repayment "freeze" does not punish "responsible borrowers".
02:25 DaemonFC; In fact, if they have the money to pay anything right now, it all goes to principle since the interest rate is at 0%.
02:26 bnchs; decided to register my username
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02:27 XRevan86; It is weird to see when bronies are compared to furries, because the similarities are not there. Even in the latest feature film (G5) the CGI ponies have a spongy texture to them, even the CGI is not fur-y.
02:27 *bnchs__ is now known as bnchs
02:28 XRevan86; * similarities are not many
02:29 bnchs; XRevan86, cgi ponies?
02:29 bnchs; wtf
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02:30 XRevan86; bnchs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony:_A_New_Generation
02:30 TR Bot; My Little Pony: A New Generation - Wikipedia
02:30 bnchs; ok that is something that i have not been aware of
02:30 bnchs; and horrifying
02:30 XRevan86; "and horrifying" <- It's actually a success.
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02:32 bnchs; really?
02:32 XRevan86; Indeed, they really tried.
02:33 schestowitz-TR; >> | My Little Pony: A New Generation - Wikipedia
02:33 schestowitz-TR; sounds a litle kinky
02:33 schestowitz-TR; either because it refers to a man's thing
02:33 schestowitz-TR; or punani
02:33 schestowitz-TR; buit a man would not say "little"
02:33 schestowitz-TR; either way, they raise kids of some odd things
02:33 schestowitz-TR; I once heard a theory about this
02:33 schestowitz-TR; softening kids
02:34 schestowitz-TR; so that they will never wage resistance
02:34 schestowitz-TR; like unite and fight the ruling class
02:34 schestowitz-TR; singing, clapping and drink clcohol instead
02:35 kingoffrance; that was brave new world "soma" elixir of life -- alchemy lol
02:35 kingoffrance; all anxities taken care of, ... -- network speech about "the world is a business"
02:35 kingoffrance; *"network" movie
02:35 XRevan86; schestowitz: Them kids don't watch enough anime?
02:35 bnchs; anime?
02:36 kingoffrance; it was said 1984 was different, brave new world is people will be distracted, noone will care
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02:36 kingoffrance; 1984 was fear perhaps, brave new world was drugged into a stupor of happiness
02:36 XRevan86; bnchs: schestowitz complains that cartoons don't have enough of a punch.
02:36 bnchs; yeah and
02:37 kingoffrance; so many people say the brave new world model won out over the 1984 "fear" LOL
02:38 XRevan86; bnchs: Surely ~Avatar: The Last Airbender~ Evangelion has enough to emotionally scar a whole classroom of children.
02:38 bnchs; i never watched anime that much
02:38 bnchs; really never watched it
02:39 XRevan86; bnchs: Obvious advice would be JoJo.
02:39 bnchs; ok now jojo sounds worse
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02:40 XRevan86; bnchs: Ghost in the Shell then since we're talking about cyberpunk.
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02:41 bnchs; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(1995_film)
02:41 TR Bot; Ghost in the Shell (1995 film) - Wikipedia
02:41 bnchs; look at that cover
02:42 bnchs; let me guess
02:42 bnchs; it's porn?
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02:43 XRevan86; bnchs: Does it say "porn" in the description?
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02:43 bnchs; no?
02:43 XRevan86; bnchs: Then it's not porn.
02:44 XRevan86; It does have occasional light nudity though.
02:45 XRevan86; So not for kids, so they're doomed to being softened so that they will never wage resistance, like unite and fight the ruling class :).
02:45 kingoffrance; i did once see an article about "softening" kids to prevent bullying/fighting, and they claimed it "works" but im kinda...too lazy to dig it up...it was advocating it. and perhaps mixing ages (not sure how i feel about that -- obv age-based is counter to "merit").
02:45 bnchs; hmmmm
02:45 bnchs; i do rmember something
02:45 kingoffrance; its kind of like outsourcing, you train your replacement. they did/do try to train older to teach younger, makes you wonder what the teachers purpose is
02:45 bnchs; this inspired matrix?
02:45 kingoffrance; neuromancer ^^^
02:46 XRevan86; bnchs: Sounds about right.
02:46 kingoffrance; matrix is mother -- isis :)
02:47 XRevan86; I absolutely can recommend Avatar: The Last Airbender for all ages though. It's insane how well that cartoon is done.
02:48 XRevan86; It's not even a take, it's universally accepted (:
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02:50 bnchs; i remember something
02:50 bnchs; something called friz the cat?
02:50 XRevan86; bnchs: The what?
02:51 bnchs; friz the cat?
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02:52 XRevan86; Black comedy, I see.
02:53 bnchs; i remember seeing it on some movie night, and didn't remember the name until now
02:54 kingoffrance; the theory of mixing ages then, is if someone picks on younger person, an older grade person hovers over them lol
02:55 kingoffrance; so its basically assuming older people will defend younger
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03:03 AdmFubar1; fritz the cat
03:04 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast-iron_cookware
03:04 TR Bot; Cast-iron cookware - Wikipedia
03:04 schestowitz; "An American Dietetic Association study found that cast-iron cookware can leach significant amounts of dietary iron into food. The amounts of iron absorbed varied greatly depending on the food, its acidity, its water content, how long it was cooked, and how old the cookware is. The iron in spaghetti sauce increased 845 percent (from 0.61 mg/100g to 5.77 mg/100g), while other foods increased less dramatically; for example, the iron in cornbread
03:04 schestowitz; increased 28 percent, from 0.67 to 0.86 mg/100g.[18] Anemics, and those with iron deficiencies, may benefit from this effect,[19] which was the basis for the development of the lucky iron fish, an iron ingot used during cooking to provide dietary iron to those with iron deficiency. People with hemochromatosis (iron overload, bronze disease) should avoid using cast-iron cookware because of the iron leaching effect into the food.[20]"
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03:07 AdmFubar1; hhmmm I wonder if my cousin is using cast iron cookware..... will have tio ask
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03:07 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:09 AdmFubar1; my neighbors house caught fire tonight... family is all ok which is good news... not sure how badly damaged the house is..
03:09 schestowitz; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CvvLbGS6AaM
03:09 TR Bot; Chelsea vs Real Madrid 13 - Extndd Hghlghts & All Gals 2022 HD - Invidious
03:09 schestowitz; AdmFubar1: how did the fire start?
03:10 schestowitz; AdmFubar1: I'm researching how much rust in a pot or kettle is too much
03:10 schestowitz; a lot of pottery rusts a bit, eventually...
03:24 schestowitz-TR; something leaks tons of ram in kde neon, but I suspect it's the browser
03:24 schestowitz-TR; some web thing via firefox
03:24 schestowitz-TR; hard to figure out how to redeem lost RAM
03:24 schestowitz-TR; but I never saw it so severe before
03:38 AdmFubar1; don't know... I was returning from dinner and saw emergency vehicles in the distance.. thought I'd be seeing them up a side streen nearby.. only to see wom head up my street. :O
03:39 AdmFubar1; this iron bis.... that doesn't seem right.. is it leaching out through the polymerized coating?
03:40 schestowitz; "A poorly-coded SPA can easily eat up megabytes or even gigabytes of memory, continuing to gobble up more"
03:40 schestowitz; this is so annoying
03:40 schestowitz; the web is ruining the whole OS
03:40 schestowitz; draining RAM
03:41 schestowitz; old: A poorly-coded SPA can easily eat up megabytes or even gigabytes of memory, continuing to gobble up more
03:41 schestowitz; https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/03/gnome-shell-has-a-memory-leak-and-it-might-not-be-fixed-for-ubuntu-18-04-lts
03:41 TR Bot; Umm, GNOME Shell Has a Rather Big Memory Leak - OMG! Ubuntu!
03:41 AdmFubar1; ray: did you install any gtk dependencies into your system? I had an issue with that.. and it loaded gnomes indexing service, it at ram and cpu time like crazy.
03:41 AdmFubar1; it ate
03:42 schestowitz-TR; yes, it took me a while to detect and stop it on this laptop
03:42 schestowitz-TR; but maybe too late
03:43 schestowitz-TR; assuming that's the core issue
03:43 AdmFubar1; did you stop the kde indexing?
03:43 schestowitz-TR; and was tackled...maybe I'll restart and see if that happens again
03:43 schestowitz-TR; yes, baloo
03:44 schestowitz-TR; nepumok, akonadi, baloo
03:44 schestowitz-TR; they keep swapping names of things
03:44 AdmFubar1; check the indexing service via the control panel and make sure it is off
03:44 schestowitz-TR; it is
03:44 AdmFubar1; ;)
03:44 schestowitz-TR; but I think the damage was done
03:44 schestowitz-TR; I've not rebooted this laptop yet
03:44 schestowitz-TR; ever
03:44 AdmFubar1; yeah you will need a rebood
03:44 schestowitz-TR; anyway, I do system update with kernel now
03:45 AdmFubar1; reboot too
03:45 schestowitz-TR; so reboot would be wise regardless
03:45 AdmFubar1; esp after a kernel update
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04:22 TR News; Kubernetes Blog: Kubernetes Removals and Deprecations In 1.24 https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/04/07/upcoming-changes-in-kubernetes-1-24/
04:22 TR Bot; Kubernetes Removals and Deprecations In 1.24 | Kubernetes
04:23 TR News; "So, the songs are perpetually stuck in rightsholder limbo. No one wants to renegotiate the contracts to make a few cents off streaming." https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/everything-or-nothing.html
04:23 TR Bot; Everything or Nothing: The missing James Bond theme song
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04:37 AdmFubar1; this doesn't bode well for ibm https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/07/ibm_securities_lawsuit/
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04:37 TR Bot; IBM 'misclassified' mainframe sales to enrich executives The Register
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05:24 AdmFubar1; was picturing something terminator like... it is more bladrunner like https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/06/shanghai_lockdown_robots/
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05:24 TR Bot; China rolls out bots to enforce COVID lockdown The Register
05:54 AdmFubar1; its about time https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/04/06/file-federal-taxes-free-through-irs/
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05:54 TR Bot; You Can File Federal Taxes for Free Through the IRS | Snopes.com
05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 102.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 322.76
06:10 AdmFubar1; https://hackaday.com/2022/04/05/led-filaments-make-a-retro-clock-without-any-retro-parts/
06:10 TR Bot; Filaments Make A Retro Clock Without Any Retro Parts | Hackaday
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08:14 TR News; "I have things relatively locked down heremore on homelab security coming soon!but a DDoS isn't something most residential ISPs take too kindly." https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/getting-new-ip-address-dhcp-spectrum-internet
08:14 Alternative link; CloudFlare: jeffgeerling.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/getting-new-ip-address-dhcp-spectrum-internet https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/getting-new-ip-address-dhcp-spectrum-internet
08:14 TR Bot; Getting a new IP address via DHCP from Spectrum Internet | Jeff Geerling
08:14 TR News; "This article is the first of a four-part series on building your own NAS on FreeBSD. This series will cover: [...]" https://klarasystems.com/articles/building-your-own-freebsd-based-nas-with-zfs/
08:14 TR Bot; Building Your Own FreeBSD-based NAS with ZFS | Klara Inc.
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08:15 TR News; NuTyX 22.04.1 Released with Updated Desktops and Cards Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163444
08:15 TR Bot; NuTyX 22.04.1 Released with Updated Desktops and Cards | Tux Machines
08:17 TR News; "The /usr merge idea was first raised in "The Case for the /usr Merge" by Lennart Poettering in 2012. It came out of the systemd community, but was not meant to be systemd-specific, though" https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/890219/12423853bab9657d/
08:17 TR Bot; still having trouble with merged /usr [LWN.net]
08:18 TR News; "We did some testing to develop our own best practices for designing PCB breakaway tabs and published an industry white paper about it." https://www.sparkfun.com/news/4400
08:18 TR Bot; PCBs for Science - News - SparkFun Electronics
08:19 TR News; "Data types may contain secret information. Some of it can be extracted, some is hidden forever. Were going to get to the bottom of this conspiracy" https://bartoszmilewski.com/2022/04/05/teaching-optics-through-conspiracy-theories/
08:19 TR Bot; Teaching optics through conspiracy theories | Bartosz Milewski's Programming Cafe
08:19 TR News; "Though you should expect normalization to be efficient, it is unlikely to be computationally free. Thus you should not repeatedly normalize your strings, as I have done." https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/05/string-representations-are-not-unique-learn-to-normalize/
08:19 Alternative link; CloudFlare: lemire.me | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/05/string-representations-are-not-unique-learn-to-normalize/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/05/string-representations-are-not-unique-learn-to-normalize/
08:19 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/05/string-representations-are-not-unique-learn-to-normalize/ )
08:21 TR News; "The fact we're talking about shell scripts for something critical means that the battle for reliability was lost a long time ago." https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2022/04/05/pipe/
08:21 TR Bot; That simple script is still someone's bad day
08:21 TR News; "Like computer circuit boards, many American cities are organised in a grid. People flow through them in vast numbers." https://theconversation.com/growing-up-in-a-city-can-harm-your-spatial-skills-new-research-180046
08:21 TR Bot; Growing up in a city can harm your spatial skills new research
08:22 TR News; "I was less surprised. We at the Science Media Centre (SMC) had noticed during the pandemic that some universities that were extremely proactive in research communications were missing in action." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/pandemic-was-missed-opportunity-science-advocacy
08:22 TR Bot; Pandemic a missed opportunity for science advocacy | Times Higher Education (THE)
08:24 TR News; normie https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/normie: Source: RobBraxmanTech
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08:24 TR Bot; 10 Signs of a Tech Normie!
08:24 TR News; iophk: no penalties yet for those that deploy MS products in production situations https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-robotics-february-march-2022
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08:24 TR Bot; State of Robotics February & March 2022 | Ubuntu
08:26 TR News; "The BSD stuff was just the product of a different time. Today, a university would try to figure out a way to monetize it and it would end with nobody wanting to use a copy and then everyone forgetting about it." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-060422.html#tApr%2006%2012:53:18
08:26 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, April 06, 2022
08:27 TR News; Clown computing + buzzwords = self-harm https://www.csoonline.com/article/3656788/attackers-create-malware-for-serverless-computing-platforms-like-aws-lambda.html
08:27 TR Bot; Attackers create malware for serverless computing platforms like AWS Lambda | CSO Online
08:30 TR News; Biden priority: protect oligarchs https://truthout.org/articles/bidens-2023-budget-could-have-made-child-care-free-instead-it-boosts-police/
08:30 Alternative link; CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/bidens-2023-budget-could-have-made-child-care-free-instead-it-boosts-police/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/bidens-2023-budget-could-have-made-child-care-free-instead-it-boosts-police/
08:30 TR Bot; Biden's 2023 Budget Could Have Made Child Care Free. Instead, It Boosts Police.
08:31 TR News; "But those will still be TVs, and this is a monitor." https://www.theverge.com/23011794/alienware-aw3423dw-review-qd-oled-curved-gaming-pc-monitor
08:31 TR Bot; Alienware AW3423DW QD-OLED review: the gaming display to beat - The Verge
08:34 TR News; "Now tracking has shifted to what is known as first party tracking." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/online-tracking-privacy.html
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08:34 TR Bot; How Youre Still Being Tracked on the Internet - The New York Times
08:34 TR News; "The European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruled today in Luxembourg that general and indiscriminate data retention is inadmissible even for the purpose of combating serious crimes. MEP and civil rights activist Dr. Patrick Breyer (Pirate Party) comments: [...]" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/patrick-breyer-data-retention-is-dead-stop-trying-to-resurrect-it/
08:34 TR Bot; Patrick Breyer: Data retention is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it! Patrick Breyer
08:35 TR News; Zuck's own fakecoins https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/6/23013896/meta-facebook-zuck-bucks-finance-financial-services-products
08:35 TR Bot; Meta is reportedly making Zuck Bucks - The Verge
08:41 TR News; Windows TCO https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3260807-demand-for-cyber-threat-intel-growing-white-house-official-says/
08:41 TR Bot; Demand for cyber threat intel growing, White House official says | The Hill
08:43 TR News; "The only problem is that both clips were taken out of context" https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-obama-white-house-visit-biden-1333556/
08:43 Alternative link; CloudFlare: rollingstone.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-obama-white-house-visit-biden-1333556/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-obama-white-house-visit-biden-1333556/
08:43 TR Bot; Fox News Doctors Clips of Joe Biden and Barack Obama - Rolling Stone
08:43 TR News; "And while there is no evidence that the misinformation campaign has had any discernible effect on the conflict" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/us/politics/ukraine-russia-hackers.html
08:43 Alternative link; CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/us/politics/ukraine-russia-hackers.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/us/politics/ukraine-russia-hackers.html
08:43 TR Bot; Hackers Fake Claims of Ukrainian Surrender Arent Fooling Anyone. So Whats Their Goal? - The New York Times
08:43 TR News; "Pinterest will prohibit ads and posts that feature climate misinformation" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/pinterest-climate-misinformation.html
08:43 Alternative link; CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/pinterest-climate-misinformation.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/pinterest-climate-misinformation.html
08:43 TR Bot; Pinterest Bans Climate Misinformation From Posts and Ads - The New York Times
08:44 TR News; Twitter = oligarchs' propaganda https://www.searchenginejournal.com/elon-musk-twitter-impact/444860/
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08:44 TR Bot; What Does Elon Musk's Twitter Look Like For Digital Marketers?
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08:48 TR News; WikiLeaks https://itwire.com/strategy/wikileaks-marks-12-years-since-release-of-collateral-murder-video.html
↺ https://itwire.com/strategy/wikileaks-marks-12-years-since-release-of-collateral-murder-video.html
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08:48 TR Bot; - WikiLeaks marks 12 years since release of Collateral Murder video
08:49 TR News; GulagTube of 2022, unlike 2010, would have immediately suspended Wikileaks' account for uploading the Collateral Murder video. Gulag = imperialism, censorship, oppression, brainwash.
08:50 TR News; "Each year, thousands of aspiring truck drivers sign up for training with some of the nations biggest freight haulers." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/business/economy/trucker-training.html
08:50 Alternative link; CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/business/economy/trucker-training.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/business/economy/trucker-training.html
08:50 TR Bot; Truck Drivers On-the-Job Training Can Be Costly if They Quit - The New York Times
08:50 TR News; "It's really damaging to the songwriting industry." https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-61006984
08:50 Alternative link; CloudFlare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-61006984 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-61006984
08:50 TR Bot; Sheeran wins Shape of You copyright case and hits out at 'baseless' claims - BBC News
08:52 TR News; "He claimed Sheerans lawyers brought the legal proceedings" https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/ed-sheeran-wins-high-court-copyright-battle-with-sami-switch-over-shape-of-you-3642662
08:52 Alternative link; CloudFlare: scotsman.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/ed-sheeran-wins-high-court-copyright-battle-with-sami-switch-over-shape-of-you-3642662 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/ed-sheeran-wins-high-court-copyright-battle-with-sami-switch-over-shape-of-you-3642662
08:52 TR Bot; Sheeran wins High Court copyright battle with Sami Switch over Shape Of You | The Scotsman
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08:55 TR News; "The judge found Sheeran had not even heard the Oh Why song before writing his own hit" https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ed-sheeran-copyright-row-shape-of-you-sami-switch-london-b992710.html
08:55 TR Bot; Ed Sheeran wins copyright battle with Sami Switch over Shape Of You | Evening Standard
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08:55 TR News; The use of the first four notes of the rising minor pentatonic scale for the melody is so short, simple, commonplace and obvious in the context of the rest of the song" https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ed-sheeran-wins-copyright-lawsuit-in-the-uk/
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08:55 TR Bot; Ed Sheeran wins copyright lawsuit in the UK - Music Business Worldwide
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08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 46.15 k/sec., IPFS upstream 127.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 321.43
09:01 SomeH4x0r; In videogames at least, people talk about "supporting the developer" by "buying" a game, however for the games I like, I want the developers (when they are the same people as the publisher) better to be dead, so that they don't attack people with copyright shit
09:01 SomeH4x0r; though gamedev is long dead for me
09:03 activelow; pardon?
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09:07 SomeH4x0r; I'm unable to enjoy most newer games (as they at least won't run on my hardware), physical copies are now rare, and updates bring shit often
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09:09 TR News; Cory Doctorow https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/06/open-minds-podcast-cory-doctorow/
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09:09 TR Bot; Open Minds Podcast: Cory Doctorow, Science Fiction Author, Journalist and Tech Activist - Creative Commons
09:09 TR News; "We are pleased to present the 2021 Creative Commons State of the Commons Annual Report." https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/05/2021-annual-report/
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09:09 TR Bot; Creative Commons 2021 State of the Commons Annual Report - Creative Commons
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09:12 TR News; Social control media is a passing fad https://truthout.org/articles/two-of-the-brains-behind-trumps-failing-social-media-company-abruptly-resign/
09:12 Alternative link; CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/two-of-the-brains-behind-trumps-failing-social-media-company-abruptly-resign/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/two-of-the-brains-behind-trumps-failing-social-media-company-abruptly-resign/
09:12 TR Bot; Two of the "Brains" Behind Trump's Failing Social Media Company Abruptly Resign
09:13 TR News; Putin destroyed evidence of Nazi crimes: Meduza talks to historian Gregory Aimaro-Parmut about the destruction of Chernihivs SBU archive https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/putin-destroyed-evidence-of-nazi-crimes
09:13 Alternative link; CloudFlare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/putin-destroyed-evidence-of-nazi-crimes https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/putin-destroyed-evidence-of-nazi-crimes
09:13 TR Bot; NO TITLE
09:15 TR News; "One way to keep yourself more secure on the web is by using multi-factor authentication." Not quite; in many cases, the way it's implemented does more harm than good. But they use it to harvest data. https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/securing-your-accounts-is-difficult-this-is-what-you-should-know-about-multi-factor-authentication/
09:15 Alternative link; CloudFlare: privateinternetaccess.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/securing-your-accounts-is-difficult-this-is-what-you-should-know-about-multi-factor-authentication/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/securing-your-accounts-is-difficult-this-is-what-you-should-know-about-multi-factor-authentication/
09:15 TR Bot; Securing Your Accounts Is Difficult. This Is What You Should Know About Multi-Factor Authentication.
09:18 TR News; More good reasons to self-host all your stuff, stop outsourcing to companies that 1) don't care about you. 2) work for regimes. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/latest-threat-independent-online-creators-filter-mandate-bill
09:18 TR Bot; The Latest Threat to Independent Online Creators Is the Filter Mandate Bill | Electronic Frontier Foundation
09:19 TR News; "We enjoy access to cheap stuff because of the mass market for things like mice, keyboards, and cell phones." "https://hackaday.com/2022/04/06/accessible-arduino-mouse-helps/
09:19 TR Bot; Arduino Mouse Helps | Hackaday
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09:23 TR News; "Today is a day of housecleaning. I splited tinylog file into two, current and archive for 2021. I restarted my VPS (uptime about half year)." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi
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09:25 TR News; "Controllers haven't seen much change over the past decade or two." They just get more expensive, harder to repair etc. gemini://low-key.me/gemlog/psa-dualsense-pc.gmi
09:26 TR News; "Im getting the vibe that MMT is falling out of vogue in Sweden and that interest rates are gonna be jacked up. Maybe well know for sure in three weeks after the next Riksbank meeting. But theyre giving up on trying to stem inflation." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/growth
09:27 TR News; Fudging Designers gemini://idiomdrottning.org/fudging-designers
09:30 TR News; On polarization https://www.mintpressnews.com/cancel-culture-and-polarization-in-the-age-of-covid-how-to-agree-to-disagree/280156/
09:30 Alternative link; CloudFlare: mintpressnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.mintpressnews.com/cancel-culture-and-polarization-in-the-age-of-covid-how-to-agree-to-disagree/280156/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.mintpressnews.com/cancel-culture-and-polarization-in-the-age-of-covid-how-to-agree-to-disagree/280156/
09:30 TR Bot; Cancel Culture and Polarization in the Age of COVID: How To Agree To Disagree
09:31 TR News; SweatshopZone https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/say-it-pride-pushback-after-psaki-walks-back-biden-amazon-union-remarks
09:31 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/say-it-pride-pushback-after-psaki-walks-back-biden-amazon-union-remarks https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/say-it-pride-pushback-after-psaki-walks-back-biden-amazon-union-remarks
09:31 TR Bot; 'Say It With Pride': Pushback After Psaki Walks Back Biden Amazon Union Remarks
09:32 TR News; Pinterest https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/pinterest-applauded-plan-combat-climate-misinformation
09:32 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/pinterest-applauded-plan-combat-climate-misinformation https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/pinterest-applauded-plan-combat-climate-misinformation
09:32 TR Bot; Pinterest Applauded for Plan to Combat Climate Misinformation
09:34 TR News; "Far-right and authoritarian leaders in the U.S. and Russia are pushing the planet toward "the most dangerous point in human history," renowned scholar Noam Chomsky said in an interview published by The New Statesman Wednesday" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/most-dangerous-point-human-history-looming-warns-noam-chomsky-0
09:34 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/most-dangerous-point-human-history-looming-warns-noam-chomsky-0 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/most-dangerous-point-human-history-looming-warns-noam-chomsky-0
09:34 TR Bot; 'Most Dangerous Point in Human History' Looming, Warns Noam Chomsky
09:36 TR News; These patents continue to kill millions of people for profit https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/06/poverty-pre-condition-underlying-covid-19-mortality
09:36 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/06/poverty-pre-condition-underlying-covid-19-mortality https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/06/poverty-pre-condition-underlying-covid-19-mortality
09:36 TR Bot; Opinion | Poverty: The Pre-Condition Underlying Covid-19 Mortality | Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II
09:38 TR News; This is the priority of police in Spain? https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/
↺ https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/
09:38 Alternative link; CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/
09:38 TR Bot; LaLiga's Anti-Piracy Tools Led To Two More Pirate IPTV Arrests * TorrentFreak
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09:39 TR News; "UK media giant Sky has asked [Microsoft] to remove the website... [Microsoft] responded by taking a CucoTV repository offline." https://torrentfreak.com/sky-tries-to-remove-pirate-iptv-app-cucotv-from-github-220406/
09:39 Alternative link; CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/sky-tries-to-remove-pirate-iptv-app-cucotv-from-github-220406/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/sky-tries-to-remove-pirate-iptv-app-cucotv-from-github-220406/
09:39 TR Bot; Tries to Remove 'Pirate' IPTV App "CucoTV" from GitHub * TorrentFreak
09:47 TR News; DMCA https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/vosburg-v-putney-leg-amputations-and-the-overly-censorial-dmca-notice/
09:47 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/vosburg-v-putney-leg-amputations-and-the-overly-censorial-dmca-notice/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/vosburg-v-putney-leg-amputations-and-the-overly-censorial-dmca-notice/
09:47 TR Bot; V. Putney, Leg Amputations, And The Overly-Censorial DMCA Notice | Techdirt
09:48 TR News; DirecTV https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/directv-ignores-gop-pressure-kicks-oan-off-its-cable-lineup/
09:48 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/directv-ignores-gop-pressure-kicks-oan-off-its-cable-lineup/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/directv-ignores-gop-pressure-kicks-oan-off-its-cable-lineup/
09:48 TR Bot; Ignores GOP Pressure, Kicks OAN Off Its Cable Lineup | Techdirt
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09:49 TR News; Microsoft Hasnt Changed Since the YouTube-DL Takedown | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/takedowns-through-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/takedowns-through-microsoft/
09:49 TR Bot; Microsoft Hasnt Changed Since the YouTube-DL Takedown | Techrights
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09:59 TR News; Linux.com So Poorly Managed by Linux Foundation That Now Theyre Double-Posting (Same Post Twice, Not Corrected) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/linux-com-double-post/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/linux-com-double-post/
09:59 TR Bot; Linux.com So Poorly Managed by Linux Foundation That Now Theyre Double-Posting (Same Post Twice, Not Corrected) | Techrights
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10:06 TR News; An introduction to pvpanic https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/an-introduction-to-pvpanic
10:06 Alternative link; CloudFlare: oracle.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/an-introduction-to-pvpanic https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/an-introduction-to-pvpanic
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10:10 TR News; SCOTUS appointments covered under "politics" sections. Just to remind you what US courts are really like, even the highest one.
10:12 TR News; Tech does not always improve lives https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/court-says-texas-drone-law-violates-the-first-amendment/
10:12 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/court-says-texas-drone-law-violates-the-first-amendment/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/court-says-texas-drone-law-violates-the-first-amendment/
10:14 TR News; Oligarchs' social control: make lists, scare people https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/non-starter-critics-slam-amtrak-request-dhs-watchlist-screening-passengers
10:14 Alternative link; CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/non-starter-critics-slam-amtrak-request-dhs-watchlist-screening-passengers https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/non-starter-critics-slam-amtrak-request-dhs-watchlist-screening-passengers
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10:15 TR News; Transportation Safety Administration (TSA): hiring pedophiles who uses the job to get access to children (touching them). I reported one case to TSA and they didn't even reply, let alone did something about it...
10:19 TR News; When Rupert Murdoch controls the media https://www.desmog.com/2022/04/06/the-suns-pro-fracking-poll-was-paid-for-by-climate-denial-group/
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10:19 Alternative link; CloudFlare: desmog.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.desmog.com/2022/04/06/the-suns-pro-fracking-poll-was-paid-for-by-climate-denial-group/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.desmog.com/2022/04/06/the-suns-pro-fracking-poll-was-paid-for-by-climate-denial-group/
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10:22 TR News; "its wrong for politicians to promise to punish companies for their speech." Companies are not people; they haven't free speech rights https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/its-wrong-for-politicians-to-announce-plans-to-punish-companies-for-speech-no-matter-who-does-it/
10:22 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/its-wrong-for-politicians-to-announce-plans-to-punish-companies-for-speech-no-matter-who-does-it/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/its-wrong-for-politicians-to-announce-plans-to-punish-companies-for-speech-no-matter-who-does-it/
10:33 psydruid; free software game development is the only solution to the whole game industry being or becoming malicious
10:33 psydruid; Microsoft keeps trying to sell this junk
10:34 psydruid; https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/internet-of-things-blog/announcing-public-preview-for-nxp-i-mx-8m-on-windows-10-iot/ba-p/3271854
10:34 Alternative link; CloudFlare: microsoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/internet-of-things-blog/announcing-public-preview-for-nxp-i-mx-8m-on-windows-10-iot/ba-p/3271854 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/internet-of-things-blog/announcing-public-preview-for-nxp-i-mx-8m-on-windows-10-iot/ba-p/3271854
10:34 schestowitz-TR; lol
10:34 schestowitz-TR; "iot"
10:34 schestowitz-TR; yotyotyotyotyot
10:34 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft ID IoT
10:36 schestowitz-TR; 2025: Microsoft is a IoT company, it bough a bunch of firms with "IoT" in their name
10:36 schestowitz-TR; 2027: Azure is "IoT" market leader, they bought some OS inside devices, rebranded it Azure
10:37 schestowitz-TR; 2030: Elop joins Samsung as CEO
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10:38 TR News; Elive 3.8.27 beta released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163445
10:38 TR News; 7 Best Free and Open Source Firewall Tools Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163446
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10:38 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
10:40 TR News; Microsoft Windows https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/04/the-original-apt-advanced-persistent-teenagers/
10:40 TR Bot; The Original APT: Advanced Persistent Teenagers Krebs on Security
10:40 TR News; Guess who pays https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/jury-awards-14-million-to-anti-police-brutality-protesters-who-were-brutalized-by-colorado-police-officers
10:40 Alternative link; CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/jury-awards-14-million-to-anti-police-brutality-protesters-who-were-brutalized-by-colorado-police-officers https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/jury-awards-14-million-to-anti-police-brutality-protesters-who-were-brutalized-by-colorado-police-officers
10:40 TR Bot; Awards $14 Million To Anti-Police Brutality Protesters Who Were Brutalized By Colorado Police Officers | Techdirt
10:43 psydruid; the only thing that can be done about such hardware is to rip the ID IoT out of the thing and make it ID IoT-proof
10:44 schestowitz-TR; haha
10:46 TR News; Vivaldi 5.2 Adds a Reading List Panel & New Privacy Statistics Bar http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163414#comment-33296
10:46 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
10:47 TR News; Linux Mint's upcoming Upgrade tool makes upgrades a lot easier http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163423#comment-33297
10:47 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Will Be Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, New Upgrade Tool in the Works | Tux Machines
10:49 TR News; Released: SmartOS 20220407 http://smartos.org/
10:49 TR Bot; Joyent
10:52 TR News; The EPOs administration continues to enjoy the medias apathy or silence; not a word is being said about EPO scandals, let alone strikes and industrial actions; todays 20-minute video is one of many to come http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/granted-patents-pr/
10:52 TR Bot; When Most Granted Patents (and Fake Growth) Are Just Software Patents and EPO Joins the Club | Techrights
10:53 TR News; The Linux Foundation has turned Linux.com, once a thriving hub for news about GNU/Linux, into a graveyard; this is what Linux.com looks like this morning http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/linux-com-double-post/
10:53 TR Bot; Linux.com So Poorly Managed by Linux Foundation That Now Theyre Double-Posting (Same Post Twice, Not Corrected) | Techrights
10:53 TR News; Outsourcing to Microsoft is poor decision-making, as yesterdays news serves to remind us again (theres no due process!) http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/takedowns-through-microsoft/
10:53 TR Bot; Microsoft Hasnt Changed Since the YouTube-DL Takedown | Techrights
10:53 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/irc-log-060422/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/irc-log-060422/
10:53 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 | Techrights
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 671.73
10:59 SomeH4x0r; why could [email protected] appear here https://introversion.co.uk/introversion/legal/website.html
10:59 TR Bot; Untitled Document.md
10:59 SomeH4x0r; the website is not MITMed, and the JS required does not work
11:00 *schestowitz-TR looks
11:00 schestowitz-TR; oh, ok
11:00 schestowitz-TR; well, same thing happens in some mail clients
11:00 schestowitz-TR; and in thunderbird
11:00 schestowitz-TR; maybe even russian quiterss
11:00 SomeH4x0r; *does not exist
11:00 schestowitz-TR; they scan page tetxc
11:01 schestowitz-TR; and if they detect something of email format they then do this
11:01 schestowitz-TR; some parsers just do this to FOLDING@HOME
11:01 schestowitz-TR; and similar
11:01 schestowitz-TR; my guess is that they passed it through some filter that redacts email
11:01 schestowitz-TR; they might not be aware
11:01 schestowitz-TR; report it to them
11:02 SomeH4x0r; they don't respond for months
11:02 schestowitz-TR; look at page source
11:02 SomeH4x0r; I'm waiting until they respond to my other stuff
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11:03 schestowitz-TR; <a href="/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection#b8cbcdc8c8d7caccf8d1d6cccad7ceddcacbd1d7d696dbd796cdd3"><span class="__cf_email__" data-cfemail="384b4d4848574a4c7851564c4a574e5d4a4b515756165b57164d53">[email protected]</span></a>
11:03 schestowitz-TR; CF
11:03 schestowitz-TR; does that mean clownflare does this?
11:03 schestowitz-TR; check ip address
11:03 schestowitz-TR; of site
11:03 DaemonFC; <techrights-news> This is the priority of police in Spain? https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/
↺ https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/
11:03 Alternative link; CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/
11:03 TR Bot; LaLiga's Anti-Piracy Tools Led To Two More Pirate IPTV Arrests * TorrentFreak
11:03 SomeH4x0r; the JS itself is missing
11:03 DaemonFC; It's like the feds. They ran out of crime and started working movie piracy cases.
11:03 SomeH4x0r; so I assume it is not CF
11:03 DaemonFC; They're really good at solving crime and so they ran out of stuff to do.
11:04 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: they should do wall street
11:04 SomeH4x0r; unless some other script is blocking access to the JS
11:04 schestowitz-TR; the REAL piracy
11:04 schestowitz-TR; "<span class="__cf_email__" data-cfemail"
11:05 DaemonFC; I wonder why GNOME doesn't default to centering new windows.
11:05 DaemonFC; "Here, let me just put that as far out of reach as I can for you.....there we go!"
11:05 schestowitz-TR; sooner or later people will realise that the police does not serve
11:05 schestowitz-TR; or serve and "protect"
11:05 DaemonFC; You need a Tweak Tool to set it to center windows.
11:05 schestowitz-TR; it serves warrants
11:05 schestowitz-TR; and cherry-picks the people whom thje plutocrats dislike
11:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Wondering about buying a police car..... Come to think of it.
11:06 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: GNOME is not for you
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11:06 schestowitz-TR; you should learn KDE
11:06 schestowitz-TR; yes, learn
11:06 schestowitz-TR; it has tons of features
11:06 DaemonFC; There's a nice big red detective Crown Victoria over there I'm REAAAALY tempted to buy.
11:06 schestowitz-TR; even I still discover some
11:06 schestowitz-TR; after 20+ years
11:06 schestowitz-TR; kde neon has a very new build
11:06 SomeH4x0r; I don't see the Cloudflare checker website on Crimeflare anymore
11:06 SomeH4x0r; "Query Database" iirc, except it leads elsewhere now
11:06 schestowitz-TR; for my applications I set position, focus etc. per window and application
11:06 DaemonFC; They want too much for it, but car prices are going crazy and with that in mind, it's probably not a terrible deal relative to others.
11:06 schestowitz-TR; so I rarely need to move any windows around
11:07 DaemonFC; I'll drive it down to my mechanic and have them look it over, use it to haggle of they find anything that needs fixed. The last thing I want is a pile of car problems right away and no budget for it.
11:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Mandy didn't like the fact that they all have dials and gauges on them.
11:09 DaemonFC; And not "screens".
11:09 DaemonFC; I said, "Yeah, nothing to break and burn out!".
11:09 DaemonFC; "OH NO! I can't possibly drive THIS! I have to turn a dial to use the air conditioner. A DIAL! What am I? A chav?"
11:10 DaemonFC; "Can you believe they want me to use a dial? Nobody thought of TOUCH SCREENS that burn out and cost $3,000 in 2011!?"
11:10 SomeH4x0r; introversion.co.uk - 52.55.16.22 - Amazon
11:11 DaemonFC; It's getting bad out there and between Brandon and all of the shitty new "car features" and self-driving nonsense....
11:11 DaemonFC; It isn't gonna get better.
11:11 DaemonFC; As usual, with self-drive, mjg59_ is contributing to a great evil.
11:11 DaemonFC; Who the fuck wants a car that "self-drives"?
11:11 DaemonFC; I don't. Hands on the wheel!
11:12 DaemonFC; "Oops, I thought that person I ran over was a bag!" -self drive
11:14 schestowitz-TR; now it is
11:14 schestowitz-TR; or soon
11:14 schestowitz-TR; when the ambulance arrives
11:14 schestowitz-TR; "Wrap it up"
11:15 DaemonFC; Who is approving this? People are being killed by software bugs in cars now.
11:15 DaemonFC; Very soon, if not already, assassinated by the car's software...
11:15 DaemonFC; Unfortunate brake failure.
11:15 schestowitz; DaemonFC: http://schestowitz.com/Research/Cars/Car_Navigation/HTML/
11:15 TR Bot; CAR NAVIGATION THROUGH COMPUTER VISION METHODS WITH RUDIMENTARY IMPLEMENTATION UNDER ANDROID
11:15 schestowitz; http://schestowitz.com/Research/Cars/Car_Navigation/
11:15 DaemonFC; Drive you into a river and lock the doors on the way so you can't bail out.
11:15 TR Bot; Car Navigation
11:16 schestowitz-TR; it's not self-drive
11:16 schestowitz-TR; it's an alerting system
11:17 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Do you think it's fundamentally impossible for autonomous vehicles to be as safe or safer than human drivers under well-defined conditions?
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11:18 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: Do you think it's fundamentally impossible for autonomous vehicles to be as safe or safer than human drivers under well-defined conditions?
11:18 DaemonFC; I don't trust it.
11:18 mjg59_; Well sure, but I don't trust humans either
11:18 DaemonFC; I don't think it will ever be as safe as a good driver.
11:18 mjg59_; They keep trying to drive into me while I'm cycling
11:18 TR News; Links 07/04/2022: Elive 3.8.27 Beta and Microsoft GitHub Deleting Projects Again | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/github-deleting-projects-again/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/github-deleting-projects-again/
11:18 TR Bot; Links 07/04/2022: Elive 3.8.27 Beta and Microsoft GitHub Deleting Projects Again | Techrights
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11:19 psydruid; Maybe some day they'll succeed
11:19 mjg59_; I think it's up to the companies doing this work to prove that the technology is safer than humans before it should be deployed anywhere
11:19 DaemonFC; Bicycles shouldn't be on the road.
11:19 DaemonFC; Also, what he said.
11:20 TR News; Proprietary Software and Security Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163447
11:20 TR Bot; Proprietary Software and Security | Tux Machines
11:20 DaemonFC; You pay the highest taxes in the country right? Maybe go down to city hall and ask where it all goes.
11:20 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163448
11:20 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
11:20 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and PCBs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163449
11:21 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and PCBs | Tux Machines
11:21 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163450
11:21 DaemonFC; Why there are no bike paths and why the city passes anti-vagrancy laws from the 1800s and calls itself progressive.
11:21 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
11:21 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163451
11:21 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
11:21 mjg59_; I think California has tighter regulations on autonomous vehicles than anywhere else, so I assume some of it goes there
11:23 DaemonFC; The only place autonomous vehicles should go is to long haul trucking where it's mostly hours and hours and hours on rural long stretch highways and there's fewer people than necessary to do it yet they find time to circle DC with their horns blaring.
11:23 schestowitz; TIL https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings/computer-science
11:23 TR Bot; Computer Science Rankings 2022
11:23 mjg59_; DaemonFC: You'll be stoked to know what I work on!
11:24 schestowitz; oxford #6 here (only)m https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2021/computer-science-information-systems
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11:24 TR Bot; QS World University Rankings for Computer Science and Information Systems 2021 | Top Universities
11:24 mjg59_; DaemonFC: (We do autonomous trucks)
11:24 DaemonFC; I'm saying this should not be in my car.
11:24 mjg59_; Your car is your business
11:24 mjg59_; I'm not going to try to force anything on you
11:25 DaemonFC; There should also be a way to disable it and make sure it can never turn back on again.
11:25 DaemonFC; Oh, I don't put any stupid idea past Congress.
11:25 DaemonFC; Consider that MADD won another bullshit victory to get sensors to watch your facial movements or the car won't even work at all starting on MY 2026.
11:26 DaemonFC; Because the states don't just pass common sense drunk driving laws like "On your third, the cop just pulls you out and shoots you, and then you don't do it again for sure.".
11:26 DaemonFC; That's what's "mad".
11:27 DaemonFC; The entire reason we have crime is because it's widely tolerated.
11:27 DaemonFC; When you have people on their seventh DUI before prison becomes a serious threat, you'll have lots of people out there doing it over and over again because they want to drink and figure the worst that happens is they get a lawyer.
11:27 schestowitz-TR; the roads are shared
11:28 schestowitz-TR; other people's "self-driving" cars are your problem
11:28 schestowitz-TR; another person drunk-driving also
11:28 schestowitz-TR; those people hit other cars and pedestrians
11:28 schestowitz-TR; "self-driving" cars should bne a hobbyist thing
11:28 schestowitz-TR; like for competitions in engineering
11:28 schestowitz-TR; but BANNED from roads
11:28 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Yes, but the way to cut down on DUI fatalities is pass a law that rapidly escalates the consequences.
11:28 schestowitz-TR; lobbyists typically buy any law they want though
11:28 schestowitz-TR; I worked in that field
11:29 DaemonFC; Not by punishing everyone because 2-3% are a menace to the public.
11:29 schestowitz-TR; face rec is BS
11:29 schestowitz-TR; "self-driving" cars are BS
11:29 schestowitz-TR; they should NOT be allowed
11:29 schestowitz-TR; but corrupt politicians also allowed polygraph
11:29 schestowitz-TR; and other crock
11:29 schestowitz-TR; sold to them y cranks
11:29 schestowitz-TR; so many the accident-but-nobody-accountable industry will get its way
11:29 schestowitz-TR; like they do with face rec
11:30 schestowitz-TR; the british police repeatedly reported what a failure that was
11:30 DaemonFC; I've had to take a breathalyzer test before. A cop pulled me over coming out of a bar. He saw me get in my car and waited for me to pull onto a public street.
11:30 schestowitz-TR; catching not a single person they needed
11:30 schestowitz-TR; just flagging crap
11:30 DaemonFC; I had not been drinking, so no problem.
11:30 schestowitz-TR; it helps sell
11:30 schestowitz-TR; sell crap
11:30 schestowitz-TR; it doesn't help society
11:30 DaemonFC; If you refuse, you automatically lose your driver's license for a year.
11:30 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: We know that humans have a reasonably high failure rate when driving. Do you think it's actually impossible for software to do better?
11:30 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: (Serious question, not trying to bait you into anything there)
11:30 schestowitz-TR; breathalyzer is OK for high doses
11:30 schestowitz-TR; but
11:31 schestowitz-TR; you can also detect smell
11:31 schestowitz-TR; at high doses
11:31 schestowitz-TR; but officer writing down in report
11:31 schestowitz-TR; "I smelled alcohol"
11:31 DaemonFC; And just because you refuse doesn't mean they can't charge you with a DUI, it just means that they have to rely on some other evidence, which at that point becomes subjective (cop testilying) instead of a breathalyzer reading.
11:31 schestowitz-TR; not as proper a protocol as "devices reading was X"
11:31 DaemonFC; So you're actually in much more danger if you're not drunk and refuse the test.
11:32 schestowitz-TR; they don't do binary test
11:32 schestowitz-TR; they get a reading
11:32 schestowitz-TR; if you are sober, then the reading won't be off the charts
11:32 schestowitz-TR; and as fallback you can have witnesses who saw you drink nothing
11:32 schestowitz-TR; if it goes to court
11:32 schestowitz-TR; but if you are black, they might not believe you
11:32 DaemonFC; There's a cutoff so that you can't say "I just gargled some Listerine about an hour ago!".
11:32 schestowitz-TR; because DaemonFC might be in the jury
11:32 schestowitz-TR; along with other racist jurors
11:33 DaemonFC; What about my statement that I would have let the black guy that shot the car thieves go?
11:33 DaemonFC; THe jury convicted him on murder.
11:34 schestowitz-TR; I like videos where they test the driver by asking him or her to walk a straight line
11:34 DaemonFC; He should have been let go with an apology that we have a racist piece of shit prosecutor with anti-gun paranoia who doesn't beleve in right to defend yourself and property.
11:34 schestowitz-TR; and they act all cool while walking like idiots
11:34 schestowitz-TR; and then fall
11:34 DaemonFC; Fucking leftists. They're all the same.
11:34 DaemonFC; You've seen one, you've seen them all.
11:34 schestowitz-TR; anyway, it's off topic now
11:34 DaemonFC; Spineless, racist, pussies.
11:35 schestowitz-TR; unless we talk aboutbreathalyzers
11:35 DaemonFC; So nothing good could have come of that.
11:35 DaemonFC; And I forgot, they tend to be pretentious too.
11:35 schestowitz-TR; you can use your sense of smell
11:35 schestowitz-TR; but it's not a product
11:35 schestowitz-TR; they turned smelling intoa product
11:35 schestowitz-TR; and now sell lots of units to cops
11:35 schestowitz-TR; I reckon they charge amazingly high rate per unit
11:36 schestowitz-TR; for some made in china cheap toy
11:36 schestowitz-TR; costs 10 bucks to make, sold to PDs for $1000 apiece
11:36 schestowitz-TR; graft
11:36 DaemonFC; "I HAVE AN IPHONE HERADERP I'M NOT PAYING MY LANDLORD WE'RE IN COURT! PRITZKER WILL SAVE US!"
11:36 schestowitz-TR; maybe ask Musk to buy some breathalyzer shares
11:36 DaemonFC; Speaking of cheap devices that every tacky run down schmuck has, but acts like they're special over.
11:37 DaemonFC; "I'm on INSTAGRAM taking pictures of me DOING STUFF! Oh there's me at a restaurant nobody cares about! Oh here I am at some place nobody cares! Oh, ads! Noice!"
11:39 DaemonFC; https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-water-tower-place-brookfield-transaction-20220406-ct7ku3cfbvauhe3d363olb6iza-story.html
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11:39 TR Bot; Water Tower Place owner walking away from troubled Mag Mile mall - Chicago Tribune
11:39 DaemonFC; The rich white people malls in Chicago are going tits up.
11:39 DaemonFC; Water Tower Place is a high-quality real estate asset that is well-positioned in the Chicago market, said MetLife Investment Management spokesperson Dave Franecki in a statement.
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11:40 DaemonFC; Yeah, I'm sure that whoever buys it will have more luck with it than the tenants and current owner are now.
11:40 DaemonFC; All their tenants are filing bankruptcy and moving out, just like the other malls.
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11:41 DaemonFC; It's a disaster because the United States had abotu 18 times too much retail space per person and we're in this sort of massive correction now.
11:42 DaemonFC; It was a gigantic bubble, and I knew we were in for it about 20 years ago when I read that figure. That there was 18 times as much retail floor space per person in the US as in most countries.
11:42 DaemonFC; There's nearly 20 square feet of shopping space per person in the US.
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11:43 DaemonFC; That's not set up to survive people being broke _and_ shifting what they do buy online.
11:43 DaemonFC; Walmart is a good investment because it's about the last place people will shop.
11:44 DaemonFC; And we're getting down to brass tacks now where people still need clothes and food and stuff and most can't afford the supermarket or Kohls.
11:45 DaemonFC; For some reason the thrift shops never have anything in my size, no matter what size I wear at the moment.
11:45 DaemonFC; But everyone around me can walk in there and find ten things and pay $5 that year for clothed.
11:45 DaemonFC; *clothes
11:46 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Anyway, the fact that these systems are on cars is raising the price even if you never use them.
11:46 DaemonFC; It gets built into the car and it's another thing to malfunction.
11:46 DaemonFC; Raises the price, reduces the lifespan.
11:46 mjg59_; DaemonFC: I'm not in control of what car manufacturers choose to ship
11:47 DaemonFC; It creates all sorts of electrical problems and the car just starts acting possessed a year or two after the last payment.
11:47 mjg59_; That seems like a conversation to have with them
11:47 DaemonFC; That's the real goal.
11:47 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: I'm not in control of what car manufacturers choose to ship
11:47 DaemonFC; Every bad idea that nobody would accept gets passed into law.
11:47 DaemonFC; Like Obamacare.
11:48 DaemonFC; If you put Obamacare up for a vote, and had everyone go in there and thumbs up or down, it would get cut to ribbons even at its highest point.
11:48 mjg59_; I've only lobbied for one bill in DC, and that was to make enforced arbitration illegal
11:49 DaemonFC; That's what the government does. It passes corrupt and bad laws that foist things on people who now no longer have the freedom to go along with it or not.
11:49 DaemonFC; And 99 out of 100 laws do bad things and take freedom away and legislate what should be personal choice.
11:49 mjg59_; And that might even get passed! https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/house-passes-bill-end-mandatory-arbitration-legal-disputes-2022-03-17/
11:49 TR Bot; passes bill to end mandatory arbitration of legal disputes | Reuters
11:50 DaemonFC; The government needs to be stopped, but it always finds a way to be malicious. If you amended the constitution 100 more times to cut out all of the major abuses of power we know about today, it wouldn't be enough.
11:50 DaemonFC; For starters, the courts already ignore the alleged "protections" that are there.
11:50 DaemonFC; They'd just ignore the dozens of new amendments as well.
11:51 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> And that might even get passed! https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/house-passes-bill-end-mandatory-arbitration-legal-disputes-2022-03-17/
11:51 mjg59_; This is literally a bill to ensure people can be protected by the judicial system instead of being pushed into a corporate mimic of the same
11:51 DaemonFC; Sure, after they water it down so it no longer does what the bill says it does, and carve out exceptions for all the nasty things the lobbyists care about.
11:52 DaemonFC; "Obamacare" was a terrific example of the government "reforming" something.
11:52 DaemonFC; Since the law passed, healthcare has gotten more expensive by a factor of 10, and they find ways to hide it and claim more people are insured (with expensive policies they can't use).
11:53 mjg59_; Unclear whether you're arguing that the thing I went to DC to advocate for is bad, or whether it's good but bad things might happen that are outside my control
11:54 DaemonFC; It was a bailout bill for insurance industries, and now that everyone has insurance, everyone paradoxically pays more, because there's no longer any reason to give the uninsured a "cash discount" because they are a large group who can pass it up and go somewhere else, and the insured have to pay for insurance and then it has a $10,000 deductible.
11:54 DaemonFC; But at the time, it was sold as a law that would bring down your costs of healthcare, and we've never been worse off than we are now.
11:54 DaemonFC; So if anti-forced arbitration bills are floating around in Congress, here's how it will work.
11:55 DaemonFC; One of two things will happen.
11:55 DaemonFC; 1. They'll introduce one with teeth that is not meant to pass, and threaten to pass it to raise money from industry.
11:56 DaemonFC; -or- 2. It will pass, after the industry pays up and says "You need to change this so it doesn't threaten us, but you can tell your constituents you're doing big things here in Washington."
11:56 DaemonFC; It'll be an industry-backed bill by the time it gets passed, if it passed, because they all are.
11:57 DaemonFC; The best part will be is whatever passes will preempt state laws that actually do something.
11:58 DaemonFC; Like the "You can SPAM Act" of 2003 did.
11:59 mjg59_; Well, at least you don't seem to feel like I'm being malicious here
11:59 DaemonFC; After CAN-SPAM, the problem went up immediately, 10 times worse than ever before.
11:59 DaemonFC; Oh, I never try to contact anyone in Congress.
12:00 TR News; after repeatedly ignoring the issue, devoting not even a single sentence to is, Max Walters or his publish finally acknowledge the EPO's crisis https://www.managingip.com/article/b1xgwst1q4cnm4/epo-unrest-returns-should-ip-owners-be-worried
12:00 TR Bot; EPO unrest returns: should IP owners be worried? | Managing Intellectual Property
12:00 DaemonFC; Stallman says to sometimes, but I think he does that out of a 1970s mindset where they still cared about constituents somewhat.
12:02 DaemonFC; Some of them have answering machines, but it's probably just some temp in there hitting delete messages.
12:03 DaemonFC; Congress is good at a couple of things.
12:04 DaemonFC; Throwing an ungodly amount of money around and watching our country fall apart and not lifting a finger to help (because it's not concerned).
12:04 DaemonFC; The globalists won a long time ago.
12:05 DaemonFC; They've erased any sense of patriotism that this country ever had. And they associate the very idea with "terrorism". You know, they say "patriot movements" on lists of "groups of concern to law enforcement". :)
12:06 DaemonFC; If you still love your country, it means your politicians have not done their job.
12:06 DaemonFC; The UN does do things. Consider Agenda 21, which is part of where this COVID nonsense came from.
12:06 activelow; ^ "mandatory vaccination" was REJECTED in german parliament, with overwhelming majority against the Chancellor and government-coalition who proposed it
12:06 activelow; few minutes ago, thanks god
12:07 DaemonFC; They've been looking for a way to take away the standard of living in rich countries for decades now.
12:07 DaemonFC; They used COVID as an excuse to "shut down" and perform "shock therapy" on those places.
12:07 DaemonFC; Now they can open again, and it'll never be the same. In ways that nobody would have accepted previously.
12:07 DaemonFC; Had an "emergency" not been going on.
12:10 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Well, at least you don't seem to feel like I'm being malicious here
12:10 DaemonFC; More malicious than T-Mobile? Difficult.
12:10 DaemonFC; If you don't opt-out of forced arbitration within 30 days of setting up a T-Mobile or Comcast account, you've "agreed" to it.
12:11 mjg59_; Gosh if only I'd gone to lobby for a bill that would make that illegal or something
12:11 DaemonFC; They bury the opt-out links in a bunch of broken redirecting long urls that you have to type in.
12:11 DaemonFC; It's so if anyone goes to regulate them, they can say you had a choice.
12:12 DaemonFC; But only 2-3% of customers will succeed, so it's hard to find enough people to start a class action.
12:13 DaemonFC; mjg59_, The Senate keeps the filibuster as an excuse to not pass anything.
12:13 DaemonFC; The House passes at least 10-12 bills before the Senate passes some version of 1 of them.
12:14 DaemonFC; The Republicans don't really want rid of Obamacare. They keep finding an off ramp. The truth is that they have to go up against voters who are smart enough to hate what the fucking thing has done to them. (smart)
12:15 DaemonFC; So they always find one Senator who will "go rogue" that can't be punished.
12:15 DaemonFC; How do you punish John McCain? He died of brain cancer a few months later.
12:15 DaemonFC; The Democrats have Manchin to trot out every time they don't really want to pass their own stuff.
12:16 DaemonFC; Both parties have judges that nobody gets to decide on.
12:16 DaemonFC; Trust me, anti-forced arbitration will go nowhere, except maybe in the states.
12:16 DaemonFC; And if Congress passes anything, they'll make it worse than that, for everyone.
12:18 activelow; it was many government-coalition members themselves who voted against their _own_ government proposal for "mandatory vaccination"
12:18 activelow; which implies an anti-trust proceeding against the chancellor, normally
12:20 DaemonFC; What? You mean that they took it up just to prove it wouldn't pass?
12:20 activelow; not sure
12:21 DaemonFC; That's smart. What Senators here usually do is threaten to filibuster instead of letting a bill they know wouldn't pass anyway come up to damage the president.
12:21 activelow; the government itself is at stake now; a government-coalition can't simply propose a legislation and see their own coalition-members reject it
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12:24 activelow; typically, such an election is followed by an anti-trust against the Chancellor and the government, meaning the government again proposes the legislation, and then combines it with an anti-trust vote
12:24 activelow; either the entire government-coalition agrees, or government steps down
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12:30 activelow; there had not been any parliament debate or vote about "weapons supplies" yet, as far as "democracy" and "constitutional state" are concerned, in germany
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12:33 activelow; according to the constitution, parliament _must_ decide about military participation in conflicts; yet government "arguments" were, weapons deliveries supposedly weren't any participation in a conflict, and deliveries had to remain secret
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12:34 activelow; anyway, to my knowledge, the "mandatory vaccination" votes were public, with each individual member of parliament known how they voted
12:35 activelow; looking forward to see this discussed in public too, if at all
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12:40 activelow; "more than 300 covid deaths daily"
12:45 activelow; that's ~100000 "corona" deaths per year, roughly the the annual amount of immigrants into germany
12:46 mjg59_; Gosh that's two very unrelated numbers that you're associating for no obvious reason
12:46 activelow; which is related to the argument "mandatory vaccination" supposedly "prevent[ed] health care collapse", since immigration is known as a burden
12:47 activelow; besides, in germany, lack of housing, meaning any immigrant requires some space to live, when population sized increased +3million in recent years
12:47 mjg59_; Vaccination pretty obviously reduces demands on the healthcare system?
12:48 mjg59_; Is your argument that immigration should have been blocked instead?
12:48 activelow; not my opinion, merely iterating over "arguments" for "mandatory vaccination"
12:48 activelow; mjg59_: concerning immigration, there is both _facts_ and my _opinion_
12:49 mjg59_; Vaccination of the entire population reduces healthcare burden more than blocking 100,000 immigrants
12:49 activelow; beginning with the _facts_ is a challenge already, given the excess propaganda and agitation in germany
12:50 activelow; such as, one argument, immigration was necessary for the labor market, with severe shortage of staff reported for healthcare itself, among many other sectors
12:50 mjg59_; If, even with vaccination, 100,000 people die, the argument would have to be that the *entire* immigrant population would impose an equivalent burden on the healthcare system and then die
12:51 mjg59_; Which is obviously not realistic!
12:51 activelow; conerning immigration itself, it is tied to extreme propaganda and agitation, and an ideology which i fundementally reject, not immigration itself
12:51 mjg59_; So what point are you actually trying to make?
12:53 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Vaccination pretty obviously reduces demands on the healthcare system?
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12:53 DaemonFC; They don't force illegal immigrants to take jabs.
12:53 DaemonFC; But they tried to cause Americans to lose their jobs if they refused.
12:54 DaemonFC; They went to court and for the most part, the Supreme Court ruled that they can't push us around like that.
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12:54 DaemonFC; The jabs didn't even put a dent in the transmission rate. More people than ever got infected in the third wave.
12:55 DaemonFC; And pretty much all of the people I know who got COVID in that wave were fully vaccinated and "boosted".
12:55 DaemonFC; The thing is obviously some sort of scam designed to make money off of a very weak vaccine.
12:56 DaemonFC; Several people I know personally who were "boosted" still ended up in the hospital, still ended up needing oxygen, still ended up on monoclonal antibodies.
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12:56 DaemonFC; Of course, since it's so difficult to prove if and to what exact extent the vaccines did anything to help them, most people will probably argue that it "could have been worse" without the vaccine.
12:56 DaemonFC; But that's not necessarily true. We'll never know.
12:57 DaemonFC; They didn't seem to be any better off than the unvaccinated.
12:57 DaemonFC; But since the CDC and health departments deny that there are serious vaccine side effects and won't produce actual numbers and statistics, we just don't know.
12:58 DaemonFC; The fact that they won't publish study data and simply regurgitate what Pfizer and Moderna say about their own products, and celebrity endorsements, says a lot, to me.
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 40.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 113.66 average k/sec., average swarm size 272.38
12:59 activelow; "none of the mRNA vaccines has a regular approval"; Weidel, AfD
12:59 DaemonFC; The government immediately went to trying to force people to do things under threat of losing their job and being thrown out of their home instead of just talking to people and trying to convince them.
12:59 DaemonFC; That says everything.
12:59 mjg59_; Science makes it difficult to talk about individuals, but yes, we can absolutely say that vaccinated people are much less likely to end up in hospital, and also much less likely to end up dead
13:00 DaemonFC; Nobody responds well to threats.
13:00 mjg59_; Severe health outcomes are *much* lower in vaccinated individuals
13:00 DaemonFC; So it's uncertain what they expected to happen by threatening people other than lawsuits, which the fascists lost.
13:00 *activelow smokes another cigarette
13:01 activelow; it's not as if i was keen on enjoying any more of this
13:01 DaemonFC; I don't plan to get any more at this point. The vaccines were a serious disappointment.
13:01 mjg59_; Great example! Not everyone who smokes ends up suffering adverse effects, but at a population level we can say that smoking has a meaningful impact on life expactancy
13:01 DaemonFC; They did not protect people. In fact, there are many with heart problems now because of the vaccine jabs.
13:01 DaemonFC; The more people take, the higher the odds of heart damage.
13:02 mjg59_; Adverse effects of the vaccines are massively lower than the expected health outcome of not being vaccinated
13:02 DaemonFC; Plus, they seem to cause cognitive decline.
13:02 activelow; mjg59_: propaganda lie
13:02 mjg59_; activelow: Provide evidence
13:02 DaemonFC; Trouble with memory and stuff, at least for months after the vaccine dose was administered.
13:02 activelow; 2022-04-07 11:59:38 |NO_ACT PUBLICS| < activelow> "none of the mRNA vaccines has a regular approval"; Weidel, AfD
13:03 mjg59_; activelow: Yeah, because the general vaccination approval process takes years, and this was not a scenario where that timescale worked
13:03 DaemonFC; There's just too many people who have had weird "side effects" that have all come forward to ALL be lying or exaggerating. But doctors will continue dismissing it.
13:03 activelow; again, propaganda lie
13:03 DaemonFC; There's not going to be an investigation because they don't like admitting they were wrong.
13:03 DaemonFC; There would be lawsuits, for starters.
13:04 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Nobody's arguing that nobody has side effects. But the total number of people who plausibly have side effects is very small compared to the number who would have been expected to die without vaccination
13:04 DaemonFC; It's not just vaccines. Once any drug is approved, it's very hard to get it revoked no matter what it actually does to people. Look at statins.
13:04 mjg59_; activelow: What's a propaganda lie?
13:04 DaemonFC; Doctors with a conscience will admit that statins cause memory loss, high blood sugar, and muscle and joint pains.
13:05 DaemonFC; But the majority of them will gaslight you by laughing and saying "statins don't do that!".
13:05 activelow; mjg59_: the covid vaccines were not approved, and were _not_ recommended either by german vaccination commission
13:05 DaemonFC; One of those doctors talked to my husband and laughed about me and said I was full of shit because "statins don't do that!" and then when he went off of them anyway, all of that went away.
13:05 mjg59_; There's a difference between "x causes y" and "x can trigger y in some peopkle"
13:06 activelow; furthermore, "deadliest pandemic in 30 years" was reported for year 2018 already, by german medical journal, although at that time no specific testing was conducted
13:06 activelow; yet, that's all moot to discuss, because this isn't about facts, it is extremist propaganda and agitation
13:06 mjg59_; activelow: covid was not present in Germany in 2018
13:06 DaemonFC; He ended up going back on it, but only after I talked to the doctor and said, "You have him on too high a dose and what the hell do you think you're doing? His cholesterol is so low that he may be in danger from not having ENOUGH, and he certainly doesn't need all of this!".
13:07 activelow; yet, "deadliest pandemic in 30 years" was, mjg59_, without any specific testing for "the corona" (whatever this was supposed to be)
13:07 DaemonFC; So he went back on at half the original dose. He's certainly not AS bad as before. But once doctors have made a decision, they do anything to justify it.
13:07 DaemonFC; Whether it actually causes more harm than the disease itself, even.
13:07 mjg59_; activelow: Covid is a specific virus, which is demonstrably present across most of the planet right now, and which was *not* present in Germany in 2018
13:07 DaemonFC; I ran into one of those fake health department doctors who refused to put me on blood pressure medication and said to watch my sodium.
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13:08 activelow; mjg59_: wrong, it was _not_ tested for year 2018
13:08 DaemonFC; Makes little difference. I ended up going to see a real doctor and getting on blood pressure meds.
13:08 mjg59_; activelow: It was not tested for because it didn't exist
13:08 DaemonFC; So, you know, whether they want to overmedicate or do nothing, lots of doctors harm the patient.
13:08 DaemonFC; The only thing you can be sure of is that there'll be a bill.
13:08 activelow; except for the "deadliest pandemic in 30 years" , this existed, year 2018 already
13:08 matey; hey mjg59_ people are saying you threatened someone, but i cant find any evidence of this
13:09 matey; i suppose its possible, i simply cant get any information about it at all. obviously i dont expect you to help, though no one else has.
13:09 DaemonFC; Nobody is going to tolerate being threatened over not taking a "vaccine" that was cooked up in a lab over the course of "a few days".
13:09 DaemonFC; Under penalty of losing their ability to make the rent and put food on the table.
13:09 mjg59_; matey: Roy keeps falsely claiming I said something I didn't say, and the specific claim was a problem because I teach students, and so I asked him to retract the claim
13:10 DaemonFC; That's how the left is. They go immediately to the threats.
13:10 DaemonFC; They can't argue facts and logic. They go straight to threats.
13:10 matey; oh well he also implied i went on some sort of rampage, because i decided i wasnt interested in watching derek taylor on youtube anymore.
13:11 DaemonFC; If they had the data, they wouldn't need threats.
13:11 mjg59_; DaemonFC: ? I asked him several times to take it down before then
13:11 matey; like that was the whole thing. and he asked me to explain why, so i explained, and then he spent about a year telling people id gone crazy because of it.
13:11 matey; the funny thing was... the exact response i gave is still logged.
13:11 matey; there was nothing insane about it.
13:12 mjg59_; matey: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1458002432898781186
13:12 TR Bot; This is about Matthew GAFAM #mjg who boasts about going to FOSS conferences to find sex https://t.co/1KjexlapKY
13:12 TR Bot; www.timeshighereducation.com | Why did no one warn me about conference sexual predators? | Times Higher Education (THE)
13:12 matey; the world roy occupies is (like with everyone ultimately) subjective
13:12 matey; though maybe a bit more subjective than average
13:12 matey; /me fires up nitter
13:12 matey; no i dont have an account. its just faster than viewing the website
13:14 mjg59_; matey: (obviously the claims Roy makes there are untrue)
13:15 matey; there was a guy with your handle in here who was talking about how roy was "missing out" if he didnt get laid at conferences though
13:15 matey; i read it myself in the logs, a year or two ago
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13:15 matey; or more recently
13:15 matey; im not saying it was you, just that they had a handle that suggested it was you
13:16 matey; im not saying he should tweet things that affect your career or anything
13:16 matey; just that i can see why he is of that impression (false or otherwise)
13:17 mjg59_; matey: You should probably re-read it
13:17 matey; yes, in fact i will do so this moment.
13:17 DaemonFC; Someone did grope me once. I just punched him out and got up and left.
13:17 mjg59_; (It was me, but that wasn't what I said)
13:17 DaemonFC; No police.
13:17 matey; (fair enough)
13:17 matey; i suppose first of all "who boasts about going to FOSS conferences to find sex" <- you didnt say that per se
13:18 matey; you didnt say you went there to find sex
13:18 matey; thats a loose (one might say sloppy) interpretation
13:18 mjg59_; matey: Sex happens at FOSS conferences, and people who don't know that are people who are unaware of the level of community interaction that occurs there
13:19 matey; well im probably closer to you than roy on the prude scale anyway
13:19 DaemonFC; Most people are pretty gross, honestly.
13:19 DaemonFC; And opportunists.
13:19 mjg59_; matey: You don't need to be having sex to be sufficiently aware of what's going on - what I meant by "missing out" is that people are missing out on the community aspect of the conferences
13:19 matey; <DaemonFC> Most people are pretty gross, honestly. <- yes
13:19 matey; <DaemonFC> And opportunists. <- not sure about "most" but... a lot.
13:19 DaemonFC; Also, consider how dumb the average person is, and then consider that half of them are even dumber than that.
13:20 matey; the two go hand in hand (so to speak) because its only gross when its OTHER PEOPLE, DaemonFC
13:20 DaemonFC; So you put it all together, and what do you get?
13:20 DaemonFC; This is a country full of slobs.
13:20 matey; a lot of opportunisma bout people being gross
13:20 matey; of course by gross its most often just double standards
13:20 matey; you poop on a toilet, i would never do such a horrible thing.
13:21 matey; because i do not poop.
13:21 matey; only "you people" do that sort of thing.
13:21 DaemonFC; Hey, hey, hey! In, not on!
13:21 matey; its ambiguous. is the poop on the toilet, or me?
13:21 matey; also its ambiguous because the french refer to the entire bathroom as the toilet
13:21 DaemonFC; One of the first books many people get their kids is Everybody Poops.
13:22 mjg59_; matey: You put a bunch of activists in one place, and some of them are going to fuck. That's how activist communities behave. Roy's belief that that doesn't happen implies that he's missing out on actually being part of one of those communities.
13:22 DaemonFC; That's actually the book.
13:22 matey; One of the first books many people get their kids is Everybody Poops. <- that fact that such a book exists says a lot about how uptight people are in general
13:22 matey; oh ive seen it in shop windows. i know it exists.
13:22 matey; <mjg59_> matey: You put a bunch of activists in one place, and some of them are going to fuck. That's how activist communities behave. <- we are in agreement here
13:22 DaemonFC; https://www.amazon.com/Everyone-Turtleback-School-Library-Binding/dp/0613685725
13:22 TR Bot; Poops (Turtleback Binding Edition): Taro Gomi, Amanda Mayer Stinchecum, Amanda Mayer Stinchecum: 9780613685726: Amazon.com: Books
13:22 DaemonFC; Errr, there we go.
13:23 DaemonFC; For a childlike mentality.
13:23 bnchs; everybody poops
13:23 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, a lot of people never fully grow out of it.
13:23 bnchs; wtf is it
13:23 DaemonFC; Many people I know are stunted emotionally.
13:24 mjg59_; I've pretty consistently been in relationships the entire time I've been attending FOSS conferences, so sex is not the reason I'm showing up
13:24 matey; <mjg59_> I've pretty consistently been in relationships the entire time I've been attending FOSS conferences, so sex is not the reason I'm showing up <- thats fair
13:24 DaemonFC; Like, you can tell that something happened along the way and they stopped developing emotionally around their teenage years. They may certainly learn new things or tactics, but emotionally they're always going to be like...15.
13:25 matey; im in an open relationship, but most conferences fail to attract me for other reasons, so im not likely to find sex (or anything else) at one.
13:25 mjg59_; And I teach students, and some of those students might at some point be attending a conference I attend, so having public assertions that I show up at conferences looking for sex is kind of a problem
13:25 schestowitz-TR; "You put a bunch of activists in one place, and some of them are going to fuck." -FSF AWARD WINNER
13:25 DaemonFC; When you're a child, or at least when I was a child, you viewed your parents through the lens of "This is bullshit. I can't wait to be an adult so I don't have two dumb assholes making arbitrary rules."
13:25 *schestowitz-TR back to writing about EPO
13:25 matey; You put a bunch of activists in one place, and some of them are going to fuck. <- i dont find any problem with this factual statement
13:26 DaemonFC; Then you're an adult, BAM, and instead of two dumb assholes, it's every dumb asshole around you voting for some dumb assholes to go make rules, called the government.
13:26 schestowitz-TR; crude and pointless
13:26 schestowitz-TR; and not even on topic tbh
13:26 matey; DaemonFC <- then they start making them!
13:26 schestowitz-TR; he was muted for turning this intoi "sexright"
13:26 schestowitz-TR; to bring up difficult subjects
13:26 schestowitz-TR; to make us look bad
13:26 schestowitz-TR; bbl
13:26 matey; /me doesnt think this is a difficult subject
13:26 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: I was expressly asked about this topic
13:26 schestowitz-TR; maybe you are in the wrong channel and networ
13:27 DaemonFC; activelow was locked in his house by the dumb assholes in charge where he's at.
13:27 schestowitz-TR; we do social issues and software freedom
13:27 DaemonFC; For not wanting to inject himself thrice with a lab experiment.
13:27 schestowitz-TR; while you'\re busy doing the opposite for personal gain
13:27 schestowitz-TR; bbl
13:27 DaemonFC; They tried doing it here too.
13:28 DaemonFC; Everyone who questions the lab experiment is an anti-vaxxer, even if they have all of their routine adult vaccines.
13:28 mjg59_; matey: Anyway hope that answers your question about the "threats"
13:28 matey; mjg59_ everything except why they consider that a threat, but
13:28 DaemonFC; Because the dumb assholes don't have any other way of framing the issue that appeals to people.
13:28 matey; thats sort of their thing
13:29 DaemonFC; The world has been effectively ruined in the last two years by dumb assholes and a lab experiment regarding a bad cold.
13:29 matey; im not asking you to get in his head
13:29 DaemonFC; By design. Gave them an excuse for corporate welfare and mass layoffs.
13:30 matey; an excuse for corporate welfare and mass layoffs. <- it certainly turned into that pretty quickly
13:30 DaemonFC; They could have cooked up any reason, but to get people really afraid of each other, you say it's a disease.
13:30 DaemonFC; Nobody wants a disease.
13:30 DaemonFC; Suddenly, they accept any alternative to being DISEASED.
13:30 DaemonFC; No matter how insane.
13:31 mjg59_; matey: Eh after he refused to remove the untrue accusation I did get a lawyer to send him a letter
13:31 DaemonFC; The implication that you were in the bathroom stalls up to some hanky panky?
13:31 matey; and of course, everyone who has a lawyer sending a letter here is automatically SLAPPing
13:31 matey; regardless of what the letter says
13:32 DaemonFC; Well, there's a thought I'll never be able to get rid of. Eww.
13:32 DaemonFC; Oh well, just compartmentalize.
13:32 mjg59_; DaemonFC: I'm pretty sure you're still very confused about my sexuality
13:33 DaemonFC; It's worked for every other thing that I don't want in there.
13:33 DaemonFC; I don't really care. I just find the ambiguity of it amusing on some level.
13:34 matey; "It's worked for every other thing that I don't want in there." today is straightline day
13:34 matey; its an international holiday
13:34 matey; which DaemonFC is working very hard to start
13:34 DaemonFC; I don't get how people never get over being a victim though. It's not that hard.
13:35 DaemonFC; Life's too short to be a victim of everything that happens to you, forever.
13:35 matey; thats true
13:35 DaemonFC; Hell, I've outlived half of them and I'm only ~38.
13:35 matey; mjg59_ this is turning into a rite of passage, something along the lines of endless hazing
13:35 matey; or abuse as its more commonly referred to, but one thing you cant deny about the tech industry is it likes to rename everything
13:36 DaemonFC; You know, in the moment I thought about at least a couple of them, how bad they wronged me and how I wanted to go and kill them (not literally, just madder than hell and "Wouldn't it be nice if they were just dead?").
13:36 DaemonFC; Then some time passed and some of them are dead.
13:36 DaemonFC; *I* didn't have to do it.
13:36 matey; /me completely relates to dfc on this actually
13:36 mjg59_; Roy's also accused me of calling him transphobic, which I don't believe I've ever done
13:36 DaemonFC; They don't exist anymore.
13:37 mjg59_; I've accused him of tolerating transphobia, but that's not the same thing
13:37 matey; thats probably a nuance he hasnt given serious consideration to
13:37 DaemonFC; So, when someone does something really nasty to you, jump into the future. Say "This is the past and they're going to fall over dead someday and blink into non-existence. Like we all do.".
13:37 DaemonFC; Then get over it.
13:37 mjg59_; But that one has no impact on the rest of my life, so whatever
13:37 DaemonFC; File it away somewhere, don't think about it again.
13:38 matey; sort of like the nuance of me deciding derek taylor wasnt worth my time anymore and me going on some sort of rampage about it
13:38 mjg59_; And obviously all the disagreements about secure boot and other related technologies are legitimate disagreements
13:38 matey; yeah im sort of anti-secure-boot myself
13:38 matey; i mean, im sure theres some legitimacy to your technical arguments about it
13:38 matey; but as to a matter of approach, we can probably never agree
13:38 matey; and you seem realistic about that.
13:38 mjg59_; Yeah we can approach this from different angles and have different positions on it
13:38 mjg59_; That's fine
13:38 DaemonFC; Well, you know. Lawyers are in business because people can't let something go and so it's like "drinking poison and expecting someone else to die".
13:39 mjg59_; Not even upset about people thinking that I'm actually evil for it
13:39 matey; actually im willing to accept the possibility that secure boot itself is evil and youre merely misguided
13:39 DaemonFC; My sister-in-law spent thousands on a lawyer purely for her own emotional blowout against me. And at the end of the day, it didn't affect us at all.
13:39 DaemonFC; She was out the money, and it made absolutely no difference to us.
13:39 matey; my only REAL quarrel with you is over rms of course
13:40 matey; but its you and 3000 other people so
13:40 mjg59_; But once you're falsely claiming that I do something that's incompatible with some of my other professional ethical requirements, that's a problem
13:40 DaemonFC; Revenge is not a good business to be in.
13:40 DaemonFC; Except for the lawyers, I guess.
13:41 DaemonFC; She's so underwater on her house, cars, and credit card statements that she'll never see the light of day again, and she's trying to resort to paper terrorism?
13:41 matey; but at least you explained your personal motivations
13:41 DaemonFC; I'd pity her except it wastes energy. I just use it as an example.
13:41 matey; <mjg59_> But once you're falsely claiming that I do something that's incompatible with some of my other professional ethical requirements, that's a problem <- yes
13:41 DaemonFC; Someone shooting themselves in their foor.
13:41 mjg59_; All I want is for the accusation to be deleted and a correction to be posted
13:41 DaemonFC; *foot
13:42 mjg59_; Literally all I asked for
13:42 mjg59_; Did not ask for any money or anything
13:42 matey; well i think this is more about pride than ethics or anything
13:42 matey; i didnt say yours
13:43 mjg59_; And then Roy recorded a video that reiterated the false accusations and involved him tearing up the letter
13:44 mjg59_; So, eh, I feel like we may not be in a space where reasonable discussion can occur
13:44 mjg59_; Open to it if he changes his mind
13:44 matey; every year, everything within a 2-continent radius of the fsf turns more and more into the (american) office.
13:44 matey; "I feel like we may not be in a space where reasonable discussion can occur" that is more or less why im here
13:44 matey; because i know it cant
13:45 TR News; GIMP 2.10 review Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163452
13:45 TR Bot; GIMP 2.10 review | Tux Machines
13:45 mjg59_; Anyway, like I said, I signed the rms letter because of my personal experiences with rms prioritising his own interests over the free software community in ways that harmed them
13:45 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163453
13:45 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
13:45 matey; yes you explained it
13:45 matey; i didnt mention it for the sake of rehashing it, only clarification
13:45 DaemonFC; The ShitHub Letter......(Microsoft ShitHub)
13:45 DaemonFC; Where your project can die any minute because of the US DMCA.
13:46 TR News; Linux Mints New Upgrade Tool Aims to Make the Update Process a Breeze http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163423#comment-33298
13:46 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Will Be Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, New Upgrade Tool in the Works | Tux Machines
13:46 matey; i mean if its mirrored it wont necessarily die
13:46 matey; its more like a damn good stabbing
13:46 DaemonFC; It's extremely dangerous to rely on ShitHub because once they close down your repo, you'll lose all of your commit history if nothing else, unless you have it all mirrored somewhere else.
13:46 matey; it definitely fucks with the inertia of a project to be forced to move
13:46 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Uh it's git every single checkout has the commit history
13:47 DaemonFC; If you're only using GitHub as a mirror of the real repo, which is somewhere else, I suppose the potential for harm is limited.
13:47 DaemonFC; But don't let them be your only copy.
13:48 matey; even i dont worry about mirrors, if theyre strictly treated as mirrors
13:48 mjg59_; Someone had to push their tree to github in the first place
13:48 DaemonFC; It'll be a cold cold day in Hell before I trust Microsoft with any important data.
13:48 mjg59_; There's pretty much definitionally another copy of it
13:48 matey; a lot of mirrors are very responsive to "just the tip" strategies, unfortunately
13:49 matey; and thats another thing-- we will use every kind of saucy metaphor we can think up here
13:49 matey; but once someone means it literally! oh, boy!
13:49 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Recently, IKEA threatened the developer of a DOOM port to one of their smart lamps.
13:49 DaemonFC; He took the entire thing down and won't give it to anyone.
13:50 mjg59_; So you're saying that the source still exists
13:50 mjg59_; Including commit history
13:50 matey; /me probably wont buy anything from ikea ever again
13:50 DaemonFC; How do you even threaten someone for telling people how to disassemble a smart lamp and run some code on a processor?
13:50 matey; <DaemonFC> How do you even threaten someone for telling people how to disassemble a smart lamp and run some code on a processor? <- lawyers!
13:50 mjg59_; That's a great question!
13:50 mjg59_; And, hilariously, the DMCA does not give hosting providers much leeway in making that decision themselves
13:50 mjg59_; We said this was bad back in 2000!
13:50 matey; the dmca is a big pile of shit
13:51 mjg59_; Companies that are forced to adhere to the DMCA have to make bad decisions
13:51 DaemonFC; Yeah, I totally ignore the DMCA myself.
13:52 matey; it just goes over your head then
13:52 DaemonFC; Use service providers in countries where it doesn't apply and the notices go right into the trash.
13:52 matey; to your isp or whatever
13:52 matey; Use service providers in countries where it doesn't apply <- that might work
13:52 matey; of course there are other treaties to be wary of, but you must know that already
13:52 matey; unless youre running something on a scale of kim dot com...
13:53 matey; someones sharing files! send in the marines!
13:53 DaemonFC; The DMCA has given rise to an industry of Americans hiding themselves behind foreign-owned VPNs and Tor, and using Pseudonyms to publish things to shield themselves from lawsuits.
13:53 matey; fuck the marines, send in the navy seals!
13:53 DaemonFC; But there's more "copyright infringement" now than ever before.
13:53 mjg59_; matey: Unfortunately it's pretty much an implementation of a WIPO agreement, so most countries end up with something similar that's just less generally understood
13:53 DaemonFC; The DMCA has failed spectacularly and given foreign companies a strong selling point.
13:54 matey; Unfortunately it's pretty much an implementation of a WIPO agreement, so most countries end up with something similar that's just less generally understood <- indeed
13:54 matey; and people wonder why i hate the united nations
13:54 matey; its not because im right wing (which im not)
13:54 matey; the states were content with public domain unless registered
13:55 matey; but in the 1970s wipo finally backed them into a wall
13:55 matey; software wasnt copyrightable either. they "fixed" that too
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13:56 DaemonFC; mjg59_, The US has been the nastiest and most forceful, for sure.
13:56 DaemonFC; I mean, it seems in many other countries, that people figure something out pretty fast.
13:56 matey; well sure. it may let europe fight for years and get tired before it does anything
13:56 DaemonFC; The Pirate Bay has been around for like, 20 years or more.
13:56 matey; but when it does finally show up, it tends to be nasty
13:56 DaemonFC; They got raided a few times, but for lack of any specific Swedish law against them doing what they do, their stuff always comes back.
13:57 mjg59_; UK implemented a bunch of equivalent law in 2002
13:57 DaemonFC; It's essentially like being SWATed. There's no legal underpinning for it.
13:57 mjg59_; We're 20 years into this shit
13:57 mjg59_; Ended up having an argument with David Braben about this in a pub back then
13:57 matey; make the world a better place, send a lawyer into space
13:57 mjg59_; (He's a copyright maximalist)
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13:58 matey; we only get fucked if they make first contact
13:58 activelow; copyright and enforcment themselves must remain compliant with constitutional state and rule of law
13:59 matey; <activelow> copyright and enforcment themselves must remain compliant with constitutional state and rule of law <- unfortunately, this is not at all true in practice
13:59 matey; as lessig can easily demonstrate.
13:59 DaemonFC; All the laws do is force copyright infringement methods to burrow in deeper.
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13:59 matey; he went to challenge ctea on constitutional grounds
13:59 activelow; slight off-topic, nonetheless, most of what "music industry" is distribution is violating EBU standards and public health ("loudness war")
13:59 matey; scotus replied "if this was unconstitutional we would have already said so"
13:59 activelow; i mean, in compliance with law, most of what music industry is selling is in violation of law to begin with
13:59 matey; which i consider a cheeky non-answer
14:00 matey; but i dont have much hope for scotus.
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14:00 activelow; yet, those criminals rather dicuss copying and threats to their business model
14:00 matey; yet, those criminals rather dicuss copying and threats to their business model <- they dont poop
14:00 matey; only we poop
14:00 matey; thats something they would never do!
14:01 matey; poop is concentrated evil coming out of your rectum. if you poop, its probably because you did something bad.
14:01 DaemonFC; The RIAA v. Napster case actually caused an explosion of "piracy".
14:01 activelow; in USA it is bs1770, in EU it is ebu-128r, besides WHO and hearing protection (although WHO isn't competent, RIIAA and EBU are)
14:01 matey; stop being a bad person and you wont poop anymore
14:01 DaemonFC; After the courts gave them the ruling, Napster got shut down. But...Napster was very limited.
14:02 DaemonFC; The protocol sucked. It was inefficient (direct download, basically), it could only (officially) share MP3s, and it depended upon a central server.
14:02 matey; precedents are precedents though
14:02 activelow; i mean, almost everything which is distributed by "music industry" is in violation of law, regardless of how it is distributed
14:02 activelow; furthermore, too public broadcasters funded with tax-payers money violate EBU-128r
14:02 DaemonFC; Everything newer than Napster shares arbitrary file types, from multiple peers, and most of them have no central server.
14:03 matey; per se
14:03 DaemonFC; So the RIAA/MPAA got some more "court victories", but what did it accomplish?
14:03 DaemonFC; They shut down things like Kazaa.
14:03 matey; they drove infringement further underground
14:03 MinceR; it made some fascists feel good
14:03 matey; this is a predictable pattern too
14:03 DaemonFC; Kazaa had a very weak file hashing system, and the RIAA was already poisoning its network.
14:04 matey; in france they used to crack down (literally) on fabric pattern infringment
14:04 DaemonFC; They did more damage by polluting it with fake files than they did by shutting it down in court.
14:04 matey; they would grant monopolies on certain fabric patterns to nobility
14:04 activelow; and, concerning video games, there's certainly one or another public health concern to discuss
14:04 matey; as a gift or whatever
14:04 matey; so in france, if you copied these patterns, you had to pay royalties
14:04 DaemonFC; So then with Kazaa and Napster and others out of the way, there's nothing "good enough" to work anymore, and BitTorrent comes out.
14:04 matey; the punishment for infringement went all the way up to "breaking on the wheel"
14:05 DaemonFC; Suddenly it's much harder to corrupt data in transit, and there's things like PeX and DHT and magnet links.
14:05 MinceR; also, it inspired some ISPs to make their services even shittier
14:05 matey; did it stop people from copying fabric patterns? fuck no
14:05 matey; they could make it a capital crime and people would still do it
14:05 DaemonFC; Yes, ISPs tried throttling it, and were sued.
14:05 matey; people REALLY LIKE TO SHARE STUFF
14:05 DaemonFC; I sued Comcast in that class action, btw.
14:05 matey; even if it might cost them their life
14:05 DaemonFC; They lost and paid a settlement and agreed to quit using Sandvine.
14:06 matey; <DaemonFC> I sued Comcast in that class action, btw. <- nice
14:06 DaemonFC; So really, the big threat to BitTorrent is there's a lot of ways for them to see your IP address and log it.
14:06 DaemonFC; Then they can threaten you via your ISP and maybe (but not usually) sue. If your ISP gets enough DMCA letters, it may well boot you off their service.
14:07 DaemonFC; But you can run a VPN and then open BitTorrent, and as long as the VPN is configured correctly, your ISP doesn't know you're using it. Only that there's something using traffic.
14:07 matey; and then you can go online and appeal it with the virtual court sys-- oh
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14:09 DaemonFC; Yeah, the ISPs have adopted "Six Strikes"-like policies so nobody can accuse them of doing nothing.
14:09 DaemonFC; Especially after Cox lost against the MPAA.
14:09 matey; and this is why i never go to movies or buy music
14:09 matey; frankly the whole industry can die in a fucking fire
14:09 DaemonFC; The only way to be safe from the ISP is to poke their eye out with some sort of VPN or Tor.
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14:09 DaemonFC; You don't want to browse or download anything in the clear anymore.
14:10 DaemonFC; Too easy to get threatened for it.
14:12 DaemonFC; I was reading a lawyer's blog the other day where he figured that porn studios were allowing full copies of their videos to go onto unauthorized websites with the goal of eventually suing people who went there and watched them in their web browser.
14:13 matey; with the goal of eventually suing people who went there and watched them <- except watching isnt infringment
14:13 DaemonFC; There were a few that got caught uploading their own videos. They'll still do that, but they'll take more aggressive action now to hide the fact that it's them doing it.
14:13 matey; you have to distribute
14:14 matey; the reason they got kazaa users is that downloading becomes distribution
14:14 matey; no idea how that deals with leaches
14:14 matey; probably by insinuating they dont exist
14:14 matey; at any rate the default is non-leaching
14:14 matey; and most people use default settings
14:15 DaemonFC; Well, I leeched off of Kazaa without sharing anything.
14:15 matey; thats you
14:15 DaemonFC; Kazaa tracked your share ratio though.
14:15 matey; of course
14:15 DaemonFC; What it did was it calculated it, and the lower it fell, the worse your download speed got.
14:16 DaemonFC; But when you patched it out of the client (it was client-side), you could set your participation level to 1,000 (maximum) without sharing anything.
14:16 matey; leaches of course are only an issue if there are too many
14:16 DaemonFC; Then you always got priority over legitimate users.
14:16 matey; Then you always got priority over legitimate users. <- at this point its just the prisoners dilemma
14:17 DaemonFC; https://www.wired.com/2002/04/kazaa-lite-no-spyware-aftertaste/
14:17 TR Bot; Lite: No Spyware Aftertaste | WIRED
14:17 DaemonFC; Kazaa Lite basically installed Kazaa without unpacking and installing the spyware.
14:18 DaemonFC; Then I can't recall if it was that or Kazaa++ or whatever it was that added all of the features of the premium version and set your participation to 1,000.
14:18 DaemonFC; "PARTICIPATE! PARTICIPAAAAAAATE!"
14:18 MinceR; EXTERMINATE!
14:19 DaemonFC; I also had a program for Yahoo Messenger that blocked the advertisements, added an anti-spam challenge to everyone who messaged me, and protected me from "boot tools".
14:20 DaemonFC; Also, I had a boot tool that let me boot other people off of Yahoo Messengers.
14:21 DaemonFC; The booters were an easy way to sit back and disrupt conversations in rooms I didn't like, or to effectively have moderator powers in public chatrooms.
14:21 MinceR; (audio) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx1g1W7Xm7w
14:21 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lx1g1W7Xm7w
14:21 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Cruel Cacos Thesis - Invidious
14:21 DaemonFC; The booters probably still work with the actual Yahoo software if you still run it through Escargot.
14:22 DaemonFC; I don't see why they wouldn't, unless the Escargot server filters out the malformed data packets before it reaches the client.
14:28 DaemonFC; https://www.extremetech.com/computing/324175-some-tpm-2-0-capable-systems-are-still-ineligible-for-windows-11?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
14:28 TR Bot; TPM 2.0-Capable Systems Are Still Ineligible for Windows 11 - ExtremeTech
14:29 TR News; "Developer Room-C Games working with Croteam have announced that The Hand of Merlin will see full Steam Deck support, as work continues on their Native GNU/Linux version." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/the-hand-of-merlin-to-get-full-native-linux-and-steam-deck-support/
14:29 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/the-hand-of-merlin-to-get-full-native-linux-and-steam-deck-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/the-hand-of-merlin-to-get-full-native-linux-and-steam-deck-support/
14:29 TR Bot; Hand of Merlin to get full Native Linux and Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux
14:29 DaemonFC; While people complain that Fedora is considering deprecating Legacy BIOS support (latest systems came out in 2009, I think), it's unclear as to exactly what Windows 11 will run on "with support".
14:29 TR News; "The original developer who was working on Steam Deck support was sadly caught up in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, with Ludeon Studios mentioning they are now safe." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/rimworld-now-includes-full-steam-deck-support/
14:29 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/rimworld-now-includes-full-steam-deck-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/rimworld-now-includes-full-steam-deck-support/
14:29 TR Bot; now includes full Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux
14:29 DaemonFC; TPM 2.0 itself isn't "good enough" to avoid the "unsupported" watermark, in all cases.
14:30 matey; omg
14:30 matey; /me hugs xterm
14:30 TR News; "Half-Life Alyx: LEVITATION is an impressive looking upcoming mod for Valve's incredible VR experience. Probably one of the best games and gaming experiences, I've ever had. I'm itching to play a whole lot more in this world." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/half-life-alyx-levitation-promises-another-4-5-hours-of-vr-fun/
14:30 Alternative link; CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/half-life-alyx-levitation-promises-another-4-5-hours-of-vr-fun/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/half-life-alyx-levitation-promises-another-4-5-hours-of-vr-fun/
14:30 TR Bot; Alyx: LEVITATION promises another 4-5 hours of VR fun | GamingOnLinux
14:30 matey; copy works better than i thought
14:30 matey; /me must have known this trick 10 years ago but never used it
14:31 psydruid; I like Fedora's support policy
14:31 matey; it works with tk at least
14:31 bnchs__; matey: xterm is actually a vector terminal emulator
14:31 bnchs__; in a different mode
14:31 matey; Fedora is considering deprecating Legacy BIOS support <- wasnt aware of this
14:32 psydruid; I hope some day they'll abandon all of my hardware and aim only for the latest and greatest power-hogging hardware
14:32 matey; matey: xterm is actually a vector terminal emulator <- meaning?
14:32 TR News; ICBM wants people to increase Red Hat vendor lockin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/ansible-plugin-inventory-files
14:32 TR Bot; How to write an Ansible plugin to create inventory files | Enable Sysadmin
14:32 bnchs__; meani guhhh
14:33 DaemonFC; Fedora says that there will probably be at least a few versions where Legacy BIOS still works, but only for upgrade installs.
14:33 matey; ill rephrase then-- what are you referring to other than its ability to use truetype fonts?
14:33 DaemonFC; Once they've blocked new installs for a while, I guess they won't have many people left using it, and can transition without lots of complaints.
14:34 bnchs__; no i'm not referring to that
14:34 bnchs__; it's a emulator that emulates vector terminals
14:34 bnchs__; i mean if you do xterm -t
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14:35 matey; -t isnt supported in this version
14:35 bnchs__; well weird
14:35 matey; maybe openbsd i dont know
14:35 bnchs__; xterm -t makes it emulate a Tek4014 terminal
14:35 bnchs__; works for me
14:36 TR News; OpenWrt project infrastructure addition https://openwrt.org/infrastructure?rev=1649325884&do=diff
14:36 TR Bot; [OpenWrt Wiki] OpenWrt project infrastructure
14:37 DaemonFC; Oh this is great.
14:37 DaemonFC; Something is causing Firefox to freeze up now.
14:37 matey; https://retrocomputingforum.com/t/pidp-11-and-tek4014-vector-display-emulation/573
14:37 Alternative link; CloudFlare: retrocomputingforum.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://retrocomputingforum.com/t/pidp-11-and-tek4014-vector-display-emulation/573 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://retrocomputingforum.com/t/pidp-11-and-tek4014-vector-display-emulation/573
14:37 TR Bot; PiDP-11 and Tek4014 vector display emulation - Discussions - Retro Computing
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14:37 matey; "When I do the restoration Ill get some shots of the internals. It has a bus architecture with the internal boards all wired in parallel. All terminal features are implemented in discrete logic and LSI devices like UARTs, it has no CPU."
14:38 schestowitz-TR; DFC taken down by Firefox
14:38 schestowitz-TR; RIP, was nice knowing you
14:38 bnchs__; matey: that's the true Tek4014 emulator i think
14:38 matey; yes
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14:38 bnchs__; even with it drawing slowly because of the tube
14:39 matey; of course
14:39 matey; because the tube isnt doing a raster scan
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14:39 schestowitz-TR; Firefox killed
14:39 schestowitz-TR; killall firefox-esr
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14:39 matey; its more like spacewar
14:39 schestowitz-TR; root @ gulag # killall mozilla
14:39 schestowitz-TR; -9 even
14:39 matey; "As I understand it theres not even a discrete CPU as we would think of one, but Id welcome a complete description of how it works! I believe it has a simple UART-ROM-and-glue-logic state machine."
14:41 matey; https://retrocomputingforum.com/uploads/default/original/1X/fb39d8fc8963d3a2e2867b44725a2d3aeb824826.png
14:41 Alternative link; CloudFlare: retrocomputingforum.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://retrocomputingforum.com/uploads/default/original/1X/fb39d8fc8963d3a2e2867b44725a2d3aeb824826.png https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://retrocomputingforum.com/uploads/default/original/1X/fb39d8fc8963d3a2e2867b44725a2d3aeb824826.png
14:41 TR News; Perl Weekly Challenge 159: Farey Sequence and Mbius Number http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/04/perl-weekly-challenge-159-farey-sequence-and-mobius-number.html
14:41 TR Bot; Weekly Challenge 159: Farey Sequence and Mbius Number | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
14:42 bnchs__; xterm's emulation is quick
14:42 bnchs__; because it doesn't implement that slowness and shit
14:42 bnchs__; with the added fact of no anti-aliasing because of how old xterm is
14:43 TR News; "I made a thread late last year inquirying about interest in ROCm packaging; in that time I've introduced a few packages amd updated a few existing packages to the latest version." https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/MPOPPUJEEG44ODBW6NRAOCVH6ARRXFV5/
14:43 TR Bot; Revisiting ROCm packaging - devel - Fedora Mailing-Lists
14:44 matey; cool
14:45 TR News; ICBM: 1) be a sociopath. 2) betray colleagues. 3) slander older workers as "dinobabies". 4) be a slave of ICBM "100% of the time". 5) work for the Nazis and lie to the media about it the way IWB did. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/transition-it-management
14:45 TR Bot; 4 tips for transitioning into an IT management role | The Enterprisers Project
14:45 matey; if someone asks you what program can take advantage of tek4014 emulation
14:45 matey; apparently gnuplot can do this
14:45 matey; stackoverflow.com/questions/47691348/how-to-determine-graphics-capabilities-of-an-x11-terminal-window The standard xterm program has a Tek4014 emulation for some simple graphics output. This is however not implemented in most (all?) sucessors, like rxvt, gnome-terminal, or kterm.
14:46 TR News; Fedora is not "Community", ICBM. Quit pretending. You fool nobody. It used to be a community, but you've killed it, then SUED the volunteers (trying to take away their Web sites). https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/community-blog-monthly-summary-march-2022/
14:46 TR Bot; Community Blog monthly summary: March 2022 Fedora Community Blog
14:46 matey; The command line program graph, from plotutils, and the application gnuplot can be made to use xterm's Tek emulation
14:46 bnchs__; xterm was orginally written for programs that don't support the X window system
14:47 bnchs__; and rather draws to a vector terminal
14:47 bnchs__; and it's probably the most oldest X11 program, 1984
14:48 TR News; Git started in 2005. 9 years later Microsoft made a plot to kill Git, same for Linux. https://opensource.com/article/22/4/our-favorite-git-commands
14:48 TR Bot; anniversary, Git! Here are our favorite Git commands | Opensource.com
14:49 matey; the man page mentions -t and -tn and what they do
14:49 matey; but i guess it was compiled without support or something
14:50 bnchs__; yeah
14:50 TR News; GitHub Issues is an issue. It's an attack on Git. Microsoft EEE.
14:50 matey; xterm: bad command line option "-t"
14:50 matey; man page says different
14:50 matey; xterm -t -tn tek4014
14:51 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163454
14:51 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
14:52 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/funny-pictures-4-4-22-1.jpg
14:52 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/funny-pictures-4-4-22-1.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/funny-pictures-4-4-22-1.jpg
14:52 matey; bnchs__ have you tried sixels in xterm?
14:53 matey; LIES LIES LIES man.openbsd.org/xterm The xterm program is a terminal emulator for the X Window System. It provides DEC VT102/VT220 and selected features from higher-level terminals such as VT320/VT420/VT520 (VT xxx ). It also provides Tektronix 4014 emulation for programs that cannot use the window system directly.
14:54 matey; maybe ill try compiling it from ports sometimes
14:54 activelow; i had an issue with xterm, since when i switched backed to legacy unix pty with my kernel
14:55 activelow; *back
14:55 matey; term supports Sixel graphics, but it isn't enabled by default. You can launch Xterm with Sixel mode enabled using command (from another Terminal): $ xterm -ti vt340
14:56 matey; that command actually worked
14:56 matey; i dont have a way to test the feature yet
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15:01 activelow; could patch tmux for legacy pty on linux, and with X11 rxvt supports it too; so far didn't hit the limit of max 255 pty with this
15:02 activelow; out of curiosity, anyone knows if tek terminal or dec vt graphics are possible with framebuffer, without any x11?
15:03 bnchs__; matey: no
15:04 bnchs__; activelow: well yeah
15:04 bnchs__; if you can rasterize the vector input to the framebuffer
15:05 matey; not only that
15:05 matey; but if you can make gtk work on the frame buffer, theres no reason you shouldnt be able to run xterm there.
15:06 matey; or is there?
15:06 activelow; the framebuffer may not be the issue, it's the getty already which configures terminal type, and then any other component which had to output bitmap (or vector graphics?) into framebuffer somehow
15:06 *activelow takes a nap
15:06 matey; it's the getty already which configures terminal type <- what i want to know is how you get gtk applications to display on the framebuffer
15:07 matey; because maybe if you can do that you can get xterm running there
15:08 TR News; Games: The Hand of Merlin, RimWorld, Half-Life Alyx: LEVITATION Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163455
15:08 TR Bot; Games: The Hand of Merlin, RimWorld, Half-Life Alyx: LEVITATION | Tux Machines
15:08 TR News; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163456
15:08 TR Bot; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
15:10 matey; it seems very odd though
15:10 matey; i mean one is a graphics mode and the other is a complete protocol
15:10 matey; graphics without x11 i understand. gtk apps without x11 not so much.
15:11 TR News; "FreeBSD Status Report 4th Quarter 2021, Reproducible clean $HOME in OpenBSD using impermanence, Making RockPro64 a NetBSD Server, helloSystem 0.7.0 is out, lazy approach to FreeBSD dual-booting, going to jail, and more." https://www.bsdnow.tv/449
15:11 TR Bot; BSD Now 449: Reproducible clean $HOME
15:11 TR News; Three Internet Radio Clients for the Debian 11 Terminal Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163457
15:11 TR Bot; Three Internet Radio Clients for the Debian 11 Terminal | Tux Machines
15:13 activelow; matey: 1) xterm doesn't require gtk at all 2) for gtk2/3 the DirectFB backend existed (yet it is broken last time i tried with a recent gtk3 version)
15:13 activelow; directfb itself requires some minor patches too, unrelated to GTK
15:14 TR News; [PATCH v10 00/14] Multi-Gen LRU Framework - Yu Zhao https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220407031525.2368067-1-yuzhao@google.com/ Source: google | gulag
15:14 TR Bot; [PATCH v10 00/14] Multi-Gen LRU Framework - Yu Zhao
15:14 TR News; [PULL] drm-misc-next - Maxime Ripard https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220407085940.pnflvjojs4qw4b77@houat/ Source: kernel | linux
15:14 TR Bot; [PULL] drm-misc-next - Maxime Ripard
15:15 TR News; kernel/git/crng/random.git - Development tree for the kernel CSPRNG https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/crng/random.git/commit/?id=48bff1053c172e6c7f340e506027d118147c8b7f Source: git
15:15 TR Bot; kernel/git/crng/random.git - Development tree for the kernel CSPRNG
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15:18 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> DFC taken down by Firefox
15:18 DaemonFC; It seemed to have something to do with a kernel oops.
15:18 DaemonFC; Press F to pay respects.
15:19 schestowitz; two irrelevant things like a
15:19 schestowitz; pair of balls https://tech.co/news/microsoft-teams-and-firefox-work-together
15:19 Alternative link; CloudFlare: tech.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tech.co/news/microsoft-teams-and-firefox-work-together https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://tech.co/news/microsoft-teams-and-firefox-work-together
15:19 TR Bot; Microsoft Teams and Firefox Finally Decide to Play Ball
15:20 DaemonFC; I was considering trying Fedora Silverblue. I'm not really sure I want to deal with all of that though.
15:20 DaemonFC; You _can_ put RPM Fusion into it, but it sounds like upgrades to a new Fedora distribution will get interesting.
15:20 TR News; Foliate is undoubtedly the best eBook viewer for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163458
15:20 TR Bot; Foliate is undoubtedly the best eBook viewer for Linux | Tux Machines
15:21 DaemonFC; You have to remove the RPM Fusion repo and then install the signing key for the new Fedora release RPM Fusion repo, or else rpm-ostree will attempt to layer RPMs from the old release onto the new ostree image, and fail.
15:21 TR News; Xubuntu 22.04 LTS - New Features and Release Details https://www.debugpoint.com/2022/04/xubuntu-22-04-lts/ Source: DebugPoint | GNU | Linux
15:21 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/2022/04/xubuntu-22-04-lts/ )
15:22 DaemonFC; It seems like you'd be better off leaving RPM Fusion alone on such a system and just leaning heavily on Flatpaks if the RPM you want to layer is not in Fedora itself.
15:23 DaemonFC; I'm not exactly certain who would be using Silverblue. It seems like overly burdensome system administration for questionable benefits.
15:23 TR News; "The SOFA (Start Often Finish rArely) attitude is something Ive often resented in my own self because I wastedor it felt like waste, at the timemy life up to age 26 or so before I had the toolbox to more intentionally and directedly focus my time." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/sofa
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15:54 DaemonFC; That time it was the server.
15:55 schestowitz-TR; yes, it was a purely network issue
15:55 schestowitz-TR; upstream at the DC
15:55 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I'm going to have them look at my car again today.
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15:55 DaemonFC; I think, but am not certain, that I have an alternator that's glitching out sometimes.
15:55 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: it was the network where the server is
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15:55 DaemonFC; The display goes dim, the battery light may come on, and the power steering goes out for a few seconds sometimes, mostly when it's very cold outside, and especially in rain or snow.
15:56 *bnchs__ is now known as bnchs
15:56 bnchs; reidentified
15:56 DaemonFC; Then it all comes back up. It's like the alternator just stops working for a few seconds and then it's okay again.
15:57 DaemonFC; The bearings inside it are making a clicking noise.
15:57 DaemonFC; Just bad bearings alone probably aren't doing it, but it is the sign of an alternator that's potentially already damaged further.
15:58 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Even a total piece of shit car right now is starting at $6,000.
15:58 DaemonFC; So there's some pressure to just keep fixing this thing as long as I can.
15:59 DaemonFC; $6,000 gets you something 15 years old with rust and a bunch of worn out parts.
15:59 DaemonFC; Can you believe that shit?
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15:59 TR News; The pandemic shows that the state is already withering away, just not in the cool way Marx and Engels predicted gemini://beyondneolithic.life/posts/withering.gmi
15:59 DaemonFC; I had someone offer me $4,000 the other day for the Impala.
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16:00 TR News; "one thing that annoys me is that it's currently only capable of receiving mail, not sending it. Again, this has its benefits (I can be fairly certain nobody's relaying spam via my server), but it does have an obvious downside - on the off chance that somebody _does_ mail that address I have no easy way to reply." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2019-08-27-Email-woes.txt
16:00 DaemonFC; It's actually gone up in value by about $2,000 (double) since 2019! Private party.
16:00 DaemonFC; This is what I was complaining to mjg59_ about.
16:00 DaemonFC; These fucking smart cars and fuel mandates.
16:01 DaemonFC; They're making people desperate. Clinging more tightly even to stuff that's really really old.
16:01 DaemonFC; The US is going to turn into Cuba with the cars where people just keep fixing old ones as long as they possibly can.
16:01 MinceR; you have Stupid Cars in the USA?
16:01 DaemonFC; Because they can't get a new one because a leftist government took over and mandated all sorts of stupid shit that drove new car prices into orbit.
16:02 MinceR; (daimler's attempt at making a kei car)
16:02 DaemonFC; MinceR, Oddly, the government is pricing people out of all of the cars with better safety features and gas mileage.
16:02 DaemonFC; So there's no real improvement at all for most people.
16:02 DaemonFC; Trump's regulations on fuel economy and "safety features", rolling them back that is, made more sense than Biden's regulations.
16:03 DaemonFC; Part of the figures cited under Trump was the fact that new cars with all of the mandates would be so expensive it would smother the market for cars that already achieved better gas mileage and safety standards already due to market forces.
16:04 DaemonFC; The fuel economy standards Biden wants are not designed to be practical, they're designed to destroy the car market unless you're rich and can just pay the CAFE fine and get a Mercedes V12 with mjg59_ auto-drive.
16:04 MinceR; something similar is happening in the EU
16:05 MinceR; city cars are practically extinct because of environmental regulations
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16:05 MinceR; and the governments are pretending that BEVs are zero emission
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16:05 DaemonFC; The Republican social policies will win and it will be because of Democrats on the economy and environment.
16:05 schestowitz-TR; omission of power source
16:05 DaemonFC; These people are so narcissistic that they make speeches about controlling the weather.
16:05 schestowitz-TR; batteries are omitted, not counted
16:06 MinceR; someone pointed out that some tank would comply with the EU emission regulations because they get to emit more CO2 if they're massive enough
16:06 DaemonFC; Battery cars are dumb. Really dumb.
16:06 DaemonFC; There's no infrastructure for them and they subsist on direct subsidies and tax evasion.
16:07 DaemonFC; The infrastructure problem could be solved.
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16:07 DaemonFC; But if you ever stop subsidizing them then the market will crater.
16:08 DaemonFC; MinceR, Pretty much all the problems with the economy go to the government trying to control it yet putting in people who are criminals lining their own pockets, and folks who additionally have no idea what they're doing.
16:08 MinceR; the government _is_ a bunch of criminals
16:12 *Disconnected ().
16:14 lightbringer; and there it goes again
16:14 schestowitz-TR; yes
16:14 schestowitz-TR; it's predicted
16:14 schestowitz-TR; if they work on something
16:14 schestowitz-TR; it'll settle down soon, but not sure when
16:21 *Now talking on #techrights
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16:22 schestowitz-TR; it is a much bigger pronblem if it happens when cron jobs go off at 2am
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16:23 schestowitz-TR; or when I'm asleep
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16:25 bnchs__; schestowitz, do you keep restarting the IRC server?
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16:25 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: no
16:25 schestowitz-TR; there is a network issue at the datacentre
16:25 *bnchs__ is now known as bnchs
16:25 schestowitz-TR; 100% outside my control
16:26 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: more details in #boycottnovell channel
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16:27 schestowitz-TR; scrollback
16:27 schestowitz-TR; it causes many other issues
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16:27 bnchs; yeah
16:27 schestowitz-TR; like 20 tasks I'm doing right now
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16:30 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 117.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 300.33
16:30 TR News; HEY HI (!!) camera https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/07/ankermake-m5-3d-printer-ai-camera-fast-printing/
16:30 TR Bot; AnkerMake M5 3D printer comes with AI camera, prints at up to 300mm/s (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
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16:31 bnchs; haha
16:31 bnchs; 3D printer has AI camera
16:31 bnchs; so kewl
16:31 bnchs; BUY
16:32 TR News; Why spent so much money on a PC? At $6500 it's like a car. https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/07/arm-systemready-sr-certified-ampere-altra-developer-platform/
16:32 TR Bot; to connect to 2606:4700:3037::ac43:db4e: Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/07/arm-systemready-sr-certified-ampere-altra-developer-platform/ )
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16:33 TR News; Microsoft trap. Avoid. https://www.how2shout.com/linux/how-to-install-umbraco-cms-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts/
16:33 TR Bot; How to install Umbraco CMS on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS - Linux Shout
16:34 bnchs; wait wtf
16:34 bnchs; cnx-software.com is IPv6 only or something?
16:35 TR News; "SystemReady SR certification includes verification testing of Ubuntu Server 20.04.3 ... Fedora Server 35, FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE, CentOS stream 9, and Debian 11.2." https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/04/p26514933/adlinks-ampere-altra-developer-platform-with-arm-systemready-certification
16:35 TR Bot; Ampere Altra Developer Platform with Arm SystemReady Certification - Benzinga
16:35 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: they had dns trouble lately
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16:36 bnchs; well my ISP is IPv4-only so it might be a problem
16:37 TR News; No, Microsoft (criminals) GitHub page does not impress me. PopOS should shun proprietary software like that. https://www.makeuseof.com/pop-os-release-2204-beta-linux/
16:37 TR Bot; Pop!_OS Teases Intrepid Linux Users With the 22.04 Beta Release
16:38 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: one day all the internet will be dead
16:38 schestowitz-TR; or centralised
16:38 schestowitz-TR; then shut down ;-)
16:38 matey; or not
16:38 bnchs; i don't want it to be dead
16:38 Ariadne; thank u noction
16:38 matey; roy: nihilism isnt the real answer to tech problems
16:38 Ariadne; the answer to this problem is to get isps to properly configure noction
16:39 schestowitz-TR; I never heard of noction
16:39 bnchs; wtf is noction
16:39 matey; /me has never heard of noction, but maybe its cool
16:39 bnchs; now how do you think i'm gonna pitch this to my ISP
16:39 matey; its probably dns-related or something
16:40 schestowitz-TR; network auction :-)
16:40 Ariadne; it's a "network optimizer" that pings IP addresses and optimizes which routes get selected for a given IP
16:40 matey; or something to do with admin acess
16:40 Ariadne; but sometimes people configure it incorrectly
16:40 Ariadne; and leak their "optimizations"
16:40 Ariadne; to the public bgp table
16:40 matey; it's a "network optimizer" that pings IP addresses and optimizes which routes get selected for a given IP <- any privacy / censorship risks?
16:40 matey; to the public bgp table <- / ddos risks?
16:40 bnchs; if i see a buzzword like AI i'm gonna dump it
16:40 Ariadne; no to the first, yes to the second
16:40 schestowitz-TR; Ariadne: logging-wise, one irc user is always there, on the local network
16:41 Ariadne; i don't recommend using noction
16:41 Ariadne; it is crap
16:41 schestowitz-TR; so I can get any missing bits seamed up later :-)
16:41 bnchs; wow ironic it's slow as fuck
16:41 matey; <Ariadne> i don't recommend using noction <Ariadne> it is crap <- is is the reason the network is fuckity today?
16:41 matey; <Ariadne> thank u noction
16:41 Ariadne; yes
16:41 MinceR; lol
16:41 matey; there you go
16:41 Ariadne; because somebody at some shithole isp
16:41 Ariadne; is using noction
16:42 matey; /me doesnt recommend noction either
16:42 bnchs; well not me
16:42 Ariadne; and its leaking duplicate routes
16:42 matey; because its obnoctious
16:42 schestowitz-TR; "you only had one job(TM)"
16:42 matey; and its leaking duplicate routes <- maybe theyre running gnome :)
16:42 matey; gnoction
16:43 matey; its like gnoction but even worse
16:43 matey; and it needs half your ram
16:43 matey; gnoction <- its like gnoction but even worse <- only gnome could make a program thats even worse than itself
16:43 bnchs; gnoction
16:43 bnchs; uses dbus
16:43 matey; yes!
16:43 bnchs; leaks half your memory
16:43 matey; it uses it twice
16:44 bnchs; then eventually crashes after leaking the entire kernel memory
16:44 matey; its supposed to use dbus only once-- theyre working on this :)
16:44 matey; systemd-noctiond
16:44 Ariadne; noction is a slimey company too
16:44 matey; slimey companies and shitty projects go hand in hand
16:44 Ariadne; they went and got a bunch of software patents on this
16:44 matey; because how are you going to sell a shitty project without bullshitting people and doubling down?
16:45 matey; and if youre willing to lie all the time, why go to the trouble of making a GOOD project? lying is easier.
16:45 Ariadne; well
16:45 bnchs; systemd-noctiond is also worse
16:46 matey; /me apparently spells product with a j now, but thats good
16:46 Ariadne; outbound route optimization isn't bullshit, but you can get good results by doing it by hand
16:46 Ariadne; no need to spend 5 grand on a noction license
16:46 bnchs; lol they got software patents on network optimization
16:46 matey; <bnchs> systemd-noctiond is also worse <- gnome requires it now for network-manager
16:46 bnchs; i hope they eat shit
16:46 matey; <Ariadne> no need to spend 5 grand <- woof
16:46 bnchs; patents are what's stopping technology from progressing
16:47 bnchs; because patents are made by people who value money more
16:47 Ariadne; bnchs: they tried to sue internap (which has been selling route-optimized ip transit for 20 years) for violating their patents
16:47 Ariadne; its literally
16:47 matey; <bnchs> patents are what's stopping technology from progressing <- in general. here its just stopping competitors from making an equally shitty product
16:47 matey; plus the other thing which is actually bad.
16:47 Ariadne; they ping some set of IPs / websites
16:47 Ariadne; and weight the transit providers accordingly
16:47 Ariadne; to reduce ping time
16:47 Ariadne; thats all it is
16:47 matey; maybe theyll piss off anonymous or something
16:47 Ariadne; problem is, they inject weighted routes
16:48 Ariadne; and those routes leak
16:48 Ariadne; if you don't set up your filters properly
16:48 bnchs; software patents shouldn't even be a thing
16:48 bnchs; because they're holding back the advancement
16:48 matey; <bnchs> software patents shouldn't even be a thing <- make the world a better place
16:49 bnchs; they're a tool for greedy companies to ruin technology
16:50 TR News; Dash to Panel Adds GNOME 42 Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163459
16:50 TR Bot; Dash to Panel Adds GNOME 42 Support | Tux Machines
16:50 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163460
16:50 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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16:56 DaemonFC; "Can I Save Money with a Used Alternator?
16:56 DaemonFC; This is one of the most inadvisable things to do."
16:56 DaemonFC; LOL
16:57 DaemonFC; Yeah, let's pull a used wear item that probably has similar mileage to the one we took off.
16:57 schestowitz; Thu 15:08:20 MinceR the government _is_ a bunch of criminals
16:57 schestowitz; Thu 15:08:29 DaemonFC That's generally what's wrong with Chicago.
16:57 schestowitz; Thu 15:09:40 DaemonFC Democrats are criminals at best and very dimwitted criminals at their worst.
16:57 schestowitz; Thu 15:09:40 DaemonFC And dimwitted criminals are perhaps more dangerous because they still wield power.
16:57 schestowitz; these bits only went missing from the logger
16:57 schestowitz; so reproduced above
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 73.26 average k/sec., average swarm size 317.40
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16:59 matey; "This is one of the most inadvisable things to do" i wouldnt put one in a plane, for example
16:59 matey; /me was in a plane when the alternator (magneto) went out
16:59 matey; but thats why they have two of them
17:00 matey; /me blames charles xavier
17:01 matey; of course these days magneto is already out, so
17:04 TR News; Gulag: we give the NSA back doors. But YOUR "apps" are not secure. https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-play-store-block-android-apps-dont-update/
17:04 TR Bot; Google Play Store to Block Android Apps that Don't Update - Make Tech Easier
17:04 TR News; KDE neon 20220407 is out. Great distro! https://neon.kde.org/
17:04 TR Bot; KDE neon
17:06 bnchs; social control media should just be over
17:06 TR News; Microsoft Windows Update is also technically a botnet, but this one won't be removed https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/04/us-disrupts-russian-botnet.html
17:06 TR Bot; Disrupts Russian Botnet - Schneier on Security
17:06 bnchs; just get rid of all social media
17:06 bnchs; even alternatives
17:06 bnchs; and go back
17:07 TR News; Elive 3.8.27 is out
17:08 TR News; "A CVSS v3 base score of 7.5 has been calculated;" Proprietary software, so Microsoft-funded media won't make fuss over it. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-278-01
17:08 TR Bot; Mitsubishi Electric GOT and Tension Controller (Update A) | CISA
17:09 TR News; "Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity" om this proprietary software https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-097-02 "Successful exploitation of these vulnerabilities could cause the affect device to become unresponsive, resulting in a denial-of-service condition and requiring a manual reboot."
17:09 TR Bot; ABB SPIET800 and PNI800 | CISA
17:10 matey; <bnchs> just get rid of all social media <- websites and gemini are better
17:10 matey; theyre just better in every fucking way
17:11 matey; in theory social media has advantages... in practice social media is a fucking dumpster fire
17:11 matey; they keep trying to reform it, making it a temporarily reformed dumpster fire
17:11 matey; then it just becomes a federated dumpster fire, its incredible
17:12 bnchs; federation is also shit
17:12 matey; yes
17:13 bnchs; federated social media can go away with social media
17:13 matey; yes
17:13 schestowitz-TR; it can censor. check.
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17:13 schestowitz-TR; it shuts down. check.
17:14 schestowitz-TR; in fediverse I lost 3 accounts this way
17:14 schestowitz-TR; in diapora one
17:14 schestowitz-TR; and now they say I need to wait months for the account to be merely migrated
17:14 schestowitz-TR; and wherever it migrates to will also shut down some day, maybe in a few years
17:14 bnchs; the entire concept of a social media is flawed
17:14 matey; or right after migration!
17:14 schestowitz-TR; so both identica and mastodon have this issue
17:15 matey; or possibly while migration is pending
17:15 schestowitz-TR; (or pleroma etc.)
17:15 matey; idontica
17:15 matey; ididntica
17:15 schestowitz-TR; rss works better
17:15 schestowitz-TR; we had it right 20 years ago
17:15 schestowitz; https://anildash.com/2012/12/13/the_web_we_lost/
17:15 TR Bot; The Web We Lost
17:16 schestowitz; https://gizmodo.com/the-web-we-lost-5968475
17:16 TR Bot; The Web We Lost
17:16 matey; social media is the inbred cousin of rss that keeps getting busted for a dui
17:16 schestowitz; Anil Dash on The Web We Lost - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9KKMnoTTHJk Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia ]
17:16 TR Bot; Anil Dash on The Web We Lost - Invidious
17:17 schestowitz-TR; matey: social control media= rss + censorship
17:17 schestowitz-TR; + meddling, plus downtimes etc.
17:17 schestowitz-TR; like people who outsourced to feedburner
17:17 schestowitz-TR; than gulag
17:17 schestowitz-TR; then shut down
17:17 schestowitz-TR; lost all their followers
17:18 matey; /me thought friendfeed was cool
17:18 schestowitz-TR; which they took 10+ years to gain
17:18 schestowitz-TR; wrote many good things, got subscribed
17:18 matey; of course it didnt last
17:18 matey; you always end up being a product of these things
17:18 schestowitz-TR; bam. goodbye. gulag has other plans.
17:18 schestowitz-TR; gulag has so much power over a lot of blog
17:18 matey; gulag: was it good for you?
17:18 schestowitz-TR; to spy
17:18 schestowitz-TR; to censor
17:18 schestowitz-TR; not it shuts it all down
17:18 schestowitz-TR; billion subscriptions canceled
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17:18 matey; they didnt even violate the coc!
17:18 schestowitz-TR; with the flip of a switch on feedburner servers
17:18 matey; and they got cancelled anyway
17:19 schestowitz-TR; i always warned people about outsourcing rss feed
17:19 schestowitz-TR; for some "feeeechures"
17:19 schestowitz-TR; "I WANT TO SPY ON MY SUBS!!! I NEED TO UNDERSTAND!!"
17:19 schestowitz-TR; "yes, well, that didn't work out well at the end, did it?"
17:20 schestowitz; https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/update-your-nixcraft-rss-feed/
17:20 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/update-your-nixcraft-rss-feed/ )
17:20 schestowitz; "
17:20 schestowitz; nixCraft content is available using RSS format. The blog is hosted at www.cyberciti.biz, but an RSS feed is available from the www.cyberciti.com domain. Many of you consume nixCraft content via RSS/ATOM feed, creating load on the origin server. Not to mention Cloudflare web application firewall (WAF/CDN) aggressively blocks RSS/ATOM feed sometimes. Hence, RSS/ATOM feed is available from separate domains and servers with aggressive caching policy. I
17:20 schestowitz; am tight on resources, plus it makes it easier to manage static and dynamic content.
17:20 schestowitz; I already placed HTTP/301 in place, but I cannot control feedburner.com or google.com hosted content. Therefore I request everyone to update their RSS feed URL.
17:20 schestowitz; "
17:20 schestowitz; the key aprt:
17:20 schestowitz; "The lesson is evident here, not to trust 3rd party with your RSS feed or content. I will never forgive Google for erasing Google Reader RSS/Atom feed aggregator. I lost many readers because of that move."
17:20 schestowitz; https://support.google.com/feedburner/answer/10483501
17:20 TR Bot; Upcoming changes to FeedBurner in July 2021 - FeedBurner Help
17:20 schestowitz; "Starting in July, we are transitioning FeedBurner onto a more stable, modern infrastructure. This will keep the product up and running for all users, but it also means that we will be turning down most non-core feed management features, including email subscriptions, at that time.
17:21 schestowitz; their twitter account is not even responding
17:21 schestowitz; they judt don't care
17:21 schestowitz; "transitioning FeedBurner onto a more stable, modern infrastructure"
17:21 schestowitz; nice way to say
17:21 schestowitz; "we're shutting it down, SUCKERS!"
17:22 schestowitz-TR; "more stable, modern infrastructure"=we kill it off
17:22 schestowitz-TR; souble speak
17:22 schestowitz-TR; how to get promoted at gulag
17:22 matey; when i asked them to delete my github account i got a letter saying about how they care about open source and are going to stay "committed to developers"
17:22 schestowitz-TR; show your lying skills
17:22 schestowitz-TR; "you're hired madam"
17:22 matey; they only said "developers" once
17:22 schestowitz-TR; "you're promoted, sir"
17:23 matey; they didnt say "Developers, developers, developers, developers
17:23 DaemonFC; Yeah, I think I'll just bite the bullet and replace the alternator. I'm not entirely sure that's what it is.
17:23 schestowitz-TR; "content creators"
17:23 matey; but i heard it in steve ballmers voice anyway
17:23 schestowitz-TR; github has lots of user-generated "stuff"
17:23 DaemonFC; Tests good, but fails intermittently while driving seems to be likely here.
17:23 schestowitz-TR; like 'code'
17:23 schestowitz-TR; and "content|
17:23 schestowitz-TR; livestock
17:23 DaemonFC; Some of them do this for quite a while before they die.
17:24 DaemonFC; I may take a short nap before heading out there. :P
17:24 matey; /me still thinks rms and roy are making a lot of nothing about "content"
17:26 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Nitrux 20220402 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LVINy_2RENg
17:26 matey; the _________ of a letter <- as far as i know there is only one word that works here
17:26 TR Bot; to connect to 2603:c022:c001:2c00:e6fd:f72e:f063:4f2b: Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LVINy_2RENg )
17:26 TR News; Raspberry Pi OS Is Now Powered by Linux 5.15 LTS, Gets Experimental Wayland Backend Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163461
17:26 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi OS Is Now Powered by Linux 5.15 LTS, Gets Experimental Wayland Backend | Tux Machines
17:26 matey; the table of ________
17:26 matey; if content is awful, index must be worse
17:26 matey; it reduces all contents to a mere number!
17:26 DaemonFC; Mechanical problems are always easier to diagnose than electrical problems.
17:26 matey; maybe youre thinking "body" of a letter but thats only (the largest) part of it
17:26 matey; its not the same
17:26 DaemonFC; Usually with a mechanical part, it's either broken or it isn't. You can move it around and see if it makes weird noises or has too much slack or bounces around more than it should.
17:27 matey; electrical problems would be easier to detect if using an x-ray was a standard method of diagnosis
17:27 matey; though x-ray equipment is just a little bit hazardous
17:28 DaemonFC; Electrical problems can be batteries, computer modules, sensors, the alternator, pulleys, the crankshaft..... The alternator alone is pretty hard to diagnose unless it's flaking out so badly that it isn't performing as it should exactly when you do the test.
17:28 matey; but say you had a broken wire or something-- it should show up on x-ray
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17:28 matey; and they have xray equipment that goes straight to a monitor screen now
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17:28 matey; but obviously its fucking expensive
17:28 DaemonFC; My cousins took their truck to some hillbilly that "fixed" wiring problem with stereo wiring. :)
17:29 matey; <schestowitz-TR> like 'code' <- wait, is "code" now a bad word too?
17:29 TR News; Go away, criminals https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/xbox-games-studios-talk-up-more-of-their-games-on-steam-deck/
17:29 TR Bot; Games Studios talk up more of their games on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
17:29 matey; why is it in quotes
17:30 DaemonFC; Paid him like almost $2,000. Then the thing worked for a while and all the dashboard warning lights came on.
17:30 schestowitz-TR; matey: misunderstanding
17:30 DaemonFC; Had to go to the dealer at that point. *rolls eyes*
17:30 schestowitz-TR; scare quotes american v british
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17:30 matey; right, why any quotes
17:30 matey; its code, right
17:31 DaemonFC; The entire English language is BAD. DELETE DELETE DELEEEETE!!!!
17:31 matey; /me is going to create his own english, with blackjack and hookers
17:31 DaemonFC; Hey mjg59_, can you pass me the deny crayon?
17:31 DaemonFC; Deny is the color of my soul.
17:31 DaemonFC; Remember they called Johnny Cash the Man in Deny.
17:32 DaemonFC; Or that famous song by the Rolling Stones, Paint It Deny.
17:32 matey; the deny keys
17:32 matey; the allow stripes
17:32 DaemonFC; How do you take your coffee?
17:33 DaemonFC; Just deny, thank you!
17:33 DaemonFC; The most famous space phenomenon is, of course, the Deny Hole.
17:33 DaemonFC; The ironic name for something that even pulls in light itself.
17:33 matey; then her face at first just at first just ghostly, turned an allower shade of pale
17:34 matey; fucking xterm
17:34 DaemonFC; Many teenagers suffer from acne, and it can cause denyheads.
17:34 matey; im redoing, fuck it well do it live
17:34 matey; then her face at first just ghostly, turned an allower shade of pale
17:35 DaemonFC; Did you ever hear of the famous pirate Denybeard?
17:35 DaemonFC; What's my favorite pie? Denyberry of course.
17:36 matey; baa baa deny sheep have you any wool
17:36 DaemonFC; Grandmother always let them cool in the windows.
17:36 DaemonFC; Sometimes it would attract denybirds.
17:36 DaemonFC; My dad always said he watched fire ant colonies attack deny ants.
17:37 DaemonFC; The parking lot here sucks. It needs a fresh coat of denytop.
17:37 matey; denybird was a song on the beatles allow album
17:38 DaemonFC; The Russians are attacking by crossing the Deny Sea.
17:39 DaemonFC; One of the major tributaries of the Deny Sea is the Denyper River.
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17:41 matey; til: yoko ono (knew this) pattie harrison and maureen starkey were all guests on the allow album
17:41 matey; no mention of linda
17:41 matey; (i dont know if they were even together at the time, i only presume so)
17:42 TR News; Post re UK COVID-19 updated with this evening's figures: Were still at record highs for the season, despite testing rates falling. That cannot hide deaths and escalations. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/06/data-issue/
17:42 TR Bot; Blog Archive Over 20,000 COVID-19 Patients in British Hospitals, NHS Reports It Has DATA ISSUE and 2,714 Deaths [...] Added Retrospectively on 6 April 2022
17:42 matey; maybe she took pictures
17:43 schestowitz-TR; linda the sister?
17:43 schestowitz-TR; btw, they had a nice exhibit in liverpool museum when we last went
17:43 schestowitz-TR; by yoko
17:43 schestowitz-TR; she took up almost a whole floor
17:44 schestowitz-TR; with her weird art and memories of the husband
17:44 schestowitz-TR; but it was a very good exhibition nonetheless
17:46 matey; linda the sister? <- linda mccartney
17:46 schestowitz-TR; the vegetarian tycoon
17:46 schestowitz-TR; I knew about her also
17:46 matey; but as i said i dont know if they were even together when the allow album was made
17:46 matey; it could have been before that
17:46 schestowitz-TR; the sister made the beatles story museum iirc
17:46 schestowitz-TR; for lennon
17:47 matey; i didnt know john had a sister named linda
17:47 schestowitz-TR; not sure it's linda
17:47 matey; im pretty sure lennon was on the spectrum
17:47 matey; watching him in the studio, the way he looks at everything
17:48 matey; he got back into recording because of the b52s
17:48 matey; george is actually my favourite
17:48 matey; i like all of them
17:49 matey; i started listening to the beatles when i was 7 but i had already liked some of john lennons stuff when i was 4, i didnt know it was his
17:49 matey; many years later i was like "that was john lennon? fuck"
17:50 matey; watching the wheels in particular
17:50 matey; i was a phil collins fan when i was 6, i still am
17:51 matey; genesis too
17:52 matey; named by the infamous jonathan king
17:53 matey; and van morrison who i never knew was from belfast
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17:54 matey; and elo but i didnt even know jeff lynne was british
17:55 matey; i actually went to elo in utero
17:55 matey; so ive been a fan since birth
17:55 matey; or even before
17:58 TR News; The EPOs Staff Union Calls for Continued Industrial Actions as Some Media Belatedly Catches Up With EPO Strikes | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/media-catching-up-with-strikes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/media-catching-up-with-strikes/
17:58 TR Bot; The EPOs Staff Union Calls for Continued Industrial Actions as Some Media Belatedly Catches Up With EPO Strikes | Techrights
18:04 TR News; [Meme] The Hard-Working Madame Simon | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/arrogance-of-madame-simon/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/arrogance-of-madame-simon/
18:04 TR Bot; [Meme] The Hard-Working Madame Simon | Techrights
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18:43 XRevan86; https://t.me/novaya_europe/43
18:43 TR Bot; Telegram: Contact @novaya_europe
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18:53 TR News; Are you more worried about money going to Putin than to KSA? Also, why is this in Planet Ubuntu today? http://blog.markvdb.be/2022/04/how-much-does-my-flight-sponsor-vladimir.html
18:53 TR Bot; Mark Van den Borre: How much does my flight sponsor Vladimir?
18:58 TR News; User beware: OSI is promoting Microsoft proprietary software in exchange for bribes https://opensource.org/blog/modified-agplv3-removes-freedoms-adds-legal-headaches
18:58 TR Bot; Modified AGPLv3 removes freedoms, adds legal headaches | Open Source Initiative | Guaranteeing the 'our' in source...
18:58 TR News; ARPCHAT: Communicate using ARP Protocol inside Isolated Network Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163462
18:58 TR Bot; ARPCHAT: Communicate using ARP Protocol inside Isolated Network | Tux Machines
18:59 TR News; Ubuntu: Canonical, System 76, and Xubuntu Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163463
18:59 TR Bot; Ubuntu: Canonical, System 76, and Xubuntu | Tux Machines
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19:00 TR News; OSI does not warn people about Microsoft
19:02 TR News; Documenting Drugs: The Artful Intoxications of Stanisaw Ignacy Witkiewicz The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/documenting-drugs/ Source: publicdomainreview
19:02 TR Bot; Documenting Drugs: The Artful Intoxications of Stanisaw Ignacy Witkiewicz The Public Domain Review
19:04 node; boycot microsoft
19:05 TR News; The vanity of unqualified EPO management (hauled from a trademark institution for the 'skill' of knowing a mischievous colleague) is only going to motivate more EPO staff to participate in future strikes http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/arrogance-of-madame-simon/
19:05 TR News; Things are heating up at the EPO; management is unwilling to address key issues as the conflict grows and even some media is willing to mention (at long last) what truly goes on http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/media-catching-up-with-strikes/
19:12 TR News; Stacked by Microsoft, preaching/talking about fake security while failing to name the predominant culprit: Microsoft Windows https://www.fosslife.org/political-threat-ransomware-attacks see http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/
19:12 TR Bot; The Political Threat of Ransomware Attacks
19:12 TR Bot; Microsoft-Centric Ransomware Task Force | Techrights
19:12 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163464
19:12 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
19:14 schestowitz-TR; ni node
19:14 schestowitz-TR; *hi
19:14 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-10.jpg
19:14 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-10.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-10.jpg
19:15 TR News; JS is a security threat: "jQuery versions prior to 3.0.0 are vulnerable to cross-site scripting (XSS) attacks when a cross-domain Ajax request is performed without the dataType option, causing text/javascript responses to be executed." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-097-01
19:15 TR Bot; Pepperl+Fuchs WirelessHART-Gateway | CISA
19:16 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163465
19:16 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
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19:56 TR News; Why is Kopper and Zink important? AKA the future of OpenGL Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163466
19:56 TR Bot; Why is Kopper and Zink important? AKA the future of OpenGL | Tux Machines
20:00 TR News; Fedora Plans to Drop Support for Legacy BIOS Systems Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163467 IBM helps the same sinister agenda as Microsoft and the NSA; it's not about security or modernity as lessens users' control
20:00 TR Bot; Fedora Plans to Drop Support for Legacy BIOS Systems | Tux Machines
20:09 TR News; Links 07/04/2022: IBM Pushing Restrictive Boot | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/ibm-pushing-restrictive-boot/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/ibm-pushing-restrictive-boot/
20:09 TR Bot; Links 07/04/2022: IBM Pushing Restrictive Boot | Techrights
20:10 TR News; There is always something new to learn and do in Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163468
20:10 TR Bot; There is always something new to learn and do in Linux | Tux Machines
20:10 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163469
20:10 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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20:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 65.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 62.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 275.50
20:10 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163470
20:10 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:22 TR News; Hardkernels newest ODROID-M1 enters the SBC market https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market%EF%BF%BC/
20:22 Alternative link; CloudFlare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market%EF%BF%BC/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market%EF%BF%BC/
20:22 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market%EF%BF%BC/ )
20:23 *x_ is now known as kingoffrance
20:23 schestowitz; https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market/
20:23 Alternative link; CloudFlare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market/
20:23 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market/ )
20:34 TR News; Back doors-approved https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/05/red_hat_gets_rhel_82/
20:34 Alternative link; CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/05/red_hat_gets_rhel_82/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/05/red_hat_gets_rhel_82/
20:34 TR Bot; RHEL 8.2 certified for Common Criteria security The Register
20:34 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163471
20:34 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
20:36 TR News; They need to delete Microsoft GitHub and not outsource their work to criminals https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/07/smartknob-view-is-a-diy-haptic-input-knob-with-wifi-and-bluetooth-connectivity/
20:36 Alternative link; CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/07/smartknob-view-is-a-diy-haptic-input-knob-with-wifi-and-bluetooth-connectivity/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/07/smartknob-view-is-a-diy-haptic-input-knob-with-wifi-and-bluetooth-connectivity/
20:36 TR Bot; SmartKnob View is a DIY haptic input knob with WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity - CNX Software
20:37 TR News; Ubuntu plocate security review https://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2022-04-07-16-13_ubuntu_plocate_security_review.html
20:37 TR Bot; Steinar H. Gunderson
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20:38 TR News; Clown computing and buzzwords = security disasters marketed as "Safety" and "Cheaper" https://www.toolbox.com/it-security/cloud-security/news/denonia-malware-cryptomining-cryptojacking/
20:38 Alternative link; CloudFlare: toolbox.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.toolbox.com/it-security/cloud-security/news/denonia-malware-cryptomining-cryptojacking/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.toolbox.com/it-security/cloud-security/news/denonia-malware-cryptomining-cryptojacking/
20:38 TR Bot; NO TITLE
20:39 TR News; Clown computing is to a server/computer at home what public, filthy toilet booths are to a lavatory you have at home
20:41 TR News; Final changes before releasing EasyOS 3.4.5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163326#comment-33300
20:41 TR Bot; Latest in EasyOS | Tux Machines
20:42 TR News; "A rather slow week again after the 2000 games milestone on the Steam Deck. There are now 2100 games (1997 at the time of writing) working on the Steam Deck in two categories as usual..." https://boilingsteam.com/2100-games-on-the-steam-deck-metro-2033/
20:42 TR Bot; 2100 Games On The Steam Deck, with Metro 2033 Redux and Resonance of Fate as Verified - Boiling Steam
20:50 TR News; Librera App is the most used Book and EPUB Viewer for Android Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163472
20:50 TR Bot; Librera App is the most used Book and EPUB Viewer for Android | Tux Machines
20:50 TR News; linuxium.com.au: If things don't change, things will stay as they are. https://linuxiumcomau.blogspot.com/2022/04/if-things-dont-change-things-will-stay.html Source: linuxiumcomau
20:50 TR Bot; linuxium.com.au: If things don't change, things will stay as they are.
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20:52 TR News; ICBMd https://lwn.net/Articles/889610/
20:52 TR Bot; discusses its kernel-version needs [LWN.net]
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20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 51.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 304.08
20:59 TR News; VMware = proprietary software junk. "An attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/07/vmware-releases-security-updates
20:59 TR Bot; VMware Releases Security Updates | CISA
20:59 TR News; LWNs Kernel Coverage Today Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163473
21:00 TR Bot; LWN's Kernel Coverage Today | Tux Machines
21:00 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-3-22-20.jpg
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21:02 TR News; gzip-1.12 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163474
21:02 TR Bot; gzip-1.12 released | Tux Machines
21:02 *bnchs__ is now known as bnchs
21:03 TR News; Khronos Blog - The Khronos Group Inc https://www.khronos.org/blog/your-opencl-developer-experience-just-got-upgraded Source: khronos
21:03 Alternative link; CloudFlare: khronos.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.khronos.org/blog/your-opencl-developer-experience-just-got-upgraded https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.khronos.org/blog/your-opencl-developer-experience-just-got-upgraded
21:03 TR Bot; Khronos Blog - The Khronos Group Inc
21:06 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163475
21:06 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:09 TR News; Swap your snaps for flatpaks https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JyF17MtQTn0
21:09 TR Bot; Future of GNOME, Ubuntu 22.04 Beta, swap your snaps for flatpaks - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious
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21:12 TR News; "Livestream for new Linux users to ask their questions regarding making the switch to Linux." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Z3XRVox93-Y
21:12 TR Bot; Linux Switchers Live Stream (Spring 2022) - Invidious
21:12 TR News; Games: Steam Deck Milestone and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163476
21:12 TR Bot; Games: Steam Deck Milestone and More | Tux Machines
21:13 TR News; "Docker surprises everyone, new Fedora tools in the works, and an old debate with a fresh take." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8209
21:14 TR News; Webspam/fake review/SPAM/death knell of the WWW https://www.maketecheasier.com/review/ilife-a11-lidar-robot-vacuum/ the Web became flooded with such garbage...
21:14 TR Bot; ILIFE A11 LiDAR Robot Vacuum Review - Make Tech Easier
21:17 TR News; FreeBSD 13.1-RC2 is out now https://www.freebsd.org/
21:17 TR Bot; The FreeBSD Project
21:21 TR News; Microsoft is also corrupt. But states are prosecuting and arresting Microsoft employees. https://itsubuntu.com/fix-pfn_list_corrupt-in-windows/
21:21 TR Bot; Pfn_list_corrupt In Windows 10 And Windows 11 (BSOD) | Itsubuntu.com
21:23 TR News; Even "Linux" is targeted by the webspam 'industry' https://nerdist.com/article/linux-certification-training-bundle-on-sale/
21:23 Alternative link; CloudFlare: nerdist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nerdist.com/article/linux-certification-training-bundle-on-sale/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://nerdist.com/article/linux-certification-training-bundle-on-sale/
21:23 TR Bot; Linux, the OS That Might Make Your Job Easier, for $69 - Nerdist
21:24 TR News; [PATCH 00/11] Support Pensando Elba SoC - Brad Larson https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220406233648.21644-1-brad@pensando.io/ Source: pensando
21:24 TR Bot; [PATCH 00/11] Support Pensando Elba SoC - Brad Larson
21:29 TR News; BadWolf SparkyLinux <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://sparkylinux.org/badwolf/"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
21:29 TR Bot; BadWolf SparkyLinux
21:29 TR News; "BadWolf is a minimalist and privacy-oriented WebKitGTK+ browser." https://sparkylinux.org/badwolf/
21:29 immibis; schestowitz: it's not FUD to point out the loudest people are nazis. Probably if everyone self-hosts everything then the government will implement some kind of reporting requirement.
21:30 schestowitz-TR; nazis are often undercover/underground
21:30 schestowitz-TR; not "too" loud
21:30 immibis; psydroid2: charging for bandwidth is a way to try to allocate costs according to usage. Sure, one valid allocation is that everyone pays the same. A different, also completely valid allocation is that everyone pays according to how much they use, even if the thing they're using has a fixed cost.
21:31 immibis; schestowitz-TR: nah they're undercover about being nazis, but they're very loud about free speech etc.
21:31 immibis; like, anyone can use gab, but the only group that really promotes it is nazis
21:31 schestowitz-TR; many people are vocal about free speech, for the same reason many want women's equality
21:31 immibis; even though it's freer for everyone
21:32 schestowitz-TR; maybe in germany it's different
21:32 schestowitz-TR; gab is not free speeh
21:32 schestowitz-TR; gab is nazi site
21:32 immibis; does gab ban you for not being a nazi?
21:32 schestowitz; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/11/06/gab-is-pro-nazis/
21:32 TR Bot; Blog Archive Gab is Not a Site That Tolerates Nazis. It is a Nazi Site That Bans People Who Object to Nazism. Its a Censorship Site With a Dangerous Agenda.
21:33 schestowitz-TR; don't help the FUD
21:33 schestowitz-TR; that's like the UK gov's FUD that equates privacy with pedophilia
21:33 immibis; well you can substitute any other free speech service that doesn't ban people for not being nazis. The same thing applies to Parler, which I also don't know anything about because I don't frequent Nazi websites
21:34 bnchs; isn't "nazi" just another shit like SJW
21:34 TR News; Project Zero: CVE-2021-30737, @xerub's 2021 iOS ASN.1 Vulnerability https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/04/cve-2021-30737-xerubs-2021-ios-asn1.html Source: google | gulag | projectzero
21:34 TR Bot; Project Zero: CVE-2021-30737, @xerub's 2021 iOS ASN.1 Vulnerability
21:34 bnchs; to try to make services look bad
21:34 TR News; Advice for data centers looking to change operating systems Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163477
21:34 TR Bot; Advice for data centers looking to change operating systems | Tux Machines
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21:35 immibis; bnchs: when you think of a nazi do you think of a personified ball of pure evil?
21:35 schestowitz-TR; nazis are a problem
21:35 immibis; because they are not like that. they are mostly idiots who believe in racist stuff and other idiotic stuff
21:35 schestowitz-TR; but don't paint everything nazi
21:35 schestowitz-TR; like hosting at home? NAZI!
21:36 bnchs; ^
21:36 bnchs; you can associate anything with nazis
21:36 bnchs; then make them look bad
21:36 immibis; it may not be inherently nazi, but in the event that nazis end up doing it and nobody else....
21:36 schestowitz-TR; some night clubs in berlin have nazis
21:36 schestowitz-TR; I should stop going to night clubs. Nazi.
21:36 immibis; i cannot believe any nightclub bouncer in berlin would let in any nazi, fwiw. They tend to be very left-wing spaces.
21:36 schestowitz-TR; immibis: not true
21:37 schestowitz-TR; you think of your homeland
21:37 immibis; anyone who's obviously nazi*
21:37 schestowitz-TR; in iran people self-host for other reasons
21:37 immibis; obviously or subtly*
21:37 schestowitz-TR; or host abroad
21:37 schestowitz-TR; human rights groups
21:37 bnchs; immibis: i really don't give 2 shits who you are
21:37 schestowitz-TR; in china you might be from tibet
21:37 schestowitz-TR; not a nazi
21:37 schestowitz-TR; twaiwan
21:37 schestowitz-TR; not a nazi
21:37 bnchs; as long as you don't put it in everyone's faces
21:37 schestowitz-TR; muslim in an island in .ph
21:37 schestowitz-TR; also not a nazi
21:37 immibis; schestowitz-TR: well the government in my homeland is only going to be caring about who self-hosts in my homeland, and that's going to be a small set of tech enthusiasts (already) and (hypothetically if this takes off) nazis. And the second group is larger.
21:38 schestowitz-TR; can't comment in .de
21:38 schestowitz-TR; btw
21:38 bnchs; oh my god
21:38 immibis; bnchs: I care if people are nazis. Do you know what happened the last time nazism was allowed to proliferate?
21:38 bnchs; selfhosting?
21:38 immibis; my homeland is not .de
21:38 bnchs; are you a NAZI???
21:38 schestowitz-TR; in .de lots of nazi things are illega;l
21:38 schestowitz-TR; the nazism is illegal
21:38 schestowitz-TR; memorabilia, denial, etc.
21:38 immibis; bnchs: Let's suppose a future where 1% of self-hosters are tech enthusiasts, and 99% are nazis evading censorship.
21:38 immibis; What are the bayesian probabilities on that?
21:38 schestowitz-TR; prosecute people for THAT, not the hosting
21:38 bnchs; immibis, it's something that i don't give 2 shits
21:39 schestowitz-TR; nazis are very few
21:39 bnchs; it's up to whoever who cares about them
21:39 immibis; it's never going to be illegal to self-host, in free countries - that's totally ridiculous. It may, however, become regulated if too many nazis start doing it
21:39 schestowitz-TR; on an international scale you have more han supremacists than nazis
21:39 bnchs; freedoms has side-effects
21:39 schestowitz-TR; china has a way of handling them, too
21:39 immibis; all racial supremacists are effectively nazis
21:39 bnchs; "It may, however, become regulated if too many nazis start doing it"
21:39 immibis; bnchs: we call it "this is why we can't have nice things"
21:39 bnchs; you mean if they got a reason
21:39 schestowitz-TR; in the suse forums in USENET there used to be a nazi hosting from home
21:40 schestowitz-TR; that's the only nazi user of linux that I saw online
21:40 bnchs; i don't care if you're a "nazi"
21:40 immibis; nazis as a group generally do not care about self-hosting, or linux
21:40 bnchs; as long as you don't put it in everyone's faces
21:40 immibis; However, it is possible that one of them is a tech expert and realizes "Hey I can evade censorship if I do this, this and this" and publishes a guide for the rest, which is sufficiently easy to follow.
21:40 bnchs; but if they start regulating self-hosting because "nazis"
21:40 immibis; This is the hypothetical future we're talking about, right?
21:40 bnchs; then the people regulating it has obviously been looking for reasons to stop self-hosting
21:41 immibis; bnchs: do you know what happened last time nazism proliferated?
21:41 bnchs; immibis, yeah tell me again
21:41 immibis; bnchs: i am talking about a scenario where it's legitimately 90%+ nazis
21:41 immibis; bnchs: they did a world war and a genocide
21:41 bnchs; you're talking about the nazis who killed people
21:41 immibis; tell me, what did they do before they killed people?
21:41 immibis; we should probably be able to recognize that happening again before it gets to the stage of killing people
21:42 bnchs; ok so tell me what should we do
21:42 immibis; don't give power to nazis
21:42 bnchs; use non-free licenses?
21:42 immibis; bnchs: arrest nazis
21:42 immibis; this has nothing to do with software
21:42 bnchs; immibis, that is out of scope of self-hosting
21:42 immibis; it's only a software-related tangent because of self-hosting
21:42 bnchs; and retarded to drag self-hosting along with it
21:43 immibis; bnchs: what do you imagine when I say "regulated"? Because I am just thinking, that the government might want to know what you're hosting, to make sure it's not nazi shit
21:43 immibis; and like, that's the maximum extent I imagine.
21:43 immibis; in free countries
21:43 bnchs; i'm convinced that you're a troll, but continue
21:44 bnchs; freedoms has it's side effects
21:44 bnchs; and nazis are no exception
21:44 immibis; bnchs: i'm saying the government might have rules about placards you can display because nazis, and you're saying it's retarded to drag placards into it just because nazis have placards
21:44 immibis; like, there is nothing wrong with making it illegal to protest with a "gas the jews!" sign
21:45 bnchs; immibis, and do you like this?
21:45 immibis; have you heard of the paradox of tolerance?
21:45 immibis; bnchs: do I like what?
21:45 bnchs; you like the government regulating what you can host on your servers?
21:46 bnchs; this is another paradox like using pedos, terrorists as a reason
21:46 immibis; bnchs: not
21:46 bnchs; except that this is nazis now
21:46 immibis; bnchs: no, but it's better than allowing nazism to proliferate
21:46 immibis; bnchs: you just haven't encountered the nazi problem yet. When you realize the scope of it, you will agree that it's necessary to prevent it.
21:47 bnchs; they'll just bypass it
21:47 bnchs; by hosting out of the country with the regulations
21:47 immibis; so, not self-hosting?
21:47 bnchs; and it only hurt the people who care about self-hosting
21:48 immibis; bnchs: do you like that it's illegal to drive without a licence?
21:48 *psydroid2 miporse age tu iran ham mardome nazi vojud daran
21:48 bnchs; you're comparing cars to servers now?
21:48 bnchs; a car can crash and kill people
21:48 immibis; bnchs: nazis also kill people. or they did last time.
21:48 psydroid2; I'm not really aware of the extent of nazism over here
21:48 bnchs; some millions of bytes can't kill people
21:49 psydroid2; nor in germany
21:49 SomeH4x0r; can WarGames (1986) happen irl?
21:49 immibis; bnchs: is it okay to convince people that studies show humans are better drivers when drunk?
21:49 SomeH4x0r; nuclear missile system glitch
21:49 immibis; psydroid2: well where is here?
21:49 psydroid2; although I've heard of some things related to AfD
21:49 bnchs; immibis, holy shit STRAWMAN
21:49 psydroid2; immibis, dein Nachbarland im Westen
21:49 bnchs; i'm getting real sick of this shit
21:49 psydroid2; Nordwesten*
21:50 bnchs; trolls in my chat
21:50 psydroid2; immibis, the Netherlands
21:51 immibis; bnchs: you are clearly making connections that do not exist. This is a nested, recursive question. Would that thing be okay or not?
21:51 bnchs; no it's not okay to convince people that humans are better driving when drunk
21:52 immibis; bnchs: should people suffer legal consequences for doing so?
21:52 bnchs; but you have to admit, that nazis will always find a way to do shit
21:52 immibis; psydroid2: does the netherlands have any major political parties that want to close the borders, make immigrants fuck off, demolish welfare programs and privatize government enterprises?
21:52 bnchs; immibis, driving and drinking is common sense
21:52 bnchs; now lets go back to the topic at hand
21:53 bnchs; and not attack the strawman
21:53 psydroid2; immibis, PVV and FvD tick off some of those boxes
21:53 psydroid2; let me see how many seats they have in parliament
21:53 immibis; psydroid2: i'm going to assume they are far-right parties i.e. proto-nazis
21:53 immibis; bnchs: should people suffer legal consequences for doing that convincing?
21:54 bnchs; you don't have to treat people like they're children
21:54 bnchs; they will either brush it off as dumb bullshit
21:54 bnchs; or argue endlessly
21:55 immibis; bnchs: should people suffer legal consequences for doing that convincing?
21:55 psydroid2; immibis, 17 and 5 respectively out of 150 seats
21:55 psydroid2; yes, that assumption is correct
21:55 immibis; bit lower percentage than germany
21:55 kingoffrance; the answer to should they suffer legal consequences, is did the prosecutor/state follow "the law" i.e. get a warrant
21:55 bnchs; immibis, thats a loaded question
21:55 kingoffrance; self-hosting is really irrelevant here
21:55 immibis; bnchs: no, it's not loaded
21:55 bnchs; if i answer yes, you'll drag it to the nazis bullshit
21:56 bnchs; if i answer no, you'll say that i like endangering people
21:56 immibis; that's not a loaded question, that's just a step in the way to proving you wrong
21:56 bnchs; <kingoffrance> self-hosting is really irrelevant here
21:56 bnchs; self-hosting is irrelevant
21:56 bnchs; in this topic, because nazis will always find a way
21:56 bnchs; you can outlaw paper because they can just print nazi propoganda on it
21:56 immibis; Alice: "The water is green because it reflects the sky." Bob: "Is the sky green?" Alice: "That's a loaded question. If I say yes you'll say that I'm a moron. If I say no you'll lead it to the water not being green because it reflects the sky."
21:57 immibis; bnchs: they won't outlaw paper and they won't outlaw self-hosting. They may outlaw distributing certain messages with paper.
21:57 bnchs; immibis, how do they plan doing that
21:57 immibis; literally nobody wants to outlaw self-hosting except the tech megacorps probably
21:57 bnchs; now tell me
21:57 bnchs; they'll either put tracking bullshit in printer
21:57 immibis; bnchs: Well if you get caught distributing paper saying "HERE'S WHY WE SHOULD GAS THE JEWS" you get arrested
21:58 bnchs; immibis, so basically let's apply this to self-hosting
21:58 immibis; they don't need tracking bullshit in printers. They just look at who is handing out the papers.
21:58 kingoffrance; well, i think there is little "self hosting" in practice, because most ppl are going to go thru an isp, not some community wifi
21:58 bnchs; if you get caught distributing nazi crap
21:58 bnchs; you get arrested
21:58 immibis; yes
21:58 bnchs; you don't need to drag the entire self-hosting crap to this
21:58 immibis; if you get caught distributing nazi crap on self-hosting you get arrested
21:58 immibis; why are you arguing about this
21:58 MinceR; they should arrest the hungarian government
21:58 bnchs; because you're making it as if self-hosting is bad
21:59 bnchs; because nazis are associated with it
21:59 MinceR; also the terrorussian government
21:59 immibis; bnchs: I have never said self-hosting is bad. I have only said that if a majority of self-hosts are Nazis then the government will try to regulate it so less Nazis can do it
21:59 MinceR; depends on the government
21:59 immibis; MinceR: republicans too while we're at it
21:59 immibis; MinceR: talking about free countries only
21:59 MinceR; some of them like to have as much nazi stuff online as possible
21:59 bnchs; immibis, depends on the goverment doing this
21:59 MinceR; which are the free countries?
21:59 kingoffrance; the imaginary ones
21:59 MinceR; (asking because i'm planning to move)
21:59 MinceR; ah.
22:00 bnchs; the "free" countries
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22:00 kingoffrance; http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=future there's a better one, maybe it is only unabridged
22:00 TR Bot; future
22:01 immibis; MinceR: the ones where you don't get arrested for saying the government is bad
22:02 kingoffrance; there we go http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=youth when figs are grown on thistles, and pigs betailed with whistles and, wearing silken bristles, live ever in clover, and clows fly over, delivering milk at every door, and Justice never is heard to snore
22:02 TR Bot; youth
22:02 immibis; in russia you will get arrested just for holding a sign, because nobody holds pro-government signs, they don't need to read the sign to know you're anti-government
22:02 kingoffrance; *cows
22:02 bnchs; immibis, when i was in 4chan, there was tons of nazis
22:02 bnchs; but what did i do?
22:02 bnchs; laugh it off
22:02 bnchs; you can't stop people from thinking like nazis
22:03 immibis; bnchs: We know what happens when we do not stop people from thinking like Nazis, because it happened once.
22:03 immibis; Not stopping people from thinking like Nazis is not an option.
22:03 bnchs; immibis, so basically outlaw wrongthink
22:03 bnchs; including intrusive thoughts
22:03 immibis; bnchs: there is a big divide between "outlaw wrongthink" and "outlaw nazism" and it's honestly worrying that you think they're the same
22:04 bnchs; there's a difference between thinking and doing it in action
22:04 bnchs; and you should be glad it's only the former
22:04 immibis; what happened before the nazis seized power and killed everyone?
22:05 bnchs; you won't stop them from thinking like nazis
22:05 kingoffrance; the bankers wrecked the economy?
22:05 kingoffrance; so we should round them up i guess
22:05 kingoffrance; to prevent nazis
22:05 bnchs; unless you're willing to insert Anti-Wrongthink microchip
22:05 bnchs; in their brains
22:05 immibis; bnchs: you are a troll
22:06 schestowitz-TR; no
22:06 bnchs; yeah sure
22:06 schestowitz-TR; there is concern trolling here
22:06 schestowitz-TR; or a variant of us
22:06 schestowitz-TR; *it
22:06 schestowitz-TR; mixing self hosting with hate speech
22:06 schestowitz-TR; self hosting isn't about hiding
22:06 schestowitz-TR; it's about becoming more robust to de-platforming
22:06 schestowitz-TR; if you post illegal things, the authorities can enter the home
22:07 schestowitz-TR; not the same as Jock Dorkey and pedo guy musk deciding to take away your account because it's bad for business
22:07 bnchs; yes
22:07 bnchs; it's your country's laws that matter
22:07 schestowitz-TR; germany has the most anti-nazi laws in the world
22:08 schestowitz-TR; people can do holocaust denial almost everywhere
22:08 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, i mean they stopped wolfinstein 3D from being published
22:08 schestowitz-TR; but in germany and maybe austria they will get arrested
22:08 bnchs; and even got crazy about sniper elite
22:08 bnchs; a game where you kill nazis
22:09 schestowitz-TR; all this "nazi thing" is cheapening the debate
22:09 bnchs; my point is
22:09 schestowitz-TR; because it divides the debate's sides into pro- and anti-nazi
22:09 bnchs; you can't stop people from thinking like nazis
22:09 schestowitz-TR; even when the subject isn't nazism at all
22:09 bnchs; you can't stop people from thinking bad
22:09 schestowitz-TR; it's like reading books
22:09 schestowitz-TR; you can buy and share physical books
22:09 schestowitz-TR; that's like self-hosting
22:09 schestowitz-TR; and peer to pee
22:10 schestowitz-TR; you could even -- gasp -- pass one of millions of copies of mein kampf
22:10 bnchs; to be honest, as soon as nazis, pedos, terrorists get involved
22:10 bnchs; the discussion turns into concern trolling
22:10 bnchs; and thats the problem
22:10 kingoffrance; well, it turns into im a gonna need a backdoor into your "encryption"
22:10 schestowitz-TR; it is called "moral hysteria"
22:11 schestowitz-TR; kingoffrance: don't forget microphones in the sauna!!
22:11 kingoffrance; im a gonna need a camera in your house, warrants are too hard
22:11 bnchs; concern trolling is one step in the wrong direction in freedoms
22:11 schestowitz-TR; and cams too, in germany, where many do it naked
22:13 schestowitz-TR; immibis is not a troll btw
22:13 bnchs; well ok
22:13 schestowitz-TR; he's concerned (I assume male) about a real issue
22:13 schestowitz-TR; but he is misplacing the blame
22:13 schestowitz-TR; nazis are dumb
22:13 schestowitz-TR; there is a reason for this
22:14 immibis; talking about self-hosting isn't pro- or anti-nazi
22:14 schestowitz-TR; they have nothing personal to be proud of
22:14 schestowitz-TR; except race
22:14 immibis; but saying we shouldn't stop nazis is... disturbing
22:14 schestowitz-TR; or supposed "history" and "pride"
22:14 schestowitz-TR; so it's easy to catch them
22:14 bnchs; but the thing is
22:14 schestowitz-TR; they're dumb like islamic terrorists sometimes
22:14 schestowitz-TR; mayeb dumber
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22:14 bnchs; we can't stop them from thinking like that
22:14 schestowitz-TR; many islamic terrorists are well-educated engineers
22:14 bnchs; and we can't sacrifife freedoms because of them
22:14 bnchs; god damn it i can't english today
22:15 kingoffrance; do not sacrifife kovfefe
22:15 immibis; many far-right people are just underdeveloped left-wing people and can become left if they are led through the maze of information in a way that leads them there
22:15 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: no worries, it's only irc
22:16 immibis; bnchs: freedom isn't free
22:16 schestowitz-TR; immibis: so takckle gulagtube then
22:16 schestowitz-TR; over a decade ago it had tons of nazis on it
22:16 schestowitz-TR; AND recommended
22:16 bnchs; it just reminds me of something
22:16 schestowitz-TR; like doomscrolling but with videos
22:16 bnchs; i remember some year on april first
22:16 immibis; and let me remind you bnchs that NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT SELF-HOSTING BEING ILLEGAL EVEN IN THE EXTREME SCENARIO WHERE IT'S 100% NAZIS
22:16 MinceR; yay, different flavor of authoritarianism :>
22:16 schestowitz-TR; microsoft bing recommends pedophilia to people
22:17 bnchs; cock.li had a april fools day, where they replaced the main page with a bunch of pictures of hitler and swasitkas
22:17 schestowitz-TR; immibis: I can assure you few self-hosters are nazis
22:17 schestowitz-TR; very few
22:17 bnchs; and a bunch of "gas the jews" here and there
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22:17 bnchs; the creator actually got sued for that
22:17 bnchs; and maybe arrested
22:17 schestowitz-TR; don't throw out the baby with the bathwater
22:17 schestowitz-TR; it's easy to do it
22:17 bnchs; even though it was a joke
22:17 schestowitz-TR; hard to undo
22:18 bnchs; and thats what i'm thinking
22:18 immibis; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development#Stages right-wing useful idiots appear to be stuck in stage 3
22:18 TR Bot; Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development - Wikipedia
22:18 bnchs; and another example
22:18 bnchs; what if a TTS spouting out nazi stuff
22:18 bnchs; do you arrest the streamer?
22:18 immibis; schestowitz-TR: there is a *possibility* that some nazis start doing it because it's more censorship resistant and the movement spreads. Of course, they are also stupid, so it's possible they can't figure out how to do it.
22:18 XRevan86; immibis: Saw evidence of that, that's pretty entertaining.
22:19 schestowitz-TR; immibis: they did this on the web in the 90s too
22:19 XRevan86; "right-wing useful idiots appear to be stuck in stage 3" <- Of that.
22:19 schestowitz-TR; I still remember very well
22:19 bnchs; because with laws like this, you only target people who only done it as a joke
22:19 schestowitz-TR; it's not a new issue
22:19 schestowitz-TR; and they did not self-host
22:20 immibis; bnchs: you arrest whoever is a Nazi or supports them. A streamer who gets a Nazi TTS message, are they supporting Nazism? No, the person who sent the message is. Unless the streamer approved it. Or deliberately didn't ban the user after the first 50 times. You know that laws aren't computer programs, right?
22:20 bnchs; immibis: ok haven't you read my first example
22:20 bnchs; <bnchs> cock.li had a april fools day, where they replaced the main page with a bunch of pictures of hitler and swasitkas
22:20 bnchs; bnchs> the creator actually got sued for that
22:20 bnchs; <bnchs> and maybe arrested
22:20 kingoffrance; "freedom isn't free" common misconception in america, inalienable rights are free. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_control_of_the_military technically, freedom is free. even quotes: One example is People's Republic of China. Mao Zedong stated that "Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party," reflecting the primacy of the Communist Party of China (and communist pa
22:20 kingoffrance; rties in general) as decision-makers in MarxistLeninist and Maoist theories of democratic centralism "freedom" (natural rights) are free. it is civil rights that require a state/gov/military/etc.
22:20 TR Bot; Civilian control of the military - Wikipedia
22:21 kingoffrance; that is just to say, "freedom" is misused without explaining "natural inalienable" or "civil" rights
22:21 kingoffrance; or, it is more confusion of tongues over definition of "state"
22:22 immibis; bnchs: So the creator was the one promoting nazism
22:22 kingoffrance; is it "the people" ? free. is it some external apparatus? not free
22:22 bnchs; first of all
22:22 bnchs; it was a joke
22:22 bnchs; and the creator was a bit of a 4chan lurker i would say
22:23 kingoffrance; that was also that prior thing about "rights" not being "taxable" or whatever
22:23 immibis; It's not a joke if you literally just do the thing.
22:23 kingoffrance; so its been ruled on as well
22:23 immibis; There has to be some element of humour for it to be a joke.
22:23 kingoffrance; freedom is free
22:23 immibis; Otherwise you're just doing a thing and then saying it was a joke so you get out of trouble for doing it.
22:23 bnchs; he's not promoting nazism
22:24 immibis; Say I drive without a licence and get pulled over and I say it's funny that I don't have a licence, can you let me go please officer?
22:24 immibis; that doesn't work
22:24 bnchs; he did it as a april fools joke
22:24 immibis; that's not how excuses or jokes work
22:24 bnchs; do you think a serious nazism website would layer thousands of seizure rainbows and swastikas?
22:24 bnchs; and big texts
22:25 bnchs; so you're saying you can't make fun of nazism aswsell
22:26 bnchs; https://cock.li/transparency/april-fools-2016.txt
22:26 bnchs; "For about 3 weeks, I displayed a JOKE on the front page of cock.li that
22:26 bnchs; shook the text on the page and displaying a rotating webm that said
22:26 bnchs; "HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG". I did this while the server was hosted in
22:26 bnchs; Germany, so I think this is what this is about. I've never been
22:26 bnchs; unironically racist in the entire history of the site, so this is the only thing I can come up with.
22:27 immibis; for 3 weeks?
22:27 immibis; how is it april fool's if it's 3 weeks?
22:28 immibis; riddle me this: how is it possible to distinguish between being ironically nazi and actually nazi? What are the outward-facing indicators?
22:28 bnchs; did i say he did it all in one day?
22:28 bnchs; immibis: it's obvious it's a JOKE
22:28 bnchs; he shook the text
22:28 bnchs; rotating webm of hitler
22:28 immibis; what are the outward-facing indicators that it's a joke? Is all shaking text a joke?
22:28 bnchs; it's obviously not meant as nazism
22:28 kingoffrance; cock.li seems a big indicator to me lol
22:29 immibis; if stormfront makes the text shake, will it be a joke?
22:29 bnchs; first of all, tell me this
22:29 bnchs; this is related to cock.li only
22:29 bnchs; not stormfront
22:29 bnchs; this prank is as much as a 13 year old's childish joke
22:29 MinceR; 07 232645 < bnchs> "HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG". I did this while the server was hosted in
22:30 bnchs; on 4chan
22:30 MinceR; how did he lose the war, then?
22:30 immibis; yes there are lots of unironic nazis on 4chan
22:30 immibis; so tell me what makes the difference between ironic and unironic
22:30 bnchs; if you start sharing actual nazi propoganda
22:31 MinceR; time makes the difference, perhaps
22:31 *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights
22:31 MinceR; as in, allegedly 4chan used to be smart people pretending to be idiots
22:31 *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@36bzb8gsaeuq4.irc) has joined #techrights
22:31 MinceR; and i'm pretty sure it's the other way around by now
22:31 MinceR; "ironically" spouting nazi bullshit on a platform attracts nazis
22:32 bnchs; there's a difference between being a nazi
22:32 bnchs; and mocking nazis
22:32 bnchs; like making a game where you shoot nazis
22:32 bnchs; or taking the piss out of them
22:32 MinceR; the german government couldn't tell the difference
22:32 MinceR; they banned wolfenstein 3d because "oh no, nazi symbolism!"
22:33 bnchs; remember the website was hosted in Germany at the time
22:33 bnchs; so obviously a country that is serious about nazi (even if it's a joke) is a bad place to do this
22:33 immibis; bnchs: did you literally just say that nazism is ironic when it happens in germany?
22:33 MinceR; lol
22:34 immibis; because bruh
22:34 bnchs; what?
22:34 bnchs; no
22:34 bnchs; i'm saying that germany is a bad place to do jokes like this
22:34 MinceR; "german humor is no laughing matter!"
22:34 immibis; you're saying it's obviously ironic because it happened in a place where it would be bad to do it ironically?
22:34 bnchs; no
22:35 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-3-22-33.jpg
22:35 Alternative link; CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-3-22-33.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-3-22-33.jpg
22:35 bnchs; i don't owe you countless arguments
22:35 bnchs; go take this up with daemonfc
22:36 immibis; you owe a good explanation of why you think nazis should just be allowed to be nazis
22:36 bnchs; how do i owe you
22:36 bnchs; especially in a channel that has been derailed so far
22:37 bnchs; what i'm saying is how a creator's ironic joke about nazis got him arrested
22:37 bnchs; also i don't owe you shit
22:38 bnchs; i don't like nazis but i don't give a shit about them, as long as they're not in my face
22:39 MinceR; don't worry, they'll get in your face eventually
22:39 bnchs; and unlike whatever people on facebook, i can handle them and take a joke once in a while
22:39 MinceR; you can't handle them if they're the government, unless you have an army
22:40 bnchs; they'll never will be
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22:40 MinceR; they already are in some places
22:40 bnchs; do they kill people?
22:40 TR News; Software: BadWolf, Eve Reader, Gimel Studio, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163480
22:40 TR Bot; Software: BadWolf, Eve Reader, Gimel Studio, and More | Tux Machines
22:40 bnchs; do they discriminate against other people?
22:41 MinceR; they do kill people
22:41 MinceR; they do discriminate against other people
22:41 bnchs; well i don't accept that
22:41 MinceR; good
22:41 MinceR; terrorussia is already doing all that
22:41 bnchs; tbh i wasted all my brainpower on this
22:42 bnchs; im gonna go
22:42 bnchs; and forget this happened
22:44 immibis; bnchs: people not giving a shit about nazis, is how the nazis happened
22:45 immibis; all it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing
22:45 bnchs; ok, is the golden rule of internet forgotten by now?
22:45 immibis; as MinceR said would you rather make them fuck off now when it's just yelling, or wait for them to point a gun in your face, and then tell them to fuck off?
22:45 bnchs; that you shouldn't trust anything in the internet?
22:45 MinceR; did i say that?
22:45 immibis; "<MinceR> don't worry, they'll get in your face eventually"
22:46 MinceR; yeah, i don't know when is the right time to start killing them
22:46 immibis; only kill people if they are trying to kill you
22:46 bnchs; look, the point is
22:46 immibis; otherwise don't.
22:46 bnchs; i don't like actual nazis
22:47 immibis; but that doesn't mean they have to be tolerated, just because they aren't trying to kill you yet
22:47 immibis; there are steps between toleration and killing
22:47 bnchs; but i can take tons of dark humor jokes
22:47 immibis; bnchs: what is your evidence that the cockli guy isn't a nazi?
22:47 immibis; i mean, he put "hitler did nothing wrong" in big shaking text on his homepage
22:48 MinceR; i also don't know the right point and way to start silencing them
22:48 bnchs; just because someone types "hitler did nothing wrong" doesn't mean they're an actual nazi
22:48 bnchs; tons of old 4chan jokes were about that
22:48 bnchs; i said OLD
22:48 MinceR; i don't think i've seen that phrase from people who didn't mean it
22:48 immibis; bnchs: tons of people who engaged in those jokes grew up to be nazis
22:48 immibis; that's plausibly where the far right movement came from. edgy "humour"
22:48 immibis; you can only type that so many times before you start believing it
22:48 bnchs; look in his website now
22:48 MinceR; also, just plain edginess
22:49 bnchs; is it guilty until proven innocent?
22:49 immibis; see, I typed "abolish capitalism" a bunch of times and now I'm a communist
22:49 MinceR; some kids decided that authoritarianism is the edgiest thing ever, and so must be followed
22:49 bnchs; if you can't take edgy jokes
22:50 bnchs; then i can see why
22:50 immibis; bnchs: i don't care about edgy jokes. I care about the fact they lead to actual edginess and then actual authoritarian fascism
22:50 immibis; and that leads to genocide and world war
22:50 bnchs; you can start lurking his twitter
22:50 bnchs; see if there's actual nazism
22:50 bnchs; also lets see KYM
22:51 bnchs; ""Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" is a statement [[[used for trolling purposes]]] to deny that the acts Adolf Hitler was responsible for during his reign were morally wrong."
22:51 bnchs; the statement is mostly used for trolling
22:51 MinceR; it's pretty easy to see it isn't a joke when the same people have repeated it 9001 times for 10 years and for some reason it's still supposed to be funny
22:51 immibis; did you not see that most of these edgy people GREW UP TO BE ACTUAL NAZIS?
22:51 bnchs; immibis, tell me one
22:52 MinceR; perhaps for some people repeating the same thing ad nauseam substitutes for being actually funny?
22:52 bnchs; it's used for the purposes to try to be the most offensive
22:55 MinceR; turns out practicing nazism is more offensive than spouting nazism
22:55 MinceR; "it's just a prank, bro!"
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22:57 SomeH4x0r; wb, though I leave in a few minutes
22:58 matey; hi
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 95.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 316.23
22:59 MinceR; i guess humanity failing to cross The Great Filter is even funnier :>
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23:00 SomeH4x0r; failing? or not caring?
23:00 MinceR; failing
23:00 MinceR; going extinct
23:00 bnchs; immibis: i just wish i could accept everyone
23:01 TR News; "In my previous blog, I discussed the random placement of the animal cards and avoiding the overlap between two animal cards. As we are moving towards the end of the SoK period. I want to thank my mentors for resolving all my doubts(mostly silly) and helping me improve." https://samarthrajwrites.wordpress.com/2022/04/08/sok22-week-11-finalizing-the-left-right-click-activity/
23:01 TR Bot; Sok22 Week 11: Finalizing the Left-Right Click Activity Samarth raj
23:02 TR News; <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" />
23:02 bnchs; well i just wish i could accept everyone, even nazis
23:02 bnchs; thats why i'm arguing about this
23:02 matey; you can accept nazis in a way
23:02 TR News; Latest Linux Magazine Issue Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163481
23:02 TR Bot; Latest Linux Magazine Issue | Tux Machines
23:02 matey; as idiots who should probably kill themselves
23:02 matey; i knew a former white supremacist
23:02 bnchs; well ok
23:03 matey; he thought it was pretty stupid actually. but i dont know if he was ever a "nazi"
23:03 TR News; "I used Pipewire for a while a year or so back and it was a little flaky, I've now returned and it's incredible how far Linux audio has come, I have no reason to keep PulseAudio in my life the only problems it has are problems I also had on PulseAudio" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=A6tomqOZvM4
23:03 TR Bot; PulseAudio Is Dead To Me: Pipewire Is Here To Stay - Invidious
23:03 matey; he was more of a hippie after that
23:03 matey; /me shrugs
23:04 TR News; Git Annex Is The Coolest Program Youve Never Heard Of - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=p0eVyhv2rbk Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
23:04 TR Bot; Git Annex Is The Coolest Program You've Never Heard Of - Invidious
23:04 matey; "what were you doing before this?" <- darryl from the office, in "zack and miri" talking to the guy who played randall in "clerks"
23:04 matey; "white supremacist"
23:04 TR News; Mark Shuttleworth looking for slaves to become his marketers https://fossforce.com/2022/04/mayday-mayday-mayday-ubuntus-throwing-a-release-party-and-needs-speakers/
23:04 TR Bot; Ubuntu's Throwing a Release Party and Needs Speakers! - FOSS Force
23:04 matey; "man... fuck you"
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23:06 matey; america built its space programme on "rescued" nazi scientists
23:06 matey; as far as i know...
23:06 immibis; bnchs__: accepting everyone is a logical contradiction. look up paradox of tolerance
23:06 matey; its a complex issue. because its not like these scientists were marching around the camps killing people
23:06 matey; and being part of the regime wasnt exactly optional
23:06 bnchs__; i don't wanna hold hate against anyone
23:07 TR News; People are the best data cleaners https://www.datafix.com.au/BASHing/2022-04-08.html
23:07 TR Bot; People are the best data cleaners
23:07 matey; but then again when randall munroe gets on a high horse i wanna say "okay, 'nazis in space'"
23:07 schestowitz-TR; operation paperclip
23:07 matey; yep
23:07 schestowitz-TR; see book "nazis next door"
23:07 schestowitz-TR; it's recent
23:07 matey; before his time of course
23:07 matey; but i mean.
23:07 matey; nasa/nazi
23:08 matey; its a bit of an ethical grey area imo
23:08 schestowitz-TR; allianz=allnaz
23:08 matey; let edwin deny sort it out, hes the expert (really)
23:08 schestowitz-TR; allianz=allnazi
23:08 immibis; bnchs__: paradox of tolerance
23:08 matey; /me thinks the paradox of tolerance is a bit hyped up as an answer to everything
23:08 schestowitz-TR; Werner Vonn ICBM
23:08 MinceR; has randall munroe ever got off the high horse?
23:08 matey; used more often to censor people than for ethical quandries
23:09 matey; <MinceR> has randall munroe <- you know what they say, if you keep making that face itll get stuck that way
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23:10 matey; i think theyre all useless. let more prove me wrong, that would be great.
23:10 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro
23:10 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro
23:10 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Tom Lehrer - Wernher von Braun - Invidious
23:10 immibis; matey: bnchs is saying he wants to tolerate intolerance. it's a direct application
23:10 MinceR; > if you keep making that face itll get stuck that way
23:10 matey; immibis: its directly relevant yes
23:10 MinceR; has that ever happened?
23:10 matey; i question its usefulness
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23:11 matey; what if we werent talking about nazis?
23:11 matey; what if we were talking about northern ireland and the republic instead?
23:11 bnchs; i mean i'm not a nazi whatsoever
23:11 TR News; Canonical licks boots of military company ICBM, loves the taste of it https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-22-04-lts-is-ready-for-ibm-z16
23:11 Alternative link; CloudFlare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-22-04-lts-is-ready-for-ibm-z16 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-22-04-lts-is-ready-for-ibm-z16
23:11 TR Bot; z16 is here, and Ubuntu 22.04 LTS beta is ready | Ubuntu
23:11 immibis; matey: what about it?
23:11 matey; immibis: i dont know, thats the thing
23:11 bnchs; but really i don't wanna hate anyone
23:11 matey; /me shrugs
23:12 matey; bnchs: good news, it isnt mandatory (in most places)
23:12 matey; though i would warn any decent person against being a doormat
23:12 matey; because doormats get exploited and used against good people by bad people
23:12 TR News; Canonical to ICBM (with a boot in its mouth): hmmmm. DELICIOUS! Can we taste the other boot?
23:12 matey; or against bad people by bad people (sometimes better bad people, sometimes worse bad people)
23:12 bnchs; oh
23:12 matey; doormats get used, dont be one
23:12 bnchs; well i'm sorry if i ever had this argument
23:12 matey; but you dont have to hate anybody
23:13 bnchs; because it kinda put me in a chokehold
23:13 matey; bnchs: im speaking generally. i never said you were one.
23:13 matey; bnchs: i wouldnt worry about it
23:14 *bnchs__ (~bnchs@26tpzwqndpsi8.irc) has joined #techrights
23:14 bnchs__; anyway my connection is unstable (you know midnight ISP bullshit)
23:14 matey; yes
23:14 bnchs__; i can't talk right now
23:14 TR News; Mozilla Performance Blog: Performance Sheriff Newsletter (March 2022) https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/04/07/performance-sheriff-newsletter-march-2022/
23:14 Alternative link; CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/04/07/performance-sheriff-newsletter-march-2022/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/04/07/performance-sheriff-newsletter-march-2022/
23:14 TR Bot; Performance Sheriff Newsletter (March 2022) Mozilla Performance
23:14 matey; no worries
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23:16 TR News; CISA/NSA; we're ALL ABOUT SHARING! Microsoft shares back doors with us (and neither of us tells you) https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/07/guidance-sharing-cyber-incident-information
23:16 TR Bot; Guidance on Sharing Cyber Incident Information | CISA
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23:19 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/imagine
23:19 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Imagine
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23:20 matey; "malcolm x john lennon? cmon in and dig your father." "oh, hey pop." <- firesign theatre
23:20 bnchs; i hate when the connection gets unstable every midnight
23:20 bnchs; mixing a shithole ISP with tons of facebook live streams
23:20 matey; <bnchs> i hate when the connection gets unstable every midnight <- cool
23:20 bnchs; when everyone's at home
23:21 matey; so you can hate something at least :)
23:21 bnchs; yeah like microsoft
23:21 bnchs; i hate them too
23:21 matey; thats a good one
23:22 schestowitz-TR; FB leave steam=shit
23:22 matey; i signed up to play with an old ibm miniframe today
23:22 matey; i dont plan to do it for long, i dont feel bad about trying out a historical machine just to try it
23:22 matey; its not like im going to start using system i (yes thats what they call it)
23:22 schestowitz-TR; leave steam => because I cannot meet people IN PERSON
23:22 matey; /me tries to guess the connection between steam and fb
23:22 bnchs; our shithole ISP can't keep up with the bandwidth-intensive shit everyone in this country does
23:23 schestowitz-TR; steamy shit
23:23 schestowitz-TR; in greenland
23:23 matey; :)
23:23 bnchs; try putting metaverse in it aswell
23:23 schestowitz-TR; sent with 4 virtual farts farts farts farts
23:23 bnchs; this thing is starting to weigh on my connection speed a bit
23:24 matey; i think it would be nice to have reliable email you know, before they try to shove the matrix into these shitty over-booked leases to globally-pathetic internet backbones
23:24 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/meduza-publishes-new-footage-evidencing-civilian-murders-in-bucha-during-russian-occupation was this shared here?
23:24 Alternative link; CloudFlare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/meduza-publishes-new-footage-evidencing-civilian-murders-in-bucha-during-russian-occupation https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/meduza-publishes-new-footage-evidencing-civilian-murders-in-bucha-during-russian-occupation
23:24 TR Bot; NO TITLE
23:24 bnchs; yeah it's good
23:24 XRevan86; > Meduza publishes new footage evidencing civilian murders in Bucha during Russian occupation
23:24 matey; those arent murders, theyre special death operations
23:24 bnchs; giving more bandwidth to normie crap like facebook and instagram that consumes a shit ton
23:24 *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights
23:24 bnchs; and less bandwidth to lightweight protocol
23:25 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163482
23:25 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
23:25 immibis; it's a special routing operation bnchs
23:25 matey; hehe
23:25 bnchs; XRevan86, i already knew you were a brony, because when i looked up your name i saw "qt-ponies"
23:25 XRevan86; bnchs: heh
23:25 bnchs; and never said a single thing about it
23:26 matey; /me stopped watching fim after the divorce
23:26 matey; wife liked anime. and ponies.
23:26 matey; her mum reminded me a bit of pinkie pie (similar personality)
23:26 schestowitz-TR; ponies with horns
23:26 MinceR; https://www.lfg.co/page/42/
23:26 Alternative link; CloudFlare: lfg.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lfg.co/page/42/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.lfg.co/page/42/
23:26 TR Bot; Page 42
23:26 matey; ponies with horns and wings!
23:27 MinceR; horny ponies
23:27 matey; RAINBOW horny ponies
23:27 schestowitz-TR; pr0nies?
23:27 bnchs; clopping
23:27 matey; "princess celestia, you have to help me!"
23:28 matey; "what is it rainbow dash, whats wrong?"
23:28 matey; "ive got the clop!"
23:28 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows and Videos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163483
23:28 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows and Videos | Tux Machines
23:28 schestowitz; lxer does not double-check what it posts :/ http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/313832/index.html
23:28 TR Bot; Stat Command in Linux Use + Examples
23:28 bnchs; my little pony fanfic
23:28 bnchs; i must have walked into the wrong channel
23:29 matey; no this is still #techrights
23:29 XRevan86; matey:
23:29 matey; only this year, roys going with a mlp theme
23:29 schestowitz-TR; btw, are pwnies still going?
23:29 schestowitz-TR; I've not heard of them in years
23:29 schestowitz-TR; so either they don't publicised them or they stopped
23:29 matey; gnu/linux is magic
23:29 XRevan86; schestowitz: FiM is finished, but a new generation is up.
23:30 matey; /me only knows about the cgi ponies because he heard about them here
23:30 XRevan86; Ah, Pwnie Awards
23:30 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwnie_Awards
23:30 TR Bot; Pwnie Awards - Wikipedia
23:30 schestowitz; still going
23:30 matey; and then only from the wikipedia article
23:30 matey; if you think about it, mlp is on its 5th generation
23:30 schestowitz; 2021: Most Epic Fail: Microsoft, for their failure to fix PrintNightmare.[8]
23:30 matey; it goes all the way back to the 80s.
23:30 bnchs; schestowitz, microsoft is the most epic fail
23:30 bnchs; that says alot
23:30 matey; iif they go on any longer theyre going to merge with doctor who
23:31 schestowitz; bnchs: most wsine-e
23:31 matey; he will regenerate into an alacorn princess
23:31 matey; she
23:31 matey; /me shrugs
23:31 schestowitz; unixcron-> unicorn
23:31 MinceR; lol @ the clop
23:31 bnchs; epic fail
23:31 matey; /me has not kept up with the doctors gender since the guy from torchwood
23:31 XRevan86; matey: Erm, G5 is set in the distant future relative to G4.
23:31 XRevan86; With new characters.
23:31 matey; G5 is set in the <- yes, i read
23:31 matey; yes, i know
23:31 bnchs; MinceR: do not look it up
23:32 matey; doctor who has also moved on from previous casts
23:32 matey; but i like that they got the old voice actresses for the opening scene
23:32 XRevan86; matey: I don't get your idea on merging with Doctor Who then.
23:32 matey; that was a nice touch
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23:32 matey; <XRevan86> matey: I don't get your idea on merging with Doctor Who then <- okay, well its a stretch to begin with
23:33 matey; my point was that both have gone on through several regenerations
23:33 matey; and the casts change too, so...
23:33 XRevan86; Is RTD coming back to Doctor Who or did I dream that up?
23:33 XRevan86; "Russell T Davies to return as Doctor Who showrunner" <- Holy crap, it actually did happen.
23:34 matey; /me thought he did a great job rebooting
23:34 matey; still love baker, but eccleston and tennant: wonderful
23:34 XRevan86; Indeed. And Moffat did his best work under his supervision too.
23:35 matey; when i see james corden i still think hes the neighbour.
23:35 matey; doesnt matter if hes singing in the car next to selena gomez
23:35 XRevan86; matey: :)
23:35 matey; but i also liked him in gavin and stacey
23:36 bnchs; wtf
23:36 matey; /me loves welsh accents best
23:36 XRevan86; bnchs: "In June 2010, Corden played Craig Owens in the Doctor Who episode "The Lodger", in which the Doctor moved in with him."
23:36 bnchs; something's odd
23:37 bnchs; according to a pornhub survey, clop is mostly watched in central and eastern europe
23:37 matey; /me giggles
23:37 XRevan86; bnchs: I dont' have any part in this.
23:39 bnchs; sureeee :)
23:39 XRevan86; I do know people that do however :)
23:42 TR News; "Suspending your phone when its idle is the key way to increase overall battery life, and recently weve made progress in suspending the Librem 5" https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-suspend-preview/
23:42 TR Bot; Librem 5 Suspend Preview Purism
23:44 bnchs; well i don't know how a pony show managed to get a fanbase this big
23:44 bnchs; but i won't question it
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23:44 bnchs; i rather not know
23:44 XRevan86; bnchs: https://yewtu.be/vELn0VlSseo
23:44 TR Bot; Rainbow Dash - Yeah, it's a mystery - Invidious
23:45 TR News; Simon Sharwood propping up frauds and charlatans from Gartner; they're paid to lie https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/22/containers_vs_vms_vs_serverless/?sc_cid=7013a000002q6eQAAQ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
23:45 Alternative link; CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/22/containers_vs_vms_vs_serverless/?sc_cid=7013a000002q6eQAAQ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/22/containers_vs_vms_vs_serverless/?sc_cid=7013a000002q6eQAAQ
23:45 TR Bot; Containers may already be best for hybrid apps, says Gartner The Register
23:45 TR Bot; Gartner Group - Techrights
23:46 XRevan86; One tab: https://yewtu.be/qRC4Vk6kisY ; another tab: photographs of a woman who's head exploded because the Russian army shot her car with a cannon.
23:46 TR Bot; FPMV: "PFUDOR" - Invidious
23:46 matey; /me gives up on the fucking web
23:47 *MinceR gives up on the human species
23:47 matey; ive been trying for 10 minutes to get a goddamned picture of a monkey puppet
23:47 matey; i even tried captioning it to ... because maybe it wouldnt show the fucking picture without a caption
23:47 matey; /me questions the advantage of using "fucking" as a generic adjective in this context
23:47 schestowitz-TR; matey: you cannot
23:47 matey; but seriously
23:48 schestowitz-TR; oops
23:48 schestowitz-TR; to MinceR
23:48 MinceR; why?
23:48 schestowitz-TR; it doesm't work like this
23:48 schestowitz-TR; they prevent suicides
23:48 schestowitz-TR; they don't leave the homeless alone
23:48 schestowitz-TR; cannot make a habitat without buying "lot"
23:48 MinceR; who are "they"?
23:49 schestowitz-TR; the government !!!
23:49 bnchs; matey: do i look like i know what a JPEG is, i just want a picture of a god dang hotdog
23:49 matey; bnchs: lol
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23:50 matey; do i look like i know what a jay-queery is?
23:50 MinceR; preventing the human species from coming into existence would have prevented more suicides
23:50 matey; you should be pro-suicide, no?
23:50 matey; or does it only count if its everyone at once?
23:51 XRevan86; One person should take this advice for sure.
23:51 psydruid; they teach jay-queery at universities these days, because we all know it's such great technology
23:51 XRevan86; Pya V.V., come on already.
23:51 matey; /me doesnt support suicide because its nearly always the wrong guy
23:52 MinceR; suicide doesn't change much
23:52 matey; and also because epstein doesnt count for obvious reasons
23:52 XRevan86; MinceR: In that case it would.
23:52 MinceR; it's usually very painful and the individual has already experienced a lot of suffering before they can do it
23:52 MinceR; it's better to never have been born
23:52 TR News; IBM/Red Hat, Fedora and Ubuntu Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163484
23:52 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat, Fedora and Ubuntu | Tux Machines
23:53 schestowitz-TR; [19:15] <techrights-news> JS is a security threat: "jQuery versions prior to 3.0.0 are vulnerable to cross-site scripting (XSS) attacks when a cross-domain Ajax request is performed without the dataType option, causing text/javascript responses to be executed." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-097-01
23:53 TR Bot; Pepperl+Fuchs WirelessHART-Gateway | CISA
23:55 TR News; Devices: Librem 5, SmartKnob View, and New System on Chip. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163485
23:55 TR Bot; Devices: Librem 5, SmartKnob View, and New System on Chip | Tux Machines
23:58 TR News; The Bargain Bin B-Tree gemini://marginalia.nu/log/54-bargain-bin-btree.gmi
23:58 *hoy (~c02a7411@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
23:59 TR News; "Its so weird to me that hospitals, banks, shops, and government agencies are popping up GDPR stuff" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/gdpr
23:59 schestowitz-TR; hoy: oi!
23:59 MinceR; h'oi
23:59 bnchs; hoy 'oi
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