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00:01 TR News; This is predominantly a Microsoft Windows issue https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/news/252523341/Coveware-Median-ransom-payments-dropped-51-in-Q2
00:01 TR Bot; Coveware: Median ransom payments dropped 51% in Q2
00:02 TR News; SSH2 vs. SSH1 and why SSH versions still matter https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/tip/An-introduction-to-SSH2
00:02 TR Bot; SSH2 vs. SSH1 and why SSH versions still matter
00:09 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/enginomics
00:09 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Enginomics
00:26 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food
00:26 TR Bot; Eating your own dog food - Wikipedia
00:26 DaemonFC; " Coca-Cola allowing no Pepsi products in corporate offices"
00:26 DaemonFC; Pour a Pepsi into an empty Coke bottle and take it with you.
00:28 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], Don Melton recently said he switched to Windows from a Mac to use WSL.
00:30 DaemonFC; https://donmelton.com/2021/01/17/my-traitorous-move-to-windows/
00:30 TR Bot; My traitorous move to Windows
00:30 DaemonFC; :/
00:30 DaemonFC; I was considering installing Rocky Linux 9 on the old laptop.
00:30 DaemonFC; Just to give it a quick rundown and see how usable it is as a desktop.
00:30 DaemonFC; I think they said this release is supported through 2039 or something.
00:31 schestowitz[TR2]; hi, DaemonFC
00:31 schestowitz[TR2]; catching up
00:31 schestowitz[TR2]; it's august, I had to do many end of month tasks
00:31 schestowitz[TR2]; Rocky Linux is not for desk/laptops
00:31 schestowitz[TR2]; it can be used for that
00:31 schestowitz[TR2]; but there are better options
00:31 schestowitz[TR2]; you will miss many packages
00:32 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: 18 months ago is "recently "?
00:32 schestowitz[TR2]; Also, who is this Don guy?
00:32 schestowitz[TR2]; used Apple
00:32 schestowitz[TR2]; so likely not good technically
00:32 DaemonFC; He used to work at Apple leading the development of Safari.
00:32 schestowitz[TR2]; moving TO Windows for the circus known as "WSL" makes him look no better
00:33 DaemonFC; He's the one that announced Webkit to the KDE developers.
00:33 schestowitz[TR2]; so Apple culitist
00:33 schestowitz[TR2]; <DaemonFC> " Coca-Cola allowing no Pepsi products in corporate offices"
00:33 DaemonFC; I was reading some of his older posts about developing Safari in secret.
00:33 schestowitz[TR2]; that's like Linux Foundation now allowing Macs :-)
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; Safari is a dying browser
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; it cannot keep up
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; WebKit is outdated
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; the web is a joke
00:34 DaemonFC; He said what really terrified him was that Apple reserved a huge block of IP addresses so basically anything starting with 17. was known to be Apple.
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; and safari will need to become chrome clone
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; just to let Apple cultists still access many stes
00:34 DaemonFC; So they had to rig internal versions of Safari to say it was Microsoft Internet Explorer or a Mozilla browser while at work.
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; they say safari is the new ie6
00:34 schestowitz[TR2]; brb
00:35 DaemonFC; They didn't do much user agent testing until it was close to being announced because they didn't want anyone to connect everything that was going on and figure out what Safari must be before Steve Jobs announced it.
00:35 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR2]> WebKit is outdated
00:35 DaemonFC; Most of the missing HTML5 features are not real important or are REFUSED anyway.
00:35 DaemonFC; Google packs as many things into that spec as it can from Chrome.
00:36 schestowitz[TR2]; we plan to move more stuff to gemini
00:36 schestowitz[TR2]; et al
00:36 schestowitz[TR2]; for tthat,, we made a new CMS
00:37 DaemonFC; I'm using LibreWolf, SeaMonkey, and GNOME Web. It's sort of a nightmare to keep this all together.
00:37 DaemonFC; I like SeaMonkey Mail and News.
00:37 DaemonFC; GNOME Web has the best integration with my operating system and the best looking site layout.
00:37 DaemonFC; And LibreWolf supports Firefox extensions and WebRTC for the occasion I need to make a video call.
00:38 DaemonFC; I like the text rendering in GNOME Web. It may be something from Webkit or it might be something the GTK port does.
00:39 DaemonFC; It's probably from Webkit. Apple puts most of their effort into what things "look like".
00:39 DaemonFC; I don't think WebkitGTK is a bad Web engine as these things go, or certainly not the worst.
00:39 DaemonFC; Gecko and Chromium are both a bloated mess.
00:40 DaemonFC; Gecko has so much Rust in it now that compiling it is about as straightforward a proposal as compiling Chromium.
00:40 DaemonFC; Mozilla's propaganda about Rust is irritating. They make it sound like they couldn't make a CSS renderer or Compositor that performed well in C or C++.
00:41 DaemonFC; Most of the performance issued Mozilla had with that had nothing to do with C or C++, but more to do with the fact that they were the oldest implementation out there, dating back into the 1990s.
00:41 DaemonFC; They had been kept "modern enough" to work, but not performance optimized.
00:41 TR News; "This new version of re-search.py adds a regex for UNCs to the library and has a Python 3 fix." https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/07/24/update-re-search-py-version-0-0-21/
00:41 TR Bot; Update: re-search.py Version 0.0.21 | Didier Stevens
00:42 DaemonFC; You can see the jank that "Project Quantum" blog posts talked about when comparing something like scrolling a page against old versions of Gecko, but not with GNOME Web, which is at least as smooth as "Firefox Quantum".
00:44 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], Webkit didn't really so much "port" KHTML away from Qt as it did abstract some Qt APIs that KHTML was using at the time.
00:45 DaemonFC; It was easier to create the KWQ library and let all of the internal Qt dependencies use that, than it would have been to go digging out all of the dependencies.
00:45 TR News; https://cacm.acm.org/opinion/articles/262914-when-should-a-black-box-be-transparent/fulltext
00:45 TR Bot; When Should a Black Box Be Transparent? | Opinion | Communications of the ACM
00:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], As long as Rocky Linux supports Flatpaks, you can selectively use those.
00:47 DaemonFC; They likely don't package an RPM of GNOME Web anyway, but I know there's a Flatpak of it.
00:47 DaemonFC; Red Hat tends not to package software they don't officially support. My guess is you'll need EPEL, RPM Fusion, and Flatpak.
00:48 phanes; i dont understand why anyone is using flatpak at all
00:48 schestowitz[TR2]; laziness
00:49 schestowitz[TR2]; not wanting to package things
00:49 phanes; its dangerous to use
00:49 schestowitz[TR2]; container mindset
00:49 schestowitz[TR2]; "could not be bothered... here's a big bag of binaries"
00:50 phanes; yeah im just saying, for a community so concerned about turning on anything with "security" in its product name, they sure are overlooking something fairly obvious to anyone
00:50 phanes; snapd is even worse
00:51 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR2]> "could not be bothered... here's a big bag of binaries"
00:51 DaemonFC; What's the alternative?
00:52 DaemonFC; The author of the program individually installing over 100 distros and compiling separate packages for all of them?
00:52 phanes; ^
00:52 phanes; no
00:52 phanes; but yes
00:52 DaemonFC; They all have their own policies. You can't expect the distributions to automatically take your program and package it.
00:52 phanes; let distros manage their own packages if they wont standardize on a package format
00:53 DaemonFC; Red Hat lawyers will decide what's in Fedora.
00:53 phanes; keyword: distros not developers
00:53 DaemonFC; If you want to give your user a nice Nintendo emulator, RH is not going to package it.
00:53 DaemonFC; RPM Fusion builds whatever the hell they feel like.
00:53 DaemonFC; Sometimes it's there, sometimes it isn't.
00:54 DaemonFC; They sometimes play favorites and choose software I don't like very much and then say the better program would be "redundant".
00:56 MinceR; 01 015219 < DaemonFC> The author of the program individually installing over 100 distros and compiling separate packages for all of them?
00:56 MinceR; the author packaging their binaries in a way that doesn't suck
00:56 MinceR; see xonotic as an example
00:57 TR News; Linux Mint 21 Vanessa' released, available in Cinnamon, MATE, and Xfce flavours http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167848#comment-34471
00:57 TR Bot; New Release of Linux Mint (3 Flavours) | Tux Machines
00:57 MinceR; iirc virtualbox was packaged well, too
00:58 TR News; "He also notes that the next kernel is likely to be 6.0." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167861#comment-34470
00:58 TR Bot; Linux Kernel 5.19 Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
00:58 matey; <phanes> snapd is even worse <- yes because it gives ubuntu a monopoly
00:58 matey; flatpak gives that monopoly to ibm instead
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
00:59 matey; and ubuntu gives it to microsoft
00:59 matey; but flatpak also fucks the user in nasty android-like ways. i wouldnt use either of htem
00:59 matey; is this my computer, or yours
01:00 matey; "we are just borrowing it?"
01:00 matey; oh yeah, until when?
01:00 matey; "for as long as you use flatpak or snapd"
01:02 TR News; People of WordPress: Carla Doria https://wordpress.org/news/2022/07/people-of-wordpress-carla-doria/
01:02 TR Bot; People of WordPress: Carla Doria WordPress News
01:02 matey; appimage, probably dead by now, seems the least offensive of these
01:02 matey; granted someone likes macs
01:02 matey; it almost looks like a package system. the other two are package cults
01:04 TR News; Q4OS 4.10 is out https://q4os.org/blog.html
01:04 TR Bot; Q4OS - desktop operating system
01:04 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: vendor lockin
01:04 schestowitz[TR2]; hence mint rejects snaps
01:05 schestowitz[TR2]; and goes out of iuts way to make it hard to add support for it
01:05 schestowitz[TR2]; while making LMDE
01:05 DaemonFC; AppImage has a program to update your other AppImages.
01:05 DaemonFC; That at least makes it better than Windows or a Mac.
01:05 schestowitz[TR2]; Mark Shuttleworth (MS) learned from MSFR
01:05 schestowitz[TR2]; *MSFT
01:06 DaemonFC; Mark Shuttleworth 2004: Bug 1: Microsoft has a monopoly.
01:06 TR News; "Sorry, SPVM continues to undergo heavy changes. After building real-world modules and applications, I realized that a lot of changes needed to be made. You can see what I'm currently working on below." http://blogs.perl.org/users/yuki_kimoto/2022/08/spvm-continues-to-undergo-heavy-changes.html
01:06 DaemonFC; Mark Shuttleworth 2022: Don't bother leaving Microsoft. Just use WSL. It's terrific!
01:06 TR Bot; continues to undergo heavy changes. | Yuki Kimoto Perl Blog - Perl Club [blogs.perl.org]
01:06 TR News; Czkawka is Your Swiss Knife For Cleaning Files on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167869 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/31/Czkawka_is_Your_Swiss_Knife_For_Cleaning_Files_on_Linux.shtml
01:06 TR Bot; Czkawka is Your Swiss Knife For Cleaning Files on Linux | Tux Machines
01:06 TR Bot; Tux Machines Czkawka is Your Swiss Knife For Cleaning Files on Linux
01:07 DaemonFC; Microsoft 2001: Linux is a cancer. Microsoft 2022: Use Snaps, they're amazing! We package all of our software for Snaps!
01:08 TR News; diaspora* version 0.7.18.0 released! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167870 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/diaspora_version_0.7.18.0_released!.shtml
01:08 TR Bot; diaspora* version 0.7.18.0 released! | Tux Machines
01:08 TR Bot; Tux Machines diaspora* version 0.7.18.0 released!
01:09 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> matey: vendor locki
01:09 matey; that too
01:11 MinceR; does AppImage need to be updated?
01:12 matey; https://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Librethreat_Database#Appliance-like_Distributions
01:12 TR Bot; Librethreat Database - Techrights
01:12 matey; <MinceR> does AppImage need to be updated <- appimage doesnt count for anything unless people use it
01:12 matey; and everyone seems to do systemd-flatpakd
01:13 matey; if it was used, im sure it would be updated
01:13 matey; if its not used, its moot
01:13 matey; like whats the point of apt if nothing is packaged for it
01:14 matey; /me never even hears about appimage anymore, its mostly useful for comparison
01:24 matey; i might even dispute phanes on this and say flatpak is intended to prevent people from forking systemd and making it only init/zombie process manager
01:25 matey; though really, its like microsoft word-- every feature is meant to keep you from removing it
01:25 matey; the main thing that kept people using mozilla wasnt mozilla, it was some plugin
01:25 matey; eventually mozilla sabotaged their plugin system enough that people lost the one thing keeping them using mozilla anyway
01:26 matey; granted it wasnt that they moved to an arguably better system
01:26 matey; it was the way they broke the legs of any plugin that didnt get rewritten
01:26 matey; thanks, i wasnt using that or anything
01:27 matey; fuck mozilla
01:36 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> and goes out of iuts way to make it hard to add support for it <- that could just be linux mint sucking off flatpak imo
01:36 matey; like keeping people from snap is good
01:37 matey; doing it just to help flatpak monopoly, ehh
01:37 matey; maybe ibm is a sponsor, who knows
01:37 matey; debian certainly held their ankles for systemd
01:38 matey; (whether standing or laying down)
01:38 matey; i would say laying down, debian doesnt stand for anything at all
01:54 schestowitz[TR2]; Ariadne: is port 1965 not open on hv or the container?
01:55 schestowitz[TR2]; I cannot seem to reach over gemini, no matter what I try
01:55 Ariadne; theres no firewall on the hv
01:55 schestowitz[TR2]; thanks, I try another approach
01:56 AdmFubar; https://lifehacker.com/how-retail-stores-track-you-using-your-smartphone-and-827512308?fbclid=IwAR3WLRrYaHL77CWFnvn0zMzSUK95_jWGqXvhckJuSurQ5szxbLsVtSc6KiI
01:56 TR Bot; How Retail Stores Track You Using Your Smartphone (and How to Stop It)
01:56 schestowitz[TR2]; it's easy
01:56 schestowitz[TR2]; don't carry one
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
01:59 MinceR; or don't go to any retail stores
02:00 matey; no retail stores?
02:00 schestowitz[TR2]; or do not exist
02:01 MinceR; or ensure that others don't exist
02:02 AdmFubar; just turn off your wifi
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02:04 schestowitz[TR2]; MinceR: : all the above
02:04 schestowitz[TR2]; no you, no others, no retail stores, no mobile phones
02:04 schestowitz[TR2]; planet bliss
02:06 DaemonFC; https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/19255462/182025697-e476df53-6b2d-48be-ac33-4065be251804.png
02:06 DaemonFC; Google Safe Browsing now says the GitHub page with MS Edge Redirect is "malware".
02:07 MinceR; they're probably right
02:07 DaemonFC; Firefox now blocks it.
02:07 MinceR; shithub does have malware on it
02:07 MinceR; e.g. systemd
02:09 DaemonFC; https://github.com/AveYo/fox/blob/main/Edge_Removal.bat
02:09 TR Bot; at main AveYo/fox GitHub
02:09 DaemonFC; There's a batch script that removes Edge from Windows 10 and 11.
02:11 matey; flatpak too
02:11 matey; which i suppose like most things is systemd
02:12 matey; after i found out they had taken over home directories, i remove all my home directories just to be safe
02:12 matey; im not using gnu/linux but you cant be too careful (ok obviously this is a stupid joke)
02:12 matey; (but hey, so is systemd)
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02:17 MinceR; :>
02:22 matey; Fortunately, Lennart went beyond that initial idea, and systemd-homed has essentially turned into a new way of doing user management (including remotely mountable CIFS shares!). Which, of course, breaks the essentials of Unix tradition (no /etc/passwd, JSON, etc) and people is going to hate him forever for that reason. level 2 2 yr. ago
02:23 phanes; that just really can never be adopted by a serious distribution
02:23 matey; systemd-homed cannot be disabled Issue #15083 - GitHub
02:24 matey; just go ahead and give lennart root access to everyones computer
02:24 matey; he will sort it all out
02:24 matey; you can trust him, after all hes not the biggest wanker in the complete history of free software
02:24 matey; /me would probably trust hans reiser slightly more
02:25 matey; "keys to my house? sure, why not?"
02:26 matey; he didnt sign the anti-stallman letter but he made fun of people for supporting him
02:27 matey; systemd has EXACTLY the same attitude about these things that microsoft does
02:27 matey; 1. break what isnt broken
02:27 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D309.jpg
02:27 matey; 2. implement it TERRIBLY
02:27 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D660.jpg
02:27 matey; 3. force people to use it
02:27 matey; 4. blame everyone else
02:28 matey; what does this have to do with free software? this is exactly what free software was supposed to stand against
02:28 matey; fsf: erm, uhhhhhh, i dunno...
02:28 matey; stallman: has it got a free license? a free license means you can fix it!
02:29 matey; "hey there, im gonna break your legs. but this comes with a free license, so YOU can FIX it!"
02:29 TR News; "The obvious use cases for fault-tolerant computers are when maintenance or repairs are extremely hard to do (spacecraft) or when failures are extremely costly (nuclear power plants)." https://matt-rickard.com/fault-tolerant-design/
02:29 TR Bot; ( status 308 @ https://matt-rickard.com/fault-tolerant-design/ )
02:29 matey; gpl software: the software thats LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to sabtage even if you try really hard!
02:29 matey; /me waves fsf flag
02:30 matey; granted id still recommend gnu/linux over windows
02:30 matey; its just that the fsf isnt doing shit to maintain the distinction, and the distinction is getting more narrow (has been for years)
02:31 matey; fsf: we literally dont have a clue
02:31 TR News; "Quantum computers made from imperfect diamonds could stop themselves from overheating just by running an algorithm. Most quantum machines must be kept at low temperatures, but algorithmic cooling might allow quantum computers to perform well at room temperature in the future." https://www.newscientist.com/article/2326916-quantum-computer-cools-itself-down-by-performing-calculations/
02:31 TR Bot; Quantum computer cools itself down by performing calculations | New Scientist
02:31 matey; our hands are tied! but we made a video
02:31 matey; its got giants eating people!
02:31 matey; which is basically what happened to the fsf...
02:31 matey; dont worry, hopping through a cave on a pogo stick will help!
02:32 matey; "but i can fly"
02:32 matey; but pogo sticks are FUN!"
02:32 matey; "did get hungry in the cave and eat those mushrooms?"
02:32 matey; "yeah, right before we found the pogo sticks"
02:32 matey; "okay, cool"
02:33 matey; probably explains why they could fly too
02:33 TR News; Energy wasted on pyramid schemes https://venturebeat.com/2022/07/24/does-the-engineering-world-need-to-care-about-nfts-and-blockchain/
02:33 TR Bot; the engineering world need to care about NFTs and blockchain? | VentureBeat
02:34 TR News; Long Hiatus: Emacs Upgrades https://two-wrongs.com/long-hiatus-emacs-upgrades
02:34 TR Bot; Long Hiatus: Emacs Upgrades
02:36 TR News; Docker Slim - Earthly Blog https://earthly.dev/blog/docker-slim/ Source: earthly | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//earthly.dev/blog/docker-slim/
02:36 TR Bot; Docker Slim - Earthly Blog
02:36 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-310722.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-310722.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-310722.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-310722.txt
02:36 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, July 31, 2022
02:37 TR News; When media is just lobbying https://michaelwest.com.au/triumph-of-the-teals-a-media-love-in-rolls-on/
02:37 TR Bot; Triumph of the Teals: a media love-in rolls on - Michael West
02:37 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-310722.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-310722.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-310722.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-310722.txt
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02:37 DaemonFC; https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-apple-tells-if-youve-dropped-your-iphone-into-water/
02:37 TR Bot; how Apple tells if you've dropped your iPhone into water | ZDNet
02:37 DaemonFC; If the phone is waterproof, why do they have warranty-voiding stickers inside that turn red when water has been in the phone?
02:38 TR News; "What are my thoughts on this? Its never happening! I didnt start a personal blog, so Id be posting here random content from random sources. My blog, my thoughts, my rules. I dont care about making money out of my blog - I care only about writing down my thoughts and sharing them with the world." https://batsov.com/articles/2022/07/25/a-note-about-guest-posts/
02:38 TR Bot; A Note About Guest Posts - (think)
02:38 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-310722.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-310722.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-310722.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-310722.txt
02:38 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, July 31, 2022
02:38 MinceR; because it's apple
02:39 MinceR; and the people apple looks down upon the most are apple's customers
02:39 MinceR; rightfully so
02:39 ulf; FSF and RMS are dishonest
02:39 TR News; "Promises of a kinder, gentler politics are the stock-in-trade of new governments. Tony Abbott boasted that the adults are back in charge when he won government in 2013." https://michaelwest.com.au/theres-a-new-sheriff-in-town-and-43-into-47-will-go/
02:39 TR News; Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-310722.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-310722.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-310722.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-310722.txt
02:39 TR Bot; There's a new sheriff in town (and 43 into 47 will go) - Michael West
02:39 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, July 31, 2022
02:39 ulf; the smear campaign against RMS, distracted from whatever else they did
02:39 schestowitz[TR2]; ulf: hi aggi
02:39 MinceR; "if you still buy our products, you deserve what you get."
02:39 ulf; schestowitz[TR2]: aggi?
02:40 matey; <ulf> FSF and RMS are dishonest <- about what?
02:40 matey; oh, its you
02:40 MinceR; it's probably activelow
02:40 ulf; activelow?
02:40 ulf; no clue
02:40 matey; i vas born in dusseldorf! und that is why they call me ulf!
02:40 ulf; FSF and RMS are dishonest about their software quality
02:40 matey; mmhmm
02:40 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-07-31.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-07-31.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:41 matey; welcome back
02:41 ulf; with this smear campaign, they can victimize themselves now;
02:42 ulf; oh, feel compassion, for those liars and cheaters.
02:42 XRevan86; I sure love a good GCC update with the new C++ features.
02:42 matey; its springtime, for hitler, and germany!
02:42 ulf; this is what they're really good at: marketing and campaigning
02:43 matey; thats true, they have pivoted to marketing
02:43 matey; they used to be activists
02:43 XRevan86; matey: TinyCC-inator
02:43 ulf; to sell IBM Wintel shitware
02:43 matey; i cc what you did there
02:44 TR News; Stop calling everything HEY HI https://techxplore.com/news/2022-07-irony-machine-ai.html
02:44 TR Bot; Irony machine: Why are AI researchers teaching computers to recognize irony?
02:44 matey; /me personally thinks the smear campaign was uglier than the fsf giving up and becoming a shadow of their former selves
02:45 TR News; HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI HEI HI https://cacm.acm.org/opinion/articles/262682-could-ai-replace-therapists/fulltext
02:45 TR Bot; Could AI Replace Therapists? | Opinion | Communications of the ACM
02:45 matey; granted im no fan of the occupation, if anything its a fraud
02:45 TR News; Surveillance is not HEY HI! https://venturebeat.com/2022/07/18/how-cornerstone-ai-is-making-data-right-for-healthcare-industry/ HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI! HEY HI!
02:45 TR Bot; Cornerstone AI is making data right for healthcare industry | VentureBeat
02:45 matey; the source code provided a level of transparency you cant sanely handwave away with "they liked about quality"
02:45 matey; unless of course, youve been huffing sixels all day
02:46 ulf; sixels?
02:46 matey; s/liked/lied
02:46 matey; ja doktor, sixels
02:47 TR News; "I connected each one to the AC power supply (120V 60Hz) and used a powermeter (GPM 8310, resolution 0,1 W) to measure the standby power consumption over 24 hours." https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/07/25/quickpost-standby-power-consumption-of-my-usb-chargers-120v-vs-230v/
02:47 TR Bot; Quickpost: Standby Power Consumption Of My USB Chargers (120V vs 230V) | Didier Stevens
02:47 matey; maybe he has a cousin in berlin
02:47 matey; who isnt as familiar with his work
02:47 TR News; "TCP's role is to ensure reliable transmission of packets. TCP is used on top of the Internet Protocol and they are commonly referred to as the TCP/IP suite. When a packet is sent over the internet, the data portion of an IP packet is wrapped in a TCP segment." https://sysadmin-journal.com/what-is-tls-encryption-and-how-does-it-secure-your-internet-communication/
02:48 TR Bot; What is TLS encryption and how does it secure your internet communication?
02:48 TR News; The problem is access to food, that people dont have money to pay for food, that people are jobless. https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/food_crisis_sanctions_russia_ukraine_climate
02:48 TR Bot; Food Shortage or Economic Crisis? Experts Say Poverty & Capitalism Are Real Drivers of Global Hunger | Democracy Now!
02:49 ulf; does FSF still "endorse" various of those "distros" with shitd init?
02:49 ulf; go for it, get a "RYF" certified IBM Wintel shittop.
02:50 matey; and would be baph-led by the running jokes
02:50 matey; i personally think sixels sound cool, i just didnt expect them to become a Core Feature of the greatest importance
02:50 matey; like This is the ultimately hallmark of quality!
02:50 matey; sixel support!
02:50 matey; without that, its barely even linux
02:50 matey; linux: its like fsf/rms/gnu, but with QUALITY
02:50 TR News; Surveillance at scale... in a large island https://sysadmin-journal.com/how-much-space-is-required-to-store-2-mins-of-data-captured-from-all-internet-traffic-in-mauritius/
02:50 TR Bot; How much space is required to store 2 mins of data captured from all internet traffic in Mauritius?
02:51 TR News; Facebook and Anti-Abortion Clinics Are Collecting Highly Sensitive Info on Would-Be Patients - Reveal https://revealnews.org/article/facebook-data-abortion-crisis-pregnancy-center/ Source: revealnews | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//revealnews.org/article/facebook-data-abortion-crisis-pregnancy-center/
02:51 TR Bot; Facebook and Anti-Abortion Clinics Are Collecting Highly Sensitive Info on Would-Be Patients - Reveal
02:51 MinceR; i'm not sure if the fsf endorses any distro without cancerd in it
02:52 TR News; Survival Analysis For Customer Retention https://two-wrongs.com/survival-analysis-for-customer-retention Source: two-wrongs | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//two-wrongs.com/survival-analysis-for-customer-retention
02:52 TR Bot; Survival Analysis For Customer Retention
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02:53 DaemonFC; GNOME is adding OneDrive support to Files.
02:53 TR News; "I say most, because it seemed to attract more trolls than anything Ive written in a long time." https://rubenerd.com/qa-about-my-new-nw-a55-walkman/
02:53 TR Bot; Q&A about my NW-A55 Walkman
02:54 MinceR; got to continue serving their idols at MICROS~1
02:54 DaemonFC; https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-online-accounts/-/merge_requests/97#note_1511365
02:54 TR Bot; Add Microsoft Graph support (!97) Merge requests GNOME / gnome-online-accounts GitLab
02:54 DaemonFC; "Add MS Graph API provider to enable initial O365 integration (files).
02:54 DaemonFC; "
02:55 TR News; The Dutton-proof fence has got a hole in it (got a hole in it) - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/the-dutton-proof-fence-has-got-a-hole-in-it-got-a-hole-in-it/ Source: michaelwest | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/the-dutton-proof-fence-has-got-a-hole-in-it-got-a-hole-in-it/
02:55 TR Bot; The Dutton-proof fence has got a hole in it (got a hole in it) - Michael West
02:55 DaemonFC; https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-online-accounts/-/issues/9
02:55 TR Bot; Add support for Office365 (#9) Issues GNOME / gnome-online-accounts GitLab
02:55 DaemonFC; Messias Junior @messiaslima.03 5 days ago
02:55 DaemonFC; Is this related to these ones? #9 #59 #102 #163 Does it solves any of them?
02:56 DaemonFC; n-Michael Brummer @jbrummer 5 days ago
02:56 DaemonFC; Author
02:56 DaemonFC; Developer
02:56 DaemonFC; Yes it will. At first run I've only implemented OneDrive support in my lib, but we are going to extend it.
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02:56 TR News; "RuboCops motto has always been The Ruby Linter that Serves and Protects.1 Now, with the addition of a server mode in RuboCop 1.31 that motto is truer than ever! But first - a bit of background." https://metaredux.com/posts/2022/07/26/rubocop-serves-much-faster.html
02:56 TR Bot; RuboCop Serves (Much) Faster | Meta Redux
02:56 matey; <MinceR> i'm not sure if the fsf endorses any distro without cancerd in it <- guix makes claims, but then they made claims about stallman too
02:57 matey; they dont use cancerd, they use elogind on github
02:57 matey; their own fork of elogind-- from github. on github.
02:57 matey; then gnu shepherd uses this
02:57 matey; a fully free distro with microsoft at its core
02:57 TR News; "The protagonist is a microcosm for the world, and their job is to spin around and around, until they propel the world through a single full revolution, giving us a complete, 360 view of the social speculation embodied by the world." https://pluralistic.net/2022/07/26/aislands/#dead-ringers
02:57 TR Bot; Pluralistic: 26 Jul 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
02:58 bnchs; fsf does endorse parabola/hyperbola
02:58 matey; roy said they handed leadership to someone else
02:58 bnchs; i'm gonna install funtoo
02:58 matey; but the someone else was also a signer
02:58 matey; <bnchs> fsf does endorse parabola/hyperbola <- i was getting to this
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02:58 matey; hyperbola is fsf-approved
02:58 matey; they tried to do like devuan but fully free
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02:59 matey; now they try to redo openbsd, i think its a great idea
02:59 matey; hyperbola is the last thing connected (barely) to the fsf and its approval process that isnt a joke
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02:59 TR News; Crash tackled by reality: when your morality is my poison - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/crash-tackled-by-reality-when-your-morality-is-my-poison/ Source: michaelwest | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/crash-tackled-by-reality-when-your-morality-is-my-poison/
02:59 TR Bot; Crash tackled by reality: when your morality is my poison - Michael West
02:59 matey; instead, its just unlikely. but i wish them well
02:59 matey; i would sack everyone except rms and the hyperbola people
02:59 DaemonFC; MinceR, I just checked and Microsoft Outlook still redirects GNOME Web to a fallback site.
02:59 matey; and call that the fsf
03:00 matey; and that would be better than what is there
03:00 DaemonFC; They've updated it though. It doesn't look like Hotmail in 1999 anymore.
03:00 matey; im not saying there arent good people at the fsf
03:00 matey; im saying any good people are ineffectual
03:00 matey; and it would be better to have a clean slate than an occupation
03:00 matey; so keep rms, send in hyperbola, scrap the rest
03:00 matey; or keep the mountain of shit thats there now
03:00 matey; seems like an easy choice
03:00 matey; would never happen-- bylaws, obviously
03:01 phanes; if they reduce to one project it'll look like theyre dying from the outside
03:01 matey; theyll hang themselves with their own bylaws
03:01 matey; <phanes> if they reduce to one project it'll look like theyre dying from the outside <- thats not untrue
03:01 matey; but im talking about people, not projects (granted, it the people FROM a project)
03:01 matey; what i mean is that the hyperbola people clearly care about freedom
03:01 matey; or theyre just insane. but imo they care
03:02 matey; and imo the fsf looks like its dying anyway
03:02 phanes; those arent mutually exclusive things
03:02 matey; fair point
03:02 phanes; they could be insane /and/ care about freedom
03:02 matey; its a likely enough combination
03:02 matey; britney makes too much of stallman eating some skin
03:03 matey; its really gross. but its a common compulsion thats co-morbid with asd, and shes (openly) on the spectrum
03:03 phanes; stallman needs to get some skin, i agree
03:03 matey; oh if you mean a relationship, i dont think you have to worry
03:03 phanes; i dont need to know the details of the conjugal visit, i just know it needs to happen
03:04 matey; i think youre making a reasonable enough assumption that is most likely false nonetheless
03:04 matey; also he could be ace, but i believe hes not.
03:04 matey; ive met a few aces this year
03:04 phanes; im pretty sure it would be like this: https://youtu.be/JxxNvfVfDB0
03:04 TR Bot; https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=JxxNvfVfDB0
03:04 TR Bot; ( status 500 @ https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=JxxNvfVfDB0 )
03:05 matey; theres a very different version of the free software song
03:05 matey; its not for the squeamish
03:05 matey; other than being old and overweight and... on the spectrum, theres nothing inherently horrible about rms from a dating standpoint
03:06 matey; and the reason i outline like that is
03:06 matey; all three of those things can be (and often are) overlooked
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03:06 matey; maybe not always often enough, but, yknow-- just the same
03:07 phanes; eh, he needs to get an apartment
03:07 phanes; or a loft
03:07 matey; his place looks nice
03:07 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 13 MB TotalOut: 2.3 MB
03:07 phanes; doesn't he sleep in the mit office
03:07 matey; nicer than mine, if its where he did the video from
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03:08 matey; its not like hes under a bridge with a fema blanket
03:08 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:08 matey; or stretched out on a couch next to a parrot cage
03:09 matey; heres a guy whos set out to do nearly impossible shit
03:09 matey; hes done pretty much everything hes set out to do
03:09 matey; and much more than this, he did it his way...
03:09 IPFS; QmYCHDLUuZZxWmEJTbrpvFMNBk7mBbD8uoTPPRsWSqCC2L
03:09 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:10 phanes; great, im just saying, accomplishment is only half the measure of a man
03:10 matey; whats the other half
03:10 matey; character?
03:10 matey; we cant be implying he doesnt have that
03:10 phanes; mostly, but there are basic life milestones to chase there
03:10 matey; i mean
03:10 matey; he had plenty of money to live off of
03:11 matey; he could have bought an apartment
03:11 matey; his values are... communal
03:11 matey; he prefers couchsurfing to the hotel industry
03:11 phanes; great for making a stand until old age sets in and its time to retire
03:12 matey; society used to take care of their old
03:12 matey; now they warehouse them
03:12 matey; i dont blame him for not putting stock in that model. its inhumane
03:12 mjg59_; Oh rms definitely dates
03:12 matey; ^ yep
03:12 phanes; you can choose not to plan for old age
03:12 phanes; but even if you don't, old age will plan for you still
03:12 matey; very true
03:13 phanes; and it's far less packed with dignity when its hand is forced
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03:13 phanes; and shorter
03:13 mjg59_; He tells a story about being at some science fiction convention years ago where they convinced ESR that there was going to be an orgy in his hotel room and ESR turns up just in a bathrobe and nothing else and spoiler there's no orgy
03:14 phanes; in all fairness to ESR im not passed wearing robes for like 2 solid months since this covid thing hit
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03:14 phanes; ill go down to the grocery store in my house loafers and pick out tomatoes and shit
03:15 ulf; the mountain of chaos left behind by 40 years of FSF/GNU piles up to the roof
03:15 phanes; id like to eventually have a place where i can build a greenhouse and just grow my own
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03:17 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> He tells a story about being at some science fiction convention years ago where they convinced ESR that there was going to be an orgy in his hotel room and ESR turns up just in a bathrobe and nothing else and spoiler there's no orgy
03:17 DaemonFC; Are you sure this isn't a Matt GULAG story with the names changed up a little?
03:18 phanes; oh i didn't see the nick, i was just about to ask why it seemed like all the fun left the room
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03:18 matey; hi techuser
03:18 DaemonFC; Sometimes I just wear a bathrobe, Matt
03:18 DaemonFC; I'm not expecting an orgy though.
03:18 phanes; you should always be prepared
03:19 phanes; its like singing, it could break out at any time
03:19 DaemonFC; Yeah, why else would they make bathrobes?
03:19 phanes; especially afterwards
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03:19 phanes; we need to leave the orgies in the 70s where they belong, too many risks nowadays
03:20 DaemonFC; There's enough orgies for an entire industry of bathrobes.
03:20 DaemonFC; And they sell them at Walmart too. Can you believe that shit?
03:22 DaemonFC; Bill Gates heard OLPC and got behind it because he knew it had something to do with Africa and thought it meant One Bathrobe Per Child. It turned out to be a rather unfortunate e-mail mix-up.
03:22 DaemonFC; I hear he showed up to the launch party in just a bathrobe with a box set of Windows XP Home Starter Edition all disappointed.
03:22 DaemonFC; Decided to install it on the XOs just for the hell of it since he was there anyway.
03:23 bnchs; lol
03:23 bnchs; told his team "compile a special version of XP for me"
03:23 DaemonFC; Matt GULAG was standing in line in his bathrobe waiting for the GNU/Linux sticker to be removed and Bill's autograph.
03:24 DaemonFC; Matt GULAG was excited to learn that he could open as many Internet Explorers as he wanted to without hitting the three program limit, sitting there in the bathrobe, you see.
03:27 DaemonFC; So he was sitting there with Internet Explorer open working his handcrank, in the bathrobe.
03:27 DaemonFC; Get your mind out of the gutter, man. The computer had a handcrank.
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03:31 mjg59_; DaemonFC: You have a very rich set of fantasies about me, is this something we should talk about?
03:32 DaemonFC; <phanes> we need to leave the orgies in the 70s where they belong, too many risks nowadays
03:32 DaemonFC; Especially in San Francisco, where people "get it". (Monkeypox)
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03:44 MinceR; postal4 has bathrobe vending machines :>
03:46 matey; ideal for torvalds if he ever wants to code something again
03:47 matey; youd think bathrobes wouldnt be the smartest thing to put in a vending machine, even if its obviously designed to dispense them
03:47 matey; i mean theyre either fluffy or theyre shit
03:47 matey; how many can you fit unless the fucking thing is twice the size of a coke machine?
03:47 matey; how many people need a bathrobe that urgently?
03:47 matey; im curious how it works in terms of a business model
03:48 matey; i presume you can select a colour, even male/female style
03:48 matey; im not saying i wouldnt buy one, id be surprised to see one-- even in a hotel
03:48 mjg59_; Yeah you'd need to vacuum pack them and then you lose the fluffiness
03:48 matey; you could just as easily sell them at the front desk
03:49 matey; ive been to hotels where if you want a chocolate bar, you go to the front desk and buy it from the concierge
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03:50 matey; im not partial, for small items vending machines are slightly more convenient 95% of the time
03:51 matey; also if theyre sold at the front desk, they could keep them in a closet in a back room
03:51 matey; (where else but a hotel would such a vending machine make sense)
03:51 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Yeah you'd need to vacuum pack them and then you lose the fluffiness
03:51 DaemonFC; Bathrobe expert.
03:52 DaemonFC; I've been wearing the same one, I think, for like 20 years.
03:52 DaemonFC; It's in surprisingly good shape.
03:53 MinceR; maybe you can compress them like towels and have the user toss them in water to make them expand
03:53 MinceR; postal4 probably uses vending machines so you can still buy stuff even after killing/scaring off the shopkeeper NPCs :>
03:53 matey; /me drops a pill into the bath and pulls out a damp bathrobe
03:54 matey; OH its a game
03:54 MinceR; yes, and then you hang it up to dry and you get a dry bathrobe
03:54 MinceR; yes
03:54 matey; well that explains the level of realism
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03:55 matey; now im curious what purpose a bathrobe serves for the player
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03:55 DaemonFC; I liked Postal 2.
03:56 DaemonFC; Just walk up and piss on someone and they scream and run away.
03:56 bnchs; i pissed on a donut and watched a police officer eat it
03:56 bnchs; and then puke
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04:13 MinceR; clothing
04:13 MinceR; you start postal4 with not much more than a pair of boots, a shirt, a pair of pants and a bathrobe
04:13 MinceR; yeah, postal2 was better
04:14 phanes; they need to ditch multilib
04:15 MinceR; who are "they"?
04:16 phanes; everyone
04:18 MinceR; and how will they run 32bit and 64bit binaries on the same system?
04:18 MinceR; also, x32
04:19 phanes; i dont think they should
04:24 matey; 64 bit is still inefficient for systems without a shitload of ram
04:24 phanes; then install 32bit on those systems
04:25 matey; thats fine then
04:25 matey; /me isnt sure what the bad thing about multilib is though
04:25 phanes; its a huge fragile pain in the ass
04:25 matey; /me nods
04:25 phanes; from the user's perspective, hey, look at this, everything just works
04:25 phanes; but actually making a system multilib is perilous
04:26 matey; maybe they should do other things with their time
04:26 matey; and just compile for two different archs then
04:26 phanes; i mean, yeah
04:26 matey; i realise thats what youre saying
04:27 phanes; it would also simplify package management
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05:25 mjg59_; The only reason multilib is hard is that people wrote build systems that can't grasp that concept
05:26 mjg59_; Failing to support it isn't just a 32/64 bit issue - it's a cross-architecture support issue
05:26 mjg59_; It's actually useful to be able to run ARM binaries on x86!
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07:02 TR News; Linus Torvalds Released Linux Kernel 5.19 From An Apple Hardware Running Asahi Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167871
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07:06 TR News; Linux Mint 21 is now available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167848#comment-34473
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07:07 TR News; Josh Bressers: Episode 334 Leap seconds break everything https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/07/31/episode-334-leap-seconds-break-everything/
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07:08 TR Bot; SCaLE is all about Linux (Coverage Uploading Soon) - Invidious
07:11 TR News; CosmicStrand: the discovery of a sophisticated UEFI firmware rootkit https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6370959#post6370959 see http://techrights.org/wiki/UEFI
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07:14 TR Bot; Digital Transparency: A Right to Information Report for July 2022
07:14 TR News; Videos/Audiocasts/Shows: SCaLE 19x, Open Source Security Podcast, and GNU World Order Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167873 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/VideosAudiocastsShows:_SCaLE_19x,_Open_Source_Security_Podcast,_and_GNU_World_Order.shtml
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07:21 TR Bot; Linus Torvalds Released Linux Kernel 5.19 From An Apple Hardware Running Asahi Linux | Tux Machines
07:23 TR News; Antenna - A Python Player for Radio Streams gopher://zaibatsu.circumlunar.space:70/0/~visiblink/phlog/20220731
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07:36 TR News; Links 01/08/2022: diaspora* 0.7.18.0 and Media Distraction From Linux Release (Clickbait) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/media-distraction-from-linux-release/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/01/media-distraction-from-linux-release/
07:36 TR Bot; Links 01/08/2022: diaspora* 0.7.18.0 and Media Distraction From Linux Release (Clickbait) | Techrights
07:37 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167874 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Security_Leftovers.shtml
07:37 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
07:37 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
07:38 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167875 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/programming_2.shtml
07:38 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
07:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
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07:38 TR News; Docker Slim and Non-Obvious Docker Uses Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167876 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Docker_Slim_and_Non-Obvious_Docker_Uses.shtml
07:38 TR Bot; Docker Slim and Non-Obvious Docker Uses | Tux Machines
07:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Docker Slim and Non-Obvious Docker Uses
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07:47 TR News; TuxMachines now works over Gemini too \0/
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08:19 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 31, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/irc-log-310722/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/01/irc-log-310722/
08:19 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 31, 2022 | Techrights
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08:26 schestowitz[TR2]; gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/
08:26 schestowitz[TR2]; placeholder
08:26 schestowitz[TR2]; we've not yet done the code to properly enter the items there procedurally
08:27 schestowitz[TR2]; aka gemini://news.tuxmachines.org/
08:27 schestowitz[TR2]; but by convention it would be gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/
08:27 schestowitz[TR2]; with CGI support
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08:27 britney; schestowitz[TR2], i found a few providers of gemini hosting
08:28 schestowitz[TR2]; good
08:28 schestowitz[TR2]; we need more public capsules
08:28 schestowitz[TR2]; even if I don't agree with that Icke baloney
08:28 britney; yeah so im gonna have a gemini version of https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org
08:28 TR Bot; Cerberus Investigations
08:29 britney; its not just Icke
08:29 britney; its also Glen Kealey
08:29 britney; Glen Kealey is the person I got information about the neanderthals from
08:31 britney; Also my favourite gemini browser is Lagrange
08:31 TR News; Crimson and Clover gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1089
08:32 britney; SDL is what makes it awesome
08:34 TR News; IBM-sponsored site spreads IBM-sponsored lies, using the company's dirty accounting 'tricks'; journalism has been replaced by PR https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/01/ibm-finally-shows-some-growth-in-sales-and-profits/
08:34 TR Bot; IBM Finally Shows Some Growth In Sales And Profits - IT Jungle
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08:38 schestowitz[TR2]; MinceR and I think the opposite
08:39 schestowitz[TR2]; sdl2 was inadequate choice of troolkit
08:39 schestowitz[TR2]; not because of the micrsooft github aspect
08:39 schestowitz[TR2]; but because of usability issues
08:39 schestowitz[TR2]; sdl is for games typically
08:39 schestowitz[TR2]; but I know why jukka choise it (skyjake)
08:39 schestowitz[TR2]; cross-platform
08:39 schestowitz[TR2]; he makes android versions too, iirc
08:40 schestowitz[TR2]; qt also sucks atm
08:40 schestowitz[TR2]; for licensing reasons
08:40 schestowitz[TR2]; gtk has its share of issues
08:40 schestowitz[TR2]; tk/tcl is ugly
08:40 schestowitz[TR2]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tk_(software)
08:40 TR Bot; Tk (software) - Wikipedia
08:40 schestowitz[TR2]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcl
08:40 TR Bot; Tcl - Wikipedia
08:40 schestowitz[TR2]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcl
08:41 schestowitz[TR2]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tk_(software)#/media/File:Tk-Demo_using_Tk_8.6.6_on_Windows_10,_November_2016.png
08:41 TR Bot; Tk (software) - Wikipedia
08:41 schestowitz[TR2]; vista 10
08:41 schestowitz[TR2]; and looks like something from the 19990s
08:41 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> tk/tcl is ugly <- people always say this
08:41 matey; but the fact is that tk has been nicely themeable for eons
08:42 matey; people just never bother nicely theming it
08:42 matey; its half true, half myth
08:42 matey; if you want to critique tk, it doesnt support harfbuzz and will never render hindi properly
08:42 matey; but then harfbuzz is both github and a stallman canceller
08:43 matey; a non-github fork would be nice, as we seem to be stuck with harfbuzz for a very long time to come
08:43 matey; funnily enough, harfbuzz seems to mostly be a wrapper around something else-- but ive never seen that something else in any other context
08:44 matey; gnome: microsoft harfbuzz | gtk: same | kde: same
08:44 matey; and since a year or two ago, even emacs uses it
08:44 matey; microsoft emacs
08:45 matey; if you dont have it, hindi glyphs dont combine properly. i know, i tried it myself
08:46 matey; i still think harfbuzz should be optional
08:47 matey; youll still need it to do text properly in certain languages
08:48 matey; if you do bitmapped fonts instead, i dont think harfbuzz matters
08:48 matey; bitmap fonts arent too popular though, and roy would only say theyre ugly
08:48 matey; (they probably are)
08:50 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> and looks like something from the 19990s <- thats the default theming, every time
08:50 matey; while gtk decided fuck users, tk decided on stability
08:50 matey; tk would probably still work on an ancient machine-- it does what its designed for
08:50 matey; but for many years its been possibly to theme it with a nicer look
08:51 matey; people just dont bother to
08:51 matey; its funny because, tk is pretty much the only toolkit that gets so many things right that people complain about
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08:51 matey; bloated, unstable, etc
08:52 matey; but people still talk shit about the one toolkit that hasnt abandoned its best qualities
08:52 schestowitz[TR2]; <matey> <schestowitz[TR2]> tk/tcl is ugly <- people always say this
08:52 schestowitz[TR2]; haha, I knew you'd weight in
08:52 schestowitz[TR2]; if you saw that
08:52 schestowitz[TR2]; because you use it
08:53 schestowitz[TR2]; sorry, just got back with tea
08:53 matey; well it was either a troll or misinformed
08:53 schestowitz[TR2]; yes, I like stable toolkits
08:53 schestowitz[TR2]; that don't get too modern
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08:53 matey; i use it because fuck gtk and fuck kde
08:53 matey; and tk is whats left
08:53 matey; but thats not all
08:53 matey; tk is REALLY EASY to code in
08:53 matey; tcl is a pain (imo)
08:53 matey; some people love it, thats cool
08:53 matey; but tk is available for many languages, its the graphical part
08:53 matey; tcl is the language tk was made for originally
08:54 matey; tk is REALLY easy to code with
08:54 matey; granted part of that it is has few features
08:54 matey; its sort of the GEMINI of gui toolkits
08:54 matey; maybe even the gopher
08:55 matey; though gopher was terribly non-standard, the standard itself didnt resolve anything
08:55 matey; and tk isnt that bad
08:55 matey; gemini is nice because they make it standard first
08:55 matey; (shouldnt gopher be curses anyway)
08:55 matey; the shoe fits, there are basically two curses (windows vs everything else)
08:56 matey; very very similar
08:57 TR News; Lubuntu Introduces Backport PPA to Experience Latest LXQt Desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167877
08:57 TR Bot; Lubuntu Introduces Backport PPA to Experience Latest LXQt Desktop | Tux Machines
08:57 matey; imagine if guis werent a pain to write?
08:57 TR News; 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 31st, 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167878
08:57 TR Bot; 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 31st, 2022 | Tux Machines
08:57 matey; they must be a pain, because moving from one to another seems like trying to move a whole house across the street
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08:58 matey; which can probably be done a lot more quickly in fewer steps actually
08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; <matey> imagine if guis werent a pain to write?
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.85 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; I'm good at GUIs
08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; made many over the years
08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; java/swing, gtk, qt, more..
08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; you can get suites for these
08:59 matey; too bad you never themed tk
08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; so you don't have to type cooredinated by hand, as I did 20+ years ago
08:59 matey; you can get suites for these <- yeah, i cant stand those
08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; in 2001 I found glade
08:59 matey; id like to just have something thats easy to code in
09:00 matey; so you don't have to type cooredinated by hand <- so this just sidesteps the fact (understandably) that guis are awful to code for
09:00 schestowitz[TR2]; http://schestowitz.com/proj.htm
09:00 TR Bot; Projects
09:00 matey; when html came along, table syntax made it so fucking easy
09:00 matey; but then css had to ruin the fun
09:00 schestowitz[TR2]; http://schestowitz.com/Projects/kmdupdate.html
09:00 TR Bot; KMD - Application Documentation
09:00 schestowitz[TR2]; http://schestowitz.com/proj.htm
09:00 schestowitz[TR2]; gtk with theme, 2001
09:00 matey; it doesnt matter to me that someone is good at guis
09:01 matey; what matters to me is that guis are awful to code for
09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; http://schestowitz.com/Projects/KMD/KMD2.jpg
09:01 matey; so its good for you, bad for most people
09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; this is gnu/linux over 20 years aog
09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; not ugnly at all
09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; ran ok on 32 mb of ram
09:01 matey; and even you are using one of the tools that sidesteps the fact that theyre awful to code for
09:01 matey; i can use a rapid application development tool as well
09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; i stopped doing guis some years ago
09:01 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> ran ok on 32 mb of ram <- thats a good benchmark
09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; started using dialog
09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; it makes "guis" much faster to write and maintain
09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; ncurses
09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; and you can do freeform text
09:02 matey; dialogs remove a lot of the pain, i consider them a step forward
09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; the new tuxmacines site does data entry from CLI and nano
09:02 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> it makes "guis" much faster to write and maintain <- yes, ive mentioned this when i talk about making coding easier
09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; no "web based" or GUI or "app"
09:02 matey; lightweight distros like puppy tend to rely heavily on stuff like that
09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; dialog alsohandles scrolling for you
09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; you just add more entries
09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; and it positions things sensible
09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; *ly
09:03 matey; i used yad to make a graphical version of less
09:03 matey; i called it yadless or something
09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; I wrote some GUIs for rianne
09:03 matey; ls | yadless
09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; yad is good also
09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; there are some others
09:03 matey; less is great on the command line
09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; but yad needs x iirc
09:04 matey; yes, yas is graphical. i think its gtk
09:04 matey; i stopped using it because github of course
09:04 schestowitz[TR2]; haha
09:04 schestowitz[TR2]; why did they outsourced to that?
09:04 schestowitz[TR2]; pre-Microsoft I bet
09:04 matey; but my editor now has the same feature
09:04 matey; you can pipe text straight to the buffer
09:04 matey; the first gui less tool i had was commissioned
09:04 matey; someone wanted an idea for a gui application
09:05 matey; i said hey, make a graphical version of less
09:05 matey; so he did, in gtk
09:05 matey; then years later i made one using yad
09:05 matey; i used the feature just hours ago
09:05 matey; i cant stand a graphical editor (even a text based one) that you cant pipe to
09:05 matey; you know what text based editor lets you pipe text to it? jed
09:06 matey; jed you can pipe text to
09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; i use nano more and more
09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; even where I used to use kate
09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; esp. on machines with little ram
09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; nano has advantages, such as
09:06 matey; i used to advocate nano as a sane option
09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; you can run it in tmux
09:06 matey; but the author is a stallman backstabber
09:06 matey; so i switched to jed
09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; thewn share is across PCs
09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; to give one example
09:06 matey; i wont ever use nano again.
09:06 matey; the author is one of the people i sent a nasty letter to about his lies and treachery
09:06 matey; i called him a traitor
09:06 matey; i only sent such a letter to a couple of people
09:06 matey; fuck nano
09:07 schestowitz[TR2]; nano removed gnu status and then added it back iirc
09:07 matey; yeah and the author is a lying sack of shit
09:07 schestowitz[TR2]; ibm staff?
09:07 schestowitz[TR2]; seems red hat has a hand on it
09:07 matey; ibm isnt the biggest group
09:07 matey; debian had more than 108 people
09:07 matey; gnome had more people than gnome foundation
09:07 matey; both (each, not together) had more than ibm
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09:08 schestowitz[TR2]; are there nao forks?
09:08 schestowitz[TR2]; nano
09:08 matey; i doubt it
09:08 schestowitz[TR2]; how about jim editor? does zemlin use it?
09:08 matey; jed is nice-- bloated compared to nano
09:08 schestowitz[TR2]; does sheela microsoft use a text editor?
09:08 schestowitz[TR2]; or just Microsoft Word?
09:09 matey; vim is github, emacs is... actually also github (if you use the graphical version)
09:09 matey; but vim is more github than emacs
09:09 matey; jed is good
09:09 schestowitz[TR2]; sicne which eyear (vim)?
09:09 matey; i probably knew at one point
09:09 matey; before the takeover im sure
09:09 matey; but theyve had close to half a decade to move
09:10 matey; that excuse wont work forever
09:10 matey; it takes less time to move TO github, you know
09:10 schestowitz[TR2]; vendor lockin
09:10 schestowitz[TR2]; sunken cost
09:10 matey; yeah, thats ewhy they shouldnt move there.
09:10 schestowitz[TR2]; that's what Microcloth paid for
09:10 matey; because it sucks up freedom
09:10 matey; and shits out lockin
09:10 schestowitz[TR2]; but it was similar with skype
09:10 schestowitz[TR2]; 10 years ago
09:10 schestowitz[TR2]; soon github will be 4 since the Microsoft takeover
09:10 schestowitz[TR2]; it's no longer de facto host
09:10 schestowitz[TR2]; it's the main one
09:10 matey; when github fails microsoft will just buy something else
09:10 schestowitz[TR2]; but not the master
09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: they're running low on funds
09:11 matey; waiting for them to die is like not putting out a kitchen fire because it will go out when the house is burnt to the ground
09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; thjey're being bailed out now
09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; and they stopped hiring
09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; they fire
09:11 matey; it will go out eventually.
09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: no, giafam is sacred cow to the DoD
09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; they keep funnelling money to these
09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; using nmoney they do not have
09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; national debt
09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; they just did CHIPS
09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; graft
09:12 matey; so its slavery on top of slavery
09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt#historical
09:12 TR Bot; United States Government Debt - July 2022 Data - 1942-2021 Historical
09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; press MAC
09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; *MAX
09:12 matey; mac if youre jim zemlin
09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; the media now trolls linux
09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; there's a new release
09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; next will be linux 6.0 probably
09:12 matey; the media now trolls linux <- open source eats their own
09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; but the media makes it seem like the news is about macs
09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; though linus has bought apple hardware for DECADES!
09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; over a decade for sure
09:13 matey; hes a silly person
09:13 schestowitz[TR2]; http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167871#comment-34475
09:13 TR Bot; Linus Torvalds Released Linux Kernel 5.19 From An Apple Hardware Running Asahi Linux | Tux Machines
09:13 schestowitz[TR2]; 4 trollish, clickbait 'articles' so far
09:13 matey; matt lee gave stephen fry a mac to use for the fsf 25th
09:13 schestowitz[TR2]; changing the subject
09:13 matey; you think he got it from zemlin?
09:13 matey; it allegedly ran gnewsense or whatever
09:14 matey; matt lee gave stephen fry a mac to use <- i mean for the scene. i doubt he kept it
09:14 matey; happy birthday gnu
09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; if people convert existing"mac" PCs to gnu/linux
09:14 matey; wtf is that a macbook?
09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe like truning dell to gnu/linux
09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; except "apple premiums"
09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; not really the end of the world
09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; hence, clickbait
09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; Ariadne runs some GNU/Linux on M1, IIREC
09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; *IIRC
09:15 matey; yeah m1 is all the rage
09:15 matey; i guess
09:15 schestowitz[TR2]; now it's "old"
09:15 matey; m2?
09:15 schestowitz[TR2]; aplpe eats its own /sarcasm
09:15 schestowitz[TR2]; *apple
09:15 matey; is apple even open source anymore?
09:15 matey; i mean branding wise
09:15 matey; their licensing hasnt changed
09:15 matey; its still mostly proprietary, with notable exceptions
09:16 matey; darwin (useless)
09:16 matey; microsoft webkit (coming soon)
09:16 schestowitz[TR2]; apple fan: stfu newb, m1 is old shit, buy new stuff, you cheapskate
09:16 matey; or wtf they call it now
09:16 matey; do they have m1 nano?
09:16 matey; m1 air?
09:16 matey; m1 64gb?
09:16 schestowitz[TR2]; I feel bad for the "devs"
09:16 schestowitz[TR2]; who will once again get burned by apple
09:16 schestowitz[TR2]; power->x86>arm
09:17 schestowitz[TR2]; they cannot even adapt to one arch
09:17 schestowitz[TR2]; and apple pulls the rug again
09:17 schestowitz[TR2]; and apple doesn't care
09:17 schestowitz[TR2]; it's not apple that pays for their time
09:17 matey; just for fun they should get saddled with mipsel next :D
09:17 matey; that should be enough to run apple wishprince
09:18 matey; "do you have a wiiiiiiiiiiiish?"
09:22 TR News; IBM/Red Hat employs Tom Deseyn to work for Microsoft while taking a salary from IBM. This never made any sense, but then again Red Hat even hired managers from Microsoft -- an epic mistake https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/01/containerize-net-applications-without-writing-dockerfiles
09:22 TR Bot; Containerize .NET applications without writing Dockerfiles | Red Hat Developer
09:24 TR News; Master IBM insists on having managers in Free software communities, in order to herd the slaves (volunteers, developers) https://opensource.com/article/22/8/why-program-management-matters-open-source
09:24 TR Bot; program management matters in open source | Opensource.com
09:26 TR News; Linux 5.19 Release - Main changes, Arm, RISC-V and MIPS architectures http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167871#comment-34476
09:26 TR Bot; Linus Torvalds Released Linux Kernel 5.19 From An Apple Hardware Running Asahi Linux | Tux Machines
09:27 TR News; Mindless greenwashing nonsense https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/reasons-it-leaders-champion-sustainability see http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/
09:27 TR Bot; 4 reasons IT leaders should champion sustainability | The Enterprisers Project
09:27 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights
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09:28 TR News; Red Hat is promoting stupid buzzwords to encourage companies to foolishly outsource and then rent, becoming slaves of corporate masters such as IBM https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/cloud-services-get-most-your-committed-spend
09:28 TR Bot; Cloud services: 4 ways to get the most from your committed spend | The Enterprisers Project
09:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-31.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-01.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:34 matey; im glad i didnt get an apple m1
09:34 matey; it would only be worthless by now, eh
09:34 matey; that was pretty quick
09:35 matey; i like waiting until computers are worthless
09:35 matey; then you can get them for a song
09:35 matey; i talked to the raspi rep but he was a cunt
09:35 matey; so i wanted for like 8 years and one almost literally fell into my lap for free
09:36 matey; and now there are better options too
09:37 matey; raspi if you hate yourself, and other stuff if you just want a challenge
09:37 matey; but i still dont have an m1
09:37 matey; sounds like i dont need one at this point
09:37 matey; i bet i wont need the next apple chip either (if they bother making one)
09:37 matey; what i want to know is
09:38 matey; apple likes making computers that look like rubbish bins
09:38 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167879 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Red_Hat__IBM_Fluff,_Sponsorted_Puff_Pieces,_and_Leftovers.shtml
09:38 matey; if they have apple silicon, when you open the rubbish bin up to see the cpu
09:38 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
09:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Fluff, Sponsorted Puff Pieces, and Leftovers
09:38 matey; is the cpu also shaped like a tiny rubbish bin? or is it shaped like a jogwheel or something
09:38 matey; you never know with those guys
09:39 matey; maybe their cpu has a tiny little touchscreen
09:39 matey; that sounds like something apple would do
09:40 matey; sure, it doesnt cool very well
09:40 matey; but then apple products generally dont
09:40 matey; hey, the touchscreen keeps heating up my cpu
09:40 matey; youre holding it wrong
09:41 matey; /me puts a rubber band around the cpu
09:41 matey; tada!
09:41 TR News; Mozilla has this podcast, "internethealthreport"... as if Mozilla itself has not contributed to the health issues in recent years https://2022.internethealthreport.org/episodes/when-an-algorithm-is-your-boss/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla
09:41 TR Bot; When an Algorithm is Your Boss The Internet Health Report 2022
09:41 TR Bot; Mozilla - Techrights
09:41 matey; we are pleased to announce the apple m2
09:42 matey; unlike other cpus, which are cased in ceramic
09:42 matey; the m2 is housed entirely in a chrome covered package
09:42 matey; a few people have complained about this shorting out the pins
09:42 TR News; Red Hat / IBM Fluff, Sponsorted Puff Pieces, and Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167880
09:42 TR Bot; Red Hat / IBM Fluff, Sponsorted Puff Pieces, and Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:42 matey; you just cant please some people
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09:43 schestowitz[TR2]; apropos
09:43 schestowitz[TR2]; intel just canned some chips
09:43 schestowitz[TR2]; and chip families
09:43 schestowitz[TR2]; that got buried under other news
09:43 schestowitz[TR2]; like they making LOSSES
09:43 schestowitz[TR2]; so you invest in a whole DC
09:43 schestowitz[TR2]; spent $100,000,000 on chips
09:43 schestowitz[TR2]; and then Intel throws you under the bus
09:43 schestowitz[TR2]; like IBM did with CentOS
09:44 schestowitz[TR2]; that's GIAFAM
09:44 schestowitz[TR2]; "buy NEW stuff, you poor fuck!"
09:44 matey; /me waits for more people to act like giafam, so it spells ARSEHOLES
09:44 schestowitz[TR2]; "but... but this stuff is still working"
09:44 schestowitz[TR2]; GIAFOAM
09:44 schestowitz[TR2]; add oracle in
09:44 schestowitz[TR2]; and the foam wars start
09:45 schestowitz[TR2]; some people said faang
09:45 schestowitz[TR2]; as if netflix was a thing
09:45 schestowitz[TR2]; it was a bubble
09:45 schestowitz[TR2]; and as if microsoft is not a big deal
09:45 matey; microsoft is nice now
09:45 schestowitz[TR2]; yeah
09:45 matey; it gives us free stuff thats completely unrelated to taking over everything we care about
09:45 matey; COMPLETELY unrelated!
09:46 schestowitz[TR2]; lready defined in wp-config.php
09:46 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/07/31/shrine-for-microsoft/
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09:46 TR Bot; Turning Linux.com Into a Shrine for Microsoft | Techrights
09:46 schestowitz[TR2]; ask James and Sheela Microsofvt
09:46 matey; php is github too
09:46 schestowitz[TR2]; Microsoft is nice now
09:46 schestowitz[TR2]; don't "|bash" them
09:46 schestowitz[TR2]; that's anumal cruelty
09:46 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/
09:46 TR Bot; Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights
09:46 matey; putting a suit on jim zemlin is animal cruelty
09:47 schestowitz[TR2]; "is that real leather, jimmy??/"
09:47 schestowitz[TR2]; "yes, in fact I got it from APPLE STORE!"
09:47 schestowitz[TR2]; "made in china by a SLAVE"
09:47 schestowitz[TR2]; I mean
09:47 schestowitz[TR2]; by "follower"
09:47 schestowitz[TR2]; bbl
09:47 schestowitz[TR2]; exercise
09:48 matey; be sure to hold it right
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09:50 phanes; https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/31/google-ceo-to-employees-productivity-and-focus-must-improve.html | Looks like Pichai thinks parroting Zuckerberg is somehow going to fix his blind spot.
09:50 TR Bot; Google CEO to employees: Productivity and focus must improve
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11:38 schestowitz[TR2]; phanes: rallying their slaves
11:38 schestowitz[TR2]; I saw another article abotu that
11:38 schestowitz[TR2]; must be envious not be working in their Gulag Inc.
11:39 TR News; PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.12 Released https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgadmin-4-v612-released-2490/ Source: postgresql | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgadmin-4-v612-released-2490/
11:39 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.12 Released
11:40 TR News; Old but newly updated: Adminer A Full-Featured MySQL Database Management Tool https://www.tecmint.com/adminer-mysql-database-administration-linux/ Source: TecMint FreeSW | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tecmint.com/adminer-mysql-database-administration-linux/
11:40 TR Bot; Adminer A Full-Featured MySQL Database Management Tool
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11:47 TR News; "I found this strange repo which is originally was in Chinese, buy Open-Power-Workgroup." https://medevel.com/hospitals-china/
11:47 TR Bot; A Promising Project to Expose Bad Healthcare Service Providers in China
11:48 TR News; Best Free and Open Source Software July 2022 Updates Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167881 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software__July_2022_Updates.shtml
11:48 TR Bot; Best Free and Open Source Software July 2022 Updates | Tux Machines
11:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Software July 2022 Updates
11:48 TR News; KaOS 2022.06 and KDE Plasma 5.25 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167882 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/KaOS_2022.06_and_KDE_Plasma_5.25.shtml
11:48 TR Bot; KaOS 2022.06 and KDE Plasma 5.25 | Tux Machines
11:48 TR Bot; Tux Machines KaOS 2022.06 and KDE Plasma 5.25
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11:53 TR News; PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.12 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167883 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/PostgreSQL:_pgAdmin_4_v6.12_Released.shtml
11:53 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.12 Released | Tux Machines
11:53 TR Bot; Tux Machines PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.12 Released
11:57 TR News; "supports Windows 11, Ubuntu, and Linux." https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/minisforums-ultra-thin-pc-with-11th-generation-intel-core-and-geforce-rtx-30-series-graphics.html Ubuntu... AND Linux!! MINISFORUM liks to misuse the word "LINUX" to sell WINDOWS junk http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/
11:57 TR Bot; MINISFORUM's ultra-thin PC with 11th generation Intel Core and GeForce RTX 30 series graphics
11:57 TR Bot; The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights
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11:59 TR News; This underplays the crime that's happening here https://liliputing.com/lilbits-booting-linux-on-some-lenovo-laptops-requires-an-extra-step-macintosh-pi-and-fanless-jasper-lake-mini-pcs/
11:59 TR Bot; Booting Linux on some Lenovo laptops requires an extra step, Macintosh Pi, and fanless Jasper Lake mini PCs - Liliputing
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12:00 TR News; Quit pretending Microsoft has changed since the Ballmer days. The only thing that changed is the pretending.
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12:03 psydruid; Apparently Intel has too much inventory so hardware vendors are stuck clearing their old stock first
12:04 schestowitz[TR2]; haha
12:04 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe I can buy one... maybe not
12:04 schestowitz[TR2]; no need for it atm
12:04 schestowitz[TR2]; alkso, they are all defective
12:04 schestowitz[TR2]; should be returned to sender
12:04 schestowitz[TR2]; fix the silicon
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; reship
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; their last CEO should be arrested
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; he committed criumes
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; but he lives in USA
12:05 schestowitz[TR2]; they only arrest criminals who cannot afford expensive lawyers
12:06 schestowitz[TR2]; they can suicide the rest
12:06 schestowitz[TR2]; like aaron schwartz
12:06 schestowitz[TR2]; just to make sure legal bills will bankrupt his patents, too
12:09 TR News; Understanding Linux Containers Before Changing the World Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167884 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Understanding_Linux_Containers_Before_Changing_the_World.shtml
12:09 TR Bot; Understanding Linux Containers Before Changing the World | Tux Machines
12:09 TR Bot; Tux Machines Understanding Linux Containers Before Changing the World
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12:13 TR News; [GIT PULL] random number generator updates for 6.0-rc1 - Jason A. Donenfeld https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220731232428.2219258-1-Jason@zx2c4.com/ Source: zx2c4 | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220731232428.2219258-1-Jason@zx2c4.com/
12:13 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] random number generator updates for 6.0-rc1 - Jason A. Donenfeld
12:14 TR News; GNU Linux-libre 5.19-gnu (Uhura) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167885 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/GNU_Linux-libre_5.19-gnu_Uhura.shtml
12:14 TR Bot; GNU Linux-libre 5.19-gnu (Uhura) | Tux Machines
12:14 TR Bot; Tux Machines GNU Linux-libre 5.19-gnu (Uhura)
12:15 TR News; Linux User Space: Episode 3:03: Text Ed https://www.linuxuserspace.show/303 Source: linuxuserspace
12:15 TR Bot; Linux User Space: Episode 3:03: Text Ed
12:15 TR News; New Features in Linux Mint 21 [Quick Look] - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-D7NWmfxutk | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/-D7NWmfxutk
12:15 TR Bot; New Features in Linux Mint 21 [Quick Look] - Invidious
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12:19 TR News; Efficient Infrastructure Testing | Pen Test Partners https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/efficient-infrastructure-testing/ Source: pentestpartners | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/efficient-infrastructure-testing/
12:19 TR Bot; Efficient Infrastructure Testing | Pen Test Partners
12:19 TR News; The Indian Governments Fight Against Fake News Targets Political Dissent https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-29/youtube-twitter-targeted-by-modi-s-fake-news-campaign
12:19 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
12:20 TR News; Torvalds: "I'll likely call it 6.0 since I'm starting to worry about getting confused by big numbers again." The "media" already 'trolls' the news by making some noise about "APPLE"...
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12:21 TR News; Unvanquished 0.53 Beta, what a milestone! - Unvanquished https://unvanquished.net/unvanquished-0-53-beta-what-a-milestone/ Source: unvanquished | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//unvanquished.net/unvanquished-0-53-beta-what-a-milestone/
12:21 TR Bot; Unvanquished 0.53 Beta, what a milestone! - Unvanquished
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12:22 TR News; False headline from Micreobell this morning. "Unvanquished 0.53 Released"... no! Just a beta. Come on, this is VERY sloppy.
12:24 TR News; Bootlin: Linux 5.19 released, Bootlin contributions inside http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167861#comment-34479
12:24 TR Bot; Linux Kernel 5.19 Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
12:25 TR News; r600/sfn: NIR support for pre-Evergreen hardware (!17822) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17822 Source: graphics | freedesktop
12:25 TR Bot; r600/sfn: NIR support for pre-Evergreen hardware (!17822) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
12:26 TR News; Celebrating 10 Years of Lightning Wire Labs (10% Off All Appliances) https://blog.ipfire.org/post/celebrating-10-years-of-lightning-wire-labs-10-off-all-appliances Source: ipfire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.ipfire.org/post/celebrating-10-years-of-lightning-wire-labs-10-off-all-appliances
12:26 TR Bot; - Celebrating 10 Years of Lightning Wire Labs (10% Off All Appliances)
12:26 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> fix the silicon <schestowitz[TR2]> reship <- intels attention to quality is getting to be reminiscent of windows
12:27 matey; windows never did get fixed, only moving away helped in the slightest
12:27 schestowitz[TR2]; yeah
12:27 schestowitz[TR2]; good point because
12:27 schestowitz[TR2]; microsoft windows was notorious for being shipped before ready
12:27 matey; too bad the fsf doesnt care about these things
12:27 schestowitz[TR2]; they'd ship crap
12:27 schestowitz[TR2]; for puriely financial mreasons
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12:27 schestowitz[TR2]; or to beat dates of the rivals
12:27 schestowitz[TR2]; then blame the user
12:27 matey; we want users to be in control of their computing, as long as its not a hardware issue
12:27 schestowitz[TR2]; and ulf sixel blames the "immigrants"
12:27 matey; haha, we knew he would be back
12:28 matey; hs gives himself away in like two lines
12:28 schestowitz[TR2]; even one sometimes
12:28 schestowitz[TR2]; must be frustrating for him
12:28 matey; i was like "who the fuck even says-- OH!"
12:28 matey; hes so over the top ridiculous, he sort of paints himself orange
12:28 matey; fsf LIED about software quality
12:29 schestowitz[TR2]; he put his code in github
12:29 matey; yeah well they were pretty transparent about software quality-- source included
12:29 schestowitz[TR2]; but complains about far lesser issues
12:29 schestowitz[TR2]; like mesa needing something
12:29 matey; mesa is shit, everyone knows that
12:29 schestowitz[TR2]; it has its purposes
12:29 matey; its like a politicians speech
12:29 schestowitz[TR2]; I use mesa for kwin compositor
12:29 matey; say two things that are true, then say what you want people to believe
12:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-31.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-01.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:30 matey; I use mesa for kwin compositor <- i feel bad for you
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; btw, placeholder is up at gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/
12:30 matey; i almost feel bad for kwin compositor
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; we'll have that ready for use some time soon, probably this month
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; then irc bot can link to that, too
12:31 TR News; "A winter which significantly cooled the cryptocurrency bubble might allow more space for the development of cryptocurrency tech and systems more oriented towards facilitating forms of exchange much more rooted in environmental sustainability, capital circulation rather than capital accumulation" gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-08-01.gmi
12:32 matey; he also gives himself away with countless german references
12:32 matey; but i mean
12:32 matey; hes much too proud to pretend to be a finn or something
12:32 matey; gutentag! i am most definitely not a german nationalist!
12:33 TR News; Heh. "If you have any news about deaths or related incidents of cyberbullying under the guise of CoC enforcement, please contact editor@suicide.fyi."
12:33 matey; oh ok, so youre not that guy we talked to the other day
12:33 matey; no im someone else entirely, but i DO agree with him on pretty much everything!
12:33 TR News; The problem now is, a bunch of innuendo insinuating some people who DIED just MAY HAVE caused it. Without evidence of that...
12:33 matey; also i say things that are hard to believe in coming from him, and damned near impossible from anyone else
12:34 matey; but im totally not that guy!
12:34 matey; also i hate c++ more than anyone in the world
12:34 matey; um, except him obviously. because two different guys
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12:34 matey; BAHAHAHAA
12:35 matey; i didnt know i could summon like that
12:35 matey; maybe theres a hidden techrights_user or something acting as a pair of eyes
12:36 matey; /me looks for techrights_user_1488
12:37 matey; maybe its der chatloggen
12:38 TR News; "As you may know, rolisteam is now part of KDE. We are trying to enjoy that new status. One way to do it, its to change the way rolisteam is translated. The KDE project has huge translation team and they are really efficient." https://rolisteam.org/update2.html
12:38 TR Bot; Rolisteam - July 2022 - Monthly update #2
12:38 TR News; [LibreOffice] Content controls in Writer: the plain text type Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167886 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/LibreOffice_Content_controls_in_Writer:_the_plain_text_type.shtml
12:38 TR Bot; [LibreOffice] Content controls in Writer: the plain text type | Tux Machines
12:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines [LibreOffice] Content controls in Writer: the plain text type
12:40 matey; \<><>/\
12:40 matey; that looks more like the olympic logo everyone hated
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12:41 matey; london 201<>/\/
12:45 matey; The Worst Olympic Logos, Ranked - Ceros
12:45 matey; lol
12:45 matey; the nazi one only comes in at #3
12:45 matey; paris 1924 got #2
12:46 matey; and i presume the london 2012 one is the winner
12:46 matey; no! sochi 2014
12:48 schestowitz[TR2]; I forgot what the scandasl was
12:48 schestowitz[TR2]; the logo scandals
12:48 schestowitz[TR2]; the images resemble things
12:48 schestowitz[TR2]; like svaztikas sometimes
12:48 schestowitz[TR2]; or some sexual things
12:48 schestowitz[TR2]; then people make parodies
12:48 schestowitz[TR2]; with little changes
12:49 matey; the london 2012 logo looked like the victim of a ski accident
12:52 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Mint 21, Linux User Space, and Mozillas Internet Health Report 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167887 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/AudiocastsShows:_Linux_Mint_21,_Linux_User_Space,_and_Mozilla%27s_Internet_Health_Report_2022.shtml
12:53 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Mint 21, Linux User Space, and Mozilla's Internet Health Report 2022 | Tux Machines
12:53 TR Bot; Tux Machines Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Mint 21, Linux User Space, and Mozilla's Internet Health Report 2022
12:53 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167888 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/howtos_2.shtml
12:53 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
12:53 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
12:54 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167889 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/leftovers_2.shtml
12:54 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
12:54 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's leftovers
12:55 TR News; Links 01/08/2022: GNU Linux-libre 5.19 (Uhura) and pgAdmin 4 6.12 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/gnu-linux-libre-5-19/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/01/gnu-linux-libre-5-19/
12:55 TR Bot; Links 01/08/2022: GNU Linux-libre 5.19 (Uhura) and pgAdmin 4 6.12 | Techrights
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.85 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
12:59 TR News; "Valve recently released an update for the main Steam client, which amongst other things brings support in Steam Input for the Nintendo Online" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/steam-gets-support-for-nintendo-online-classic-controllers/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
12:59 TR Bot; gets support for Nintendo Online classic controllers | GamingOnLinux
12:59 TR News; "going pretty overboard" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/valve-bans-devs-from-adding-review-scores-and-awards-on-steam-store-assets/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
12:59 TR Bot; bans devs from adding review scores and awards on Steam store assets | GamingOnLinux
12:59 TR News; MangoHud version 0.6.8 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/linux-gaming-overlay-mangohud-version-068-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
12:59 TR Bot; gaming overlay MangoHud version 0.6.8 out now | GamingOnLinux
13:00 TR News; OpenRazer https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/openrazer-new-release-adding-support-for-more-razer-hardware-on-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:00 TR Bot; new release adding support for more Razer hardware on Linux | GamingOnLinux
13:01 TR News; How to distract from Linux 5.19 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167871#comment-34481
13:01 TR Bot; Linus Torvalds Released Linux Kernel 5.19 From An Apple Hardware Running Asahi Linux | Tux Machines
13:01 TR News; "Windows compatibility on Linux continues to improve thanks to Wine, with the latest development release out now with Wine 7.14 available." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/windows-compatibility-layer-wine-version-714-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:01 TR Bot; compatibility layer Wine version 7.14 is out now | GamingOnLinux
13:04 TR News; "Most images contain Exif (Exchangeable image file format) data which includes some crucial data such as the date" https://linuxhandbook.com/remove-exif-data/ | Source: Linux Handbook
13:04 TR Bot; Remove Exif Data in Linux Command Line
13:05 TR News; "Canonical announced that now Ubuntu 21.10 Impish Indri has reached End of Life (EOL)." https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/08/ubuntu-2110-reached-eol-and-how-to-add-support.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz
13:05 TR Bot; Ubuntu 21.10 Reached EOL and How To Add Support
13:05 TR News; "As a result, I disabled IPv6 on all my hosts. It seemed easyat first. Here is how I did it." https://opensource.com/article/22/8/disable-ipv6 | Source: OpenSource.com
13:05 TR Bot; I disabled IPv6 on Linux | Opensource.com
13:06 TR News; Nichelle Nichols, trailblazing 'Star Trek' actress, dies at 89 - CNN https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/31/entertainment/nichelle-nichols-star-trek-dies/index.html Source: edition | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//edition.cnn.com/2022/07/31/entertainment/nichelle-nichols-star-trek-dies/index.html
13:06 TR Bot; Nichelle Nichols, trailblazing 'Star Trek' actress, dies at 89 - CNN
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14:02 matey; hi britney
14:03 britney; hi matey
14:04 matey; i took your advice, my face is smooth for the first time in like a decade
14:04 britney; that was my advice?
14:04 matey; maybe it was chicksahoy
14:04 britney; thats me too
14:04 matey; then yes, that was your advice
14:05 britney; i dont remember lol
14:05 matey; its not important
14:05 britney; did you have a neckbeard?
14:05 matey; nah
14:05 matey; but i was using an electric
14:07 matey; (even stallman has a short beard now. i expect a lot of neckbeards will just spontaneously fall off now, or have neckbaldness creep up and back in a sort of U^U pattern)
14:08 matey; obviously i have a conspiracy theory about that, similar to the one about paul mccartney
14:08 matey; theres no way thats really stallman
14:08 matey; microsoft replaced him with an android from the future
14:08 matey; when he went to give his talk
14:09 britney; lol
14:09 matey; hes not even running free software :/
14:10 britney; he isn't?
14:10 matey; its probably some horrible future version of azure rtos
14:10 matey; most people wont care because now he doesnt have any sweat glands
14:10 matey; but its bad for those who really cared
14:10 britney; Linus uses Fedora
14:11 matey; he should wear a fedora
14:11 britney; lol
14:11 matey; i thought he used suse
14:11 britney; he should
14:12 britney; umm he did try suse in the past but got mad at it when it required root to install a printer
14:12 matey; that seems like a really weird thing for linus to be unhappy about
14:12 britney; it was his kids laptop
14:13 matey; oh okay
14:13 matey; /me gives linus a copy of qimo so he can develop gkhnix on that
14:13 britney; gkhnix?
14:13 matey; http://www.qimo4kids.com/
14:13 TR Bot; Qimo 4 Kids - Software For Kids
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14:13 matey; gkhnix is the sequel to linux
14:14 britney; gkhnix tho?
14:14 matey; it was invented from scratch by gkh to be optimised for systemd
14:14 britney; who is gkh
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14:14 matey; im totally winding you up. to be fair i didnt think youd believe any of that
14:14 matey; gkh is real though, hes the dork from novell thats taking over when linus retires
14:15 matey; it was supposed to be theodore tso but mjg ruined that for everyone
14:15 matey; /me is only SLIGHTLY kidding now
14:15 britney; Greg Kroah-Hartman?
14:15 matey; im pretty sure gkh is actually going to take over though
14:16 matey; thats the one
14:16 britney; he seemed cool to me
14:16 matey; also known as jaws from the spy who loved me
14:16 britney; I remember watching a video by Greg Kroah-Hartman and i thought he seemed cool enough
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14:16 matey; yeah
14:16 matey; open source is like that
14:16 matey; all smiles and helpful man pag-- websites
14:17 matey; then you turn your back and they slip malware into your snap packages and send all your data to amazon
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14:17 britney; i dont use snap, its ubuntu garbage
14:17 matey; yes, yes it is
14:17 britney; i use arch btw
14:17 matey; ROFL
14:18 matey; youre my favourite arch user though
14:18 britney; :)
14:18 matey; you might be the only person i know that uses it though
14:18 britney; lol
14:18 matey; well bnchs probably does
14:18 britney; did you know arch is canadian?
14:18 matey; thats good
14:18 britney; i gotta represent
14:19 matey; ngl, ive been reasonably pleased with canadian operating systems overall
14:19 britney; yeah openbsd is canadian too
14:19 matey; "attack surface"
14:19 britney; lol
14:19 britney; he does sound like dr evil
14:19 matey; openbsd isnt perfect
14:20 matey; it doesnt work well if you put maple syrup on it
14:20 matey; i opened a ticket
14:21 britney; because you put maple syrup on your OS?
14:21 matey; if arch is canadian, should it really be "i use arch btw"
14:21 matey; shouldnt it be
14:21 matey; i use arch, eh
14:21 britney; lol
14:22 matey; hoser os
14:22 matey; its a recursive acronym
14:22 matey; the os stands for hoser
14:22 britney; well i suppose but the catchphrase "i use arch btw" was coined by americans
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14:23 britney; gnus not unix gnus not unix gnus not unix
14:23 matey; but it does have blue hair
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14:26 britney; gnu has blue hair?
14:26 matey; its a long story
14:27 ulf; unix is a trademark; and the founder of GNU invented POSIX, which is the irony of it
14:28 matey; (posix) (os) (i)snt (x)enix
14:29 matey; (p)osix (o)mits (six)els
14:29 matey; posix is now posix++
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14:30 matey; /me is waiting for poseven
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14:30 matey; i guess theyre waiting for posix to stabilise, but it will never happen
14:30 ulf; poshits by the free sh*tware foundation
14:31 matey; the fsf would have been better if it was german
14:31 matey; fsfe is making their own operating system
14:31 matey; it will have a microaggression firewall built into the kernel
14:31 matey; any microaggressions will cause a kernel dump and cancel the user on twitter
14:32 matey; theodore tso is writing a microaggression kernel
14:32 matey; it uses microaggressions for message passing between modules
14:32 matey; the hypervisor is called dogwhistle
14:33 ulf; this is what happened, in 2013:
14:33 matey; s/2013/2011/
14:34 ulf; GNU moved their toolchain/compiler to c++ and C11, and locked out "free software" competitors
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14:35 ulf; and how much of the bashitism, libtool, autotools are POSIX... that's only the build-system/userspace-related issues with it
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14:37 ulf; show me one GNU/Linux which can be compiled with a POSIX-compliant make?
14:37 ulf; https://frippery.org/make/
14:37 TR Bot; Public domain POSIX make
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14:38 ulf; that's none of the most urgent problems of cause, it's just an indicator of what GNU/FSF do and who they really are.
14:39 matey; einigkeit und recht und freiheit fr das deutsche vaterland!
14:40 matey; danach lasst uns alle streben brderlich mit herz und hand!
14:40 ulf; didn't try yet a POSIX shell, such as oksh with POSIXLY_CORRECT set, and see when GNU libtool freaks out
14:40 matey; einigkeit und recht und freiheit sind des glckes unterpfand
14:40 matey; /me belches
14:40 matey; blh im glanze dieses glckes, blhe, deutsches vaterland!
14:43 matey; in spaceballs, deutsche vater is called dark helmet
14:46 ulf; and, instead of discussing POSIX, standards and "free software", little later a smear campaign began
14:47 ulf; and at that time, GNU/FSF had just wrecked their toolchain the entire "free software" relies upon
14:48 ulf; the toolchain, the buildsystem... no sane "free software" developer would anymore freely choose to rely on GNU/FSF
14:49 ulf; however, GNU/FSF vendor-locked theirs with horrible anti-competitive clutter
14:51 ulf; it got a permissive license, it's opensource, and it's evil
14:52 techuser; copyright is evil
14:52 techuser; use WTFPL I guess
14:52 ulf; and yes, GPL copyleft is too weak, FSF knows it, nonetheless advertises it
14:52 ulf; however this copyleft does not protect "free software" developers
14:53 ulf; because, copyleft can be enforced by the _authors_/copyright holders, not some little idiot such as myself
14:53 ulf; and what's copyleft good for then if "Free Software" is (C)GAFAM
14:54 ulf; instead i could not publish anything, without legal threats, meanwhile my work generats exactly this much income: 0.0 shitcoins
14:55 ulf; if i could sue Intel to release their Verilog for i386 at least, or IBM to release their BIOS sources and documentation... no luck of cause
14:57 ulf; the "no warranty" clause is remarkable too, because software circulate4d with such could contain whatever malice, and the authors, in case of (C)GAFAM couldn't be held accountable for it
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.85 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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15:09 matey; wtfpl is a childrens vanity license
15:09 matey; use a real license
15:09 matey; (yes wtfpl will hold up in court, but it makes you look like a cunt)
15:09 techuser; I don't care about the "rights" I shouldn't have
15:10 matey; (and not a smart cunt, the other kind)
15:10 matey; I don't care about the "rights" I shouldn't ha <- then use cc0 or 0 clause bsd
15:10 matey; or unlicense
15:10 britney; i think im gonna use bsd license when I write code
15:10 matey; there are several bsd licenses
15:10 britney; that i havent decided on yet
15:11 matey; fair enough
15:11 ulf; bsd license won't help you either
15:11 britney; isc
15:11 matey; isc is good, thats the one openbsd uses
15:13 ulf; choose standards-compliant software/hardware without anti-competitive clutter... good luck finding any
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15:15 ulf; and i mean, RMS knew it: "I think it is important for free software to provide convenient free graphical user interface software, which is why the GNU Project launched three projects to develop that. The third, GNOME, was successful"
15:16 ulf; year 2012, motif was GPLed, and it's standardized, together with a reference implementation if i am not mistaken
15:17 ulf; see for yourself, how much FSF/GNU "endorsed" this, because "GNOME was successful"
15:17 britney; I like gnome
15:19 ulf; i hate it, with passion
15:21 britney; dash to panel is bae
15:22 britney; it doesn't bother me because for example I run element, discord and brave a lot and each of those apps use more ram than gnome
15:22 britney; so even if i switched to something like xfce, half my ram is used up anyway
15:23 ulf; i am having no problem with GTK itself, i am having a problem with the strategy of GNU/FSF which locks-out "free software" competition
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15:26 ulf; another example of this anti-competitive strategy of GNU/FSF: try to compile any GNU/Linux with a C90/99/11 compliant compiler, such as cproc/tinycc whatever else there is
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15:28 ulf; and it seems to me, GNU/FSF are still proud of this type of "RYF", "free software" to promote IBM Wintel craptops
15:28 britney; ulf, are you earthling?
15:29 ulf; earthling?
15:29 britney; yeah someone named earthling was here before acting just like you
15:29 britney; i was wondering if that was you
15:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-31.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-01.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
15:30 britney; earthling complained about IBM Wintel Pentagon tech
15:31 ulf; the sponsors of GNU/FSF?
15:31 ulf; would be curious, on whose payroll they are.
15:31 britney; someone is paying GNU/FSF?
15:32 ulf; i want to know, yes. who is funding this scam.
15:32 britney; im sure you could find that in their income records
15:34 ulf; i do know already, harfbuzz/graphite were sponsored by IBM/RedHat/Google/Facebook/UN
15:34 ulf; although then it's implied, there wasn't any affiliation between them, and GNU/FSF
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15:34 britney; UN is united nations?
15:35 britney; why does the UN care whats on my laptop?
15:35 ulf; yes. headquartered close nearby the FSF, somewhere in NY
15:35 ulf; it's all "NGO" and "non-profit" of cause
15:36 britney; yeah so you should be able to show us records that the UN is funding FSF/GNU
15:36 britney; you sound just like earthling its almost uncanny
15:40 britney; hey matey, i think earthling came back
15:42 matey; whos earthling
15:42 britney; ulf - are you rocking a rock64 computer?
15:42 britney; matey, do you remember that guy who got mad at you because you said you wanted to kill germans?
15:42 matey; if earthling is the guy i chased off, yes, thats him
15:42 matey; he was exaggerating
15:42 britney; yeah earthling was chased off
15:42 matey; i asked a hypothetical question as a joke
15:42 matey; he did an mjg and twisted that into me saying we should do that
15:43 britney; ulf is earthling
15:43 matey; if the german ss want to talk to me, they also wanted to talk to my great grandparents and they can suck my wienerschnitzel
15:43 matey; they also wanted to talk to my great grandparen <- so they could gas them
15:44 matey; so they can suck a whole back of wienerschnitzel
15:44 matey; bag
15:44 matey; from the bag
15:44 britney; well ulf is here talking just like earthling, says the FSF/GNU is being funded by the UN
15:44 ulf; who said this?
15:44 matey; that shows what an idiot he is
15:44 MinceR; 01 094030 < schestowitz[TR2]> tk/tcl is ugly
15:44 matey; the united nations actually support open source. literally.
15:44 MinceR; no, it isn't
15:45 britney; <ulf> i do know already, harfbuzz/graphite were sponsored by IBM/RedHat/Google/Facebook/UN
15:45 matey; open source is the free software counterrevolution
15:45 MinceR; also, lagrange doesn't let me pick a font other than the ones built into it, and handles the clipboards incorrectly
15:45 matey; he might as well say churchhill supported stalin-- not true
15:46 matey; stalin was an idiot who sucked up to both churchhill and hitler
15:46 matey; churchhill hoped stalin and hitler would kill each other so britain didnt have to do anything (else)
15:46 matey; to be fair, britain was sort of busy
15:47 matey; anyway, the un supports the fsf/gnu about as much as churchhill supported stalin
15:47 matey; not very fucking much. or not at all.
15:47 britney; MinceR, fair enough
15:48 britney; ulf, do you have a rock64?
15:48 ulf; anyway, who sponsored all this anti-competitive malware of Moz/GNOME/Harfbuzz ?
15:49 ulf; britney: what is this again, rock64?
15:49 britney; ulf, its a single board computer
15:49 ulf; and what a nonsense blather is this from matey?
15:49 ulf; is this a bot?
15:50 ulf; doesn't matter, /ignore
15:50 britney; im still pretty sure this person is earthling
15:50 matey; it is 100%
15:50 ulf; matey is earthling?
15:50 matey; its him or a transporter clone. lets hope he doesnt have that technology
15:50 matey; if it existed, he would insist germans invented it and it was stolen by starfleet
15:50 matey; https://www.undp.org/about-us UNDP is based on the merging of the United Nations Expanded Programme of Technical Assistance, created in 1949, and the United Nations Special Fund, established in 1958. UNDP, as we know it now, was established in 1966 by the General Assembly of the United Nations.
15:51 TR Bot; About us | United Nations Development Programme
15:51 matey; https://www.undp.org/blog/open-or-closed-source
15:51 TR Bot; Open- or closed-source? | United Nations Development Programme
15:52 matey; that says open source more than 13 times
15:52 matey; free software: 0 times
15:52 matey; un supports open source, not free software
15:53 britney; this is a picture of a cyborg neanderthal: https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/borg-neanderthal.jpg
15:53 matey; and then they take a mixed approach, defending "proprietary solutions"
15:53 matey; if i see one ill let you know
15:53 ulf; looks sad
15:54 britney; you probably wont, they live in the moho discontinuity
15:54 matey; that still sounds like a great band name
15:54 britney; moho discontinuity?
15:54 matey; ladies and gentlemen, the moho discontinuity has left the building
15:54 matey; live at budokan
15:55 matey; theyre actually from donegal
15:55 britney; https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/29/e8/6529e818ea05a909b4fcbca15b902051.jpg
15:55 matey; the guy on drums is jim but he spells it j-i-c-h-k-i-o-m
15:55 britney; its above the upper mantel
15:56 MinceR; the UN doesn't care about freedom, never did
15:56 matey; they dont care about socialism either
15:56 MinceR; they care about totalitarian dictatorships and megacorporations that pay them lots of money
15:56 matey; the united nations is to global politics what christian music is to mainstream radio
15:57 britney; apparently, as ulf stated, the UN funds FSF/GNU
15:57 matey; so did ibm
15:57 matey; funding just means interference
15:57 ulf; i did read about funding for the Unicode implementation with harfbuzz/graphite/cairo library
15:57 MinceR; the FSF/GNU no longer threatens the megacorporate hegemony
15:57 britney; s/IBM/ICBM*
15:57 ulf; and FSF/GNU promote GNOME
15:57 TR News; WCH CH569 https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-hydrausb3-board-is-open-source-and-supports-high-speed-protocols/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
15:57 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-hydrausb3-board-is-open-source-and-supports-high-speed-protocols/ )
15:58 ulf; while, GNOME is anti-competitive malware
15:58 britney; ulf, how is it malware?
15:58 TR News; "The microprocessor found on this device is the Xtensa Single-Core 32-bit LX7 with maximum frequency of 240MHz." https://linuxgizmos.com/bpi-bit-lite-is-an-educational-board-that-runs-on-arduino-webduino-and-micropython/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
15:58 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/bpi-bit-lite-is-an-educational-board-that-runs-on-arduino-webduino-and-micropython/ )
15:58 matey; its basically microsoft
15:58 britney; lol
15:58 matey; ibm
15:58 britney; icbm
15:58 matey; ibm, you bm, we all bm for ibm
15:59 TR News; You Can Now Install Linux Kernel 5.19 on Ubuntu and Ubuntu-Based Distributions Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167890
15:59 TR Bot; You Can Now Install Linux Kernel 5.19 on Ubuntu and Ubuntu-Based Distributions | Tux Machines
15:59 ulf; britney: it is poisoned with systemd-clutter, one reason, it's used to implement spyware such as Moz
15:59 britney; so wait, firefox is spyware?
15:59 matey; close enouguh
15:59 ulf; yes, worst ever
15:59 britney; how is firefox spyware
16:00 matey; it sends your data to 3rd parties
16:00 ulf; by all criteria of the definition of it
16:00 TR News; GNU Linux-Libre 5.19 Kernel Arrives for Those Who Seek 100% Freedom for Their PCs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167891
16:00 matey; then it does a little dance (and makes a little love) and talks about privacy a lot
16:00 britney; good thing i use brave
16:00 TR Bot; GNU Linux-Libre 5.19 Kernel Arrives for Those Who Seek 100% Freedom for Their PCs | Tux Machines
16:00 ulf; all modern browsers are malware spying on users
16:00 britney; lol
16:00 matey; mozilla is complete bullshit
16:01 matey; so is chromium imo
16:01 TR News; Misinformation https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0603/Political-misquotes-The-10-most-famous-things-never-actually-said/I-can-see-Russia-from-my-house!-Sarah-Palin | Source: CS Monitor
16:01 TR Bot; can see Russia from my house!" Sarah Palin - CSMonitor.com
16:01 britney; all software is spyware
16:01 matey; well, im not sure
16:01 matey; i mean if you consider tempest, than probably yet
16:01 matey; yes
16:01 britney; anything that monitors keyboard input is spyware
16:01 matey; only if it sends it somewhere really
16:02 ulf; nowadays, yes, most of it is.
16:02 matey; which again, considering tempest...
16:02 britney; yeah tempest attacks are spyware
16:02 matey; but if you work in a faraday cage, mebbe
16:02 matey; i dont blame mozilla for tempest
16:02 matey; even i have limits
16:02 ulf; "her salary had risen to over $3 million. In the same year the Mozilla Corporation laid off approximately 250"
16:02 matey; (i blame the un and c++ for that_
16:02 matey; also western media
16:02 matey; hehehe
16:03 britney; i blame shape shifting reptilians and hive mind supercomputer neanderthals
16:03 ulf; no surprise, CoC were introduced
16:03 matey; as long as we are all on the same page then :)
16:03 britney; :)
16:03 ulf; so, it's not allowed to say some money *itch wrecked mozilla
16:03 matey; its a very very big page
16:04 matey; folded into a napkin swan
16:04 matey; on a table, with an attack surface, somewhere in alberta
16:04 britney; attack surface
16:04 matey; atTACK SUR face
16:05 matey; im going to make that my phones ringtone
16:05 matey; "why does your phone say ATTACK Surface like dr evil?"
16:05 britney; lol u should
16:05 matey; "because its frikkin hilarious thats why"
16:05 matey; /me sends theo a poutine hot pocket
16:06 matey; (dont tell me canadians dont have special hot pockets in poutine flavour)
16:06 matey; (and theyre printed in english and french because quebec makes them do it)
16:06 britney; i haven't seen poutine flavour hot pockets
16:06 matey; "made in the moho discontinuity"
16:07 matey; "may contain crickets"
16:07 britney; lol
16:07 britney; eat yo damn crickets
16:08 britney; https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/schwab-crickets.jpg
16:08 matey; /me wonders if theo de raadt can speak english and french at the same time
16:08 britney; even snowden made a comment on them
16:08 britney; https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/snowden-crickets.png
16:09 matey; "attaque sufwois"
16:09 britney; "mom I want the pizza crickets"
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16:10 britney; attack surface, pizza crickets, UN, reptilians, ulf (earthling), oh and the pentagon is in there somewhere too
16:10 matey; throw moi a friqqenne bon already
16:11 britney; IBM Wintel Pentagon conspiracy
16:11 matey; m-o-u-s-e
16:12 britney; Apple Computer
16:12 matey; it should be throwez
16:12 matey; throwez moi
16:12 matey; une friqqenne bon
16:13 matey; /me realises it means something else in french, not "bone"
16:13 matey; but "bon" sounds REALLY french though
16:14 britney; it is
16:14 matey; its not "bone appeTEET" its *talks with mouth full* TEE!
16:15 matey; stop pronouncing s and t you cretin(s)!
16:16 TR News; SpellBinding: ABEWLVI Wordo: TREE gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-01.gmi
16:16 britney; attack surface
16:16 matey; hehehe
16:16 britney; firefox is spyware and has attack surface
16:16 matey; very
16:16 matey; boucoup!
16:16 britney; i use brave, im safe
16:17 matey; the guy that plays the mayor in walking dead
16:17 matey; they did that bad lip reading where he sings
16:17 matey; so people came up to him for months and went LABBIBBIDI BIBIDUM! LABIBBIBIDI BIBIDOO!"
16:17 matey; and he had NO IDEA why
16:18 matey; then they showed him the bad lip reading at comic con or something
16:18 TR News; Week 29/30: Thoughts and Photos gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202208/20220801-2022-week-29-30-thoughts-and-photos.gmi
16:18 matey; and he finally understood the reference :)
16:18 matey; i imagine this happening to poor theo with "ATTACK SURFACE"
16:19 matey; but really it would just be me, and the rcmp would probably do something before it became a running joke
16:19 TR News; Why Im not a doomer (anymore) gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220801_climate_doomer
16:19 matey; "also there was this one girl who kept talking about robot neanderthals eating crickets"
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16:20 matey; "and poutine hot pockets, which actually sounds like a pretty good idea"
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16:20 matey; why hot pockets doesnt make things like waffles and pancakes i dont know
16:20 matey; waffle pocket
16:21 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1554122972935372804
16:21 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "On Russian state TV, State Duma Defense Committee's head Andrey Kartapolov proposed taking Ukrainian children from occupied territories and shipping them off to military boarding schools in Russia. Not one word about asking for their parents' permission or even their own wishes."|nitter
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16:21 matey; 1. place maple syrup outside of microwave
16:21 matey; 2. place waffle pocket(tm) in microwave sleeve on high for 2:30
16:22 matey; 3. pour syrup on waffle pocket(tm) CAUTION: FOOD WILL BE HOT
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16:23 matey; try all our varieties of hot pockets, poutine hot pockets, and pizza cricket pockets
16:23 schestowitz[TR2]; when all new mirowaves have microphones in nthem
16:24 schestowitz[TR2]; for "sdmart" assistants"
16:24 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe govs will iiinsist they need a camera too
16:24 schestowitz[TR2]; you know, for safety
16:24 schestowitz[TR2]; to make sure they know what you put in there
16:24 matey; you need to be able to see your hot pocket when you back up your microwave
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16:30 MinceR; (cat) (no audio) https://apina.biz/142446.webm?mode=sfw
16:30 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/142446.webm
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16:33 britney; <matey> "also there was this one girl who kept talking about robot neanderthals eating crickets"
16:33 britney; you vill eat ze crickets!
16:33 britney; <matey> waffle pocket
16:33 britney; that is a racial slur
16:33 MinceR; lol
16:34 TR News; indymedia https://digit.site36.net/2022/08/01/german-investigations-dropped-indymedia-platform-was-not-a-criminal-association/ | Source: Site36
16:34 TR Bot; German Investigations dropped: Indymedia platform was not a criminal association Security Architectures in the EU
16:34 TR News; "You wouldn't steal a car, right? So why are you pirating? With this 2004 message, the movie industry hoped to turn illegal downloaders into paying customers." https://torrentfreak.com/you-wouldnt-steal-research-shows-why-many-anti-piracy-messages-fail-220730/ | Source: Torrent Freak
16:34 TR Bot; Wouldn't Steal..." Research Shows Why Many Anti-Piracy Messages Fail * TorrentFreak
16:34 TR News; "Every week copyright holders and their anti-piracy agents issue instructions for content to be removed or blocked." https://torrentfreak.com/illegal-blocking-of-copyrighted-content-to-be-punished-under-draft-law-220801/ | Source: Torrent Freak
16:34 TR Bot; Blocking of Copyrighted Content to Be Punished Under Russian Draft Law * TorrentFreak
16:34 britney; "You Wouldn't Steal..." a car
16:35 britney; damn right I would if I could
16:35 schestowitz[TR2]; but steal...
16:35 britney; If I could steal a house by downloading it on the internet I would be a homeowner
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16:36 britney; That's whats so great about downloading but you can't download everything
16:37 XRevan86; https://theins.press/en/news/253717
16:37 TR Bot; Ukraine's largest grain trader Oleksiy Vadaturskiy and his wife Raisa killed in Mykolaiv shelling
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16:37 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/01/kosovo-puts-off-decision-to-disallow-serbia-issued-documents-and-number-plates-until-1-september-news "Kosovo puts off decision to disallow Serbia-issued documents and number plates until 1 September"
16:37 TR Bot; .
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16:38 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/01/russian-court-extends-stay-at-mental-hospital-for-shaman-who-promised-to-banish-putin-news "Russian court extends stay at mental hospital for shaman who promised to banish Putin"
16:38 TR Bot; .
16:38 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/01/a78454
16:38 TR Bot; Russia Accuses Radical Kosovo of Displacing Serbs in Border Row - The Moscow Times
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16:42 MinceR; you can't spell "homeowner" without "meow"
16:43 schestowitz[TR2]; home-main
16:43 schestowitz[TR2]; home-primary
16:44 TR News; Panopticon https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/01/the-genetic-panopticon/ | Source: Counter Punch
16:44 TR Bot; Genetic Panopticon - CounterPunch.org
16:44 TR News; "Why this bill? Because the term Net Neutrality polls well among those who dont bother to look into the details." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/01/net-neutrality-is-back-its-still-a-corporate-welfare-scam-and-internet-censorship-enabling-act/ | Source: Counter Punch
16:44 TR Bot; Neutrality" is Back. It's Still a Corporate Welfare Scam and Internet Censorship Enabling Act - CounterPunch.org
16:45 TR News; Pi Pico https://hackaday.com/2022/08/01/self-hosted-pi-pico-development/ | Source: Hackaday
16:45 TR Bot; Pi Pico Development | Hackaday
16:45 TR News; "Bicycles need at least two wheels to be rideable, but [The Q] realized you dont necessarily need the wheels to be in one piece." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/31/trippy-bicycle-uses-multiple-partial-wheels/ | Source: Hackaday
16:45 TR Bot; Bicycle Uses Multiple Partial Wheels | Hackaday
16:46 TR News; NES Clon https://hackaday.com/2022/07/31/hackaday-prize-2022-an-eastern-bloc-nes-clone/ | Source: Hackaday
16:46 TR Bot; Prize 2022: An Eastern Bloc NES Clone | Hackaday
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16:50 TR News; "corporate leaders and politicians are calling for belt-tightening" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/31/steps-biden-should-take-rein-excessive-ceo-pay | Source: Common Dreams
16:50 TR Bot; Opinion | Steps Biden Should Take to Rein in Excessive CEO Pay | Sarah Anderson
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16:51 TR News; Whistleblower Day https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/whistleblower-appreciation-day-2022/ | Source: PIA
16:51 TR Bot; Why Is July 30th National Whistleblower Day?
16:54 TR News; "Ever heard of Aerochrome? Its a unique type of color infrared film, originally created for the US military and designed for surveillance" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/01/re-creating-the-unique-look-of-unobtainable-aerochrome-film/ | Source: Hackaday
16:54 TR Bot; The Unique Look Of Unobtainable Aerochrome Film | Hackaday
16:55 TR News; ">In the context of Assange, Britain has been a willing jailor from the start" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/01/penal-assassination-the-gradual-effort-to-kill-assange/ | Source: Counter Punch
16:55 TR Bot; Assassination: The Gradual Effort to Kill Assange - CounterPunch.org
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16:58 TR News; Theft, amassing wealth and power https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/01/to-reduce-inflation-control-corporate-profits/ | Source: Counter Punch
16:58 TR Bot; Reduce Inflation, Control Corporate Profits - CounterPunch.org
16:58 TR News; Pelosi the Microsoft shareholder https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/01/five-reasons-why-nancy-pelosi-should-postpone-a-trip-to-taiwan/ | Source: Counter Punch
16:58 TR Bot; Reasons Why Nancy Pelosi Should Postpone a Trip to Taiwan - CounterPunch.org
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.85 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
16:59 TR News; Clemency https://truthout.org/articles/biden-should-grant-clemency-to-drone-warfare-whistleblower-daniel-hale/ | Source: TruthOut
16:59 TR Bot; Biden Should Grant Clemency to Drone Warfare Whistleblower Daniel Hale
17:00 TR News; Microsoft Pelosi, shareholder in organised crime, is creating political chaos for no good reason https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/01/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-visit-could-get-us-all-killed | Source: Common Dreams
17:00 TR Bot; Opinion | Nancy Pelosi Taiwan Visit Could Get Us All Killed | Norman Solomon
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17:05 TR News; "Imagine the days when youd pick up your phone, dial and get through to a human being." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/01/callers-say-cant-get-through-callees-say-dont-want-to-let-them-through/ | Source: Counter Punch
17:05 TR Bot; say Cant Get Through Callees say Dont Want to Let Them Through - CounterPunch.org
17:08 TR News; Padloc: An Intuitive Open-Source Password Manager Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167892
17:08 TR Bot; Padloc: An Intuitive Open-Source Password Manager | Tux Machines
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17:10 TR News; http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167848#comment-34483
17:10 TR Bot; New Release of Linux Mint (3 Flavours) | Tux Machines
17:11 TR News; When the 'solution' is worse than the problem... welcome to Microsoft Windows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSm1GcuygM0
17:11 TR Bot; https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=tSm1GcuygM0
17:11 TR Bot; invidious.weblibre.org | Is CCleaner Malware? - Invidious
17:12 TR News; I decided to take Ubuntu MATE 22.04 LTS for a Spin - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=e5kwIO1zyTU | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/e5kwIO1zyTU
17:12 TR Bot; I decided to take Ubuntu MATE 22.04 LTS for a Spin - Invidious
17:13 TR News; Pardus 21.3 overview | For Freedom - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=kzY71hm-LHU | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/kzY71hm-LHU http://techrights.org/2022/05/20/huseyin-guc-pardus-linux/
17:13 TR Bot; Pardus 21.3 overview | For Freedom - Invidious
17:13 TR Bot; Turkeys Migration to Pardus Linux and LibreOffice Explained 2 Months Ago in LibrePlanet | Techrights
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17:20 TR News; APT vs. DNF vs. YUM: Linux Package Managers Compared Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167893 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/APT_vs._DNF_vs._YUM:_Linux_Package_Managers_Compared.shtml
17:20 TR Bot; APT vs. DNF vs. YUM: Linux Package Managers Compared | Tux Machines
17:20 TR Bot; Tux Machines APT vs. DNF vs. YUM: Linux Package Managers Compared
17:21 TR News; How to Install Linux Kernel 5.19 in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | UbuntuHandbook https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/08/how-to-install-linux-kernel-5-19-in-ubuntu-22-04-lts/ Source: UbuntuHandbook | FreeSW | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/08/how-to-install-linux-kernel-5-19-in-ubuntu-22-04-lts/
↺ https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/08/how-to-install-linux-kernel-5-19-in-ubuntu-22-04-lts/
17:21 TR Bot; How to Install Linux Kernel 5.19 in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | UbuntuHandbook
17:24 MinceR; > APT vs. DNF vs. YUM
17:24 MinceR; no xbps
17:25 TR News; Luxtorpeda; not your daddys Steam Play compatibility tool (or maybe it is) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jPMadeMedmM | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/jPMadeMedmM
17:25 TR Bot; Luxtorpeda; not your daddy's Steam Play compatibility tool (or maybe it is) - Invidious
17:27 TR News; Misadventures with bash shell gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-01.bash.gmi
17:27 schestowitz[TR2]; MinceR: not corporate enough
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17:29 XRevan86; MinceR: At least it's not dpkg vs. APT vs. apt-get
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17:30 XRevan86; https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta Of course this is a much better article.
17:30 TR Bot; pacman/Rosetta - ArchWiki
17:30 MinceR; :>
17:32 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167894
17:32 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
17:32 TR News; APT vs. DNF vs. YUM: Linux Package Managers Compared Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167895
17:32 TR Bot; APT vs. DNF vs. YUM: Linux Package Managers Compared | Tux Machines
17:33 TR News; The continued blocking of Al-Manassas and dozens of news websites in Egypt must stop - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/blocking-of-al-manassa-egypt/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/blocking-of-al-manassa-egypt/
17:33 TR Bot; The continued blocking of Al-Manassas and dozens of news websites in Egypt must stop - Access Now
17:35 TR News; Videos: Luxtorpeda, Pardus, and Ubuntu MATE Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167896 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Videos:_Luxtorpeda,_Pardus,_and_Ubuntu_MATE.shtml
17:35 TR Bot; Videos: Luxtorpeda, Pardus, and Ubuntu MATE | Tux Machines
17:35 TR Bot; Tux Machines Videos: Luxtorpeda, Pardus, and Ubuntu MATE
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17:38 TR News; [GIT PULL] x86/cpu for v6.0 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/Yue3e%2FD%2F045z5X4Q@zn.tnic/T/#u Source: linuxn | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/Yue3e%2FD%2F045z5X4Q@zn.tnic/T/#u
17:38 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] x86/cpu for v6.0
17:38 TR News; MECOOL KP1 projector review Part 2: Android 11 TV OS and Full HD clarity https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/01/mecool-kp1-projector-review-android-11-tv-os-full-hd-clarity/
17:38 TR Bot; MECOOL KP1 projector review - Part 2: Android 11 TV OS and Full HD clarity - CNX Software
17:38 TR News; Q4OS 4.10 Gemini, stable Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167897 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Q4OS_4.10_Gemini,_stable.shtml
17:38 TR Bot; Q4OS 4.10 Gemini, stable | Tux Machines
17:38 TR Bot; Tux Machines Q4OS 4.10 Gemini, stable
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17:39 TR News; Do not become friends with GAFAM enablers? https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/08/ring-gives-videos-to-police-without-a-warrant-or-user-consent.html
17:39 TR Bot; Gives Videos to Police without a Warrant or User Consent - Schneier on Security
17:40 TR News; Talking about whether SURVEILLANCE equipment is "secure" or not is like debating how "tasty" a poison is
17:42 TR News; So despite all this spying it took many years to arrest your ARSE TECHNICALLY PEDOPHILE colleague (editor) for raping kids. While he was lying for Microsoft for a whole decade. Colleagues knew he was a pedo. His Microsoft 'articles' are STILL online! "https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/07/amazon-finally-admits-giving-cops-ring-doorbell-data-without-user-consent/
17:42 TR Bot; Amazon finally admits giving cops Ring doorbell data without user consent | Ars Technica
17:43 TR News; In ARSE TECHNICALLY PEDOPHILE (Conde Nast fake ness site) "disparging" Microsoft is worse than raping kids under 10
17:44 TR News; ARSE TECHNICALLY PEDOPHILE UK (Ars Technica UK) was founded by Microsoft with Microsoft money. Their editor admitted this to me after I had pressed. That was before we all knew that Microsoft main mole in that site (editor of forums, too) was a pedo.
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17:59 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/fanny
17:59 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Fanny
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18:01 britney; i use arch btw
18:02 schestowitz[TR2]; freenode is down btw
18:02 MinceR; i don't use arch btw
18:02 schestowitz[TR2]; btw stands for by the way btw
18:02 britney; btw im using 2.5GB of ram after a reboot
18:03 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167898 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/today%27s_howtos.shtml
18:03 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
18:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines today's howtos
18:03 *MinceR evicts britney from RAM
18:03 britney; it was almost at 6GB before the reboot, same apps
18:03 britney; memory leaks
18:05 schestowitz[TR2]; must be some very terrible sofwtare
18:05 MinceR; yeah, like systemd
18:12 britney; har har
18:12 britney; i checked and gnome only used about 300mb
18:12 britney; vlc was using the most
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18:27 britney; i thought of switching to KDE but c++ would likely leak memory too
18:27 britney; and its not gnome thats eating all my ram, discord is
18:28 matey; theres a first time for everything
18:28 britney; hey matey
18:28 matey; gnome: om nom nom nom DISCORD: OM NOM NOM NOM NOM!
18:28 *Now talking on #techrights
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18:28 britney; i could switch to icewm and discord is still gonna go brrrrr
18:29 matey; discord: *belch*
18:29 matey; BRRRRRRRR
18:29 britney; discord, element, keybase and brave are all gonna still go brrrrrrrrr
18:29 matey; GNOME! VERSUS! DISCOOOOOOOOOOOOOORD!
18:29 matey; FIGHT!
18:29 britney; gnome uses about as much as discord
18:29 britney; 300MB
18:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-31.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-01.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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18:30 matey; ============== gnome | discord ==============
18:30 matey; discord would be saying all the things its about to do, while its loading
18:30 britney; right now gnome shell is using 132MB and Discord is using 235MB
18:31 matey; while gnome would be bragging about every move in the fucking term window you launched the app from, like 10x more verbose than any other application
18:31 matey; fun fact, if you use --verbose with a gnome app, you can BREAK the INTERNET
18:31 bnchs; discord has designed their program (or rather an entire browser) to be as memory hogging as it can
18:31 matey; its like searching for "google" with google, so DONT do it!
18:32 britney; i've tried discord with pidgin and it works but i don't get all the scrollback
18:32 XRevan86; Fun fact: it's possible to reload the page in Electron (such as Discord) by pressing ^R
18:33 matey; you know its going to be a big fight because the ring actually has to be rebuilt several times DURING the match just to hold all this bullshit
18:33 matey; electron is a misnomer
18:33 matey; electrons take up VERY little space and have VERY little mass
18:33 matey; MOST scales are like "wha?"
18:33 matey; but "electron" is actually bloated as shit, it weighs like 500 lbs
18:33 matey; in software lbs
18:34 matey; so its sort of like "little john" who is the largest of the merry men
18:34 matey; little john electron
18:34 matey; you had some ram? now its gone
18:35 britney; I have 16GB of ram, im not running out of ram
18:35 matey; have you tried turning it off and on?
18:35 matey; silly fucking electron
18:35 britney; i did try turning it off and on, thats why im not using 6GB ram anymore
18:35 matey; I have 16GB of ram <- thats almost enough for the gnome version of discord
18:35 XRevan86; matey: How much are software 500 lbs in software kilos?
18:36 matey; XRevan86: over 9000
18:36 matey; its not a very exact conversion
18:36 matey; like agnostic to christian scientist
18:37 matey; do you know that christian scientists DONT use christian metric?
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18:37 matey; theyre still on christian imperial
18:37 britney; christian scientists lol
18:37 matey; some "scientists"!
18:37 XRevan86; 221.5 kibibytes approximately.
18:38 XRevan86; matey: I don't actually know how to process that.
18:38 matey; neither do they, but its authoritative so they dont have to
18:38 britney; i want the pizza crickets!
18:38 matey; cricket poutine is the best one
18:39 matey; (another good name for a band)
18:39 britney; i like moho discontinuity
18:39 matey; ladies and gentlemen, tonight! in the ontario civic centre / hockey rink / dancehall...
18:40 matey; CRICKETTTTTTTTTTTT POU-TINNNEEEEEEEE!
18:40 britney; the moho discontinuity is where the hive mind neanderthals live
18:40 matey; *women go insane and throw their clothes at the zamboni machine in the corner*
18:40 britney; girls gone wild!
18:40 matey; the canadian version
18:40 matey; "whats with the camera, eh?"
18:41 matey; "youre supposed to take off your top"
18:41 matey; "no way hoser, its fucking cold up here!"
18:41 matey; "i havent taken off my top in 6 months eh"
18:42 matey; /me bases most impressions of canada from sctv, which was like 100 years ago
18:42 britney; sctv lol
18:42 britney; you should watch Trailer Park Boys
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18:42 matey; if it was any older it would be scradio
18:42 matey; my wife loved trailer park boys
18:43 britney; its such an amazing show
18:43 matey; its... something
18:43 CrystalMath; matey: i only know The Great White North
18:43 CrystalMath; that's from the 80s right
18:43 CrystalMath; Bob & Doug Mackenzie
18:43 britney; hey CrystalMath speaks!
18:43 CrystalMath; hi britney
18:43 britney; hi CrystalMath, i love your name
18:43 matey; im not saying it wasnt funny, it was
18:43 matey; we have those birds here
18:44 matey; the ones that go CHEEEEEEESEBURGERRRRR!
18:44 CrystalMath; britney: thanks :)
18:44 matey; ill whistle cheeseburger at them
18:45 britney; i love cheeseburgers
18:45 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BQA6CtrrZKs
18:45 TR Bot; Trailer Park Boys - Chickadee Cheeseburger - Invidious
18:46 CrystalMath; i think matey has me on ignore, and i knew that before but then forgot
18:46 CrystalMath; and then realized it again, and then forgot again
18:47 britney; CrystalMath, what did you do that made matey block you?
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18:47 CrystalMath; britney: idk it must have been an argument about imperialism
18:47 matey; she probably shouldnt drink that if shes pregant or the baby might turn out just like his old man
18:48 matey; pregant adj. vt. knocked up with the headmaster of a school
18:48 matey; or rather from (possibly both)
18:48 CrystalMath; britney: i'm strongly anti-imperialist, and i specifically assert that people have a right to establish sovereign states with systems that are not liberal
18:48 matey; its important to define your typos properly or they could lead to confusion
18:48 britney; CrystalMath, its really hard to get matey mad
18:49 XRevan86; britney: CrystalMath is a proponent of radical freedom, which means that dictators are free to do anything as long as it annoys the EU.
18:49 CrystalMath; XRevan86: well they're free to do anything, but i will only LIKE it if it annoys the EU
18:49 CrystalMath; :P
18:50 XRevan86; britney: Basically, activelow and CrystalMath are our local putinists.
18:50 britney; putinists lol
18:50 CrystalMath; XRevan86: you posted some fake news btw, no one shot over the border yesterday, it was a protest in north kosovo
18:51 britney; oh i figured out that ulf is earthling
18:51 CrystalMath; XRevan86: some protester was armed but he lives there, it has nothing to do with serbia per se
18:51 XRevan86; CrystalMath: There was some confusion over what happened yesterday.
18:51 CrystalMath; XRevan86: the government decided to postpone some unpopular decisions so the protest has calmed down
18:51 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AvKhAHflqvM
18:51 TR Bot; TACO PUTTIN ON THE RITZ 2017 (A Tribute To Fred Astaire) - Invidious
18:51 matey; of course he i
18:51 matey; who the fuck else would say that shit?
18:51 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Indeed.
18:53 britney; matey, lol yeah the stuff about the UN
18:53 britney; IBM Wintel Pentagon controls every PC
18:53 matey; not many people know this
18:54 matey; but when he was younger
18:54 matey; earthling was the zima guy https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yUcq9_IsnXM
18:54 TR Bot; Zima commercial (1994) - Invidious
18:54 ulf; not many people know GNU/FSF etc. "endorse" it, it's "free" instead they say
18:55 britney; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4715B10QLU
18:55 TR Bot; https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=D4715B10QLU
18:55 TR Bot; youtube.076.ne.jp | COVID19 MAGA Coffin Dance Idiot Tribute - Invidious
18:55 ulf; that's why, i wonder, and whose payroll they are, those "non-profit" "NGO" etc.
18:55 britney; ulf, you can find out, their financials are public
18:55 ulf; didn't Putin demand those "NGO" register accordingly and reveal their sources of income?
18:56 XRevan86; https://agents.media/berezkin-en/
18:56 TR Bot; Articles whitewashing Kremlin-affiliated businessman Grigory Berezkin and his company, RBC, have appeared inthe world media. The articles show signs of aPR campaign aimed atbenefiting Berezkin, who istrying toescape Western sanctions
18:56 ulf; sure britney, and i trust those reports as much as i believe Trumpovitsch and his tax filings
18:56 matey; if you know where you can go to why dont you go where ruscists sit
18:56 matey; PUTIN on the ritz
18:56 britney; ulf, so you're accusing the GNU/FSF of fraud?
18:57 matey; stalinists in army p-coats with medals pinned to their coats its such bullshit
18:57 matey; PUTIN on the ritz
18:57 ulf; britney: i do knot know, if they're only some deluded idealists, or idiots, or mobsters.
18:58 matey; western ones at that
18:58 matey; eastern mobsters-- eh
18:58 ulf; and, i only followed some talks from RMS, otherwise do not know anyone else
18:58 britney; RMS is a mobster?
18:58 ulf; although, some particular technical details, reveal who they really are
18:58 matey; western mobsters-- OH MY GOD https://yewtu.be/watch?v=E58qLXBfLrs
18:58 TR Bot; Kanye West - Can't Tell Me Nothing - Invidious
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.85 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
18:59 ulf; britney: i do not know, what the real motives of RMS and FSF/GNU are.
18:59 ulf; this is what i want to know
18:59 ulf; in any case, what's advertised as "free" isn't anymore
18:59 matey; 48 million people being invaded in ukraine? THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CHOICE!
18:59 britney; ulf, what is free?
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19:00 ulf; britney: what are those projects of the GNU/FSF/RMS: GCC, their glorious build-system, bash, GNOME, the whole bunch of anti-competitive plunder
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19:01 matey; <britney> ulf, what is free? <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HEXWRTEbj1I
19:01 TR Bot; Haddaway - What Is Love [Official] - Invidious
19:02 matey; it was only a matter of time before "i would do anything for love but i wont do that" was made into a german techno dance remix
19:03 matey; and thats what we did
19:05 matey; if you play the video for "i would do anything for love but i wont do that" synced with the audio for "easy lover" by genesis and the guy from earth wind and fire
19:05 matey; it works pretty well
19:06 techuser; love is evil
19:06 matey; love is evol backwards
19:06 techuser; it ruins lives
19:06 matey; its the only way, youll ever know know know know ahhhhhhhahhhh
19:07 matey; shell take your heart but you wont feel it-- like no other, before you know it youll be on your knees
19:07 techuser; cuddlybear66 thinks she won't fuck it up and will have a good family with good children, but I'm not that optimistic
19:07 matey; anything is possible
19:07 cuddlybear66; u should be
19:08 cuddlybear66;
19:08 matey; not every family is too fucked up
19:11 techuser; there are a lot of divorces
19:11 techuser; also many people don't divorce, but remain unhappy
19:14 CrystalMath; matey: you are insane, most people on this world are anti-western, and most of ukraine too
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19:20 matey; there no hard rule that fits everyone
19:20 matey; except the obvious one
19:20 matey; theyre all but
19:20 matey; nuts
19:20 matey; keyboards is but too
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19:28 XRevan86; "and most of ukraine too" <- Why most? All 146% of them.
19:31 MinceR; :>
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19:31 MinceR; 01 192739 < britney> i thought of switching to KDE but c++ would likely leak memory too
19:31 MinceR; how does C++ leak memory?
19:31 MinceR; 01 192856 < britney> i could switch to icewm and discord is still gonna go brrrrr
19:31 MinceR; maybe get rid of shitcord, then
19:33 MinceR; lol @ christian "scientists"
19:33 MinceR; rotfl @ ruscism being "anti-imperialist"
19:35 MinceR; "what we do is not imperialism specifically (and only) because we said it wasn't imperialism"
19:35 XRevan86; MinceR: Fire with fire, some vaguely defined fire with quite literal fire.
19:35 MinceR; lol
19:35 MinceR; their denial goes further than that
19:36 XRevan86; "I'm a fire fighter, I see fire in your eyes" *brings out the flame thrower*
19:38 XRevan86; Yea, not funny, I get it: too accurate.
19:39 MinceR; "Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?"
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19:42 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/good-3
19:42 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Good
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20:02 britney; <MinceR> how does C++ leak memory?
20:02 britney; https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/
20:02 TR Bot; C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs!
20:03 britney; C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. Bjarne Stroustrup
20:07 MinceR; [not in citation given]
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20:14 britney; c++ is so bad that it causes bugs because its so hard to write good code for it
20:16 britney; it also seems to take forever to compile software made in c++
20:16 XRevan86; The kilometrage varies significantly depending on how the software is written.
20:18 MinceR; C is harder to write good cood for
20:18 MinceR; s/cood/code/
20:19 britney; at some point my vlc was using 800mb and its a c++ app
20:19 britney; it was clearly leaking ram
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20:25 MinceR; and you concluded that the only possible cause of that memory leak can be the language it was implemented in
20:25 MinceR; a language that only officially supported manual memory management for ages
20:26 MinceR; just like C
20:26 XRevan86; MinceR: Rewrite it in Rust, and all the problems will be magically solved :)
20:26 britney; Golang
20:27 MinceR; lol
20:27 XRevan86; Unironic answer to ironic proposition, cool.
20:30 XRevan86; Google's also developing Carbon now.
20:31 XRevan86; Its difference from Rust is not clear to me.
20:31 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22072043
20:31 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/4a503bc1kub91.png created on 2022-07-20 16:36:02.400109
20:32 ulf; with programs written in c++ an undeniable tendency exists for excess resource requirements
20:32 ulf; in comparison to software written in C
20:33 ulf; besides, OpenJDK, written in C++, is among the worst of those
20:34 XRevan86; With programmes written in C an undeniable tendency exists for excess resource requirements, in comparison to software written in IA-16 assembly.
20:35 ulf; however, the problem are C++ and their compilers
20:35 XRevan86; Besides, Xonotic, written in C, is among the worst of those.
20:36 ulf; well, xonotic was worse than nexuiz
20:36 techuser; I know Xonotic has stats sending
20:36 techuser; it also has debugging mode to enable displaying connections made
20:36 techuser; so even if the stats are supposedly disabled, it still sends them
20:36 techuser; just they are not displayed
20:36 XRevan86; ulf: That's not even mimicking, that's a random unrelated opinion.
20:37 techuser; also update checking, why even do it when we have package managers?
20:38 XRevan86; techuser: For the poor and the oppressed: Windows users?
20:38 techuser; can disable it for GNU/Linux
20:38 techuser; also, Microsoft Store since recently
20:39 ulf; GNU toolchain wreckage in C++ isn't a random unrelated opinion
20:39 XRevan86; I could've written "Besides, Nexiuz Classic, written in C, is among the worst of those.", and that would've changed nothing.
20:40 MinceR; a big part of nexuiz classic and xonotic is written in QuakeC
20:40 MinceR; afaik it's a bigger part relative to the engine than in the case of original Quake
20:42 XRevan86; Of course, Xonotic's (Nexiuz Classic's, sure) heaviness is related to the programming language in no way whatsoever, it's a 3D game. And OpenJDK well, ye can guess.
20:44 ulf; darkplaces engine was relatively efficient, had a capable software rasterizer too
20:44 ulf; what are you trying to say XRevan86 ?
20:44 XRevan86; ulf: That OpenJDK being heavy is not caused by it being written in C++.
20:45 ulf; XRevan86: wrong. C++ contributes considerable to this, although it's not the only problem with OpenJDK
20:45 ulf; y
20:45 *MinceR wonders if we'll ever see any of these claims supported by evidence
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20:48 XRevan86; MinceR: Look at OpenJDK, then look at hello-world.c, the answer is obvious.
20:49 MinceR; lol
20:49 MinceR; the filename of hello-world.c doesn't fit in 8.3, it's obviously too bloated
20:51 XRevan86; MinceR: True, and it's probably written in a bloated modern C, now HELLOWORL.C written in pre-C89 ("K&R C"), that's the stuff.
20:51 ulf; comparison: tinycc compiler ~100K LoC, compiles including cross compilers in a few seconds
20:52 XRevan86; MinceR: I think we just got confirmed on the activelow.
20:52 ulf; GCC, dozens of millions of LoC, requires hours to compile, and another few hours for the cross-toolchains
20:52 ulf; amazing
20:52 XRevan86; * confirmation
20:52 ulf; and with C++, this was improved that much, the best ever free shit brought to you by the FSF
20:53 britney; ulf, does this have to do with ICBM Wintel Pentagon stuff?
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20:54 ulf; britney: it's a "non-profit" "NGO" for
20:54 ulf; "freedom"
20:55 britney; so linux is a conspiracy?
20:55 ulf; linux? i don't think it was when LT began.
20:57 britney; GNU/FSF and the United Nations right?
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21:01 ulf; anyway, ITU-T (Telecom), is the oldest international organization of the UN, to begin there
21:01 ulf; although, whoever hijacked this, i don't give a whatever wherever
21:02 ulf; was surprised to read about it myself, UN was involved with the funding of unicode support (Harfbuzz/Graphite/Cairo)
21:02 ulf; which was the crap GNOME incorprorated
21:03 ulf; which RMS is proud of, if i didn't misread him
21:03 ulf; so whoever whatever this is, the result is a gigantic wreckage, including the GNU toolchain
21:07 britney; im happy to use the official go compiler and not have to deal with that GNU nonsense
21:11 ulf; britney: this google nonsense can't at least digest C89
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21:22 TR News; smolZINE - Issue 31 gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/smolzine/smolzine-issue-31.gmi
21:23 TR News; You Can Get a Weird Domain Today gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-08-01-you-can-get-a-weird-domain-today.gmi
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21:27 TR News; UEFI Terra Firma for Attackers https://insights.sei.cmu.edu/blog/uefi-terra-firma-for-attackers/ Source: insights | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//insights.sei.cmu.edu/blog/uefi-terra-firma-for-attackers/ http://techrights.org/wiki/UEFI
21:27 TR Bot; UEFI Terra Firma for Attackers
21:27 TR Bot; UEFI - Techrights
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21:27 TR News; Is Linux secure? | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/is-linux-secure Source: ubuntu | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntu.com//blog/is-linux-secure
21:27 TR Bot; Linux secure? | Ubuntu
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21:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-31.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-01.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:30 TR News; Changing the subject when the real news is Linux release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167871#comment-34485
21:30 TR Bot; Linus Torvalds Released Linux Kernel 5.19 From An Apple Hardware Running Asahi Linux | Tux Machines
21:35 TR News; 2022.31 JustinTimeRelease - Rakudo Weekly News https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/08/01/2022-31-justintimerelease/ Source: rakudoweekly | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//rakudoweekly.blog/2022/08/01/2022-31-justintimerelease/
21:35 TR Bot; 2022.31 JustinTimeRelease Rakudo Weekly News
21:35 MinceR; (cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/fvTLtwN
21:35 TR Bot; Meet Cinder - rimgo
21:36 TR News; "The minimum requirements for Rust toolchains targeting Linux will increase with the Rust 1.64.0 release (slated for September 22nd, 2022)." https://blog.rust-lang.org/2022/08/01/Increasing-glibc-kernel-requirements.html
21:36 TR Bot; Increasing the glibc and Linux kernel requirements | Rust Blog
21:36 TR News; "The 2022 Linux Plumbers Conference (LPC) has announced its schedule. The conference will be held in Dublin, Ireland, September 12-14" https://lwn.net/Articles/903481/
21:36 TR Bot; 2022 Linux Plumbers Conference schedule is out [LWN.net]
21:37 TR News; Warning: blocking online platforms in Kenya will spread election disinformation - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/kenya-online-platforms-social-media-blocking-internet-shutdown-election/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/kenya-online-platforms-social-media-blocking-internet-shutdown-election/
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21:37 TR Bot; Warning: blocking online platforms in Kenya will spread election disinformation - Access Now
21:38 TR News; Emmabuntus DE4-1.02 is out https://emmabuntus.org/
21:38 TR Bot; Emmabunts Collectif pour le remploi des ordinateurs et distribution Linux base sur Debian
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21:42 TR News; AWS is a total waste of money and should be illegal in most cases (at the very least for data protection reasons). https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/08/01/money-keeps-raining-down-from-the-aws-cloud/
21:42 TR Bot; Money Keeps Raining Down From The AWS Cloud
21:43 TR News; The Fathers of Kubernetes: Where Are They Now? - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/the-fathers-of-kubernetes-where-are-they-now/ Source: containerjournal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//containerjournal.com/features/the-fathers-of-kubernetes-where-are-they-now/
21:43 TR Bot; The Fathers of Kubernetes: Where Are They Now? - Container Journal
21:44 TR News; Hopefully Intel too will be out of business too (but Biden is bailout out CHIPS companies now) https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/01/optane_intel_cancellation/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_Crimes_and_Offences
21:44 TR Bot; Why the end of Optane is bad news for the entire IT world The Register
21:44 TR Bot; Intel Crimes and Offences - Techrights
21:46 TR News; Privileged Conversations - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/privileged-conversations-2/ Source: publicknowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/privileged-conversations-2/
21:46 TR Bot; Privileged Conversations - Public Knowledge
21:50 TR News; Openwashing by bloodthirtsy empire https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/29/dept_of_defense_funds_google_skywater_os_chips/
21:50 TR Bot; US DoD funds Google and SkyWater to enable open-source chips The Register
21:51 TR News; "From July 23 to July 27, four members of the Buildroot community gathered in the sunny south of France for a 5-day long hackathon on Buildroot: Yann Morin, Romain Naour from Smile, Arnout Vandecappelle from Mind and Thomas Petazzoni from Bootlin" https://bootlin.com/blog/buildroot-summer-2022-hackathon/
21:51 TR Bot; Summer 2022 Hackathon - Bootlin's blog
21:52 TR News; "The black and white e-paper display offers a resolution of 800 x 480 pixels, is Arduino programmable and backward compatible with earlier T5 E-paper solution, and should be one of the most cost-effective to way to make a wireless E-paper display." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/01/7-5-inch-e-paper-display-esp32-boards/
21:52 TR Bot; $52 7.5-inch E-paper display connects to ESP32 boards - CNX Software
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21:55 TR News; TDF Annual Report 2021 - The Document Foundation Blog https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/08/01/tdf-annual-report-2021/ Source: Documentfoundation | OpenDocument | freesw | libreoffice | odf | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/08/01/tdf-annual-report-2021/
21:55 TR Bot; TDF Annual Report 2021 - The Document Foundation Blog
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22:01 TR News; ALP Prototype is Evolving, Proof of Concept Expected in Fall | SUSE Communities https://www.suse.com/c/alp-prototype-is-evolving-proof-of-concept-expected-in-fall/ Source: suse | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.suse.com/c/alp-prototype-is-evolving-proof-of-concept-expected-in-fall/
22:01 TR Bot; Prototype is Evolving, Proof of Concept Expected in Fall | SUSE Communities
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22:02 TR News; The Pine Formula Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167899 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/The_Pine_Formula.shtml
22:02 TR Bot; The Pine Formula | Tux Machines
22:02 TR Bot; Tux Machines The Pine Formula
22:02 TR News; EasyOS 32-bit works on old Aspire 3681WXMi laptop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167900
22:03 TR Bot; EasyOS 32-bit works on old Aspire 3681WXMi laptop | Tux Machines
22:03 TR News; Testing LibreOffice 7.4 RC2 and the Annual Report Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167901 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Testing_LibreOffice_7.4_RC2_and_the_Annual_Report.shtml
22:03 TR Bot; Testing LibreOffice 7.4 RC2 and the Annual Report | Tux Machines
22:03 TR Bot; Tux Machines Testing LibreOffice 7.4 RC2 and the Annual Report
22:10 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22072032
22:10 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/2fz1szjutmc91.jpg created on 2022-07-20 12:01:25.517435
22:20 XRevan86; https://i.ibb.co/kMFB0xy/image.png
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22:27 XRevan86; https://i.ibb.co/6t35zw2/image.png it actually tried
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22:28 TR News; http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/easyos-32-bit/
22:28 TR Bot; Links 01/08/2022: Q4OS 4.10 and EasyOS 32-bit in Action | Techrights
22:29 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167902 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/security_2.shtml
22:29 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:29 TR Bot; Tux Machines Security Leftovers
22:30 TR News; Linux Events and Linux Foundation Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167903 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Linux_Events_and_Linux_Foundation.shtml
22:30 TR Bot; Linux Events and Linux Foundation | Tux Machines
22:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Linux Events and Linux Foundation
22:30 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167904 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/programming_3.shtml
22:30 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
22:30 TR News; Devices/Embedded: Arduino, Banana Pi, Raspberry Pi, and SkyWater Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167905 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/DevicesEmbedded:_Arduino,_Banana_Pi,_Raspberry_Pi,_and_SkyWater.shtml
22:30 TR Bot; Devices/Embedded: Arduino, Banana Pi, Raspberry Pi, and SkyWater | Tux Machines
22:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Devices/Embedded: Arduino, Banana Pi, Raspberry Pi, and SkyWater
22:30 TR News; Games: Valve, MangoHud, and OpenRazer Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167906 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/VGames:_Valve,_MangoHud,_and_OpenRazer.shtml
22:30 TR Bot; Games: Valve, MangoHud, and OpenRazer | Tux Machines
22:30 TR Bot; Tux Machines Games: Valve, MangoHud, and OpenRazer
22:31 TR News; Servers: Adaptable Linux Platform (ALP) and Fathers of Kubernetes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167907 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Servers:_Adaptable_Linux_Platform_ALP_and_Fathers_of_Kubernetes.shtml
22:31 TR Bot; Servers: Adaptable Linux Platform (ALP) and Fathers of Kubernetes | Tux Machines
22:31 TR Bot; Tux Machines Servers: Adaptable Linux Platform (ALP) and Fathers of Kubernetes
22:31 TR News; This GNOME Extension Brings Material You Vibes to Linux Desktops Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167908
22:31 TR Bot; This GNOME Extension Brings Material You Vibes to Linux Desktops | Tux Machines
22:31 TR News; Linux Mint 21 is Now Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167848#comment-34486
22:31 TR Bot; New Release of Linux Mint (3 Flavours) | Tux Machines
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22:54 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167909
22:54 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:54 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167910 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Today_in_Techrights.shtml
22:54 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
22:54 TR Bot; Tux Machines Today in Techrights
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.85 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
23:04 MinceR; steve ballmer looks appropriately demonic
23:05 TR News; [Meme] Breaking Out the Champagne for a Landmark Occasion | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/djukanovic-and-campinos/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/01/djukanovic-and-campinos/
23:05 TR Bot; [Meme] Breaking Out the Champagne for a Landmark Occasion | Techrights
23:06 phanes; yeah he's not hard to picture eating entrails on the far end of a 60 foot long dining table in a suit
23:06 phanes; like with his hands
23:07 phanes; reminds me of that movie "Trolls"
23:07 phanes; from the 80s
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23:08 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22072027
23:08 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/FQ7tBur.png created on 2022-07-20 10:39:19.001784
23:08 MinceR; "They're eating her! And then, they're going to eat me! Oh my gawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwd!"
23:10 schestowitz[TR2]; once again a series on EPO corruption will lead us to exposing state level corruption
23:10 schestowitz[TR2]; next month
23:10 schestowitz[TR2]; it's all connected
23:16 schestowitz-TR; Breaking Out the Champagne for a Landmark Occasion | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/djukanovic-and-campinos/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/01/djukanovic-and-campinos/
23:16 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/djukanovic-and-campinos/
23:17 schestowitz[TR2]; sorry, wrong account
23:17 schestowitz[TR2]; shuffled some stuff aroudn today, system updates and all
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23:19 AdmFubar; https://www.pogowasright.org/usa-offers-foreign-states-access-to-1-1-billion-biometric-encounters-in-return-for-reciprocal-database-access/
23:19 TR Bot; USA offers foreign states access to 1.1 billion biometric encounters in return for reciprocal database access
23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; it'll leak eventually
23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; leak to everywhere
23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; and then what?
23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; afaik, they have my fingerprints
23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; because I traveled 16 years ago
23:20 britney; like c++ memory leaks
23:21 AdmFubar; https://www.pogowasright.org/these-companies-know-when-youre-pregnant-and-theyre-not-keeping-it-secret/
23:21 TR Bot; These Companies Know When Youre PregnantAnd Theyre Not Keeping It Secret
23:21 TR News; Making a COPR package gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-08-01.gmi
23:22 schestowitz[TR2]; many homes have internet-connected microphones
23:22 schestowitz[TR2]; they're called smart
23:22 schestowitz[TR2]; and "assistents"
23:22 schestowitz[TR2]; *tants
23:22 schestowitz[TR2]; they make thee state smat
23:22 schestowitz[TR2]; and assist the state
23:22 schestowitz[TR2]; and by state I mean corporate state
23:23 schestowitz[TR2]; of course only terrorists would oppose such a delighful advancement
23:23 schestowitz[TR2]; microphoneless homes = terror cedlls
23:23 schestowitz[TR2]; *cells
23:23 *phanes feels like jabba the hutt whenever he uses grubhub to order food
23:26 MinceR; pizza the hutt
23:26 schestowitz[TR2]; jabba farmer
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23:30 DaemonFC; That might be a good description today.
23:31 DaemonFC; I ate too much and ended up taking a nap.
23:31 AdmFubar; roy you need your fingers slimmed :P
23:41 XRevan86; britney: What's your opinion on https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/raii ?
23:41 TR Bot; RAII - cppreference.com
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