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00:01 DaemonFC; It's not exactly reasonable to remain compatible with old buggy compilers that need special workarounds, which nobody is even testing, and are unsupported upstream.
00:02 DaemonFC; Haiku 64-bit has no compatibility with legacy BeOS.
00:02 DaemonFC; The 32-bit version is tricky to build. For compatibility with BeOS, it has to be compiled with a version of GCC that's about 20 years old.
00:03 DaemonFC; It is hard to imagine what legacy BeOS software anyone would want to run since it was never a very popular system.
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00:16 matey; schestowitz-TR for low-income homes they give 150 this month to help with rising energy costs we got 150 pounds a few days ago
00:16 matey; /me tries to understand how hes going to retire in early/mid 40s while being low-income, but ok
00:17 matey; /me refers to claims of retiring soon made a year or two ago
00:17 matey; i dont suppose its impossible per se
00:25 activelow; DaemonFC: would you consider C++, what's typically written with it, or any of it's compilers stable and reliable?
00:29 *psydruid plans to simply expire
00:34 psydruid; I never understood compatibility with ancient closed source software for BeOS
00:34 matey; its a goal from another era
00:35 matey; compatibility as a feature was a big deal in the 80s
00:35 matey; it still matters, but back then it was like "and this car has WINGS, too"
00:35 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/funny-pictures-4-20-22-19.jpg
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00:36 matey; "you mean it works with everything i already own, too?"
00:36 matey; "YES!"
00:36 matey; i was extremely impressed when os/2 warp ran windows 3.x applications
00:37 matey; it seemed like a magic trick
00:37 psydruid; "I want the KFC Car and Game Console, because they have wings!"
00:37 matey; of course i was pretty naive about it. wikipedia wouldnt exist for what, another ecade or so
00:38 matey; i was also impressed to find a kfc in the uk :)
00:38 matey; impressed and somewhat shocked
00:38 psydruid; I understand why they did it, but at some point it keeps you from moving forward
00:38 matey; and naturally, the kfc in britain has better chips than the american ones do
00:38 psydruid; and then it's time to let go
00:38 matey; i dont think compatibility is such a bad thing
00:39 psydruid; oh, I didn't know
00:39 matey; i mean sometimes its a drag
00:39 matey; and other times its great
00:39 matey; i dont know if theres a hard rule here
00:40 matey; i think it depends on what is meant by compatibility too
00:40 matey; because systemd isnt being held back by compatibility, its simply destroying everything it touches
00:41 psydruid; nowadays you mainly want to be compatible with what goes for "free software" despite all the negatives associated with the (by itself positive) term
00:41 matey; if your goal is to emulate the nes for example
00:41 matey; thats a worthwhile goal imo
00:42 matey; even though i dont personally give a shit about the nes
00:42 psydruid; sure, because you want to play those games
00:42 matey; the broader goal of
00:42 matey; no
00:42 psydruid; or someone does
00:42 matey; because id like there to be museums where people can play those games
00:42 matey; or just
00:42 matey; you know
00:42 matey; living computer history
00:43 matey; being able to install some compatibility layer, and try something from 50 years ago
00:43 matey; then again i think people should USUALLY avoid installing wine
00:43 psydruid; I could see that being important to some people
00:43 matey; but why beos wants it so much as a builtin
00:43 matey; that i dont know
00:44 matey; just to say we can do it too
00:44 matey; or someone gave them money dogeared for that to be implemented
00:44 matey; or maybe
00:44 matey; beos serves no other real purpose unless it can do that...
00:45 matey; like if wine cant run windows programs...
00:45 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/27/nj-appeals-court-lower-court-mixed-up-4th-and-5th-amendment-and-either-way-phone-passcodes-can-be-compelled/
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00:45 TR Bot; Appeals Court: Lower Court Mixed Up 4th And 5th Amendment And Either Way, Phone Passcodes Can Be Compelled | Techdirt
00:45 matey; then whats it for?
00:45 psydruid; nothing
00:45 matey; the other thing is
00:45 matey; businesses that can stick with a custom solution for a LONG LONG time
00:46 matey; i mean like cobol in banks
00:46 matey; cobol!
00:46 matey; there was a time, in the past 17 years, where you could make SOME money if you were very proficient at quickbasic
00:46 matey; because people still had point of sale machines based on it
00:46 matey; so to maintain them they needed someone who could code in qb
00:47 matey; or they had to buy all new machines
00:48 matey; f course these are edge uses
00:49 matey; most people just get new stuff
00:49 psydruid; I ran haiku on a low-end laptop for a year but it was a bit buggy and an update broke hardware support, so I got rid of it
00:49 matey; but theyve got places that make taffy for example
00:49 matey; the machines are more than 100 years old
00:50 matey; and if they break down, they have someone come in and repair them
00:50 matey; it was a bit buggy and an update broke hardware support, so I got rid of it <- yeah i mean, i have no use for it. i think its even github-based
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00:51 psydruid; I just wanted to see what it was like and what it did differently from gnu/linux
00:51 matey; it has a certain charm but thats about it
00:52 matey; farther along than reactos but at least as niche
00:53 psydruid; the only thing haiku and reactos can teach us is how to be nimble with resources, because that seems like a lost art
00:54 matey; i dont think reactos can even do that
00:54 matey; i mean start with a 20 year old system
00:54 matey; then implement half of it
00:54 matey; of course its going to be light on resources
00:55 matey; but that doesnt mean ntkerne was light on resources at the time
00:55 matey; nt was a beast
00:55 matey; i mean we could get a 20 year old version of debian
00:55 matey; it started in 1995...
00:55 matey; implement half of it :)
00:56 matey; but i mean, baphos already does that, so
00:56 matey; et voila
00:56 matey; and even if theres a hint of sarcasm here, i dont think its the stupidest idea in the world to do this
00:57 matey; but it has tradeoffs, big ones
00:57 matey; so do ros and haiki
00:57 matey; haiku
00:57 matey; im not sure theyre doing anything special in this regard though. maybe they are
00:57 psydruid; I guess terminalos will outdo them all
00:57 matey; yeah i mean
00:57 matey; theo doesnt even use x :)
00:58 matey; my guess is he watches netflix on a roku or something
00:58 matey; or bought some blu-ray player with the same capability
00:58 psydruid; it will take us to the moon and poof, the os is gone
00:58 matey; he cant be stupid enough to own a smart tv :/
00:58 psydruid; because it was devices as a terminal os
00:59 matey; it will take us to the moon <- i mean if you want reliability, just thread rope cores like the moon lander did :)
00:59 matey; libre hardware!
01:00 matey; they didnt have to "source" any intel chips or z80 because they didnt have tech like that in 1969
01:00 psydruid; I used a smart tv as an external monitor for some time, but it was never connected to the internet
01:00 matey; i dont want to give money to the people selling them
01:00 psydruid; I noticed it was looking for a connection to the mother ship at night
01:00 matey; of course ill be a tv WITHOUT a mic and camera from the same people, so im not entirely sure what point im making
01:01 psydruid; I didn't buy it, but I used it for that time
01:01 matey; though im willing to stick with it until i get a better idea
01:01 matey; the other thing is
01:01 matey; wifi
01:01 psydruid; I've only ever bought computer monitors
01:01 matey; yeah
01:01 matey; i mean if it wont play on a computer monitor
01:01 matey; i probably dont need to play it
01:02 matey; and with monitors that do hdmi now...
01:03 matey; i mean this one does hsmi
01:03 matey; hdmi
01:03 psydruid; there is a bug/feature with widevine drm in combination with browsers
01:03 matey; i havent tried using it as a tv because i dont own any tuners or blu-ray stuff
01:03 matey; actually i think i might have a blu-ray for a pc, ive never used it
01:03 psydruid; if you go full screen the screen becomes black
01:04 matey; there is a bug/feature with widevine drm <- i wont buy dvds (so far at least) that include widevine as an option
01:04 psydruid; unless you haven't maximized the window first
01:04 matey; not because of any other reason than
01:04 matey; i dont want to give money to the company offering it
01:04 matey; i used to get dvds at the library
01:04 matey; and a wife too
01:05 matey; met her at the library
01:05 psydruid; so that's how DRM messes things up for regular users who have no clue what is going on until it's too late
01:06 matey; i was surprised when i was able to download from peertube
01:06 matey; i wasnt expecting that
01:06 matey; i mean i didnt watch in the browser
01:07 activelow; matey> they didnt have to "source" any intel chips or z80 because they didnt have tech like that in 1969
01:07 activelow; earlier "CPU" were build from TTL7400 chips, similar to Gigatron TTL
01:07 matey; yeah
01:07 matey; like the original dec machines
01:07 matey; which were built from discrete transistors
01:07 activelow; nonetheless, were similar in design and capabilites of later Z80/i8086 who bundles this into a CPU package
01:08 matey; sure
01:08 activelow; somehow, "CPU" is a misnomer, because, it contains distinct parts
01:08 matey; and with people like sam zeloof working on homemade ics
01:09 matey; it should get a lot more interesting
01:09 matey; i mean he makes his own transistors!
01:09 matey; in a chip!
01:09 matey; its crazy
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01:09 matey; in his garage!
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01:10 activelow; he cannot produce RAM/ROM or sufficient amount of it, last time i read about it
01:10 matey; imagine going to thingiverse or something
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01:10 matey; and just downloading a chip that contains i dunno
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01:11 matey; he cannot produce RAM/ROM or sufficient amount of it, last time i read about it <- i mean, thats no big deal
01:11 matey; he can make a cpu
01:11 TR News; The dictator of EPOnia, Antnio Campinos, has lost grasp of reality and hes spinning Russias war against Ukraine to portray himself along with the cronies he brought in-house (to help the cover-up) as guardians of peace http://techrights.org/2022/04/30/shame-of-bavaria/
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01:11 activelow; the early systems had the same problem, amount of RAM/ROM, the BASIC paper tape, from Micro-Soft, was 4KiB or 8KiB total... impressive
01:11 matey; i mean you can buy ram
01:11 matey; until someone figures out how to make that too
01:12 matey; and i suppose clock speeds and refresh rates are a thing
01:12 matey; but there are so many cool workarounds there
01:12 matey; which (no matter what rms says about retrocomputing)
01:12 activelow; don't know how much RAM zeloof got, to load the Tiny BASIC paper tape... as an idea and cornerstone of such a project
01:13 matey; those workarounds could assist making new ram work with the newest (slower) homemade chips, maybe
01:13 matey; i think a lot of people want paper tape as a SECONDARY option, not the primary design
01:13 matey; paper tape is a pain to work with
01:14 matey; and its fucking SLOW
01:14 activelow; i think earlier computers used SRAM, not DRAM... and if zeloof can implement transistor logic for a 4004 CPU, he can too to have SRAM, however tiny the amount
01:14 activelow; SRAM was very expensive, still is
01:14 matey; they made sram in lower quantities im sure
01:14 matey; if they made it in similar quantities as dram maybe it would be cheaper-- this isnt my area of course
01:14 activelow; i think paper tape is still relevant... long term storage
01:15 matey; relevant? yes. practical? ...
01:15 matey; ...
01:15 matey; i mean, as for how practical it is
01:15 schestowitz-TR; [00:17] <matey> /me refers to claims of retiring soon made a year or two ago
01:15 activelow; matey: for decades computers used punched paper tapes
01:15 matey; loading baph os on paper tape would take how many hours?
01:15 schestowitz-TR; they judge by worth of house you live in
01:15 schestowitz-TR; we are in lowest band
01:15 matey; they judge by worth of house you live in <- wow, like counting the windows
01:15 matey; but makes sense
01:15 matey; for decades computers used punched paper tapes <- and loading things from paper tape is INCREDIBLY slow
01:16 activelow; don't think so, IBM too constructed paper tape readers, and those were fast enough
01:16 matey; like even in the 1950s, before a computer even spent time on your program-- they had ANOTHER MACHINE load all the punchcards onto magnetic tapes before the computer would even touch them
01:16 activelow; during US elections those were still used, until a few years ago
01:16 activelow; and, i might add, it's sad this technology isn't maintained anymore
01:17 matey; otherwise, the punchcards were so slow they would run the budget of the computer through the roof
01:17 matey; and in a week, maybe 1/10 of much computing would get done
01:17 matey; paper is SLOW
01:18 matey; its so slow it should have its own word
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01:18 matey; like i said, you load baph os from paper tape, itll take all day to boot
01:18 matey; even if the computer can load it in 30 seconds
01:18 matey; thats a hell of a bottleneck
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01:19 matey; don't think so, IBM too constructed paper tape readers, and those were fast enough <- i mean i can show you the footage. its archived
01:19 matey; this is why they invented timesharing
01:20 activelow; matey: how much time was required with the Altair 8800 to read the 4K/8K BASIC paper tape into SRAM?
01:20 matey; all the paper -> magtape business was too slow
01:20 activelow; i bet it wasn't much slower than a modern system with systemd booting
01:20 matey; the key being 4k/8k
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01:20 matey; how many "k" is baphos
01:21 activelow; roughly the size of a CDROM; yet that's not the question, because Baphos isn't tailored for an Altair 8800
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01:21 matey; but that is my point
01:21 matey; if paper tape is so practical...
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01:22 activelow; and it isn't relevant in the context the use case of punched cards and paper tapes
01:22 matey; youre stuck with programs like 4k/8k altair basic, because otherwise youre going to spend hours booting up
01:22 matey; if youre happy with altair basic as an os, you can do it all on paper tape
01:22 activelow; same with 9pin matrix printers, which i kept maintaining, those aren't slow if used as these were intended to (which asn't high resolution graphics)
01:23 matey; i had a 9pin matrix printer
01:23 matey; so i know what it was capable of
01:23 matey; i also had a very low end laser printer, which was a lot faster than the 9pin but
01:23 matey; slower than nearly anything i can find today
01:24 activelow; i said the altair 8800 and punched paper tape is still relevant, not only for projects such as the i4004 which zeloof builds
01:24 matey; and just to access it from the network i had to put it on a pentium iii :)
01:24 matey; i dont think the altair is the sort of thing zeloof intends to build up to
01:25 matey; right now the number of transistors hes putting on his chips is growing faster than moores law
01:25 matey; its catchup, so its not like he can keep performing like that
01:25 activelow; the altair was equipped with in i8080 already, the successor of the i4004
01:25 matey; i think maybe youre missing the point here
01:25 matey; or making a false assumption
01:26 matey; i dont think zeloof is trying to bring back 8 bit computing
01:26 matey; people already do that
01:26 matey; i dont think thats what leah is excited about either
01:27 matey; ive got nothing against 8 bit computer as an option
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01:27 matey; 8 bits very cool
01:27 matey; but this isnt just about retro computing, its about d-i-y computing, beyond 80s limitations
01:27 matey; thats the goal
01:27 activelow; the i4004 had a 4Bit ALU, the i8080 too iirc, with 8bit databus, and 16bit address space
01:28 activelow; so it isn't entirely clear, what you mean with 8bit computing
01:28 matey; its really simple. im talking about goals that are more modern than anythign in that entire era
01:28 matey; you insist on getting down to atomic details, okay
01:28 activelow; and the punched paper tapes are cool too, because those can be constructed relatively easy, in comparison to any ROM chip
01:28 matey; but thats why youre missing the point. it isnt about WHICH of those it is
01:28 matey; it isnt about ANY of those
01:28 psydruid; I think he is researching independent manufacture of free hardware in a home setting and I hope he will continue developing processes for being able to do that
01:28 matey; yes, punched paper tapes ARE super cool
01:29 matey; but not practical for most of our goals
01:29 matey; which require more speed
01:29 matey; and i think you overestimate the bandwidth paper tape is capable of
01:29 activelow; an 8K punched tape suffices for some "BIOS" type system, with a tiny shell and basic interpreter
01:30 matey; on an 8bit machine.
01:30 matey; yes
01:30 matey; we are going in circles now, maybe its time to respool the tape.
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01:32 *psydruid just wants to be able to produce a modern 32-bit or 64-bit chip using a sane instruction set
01:33 matey; how cool would that be
01:34 activelow; ^ sparc leon from Airbus
01:34 activelow; this chip too went to the ISS
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01:34 matey; yeah, but so did debian
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01:41 psydruid; Microsoft Braindead OS with the best ROI on braindeadism in the industry
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01:42 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/29/bumblee-malware-conti-malware/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/29/bumblee-malware-conti-malware/
01:42 TR Bot; Bumblebee malware loader emerges The Register
01:45 activelow; gn
01:48 schestowitz-TR; 0/
01:48 cameron1; hello schestowitz-TR
01:48 schestowitz-TR; hi cameron1
01:48 cameron1; Yes? schestowitz-TR
01:49 psydruid; Bumblebee <3 Optimus
01:49 schestowitz-TR; Bumblebee, IIRC, was the one with the machine gun
01:50 psydruid; yes
01:53 TR News; Paul Wise: FLOSS Activities April 2022 http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2022/05/01/floss-activities/
01:53 TR Bot; FLOSS Activities April 2022
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01:57 AdmFubar; https://www.repair.org/blog/2022/4/27/03kl2m5moyqurmstbvckhaoqi3btxq
01:57 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: repair.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.repair.org/blog/2022/4/27/03kl2m5moyqurmstbvckhaoqi3btxq https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.repair.org/blog/2022/4/27/03kl2m5moyqurmstbvckhaoqi3btxq
01:57 TR Bot; Apple's Big Fat Nothing Burger The Repair Association
01:58 MinceR; is a nothingburger like a cheeseburger, except with nothing in place of the cheese?
01:59 schestowitz-TR; nothing tastes like cheese
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 39.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 535.20
01:59 MinceR; :)
01:59 *MinceR eats a bit of nothing
01:59 TR News; Apple makes life harder, not earlier https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/invisible-files-and-apples-finder-tar-rsync-and-gnu-tar.2342670/
01:59 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: macrumors.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/invisible-files-and-apples-finder-tar-rsync-and-gnu-tar.2342670/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/invisible-files-and-apples-finder-tar-rsync-and-gnu-tar.2342670/
01:59 TR Bot; Invisible files and Apple's Finder, tar, rsync, and GNU tar | MacRumors Forums
02:01 TR News; SeaWorld is abusing animals. It now exploits this "Penguin World Day" (never a corporate stunt, right?) for PR BS https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/SEAWORLD-ENTERTAINMENT-I-13027344/news/SeaWorld-Entertainment-Celebrating-World-Penguin-Day-with-Eight-Species-of-Penguin-40144920/
02:01 TR Bot; Entertainment : Celebrating World Penguin Day with Eight Species of Penguin | MarketScreener
02:02 TR News; "Netatalk is an AFP (short for Apple Filing Protocol) open-source implementation that allows systems running *NIX/*BSD to act as AppleShare file servers (AFP) for macOS clients (i.e., to access files stored on Synology NAS devices)." https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/synology-warns-of-critical-netatalk-bugs-in-multiple-products/
02:02 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/synology-warns-of-critical-netatalk-bugs-in-multiple-products/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/synology-warns-of-critical-netatalk-bugs-in-multiple-products/
02:02 TR Bot; Synology warns of critical Netatalk bugs in multiple products
02:03 TR News; Fauci: pandemic over. Saner people: No, it ain't. https://www.kitsapsun.com/story/news/2022/04/27/bremerton-high-school-returning-remote-learning-after-covid-19-outbreak/9555366002/
02:03 TR Bot; Bremerton High returning to remote learning after COVID-19 outbreak
02:05 TR News; States like to conflate computer security with national security, where the latter requires a SABOTAGE of the former (to dominate all people via their devices)
02:07 TR News; New page: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/latest-videos/2022/April/ in HTTP: http://techrights.org/videos/index-April-2022.html
02:07 TR Bot; Techrights Videos - April 2022
02:09 TR News; Technical GulagTube used: Shit, Gulag is reducing my views by screwing with the algo!! Non-technical GulagTube used: My views are down, maybe I offended people, maybe I did something wrong, maybe I need to work harder or buy a newer or more expensive camera. Gulag tortures millions of people for billions of dollars. Get off this wagon. Same for Musk Social (Twitter). Stop being used!!
02:15 TR News; Spoiler: Techrights EPO series will show that EPO supports Lukashenko with funds
02:15 TR News; FCC Poised To Change Directional FM Tower Siting Rules. | Story | insideradio.com https://www.insideradio.com/free/fcc-poised-to-change-directional-fm-tower-siting-rules/article_0ba65e54-c78b-11ec-864d-971188f0bf89.html Source: insideradio
02:15 TR Bot; Poised To Change Directional FM Tower Siting Rules. | Story | insideradio.com
02:16 TR News; Musks Twitter deal stirs fears of abuse in Asia, Middle East | Al Arabiya English https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2022/04/29/Musk-s-Twitter-deal-stirs-fears-of-abuse-in-Asia-Middle-East "Elon Musks plan to acquire Twitter has alarmed human rights activists in Asia and the Middle East..."
02:16 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: alarabiya.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2022/04/29/Musk-s-Twitter-deal-stirs-fears-of-abuse-in-Asia-Middle-East https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2022/04/29/Musk-s-Twitter-deal-stirs-fears-of-abuse-in-Asia-Middle-East
02:16 TR Bot; Musks Twitter deal stirs fears of abuse in Asia, Middle East | Al Arabiya English
02:17 TR News; Platform for violence http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/
02:17 TR Bot; Twitter Profits From Conflict | Techrights
02:17 TR News; I'd like to know if there are good metric or measured by which to show that over the past week activity in Twitter has fallen
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02:19 TR News; Tim Anderson is STILL doing Microsoft propaganda! To him, Apple stuff is "compelling" if it runs... WINDOWS https://devclass.com/2022/04/25/asahi-linux-better-vm-support-apple-silicon/ see http://techrights.org/2008/11/09/bribe-for-vista-7-review/
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02:19 TR Bot; Apple M1 Macs get more compelling for developers
02:19 TR Bot; Tim Anderson Received Bribe for Vista 7 Review | Techrights
02:21 psydruid; Braindead Tim
02:21 TR News; LOL!!! Gulag removes GNU/Linux (Gentoo) feature, brings it back... INNOVATION!! "That's why we're so excited to see Google adding a nifty pinning feature to Chrome OS, bringing your most mundane multitasking desire to life: keeping a window on top." https://www.androidpolice.com/chromeos-always-on-top/
02:21 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: androidpolice.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.androidpolice.com/chromeos-always-on-top/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.androidpolice.com/chromeos-always-on-top/
02:21 TR Bot; Chrome OS is picking up an old-school feature to help level up your multitasking game
02:21 psydruid; wants to run Braindead OS
02:22 psydruid; Big Surprise
02:22 TR News; But social control media as a concept, itself, is a problem https://thenewstack.io/challenges-of-creating-a-decentralized-open-source-twitter/
02:22 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: thenewstack.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenewstack.io/challenges-of-creating-a-decentralized-open-source-twitter/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://thenewstack.io/challenges-of-creating-a-decentralized-open-source-twitter/
02:22 TR Bot; Challenges of Creating a Decentralized, Open Source Twitter The New Stack
02:24 TR News; Chainguard Enforce: Software Supply Chain Security for K8s - The New Stack https://thenewstack.io/chainguard-enforce-software-supply-chain-security-for-k8s/ Source: thenewstack
02:24 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: thenewstack.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenewstack.io/chainguard-enforce-software-supply-chain-security-for-k8s/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://thenewstack.io/chainguard-enforce-software-supply-chain-security-for-k8s/
02:24 TR Bot; Chainguard Enforce: Software Supply Chain Security for K8s The New Stack
02:24 TR News; Windows booster sob as Windows is dying https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/266336/care-about-windows-do-not-watch-this-video
02:24 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/266336/care-about-windows-do-not-watch-this-video )
02:24 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: thurrott.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/266336/care-about-windows-do-not-watch-this-video https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/266336/care-about-windows-do-not-watch-this-video
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02:30 TR News; Windows Has Never Been So Small | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/30/month-check-statcounter/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/30/month-check-statcounter/
02:30 TR Bot; Windows Has Never Been So Small | Techrights
02:32 TR News; Apple only third https://www.gsmarena.com/canalys_honor_was_the_top_smartphone_maker_in_china_in_q1_this_year-news-54141.php
02:32 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: gsmarena.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gsmarena.com/canalys_honor_was_the_top_smartphone_maker_in_china_in_q1_this_year-news-54141.php https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.gsmarena.com/canalys_honor_was_the_top_smartphone_maker_in_china_in_q1_this_year-news-54141.php
02:32 TR Bot; Honor was the top smartphone maker in China in Q1 this year - GSMArena.com news
02:33 MinceR; what's crApple doing on a list of smartphone makers?
02:33 MinceR; or vendors
02:34 TR News; PentaGAFAM or Silicon Valley became a military (budget) dick-sucking competition. They don't even need to be profitable, it's just graft. Spy for the plutocrats, oppress the population, keep people down.
02:34 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: apple invented the smartphone
02:34 schestowitz-TR; putting a word in front of "phone"
02:35 MinceR; lol
02:35 TR News; Matt Asay is a corporate troll, now working (shilling) for Bezos https://www.infoworld.com/article/3658394/the-emerging-risks-of-open-source.html
02:35 TR Bot; emerging risks of open source | InfoWorld
02:37 TR News; Hey, SolarWinds is NOT open source! https://blogs.grammatech.com/software-supply-chain-security-terminology
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02:37 TR Bot; Software Supply Chain Security Terminology
02:38 TR News; The term "supply chain" is typically used as a FUD carrier for Microsoft and friends, to deamonise the victims when Microsoft transmits malware (e.g. ShitHub/NPM).
02:38 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-300422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-300422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-300422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-300422.txt
02:38 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 30, 2022
02:39 TR News; Proprietary software is dangerous and malicious. You don't know what you're getting and what may happen next. https://wptavern.com/memberpress-plugin-is-locking-users-out-after-support-license-expires
02:39 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: wptavern.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://wptavern.com/memberpress-plugin-is-locking-users-out-after-support-license-expires https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://wptavern.com/memberpress-plugin-is-locking-users-out-after-support-license-expires
02:39 TR Bot; MemberPress Plugin Is Locking Users Out After Support License Expires WP Tavern
02:39 TR News; Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-300422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-300422.txt
02:39 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 30, 2022
02:40 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-300422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-300422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-300422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-300422.txt
02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 30, 2022
02:41 TR News; Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-300422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-300422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-300422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-300422.txt
02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 30, 2022
02:41 TR News; World Malaria Day 2022. Someone should hand over a CHILD to Bill Gates.... for photo ops. https://english.jagran.com/lifestyle/world-malaria-day-2022-check-out-history-significance-and-theme-of-this-day-10042477
02:41 TR Bot; World Malaria Day 2022: Know history, significance and theme of this day
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02:44 TR News; German Volla Phone 22: No Google on Privacy-Focused Phone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163909#comment-33507
02:44 TR Bot; Volla Phone 22 runs Ubuntu Touch or a privacy-focused Android fork... or both (crowdfunding) | Tux Machines
02:44 TR News; Greenwashing as a skill? You mean marketing? https://cleantechnica.com/2022/04/25/the-demand-for-green-skills-is-growing-globally/
02:44 TR Bot; Demand For Green Skills Is Growing Globally - CleanTechnica
02:45 TR News; Proprietary piece of garbage https://www.techradar.com/news/macos-server-has-been-killed-off-at-last
02:45 TR Bot; Server has been killed off at last | TechRadar
02:45 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-04-30.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-04-30.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
02:55 TR News; Glyn Moody now records his poetry as audio https://glanglish.blogspot.com/2021/05/thoughts-for-your-pennies.html
02:55 TR Bot; Glanglish: Thoughts for your pennies
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 361.70
03:06 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 23660 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40397 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 2 months 21 days ago
03:07 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 28 GB TotalOut: 6.0 GB
03:08 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:10 IPFS; QmNYYAtNrZGSDgN96vbFkZNpzAhfBHT7jiw6ETUGeaiNLT
03:10 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:18 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164348
03:18 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
03:32 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I found a bunch of books at the thrift store for 70 cents each.
03:32 DaemonFC; Everyone wants "Kindle" now.
03:53 schestowitz-TR; too bad
03:53 schestowitz-TR; (if true)
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 37.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 421.76
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04:06 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, April 30, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
04:06 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
04:06 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:06 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
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04:39 TR News; "Before computers had the hardware for 3D games, some games still managed a 3D view on a limited scale in dungeon crawlers." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/crawl-through-dungeons-hack-computers-or-explore-an-undersea-base-dungeon-crawler-jam/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
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04:39 TR News; "Valve released another set of Steam Deck upgrades and it includes updates for both the Stable and Beta branches." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-updates-out-for-stable-and-beta-better-refresh-rate-switching/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
04:39 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-updates-out-for-stable-and-beta-better-refresh-rate-switching/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-updates-out-for-stable-and-beta-better-refresh-rate-switching/
04:39 TR Bot; through dungeons, hack computers, or explore an undersea base: Dungeon Crawler Jam | GamingOnLinux
04:39 TR Bot; Deck updates out for Stable and Beta, better Refresh Rate Switching | GamingOnLinux
04:41 TR News; "Composer is a dependency manager tool for PHP especially designed to install and update project dependencies." https://www.linuxcloudvps.com/blog/how-to-install-and-use-php-composer-on-ubuntu-20-04/
04:41 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxcloudvps.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linuxcloudvps.com/blog/how-to-install-and-use-php-composer-on-ubuntu-20-04/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.linuxcloudvps.com/blog/how-to-install-and-use-php-composer-on-ubuntu-20-04/
04:41 TR Bot; to Install and Use PHP Composer on Ubuntu 20.04 | LinuxCloudVPS Blog
04:41 TR News; "The GW-01 protocol conversion gateway features the ARM Cortex-A8 (up to 1 GHz) CPU." https://linuxgizmos.com/novakon-new-din-rail-protocol-conversion-gateway-features-ti-sitara-arm-processor/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
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04:41 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/novakon-new-din-rail-protocol-conversion-gateway-features-ti-sitara-arm-processor/ )
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04:43 TR News; So-called "IoT" https://staceyoniot.com/iot-news-of-the-week-for-april-29-2022/ | Source: Stacy on IoT
04:43 TR Bot; IoT news of the week for April 29, 2022 - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
04:44 TR News; "I've received some comments from readers asking me about my distribution choices" https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2022/04/29/bsd/ | Source: Rachel
04:44 TR Bot; Paying a visit to planet BSD
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04:44 TR News; Mozilla as data collector or broker in charity ("foundation") clothing https://www.neowin.net/news/mozilla039s-open-source-speech-data-project-common-voice-now-has-20000-hours-of-content/ | Source: Neowin
04:44 TR Bot; Mozilla's open-source speech data project, Common Voice, now has 20,000 hours of content - Neowin
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06:26 psydruid; Mozilla as a surveillance company
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06:36 matey; mjg is actually doing one thing that is one of the most rewarding things there is
06:37 matey; which is teaching
06:37 matey; the cool thing about teaching is that anybody can do it (not everyone is a great teacher, but anybody can do it)
06:38 matey; its sharing knowledge, but more than that
06:38 matey; its helping people understand things
06:39 matey; one aspect of this which any good librarian is good at, is helping people find the information that will help them the most
06:39 matey; i mean people can look stuff up online, but they dont always know what to look for
06:39 matey; librarians are good at that. so are good teachers
06:40 matey; if you get to know someone well enough, you can point them in the right direction in a number of ways
06:40 matey; so its not just about sharing knowledge, but having knowledge to share (anybody can give someone a url obviously)
06:41 matey; sometimes its about weighing options and making recommendations
06:41 matey; of course this isnt the kind of teaching where you have a set curriculum and are expected to spoonfeed it to people
06:42 matey; if you dont have the overhead of a formal uni setting for example, tutoring is relatively free-- what matters then is very different (to a degree)
06:43 matey; if the system is failing someone in some way, tutoring is a great way around that
06:44 matey; but there are even more opportunities than just formal teaching and tutoring
06:44 matey; everybody meets people looking for some kind of information / knowledge
06:45 matey; if you prepare yourself more for that, if you learn more about how to provide that
06:45 matey; thats the kind of teaching anyone can do-- just like with anything else, cooking, coding, whatever, its about practice and trying things out
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06:46 matey; society used to have a lot more of that, when teaching was less of a product and more of a way of life
06:46 matey; its not completely phased out, and anywhere you see d-i-y anything theres opportunities there
06:46 matey; its something the fsf really dropped the ball with too
06:47 matey; the fsf made good strides with books at least
06:47 matey; they made good strides with books. i think they could have done a lot more in terms of tutorials
06:47 matey; really not sure why they didnt
06:47 matey; some people grab a tutorial and they learn what they need to know
06:48 matey; other people pick up a tutorial, get either confused or overwhelmed (or its the wrong tutorial for their needs) and give up
06:48 matey; thats an opportunity for teaching
06:48 matey; but more people can do tutorials than books-- of course a lot of books are crap, a lot of tutorials are crap
06:49 matey; nothing you can do about that. make a better one
06:49 matey; but teaching is a lot like a live, interactive tutorial
06:50 matey; the more people do that, the smarter the world will be (maybe. i admit this one is a long shot)
06:51 matey; i mean, its good to write software, contribute to software, without this, teaching software is-- teaching what? without people writing software it doesnt exist
06:51 matey; teaching is one of the best opportunities to spread software and knowledge of software. thats why microsoft took over schools.
06:51 matey; free (subsidised) marketing
06:53 matey; i taught someone how to use gcc recently. admittedly its not something i know much about myself
06:53 matey; i prefer to teach what i know
06:54 matey; but it put them ahead just a little, because a little while later they were required to use it, and already had some familiarity and comfort with it
06:54 matey; so even little pushes liks that can make a bit of a difference
06:54 matey; and at the time i didnt even know what beast llvm was
06:55 matey; but even if ibm gcc shouldnt be ibm gcc
06:55 matey; just as openbsd is more forkable than gnu, i think its likely that ibm gcc is more forkable than microsoft llvm
06:56 matey; but we will see. maybe someone will make a less beastly llvm (i wouldnt know how, so i dont know if its possible or not)
06:56 matey; the bootstrap requirements for llvm are fucking nuts
06:56 matey; i cant even believe them
06:57 matey; gcc is nuts too, but it seems less so by an order of magnitude
06:58 matey; i like the idea of being able to compile an os with tinycc
06:58 matey; even though it probably makes way more sense to compile it with gcc
06:59 matey; the option seems worthwhile
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06:59 matey; the option has its own advantages
07:00 matey; for example, you wont learn much about compiling from using a reproducible build, unless you go to all the trouble of creating one
07:00 matey; im not knocking the idea itself
07:00 matey; with something like tinycc, if that were an option, you could learn how to compile an entire os. on a cheaper hardware.
07:00 matey; that sounds like a great option to me
07:01 matey; then, IF you ever decide to build an entire os using something like gcc, which is more optimised, youve already got the experience of building an entire os.
07:02 matey; and maybe people downplay the optimisation of tcc vs default gcc settings, i dont know about that
07:02 matey; imo, everyone should consider devoting SOME time to teaching if possible
07:02 matey; its great to have knowledge, to accumulate knowledge, to APPLY it
07:03 matey; and if you share the software you make, thats also helpful
07:03 matey; then if on top of that, you devote SOME time to teaching-- even a little
07:03 matey; thats REALLY good
07:03 matey; it doesnt always mean getting a job, sometimes it just means writing something or helping someone
07:04 matey; but its something on top of creating software or simply applying knowledge
07:05 matey; plus, people can use something like gnu/linux but ive met people who learned how to code, and still find the command line intimidating
07:05 matey; to me thats backwards
07:05 matey; the command line should be LESS intimidating than coding, because to being with, its just a way to run a program
07:06 matey; you type the name, theres even autocomplete, typing the name of the program runs the program.
07:06 matey; thats too fucking simple. anybody can understand that. nobody needs to be intimidated
07:06 matey; from there, maybe you show them a parameter or "switch" or "option"
07:06 matey; already this is incredibly valuable
07:07 matey; and oops, now theyre less intimidated by the command line
07:07 matey; but people get some distro that tells them YOU WONT NEED THE COMMAND LINE!
07:07 matey; and theyre like, thats a reasonable thing to want, i dont ever want to have to bother with th-- why?
07:07 matey; its not that bad
07:08 matey; but if no one ever shows them that, a lot of people wont know
07:08 matey; so you can actually undo some ignorance that way
07:08 matey; and thats a huge help
07:08 matey; replace more ignorant expectations with more reasonable (less self-defeating) expectations
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07:09 matey; and if youre good at it, or get good at it-- you can also help instill (a reasonable level of) confidence
07:09 matey; which is something that helps someone for a lifetime
07:10 matey; but its another area where even a little push in the right direction can make a huge difference
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07:10 matey; at one point, honestly, ubuntu and puppy were more like this
07:11 matey; eventually it becomes a big pissing match and the idiots take over, that happens
07:11 matey; so having a single community that does this isnt a good plan long-term
07:11 matey; rather than a single community, or one school, or something like codecademy
07:12 matey; which is always going to be a single point of failure
07:13 matey; its better to just increase the number of people in the world who have this as an interest, and maybe a habit
07:13 matey; then they will be everywhere
07:13 matey; single points of failure wont be an issue then
07:13 matey; its amazing the fsf didnt talk about this
07:13 matey; it would have made them twice as resilient
07:14 matey; im sure they touched on the topic slightly now and then
07:14 matey; its clearly not a big part of their mission
07:14 matey; they always expected other groups to take care of this
07:14 matey; ok, but they could have talked about it more.
07:14 matey; they never focused enough on teaching
07:15 matey; but they did create some books though, thats far better than nothing
07:15 matey; it didnt accomplish what it could have if theyd gone farther beyond that
07:15 matey; they let their enemies have that to themselves
07:16 matey; strategically missed opportunities
07:16 matey; sell the idea of free software to schools, theyre the experts on edu-- no theyre not
07:16 matey; lots of schools suck. its a broken system
07:17 matey; schools have been slaves to microsoft since the 90s if not sooner
07:17 matey; if not sooner only because apple was very keen on getting there first
07:18 matey; microsoft was for business, apple was for education. i hated apple, i had a better machine at home (and the commercials were condescending as fuck. they were shrewed and targeted idiots)
07:18 matey; great marketing. except it provided a lot of the ignorance along the lines of the self-defeating "IT JUST WORKS" expectations i mentioned the merit of undoing earlier
07:19 matey; it created terrible expectations. and later, microsoft would get wise to that, and do exactly the same
07:19 matey; making windows into windows for dummies
07:19 matey; then windows for computer repair shops :)
07:19 matey; but never windows for users
07:20 matey; apple started with bsd, but if you look at what they do to it, they built a metropolis of bullshit on top of it
07:21 matey; then they dug in and-- i mean if you go to single user mode, theres still infiltration of crapple bullshit underneath the gui
07:21 matey; it just seeps into the foundation
07:21 matey; but thats stuff they added, then they removed whatever was in its place-- a bit like the systemdification of gnu/linux
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07:22 matey; in a real bsd or even a reasonable gnu/linux systemd, you only need a simple dhcp tool like dhcpcd or dhclient (maybe) to get the thing onto the network (if its wired)
07:23 matey; i seem to recall it taking a lot more than that (several ridiculous steps) to get that in single user mode on a mac
07:23 matey; its not hard to look up and confirm this though, if im not mistaken
07:24 matey; since a mac is non-free, who cares, get a free system
07:24 matey; the only way that it matters is that industry sets bad examples, whether free or not
07:25 matey; and free software copies them later (systemd. gnome. mozilla)
07:25 matey; so the fact that non-free software has stupid designs, and people dont know more about alternatives, means later it will be easier for gnome or poettering or mozilla to saddle people with crap, even with a free license slapped on
07:26 matey; i mean in the golden years of free software, we actually talked about how shitty windows was
07:26 matey; and there was a point in doing that
07:26 matey; when open source taught us to not care about that, and stallman told us not to talk about it
07:26 matey; dont lets be beastly to microsoft
07:27 matey; we lost valuable teaching moments-- and all such teaching was slandered as hate, neckbeardism and even promoting non-free software
07:27 matey; strategic missed opportunities
07:28 matey; go and give a talk about this at lieplanet
07:28 matey; oh, good luck
07:28 matey; lieplanet bows to corporate control of the culture
07:28 matey; then it spends a lot of time pretending to be revolutionary
07:28 matey; theres words for that
07:29 matey; controlled opposition, doublespeak
07:29 matey; but sometimes they say good things!
07:29 matey; yeah, thats the whole fucking point of doublespeak
07:30 matey; like if you murder hundreds of thousands of people, then say youre liberating them.
07:30 matey; oh well, if it liberates them, i guess killing civilians is okay
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07:30 matey; oh, if they say some good things, i suppose surgically removing freedom from a movement entirely about freedom is ok
07:31 matey; its about the higher good blah blah blah ie corporate control. what? just go with it. (or else)
07:31 matey; #techrights : 05/01/22 06:10 <matey> at one point, honestly, ubuntu and puppy were more like this
07:31 matey; #techrights : 05/01/22 06:11 <matey> eventually it becomes a big pissing match and the idiots take over, that happens
07:31 matey; happened to lieplanet
07:32 matey; even if you see a good talk there
07:32 matey; its like a good teacher in a broken system
07:32 matey; an unbroken system would let a good teacher accomplish so much more
07:32 matey; instead they have to fight constantly, its wasted energy
07:33 matey; like writing a free installer for windows-- maybe it has merit
07:33 matey; but what would be better still is NOT USING WINDOWS
07:33 matey; a good teacher in a broken school system is probably a good thing
07:33 matey; but NOT having a broken system is even better
07:33 matey; a good talk at lieplanet may be a good thing
07:33 matey; but NOT having a bullshit corrupt organisation would be even better
07:34 matey; by an order of magnitude
07:34 matey; we should be trying to end windows
07:35 matey; and end broken systems
07:35 matey; and end corruption, not only trying to sneak good things into these things (sometimes the latter is worth doing of course)
07:35 matey; with teaching, you can sometimes do more outside the system
07:36 matey; with lieplanet, you can do WAY MORE outside the system
07:36 matey; lieplanet is a fucking gulag
07:37 matey; its amazing the amount of trouble they go to, for scraps
07:37 matey; people could be talking like that (even better) all yeaer
07:37 matey; but free software has so little to say these days
07:37 matey; since it became open source
07:38 matey; 1 part freedom, two parts bullshit, three parts self-defeating changes in strategy
07:38 matey; just keep the part about freedom and to hell with the rest of it
07:39 matey; keep the parts of gnu that serve freedom, and to hell with the rest of it
07:39 matey; good luck with that too
07:39 matey; there will be more free software, somewhere
07:39 matey; maybe this time they can get education right too
07:39 matey; instead of expecting schools to teach free software, when the purpose of schools isnt to make people free, but to make them into consumers and corporate serfs
07:40 matey; some teach free software, but more teach windows and mac.
07:40 matey; they teach whatsapp and gmail.
07:40 matey; they teach android and normalise mass surveillance.
07:41 matey; then we wonder why free software is failing. because strategically its gotten fucking stupid
07:41 matey; and you have to suck up to microsoft and liars and corrupt people all at once
07:41 matey; just keep the part about freedom and to hell with the rest of it
07:42 matey; you can expect people to do that, the only ones that matter are going to do exactly that
07:42 matey; the rest can go to hell
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08:11 mjg59_; matey: It's rewarding, but I find teaching stressful - there's a lot of fear about letting students down
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08:17 matey; there's a lot of fear about letting students down <- well, if it helps
08:17 matey; and this is going to sound like sarcasm, but its from the heart
08:17 matey; chances are, the worst thing youll ever do, youve already done
08:17 matey; so bright future?
08:18 matey; i mean, the futures up to you (sort of)
08:18 matey; sort of because, obviously no one has full control of destiny. but they have a lot of control over the choices they have
08:19 matey; when i was younger, i thought i could never work on (other peoples) computers
08:20 matey; because i couldnt bear the idea of giving back someone their machine and saying "im sorry, there wasnt anything i could do"
08:20 matey; i mean i was that sentimental and perfectionist about the idea
08:20 matey; i either had to get everything right! like some kind of world class surgeon
08:20 matey; or not bother
08:21 matey; to be fair, i was fresh out of my teens. but still i find it charming to think how naive that was
08:21 matey; all the best people fuck up, but my favourite version of this is
08:22 matey; "only a mediocre [person] is always at [their] best"
08:22 matey; the original version of the quote is fine, here i find the pronoun distracting
08:23 matey; it was originally man/his and this of course, applies to completely everyone
08:23 mjg59_; Yeah I already got an award for being one of the best teachers on the course
08:24 mjg59_; So I really should feel like it's ok now
08:24 matey; awards are distracting too
08:24 matey; i mean theres nothing wrong with them
08:24 mjg59_; But it's security and it's operating systems so it's a constantly evolving field
08:24 matey; im sure youll find theres never a better reward than hearing from a student that you helped in some way
08:24 mjg59_; And I don't want to end up teaching them shit that's 10 years out of date
08:24 matey; sometimes 10 years out of date is better
08:25 matey; sometimes something new is an improvement
08:25 mjg59_; Eh in this case not so much
08:25 mjg59_; I'm not teaching them about tools, more about what actually exists and what they need to worry about
08:25 matey; i mean, security updates still exist for a good reason.
08:25 matey; and what they need to worry about <- ah, well here theres another rule to consider
08:25 matey; one you already know
08:26 matey; what you need to worry about is a matter of your... what is it, threat model?
08:26 matey; i mean i have absolutely no security against flying zebras with lasers attached to their foreheads
08:27 matey; if someone sends flying zebras with lasers attached to their foreheads, lets face it, im fucked
08:27 matey; its simply something i have no preparation for
08:28 matey; the good news is that (touch wood) such an attack is VERY unlikely. some comfort there
08:28 matey; whether youre preparing them for an security compromise, or simply for the future
08:28 matey; it depends on the threat model, right?
08:28 mjg59_; It's more "Don't worry about these things unless you're in a weird place, it's a solved problem otherwise"
08:28 matey; yeah
08:29 matey; so you might be worried about (basically) nothing there
08:29 mjg59_; Like from an OS perspective, these days all your passwords are decently salted and you don't need to worry much about offline cracking
08:29 matey; the best thing you can teach them is how to fill the gaps in their own knowledge
08:29 mjg59_; That's a big part of it, but not all of it
08:29 matey; teach them how to self teach. but obviously this is glib advice without trying to give them the essentials
08:30 mjg59_; The other part is to recognise that their users are humans and their motivations are rational
08:30 matey; and you don't need to worry much about offline cracking <- thats cool, i didnt even know that
08:30 mjg59_; A security policy that prevents users from getting their work done ends up with people violating polocy
08:30 matey; yes!
08:30 mjg59_; Security needs to understand users, not just impose restrictions on them
08:30 matey; hence pledge (which takes this into account, whether or not its the greatest security feauture eveR)
08:31 mjg59_; Otherwise you end up in a less secure situation
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08:31 mjg59_; So yeah I try to teach them that as well
08:31 matey; yeah, i mean you can put a lock on a fridge if youre dieting
08:31 matey; but its sort of moot if you have the key, youre just going to open the lock and get in
08:32 mjg59_; Good analogy
08:33 mjg59_; So people end up doing stuff like sharing scripts that automate disk encryption unlock with a fixed password because they need their workstations to reboot after power cuts
08:33 matey; heh
08:33 mjg59_; Which means the encryption is pointless, but if you don't know that's happening then everything looks secure
08:33 matey; not to change the subject but what do you think of pledge incidentally? i bring it up because it works so well from THIS perspective (the one we are talking about) but other than that...
08:33 matey; ive heard its not bad
08:34 mjg59_; There's ways to solve this that retain security without breaking their ability to use their computers, but you'll never know you need to do that unless people tell you they're doing the less secure thing
08:34 mjg59_; pledge() is great if you control the entire OS stack
08:34 mjg59_; It could never work on Linux
08:34 matey; fair enough
08:34 mjg59_; Because it works on system calls, and applications make library calls
08:34 mjg59_; And updating a library might result in it making different system calls
08:35 matey; couldnt you... um...
08:35 matey; couldnt you still put pledge at the layer between the library and the kernel
08:35 matey; and then write the policy there
08:35 mjg59_; Kernel has no idea what library calls are being made
08:35 mjg59_; That's all in userland
08:35 matey; oh right
08:36 matey; now i get it
08:36 matey; maybe
08:36 matey; at least it makes sense
08:36 mjg59_; You could implement pledge() using the BPF LSM
08:36 matey; i think it would be harder to sell from a cultural standpoint
08:36 mjg59_; But glibc might get updated and use a different system call in response to the same library call
08:36 mjg59_; And then your existing policy might break
08:37 matey; and then people would still be like
08:37 matey; "why am i enabling something that makes things less stable"
08:37 matey; and for openbsd, people know why
08:37 matey; but for "linux" people are like "no, just make it work!"
08:37 matey; so it breaks less things than some strict policies
08:37 matey; but dammit it still breaks stuff
08:38 mjg59_; Having userland and kernel maintained by the same people gives some advantages
08:38 matey; theres less culture of "leave that on, it will save you later" in the "linux" workd
08:38 matey; Having userland and kernel maintained by the same people gives some advantages <- yeah, i love that its even possible
08:38 mjg59_; So yeah pledge() isn't impossible in Linux from a technical perspective, but the social perspective just isn't going to work
08:38 matey; i figure thats probably true. you have to want such a thing first.
08:39 matey; see the merit in it
08:39 matey; otherwise its just "my browser crases a bit more often"
08:39 matey; "fix it"
08:42 mjg59_; Instead we have browsers imposing their own seccomp policies
08:42 mjg59_; Which encourages static linking, because otherwise a dependency might get updated and break that policy
08:42 mjg59_; There's no easy solution
08:43 matey; i mean, if browsers werent expected to do half of what an os does (by count, or by sheer size of codebase)
08:43 matey; maybe we could have more than basically two of them.
08:44 matey; and then implement a reasonable policy on ONE of them, and pretend the others dont exist.
08:44 matey; id love it if browsers were less complicated
08:44 matey; but the web has made that sort of hopeless
08:45 matey; we are far, far past the level of complexity i could ever want from any website
08:45 matey; there should be more tiers of feature than one
08:46 matey; like what wap did, for its own reasons
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08:46 matey; you should be able to say something like
08:46 matey; i only bother with tier 2 websites and smaller
08:46 matey; i never enable tier 1
08:46 matey; and then all the BULLSHIT that the web does now
08:46 mjg59_; Microsoft had some level of that in IE at one point
08:46 matey; put that in
08:47 matey; yeah, i was going to say
08:47 mjg59_; Like, "Don't enable ActiveX unless I trust this site"
08:47 matey; its funny, because ie actually sort of had this
08:47 matey; yeah but that was still a policy
08:47 matey; i mean built into the web standard itself
08:47 matey; because the standard is (imo) the real problem here
08:47 matey; whats great about having that in the standard is
08:48 matey; you could make a browser that didnt even IMPLEMENT the most bullshit tier
08:48 matey; it would only implement one lighter tier, or two
08:48 matey; but it would also be a sort of security feature
08:48 matey; alex limi of course, has a very different view
08:48 matey; being able to turn off js breaks the web!
08:48 matey; its bad for business! so he removed the turn off js checkbox.
08:49 matey; AND the turn off images checkbox. about:config should be good enough for anybody!
08:49 matey; thanks, alex.
08:49 matey; this happened more than a decade ago. people are like "wow, you know his NAME"
08:49 matey; yeah. because i hate him.
08:49 matey; granted ive probably only mentioned him twice in 5 years.
08:50 matey; also, if it were built into the standard
08:50 matey; you could have a more user-friendly version of something like umatrix
08:50 matey; i mean umatrix is awesome
08:50 matey; should be builtin to every browser
08:51 matey; it crashes and you have to disable and reenable it :/
08:51 matey; or restart the browser, which is less convenient
08:51 matey; but you could have something like noscript for the tier
08:51 matey; per-website
08:51 matey; but again :) ie had that
08:51 matey; and i feel very silly advocating it for that reason
08:52 matey; but it would be better if it were in the standard
08:52 matey; never happen anyway
08:52 mjg59_; figuring out a good way to have a global policy that handles that sort of thing is hard
08:52 mjg59_; But also I'm going to go and fall asleep now
08:52 matey; agreed
08:52 matey; o/
08:53 mjg59_; But yeah your argument here is good
08:53 mjg59_; Reducing exposure would make a lot of things safer
08:53 matey; useless for most people unless you change the culture
08:53 matey; but not useless for people who know better
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08:59 matey; i dont hate limi for removing the checkbox
08:59 matey; i hate him for writing this piece of utter bullshit to justify it https://limi.net/checkboxes
08:59 TR Bot; Checkboxes that kill your product
09:00 matey; the lie was the bigger crime
09:00 matey; similarly, im not mad at stallman for using no-derivs
09:02 matey; this part isnt what really pisses me off This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-No Derivative Works 3.0 license (or later version)
09:02 matey; THIS part is what really fucks me off Why this license? https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#OpinionLicenses
09:02 TR Bot; Various Licenses and Comments about Them - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
09:02 matey; i stopped giving them money over that
09:03 matey; because thats how stupid and destrutive that dumb shit is
09:03 matey; just a huge, ignorant, double standard "fuck you" to free culture
09:03 matey; i guarantee, a lot of people who signed the damned letter did it because the fsf shit all over the free culture movement
09:03 matey; it still wasnt right
09:03 matey; but its to be expected
09:04 matey; the fsf made enemies there
09:04 matey; with their utter stupidity about the issue
09:04 matey; and they say oh, thats not what we do
09:04 matey; right, if thats not what you do, shut the fuck up then.
09:05 matey; if youre going to argue AGAINST free culture, based on nonsense, then thats part of your "advocacy"
09:05 matey; its right on your website. this isnt some "bad tweet" off somewhere else on the web
09:05 matey; its something the fsf advocates
09:05 matey; but then they do the exact opposite elsewhere.
09:05 matey; because clearly, there is an internal struggle on the issue
09:06 matey; and this is something rms fucked up. badly.
09:06 matey; id say of his biggest mistakes, its one of the three.
09:06 matey; his position on hardware will probably eclipse it, if it hasnt already.
09:07 matey; but i think thats probably going to matter more in the future
09:07 novelist; Linux is running on your lightbulbs!
09:07 matey; rofl
09:07 matey; oh, god
09:08 novelist; says Matthew Miller
09:08 matey; but rms is like i dont want to make lightbulbs
09:08 matey; then he goes and says, free software is important even if you dont code-- which is true
09:08 matey; for EXACTLY THE SAME REASON it doesnt fucking matter if you want to make lightbulbs or not
09:08 matey; i mean, theres really a parallel universe somewhere
09:09 matey; where the arguments he makes about software apply to other things too.
09:09 matey; but NOT THIS ONE! i guess?
09:09 matey; yes, i understand the difference between hardware and software, in practical terms
09:09 matey; like just copying hardware isnt nearly as trivial as copying software
09:09 novelist; https://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-fedora-project-matthew-miller/
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09:09 matey; it costs a lot more to make ONE copy of hardware vs ONE copy of software
09:10 matey; but
09:10 matey; the differences are getting smaller, not larger
09:10 matey; and hes making a lot of differences that are getting smaller
09:10 matey; the difference between software and cultural works exists too-- from a copyright law standpoint theres a difference
09:11 matey; but he made too much of that too
09:11 matey; thats why hes at odds with free culture
09:11 matey; my lightbulbs are dumb, not smart
09:11 TR News; FuguIta 7.1, based on OpenBSD, is out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164352 http://fuguita.org/
09:11 TR Bot; FuguIta 7.1, based on OpenBSD, is out | Tux Machines
09:11 TR Bot; FuguIta - Welcome
09:12 matey; but i might go for smarter bulbs if they were free hardware and
09:12 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164349
09:12 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:12 TR News; myPalletizer 4 axis robot arm available in M5 Stack & Raspberry Pi 4 models Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164350
09:12 TR Bot; myPalletizer 4 axis robot arm available in M5 Stack & Raspberry Pi 4 models | Tux Machines
09:12 matey; maybe this provided a setting that made them last 2x as long? hell yes
09:12 TR News; #HowTo Install Classic GNOME Flashback in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164351
09:12 TR Bot; How to Install Classic GNOME Flashback in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
09:12 TR News; FuguIta 7.1, based on OpenBSD, is out Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164352
09:13 matey; or maybe if lightbulbs were free hardware, you coudl REPAIR them
09:13 matey; instead of getting a bulb that has all that electronic shit plus the part that burns out faster
09:13 matey; (this is half true, sometimes the electronics go first)
09:13 matey; maybe you could get the part that burns out faster and replace it
09:13 matey; saving money and creating less ewaste
09:14 novelist; lightbulb networks
09:14 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, April 30, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/irc-log-300422/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/irc-log-300422/
09:14 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, April 30, 2022 | Techrights
09:14 matey; i dont want a lot of features in my bulbs
09:14 matey; but thats just another reason free hardware matters.
09:14 matey; because if i need a phone (and id rather not)
09:14 matey; i want a phone with AS FEW FEATURES as possible
09:14 matey; not a smartphone
09:15 matey; and flipphones are really just fucking disappearing from the market now
09:15 matey; free hardware could do somethign about that.
09:15 matey; so people who are like-- you dont need all those features in a lightbulb
09:15 matey; theyre missing the point
09:15 matey; free hardware means you can have fewer features too, not just more
09:15 matey; free software used to mean that too :) but the fsf fucked that up as well
09:16 matey; they forgot to write freedom 4, the freedom to NOT run the software
09:16 matey; so eventually every application becomes a fucking operating system
09:17 matey; and every application becomes mandatory
09:17 matey; and the only way to have freedom is to say fuck it and start with a new os
09:17 matey; oops?
09:17 matey; i mean if some arsehole can just add several millions of line of code to something every year
09:18 matey; how the fuck does freedom 3 apply? theyre simulating proprietary software under a free license
09:18 matey; and theyre PROUD of it, they gloat
09:18 matey; gnome gloats that you have no choice
09:18 matey; fuck them
09:18 matey; these devs say linux isnt about choice!
09:19 matey; good, to hell with linux then
09:19 matey; throw it in a fire
09:19 matey; gnome can go too
09:19 matey; when devs start gloating that you have no choice, they need to go
09:20 novelist; you allways have a choice
09:20 matey; fsvo choice
09:20 matey; some devs really get off on reducing your choices
09:20 matey; on making people more depedent
09:20 matey; dependent
09:20 matey; thats nothing to do with freedom
09:20 matey; they need to go
09:20 matey; theyre not helping, theyre the problem
09:21 matey; theres no such thing as perfect modularity either-- but theres a reasonable level of it
09:21 matey; some people sabotage that
09:21 matey; they need to go
09:21 matey; these arent isolated incidents or innocent mistakes, theyre well known trends lasting years or more
09:21 matey; again, devs gloat about this
09:22 matey; the best thing they can do is stop writing software
09:22 matey; that would help a lot
09:22 novelist; ibm doesnt even makes computers anymore
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09:23 matey; hi barto
09:23 barto; greetings
09:23 cameron1; Hi barto
09:23 schestowitz; hi barto
09:24 TR News; "Theres a pattern that emerged in software some time ago" https://davmac.wordpress.com/2022/04/30/forgetting-about-the-problem-of-memory/ | Source: Software Is Crap
09:24 TR Bot; Forgetting about the problem of memory Software is Crap
09:24 TR News; "Someone asked me what the byte sequence is for an infinite loop in x86 machine code" https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/04/30/quickpost-machine-code-infinite-loop/ | Source: Didier Stevens
09:24 TR Bot; Quickpost: Machine Code Infinite Loop | Didier Stevens
09:24 TR News; "You want to run a query over multiple tables in your database / warehouse and then process and visualise" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/iterating-over-multiple-database-tables-with-r/ | Source: Rlang
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09:25 TR Bot; over multiple database tables with R | R-bloggers
09:26 TR News; "About a decade ago, we wound up caught in a wiki trap" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/SupportSiteHTMLExperience | Source: uni Toronto
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09:26 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/SupportSiteHTMLExperience
09:27 matey; youre more likely to get something out of this channel if you say things
09:28 TR News; "How many opportunities do we let go when were passively using our phones?" https://afhub.dev/2022/04/29/disconnecting-is-becoming-increasingly-difficult/ |
09:28 TR Bot; Disconnecting is becoming increasingly difficult
09:28 matey; lurking is acceptable, but not optimal
09:28 barto; i don't know what to say
09:28 matey; its a start
09:28 matey; you could say what brings you here
09:29 matey; i sort of know, someh4xor always says to come here
09:29 matey; there must be a reason
09:29 TR News; "CNN projected that the service would have two million subscribers by the end of the year" https://www.theverge.com/23043232/cnn-plus-axios-chat-shut-down-streaming-news | Source: The Verge
09:29 TR Bot; This chart might explain why CNN Plus shut down early - The Verge
09:29 TR News; Fake privacy, like DDG as Microsoft proxy? "The data connection isnt unlimited, either." https://www.pcworld.com/article/696030/microsoft-tests-a-limited-vpn-for-microsoft-edge.html | Source: PC World
09:29 TR Bot; tests a limited VPN for Microsoft Edge | PCWorld
09:29 matey; if you dont know, you can guess
09:29 matey; sometimes guesses turn out to be right
09:30 matey; but take your time, this place is technically open 24/7
09:30 barto; i probably told SomeH4x0r that i like free software
09:30 barto; don't remember
09:30 matey; he says its a topic youre interested in
09:30 barto; yup
09:30 TR News; Information & Data Protection Commissioner (IDPC) https://noyb.eu/en/political-data-breach-malta-c-planet-refuses-right-access-and-information | Source: NYOB
09:30 TR Bot; Political data breach in Malta: C-Planet refuses right to access and information
09:30 matey; its a very interesting time for free software
09:30 TR News; "admitted a data breach potentially affecting 345,000 individuals" https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/data-breach-at-us-healthcare-provider-arcare-impacts-345-000-individuals | Source: Port Swigger
09:30 TR Bot; Data breach at US healthcare provider ARcare impacts 345,000 individuals | The Daily Swig
09:30 matey; in the chinese curse sense
09:31 barto; how so?
09:31 matey; but its not going to stop being important, as long as there are computers running software
09:31 matey; well
09:31 matey; i mean at the moment, free software has mostly been taken over by its #1 enemy (and #2 and #3 as well)
09:32 *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights
09:32 matey; so a lot of people are destroying it
09:32 matey; and some are fighting this
09:32 matey; and probably, a lot of the old things will fall
09:32 matey; and new ones will
09:32 darwin; my web browser just said the Tech Rights SSL certificate expired
09:32 matey; try using http instead of https
09:33 matey; and new ones will take their place
09:33 matey; some of the things that are dying now, its more than just sad
09:33 matey; it didnt have to be
09:33 matey; but here we are
09:33 matey; if you do write any free software
09:34 matey; dont put it on github. thats a great start.
09:34 barto; someone i know made a project on github and invited me to it because he needed HTML5 and CSS3 help
09:34 matey; thatll happen
09:34 matey; you can try to get him to move, chances are he wont listen
09:35 matey; but you never know unless you try
09:35 barto; that's true
09:35 barto; why's github so bad for free software though?
09:35 matey; its a monopoly controlled by one of free softwares largest enemies
09:36 barto; oh yeah
09:36 barto; microsoft
09:36 matey; as part of a goal to destroy free software theyved had for more than 20 years
09:36 matey; microsoft arent nice people
09:36 matey; theyre still as bad as before
09:36 matey; only now people trust them again
09:36 matey; i used to use github
09:37 matey; before it was microsoft
09:37 matey; there are loads of alternatives
09:37 matey; people should use one
09:37 barto; i've heard gitea is a good alternative
09:37 matey; yeah if you can use gitea use that
09:38 matey; i dont know who hosts gitea for free but
09:38 matey; if someone does, thats an option
09:38 matey; small projects can just be zipped up and put on a website too
09:38 matey; i mean, not everything needs a revision system
09:38 matey; but there are still options for people who want one
09:39 matey; just look up "github alternatives"
09:39 TR News; Actual is going Free software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164353 https://actualbudget.com/open-source |
09:39 TR Bot; Actual is going open-source | Tux Machines
09:39 TR Bot; NO TITLE
09:39 matey; then pick one that suits you
09:39 matey; the bigger your project is, the more its worth researching before moving
09:40 matey; the smaller your project is, the easier it is to hop from one place to another until you have the right one
09:40 matey; but you can research options as much as you want to
09:40 matey; its not like there are hundreds. not really.
09:40 matey; more like 12
09:41 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: "The war in Ukraine has pushed the United States to expedite its investment in cybersecurity amid constant" https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3470296-ukraine-war-speeds-up-us-cyber-agenda/ | Source: The Hill
09:41 TR Bot; Ukraine war speeds up US cyber agenda | The Hill
09:41 TR News; "Among them are billionaire GOP donor Peter Thiel and former Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey" https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-twitter-takeover-free-speech-banned-accounts-1345233/ | Source: Rolling Stone
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09:41 TR Bot; Elon Musk 'Vehemently' Opposed Trump's Twitter Ban: Report - Rolling Stone
09:42 TR News; "Twitter as it exists now fills a particular spot in the social media ecosystem." https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-twitter-is-unlikely-to-become-the-digital-town-square-elon-musk-envisions/ | Source: ABC
09:42 TR Bot; Twitter Is Unlikely To Become The Digital Town Square Elon Musk Envisions | FiveThirtyEight
09:42 barto; the project i mentioned earlier is pretty small so i don't know why it even needs to be on github
09:42 matey; im sure it doesnt
09:42 TR News; Actual is going open-source Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164353
09:42 matey; a lot of people think, if i use github, more people will see my proejct
09:42 matey; its not like github is out to help people that way
09:42 matey; theyre out to control that process
09:43 matey; its not a charity, its a monopoly that has all the problems of a monopoly
09:43 matey; even if it helps in the short term-- it will cost projects something important in the long run
09:43 matey; so by all means, if youre going to use github for publicity-- do it
09:43 matey; then move.
09:44 matey; id avoid them entirely. but if youre going to use it that way, do it and then move.
09:45 matey; in the short run they exaggerate the benefits. in the long run its a liability
09:45 matey; the whole thing is a lie
09:45 matey; the best thing about the internet is decentralising
09:45 matey; things like github centralise
09:46 barto; yeah, that's true
09:46 matey; and the short term merits of centraliisation are obvious
09:46 matey; network effects
09:46 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164354
09:46 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:47 matey; the more people there, the more worth there is
09:47 matey; but its a bubble
09:47 matey; they only talk about the positive of network effects
09:47 matey; you can find and talk to and have access to more people
09:47 matey; thats the positive stage of network effects
09:47 matey; then later it turns to shit
09:47 TR News; "That following has made it easier to afford increasingly aggressive and invasive cosmetic procedures" https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/followers-cheaper-lips-young-influencers-detail-allure-cosmetic-proced-rcna14463 | Source: NBC
09:47 TR Bot; Influencers exchange cheap cosmetic surgery for promotion on Tik Tok, but at a cost
09:48 matey; really in the long run youre better off with smaller networks
09:48 TR News; "Friday nights political agreement on the Digital Services Act (DSA) is a good first step" https://edri.org/our-work/eu-negotiators-approve-good-dsa-but-more-work-is-needed-to-build-a-better-internet/ | Source: EDRI
09:48 TR Bot; EU negotiators approve good DSA, but more work is needed to build a better internet - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
09:48 matey; giant networks should always be the secondary option, never the one that trust and reliance is put into
09:49 matey; the big networks should never be used as anything but a mirror
09:49 matey; twitter affects stocks
09:49 matey; thats too much power
09:49 TR News; Fraud celebrated? https://www.salon.com/2022/04/29/the-of-elon-musk-why-do-some-of-us-worship-billionaires/ | Source: Salon
09:49 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: salon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2022/04/29/the-of-elon-musk-why-do-some-of-us-worship-billionaires/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.salon.com/2022/04/29/the-of-elon-musk-why-do-some-of-us-worship-billionaires/
09:49 TR Bot; cult of Elon Musk: Why do some of us worship billionaires? | Salon.com
09:50 matey; facebook affects elections
09:50 TR News; "The Apple Store, located in Atlantas Cumberland Mall, is the first of the companys 272 retail locations" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/29/23048296/apple-retail-store-union-atlanta-cumberland-mall-open-letter | Source: The Verge
09:50 TR Bot; What Apple retail employees in Atlanta are fighting for - The Verge
09:50 matey; twitter and facebook shouldnt have that kind of power
09:50 matey; there are no safeties on that, no checks and balances
09:50 matey; when a network has that much power, and its users (frankly) dont
09:50 matey; that network needs to go, or the users need to take it over.
09:51 matey; with facebook and twitter, the users are not going to take it over.
09:51 matey; so it needs to go.
09:51 TR News; "U.S. resistance to celebrate International Labor Day also called International Workers' Day" https://text.npr.org/1095729592 | Source: NPR
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09:51 TR Bot; What is May Day? For the most part, the opposite of capitalism
09:51 TR News; "Do you enjoy not having to work weekends? The 40-hour work week? Having sick days and paid time off?" https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/international-workers-day-on-may-1st-why-do-we-celebrate-this-occasion |
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09:51 TR Bot; International Worker's Day on May 1st: Why do we celebrate this occasion?
09:51 matey; github is even worse
09:51 barto; really?
09:51 matey; it controls something that exists SOLELY to get out of that level of control.
09:51 barto; thought that facebook and twitter are the worst
09:51 TR News; "Two of the most astute IP [sic] scholars I know also happen to be two of the best legal writers I know" https://capitalaspower.com/2022/04/duke-is-academias-meanest-trademark-bully/ |
09:51 matey; facebook and twitter are the worst for SOMETHING
09:52 TR Bot; Duke is academia's meanest trademark bully Capital As Power
09:52 TR News; "In its 10-Q filing with the SEC, Amazon detailed the components of the MGM deal, which closed March 17." https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/amazon-mgm-content-library-value-1235254458/ | Source: Variety
09:52 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/amazon-mgm-content-library-value-1235254458/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/amazon-mgm-content-library-value-1235254458/
09:52 TR Bot; Values MGM Content Library at $3.4 Billion - Variety
09:52 matey; i mean theyre all the worst for something
09:52 matey; github is a software repo that destroys software.
09:52 matey; i suppose you can make similar arguments about twitter and facebook, sort of
09:52 matey; theres an acronym used here a lot
09:52 matey; gafam
09:52 matey; google amazon facebook apple microsoft
09:53 matey; i throw in ibm: giafam
09:53 matey; these are not our friends
09:54 matey; they take power away from users, they always have
09:54 barto; so like proprietary software
09:54 TR News; "The Entertainment Software Association, an industry group representing Activision, EA, Epic, Nintendo and other major gaming companies" https://torrentfreak.com/major-persistent-video-game-pirates-investigated-by-esa-220430/ | Source: Torrent Freak
09:54 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/major-persistent-video-game-pirates-investigated-by-esa-220430/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://torrentfreak.com/major-persistent-video-game-pirates-investigated-by-esa-220430/
09:54 TR Bot; & Persistent Video Game Pirates Investigated by ESA * TorrentFreak
09:54 barto; it controls the users?
09:54 matey; these are the companies best known for using software to control users
09:55 matey; there are others
09:55 matey; these are the big ones
09:55 matey; its sort of a starting point
09:55 matey; i mean you cant built a gnu/linux system that is free of github
09:55 matey; its impossible
09:56 matey; you can build something else thats free of github
09:56 matey; a different os
09:56 barto; but doesn't linus have a linux repository there?
09:56 matey; thats really just a mirror i think
09:56 matey; linux is controlled by microsoft in a variety of ways
09:56 matey; like lots of people from microsoft on the board of the linux foundation
09:56 matey; and before they get on the board, they do it with money
09:57 matey; when software was mostly non-free, monopolies would just buy competitors
09:57 matey; then kill them off
09:57 matey; they still do that, even with free software... but its more complicated because people can (theoretically) fork
09:57 matey; oracle bought openoffice
09:57 matey; then the developers left openoffice and created libreoffice
09:58 matey; so thats an example of saving a doomed project by forking
09:58 matey; oracle bought everything at once-- then stopped making a freely licensed version
09:58 matey; this forced the hands of developers to use the most recent free version and fork from there
09:58 matey; but...
09:59 matey; if instead, a company buys a project slowly
09:59 matey; and then controls the team more and more
09:59 matey; then maybe a fork wont happen at all
09:59 *ziraffep (~ziraffep@xut3kp7tmzcx4.irc) has joined #techrights
09:59 matey; and they can kill the project entirely
09:59 matey; you can still fork the latest free version
09:59 matey; only now, the project is dead, and people have moved on
09:59 matey; i think thats going to kill libreoffice, in a way that openoffice couldnt be killed.
10:00 matey; blame gnome and collabora when they finally do it.
10:00 matey; so to save free software, people have to know these tricks
10:00 matey; and then fight them.
10:00 TR News; Unions https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-warns-democrats-back-union-movement-now-or-face-defeat-this-fall/ | Source: TruthOut
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10:00 TR Bot; Sanders Warns Democrats: Back Union Movement Now or Face Defeat This Fall
10:00 TR News; "Starbucks has this image of being a progressive company that takes care of its employees. But really that hasn't been the case" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/30/after-amazon-and-starbucks-union-wins-whats-next-reenergized-us-labor-movement | Source: Common Dreams
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10:00 TR Bot; Opinion | After Amazon and Starbucks Union Wins, What's Next for the Reenergized US Labor Movement? | Aaron White
10:01 matey; theyll try to make happiness mandatory, and force people to agree to policies that give a rhetorical/marketing/propaganda (reality control) advantage to corporations
10:01 matey; so you fight those policies too
10:01 matey; same way you fight github
10:01 matey; if you have a project, dont enforce such policies
10:01 matey; if someone offers you money and is known for such policies, dont take the money
10:02 matey; if all else fails and your board of directors is infiltrated-- make sure your software is designed for being forked :)
10:02 matey; even the gnu project gets that wrong
10:02 matey; no one is going to fork gnu
10:02 matey; so it will be killed off.
10:03 matey; the fork is the last chance for a failed project to survive
10:03 matey; if your software isnt forkable, then no license can give freedom 3.
10:04 matey; plain english: dont make a bloated unforkable mess
10:04 matey; dont make something like mozilla or systemd. or gnome.
10:04 matey; (or libreoffice)
10:04 barto; why's systemd so hated?
10:04 matey; libreoffice is a fork that im guessing will never be forked
10:04 matey; systemd tried to control people
10:04 matey; it tried to take over distros
10:05 matey; it even succeeded
10:05 matey; the culture of systemd isnt
10:05 matey; "you have choices, youre the boss of, owner of your own computer"
10:05 matey; its pure technical chauvinism
10:05 matey; "we know best, shut up and like it"
10:05 matey; "you have no choices. you dont even WANT choices"
10:05 TR News; "[Jeshua Lacock] from 3DTOPO owns a large-format CNC (4x8, or 1.22.4 m), that he strongly feels is lacking laser-cutting capabilities." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/30/giant-cnc-partners-with-powerful-laser-diode/ | Source: Hackaday
10:05 TR Bot; CNC Partners With Powerful Laser Diode | Hackaday
10:06 matey; "people dont care what their init system is"
10:06 TR News; Book censorship https://truthout.org/articles/childrens-book-authors-are-fighting-back-against-censorship-and-book-bans/ | Source: TruthOut
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10:06 matey; gentoo cared what their init system is
10:06 matey; so systemd told them they would have no choice either
10:06 matey; this is sinister
10:06 matey; but at any rate
10:06 matey; if you control people to where they have no choice-- its hardly free software.
10:07 TR News; Online shooter games https://hackaday.com/2022/04/30/aimbot-does-it-in-hardware/ | Source: Hackaday
10:07 TR Bot; Does It In Hardware | Hackaday
10:07 matey; the point of free software is for users to control their computing
10:07 matey; not for a corporation like red hat (now ibm) to control users
10:07 matey; the freedom you get from the license of systemd, when applied to a project like systemd, is in theory only
10:07 matey; if you fix it, theyll just break it in a way that you have to keep depending on their version
10:08 matey; so forks are irrelevant
10:08 matey; microsoft did that with rtf decades ago
10:08 matey; systemd does it now.
10:08 barto; that's scummy
10:08 matey; to say the least
10:08 matey; and theyre proud of it
10:08 matey; devs like that need to go.
10:09 matey; the best thing they can do to help free software is stop writing software
10:09 TR News; May Day https://truthout.org/articles/on-may-day-lets-make-bold-demands-for-democracy-at-work-and-in-the-streets/ | Source: TruthOut
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10:09 TR Bot; On May Day, Let's Make Bold Demands for Democracy at Work and in the Streets
10:09 matey; i wrote a script that remixed trisquel and debian to remove systemd as pid 1 / init
10:09 TR News; "project that tickled my nostalgia bone" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/30/new-tech-and-the-old-ways/ | Source: Hackaday
10:09 TR Bot; Tech And The Old Ways | Hackaday
10:09 matey; but systemd gets into a lot more than that
10:09 matey; thats just the first step
10:09 matey; devuans been fighting systemd for 7 years
10:09 matey; how is that possible?
10:10 matey; what is so insidious about systemd
10:10 matey; that it takes the better part of a decade to remove it? and theyre still working on it
10:10 matey; thats insane
10:10 matey; i switched to bsd
10:10 TR News; "The origin story for many whod call themselves a member of the hacker community usually starts with taking things apart as a child" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/30/hacking-toy-rc-cars-with-the-hackrf-one/ | Source: Hackaday
10:10 TR Bot; Toy RC Cars With The HackRF One | Hackaday
10:10 matey; i fought REALLY REALLY hard to stay away from systemd on gnu/linux
10:10 matey; finally after years i just switched to bsd
10:11 matey; i shouldve done it sooner
10:11 barto; is bsd any good?
10:11 matey; depends on what youre looking for
10:11 TR News; "[GreatScott!] was bummed to see his greenhouse be empty and lifeless in winter." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/30/plant-growth-accelerated-tremendously-with-leds/ | Source: Hackaday
10:11 TR Bot; Growth Accelerated Tremendously With LEDs | Hackaday
10:12 matey; if youre looking for a long-term, stable, forkable os that has these things in ways gnu/linux is completely doomed
10:12 matey; then bsd is all you need.
10:12 matey; but thats a big if, right?
10:12 matey; i mean, theres less software for bsd, somewhat less hardware support
10:12 matey; the advantage of trying bsd for a lot of people
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10:12 matey; is seeing what it can and cant do
10:13 matey; because if we just talk about it, people exaggerate what it WONT do
10:13 matey; but if you want the MOST software, the MOST compatibility
10:13 matey; and you dont care if it gets shittier and more hateful all the time
10:13 matey; then theres no reason to switch from linux, right
10:13 matey; but personally i wanted to stand up to this
10:14 matey; i didnt spend 10 years migrating to gnu/linux just to have it all controlled by microsoft (github) and ibm (systemd)
10:14 matey; i mean ibm and microsoft is what i was stuck with in the 1980s
10:14 matey; free software was my plan to get away from them!
10:15 matey; if my computing is controlled by those two companies anyway, free software doesnt do what i switched to it for.
10:15 matey; but the fight is still worthwhile
10:16 matey; its just-- the fsfs job is to fight this, and they dont anymore
10:16 barto; what if i use an alternative to systemd?
10:16 barto; like openRC
10:16 matey; if you use an alternative to systemd, thats good
10:16 matey; i used sysvinit
10:16 matey; i tried some openrc distros too
10:16 matey; openrc of course, is github :)
10:16 TR News; Review of ad??? "Id like to thank Ulenic for sending T10 for review. It can be purchased for $429 on Amazon" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/01/ultenic-t10-review-a-self-emptying-2-in-1-smart-vacuum-robot-with-mopping-function/
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10:16 TR Bot; Ultenic T10 review - A self-emptying 2-in-1 smart vacuum robot with mopping function - CNX Software
10:16 barto; :-(
10:16 matey; yeah
10:16 matey; i mean things are bad
10:16 barto; what about runit
10:16 matey; i think runit is cool, let me check
10:17 matey; yep its cool http://smarden.org/runit/
10:17 TR Bot; runit - a UNIX init scheme with service supervision
10:17 matey; but youll find lots of things rely on libsystemd (this isnt runits fault, its just the other places systemd gets into)
10:18 matey; and people say well, thats no big deal
10:18 matey; while yorue avoiding systemd you might consider fighting d-bus (ibm) too
10:18 TR News; Best Free and Open Source Software April 2022 Updates - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/best-free-open-source-software-april-2022-updates/ Source: LinuxLinks | GNU | Linux | FreeSW
10:18 TR Bot; Free and Open Source Software April 2022 Updates - LinuxLinks
10:18 matey; however, if you get tired of libsystemd
10:18 barto; i've never heard of d-bus
10:18 matey; i think you can switch to bsd and be rid of it
10:19 matey; devuan will keep... doing whatever they do
10:19 matey; i switched to devuan in 2015
10:19 matey; used it for a while, even made my own distro based on it
10:19 matey; gave up eventually
10:19 matey; but the way to fight all this is...
10:20 matey; replace stuff that sucks and is evil
10:20 matey; with stuff that isnt
10:20 matey; and then share knowledge of how to do that
10:20 matey; so youre not the only person who knows
10:20 matey; the more people who know, the more likely it is to get done
10:20 barto; i wanna switch to a more free OS but i don't know anything about how gnu/linux or bsd works
10:20 matey; mayeb someday we can be github free
10:20 matey; but i don't know anything about how gnu/linux or bsd works <- spent about 10 years learning
10:20 matey; but
10:21 matey; i had a LONG list of things i wanted solved BEFORE i switched
10:21 matey; you dont need to spend 10 years learning first (also at the time, things were less advanced)
10:21 matey; i started learning this stuff closer to 2000 than 2010
10:21 matey; some things are easier, even now.
10:22 matey; by 2007 things were pretty friendly
10:22 matey; still friendly in 2013
10:22 matey; systemd took over debian between 2014 and 2015
10:22 matey; my advice to literally everyone is
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10:22 matey; get a second computer, even if its 5-10 years old
10:22 matey; put something on it, and start trying it
10:23 matey; you can also dual boot, but for some things thats really not practical
10:23 barto; yeah
10:23 barto; i wouldn't dual boot
10:23 matey; dual booting has gotten harder to do
10:23 TR News; "Recent versions of Sailfish OS (currently 4.4.0.58) use a socket that listens on port 22, and start sshd (to be precise, a per-connection sshd@.service) when someone knocks." https://dt.iki.fi/sailfish-os-sshd
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10:23 TR Bot; sshd more secure on Sailfish OS | dt.iki.fi
10:23 matey; not accidentally either
10:23 TR News; Challenges of Creating a Decentralized, Open Source Twitter Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164356
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10:23 matey; if all you wanted to do was try gnu/linux
10:23 matey; endless os can install itself on your windows machine
10:24 matey; but its a really shitty locked down distro
10:24 barto; i already "tried" gnu/linux
10:24 matey; uses flatpak to make gnu/linux more app-based, like android
10:24 matey; which distro?
10:24 barto; i tried mint and gentoo
10:24 barto; but on VMs
10:24 matey; gentoo is hard, i dont have the patience for it
10:24 barto; yeah
10:24 barto; it is
10:24 barto; but i wanna learn gentoo
10:24 matey; thats cool
10:24 barto; it looks like a great distro
10:24 matey; learn it
10:25 matey; it will make you more powerful
10:25 barto; i have a hard time understanding CFLAGS
10:25 matey; then you can use a large percentage of that knowledge anywhere
10:25 barto; for gentoo
10:25 matey; yeah i dont know cflags
10:26 barto; it's really hard
10:26 matey; ive compiled bash and python2 on openbsd
10:26 barto; and gentoo compiles everything from source
10:26 matey; before openbsd i would have never attempted such a thing
10:26 barto; so it might be time consuming
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10:27 barto; talking about bsd
10:27 TR News; As we enter the month of May it becomes more apparent that Windows goes nowhere but down, even months after a new release/version http://techrights.org/2022/04/30/month-check-statcounter/
10:27 TR Bot; Windows Has Never Been So Small | Techrights
10:27 barto; what do you think about the bsd license
10:27 barto; ?
10:27 matey; its a complicated subject
10:27 matey; copyleft is better in theory, and maybe in practice
10:28 matey; there are lots of arguments to make for copyleft
10:28 matey; they dont apply to bsd, because bsd doesnt use them
10:28 matey; however
10:28 matey; you COULD fork openbsd and put it under gpl
10:28 matey; it would really piss off theo de raadt
10:28 matey; and some bsd people
10:28 matey; but you could do it
10:29 matey; my interest in openbsd comes from hyperbola
10:29 matey; the only bsd that could meet the requirements of the fsf
10:30 matey; i dont think we are ever going to have a really honest discussion of permissive vs copyleft because the camps have different ideas about it
10:30 matey; id like it to be treated like a science
10:30 matey; if copyleft REALLY makes people more free
10:30 matey; keeps them more free
10:30 matey; then its worth it
10:30 matey; either way, the fsf is going to keep using it
10:30 matey; even though linux is stuck at gpl2, they cant fix that
10:30 matey; while the openbsd kernel could be redone as gpl3
10:31 matey; and eventually, like bsd itself--
10:31 matey; it woudl change to the point where it bore little resemblance to the version they forked from
10:31 matey; and it woudlnt matter that some of the code is available under a permissive license
10:31 matey; but rms never recommends this
10:31 matey; and hes never made a mistake. ever.
10:31 matey; hes infallible.
10:31 matey; (but not really)
10:32 matey; like i said, its complicated!
10:32 matey; for now, if you use gnu its copylet
10:32 matey; if you use bsd, its permissive
10:32 matey; thats the way it is (for now)
10:32 matey; but thats not why i like bsd so much
10:32 matey; its forkable, freedom 3 isnt theoretical. its actually happened in practice
10:32 matey; people fork bsd.
10:32 matey; so we KNOW its forkable
10:33 matey; gnu and linux are forkable in theory
10:33 matey; i dont think it will happen though. and thats bad at this point.
10:34 matey; id rather have a permissive freedom 3 in reality than a copyleft freedom 3 in my imagination
10:34 matey; but i dont necessarily thing permissive vs copyleft is the only factor there
10:34 matey; bsd is designed well
10:34 matey; thats why its forkable
10:34 matey; gnu doesnt give a shit about that.
10:34 matey; it really doesnt
10:35 matey; a license along cant give freedom 3. the software has to be designed well enough that you can fork it.
10:36 matey; theyve been forking puppy linux for years now
10:36 matey; refactoring woofce
10:37 matey; as a result, many just moved to antix instead
10:38 barto; antix?
10:38 matey; yeah, im not recommending it
10:39 matey; im just saying that if a project is too hard to fork
10:39 matey; people will instead work on something that is easier or more worthwhile
10:39 matey; puppy (the scripts that create it) is forked but
10:39 matey; theyve spent years refactoring
10:39 matey; and its taken so long that people have started moving on
10:40 matey; and antix is like puppy used to be, in many ways
10:40 matey; sadly both puppy and antix use github
10:40 matey; i mean their developers keep the sources there and work on them there
10:41 matey; MOST of the systemd-free distros use github
10:41 barto; that's really unfortunate
10:41 matey; tell me about it
10:41 matey; so when microsoft bought github, and my goals became twofold
10:41 matey; 1. fight systemd 2. fight microsoft
10:41 matey; at that point it was inevitable that i would stop using gnu/linux
10:42 matey; but i spent years making sure there wasnt some other way
10:42 matey; if i was able to use gentoo, i might still be using it
10:42 matey; at some point i decided getting away from the linux kernel would nice too :)
10:43 matey; i was sure openbsd wasnt "ready" yet so i waited a bunch of years before just trying it
10:43 matey; i tried freebsd, then netbsd, since i thought openbsd would be the most important-- but also the hardest
10:43 matey; i saved it for last, when i had more bsd experience
10:43 matey; freebsd wouldnt install properly on one laop
10:44 matey; laptop-- netbsd didnt either
10:44 matey; so i tried openbsd on it. not only did it work, it was a lot friendlier than i expected
10:44 matey; there are definitely drawbacks. just not nearly as many as i expected.
10:44 matey; i went in with low expectations
10:45 matey; im a gnu/linux refugee. i expected squalor.
10:45 matey; gentoo is probably harder to use :)
10:45 barto; probably
10:45 matey; but thats good
10:45 matey; you get good at gentoo, youll be powerful
10:46 matey; i know its not difficult only for bullshit reasons
10:46 matey; plus if lennart hates it, it cant be ALL bad
10:46 barto; lennart?
10:46 matey; he wrote systemd
10:46 barto; oh
10:46 matey; lennaret poettering
10:46 barto; another question
10:46 barto; who's novell
10:46 matey; lennart
10:47 matey; novell was a big company
10:47 matey; they got bought, mostly by oracle i think
10:47 matey; wikipedia has details
10:47 matey; they did a lot of business with microsoft before getting sold and split up
10:47 matey; but i think oracle got most of it
10:48 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/novell
10:48 TR Bot; Novell - Wikipedia
10:49 barto; looking over it right now
10:49 matey; techrights was called boycottnovell in 2008
10:49 matey; which im sure is why youre asking
10:49 matey; actually 2006, the irc starts in 2008
10:49 barto; i'm asking because of the channel in the IRC
10:49 barto; #boycottnovel
10:49 barto; novell*
10:49 matey; yeah
10:50 matey; techrights used to be called boycottnovell
10:50 barto; good to know
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10:50 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164359
10:50 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
10:50 matey; the channel is sort of repurposed now
10:50 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164360
10:50 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
10:50 matey; its not the actual topic
10:51 matey; these irc channels used to be on freenode
10:51 matey; before that went insane a year or so ago
10:51 matey; maybe less
10:51 matey; so i guess it was already registered... and the name stuck
10:51 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D218.jpg
10:52 matey; its real purpose now, as a channel
10:52 matey; is that its not "here"
10:52 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D575.jpg
10:52 matey; its "there"
10:52 matey; so other stuff gets posted/said/discussed there
10:52 TR News; Musings on processing malformed Gemini (and web) requests gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/04/30.1
10:53 matey; technically its just as public, but people pay it less attention
10:53 TR News; Free Speech "I hestiated to even write this, but it needs said. I did tone it down just a bit, in the interest of legitimate dialogue." gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-04-30-free-speech.gmi
10:54 barto; i see
10:54 TR News; "It's interviews with tilde-verse people, mixed with short segments about science trivia, readings, and whatever. It's entertaining, and it's well produced too. I only listened to like one and a half of them so far, but I know I'll get back to it, because it's good." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/joneworlds/tildewhirl.gmi
10:55 TR News; "I like working with microcontrollers and other small systems. They provide constraints and constraints make all creative endeavors better. They define the space that can be filled so you can find solutions to filling it." gemini://going-flying.com/~mernisse/28.gmi
10:55 matey; they actually made an episode or more of #techbytes in the past year or so
10:55 matey; so the topic of #techbytes is still techbytes
10:55 matey; the techrights podcast
10:55 matey; but i think its mostly used as a pastebin.
10:55 matey; and another side-channel for discussing... whatever
10:56 TR News; Video Games and FOSS gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/game_licences.gmi
10:56 matey; both are used as pastebins sometimes
10:56 barto; oh
10:56 barto; techrights has a podcast?
10:56 matey; sometimes
10:56 TR News; Returning to Games after a Decade gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/game_return.gmi
10:56 matey; it was inactive for years
10:56 matey; then last year they did some new ones
10:57 matey; i dont know whether they still do or not
10:57 matey; for all i know they might do a new one every month or couple weeks
10:58 *Timur has quit (connection closed)
10:58 barto; i'll look into it later
10:58 barto; also have you read the gng thing i sent a couple of days ago?
10:59 matey; some of it
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 34.98 average k/sec., average swarm size 298.85
10:59 matey; i mean, im all for critcising the fsf
10:59 matey; but i think most of the criticism there is typical open source bs
10:59 matey; id rather deal with individual topics than a big mountain of crap that might have a point somewhere
11:00 matey; the website looks like a big mountain of crap to me
11:00 matey; but it might have a point somewhere
11:00 barto; true
11:00 matey; i have a low opinion of the fsf
11:00 matey; they sold out
11:00 matey; but open source sold out 20 years earlier
11:01 matey; and the biggest problem the fsf has, is letting open source in
11:01 *novelist has quit (Quit: Connection closed)
11:01 matey; so open source isnt likely to impress me with THEIR critiques, which ive already been familiar with for 20 years
11:01 matey; a lot of which are bs
11:01 matey; if i want open source bs i can get that from the fsf now :)
11:02 barto; so is it worth supporting the FSF anymore?
11:02 matey; i mean i dont think fraud should be rewarded with money
11:02 matey; and i think the fsf is a fraud now
11:02 matey; but that doesnt mean open source is LESS of a fraud
11:02 matey; its the same scam that it always was
11:02 matey; so i dont recommend supporting the fsf
11:03 matey; when has throwing money at corruption ever made it better?
11:03 matey; support alternatives
11:03 matey; (but not open source)
11:03 barto; are there even alternatives to FSF?
11:03 matey; it was a lot simpler when the fsf wasnt corrupt
11:03 matey; sort of?
11:03 matey; just one example, leah rowe is working on a federation for free software
11:04 matey; i think there will be more examples
11:04 matey; the nice thing about a federation is its a way for those examples to work together sometimes
11:04 matey; without all being assimilated or having to agree on everything
11:04 matey; i think SOME things are very important to agree on
11:04 matey; but some disagreements we can have without abandoning the common goal
11:04 matey; federation helps with that
11:05 matey; federation is also going to take a while to establish
11:05 matey; so far, its taken 5 years. but i dont know if leahs been working on it that long.
11:06 matey; these are starting points
11:06 matey; when there are real options, youll see them coming from starting points like these
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11:06 matey; give money to projects
11:06 matey; the orgs mostly suck
11:06 matey; of course, some projects will need an org
11:06 matey; like openbsd has an org so they can take donatiosn
11:07 matey; thats okay
11:07 matey; others use sfc
11:07 matey; i would never support sfc
11:07 matey; if youre going to give money to sfc or the fsf, just give it to the fsf
11:07 matey; fuck kuhn
11:07 matey; i hope he kills himself
11:08 barto; sfc?
11:08 matey; software freedom conservancy
11:09 barto; what did kuhn do?
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11:10 TR Bot; Dont Become or Remain a Slave of Elon Musk (Social Control Media is Still a Bubble) | Techrights
11:10 matey; helped lead a coup against the fsf
11:11 matey; https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/sep/16/rms-does-not-speak-for-us/
11:11 TR Bot; Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement - Software Freedom Conservancy
11:11 matey; this didnt happen out of nowhere
11:11 barto; didn't he get a fsf free software award?
11:11 matey; yes!
11:11 matey; the fsf awards are batshit
11:11 matey; some good people got them too though
11:11 matey; i think lawrence lessig is one of the greatest people on earth
11:12 matey; he got one... years ago
11:12 matey; awards are... you really cant count on them
11:12 matey; they tried to give henry kissenger a nobel PEACE PRIZE
11:12 matey; he refused
11:13 matey; i mean its ridiculous
11:13 matey; at least kissenger understood how ridiculous that would be
11:13 matey; but war criminals get peace prizes, its a thing
11:14 matey; kuhn got a free software award
11:14 matey; its a farce
11:16 matey; i wonder if theres a field that extends around it
11:16 matey; like if reality itself actually bends around that thing, or what
11:16 matey; thats what bullshit ultimately does
11:16 matey; it bends reality
11:17 matey; sometimes it breaks things
11:18 matey; it also warps the people that use it
11:18 matey; like a spell that turns on the person who casts it
11:20 matey; a little bullshit is like sugar, people eat it and usually dont die
11:20 matey; but make a lifestyle out of it and youll be a fat idiot in his 40s that looks like penfold from dangermouse
11:20 matey; maybe thats too specific
11:20 barto; lol
11:20 matey; he does look like penfold though
11:20 matey; i only presume hes in his 40s
11:21 barto; looks close enough
11:23 matey; ricky gervais said that ross kemp looks like zippy from rainbow :)
11:24 barto; never heard of rainbow
11:25 barto; also
11:25 barto; openRC < runit ?
11:25 matey; i mean
11:25 matey; if your goal is to avoid github? definitely
11:25 matey; should that be a goal? hopefully
11:26 matey; but thats the criteria that makes runit the better one
11:26 matey; there may be other criteria that do the same
11:26 matey; openrc is github, rc.d (openbsd) is not
11:26 barto; gentoo does have runit repositories but it's not fully supported
11:27 matey; oh yeah, i mean
11:27 matey; thats the thing
11:27 matey; you can have no init at all.
11:27 matey; but then things that need the init... youll have to do something else with those
11:28 matey; you cant fix everything at the same time
11:28 matey; so if init is too much trouble, use the default and fix it when you can
11:29 matey; but systemd is worth fighting
11:29 matey; if youre using anything else... its a start.
11:29 matey; i wihs more people knew how much stuff is on github
11:29 matey; because if your init isnt, then 100 other things are.
11:30 matey; its still worth fighting, but itll be years before we can be free of that shit
11:30 matey; its impossible to make every bug your highest priority
11:30 matey; you can triage
11:31 matey; i got tired of the linux kernel
11:31 matey; i found a way out of that
11:31 matey; at the same time i found my way out of systemd
11:31 matey; openbsd is (like many things) compiled with llvm
11:31 matey; guess where llvm is developed!
11:32 matey; did i recompile everything with gcc? nope
11:32 matey; would it be cool if someone did? yep
11:32 matey; would it still be ibm instead of microsoft?
11:32 matey; yes. weve got a long fucking way to go.
11:33 matey; microsoft and ibm have set free software back a decade or two
11:33 matey; thanks, arseholes
11:34 barto; :-(
11:34 matey; eh
11:34 matey; when people figure out how bad it is
11:34 matey; theyll fight harder
11:35 matey; but the movement needs a reboot
11:35 matey; too much apathy
11:35 activelow; the entire industry, wasted two decades
11:35 matey; activelow is fighting c++ :)
11:36 matey; i think if nothing else, it sets a good example (im not fighting c++ yet)
11:36 barto; why fight c++?
11:36 matey; (i think, better c++ than rust)
11:36 activelow; if there was a fast and efficient c++ compiler
11:36 matey; youd have to ask him
11:36 activelow; same with rust
11:36 matey; but i know part of it is that gcc requires c++ to compile c :)
11:37 matey; and he thinks thats perverse
11:37 matey; which it might be
11:37 activelow; i consider rust merely yet another language frontend of the compiler
11:37 matey; but its not
11:37 activelow; wrong
11:37 matey; rust is a pretend programming language
11:37 matey; which is so unstable that its basically cloud-based
11:38 matey; c++ is not like that
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11:38 matey; i would like to know how important boost is though
11:39 matey; to the c++ ecosystem
11:40 activelow; major products rely on boost, such as LibreOffice, QT4/5
11:40 matey; there you go
11:40 matey; so boost of course, is github based
11:40 matey; but so is libreoffice
11:40 matey; and qt is self-hosted
11:40 matey; but at least it needs libffi, libpng and boost
11:41 matey; all of which are github deps
11:43 matey; http://techrights.org/wiki/Ted_MacReilly_Handbook_Revisited:_Chapter_8
11:43 TR Bot; Ted MacReilly Handbook Revisited: Chapter 8 - Techrights
11:43 matey; "The plan has never actually changed, but our way of framing it has changed entirely. We de-commoditize protocols. We add features we want and deprecate ones that people rely on, and we tell them to get with the program. We create the same kind of lock-in (in practice) by decreasing the compatibility with trusted development tools and utilities, so we can move more quickly (and drag users along) from one industry fad to another."
11:43 TR News; From Belarus With Love Part IX: The End of Peaceful Coexistence? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/htp-peaceful-coexistence/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/htp-peaceful-coexistence/
11:43 TR Bot; From Belarus With Love Part IX: The End of Peaceful Coexistence? | Techrights
11:47 SomeH4x0r; hi
11:47 cameron1; wassup SomeH4x0r
11:47 barto; greetings
11:47 matey; o/
11:47 SomeH4x0r; matey: on Qt: iirc they at some point closed stuff behiind a paywall
11:48 SomeH4x0r; no idea if just binaries or source code as well
11:48 matey; lol
11:48 matey; well the sooner qt dies the better
11:48 matey; maybe IT will get forked
11:48 matey; either way i dont recommend kde to anyone
11:48 matey; but qt is more than just kde
11:52 SomeH4x0r; barto: btw, Uplink is written in C++ and no idea if it would work on OpenBSD. Perhaps it will if there is some compatibility thing.
11:52 matey; activelow is the one at war with c++
11:53 matey; i still think its better than rust
11:53 SomeH4x0r; deathcamel57 disappeared at some point, and then he came back for a day saying he is busy with other stuff
11:53 matey; though id love to be read of boost :)
11:53 matey; rid of
11:53 SomeH4x0r; no idea if he will continue working on Uplink
11:53 activelow; matey: i am not at war with c++, i retreated from it
11:53 matey; thats a fair distinction
11:54 matey; but its also a quibble
11:55 matey; /me has seen enough of uplink to think you could do similar with pygame and enough interest in creating a similar game
11:56 activelow; any version later than gtk-2.6 (year 2005) is not acceptable; couldn't confirm yet if a re-integration of the older version is possible
11:56 matey; gtk-2.6 makes unicode optional or something?
11:57 activelow; the dependency graph of GTK2/3 are chaotic
11:57 activelow; for gtk-2.6 an older pango version suffices, without harfbuzz
11:57 matey; i criticise some of activelows decisions
11:58 activelow; not sure how this affects unicode; although unicode font rendering does not require harfbuzz
11:58 matey; but his research sets a very useful example, whether you agree with each individual decision or not
11:58 matey; hes also using gentoo to do all this
11:59 activelow; ideally i could ditch gentoo tooling, or make it optional... because i do not appreciate the heavy python dependencies of their portage build system
11:59 activelow; nonetheless, the dependency tracking with gentoo is superb
12:00 matey; i do not appreciate the heavy python dependencies <- yeah thats rough
12:00 activelow; yet, it would be preferrable, if a system could be maintained without it, with a clean and simple dependency graph of components
12:00 activelow; matey: python is ok; i am sceptical it is attached to the build system
12:00 matey; /me wishes there was a very lightweight fork of python... with python2 strings
12:01 matey; python is ok <- python 3 isnt even a language
12:01 matey; its another webapi
12:01 activelow; i want to remove python from the build-time dependencies, not run-time
12:02 activelow; in comparison, i want to remove c++ as both build-time dependency _and_ from runtime
12:02 activelow; c++ is far worse, btw., in conjunction with python/swig, which is written in c++, and python/swig is required to compile u-boot loader <- ouch.
12:04 matey; Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements (and modified versions in general) to the public, so that the whole community benefits.
12:04 matey; how anyone is supposed to modify any of this
12:05 matey; when its all becoming a giant ball of interdependent nonsense
12:06 matey; its funny, because the entire ecosystemd has basically turned into the fucking european union
12:07 matey; /me cant even say ecosystem without adding d ffs
12:08 matey; if the gpl is viral, github is a bioweapon
12:11 TR News; Antnio Campinos Has Dubbed Himself the F***ing President | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/antonio-f-campinos/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/antonio-f-campinos/
12:11 TR Bot; Antnio Campinos Has Dubbed Himself the F***ing President | Techrights
12:12 activelow; GPL without guarding standards is dangerous
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 69.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 374.06
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13:13 TR News; DRM in action https://gamerant.com/playstation-classic-games-not-working-ps3-ps-vita/
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13:13 TR Bot; Fans Claim PlayStation Classic Titles Are Now Unplayable
13:13 TR News; DRM means that people with unauthorised copies get better value and better experience than those who pay https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/ps3-and-ps-vita-virtual-games-experiencing-unplayable-expired-error-3201648
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13:13 TR Bot; PS3 and PS Vita virtual games experiencing unplayable "expired" error
13:14 TR News; Microsoft Windows kills https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-exchange-servers-hacked-to-deploy-hive-ransomware/
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13:14 TR Bot; Microsoft Exchange servers hacked to deploy Hive ransomware
13:16 TR News; This is very good because it'll teach people to avoid DRM like the plague. Even some companies will avoid it. https://knowtechie.com/some-video-games-are-suddenly-expiring-on-ps3-and-vita-consoles/
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13:16 TR Bot; Some video games are suddenly expiring on PS3 and Vita consoles
13:17 TR News; Hands-On with Arch Linuxs New Menu-Based Installer Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164361
13:17 TR Bot; Hands-On with Arch Linuxs New Menu-Based Installer | Tux Machines
13:20 TR News; Graft. Taking from taxpayers to subsidise (at a COLOSSAL loss) companies that in turn oppress the taxpayers. https://swarajyamag.com/analysis/the-role-of-state-funded-agency-darpa-in-growth-of-us-semiconductor-industry-and-lessons-for-india bankrupting a nation...
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13:20 TR Bot; The Role Of State-Funded Agency DARPA In Growth Of U.S Semiconductor Industry And Lessons For India
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13:34 TR News; "Debian Escobar was missing for a long time, her parents found her everywhere, but she could not be found anywhere." Debian??? https://getindianews.com/debanhi-escobar-found-dead/
13:34 TR Bot; Who Was DEBANHI ESCOBAR And What Was His Cause Of Death? Woman Found Dead In Mexico
13:36 TR News; What is "Debian Perl"? "Katie Longua is a self-published comic artist and co-creator of Debian Perl" https://www.crunchyroll.com/en-gb/anime-news/2022/04/25-1/exclusive-unico-awakening-kickstarter-reveals-special-reward-prints-from-renowned-artists
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13:36 TR Bot; - EXCLUSIVE: UNICO: AWAKENING Kickstarter Reveals Special Reward Prints from Renowned Artists
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13:48 TR News; Maven, Gradle And More: #HowTo Choose Between Package Managers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164362
13:48 TR Bot; Maven, Gradle And More: How To Choose Between Package Managers | Tux Machines
13:50 TR News; Debian, I lend you my voice https://www.bolnews.com/international/2022/04/students-death-stokes-anger-over-mexican-femicide-crisis/
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13:50 TR Bot; Student's death stokes anger over Mexican femicide crisis
13:53 TR News; LOL! Enjoy. https://voonze.com/up-to-40-minutes-to-boot-windows-11/
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13:53 TR Bot; Up to 40 minutes to boot Windows 11? - How smart Technology changing lives
13:57 TR News; But why does EFF never promote GNU/Linux? https://www.eff.org/event/eff-scale-19x
13:57 TR Bot; EFF at SCaLE 19x | Electronic Frontier Foundation
13:59 TR News; As if Obama himself spoke truth to his people. Arrogance and Hubris. Heck, he was stonewalling for the Saudi regime, obstructing families of 9/11 casualties. https://www.rappler.com/technology/features/full-text-barack-obama-digital-disinformation-challenges-democracy/
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13:59 TR Bot; FULL TEXT: Barack Obama on digital disinformation and its challenges to democracy
14:00 TR News; Samsung spam or puff piece? Government does PR for private sector: "Sponsored by the Ministry of Employment and Labor, SSAFY is a corporate social responsibility program launched by Samsung to expand the domestic" https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/327896.html?gosh
14:00 TR Bot; Samsung continues to foster homegrown software developers - The Korea Times
14:00 TR News; Top 10 Websites to Learn Python for Free in 2022 https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-websites-to-learn-python-for-free-in-2022/
14:00 TR Bot; Top 10 Websites to Learn Python for Free in 2022
14:02 TR News; There has never been a better time to leave behind the medium which even in its lesser-centralised forms wastes time and impacts what people read and write (not for the better) http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/social-control-media-implosion/
14:02 TR Bot; Dont Become or Remain a Slave of Elon Musk (Social Control Media is Still a Bubble) | Techrights
14:02 TR News; We continue to explore the affairs of the Belarusian science park in Minsk, where EPO President Benot Battistelli sent parts of the EPO (while Antnio Campinos pretends that the EPO is cutting relations with Belarus) http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/htp-peaceful-coexistence/
14:02 TR Bot; From Belarus With Love Part IX: The End of Peaceful Coexistence? | Techrights
14:02 TR News; As revealed days ago, Antnio Campinos ought not be known for manners (the quotes above are from him, the EPOs President who wants his term extended so he can carry on defacing the EPO's site with lies and incitement to break the law) http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/antonio-f-campinos/
14:04 TR News; Gemini as an excuse to make toys again gemini://going-flying.com/~mernisse/18.gmi
14:04 TR News; "I had Kubuntu 21.10 installed with snaps disabled. Decided to run an update to Kubuntu 22.04. I'm on "normal" track, so this is for non-LTS version." gemini://akselmo.dev/posts/blog-2022-05-01-Fixing-DNS-issues-in-Kubuntu-22.04.gmi
14:14 TR News; Digital Restrictions (DRM) https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/24/cnn-plus-what-went-wrong-why-it-was-canceled.html
14:14 TR Bot; CNN+: What went wrong and why it was canceled
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14:15 TR News; Example of webspam in 'article' clothing, spiced up with buzzwords https://www.analyticsinsight.net/improve-your-business-growth-with-these-top-big-data-companies/
14:15 TR Bot; Improve Your Business Growth with These Top Big Data Companies
14:16 TR News; Thoughts and prayers https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/former-bremerton-football-coach-who-lost-job-postgame-prayers-takes-case-supreme-court/V7TBOKHOPNAVVMW4HNX32OU5FA/
14:16 TR Bot; Former Bremerton football coach who lost job for postgame prayers takes case to Supreme Court KIRO 7 News Seattle
14:18 TR News; ICBM Red Hat speaks of "clown" and malarkey. Companies do this when they lack technical edge, so executives overcompensate with shallow marketing. https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/04/b26785764/red-hat-expands-capabilities-to-provide-streamlined-application-development-and-delivery-in-the-cl
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14:18 TR Bot; Hat Expands Capabilities to Provide Streamlined Application Development and Delivery in the Cloud - Benzinga
14:20 TR News; A 4-year degree isnt the job requirement it used to be | The Seattle Times https://www.seattletimes.com/explore/careers/a-4-year-degree-isnt-the-job-requirement-it-used-to-be/ Source: seattletimes (NYTimes article reposted by Bill Gates-bribed outlet)
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14:22 TR News; Salesforce webspam https://fundraising.co.uk/2022/04/25/salesforce-reaches-half-a-billion-dollars-in-all-time-giving/ Salesforce profits from crimes against humanity http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/salesforce-works-for-ice/
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14:24 TR News; "Ive noticed that there are two types of students in this world when it comes to choosing courses: those who enroll for an easy A and those who take a class because its interesting. Both factors, easiness and interest, are subjective." https://emorywheel.com/emory-must-prioritize-undergraduate-teaching-instead-of-pure-research/
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14:24 TR Bot; Emory must prioritize undergraduate teaching instead of pure research | The Emory Wheel
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14:25 TR News; "China exported surveillance tech to Serbia. Did it export authoritarianism too?" https://www.ft.com/content/ad8fa1ce-247b-48b7-a17a-87a368186c31 FT, did you take bribe from Bill Gates? (You did.) To help reputation laundering of Jeffrey Epstein's enabler?
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14:25 TR Bot; US-China Tech Race: brave new world | Financial Times
14:27 TR News; They mean server. And it's not "now"; it has been like this for decades (predating dumb buzzwords) https://www.freepressjournal.in/business/cloud-is-now-fundamental-backbone-of-any-enterprise-says-hcl-tech-cto clown computing = lexicon of the misinformed or the dishonest marketeer
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14:27 TR Bot; Cloud is now fundamental backbone of any enterprise, says HCL Tech CTO
14:28 TR News; "Greener Purchasing"!!! GREEEEEEEN !!! CONSUMERISM is GOOD... for the planet! BUY MORE! Save the world. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220427005600/en/Office-Depot-Celebrates-Organizations-for-Their-Leadership-in-Greener-Purchasing
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14:28 TR Bot; Office Depot Celebrates Organizations for Their Leadership in Greener Purchasing | Business Wire
14:29 TR News; Most households don't have "Macs" and other Apple stuff; this ought not be enabled by default https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/qnap-warns-users-to-disable-afp-until-it-fixes-critical-bugs/
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14:29 TR Bot; QNAP warns users to disable AFP until it fixes critical bugs
14:31 TR News; It's not up to you. Ask Monica Lewinsky https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crossroads-lab/article260177445.html
14:32 TR News; Trying to FORCE people to think of you positively is hallmark of autocracy, like Putin in Russia...
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14:33 TR News; Putin: In Russia, only foreign agents oppose me. Or: In Russia, everyone who opposes Putin gets labeled "foreign agent".
14:34 TR News; Microsoft: people who call out our crimes are "Microsoft haters"
14:36 TR News; "Following a dolphin attack on a Miami Seaquarium trainer, the ethics of keeping animals captive at marine parks and aquariums comes into question" https://plantbasednews.org/opinion/opinion-piece/dolphin-attack-miami-animals-captivity/
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14:37 TR News; "The base has not been operational since 2020 because of the Covid-19 pandemic, but the museum has been left unlocked for curious individual visitors." https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/work/antarctic-post-office-job-ad-details-unique-working-conditions/news-story/bfe1b2634991db6d5ef46b43a2c6a7b9
14:42 TR News; There are more people still using Windows XP than users of Vista 11. They should migrate to GNU/Linux on the same hardware. https://www.trustedreviews.com/explainer/why-you-need-to-keep-your-operating-system-up-to-date-4227163
14:42 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: trustedreviews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.trustedreviews.com/explainer/why-you-need-to-keep-your-operating-system-up-to-date-4227163 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.trustedreviews.com/explainer/why-you-need-to-keep-your-operating-system-up-to-date-4227163
14:42 TR News; "GNU/Linux operating systems handle lifecycle in a variety of ways, from from rolling release distributions like Arch, which dont have a formal release lifecycle but instead release small incremental updates, to long-term support (LTS) versions." https://www.trustedreviews.com/explainer/why-you-need-to-keep-your-operating-system-up-to-date-4227163
14:42 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: trustedreviews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.trustedreviews.com/explainer/why-you-need-to-keep-your-operating-system-up-to-date-4227163 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.trustedreviews.com/explainer/why-you-need-to-keep-your-operating-system-up-to-date-4227163
14:43 TR News; He should APOLOGISE to them, not just pardon them https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3619191/sisi-pardons-more-3000-egyptian-inmates
14:43 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: aawsat.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3619191/sisi-pardons-more-3000-egyptian-inmates https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3619191/sisi-pardons-more-3000-egyptian-inmates
14:46 TR News; "Ubuntu and other GNU/Linux distributions." https://liliputing.com/2022/04/chuwi-rzbox-2022-mini-pc-with-ryzen-7-5800h-coming-soon.html but does Chuwi still pre-install Microsoft's malware? If not, then this is progress.
14:46 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: liliputing.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://liliputing.com/2022/04/chuwi-rzbox-2022-mini-pc-with-ryzen-7-5800h-coming-soon.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://liliputing.com/2022/04/chuwi-rzbox-2022-mini-pc-with-ryzen-7-5800h-coming-soon.html
14:49 TR News; This Privacy-Focused Phone Doesnt Have Gulag Services http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163909#comment-33509
14:50 TR News; ICBM and Microsoft will pass out seeing this job ad. Or not... they're just concern-trolling the communities they're attacking, by asserting "MASTER" is racist https://it-online.co.za/2022/04/26/developer-python-master-at-parvana-recruitment-7/
14:51 TR News; "May 1995 Sun releases Java, a programming language intended to let programmers write once, run everywhere. It was originally developed by James Gosling and others at Sun to allow interactive applications to be downloaded to digital cable television boxes." https://www.forbes.com/sites/gilpress/2022/04/26/modern-computing-a-short-history-1945-2022/
14:51 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/gilpress/2022/04/26/modern-computing-a-short-history-1945-2022/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.forbes.com/sites/gilpress/2022/04/26/modern-computing-a-short-history-1945-2022/
14:53 TR News; In the Battle Over the Right to Repair, Open-Source Tractors Offer an Alternative | Civil Eats https://civileats.com/2022/04/27/right-to-repair-open-source-tractors-john-deere-oggun-farms-profitability-technology/ Source: civileats
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14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 77.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.08
15:00 TR News; Aggression, White Lies and Mass Deception Wont Help the EPO Survive | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-cant-survive-like-this/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-cant-survive-like-this/
15:27 TR News; GitHub Isnt Git But an Attack on Git (Just Like WSL is an Attack on GNU/Linux) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/github-stockholm-syndrome/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/github-stockholm-syndrome/
15:50 TR News; If the EPO is a Corporation, Why Cant I Buy EPO Shares in Wall Street or Take It to Court? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-corporation/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-corporation/
15:56 TR News; Fakecoins??? https://www.investing.com/news/cryptocurrency-news/what-major-sports-are-paying-athletes-in-crypto-2811919
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15:57 TR News; Support for proprietary Apple file system https://thehackernews.com/2022/04/qnap-advises-to-mitigate-remote-hacking.html
15:57 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: thehackernews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thehackernews.com/2022/04/qnap-advises-to-mitigate-remote-hacking.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://thehackernews.com/2022/04/qnap-advises-to-mitigate-remote-hacking.html
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15:59 TR News; "Sponsored Feature" and "Sponsored by Intel" so Timothy Prickett Morgan not only takes ICBM bribes for his ICBM (IBM) puff pieces. This is ongoing corruption of the media, turning the Web into webSPAM. https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/04/28/the-hyperscalers-point-the-way-to-integrated-ai-stacks/
15:59 TR News; Most [number] best [something] 'articles' on the Web are paid-for SPAM.
16:00 TR News; Most households don't have "Macs" and other Apple stuff; this ought not be enabled by default https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/04/29/nas-devices-vulnerabilities/
16:01 TR News; MOST of what the "media" recently called "Linux" flaw was actually systemd. And the flaw was not severe. That helped distract from MANY Microsoft ZERO-DAY flaws that were CRITICAL and ACTIVELY exploited.
16:03 TR News; Corrupt media shilling Windows stuff, employing Microsoft media operatives, too. "CEO Jimmy Tam spoke to B&F about his US-based company..." (yeah, puff piece in 'interview' clothing) https://blocksandfiles.com/2022/04/29/peer-software-replication-spawning-more-features/
16:03 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: blocksandfiles.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blocksandfiles.com/2022/04/29/peer-software-replication-spawning-more-features/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://blocksandfiles.com/2022/04/29/peer-software-replication-spawning-more-features/
16:11 TR News; Job WEBSPAM disguised as "article" with misleading headline https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-python-developer-jobs-coders-should-apply-for-in-may-2022/
16:13 TR News; While the assertion here may be true, it's sad they quote a Microsoft proxy (Microsoft puts back doors in things and then uses this proxy to deflect/pass blame to "Open Source") Cybersecurityskills shortagenot only continues to give C-level executives migraine but also links to many breaches,Fortinets recent reportfound.
16:14 TR News; While the assertion here may be true, it's sad they quote a Microsoft proxy (Microsoft puts back doors in things and then uses this proxy to deflect/pass blame to "Open Source") https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/fortinet-80-of-breaches-attributed-to-cybersecurity-skills-gap/2022/04/
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16:15 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
16:17 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/04/26/quantum-ransomware/
16:17 TR Bot; Meteoric attack deploys Quantum ransomware in mere hours - Help Net Security
16:19 TR News; So-called "fitness tracker"... mass surveillance propr disguised as "health" and "safety" https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/apr/30/michael-horvath-strava-co-founder-profile
16:19 TR Bot; Michael Horvath: the Strava co-founder whos pacing himself | Technology sector | The Guardian
16:20 TR News; IBMer who died https://www.livemint.com/news/india/immigrant-from-india-headed-us-software-firms-11651296202674.html
16:20 TR Bot; Immigrant From India Headed Us Software Firms | Mint
16:21 TR News; "He signed on as employee No. 17 at what became the software giant Oracle Corp. He launched his own software company, Gupta Technologies Inc., in 1984. Initially successful, that business floundered in the mid-1990s as Oracle and Microsoft Corp. muscled into its niche." https://www.livemint.com/news/india/immigrant-from-india-headed-us-software-firms-11651296202674.html
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16:26 TR News; According to statcounter, GNU/Linux has higher share than Apple in Poland, not even counting Android as "Linux"
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16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 69.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 328.65
17:37 TR News; Jim Zemlin defends Microsoft from actual users of GNU/Linux (not him!) instead of defending us from Microsoft and its crimes. To these people who speak of "Code of Conduct", crime is the thing to defend and people who oppose crimes should be punished.
17:38 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-24-22-14.jpg
17:38 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-24-22-14.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-24-22-14.jpg
17:43 TR News; : The EPO has rebranded job titles/roles as if it is a private company and the EU agrees; what on Earth is going on here? Is the EPO an investment bank? http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-corporation/
17:43 TR Bot; If the EPO is a Corporation, Why Cant I Buy EPO Shares in Wall Street or Take It to Court? | Techrights
17:43 TR News; Reminder that any time you tell developers and projects to delete GitHub (and use something free, instead) you are helping Software Freedom, even if users and development groups are hesistant and apprehensive, unwilling to leave, certainly at first (Stockholm Syndrome) http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/github-stockholm-syndrome/
17:43 TR Bot; GitHub Isnt Git But an Attack on Git (Just Like WSL is an Attack on GNU/Linux) | Techrights
17:44 TR News; The management style in Europes second-largest institution (and largest patent office) has already resulted in a mass exodus or brain drain; at this point the EPO cannot recruit highly-skilled staff which meets the standards set by the EPC and patents are being granted in violation of the EPC http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/epo-cant-survive-like-this/
17:44 TR Bot; Aggression, White Lies and Mass Deception Wont Help the EPO Survive | Techrights
17:46 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164363
17:46 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
17:48 TR News; Kerala, so I assume this is Free/libre software https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/kozhikode/ults-to-update-kozhikode-corporations-suvega-software/article65353306.ece
17:48 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: thehindu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/kozhikode/ults-to-update-kozhikode-corporations-suvega-software/article65353306.ece https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/kozhikode/ults-to-update-kozhikode-corporations-suvega-software/article65353306.ece
17:48 TR Bot; ULTS to update Kozhikode Corporations Suvega software - The Hindu
17:49 TR News; Bitwarden Review: The Best Free Password Manager for 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164364
17:49 TR Bot; Bitwarden Review: The Best Free Password Manager for 2022 | Tux Machines
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17:51 TR News; Spotify Pays for Free Software 1,000 Less Than It Paid Rogan http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164273#comment-33510
17:51 TR Bot; Spotify FOSS Fund | Tux Machines
17:51 TR News; Bloomberg and Bezos: US has no people who are smart, so we need to import cheap labour https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/america-must-workharder-for-homegrown-talent/2022/05/01/75a6bcf2-c94f-11ec-b7ee-74f09d827ca6_story.html
17:51 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/america-must-workharder-for-homegrown-talent/2022/05/01/75a6bcf2-c94f-11ec-b7ee-74f09d827ca6_story.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/america-must-workharder-for-homegrown-talent/2022/05/01/75a6bcf2-c94f-11ec-b7ee-74f09d827ca6_story.html
17:51 TR Bot; America Must WorkHarder for Homegrown Talent - The Washington Post
17:53 TR News; It's easy to oppose war crime when you never hold yourself accountable (for example, see Jim Zemlin Syndrome) https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3622241/us-condemns-tadamon-massacre-syria-demands-accountability
17:53 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: aawsat.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3622241/us-condemns-tadamon-massacre-syria-demands-accountability https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3622241/us-condemns-tadamon-massacre-syria-demands-accountability
17:53 TR Bot; US Condemns Tadamon Massacre In Syria, Demands Accountability | Asharq AL-awsat
17:54 TR News; US demands accountability for war crimes ~= Linux Foundation subjects people to Code of Conduct while taking bribes from criminals to shield those criminals from their critics. http://techrights.org/2022/04/15/code-of-conduct-in-action/
17:54 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation Does Not Want You to See How a Code of Conduct is Actually Enforced at Its Events | Techrights
17:55 bnchs; i'm testing cloudflare detection with phIRCe in #bnchs-test
17:56 TR News; "Supposedly to protect the citizenry and the state from unscrupulous swindlers and outright fraudsters, this vast machinery of impediments makes doing business in India nothing short of a nightmare." https://www.livemint.com/opinion/online-views/we-need-freedom-from-the-grip-of-regulations-and-compliances-11650903529758.html
17:57 TR Bot; Free India From The Grip Of Regulations And Compliances | Mint
17:58 TR News; Ukraine has become a CATCH-ALL EXCUSE for all industries, not just the energy sector that now plunders BILLIONS of human beings every day https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/roche-delays-dmd-drug-deadline-while-trying-prevent-ms-trials-becoming-casualty-ukraine-war
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17:58 TR Bot; Roche delays DMD drug, amends MS trials in face of Ukraine war
17:59 TR News; I saw people moving from Microsoft to other companies, so engaging in criminal activities does not prevent you from going into companies to carry on with the crimes https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crossroads-lab/article260177445.html
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18:03 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
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18:06 matey; bnchs i'm testing cloudflare detection with phIRCe in #bnchs-test
18:06 matey; ciik
18:06 matey; cool
18:07 matey; not anymore i guess
18:07 matey; (matey = #bnchs-tes): @matey
18:07 matey; oh, duh
18:08 matey; /me joins #bnchs-test not just "#bnchs-tes"
18:10 matey; http://techrights.org/irc-channel/
18:10 TR Bot; IRC Channels | Techrights
18:10 matey; (wrong channel)
18:10 matey; ill get the hang of it
18:11 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164365
18:11 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
18:12 TR News; Plamo 7.4 is out https://www.plamolinux.org/posts/2022-04-30-plamo-7.4-release/ Slackware derivative from Japan.
18:12 TR Bot; Plamo 7.4 - Plamo Linux
18:12 matey; /me eats another chili and wakes up
18:15 *psydruid wonders if matey has been sabotaged from the inside
18:15 matey; no, its only a thai one
18:15 matey; sabotage requires ghost peppers or (higher scale) scotch bonnets
18:16 psydruid; it's good to hear that the harfbuzz boys didn't come out to get you
18:16 matey; /me may have just broken part of a tooth though
18:16 matey; not as bad as it sounds, brb
18:17 TR News; FakeCoins https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldelcastillo/2022/04/27/edward-snowden-revealed-as-key-participant-in-mysterious-ceremony-creating-2-billion-anonymous-cryptocurrency/
18:17 TR Bot; Edward Snowden Revealed As Key Participant In Mysterious Ceremony Creating $2 Billion Anonymous Cryptocurrency
18:17 TR News; Two aggressive companies which infiltrated the board of the so-called "Linux" Foundation whilst attacking LINUX ITSELF https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2022/4/ericsson-and-vmware-expand-their-collaboration--curious-to-find-out-more
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18:17 TR Bot; and VMware expand their collaboration - Ericsson
18:18 matey; just a seed
18:18 matey; ive got this tooth, its no problem, you cant see it
18:19 TR News; ExTiX Mini Build 220501 with LXQt and kernel 5.17.2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164366
18:19 TR Bot; ExTiX Mini Build 220501 with LXQt and kernel 5.17.2 | Tux Machines
18:19 matey; id explain more but it isnt necessary
18:19 matey; all the front ones are fine
18:20 TR News; Proprietary software should not be permitted in medical devices https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/04/w26866488/blackberry-strengthens-medical-device-software-portfolio-with-qnx-hypervisor-2-2-for-safety
18:20 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: benzinga.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/04/w26866488/blackberry-strengthens-medical-device-software-portfolio-with-qnx-hypervisor-2-2-for-safety https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/04/w26866488/blackberry-strengthens-medical-device-software-portfolio-with-qnx-hypervisor-2-2-for-safety
18:21 TR Bot; Strengthens Medical Device Software Portfolio with QNX Hypervisor 2.2 for Safety - Benzinga
18:21 TR News; Brains On Code: EU funding in the millions for pioneering research on brain activity during program comprehension https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/950837
18:21 TR Bot; Brains On Code: EU funding in the millions fo | EurekAlert!
18:22 matey; /me waits for the bot to reply
18:22 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-24-22-13.jpg
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18:26 TR News; Education Budgets Begin Movement in Legislature (Michigan Education Association) https://mea.org/education-budgets-begin-movement-in-legislature/ "Governor recommended a $18.4 billion plan for PK-12 schools for the coming year" (a drop in the bucket compared to war budget)
18:26 TR Bot; Education Budgets Begin Movement in Legislature - Michigan Education Association
18:27 TR News; Fake currency in fake privacy "App" (you are the product) https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/telegram-crypto-payments
18:27 TR Bot; now supports Toncoin crypto payments - Protocol
18:29 TR News; Quit calling fakecoins "Crypto"; that has nothing to do with cryptology, it's just a cryptic scheme designed to entice fools to pump REAL money into it, based on FOMO tactics https://cointelegraph.com/news/crypto-advocate-mounts-challenge-to-longtime-silicon-valley-congresswoman
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18:29 TR Bot; Crypto advocate mounts challenge to longtime Silicon Valley Congresswoman
18:29 TR News; Nasdaq also helps promote schemes and scams on the WWW https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/crypto-may-be-coming-to-your-401k-heres-what-to-know-now
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18:31 TR News; 2008: OK, the economic systems are collapsing. Are you SURE you want a pension? 2022: OK, those of you who survived COVID-19, how about if you get paid in speculative scheme money instead?
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18:33 matey; dancing in a debian logo of candles https://yewtu.be/watch?v=svWINSRhQU0
18:33 TR Bot; The Police - Wrapped Around Your Finger - Invidious
18:34 TR News; The rise of fakecoin seems to be a symptom or side effect of disinformation thriving on the WWW and social control media
18:35 matey; "ill be wrapped around your finger, ill be wrapped around your finger"
18:36 TR News; LOL!! Companies comparing their performance now to LOCK-DOWNS. To fake "growth" or "recovery". It's like comparing deathbed in hospital to the same at home.
18:36 matey; "mephistopheles is not your name, i know what youre up to just the same"
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18:37 matey; /me really just wanted to hear the awesome guitar riff
18:37 TR News; The first paragraph is all lies. They just recovered from LOCK-DOWNS. They still do badly. This whole sector is like t he airline "industry" https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220426006317/en/Mercedes-Benz-Q1-Profit-Rises-as-Pricing-Power-and-Resilience-Offset-Headwinds
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18:37 TR Bot; Mercedes-Benz Q1 Profit Rises as Pricing Power and Resilience Offset Headwinds | Business Wire
18:37 matey; ive never seen the video, its a bonus
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18:38 matey; ooh, he knocks all the candles down
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18:38 matey; at one point sting wanted to get into acting, and his songs and videos got really dramatic
18:38 matey; the band was like *eyeroll* whatever
18:38 DaemonFC; The price of coffee has gone up 40% this year.
18:38 matey; as long as its not king of pain. they fucking hate that one
18:39 DaemonFC; "What inflation?"
18:39 matey; /me bought 900k of tea for less than $20, is set for a while
18:39 matey; GOOD tea
18:39 TR News; Microsoft proxy Black Duck puts its FUD in more and more site, including sponsored spam https://www.supplychainbrain.com/blogs/1-think-tank/post/34847-building-security-into-your-digital-supply-chain who are they? See http://techrights.org/wiki/Black_Duck
18:39 TR Bot; Security Into Your Digital Supply Chain | SupplyChainBrain
18:39 TR Bot; Black Duck - Techrights
18:39 DaemonFC; So I've decided to go back to those "K-Cup" machines just because I had a spare "My K-Cup" pod and it works with a generic single serve brewer I found really cheap.
18:39 DaemonFC; So I can avoid wasting any coffee.
18:39 matey; instant coffee at chain store has gone down in price
18:40 DaemonFC; Yeah, I have some instant too.
18:40 DaemonFC; That didn't get hit as hard.
18:40 matey; i dont know why, i dont doubt the claim about 40% increase
18:40 matey; <DaemonFC> That didn't get hit as hard <- weird
18:40 DaemonFC; But that was before I saw them clearancing out the cheap-o K-Cup compatible.
18:40 DaemonFC; They use lower grade coffee in instant.
18:40 matey; not surprising
18:40 DaemonFC; It's stuff that they couldn't sell as auto drip anyway.
18:41 matey; heh
18:41 DaemonFC; So they spray dry it because people figure Instant will taste off.
18:41 matey; how does spray dry work
18:41 TR News; Avast isn't known for security but for spreading malware disguised or marketed as "security". Don't install proprietary software for 'security' https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/avast-one-avast-free-antivirus-and-avast-secure-browser-win-anti-phishing-tests-301533830.html see https://palant.info/2019/10/28/avast-online-security-and-avast-secure-browser-are-spying-on-you/
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18:41 TR Bot; Avast One, Avast Free Antivirus and Avast Secure Browser Win Anti-Phishing Tests
18:41 TR Bot; Avast Online Security and Avast Secure Browser are spying on you | Almost Secure
18:42 matey; /me reads and re-reads title
18:42 matey; double take
18:42 matey; first time was worse
18:42 TR News; "Cohen allowed KHN to review error reports after redacting information that identified the hospitals involved. Those reports revealed mix-ups of anesthetics, antibiotics, blood pressure medicine, hormones, muscle relaxers, and a drug used to reverse the effects of sedatives." https://www.physiciansweekly.com/at-us-hospitals-a-drug-mix-up-is-just-a-few-keystrokes-away/
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18:42 TR Bot; At US Hospitals, a Drug Mix-Up Is Just a Few Keystrokes Away - Physician's Weekly
18:43 matey; /me is reading two channels at the same time
18:43 matey; #techrights #bnchs-test
18:43 TR News; Gulag is still bleeding like a dragon there. MILLION IN LOSSES each and every quarter. https://www.protocol.com/enterprise/google-cloud-istio-cncf
18:43 TR Bot; Cloud to submit Istio service mesh project to CNCF - Protocol
18:44 DaemonFC; Basically they roast and brew the beans and then they use an evaporation process to remove most of the water and create a liquid that's as thick as motor oil, and then they reserve some of the volatile oils that escaped and blend it back in with the concentrate.
18:44 matey; yummy
18:44 DaemonFC; Then you can go two ways from there. You can box it up and vacuum seal it and put it in vending machines to be blended with hot water.
18:45 TR News; Gulag keeps shutting down a lot more things (sometimes companies whose products it bought) than it keeps. It copied this attitude from Microsoft. Gulag Voice it the latest example and "modern experience" is code for WORSE/WORSE experience, cheaper for Gulag.
18:46 matey; /me bought instant when low on tea, but probably wont be low on a tea for a while
18:46 DaemonFC; Or you can send through a tower that "atomizes" it with "drying gases" and then the remainder is sent through a centrifuge that separates it into a fine powder.
18:46 matey; every once in a while i get lazy and mix some instant with chocolate powder
18:46 matey; instant mocha
18:46 DaemonFC; Then a little bit of water is added back so it clumps up, and then you dry it again.
18:46 TR News; Clown computing is for people with their head in the cloud. It's not a compliment. Those people never think far ahead; instant gratification before long-term tech famine.
18:46 TR News; Giant spying devices 'for free' https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a39817148/microconsoles-history/
18:46 TR Bot; History of Microconsoles | Best Microconsoles 2022
18:47 DaemonFC; Spray drying coffee is leftover military tech from the second world war.
18:47 matey; i was sure they just freeze dried it
18:47 matey; but i guess that would be dustier
18:47 DaemonFC; They did that too in earlier wars.
18:47 DaemonFC; The problem with getting coffee to the soldiers is you have a lot of soldiers and you need shelf stable coffee that doesn't waste any shipping space.
18:47 matey; it never occured to me there might be a second process SIMILAR to freeze drying
18:48 DaemonFC; Because the Nazis are out there sinking supply ships.
18:48 matey; indeed
18:48 DaemonFC; So you need to get as much coffee to them as efficiently as possible.
18:48 TR News; HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI procurement https://www.auntminnieeurope.com/index.aspx?sec=log&URL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.auntminnieeurope.com%2Findex.aspx%3Fsec%3Dsup%26sub%3Daic%26pag%3Ddis%26ItemID%3D621432
18:48 TR Bot; Harvey gives top tips on how to approach AI procurement
18:48 DaemonFC; Many of the soldiers didn't even mix the coffee like you're supposed to anyway.
18:49 matey; now they have much more powerful stimulants, but we arent supposed to talk about that :)
18:49 DaemonFC; They'd tear open the packets and eat the instant coffee crystals.
18:49 DaemonFC; If you fall asleep, the enemy can sneak up and kill you.
18:49 matey; or just mix them with water and powdered milk in your mouth like mr bean :)
18:49 DaemonFC; So if you don't want that to happen, get some coffee in you, somehow.
18:49 matey; indeed
18:50 DaemonFC; Oh yeah, by the time of the Korean and Vietnam Wars, pilots had an emergency kit in their planes.
18:50 matey; im no military expert, but i would imagine having people in charge of keeping watch also helps
18:50 DaemonFC; It included straight up Amphetamine capsules.
18:51 matey; they have those other ones now
18:51 matey; not entirely different from amphetamines
18:51 matey; kids use them during exams
18:51 DaemonFC; If you crash behind enemy lines, they're looking for you, they will torture and kill you.
18:51 DaemonFC; So what do you give the pilot?
18:51 DaemonFC; Amphetamines and cyanide.
18:51 matey; right
18:51 matey; good idea imo
18:52 DaemonFC; He stays moving and runs for several days and shoots anyone who gets in the way or he gets caught and swallows the cyanide so they can't torture him to death.
18:52 matey; exactly
18:52 TR News; It's not so much the Wi-Fi that's the risk but your devices (back doors) and things you access with it https://www.pcworld.com/article/693643/4-things-you-should-do-to-stay-safe-on-public-wi-fi.html
18:52 TR Bot; ways to stay safe on public Wi-Fi | PCWorld
18:54 TR News; IDG assumes you use Windows (back doors) and Chrome (malware), then tries to sell you VPN. What a bunch of crock. The media is run by scammers and salespeople pushing snakeoil.
18:54 matey; adderall
18:54 matey; https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/using-stimulants-cram-exams-ruins-sleep-and-doesnt-help-test-scores
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18:54 TR Bot; Using stimulants to cram for exams ruins sleep and doesn't help test scores | University of California
18:54 matey; better for survival than test scores, maybe
18:55 TR News; MiamiCoin???? "participants the opportunity acquire knowledge and skills in Web3"... OK, when you see "Web3" you DO know it IS a scheme/scam https://news.mdc.edu/press_release/mdcs-bit-center-partners-with-citycoins-venture-miami-and-stacks-foundation-to-offer-free-miamicoin-developer-course-starting-may-9/ http://techrights.org/2022/01/29/web3-is-bullshit/
18:55 TR Bot; MDCs BIT Center Partners with CityCoins, Venture Miami and Stacks Foundation to Offer Free MiamiCoin Developer Course Starting May 9 | MDC News
18:55 TR Bot; Aral Balkan: Web3 is Bullshit | Techrights
18:55 matey; it can cause huge lapses in attention, so its better for soldiers on the run than shift workers
18:55 matey; says the article
18:55 DaemonFC; Yeah. So, he had that, a gun, a medkit, and some, well basically, powerbars a canteen, and a water treatment kit that would kill off pathogens and parasites.
18:56 matey; but also not overworking medical staff would help too
18:56 DaemonFC; Nothing appetizing, but it wouldn't weight you down and you could maybe use the map and compass to run across the border into a country we're not at war with.
18:56 TR News; Now they can jack up the prices some more to rip off your pet like you're already ripped off because "COVID" something and "Ukraine" something https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/04/27/2430596/0/en/Marel-to-acquire-Wenger-a-global-leader-in-processing-solutions-for-pet-food-plant-based-proteins-and-aqua-feed.html
18:56 TR Bot; Marel to acquire Wenger, a global leader in processing
18:56 matey; /me doesnt belineve in cryptocurrency, but hasnt reached a final verdict
18:56 DaemonFC; The United States is already in a terrible recession.
18:57 TR News; Business Insider publishes corporate webspam! https://africa.businessinsider.com/careers/meat-giant-tyson-foods-will-spend-dollar60-million-to-give-its-employees-free/rlky6r7
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18:57 TR Bot; Meat giant Tyson Foods will spend $60 million to give its employees free education, including college degrees | Business Insider Africa
18:57 matey; capitalism is falling apart
18:57 DaemonFC; And they're bullshitting us with excuses as to why it isn't a recession or why it won't be that bad of a recession.
18:57 matey; everyone is at war with everyone, and in war, central economic planning is used more than free markets
18:57 DaemonFC; Keynesian Economics is total bullshit.
18:57 matey; yep
18:57 DaemonFC; Until the 1970s, Keynesians said you flat out could not have both economic contractions _and_ inflation.
18:57 DaemonFC; And right now it's happening AGAIN.
18:58 DaemonFC; But Keynesians still dominate our politics and are driving us over another cliff.
18:58 DaemonFC; And prescribing the same medicine that keeps making it worse.
18:58 matey; no one knows economics is bullshit more than economists
18:58 matey; its like someone is handing them a scientology book and saying "just tell them it works"
18:58 matey; "thats your job"
18:58 DaemonFC; Richard Stallman is a proponent of Keynesian Economics.
18:59 matey; he doesnt know shit about that stuff
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 46.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 348.73
18:59 matey; he really doesnt
18:59 TR News; The Web is FULL of scams. They want what's LEFT of your REAL (borrowed?) money. Come on, give us REAL dollars for NFTs!! Linux Foundation: NFTs are OK, just need to be more GREEEEEEEEN! Business Insider publishes corporate webspam! https://africa.businessinsider.com/careers/meat-giant-tyson-foods-will-spend-dollar60-million-to-give-its-employees-free/rlky6r7
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18:59 DaemonFC; He thinks that when the economy is bad that the government can just print its way out of the problem, even though that hasn't worked in any country that did it.
18:59 DaemonFC; It did send Japan into 300% debt to GDP or more, when you use GAAP accounting practices.
18:59 matey; anytime he strays from computer science, free software and physics, he doesnt know his arse from his elbow
18:59 DaemonFC; And it will do the same to the United States, the UK, and anyone else dumb enough to try it.
19:00 matey; but hes got a right to an opinion, even if its crap
19:00 DaemonFC; It will plunge the world into another Great Depression, and we're already on the verge of most of the countries declaring war on each other again.
19:00 TR News; A silent, slow killer https://www.forbesindia.com/article/take-one-big-story-of-the-day/noise-pollution-when-will-the-government-wake-up/75735/1
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19:00 TR Bot; Forbes India - Environment, Health: Noise Pollution: When Will The Government Wake Up?
19:00 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, ^
19:00 matey; and if it makes you think, cool
19:00 matey; the problem is people dont think
19:00 DaemonFC; The US wants the war in Ukraine to grind on, and so does the UK and most of the EU countries, and the English-speaking world.
19:01 matey; it wont be keynesian economic that tanks the usa
19:01 matey; it will be capitalism
19:01 TR News; Travel (flight etc.) industry is dying. It already struggled a lot BEFORE COVID-19 and Nasdaq helps them find a more malicious business model akin to DRM/streaming. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/subscriptions-are-coming-to-travel-should-you-get-on-board
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19:01 matey; but richard stallmans take on economics wont do shit about it
19:01 DaemonFC; We see it as a chance to mortally wound Russia's military without having to go to war ourselves, so that they're so softened up that the only thing they have left are nukes that we can retaliate against.
19:01 matey; hes really not very educated in the subject in the first place
19:02 matey; people have the things theyre good at
19:02 matey; then they have the things they really know fuck all about
19:02 matey; as long as you dont mix up the two, youre good
19:02 DaemonFC; Ukraine's government said yesterday that they already downed more than 250 Russian planes, and have blown up over 2,500 armored fighting vehicles and over 1,000 tanks.
19:02 DaemonFC; So that's quite a lot of damage using "defensive" weapons shipments from the west.
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19:03 matey; bad strategy is bad strategy no matter what sort of equipment is used
19:03 DaemonFC; Ukraine is a graveyard of Russian armor (and Russians), but at a terrible cost to the Ukrainian people, sadly.
19:03 TR News; Elon Musk: I shall buy Twitter for "free speech" and a fleet of 10,000 737s MAX for "free FALLS"
19:03 DaemonFC; I don't know whether the reports that Putin has some sort of Parkinson's like disease are true or not.
19:04 TR News; "Python is undeniably one of the most popular programming languages on the planet. Businesses may now reach their goals more easily than ever before thanks to Python." https://anithing-everything.medium.com/top-10-websites-to-learn-python-for-free-in-2022-f6a1d2224d2e
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19:04 matey; oh, they always say that when they want to get rid of someone
19:04 matey; so maybe theyre plotting a coup now
19:04 matey; good idea, its time
19:04 matey; stalin may have been murdered
19:05 matey; he was planning to ice all the top brass, his own most trusted people
19:05 matey; quick ticket to a grave, that is
19:05 matey; putin is just as insane
19:05 matey; absolute power creates paranoia
19:05 TR News; "Climate Neutrality by 2025" = PR nonsense by [some date in the distant future] (when people no longer remember the promises we made or the people who made the promises are deceased already) https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/teamviewer-presents-comprehensive-sustainability-program-c-a-r-e-with-the-goal-to-achieve-climate-neutrality-by-2025-301535333.html Greenwash in capitalism = symptom of criminal mindset
19:05 matey; its funny how having complete power makes you feel LESS safe, not more
19:05 matey; and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
19:05 matey; people werent doing what hitler told them to
19:06 matey; because he kept fucking up, and it was costing the war
19:06 matey; so all the top guys just stopped giving a shit what he said
19:06 matey; this is going to happen to putin
19:06 matey; or the next guy, if there is one
19:06 TR News; Why You Should Block Ads https://www.pcmag.com/picks/best-ad-blockers
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19:06 matey; hopefully he dies soon
19:06 matey; hes gotten to be too much of a liability to everyone, including his own people
19:06 matey; this is stalin all over again
19:06 DaemonFC; Zelenskyy has said that they destroyed so much Russian armor that Putin is having to drag out obsolete equipment that couldn't be used in a war for his military parade on the 9th.
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19:07 matey; and that will be a sign to anyone who knows how full of shit he is
19:07 matey; and how dangerous this is
19:07 matey; and how much this needs to end
19:07 matey; putin is committing suicide
19:07 matey; politically
19:07 matey; but also literally
19:07 DaemonFC; It's hardly a surprise the Russians pulled out of the north and regrouped and came back in places that had "separated" from Ukraine anyway.
19:08 matey; im not saying theyll kill him
19:08 matey; fingers crossed though
19:08 DaemonFC; They figure that they can fortify those positions and use the pretend "republics" as human shields.
19:08 matey; weve been here before.
19:08 matey; russias been here before.
19:08 matey; they know what to do.
19:08 matey; if there are rumours that hes lost it...
19:08 DaemonFC; And while those folks are fighting, the Russians still have the option of bugging out and retreating back into Russia as the territory is recaptured.
19:08 matey; those rumours are a typical prelude to a takedown.
19:08 matey; a lot of the time its not true
19:09 matey; what was doing in stalin was his paranoia
19:09 matey; he would literally tell people "youre looking shifty-eyed today"
19:09 matey; and then that person had a lot more to worry about
19:09 matey; people close to the leader only put up with shit like that for so long
19:09 TR News; Billionaires using their media 'pet projects' for reputation laundering. The list continues to grow. Gates, Ford, Bloomberg, Bezos... https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en/press-releases/2022/april/thomson-reuters-expands-reporting-of-key-metrics-in-2021-social-impact-and-esg-report.html Musk bought a cesspool of misinformation to prop up his scams
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19:09 TR Bot; Thomson Reuters expands reporting of key metrics in 2021 Social Impact & ESG Report | Thomson Reuters
19:10 matey; and people can only obtain so much absolute power until they get that way
19:10 matey; putin would live longer if he ran off to some unpopulated area and took his chances in the wilderness
19:10 TR News; EFF should have said what YOU should do: quit the thing. Instead it's sucking up to a sociopath https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/twitter-has-new-owner-heres-what-he-should-do
19:10 matey; maybe theyd leave him alone
19:10 TR Bot; Twitter Has a New Owner. Heres What He Should Do. | Electronic Frontier Foundation
19:11 matey; the rumours say more about his position than they do about his physical health
19:11 TR News; "Stratton said of the 173-year-old birthplace of Frank Sinatra and site of the first organized baseball game." https://www.seattletimes.com/business/weather-prediction-startups-grow-as-more-volatile-storms-loom/
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19:12 matey; theyre about done with his shit
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19:13 TR News; Thick on buzzwords, light on substance https://www.information-age.com/why-integration-must-be-foundation-for-digital-change-123499255/
19:14 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, A lot of companies are facing such pushback from workers over return to the office that they're still not demanding it even though they said they would.
19:14 DaemonFC; That Allstate building in the burbs, off the tollway, is still a ghost town with very few cars in the lot.
19:14 DaemonFC; Just empty, sitting there with the lights on.
19:15 TR News; It says "SPONSORED"; The so-called 'Linux' Foundation is bribing loads of publishers to publish puff pieces for it, distracting from the abuses https://thenewstack.io/you-cant-hire-your-way-out-of-the-cloud-skills-shortage/ stop calling servers "clowns"
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19:16 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tRYlA5-ARTY
19:16 TR News; "At 23, a Greek from Kavala has already built his own robot for less than $600, produced his own 3D printer, and designed a computer tower that is an eco-friendly, do-it-yourself kit. After a decade of being a trailblazer of innovation, whats next for Dimitris Chatzis?" https://greekreporter.com/2022/04/26/young-greek-tech-whiz-ascos-start-up-greece/
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19:16 matey; hes still more like stalin
19:16 matey; stalin of course, literally blew up the fortifications that protected russie from nazi invasion
19:17 matey; then while they were literally invading, he ignored it while the brass said "wtf, do something"
19:17 matey; and he routinely ordered them to stand down
19:17 matey; because he said those were warning shots, and engaging would start a REAL war
19:17 TR News; If it got this much funding, then it's working FOR the system and it won't challenge "the system" (like patents that curtail genetics). Also, Forbes is Establishment propaganda. https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiejennings/2022/04/26/with-35-million-in-funding-waltz-health-aims-to-lower-drug-prices-working-with--not-against--the-system/
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19:17 matey; so let the nazis invade russia
19:17 matey; MOST bad leaders kill the economy
19:18 matey; stalin literally had it shot
19:18 DaemonFC; KIA Motors Finance is probably not happy about all of those 0% interest loans they signed off on expecting low inflation to continue. Maybe others. Probably others.
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19:18 DaemonFC; When inflation is like 2%, you just say "Hey, we're greasing the deal and we're selling them a really expensive car so we can eat this." and then when the ink is dry, inflation ramps up and you start getting 5 years worth every year and suddenly it's "Oh shit!".
19:18 TR News; Microsoft site hyping up scams https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/financials/cryptocurrency-stocks/solana/
19:18 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: fool.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/financials/cryptocurrency-stocks/solana/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/financials/cryptocurrency-stocks/solana/
19:19 TR News; Investing based on race is known as.... never mind https://www.blackenterprise.com/top-8-black-owned-start-up-tech-companies-to-invest-in-for-2022/
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19:20 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
19:23 TR News; NTFS is ANGER, not "Open-Source Excitement" [sic]. I can't believe he's still doing clickbait and paid-for product promotions, even for Microsoft https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=April-2022-Highlights
19:23 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=April-2022-Highlights https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=April-2022-Highlights
19:23 TR Bot; NTFS, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, Mesa 22.1 & Other April Open-Source Excitement - Phoronix
19:25 DaemonFC; Star Trek has gone unbelievably woke as well too now. At some point in the future there are no white starfleet captains anymore.
19:26 DaemonFC; They had one white commanding officer in Discovery for a while. Lorca. He turned out to be a Terran who was there plotting to take them back to his universe to conquer the Empire. So of course they'd make him the bad guy.
19:26 DaemonFC; White men in Sci Fi have to be the bad guy now because reasons. Unless they're gay.
19:26 TR News; Raspberry Slideshow 15.1 is out https://www.binaryemotions.com/digital-signage-systems/raspberry-slideshow/
19:26 TR Bot; Raspberry Slideshow Binary Emotions
19:28 DaemonFC; But that is a reflection of the way reality is going now.
19:29 DaemonFC; You can't get anywhere near a position of power in most organizations unless you tick a lot of (what should be) irrelevant boxes.
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19:30 DaemonFC; As such, leadership quality in most organizations is suffering because they're no longer as concerned with excellence as they are with projecting that they're "with the times".
19:31 DaemonFC; https://lifehacker.com/how-much-money-can-you-save-by-cutting-your-own-hair-1833776472
19:31 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: lifehacker.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lifehacker.com/how-much-money-can-you-save-by-cutting-your-own-hair-1833776472 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://lifehacker.com/how-much-money-can-you-save-by-cutting-your-own-hair-1833776472
19:31 TR Bot; How Much Money Can You Save by Cutting Your Own Hair?
19:31 DaemonFC; An unbelievable amount of money, especially considering inflation.
19:32 DaemonFC; I haven't gone anywhere for a haircut since COVID began, at first because I didn't want some random stranger who may very well e infected breathing down my neck.
19:33 TR News; Purism Librem 14 review (part 1): The ethical flagship Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164367
19:33 TR Bot; Purism Librem 14 review (part 1): The ethical flagship | Tux Machines
19:34 DaemonFC; But then I realized that even at Great Clips, they want $22 now unless you catch them on some promotion where you can buy like 12 haircuts all at once and then it's like $12.99 each, but you have to lay out $168.35 all at once, and then you can only go there for a year. You still have to tip ($5-6 maybe?) and then there's the gas and time out of your day. That all has to factor in, because it's never going to be exactly along where you're
19:34 DaemonFC; heading anyway. And gas is expensive.
19:35 TR News; Nathan Willis: Engaging with the OSI Elections 2022.1 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164368 OSI infested with Microsoft and friends, opponents of Open Source
19:35 TR Bot; Nathan Willis: Engaging with the OSI Elections 2022.1 | Tux Machines
19:35 DaemonFC; Some people with long hair can go a while between trims, but I've never had long hair and can't stand going more than about 30 days.
19:37 TR News; Gulag Handover: "This driver handles the telephony phone mute HID usage by ignoring it. This avoids the default handling by the hid-input driver which is to map this to a KEY_MICMUTE event." https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/hid/hid.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=e9c8c7c43b51b277026f94a1175c605436c7c829
19:37 TR Bot; kernel/git/hid/hid.git - HID Group's fork of hid.git
19:37 DaemonFC; Those waterless car washes don't just save the money vs. putting a $10 bill in the machine every week. You burn about a gallon of gas every hour your engine is idling, and it takes about 10-12 minutes to wait and then get pushed through the system each week. So 5 weeks = 1 gallon of gas. 52 weeks in a years, Call it 10.5 gallons of gas wasted, at $4.29 a gallon or so.
19:37 DaemonFC; So there went another $50 just burning gas while the machine pushes you through the wash.
19:39 TR News; OSI cannot be redeemed. It's vendor-captured like Linux Foundation. Once they collapse, things won't be pretty (orphaned things). But the point is to cause the disruption. That's why Pentagon-funded companies attack these orgs so viciously. They can obliterate them using 'slush funds'.
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19:42 TR News; "As suspicious questions on IRC and Discord revealed, there are quite a few solutions to the PWC that are not made public. One question in particular indicates that there is a build-in missing in Raku." https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2022/05/01/antipairing/
19:42 TR Bot; Antipairing | Playing Perl 6b6xA Raku
19:43 TR News; "Since a few years I am also managing tlcontrib the supplementary TeX Live package repository. [..] Bit thanks to all who made this possible, and make the TeX ecosystem even more friendly!" https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/05/tlcontrib-on-ctan/
19:43 TR Bot; TLContrib on CTAN | There and back again
19:44 TR News; "A massive challenge for Europe is when citizens are confronted with disinformation through misleading or openly false information." The EPO, aided by the EU, spreads ILLEGAL disinformation in its own Web site https://dwaves.de/2022/05/01/the-deep-fake-tom-cruise-massive-challenge-for-europe-is-technology-neutral/ see http://techrights.org/2022/04/30/upc-illegal/
19:44 TR Bot; The Deep Fake Tom Cruise Massive challenge for Europe is technology neutral? | dwaves.de
19:44 TR Bot; Lies Are Catching Up With UPC/Unitary Patent Boosters (And Mr. F Word Campinos Misuses the EPO.Org Site to Spread Lies, Shamelessly Promote Illegal Agenda) | Techrights
19:46 TR News; "Due to COVID-19, my ever-increasing workload has kept me away from posting. Also, health issues in the family and my daughter's return to to in-person school classes required my attention. All this has kept me away from here." http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com/2022/05/happy-12th-anniversary.html
19:46 TR Bot; Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Happy 12th Anniversary, MandrivaChronicles!
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19:47 TR News; "another batch of updates came and broke it. Good job, Microsoft! I had to fix it and it took me two days to have the system operational again." http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com/2022/05/happy-12th-anniversary.html
19:49 TR News; "I was hired as a Senior Web Developer on addons.mozilla.org (AMO). I am now a Staff Software Engineer in the Firefox WebExtensions team. I officially joined this team in January. Since then, I became a peer of the Add-ons Manager and WebExtensions modules." https://williamdurand.fr/2022/05/01/moziversary-4/
19:49 TR Bot; Moziversary #4 | William Durand
19:50 TR News; driver core: Add sysfs support for physical location of a device https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/driver-core.git/commit/?h=driver-core-next&id=6423d2951087231706246f81851067f7f0593d4a
19:50 TR Bot; kernel/git/gregkh/driver-core.git - Driver core development git tree
20:03 TR News; "Back at $COMPANY we had an internal meme-site. I had some reputation in my team for creating good memes. When I watched Episode 3 of Season 2 from Yes Premier Minister yesterday, I really missed a place to post memes." https://blog.koch.ro/posts/2022-05-01-missing-memegen.html
20:03 TR Bot; Thomas Koch - Missing memegen
20:04 TR News; OpenStreetMap https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-map-alternatives/
20:04 TR Bot; 12 of the Best Google Maps Alternatives You Should Try - Make Tech Easier
20:17 TR News; Fake patents on software granted by EPO to companies that blackmail GNU/Linux distros https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/21/epo-opposition-filed-against-dolby-patent see http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/
20:17 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/21/epo-opposition-filed-against-dolby-patent https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/21/epo-opposition-filed-against-dolby-patent
20:17 TR Bot; EPO opposition filed against Dolby patent Unified Patents
20:17 TR Bot; Dolby Patents Are Being Used in Patent-Trolling Activity Against GNU/Linux, But Dolby is Said to Be a GPL Violator | Techrights
20:17 TR News; Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) R14.0.12 release is ready! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164369
20:17 TR Bot; Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) R14.0.12 release is ready! | Tux Machines
20:17 TR News; Software Patents again https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/25/lbt-ip-patent-challenged
20:17 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/25/lbt-ip-patent-challenged https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/25/lbt-ip-patent-challenged
20:17 TR Bot; LBT IP II patent challenged Unified Patents
20:18 TR News; Indirectly Microsoft-connected patent troll https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/26/dominion-harbor-entity-liberty-peak-ventures-patent-likely-invalid http://techrights.org/wiki/Dominion_Harbor
20:18 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/26/dominion-harbor-entity-liberty-peak-ventures-patent-likely-invalid https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/26/dominion-harbor-entity-liberty-peak-ventures-patent-likely-invalid
20:18 TR Bot; Dominion Harbor entity Liberty Peak Ventures patent likely invalid Unified Patents
20:18 TR Bot; Dominion Harbor - Techrights
20:19 TR News; Microsoft-connected patent troll https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/29/2000-awarded-for-acacia-subsidiary-prior-art see http://techrights.org/wiki/Acacia
20:19 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/29/2000-awarded-for-acacia-subsidiary-prior-art https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/29/2000-awarded-for-acacia-subsidiary-prior-art
20:19 TR Bot; $2,000 awarded for Acacia subsidiary prior art Unified Patents
20:19 TR Bot; Acacia - Techrights
20:21 TR News; EPO says: "According to the EPO's Patent Index 2021, one in five patent applications to the EPO originating in Europe came from an individual inventor or small or medium-sized enterprise (fewer than 250 employees)." So basically EPO admits it works for megacorporations, at SMEs' expense.
20:22 TR News; Software Patents are nowadays shoehorned by the criminals who hijacked the EPO. They like to dub these "4IR"...
20:24 TR News; System of the megacorporations http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/04/fail-tesla-toyota-honda-file-wrong.html
20:24 TR Bot; FOSS Patents: #FAIL: Tesla, Toyota, Honda file WRONG amicus brief as auto industry, Apploturfers urge Fifth Circuit to resuscitate Continental's 'antitrust' case against Avanci, Nokia, others
20:25 TR News; The corrupt site IAM, taking bribes from the EPO in order to lie, helps calls Software Patents just "CII" https://www.iam-media.com/article/iam-weekly-review-25th-30th-april-2022
20:25 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: iam-media.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.iam-media.com/article/iam-weekly-review-25th-30th-april-2022 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.iam-media.com/article/iam-weekly-review-25th-30th-april-2022
20:25 TR Bot; Via ends wireless pool; Big EPO CII change; More US Avanci licensees soon; ZTE asks court to set 4G FRAND rate; Vidal hints at pharma patent crackdown; plus much more - IAM
20:33 TR News; Orrin Hatch has died? We'll never forget what he did on patents http://techrights.org/2018/06/18/orrin-hatch-pharmaceutical-industry-ptab/ maybe we should patent his coffin and SUE HIM
20:33 TR Bot; Orrin Hatch, Sponsored the Most by the Pharmaceutical Industry, Tries to Make Its Patents Immune From Scrutiny (PTAB) | Techrights
20:34 TR News; European Parliament for megacorporations (a union of oligarchs?) https://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/04/breaking-article-17-of-dsm-directive-is.html
20:34 TR Bot; BREAKING: Article 17 of the DSM Directive is VALID - The IPKat
20:35 TR News; "patents electronics, mobility, designs and SEPs" is what it is. Stop calling everything IP (it's a lie). https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/people-and-business/volkswagen-appoints-new-head-of-ip/
20:35 TR Bot; Volkswagen appoints new head of IP - JUVE Patent
20:42 TR News; IAM is glorifying massive patent trolls https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1187436/upcoming-interdigital-v-lenovo-sepfrand-decision-hsf-interviewed-by-iam see http://techrights.org/2018/03/04/interdigital-and-technicolor/
20:42 TR Bot; Upcoming InterDigital v Lenovo SEP/FRAND Decision HSF Interviewed By IAM - Patent - UK
20:42 TR Bot; A Publicly-Traded Troll, InterDigital, is Trying Hard to Recover Lost Momentum by Adding Tens of Thousands of Technicolor Patents/Applications | Techrights
20:43 TR News; "The text of the Patent Act suggests that obviousness is a straightforward inquiry: find how the claimed invention differs from the prior art and ask whether, based upon those differences, an objective artisan would deem the invention obvious. 35 U.S.C. 103." Far too many US patents are obvious, but only a fraction are tested in court https://patentlyo.com/patent/2022/04/the-advance-meaningful.html
20:43 TR Bot; Is the Advance Meaningful? | Patently-O
20:46 TR News; GloPoWriMo - It's a wrap! gemini://spool-five.com/gemlog/2022-05-01-glopowrimo.gmi
20:47 TR News; The Mauve Shroom Assembly gemini://thurk.org/blog/556.gmi
20:48 TR News; Thoughts on Long-form Content on Gemini gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/longform.gmi
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20:49 TR News; smolZINE - Issue 25 gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/smolzine/smolzine-issue-25.gmi "A quite impressive feat of efficient hardware utilization, this capsule is not only a gemini capsule but also a sensor station for a mushroom farm and all of this is running on an ESP8266 microcontroller off-grid!"
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20:50 DaemonFC; https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/01/europe/russia-farm-vehicles-ukraine-disabled-melitopol-intl/index.html
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20:50 TR Bot; Farm vehicles removed from Ukraine by Russians who find they've been remotely disabled - CNN
20:50 DaemonFC; "Russian troops in the occupied city of Melitopol have stolen all the equipment from a farm equipment dealership -- and shipped it to Chechnya, according to a Ukrainian businessman in the area.
20:50 DaemonFC; But after a journey of more than 700 miles, the thieves were unable to use any of the equipment -- because it had been locked remotely."
20:50 TR News; Finally, Signal on the PinePhone gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/05/01/signal-on-the-pinephone/
20:56 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/05/01/1095466871/biden-polls-democrats-gen-z-midterms
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20:56 TR Bot; Polls show Biden losing support from Gen Z. Some young voters aren't surpris : NPR
20:56 DaemonFC; "
20:56 DaemonFC; The latest polls show Joe Biden is losing the love of younger Americans."
20:56 DaemonFC; His approval rating with them was never above 50%.
20:56 DaemonFC; NPR revisionism.
20:56 CrystalMath; time to hack the firmware on that farm equipment
20:57 DaemonFC; Not surprising, because NPR is biased towards Democrats.
20:57 CrystalMath; this is a job for open source communism power! :)
20:57 DaemonFC; "Climate change, racial justice, and student debt are some of the key issues for young people."
20:57 DaemonFC; Wrong.
20:58 DaemonFC; The fact that you can no longer afford an apartment or gas to run your car to get to work on one income are the top issues right now.
20:58 psydruid; or time to stop buying that farm equipment and let its manufacturer go bankrupt
20:58 CrystalMath; psydruid: nah, it was already stolen, so why not use it
20:58 CrystalMath; let's not be wasteful
20:58 DaemonFC; John Deere has been fighting right to repair.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 6.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 347.91
20:59 psydruid; or time for the government to put an end to these practices
20:59 CrystalMath; we need to overwrite the firmware on that thing
20:59 DaemonFC; And part of the right to repair issue is that they put so much software in there to track and disable the equipment if, you know, the farmer misses a payment.
20:59 psydruid; or time to put an end to the government
20:59 CrystalMath; maybe even replace some controllers
20:59 DaemonFC; And that hobbles the ability of independent mechanics to service it.
21:00 DaemonFC; I doubt the Russians are going to figure out a bypass so they'll probably give up and break them down into parts.
21:00 DaemonFC; If the Russians are using John Deere equipment for their own farms then technically nothing stops the US government from disabling their farming equipment until the war is over.
21:01 DaemonFC; I'm not sure why they wouldn't have already.
21:01 DaemonFC; When you get the Russians unable to harvest their crops that might put pressure on them to negotiate an end to the war.
21:02 DaemonFC; Literally no young Americans who have to rent an apartment or put food on the table are "primarily concerned aout racial justice".
21:02 TR News; Links 01/05/2022: Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) R14.0.12, ExTiX 22.5, and Plamo 7.4 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/trinity-desktop-environment/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/trinity-desktop-environment/
21:02 TR Bot; Links 01/05/2022: Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) R14.0.12, ExTiX 22.5, and Plamo 7.4 | Techrights
21:03 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164370
21:03 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:03 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164371
21:03 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:03 DaemonFC; This is woke bullshit at its worst. "Oh, I'm eating peanut butter sandwiches every day and falling further behind on my rent, but I'm going to worry about whether the next Star Trek has a black captain!".
21:03 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164372
21:03 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
21:03 DaemonFC; Netflix disabling password sharing is going to be part of what ends them.
21:03 DaemonFC; Those people aren't going to subscribe. They're going to go to bittorrent.
21:03 SomeH4x0r; wdym disabling?
21:08 DaemonFC; They know about password sharing and have just opted not to do much about it until now.
21:09 SomeH4x0r; some are afraid of ISP letters, idk why don't these pay for VPNs
21:09 DaemonFC; Like Microsoft tolerating widespread piracy in poor countries.
21:09 DaemonFC; To make sure nobody tries to get away and everyone standardizes on their formats.
21:09 DaemonFC; And then it's too late, so they clamp down and start demanding lots of money.
21:10 DaemonFC; I thought about printing out one of those "return coupons" requesting more information about MS-DOS OEM licensing and mailing it to Microsoft to see what would happen.
21:11 DaemonFC; Their address has changed. That building is still there, though.
21:11 bnchs__; SomeH4x0r, VPNs are a big nothingburger
21:11 bnchs__; how many VPNs have surrendered to the agents after being threatened or some shit
21:12 bnchs__; VPNs change their tune after they get a subpoena
21:13 SomeH4x0r; at least I didn't get threat letters for downloading torrents here (in Ukraine), so someone could get a proxy in Ukraine and use it, I guess
21:15 bnchs__; i didn't too
21:16 bnchs__; i seeded over 180+ GB on my home network
21:16 bnchs__; of "pirated" films and movies
21:16 bnchs__; never got a single letter
21:21 TR News; IAM: Paid by the EPOs Nepotism Club (Management) to Glorify Illegal Agenda (and in Turn Legitimise It, Imposing That on EPO Examiners) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/iam-the-faithful-megaphone/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/01/iam-the-faithful-megaphone/
21:21 TR Bot; IAM: Paid by the EPOs Nepotism Club (Management) to Glorify Illegal Agenda (and in Turn Legitimise It, Imposing That on EPO Examiners) | Techrights
21:23 DaemonFC; I topped off the freezers completely.
21:23 DaemonFC; Bad times are here.
21:24 DaemonFC; Lots of stores are just entirely out of chicken, or have raised the price about a third.
21:24 DaemonFC; I have about 3.5 cubic feet full of frozen chicken.
21:25 DaemonFC; I bought hundreds of dollars worth, just of chicken, before the shelves went completely bare or the price (if you can get some) went sky high.
21:25 psydruid; they mostly target people in "developed" countries
21:25 DaemonFC; Dumping some cash isn't a bad idea, especially on food.
21:25 DaemonFC; That's one of the things that's going up fast.
21:27 DaemonFC; https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/28/success/money-moves-recession-geopolitical-unrest/index.html
21:27 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/28/success/money-moves-recession-geopolitical-unrest/index.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/28/success/money-moves-recession-geopolitical-unrest/index.html
21:27 TR Bot; fears are mounting. Here's how to protect your money - CNN
21:27 DaemonFC; More CNN bullshit.
21:28 DaemonFC; "With ultra-low unemployment and plenty of openings, it's a job seeker's market right now. But if there's a recession, that could change quickly. So make hay while you can."
21:28 DaemonFC; Right.....
21:28 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, It's a jobseeker's market. Ignore the bloodbath going on right now with layoffs, especially with white collar workers.
21:29 DaemonFC; Robinhood recently fired several hundred workers.
21:29 DaemonFC; They're trying to explain it all away of course, just like the thousands of others.
21:29 DaemonFC; Geico (my car insurance company) is laying off or making the workplace so intolerable that people get the message and quit.
21:30 DaemonFC; Today Geico's app dinged me for "distracted driving" when I was parked and had the engine turned off and was telling Walmart's app where to bring my groceries.
21:31 DaemonFC; So I told Geico I was a passenger on that trip.
21:34 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: the GREAT RESIGNATION
21:34 schestowitz-TR; it's the workers' faulyt
21:34 schestowitz-TR; they all resign
21:34 schestowitz-TR; the companies cannot find ENOUGH workers!!!
21:34 schestowitz-TR; the GREAT RESIGNATION
21:34 schestowitz-TR; ICBM is promoting this myth every week
21:34 schestowitz-TR; not it finally admits it might not be true
21:34 schestowitz-TR; ICBM fires LOADS of people
21:34 schestowitz-TR; but...
21:35 schestowitz-TR; the GREAT RESIGNATION
21:35 schestowitz-TR; GREAT RESIGNATION... up your arse! You're Fir^H^H^HGREAT RESIGNATION
21:36 schestowitz-TR; [21:27] <DaemonFC> More CNN bullshit.
21:36 schestowitz-TR; https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/24/cnn-plus-what-went-wrong-why-it-was-canceled.html
21:36 TR Bot; CNN+: What went wrong and why it was canceled
21:36 schestowitz-TR; Gee, I wonder why
21:36 schestowitz-TR; at some point people switch off the oligarchs' brainwash
21:36 schestowitz-TR; then the worse ones buy TWITTER
21:36 schestowitz-TR; as a whole
21:36 schestowitz-TR; not like Gates buying "pieces" of him
21:37 schestowitz-TR; along with head chopping oil tycoon from KSA
21:37 schestowitz-TR; bbiab
21:38 schestowitz-TR; anyhow.... " it's a job seeker's market right now" so IF YOU ARE NOT EMPLOYED THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU!! SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP. Shrink at $100 an hour... oh, sorry, you have no income.... " it's a job seeker's market right now" for shrinks and people who give you anti-depressants along with other narcotics
21:39 schestowitz-TR; [15:05] <techrights-news> "the rate of antidepressant use in the United States increased nearly 400 percent." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/29/do-you-still-believe-in-the-chemical-imbalance-theory-of-mental-illness/ | Source: Counter Punch
21:39 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/29/do-you-still-believe-in-the-chemical-imbalance-theory-of-mental-illness/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/29/do-you-still-believe-in-the-chemical-imbalance-theory-of-mental-illness/
21:39 TR Bot; You Still Believe in the Chemical Imbalance Theory of Mental Illness? - CounterPunch.org
21:39 psydruid; people signed up for the GREAT RESIGNATION
21:39 bnchs__; oh you're depressed
21:39 bnchs__; here take this drug
21:39 psydruid; and now they are resigned
21:39 bnchs__; it will supress your depression
21:40 schestowitz; join the metavers
21:40 schestowitz; ewhere everyone is a tycoon
21:40 schestowitz; everyone is rich with a million fakecoins to start
21:40 schestowitz; they call it "libra"
21:41 schestowitz; with your fakecoin libra you can buy virtual "sex" with "HEY HI" in the metaverse
21:41 schestowitz; while the oligarchs finish raking up all that's left of the capital;
21:41 schestowitz; all the homes (estate)
21:41 schestowitz; all the forests, now the land too is "owned", even nature
21:41 schestowitz; occupying space
21:42 schestowitz; and getting 50 million patents per year
21:42 psydruid; 21st century feudalism
21:42 schestowitz; for INNOVA~1 y'know...
21:42 psydruid; the world needs revolutions
21:42 schestowitz; [21:41] <schestowitz> occupying space
21:42 schestowitz; all the physical spae
21:42 schestowitz; AND .... OUTER space
21:42 schestowitz; that's theirs too
21:42 schestowitz; no NASA
21:42 schestowitz; SpaceMuskX
21:42 schestowitz; (and he controls Twitter too, you know)
21:42 schestowitz; go post some "Activism" in Twitter
21:43 schestowitz; MuskinTape will slow it down when it gets effective
21:43 psydruid; s/world/universe/
21:43 schestowitz; "you're too effective, we paced/thorttled you down a bit"
21:43 schestowitz; for "national security"
21:45 TR News; OSI is already sold. Like "Linux" Foundation. The oligarchs bought and paid for both of them. RIP! Those institutions are now lobbying apparatuses for the billionaires, who use the Code of Conduct to ban people who criticise them https://www.freesoftwhere.org/2022/05/01/engaging-with-the-osi-elections-2022-1/
21:45 TR Bot; ( status 500 @ https://www.freesoftwhere.org/2022/05/01/engaging-with-the-osi-elections-2022-1/ )
21:45 TR News; The EPOs faithful megaphone is still at it; not only does it promote European software patents as it also helps Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campinos promote fake news about the UPC http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/iam-the-faithful-megaphone/
21:45 TR Bot; IAM: Paid by the EPOs Nepotism Club (Management) to Glorify Illegal Agenda (and in Turn Legitimise It, Imposing That on EPO Examiners) | Techrights
21:45 TR News; Antnio Campinos clearly doesnt give a "f" about his fathers work; he just used his fathers name, posthumously, to gain/secure positions of power at EUIPO and EPO http://techrights.org/2022/05/01/jorge-campinos-exploited/
21:45 TR Bot; Antnio: The Antichrist of Jorge Campinos | Techrights
21:46 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/05/01/geico-driveeasy-dings-safe-drivers-constantly-including-penalizing-for-avoiding-accidents-while-draining-phone-battery/
21:46 TR Bot; GEICO DriveEasy dings safe drivers constantly. Including penalizing for avoiding accidents while draining phone battery. BaronHK's Rants
21:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz, ^
21:48 DaemonFC; "It also dinged me for not driving smoothly when I had to pull into the middle lane and let a police officer with his lights and siren on pass me on the tollway."
21:49 DaemonFC; "It obviously has no idea what in the hell is going on out there and that it's penalizing you for avoiding accidents and filing insurance claims that cost them money, and so if this is the best they've got, they need to yank it until they can do better."
22:23 DaemonFC; "I'm not really sure whether I should send this through UPS. It is contaminated with gasoline fumes. The reason I wanted to return it is because it is actually incompatible with my vehicle and was causing "Check Gas Cap" errors from the computer, which went away when I installed an AC Delco gas cap."
22:23 DaemonFC; Me, to an Amazon support agent about the Gates gas cap.
22:25 DaemonFC; Usually when it's something cheap they can just give you a refund and tell you to throw away the merchandise. I can't imagine this is legal to mail at this point or that they could sell it to anyone else.
22:25 DaemonFC; Concentrated gas fumes can, of course, start a fire.
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22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 45.40 average k/sec., average swarm size 402.96
22:59 matey; some of the things they give for depression make people feel homicidal
23:00 matey; i used to know someone who felt like murdering people when he took certain antidepressants (mainstream ones)
23:00 matey; he felt better when he went off them
23:00 matey; i was not around when he was taking them...
23:01 matey; https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/adaventure/ https://castopod.org/ http://git.vitali64.duckdns.org/?p=utils/learn.git http://git.vitali64.duckdns.org/?p=utils/seen.git https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/scdoc https://raf.org/danectl http://people.tuebingen.mpg.de/maan/paraslash/ http://dfu-util.sourceforge.net/
23:01 TR Bot; download | SourceForge.net
23:01 TR Bot; download | SourceForge.net
23:01 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: sourceforge.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/
23:01 TR Bot; Castopod by Ad Aures | Your Free & Open-source Podcast Host
23:01 TR Bot; Git - utils/learn.git/summary
23:01 TR Bot; Git - utils/seen.git/summary
23:01 TR Bot; ~sircmpwn/scdoc - sourcehut git
23:01 TR Bot; danectl
23:01 TR Bot; Paraslash
23:01 TR Bot; dfu-util Homepage
23:01 matey; actual free software from the past 2 months of free software directory updates
23:01 matey; nothing github-based afaik (this does not take dependencies into account)
23:02 matey; https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/scdoc <- this is manpages implemented in c99
23:02 matey; of interest to activelow perhaps
23:02 matey; hes probably seen it already
23:02 matey; i dont know what part requires c++ according to him
23:02 matey; i figure SOMETHING does, i dont know which part
23:03 matey; https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/adaventure <- these require ada, so thats probably github based (but the projects themselves are not)
23:03 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: sourceforge.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://sourceforge.net/projects/adagate/
23:07 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=i_3yfyhmNc8
23:07 TR Bot; God's Own Drunk - Invidious
23:11 DaemonFC; https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/economy/summer-camp-cost-2022/index.html
23:11 -cameron1/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/economy/summer-camp-cost-2022/index.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202205/https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/economy/summer-camp-cost-2022/index.html
23:11 TR Bot; camp costs surge in 2022 | CNN Business
23:11 DaemonFC; While more Americans can't afford a home to live in, CNN worries about how much "summer camp" will cost for "the kids" that people can no longer afford to have.
23:12 DaemonFC; <matey> some of the things they give for depression make people feel homicidal
23:12 DaemonFC; Antidepressants can make people do crazy shit.
23:12 DaemonFC; You'll never hear that from the doctors though.
23:14 matey; its something to think about when these idiots go on rampages
23:14 matey; a lot of which is about ideology im sure, not chemicals
23:15 matey; the thing about factors though-- you can discount factors, until you miss the real cause.
23:15 matey; people talk about antidepressants when some of the people go on rampages
23:16 matey; im sure its just lawyering sometimes. doing whatever you can for your client
23:16 matey; but if it happens often enough, maybe its actual date
23:16 matey; data
23:16 matey; and as you say, the industry isnt going to be too keen on saying "oh yes, our products make people more apt to kill people"
23:16 matey; i mean, the marketing department isnt going to greenlight that
23:17 matey; "going for that honesty dollar!"
23:17 matey; there IS NO honesty dollar
23:17 matey; there is only bullshit
23:17 matey; of course, im not anti-medication (per se)
23:17 matey; i mean, if youre REALLY having that much trouble
23:18 matey; ive met people who definitely have higher-quality lives on pharmaceuticals than without them
23:18 matey; its just
23:18 matey; when its an industry, their job is to maximise profits
23:18 matey; not well-being
23:18 matey; saying its a conflict of interest and an ethical issue is sort of an understatement
23:18 matey; fuck industry
23:19 matey; i should say when its industry under capitalism, the goal is to maximise profits
23:19 matey; maybe if you take the latter away
23:20 matey; no ones keen on that, and by no one, i mean not most people
23:20 matey; stallman is an economic reformer
23:20 matey; hes wants a less-broken broken system
23:20 matey; exactly what open source wants from free software
23:21 matey; reform is the inbred cousin of revolution
23:22 matey; he knows how to get action but he only shoots blanks
23:22 matey; or worse
23:32 bnchs__; am i interjecting in a monologue
23:33 matey; :)
23:33 psydruid; refuse/resist/reform
23:33 matey; itc irc
23:33 matey; its irc
23:33 matey; interjecting is what irc is for
23:33 matey; also its a rant, not a monologue :)
23:33 bnchs__; oh
23:34 matey; monologue is a diplomatic word for describing a rant :)
23:36 bnchs__; !help
23:38 matey; no one can help you now
23:38 matey; ...
23:38 bnchs__; !license
23:38 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=SECVGN4Bsgg
23:38 TR Bot; Men At Work - Who Can It Be Now? (Video Version) - Invidious
23:38 bnchs__; damn cmd is disabled on TechrightsBot-tr
23:39 matey; even though i know other songs of theirs
23:39 matey; i always thought this was by huey lewis :)
23:39 bnchs__; hey cameron1 altlink guy
23:40 cameron1; https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/57
23:40 TR Bot; hey altlink guy (#57) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
23:40 bnchs__; bruh
23:40 psydruid; cameron1 you are so cool with your instant responses
23:40 cameron1; https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/58
23:40 TR Bot; you are so cool with your instant responses (#58) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
23:40 psydruid; lol
23:41 matey; cameron1 help im being held hostage by a chatbot
23:41 cameron1; https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/59
23:41 TR Bot; help im being held hostage by a chatbot (#59) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
23:41 matey; :D
23:41 bnchs__; also i finished the cloudflare detection on the phirce bot
23:41 matey; add a way to get issues from people mentioning it in chat :)
23:42 bnchs__; if only roy has a issue tracker
23:42 matey; but also make it so they can delete the issue
23:42 matey; cameron1 my lawyers have requested you delete this issue on grounds of copyright violation and defamation!
23:42 cameron1; https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/60
23:42 TR Bot; my lawyers have requested you delete this issue on grounds of copyright violation and defamation! (#60) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
23:43 matey; only joking, you know i love you
23:43 bnchs__; have you told it your feelings for it?
23:44 matey; cameron1 i love you lets run away from this place
23:44 cameron1; https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/61
23:44 TR Bot; i love you lets run away from this place (#61) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
23:44 bnchs__; the altlink guy is gonna talk through the bot
23:44 bnchs__; just wait
23:44 matey; this is the most trolling ive done of a repo in...
23:44 matey; well, ever
23:44 MinceR; lol
23:45 matey; i hope the altlink guy knows its his bot i love, not him
23:45 matey; (that would be weird)
23:45 matey; .bef
23:45 bnchs__; no that would be uhhhh
23:45 matey; .justfriends
23:45 bnchs__; let's just say, GAY
23:46 matey; NO ONE UNDERSTANDS OUR LOVE!
23:46 matey; BUT I DONT CARE!
23:46 bnchs__; nice
23:47 MinceR; "Only my weapon understands me!"
23:47 matey; the companion cube is your only friend...
23:47 bnchs__; but the companion cube can't talk?
23:47 matey; its the strong silent type
23:47 matey; also heavy
23:48 bnchs__; i think i know someone else who's a strong silent type
23:49 matey; /me is silent on the inside
23:50 bnchs__; also has to do with a research facility operated by a corporation we hate >:(
23:50 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gq8snFSEwlU
23:50 TR Bot; 432Hz - 3 Hour Crystal Singing Bowl Healing Sound Bath (4K, No Talking) - Singing Bowls - Sound Bath - Invidious
23:50 bnchs__; fuck black mesa
23:51 matey; 432hz silence is way more peaceful than the all the other frequencies of silence ;)
23:51 bnchs__; yes i don't wanna hear the humming of my LED light
23:52 bnchs__; that i'm scared it's gonna cause a house fire one day
23:52 MinceR; teach it the lyrics, then :>
23:52 matey; /me asks linda fiorentino to teach it the lyrics
23:55 matey; /me thinks the idea of gary shandling and annette benning making a romantic comedy that no woman would ever tolerate is next to brilliant
23:55 matey; or possibly across the train tracks from brilliant, i dont know
23:56 matey; its probably avant garde
23:56 matey; or maybe just idiot savant
23:57 matey; but if all else fails-- SIR BEN kingsley!
23:57 psydruid; Gandhi Ji
23:58 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jyrONsewQW8
23:58 TR Bot; Gandhi vs Martin Luther King Jr. Epic Dance Battles of History - Invidious
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23:59 bnchs__; got dang it
23:59 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wise-2
23:59 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Wise
23:59 -bnchsbot/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Wise
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