●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, April 21, 2022 ●●
● Apr 21
[00:00]	matey	its definitely not
[00:00]	Erroneous	dont tell me that DaemonFC is jeff besos?
[00:00]	matey	okay i wont, because he isnt
[00:00]	Erroneous	and hes going to missplace all my oders on amazon
[00:01]	MinceR	jeff besauce?
[00:01]	matey	amazon could cut costs if they just handed your packages to random people on the street
[00:01]	MinceR	beesauce
[00:01]	matey	they like to put them in the door here so that when you open the door, it crunches the package a bit
[00:01]	matey	they could put them on the other side of the door and it wouldnt happen
[00:02]	matey	so of course they go for the hinge, up against something else, so it becomes a package cruncher
[00:02]	matey	if youre on the outside and youre a nice person, you can move the package
[00:02]	matey	if youre on the inside though, you might not know its there
[00:03]	Erroneous	will that void waranty?
[00:03]	DaemonFC	<matey> amazon could cut costs if they just handed your packages to random people on the street
[00:03]	DaemonFC	I thought they already do that.
[00:03]	matey	but at least the package gets there. the other delivery people just run up and put a note that says "sorry you werent fast enough to tag us!"
[00:03]	DaemonFC	<matey> but at least the package gets there. the other delivery people just run up and put a note that says "sorry you werent fast enough to tag us!"
[00:03]	DaemonFC	They just leave it on the door here.
[00:03]	matey	 <DaemonFC> I thought they already do that. <- no, they take all the time to set it down ont he ground
[00:03]	DaemonFC	My new Chinese hood struts came yesterday.
[00:03]	matey	its inefficient. just hand to a random person and get back into the van
[00:04]	matey	<DaemonFC> My new Chinese hood struts came yesterday. <- were they delivered by amazon, or a neighbour?
[00:04]	AltLink_c52c	[:S] SomeH4x0r: did it really move to framagit from disroot? <- You can always read disroot - we keep it as a mirror.
[00:04]	AltLink_c52c	[:S] SomeH4x0r: About 270f our collaborators disliked Gitlab because it require j/s to read things. Those users can read disroot.
[00:04]	AltLink_c52c	[:S] SomeH4x0r: The reason is 1) disroot's mirror-sync is unstable 2) GitLab is better than Gitea
[00:04]	AltLink_c52c	[:S] SomeH4x0r: Feel free to collaborate anytime on http://crimeflare.eu.org (note: we may back to mypdns someday)
[00:04]	TR Bot	 README.md master Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
[00:04]	DaemonFC	The mechanic at Chevy installed them for free because I said I'd just do it myself later with a screwdriver, so he didn't put down that he installed them. Said nobody would know because they only know if they check out parts from the parts department.
[00:04]	DaemonFC	That was nice of him.
[00:04]	matey	2) GitLab is better than Gitea <- in what way?
[00:05]	DaemonFC	The dealer recommended new hood struts that were going to cost me $100 last week.
[00:05]	DaemonFC	The ones from China only cost me $23.
[00:05]	matey	there you go
[00:05]	matey	saving $77 is enough to make you strut
[00:06]	DaemonFC	Yeah, and they work great too.
[00:06]	DaemonFC	The hood actually popped up. I was happy.
[00:06]	Erroneous	like who need hood struts?
[00:06]	Erroneous	are you a filmsy litle girl?
[00:06]	matey	oh, youre chunky
[00:06]	DaemonFC	People who don't like finding something to prop the hood up and risk having it fall on them while they work on the car.
[00:06]	chunky	hey matey!
[00:07]	DaemonFC	You need to open it up and check your fluid levels weekly and not having working hood struts turns into a real nuisance.
[00:07]	Erroneous	who is chunky?
[00:07]	matey	brb
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[00:08]	DaemonFC	If there's a leak, it's better to know before your engine is out of oil and rattling around with the oil light on.
[00:08]	chunky	damn.. i miss matey.. hope he comes back soon..
[00:08]	DaemonFC	If you watch the level weekly, this tends not to happen.
[00:08]	Erroneous	i guess my car is so good i only open the hood once every 6 months
[00:08]	DaemonFC	Well, you know. There's no leaks until there's a leak.
[00:09]	DaemonFC	So have fun with those really expensive parts that needed fluid.
[00:09]	matey	/me thinks he just like putting his dipstick in
[00:09]	Erroneous	american cars ...
[00:09]	DaemonFC	Well, the gaskets are preferable to what the Germans do.
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[00:10]	DaemonFC	Which is to hit you up for so much money with "precise engineering" and then put plastic all over it so it fails and costs a ton anyway even though the metal sandwiches together perfectly.
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[00:10]	DaemonFC	It's like that movie about the AIDS crisis where Phil Collins is playing a bathhouse owner in San Francisco.
[00:10]	matey	then put plastic all over it <- sounds more like italian engineering
[00:10]	AltLink_c52c	[:S] matey: in what way? <- 1. 'Gitlab is an all-in-one solution, including CI/CD, gists, etc., where Gitea aims to only do the code management, issues, etc.'
[00:10]	AltLink_c52c	[:S] matey: in what way? <- 2. Better APIs. For example, file update API. In Gitea you must send previous sha and data, and it always return full data as response(internet wasted). In Gitlab you send only data and it only return status message.
[00:10]	DaemonFC	"I'll get them on the way in, and you get them on the way out."
[00:10]	matey	or italian furniture, at least
[00:11]	DaemonFC	BMW and the Dealers
[00:11]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[00:11]	Erroneous	why go to BMW to service a BMW?
[00:11]	matey	It's like that movie about the AIDS crisis where Phil Collins is playing a bathhouse owner <- missed that one!
[00:11]	Erroneous	you really must be jeff besos
[00:11]	DaemonFC	VW makes such shit I don't know how they stay in business in America. Everyone I know who has ever owned one has said that it will never happen again.
[00:11]	matey	i didnt know he did any acting
[00:12]	DaemonFC	<Erroneous> why go to BMW to service a BMW?
[00:12]	DaemonFC	Proprietary parts.
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[00:12]	Erroneous	so they only sell them at BMW carshop?
[00:13]	Erroneous	you can even get them second hand
[00:13]	Erroneous	your more of a noob at cars then me
[00:13]	matey	VW makes such shit I don't know how they stay in business in America. <- theyre sort of the ibm of cars
[00:14]	matey	in that they made a lot of money thanks to the nazis, and no one wants their shit anymore
[00:14]	DaemonFC	https://talk.classicparts.com/threads/autozone-sucks.5288/
[00:14]	TR Bot	 AutoZone sucks | Classic Parts Talk
[00:14]	DaemonFC	I only use OE on my cars.
[00:14]	Erroneous	they made a lot of money thanks to the hippie nazis in the usa
[00:14]	DaemonFC	Unless it's just going to be such an insanely expensive part that I'd rather cross my fingers.
[00:15]	DaemonFC	I bought a rebuilt rack and pinion for $150 because it's like almost $900 from Delco new, and the Impala is old and high mileage.
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[00:15]	DaemonFC	The part has been in there for a few years and is still working okay.
[00:16]	DaemonFC	But for smaller things, there's just not enough price difference to be worth the generally lousy quality of going to a discount auto parts store.
[00:16]	DaemonFC	If you are going to use anything besides OE, especially if you are paying a mechanic, only use NAPA.
[00:16]	MinceR	hungarian idiots love german cars
[00:17]	matey	99% of the time when i see someone in an audi they drive like a douchebag
[00:17]	DaemonFC	It's not worth paying hundreds of dollars labor again because you thought you were going to save $50-100 on the part.
[00:17]	matey	lots of uppity car brands, but the four circles are like a warning that says "oncoming douchebag"
[00:18]	matey	theres always one who isnt, i mean a couple a year
[00:18]	DaemonFC	If you want a generally trouble-free car, you're going to gravitate towards one with reliable major components, a good usage base (big aftermarket holds down OE prices!), and generally to stick to OE parts when something does break.
[00:18]	matey	and they do something nice and i think "dude, dont you know what youre driving?"
[00:18]	matey	its like theyre from another planet then
[00:18]	DaemonFC	Because at today's prices, it's too expensive to pay a mechanic twice because you skimped on the part.
[00:19]	DaemonFC	The joke was actually on the Chevy dealer when my belt tensioner went out.
[00:20]	DaemonFC	There was not a good local supply of Delco original parts, so they had to drive down to Joliet, a total of 170 miles round trip, to get me the part.
[00:20]	Erroneous	?
[00:20]	DaemonFC	And GM obligates them to use original parts and to service each repair request from a customer even if something like this comes up.
[00:20]	Erroneous	they dont have mail were you live?
[00:21]	DaemonFC	Well, when your belt tensioner is about to unravel and destroy the rest of the car, you don't want to wait for the post office all week.
[00:21]	DaemonFC	:)
[00:21]	Erroneous	express mail?
[00:21]	Erroneous	your full of shit
[00:21]	DaemonFC	Again, when it's screaming and chirping, it could go at any moment.
[00:22]	DaemonFC	That's why I got straight down to the shop when I noticed that.
[00:22]	DaemonFC	I've had a belt tensioner seize up before in a Ford.
[00:22]	DaemonFC	Car broke down immediately, and overheated, and left me on the side of the road.
[00:22]	Erroneous	another american master piece
[00:23]	DaemonFC	Well, in Ford's defense, the original belt and tensioner ran for 217,000 miles before that happened.
[00:23]	matey	thats pretty far
[00:23]	Erroneous	i wonder why hardlly anyone drives amercan xars were i live
[00:23]	DaemonFC	I learned an important lesson. Change your belts out every 100,000 miles -or- ten years. They're not that expensive.
[00:24]	DaemonFC	And if any part of the drive pulley system starts making noise, get it in the shop fast.
[00:24]	DaemonFC	If it's making a lot of noise, perhaps consider a tow.
[00:24]	DaemonFC	AAA tows you for free like up to 5 times a year.
[00:24]	DaemonFC	And my cell phone company pays my membership fee at the motor club.
[00:25]	DaemonFC	American cars are fairly reliable if well maintained. They're not demanding, people are idiots.
[00:25]	DaemonFC	They don't cost a fortune. Many of them are still on the road at least 20 years later, whereas maybe 1 BMW in 1000 pulls that off after a lot of expensive breakdowns.
[00:26]	DaemonFC	If the BMW even lasts 8 years, it's the Dick Van Dyke of BMWs.
[00:26]	DaemonFC	Whereas I've had plenty of Fords and Chevys last 20-25 years.
[00:27]	DaemonFC	Sometimes being even the third or fourth owner.
[00:27]	DaemonFC	It starts getting pretty hairy being owner #3.
[00:27]	DaemonFC	But that doesn't mean the car is a lemon, just like being owner 2 doesn't mean a 1 owner car will be a good one.
[00:28]	DaemonFC	Some owners buy the thing and trade it in two years later because they have money to do that and so it's what they do.
[00:28]	DaemonFC	If I had billions in a bank account for whatever reason, I'd still probably drive a Buick or a Lincoln.
[00:28]	DaemonFC	It would be top of the line.
[00:28]	DaemonFC	But it would be a Buick or a Lincoln.
[00:29]	DaemonFC	I wouldn't be one of those people going "Sure the BMW breaks down and costs another $3,000 every 100 miles, but I'm rich so LOL at the people starving in the world.".
[00:29]	DaemonFC	Bezos is probably one of those.
[00:30]	DaemonFC	Or maybe a Cadillac. Yeah, if I was rich I might have a Cadillac car. When they go all electric I'd even have a garage to charge it in, so why not?
[00:30]	DaemonFC	The US makes some relatively nice luxury cars.
[00:30]	DaemonFC	They're not exactly the cheapest to maintain but they're a damned sight better than anything the Germans produce.
[00:31]	MinceR	https://thecodinglove.com/when-the-client-isnt-satisfied-with-the-product-while-i-respected-the-specifications-to-the-letter
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[00:31]	DaemonFC	Besides, I can poke fun at GM when I'm in for service.
[00:31]	DaemonFC	So MinceR, I walks up to the guy, and I says....
[00:32]	DaemonFC	"I am here to speak to Mr. Goodwrench. Is he still around? Actually, strike that. I want to talk to the General of Motors. This is too important for Goodwrench.".
[00:32]	MinceR	it's not exactly difficult to make better cars than the germans
[00:32]	DaemonFC	There was a parody of the Mr. Goodwrench ads from GM back in the day.
[00:32]	MinceR	all you need is a bit of taste and to not include every single bit of complication you can think of in the design
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[00:33]	DaemonFC	Family Matters had an episode called "Mr. Badwrench".
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[00:33]	DaemonFC	<MinceR> all you need is a bit of taste and to not include every single bit of complication you can think of in the design
[00:34]	DaemonFC	Yes, BMWs would be gaudy even if they weren't so terrible in the engineering department.
[00:34]	DaemonFC	There's luxury and there's being a gaudy monstrosity.
[00:34]	DaemonFC	BMW is firmly in gaudy monstrosity territory.
[00:34]	DaemonFC	THey're so overdesigned it's almost like modern art.
[00:35]	MinceR	they look like angry beavers
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[00:40]	Erroneous	you gotta love angry beavers
[00:41]	MinceR	i don't like alleged cars that look like angry beavers
[00:42]	Erroneous	Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series
[00:42]	Erroneous	thats a reall car
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[00:43]	Erroneous	800Nm
[00:43]	MinceR	lol
[00:43]	MinceR	it's 0 Nm when it's broken down
[00:43]	MinceR	so, often
[00:43]	MinceR	and looks about as tacky as a bmw
[00:44]	MinceR	though brabus figured out how to make it even tackier
[00:44]	Erroneous	us cars look like horseless carriages
[00:45]	Erroneous	you have louse car taste
[00:45]	Erroneous	lousy
[00:46]	Erroneous	most us cars are abominations
[00:46]	matey	barely
[00:46]	matey	made it
[00:46]	matey	work
[00:46]	Erroneous	what us car run on f1?
[00:46]	Erroneous
[00:47]	MinceR	no u
[00:47]	matey	lol
[00:47]	MinceR	mercedes benz visual design philosophy >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AxwaszFbDw
[00:47]	TR Bot	https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=5AxwaszFbDw
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[00:48]	Erroneous	us cars are good for drifting like the bathtubes they are
[00:48]	MinceR	at least they're good for something
[00:48]	Erroneous	drifting against a pooll
[00:48]	matey	apple has a car coming out "weve gotten rid of wheels"
[00:48]	DaemonFC	The first time a BMW overheats, the engine is ruined.
[00:49]	matey	if you think about it, the only reason cars need wheels is because the ground isnt smooth enough for cars to glide across
[00:49]	matey	and yet whenever it rains or gets icy, whats the first thing that happens?
[00:49]	DaemonFC	And all of the cooling system is cheap plastic, so since an engine is too expensive to risk, you have to budget about $4,000 every 7 years to replace the entire cooling system, or eventually it will degrade and fail catastrophically, and steam will come out of your hood and that's the end for that one.
[00:49]	MinceR	that's also why buses need suspensions
[00:49]	matey	at apple, we thought: why not use this to our advantage?
[00:50]	MinceR	and yet in budapest we have mercedes-benz buses with no suspension
[00:50]	MinceR	you can feel every micron-sized fault in the road
[00:50]	matey	our cars dont have wheels. instead, they use special roads that are completely smooth, and just glide across
[00:50]	matey	youre going to love it
[00:50]	DaemonFC	Even after 14 years without being flushed, the coolant was just nasty and I had to have it flushed out twice.
[00:50]	MinceR	and we have massive potholes everywhere
[00:50]	DaemonFC	The rest of the cooling system on the Buick is working fine.
[00:50]	MinceR	but i guess it's useful for people who have kidney stones
[00:50]	MinceR	just one ride on a mercedes-benz citaro or conecto will atomize them all
[00:50]	DaemonFC	Just got a little plugged up by bad coolant that was coming apart.
[00:51]	matey	the icar utilises hovercraft technology, with specially designed glass road system with an oleophobic coating just like the iphone
[00:51]	MinceR	matey: apple also got rid of the steering wheel. the icar goes wherever it wants to go!
[00:51]	matey	youre riding on a cusion of air
[00:51]	MinceR	finally drivers don't get confused by deciding where to go
[00:52]	matey	 <MinceR> matey: apple also got rid of the steering wheel <- they replaced it with one of those ( ) things
[00:52]	Erroneous	its got sirii steering
[00:52]	matey	its called the TouchWheel
[00:52]	MinceR	yeah
[00:52]	matey	and its going to change the way you drive
[00:52]	MinceR	you tell siri where you want to turn, and the NSA decides where you actually go
[00:53]	Erroneous	tesla copyed that idea
[00:53]	matey	all our cars are chrome coloured, a bit like the delorean but much shinier and more expensive
[00:53]	matey	but they dont all look exactly the same--
[00:53]	MinceR	the better to blind everyone else on and near the road
[00:53]	matey	the lighting options determine the "colour" of your car
[00:54]	DaemonFC	https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019ETHN8Y/
[00:54]	TR Bot	BOXI 2pcs Front Hood Gas Charged Lift Supports Struts For Buick LaCrosse 2008-2009 Hood SG230123,25885395 : Automotive
[00:54]	DaemonFC	There we go.
[00:54]	matey	and the windows of course, double as internet tablets
[00:54]	Erroneous	dont forget about the hud display
[00:54]	DaemonFC	I wasn't about to use Delco for hood struts. They're not going to fuck up the car if they stop working well so it's worth taking a chance on a part that costs less than a third as much.
[00:55]	Erroneous	with google glasses you can have you personalized hud on evey car
[00:55]	matey	for heating, the icar takes a completely new approach
[00:56]	matey	most car heating systems only turn energy into heat. this is incredibly wasteful
[00:56]	Erroneous	isnt heat energy?
[00:56]	matey	the icar actually uses a bitcoin mining rig to keep you warm in winter months-- and it helps pay for fuel
[00:57]	matey	there are no fans of course-- the bitcoin miners actually use the cars own chassis for cooling, just like the macbook
[00:57]	matey	so you wont have to listen to noisy heaters in the winter
[00:58]	matey	and of course, when something goes wrong with your car, just drive it into one of our mac genius garages for service
[00:58]	MinceR	all you'll have to replace is all the burnt circuitry
[00:58]	MinceR	because steve "blow" jobs didn't like cooling
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 79.40 average k/sec., average swarm size 293.73
[00:59]	matey	we will take your car for parts, have you drive away in some strangers icar an hour later, and charge you for the work we wont do on your car until its in pieces being shipped between our service centres.
[00:59]	matey	whats the difference between one icar and another? well, yours was working, this one does, thats the difference.
[00:59]	matey	icar. be happy.
● Apr 21
[01:00]	DaemonFC	Walmart's conventional "pit crew" oil change which includes no extra services (which are easy to do yourself anyway) is $22.88.
[01:00]	DaemonFC	In 2004, I used these oil changes on my Chevy Corsica because I was broke and they only cost $11 back then.
[01:01]	DaemonFC	They were using recycled oil from Warren.
[01:01]	matey	the native american woman?
[01:01]	DaemonFC	Now people are such hippies that Valvoline has a recycled oil they charge more for.
[01:01]	matey	who might be a lesbian sometimes?
[01:01]	matey	if it gets votes...
[01:02]	DaemonFC	Trump called her Pocahontas.
[01:02]	DaemonFC	https://www.warrenoil.com/us/warren/
[01:02]	TR Bot	 WARREN | Warren Oil Company, LLC
[01:02]	matey	if shes still in office next term she should run as a black woman, that might help
[01:02]	DaemonFC	They would supply Walmart with their "Super Tech" motor oil, which was $11 for a full service oil change or 88 cents by the quart back then.
[01:03]	DaemonFC	Walmart ran the $11 oil change with Super Tech oil as a loss leader to get you in the store where you were trapped for hours waiting on the oil change because they had your car.
[01:03]	DaemonFC	So I'd come in and get that oil change and then camp out in the magazine area of the store, reading a magazine I didn't purchase.
[01:04]	DaemonFC	Then when they called me back to get my car, I put it on the shelf and made my way back there.
[01:04]	DaemonFC	And used my employee discount on the oil change.
[01:05]	DaemonFC	What caused me to stop going to Walmart for oil changes are that they've had trouble finding people who want to work and so the line got longer and nobody can ever seem to get you in, and they cut costs by partnering with FRAM for a super terrible oil filter.
[01:05]	matey	to get you in the store <- couldnt you go somewhere else?
[01:05]	matey	maybe not, without a car.
[01:05]	DaemonFC	They cost Walmart 50 cents apiece.
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Walmarts are usually off in some blighted area of town where nobody cares if they build a Walmart.
[01:06]	matey	yeah
[01:06]	DaemonFC	I could use Mandy's discount card on an oil change.
[01:07]	DaemonFC	But I'm not handing Walmart the keys to something nice.
[01:07]	DaemonFC	And I'm not waiting 6 hours for an oil change.
[01:07]	DaemonFC	It takes the dealer maybe an hour to get me in and out and they have a waiting area with complimentary refreshments, and they don't skimp on parts.
[01:08]	DaemonFC	I never understood how Jiffy Lube works.
[01:08]	DaemonFC	Like, how they have customers.
[01:08]	matey	people consider their time valuable
[01:08]	DaemonFC	Going to the dealer for an oil change is cheaper with or without coupons.
[01:08]	matey	but not their car
[01:08]	DaemonFC	And there are always coupons.
[01:08]	DaemonFC	I'd rather wait an hour if they're going to let the oil finish draining out of my car and actually do the job right.
[01:08]	matey	yes but youre car literate
[01:09]	DaemonFC	It takes 30 minutes to fully drain a 3800 V6 of oil.
[01:09]	DaemonFC	Jiffy Lube can do it in 10 minutes because they're happy with 90% of it coming out and they'll just call it and top it off after that happens.
[01:09]	DaemonFC	So over time you can sludge up your engine quite badly at Jiffy Lube.
[01:10]	DaemonFC	Thanks to gravity, all of the heavier sediment in the oil pan will take longer to come out than what's on top of it.
[01:10]	DaemonFC	So you're layering crap each time you visit Jiffy Lube.
[01:11]	DaemonFC	And that can still end up circulating where it shouldn't.
[01:11]	matey	lovely
[01:11]	DaemonFC	Oddly, it's the people who take the worst care of their engine oil that have the fewest GM oil pan gasket problems.
[01:11]	matey	and heres the thing
[01:11]	matey	your car is used...
[01:11]	DaemonFC	If it's really clean, what happens is the gasket wears out and the oil starts leaking.
[01:11]	matey	you have a used buick
[01:11]	matey	but you can still take it to the dealer.
[01:11]	DaemonFC	But if it's dirty, the crap on top of it can actually stop leaks.
[01:12]	Erroneous	that's how the engineers designed it for some reason
[01:12]	matey	i wouldnt have even thought of that. i thought to take it to the dealer you had to buy it from them
[01:12]	DaemonFC	But overall, it's still worse to let crap accumulate in your engine.
[01:12]	DaemonFC	I can take the Buick to Ford if all I want is an oil change.
[01:12]	DaemonFC	There's Motorcraft oil filters that fit on a 3800 GM V6.
[01:13]	Erroneous	you can take it anywere
[01:13]	Erroneous	you can even do it yourself
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[01:14]	Erroneous	3800 GM V6 is that an airplane engine?
[01:15]	Erroneous	3800, Fireball, Dauntless
[01:15]	Erroneous	LOL i guessed it
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[01:17]	DaemonFC	It's a good engine.
[01:17]	DaemonFC	They just kept improving it for decades.
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[01:18]	DaemonFC	The OE oil filter for the 3800 is the AC Delco PF47E.
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[01:18]	DaemonFC	Motorcraft has two oil filters which should fit.
[01:18]	Erroneous	most of the engines innovations come from wwII airplane tech
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[01:18]	matey	<DaemonFC> It's a good engine.
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[01:19]	matey	<DaemonFC> They just kept improving it for decades.
[01:19]	DaemonFC	FL-318 and FL-321
[01:19]	matey	ntil engined comes along
[01:19]	matey	all vehicles will have to use engined
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[01:19]	DaemonFC	I always used an FL-820S on the Crown Victoria. Nothing else.
[01:19]	matey	it weighs as much as a volkwagon, but even a volkswagon has to use engined
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[01:20]	matey	have you considered getting a bigger car?
[01:20]	DaemonFC	Even at Walmart I would buy it in the store and then make them unbill me for the $1.27 TLE CORE FRAM filter and use the FL-820S.
[01:20]	DaemonFC	The guy asked why I was doing that.
[01:20]	DaemonFC	So I grabbed the Core TLE filter.
[01:20]	Erroneous	P-47 Thunderbolt
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[01:20]	DaemonFC	I held up the FL-820S and went "HEFTY HEFTY HEFTY!" and the TLE one and said "WIMPY! WIMPY! WIMPY!".
[01:20]	matey	lol
[01:21]	matey	the guy probably isnt old enough to know that commercial
[01:21]	matey	though it does sort of explain itself
[01:21]	DaemonFC	Mom takes her Impala to Walmart.
[01:21]	DaemonFC	Has an awful rod knock going on.
[01:22]	DaemonFC	Says they're so good at getting her in and out for all of her oil changes.
[01:22]	DaemonFC	I don't know how that engine hasn't failed.
[01:22]	DaemonFC	She said it had an oil leak and "the guy at Walmart fixed it".
[01:22]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TJdQfjaRAG0
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[01:22]	DaemonFC	I said, "Did he tell you what was leaking? It was probably the 50 cent filter they put on your car.".
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[01:23]	DaemonFC	I mean, with the Ford 4.6 V8 in the Crown Vic, the engine is like big as shit, just like the car.
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[01:23]	DaemonFC	And they want to use this little dinky 50 cent filter with fucking cardboard and plastic.
[01:23]	DaemonFC	Nope nope nope.
[01:24]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NjrsVPGYdd4
[01:24]	DaemonFC	Every time I get a car I have to say "Don't worry, you're with me now and I love you. You will never be driven by a woman again!".
[01:24]	TR Bot	 Family Guy - Hefty Hefty Hefty - Invidious
[01:24]	DaemonFC	Stroking the steering wheel.
[01:24]	matey	You will never be driven by a woman again <- terrible :)
[01:24]	DaemonFC	OMG, women suck at driving AND maintaining things.
[01:25]	DaemonFC	"THEY JUST SAY I NEED DEXOS CERTIFIED OIL TO GET $10 OUT OF ME BECAUSE I'M A WOMAN!!!!!!1111111one"
[01:25]	DaemonFC	Then they wonder why people don't take women seriously.
[01:26]	matey	to be fair, they do try to take them for a ride a lot
[01:26]	matey	they end up being cynical, like absolutely nobody here...
[01:27]	DaemonFC	Yeah, the Crown Vic was a good car. It was a man's car.
[01:27]	DaemonFC	I bought it from a man. He had SERVICE RECORDS.
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[01:28]	DaemonFC	Not oh I took it in for brakes occasionally at Midas when they screeched at me finally.
[01:29]	DaemonFC	Unless you drive a clunker and have a Midas that can just rig it up to keep going for a while as you beat on it, don't go there.
[01:30]	DaemonFC	matey, I went to Midas with the Crown Vic once.
[01:31]	DaemonFC	It literally blew a brake line right outside the shop and I had enough braking power to get it into their service bay.
[01:31]	DaemonFC	I had them replace the brake lines and bleed the system out.
[01:31]	DaemonFC	I flushed the brakes on this Buick already.
[01:31]	DaemonFC	Trying to keep corrosion down.
[01:32]	DaemonFC	In 5 years I'm going to have all of the lines replaced at once proactively.
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[01:32]	Erroneous	why wont you stop talking about your cars?
[01:32]	DaemonFC	22-23 when they start blowing them, and you don't save much replacing one line. Most likely, you'll start blowing a line every several months after the first one goes.
[01:32]	MinceR	welcome to #cartech.
[01:32]	MinceR	:>
[01:33]	matey	Most likely, you'll start blowing a line every several months after the first one goes. <- just like cocaine
[01:33]	MinceR	:>
[01:33]	DaemonFC	Ford has the worst brake lines ever, or at least did on the 90s Fords I've owned.
[01:33]	DaemonFC	I don't quite know why.
[01:34]	DaemonFC	They seem to blow brake lines at about 14-15.
[01:34]	matey	to keep up with their reputation
[01:34]	matey	which you claim is undeserved
[01:34]	DaemonFC	Pretty much all they make now are trucks and SUVs. They got rid of their cars except the Mustang.
[01:34]	Erroneous	who needs braks anyway
[01:34]	DaemonFC	Which handles like shit because it's RWD.
[01:34]	MinceR	strange
[01:35]	DaemonFC	Ford's trucks are nice.
[01:35]	Erroneous	braking is sudh a waste of fuel
[01:35]	Erroneous	such
[01:35]	MinceR	i've heard of many cars with a reputation for handling very well that have RWD
[01:35]	DaemonFC	Erroneous, Which is why I've timed the stop lights to optimize for rolling to a stop.
[01:35]	matey	/me thought most sports cars were rwd, but doesnt know much about cars anyway
[01:35]	MinceR	indeed they are
[01:36]	DaemonFC	The EPA says the Impala gets 17 mpg in the city and I get about 22.
[01:36]	DaemonFC	On the highway they're closer to what I get because stopping isn't much of a factor there.
[01:36]	matey	of course if youre on a road where you need awd, then anything with rwd is going to handle like shit
[01:36]	Erroneous	the ones with electronics like BMW
[01:36]	DaemonFC	If you're only going to have one drive axle and live in a snow state....
[01:36]	DaemonFC	FWD is the way to go.
[01:37]	DaemonFC	Although the Crown Vic is a very nice car when it's nice out.
[01:37]	MinceR	i went with AWD, but it's not a sports car :>
[01:37]	Erroneous	the ones with electronics like BMW andle just fine
[01:37]	DaemonFC	I learned to drive it on the snow, but it's not a fun car to have on the snow.
[01:37]	matey	yeah i dont think sports cars usually have awd
[01:37]	matey	awd probably has performance costs, but there are definitely some awd cars that do well enough
[01:37]	Erroneous	rally cars have them
[01:38]	DaemonFC	The one great thing about RWD is the steering (when it's dry out).
[01:38]	DaemonFC	You barely even needed the power steering to steer the car.
[01:38]	MinceR	the new NSX has AWD
[01:38]	DaemonFC	You only needed one finger on the wheel to steer it really. That's how much effort it takes.
[01:38]	MinceR	the GT-R has it too
[01:38]	matey	cool
[01:38]	MinceR	and some GR Yarises do
[01:38]	Erroneous	GT-R is rally car
[01:39]	MinceR	but most sports cars are RWD
[01:39]	matey	/me wants to supercharge a lada, because that would be hilarious
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[01:39]	MinceR	lol
[01:39]	MinceR	a hilarious explosion
[01:39]	matey	well youd need some kind of...
[01:39]	Erroneous	you can only drift with RWD
[01:39]	MinceR	some AWD systems support drifting
[01:40]	matey	i mean you could START with a lada, but if you finished with one it would blow your head off
[01:40]	MinceR	there's also a drifting method for FWD cars, but it's probably less practical
[01:41]	Erroneous	in rally on snow its basic drifting driving
[01:42]	matey	MinceR: you could put all the NO in the cart you invariably find on the back of one :)
[01:42]	matey	then you just need to give the cart a better suspension, because it doesnt have a suspension at all...
[01:43]	matey	and youll need to reinforce the hitch or the cart will just fly off the thing
[01:44]	matey	youll need to reinforce the entire chassis im sure
[01:44]	matey	you wont finish with a lada, but it will look like one.
[01:45]	matey	/me starts with running lights
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[01:46]	DaemonFC	I'm amazed that DexCool is that much better than green coolant and people still hate it.
[01:47]	DaemonFC	This woman did not change it for 14 years.
[01:47]	DaemonFC	And the entire cooling system is still fine, the gaskets are fine, everything is fine.
[01:47]	DaemonFC	Just got gunked up and needed an acid bath to clear out the sludge, and it all works great again.
[01:48]	DaemonFC	If that was green, everything it was in would be ruined, maybe even the engine.
[01:52]	Erroneous	i think mine is green
[01:53]	DaemonFC	Yeah, if it's green you may want to power flush it and move to yellow prestone.
[01:53]	DaemonFC	The all makes all models stuff.
[01:53]	DaemonFC	The Impala has been on DexCool, Green, and Yellow.
[01:54]	Erroneous	never mess with it in 22 years
[01:54]	DaemonFC	Some idiot mom hired flushed it and put in green and it ruined most of the gaskets.
[01:54]	DaemonFC	So while I was replacing the intakes anyway I told them to flush it out thoroughly of any remaining coolant and refill the system with Prestone Yellow 50/50.
[01:54]	DaemonFC	No more coolant problems.
[01:55]	Erroneous	the heat gauge just goes ti the middle every time and never budges
[01:55]	DaemonFC	Ford decided to switch to that as factory fill recently.
[01:55]	DaemonFC	So it must be alright.
[01:56]	Erroneous	you got colant problems?
[01:56]	DaemonFC	I laughed. I guess they decided to join the Asian car companies in changing from OAT to HOAT, they just didn't want to do red or pink for some reason.
[01:56]	Erroneous	i dont even know what that is
[01:56]	DaemonFC	BMWs don't last long enough for contaminated coolant to become an issue.
[01:57]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[01:57]	MinceR	:>
[01:57]	Erroneous	maybe from your prespective i do
[01:57]	DaemonFC	If you use OAT or HOAT coolant, don't take your car to some old hillbilly who mixes it with green.
[01:57]	DaemonFC	Or you'll be in trouble.
[01:58]	Erroneous	BMWs are built for speed not to last
[01:58]	DaemonFC	They speed through your checking account and then blow up.
[01:58]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[01:58]	MinceR	:>
[01:58]	Erroneous	and you buy another
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[01:59]	DaemonFC	I don't know what the Buick's top speed is.
[01:59]	DaemonFC	The speedometer stops at 145 miles per hour.
[01:59]	Erroneous	im guessing you dont have smartphone and maps
[01:59]	DaemonFC	I've had cars with speedometers that stopped at 155 or 160.
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[02:00]	DaemonFC	I use Google maps even within this county.
[02:00]	DaemonFC	I pay by the mile for insurance, and I also don't like to guzzle gas, so I have it pick out the most efficient route.
[02:01]	DaemonFC	Of course, I also might decide to do something different if it means minimizing left turns.
[02:01]	DaemonFC	They're dangerous and you burn more fuel.
[02:01]	Erroneous	left turns ? that new
[02:01]	DaemonFC	So I avoid left turns and lane mergers if I can.
[02:02]	DaemonFC	I take a different route to get to Walmart than I take on the way back.
[02:02]	DaemonFC	The one going there is shorter, but the one back is safest.
[02:02]	DaemonFC	Well, Waze used to be notorious for the "Waze Left".
[02:02]	DaemonFC	Then they added "avoid difficult turns".
[02:02]	Erroneous	they might be flowing you?
[02:02]	DaemonFC	So you can turn that on and it will try to avoid those.
[02:03]	MinceR	in many parts of budapest, you simply aren't allowed to turn left
[02:03]	Erroneous	you sound like my grand mother
[02:03]	MinceR	you get to go through a maze to emulate it though
[02:03]	DaemonFC	We have that. It's called a traffic circle.
[02:03]	MinceR	it's like there's a religious taboo
[02:04]	MinceR	they aren't circles here
[02:04]	DaemonFC	They caught on here about 10 years ago and they're all over the place now.
[02:04]	MinceR	they're usually random turns between blocks
[02:04]	MinceR	and if you miss the entrance, you get to drive another kilometer before you can even attempt to do it again
[02:04]	DaemonFC	Illinois finally started doing what Indiana did 12 years ago.
[02:04]	DaemonFC	The flashing yellow turn arrow.
[02:04]	DaemonFC	"Stop. If nothing is coming, proceed."
[02:05]	DaemonFC	So 12 years later, the stupid fucking liberals are like "Oh, this is more environmentally friendly. It reduces idling!".
[02:05]	MinceR	stop. hammertime.
[02:05]	DaemonFC	Indiana did it 12 years ago.
[02:05]	DaemonFC	Illinois is so stuck in the past.
[02:06]	DaemonFC	Like NOTHING is coming but you have a red arrow anyway.
[02:06]	DaemonFC	Herr derr.
[02:07]	MinceR	but yeah, they also love traffic circles outside the city
[02:07]	MinceR	the western side of Pest county has way more traffic circles than what would be reasonable
[02:08]	DaemonFC	I hate AutoZone.
[02:08]	DaemonFC	I should really blog about how many cheap parts I used to buy there that were broken again later.
[02:09]	DaemonFC	Finally I just realized that nothing they sell is any good and you're wasting your money doing jobs over and over.
[02:10]	DaemonFC	I've picked OE Delco and Ford parts out of junkyards that held up better than AutoZone.
[02:10]	DaemonFC	And they were off wrecked cars that had been sitting there.
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[02:18]	matey	<MinceR> the western side of Pest county has way more traffic circles than what would be reasonable <- just get rid of regular roads and replace it all with chainmail
[02:18]	MinceR	lol
[02:18]	MinceR	and get dizzy and drive off the road before you get anywhere
[02:19]	matey	i use a hotsauce thats so delicious, when the bottle is done you just put a tiny bit of water in it and swirl it around (not like halfway or even 1/10, seriously the minimum to get the rest of the sauce out)
[02:19]	matey	then put it on rice. its runny but tastes nice
[02:19]	matey	if i subjected anyone else to this id be indian dad
[02:19]	MinceR	very, very runny, Sir.
[02:19]	matey	but i got the idea from an indian comedian
[02:20]	matey	"soap is gone? just add water-- MORE SOAP!"
[02:20]	matey	"milk is gone, just add water-- MORE MILK!"
[02:20]	MinceR	water is gone? just add water-- MORE WATER!
[02:20]	matey	i actually have another bottle of sauce, i didnt want to waste the last little bit
[02:21]	matey	 <MinceR> water is gone? just add water-- MORE WATER! or do like i do, fill halfway then shake it so the water is frothy and more full
[02:22]	matey	you can try using steam but then some of your water will blow away, so its not as good for savings
[02:23]	MinceR	yeah, better use GOG instead
[02:24]	matey	we could also use the aesop water trick
[02:24]	matey	drop pebbles into water, water rises to the top-- MORE WATER!
[02:24]	Erroneous	dont waterdown your open sauce
[02:25]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xVSr22kqSOs
[02:25]	TR Bot	 Genius magpie drops stones into bottle to make water level rise so it can drink. - Invidious
[02:26]	matey	what would be sad is if someone had an app to do the same thing, and the app wasnt working, and a human with a smartphone was outsmarted by a magpie with a rock
[02:26]	matey	"rock beats app!"
[02:26]	MinceR	it would be sad, but it would also be expected
[02:26]	matey	i mean youd probably need a different kind of bird for it to actually say that
[02:26]	MinceR	consider how stupid the average human
[02:27]	MinceR	now consider that half of all humans are even stupider than that
[02:27]	matey	plus birds have natural gps
[02:27]	MinceR	not really
[02:27]	MinceR	afaik they (possibly not all of them) have magnetoreception
[02:27]	MinceR	which is not the same
[02:28]	matey	at one minute in the rock wont fit so he actually turns it and it goes in
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[02:29]	matey	which is straightforward enough, but i mean
[02:29]	matey	if it gets any smarter itll be working at jiffy lube
[02:30]	matey	<MinceR> which is not the same <- no its not the same, but its more fun exaggerating
[02:30]	matey	and magnetoreception is cool
[02:30]	matey	like if you give a bird a book, itll probably just use it to make a nest
[02:30]	matey	but if you put the book on a floppy it can read it
[02:31]	MinceR	i'm not sure if they have the resolution to do so
[02:31]	matey	it only works with 8 inch diskettes and fairly short books
[02:32]	matey	besides they get bored after a couple chapters
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[02:33]	matey	twitter was originally a bookstore, but it flopped, so they pivoted and marketed it to people instead
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[02:34]	matey	jack dorsey got some REALLY NICE weed and was like "we should an online bookstore, but for birds"
[02:34]	matey	"and birds cant read longer stuff so we can make it just 140 characters, theyll be happy with that"
[02:34]	matey	and everybody was like "jack, youre fucking high"
[02:34]	matey	but he showed them
[02:34]	MinceR	can they even handle the encodings?
[02:35]	matey	lot of luck, elon
[02:35]	matey	i dont think he has it in him
[02:35]	matey	<MinceR> can they even handle the encodings? <- i dont think they interpret 1s and 0s the same way we do
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[02:35]	Erroneous	elon is good at inflating its own stocks
[02:36]	matey	just like when you read a book, we imagine the picture?
[02:36]	matey	when they read, they imagine the words.
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[02:36]	MinceR	i mean stuff like ASCII or EBCDIC on top of stuff like DM, MFM, M2FM, GCR
[02:36]	Erroneous	im going to buy twitter 20% profit
[02:36]	matey	yeah i mean, thats sort of like some of the stuff ive tried to read in "english"
[02:37]	Erroneous	instant gratification
[02:37]	matey	i recognise the letters and words, but they fit together in a way that goes way over my head
[02:37]	matey	pretty much anything on opensource.com is beyond me
[02:37]	matey	what the fuck is  devop?
[02:37]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-200422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-200422.txt
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[02:38]	MinceR	\_()_/
[02:38]	Erroneous	thats MinceR
[02:38]	matey	i think they were a band, but thats a pretty obscure reference for modern tech writing
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[02:39]	Erroneous	MinceR is a op and a devil
[02:39]	matey	dr evil: "developers is an old word, it doesnt sound high tech anymore. so im going to change it and call it 'devo'"
[02:39]	matey	scott: "pffff, great idea"
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[02:39]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, April 20, 2022
[02:39]	matey	"what?"
[02:39]	MinceR	could be nice, if it was true
[02:39]	DaemonFC	I usually do use off brand suspension parts.
[02:40]	MinceR	at least devils aren't humans
[02:40]	DaemonFC	Those get ridiculously expensive from the factory.
[02:40]	matey	"nothing, im sure everyones going to love training in FLOCK OF SEAGULLS 2.0"
[02:40]	Erroneous	developers is so bamerish
[02:40]	Erroneous	balmerish
[02:40]	DaemonFC	A single Delco strut for a Buick is like $800 plus the labor to put it together and install it.
[02:40]	DaemonFC	Quick struts are usually like maybe $250 each plus half the labor time to put it in.
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[02:41]	DaemonFC	Usually by the time your car is sagging and bouncing everywhere, it's a rustbucket that you don't really want to sink a lot of money into.
[02:41]	DaemonFC	But some aftermarket control arms are cheaper than Delco and fine to use.
[02:41]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-04-20.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-04-20.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:41]	Erroneous	steve balmer used up developers word beyond redemption
[02:42]	MinceR	:>
[02:42]	DaemonFC	The part is more expensive than just a ball joint, but the labor time to replace the entire assemly is lower, so you win on labor and end up paying the same, and getting a completely new control arm.
[02:42]	Erroneous	has DaemonFC already said that?
[02:43]	matey	i want a car with legs
[02:43]	matey	also one that can left the back one and pee motor oil on another car
[02:43]	MinceR	that's the hyundai elevate
[02:43]	Erroneous	i want a car with wings and a jet engine
[02:43]	MinceR	the one with legs, i mean
[02:43]	matey	please tell me this is a joke
[02:43]	MinceR	concept car
[02:43]	MinceR	and i doubt they even made one of them
[02:44]	matey	can it pee motor oil though?
[02:44]	MinceR	probably not
[02:44]	MinceR	i think it was supposed to be electric
[02:44]	matey	good, my patents safe
[02:44]	Erroneous	at the trafic lights
[02:45]	matey	hehehe https://yewtu.be/watch?v=A33Yu-9rgxo
[02:45]	TR Bot	 Project Elevate | Hyundai - Invidious
[02:46]	matey	its got too many parts
[02:47]	Erroneous	they are printable
[02:48]	matey	how the fuck are you supposed to MOVE those joints with any fucking torque?
[02:48]	Erroneous	you use wheel electric engines
[02:49]	matey	theres too many joints
[02:49]	matey	i mean its like the designed it for halo, not actually moving over actual ground
[02:50]	MinceR	you can have at least one electric motor in every joint plus one in every wheel
[02:50]	matey	"this will look super cool with main chief behind the wheel"
[02:50]	Erroneous	they open sourced the design in the hopes you would make it better
[02:51]	matey	<MinceR> you can have at least one electric motor in every joint plus one in every wheel <- okay. do they make motors that size with enough torque to do this? i assume someone did actual math here
[02:51]	matey	but from the video im a bit sceptical
[02:51]	matey	and ive seen adam savage fly in an iron man suit
[02:52]	matey	which seems more plausible than this design
[02:52]	MinceR	\_()_/
[02:53]	matey	do that upside down and it will look like the car
[02:53]	MinceR	no u
[02:53]	matey	_/()\_
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[02:54]	matey	the face doesnt render of course
[02:54]	Erroneous	freeking pokemons
[02:54]	MinceR	//\( )/\\
[02:54]	matey	i cant believe they didnt call it spidercar
[02:54]	matey	probably because they want it to appeal to arachnophobes
[02:54]	matey	i wasnt an arachnophobe until you typed whatevertf that is
[02:55]	MinceR	lol
[02:55]	matey	it looks like spiderd
[02:55]	DaemonFC	ELEVATE!!!!! -Dalek
[02:55]	MinceR	one of the spider kaomoji i've found just now
[02:55]	MinceR	though it doesn't render quite correctly here
[02:55]	matey	//\( )/\\ gentoo, this is your worst nightmare
[02:55]	matey	its spiderd! from poettering labs
[02:56]	matey	the worlds SECOND init system that is also a network worm
[02:56]	matey	coming to YOUR os, whether you install it or not!
[02:56]	MinceR	https://doomwiki.org/w/images/8/84/Spider.png
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[02:59]	Erroneous	its a brain with legs
[02:59]	MinceR	it's a Spider Mastermind
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[02:59]	matey	systemd-singerd https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mh7Ciz5dkBo
[02:59]	TR Bot	 TRON- MCP SINGS DAFT PUNK - Invidious
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[03:00]	Erroneous	gentoo has new cds
[03:01]	MinceR	why is the music twice as loud as the talking before it?
[03:01]	matey	because whoever mixed it was crap
[03:02]	MinceR	also, the real systemd-singerd is very bad at singing
[03:02]	matey	well yeah
[03:02]	matey	if it was actually good for something systemd would replace it with something else
[03:02]	MinceR	similarly to how systemd is very bad at booting, shutting down, killing zombies and managing services
[03:02]	matey	thats sort of the whole point
[03:02]	matey	i mean i was lucking the video even played and mplayer was able to close properly afterwards
[03:03]	matey	similarly to how systemd is very bad at booting, shutting down, killing zombies and managing services <- yes!
[03:03]	matey	/me plays it again to see if mplayer refuses to close at the end
[03:03]	matey	it wont play at all, it just goes to a prompt.
[03:04]	matey	probably using the wrong kernel (and holding it wrong)
[03:04]	matey	systemd. think different.
[03:04]	Erroneous	mplayer ?
[03:04]	MinceR	systemd. just pay ibm to think for you.
[03:04]	Erroneous	anyone uses that since y2k?
[03:04]	IPFS	 Gemini requests since start of month:   241888 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40246      Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 2 months 11 days ago
[03:05]	matey	the final solution for managing daemons.
[03:05]	IPFS	 IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated.  TotalIn: 8.8 GB    TotalOut: 1.9 GB
[03:05]	matey	nice to see ibm working with germans again
[03:05]	matey	i mean, what could go wrong
[03:06]	Erroneous	i recon that makes poetring the devil
[03:06]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
[03:07]	MinceR	:>
[03:07]	Erroneous	using the systemd fork to mange the daemons
[03:07]	MinceR	daemons can get mange?
[03:07]	Erroneous	manage
[03:07]	MinceR	systemd is more likely to give them mange
[03:08]	IPFS	QmV1eHWHRNxm9DLspjvUjeFdk6NvTiYcLCWvwH1WMxLvmr
[03:08]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
[03:08]	matey	lol
[03:08]	matey	bsd: we need to find a way to get more linux users to switch to bsd
[03:08]	matey	lennart: hold my beer
[03:08]	Erroneous	ipfs-bot found a new hash!
[03:11]	Erroneous	https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/20/satan-2-icbm/
[03:11]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/20/satan-2-icbm/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/20/satan-2-icbm/
[03:11]	TR Bot	 Russia has test-launched 'Satan 2' Sarmat missile, Putin says - The Washington Post
[03:14]	Erroneous	can it reach mars?
[03:15]	Erroneous	if not elons gots you covered
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[03:36]	matey	http://techrights.org/2022/04/20/fake-news-about-ubuntu/
[03:36]	TR Bot	 A Pandemic of Webspam and Fake News About GNU/Linux | Techrights
[03:36]	matey	fake distro
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[03:51]	matey	HELLO!!!
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[04:47]	Erroneous	WHAT?
[04:48]	Erroneous	QmV1eHWHRNxm9DLspjvUjeFdk6NvTiYcLCWvwH1WMxLvmr IS THIS A MAGNETIC LINK?
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[05:30]	DaemonFC	https://finance.yahoo.com/amazon-ridiculed-trying-motivate-easter-120326851.html?ncid=facebook_yfsocialfa_wje3x23a50w
[05:30]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: yahoo.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://finance.yahoo.com/amazon-ridiculed-trying-motivate-easter-120326851.html?ncid=facebook_yfsocialfa_wje3x23a50w https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://finance.yahoo.com/amazon-ridiculed-trying-motivate-easter-120326851.html?ncid=facebook_yfsocialfa_wje3x23a50w
[05:30]	TR Bot	 Amazon is ridiculed for trying to motivate Easter Sunday workers with a raffle to win water and a bag of chips
[05:42]	activelow	netsurf-motif... >>> Source compiled
[05:43]	activelow	need to wrap this into a clean patchset and gentoo ebuild still... and testing
[05:44]	activelow	nonetheless, once done, which i'll invest any effort necessary into, netsurf-motif together with my anonymous patches can be _the_ "tor browser"
[05:46]	activelow	and too i would designate netsurf-motif as the "free software" graphical browser of unix
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[05:58]	AltLink_c52c	 New Issue | | https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/38
[05:59]	TR Bot	 (#38) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
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[05:59]	activelow	this one is for SGI IRIX with motif/opengl https://github.com/revmadison/netsurf-motif
[05:59]	TR Bot	- revmadison/netsurf-motif
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[06:02]	activelow	it isn't too difficult to adapt the build from irix/motif-opengl to linux/motif
[06:03]	activelow	and this solves the long standing problem, a RYF browser
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[07:21]	matey	so heres something fun to note
[07:22]	matey	even though when i paste mincers shrugmoji the face looks like []
[07:22]	matey	and i dont mean an ordinary rectangle. i mean literally []
[07:22]	matey	it still actually shows the face in the logs. thats cool.
[07:23]	matey	i mean thats what happens with the rectangle too
[07:24]	activelow	https://forums.sgi.sh/index.php?threads/netsurf-motif-available.680/
[07:24]	TR Bot	 Netsurf Motif Available | Silicon Graphics User Group
[07:24]	matey	gtk-free?
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[07:25]	activelow	yes matey, and you missed the announcement i am porting this to linux motif-noopengl
[07:25]	matey	fun
[07:25]	activelow	got this wrapped into a gentoo ebuild a moment ago, with a clean patchset
[07:26]	activelow	besides fun, it is _the_ solution for a graphical unix RYF browser
[07:50]	activelow	i see, motif was _proprietary_, and GTK1 was implemented, 1999, hence motif received little attention
[07:52]	activelow	which is the irony nowadays, 2012 motif was released LGPL, meanwhile i wouldn't want to touch any GTK2/3 anymore
[07:55]	activelow	the benefit of motif nowadays, it is both _free_ software, it is _stable_, it is not poisoned by any of the systemd/dbus/harfbuzz spyware, and together with a showcase netsurf-motif provides a RYF browser, which gnome couldn't anymore
[07:56]	matey	 it is _stable_ <- this is the appeal for me too
[07:56]	matey	you know, if gcc requires c++ now, i wonder if it requires boost (github)
[07:57]	activelow	the impact of this, is gigantic, to both proprietary browsers, to stick to this example, and too GNOME/GNU/FSF
[07:57]	matey	libffi is there, so is bison (and perl for autotools)
[07:57]	matey	well wherever gnome goes, free software becomes open source
[07:57]	matey	libreoffice will be destroyed by collabora
[07:57]	activelow	besides, yes, netsurf, motif, passed minimum acceptance testing; doesn't require any c++/cmake/gtk-clutter/gnome-systemd spyware
[07:58]	activelow	libreoffice doesn't pass the criteria anymore, including dependencies such as gtk2/3 or qt4/5/6 ... none of this is what i consider "free software"
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[07:59]	activelow	and with netsurf-motif available, the impact is gigantic, to both proprietary browsers, to stick to this example, and too GNOME/GNU/FSF
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[08:09]	activelow	and how should GNOME/FSF argue, with epiphany browser designated as "free software", in parallel to the existence of netsurf-motif?
[08:11]	activelow	the argument FSF had in this case, is the support for malicious js/wasm and proprietary web content with epiphany/webkit/gtk/systemd/dbus/harfbuzz, which netsurf-motif has not and needs not and wants not (besides other cosmetic issues)
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[08:14]	activelow	and since FSF/GNU are excited about GPL copyleft, which is too _weak_, my opinion, all of it is (L)GPL: motif, netsurf, TinyCC
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[08:20]	matey	and how should GNOME/FSF argue, with epiphany browser designated as "free software", in parallel to the existence of netsurf-motif? <- they only care about freedom 3 on paper
[08:20]	matey	theoretical freedom 3 is theoretically just as good as freedom 3 in practice
[08:21]	matey	in fact freedom 3 in practice is terrible, so its better to only have freedom 3 in theory (if youre the fsf)
[08:21]	matey	theyre afraid of freedom 3
[08:21]	activelow	btw. motif is an IEEE standard, and it is stable, 30 years proven track record
[08:22]	matey	i mean i could make my arsehole standard if i put enough money into writing the specification
[08:22]	matey	IEEE ARSE-T x57.0
[08:23]	activelow	you couldn't
[08:23]	matey	i totally could
[08:25]	matey	the information could be given to surgeons and people whose arsehole wasnt compliant could get brought up to spec
[08:26]	matey	of course the upgrades would be expensive, but one of the biggest problems for proctologists is having to work in non-standard environments
[08:26]	matey	if people were compliant proctology could be a LOT more efficient, and there could be better tools for the field
[08:28]	matey	plus someone could finally make a smartphone accessory that lets you mount your phone using your arse when its not in use
[08:28]	matey	which i doubt would be popular but its just one of the benefits of standardisation
[08:29]	matey	i think comfort would be a major factor in the hole thing
[08:34]	matey	it should probably be called ARSECII though
[08:35]	matey	its pretty much the same thing as ASCII except 0x24 is a pound sign
[08:36]	matey	and it maps to the first 128 characters of uknicode
[08:36]	matey	(which of course, is the same as unicode, except 0x24 is a pound sign)
[08:38]	matey	some people say its an arbitrary, useless, non-standard standard
[08:38]	matey	but they alraedy did ooxml so
[08:42]	activelow	netsurf-motif does _not_ pose a threat to proprietary interests of those who endorsed chromium/epiphany/webkit/gnome/gtk etc...
[08:44]	activelow	and it is difficult to attack the freedom of netsurf-motif, because, netsurf for example, insists on portability onto targets which cannot be attacked easily, "embrace, extend, extinguish"
[08:45]	activelow	GNU/FSF/IBM etc. simply cannot bloat software designated to run on some humble ARM or Amiga with 16MiB RAM
[08:46]	activelow	so, netsurf, motif remain what they are, "free software"
[08:47]	activelow	and chances are, those will compile with TinyCC, without gcc or llvm required anymore
[08:48]	activelow	situation with TeX/ghostscript etc is slightly different, meaning those are better options for scientific authoring and publication anyway
[08:49]	activelow	except for the fact, there isn't alot of maintenance and testing anymore with the related workflow; except BaphometOS
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[09:02]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, April 20, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[09:02]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[09:02]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[09:02]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[09:03]	TR News	Canonical Releases Important Ubuntu Kernel Update to Fix Eight Vulnerabilities Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163970
[09:03]	TR Bot	 Canonical Releases Important Ubuntu Kernel Update to Fix Eight Vulnerabilities | Tux Machines
[09:05]	TR News	"My Fedora office workstation has wound up with a complicated network setup and to go with it" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/IsolatedInterfacesPrinciples | Source: uni Toronto
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[09:05]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/IsolatedInterfacesPrinciples
[09:05]	TR News	"What experience leads Eric to make this recommendation?" https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/ordering-css-delcarations/ | Source: Jim Nielsen
[09:05]	TR Bot	 Ordering CSS Declarations - Jim Nielsens Blog
[09:06]	TR News	"Three years ago I published, Rebuilding My Personal Infrastructure With Alpine Linux and Docker" https://www.wezm.net/v2/posts/2022/alpine-linux-docker-infrastructure-three-years/ | Source: Wesley Moore
[09:06]	TR Bot	 Alpine Linux and Docker Infrastructure Three Years Later - Wesley Moore
[09:07]	TR News	"If you've tried running it this way on your Raspberry Pi for similar card-preserving reasons" https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2022/04/20/rngd/ | Source: Rachel
[09:07]	TR Bot	 Debian/Raspbian rngd with -S0 will bite you after a week
[09:08]	TR News	"Ubuntu may be the most popular version of desktop Linux, but it's not the best option for keeping up with the latest software." https://www.makeuseof.com/install-ubuntu-rolling-rhino/ | Source: Make Use Of
[09:08]	TR Bot	 How to Switch to Ubuntu Rolling Rhino: A Rolling Release Version of Ubuntu
[09:09]	TR News	"The trouble with using a Raspberry Pi is now I have another computer I have to maintain: apply package updates" https://www.wezm.net/v2/posts/2022/garage-door-monitor/ | Source: Wesley Moore
[09:09]	TR Bot	 Monitoring My Garage Door With a Raspberry Pi, Rust, and a 13Mb Linux System - Wesley Moore
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[09:10]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, April 20, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/21/irc-log-200422/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/21/irc-log-200422/
[09:10]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, April 20, 2022 | Techrights
[09:11]	TR News	"In contrast, in programming, we have only a haphazard notion of how one should go about obtaining sufficient technique" https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/practising_programming.html |
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[09:11]	TR Bot	 Laurence Tratt: Practising Programming
[09:14]	TR News	"BigBlueButton is an open source web conferencing solution for online learning that provides real-time sharing" https://moodle.com/certified-integrations-old/bigbluebutton/ | Source: Moodle
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[09:14]	TR Bot	- Moodle
[09:25]	TR News	Ericsson literally worked with terrorists. Now it has TWO seats in the board of the Linux Foundation. https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/telecoms-and-nbn/ericsson-cannot-estimate-impact-of-doj-breach-notices.html | Source: IT Wire
[09:25]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/telecoms-and-nbn/ericsson-cannot-estimate-impact-of-doj-breach-notices.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/telecoms-and-nbn/ericsson-cannot-estimate-impact-of-doj-breach-notices.html
[09:25]	TR Bot	- Ericsson cannot estimate impact of DOJ breach notices
[09:25]	TR News	"blocking Googles tracking" https://www.pcworld.com/article/633805/brave-duckduckgo-step-in-to-block-googles-amp-pages.html | Source: PC World
[09:25]	TR Bot	DuckDuckGo step in to block Google's AMP pages | PCWorld
[09:25]	TR News	"Brave is rolling out a new feature called De-AMP, which allows Brave users to bypass Google-hosted AMP pages" https://brave.com/privacy-updates/18-de-amp/ | Source: Brave Browser
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[09:25]	TR Bot	Cutting Out Google and Enhancing Privacy | Brave Browser
[09:26]	TR News	"After COO Greg Peters addressed the latest price hike for subscription plans" https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/netflix-is-open-to-a-lower-price-tier-with-ads/ | Source: CNET
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[09:26]	TR Bot	Is Open to a Lower Price Tier -- With Ads - CNET
[09:26]	TR News	"This update greatly improves our support for bridges, which let people quickly and easily circumvent" https://micahflee.com/2022/01/onionshare-25-released/ |
[09:26]	TR Bot	 OnionShare 2.5 fixes security issues and adds censorship circumvention features
[09:26]	TR News	"Dont tell us to never store our seed phrase digitally and then do it behind our backs" https://nypost.com/2022/04/19/how-i-lost-650000-of-crypto-in-seconds/ | Source: NYPost
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[09:26]	TR Bot	 How I lost $650,000 of crypto in seconds
[09:27]	schestowitz	(cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D566.jpg
[09:28]	schestowitz	(cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D208.jpg
[09:29]	TR News	"Just a thought that came up now that I tried out Gopher a bit myself, and enjoyed browsing around via Lagrange and Kristall, as well as bombadillo and sacc, of course " gemini://envs.net/~pen/gemini/gopher.gmi
[09:30]	TR News	"I am going to attempt to respond to a Spanish Gemini post, in Spanish. If something sounds off, before yelling at me, please reach out and ask me to clarify in English." gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-04-20-es-re-zombis.gmi
[09:31]	TR News	The day I met the creator of Garfield gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/04/20.1
[09:32]	TR News	"We are all excited that her commute will be cut from 1.5-2 hours down to around 15 minutes." gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/gemlog/2022-04-20-aprilthoughts.gmi
[09:34]	TR News	Yesterday was my 28th trip to Medieval Times, the dinner theater show with jousting knights, falcons, horse dancing, and community-theater quality sword fights. It is one of my favorite things on earth and if you haven't had the opportunity to enjoy it before, I hope you do in the future." gopher://gopher.black:70/1/phlog/20220421-medieval-times
[09:35]	TR News	"It's so disappointing to see people who don't realize they're being used to deliberately divide people. Smart, caring, thoughtful people whose hearts are umdoubtedly in the right place so frequently get caught up in culture-war bullshit that is just so obviously designed to divide people or to create new subcultures and identities for capitalists to market to." gemini://tskaalgard.midnight.pub/diary.gmi
[09:36]	TR News	"I value public spaces and public wealth over private spaces and private wealth" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
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[10:04]	TR News	10 Things to Do After Installing Ubuntu 22.04 [With Bonus Tip] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163971
[10:04]	TR Bot	 10 Things to Do After Installing Ubuntu 22.04 [With Bonus Tip] | Tux Machines
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[10:06]	TR News	"In other words, consumer interest may be waning, with trading volumes falling significantly lately." https://futurism.com/the-byte/crypto-stocks-are-doing-absolutely-horribly | Source: Futurism
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[10:06]	TR Bot	 Crypto Stocks Are Doing Absolutely Horribly
[10:06]	TR News	"Bitcoin maximalists" https://the-crypto-syllabus.com/yanis-varoufakis-on-techno-feudalism/ |
[10:06]	TR Bot	 Yanis Varoufakis on Crypto & the Left, and Techno-Feudalism
[10:06]	TR News	"As inflation and economic disruption increase around the world, ostensibly stable governments look to increase controls" https://reason.com/2022/04/19/europe-targets-self-hosted-bitcoin-wallets-and-financial-privacy/ | Source: Reason
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[10:06]	TR Bot	 Europe Targets Self-Hosted Bitcoin Walletsand Financial Privacy
[10:07]	TR News	"If you ever needed reasons not to buy NFTs, here are a few" https://blog.cyborch.com/dont-buy-nfts/ | Source: Anders Borch
[10:07]	TR Bot	 Don't buy NFTs
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[10:10]	activelow	too it is difficult to attack motif nowadays, because it is both: IEEE standard and LGPL
[10:12]	activelow	GPL cannot be stripped from what was released already in compliance with an IEEE standard; so both had to be attacked legally and technically: an IEEE standard and LGPL
[10:13]	TR News	"Brave Search has rolled out a new feature that makes it easier to find conversations from forums like Reddit in your search" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/20/23034024/brave-search-feature-discussions-append-reddit | Source: The Verge
[10:13]	TR Bot	 Brave Search no longer requires you to append Reddit to your searches - The Verge
[10:14]	activelow	a problem which remained was removal of GTK dependencies _and_ retaining an extensive package set for scientific work for example, which is done with Knuth TeX remaining on TODO only
[10:16]	activelow	the Knuth license too makes it difficult to attack TeX of him; GNU/FSF/IBM cannot fork this and claim it's Knuth when it isn't, besides Knuth had set the relevant _standard_ for TeX together with documentation
[10:21]	TR News	"The UK has an obligation not to send any person to a place where their life or safety is at risk and the government must not abdicate that responsibility." https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/strategy/assange-extradition-order-issued,-sent-to-home-sec-for-approval.html | Source: IT Wire (sadly, this site was outsourced to Microsoft criminals)
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[10:21]	TR Bot	- Assange extradition order issued, sent to home sec for approval
[10:21]	TR News	"The Wikileaks founder is expected to appeal to the High Court if she approves his extradition." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61162908 | Source: BBC
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[10:21]	TR Bot	Assange's US extradition order sent to Priti Patel for final approval - BBC News
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[10:25]	activelow	GPL alone is too weak, any "free software" project can be attacked, with GPL itself, meaning alterations which _practically_ terminate freedom
[10:26]	activelow	the transitions of GTK1->2->3->4; this isn't any progress with regards to software freedom, it is an attack _against_ it
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[10:28]	TR News	"An Apple retail store in Atlanta has filed for a union election with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB)" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/20/23034175/apple-store-workers-atlanta-union-retail-amazon-google | Source: The Verge
[10:28]	TR Bot	 Apple store workers in Atlanta file for the companys first union election - The Verge
[10:28]	TR News	"restrict your username to a mostly ASCII" https://www.wezm.net/v2/posts/2022/usernames/ | Source: Wesley Moore
[10:28]	TR Bot	 ASCII-centric Usernames - Wesley Moore
[10:29]	activelow	and as I explained, GPL (LGPL alike) does _not_ explicitely prohibit it's "incorporation" into non-free software
[10:30]	activelow	"embrace, extend, extinguish" with related interoperability and compatibility issues imposed, this is what GPL permits because it cannot prevent undesireable alterations without _standards_
[10:30]	SomeH4x0r	https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflares-always-online-and-the-internet-archive-team-up-to-fight-origin-errors/
[10:30]	TR Bot	( status 503 @ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflares-always-online-and-the-internet-archive-team-up-to-fight-origin-errors/ )
[10:30]	SomeH4x0r	is it something eviler?
[10:31]	SomeH4x0r	I don't know when the post appeared, I seen the link on the other chat
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[10:45]	TR News	"the day after the streamer disclosed it had lost subscribers for the first time in a decade" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/netflixs-stock-drags-down-its-rivals-too-1235133094/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
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[10:45]	TR Bot	 Netflixs Cratering Stock Drags Down Its Rivals Too The Hollywood Reporter
[10:45]	TR News	"Higher Ground, President Barack Obama and Michelle Obamas media company, is ending its exclusive podcast deal with Spotify" https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/obamas-cut-ties-with-spotify-1235237381/ | Source: Variety
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[10:45]	TR Bot	to End Exclusive Deal With Spotify - Variety
[10:48]	TR News	Digital Restrictions (DRM) https://www.pcmag.com/news/smart-home-company-insteon-shuts-down-servers-without-warning | Source: PC Mag
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[10:48]	TR Bot	Home Company Insteon Shuts Down Servers Without Warning | PCMag
[10:48]	TR News	Digital Restrictions (DRM) https://www.theverge.com/23032451/smart-home-troubles-insteon-ihome-shutdown-matter | Source: The Verge
[10:48]	TR Bot	 Insteon and iHome shut down their cloud servers this month - The Verge
[10:49]	TR News	Digital Restrictions (DRM) https://www.itpro.co.uk/network-internet/internet-of-things-iot/367439/insteon-customers-forced-to-rely-on-open-source | Source: IT Pro
[10:49]	TR Bot	 Insteon customers forced to rely on open source fixes after apparent collapse of IoT firm | IT PRO
[10:49]	TR News	Digital Restrictions (DRM) https://inside.lighting/news/22-04/lighting-controls-become-bricks-smart-home-company-disappears |
[10:49]	TR Bot	 Lighting Controls Become Bricks as Smart Home Company Disappears
[10:49]	TR News	Digital Restrictions (DRM) https://staceyoniot.com/insteon-is-down-and-may-not-be-coming-back/ |
[10:49]	TR Bot	 Insteon is down and may not be coming back - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
[10:49]	TR News	Digital Restrictions (DRM) https://staceyoniot.com/with-insteon-down-possibly-for-good-what-options-do-you-have-for-your-devices/ |
[10:49]	TR Bot	 With Insteon down, possibly for good, what options do you have for your devices? - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
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[11:09]	TR News	"Mark Summers QC, an attorney for Assange" https://thedissenter.org/british-court-sends-order-for-assange-extradition-to-home-office-for-approval/ | Source: The Dissenter
[11:09]	TR Bot	 British Court Issues Order For Assange Extradition
[11:31]	TR News	"Somebody has got to be the first to do something." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/20/atlanta-apple-store-workers-file-companys-first-union-election-us | Source: Common Dreams
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[11:31]	TR Bot	 Atlanta Apple Store Workers File for Company's First Union Election in US
[11:32]	TR News	"Voting at the 1,500-employee LDJ5 facility, which is located across the street from the JFK8 warehouse that scored a historic union win" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/20/sanders-visit-amazon-workers-nyc-eve-second-union-election | Source: Common Dreams
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[11:32]	TR Bot	 Sanders to Visit Amazon Workers in NYC on Eve of Second Union Election
[11:32]	TR News	"Democrats should ban consultants from not just specifically working on anti-union activity, but also working for actively anti-union corporations." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/20/amid-backlash-democrats-consider-banning-consultants-anti-union-activity | Source: Common Dreams
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[11:32]	TR Bot	 Amid Backlash, Democrats Consider Banning Consultants From Anti-Union Activity
[11:33]	TR News	"union-busting" https://truthout.org/articles/thanks-to-union-pressure-democrats-may-crack-down-on-consultants-union-busting/ | Source: TruthOut
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[11:33]	TR Bot	 Thanks to Union Pressure, Democrats May Crack Down on Consultants' Union-Busting
[11:33]	TR News	SweatshopZone https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/20/the-amazon-labor-union-victory-lessons-for-all-of-labor/ | Source: Counter Punch
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[11:33]	TR Bot	Amazon Labor Union Victory - Lessons for All of Labor - CounterPunch.org
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[11:38]	DaemonFC	"Part of the reason to avoid a brand new car for as long as possible is that they're a Digital Restrictions Monster (DRM), which lock you out of things like remote start and seat warmers without subscribing to hardware that's in the car and paying a monthly fee to some assholes like Toyota or they just shut that all off from space, but another reason is because they've given up on quality because if they can act as a cartel and cause a huge
[11:38]	DaemonFC	steep decline in quality in concert, you have no escape from what they're doing to you when they all decide to do something awful together. Like the way Microsoft, Google, and Apple behave, but with cars."
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[11:41]	DaemonFC	"The reason for avoiding Digital Restrictions Monsters like new cars and "cloud" (clown) computing, include and center around the fact that someone else has control of everything and you are giving them unlimited power over you just so you can putt down the road to work and back with heated seats, or something, listening to your "Apple Music" that disappears the minute you skip payment because you try to be frugal."
[11:42]	TR News	"Separated families continue to endure significant distress, functional impairment, and mental health disorders." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/20/doctors-group-urges-biden-redress-victims-trump-era-family-separation | Source: Common Dreams
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[11:42]	TR Bot	 Doctors Group Urges Biden to Redress Victims of Trump-Era Family Separation
[11:43]	TR News	"For years, as ever-bigger corporate combines grabbed ever-bigger chunks of market power, America's political, media and academic establishment" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/20/joe-biden-stop-telling-people-youre-their-side-and-start-showing-them-you-are | Source: Common Dreams
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[11:43]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Joe Biden: Stop Telling People You're on Their Side and Start Showing Them You Are | Jim Hightower
[11:44]	DaemonFC	"And all of this, AFTER you're sending $650 to the bank every month, risking losing all of it if you fall behind, for a car that won't be paid off until 7 years from now."
[11:45]	DaemonFC	"MORE if it's a luxury brand, because, you know....hood ornament."
[11:46]	DaemonFC	"which will probably be all you have of it after 7 years if it's a BMW."
[11:46]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[11:48]	DaemonFC	"Apparently. BMW rips people off for hood ornaments too. I have seen SO MANY SELLERS IN CHINA selling "counterfeit" BMW hood ornaments because people steal them or they fall off, or you get into an accident and BMW wants $600 for a hood ornament."
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[11:56]	TR News	KDE Gear 22.04 Is Here with Kalendar, Many Improvements for Your Favorite KDE Apps Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163972
[11:56]	TR Bot	 KDE Gear 22.04 Is Here with Kalendar, Many Improvements for Your Favorite KDE Apps | Tux Machines
[11:58]	TR News	"Crystals, at least those hawked by new-age practitioners for their healing or restorative powers" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/20/turning-scrap-copper-into-beautiful-copper-acetate-crystals/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:58]	TR Bot	Scrap Copper Into Beautiful Copper Acetate Crystals | Hackaday
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[12:25]	activelow	given the extensive package set available now, i decided to drop support for any package outside the base system with cxx requirements, which excludes all GTK2/3 and related entirely
[12:26]	activelow	of cause it is possible still, to re-emerge gcc with c++ support and any desired package anytime, yet it is not necessary anymore if everything desireable is available without it
[12:29]	activelow	and BaphometOS will be an almost perfect companion of Raspberry PI (any armv7), haven't got any yet for testing although this won't be a problem for anyone to acquire one
[12:30]	activelow	too the idea is, updates are rolled out as a _complete_ firmware image always, which should be rarely necessary, given the minified attack vector and low security concerns
[12:31]	activelow	i think, netsurf-motif with baphometos has no remote code execution vulnerability at all and it is difficult to introduce any
[12:32]	activelow	not sure yet how to arrange for a BaphometOS release (bandwidth requirements, a release schedule, documentation)
[12:33]	activelow	without full integration of tinycc and full removal of gcc it is a sneak preview only
[12:33]	activelow	and tinycc is a huge task remaining
[12:40]	TR News	Linux in education: operating systems for learning and teaching Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163973
[12:40]	TR Bot	 Linux in education: operating systems for learning and teaching | Tux Machines
[12:40]	TR News	Raspberry Pad 5 Raspberry Pi CM4 carrier board integrates 5-inch display for 3D printers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163974
[12:40]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pad 5 Raspberry Pi CM4 carrier board integrates 5-inch display for 3D printers | Tux Machines
[12:41]	TR News	5 open source tips to reduce waste in web design Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163975
[12:41]	TR Bot	 5 open source tips to reduce waste in web design | Tux Machines
[12:41]	TR News	Linux KDE receives first-ever eco-certification for Okular Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163976
[12:41]	TR Bot	 Linux KDE receives first-ever eco-certification for Okular | Tux Machines
[12:41]	TR News	8 Best Free and Open Source Terminal Emoji Tools Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163977
[12:41]	TR Bot	 8 Best Free and Open Source Terminal Emoji Tools | Tux Machines
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[12:54]	TR News	"I might just abandon my HTTP site for this one. I don't really care about traffic statistics. The info on this site will get a lot more diverse soon. But for now, let this be enough... for now. I do plan on making a "blog" section... eventually." gemini://capsule.herag.xyz
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[13:03]	TR News	"Right wing think tanks (like ALEC and TPPF) are pushing laws that would prevent state agencies from contracting with financial companies unless they prop up fossil fuels, and Texas has already signed into law an implementation of their model bill." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/tx-sb13
[13:03]	TR News	OpenBSD 7.1: fan noise and high temperature solution gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/openbsd-71-fan-noise-temperature.gmi
[13:05]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163978
[13:05]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[13:05]	TR News	How Linux rescues slow computers (and the planet) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163979
[13:05]	TR Bot	 How Linux rescues slow computers (and the planet) | Tux Machines
[13:08]	TR News	KDE Gear 22.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163972#comment-33402
[13:08]	TR Bot	 KDE Gear 22.04 Is Here with Kalendar, Many Improvements for Your Favorite KDE Apps | Tux Machines
[13:10]	TR News	Skipping CentOS Stream? AlmaLinux 9 Beta is here http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163920#comment-33401
[13:10]	TR Bot	 AlmaLinux 9 Beta--Now Available | Tux Machines
[13:17]	TR News	"Did you ever feel like your laptops GPU was sub-optimal?" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/20/this-laptop-gets-all-the-pcie-devices/ | Source: Hackaday
[13:17]	TR Bot	Laptop Gets All The PCIe Devices | Hackaday
[13:17]	TR News	"As you may have noticed, Ive been working with an STM32 ARM CPU using Mbed." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/20/a-rotary-encoder-how-hard-can-it-be/ | Source: Hackaday
[13:17]	TR Bot	Rotary Encoder: How Hard Can It Be? | Hackaday
[13:18]	TR News	Commodore at 40 https://hackaday.com/2022/04/20/commodore-c64-the-most-popular-home-computer-ever-turns-40/ | Source: Hackaday
[13:18]	TR Bot	C64: The Most Popular Home Computer Ever Turns 40 | Hackaday
[13:19]	TR News	3D printing https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/19/honda-just-declared-war-on-3d-printer-makers-community/ | Source: Techdirt
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[13:19]	TR Bot	Just Declared War On 3D Printer Makers Community | Techdirt
[13:19]	TR News	Open Culture Remix https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/20/meet-the-judges-ccsharesculture-yana-buhrer-tavarnier/ | Source: Creative Commons
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[13:19]	TR Bot	 Meet the Judges #CCSharesCulture: Yana Buhrer Tavarnier - Creative Commons
[13:20]	TR News	"Netflix has reported a drop in subscriber numbers" https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-poses-concern-as-netflix-subscribers-drop-for-the-first-time-220420/ | Source: Torrent Freak
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[13:20]	TR Bot	Poses Concern as Netflix Subscribers Drop for the First Time * TorrentFreak
[13:20]	TR News	Attacking the Web to attack sharing and enrich the copyright cartel (the real pirates) https://torrentfreak.com/mpa-signs-anti-piracy-deal-committing-to-rolling-site-blocking-regime-220420/ | Source: Torrent Freak
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[13:20]	TR Bot	Signs New Anti-Piracy Deal Committing to "Rolling Site-Blocking Regime" * TorrentFreak
[13:22]	TR News	Musk Social, ego-boosting project and financial manipulation sandbox https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/20/elon-musks-twitter-takeover-drama-a-hand-overplayed/ | Source: Counter Punch
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[13:22]	TR Bot	Musks Twitter Takeover Drama: A Hand Overplayed? - CounterPunch.org
[13:23]	TR News	Just another source of pollution. Yuppie greenwashing. https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/20/do-cars-dream-of-an-electric-future/ | Source: Counter Punch
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[13:23]	TR Bot	Cars Dream of an Electric Future? - CounterPunch.org
[13:24]	TR News	nasa on earth day ... blocked by javascript https://www.nasa.gov/earth-day-2022/
[13:24]	TR Bot	 Earth Day 2022 | NASA
[13:24]	TR News	Microsoft TCO https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-exchange-servers-hacked-to-deploy-hive-ransomware/
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[13:24]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Exchange servers hacked to deploy Hive ransomware
[13:25]	TR News	I was always baffled by what marketscreener actually was? Webspam? Relaying anti-FUD lies for offending companies? https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/VMWARE-INC-58476/news/VMware-Challenging-the-Expectations-of-Open-Source-40101852/
[13:25]	TR Bot	: Challenging the Expectations of Open Source | MarketScreener
[13:30]	TR News	Do You Understand This? Pentagon Techs 100% Tracking Method https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/the-login-id:4 Source: RobBraxmanTech
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[13:30]	TR Bot	 Do You Understand This? Big Tech's 100% Tracking Method
[13:30]	TR News	Small File Media Festival - AUGUST 10 - 20, 2021 Simon Fraser University https://smallfile.ca/ Source: smallfile
[13:30]	TR Bot	 Small File Media Festival AUGUST 10 20, 2021 Simon Fraser University
[13:34]	TR News	Insteon Looks DeadJust Like its Users Smart Homes - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/04/19/136258 Source: soylentnews
[13:34]	TR Bot	 Insteon Looks DeadJust Like its Users Smart Homes - SoylentNews
[13:39]	TR News	"Towards Better Sharing of Cultural Heritage" https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/20/towards-better-sharing-of-cultural-heritage-workshop-help-us-develop-a-cc-open-culture-guide-for-policymakers/ | Source: Creative Commons
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[13:39]	TR Bot	 Towards Better Sharing of Cultural Heritage Workshop Help us develop a CC Open Culture Guide for Policymakers - Creative Commons
[13:39]	TR News	"Creative Commons Open Culture Remix Art Contest #CCSharesCulture is open until 30 April" https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/20/meet-the-judges-ccsharesculture-laliv-gal/ | Source: Creative Commons
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[13:39]	TR Bot	 Meet the Judges #CCSharesCulture: Laliv Gal - Creative Commons
[13:39]	TR News	"The new AlmaLinux adds support for IBM Z systems alongside its existing support of x86" https://fossforce.com/2022/04/almalinux-9-0-beta-released-testers-needed/ | Source: Unicorn Media
[13:39]	TR Bot	 AlmaLinux 9.0 Beta Released - Testers Needed - FOSS Force
[13:52]	TR News	Assange https://shadowproof.com/2022/04/20/dark-day-press-freedom-british-court-assange-extraditio/ | Source: Shadowproof
[13:52]	TR Bot	 Dark Day For Press Freedom As British Court Orders Assange Extradition
[13:56]	TR News	The patents that kill https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/20/corruption-in-drug-patents-take-away-the-money/ | Source: Counter Punch
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[13:56]	TR Bot	in Drug Patents: Take Away the Money - CounterPunch.org
[13:57]	TR News	"Whether Internet has fueled conspiracy fantasies or not, virtually all conspiracy fantasies have a few common parameters" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/20/old-nazi-and-new-conspiracy-fantasies/ | Source: Counter Punch
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[13:57]	TR Bot	Nazi and New Conspiracy Fantasies - CounterPunch.org
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[14:45]	TR News	Assange https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/20/journalism-not-crime-outrage-judge-approves-assange-extradition-us | Source: Common Dreams
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[14:45]	TR Bot	 'Journalism Is Not a Crime': Outrage as Judge Approves Assange Extradition to US
[14:45]	TR News	On trademarks https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/20/cristal-champagne-people-opposing-trademark-for-oregon-winerys-crystal-visions-wine/ | Source: Techdirt
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[14:45]	TR Bot	Champagne People Opposing Trademark For Oregon Winerys Crystal Visions Wine | Techdirt
[14:49]	TR News	Cancelnetflix https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/20/netflix-pivots-from-innovator-to-turf-protector-as-executives-whine-about-password-sharing/ | Source: Techdirt
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[14:49]	TR Bot	Pivots From Innovator To Turf Protector As Executives Whine About Password Sharing | Techdirt
[14:57]	TR News	"States including Iowa and Michigan issued bans on book donations" https://www.projectcensored.org/book-donation-bans-in-us-prisons-restrict-prisoners-rights-generate-corporate-profits/ | Source: Project Censored
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[15:00]	TR News	"Last week, Zoom announced its plans to add emotion detecting tech to its virtual meeting platform" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/20/intel-wants-to-add-unproven-emotion-detection-ai-to-distance-learning-tech/ | Source: Techdirt
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[15:00]	TR Bot	Wants To Add Unproven Emotion Detection AI To Distance Learning Tech | Techdirt
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[15:32]	TR News	TUXEDO Stellaris 15 Is the First Linux Laptop to Come Pre-Installed with Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163980
[15:32]	TR Bot	 TUXEDO Stellaris 15 Is the First Linux Laptop to Come Pre-Installed with Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
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[15:41]	MinceR	X no longer starts on my openbsd laptop
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[15:43]	TR News	GNUj/Linux market share in Ukraine estimated at 3% https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/ukraine/#monthly-200901-202204 not including Android...
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[15:43]	TR Bot	 Desktop Operating System Market Share Ukraine | Statcounter Global Stats
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[15:45]	TR News	Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats NewUbuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163981 @MariusNestor first with the news?
[15:45]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
[15:52]	TR News	Links 21/04/2022: Ubuntu LTS is Now Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/21/ubuntu-lts-is-now-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/21/ubuntu-lts-is-now-released/
[15:52]	TR Bot	 Links 21/04/2022: Ubuntu LTS is Now Released | Techrights
[15:52]	bnchs	MinceR: sad
[15:53]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163982
[15:53]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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[16:03]	MinceR	indeed
[16:03]	MinceR	and afaict NetBSD doesn't really support full disk encryption yet
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[16:23]		-amdj/Wallops-Ubuntu is releasing its latest Long Term Support version, 22.04 "Jammy Jellyfish", tonight (UTC) -- Feel free to join the launch party at #ubuntu-release-party
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[16:39]	TR News	"Alright. One small gripe about my job. We are attempting to transition our batch processing and Event Stream Processing from a centralized system (Mainframe) to a Distributed computing system." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/894
[16:40]	TR News	Two OpenWrt updates Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163983
[16:40]	TR Bot	 Two OpenWrt updates | Tux Machines
[16:40]	TR News	Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Official Flavors Released, Heres Whats New Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163984
[16:40]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Official Flavors Released, Heres Whats New | Tux Machines
[16:40]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163985
[16:40]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[17:01]	TR News	COVID-19 Numbers in the UK Havent Fallen, Testing Has Fallen (Hiding the Problem) to Lowest Levels in 1.5 Years and Death Toll Continues to Climb http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/21/over-600-deaths/
[17:01]	TR Bot	Blog Archive COVID-19 Numbers in the UK Havent Fallen, Testing Has Fallen (Hiding the Problem) to Lowest Levels in 1.5 Years and Death Toll Continues to Climb
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[17:50]	TR News	A Month After the Massive Strike Across Europe the Union of EPO Workers Proceeds Against Salary Adjustment Procedure (Reduction), Based on Managers Hoax | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/21/suepo-vs-salary-adjustment-procedure/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/21/suepo-vs-salary-adjustment-procedure/
[17:50]	TR Bot	 A Month After the Massive Strike Across Europe the Union of EPO Workers Proceeds Against Salary Adjustment Procedure (Reduction), Based on Managers Hoax | Techrights
[17:56]	TR News	[Meme] EPOs Ombuds Service is Like a Yellow Union (Following Disbandment of the Audit Committee) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/21/yellow-ombuds/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/21/yellow-ombuds/
[17:56]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPOs Ombuds Service is Like a Yellow Union (Following Disbandment of the Audit Committee) | Techrights
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[18:09]	TR News	Next for Gemini: More Mainstream Adoption | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/21/geminispace-mainstream-adoption/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/21/geminispace-mainstream-adoption/
[18:09]	TR Bot	 Next for Gemini: More Mainstream Adoption | Techrights
[18:09]	TR News	Ubuntu Unity 22.04 LTS Released with Flatpak and Flathub Support, New Default Apps Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163986
[18:09]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Unity 22.04 LTS Released with Flatpak and Flathub Support, New Default Apps | Tux Machines
[18:23]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163987
[18:23]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[18:28]	bnchs	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_and_Florida_House_Bill_1557
[18:28]	TR Bot	 Disney and Florida House Bill 1557 - Wikipedia
[18:28]	bnchs	disney: "we support LGBT"
[18:28]	bnchs	disney: "don't say gay in the classrooms"
[18:34]	psydruid	disnay
[18:40]	activelow	https://www.dw.com/en/elon-musk-says-he-has-465-billion-for-twitter-takeover-bid/a-61547494
[18:40]	TR Bot	Musk says he has $46.5 billion for Twitter takeover bid | News | DW | 21.04.2022
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[18:52]	barto	greetings everyone
[18:52]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[18:52]	SomeH4x0r	matey didn't show up for much time today
[18:53]	barto	right
[18:53]	barto	maybe he'll show up soon
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[19:11]	TR News	"When you create a device thats more open than the usual, you can expect good things to come from the community of tinkerers out there. This time, theres an excellent initiative for theming, by tweaking the SteamOS interface to use different colors or looks with CSS rules injection (and probably more). Going boldly where no other handheld has gone before!" https://boilingsteam.com/the-steam-deck-gets-a-theming-plugin/
[19:11]	TR Bot	 The Steam Deck Gets a Theming Plugin - Boiling Steam
[19:12]	TR News	GulagTube "influencer" SPAM. Does Intel stoop this low? Sure it does, it never gets held accountable anyway... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Puk_5_5wAFY
[19:12]	TR Bot	https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=Puk_5_5wAFY
[19:12]	TR Bot	youtube.076.ne.jp | My Intel NUC Mini PC Setup - Invidious
[19:14]	TR News	"Remember Monkey Island and Tomb Raider 1? yeah wanna play it on GNU Linux? yeeeessss!" https://dwaves.de/2022/04/21/gnu-linux-run-old-dos-games-and-windows-games-from-wine-to-dosbox-x-how-to-compile-from-latest-src-first-problems-keyboard-some-keys-not-working/
[19:14]	TR Bot	GNU Linux run old dos games (and windo(w)s games) from wine to dosbox-x how to compile from latest src first problems: keyboard / some keys : not working | dwaves.de
[19:17]	TR News	Ubuntu 22.04 LTS is out now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163981#comment-33407
[19:17]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
[19:18]	TR News	GOG do a few more upgrades, this time adding 170 game tags | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/gog-do-a-few-more-upgrades-this-time-adding-170-game-tags/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
[19:18]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/gog-do-a-few-more-upgrades-this-time-adding-170-game-tags/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/gog-do-a-few-more-upgrades-this-time-adding-170-game-tags/
[19:18]	TR Bot	do a few more upgrades, this time adding 170 game tags | GamingOnLinux
[19:20]	SomeH4x0r	GOG is fake
[19:20]	TR News	"Smartphone gaming accessory maker GameSir is crowdfunding a new controller with a built-in fan." LOL! https://liliputing.com/2022/04/lilbits-pixel-watch-leak-a-smartphone-game-controller-with-a-cooling-fan-and-a-pocket-sized-modular-laptop-under-development-and.html
[19:20]	TR Bot	Pixel Watch leak, a smartphone game controller with a cooling fan, and a pocket-sized modular laptop under development, and - Liliputing
[19:20]	SomeH4x0r	they don't care about DRM-free but they keep lying
[19:20]	schestowitz	psydruid: ^^ I'm not a fan
[19:21]	schestowitz-TR	DRM <3 Linux
[19:23]	SomeH4x0r	https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1
[19:23]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: gog.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1
[19:23]	TR Bot	on GOG: list of single-player games with DRM, page 1 - Forum - GOG.com
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[19:26]	DaemonFC	Russ down at Chevy recommended a good body shop to me to fix some imperfections.
[19:26]	DaemonFC	There's some minor rust that I found that I really want to lose right now before it becomes an eyesore and eats into anything.
[19:27]	DaemonFC	They quoted me a decent price.
[19:27]	DaemonFC	I can make this car look like it just came out of the factory.
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[19:36]	SomeH4x0r	Maybe GOG was a good compromise initially (to let people play old games legally), but then it went shit
[19:37]	bnchs	netfilx is losing subscribers
[19:37]	bnchs	and blaming it on "password sharing"
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs: could be ruse or fake
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	they usually prepare the excuses upfront
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	like FB did
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	or Microsoft with security
[19:38]	bnchs	no it's obvious
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	the idea is that you create a straw man
[19:38]	bnchs	first of all they increased the prices again
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	then you disclosure the bad news to shareholders
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	like Apple with "shortages"
[19:39]	schestowitz-TR	EPO does this too
[19:39]	schestowitz-TR	make a scapegoat
[19:40]	TR News	Vietnams new social media take-down rules will intensify state censorship they must be revoked - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/vietnams-social-media-take-down-rules/ Source: accessnow
[19:40]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/vietnams-social-media-take-down-rules/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/vietnams-social-media-take-down-rules/
[19:40]	TR Bot	 Vietnams new social media take-down rules will intensify state censorship they must be revoked - Access Now
[19:41]	bnchs	"Netflixs share price has tumbled after it announced a net loss of 200,000 subscribers globally, and expects to lose a further two million over the next three months. Its share price slid more than 35% in early trading on Wednesday following the announcement, wiping around $55bn (42bn) off its value. "
[19:41]	bnchs	https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/apr/20/why-is-netflix-losing-so-many-subscribers-and-what-can-it-do-about-it
[19:41]	TR Bot	 Why is Netflix losing so many subscribers and what can it do about it? | Netflix | The Guardian
[19:41]	schestowitz-TR	I can think of countless examples
[19:41]	schestowitz-TR	inc. Vistsa 11 usage and vaccine shortfall
[19:41]	schestowitz-TR	they blame the people first
[19:42]	bnchs	and the fall of FB
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	"it's not that the vaccine has low efficacy"
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	"you're not holding it up right!"
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	sour grapes
[19:42]	DaemonFC	https://www.makeuseof.com/check-before-downloading-files-online/?utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1650375299
[19:42]	TR Bot	 7 Things to Check Before Downloading Files Online
[19:42]	DaemonFC	I commented:
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	"we don't need no stinking users anyway, now we'e a METAVERSE company"
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	"voila! now we have a new name! META!'
[19:43]	DaemonFC	https://pastebin.com/svwyQBGS
[19:43]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: pastebin.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pastebin.com/svwyQBGS https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pastebin.com/svwyQBGS
[19:43]	TR Bot	Search for the Official SourcesDNF and Flathub are the official sources. - Pastebin.com
[19:43]	schestowitz-TR	HRC did not lose the elction
[19:43]	schestowitz-TR	"RUSHAN TROLLS"
[19:43]	SomeH4x0r	DaemonFC: don't spread evil links
[19:44]	SomeH4x0r	https://www.makeuseof.com/check-before-downloading-files-online/
[19:44]	TR Bot	 7 Things to Check Before Downloading Files Online
[19:44]	schestowitz-TR	Tesla had NO WHISTLEBLOWER
[19:44]	bnchs	"piracy" is starting to look attractive
[19:44]	schestowitz-TR	he was a "MASS SHOOTER"
[19:44]	bnchs	schestowitz-TR, i remember that
[19:45]	bnchs	"uh yes 911, this whistleblower- i mean shooter is planning to shoot up the gigafactory"
[19:45]	bnchs	"pls swat him nao"
[19:46]	schestowitz-TR	"this vaccine works great, but so many people still die because... ANTIVAXXERS!!"
[19:47]	TR News	Let Your Memes Be Dreams https://www.supergoodcode.com/do-not/
[19:47]	TR Bot	 Do Not Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.
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[19:49]	psydruid	> psydruid: ^^ I'm not a fan
[19:49]	psydruid	If you aren't a fan, I won't be one either
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[19:50]	TR News	Crawl back to your hole, SPAMNIL. "Skills Shortage Is Delaying Cloud Adoption" ... no outsourcing is NOT a skill and clown computing is a lunacy for the clueless, careless, and reckless, promoted by corporate spammers like SPAMNIL.
[19:52]	TR News	Clown is NOT a skill, unless you try or hope to work in a circus http://techrights.org/2020/06/10/the-bezos-leaning-ploy/
[19:52]	TR Bot	 AWS is Not GNU/Linux and AWS Certification is a Bezos-Leaning Ploy That Rewards People for Memorising Proprietary Interfaces (Vendor Lock-in) | Techrights
[19:52]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: a fan in the console
[19:53]	schestowitz-TR	a fan in the controller
[19:53]	schestowitz-TR	by 2025 a fan in each button in the controller
[19:53]	schestowitz-TR	this console has "LOTS OF FANS!"
[19:53]	psydruid	that's one of the reasons why I dismiss the Steam Deck
[19:54]	schestowitz-TR	one reviewer from the UK said the battery lasts one hour
[19:54]	psydruid	it's 2022, I don't want fans in my computers anymore
[19:54]	schestowitz-TR	if you run GPU-intensive AAA title
[19:54]	schestowitz-TR	and if you run some shitty ugly game it'll last as advertised
[19:54]	schestowitz-TR	otherwise you will need many booster packs
[19:54]	schestowitz-TR	which is an extra cost and something else to carry
[19:54]	bnchs	steam deck is only good for playing... valve's games
[19:54]	bnchs	and games built on valve's engine
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[19:54]	bnchs	anything else is poorly optimized and will eat up your battery
[19:55]	psydruid	it's good for Valve's captive x86-based audience, but not for me
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[19:56]	schestowitz-TR	o y u so negative !!
[19:56]	psydruid	sometimes I can use this tablet for 2 days without charging
[19:57]	psydruid	that's what I would also like to see in a handheld device
[19:57]	psydruid	oh sowwy
[19:58]	psydruid	I didn't mean to be so negative, I just didn't want to come across as being completely stupid
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[19:59]	TR News	PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL Conference Europe: Call for Papers https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/postgresql-conference-europe-call-for-papers-2442/ Source: postgresql
[19:59]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL Conference Europe: Call for Papers
[19:59]	psydruid	also Fedora RISC-V looks dead, unless they took it underground into a secret Nazi bunker
[19:59]	bnchs	i would like to build my game on top of an engine with tons of security vulnerabilites
[19:59]	bnchs	- valve shills
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[20:01]	bnchs	https://www.eurogamer.net/valve-finally-fixes-cs-go-exploit-that-could-give-hackers-control-of-pcs
[20:01]	TR News	Workflows or how I tried to give up and love Emacs gemini://going-flying.com/~mernisse/27.gmi
[20:01]	TR Bot	finally fixes CS:GO exploit that could give hackers control of PCs | Eurogamer.net
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[20:02]	bnchs	valve is like microsoft, they fix security flaws... years after they were reported
[20:02]	psydruid	helping DRM-infested closed source x86-only game companies isn't helping free software, it's rather the antithesis
[20:02]	TR News	Jazzmaster - Pickguard Replacement & Re-shielding gemini://rawtext.club/~mieum/music/2022-04-22-jazzmaster_pickguard.gmi
[20:03]	bnchs	https://www.thefpsreview.com/2021/04/10/valve-accused-of-ignoring-remote-code-execution-vulnerability-affecting-all-source-engine-games/
[20:03]	TR Bot	 Valve Accused of Ignoring Remote Code Execution Vulnerability Affecting All Source Engine Games - The FPS Review
[20:03]	psydruid	although in the case of having to choose between Valve and Epic/Microsoft it's the lesser of the two evils
[20:03]	bnchs	when you rely on proprietary game engine, you rely on them for fixes
[20:03]	SomeH4x0r	psydruid: some players want to play old games, but want to do it "legally" for various purposes.
[20:04]	SomeH4x0r	Some are just lazy to pay for VPN and waste *much* more money on evil game stores.
[20:04]	TR News	Many "Jazzmasters" were black. And they never felt offended to be called that.
[20:04]	TR News	Proton 7.0-2 Makes More Games Playable on Linux, Fixes Numerous Bugs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163988
[20:04]	TR Bot	 Proton 7.0-2 Makes More Games Playable on Linux, Fixes Numerous Bugs | Tux Machines
[20:04]	psydruid	SomeH4x0r, that is fine and I wish them good luck and a lot of fun
[20:05]	TR News	ICBM: patent troll and anti-Linux troll that sometimes makes nukes and mainframes
[20:11]	TR News	BillBC marketing for Bill "well, he's dead" GAIDS https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220419-how-effective-are-covid-19-vaccines-for-people-with-hiv?ocid=global_future_rss
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[20:11]	TR Bot	effective are Covid-19 vaccines for people with HIV? - BBC Future
[20:12]	bnchs	i remember the gmod cough virus
[20:13]	bnchs	it was a exploit that exploited some kind of remote code execution on the source engine
[20:13]	TR News	howtoforge has now been dead for months. You can only access it if you run some proprietary software on your computer.
[20:13]	bnchs	it spread to the game's copy and then to other users
[20:14]	TR News	LLVM, PipeWire, git update in Tumbleweed Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163989
[20:14]	TR Bot	 LLVM, PipeWire, git update in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines
[20:18]	TR News	Ubuntu has a new release today and TechRadar decided it's time to promote Microsoft's ATTACK on GNU/Linux... with WSL puff pieces. WSL should be eradicated. It's an EEE-type attack on all of us.
[20:18]	TR News	8 Linux Tips for Student Programmers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163990
[20:18]	TR Bot	 8 Linux Tips for Student Programmers | Tux Machines
[20:21]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163991
[20:21]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[20:22]	TR News	"Our take on why Fedora's Legacy BIOS plans have stirred up such a strong debate, how NVIDIA's Linux strategy seems to be changing, and a surprising kernel patch from Sony." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148292/linux-action-news-237/
[20:22]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148292/linux-action-news-237/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148292/linux-action-news-237/
[20:22]	TR Bot	 Linux Action News 237 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[20:23]	TR News	"Full system backups with FFS snapshots, ZFS and dump(8), tuning recordsize in OpenZFS, Optimizing FreeBSD Power Consumption on Modern Intel Laptops, remember to check for ZFS filesystems being mounted, Use tcpdump to save wireless bridge, and more" https://www.bsdnow.tv/451
[20:23]	TR Bot	 BSD Now 451: Tuning ZFS recordsize
[20:24]	bnchs	i do like steam deck that it makes game devs port their game to GNU/Linux
[20:24]	TR News	Gemini is fast growing and outgrowing its geeky roots; were seeing a lot more capsules and weve noticed a broader range of topics lately http://techrights.org/2022/04/21/geminispace-mainstream-adoption/
[20:24]	TR Bot	 Next for Gemini: More Mainstream Adoption | Techrights
[20:25]	TR News	With banksters [sic] running Europes second-largest institution and repeatedly breaking the law (while making up new roles, including theatrics for optics such as new Ombuds service) we expect things to worsen; the staff union thankfully strikes back http://techrights.org/2022/04/21/suepo-vs-salary-adjustment-procedure/
[20:25]	TR Bot	 A Month After the Massive Strike Across Europe the Union of EPO Workers Proceeds Against Salary Adjustment Procedure (Reduction), Based on Managers Hoax | Techrights
[20:25]	bnchs	but at the same time, i don't like how insecure these game engines typically are (for multiplayer/networking games)
[20:25]	MinceR	same
[20:25]	TR News	The EPO's Ombuds service is basically not there to hold the management accountable; its there just for optics http://techrights.org/2022/04/21/yellow-ombuds/
[20:25]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPOs Ombuds Service is Like a Yellow Union (Following Disbandment of the Audit Committee) | Techrights
[20:25]	MinceR	that's what made me get a separate PC for gaming
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[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.05 k/sec., IPFS upstream 31.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 272.56
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[21:12]	TR News	Yo Tony http://techrights.org/2022/04/21/yellow-ombuds/
[21:16]	TR News	SmartOS 20220421 is out http://smartos.org/
[21:16]	TR Bot	 SmartOS | Joyent
[21:18]	TR News	A few days have passed and Kodachi 8.20 is out. version bump again.https://www.digi77.com/linux-kodachi/
[21:18]	TR Bot	 Linux Kodachi 8.20 The Secure OS | Eagle Eye | Nonprofit Organization
[21:19]	TR News	ICBM faking it again after offloading the 'unwanted' bits https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/ibm_q1_2022/
[21:19]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/ibm_q1_2022/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/ibm_q1_2022/
[21:19]	TR Bot	 IBM beats the Street for Q1 2022, talks of changed focus The Register
[21:20]	TR News	58: Portable Monitors & Action Cameras, Stuff A Hardware Addict Needs For The Road! - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/hardware-addicts/ha-58/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux
[21:20]	TR Bot	Portable Monitors & Action Cameras, Stuff A Hardware Addict Needs For The Road! - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital
[21:21]	TR News	OpenBSD 7.1 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163992
[21:21]	TR Bot	 OpenBSD 7.1 | Tux Machines
[21:22]	TR News	"The affected product does not properly sanitize input while processing a specific project file, allowing a possible out-of-bounds read condition." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-111-01
[21:22]	TR Bot	 Delta Electronics ASDA-Soft | CISA
[21:23]	TR News	Geek Guide: Purpose-Built Linux for Embedded Solutions | Linux Journal https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/geek-guide-purpose-built-linux-embedded-solutions Source: LinuxJournal | GNU | Linux
[21:23]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxjournal.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/geek-guide-purpose-built-linux-embedded-solutions https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/geek-guide-purpose-built-linux-embedded-solutions
[21:23]	TR Bot	 Geek Guide: Purpose-Built Linux for Embedded Solutions | Linux Journal
[21:24]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/five_eyes_russia/ "securing and monitoring remote desktop protocol (RDP) and other "potentially risky" services"
[21:24]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/five_eyes_russia/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/five_eyes_russia/
[21:24]	TR Bot	 Five Eyes fear fresh Russian attacks against infrastructure The Register
[21:26]	TR News	The Openwashing Foundation does IBM openwashing/marketing https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/open-mainframe-project-launches-call-for-proposals-for-the-3rd-annual-open-mainframe-summit-on-september-21-22-in-philadelphia-pa-301530197.html
[21:26]	TR Bot	 Open Mainframe Project Launches Call for Proposals for the 3rd Annual Open Mainframe Summit on September 21-22 in Philadelphia, PA
[21:27]	TR News	ICBM is open... for business
[21:29]	TR News	Holes found... in "linux-azure"... Microsoft cancer (proprietary NSAware) inside Linux https://lwn.net/Articles/892214/
[21:29]	TR Bot	updates for Thursday [LWN.net]
[21:30]	TR News	The cost of proprietary software https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/04/25/how-democracies-spy-on-their-citizens
[21:30]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: newyorker.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/04/25/how-democracies-spy-on-their-citizens https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/04/25/how-democracies-spy-on-their-citizens
[21:30]	TR Bot	 How Democracies Spy on Their Citizens | The New Yorker
[21:32]	TR News	Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-111-02 proprietary software
[21:32]	TR Bot	 Johnson Controls Metasys SCT Pro | CISA
[21:32]	TR News	EU Parliaments draft of AI Act: predictive policing is banned, but work remains to protect peoples rights - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/ai-act-predictive-policing/ Source: accessnow
[21:32]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/ai-act-predictive-policing/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/ai-act-predictive-policing/
[21:32]	TR Bot	 EU Parliaments draft of AI Act: predictive policing is banned, but work remains to protect peoples rights - Access Now
[21:33]	TR News	PyCon is bribed by criminals from Microsoft, just like the OSI, so... https://blog.opensource.org/join-us-at-pycon-2022/
[21:33]	TR Bot	 Join us at PyCon 2022
[21:35]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/emotet-resurgence-email/
[21:35]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/emotet-resurgence-email/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/emotet-resurgence-email/
[21:35]	TR Bot	 Emotet reestablishes itself at the top of the malware world The Register
[21:36]	TR News	Gulagtube <3 gulags https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/youtube_blocks_hong_kong_candidate/
[21:36]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/youtube_blocks_hong_kong_candidate/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/youtube_blocks_hong_kong_candidate/
[21:36]	TR Bot	 YouTube blocks Hong Kong's presumed next head of government The Register
[21:37]	schestowitz	AMD POR SPAM https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/mercedes_f1_amd_epyc/
[21:37]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/mercedes_f1_amd_epyc/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/mercedes_f1_amd_epyc/
[21:37]	TR Bot	 Epyc CPUs helped Mercedes win F1 constructor gong, says AMD The Register
[21:37]	psydruid	AMD <3 MALWARE
[21:38]	psydruid	let's improve on that
[21:39]	psydruid	AMD = MALWARE
[21:42]	TR News	Nix 2.8.0 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163993
[21:42]	TR Bot	 Nix 2.8.0 released | Tux Machines
[21:43]	TR News	Looking to be taken over? https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/
[21:43]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: techcrunch.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/
[21:43]	TR Bot	now hopes to IPO in 2023 TechCrunch
[21:45]	TR News	Ubuntu used to have an actual community. Now it wants a shareholders community. It helps helps criminals from Microsoft. Wrongly thinking it's a worthwhile business strategy...
[21:46]	schestowitz-TR	*Also helps
[21:51]	TR News	Xubuntu 22.04: New Since 21.10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163981#comment-33410
[21:51]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
[21:52]	TR News	The terms "digital transformation" would likely mean increase complexity and buy support https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/digital-transformation-4-truths
[21:52]	TR Bot	 Digital transformation: 4 outdated notions to move past | The Enterprisers Project
[21:53]	TR News	ICBM on clown-native https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/continuous-integration-success-factors
[21:53]	TR Bot	 Continuous integration: 5 key success factors | The Enterprisers Project
[21:54]	TR News	Slaves for ICBM: give your T-shirt as reward for your hard labour. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-contributor-tee-shirt-giveaway-claim-yours-today/
[21:54]	TR Bot	 Fedora Contributor Tee Shirt Giveaway: Claim yours today! Fedora Community Blog
[21:55]	TR News	<a href="https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/04/21/bind-kafka-cluster-nodejs-application-easy-way"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
[21:55]	TR Bot	 Bind a Kafka cluster to a Node.js application the easy way | Red Hat Developer
[21:58]	TR News	Audiocasts/Shows: Hardware Addicts, BSD Now, Linux Action News, and TLLTS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163994
[21:58]	TR Bot	 Audiocasts/Shows: Hardware Addicts, BSD Now, Linux Action News, and TLLTS | Tux Machines
[21:58]	TR News	Games: Steam, GOG, and GameSir Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163995
[21:58]	TR Bot	 Games: Steam, GOG, and GameSir | Tux Machines
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[22:02]	TR News	"A now-former eBay security director accused of harassing a couple who wrote a critical newsletter about the internet tat bazaar is set to plead guilty to cyberstalking. James Baugh, of San Jose, California, was charged with conspiracy to commit cyberstalking and conspiracy to tamper with witnesses, alongside six former colleagues in a baffling case brought in 2020." https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/exebay_director_cyberstalkin
[22:02]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/exebay_director_cyberstalkin )
[22:02]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/exebay_director_cyberstalkin https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/exebay_director_cyberstalkin
[22:06]	TR News	PCLinuxOS: More updates today http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156465#comment-33411
[22:06]	TR Bot	 Kernel and Browser Updates in PCLinuxOS | Tux Machines
[22:07]	TR News	Quit quoting Gartner. Gartner Group is a bunch of frauds. https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/asm_ceo_industrial_conglomerate_buying/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
[22:07]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/asm_ceo_industrial_conglomerate_buying/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/asm_ceo_industrial_conglomerate_buying/
[22:07]	TR Bot	 ASML CEO: Mega-firm buying washing machines to rip out chips The Register
[22:07]	TR Bot	 Gartner Group - Techrights
[22:07]	TR News	IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163996
[22:07]	TR Bot	 IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:07]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163997
[22:07]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:08]	TR News	Seems like promotional webspam, not news. Those cars are barely even used anywhere. https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/uk_self_driving_highway_code/
[22:08]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/uk_self_driving_highway_code/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/uk_self_driving_highway_code/
[22:08]	TR Bot	 UK gov changing Highway Code for self-driving vehicles The Register
[22:09]	TR News	Does Gartner pay The Register to pretend frauds from Gartner are some sort of geniuses? https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/oracle_contracts_pricing_gartner/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
[22:09]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/oracle_contracts_pricing_gartner/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/oracle_contracts_pricing_gartner/
[22:09]	TR Bot	 Oracle contracts and pricing a 'challenge' says Gartner The Register
[22:10]	TR News	Public Knowledge Commends FCC for Moving To Improve Spectrum Efficiency https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-commends-fcc-for-moving-to-improve-spectrum-efficiency/ Source: publicknowledge
[22:10]	TR Bot	 Public Knowledge Commends FCC for Moving To Improve Spectrum Efficiency - Public Knowledge
[22:11]	TR News	"Today, the Federal Communications Commission voted to approve a Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to seek comment on proposals to bolster the effectiveness of the Wireless Emergency Alerts system." https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-welcomes-fcc-action-to-improve-wireless-emergency-alert-system/
[22:11]	TR Bot	 Public Knowledge Welcomes FCC Action To Improve Wireless Emergency Alert System - Public Knowledge
[22:11]	TR News	A lot of the time clown computing hype makes simpler tasks even harder https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/771191/aws-s3-file-transfer-from-a-non-aws-linux-server/
[22:11]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/771191/aws-s3-file-transfer-from-a-non-aws-linux-server/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/771191/aws-s3-file-transfer-from-a-non-aws-linux-server/
[22:11]	TR Bot	 AWS S3 file transfer from a non-AWS Linux server - Linux & Unix
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.eu/AnalysisIntrex/status/1517043397395202049#m
[22:13]	TR Bot	 IntrexAnalysis (@AnalysisIntrex): "#DiplomatDistributors @NoamWeiman and #Schestowitz @YoniSchestowitz this should impact #Russian imports to #Israel, no? @haaretzcom @AIPAC @WorldJewishCong" | nitter
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	why the f* does this even name me?
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	twitter is noise machine
[22:16]	TR News	mesa 22.1.0-rc2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163998
[22:16]	TR Bot	 mesa 22.1.0-rc2 | Tux Machines
[22:17]	TR News	Why would anyone want to use this WSL garbage? Notice how it's mostly PRO-WINDOWS sites promoting it. https://www.thewindowsclub.com/error-occurred-mounting-one-of-your-file-systems-wsl
[22:17]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: thewindowsclub.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thewindowsclub.com/error-occurred-mounting-one-of-your-file-systems-wsl https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thewindowsclub.com/error-occurred-mounting-one-of-your-file-systems-wsl
[22:17]	TR Bot	 An error occurred mounting one of your file systems on WSL
[22:20]	TR News	Sweatshop workers cannot unionise. These might be able to. https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/apple_atlanta_union/
[22:20]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/apple_atlanta_union/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/apple_atlanta_union/
[22:20]	TR Bot	 Apple Store staff in Atlanta first to vote to unionize The Register
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[22:22]	TR News	BEELINK is trying to associate itself with "Linux" while it FORCES you to pay for Microsoft Windows and comes PRE-loaded with that malware. https://www.gizchina.com/2022/04/21/beelink-ser4-mini-pc-the-smaller-the-size-the-bigger-the-punch/
[22:22]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: gizchina.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gizchina.com/2022/04/21/beelink-ser4-mini-pc-the-smaller-the-size-the-bigger-the-punch/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gizchina.com/2022/04/21/beelink-ser4-mini-pc-the-smaller-the-size-the-bigger-the-punch/
[22:22]	TR Bot	 Beelink SER4 mini PC: the smaller the size, the bigger the punch
[22:22]	TR News	"a wasteful, expensive exercise in futility." https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/us_chips_tsmc/
[22:22]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/us_chips_tsmc/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/20/us_chips_tsmc/
[22:22]	TR Bot	 US chip output growth a futile exercise, warns TSMC founder The Register
[22:23]	TR News	GCC 11.3 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163999
[22:23]	TR Bot	 GCC 11.3 Released | Tux Machines
[22:24]	TR News	A rather bizarre blog post from Canonical today https://ubuntu.com//blog/digital-transformation-logistics
[22:24]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/digital-transformation-logistics https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntu.com//blog/digital-transformation-logistics
[22:24]	TR Bot	centricity the digital transformation driver in the logistics sector | Ubuntu
[22:26]	TR News	"Allwinner A133 is also a tablet processor, but being launched more recently, it supports Android 10. Im not so sure about Linux support. Its listed on linux-sunxi website as a sun50i variant just like the Allwinner A64 that is well supported in Linux" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/21/pop32-pop64-sips-combine-allwinner-a33-and-a133-with-sdram-into-a-single-package/
[22:26]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/21/pop32-pop64-sips-combine-allwinner-a33-and-a133-with-sdram-into-a-single-package/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/21/pop32-pop64-sips-combine-allwinner-a33-and-a133-with-sdram-into-a-single-package/
[22:26]	TR Bot	 POP32 & POP64 SIPs combine Allwinner A33 and A133 with SDRAM into a single package - CNX Software
[22:27]	TR News	"The BGA socket is simply soldered on the board instead of the RAM chip itself, and as demonstrated on the MangoPi MQ Pro board, you could then insert the chip on the board instead of soldering it." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/21/bga-socket-allows-ram-upgrades-on-sbcs/
[22:27]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/21/bga-socket-allows-ram-upgrades-on-sbcs/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/21/bga-socket-allows-ram-upgrades-on-sbcs/
[22:27]	TR Bot	 BGA socket allows RAM upgrades on SBCs - CNX Software
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[22:43]	TR News	"What is the enthusiast trap, and why does it seem to ensnarl every successful open source project? Also, some excellent listener power user tips for NextCloud." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8254
[22:45]	TR News	"With the release of Ubuntu 22.04 LTS "Jammy Jellyfish", we have an updated desktop experience with custom features, and long-term support for three years. In this video, we'll take a look at the installation process. Nothing much has changed in the installer, but if you haven't seen what the process looks like yet, then this video is for you." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_8cD4HFvhc
[22:45]	TR Bot	https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=f_8cD4HFvhc
[22:45]	TR Bot	reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=f_8cD4HFvhc )
[22:45]	TR News	Ubuntu 22.04 LTS "Jammy Jellyfish" Full Review - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7AtyPdw5qNw Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
[22:45]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 LTS "Jammy Jellyfish" Full Review - Invidious
[22:46]	TR News	"In this video, I am going to show an overview of Ubuntu 22.04 LTS and some of the applications pre-installed." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRirhIprPG8
[22:46]	TR Bot	https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=LRirhIprPG8
[22:46]	TR Bot	timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=LRirhIprPG8 )
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[22:48]	TR News	Dirk Hohndel goes to Cardano for openwashing after doing openwashing for Intel for almost 15 years, then covering up for VMware('s abuses) for a few. Started with Linux, turned to openwashing PR.
[22:48]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: oi
[22:48]	schestowitz-TR	SomeH4x0r was looking for you
[22:48]	schestowitz-TR	[18:52] <SomeH4x0r> matey didn't show up for much time today
[22:51]	matey	<schestowitz-TR> SomeH4x0r was looking for you <- his friend has awful timing
[22:51]	matey	he wants me to talk to someone who is never online when i am
[22:51]	schestowitz-TR	very different timezone
[22:51]	schestowitz-TR	US and Ukraine
[22:51]	matey	its not simply about timezones
[22:51]	matey	i talk to very different timezones on a daily basis
[22:52]	matey	its simply about timing and schedules
[22:52]	matey	his friend tends to JUST miss me
[22:52]	matey	not much i can do about it
[22:54]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, he seemed eager to talk
[22:54]	schestowitz-TR	(and has difficult times)
[22:55]	matey	(sure, but considering its someone ive never spoken to before)
[22:55]	matey	at any rate ive proposed a solution that should accomodate his schedule
[22:56]	matey	i feel if anything theres some rigidity and unwillingness to problem solve on the other side making this impractical
[22:56]	TR News	"I'm not sure how to finish this post, so I'll just shout out "GNU tetris" a few times." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/895
[22:57]	matey	the ball is in their court as it were
[22:57]	matey	but complaining to me wont move my schedule around, as i said theres nothing i can do about it
[22:58]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164000
[22:58]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:59]	schestowitz-TR	matey: maybe he will see logs of scrollback
[22:59]	MinceR	and now x starts again
[22:59]	MinceR	just from rebooting twice
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 38.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 35.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 348.25
[22:59]	MinceR	why does openbsd have to copy windows?
[22:59]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, today the "news" was all about Ubunti
[22:59]	schestowitz-TR	it might even be called noise. *Ubuntu
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[23:01]	psydroid2	Microsoft sponsorship
[23:02]	schestowitz-TR	freebsd takes more money
[23:02]	schestowitz-TR	relatively speaking too
[23:03]	schestowitz-TR	openbsd took it under the pretext of openssh work
[23:03]	MinceR	maybe X randomly breaks and heals between reboots on freebsd too
[23:03]	schestowitz-TR	and since then the amount decreased, IIRC
[23:03]	schestowitz-TR	we mentioned this months ago
[23:03]	MinceR	just for the hell of it
[23:03]	matey	<MinceR> why does openbsd have to copy windows? <- if you want to make x stop starting its rcctl disable xenodm i think
[23:03]	MinceR	it was enabled all the time
[23:03]	bnchs	schestowitz-TR, libera did a network-wide wallop ad about ubuntu
[23:03]	MinceR	but before this reboot, xenodm would just fail to start
[23:04]	MinceR	running startx would list a whole bunch of libraries that ld.so couldn't load, with the line "Killed" after each one
[23:04]	schestowitz	-amdj/Wallops- Ubuntu is releasing its latest Long Term Support version, 22.04 "Jammy Jellyfish", tonight (UTC) -- Feel free to join the launch party at #ubuntu-release-party
[23:04]	schestowitz	iirc, last time they dikd this was FSF getting new ED
[23:04]	MinceR	i unplugged my usb devices in an attempt to see if that fixes anything, which didn't fix anything, but it did break networking, so i rebooted to fix that and xenodm came up
[23:04]	matey	mincer have you ever tried the friendly bsd forum?
[23:04]	MinceR	no
[23:04]	matey	its nice. they do every bsd
[23:05]	matey	theyre noob friendly but knowedgable
[23:05]	schestowitz-TR	release "party"
[23:05]	schestowitz-TR	like Microsoft sending Vista 7 party packs
[23:05]	matey	search for "unitedbsd" forum
[23:05]	schestowitz-TR	[21:43] <techrights-news> Looking to be taken over? https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/
[23:05]	MinceR	normal updates shouldn't break X
[23:05]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: techcrunch.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/
[23:05]	TR Bot	now hopes to IPO in 2023 TechCrunch
[23:05]	MinceR	and it shouldn't randomly come and go across reboots
[23:05]	matey	it looks like discource but its something lighter/less stupid
[23:06]	matey	youve got some serious issue there. i have one machine that cant boot x unless i create xorg.conf
[23:06]	matey	just one
[23:06]	matey	i dont use it for x though
[23:06]	schestowitz-TR	Ubuntu/Canonical Ltd: looking for extras. Apply now. Salary: none.
[23:06]	MinceR	(i also unplugged a display via hdmi and then replugged it but that didn't affect anything)
[23:06]	MinceR	yeah, the serious issue is that the entire IT industry is a trash fire
[23:06]	schestowitz-TR	[21:54] <techrights-news> Slaves for ICBM: give your T-shirt as reward for your hard labour. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-contributor-tee-shirt-giveaway-claim-yours-today/
[23:06]	TR Bot	 Fedora Contributor Tee Shirt Giveaway: Claim yours today! Fedora Community Blog
[23:06]	matey	youre using a server os as a desktop os. it works pretty well usually...
[23:06]	MinceR	nothing people make fucking works properly
[23:06]	schestowitz-TR	ICBM: come work for us
[23:07]	schestowitz-TR	we'll give you something to cover your nipples with
[23:07]	MinceR	and none of it makes any sense
[23:07]	matey	the forums very nice. i learned gnu/linux from forums
[23:07]	matey	i use bsd forums a lot less
[23:07]	matey	when i started using gnu/linux i had no idea what to search for
[23:08]	matey	sometimes that applies here as well
[23:08]	matey	forums are great for that sort of problem
[23:08]	schestowitz-TR	matey: thanks for advertising to me NOT to use openbsd on this laptop
[23:08]	schestowitz-TR	I thought about doing it 3 weeks ago
[23:08]	matey	thanks for advertising to me NOT to use openbsd on this laptop <- youre missing the point
[23:09]	MinceR	wait until MICROS~1 and ibm/deadrat breaks Linux on it too
[23:09]	matey	it has worked on every laptop ive used it on-- better then freebsd and netbsd even.
[23:09]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: I need certain h/w and s/w
[23:09]	schestowitz-TR	openbsd would not support it
[23:09]	schestowitz-TR	on server I would not need these
[23:09]	MinceR	they don't care
[23:10]	matey	in fact i didnt try openbsd until freebsd and netbsd failed to run on a laptop
[23:10]	matey	but openbsd did
[23:10]	matey	with things like the pi its the other way around-- netbsd will be more reliable there
[23:10]	matey	for now
[23:10]	TR News	Links 21/04/2022: Two OpenWrt Updates, OpenBSD 7.1, Nix 2.8.0, and GCC 11.3 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/21/gcc-11-3-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/21/gcc-11-3-released/
[23:10]	TR Bot	 Links 21/04/2022: Two OpenWrt Updates, OpenBSD 7.1, Nix 2.8.0, and GCC 11.3 Released | Techrights
[23:10]	MinceR	has anyone managed to install netbsd with full disk encryption on a system that had no "legacy" boot support yet?
[23:10]	matey	but the reason i recommend openbsd isnt because its a great DESKTOP os
[23:10]	schestowitz-TR	freebsd is friends with companies I strongly dislike
[23:11]	matey	i recommend openbsd because SOMEONE has to build a new os after microsoft buntlinux kills itself
[23:11]	schestowitz-TR	in that sense, it reminds me of LF
[23:11]	TR News	Devices Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164001
[23:11]	TR Bot	 Devices Leftovers | Tux Machines
[23:11]	matey	and openbsd is the most forkable (in practice)
[23:11]	matey	that way people dont need to build a new os from the ground up
[23:11]	matey	however, my associates are working on that as well.
[23:11]	matey	and THEY care.
[23:11]	MinceR	yeah, freebsd was corrupted like linux, before linux
[23:11]	matey	freebsd i have no hope for. though i tried it first and honestly it wasnt complete shit
[23:11]	matey	politically i have no hope for it
[23:12]	matey	netbsd isnt free enough. other than that, its not shit either.
[23:12]	matey	openbsd is a better version of netbsd. literally.
[23:12]	matey	but on an sbc, good luck.
[23:12]	MinceR	maybe i'll try that netbsd thing once i can do it on a spare laptop with lots of ssd space
[23:12]	matey	dont know what youre worried about, i dont use anything that cant work on modest equipment.
[23:13]	MinceR	i just miss having a free unix system that actually worked reliably
[23:13]	MinceR	the industry used to be capable of this a few decades ago
[23:13]	MinceR	now all i have is several flavors of unreliable crap to choose from
[23:13]	matey	the industry is becoming more capitalist and gives fewer fucks than ever
[23:14]	matey	they benefit from pushing people towards the clown
[23:14]	schestowitz-TR	matey: with all due respect, I don't share that experience at all
[23:14]	schestowitz-TR	2 decades ago a 'free unix' was no fun to install and stuf
[23:14]	schestowitz-TR	it was hard
[23:14]	MinceR	back in the day even the freedesktop crap worked reliably
[23:14]	SomeH4x0r	hi matey
[23:14]	schestowitz-TR	once you dealt with certain peripherals and applications and web pages
[23:14]	MinceR	i could configure whatever with GUI
[23:14]	schestowitz-TR	now it's mostly a breeze for me
[23:14]	schestowitz-TR	SomeH4x0r: 0
[23:14]	matey	with all due respect, I don't share that experience at all <- roy with all due respect, i think your experience is tainted with political prejudice and deliberate bullshit. with that said, bsd isnt ready for everyone of course
[23:14]	MinceR	now i need to be lucky for things to function at all
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: I was gonna point out to you an article two days ago
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	from our 'friend' bbyfield
[23:15]	MinceR	is he worth paying attention to?
[23:15]	matey	hi SomeH4x0r
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	about how you should give kde plasma another chance
[23:15]	SomeH4x0r	come to TWISTED
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	KDE is very good now, I'd never want to go back to KDE3
[23:15]	MinceR	lol
[23:15]	matey	<MinceR> is he worth paying attention to? <- he and his boss both signed the anti-rms letter, byfield published lies about rms he never retracted
[23:15]	matey	hes a corporate whore
[23:16]	SomeH4x0r	might try to invite barto here as well
[23:16]	matey	but ymmv
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	notice I don't even mention KDE4, which still runs on one of my laptops
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	matey: he was a long time ago
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	he and I were on the radio together around 2006
[23:16]	SomeH4x0r	told them
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	he always took a pro-Novell, pro-Mono, almost pro-Microsoft line
[23:16]	matey	matey: he was a long time ago <- cleaning up their act is rare and not a given at all
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	he also bashed Groklaw a lot
[23:17]	matey	 he always took a pro-Novell, pro-Mono, almost pro-Microsoft line <- and hes worse than ever
[23:17]	MinceR	but then again, back in the day gnome aimed for functionality and flexibility
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: he's irrelevant
[23:17]	MinceR	they even gave you a control center applet to choose which window manager you wanted
[23:17]	matey	then again, back in the day gnome aimed for functionality and flexibilit <- mate is better than gnome
[23:17]	MinceR	now it's just a macos clone which doesn't even work
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	he write a column or two for Linux Mag once a month
[23:17]	matey	because its gnome when it was better
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	*wrote
[23:17]	MinceR	even the keyboard stops responding randomly in gnome
[23:17]	MinceR	mate was forked too late
[23:17]	MinceR	well after gnome went to shit
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[23:18]	schestowitz-TR	try LMDE, MinceR
[23:18]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[23:18]	barto	howdy
[23:18]	schestowitz-TR	you might like it, I tried it last month
[23:18]	MinceR	i gave up on DEs
[23:18]	MinceR	that's why i went back to fvwm
[23:18]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: openbox still?
[23:18]	matey	hi barto
[23:18]	MinceR	howdy-ho
[23:18]	schestowitz-TR	I used openbox for years
[23:18]	MinceR	no, openbox has a common and annoying bug with mousefocus
[23:18]	barto	we meet at last, matey
[23:18]	matey	indeed
[23:18]	schestowitz-TR	because KDE was becoming too fat for 2GB of RAM laptop
[23:18]	MinceR	if it has to switch focus too many times in a short time, it sometimes forgets to switch focus
[23:18]	matey	hi
[23:19]	MinceR	so you end up with the focus on a window the pointer is not in
[23:19]	schestowitz-TR	hi, barto
[23:19]		*schestowitz-TR goes back to hunting freesw links
[23:19]	barto	hi matey and schestowitz-TR
[23:19]	barto	:)
[23:19]	MinceR	isn't LMDE just another systemd distro?
[23:19]	schestowitz-TR	I tried devuan also
[23:20]	matey	 isn't LMDE just another systemd distro? <- yes
[23:20]	schestowitz-TR	didn't get far because of realtek being RealDreck
[23:20]	matey	plus its shit anyway
[23:21]	matey	fair warning barto, if you want to learn about freesw schestowitz-TR and i will tell you very different things
[23:21]	matey	hes the optimist. im about starting over now that the movement is fucked
[23:22]	barto	i don't know much about the freesw movement but i'm interested in it
[23:22]	matey	you dont have to choose a side about the two of us, but later on (someday) for a working freesw movement you may need to
[23:22]	matey	theres a lot to learn and theres no rush
[23:23]	matey	things are a mess right now, not unlike europe at the moment
[23:23]	barto	there is a site i've encountered recently though
[23:23]	barto	i think it was called gng?
[23:23]	matey	oh?
[23:23]	matey	gng?
[23:23]	barto	talking about why gnu is bad
[23:23]	barto	yup
[23:23]	barto	i'll look for a link
[23:23]	matey	gnu isnt bad, its just been co-opted
[23:24]	matey	yeah ill be happy to critique it
[23:24]	barto	matey: gng.z505.com
[23:24]	matey	ill have a loot
[23:24]	barto	seems to have some articles
[23:25]	barto	didn't look much into it though
[23:25]	matey	Stallman Speaks on Security (is he dumb?) September 2016 <- this site looks pretty trollish
[23:25]	matey	im happy to keep looking but
[23:25]	barto	looked the same to me tbh
[23:25]	matey	i dont think gng will teach you much
[23:25]	matey	im critical of gnu but differently
[23:26]	matey	im also critical of most (sometimes all) alternatives
[23:26]	matey	do you know the 4 freedoms?
[23:26]	barto	from 0 to 3
[23:27]	matey	cool
[23:27]	matey	so those are good, and stallman wrote them
[23:27]	matey	the trick of free software is making it so people have those :)
[23:27]	matey	preferably with all of their software
[23:27]	matey	and thats where it gets messy. but im still in favour of that goal
[23:28]	matey	"open source" pretends to have the same goal, i personally think its bullshit (lies)
[23:28]	barto	yeah
[23:28]	matey	maybe it wasnt always, but i think it always had problems telling the truth
[23:28]	barto	open source isn't the same as free
[23:28]	matey	right
[23:28]	matey	so youre a step ahead of me when i started
[23:28]	matey	when i started, open source seems nice. it is nice. lie-to-your-face nice.
[23:28]	TR News	Euro Truck Simulator 2 gets a new modern trailer and a fresh Beta | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/euro-truck-simulator-2-gets-a-new-modern-trailer-and-a-fresh-beta/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
[23:28]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/euro-truck-simulator-2-gets-a-new-modern-trailer-and-a-fresh-beta/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/euro-truck-simulator-2-gets-a-new-modern-trailer-and-a-fresh-beta/
[23:28]	TR Bot	Truck Simulator 2 gets a new modern trailer and a fresh Beta | GamingOnLinux
[23:29]	matey	but i feel for that first, thats why i tell everyone what a scam it is
[23:29]	matey	free software is  better, but has plenty of its own issues
[23:29]	matey	including (imo) being taken over by open source. thats where we are now.
[23:29]	matey	in my opinion.
[23:29]	matey	i work with other people who share this opinion, so its not ONLY mine
[23:30]	matey	but free software itself... good luck getting them to talk about how they were taken over
[23:30]	matey	they just want to "move on"
[23:30]	matey	you know like if you come home and your dads killing your mom, and after the courts let him go he just wants to "move on"
[23:30]	matey	"but why did you"
[23:30]	matey	"drop it! talk about something else"
[23:30]	matey	i mean everything is bullshit right now
[23:31]	barto	i feel that, my friend
[23:31]	matey	we had two libreplanets this year. theyre annual.
[23:31]	matey	so maybe we had two 2022s this year, who knows.
[23:31]	MinceR	:>
[23:31]	matey	mincer does that when someone says something he likes (or hates the same way)
[23:32]	matey	hes the smartest person in here
[23:32]	matey	but cynical as fucking fuck
[23:33]	TR News	Snal 1.17 is out https://snallinux.sourceforge.io/
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[23:33]	TR Bot	Linux download | SourceForge.net
[23:33]	TR News	Games: Euro Truck Simulator 2, Dwerve, and Lilas Sky Ark Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164002
[23:33]	TR Bot	 Games: Euro Truck Simulator 2, Dwerve, and Lila's Sky Ark | Tux Machines
[23:33]	matey	being really smart always makes you either cynical or autistic
[23:33]	matey	mincer went with cynical
[23:34]	matey	i dont entirely blame him of course
[23:34]	TR News	FreeBSD 13.1-RC4 is ready. Web site not updated to say this (yet) https://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash/#2022-04-14:1
[23:34]	TR Bot	 FreeBSD News Flash | The FreeBSD Project
[23:34]	activelow	server os, desktop os, that's marketing quackery
[23:34]	matey	being autistic has various release valves for cynicism. like anime.
[23:34]	matey	<activelow> server os, desktop os, that's marketing quackery <- i dont entirely disagree
[23:35]	matey	it doesnt really change the point i was making, though it DOES reveal some interesting details about it
[23:36]	TR News	Debian Project Leader election 2022, Jonathan Carter re-elected Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164003 He did a good job. Better than his two predecessors. Also sent me some polite Emails.
[23:36]	TR Bot	 Debian Project Leader election 2022, Jonathan Carter re-elected | Tux Machines
[23:36]	matey	the best way to be more free though, as it was in thoreaus time, is to be more minimalist
[23:36]	matey	minimalism can be a trap-- you dont have to be the most minimalist person there is, even if there are (regular) pissing matches about it
[23:36]	matey	those shouldnt be taken seriously. id say everybody wins, but
[23:37]	activelow	ultra conservative
[23:37]	matey	more like, if you CAN win, it doesnt matter how
[23:37]	matey	at least regarding minimalism
[23:37]	SomeH4x0r	matey: digdeeper's XMPP chatroom seems to have certain people with views similar to mine and possibly yours, though idk if it has any meaning to you, if you have something to say against XMPP.
[23:37]	TR News	Liam Dawe on latest in Proton http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163988#comment-33414
[23:37]	TR Bot	 Proton 7.0-2 Makes More Games Playable on Linux, Fixes Numerous Bugs | Tux Machines
[23:38]	matey	yeah im familiar with digdeeper
[23:38]	matey	i dont really do xmpp though
[23:38]	matey	maybe ill give into the temptation later
[23:38]	SomeH4x0r	I will keep reminding him about techrights website and IRC sometimes
[23:38]	activelow	and yes, just compiled my _entire_ distro on a low-power ARM cortex a53 quadcore (5Watts) in 4hours, after cleanup with removal of GTK this went down from 10hours to 4h
[23:38]	SomeH4x0r	because he might like it too
[23:38]	TR News	"Dirk Hohndel was CTO at SUSE going back to the mid-90's before joining Intel for a fifteen year run that ended in 2016" https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Dirk-Hohndel-Blockchain
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[23:38]	TR Bot	Linux/Open-Source Supporter Joins A Blockchain Foundation - Phoronix
[23:39]	activelow	with tinycc, i estimate, it will be twice as fast at least
[23:39]	matey	my experience with the new generation of people like digdeeper is a mix
[23:39]	matey	on the one hand, they give you the opportunity to be critical of some things that we need to be critical about
[23:39]	matey	on the other hand, a lot of it is deja vu from my brief stint with open source
[23:39]	matey	its more about being COOL than being free
[23:40]	SomeH4x0r	he says to be 42 year old man iirc, not sure if it applies to new generation
[23:40]	matey	fair point
[23:40]	matey	i may have imagined he was younger
[23:40]	matey	or lumped him in with people who actually are
[23:40]	matey	some people like luke smith too, im completely unimpressed
[23:41]	SomeH4x0r	he said he used to be on IRC once, when he was invited to a dead chatroom
[23:41]	SomeH4x0r	*channel
[23:41]	matey	this channel is dead for at least a few hours every day
[23:41]	matey	as are most, this one less so
[23:41]	barto	is luke smith bad?
[23:41]	SomeH4x0r	23:23:26 - digdeeper: I might come to IRC someday, but probably won't stick around. I mean, is there a better place than this?
[23:41]	SomeH4x0r	23:23:30 - digdeeper: I've been at IRC anyway already
[23:41]	SomeH4x0r	23:23:37 - digdeeper: acz invited me
[23:41]	matey	freenode is (and was) a gulag, most irc is shit
[23:41]	SomeH4x0r	23:23:39 - digdeeper: to a dead chatroom
[23:42]	matey	barto: i wonder if theres anything youd like to accomplish short-term, or if you just want more information?
[23:43]	matey	have you tried any free software? or thought about installing a free os?
[23:43]	barto	i try to limit my use of proprietary software
[23:43]	matey	thats good
[23:44]	barto	i am thinking of switch into a free OS but at the same time i'm kinda forced to use Windows
[23:44]	matey	that happens
[23:44]	SomeH4x0r	the invasion of tech by governments and corporations will eventually make me lose my hobby and so the desire to continue existing
[23:44]	TR News	https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable/2022-April/000718.html
[23:44]	TR Bot	 FreeBSD 13.1-RC3 Now Available
[23:44]	TR News	RC4 not yet in the archive https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable/2022-April/index.html
[23:44]	TR Bot	 freebsd-stable: Production branch of FreeBSD source code: by thread
[23:44]	SomeH4x0r	not much faith in society
[23:45]	matey	<SomeH4x0r> the invasion of tech by governments and corporations will eventually make me lose my hobby <- i dont think its as bad as that
[23:45]	matey	even though we are absolutely headed in that direction
[23:45]	matey	roy and i both think there will be some kind of turnaround
[23:45]	matey	we disagree (strongly) on the details
[23:45]	matey	mostly we need people to fight this
[23:45]	SomeH4x0r	I'd say it is unlikely. Why would people suddenly realize something is wrong when they are boiling frogs?
[23:46]	matey	not just talk about it, but (when possible) DO SOMETHING and make changes
[23:46]	matey	first of all, frogs dont actually boil that way
[23:46]	SomeH4x0r	they don't understand what is happening and they think corporations are good
[23:46]	matey	second of all, people dont either. well, they do. and they dont.
[23:47]	matey	they don't understand what is happening and they think corporations are good <- i mean, im an anti-capitalist at this point
[23:47]	matey	there are many
[23:47]	SomeH4x0r	they are addicted to their crippled PCs ("smartphones") and they won't go doing revolutions because they won't be happy without these crippled PCs anymore
[23:47]	SomeH4x0r	see I'm affected as well, just with less crippled PCs
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[23:47]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
[23:47]	matey	and they won't go doing revolutions because they won't be happy without these crippled PCs <- unions are growing in power right now
[23:47]	matey	thats a good sign
[23:47]	SomeH4x0r	moreover, governments will enforce crippled PC usage even more later
[23:47]	matey	not just for "reform" either
[23:48]	matey	reform itself is... half a revolution
[23:48]	SomeH4x0r	microchips need to be banned forever
[23:48]	matey	governments will enforce crippled PC usage even more <- ive been watching that trend for a decade or two
[23:48]	SomeH4x0r	they are by design non-reverse-engineerable at home
[23:48]	SomeH4x0r	lose of control begins at them
[23:48]	matey	its bad, but, it always looks worse because the warnings dont take the resulting backlash into account
[23:49]	TR News	Kubuntu 22.04 LTS Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163981#comment-33416
[23:49]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
[23:49]	matey	they are by design non-reverse-engineerable at home <- if you want to see the state of reverse-engineering, its pretty fucking impressive
[23:49]	SomeH4x0r	I see TPMs and eFuses
[23:49]	matey	the only thing the industry can really do is destroy itself. thats too glib to be TOO hopeful about, because, it will take A LOT with it
[23:50]	matey	i mean the more we sit on our arses and say "itll be fine" the worse it will be.
[23:50]	matey	but its really NOT hopeless.
[23:50]	matey	just REALLY REALLY bad.
[23:50]	SomeH4x0r	not hopeless, but I have no faith in society to do sane revolutions
[23:50]	matey	so bad that most reasonable WOULD think its hopeless, without a bigger picture to look at.
[23:51]	matey	I have no faith in society to do sane revolutions <- has there ever been a sane revolution?
[23:51]	SomeH4x0r	no idea
[23:51]	matey	i mean lets start with history
[23:51]	matey	well, if your school was anything like mine, it didnt teach you shit about revolution
[23:51]	activelow	alot of the damage is ireversible
[23:51]	matey	why would it? its run by the governments and the governments are run by corporations
[23:51]	matey	 <activelow> alot of the damage is ireversible <- some of it, absolutely
[23:52]	activelow	most of it
[23:52]	matey	nah
[23:52]	matey	well
[23:52]	matey	maybe a little more than half-- subject to increase.
[23:52]	matey	the longer we wait, the more we will lose
[23:52]	activelow	remove all GTK and QT, and see what remains
[23:53]	matey	remove all GTK and QT, and see what remains <- beauty that people find difficult to appreciate
[23:53]	matey	but they want a kardashian desktop environment
[23:53]	matey	(kde)
[23:53]	matey	or a kanye desktop (gnome)
[23:53]	matey	which, sorry, thats a little unfair to kanye
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[23:54]	TR Bot	 Kraft Heinz to move infrastructure into Microsoft's Azure The Register
[23:54]	matey	who is many things, but not as batshit nuts as gnome is
[23:54]	activelow	i bet, motif widgets can be themed too, to look slightly different than the default
[23:54]	matey	tk can be themed really nicely, its just you wont see people bothering to :)
[23:55]	matey	so tk will always be ugly, because its never wearing makeup. but there IS makeup available.
[23:55]	SomeH4x0r	a computer is to do job, not to look "good"
[23:55]	matey	you know that, and i know that
[23:55]	SomeH4x0r	I hate these design which waste resources for nothing
[23:55]	matey	but lots of people havent figured that out
[23:55]	activelow	i prefer a non-distracting interface
[23:56]	matey	also im not against good looks. im against bullshit, which is what usually comes with good looks
[23:56]	MinceR	keeping up with the cardassians
[23:56]	matey	like that episode of ds9 when kira found out that the station still had cardassian secure boot installed
[23:57]	matey	and they had to find a way to deactivate it
[23:57]	MinceR	:>
[23:57]	SomeH4x0r	if a sane revolution ever happens, we need to get rid of current personal computer. There is no way evil microchips can exist in a sane society.
[23:58]	matey	if a sane revolution ever happens, we need to get rid of current personal computer <- there are actually protocols for making personal computers "SECURE ENOUGH" for that sort of thing
[23:58]	matey	a good start is keeping phones in a faraday bag when not in use. but thats no good unless you also have protocols about when to open the bag and when not to.
[23:59]	activelow	it is the industry and the majority of their following, who ignited a revolution, against mental health of a hacker
[23:59]	activelow	and science
[23:59]	matey	like those idiots who recently painted a big radio "laser" on a secure base ffs
[23:59]	SomeH4x0r	the microchips are a way corporations control society. They need to be all destroyed, and the progress of computing needs to be reverted by decades.
[23:59]	activelow	https://www.dw.com/en/elon-musk-says-he-has-465-billion-for-twitter-takeover-bid/a-61547494
[23:59]	TR Bot	Musk says he has $46.5 billion for Twitter takeover bid | News | DW | 21.04.2022
[23:59]	TR News	Debian Project Leader Election 2022 Results http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164003#comment-33418
[23:59]	TR Bot	 Debian Project Leader election 2022, Jonathan Carter re-elected | Tux Machines
[23:59]	matey	but i mean, not carrying a phone is great. they can still mic the bushes, just like northern ireland used to
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