●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, November 19, 2020 ●● ● Nov 19 [00:10] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:22] DaemonFC[m] News says that Chicago downtown apartment occupancy rates are down to 1998 levels. [00:22] DaemonFC[m] Rents have fallen about 20%. [00:23] DaemonFC[m] Sounds like a disaster to me. Maybe Lori Lightfoot and Kim Foxx will let BLM lower the rents some more by scaring all the decent folk off. [00:23] DaemonFC[m] B-) [00:31] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights ● Nov 19 [01:06] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: So far I've noticed that I don't really need any heat to be on for the apartment to stay warm enough, at least down to about 25 degrees F. [01:06] DaemonFC[m] Dunno about lower than that. [01:07] DaemonFC[m] Makes sense though. The building itself must have some heat otherwise the landlord would have pipes bursting all over the place during winter. [01:07] DaemonFC[m] And we're about 5.5 feet underground, which provides insulation and protection from wind chills. [01:08] DaemonFC[m] I'd like to keep the energy bills as low as possible, obviously. [01:08] DaemonFC[m] I told Mandy to leave the heat off and layer up. [01:08] DaemonFC[m] See how long and how much of each day we can just sort of freeload off the building's heat system. [01:11] DaemonFC[m] Anyway, you say I learned nothing from bankruptcy. Oh I learned nothing because there was nothing to learn. [01:11] DaemonFC[m] John was vicious and made his move on me and forced me to rack up an unfathomable amount of debt to fend off the state. [01:11] *oarion7 (~anonymous@unaffiliated/oarion7) has joined #techrights [01:13] DaemonFC[m] These fuckers who are going to Walmart in the middle of a third wave surge, worst death tolls since April, no end in sight....and buying 70" TVs on a credit card, and asking Mandy to figure out a way to stuff it in their Honda Fit, are the idiots. [01:14] DaemonFC[m] Anyway, schestowitz, I decided that in case I later change my mind and just get a Pixelbook with some future hardware refresh (certainly not going to if all I get is an 8th gen Intel setup), I'd bring in Chromium and transfer all my stuff into it. [01:14] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:14] DaemonFC[m] That way it would be an orderly transition. [01:14] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [01:15] DaemonFC[m] Well, you know, they're just asking too much for the hardware. It wasn't even the latest stuff when they released the current iteration last year. [01:15] DaemonFC[m] Without a refresh soon it's going to be very egregious, the amount they want for what you're getting. [01:16] DaemonFC[m] I'd say the biggest leap forward lately is probably Intel doubling the L1 and L2 cache on the most recent stuff. [01:17] DaemonFC[m] Seems they're having major problems getting the actual hardware to go faster and are sort of working on the edges where some operations are stalling out while the system fetches more data, more than they are improving the design of their CPU cores. [01:21] schestowitz it's never a good time to blow over a grand on a laptop [01:22] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, some of the cheaper ones now are actually not that bad. [01:22] DaemonFC[m] I just want to see at least a certain baseline. [01:22] DaemonFC[m] Like it's never going to run out of RAM and become unbearably slow. 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[03:28] cubexyz laptops: can you get parts, can you fix it? Who knows [03:28] cubexyz laptops: will it be obsolete in 5 years? Probably [03:29] cubexyz laptops: will it turn into a heating element? Could be [03:36] DaemonFC[m] I found a replacement battery for this Yoga 900 for $38. [03:36] DaemonFC[m] Turns out it's just LG that made the cells. [03:36] DaemonFC[m] Some seller on Amazon. [03:36] oiaohm_ Really convergence between phone and desktop comes up all the time but we have not got there yet. [03:36] *oiaohm_ is now known as oiaohm [03:37] DaemonFC[m] The tablets are getting really good for the price. I saw a Lenovo tablet at Walmart for $58 today. [03:37] oiaohm cubexyz: some laptops from new the are different parts that have not been made for 5 months. [03:37] cubexyz how can there really be a convergence between phone and desktop? they are totally different form-factors [03:37] DaemonFC[m] 2 GB is plenty of RAM for Android. [03:37] cubexyz I'd say they never converge [03:37] oiaohm cubexyz: think VR desktop. [03:38] DaemonFC[m] High end Android tablets with a keyboard can replace a laptop for many people. [03:38] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19477887 [03:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Yesterday #covid19 killed 2,000 Americans. In one day. [03:38] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19477889 [03:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #covid19 is just "fake news" (like #biden winning the election) anyway... [03:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_a96e09e89f2174f93b9c.jpg [03:38] oiaohm Who says the desktop monitor has to be there if you can project it. [03:38] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft sees it and rushed to port Office to Android. [03:39] oiaohm There has been a stack of different attempts at convergence [03:39] oiaohm So far none have stuck. [03:39] cubexyz oiaohm, what if I want a parallel port? :) [03:40] cubexyz ah, I suppose there is some parallel-port to usb thing [03:42] oiaohm USB docks or possible in future 60Ghz docks. [03:43] oiaohm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBeza4UNOm8 Like we see people messing around with convergence with the pinephone here. [03:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The PinePhone with an USB-C dock - YouTube [03:43] oiaohm Ok its not a laptop. [03:43] cubexyz CRTs seemed to last longer than LCD's, not sure why that is [03:44] oiaohm cubexyz: https://www.ledsmagazine.com/leds-ssl-design/article/14181863/ge-updates-line-phosphor-technology-for-minimicro-led-displays there are still attempts to make more modern displays using the old phosper materials of CRTs. [03:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ledsmagazine.com | GE updates line phosphor technology for mini/micro LED displays | LEDs Magazine [03:45] oiaohm Those old phosper materials are highly chemical stable. [03:45] oiaohm as well as being in a vacuum helped [03:46] cubexyz interesting points [03:46] oiaohm CRT it was the guns and the drive circuits that failed. [03:46] cubexyz this is a philips 107b I'm using right now... it's got headphone jack in the front, and rca ports for a VCR in the back [03:47] oiaohm CRT do have a problem of putting out a lot of extra froms of radiation. [03:47] cubexyz although I think some of the LCD monitors had headphone jack in the front [03:48] oiaohm Really USB connected converance I don't really see as future. [03:48] oiaohm Connecting and disconnecting is a very limited cycle thing. [03:48] cubexyz do you see shortwave and FM/AM radio disappearing? [03:48] oiaohm Some of the move to wireless changing is to reduce wear and tear. [03:49] oiaohm shortwave is a very distance sent signal. So any changes in that bandwith require multi country agreement. [03:50] oiaohm FM/AM they are not as constant between countries so are at more risk of disappearing/messed with. [03:54] *Mogzagain (~Mogzagain@185.192.69.98) has joined #techrights [03:54] Mogzagain hi guys [03:55] Mogzagain I can see you've just signed off, so just to post a quick response to the latest figosdev article. [03:56] schestowitz hi [03:56] Mogzagain I'm really questioning why these are posted. Very demoralising, and this one seems to say overall that none of us are joining forces or investing assets/time/effort/support, but users should fix linux themselves. [03:56] Mogzagain hi Roy [03:56] schestowitz please go on [03:57] Mogzagain okay, thanks ... not meaning to be unpleasant, but it's taken me half an hour to calm down enough to hopefully contribute something that might lift things [03:58] schestowitz RMS is by his own admission a pessimist [03:58] schestowitz figosdev isn't any more than he is [03:58] Mogzagain if rms/oliva joined forces, steering things with a strong hand, small numbers, and refusing big tech, there could be hope ... and they have the experience and 'clout', so it seems wrong to say the little ppl should be achieving what they could, without that support [03:58] schestowitz but he's more so than me [03:58] Mogzagain and the article basically says oliva prefers to work with the fsf anyway [03:58] schestowitz yes, rms wants him to [03:58] Mogzagain no idea why 5 github-linked packages aren't forked, seeing as oliva runs the libre kernel [03:58] schestowitz he's his 'pawn' there [03:59] Mogzagain rms wasn't a pessimist for 30 yrs [03:59] schestowitz the strategy can be different [03:59] schestowitz get those projects off github [03:59] schestowitz without forking them [03:59] oiaohm Really a lot way GPL was design was on the presume people would backstab. [03:59] schestowitz for that, we need to weaken the monopoly [03:59] Mogzagain figosdev should consider that telling others to fix linux isn't going to work when you tell ppl the leaders won't unite and nobody's really doing anything [03:59] schestowitz and 'wean off' the ecosystem [RMS hates that word] [03:59] schestowitz which works, gradually [03:59] schestowitz yesterday rauk asked me what to use instead of github ● Nov 19 [04:00] Mogzagain well, my point is that if rms/oliva prefer the fsf, why is figosdev writing saying users should fix everything, alone [04:00] Mogzagain can't weaken a monopoly by being part of it [04:00] oiaohm Mogzagain: I have worked around the wine project for a long time. [04:00] oiaohm Most project really don't have enough man power. [04:00] Mogzagain if rms/oliva joined forces, forked the 5 packages, and gave ppl some hope, surely a far better way to spend time and inspire users [04:00] oiaohm even for non skilled tasks. [04:01] schestowitz Mogzagain: that's now what was said re FSF [04:01] schestowitz the idea is, make sure FSF isn't single point of failure [04:01] schestowitz because in some aspects it is failing [04:01] oiaohm when I say non skilled as in here is the fix the developer made will someone please test it on X hardware. [04:01] Mogzagain again, why write articles saying users should fix it all when every response is so demoralising and depressing [04:01] schestowitz also, those 5 projects are some of many [04:01] Mogzagain ppl need some hope, and surely rms/oliva uniting is doable and would be something really good [04:01] schestowitz they're just a prime dependency [04:01] schestowitz and github isn't the sole threat [04:02] Mogzagain surely it's a waste of time to have anything to do with the fsf; they were behind rms being ousted, so have made it VERY clear which side they're on [04:02] schestowitz whether the article 'demoralises' is besides the point [04:02] schestowitz to many Trump was demoralising [04:02] oiaohm Mogzagain: there are lots and lots of cases with open source software development were a problem cannot be fixed without user being involed as a tester. [04:02] Mogzagain supporting them is a waste of time and resources ... then ppl wonder why users can't get behind anything, to give support [04:02] schestowitz but stating what's happening is being realistic [04:03] schestowitz facts and reality are rarely convenient [04:03] schestowitz many lost their minds in pure fantasies amid covid [04:03] Mogzagain but ppl need hope, and others to be positive, so, yes, that article does have a responsibility to contribute something positive, not demoralising [04:03] oiaohm So we need people willing to at least invest some time testing what developers have made. [04:03] schestowitz nice to think it's all fake and an elite conspiracy, rather than accept it's a big and legitimate problem [04:03] Mogzagain I couldn't give a stuff about trump .. he won't save linux [04:03] schestowitz with freeSW [04:04] schestowitz nice to think we are "winning" [04:04] schestowitz and that github is "proof" of it [04:04] schestowitz Microsoft winning = us winning [04:04] Mogzagain plenty of users have helped and donated, and suddenly everyone talks like that never happened [04:04] schestowitz ZDNet pushes this MORE demoralising idea [04:04] schestowitz as if Microsoft comes to 'our rescue" [04:04] schestowitz like it did Novell, Yahoo, Nokia... [04:04] oiaohm Mogzagain: I would not say plenty. [04:04] Mogzagain so why doesn't figosdev be realistic, and thankfully brief ... nobody's going to work together or help; you're all on your own, regardless of how much you may have contributed [04:05] oiaohm wine project, Linux kernel, libreoffice could have hand 1000 times more people and it still not be enough. [04:05] Mogzagain watching ms all day is not going to save linus [04:05] Mogzagain *linux [04:05] oiaohm The reality is software development is hard work needing a hell load of resources. [04:05] schestowitz linux won't salvage gnu either [04:05] schestowitz it's there for comfort since 1991 [04:05] oiaohm amount of investment is a drop in ocean. [04:06] Mogzagain I would say plenty of users have donated, bugfixed, helped in countless ways, over many years ... but everyone talks like they do nothing [04:06] schestowitz but linux is not bloated and not freedom-respecting [04:06] Mogzagain again, oiaohm, you do just the same, talk at a user as if they contribute nothing and are all to blame, and should fix it all [04:06] schestowitz Mogzagain: we have the software, and it works well [04:06] schestowitz we are weaker on marketing [04:06] schestowitz and we're attacjed [04:06] schestowitz BECAUSE the software is THIS good [04:07] Mogzagain yes, the point is the GNU salvages stuff, and anyone with great experience etc, such as oliva [04:07] schestowitz and we need to recognise the attack [04:07] schestowitz like GitHub being an attack, a theft [04:07] oiaohm Mogzagain: You are not listerning to the right point. We are criticial short of resources. [04:07] schestowitz oiaohm: so are our rivals [04:07] schestowitz Windows, for example, keeps bricking itself and macOS is not evolving [04:07] oiaohm Even in the Linux kernel there are a growing number flaws that there is not the developers or testers there to fix. [04:07] schestowitz BSD is even worse off when it comes to funding [04:08] oiaohm Yes this is not a problem with just open source. [04:08] Mogzagain there weren't issues until big tech was allowed in; now users are 'lazy', 'greedy', should fix it all themselves, and no talented leaders will combine to do anything. [04:08] oiaohm Software developers is in a very short of resources. [04:08] schestowitz that's not a new issue [04:08] schestowitz afaik [04:08] oiaohm So project are trying to get as many new people as they can. [04:08] schestowitz "big tech" is also a collective new term [04:08] schestowitz some say designed to distract from big oil, big banks, big telecoms [04:08] Mogzagain whether short of resources or not, demoralisation and lack of effort is what is preached?! if rms had that attitude 30 yrs ago, no freedom or gnu would have happened [04:09] oiaohm Even if they double their developer and tester numbers for the next 10 years for many projects it will not be enough. [04:09] schestowitz Mogzagain: RMS was no optimist [04:09] Mogzagain no, the linux kernel has e.g. gkh signing in ms devs [04:09] schestowitz not even back then [04:09] schestowitz afaik [04:09] schestowitz I was a baby [04:09] schestowitz gkh is compromised [04:09] oiaohm Mogzagain: its not exaclty lack of effort. the words is more those looking at the problem and seeing that the amount of work/effort going in is not enough. [04:09] schestowitz and we need to call him out on that [04:10] schestowitz so at least people know who's who [04:10] oiaohm Problem is how to get more. [04:10] schestowitz gkh took ms money through novell for a long time [04:10] schestowitz and worked on microsoft micro-projects [04:10] oiaohm Ok some of the ways attempting to get more I agree are horrible. [04:10] schestowitz like hyper-v [04:10] schestowitz now he gets paid like $400,000 per year [04:10] schestowitz also funded by hostile companies that use LF as a front [04:10] Mogzagain well if a non-optimist can achieve the incredible things he did, I suggest he wasn't a non-optimist for real [04:11] oiaohm Mogzagain: lets say you are in my position you you know X bug requires a person with Y hardware to test it. I don't have the developers don't have it. At this point you need end user with that hardware to step u. [04:11] oiaohm Remember new hardware is being made all the time. [04:11] oiaohm so we have a huge on going treadmill here. [04:11] Mogzagain gkh is the most dangerous for linux [04:11] schestowitz Mogzagain: actually... I beg to differ [04:11] oiaohm where we cannot really sit on prior work done. [04:11] Mogzagain by choice [04:11] schestowitz the realisation that computing freedom was under attack motivated people [04:11] schestowitz to even work gratus [04:11] schestowitz *gratus [04:11] schestowitz >gratis [04:12] schestowitz if we say crap like "OPEN SOURCE" has "won" [04:12] schestowitz what motivation are we giving to FREE SOFTWARE people? [04:12] schestowitz Nothing [04:12] schestowitz we got hijacked [04:12] schestowitz THEY won [04:12] Mogzagain the devs that are going more corporate-favouring, infecting distros and the kernel, and getting the ms dollars, is no help, but surely rms fought that 30 yrs ago, and forged a path [04:12] schestowitz the underminers [04:12] Mogzagain with very few resources [04:12] oiaohm Developers have to eat. [04:12] schestowitz they eat [04:12] oiaohm So someone has to pay them [04:12] schestowitz they are technical [04:12] schestowitz they have job [04:13] schestowitz oiaohm: you use Lunduke FUD [04:13] schestowitz the usual BS [04:13] oiaohm and being paid unfornatmally normally brings a company bias. [04:13] Mogzagain again, oiaohm, countless ppl have stepped up and helped [04:13] schestowitz as if to say, either you develop bad software and get on with the program or starve [04:13] *schestowitz will ignore oiaohm for the rest of this discussion [04:13] DaemonFC[m] I read an article that said the reaction from around the world was as if the United States ousted a dictator. [04:13] schestowitz it did [04:13] schestowitz sort of, for now [04:13] DaemonFC[m] I was like.... That's exactly what happened. [04:14] Mogzagain exactly; only free software guts and determination will win this, as rms did 30 yrs ago [04:14] schestowitz I don't share your analysis of this [04:14] Mogzagain even to find somewhere all who care about privacy/freedom can be [04:14] oiaohm Mogzagain: problem is we need countless more people to step up again. [04:14] schestowitz I will lay out my reasons [04:14] schestowitz 1) motivation comes not from complacency [04:14] schestowitz 2) many became complacent [04:14] oiaohm That is due to the treadmil effects of new hardware and supproting more hardware and supporting more software. [04:14] schestowitz 3) this is why so many fools think it's "cool" and "good for money" to outsource to Microsoft (GitHub) [04:15] Mogzagain but it's always users attacked because more corporate-leaning devs just want to go where the money is now .. that's not users fault [04:15] Mogzagain no care about values, freedom, privacy [04:15] schestowitz 4) we had our terminology warped and orgs infiltrated [04:15] Mogzagain didn't rms work AND start up gnu? [04:15] schestowitz 5) many are still in denial about it or unable to see through it [04:15] schestowitz [04:15] but it's always users attacked because more corporate-leaning devs just want to go where the money is now .. that's not users fault [04:16] schestowitz that's nothing new, many devs got paid for their freesw creds [04:16] schestowitz red hat brain-drained gnu [04:16] Mogzagain steadier development isn't an issue ... ppl of course can have jobs/earn and do dev work outside that, slower [04:16] Mogzagain but no reason to go to big tech unless no regard for freedoms/others [04:16] schestowitz I also work full time [04:16] schestowitz and run techrights when I have time [04:16] Mogzagain lol, the ignoring [04:16] schestowitz so I don't have to worry about fund-raising [04:17] Mogzagain whatever politics is doing, we already know it doesn't give a crap about freedom/values/linux/ppl [04:17] schestowitz people will stop working for "big tech" [04:17] schestowitz IF [04:17] Mogzagain so what DOES? [04:17] schestowitz we teach them why [04:17] schestowitz the media isn't doing that [04:17] schestowitz "I don't like what this company stands for. Its the worst kind of mass manipulator of the public. Freedom of speech and public discourse is being replaced with fly Mark's overlord mentality." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/16PVpjen [04:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Hate the stigma now of working here - post regarding Facebook layoffs [04:17] schestowitz I posted this yesterday [04:17] schestowitz so you see people don't feel comfortable taking money if it harms their geek creds [04:17] Mogzagain ppl who are naturally complacent do that, but not those who care about freedom/privacy etc [04:18] schestowitz and this is why those "negative" articles can help, by reinforcing correct stigmas [04:18] schestowitz calling out Guido van Icaza [04:18] Mogzagain it's so frustrating that ppl LET things be infiltrated [04:18] schestowitz so let them have karma [04:19] schestowitz some are too 'polite' to point this out [04:19] Mogzagain red hat disgust me, how they leapt onto the fsf the morning after rms was kicked out [04:19] schestowitz when did you see the media blasting LF? [04:19] schestowitz It's all puff pieces [04:19] schestowitz they have PR budget [04:19] Mogzagain exactly, you work and then do loads of work for linux [04:19] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/the-linux-racket/ [04:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Exceeds $100,000,000 in Revenue and Jim Zemlin Now Pays Himself About a Million Dollars a Year While His Foundation Operates at a Loss of $732,261 | Techrights [04:19] schestowitz LF is run by PR people [04:19] Mogzagain so those saying 'I had to take big tech money' are shams and didn't care about freedom/users [04:19] schestowitz those companies overpay [04:20] schestowitz and people who work there have no spare time [04:20] schestowitz more so during covid homeworking [04:20] schestowitz which sounds counter-intuitive [04:20] schestowitz "This new hybrid workstation policy means that at least some of us will be able to work full time from home even after the pandemic. Could be a good idea, but to me feels like a trap because I work almost twice as much since I started working" [04:20] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/objects/5b6a9005-c1bc-4fbc-9d85-ba2f54dc0766] [04:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [04:20] schestowitz I heard the same [04:20] schestowitz this is Microsoft [04:20] Mogzagain yes, they deserve karma, but where do those NOT harming linux/others go is the critical question [04:20] schestowitz I spoke someone from #microsoft They make them work more because of #covid19This one who I spoke to starts working at 5AM. I kid not! Wishes could go back to work at the office, but they're not allowing that. [https://pleroma.site/objects/4a30ae58-85fd-4f43-b025-5fa74e0dc095] [04:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [04:21] schestowitz those people earn too much and have no time to use the money they earn [04:21] schestowitz those not harming gnu? [04:21] schestowitz or linux? [04:21] schestowitz linux is about as corporate as a freesw can get [04:21] schestowitz it won't even touch gplv3 [04:21] Mogzagain god, I'm so sick of devs whinging ... easy to sort a timetable at home! [04:21] schestowitz and we know why, it's not just tivoisation [04:22] schestowitz Mogzagain: I spend 36 hours a week on the job, still have about 70 for techrights and hobbies [04:22] schestowitz we're in lockdown now [04:22] Mogzagain again, what can be done for linux users who care about privacy/freedom, and rapidly are having no island to inhabit [04:22] schestowitz teaching [04:22] Mogzagain can't fight the good fight without a home [04:22] schestowitz teach them what it's for? [04:22] Mogzagain and some hope [04:22] schestowitz some here think DRM is good [04:23] schestowitz because "users want ot" [04:23] schestowitz many come to Linux for "apps" [04:23] schestowitz because sits like "OMG Ubuntu!" market it like that [04:23] Mogzagain rms started from very little and achieved incredibly ... surely we need to take him as the inspiration [04:23] Mogzagain if we hope to get back what matters [04:23] schestowitz snaps, systemd, spotify, skype, clown computing... [04:23] Mogzagain well done for all your work! [04:23] schestowitz Mogzagain: you have described what techrights tries to do [04:23] schestowitz even if it's mostly alone at that [04:24] schestowitz just like we're 99% alone in exposing the EPO's corruption [04:24] schestowitz and attacks on privacy with back doors [04:24] schestowitz now we promote ipfs [04:24] schestowitz to kill the bloated web [04:24] schestowitz or the web as a whole [04:24] Mogzagain yes, too many negative players around ... but those of us who care about privacy/values need an island, preferably with rms/oliva there, something like that [04:24] schestowitz rss is good, but it's not dweb [04:24] Mogzagain even itsfoss are now riddled with google captcha!! [04:24] schestowitz war on rss is fought by surveillance giants [04:25] schestowitz rss is bad for the ad and tracking industry [04:25] schestowitz google bouhht feeburner [04:25] schestowitz to add spying codes to URLs [04:25] Mogzagain I avoid all of those things you list, snaps etc, running a really clean system, so at least that's doable, if ppl care [04:25] schestowitz so that it can better track what people do in RSS readers [04:25] schestowitz *feedburner [04:25] schestowitz Mogzagain: so help teach [04:25] schestowitz teach people [04:26] schestowitz also code [04:26] schestowitz we code every day [04:26] schestowitz stuff for the site mostly [04:26] schestowitz coming soon are text-only (not raw) irc logs [04:26] schestowitz we're testing that today [04:26] Mogzagain again, back to my point about the article, telling users to do the work, without any support/inspiration or the rich experience of e.g. rms/oliva [04:26] schestowitz it'll go into ipfs [04:26] schestowitz vZS1 is an ipfs expert [04:26] schestowitz the article is not mine [04:27] Mogzagain that is unfair. for example, I'm the least tech person on linux probably, lol, and do art, only, but used to donate LOADS, until I go so fed up with the attitude to users [04:27] schestowitz if you stick around, figosdev will read these irc logs [04:27] schestowitz as he does every day [04:27] schestowitz then I'll paste in his response [04:27] Mogzagain and, yes, that could invite criticism, but where is the leaders who care, who make an effort, who value freedoms and users, instead of constantly saying 'you fix it', when you can't alone [04:27] schestowitz depends who and what you donate to [04:27] schestowitz some people donates to Mozilla [04:27] schestowitz while Google paid them $300,000,000 [04:27] schestowitz *donated [04:28] schestowitz many still donate to EFF [04:28] Mogzagain yes, going offline more, using rss, having thought that was at least better than being on the browser [04:28] schestowitz with $40,000,000 in the bank with very high interest [04:28] schestowitz EFF has done nothing heroic lately, not since Barlow died [04:28] Mogzagain I'm in sheltered housing, hardly see a soul; have tried SO much online, but there's so much unpleasantness, lack of commitment, unfair criticism, and I have made stands, and you just get shunned [04:28] schestowitz betrayal is everywhere [04:28] schestowitz that's why GPL is so popular [04:29] schestowitz on many levels [04:29] Mogzagain I could only teach art! lol [04:29] schestowitz it's a failsafe [04:29] schestowitz art and free culture are connected to free software [04:29] schestowitz in so many ways [04:29] schestowitz they're complimentary [04:29] schestowitz look at david revoy [04:29] schestowitz he helps gnu/linux [04:29] Mogzagain great that he'll read it ... ppl need hope, not 'fix it yourself' as nobody with real clout and experience will help! [04:29] schestowitz and krita and freesw [04:30] schestowitz just by jotting and bloggin [04:30] schestowitz you can ignore 90% of freesw [04:30] Mogzagain unbelievable that ppl donate to mozilla etc [04:30] schestowitz and still get stuff done [04:30] schestowitz we have more than enough [04:30] Mogzagain I'd rather shout it out clear, and hopefully contribute something, than live in regret [04:30] schestowitz you don't need 10 browsers and 10 CD-burning sw packages [04:30] schestowitz we have all the pieces in place now [04:31] schestowitz and we're under attack [04:31] Mogzagain didn't EFF help youtube-dl and force github to reinstate and do their false virtue signalling? [04:31] schestowitz besieged by the likes of adobe that loathe krita and gimp [04:31] schestowitz Microsoft that cannot sell Vista 10 for even $10 [04:31] schestowitz so it's PAYING the OEMs to preload it now [04:31] Mogzagain yes, I've contributed fully painted professional wallpapers, offered stuff, etc [04:31] schestowitz just to block gnu/linux or chromeos [04:31] schestowitz [04:31] didn't EFF help youtube-dl and force github to reinstate and do their false virtue signalling? [04:32] Mogzagain if you want something done, let me know now [04:32] schestowitz no, eff helped Microsoft defelction to RIAA [04:32] schestowitz which Microsoft is a member of! [04:32] schestowitz I wrote about how awful the EFF blog posts about it were [04:32] schestowitz 3 of them at least [04:32] schestowitz if EFF was worth a f--k, they'd tell people "DELETE GITHUB" [04:32] schestowitz it's proprietary [04:32] schestowitz centralised [04:32] Mogzagain but krita's really keen to get corporate money in, the same as blender [04:32] schestowitz NSA PRISM [04:32] schestowitz it's an attack on privacy, control over code, security [04:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ [04:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsofts Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights [04:33] schestowitz EFF is toothless re freesw [04:33] schestowitz and it gave Microsoft an AWARD [04:33] Mogzagain yes, thought ms and riaa were friends! [04:33] Mogzagain all smoke and mirrors [04:33] schestowitz [04:32] but krita's really keen to get corporate money in, the same as blender [04:33] schestowitz blender objects to GItHub [04:33] Mogzagain I must have missed those posts, oops ... will look them up [04:33] schestowitz maybe that's why Microsoft bribed blender recently [04:34] Mogzagain and, yes, delete github SHOULD be their main message [04:34] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/blender-payments-from-microsoft-and-unity/ [04:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Hand Inside the Blender: Microsoft Money for Blenders Development Fund is Not a Cookie Jar Donation But Another Power Move | Techrights [04:34] Mogzagain everyone taking their code from github ... such an obvious solution and clear taking back of power [04:34] schestowitz there's more about that [04:34] schestowitz but it might be linked from the meme [04:34] schestowitz and Microsoft bought NPM too [04:34] schestowitz and took over OpenJS [04:34] Mogzagain I didn't know all that about EFF ... another disappointment! [04:34] schestowitz Robin [04:34] schestowitz the nontechnical marketing rep [04:35] schestowitz from Edelman [04:35] schestowitz who is now also bossing Torvalds [04:35] schestowitz in LF management [04:35] schestowitz lots of skulduggery [04:35] schestowitz The media is dead-silent [04:35] schestowitz ZDNet is CHEERING for it! [04:35] schestowitz Paid to do that [04:35] Mogzagain yes, unfortunately I've seen the work list which is about making things as blender-similar as possible, e.g. a funding site etc, sort advertising [04:36] schestowitz blender is not compromised [04:36] schestowitz but it's the early stage [04:36] Mogzagain that's good re blender, and look at the success via NOT github! [04:36] schestowitz like with python about half a decade ago [04:36] Mogzagain oops, should have read on ... so MS are involved with blender now? [04:36] Mogzagain oh no [04:36] schestowitz Microsoft is trying [04:36] schestowitz but Microsoft has loads of layoffs [04:37] schestowitz I think they're fighting from a losing position on that front [04:37] schestowitz many blender users aren't on Windows [04:37] schestowitz no practical benefit to it [04:37] schestowitz same for Maya [04:37] schestowitz they're blowing money on projects like Godot [04:37] Mogzagain yes, as soon as corporate money or the likes of ms start sniffing round, only those who are genuine won't leap at that [04:37] schestowitz fearing it leads people AWAY from Windows [04:38] schestowitz and they paid lots of money for Guido van Icaza to become full-time Microsoft shill [04:38] schestowitz maybe a million bucks a year [04:38] schestowitz with blender the payments gives them steering power [04:38] schestowitz it's part of the package [04:38] schestowitz I think we took screenshots of that page [04:39] schestowitz watch out if they try to oust mr. blender [04:39] schestowitz some phony scandal [04:39] schestowitz and then put "more professional person" in his place [04:39] schestowitz maybe with some "diversity" angle to it [04:39] schestowitz and then "support" Blender's migration to GitHub financially [04:39] Mogzagain yes, not good ... I feel if we're going to do anything, and find a home to be at, if there are too many negative ppl, it's not always great to just be looking at everything bad. [04:39] schestowitz as he is the one who opposed and blocked github adoption [04:40] Mogzagain what can happen? ... back to figosdev's article, which may as well have said 'you're on your own', as rms/oliva won't be there, etc [04:41] Mogzagain what are ppl to do, when the most inspiring ppl aren't collaborating, those who have rich experience? [04:41] Mogzagain has everyone accepted it's over, and not bothering to do as rms did 30 yrs ago? if so, where is privacy/freedom, except offline? [04:42] Mogzagain figosdev says there's no real point creating groups, as big tech will just take over ... NO; ppl allow that, and, if they don't, that won't happen. [04:42] schestowitz people do collaborate [04:42] schestowitz we collaborate with many [04:42] schestowitz [04:41] has everyone accepted it's over, and not bothering to do as rms did 30 yrs ago? if so, where is privacy/freedom, except offline? [04:43] schestowitz what rms tackled was a different world [04:43] schestowitz mainframes, no free kernels [04:43] schestowitz no clown computing [04:43] schestowitz no www [04:43] schestowitz fsf only evolved partially [04:43] Mogzagain yes, he did an article saying is it Tiny distro is best, but increasingly these solutions become more technical, beyond non-technical users, etc, or nothing will work, etc [04:43] cubexyz 1983 I think it was [04:43] schestowitz [04:42] figosdev says there's no real point creating groups, as big tech will just take over ... NO; ppl allow that, and, if they don't, that won't happen. [04:43] cubexyz when RMS started GNU [04:43] schestowitz the latest article says the opposite [04:43] schestowitz it says more groups need to be created [04:43] schestowitz even small groups [04:44] schestowitz and then federated [04:44] schestowitz it's hard to corrupt them all [04:44] Mogzagain yes, collabs may go on, but not publicly, and not winning against the negative stuff on linux, and not inspiring users or getting ppl together, unfortunately [04:44] schestowitz and they can remove 'infected'/corrupt ones from the loop [04:44] Mogzagain yes, truth-telling is important, but the message seems to be we're f*cked, sort it yourself ... why do articles like that? ppl are depressed enough, and rms fought and won for 30 yrs from a lot smaller group and from scratch [04:45] schestowitz i think calling it 'linux' for example is not helping [04:45] schestowitz so that's one thing to address [04:45] schestowitz teach people about freedom, using the right concepts and terms [04:45] Mogzagain yes, we're all depressed and fed up, yes, ms buying github and red hat selling out, is really crap, but is the only solution ultimately offline? [04:45] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/01/02/gnu-programs-as-linux-commands/ [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNU Programs Arent Linux Commands But GNU Programs | Techrights [04:45] schestowitz rms told me that by calling it linux we lead people to Torvalds' non-philosophy [04:45] schestowitz which boils down to betrayal [04:46] schestowitz and calling freedom fighters "Radicals" [04:46] schestowitz coders like him [04:46] Mogzagain oh lord, I'm seeing the quotes you're taking, and knowing figosdev will be hunting me down, lol haha. note to figosdev; nothing personal, just really concerned and hope something constructive can emerge. [04:46] schestowitz who don't get $1.5 million a year [04:46] schestowitz almost nobody talking about "free software" [04:46] Mogzagain but he finishes with saying that big tech will take over anyway, re any groups [04:47] schestowitz people say "open source"... and to some it means Github, which is PROPRIETARY [04:47] schestowitz and an attack on it [04:47] schestowitz more people in gnu/linux, like debian devs, now say "Free software [04:47] schestowitz more than before [04:47] Mogzagain you know I mean freedom-loving gnu linux [04:47] schestowitz so more of them too are realising "open source" is dead as a brand [04:47] schestowitz in the arts don't say "open source" either [04:48] Mogzagain I've made lots of stands about privacy, and still trying to recover from that ... which says it all really, which is why my question is where do those who love freedom/respect/privacy go, except offline? [04:48] schestowitz creative commons are licences [04:48] Mogzagain with the heckles of 'you should have contributed' fading into the distance, lol [04:48] schestowitz and unless someone hijacks the CC.org and then perturbs the legal text, they cannot perturb that [04:48] Mogzagain yes, I obviously meant gnu/freedom [04:49] Mogzagain open source is corrupted [04:49] schestowitz there's more money in "LINUX" now [04:49] schestowitz like server sales [04:49] schestowitz so companies like IBM blow half their savings on a brand [04:49] cubexyz gnu/freedom/gcc/X/linux-kernel/and-don't-forget-the-original-bell-labs-unix [04:49] schestowitz and a distro with that brand [04:49] Mogzagain yes, free software, the freedoms/respect/values/privacy [04:49] schestowitz whose code is mostly free and anyone can pick [04:50] schestowitz Microsoft 'loves' Linux because it tries to make money off it... with patents and infiltrations [04:50] schestowitz those are symptoms of gnu becoming too srong [04:50] schestowitz *strong [04:50] cubexyz we all all still better off than we were in 2000 [04:50] Mogzagain yes, the parasites keep parasiting ... but, whatever they're all doing, surely all of us need our energy to safeguard what matters, personally and together [04:50] cubexyz we are all [04:50] schestowitz so they throw like billions at a repo "hub" that's losing money [04:50] schestowitz and azure losing money [04:50] schestowitz (azure has layoffs) [04:51] Mogzagain the negatives only bring depression and drain energies [04:51] schestowitz just to TRY -- to MAYBE --- >ONE DAY< somehow take over the threat [04:51] schestowitz Mogzagain: too much optimism lulls people [04:52] schestowitz and then end up "getting on with the show"... putting code on shithub [04:52] schestowitz i.e. donating their hard work to Microsoft [04:52] schestowitz to help them farm the work and spy on users of it [04:52] schestowitz to undermine us collectively [04:52] Mogzagain I have to say no to that. How I manage to function, what with all this 'linux' stuff, ill health, and what's going on this year, is to focus on anything that is positive, and give that the respect/time/effort ... so that then grows, and that is a strong resource [04:52] schestowitz being combative helps us fight back against the reactionary infiltration attempts [04:52] schestowitz so then we stand a chance thwarting the attacks [04:53] schestowitz we also do positive posts [04:53] Mogzagain if we're talking about freedoms/privacy/respect, it has to be about brightening things, as rms did for 30 years, enabling privacy/freedom and enjoyable sharing and use of tech [04:53] schestowitz but "happy stories" aren't the majority [04:53] schestowitz RMS didn't start with brightening things [04:53] schestowitz rather a cautionary tale [04:53] Mogzagain those supporting shithub (I normally call it that too!) should be put to one side. remove code too, done job [04:54] schestowitz about the death of the "hacker culture" [04:54] schestowitz which lost more and more people [04:54] schestowitz he said he was the "last true hacker" [04:54] schestowitz "survivor of a dead culture" [04:54] schestowitz that's hardly a motivational framing [04:54] Mogzagain but e.g. if a dictatorship ruin a country, the good ppl go somewhere else, and all's well [04:54] schestowitz he said "I wish I had killed myself" (or not been born, not sure which, have to look that up) [04:55] Mogzagain so wouldn't it be great to gather energies and see where the good stuf and the good ppl are best served, if things are so dire on 'linux' and everyone is so depressed that it's just miserable messages day in day out [04:55] schestowitz I don't share that belief [04:55] schestowitz first, make more people push to delete github [04:55] schestowitz I can't do it on my own [04:55] Mogzagain and by brightening things, I don't necessarily mean saving 'linux', if it's so far gone ... I mean going somewhere else [04:56] schestowitz many in techrights push towards it [04:56] schestowitz but we need thousands demanding it [04:56] schestowitz that's why Microsoft reinstated youtube-dl for now [04:56] schestowitz many left github [04:56] schestowitz some made plans to leave [04:56] Mogzagain so, ways to bypass things, new ways of using tech e.g. I now use RSS, minimum browser, not bookmarks in browser, spend more time offline, etc etc [04:56] schestowitz and fewer people signed up to the shit-hub [04:56] schestowitz so they needed a face-saving damage-controlling PR stunt [04:57] schestowitz saying they "stand for devs" [04:57] schestowitz they stand for themselves" [04:57] Mogzagain where are efforts best pointed to? if things are as bleak as everyone keeps saying, there must be other stuff to do, elsewhere [04:57] schestowitz to keep those devs turning into Microsoft's slaves [04:57] schestowitz you mix two issues [04:57] Mogzagain I'm all for combat and post positively; done it plenty, but if you're doing that in the middle of mordor is that the happiest and most productive place to do that? [04:57] schestowitz one is Free software [04:57] schestowitz another is privacy etc. [04:58] schestowitz there's loosely connected [04:58] schestowitz motivational postings barely exist [04:58] oiaohm schestowitz: there is something is simple to overlook. github problem is not just a threat to open source. Take valve the company that has had stuff hosted on github they now have there own gitlab. [04:58] schestowitz in mainstream media they boil down to [04:58] schestowitz "we won, GitHub is used a lot!" [04:58] Mogzagain masybe it's my belief that if something comes to an end, there's a vacuum, and something new to do, that IS there, and just needs energies pulling out of the dying stuff and into what DOES respect/value ppl and privacy ... that's my quest [04:58] schestowitz "be happy, Microsoft is our friend" [04:59] schestowitz these stories ENRAGE GNU/Linux users [04:59] schestowitz they don't motivate them [04:59] oiaohm The fun old problem of conflit of interest. [04:59] schestowitz because they're having their hard work raped by the very thing they sought to replace ● Nov 19 [05:00] Mogzagain we're not stuck with being online or with 'linux', ultimately ... the pc turns off and we have privacy/freedom, at this point at least ... but then that taps into much bigger issues too. so I realise what I say may sound ideal in some ways, but reading articles saying do it yourself, but big tech'll take over anyway, and we won't support you, didn't feel too helpful, or necessary, and honestly just makes life harder [05:00] Mogzagain RMS has done an incredible job, all credit to him, forever inspiring, especially if he worked through such dark feelings in order to contribute so much [05:02] Mogzagain it's hard; a big topic, what with how things are in the world too ... so it seems to come down to how privacy etc can be maintained, in whatever form, and ppl NOT giving in. there are billions of ppl, yet a small shithub/gvmts ... if every person removes their code from shithub, big effect ... etc etc [05:02] schestowitz [05:00] we're not stuck with being online or with 'linux', ultimately ... the pc turns off and we have privacy/freedom, at this point at least ... but then that taps into much bigger issues too. so I realise what I say may sound ideal in some ways, but reading articles saying do it yourself, but big tech'll take over anyway, and we won't support you, didn't feel too helpful, or necessary, and honestly just makes life harder [05:02] schestowitz speaking of... [05:02] schestowitz apropos.. [05:02] schestowitz re privacy [05:02] schestowitz the much greater sin is, [05:02] schestowitz people with android 'phones' [05:02] schestowitz those do far greater harm to privacy across many aspects [05:03] schestowitz so if you want to talk about most people's privacy... well, many never go offline [05:03] Mogzagain again, everyone feels alone, you say you're doing it alone ... no; I avoid github, have no code on there, etc etc. many many ppl do their bit, yet we all feel alone with that. [05:03] schestowitz they literally put a spying device next to their pillow at night [05:03] schestowitz for alarm, notifications, who knows what else [05:03] Mogzagain just nobody knows anybody else is doing that [05:03] schestowitz and Google uploads MEGABYTES of data overnight [05:03] oiaohm Really think how often google and apple and amozon voice assistant records people who are not the owner of the device. [05:03] schestowitz we need to compartmentalise a bit [05:04] Mogzagain ms WANT the devs is why they did their recent message/action [05:04] oiaohm Its one thing to have a device that spying on you that you agree to have it spy on. [05:04] Mogzagain regardless of whether 'linux' loses more devs, which is on the devs of course [05:04] schestowitz if we talk about gnu and shithub, then tuning a machine off and on isn't so much the thing to discuss, those are separate issues [05:04] oiaohm Its a different matter to be spying on everyone near you who did not give permission. [05:05] oiaohm Really good question how often are voice assistants techically breaking the law. [05:05] Mogzagain hard to do the right things and see others not do that, so defaulting to 'I've got to do what I can to honour the freedoms and myself' is how many tread water [05:05] schestowitz [05:04] regardless of whether 'linux' loses more devs, which is on the devs of course [05:05] schestowitz we get more devs during corona [05:05] Mogzagain waiting for others to join in ... maybe they will, the more invasive and miserable life out there gets [05:05] schestowitz I heard and saw numbers [05:05] schestowitz github has been waning for years [05:05] schestowitz Microsoft embushed it for 4 years [05:06] schestowitz to let it grow more [05:06] schestowitz after codeplex died [05:06] Mogzagain yes, ms is NOT our friend, only after what IT wants [05:06] schestowitz skype lost its near monopoly [05:06] schestowitz github will be next [05:06] schestowitz but we can accelerate this process [05:06] schestowitz with activism and shaming [05:06] schestowitz asking projects to pull off it [05:06] schestowitz and sometimes they do [05:06] schestowitz the bigger the project, the better [05:06] DaemonFC[m] The state's going to have another stay at home order. [05:06] schestowitz because those are dependencies to many other projects. curl, perl... [05:07] DaemonFC[m] We go into some sort of partial shutdown on Friday. [05:07] oiaohm https://github.com/pricing I always like on here "Unlimited public/private repositories" its not really a private repository when you are sharing it with Microsoft who in a lot of cases can be your competition in that market space. [05:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pricing Plans for every developer GitHub [05:07] Mogzagain oh don't even get me started on android, lol [05:07] Mogzagain old phone, no wifi, just calls [05:07] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: good [05:07] schestowitz better later than never [05:07] schestowitz look what happened in England, about 400 deaths a day now [05:07] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Most states are going that way, even the ones that were making light of this before. [05:08] DaemonFC[m] Now that it's back and killing fucking everyone, I suppose. [05:08] Mogzagain yes, ppl need to simplify ... run a little free software alarm on the desktop, note it on paper, set an actual alarm clock! [05:08] schestowitz Mogzagain: so it's on the antenna [05:08] schestowitz they follow your movement [05:08] schestowitz and can enable cam+mic remotely [05:08] schestowitz as happens often [05:08] Mogzagain no smart ... how lazy do ppl have to be to buy into that?! [05:08] schestowitz esp. when they think you're an "interesting" person [05:08] DaemonFC[m] I may move to a Pixelbook eventually. [05:08] DaemonFC[m] Not this current batch though. [05:09] Mogzagain yes, amazon ring, various devices ... all picking up on conversations/movements of those who NEVER gave permission [05:09] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: no lockdown = 9/11 per day around xmas time [05:09] DaemonFC[m] With a processor refresh and some more refinement on the Linux container, I think it would be quite good. [05:09] Mogzagain and do we hear that e.g. a burglary was thwarted, someone rescued from fire, etc, because of this crap smart invasive stuff ... nope [05:09] schestowitz Mogzagain: I socially distance myself from people who use "smart" things [05:10] schestowitz Mogzagain: those things CAUSE fires [05:10] schestowitz and also help the police justify RAIDING homes [05:10] schestowitz it's safety for the regime [05:10] Mogzagain yes, regarding more devs due to this year's changes ... had hoped they'd get more involved with the free software side [05:10] schestowitz not for the user [05:10] schestowitz the user isn't in control of it [05:10] DaemonFC[m] I found about $20 more in meat markdowns. [05:10] Mogzagain github still had the power to remove youtube-dl and implement spying on private repos, so they seem to be powering on [05:10] DaemonFC[m] Surprises me that there are so many. There never used to be so many. [05:11] schestowitz amazon has just recalled about 400,000 smart "ring" shite... after they caused many home fires [05:11] schestowitz it's beyond me how a camera can catch on fire... enough to burn down a house [05:11] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I've never been eating better than I am now, to be honest. [05:11] schestowitz Amazon has a product called "Kindle" [05:11] schestowitz and "fire" [05:11] DaemonFC[m] It's pretty cheap too. Guess people are just not buying a lot of meat for some reason. [05:11] schestowitz we know what "kindle" means in English... [05:12] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, a bundle of firewood, right? [05:12] schestowitz Now ring is like the ring in lord of the rings.... fiety [05:12] schestowitz *fiery [05:12] oiaohm schestowitz: cheap lithium ion batteries with the ring door bells. [05:12] DaemonFC[m] PRECIOUS! [05:12] DaemonFC[m] THEY TAKES THE PRECIOUS FROM POOR SMEAGOL!!!! [05:12] Mogzagain why don't the very tech able do a series on how to block cam and mic, for example [05:12] DaemonFC[m] GOLLUM!!!! GOLLUM!!!! [05:12] schestowitz no money in it [05:12] schestowitz the VC for tech [05:12] schestowitz military funds [05:12] schestowitz 27 trillion national debt [05:13] schestowitz 1.1 trillion for military PER year [05:13] schestowitz last I checked [05:13] schestowitz Trump increased it [05:13] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: What do you think of the troop drawdown he just ordered from Iraq and Afghanistan? [05:13] schestowitz so I'd imagine budget+black budget might be at 1.3 trillion a year [05:13] Mogzagain yes, tech is to use against ppl, increasingly, instead of working WITH ppl for everyone's wellbeing and safety [05:13] DaemonFC[m] The neoliberals are shitting themselves. [05:13] schestowitz they use that to stimulate tech 'companies' [05:13] oiaohm schestowitz: lithium iron phosphate battery don't catch fire no matter what happens. They are slightly more expensive to make and have slightly less capacity. [05:13] DaemonFC[m] Good, I suppose. Another right thing for the wrong reason. [05:13] schestowitz basically international espionage operations [05:13] schestowitz to keep the US Army on top of who says what where [05:14] schestowitz e.g. by undermining 'hostile' (to US Empire) politicians by public shaming through espionage [05:14] oiaohm Most other lithium iron batteries can burn and you are depending on a BMC to make sure that does not happen. [05:14] schestowitz Russia does that also [05:14] Mogzagain devices that risk ppl's lives .. hopefully that wakes even more ppl up [05:14] DaemonFC[m] Trump is removing half of them "by January 20th". [05:14] schestowitz but its budget and reach is vastly lower [05:14] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: He plans to be gone, but he'll never admit that he lost. [05:14] schestowitz [05:13] schestowitz: What do you think of the troop drawdown he just ordered from Iraq and Afghanistan? [05:14] schestowitz they're relcoated [05:14] schestowitz dispersed to other oil sources [05:14] oiaohm Cheaper lithium ion batteries + cheap made BMC=ring door bell catch fire. [05:14] schestowitz they're not "coming back home" [05:16] schestowitz [05:14] devices that risk ppl's lives .. hopefully that wakes even more ppl up [05:16] schestowitz xbox also burned down houses [05:16] schestowitz killing babies at times [05:16] schestowitz microsoft did not apologise [05:16] schestowitz it was called " [05:16] schestowitz "red ring of fire" [05:16] schestowitz iirc [05:16] schestowitz I think because of LoTR [05:17] schestowitz serves people right for buying bad things... but the kids made not those choices [05:17] Mogzagain I can see the topic change, so no worries, need to take off anyway. If I can request e.g. an article on how non-tech ppl can ensure mic/cam is off, for example, would that be something good? and, again, no offense intended figosdev; just some very critical issues came up via reading the article, and, yes this negative monster is a big one, but what good things can we all do to cope and maintain privacy/freedom as much as possible? if main [05:17] Mogzagain figureheads are acting as if everything's lost already. [05:17] schestowitz and for terraced houses/apartments there's a chance they'll also punish their neighbours, even kill them [05:17] Mogzagain thanks for your time, and no offense intended about any of this. stay safe. [05:18] schestowitz chhers [05:18] Mogzagain cheers, and thanks for your work. [05:18] Mogzagain all the best. [05:18] *Mogzagain has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:18] schestowitz Official Trump 2020 App collected phone numbers from contact lists without consent and could sell that data https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/official-trump-2020-app-collected-phone-numbers-from-contact-lists-without-consent-and-could-sell-that-data/ [05:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | Official Trump 2020 App collected phone numbers from contact lists without consent and could sell that data [05:20] oiaohm Did he process that data for working out how they connect to each other. [05:20] oiaohm There is a lot of horrible information in a data list like that. [05:25] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: https://www.democracynow.org/2020/11/18/el_paso_texas_coronavirus_cases_deaths [05:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | As COVID Deaths Soar, El Paso at Breaking Point with Hospitals & Mobile Morgues Filling Up | Democracy Now! [05:25] DaemonFC[m] I wonder what the California Consumer Privacy Act would have to say about that. [05:26] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Trump already lost. They no longer have him to protect, and they might not be re-elected if they don't take this seriously when Trump's out of the way and people may come to their senses and look at their state governments. [05:27] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Master's in Digital Currency from the University of Nicosia, you say? [05:27] DaemonFC[m] Cuckoo Cuckoo.... [05:30] schestowitz want to read my draft? [05:31] DaemonFC[m] Uh, okay [05:32] schestowitz thanks, just a sec... [05:33] schestowitz This (reminds me of what you did to Samsung in a video re GPL) http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/ [05:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Dolby Patents Are Being Used in Patent-Trolling Activity Against GNU/Linux, But Dolby is Said to Be a GPL Violator | Techrights [05:33] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: ^ [05:33] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I managed to get the Busybox people after them too. [05:34] schestowitz :-D [05:34] schestowitz they hired compliance staff [05:35] schestowitz so we get more of the code back... code they employ staff to produce with millions in salaries... that's how Free software gets the upper hand [05:39] DaemonFC[m] "Patents as a topic seem to be waning and its easily measurable, using a number of different criteria/yardsticks, e.g. number of lawsuits, number of articles and so on." > Patents, as a topic, seem to be waning, and it's easily measurable using a number of different criteria (e.g., number of lawsuits, number of articles, and so on). [05:40] DaemonFC[m] That's all that's really jumping out at me. [05:47] schestowitz thanks, I will correct things [05:48] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [05:49] DaemonFC[m] This is troubling. [05:50] DaemonFC[m] Google says a Nexus 5 signed into my account two hours ago. [05:50] DaemonFC[m] I don't own a Nexus 5. [05:50] schestowitz you do NOW [05:50] schestowitz you might want to read this: [05:51] MinceR time to change your password :> [05:52] schestowitz v [05:52] schestowitz https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/jvor6q/daniel_stenbergs_curl_twitter_account_compromised/ [05:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Daniel Stenberg's (cURL) Twitter account compromised : programming ● Nov 19 [06:01] DaemonFC[m] Okay, I figured it out. [06:01] DaemonFC[m] That extension I use in Firefox to lie to Google that I totally forgot about. [06:01] DaemonFC[m] They hand Chrome a version of Google with more features. [06:01] DaemonFC[m] So that extension says it's Chrome on a Nexus 5. [06:02] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Some porn spammer on Reddit invited me to some chatroom called date and fuck. [06:02] DaemonFC[m] That place is just totally falling apart. [06:04] schestowitz reddit a sinking ship? [06:04] schestowitz we always still have so-called 'hacker' so-called 'news' (HN) [06:05] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: can you spot typos: http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/repeated-lockdowns/ (published seconds ago) [06:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights in an Age of Repeated Lockdowns Reality | Techrights [06:08] DaemonFC[m] Wait, someone died? [06:08] DaemonFC[m] Who? [06:08] schestowitz the datacentre guy [06:09] DaemonFC[m] Sorry to hear that. [06:11] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The effectiveness of the COVID vaccines announced by Pfizer and Moderna is great news, if true. [06:11] DaemonFC[m] The production capacity is not so great. [06:12] DaemonFC[m] Even if they do meet their goal, and it's a two part vaccine, only about 675 million people in the entire world can get the vaccine in the next 14 months. [06:12] DaemonFC[m] It'll slow it down. More so in the US, which will make sure that it gets the majority of those doses. [06:12] schestowitz you assume it is effective [06:12] DaemonFC[m] But you can't convince people to take a vaccine that they don't trust. [06:13] schestowitz they hardly even tell the ages of the test subjects [06:13] DaemonFC[m] Well, based on the published studies, it appears as though it is. [06:13] DaemonFC[m] I admit it sounds almost too good to be true, other than the production capacity. [06:13] DaemonFC[m] We'd need much, much more capacity. [06:13] schestowitz meh [06:14] schestowitz sounds like artificial scarcity trick [06:14] schestowitz to prop up prices [06:14] DaemonFC[m] It would need to be provisioned to the people at the highest risk of infection and death. [06:14] schestowitz and lower production to increase demand [06:14] schestowitz the whole thing has red flags [06:14] schestowitz and this is a really scummy company [06:14] schestowitz which has financial misconduct [06:14] DaemonFC[m] 1.3 billion doses in a year seems like a lot to me. [06:14] schestowitz its own head dumped the shares [06:14] schestowitz after this announcement [06:15] schestowitz so you assume even the leadership doesn't believe in it [06:15] schestowitz though it bumped up the shares momentarily [06:15] schestowitz Russian now tests its own vaccine [06:15] schestowitz by the same people who make it [06:15] schestowitz [03:26] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My general baseline is, after #covid19 there's no "going back to normal" (office space and city centre living investments will PLUNGE) and for the next 2-3 years there will be no >effective< vaccination of any kind, mostly falsely-marketed (for false hope/profit) mass-produced junk [06:16] schestowitz [11:01] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): How NOT to test #vaccines : Russias #coronavirus vaccine trials are conducting their own studies of its effectiveness https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/11/17/searching-for-antibodies [https://pleroma.site/objects/01e91660-858a-4662-96ad-b5e14bcbea11] [06:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [06:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [06:17] schestowitz maybe those can lessen the chance of death [06:17] schestowitz but that does not say much [06:17] schestowitz lessen by how much? 5%? [06:17] schestowitz any side effects? [06:17] schestowitz short term? [06:17] schestowitz long term? [06:17] schestowitz will that work in 6 months also as the virus mutates? [06:17] schestowitz was it tested in young people? [06:17] schestowitz what were the controls [06:17] schestowitz and the test conditions? [06:18] schestowitz Did they reintroduce the subjects to covid, as many are in covid wards in hospitals? [06:18] schestowitz they likely produce some optimal conditions [06:18] schestowitz helps their stock go higher [06:18] schestowitz oxford/astrazeneca/gates withdrew [06:18] schestowitz without even explaining why [06:18] schestowitz the details [06:18] schestowitz so apparently it was far too embarrassing [06:19] schestowitz and they gave this to a lot of people [06:19] schestowitz of course expressing such opinions is bound to get one slandered as "antivaxx" [06:19] schestowitz because all supposed vaccines are 100% legit [06:20] schestowitz even those made in a rush in 5 months and and not 5 years, with actual testing [06:20] schestowitz the actual antivaxxer will be having a day field soon [06:20] schestowitz if all those experimental vaccine turn out to have obvious side effects [06:20] schestowitz or prove to be less than reasonably effective [06:21] schestowitz gn [06:21] schestowitz laters, need a nap [06:24] DaemonFC[m] I read that the only side effect deemed severe that occurred in more than 2% of people was some fatigue after the second dose. [06:24] DaemonFC[m] Bill Gates had an odd comment about anti-maskers. [06:24] DaemonFC[m] "What are these people? Like nudists or something?". [06:24] DaemonFC[m] He compared it to not wanting to wear pants. [06:24] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, totally comparable. [06:25] DaemonFC[m] I usually have trouble breathing unless I can go around in public without my pants on. [06:25] DaemonFC[m] The masks are an annoyance. [06:26] DaemonFC[m] Being in the hospital with COVID would be more of an annoyance, which is why I say I fucking hate the masks but I wear them. Beats the alternative. [06:26] MinceR unfortunately, bill gates is much more than an annoyance [06:26] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: So most people are wearing the masks. [06:26] DaemonFC[m] Then where is all this COVID coming from? [06:26] oiaohm schestowitz: Virus does not have to mutate if it stays around long enough human immune system will forget. [06:27] MinceR well, here people don't give a fuck [06:27] MinceR the government is testing how hard they can abuse the situation [06:27] MinceR the rest of the people act as if nothing was going on [06:28] MinceR so it shouldn't be a surprise that despite their efforts to avoid testing and to misrepresent deaths (or just lie about them), even the official numbers show extreme spread [06:30] DaemonFC[m] I had some ibotta rebates for that Tom's of Maine mouthwash. [06:30] DaemonFC[m] So I looked at it at Walmart. Almost $6 for a bottle that's not really big. [06:30] DaemonFC[m] And with all this stuff about being "all natural", I noticed there were no active ingredients anywhere. [06:31] DaemonFC[m] Colgate bought them out in 2006 and is running them to sound like some mom and pop. [06:32] DaemonFC[m] They promote overpriced products to the woo woo people. [06:32] DaemonFC[m] Like toothpaste without any fluoride in it. [06:32] oiaohm Fun fact is a few flu strains have been around the world more than once without mutation due to human immune forgetful ness. [06:35] DaemonFC[m] More than a few. [06:35] DaemonFC[m] There's thousands, so yeah, it's just a question of which few crowd out the rest each year. [06:37] MinceR one of these days the nazi chucklefucks reported more known new cases than tests performed [06:37] MinceR but hey, a large chunk of the population is still in favor of these dangerous idiots [06:42] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Nov 19 [07:12] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [07:25] *gde34 (~gde333@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [07:25] *gde33 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) ● Nov 19 [08:16] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) [08:18] *notanamber (~luca@host-79-6-210-200.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [08:39] vZS1 schestowitz: Re: taking your IPFS node offline. I maintain a full mirror so you shouldn't have to worry about your node going offline for a while. I do a lot of experiments on my node but it's generally online 24/7. 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[13:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144544 [https://pleroma.site/objects/64f3e9d7-5b7b-434a-81cc-8e317f0bdc04] [13:34] schestowitz "Petition on the Office's proposal for a new Salary Adjustment Procedure (SAP) [13:34] schestowitz The online petition is CLOSED! [13:34] schestowitz We would like to thank all members who have participated in this online petition for their support, views, opinions and, above all, their time. [13:34] schestowitz SUEPO Central [13:34] schestowitz " [13:34] schestowitz it's done [13:36] schestowitz "You have elected your representatives to your Local Staff Committee (LSC) in June. The four LSCs in turn have elected the following representatives to the Central Staff Committee (CSC). The CSC has held its constituting meeting on 7 July 2020." [13:41] schestowitz ' [13:41] schestowitz The Medium-Term Business Plan (2021-2025) - Your Future, No Future [13:41] schestowitz The Finance Department and DG1 management are currently finalizing, behind closed doors, the Medium-Term Business Plan (2021-2025) which will shape the future of the work in DG1. [13:41] schestowitz The 2019 Financial Study with its overconservative assumptions and its non-existent financial gap was used to justify a cut of your purchasing power with the new salary adjustment procedure. The freeze in recruitment until 2024 means that you will be expected to increase productivity steeply. Thus, the study is now used together with the pandemic to justify an increase in the production pressure. [13:41] schestowitz The freeze in recruitment renders both the orientation paper on recruitment (CA/100/19) and the programme Attract Talent almost meaningless. The EPO will let highly experienced examiners and formalities officers leave without any possibility of knowledge transfer to new recruits. In addition, the upcoming reform of the education-related benefits and childcare allowance will not only harm EPO staff again and create a significant [13:41] schestowitz amount of unrest, it will further reduce the number of applications for future recruitments. [13:41] schestowitz " [13:45] *cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Nov 19 [14:01] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [14:15] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [14:34] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:36] DaemonFC[m] MinceR I'm guessing that if they posted more positive results than tests, they're using the Ohio 2004 electoral strategy. [14:37] DaemonFC[m] More voters seem to approve of the party than registered voters living in those precincts. [14:37] schestowitz " [14:37] schestowitz Institutionalised injustice: Freedom of speech confirmed by the Appeals Committee [14:37] schestowitz The internal Appeal Committee has recently found that the Office was wrong in refusing the publication of two documents in 2016, i.e. a presentation and an open letter to PD4.3. The President of the Office has decided to follow the unanimous opinion of the Appeals Committee. As a result, almost four years later, the documents can now be published on the Intranet. [14:37] schestowitz We consider it legitimate to inform you without further delay about the basic principles of freedom of speech unanimously confirmed by the Appeals Committee. [14:37] schestowitz The case illustrates the incontrovertible fact that the delays in the internal justice system make judicial redress of abuse of power by the Administration an illusory exercise in many cases, especially in cases of censorship. [14:38] schestowitz You can find more details in this paper. [14:38] schestowitz Sincerely yours, [14:38] schestowitz The Central Staff Committee [14:38] schestowitz " [14:38] DaemonFC[m] My guess is that those votes they keep finding in Georgia are just local Republican officials that are trying to say they keep finding flash drives until Trump wins the state. [14:38] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: with georgia green, can (d) dominate all 3 avenues? [14:38] DaemonFC[m] Hallelujah it's a miracle. [14:38] schestowitz wh, senate congress? [14:39] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz, You want my opinion on the special Senate runoff elections? [14:39] schestowitz because that would be karmaric for gop over trumpism chaos they went along with [14:39] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: not that [14:39] schestowitz I want to know if democrats can still dominate the higher, lower and central 'houses' [14:39] DaemonFC[m] I'd say Republicans will most likely win both seats, but at an enormous cost. [14:39] DaemonFC[m] That's probably why they're pissed. [14:41] DaemonFC[m] I think the more realistic expectation for the Senate is that Republicans end up with a two seat majority in the Senate but then they lose it in a 50/50 split next cycle. [14:41] DaemonFC[m] Kamala Harris will be the busiest Vice President in decades halfway in. [14:42] DaemonFC[m] The Democrats have watched their agenda back up for over a decade at that point and they'll whip the vote and make hay while the sun is shining. [14:43] DaemonFC[m] Which is what they should have done last time, but Harry Reid was just awful leadership. [14:44] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz, there's some wildcards with the House. Trump rigged the Census and we just don't know how badly yet. He had Census workers in red states stuffing people who don't exist into empty houses. [14:44] DaemonFC[m] To affect apportionment. [14:45] DaemonFC[m] On the flip side, the Republicans can't gerrymander like they did last time. [14:46] schestowitz ha [14:46] schestowitz " [14:46] schestowitz The Office has started supplying home-office equipment in large quantity and facilitating its ordering for staff (see "From survey to action"). We welcome the commitment to a more ergonomic workplace at home. Nonetheless, we all need to start thinking about possible consequences such a switch to home office might entail, before being confronted with a "fait accompli". [14:46] schestowitz This paper should give you some food for thought. [14:46] schestowitz ' [14:46] schestowitz EPO still working from home [14:46] schestowitz almost 100% now [14:46] DaemonFC[m] A Census worker in Indiana is on the record saying orders from on high were that if she couldn't get a response she was supposed to punch in random occupancy data into her tablet and move on to the next. [14:46] schestowitz oh, ouch [14:47] schestowitz so data-gathering gets them garbage data [14:47] schestowitz reminds me of many such exercises [14:47] schestowitz where you then see people dealing with garbage like a science [14:48] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, what we don't know is were they doing that in every state or just padding the count where Republicans can use it to gain power? [14:49] schestowitz seems so [14:49] schestowitz bogus maps [14:49] schestowitz for false demography [14:49] schestowitz when you see when the popular voter never aligns with electors [14:49] schestowitz ideally it ought to be a very good surrogate, when things average out [14:50] schestowitz so the disparity is evidence of mischief [14:50] schestowitz THAT is the election fraud [14:50] schestowitz giving some constituents more power than others [14:57] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights ● Nov 19 [15:08] DaemonFC[m] Actually, Trump did better in the popular vote than the electoral vote. [15:08] DaemonFC[m] He still would have lost if they lines up perfectly, but oddly, by a lower margin. [15:10] *davisr has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:14] vZS1 I haven't implemented something based on a specification in ages. This project is refreshing [15:15] vZS1 The RSS 2.0 spec mentions SOAP. Haven't seen that one in ages. [15:21] DaemonFC[m] The Orange Nazi's Christmas gift to Americans is letting unemployment benefits expire the day after for 12 million workers who were left unemployed by the pandemic economy. [15:21] DaemonFC[m] He figures that if he can ruin the economy and leave people in a huge mess, that he can get one over on Joe Biden. [15:21] DaemonFC[m] https://www.npr.org/2020/11/19/936329130/12-million-to-lose-jobless-benefits-the-day-after-christmas-unless-congress-acts [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | 12 Million To Lose Jobless Benefits The Day After Christmas Unless Congress Acts : NPR [15:23] DaemonFC[m] Not that it should be an important issue, but it's worth asking.... How many of them voted for him and are going to be seriously harmed by this? Manual labor with no college degree was his base, so I'm guessing 60% of these people supported him. [15:24] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mopar3ddxOM [15:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Teenage Challenge - Top Gear - Series 13 - BBC - YouTube [15:26] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/11/18/georgia-runoffs-how-you-can-help-flip-senate [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Georgia Runoffs: How You Can Help Flip the Senate | Common Dreams Views [15:28] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I suppose there's also the possibility that the Fed raises rates during a recession just to hurt Biden, but I see it as unlikely. [15:28] DaemonFC[m] Those big banks and corporate America don't want higher rates. [15:28] DaemonFC[m] And neither do Republicans, honestly. It makes it unpalatable to unleash vast amounts of cheap money on THEIR pet projects. [15:35] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/18/aaf01d9d5b74f43c.png [15:36] DaemonFC[m] Looked like Ted Cruz in the thumbnail. [15:36] DaemonFC[m] "Like Wolverine fucked a meatloaf." [15:36] schestowitz Kids, MinceR [15:40] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [15:41] DaemonFC[m] https://www.al.com/news/2020/11/second-stimulus-check-gop-will-move-forward-with-stimulus-once-trump-exits-biden-says.html [15:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Second stimulus check: GOP will move forward with stimulus once Trump exits, Biden says - al.com [15:44] schestowitz aha [15:46] DaemonFC[m] https://www.techradar.com/news/users-of-this-popular-vpn-service-could-be-subpoenaed-for-watching-one-movie [15:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Users of this popular torrent service could be subpoenaed for watching one movie | TechRadar [15:46] DaemonFC[m] You can file a lawsuit against Doe defendants. [15:47] DaemonFC[m] Unmasking them is a totally different story. [15:47] scientes schestowitz, I thought Georgian Runoff was when it rains too hard here in Batumi [15:47] DaemonFC[m] If you never figure out who they are, doesn't matter much, does it? [15:48] DaemonFC[m] Neither one of the Republican candidates is happy about this. They have to run again and potentially lose, and they have to spend a bunch of money that they otherwise could have held onto for 2026. [15:48] DaemonFC[m] Trump caused the runoff to begin with. [15:49] DaemonFC[m] Although they'll both likely win, he did so poorly in Georgia that he dragged them down into rematch territory. [15:49] schestowitz NEWS #CommonDreams Who Wants to Break the News to Him? #Trump Silent After #GOP Effort to Block #Election Certification in #Michigan Thwarted https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/18/who-wants-break-news-him-trump-silent-after-gop-effort-block-election-certification Trump to get heart attack soon? [15:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Who Wants to Break the News to Him?' Trump Silent After GOP Effort to Block Election Certification in Michigan Thwarted | Common Dreams News [15:50] schestowitz [15:46] You can file a lawsuit against Doe defendants. [15:50] schestowitz So it's a faux vpn [15:50] schestowitz the basic idea is, [15:50] schestowitz they should not log [15:50] DaemonFC[m] Not really. They don't log. [15:50] schestowitz and such subpoenaes would be moot [15:50] schestowitz PIA had that done to them [15:50] schestowitz but they could not comply, had no logs [15:51] DaemonFC[m] That's going on here is that these people are sending subpoenas out blindly. [15:51] DaemonFC[m] But PIA has nothing to turn over to the court. [15:51] scientes yep, always best to avoid liability by just not keeping records [15:51] DaemonFC[m] You know, they may be unmasked in some other way, I suppose. [15:52] scientes they can't get information if you don't have it [15:52] DaemonFC[m] The "free" VPNs are the ones you have to be really afraid of. [15:52] DaemonFC[m] Including Opera's, which says it logs you in the fine print. [15:52] schestowitz they are MORE spying [15:52] scientes this is why "governments" keep asking people to keep records [15:52] schestowitz they ask you to route traffic to MONETISE [15:52] schestowitz you pay them = they give service [15:52] scientes but they don't have any reason at all for keeping those records [15:52] DaemonFC[m] Right, running a VPN isn't cheap. [15:52] scientes *for asking others to keep those records [15:52] schestowitz they pay you or give it freedom = you are their product [15:53] schestowitz FB tried it [15:53] DaemonFC[m] There's no way Opera does a free browser with a free VPN. [15:53] schestowitz and it backfired fact [15:53] schestowitz *fast [15:53] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: opera is malware [15:53] schestowitz and I've long ridiculed their von [15:53] scientes and the answer should be, "why don't you keep the records if you want", we will send you all the real-time, and you can spend all that money [15:53] schestowitz they're a chinese company now [15:53] scientes and amazingly enough, they actually do that...... [15:53] schestowitz vpn should be presumed spyware [15:53] DaemonFC[m] It seems like Netflix may be in trouble anyway, MinceR [15:53] scientes and spend extreme amounts of money on it [15:54] DaemonFC[m] They're scuttling all of their best shows because they cost a fortune to write and produce. [15:54] schestowitz is netflix >actually< profitable? [15:54] DaemonFC[m] Eventually it'll be crap. [15:54] scientes there is this great movie, Lives of Others, about East Germany's secret police [15:55] scientes you really have to transcode everything to DVD format if you want it a format that is resiliant [15:56] scientes and then its a huge waste of space, as they would fit on CD with a more modern (but also more computationally expensive) codec [15:56] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: It might be after they kill off Altered Carbon. Lost in Space, and all the other good stuff that has production costs and fill it with Sharknado movies again. [15:56] scientes and also optical disks are horribly prone to scratching [15:56] DaemonFC[m] :) [15:58] MinceR DaemonFC[m]: too late, the "open web" is dead already [15:58] MinceR NETFUCKS' death won't bring it back [15:58] scientes Netflix is a single point of failure [15:58] scientes while DVD was a massive success [15:58] scientes even if DivX was a superior codec ● Nov 19 [16:00] scientes and since you can't sell anything that isn't BETTER, we are just going to have to live with DVD [16:00] MinceR (cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/PyHygWf.mp4 [16:01] scientes as the single way of consuming video en mass going into the future (along with actual photographic films) [16:01] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/trump-campaign-drops-michigan-election-lawsuit-rudy-giuliani-says.html [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Trump campaign drops Michigan election lawsuit, Rudy Giuliani says [16:02] DaemonFC[m] Guiliani's antics in court are not impressing judges. I hear he spent half the day arguing about something he deleted from the complaint in Pennsylvania, and then the judge refused to side with him, stating that he couldn't consider something that was not part of the complaint anymore. [16:02] DaemonFC[m] And Trump pays this fucking idiot $20,000 a day. [16:03] scientes Especially as I don't think Blu-ray players can play H264/H265 videos on DVD or CD media in DVD quality (480p). [16:03] scientes I believe they are strictly "upgrade" technology, except that writable blu-ray disks never really happened in the way that DVD (single-layer only) and CD was a massive success. [16:04] scientes both original 640mb and 700mb [16:05] schestowitz MinceR: first time I see such a battle [16:06] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-stock-hits-all-time-intraday-high.html [16:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Tesla stock hits all-time intraday high [16:06] DaemonFC[m] You don't need to lose money to be on the S&P 500, but it sure helps. [16:06] MinceR :> [16:06] DaemonFC[m] :) [16:09] CrystalMath honestly i can't believe michigan voted for democrats [16:10] CrystalMath after what that governor did [16:10] *tr_guest|53802 (54e2ccb6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.226.204.182) has joined #techrights [16:10] CrystalMath i can't even believe there was one vote [16:10] scientes we also don't have decent alternative CD format, that also encodes to be more resiliant to scratching [16:11] MinceR CDs are badly designed [16:11] MinceR the data storage layer is sensitive to oxygen and it's only protected by a layer of lacquer from one side [16:12] MinceR they fixed this in DVD [16:14] scientes how did they fix it in DVD? [16:14] scientes and if that is a physical problem, they why can't they just manufacture CDs with the same technology? [16:14] scientes I mean, many old CD players cannot play CD-Rs, but only the real mass-produced CDs. [16:15] scientes (why is that? I'm curious) [16:15] MinceR they have another plastic disc in place of the lacquer [16:15] MinceR in part so that it can be double-sided [16:15] MinceR it would probably make CDs thicker than allowed by spec [16:16] MinceR (or the distance of the storage layer from the laser/lenses would be wrong, making it unreadable) [16:16] DaemonFC[m] In theory, nothing stops you from producing a CD with the hard coating developed for Blu Ray discs. [16:16] DaemonFC[m] Not sure anyone does. [16:16] scientes it would probably make CDs thicker than allowed by spec [16:16] scientes I don't think this would be a practical problem [16:17] MinceR it would [16:17] scientes except maybe in those ones without trays [16:17] MinceR it would break slot-in readers/players, for example [16:17] DaemonFC[m] Many CDs violate redbook and play in most stuff anyway. [16:17] scientes hahaha, we had the same thought [16:17] MinceR it would probably also break CD changers [16:17] MinceR also, it would make CDs a bit more expensive [16:17] scientes yeah, I could never afford that "first world problem" stuff [16:18] MinceR and human industry will break everything to save a fraction of a cent [16:18] scientes MinceR, dude, many countries have CD-R taxes [16:18] MinceR yeah, it goes to the MAFIAA [16:18] DaemonFC[m] All the more reason to get large capacity flash drives and store the files as WavPack Extra High x6. [16:19] MinceR here they put a tax on flash drives too [16:19] scientes and human industry will break everything to save a fraction of a cent [16:19] DaemonFC[m] On 1 TB? You could store well over 1,500 CDs in lossless that way. [16:19] tr_guest|53802 We need a Steve Ballmer type to lead the free software movement. Benjamin Mako Hill worked for Ubuntu and created codes of conduct and is receiving awards. So count that snowflake out! Alexandre Oliva works for IBM. Richard Stallman wants us to vote for Joe Biden and thinks that President Trump is committing election fraud. So let's assume he just [16:19] tr_guest|53802 turned senile. I want to still admire the young master hacker rms. [16:19] scientes a penny saved is a corner placed in the responsibility of someone else [16:20] CrystalMath tr_guest|53802: i said that a few days ago [16:20] CrystalMath why don't we have our own Steve Ballmer [16:21] CrystalMath someone so excited and ethusiastic about software freedom [16:21] CrystalMath indeed Benjamin Mako Hill is an SJW [16:21] CrystalMath but the rest of the FSF board + Richard Stallman are not [16:21] MinceR tr_guest|53802: what for? the free software movement is dying anyway [16:21] CrystalMath i would not cut off Stallman because of his political opinion, he was always a hippie [16:21] CrystalMath that's his thing [16:22] scientes DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS [16:22] MinceR the only thing steve ballmer was enthusiastic about was crime [16:22] CrystalMath MinceR: the free software movement isn't dying [16:22] scientes Yes, RMS is not a SJW [16:22] MinceR yes it is [16:22] CrystalMath what evidence do you have of this? [16:22] MinceR Linux was taken over by microshit [16:22] MinceR FSF was taken over by SJWs who cancelled RMS [16:23] scientes MinceR, and systemd, aparently [16:23] CrystalMath MinceR: both false [16:23] MinceR most distros were taken over by IBM/RH [16:23] CrystalMath okay, that one is true :P [16:23] MinceR the OSI was also subverted [16:23] scientes MinceR, and systemd, aparantly [16:23] CrystalMath corporate linux is now a reality [16:23] CrystalMath but that doesn't mean you have to use it! [16:23] CrystalMath we're in a better position now than we were in 1987 [16:23] MinceR the GPL is all but defeated via the IPC hole and via the LF method [16:23] MinceR SJWs have infested many formerly free projects [16:24] CrystalMath the IPC hole... actually no [16:24] MinceR we didn't know in 1987 that we didn't have a future [16:24] MinceR patents are only ever enforced against us [16:24] CrystalMath the Oracle v. Google ruling actually showed that the GPL has the power to even extend to an API [16:24] MinceR even if the claim is indefensible [16:24] schestowitz MinceR: what? you don't have patents/ ;-) [16:25] CrystalMath the GPL apparently has magical powers [16:25] MinceR our hardware is ever more locked down, and free software locked out of it [16:25] CrystalMath that is of course a problem [16:25] CrystalMath but since it started in the 90s [16:25] CrystalMath it's not new [16:26] schestowitz [16:22] FSF was taken over by SJWs who cancelled RMS [16:26] schestowitz RMS opposes CoC [16:26] schestowitz and last month he told me that [16:26] schestowitz he took pride in rejecting this nonsense [16:26] CrystalMath actually, i think that you don't fully understand the FSF situation [16:26] schestowitz as it's an assault on free speech [16:26] schestowitz which is basically what they 'got' him for, eventually... [16:26] CrystalMath RMS still has incredible influence on it [16:26] MinceR RMS supports cancerd [16:26] MinceR and cancerd is killing GNU [16:26] CrystalMath i can actually explain it, but i think the idea is for the SJWs to not know about this trick [16:27] CrystalMath so i won't write it out here [16:27] schestowitz he doesn't support it [16:27] schestowitz he's afraid that condemning it would cause a storm [16:27] schestowitz he's afraid of many things [16:27] MinceR he has never spoken out against it, only in favor of it [16:27] MinceR that is support [16:27] schestowitz for the consequences of them [16:27] MinceR and the storm would be preferable to just throwing away our OS and our freedom [16:27] schestowitz in 2012 or thereabouts I convinced him to write against Ubuntu [16:27] schestowitz so he did [16:27] schestowitz after micah lee had done that in EFF [16:27] schestowitz and that cost him [16:28] schestowitz ubuntu 'fans' were not happy [16:28] schestowitz because rms... 'radical' [16:28] schestowitz amazon spying... apps... cool.! [16:28] schestowitz totally not radical [16:28] vZS1 There are plenty of Linux distributions that don't run systemd as the default init system [16:28] schestowitz "scope" is not radical [16:28] schestowitz "just bizniz" [16:28] schestowitz vZS1: but how long for? [16:28] schestowitz many things stop supporting those [16:29] schestowitz firefox already rejects alsa [16:29] schestowitz so you need to use lennartPulseAudio [16:29] schestowitz or else [16:29] schestowitz it was similar with Flash [16:29] vZS1 It depends on what kind of user you are. Gentoo and Void both do a lot without systemd [16:29] schestowitz Adobe Trash [16:29] schestowitz the monoculture metastasise [16:30] MinceR vZS1: far more that do [16:30] schestowitz and they don't bother with modularity that facilitates alternatives [16:30] vZS1 We can't stop people from using systemd [16:30] *tr_guest|53802 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [16:30] schestowitz vZS1: they ended up having to make eudev [16:30] MinceR but can we stop people from forcing cancerd on other people? [16:30] schestowitz more developer time/effort [16:30] MinceR hedrat doesn't let you choose [16:30] psydroid we can stop people from wanting to be used by systemd [16:30] MinceR they took over deadian and removed the option [16:31] MinceR they killed debian so they could force cancerd on users [16:31] vZS1 Then use something that isn't Debian [16:31] schestowitz while it lasts [16:31] schestowitz gentoo is already weak [16:31] schestowitz void... have not heard of it in months [16:31] schestowitz and I read news all day long [16:32] MinceR void is working surprisingly well [16:32] vZS1 Void is active. They just don't post much [16:33] vZS1 It's basically BSD strapped onto Linux. [16:34] vZS1 They have their own init system and package management tools. [16:34] vZS1 It's a good alternative [16:35] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144552 [https://pleroma.site/objects/47782529-936d-4722-b408-ae5fa67b911f] [16:35] vZS1 To the Debian hegemony [16:36] DaemonFC[m] No KDE option in Void, it appears. [16:36] MinceR well, runit isn't really their own, afaict :> [16:37] DaemonFC[m] I'm probably not going to ever look at GNOME again unless I see something that tells me they have their shit together enough to notice breaking things that take away half the performance of their compositing manager and leak gigabytes of RAM. [16:37] DaemonFC[m] So, never, probably. [16:37] MinceR look at xfce, lxqt and fvwm instead :> [16:37] DaemonFC[m] KDE is working well. [16:37] vZS1 I don't use DEs so I wouldn't know [16:37] DaemonFC[m] Or maybe I just got so used to GNOME running like warmed over shit that it's just relatively better. [16:37] DaemonFC[m] Either way.... [16:38] schestowitz yes, KDE is quite solid [16:38] DaemonFC[m] It's really disgusting that GNOME has turned into the bastard offspring of Windows 10 and the Mac. [16:38] MinceR KDE went to hell with 4.0 [16:38] schestowitz I rarely encounter bugs in it anymore [16:38] MinceR and stayed there [16:38] schestowitz those that exist are cosmetic, not severe [16:38] DaemonFC[m] Windows 10 bloat and unreliability and telemetry fused to the Mac's unusable interface = GNOME [16:39] schestowitz vZS1: you don't use a DE? [16:39] schestowitz what WM do you use? [16:39] schestowitz openbox? [16:39] schestowitz fluxbox? [16:39] vZS1 https://alpha.us.repo.voidlinux.org/docs/config/graphical-session/kde.html [16:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alpha.us.repo.voidlinux.org | KDE - Void Linux Handbook [16:39] schestowitz MinceR: the latest KDE is not bad [16:39] MinceR i doubt that [16:39] schestowitz if you have the hardware specs [16:39] vZS1 schestowitz: Awesome wm [16:39] schestowitz ah,right [16:39] MinceR but anyway, putting KDE on top of void should be easy with bedrock :> [16:40] superkuh gnome24life [16:40] schestowitz even first gnome was better [16:40] schestowitz i used gnome when it was very new [16:40] schestowitz the logo was ugly [16:40] MinceR well, GNOME went to hell sometime around 2.0 [16:40] schestowitz but it generally did all the basics [16:40] superkuh Nah, it was fine till 3. [16:40] MinceR 0.x/1.x was pretty good, iirc [16:40] schestowitz without trying to be "like mac" [16:40] schestowitz and the ux cargo cult [16:41] vZS1 You can still use KDE software with a window manager [16:41] MinceR 2.x was already "let's remove functionality so we don't confuse users" [16:41] schestowitz btw, in Daily Links you still see the old GNOME fish icon [16:41] schestowitz and in IRC logs it's the GNOME icons also [16:41] schestowitz those were still current when we started those sections in 2008 [16:42] vZS1 I like awesome wm because it does floating and tiling. [16:42] schestowitz kde plasma works also with openbox [16:42] schestowitz instead of kwin, iirc [16:46] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Flatpak 1.10 Enters Development, Promises Major New Features and Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144545 [https://pleroma.site/objects/603f344f-784b-487c-9fe8-69b3582f3ea3] [16:48] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Linux Emulators for Windows http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144546 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e6b1c29a-0393-430d-9470-921f2e2b056d] [16:48] vZS1 Also, the awesome wm config file is in Lua which is nice. I'd rather use a real programming language for config instead of a half-baked DSL. [16:49] vZS1 Works across BSD and Linux [16:49] MinceR lisp? [16:49] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Announcing Rust 1.48.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144547 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9931411b-eb78-4166-a756-f485cd3062e9] [16:50] vZS1 Lisp is still better than something like YAML [16:50] MinceR also better than lua [16:50] vZS1 I don't mind Lua [16:50] vZS1 It's a simple language [16:51] vZS1 Does the job [16:52] vZS1 Good documentation. Easy to look up syntax and libraries. [16:52] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Arch-based Linux distros of 2020 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144548 [https://pleroma.site/objects/79cd5570-a9d2-4d94-a452-3163df0f4363] [16:53] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:53] MinceR (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/18/7ea2b07a1ecb3a79.mp4 [16:56] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable Kernels: 5.9.9, 5.4.78, 4.19.158, 4.14.207, 4.9.244 and 4.4.244 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144549 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9782c715-e37d-4087-85f5-8e393fa95b5d] [16:57] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144550 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a7b13463-16a5-4b5b-a630-e32115ad2ffa] ● Nov 19 [17:00] DaemonFC[m] Guiliani's legal argument appears to be they made us stand 6 feet away while they counted the votes in Philadelphia, so you should throw the entire election out and order them to appoint Trump electors. [17:01] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [17:01] CrystalMath what? [17:02] CrystalMath i heard that they didn't let republicans look at all [17:02] CrystalMath and even boarded up windows [17:03] MinceR you heard it and believed it [17:03] CrystalMath there was a video too [17:07] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CentOS Linux 7 Receives Patches for Latest Intel CPU Vulnerabilities, Update Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144551 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f495dc3e-c572-4027-81d3-99ee0d1567c2] [17:09] MinceR wow, i didn't know that half of the establishment of one of the most powerful states on earth had access to the technology to make videos [17:09] MinceR it boggles the mind. [17:10] *tr_guest|53802 (54e2ccb6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.226.204.182) has joined #techrights [17:12] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu Touch Installer Makes It Easier to Turn Your OnePlus 2 into a Linux Phone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144553 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4a54b944-d43b-4771-8e6c-3b954b251dbb] [17:14] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:14] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [17:16] *tr_guest|53802 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [17:28] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/18/1fa88609d96501f5.jpg [17:30] XRevan86 MinceR: Was it trying to look like a vertical "vacuum" cleaner or like a fan? [17:30] MinceR the latter [17:30] XRevan86 Hm, then the leg is kind of weird. [17:31] XRevan86 Not a stable platform. [17:31] scientes reminds me of the vacuum cleaner is space balls [17:31] scientes but geeze, who tries to make fake fans? [17:31] *davisr (davisr@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/davisr) has joined #techrights [17:31] scientes just get one of those box fans [17:32] scientes whenever the temperature goes above a certain level home depot would sell those things like pancakes [17:33] scientes stick them at the front of the store and they just disappear [17:33] scientes https://www.homedepot.com/b/Heating-Venting-Cooling-Fans-Box-Fans/N-5yc1vZc4ln [17:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.homedepot.com | Box Fans - Fans - The Home Depot [17:33] scientes giant boxes of box fans [17:34] scientes a bit noisy, but they certainly work [17:34] scientes not really the quality of computer fans though [17:34] schestowitz [17:31] but geeze, who tries to make fake fans? [17:34] schestowitz fan fans [17:35] scientes schestowitz, spot fanning the fans [17:35] schestowitz I was gonna say that next [17:36] schestowitz something about fanning the flames if humour [17:36] schestowitz *of [17:36] scientes and why are we talking about fans when its so damn cold and rainy outside [17:36] scientes I want a raincheck on this conversation until spring [17:36] MinceR there are heating fans :> [17:37] scientes MinceR, you are in the southern hemisphere [17:37] MinceR no [17:38] scientes oh Hungary [17:38] scientes sorry, confused with oiaohm [17:38] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Realpolitiks, Godot Engine and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144554 [https://pleroma.site/objects/93deede0-814e-4fb5-9bcb-fd95c05c2544] [17:39] scientes I think I lost the color coding of nicks [17:39] scientes so everyone is blue now [17:39] scientes I liked how it would hash the nicks and then do colors [17:39] scientes helped distinguish people [17:40] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I disagree about the mass deaths not affecting corporate profits as much as the shutdowns. [17:41] MinceR "Did I ever tell you my favorite color was blue?" [17:41] scientes ok I have colors on in the users box [17:41] scientes but not the channel box [17:41] DaemonFC[m] Directly? They will hurt, but indirectly, the fertility rate in the US has crashed. [17:43] scientes hmm, still no colors [17:43] DaemonFC[m] https://www.christianpost.com/news/declining-birth-rates-linked-to-secularization-diminished-faith.html [17:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.christianpost.com | Declining birth rates linked to secularization, diminished faith - The Christian Post [17:43] DaemonFC[m] Yeah....sure....okay. [17:43] scientes DaemonFC[m], nice [17:43] DaemonFC[m] Couldn't be because everyone is fucking broke and the church always wants your money and never offers to help. [17:44] scientes they should change their name to the Pope John Paul II Post [17:44] scientes *Paul VI [17:44] scientes god damn, they all have the same names [17:45] MinceR what a tragedy, their projects of "Let's Outbreed All The Other Insane Cults" and "Cover Earth In Several Layers Of Human Bodies" will take a bit longer than expected [17:46] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/16/consumer-companies-bracing-for-a-covid-baby-bust.html [17:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Consumer companies bracing for a Covid baby bust [17:46] MinceR who cares about quality of life, when you can force more quantity? [17:46] DaemonFC[m] Remember when they said the stay at home would be a baby boom 9 months later? [17:46] scientes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xjm0f_l4bk [17:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-South Park- Gay Pile - YouTube [17:46] DaemonFC[m] I told my mom, "Well, the sales of condoms skyrocketing would imply otherwise, but okay. We'll see.". [17:46] schestowitz [17:40] schestowitz: I disagree about the mass deaths not affecting corporate profits as much as the shutdowns. [17:47] schestowitz many of the dead are pensioners [17:47] schestowitz they might even get rid of post-career liabilities [17:47] schestowitz if all those "old people" just die in droves [17:47] DaemonFC[m] "In recent years, as the birth rate has lagged, consumer giants have turned to making premium products to appeal to wealthier parents." [17:47] DaemonFC[m] Slap a different label on it. Charge more! [17:47] schestowitz [17:43] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.christianpost.com | Declining birth rates linked to secularization, diminished faith - The Christian Post [17:47] schestowitz They say it like it's a bad thing [17:48] schestowitz also, the first time I read that as sterilisation [17:48] schestowitz rather than secularization [17:48] scientes is that a christian the onion site? [17:48] schestowitz they denounced Trump [17:48] schestowitz its editor did [17:48] DaemonFC[m] "And the births may not just be delayed. The Brookings report forecast that the permanent loss of income stemming from the pandemic will keep some people from having any children even after the crisis subsides." [17:48] DaemonFC[m] duh doy [17:48] schestowitz they got flak and praise for doing so [17:49] scientes nah, not a parody site [17:49] DaemonFC[m] "In recent years, as births in the U.S. and China have slowed, consumer giants have turned their attention to selling premium baby items. Procter & Gamble, for example, is making diapers that dont use tape or that mimic the fit of pants. Last year, Huggies introduced Special Delivery, a premium diaper that is made from plant-based materials and is free of parabens, fragrance and elemental chlorine." [17:49] DaemonFC[m] Even though there was never any evidence that those substances caused any harm, and by not using them they save money and increase prices. [17:49] scientes Oh man, that is the best South Park episode ever [17:51] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/coronavirus-dr-fauci-says-vaccinating-people-who-disregard-covid-as-fake-news-could-be-a-real-problem-.html [17:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Coronavirus: Dr. Fauci says vaccinating people who disregard Covid as 'fake news' could be 'a real problem' [17:51] DaemonFC[m] Why? They spread it back and forth to each other at that point. [17:51] DaemonFC[m] Then round about all the deaths are idiots. [17:51] schestowitz cbnc [17:51] schestowitz that puts gates as flag bearer [17:51] schestowitz no wonder people don't want the vaccines [17:51] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/18/aaadece7d5167287.jpg [17:51] schestowitz he's doing more harm than good [17:51] schestowitz for personal gain [17:52] scientes schestowitz, he is doing good? [17:52] scientes that is news [17:52] MinceR indeed [17:52] DaemonFC[m] You can tell the second season of Lost in Space had a budget cut. [17:52] DaemonFC[m] It's a whole season of bottle episodes kind of. [17:54] schestowitz all the productions have cuts [17:54] schestowitz music also [17:54] schestowitz concerts brought much income [17:54] schestowitz even physical sales [17:54] schestowitz now.. no concerts, no studio meetings.. and people have less money to spend [17:55] schestowitz on the Internet they can get that same stuff for free [17:55] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: And the money they have to spend is pretty much all directed at Walmart and Amazon. [17:55] DaemonFC[m] So they're fine. [17:55] schestowitz movies and audio... movie theatres and concerns [17:55] schestowitz concerts are BIG money [17:55] DaemonFC[m] They took a much bigger share of a smaller pie, so the disaster was great business. [17:55] schestowitz *concerns -> concerts [17:55] DaemonFC[m] Walmart shares up over 33% since March. [17:56] DaemonFC[m] I'd say it's a solid investment. They always do better in bad economies. [17:56] schestowitz when your rivals are shut down [17:56] schestowitz they keep open [17:56] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, exactly. [17:56] schestowitz Gates invests in Walmart also [17:56] schestowitz no wonder he got so much richer so fast [17:56] schestowitz but... he says he's giving it all away [17:56] schestowitz tripled his wealth since then [17:56] schestowitz the media doesn't put it like that [17:56] DaemonFC[m] I think with meat being the most expensive part of the grocery budget, the fact that they have so much of it lately, on the shelves, getting ready to go bad, sold to me for 30-40% off because it's on the last day. [17:57] DaemonFC[m] Really tells you where we are. People are shifting spending away from going heavy on the meat. [17:57] schestowitz not for health reasons [17:57] schestowitz budget [17:57] schestowitz and all those premium items like "prepared" meals [17:58] DaemonFC[m] Yesterday they had marked down organic free range chicken to $3.44 a pound down from like $7, and then I had two rebates, so I used them, and got it to like $3 or something per pound. [17:58] schestowitz maybe people might also learn - gasp - how to cook [17:58] schestowitz "free range" but dead [17:58] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Yes, I freeze it all and then I grab some veggies and canned goods and spices and use the slow cooker. [17:58] schestowitz with eggs they at least keep the chicken alive for longer [17:59] DaemonFC[m] Those slow cookers are very energy efficient. [17:59] schestowitz ok, bbl [17:59] DaemonFC[m] It costs about three times as much to bake something in the oven for an hour as it does to run the slow cooker on low for 8 hours. ● Nov 19 [18:02] oiaohm DaemonFC[m]: depends on oven. https://www.smh.com.au/money/saving/is-a-slow-cooker-a-money-saver-20140225-33ewl.html Its somewhere between a half to 1/3 using a slower cooker. [18:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au | Is a slow cooker a money saver? [18:03] oiaohm So its not always 3 times as much. Some ovens have pure horrible efficiency [18:04] oiaohm Mind you some of your pressure cookers that you can so call used like a slow cooker have worst power efficiency than using a oven. [18:04] DaemonFC[m] "Electricity costs around 15p (28) per kWh" [18:04] DaemonFC[m] Not quite so much in Illinois. [18:05] oiaohm That was good oven vs good slow cooker and its still a 50% saving going the slow cooker. [18:05] DaemonFC[m] Between supply and delivery, taxes, and fees, it works out to about 12-14 cents per, depending on how much you use. [18:05] DaemonFC[m] Now, that can vary greatly depending on which areas of the country you're in. [18:06] DaemonFC[m] I think Massachusetts was like 36 cents per, last I looked. [18:06] DaemonFC[m] So you'd be opening an electric bill almost three times bigger if you moved there, but your taxes are higher and rents are outrageous. [18:06] DaemonFC[m] Illinois is a mess, but the thing about messes is you can always make a bigger one. [18:07] DaemonFC[m] MinceRknows. [18:07] oiaohm Australia general home rate is about 33c AUD. [18:07] DaemonFC[m] The electric company here has fixed and variable rates. [18:07] oiaohm That is roughly 24C at the moment. [18:07] oiaohm as in USA [18:07] DaemonFC[m] Generally, if your electric use is relatively low and/or you can't shift usage, stay on the fixed rate. [18:08] oiaohm 36cents USA price is a hell of a lot. [18:08] DaemonFC[m] Now if you start throwing things like charging an electric car and running all sorts of energy hog appliances, and can do that at night..... [18:08] DaemonFC[m] Might be worth it to do real time or time of day pricing. [18:11] oiaohm Do note that general 33c AUD is the adverage. [18:17] oiaohm Lot of ways here in Australia if you are charging cars you can be better using what is called Secondary tariffs. They are the ones where you 18 hours of power per day. Yes relay causing the circit to be without power for 6 hours a day. [18:18] oiaohm That 18c AUD per kWh [18:27] DaemonFC[m] The state's bizarre and random COVID-19 actions concern me much more than the virus. [18:27] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/2008120 [18:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4819337) [18:30] DaemonFC[m] The governor can go fuck himself, honestly. [18:30] DaemonFC[m] I'm going to do whatever it is I damned well please. [18:30] DaemonFC[m] I'm not even sure I can bring myself to vote for him again. [18:31] DaemonFC[m] I might vote for the Libertarian candidate, honestly. [18:32] DaemonFC[m] I have voted for minor parties before, but normally when it's nothing important or when there's no Republican on the ballot to challenge the Democrat. [18:32] DaemonFC[m] I expect Pritzker to win another term, maybe, but maybe not. [18:33] DaemonFC[m] It seems like support for the Democratic Party in Illinois is realigning itself to Chicago and its suburbs exclusively, and receding a little bit. [18:33] DaemonFC[m] But they should have no trouble holding majorities. [18:34] DaemonFC[m] That's really bad news for downstate when you think about it [18:35] DaemonFC[m] They won't be in any position to make demands on the state government. [18:35] DaemonFC[m] I think Pritzker knows that, and that's why he's focused his more unpopular COVID orders on them even when there's a much worse problem up here. [18:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [18:40] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [18:59] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Speaking of Nazi Chucklefucks, that's one reason why I renewed Mandy's work permit as early as I did. ● Nov 19 [19:00] DaemonFC[m] I anticipated Trump not taking the loss very well and trying to gum things up really bad on the way out. [19:01] DaemonFC[m] https://chicago.suntimes.com/elections/2020/11/3/21530985/election-results-illinois-6th-congressional-district-jeanne-ives-sean-casten [19:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chicago.suntimes.com | Democratic incumbent Sean Casten declares victory over Jeanne Ives - Chicago Sun-Times [19:03] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BqCU7YfTeE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGThY173H-8 [19:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police Car Challenge (Part 1) | Top Gear - YouTube [19:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police Car Challenge (Part 2) | Top Gear - YouTube [19:09] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:09] DaemonFC[m] "Do I know any good lawyers? No. But I do know Rudy Giuliani." [19:10] DaemonFC[m] That South Park joke just keeps getting better. [19:11] scientes XRevan86, English also has inflection with 1, 2, 3, vs 1st, 2nd, 3rd [19:11] scientes and English speakers get that right [19:12] XRevan86 scientes: Not sure if I'd consider that an inflection. [19:12] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [19:12] scientes but it is [19:12] DaemonFC[m] The English speaking world has a lot of infections too. :) [19:12] scientes the number is modify a noun in the second, while it is the noun in the first [19:13] DaemonFC[m] Not surprising. The more native English speakers, the more climate deniers there are in a country. [19:13] scientes *modifying [19:13] XRevan86 scientes: Well, yea, like -ing, -s, -ed, etc. [19:13] scientes damn, all this spanish is making me losing my -ing tense [19:13] XRevan86 scientes: "third", "fourth" are adjectives first. [19:14] scientes except a number is on a number line [19:14] scientes for some reason I see it as related to inflection [19:15] scientes like Charles V [19:15] XRevan86 Well, it is. [19:15] scientes *his* fifth reign [19:16] XRevan86 English has some basic inflections. Like "going" is inflective and "will go" is not. [19:17] XRevan86 It's not like English doesn't have inflections, it's poor on inflections. [19:17] XRevan86 What English does lack is declensions, except for pronouns. [19:17] scientes My thoughts here are basically because of my Russian lessons are forcing me to think about these things [19:19] scientes and also I only know up to 3rd in Spanish because they are never phonetically written in anything I come accross [19:19] scientes 1ro 2do 3ro ? [19:19] scientes anyways.... [19:19] scientes not important [19:20] scientes always stick to the phonetics and you are best off [19:20] XRevan86 Which has an interesting consequence, as one can say "him killed she" and one could piece together who killed whom, but with "Oleg killed Martha" it's completely on the word order. [19:20] scientes XRevan86, good point [19:20] scientes so in Russian you can use either other in both cases [19:20] scientes *order [19:21] XRevan86 Yes, because the words are *inflected* to reflect their function in a sentence. [19:22] scientes or rather their significance in a sentence [19:22] scientes the sentence is the thought, not the word [19:22] MinceR fifth of his name [19:23] scientes MinceR, thanks for correcting me [19:23] XRevan86 nouns I mean [19:23] scientes yeah, but the sentence has the function, and the word does not function without the sentence [19:24] scientes whatever, I am being pedantic [19:24] MinceR well, it was a reference to aSoIaF :> [19:24] XRevan86 Everything has a function :) [19:24] XRevan86 scientes: If the words have no function, what are they doing in your sentence, hmm? :D [19:24] scientes I would like to remove mis-use of = and "function" from *my* special computer language [19:25] scientes with <- and proc [19:25] XRevan86 scientes: I like the use of "function" to mean pure (mathematical) functions. [19:25] scientes so the mathmatecians stop rolling in their graves [19:25] XRevan86 So if a subroutine has no "side-effects", it can be considered a function. [19:26] XRevan86 So "function" can be a sort of constraint, a guarantee. Like in Nim. [19:26] scientes XRevan86, exactly, func is syntactic sugar for something like proc [pure] [19:27] scientes except that so far, the whole reason I need to write a new language is that the whole langauge would be pure [19:27] scientes so that current compilers are just too messy with all their impurities, and then trying to optimize that garbage [19:27] scientes garbage-in-garbage-out is the problem [19:28] XRevan86 No one's ever tried to write a functional programming language before, that's for sure. [19:28] scientes XRevan86, can't call it that, because that is what Haskell is [19:28] scientes what it is is a non-turing-complete programming language [19:29] scientes because the limits to state are always defined (even if you support the polyhedral model, so that those limits can scale, and are abstracted to a given circumstance) [19:29] scientes *support polyhedral optimizations [19:31] scientes because if a machine is deterministic, it always have a limited amount of state it can store [19:32] scientes and if the numbers of states it can represent are finite, it doesn't satisfy Turing's "infinite time and space" requirement. Now that counterexample is not sufficient because you still have more states that there are atoms in the universe, but it is a starting point.) [19:34] scientes because if a machine is deterministic, it always have a limited amount of state it can store [19:34] scientes this does not follow [19:35] scientes it goes the other way----determinism means it is possible to model all possible states of a machine [19:38] scientes or something narrower: a machine's memory capacity is the number of deterministic states in which it can exist [19:38] scientes or entropy [19:38] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144555 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eba3970f-f37f-462c-98e8-e4e2d576e536] [19:39] oiaohm scientes: BPF in the Linux kernel is a not turning complete language. [19:39] oiaohm Its particularly design that it cannot loop for ever. [19:41] scientes oiaohm, if I take a man and cut off his balls, does he cease to be a man? [19:46] oiaohm scientes: testing for if a programing language is turing complete requires going into the insane theory world of infinite memory. So infinite number of storeable states. [19:46] scientes oiaohm, you are saying that the language cannot loop for ever [19:46] scientes except it can [19:46] oiaohm ebpf cannot loop for ever. [19:46] scientes it is just that Linux cuts off the balls of every program, before it runs it [19:47] oiaohm ebpf has to use defined counted loops. [19:47] oiaohm Ok could be like a billion times [19:47] oiaohm but there is a limit. [19:47] scientes exactly [19:47] oiaohm You can calcucate a max run time. [19:48] scientes the limit can be so high that it ceases to be a limit [19:48] oiaohm A turning complete language you cannot. [19:48] scientes You can calcucate a max run time. [19:48] scientes yes, that is all you can do [19:48] oiaohm That is the key difference. [19:48] scientes and doing that is VERY difficult [19:48] oiaohm When you get into these infinity theories. [19:48] scientes because the approach is wrong [19:48] oiaohm things get horrible. [19:49] scientes yes, because no-body knows how to do it [19:49] scientes they are all doing it wrong [19:49] scientes You can calcucate a max run time. [19:50] scientes you actually cant really do this either, because the memory heirarchy is so complicated [19:50] scientes lets say you are working in a virtual machine, so you have page tables of the parent kernel too [19:50] scientes and you cause a page fault [19:51] oiaohm That is because you are adding turning complete parts. [19:51] scientes or you do a mis-aligned read that straddles a page boundry [19:52] oiaohm Having a programing language that is not turing complete. Means if you are opearting on something that is also not turing complete you get predictable results. [19:52] scientes and then you read your swap from a SSD that implements 512B blocks on top of 4KB flash erase blocks, in a propritary firmware that only the vendor has the source to [19:53] oiaohm As soon as you start saying not predictable results you have normally added something turing complete [19:54] oiaohm When you are doing real-time computing work for medical items and the like you are attempting to avoid a lot of turing complete stuff. [19:54] scientes oiaohm, and that medical device uses a firmware locked power adapter [19:55] scientes so that when a single capacitor goes belly up they can change the hospital for a whole MRI machine [19:55] scientes there was a state senator (black) who was asking the lobbiest "so you want me to be your slave?" [19:56] oiaohm I understand the firmware locked power adapter [19:56] oiaohm on some designs of MRI [19:56] scientes in a Right to Repair hearing [19:56] oiaohm Due to the fact that the software for the MRI has to be calibrated feed voltages to get correct images. [19:57] oiaohm So swaping the power adapter without recalibrating can give incorrect to dangerous actions in that case. [19:58] oiaohm Now the issue there is not allowing people to get the recalibration software to undo the lock. [19:59] oiaohm scientes: I agree that there need to be right to repair laws. I also understand that there need to be cases where device detects something changes and locks self down until correct steps are done. ● Nov 19 [20:00] oiaohm I do not agree with the cases were you cannot get the correct steps todo. [20:14] oiaohm scientes: its also like some audio gear. Like some high grade microphoens where when 1 part breaks so it functions exactly right you need to replace 8 other still working parts because the 9 parts have been custom calibrated to be a matched set. [20:15] oiaohm That with the microphones is not firmware locked its where you replace one bit and you have extra hiss or something else that should not be there because they are no longer a matched set. [20:16] oiaohm some devices are just down right picky electronically. [20:25] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc01:200:655e:ef87:f909:8731) has joined #techrights [20:56] *zjmc_ (~jmc@139.28.218.235) has joined #techrights ● Nov 19 [21:10] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:26] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Polaris, BSD Now, TLLTS, Ubuntu Podcast http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144556 [https://pleroma.site/objects/35d8491c-bf41-4d08-915e-9b3ae04334a6] [21:35] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mir 2.2 Released With Display Wall Capabilities, Composite Bypass On GBM-KMS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144538#comment-27200 #deletegithub [https://pleroma.site/objects/d76ddd5b-7d98-48b1-b9cd-0d9cd9443d00] [21:38] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144557 [https://pleroma.site/objects/db5aa878-2485-45b8-9992-6a7db4916bc9] [21:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:42] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [21:45] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:46] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Nov 19 [22:09] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/treasury-seeks-to-extend-some-emergency-fed-programs-but-end-others-including-main-street-facility.html [22:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Treasury moves to end several crisis-era programs, drawing pushback from the Fed [22:11] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144558 [https://pleroma.site/objects/253e70c5-24eb-4170-b2e7-bba9da8c3425] [22:29] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: ouch [22:30] schestowitz It's almost like the country doesn't care about the real economy, only Wall Street (oligarchs) [22:33] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, the ones propping billionaires up are all he wants to extend [22:34] schestowitz :-) [22:40] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Mozilla and #Firefox Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144559 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6e93aad2-0a9e-4f8a-b9e9-895e10d2b344] [22:43] DaemonFC[m] https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/wiki/Anonymous-Mode [22:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Anonymous Mode qbittorrent/qBittorrent Wiki GitHub [22:43] DaemonFC[m] Worth doing on the later versions if you use a VPN. [22:43] DaemonFC[m] It can turn off a few bits that can more precisely identify your client. [22:47] *balrog has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [22:49] DaemonFC[m] Those copyright lawyers are still pretty vicious about the big label back catalog. [22:54] vZS1 Here's the thing [22:55] vZS1 Clever pirates make tiny modifications to files [22:56] vZS1 So the SHA1 in the magnet link is always up in the air [22:57] vZS1 On top of that, with DHT, you can't really do much unless you are just going to go after every IP address you see [22:58] oiaohm vZS1: sometimes not that tiny modifications like using hdmi to camera capture device to capture something protected. [22:59] vZS1 And most of those end up being dead ends because it's some person in El Salvador or something [22:59] schestowitz why that country? [22:59] schestowitz the stigma of crime? [22:59] schestowitz I doubt many there do digital things ● Nov 19 [23:00] schestowitz not of any level of sophistry [23:01] *balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) has joined #techrights [23:01] oiaohm schestowitz: https://premproxy.com/proxy-by-country/El-Salvador-01.htm Its a common country to proxy from. [23:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Proxies from El Salvador |PremProxy.com [23:01] vZS1 It was just a random country that popped into my head [23:02] vZS1 No particular reason [23:02] oiaohm Mostly due to not having a lot of laws for tracing though. [23:02] vZS1 Packet inspection doesn't really work either because P2P traffic breaks everything into fragments [23:04] vZS1 You're actually more likely to get caught using a VPN because a VPN can use telemetry without your knowledge [23:04] oiaohm Really I would say most likely not tracing back to a El Salvador person but tracing back to a country like El Salvador with lax laws that the lawyer cannot using local police to get any more information [23:04] *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/PXNpGveDRaHItSkeqqjMTVKH/message.txt > [23:04] DaemonFC[m] --- [23:04] DaemonFC[m] Another one goes splat. [23:05] *superkuh shakes his head at matrix. [23:05] superkuh All we see is, ...pGveDRaHItSkeqqjMTVKH/message.txt [23:06] vZS1 Looks like a hash [23:07] superkuh It's a URL to a .txt of the message. It's a terrible system. [23:07] superkuh But yeah, that part of it. [23:07] vZS1 I prefer content-based addressing [23:07] superkuh I Just didn't want to spam the entire spammy thing again. [23:07] vZS1 Gets rid of ambiguity [23:08] superkuh Tangential, http://superkuh.com/thisurlnamehasnothingtodowiththeactualtopicijustnameditthisforkicks.html [23:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-superkuh.com | Broadband/Wideband Antenna [23:08] oiaohm vZS1: https://www.zdnet.com/article/telstra-tests-p2p-throttling-deep-packet-inspection/ the horrible part is there is a nasty answer ISP can do to p2p as what was done here don' [23:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Telstra tests P2P throttling, deep packet inspection | ZDNet [23:08] oiaohm t care what is going by p2p just filter the lot. [23:08] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [23:08] superkuh https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/17/21571069/microsoft-pluton-processor-security-windows-pc [23:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft Pluton is a new processor with Xbox-like security for Windows PCs - The Verge [23:09] vZS1 Someone on my ignore list is sharing ZDNet [23:09] vZS1 That'll be why you're on my ignore list [23:09] superkuh There are a few decent people left at zdnet. [23:09] vZS1 Go ahead with your "deep packet inspection" of the entire internet. What a troll [23:10] vZS1 There were decent people in the Nazi party. Doesn't mean it didn't need eradication. [23:10] oiaohm superkuh: not exactly sure if that pluton is going to be new thing really. Thinking trenchboot in server world starts first. [23:11] superkuh That was a quick Godwin. [23:11] oiaohm https://github.com/TrenchBoot/documentation/blob/master/documentation/Architecture.md Its this thing used in Azure. [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-documentation/Architecture.md at master TrenchBoot/documentation GitHub [23:12] schestowitz [23:09] Someone on my ignore list is sharing ZDNet [23:12] schestowitz it's OK to link to ZDCrap to ridicule it [23:12] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet [23:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights [23:13] schestowitz [23:11] That was a quick Godwin. [23:13] schestowitz to hell with Godwin [23:13] schestowitz the analogy was suitable and not offensive to oiaohm in any way [23:13] vZS1 My point stands Godwin or not [23:13] schestowitz many things can be brought up in a discussion [23:14] schestowitz like someone's mother [23:14] schestowitz or nationality [23:14] schestowitz Why should Nazis get a special treatment? [23:14] superkuh Hey man. I don't make the rules. Godwin's law is godwins law. I respect the usenet ways. [23:14] schestowitz as if to vainly discourage people from such analogies [23:14] schestowitz the "law' says what it likely to happen [23:14] schestowitz many discussions get heated and end up talking about blacks [23:14] superkuh If it's not clear yet, I'm just joking around. [23:14] schestowitz should we make a law about that too? [23:15] schestowitz superkuh: yeah :-) [23:15] schestowitz but figosdev especially hates that [23:15] schestowitz because nazis analogies have their place [23:15] oiaohm https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/business-enterprise/network-services/pdf/telstra-business-peak-application-performance-data-sheet.pdf This is the telstra sales sheet to sell deep packet inspection to business customers. [23:15] schestowitz in this particular case it's not even an insult to anyone [23:15] schestowitz the insinuation is that someone will be called a nazi [23:16] vZS1 Didn't actually call a person that. More an organisation [23:16] superkuh Whew boy. OKay, no more godwin jokes here. Got it. [23:16] schestowitz :-) [23:16] vZS1 ZDNet and its ilk are technology fascists [23:16] schestowitz i think it's OK mentioning nazis [23:16] oiaohm Lot of people think deep packet inspection has to go inside packets. [23:16] schestowitz without mike godwin being brought up [23:16] schestowitz like he was some brilliant mind for pointing it out [23:17] schestowitz I mentioned nazis just 1-2 hours ago [23:17] oiaohm But what telstra is up to is we will work out the applicaiton traffic pattern and boost, cripple, or block it. [23:17] schestowitz because iBM is again playing word eradication games [23:17] schestowitz while deflecting as usual [23:17] vZS1 superkuh: not really bothering me with the whole Godwin thing [23:17] vZS1 Just making clear [23:17] superkuh Ok. [23:17] schestowitz :-) [23:17] schestowitz I call trump something "nazi" a lot [23:17] schestowitz because the analogies often word [23:17] vZS1 I used an analogy I thought was appropriate [23:17] schestowitz and tick the boxes [23:18] schestowitz *work [23:18] schestowitz vZS1: maybe until there's a "law" about Trump we can compare to Trump regime instead [23:18] oiaohm Also did not help that Trump hung around with people who basically call themselves Nazi as well. [23:18] schestowitz [23:10] There were decent people in the Trump regime party. Doesn't mean it didn't need eradication. [23:19] vZS1 One need only see forced and involuntary sterilisation of people in those immigrant camps [23:19] vZS1 Under the Trump administration [23:20] vZS1 Let me find the link [23:20] vZS1 Hold on [23:21] schestowitz there's also nytimes with the inside in the trump regime in the wh [23:21] schestowitz saying he tried to reform them [23:21] schestowitz and acted like a mole [23:21] schestowitz iirc, one devout catholic member in the nazi party plotted to assassinate hitler [23:21] schestowitz for being against what he perceived his religion to be preaching [23:21] schestowitz and there may have been others [23:22] schestowitz but still, that does not make the party ok, which was the original point [23:22] schestowitz vZS1: we have about a dozen links about that [23:22] schestowitz in Daily Links [23:22] schestowitz inc. interviews [23:23] oiaohm vZS1: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/17/ice-hysterectomy-allegations-us-eugenics-history This has more of the history in it. [23:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Ice hysterectomy allegations in line with US's long and racist history of eugenics | US immigration | The Guardian [23:23] schestowitz https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/10/23/cruelty-was-always-plan-pressed-mass-family-separations-final-debate-trump-smears [23:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Cruelty Was Always the Plan': Pressed on Mass Family Separations in Final Debate, Trump Smears Victims as 'Bad People' | Common Dreams News [23:23] schestowitz https://truthout.org/articles/forced-sterilization-is-nothing-new-to-criminalized-people-in-the-us/ [23:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Forced Sterilization Is Nothing New to Criminalized People in the US [23:24] schestowitz https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/16/fight-not-over-activists-help-ice-detainee-avoid-deportation-following-alleged [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'This Fight Is Not Over': Activists Help ICE Detainee Avoid Deportation Following Alleged Sterilization Procedure at Georgia Facility | Common Dreams News [23:24] oiaohm The sterillisation problem the the USA starts in 1927 with a supreme court ruling. Nothing has be put into USA law since then to over turn it. [23:24] schestowitz IBM: http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBMs Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights [23:24] schestowitz also of relevance (more recent): [23:24] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/ [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its Support for the Black Community | Techrights [23:24] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/ibm-keen-sense-of-public-relations/ [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBMs Founder, Mr. Watson (Yes, That Watson), Had Very Keen Sense of Public Relations | Techrights [23:24] vZS1 https://kottke.org/20/09/horrifying-reports-of-forced-hysterectomies-at-ice-detention-camps [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kottke.org | Horrifying Reports of Forced Hysterectomies at ICE Detention Camps [23:25] vZS1 Didn't GitHub have a whole episode with ICE a while back? [23:25] schestowitz https://truthout.org/video/survivors-of-forced-sterilization-in-california-prisons-are-speaking-out/ [23:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Survivors of Forced Sterilization in California Prisons Are Speaking Out [23:25] schestowitz https://www.democracynow.org/2020/9/22/belly_of_the_beast_documentary [23:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Belly of the Beast: Survivors of Forced Sterilizations in Californias Prisons Fight for Justice | Democracy Now! [23:25] schestowitz Microsoft partners: https://www.democracynow.org/2020/9/22/dawn_wooten_ice_forced_sterilization [23:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Whistleblower Nurse in ICE Jail Alleges Forced Sterilization & Neglect Amid 8th COVID Death | Democracy Now! [23:26] vZS1 Thanks for the links [23:26] vZS1 So you see [23:26] schestowitz https://www.democracynow.org/2020/9/23/no_mas_bebes_forced_sterilization [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | No Ms Bebs: ICE Hysterectomy Scandal Recalls 1970s LA, When a Hospital Sterilized Chicana Patients | Democracy Now! [23:26] vZS1 They are a lot more like Nazis than people think [23:27] vZS1 This is why TR is great. I don't have this kind of knowledge for these topics. [23:27] schestowitz thanks [23:28] kingoffrance some ppl have said its the other way around; the nazis were inspired by them [23:28] DaemonFC[m] Trump just lost 3 more lawsuits in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona. [23:29] DaemonFC[m] He's lost over 3 dozen lawsuits that went in front of judges who were mostly Republicans. [23:29] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: AMD, Intel and Mesa http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144560 [https://pleroma.site/objects/252108b1-9bac-4ffa-98dd-5525713db369] [23:29] DaemonFC[m] No wonder Rudy Giuliani is leaking 15w40 hair dye. [23:29] DaemonFC[m] He's clearly blown a gasket. [23:30] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: next up Trump has a stroke [23:30] schestowitz the end [23:30] schestowitz no need to divorce Melania [23:30] schestowitz she inherits the debt [23:30] schestowitz DB arrests here [23:30] schestowitz in debt prison [23:31] DaemonFC[m] No reason to stay married to him. [23:31] DaemonFC[m] She'll just be another creditor at the bankruptcy anyway. [23:31] schestowitz she's planning to divorce [23:31] schestowitz it's in the news [23:31] DaemonFC[m] Might as well leave while there's some assets maybe. [23:32] DaemonFC[m] I read that the only reason she hasn't bolted already is she knows that Trump would find some way to get revenge for humiliating her for divorcing him while he's still in the spotlight after losing the election. [23:32] schestowitz some tabloids made it official [23:32] schestowitz saying or implying she had already filed [23:32] schestowitz maybe she wants out before the DB loans are due [23:32] schestowitz so she might get something still [23:33] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: it would not be wise [23:33] schestowitz she can humiliate him more [23:33] schestowitz heck, she can reveal his crimes [23:33] schestowitz and finish him [23:34] schestowitz Ivana spoke/wrote (via law firm) in the coutt filing about how he kept reading Hitler's work [23:34] schestowitz in the same way Bannon's wife threw dirt [23:34] schestowitz she has more leverage on him than he has on her [23:34] schestowitz and media would be attentive to HER -- not his -- allegations [23:35] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:36] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [23:37] vZS1 Trump acquittal after impeachment tells you all you need to know about that system [23:37] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: AMD, Intel and Mesa http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144560 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3ae65055-271e-4784-aeae-383de8fc79c3] [23:38] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [23:38] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi News and Bits http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144561 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1195e6a3-5dc1-42ae-9241-addaa3ce5604] [23:38] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [23:40] DaemonFC[m] Well, Mitch McConnell defended not removing Trump by saying the voters would have an opportunity to have their say. [23:40] DaemonFC[m] Then they got blindsided when the voters......removed Trump. [23:41] schestowitz don't trust systems that bomb countries for "Freedom"and "Democracy" [23:41] schestowitz while the bomb manufacturers are private, for-profit firms [23:41] DaemonFC[m] He may go kicking and screaming, but he'll go. [23:41] DaemonFC[m] Question is what Biden does. Whatever it is, I doubt it will be as horrendous as another 4 years of Trump. [23:41] DaemonFC[m] Only reason I voted for him. [23:42] schestowitz as many others did [23:42] schestowitz 2 months more [23:42] schestowitz 20 jan [23:42] schestowitz Trump as trespasser [23:42] DaemonFC[m] If Larry Hogan runs in the Republican Primary next cycle, I may vote as a Republican to nominate him in the primary. [23:42] schestowitz Maybe he can egg on his militias [23:42] schestowitz to do a SFK [23:42] schestowitz *JFK [23:43] DaemonFC[m] That would be unwise. [23:43] vZS1 Biden is pretty old. A stroke might get him first. Can't be easy being president at his age. [23:43] schestowitz Trump would choke on a beef burger just fantasising about it [23:43] DaemonFC[m] The sentiment after the Kennedy assassination speaks for itself. Look at thee 1964 election. Nobody even liked Lyndon Johnson and the entire map lit up blue. [23:43] schestowitz vZS1: then it's Harris [23:43] schestowitz Harris is likely not as bad as Biden [23:44] DaemonFC[m] I did question the wisdom of picking a Senator from California. [23:44] DaemonFC[m] Normally you pick someone who is popular in a close state that you're trying to win. [23:45] DaemonFC[m] Although he did still win Georgia. [23:45] schestowitz he won funding [23:45] schestowitz many of the tech giants are there [23:45] DaemonFC[m] Some were hoping he'd choose Stacey Abrams to pull in Georgia. [23:46] schestowitz Maybe she would have been 'too black' for Biden's GOP base [23:46] schestowitz Biden is more right than left [23:46] DaemonFC[m] Picking up Georgia is a significant blow to Trump because they're getting ready to certify their vote quickly after this recount and Trump stands no chance of interfering with it. [23:46] schestowitz Obama was half of Kenya descent, I think Harris India and Jamaica [23:47] schestowitz Georgia is a very racist state historically [23:47] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, Trump never could work with Congress on much except that he and the Republicans used each other from time to time. [23:47] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, which makes this all the more bizarre. [23:47] schestowitz I don't know what % black-American it is, wouldn't shock me if about 30% [23:47] DaemonFC[m] Black voters in Georgia gave the state's electoral vote to Biden. [23:47] DaemonFC[m] My uncle, who is quite quite racist, lives down there, and I'm sure he's horrifed. [23:47] DaemonFC[m] hehehehehe [23:48] schestowitz I guess calling countries "shithole" does not help [23:48] schestowitz it riles people up [23:48] schestowitz and they vote like it's trhe pilgrimage [23:48] schestowitz same for natives [23:48] DaemonFC[m] Trump needlessly piled onto that at the debate. [23:48] schestowitz after calling Warren "Pocahontas" [23:48] DaemonFC[m] Said India and China were "filthy" "nasty" countries. [23:48] schestowitz India also? [23:49] schestowitz that will be played back a lot [23:49] schestowitz to cause like 3 billion people to keep the US away [23:49] schestowitz "Chinese virus" [23:49] schestowitz people don't forget those catchphrases [23:49] schestowitz Biden won't fix it [23:50] DaemonFC[m] You don't think a "Look, it's over, he's gone. We got rid of him. Sorry, sorry." will fix that? [23:50] DaemonFC[m] You know any democracy is at risk of having this happen. [23:51] DaemonFC[m] You know that... Look what just happened because of idiots in your country. [23:51] schestowitz [23:50] You don't think a "Look, it's over, he's gone. We got rid of him. Sorry, sorry." will fix that? [23:51] DaemonFC[m] Not only Boris Johnson, but Brexit and the US discussing maybe having to sanction you for violating human rights. [23:51] DaemonFC[m] I mean, come on. [23:51] schestowitz many countries never forgave the US for Bush/Cheney [23:51] schestowitz some never forgave us for B'liar, either [23:51] DaemonFC[m] It swings back and forth. [23:52] DaemonFC[m] You can't keep the lunatics at bay 100% of the time. [23:52] schestowitz many never forgave Germany even 80 years later [23:52] DaemonFC[m] Well, at least there wasn't a holocaust in the US under Trump. [23:52] schestowitz and people will remember that 70+ million yanks STILL voted Trump [23:52] DaemonFC[m] It's bad that you even have to say that. [23:52] schestowitz and only a surge of anti-Trump stopped that from giving him 4-lifetime more years [23:53] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, but you know, the virus plague he brought here is going to spend 4 more years killing many of those people. [23:53] schestowitz ooh shit!! [23:53] DaemonFC[m] Before they get to try again. [23:53] schestowitz https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ [23:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United States Coronavirus: 12,052,527 Cases and 258,182 Deaths - Worldometer [23:53] schestowitz it'll be over 2000 today [23:53] schestowitz first time since spring-ish [23:54] schestowitz "Murican carnage" [23:54] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, and so could be millions, and mostly the demographic that tried to foist Trump on us again. [23:54] schestowitz self-induced [23:54] schestowitz by the "Murican carnage" Mafia DOn [23:54] vZS1 Millions of people are dying to this pandemic because of politicians [23:54] vZS1 Not the Holocaust but still a lot of dead people [23:55] DaemonFC[m] I meant a Holocaust in the sense of people being rounded up and shot and forced into incinerators and gas chambers. [23:55] DaemonFC[m] At least THAT didn't happen under Trump. [23:55] vZS1 ICE [23:56] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:56] DaemonFC[m] But it may well have eventually, or you know, he might have started a process that led to that. [23:56] DaemonFC[m] Do you think ICE will be reigned in a bit by Biden? [23:56] vZS1 No idea [23:57] schestowitz ICE is not going away [23:57] schestowitz Biden is not even signalling that [23:57] schestowitz Obama was OK with Bush's ICE [23:57] schestowitz even expanded it a bit, iirc [23:57] schestowitz increased deportations, too [23:57] schestowitz the two booths, blue and red, walk in the same direction [23:57] schestowitz but the regime is right-footed [23:58] schestowitz so the right foot stride harder [23:58] schestowitz *strides [23:58] schestowitz the left foot is dragged along [23:58] schestowitz sometimes even enthusiastically [23:58] *cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [23:58] schestowitz https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-said-hes-really-good-at-killing-people-2013-11 [23:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Obama Said He's 'Really Good At Killing People' - Business Insider [23:59] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-191120.txt

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