●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Monday, November 16, 2020 ●● ● Nov 16 [00:13] MinceR maybe the people need a few more youtube-dl incidents until they learn [00:14] schestowitz vZS1: remember ipfs can be accused of 'piracy' [00:14] schestowitz among other things [00:14] schestowitz or transferring some "rogue" files [00:14] schestowitz with authorities demanding takedowns [00:14] schestowitz ipfs too needs to #deleteGithub [00:15] schestowitz to be censorship-resistant [00:15] MinceR https://files.catbox.moe/amfcpo.png [00:15] schestowitz he shoots also [00:16] schestowitz but only frontally [00:16] schestowitz they're called imps, iirc [00:16] schestowitz or rather no... [00:16] schestowitz the imps are smaller [00:16] schestowitz this one is "boss" [00:18] MinceR the one on the picture is a cyberdemon [00:19] schestowitz http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-151120.html [00:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, November 15, 2020 [00:19] schestowitz ok, sorted now [00:20] schestowitz had to chown and chgrp [00:20] schestowitz for moving to rsync [00:20] schestowitz rsnyc creates new tmp files [00:20] schestowitz during the transfer [00:20] schestowitz so must have permission to write new files [00:20] schestowitz I will code a sanity check now [00:24] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [00:28] schestowitz decided not to [00:28] schestowitz as the morning would trigger issue if there's an error anyway [00:28] schestowitz and the command line would also spew out something if an error occurs [00:30] *inky (~inky@188.115.248.130) has joined #techrights [00:35] 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Podcast, Linux Action News and GNU World Order http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144408 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ea50d253-9389-447f-bd48-afef37506f1c] [08:49] *titanbiscuit (~tbisk@193.148.18.52) has joined #techrights [08:52] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software Releases: Scribus 1.5.6.1 and BleachBit 4.1.1.1770 Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144409 [https://pleroma.site/objects/110dad4e-28b0-4d89-9f9c-b9b50a5c1ba6] ● Nov 16 [09:19] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc01:200:655e:ef87:f909:8731) has joined #techrights [09:40] *superkuh has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:44] *superkuh (~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh) has joined #techrights [09:48] vZS1 > [00:13] MinceR: maybe the people need a few more youtube-dl incidents until they learn [09:48] vZS1 I think it's a combination of factors [09:48] vZS1 Money from GAFAM [09:49] vZS1 Reluctance to run their own development solution [09:50] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [09:50] scientes https://blog.infura.io/an-introduction-to-ipfs/ [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.infura.io | An Introduction to IPFS (Interplanetary File System) | Infura Blog | Tutorials, Case Studies, News, Feature Announcements [09:51] scientes Man, I want some of whatever they are smoking. [09:53] vZS1 I'm thinking hard about how to effectively leverage available technology to come up with a decentralised development tool. I've got some ideas but I need to prototype them. ● Nov 16 [10:22] schestowitz now we see Google leveraging GitHub too... to censor DRM-swatting tools [10:22] schestowitz so on some level not only Microsoft benefits from GitHub monopoly [10:22] schestowitz the site is deeply, inherently imperialistic [10:22] schestowitz world police for free software [10:22] schestowitz we need to destroy GitHub and Skype etc. [10:22] schestowitz They're a force of occupation [10:22] schestowitz FB too [10:22] schestowitz it's not an exhaustive list [10:22] schestowitz technology is a weapon [10:23] schestowitz proprietary more so [10:23] schestowitz and centralisation = consolidation of military power [10:23] schestowitz espionage, censorship, spy op (controlling narratives) [10:23] schestowitz *psy [10:46] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144410 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a5e6dd10-b63c-4b2c-9736-461cbf91f7f4] [10:59] vZS1 I don't think we'll ever destroy them. What I'm doing is building an alternative where authors of software maintain full control of their entire project. ● Nov 16 [11:00] vZS1 The only way to do that is to get the entire suite to fit on a cheap computer like a RPi [11:01] vZS1 There's inherent necessity for some server-client components. That's just what some tools require. What I'm trying is to offload as much on to IPFS as possible [11:02] vZS1 Not looking to reinvent any wheels. Just use what's available in creative ways, with minor tweaks [11:03] vZS1 Once I've refined the ideas enough, I'll write a white-paper about it with reference examples. [11:04] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [11:05] vZS1 Right now I'm thinking about the fundamental interactions between human beings required to develop software. Those will be refined into basic assumptions my system needs to satisfy. [11:06] vZS1 Then I'll need to work out how to fit tools satisfying those assumptions onto a low-powered computer. [11:07] vZS1 It shouldn't be too hard. Just need to think about it for a while. [11:15] psydroid RPis will also grow up over time, democratising the availability of and access to hardware, so there will be even fewer excuses to resort to clown computing companies and their accomplices [11:16] vZS1 psydroid: that's a very good point [11:19] scientes psydroid, I had the first one, the sheevaplug, but it doesn't solve the bandwidth problem [11:19] scientes and asyncronous connections are common [11:19] scientes with much higher download speeds [11:19] vZS1 One important thing I'm working with is to offload a lot of the processing work to a separate machine. There's too much bloat in server software today. [11:20] scientes and also ISPs often do not provide IPv6 [11:20] scientes particularly mobile is often NAT-ipv4-only [11:21] vZS1 The nice thing about IPFS is that all you really need to do is maintain indices [11:22] vZS1 Every application boils down to index management [11:22] vZS1 And the IPFS objects don't even need to live on the server coordinating indices [11:22] Ariadne vZS1: by the way, i am planning to publish alpine software repositories to IPFS, to enable a permanent archive (where you can select a date and get the repos that were published as of that date) [11:23] vZS1 That's my basic guiding principle [11:43] MinceR 16 104932 < vZS1> Reluctance to run their own development solution [11:43] MinceR they don't have to run their own, there are plenty of hosts not run by microshit [11:45] vZS1 Well, I'm going for full autonomy here [11:45] vZS1 So external hosting is not considered [11:45] vZS1 As a basic assumption [11:54] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/Ez3FDEe.jpg [11:55] MinceR i suspect many developers are too cheap to run their own server [11:56] vZS1 They're free to run their project however they want ● Nov 16 [12:25] *obarun has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:28] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:33] schestowitz vZS1: just got an electric splitter so I can hook up more devices [12:34] schestowitz maybe I'll by a second-hand dedicated display for the rapi in December [12:34] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19455499 [12:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Names can be misleading and acronyms too. Take FSFE fot example. The (real) FSF opposes the FSFE's use of the "FSF" name (there are leaks to show this) because FSFE does not stand for what FSF stands for. The "E" for Europe? Nope. Biggest sponsors AMERICAN ... #ProprietarySoftware giants [12:34] vZS1 I just have mine on the bottom of my work desk. My monitor has 2 HDMI ports. One cable is always free for stuff like the Pi [12:36] vZS1 That's how I use my air-gapped computers [12:36] vZS1 They don't have any networking on them [12:36] vZS1 I just plug in a keyboard and hook it up to my monitor [12:37] vZS1 Some of them are old so I have a VGA-HDMI adapter for them [12:39] vZS1 Got a few PS/2 keyboards lying around as well, for the old units. [12:41] schestowitz cool [12:41] schestowitz sounds familiar a habit [12:42] schestowitz vZS1: the scripts are now chained [12:42] oiaohm there are some quite cheap KVM switch solutions out there for cases where monitors don't have don't have enough ports. [12:42] schestowitz as noted after midnight [12:42] oiaohm For airgapping. [12:42] schestowitz I just had to correct some permission barrier at the server side [12:42] schestowitz oiaohm: it's not hard to switch manually [12:42] vZS1 Let me check the bot [12:42] schestowitz only takes like 5 seconds [12:43] schestowitz TotalIn: 13 GB [12:43] schestowitz TotalOut: 5.0 GB [12:43] oiaohm schestowitz: there is the issue of port wear to consider. [12:43] schestowitz I spent an hour studying the firefox extensions [12:43] schestowitz "companion" [12:43] schestowitz and reading about it [12:43] schestowitz some of it still flies over my head [12:43] vZS1 The CLI is a lot simpler [12:44] schestowitz here's a question [12:44] schestowitz I could not easily answer [12:44] schestowitz what command to cat a particular ipfs hash? [12:44] schestowitz just showing its contents in the CLI gives the hash/CID [12:45] vZS1 `ipfs cat CID` [12:45] schestowitz i might want to post about this in techrights [12:45] schestowitz and ask people to install it, then pin us [12:45] schestowitz maybe the manual you wrote already has something about that to reuse [12:46] vZS1 Sounds like a plan [12:47] vZS1 I logged into the Pi [12:47] vZS1 Your one [12:47] vZS1 The bot is working [12:49] vZS1 Going to head off now. Got stuff to do [12:49] schestowitz cheers [12:49] schestowitz liking ipfs [12:49] vZS1 Have a good day [12:49] schestowitz will improve our workflow over time [12:49] schestowitz will promote it [12:49] schestowitz still learning [12:53] oiaohm https://slashdot.org/story/20/11/15/2340224/amazons-alexa-can-now-guess-what-you-want-before-you-ask-for-it hmm this is could get worse in future. [12:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | Amazon's Alexa Can Now Guess What You Want Before You Ask For It - Slashdot ● Nov 16 [13:07] scientes oiaohm, do you want to die? [13:07] scientes Alexa: yes [13:07] scientes oiaohm, have you seen the movie Brazil? [13:10] oiaohm scientes: the one I was thinking about was this is Amazon manage if Alexa gets smart and you find your self with no money and a huge stack of products that Alexa decided to order for you because it thought you were interested. [13:10] oiaohm Package return from hell. [13:11] scientes oiaohm, that is the least of your problems if you have one of those things [13:11] scientes watch Brazil [13:12] schestowitz [12:53] https://slashdot.org/story/20/11/15/2340224/amazons-alexa-can-now-guess-what-you-want-before-you-ask-for-it hmm this is could get worse in future. [13:12] schestowitz slashdot = spam [13:12] schestowitz marketing [13:12] schestowitz amazon says amazon [13:12] schestowitz bill gates says [13:12] schestowitz trump thinks [13:12] schestowitz pfizer claims pfizer ... [13:12] schestowitz 'journalism' [13:13] oiaohm AI forward guessing is possible. [13:13] scientes why do usb 3 drives need external power adapter? [13:14] scientes 750 mA not enough? [13:15] oiaohm scientes: I have not watched the movie Brazil but its description matches a lot of other movies I have watched over the years. Like the net and so on. [13:15] scientes you won't regret it [13:15] scientes great movie [13:15] oiaohm when you say usb3 drives needing external power adapters. [13:15] oiaohm I guess you mean the harddrives. [13:15] scientes yeah [13:15] scientes the Xilinx suite takes fucking 70 GB [13:16] scientes I though 512GB ssd was pretty big, considering I lived with 64GB before [13:16] scientes but this thing is massive [13:17] scientes hmm the 2.5" hard drives seem to work without power adapter [13:17] scientes only 3.5" need it [13:17] oiaohm That correct. [13:17] oiaohm Yes it power draw. [13:18] oiaohm 3.5 inch harddrives to spin up need quite a bit of power. [13:18] scientes ok, this is still much cheaper than bigger SSD [13:18] oiaohm floppy drives and 2.5" can spin up if USB port does provide power up to specification. [13:19] oiaohm Some motherboards you have to use a powered hub or the 2.5"/floppy drives are not starting. [13:19] oiaohm Or if you have used too long of USB extention cable. [13:19] MinceR > FSFE does not stand for what FSF stands for. [13:19] MinceR the FSF no longer stands for what it used to, either [13:20] oiaohm scientes: also its not purely power draw. Lot of 3.5" drives require 12 volt for the motor as well. Steping that up from 5 volts has not been particularly fun. [13:20] scientes I think I can get a 4GB 2.5" external [13:21] oiaohm Normally I would use a caddy and a NAS grade drive. [13:21] scientes TB* [13:21] oiaohm Some of the prebuild drives are pure crap. [13:21] scientes I only have one port + m.2 [13:21] scientes and I want to keep my m.2 free so I can try to get this FPGA working [13:21] scientes also the external drives are actually cheaper [13:21] oiaohm There are WD where the USB controller is intergrated into the harddrive main board. [13:22] scientes and buying an external drive and removing the drive is actually something people do..... [13:22] oiaohm they don't think why they are cheaper. [13:22] scientes its mainly because of competition [13:22] scientes the volumes are much higher for USB [13:22] scientes unless you are datacenter/OEM [13:23] scientes I hate trying to get propritary software working [13:23] scientes and not having it be any fun [13:23] scientes spending money and having nothing work is no fun [13:23] scientes https://github.com/RHSResearchLLC/NiteFury-and-LiteFury [13:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - RHSResearchLLC/NiteFury-and-LiteFury: Public repository for uEVB [13:23] scientes I have this [13:23] oiaohm scientes: that is not in fact right. [13:23] scientes but I haven't gotten anything working yet [13:24] oiaohm The specifcations the external harddrives are made to are way lower than a NAS drive. [13:25] oiaohm To the point that some external hardrives in prebuilt will grind the disk surface off themselves so making 100 percent zero data recovery. [13:25] scientes yeah that is why I am thinking I should get a bigger SSD [13:25] scientes but it will hold nothing important [13:25] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Plasma 5.21 Bringing Native Fingerprint Manager http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144411 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd20e99d-f532-4eb7-be9b-50a6b99feb7e] [13:25] scientes only this shitty propirtary software and movies [13:25] oiaohm Lot of cases if you cannot see the SSD or harddrive inside you can fairly much better is their worst grade of drive they make. [13:26] oiaohm Prebuild drives you have a horrible risk of it will eat your data basically. [13:26] scientes I haven't had a hard drive fail on me yet [13:26] scientes not a single one [13:26] scientes except for software bugs in MicroShit [13:27] oiaohm I have had 3.5 inch drives fail on me when old that were bought as desktop/NAS. [13:27] MinceR i've had a USB drive case fry a HDD in it [13:27] oiaohm But I have had prebuild external harddrives fail just warnatiy. [13:27] MinceR because it didn't have enough cooling [13:27] MinceR my prebuilt externals behave far better [13:28] oiaohm Yes that happens with the prebuilt as well/ [13:28] MinceR hasn't happened with my WDsyet [13:28] MinceR s/sy/s y/ [13:28] oiaohm Don't think prebuilt cases will have suitable cooling for the drive inside yet. [13:28] MinceR they will, if the manufacturer doesn't want to lose a lot on warranty :> [13:29] oiaohm Out of the 20 WD external prebuilds I have pulled apart only 1 had correct amount of cooling for the drive inside. [13:29] oiaohm That 20 different models. [13:30] oiaohm MinceR: maybe you got lucky and picked one that is right. [13:30] MinceR more like at least 8 [13:30] oiaohm Always in AC? [13:30] oiaohm when in use? [13:30] MinceR what do you mean? [13:30] oiaohm Airconditioned offices [13:30] MinceR i have no AC here [13:31] oiaohm Lot of WD drives if you read the specification sheets they are only rated to work in AC [13:31] oiaohm that the external ones. [13:31] MinceR great [13:31] oiaohm I guess no cooling fan. [13:32] MinceR none of mine have cooling fans [13:32] oiaohm The ones designed for not for AC have a fan. [13:32] MinceR neither did the non-WD case that fried the HDD [13:33] oiaohm That would be another item designed for AC [13:33] oiaohm As in under 28 C room. [13:33] MinceR i had a replaceable drive caddy in my desktop which had a tiny whiny fan, but that fan eventually broke [13:33] oiaohm Preferable under 24C [13:35] oiaohm Annoying to avoid wihine fan equals going up to a NAS case. [13:35] oiaohm So you get a 12cm fan. 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[13:46] schestowitz [13:19] the FSF no longer stands for what it used to, either [13:46] schestowitz That's another issue LOL and it did not fly over my head when I typed iot [13:46] schestowitz I'm not even sure GNU stands for GNU anymore [13:47] schestowitz Seeing GNOME statements and Guix petition [13:47] schestowitz Gnu GNU [13:47] schestowitz the new order [13:47] schestowitz Microsoft Word New Order ● Nov 16 [14:15] *aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [14:32] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: I LOST MY TWITTER ACCOUNT http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144413 [https://pleroma.site/objects/295cb78b-e994-42de-a17b-670a0ab72a17] [14:34] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KSeExpr 4.0.0 Released! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144414 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b3c37d45-23e4-4638-bb5d-f8a4f9a1db85] [14:35] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla Firefox 83 Is Now Available for Download with HTTPS-Only Mode, Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144412 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5d4f0cfd-0994-4ae3-bbf0-b5acc480685c] [14:35] *amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[16:06] schestowitz People #deleteGithub ... quick!!! We gotta do something. No, not that shite we made up about "Arctic vault" when ICE backlash caused chaos. [16:07] scientes schestowitz, that is a real game? [16:07] scientes I thought it was a joke [16:07] scientes well, of course it is a joke [16:07] scientes but a really well-developed joke [16:08] schestowitz the graphics looks ok [16:08] schestowitz the story is right up some people's alley [16:08] scientes World of Goo is a really polished game [16:08] scientes with stellar 2D physics [16:11] DaemonFC[m] Plasma 5.18 LTS seems to be relatively trouble-free for me. [16:12] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Someone was mentioning the HP Spectre, and some Linux distributions are a little cranky on it apparently, but Ubuntu 20.04 LTS works fine on the latest model from what I was told. [16:12] DaemonFC[m] They said Kubuntu had HiDPI issues. I assume they're just the ones I've been running into all along. [16:13] DaemonFC[m] They are pretty trivial to fix. You just have to set it to scale the desktop properly and then resize the panel. [16:13] DaemonFC[m] I do wish they would fix that though with autodetect. [16:13] DaemonFC[m] On a 5 star scale, I'd say 4 stars, just because people see that and go wtf, even though it's quite easy to fix. [16:13] DaemonFC[m] On a FHD display it works just fine out of the box though. [16:14] DaemonFC[m] And those have become the standard quality of display you get on a sub $1,000 laptop and therefore what most people will see Plasma on. [16:14] DaemonFC[m] This laptop was about 4 years ahead of its time in many ways and Lenovo got so many things right with the hardware that most of the newer laptops are just not that compelling. [16:16] DaemonFC[m] To be a fair critic here, Windows 10 actually had more problems with the hardware around the time it launched. The Intel graphics crashed the programs you tried to run quite often, the HiDPI scaling was (maybe still is) a complete joke. [16:16] DaemonFC[m] Like it would work but programs that did not know what it was looked stretched and fuzzy to the point where they actually look better running on Wine. [16:17] DaemonFC[m] If Lenovo wanted a good customer experience, they would have been shipping some sort of Linux distribution on these things all along because the hardware support was so much farther along. [16:18] DaemonFC[m] mjg59mentioned power management sucked, but if you looked at Windows 10 it was actually much worse. [16:18] DaemonFC[m] Especially at idle and it rarely, if ever, got past pc2 or 3, and that was Windows 10, you know. [16:18] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144423 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bc18bb24-9875-41cc-a589-dbdfdf9a8372] [16:18] DaemonFC[m] What it was "designed for", and now Linux gets to pc7 or pc8 quite often, and even then it would get to deeper sleep states than Windows 10 easily. [16:19] DaemonFC[m] At idle, Windows 10 was drawing 11-12 watts and Linux at the same time with GNOME and some power tweaks was hitting 5-6. Now Linux at idle is usually 3-4. [16:20] schestowitz Vista10 is never idle [16:20] schestowitz it's always talking [16:20] DaemonFC[m] They claimed an all day battery with Windows 10, but Windows 10 would last 4-5 hours at best when the battery was brand new. [16:20] DaemonFC[m] Linux was hitting 7-8. [16:20] DaemonFC[m] This is my second battery, and Linux can now get to 9 or maybe 9.5 hours. [16:20] schestowitz when you press the calculator's digit it's talking also [16:21] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, there's always something keeping the CPU from hitting deeper sleep states on Windows, whether that be bugs in Windows or just the spyware keeping something up. [16:21] DaemonFC[m] So Garrett was dishonest as usual and figured nobody would ever fact check. [16:21] DaemonFC[m] It's like listening to President for the next 60 days Trump with his alternative facts, whatever those are. [16:22] DaemonFC[m] It's not just the spurious allegations of you condoning rape. [16:22] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:22] DaemonFC[m] He flat out lied about power management on my particular laptop, rushing to the defense of Microsoft and Lenovo, and if we're very generous we'll just say he was talking out his ass based on assumption and speculation. [16:24] DaemonFC[m] In fact, I mentioned that I was not seeing this "horrible" (compared with Windows 10) power situation once the firmware was fixed and I could run Linux that he was talking about, but Garrett is a very evasive and squirrely person who will run and hide when he's losing and then come out to take pot shots. [16:25] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz They also lie about the Intel mitigation drag. [16:25] DaemonFC[m] It's much worse, collectively, than they admit, in certain situations. [16:27] DaemonFC[m] For example, with the defaults I can only get WavPack to transcode from FLAC at about 2x, but with all of them turned off it's just shy of 6x all of a sudden. [16:27] DaemonFC[m] So I can either get by with a horribly crippled processor or at my own risk. [16:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: openSUSE Board Election 2020 announced http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144424 [https://pleroma.site/objects/645b663a-344f-470d-bd1e-4f6ef96ee8c8] [16:30] schestowitz [16:21] So Garrett was dishonest as usual and figured nobody would ever fact check. [16:31] schestowitz I don't view Garrett as much [16:31] schestowitz he's good at hacking and undermining security, apparently [16:31] schestowitz but that says little or nothing about software freedom, science, honesty etc. [16:31] schestowitz in fact, if you were to ask me, the sort of ommunity he's in has been full of perverts and "Crims" [16:32] schestowitz people who break things for "shits and giggles" [16:32] scientes he is just a SJW [16:32] scientes but not a bad person [16:32] schestowitz he can be bad if he targets you [16:32] schestowitz for "shits and giggles" [16:32] scientes well yes [16:33] schestowitz "fart fart fart" [16:33] schestowitz see some of his tweets [16:33] scientes like believing in MS and security-for-us boot [16:33] schestowitz even worse I've seen [16:33] schestowitz lots of security pretense is imperialistic [16:33] schestowitz posers basically [16:33] scientes EFI has been a massive blow for software freedom [16:33] schestowitz mjg59 participates in all that posting at times [16:33] scientes and no x86 systems boot without signed firmware these days [16:34] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Microsoft's security was so bad that I figured out how to takeover MSN chat rooms when I was like 14, right? [16:34] schestowitz as if giving keys to someone else will save us from mythical rootkits and bootkits [16:34] schestowitz people are more likely to be attacked on other surfaces/vectors [16:34] DaemonFC[m] Tossed everyone out of the Computer Help room and made myself the HOST (owner). [16:34] scientes (which was Intel's plan) [16:34] schestowitz no need to boot some shit on Windows [16:34] scientes EFI was Intel's plan to steal the platform from Windows [16:34] schestowitz you just sent them rogue Windows Update or email with executable [16:34] DaemonFC[m] I gave it back eventually after making them say please. [16:34] scientes by putting their own OS under Windows [16:34] schestowitz or use the latest microsoft 0-day [16:34] schestowitz unpatched at the NSA's request [16:35] schestowitz so he participates in what Torvbalds called "masturbating monkets" [16:35] DaemonFC[m] I plan to either get a Pixelbook or a System76 laptop eventually probably. [16:35] scientes and EFI is also why x86 computers boot so damn slow [16:35] schestowitz bragging about things that the ordinary person does not and won't benefit from [16:35] schestowitz BTW [16:35] DaemonFC[m] I can no longer be bothered with substandard software that doesn't work right, or ever, and that definitely rules out Windows. [16:35] schestowitz Torvalds hates him [16:35] scientes because Torvalds is sane [16:35] DaemonFC[m] And uEFI is the most poorly written mess I've ever seen. [16:35] schestowitz look at some of their exchanges in lkml [16:36] schestowitz afaik, Torvalds is OK with me [16:36] DaemonFC[m] It makes the legacy BIOS look fucking perfect in comparison. [16:36] schestowitz never told me something rude directly or indirectly [16:36] schestowitz but he works for LF [16:36] scientes he is naevely stupid about software freedom [16:36] scientes but sane [16:36] schestowitz so he needs to be careful what he says [16:36] schestowitz [16:35] I plan to either get a Pixelbook or a System76 laptop eventually probably. [16:36] schestowitz those are overpriced [16:37] scientes the GPL2-GPL3 split is very poisonous to solidarity [16:37] scientes pushes lots of hackers to permissive licenses [16:37] schestowitz but sure, they at least support gnu/linux on practice [16:37] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: You get what you pay for really, with hardware. [16:37] DaemonFC[m] Most stuff intended for retail under $1,000 just doesn't hold up. [16:37] schestowitz you could buy refurbished and wipe [16:37] schestowitz so the "tax" was paid by someone else [16:37] scientes just get a thinkpad [16:37] schestowitz even more pricey [16:38] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Yes, that's certainly an option. Scratch and dent stuff from Amazon is often 20-25% off. [16:38] DaemonFC[m] You can score a $1,300 laptop under $1,000 for sure and it's never even been used. [16:38] scientes yeah but thinkpads are actually designed for spilling water on the keyboard [16:38] schestowitz still overpriced [16:38] schestowitz no laptop is worth that much [16:38] scientes I only buy them used [16:38] schestowitz you could buy 5 for that price [16:38] schestowitz then group them [16:38] scientes if you are in SF the used laptop market is excellent [16:38] schestowitz electron kills em [16:39] schestowitz no 32 gb of ram? TRASH! [16:39] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Well, it's like this really.... You can go 5 years and buy three pieces of junk that go on the fritz and nobody stands behind it. [16:39] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [16:39] scientes hahahahahahaha [16:39] scientes elecTRON [16:39] DaemonFC[m] Or you can just buy one quality product and end up shelling out less to begin with, and no disruptions. [16:39] schestowitz ErecTON [16:39] scientes hahahahaa [16:39] scientes supposedly spaceX is "pwoered" by chromium [16:40] schestowitz tabs that take up 1gb of ram [16:40] DaemonFC[m] I'm just not sure about those $479 laptops at Walmart. The hardware looks fine mostly. [16:40] schestowitz and are NOT a virtual desktop running kde plasma5 [16:40] scientes e17 is actually quite good [16:40] DaemonFC[m] But what corners did they cut to get there? Is there a shoddy battery, a keyboard that will break, a screen that will short out? [16:40] scientes Tizon switched to e17 before folding [16:40] scientes they also developed systemd --user [16:40] schestowitz *Tizen [16:40] DaemonFC[m] You don't get to <$500 without sacrificing something. [16:40] schestowitz I think it's not dead [16:40] schestowitz not officially anyway [16:41] schestowitz some people still use it [16:41] schestowitz I think in developing markets [16:41] schestowitz their lack of software is a barrier [16:41] DaemonFC[m] They can get away with it on phones because those ARM boards are cheap as heell and reasonably performant and Android has gotten better, [16:41] scientes yeah, but pinephone is the only thing with momentum anymore [16:41] schestowitz we used to support the tizen infra [16:41] scientes sailfishOS could have had the momentum if they had better PR [16:41] schestowitz we still get domain registration reminders [16:41] scientes pinephone bugs are doing great [16:41] scientes I get mine soon [16:41] DaemonFC[m] Also, there's not as much actual hardware there, so no keyboard, one physical port, etc. [16:41] scientes I just love their community involvement [16:42] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: But something pissed me off yesterday. [16:42] schestowitz Trump's g/f? [16:42] DaemonFC[m] I was in Walmart using my photo gallery and this thing popped up over the app asking me to back up my photos on OneDrive, which I had disabled. [16:42] schestowitz OneDrive, one Nation [16:42] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft is determined as hell to pester you on Android even if you've removed or disabled their shitty apps. [16:43] schestowitz One World, One Web, One Program. [16:43] schestowitz - Ad for Internet Explorer [16:43] schestowitz Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fhrer. [16:43] schestowitz - Adolf Hitler [16:43] DaemonFC[m] They're even baked into the firmware in some places on Samsung, like a button to "Connect to Windows.". [16:43] schestowitz they put those "apps" there using patent blackmail [16:43] schestowitz to "settle" [16:43] DaemonFC[m] Which is funny because I'm using KDE Connect on it and I can take control of my laptop for the most part with that. [16:43] DaemonFC[m] And beam things back and forth just fine. [16:43] schestowitz They sued Samsung in 2015 [16:43] schestowitz The 'new' Microsoft [16:43] schestowitz nadella [16:44] schestowitz Around the time they said they "love Linux" [16:44] schestowitz they sued Samsung [16:44] schestowitz Don't tell SJVN [16:44] DaemonFC[m] The Best Buy guy said "Oh you can disable or remove almost all of that.". [16:44] schestowitz He'll go on a rant saying the victim is nasty [16:44] schestowitz something "about Trump" [16:44] schestowitz so it's OK for Microsoft to assault Linux [16:44] schestowitz Because "trump something" [16:44] DaemonFC[m] He wasn't lying. Hell, maybe Microsoft is the reason that the Galaxy S20 FE was $100 cheaper than the Pixel 4a 5G. [16:44] DaemonFC[m] Bribery you know. [16:45] DaemonFC[m] Pay them to barrage you with junk. [16:45] schestowitz preloads [16:45] schestowitz Microsoft even sold S phones [16:45] schestowitz with Windows and "Cloud" junk [16:45] schestowitz didn't go well [16:45] schestowitz but they try to dominate Android [16:45] schestowitz Through "apps" [16:45] schestowitz Microsoft loves everything [16:45] schestowitz esp. when they "wrest control" [16:45] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/java-schism-to-wrest-control/ [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Historys Lesson: Microsoft Now Does to GNU/Linux What It Did to Java (Creating Schism to Wrest Control) | Techrights [16:47] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, "dominate". It's a good word. In the sense that Trump tried "dominating" the debate. [16:47] DaemonFC[m] Nothing important. Just interruptions and aggravations to show that he was going to troll the entire thing. [16:48] schestowitz https://www.ghacks.net/2020/11/16/dont-activate-the-lets-go-button-in-the-windows-10-settings-application/ [16:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Don't activate the "Let's Go" button in the Windows 10 Settings application - gHacks Tech News [16:48] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: Gates "dominates" the covid debate [16:48] schestowitz look at the media [16:48] schestowitz Bill Gates thinks [16:48] schestowitz Bill Gates plans [16:48] schestowitz Bill Gates says [16:48] XRevan86 scientes: https://youtu.be/TO6QwGOoYbs [16:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ! - YouTube [16:48] schestowitz Bill Gates ponders [16:49] schestowitz Bill Gates predicts [16:49] schestowitz Bill Gates didn't finish college [16:49] schestowitz Bill Gates is no computer scientist [16:49] schestowitz Bill Gates is no medical pro [16:49] schestowitz Bill Gates isn't without criminal record :-) [16:49] schestowitz but money! [16:49] schestowitz what did bill invest? [16:49] schestowitz money [16:49] schestowitz oh wait [16:49] schestowitz no [16:49] schestowitz that's what his grandparents did [16:50] schestowitz and his parents were already rich anyway [16:50] schestowitz :-D [16:50] schestowitz But he dominates [16:50] schestowitz Microsoft dominates [16:50] schestowitz Bill's mom dominated the IBM Board [16:50] scientes XRevan86, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [16:50] schestowitz so they gave failing bill (already failing companies) a contract [16:51] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: did you see headline about android/google and gates? [16:51] schestowitz he blames the "government" for android domination [16:51] schestowitz the government [16:51] schestowitz like those vets who shout in the streets [16:51] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft is trying to push itself as a "premium" product, like you buy a laptop that's sky high expensive and you do get great hardware, but unfortunately it comes with this complete mess, Windows 10. [16:51] schestowitz "big government" [16:51] schestowitz because antitrust action sought to enforce the law, belatedly [16:52] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: premium cocaine [16:52] DaemonFC[m] Even without all of the bloatware from OEMs (which is part of the retail price you pay even if you do nuke it and run Linux), Windows 10 is too unreliable and foul tempered to try to use for any period of time. [16:52] schestowitz best of the best, puts you to sleep [16:52] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: someone from Microsoft told me he needs to reboot every week [16:53] schestowitz because like 16-32gb of ram is not enough [16:53] schestowitz it adds up [16:53] schestowitz leaks and stuff [16:53] schestowitz memory running low [16:53] schestowitz so must reboot [16:53] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Well, I'd say if the Spectre is a wipe and put Linux on it solution and the Surface needs its own fucking kernel.... [16:53] schestowitz I've not reboot this laptop in 110 days now [16:53] DaemonFC[m] Why would people be doing the Surface and not the HP Spectre for a wipe and install job? [16:54] schestowitz brb, gonna post Daily Links [16:54] DaemonFC[m] I mean, if you need a "surface-Linux" kernel package that should raise alarm bells. it means those drivers are not even good enough to be in -staging, which most distributions build out of anyway. [16:54] DaemonFC[m] So you're unlikely to have a good time with it, right? [16:55] DaemonFC[m] I'm fine with -staging drivers that definitely have a future and that's why they're in there right now. [16:55] DaemonFC[m] But surface-linux kernels that people can just walk away from? One a $1,600 laptop? Nope. [16:55] DaemonFC[m] *on [16:56] psydroid I don't know why anyone would buy those expensive unfixable Surface devices that are designed to run only Windows and then try to put Linux on them [16:56] DaemonFC[m] I mean, you can, but why would you? [16:56] DaemonFC[m] It's not the best hardware, certainly not at the best price for what you're getting, and it needs out of tree drivers that could do anything. [16:56] psydroid if anything people should steer clear of them and let that become another failed Microsoft experiment [16:57] DaemonFC[m] I wouldn't buy a laptop without at least 16 GB of RAM. [16:57] scientes psydroid, same for jailbreaking iPhones [16:58] DaemonFC[m] That's my red line right there, not because I am used to running laptops out of RAM, but because 10% of the time I use the laptop I exceed 8 GB of RAM and I don't want to occasionally walk into a problem. [16:58] DaemonFC[m] I think 16 GB should be the floor right now. I really do. [16:59] DaemonFC[m] 16 GB is a "never worry about it" amount of RAM for me and so I'll buy it expecting to rarely use all of it, and if I don't that's fine. The remainder isn't wasted. It's a disk cache. [16:59] DaemonFC[m] The idea of Windows devices with 8 GB or 4 GB is comical. [16:59] psydroid I am on a Zbook Studio G3 that I could just not get Linux on for the first 6 months due to UEFI bugs, but after that I upgraded the RAM to 32 GB and put another SSD in so I could go back to being productive without having to run everything in a Linux VM because I just don't trust MS at all to do anything in an acceptable way ● Nov 16 [17:00] psydroid I was so relieved because the MS POS would still crash several times a week while running only Virtualbox with my Linux VM [17:00] DaemonFC[m] I would maybe go as low as 8 on a Chromebook. [17:01] DaemonFC[m] And the reason, of course, is that zram setup they have, which is brilliant. [17:01] DaemonFC[m] It's pleasant to use at 4 GB so I think even with lots of Linux apps running 8 would be enough for the life of the computer. [17:03] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144425 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e7a95c41-731d-4639-9662-2a9207122944] [17:03] scientes working in a VM is torture [17:03] scientes I've done it [17:03] DaemonFC[m] They really throw a lot of software tricks into optimizing Chromebooks for low RAM. [17:03] DaemonFC[m] Helps get the prices down and the user probably won't notice. [17:04] DaemonFC[m] But Windows 10, and everyone who buys a Windows 10 S device for those prices, only lives to regret it. [17:04] DaemonFC[m] They say even with 4 GB it's slow and terrible. [17:06] MinceR 16 173214 < scientes> he is just a SJW [17:06] MinceR 16 173220 < scientes> but not a bad person [17:06] MinceR contradiction in terms [17:09] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [17:10] psydroid my Windows 10 VM with 4 cores and 12 GB of RAM (which I needed for ModelSim recently) is still slow and I only expect things to get worse to the point that you would need to buy more and more powerful systems to keep that monster running at acceptable speed [17:10] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144426 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d4433598-e0d6-48eb-b632-ca39b391f9f5] [17:11] psydroid Chromebooks are selling better and better these days and with Lenovo's movement towards Linux preloads it looks like hardware vendors are growing wary of MS and Windows too [17:12] schestowitz [17:06] contradiction in terms [17:12] schestowitz he made American Great Again [17:12] schestowitz by untaxing the rich [17:12] schestowitz who were already largely untaxed [17:12] schestowitz SJW = fake populism [17:13] schestowitz often leveraged by the most privileged people [17:13] schestowitz not the ones who riot and actually scare the crap out of the rich [17:13] schestowitz and cause them to >actually< make some concessions in exchange for peace/calm/biz as usual [17:13] schestowitz fake population = we'll take away words [17:13] MinceR SJW = trendy bigotry [17:14] schestowitz done [17:14] schestowitz no bad words [17:14] schestowitz go back to work, lads [17:14] schestowitz (and gals... not many of you... except in our marketing brochure) [17:14] schestowitz (in the "Diversity" and "Recruitment" section) [17:14] schestowitz For the PR "checklist" [17:14] MinceR did you just assume their genders? [17:15] schestowitz these days you can't even name gender and pronouns [17:15] DaemonFC[m] Reverse racism is just racism. [17:15] schestowitz you might accidentally offend someone [17:15] DaemonFC[m] It still fosters resentment, and that's part of why Trump got elected. [17:16] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/New_buffer_2:2 [17:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New buffer 2:2 - Techrights [17:16] schestowitz "Newspeak contains no negative terms. For example, the only way to express the meaning of 'bad' is through the word 'ungood.' Something extremely bad is called 'doubleplus ungood.'" " [17:16] schestowitz We need ungendered language with no negative works [17:16] DaemonFC[m] I guess Biden will try to unwind the decisions to give white and black people equal access to higher education if they have equal test scores. [17:16] schestowitz "not good" would be as negative as it gets ;-) [17:17] DaemonFC[m] Of course Garrett is one of those pussies who says that they make the tests impossible for black people, which is racist because he would then be asserting that black people are incapable of studying for a test and that the standard should be lowered for them. [17:17] DaemonFC[m] Which is how we got here in the first place. [17:18] schestowitz Trump is 'doubleplus ungood.' [17:18] DaemonFC[m] When you ask them an example of a racist SAT question, they go "Well, how the fuck is a black person supposed to know the meaning of that word?" and they say a word and I'm like "I don't fucking know that word! I need 'affirmative action' apparently. Who knew?'". [17:19] schestowitz customising tests and standards for different groups is not helping [17:19] schestowitz because the customisation process itself make offensive presumptions [17:19] DaemonFC[m] But their question implies that black people are dumber than white people and the test needs to be watered down. [17:19] schestowitz if you lower the bar in recruitment of women... [17:19] schestowitz what does that say? [17:19] schestowitz about you and the company? [17:19] schestowitz that you presume women are less abled thinkers [17:19] DaemonFC[m] Even though I'm white and you get me in there and I wouldn't get that question right either, and you know, totally because I'm black oh wait I'm not. :/ [17:19] schestowitz women aren't stupid and they can see this [17:20] schestowitz it offends and can cause resentment [17:20] vZS1 Don't forget about swap space. It comes in handy when you want to compile things but don't have enough RAM. [17:20] schestowitz if you're a disabled athletes you know your limitations [17:20] schestowitz and they are visible [17:20] schestowitz for women, nothing is visible [17:20] DaemonFC[m] English is littered with words that almost nobody uses. [17:21] vZS1 I'm actually thinking of plugging in a USB stick into my Pi as dedicated swap space module. Should help when RAM gets scarce [17:21] DaemonFC[m] Not even the people that make these tests use those words. [17:21] schestowitz and balancing the scales artificially means you subscribe into the theory of "lesser women brains" [17:21] DaemonFC[m] It's elitism and pretty much nothing else. [17:21] CrystalMath schestowitz: i've seen Red Hat employees actually insist that they're woke for saying that women are unable to take criticism [17:21] CrystalMath seriously [17:21] schestowitz vZS1: he doesn't compile anything [17:21] schestowitz just posting [17:22] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [17:22] CrystalMath this was on some reddit IBM "AMA" [17:22] schestowitz listening to some Pet Shop Boys, using IRC, Web browser [17:22] DaemonFC[m] Women can't stand criticism and black people and women are stupid. See how progressive I am? [17:22] DaemonFC[m] Give me a job at Red Hat. [17:22] schestowitz says he's buy no laptop with <16gb of ram [17:22] vZS1 Every for running daemons, it's a bit slow but at least you can operate. [17:23] schestowitz Red Hat employs few women [17:23] schestowitz they allocate them to non-tech roles [17:23] DaemonFC[m] Even Elon Musk doesn't have a hard requirement for any sort of college degree. [17:23] schestowitz and they boast selectively about those depts [17:23] DaemonFC[m] Said so, anyway. [17:23] schestowitz like marketing [17:23] DaemonFC[m] So much of what college has turned into are years and years of things that make absolutely no sense in the real world just to run up the meter. [17:23] schestowitz this also means women a red aht get the low-paying jobs [17:24] schestowitz but they don't like to measure those things [17:24] DaemonFC[m] You know? Like a quarter of your studies now are just absolute bullshit designed to run up the bill. [17:24] schestowitz makes IBM look bad and dishonest [17:24] schestowitz imagine testosterone-run companies employing lots of female maids, paying them barely minimum wage [17:24] DaemonFC[m] If they can soak every person that goes there, to a state college, for another $20,000, that turns into real money. [17:24] DaemonFC[m] So that's what they do. [17:25] DaemonFC[m] That's why it's gotten completely out of control and the only way to win is to not play. [17:25] schestowitz [17:23] Even Elon Musk doesn't have a hard requirement for any sort of college degree. [17:25] schestowitz Liar and frraud [17:25] schestowitz like Larrison [17:25] DaemonFC[m] It's also why our country is breaking down and is top heavy with idiots who can't get a job. [17:26] schestowitz *keep [17:26] schestowitz that's different [17:26] schestowitz oppressibe work environments shock people [17:26] schestowitz some would rather be poor [17:26] DaemonFC[m] You know what makes me think "Progressive"? A company full of white men pontificating about how dumb and incapable those women and blacks are. [17:26] DaemonFC[m] (Red Hat) [17:26] schestowitz than oppressed [17:26] DaemonFC[m] Then they go into the next stage of Progressive Politics. [17:26] schestowitz like, in Europe many work strictly 9-5 [17:26] schestowitz health coverage, leave etc. [17:26] DaemonFC[m] "But it's not their fault they're stupid. They must be abled in some way!" [17:26] schestowitz and hard to fire them [17:26] DaemonFC[m] "Perhaps we can have quotas!" [17:26] schestowitz like in Norway [17:27] DaemonFC[m] You want to fix the fucking problem, you have to get rid of these administrators and student loan companies who are bilking people just for a chance. [17:27] DaemonFC[m] You know? [17:28] DaemonFC[m] Quotas and condescension are never going to fix this. [17:28] DaemonFC[m] And that's really what mjg59 is doing. That's what he stands for. [17:29] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 16/11/2020: OpenSUSE Board Election, MidnightBSD 2.0, LabPlot 2.8.1 http://techrights.org/2020/11/16/midnightbsd-2-0/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/efd02349-8c4e-415d-a034-c89813e331b4] [17:29] DaemonFC[m] It's bad enough that the average 4 year college education is now $60,000, but that's at 6% interest too, and it starts accruing, deferred, when the first payment goes out and you won't even be paying on it for years. [17:30] DaemonFC[m] So first, you get rid of the bureaucracy that is adding unnecessary cost and then you get rid of interest, or only charge an amount equal to inflation. [17:31] DaemonFC[m] It's also not helping that these colleges are showing preference to foreigners who they can bill more, who just take our skills and use them to compete with us. [17:31] DaemonFC[m] This foreign student thing was another one of Maricel's fucking ideas. [17:31] DaemonFC[m] And I put an end to that, right quick, believe you me. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] She's probably still over there ready to have an infarction over what I did to her "plans". Then she thought she could start the whole process over with Mandy's brother and use him as a house slave. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] But the last thing I did on Facebook before I deleted my account was warn the guy what she did to Mandy and then he never even tried to come over here. [17:34] DaemonFC[m] These people who think very highly of themselves because they have a college degree never think anyone "lesser" than them will think more strategically, schestowitz [17:35] schestowitz I mostly agree with the latter thoughts [17:35] schestowitz I disagree with most of what you said about women [17:35] schestowitz myself and another admin think you overuse your gayness [17:35] schestowitz to abuse and bash women [17:35] schestowitz but about college scans I agree [17:35] DaemonFC[m] The reason I'm still here after last year was because I got into the mindset of "This is war and I'm outgunned and surrounded and, what do I do?". [17:35] schestowitz those are the fiscal aspects of scams [17:36] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I don't think women and black people are stupid, I was saying Red Hat does. [17:36] scientes schestowitz, if they only lived on-site then it would have some resiliance [17:36] DaemonFC[m] And so does mjg59. [17:36] schestowitz and sometimes diversity is used to amplify the scope and breath of scams [17:36] scientes but they removed many of the railroads in Europe [17:36] schestowitz like patent litigation [17:36] schestowitz as in, "We need more woman in patents" [17:36] scientes "American dream" [17:36] schestowitz means, "let's give women lots of patents" [17:36] schestowitz more litigation [17:36] DaemonFC[m] And instead of talking about the real problems they talk of schemes to put people who may well not be qualified, in power. [17:36] schestowitz or more women lawyers, more lawsuits [17:36] DaemonFC[m] Like Carly Fiorina. [17:36] schestowitz it's not about women at all [17:36] schestowitz it's about overcrowding courts [17:36] DaemonFC[m] Maybe Red Hat can hire her. She's got lady parts. [17:37] schestowitz military wants blacks [17:37] schestowitz more cannon fodder [17:37] schestowitz even less accountable to them [17:37] schestowitz their families are poorer [17:37] scientes with all the border closures it is as if the EU doesn't exist [17:37] scientes that is a big blow to the patent scams [17:37] scientes beurocratic hell [17:37] scientes and also beurocratic attention-getting [17:37] schestowitz [17:36] And instead of talking about the real problems they talk of schemes to put people who may well not be qualified, in power. [17:38] schestowitz Zemlin [17:38] schestowitz https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2017/196/Interview-Meet-Jim-Zemlin [17:38] schestowitz "JZ: When Covalent Technologies ended up being acquired by VMware, I kind of started having a midlife crisis. At that time I thought of becoming a chef, a professional rock climber " [17:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | Interview Meet Jim Zemlin Linux Magazine [17:38] DaemonFC[m] Black and brown people. [17:38] schestowitz then he became the boss of someone who ACTUALLY accomplished something [17:38] DaemonFC[m] There's no downside to war when it's not middle class whites being drafted. [17:38] schestowitz and wiped Ballmer's arse to keep his job there [17:38] DaemonFC[m] Nixon said it. [17:39] scientes Linux Magazine: Can you tell us a bit about your childhood and your exposure to computers? What kind of technical background do you have? [17:39] scientes Jim Zemlin: I have a very weak technical background. [17:39] scientes hahahahahahaha [17:39] schestowitz yeah [17:39] schestowitz that too [17:39] schestowitz I quoted it before [17:39] schestowitz he speaks of his grandpa [17:39] schestowitz go reseach Cray [17:39] scientes whatever [17:39] schestowitz his grandpa is never mentioned [17:39] schestowitz overambitious claim [17:40] schestowitz maybe he was "friends" with the founder, and that's about all there was to it [17:40] schestowitz Zemlin is a big phat phony [17:40] scientes > JZ: When Covalent Technologies ended up being acquired by VMware, I kind of started having a midlife crisis. At that time I thought of becoming a chef, a professional rock climber But I really got intrigued by the open source community. I got involved with the idea of creating a standardized way to run applications across the variety of different Linux distributions. That was sort of a response to fragmentation in Unix. That led me t [17:40] scientes o working on the Linux Foundation by essentially consolidating a lot of different open source organizations into what the modern Linux Foundation is. [17:40] scientes but this is fine [17:40] scientes PR doesn't require technical excellence [17:40] scientes it doesn't have to be LWN [17:40] schestowitz it becomes politics [17:40] schestowitz corporate politics [17:40] schestowitz money-raising [17:40] schestowitz "yes, please" [17:40] schestowitz Microsoft? YUS!! [17:40] schestowitz Gimme [17:41] scientes well yeah that is problematic [17:41] schestowitz "OK, we'll put that project in ShitHub" [17:41] scientes so I guess you are right [17:41] schestowitz "YUS, MOAR $" [17:41] schestowitz "I'm so good at this!" [17:41] schestowitz techrights.org/2020/08/16/the-linux-racket/ [17:41] schestowitz http:/techrights.org/2020/08/16/the-linux-racket/ [17:41] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/the-linux-racket/ [17:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Exceeds $100,000,000 in Revenue and Jim Zemlin Now Pays Himself About a Million Dollars a Year While His Foundation Operates at a Loss of $732,261 | Techrights [17:41] scientes when it compromised the community philosophy [17:41] schestowitz when mozilla decides you don't need http anymore [17:41] scientes but I am not sure it is doing that [17:41] schestowitz and 'helps' you by culling it [17:41] scientes Linux Foundation is basically where projects go that have no maintainer [17:42] scientes including Linux itsself [17:42] schestowitz "open source has won" -> http has won [17:42] schestowitz monopoly has won [17:42] schestowitz GAFAMazon [17:42] schestowitz GitHubZone [17:42] scientes Torvalds ended up with LF because he didn't want to seem biased to any company [17:42] schestowitz showing people "http" might make them think there MIGHT be an alternative ;0-) [17:42] schestowitz like IPFS [17:42] scientes and then Grek Kroah-Hartman, that does the work of 10 people, ended up in LF cause he can get more work done without a boss [17:42] schestowitz Grek [17:43] schestowitz sounds like a burp [17:43] schestowitz or a grunt [17:43] DaemonFC[m] My mom asked what those 4 extra numbers are past a ZIP code. I had to explain what ZIP +4 are and that it's not new. [17:44] DaemonFC[m] It gets your mail there a bit faster with less sorting and so it reduces the chance of a misdelivered letter or package. [17:44] schestowitz checksum [17:44] DaemonFC[m] But most people have no idea what they are. They never caught on because they're unique to a particular house or building or floor of a building. [17:44] schestowitz dejoy, oh joy [17:44] schestowitz two weeks to deliver a ballot [17:44] DaemonFC[m] With PO Boxes it's easy, usually. [17:45] DaemonFC[m] Most likely the last digits of a PO Box or the last 4 digits, but you can look up any address on the post office website. [17:45] DaemonFC[m] Like for mine, you use 1084 because it's box 1084. [17:46] DaemonFC[m] But with the apartment I live in, all of the ones on the first floor and even numbers have the same code. [17:46] DaemonFC[m] They broke it up into first and second floor for the first 2 and evens and odds for the last 2. [17:46] DaemonFC[m] So most people don't even try to figure it out or mess with it. [17:54] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144427 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c03718fe-d822-4e46-a439-a50c06372d5e] [17:55] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: but they know how to vote Trump [17:56] schestowitz to 'own the libs' [17:57] MinceR (cat) https://i.imgur.com/qk9cofR.jpg ● Nov 16 [18:00] schestowitz he shot 'er [18:00] schestowitz mfer! [18:13] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: MidnightBSD 2.0 Released: A FreeBSD-Derived OS For Desktop Users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144396#comment-27157 [https://pleroma.site/objects/05ea11fe-fa67-47c9-9b23-c8a152c9a970] [18:14] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/699537.jpg [18:17] schestowitz it did get worse over time [18:17] schestowitz the logo staff needs to be kept busy [18:17] schestowitz somehow [18:18] schestowitz google is paying [18:18] schestowitz the "ux" team is busy removing "xu" (xul [18:18] schestowitz because "ux" [18:18] schestowitz "for the user" [18:18] MinceR :> [18:18] schestowitz "XUL" is "confusing" [18:18] schestowitz btw [18:19] schestowitz they did rename ux [18:19] schestowitz days ago [18:19] schestowitz wait, let me find it [18:19] schestowitz https://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2020/11/were-changing-our-name-to-content-design/ [18:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Were Changing Our Name to ContentDesign Firefox UX [18:19] schestowitz "CONTENT design" [18:20] schestowitz "content" [18:20] schestowitz we have "content" [18:20] schestowitz to generate [18:20] schestowitz and the "consume" [18:20] schestowitz *then [18:20] schestowitz they hire from Microsoft [18:20] schestowitz for "HEY HI" [18:20] schestowitz techrights.org/2020/06/22/mozilla-board/ [18:20] schestowitz http:/techrights.org/2020/06/22/mozilla-board/ [18:21] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/mozilla-board/ [18:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Hires From Microsoft for Mozillas Board | Techrights [18:21] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/mozilla-board/ [18:21] schestowitz firefox "ux" [18:21] schestowitz removing http:// for me [18:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: for; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http:// for ) [18:21] schestowitz because they lost to Chrome because "not enougn HEY HI" [18:21] MinceR lol @ content [18:21] schestowitz Now they hire "ALL THE HEY HI'S" [18:21] schestowitz from MICROSOFT :-) [18:21] schestowitz Mozilla back on track now [18:21] schestowitz with their new HEY HI talent inflow [18:21] schestowitz from Microsoft [18:22] schestowitz diversity will save firefox [18:22] schestowitz and BLM also [18:22] schestowitz because BLM is all about browsers [18:22] schestowitz people committed arson [18:22] schestowitz to show flaming foxes [18:22] schestowitz and "spread Firefox" [18:22] schestowitz They literally put "BLM" in new Firefox tabs [18:22] schestowitz for everyone [18:22] MinceR browser lives matter? [18:22] schestowitz I could not see how it was remotely connected or even necessary [18:23] schestowitz and that's where it hit me... and when I realise Mozilla is dead [18:23] schestowitz and thinks those social causes will help a defunct UX without XUL [18:23] schestowitz a a browser with no useful extensions anymore [18:23] schestowitz Because "YOU AYE [18:23] schestowitz Sorry [18:23] schestowitz "CONTENT design" [18:23] schestowitz I am staying with Firefox after 16 years [18:23] schestowitz for all the "CONTENT design" [18:24] schestowitz whatever that bloody means [18:24] schestowitz "CONTENT design" [18:24] schestowitz They redesign the pages they renders? [18:24] schestowitz *render [18:24] schestowitz if not, design of what? [18:24] schestowitz They already removed a proper menu [18:24] schestowitz put a hamburger menu [18:24] schestowitz now it doesn't even cascade tight [18:25] schestowitz you cannot see level 1 item when you enter level 2 [18:25] schestowitz but [18:25] schestowitz it ANIMATED [18:25] schestowitz it ANIMATES [18:25] schestowitz the menu is useless and animated [18:25] schestowitz like the SLAB menu in KDE [18:25] schestowitz made by/for SUSE [18:25] schestowitz "CONTENT design" [18:25] schestowitz I guess that's what it means [18:25] schestowitz menus in motion [18:25] schestowitz with a burger instead of a menu [18:25] schestowitz because mobile [18:26] schestowitz the desktop is like mobile you pinch... that's :-) "CONTENT design" ..! Badabum! :-) [18:26] schestowitz heh https://www.makeuseof.com/difference-between-ui-and-ux-design/ [18:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What Is the Difference Between UI and UX Design? | MakeUseOf [18:26] schestowitz just not in my RSS feeds [18:26] schestowitz secs ago [18:27] schestowitz two overhyped buzzwords [18:27] schestowitz from people who spell experience "Xperience" [18:27] schestowitz for the X factor [18:30] *psydread has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:32] vZS1 Btw [18:32] vZS1 It's not a coincidence a lot of things look life mobile [18:33] schestowitz it's cheaper [18:33] schestowitz to develop [18:33] vZS1 Cross-platform front end frameworks [18:33] schestowitz one product, let the desktop users struggle and lose worklow advantage [18:33] vZS1 Means they hire less people [18:33] schestowitz also fewer options to develop and debug [18:33] schestowitz because "UX" (it means, users are dumb, take away features from them!) [18:33] vZS1 Aggressive cost cutting [18:34] schestowitz yup [18:34] vZS1 I noticed my main bank do this [18:34] schestowitz and outsourcing too while at it [18:34] schestowitz bank 'apps' [18:34] vZS1 The desktop website is terrible [18:34] schestowitz based on shared frameowkr [18:34] schestowitz "add logo here" [18:34] vZS1 It used to be really good [18:34] schestowitz they get worse [18:34] schestowitz and it's "cloud" [18:34] schestowitz so you don't get to reject "upgrades" [18:34] schestowitz same with MyHermes [18:35] schestowitz and many sites that do commerce [18:35] vZS1 Now it's perishing because of the mobile focus [18:35] schestowitz the GUIs change in corrosive ways [18:35] schestowitz but it's not for you, it's for them [18:35] vZS1 That's pretty much the point [18:35] schestowitz Techrights never did "mobile-friendly" [18:35] schestowitz let me show you a visual example [18:36] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/07/05/dumber-is-better/ [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Technological Progress? Only If We Assume The Wrong Things | Techrights [18:36] schestowitz it's visual, take a lool [18:36] schestowitz *look [18:36] schestowitz and lol later [18:36] schestowitz Watch EFF site [18:36] schestowitz the example in the middle [18:36] schestowitz you could get lots of navigation and info before [18:37] schestowitz now it's as useless as a 5-inch mobile screen, the width of a few fat fingers [18:37] schestowitz this is leading to Web fatigue [18:37] schestowitz we need to create alternatives [18:37] schestowitz no JS and bloat [18:37] vZS1 I had a read [18:37] schestowitz just signal and good use of screen space [18:38] vZS1 Sums it up pretty well [18:38] schestowitz thanks [18:39] *tr_guest|80010 (519aad70@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.81.154.173.112) has joined #techrights [18:40] vZS1 I've also noticed that a lot of stuff spams Dbus now [18:41] vZS1 You get notifications on desktop [18:41] vZS1 Which is strange [18:41] vZS1 I never asked for any of that [18:41] vZS1 Need to turn that off. Just remembered. [18:43] schestowitz like which ones...? [18:43] schestowitz They've existed for a while [18:43] schestowitz for some just don't permit adding them [18:44] schestowitz I code my own notifications [18:44] schestowitz for my own needs [18:44] schestowitz knotify with arguments [18:44] vZS1 awesome wm [18:44] schestowitz can you not disable/block them? [18:44] vZS1 I think I can [18:45] vZS1 Just need to check the config file [18:45] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [18:45] schestowitz sometimes notifications can cause you to click on the wrong thing [18:45] vZS1 Yep [18:45] schestowitz it's that symptom of guis that change under your finger [18:45] vZS1 Chrome is the main culprit [18:45] vZS1 I'll just mute all chrome notifications [18:45] schestowitz you got infected with chrome? [18:45] schestowitz I can find you a howto on how to remove it [18:46] vZS1 I have all the browsers [18:46] schestowitz most browsers are malware [18:46] schestowitz proprietary, too [18:46] vZS1 Yeah [18:46] schestowitz so installing all of them is a Bad Idea [18:46] schestowitz for Edge you might even add Microsoft PPA [18:46] vZS1 I don't have edge [18:46] schestowitz so they can remotely modify lots of stuff on your machine [18:48] schestowitz the closest I get to chrome is falkon [18:48] schestowitz which uses blink, iirc [18:48] schestowitz all the others are proprietary [18:49] schestowitz brave also, partly [18:49] schestowitz and it's on shithub [18:49] schestowitz vivaldi, opera, chrome, edge... all proprietary [18:49] schestowitz GNOME's epiphany might be OK [18:49] schestowitz but... you know... GNOME cough cough [18:50] vZS1 I use Tor browser and Firefox [18:50] vZS1 Those are the main two for my daily stuff [18:50] vZS1 I don't like GNOME anything [18:53] schestowitz https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2020/11/15/google-chrome-update-gets-serious-homeland-security-cisa-confirms-attacks-underway/?sh=21f497441f08 [18:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Google Chrome Update Gets Serious: Homeland Security (CISA) Confirms Attacks Underway [18:55] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/699172.jpg [18:56] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19458229 [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #LastPass is #ProprietarySoftware with deep #Surveillance so when you feed passwords to it you're already compromised, and not just by #NSA (no sane person/company should use it.. without someone getting sacked!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiywIEvkWgY [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Leaving LastPass and Adopting Another Password Manager - YouTube ● Nov 16 [19:00] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Orange Pi Unveils the $16 Zero2: A Tiny, Android-Capable SBC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144428 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6ea360d7-88be-41f3-9b6a-c49bcd901f47] [19:02] MinceR https://files.catbox.moe/t6n9b0.jpg [19:05] *tr_guest|80010 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [19:10] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Hacker adds a working fingerprint sensor to the PinePhone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144384#comment-27159 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0932333b-7bfb-4042-be4e-1dbd56ea3d3b] [19:12] *scientes has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [19:14] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144429 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #News [https://pleroma.site/objects/e00680df-00cf-4ece-be27-7beeeb5bc8fc] [19:18] *scientes (~scientes@2001:bc8:62c:6e::1) has joined #techrights [19:19] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu MATE image for the GPD Win Max handheld gaming PC coming soon http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144430 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a8835a33-0b2c-4515-b1b9-c9bcf0122ff8] [19:19] *scientes has quit (Changing host) [19:19] *scientes (~scientes@unaffiliated/scientes) has joined #techrights [19:21] *scientes has quit (Client Quit) [19:21] *scientes (~scientes@git.icu) has joined #techrights [19:22] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [19:22] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 152 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144431 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b09ebe71-3cd0-49dd-bcf3-efafb9018bff] [19:23] XRevan86 https://xmppshare.meowr.ru/7018dab47d96f0125923921d7e7b834efc33c532/l3iKtsXcg5FCm14hqbNJZwnjjX39gp1D5M9E0doE/Screenshot_2020-11-16-22-22-13.png [19:23] XRevan86 At least some of those "Tux Machines" render on Android %). [19:23] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/699158.jpg [19:24] XRevan86 Except this is not *how* they should render, but it's *a* render. [19:24] schestowitz XRevan86: what's Android %%)) ;-) [19:24] *scientes has quit (Changing host) [19:24] *scientes (~scientes@unaffiliated/scientes) has joined #techrights [19:25] XRevan86 schestowitz: An operating system that struggles with them fancy unicode blocks that you use %). [19:25] schestowitz it's too advanced ;-) [19:25] schestowitz too many bytes [19:26] MinceR another one bytes the dust [19:28] schestowitz https://www.fosslife.org/google-defines-policy-more-inclusive-language [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | Google Defines Policy for More Inclusive Language [19:28] schestowitz "According to the blog post, the terms slave, whitelist, and blacklist will be replaced with more inclusive alternatives, such as replica, allowlist, and blocklist. The policy applies now to new projects dating from October 2020, and the Google OSPO intends to enforce the changes on more complex, established projects beginning in 2021. " [19:28] schestowitz Google: will kill people with the Pentagon, usually dark-skinned people, but the word "blacklist" is RACIST. https://www.fosslife.org/google-defines-policy-more-inclusive-language [19:29] MinceR :> [19:29] MinceR those were only brown people anyway [19:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/ [19:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lets Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away Peoples Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb in Peace) | Techrights [19:29] schestowitz greylisting, MinceR [19:29] schestowitz they're grey people [19:29] scientes MinceR, nice switcheroo [19:29] scientes schestowitz, <=== people who control language tolerant people ==============> [19:29] scientes > Corporations Taking Away Peoples Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb in Peace [19:29] XRevan86 soon: inclist, exclist [19:30] scientes that cuts the bullSHIT doesn't it? [19:30] schestowitz [19:29] soon: inclist, exclist [19:30] schestowitz incest? [19:30] schestowitz incel? [19:30] MinceR :) [19:31] MinceR incel inside [19:31] XRevan86 inclusive list, exclusive list [19:31] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel [19:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Incel - Wikipedia [19:33] XRevan86 (inclusion list, exclusion list rather) [19:34] schestowitz those things are getting boring [19:34] schestowitz I won't even write about it anymore [19:35] schestowitz I think there's consensus [19:35] schestowitz at least based on COMMENTS [19:35] schestowitz liek the ones in Phoronix [19:35] schestowitz almost everyone agrees, and not with those companies [19:35] schestowitz I don't like the term "virtue signaling" [19:35] schestowitz but those charm offensives would be textbook definition of it [19:35] schestowitz because they have no virtue at all [19:36] schestowitz IBM, Microsoft, Google.. [19:36] schestowitz how are they virturious? [19:36] schestowitz And Intel? [19:36] schestowitz What have they done for humanity? [19:36] schestowitz they overcompensate with pure BS [19:36] schestowitz and pretend to have feelings [19:36] schestowitz and empathy [19:36] schestowitz for humans it's understadable [19:37] schestowitz not for companies that tell us they're worth a trillion bucks [19:37] schestowitz and spy on us [19:37] schestowitz By overdoing it they kill the original causes [19:37] schestowitz see, [19:37] schestowitz if a black man told me not to say "blacklist" [19:38] schestowitz or a woman I work with asked to not say "man hours" [19:38] schestowitz I'd understand [19:38] schestowitz apologise [19:38] schestowitz change my communication accordingly [19:38] schestowitz but when IBM/Intel/Microsoft/Google do this? [19:38] schestowitz I laugh them off [19:38] schestowitz who are THEY to monopolise morality [19:38] schestowitz and so they kill the original causes [19:38] schestowitz and cause people to have spite [19:38] schestowitz like they do with antiwar movement, FS etc. [19:39] schestowitz they hijack and dilute support for social justice people as well [19:39] schestowitz by utilising them to overthrow people [19:39] schestowitz Then the real victims are presumed "corporate tools" [19:39] schestowitz and Green party voters are called "elitists" [19:39] schestowitz (Tom told me that) [19:40] schestowitz or "trolls" [19:41] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Allwinner H3 maker board could be smallest Linux-powered SBC yet http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144432 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b34ad176-5702-47f0-96b4-75ff1250e9dd] [19:43] XRevan86 Hm, I left Noto Sans Symbols in tact, it seems it's the font that has these blocks. [19:43] schestowitz as a side note [19:43] schestowitz [19:37] if a black man told me not to say "blacklist"\ [19:43] schestowitz This is unlikely to happen [19:43] schestowitz blacks are not THAT sensitive [19:44] schestowitz [19:38] or a woman I work with asked to not say "man hours" [19:44] schestowitz I never met people who use that term anyway [19:44] schestowitz maybe it's garage talk [19:44] schestowitz not tech talk [19:44] XRevan86 What does "man hours" mean? [19:44] schestowitz and in garage few women work because of the requirements of the job [19:44] XRevan86 "is the amount of work performed by the average worker in one hour" got it [19:44] schestowitz XRevan86: like, this job will take about "4 manhours, should cost about 100 bucks" [19:45] schestowitz manual work hours [19:45] schestowitz think of it as manual labour [19:45] schestowitz mano means hand on french iirc [19:45] schestowitz no connection to gender [19:45] schestowitz but "man" does refer to man here [19:45] XRevan86 womanual work hours [19:45] schestowitz so pretend it refers to hand labour [19:45] XRevan86 (that was a bad joke, I know) [19:46] schestowitz "huwoman hours" [19:46] schestowitz because I'm told human is also biased [19:46] schestowitz it has the dirty word "man" in it [19:46] schestowitz like the gnu command [19:46] schestowitz for MANUAL [19:46] schestowitz manual maybe needs renaming too [19:46] schestowitz just in case [19:46] schestowitz alias woman=man [19:46] schestowitz in .bashrc [19:47] schestowitz job for red hat [19:47] schestowitz recall "all the fedoras" [19:47] schestowitz redistribute back [19:48] *schestowitz aware the manpages project too would need to change loads of code accordingly, then test [19:48] XRevan86 schestowitz: For a noble cause it's worth it. [19:48] schestowitz then get ready for ladies to flock in [19:49] schestowitz and give tons of patches for the personpages project [19:49] schestowitz in Microsoft ShitHub [19:49] schestowitz XRevan86: it is [19:49] schestowitz but women will still be assigned shitty jobs [19:49] schestowitz by male bosses [19:49] schestowitz at least the command line won't be offensive [19:50] schestowitz and when they git commit they won't worry about git being an insult or master being a black person's "owner" [19:50] schestowitz wait till they meet fork bomb [19:50] schestowitz the mental image itself causes trauma [19:51] schestowitz sounds like IED [19:51] schestowitz with forks inside it, to increase casualties [19:51] schestowitz instead of nails and bearing balls [19:52] *psydroid suggests the masterbaiter project in order to deal with all the unpleasant things persons have to deal with in their lives [19:58] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:58] MinceR :) [19:59] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Bootable Live USB Creator UNetbootin 700 Released With Qt5 Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144433 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8eb0098a-580a-4f9c-9264-bab8948d6f89] [19:59] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Bootable Live USB Creator UNetbootin 700 Released With Qt5 Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144433 [https://pleroma.site/objects/78f69352-c4c5-43cf-95d1-1741ddfb0fff] ● Nov 16 [20:00] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Quantum Mini devkit combines Allwinner H3 M.2 SoM with baseboard https://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Quantum-Mini-Development-Kit-768x538.jpg [https://pleroma.site/objects/fd66b463-1f3e-493b-be1a-0237f1f9d64d] [20:01] schestowitz DOOM.EXE has a masterbaiter [20:01] schestowitz choosing which gallon of milk to pick [20:12] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Embedded #Nautilus Terminal Plugin 3.4.0 Adds Configurable Toggle Shortcut And Colors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144434 [https://pleroma.site/objects/adb0a8ad-c310-44bc-a9fd-547146fd8aab] [20:31] *gde33 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:44] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Maybe thee Coca Cola ultra filtered milk that costs 5 times as much. [20:45] DaemonFC[m] Can you believe there are idiots that buy things like that? [20:45] DaemonFC[m] https://www.today.com/food/fairlife-dairy-still-under-fire-over-alleged-animal-abuse-t156127 [20:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.today.com | Fairlife Dairy still under fire over alleged animal abuse after new viral video [20:46] DaemonFC[m] No headline mention of Coca Cola anywhere [20:48] vZS1 A lot of man pages get left out these days [20:48] vZS1 And get this [20:48] vZS1 They call it the [20:48] vZS1 "Linux man pages project" [20:49] vZS1 Even when a lot of the stuff is GNU tools [20:49] DaemonFC[m] I do think we need to pass a farm animal bill of rights of some sort. [20:50] DaemonFC[m] There's a difference between humane animal agriculture and just abusing them and causing them pain for no reason. [20:51] DaemonFC[m] I don't see anything wrong with eating meat and dairy products, but "breaking a cow's tail and hitting it with metal poles" because it "wasn't cooperating". Fuck. [20:51] DaemonFC[m] Fuck these people. Fuck Coca Cola. [20:51] DaemonFC[m] People who abuse animals are quite often serial killers and domestic abusers as well. So like, if they're doing that to a dairy cow, what are they doing outside of work? [20:52] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc01:200:655e:ef87:f909:8731) has joined #techrights [20:52] DaemonFC[m] Indiana has a lot of problems, but it has severe punishment for animal abuse. [20:52] schestowitz [20:49] Even when a lot of the stuff is GNU tools [20:52] schestowitz if you scroll all the way down [20:52] schestowitz many have RMS in them [20:53] schestowitz he wrote some of the very key programs [20:53] DaemonFC[m] You can spend almost as much time in prison for torturing an animal to death as you can for voluntary manslaughter in Indiana. [20:53] DaemonFC[m] Illinois too. [20:53] schestowitz techrights.org/2020/01/02/gnu-programs-as-linux-commands/ [20:53] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/01/02/gnu-programs-as-linux-commands/ [20:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNU Programs Arent Linux Commands But GNU Programs | Techrights [20:55] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Some people got angry that so many black people in Illinois are getting long prison sentences after we passed a law similar to Florida's use a gun and you're done. [20:56] DaemonFC[m] Stop pointing guns at people. Yes, very racist, a system that makes it a minimum 7 years to point a loaded gun at someone without justification. [20:56] DaemonFC[m] Unfortunately, it passed after that guy mugged me. [20:56] DaemonFC[m] He got two years house arrest. [20:57] DaemonFC[m] When the ballot question of "Should there be a minimum of 5-7 for pointing a gun without justification?" got to me, I voted yes without giving it another thought. [20:57] DaemonFC[m] These damned judges and prosecutors were ramming these cases through to get it off their desks. ● Nov 16 [21:05] vZS1 The thing is. With the tools that are non-gnu, you don't even get the high quality info docs [21:05] vZS1 Git is an exception [21:06] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/1328435911546302466 [21:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Judges at the EPO (Boards of Appeal) Can Still be Punished for Ruling Unfavourably on Patent Maximalism #law https://t.co/4Sn9mkVZkM [21:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Judges at the EPO (Boards of Appeal) Can Still be Punished for Ruling Unfavourably on Patent Maximalism #law https://t.co/4Sn9mkVZkM [21:06] schestowitz "Judges at the EPO (Boards of Appeal) Can Still be Punished for Ruling Unfavourably on Patent Maximalism #law #patents #Europe" [21:06] vZS1 A lot of the new stuff doesn't have documentation that you can easily read on the terminal offline [21:06] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: it's not just this company that abuses animals [21:06] schestowitz I still feel guilty for buying cheese [21:06] vZS1 I despise all this docbook nonsense [21:06] schestowitz and we try to use soy drinks, not milk [21:08] vZS1 #saveinfodocs [21:11] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LibIIO Library for interfacing Linux industrial I/O devices http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144435 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5776f789-0226-4686-984c-cba181cf6bc1] [21:13] kingoffrance vZS1, its because "online" got 1984ed. it used to mean on this lan, or accessible to this system, or on cd-rom even. now it means 24/7 internet connection you can read stuff. internet and tcp/ip are perhaps THE net now, instead of a network of networks. [21:13] kingoffrance so, the old stuff was "online docs" you could read in a terminal, it was the word "online" that got 1984ed [21:14] vZS1 I see [21:14] kingoffrance im just saying it goes deeper :) [21:14] vZS1 Hey. I'm all about learning [21:15] kingoffrance i dont know if that was universal, but old stuff you can see "online documentation" meant that usage [21:18] kingoffrance i think the old definition was generic shorthand for "not dead tree books" didnt necessarily indicate where it was located necessarily (what network or media), just meant "in digital form" [21:18] kingoffrance so "offline" then would be dead tree manuals [21:19] vZS1 The GNU info docs actually care about the user and tries to educate them about not just the tool but how it fits in to the entire system. Linux manual pages are a ripoff. They're cryptic, hide a lot of undocumented stuff, and generally don't care about educating the user. [21:19] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, somehow milk got turned political too. [21:20] vZS1 I've had to dive into the source code a lot of the time, in an attempt to figure out how a lot of these "Linux" utils work [21:21] vZS1 And how is that helping the user. What if they can't program [21:21] vZS1 Git is the one exception to all this. The Git info documentation is pretty decent [21:23] vZS1 kingoffrance: I guess back then offline documentation was still practical to print. You probably had to deal a lot less with behemoths like systemd [21:24] vZS1 I've noticed this trend of shitty documentation a lot. [21:24] vZS1 Go projects are pretty notorious for this as well [21:25] vZS1 They generate "documentation" from source code and comments. [21:25] vZS1 That's not documentation [21:25] vZS1 That's just commented source code [21:25] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:25] vZS1 With some beautified HTML [21:26] vZS1 I feel like the word "documentation" also got 1984ed [21:27] vZS1 There's also a lack of good books available. [21:28] vZS1 Back in the UNIX days and I guess early GNU days, there were so many great books available [21:30] MinceR the information in books might get obsolete too quickly :> [21:30] vZS1 I don't mind that [21:30] vZS1 I'll just buy the next book [21:31] vZS1 And programming is always evolving [21:31] vZS1 Just like utilities and operating systems [21:31] MinceR in reverse? :> [21:32] vZS1 Lol [21:38] vZS1 Take a look at the Documentation tree in the Linux Git repo [21:39] vZS1 It's basically notes for the developers....... [21:40] schestowitz [21:19] Yeah, somehow milk got turned political too. [21:40] schestowitz political? not sure [21:40] schestowitz I did not see a politician pushing to vote him/her based on milk [21:40] schestowitz but it might happen in the future [21:40] schestowitz covid got politicised [21:40] schestowitz though it boils down to science [21:40] schestowitz and we should not ask politicians about it [21:41] schestowitz milk is about animal rights [21:41] schestowitz those that produce milk eventually kill those cows too [21:41] schestowitz when they're no longer "useful" or "profitable" for their teats [21:41] schestowitz we've just changed, together, all the water in the fishtank [21:42] vZS1 Have a quick look at Documentation/filesystem/proc.rst [21:42] schestowitz we're not ready for veganism [21:42] schestowitz vZS1: more epo articles coming soon [21:42] schestowitz read a lot by epo staff [21:43] vZS1 SuSE plug, at the start [21:45] vZS1 "We don't guarantee the correctness of this document, and if you come to us complaining about how you screwed up your system because of incorrect documentation, we won't feel responsible..." [21:45] vZS1 Can't make this shit up [21:46] vZS1 > schestowitz: read a lot by epo staff [21:46] vZS1 Good [21:52] DaemonFC[m] https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/elon-musk-coronavirus-spacex-launch-covid-b1723556.html [21:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Elon Musk forced to watch historic SpaceX launch from home and mocked as Space Karen after catching Covid | The Independent [21:54] DaemonFC[m] "Mr Musk had previously questioned the legitimacy of the results." [21:54] DaemonFC[m] Space Trump [21:54] *zjmc_ (~jmc@184.75.221.203) has joined #techrights [21:58] vZS1 Emperor Elon [21:58] schestowitz mooching taxpayers [21:58] schestowitz a symptom of how the economy "works" [21:58] schestowitz 27 trillion national debt [21:59] schestowitz US billionaire alone at total wealth of 15 trillion and growing [21:59] schestowitz gov prints more cash [21:59] schestowitz borrowings from liabilities of the yet-unborn [21:59] schestowitz and that money ends up in offshore bank accounts of these corporation and oligarchs who pay no tax [21:59] schestowitz but keep voting [21:59] schestowitz vote Biden [21:59] schestowitz yeah, he'll fix all this shit... sure [21:59] schestowitz for the people who sponsored his campaign like they do Trump's ● Nov 16 [22:00] schestowitz https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 [22:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters [22:00] schestowitz Musk joined "the club" [22:00] schestowitz the moochers' club [22:00] schestowitz connections and lots of facial and scalp "work" [22:00] schestowitz The actual African Michael Jackson [22:00] schestowitz grifter [22:01] schestowitz vZS1: want to read the article? [22:01] schestowitz because it's distributed? [22:02] vZS1 I'm heading to bed. If it's in the bulletin, I'll read it as I have my morning tea [22:04] *tr_guest|25073 (519aad70@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.81.154.173.112) has joined #techrights [22:05] schestowitz ok [22:05] schestowitz we can figure it out [22:05] schestowitz I'm just proofreading [22:06] schestowitz could use another pair of eyes [22:06] schestowitz maybe DaemonFC[m]? [22:07] vZS1 I'd not catch anything now. Eyes too tired [22:15] DaemonFC[m] https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/526171-trump-officials-preparing-to-move-forward-with-major-step-to-lower-medicare [22:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump officials preparing to move forward with major step to lower Medicare drug prices | TheHill [22:15] DaemonFC[m] Right thing, wrong reasons. [22:16] schestowitz "Trump says" [22:16] DaemonFC[m] He's taking revenge for not giving his campaign much money and supporting Biden. [22:16] schestowitz https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2020/11/03/deutsche-bank-eager-to-dump-340-million-in-loans-to-trump-businesses-after-election/ [22:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Report: Deutsche Bank Eager To Dump $340 Million In Loans To Trump Businesses After Election [22:16] DaemonFC[m] And it's going to be so far along in the process and so popular that Biden might just go ahead and let it take effect because try stopping that. [22:17] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: my next article is partly about thos [22:17] schestowitz wanna read? [22:17] DaemonFC[m] Yeah [22:17] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/16/manufactured-hoax-in-study-veneer/ [22:17] schestowitz quick [22:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Patent Office Union (SUEPO) Reiterates Its Allegation, Backed by Professionals, That the Management is Crushing the Office and Its Staff Based on a Manufactured Hoax | Techrights [22:21] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows/Screencasts: News Roundup, Linux in the Ham Shack, Apple Threat, ArcoLinux and Feren OS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144436 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2c24f199-90c0-4fbc-952f-fb595378d923] [22:22] DaemonFC[m] " implement his oppressive measured" [22:22] DaemonFC[m] measures [22:22] DaemonFC[m] "Only hours ago the EPO boasted" [22:23] DaemonFC[m] Only hours ago, [22:23] DaemonFC[m] "aggressors and" [22:23] DaemonFC[m] aggressors, and [22:23] DaemonFC[m] "The EPO is so corrupt and rogue, so its" [22:23] schestowitz fixedx3 [22:24] DaemonFC[m] I would change it to "that it's". [22:24] DaemonFC[m] "In this own words" [22:24] DaemonFC[m] "In its own words"? [22:25] DaemonFC[m] during a video conference on 16 November. [22:25] DaemonFC[m] Missing quotation mark at the end. [22:26] schestowitz fixed [22:26] DaemonFC[m] "we showed" [22:26] DaemonFC[m] we've [22:26] smnthermes https://github.blog/2020-11-16-standing-up-for-developers-youtube-dl-is-back/ [22:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.blog | Standing up for developers: youtube-dl is back - The GitHub Blog [22:26] DaemonFC[m] (It's a nit.) [22:26] smnthermes wat [22:27] smnthermes Now they may not actually switch away from GitHub [22:27] schestowitz changing to "we have shown" [22:27] schestowitz idiots [22:27] schestowitz after some moved to gitlab [22:27] schestowitz but some damage was done [22:27] DaemonFC[m] These people must think the virus is overrated, just like Mr. Trump thinks [22:27] schestowitz this is "damage control" [22:27] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: "does" [22:27] DaemonFC[m] I'd say, "These people must think the virus is overrated...just like Mr. Trump." [22:28] DaemonFC[m] Make the biting insult more immediate after a short pause to think. [22:28] schestowitz right [22:28] schestowitz done [22:28] schestowitz rich people deny the severity [22:28] schestowitz they have access to better care and drugs [22:28] schestowitz if they need these [22:29] DaemonFC[m] "Theres sometimes uniquely distressing when one witnesses a lie being told again and again, in spite of solid refutations." [22:30] DaemonFC[m] "It's sometimes uniquely distressing" would read better. [22:30] schestowitz ack [22:31] schestowitz smnthermes: what about the google dmca takedown? [22:31] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, "pay freezes". [22:31] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/14/drm-loves-centralisation/ [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] DRM Loves Wintel/Microsoft/Centralisation/Monopoly | Techrights [22:31] smnthermes Yeah [22:31] schestowitz it's just a lip service [22:31] DaemonFC[m] It's done when the management wants to permanently tie the hands of their successors. [22:31] schestowitz to distort the historic record [22:32] schestowitz like they did Artic Vault when GitHub STAFF fled [22:32] schestowitz due to the ICE controversy [22:33] DaemonFC[m] As for Deutche Bank, even though the Democrats did not do extremely well in Congress this year.... [22:33] DaemonFC[m] Biden could still have his Attorney General investigate them, and so could MANY states that Trump has ties to. [22:33] schestowitz I'll quote you at the end [22:33] schestowitz re freezes [22:34] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: freeze military aid to germany ;-) [22:34] schestowitz until they 'cooperate' [22:34] DaemonFC[m] Well, the wage and benefit freezes often affect future raises even if they're reinstated, because the COLAs are based on total pay, and if your pay didn't go up for several years, especially early during your career..... [22:34] DaemonFC[m] The next administration would have to go to the board and propose a huge budget to catch everyone up, and that's not something they want to do. [22:35] schestowitz well put [22:36] DaemonFC[m] Trump froze all civilian federal employees for a while and John was particularly upset. [22:36] DaemonFC[m] It just keeps getting nastier every year. [22:37] schestowitz ok, refresh page [22:37] DaemonFC[m] "Shared sacrifice." Frees up more money for Elon Musk and Bill Gates, with the "Tax Cuts and Jobs Act". [22:37] schestowitz see if your quotatios are OK [22:37] DaemonFC[m] Billionaire subsidies and blue collar layoffs act. [22:38] schestowitz tbh, you put it better than I could [22:38] schestowitz it's your countru [22:38] schestowitz *ry [22:39] DaemonFC[m] I honestly don't know what Biden can/will do. [22:39] DaemonFC[m] Obviously some of it can be backed out. [22:39] schestowitz little [22:39] schestowitz symbolic [22:39] schestowitz but Trump would crush on and on [22:39] schestowitz Biden might do it slowly [22:39] schestowitz or retract just a bit [22:39] schestowitz because "not Trump" [22:39] schestowitz The Trump wrecking ball [22:39] DaemonFC[m] Well, Trump was so ham fisted and sloppy that he got a lot of things a little bit wrong. [22:40] schestowitz versus the Biden steelball [22:40] DaemonFC[m] And the courts threw it out and said try again, but now he won't have time. [22:40] schestowitz even DACA [22:40] schestowitz and a bunch of other stuff this past week [22:40] schestowitz TikTok [22:40] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, the courts reinstated DACA and didn't get to the merits of the program. [22:40] schestowitz 1st amndement [22:40] schestowitz all this noise for nothing [22:40] schestowitz wait till china retaliates [22:40] DaemonFC[m] They just said that Chad Wolf was never legally serving as DHS secretary. [22:40] schestowitz will block some US firms [22:40] DaemonFC[m] So all the stuff he did there is null and void. [22:41] schestowitz not likely Biden will appoint "folks" called "Chad" [22:41] DaemonFC[m] That's still great news, don't get me wrong. It backs out dozens of regulations that he tried to put in and the administration has no time to go back and redo it. [22:41] DaemonFC[m] Means Biden can focus on other stuff. [22:42] schestowitz maybe he will reinstate protection for wolves [22:42] schestowitz withdrawn just 2 weeks ago [22:42] schestowitz same for paris accord [22:42] schestowitz probably will asap [22:42] schestowitz maybe even iran deal, somehow... [22:42] DaemonFC[m] He said we'll rejoin the Paris Accord. [22:42] DaemonFC[m] Much of the US is still in it because of state, county, and city laws. [22:42] schestowitz it'll be fun to see 4 years of truck wreckage undone, BUT... [22:42] DaemonFC[m] But it would obviously be more effective if the federal government rejoins it. [22:42] schestowitz with covid and lockdown nobody will notice [22:43] DaemonFC[m] https://news.wttw.com/2019/01/23/gov-pritzker-signs-pact-committing-illinois-paris-climate-goals [22:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.wttw.com | Gov. Pritzker Signs Pact Committing Illinois to Paris Climate Goals | Chicago News | WTTW [22:43] schestowitz good [22:44] DaemonFC[m] Illinois can't sign treaties because Congress would have to approve it, but nothing stops it from putting in the requirements with state law and not technically agreeing to do it with anyone else. [22:46] DaemonFC[m] It's kind of funny, right? The states can't agree with each other to do this, but they can enact it into a state law after, you know, talking it over with each other. [22:47] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Put the rent check for December in the mail today. [22:47] DaemonFC[m] I know it's early and it's going to a PO Box at the same post office, but..... [22:47] DaemonFC[m] I have no idea what in the fuck is going on in there. [22:48] DaemonFC[m] And even though they still claim they can do first class mail within 4 days pretty much anywhere in the country, that's just not what I'm seeing. [22:48] DaemonFC[m] I'm seeing 6-9 days between postmark and into my mailbox and that's between Chicago and Waukegan. [22:49] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz, the landlord actually changed the lease when I pointed out how bad the post office was. [22:50] DaemonFC[m] It said, "The rent shall be considered paid on the date which it is received.". And he agreed to strike "received" and replace it with "postmarked". [22:52] DaemonFC[m] Because sometimes they postmark it a day after you drop it in the collection box and then take 6-9 days to get it one city over. [22:52] *vZS1 has quit (Quit: Quit) [22:53] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I told him "Normally, I try to drop the rent in no later than ten days before the 1st of the month.". The worst I'm seeing the post office do with first class mail these days is usually 6-9 days, but that ballot taking 14 days to get to me is just inexcusable. [22:53] DaemonFC[m] So I'm assuming that any particular piece of mail could take that long. [22:54] DaemonFC[m] So I dropped the rent check in today. [22:54] DaemonFC[m] They're fucking with people's lives. [22:54] DaemonFC[m] Trump sabotaged it to try to "win" by declaring that votes got there too late. [22:55] DaemonFC[m] But it did permanent damage, and people are having their utilities cut off, their landlords going "OK, where's the rent?", they have to drive to the pharmacy and ask for an emergency supply of heart medicine. [22:55] DaemonFC[m] I mean, they're fucking with people's lives. [22:55] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: you use cheques? [22:55] schestowitz I've not written one in so long [22:55] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Postal money order. [22:56] DaemonFC[m] They only charge like $1.25 to write one out, and you can replace it if it gets lost in the mail, of course. [22:56] schestowitz ah, yes [22:56] DaemonFC[m] I suppose I could go to Walmart and get one cheaper. [22:56] schestowitz I know that service [22:56] DaemonFC[m] I'm there to drop Mandy off a lot. [22:56] schestowitz should be faster though if not immediate [22:56] DaemonFC[m] I think the Western Union money orders are like 75 cents or something. [22:57] schestowitz money for nothing [22:57] schestowitz for "handling" [22:57] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: he told me I could pay with Zelle using my bank account. [22:57] schestowitz not even insurance [22:57] DaemonFC[m] I used to do that with "Joy". [22:57] schestowitz why not bank standing order? [22:57] schestowitz no commission here [22:57] DaemonFC[m] The ironically named evil bitch queen landlord in Chicago. [22:57] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, Zelle is free. [22:58] schestowitz sounds French [22:58] DaemonFC[m] I might ask him for the info. He said pay it to his wife's email. [22:58] schestowitz usps is all dodgy [22:58] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I just, for someone who loves technology I'm just really conservative when it comes to certain things. [22:59] schestowitz if trump already killed it, so be it, the credibility is dead for sure [22:59] DaemonFC[m] I wonder what my bank does charge for a book of checks. [22:59] schestowitz departing gift from what MinceR calls cheeto hitler [22:59] schestowitz banks used to hand them away free with new accounts [22:59] schestowitz not anymore, iirc [22:59] schestowitz as few people use them by default ● Nov 16 [23:00] schestowitz today in aldi they played audio on how you should "please use touchless" [23:00] schestowitz or "contactless" [23:00] schestowitz or "card [23:00] schestowitz I always pay cash [23:00] schestowitz they're acting a bit surprised when I do [23:00] DaemonFC[m] "PNC Bank uses Harland Clarke as its supplier for checks and accessories. Prices start at $19.56 for a pack of 80 safety blue checks. The cost is $39.12 for a pack of 160 checks, $58.68 for a pack of 240 checks, and $78.24 for a pack of 320 checks. Shipping takes about two weeks." [23:00] DaemonFC[m] Oh, that's lovely. [23:00] schestowitz but I only give fine notes, not coins [23:00] schestowitz the coins go home to a jar [23:01] schestowitz wow, so expensive [23:01] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The only thing I wrote checks for was the rent. [23:01] schestowitz what are those sheets of paper made of, algae? [23:01] DaemonFC[m] So I actually got them and then had 4-5 addresses ago on them. [23:01] schestowitz imagine getting those 320 sheets, then closing that bank account [23:02] schestowitz need to order them all over again [23:02] MinceR what happens to the coins in the jar? [23:02] DaemonFC[m] Ouch. [23:02] schestowitz I think they just try to rip off "business owners" [23:02] schestowitz aldi charged me 9 quid for a friggin electric splitter [23:02] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, because most people don't write enough checks to really bother using them. [23:02] schestowitz I sometimes get basic ones for a pound [23:02] DaemonFC[m] I might make my next two rent payments with those two starter checks I still have. [23:02] DaemonFC[m] Get rid of them. [23:02] schestowitz but they seem to be exploiting the fact all the non-essential shops are shut [23:02] schestowitz so I took one anyway [23:03] schestowitz MinceR: fed to machines [23:03] schestowitz they count the coins, give the balance [23:03] DaemonFC[m] "A two-pack of Walmart blue secure checks, which has 300 checks total, is $14.92. Youll pay $22.38 for three packs, which contain 450 checks. A four-pack with 600 checks is $29.84." [23:03] schestowitz the money is then withdrawn in paper, deposited elsewhere [23:04] MinceR :) [23:04] schestowitz not a good time to do it now with covid and all... I think we have like 20kg of coins already [23:04] schestowitz a new record [23:04] DaemonFC[m] 300 checks should be more than enough. [23:04] MinceR lol @ 20kg [23:04] schestowitz wait until a thief shows uo [23:04] schestowitz I have a weapon [23:04] schestowitz "Take this, mfer!" [23:05] schestowitz there was a scene like this in Seinfeld [23:05] schestowitz Kramer and his coins [23:05] DaemonFC[m] Then again.... [23:05] DaemonFC[m] If I order them from Walmart, I can take my 10% associate discount and the 5% from the credit card people [23:08] DaemonFC[m] 150 checks for $8.46. [23:08] DaemonFC[m] Not bad. [23:08] DaemonFC[m] And they have Star Trek TNG characters on them. :D [23:10] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: There's upsides to money orders too. [23:10] DaemonFC[m] The money order was paid for up front so you don't have to account for it being "out there" at some point and maybe hitting your account with non-sufficient funds. [23:11] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: My bank tried to talk me into signing up for a line of credit overdraft "protection" account, at credit card interest rates of course. [23:11] DaemonFC[m] But the other option was "decline the transaction if it will overdraw the account". [23:11] DaemonFC[m] So I chose that. [23:12] *tr_guest|25073 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [23:13] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: seriously? Star Trek? [23:13] schestowitz "you jooooking!" [23:14] DaemonFC[m] I know, I know. [23:14] schestowitz hollywood and banks overlap [23:14] schestowitz what next? [23:14] schestowitz xxx checques? [23:15] schestowitz I gave her a "blowjob cheque"... I guess this was the logical step after credit cards with crap on their face [23:15] schestowitz as if banks are individuality cards [23:15] schestowitz "look, look at my card.... it's all about ME" [23:19] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SMARC module runs Linux on up to octa-core Renesas RZ/G2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144437 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e1931a02-3bc7-4d86-a45e-7dbcab9a4c33] [23:22] kingoffrance yeah you can pay for custom debit or credit logo like vanity plates [23:22] kingoffrance the more "personal" they try to make it, the less it is, i suspect [23:22] kingoffrance 'my computer' [23:23] kingoffrance you're not just a number, you can choose your logo too [23:24] schestowitz you can upload your photo to shithub [23:25] schestowitz to 'your'(IAA) account [23:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Sam Thursfield: Search Pinboard.in from GNOME Shell http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144438 [https://pleroma.site/objects/31485b8c-a527-4243-b0f8-ca306a81db16] [23:35] DaemonFC[m] I just have our electric set to autopay. [23:36] DaemonFC[m] They wanted me to do budget billing, which is their term for level bills, but that ends up costing you more because you get in the mindset of bills that don't drastically go up or down each month and so you don't conserve power thinking "If I do this, it adds that much to the bill next month.". [23:36] DaemonFC[m] I'm wondering just how much these new laptops save in power. [23:37] DaemonFC[m] The new ones have a pc9 and pc10, but I'm guessing not a hell of a lot. [23:37] DaemonFC[m] They'd have to be almost totally idle to spend any time there and then the uEFI which mjg59 loves so much would just be so broken that you may never get there at all. [23:37] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #PinePhone #KDE Community Edition will run Plasma Mobile out-of-the-boxPinePhone KDE Community Edition will run Plasma Mobile out-of-the-box http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144384#comment-27161 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1882ca4e-4a60-41db-aa56-4555c4666716] [23:38] DaemonFC[m] Even as he touts how great it would be if it actually worked at all, and wasn't sabotaged by Windows 10 even if the firmware miraculously wasn't that bad. [23:38] DaemonFC[m] :) [23:39] DaemonFC[m] So comparing Linux power management to Windows, you have to account for some things, like the fact that Windows 10 is so broken that it's a gas guzzler, and that's if Microsoft doesn't brick it or the firmware completely with an update, and just how bad the firmware is likely to be to begin with. [23:40] DaemonFC[m] You're probably not going to get past serious EFI bugs in the Linux kernel. You might. Who knows? Lenovo and whoever gave them this 100% pure shit firmware of mine in the Yoga have the Linux kernel complaining about bugs and workarounds for bugs the likes of which I never saw under Legacy BIOS. [23:41] DaemonFC[m] Torvalds repeatedly said as much. It was bad but it was a known factor and did what it had to do and the code for the BIOS ROMs and the kernel code to deal with it was pretty battle tested. [23:42] DaemonFC[m] They replaced something that basically worked with something that has been a decade long and sometimes hardware killing monstrosity. [23:43] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat: Red Hat as Community and PR Fluff, Watson (Proprietary) Promotion http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144439 [https://pleroma.site/objects/47a7a1b2-b1cf-439f-ad33-56c9df26135c] [23:44] DaemonFC[m] mjg59is not allowed to criticize uEFI for a multitude of reasons regardless of how he really feels about it because (1) CoCs imposed by Red Hat, IBM, Microsoft, and Intel would mean he'd probably get fired for saying what the true state of uEFI really is and (2) he's so obnoxiously fake polite he might still not say anything even if it didn't mean shitting where he drew a paycheck. [23:45] DaemonFC[m] But uEFI is a total disaster and I may pay System76 for the pleasure of not dealing with a system using it ever again. [23:45] DaemonFC[m] On my system, STILL (regardless of if it's Windows 10 or Linux, because this is a firmware bug that Lenovo and Intel and the uEFI vendor never patched), about 1 boot out of 10 you can't get past pc3 anyway. [23:47] DaemonFC[m] Could you put it in Legacy Mode? Sure, but then you just get more problems because the uEFI is still there causing every issue it was before, and then there's this shitty BIOS abstraction layer too. So, Intel is killing the CSM because, well, for obvious reasons. [23:47] DaemonFC[m] It makes uEFI even more terrible and no supported version of Windows doesn't know what uEFI is. [23:48] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I had to finally click unsubscribe from those Red Roof Inn emails. [23:49] DaemonFC[m] They asked how my stay from July 2019 to November 2020 was. [23:49] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:49] DaemonFC[m] I cannot, in good conscience, review them because it was pretty horrific other than that it was cheap and the staff at the hotel was nice. [23:51] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Mom totally didn't get what was going on. She asked why I moved over there. I said, "I wasn't going to last long at that other place and maybe over here I'll live long enough to come up with a plan.". [23:53] mjg59 DaemonFC[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2aq5M3Q76U [23:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EFI and Linux: the future is here, and it's awful - Matthew Garrett - YouTube [23:55] DaemonFC[m] At one point, you basically said that Linux power management for my laptop chipset was garbage compared with Windows. [23:55] DaemonFC[m] Even at the time, Windows was, overall, using at least 30% more power. [23:56] mjg59 Linux support for power management on the chipset was [23:56] DaemonFC[m] At the same time refusing to acknowledge Intel for writing pointless specs and refusing to document them. [23:56] mjg59 Because Intel wouldn't tell us under what circumstances it was safe to enable ALPM [23:56] mjg59 So you could enable it, but you risked data corruption [23:56] DaemonFC[m] And Microsoft-Lenovo compact locking PC devices to Windows. [23:57] mjg59 I was pretty open in my criticism of Intel there [23:57] DaemonFC[m] The state of Illinois started sniffing around and made short work of that, mind you. [23:57] DaemonFC[m] They offered to settle with me 2 weeks after I filed the complaint. [23:58] mjg59 I guess the statute of limitations has passed since you signed me up to a bunch of spam lists [23:58] DaemonFC[m] It terminated the deal between them. [23:59] mjg59 Anyway, time to go teaching [23:59] DaemonFC[m] The FSF has a habit of giving those awards out to saboteurs and trolls like you. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-161120.txt

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