●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, November 15, 2020 ●● ● Nov 15 [00:02] Ariadne [15:59] is Ariadne aware? [00:02] Ariadne aware of what? [00:02] schestowitz I'm sure you know [00:03] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/14/drm-loves-centralisation/ [00:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] DRM Loves Wintel/Microsoft/Centralisation/Monopoly | Techrights [00:03] Ariadne I have no plan to put Holika on github even though it won't have the L3 key [00:03] schestowitz mass decapitation [00:03] Ariadne I'm not stupid :) [00:03] schestowitz they move on [00:03] schestowitz from youtube-dl [00:03] schestowitz with its URL look-up [00:03] schestowitz fake DRM [00:04] schestowitz to other forms [00:04] schestowitz dmca takedowns mutating fast [00:04] schestowitz we need to evolve and spread to adaprt [00:04] schestowitz not by clicking fork in proprietary github [00:04] schestowitz but distributed development [00:04] schestowitz like gnu used to be [00:04] Ariadne although even still Holika should be DMCA safe since it's for enabling interoperability [00:05] schestowitz like I said [00:05] schestowitz these things aee evolving [00:05] schestowitz we should too [00:05] schestowitz there's something in the air [00:06] schestowitz github is at the centre [00:06] schestowitz they no longer need to explain themselves [00:06] schestowitz and the media stopped caring [00:06] MinceR DMCA bans interoperability in some cases, iirc [00:07] schestowitz doesn't matter what it does [00:07] schestowitz what it alleged is what matters [00:07] schestowitz as it seems compliance is done blindly, i.e. censorship [00:07] schestowitz same for google url takedowns [00:07] schestowitz they don't even check [00:07] schestowitz sometimes it's not feasible [00:07] schestowitz make demand and bam it's gone [00:07] schestowitz see megaupload [00:08] schestowitz didn't just play to their tune [00:08] schestowitz now extradited like some bali bomber or something [00:08] MinceR https://xkcd.com/2173/ [00:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Trained a Neural Net [00:16] CrystalMath but schestowitz, you are the media, and you do care [00:16] CrystalMath so it's not all the media [00:17] MinceR "I am the Senate!" [00:18] schestowitz "And so's ma wifey" [00:23] *drdogcow has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:24] zjmc_ It sounds better in Latin "Ego senatus" :) I forgot all my Latin, had to use a translation site [00:25] MinceR :) [00:25] MinceR Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. [00:25] XRevan86 Az yesm' tsar' [00:26] *drdogcow (~drunkendo@gateway/tor-sasl/drunkendogcowm/x-45413332) has joined #techrights [00:28] XRevan86 zjmc_: I don't know Latin but shouldn't it be "ego senatus est"? [00:29] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kodachi 7.6 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144377 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0e9d2cdf-9083-4354-a914-7c66e90b210c] [00:29] zjmc_ I have no idea, I just used a web site [00:29] zjmc_ but I was expecting est to be last [00:29] XRevan86 GT claims it's "Ego senatum" [00:30] zjmc_ That is where I got it from [00:30] XRevan86 Here there's no need for a to be, because it's an accusative [00:31] XRevan86 Az/Ya senatom [00:31] XRevan86 except what sense does that make? [00:31] XRevan86 and another question is how do I translate that to English literally? :D [00:33] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144378 [https://pleroma.site/objects/127678c3-c687-41f6-8104-b930a5c28d5b] [00:33] CrystalMath i mean that techrights is a part of the media [00:34] CrystalMath i get my news from techrights [00:40] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices/Embedded: Raspberry Pi, Arduino, STM32 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144379 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2c43196c-d4da-4228-8eb8-0626e6be21eb] [00:42] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:45] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBMs IWB on Social Responsibility of Business and Fedora (Red Hat) in Community Clothing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144380 [https://pleroma.site/objects/932c2fe7-6954-49c9-9e1f-63bb14398e4b] [00:49] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144381 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9c55958f-5a43-4ab2-877c-d506774ea96a] [00:58] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 15/11/2020: Linux App Summit 2020, SlackEX Linux Release, and Kodachi 7.6 http://techrights.org/2020/11/14/kodachi-7-6/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/d9a6012b-fed2-433d-87f6-e5d2bf6ffa1d] ● Nov 15 [01:00] *zjmc_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [01:04] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:04] *vallor has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [01:05] *vallor (~Ponzo@pdpc/supporter/monthlygold/vallor) has joined #techrights [01:41] *davisr_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:41] *davisr (~davisr@cpe-70-92-166-130.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #techrights [01:45] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [01:45] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [01:51] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [01:52] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Nov 15 [02:11] *rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:12] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:50] *XRevan86 backported fonts from Android 11, still can't see the fancy "tuxmachines" on Android. [02:54] DaemonFC[m] I would consider Github as maybe a mirror. You can't depend on it as a primary hosting site. [02:55] DaemonFC[m] I'm leaning towards system76 for my next laptop. Who knows when that will be though. [02:55] DaemonFC[m] Coreboot is a strong positive factor. [02:56] DaemonFC[m] No uEFI at all except as an optional decoy to get Windows to work if you're interested in that at all. [02:57] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/14/politics/federal-judge-daca-rules-chad-wolf/index.html [02:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Federal judge says new DACA rules are invalid - CNNPolitics [02:58] DaemonFC[m] Trump has sidestepped Congress even though his own party was in control of the Senate, in order to get extreme new Immigration rules in place, but federal courts are ruling that Chad Wolf wasn't the legal head of DHS and all of his actions are invalid and void. ● Nov 15 [03:00] DaemonFC[m] "McConnell spokesman Doug Andres told CNN on Thursday that there are no scheduling updates or guidance "at the moment" in regards to his confirmation." [03:00] DaemonFC[m] No point. Whoever gets confirmed would be in there for less than 10 weeks and their new regulation wouldn't be finalized before Biden gets in and cancels it. [03:18] *rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [03:18] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [03:36] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I'm really happy about the Debian 10 container in Chrome OS. [03:37] DaemonFC[m] I think it's an obvious solution for all of the power users who saw them as glorified netbooks and balked at paying $1,000 for a Pixelbook. [03:37] DaemonFC[m] https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/11/13/21564650/illinois-driver-facilities-closing-through-early-december-covid-19-dmv [03:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chicago.suntimes.com | Illinois coronavirus: Driver facilities closing through early December - Chicago Sun-Times [03:39] DaemonFC[m] I'm glad I hurried up and renewed our cards before this happened. [03:39] DaemonFC[m] We would never have gotten down there in time with all the documentation they want. [03:40] DaemonFC[m] Pritzker said several communities have been defying orders in the past months and if they keep doing so, he said he'll take more extreme measures. [03:40] DaemonFC[m] "With many community leaders choosing not to listen to the doctors, we are left with not many tools in our toolbox to fight this. The numbers don't lie," Pritzker said. "If things don't take a turn in the coming days we will quickly reach the point when some form of mandatory stay-at-home order is all that will be left. With every fiber of my being, I do not want us to get there but right now, that seems like where w [03:40] DaemonFC[m] are heading." ● Nov 15 [04:12] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [04:12] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights [04:15] cybrNaut Apple is monitoring every app than OS X user execute, and when => https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/ [04:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sneak.berlin | Jeffrey Paul: Your Computer Isn't Yours [04:24] CrystalMath so much for Apple II making the world nothing like 1984 [04:24] CrystalMath as they said in the ad [04:24] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [04:24] CrystalMath someone needs to Make Apple Great Again! [04:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:25] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [04:25] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [04:26] *oarion7 (~anonymous@unaffiliated/oarion7) has joined #techrights [04:32] aindilis Hi folks [04:38] *titanbiscuit has quit (K-Lined) [04:38] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:39] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [04:39] aindilis anyone interested in a software system of dossiers automatically extracted from text about people/groups inimical to free/libre software? [04:42] aindilis The idea is to automatically build a Knowledge Base / Graph about entities from text and then do inference such as Social Network Analysis, etc. [04:45] aindilis This text processing research area is usually called Knowledge Base Population / Construction (KBP/KBC). [04:48] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:48] *obarun has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:48] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [04:57] aindilis Here is an early take on it: http://iral.cs.umbc.edu/Pubs/FLAIRS06-AutomatedPopulationOfCyc.pdf [04:57] aindilis And here is what it looks like today: https://github.com/limanling/uiuc_ie_pipeline_fine_grained [04:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - limanling/uiuc_ie_pipeline_fine_grained: A script to run fine-grained entity, relation and event extraction ● Nov 15 [05:05] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [05:18] *oiaohm has quit () [05:23] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights [05:45] DaemonFC[m] https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-company-builds-coronavirus-killing-robots-for-hospitals-worldwide/2371921/ [05:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcchicago.com | Illinois Company Builds Coronavirus-Killing Robots for Hospitals Worldwide NBC Chicago [05:48] DaemonFC[m] I already knew Apple refused to sign any bittorrent program. [05:48] DaemonFC[m] So it involves overriding all of the built-in security just to get a bittorrent program on the machine. I'd be surprised if the user is even allowed to do that once the transition to ARM is complete. [05:52] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [05:52] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [05:52] schestowitz aindilis: github? [05:53] aindilis true [05:54] schestowitz [02:55] Coreboot is a strong positive factor. [05:54] schestowitz And then you install proprietary browsers ● Nov 15 [06:06] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Save The Planet, Kill Yourself! https://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/) [06:12] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [06:12] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [06:19] DaemonFC[m] Meh. [06:19] DaemonFC[m] The uEFI firmware is notoriously unreliable and poorly built. [06:28] schestowitz what is all that for then? [06:29] schestowitz You want coreboot [06:29] schestowitz but I doubt you can much for the freedom aspects [06:45] oiaohm DaemonFC[m]: fun point apple OS sends signatures of all running programs to there servers for yes or no approval. [06:45] mjg59 Untrue [06:47] oiaohm mjg59: https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/ Its not untrue its true for the version of Mac OS that runs on the ARM versions. [06:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sneak.berlin | Jeffrey Paul: Your Computer Isn't Yours [06:48] mjg59 oiaohm: The article is incorrect [06:48] oiaohm I have not seen correction. [06:48] mjg59 The query includes the developer's signing certificate [06:49] mjg59 Not the binary hash [06:49] mjg59 https://blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/ [06:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.jacopo.io | Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical lookJacopo Jannone - blog [06:49] schestowitz it's bad enough that it phones home [06:49] schestowitz it'll extend over time [06:49] schestowitz that cert can help guess what's running [06:50] mjg59 Sure, there are cases where you can infer what's being run [06:50] schestowitz ok [06:50] mjg59 But the claim that it's sending the signatures of all running programs is incorrect [06:50] schestowitz and you can blacklist by dev name [06:50] schestowitz so you are being pedantic [06:50] schestowitz while the general, overall message is true [06:50] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc0f:7c00:393b:7d1b:915d:b337) has joined #techrights [06:51] schestowitz not sure if there's a name for this [06:51] schestowitz a pattern of logic fallacy [06:51] schestowitz where you nitpick a little thing [06:51] schestowitz maybe 2% of a message [06:51] schestowitz prove a little inaccuracy [06:51] schestowitz then you say the whole thing is "false" [06:51] schestowitz there must be a word for that [06:52] mjg59 Does MacOS submit the signature of every binary you run? No, it does not. That's not being pedantic. [06:53] schestowitz I'm not looking for a fight with you, but [06:53] schestowitz [06:48] oiaohm: The article is incorrect [06:53] schestowitz That's a blanket statement [06:53] schestowitz assuming what you asserted is true [06:53] schestowitz and what you cited is NOT "incorrect" (double negation) [06:53] schestowitz you cannot just write off the original article entirely [06:53] schestowitz that would be unfair [06:54] mjg59 The original article makes several claims. Some are accurate, some are inaccurate. [06:54] schestowitz and that would be characteristic is "concern trolling" of sorts [06:54] schestowitz that term isn't apt [06:54] schestowitz "concern trolling" [06:54] schestowitz but I noticed this pattern [06:54] schestowitz techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/ [06:54] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/ [06:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Spot Diversion Tactics (Excuses and Distractions From Articles Not Convenient to the Reader) | Techrights [06:54] schestowitz it's partly covered here [06:54] mjg59 I pointed to an article that contains what are, as far as I can tell, only accurate claims [06:54] schestowitz and it's why I carefully reread (second time) what I post [06:55] schestowitz some people might even use a typo as an excuse to discredit the message [06:55] mjg59 And which gives the reader the information they need to verify the claims [06:55] schestowitz "oh, look, he spelled that name not correctly, ignore entire article!" [06:55] schestowitz [06:48] oiaohm: The article is incorrect [06:55] schestowitz Better say: [06:55] schestowitz the article is correct, except part xyz [06:56] schestowitz where it's not entirely false, just inaccurate [06:56] schestowitz some guessing is needed sometimes [06:56] schestowitz the companies don't give away their dark secrets [06:56] mjg59 In this case it's actually extremely straight forward to determine what's being sent [06:56] schestowitz unless you do "parrot journalism" [06:56] oiaohm The system is still setup to send signatures based on developer key on all applications for yes/no approval that if this hardens more this will make it tricker to run third party installed applications. [06:56] schestowitz you sometimes need to approximate [06:56] mjg59 It's RFC 6960 [06:57] schestowitz anyway, time-wasting [06:57] mjg59 oiaohm: You already can't run unsigned applications on MacOS without a lot of effort [06:57] schestowitz bbl [06:57] mjg59 *This* isn't the problem there [06:57] schestowitz it is too [06:57] mjg59 It's that Apple have created an entirely locked down ecosystem [06:57] kingoffrance muddying the waters maybe schestowitz [06:58] mjg59 The OCSP verification does nothing to prevent unsigned applications from being run [06:59] mjg59 Because the entire signing framework has already blocked them unless the user does multiple non-obvious things [06:59] kingoffrance also forest for trees, or spirit versus letter etc. ● Nov 15 [07:00] schestowitz yeah [07:00] mjg59 If Apple disabled this entire feature you'd still have the same level of difficulty in running unsigned software and Apple would still find it just as easy to block unsigned software [07:00] schestowitz I stopped responding [07:01] kingoffrance yeah sorry missed the bbl at first, didnt mean to ping you [07:03] kingoffrance tunnel vision too [07:04] schestowitz it's easy to refute [07:04] schestowitz but pointless [07:05] schestowitz he's not here to be convinced [07:05] schestowitz and there are better aspects to discuss [07:05] schestowitz either way, nice to see a poster giving credit to RMS and Cory Doctorow [07:05] schestowitz we know Apple will be these things more oppressive over time [07:05] schestowitz (as Apple does) [07:05] schestowitz and more companies may follow suit [07:05] schestowitz once it's considered "normal" [07:06] schestowitz iOS is spreading to general-purpose desktops/laptops the restrictions of so-called phones [07:06] schestowitz I don't know who this Jeff is [07:06] schestowitz but he seems to 'get' it [07:06] schestowitz and his post went 'viral' [07:06] schestowitz highlight concerns that can help us in the free software community [07:07] schestowitz not only among geeks but the general public that experiences woes-ome restrictions [07:07] schestowitz *woe-some [07:07] schestowitz I think Apple 'helps' us [07:07] schestowitz in the sense that it shows how oppressive computers can get, not just expensive [07:07] schestowitz and it brings more people to our fold [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > https://apnews.com/article/sound-beaming-noveto-no-headphones-38327ae5fe116080a5eaf2374eb0f5c8 [07:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | New device puts music in your head no headphones required [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > Noveto expects the device will have plenty of practical uses, from [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > allowing office workers to listen to music or conference calls without [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > interrupting colleagues to letting someone play a game, movie or music [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > without disturbing their significant others. [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > The lack of headphones means its possible to hear other sounds in the [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > room clearly. [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > The technology uses a 3-D sensing module and locates and tracks the ear [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > position sending audio via ultrasonic waves to create sound pockets by [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > the users ears. Sound can be heard in stereo or a spatial 3-D mode that [07:08] schestowitz [06:27] > creates 360 degree sound around the listener, the company said. [07:08] schestowitz yay! INNOVA~1 [07:27] *oarion7 has quit (Quit: Running IRC on a charmed medieval abacus.) [07:35] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144382 [https://pleroma.site/objects/82fd6a63-5c13-4c5b-bbad-4f2d0fa65c14] [07:39] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedoras Qt-Based Media Writer Seeing Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144353#comment-27145 [https://pleroma.site/objects/903f27aa-b608-45cf-b08f-c55d33d97b1b] [07:52] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux vs. macOS: 15 Key Differences You Need to Know http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144383 [https://pleroma.site/objects/daa68896-590d-464e-9bf3-3fa9de628e79] [07:58] oiaohm schestowitz: https://hackaday.com/2019/02/14/creating-coherent-sound-beams-easily/ The ultrasound bit you can do as diy hardware. [07:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Creating Coherent Sound Beams, Easily | Hackaday [07:58] oiaohm schestowitz: the special bit in those noveto headphones is the targeting. [07:59] schestowitz iophk: "The US Senate race for Georgia is still up in the air. The best Biden can do is a tie. If he fails to secure both seats, he will have a minority in th US Senate and Moscow Mitch can obstruct more or less every last effort. We won't know until January and until then there will be a real battle using massive amounts of both disinformation and money." https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/georgia-senate-warnock-ossoff/ [07:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Joe Bidens Presidency Depends on Georgia | The Nation [07:59] oiaohm schestowitz: I have done up ultrasound to give 5.1 in a room with all the speakers at the front of the room. Yes focused beam to the back of room. ● Nov 15 [08:09] vZS1 schestowitz: one reason you don't see as many projects self-hosting any more is because they've fallen for the various marketing myths made by the centralisation efforts of GAFAM [08:10] schestowitz clown computing [08:10] schestowitz it's "the future" [08:11] schestowitz back to mainframes and stuff [08:11] schestowitz because it's "cool" [08:11] schestowitz and all the "smart" CTOs/CIOs "do it" [08:17] vZS1 But let them do their marketing. We're being the change we want to see in the world. (: [08:18] schestowitz many have remorse [08:18] schestowitz seeing how things change in situ [08:18] schestowitz things they don't like [08:18] schestowitz and cannot reject [08:18] schestowitz like "new versions" [08:19] vZS1 If people want to, they can always migrate. The issue is more a refusal to do the work and spend the resources [08:19] vZS1 And, often. A lack of courage to make the shift [08:20] schestowitz or to learn [08:20] vZS1 That as well [08:20] schestowitz a lot boils down to "oursourcing' [08:20] schestowitz to the "big boys" [08:20] schestowitz "we don't worry about that... until later" [08:20] schestowitz like a data breach [08:20] schestowitz or service shutdown [08:20] schestowitz which we oppose and can do nothing about [08:20] schestowitz Google is about to shut down some more things [08:20] schestowitz not just because of the pandemic [08:21] schestowitz emails were circulated about it days ago [08:21] schestowitz it's hard to even keep track.. hundreds of shut down "Services" already [08:21] vZS1 The main thing is all the various types of resource debt traps they fall into: technical, infra, skills, knowledge, design, etc. [08:21] schestowitz because they cannot figure out how to make them profitable [08:22] schestowitz they believe it's "low risk" to outsource [08:22] schestowitz because the other party knows how to maintain X [08:22] vZS1 But developers typically don't have the strategic foresight to evaluate those things [08:22] schestowitz but that other party can shut down X contrary to your interest [08:23] schestowitz it's cheaper in the short term to oursource [08:23] schestowitz and worry about the rest later [08:23] schestowitz provisioning and learning takes time [08:23] schestowitz many news sites perished [08:23] schestowitz because of reliance of unmaintained things [08:24] schestowitz so they went offline [08:24] schestowitz old CMSs [08:24] schestowitz that no longer support X version Y [08:24] schestowitz or some outside parties that went bankrupt [08:24] schestowitz making them too expensive to keep online [08:24] schestowitz Groklaw became "too expensive" I suppose [08:25] schestowitz for the volunteer efforts to keep it repaired and going [08:25] schestowitz so they became static pages [08:25] schestowitz then altogether dead [08:25] schestowitz broken, essentially offline [08:25] schestowitz 7 years later just a fossil site in IA [08:25] vZS1 I know projects that serve billions of requests that run on very low powered hardware. [08:25] vZS1 I have worked on a few myself [08:26] vZS1 Just a tiny cabinet in the basement with broadband [08:26] schestowitz Groklaw was done by a relatively old lady [08:26] vZS1 People think clown computing is cheap until they start to see the bills [08:26] schestowitz and it's not helping when the sole person who cares most about the work is [08:26] scientes vZS1, static pages are like that [08:26] schestowitz 1) non-technical [08:26] scientes but you still need bandwidth [08:27] schestowitz 2) too old to care or to stick around to keep the work available [08:27] scientes and that means avoiding the evil over-priced players like amazon [08:27] scientes scaleway still offers unlimited bandwidth, although their prices went up [08:27] vZS1 For groklaw, that could honestly run on an old laptop with WordPress [08:27] schestowitz [08:26] People think clown computing is cheap until they start to see the bills [08:27] scientes wordpress is horrible [08:27] vZS1 Perfectly adequate [08:27] scientes and is constantly hacked [08:27] schestowitz as much as one or more people's annual salary [08:28] vZS1 With broadband [08:28] scientes just use a static page [08:28] scientes smart people use static web sites [08:28] oiaohm scientes: there are a lot of ways of self hosting static and not having bandwidth trouble if you are willing todo deals with devils like cloudflare. [08:28] scientes no, CDNs are evil [08:28] schestowitz scientes: if those sites are archived, barely changed anymore [08:28] schestowitz BTW, Linux Counter is dead [08:28] scientes if you site is static the internet should cache it [08:28] schestowitz days ago I noticed it had just been hijacked (their domain) [08:29] scientes it is the internet's fault that caching is not a thing [08:29] schestowitz by some German site [08:29] scientes cause the http protocol works fine with caching [08:29] vZS1 One big issue is developers today don't know anything about hardware [08:29] scientes decelopers today don't know anything about anything [08:29] schestowitz there's vested interest in keeping sites hard to maintain [08:29] scientes if you ask me [08:29] schestowitz it helps the monopolies [08:29] scientes ^^^^^^^ [08:29] scientes vested interests [08:30] schestowitz even for static sites they need to do cert renewal [08:30] scientes that's why the web cant cache [08:30] schestowitz and must let every one expire after x months [08:30] scientes because if the web could cache there would be no need for YouTube [08:30] schestowitz so if you add no new stories at all, you still spend many hours keeping track of certs and stuff, hardware upgrades, new versions of frameworks that are not compatible with old stuff [08:30] schestowitz so you hire engineers [08:30] schestowitz unless you are one [08:31] schestowitz and spend thousands dollars [08:31] schestowitz just to keep OLD stuff online [08:31] scientes schestowitz, agreed they keep it difficult [08:31] schestowitz fossil stuff that fewer and fewer people have an interest in... over time [08:31] schestowitz so you go offline eventually... the cost outweighs the benefit [08:31] scientes there is VERY little available on the internet [08:31] scientes most stuff never even got onto the internet [08:31] scientes you have to go to libraries [08:31] vZS1 Hardware is becoming cheaper [08:32] scientes vZS1, but less and less is available [08:32] schestowitz it doesn't last forever [08:32] vZS1 It's becoming easier to self-host [08:32] schestowitz and cheap hardware is RAIDed [08:32] scientes vZS1, not really [08:32] schestowitz go teach people hwo to back up and use puppet etc. [08:32] scientes vZS1, the situation is basically the same it was 10 years ago [08:32] scientes the only that changed is letsencrypt [08:33] schestowitz now their "big browsers" "SHAME" sites without certs [08:33] schestowitz and derank them [08:33] schestowitz even if there's no login form or anything [08:33] scientes schestowitz, that is a google take-over thing [08:33] schestowitz mozilla helps them [08:33] vZS1 This is the thing. Stop worrying about search engines [08:33] schestowitz Microsoft also (I think) [08:33] vZS1 Build real community [08:33] schestowitz Apple... not sure, never tried [08:33] scientes end-to-end encryption is used to solidify the "platform" [08:34] vZS1 People who actually share your things with people they know [08:34] scientes and then they tell you it is for your benifit (privacy) [08:34] scientes but you have no fucking privacy [08:34] vZS1 And interact with you [08:34] scientes I am so tired of companies lying that they care about privacy [08:34] vZS1 In the long run, that's healthier for a project [08:34] schestowitz nope, they harvest your data, then sell it [08:34] scientes Apple is the worst [08:34] scientes they lie, and then they lie, and then they lie [08:34] schestowitz "Apple iPhone is privacy" [08:34] schestowitz the billboard here tell me [08:35] scientes and "privacy" is the reason you can't use the web without encryption [08:35] schestowitz news sites [08:35] schestowitz https [08:35] schestowitz but [08:35] vZS1 Building real community is how to keep a project alive [08:35] schestowitz 30 trackers [08:35] schestowitz over https [08:35] schestowitz and your data sold [08:35] scientes ^^^^^ [08:35] schestowitz now, "THAT'S Privacy" --Aple [08:36] schestowitz Apple [08:36] scientes and yet they say it for your PRIVACY [08:36] scientes and that is why you can't have http [08:36] scientes and dns-over-https [08:36] vZS1 Don't fall for the marketing gimmicks [08:36] vZS1 SEO won't help you [08:36] schestowitz SEO=quacks [08:36] schestowitz the neo-era witchcraft [08:37] schestowitz and snakeoil [08:37] vZS1 "Discoverability" won't help you [08:37] schestowitz RSS helps [08:37] schestowitz search >can< help [08:37] schestowitz in some contextx [08:37] schestowitz we use search a lot to find stories for tuxmachines, but mostly RSS feeds [08:37] vZS1 RSS is good but even then, it's limited. [08:37] schestowitz some feeds are in aggregation sites and in directories [08:37] schestowitz so they still need to be "discovered" somehow [08:38] vZS1 What's more important is being devoted to your product and audience [08:38] schestowitz just being "on the Web" does not even guarantee a search engines will "see" you and then "list" you [08:38] scientes schestowitz, firefox for android (non-beta) does not have about:config [08:38] vZS1 And having high quality standards [08:38] vZS1 And having patience [08:38] schestowitz not always enough [08:38] schestowitz I know many great bogs [08:38] schestowitz blogs [08:38] schestowitz that almost nobody knows abour or read [08:38] schestowitz and that lack of audience kills them [08:39] vZS1 They need to work on distribution [08:39] schestowitz as they stop bothering to spend loads of time researching stories [08:39] schestowitz it's a chicken-egg thing [08:39] schestowitz for some stories you can spent a whole day... if you are guaranteed some level or readership [08:39] schestowitz otherwise, sites will perish [08:39] schestowitz quality down -> no audience- > offline [08:40] vZS1 You need to know how to funnel people to see your stuff in a way that's sustainable [08:40] vZS1 That takes time [08:40] schestowitz true [08:41] vZS1 And is just as important, strategically, as the product you offer [08:41] vZS1 If you don't have both, you will flop [08:41] schestowitz we can afford it thanks to hardware made available to us by suppoortive geeks [08:41] schestowitz in tech this is possible [08:41] schestowitz not in other domains [08:41] vZS1 Yep [08:41] schestowitz say... [08:42] schestowitz you have a nutrition suite [08:42] schestowitz your reader may not be geeks [08:42] schestowitz so you end up paying AWS $1000 a month [08:42] schestowitz for hosting [08:42] schestowitz at bezos' mercy [08:42] schestowitz unless you're lmmrcola or something... [08:42] schestowitz mercola [08:42] vZS1 I don't think that's true though. There are many hosted alternatives [08:43] schestowitz you will have to work hard just to pay the bills [08:43] schestowitz no time to run the site [08:43] schestowitz vZS1: they don't know of these [08:43] schestowitz they use the clown [08:43] schestowitz and overpay [08:43] schestowitz it's over=provisioned [08:43] schestowitz it's over-provisioned [08:44] vZS1 There are companies tripping over each other to provide e-commerce solutions and hosted WordPress [08:44] vZS1 I'm doing some writing on this on the future, actually. For people that aren't techy [08:44] schestowitz they're not cheap [08:44] schestowitz if you need dedicated [08:44] vZS1 There are cheap ones [08:44] schestowitz I inquired 2 years ago [08:44] schestowitz would cost 10k quid for 3 years [08:45] scientes "e-commerce solutions" [08:45] vZS1 I don't know where you're looking [08:45] vZS1 But that's ridiculous [08:45] schestowitz I checked US and UK [08:45] schestowitz for dedicated [08:45] schestowitz they offer that as "managed service [08:45] scientes and WordPress is horrible [08:45] schestowitz to upsell [08:46] scientes all the pressure is to "platforms" [08:46] scientes both on web and android [08:46] schestowitz only solace I get is, [08:46] scientes which only raises the costs to 'NON'-players [08:46] schestowitz all this mess, [08:46] schestowitz wordpress, clown... [08:46] vZS1 You can get a dedicated wordpress solution for as little as 10/month. There are e-commerce solutions like Etsy that offer affordable solutions as well. [08:46] schestowitz it means many sites that 'compete' will perish [08:46] scientes its all about walled-garden delusions [08:46] schestowitz they make bad choices [08:46] scientes instead of producing value [08:46] schestowitz without proper consulation [08:46] schestowitz only "SEO" advice [08:47] schestowitz and some hipsters with "clown" heads [08:47] scientes vZS1, whenever uses that word "solution" I run the other direction [08:47] vZS1 That's the thing. Education is needed. And it's on the way. [08:47] scientes <---- "solution" Me --->>>> [08:47] schestowitz "solution" = sausage factory [08:47] schestowitz I said that on the TV 11 years ago [08:47] schestowitz that's how Novell sold its proprietary crap [08:47] vZS1 I've been consulting many independent creators like artists and craftspeople. [08:48] scientes SAP [08:48] schestowitz it obscures what they offer/sell [08:48] vZS1 Getting a good idea of where they lack education [08:48] scientes SAP is the only company that managed to convince people a "in-memory database" is a thing [08:48] scientes people that have not taken a single computer science class [08:48] schestowitz many of those classes are bad [08:48] schestowitz esp. nowadays [08:48] schestowitz scientes: recently, for work, [08:48] schestowitz we did an LF course [08:48] schestowitz "101" [08:49] scientes of course they are, but you can get a decent one on Coursera [08:49] schestowitz a lot of the terms changed [08:49] scientes the stanford one [08:49] schestowitz buzzwords and laughable abstractions [08:49] schestowitz they don't even teach people basics like network stacks, memory, cpu [08:49] vZS1 Anyway. I'll be working away on all this. Someone needs to do it. [08:49] scientes but seriously...."in-memory database" [08:49] schestowitz many are taught "AWS" [08:49] schestowitz i.e. a GUI [08:49] schestowitz which changes all the time [08:49] scientes how stupid do they think we are? [08:49] vZS1 I've put on my earmuffs to all the negativity [08:50] vZS1 I'm putting TR on IPFS. That's just one of many things I'm doing. [08:50] schestowitz thanks [08:50] scientes oh wow coursera got alot woorse [08:50] vZS1 Yw [08:50] schestowitz yesterday the scripts worked perfectly [08:50] schestowitz I double-checked [08:50] scientes it got infected by all the for-profit university non-sense [08:50] schestowitz soon I will stop manual checks [08:50] vZS1 I've updated the scripts [08:51] schestowitz maybe if for 1 weeks I spot no issues [08:51] vZS1 I'll log in today and set up the new stuff [08:51] schestowitz then I'll chain together the scripts, not having to check manually after each step [08:51] vZS1 I'm just about to check if my new cron setup is working [08:51] vZS1 The one where I implemented logging [08:51] schestowitz today we will post about half a dozen articles about EPO, with internal documents in them [08:52] scientes oh god coursera is evil [08:52] scientes you can't even link to their web-site [08:52] scientes that is what I hate most about HTML-gay [08:52] scientes Version Gay [08:52] schestowitz today I tried linking to an image [08:52] schestowitz [07:52] [Notice] -viera to #techrights- Tux Machines: Linux vs. macOS: 15 Key Differences You Need to Know http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144383 [https://pleroma.site/objects/daa68896-590d-464e-9bf3-3fa9de628e79] [08:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux vs. macOS: 15 Key Differences You Need to Know | Tux Machines [08:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [08:52] schestowitz HotLink "protection" [08:52] schestowitz they literally block a request for an image from their servers [08:53] schestowitz very few sites still do that [08:53] vZS1 Yep [08:53] schestowitz when I used cpanel in 2003 I saw that as an option [08:53] scientes schestowitz, not as bad as lazy-loading images on blogs [08:53] scientes that waste your time [08:53] schestowitz they 'save bandwidth' where it actually hurts their site [08:53] schestowitz like people who link to them\ [08:53] scientes schestowitz, and the only reason they do that is because Amazon over-charges them for bandwidth, and then concinces them they are getting a good price [08:54] schestowitz aha [08:54] schestowitz well, eventually I grabbed an image from wikipedia [08:54] schestowitz and linked to that insted [08:54] schestowitz it would be better if I could use the site's own feature image [08:54] schestowitz but cannot hotlink [08:54] schestowitz this is self-harming [08:54] scientes all those "cloud" services are 95% marketing [08:55] schestowitz targeting clown CIOs [08:55] schestowitz lawyers do the same [08:55] schestowitz "let us worry about it for you" [08:55] schestowitz just pay us 10 grand [08:55] scientes schestowitz, it is also because people are using windows, so Amazon sells Linux and pretends it is them [08:55] schestowitz and "peace of mind" [08:55] scientes and people go WOW, I can do so much! [08:55] schestowitz that's "clown computing" pattern of marketing [08:55] schestowitz we offer "SO-lu-hen" [08:55] schestowitz "shen [08:55] schestowitz and let's talk about billing later [08:56] schestowitz when you exceed the introductory ties [08:56] scientes they also force you to have open-ended credit card liability [08:56] scientes all the "cloud" services do that [08:56] schestowitz then we can facilitate installment payments ;-) [08:56] schestowitz "credit' [08:56] scientes they act like drug-dealers [08:56] scientes ...hehe, when do you get your pay check? [08:56] schestowitz aha [08:56] schestowitz when people are making ends meet [08:56] schestowitz barely [08:56] schestowitz been there [08:57] schestowitz someone who lived with me a few weeks [08:57] scientes land-lords do the same thing [08:57] schestowitz and avoided paying her share of rent [08:57] scientes I've been to London, it is the same homeless problem as the US [08:57] schestowitz London is expensive [08:57] scientes and the politicians are responsible for the problem [08:58] schestowitz but in LA I heard they have 50,000 homeless [08:58] schestowitz nothing near to that here [08:58] schestowitz like communes of trailer parks and tents [08:58] scientes yeah, but I saw it---I was in PERU and they don't have that problem [08:58] schestowitz it'll get worse under Biden [08:58] schestowitz Trump is golfing while COVID spreads like fire [08:58] scientes lots of beggers, few homeless [08:58] schestowitz necessitating urgent lockdown [08:58] scientes the politicians never cut the fat of the parasites [08:59] scientes like the land-lords [08:59] scientes because they are the parasites ● Nov 15 [09:01] vZS1 schestowitz: the logging works. (: [09:01] scientes California actually had a initiative to allow governments to set maximum rent [09:01] scientes and cool the bubble [09:01] scientes which would have collapsed in 2008 had the banks not been nationalized [09:04] vZS1 I'll log into the Pi later today to set everything up [09:05] vZS1 Will ping you when I'm done [09:05] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [09:07] schestowitz cheers [09:07] schestowitz I made a full backup of the accoung yesterday [09:07] schestowitz pi>laptop>external HDD overnight [09:07] schestowitz 4TB drive [09:08] schestowitz in case the naked ip devices gets fried or something [09:08] vZS1 That's a lot of storage [09:08] schestowitz I need to do soldering on it [09:08] schestowitz when we end lockdown [09:08] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [09:08] schestowitz lots of assembly still required, I was sent extensions for it [09:08] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:09] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [09:09] vZS1 Do you have the backup on a cron job? [09:09] schestowitz no [09:09] vZS1 Ah okay [09:10] schestowitz I would need to put private keys [09:10] schestowitz and you have access to that account to [09:10] schestowitz *too [09:10] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:11] vZS1 I have a few systems that I manually back up as well. Semi-manual. I've written scripts for them but I just execute the scripts manually [09:11] schestowitz Finishing work now..., 9am was working since 1am [09:19] schestowitz ok, free now [09:19] schestowitz I'll do articles in a bit [09:19] schestowitz while posting political things read in-between [09:20] schestowitz vZS1: here's the thing [09:20] schestowitz I have 4 steps now [09:20] schestowitz 1. generate IRC logs after midnight [09:20] schestowitz those come from the local laptop [09:20] schestowitz 2. then, generate the text bulletins [09:20] schestowitz it uses curl+wget [09:21] schestowitz and must be run when server load is low, to avoid missing articles [09:21] schestowitz 3. add 5 new objects to IPFS from raspi [09:22] schestowitz 4. update html and text index for IPFS@techrights [09:22] schestowitz I can chain together 1 and 2, 3 and 4 [09:22] schestowitz but not all 4 as they're run from different machines [09:22] schestowitz and if any of the steps fails, the ones that follow will do something wrong/incomplete [09:22] schestowitz so I might make that more verbose in the command line, to highlight issue if they occur [09:23] schestowitz *issues [09:27] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:27] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [09:36] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:37] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:39] schestowitz Pfizer CEO Dumped $5.6 Million in Stock on Day of Encouraging #Vaccine News https://truthout.org/articles/pfizer-ceo-dumped-5-6-million-in-stock-on-day-of-encouraging-vaccine-news/ Pfizer , for example, spent $139bn (112bn) on share buybacks. http://techrights.org/2019/10/14/the-stupidest-policy-ever/ [09:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Pfizer CEO Dumped $5.6 Million in Stock on Day of Encouraging Vaccine News [09:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Stupidest [Patent/Tax] Policy Ever | Techrights [09:47] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [09:47] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Nov 15 [10:25] *inky (~inky@46.241.169.46) has joined #techrights [10:34] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:34] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:51] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:54] vZS1 schestowitz: I'm making a new git repo in my account that does the ipfs updating automatically. ● Nov 15 [11:12] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:12] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:24] oiaohm schestowitz: some how I am not supprised. Australia has currently 6 different possible suppliers of a Vaccine. Soon we should be hitting 7 days without any detectable community spread. [11:25] oiaohm Just because you have a encouraging vaccine does not mean you will not have insane competition pushing the price down if it works. [11:26] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:26] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc01:200:393b:7d1b:915d:b337) has joined #techrights [11:27] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:27] vZS1 schestowitz: I've set up the automation in a Git repo called ipfs_bot [11:27] vZS1 It's in my home directory [11:27] vZS1 There's a cron job running as well. [11:28] vZS1 Everything will be logged in /var/log/syslog [11:29] vZS1 Individual scripts start with their own TRACE_ID (which is just sha256 sum of a timestamp) [11:29] vZS1 Logging for individual scripts* [11:30] vZS1 So you can just grep for the TRACE_ID to find log lines that are related. [11:31] vZS1 I've set up the cron job to run hourly. Don't change anything in that repo [11:31] vZS1 I'll monitor it for a day or two to make sure everything is working projekt [11:32] vZS1 s/projekt/properly [11:32] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [11:32] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [11:32] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:35] vZS1 schestowitz: you don't need to worry about pinning stuff anymore. That repo and cron job will take care of it for you. Just push updates to techrights.org/ipfs/txt, and the rest will take care of itself. ● Nov 15 [12:38] oiaohm https://people.com/home/ring-recalls-350000-doorbells-caught-fire/ Not just a security threat. [12:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ring Recalls Over 350K Doorbells After Some Catch Fire | PEOPLE.com [12:45] MinceR :> [12:46] MinceR the bmw of doorbells [12:46] MinceR or the iphone of doorbells [12:59] schestowitz vZS1: excellent! ● Nov 15 [13:02] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144385 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f7e87eca-02f2-4639-a3a7-4164cf3a45a4] [13:05] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 4 Best Free and Open Source Linux FTP Servers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144386 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fbf72792-0857-4afc-8588-7faa3351c512] [13:07] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PCLinuxOS upgrades Calibre and Freetube http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141761#comment-27146 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4a5e6a63-7c8b-411e-9ef7-518416d834dc] [13:11] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: American Truck Simulator - Colorado, Warhammer 40,000: Gladius - Craftworld Aeldari, Valve/Collabora http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144387 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d5d4d9fc-7101-4acd-abaa-962375b7c0c1] [13:12] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PinePhone KDE Community Edition Launches with Plasma Mobile UI, Convergence http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144384 [https://pleroma.site/objects/03685052-1764-4521-a5be-2ba8f9e349c7] [13:15] vZS1 schestowitz: I don't have privs to check /var/log/syslog but you should be able to handle things from here. 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[15:16] DaemonFC[m] Just get an insurance policy. They don't have to be really expensive. [15:17] DaemonFC[m] Even with cameras everywhere, the Chicago Police don't actually solve many break ins. [15:17] DaemonFC[m] They don't work the cases, but the cameras can spy on you and that's not good. [15:17] schestowitz at least the smart fire alarm might work [15:17] schestowitz does that too catch on fire? [15:17] schestowitz oh, here: [15:18] schestowitz it a smart fire alarm catches on fire [15:18] schestowitz does it detect itself? [15:18] schestowitz and, does it still work well enough to detect ITSELF being on fire? [15:18] schestowitz Let that sink in... and then sink the fire alarm i water [15:19] schestowitz ^ too many typos [15:19] schestowitz but many still possible to folow [15:19] schestowitz *llow [15:20] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 15/11/2020: The LibreOffice Calc Guide 7.0 and PinePhone KDE Community Edition http://techrights.org/2020/11/15/pinephone-kde-community-edition/at [https://pleroma.site/objects/3a41253f-9386-4bc0-b86b-527d890a4fb6] [15:26] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) ● Nov 15 [16:11] *zjmc_ (~jmc@87.101.92.171) has left #techrights [16:21] *zjmc_ (~jmc@104.254.90.195) has joined #techrights [16:21] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [16:21] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [16:23] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:25] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Nov 15 [17:06] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I said something about Ring on Facebook and that was part of the delusional rant about how I supposedly wanted their dog to bite me, from the in-laws. [17:06] DaemonFC[m] They acted like I was some kind of chiseler who was casing them for some sort of robbery or pratfall lawsuit. [17:06] DaemonFC[m] It was very insulting. [17:07] DaemonFC[m] They're just extremely paranoid. They have cameras in every room in their house even though there's really nothing a thief would want anywhere in sight. [17:08] DaemonFC[m] Their furniture even looks like it came out of a thrift shop (like they bought junk and it has 10 years or more of wear on it). [17:08] DaemonFC[m] But they feel like they need cameras everywhere. [17:08] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I made a remark to Maricel at one point. [17:09] DaemonFC[m] I said, "Oh nobody in Indiana has a security system. If someone breaks in you shoot them and there's not going to be a big investigation into whether the people who meant to do you harm were a victim or something.". [17:09] DaemonFC[m] She was talking about Indiana like only a bunch of rubes would live there. [17:10] DaemonFC[m] I said, "Well, Ring doorbells don't deter crime at all, but if you know you'll be shot....Let's jsut say there's not too many break ins where I'm from.". [17:10] DaemonFC[m] That's one thing where the Republicans are absolutely right. Shoot them and they'll never hurt anyone again. [17:11] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m] agrees with republicans only when it's something ultra violent or evil [17:11] DaemonFC[m] If the Democrats spent half as much time trying to solve crime as they do coming up with justifications for why those black people saw fit to take your car at gunpoint, we'd all be a lot better off. [17:11] CrystalMath just like every other US democrat :P [17:12] CrystalMath the part of america that i hate is DaemonFC[m] and people like DaemonFC[m] [17:12] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I'm widely hated by both sides just because I don't fall in line on every single policy position. [17:13] DaemonFC[m] I'd say that economically, I'm fairly progressive, and socially I lean towards Libertarianism. [17:13] DaemonFC[m] I think those indoor smoking ban laws are fine, because if you want to go do something stupid, great. 20 feet from the door. Because that's the point where it's affecting you and not everyone else. [17:14] DaemonFC[m] I voted for Bernie Sanders twice in the Democratic primary. [17:14] DaemonFC[m] I never supported Trump at all. Ever. [17:14] DaemonFC[m] You know what's wrong with black people? Well, plenty, but you want to know what's really wrong with them? [17:15] DaemonFC[m] They supported right-wing Democrats who called them Super Predators and said throw away the key or just blast them with a shotgun. [17:15] DaemonFC[m] Instead of the guy who would have given them pretty much everything they could ever want. [17:16] DaemonFC[m] Trump went right for the throat with that, both times. You know that, right? [17:16] DaemonFC[m] He played the Clinton Super Predator clip over and over. [17:16] DaemonFC[m] He called out Biden for the Crime Bill and a bunch else. [17:17] CrystalMath i believe in individualism (economic and social) but i'm not a racist at all [17:17] CrystalMath i think black people are the same inside as white people, or asians [17:17] CrystalMath i think we're all the same inside [17:17] CrystalMath except we're also full of differences in thinking [17:17] CrystalMath but these are individual differences [17:18] CrystalMath it's not possible to group them really [17:18] XRevan86 CrystalMath: In the US there's this cultural weirdness. But DaemonFC[m] appealing to that is annoying. [17:18] CrystalMath especially not tie them with physical features [17:18] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, but they just vote for the people who did the really fucked up shit that made a complete mess. [17:18] DaemonFC[m] And then because they did that, I ended up voting for Biden because it was that or Donald Trump. [17:19] DaemonFC[m] The media was looking for justification for picking Biden. They said Sanders would have been down a couple points vs Biden in Michigan and Wisconsin. We'll never know if that's true or not. [17:20] DaemonFC[m] But Sanders did a lot better in other states, like Ohio and Iowa. [17:20] DaemonFC[m] So he may well have won everything Biden did and then some. [17:20] DaemonFC[m] Nobody ever brings up that possibility. [17:20] XRevan86 Primaries are not a democratic procedure anyway. [17:20] DaemonFC[m] No they're not. [17:21] DaemonFC[m] And what went down in Illinois was just fucked up in so many ways. [17:21] DaemonFC[m] The "STAY IN YOUR HOUSE" "Oh, we'll have a primary, in-person, right this very minute." primary was a complete scam. [17:22] DaemonFC[m] The only good part about that is that it seems it may have been the end of Dan Lipinski in Congress. [17:22] DaemonFC[m] Marie Newman won IL-3, and she was endorsed by Sanders and Richard Stallman. [17:22] DaemonFC[m] The state didn't put voting booths in nursing homes for obvious reasons. [17:23] DaemonFC[m] So all of those old fucks who kept around that damned DINO were caught off guard and many didn't end up voting. [17:23] DaemonFC[m] But that's what it took to get rid of him. [17:23] DaemonFC[m] The media is fixated on the Democrats losing a net of 5 House seats. [17:23] DaemonFC[m] But I'd say it's effectively more like 4 because Lipinski was voting with the Republicans most of the time from a strongly Democratic district. [17:24] DaemonFC[m] There's just no reason to entertain that. The Republicans are very good at whipping their party into voting together. [17:24] DaemonFC[m] And in a close vote, having someone like Lipinski lingering might cost us something. 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[20:29] aindilis it took 2 days + > 30GB to install [20:29] aindilis I will post some sample output here [20:31] aindilis This is it run on the wikipedia page for the movie Aladdin 2019: https://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/en_full.cs [20:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring. [20:32] aindilis we're doing an informal counter-propaganda project (and this is one tool we're looking into) if anyone is interested in joining up [20:33] schestowitz sounds interesting, was it not done before? [20:33] aindilis well I'm sure the US govt is doing it [20:34] schestowitz and calling it "hey hi" [20:34] schestowitz maybe palantir etc. [20:34] schestowitz facebook also [20:34] aindilis yeah, those types [20:34] schestowitz they do lots of social graphs and sell those [20:34] schestowitz Microsoft gets free, direct access [20:34] schestowitz FB+Microsoft are a tie-up [20:34] aindilis (we're trying to monitor right-wing propaganda with it) [20:34] aindilis This is sort of the endgame: https://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/ComprehensiveTKBInCyc.pdf [20:35] schestowitz that assumes no pseudonyms and such [20:36] schestowitz unless you interpolate from "open source intel" [20:36] schestowitz like looking for aliases and names shares across the Web [20:36] aindilis (I've wanted to make a distributed intel-agency in a box for citizens) [20:36] schestowitz RecordedFutures [20:37] aindilis interesting [20:37] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recorded_Future [20:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Recorded Future - Wikipedia [20:38] schestowitz "The company received initial funding from Google and In-Q-Tel, as reported in a July 2010 introduction to Recorded Future published by Wired.[2] " [20:38] schestowitz CIA and Google [20:38] schestowitz as if it's the same [20:38] schestowitz makes one wonder [20:38] aindilis no astonishment here [20:38] schestowitz hi Google, hi CIA, thanks for the money [20:38] schestowitz now let's go mine some IRC channels [20:38] schestowitz and bitbuckets [20:38] aindilis heh yeah [20:39] aindilis well I'll keep you posted on this project. I've been trying to get KBP/KBC going for forever (like at least 2008), I think I finally got a workable system going *today* [20:39] schestowitz 450 employees now [20:39] schestowitz sponsored by CIA and Google [20:40] aindilis I'm trying to democratize this stuff [20:44] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LabPlot 2.8.1 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144397 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c69f7161-7760-4b64-a9a9-b34ee0894227] [20:47] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Photoflare Image Editor 1.6.6 Released, #HowTo Install via PPA http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144398 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dba3b84b-1da2-4b7c-92db-4928a54a5142] [20:51] schestowitz vZS1: http://current.workingdirectory.net/posts/2020/cacert/ [20:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-current.workingdirectory.net | Being your own Certificate Authority [20:54] vZS1 Nice quick tutorial for beginners ● Nov 15 [21:02] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144399 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7f91793e-dd25-453a-9f8f-141bbf669f41] [21:05] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:08] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wayland Status for Plasma 5.20 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144400 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c592b08d-29c9-465e-9e90-65633a3074ed] [21:19] *acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [21:22] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [21:25] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Feren OS 2020.11, Codeweavers, Tg as a Telegram Client http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144401 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bfb65728-c9c0-4268-9048-6bf260e3f2e0] [21:30] *libertybox (~schestowi@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:30] -NickServ-acer-box!~acer-box@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [21:30] *acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights ● Nov 15 [22:19] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:21] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: My Cheap Computer for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144402 [https://pleroma.site/objects/77ef7512-4ae5-4bec-946f-889e4c73b63b] [22:22] schestowitz vZS1: chaining the scripts now [22:37] vZS1 Good stuff [22:47] schestowitz I will use sshpass now [22:52] schestowitz will test at midnight [22:52] schestowitz if everything at my local laptop can be done with one click only [22:52] schestowitz later will do the same on the pi-side [22:52] schestowitz one step at a time for now, to avoid complicating the debugging [22:55] vZS1 I'm asleep when you usually update the CID index [22:55] vZS1 But I'll check to make sure the setup I did today is working [22:56] vZS1 If you check syslog, you should see the hourly log entries from my bot [22:56] schestowitz idea: [22:56] schestowitz updates several times per day for index of text [22:56] schestowitz so they grow over time [22:56] schestowitz until 5am [22:57] schestowitz trouble is, some expect that to be for "yesterday" [22:57] vZS1 My bot checks the index hourly, so that shouldn't be an issue [22:57] schestowitz though they can grow cumulatively [22:57] schestowitz like [22:57] schestowitz /txt being "past 24 hours" [22:57] schestowitz now cid index [22:57] schestowitz techrights.org/txt ● Nov 15 [23:00] schestowitz or... [23:00] schestowitz make that yesterday+so far today [23:00] vZS1 I wouldn't mess with the url [23:00] schestowitz like a sliding window [23:00] vZS1 It would break automation downstream [23:00] vZS1 If you want different indices, use a new URL [23:01] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: November 15th, 2020 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144403 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b9fac231-acf8-488e-9df0-8533eb436adb] [23:02] schestowitz yeah, I guess that would complicate archiving [23:02] schestowitz let's see how many requests for it [23:03] vZS1 You get at least 24 from me every day [23:03] vZS1 Because my Pi requests hourly [23:03] schestowitz 16,660 the past week for ipfs [23:04] schestowitz 6,652 for /txt [23:04] schestowitz txt-archives 833 [23:05] vZS1 So 2380 per day, for IPFS CID index [23:05] schestowitz yes [23:05] schestowitz when did we start? [23:05] vZS1 A lot of that is probably scheduled bots like I have [23:06] vZS1 I don't remember [23:06] vZS1 Look at the oldest CID [23:06] schestowitz what other improvements can be made? [23:07] schestowitz I will need to change the scripts a bit after the server moves (when Ariadne is next around) [23:07] vZS1 26 October [23:07] schestowitz that's for plain text files [23:07] vZS1 Bulletin [23:07] schestowitz those predate the pi arriving :-) [23:07] vZS1 Ah [23:07] schestowitz I thought we might do gopher [23:08] schestowitz but gopher would do nothing against centralisation [23:08] schestowitz just culling bloat and stuff [23:08] schestowitz not even great for privacy [23:08] vZS1 I think we're good now [23:08] vZS1 No need for feature creep [23:08] schestowitz I very much doubt people would use sftp or bbs for their reading [23:08] vZS1 Keep it simple and stupid [23:08] schestowitz so those are hypothetical options for protocols to support [23:09] vZS1 Focus on giving us content now [23:09] vZS1 Distribution problem is solved [23:09] schestowitz The idea is to reach an audience without bad practices [23:09] schestowitz like javascript and css [23:09] schestowitz rss has always been there [23:09] schestowitz atom/xml [23:10] schestowitz now we have text over http [23:10] schestowitz ipfs [23:10] schestowitz irc does not contain the actual contents [23:10] schestowitz just link to it [23:10] vZS1 I pin your full index so if your Pi goes down, at least you know mine is serving [23:10] schestowitz which necessitates a Web browser [23:11] schestowitz do you know anything or anyone still using bbs? [23:11] vZS1 I think a friend of mine in the US also pins your full index [23:11] schestowitz I hear they exist [23:11] schestowitz but no idea how many [23:11] vZS1 BBS? [23:11] schestowitz yeah [23:11] schestowitz still possible to run those [23:11] vZS1 Please define [23:12] schestowitz serving a site over bbs [23:12] schestowitz connect to address, get stream of data [23:12] schestowitz not sure bbs even supports unicode lol [23:12] schestowitz it would be a salad of bad character [23:12] schestowitz for "smart" quotes and stuff [23:12] schestowitz unless prefiltered [23:14] vZS1 Oh [23:14] vZS1 Bulletin [23:14] schestowitz let's research [23:14] schestowitz I have spare time [23:15] vZS1 I don't think supporting anything else is a wise use of resources [23:15] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system [23:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Bulletin board system - Wikipedia [23:15] vZS1 We already have a distribution system [23:15] schestowitz uses telnet [23:16] schestowitz we do, yes.. [23:16] schestowitz but I thought, maybe for fun [23:16] schestowitz though telnet is not secure [23:16] schestowitz I would not install telnet on a machine that's not a honeypot [23:16] vZS1 I'd focus more on getting readers to pin your stuff [23:16] vZS1 That's the next step [23:17] vZS1 To prevent censorship and make the content more accessible [23:17] schestowitz https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/bbs/list/brief/ [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telnetbbsguide.com | Brief | Telnet BBS Guide [23:17] schestowitz vZS1: ok, yeah, I give up on this telnet route anyway [23:17] schestowitz as soon as I realise what it takes in 2020 to mess around with bbs [23:18] vZS1 I can write a makefile that configures a Techrights ipfs mirror [23:18] vZS1 Based on the work I've done for you [23:19] vZS1 To make the bot accessible to non-programmers [23:19] vZS1 Who still use Linux [23:19] vZS1 GNU/Linux [23:19] vZS1 Or BSD even [23:22] oiaohm schestowitz: I know the citidel/ux software does support Unicode but there site has become mega broken. BBS software some of it support unicode. [23:23] vZS1 But basically, you should remind your readers every now and then that all the bulletins and logs are available on IPFS [23:24] vZS1 Advertise the TR IPFS CID index on the front page of the site [23:25] vZS1 Start weaning yourself off wordpress [23:25] vZS1 It's not sustainable [23:25] vZS1 Too much heavy infrastructure required [23:26] oiaohm schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BBS_software#Unix_and_compatible fairly much all the Unix based BBS software had UTF-8 support. Of course this could cause those on dos using dial up in a major nightmare. [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of BBS software - Wikipedia [23:28] vZS1 Don't waste your time with alternatives [23:29] vZS1 You've already got something that works in IPFS [23:29] schestowitz I was merely curious [23:29] schestowitz finished reading [23:29] schestowitz it's not worth it [23:29] vZS1 I know [23:29] vZS1 Just saying [23:29] schestowitz nostalgia only [23:29] vZS1 Give us the writing we really need [23:29] schestowitz we've mentioned the desktop client [23:30] schestowitz let me try something like it.. [23:30] *Blukunfando (~bkf@8.red-83-42-109.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) has joined #techrights [23:31] vZS1 I'm heading to bed now. Look forward to today's bulletin [23:34] schestowitz ok [23:34] schestowitz cheers [23:36] oiaohm schestowitz: going forwards I do kind of agree going away from dynamic generation where possible does reduce down reduce down security problems and increase serving options. [23:36] *zjmc_ (~jmc@104.254.90.195) has left #techrights [23:37] oiaohm Of course lot of sites cannot be 100 percent static. [23:37] schestowitz oh, wow, those bbs servers still work [23:37] schestowitz and debian already has telnet installed [23:39] oiaohm Some countries by dialup to bbs is still in active usage. [23:39] oiaohm Its tech people think that only old movie thing yet its a current day thing as well. [23:41] schestowitz just connected to a bunch of telnet servers [23:41] schestowitz many are still alive [23:41] schestowitz https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/bbs/list/brief/ [23:41] schestowitz anyhoo [23:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telnetbbsguide.com | Brief | Telnet BBS Guide [23:41] schestowitz back to earth, let me try my ipfs client [23:42] oiaohm Most have got rid of their phone lines. [23:42] oiaohm Most have migrated to one of the ones that runs on Linux. [23:43] schestowitz can it not be emulated? [23:47] schestowitz https://blog.infura.io/an-introduction-to-ipfs/ [23:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.infura.io | An Introduction to IPFS (Interplanetary File System) | Infura Blog | Tutorials, Case Studies, News, Feature Announcements [23:47] schestowitz "During Infuras four-plus years, we have worked to provide developers with a simplified access path to Ethereum and IPFS. By setting up the first public IPFS APIs and Gateway alongside our Ethereum API, we built a foundational Web3 development suite for building decentralized applications. By supporting IPFS as part of our infrastructure offering, weve enabled the storage of documents, art assets, music, videos, social network [23:47] schestowitz information, photos, and more for thousands of users, not to mention distributed, secure storage for the front-end of some of the earliest Dapps. Our IPFS service supports pinning and accessing pinned content directly via the Infura API and allows users to access data pinned across the IPFS network via the Gateway. Currently, we host over 74 million unique objects and handle over 4.5 TB of data transfer per day. ' [23:55] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:55] schestowitz sad that ipfs does so much promotion for proprietary software github [23:55] schestowitz even in its documentation [23:55] schestowitz they preach dweb [23:56] schestowitz and moving away from monopolies [23:56] schestowitz but then host everything on Microsoft servers, proprietary, centralised [23:56] schestowitz makes no sense, a bit of an own goal gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-151120.txt

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