●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, November 12, 2020 ●● ● Nov 12 [00:03] MinceR all of the EU is pretty toothless [00:12] schestowitz sadly [00:30] schestowitz http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt updated, vZS1 [00:30] schestowitz I made several notable improvements, though some would consider them not improvements [00:31] schestowitz adjustment of decorations horizontally [00:31] schestowitz vertically some spacing added [00:31] schestowitz more use of unicode [00:31] schestowitz recent CIDs index [00:31] schestowitz some bug fixes also [00:32] schestowitz http://techrights.org/txt [00:32] schestowitz tested in fireofx, falkon, bash/cli, kate [00:32] *sebsebseb (~sebsebseb@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights [00:32] sebsebseb MinceR: Apple [00:32] schestowitz hi, sebsebseb [00:32] MinceR sebsebseb: Dehomag [00:33] sebsebseb schestowitz: I wasnt going to come here just now but just read something, and its similar to how i feel part of it [00:33] sebsebseb schestowitz: MinceR stupid pandemic that ruins relationships [00:34] sebsebseb https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19_support/comments/gevlaa/this_pandemic_ruined_a_budding_relationship_and_i/ [00:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | This pandemic ruined a budding relationship and I just wanna rant about it : COVID19_support [00:35] sebsebseb schestowitz: MinceR I am in limbo still get feelings for my ex at times, despite all the issues that were, and cant properly move on currentlly, since things are still generally messed up a lot [00:43] schestowitz sebsebseb: in what sense? [00:44] schestowitz I suppose if you do not live together, it'll complicate things [00:44] schestowitz not to mention people who hope to be dating other people [00:44] schestowitz they can even get fined [00:45] sebsebseb schestowitz: yeah it was the day before lock down and she broke up online etc [00:46] sebsebseb schestowitz: covd stuff helped ruin things in the end, since she thought was just a flue [00:46] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/c20dcd900fde5f7e.jpg [00:46] sebsebseb schestowitz: its been months but still get fdeelings at times, things werent meant to end how they did, with a big no contact and not like that [00:47] sebsebseb schestowitz: also thigs may of ended by now but it may of been more on my terms otherwuise [00:47] schestowitz covid can also be an excuse [00:48] sebsebseb or in a more usual way some how [00:48] schestowitz for people to reject unwanted dates [00:48] schestowitz "i have covid, goodbye... stay away from me" [00:49] sebsebseb schestowitz: well she was different from most people in certain ways, and their were issues at times for sure, but also had good times [00:49] schestowitz seems off topic for this channel anyway [00:49] schestowitz tbh [00:49] sebsebseb schestowitz: no she didnt get covid, or that i kow, she didnt understand that more than just a flue etc, the economy doesnt just mostly close down [00:50] sebsebseb schestowitz: so yeah I get a ex gf, but I still get Linux, I still have Tux [00:50] sebsebseb schestowitz: oh Tux has been there for me since 2004 [00:51] sebsebseb Tux doesnt just disaper on me [00:51] sebsebseb and he likes to tease MinceR by being used with System D! [00:52] MinceR what's next? cutting off your ears and nose to tease me? [00:52] sebsebseb MinceR: nope Tux wants to keep those :?) [00:53] sebsebseb MinceR: but you can offend him by cutting them off his image in The GIMP [00:54] sebsebseb But yes Tux been there for so long, but to be honest, I am not attracted to him as much anymore, I am losing interest in certain ways [00:58] sebsebseb MinceR: Apple is trying to look attractive to MinceR [00:58] sebsebseb with the lip stick and everything [00:59] MinceR they're doing it wrong [00:59] MinceR (audio:important) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/699564.mp4 ● Nov 12 [01:00] sebsebseb MinceR: yes roads in the pre pandemic [01:01] MinceR also during the pandemic, in budapest [01:01] sebsebseb MinceR: roads before we all got put into this well parrel world in certain ways [01:01] MinceR almost everyone pretends there's no pandemic here [01:01] MinceR there was a short period in the spring when the city was almost usable [01:01] MinceR well, at least as far as getting to places in a car was concerned [01:02] sebsebseb MinceR: yes there was a period in the spring with a mostly empty car park around the corner [01:02] MinceR rat-lickers were already congregating on street corners so you couldn't avoid the virions spraying out of their pork-traps [01:02] sebsebseb MinceR: sadly in tgis new world i am single again [01:03] sebsebseb MinceR: and looks like will be for months to come, quite likly years [01:04] sebsebseb MinceR: but Tux will still be there for ne if i want him to be uh [01:11] oiaohm Really when a relationship ends people always find some third party excuse so its not one of them at fault. [01:12] oiaohm You see the same kind of thing used to attempt explain domestic violence. [01:13] MinceR if someone doesn't want to blame themselves and doesn't want to blame someone they used to love, that's the remaining option [01:14] sebsebseb oiaohm: oh yeah this one was veery stubborn, always thought she was right even if she was actually wrong, and coudnt see the other side to things # [01:14] oiaohm But its a dangerous pattern not to accept the possibility that you are at fault. [01:15] oiaohm sebsebseb: of course you would not have done everything right either. [01:15] MinceR there are many dangerous patterns in human minds [01:15] sebsebseb oiaohm: thought i was intentionally annoying her at times even, when actually i said certain things because i cared about her [01:17] oiaohm That got all the marking of communication failure. Yours and hers communications patterns were not compadible. [01:17] sebsebseb oiaohm: also had break up threats at times, when she wasnt just gettig some things her way, and going on about covid a week online didnt help [01:17] oiaohm That 100 percent a releationship you don't want to be in long term. [01:18] oiaohm Threats to get ones way is a really bad sign. [01:18] sebsebseb oiaohm: she had a disability and such too, [01:19] sebsebseb oiaohm: their were lots of problems in the end , and it wasnt a usual relationship, far from it really, but rather have some contact with her, than none at all [01:19] oiaohm I have worked around disabled first thing you are told don't give them any allowance for bad behaviour because of the disablity. [01:19] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/699821.jpg [01:20] oiaohm Even items like ticks can be corrected with stub treatment. [01:20] oiaohm To a point. [01:20] MinceR i correct ticks with a pair of tweezers [01:21] MinceR except in doom3, there i used a machinegun instead [01:21] oiaohm Yes working in rehabilitation at a time you at times feel like you are a complete ass and then 12 months latter they are thanking you for it because it works. [01:21] sebsebseb oiaohm: it was nice having her over usuallly, and doing things togetheer, although she would get eayilly annoyed over the slightest things as things got generally more serious [01:22] oiaohm This is one of these things humans be it female or male always have the idea they can correct the person they have interest in faults as in it will get better. [01:23] oiaohm When in reality a person can only correct their own faults if they are interested to. [01:23] sebsebseb oiaohm: yes she might reolise one day that I said certain things at times because i generally cared about her, her general well being etc, although things that at the time may of not sounded that nice some of it etc [01:24] sebsebseb oiaohm: maybe should pm a bit actually :) [01:25] oiaohm More likely she will just find someone who enabled her to keep her bad absustive behavour and need a completely disaster relationship before waking up. [01:26] sebsebseb oiaohm: i think with the previous guy she had things pretty much her way, but even there things didnt go that well towards the end of that, hece wanting to start something with me so quickly [01:28] *gde33 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:28] *gde34 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:29] DaemonFC[m] I do like the fact that Wireguard is so small. [01:31] schestowitz in Linux it is [01:31] schestowitz in terms of lines of code [01:31] schestowitz but that does not mean it cannot be bloated [01:31] schestowitz or flawed [01:31] schestowitz it makes it harder to sneak in malicious things into it, undetected [01:32] schestowitz but then you consider Linux bloat and antifeatures [01:32] schestowitz including DRM [01:32] schestowitz so you can't really tell what >really< goes on in that kernel, in practice, with binary drivers and firmware and all [01:33] schestowitz MinceR: clever [01:33] schestowitz the joke [01:34] schestowitz though those most likely to find it offensive won't "get it" [01:34] MinceR :> [01:34] MinceR that's the way it usually is [01:35] schestowitz [00:50] schestowitz: oh Tux has been there for me since 2004 [01:35] schestowitz Tux died [01:35] schestowitz it's owned by monopolies now [01:35] schestowitz and exploited by the LF as their front [01:35] schestowitz better to focus on GNU while it lasts [01:35] schestowitz seeing FSF and FSFE aren't functioning too well as of late [01:35] schestowitz MinceR: hurry up, finish up your humour [01:36] schestowitz some kids in India have run out of it [01:36] schestowitz and they're not laughing [01:36] *XRevan86 is offended by not getting the joke. [01:36] XRevan86 An offensively hard to get joke. [01:36] MinceR https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--oFfL4-2K--/t_Preview/b_rgb:191919,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1522351167/production/designs/2541934_0.jpg [01:37] schestowitz humour that offends was a think in the 90s [01:37] schestowitz it could be done without fear [01:37] schestowitz and without a black having to be the one using the N word etc. [01:38] schestowitz now a lot of potentially funny jokes can be spun as racist [01:38] schestowitz unless one jokes about one's own race [01:40] XRevan86 schestowitz: Trump and Arabs are of the same race. [01:40] schestowitz here's the thing about race [01:40] schestowitz I don't get it [01:40] schestowitz neither do geneticists [01:41] schestowitz some say it's a largely man-made concept as is, in the way it's assessd [01:41] schestowitz you could talk about genetic deviations [01:41] schestowitz but then again nobody is identical [01:41] XRevan86 It's a loose clarification that will get less and less useful with time. [01:41] MinceR there's an orange race? [01:41] schestowitz and you could assess chromosomes and measures kinship or similarity [01:41] schestowitz MinceR: in Ireland [01:41] MinceR :> [01:41] schestowitz also a political party [01:42] MinceR i mean with orange skin, not orange hair [01:42] schestowitz XRevan86: I've just checked the border between n korea and russia [01:42] schestowitz I realise the river is the border [01:42] schestowitz and you could do 10km runs across the border [01:42] schestowitz on the waterside even [01:42] schestowitz I wonder if Russians in that area share an east asian kind of look [01:43] schestowitz Like some Kamchatkans [01:43] schestowitz or Eskimos [01:43] schestowitz and I wonder why that border even exists. Did China and Russia settle on sharing that border/area? [01:43] XRevan86 schestowitz: Of course, the native population didn't just vanish. [01:44] schestowitz there must have been some historical disputes over that area, maybe after ww2 when japan receded [01:44] schestowitz also, do some n koreans try to cross the river to russia? [01:45] XRevan86 schestowitz: That I don't know. I do know that North Koreans work in Russia. [01:46] DaemonFC[m] I have half a mind to send a letter to "Former" State's Attorney Mike Nerheim telling him "Byeeee". Nothing obscene. Nothing actionable. Just making fun of him on the way out. His term ends in December so I'll send it in a week or two in order to make sure that his office has no time left to pay me any attention. [01:47] DaemonFC[m] Just an "I fart in your general direction.". [01:47] schestowitz XRevan86: at least you get along with them [01:47] DaemonFC[m] He really wanted a third term. [01:47] DaemonFC[m] His signs and billboards were up all over Lake County. [01:48] DaemonFC[m] I was like "Well, he won the yard sign war. People are idiots. They'll probably just vote for him because of this.". [01:48] DaemonFC[m] Sometimes I'm wrong, and sometimes when I'm wrong I'm glad that I was wrong. [01:48] XRevan86 schestowitz: I guess, but I haven't seen any, it's just some areas of the country. [01:49] schestowitz there was a time Israel allowed many Palestinian workers in and I think the US is the same with Mexico [01:49] schestowitz or was [01:49] schestowitz in the UK we're an island [01:49] schestowitz so no such situation, except if you count ethnic ghettos [01:50] schestowitz XRevan86: either way, Biden will help Russia in the sense that it'll end lots of the Russophobia [01:50] schestowitz (i think) [01:50] DaemonFC[m] There were a lot of people that let Nerheim put a sign in their yard. [01:50] schestowitz we might never know to what degree, if any, Putin and friends helped shape the Web and other things to roll out a red carpet for the US saboteur [01:50] DaemonFC[m] But it apparently did not reflect his support among actual voters. [01:51] schestowitz the US won't recover in any meaningful way, except the super-rich, who might leave [01:51] schestowitz to me, the US is mostly finished [01:51] schestowitz 71 million voting for Nazi [01:51] DaemonFC[m] I noticed it was mostly businesses that let him plant the big ones in their lawn. Very odd considering the amount of criminals he flat out refused to prosecute. [01:51] schestowitz and the economy in the gutter... for like 90% of working or unemployed people [01:51] DaemonFC[m] Including the Burn, Loot, Murder ones. [01:51] XRevan86 schestowitz: "Russophobia" is a vague term, I see all kinds of things shoved into it including valid concerns and even Russians opposing Putin. [01:52] schestowitz XRevan86: DaemonFC[m] is unemployed [01:52] schestowitz but not lazy [01:52] schestowitz lots like him [01:52] schestowitz wanting to or eager to work [01:52] schestowitz but only terrible jobs still available [01:52] schestowitz his parents also, esp. the father [01:52] schestowitz so they vote for Fuhrer [01:52] DaemonFC[m] Dad has had contract jobs since 20 years ago. [01:52] DaemonFC[m] He gets on somewhere and the pay is alright but no benefits. [01:53] schestowitz Russophobia means different things to different people [01:53] DaemonFC[m] Then he has to go buy terrible and expensive health insurance somewhere. [01:53] schestowitz same with labels like antiAmerican and antiSemitism [01:53] XRevan86 Like the Troll Farm is real and even has an address in St. Petersburg. [01:53] DaemonFC[m] So what does he do? Complains about some reforms that made things less awful. [01:53] schestowitz some conflate those with opposing the current party in power [01:53] schestowitz or disliking the nation [01:53] schestowitz or its people [01:54] schestowitz XRevan86: US has those also [01:54] schestowitz maybe lots more in more countries [01:54] DaemonFC[m] I'm no fan of the Affordable Care Act because it is not affordable health care. [01:54] schestowitz but their interference is OK 'coz we're the GOODGUYS(TM)" [01:54] DaemonFC[m] But it's what we have and it's less of a disaster than what it replaced. [01:54] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: Biden will fail you [01:54] schestowitz less than Trump [01:54] schestowitz but get ready [01:54] DaemonFC[m] And if the Republican lawsuits against it prevailed, we would end up with an economy that's even more in the shitter, and people piling into bankruptcy court like crazy. [01:54] schestowitz transition team full of lobbyists [01:54] schestowitz banks, military... [01:55] DaemonFC[m] On top of the pandemic stuff. [01:55] schestowitz I am HAPPY that Biden won [01:55] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: At least my bankruptcy went through. [01:55] schestowitz but SAD [01:55] schestowitz that he was the one running against Trump [01:55] schestowitz because it means not much meaningful change for working people [01:55] XRevan86 schestowitz: What I see here is stuff like Radio Freedom, and at least in contemporary Russia they're delivering decent journalism now and then. [01:55] DaemonFC[m] Mark rented to us after those assholes at Briarwood Apartments called the police because I asked how I could help them with their "errors". [01:56] DaemonFC[m] I say "errors" because those were deliberate in order to deny us housing and to "make it legal". [01:56] schestowitz XRevan86: so embolden and support them [01:56] schestowitz until they get poisoned and barely flown to Germany [01:56] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/699762.jpg [01:56] XRevan86 I mention it is because Radio Freedom is a US propaganda project. [01:57] schestowitz It can be useful nonetheless [01:57] schestowitz if it highlights things Russian media is afraid to [01:58] schestowitz foreign media can help introspection [01:58] schestowitz that's why it's often obstructed under the guise of "foreign agent/cy" [01:58] XRevan86 It's earth and the heavens compared to the stuff Putin's propaganda pukes out. [01:58] schestowitz its goal is to highlight things that are risky to say/show from the inside [01:59] schestowitz in MINDS there's this nasty user from Russia who defends Putin and his regime [01:59] schestowitz he's also a Trump fan [01:59] schestowitz and always mocks the targets of Putin's assassination, poisoning, framing, imprisonment [01:59] schestowitz MINDS is generally a hive of really nasty people [01:59] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [01:59] schestowitz maybe 20% of them (that I see) are OK people ● Nov 12 [02:00] schestowitz or maybe they're there in bigger numbers albeit quieter [02:00] XRevan86 Maybe it's Shygorin :) [02:00] schestowitz you can get almost nothing of value from social control media [02:00] XRevan86 * Shigorin [02:00] schestowitz https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1166491592029421568?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1166491592029421568:0:0:0:1166497556989587456 [02:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It was only a matter of time before #AstonVilla loses, ... | Minds [02:00] schestowitz it's the one in the comment here [02:00] schestowitz you can follow and see timeline of his [02:01] schestowitz (or her) [02:01] schestowitz *hers [02:02] XRevan86 "Nice arse but I need love" indeed, this person is worth reading. [02:02] schestowitz we need to rebel against social control media [02:02] schestowitz but I'm not sure how [02:02] schestowitz without participating it in a write-only fashion [02:02] schestowitz the web in general is a problem [02:03] schestowitz it's not created FOR propaganda [02:03] schestowitz because you see where it came from [02:03] schestowitz and how it evolved [02:03] schestowitz social control media used to be myspace, digg [02:03] schestowitz I think those were hijacked and leveraged by power structures [02:03] schestowitz same for wikipedia [02:03] schestowitz they identity their potential [02:03] schestowitz and then poison these [02:03] schestowitz we need dweb, text only, encryption etc. [02:04] schestowitz the www isn't giving us that [02:04] XRevan86 "You're beautiful. I'm ugly. We are a perfect couple. A plus to a minus." [02:04] schestowitz "One of the biggest ironies in development is Git being centralised. Not too surprising though, it's what these sorts of assholes always do: Internet decentralises communication, so LE centralises HTTPS, FB centralises the web, GH centralises git." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/New_buffer_2:2 [02:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New buffer 2:2 - Techrights [02:04] schestowitz -fig [02:04] XRevan86 These are two separate posts, no other context is provided. I think he just likes Inspirational Quotes [02:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: I read a bit of his VK feed, and I think he's a tankie. [02:07] schestowitz who? [02:07] schestowitz the user? [02:07] XRevan86 https://vk.com/wall207061770_17486 what a twist! [02:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-americans today in position when :.. | Gaaa Garin | VK [02:07] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yes, this person. [02:07] schestowitz ah [02:08] schestowitz not much of value [02:09] schestowitz which is true for a lot of MINDS BTW [02:09] schestowitz it got worse over time [02:09] schestowitz GAB the same [02:09] schestowitz this parler thing... never checked it [02:09] schestowitz not even to understand the types there [02:09] schestowitz the web is balkanised now [02:10] schestowitz even in the social control media sense [02:10] schestowitz so people are only exposed to people they agree with [02:10] schestowitz and it makes people hate other groups even more [02:10] XRevan86 Vladivostok is a corrupt and impoverished city [02:11] schestowitz is that where he is from? [02:11] XRevan86 At least this seems to be a real person and not a kremlinbot. [02:11] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yes, mentioned many times. [02:11] schestowitz vexing account nonetheless [02:11] schestowitz lots of shitposting from him [02:11] schestowitz in comments left on my posts there [02:11] schestowitz also misogyny [02:12] schestowitz where I define that as attacking purely on the gender angle [02:12] schestowitz not the substance... it's OK to 'attack' a female, but not for being a female [02:12] schestowitz with trumpsters it seems fashionable to just target women for being women and minorities likewise [02:12] schestowitz the pres. does the same [02:12] schestowitz in twitter tweets [02:12] schestowitz and twitter tolerates this (For him at least) [02:13] schestowitz would be funny if twitter suspends his account jan 20th [02:13] schestowitz and you can't see him rage-tweeting [02:13] schestowitz or using press events in the WH as a platform [02:13] schestowitz as he's more or less muted [02:14] XRevan86 https://vk.com/photo207061770_456239122 could be a photograph of him [02:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gaaa's wall photos 410 photos | VK [02:15] XRevan86 It's strange for a "Communist" to go for a gender angle but I guess everything's possible with his kind. [02:17] MinceR (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/6a357ebf762d0a00.mp4 [02:20] schestowitz nice [02:20] schestowitz XRevan86: looks female [02:20] schestowitz or maybe lad with long hair [02:20] schestowitz and reebok shirt [02:20] schestowitz I could crack a joke if it was Adidas [02:21] XRevan86 schestowitz: That's definitely a bloke on the photo. About ~20 years old. [02:21] MinceR :> [02:21] schestowitz XRevan86: that would explain a lot [02:22] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Meet Proxmox Backup Server, a Debian-Based Open Source Enterprise Backup Solution http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144274 [https://pleroma.site/objects/87ce6ebc-8c49-4cc3-b7ea-36ba57509004] [02:27] XRevan86 schestowitz: I don't see a single hint that he's interested in tech. [02:29] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/2Eig6lPbBAQ oh, those are his own videos! [02:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Even republicans want Communism and yet - YouTube [02:31] XRevan86 12 views, 0 likes, 1 dislike [02:33] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/g5gKB-iwQkw 8 people saw this very interesting video on the evolution of opinion about the US parties of this person in Vladivostok. [02:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I used to like republicans - YouTube [02:34] *drdogcow (~drunkendo@gateway/tor-sasl/drunkendogcowm/x-45413332) has joined #techrights [02:34] XRevan86 schestowitz: "he's also a Trump fan" apparently not anymore :) [02:35] *drdogcow_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:35] XRevan86 Trump lost many cities this election, including Vladivostok. [02:40] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Baldurs Gate, Bridge Constructor, Zniw Adventure http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144275 [https://pleroma.site/objects/08949838-19dc-48a6-bfd0-c29432f68e84] [02:40] XRevan86 scientes might find his accent interesting. [02:43] *sebsebseb has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [02:49] XRevan86 Anyway, people like he look at Putin and Lukashenko like on leaders who defend the nation against the neoliberal capital forces. Which is pretty much everyone except them. [02:50] XRevan86 *like at [02:53] XRevan86 I no longer look at the world through any ideological prism, that can easily be exploited by propaganda to frame even the most banal events as a manifestation of evil. [02:53] *sebsebseb (~sebsebseb@2a02:c7f:1831:4d00:c10f:dd7a:5c7d:ae0d) has joined #techrights [02:53] *sebsebseb has quit (Changing host) [02:53] *sebsebseb (~sebsebseb@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights [02:59] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux on Tiger Lake: System76 Lemur Pro and Galago Pro laptops updated with Tiger Lake CPUs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144229#comment-27122 [https://pleroma.site/objects/62a7ef44-11d7-4aca-80ea-dc5cdac97cbc] ● Nov 12 [03:00] XRevan86 People like this think that politics work something like that: step #1: apply good ideology; step #2: observe all the problems go away; step #3: defend the good ideology state against the enemies of the nation; step #4: ???; step #5: live happily ever after [03:01] XRevan86 Steps #2 and step #3 are concurrent. [03:10] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Manjaro ARM Beta2 Phosh for PinePhone brings better performance, HDMI output http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144276 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b6addaa6-8508-41a9-b67e-ad105c4c2fee] [03:11] MinceR 12 033537 < XRevan86> Trump lost many cities this election, including Vladivostok. [03:11] MinceR lol [03:14] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Xubuntu 20.10 and Endless 3.9.0 Videro Reviews http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144277 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3ccff1d2-f42c-4782-8c60-f6c01d160291] [03:18] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Server: SysAdmin Stuff and Kubernetes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144278 [https://pleroma.site/objects/247b2f07-80e7-437d-bd49-4fdeb46f1c52] [03:24] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Airlie: Why Sharing Code With Windows Isnt Always A Win http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144271#comment-27123 [https://pleroma.site/objects/759185e6-b3f6-489a-bf0c-58b38a744669] [03:40] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux in Devices/Embedded and Arduino Open Hardware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144279 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6d7e6fda-c994-4353-892e-e9acd8a5012a] [03:41] CrystalMath but surely Nizhny Novgorod still voted for him? [03:42] CrystalMath i heard he has some chance of winning Tver as well [03:46] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:48] *inky (~inky@5.77.129.40) has joined #techrights ● Nov 12 [04:07] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 11 of the Best Linux Games in 2020 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144280 [https://pleroma.site/objects/49c21cf8-1130-4bdd-8d54-becb3d2837de] [04:10] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat/Oracle Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144281 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c558149e-1b02-49da-a0da-7ba892d80b8f] [04:14] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Unfettered Freedom, TLLTS and Coder Radio http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144282 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5da4402e-acb6-442d-a11b-ed83e0232b18] [04:18] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: System76 Lemur Pro thin and light Linux laptop gets Tiger Lake refresh http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144229#comment-27124 [https://pleroma.site/objects/493903c3-8d0c-4ba0-8dd0-d78a3c11c80e] [04:21] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Proxmox Backup Server 1.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144274#comment-27125 [https://pleroma.site/objects/13d577d8-6be3-488c-9b8a-3bc23469ca95] [04:22] schestowitz last section re LCOC isn't too bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJCiHE-5Xg [04:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unfettered Freedom, Ep. 11 - High Priority FSF, Linux Ransomware, Best Distros 2020, Gimp, NCoC - YouTube [04:25] schestowitz >> The Meduza RSS feed has not been updating (no new items shown, except in [04:25] schestowitz >> the HTML version) for almost a month. [04:25] schestowitz > Ok. I see that their feed contains only old links from last month. I [04:25] schestowitz > even checked from their main page. It is the feed which is stuck: [04:25] schestowitz > [04:25] schestowitz > https://meduza.io/rss/en/all [04:25] schestowitz > [04:25] schestowitz > I've sent them a mail at their contact address. It would help if you [04:25] schestowitz > could too, I think. Probably a cron job or similar automation was [04:25] schestowitz > disabled or not brought forward through some upgrade or change. [04:25] schestowitz IIRC, they had the same issue about a year ago. They never even replied to me. [04:26] schestowitz > If people don't demand freedom then tend to lose it? #stallmanwasright [04:26] schestowitz > again. [04:26] schestowitz > [04:26] schestowitz > http://techrights.org/2020/11/11/rms-on-open-source/ [04:26] schestowitz > [04:26] schestowitz > [04:26] schestowitz > Nobody demands freedom of speech anymore, do they? 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[05:36] Ariadne 33 [05:36] schestowitz that DC was very reliable, so it was a job well done... wow, that's very young [05:36] Ariadne he was my previous business partner before i went solo [05:38] schestowitz is the hv destined for the .nl? [05:38] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: I need to come up with a cool quit message) [05:48] schestowitz I need to get some sleep ● Nov 12 [06:05] Ariadne probably keeping it US side for now as i already have colo in US [06:05] Ariadne will move to AMS once im over there [06:05] Ariadne this is somewhat urgent so ill start working on preparing to move the machines [06:07] *timur_demin is now known as tdemin [06:25] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc0f:7c00:9d78:8894:8f6f:9e9d) has joined #techrights [06:41] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:51] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights ● Nov 12 [07:22] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:24] *cybrNaut has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [07:24] vZS1 At least people can still read the IPFS versions. I'm maintaining a list of the whole [07:25] vZS1 I'm maintaining pins of the whole index* [07:27] vZS1 I'm sorry to hear about the accident. [07:54] scientes AMS? [07:54] scientes if you mean AWS it is extremely expensive [07:54] scientes I never understood why people used Amazon for anything [07:54] scientes it is so damn expensive [07:54] scientes and always has been [07:54] scientes there is at least 100% mark-up on everything [07:55] scientes and they nickle-and-dime you for everything [07:55] scientes you liability is unlimited [07:55] scientes for bandwidth their mark-up is like 10x ● Nov 12 [08:04] *notanamber (~luca@2001:b07:a16:5bc0:bd01:a12:47e2:5907) has joined #techrights [08:37] *cybrNaut (~cybrNaut@rrcs-67-53-148-69.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrights [08:52] *vZS1_2 (~vZS1_2@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Nov 12 [09:11] vZS1_2 test [09:18] *acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [09:18] -NickServ-acer-box!~acer-box@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [09:18] *acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [09:30] schestowitz Ariadne: thanks for letting me know to prepare me. The death is so tragic, I really don't know what to say, it's chilling. [09:31] XRevan86 Ariadne: :( [09:31] Ariadne scientes: AMS as in Amsterdam [09:31] schestowitz Ariadne: also, if we already make a migration, it might give us a chance to rebuild properly with containers [09:32] schestowitz we're in lockdown here for another 3 weeks so time should not be a major barrier for me, I just need to know in advance when to allocate some [09:34] Ariadne yes, that is what i am thinking [09:35] oiaohm Really after looking at what China and Australia have had to do that they were able to get on top of covid-19 the current UK lockdown plan is way too short. [09:36] oiaohm 12 to 16 weeks of lockdown. Maybe the UK is crossing finger before 3 weeks are up they will have a vaccine and that reduce the control time. [09:37] oiaohm The big problem with Covid-19 is how long people can be infected and spreading it with no symptoms. [09:38] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PAPPL 1.0 Beta Released For Ultimately Replacing CUPS Printer Driver http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144286 [https://pleroma.site/objects/669cb508-deb1-4f30-afa6-a5478e0d05df] [09:38] oiaohm That 84 days/12weeks is to cover the longest known cases of people having covid-19 and spreading it before showing symtoms. [09:39] oiaohm Its possible 16 weeks to be sure. [09:39] schestowitz Ariadne: let me know if you need a recommendation letter for immigration etc [09:39] schestowitz I've know you over a decade to some degree [09:39] schestowitz nenold days [09:40] Ariadne but COVID was supposed to be gone [09:40] Ariadne trump said so [09:40] Ariadne :) [09:40] schestowitz "HURD immunity" [09:41] schestowitz ya herd! [09:41] Ariadne GNU/HURD immunity [09:41] schestowitz The GNU Declaration [09:41] schestowitz "Freedom" [09:41] schestowitz to spread it [09:41] oiaohm Covid being class of virus that we only have immunity for roughly 3 months has been nice trouble. [09:41] schestowitz Burlington was it? [09:42] schestowitz oiaohm: that's what new findings allege [09:42] oiaohm with infected carriers being able to spread it for almost that long documented. [09:42] schestowitz people have limited time of resistance, that's why some get reinfected.... until they cannot survive [09:42] Ariadne the question is how long the vaccine remains effective for [09:42] Ariadne i doubt people will get a covid vaccine once a month [09:42] schestowitz as long as viagra lasts [09:42] schestowitz 3 hours or so? [09:43] oiaohm You normal flu vaccine is normally only 3 months of protection at best. [09:43] oiaohm the human immune system is very forgotful to most infections. [09:43] schestowitz Pfizer is enjoying marketing-like 'journalism' this week [09:43] vZS1_2 Me being an idiot wondering why my hook isn't working on the Pi. Realise bash lives in /bin/bash and not /usr/bin/bash. GDI. [09:43] Ariadne anyway i am looking forward to visiting the jellycat factory store in london at some point in the next year [09:44] Ariadne by then the pound should be in the toilet [09:44] oiaohm Pfizer mRNA is new tech. [09:45] oiaohm That might have longer than normal protection. [09:45] oiaohm Also being new tech it could horrible kill percentage of the population. [09:46] Ariadne i volunteer trump for the trial [09:46] Ariadne lets see how it goes with him [09:46] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Canonical Reverts Intel Microcode Update in Ubuntu Due to Boot Failures in Tiger Lake Systems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144287 [https://pleroma.site/objects/62a1ae7c-b14f-4bc5-8ec8-27ac529ef811] [09:48] oiaohm Trump is not in the population class likely to have trouble with vaccines of the mRNA class. [09:49] oiaohm In fact his age group mRNA class vaccines are likely not to work at all. [09:49] Ariadne schestowitz: i guess the question is, which site should we migrate first? [09:51] schestowitz tuxmachines is simpler, I think [09:51] schestowitz but one of its DBs is the container [09:52] schestowitz the one for Gallery (CMS), not Drupal [09:52] Ariadne hmm? [09:52] Ariadne both DBs should be in container i think [09:52] schestowitz we struggled with one [09:53] schestowitz reminder: when we attempted this about 4 times Drupal would complain about something in the DB when writing to it [09:53] vZS1_2 Since you're dealing with migration, could you check if there's stuff you can make zipped tarball archives out of? I could pin any zipped archives on IPFS. [09:53] schestowitz likely due to version bump or something like that, I forgot what it was exactly but can look that up [09:54] vZS1_2 Because I doubt any of that old content is going to mutate. Might as well archive it while you're doing maintenance. [09:54] schestowitz Techrights has all 3 CMSs with their DBs in the dedicated DB container, we has no trouble migrating those [09:54] Ariadne i don't know anything about IPFS and do not have the time to learn [09:55] schestowitz it's not affected by a migration of the site [09:55] Ariadne hmm, my IPAM system is down because i was hosting it at home in wyoming [09:55] Ariadne whoops [09:55] schestowitz it's totally separate and maintained on another turf (distributed) [09:56] vZS1_2 Ariadne: If you just throw archives at me (if you get around to it), I can handle the IPFS side of things. I've got access to both our IPFS machines. [09:57] Ariadne schestowitz: lucky you [09:57] vZS1_2 In my free time I've been working on automating the whole thing, with Roy. In a couple months, I should have the whole setup automated. [09:57] Ariadne schestowitz: you get a brand new never ever used before IP block [09:57] schestowitz :-) [09:57] Ariadne hopefully in 2 months i don't reallocate this [09:57] Ariadne i have made a mental note [09:57] Ariadne but i've heard COVID causes brain damage [09:57] Ariadne so, never know [09:57] Ariadne :P [09:57] vZS1_2 lol [09:58] schestowitz it did Trump [09:58] Ariadne i think that was more the steroids talking [09:58] schestowitz It probably shrank him down there, that's why Melania files for divorce [09:58] Ariadne hmm [09:58] Ariadne ip address 23.161.112.1/25 secondary [09:59] Ariadne i think i can shrink this one down [09:59] vZS1_2 fatal: cannot run .git/hooks/post-commit: No such file or directory [09:59] Ariadne hacked [09:59] vZS1_2 woops, didn't mean to post that [09:59] schestowitz only remote access scripts and DNS settings are wired for the current server IP addresses ● Nov 12 [10:00] schestowitz vZS1_2: which user around? [10:00] schestowitz pi, root? [10:00] Ariadne also i fixed sudoers [10:00] vZS1_2 What do you mean by "which user around?" [10:00] schestowitz *account [10:00] Ariadne by commenting out whatever you did on line 85 [10:00] schestowitz cheers [10:01] schestowitz I was trying to add access to the container for my friend [10:01] vZS1_2 If you mean this nick on IRC, I'm on my desktop. The other one is my phone. [10:01] schestowitz whose name you can see there [10:01] vZS1_2 I haven't logged into the Pi in the while [10:01] schestowitz vZS1_2: what's the full path for that file? [10:02] vZS1_2 That error was from my own Pi [10:02] vZS1_2 Don't worry about it [10:02] vZS1_2 I just had it in my clipboard by accident lol [10:02] schestowitz Ariadne: don't forget to bill us for your time at the end, we already owe you some [10:02] Ariadne ok [10:03] Ariadne 23.161.112.113/29, .114 container host, .115-.118 containers [10:03] Ariadne (really it will be on internal network though) [10:04] schestowitz cheers [10:04] schestowitz alpine, right? [10:04] Ariadne i'll install alpine as the container host yes [10:04] schestowitz hv+up to 4 containers on it [10:04] Ariadne up to infinity containers [10:04] schestowitz alpine has been so reliable, 2 years uptime, sans the reboot for system update (kernel) [10:05] schestowitz yes, sounds good, for hv [10:05] Ariadne ok [10:05] vZS1_2 Alpine does what it says on the tin. [10:05] schestowitz in case we can already migrate some containers today, let me know if/when to stop posting new stuff (changing databases) [10:05] Ariadne (technically i am replacing the physical server with a very big VM on my very big intel xeon gold blade system) [10:06] Ariadne it is more power efficient [10:06] schestowitz good, as our workloads aren't constant [10:06] schestowitz peaking at times, like front page of major sites [10:06] schestowitz tuxmachines has done 11 hits/secs this past month [10:06] schestowitz but they're not hard on the cpu and don't take up much ram, it's simple drupal [10:07] Ariadne i have a blade system with each node having 128 cores of cpu each [10:07] Ariadne and 512gb ram [10:07] Ariadne with shared NVME storage [10:07] schestowitz most bloat is wordpress at techrights because of dynamically-generated links [10:07] schestowitz (just to keep you aware; it's always wordpress that's the heaviest of all things) [10:07] Ariadne so i was just going to provision a VM with like 32 cores [10:07] Ariadne the current machine has 8 cores [10:07] schestowitz 29,000 blog posts by December [10:08] Ariadne so 4x faster [10:08] Ariadne ;) [10:08] schestowitz currently, I cannot link directly to techrights from all social media [10:08] schestowitz I split the linking into 3 [10:08] Ariadne yeah [10:08] Ariadne we're going to set up [10:08] Ariadne some hardcore caching [10:08] schestowitz post from diaspora, wait, then twitter, than pleroma etc. [10:08] schestowitz *then [10:08] vZS1_2 Ariadne: if you feel like you'd like some coffee-table reading, with a hot drink, you can ask Roy for the IPFS howto I wrote up. It really doesn't take much background knowledge. [10:09] Ariadne vZS1_2: maybe eventually. IPFS is really interesting to me [10:09] vZS1_2 Maybe around Christmas time. :D [10:09] schestowitz vZS1_2: for now IPFS only handles stuff from this month onwards [10:09] schestowitz the way it's scripted, it replies on RSS (latest 20 blog posts) to generate the objects every 24 hours [10:09] Ariadne show run int vl 200 [10:09] Ariadne err [10:09] vZS1_2 Just wanted to bring Ariadne on the same page as us. I'm new here so I still don't know how TR and TM operates. [10:09] Ariadne IRC is not IOS-XR :) [10:10] schestowitz vZS1_2: tuxmachines is older. 2004 [10:10] schestowitz 144,000+ drupal nodes [10:11] schestowitz many of the stuff/blogs it links to no longer exist, so it's useful for archival purposes in its own right [10:11] vZS1_2 I've been putting a lot of effort into making TR content accessible and distributable on low-power machines. I feel like that should be a priority. So far, progress has been very good. We've had great results with all our implementations. [10:11] oiaohm schestowitz: upgrading tuxmachines to a static generated site would be a horrible project. [10:11] Ariadne yes i don't think it is worthwhile [10:11] schestowitz oiaohm: no need [10:11] Ariadne instead we make wordpress cache [10:11] schestowitz oiaohm: it's not CPU heavy [10:12] Ariadne the problem is the SQL hits [10:12] Ariadne i think that can be optimized with additional indexes [10:12] Ariadne afaik wordpress does not really use indexes [10:12] vZS1_2 schestowitz: IPFS bw report [10:12] vZS1_2 In 5.6 GB [10:12] schestowitz some articles would need to compute URLs for dozens of different posts from different year, I didn't profile it, but I suspect that's the biggest toll [10:12] Ariadne unfortunately the person i know who knows everything about wordpress optimization just died in a car accident ;/ [10:12] vZS1_2 Out 3.5 GB [10:12] Ariadne took a corner too fast, rolled his truck, out the windscreen [10:13] vZS1_2 :'( [10:13] schestowitz :/ [10:13] XRevan86 Ariadne: Of course it does use indices. [10:13] Ariadne XRevan86: i mean effectively [10:13] schestowitz with tessier we had varnish in front [10:14] Ariadne i am planning to push nginx in front [10:14] schestowitz the wiki isn't too resource-heavy, it's not vast either, several hundreds of pages [10:14] schestowitz drupal side is about 20 pages only (the front page, intro), so that barely counts for anything [10:15] schestowitz with nginx I'd need to learn how to redirect things fast, although we don't have much set up specifically for apache in .htaccess [10:15] XRevan86 schestowitz: A return statement. [10:15] vZS1_2 Nginx documentation is pretty good. Shouldn't be too hard to find what you need. [10:16] Ariadne my plan was to have each container still have apache inside it for now [10:16] schestowitz XRevan86: I did convert thousands of lines of apache into nginx before [10:16] schestowitz that was years ago for UK's Food Standards Agency [10:16] XRevan86 If mod_php will no longer be used, then it'd be a vast improvement one way or another :) [10:29] Ariadne the only thing i fucking hate about my new setup is [10:29] Ariadne targetcli is awful [10:31] Ariadne [5823885.590081] scsi 10:0:0:2: Direct-Access LIO-ORG techrights 4.0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [10:31] Ariadne mmmkay [10:31] Ariadne created 1TB of NVME for these containers [10:31] schestowitz :-D [10:31] Ariadne over 48G infiniband [10:31] Ariadne fancy [10:32] Ariadne or if you want to go ENTERPRISE(tm) [10:33] Ariadne i have an IBM system z mainframe sitting in the cabinet next to this blade system and SAN shelf ;) [10:33] Ariadne *also* running alpine [10:33] Ariadne :) [10:34] Ariadne or to clarify, it is not in a cabinet, it *is* the cabinet [10:34] schestowitz wow, those must cost like $500,000 [10:34] Ariadne dunno [10:34] Ariadne i got mine for 800$ [10:34] Ariadne the trump administration decided the government was going INTO THE CLOUD [10:34] schestowitz mainframe on a budget, $800 lol [10:34] vZS1_2 Is it damp up there? [10:34] schestowitz many businesses take loans to get one [10:35] schestowitz what does the cloud run? [10:35] Ariadne came with a thinkpad running OS/2 [10:35] schestowitz steam is how many cores? vapour [10:35] vZS1_2 I feel so out of touch with this conversation. All I've been working on recently is dweb. [10:36] schestowitz they complain about "big tech"... and then outsource everything to "big tech" [10:36] schestowitz sounds like the EU strategy as well [10:37] vZS1_2 When you look at the cash flow "big tech" can only stay big because of the architectural reliance on server/data farms. [10:38] schestowitz and government cash [10:38] vZS1_2 That too [10:38] Ariadne the system z machine is nice [10:38] schestowitz don't forget trillions funneled into them [10:38] Ariadne 32 cores at 5.2ghz [10:38] schestowitz same situation with weapons makers btw [10:38] Ariadne each core is SMT4 [10:38] schestowitz hundreds of millions of people pay monthly tax... and it ends up somewhere else [10:39] schestowitz (+national debt) [10:39] Ariadne and that one is a baby compared to most deployments [10:39] vZS1_2 schestowitz: weapons manufacturing (not sales) has been undergoing a revolution as well. It's a lot cheaper to make certain arms. [10:39] schestowitz overkill, but we can hope to use that capacity up one day :-) [10:39] vZS1_2 With affordable manufacturing tools available today [10:40] vZS1_2 People are milling and printing assault rifles at home. [10:40] Ariadne anyway infiniband is cool [10:41] schestowitz I only ever read about it [10:41] schestowitz ssd speeds on my laptop, first ssd hardware I have, cut down full backup times by like 80% [10:41] Ariadne well these blades are basically brand new from dell :P [10:42] Ariadne hoping to get a decade of service out of them [10:43] vZS1_2 schestowitz: just don't try archiving anything on SSDs [10:44] schestowitz data loss when charge is lost, longterm [10:44] schestowitz i back up to magnetic [10:44] vZS1_2 I still think tape is the best for archiving [10:45] vZS1_2 For long-term storage [10:45] vZS1_2 Especially for stuff that's infrequently accessed [10:45] schestowitz as long as it's not near lots of "lumber" in California [10:48] vZS1_2 I use USB sticks a lot too [10:48] vZS1_2 Especially for the Git repositories I follow. And my browser bookmarks. [10:48] vZS1_2 I rsync all that to a USB stick at least once a week. [10:52] vZS1_2 Even the biggest Git repos I have, like the Linux kernel, only max out at around 2GB. [10:52] vZS1_2 So you can actually store quite a lot of Git repos on a USB stick [10:52] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [10:55] vZS1_2 Speaking of the Linux kernel repo, there's an increasing amount of stuff in "" [10:55] vZS1_2 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git [10:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree [10:55] vZS1_2 That has very little to do with the kernel itself [10:55] vZS1_2 ibm, nvidia, etc and their drivers are part of the repo [10:55] vZS1_2 One would have thought those would belong in separate repos [10:57] schestowitz vZS1_2: Torvalds no longer knows what goes in [10:58] schestowitz he neither codes (he can, but no longer does) [10:58] schestowitz nor checked code [10:58] schestowitz *checks [10:58] schestowitz mostly communications and code notes [10:58] schestowitz but he has other people to check some stuff for him [10:58] schestowitz the "bugs are shallow" line is irrelevant now [10:58] schestowitz for linux [10:59] schestowitz nobody will check 500,000 lines of code added by AMD... other than AMD staff [10:59] schestowitz and you get binaries with that code in them... on billions of machines, inc. sensitive servers in countries deemed "Enemies" of the US [10:59] vZS1_2 I do "$ git submodules status --recursive" and I get nada. So all that crud is part of the main repo..... [10:59] Ariadne in fairness it requires domain expertise to check that code [10:59] Ariadne :P [10:59] vZS1_2 Yes, but use submodules, at least. [10:59] schestowitz Linux is a party, all code welcome [10:59] vZS1_2 Why bundle it all into the damn main repo. ● Nov 12 [11:00] schestowitz "we check who you work for, not what you merge" [11:00] vZS1_2 s/submodules/submodule [11:00] schestowitz "amd code, sounds legit" [11:00] schestowitz they even added crypto code from Russia [11:01] schestowitz and NSA-connected crypto from Google [11:01] schestowitz weakened for "efficiency" [11:01] schestowitz they told us [11:01] schestowitz for "mobile [11:01] vZS1_2 Android drivers are in the repo too btw [11:01] schestowitz because phones don't need >Real< crypto anyway :-) [11:01] schestowitz "just enough" encryption [11:01] schestowitz "enough" entropy... oh, nope.. stop. STOP... too much entropy... OK, that's better now [11:02] vZS1_2 154K worth of android driver code in the repo. (That's discounting all the stuff that's linked with it) [11:02] schestowitz android spies even without the back doors [11:02] schestowitz "just what it does" [11:03] vZS1_2 If you look at the Git Git repo [11:04] vZS1_2 You see 1 submodule [11:04] vZS1_2 $ cat .gitmodules [11:04] vZS1_2 [submodule "sha1collisiondetection"] [11:04] vZS1_2 path = sha1collisiondetection [11:05] vZS1_2 url = https://github.com/cr-marcstevens/sha1collisiondetection.git [11:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - cr-marcstevens/sha1collisiondetection: Library and command line tool to detect SHA-1 collision in a file [11:05] Ariadne ithink we will use xfs for the containers [11:05] vZS1_2 branch = master [11:05] vZS1_2 schestowitz: look at that. GitHub! [11:05] Ariadne btw [11:05] Ariadne if you thought apk was fast before [11:05] Ariadne try apk on 10G nic [11:05] XRevan86 Ariadne: reflink=1 ? [11:06] vZS1_2 Also, last time I checked Git uses CI from Azure. [11:06] Ariadne we are 0.5ms away from kernel.org mirrors [11:06] Ariadne vZS1_2: the github CI is actually quite nice [11:06] Ariadne too bad it's a microsoft product [11:06] schestowitz vZS1_2: git is in trouble in some sense. Their release notes link to Microsoft sites. [11:06] vZS1_2 I've used all the major CI providers in the last few years. I still prefer plain old Git hooks. [11:07] schestowitz By buying github Microsoft also bought key people in a project of Torvalds [11:07] schestowitz it had done the same 2 years prior in LF. [11:07] vZS1_2 I can make Git hooks in any language and ops flow I want. [11:08] vZS1_2 Why handicap myself [11:08] vZS1_2 All these CI products are just cost savings for businesses that can't afford competent ops teams. [11:09] Ariadne the reason why github is nice is due to the streamlined contribution flow [11:09] Ariadne its a nice forge, and more importantly, all the people already are there [11:10] vZS1_2 That's a sunk cost fallacy [11:10] Ariadne yes, and no [11:10] Ariadne it is more "my employer does not see the value in wasting time on managing gitlab" [11:10] Ariadne we did that, it really sucked [11:10] Ariadne and nobody from outside world signed up [11:11] vZS1_2 From a business point of view, GitHub works. From an autonomy point of view for free software communities, it's a hard pass. [11:11] Ariadne for individuals, it is a different story than commercial FOSS [11:11] Ariadne in commercial FOSS, github has value that self-hosted forges do not have [11:12] Ariadne don't get me wrong, i don't like that microsoft own github now [11:12] vZS1_2 I don't disagree with what you're saying. [11:12] Ariadne but you have to pick and choose battles [11:13] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security and Proprietary Software Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144292 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1178e287-8c1d-4306-b446-11080884a206] [11:14] vZS1_2 youtube-dl is a good example of why FOSS communities should always work in a decentralised manner. [11:14] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [11:14] Ariadne i agree [11:14] Ariadne however, youtube-dl should have been self-hosting from day 1 [11:14] Ariadne it's a matter of risk assessment [11:14] Ariadne and a federated ecosystem for git forges doesn't exist yet [11:14] vZS1_2 They lack management resources. That's the problem. [11:15] vZS1_2 Most of these projects can run on a shoddy laptop [11:15] Ariadne if you could decentralize the eyeballs [11:15] Ariadne that would make github obsolete [11:15] vZS1_2 You don't need a mainframe to run a project with a couple thousand lines of code [11:16] Ariadne when you are writing code with specific objectives in mind (people using and contrbuting to it), being in a place where eyeballs are is important [11:16] vZS1_2 Bugzilla exists [11:16] Ariadne yes, i know [11:16] schestowitz [03:41] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): #ffmpeg need to #deletegithub ... more so after what #biden MAFIAA + #microsoft did to #youtubeDL https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FFmpeg-AV1-NVDEC-Merged [https://pleroma.site/objects/133eb291-1409-427e-8a0e-51643778a527] [11:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FFmpeg Lands Support For NVIDIA AV1 Video Decoding With RTX 30 + NVDEC - Phoronix [11:16] schestowitz [03:43] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): Not hard to see or foresee how #biden MAFIAA + #microsoft can spin/twist FFMPEG as #drm 'circumvention' (and then encoding/decoding) tool. #ffmpeg need to #deletegithub ASAP. [https://pleroma.site/objects/c72d3b80-65b2-4d2f-b09d-2b07bd463f85] [11:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [11:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [11:17] Ariadne but bugzilla does not have millions of users on a site that allows discovery of your project [11:17] Ariadne *discovery* matters a lot more than you assume [11:17] schestowitz network effect=monopoly [11:17] vZS1_2 And there in lies a misunderstanding. You don't need millions of users for your little project [11:17] Ariadne i agree [11:17] schestowitz we need to work against monopoly, not leverage it "to our adventage" [11:18] Ariadne however, in some scenarios (commercial FOSS), you do need mllions of users in order to keep the checks coming [11:18] Ariadne and for that, github is pretty great [11:18] vZS1_2 Again, I'm not talking about business projects here [11:18] schestowitz we need to make it a badge of shame [11:18] schestowitz as part of the effort to unseat the monopoly [11:18] vZS1_2 I'm talking about non-profit FOSS [11:18] schestowitz it has been successful in places [11:18] schestowitz I saw some projects stepping out of github [11:19] vZS1_2 So stop mentioning business FOSS [11:19] schestowitz and new projects choosing to reject it [11:19] schestowitz before they even got "hooked in" [11:19] schestowitz "business FOSS" is a misnomer [11:19] Ariadne vZS1_2: many non-profit projects also benefit from github's discovery features [11:19] schestowitz "One of the biggest ironies in development is Git being centralised. Not too surprising though, it's what these sorts of assholes always do: Internet decentralises communication, so LE centralises HTTPS, FB centralises the web, GH centralises git." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/New_buffer_2:2 [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New buffer 2:2 - Techrights [11:20] *obarun has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:20] vZS1_2 Well. Those projects can just go and risk getting youtube-dld [11:20] Ariadne vZS1_2: and most importantly, even independent FOSS developers need discovery that forges provide if they want to make working on FOSS their career [11:20] schestowitz ""Open Source" is a meaningless marketing phrase, but it did have a definition based on the Debian Free Software Guidelines. Today it is used as a bait-and-switch way to promote non-free software, so here is a list of examples." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Proprietary_Open_Source [11:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Proprietary Open Source - Techrights [11:20] schestowitz those are a day old BTW [11:21] schestowitz vZS1_2: youtube-DLLd :-) [11:21] vZS1_2 You keep bringing profit into the equation. I'm talking about non-profit. [11:21] Ariadne i'm not bringing profit into the equasion [11:21] schestowitz [11:20] vZS1_2: and most importantly, even independent FOSS developers need discovery that forges provide if they want to make working on FOSS their careera [11:21] Ariadne independent FOSS developers still have to eat [11:21] schestowitz actually, [11:21] vZS1_2 Either way. I am not changing my mind that GitHub is bad for FOSS. [11:21] schestowitz many employers might value people who can set up gitlab and bugzilla [11:22] schestowitz more than some "another one" consumer of Microsoft GitHub [11:22] vZS1_2 Who says you can't know more than one thing at the same time? [11:22] schestowitz think blogpost "blogger" versus wordpress pro [11:22] Ariadne schestowitz: sure, but you can know how to do that and still use github because that's where the eyeballs and users and donation $$$ is [11:22] schestowitz not sure aboyt donations [11:23] schestowitz they talk about it (they=Microsoft) [11:23] schestowitz never heard of a project making much money from it [11:23] Ariadne yes [11:23] schestowitz it's like the "arctic vault" marketing badge they now stick in each profikle [11:23] schestowitz they sue that tale [11:23] vZS1_2 For the typical person using GitHub, they can just host their own solutions at home, in a totally affordable manner. [11:23] schestowitz to distract the media [11:23] Ariadne well, funding sustainable FOSS development is a complicated topic [11:23] schestowitz from the ICE contract they still keep [11:23] schestowitz as github employees were quitting in droves back then [11:23] schestowitz even managers [11:23] Ariadne however, my point is [11:24] Ariadne more eyeballs = more chance of funding [11:24] Ariadne if you do not care about that [11:24] schestowitz funding might not be the goal [11:24] Ariadne then, fine [11:24] schestowitz the goal is the make good software [11:24] vZS1_2 Yes, a shell script you wrote needs funding. [11:24] schestowitz i work nights (1-9am) to make a living [11:24] Ariadne i work to make a living by writing FOSS (: [11:24] schestowitz lots of people are the same, they make freesw outside their work [11:25] schestowitz if the code is on github, those people work for microsoft [11:25] schestowitz maybe >also< for someone else [11:25] schestowitz they cement a monopoly [11:25] Ariadne in my case, i have managed to align the interests of my customers with creating and maintaining FOSS [11:25] Ariadne yes, sure [11:25] schestowitz that happens too sometimes [11:25] schestowitz some code I wrote at work I used elsewhere later (legally) [11:25] Ariadne i am just saying there are cases where doing so generates value for the developer [11:26] Ariadne schestowitz: in my case, i am paid to maintain the FOSS i write (: [11:26] Ariadne like, explicitly [11:26] Ariadne that's what i do for a living [11:26] Ariadne and i guess also some fly-by-night network engineering [11:26] Ariadne but i work for a company that produces embedded appliances running on alpine [11:26] Ariadne and they literally pay me to work full time on alpine [11:26] vZS1_2 Realise that the typical FOSS participant is probably not an IT professional. [11:27] vZS1_2 And most of those people don't need GitHub and the like [11:27] Ariadne it depends on their motivation [11:27] Ariadne if they want to become an IT professional [11:27] Ariadne it helps a lot [11:27] vZS1_2 And they are free to use GitHub [11:27] vZS1_2 But that doesn't mean GitHub is good [11:27] Ariadne ii never said github as an organization is good [11:27] Ariadne i just said they have a nice CI system [11:28] vZS1_2 You said a lot more than that. [11:28] schestowitz rms wrote about power vs freedom [11:28] schestowitz or choosing something for 'features' [11:29] schestowitz over one's autonomy [11:29] schestowitz so that applies to github [11:29] schestowitz microsoft didn't even develop it [11:29] vZS1_2 I'm here to make sure people have freedom over their computing. And GitHub is an antithesis to that. [11:29] schestowitz github took vc money to build up network effect [11:29] Ariadne yes [11:29] schestowitz microsoft was the submarine since 2014 [11:29] schestowitz ambushing it [11:29] schestowitz and github know, afaik [11:29] schestowitz github even publicly praised microsoft [11:29] Ariadne anyway [11:30] schestowitz about how they "contribute" "the most" [11:30] schestowitz to github [11:30] vZS1_2 Decentralisation is the only way to make sure people have freedom [11:30] schestowitz which they had been planning to buy since 6 years ago [11:30] Ariadne agreed [11:30] *drdogcow_ (~drunkendo@gateway/tor-sasl/drunkendogcowm/x-45413332) has joined #techrights [11:30] schestowitz this si a true story, by the way, they admitted it [11:30] schestowitz many people missed it [11:30] *drdogcow has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:30] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ [11:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsofts Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights [11:30] schestowitz a year after 2014 they started "Microsoft loves Linux" [11:31] Ariadne i'm just saying some people and businesses choose to use use github to leverage that network effect [11:31] schestowitz than, in 2016, buying the LF [11:31] schestowitz GitHub was the next stepping stone [11:31] schestowitz for stealing the competition, the usual modus operandi [11:31] Ariadne stuff like forgefed may become a nice alternative for those usecases though [11:31] vZS1_2 That's fine for the businessed and said people. They're free to choose what they wish and leverage the things those choices provide. [11:31] Ariadne i'm not saying everyone must use github [11:32] Ariadne if you want to toss your git repo on a raspberry pi and host it on your home LAN, go for it [11:32] schestowitz we need to encourage people to do that [11:33] schestowitz same for social control media though I think the concept as a whole is flawed [11:33] vZS1_2 That's the only way to remain autonomous [11:33] Ariadne to encourage people to do that, you need to make it seamless [11:33] schestowitz and people gain little from it,except exposure to really Nasty People they'd never meet in person [11:33] Ariadne forgefed can help with that [11:33] Ariadne if you think social control media is bad [11:33] Ariadne try signing up on these dating platforms [11:34] Ariadne i did so as an experiment, and discovered that men really love to send dick pics to people [11:34] Ariadne #1 hobby i guess [11:34] schestowitz even former NSA dude did that [11:34] schestowitz in twitter [11:34] schestowitz lost his job [11:35] Ariadne hdparm is giving me a solid 400MB/s read speed on the techrights VM [11:35] schestowitz John Schindler iirc [11:35] schestowitz wow, that's like... REALLY fast [11:35] schestowitz fills up a drive in a minute [11:35] Ariadne that's infiniband [11:35] Ariadne :) [11:35] schestowitz false advertising [11:35] schestowitz 400 is nowhere near infinity [11:35] Ariadne what i know is [11:36] schestowitz like "infinite bandwidth" [11:36] schestowitz "n caps" [11:36] Ariadne you could not pay me [11:36] schestowitz *no [11:36] Ariadne to run gitlab ever again [11:36] schestowitz until you hit that cap and they phone you [11:36] schestowitz gitlab is dual-licensed [11:36] Ariadne worst admin experience of my life [11:36] vZS1_2 Git by itself is sufficient [11:36] Ariadne i don't know how the alpine sysadmin team does it [11:36] schestowitz enough of a deterrence, and the company can be sold, already uses MS 'AJJJURe" before [11:36] schestowitz *used [11:37] Ariadne vZS1_2: for joe blow releasing youtube-dl to the world, sure [11:37] vZS1_2 shestowitz: I've got more Git hooks in the works. Will let you know when they're ready. [11:37] schestowitz cheers! [11:37] Ariadne for people who want web-based review etc [11:37] Ariadne not really [11:37] Ariadne :) [11:37] schestowitz vZS1_2: is that bulletin format ok? amended it last night, even regenerated the file (a second time) [11:37] vZS1_2 That's what bugtrackers are for [11:38] schestowitz longterm GitHub is MS Office [11:38] vZS1_2 None of this monolithic nonsense flies in my ops [11:38] schestowitz it has many features [11:38] schestowitz but most of them you don't need [11:38] schestowitz they impose "upgrades" on you [11:38] schestowitz there are compat issues [11:38] schestowitz it's proprietary [11:38] schestowitz so you might be best off with simpler libreoffice and odf 1.2-2 [11:38] Ariadne vZS1_2: yes, something like phabricator is a good option alongside just git [11:38] schestowitz Ariadne: like storing data on plain text files [11:38] schestowitz they age better, less hassle to maintain in many cases [11:39] vZS1_2 schestowitz: reading now while having my tea. [11:39] schestowitz github code = arj files full of 16-bit binaries [11:40] vZS1_2 schestowitz: I think it would help if the "RECENT BULLETINS" had a short timestamp next to them. [11:40] schestowitz "Microsoft has my backup" != real backup [11:40] schestowitz same for "clown backup" [11:40] schestowitz even if you encrypt it [11:40] schestowitz you can lose access to it [11:40] Ariadne XRevan86: what is this reflink=1 [11:40] schestowitz I keep trying to explain this in simple terms to people, gain control over your digital objects, all of them [11:41] schestowitz external hard drives, even just a pair = NOT expensive [11:41] vZS1_2 Gamers are the last people who bother buying their own hardware [11:41] vZS1_2 That's why it's important we draw them in [11:41] schestowitz and a "phone" that beeps you every 2 minutes 'coz someone LIKED..." isn't helping you [11:41] vZS1_2 Chromebooks et al are going to be the death of computing freedom [11:42] schestowitz people like the sorrow/misery of addiction" [11:42] Ariadne schestowitz: actually, for some that does help their mental health [11:42] schestowitz "beer helps me, it helps me get calmer" [11:42] Ariadne right [11:42] Ariadne :) [11:42] schestowitz "GitHub is practical" [11:42] schestowitz "it works" [11:42] schestowitz (until it doesn't) [11:42] schestowitz one day github will die [11:42] Ariadne yeah [11:42] schestowitz and all those bug-related tickets won't be exportable [11:42] Ariadne hopefully when forgefed replaces it [11:42] XRevan86 Ariadne: XFS supports Copy-on-Write if it's enabled on the mkfs stage. [11:42] schestowitz like linux with its old version control system [11:43] Ariadne forgefed is pretty cool [11:43] schestowitz Ariadne: that's why we have viera btw [11:43] schestowitz social control media sites have short lifetimes [11:43] schestowitz twitter is shrinking [11:43] XRevan86 Ariadne: Can help with storage and stuff. [11:43] Ariadne XRevan86: well i have 100tb of storage on the SAN [11:43] schestowitz and it's only like 15 years old, even less considering when it really consolidated [11:44] schestowitz Ariadne: that's a LOT of pr0n [11:44] vZS1_2 schestowitz: fear not, we have unlimited CI minutes! xD [11:45] vZS1_2 Eat that GitHub [11:45] schestowitz it ate up many projects [11:45] schestowitz I hope for their myspace moment; [11:45] schestowitz murdoch being their microsoft equivalent [11:46] schestowitz no boss, same as the old boss, goodbye [11:46] schestowitz the tipping point was last year, I think [11:46] schestowitz it's like skype [11:46] vZS1_2 All our CI will run just fine on the PI btw [11:46] schestowitz was almost monopoly when Microsoft bought it [11:46] schestowitz now? meh [11:46] vZS1_2 I was doing some stress tests [11:46] vZS1_2 Things are looking good [11:46] schestowitz Skype is just one of many [11:46] schestowitz same will happen to github in the next few years [11:46] Ariadne setup-disk -m sys /mnt [11:46] schestowitz news sites like to count only github as the platform to count/measure/assess, but it'll change [11:47] vZS1_2 Mother, my project has 2k stars on GitHub. I must be famous. [11:47] schestowitz see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [11:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [11:48] schestowitz LF asks you to enter your github account along with name [11:48] schestowitz as if to assume all people must have a Microsoft account [11:48] schestowitz which was telling [11:48] vZS1_2 The distributed shift is coming. And Microsoft and friends are shitting their pants. [11:49] vZS1_2 I'm waiting for Microsoft <3 IPFS [11:49] schestowitz lol [11:49] schestowitz btw [11:49] schestowitz go to ipfs.io [11:49] schestowitz go to the image of partners etc. [11:49] schestowitz it's apng [11:49] Ariadne XRevan86: anyway my reason for xfs for container was due to inodes not being a static number [11:49] schestowitz "Azure" is in there [11:49] schestowitz nothing says "trust us" like Microsoft's logo [11:49] schestowitz with RIAA lurking [11:50] schestowitz maybe RIAA will 'camp' in Azure to watch for IPFS 'piracy' [11:51] vZS1_2 They buy a seat everywhere. Shouldn't be a surprise. [11:51] vZS1_2 seat(s)* [11:52] schestowitz the embrace phase [11:52] schestowitz one finger in each pie [11:52] schestowitz 100 fingers total [11:53] vZS1_2 lol [11:53] schestowitz they did that to apache, osi, countless others [11:53] schestowitz blender [11:53] schestowitz godot [11:53] schestowitz facebook also [11:53] schestowitz 5% stake [11:53] schestowitz now they eat up all the facebook data [11:53] schestowitz free access [11:53] vZS1_2 Thing is, go-ipfs is a working reference implementation. They can't really stop people from using it. [11:53] schestowitz microsoft is data brokering [11:54] schestowitz "Even worse, if you mention the "telemetry" in VSCode, you get a PR barrage of downvotes and comments saying it's "optional" and Microsoft isn't like facebook and they don't depend on data." #microsoft works WITH #facbook !! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25027296 [11:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Large Corporations Arent Going to Save the Real Linux Community | Hacker News [11:54] vZS1_2 It's like torrents. The technology they can't stop. [11:55] schestowitz they can suppress its use [11:55] schestowitz they = front groups like FACT against ISPs, software companies etc. [11:55] schestowitz they shut down megaupload [11:55] schestowitz but not box, google, microsoft [11:55] vZS1_2 You can't shut down a P2P network [11:55] schestowitz for offering the same service [11:55] vZS1_2 Otherwise Bittorrent would be dead [11:56] schestowitz some also block or flag torrentfreak, for merely writing news stories [11:56] schestowitz because news whose message they don't like it also... 'piracy'.. somehow [11:56] vZS1_2 We should be vigilant, yes. But not too worried. [11:56] schestowitz soon they'll say ipfs is for pedophiles and terror groups [11:56] schestowitz with "evidence" [11:56] schestowitz right in the front page of BBC [11:56] schestowitz "the dark WEB" [11:57] vZS1_2 I've got snapshots of all the IPFS code and dependencies required to build it. We'll be fine. [11:57] vZS1_2 Same with my encryption archive [11:57] vZS1_2 I've got every major library in 3 backups [11:57] vZS1_2 and made some for my friends too [11:58] vZS1_2 Includes builds for Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD. [11:58] vZS1_2 Windows is actually the only one I didn't bother to do. [11:59] schestowitz don't [11:59] schestowitz windows is declining [11:59] vZS1_2 Yeah. I don't plan to waste my time on that sinking ship [11:59] schestowitz even many laptops now come with chromeos [11:59] schestowitz it's like supporting something that's waning [11:59] schestowitz like WIndows Server [11:59] schestowitz IIS is dying [11:59] schestowitz very fast [11:59] vZS1_2 It's going to be like COBOL [11:59] schestowitz like 2% per month or 25% a year [11:59] vZS1_2 only will run on legacy business infrastructure [11:59] schestowitz niche product, no longer maintained ● Nov 12 [12:00] schestowitz many sites move off iis during the pandemic [12:00] schestowitz and that means moving off winserver as well [12:00] schestowitz source: netcraft [12:00] schestowitz techrights wrote about 5 articles about it this year [12:00] schestowitz it's nice to see them losing the lucrative (profit) server market [12:00] schestowitz they still lose tons of money on github [12:00] vZS1_2 Bittorrent is what I look at when I need comfort [12:00] schestowitz insiders say azure operates at a loss also [12:01] vZS1_2 They tried to kill it [12:01] vZS1_2 BUT IT STILL LIVES! [12:01] schestowitz they laid off azure staff [12:01] schestowitz github: many staff left [12:01] schestowitz just need to be patient [12:01] schestowitz and resist the infiltrations [12:01] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:01] schestowitz billg is moving more and more of his time into vaccine [12:01] schestowitz I guess he saw the writings on the wall [12:02] Ariadne see PM [12:02] schestowitz bezos won the ecommerce wars [12:02] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights [12:02] vZS1_2 Brought to you by taxpayer money [12:03] Ariadne [04:59:12] even many laptops now come with chromeos [12:03] Ariadne chromeos really is shite tho [12:03] vZS1_2 ecommerce has a lot of competition. [12:03] vZS1_2 Amazon is staying afloat thanks to AWS [12:03] vZS1_2 Not the ecommerce [12:04] vZS1_2 Bezos is trying to monopolise logistics. That's the real danger. [12:04] vZS1_2 Good luck trying to sell stuff if you can't ship/deliver it [12:06] Ariadne bezos is honestly a larger threat than MSFT at this point [12:07] Ariadne 1984 and watch dogs were meant to be cautionary tales [12:07] Ariadne bezos is trying to make the latter a reality [12:07] Ariadne see also: ring, etc [12:11] Ariadne schestowitz: i think we should start with techrights, actually. [12:12] schestowitz [12:03] chromeos really is shite tho [12:12] schestowitz drives the cost of windows to non-profit to microsoft [12:12] schestowitz and they cannot seem to be able to maintain the code anymore [12:12] Ariadne yes, but at the cost of end-user freedom [12:12] schestowitz updates keep breaking things, sometimes bricking and data loss as a bonus [12:12] Ariadne chromeos is less free (as in freedom) than windows [12:12] schestowitz Ariadne: user freedom has long been an issue [12:13] Ariadne chromeos is entirely locked down [12:13] schestowitz google isn't worsening that by swapping windows with chromeOS. WE need to replace BOTH. [12:13] schestowitz but draining Microsoft's budget is a good starting point [12:13] schestowitz make NT extinct [12:13] Ariadne i disagree. on windows, you can download and run arbitrary programs [12:13] Ariadne on chromeos, you cannot even do that [12:13] Ariadne that's a signficant downgrade in freedom [12:14] Ariadne one that *normal users* will understand [12:14] schestowitz [12:07] see also: ring, etc [12:14] schestowitz fire hazard [12:14] schestowitz [10:33] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): NEWS #USAToday #Surveillance Ring recalls 350,000 smart [sic] video doorbells [spying machines that should be outlawed] for potential fire hazard after 23 devices caused property damage https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/shopping/2020/11/10/ring-vid... [https://pleroma.site/objects/a6e20dbc-9c0e-4a7e-90fd-f0d4680136f2] [12:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.usatoday.com/errors/404/ ) [12:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [12:14] schestowitz I posted about this yesterday as well [12:14] Ariadne yes i read about that [12:14] Ariadne pretty funny [12:14] Ariadne but google and amazon want to build "smart" cities [12:14] Ariadne and if they succeed in that [12:14] Ariadne we all lose [12:14] schestowitz at least the smart fire alarm might work [12:15] schestowitz no smart sprinklers yet [12:15] schestowitz but you can hear something while the home burns down [12:15] *rMdes (~rMdes_@my.armada.digital) has joined #techrights [12:15] schestowitz and you get notifications on your "smart" phone [12:15] schestowitz "oh shit" [12:15] schestowitz "what [12:15] schestowitz "i just got a notification" [12:15] schestowitz "my house is ashes" [12:15] schestowitz "thanks, Amazon" [12:16] schestowitz Ariadne: I focus on pertinent things [12:16] schestowitz loss of privacy is one, but not my main focus [12:16] schestowitz "Smart' cities have long been in the making [12:16] schestowitz so it's not an "if" but "how much" [12:17] Ariadne its not just loss of privacy, it's the likelihood of using "smart" city technology to oppress [12:17] schestowitz selling gnu/linux as standard pc platform is helped by raising monopoly and privacy concerns/aspects [12:17] Ariadne if you give cops "smart" drones which can fire pepper spray... [12:17] schestowitz it happens already [12:17] schestowitz even without googlezon [12:17] Ariadne sure [12:17] schestowitz 5 eyars ago dakota got drones with guns on them legalised [12:17] Ariadne i am just saying that googlezon wants to scale that shit up [12:17] schestowitz like the ones used abroad [12:18] schestowitz for police btw [12:18] schestowitz not fbi [12:18] schestowitz Ariadne: good thing our site isn't called linuxrights [12:18] schestowitz considering where linux is going [12:18] schestowitz and the new threat surface [12:18] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Amazon [12:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Amazon - Techrights [12:18] Ariadne linux is... a nightmare at this point [12:19] schestowitz it's a commodity kernel [12:19] schestowitz a pool of hardware/device drivers [12:19] Ariadne i would like to build a better kernel, but there is only one of me [12:19] schestowitz but to freedom it adds not much at this point, many of the hostile "smart" things run "LINUS" [12:19] schestowitz *LINUX [12:19] Ariadne yes, as bruce perens said [12:20] schestowitz he speaks to RMS now [12:20] Ariadne open source is everywhere now, but usually employed in service of oppressing the end user [12:20] schestowitz cost-lowering [12:20] schestowitz "practical" [12:20] Ariadne and the problem is, those companies get devs to do their dirty work because devs need to eat [12:20] schestowitz digi-gig economy [12:21] schestowitz "supplicants" [12:22] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: MX Linux 19.3 Released: A Midweight Debian and antiX OS Spinoff http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144241#comment-27126 [https://pleroma.site/objects/37e8881c-35de-48df-a704-69f806aa6293] [12:22] Ariadne hmm [12:24] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144293 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d819902e-3069-48aa-a905-c047763826ce] [12:25] schestowitz Ariadne: basically, some people want to "swap masters" [12:25] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/freesw-autonomy/ [12:25] schestowitz lots of "Apple fans" [12:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Self-Hosting Instead of Choosing Masters to Swap Between | Techrights [12:25] schestowitz as if all is good if Apple dominated 100% of the laptop market [12:25] schestowitz same for amazon and google (to some) [12:25] schestowitz we need to think past that [12:25] vZS1_2 I've been seeing a lot of IDE posts online, lately. [12:25] schestowitz it's like the "Two Party system" [12:26] schestowitz people choosing one of two boots [12:26] Ariadne i primarily use linux and macs [12:26] schestowitz to be walking over them [12:26] Ariadne don't know much about the current windows shitshow [12:26] Ariadne i gave up on windows after vista [12:26] Ariadne vista was too buggy 4 me [12:26] schestowitz so did alchin [12:26] schestowitz allchin [12:27] vZS1_2 Maybe I should write a piece on ed(1). Give some of these people nightmares. lol [12:27] schestowitz good idea [12:28] schestowitz vZS1_2: I might now do articles today [12:28] schestowitz I want to focus 100% of the server migration if possible, otherwise mental clutter, overload [12:28] vZS1_2 ed(1) is a saviour. When everything dies and goes wrong, ed(1) can still save you. [12:28] Ariadne go ahead and do articles [12:28] schestowitz Ariadne: ok, cheers [12:28] schestowitz will do EPO leaks [12:29] vZS1_2 How many hits are the EPO leaks getting? [12:29] schestowitz the number misses the point [12:29] Ariadne i just fucking wrecked my neck again [12:29] schestowitz it's WHo read those [12:29] schestowitz and it's most EPO staff [12:29] vZS1_2 Ah [12:29] vZS1_2 I get you. [12:29] Ariadne good [12:29] Ariadne demoralize them [12:29] schestowitz it's 7000+ people, it's Europe's second-biggest institution [12:30] schestowitz EPO slapped me several times, with several law firms [12:30] schestowitz backfired on them mostly [12:30] schestowitz they have not tried in a few years, but they assure me they "Watch" me [12:30] vZS1_2 Ariadne: you taking enough breaks? :P [12:33] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 8 Best Free and Open Source Distraction-Free Tools for Writers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144291 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7d488fe1-3297-43f4-8e10-1bb4c3ca46bc] [12:34] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Test GNOME apps on this Linux reference platform http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144290 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b49731db-785b-46a4-a3f2-2e4dd038e45c] [12:34] vZS1_2 schestowitz: see if you can file for harrassment, if they try again. [12:35] schestowitz no, cannot [12:35] vZS1_2 Will stop distracting you now. [12:35] schestowitz read http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO [12:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights [12:35] schestowitz around 2015-16 [12:35] schestowitz the EPO is special [12:36] schestowitz it cannot be sued [12:36] schestowitz for anything [12:36] schestowitz that's part of the problem [12:36] schestowitz they bully and blackmail people [12:36] schestowitz some commit suicide [12:36] schestowitz and echr won't pick on them, either [12:36] schestowitz they ruined many lives [12:36] schestowitz wipo is the same [12:36] schestowitz techrights.org/wiki/index.php/WIPO [12:36] schestowitz stupid firefox [12:36] schestowitz removing http:// [12:36] Ariadne i still say brexit was a foolish mistake for UK [12:37] Ariadne some said brexit good because no EPO [12:37] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Improve open source community sustainability by tracking these two metrics http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144289 [https://pleroma.site/objects/59dba61f-e26d-4dfa-ac7b-dccde70881cc] [12:38] Ariadne anyway i am going to take a nap [12:38] Ariadne back later [12:38] vZS1_2 o/ [12:39] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LXQt 0.16.0 Review Lightweight Qt Desktop Environment http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144288 [https://pleroma.site/objects/75d56c8b-3429-4f3d-bb74-407719e6a9b6] [12:40] schestowitz Ariadne: thanks a lot! [12:40] Ariadne with that said, the jellycat stuffed animal company of london is a treasure [12:40] schestowitz Ariadne: I got a wish a condolences for you from the other server admin [12:41] Ariadne oh lars? [12:41] schestowitz aye [12:41] schestowitz I will remove the name from the ogs [12:41] schestowitz *logs [12:41] Ariadne anyway my goal is to put techrights in amsterdam once I have a site there [12:41] schestowitz excellent [12:42] schestowitz i suppose porting the whole VM over would be VM migration thing [12:42] Ariadne but now techrights will be in the silicon valley [12:42] Ariadne yeah [12:42] Ariadne no [12:42] schestowitz as you said you had build it as vm with container inside 'bare metal' [12:42] Ariadne we have time to do it right this time [12:42] schestowitz ok [12:42] schestowitz no rush [12:42] Ariadne so we move everything to container and install from scratch [12:43] Ariadne probably in a few hours [12:43] schestowitz i see [12:43] schestowitz oh, have a good nap [12:43] Ariadne I will start setting up the nginx and mariadb containers [12:43] Ariadne I think that's a good starting point [12:43] schestowitz remember tuxmachines was allergic to that mariadb version when we last attempted it [12:44] schestowitz I can pull back up what we found in the logs when that happened, maybe encoding thing [12:44] Ariadne yeah I think it's just cause tuxmachines is on ancient centos [12:44] schestowitz before that it was debian [12:44] schestowitz and gentoo at one point [12:44] schestowitz home-hosted even [12:44] schestowitz with no-ip [12:45] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc0f:7c00:9d78:8894:8f6f:9e9d) has joined #techrights [12:45] schestowitz when we took over traffic was like 10 times smaller [12:45] Ariadne anyway [12:45] schestowitz if/when we add https it can help rankings [12:45] schestowitz anyway, gn [12:45] Ariadne one thing I do need to know is [12:46] Ariadne do you need direct ssh access to those containers for uploading files etc [12:46] schestowitz the dbs? no. [12:46] schestowitz they can be local lan/network, like 10.something [12:46] schestowitz as before [12:47] schestowitz I never had to access the db container since april or may [12:47] schestowitz it justWorked(TM) [12:47] Ariadne I meant the sites themselves [12:47] Ariadne like do you scp/sftp files directly to those vms [12:48] Ariadne cause what I was thinking is [12:48] Ariadne we put the sites themselves on 10.x [12:48] schestowitz ah, yes, I do [12:49] Ariadne that way they aren't directly internet facing [12:49] schestowitz also for remote backups [12:49] schestowitz monitoring [12:49] Ariadne but if you need sftp we do something else [12:49] schestowitz git [12:49] schestowitz we also do sharing of key files through it [12:49] schestowitz there's an account for that [12:50] schestowitz even the raspi rsyncs the files with ipfs stuff to that server [12:50] schestowitz and irc logs sent to it every night [12:51] schestowitz iow, making it firewalled away would entail lots of work(aronds) [12:56] schestowitz vZS1_2: https://blog.torproject.org/hrd-amazon-training [12:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | Digital security tools for human rights defenders | Tor Blog [12:56] schestowitz just now [12:56] schestowitz amazon [12:57] schestowitz (the real one) [12:57] schestowitz greenwash [12:57] vZS1_2 privacy [12:59] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Tor, Firefox/Mozilla, and Rust http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144294 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d76fd1e7-0746-49de-9a87-0c5b8cd77569] ● Nov 12 [13:00] schestowitz vZS1_2: did you see those latest iPhone ads? [13:00] schestowitz billboard of people covering their faces? [13:00] schestowitz with a device that has cameras on both sides? [13:00] schestowitz and it says "that's privacy" [13:00] vZS1_2 * [13:01] schestowitz that's like giving kissinger and obama nobel for peace [13:01] schestowitz the thing that destroys your privacy [13:01] schestowitz "is privacy" [13:01] schestowitz people who bomb nations... [13:01] schestowitz "peace" [13:01] schestowitz Microsoft also loves Linux BTW [13:02] schestowitz I know because I heard they put that up on a slide [13:02] schestowitz and they sell PNG attachments of those images to journalists with 'prepared' articles [13:03] vZS1_2 You mean [13:04] vZS1_2 Microsoft Linux [13:04] vZS1_2 "journalists" [13:05] schestowitz https://digit.site36.net/2020/11/11/the-eu-in-crypto-war/ [13:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-digit.site36.net | The EU in Crypto War Matthias Monroy [13:05] schestowitz for today's links [13:05] schestowitz chrunalists [13:05] schestowitz "good encryption" [13:05] schestowitz Weak-Enough encryption [13:05] schestowitz or "the terrorists win" [13:06] schestowitz "might lead to dancing" [13:06] vZS1_2 Shh [13:06] vZS1_2 Quantum encryption [13:06] vZS1_2 See [13:06] vZS1_2 I can make up words too [13:06] vZS1_2 Wait.... [13:07] schestowitz quantum cloud [13:07] schestowitz sorry [13:07] schestowitz SMART quantum cloud [13:08] schestowitz with an app with ux to access the iot on the clown [13:08] schestowitz "on the blockchain" [13:12] schestowitz x https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/09/modern-ide-vs-vim-emacs/ [13:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.blog | Modern IDEs are magic. Why are so many coders still using Vim and Emacs? - Stack Overflow Blog [13:12] schestowitz # GNU/Linux is itself a development environment [13:12] schestowitz # what is happening with the "IDE" crowd is that they are [13:12] schestowitz # not learning the systems and falling victim to the monolith ideology [13:12] schestowitz # from Redmond [13:12] schestowitz (from a friend) [13:13] schestowitz the pipes and workflows are in the OS, indeed [13:13] schestowitz IDEs don't need to do >everything< [13:13] vZS1_2 Yep. I still use ed(1), a lot of the time. Not even emacs nor vim. [13:13] schestowitz systemic modularity means you get the same feature across many editors [13:13] schestowitz not all-in-one [13:13] schestowitz like netscape trying to do email too [13:13] vZS1_2 This monolithic architecture is the death of user freedom. [13:13] schestowitz I use nano and kate btw, if they're available [13:14] schestowitz vZS1_2: it's lockin [13:14] schestowitz ide bloat [13:14] schestowitz VS 'Code' is 'free drugs' [13:14] schestowitz sample [13:14] schestowitz to get people hooked on the proprietary drug [13:14] schestowitz and yet nobody says it [13:14] schestowitz they promote "Code" [13:14] schestowitz and they say "Open Source" [13:14] schestowitz it's a blob from MSFT [13:14] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:14] schestowitz with telemetry [13:16] *vZS1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:16] *inky (~inky@5.77.129.40) has joined #techrights [13:16] vZS1_2 I still use plain old GNU diff a lot instead of Git's diff. [13:17] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [13:17] schestowitz new issue is, [13:17] vZS1_2 I'm actually using it to check for updates in the TR IPFS index these days. [13:17] schestowitz "better tools" are on github [13:17] schestowitz so they tell you, get rid of this gnu thing [13:17] schestowitz use this thing from microsoft shithub [13:17] schestowitz and some will [13:17] schestowitz extend, embrace precedes sometimes (base code), outsource to Microsoft [13:18] vZS1_2 `$ diff --brief txt <(wget -q -O - http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt)` [13:18] schestowitz microsoft is evil, but not stupid [13:18] schestowitz their strategy with shithub is really malicious, but we can make it less effective by making it the next myspace [13:18] vZS1_2 That's GNU diff. And how I check for updates you push out. [13:18] schestowitz then it becomes another write-off like nokia [13:19] schestowitz and they announces losses again, EVEN to their shareholders (whom they always defraud) [13:20] vZS1_2 I try to let you handle all the GitHub news. I can't afford to spare energy on that front because I'm working on Git+IPFS to build a better solution. [13:20] vZS1_2 To me, GitHub doesn't exist (with respect to my private projects). [13:21] schestowitz a lot of 'privacy' projects are on shithub [13:21] schestowitz signal [13:21] schestowitz privacytools [13:22] schestowitz letsencrypt [13:22] schestowitz even the letsencrypt web site [13:22] schestowitz it's always amusing [13:22] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [13:22] schestowitz look, we're so good at privacy... we even have this account at proprietary software clown of NSA/Microsoft [13:23] schestowitz I say, this is where I agree with Torvalds' "masturbating monkeys" remarks [13:23] schestowitz they impress only their circlejerk [13:23] vZS1_2 Even OpenBSD has GitHub mirrors. [13:23] schestowitz the strategy is [13:23] schestowitz reinforce the stigma [13:24] schestowitz which is hinged on facts [13:24] schestowitz project on github = no credibility [13:24] schestowitz dumb devs [13:24] schestowitz no security [13:24] schestowitz no care for privacy [13:24] schestowitz friendly to microsoft monopoly [13:24] schestowitz may be compromised [13:24] schestowitz locked in [13:24] schestowitz then, for future projects, they try another platform [13:24] schestowitz rinse, repeat [13:25] zoobab IPFS sucks big time [13:25] schestowitz some people join me in this, not condemning by highlighting the credibility deficit associated with hosting there [13:25] schestowitz zoobab: what's better? [13:25] schestowitz zoobab: you made backups of techrights in github some years ago [13:25] schestowitz now Microsoft has all the copies [13:26] schestowitz we worked with Internet Archives on archiving also [13:26] schestowitz but it's still a single point of failure, they do takedowns also [13:27] schestowitz https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337450101_A_Distributed_File-Based_Storage_System_for_Improving_High_Availability_of_Space_Weather_Data#read [13:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.researchgate.net | (PDF) A Distributed File-Based Storage System for Improving High Availability of Space Weather Data [13:32] oiaohm zoobab: if you hate IPFS so much what p2p hosting solutions do you like. [13:40] zoobab none of them, IPFS does garbage collection and can remove content [13:40] schestowitz lol [13:40] schestowitz https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-urges-users-to-stop-using-phone-based-multi-factor-authentication/ [13:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft urges users to stop using phone-based multi-factor authentication | ZDNet [13:40] schestowitz they should stop using Microsoft [13:40] schestowitz since when is Microsoft a security authority? [13:40] zoobab also it is super hard to make mirrors with IPFS [13:41] schestowitz this seems true [13:41] zoobab and it does not guarantee that a copy of the content is always available, even if you remove the only node that has the only copy on earth [13:41] schestowitz high learning curve [13:42] zoobab what would be needed is some kind of builtin mecanism to guarantee that there is always 3 copies maintained [13:42] vZS1_2 Yes. A peer to peer system without peers is not going to work. Do you want a Turing Award? [13:42] zoobab plus it needs some builtin mecanism to avoid police takedown [13:43] vZS1_2 Another troll to block [13:43] zoobab then make a rule that you need to find X amount of other peers before you can publish [13:44] zoobab or for example donate disk/bandwidth/cpu to some global project like "gitipfs" [13:45] zoobab but I guess that's what filecoin is trying to achieve [13:46] schestowitz zoobab: suggest something better than [13:46] schestowitz *then [13:46] schestowitz making mirrors has long been a deterrent [13:47] schestowitz when EPO came assaulting me repeatedly you mirrored the site on github [13:47] zoobab ftp to start with, rsync [13:47] schestowitz iirc, by scraping all europe/patent category pages [13:47] schestowitz to the point it felt like a ddos attack :-) :D [13:47] schestowitz (I know it wasn't intended) [13:47] schestowitz zoobab: that too is easy and possible [13:47] schestowitz we always suggested that [13:47] schestowitz as files [13:48] schestowitz and can set up ftp daemon, I did that at work recently [13:48] schestowitz a bit like modern bbs [13:48] schestowitz we can even reuse the existing filestore from ipfs [13:48] schestowitz the key is, putting all the files in one place, hashing them [13:48] zoobab is it easy to do a mirror via ipfs? [13:48] oiaohm zoobab: filecoin the back end of that is IPFS. [13:48] schestowitz and advertising the access points [13:48] schestowitz the mirroring of what you put up there is done in the background [13:49] oiaohm There are ways to make mirror with IPFS just how is not well documented. [13:49] schestowitz Bandwidth [13:49] schestowitz TotalIn: 7.4 GB [13:49] schestowitz TotalOut: 3.0 GB [13:49] schestowitz that was advertised on Saturday [13:49] schestowitz and only November archieve [13:49] schestowitz but on the ipfs network it's already spreading [13:50] vZS1_2 I'm at 3.6 GB out [13:50] vZS1_2 Definitely seeing consumption [13:50] vZS1_2 TR is the only thing pinned on my node [13:50] schestowitz x https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/11/21559515/apple-silicon-arm-computer-m1-chip-transition-microsoft-surface-rt [13:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Theres a question mark hanging over Apples Arm Macs - The Verge [13:50] schestowitz garbage journalism [13:50] schestowitz sponsored by Microsoft/Gates [13:51] schestowitz vZS1_2: will do articles soon [13:51] schestowitz will post daily links, then need to go out get food [13:51] schestowitz been 8 days since last time [13:51] schestowitz later will publish epo leaks again [13:51] oiaohm Lot of people miss that Apple was one of the founding members that started power pc chips. [13:52] schestowitz ibm [13:52] schestowitz for apple [13:52] schestowitz iirc [13:52] schestowitz (not just for apple) [13:52] schestowitz zoobab: we're quadrupling the number of cpu cores now [13:52] oiaohm I said one of founding members because it was not just apple. [13:52] schestowitz Ariadne allocated to us 32 core out of her 128 [13:53] oiaohm Also M1 chips is not 100 percent just apple either they are taking tech from arm and other places. [13:53] schestowitz so ddos might hopefully be a thing of the past [13:53] oiaohm Apple going their own unique chip is not exactly new. [13:53] schestowitz exactly [13:53] schestowitz it's hype [13:53] schestowitz they call it [13:53] schestowitz "apple silicon" [13:53] schestowitz all about branding [13:53] schestowitz call it iSilicon [13:53] schestowitz 'i' is also a brand [13:53] schestowitz they enforced it [13:54] schestowitz against things called 'i' something [13:54] schestowitz even if those predates apple's use of the letter [13:54] oiaohm iSilicon was off the cards as that could be intel silicon welcome trademark arguement. [13:54] schestowitz true [13:54] schestowitz or 0 and 1 [13:54] schestowitz intel wanted that too [13:54] schestowitz and x86 [13:54] schestowitz or just 86 something [13:54] schestowitz didn't get it [13:55] schestowitz 'owning' numbers [13:57] schestowitz iirc, intel owns 01 dot com [13:57] schestowitz I could check quickly [13:57] schestowitz so why not 'own' the letter 'i' also? [13:57] schestowitz sue all those tourism spots with 'i' counters in them (information) [13:57] schestowitz "I own all the I" [13:58] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/699634.jpg [13:59] oiaohm schestowitz: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/trademarks/intel-softsilicon.html Sorry iSillicon would get into argument with Intel Softsilicon for possible being too close. [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.intel.com | Usage Guidelines for Customers, Licensees, and Other Third Parties [13:59] oiaohm Apple Silicon is legally safe bet. ● Nov 12 [14:00] oiaohm Partially when the deal is kind of cutting intel out of business. [14:00] MinceR silly cone [14:01] vZS1_2 I have a lot of silly cones [14:01] vZS1_2 They hold ice cream, a lot of them. [14:04] oiaohm Softsilicon is a Intel sub company that does consultancy that if you don't look closely does not appear to be Intel. So that one is a silly con. Nice way to make sure intel parts get recommended with kickback. [14:04] MinceR :> [14:08] schestowitz intel bribes a lot [14:08] schestowitz that's actually why I got so upset about them in the first place [14:08] schestowitz and there's no evidence that stopped, they still do it [14:09] oiaohm Special deals as well. [14:09] schestowitz amd is getting too big again, as well, doing some of the same "bads" (like PSP to ME) [14:09] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/K0igQqt.jpeg [14:09] vZS1_2 I remember all the anti-AMD propaganda from Intel, back in the day. Gamers were a big target for the Intel i{3..5} line. [14:09] schestowitz so it's like Apple vs Microsoft [14:09] schestowitz we need risc-v advocated more [14:09] vZS1_2 Don't use AMD processors, they are bad. [14:09] schestowitz not ibm isa openwash [14:09] oiaohm Really current AMD processors are better behaved than Intel ones. [14:10] vZS1_2 ^ That's what intel said [14:10] vZS1_2 about AMD [14:10] vZS1_2 Now AMD are whopping Intel in the market and they don't know what to do [14:10] oiaohm https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sandsifter Was done before stack of exploits appeared for intel. [14:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - xoreaxeaxeax/sandsifter: The x86 processor fuzzer [14:10] vZS1_2 All you would hear last year and year before that was Ryzen shilling [14:11] oiaohm And shows Intel processors not doing a lot of stuff to specificaiton. [14:11] oiaohm When third parties went and check the ISA conformance basically. [14:11] vZS1_2 Waiting for the IC home fabricators. [14:11] vZS1_2 Those underpaid and overworked university students better get to work fast [14:11] oiaohm Hopefully next generation of Intel chips get better behaving. [14:12] vZS1_2 Computing will never be free until ICs can be fabricated at home [14:12] MinceR hopefully intel dies and is replaced by a less fraudulent corporation [14:13] oiaohm sandsifter showed a few interesting reasons why some games would work on Intel and not on AMD was usage of non conforming instructions in the ISA. [14:13] oiaohm There are also a few interesting non conforming instructions that can show you are inside qemu doing the instructions to specification yet on real AMD and Intel different code path runs as well. [14:14] vZS1_2 Who knows, maybe in the next 20 years we will get home IC fabricators. 20 years ago, nobody would have predicted how successful home 3D-priting would become. [14:14] vZS1_2 They'd think you were delusional [14:15] oiaohm I would say IC fabricators of current silicon would be unlikely in the home. [14:15] oiaohm the toxic waste making silicon makes is horrible bad. [14:15] MinceR not as bad as government hardware backdoors [14:15] oiaohm Graphite based chips the polution from them might not be too bad. [14:15] MinceR or as intel helping lock hardware into microshit and crApple OS-es [14:16] oiaohm We have to change from silicon based substrate to graphite based substrate at some point. [14:16] MinceR of course, we would have more sources for processors of a given ISA if there was no government to enforce Imaginary Property [14:16] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Homeworld will be the default theme for #Debian 11 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144295 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fe34b0f0-8288-42d4-886b-d53b293ad3e7] [14:16] oiaohm because we will hit how small of transistors we can make on silicon. [14:17] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This Is the Default Theme of #Debian GNU/Linux 11 Bullseye http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144296 [https://pleroma.site/objects/54a8caad-3ca1-4e19-b7a2-31f124739718] [14:18] vZS1_2 Governments don't want citizens to be empowered [14:18] schestowitz not true [14:18] schestowitz they do [14:18] schestowitz in other countries [14:18] schestowitz esp. countries that are not ally [14:18] MinceR which ones? [14:19] schestowitz where they want the "regimes" overthrown [14:19] schestowitz then they're all for "people power" and Democracy(TM) [14:19] schestowitz I would not be shocked is Tor is well compromised already [14:19] schestowitz so that it gives real privacy to all but 5-EYES [14:19] schestowitz this way they can empower dissidents in Iran, Russia, China... [14:20] schestowitz and domestically they can still crack their way into the behaviour and comms of locals [14:20] vZS1_2 I always saw Tor as an experiment. And now it's out of the hands of ordinary people. [14:20] schestowitz coordination by domination of structures [14:20] schestowitz Microsoft does this also [14:20] schestowitz we even know this based on some leaks [14:20] schestowitz like their spying on emails [14:21] oiaohm Opps its https://www.transparencymarketresearch.com/diamond-semiconductor-substrates-market.html artificial diamond substrates. Improved cooling over a silicon substrates. [14:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.transparencymarketresearch.com | Diamond Semiconductor Substrates Market - Global Industry Analysis, Growth, Trends, Forecast 2024 [14:22] oiaohm Yes the process to make diamond substrates in theory could be made at home without any toxic chemicals. [14:22] vZS1_2 What a lot of newcomers to computing fail to realise is that things like GNU all boil down to one thing. Empowerment of the individual and maintanance of their freedoms. [14:22] oiaohm Silicon substrates bugger to make for toxic chemical bugger to prep due to toxic chemicals. [14:24] oiaohm also 20 year delay on patents. I would not expect diamond substrates to come possible in home before 2050. [14:24] vZS1_2 And now FSF just put out puff pieces every now and then and claim all the credit for GNU. It makes me sick. [14:24] MinceR and promotes systemd [14:24] vZS1_2 That too [14:25] oiaohm Now with the patents running out on silicon making techs we should see collages and other places with means to handle toxic chemicals more often having their own IC fab. [14:25] oiaohm So not at home but still way more accessable. [14:29] oiaohm Tor history is comes out of "United States Naval Research Laboratory" Yes the USA military wants means to communicate hidden. Then you have the CIA and NSA wanting to see though that. [14:30] oiaohm Real case of left and right hands of the USA government not agreeing is Tor and counter to Tor. [14:30] vZS1_2 Not everyone in the military is evil [14:30] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXom0OP3Rwk [14:30] vZS1_2 The US Navy has had many fine human beings in it [14:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jimmy Carr talks about wife beating on QI - YouTube [14:32] oiaohm Tor was not experiment it was USA Navy making something they needed. [14:32] oiaohm Of course getting it peer reviewed when it could be life or death is kind of important. [14:33] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:34] vZS1_2 Anyone that thinks they have real anonymity on the internet is sorely mistake [14:34] vZS1_2 mistaken [14:36] *inky (~inky@5.77.129.40) has joined #techrights [14:37] vZS1_2 Guaranteed anonymity is still an open problem. [14:37] vZS1_2 If such a thing can ever be achieved [14:37] vZS1_2 What we have now is degrees of privacy [14:48] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:48] schestowitz yes, never trust people who promise BS [14:48] schestowitz I don't promise that [14:48] schestowitz you don't either [14:49] schestowitz but can increase the likelihood by reducing the ease at which people can be unmasked [14:49] schestowitz open wifi isn't too bad for anonymity when dealing with non-gov [14:49] schestowitz e.g. company leaks [14:49] schestowitz but it logs MAC addresses afaik [14:49] schestowitz so better to borrow a device [14:49] schestowitz burner phones used to be a thing [14:49] schestowitz so then you have public terminals [14:50] schestowitz or trains where you pay with cash [14:50] schestowitz it makes it very expensive to unmask, at least with certainty [14:51] schestowitz onions like tor obfuscate by layers [14:51] schestowitz it makes it expensive to chase down people down the layers [14:52] schestowitz sometimes so expensive that you need to go abroad with warrants [14:52] schestowitz but many use tor on compromised systems [14:52] schestowitz not tails or similar [14:52] schestowitz assuming tails is safe [14:52] schestowitz iirc, heads is like tails but without systemd [14:53] vZS1_2 imo, people should base these tools on OpenBSD and not Linux [14:53] schestowitz qubesOS us fedora [14:53] vZS1_2 OpenBSD is 100% binary blobs in their system [14:53] schestowitz ie.g. red hat [14:53] schestowitz i.e. ibm [14:53] vZS1_2 100% against* [14:53] schestowitz for some reason I think they USED to be bsd-based [14:54] vZS1_2 Speaking of OpenBSD, I'm planning to migrate my Pi to that btw. [14:54] schestowitz openbsd used to work with US gov. [14:54] schestowitz iirc de raadt lives in canada but comes from south africa [14:54] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [14:54] schestowitz so the same ring of surveillance [14:54] schestowitz anglo-saxon-franco [14:54] vZS1_2 It's more because it's easier to keep track of things because OpenBSD is a lot smaller than Linux [14:54] schestowitz his name sounds dutch... many of them in SA [14:54] schestowitz and he condemned the Bush wars [14:54] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/e47999102007861f.jpg [14:54] schestowitz then lost the DARPA (IIRC) funds [14:55] MinceR 12 155417 < schestowitz> iirc de raadt lives in canada but comes from south africa [14:55] MinceR ah, so he's afro-american [14:56] vZS1_2 All my Pi does is Git and IPFS. OpenBSD can handle that easily. ● Nov 12 [15:01] schestowitz MinceR: like pedo guy musked [15:01] MinceR :> [15:02] schestowitz vZS1_2: but that's not where your crown jewels are [15:02] schestowitz trying using THAT as your main workstation [15:02] schestowitz for those who need thunderbird and falkon and stuff openbsd would be hard [15:03] *sebsebseb has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:05] *cybrNaut has quit (Changing host) [15:05] *cybrNaut (~cybrNaut@unaffiliated/cybrnaut) has joined #techrights [15:08] vZS1_2 It's not for others though. This is just my own Pi. [15:09] vZS1_2 The Git + IPFS setup I have works on any OS. That's not the issue. [15:09] vZS1_2 I just want something where I can see what's going on easier. Linux has a lot of cruft I don't need. [15:10] vZS1_2 Like if I want to do process and packet analysis, Linux just gets in the way. [15:10] vZS1_2 On a fresh OpenBSD install, you barely have 25 processes running. [15:11] MinceR "linux" is fixing that -- soon you will have 1 process running :> [15:11] vZS1_2 Yes, yes GNU/Linux. [15:12] vZS1_2 GNU/Poettering/Linux. [15:12] vZS1_2 Happy now? [15:13] vZS1_2 I was considering FreeBSD (I have more experience with that) but even FreeBSD is suffering with bloat, lately. [15:13] schestowitz killall system1 [15:13] schestowitz SHUTTING DOWN SYSTEM in 10 sec... [15:14] MinceR a stop job is running [15:14] MinceR a run job is stopping [15:14] MinceR a stop run is jobbing [15:14] vZS1_2 [NOTOK] [15:14] schestowitz a job is on the run [15:14] schestowitz service stevejobs stop [15:15] MinceR :) [15:15] schestowitz error: process already killed [15:15] schestowitz zombies cannot be killed, try "service resurrect" first [15:15] vZS1_2 Beat me to the zombie joke [15:16] MinceR :~# reboot [15:16] MinceR Write failed: Broken pipe [15:16] schestowitz man resurrect [15:16] schestowitz no man found [15:16] vZS1_2 # systemctl reboot [15:16] vZS1_2 # systemctl poweroff [15:16] vZS1_2 That's the systemd way! [15:17] schestowitz too many things to memorise [15:17] vZS1_2 Brought to you by GNU/Lennart [15:17] schestowitz many syntax types [15:17] schestowitz systemd also alters the order of arguments/commands [15:17] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:18] schestowitz command first, then service [15:18] vZS1_2 Nice thing about rc is that you get deterministic order of rc scripts. [15:19] vZS1_2 Nobody knows everything systemd is up to because a lot of things happen on the fly, dynamically. [15:19] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/in-the-loop [15:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - In the Loop [15:31] vZS1_2 I've been trying out mg instead of Emacs on the Pi. Let's see how this goes. [15:38] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/2001-rms-opens-up/ [15:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Just-Released Footage of Dr. Richard Stallman (RMS): Open Source People Treated Me Like Shit | Techrights [15:38] schestowitz help me spot typos [15:38] schestowitz I have not proofread it yet [15:38] schestowitz also, check if audio work [15:38] schestowitz some browsers struggle [15:44] vZS1_2 Works fine on Firefox [15:45] schestowitz "This Richard Stallman video from 2001 was released earlier this week; in it, Stallman explains what the Open Source 'movement' did to him just a few years earlier (and then there's some more stuff like his speech about DMCA and less related stuff in between because it's raw and uncut)" [15:45] schestowitz vZS1_2: try falkin [15:45] schestowitz falkon or similar [15:45] schestowitz doesn't play for me [15:45] schestowitz Marcia said she had the same issue [15:45] vZS1_2 Don't have those installed [15:45] vZS1_2 Programming atm so I just have this video running in the background [15:47] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Just-Released Footage of Dr. Richard Stallman (RMS): Open Source People Treated Me Like Shit http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/2001-rms-opens-up/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/fc9d0c6a-9776-48b3-9f61-0fee05c77157] [15:47] schestowitz vZS1_2: anyway, both of us got it working in firefox [15:47] schestowitz i don't want to install chro* anything to test [15:47] schestowitz let me try wife's laptop [15:50] schestowitz hmmm [15:50] schestowitz chrome on her laptop (she uses firefox actually) doesn't play the sound [15:51] schestowitz but does for this one [15:51] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/11/rms-on-open-source/ [15:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Newly-Published Richard Stallman Video From 2001, Where He is Explaining Open Source 3 Years After OSI Was Established | Techrights [15:52] schestowitz looks identical in the hypermark sense [15:52] schestowitz so it must be something in the file's meta itself [15:55] schestowitz works fine in standalone media players [15:55] schestowitz ok, I give up [15:55] schestowitz maybe re-encoding the whole file would be needed [15:55] schestowitz to overcome this and appease google-based 'browsers' [15:55] CrystalMath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9829am7inE [15:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steve Hilton: Trump 'defeated a 50-year establishment consensus' - YouTube [15:56] schestowitz vZS1_2: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201106/03572745657/surprise-latest-draft-eus-next-big-privacy-law-includes-some-improvements.shtml [15:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Surprise: Latest Draft Of The EU's Next Big Privacy Law Includes Some Improvements | Techdirt [15:58] vZS1_2 Looks about right [15:58] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/sodomy-2 [15:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Sodomy ● Nov 12 [16:00] CrystalMath hmm, the EU did another surprisingly useful move [16:01] MinceR did they start EU2, without the vulnerabilities of the old, joined it and left the old one? [16:04] MinceR https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ [16:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gemini.circumlunar.space | Project Gemini [16:09] schestowitz zoobab: how's that "early November" coming along? [16:09] schestowitz For Team UPC? [16:09] schestowitz Nov. 15th soon [16:09] schestowitz we'll have fun writing about that, won't we? [16:10] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:10] schestowitz It's always "Real Soon!" and "Coming Shortly..." [16:11] vZS1_2 IPFS for TR [16:11] vZS1_2 Already here [16:11] vZS1_2 So sit on that [16:12] vZS1_2 Re: that RMS video where he talks about Ebooks. DRM-free ebooks do exist now. So all is not lost. [16:13] vZS1_2 TeX is to credit for a big part of that. [16:17] vZS1_2 That was a good video. Glad I listened to it. So much more than just "Open Source people treat me like shit". [16:24] vZS1_2 Still think Free Software is a bad name though. Freedom Respecting Software is much better. [16:24] vZS1_2 Maybe I'll roll a new license with that name [16:25] vZS1_2 The FRS license. [16:25] schestowitz it is [16:25] schestowitz but the name isn't the point [16:25] schestowitz as they're nitpick other things [16:25] schestowitz vZS1_2: see this list techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/ [16:26] vZS1_2 It's still a huge deal. The name matters to ordinary people. [16:26] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/ [16:26] schestowitz stupid firefox [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Spot Diversion Tactics (Excuses and Distractions From Articles Not Convenient to the Reader) | Techrights [16:26] vZS1_2 And how ordinary people percieve the issues [16:26] schestowitz still has many of my bookmarks, so I need to have it open alongside falkon [16:26] schestowitz vZS1_2: they'd find other attack vectors [16:26] vZS1_2 Can't you migrate your booksmarks? I swear it's all JSON standard now [16:26] vZS1_2 It's still a good start. [16:26] schestowitz people used to attack us for the name "Boycott Novell" [16:27] schestowitz we're still also BoycottNovell.com [16:27] vZS1_2 Organisation X attacks Freedom Respecting Software. That sounds like a great headline. To make enemies. [16:27] schestowitz as if to boycott immoral companies discredits oneself [16:27] schestowitz Freedom means nothing now [16:27] schestowitz libertarians and Trumpsters hijacked the word [16:28] vZS1_2 Still think this is an important issue. [16:28] schestowitz and the media paints terrorists as "Freedom-fighters" like people who are "covid-denying" and won't weak masks [16:28] schestowitz they say we invade countries for "freedom" [16:28] vZS1_2 Murica. Spreading freedom. [16:28] schestowitz You can still write "Organisation X attacks Freedom-Respecting Software." [16:29] schestowitz The BBC would not [16:29] schestowitz it would paint them as Epstein sympathisers or whatnot [16:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights [16:30] schestowitz you cannot control media owned by the super-rich [16:30] schestowitz you might think you can [16:30] schestowitz they can fabricate and defame [16:30] schestowitz and they get away with it [16:31] vZS1_2 Nobody is saying we should control their media. What's important is people have access to other media. [16:31] schestowitz then they defame that other media [16:31] vZS1_2 Let them. People will still use it. [16:31] schestowitz in troll farms like reddit [16:32] schestowitz constant ad hominem there [16:32] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/ [16:32] vZS1_2 Case in point: Bittorrent. [16:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Spot Diversion Tactics (Excuses and Distractions From Articles Not Convenient to the Reader) | Techrights [16:32] vZS1_2 There were repeated attacks against Bittorrent. It is still alive and well. [16:32] vZS1_2 There still are repeated attacks against it. But it's not going anywhere anytime soon. [16:33] vZS1_2 Because users realise the attacks are all BS [16:33] schestowitz some realise [16:33] schestowitz some do not [16:34] schestowitz one person here still thinks Trump and UNABOMBER are OK people [16:34] vZS1_2 We can't change that. [16:34] vZS1_2 Let them think what they want to think. [16:36] Ariadne software freedom is important, but other freedom is also important, such as the freedom to choose what stuffed animal friends you want on your bed for sleeping purposes [16:37] vZS1_2 https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/bittorrent-statistics-facts/ [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-expandedramblings.com | BitTorrent Statistics and Facts (2020) | By the Numbers [16:38] vZS1_2 Shoddy sources but that's not an insignificant userbase. [16:39] vZS1_2 Freedom-respecting software is not contradictory to "the freedom to choose what stuffed animal friends you want on your bed for sleeping purposes". So I don't see the point. [16:40] vZS1_2 And yes "the freedom to choose what stuffed animal friends you want on your bed for sleeping purposes" is important. Never said it isn't. [16:43] vZS1_2 With the fragmentation of media content providers, I only see Bittorrent usage going up rapidly. [16:43] vZS1_2 Ordinary people can't afford hundreds of dollars worth of media content providers, especially in developing countries. [16:43] *gde33 (~gde333@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [16:44] vZS1_2 HBO, Prime Video, Netflix, etc etc [16:44] Ariadne lol that was just a shitpost, chill [16:44] vZS1_2 The list keeps growing, every year. [16:45] vZS1_2 Realised that a bit late. [16:46] vZS1_2 DRM is probably a big reason why Bittorrent ever took off the ground. [16:46] vZS1_2 Not for it's technical merits. [16:46] vZS1_2 its* [16:47] schestowitz convenience [16:47] schestowitz accessibility [16:47] schestowitz searching [16:47] schestowitz sharing [16:47] schestowitz drm prevents sharing with loved one [16:47] schestowitz it's a crippled and more expensive version [16:47] schestowitz so worse/st of both worlds [16:48] vZS1_2 That's why I'm not too worried about IPFS. Eventually even ordinary people will see its merits, specialised clients will emerge (they are already emerging). [16:49] schestowitz Ariadne: I'll be around the rest of the day, didn't leave the hosue [16:49] vZS1_2 IPFS CID index sites will become as common and Bittorrent torrent file and magnet link index sites. [16:49] schestowitz the lawyers worry about it [16:49] schestowitz they call it "blockchain" [16:49] schestowitz collectively [16:49] schestowitz they use buzzwords their brain cannot grasp [16:49] schestowitz and then they talk of "AYE PEE" [16:50] schestowitz and how blockchain affects "AYE PEE" [16:50] schestowitz like, they cannot do site takedown with "AYE PEE" demand letters [16:50] schestowitz and that worries their "clients" [16:50] MinceR it hurts when IP [16:50] vZS1_2 lmao [16:50] schestowitz like rich studios [16:50] schestowitz which make "content" with "protection" [16:50] schestowitz (DRM) [16:51] schestowitz MinceR: it hurts, that why they shout "Hey AYE!" [16:51] schestowitz The AIs are taking all our IPs!! [16:52] MinceR I.P. Freeley ● Nov 12 [17:03] vZS1_2 schestowitz: I'll try this script I cobbled together, the next time you push a new IPFS index update. If it works, I'll set it up as a cron job. I've already got that hook I showed you earlier installed, so that is a part of this. [17:03] vZS1_2 https://pastebin.com/yXQjy2Fz [17:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-#!/bin/bash# Keep all directory handling dynamic.repo_path="/home/pi/tec - Pastebin.com [17:06] schestowitz vZS1_2: question [17:06] schestowitz do you want to help script something to upload past irc logs too? [17:06] schestowitz those are easy to do [17:06] schestowitz I can help with pointers [17:07] schestowitz we have 12+ years of IRC logs [17:07] vZS1_2 When I have the time, sure. [17:07] schestowitz we can process a year's worth [17:07] schestowitz 365x4 [17:07] schestowitz maybe 60mb total [17:07] schestowitz uncompressed [17:09] schestowitz it should also be possible to retroactively generate text versions for all prior days [17:09] schestowitz I can think of a simple implementation [17:10] Ariadne i think we are at least another decade away from actual AI [17:10] schestowitz loop through each day, get index in wordpress, get list of urls, then cycle one at a time, add to daily text file [17:11] schestowitz Ariadne: hey hi, 2030! [17:11] schestowitz show me to yoooor liddder [17:11] schestowitz (I usually say "hey hi" like those hollywood robots with the funny voice) [17:13] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:14] Ariadne schestowitz: i also think actual AI is not really something humans should pursue [17:14] Ariadne of course, the tech companies will anyway [17:14] schestowitz automation I guess [17:14] schestowitz "hey hi" is way too vague [17:14] vZS1_2 Once I'm done automating index consumption and mirroring, I'll automate the whole IPFS setup as well. That way people can just set up a mirror on any *nix OS. [17:14] schestowitz remember those chess-gaming engines [17:14] schestowitz back in what... the 60s? [17:15] Ariadne and when Amazon(r) Alexa(tm) becomes self-aware and hacks the nuclear codes and becomes Skynet and kills us all, welp, i'll have told them so [17:15] schestowitz maybe even crude ones in the 50s [17:15] vZS1_2 Reproducibility is important, that's why I'm automating everytihng from the start. [17:15] schestowitz most of today's "hey hi" is already miles ahead of the average trump supporter [17:15] Ariadne yes, but it's not hard AI [17:15] Ariadne its largely decision trees and pattern matching [17:15] schestowitz Ariadne: not sure about the objective value of >old< archives [17:16] schestowitz given that ipfs discoverability seems not to exist, like search [17:16] schestowitz Ariadne: many machine learning algos are that [17:16] schestowitz neural networks, support vectors.. [17:16] Ariadne anyway, once quantum computing becomes economically feasible, hard AI is only one of several problems we will have [17:16] schestowitz they're just of a larger scale and more sophisticated with broader parameterisation space [17:17] schestowitz more space/memory/cpu [17:17] schestowitz and the "clown" [17:17] Ariadne crypto as we know it being completely useless is another problem we will have [17:17] schestowitz the problem is ethics [17:17] schestowitz not "hey hi" per se [17:17] schestowitz you can make a drone kill people with dump operators, so-called pilots' [17:17] schestowitz and they'd just do it [17:18] schestowitz I was online friend with the biggest drone killer [17:18] CrystalMath Ariadne: there is quantum safe cryptography [17:18] schestowitz after he had become a whisleblower [17:18] schestowitz bryant [17:18] Ariadne CrystalMath: yes, but [17:18] schestowitz he killed over 1600 with his drones [17:18] CrystalMath Ariadne: i think it should already be deployed tbh; i have doubts that RSA is uncrackable even by traditional means [17:18] Ariadne CrystalMath: will it be deployed in time? :) [17:18] CrystalMath implementations of quantum safe crypto already exist [17:18] Ariadne yes [17:18] Ariadne i know [17:19] Ariadne however, we are not using them [17:19] CrystalMath but yes it's not in GPG [17:19] CrystalMath which sucks [17:19] CrystalMath i heard that Jacob Appelbaum is working on this [17:20] schestowitz has he published papers from Eidenhoven? [17:20] schestowitz (Spelling) [17:20] vZS1_2 Nothing in GPG, when used properly, can be brute forced by a computer based on quantum phsysics. [17:21] vZS1_2 Take your BS somewhere else [17:21] vZS1_2 And show a published paper that demonstrates the case, reproducibly. [17:21] schestowitz corporate media keeps using these terms [17:22] schestowitz like people use tesla's name [17:22] vZS1_2 Oh. This guy is someone I ignored on my phone. Can see the reason now. [17:22] Ariadne i don't know either way about GPG using QC-safe algorithms [17:22] Ariadne i was talking more about shit like banks [17:22] Ariadne which are using state of the 1970s tech [17:23] schestowitz and windows :-) [17:23] vZS1_2 ECDSA in particular, can't be touched by even the quantum computers of today [17:23] schestowitz well, Microsoft was founded 1975 [17:23] schestowitz barely survived until IBM was pressured by bill's mom to give a deal [17:23] schestowitz amid antitrust woes [17:23] Ariadne vZS1_2: yes, ECC is quantum-safe, if you use the right curve [17:23] Ariadne if you use the wrong curve, it is potentially worse than RSA [17:23] schestowitz bad tech started with bad nepotism [17:24] Ariadne hince why people do not trust curve256p1 [17:24] schestowitz kikistocracy in the tech domain [17:24] Ariadne curve25519 is likely QC safe [17:24] vZS1_2 ECDSA with curve 25519 is resistant to computers orders of magnitude "more powerful" than any quantum computer today. [17:24] Ariadne whether RSA is QC safe is unknown [17:24] vZS1_2 Bloody ignorant troll [17:24] Ariadne has not been proven either way [17:25] vZS1_2 RSA is still unbroken [17:25] vZS1_2 No one has demonstrably broken it. Even with quantum computers. [17:25] vZS1_2 2048 RSA and above [17:25] Ariadne in fairness, the quantum computers we have right now are quite limited [17:25] Ariadne that's why i said likely at least another decade before that pandora's box is opened [17:26] Ariadne but either way, there's a lot of state of the 1970s crypto in use in all sorts of places [17:26] vZS1_2 That's just bad security policy. [17:26] Ariadne credit card processing is still standardized on 3DES [17:27] vZS1_2 You won't see good security practices in consumer products. [17:27] vZS1_2 Very rare [17:27] vZS1_2 Private security is in a much better state. [17:29] Ariadne sure, it is possible for informed people to build their own constructions with superior cryptographic primitives [17:29] Ariadne but those informed people have to interface with the rest of the world to get things done [17:30] Ariadne and if i were to bet, i would bet that NSA et al are working on plans to use their quantum computers to attack things like bitcoin [17:31] *inky (~inky@37.252.67.70) has joined #techrights [17:32] Ariadne the nation state has every reason to do so, really [17:32] vZS1_2 A lot of these systems rely on not being accessible by the rest of the world. Hence "private", in a very literal sense. [17:38] vZS1_2 A 256-bit subkey (curve 25519) in GPG requires somewhere around 2^{128} bit operations to break. That's much more offered than any quantum computer available today. [17:40] vZS1_2 All computation requires a certain amount of heat. It's physically infeasible to do that many bit operations on even a quantum computer. [17:40] vZS1_2 The sun will expand and consume the earth before that many bit operations are done. [17:41] vZS1_2 ^ On a quantum computer [17:42] CrystalMath vZS1_2: that is true, but what if there actually is an algorithm for fast factoring that we just don't know about? [17:42] CrystalMath it's proven to be NP-complete, but that's not enough [17:42] CrystalMath after all, we don't know whether this class is really outside the class of P-problems [17:43] CrystalMath i lean towards P != NP [17:43] vZS1_2 Go prove it and claim your Turin Award. [17:43] vZS1_2 Turing [17:46] CrystalMath i actually lean towards the idea that it's impossible [17:46] CrystalMath but to be on the safe side [17:46] CrystalMath it's better to go for problems proven to be NP-hard [17:46] CrystalMath which are safe from quantum attacks as well [17:47] CrystalMath Ariadne: bitcoin is not RSA-based [17:47] CrystalMath things like cryptographic hashes are still safe [17:48] Ariadne CrystalMath: no, but it is hashing based [17:48] CrystalMath also, symmetric encryption is safe [17:48] CrystalMath AES-256 [17:48] *vZS1_2 has quit (Quit: vZS1_2) [17:48] CrystalMath CAST5 has such a poor key size, i think a quantum computer will be able to break it in a month [17:48] CrystalMath canada's gonna need something better :P [17:49] Ariadne a lot of systems use AES-128 for speed [17:49] CrystalMath AES-256 is not feasibly crackable even by a quantum computer [17:54] MinceR https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cho9NTEWwAA5_YF.jpg ● Nov 12 [18:01] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:02] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [18:24] schestowitz https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201107/19082845665/mississippi-city-trying-to-turn-residents-doorbell-cameras-into-law-enforcement-surveillance-network.shtml [18:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mississippi City Trying To Turn Residents' Doorbell Cameras Into Law Enforcement Surveillance Network | Techdirt [18:35] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:39] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144300 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b1ee3cc3-ecd4-4ce0-a80a-211e09a23a5b] [18:40] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Ring Doorbells are being recalled now for burning people's houses down. [18:40] schestowitz smart fires [18:40] DaemonFC[m] Maybe Mandy's paranoid schizophrenic sister will be one of them. [18:41] schestowitz they target the stupid people [18:43] DaemonFC[m] Just like BMW, Apple, and the truck water people. [18:44] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Purism upgrades the Librem 5 Linux phone battery to 4,500 mAh ahead of shipping http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144284#comment-27129 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1a776d2f-c7af-4591-8591-9d3bc419a12b] [18:45] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian 11 Picks Its Default Theme http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144295#comment-27128 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ba7971bb-a433-4a9e-9ecd-999bf51ed031] [18:47] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144299 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c097806c-b9bc-4813-b622-aa37f2bbff6c] [18:48] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The Private Internet Access Linux software got much better since the open sourcing and Wireguard. [18:49] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Linux Performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144298 [https://pleroma.site/objects/80f5a0b3-4d48-4129-bfb0-d8965544a4d1] [18:49] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Announcing the Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel Release 6 Update 1 for Oracle Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144297 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4ecef150-4067-4242-8029-827f57778ba8] [18:52] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [18:52] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: home insurance companies will start charging those "Smart" homeowners more [18:52] schestowitz for risk of fire [18:56] DaemonFC[m] Nice. [18:56] DaemonFC[m] Mandy wanted one. I told him absolutely not. [18:57] DaemonFC[m] Mom asked why. I said because they're spyware and they phone into marketing companies and Facebook behind your back, and the police can tap right into them without your permission or knowledge. [18:57] schestowitz you just join a police-led botnets [18:57] schestowitz and you paid to join these botnets [18:57] schestowitz *pay [18:57] schestowitz not paid [18:57] schestowitz they should PAY people to get these [18:57] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, you pay and then maybe you end up like the guy in Michigan. [18:57] DaemonFC[m] Whose own doorbell caught him committing a felony. [18:58] DaemonFC[m] Now he's in court and what is he going to say? [18:58] schestowitz not so smart then [18:58] schestowitz many people carry microphones with cams to all places [18:58] schestowitz even the toilets [18:58] schestowitz some wear them on the wrist now [18:58] schestowitz like prisoners.... actually, prisoners aren't allowed that yet [18:58] schestowitz so they can shit in peace [18:59] schestowitz no wrist-worn wifi-connected cameras [18:59] schestowitz because that would be too "smart" ● Nov 12 [19:03] DaemonFC[m] Cory Lewandowski, one of Trump's advisors, has the Coronavirus. [19:03] DaemonFC[m] I always refer to him as Carl Brutananadilewski, like in Aqua Teen Hunger Force. [19:04] DaemonFC[m] That fat New Jersey asshole they have next door who runs around in sandals, sweatpants, and a wife beater shirt, and always has bad ideas. Technically an antagonist, but usually too stupid to come up with anything truly threatening and often the butt of the jokes. [19:06] DaemonFC[m] The comcast person put in my gmail account with a typo, but I was able to get in and fix that. [19:07] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: PIA plays too many games with their pricing. [19:08] DaemonFC[m] Like there's usually a coupon you get if you click through from some affiliate site. [19:08] DaemonFC[m] But it's only for new users so you have to let your subscription expire, find another referral, and make a new account. [19:10] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144301 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9d0d1881-b956-4bc8-bb16-bf3d1bc847aa] [19:12] Ariadne ==> Installing Alpine Linux in /var/lib/lxc/mysql-shared/rootfs [19:12] Ariadne time to get back to it [19:12] Ariadne :D [19:16] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144302 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2476b175-c21b-4375-97d3-13af291bcb89] [19:18] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144303 [https://pleroma.site/objects/71330973-968d-4a65-88e5-933f330e1787] [19:27] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 12/11/2020: Next Debian Theme, Proxmox Backup Server 1.0 http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/next-debian-theme/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/9c970146-be68-4bef-b51f-a94d68b03560] [19:28] XRevan86 https://nitter.net/gvanrossum/status/1326932991566700549 huh? huh [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Guido van Rossum (@gvanrossum): "I decided that retirement was boring and have joined the Developer Division at Microsoft. To do what? Too many options to say! But itll make using Python better for sure (and not just on Windows :-). Theres lots of open source here. Watch this space." | nitter [19:35] schestowitz Python is dead then [19:35] schestowitz unless it's a satire account [19:39] schestowitz [19:37] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): Deleting all #python from my RSS feeds right now. #deletePython [https://pleroma.site/objects/359d0009-6e7a-4112-9336-88bca10603a5] [19:39] schestowitz [19:38] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): NEWS #Counterpunch I'm Not Convinced https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/11/11/im-not-convinced/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/83fe6184-ad8a-45d3-8ad4-bcfb98b59ac7] [19:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [19:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I'm Not Convinced - CounterPunch.org [19:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [19:39] schestowitz He's already shilling #microsoft #proprietary software [19:41] MinceR rip python [19:42] schestowitz yup [19:42] schestowitz it's all about money [19:43] schestowitz it was already getting disturbing when they took MS bribes and they advertised Azure for that money [19:43] schestowitz his timeline is shilling bad stuff [19:43] schestowitz dropbox was bad enough [19:43] schestowitz this is even worse [19:43] schestowitz and some people tell us we're not under attack [19:43] schestowitz while they pay loads of money to recruit people to defect [19:44] schestowitz and to help attack our community projects [19:54] schestowitz Guido van Icaza. ● Nov 12 [20:01] vZS1 What needs to change is the fanboyism [20:03] vZS1 Newcomers to the community are the ones most vulnerable to this kind of shilling [20:03] vZS1 Because they fanboy over "leaders" [20:03] vZS1 X said Y, so Y must be true. [20:04] vZS1 For arbitrary "leader" X [20:05] vZS1 Python already pissed off a lot of people by dropping support for Python 2. [20:06] vZS1 Python leadership* [20:08] DaemonFC[m] Windows wouldn't even by my 3rd choice anymore. [20:09] DaemonFC[m] It's rotting so bad, and they're not even removing the shit. Like the control panel. They just swept the classic one under the rug so the binaries are still there but you can't open it unless you know some magic command. [20:10] DaemonFC[m] It makes it appear to be less of a mess when you do hundreds of things like that without actually solving the mess, bloat, rotting code, etc. [20:11] DaemonFC[m] It doesn't look like there's many important changes that landed in Ubuntu 20.10 or KDE Plasma Workspaces 5.19. [20:11] DaemonFC[m] So I'll just stay on the LTS. [20:12] DaemonFC[m] It's not worth getting back on those rapid releases when there's nothing new that's all that important. [20:12] DaemonFC[m] My hardware is already well supported by the LTS, so there's that. [20:13] DaemonFC[m] Apple is the one where every minor feature is a major feat of engineering. [20:13] oiaohm vZS1: do remember python 2 is open source and no one was willing to put up the resources to keep it maintained once they saw the internal problems. [20:13] DaemonFC[m] Throw out the computer. The new one has Dark Mode. Herp derp. [20:14] vZS1 icode [20:14] MinceR lol [20:18] oiaohm vZS1: https://snarky.ca/why-python-3-exists/ python 3 comes out of unfixable design errors in python2 causing a lot of fun errors. [20:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-snarky.ca | Why Python 3 exists [20:18] oiaohm There is no way to fix those errors without breaking python 2 exact compadiblity. [20:19] oiaohm Avoiding those errors in python2 also means making your code python3 compadible. [20:19] DaemonFC[m] Comcast just hit my modem with new firmware. [20:19] DaemonFC[m] That brought down my internet connection apparently. [20:19] DaemonFC[m] It's back up now. [20:20] oiaohm I have a backup modem. [20:20] oiaohm Just in case they brick it. [20:21] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [20:21] DaemonFC[m] I'm surprised Netgear is still sending new firmware out for something from 2013, myself. [20:22] oiaohm Being netgear if it a carrier provided moden the carrier can have the complete source to build new versions. [20:23] oiaohm So that might not be netgear that could be comcast made update. [20:23] oiaohm Of course that can really increase the risk of bricked it. [20:27] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/trolley-2 [20:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Trolley [20:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Microsoft Playing Hardball and Talking Double Dutch to Undermine the Free Software Community http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/microsoft-playing-double-dutch/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/69366ea2-2223-4f4b-b483-f8fec3f55f4a] [20:29] schestowitz XRevan86: MinceR ^^ [20:29] schestowitz part of a pattern [20:29] schestowitz Ariadne: is now a good time for a 2-hour nap for me? or later on? [20:30] MinceR i guess it's time for me to look for another lisp dialect to target instead of hy [20:30] MinceR i guess i'll go with common lisp [20:30] schestowitz (I want to help where I can, the migration...) [20:35] vZS1 After I automate this IPFS thing, fully, I'm going to sit down and do some more Haskell programming. [20:35] vZS1 I've been enjoy Haskell a lot. [20:36] vZS1 enjoying* [20:37] vZS1 The immutability is really nice [20:44] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [20:44] MinceR especially for implementing algorithms that depend on mutable state :> [20:47] vZS1 That's all magic we don't talk about [20:47] MinceR mathemagic [20:48] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc0f:7c00:9d78:8894:8f6f:9e9d) has joined #techrights [20:54] schestowitz going to nap [20:54] schestowitz back around midnight to generate the daily files [20:55] MinceR have fun ● Nov 12 [21:05] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:09] DaemonFC[m] It's not a carrier modem. [21:09] DaemonFC[m] Bought it to avoid paying Comcast $6 a month in 2013 and now they charge $14 a month for a modem. [21:17] XRevan86 One good thing is that he is no longer in charge. [21:34] MinceR (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/14/22eed561963bdc1a.jpg [21:42] *inky (~inky@188.115.250.15) has joined #techrights [21:47] *chomwitt has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.3) [21:56] *Chaekyung has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [21:57] *Chaekyung (chaekyung@2001:2002:51ed:cee0::) has joined #techrights ● Nov 12 [22:08] CrystalMath i started a channel known as ##antihumanism for people who realize humans are a threat to the planet [22:08] CrystalMath tbh, it's very much like an alien invasion... [22:09] CrystalMath in every alien invasion movie, you have aliens landing and using superior technology to destroy everything [22:09] CrystalMath well that's exactly what's happening to our planet [22:09] CrystalMath only we are the aliens [22:09] CrystalMath and we're the bad ones [22:14] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:16] *inky (~inky@188.115.250.15) has joined #techrights [22:44] DaemonFC[m] I was looking at the Wikipedia entry for Alzheimer's Disease. [22:44] DaemonFC[m] About the only countries not severely affected are the ones where hardly anyone makes it past 65 anyway. [22:46] DaemonFC[m] People are blaming everything for it though, but again...it scales with life expectancy. Maybe it's just something we'll never solve. [22:48] smnthermes > [17:18:16] TechrightsBot-tr: [notice] snarky.ca | Why Python 3 exists [22:48] smnthermes The Unicode part is a bit silly, because much documentation is only available in English anyway, so [22:48] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Walmart's pulling a fast one. [22:48] DaemonFC[m] They have an ibotta offer saying free Thanksgiving dinner, and then the actual products aren't in any of the stores when you get there. [22:48] MinceR assuming that everything is unicode will only end in tears anyway [22:49] DaemonFC[m] Or cows. [22:49] DaemonFC[m] Unicows [22:49] DaemonFC[m] .dll [22:49] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/4cMJrae.png [22:50] DaemonFC[m] https://runescape.fandom.com/wiki/Unicow [22:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-runescape.fandom.com | Unicow | RuneScape Wiki | Fandom [22:51] MinceR RunEscape [22:51] DaemonFC[m] Al Bundy [22:52] DaemonFC[m] "Well then here's what I'll do. I'll start strangling you. When you reach the shade of blue that is acceptable to you, yell moo, and I'll stop.". [22:52] MinceR :) [22:55] DaemonFC[m] I actually have a Hulu and a Netflix account. [22:55] DaemonFC[m] Mom shared her Netflix password and Sprint offered me a Hulu account and my phone bill is the same with or without it. ● Nov 12 [23:03] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:05] *inky (~inky@188.115.250.15) has joined #techrights [23:07] vZS1 My family all use my Netflix account [23:07] DaemonFC[m] Ah, there we go. Found thee disable WPS PIN. [23:07] DaemonFC[m] Now REAVER attacks shouldn't work. [23:08] vZS1 I think I can have Netflix simultaneously logged in on 4 devices, for my account. [23:15] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:17] *inky (~inky@188.115.250.15) has joined #techrights [23:23] *viera has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:23] *Blue_flame has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:24] *Blue_flame (kopynewmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hgpvtifsipuhixhm) has joined #techrights [23:57] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, the COVID is just getting.... [23:58] DaemonFC[m] This is turning into The Stand. [23:58] DaemonFC[m] We set new records for the third day in a row. [23:58] DaemonFC[m] It's already over 150,000 new cases today. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-121120.txt

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