●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 ●●

● Nov 10
[00:00]	schestowitz	his third wife is divorcing him
[00:00]	schestowitz	and he won't be getting sex with his daughter any time soon
[00:00]	schestowitz	though he can always pay pr0n stars whom he tells they "remind me of my daughter"
[00:01]	schestowitz	https://www.businessinsider.com/stormy-daniels-trump-ivanka-daughter-2018-3?r=US&IR=T
[00:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Stormy Daniels says Trump told her 'you remind me of my daughter' - Business Insider
[00:01]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/af9936bafd40b4c7.mp4
[00:01]	schestowitz	https://me.me/i/dsiam-you-remind-me-of-my-daughter-follow-us-at-21315648
[00:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dsiam YOU REMIND ME OF MY DAUGHTER Follow Us at the Everlasting GOP Stoppers << | Gop Meme on ME.ME
[00:02]	schestowitz	https://imgur.com/gallery/IFNnD
[00:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"You remind me of my daughter..." - Album on Imgur
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[00:03]	MinceR	> Trump is a ghast
[00:03]	MinceR	dangerous undead! kill it quickly!
[00:03]	schestowitz	https://imgflip.com/i/27d2cx
[00:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Image tagged in trump mitch - Imgflip
[00:03]	DaemonFC[m]	Where did you hear of a divorce?
[00:04]	schestowitz	see the news
[00:04]	schestowitz	trump aide
[00:04]	schestowitz	some tabloid took it further
[00:04]	schestowitz	and actually said they're divorcing
[00:04]	schestowitz	without direct and complete proof
[00:04]	MinceR	"You're a funny guy Sully, I like you. That's why I'm going to kill you last."
[00:05]	schestowitz	Said the lion
[00:05]	MinceR	no, said John Matrix
[00:06]	schestowitz	what's that?
[00:06]	schestowitz	who's that?
[00:07]	schestowitz	matrix on the toilet bowl?
[00:07]	schestowitz	Him? https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/af9936bafd40b4c7.mp4
[00:07]	schestowitz	(her?)
[00:07]	schestowitz	(they?)
[00:08]	MinceR	no, not that cat
[00:08]	MinceR	the protagonist of Commando
[00:10]	Ariadne	I am planning on doing so
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[00:11]	Ariadne	so I bought an xbox series x
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[00:11]	Ariadne	this shit still requires AA batteries
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[00:24]	MinceR	lol
[00:41]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #FreeSoftware Freedom is Not Linux http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/thomas-grzybowski-on-freesw/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/ee20f281-7181-434c-9b8a-28cb8254b0be]
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[00:56]	MinceR	https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/02/61d343087570d45d.jpg
● Nov 10
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[01:30]	MinceR	https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/02/68c1e97b2b84a67e.jpg
[01:31]	XRevan86	MinceR: The Klingon is not a real Klingon. Truly a No True Scotsman fallacy.
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[01:38]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/several-us-utilities-back-out-deal-build-novel-nuclear-power-plant
[01:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sciencemag.org | Several U.S. utilities back out of deal to build novel nuclear power plant | Science | AAAS
[01:38]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Nowhere is Bill Gates mentioned.
[01:42]	schestowitz	why?
[01:42]	schestowitz	he has some stakes with Nathan Trollville
[01:42]	schestowitz	but is this directly related to him?
[01:43]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, Gates was backing these
[01:43]	DaemonFC[m]	Pitching them as a solution to climate change.
[01:43]	schestowitz	this particular set of companies?
[01:44]	DaemonFC[m]	Now the utility companies are backing off and Trump was trying to bail it out with DOE money.
[01:44]	schestowitz	(I did not read it)
[01:44]	DaemonFC[m]	Nuscale, yeah.
[01:44]	schestowitz	yeah, but not only Gates said that
[01:44]	schestowitz	or backed that financially
[01:44]	schestowitz	Is this article about this company alone?
[01:45]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, as it relates to the utilities that are backing out of it.
[01:45]	DaemonFC[m]	They said it would cost too much to bother investing in.
[01:45]	schestowitz	where does it mention this one specifically?
[01:47]	schestowitz	can't just look for any article about nukes (power) or vaccine and blame only "Gates"!
[01:47]	schestowitz	That would sound silly and petty
[01:48]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: I am doing a meme about your BFF
[01:48]	schestowitz	RIAAn
[01:48]	schestowitz	Biden
[01:48]	schestowitz	Riden Biden
[01:48]	schestowitz	Rianne? Nope.
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[01:50]	MinceR	https://nitter.net/japantimes/status/1325671995481202690
[01:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | The Japan Times (@japantimes): "Meet 'Jo Baiden,' the internet-famous mayor of a small Japanese town http://jtim.es/OjDk30rj8AF" | nitter
[01:51]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: MinceR http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/drake-riaa-meme/
[01:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] For Free Software to be Freedom-Respecting Its Development and Distribution Need to be Decentralised and Widely Distributed, Not Centralised and Monopolised by Microsofts GitHub | Techrights
[01:51]	schestowitz	can you spot typos?
[01:54]	MinceR	i can't spot any, but i don't understand why merkel would care about shithub
[01:54]	schestowitz	merkle trees
[01:54]	schestowitz	IPFS above here
[01:54]	schestowitz	*her
[01:55]	MinceR	ouch
[01:55]	MinceR	i'd gladly replace all of the Christian Fundamentalist Union (CDU+CSU) with a Merkle tree
[01:57]	schestowitz	aye
[01:59]	MinceR	https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/20/7281eae7b94e9098.jpg
● Nov 10
[02:03]	XRevan86	"recent events in GitHub" sounds like GitHub being an event tracker
[02:03]	XRevan86	"as GNU had warned years before Microsoft bought it" ambiguous pronoun
[02:04]	XRevan86	MinceR: "but for those are are baffled" "I can't spot any" :P
[02:05]	MinceR	yes, those aren't easy to spot
[02:05]	MinceR	like "the the"
[02:05]	XRevan86	"To be very, very clear (and avoid misunderstandings)" I'd rather word it like "and to avoid any misunderstanding"
[02:07]	XRevan86	"we are glad that Joe Biden beat Donald Trump" beaten?
[02:08]	MinceR	beaten is past participle
[02:09]	XRevan86	I'm not sure how exactly "beat" functions here.
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[02:10]	XRevan86	"and that sort of pressure too isnt guaranteed to accomplish anything" what guarantees here? no auxiliary pronoun here.
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[02:13]	XRevan86	"and even that sort of pressure isn't a guarantee that anything will be accomplished" this is how I would've said it.
[02:13]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144193 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b29c540d-1a0a-4a48-8b19-205ac2051dea]
[02:14]	XRevan86	MinceR: I'm such a picky little prude that I notice everything :)
[02:15]	MinceR	i don't see what this has to do with being a prude :>
[02:17]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 10/11/2020: Grep 3.6, LiVES 3.2.0 and Curl Developer Daniel Stenberg Gets US Visa After 3-Year Limbo http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/grep-3-6/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/b3aafae3-4120-472d-9cfe-aaff8b5bf4c9]
[02:18]	XRevan86	The connotation is not right a pedant
[02:18]	MinceR	:>
[02:20]	XRevan86	or a C programmer
[02:21]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144194 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ee7d4e06-110f-4576-a67d-3a843baf66f4]
[02:22]	MinceR	C program run. C program crash. C programmer cry.
[02:24]	XRevan86	C programme corrected, C programme run, C programme leak, C programmer run vinagre, C programmer cry
[02:24]	MinceR	:)
[02:24]	MinceR	programme? how british of you :>
[02:25]	XRevan86	MinceR: You just noticed, mate?
[02:25]	MinceR	indeed
[02:31]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/16/f854a84f7bcb964a.mp4
[02:33]	oiaohm	XRevan86: its not right to use Beaten trump yet with Biden as Trump could go to the courts yet.
[02:33]	oiaohm	USA law does not make it absolute that you have to win the vote.
[02:34]	XRevan86	oiaohm: Does it make sense to use "beat"? he beat him
[02:36]	XRevan86	Now that I wrote this I understand that this is past tense and now I feel silly.
[02:36]	XRevan86	But the oiaohm's remark applies to it too, so there's that.
[02:37]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz My hope was that we'd be called in for interview with immigration after there was a new sheriff in town, so to speak.
[02:37]	oiaohm	XRevan86: Biden has technical beat Trump in the in the votes.    So beat is kind of right.   Beaten is past as in over.   While trump has the courts its not over..
[02:37]	DaemonFC[m]	One of the first batches of executive orders is to incinerate everything Trump did on Immigration.
[02:38]	oiaohm	We all wish we could say Trump is beaten.
[02:38]	XRevan86	oiaohm: Right, I see.
[02:39]	XRevan86	up as well :)
[02:39]	DaemonFC[m]	That idiot is going to sit and watch everything he did get thrown into a big fire and all he can do is complain and possibly get banned from Twitter finally.
[02:39]	oiaohm	XRevan86: also remember Trump has not conceded either.   So  is still attempting to fight the result.
[02:40]	DaemonFC[m]	It won't work.
[02:40]	oiaohm	Basically Biden and Trump we are mid fight with Trump looking horrible beat up and demarding to return to the ring.
[02:40]	XRevan86	It really won't. It's pathetic.
[02:41]	DaemonFC[m]	Not only won't it work, many Republicans have all called to congratulate Biden and tell Republicans to shut the fuck up and accept that they lost.
[02:41]	XRevan86	oiaohm: Like a Black Night.
[02:41]	XRevan86	* Knight
[02:43]	DaemonFC[m]	Even Fox News is now cutting away from his pressers and refusing to broadcast it.
[02:43]	XRevan86	'Tis but a scratch!
[02:44]	XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: So he's become a liability, that's very nice.
[02:44]	DaemonFC[m]	This Trump "I was cheated." shit show is so sad to watch that not even the open sewer of Fox News is interested in being part of it anymore.
[02:45]	oiaohm	XRevan86: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs  Yep very much the monty python black knight and trump is the black knight.
[02:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python - The Black Knight - Tis But A Scratch - YouTube
[02:45]	DaemonFC[m]	That's like Russia Today cutting away from Putin. I mean, you'd never expect it in a million years.
[02:46]	oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: horrible part is Australian sky news that is basically sub of Fox News is in boots and all with trump.
[02:46]	MinceR	lol
[02:47]	XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: The whole system and media are dependent on Putin, so they really will go down with him.
[02:47]	DaemonFC[m]	For what it's worth, I'm sorry that just barely enough of my country was foolish enough to select his electors last time. If it helps, he didn't get a majority or anything close to it in the popular vote.
[02:48]	XRevan86	If the numbers are in I'll calculate the results with the equal states voting.
[02:48]	MinceR	i'm guessing this is not enough of a lesson for the "democrats" to make them start trying to fix this atrocious system
[02:48]	DaemonFC[m]	He did get more votes this time, but it was because he found some more scumbuckets to turn out apparently, but you can't just do very well in Indiana, obviously. Not in an electoral college system.
[02:48]	XRevan86	It's pretty obvious that they'll be in between the popular vote and the electoral college results.
[02:50]	XRevan86	MinceR: It's not in their interests, they know how to challenge Republicans.
[02:50]	MinceR	yes, i can see
[02:50]	MinceR	it worked so well in 2016
[02:50]	XRevan86	An open political field will catch them off guard.
[02:50]	MinceR	and in 2000
[02:51]	XRevan86	MinceR: And the alternative is fading into obscurity
[02:51]	MinceR	and in 1888
[02:52]	MinceR	and in 1876
[02:52]	XRevan86	While parties with better programmes take the lead.
[02:52]	MinceR	and never, ever, for the "democrats"
[02:52]	XRevan86	MinceR: You went too far back, they were flipped back then.
[02:52]	XRevan86	Democrats were the evil twin back then
[02:53]	MinceR	yes, but the name and identity of the parties is the same
[02:53]	MinceR	and they don't care about good or evil, they only care about power
[02:54]	XRevan86	Ironically, because republicans are red as in calling for change :)
[02:54]	MinceR	well, they're calling for change... towards a dictatorship
[02:54]	XRevan86	and republican as in they don't want just a democratic monarchy or whichever the UK has
[02:55]	MinceR	that's called a constitutional monarchy
[02:55]	MinceR	and neither of them deserve their names
[02:55]	XRevan86	It's just another example how a political party or symbolism can change, to a literal opposite.
[02:59]	XRevan86	MinceR: Pretty much so, they will undermine anything if it helps them gain power, even going to a dictatorship.
[02:59]	XRevan86	Typical Lukashenko.
● Nov 10
[03:03]	XRevan86	Maybe if the movement for reform of the shit vote counting system is strong and vocal enough, they'd actually deliver. But I don't think they'll express initiative in this matter.
[03:05]	XRevan86	It's obvious that the Republicans are strongly against counting on popular vote, but removing the electoral college in favour of state relative counting just might get universal support.
[03:06]	XRevan86	It does shift power away from the Republicans, but reduction of randomness might be considered worth it even by them.
[03:11]	XRevan86	This is not enough though and something to replace the second level of FPTP is also necessary, like a second tour system. Now this aspect is more controversial, because the only thing this solves is the two party hegemony in the presidential election. They wouldn't want that ever.
[03:11]	MinceR	:>
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[03:26]	XRevan86	To be fair, the only reason why I talk about this is because the way counting is done matters a lot in the US. In Russia it's done right, but it doesn't matter.
[03:39]	XRevan86	It's pretty strange that Belarus' has FPTP for presidential elections, because Lukashenko fought his political opponents.
[03:40]	XRevan86	To make use of the useful properties of FPTP the eternal president should instead foster the opposition, make it bigger and more diverse
[03:40]	XRevan86	It's bad when the eternal president has one strong opponent, it's great when two or more. The more the merrier.
[03:41]	XRevan86	There's always danger that they'll unite, that should be prevented at all costs.
[03:44]	XRevan86	But if the opposition is weak and gives just one candidate, then the eternal president may have a problem that he will have then to fix in post.
[03:52]	XRevan86	But if the opposition is weak and gives just one candidate, then the eternal president may have a problem that he will have then to fix in post.
● Nov 10
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● Nov 10
[05:28]	DaemonFC[m]	In Russia, Biden would have "lost" and then had some extra polonium in his coffee one day.
[05:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Or a ricin umbrella perhaps.
[05:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Or strangely came down with dioxin poisoning.
[05:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Or carelessly walked out a window for reasons unknown.
[05:30]	DaemonFC[m]	The Russian doctor who lived may even do it a second time for some reason.
[05:31]	DaemonFC[m]	There really needs to be a commission on window safety. All of the Russian doctors on the commission will walk out of a window  though.
[05:35]	DaemonFC[m]	https://thetakeout.com/mcdonald-s-mcplant-sends-beyond-meat-stock-into-chaos-1845624026
[05:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thetakeout.com | McDonalds debuts McPlant, sends Beyond Meat stock into chaos
[05:35]	DaemonFC[m]	I eat those plant burgers sometimes.
[05:36]	DaemonFC[m]	The impossible whopper at burger king is not really that much different from a regular one.
[05:37]	DaemonFC[m]	That's no small feat I suppose. I never was able to stick to a vegetarian diet for too long even though I felt better and lost weight.
[05:54]	kingoffrance	nah you dont walk out of windows you accidentally trip and fall
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[06:27]	scientes	XRevan86, georgia has proportional representation and it didn't stop "Georgian Dream" from fixing it so they have a majority
[06:28]	scientes	and it didn't stop Germany from having the same twerk for chancellor for eternity
[06:28]	scientes	the same importer of barbarians
[06:29]	scientes	who provides them housing, et cetera
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[06:32]	scientes	XRevan86, Lushenko voted to preserve the USSR
[06:33]	scientes	shows what type of politician he is
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[07:41]	schestowitz	[05:35] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- thetakeout.com | McDonalds debuts McPlant, sends Beyond Meat stock into chaos
[07:41]	schestowitz	Company called something mear
[07:41]	schestowitz	*meat
[07:41]	schestowitz	but doesn't not do meet
[07:42]	schestowitz	negation of what they are
[07:48]	schestowitz	[02:04] <XRevan86> MinceR: "but for those are are baffled" "I can't spot any" :P
[07:48]	schestowitz	now corrected
[07:48]	schestowitz	that's what I'm asking... ;-)
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[07:55]	vZS1	https://files.orf.at/vietnam2/files/fm4/202045/783284_fh_st12143-re01en20_783284.pdf
[07:55]	vZS1	Don't know if real or fake
[07:59]	schestowitz	vZS1: https://youtu.be/miCPfjucsB8
[07:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bert Hubert, PowerDNS - Encryption, data protection and law enforcement - YouTube
[07:59]	schestowitz	encryption is only for criminals are all
[07:59]	schestowitz	and "Soviets"
[07:59]	vZS1	Also, looks like security theatre to me
● Nov 10
[08:00]	vZS1	Because apps don't work without keeping secret keys on the server
[08:00]	vZS1	So there's no real encryption solution
[08:00]	schestowitz	using weakened encryption
[08:00]	vZS1	No such thing
[08:00]	schestowitz	JustAboutEnough(R)
[08:00]	vZS1	Ah yes
[08:01]	schestowitz	NoSuchAgency(TM)
[08:01]	vZS1	How could I forget
[08:01]	vZS1	Just saying though
[08:01]	schestowitz	Nobody would run a processor for 23 hours to crack a password or key
[08:01]	schestowitz	because "tl;dr"
[08:01]	schestowitz	heck
[08:01]	schestowitz	here's a proposal
[08:01]	schestowitz	running a single computer operation should be a crime
[08:01]	schestowitz	because only a criminal would do that
[08:02]	schestowitz	and it's "suspicious activity"
[08:02]	vZS1	It can't possibly be that all these media outlets gloss over the fact that apss have access to private keys
[08:02]	schestowitz	"it looks like you are attempting to crack a password. Please visit intel.com/suspicioisActivity"
[08:02]	vZS1	So any one stupid enough to rely on those apps already have their comms compromised
[08:02]	schestowitz	vZS1: well, "apps" means mobile typically
[08:03]	schestowitz	the mobile has universal back doors
[08:03]	vZS1	Yeah
[08:03]	schestowitz	even Signal is compromised
[08:03]	schestowitz	I can give the Wikileaks/Vault7 URLs for proof
[08:03]	vZS1	No need
[08:03]	schestowitz	banking "apps"
[08:03]	schestowitz	JustAboutEnoughSecurity(R)
[08:03]	vZS1	What I'm saying is this looks like FUD + misinformation
[08:03]	schestowitz	until it fails
[08:04]	schestowitz	then they will "investigate"
[08:04]	schestowitz	not the holes
[08:04]	schestowitz	but who's exploiting them
[08:04]	vZS1	I think it might be an attempt to get criminals to use those apps thinking they're secure
[08:04]	schestowitz	they might need to roll over to the "next back door"
[08:04]	schestowitz	well, petraeus used gmail
[08:05]	schestowitz	though saving messages as "drafts" was secure
[08:05]	schestowitz	and he had headed cia
[08:05]	schestowitz	so that tells you what boneheads run those agencies
[08:05]	vZS1	I still wouldn't get complacent
[08:06]	vZS1	That kind of org is about politics and plutocracy, when it comes to administration
[08:06]	schestowitz	a much of covfefe s
[08:06]	schestowitz	bunch
[08:06]	vZS1	But they still have resources
[08:06]	schestowitz	debt
[08:06]	schestowitz	yes
[08:06]	schestowitz	some resource
[08:06]	schestowitz	canonical still losing by the way
[08:06]	vZS1	And endless stream of it
[08:06]	schestowitz	give me that money
[08:07]	schestowitz	I am good at losing money too :-)
[08:07]	vZS1	An*
[08:07]	schestowitz	capital
[08:07]	schestowitz	he sold a cert giant
[08:07]	schestowitz	now runs a money-burning machine
[08:07]	schestowitz	maybe hoping amazon/vmware/microsoft will buy it off him for mindshare/undermining the desktop userbase
[08:09]	vZS1	Depends. Revenue increased and earnings were less of a loss than last time
[08:10]	vZS1	Thing is, they're not an infrastructure company with big market share. So they can't operate at a loss forever
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[08:11]	vZS1	All depends on if they can hit positive earnings in the next few years
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[08:15]	schestowitz	https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/28/nsa_backdoor_wyden/
[08:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | NSA: We've learned our lesson after foreign spies used one of our crypto backdoors but we can't say how exactly The Register
[08:16]	scientes	schestowitz, lol
[08:16]	scientes	except it is a fake article
[08:19]	schestowitz	what is?
[08:26]	vZS1	I don't trust theregister
[08:26]	vZS1	Same boat as zdnet
[08:27]	schestowitz	sometimes, yes
[08:27]	schestowitz	I was just writing about zdnet
[08:27]	schestowitz	the next article for TR
[08:28]	schestowitz	those sites really just need to retire
[08:28]	schestowitz	but they're funded by those standing to gain from the misinformation.
[08:28]	vZS1	Well that's pretty clear by now
[08:29]	vZS1	They must be subsidised by someone because their business model is unsustainable
[08:29]	vZS1	Just like Mozilla
[08:30]	vZS1	EFF etc
[08:32]	schestowitz	"These Regulations set out the obligations which may be contained in a technical capability notice given by the Secretary of State under section 253 of the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 (c. 25). A technical capability notice imposes obligations on a relevant operator in order to ensure that the operator has the capability to provide assistance in relation to interception warrants, equipment interference warrants, or warrants or
[08:32]	schestowitz	authorisations for the obtaining of communications data. A relevant operator means a postal operator, a telecommunications operator, or a person who is proposing to become either. "
[08:32]	schestowitz	https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2018/353/made
[08:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.legislation.gov.uk | The Investigatory Powers (Technical Capability) Regulations 2018
[08:32]	schestowitz	https://mobile.twitter.com/AlecMuffett/status/1325730449180778497/photo/1
[08:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Twitter
[08:41]	schestowitz	https://shadowproof.com/2020/11/09/assange-closing-argument-extradition-case/
[08:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shadowproof.com | Assange Legal Team Submits Closing Argument Against Extradition
[08:46]	schestowitz	vZS1: today's IRC posting with CIDs in it validated OK
[08:46]	schestowitz	xhtml passed ok
[08:46]	schestowitz	after changing the script a bit
[08:47]	schestowitz	so I think we're no longer in a state of flux and can now fuse together all the scripts on the rapi
[08:47]	schestowitz	later I can put a cron job on it, if it weren't for need to enter password
[08:47]	vZS1	Before you do that
[08:47]	schestowitz	I don't want to put any keys on the rapi
[08:47]	vZS1	You might want to consider compression
[08:47]	schestowitz	(for direct access to main server)
[08:48]	schestowitz	Bandwidth
[08:48]	schestowitz	TotalIn: 4.3 GB
[08:48]	schestowitz	TotalOut: 1.8 GB
[08:48]	schestowitz	1-2gb a day
[08:49]	schestowitz	by compression you mean of datastore?
[08:49]	schestowitz	or in transit?
[08:49]	vZS1	Before you feed a file to IPFS
[08:49]	schestowitz	The indexes will soon grow, about 4000 objects per year
[08:49]	vZS1	Compress with xz (on your desktop).
[08:49]	schestowitz	but then it cannot be accessed easily
[08:50]	vZS1	Fair enough
[08:50]	vZS1	Just saying it would reduce bandwidth load a fair bit
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[08:50]	schestowitz	but when it arrives it'll still be compressed
[08:51]	vZS1	People using IPFS shouldn't have an issue decompressing a file
[08:51]	vZS1	But your files are small
[08:51]	schestowitz	file sizes aren't the main concern to me, tbh
[08:51]	vZS1	So it's not an issue
[08:52]	schestowitz	they're easily compressible
[08:52]	schestowitz	plain text, lots of repeating patterns in the text
[08:52]	vZS1	Yep. Especially the IRC loss
[08:52]	vZS1	logs*
[08:52]	schestowitz	but I wonder, as it grows >1gb
[08:52]	schestowitz	will I be able to remove objects only from my local store?
[08:52]	schestowitz	without removing them from the 'blockchain'?
[08:53]	vZS1	Just say IPFS
[08:53]	schestowitz	it all runs off a tiny microsd card
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[08:53]	schestowitz	also
[08:53]	schestowitz	someone asked about freenet
[08:53]	vZS1	As long as there are other peers pinning
[08:53]	schestowitz	[22:41] <tr_guest|18> why IPFS and not Freenet?
[08:53]	vZS1	You shouldn't worry about it
[08:53]	schestowitz	maybe you could respond to that better
[08:54]	schestowitz	[23:02] <oiaohm> schestowitz: tr_guest|18: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer_web_hosting   There are not really many choices   freenet is lowest performing.    The maintained are Freenet, IPFS, Zeronet and dat.    Osiris, Maelstrom and Blockstack are basically dead.     peerweb.site is the new on on the block don't know if that will last or not.
[08:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Peer-to-peer web hosting - Wikipedia
[08:54]	vZS1	Simple response. IPFS is a practical and working solution.
[08:54]	schestowitz	ok
[08:54]	schestowitz	back to my writings
[08:54]	schestowitz	lots queues for today
[08:54]	schestowitz	in the evening EPO stuff
[08:54]	schestowitz	we have lots of new docs
[08:54]	vZS1	Working now is better than could be working later
[08:54]	schestowitz	be sure to pass around, pin etc.
[08:55]	schestowitz	we were slapped by them several times before
[08:55]	schestowitz	bbl
[08:55]	vZS1	Cya
[08:55]	vZS1	I'll pin the new stuff when I get back on my computer
[08:58]	oiaohm	vZS1: there is a downside/upside to the ipfs  I gave the link for a reason.  If you want anonymous that freenet and zeronet.   All of the p2p webtechs still have the spoofing problems.
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[09:14]	vZS1	Pinned the new stuff.
[09:16]	vZS1	schestowitz: you can get Kingston USB3 memory sticks dirt cheap. Just pick up 2 and plug them into the Pi. They won't draw much current.
[09:16]	vZS1	rsync one of the sticks periodically as backup.
[09:18]	vZS1	Should be more than enough for TR's scale.
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[09:28]	schestowitz	hmmm..
[09:28]	schestowitz	not sure why I thought external backup
[09:29]	schestowitz	the fs size is small enough to just copy across to the machine already backed up periodically
[09:31]	oiaohm	schestowitz: be careful not all Kingston memory sticks are created equal on speed or power draw.
[09:31]	oiaohm	Higher speed higher power draw.
[09:31]	oiaohm	It is possible to exceed a default pi power provide.
[09:32]	vZS1	You could do that too
[09:32]	vZS1	But having attached storage comes with its own benefits
[09:33]	oiaohm	1.2A limit on USB ports of the PI can bite fast.
[09:34]	oiaohm	That is everything plugged in.
[09:34]	oiaohm	Keyboard mouse and usb sticks.
[09:34]	vZS1	For now though, just transferring to your machine that already gets backed up is a good idea
[09:35]	vZS1	The setup I did for you is completely self-contained so you can just lift it and get back up again easily
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[09:37]	vZS1	Configuration so far is POSIX-compliant
[09:38]	vZS1	So you can apply the manual I wrote for you in any of the BSDs as well.
[09:38]	oiaohm	There are nas hats for the pi that take them out to bigger powersupplies or using powered USB switches again so you don't run short.
[09:38]	vZS1	I think that's important. We shouldn't have a hard dependency on any one OS
[09:39]	oiaohm	One of the most wrong things I have seen a person do to a poor PI is attempt to run a RGB keyboard that draws 2amps off it.
[09:39]	oiaohm	Of course the pi did not run.
[09:39]	vZS1	For future-proofing reasons, primarily.
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[10:04]	vZS1	schestowitz: can't see URI for IPFS index in the bulletin version. Post with the pigeons. Don't know if lack of URI is intentional or accidental.
[10:05]	vZS1	Bulletin from 2020-11-08
[10:19]	schestowitz	wait
[10:19]	schestowitz	you mean you want that page URL added at the top?
[10:19]	schestowitz	alongside with bulletins index URL?
[10:31]	vZS1	Not the top
[10:31]	vZS1	There's mention of a URI without the URI
[10:31]	vZS1	Adjacent to it
[10:31]	vZS1	So how would someone find the URI mentioned?
[10:32]	schestowitz	I don't quite follow
[10:32]	schestowitz	you want CIDs inside the articles?
[10:33]	vZS1	Give me a second to explain
[10:36]	vZS1	So there's a string that says "A full index_of_all_CIDs_is_being_maintained_here". But there's no URI that lets the reader know where "here" is.
[10:36]	vZS1	I don't know if it's intentional that you haven't put a URI adjacent to that string or not.
[10:37]	schestowitz	it's intentional in the sense that I wrote this for HTML
[10:37]	schestowitz	not for plain text
[10:38]	schestowitz	we could in principle make that bulletin have citations with [1] numbers .... ___ [1] URL
[10:38]	schestowitz	I tried that initially but python2/3 incompatibility caused issues
[10:38]	schestowitz	having said that
[10:38]	schestowitz	for full links
[10:39]	vZS1	No worries. Just highlighting the situation.
[10:39]	schestowitz	the URLs of all the articles are at top of each bulletin
[10:39]	schestowitz	in the order of appearance, too
[10:39]	vZS1	I didn't notice that
[10:39]	vZS1	Let me check.
[10:39]	schestowitz	I dont' want to write html as though the main target audience is blind (no images) and cannot press links
[10:42]	vZS1	I see instructions right at the top of the document but might be worth putting a TODO to generate plaintext versions with URIs next to where hyperlinks should be.
[10:43]	vZS1	I don't think any citation system is necessary. Just putting a URI in quotes next to the text that mentions said URI would be enough.
[10:43]	schestowitz	but which ones?
[10:43]	schestowitz	cids?
[10:43]	schestowitz	or http?
[10:43]	schestowitz	see, you need to know who's reading those and how
[10:44]	schestowitz	[10:43] <vZS1> I don't think any citation system is necessary. Just putting a URI in quotes next to the text that mentions said URI would be enough.
[10:44]	schestowitz	might be antithetical to our goal is leaving the www
[10:44]	schestowitz	as it encourages people to open a web browser
[10:45]	schestowitz	here's one option
[10:45]	schestowitz	for internal links, get date
[10:45]	schestowitz	it's part of the URL
[10:45]	schestowitz	e.g. President-elect #Biden is Already Being Shifted... to the Right http://techrights.org/2020/11/10/biden-shifted-to-the-right/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW
[10:45]	schestowitz	  2020/11/10/
[10:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President-elect Biden is Already Being Shifted to the Right | Techrights
[10:45]	schestowitz	we can then fetch the bulletin for that day
[10:45]	schestowitz	or write the expected filename
[10:45]	schestowitz	as they're consistently named
[10:46]	schestowitz	than link to that date's URL or CID
[10:46]	schestowitz	thoughts?
[10:47]	vZS1	All I'm saying is that if you mention any content that lives somewhere on the internet, the address should be adjacent to it so a reader can just copy it and look it up. This is regardless of whether they look it up on web, IPFS, etc.
[10:47]	vZS1	Right now a reader has to view more than just the plaintext version to get all the mentioned content.
[10:48]	vZS1	i.e., the bulletin isn't entirely self-contained. So people have to go on a web browser anyway, to get all the content.
[10:49]	schestowitz	https://twitter.com/realneil3/status/1326113119962161152
[10:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@realneil3: Microsoft partners blame Linux for security vulnerabilities that arise from Microsoft backdoors https://t.co/B6t9hk2GfD
[10:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2020/11/10/security-lies/ )
[10:50]	schestowitz	vZS1: they would need a browser regardless to open links
[10:50]	vZS1	This isn't about opening links. It's more about knowing what the link is in the first place.
[10:51]	vZS1	I hope that makes what I'm trying to say clearer
[10:56]	schestowitz	it does
[10:56]	schestowitz	this was  similar to what was originally intended BTW
[10:57]	schestowitz	but technical issues with python versions crept in
[10:57]	schestowitz	I used something from pypi instead
[10:57]	schestowitz	it uses underlines to signify links
[10:57]	schestowitz	without showing full URLs
[10:57]	schestowitz	showing full URLs would be problematic regardless because of Daily Links
[10:58]	vZS1	That's alright. These things happen. I just wanted to bring it up.
[10:58]	schestowitz	unless we use footnotes with urls for each pertinent article
[10:58]	schestowitz	like I said, want link? Open URL at the index above
[10:58]	schestowitz	that's what I made the index for and added text to clarify for each new errand reader
[10:58]	schestowitz	the links do exist, for attribution to source
[10:59]	schestowitz	but the links are all omitted, except at the top index, from all those pure text bulletins
[10:59]	schestowitz	it would not be text if it compels you to "click for more"
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[11:00]	vZS1	I guess this setup you have now saves on clutter as well
[11:00]	schestowitz	that too
[11:00]	schestowitz	I read almost all my news i kate
[11:01]	schestowitz	it's clean
[11:01]	schestowitz	I look at text
[11:01]	vZS1	As you get the TR links are all in the INDEX
[11:01]	schestowitz	no images and hyperlinks
[11:01]	schestowitz	I used to think/want features in text files
[11:01]	schestowitz	that are absent
[11:01]	schestowitz	from todo.txt
[11:01]	schestowitz	and these bulletins
[11:02]	schestowitz	like directives
[11:02]	schestowitz	e.g. click item in index to scroll down
[11:02]	schestowitz	text files don't do that
[11:02]	schestowitz	unless there's some implicit support from the text editor
[11:02]	schestowitz	like understanding what an index is and then some text that explicitly says, "go to line XYZ"
[11:02]	vZS1	I think it's best we just stick to dumb plaintext
[11:03]	schestowitz	the URL can be enough to pull from Internet Archive
[11:03]	vZS1	It's like reading a newspaper
[11:03]	schestowitz	dude/reader: where's the PROOF?
[11:03]	vZS1	You just do the looking up manually
[11:03]	schestowitz	Dude: No link!
[11:03]	schestowitz	me: open the goddamn page
[11:03]	vZS1	lol
[11:04]	vZS1	Going to get back to work now. Catch you later.
[11:04]	schestowitz	In Daily Links, since last month, many headlines come with publication's name next to them
[11:05]	schestowitz	e.g. "How to blah on Linux distro -- The Linux Herald Tribune Inc."
[11:06]	schestowitz	(hence attribution by name rather than url, like in scholarly publications)
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[12:31]	MinceR	10 062915 < DaemonFC[m]> Or carelessly walked out a window for reasons unknown.
[12:32]	MinceR	putler reads too much BOFH
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[13:03]		*Now talking on #techrights
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[13:17]	schestowitz	vZS1: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/eu-continues-to-push-for-lawful-access-aka-backdoors-to-end-to-end-encrypted-data/
[13:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | EU continues to push for lawful access (aka backdoors) to end-to-end encrypted data
[13:22]	schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19408072
[13:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: By adding/strapping on and piling up more and more crap -- even #drm these days (!!) -- into Web browsers companies try to just make it an operating system sans hardware drivers. This is all wrong. This is NOT a reader/renderer for Web pages. It's a Trojan horse, controlled remotely.
[13:23]	vZS1	The thing is, HTML, HTTP, these were all just meant to make sharing content easier. A web browser should just provide a pretty interface to data that a user wants.
[13:24]	vZS1	All this DRM nonsense only hurts publishers. That's why their stuff gets ripped and torrented.
[13:24]	vZS1	If you use DRM, you are treating all your customers like criminals
[13:26]	vZS1	Treating customers with respect and not assuming they're criminals helps. If you price reasonably, people will be much less likely to steal your property.
[13:27]	vZS1	And copyright/IP violators can be taken to court, if possible.
[13:28]	vZS1	We all know DRM doesn't work.
[13:28]	vZS1	In the technical sense
[13:29]	vZS1	Don't treat your customers like criminals. That's what I say.
[13:29]	vZS1	Maybe they'll buy more of your stuff. Who knows
[13:30]	MinceR	DRM also harms ordinary paying customers
[13:30]	MinceR	they're the ones who will end up with the DRM-encrusted versions
[13:31]	MinceR	it also harms those who would produce player devices or software compatible with a DRM-encrusted format
[13:34]	schestowitz	true
[13:34]	schestowitz	I never dealt with DRM
[13:34]	schestowitz	(afaik)
[13:44]	oiaohm	https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-digital-rights-management-drm-market-was-valued-at-usd-2-948-7-million-in-2019--and-is-expected-to-reach-usd-6-033-7-million-by-2025--registering-a-cagr-of-12-65-during-the-forecast-period-2020-2025--301058448.html
[13:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | The Digital Rights Management (DRM) market was valued at USD 2,948.7 million in 2019, and is expected to reach USD 6,033.7 million by 2025, registering a CAGR of 12.65%, during the forecast period 2020-2025
[13:44]	oiaohm	Be it we like it or not those selling DRM restricted content are seeing increasing purchases.
[13:44]	schestowitz	https://blog.torproject.org/friends-of-tor-match-2020
[13:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | Use a Mask, Use Tor: Friends of Tor Matching Donations up to $100,000 | Tor Blog
[13:45]	oiaohm	I really was wishing consumers would not be buying in.
[13:47]	schestowitz	con-soo-mass
[13:48]	scientes	it is WET and COLD outside
[13:48]	scientes	miserable
[13:50]	vZS1	DRM is possibly one of the worst things to invest in.
[13:51]	vZS1	But let them burn their money
[13:51]	scientes	vZS1, if they are cold it might be a better idea to burn the money
[13:52]	vZS1	MinceR: yep. It just hurts everyone. But good luck convincing some people. Penny wise, pound foolish.
[13:53]	vZS1	The only people that are getting rich off DRM are DRM "solution" providers.
[13:53]	vZS1	The snake oil salesmen of our time
[13:54]	scientes	i'd rather have the snake oil
[13:54]	scientes	at least it burns
[13:54]	MinceR	well, in a way, DRM-free sellers are also getting rich off DRM :>
[13:54]	scientes	^^^^
[13:54]	MinceR	by having DRM redirect business to them
[13:54]	vZS1	True true
[13:55]	vZS1	DRM-free is a great label to have on your product.
[13:55]	MinceR	https://files.catbox.moe/e1p8ck.jpeg
[13:57]	scientes	https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/business-commerce-added_sugar-nutritional_advice-sugary_food-nutritional_info-healthy_food-cwln6071_low.jpg
[13:57]	scientes	geeze, lots of SEO in that url
[13:58]	MinceR	:)
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[14:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-via.hypothes.is | Google Translate
[14:50]	smnthermes	"Biden's racist past"
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[14:58]	schestowitz	smnthermes: I knew there was something...
[14:58]	schestowitz	he's more like republican
[14:58]	schestowitz	but they attached him to obama
[14:58]	schestowitz	to hide that
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[15:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Making green beans in the slow cooker.
[15:12]	DaemonFC[m]	These oddly cut pieces of bacon are a lot less expensive, but they're greasier than Donald Trump.
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[15:29]	schestowitz	"A modest proposal: Rather than further soiling his legacy by persisting in pursuing baseless claims and lawsuits and continuing to demonstate a terrifying degree of mental instability, Trump should" resign https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/11/09/a-modest-proposal-resign-now/
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[16:07]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz I got a phone call from a contact tracer who was following up about the library.
[16:08]	DaemonFC[m]	I told them they are ruining our economy and that they can go hell and I mean that in the nicest possible sense, and if I wasn't restraining myself I'd have more to say about what they could do while they were at it.
[16:09]	DaemonFC[m]	* go to hell
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[16:24]	DaemonFC[m]	If these lockdowns don't end soon the Democrats will take more losses and missed opportunities.
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[16:25]	DaemonFC[m]	The Progressive platform isn't losing them winnable elections, it's constituents who don't like the lockdowns and frankly Biden would have done better. He eeked out a win because Trump is so despised.
[16:25]	DaemonFC[m]	Imagine what a stronger Democratic Party candidate would have done.
[16:26]	DaemonFC[m]	The Primary was a popularity contest but what happened with Biden was the result of Republicans crossing over either because he was more conservative or because they figured they would saddle us with the weakest candidate.
[16:27]	DaemonFC[m]	I think the states should start clamping down a bit on the primaries and make you start registering with a party.
[16:27]	DaemonFC[m]	It wouldn't stop the nonsense because in the states that do it, people can just switch parties, but fewer would bother.
[16:27]	MinceR	but how will the "democrats" cheat at their own primaries then?
[16:28]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR It's public record in Indiana and Illinois which primary you voted in.
[16:29]	DaemonFC[m]	So I have years where I'm a Democrat or a Republican anyway and then I'm on every mailing list.
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[16:29]	DaemonFC[m]	The way they look at it is if you're wobbling back and forth you're an independent voter. Might as well try to persuade you.
[16:30]	DaemonFC[m]	But there's nothing you can do to persuade me unless you start by denouncing Trump and go from there.
[16:30]	DaemonFC[m]	And nobody did.
[16:30]	DaemonFC[m]	So the Republicans wasted their money.
[16:30]	MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/lrakV3w.jpg
[16:30]	MinceR	they wasted a lot more of your money :>
[16:30]	DaemonFC[m]	True.
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[16:33]	scientes	do you ever wonder if you have your ass up your foot?
[16:35]	schestowitz	[16:07] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz I got a phone call from a contact tracer who was following up about the library.
[16:35]	XRevan86	MinceR: :D
[16:35]	schestowitz	on what basis?
[16:35]	schestowitz	also, how did they get your contact details?
[16:41]	MinceR	https://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2015/03/20/happy-spring-from-mad
[16:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Happy Spring from MAD! | Mad Magazine
[16:43]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: my opinion of you has improved
[16:44]	CrystalMath	i just wish you realized just how great Assange is
[16:44]	CrystalMath	it's not that he's flawless...
[16:44]	CrystalMath	i remember how he misgendered CHelsea Manning
[16:45]	CrystalMath	but still, wikileaks did a lot of good for the world
[16:45]	CrystalMath	exposing the people that want to destroy privacy
[16:49]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz I left it for the library CEO while I was reading him the riot act about how stupid contact tracing is.
[16:49]	DaemonFC[m]	I told him I would refuse to use the library again until they stopped and then I went into a tirade about Overdrive.
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[16:50]	DaemonFC[m]	I support the restaurants who are defying the health department. The news didn't name which ones but if I knew I'd go eat at one of them. Fuck he health department.
[16:51]	schestowitz	you can sometimes leave just landline number
[16:51]	DaemonFC[m]	I'm a fairly progressive Democrat if we're calling things here but contact tracing and lockdowns are insane. They're nuts.
[16:51]	schestowitz	in the US COVID is already out of control
[16:52]	DaemonFC[m]	We're getting fatter, which is a risk factor for COVID.
[16:52]	schestowitz	contact tracing doesn't scale
[16:52]	DaemonFC[m]	People lose their jobs and commit suicide.
[16:52]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/11/01/11-million-people-after-patient-zero/
[16:52]	DaemonFC[m]	And it's opening the door for more generalized spying on the public.
[16:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Contact-Tracing Ploy (Mission Creep/Mass Surveillance) is Only Effective When Dealing With Patient Zero and Few Others, Not Millions | Techrights
[16:52]	DaemonFC[m]	It's the greatest gift to government spooks since terrorism.
[16:54]	DaemonFC[m]	The Health Department is basically the Democratic Machine's tool to level small business owners, which are mostly Republicans.
[16:55]	DaemonFC[m]	Selectively. It's part of the vendetta. They'll send the cops out to shut down the ones they don't want until they file bankruptcy.
[16:56]	DaemonFC[m]	The Democrats really have nothing to lose here. The giant corporations either do better under lockdown or at least have a war chest to survive and then they do better when they have no independent businesses to deal with.
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[16:58]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Did you see the news about the "secret list"?
[16:58]	DaemonFC[m]	The Illinois state government accidentally turned over a classified report about thousands of outbreaks it had been tracking which was marked "Confidential - DO NOT SHARE"
[16:59]	DaemonFC[m]	The state is well aware of many outbreaks and it's very embarrassing because it pretty much totally undermines their "shut down the restaurants" bullshit.
[16:59]	DaemonFC[m]	It shows that most of them are happening at parties and churches, not restaurants and stores.
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[17:03]	schestowitz	people eat at home
[17:03]	schestowitz	many bring guests
[17:03]	superkuh	That's because people that go to churches and parties are the type of be ignorant assholes.
[17:03]	schestowitz	and they don't clean the tables too well
[17:03]	superkuh	At least during a pandemic.
[17:03]	superkuh	s/of be/to be/
[17:03]	schestowitz	god will take care of the rest
[17:04]	schestowitz	do your best, lucifer will do the rest
[17:07]	DaemonFC[m]	I referred to the health department as the "Health Department Brownshirts" in my review of the library.
[17:07]	DaemonFC[m]	That's what they're doing. They're going in and busting up people's businesses and ruining their lives because that's what The Party wants.
[17:08]	DaemonFC[m]	This is utter crap. We need a new viable political party. It has happened before.
[17:08]	superkuh	... because there's a pandemic going on.
[17:08]	superkuh	Did you forget?
[17:09]	DaemonFC[m]	Who the fuck even cares at this point?
[17:09]	superkuh	Right. I guess we can't communicate then.
[17:09]	DaemonFC[m]	I mean, we've totally lost control of it anyway.
[17:09]	DaemonFC[m]	At this point it's basically about damage control. What can you REASONABLY do to contain damage?
[17:10]	DaemonFC[m]	And a lockdown after you lose control is like trying to shut down a nuclear reactor that's already melted down by continuing to push buttons.
[17:11]	DaemonFC[m]	I mean it really sucks, I get it.
[17:11]	DaemonFC[m]	But at this point it's masks and hand sanitizer and hope to hell that someone puts out a vaccine that really works.
[17:12]	DaemonFC[m]	The only reason we're even trying to slow this down is to buy time for some people to get a vaccine and to not overload hospital wards with patient numbers that they can't possibly treat.
[17:12]	superkuh	The best protection is not going places.
[17:12]	superkuh	I guess some people can't handle that responsibility.
[17:12]	DaemonFC[m]	But I'm an evidence-based person.
[17:12]	DaemonFC[m]	There's no evidence that what Illinois is doing is working any better, adjusted for population, than Indiana.
[17:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Or Iowa. Or Florida.
[17:13]	superkuh	Yes. Because people like yourself have given up behaving properly and ignorant assholes never did.
[17:13]	superkuh	All across the USA.
[17:15]	superkuh	"If they're not gonna do it, why should I?" And you're right. If people don't behave like sane adults what you do won't really help. But it is still best to be the change you want to see in the world.
[17:16]	superkuh	Same reason I still build websites without javascript. It won't help, but it's what's right.
[17:17]	DaemonFC[m]	I still use masks and hand sanitizer, but I do not agree with the lockdowns.
[17:17]	superkuh	I am unsure about lockdowns. But personally I have been behaving as if there is a lockdown since early Feb.
[17:17]	DaemonFC[m]	People shift behavior, and they poke holes in the system by suing to reopen the churches, and they throw house parties with dozens of people doing drugs and shit.
[17:17]	DaemonFC[m]	So the lockdowns don't do shit.
[17:18]	superkuh	But you can still do the right then.
[17:18]	superkuh	s/then/thing/
[17:18]	DaemonFC[m]	You could totally remove the lockdowns and there'd be some increase but it wouldn't be what you'd think because people are still partying and going to church and inviting people they don't live over to have dinner and stuff.
[17:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Totally subverting the lockdown, but the businesses won't come back.
[17:19]	DaemonFC[m]	I think we have to take a balanced approach here.
[17:19]	superkuh	Can't control what other people do or what government does. I can only control what I do.
[17:19]	DaemonFC[m]	Balanced towards sensible precautions, but not these lockdowns. These lockdowns are doing permanent damage to the economy, to people's jobs that don't come back.
[17:20]	DaemonFC[m]	Maybe getting a virus that kind of sucks vs. definitely not paying the mortgage and grocery bill. Hmm.
[17:20]	superkuh	And I'm definitely not going to be buying from any restaurant.
[17:20]	superkuh	I personally think that people ordering delivery food are also being irresponsible.
[17:20]	DaemonFC[m]	I've changed my opinion on the lockdowns after seeing lack of good results.
[17:21]	superkuh	It's hard to get people to give up primary rewards like food and sex though.
[17:21]	DaemonFC[m]	It's bang for your buck sort of thing.
[17:21]	DaemonFC[m]	If you take severe economic damage, it might be worth it to slow the spread 90%, but not if you can only slow it down 10 or 15%.
[17:22]	superkuh	My local city's actions, 2 week shut-downs of businesses/schools, etc has a dramatic and immediate effect on case rate.
[17:22]	superkuh	Then after the 2 weeks it pops back up. :|
[17:28]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/16/5fb708735f6e376a.mp4
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[17:44]	XRevan86	https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ask#English "from Old English scian (ask)"
[17:44]	XRevan86	https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aks#English "from Old English axian (ask)"
[17:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | ask - Wiktionary
[17:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | aks - Wiktionary
[17:49]	MinceR	https://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/2593.html
[17:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geekculture.com | The Joy of Tech comic... Zuckerberg's new Privacy bit!
[17:54]	scientes	XRevan86, did you see the press release by Putin of the peace deal?
[17:54]	scientes	its #10 on YouTube here  in Georgia
[17:54]	XRevan86	scientes: Nay, I can pretty much guess what he says anyway.
[17:55]	scientes	there will be Russia troops deployed to the region to enforce it
[17:55]	XRevan86	Which makes no sense.
[17:56]	XRevan86	Armenia capitulated, Russia was on the Armenia's side implicitly.
[17:57]	XRevan86	Whom will the troops pacify? Azerbaijan who got what they wanted?
[17:58]	scientes	which side will the Russia troops get to have sex with? :)
[17:58]	XRevan86	I can only see this as a political stunt "look at me, I'm a peacekeeper, peace is happening on my watch"
[17:59]	scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw
[17:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Village People - In the Navy OFFICIAL Music Video 1978 - YouTube
[17:59]	XRevan86	Which is not what Putin's tried to archieve judging from the past actions. Just saving face, eh.
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[18:00]	scientes	you are talking about other conflicts?
[18:00]	XRevan86	scientes: Well, I was talking specifically about this conflict, but more broadly also yes
[18:01]	scientes	they are letting China make all the moves in South America, and then just rubber-stamping them
[18:01]	scientes	from what I could tell
[18:02]	XRevan86	Here it looks like Putin just lost to Erdogan.
[18:02]	XRevan86	in a proxy war
[18:02]	scientes	everywhere I have visited China has a very clear aim and PR push that they will inherit the empire
[18:03]	scientes	XRevan86, yeah that seem reasonable
[18:03]	scientes	a higher trending video is a militaristic woman singing "Turkey+Azerbaijan"
[18:04]	scientes	and Azerbaijan repeatedly lied, and also hacked web sites and other shit
[18:07]	scientes	in this video there was a little rememberance of Turkey's ethnic clensing of Kurds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrG0PsUiQQo
[18:07]	vZS1	superkuh: first time seeing sed scripts used for correcting IRC typos
[18:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I Traveled Back in Time... (Surprise Trip!) - YouTube
[18:07]	XRevan86	scientes: It is what it is, I guess.
[18:08]	superkuh	I prefer to think in perl compatible regular expressions.
[18:08]	scientes	XRevan86, that is what I liked about that video I just shared, he has the same attitude "it is what it is"
[18:11]	XRevan86	scientes: I don't know what other attitude to have in a conflict where the only driving force is ambition.
[18:11]	scientes	yeah!
[18:12]	scientes	That kinda summarizes my problem with somewhat distant exposure to muslim cultures. It's the vanity.
[18:13]	vZS1	 PCRE
[18:13]	MinceR	seems to be typical of abrahamics in general
[18:13]	vZS1	Black magic
[18:13]	MinceR	"chosen people" and all that bullshit
[18:13]	MinceR	probably monotheism in general
[18:13]	MinceR	"only god", "only truth"
[18:13]	scientes	nah
[18:14]	XRevan86	scientes: Russia is mostly not Muslim, how would you describe it?
[18:14]	XRevan86	"repeatedly lied, and also hacked web sites and other shit"
[18:15]	scientes	well I just saw the claim they took shushan, and I just thought "I can't trust anything anymore"
[18:15]	scientes	but aparently they actually took it
[18:15]	scientes	but you summarized it better: ambition
[18:15]	XRevan86	They have, yes.
[18:16]	scientes	you definitely see that ambition in Tolstoy's War and Peace
[18:16]	vZS1	superkuh: used Raku?
[18:16]	XRevan86	scientes: You can see it everywhere.
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[18:17]	superkuh	vZS1, no. Never got into that. I'm still on 5.10 on this machine.
[18:17]	superkuh	Glad we can finally ignore Raku as something other than Perl.
[18:18]	scientes	XRevan86, cajones
[18:18]	vZS1	I've always seen it as another language. I feel like the people confused about the name never actually bothered to use it.
[18:18]	XRevan86	superkuh: I'd say it's nicer than Perl5.
[18:19]	vZS1	Depends on your definition of nicer
[18:19]	vZS1	It's different
[18:19]	XRevan86	And also horrible in a very Perl way, which is probably a plus for you :)
[18:20]	scientes	XRevan86, I think the bigger issue to me is how convenient it is to ignore important things for the sake of expedience
[18:20]	scientes	and just pretend bad news doesn't exist
[18:20]	vZS1	I like it
[18:20]	superkuh	What is important for me is that my huge library of perl scripts not stop working or require changes.
[18:20]	scientes	like those blinders in The Handmaid Tale
[18:21]	scientes	I don't say this dismally either
[18:21]	vZS1	Just freeze time in a VM
[18:21]	vZS1	Problem solved
[18:21]	XRevan86	superkuh: Perl7 might happen, but you can make some reasonable changes now and be safe whatever happens. If you haven't already.
[18:22]	XRevan86	scientes: It's impossible to see the whole picture, so everyone is ignorant in their own way.
[18:23]	scientes	but I am talking about denial because to accept would require changing one's identity
[18:23]	XRevan86	scientes: Right.
[18:23]	scientes	I guess ambition is essential for getting anything done
[18:24]	scientes	so this is just the logical resolution of that
[18:26]	XRevan86	scientes: But it's also hard to justify something when the only thing behind it is "I want this".
[18:26]	scientes	but people do it all the time!
[18:26]	XRevan86	"why did you kill this person?" "I want his land." "ah, makes sense, good day to you, sir"
[18:26]	scientes	supposedly there were spontaneous demonstrations in support of the azerbaijani war
[18:26]	scientes	yet very few people actually signed up for the military
[18:27]	scientes	XRevan86, but is that not better than the inevitable lies?
[18:27]	XRevan86	scientes: They do, but international politics are more complicated now, so getting away with just messing with the neighbours is much harder now.
[18:28]	XRevan86	scientes: I don't think there will be any consequences to any aggression here.
[18:28]	XRevan86	So it is what it is.
[18:28]	scientes	"international politics are more complicated now"---I don't think so
[18:29]	XRevan86	Technically Azerbaijan reclaimed their own territory, but also, they started a war just because, and that should have consequences.
[18:30]	XRevan86	And Turkey for giving the necessary support to start this war.
[18:32]	scientes	the Turkey thing is very disturbing
[18:32]	XRevan86	Turkey is part of NATO, but somehow I don't think NATO will pressure them even a little bit.
[18:33]	scientes	NATO hardly exists right now, like the EU
[18:33]	scientes	the shenghen agreement got shredded
[18:33]	scientes	uggh shenzhen != schengen
[18:34]	XRevan86	scientes: With Trump escorted out that might change.
[18:34]	scientes	doesn't change the shredding of the schengen zone
[18:34]	XRevan86	I mean the NATO bit.
[18:34]	scientes	and all the nationalization that happened in Europe
[18:34]	scientes	if there was a war I don't think anyone would show up
[18:35]	scientes	these countries are not really capable ofit
[18:35]	scientes	Germany isn't even capable of building an airport
[18:35]	scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWYTnc7m9mE
[18:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Berlin's 'new' BER Airport: A story of incompetence and corruption | DW News - YouTube
[18:35]	XRevan86	scientes: I heard of it.
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[18:48]	DaemonFC[m]	Okay, I have internet again.
[18:48]	DaemonFC[m]	Catching up with OS updates.
[18:49]	scientes	https://youtu.be/me4FqdrmVBs?t=788 I am watching this video and I can't but notice that they did not follow the #1 rule of guns "always assume it is loaded".
[18:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Ultra Orthodox vs. The IDF: Israel's Other Religious War - YouTube
[18:51]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2020-49/
[18:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mozilla.org | Security Vulnerabilities fixed in Firefox 82.0.3, Firefox ESR 78.4.1, and Thunderbird 78.4.2 Mozilla
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[18:51]	XRevan86	scientes: Religious nutjobs making a mess, what's new?
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[18:53]	scientes	I am just thinking "that interviewer is an idiot"
[18:53]	XRevan86	conscription also sucks
[18:53]	scientes	dude, that gun is pointed right at you!
[18:53]	XRevan86	It's the government "okay, stop your life, now you're going to a colony, just because"
[18:54]	scientes	XRevan86, it is a big reason why the Jehovah Witnesses get a tough time in Russia
[18:54]	scientes	well, to be fair, the JW are OK with mandatory civil service, which has the "stop your life" part
[18:55]	scientes	the UAE launched a MARS probe
[18:55]	XRevan86	https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-mandatory-military-service a map
[18:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-worldpopulationreview.com | Countries With Mandatory Military Service 2020
[18:55]	scientes	that is alot cooler than their silly real estate prrojects
[18:56]	scientes	https://u.ae/en/about-the-uae/strategies-initiatives-and-awards/federal-governments-strategies-and-plans/national-space-programme
[18:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-u.ae | National Space Programme - The Official Portal of the UAE Government
[18:57]	scientes	nice domain name
[18:57]	XRevan86	(another misuse of the Mercator projection map)
[18:57]	scientes	XRevan86, you should start a "Russians for use of Mercator projection" group
[18:58]	XRevan86	scientes: "Russia is 1/4'th of the world!"
[18:58]	scientes	https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/07/uae-mars-mission-hope-aims-inspire-new-generation-space-scientists/
[18:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nationalgeographic.com | First UAE Mars mission aims to inspire a new generation of space scientists
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[18:59]	XRevan86	scientes: And get an alliance with the "Greenlandians for use of Mercator projection" group
● Nov 10
[19:00]	scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi_yuxxEkwA
[19:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Geography GO! GREENLAND! (Geography now) - YouTube
[19:00]	scientes	^^pretty awesome coverage of Greenland
[19:01]	scientes	This UAE launch is pretty awesome
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[19:07]	DaemonFC[m]	The idea of French imperialism is rather funny.
[19:07]	XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: Hm?
[19:08]	DaemonFC[m]	Out of all of the countries to engage in Colonialism.
[19:08]	XRevan86	Why not?
[19:08]	DaemonFC[m]	The French doing it is rather hard to take seriously.
[19:08]	XRevan86	They got lots of colonies in Africa.
[19:08]	scientes	and in this animation again they show the escape orbit as "going up"
[19:08]	scientes	ugggh, why do they perpetuate this
[19:08]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, but who doesn't?
[19:09]	scientes	"there is no GPS in deep space"
[19:09]	scientes	oh geeze
[19:09]	DaemonFC[m]	Even outside of Africa, majority black areas are administered like a colony.
[19:09]	scientes	also, it probably gets a boost from the moon, and they don't say anything about propulsion
[19:10]	DaemonFC[m]	Consider south Chicago.
[19:10]	XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: Why is it funny though?
[19:10]	scientes	"when it gets close to mars it will have to use its thrusters as breaks"---this is just completely wrong
[19:10]	XRevan86	France wanted a slice of that colonial pie, they got it.
[19:10]	DaemonFC[m]	You've got black neighborhoods in Chicago that have been that way for 100 years or more and white people can't just be happy with what they've got.
[19:11]	XRevan86	And then they lost it pretty much when everyone else has.
[19:11]	scientes	hmm, I am only getting one side of this conversation
[19:11]	XRevan86	scientes: You ignore DaemonFC.
[19:12]	XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: That's not really colonial, it's ghetto-like.
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[19:16]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, Colonial and Ghetto you know, like the Palestinian areas in Israel, kind of.
[19:16]	DaemonFC[m]	With the Jewish settlements going in all the time.
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[19:18]	scientes	I find it annoying that space agencies are all about press, and the only place you get some real equations is xkcd
[19:18]	scientes	especially how they contribute to the confusion
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[19:25]	scientes	I guess the avoid the equations that point out what a PITA rocket science is
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[19:27]	scientes	The peacekeeping contingent will remain for a period of five years, with automatic extensions for five year periods if neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan declares six months before the expiration of the period of intention to terminate the application of this provision.
[19:27]	scientes	geeze
[19:27]	scientes	5 years
[19:31]	scientes	Georgian-Abkhazian movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMDIx71D0tc
[19:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- () - - YouTube
[19:33]	scientes	uggh, I need to keep practicing my Russian
[19:56]	CrystalMath	i hope this is fake news: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/11/10/european-union-moves-to-ban-encrypted-messaging-apps-like-whatsapp/
[19:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.breitbart.com | European Union Moves to Ban Encrypted Messaging Apps Like WhatsApp
● Nov 10
[20:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Comcast gave me free tv streaming of some sort.
[20:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Watching one of those History Channel things about swords.
[20:14]	DaemonFC[m]	This is not how you would swing a sword in a swordfight.
[20:14]	DaemonFC[m]	That would be putting more strength into it, but you'd be too slow.
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[20:20]	schestowitz	brietbart thinks  whatsapp is "encryption"
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[20:20]	schestowitz	well, between you and facebook
[20:20]	schestowitz	the state just goes to facebook for access to the comms
[20:24]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Things We Love About the New Galago Pro http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144229#comment-27104 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fd3d702a-b238-4e0b-8da8-0080dbcbafaf]
[20:25]	MinceR	breitbart are idiots, film at 11
[20:29]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: System76 bring back the Galago Pro with Intel Xe and NVIDIA GPU options http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144229 [https://pleroma.site/objects/74c3dddb-1aad-4aaa-bdbf-b15049dd2562]
[20:30]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144230 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eb10d5c8-8f06-499c-b911-873ef0e3ab50]
[20:32]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: exFAT File-System Performance On Linux 5.9 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144231 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1128abe8-b81d-41e0-bc5c-3076fc96ad04]
[20:34]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Eleven Years of Go http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144232 [https://pleroma.site/objects/65263947-fbb5-497b-a092-fdc1bfbc1db8]
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[20:37]	schestowitz	and idiots who read breitbart uses Facebook and WhatsApp
[20:37]	schestowitz	think it's secure
[20:37]	schestowitz	and then get arrested for domestic terrorism or whatnot
[20:38]	schestowitz	Apparently FB is very friendly towards such sites
[20:38]	schestowitz	whereas Zucky signed off orders to throttle and ban left-leaning sites, this was in the news earlier this week...
[20:38]	schestowitz	it helps get people "engaged" when there are P-C toxic people in there
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[21:02]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Foundation Outsources Events and LF Live to Proprietary Software With Back Doors and Surveillance (Zoom) http://techrights.org/2020/11/10/linux-foundation-zoom/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/6b26e10b-1cf6-40d6-ba5b-0cc041b750f5]
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[21:05]	schestowitz	vZS1: LF = zoom
[21:05]	schestowitz	vZS1:  any further ipfs suggestions for the daily digests would help
[21:05]	schestowitz	as 1) I don't know how the dweb/ipfs community "digests" news
[21:05]	schestowitz	2) there may still be bugs that I'm unable to spot/understand
[21:07]	vZS1	Will need to think about it.
[21:07]	vZS1	We just consume indexes. That's about it
[21:09]	vZS1	Don't think about it too much. You got the basic workflow going. That's good enough for now.
[21:10]	vZS1	I'll get some Git-related automation going, when I get the time.
[21:10]	vZS1	Will ping you when it's ready
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[21:15]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2020/11/09/health-information-of-thousands-of-people-in-lake-county-accidentally-released/
[21:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lakemchenryscanner.com | Health information of thousands of people in Lake County accidentally released
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[21:36]	vZS1	Every time I see LF, I just want to barf
[21:48]	schestowitz	From EPO union:
[21:48]	schestowitz	"
[21:48]	schestowitz	We used to have, as all other international organisations, a salary adjustment procedure.
[21:48]	schestowitz	The President is taking advantage of the Coronavirus crisis for rushing through an ill-conceived and detrimental salary adjustment procedure, which does not deserve that name. It is rather a salary erosion procedure.
[21:48]	schestowitz	Your staff representatives have made a lot of efforts and have proposed compromise solutions (4 detailed and written proposals). All to no avail. All have been disregarded and discredited. Management is only pursuing a brutal solution with the help of costly consultants who have no clue about the salary environment in International Organisations.
[21:48]	schestowitz	We are still open to discuss a reasonable compromise. But we refuse to be used as fig leaves if the President wants a to introduce a salary erosion procedure which is there only to cut your purchasing power as a result of a social monologue.
[21:48]	schestowitz	Read more here.
[21:48]	schestowitz
[21:48]	schestowitz	Your SUEPO Central Committee
[21:48]	schestowitz	"
[21:48]	vZS1	Christ
[21:57]	vZS1	Re: zoom. Most people can host any number of conference software  quite easily on their personal computer.
[21:58]	vZS1	Mumble is a great alternative if VoIP is all you're after.
[21:59]	schestowitz	yes, mumble is great
[21:59]	schestowitz	and has private key for e2e enc
● Nov 10
[22:00]	vZS1	It's quite slick as well. Runs without consuming too much juice
[22:02]	vZS1	People don't even need to set up DNS to get this stuff working
[22:05]	vZS1	Tbh, I'm not a fan of doing anything work related in a non-text format.
[22:05]	vZS1	People just faff on about irrelevant nonsense
[22:06]	vZS1	VoIP is great for social stuff like gaming and parties and whatnot
[22:07]	vZS1	But for getting real work done, nothing beats a good old-fashioned thread.
[22:07]	oiaohm	Zoom has a long list of security problems.
[22:09]	vZS1	And you don't need to worry about things like minutes of a meeting if it's done via a forum or something similar
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[22:32]	vZS1	https://youtu.be/aZyaIQa00eU
[22:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Making Butter By Hand (no, really) - YouTube
[22:32]	schestowitz	vZS1: quick question
[22:33]	schestowitz	Bandwidth
[22:33]	schestowitz	TotalIn: 5.2 GB
[22:33]	schestowitz	TotalOut: 2.1 GB
[22:33]	schestowitz	RateIn: 26 kB/s
[22:33]	schestowitz	RateOut: 2.4 kB/s
[22:33]	schestowitz	how does one interpret this
[22:33]	schestowitz	1) is this traffic also for objects other than ours? If so, I don't see many stored locally on the face of it
[22:33]	schestowitz	until we locally store very few and serve to many
[22:33]	vZS1	Don't forget DHT traffic
[22:33]	schestowitz	2) it seems like the pace of increase is more or less constant
[22:33]	vZS1	Peers and all that
[22:34]	schestowitz	OK, for that I'll need to do more reading
[22:34]	schestowitz	I saw some people who read techrights pick up ipfs themselves
[22:34]	schestowitz	so let's hope it spreads
[22:34]	vZS1	It shouldn't take long
[22:34]	vZS1	Especially for consumers
[22:34]	schestowitz	web fatigue is growing
[22:35]	schestowitz	you can read the site from a text editor of the CLI
[22:35]	schestowitz	literally from the terminal
[22:35]	vZS1	Yep. That's what I do
[22:35]	vZS1	I look at the index and then just copy the object CID I want
[22:36]	vZS1	`ipfs cat CID | less`
[22:36]	schestowitz	the /txt address is supposed to simplify this, easy to remember what to access
[22:36]	vZS1	Yeah
[22:36]	vZS1	That's why I said getting that plaintext index is very important
[22:36]	schestowitz	test:
[22:36]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt/
[22:36]	vZS1	I've been reading the bulletin only through the terminal, the last couple days
[22:37]	schestowitz	I guess no <title>, so bot does nothing
[22:37]	schestowitz	the 'page' is served as just txt, as intended
[22:37]	schestowitz	php does this
[22:37]	schestowitz	for the encoding to be utf-8
[22:37]	schestowitz	it has some php code for that
[22:38]	schestowitz	same as  http://techrights.org/txt
[22:38]	schestowitz	I replicated the method across
[22:39]	vZS1	Don't forget to tell people to pin
[22:39]	vZS1	I've got a full mirror of the everything in the index.
[22:39]	schestowitz	it says that since Sunday we've had over 2,500 hits on /txt
[22:39]	schestowitz	based on apache log
[22:39]	vZS1	That's up 100%
[22:39]	vZS1	Cool
[22:40]	schestowitz	ipfs/txt at 391 hits
[22:40]	schestowitz	but that's very new
[22:40]	vZS1	Of your server goes down for whatever reason, you have my email. Just send me an updated index and I'll add any pins I'm missing.
[22:41]	schestowitz	HTML /ipfs 6000+ hits
[22:41]	schestowitz	since Sunday
[22:41]	schestowitz	part of Sunday anyway
[22:41]	schestowitz	I am checking email now
[22:41]	schestowitz	might take a whole
[22:41]	schestowitz	*while
[22:41]	vZS1	Don't worry about it. No rush.
[22:42]	vZS1	I just let you know when I send you things. Think of it like manual notifications. Lol
[22:42]	schestowitz	it's not helping tbh
[22:42]	schestowitz	as it creates mental overload
[22:42]	schestowitz	that's why I do not check mail more than once a day
[22:42]	schestowitz	so I prefer to know about it only when I deal with it
[22:43]	vZS1	Guess you work differently.
[22:43]	schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2019/05/27/reply-in-large-batches/
[22:43]	vZS1	When I get a notification, I make note in my calendar to deal with it
[22:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Want to be Efficient? Disable Notifications. Read and Reply in Large Batches.
[22:43]	vZS1	Otherwise I forget.
[22:43]	schestowitz	most notifications are junk
[22:43]	schestowitz	you cannot properly rank importance/urgency
[22:43]	vZS1	I've silenced all the junk
[22:44]	schestowitz	if you found a way
[22:44]	schestowitz	I made a special inbox for known senders
[22:44]	schestowitz	with about 50 rules in it
[22:45]	vZS1	I don't use social control media. That's about 70% junk dispensed.
[22:46]	vZS1	All notifications go off when I'm working. Phone silenced.
[22:46]	vZS1	Only thing that stays on is my break timer.
[22:49]	schestowitz	read message
[22:49]	schestowitz	thank you
[22:49]	vZS1	Yw
[22:49]	schestowitz	will handle with care
[22:49]	vZS1	Looking forward to today's bulletin.
[22:49]	vZS1	I usually read it while I'm having breakfast.
[22:50]	vZS1	I don't really visit the site anymore
[22:50]	vZS1	Prefer just using the terminal
[22:50]	schestowitz	will back up raspi soon
[22:50]	schestowitz	over rsync or similar
[22:50]	schestowitz	no downtime or manual handling needed
[22:51]	schestowitz	i won't get a soldering gun any sooner than dec 2nd
[22:51]	vZS1	Rsync is definitely a good one
[22:51]	schestowitz	even then friends are not safe to meet
[22:51]	schestowitz	scp phased out
[22:52]	vZS1	Re: meeting friends. Good idea. As much as I'd like to hang out with my mates, it's not going to happen until after lockdown. For everyone's safety.
[22:53]	schestowitz	re Biden-McCain
[22:53]	schestowitz	>> maybe convert it regardless for future use?
[22:53]	schestowitz	> Ok.  It's a 10-second clip.
[22:53]	schestowitz	>
[22:53]	schestowitz	>> will focus on riaa/freesw
[22:53]	schestowitz	> Excellent.  I suppose RIAA is also up to more bad things than usual of
[22:53]	schestowitz	> late.
[22:53]	schestowitz	We can use this to motivate migrations away from GitHub, which is a HIGH PRIORITY cause.
[22:53]	vZS1	Scp is only really good for small jobs. Quickly moving a file or directory, interactively. Rsync is superior for backups. Especially because of the incremental functionality.
[22:53]	schestowitz	I think last time I met a friend outside was months ago
[22:53]	schestowitz	for shotput
[22:53]	schestowitz	when new cases were about 500 a day
[22:54]	vZS1	I meet up with my best mate once every week or two
[22:54]	schestowitz	my wife is my best friend, so
[22:54]	schestowitz	no real urgency in meeting others tbh
[22:54]	vZS1	It's more like family for me though
[22:54]	schestowitz	and the people in the gym are safe to talk to from a distance
[22:55]	vZS1	Most projects can run off an old laptop
[22:55]	vZS1	Just install Git, bugzilla, and set up DNS.
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[22:56]	vZS1	One of the biggest ironies in development is Git being centralised.
[22:56]	schestowitz	> Excellent.  I suppose RIAA is also up to more bad things than usual of
[22:56]	schestowitz	> late.
[22:56]	schestowitz	I linked to the whole McCain speech if someone wants to hear platitudes, but I think it would do more harm than good to reproduce a lot of the thing; the teaser was sufficient for making the point (he ran AGAINST MaCain in 2008... so much for 'opposition').
[22:56]	vZS1	It still cracks me up. Even though it's not something I should be laughing at
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[22:57]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/drake-riaa-meme/
[22:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] For Free Software to be Freedom-Respecting Its Development and Distribution Need to be Decentralised and Widely Distributed, Not Centralised and Monopolised by Microsofts GitHub | Techrights
[22:57]	schestowitz	yes, bugzilla still works
[22:57]	schestowitz	I thought about using it for personal use
[22:57]	schestowitz	but unless there are many people involved, it's overkill
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[22:57]	vZS1	The big problem is the myth that you need to scale like Google to run a project
[22:57]	schestowitz	todo.txt with indentation is usually enough
[22:57]	vZS1	Hope many projects get that big though?
[22:58]	schestowitz	our git server is on the server itself
[22:58]	vZS1	Even then, computers are dirt cheap now
[22:58]	schestowitz	used locally over ssh
[22:58]	vZS1	It's the assumption that GitHub has sold to people
[22:58]	vZS1	That you need 100% uptime
[22:58]	schestowitz	The McCain thing is here BTW;
[22:58]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/11/10/biden-shifted-to-the-right/
[22:58]	schestowitz	10-sec clip
[22:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President-elect Biden is Already Being Shifted to the Right | Techrights
[22:59]	vZS1	And huge servers
[22:59]	schestowitz	there's your new and "good" president...
[22:59]	schestowitz	GitHub has 0% uptime
[22:59]	schestowitz	for youtube-dl
[22:59]	schestowitz	and all its mirrors
[22:59]	schestowitz	inc. future branches/fosks
[22:59]	schestowitz	github... so reliable
● Nov 10
[23:00]	schestowitz	if Dodd/Biden/Nadella/Brad Smith can farm you
[23:00]	vZS1	And guess what
[23:00]	vZS1	If you have your own Git server
[23:00]	vZS1	You have unlimited minutes of CI!
[23:00]	schestowitz	lol
[23:00]	schestowitz	minutes
[23:00]	schestowitz	welcome back mainframes and computer time
[23:00]	schestowitz	watch some ads
[23:00]	schestowitz	we'll exchange them for "time"
[23:00]	schestowitz	like youtube does
[23:01]	schestowitz	we only use yewtu.be now
[23:01]	schestowitz	"BUT YoUTUbe is FrEEEEE"
[23:01]	vZS1	I haven't heard of that one
[23:02]	vZS1	I stumbled across PeerTube, not long ago.
[23:02]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: message to you
[23:02]	schestowitz	>> Nobody screwed with the election except Trump.
[23:02]	schestowitz	>
[23:02]	schestowitz	> Not true. Nobody screwed with the bi-partisan battle except Trump.
[23:02]	schestowitz	> Though if we get into details that also isn't true-- the reason we have
[23:02]	schestowitz	> news of Trump but not of Dems is that Dems did nothing new.
[23:02]	schestowitz	>
[23:02]	schestowitz	> If you had my contacts in the Green Party you'd know that Dems
[23:02]	schestowitz	> interfered with the election as well. But don't expect them to admit to
[23:02]	schestowitz	> rigging (people at RIAAn's level don't even know about it anyway, and
[23:02]	schestowitz	> also don't care) any sooner than Trump would admit to being the worst
[23:02]	schestowitz	> American leader since George III. Of course RIAAn would think that
[23:02]	schestowitz	> whoever rigs the election less is innocent, because he thinks it's a
[23:02]	schestowitz	> zero sum game. Anybody who rigs the election is guilty, and IMO unfit
[23:02]	schestowitz	> for election. But then we differ on a lot of things, like whether both
[23:02]	schestowitz	> sides should be accountable. RIAAn doesn't like SJW censors like MJG,
[23:02]	schestowitz	> but when it comes to voter suppression he turns into someone just like
[23:02]	schestowitz	> him-- referring to voters as "trolls" is *exactly* the sort of thing
[23:03]	schestowitz	> that Daniel complains about constantly, and I can't blame Daniel for that.
[23:03]	schestowitz	vZS1: debian financial supports peeetube now
[23:03]	schestowitz	with excess SPI funds
[23:03]	schestowitz	from Google et al
[23:03]	schestowitz	as events were canceled
[23:03]	schestowitz	they did webstreams  instead
[23:03]	vZS1	Interesting
[23:03]	schestowitz	and need something other than mass uploads to Google
[23:03]	schestowitz	which they still do BTW
[23:03]	schestowitz	Google is their biggest sponsor
[23:03]	schestowitz	and they outsources some of their CI to Google servers
[23:03]	schestowitz	as if it's OK because "not Bezos/Ballmer"
[23:04]	vZS1	They have almost $1 mil
[23:04]	vZS1	They can afford their own servers
[23:04]	vZS1	They = Debian
[23:05]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: also this (you are "RIAAn" apparently... Ryan)
[23:05]	schestowitz	> Eventually I think you will discover that my enemy is not RIAAn, it is
[23:05]	schestowitz	> his bullshit and propaganda. This is an historic moment, and I don't
[23:05]	schestowitz	> intend to be silent about it anymore than the traitors are.
[23:05]	schestowitz	>
[23:05]	schestowitz	> I don't care about fighting RIAAn, I don't care about RIAAn "winning"
[23:05]	schestowitz	> because he won't win anything that he didn't have already. He isn't the
[23:05]	schestowitz	> fight itself.
[23:05]	schestowitz	>
[23:05]	schestowitz	> But I will pin his *propaganda and his bullshit rhetoric* to the ground,
[23:05]	schestowitz	> and leave that full of bigger holes than it started with. RIAAn can do
[23:05]	schestowitz	> whatever the hell pleases him, but I eat fake left corporate propaganda
[23:05]	schestowitz	> for breakfast. As for RIAAn, he's a dick, but you can only say that so
[23:05]	schestowitz	> many times. To wit, I'm already bored with Torvalds. Torvalds is a
[23:05]	schestowitz	> bigger traitor to OUR cause than RIAAn ever will be. But I'll still
[23:05]	schestowitz	> attack  his bullshit. You won't be able to tell just yet, but when you
[23:05]	schestowitz	> hear less and less about it then you'll know I've grown bored with it. I
[23:05]	schestowitz	> don't just sit here and talk to myself, after all. If I'm talking, it's
[23:05]	schestowitz	> to somebody. I know you don't have much to say directly, and I know
[23:05]	schestowitz	> where it goes. Also the latest articles leave me with very little to
[23:05]	schestowitz	> write about it, and that's great for me. I'm very happy to let other
[23:05]	schestowitz	> people speak for me, when what I would say myself isn't any different.
[23:05]	schestowitz	vZS1: but where to host? what dc?
[23:05]	schestowitz	what country?
[23:07]	vZS1	In assuming that's sarcasm
[23:07]	vZS1	I'm*
[23:07]	schestowitz	most devs are European, IIRC
[23:07]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: this:
[23:07]	schestowitz	> ROFL.
[23:08]	schestowitz	>
[23:08]	schestowitz	> Literally the only thing short of revolution that could bring
[23:08]	schestowitz	> non-corporate, for-the-people democracy back ever again, and he would
[23:08]	schestowitz	> vote against it. It's not RIAAn, it's RIAAn, Inc. He's not a person,
[23:08]	schestowitz	> he's a corporate person. What the fuck does he think he's doing here? If
[23:08]	schestowitz	> I was Google, I would consider this guy the perfect weapon. Move over,
[23:08]	schestowitz	> MJG. Here is your only begotten son!
[23:08]	schestowitz	>
[23:08]	schestowitz	> DaemonFC[m]
[23:08]	schestowitz	> The Illinois Constitution requires that voters be asked at least once
[23:08]	schestowitz	> every 20 years if they want a constitutional convention.
[23:08]	schestowitz	> Nov 09 03:19
[23:08]	schestowitz	> <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-091120.html#tNov
[23:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Monday, November 09, 2020
[23:08]	schestowitz	> 09 03:19:35>
[23:08]	schestowitz	> DaemonFC[m]
[23:08]	schestowitz	> I think the next time is 2030 or something.
[23:08]	schestowitz	> Nov 09 03:19
[23:08]	schestowitz	> <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-091120.html#tNov
[23:08]	schestowitz	> 09 03:19:47>
[23:08]	schestowitz	> DaemonFC[m]
[23:08]	schestowitz	> I'll vote no.
[23:10]	vZS1	The fundamental issue though is small projects. Those are and always will be the most numerous. And pretty much all of them can be run on low-spec hardware.
[23:12]	schestowitz	vZS1: should I invert the order of http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt/ ?
[23:12]	schestowitz	what is better, latest last or first?
[23:12]	schestowitz	not sure if you use some software to parse these
[23:13]	vZS1	I just hack shell pipelines
[23:13]	vZS1	Because it's fast and simple
[23:13]	schestowitz	ok
[23:13]	vZS1	My friend does the same
[23:14]	vZS1	That's the benefit of the simple layout
[23:14]	vZS1	`cut -d ' ' -f 1 < txt` spits out all the CIDs
[23:15]	vZS1	And I track the index in Git
[23:15]	vZS1	So I just add the new CIDs now
[23:16]	schestowitz	maybe we should add pipelines at the back end
[23:16]	schestowitz	to present output in other forms
[23:16]	schestowitz	I have some php stuff at hand
[23:16]	vZS1	Up to you. I'm happy with the dumb version
[23:16]	schestowitz	ok
[23:16]	schestowitz	no need then I guess
[23:16]	schestowitz	would complicate maintenance
[23:16]	vZS1	And consumption
[23:17]	schestowitz	with spiders out there
[23:17]	schestowitz	seems a significant proportion of our 100mb of daily apache logs are spiders
[23:17]	schestowitz	but I'm not sure what %
[23:18]	schestowitz	I rarely check any stats, focusing on material to publish is a lot more important
[23:18]	schestowitz	I'll generate the daily files in an hour
[23:18]	vZS1	At least us peers are alleviating some of that
[23:18]	schestowitz	well, if they pick up momentum
[23:18]	schestowitz	I saw the number 22,000 regarding # of ipfs nodes
[23:18]	schestowitz	is that correct?
[23:18]	vZS1	No idea
[23:18]	schestowitz	how many people worldwide use it
[23:19]	vZS1	Haven't got a clue
[23:19]	schestowitz	and how do people discover things of interest?
[23:19]	schestowitz	Sometimes asked me that this week
[23:19]	schestowitz	and I don't know how to answer
[23:19]	schestowitz	say I want to stay only on ipfs and use the stuff of interest to me on it
[23:19]	vZS1	Usually they just look for CID indexes on sites they like to follow
[23:19]	schestowitz	like searching with an engine for ipfs objects
[23:19]	schestowitz	are there CID "aggregators"?
[23:20]	schestowitz	like text files with "today's python news"?
[23:20]	schestowitz	and, if so, where?
[23:20]	vZS1	Private only probably
[23:20]	schestowitz	where does one find indices?
[23:20]	schestowitz	or get added to any?
[23:20]	vZS1	I know one big private one but I can't really disclose involvement in that project
[23:20]	schestowitz	a sea of objects  with nothing tying them together would be less attractive to new adopters
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[23:21]	vZS1	Well. It isn't exactly a private index. But the development is private.
[23:21]	vZS1	You have to think of it like early days of BitTorrent
[23:22]	vZS1	It will take time before big indexers get off the ground
[23:22]	vZS1	For example PirateBay. It's just a glorified index of magnet links
[23:23]	vZS1	The whole concept of IPFS is different. People should really create their own indices and share it with people they are connected to
[23:23]	vZS1	Like TR had its own index
[23:23]	schestowitz	"In dozens of ways, Democrats are to progress what Open Source is to Free Software-- they only care if they win, they don't care how many principles they have to sacrifice to do it. Ultimately to keep out what's worse, they will all but become it-- co-opting the real thing, nullifying and silencing the will of the people, on the behalf of global war and corporate rule." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/New_buffer_2:2
[23:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New buffer 2:2 - Techrights
[23:23]	vZS1	I grab a copy
[23:23]	vZS1	I gave my friend a copy
[23:23]	vZS1	My friend gives other people copies of the index
[23:24]	vZS1	Index aggregators are nice and all. But this is true community
[23:24]	schestowitz	""Open Source" is a meaningless marketing phrase, but it did have a definition based on the Debian Free Software Guidelines. Today it is used as a bait-and-switch way to promote non-free software, so here is a list of examples." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Proprietary_Open_Source
[23:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Proprietary Open Source - Techrights
[23:24]	vZS1	We're bigger than open source and free software
[23:25]	vZS1	This is data and knowledge sharing
[23:25]	schestowitz	wow, tuxmachines just hit a new record
[23:25]	schestowitz	11 hits/sec for the month's average
[23:25]	schestowitz	we got close before, but never over 11 average
[23:26]	vZS1	Congratulations
[23:26]	schestowitz	ty
[23:26]	schestowitz	good to have something p2p
[23:27]	schestowitz	in case the server is outrun one day
[23:27]	schestowitz	and we cannot afford more hardware
[23:27]	schestowitz	for videos we can use p2p
[23:27]	schestowitz	I assume
[23:27]	schestowitz	but... not sure if it's set up like this
[23:27]	schestowitz	ipfs.io/something
[23:27]	vZS1	I don't think you have to worry about running out of hardware. Your data sizes are tiny
[23:27]	schestowitz	as the object of the video
[23:27]	schestowitz	not sure if that would stream well
[23:28]	vZS1	I don't know of streaming
[23:28]	schestowitz	the hardware is under strain due to the cms
[23:28]	vZS1	But people would just grab the whole give e
[23:28]	vZS1	file
[23:28]	vZS1	With video, I highly suggest just compress the damn thing
[23:29]	vZS1	P2P video streaming is a whole other can of worms
[23:31]	vZS1	Because you have to worry about clients a whole lot more
[23:33]	vZS1	The key to P2P streaming is fast compression algorithms
[23:34]	schestowitz	not live streaming
[23:34]	schestowitz	just serving multimedia files
[23:34]	schestowitz	can be buffering forward
[23:34]	schestowitz	just a large file
[23:34]	schestowitz	last month we did 200gb per say some days
[23:34]	schestowitz	due to gates deposition videos
[23:34]	vZS1	Hmm
[23:35]	schestowitz	some are over 200mb in size
[23:35]	vZS1	I think that's just a matter of getting a video client to rate/limit IPFS object block consumption properly
[23:35]	schestowitz	for about one hour
[23:35]	schestowitz	so about 3mb/min
[23:36]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Bill_Gates_Deposition
[23:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Deposition - Techrights
[23:36]	schestowitz	that was just before groklaw (seemingly) died
[23:38]	vZS1	In my head I'm thinking a mix of 3 things. zstd, ipfs, and vlc player
[23:39]	schestowitz	those are ogg files
[23:39]	schestowitz	the browsers support them ok
[23:39]	schestowitz	(with few exceptions)
[23:39]	schestowitz	the question is, are we 'fit' to do more video hosting over ipfs
[23:40]	schestowitz	is that something ipfs has been tested for?
[23:40]	schestowitz	think lbry/peertube
[23:40]	schestowitz	can they be obviated by p2p ipfs?
[23:40]	schestowitz	or is that not its turf?
[23:40]	schestowitz	we're limited on disk space in the server
[23:40]	schestowitz	and we don't need RAID and stuff for things like videos/media anyway
[23:41]	vZS1	I'm sure you can build perfectly functional P2P video streaming on IPFS
[23:43]	vZS1	What I was thinking is a purpose-built client for the job
[23:43]	vZS1	Not a web browser
[23:43]	schestowitz	this has just reminded me to remotely back up tm and rt DBs
[23:43]	schestowitz	*tr
[23:43]	schestowitz	initiated moments ago, last remote backup is about a month old
[23:44]	schestowitz	there are video players for command line
[23:44]	schestowitz	with or without colour
[23:44]	schestowitz	we can do the same with images
[23:44]	schestowitz	the other day I thought about experimenting with conversion of all images to ascii or unicode
[23:44]	schestowitz	let me test the quality we can get
[23:44]	schestowitz	for a plain text utf8 file
[23:45]	schestowitz	I can convert these to Base64
[23:46]	schestowitz	but that's only useful for self-contained html
[23:46]	schestowitz	where the images are included in the html file
[23:46]	schestowitz	and that's not what we want
[23:46]	schestowitz	afaik
[23:46]	schestowitz	https://base64.guru/converter/encode/image
[23:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-base64.guru | Image to Base64 | Base64 Encode | Base64 Converter | Base64
[23:46]	vZS1	I think it's best to just create different IPFS objects and include the CID for those in the article
[23:46]	schestowitz	there's also https://onlineutf8tools.com/convert-utf8-to-image
[23:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-onlineutf8tools.com | Convert UTF8 to an Image - Online UTF8 Tools
[23:47]	schestowitz	but that's the other way around
[23:47]	schestowitz	vZS1: for each image?
[23:47]	vZS1	Yeah
[23:47]	vZS1	The whole point of IPFS is content-based addressing, anyway
[23:48]	vZS1	People just need to get used to it
[23:48]	vZS1	I'm sure more sophisticated clients will develop over time
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[23:49]	vZS1	I'm content with compressing all the raw files and then just adding to IPFS
[23:49]	vZS1	So if you have a big video use xz with the heavy levels of compression
[23:50]	vZS1	Talking -9 flag here
[23:50]	schestowitz	the conversion quality is terrible for 80 chats across
[23:50]	schestowitz	I just tested something
[23:50]	vZS1	xz is lossless btw
[23:50]	schestowitz	maybe ok for landscapes
[23:51]	vZS1	Try it out
[23:51]	vZS1	Use xz on an image with the -9 flag
[23:51]	schestowitz	the converter here is truly awful https://manytools.org/hacker-tools/convert-images-to-ascii-art/go/
[23:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-manytools.org | ASCII art generator for geeks! - Convert images/pictures to ASCII art online! (HTML/text)
[23:51]	schestowitz	let's try unicode
[23:52]	schestowitz
[23:52]	schestowitz
[23:52]	schestowitz	they use just blocks
[23:52]	schestowitz	really awful algorithms
[23:53]	schestowitz	they don't make any use of special chars
[23:54]	vZS1	Is that a gun?
[23:54]	schestowitz	no, the heads of dodd and biden
[23:54]	schestowitz	just the first pixels line
[23:54]	schestowitz	the rest is equally crap
[23:54]	schestowitz	it's just binary
[23:54]	schestowitz	no use of unicode really
[23:54]	schestowitz	I know of command line tools that do better
[23:55]	schestowitz	does anyone remember their name?
[23:55]	vZS1	It's almost midnight. Gonna hit the hay. Gn all.
[23:56]	schestowitz	https://ostechnix.com/how-to-display-images-in-the-terminal/
[23:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-3 CLI Image Viewers To Display Images In The Terminal - OSTechNix
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