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[00:00]	scientes	lwn.net on the other hand is technically quite good
[00:01]	schestowitz	yes, it is
[00:01]	schestowitz	but it has made mistakes too
[00:01]	schestowitz	nobody is perfect :-)
[00:01]	scientes	yes, their stuff on race conditions was pretty broken
[00:01]	scientes	there was this article
[00:02]	scientes	basically they should just use the C++ memory model like everyone else
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[00:03]	scientes	and maybe write some tests that the code generated is good in the places where it matters
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[00:07]	DaemonFC[m]	https://politicalwire.com/2020/11/08/trump-will-return-to-a-struggling-business/
[00:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-politicalwire.com | Trump Will Return to a Struggling Business
[00:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump won't be able to direct taxpayer money (not to mention bribery from foreign governments) to his properties after he leaves office.
[00:07]	schestowitz	wait
[00:07]	schestowitz	the fun part starts there
[00:07]	schestowitz	Dems will open up files
[00:07]	schestowitz	and find out if he illegally funneled money
[00:08]	scientes	schestowitz, $23 trillion
[00:08]	schestowitz	and that's where Trump considers taking a revolver to his head
[00:08]	scientes	or whatever it is
[00:08]	schestowitz	27
[00:08]	scientes	its more like a chute
[00:08]	scientes	a funnel is too small for all this money
[00:08]	schestowitz	maybe he's 'do a Lincoln' on himself
[00:08]	schestowitz	(Project Lincoln)
[00:09]	schestowitz	or maybe he'll just leak doorknobs with covid on them
[00:09]	schestowitz	to "own the libs"
[00:09]	scientes	aparently they are trying to prop up the commercial real estate sector by opening the chute wider
[00:09]	scientes	its like goatsce
[00:09]	scientes	how wide will it open?
[00:09]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/08/biden-trump-election-live-updates/#link-QVHXDQ6HPJF5ZLFG5VCFLJPKWM
[00:09]	schestowitz	vZS1: if you scroll down a bit you'll see under IRC the table with CIDs in http://techrights.org/txt/
[00:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Biden wins presidency: Live updates - The Washington Post
[00:10]	DaemonFC[m]	Layoffs and bankruptcies of his properties already.
[00:10]	DaemonFC[m]	With $427 million in loan payments coming due very soon.
[00:10]	CrystalMath	wouldn't be the first time
[00:10]	scientes	why do you need updates
[00:10]	DaemonFC[m]	The part of the speculation of a Trump 2024 campaign is really amusing, not just because he'll have filed bankruptcy again by then and be completely broke.
[00:10]	schestowitz	his wife is divorcing him BTW
[00:10]	schestowitz	third divorce
[00:11]	CrystalMath	not the first time for that either
[00:11]	schestowitz	what a "Success"
[00:11]	schestowitz	so much "Winning"
[00:11]	schestowitz	he weaponised closeted racism in the US
[00:11]	schestowitz	set it all loose
[00:11]	DaemonFC[m]	"But he could also embrace new sources of revenue perhaps a return to television, where his work on NBCs The Apprentice once provided millions in cash."
[00:11]	schestowitz	to gain power and keep it for a while
[00:11]	schestowitz	and now the damage is done and it can take many decades to fix
[00:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Wrong. Trump is more toxic now. Nobody is going to do a TV deal with a guy like him.
[00:12]	schestowitz	after slavery and reparations and all
[00:12]	DaemonFC[m]	It's not good business anymore.
[00:12]	MinceR	not even fox noise?
[00:12]	schestowitz	Breitbart
[00:12]	MinceR	does breitbart have a tv channel?
[00:12]	schestowitz	Breitbutt, breitfart
[00:13]	schestowitz	MinceR: they might have a "tv celeb"
[00:13]	schestowitz	donnie covfefe
[00:14]	CrystalMath	honestly why the hell did he take out loans now?
[00:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Fox News was the first TV network to call Arizona for Biden.
[00:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Even when I think they really jumped the gun on that one.
[00:14]	CrystalMath	isn't he like really old
[00:14]	CrystalMath	he should have been preparing for retirement
[00:14]	MinceR	maybe he believes he'll live forever
[00:14]	DaemonFC[m]	What's up with  that?
[00:16]	CrystalMath	though maybe i'm wrong, maybe Trump isn't like that
[00:16]	CrystalMath	Trump prefers the volatile lifestyle
[00:16]	CrystalMath	maybe
[00:18]	DaemonFC[m]	"Fox Newss audience plummeted yesterday after Biden became president-elect. During the Biden/Harris speeches, Fox had 3 million viewers, the lowest total of any network."
[00:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Their viewers are furious with them for calling Arizona for Biden.
[00:18]	CrystalMath	because FoxNews turned on Trump
[00:18]	DaemonFC[m]	This could be the end of Fox News.
[00:18]	CrystalMath	and congratulated Biden
[00:18]	CrystalMath	yeah
[00:18]	CrystalMath	a well deserved end
[00:18]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/2009012
[00:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4859715)
[00:19]	CrystalMath	although i suppose the Fox Network is pretty big
[00:19]	CrystalMath	they're popular all over the world
[00:19]	MinceR	well, there were some "republicans" that started fleeing the trumpanic early
[00:20]	MinceR	maybe fox noise will be their network
[00:20]	MinceR	maybe the "republican" party will turn away from dump and it will be theirs
[00:20]	CrystalMath	then i'm not interested in the gop
[00:20]	CrystalMath	if it's gonna be people like Romney? no way
[00:20]	MinceR	it always was :>
[00:20]	MinceR	well, that's not true
[00:21]	DaemonFC[m]	Romney voted to convict Trump and remove him from office.
[00:21]	MinceR	they used to be a liberal/libertarian party long ago
[00:21]	DaemonFC[m]	They've had a feud for some time.
[00:21]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: yeah, because he's a bastard
[00:21]	CrystalMath	he's always been a bastard
[00:21]	CrystalMath	it's just that Trump didn't see it
[00:21]	DaemonFC[m]	Romney wanted a cabinet job and Trump invited him over for dinner and then humiliated him.
[00:21]	MinceR	or at least the less authoritarian of the two parties
[00:21]	CrystalMath	but i knew it since 2012
[00:21]	DaemonFC[m]	The same people who voted for Romney in 2012 voted for McCain in 2008 and Bush and Trump.
[00:22]	DaemonFC[m]	So it's not like these are different people and who the fuck did that... You know?
[00:22]	CrystalMath	well it would certainly not be me
[00:22]	DaemonFC[m]	So they can't really weasel out of picking or trying to pick horrible presidents.
[00:22]	CrystalMath	i would have wrote in Ron Paul or something in 2012
[00:22]	MinceR	well, certainly, as you're not an uhmerican citizen
[00:22]	CrystalMath	and Ron Paul in 2008
[00:22]	CrystalMath	MinceR: speaking hypothetically
[00:22]	DaemonFC[m]	I voted for Obama twice.
[00:23]	CrystalMath	MinceR: also it would require time travel
[00:23]	CrystalMath	since 2012-me would have voted for Obama
[00:23]	CrystalMath	but 2012 me was an idiot
[00:23]	DaemonFC[m]	I wasn't really political until I saw Bush steal the 2000 election and even then not really until after the wars and the "patriot" act.
[00:24]	CrystalMath	i didn't see bush steal the 2000 election, i saw a burnt down building and was incorrectly told that it was destroyed by NATO forces
[00:24]	DaemonFC[m]	But I was only 17 when Bush stole the election with the court. And it was much easier than it would be with Trump because Bush was ahead in the original count and he stopped the recount when things were going Al Gore's way, in one state.
[00:24]	CrystalMath	and i decided that i'll never forgive Clinton
[00:24]	CrystalMath	although that building burnt down due to some bad wiring, actually
[00:24]	DaemonFC[m]	So Trump would have to reverse four states where Biden is much much further ahead than Bush in Florida in 2000.
[00:25]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: except the software glitch moved it by a lot
[00:25]	DaemonFC[m]	And it was a major undertaking in Florida in 2000 for the Republicans to stop the recount.
[00:25]	DaemonFC[m]	It was hundreds of lawyers and dozens of corrupt public officials, and things were a lot more murky with the ballots because of those shitty ballots and punch cards.
[00:25]	CrystalMath	honestly, if Trump somehow wins, i hope that those dem bastards who screwed with the election get what's coming to them
[00:26]	CrystalMath	that would be justice
[00:26]	DaemonFC[m]	Nobody screwed with the election except Trump.
[00:26]	DaemonFC[m]	He cheated with things like the post office sabotage.
[00:26]	CrystalMath	yes they did, the software gave Biden extra votes
[00:26]	DaemonFC[m]	And it was clearly still not enough.
[00:26]	DaemonFC[m]	So Biden's real win would be much bigger.
[00:26]	MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/0LQCRzq.jpg
[00:27]	DaemonFC[m]	The post office admits now that they delayed at least 180,000 votes nationwide so they wouldn't get to the election offices in time.
[00:27]	schestowitz	can anyone help me figure out why the CSS in this page is not being picked up?
[00:27]	schestowitz	https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmU3QMm4W672SSN2buqEG9ouKsQ6EtXYSX6gn6WfT4haSM
[00:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipfs.io | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Sunday, November 08, 2020
[00:27]	DaemonFC[m]	So Biden probably should have gotten at least 100,000 more votes that may or may not ever count.
[00:27]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: maybe from dead people
[00:27]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: and people born in 1832
[00:27]	DaemonFC[m]	You cannot be serious.
[00:27]	CrystalMath	yes, this stuff happened
[00:27]	CrystalMath	there are witnesses
[00:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Barack Obama won Indiana under the most severe Voter ID law in the country.
[00:28]	CrystalMath	voting by mail is a disaster
[00:28]	schestowitz	works well when hosted locally http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-081120.html
[00:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Sunday, November 08, 2020
[00:28]	CrystalMath	the only thing more outrageously fake is online voting
[00:28]	DaemonFC[m]	How would he have cheated that? It was almost entirely in person too.
[00:28]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: Obama didn't lose, Biden lost
[00:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, almost no online voting except for a few states for military members.
[00:28]	schestowitz	the URLs and domains are hard-coded why does ipfs stuff not pick the css file?
[00:29]	DaemonFC[m]	So unless you mean you want to cheat military members out of their votes then, okay?
[00:29]	DaemonFC[m]	They deserve to vote too.
[00:29]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: this year cheating was made possible by voting by mail
[00:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump's talking about throwing away their votes.
[00:29]	CrystalMath	the software completely miscounted stuff, likely deliberately
[00:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Wrong.
[00:30]	DaemonFC[m]	And the reason Trump isn't coughing up the recount money is he knows he's full of shit.
[00:30]	DaemonFC[m]	And those fundraising emails to challenge the election say in the fine print that most of it will not be used for that.
[00:30]	DaemonFC[m]	It says that 2/3rds will be used to pay down his campaign debt.
[00:30]	MinceR	i, too, hope that the bastards that sabotaged the USPS and then spread lies about the ballots that were delayed by this to screw with the election get what's coming to them
[00:31]	CrystalMath	MinceR: voting by mail at this massive scale should never have been allowed
[00:31]	CrystalMath	so i forgive Trump if he did sabotage USPS
[00:31]	CrystalMath	not the latter part, though
[00:31]	schestowitz	is there something that says a css file cannot be imported from another domain? doubt it...
[00:31]	DaemonFC[m]	He'll never be the president again.
[00:31]	MinceR	yeah, they should have all gone in person, coughed in each others' mouths and licked in each others' ears. hail Nurgle!
[00:31]	DaemonFC[m]	12 diet cokes a day and diet of mcdonalds and kfc.
[00:31]	DaemonFC[m]	Never touches vegetables.
[00:32]	DaemonFC[m]	I mean, he is a vegetable with a very carrot-like coloring, but other than that.
[00:32]	CrystalMath	MinceR: people can wear masks
[00:32]	MinceR	masks do not make people 100% immune to SARS-CoV-2
[00:32]	MinceR	funny thing, there was some drive-in voting to reduce the risk and cheeto hitler also tried to sabotage that
[00:32]	CrystalMath	of course not, they prevent it from spreading when you're in a situation that could spread it
[00:33]	MinceR	because he's a nurglite piece of shit
[00:33]	MinceR	no, they don't prevent it, they merely make it less risky
[00:33]	DaemonFC[m]	He most likely won't be alive in 4 years.
[00:33]	CrystalMath	unless he wins this year
[00:33]	DaemonFC[m]	He had some propaganda doctor release a political statement that said he was in great health, but we all know that's ridiculous.
[00:33]	CrystalMath	although, then he'll be hit by the curse of Tecumseh
[00:33]	DaemonFC[m]	He never would have lived through a second term even had he won.
[00:34]	CrystalMath	so yeah, i don't know if he'll be with us in 2024 :(
[00:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Curse of Ronald McDonald.
[00:34]	MinceR	lol
[00:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Anal cancer maybe.
[00:34]	DaemonFC[m]	From eating all of those fish supremes and chocolate malteds.
[00:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Whatever those are.
[00:34]	superkuh	There were not masks produced and made available to the public. They were restricted to health workers and the like. Unfit, flappy, open fabric covers are not masks that prevent *you* from getting sick.
[00:35]	superkuh	The government should've been setting up long term production orders with Ameritech and 3M back in Feb.
[00:35]	CrystalMath	superkuh: but if everoyne wears them...
[00:35]	MinceR	i have an FFP3 mask, but even that does not give 100% protection
[00:35]	superkuh	But even know they aren't operating to capacity.
[00:35]	CrystalMath	i only wear the flappy ones
[00:35]	DaemonFC[m]	I just have a bunch of shitty cloth masks like most people in America.
[00:35]	CrystalMath	because i don't care if i get sick
[00:35]	DaemonFC[m]	The great Trump economy couldn't even get ahold of masks, gloves, or hand sanitizer.
[00:35]	CrystalMath	it's just to stop me from spreading it
[00:36]	DaemonFC[m]	Seriously, couldn't find hand sanitizer for 4 months during the worst pandemic in over a century.
[00:36]	CrystalMath	in that scenario
[00:36]	MinceR	the flappy ones aren't as good at stopping the spread either
[00:36]	superkuh	Well, sure, at the start things were forgivable.
[00:36]	superkuh	But now? Not so much.
[00:36]	superkuh	There should be production and distribution.
[00:36]	CrystalMath	MinceR: but if i get covid-19, and i die, i obey the almighty will of Nature
[00:36]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: No, which is why we're at 150,000 confirmed cases per day now.
[00:36]	DaemonFC[m]	12,000 of them in Illinois alone.
[00:37]	CrystalMath	i won't even get treated for cancer if i get that
[00:37]	CrystalMath	and i would refuse ventilators
[00:37]	CrystalMath	if i need one
[00:37]	CrystalMath	for any reason
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[00:39]	schestowitz	"
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[00:39]	Digit	would be cool to see more how-to to follow the hopes that more will follow.  http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/peer-to-peer-dweb/ showing the way too, not just exemplifying and hoping.  :)
[00:39]	schestowitz	QmU3QMm4W672SSN2buqEG9ouKsQ6EtXYSX6gn6WfT4haSM
[00:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights is Now on the Decentralised Web | Techrights
[00:39]	schestowitz	Loading mixed (insecure) display content "http://techrights.org/images/techrights-logo.png" on a secure page
[00:39]	schestowitz	"
[00:39]	schestowitz	Oh, I found the culprit then
[00:39]	DaemonFC[m]	That was Biden's best moment.
[00:39]	DaemonFC[m]	When Trump made it obvious how clueless and uncaring he was.
[00:39]	DaemonFC[m]	"People are learning to live with it!"
[00:39]	DaemonFC[m]	And then Biden says, "No, Mr. President. People are dying of it.".
[00:40]	DaemonFC[m]	Biden didn't have to win the debates so much as not lose them and not let Trump get away with murder (as much as possible).
[00:40]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump wanted more debates because his own internal polls showed he was likely to lose.
[00:41]	DaemonFC[m]	But then he infected the entire White House with the virus and was unable to do the second one.
[00:41]	CrystalMath	and who died? nobody
[00:41]	CrystalMath	not even Trump
[00:41]	DaemonFC[m]	Gee, because they all have good healthcare. The best.
[00:41]	DaemonFC[m]	You pay for it.
[00:41]	CrystalMath	no not me, i'm not an american :P
[00:41]	DaemonFC[m]	Stuff you'll never have access to.
[00:41]	schestowitz	seems like many use ipfs already
[00:41]	schestowitz	https://ipfs.io/images/ipfs-applications-diagram.png
[00:42]	DaemonFC[m]	Even if it's there, who can afford it?
[00:42]	schestowitz	even guix
[00:42]	DaemonFC[m]	Eric Lipton, in Washington 5:10 PM ET
[00:42]	DaemonFC[m]	I ran into random federal employees I know. From various agencies. Again and again, they expressed enormous relief. A storm cloud is passing. Work of the government can continue.
[00:43]	DaemonFC[m]	----
[00:43]	DaemonFC[m]	John  told me that NOBODY at the TSA liked Donald Trump.
[00:43]	CrystalMath	nobody likes the TSA
[00:43]	DaemonFC[m]	And if 1-2 of them did, not after the shutdown where they were getting eviction letters from not being paid.
[00:43]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, he wasn't paying any government workers during the shutdown.
[00:43]	DaemonFC[m]	So it's not a surprise that they remembered that, and remembered to vote.
[00:44]	DaemonFC[m]	There's hundreds of thousands of them, so like everything Trump does. Shortsighted and stupid and blew up on him in the end.
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[00:46]	MinceR	great stuff >> http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/peer-to-peer-dweb/
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[00:47]	schestowitz	MinceR: thanks!
[00:47]	schestowitz	running from home, on a raspi
[00:47]	schestowitz	along with other nodes all around the world
[00:47]	schestowitz	so it would be accessible if powered down as well
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[02:07]	schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8WRFw5sHQ
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[02:36]	schestowitz	"I'm not surprised that these open source communities are dying. They were founded based on the ideals of free speech and selfless sharing of technology. Both of these ideals are dying." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25027296
[02:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Large Corporations Arent Going to Save the Real Linux Community | Hacker News
[02:37]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: personally i believe that what's really amazing about free software is the autonomy you have while making it, nobody tells you how to do it
[02:38]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: that's why people love working on projects, but not systemd or firefox
[02:38]	CrystalMath	because with things like systemd you have no individual autonomy
[02:39]	Digit	free software community, yes.  open source community, more a co-option rebrand usurption embrace-extend-extinguish thing.  pity free software had an ambiguous dual meaning, to the uninitiated ear seeming the other meaning, with freedom not in sight.  easy pickings.  now we see extinguish trickling in.
[02:41]	schestowitz	I don't think words were the primary issue
[02:41]	schestowitz	even if it was called "freedom software", something like OSI would emerge
[02:41]	Digit	sure.
[02:41]	schestowitz	like "business freedom foundation"
[02:42]	schestowitz	and then coopt the movement
[02:42]	schestowitz	and some company like Red Hat would brain-drain GNU
[02:42]	CrystalMath	they can always try...
[02:42]	CrystalMath	but it doesn't have to work
[02:42]	Digit	language just greases the desk-killer's train's wheels.
[02:42]	schestowitz	seems like an excuse
[02:42]	schestowitz	although RMS said he partly regretted the name
[02:42]	schestowitz	and it was too late to change it
[02:43]	schestowitz	to remove ambiguity
[02:43]	Digit	faifware.  n_n
[02:43]	schestowitz	he had a target on our collective arse -- and his -- regardless
[02:43]	schestowitz	if the name wasn't an "issue", they'd find something else
[02:43]	schestowitz	we recently published an article about it
[02:43]	schestowitz	it was a week or two ago
[02:43]	schestowitz	the name is a distraction
[02:44]	schestowitz	OSI uses that as an excuse for its existence
[02:44]	schestowitz	its def is based on Debian's, which is based on FSF's
[02:44]	schestowitz	so in effect they're just making a parallel org
[02:44]	schestowitz	and then boost this org and brand in the media
[02:44]	schestowitz	then it gets further entrenches
[02:44]	schestowitz	* entrenched
[02:45]	schestowitz	in turn it attacks the thing it was really derived from
[02:45]	schestowitz	to borrow a hypothetical "Attack Plan"
[02:45]	schestowitz	someone comes here, "Techrights amicus"
[02:45]	schestowitz	Then asks to create some domain like "Techrights Canada"
[02:45]	schestowitz	(partly based on a true story)
[02:46]	schestowitz	and similar to what FSFE did to FSF
[02:46]	schestowitz	Then that new site distorts what we say
[02:46]	schestowitz	so the identity gets tarnished, misrepresented
[02:46]	schestowitz	then they net millions from Microsoft, Cisco, Intel
[02:46]	schestowitz	and become bigger and "better" than the original
[02:46]	schestowitz	and we're just some lousy small site
[02:47]	schestowitz	and the "Techrights" everyone knows, sponsored by Microsoft, says "Azure is the future!!"
[02:47]	schestowitz	BTW
[02:47]	schestowitz	many attempts lately to register techrights china lately
[02:47]	schestowitz	the chinese regime sends me emails to ask if it's authorised
[02:47]	schestowitz	we respond "no"
[02:48]	schestowitz	so their internet companies block domains like techrights.org.cn techrights.com.cn etc.
[02:48]	schestowitz	Last month they tried the same with schestowitz.com.cn etc.
[02:48]	schestowitz	which I found odd and quaint
[02:48]	schestowitz	like... who in China is a "witz" anyway
[02:48]	schestowitz	?
[02:51]	DaemonFC[m]	Democrats not only defeated the incumbent prosecutor and coroner in lake County, Illinois, they grabbed two more county board seats.
[02:52]	DaemonFC[m]	Lake County used to be a Republican stronghold and now they barely have any offices.
[02:54]	DaemonFC[m]	<schestowitz "like... who in China is a "witz""> Well, when that Linsux thing was around and they were trolling Techrights and laughing about it and calling for me to be banned, they seem to have caught Roy unaware.
[02:55]	DaemonFC[m]	Was on Twitter telling them he was considering banning me, while the same people were on Linsux forums calling him "shitzferwitz" if I remember correctly.
[02:55]	DaemonFC[m]	Linsux. Really? Like who is going to spend their own money registering a domain and putting  a forum up like that?
[02:56]	DaemonFC[m]	I think Windows 10 is godawful but you know, the results are speaking for themselves like they always do every time Windows declines some more in quality.
[02:57]	DaemonFC[m]	People vote with their feet even if they have to put some effort into it because it's easier to learn a completely new system that actually usually works okay than it is to keep stopping because of crashes and ransomware and bad updates and bricked firmware and product activation errors.
[02:58]	DaemonFC[m]	Even if you, the user, do absolutely nothing "wrong", Windows will accumulate bizarre errors that pile up. Some come, some go, but  they pile up.
[02:58]	DaemonFC[m]	Because their update process is like a firehose feeding into a drain that's 3/4ths of the way clogged.
[02:59]	DaemonFC[m]	They're always adding more bugs than they fix.
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[02:59]	DaemonFC[m]	So I still want someone to explain "Linsux" to me. Honestly.
[02:59]	DaemonFC[m]	They said they liked BSD, and maybe they actually got it working on a PC. More power to them because I never have.
● Nov 09
[03:00]	schestowitz	Linsux?
[03:00]	schestowitz	That was like a decade back, no?
[03:00]	DaemonFC[m]	BSD, as we are all aware, is totally secure because nobody can possibly run malicious code with remote access in the absence of network drivers.
[03:01]	DaemonFC[m]	<schestowitz "That was like a decade back, no?"> It was, but they're running /r/Linux now pretty much.
[03:01]	schestowitz	that explains a lot then
[03:01]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't know if it's the exact people but it seems like Microsoft always has a covert team of people who complain about Linux and derail the conversation into something about Windows.
[03:01]	schestowitz	any proof of that though?
[03:02]	DaemonFC[m]	It's the same attitude at least. Worse, even, because they'll do shit and it just says "The Moderators". Like, who is doing this and why won't they explain themselves?
[03:03]	DaemonFC[m]	Arbitrary rules which you happen to break by complaining about Windows (to any degree) or trying to post Linux news.
[03:03]	schestowitz	some might be using linux as a hobby, sometimes
[03:03]	schestowitz	vZS1: read this ^^
[03:03]	schestowitz	(re Reddit)
[03:03]	DaemonFC[m]	If Windows existed in a free market and nobody was pressured to use it, I would never complain....and it also would drop to next to zero users immediately.
[03:04]	DaemonFC[m]	That's why they're stacked with lawyers, pay out bribes, etc.
[03:04]	DaemonFC[m]	They've always been terrified of Chromebooks and this DoJ lawsuit against Google is obviously a scheme where Microsoft and Oracle are behind the scenes and Trump is doing them a dirty favor.
[03:05]	DaemonFC[m]	The DoJ complaint says nothing about DRM or any of the real anti-consumer and anti-market harm Google does. Nothing at all.
[03:06]	DaemonFC[m]	It says that their search is an illegal monopoly (because it works so much better and that's why people use it, but they act like there are no others) and because their ad network hurts Microsoft's and Amazon's (not the users, which is spies on).
[03:06]	DaemonFC[m]	So I am very much not rooting for this antitrust case because it misses the real harm that Google is doing to the marketplace. To the public.
[03:06]	DaemonFC[m]	And the remedy would be to hand more of the same harmful conduct over to Microsoft and Amazon.
[03:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Separated from their ad network, Google products would be terrific.
[03:07]	DaemonFC[m]	They tend to be well designed and intuitive, at least more so than Windows and Apple.
[03:08]	DaemonFC[m]	The DoJ might demand a search engine ballot in Chrome or something.
[03:08]	DaemonFC[m]	Bing is available in Chrome, but nobody switches to it because it's terrible.
[03:09]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't even know what the hell the purpose of Edge on Linux is, other than maybe to give your sites a once over.
[03:09]	DaemonFC[m]	But you can do that on any Chromium browser.
[03:09]	schestowitz	it googlebombs "LINUX"
[03:09]	schestowitz	and helps Microsoft spread its marketing of spyware to more site
[03:10]	schestowitz	some idiots might even use it regularly
[03:10]	schestowitz	and add Microsoft PPAs to their distro
[03:10]	schestowitz	and so on and so forth...
[03:10]	schestowitz	Microsoft is attacking
[03:10]	schestowitz	we are under attack
[03:10]	schestowitz	and their bribed network, e.g. zdnet, tells us all they LOVE us
[03:10]	DaemonFC[m]	Microsoft's other Debian packages have sometimes overwritten crucial operating system files.
[03:10]	DaemonFC[m]	Why in god's name would you install anything from them?
[03:11]	schestowitz	because Microsoft loves Linux now
[03:11]	schestowitz	Hans loves Nina
[03:11]	schestowitz	Chile loves Pinochet
[03:11]	DaemonFC[m]	Even if it doesn't break your Debian/Ubuntu setup then at the very least, their shitty Microsoft program will stop functioning at some point.
[03:11]	schestowitz	Boris loves Boris
[03:11]	schestowitz	Brexit means Brexit
[03:11]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: then they will say it's an accident
[03:12]	schestowitz	and then 'fix' it
[03:12]	schestowitz	and then dozens of headlines
[03:12]	schestowitz	about how Microsoft loves Linux
[03:12]	schestowitz	because they fix what they break
[03:12]	schestowitz	as they did with Skype
[03:12]	schestowitz	bought a program that supported Linux
[03:12]	schestowitz	then broke it
[03:12]	DaemonFC[m]	I heard on NPR the other day that Lichtenstein is really cleaning up on brexit.
[03:12]	schestowitz	then restored, partially, some fucntionality
[03:12]	schestowitz	hence "loves Linux"
[03:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Something about the UK making itself far less relevant as a financial center.
[03:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Have fun with that I guess.
[03:12]	DaemonFC[m]	See, you do have idiots in the voting majority over there too.
[03:13]	schestowitz	I never supported Brexshit
[03:13]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: everywhere
[03:13]	schestowitz	but we don't inaugurate nazis
[03:13]	DaemonFC[m]	Not....yet.
[03:13]	schestowitz	the US is ahead of the curve
[03:13]	DaemonFC[m]	You know, there's a first time for everything.
[03:13]	DaemonFC[m]	Hopefully this one leaves or gets carried out in handcuffs.
[03:13]	schestowitz	US was also first with eugenics, I think
[03:14]	schestowitz	ahead of the Nazis in Germany
[03:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Yes, and it was an Indiana law that was the model for that!
[03:14]	DaemonFC[m]	And the Indiana state government didn't apologize for it until 2007!
[03:14]	schestowitz	you have a state called after India
[03:14]	schestowitz	and natives were called after India
[03:14]	schestowitz	funny as India hardly had anything to do with Americas, ever...
[03:15]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, the Indiana Territory covered more than the current state of Indiana.
[03:15]	DaemonFC[m]	It was Illinois, Wisconsin, and Michigan too at one point.
[03:15]	DaemonFC[m]	Congress had a habit of carving up territories because it didn't want to admit mega states with lots of political clout.
[03:16]	schestowitz	maybe GOP can start splitting states some more
[03:16]	schestowitz	for gerrymandering purpose
[03:16]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, there was the idea of splitting Texas and California up.
[03:16]	DaemonFC[m]	But states aren't going to voluntarily do that.
[03:17]	DaemonFC[m]	The only one that carved itself up into two states voluntarily was when Massachusetts let go of Maine.
[03:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Other than that, it would be West Virginia seceding from Virginia during the Civil War.
[03:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Totally illegal, but to get it done, Congress recognized the West Virginia "government" as the Virginia legislature.
[03:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Which "consented" to partition itself.
[03:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Good thing too, honestly.
[03:18]	DaemonFC[m]	If West Virginia was still part of Virginia, you'd have another red state with a gigantic population and lots of rural voters overtaking the city voters.
[03:19]	DaemonFC[m]	There's still a proposal to split up Illinois from Chicago.
[03:19]	DaemonFC[m]	But I'd vote that down.
[03:19]	DaemonFC[m]	The Illinois Constitution requires that voters be asked at least once every 20 years if they want a constitutional convention.
[03:19]	DaemonFC[m]	I think the next time is 2030 or something.
[03:19]	DaemonFC[m]	I'll vote no.
[03:20]	DaemonFC[m]	My god can you imagine the mess they'd make out of it today?
[03:21]	schestowitz	maybe 100 states in total
[03:21]	schestowitz	another "nice number"
[03:21]	schestowitz	or maybe add some "territories" as states
[03:21]	schestowitz	give them voting powers, too
[03:25]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, the only ones left are Puerto Rico and the unorganized or unincorporated territories.
[03:25]	DaemonFC[m]	The unorganized ones are mostly uninhabited.
[03:28]	DaemonFC[m]	There's just really no strong push to change status for most of them. I don't know why. As territories the US is obligated to defend them, and they don't pay federal income taxes.
[03:29]	DaemonFC[m]	I think there's a consensus that if someone tried invading anything we have a claim on it would mean war.
[03:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Both parties seem to like war anyway.
[03:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Wag the Dog is pretty popular.
[03:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Thatcher did it in the Falklands War.
[03:30]	DaemonFC[m]	It's to distract voters, make them feel good about themselves.
[03:31]	DaemonFC[m]	Hey we just beat someone up. Woohoo. Our country is going to shit but aren't we great?
[03:31]	DaemonFC[m]	As I understand it there were no gains to the UK of anything in that except that they held onto a "possession".
[03:32]	DaemonFC[m]	"Subjects to rule over."
[03:32]	DaemonFC[m]	Just what every decaying civilization needs.
[03:32]	DaemonFC[m]	Just what it's been looking for.
[03:33]	DaemonFC[m]	There's expansion, there's decline. There's people who can't stop the decline but can stick their fingers in their ears and hum.
[03:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Those people voted for Trump and it was because he promised them a bunch of quick and easy fixes and "filthy people from shithole countries" to blame for everything, you know.
[03:34]	DaemonFC[m]	And mom and dad fell for it all, from this sleazy one term con artist.
[03:34]	schestowitz	lol
[03:35]	schestowitz	gn
[03:38]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump is the Flim Flam Man and he goes from town to town selling them a bunch of crap and then fleeing under cover of darkness when they realize what he is and start chasing him with torches and pitchforks.
[03:38]	DaemonFC[m]	My favorite part of that movie was where he ends up with an entire truckload of really terrible whisket.
[03:38]	DaemonFC[m]	*whiskey
[03:39]	DaemonFC[m]	So he goes into a store and gets a bottle of top shelf stuff and then gives someone a swig of it, and the guy agrees to buy it from him for this impossibly low price, and in actuality the rest of the truck is stuff someone brewed in a bathtub.
[03:39]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump is the presidential equivalent of that. He hoodwinked America and America fell for it....once.
[03:41]	DaemonFC[m]	Everyone who has ever done business with him tried to warn everyone else about him, but many people wouldn't listen. They voted for him anyway, despite the other people he conned, cheated, cheated on, and sexually assaulted.
[03:43]	DaemonFC[m]	His brand is now totally destroyed. He's got $427 million in loans he can't pay coming due soon. They'll claw any assets he does have in the Trump Organization in bankruptcy or lawsuit.
[03:43]	DaemonFC[m]	The name will come off the buildings.
[03:43]	DaemonFC[m]	I mean. I don't think people get just how pathetic this guy really is.
[03:43]	DaemonFC[m]	They'll see.
● Nov 09
[04:11]	CrystalMath	71 million people voted for him
[04:11]	CrystalMath	he can't be that bad
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[06:23]	oiaohm	CrystalMath: remember people voted for people like Hitler as well.   Getting votes does not make you a good person.
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[06:26]	oiaohm	https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/how-dictators-come-power-democracy  Its a very interesting read.   Lot of the conditions that got hilter into power existed when Trump first got in.
[06:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cato.org | How Dictators Come to Power in a Democracy | Cato Institute
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[09:03]	schestowitz	raspberrypi:~ $ ipfs stats bw
[09:03]	schestowitz	Bandwidth
[09:03]	schestowitz	TotalIn: 3.0 GB
[09:03]	schestowitz	TotalOut: 1.3 GB
[09:03]	schestowitz	RateIn: 14 kB/s
[09:04]	schestowitz	RateOut: 2.4 kB/s
[09:04]	schestowitz	Not bad for a first day
[09:25]	schestowitz	>> but wait till/if it gets bigger. It'll be
[09:25]	schestowitz	> tampered with all the same...
[09:25]	schestowitz	>
[09:25]	schestowitz	> Immunity is a process. It is created by an immune system.
[09:25]	schestowitz	>
[09:25]	schestowitz	> No software, or organisation, is immune to being co-opted.
[09:25]	schestowitz	>
[09:25]	schestowitz	> Some are protected, and have resistance.
[09:26]	schestowitz	>
[09:26]	schestowitz	> GNUis not protected. it is infected, infested. It is worth protecting,
[09:26]	schestowitz	> but nobody is protecting it.
[09:26]	schestowitz	>
[09:26]	schestowitz	> FreeBSD is infested.
[09:26]	schestowitz	>
[09:26]	schestowitz	> OpenBSD and NetBSD have stewards. But they are also easier to take care of.
[09:26]	schestowitz	>
[09:26]	schestowitz	> Nothing is immune, if immune means "impervious". Stewards can be
[09:26]	schestowitz	> compromised as well as projects.
[09:26]	schestowitz	>
[09:26]	schestowitz	> The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance. But there is vigilance over
[09:26]	schestowitz	> BSD, that vigilance has disappeared elsewhere.
[09:26]	schestowitz	>
[09:26]	schestowitz	> You are among the few watching over GNU. It is still worth it, but it is
[09:26]	schestowitz	> probably too late. I said probably, not definitely. If it can be saved,
[09:26]	schestowitz	> it ought to be.
[09:26]	schestowitz	>
[09:26]	schestowitz	> With the current parties only, if Hyperbola becomes a success it could
[09:26]	schestowitz	> branch off or inspire a new GNU, if that is not exactly what Hyperbola
[09:26]	schestowitz	> itself is creating anyway.
[09:28]	vZS1	The reason the BSDs do so well is that they have people who understand business calling the shots. When you have (A)GPL code you need to be really cautious about how you run your project and keep the cashflow sustainable
[09:29]	vZS1	And GNU stuff is more about the user than monetisation.
[09:31]	vZS1	That's why you see a lot of GNU projects run out of steam. It's not easy to make that kind of thing sustainable
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[11:11]	oiaohm	schestowitz: you would not happen to be a prior Enigmail  and suffering from the migration glitches with thunderbird.
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[11:26]	oiaohm	vZS1: Lot of BSD projects run out of cash as well.
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[11:28]	oiaohm	vZS1: blender is GPL and does really well for funding.   But they took getting sold funding model worked out early on.
[11:28]	oiaohm	MIT and BSD licensed competitors to Blender died.
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● Nov 09
[12:06]	oiaohm	schestowitz: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/companies-house-forces-business-name-change-to-prevent-security-risk/ar-BB1aLHMi   sometimes how bad security is happens to be sad.
[12:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Companies House forces business name change to prevent security risk
[12:06]	oiaohm	Yes company was named ""> and it broke stuff.
[12:06]	schestowitz	lol
[12:07]	schestowitz	maybe they uses Microsoft (MSN) DB
[12:12]	oiaohm	Could have been fun with MS Word auto correct as well.
[12:13]	oiaohm	You know how it likes to do the left and right versions of "
[12:13]	oiaohm	Yes that would bring the finer point of legal as corrected by word would no longer be the companies name.
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[13:44]	MinceR	09 072302 < oiaohm> CrystalMath: remember people voted for people like Hitler as well.   Getting votes does not make you a good person.
[13:44]	MinceR	hitler is so "hip" and "cool" nowadays though
[13:46]	MinceR	09 130607 < oiaohm> schestowitz: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/companies-house-forces-business-name-change-to-prevent-security-risk/ar-BB1aLHMi   sometimes how bad security is happens to be sad.
[13:46]	MinceR	Little Bobby Tables, we call him.
[13:49]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/20083042
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[13:55]	kingoffrance	yes ppl are saying all kinds of us election stuff....ppl seem to think security was magically great before..diebold goes back a long ways
[13:56]	MinceR	and yet they were in no hurry to fix it
[13:57]	MinceR	once people started sending votes via mail, suddenly this became a major issue for "republicans"
[13:57]	MinceR	strange, isn't it?
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[14:01]	schestowitz	[13:44] <MinceR> hitler is so "hip" and "cool" nowadays though
[14:01]	schestowitz	Make Alemania Great Again
[14:01]	MinceR	:>
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[14:03]	CrystalMath	yeah, cause hitler was so anti-interventionist :P
[14:03]	schestowitz	he was really just a democrat
[14:03]	schestowitz	then he was "independent"
[14:04]	schestowitz	he only intervenes in "shithole countries"
[14:05]	schestowitz	to spread .DE mocracy
[14:06]	CrystalMath	are you talking about hitler or bill clinton?
[14:06]	CrystalMath	i can't tell
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[14:12]	kingoffrance	i mean, people were saying do mail *because* diebold stuff was not secure
[14:12]	kingoffrance	like, some ppl claimed that *was* more secure
[14:12]	kingoffrance	before covid it seems too
[14:32]	MinceR	mail probably was more secure than diebold's shit
[14:33]	MinceR	diebold's approach to security: "it's a computer, see? :waves hands: woo!"
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[15:10]	oiaohm	MinceR: https://www.wired.com/story/voting-village-results-hacking-decade-old-bugs/  scary part is some of the diebold garbage would have still been in use this USA election.
[15:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Some Voting Machines Still Have Decade-Old Vulnerabilities | WIRED
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[15:11]	oiaohm	Yes and even old broken stuff as well.
[15:12]	kingoffrance	i havent followed it but yes it seems it was renamed dominion
[15:13]	MinceR	so you can see how worried cheeto hitler was about fraud
[15:13]	MinceR	i thought it was renamed to "premiere" or something like that
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[15:18]	oiaohm	The Nazi party is technically Far-right.   Republicans USA are  right-wing.   Yes it does kind explain why trump at times sound like he was attempting to get Nazi like people on his side because he really was.
[15:18]	MinceR	technically politicalcompass.org found the nazi party to be closer to center
[15:18]	MinceR	probably because their ideology was a mishmash of whatever was trendy at the time
[15:18]	MinceR	including socialism
[15:19]	oiaohm	The funny part is Hitler has one rating and the Nazi party has a different one.
[15:20]	oiaohm	Hitler his own views were fairly central.  The parties view was not.
[15:20]	MinceR	probably many individuals in the nazi party could have their own
[15:21]	XRevan86	oiaohm: His dreams of conquest were incredibly central.
[15:23]	XRevan86	Whose idea was to oppress Jews? Of our favourite centrist?
[15:24]	XRevan86	In my opinion this is a Putin / United Russia thing. They also have very different ratings.
[15:24]	oiaohm	XRevan86: that would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryanism
[15:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Aryanism - Wikipedia
[15:25]	oiaohm	The idea to of oppression if different classes of people predate Nazi.   Just the Nazi were way more effective at it.
[15:29]	oiaohm	Yes horrible enough trump over the years said many things that are pure Aryanism.
[15:31]	kingoffrance	dominion for the homeland of course, you see :)
[15:32]	oiaohm	Trump play book was a very old playbook that us used very poorly.
[15:33]	oiaohm	Have to wonder if some of it is how poor history is taught.
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[16:02]	Chaekyung	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmKp5p7WoAMHE1I?format=jpg&name=large
[16:03]	Chaekyung	What is Free Software? A talk on the Ohio Linux conference brought to you by .. Zoom
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[16:07]	schestowitz	lol
[16:07]	schestowitz	they show what it is now
[16:07]	MinceR	i'm surprised they didn't redefine "free software" like they redefined "end-to-end encryption"
[16:08]	schestowitz	https://youtu.be/miCPfjucsB8
[16:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bert Hubert, PowerDNS - Encryption, data protection and law enforcement - YouTube
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[16:14]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/be63678dd0a246ca.mp4
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[16:36]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/2008302
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[17:09]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR I tell Mandy sometimes, "That sounds nice Mandy. Unfortunately, I have to get back to Earth before the Stargate closes. Mandy, chevrons are locking.".
[17:09]	MinceR	lol
[17:09]	DaemonFC[m]	I picked that up from Archer.
[17:09]	schestowitz	haha
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[17:33]	MinceR	(video) (audio:important) https://streamable.com/rq5oao
[17:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Streamable Video
[17:34]	schestowitz	"Hungarian-style authoritarianism"
[17:34]	schestowitz	OrBANANA Republic
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[17:53]	scientes	BANANANANANANANA
[17:53]	scientes	schestowitz, hungarian notation republic
[17:53]	MinceR	even worse
[17:53]	scientes	notation hungarian republic
[17:53]	scientes	oh wait that is reverse-polish
[17:54]	scientes	reverse-polish hungarian notation
[17:56]	MinceR	they removed "republic" from the official name anyway
[17:56]	MinceR	because it's a four-letter word to fideath
[17:57]	scientes	MinceR, did they add "oligarchy"?
[17:57]	scientes	:-)
[17:57]	MinceR	no, it's just "hungary" now
[17:58]	scientes	what about "Hungry and thirsty"?
[17:59]	scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttBa4hg221o
[17:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Las Dolomitas, sus secretos y sus tesoros - YouTube
[17:59]	scientes	this looks pretty awesome
[17:59]	scientes	but I skipped Europe
[17:59]	scientes	for Georgia
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[18:03]	scientes	those fish lenses are creepy
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[20:48]	DaemonFC[m]	I bought more markdown meat and dented cans at the store.
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[20:49]	DaemonFC[m]	I look at the cans pretty well and if they are just crushed or making popping noises or the seam is damaged I leave them alone.
[20:50]	DaemonFC[m]	Saved two dollars making dinner tonight though. About 25 percent.
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[21:41]	smnthermes	https://chuttenblog.wordpress.com/2020/11/05/data-science-is-hard-alsa-in-firefox/
[21:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chuttenblog.wordpress.com | Data Science is Hard: ALSA in Firefox chuttenblog
[21:41]	smnthermes	> So if you want to be counted: turn Telemetry on (its in the Preferences) and leave it on
[21:42]	smnthermes	Oh wow
[21:57]	MinceR	lol
[21:57]	MinceR	i have a better idea: replace it with crashium or a crashium-based browser
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[22:00]	MinceR	> and hopefully began reporting Telemetry by default
[22:00]	MinceR	fuck you very much, chutten
[22:00]	MinceR	also fuck you, anthony jones
[22:00]	MinceR	"run poetteringaudio and/or spyware"
[22:00]	MinceR	"take back the web", my ass
[22:02]	MinceR	> Mozilla can only support a finite number of things.
[22:02]	MinceR	considering how they branched into tons of irrelevant shit, i'd say that number turns out to be 0
[22:14]	oiaohm	Also there is another side to that problem.
[22:15]	oiaohm	Distributions were not only patching out the Telemetry but doing patches in the ALSA section of firefox and not sending them upstream.
[22:15]	oiaohm	So Telemetry on end users was saying no one using and patches being submitted were saying no one using.
[22:16]	oiaohm	Its one of the reasons I get annoyed when I see distributions having patches on packages that have never been submitted upstream.  Heck it fine it fails and has to be submitted a few times.   That way the upstream knows the usage case exists.
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[22:21]	MinceR	(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZsXR7ILWs
[22:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTube
[22:24]	schestowitz	[21:41] <smnthermes> > So if you want to be counted: turn Telemetry on (its in the Preferences) and leave it on
[22:24]	schestowitz	Yes, I said something to that effect when he published that
[22:25]	DaemonFC[m]	Hard pass.
[22:25]	schestowitz	they also used surveillance to crush rss support
[22:25]	schestowitz	so much for data and 'science'
[22:25]	schestowitz	self-selecting idiots
[22:25]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz This library and the contact tracing thing bothers me a lot.
[22:25]	DaemonFC[m]	Hear me out.
[22:25]	schestowitz	people who use rss are probably clever enough to leave "telemetry" OF
[22:25]	schestowitz	*OFF
[22:26]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: ok, but I am very busy right now
[22:26]	XRevan86	MinceR: The ending's great.
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[22:26]	DaemonFC[m]	So, courts have repeatedly ruled that you have a Fourth Amendment right to privacy from the government and a Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate yourself when communicating with a government agency that can charge you with a crime or have you charged with one.
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[22:27]	XRevan86	MinceR: Except I'd pick Karelia, not Sweden, because Finland is a part of Russia or something.
[22:27]	MinceR	:>
[22:27]	DaemonFC[m]	So how does "mandatory" contact tracing work? It violates your right to privacy, freedom of movement, and to not incriminate yourself.
[22:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Since the Health Department can charge you with a crime under the health code, you have a Fifth Amendment right to hang up the phone or to tell them no thank you if they show up and want to talk
[22:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Same as if they were the police.
[22:28]	schestowitz	you don't get a 'phone'
[22:28]	schestowitz	simple
[22:28]	DaemonFC[m]	They can't put a bug on your phone's GPS without going to a court and getting a warrant specifically about you.
[22:28]	schestowitz	"can we trace you?"
[22:28]	XRevan86	https://media.karelia.pro/29/15e63dc8d7503c33e5e7ecb4a7653403.jpg there's a house being sold there, perfect
[22:28]	schestowitz	"sure"
[22:29]	schestowitz	buy me a Samsung S1000000
[22:29]	DaemonFC[m]	I mean, you have a constitutional right to tell them to go away and then hang up the phone.
[22:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Because they're government agents with law enforcement powers.
[22:29]	schestowitz	anyway,bbl
[22:30]	DaemonFC[m]	I wouldn't cooperate with contact tracing. Half of all Americans say they wouldn't.
[22:30]	DaemonFC[m]	So it's not a surprise that it's not doing anything except costing money.
[22:31]	DaemonFC[m]	That lawyer on the don't talk to the police video on youtube said he had a client who said the IRS is here and they just have a few questions about my taxes.
[22:32]	DaemonFC[m]	He said tell them you'll only talk in exchange for immunity.
[22:32]	DaemonFC[m]	And he never heard from them again.
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[22:34]	XRevan86	> The majority of Russian Karelians are Eastern Orthodox Christians. The majority of Finnish Karelians are Lutherans.
[22:34]	XRevan86	> Significant enclaves of Karelians exist in the Tver oblast of Russia, resettled after Russia's defeat in 1617 against Sweden in order to escape the peril of forced conversion to Lutheranism in Swedish Karelia.
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[22:34]	XRevan86	Makes sense. If it's forced upon the people, then it must be true.
[22:34]	DaemonFC[m]	I might not vote for Governor Pritzker again.
[22:34]	XRevan86	the correct religion that is
[22:35]	XRevan86	I really like that aspect of the descendants of people who had their religion forced upon them.
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[22:35]	DaemonFC[m]	I'm not happy with the Coronavirus restrictions. We're getting slaughtered put here just like red states, only the restrictions are hurting our economy and causing mass unemployment.
[22:35]	DaemonFC[m]	*out
[22:35]	XRevan86	Which is technically pretty much every single religious person out there.
[22:36]	DaemonFC[m]	The virus is out of control same as if we had no mitigation system to speak of.
[22:36]	DaemonFC[m]	I think Indiana handled his as well as is reasonably possible.
[22:36]	DaemonFC[m]	*this
[22:36]	DaemonFC[m]	Mask law. That's about it.
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[22:38]	DaemonFC[m]	The nursing group mom is in on Facebook, nobody is getting he vaccine. None of them trust it.
[22:38]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't trust it.
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[22:38]	DaemonFC[m]	Biden is locked into a system where the virus is full tilt out of control and we're 10 months in on a commitment for a dodgy vaccine that Trump was hoping to steal the election with.
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[22:40]	DaemonFC[m]	I think we need to extend Biden a great deal of patience considering his predecessor's stance that his golfing was more important and just throw the schools open and send the little blighters back in there.
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[22:41]	tr_guest|18	why IPFS and not Freenet?
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[22:46]	schestowitz	tr_guest|18: hi
[22:46]	schestowitz	we can add freenet I suppose
[22:47]	schestowitz	have not looked into it, we rely on skilled people who can help setup
[22:47]	schestowitz	there's also gopher, gnunet etc.
[22:47]	schestowitz	countless options, some a tiny niche
[22:47]	schestowitz	ipfs gives us at least _one_ fallback that's d-web
[22:48]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: I got complaining emails about your Biden ravings
[22:48]	schestowitz	calling you RIAAn
[22:48]	schestowitz	but not "a Ryan"
[22:48]	schestowitz	we have also published a bunch of things inc. http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/the-pardon-train/
[22:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | But at Least Hes Not Donald Trump or George Bush | Techrights
[22:48]	schestowitz	Biden is no ally of ours
[22:48]	schestowitz	I'm glad he'll replace Trump
[22:49]	schestowitz	but I don't like or trust him
[22:49]	schestowitz	they cheated proper candidates
[22:49]	schestowitz	Mayor and Bloomberg (the OTHER Mayor) rigged it for Biden
[22:49]	schestowitz	by dropping out and urging supporters, after wasting lots of their corporate money, to back Biden
[22:49]	schestowitz	so it was sort of rigged all along
[22:50]	schestowitz	money BUYS the presidential candidates
[22:50]	schestowitz	so nothing is changing
[22:50]	schestowitz	under Biden the depression will deepen
[22:50]	schestowitz	not really his fault that Trump did nothing re corona
[22:50]	schestowitz	like Obama dealt with Bush wars and financial collapse
[22:50]	XRevan86	The US democracy hinges on the two parties doing the right thing, but they're not actually accountable to much by law.
[22:50]	schestowitz	Your country is still in the ditch, unless you're one of the Bloombergs and Gateses
[22:50]	schestowitz	to them it's FANTASTIC
[22:51]	schestowitz	The Murican Dream
[22:51]	schestowitz	The workers will get cheaper and easier for them to exploit
[22:51]	schestowitz	XRevan86: sort of like Russia, but different
[22:51]	schestowitz	In Russia I hardly hear about "two parties"
[22:52]	schestowitz	there's just benevolent dictator for life
[22:52]	schestowitz	and a bunch of satellite "parties"
[22:52]	schestowitz	which you can identify by tracking political arrests
[22:52]	XRevan86	schestowitz: There's The Party, the spoiler parties, the quasi-opposition and the outlaws.
[22:52]	schestowitz	We have about 5 "major" parties
[22:53]	schestowitz	inc. the local ones like Welsh and Scottish
[22:53]	schestowitz	XRevan86: so we still have "kings"
[22:53]	schestowitz	we still have a queen, formally
[22:53]	XRevan86	United Russia, e.g. The Growth Party, e.g. the Communist Party, e.g. the Russia of the Future Party
[22:53]	schestowitz	but tbh, seeing MinceR's absurdistan, trumpland and Russia I'm relieved we're nowhere as bad, for now...
[22:54]	schestowitz	No active groups calling for armed revolution like FARC or NPA either
[22:54]	schestowitz	The US still has Trump backers
[22:54]	schestowitz	they will still be aggressive and now feel blessed by "former President"
[22:55]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Still FPTP, which is probably how the tories manage to stay afloat.
[22:55]	schestowitz	Ariadne should still pursue migration to .nl imho
[22:55]	schestowitz	the Trumpsters are still there
[22:55]	XRevan86	Because, as always, the conservatives are consolidated and loyal
[22:55]	schestowitz	and they're not hiding their faces, physically or metaphorically
[22:55]	schestowitz	they feel "mainstream" now, "quiet majority"
[22:55]	XRevan86	which FPTP considers the winning strategy
[22:56]	schestowitz	Fiel protocol transfer protocol
[22:56]	XRevan86	First-past-the-post voting
[22:56]	schestowitz	:-)
[22:56]	schestowitz	brb
[22:56]	schestowitz	need to check up on something
[22:56]	schestowitz	But at Least He's Not Donald #Trump or #GeorgeBush ... http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/the-pardon-train/ #biden #us #liberty
[22:57]	schestowitz	Inside the #EPO During Corona: A New Series About the European Patent Office During European Lock-downs http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/inside-the-epo-lock-downs/ #covid19 #europe #patents #swpats
[22:57]	schestowitz	Inside the EPO During Corona: The Management of the European #Patent Office Was (Fore)Warned About Exploiting a Public Health Crisis http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/health-crisis-exploited-to-harm-health/ #covid19 #europe #patents #swpats
[22:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | But at Least Hes Not Donald Trump or George Bush | Techrights
[22:57]	schestowitz
[22:57]	schestowitz	Inside the #EPO During Corona: Like #BenotBattistelli #AntnioCampinos Leaves Out Staff Representation Out of Consultation Regarding Unprecedented #Health Crisis Which Impacts Staff http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/no-epo-leadership/
[22:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the EPO During Corona: A New Series About the European Patent Office During European Lock-downs | Techrights
[22:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the EPO During Corona: The Management of the European Patent Office Was (Fore)Warned About Exploiting a Public Health Crisis | Techrights
[22:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the EPO During Corona: Like Benot Battistelli, Antnio Campinos Leaves Out Staff Representation Out of Consultation Regarding Unprecedented Health Crisis Which Impacts Staff | Techrights
[22:57]	XRevan86	It's a bit of an ide fixe for me, because it's just one basic aspect that affects how democracy works a very big lot.
[22:57]	schestowitz	(might increasingly publish articles anonymously in months to come, it's better that way)
[22:58]	XRevan86	without voter fraud, roundabouts or other specifics
[22:59]	XRevan86	or voter suppression
● Nov 09
[23:00]	XRevan86	which is what Trump's desperately trying to do post-factum right now
[23:01]	XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carousel_voting#In_Russia
[23:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Carousel voting - Wikipedia
[23:01]	XRevan86	"According to critics, the activity has been allegedly used in Russia since Vladimir Putin came to power in 2000."
[23:01]	XRevan86	"According to critics", "allegedly" oh my god
[23:02]	oiaohm	schestowitz: tr_guest|18: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer_web_hosting   There are not really many choices   freenet is lowest performing.    The maintained are Freenet, IPFS, Zeronet and dat.    Osiris, Maelstrom and Blockstack are basically dead.     peerweb.site is the new on on the block don't know if that will last or not.
[23:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Peer-to-peer web hosting - Wikipedia
[23:03]	DaemonFC[m]	I got a message on Reddit.
[23:03]	DaemonFC[m]	From someone in Romania.
[23:03]		*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/HcqXWApURIRulPfIOylTUKYr/message.txt >
[23:06]	DaemonFC[m]	I replied,
[23:06]	XRevan86	https://facebook.com/nikol.pashinyan/posts/2807204759599901 oh, it's over
[23:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-m.facebook.com | , ... - Nikol Pashinyan / | Facebook
[23:06]		*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gUsGkcRSkdsHFdHFLGCkShqZ/message.txt >
[23:08]	DaemonFC[m]	I was looking at those robot vacuum cleaner things.
[23:09]	DaemonFC[m]	They still seem to be a complete waste of money.
[23:09]	oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: that yogo issue is part them and part  Intel Rapid Storage Technology.   Intel never has implemented in Linux the means to use the Intel RST form where the ssd is a cache to the harddrive.
[23:09]	oiaohm	or cache to other things.
[23:09]	DaemonFC[m]	You have to clean them out. They don't clean carpet well. They can throw themselves down the stairs and run over dog shit and smear it everywhere they go.
[23:09]	DaemonFC[m]	All for just $400 wow.
[23:10]	oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: yes removing the direct storage access was a intel recomendation.
[23:11]	oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: Lenovo and Intel created mess.   There are other examples where it was only Lenovo.
[23:12]	DaemonFC[m]	The SSD isn't caching anything.
[23:12]	DaemonFC[m]	There's no hard disk.
[23:16]	schestowitz	[23:09] <DaemonFC[m]> They still seem to be a complete waste of money.
[23:16]	oiaohm	Hidden shader cache and other things.
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[23:16]	schestowitz	If your money and time are worthless you get "Smart"
[23:16]	schestowitz	and then notifications take up all your time
[23:16]	schestowitz	(and money)
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[23:16]	schestowitz	the old and traditional way might not impress your fake 'friends'
[23:16]	oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: basically there is a complete mode/modes of the Intel RST Linux kernel does not support and windows fresh of disc does not support.
[23:17]	schestowitz	but you don't get industrial-grade robots
[23:17]	schestowitz	even billionaires employ maids and such
[23:17]	schestowitz	"housekeepers"
[23:17]	schestowitz	not robots
[23:17]	schestowitz	like a 2-pound piece of plastic and metal
[23:17]	schestowitz	that 'cleans'... whatever.
[23:18]	oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: of course those modes are not documented by Intel either so third parties cannot write implementations.
[23:18]	oiaohm	Its a two to tango thing.
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[23:23]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/news/2020/11/10/armenian-prime-minister-announces-painful-russia-brokered-truce-with-azerbaijan-in-nagorno-karabakh instead of Facebook in Armenian above
[23:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE
[23:23]	XRevan86	https://youtu.be/JbVFEkaXN98 and now this is happening
[23:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-. - YouTube
[23:23]	XRevan86	Protests in Armenia
[23:25]	schestowitz	vZS1: http://anweshadas.in/how-to-use-yubikey-or-any-gpg-smartcard-in-thunderbird-78/
[23:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anweshadas.in | How to use Yubikey or any GPG smartcard in Thunderbird 78
[23:25]	schestowitz	just now
[23:27]	vZS1	Lovely
[23:29]	vZS1	I've noticed something of much concern while I was doing some digging through TR coverage on a topic. I'll send you an email about it.
[23:29]	schestowitz	cheers
[23:29]	vZS1	Too tired now though
[23:30]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What is a System-on-Chip (SoC), and Why Do We Care if They are Open Source? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144187 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ad640297-a2d3-4dad-9f27-590d5d022647]
[23:34]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144188 [https://pleroma.site/objects/97a6d2c9-7a32-43a9-9b3c-aa56de3c256d]
[23:36]	schestowitz	https://fedoramagazine.org/getting-started-with-stratis-encryption/
[23:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Getting started with Stratis encryption - Fedora Magazine
[23:42]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LiVES Video Editor 3.2.0 Released with Tons of New Features [PPA] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144189 [https://pleroma.site/objects/effe6785-3b10-4afd-b2a5-974d6678e6f9]
[23:44]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Brodie Robertson, This Week in Linux,L inux in the Ham Shack, and Python Bytes Podcast http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144190 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a462338c-3a1b-41d6-924d-95984d59ee8c]
[23:46]	schestowitz	from mozilla to bezos  https://www.bitstampede.com/2020/11/09/amazon-wins-sheppy/
[23:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bitstampede.com | Amazon Wins Sheppy Bit Stampede
[23:47]	MinceR	https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/02/3e588e28952ad399.jpg
[23:53]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Juno Computers Neptune 15, Tenderfoot Tactics, Civilization VI, FlightGear and Counter-Strike http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144192 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1c20ed54-45c9-4aca-b845-95e75bf9fa2f]
[23:54]	schestowitz	MinceR: 100-milligram meteor
[23:55]	MinceR	:>
[23:55]	MinceR	at relativistic speed
[23:56]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Meet Giara, a New #Reddit App for the Linux Desktop, Written in GTK http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144191 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #News by @MariusNestor [https://pleroma.site/objects/6cd031f3-1269-45e5-809f-6ae850db9193]
[23:56]	schestowitz	comets can cut deep hole through soil (or people)
[23:57]	schestowitz	i'd like to hear what happened to people hit directly by comets
[23:57]	schestowitz	(but not to see it)
[23:57]	schestowitz	"Space is beautiful! Just get out of its fucking way, mannnnn!"
[23:58]	DaemonFC[m]	CNN: President Trump is beginning to come to grips with the reality that he will lose the election, a Trump adviser said based on conversations inside the campaign and with the President.
[23:58]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump sees a path to losing, the adviser said.
[23:58]	DaemonFC[m]	He has already begun to discuss with aides the prospect of running in 2024, as CNN reported last week.
[23:58]	schestowitz	He is running already
[23:58]	schestowitz	running
[23:58]	schestowitz	"run, Trump, run"
[23:58]	schestowitz	to Finland
[23:59]	schestowitz	https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/19/finns-aghast-that-trump-could-think-their-country-is-part-of-russia
[23:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Finns aghast that Trump could think their country is part of Russia | US news | The Guardian
[23:59]	DaemonFC[m]	Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance.
[23:59]	schestowitz	divorce also
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