●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, November 08, 2020 ●● ● Nov 08 [00:00] schestowitz *tier [00:00] schestowitz typo there [00:00] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: your vote, your choice [00:00] CrystalMath have fun with covid restrictions [00:00] schestowitz Aryan isn't even well defined [00:00] schestowitz we still call many people here Saxons and Saxony is in Germany [00:00] schestowitz where our so-called royals partly come from, in the ancestry sense [00:01] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: there are 71 million (and counting) adults in your country who think like Rump and CrystalMath [00:01] schestowitz some are even ON crystal meth [00:01] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Looks like the prosecutor that filed the charges against me is on the way out. [00:01] CrystalMath schestowitz: i don't really think we're all alike [00:01] DaemonFC[m] So I was very eager to vote, you know. [00:02] DaemonFC[m] For the other guy. [00:02] CrystalMath schestowitz: some of them are actually pretty hostile to libertarianism [00:02] CrystalMath i'm not socially conservative, at all [00:02] oiaohm We know trump when he got voted in there was levels of ellection fraud in his camp and people even got procecuted for it. [00:02] schestowitz [18:49] definitely a strong push towards anarcho-primitivism [00:02] CrystalMath yes [00:02] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: You think I should send him a note that says "You're fired." after the final results are in? [00:02] schestowitz Unabomber is only a few steps away [00:02] CrystalMath yes, Dr. Theodore Kaczynski [00:02] CrystalMath i believe i mentioned him earlier [00:03] schestowitz you seem to respect him [00:03] schestowitz but then again, Trump and all... [00:03] oiaohm So if trump has lost to a person doing ellection fraud I would call it fair because he got in that way as well. [00:03] schestowitz Bannon wanted to put heads on pikes. [00:03] schestowitz Got nuked from Twitter [00:03] schestowitz wanted Fauci's head on a pike [00:03] CrystalMath well i think that what he did was terrible and couldn't have possibly worked, and probably backfired too [00:03] schestowitz beheading health officials... a new low [00:03] CrystalMath but i think the unabomber was right in principle, that is, his paper is really good [00:03] CrystalMath Industrial Society and its Future [00:03] schestowitz lol [00:04] schestowitz ok... oohhhh kay [00:04] CrystalMath i'm anti-technology, especially the most modern stuff [00:04] schestowitz forest dwellers that eat rabbits aren't the solution [00:04] schestowitz cybrNaut: you use tech to type [00:05] CrystalMath Dr. Kaczynski said that the technology that's bad is the one that requires massive organizing in order to use [00:05] CrystalMath that would include the internet, then [00:05] CrystalMath but not typewriters [00:06] MinceR so you can build a typewriter at home? [00:06] CrystalMath i can try [00:06] schestowitz [00:05] Dr. Kaczynski said that the technology that's bad is the one that requires massive organizing in order to use [00:06] CrystalMath it sounds tedious [00:06] CrystalMath i hgae one [00:06] CrystalMath *have [00:06] schestowitz Good thing your "doctor" made bombs with lumber and water :-) [00:06] schestowitz and not some "tech" [00:07] CrystalMath if you can build it at home, it's not bad tech [00:07] CrystalMath only it's a bomb, so it IS bad :P [00:07] CrystalMath but for a different reason [00:07] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Mom kept dismissing me over the years when I said Trump would be a one term president and most people didn't want him in the first place. [00:07] DaemonFC[m] Then she was like "Well, you needed a pacifier 4 years ago when he won." I said, "Hold on, it's probably in one of these boxes. Seems you need it more.". [00:07] schestowitz he goes [00:07] schestowitz covid stays [00:07] schestowitz superspreader [00:08] CrystalMath schestowitz: another thing that shocked me lately is that they're gonna kill 15 million minks in denmark; also apparently denmark farms as many as 15 million poor minks just for their fur [00:08] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: alongside gonad's viagra pack [00:08] DaemonFC[m] Ouch [00:08] schestowitz CrystalMath: yes, an open secret [00:08] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, he voted for Trump last time too, right before he died. [00:09] schestowitz techrights.org/2016/10/12/epo-dkpto-danish-stories-index/ [00:09] schestowitz big business for their gov. [00:09] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2016/10/12/epo-dkpto-danish-stories-index/ [00:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index: Our Jesper Kongstad Series of Danish Stories | Techrights [00:09] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: kamikaze voters [00:10] *schestowitz waits for conspiracy theory about how china engineered covid to kill of trump voters for 2020 [00:10] schestowitz Trump: CHOOOOYNA did it! [00:10] CrystalMath i don't think Trump voters died [00:10] MinceR yeah, they're immune to SARS-CoV-2 [00:11] schestowitz many covid deniers were trump voters [00:11] CrystalMath 99% of the people are immune to the virus [00:11] MinceR first the virions go to the cranial cavity [00:11] vZS1 Shh [00:11] schestowitz and his base is older [00:11] MinceR if they find no brain, they leave without infecting [00:11] MinceR thus Agent Orange's supporters are spared [00:11] schestowitz [00:11] 99% of the people are immune to the virus [00:11] vZS1 Nobody, NOBODY, has been harder on China than he has [00:11] schestowitz good [00:11] CrystalMath no it's just that only 1.5 million died of the virus in the whole world [00:11] CrystalMath it can't really make an impact [00:11] schestowitz so immunity now means nothing [00:12] CrystalMath only 200,000 in the entire US [00:12] vZS1 *waves fingers around* [00:12] schestowitz 99.9% of people are immune to car accidents. Yay!!! [00:12] vZS1 I wonder what the Kremlin is doing [00:12] CrystalMath they did find a mutation on the X chromosome that may cause covid worsening [00:13] CrystalMath i think in TLR7 [00:13] vZS1 Hoping for Ivanka 2024? [00:13] schestowitz Ivan-kaka 2020 [00:13] schestowitz High achiever [00:13] MinceR everyone currently alive is immortal. for now... [00:13] schestowitz born rich, got award from the Internet Society to suck up (lobby) to the dictator [00:14] schestowitz because nobody did more for the Internet than Ivan-kaka [00:14] schestowitz move over, Vint Cerf [00:14] schestowitz 'kaka is coming [00:14] MinceR hnnng [00:14] CrystalMath Jo Jorgensen <3 [00:14] schestowitz unlike bill gates, she didn't need mom (ivana) to get a deal with IBM [00:14] CrystalMath for president 2024! [00:15] MinceR you'd need to get rid of the two-party system for that [00:15] CrystalMath it was slightly buckled under Trump, who was an independent for the most part [00:15] MinceR ah yes, the old "independent" lie [00:16] MinceR let me guess, he magically turned mike pants into an "independent" too? [00:16] CrystalMath how is he not independent? he has a history of supporting abortion [00:16] CrystalMath a republican [00:16] CrystalMath no, Mike Pence sits there and attracts the religious nutjob votes [00:16] CrystalMath he's like a magnet [00:16] schestowitz indiana [00:16] schestowitz swing state [00:17] schestowitz "Vote local" [00:17] schestowitz anyway [00:17] schestowitz irc logs generated [00:17] schestowitz will link in morning [00:18] vZS1 schestowitz: don't know if you saw but I pinged you in one of the other channels. [00:18] oiaohm CrystalMath: the claim that 99% of people are immune to the virus is known to be false . Cruise ship results say about 85% of the population will not have a strong enough immune system to not be infected with enough exposure. [00:18] CrystalMath oiaohm: by immune i mean it will pass through them without issues [00:18] oiaohm That is not true either. [00:19] oiaohm About 20 percent have long term sideeffect that have had the virus. [00:19] MinceR plus that's not what "immune" means [00:19] CrystalMath oiaohm: bullcrap [00:19] oiaohm About 1 percent die. [00:19] CrystalMath MinceR: yes, yes, but i had to exaggerate it a little [00:19] oiaohm The virus creates blood clots. [00:19] oiaohm That cuases nice set of long term issues. [00:20] oiaohm Of course we are not sure at this stage if all that 20 percent who are still alive will 100 percent recover. [00:20] CrystalMath i say bullcrap because a lot of people who've had it are just fine [00:20] CrystalMath i'm fairly i could count up at least 10 who are all fine [00:20] CrystalMath that i personally know of [00:21] CrystalMath that were actually found to be positive [00:21] CrystalMath not to mention that these is 100% of the people i know that were infected [00:21] CrystalMath *this is [00:22] CrystalMath i don't know anyone who has long-term consequences or has died [00:22] MinceR wow, what a sample size [00:22] MinceR everybody, stop the scientific research [00:22] CrystalMath look with 20%, at this crazy high infection rate [00:22] MinceR CrystalMath sees it all, in a sample size of 10 [00:22] schestowitz I know some who died of covid19 [00:22] CrystalMath it's impossible that none of us know [00:22] schestowitz even relatively young, like 60 and healthy [00:22] CrystalMath that's sad and unfortunate [00:22] schestowitz and some who just barely survived [00:22] schestowitz now scarred [00:23] CrystalMath lung fibrosis? [00:23] MinceR i don't know why anyone learns any profession anymore, when we have oracles available online who know better than everyone [00:23] CrystalMath MinceR: i'm just calling bullcrap on the 20% figure [00:23] schestowitz who respect unabomber :-) [00:23] CrystalMath there's just no way [00:23] schestowitz and trump [00:23] MinceR CrystalMath: yeah, totally proven [00:23] CrystalMath i'm sure it happens [00:23] CrystalMath maybe if i knew 100 people, there would be 2 [00:23] CrystalMath who have had serious consequences [00:24] MinceR we have someone else call bullcrap on a figure from the other direction and we have an exact number [00:24] oiaohm CrystalMath: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/risk-comms-updates/update-36-long-term-symptoms.pdf the 20% numbers are not crap. [00:24] MinceR CrystalMath: that's not how probability works [00:24] CrystalMath oiaohm: try a real scientific paper [00:24] CrystalMath not the WHO, which claimed that it's not transmissible between people [00:25] oiaohm CrystalMath: that is based off a real scientific paper. [00:25] CrystalMath i'll try to find that one [00:25] oiaohm Just because its a real scientific paper does not mean it cannot be wrong. WHO early claim was based off a real paper as well. [00:26] schestowitz it didn't claim that [00:26] oiaohm But it was not that it was not possible to pass between people at all. That the spread vectors was not as effective. [00:26] schestowitz WHO is corrupt some of the time, but that does not change the seriousness of covid [00:27] schestowitz also, just because many people profit from it doesn't mean they conspired to spread or create it [00:27] schestowitz it can be true at the same time that WHO is corrupt, the rich get richer from covid, and covid isn't man-made and is at the same time very lethal [00:27] oiaohm Australia studies match the 20% long term effects as well. And we are not sure how bad those long term will be. [00:27] schestowitz but the conspiracy minds are wired like toys [00:27] schestowitz so to them all correlations are causal in nature [00:28] oiaohm Humans can function with quite a bit wrong. [00:28] schestowitz and so if WHO says X, the opposite is true [00:28] schestowitz and to some people everything trump says must be false [00:28] schestowitz even if based on grains of truth [00:28] schestowitz oiaohm: germany stufied cardiac effects [00:28] schestowitz and it was very grim [00:29] schestowitz not even studying the lung tissue [00:30] oiaohm schestowitz: https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-10-21/coronavirus-covid-19-effects-on-the-heart/12795726 USA Australia Germany all studied the same thing with Cardiac. [00:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abc.net.au | COVID-19's effects on the heart: Here's what we know so far - ABC News [00:31] oiaohm Horrible it says you have Covid-19 you can appear to walk away fine but be in fact leaving with long term heart damage that we are not sure if it will keep on progressing or not. [00:31] oiaohm So Covid-19 might kill you like 20 years after you had it. [00:31] CrystalMath okay i ended up lazying out and reading the WHO paper [00:32] CrystalMath so the whole idea of not-highly-affected patients suffering from long term consequences [00:32] CrystalMath apparently comes from studies done on SARS-CoV-1 [00:32] CrystalMath that's not empirical evidence of danger, it's just scaring people [00:32] oiaohm We have been seeing SARS-CoV-2 match up when you check for the markers. [00:32] CrystalMath at least, and i thank them for this... they named the disease COVID and not SARS2 [00:33] oiaohm COVID is the 2 [00:33] CrystalMath naming it SARS2 would be an extreme spread of FUD [00:34] MinceR yes, doing things the logical way is now "FUD" [00:34] oiaohm SARS-CoV-2 is the formal name of the virus. [00:34] CrystalMath it's not logical, because it's barely a fraction of the danger of SARS [00:34] CrystalMath yes but the disease [00:34] CrystalMath is called COVID [00:35] MinceR no, it is not [00:35] CrystalMath and that's what we're saying to people [00:35] MinceR it's called COVID-19 [00:35] oiaohm The disease has the place holder name COVID-19 [00:35] MinceR still a placeholder? [00:35] oiaohm Its still a place holder. [00:35] MinceR it would be logical that if SARS-CoV-1 causes SARS, then SARS-CoV-2 causes SARS2 [00:35] oiaohm Its like how HIV had a place holder for a long time. [00:36] CrystalMath we have not seen evidence of SARS-CoV-2 causing anywhere near the destruction of SARS-CoV-1 [00:36] oiaohm SARS-CoV-2 has a higher kill percentage than SARS-CoV-1 to start off with. [00:36] oiaohm So it is a more dangerous virus. [00:37] CrystalMath are you sure? i thought the consensus was that SARS-CoV-1 has a 10% death rate [00:37] CrystalMath and a 40% rate of causing the severe form of the illness [00:37] MinceR i thought it was better at spreading and worse at causing damag [00:37] CrystalMath i'd say that's pretty nasty [00:37] MinceR e [00:38] oiaohm To be correct untreated kill rate. [00:38] CrystalMath well perhaps (my theory) treatment doesn't really help much [00:38] oiaohm With SARS-CoV-2 we started with some medical knowledge form the first virus on treatments. [00:38] CrystalMath mostly because it's symptomatic (except in the case of hydroxychloroquine but that might not work) [00:39] oiaohm hydrosychloroquine in fact does not work,. [00:39] CrystalMath remdesivir is another example of a virus-targetting drug [00:39] CrystalMath but that also might not work [00:40] oiaohm Its the different physical intervention things like draining lungs of fulid at the start of Sars the first one that was though to be a wrong move and was not done. [00:40] oiaohm Those errors massively increased death rate. [00:40] oiaohm for sars and lowed it for covid-19. [00:41] oiaohm Without medical treatment covid-19 is the more dangerous one. [00:42] CrystalMath https://www.news-medical.net/health/How-does-SARS-CoV-2-Compare-to-SARS-CoV.aspx [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.news-medical.net | How does SARS-CoV-2 Compare to SARS-CoV? [00:42] CrystalMath it would seem that people who NEED hospitalization is quite different [00:42] CrystalMath 70% vs. 20% [00:42] CrystalMath that's significant [00:42] CrystalMath but i actually doubt the 20% figure, because [00:43] CrystalMath i personally know people who have had contact with someone positive [00:43] CrystalMath and got sick [00:43] CrystalMath and got a fever [00:43] CrystalMath and never reported this [00:43] CrystalMath it's safe to assume this happens a lot [00:43] CrystalMath lots of people have had covid that you just don't know [00:43] CrystalMath and obviously they didn't need treatment [00:43] CrystalMath if they did, they'd have to admit they're sick [00:43] oiaohm Transmissibility R0 is the big problem the numbers there are wrong. [00:43] CrystalMath and you'd know about it [00:43] oiaohm with covid-19 its soemwhere between 0 to 70+ days. [00:44] CrystalMath an incubation period of 70 days? [00:44] CrystalMath i call bullcrap [00:44] oiaohm That was documented in the USA> [00:44] CrystalMath (and i still call bullcrap on the 20% figure) [00:44] CrystalMath simply because i know of many unaccounted for cases [00:45] CrystalMath our officials particularly suck at contact tracing [00:45] oiaohm Sars also turned out to have a lot of unaccount cases but that not important when something has a short cycle of infection. [00:45] MinceR our government decided simply to not do contact tracing [00:45] MinceR they said "you can't stop the pandemic with contact tracing" [00:46] oiaohm Because those people get well and don't come a spreading source. [00:46] MinceR earlier they said "you can't stop the pandemic with testing" [00:46] oiaohm Sars did not require heavy contact tracing as much to kill it off. [00:46] MinceR and that masks only make you more likely to be infected [00:47] CrystalMath MinceR: yeah but Orban is nasty to LGBT people :( [00:47] oiaohm Australia is using sewage testing to locate covd-19 cases due to how long people can be infected and spreading with no symtoms. [00:49] MinceR CrystalMath: orban is nasty to pretty much everyone [00:49] schestowitz except the boss [00:51] oiaohm CrystalMath: https://www.livescience.com/woman-sheds-infectious-coronavirus-70-days.html do note that is at least 70 days infection spreading. Its 70 days from when she was detected infected and spreading. [00:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.livescience.com | Woman with COVID-19 sheds infectious virus for a record 70 days | Live Science [00:51] oiaohm Yes no symtoms. [00:51] CrystalMath ah, not onset to symptoms, but asymptomatic [00:51] CrystalMath okay [00:51] CrystalMath yes i believe that, not bullcrap [00:51] vZS1 > and that masks only make you more likely to be infected [00:51] oiaohm That makes covid-19 a lot larger problem. [00:52] CrystalMath well that's a pretty good virus [00:52] vZS1 Now that's just daft [00:52] CrystalMath vZS1: i know, it's bullcrap, but funny :P [00:52] oiaohm Also the fact that its documented the human body will forgot what covid-19 is so you can get infected more than once. [00:53] oiaohm If they virus sticks around long enough. [00:53] CrystalMath again, that sounds like a pretty nice virus [00:53] CrystalMath it just enters, duplicates, and spreads [00:53] CrystalMath no issues [00:54] CrystalMath there's a lot of those [00:54] CrystalMath many are coronaviruses, like, Duvinacovirus [00:54] oiaohm Except 1/5 times you are inffected it does minor damage that could be acculmative. [00:54] CrystalMath then again even that one has been documented to have killed one elderly man [00:54] CrystalMath you just can't save anyone, really... people will die no matter what [00:55] CrystalMath what you can do is make their short lives valuable [00:55] oiaohm Result could be shorter lifespans long term. [00:55] CrystalMath but not shown to be [00:55] CrystalMath it's just a possibility [00:56] CrystalMath the paper you linked to says we don't really know [00:56] CrystalMath and i believe people when they say they don't know [00:56] oiaohm As I said could be. [00:56] oiaohm We know so much but we don;'t know it all yet. [00:56] oiaohm The damage from the infection is known. [00:57] oiaohm How well it will repair and what the effects of getting hit more than once are well will find out in future. [00:57] oiaohm Now it might be a good thing to reduce the number of people who have to find out in future now. [00:58] CrystalMath i have not been able to find a documented case of mild covid-19 causing lasting damage [00:59] CrystalMath also a lot of things might be a good thing [00:59] CrystalMath it might be a good thing to buy everyone a pony [00:59] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: It sucks having Mandy's second language be English. [00:59] CrystalMath but the cost matters [00:59] CrystalMath things don't fall from sky [00:59] DaemonFC[m] Jokes go right over him. [00:59] oiaohm UK has a few cases of people with perfect hearts before covid-19 but with damage after that is are classed as not repairable. [00:59] CrystalMath oiaohm: was it asymptomatic/mild covid-19? [00:59] DaemonFC[m] The radio station is playing Creep by Radiohead. ● Nov 08 [01:00] DaemonFC[m] I said, "You know, if we had gone to Sofa King to get the couch during a sale it would be a Sofa King special.". [01:00] DaemonFC[m] He just stares blankly at me. [01:00] oiaohm CrystalMath: yes one was a doctor who is no longer able to be a doctor he was asymptomatic other than have a heart condition from no where. [01:00] oiaohm Then virus. [01:00] oiaohm detected. [01:01] oiaohm It was what started the research into that covid-19 could have long term issues. [01:01] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I suggested these iFD air filter things to mom for her nursing home. [01:01] DaemonFC[m] They have a germs setting that traps the germs. [01:01] CrystalMath oiaohm: is there evidence that the virus did it? [01:02] oiaohm CrystalMath: from the dead cell material yes. [01:02] CrystalMath maybe the heart condition was there all along, hmm [01:02] CrystalMath so they opened him up to do a biopsy? [01:03] oiaohm Particular biopsy you don't need to open up to get from the heart. The though blood vessle stuff for treating heart problems. [01:03] oiaohm But yes it biospy [01:03] vZS1 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/companies-house-urges-all-companies-to-sign-up-for-email-reminders [01:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Companies House urges all companies to sign up for email reminders - GOV.UK [01:04] oiaohm Lot of covid-19 long term symtoms match symtoms of comporised heart. [01:06] oiaohm It also asks the question how many people do we have dieing from heart and other conditions that are really caused by viruses we are letting spread non controlled. [01:08] schestowitz [00:59] schestowitz: It sucks having Mandy's second language be English. [01:08] schestowitz at least he speaks multiple languages. Can you? [01:08] CrystalMath okay so apparently myocarditis due to the virus actually entering the cells, hmm [01:09] CrystalMath but you know even influenza can do this [01:09] schestowitz vZS1: greenwashing [01:09] schestowitz less services, same price, no hard copies [01:09] schestowitz "coz cov" [01:09] schestowitz some utility companies are attempting the same now [01:09] vZS1 I print out paper copies of important emails [01:10] CrystalMath i love paper too [01:10] schestowitz you need to make special requests to keep hard copies coming [01:10] schestowitz or pay extra [01:10] CrystalMath can't put DRM on paper [01:10] XRevan86 schestowitz: I can! [01:10] CrystalMath at least not regular paper [01:10] CrystalMath with regular ink [01:10] schestowitz vZS1: tell them you don't have emails [01:10] schestowitz they can carry on sending those [01:10] schestowitz for those who are exceptional [01:11] schestowitz just need to find their secret routes [01:11] schestowitz like they have Braille needs [01:11] vZS1 I'll have to look into it [01:11] vZS1 Don't want to lose my paper mail [01:11] schestowitz there's always "a way" [01:12] schestowitz they just hide it or don't make it easy [01:12] schestowitz vZS1: they always say it's your benefit [01:12] schestowitz same with "smart meters" [01:12] MinceR CrystalMath: you could print DRM-encrusted data in the form of QR-like codes, barcodes or even base64 or digits [01:12] schestowitz because "smart" End of Story [01:12] MinceR the reader would have to have a key to decrypt the data [01:13] CrystalMath MinceR: right, but you can also NOT do that :) [01:13] MinceR you can also NOT do that on most other storage media [01:13] vZS1 Well, technically you don't need the reader the decrypt anything. It would just read and then description can be handled by something else [01:13] vZS1 decryption* [01:13] oiaohm CrystalMath: influenza is tracked and vaccines against to reduce the myocarditis of it. But there are a lot of other viruses we have not been taking seriously. [01:14] oiaohm CrystalMath: basically covid-19 is a good kick up ass in this department. [01:14] CrystalMath oiaohm: except influenza has been doing this for all this time, and we still lived way too long and overpopulated the planet [01:15] schestowitz you support trump [01:15] schestowitz he opposes abortion [01:15] CrystalMath he said he supports abortion in 1990 [01:15] schestowitz and you are happy for a lethal virus to spread to everyone [01:15] oiaohm Our expanding life span does line up with better influenza control in a lot of ways. [01:15] schestowitz so your depopulation plan is rather inhumane and you admit so yourself [01:15] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Trump is a man of his word, yes. [01:16] MinceR well, considering how cruel this depopulation plan is, i'd say it's actually pretty typical of humans :> [01:16] XRevan86 He can change his mind in 30 minutes, but 1990 this he will honour forever. [01:16] oiaohm We would not be as overpopulated if we were not doing controls against influenza. [01:16] MinceR he has a mind? [01:16] CrystalMath oiaohm: precisely my point [01:16] schestowitz trump lobbied and pressured OTHER countries to ban abortion too [01:16] schestowitz using sanctions [01:16] schestowitz and conditions/threats [01:16] XRevan86 MinceR: He has opinions. [01:16] oiaohm But if we want to explore space we do need to expand lifespan. [01:16] schestowitz so much pro-abortion :-D [01:16] MinceR ah. [01:17] vZS1 I do this quite often for when data is too critical to be transported over the internet. The data is encrypted; encrypted data is split up into chunks that can be printed out in something like dot matrix form. Data is delivered physically [01:17] CrystalMath schestowitz: that would be horrible if it were true [01:18] schestowitz three wives later and countless rapes later Trump wanted control over uterus [01:18] XRevan86 MinceR: Or at least it may seem that he has opinions, as it seems they are being generated on the fly :) [01:18] CrystalMath oiaohm: well listen, i probably have lots of damage already, and i'm gonna start smoking [01:18] vZS1 Recipient just scans and reassembles data. Then they decrypt the data after it's been reassembled. [01:18] CrystalMath oiaohm: so you do you what you want, sit in some mountain and live to be 110, i don't care [01:18] CrystalMath just, let me die here in peace [01:19] schestowitz you want to deprive other people of long lives [01:19] schestowitz by extending the reach of a virus [01:19] schestowitz that kills old people disproportionally [01:19] schestowitz and you are young yourself [01:19] MinceR 08 021816 < CrystalMath> oiaohm: well listen, i probably have lots of damage already, and i'm gonna start smoking [01:19] *MinceR calls the fire department [01:19] CrystalMath schestowitz: Trump got it, and didn't die [01:19] schestowitz if you don't want to live long, jump off a bridge [01:19] XRevan86 schestowitz: not just old [01:19] XRevan86 there are other risk groups [01:19] schestowitz don't force 'old' people to die young [01:20] MinceR dump probably got the most expensive treatment available in uhmerica [01:20] schestowitz CrystalMath: $100,000 medical treatment [01:20] CrystalMath MinceR: cigarettes of course [01:20] schestowitz in a country where people lack health coverage [01:20] schestowitz $100,000 medical treatment... for a few days [01:20] CrystalMath i mean i'm the last person who wishes death on old people, i think they're the best people we have [01:20] schestowitz or million plus for weeks in the ward [01:21] schestowitz with VIP treatment [01:21] schestowitz our PM nearly died [01:21] schestowitz in his 50s [01:21] schestowitz best treatment available saved him, it seems [01:21] CrystalMath Boris Johnson? [01:21] schestowitz doesn't scale to almost 70 million Brits [01:21] schestowitz Joris Bonson [01:21] CrystalMath okay, so you're british [01:23] CrystalMath MinceR: i tried to at least passively smoke but it's difficult [01:23] CrystalMath maybe if i try hard enough i'll get into it [01:23] XRevan86 Oh, a masochist [01:24] schestowitz [00:05] Dr. Kaczynski said that the technology that's bad is the one that requires massive organizing in order to use [01:24] CrystalMath schestowitz: yep, he singled out wide-range transportation and communication as particularly evil [01:25] schestowitz so this IRC channel has Microsoft Peter "drpizza" in it [01:25] schestowitz now a Unobomber admirer [01:25] schestowitz *una [01:25] CrystalMath what? [01:25] CrystalMath microsoft pizza? [01:25] *willyg_cos (~willyg_co@96.44.189.195.adsl.inet-telecom.org) has joined #techrights [01:25] schestowitz you're warming up to unsavoury people [01:26] schestowitz like Trump [01:26] schestowitz and worse [01:26] CrystalMath i generally believe the system is bad, and these people are people who agree with me that the system as bad, and want to fix it, even if maybe they don't really know how and make mistakes [01:26] schestowitz Trump is not fixing a bad system [01:26] CrystalMath just because they do things wrong doesn't mean the system is good [01:27] schestowitz eugenics isn't either [01:27] schestowitz terror attacks on company execs isn't fixing things [01:27] schestowitz it increases surveillance [01:27] MinceR CrystalMath: there are plenty of less nutty people who want to fix the system who would fuck up a lot less [01:27] MinceR s/who w/and w/ [01:27] XRevan86 Trump is a catalyst of a system erosion rather than someone who's fixing it. [01:27] MinceR undo [01:27] CrystalMath i never advocate for those bombs, i don't even want to call him the unabomber [01:27] CrystalMath i say Dr. Theodore Kaczynski and his scientific paper [01:27] schestowitz he called himself that [01:28] CrystalMath actually the FBI thought of that [01:28] schestowitz iirc [01:28] CrystalMath it's an acronym [01:28] schestowitz united airlines [01:28] CrystalMath UNiversity and Airline BOMber [01:28] CrystalMath or UNABOM [01:28] CrystalMath the media then expanded the last part into bomber [01:28] CrystalMath so unabomber [01:29] schestowitz bombing professors [01:29] schestowitz like Bannon wants to behead fauci [01:29] schestowitz to make a point [01:29] CrystalMath a scientist and professor recently wrote a BOOK with Dr. Kaczynski! [01:29] schestowitz hope that fat f*** bannon catches covid [01:29] schestowitz and then pikes himself [01:29] CrystalMath he's not treated like a lunatic by the very people he targetted [01:29] CrystalMath which further proves his actions were completely wrong [01:30] schestowitz wrote a K00K with Dr. Kaczynski! [01:30] CrystalMath it's precisely intellectual people who are going to resonate with the idea that society is going in a bad direction [01:30] schestowitz maybe you can do a collab with Hans Reiser when ht gets out [01:30] CrystalMath lol :P [01:30] schestowitz as if to proves that somehow makes chopping nina to pieces "OK" [01:31] schestowitz anyway, gn all [01:31] CrystalMath both me and the professor who write a book with him condemn the actions he did [01:31] CrystalMath goodnight schestowitz [01:31] MinceR probably not with the idea that luddism is the solution [01:31] MinceR gn schestowitz [01:32] CrystalMath MinceR: this professor does [01:32] CrystalMath but not a return to hunter-gatherer societies [01:32] MinceR ah, another nutcase [01:32] CrystalMath but rather, to simpler technology [01:32] CrystalMath the theory is that we become depressed because we've been alienated from the process of our work [01:33] CrystalMath we don't get to actually do something on our own, entirely autonmously [01:33] CrystalMath except in some things, but [01:33] CrystalMath the things that we know truly matter are separated from that [01:33] CrystalMath like food, shelter, clothing, etc.. [01:33] CrystalMath we just go buy it, instead of creating it ourselves [01:33] MinceR in that case, you don't need to break things for other people to change the way you live [01:34] MinceR and we certainly don't need nutcases like kaczynski to plant bombs for that [01:34] CrystalMath indeed, but industrial society would have to make a reserve for us [01:34] CrystalMath sorta like an indian reservation [01:34] CrystalMath and still, would we be free from its surveillance? [01:34] MinceR or you could just change the sort of technology you use and the sort of work you do [01:34] CrystalMath but we want to build everything from scratch [01:35] CrystalMath it's safe to say, that stuff can't be advanced [01:35] CrystalMath it's just extreme DIY [01:35] CrystalMath hmm, you mean live in *this* society and just avoid technology? [01:36] MinceR yes [01:36] CrystalMath well for that, society would have to allow us to somehow get food, shelter, and clothing, but not ask us to use any digital stuff (therefore cash must exist) not be tracked (no RFIDs embedded) .. [01:36] MinceR possibly to live on a farm or something [01:36] MinceR or to move to live with the amish or something [01:36] CrystalMath maybe an amish society... [01:37] CrystalMath yeah it doesn't look like Kaczynski even mentioned them [01:37] CrystalMath i'll reread it [01:37] CrystalMath also, nobody was advocating for bombs [01:38] CrystalMath not even Kaczynski, he said he did it to get attention [01:38] MinceR they just happened [01:38] CrystalMath he already got his attention [01:38] CrystalMath and he succeeded - i read his paper [01:38] MinceR he should have consulted a psychiatrist then [01:38] CrystalMath he couldn't, he was living in the forest [01:38] MinceR blowing stuff up because you're desperate for attention is not sane [01:38] CrystalMath but it was to warn the world [01:39] CrystalMath of the evils of industrial society [01:39] CrystalMath and how technology keeps pushing people out of freedom [01:39] CrystalMath and out of nature [01:39] MinceR he managed to warn the world about his own evils [01:39] CrystalMath which makes them depressed [01:39] CrystalMath people can't be happy without nature and freedom [01:40] MinceR probably depends on the people in question [01:40] MinceR i do like to enjoy nature and insist on being free [01:40] CrystalMath some people think they don't but then wonder why they're depressed [01:40] MinceR but from what i can tell, most people insist on either being oppressed or oppressing others, or even both [01:41] CrystalMath and it's worse - every technology makes us dependent on it [01:42] MinceR you might as well give up, then [01:42] MinceR you're already dependent on every technology [01:42] MinceR therefore you can't afford to get rid of any of it [01:42] CrystalMath well no, anarcho-primitivists talk about something called rewilding [01:43] CrystalMath i still need to read up on that [01:43] MinceR are they so logically inconsistent too? [01:43] CrystalMath i'm sort of new to green ideologies, actually [01:50] DaemonFC[m] Nope. Just English and bad English. [01:50] XRevan86 is no bad english, all english good english [01:56] DaemonFC[m] So what happened to Putin's Russian Troll Farm? [01:57] DaemonFC[m] Was it puttin' along until it petered itself out? Or did Pootie Poot just give up on Trump? [01:57] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: could be, RT wrote badly of Trump ever since the soleimani shooting [01:57] CrystalMath (not that i believe russia actually manipulated US elections) [01:57] DaemonFC[m] Actually, I think he was blown up. [01:58] DaemonFC[m] Was he shot? [01:58] CrystalMath hmm [01:58] DaemonFC[m] I didn't pay much attention. [01:58] CrystalMath maybe it was a rocket [01:58] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: The Prigozhin's troll farm is still there. [01:58] MinceR looks like putler indeed gave up on Agent Orange [01:59] XRevan86 I don't think so, Orange is more beneficial to Putin ● Nov 08 [02:00] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, he threw the US into total chaos. [02:00] DaemonFC[m] Maybe Putin got bored because with COVID-19 we're going to be much too distracted and broke to project much power for years anyway thanks to Trump. [02:00] XRevan86 That and NATO scepticism [02:01] MinceR dump failed to abolish the NATO though [02:01] CrystalMath unfortunately [02:01] DaemonFC[m] Biden's incoming administration is no doubt already pre-writing a bunch of executive orders he can sign right after the swearing in. [02:01] DaemonFC[m] Probably set records for that too. [02:02] CrystalMath i still hope maybe somehow the courts can reverse this [02:02] DaemonFC[m] The first thing, obviously, is to order all of the non-finalized regulations to be frozen until they can be reviewed. [02:02] CrystalMath and Trump can get 4 more years, abolish NATO, and form the United Planet of Russia [02:02] DaemonFC[m] The next is to sign dozens of orders reversing all of the low hanging fruit. [02:02] CrystalMath come on guys, russia's anthem sounds really good [02:03] DaemonFC[m] Then have a shortlist of existing regulations to go through rulemaking to reverse in the next 6-12 months. [02:03] CrystalMath we'll blow all the aliens out of the spotlight with our awesome anthem [02:03] XRevan86 I don't think it's copyrighted [02:03] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I saw the ceremony when Medvedev pretended Putin wasn't the president for a few years. [02:03] DaemonFC[m] It looked like the end of a Star Wars movie. [02:03] DaemonFC[m] They really go all out. [02:04] XRevan86 CrystalMath: You can take just the anthem, without Putin in the bundle :D [02:04] CrystalMath XRevan86: being serbian, i am definitely not fond of NATO [02:05] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: President is just a job [02:05] CrystalMath those people killed innocent children [02:05] CrystalMath over here [02:05] CrystalMath the US democrats in particular [02:05] CrystalMath during the Clinton administration [02:05] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Putin is what in Kazakhstan they call a National Leader [02:06] XRevan86 A de-facto ruler of the meta-government regardless of any assigned post. [02:07] MinceR sounds like what they called szalasi [02:07] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The US republicans killed in Iraq [02:07] CrystalMath yes but that was Bush [02:07] CrystalMath that's the non-Trump republicans :P [02:08] CrystalMath Bush supported Biden [02:08] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [02:09] MinceR did he manage to replace the entire party, including all their representatives and senators? impressive. [02:09] XRevan86 MinceR: No, he coughed at them, trumpness is very contagious [02:10] CrystalMath MinceR: nope, without him it all goes back to hell [02:10] CrystalMath the party affiliation doesn't matter if he loses [02:10] CrystalMath the next US candidate i'll support will be the one that is firmly anti-interventionist [02:10] MinceR who would have thought that trumpness would be cured immediately by trump losing the election [02:11] XRevan86 , . [02:11] MinceR :> [02:11] CrystalMath even if the only one is Vermin Supreme [02:11] MinceR too bad he has no chance to win [02:12] CrystalMath and it's all the fault of people like you who kept attacking Trump, the one and only anti-interventionist anti-war president in the recent history of the united states [02:12] MinceR lol [02:12] XRevan86 (the tsar is good, the boyars are bad) [02:12] CrystalMath seriously just for that he should be given a nobel prize [02:12] MinceR yeah, who cares if he's also an anti-science antivax climate denialist [02:12] CrystalMath actually, even if i wasn't anti-science, i would say that [02:12] MinceR nobel peace prizes are meaningless, they should just sell them at the gift shop [02:13] CrystalMath because america is the world's problem [02:13] MinceR oh, i forgot "christian fundamentalist" [02:13] CrystalMath ad so is china, i guess [02:13] MinceR yes it is [02:13] XRevan86 and his reasoning is a lack of big picture perception [02:13] MinceR and twitler made it a much worse problem [02:13] CrystalMath MinceR: how? by not being involved in other countries' matters? [02:14] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Trump is so stupid he doesn't understand how international alliances benefit the US. [02:14] CrystalMath who cares about what benefits the uS [02:14] CrystalMath i'm talking about the world [02:14] CrystalMath if Trump makes mistakes that weaken the US for the benefit of the world, then Trump is doing a good thing, just unintentionally [02:14] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Trying looking at it from the US self-interest perspective, they are the ones who are voting here after all. [02:14] XRevan86 * Try looking [02:15] CrystalMath so you should have encouraged voting for Trump [02:15] MinceR oh yeah, actively worsening global warming and promoting neofascism worldwide had absolutely no effect on other countries [02:16] XRevan86 I'm not the kind of person who'd mislead US citizens into self-harm and suffering. [02:16] XRevan86 There's also another aspect: notice what's happening in Armenia / Azerbaijan [02:16] CrystalMath XRevan86: not even if it would save the lives of innocent children? [02:17] XRevan86 The US losing its grip unties hands of local imperialists like Russia, China, Turkey [02:17] MinceR it also made matters worse in hungary [02:17] XRevan86 And through that innocent children can die just as well. [02:18] MinceR our nazi government will finally get more pushback next year [02:18] CrystalMath MinceR: you seriously believe Trump elected Orban? [02:18] MinceR no [02:18] CrystalMath then how? [02:18] MinceR by not penalizing them, by not exercising soft power [02:18] CrystalMath so you want to go against the will of your own people [02:18] MinceR your favorite wannabe dictator even started laying his hands on RFERL recently [02:18] CrystalMath by force [02:19] MinceR oh, the oracle can tell me the will of these people? [02:19] MinceR tell me, oh oracle, what do the hungarian people want? [02:19] CrystalMath well that's just what you said [02:19] CrystalMath you said that Orban won only because the US didn't force him out [02:19] XRevan86 MinceR: CrystalMath means that Orban was democratically elected last election. [02:19] CrystalMath not necessarily [02:20] CrystalMath it's just that MinceR seems to believe so, and wants to destroy that while thinking it's democratic [02:20] CrystalMath (maybe it's actually not democratic, i certainly don't know) [02:20] CrystalMath but if someone believes that an external force is required, then clearly you think you can't win fairly [02:20] MinceR 08 031928 < CrystalMath> you said that Orban won only because the US didn't force him out [02:20] MinceR [citation needed] [02:21] CrystalMath <@MinceR> by not penalizing them, by not exercising soft power [02:21] CrystalMath what does this mean? [02:21] MinceR XRevan86: well, the last free election we had was in 2010 [02:21] XRevan86 If the democracy is eroded, then the EU should intervene. Not really the US, it's not their jurisdiction. [02:21] MinceR CrystalMath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power#United_States [02:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Soft power - Wikipedia [02:21] MinceR (also see the rest of the article) [02:21] MinceR yes, the EU should intervene [02:21] MinceR but it doesn't [02:22] CrystalMath it sounds to me like you're trying to say... i can't beat Usain Bolt in a race, so this is Trump's fault because Trump was supposed to trip Usain Bolt near the finish line for me! [02:22] MinceR possibly it's because it's a limp-dicked shitpile that can't do anything [02:22] MinceR possibly it's because the most powerful members are in the pockets of the german car industry which exploits the situation by making their overpriced shitty cars for cheap in hungary [02:22] XRevan86 MinceR: Then the US should ask the EU what they're doing, not Hungary directly. [02:22] MinceR CrystalMath: you should seriously deal with your cognitive dissonance [02:23] CrystalMath i don't like Orban [02:23] MinceR XRevan86: why, are there no us/hu diplomatic relations anymore? [02:23] CrystalMath but if the people truly want him [02:23] CrystalMath i just won't move to hungary [02:23] CrystalMath i'm not gonna take away these people's right to elect him just because i want this and that [02:23] CrystalMath who am i to say what is right or wrfong? [02:23] CrystalMath *wrong [02:24] MinceR how do you know the people truly want him? [02:24] XRevan86 MinceR: It's the EU's business and the EU is a partner. [02:24] MinceR we've held 2 fake "elections" so far, under conditions he controlled in such a way that we can't know what the people want [02:25] MinceR orban controls the media except for a few websites that don't reach most voters [02:25] CrystalMath that sounds familiar [02:25] MinceR orban had the districts gerrymandered [02:25] MinceR orban handed out citizenship to people who never lived or paid taxes in the country, and occasionally buses them in so they can vote for him [02:26] CrystalMath that sounds familiar too [02:26] MinceR and he changed the rules so that last time he got 2/3 of the seats in the parliament by winning something like 45% of the votes [02:26] MinceR oh, and the corporation that tallied the votes serves him [02:26] CrystalMath and that happened in serbia this year [02:26] CrystalMath only it was more like 30% [02:26] MinceR he even tried to have a stooge buy the hungarian part of that corporation, i think that failed [02:26] XRevan86 MinceR: How? Party percentage barrier? [02:27] MinceR all sorts of distortions [02:27] MinceR like individual candidates and all sorts of bonuses to the winning candidate's party [02:27] MinceR penalties for parties running together in an election (as the opposition parties were effectively forced to) [02:28] MinceR they also came up with fake parties and fake candidates in an attempt to confuse voters [02:28] MinceR and they've bought votes [02:28] XRevan86 Russia has a cool system where if a party doesn't pass a certain barrier they don't get seats and the ones that do get seats get their percentages proportionately to how much seats they already got. [02:28] MinceR but yeah, going by the (already distorted in orban's favor) 45% i'd say the people don't actually want him [02:28] XRevan86 United Russia being the ruling party (and hence consolidated) can steal opposition votes like that. [02:30] MinceR when orban's sockpuppet lost the election for prime mayor of budapest, they took all sorts of funds and control away from the prime mayor and handed them to the government [02:30] XRevan86 The ruling party is always consolidated, the opposition is always divided. [02:30] MinceR they even created some new position for the failed sockpuppet so they could keep giving him power [02:31] XRevan86 That's a very good property for FPTP voting and for systems that have barriers like that. [02:32] XRevan86 MinceR: When Furgal won in Khabarovsk, the capital of Far East status moved to a United Russia controlled Vladivostok [02:32] MinceR :> [02:32] MinceR the nazis have tried moving some functions from budapest to other cities [02:32] MinceR it's not as easy, as even their government drones aren't very fond of the idea of moving [02:33] MinceR especially since the country so damn centralized [02:33] CrystalMath Budapest has always been the historic capital, wasn't it? [02:33] MinceR but they are trying to slowly choke budapest to death [02:33] MinceR no [02:33] MinceR szekesfehervar and pozsony (bratislava) come to mind [02:34] XRevan86 Khabarovsk is still protesting the prosecution of Furgal. [02:34] MinceR though maybe the latter only had the national assembly in it [02:34] XRevan86 Impressive persistence [02:34] XRevan86 and unprecedented in Russian history [02:36] MinceR another interesting thing is that there is actually a part of budapest the nazis are fond of: the castle of buda [02:36] MinceR they've moved more functions there, kicked up more worthy users and maybe they'll try to keep that to themselves while they turn the rest of the city into some sort of post-apocalyptic wasteland [02:50] XRevan86 MinceR: Anyway, you can't really expect others to fix your shit. [02:50] MinceR i can't expect anyone to fix this shit [02:50] MinceR and i'm not a one man army [02:50] XRevan86 When others get involved in your shit, they're then get blamed for it. [02:52] MinceR i could maybe expect EU officials to stop lying about what they're doing [02:52] XRevan86 MinceR: If a lot of people assemble with each other, the world would be a better place to live. [02:52] MinceR and see how people in other member states react [02:52] MinceR XRevan86: no it wouldn't [02:52] MinceR most people are shit [02:53] XRevan86 MinceR: What's your opinion on people assembling in Belarus' against their National Leader faking a whole election of himself? [02:54] MinceR it could help them, if they manage to kill the "National Leader" and resist the ensuing russian attempt to annex belarus [02:58] XRevan86 MinceR: It seems they're not charged enough to succeed, yes. [02:58] CrystalMath also, another thing that you've "won" [02:58] CrystalMath Julian Assange will now be killed [02:58] CrystalMath for exposing the truth about evil US military operations [02:58] CrystalMath who knows what will happen to Chelsea Manning [02:59] MinceR should have got rid of the two party system [02:59] CrystalMath no, should have supported TRUMP [02:59] CrystalMath he was the independent [02:59] CrystalMath the greatest [02:59] CrystalMath i'm actually crying right now ● Nov 08 [03:00] MinceR hi actually crying right now, i'm dad [03:01] CrystalMath wait, Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning [03:01] CrystalMath so she'll be fine [03:01] MinceR did DHA Man pardon Assange? [03:02] CrystalMath how can he do that when Assange wasn't found guilty [03:02] CrystalMath they've been waiting [03:02] MinceR they could have called the goons off [03:02] XRevan86 CrystalMath: How a Trump presidency would've helped Assange? [03:02] MinceR if he cared so much [03:02] MinceR but he obviously didn't [03:02] CrystalMath XRevan86: Trump would have pardoned him [03:02] DaemonFC[m] I got to taunt my dad. [03:03] DaemonFC[m] Part of my email went "No more Cheeto Hitler and Gilead Commander Pence.". [03:03] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Because his electorate is extremely liberal? [03:03] CrystalMath Assange exposed the evils of Hillary Clinton [03:03] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Did he actually make a statement like that or is this your imagination [03:04] CrystalMath more my imagination, really [03:04] MinceR "would have" [03:04] MinceR he had 4 years [03:04] CrystalMath no he couldn't do this yet [03:04] CrystalMath i don't think he could have called off the indictment [03:04] MinceR as the supreme commander? [03:04] CrystalMath he's not the supreme commander [03:04] XRevan86 He's still in office, he can do this as his last glorious act of gloryness [03:05] CrystalMath how does one do a future pardon? [03:05] MinceR as the person who filled the government with corrupt corporate officials? [03:05] MinceR well, he probably can't call off the goons now because he's a lame duck [03:05] MinceR but he had 4 years to do it [03:06] CrystalMath i don't know how [03:06] CrystalMath he couldn't even call off an investigation [03:06] CrystalMath into russian influence [03:06] CrystalMath although ofc that was bullcrap [03:06] CrystalMath beyond the fact that everyone in the world wanted Trump to win [03:06] CrystalMath except goddamn eurotards [03:07] MinceR he could replace the guy who was investigating russian influence or something [03:07] CrystalMath particularly scandinavia and filthy western europe [03:07] CrystalMath MinceR: that was an investigation into Trump himself, and he couldn't stop it [03:07] MinceR yes, everyone in south america, australia and new zealand wanted cheeto hitler to win.~ [03:07] CrystalMath surely Trump at least cares about Trump [03:07] CrystalMath right, i forgot the fascist lands down under [03:08] CrystalMath and the rest of the british empire [03:08] MinceR funny thing for a supporter of a fascist to say [03:08] CrystalMath what makes Trump a fascist? [03:08] CrystalMath he literally didn't do anything [03:08] MinceR another funny thing: according to politicalcompass.org, both trump and biden are fascists >> https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 [03:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politicalcompass.org | The Political Compass [03:08] CrystalMath but legalize marijuana, and only slightly [03:08] MinceR and so are almost all parties in germany [03:09] MinceR and most parties everywhere i looked so far [03:11] CrystalMath "Biden remains at heart an unimaginative conservative who, among much else, was a driving force for the catastrophic invasion of Iraq." [03:11] CrystalMath i almost forgot Biden was a republican [03:11] CrystalMath i mean come on, the US elected a republican to replace an independent and you all cheered for it [03:11] CrystalMath it's horrible [03:12] MinceR not a "republican", a "conservative" [03:12] CrystalMath no, he was a republican [03:12] CrystalMath an actual member of the republican party [03:12] MinceR and not an independent, but a "republican" [03:21] XRevan86 Biden is not a stable genius having the best words, I think this is the primary selling point that made him president. [03:22] XRevan86 and being nominated from one of the two parties, of course [03:22] CrystalMath it didn't make him president yet [03:22] CrystalMath i still hope this can be contested in the courts [03:23] CrystalMath or maybe even that Trump refuses to yield... a civil war in the US will surely weaken it enough to stop being a threat for a while [03:23] CrystalMath but i hope it doesn't come to that, since that would be sacrificing americans to save the rest of the world [03:24] XRevan86 Trump, please destroy the United States of America, I love you CrystalMath [03:24] XRevan86 (not an actual quote, paraphrasing) [03:25] CrystalMath well, what i really hope is for him to win and make it great again [03:25] CrystalMath but if it can't be great, it would be nice if at least it wasn't a monster [03:25] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/IVUDBqr.png https://i.imgur.com/jUWkzJF.jpg [03:25] XRevan86 If only the US citizens could see how their deaths would've helped the greater good, if only they voted right [03:26] CrystalMath well no [03:26] CrystalMath there was a lot of election fraud [03:26] MinceR maybe it will break apart so that only part of its current territory will be ruled by christian fundamentalists [03:26] CrystalMath this year [03:26] CrystalMath so i can't really blame the people of america [03:26] MinceR indeed, at least committed by cheeto hitler [03:26] CrystalMath i blame this channel for actually liking this horrible scenario [03:27] XRevan86 MinceR already made a point on Trump sabotaging international efforts on controlling emissions [03:27] MinceR not that those efforts are likely to have a significant impact either way [03:27] CrystalMath the EU still controls emissions [03:28] CrystalMath china still doesn't [03:28] MinceR iirc the times that various studies pinpointed as the last time to really start taking this seriously and acting have come and went [03:28] CrystalMath look on the bright side [03:28] MinceR and most of the "emission control" we actually get is just states milking citizens [03:28] CrystalMath if we ever get knocked back into the stone age [03:28] CrystalMath we'll never get up again [03:28] CrystalMath there won't be any fossil fuels here [03:28] MinceR we won't, we'll turn this planet into another Venus [03:28] CrystalMath certainly not enough [03:29] MinceR possibly a heavily radioactive one [03:29] CrystalMath the bright side of using all these fossil fuels [03:29] CrystalMath is that they've been depleted [03:30] CrystalMath so there won't be any left [03:30] MinceR :> [03:30] XRevan86 "i blame this channel for actually liking this horrible scenario" bredor-escobar-dilemma.jpg [03:30] MinceR "we've already done all we could to ruin this planet with fossil fuels!" [03:40] XRevan86 No, we're not done. [03:43] MinceR https://www.politicalcompass.org/iconochasms [03:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politicalcompass.org | The Political Compass [03:44] MinceR we're working on it ● Nov 08 [04:19] oiaohm CrystalMath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas_emissions_by_China China does have emission control. Current China plan is at the move leveling off emissions until 2030 then go to declining until 2060 where it to be net zero. [04:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Greenhouse gas emissions by China - Wikipedia [04:20] oiaohm Slow than most countries would like. [04:20] CrystalMath oiaohm: what, are you some kind of chinese commie shill? [04:20] oiaohm No that not a shill that is backed up by China future coal orders. [04:21] CrystalMath why in the world would anyone, let alone anyone on techrights, defend china in any possible scenario? [04:21] oiaohm If they are not going to be getting the coal to burn they have to have some other plan. [04:22] MinceR i'm guessing the method of getting to net zero by 2060 is that the human species will be extinct by then [04:22] CrystalMath MinceR: gosh i really hope so [04:22] oiaohm This is not defending china. Its not true to say china does not have emission control. [04:22] CrystalMath for your sake [04:22] CrystalMath okay but i mean, if i heard a blatantly false accusation against china, i'd just skip over it [04:22] MinceR CrystalMath: i doubt i'd live that long anyway [04:22] CrystalMath no way am i defending that garbage of a government [04:23] CrystalMath that low-life scum that runs that infernal prison they call a country [04:23] oiaohm China had to do emission control because the were having too many mecially sick people due to smog. [04:23] oiaohm medical [04:23] MinceR CrystalMath: eventually you'll get used to oiaohm defending low-life scum, he does it all the time :> [04:23] CrystalMath oh i see, but when *I* do it, you all start badgering me with orange man bad [04:23] MinceR lol [04:23] oiaohm Lot of other countries did emission control for envornmental reasons. [04:24] MinceR CrystalMath: i need time to get used to you defending cheeto hitler [04:24] MinceR CrystalMath: oiaohm was advertising cancerd since before you arrived here [04:24] CrystalMath MinceR: another reason why i like Trump is because he's anti-china [04:24] MinceR jyna [04:25] CrystalMath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n17_EPF8dwo [04:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Donald Trump - China (Na Na Na) - Parody of Havana by Camila Cabello - YouTube [04:25] MinceR i hate twitler and the government of red china because they're both authoritarians [04:26] CrystalMath this is still hilarious [04:26] MinceR but not hillaryous? [04:26] CrystalMath no, simply because i'm incapable of having a happy thought when that demon woman is mentioned [04:26] CrystalMath at least she's dead [04:27] oiaohm Also that emission level of china gets hard. If you break china and USA emissions down on a per person. Per person the USA is 3 times worse. [04:28] CrystalMath oiaohm: oh shut up you commie bastard [04:28] oiaohm No those are UN numbers [04:28] CrystalMath i don't care [04:28] CrystalMath china deserves to be carpet bombed until nothing is left [04:28] CrystalMath there's your zero emissions [04:28] MinceR lol @ mexico is the new jyna [04:29] oiaohm Most likely the usa making those bombs would be more polluting than leaving china lone. [04:29] MinceR probably not on the long term [04:30] MinceR especially if this starts a world war and more than just red china is destroyed [04:30] oiaohm One of the reasons why USA CO2 per person is so high is how many weapons are made never used then scrapped then made again. There are millions of army tanks that have been made in the USA that are recycled army tanks. [04:31] MinceR another reason is that the standard of life is much higher in uhmerica than in red china [04:31] CrystalMath "red china" i should start using that [04:31] oiaohm So there are some really wacky levels stupidy causing some of the climent change problems. [04:32] CrystalMath because i don't want to in any way imply any short of wish to harm Taiwan, which i consider a great place [04:32] CrystalMath *any sort [04:33] oiaohm Please note I am not saying I would not mind if china had a more aggressive plan for emissions. I would prefer it. But USA does need to have a close look at themselves in a lot of places. [04:33] oiaohm China plans to reduce coal is going to effect australia. [04:34] MinceR i doubt anyone even has a plan that could work [04:35] MinceR it all seems like just "improve things a little bit eventually" and "let's just make everyone pay the state for polluting, that'll show them!" [04:35] oiaohm There are some wacky things being done. [04:35] MinceR then again, that thing about energy ROI i saw a while ago made it seem like we're doomed anyway [04:35] oiaohm Like burning iron as fuel. [04:35] MinceR that burning iron thing is more of an energy storage [04:36] MinceR but maybe we could make solar and wind power more practical with it [04:36] MinceR those probably still have too low EROI anyway [04:37] oiaohm Using electricity to turn rust into iron to burn allows more effective generation of heat than using any of the electrical resistance methods to produce heat. [04:37] MinceR how? [04:38] MinceR it can't be the heat generation itself, afaict that's at 100% efficiency with resistors [04:39] oiaohm Its just how it works out. rust powder can be convert to iron powder by electrolysis. That turns out to be able to be done very effectively. Resistors don't reach 100 percent efficiency at heat generation. [04:39] MinceR what loss do they generate? [04:40] MinceR it can't be in electricity production because electrolysis runs on electricity all the same [04:41] MinceR all that seems to be left is power delivery [04:41] oiaohm You forgot EMI and areas in the electromagnetic spectrum. Resistance does not equal 100 to heat. [04:41] MinceR and i've heard some scary low efficiency for this electrolysis thing [04:41] oiaohm Water yes. [04:41] oiaohm Iron turns out to be odd. [04:41] MinceR afaik resistors don't do EMI except for glowing [04:42] MinceR ceramic heating panels might be able to avoid glowing without having to run a fan [04:42] MinceR and even the light emitted by a resistor is likely to be converted to heat where it's still useful [04:43] MinceR in any case, a faraday cage should be able to capture EMI and turn it into heat [04:45] oiaohm Trying to get the last bits of resister output heat for effectively ends up with a complex mess. [04:45] superkuh The radiated light hits it's environment is captured and converted to heat. Or reflected and converted to heat at another surface. [04:46] superkuh No need to capture by anything explicit unless you're outdoors? [04:47] superkuh A resistor is 100% efficient at converting electrical energy to heat energy. [04:51] CrystalMath MinceR: oiaohm supporting systemd does not suprise me, he used to run a blog called the Linux Haters Blog [04:51] oiaohm Old school light bulb is a resistor but its not converting all the power in into heat. [04:52] oiaohm CrystalMath: that not true. [04:52] oiaohm My blog was not called Linux Haters blog. [04:52] CrystalMath https://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/fuzzy-logic/22130-linux-haters-redux-dead-long-live-oiaohm [04:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Linux Hater's Redux... dead? Long live... Oiaohm?! [04:52] CrystalMath it's the first result that comes up when one searches oiaohm :P [04:54] oiaohm CrystalMath: read down Oiaohm Battle Ground [04:55] oiaohm Yes it first result come up and its a totally miss leading piece. [04:55] oiaohm What happens when you refuse a interview. [04:56] CrystalMath i see, so you weren't the original Linux Hater's Blog writer [04:56] oiaohm Or redux [04:57] oiaohm Nothing like having what I was started completely screwed over being tared with those blogs. [04:57] MinceR 08 055150 < oiaohm> Old school light bulb is a resistor but its not converting all the power in into heat. [04:57] MinceR put it in an opaque metal box and then it does ● Nov 08 [05:01] DaemonFC[m] I've always lived in a state with an open primary so I cross over and vote in the Republican primary sometimes when there's nothing interesting going on in the Democratic one. [05:01] DaemonFC[m] Sometimes as a joke, often to saddle them with a horrible candidate. [05:05] CrystalMath who was the last one you picked? :P [05:10] oiaohm MinceR: even putting a box around it does not stop the box from deciding to put a light. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_cooling There are some quite wacky things that can happen. [05:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Laser cooling - Wikipedia [05:12] oiaohm Simple physics you can resistance=100 percent heat because that is good enough. But when you get into all the wacky stuff nature of real world physics likes doing it gets messy. [05:12] oiaohm Yes it is truly possible in the right combination of setup to heat a item and the result is colder not hotter. [05:13] oiaohm Its not that energy has been lost just has not gone the way you were expecting. 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An all-time record. #techrights did that for the first time (1.2GB) last year." [07:54] schestowitz Seems the daily text version bulletin was requested 4,500 times this past week, Those are hits on ~/txt (not direct access to archived versions of old ones... I have not checked those and I imagine it's a lot lower) [07:54] schestowitz /2020/11/03/github-is-social-control/ accessed about 8,500 times. That's the one with the Friedman video in it. [07:54] schestowitz Should we look at DTP for more Friedman clips to identify parts of interest? It is time consuming, but may still be worth it. ● Nov 08 [08:06] schestowitz > They media houses were probably all delaying the announcement so that [08:06] schestowitz > the Whitehouse doctor can get on site with the thorazine: [08:07] schestowitz > [08:07] schestowitz > https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-defeats-trump-win-white-house-nbc-news-projects-n1246912 [08:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Biden defeats Trump to win White House, NBC News projects [08:18] CrystalMath we'll see what the courts have to say [08:19] CrystalMath you congratulated manbearpig as well [08:19] CrystalMath but he lost in the end [08:19] CrystalMath now you're congratulating the obaminable sandman [08:19] CrystalMath we'll see... [08:20] schestowitz "Hope dies last"-famous saying [08:21] CrystalMath this voter fraud pretty much showed me that USA is about as trustworthy as honduras [08:21] CrystalMath and that's an insult for honduras :( [08:22] CrystalMath if the obaminable sandman is inaugurated, i will hate america just as i did until January 20th 2017 [08:23] CrystalMath then again, i guess i was wrong for ever thinking it could be "great again" [08:23] CrystalMath it's an autocratic pile of garbage, with a travesty of a justice system [08:28] CrystalMath they have one more chance to show the world that they're not a banana republic - overturn this voter fraud [08:29] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: [08:29] schestowitz > RMS is a "Green Party troll" as well. [08:29] schestowitz > [08:29] schestowitz > While Ryan is to his own countrymen what de Icaza and Nat Friedman are [08:29] schestowitz > to Free Software, walking Open Sores and hypocrite corporate whores. [08:29] schestowitz > [08:29] schestowitz > Note that I actually consider Ryan's level of hypocrisy worse, which is [08:29] schestowitz > no excuse for de Icaza. He's so much closer to Trump than real progress, [08:29] schestowitz > you might as well call him "Hillary". Are you are sure he's really on [08:29] schestowitz > our side? You don't have to answer that, I know your opinion. Now you [08:29] schestowitz > know mine. [08:29] schestowitz -anon [08:30] kingoffrance you know they literally name clothing stores that CrystalMath :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Republic [08:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Banana Republic - Wikipedia [08:30] kingoffrance i think that should answer your q [08:30] CrystalMath yes i know but it's also a phrase [08:30] kingoffrance i know im just saying tone-deafedness on their part... [08:31] CrystalMath who is Ryan? [08:31] CrystalMath i don't get it [08:31] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: also this: [08:31] schestowitz >> The Green Party trolls not being on the ballot in Georgia will be [08:31] schestowitz > Biden's victory margin and then some. [08:31] schestowitz > [08:31] schestowitz > You're a stupid fascist cunt, Ryan. [08:31] schestowitz > [08:31] schestowitz > Fucking traitor. [08:31] schestowitz he knows your first name [08:32] schestowitz [01:32] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): "This election was a referendum on Trump. Biden was Not-Trump, nothing more. Biden has no solutions for the climate, poverty, racism, and nuclear war." https://howiehawkins.us/release-hawkins-and-walker-react-to-trumps-defeat/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/b07da1a1-45b9-4057-a691-66c975d2f85d] [08:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howiehawkins.us | RELEASE: Hawkins and Walker React To Trumps Defeat | Howie Hawkins for President | Angela Walker for Vice President [08:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [08:32] CrystalMath oh DaemonFC[m] is Ryan? [08:32] schestowitz yes [08:32] CrystalMath what was this fuss about? [08:33] CrystalMath he voted for Biden instead of the green party? [08:34] CrystalMath well i think that was a bad choice, but i respect DaemonFC[m]'s choice anyway... however in that JOKE of a country they don't allow people to vote for who they want [08:36] *Glyphie44___ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [08:37] CrystalMath i'm going to sleep [08:37] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Save The Planet, Kill Yourself! https://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/) [08:37] *openJ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [08:37] *hook54321 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [08:38] *jameshjacks0njr has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:38] schestowitz [08:37] <-- CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has left this server (Quit: Save The Planet, Kill Yourself! https://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/). [08:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.churchofeuthanasia.org | Church of Euthanasia [08:38] schestowitz wth? 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They are not as strict on added matter as the EPO, and the test is essentially one of 'new information' being present. Certainly the UK Courts have a more lenient test for combinations, selection from lists, etc. It is almost unheard of for a patent to go down on added matter in the UK. [12:25] schestowitz I would also add that if we think about all possible patent systems that could exist, your defence of the 'Gold Standard' would hinder new thinking on how to look at IP. I am an admirer of what the US Supreme Court did on eligibility, but the subsequent failure to develop new case law is the fault of the Federal Circuit, that could not change its way of thinking appropriately. The US Supreme Court was redefining the 'commons' in [12:25] schestowitz important areas of activity. I think that was a good thing to attempt, but the reaction was too negative for it to have worked. The Federal Circuit was unable to take on 'visionary' thinking when it got the opportunity, which I think continues to be a lost opportunity. [12:25] schestowitz " [12:30] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/02/is-broad-institute-planning-last-ditch.html?showComment=1604651853840#c3508044250881378268 [12:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Is the Broad Institute planning a last-ditch attempt to save their CRISPR patent? - The IPKat [12:30] schestowitz "The decision has been published: https://www.epo.org/law-practice/case-law-appeals/pdf/t180844eu1.pdf " [12:44] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Kicks Off November With More Fixes, Including More Plasma Wayland Work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144130#comment-27087 [https://pleroma.site/objects/92005914-1c63-447c-89bc-2a8b988c5193] [12:48] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144134 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b6198aa6-861d-41d0-9af1-bfce24bb0647] [12:55] *tr_guest|50251 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) ● Nov 08 [13:32] *Achylles (~Achylles@187.34.14.187) has joined #techrights [13:33] *Achylles has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) [13:34] *Achylles (~Achylles@187.34.14.187) has joined #techrights [13:40] MinceR i see some people have yet to come to grips with the horrible two-party system :> [13:42] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/26155d2cad35c931.jpg [13:45] schestowitz techrights is now officially on dweb / ipfs e.g. https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmZ3Yy7uWVtMyGfgaCQYtpcJZBxS2LoLEFZPgRSiYBF73w [13:45] schestowitz MinceR: purrrr evil [13:47] schestowitz ipfs stats bw [13:47] schestowitz Bandwidth [13:47] schestowitz TotalIn: 2.0 GB [13:47] schestowitz TotalOut: 873 MB [13:47] schestowitz RateIn: 17 kB/s [13:47] schestowitz RateOut: 4.6 kB/s [13:47] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/OmSByhZ.jpg [13:48] schestowitz MinceR: https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1324796282901131265/photo/1 [13:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Meanwhile, back at the Pennsylvania Avenue ranch... https://t.co/wotQP38fMF https://t.co/ADUpblssq2 [13:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> m.facebook.com | Timeline Photos [13:49] MinceR :) [13:49] *Achylles has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [13:52] schestowitz anyone wanna proofread with me re ibm and systemd? [13:53] schestowitz "Large Corporations Arent Going to Save the Real GNU/Linux Community Because Thats Not Their Goal (They Just Want to Dominate Everything)" [13:54] *Achylles (~Achylles@187.34.14.187) has joined #techrights [13:55] *silipwn (uid468154@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nxtgusuwksyydypu) has joined #techrights [13:56] schestowitz vZS1: quick question [13:56] schestowitz is it good practice to append to a filename its pin id? [13:56] schestowitz like techrights-irc-date-PID.txt? [13:57] schestowitz if it's universal and immutable [13:57] vZS1 I don't see why not [13:57] schestowitz and then add the CID to the index page? [13:57] schestowitz http://techrights.org/irc-archives/ [13:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of /irc-archives [13:57] schestowitz for IRC [13:57] schestowitz for stories/daily links: http://techrights.org/txt-archives/ [13:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [13:58] vZS1 It's not pin id btw [13:58] vZS1 It's CID [13:58] schestowitz "you must be new here" ;-) [13:58] DaemonFC[m] Biden gained more in Georgia. [13:58] schestowitz local store has 11mb now [13:58] DaemonFC[m] +10,195 this morning. [13:59] schestowitz 2gb out (not sure what), 850 or so in [13:59] schestowitz opposite actually, 2gb in [13:59] DaemonFC[m] A recount reversing this is going more and more into fantasy land, Roy, and he'd never do it in four states. [13:59] schestowitz yes, he's fucked [13:59] schestowitz we already go hard on Biden [13:59] schestowitz as he won [13:59] schestowitz and we need to remind people not to caress his sleepy head ● Nov 08 [14:00] schestowitz and instead move him to progressive policies [14:00] schestowitz inc. fiscal, environment... [14:00] DaemonFC[m] Well, regardless of what happens, at least Trump will be gone in a matter of weeks. [14:00] DaemonFC[m] Whether he leaves or has to be arrested. [14:00] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1324796282901131265/photo/1 [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Meanwhile, back at the Pennsylvania Avenue ranch... https://t.co/wotQP38fMF https://t.co/ADUpblssq2 [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> m.facebook.com | Timeline Photos [14:01] DaemonFC[m] That would be funny if he gets himself arrested and hauled out in irons. [14:01] schestowitz vZS1: one more question [14:01] schestowitz is there a way to hard-link these objects without relying on the ipfs.io domain? [14:01] schestowitz I assume it's universal across all nodes [14:01] vZS1 There are other http gateways around [14:02] DaemonFC[m] Nobody is going to pardon him for intruding in the White House. It's a federal offense that occurs after he isn't the president anymore. [14:02] schestowitz and that the main domain is just one of many [14:02] schestowitz kk, got it, vZS1 [14:02] vZS1 But I haven't looked into the others [14:02] schestowitz so no need to link, just name the CID [14:02] schestowitz no hard-linking [14:02] vZS1 Yeah just CID works too [14:02] DaemonFC[m] The constitution is very clear that you can't pardon future crimes. [14:02] schestowitz trying FF extension for ipfs [14:03] schestowitz to learn how it's done with a client application [14:03] DaemonFC[m] It says that the president can pardon crimes "committed", not ones being planned or actively carried out. [14:03] DaemonFC[m] Not even the SCOTUS can do anything here. [14:04] schestowitz I could never find a way to supply a CID to open from the FF extension [14:04] schestowitz just a way to upload objects to my locally stored (via FF) instance [14:04] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz, My hunch is that he may resign on some deal with Mike Pence where Pence pardons him right before the clock runs out. [14:05] schestowitz pardon me? [14:05] DaemonFC[m] Pence gets to be president for a few minutes and nobody gets to argue whether pardoning yourself is legal or not. [14:05] DaemonFC[m] But it still doesn't help with potential state charges. [14:05] DaemonFC[m] And New York has been quietly getting a case ready to go for when he loses his immunity as president. [14:06] schestowitz https://cid.ipfs.io/#QmZ3Yy7uWVtMyGfgaCQYtpcJZBxS2LoLEFZPgRSiYBF73w [14:06] vZS1 You'll need to look for "node explorer" or something like that [14:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cid.ipfs.io | CID Inspector | IPFS [14:06] DaemonFC[m] There's more than 20 states where the Attorney General and the Governor are Democrats. [14:06] vZS1 I don't know much about the GUIs [14:06] DaemonFC[m] He's likely committed crimes against New York and others. [14:06] DaemonFC[m] So even with a pardon, he's not safe. [14:07] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [14:08] DaemonFC[m] In Illinois, Lisa Madigan and now Kwame Raoule have investigated him. [14:08] DaemonFC[m] So there's potential charges here too. I think he'll flee the country. [14:10] DaemonFC[m] It's more than just being vicious and petty. [14:10] DaemonFC[m] If he or Pence or anyone in the administration come back in 2024 after Trump is a convicted felon.... [14:10] schestowitz Finland, here we come! [14:10] schestowitz https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/19/finns-aghast-that-trump-could-think-their-country-is-part-of-russia [14:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Finns aghast that Trump could think their country is part of Russia | US news | The Guardian [14:10] DaemonFC[m] It can certainly move the needle. [14:11] DaemonFC[m] I mean, it wouldn't eat into _his_ base too much. [14:12] DaemonFC[m] But independent voters? Even a fraction of a percent who couldn't support that makes a big difference. [14:13] DaemonFC[m] If it moves a few thousand votes in each state. I mean everything counts as we're seeing now. [14:13] DaemonFC[m] Biden won a huge electoral college majority but only by thousands of votes in each of several states. [14:15] CrystalMath and that was full of voter fraud, that people must be held accountable for [14:16] CrystalMath another thing that people must be held accountable for is the lockdowns, which were a crime against humanity [14:16] *superkuh rolls eyes. [14:20] schestowitz [09:20] My idea is I'll track changes with Git. And I'll keep a log of the latest IPFS CID. You could pull the HTTP gateway version of the latest one and make sure the /txt path always points to the latest one [14:20] schestowitz maybe ~/txt/ipfs [14:20] schestowitz which will in turn redirect (cannot hardlink/softlink) to another server [14:21] schestowitz in case the main site is down, though the direction would then not be live, either [14:24] schestowitz /me trying to figure out how to interpret html files and present them as html, not plain text, e.g. https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXuCE4UN28pejn2SDEBKefaq5HXEnGB53Luf3w5j36hWG [14:27] schestowitz oh, I see, they're split into smaller chunks https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmaJ3fnVdDTNJwvatnm2Hj98b1SxFekXCdNKsqNfyRvs1Z [14:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipfs.io | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, November 07, 2020 [14:30] schestowitz so indirect is like 'incomplete' (file) [14:31] *Achylles_ (~Achylles@191.205.18.155) has joined #techrights [14:32] CrystalMath making a channel logging system? [14:32] schestowitz no, techrights dweb [14:32] schestowitz bypassing www [14:35] *Achylles has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [14:36] schestowitz added QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvk irc-log-071120.html [14:36] schestowitz added QmQvqA6ysqejvSV4638gYTpxqJsyfQoCgUYzwsYFMa2e3P irc-log-social-071120.html [14:36] schestowitz added QmahmH63tSR7MdY3XT1Vw9Er9KEXcKZ5yWQtBTAXEMckJ6 irc-log-techbytes-071120.html [14:36] schestowitz added QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu irc-log-techrights-071120.html [14:36] schestowitz added QmerK5cUxT2GJqRGjfcA5SJAkdgp5hbsx5x2WbcQesxGZK techrights-2020-10-26.txt [14:36] schestowitz added QmbuM4HcDHVAHur2fL3mkn1J15v3h6MVo1RTfS3kcU75Ux techrights-2020-10-27.txt [14:36] schestowitz added QmSmY7Gsrp5957iWaDi8iSkH8jzVrpyeun3a5385FwFoYd techrights-2020-10-28.txt [14:36] schestowitz added QmVQ7oU3WyduaMNtBop3gKCFfErcqpcMBxYeScYuxS1RcY techrights-2020-10-29.txt [14:36] schestowitz added QmaDa6yEzPjGFnUAiK1JjNgb84nCcf1VSMdBDzuPCW4yEY techrights-2020-10-30.txt [14:36] schestowitz added QmekfTpMvh2FjJRqBgLtLdQskkk5514Z7XLh5vbG5n2EBZ techrights-2020-10-31.txt [14:36] schestowitz added QmUmKb4aqjSUuDpw9u9xCpFXUA9MTw3ZnXHaetpPePCLRh techrights-2020-11-01.txt [14:36] schestowitz added QmRkkZHZtKfWMzQSu6xqTN3zuTNM6mXVL6zjqfnFRMkvvu techrights-2020-11-02.txt [14:36] schestowitz added QmVj4a9cEYqSNhTEXgk3uPzdSxak23C5L876MAGVLvqcMN techrights-2020-11-03.txt [14:36] schestowitz added Qme6tUQz9HbrFEyLrXZYhJEVcqahaSMEEhmSsv1qky5Lux techrights-2020-11-04.txt [14:36] schestowitz added Qma1Q1kNahagEkgXL7GiboNFEfw1WofSG4qB8nh3nes1Vf techrights-2020-11-05.txt [14:36] schestowitz added QmYHrR1P7YFy5prPQ3pAK1DZaGm7Mrr75NwK4VhUeFsTLD techrights-2020-11-06.txt [14:36] schestowitz added QmZ3Yy7uWVtMyGfgaCQYtpcJZBxS2LoLEFZPgRSiYBF73w techrights-2020-11-07.txt [14:36] schestowitz those are the latest articles [14:36] schestowitz plus yesterday's IRC logs [14:36] schestowitz I'm setting that up to automate creation [14:37] schestowitz this is #techrights for yesterday: [14:37] schestowitz https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu [14:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipfs.io | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, November 07, 2020 [14:37] schestowitz I might want to change the css and image links to full url, not relative path [14:38] schestowitz looking into it now [14:38] vZS1 Don't forget about RSS [14:38] vZS1 It'd be nice to just get these CIDs with their context in RSS [14:38] schestowitz ah [14:39] schestowitz I was thinking web page [14:39] schestowitz spew out head into

[14:39] schestowitz then latest additions [14:39] schestowitz isn't rss served over http/s typically? [14:39] vZS1 Web page would just be index [14:40] vZS1 RSS for the notifications [14:40] schestowitz rss as ipfs object? [14:40] schestowitz that people subscribe to? [14:40] schestowitz (cid is static) [14:42] vZS1 Think what works for you [14:43] schestowitz URL_REGEXP = re.compile(r'((http|https|ftp|gopher|news)://[^ \'")>]*)') [14:43] schestowitz ok, I patched my script for irc [14:43] schestowitz so css would not link to all the thinks, no matter the domain it's accessed from [14:44] schestowitz vZS1: do you subscribe to any rss over ipfs? [14:45] schestowitz as I understand it, once you make an object, the cid is the same and content won't change [14:45] schestowitz so that kind of seems not compatible with rss/xml/atom as a concept [14:45] schestowitz if you can link to an example I can learn from (rss feed in ipfs), I can copy [14:46] schestowitz or... I can make another object, one for each day, which is an index of new cid's [14:46] vZS1 I meant you have a web page [14:46] vZS1 With the RSS [14:46] vZS1 that just notifies people of the new CIDs [14:46] schestowitz ah, web-based rss [14:46] vZS1 Yes [14:46] schestowitz right, got cha [14:47] schestowitz will do that [14:47] schestowitz something like techrights.org/feed-ipfs/ [14:47] vZS1 Yep [14:47] schestowitz I need to hand-craft the xml [14:47] schestowitz will look for plugins/existing code [14:48] schestowitz with gnu tools I can parse output like [14:36] added Qma1Q1kNahagEkgXL7GiboNFEfw1WofSG4qB8nh3nes1Vf techrights-2020-11-05.txt [14:48] schestowitz make a table out of it, then xml [14:49] vZS1 Loads of RSS CLI tools doing [14:49] vZS1 Around* [14:49] schestowitz cheers [14:49] schestowitz will get to work (on it) [14:50] vZS1 Hardest part is done though [14:50] vZS1 You know how to get IPFS working on your own [14:51] schestowitz yup [14:51] schestowitz the manual is excellent [14:51] schestowitz I tried lots of command line options [14:51] vZS1 Which manual? [14:55] schestowitz vZS1: the one you wrote [14:55] schestowitz question [14:55] schestowitz does it seem sensible to: [14:55] schestowitz make a daily post like this: [14:56] vZS1 :D [14:56] schestowitz IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 07, 2020 http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/irc-log-071120/ [14:56] schestowitz BUT... [14:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 07, 2020 | Techrights [14:56] schestowitz for list of daily additions in IPFS [14:56] schestowitz with their CID [14:56] schestowitz This way the main RSS feed will contain and advertise the routes outside the server (direct access) [14:57] vZS1 Yep [14:57] vZS1 Sounds good [14:57] schestowitz I can even lump that into the IRC proceedings posts [14:57] schestowitz to reduce amount of clutter [14:57] schestowitz and then the daily text bullets will include in them yesterday's CIDs [14:57] schestowitz *after they had been generated and distributed [14:57] vZS1 Just don't forget to clean up old pins [14:57] vZS1 If you don't need them anymore [14:57] schestowitz so it solves chicken-egg scenario [14:58] schestowitz linking from a non-existing object (yet to exist afterwards0 [14:58] schestowitz all the pins are OK for now [14:58] schestowitz I am going to do a test post, then ping you [14:59] schestowitz can take a while as I need to code things ● Nov 08 [15:03] MinceR El CID [15:07] *Achylles__ (~Achylles@200-100-230-202.dial-up.telesp.net.br) has joined #techrights [15:08] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [15:08] schestowitz ipfs add ~/tr_text_version/* | sed -e 's/added /\\/' | sed -e 's/ /\<\/td\>\/' | sed -e 's/.txt/\ Daily Bulletin<\/tr>/' | sed -e 's/.html/\ IRC log<\/tr>/' [15:08] schestowitz 3.67 MiB / 3.67 MiB [====================================================================================================================================================] 100.00%QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvkirc-log-071120 IRC log [15:08] schestowitz QmQvqA6ysqejvSV4638gYTpxqJsyfQoCgUYzwsYFMa2e3Pirc-log-social-071120 IRC log [15:08] schestowitz QmahmH63tSR7MdY3XT1Vw9Er9KEXcKZ5yWQtBTAXEMckJ6irc-log-techbytes-071120 IRC log [15:09] schestowitz QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHuirc-log-techrights-071120 IRC log [15:09] schestowitz QmerK5cUxT2GJqRGjfcA5SJAkdgp5hbsx5x2WbcQesxGZKtechrights-2020-10-26 Daily Bulletin [15:09] schestowitz QmbuM4HcDHVAHur2fL3mkn1J15v3h6MVo1RTfS3kcU75Uxtechrights-2020-10-27 Daily Bulletin [15:09] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [15:09] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/pu [15:09] schestowitz will need to plug in into tables [15:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Pu [15:09] schestowitz with thead and tbody [15:10] *Achylles_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [15:10] vZS1 Btw, it would be nice to have a file with just the live CIDs [15:11] vZS1 So people can bulk pin [15:11] vZS1 Ah that's the whole point of IPFS anyway [15:11] schestowitz I made that a local script on ~/ [15:11] schestowitz vZS1: that would be the full output of this [15:11] vZS1 You could separate CID by topic, to make it more user friendly [15:12] vZS1 So one page for IRC [15:12] schestowitz could use sort [15:12] schestowitz uniq etc. [15:12] vZS1 One for articles [15:12] vZS1 Etc [15:12] schestowitz ./update-index.sh | grep Bulletin [15:12] schestowitz 3.67 MiB / 3.67 MiB [====================================================================================================================================================] 100.00%QmerK5cUxT2GJqRGjfcA5SJAkdgp5hbsx5x2WbcQesxGZKtechrights-2020-10-26 Daily Bulletin [15:13] schestowitz QmbuM4HcDHVAHur2fL3mkn1J15v3h6MVo1RTfS3kcU75Uxtechrights-2020-10-27 Daily Bulletin [15:13] schestowitz QmSmY7Gsrp5957iWaDi8iSkH8jzVrpyeun3a5385FwFoYdtechrights-2020-10-28 Daily Bulletin [15:13] schestowitz can pipe that to files, this is standard io [15:16] vZS1 Looks good [15:18] schestowitz IRCDATE=$(date --date="$IRCAGE days ago" +"%d%m%y") [15:18] schestowitz echo $IRCDATE [15:18] schestowitz ipfs add ~/tr_text_version/* | sed -e 's/added /\\/' | sed -e 's/ /\<\/td\>\/' | sed -e 's/.txt/\ Daily Bulletin<\/tr>/' | sed -e 's/.html/\ IRC log<\/tr>/' | grep IRC | grep $IRCDATE [15:18] schestowitz now will concatenate with end and start of table, then same for bullets [15:18] schestowitz *bulletins [15:22] schestowitz cat 071120.html [15:22] schestowitz 071120 [15:22] schestowitz Description [15:22] schestowitz [15:22] schestowitz [15:22] schestowitz [15:22] schestowitz [15:22] schestowitz
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QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvkirc-log-071120 IRC log
QmQvqA6ysqejvSV4638gYTpxqJsyfQoCgUYzwsYFMa2e3Pirc-log-social-071120 IRC log
QmahmH63tSR7MdY3XT1Vw9Er9KEXcKZ5yWQtBTAXEMckJ6irc-log-techbytes-071120 IRC log
QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHuirc-log-techrights-071120 IRC log
[15:23] schestowitz this is the output to the file, just need to paste that into the IRC proceedings, let's try.. [15:24] schestowitz vZS1: should these be turned into hyperlinks of some kind, like QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu ? [15:24] schestowitz I don't know how people access/use ipfs clients [15:24] CrystalMath heh, a lot of people say it's complicated [15:26] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:27] vZS1 Keep the index with HTTP gateway links and plain CIDs [15:27] vZS1 Just keep the index in a format that's easy to parse [15:28] vZS1 So you give people the option to consume in whichever way they want [15:28] vZS1 Browser or IPFS client [15:29] schestowitz ok, done: http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/irc-log-071120/ [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 07, 2020 | Techrights [15:29] schestowitz see bottom section, automatically generated, from a file [15:31] schestowitz starting tomorrow the CSS and images in the irc log files will be functional [15:31] schestowitz don't want to re-generated yesterday's [15:31] vZS1 That's fair [15:31] schestowitz *re-generate [15:31] vZS1 Btw [15:31] schestowitz vZS1: I can add a link to today's text bulletin as well, both as html and cid [15:32] schestowitz they're consistently named for html, so... [15:32] vZS1 Any HTML tags to say an element is an IPFS CID would be helpful [15:32] schestowitz can you suggest the tag? [15:32] vZS1 That way people can algorithmically grab CIDs a lot easier [15:32] vZS1 ipfs-cid [15:32] schestowitz class-""? [15:33] schestowitz class="ipfs-cid"? [15:33] scientes class is . and id is # [15:33] vZS1 Yeah [15:33] vZS1 I think I meant class [15:33] scientes .class #id [15:33] schestowitz scientes: which one better? [15:33] vZS1 God it's been a long time since I did anything HTML lol [15:33] schestowitz it's going to be hard-coded into bash [15:33] scientes schestowitz, probably id [15:33] schestowitz ok [15:34] schestowitz so ? [15:34] scientes yeah [15:34] schestowitz ok [15:34] scientes then you can match in js with $("#ipfs-cid").blah()... [15:35] scientes assuming you are sane and use jQuery [15:35] vZS1 I don't think td is the right one [15:35] vZS1 What's the right way to do semantic HTML [15:35] vZS1 For an element [15:35] scientes tables are fine if you doing table-based data [15:36] scientes but otherwise use
[15:36] scientes and [15:36] vZS1 Someone was talking about this before [15:37] vZS1 schestowitz: I think class is the right one [15:42] vZS1 Yeah. Definitely class [15:44] schestowitz QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvk IRC log-071120 IRC log [15:44] schestowitz QmQvqA6ysqejvSV4638gYTpxqJsyfQoCgUYzwsYFMa2e3P IRC log-social-071120 IRC log [15:44] schestowitz QmahmH63tSR7MdY3XT1Vw9Er9KEXcKZ5yWQtBTAXEMckJ6 IRC log-techbytes-071120 IRC log [15:44] schestowitz QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu IRC log-techrights-071120 IRC log [15:44] schestowitz id is unique [15:44] schestowitz class if for coupe [15:44] schestowitz groups [15:44] schestowitz so I will change to class [15:46] schestowitz stay classy: [15:46] schestowitz QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvk IRC log-071120 (full IRC log) [15:50] schestowitz doing the bulletin live link and cid part [15:55] *tr_guest|29593 (3e0b36bc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.62.11.54.188) has joined #techrights [15:56] *tr_guest|29593 has quit (Client Quit) [15:57] schestowitz echo '

Bulletin for Yesterday

' >> $IRCDATE.html [15:57] schestowitz IRCFULLDATE=$(date --date="$IRCAGE days ago" "+%A, %d, %Y") [15:57] schestowitz IRCDATEFILE=techrights-$(date --date="$IRCAGE days ago" +"%Y-%m-%d").txt [15:57] schestowitz echo -n 'Local, IPFS' >> $IRCDATE.html [15:57] schestowitz just need to grab cid for each prior day now and plug that in ● Nov 08 [16:01] schestowitz ipfs add ~/tr_text_version/* | grep .txt | grep $IRCDATEFILE [16:01] schestowitz 3.67 MiB / 3.67 MiB [====================================================================================================================================================] 100.00%added QmZ3Yy7uWVtMyGfgaCQYtpcJZBxS2LoLEFZPgRSiYBF73w techrights-2020-11-07.txt [16:04] schestowitz | cut -d\ -f 2 [16:14] schestowitz ok, all done, all automated: http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/irc-log-071120/ [16:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 07, 2020 | Techrights [16:14] schestowitz now it shows a working link to the bulletin (static, dated) and CID for it [16:14] schestowitz after the IRC section [16:14] schestowitz vZS1: does that work ok for you over rss? [16:15] schestowitz the CID is enclosed within span with the suitable class [16:24] MinceR https://digitalsynopsis.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/funny-letter-spacing-kerning-fails-1.jpg [16:36] schestowitz vZS1: just tested OK, will see if it's fully reproducible tomorrow [16:36] schestowitz maybe will make a complete index file too somewhere [16:36] schestowitz for all objects [16:37] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:38] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:43] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20090337 [16:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4865821) [16:49] schestowitz the same can be said about money things [16:54] CrystalMath MinceR: after doing more research of early 2010s Trump i conclude that he is indeed a true republican, tied with the rest of the party, so i take it back that he's not really a republican; just wanted to admit you were right there [16:55] MinceR thanks ● Nov 08 [17:02] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FlightGear 2020.3 Released with New Default Keflavk (BIKF) Airport [Ubuntu PPA] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144113#comment-27088 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c7e79977-ed8e-4c9c-9673-29451350bb49] [17:05] schestowitz corporate parties are similar [17:05] schestowitz Microsoft backs both [17:05] *Achylles__ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:05] schestowitz just tax neither Micrsooft nor Gates [17:05] schestowitz and don't do that "antitrust" thing again [17:06] schestowitz that's what US politics boils down to for businesses [17:06] MinceR (video) (audio:important) https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/no-biden-did-not-brag-about-committing-voter-fraud/2020/11/04/dadb8616-3718-45a1-baeb-7c2fa50c7aa7_video.html [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | No, Biden did not brag about committing voter fraud - The Washington Post [17:10] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: More votes in from Lake County. [17:10] DaemonFC[m] The prosecutor that went after me last year is defeated. [17:11] schestowitz this is why humanity is screwed [17:11] schestowitz many people think bill gates created covid19, biden gloated about election rigging, michelle obama is a dude and so on [17:11] DaemonFC[m] I'm registered to vote at my new address for next year's municipal election. [17:11] DaemonFC[m] I'm going to vote in the primary to replace Mayor Cunningham with his opponent, Miguel Rivera. If Cunningham survives the primary, I'm going to vote for that Republican lady. [17:12] DaemonFC[m] Cunningham works with ICE and has numerous sexual assault complaints against him that the Waukegan Police won't even investigate. [17:12] DaemonFC[m] So I'll hold my nose and vote Republican if I have to, on this. [17:13] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The local newspaper published my op-ed urging Lake County to vote for Eric Rinehart for State's Attorney. [17:13] schestowitz :-) [17:13] *asusbox2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:14] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:14] DaemonFC[m] I went into a litany of grievances against how Mike Nerheim was failing to handle the crime problem in Lake County. [17:15] *XRevan86 was thinking about the state-owned search engines and remembered that the previous one was called Sputnik. [17:15] XRevan86 fantasy levels are to the max [17:16] DaemonFC[m] Waukegan has had....a lot of bad mayors. [17:16] DaemonFC[m] We've had 5 apparently since 2001. [17:16] DaemonFC[m] None of them win re-election. [17:17] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: All of Trump's sabotage wasn't enough to "win". [17:17] DaemonFC[m] So now he's grousing and talking about lawsuits that will be laughed out of court and recounts that aren't going to change jack shit for him, but might succeed in causing other Republicans to lose. [17:19] DaemonFC[m] This is really rather pathetic, not only that he couldn't cheat enough to "win", but now that he's trying to openly pull a fraud on the courts that is being thrown out by judges of both parties. [17:19] DaemonFC[m] Just lose with some dignity and leave. You know? [17:20] MinceR did he ever have dignity? [17:20] DaemonFC[m] Illinois saw the USPS sabotage and changed the law to allow for any ballot postmarked by election day to count as long as it arrives within 2 weeks. [17:20] DaemonFC[m] So it shouldn't affect our state elections too much. [17:23] DaemonFC[m] So there could still be a few out there that reach the county clerks. [17:23] DaemonFC[m] It was the mail in ballots where Mike Nerheim lost the State's Attorney race. [17:23] DaemonFC[m] Because he was over 4,000 votes ahead on election day. [17:25] DaemonFC[m] https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/IL/Lake/105841/web.264614/#/detail/0325 [17:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-results.enr.clarityelections.com | Election Night Reporting [17:26] DaemonFC[m] It looks like so far Eric Rinehart has beaten him by about 1,029 votes out of 269,447 total. [17:27] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: He promised to come down hard on violent crime. [17:28] DaemonFC[m] That's exactly what we've been missing which is why they're all out there just doing shit all the time when they could have an all expenses paid trip downstate. [17:29] DaemonFC[m] I also liked his police reform plan, although I imagine the police don't. [17:30] DaemonFC[m] They don't like to be reformed. They like operating as an unaccountable mob just fine thank you very much. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] I think we're just taking out the trash, honestly. [17:33] CrystalMath schestowitz: i don't believe in any of those things but i still want Trump to win [17:34] CrystalMath just because i hate democrats, i hate their lynch mobs, their politically correct pieces of crap, etc... [17:34] DaemonFC[m] I think we've had enough of both crime running rampant and systemic corruption of the police. [17:34] DaemonFC[m] I don't think that's an either/or issue myself. [17:34] CrystalMath i can't stand democrats and i think they're destroying the whole world [17:35] DaemonFC[m] Trump was literally destroying the world. [17:35] CrystalMath how? [17:35] DaemonFC[m] Like MinceR said, turning it into Venus 2 with his environmental protection rollbacks, for starters. [17:35] CrystalMath listen, all the death in the world is not as bad as the destruction of freedom [17:36] CrystalMath i would personally blow up this planet before allowing it to fall to surveillance and control [17:36] MinceR CrystalMath: you don't mind Patriotic Correctness then? [17:36] CrystalMath absolutely death is preferable to a life without privacy or slavery [17:36] CrystalMath and it's not even a contest [17:36] CrystalMath death wins by a landslide [17:36] CrystalMath death is actually the end of suffering, and i generally don't have a negative view of it at all [17:37] MinceR cheeto hitler is more authoritarian than biden [17:37] CrystalMath the more words i hear from democrats the more i like death, in fact [17:37] CrystalMath who did Trump throw in jail over bullcrap because he hated how he thinks? [17:38] CrystalMath name even one person Trump unfairly locked up [17:38] CrystalMath or killed, if you have such an example [17:39] CrystalMath just name one authoritarian thing Trump did [17:39] CrystalMath not related to death or potential death, but loss of freedom [17:39] CrystalMath just one [17:40] CrystalMath you can't, can you? [17:42] DaemonFC[m] The worst part about Trump losing will be the inevitable pardons of the human trash. [17:43] DaemonFC[m] But that would have happened anyway, just after 4 more years of irreparable damage to the entire country. [17:43] CrystalMath you still can't answer my question [17:43] CrystalMath when did Trump do even one single thing to limit the freedom of americans? [17:44] DaemonFC[m] Well, he's trying to infringe on my legal right to sponsor my spouse. [17:44] CrystalMath how? [17:44] MinceR he installed a supreme court judge who is a christian fundamentalist and will attack uhmericans' human rights every chance she gets [17:44] DaemonFC[m] The law is pretty black and white saying I have the right to do that as an American, and Trump is putting up all the obstacles he can. [17:44] CrystalMath MinceR: speculation [17:45] CrystalMath MinceR: Amy Coney Barrett did no such thing and said no such thing [17:45] DaemonFC[m] From the public charge regulation that will be backed out now, to the immigration bureaucrats rejecting forms with blank lines that it told you not to fill out. [17:45] MinceR CrystalMath: she's well known [17:45] DaemonFC[m] Immigration attorneys are saying put in "N/A" or "Does not apply." or something on blank lines even if the instructions say leave them blank. [17:45] MinceR he also promoted other authoritarians in an effort to normalize authoritarianism [17:45] CrystalMath MinceR: that's not a good argument, tbh, she neither holds a lot of power nor wants to hold a lot of power, she specifically said she wants to reduce the power of the supreme court [17:46] MinceR so she's a liar like twitler [17:46] MinceR what a surprise [17:46] CrystalMath what's your evidence for that accusation? [17:46] schestowitz vZS1: http://techrights.org/ipfs/ [17:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [17:46] schestowitz generated by script ./complete-index.sh [17:47] DaemonFC[m] What immigration is doing to American citizens is paper terrorism more than anything else. [17:47] CrystalMath this is exactly the ridiculous stuff democrats say... "she's well known", "she must be lying" "who cares if she's literally Mother Theresa, i don't like her, and that means she's bad" [17:47] DaemonFC[m] Because Trump is limited in how he can change the law, but he can have them say "You weren't specific enough on this form.". [17:47] DaemonFC[m] Even when it's total bullshit. [17:47] DaemonFC[m] Well, for a couple more months he can. [17:47] DaemonFC[m] Buh Bye! [17:47] DaemonFC[m] Buh bye now! [17:48] DaemonFC[m] :) [17:48] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: i'm trying to figure out what your issue is [17:48] CrystalMath i was doing that the whole time in another thread, while talking to MinceR [17:48] DaemonFC[m] Mostly though I just don't like him because he's an obnoxious jerk, and because of Mike Pence. [17:48] DaemonFC[m] Who is so creepy he'd give Norman Bates the screaming willies. [17:48] CrystalMath i don't think Trump is behind the anti-immigration sentiment [17:49] DaemonFC[m] He is. [17:49] CrystalMath no, i think it's the american people [17:49] DaemonFC[m] He only makes exceptions for the rich ones. [17:49] DaemonFC[m] And that's not something the law lets him do. [17:49] CrystalMath the american people are somewhat xenophobic [17:49] DaemonFC[m] Public Charge was meant to apply to cash benefits, really. [17:49] scientes crystal meth zenophobix [17:49] DaemonFC[m] He changed it in ways that were not intended by Congress. [17:49] DaemonFC[m] And now Biden will have to write up a new regulation. [17:49] CrystalMath scientes: don't look at me, i'm not an american [17:50] scientes and only usonian american people [17:50] scientes CrystalMath, it was a pun [17:50] scientes have you even seen someone high on meth? [17:50] DaemonFC[m] You want to change the law, why don't you try winning Congress? [17:50] CrystalMath scientes: not in person [17:50] CrystalMath scientes: i talked to some on IRC [17:50] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett#Abortion [17:50] DaemonFC[m] Congress never changed any of those laws. Trump just decided to torture them with shitty regulations that are so bad that the Supreme Court tossed many out because they didn't even satisfy the bare minimum for rulemaking standards. [17:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Amy Coney Barrett - Wikipedia [17:50] schestowitz MELANIA divorces Trump [17:51] schestowitz did anyone mention it here alreadu? [17:51] MinceR a protege of scalia, who was another christian fundamentalist [17:51] schestowitz Donald is SINGLE, ladies... [17:51] DaemonFC[m] They never ruled on the substance of many of Trump's regulations. [17:51] DaemonFC[m] They said they couldn't get that far because he violated the Administrative Procedures Act and would need to start over. [17:51] schestowitz Donald is SINGLE, ladies... want to marry an obese man with billion in debt and many incoming lawsuits? [17:51] DaemonFC[m] So they threw them out because he didn't even bother to follow a law that says how you make the rule in the first place. [17:52] MinceR there's also a very boring article on ACB on nytimes.com, which is mostly about how christian she is [17:52] DaemonFC[m] So his administration is as stupid as they are clumsy and that's why they didn't do more damage than they did. [17:52] DaemonFC[m] Then Kolfage and Bannon are going to prison. [17:52] MinceR which is really disgusting -- despite the alleged separation of church and state, public figures keep parading their own religion around as if we're supposed to elect them on that basis [17:53] MinceR (not only in uhmerica) [17:53] DaemonFC[m] Trump isn't going to pardon them. He's the one that got on the phone with Bill Barr and had the Postal Inspectors arrest them in the first place. [17:53] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: so what you're saying is that they sabotaged legal immigration? [17:53] DaemonFC[m] Even if he did, the states could get them. [17:53] DaemonFC[m] CrystalMath: Yes, I'm not pro-illegal immigration as such. [17:54] DaemonFC[m] I just think there's nothing I can say strongly against it anymore because the legal method has been sabotaged so badly and in ways that are clearly not even lawful actions by the president. [17:54] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: and you believe Trump is the source of this issue? [17:54] MinceR https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/amy-coney-barrett-antonin-scalia.html [17:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nymag.com | Amy Coney Barrett Is Even More Extreme Than Antonin Scalia [17:54] DaemonFC[m] I think he disregards the law totally, and therefore I no longer have any opposition to people getting by however they can. [17:55] CrystalMath MinceR: she did not and will not ban abortion, just like Kavanaugh did not and will not ban abortion [17:55] DaemonFC[m] Many of them could have gone through a legal process and can't now, so fuck ICE and I hope they all get dick and cunt rot and die. [17:55] MinceR until the "republicans" manage to push a legal case to the SCOTUS exactly for this purpose [17:55] DaemonFC[m] Well, repealing Roe not only wouldn't make abortion illegal.... [17:55] DaemonFC[m] It wouldn't even change the situation that much. [17:56] MinceR then they won't stop at repealing Roe [17:56] DaemonFC[m] The red states have "regulated" the clinics pretty much out of business anyway and what we have going on is states like Illinois building more clinics a mile across the state line. [17:56] CrystalMath i think that what they want is to let democracy decide the laws, not some court judges [17:56] DaemonFC[m] So just as many abortions, but maybe you have to travel. [17:57] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: when there's a will, there's a way [17:57] MinceR do they also keep reminding you that hitler was elected democratically? [17:57] DaemonFC[m] In exit polls from the election, 52% of Americans say abortion should be totally legal or legal in most cases. [17:57] DaemonFC[m] A very small percentage said always illegal. [17:57] CrystalMath MinceR: that is NOT an excuse to hate democracy to the extent that you do [17:57] CrystalMath i believe in limiting democracy as well, with constitutional rights [17:57] DaemonFC[m] I would have answered legal in most cases. [17:57] MinceR i don't hate democracy [17:57] CrystalMath MinceR: you said that you don't care if the majority votes for Orban, you want him forced out because it's your will [17:58] DaemonFC[m] It's still largely a state issue even with Roe. [17:58] MinceR but i don't confuse authoritarianism ran by someone who won an election once and then eliminated democracy with actual democracy [17:58] CrystalMath you basically want to impose your will upon others [17:58] MinceR CrystalMath: that's not what i said [17:58] DaemonFC[m] All Roe did was make it impossible for states to ban it completely. [17:58] MinceR stop putting words in my mouth [17:58] MinceR CrystalMath: i said that we don't really know anymore what the majority wants because orban fucked up the system and the press [17:58] DaemonFC[m] Voting is imposing your will upon others. [17:59] MinceR still, that 45% in 2018 suggests that the people don't want him in power [17:59] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: i know, and it's dangerous and a necessary evil, that's why it needs to be controlled by a constitution [17:59] DaemonFC[m] Just slightly under half the population wanted Trump, and I voted and imposed my will upon others, and Biden is the new president. [17:59] CrystalMath MinceR: i know Orban isn't really popular, but it's more the part when you said "Biden should FORCE Orban to leave, or FORCE the EU to get him to leave" [17:59] MinceR it's so typical of "conservatives" to say that winning an election once is sufficient for democracy and wiping out checks and balances (including the constitution) is entirely acceptable and fits within "democracy" ● Nov 08 [18:00] DaemonFC[m] This is a legal mechanism, you know. We're never going to have total agreement on anything, so instead of killing each other in the streets, we go vote, and the ideas that are the most popular tend to prevail. [18:00] MinceR CrystalMath: again, i did not say that [18:00] CrystalMath MinceR: it's more the principle, not the actual situation [18:00] CrystalMath you specifically mentioned soft power [18:00] MinceR CrystalMath: i said that biden should use soft power to push against orban, to put him into less comfortable, less advantageous positions [18:00] DaemonFC[m] Most people will accept the results of a free and fair election even if they were on the losing side of an issue. [18:00] MinceR CrystalMath: and you still don't know what soft power is [18:00] MinceR because you don't care [18:00] DaemonFC[m] We had the argument, you win some you lose some. [18:00] CrystalMath MinceR: i do, and i still think it's horrible [18:01] MinceR yes, like the fall of the previous russian empire was horrible, right? [18:01] MinceR you'd prefer to live in a satellite state of the USSR, wouldn't you? [18:01] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: absolutely, there's just the matter of the software moving Trump votes to Biden in some cases, but we'll see if that's really the case, i don't know [18:02] CrystalMath MinceR: that's clearly external power as well [18:02] CrystalMath MinceR: i would prefer my neighbor as dictator than someone far away bringing "democracy" [18:02] MinceR CrystalMath: orban being a client of putler is external power as well, just one that "conservatives" happen to like [18:02] CrystalMath because i think my neighbor will understand me better, still [18:02] XRevan86 Ukraine disagrees [18:02] MinceR because "conservatives" are horrible fascist scum [18:03] CrystalMath MinceR: i suppose maybe hegemonies are impossible to escape [18:03] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Distance reduces power. [18:03] CrystalMath but i wish they were escapable [18:04] XRevan86 It's much easier to get killed while living next door to a murderer than in a different city to them. [18:05] MinceR the EU could be a better hegemony, one of our own, if it wasn't controlled by fascists [18:05] MinceR (like the EPP and the ACRE) [18:07] CrystalMath i still don't know how i feel about the thought "i wish this other power would intervene so that i get my way instead of these other people" [18:08] MinceR if the EU stopped feeding orban and his cronies, that would already be a step forward [18:08] MinceR and a step they're unwilling to make [18:08] CrystalMath i suppose it's a very human thought, i mean i had it too [18:08] CrystalMath but idk if i can really pass it off as a moral thing [18:09] CrystalMath i mean, actually, it isn't wrong to wish it [18:09] MinceR i guess stopping an intervention also counts as an "intervention" if it's undesirable to "conservatives" [18:09] CrystalMath but it's somewhat undemocratic [18:10] MinceR good to know that taking over the press is not undemocratic [18:10] CrystalMath the press worldwide has gone to hell [18:10] MinceR you still have fox noise and breitbart :> [18:11] CrystalMath that's not what i mean [18:11] CrystalMath there's no middle ground [18:11] CrystalMath there's no objective fair news [18:11] MinceR there is objective fair news [18:11] CrystalMath it's all variants of pseudoreality [18:11] MinceR it's just that the "conservatives" cry about it being biased and unfair because it doesn't praise them 24/7 [18:11] MinceR "reality has a well-known liberal bias" [18:11] CrystalMath Breitbart is just a differnt pseudoreality [18:12] MinceR when the orban government is fucking up with everything, they'd be expected to come up with lies to make them look half good so that you could call them "fair and balanced" [18:12] CrystalMath there's something good about everyone, and something bad about everyone [18:12] MinceR when microshit is fucking up with everything, microshit fanboys demand that i come up with lies to praise microshit, otherwise i'm "biased" and "bashing" them [18:13] MinceR yes, and the thing that's good about people like orban is that they won't live forever [18:13] CrystalMath it's my years of experience struggling with borderline personality disorder that tell me that a bias towards the middle ground is never bad [18:14] CrystalMath in fact it's good to introduce such a bias, even if artificial [18:14] MinceR i prefer the truth to making shit up to create a bias towards the middle ground [18:14] CrystalMath but there is no truth [18:14] MinceR if "conservatives" want to look good, then they'll have to start doing good things [18:14] CrystalMath yes but there is no good [18:14] CrystalMath it's all relative [18:14] MinceR i know, in the world of "alternative facts", there is no truth [18:14] CrystalMath what's good or bad? it's not possible to answer this [18:14] MinceR that's what putler wants you to believe [18:14] CrystalMath because every answer is relative [18:15] CrystalMath no, it's just the philosophy of postmodernism [18:15] MinceR answers being relative only makes authoritarians look even worse [18:15] CrystalMath which i subscribe to [18:15] MinceR because we have only liberals/libertarians to compare them to [18:15] XRevan86 During wartime the value of pi can go as high up as 4 [18:15] MinceR lol [18:15] CrystalMath although i mix it with nihilism [18:15] MinceR i thought bible-humpers decided that it was exactly 3.0 [18:15] MinceR because that's what the world's most overrated fable says [18:16] CrystalMath for astronomic scales pi can be approximated to 10 [18:17] MinceR https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/ [18:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opb.org | Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets - OPB [18:18] XRevan86 MinceR: It's a Soviet joke [18:18] MinceR ah, makes sense then [18:18] MinceR if christians want to round pi down, stalinists would naturally want to round it up, just to be contrarian [18:19] MinceR https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/oregon-officials-decry-arrests-by-federal-agents-in-portland?__twitter_impression=true [18:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pbs.org | Oregon officials decry arrests by federal agents in Portland | PBS NewsHour [18:19] MinceR here's cheeto hitler being totally not authoritarian [18:19] XRevan86 MinceR: Nay, 3.0 is just not as funny [18:20] MinceR here's police brutality and voter suppression in a nice little "conservative" package >> https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/watch-cops-pepper-spray-voters-marching-to-the-polls-in-north-carolina-including-a-5-year-old-girl/amp/?__twitter_impression=true [18:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | WATCH: Cops pepper-spray voters marching to the polls in North Carolina including a 5-year-old girl | Raw Story [18:20] MinceR totally not authoritarian, no sir! [18:20] MinceR oh, forgot "censorship" [18:21] MinceR https://www.hstoday.us/federal-pages/odni/cbp-ice-bids-to-join-intel-community-gain-traction/ [18:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hstoday.us | CBP, ICE Bids to Join Intel Community Gain Traction Homeland Security Today [18:21] XRevan86 MinceR: 3.0 is an approximation that is *actually* used in the army [18:21] MinceR uhmerican army? [18:22] XRevan86 MinceR: Don't know about that, but evidently snipers do approximate calculations to determine how far away a target it [18:23] CrystalMath MinceR: what side was that? [18:23] MinceR hopefully not the engineers though :> [18:23] CrystalMath i mean, whose voters? [18:23] MinceR CrystalMath: voting is supposed to be secret in uhmerica [18:23] CrystalMath NC is usually conservative [18:23] CrystalMath so this was an anti-conservative move [18:24] MinceR the "republican" "thinking" is that a) the fewer people vote the easier it is for the "republicans" to win and b) racial minorities (which "republicans" hate anyway) tend to vote against "republicans" [18:24] CrystalMath Portland is ANTIFA lunatic territory [18:25] CrystalMath MinceR: nonsense! Trump told republicans to vote in person [18:25] CrystalMath democrats voted by mail [18:25] MinceR right, everyone who isn't a card-carrying "republican" is an "antifa lunatic" who should just be kidnapped and killed by goons with unmarked vans [18:25] CrystalMath they're afraid they'll catch the COld [18:25] MinceR or as CrystalMath calls it, "freedom!" [18:25] XRevan86 Did Trump vote democrat by mail? [18:25] CrystalMath coldvid :P [18:26] MinceR NC is currently reported 50.0% twitler, 48.6% biden [18:26] MinceR so no, not everyone in NC votes for cheeto hitler [18:26] CrystalMath well... trump voters were pepper sprayed by police [18:26] CrystalMath maybe that's why [18:26] MinceR i know, it's a minority (even if by a small margin) so it's as if those people never even existed [18:26] CrystalMath democrats just mailed ballots, so they could not be affected [18:26] MinceR not all democrats did [18:27] MinceR didn't DaemonFC[m] say his voting by mail was sabotaged so he ended up voting in person? [18:27] CrystalMath hmm [18:27] CrystalMath well i'm against voting by mail [18:27] MinceR we know [18:27] CrystalMath but i support voting [18:27] CrystalMath and nobody should be prevented [18:27] MinceR the DHA man said voting by mail is fraud, after all [18:27] MinceR and everything he says is literally true, isn't it? [18:27] CrystalMath it opens up to fraud [18:28] CrystalMath i didn't need Trump to know that [18:28] CrystalMath i mean come on [18:28] MinceR especially if he later says the opposite and denies ever saying it [18:28] CrystalMath even if Trump would now say that voting by mail (or worse, online) is good, i would disagree [18:28] MinceR we can't test that :( [18:28] CrystalMath even in person votes get stolen a lot [18:29] MinceR but obviously if there's a higher chance of fraud in voting by mail, the only correct way to fix that is to a) sabotage the USPS and b) try to stop counting votes after election day [18:29] *XRevan86 does agree that complicated voting systems are unfavourable. [18:29] MinceR because changing the rules is totally out of the question [18:29] MinceR right? [18:29] MinceR i mean, changing the rules when there's no election going on [18:30] MinceR you know, like they'd do in a state with rule of law [18:30] MinceR if such states exist at all [18:30] CrystalMath i disagreed with Trump many times, and still do [18:30] CrystalMath his murder of Soleimani was outrageous [18:30] CrystalMath his constant attacks on Iran are horrible [18:30] MinceR ironic how the loudest "LAW AND ORDERRRR!!111" people tend to be the staunchest enemies of rule of law [18:31] XRevan86 MinceR: Ironic, yes. [18:31] CrystalMath i really don't understand why he declared a national emergency regarding covid, especially after already banking on it being nothing [18:31] CrystalMath and even before that there was stuff that i sort of forgave [18:31] CrystalMath oh, yeah, he involved Oracle v. Google to go the wrong way [18:31] CrystalMath *influenced [18:32] MinceR probably because it gave him extra powers [18:32] MinceR that's the only thing orban was interested in [18:32] MinceR https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-china-detention-camp-xinjiang-2020-6 [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com.au | Trump told China's president that building concentration camps for millions of Uighur Muslims was 'exactly the right thing to do,' former adviser says | Business Insider [18:33] CrystalMath yikes [18:33] MinceR maybe if cheeto hitler wins again, he'll build concentration camps in uhmerica, too! [18:33] CrystalMath i must have missed that one, too [18:33] CrystalMath but yeah [18:33] CrystalMath unless maybe it's somehow not true [18:33] CrystalMath oh! i remember now [18:33] CrystalMath that crap he said about mexicans in the beginning [18:33] CrystalMath that was bad [18:33] MinceR if it's bad for twitler, it's obviously FAKE NEWS [18:33] CrystalMath is it, though? [18:34] MinceR that's what his cult says every time [18:34] CrystalMath i mean he could have said it to get votes from the edgy part of his base [18:34] CrystalMath in which case it's still bad [18:34] CrystalMath and of course i still disagree with it [18:35] *tr_guest|68365 (4f9fc732@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.159.199.50) has joined #techrights [18:35] CrystalMath before he became president, there was more [18:36] CrystalMath he insulted Ron Paul on several occasions [18:36] MinceR https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/national-guard-troops-deployed-white-house-trump-calls/story?id=71004151 [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com | Police use munitions to forcibly push back peaceful protesters for Trump church visit - ABC News [18:36] CrystalMath umm, "peaceful protestors" now makes me think of violent antifa BLM mobs [18:36] CrystalMath so i don't have a good impression of this article [18:37] CrystalMath (before reading) [18:37] MinceR yeah, without "peaceful" it would have made you think of violent "republican" mobs, right? [18:37] CrystalMath but why would those attack Trump? [18:37] MinceR obviously only "conservatives" have the right to protest [18:37] CrystalMath BLM is crappy and destroyed innocent people's businesses [18:37] MinceR the freedom to take away your freedom. [18:37] CrystalMath i talked to people who live in Seattle [18:38] CrystalMath that whole CHAZ/CHOP thing was horrible [18:38] MinceR freedom of religion the "conservative" way: "you have the freedom to practice my religion, my way." [18:38] MinceR "but BLM/CHAZ/CHOP" is the new "but her emails"? [18:39] MinceR the more i hear about it the more i suspect it was just trolls the "conservatives" had infiltrate the movement [18:39] CrystalMath they stabbed a black woman [18:39] CrystalMath 3 times in the back [18:39] MinceR yup, keep going [18:39] CrystalMath she was a conservative though, she's a christian anti-abortionist [18:39] CrystalMath i don't agree with her views [18:40] CrystalMath but i don't think her lungs deserved to be pierced [18:40] MinceR was she a self-hating black too? [18:40] CrystalMath no [18:40] MinceR have they found the MAGA cap in the attacker's pocket yet? [18:40] CrystalMath she just defended some old man [18:40] CrystalMath she stood in between some antifa thug and an old white man [18:40] CrystalMath and took 3 stabs [18:41] CrystalMath as far as i'm concerned she's a hero [18:41] CrystalMath i think her name is Beverly something [18:42] *tr_guest|68365 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [18:42] CrystalMath also i heard the old man is a Trump supporter and his son is a member of the "proud boys" [18:43] CrystalMath i don't understand why you won't admit that your side is violent [18:43] MinceR i don't understand why you won't admit that yours is [18:43] CrystalMath well the side i'm defending isn't really my side, although it is violent [18:43] CrystalMath my side is libertarianism [18:43] MinceR which one? [18:44] CrystalMath free market, pro-privacy [18:44] CrystalMath pro-free-software, anti-patent [18:44] CrystalMath and of course, pro-individualist, for individual autonomy [18:44] CrystalMath and generally not being told what to do [18:45] CrystalMath and recently i've adopted a stance to get rid of human supremacy [18:45] MinceR so why do you defend the "republicans"? [18:45] MinceR they're an enemy to you about as much as to me [18:47] CrystalMath well, primarily because i think that with Trump as president, i think that the US will stay out of wars [18:47] CrystalMath that's i think the greatest thing about Trump [18:47] MinceR "jyna" doesn't count? [18:47] CrystalMath as it was about Carter, and even Nixon (he left Vietnam after all) [18:48] MinceR though i guess on the long term, it could work [18:48] CrystalMath funnily enough, the american media mostly hates Carter, Nixon, and Trump [18:48] CrystalMath the only 3 presidents that did not start a war since WW2 [18:48] MinceR "republicans" grab power, ensure that children get only religious brainwashing instead of actual education and that immigrants can't get jobs either => the economy collapses without any trained, intelligent people => people starve to death => can't wage wars anymore! [18:49] CrystalMath and all 3 have been either voted out (Carter), impeached (Trump, Nixon) or removed (Nixon) [18:50] MinceR i do wonder why "jyna" doesn't count though [18:50] CrystalMath that was just tarrifs wasn't it? [18:50] DaemonFC[m] Nixon resigned. [18:50] MinceR trade war, for now [18:50] CrystalMath i mean, if we count that, then there has not been a single US president that didn't wage wars :P [18:50] CrystalMath even Carter had that Iran incident [18:51] MinceR also, Agent Orange's impeachment didn't result in his removal, so it's irrelevant [18:51] DaemonFC[m] Well, that wasn't what did him in. [18:51] DaemonFC[m] Ted Kennedy fractured the party badly by running a primary challenge. [18:52] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: what i think is that the american people love killing non-americans, so they hate presidents that refuse to do so [18:53] MinceR strange [18:53] MinceR i suspect cheeto hitler contributed to the eventual death of many unamericans by helping global warming happen [18:53] MinceR and they don't love him for that? [18:53] CrystalMath too indirect :P [18:54] CrystalMath and besides, that kills americans too [18:54] DaemonFC[m] Nixon didn't start a war because he expanded the one in Vietnam. [18:54] DaemonFC[m] But that's a technicality I guess? [18:54] CrystalMath didn't he end the vietnam one? [18:54] CrystalMath i mean Lyndon Johnson was the biggest expander as far as i remember [18:55] MinceR wars kill uhmericans too [18:55] CrystalMath hmm, yeah i haven't figured out why they don't mind losing [18:55] CrystalMath as long as there's a war [18:55] DaemonFC[m] Nixon fumbled with it a lot ad incompetently handled it and then we lost. [18:56] schestowitz oh [18:56] schestowitz we're in the front page of HN [18:56] schestowitz that explains the influx of traffic [18:56] schestowitz https://twitter.com/betterhn20/status/1325512082385739784 [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@betterhn20: Large Corporations Arent Going to Save the Real Linux Community https://t.co/yMOLUxDPDw (https://t.co/dA9xYUUBzG) [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2020/11/08/faking-communities/ ) [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.ycombinator.com | Large Corporations Arent Going to Save the Real Linux Community | Hacker News [18:56] CrystalMath oh, interestng [18:56] CrystalMath *interesting [18:59] *schestowitz has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:59] *schestowitz (~schestowi@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:59] -NickServ-schestowitz!~schestowi@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [18:59] *schestowitz has quit (Changing host) [18:59] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights ● Nov 08 [19:02] CrystalMath MinceR: also, as any true libertarian, i oppose covid lockdowns [19:02] CrystalMath then again, Trump doesn't [19:03] CrystalMath that doesn't mean that in the case of a virus, especially a dangerous virus, people shouldn't be careful not to infect people on their own [19:03] MinceR i find every measure the government of nazi hungary tried so far against COVID-19 to be pointless at best and usually harmful so far [19:03] MinceR so it would indeed have been better if they did nothing [19:03] CrystalMath but i definitely believe in Sweden's approach [19:04] MinceR humans should be intelligent enough to listen to recommendations made by scientists and not need orders from states [19:04] CrystalMath Sweden did have the libertarian approach this year [19:04] MinceR of course they aren't, and that may lead to their extinction [19:04] CrystalMath though i think the virus getting into old folks' homes could have been prevented [19:04] CrystalMath after all that's the one group of people you're supposed to protect [19:04] CrystalMath "you had one job..." [19:06] MinceR actually people with chronic diseases are also at risk [19:06] CrystalMath and people with a specific mutation in TLR7 [19:07] CrystalMath idk how people with late-phase untreated HIV handle it [19:07] MinceR probably not well [19:08] CrystalMath but they might not be able to handle the viral load, despite the lack of immune-caused destruction [19:18] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Customize Xfce Desktop for Modern Look and Productivity http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144132 [https://pleroma.site/objects/edb021f8-4632-4370-9f97-5c867af54c43] [19:19] MinceR (cat) (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/a92d4bd964e932bf.mp4 [19:21] XRevan86 MinceR: amka [19:21] XRevan86 am-am-om-nom-nom [19:22] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:23] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [19:23] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New GIMP Unstable Build Lets You Test Features Coming in GIMP 3.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144101#comment-27089 [https://pleroma.site/objects/131f7a62-8ed7-4f7a-b3c1-82809f4a6a6b] [19:25] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Weekly Roundup: GIMP 2.99.2, LXQt 0.16.0, Sparky Linux 5.13 and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144135 [https://pleroma.site/objects/709ca655-5bd5-4b63-9079-ef431b5b24f5] [19:27] vZS1 schestowitz: had a look at the CID index over on techright.org/ipfs. Good first step. [19:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: my new Desktop Computer for a GNU/Linux digital-painting workstation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144136 [https://pleroma.site/objects/19190ab1-d3dc-42ca-bdf2-1639b6f3a143] [19:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kate is soon 20 years old! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144137 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1b2f2937-9cd4-42bf-80d4-7424f62e2342] [19:29] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144138 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines #News [https://pleroma.site/objects/be3aaae9-b911-4357-9a7b-9ad0d9c74c23] [19:32] schestowitz vZS1: more in http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/irc-log-071120/ [19:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 07, 2020 | Techrights [19:36] vZS1 Don't forget you can read stuff with a straight `ipfs cat CID | less` [19:39] vZS1 It would be nice to have a text file without any HTML. [19:40] vZS1 Just with a simple format of "CID DESCRIPTION" [19:42] vZS1 But I guess the HTML will be more friendly for the blind [19:45] CrystalMath how is html better for the blind? [19:45] CrystalMath you can just do espeak text.txt [19:52] vZS1 schestowitz: A simple index with `printf "%s %s\n" ${CID} ${DESCRIPTION}` [19:53] vZS1 That way adding a big list of pins for a reader is trivial. ● Nov 08 [20:13] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc0f:7c00:9d78:8894:8f6f:9e9d) has joined #techrights [20:19] *zjmc_ (~jmc@184.75.221.3) has joined #techrights [20:21] vZS1 I pinged the whole index locally. It's only about 8M of data [20:22] vZS1 pinned* [20:22] vZS1 Made a plaintext version of the index for now manually. [20:25] vZS1 `$ for i in $(cut -d ' ' -f 1 < ~/techrights_ipfs_index.txt); do ipfs pin add "${i}"; done` [20:25] vZS1 That's how I pinned the full thing. [20:46] DaemonFC[m] https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/engel-world-reacted-to-biden-win-like-u-s-overthrew-a-dictator-95527493828 [20:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msnbc.com | Engel: World reacted to Biden win like U.S. overthrew a dictator [20:47] smnthermes https://theoutline.com/post/4653/the-internet-s-collective-memory-is-unstable-as-hell [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theoutline.com | The Wayback Machines archives could be deleted with the click of a button | The Outline [20:48] smnthermes This is worrying [20:51] vZS1 I don't see what's so worrying [20:51] vZS1 If someone took your data without your consent, they should delete it upon your request [20:53] vZS1 Just because someone posts their data on the internet doesn't mean that data no longer belongs to the person that posted it. [20:58] *willyg_cos (~willyg_co@96.44.189.195.adsl.inet-telecom.org) has joined #techrights ● Nov 08 [21:02] smnthermes Not when someone requests to delete info which isn't related to his/her personal life [21:03] vZS1 Data ownership isn't that simple [21:04] vZS1 Someone can own data that isn't related to their person. [21:04] vZS1 A company is also considered a person [21:07] vZS1 In that link some entity asked for their data to be removed from the internet archive. I don't see what the issue is. [21:07] vZS1 If the archive refused, they'd actually open themselves up to a lot of possible legal action. [21:14] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:26] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I always groan when I hear people say they don't vote because 1 vote doesn't change anything. [21:27] DaemonFC[m] While it's rare that elections deadlock or get decided by one vote, it's not at all rare that the loser of a close election demands a recount, and maybe they get enough votes voided to win. Besides, what would happen if everyone said that? [21:28] DaemonFC[m] In 2016, people said well I didn't vote because Hillary Clinton would probably win, and then we got Trump for four years. [21:28] DaemonFC[m] Not because any particular person didn't vote, but because millions of people collectively said what difference does it make. [21:29] DaemonFC[m] It's dumb to assume anything. [21:30] DaemonFC[m] What if the final count between even a local election, which matters to you, is so close that the candidate you don't want successfully challenges enough ballots? You not only have to win, you have to anticipate the loser demanding a recount and lawyers arguing over every single ballot. [21:30] vZS1 DaemonFC[m]: my parliamentary constituency had ~30 vote margin to decide the winner. [21:30] DaemonFC[m] It's going to be a lot harder for Trump to challenge 10,350 in Georgia or whatever the case may be than if it was 100. [21:31] vZS1 The first count was challenged [21:31] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, we get a lot of danger close elections in Lake County. [21:31] vZS1 Two recounts happened [21:31] DaemonFC[m] In 2018, the Republican Sheriff won, the Democrat demanded a recount, and the Democrat ended up winning by 136 votes. [21:32] DaemonFC[m] Because they looked harder and saw that some more provisionals should have been counted and were not. [21:32] vZS1 Yep. Every vote counts. I make sure to remind all my friends and family to vote. I got most of them on postal votes [21:32] DaemonFC[m] Then the Sheriff that lost ran for US Senator this year in Illinois and lost to Dick Durbin in a huge landslide. [21:32] vZS1 Makes it much easier for them to vote by post [21:33] DaemonFC[m] Durbin is one of those people who will never lose a Senate election in Illinois short of saying ketchup belongs on a hotdog. [21:33] vZS1 Lol [21:33] DaemonFC[m] So running against him is sort of like why do it. [21:35] vZS1 Dennis Skinner in the UK had a similar situation [21:35] vZS1 He passed away a year or two ago [21:35] DaemonFC[m] https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pritzker-other-top-democrats-want-madigan-out-as-party-leader/ [21:35] vZS1 Decades of electoral success [21:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.illinoispolicy.org | Pritzker, other top Democrats want Madigan out as party leader [21:35] DaemonFC[m] Madigan said he's not going anywhere. [21:35] DaemonFC[m] (Except to prison.) [21:36] DaemonFC[m] The feds are going to bust him before Trump leaves. You heard it here first. [21:36] CrystalMath Pritzker is that moron that locked up Illinois? [21:37] DaemonFC[m] Trump is extremely angry at everyone who had anything to do with making the political career of Obama (especially now that Biden is a spin-off from Obama's presidency). [21:37] CrystalMath that guy deserves to rot forever [21:37] DaemonFC[m] I voted for Pritzker. [21:37] DaemonFC[m] There were no other choices really at that point. [21:37] DaemonFC[m] Bruce Rauner was a terrible governor and I just didn't see how it could possibly get worse. [21:37] DaemonFC[m] Although in the primary, I voted for Daniel Biss. [21:38] DaemonFC[m] Rauner had a 16% approval rating in Illinois when he left office. [21:38] CrystalMath that was a republican? [21:38] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, he was. And if Illinois wasn't teetering on bankruptcy before him, it sure was after him. [21:39] DaemonFC[m] He managed to shut down the state government, which didn't save money. What it did was force the state to limp along on court orders and continuing appropriations while its bills went unpaid. [21:39] DaemonFC[m] Which triggered a state law requiring the state to eventually pay everything that backed up at 12% interest, which is more than double the rate the state usually borrows at. [21:39] CrystalMath okay so indeed there was no choice [21:40] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, the 12% law was so that banks would step up and pay the state's vendors because they knew eventually they'd get the double interest, and theoretically it pushes the state government to pass a tax and spending bill. [21:41] DaemonFC[m] Except Rauner refused to sign anything, even when Mike Madigan started to offer some concessions. [21:41] DaemonFC[m] So Bruce Rauner ended up costing Illinois taxpayers over $16.8 billion in additional interest vs. not shutting down the government. [21:42] DaemonFC[m] And that was only with the partial shutdown of 2 years, because the state still didn't have money and then Republicans ended up overriding his veto of a budget and a 20% income tax hike to get the state running again. [21:42] CrystalMath the worst governor in the US is Gretchen Whitmer [21:42] CrystalMath better known as Gretchen Hitler [21:43] CrystalMath what is it with people whose last name ends in "er"? [21:43] CrystalMath why are they always fascists [21:43] DaemonFC[m] I'd preface everything in American politics as "The worst one, as these things tend to go.". [21:43] CrystalMath okay, except for Carter :P [21:43] DaemonFC[m] I'd say that Carter is a generally decent man, and wasn't a terrible president. [21:44] DaemonFC[m] He got it much worse than he deserved. [21:44] CrystalMath agreed [21:44] DaemonFC[m] He was upstaged by a charismatic Hollywood actor with no fixed set of morals. [21:44] CrystalMath did you even known that Michigan banned the sale of fresh fruit and vegetables because of covid? [21:44] DaemonFC[m] I mean, Reagan signed that abortion bill in California. [21:44] DaemonFC[m] How does that protect you from COVID? Sounds like that's bad for the immune system. [21:45] CrystalMath ask Gretchen Hitler [21:45] CrystalMath she's a democrat btw [21:45] DaemonFC[m] The funny part is that my dad and mom were christening Trump to be the second coming of Ronald Reagan. [21:45] CrystalMath i was tempted to do so 3 years ago [21:46] CrystalMath but he's more like the second coming of Nixon :P [21:46] DaemonFC[m] Which is hilarious. Trump never worked with Congress and his achievements were mostly bullshit and scaring dumb people. You know. [21:46] CrystalMath it's just that people desperately need a Reagan [21:46] CrystalMath so they're seeing him anywhere [21:46] DaemonFC[m] That was his whole re-election thing. Black people and Mexicans are coming to your white town to burn your house down and rape you. [21:46] DaemonFC[m] And it's ridiculous. [21:47] DaemonFC[m] Presidents who don't get along with Congress generally don't achieve much of anything that lasts. [21:47] DaemonFC[m] So you either find a way to get along or your whole presidency turns into a pumpkin at noon on January 20th of whenever you leave. Biden has hundreds of executive orders ready to sign. [21:47] CrystalMath indeed, as soon as i tried to get into the idea that Trump is a new Reagan i noticed the dissonance [21:48] DaemonFC[m] Well, Reagan won both of his elections by huge and undeniable margins. [21:48] DaemonFC[m] Regardless of how you feel about him. [21:48] DaemonFC[m] Both were bigger than Trump's and he only lost Minnesota and DC in '84. [21:49] DaemonFC[m] Trump's presidency was ended because the voter consensus was "Okay, this is terrible. Time for something...anything else.". [21:49] DaemonFC[m] Picking off an incumbent president is a real uphill battle. [21:49] DaemonFC[m] So even doing it narrowly means you deserve some credit for that. [21:50] CrystalMath well things have been going great before covid [21:50] CrystalMath i don't think Trump did a bad job [21:50] DaemonFC[m] Incumbents just have a lot of advantages. They're there. They're a known factor. Most people don't usually see a reason to change horses midstream. They can pull a lot of stunts, like Trump signing the stimulus checks and sending those $200 Medicare cards to people with his signature on them. [21:51] DaemonFC[m] That ought to last about 5 seconds, but hey. Taxpayers had to fund that. [21:51] DaemonFC[m] That's staggering corruption. [21:51] DaemonFC[m] A one time $200 medicare drug coupon with his signature timed to get there right before an election? [21:51] CrystalMath that was during covid [21:51] DaemonFC[m] Come on. :) [21:52] DaemonFC[m] He also said he had more plans to end legal immigration. [21:52] CrystalMath what? [21:52] DaemonFC[m] I'm happy to disappoint him, and his voters. [21:52] CrystalMath "legal"? [21:52] CrystalMath i don't believe he said that [21:52] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, he said more immigration regulations coming to follow public charge and the end of DACA he said, in a second term. [21:52] DaemonFC[m] I heard that and was like nope nope nope. [21:52] CrystalMath okay but DACA is about illegals isn't it? [21:53] DaemonFC[m] If he had left immigration and the ACA alone pretty much I may not have opposed him. [21:53] DaemonFC[m] DACA is kind of a gray area. [21:53] CrystalMath more immigration regulations is bad, anway [21:53] CrystalMath *anyway [21:53] DaemonFC[m] Legally, it's a deferred deportation program which is authorized by INA. [21:53] DaemonFC[m] USCIS can defer deportation as long as it feels like. [21:54] CrystalMath hmm [21:54] DaemonFC[m] So there's nothing illegal about DACA, but as an executive order it's really up to the president, which makes it in danger. [21:54] CrystalMath well being a libertarian my priority is not with preventing immigration at all [21:54] DaemonFC[m] Trump tried ending it and it got bogged down in court. [21:54] CrystalMath so i have no opinion on DACA [21:54] DaemonFC[m] And the Supreme Court will never hear it now because they can't get to it while the federal government is still trying to shut it down. [21:55] DaemonFC[m] I happen to agree with DACA because it's about people who arrived as children. [21:55] DaemonFC[m] Most went to US schools and only know English and they didn't come here and violate the law. [21:56] DaemonFC[m] You only break the law if you cross the border intentionally, and if you're 2 years old and your parents are carrying you over one....... [21:56] DaemonFC[m] It's also a misdemeanor even if you did it on purpose. [21:56] DaemonFC[m] So it is unlawful presence, but that's a civil issue. [21:57] DaemonFC[m] But since DACA is an executive order, it'll be in danger every time the White House flips to the Republicans, and they may not be able to stall it out in court next time. [21:59] DaemonFC[m] But for the next 4 years, it won't be in danger. [21:59] DaemonFC[m] Biden will terminate the order that rescinded it and stop appealing that it should be overturned. [21:59] DaemonFC[m] The Supreme Court can't take up a case that doesn't exist. ● Nov 08 [22:01] CrystalMath Biden won't pardon Assange [22:01] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Sxhkd, Boiling Steam, Do Open Source Projects Ignore You? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144142 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d9b714b9-64cc-4238-ad11-0a86b372346a] [22:03] CrystalMath and Assange is a hero [22:03] CrystalMath he might even get executed by the US government under Biden [22:03] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:03] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144143 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8c041f28-3a26-4a1e-a24d-af30326f7f90] [22:05] schestowitz https://twitter.com/devbisme/status/1325537443815239681 [22:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@devbisme: Interesting fact: Joe spent 80% of his money ($625M) on media buys. That's why you'll never, ever have campaign fin https://t.co/KQURJu1sNy [22:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@devbisme: Interesting fact: Joe spent 80% of his money ($625M) on media buys. That's why you'll never, ever have campaign fin https://t.co/KQURJu1sNy [22:05] schestowitz " [22:05] schestowitz Interesting fact: Joe spent 80% of his money ($625M) on media buys. That's why you'll never, ever have campaign finance reform. Never. Ever. [22:05] schestowitz Who President Biden is Indebted to [22:05] schestowitz " [22:07] schestowitz [19:36] Don't forget you can read stuff with a straight `ipfs cat CID | less` [22:07] schestowitz Thanks, can add that also [22:11] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144141 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c739e19d-0d57-499c-b194-f388d100535f] [22:12] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [22:12] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:13] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian 11 Bullseye Freezes Coming Up, Debian 13 To Be Trixie http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144140 [https://pleroma.site/objects/23a0cbfc-45b1-4034-ae84-eb65759d2cdd] [22:14] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: November 8th, 2020 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144139 [https://pleroma.site/objects/81a4f85a-49a5-46a9-883e-31cf650e2653] [22:14] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [22:16] *inky (~inky@5.77.189.137) has joined #techrights [22:26] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: but apparently you don't care... you don't mind that the exposer of america's crimes is gonna be killed... what's your logic? those iraq kids should have emigrated to the US if they didn't want to be dead? [22:27] schestowitz Trump would not pardon Assange [22:27] schestowitz he went further than Obama in attacking Assange [22:27] schestowitz he and Pompeo [22:27] schestowitz study the facts [22:27] schestowitz he also attempted to blackmail Assange [22:27] schestowitz as Assange lawyers told the court back in October and the start of the year [22:27] schestowitz this makes Trump a lot worse to Assange [22:28] schestowitz Obama mostly set this case aside [22:28] *willyg_cos has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:28] schestowitz knowing that using Espionage Act agaibst journalists would be devastating [22:28] schestowitz with Trump out of the WH there's a chance the case will be dropped [22:28] schestowitz even before the decision is issued next year [22:29] schestowitz (not that Biden likes Assange... he called him "high tech terrorist") [22:29] schestowitz later he changed his words a bit, seeing it was a bad portrayal given what Assange actually did [22:29] schestowitz it's on youtube, where he relented about those words [22:30] schestowitz the calls to kill Assange came mostly from GOP [22:30] CrystalMath hmm.... [22:31] *willyg_cos (~willyg_co@96.44.189.195.adsl.inet-telecom.org) has joined #techrights [22:31] schestowitz study the facts [22:31] schestowitz I know Assange, we used to talk [22:31] CrystalMath you know i read news from both sides [22:31] schestowitz Trump just used him [22:31] CrystalMath and all it's doing is making me go crazy [22:31] CrystalMath the two sides have information that is absolutely conflicting [22:31] CrystalMath like two mirror universes [22:31] schestowitz He shouted things against Trump [22:32] schestowitz when he was dragged out of the embassy [22:32] schestowitz his friend at the prison just killed himself [22:32] CrystalMath oh my :( [22:32] schestowitz Assange is also at risk [22:35] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Open-Source RISC-V ISA Offers More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144144 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b6892d94-e11f-427f-b917-cd1ff154da6b] [22:36] schestowitz vZS1: we're at the front page of 'hacker' 'news' [22:36] schestowitz CrystalMath: be careful of qanon misinformation [22:36] schestowitz their whole "trust the plan" BS was ridiculed and condemned by Assange [22:37] schestowitz this idea that when Trump attacked Wikileaks he was actually trying to 'help' Assange [22:37] schestowitz same people who alleged Assange had died around 2016 [22:37] vZS1 schestowitz: what's that? [22:37] schestowitz and interviews with him were "HEY HI" (AI) [22:37] schestowitz vZS1: it's a site that pretends to be for hackers [22:38] vZS1 Don't they all [22:38] schestowitz https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25027296 [22:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Large Corporations Arent Going to Save the Real Linux Community | Hacker News [22:38] DaemonFC[m] Assange doesn't deserve a pardon. [22:38] DaemonFC[m] He deserves whatever happens to him. [22:39] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: and Manning? [22:39] DaemonFC[m] Didn't unleash Trump on us as far as I know. [22:39] schestowitz "unleash" [22:41] DaemonFC[m] 226 Democrats in the House isn't so bad when you consider that these are still those Republican Gerrymander maps from 2010. [22:41] DaemonFC[m] After the redistricting, the Republicans won't be in control to the extent they were back then. [22:42] DaemonFC[m] So the fundamentals should be friendlier to Democrats. I strongly doubt they'll lose the House in 2022. [22:43] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: As far as I'm concerned, anyone responsible for this total pigfuck of the last four years deserves what's coming to them. [22:44] DaemonFC[m] Assange is in deep shit. The Ecuadorian embassy threw him out because he was incredibly rude and trashed the place. [22:44] DaemonFC[m] He has the table manners of a wild animal. [22:44] CrystalMath rumors [22:44] CrystalMath with no evidence [22:44] CrystalMath Assange is a hero [22:44] CrystalMath but now we see your true colors DaemonFC[m] [22:45] CrystalMath you don't care about what the US does in Iraq [22:45] CrystalMath you don't care how many people are killed outside [22:45] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: no, those are falsehoods [22:45] schestowitz ask people who worked there [22:45] schestowitz they refute that [22:45] CrystalMath your right to carry over a child from Mexico to the US is more important to you than the LIVES of people outside [22:45] CrystalMath that's why you voted for a warmonger [22:45] CrystalMath that's why you want Assange dead [22:45] schestowitz both pres. candidates are warmongers [22:46] schestowitz and both want Assange killed [22:46] schestowitz so... [22:46] CrystalMath because you don't want to know what HARM is caused by america's comfortable life [22:46] schestowitz well, same old... [22:47] DaemonFC[m] Nevertheless, they persisted.... [22:47] DaemonFC[m] Black Friday is going ahead anyway. [22:47] *TTwrs (~TTwrs@c-67-169-185-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [22:47] DaemonFC[m] Same cheap junk mostly. [22:47] DaemonFC[m] I usually look at it and pick up things if I needed one anyway, but for the most part it's the wrong time to buy electronics. [22:48] DaemonFC[m] They make special models just to sell very cheaply, and then you get a $199 TV or something that konks out on you 2 months later. [22:48] DaemonFC[m] People fall for it every year. [22:48] DaemonFC[m] Sad. [22:49] CrystalMath schestowitz: honestly i don't think Biden will pardon Assange... Trump still might, out of gratitude at least [22:49] CrystalMath i looked into it, and he could do it as his last act as president [22:49] DaemonFC[m] Trump is going to pardon a lot of shitheads on the way out. [22:50] DaemonFC[m] We knew it, but he would have kept wrecking the country then done the last minute pardons 4 years from now anyway. [22:50] schestowitz [22:49] schestowitz: honestly i don't think Biden will pardon Assange... Trump still might, out of gratitude at least [22:50] schestowitz no! [22:50] schestowitz study harder [22:50] DaemonFC[m] So I mean..... Best to just get him over and done with rather than what he does 5 minutes to the end of his term. [22:50] CrystalMath you keep believing these people but just look at DaemonFC[m] [22:50] schestowitz and not with sources like youtube fakes [22:51] CrystalMath democrats are sick bastards with no sense of justice [22:51] schestowitz unlike GOP LOL [22:51] DaemonFC[m] Walmart is doing $29 vacuum cleaners and $379 laptops. [22:51] schestowitz those cleaners don't last long [22:51] DaemonFC[m] I'd almost be afraid to even look. HP has some of the most disastrous EFI firmware. [22:51] schestowitz and when the engine/power unit goes, you buy another [22:52] schestowitz those laptops are expensive [22:52] schestowitz you can buy a raspi 400 [22:52] *TTwrs has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:52] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, my Shark (bought it open box from Amazon warehouse deals) has been going strong for about 4 years now. [22:52] schestowitz it's about 70 or 80 bucks [22:52] schestowitz dual head, 4 gb of ram [22:52] CrystalMath https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/29/fact-check-joe-biden-misspoke-campaigns-voter-protections/6061563002/ [22:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Fact check: Joe Biden misspoke about campaign's voter protections [22:52] DaemonFC[m] Despite having to clean out all the cat hair. [22:52] schestowitz includes keyboard [22:52] CrystalMath schestowitz: that was NOT a deepfake [22:52] schestowitz and you can get a mouse for a little extra [22:52] DaemonFC[m] Two cats shedding everywhere are tough on a vacuum. [22:52] schestowitz takes little power [22:53] schestowitz [17:06] (video) (audio:important) https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/no-biden-did-not-brag-about-committing-voter-fraud/2020/11/04/dadb8616-3718-45a1-baeb-7c2fa50c7aa7_video.html [22:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | No, Biden did not brag about committing voter fraud - The Washington Post [22:53] CrystalMath i know he didn't [22:53] CrystalMath but it's not a deepfake [22:53] CrystalMath he just misspoke [22:53] schestowitz it's msileading [22:53] CrystalMath which is what i said [22:53] schestowitz maybe out-of-context crap [22:53] CrystalMath i knew he misspoke [22:53] CrystalMath yes [22:53] CrystalMath i mean come on he wouldn't admit voter fraud [22:53] CrystalMath i'm not stupid [22:53] schestowitz don't trust any url [22:54] schestowitz lots of manipulation out there [22:54] CrystalMath he's just a gaffe machine, and he says things wrong a lot [22:54] schestowitz Trump did NOT throw ESPIONAGE Act at Assange [22:54] schestowitz and ALSO hacking charges [22:54] schestowitz just to pardon him [22:54] schestowitz that's like kicking a dog to "save" the dog [22:54] DaemonFC[m] It's so hard to believe that I was living in a hotel room the size of my dining room for a year and a half. [22:54] DaemonFC[m] This place almost seems too big now. [22:54] schestowitz maybe it is [22:55] schestowitz if you mostly use a PC [22:55] CrystalMath schestowitz: i know some republicans suggested it may have been a Freudian slip [22:55] DaemonFC[m] It's also about a third cheaper than the hotel room. [22:55] CrystalMath schestowitz: regarding Biden and voter fraud [22:55] DaemonFC[m] The hotel was strictly because they didn't ask any questions. [22:56] CrystalMath it will be known when voter fraud is proven or disproven [22:56] DaemonFC[m] Landlords were just sneering at us and then renting to someone else for a long time. [22:57] CrystalMath nevertheless, i just want to clear up that it was NOT a deepfake [22:57] CrystalMath there was no AI involved in the creation of the video [22:57] CrystalMath that was actual Joe Biden making a mistake ● Nov 08 [23:00] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kontron unveils RK3399K(Pro) SMARC 2.1 Module with up to 8GB RAM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144086#comment-27090 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d2b95e50-0eb3-45db-b2ae-56f4bea568c5] [23:03] oiaohm CrystalMath: If you compare the clip that trump posted to the original they don't aline. I was seeing a recompression artifact. I was wrong on a deepfake but who ever made that chip was incompetent. [23:04] oiaohm There are ways of slicing segments out videos without recompressing them. [23:05] MinceR https://imgur.com/gallery/Z5Wkk8Y [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump accidentally books a press conference in a landscaping company's parking lot - Album on Imgur [23:07] oiaohm Yes modern ability to reference a particular point in another video on YouTube and the like would have been giving orgianal source credit and provided some protection against if you screwed up the cut. [23:09] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:11] scientes XRevan86, there are suggestions that the recent Georgian election was Putined [23:11] scientes and while I do not question Putin's competence, that is short for saying "United Russia-ed" [23:11] scientes not knowing Georgian I am not qualified, but I am hearing that the exit polls do not match the offician numbers [23:12] *inky (~inky@5.77.189.137) has joined #techrights [23:12] scientes and exit polling is a quite effective method (doesn't work with mail-in voting however) [23:12] schestowitz that explains what saw earlier, MinceR [23:12] schestowitz lacked the context [23:12] scientes but you guys don't even live in the US [23:12] MinceR we're all living in amerika [23:13] scientes not really [23:13] scientes USD $ [23:13] scientes that is about it [23:13] MinceR amerika ist wunderbar [23:13] scientes only the printing press keeps it in the news [23:13] MinceR and the military [23:13] scientes the military is incapable of anything [23:14] MinceR and the megacorporations [23:14] oiaohm CrystalMath: there is a catch of course if you are cutting a video based on the existing breakpoints to avoid recompression you cannot set you cut points exactly. Basically what I am looking for to call a video fake if there its either a deepfake or a 99% of the deceptively edited. [23:14] scientes the megacorporations are all underwater [23:14] schestowitz they get bailed out though [23:14] schestowitz the grandkids are paying [23:14] scientes and the electronics firms (except Intel) have lost control over their supply chains [23:14] schestowitz they were not even born yet [23:14] MinceR the military is one of the most powerful, the megacorporations have captured the state [23:14] scientes schestowitz, excuse me, but that is impossible [23:15] schestowitz MinceR: doesn't matter in nuclear era [23:15] scientes a loan is an abstraction [23:15] scientes it is not reality [23:15] schestowitz at least 3 nations have enough nuked to decimate the whole works [23:15] schestowitz *world [23:15] scientes that IS true [23:15] schestowitz enough nuclear warheads [23:15] scientes what is the third nation? [23:15] schestowitz China [23:15] schestowitz I think 5k-10k [23:15] schestowitz not sure how many megatons [23:15] scientes when did they stock-pile? [23:15] schestowitz but famine can do the rest [23:16] oiaohm China has enough todo the earth once. [23:16] XRevan86 scientes: It's like saying Moscow instead of Russia. It works :) [23:16] scientes and did China buy from Russia? [23:16] oiaohm Russia and USA have enough to do it a few times over. [23:16] oiaohm That each. [23:16] schestowitz famine will do the rest [23:16] schestowitz you hit few big cities [23:16] schestowitz with large populations [23:16] schestowitz and they cannot be fed anymore [23:16] oiaohm No aim at the right fault lines. [23:16] schestowitz the grids go down also [23:16] oiaohm And set off the volcaones. [23:16] scientes While this is true, the people don't care, because they know they have absolutely no say in anything [23:17] scientes and they are right [23:17] oiaohm So creating a volcane based winter. [23:17] scientes so I am only pretending to care [23:17] oiaohm You don't need many nukes todo that. [23:17] scientes while what I am talking about in Georgia is actually important to people [23:17] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:17] scientes whether Georgia falls into Russia's feudalism or not [23:17] oiaohm Techically india has enough if targeted right and if they had long range delievery. [23:17] scientes which is what the big protests were about last year [23:17] oiaohm Yes its not aim at cities. [23:17] schestowitz oiaohm: I was gonna mention India [23:18] scientes and now I realize those protesters actually knew what was up [23:18] schestowitz India doesn't seem proactively aggressive [23:18] schestowitz unlike China, Russia, Trumpluend [23:18] oiaohm USA and Russia have enough each to scource everywhere. [23:18] scientes XRevan86, Vesti has a report about "coronavirus in Abkhazia" [23:18] schestowitz Kkkorna viruzz [23:18] oiaohm China and india amounts are more reasonable and to ruining the earth requires correct targeting. [23:18] scientes which is both a slur on foreigners AND a claim of the territory XRevan86 [23:19] schestowitz Chicken Korona [23:19] XRevan86 scientes: Not surprising [23:19] scientes they don't hesitate to be hypocritical as long as it fufills their insulting quota [23:20] schestowitz China can destroy the US by just not making ipHones [23:20] scientes and its the same self-congratulary annoying stuff that they don't bother to show on their foreign channels [23:20] schestowitz the young people will kill their grandparents [23:20] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfn6-29vP3U [23:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SPOILT BRAT SCREAMS AT HER GRANDPA OVER NEW IPHONE - YouTube [23:20] scientes it makes my eyes roll [23:20] oiaohm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons Anyone on this list with over 150 nukes if correctly placed can ruin the world once. [23:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of states with nuclear weapons - Wikipedia [23:21] scientes US propoganda doesn't do that [23:21] scientes that said, it is kinda cool how they have nerdy stuff [23:21] scientes like archeology [23:22] scientes nukes are another topic that I have to pretend to care about [23:23] oiaohm China, India and France can do it once and the UK can almost do it. Russia and USA can do it at least 10 times over. [23:23] scientes it is very simple logic: if I care about it, that means it is already too late to be concerned [23:23] oiaohm Of course nuke weapons have to be built and replaced reguarly. [23:23] scientes oiaohm, by people other than me [23:23] scientes that I don't care about [23:23] oiaohm So Russia and the USA spend a fotune maintaining weapons that never get fired. [23:24] vZS1 schestowitz: someone I know just requested a plaintext non-HTML version of the TR index btw. If you could provide the index in that form it would make parsing a lot easier [23:24] schestowitz US used floppy disks (the older generation of them) in nuclear systems [23:24] oiaohm Really it makes sense for a threat to have the means to nuke the earth once but any more why. [23:24] schestowitz last I checked, which was this year for my IBM articles, that only happened last year [23:24] schestowitz the replacement of those floppies [23:25] schestowitz vZS1: should be easy to do, hang on [23:25] scientes XRevan86, after what I hear about Saakashvili it would be a shame if Russia's feudal state manages to annex Georgia [23:25] schestowitz vZS1: space-separated, one list each object? [23:26] vZS1 Yeah. One CID per line. Space separated for description [23:26] scientes which is of course what they are also trying to do to Ukraine [23:26] schestowitz description or filename? [23:26] vZS1 Put it whatever. [23:26] schestowitz I will use php to serve it like pseudo html [23:27] vZS1 I think description is best [23:27] vZS1 "CID DESCRIPTION" [23:27] schestowitz th filenames are descriptions [23:27] schestowitz *the [23:27] vZS1 Ah [23:27] schestowitz self-explanatory really [23:27] vZS1 Yeah [23:27] schestowitz hang on [23:27] schestowitz should take a few mins [23:30] vZS1 Aite [23:33] schestowitz QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvk irc-log-071120 (full IRC log as HTML) [23:33] schestowitz QmQvqA6ysqejvSV4638gYTpxqJsyfQoCgUYzwsYFMa2e3P irc-log-social-071120 (full IRC log as HTML) [23:33] schestowitz QmahmH63tSR7MdY3XT1Vw9Er9KEXcKZ5yWQtBTAXEMckJ6 irc-log-techbytes-071120 (full IRC log as HTML) [23:33] schestowitz QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu irc-log-techrights-071120 (full IRC log as HTML) [23:33] schestowitz QmerK5cUxT2GJqRGjfcA5SJAkdgp5hbsx5x2WbcQesxGZK techrights-2020-10-26 (daily bulletin) [23:33] schestowitz QmbuM4HcDHVAHur2fL3mkn1J15v3h6MVo1RTfS3kcU75Ux techrights-2020-10-27 (daily bulletin) [23:33] schestowitz like this? [23:33] vZS1 Yep [23:33] schestowitz OK, uploading now [23:34] schestowitz ~/ipfs/txt ? [23:34] vZS1 Yeah. Makes sense [23:36] schestowitz voila! http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt/ [23:36] schestowitz all scripted now [23:36] scientes In March 2015, Ukraine denied a Georgian request to extradite Saakashvili, as it deemed the criminal cases against him politically motivated.[90] [23:36] scientes geeze [23:36] scientes obv. [23:37] vZS1 Excellent [23:38] schestowitz later on I will add rsync to these [23:38] schestowitz first I want to do some manual runs [23:38] schestowitz while I still change some structural things [23:38] schestowitz tomorrow's format will be better [23:38] schestowitz hmmm... well, 20 mins from now [23:39] schestowitz will add this now [23:39] vZS1 Now we can pin stuff a lot easier [23:39] vZS1 Just keep the CID as the first field [23:39] schestowitz there are two scripts on your homedir [23:40] vZS1 So it doesn't break scripts downstream [23:40] vZS1 For peers [23:40] vZS1 And space as the field delimiter [23:41] schestowitz txt is text only [23:41] schestowitz index.html is the html [23:42] schestowitz in tmp I put the stuff for irc proceedings posts [23:42] schestowitz they tie the latest additions together [23:42] DaemonFC[m] All these people complaining about HTTP 2. [23:42] schestowitz and add them to the rss feed [23:42] DaemonFC[m] HTTP 1 and 1.1 were a complete mess. [23:42] DaemonFC[m] Mostly because of the server end though. [23:42] DaemonFC[m] And mostly Microsoft's of course. [23:43] scientes https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/08/arts/television/alex-trebek-dead.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage [23:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Alex Trebek, Longtime Host of Jeopardy!, Dies at 80 - The New York Times [23:43] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Comcast is up to $14 a month for their modem rental now. [23:43] DaemonFC[m] Told them hard pass and I'd use my modem from 2013. [23:45] scientes what i hate most about reading the nytimes is that I have to turn off javascript [23:45] DaemonFC[m] Now we know why their monthly fee sounds so good. [23:46] DaemonFC[m] They jacked the modem rental up from $3 to $14 over the last 10 year. [23:46] DaemonFC[m] If you bring your own modem, that saves so much money now that it pays for itself in 9 months. [23:47] scientes hmm, they had an article about collapse https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/magazine/societal-collapse.html [23:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | How Do You Know When Society Is About to Fall Apart? - The New York Times [23:48] scientes however it is the typical junk [23:48] DaemonFC[m] "Save $450 on a Samsung Galaxy S20 5G." Yeah because the fucking MSRP is like almost iPhone bad now. [23:48] schestowitz vZS1: ok, done, now the upload is also streamlined [23:48] schestowitz will test new additions in 12 mins [23:48] schestowitz midnight [23:48] scientes all speculation, and no actuary information [23:48] DaemonFC[m] I got the S20 FE 5G and it's a really good phone, for $400. [23:48] DaemonFC[m] It's much faster than my S8+ and weighs probably 40-50% less. [23:49] scientes all ego, no thinking [23:49] vZS1 Good stuff. [23:50] vZS1 Now it's super easy to keep track of what pins are TR pins [23:50] schestowitz [23:43] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.nytimes.com | Alex Trebek, Longtime Host of Jeopardy!, Dies at 80 - The New York Times [23:50] schestowitz so many puns are possible [23:50] schestowitz I'll have... nevermind [23:51] DaemonFC[m] Save $30 on Samsung Galaxy Buds. Was $169.99. A bit expensive for earbuds, isn't it? [23:53] schestowitz show your lifestyle [23:53] schestowitz with your earwax [23:53] schestowitz your 'friends' will be jealous [23:53] schestowitz "she/he can afford!!" [23:55] vZS1 Bedtime for me. Gn all [23:55] scientes vZS1, dulce sueos [23:56] *scientes is not sure how writing that in Spanish makes it less gay [23:57] schestowitz vZS1: gn [23:58] schestowitz seems like 'hacker' 'news' caused us some downtime [23:58] schestowitz overload on the server, along with reddit [23:58] scientes lol, Alex Trebek death is #7 there [23:59] schestowitz celeb status [23:59] schestowitz was it justified though? [23:59] scientes I avoid HN because of the incompetence tied with convinction of compentence [23:59] MinceR same gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-081120.txt

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