●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, November 07, 2020 ●● ● Nov 07 [00:01] schestowitz nope [00:01] schestowitz Chile has news [00:01] schestowitz it liberated itself from this horrible thing the US did to it [00:01] schestowitz it's in the news this month [00:01] CrystalMath well still i was talking historically [00:01] CrystalMath i'm aware that things went haywire for them later on [00:02] CrystalMath Milton Freedman was not involved with that [00:08] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A Techrights Birthday (14 Years Since Its Birth in 2006) is Today http://techrights.org/2020/11/06/14-year-anniversary-cakes/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/662d7ae0-2672-435a-93f1-510c043ac054] [00:09] CrystalMath schestowitz: okay thanks for answering anyway [00:13] schestowitz I'm no expert [00:13] schestowitz but I think many political choices are inspired by him, and few good things can be said [00:14] schestowitz it's what made the US (other countries too, to a lesser degree) so unequal, like the top 1% having more wealth than like the bottom 95% combined [00:14] schestowitz they just did anything they wanted [00:14] schestowitz and the invisible hand was an excuse for this concentration of power (and wealth) [00:14] schestowitz wealth begets power and vice versa [00:14] schestowitz so there needs to be some power against consolidation [00:14] schestowitz like antitrust/Sherman Act [00:15] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144096 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6ac9184c-df6d-4830-b5b8-c44b64e42ae1] [00:15] schestowitz Even if it was not an DELIBERATE goal of this system and philosophy [00:15] schestowitz and even if capitalism without regulation is the "best" system [00:16] schestowitz the reality is, the way things work, unregulated capitalism leads to feudalism [00:16] schestowitz even if not the intended goal, that's just what happens in practice [00:17] schestowitz so realists sought to have some kinds of gov. regulations that gives more power to people's voice against those in power, either elected or unelected (who buy the elected) [00:49] DaemonFC[m] Google was one of the companies that have everyone the day off to vote. [00:52] schestowitz we know why [00:52] schestowitz Barr/Trump [00:52] schestowitz buh-bye [00:53] *DaElf has quit (Quit: Returning to meatspace.) ● Nov 07 [01:03] CrystalMath how do the americans on this channel feel about conceding the white house to big tech? [01:06] schestowitz hehe [01:06] schestowitz "big tech" [01:06] schestowitz trump versus "big tech" [01:06] schestowitz like Palantir [01:06] schestowitz and Microsoft [01:06] schestowitz his biggest allies [01:06] schestowitz "big head", "big tech" [01:06] schestowitz Big wall [01:06] schestowitz the biggest wall ever [01:07] oarion7 yeah big tech are basically state contractors at this point (alternatively viewed, the state is a contractor for big tech) [01:09] oarion7 so to answer that i guess every election is a concession of the white house to big tech [01:09] oarion7 2008, 2016, 2020. It sucks! [01:14] schestowitz yep [01:14] schestowitz well put [01:14] schestowitz they're an extension or arm [01:15] schestowitz like lockeheed (lockmart) [01:15] schestowitz they make a "product" [01:15] schestowitz like planes [01:15] schestowitz but they don't need to actual "Sell" it per se [01:15] schestowitz the government will blindly buy it [01:15] schestowitz and compel US "allies" to buy some too [01:15] schestowitz *actually "Sell" [01:16] schestowitz so it's really just passage of taxpayers' money to barons [01:16] schestowitz nobody buys it [01:16] schestowitz the only thing which gets bought is the politicians [01:16] schestowitz to keep these contracts going [01:16] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/parties.jpg [01:16] schestowitz for our next article [01:36] DaemonFC[m] Apple too. [01:36] DaemonFC[m] Hundreds. [01:38] CrystalMath okay i have to admit you're right [01:39] CrystalMath and the proof is... Trump did nothing against big tech [01:53] schestowitz CrystalMath: watch this short video http://techrights.org/2020/08/28/racism-is-money-for-microsoft/ [01:53] schestowitz nadella and trump [01:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Genius Microsoft Says Its Against Racism So It Therefore Must be True | Techrights ● Nov 07 [02:15] kingoffrance CrystalMath, i think when you look at all the "big tech" getting into banking that "big tech" is just a way to draw attention away from finance [02:15] kingoffrance its not that i disagree so much as [02:15] schestowitz and oil [02:15] kingoffrance usual "luddite" has a cell phone and its more an "identity" thing i think that genuine against "tech" [02:15] kingoffrance i dont think most ppl are serious [02:16] CrystalMath i have a cell phone but not a smartphone [02:16] CrystalMath i don't own a single smart phone [02:16] CrystalMath i'm a luddite who is holier than thou [02:16] CrystalMath :P [02:16] kingoffrance lol no i mean they are trying to appeal to rural ppl and against city ppl [02:16] kingoffrance i am the same on all that btw [02:16] CrystalMath oh [02:16] CrystalMath then thou art as holy as myself [02:17] kingoffrance lol [02:18] kingoffrance i think its moer "someone to blame" is what i mean [02:19] kingoffrance i say this also because when i went to school it was all ms stuff [02:19] kingoffrance they were silent then [02:19] kingoffrance momentum is why would anyone care now? [02:19] kingoffrance 20 years ago they loved "big tech" [02:19] kingoffrance i just find it hard to believe they actually flipped [02:20] CrystalMath the gop? [02:20] CrystalMath yeah they don't really hate big tech [02:20] CrystalMath they pretend to [02:20] CrystalMath i just sorta hoped Trump is real [02:20] CrystalMath he might still be [02:22] kingoffrance well not just "the gop" but all the "big xyz" usually was coming from "the other side" so in that sense maybe there is a little bit of real, in the sense they had to change their tune [02:22] kingoffrance in a sort of "current business env is not broken, its just the monopolists ruining it" sort of way [02:22] CrystalMath i separate Trump from the GOP, btw [02:22] kingoffrance i mean that seems a 180 too [02:22] kingoffrance yeah, thats fine [02:23] CrystalMath before Trump i don't think i'd ever dream of supporting republicans [02:23] CrystalMath but then again i did a 180 as well [02:24] MinceR maybe this election will also separate don the con from the gop :> [02:24] CrystalMath MinceR: but Trump is good [02:24] MinceR for what? [02:24] CrystalMath idk, his personality [02:24] CrystalMath his whole "screw the system" mentality [02:25] CrystalMath and his supporters... the whole degentrification mentality [02:25] CrystalMath returning to the wild west [02:25] CrystalMath anti-science (which i support because i believe industrial society is leading us to a horrifying end) [02:25] MinceR was the wild west a christian fundamentalist dystopia? [02:26] CrystalMath (cite note 1: Industrial Society And Its Future, by Dr. Ted Kaczynski) [02:26] MinceR lol [02:26] MinceR dump is leading us to a horrifying end [02:26] CrystalMath no, technology is [02:27] CrystalMath i think i'm firmly on the anti-science camp in the sense that i want to stop scientific progress, even with force if necessary [02:27] CrystalMath i'm not against the scientific method, nor do i believe in magic or anything [02:27] MinceR and what sort of force is available to you without science and technology? [02:27] CrystalMath i know science is "right", but, it should not be done [02:28] MinceR are you planning to bite scientists and engineers to death? [02:28] CrystalMath well i guess you haven't read the paper [02:28] CrystalMath you see the kind of technology that is bad is the kind that you can't make yourself [02:28] MinceR there's probably terabytes of stupid shit i haven't read [02:29] CrystalMath it's a really interesting read [02:29] CrystalMath http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf [02:30] kingoffrance i guess the other way is ive always been try to build your own tech the way you want CrystalMath so ive always been pro-tech in that sense [02:30] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144097 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6021ec6f-60c8-4af5-8901-3e1d3564aaf9] [02:30] kingoffrance because i grew up when there were "personal computers" [02:31] kingoffrance so that was kind of implied at a far off level anyways [02:31] CrystalMath there are still personal computers [02:31] kingoffrance and homebrew computer club that was very much their definition too [02:31] CrystalMath tbh, i guess i could write a paper on why free software is so successful [02:31] CrystalMath free software is one thing people can do while remaining autonomous [02:31] CrystalMath without anyone telling them what to do or how to do it [02:32] CrystalMath this is why people are so happy to do it [02:32] CrystalMath even for nothing [02:32] kingoffrance yeah, i just mean that was more the normal attitude i think, that a computer exists to serve the one person sitting behind it [02:32] CrystalMath because you can't be happy when you're controlled or monitored [02:32] MinceR i hate to burst your bubble, but free software _is_ technology [02:32] CrystalMath MinceR: yes but clearly not the bad kind, as you can build it at home... although, any technology that cannot be maintained by a single person is still bad, so systemd is bad by this definition [02:32] CrystalMath despite being free software [02:33] MinceR systemd is not free software, it was designed to take our freedoms away [02:33] CrystalMath i think that we can explain the psychology of systemd opposition this way too... using it means you lose your autonomy [02:33] CrystalMath exactly [02:33] CrystalMath so are smartphones [02:33] CrystalMath and cars [02:33] CrystalMath especially self-driving cars [02:33] kingoffrance there were even ppl saying dont put computers in school, they will become "part of the system" and be used againt ppl [02:33] kingoffrance i mean that is lost history [02:34] kingoffrance point being, they were pro-tech, but didnt want it co-opted [02:34] thddx i see your point and have a rough idea of kaczynski's position, but i don't think tech is to blame. the direction of 'innovation' due to capitalist incentives are more the problem [02:35] thddx and trump sure as hell isn't the remedy to that [02:36] CrystalMath well i don't know if socialism would be a system where nobody tells you what to do or how to do it [02:36] MinceR it would be more useful if people who blamed "capitalism" or "capitalists" for things defined what they mean by that [02:36] MinceR i think that "system" is called anarchism :> [02:37] thddx you are right. no 'isms' are precise enough to make an argument [02:37] CrystalMath although i suppose there's individualist socialism [02:37] CrystalMath like Oscar Wilde [02:38] thddx in this case, i mean making suboptimal engineering choices to maximize revenue. effectively, engineering consumer needs [02:39] CrystalMath i would definitely prefer suboptimal engineering choices, when it comes to stuff that simply should not exist, like surveillance [02:39] CrystalMath the more mistakes they make in there, the better [02:41] thddx i consider surveillence to be one of those misdirected "innovations" that are a waste of human energy and bits [02:41] thddx driven by reveune and control seeking incentives [02:43] CrystalMath okay but socialists are also very control seeking [02:44] CrystalMath most of the time [02:44] CrystalMath and US democrats are *definitely* control seeking [02:44] MinceR so are the "republicans" [02:47] thddx that's why I don't like 'isms'. they have too much historic baggage. the ideal would be a reimagining of past systems, ideally driven by universally ethical incentives and full information parity [02:47] CrystalMath idk, i think that industrial society itself is control-seeking [02:48] CrystalMath that's the point Kaczynski makes [02:48] CrystalMath and so, one has to be antisocial towards it [02:48] thddx right. and that makes sense [02:48] MinceR that's fixable by decentralising industry [02:49] MinceR ensuring that individuals have access to the tools to produce technology with [02:49] thddx i think technology is an essential input toward engineering a better incentivized and functioning society [02:49] MinceR e.g. rapid prototyping tools [02:49] MinceR technology is an essential input toward long-term survival [02:49] MinceR and so toward any long-term goal other than extinction [02:49] thddx indeed [02:49] MinceR there are threats we simply can't survive without technology [02:50] CrystalMath there is no long term goal beyond extinction [02:50] CrystalMath we WILL be extinct one day [02:50] MinceR for you, perhaps [02:50] CrystalMath even if it's the end of the universe [02:50] CrystalMath no, for literally everything [02:50] CrystalMath science (which i put some hate on earlier) predicts an end for the universe [02:50] thddx sure. but it's a whole lot more fun to make it to the last level [02:50] MinceR with sufficiently advanced science and technology, we can probably circumvent that [02:51] MinceR just as we circumvented the inability to see at night, or the inability to fly [02:51] CrystalMath MinceR: good luck circumventing expansion :P [02:52] CrystalMath and the big freeze [02:52] CrystalMath should you somehow succeed [02:52] CrystalMath there's also the fun big rip to take of, then [02:53] MinceR those are all fixed by either moving to a younger universe or by creating one and moving to it [02:53] CrystalMath you can't do that, however, because you're made of this universe [02:54] thddx my father is a "why try, it's all doomed" type of person. i think that's why i buck the notion and favor more transhumanist ideals [02:54] CrystalMath it may be possible to transfer information between universes however, if you accept my very own fringe theory of CBR being photons released by the destruction of another universe [02:54] CrystalMath but something has to catch it in there [02:54] CrystalMath and there will most likely be nothing to do that [02:55] *swaggboi has quit (Quit: C-x C-c) ● Nov 07 [03:02] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [03:02] CrystalMath MinceR: also be aware that there is always a small chance that all humans are instantly wiped out by a vacuum decay event [03:03] CrystalMath the chance is fairly small but if you give it 10^100 years [03:03] CrystalMath it will happen [03:03] CrystalMath we WILL die [03:03] CrystalMath it's gonna end, and there's nothing anyone can do about it [03:03] MinceR i'm aware of it [03:03] CrystalMath so extinction is therefore what we are heading towards [03:03] MinceR but "there is always a small chance" doesn't mean it will happen before we manage to protect ourselves against it somehow [03:03] CrystalMath as for me, i wished i lived before [03:04] MinceR e.g. by spreading across universes [03:04] CrystalMath 1) that is not possible, as we are made of this universe; even information spreading across universes cannot materialize without preparation on the other side [03:04] MinceR as for transfer, it might be possible to fold or interconnect space somehow between universes, and then we can just go [03:04] CrystalMath any piece of one universe in another universe will trigger vacuum decay [03:05] MinceR also, stuff like vacuum decay spreads at light speed [03:05] CrystalMath yes [03:05] CrystalMath you can't catch it before it happens [03:05] MinceR and we might be able to outrun that via FTL travel [03:05] MinceR e.g. an Alcubierre drive [03:05] CrystalMath okay, just order -1T of something and you're good to go :P [03:06] CrystalMath you literally can't even know that it's happening [03:06] CrystalMath and still, eventually you'll be hit by one you didn't expect [03:06] CrystalMath face it, omae wa mou shinde iru [03:06] MinceR no u [03:06] CrystalMath well yes, me too [03:06] CrystalMath and everyone [03:06] CrystalMath we're all dead some day [03:07] CrystalMath and gone forever [03:07] CrystalMath there's not even a theory of surviving indefinitely [03:07] MinceR it's not terribly complicated [03:07] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [03:07] CrystalMath i suppose it's not, it's just the end, pretty simple [03:07] MinceR fix the issues that prevent you from doing so, possibly by improving or replacing your body, possibly several times, possibly infinite times [03:08] CrystalMath you can't fix the issues with the very universe you're made of [03:08] CrystalMath none of it is built to last [03:08] MinceR i might be able to leave it [03:08] MinceR and none of it is built in the first place [03:08] CrystalMath i would definitely not bet on it [03:08] MinceR it's just an inflated quantum fluctuation of vacuum [03:09] CrystalMath i wonder if this bunch of crappy animals on earth is even gonna visit another star system [03:09] CrystalMath before being snuffed out [03:09] CrystalMath but it's certainly not theoretically impossible [03:09] MinceR i, too, wonder [03:10] MinceR humans are certainly doing this whole survival thing very badly [03:13] CrystalMath well, i'm certainly going to die, and i'll die happy knowing that the best theories of the universe guarantee the end of humans at some point in time [03:13] CrystalMath therefore whatever hell you create won't be forever [03:16] CrystalMath i still firmly believe that humans are incapable of creating anything but hell [03:16] CrystalMath it would truly be best if you left design to weasels or minks [03:17] MinceR well, i think humans will either kill themselves off (most likely) or they'll get their act together and create something other than hell [03:17] CrystalMath hmm, i think it's most likely that they will create hell [03:17] CrystalMath that's kinda why i want to die [03:17] MinceR there are some difficult prerequisites for the second [03:18] MinceR like defeating religion and anti-science [03:18] CrystalMath religion and anti-science are the only things preventing the creation of hell [03:18] MinceR they'd probably also need to defeat authoritarianism [03:18] CrystalMath you can only defeat authoritarianism by defeating science [03:18] MinceR because i doubt humans can research and develop effectively enough while being oppressed [03:18] MinceR it hasn't worked so far, afaict [03:19] MinceR nope, authoritarianism existed well before the scientific method was invented [03:19] CrystalMath the average person in those days had a happier more fulfilling life [03:19] CrystalMath and was less controlled [03:20] CrystalMath because the rulers didn't have the tools to control them [03:20] CrystalMath and i'm still sad about the minks in denmark :( [03:32] CrystalMath MinceR: idk, i still can't see the democrats and black lives matter as a good thing; recently they stabbed some woman [03:32] CrystalMath i think Trump was a shining star protecting us all from destroying ourselves [03:32] CrystalMath despite the fact that he is president right now and did absolutely nothing about this [03:33] CrystalMath i don't know what to think [03:33] CrystalMath i know US democrats are evil; but what to do? [03:41] MinceR the two-party system doesn't do "good things" [03:41] MinceR it does "evil" and "even more evil" [03:42] MinceR you need to fix or abolish the system if you want "good" [03:44] CrystalMath and that's exactly why i like Trump, he's an independent [03:44] CrystalMath the only other one is Rand Paul [03:44] CrystalMath and then you have Jo Jorgensen [03:44] CrystalMath and Jill Stein? was she a candidate again? [03:45] CrystalMath i suppose Bernie Sanders also counts as being outside the establishment [03:45] CrystalMath but he was a senator for a long time [03:46] oarion7 CrystalMath: You don't like Tulsi much? [03:46] oarion7 I sympathize with a lot of what you've written here [03:47] oarion7 I'd say she's the only Dem I like, and Ran Paul the only Republican, but not always, sometimes he morphs into a normal Republican circus clown [03:48] oarion7 Part of reaching the level of Senator I suppose [03:49] oarion7 I liked some of Trump's campaign promises, but lost interest within a few months of his entering office [03:55] oarion7 Did not vote but was relieved when he won and kept a hopeful attitude until he bombed Syria. Within the last year it became apparent that once in power his persona/character, once in a position of power, only served to manufacture consent for neoliberalism by rendering normal opposition to it unfashionable and toxic [03:57] CrystalMath it was cool that he said no to the TTIP [03:57] CrystalMath that was a happy day [03:57] oarion7 Kind of like why Tucker Carlson, who is in many ways particularly unpalatable vis-a-vis mainstream sensibilities, is the only mainstream media figure who was permitted by the state or capital or whatever to critique the Trump Administration's foreign policies, albeit articulated in a language of personal support for Trump [03:57] CrystalMath also, Trump left Syria, and tried to leave Afghanistan [03:58] CrystalMath but he also killed Soleimani in the name of Israel [03:58] CrystalMath that sucked [03:58] CrystalMath i mean that was outrageous [03:59] MinceR Agent Orange is not an independent, he's a "republican" [03:59] CrystalMath for the past 9 years [03:59] CrystalMath before that he was a democrat [03:59] MinceR and since he's a complete moron, if he ever does something nondestructive, it's just random chance [03:59] MinceR not really something one can build on [03:59] oarion7 CrystalMath: Every time Trump "tried" to end a war he just made it more unpopular to oppose war. The previous propaganda formula, of the Obama adminsitration had been exhausted, which was to make war cool ● Nov 07 [04:00] oarion7 We also never left Syria [04:00] oarion7 Even after, again, being hopeful, I fell into that a couple of times too, but the US did not leave Syria. Trump did not leave Syria. They are still there, and they are still arming al Qaeda [04:01] oarion7 But Trump would end US wars -- as would any US president -- if there were a large enough, and I mean truly massive, anti-war movement in this country [04:01] CrystalMath covfefe still remains a fond memory [04:02] oarion7 So there is a grave moral failure on our part, culturally, I mean it's equally a media problem, those are one in the same thing, its a reminder that "blame" is sort of useless in this scenario, but we are collectively "culpable" nonetheless [04:02] CrystalMath i think he was the best president in a long time [04:03] oarion7 He's definitely my favorite cartoon character [04:03] oarion7 I mean I continued into this election season to watch him often with a smile on my face [04:03] oarion7 But 9/11 was a big landmark in the descent into empire and fascism [04:04] CrystalMath right, that's when he became a democrat [04:04] oarion7 I don't know [04:04] CrystalMath that's when democrats were firmly on the right side [04:04] CrystalMath in the 2000s [04:04] CrystalMath until Obama showed that he's a bastard like every other US president [04:04] oarion7 The Democrats were firmly on the right side once the war in iraq became unpopular, yes [04:05] CrystalMath and that's when Trump changed to republican, in 2011 [04:05] oarion7 In 2003 it was all pretty ugly, the major players (I was young, I can't remember if "most") among the Dems were supportive of the war [04:06] oarion7 But yes maybe a third of the Trump base today could go back and watch clips of keith oberman on MSNBC in 2008 and find it entirely agreeable [04:09] CrystalMath maybe it would be best if Kanye wins [04:12] CrystalMath i kinda hoped for Kanye2020 back in 2017 [04:30] MinceR lol [04:35] oarion7 CrystalMath: Bed time for me nice chatting with you [04:35] *oarion7 has quit (Quit: Running IRC on a charmed medieval abacus.) ● Nov 07 [07:34] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Save The Planet, Kill Yourself! https://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/) [07:48] *rianne__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[08:59] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Nov 07 [09:06] schestowitz EFF Meme [09:06] schestowitz > http://techrights.org/2020/11/06/youtube-dl-meme-eff/ [09:06] schestowitz > [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EFF Fails to Learn an Important Lesson | Techrights [09:06] schestowitz > [09:06] schestowitz > If it's damning that the EFF only addresses half the issue (no dispute [09:06] schestowitz > there) then how much worse is it that the FSF says nothing about it at all? [09:06] schestowitz What's an FSF? 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[10:18] schestowitz Put in simple terms, sites that adopt HTTPS with the 'free' (so-called) Let's Encrypt will become inaccessible to a lot of visitors. In the name of fake 'privacy', which does nothing about spying at the endpoints (like data sells to brokers). [10:22] schestowitz thoughts anyone? [10:23] schestowitz Look who backs this. Look who funds this. Look where the code is hosted (proprietary Microsoft GitHub). Even the site is outsourced to proprietary Microsoft GitHub... [10:23] schestowitz So much for security, considering how close Microsoft and the NSA have long been [10:23] schestowitz The Let's Encrypt monopoly is reinforcing monopoly and monopolies (Let's Encrypt itself is fast becoming a monopoly and it helps large companies further monpolise the Web) [10:23] schestowitz Why would anyone wish to turn away users in the name of fake 'privacy' or dubious levels of confidentiality? If the Let's Encrypt folks somehow hand over keys to the government (e.g. under Trump NSLs), then what good is it really? It not only helps monopolies but also empires. [10:23] schestowitz Let's Encrypt may claim to be a liberating and democratising force, but that's assuming it does what it says on the tin. [10:25] vZS1 The discussion should lead the user to devices and browsers that let them have a local list of public keys they trust. That's the basic function of TLS anyways. The concept of a CA needs to be binned altogether. [10:27] vZS1 You can still trust certs yourself on Firefox. Just ignore the browser warnings. [10:27] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/03/04/lets-ask-lets-encrypt/ [10:28] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Urges Readers to Ask the Linux Foundations Lets Encrypt (Backed by Companies That Give the NSA Back Doors) Some Hard But Legitimate Questions | Techrights [10:28] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:29] vZS1 schestowitz: what TR should tell users is to start trusting self-signed certificates in favour of certs provided by CAs [10:29] vZS1 Let's Encrypt is a vehicle for maintaining the trust monopoly [10:30] vZS1 It's free so people blindly just use it [10:30] vZS1 Without realising they're just further entrenching the trust monopoly [10:31] schestowitz yes, thanks [10:31] schestowitz I will quote you [10:31] schestowitz it's a later article [10:31] vZS1 Anyone can generate TLS certs with openssl (or even more secure libressl) [10:31] vZS1 libressl is by the OpenBSD team. It's the best TLS software around. [10:32] schestowitz yes, I am aware [10:32] vZS1 Just making notes for further reference [10:33] scientes it is called openssl [10:33] scientes and it has the best optimized crypto routines you can get [10:33] schestowitz https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&ei=6XemX8TnBpKagQbayq7IDA&q=libressl++techrights&oq=libressl++techrights [10:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libressl techrights - Google Search [10:33] schestowitz scientes: based on it [10:34] scientes well none of the forks have much development happening on them [10:34] vZS1 There's nothing magical about TLS certificates. If someone has something like WordPress, you can just use libressl to generate your own certs and then put a banner on the top of your info page on your website asking users to trust whichever cert you generated and hasn't expired [10:34] scientes there is a lack of paid maintainer problem [10:34] scientes and thus ownership [10:35] scientes GNUCrypt has pretty dedicated maintainers (disclosure: I have done paid work on gcrypt) [10:35] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144108 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2656a5ed-6203-41fd-bec1-4deef344ce1c] [10:36] scientes vZS1, TLS is a horrible protocol [10:36] scientes absolutely horrible [10:36] scientes as is x509 [10:37] scientes but it is here to stay [10:38] scientes anyone here have FPGA experience? [10:38] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:40] *inky (~inky@5.77.137.242) has joined #techrights [10:40] vZS1 Trust should only exist between the provider of data and the consumer. Any other third party introduced into the system is an attack against privacy, security, and autonomy. [10:41] vZS1 Don't let quacks convince you otherwise. - encrypted systems specialist [10:42] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:43] scientes https://www.edaplayground.com/x/B [10:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.edaplayground.com | FSM - EDA Playground [10:43] scientes nice [10:43] schestowitz https://lwn.net/Articles/836497/#Comments [10:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fallout from upcoming Let's Encrypt certificate changes [LWN.net] [10:43] schestowitz "Rooting old phones requires erasing them. I'd hazard that the users of those phones would be cautious about that (data loss), as opposed to current phones (loss of access to baking and game apps)." [10:44] scientes that is quite optimizable [10:44] scientes so perhaps verilog isn't a shit language, the problem is just lack of a free software implementation [10:45] *schestowitz looks at the code [10:45] scientes just a simple state machine [10:45] scientes looks half-way decent [10:46] schestowitz Did FPGAs 2 decades back [10:46] scientes while gcc can optimize something like that in C, clang cannot [10:46] schestowitz I made a calculator [10:46] schestowitz iirc inc. multiplication [10:46] scientes maybe I could write a regular expression engine in verilog [10:47] scientes division is harder than multiplication [10:47] scientes and the PDIV intel bug is testament to that [10:48] schestowitz https://lwn.net/Articles/836497/#Comments [10:48] schestowitz " [10:48] schestowitz Plausibly deniable way to send users up the upgrade treadmill. [10:48] schestowitz C'mon, Android users! Throw away your devices, again! [10:48] schestowitz " [10:49] scientes schestowitz, apple products are woorse [10:49] scientes they would refuse to install new BATTERIES until iphone 5 [10:49] schestowitz they are both bad [10:50] schestowitz doesn't change the point [10:50] scientes but android is the worse threat right now [10:50] scientes *worst [10:50] schestowitz [10:00] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): Cocaine or heroin? Both have helpful personalities https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2020/nov/07/alexa-or-google-nest-both-have-helpful/?business #surveillance #listeningDevices #imperialism #espionage [https://pleroma.site/objects/63c63291-2cb5-4a6c-9ae4-5a05db65a41b] [10:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.arkansasonline.com | Alexa or Google Nest? Both have helpful personalities [10:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [10:50] schestowitz [from this morning] [10:50] scientes schestowitz, actually, that says you can install firefox on them [10:50] schestowitz yes, but [10:50] scientes which is also why I think the pinephone won't be horrible [10:50] schestowitz not sure how well it supports old versions [10:50] scientes cause half of what I do on my phone is in firefox [10:51] scientes you can even get a firefox build for armv6 [10:51] scientes old, but it will work on non-asshole WEB 5.0 web-sites [10:51] scientes that's what I miss about firefox 3.5 [10:52] scientes when people actually supported a platform, unstead of a tradmill [10:53] scientes the real problem here is the software [10:54] scientes and that android is abandonware [10:55] schestowitz MinceR: [10:55] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dwoC0EYStw [10:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Applying Patches To Suckless Software - YouTube [10:56] scientes > [10:56] scientes If you want my dmenu build, go to my GitLab and "git clone" the dmenu-distrotube repo. Then run "sudo make install". For those of you on Arch, you can "yay dmenu-distrotube-git". [10:56] scientes he just built as root [10:59] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Comet Lake appears on mini-PC, AI Box, and Mini-ITX systems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143939#comment-27080 [https://pleroma.site/objects/38e81e97-89a2-48e7-a230-44c899b1cf39] ● Nov 07 [11:01] vZS1 schestowitz: what we really need in a truly security-and-privacy respecting web browser is one that rejects all TLS certificates by default and only accepts certs the user agrees to accept. Right now the situation is the opposite of what it should be. Users have monopolised "trust providers" dictate which certs they accept. [11:02] vZS1 Kind of how you do when you set up SSH. You block all public keys by default and only allow ones you trust yourself. And you, the user, have full control of your trust system. [11:03] vZS1 Delegation of trust mechanisms to third parties is flagrant stupidity in any security system. [11:04] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #HowTo switch an old Windows laptop to Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144109 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fc044c69-9ac9-4b1b-b52f-19c38ea28b5a] [11:08] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Videos/Shows: MATE 20.10, Suckless, Ubuntu 20.10 + Deepin, BSD Now and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144110 [https://pleroma.site/objects/84fa029f-1262-4af5-8232-456f7085fbef] [11:09] vZS1 In summary: right now you, the user, have a dictator ordering you whom you can and cannot trust. This is absurd. Your devices and software shouldn't stop functioning when you want to take back control over your trust. The current system is a dictatorship of CAs forcing people to give up control over their trust (and by extension, their security and privacy). [11:10] vZS1 schestowitz: you have my permission to publish all of what I said in your articles. [11:12] schestowitz yes, I know [11:12] schestowitz already adding to my notes as I go along [11:12] schestowitz will edit later [11:12] vZS1 These are abuses against articles 12 and 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [11:12] oiaohm vZS1: sounds like a simple idea. Until you allow for the fact that you will have man in the middle fakes and cases of lost/stolen keys as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_revocation_list Part of CA system is not for no reasons. [11:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Certificate revocation list - Wikipedia [11:13] schestowitz working on some rss feed cleaning [11:13] schestowitz in quiterss [11:13] oiaohm Trust is a not the simplest thing. [11:14] schestowitz today I saw it listed at top of recommended rss readers for gnu/linux [11:14] schestowitz years ago nobody even knew about it [11:14] schestowitz Russian-developed afaik [11:14] oiaohm Humans lossing keys have been happening as long as we have had locks. [11:14] schestowitz we were reasonably early adopters [11:14] schestowitz oiaohm: I think he has you on "ignore" [11:14] vZS1 Going to head off for a while. Good luck with the RSS-cleaning. [11:14] schestowitz kk [11:16] oiaohm Big problem with the current CA system is your key is approved by 1 CA so third party can get that CA to issue another one to replace your content. [11:16] oiaohm Same with every site run their own CA how would you deal with that CA master certificate being exploited. [11:17] oiaohm Yes trust does not have to be just given but a system to take trust way that works correctly need to exist. [11:17] oiaohm There is no existing model that is without major flaws. [11:20] oiaohm Another horrible factor is human lazyness. Take how many people see a UAC message and just click yes without reading it., [11:30] oiaohm Really all the problems with CA really apply to the invidiual sites if you decide to go self issue. [11:36] vZS1 schestowitz: forgot to mention one other big point. The fact you can't block CAs in your browser and certain certificates is evidence enough of the malice behind the design and implementation of the web today. [11:41] schestowitz added to notes [11:42] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mike Blumenkrantz Concludes His Work on Zink http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144111 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2c9eacfd-d6e8-4156-bf27-03d185946b6a] [11:44] oiaohm vZS1: https://www.ssl.com/how-to/remove-root-certificate-firefox/ Sorry you are wrong. Firefox and chrome both do include means to remove CA you don't trust. [11:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Remove a Root Certificate in Firefox - SSL.com [11:44] oiaohm But the process is not the most user friendly. [11:45] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wine 5.21 Announcement http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144112 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7cd93423-65bf-4d6b-81d9-0e904c84c012] [11:47] oiaohm schestowitz: Claiming you cannot block CA in your browser has never been true. Enterprise usages I know it from having to setup browsers with only the companies CAs so horrible the company could spy on staff by man in middle proxy. [11:50] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Direct3D, SDL2 and FlightGear http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144113 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3ba04e58-36f8-4498-a430-0f2ba18a6177] [11:51] schestowitz oiaohm: I am no cryptography expert/pro, but I know enough to tell you this status quo is all wron [11:51] schestowitz *wrong [11:51] schestowitz as trust is being outsourced and browsers embed this topology [11:51] schestowitz in effect passing control to governments in bed with the companies that develop the browsers [11:52] oiaohm I know enough that the status que is wrong and fixing it is not simple. [11:52] schestowitz I worry less about man in the middle (some tell me I need to say "person" now) [11:52] schestowitz I worry about the endpoints [11:52] schestowitz FB has certd [11:52] schestowitz oh, wow! [11:52] schestowitz privacy [11:52] schestowitz so they securely get my data [11:52] schestowitz for just visiting sites with "like" buttons [11:53] schestowitz and they they sell their data and hand it over to the Trump regime that now calls for beheading of Fauci [11:53] schestowitz for warning about a real health crisis [11:53] oiaohm Of course you are going to have people using facebook still trust facebook and keep on having their data collected no matter how you try to correct the encryption system. [11:53] schestowitz what I want to know [11:54] schestowitz who the people who are staffed by letsencrypt [11:54] schestowitz worked for [11:54] schestowitz previously [11:54] schestowitz or years ago [11:54] schestowitz would be interesting to know [11:54] kingoffrance actually i brought that up in another channel; since in us corps are 14th amendment artificial persons, are they male or female? lol [11:54] schestowitz we know >some< of their names, I have not done any background checks on them [11:54] kingoffrance so "persons" is probably best you can do for facebook man-in-the-middling [11:54] oiaohm kingoffrance: fun part is a human does not have to be just male or female either. [11:54] schestowitz soem tend to gloat in Microsoft LinkedIn (like disseminating s CV to EVERYONE) [11:55] kingoffrance oiaohm, yeah i mean they dont declare anything [11:55] oiaohm kingoffrance: there is techically the rare dna screw up of sexless [11:55] kingoffrance its totally an alchemy thing too wasnt knocking the other possibilities [11:55] oiaohm Of course that causes those people all kinds of nightmares. [11:55] schestowitz those are rare [11:55] schestowitz they're real [11:55] schestowitz not their fault [11:56] schestowitz but rare cases [11:56] schestowitz their real grievances are now exploited to declare the concept of gender as a whole void or man-made [11:56] schestowitz oh, shit [11:56] schestowitz I said man-made [11:56] schestowitz homo sapient-made [11:56] schestowitz so maybe we can be clearer [11:56] schestowitz and start saying things like [11:57] schestowitz person with a penis [11:57] schestowitz or person with urethra [11:57] oiaohm schestowitz: problem is the staff of letencrypt no matter how good they are since they are in the USA the NSA or equal can techically walk up and order them todo what ever and tell no one. [11:57] schestowitz to avoid misunderstanding [11:57] schestowitz oiaohm: yes, NSLs [11:58] schestowitz and many Europeans and even CHinese/Russian rely on it [11:58] schestowitz I even saw Persian sites that do [11:58] schestowitz and they outsource to clownflare [11:58] schestowitz so the traffic is routed via the US [11:58] schestowitz they don't care as long as "it works" [11:58] schestowitz yeah, works for Trump [11:58] oiaohm That problem says you don't want a party approving a certificate really be based in one country., [11:59] oiaohm to make the process of rigging a certificate a complex multi national agreement thing. [11:59] oiaohm That is unlikely to be successful. ● Nov 07 [12:00] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [12:00] kingoffrance does that mean "notification canary" ppl can get in trouble for too? [12:02] oiaohm Technically they can give you a direct order todo nothing that gives any form of notification to the party they are interested in. Or even just basically replace the staff member with their own. [12:02] oiaohm kingoffrance: so sorry the idea of notification canary as protection from government messing does not legally work. [12:03] oiaohm so your objective needs to be make it practically impossible for the government to mess. [12:03] oiaohm without tripping something. [12:04] schestowitz does letsencrypt even have canaries? [12:04] schestowitz never seen any [12:04] schestowitz SELinux project of Red Hat (now IBM) used to issue monthly declarations about no government interventions. Those stopped years ago. What is it they say about canaries? [12:05] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:05] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:06] oiaohm schestowitz: I have never seen any letsencrypt documentation say they have canaries and if you know USA law on the matter canaries is basically false. One of the USA encrypted email systems that is shutdown now had canaries and when the NSA with NSL stepped in they were forbid from using them. So their end users knew nothing. [12:07] oiaohm Yes part of design a new system to replace the current does required understanding the evil you are against. [12:09] oiaohm NSL orders can say you have to keep on putting out that there has been no government interventions. Redhat stopped doing after the encrypted email cases when canaries were proven pointless protection. [12:10] oiaohm Ok there are some countries if you are based in that canaries could be valid but any of the 5 eyes countries they are pointless. + china + russia and quite a few more countries. [12:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:10] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [12:12] oiaohm Lets say you have CA signing system that the certificate of a site can be signed many times in many countries. The NSA would then need to either get the site owner. Or manage to have multi country agreement to mess with the CA to make something appear valid. [12:12] oiaohm Ie signed once would basically be instant hang on that been messed with. [12:13] oiaohm Of course NSA/governement got owner of site there is not anything much you can do about that. [12:15] oiaohm The same could be applied to if we could have git repos mirrored. If a single mirror goes out of alignment with the others that could be sign of someone attempting to mess. [12:15] oiaohm I would call stuff like this as functional canary process. [12:16] oiaohm Its something that is going to trigger if stuff is not working right be this government or server issues. [12:22] kingoffrance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir%27s_Secret_Sharing i always thought that sounded neat [12:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Shamir's Secret Sharing - Wikipedia [12:23] kingoffrance specifically the extensible thing down at the bottom, i.e. you can revoke ex-employees, known bad actors, etc. [12:26] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:27] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144114 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bc36ca0a-2230-42c9-bb37-929ff2d91b28] [12:32] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Subsurface: An Open-source Multi-platform Diving Logbook for Divers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/14411 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2bebc9bf-1385-4ca0-9d6f-5cfee000e0bc] [12:37] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #BluefishEditor 2.2.12 Released with Improved Python 3 Compatibility http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144116 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b87f79b9-f617-45b0-8a07-d5f70b2ae6e5] [12:45] *obarun has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [12:48] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Updates for Poppler, Plasma, Xfce, LLVM 11 Arrive in Tumbleweed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144117 [https://pleroma.site/objects/84c28659-54d6-4e82-984a-a51e719af795] [12:52] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [12:52] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [12:54] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144118 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a38e91e0-8cf3-45df-b40d-5d8b6d00bbc6] ● Nov 07 [13:01] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: AMD, Intel and Mesa Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144119 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7e5a8c02-ca97-4383-b05f-ee8886d08632] [13:16] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144120 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d13bc26b-a2f4-4e6f-8294-b9f98745f02e] [13:18] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144121 [https://pleroma.site/objects/82125cae-f40a-4800-bdc6-f58e20bf0a18] [13:29] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Development and Other Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144122 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bc85e022-9c40-4c8c-9796-688b0bdfff51] [13:30] schestowitz Chaekyung: no article as of late [13:30] schestowitz I noticed your rss feed was also reset a week ago [13:30] schestowitz all old items showing up as "new"/"unread" [13:30] schestowitz did not investigate the cause [13:32] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 7/11/2020: Arch Conf 2020 Talks Published, FlightGear 2020.3, Wine 5.21 http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/arch-conf-2020-talks/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/fc9fe28b-001b-4ec9-9d7c-41e058a9cd77] [13:34] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:34] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:50] *mmu_man has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) [13:51] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [13:52] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:53] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:54] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc27:8c00:9d78:8894:8f6f:9e9d) has joined #techrights [13:57] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:58] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Nov 07 [14:01] *notanamber (~luca@net-5-94-76-120.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #techrights [14:29] XRevan86 "If I remember right in the USA you can vote before you can go to the pub to drown your sorrows over who has won." I don't have a problem with that. [14:35] XRevan86 Regarding Let's Encrypt I see the root of the problem in that it's fairly new, so to support software with old CA certificate bundles they need contractual obligations with an older CA, and they've decided it's no longer worth the effort. [14:37] MinceR schestowitz: what's interesting about that video? [14:45] XRevan86 Maybe it isn't. I've backported CA certificates from newer Android, so at least I won't be affected by this. ● Nov 07 [15:03] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [15:09] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [15:09] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:16] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:17] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:19] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) ● Nov 07 [16:08] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:13] MinceR (cat) https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/f8/67/d8f867f8eb14db54895745778aca32e2.jpg [16:16] *willyg_cos (~joed@95.211.172.97.adsl.inet-telecom.org) has joined #techrights [16:17] CrystalMath :P [16:18] schestowitz OK, time to do a bunch of articles :-) [16:18] schestowitz had a 2+ hour nap [16:24] *willyg_cos has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:26] MinceR (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/XIgj23a.mp4 [16:27] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [16:27] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:30] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:32] *inky (~inky@37.252.67.70) has joined #techrights [16:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:34] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:36] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:37] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:42] scientes vZS1, you know what we REALLY NEED? [16:42] scientes Regarding Let's Encrypt I see the root of the problem in that it's fairly new, so to support software with old CA certificate bundles they need contractual obligations with an older CA, and they've decided it's no longer worth the effort. [16:42] scientes exactly [16:42] scientes they needed it to launch [16:43] scientes and now they are like "fuck those ass-hats" [16:43] scientes especially when they are the type of guys that get along well with the free software people at the web browser places [16:43] scientes bro code [16:43] scientes Mark Shuttleworth managed to go to space (literally) by doing exactly that [16:44] scientes Damn, I wish I was younger and cold have just played the $$ dollar slot machine to go to space [16:44] scientes like Warren Buffet [16:44] scientes and other puffs of air [16:46] scientes XRevan86, whoever thinks the grass is greener on the other side of the mountain usually forgets that stupidity is infinite at all points in the universe ● Nov 07 [17:13] schestowitz I am doing an article on LE [17:13] schestowitz I dug up their IRS filings [17:13] schestowitz this should be interesting [17:15] schestowitz MinceR: why backwards? [17:15] MinceR for teh lulz [17:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/463344200_201812_990_2019110116809348.pdf [17:15] schestowitz find any oddities [17:15] schestowitz I found severa [17:15] MinceR but if you want it forwards, it's at https://imgur.com/gallery/T0fGvhV [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My upstairs neighbours are getting better with their hobby - Album on Imgur [17:16] schestowitz cheer [17:16] schestowitz cheers [17:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/free-privacy-lunch/ [17:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lets Encrypt is Garbage, Albeit Its Disguised as Free Privacy | Techrights ● Nov 07 [18:02] CrystalMath schestowitz: what do you think of the censorship Trump and his supporters have experienced through the last few years? [18:02] schestowitz cite examples [18:02] schestowitz I saw some, and they're not good examples [18:03] schestowitz the high-profile latest example if Bannon calling for heads to be put on pikes [18:03] schestowitz basically beheading health officials and head of FBI (director) [18:03] schestowitz Trump declaring falsehoods [18:03] schestowitz his son did too [18:03] schestowitz and deliberately saw [18:03] schestowitz strategic lies [18:03] CrystalMath falsehoods according to you [18:03] schestowitz that pose a threat to truth as well as elections [18:03] schestowitz CrystalMath: cite examples [18:03] CrystalMath so you support censorship? [18:03] MinceR "from my point of view, the jedi are evil!" [18:04] schestowitz where they flag as false a true post [18:04] CrystalMath MinceR: mine too [18:04] MinceR :> [18:04] schestowitz CrystalMath: they did not censor in these cases but flagged [18:04] schestowitz different thing [18:04] schestowitz maybe we miscommunicate [18:04] schestowitz I refer to Twitter mostly [18:04] schestowitz Twitler [18:04] schestowitz It became less afraid to flag Trump when it realised his days were numbered anyway [18:05] schestowitz They admitted he violated their T&Cs many times [18:05] schestowitz but feared retaliation if they banned him altogether [18:05] schestowitz Trump threatened violence many times [18:05] schestowitz and publicly called for it [18:05] MinceR i really don't know what people who rely on a corporation they do not own for a platform expect [18:05] schestowitz even against whole nations [18:05] CrystalMath what about others... what about every post that for example cites the fact that COVID-19 only killed about a million people? [18:05] CrystalMath and is therefore not dangerous [18:06] schestowitz 'only' [18:06] schestowitz it killed about a million, say official numbers [18:06] CrystalMath yes [18:06] schestowitz the numbers come from health officials of nations [18:06] schestowitz not WHO [18:06] CrystalMath that's a miserably poor result for a supposed plague [18:06] schestowitz so take the challenge to NHS, ministers of health, HHS etc. [18:06] CrystalMath it's unnoticable [18:06] schestowitz CDC I think does not directly deal with these figures [18:06] CrystalMath the hong kong flu took 40 million [18:07] schestowitz yes, so? [18:07] CrystalMath in a time when the global population was 4 billion [18:07] schestowitz this one could outdo 40 million [18:07] schestowitz if we did not stay at home [18:07] schestowitz (which we still do) [18:07] schestowitz lockdown resumed here 3 days ago [18:07] schestowitz today is day 3 of second lockdown across all of England [18:07] MinceR "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic." -- Joseph Stalin [18:07] CrystalMath Sweden never did one [18:07] schestowitz MinceR: lol [18:07] schestowitz how fitting [18:08] schestowitz CrystalMath: they still work from home and wear masks [18:08] schestowitz unlike COVIDiots [18:08] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:08] schestowitz they never said COVID-19 was not a threat [18:08] CrystalMath Belarus never did one [18:08] schestowitz Sweden is culturally better than the US [18:08] CrystalMath and they don't even do what you said [18:08] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights [18:08] CrystalMath Russia also won't do another lockdown, according to Putin [18:09] CrystalMath but they have a vaccine [18:09] CrystalMath so idk [18:09] schestowitz lol [18:09] schestowitz so do I [18:09] schestowitz I call it [18:09] schestowitz Apollo 5 [18:09] schestowitz Coming soon [18:09] XRevan86 CrystalMath: It's *still* undertested. [18:10] XRevan86 And after a statement that people who got COVID-19 after taking the vaccine *must've* been in the placebo group, I don't take it all that seriously. [18:10] schestowitz they test is on southeast Asians [18:10] schestowitz and maybe Latin Americans [18:10] schestowitz I heard some people died from Sputnik 5/V [18:10] schestowitz but what MinceR said, from Stalin [18:10] schestowitz it doesn't officially fail until they have a "statistic" [18:10] XRevan86 I haven't heard of deaths from it. I think someone died from COVID-19. But maybe they got a placebo. [18:11] schestowitz rianne said it was another vaccine [18:11] MinceR XRevan86: they'll just test it in production! [18:11] schestowitz sorry, not Sputik Homeopathy [18:11] MinceR well, on people. [18:11] MinceR who cares? :> [18:11] schestowitz *Sputnik [18:11] schestowitz Somewhere in Brazil [18:11] MinceR people get to pay to become test subjects [18:11] CrystalMath schestowitz: nothing suggests to me that COVID-19 would kill anywhere near 80 million [18:11] CrystalMath even if left to its own devices [18:12] CrystalMath which would be the threshold for having a noticable effect on the entire world [18:12] XRevan86 In actuality, the situation in St. Petersburg is very unpleasant. But business as usual. [18:13] CrystalMath a million people... like more than that are born every week [18:13] MinceR yeah, the birth rate needs to be reduced in a controllable way [18:13] MinceR otherwise it will be reduced (along with population) in an uncontrollable way [18:15] CrystalMath you know i really think that people involved with techrights genuinely do wish for good things like privacy, dignity, and integrity... but i think most go about it the wrong way [18:15] CrystalMath namely, you support things that will ultimately lead to the destruction of these things [18:15] CrystalMath such as leftism [18:16] XRevan86 Only Trump & Putin will lead us to the world of truly free software. [18:16] MinceR lol [18:16] XRevan86 it'll be beautiful [18:16] CrystalMath well no... [18:17] schestowitz haha [18:17] CrystalMath but Trump and Putin buy us time to develop it [18:17] MinceR for the handful of survivors after the apocalypse that they'll cause, yes [18:17] CrystalMath you see, it's the development of technology that leads to the destruction of freedom [18:17] MinceR we've discussed this already, it doesn't [18:17] XRevan86 Ah, sabotage from Trump & Putin is what buys time, got it. [18:17] CrystalMath and so, anyone who is anti-science like Trump supporters, is actually helping us [18:18] MinceR it leads to long-term survival and the flourishing of freedom, if done right [18:18] CrystalMath it cannot be done right because most humans can't do anything right [18:18] MinceR and you don't get to have advanced technology without science [18:18] CrystalMath right, but we need the progress to stop so that we can catch up [18:18] CrystalMath with freedom [18:18] MinceR also, according to 2 political compass tests, i'm not leftist [18:18] MinceR or rightist [18:19] CrystalMath i did one and i got that i'm right-leaning and ultra-libertarian [18:19] XRevan86 That's an interesting take, I haven't thought of a concept that an inefficient government drowning in its own piss is what can help software freedom flourish [18:19] CrystalMath like, on the compass, i was 100% libertarian and 60% right-wing [18:19] CrystalMath XRevan86: honestly i consider moving to Cuba [18:19] CrystalMath over there everything progresses so slowly [18:19] CrystalMath but honestly, my laziness would get the better of me, and i'd just enjoy life in the past and then die [18:19] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I doubt that view of Cuba is up to date. [18:20] MinceR yes, but maybe it has "progressed" so far that the party will allow you to own a computer there! [18:20] CrystalMath MinceR: yep [18:20] CrystalMath it does [18:20] MinceR maybe before you die, they'll even allow you to connect to the Internet! [18:20] MinceR such freedom. [18:20] MinceR what a rightist utopia, that cuba. [18:20] CrystalMath lol, no :P [18:20] CrystalMath but i mean, being inefficient [18:20] CrystalMath is actually good when talking about government [18:20] MinceR well, stalinism does inefficience quite well [18:21] MinceR so does religious fundamentalism [18:21] XRevan86 CrystalMath: But you can go to North Korea and enjoy your freedom there. [18:21] MinceR s/nce/ncy/ [18:21] MinceR yeah, north korea is way ahead of cuba [18:21] CrystalMath right, they have legal marijuana, and are pro-LGBT too [18:21] MinceR getting a computer or Internet access won't be your problem if you move there [18:21] MinceR getting food will be [18:22] MinceR https://i.redd.it/glevyd9y07921.jpg [18:22] CrystalMath but leftism doesn't have freedom in its future [18:22] XRevan86 Oh yea, that one picture moves MinceR very far away from leftism. [18:23] XRevan86 because of the three guys on the left [18:23] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 8 Best Free Linux Data Science Notebook Software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144123 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a7d2ec10-e643-45ed-b06f-d312bccf9daf] [18:23] CrystalMath whose's the second from the left? [18:24] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 10 Best Linux Web Caches For Better Performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144124 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c321851b-b0c2-42e1-9ca0-ff7a9007948a] [18:24] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Engels [18:24] CrystalMath ah [18:25] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: My Linux Setup in 2020 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144125 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ae03af08-a901-44ac-ab25-2d50fcc2588d] [18:42] kingoffrance "left" and "right" came out of circa 1789 french revolution. the only thing they actually mean are"do we execute the king" or "do we let him live and vote him out" they are both monarchist-derived. [18:42] CrystalMath https://dbhq.github.io/results/?czE9NyZzMD05MCZ0MT01MiZ0MD0xMiZjMD02NyZmZW1pPTcxJmMxPTE5JmIwPTcxJmIxPTEyJm0xPTc5Jm0wPTcmcDA9MTImcDE9NzkmajA9NzYmajE9MTAmZTA9NDUmZTE9MzgmYW5hcj0xMDA= [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dbhq.github.io | PolitiScales - Results [18:42] CrystalMath hmm, long link [18:42] CrystalMath just did a politiscales test [18:42] kingoffrance that was there disagreement: how to handle the king [18:42] kingoffrance *their [18:43] CrystalMath woah, i'm up +30% on ecology since a year ago [18:43] CrystalMath and +5% on communism [18:44] CrystalMath +7% on laissez-faire [18:45] CrystalMath and +10% on constructivism [18:45] CrystalMath also +12% on nationalism somehow, dunno what i answered to cause that [18:45] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wine-Staging 5.21 Released For 737 Patches On Top Of Wine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144112#comment-27083 [https://pleroma.site/objects/78bdffb3-03b0-435d-b49b-2f0f7333c60e] [18:48] CrystalMath how to become more concerned about ecology: look at a picture of a beautiful field from the 50s and then go see it now after it's been dug up by an oil company [18:48] CrystalMath worked for me [18:49] CrystalMath definitely a strong push towards anarcho-primitivism [18:49] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OpenGL on top of Vulkan with Zink http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144111#comment-27085 [https://pleroma.site/objects/acb38aae-31db-4a1b-8b20-b2dedb36f8b7] [18:59] *anonymous (beda0141@190.218.1.65) has joined #techrights [18:59] anonymous hi, if your site cares so much about privacy, then why isn't it encrypted? ● Nov 07 [19:01] CrystalMath maybe it's hard to get a cert [19:01] CrystalMath that's what i assumed [19:01] anonymous Let's Encrypt gives you free certs [19:01] anonymous surprised people don't know this by now [19:01] CrystalMath http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/free-privacy-lunch/ [19:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lets Encrypt is Garbage, Albeit Its Disguised as Free Privacy | Techrights [19:01] anonymous and what's wrong with paying a little extra for privacy, anyways? [19:02] XRevan86 anonymous: There are technical reasons. [19:02] XRevan86 anonymous: And schestowitz is also LE-sceptical, which may affect his priorities. [19:02] anonymous and hackers can hack packet recipients' browsers if the packets aren't encrypted [19:03] anonymous and does this site have an onion address, too? [19:03] schestowitz coming soon [19:03] anonymous i just found it on duckduckgo so i assume it's at least a semi-authority site [19:04] schestowitz duckduckgo si worse garbage than LE [19:04] anonymous what's the best alternative? [19:04] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/07/02/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/ [19:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why People Should Never Ever Use DuckDuckGo | Techrights [19:04] CrystalMath there's startpage.com [19:04] anonymous yea, that's the article i found [19:04] anonymous how i found this site [19:04] schestowitz there's more to privacy than packets that don't even contain passwords [19:04] anonymous that's what i thought at first but there are more reasons [19:05] *XRevan86 just checked: startpage.com still blocks me %). [19:05] anonymous how do we know startpage is better? [19:05] schestowitz CrystalMath: startpage is mass surveillance http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage [19:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights [19:05] schestowitz they are system1 [19:05] schestowitz seems they lacked a business model [19:05] schestowitz as many do [19:05] schestowitz so they silently sell out [19:05] schestowitz WaterFox did [19:05] schestowitz they are system1 now [19:06] XRevan86 anonymous: Seems like in the search engine area one is pretty much screwed. [19:06] XRevan86 anonymous: There are things like Searx, but you know. [19:06] schestowitz https://system1.com/press/system1-welcomes-waterfox [19:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-System1 : Waterfox Has Joined System1 [19:06] CrystalMath schestowitz: it works over tor though [19:06] CrystalMath sometimes it's the only search that does [19:07] schestowitz XRevan86: depends on whose instance [19:07] XRevan86 > We apologize for the inconvenience: to prevent possible abuse of the Startpage.com service, your Internet connection has been prevented from accessing it at this time. [19:07] XRevan86 > This happens when a large number of search requests are received from one's Internet connection in a short amount of time -- for example, if you are using "screen-scraping" software, or if you are sharing a connection with many people, perhaps through a proxy service. [19:07] XRevan86 CrystalMath: If startpage.com works over TOR, it's a bug :D [19:07] schestowitz lol [19:08] XRevan86 schestowitz: Indeed. [19:08] schestowitz https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/f3gqoc/privacy_browser_waterfox_appears_to_be_sold_to/ [19:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Privacy browser Waterfox appears to be sold to System1, a U.S. pay-per-click ad company that recently bought a majority of the Startpage search engine : privacy [19:08] XRevan86 And personal instances are useless in terms of cloaking oneself. [19:09] anonymous but is ddg still preferable to google? [19:09] XRevan86 anonymous: In my opinion, it is. [19:09] *schestowitz makes new rule for oneself, no talking (myself) about covid19 here... I had something in mind (mental overload) while typing response to covid denier, then forgot what it was, wasted 5 minutes in vain trying to recall what that thing wa [19:10] schestowitz XRevan86: low standards [19:10] schestowitz biden-trump syndrome [19:10] anonymous and what's wrong with LE? [19:10] anonymous i use it [19:10] schestowitz it's not the worst [19:10] schestowitz and it's cheap [19:10] XRevan86 schestowitz: I know. What else is there to do though? Do you use search engines? [19:10] anonymous i thought it's a just an org that companies donate to to give ppl free certs [19:10] schestowitz but I saw some activists use it... who should know better [19:10] schestowitz they're targets to the US government [19:11] schestowitz XRevan86: I do, but am not happy with the status quo [19:11] anonymous i mean, reddit's privacy community endoreses ddg, firefox, linux, etc [19:11] *schestowitz used scroogled, startpage until things became suspicious [19:11] *schestowitz used webcrawlers a lot back in the 90s and early 2000s... not it's system1-owned, just like startpage [19:12] schestowitz *now [19:12] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/11/04/startpage-dogpile-webcrawler-metacrawler/ [19:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage, Dogpile, WebCrawler, MetaCrawler and Maybe Many Others Send Data to a Surveillance Company Subsidised by the Goldman Sachs-Connected Court Square Capital Partners | Techrights [19:12] anonymous and why does this site have two separate freenode scripts [19:12] anonymous or is that just freenode and nothing to do with this site [19:12] anonymous i'm using noscript [19:13] smnthermes I thought the "anonymous" nickname would already be reserved [19:13] anonymous yea, it's more sarcasm because i'm probably not anonymous [19:14] anonymous especially due to stuff like this site not being encrypted [19:14] anonymous so i guess anyone who wanted to could read this whole chat. MITM attack [19:14] schestowitz I see the IP [19:15] anonymous maybe the sjw's will force us all to rename it to 'PITM' attack [19:15] schestowitz [18:59] --> anonymous (beda0141@190.xxxx.1.xxxx) has joined this channel. [19:15] schestowitz bots are persons? [19:15] anonymous if anonymous is taken, there's still anonymouse [19:15] schestowitz corporations are, I'm told [19:15] *anonymous has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:16] schestowitz showing the IP again [19:17] schestowitz Panama https://ipinfo.io/AS18809/190.218.0.0/16-190.218.0.0/23 [19:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-190.218.0.0/23 Netblock Details - Cable Onda - IPinfo.io [19:17] smnthermes [16:04:20] http://techrights.org/2020/07/02/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/ [19:17] smnthermes [19:17] smnthermes DDG is also using Microsoft Azure CDN in its 1st party domain [19:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why People Should Never Ever Use DuckDuckGo | Techrights [19:17] smnthermes If you don't live in the US, Flagfox extension will shows a flag of your country or a close one [19:17] CrystalMath one can still use lycos.com [19:18] smnthermes will show* [19:18] MinceR PKI itself isn't terribly trustworthy either [19:18] CrystalMath it's so ridiculously underused that nobody cares what people search there [19:18] CrystalMath it's also owned by Trump republican [19:18] CrystalMath *a Trump [19:18] MinceR it's vulnerable to Rubber-Hose Cryptanalysis at any CA accepted by major browsers [19:18] smnthermes And it shows Microsoft as ISP, despite DDG being hosted by AWS [19:18] CrystalMath lycos.com is an option :) [19:19] CrystalMath it also works over tor [19:19] schestowitz CrystalMath: thanks for reminding me not to 'debate' COVID again [19:19] schestowitz in these contextx [19:19] schestowitz in these contexts [19:19] schestowitz like I don't 'debate' climate change [19:19] schestowitz Lycos is owned and funded by who? [19:19] CrystalMath schestowitz: i'm not a covid denier, i simply don't believe it's dangerous; i don't even dispute the facts [19:19] schestowitz it's a similar category [19:20] schestowitz you claim fake about aspects of it [19:20] schestowitz not its very existence [19:20] schestowitz but things like its severity and measures taken [19:20] XRevan86 one can still use rambler.ru; it's so ridiculously underused that nobody cares what people search there; it's also owned by a Russian state bank [19:20] CrystalMath schestowitz: yes i believe the measures are overblown [19:20] schestowitz many climate change deniers say: 1) humans can't do anything about it or 2) not human's fault [19:20] schestowitz (while acknowledging that it warms up) [19:21] CrystalMath schestowitz: i believe that it's normal for a million people to die, because this happens every week [19:21] schestowitz *humans' [19:21] CrystalMath so like why make a fuss about it? [19:21] smnthermes [16:18:55] lycos.com is an option :) [19:21] smnthermes [19:21] smnthermes Or searx.pussthecat.org [19:21] schestowitz CrystalMath: not with hospitals overloaded like this [19:21] schestowitz this kills many who are denied access to other health services [19:21] schestowitz and we lack the number of respirators and ventilators we need [19:21] schestowitz anyway, enough of that [19:21] CrystalMath they put people on ventilators before it's needed IMO [19:21] schestowitz searx now... [19:22] schestowitz I found one instance that has worked for months [19:22] CrystalMath there's an instance at snopyta [19:22] schestowitz https://searx.feneas.org [19:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searx.feneas.org | searx [19:22] schestowitz But I cannot vouch for its credibility [19:22] schestowitz I just know it's almost always available [19:22] schestowitz unlike many others that I tried [19:22] schestowitz yewtu.be is also excellent [19:22] CrystalMath no it's not [19:23] CrystalMath it blocks browsers that don't run javascript [19:23] CrystalMath thanks for reminding me to crack that [19:23] CrystalMath i personally use invidious.kavin.rocks and invidious.zapashcanon.fr [19:24] CrystalMath but yewtu.be requires some cookie that is computed by some heavy javascript code that changes [19:24] CrystalMath nevertheless, i caught a pattern for the stuff they have and i'm certain i could write a program to generate this cookie [19:25] CrystalMath something like what youtube-dl used to do before JSInterpreter [19:25] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [19:25] CrystalMath can you believe yewtu.be though, they even have code to attack people trying to run it in node.js [19:26] CrystalMath i've never seen such extreme pro-javascript aggression [19:27] CrystalMath well, i've seen sites that come close [19:27] CrystalMath like byethost17 [19:27] CrystalMath i cracked theirs [19:27] CrystalMath they do AES encryption of a cookie [19:29] schestowitz the JS aspect is annoying indeed [19:31] CrystalMath i should make a universal bypasser for these sites [19:31] CrystalMath i think i'll call it, the JSpasser [19:31] CrystalMath a pun on trespassert [19:31] CrystalMath *trespasser [19:32] CrystalMath to bypass all forms of anti-noscript "protection" [19:32] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rWifmDuJEA [19:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TRESPASSER! - YouTube [19:40] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144127 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ee53b266-c8a8-44d5-add7-0a13f21c1100] [19:43] *inky (~inky@5.77.189.137) has joined #techrights ● Nov 07 [20:07] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc27:8c00:9d78:8894:8f6f:9e9d) has joined #techrights ● Nov 07 [21:05] *titanbiscuit has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [21:10] *titanbiscuit (~tbisk@193.148.18.52) has joined #techrights [21:49] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [21:56] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/toilet-paper [21:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Toilet Paper ● Nov 07 [22:02] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #ZDNet Calls #Windows #Ransomware #Linux to Keep Pages About Linux Full of Fear-Mongering Nonsense http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/ransomware-at-zdnet/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/9b8784fd-ce4d-4f11-8388-39609e367117] [22:11] DaemonFC[m] It's actually going to be kind of hard to say no to a Walmart laptop when the time comes. [22:11] DaemonFC[m] Most of them can run Linux and I have my 15% discount. [22:13] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I just bought a second Honeywell air purifier. Between the discount and the electric company sending you $50 rebate checks... [22:13] DaemonFC[m] I'm allergic as hell to dust mites and this apartment has dust like whoa. Like you can see the air when the sun shines in. [22:13] DaemonFC[m] With one in the bedroom and one in the living room the air is actually, you know, invisible. [22:14] DaemonFC[m] It took a long time to get the permanent filter technology right. [22:14] DaemonFC[m] Those Ionic Breeze things turned out to be junk and they put a metric assload of Ozone into the air. [22:14] DaemonFC[m] They ended up causing more health problems than the stuff they were scrubbing out of the air. [22:15] DaemonFC[m] HEPA works, but if you run enough of them to get the same effect say hello to another $50 a month on your electric bill, AND there's a $20 filter every few months on all of them. [22:31] vZS1 DaemonFC[m]: what do you do on the laptop? [22:37] DaemonFC[m] Just browse and Bittorrent. Some document stuff. [22:45] vZS1 DaemonFC[m]: that's doable on a budget laptop. A lightweight Linux distribution like Debian will keep things hassle-free. And I recommend using a window manager instead of a full-blown desktop environment like Gnome or KDE. Awesomewm is a good one. [22:45] vZS1 i3 works too [22:47] vZS1 DEs eat up a lot of RAM and CPU for almost no gain. [22:51] vZS1 Btw, anyone else notice storage becoming more expensive? [22:52] vZS1 I've been looking at external HDDs and feels like the price is rising faster than normal [22:52] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [22:55] DaemonFC[m] I updated my voter registration. [22:56] DaemonFC[m] We're having ANOTHER election early next year. Stupid, right? [22:56] DaemonFC[m] Waste money doing it all over again for locals. ● Nov 07 [23:01] MinceR debian is no longer lightweight :> [23:04] smnthermes Because of systemd? [23:05] MinceR and gnome [23:05] MinceR and probably other shit they dragged in because it's "modern" [23:11] DaemonFC[m] Biden will get 306 electoral votes, to Trump's 232. [23:11] DaemonFC[m] Trump got 306 last time and Clinton got 232, from different states. [23:12] oiaohm That wacky. [23:12] DaemonFC[m] That must sting. [23:12] schestowitz :-D [23:12] DaemonFC[m] Remember when he said he defeated her by the biggest margin ever and she was such a loser? [23:13] DaemonFC[m] Now he gets her vote total from 2016. That's just priceless. [23:14] oiaohm schestowitz: https://letsencrypt.org/2020/11/06/own-two-feet.html this here also shows another thing that is really bad. It says the CA lists on those android devices have not been updated from 2016. What about all the cases where a CA has been revoked from 2016 to now for doing bad things like selling full blown wild card certificates. Those old Android devices using include browser says that stuff is fine. [23:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-letsencrypt.org | Standing on Our Own Two Feet - Let's Encrypt - Free SSL/TLS Certificates [23:15] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19387049 [23:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Golf-ball-for-brains will hopefully be arrested soon. #LockHimUp https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/06/trump-melts-down-biden-campaign-verging-win-says-it-will-be-perfectly-capable [23:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.commondreams.org | As Trump Melts Down, Biden CampaignVerging on WinSays It Will Be 'Perfectly Capable of Escorting Trespassers' From White House | Common Dreams News [23:15] oiaohm Lot of ways CA system to work in theory is a lot like an anti-virus. Anti-virus without updated signatures is bad. CA system without maintained and updated CA lists is bad. [23:16] schestowitz hilarious [23:16] MinceR it's a bad idea anyway [23:16] schestowitz even with double L [23:16] schestowitz Hillaryious [23:16] vZS1 Install the Debian server image [23:16] vZS1 That shouldn't have GNOME on it [23:17] MinceR still has cancerd [23:17] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144128 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b5f425d3-d4d8-41a5-901e-43118990e4f7] [23:18] vZS1 systemd doesn't really effect performance that much. My Pi has systemd on it and it barely makes a dent in the resource consumption. [23:18] schestowitz depends on the specs [23:19] schestowitz it sabotaged a lot in my old laptop [23:19] schestowitz from 2009 [23:19] schestowitz took ages to boot and shut down [23:19] schestowitz like 5 times longer, each [23:19] schestowitz and performance in general was not the same [23:19] schestowitz I am no systemd expert, so the correlation may be misplaced and coincidental [23:19] schestowitz but the experience was, gnu/linux felt worse over time in those years [23:19] oiaohm I still remember the embedded one where they compared systemd vs sysvinit vs busybox. For memory usage. All those different starting of bash/dash/busybox shell turn out not to be free. [23:19] schestowitz systemd was integrated around 2015 [23:20] oiaohm Lot to of cases systemd is lighter in memory. [23:20] schestowitz chromeOS still uses upstart of sysV iirc [23:20] schestowitz I think the latter [23:20] schestowitz didn't keep track [23:20] schestowitz so Google rejects the "Excellent" IBMd [23:20] vZS1 On my Pi, systemd takes up about 41 MB of RAM on idle [23:21] schestowitz same here [23:21] schestowitz but it's part of the story [23:21] oiaohm systemd did cause stall outs shutdown due to in fact detecting services still running and waiting for them to stop when sysvinit would just kill them out right. [23:21] schestowitz remember MS Office 'heats' up on Windows [23:21] schestowitz to fake startup time [23:21] oiaohm Lot of cases there were issues with service shutdowns. [23:21] schestowitz so you pay a tax for perception of lightweight, speed, etc. [23:21] vZS1 It's not ideal but it's not the worst. Besides, I don't have any hard dependencies on systemd so I'm fine. [23:21] oiaohm that systemd made displayed and have been fixed in recent years. [23:22] vZS1 I run BSD machines just fine without it [23:22] schestowitz maybe it performs well (does for me) on more modern machines [23:22] schestowitz but being an upgrade treadmill thing is a Bad Thing(E) [23:22] schestowitz (R) [23:22] oiaohm Some of those one where systemd stalled on shutdown that were fixed. Explained using sysvinit system would result in random data stuff up if sysvinit managed to kill the service at exactly the right time. [23:22] MinceR the more resources you can throw at it, the better it will perform [23:23] MinceR that doesn't make it lightweight [23:23] oiaohm Using shell script does not mean it always lightweight either. [23:23] MinceR at least the shell scripts don't keep running all the time [23:24] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144126 [https://pleroma.site/objects/27082c3a-ef8f-4c15-ac93-280afb1b8635] [23:24] vZS1 systemd is a kitchen sink solution [23:24] oiaohm Yes and no lot of sysvinit shell script for services had lets pipe the output to some logging/monitoring that results in the bash not closing. [23:24] vZS1 It has its use cases [23:25] MinceR then they were incorrectly written [23:25] oiaohm shell scripts some of them from sysvinit would stay running for the complete time the system was up. [23:25] oiaohm That was in the refrence implementation. [23:25] MinceR then the reference implementation was badly written [23:25] vZS1 It's more when I'm having to deal with people who don't know anything other than systemd [23:26] MinceR and yes, systemd has its uses cases... for ibm and the nsa [23:26] MinceR it's definitely useful for them [23:27] oiaohm Being a little smarter than sysvinit so being willing to wait for a service to end instead of dropping sedge hammer on it does have it uses in a lot of places. [23:27] oiaohm Lot of odd ball data screw ups disappeared by that change. [23:28] MinceR i wouldn't call waiting for an NFS server forever "smarter" than the good old SIGTERM, wait, SIGKILL, poweroff [23:29] MinceR i also wouldn't call just plain SIGKILLing your shell "smarter" than that [23:29] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: My experience has generally been the opposite. Boot and shut down are faster, even on older systems, but the delay in waiting for a service that won't shut down is way too long before killing it, requiring non-default options. [23:29] schestowitz what specs/ [23:29] schestowitz ? [23:29] vZS1 I think the reason it caught on is because it provided some sort of standard for distributions to converge towards. I may be wrong [23:29] schestowitz today rianne had to restart plasma [23:29] schestowitz after months before restart memory leaks added up [23:30] schestowitz to 25% of her total RAM [23:30] schestowitz kquitapp5 plasmashell [23:30] schestowitz kstart5 plasmashell [23:30] schestowitz sorted! [23:30] vZS1 Ouch [23:30] DaemonFC[m] I've used systemd distributions on everything from an old Phenom II from 2009 and a Core 2 Duo from 2006 through this laptop. [23:30] MinceR no, the reason it caught is because 1) some distros are controlled by hedrat and will do what their suits say; 2) many distros are derived from those; 3) debian was taken over from the inside by hedrat-controlled gnome people; 4) lots of distros are derived from debian and 5) many distros are maintained by people who have no idea what they're doing [23:30] oiaohm Systemd does not wait forever. Waits a longer. Lot of NFS server stalls to disconnect turn out to be some other service using it that has not stopped yet. [23:31] schestowitz vZS1: with lockdowns we got back in the groove [23:31] schestowitz approx. 10 posts/day [23:31] oiaohm That is one of the problems with sysvinit is at times it will kill NFS server before its killed the services using the NFS share. [23:31] MinceR e.g. arch replaced their sysvinit/rc with cancerd because they couldn't write or steal workable rc scripts [23:31] schestowitz later on we'll sort out alts to www [23:31] vZS1 That's a lot of writing [23:31] DaemonFC[m] Eh, all this stuff that claims to be free of systemd is all fucked up in other ways. [23:31] schestowitz no gym so.. [23:31] DaemonFC[m] And really crusty too. [23:31] vZS1 MinceR: I do prefer my good ol' FreeBSD rc scripts. They're dumb and simple. [23:31] MinceR [citation needed] [23:32] MinceR vZS1: with rc.subr? [23:32] schestowitz what does guix do for init? [23:32] vZS1 They have a service manager of their own [23:32] oiaohm FreeBSD kernel does not have some of the Linux kernel strangeness. [23:32] vZS1 Called Shepherd [23:33] MinceR then again, i'm not sure when is freebsd planning to force launchd in place of their rc scripts [23:33] oiaohm Like Linux it possible for processes to disconnect themselves from the parrent. [23:33] schestowitz https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937 [23:33] schestowitz noted for headline [23:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | US election 2020: Biden beats Trump to US presidency, BBC projects - BBC News [23:33] oiaohm In ways that you cannot work out what the parrent was. [23:33] oiaohm So cgroups in Linux is required to work around Linux kernel strangeness. [23:34] DaemonFC[m] Mom's having me work on her credit. [23:34] DaemonFC[m] I got a couple medical bills from collections to fall off and successfully got the credit bureaus to remove some of her bankruptcy accounts using early exclusions. [23:35] oiaohm BSD kernel you can get away with lot simpler init solution that works properly because the strangeness the Linux kernel has is not BSD kernel feature. [23:36] schestowitz [23:34] Mom's having me work on her credit. [23:36] schestowitz give her a cup [23:36] schestowitz for the Trump MAGA tears [23:36] vZS1 MinceR: just the old `/etc/rc.d/*` and `/usr/local/rc.d/*` [23:36] DaemonFC[m] Oh, she was pissed. [23:36] schestowitz good [23:36] DaemonFC[m] It was pretty funny really. [23:36] schestowitz serves her right [23:36] schestowitz she voted for a fraud [23:37] vZS1 I still think systemd offers good performance for everything it does [23:37] vZS1 I haven't ever run into a resource issue with it [23:37] CrystalMath biden is the real fraud [23:37] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/performance-review [23:37] CrystalMath if you don't believe me, just listen to him say it [23:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Performance Review [23:37] MinceR good performance for doing things that should not be done? [23:38] schestowitz CrystalMath: the lesser one [23:38] CrystalMath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0 [23:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Joe Biden brags about having the most extensive and inclusive VOTER FRAUD organization in history. - YouTube [23:38] vZS1 :shrug: just another tool in the toolbox for me [23:38] schestowitz maybe taken out of context or faked [23:39] oiaohm CrystalMath: funny there was documented stuff about that with trump. [23:39] schestowitz voter fraud prevention or whatnot [23:39] schestowitz youtube isn't a source [23:39] CrystalMath nope, i remember this from a long time ago [23:39] MinceR "I have no idea what this is, looks GREAT on the pegboard though." [23:39] schestowitz nor are "tweets" [23:39] CrystalMath it was another one of his gaffes [23:39] DaemonFC[m] Oh, they just got back to me. [23:39] CrystalMath he did admit he's a gaffe machine [23:39] MinceR and what is twitler, then? [23:39] CrystalMath a tweet machine :P [23:40] schestowitz twitlers [23:40] MinceR or perhaps for twitler, a gaffe would be saying something that is sane? [23:40] schestowitz trump no longer gets immunity from jack [23:40] schestowitz bbc amplifies these ludicrous tweets [23:40] DaemonFC[m] They agreed to remove the bankruptcy account regarding her dead ex-husband's mortgage too. [23:40] oiaohm CrystalMath: and that is really badly done deep fake. Look at the lip movement that is trump himself. [23:40] schestowitz frankly, I need to consider many news sites to be noise machines... bbc is one of them since early this year [23:40] schestowitz it also amplified Farage a lot [23:41] schestowitz oiaohm: hence youtube is not a source [23:41] vZS1 They just grab their headlines off Reddit half the time, it seems [23:41] CrystalMath oiaohm: bullcrap, i know this from before [23:41] oiaohm Really a decent done deepfake you don't another person face movements. [23:42] schestowitz https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-04/youtube-accounts-livestream-fake-election-results-to-thousands [23:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTube Accounts Livestream Fake Election Results to Thousands - Bloomberg [23:42] oiaohm That are possible by musle structure. [23:42] CrystalMath okay so you can't tell reality from a deepfake [23:42] oiaohm Opps [23:42] oiaohm Impossible by mussle structure. [23:42] MinceR https://web.archive.org/web/20191220052459/https://www.thefarside.com/2019/12/17/3 [23:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | The Far Side comic strip by Gary Larson from Tuesday, December 17, 2019 | TheFarSide.com [23:42] schestowitz my birthday [23:43] CrystalMath oiaohm: this was mentioned in gaffe colections of biden, even some from cnn [23:43] CrystalMath and the many others [23:43] CrystalMath "poor kids are just as bright as white kids" [23:43] CrystalMath they talked on CNN about that one [23:43] CrystalMath discussed it [23:44] CrystalMath "we choose truth over facts", a fairly tame one, but very funny [23:44] CrystalMath "150 million people were killed as a result of gun crime" [23:44] MinceR https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmQZd56XMAAPUKg?format=jpg&name=orig [23:44] vZS1 Truth over facts [23:44] CrystalMath that one too, ridiculous [23:44] oiaohm CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/kSAo_1mJg0g?t=65 watch a real video of Biden . Both sides of his face move evenly when he talks always does. [23:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Joe Biden: The 60 Minutes 2020 Election Interview - YouTube [23:44] vZS1 I've seen it all now [23:45] kingoffrance yes i believe you cant tell reality from high-quality deepfake, because otherwise us congress wouldve banned them. they did not. they said you have to label them. that tells me they couldnt find a way to tell the difference. [23:45] oiaohm CrystalMath: trump left and right sides move differently. [23:45] kingoffrance otherwise they surely wouldve banned them [23:45] CrystalMath oiaohm: i am seriously not even going to consider for 1 nanosecond that this is a deepfake [23:45] MinceR shallowfake [23:45] CrystalMath this isn't fake at all [23:45] oiaohm Also the texture of his face is missing. [23:46] oiaohm That is another sideeffect of deepfake. [23:46] CrystalMath wow okay from now on i will doubt every video you send to me, even if it features you [23:46] CrystalMath you're being extremely ridiculous about this [23:46] oiaohm LTT did a deepfake of their lead person and did a way better job. [23:47] CrystalMath i didn't mean that he said this on purpose [23:47] CrystalMath or that he really admitted it [23:47] CrystalMath it was a gaffe [23:47] CrystalMath he said other stuff before [23:47] CrystalMath "i don't need your vote" [23:48] smnthermes https://nitter.net/realDonaldTrump/status/1325099845045071873#m [23:48] schestowitz i don't need your vote and... [23:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump): "I WON THIS ELECTION, BY A LOT!" | nitter [23:48] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/3bGC6Gh.gif?noredirect [23:48] smnthermes https://nitter.net/realDonaldTrump/status/1325194709443080192#m [23:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump): "THE OBSERVERS WERE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE COUNTING ROOMS. I WON THE ELECTION, GOT 71,000,000 LEGAL VOTES. BAD THINGS HAPPENED WHICH OUR OBSERVERS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE. NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS WERE SENT TO PEOPLE WHO NEVER ASKED FOR THEM!" | nitter [23:48] schestowitz that could be part of a longer sentence [23:48] smnthermes Lmao [23:48] schestowitz also, it's not illegal to say this to a person or group [23:48] schestowitz LOL [23:48] schestowitz i saw that on bbc [23:48] schestowitz covid in the head [23:48] schestowitz it's back in the body [23:49] MinceR https://www.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1083554782923632640 [23:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Twitter [23:49] schestowitz it's eating the golfball-sized brain [23:49] MinceR https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/449525268529815552?lang=en [23:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@realDonaldTrump: Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases! [23:49] schestowitz I can't even read it [23:49] schestowitz Donnie is STILL blocking me in Twitter [23:49] CrystalMath the democrats are a disgrace to the united states [23:49] schestowitz he was hurt by my replies...poor snowflake [23:49] MinceR so are the "republicans" [23:50] CrystalMath MinceR: i haven't seen them do this much voter fraud [23:50] schestowitz citation needed [23:50] MinceR yeah, because you can definitely see voter fraud [23:50] schestowitz it's a xenophobic conspiracy theory [23:50] MinceR apparently all the "conservatives" i know have superpowers [23:50] schestowitz usually some fables about trucks of immigrants [23:50] MinceR it's really unfair [23:50] schestowitz so basically using racist trump voters as fodder for baseless claim [23:50] CrystalMath schestowitz: no i'm talking about software being rigged, observers not allowed in [23:51] schestowitz "do you hate hispanics?" [23:51] CrystalMath there's nothing race-related going on [23:51] schestowitz "boy, have we got a story for YOU!" [23:51] MinceR that's interesting [23:51] MinceR i've read about him going to court about the observers [23:51] CrystalMath it's white morons using force to make sure biden wins even though nobody sane would vote for that moron [23:51] MinceR and having to admit that "republican" observers were indeed allowed in [23:51] CrystalMath were they? [23:51] CrystalMath they should testify [23:51] schestowitz armed republicans were allowed in [23:51] schestowitz so-called 'Feds' [23:51] MinceR https://imgur.com/gallery/qUFYsuZ [23:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump is having a rough go of it in court - Album on Imgur [23:52] schestowitz and Orange One still lost [23:52] CrystalMath i don't know about that [23:52] MinceR of course you don't [23:52] CrystalMath i think there was a lot of rigging, andthere's evidence about rigging [23:52] CrystalMath *and there's [23:53] MinceR can't let such things into the bubble [23:53] MinceR it would cause even more cognitive dissonance [23:53] CrystalMath and mail-in ballots coming after 8 PM and other horrors [23:53] schestowitz horrors like qanon? [23:53] MinceR yeah, it's pretty horrible how he had the USPS sabotaged specifically to mess with the election [23:53] CrystalMath nobody cares about qanon [23:53] schestowitz were these sent by pedophiles? [23:53] schestowitz satanic pedophiles with "her emails"? [23:54] schestowitz USPS tried to sabotaged things [23:54] schestowitz it did [23:54] schestowitz to an extent [23:54] schestowitz but not enough [23:54] schestowitz iirc, DaemonFC[m] tried to get his ballot [23:54] DaemonFC[m] DeJoy is about to lose his job. [23:54] schestowitz he had to cancel it because deJoy's mafia would not send it [23:54] DaemonFC[m] Presumably some of those high speed mail sorters will be re-assembled. [23:54] schestowitz eventually voter by other means [23:54] schestowitz [23:54] DeJoy is about to lose his job. [23:54] CrystalMath really? [23:55] schestowitz he gave millions to his 'former' private company [23:55] schestowitz he needs to be prosecuted [23:55] schestowitz for robbing USPS [23:55] CrystalMath did you manage to vote? [23:55] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, it took 16 days to get it to me and the courthouse is right across the street from the post office. [23:55] schestowitz typical Trumpian crime of theft [23:55] schestowitz I can find the link [23:55] DaemonFC[m] By the time they did, I had already voided out the mail ballot and voted in person because I thought it was lost. [23:55] schestowitz 16 days [23:55] schestowitz oh wow [23:55] schestowitz and no lockdowns [23:55] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: okay, good that you voted at least [23:55] CrystalMath even if it was for biden :) [23:56] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, not only in the same city, but on the same street. [23:56] schestowitz maybe it takes one day to read each line on the envelope [23:56] schestowitz and then one day for each mile traveled [23:56] DaemonFC[m] Yes, I absolutely will vote. [23:56] DaemonFC[m] And I also voted for a new prosecutor and coroner to finish off the Republican officials that are elected by the entire county. [23:56] schestowitz good for Mandy also [23:56] schestowitz less terrorisation [23:56] schestowitz but the trump voters will lurk [23:56] DaemonFC[m] The coroner already lost, but there's 114,000 more ballots to be counted. [23:57] schestowitz more vengeful then ever [23:57] schestowitz over their so-called "white genocide" [23:57] DaemonFC[m] They're breaking two to one for the prosecutor candidate that I voted for. [23:57] DaemonFC[m] And he's only down 4,000 before the rest get totaled in. [23:57] schestowitz like all those "white native americans", 90% of whom killed by colonists [23:57] vZS1 We're all real Americans! [23:57] DaemonFC[m] So there will be no countywide elected Republicans when the voting totals are in for Lake County, Illinois. [23:57] vZS1 What natives? [23:58] CrystalMath hey, look, who knows, maybe even after the fraudulent votes are removed, recounted, or even repeated, maybe Biden will be found to have won fair and square, we don't know [23:58] DaemonFC[m] The Republican sheriff lost in 2018 by 136 votes. [23:58] vZS1 Indigenous people aren't real [23:58] vZS1 They're a fairy tail [23:58] DaemonFC[m] The Republican coroner lost this one by at least 900 votes. [23:58] oiaohm CrystalMath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S92Ax9xuk7E even fakes fairly well done well there are alignment errors. The video you had if you look closely top of month was also moving impossible to physical nose. Poorly done deepfakes are quite simple to spot once you look around the mouth for impossible. They are like poorly done fake speedruns they are clear as day they are fake yet people will go around claiming they are real. [23:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Joe Biden Deepfake - YouTube [23:58] MinceR lol [23:58] DaemonFC[m] These are some close calls. [23:58] schestowitz vZS1: mexico used to be a lot bigger [23:58] schestowitz under trump even spaniards and italians are "lesser people" [23:58] schestowitz not "white" [23:58] DaemonFC[m] Like, a bunch of Democrats are winning, but by hundreds or dozens of votes in a county of over 650,000 people. [23:58] schestowitz not "pure" [23:58] schestowitz and they are treated accordingly, the catholics also [23:58] DaemonFC[m] But slowly but surely, the Republican Party is disappearing from Lake County. [23:59] DaemonFC[m] And I wanted to be part of the boot that kicked them out. [23:59] schestowitz it's a tied system , like third reich and their labels (slavs, poles) [23:59] vZS1 So how do you level up to the next tier? [23:59] DaemonFC[m] About all they have left after this election will be less than a third of the county board seats, and the Sheriff, Prosecutor, Coroner, Clerk of the Court, and County Clerk will all be Democrats. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-071120.txt

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