●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, November 06, 2020 ●● ● Nov 06 [00:00] vZS1 https://hackernoon.com/raspberry-pi-headless-install-462ccabd75d0 [00:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackernoon.com | Headless Raspberry Pi Setup | Hacker Noon [00:01] vZS1 You can tweak the image like in that link to set it up headless (: [00:02] vZS1 https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/headless.md [00:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Setting up a Raspberry Pi headless - Raspberry Pi Documentation [00:03] vZS1 That one's for the wireless headless setup [00:05] schestowitz thanks [00:06] vZS1 Anytime [00:06] vZS1 I don't think I'll be up that late though [00:06] vZS1 Already in bed [00:07] schestowitz that sounds... kind of wrong [00:07] vZS1 What? [00:07] schestowitz joke [00:07] vZS1 Ah [00:07] schestowitz both lines [00:07] vZS1 Too tired to notice lol [00:11] schestowitz just generated 0 http://techrights.org/txt f [00:12] vZS1 I like it [00:13] vZS1 Looks like a comfy monospace going [00:13] vZS1 font* [00:14] schestowitz won't muck about with your system settings [00:14] schestowitz the way mediagoblin seems to... [00:15] vZS1 I'd cut down on the special characters a bit [00:15] vZS1 Might throw off some screen readers [00:19] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Mint Unveils New Packages http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143872#comment-27070 [https://pleroma.site/objects/39ac18ac-ed44-46e6-a9dc-b97299ba02e8] [00:20] vZS1 I'm going to head off now. Good luck with the Pi setup [00:21] schestowitz the hyphens and smart quotes? [00:21] schestowitz it's utf-8 [00:21] schestowitz if they cannot do that, most sites would not play nice [00:21] schestowitz but... [00:22] vZS1 I was thinking more the asterisks [00:22] schestowitz find me a sed script to simplify chars [00:22] schestowitz I have some of my own [00:22] schestowitz | sed -e 's/’//' | sed -e 's/’//' | sed -e 's/–/ - /' | sed -e 's/»/ - /' | sed -e 's/'//' | sed -e 's/"/"/' | sed -e 's/—/"/' | sed -e 's/&/\&/' | sed -e 's/&/\&/'| [00:22] schestowitz something like that [00:22] vZS1 Also, don't forget to turn off password authentication for SSH when you're logged in to the Pi [00:22] schestowitz that's for html output [00:23] schestowitz no, I need to change the default password [00:23] schestowitz then install openssh-server [00:23] schestowitz or ssh-server [00:23] schestowitz also, by default, the ssh port would be open only to local lan [00:24] schestowitz unless I configure the hub to channel it all to that device [00:24] vZS1 You can have a pre-built ISO for a lot of that [00:25] vZS1 But it's simpler with physical access and a stock image [00:26] vZS1 Anyway. Bed time for me. Good night [00:33] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Torvalds, Linux 5.11 and Mike Blumenkrantzs Graphics Work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144070 [https://pleroma.site/objects/749e393e-5f4c-488d-b576-29f74994174c] [00:34] schestowitz gn, vZS1 [00:37] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Video/Shows: We NEED more NOOBS on Linux! and Latest #TLLTS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144071 [https://pleroma.site/objects/22aa9aa5-67c8-4d1a-ae3f-02d104f7d809] [00:42] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: GNU Autoconf and Python Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144072 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2b783c48-de6a-47d5-9208-31933f6d0b85] [00:44] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: APVI and Linux Security Hardening for Beginners http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144073 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f1875b44-a23c-4453-948f-233c2f0a652f] [00:48] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144074 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ac58577d-db2d-4b8d-9618-e9500a9434ae] [00:53] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Data Science (Spying on Users) is Hard: ALSA in Firefox http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144075 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1e57e304-1343-4035-9e43-9f9fdd6acb8a] [00:57] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ktown becomes Vtown http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144076 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4a1ca824-87fc-418a-8d3b-2c14cbb8139e] ● Nov 06 [01:00] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SUSE: PayiQ and SUSE Enterprise Storage 7 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144077 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9a7edd72-14e5-4c20-ab17-008ddbcc8b9e] [01:03] liberty_box https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54833459 [01:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Coronavirus: Denmark imposes lockdowns amid mink covid fears - BBC News [01:08] schestowitz https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20201105083002.GA3429143@kroah.com/ [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | Linux Kernel Code of Conduct Committee: October 2020 report - Greg KH [01:08] schestowitz " [01:08] schestowitz From: Greg KH [01:08] schestowitz To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org [01:08] schestowitz Cc: tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org [01:08] schestowitz Subject: Linux Kernel Code of Conduct Committee: October 2020 report [01:08] schestowitz Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 09:30:02 +0100 [01:08] schestowitz Message-ID: <20201105083002.GA3429143@kroah.com> (raw) [01:08] schestowitz Despite our previously hoped-for timely release of these reports that [01:08] schestowitz were mentioned last time: [01:08] schestowitz https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20200103105614.GC1047442@kroah.com/ [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | Linux Kernel Code of Conduct Committee: December 2019 report - Greg KH [01:08] schestowitz that hasn't happened, so here's the report for the first 10 months of [01:08] schestowitz 2020. I will work to do better on this in the future, my apologies. [01:08] schestowitz Linux Kernel Code of Conduct Committee: October 2020 [01:08] schestowitz In the period of January 1, 2020 through October 31, 2020 the Committee [01:08] schestowitz received the following reports: [01:08] schestowitz - Unacceptable behavior or comments in email: 1 [01:08] schestowitz - Unacceptable comments in github repo by non-community members: 1 [01:08] schestowitz - Unacceptable comments toward a company: 1 [01:08] schestowitz The result of the investigation: [01:08] schestowitz - Education and coaching: 1 [01:08] schestowitz - Locking of github repo for any comments: 1 [01:08] schestowitz - Clarification that the Code of Conduct covers conduct related to [01:08] schestowitz individual developers only: 1 [01:08] schestowitz We would like to thank the Linux kernel community members who have [01:08] schestowitz supported the adoption of the Code of Conduct and who continue to uphold [01:09] schestowitz the professional standards of our community. If you have questions [01:09] schestowitz about this report, please write to . [01:09] schestowitz ------------ [01:09] schestowitz The website at https://www.kernel.org/code-of-conduct.html has a list of [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kernel.org | Code of Conduct [01:09] schestowitz this, and other past Code Of Conduct Committee reports. [01:09] schestowitz thanks, [01:09] schestowitz greg k-h [01:09] schestowitz " [01:12] schestowitz zoobab highlighted this to us [01:12] schestowitz zoobab: nothing too bad about how they handled it [01:12] schestowitz for now [01:12] schestowitz maybe in the future that will change [01:12] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/01/03/linux-kernel-code-of-conduct-committee/ [01:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundations Linux Kernel Code of Conduct (CoC) Committee is Now Officially Corporate | Techrights [01:13] schestowitz notice how LF now plays with Microsoft censorship platfform shithub though [01:13] schestowitz what they have sunk to [01:14] schestowitz Dear Microsoft, please please please please please, love, the Linux Foundation [01:30] XRevan86 https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb-1057-release-notes/ [01:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MariaDB 10.5.7 Release Notes - MariaDB Knowledge Base [01:42] *oarion7 has quit (Quit: Running IRC on a charmed medieval abacus.) [01:42] *oarion7 (~anonymous@unaffiliated/oarion7) has joined #techrights [01:57] *rianne__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:58] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Nov 06 [02:07] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [02:09] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [02:23] DaemonFC[m] The Green Party trolls not being on the ballot in Georgia will be Biden's victory margin and then some. [02:24] DaemonFC[m] He's going to be 2,000 or so votes ahead in the end at this rate. [02:28] schestowitz they are not "trolls" [02:28] schestowitz they're just not corporate stooges [02:29] schestowitz satellites of billionaires are more trolls than the Green Party [02:30] DaemonFC[m] It's impossible to argue that the Greens would have taken more than a couple thousand votes. Which is how far ahead Biden will likely be in the end. [02:31] DaemonFC[m] *Wouldn't [02:31] DaemonFC[m] So they would have given Georgia and 16 electoral votes to Trump had they been there and maybe 10 in Wisconsin too. [02:31] DaemonFC[m] Since their Republican lawyers failed to get them on the ballot, Trump lost. [02:33] DaemonFC[m] At the rate Georgia is busting out the count and where the remaining ballots are and how they have broken so far.... [02:33] XRevan86 The US system is so ridiculous opposition is by design evil [02:33] DaemonFC[m] Biden could lead by as much as 5,000 votes and the results could be in within 2 hours. [02:34] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [02:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:34] XRevan86 I've got to wonder why there's so much political tension [02:35] DaemonFC[m] 5,000 votes is very hard to undo with a recount, especially since the state has been counting at a deliberate pace to avoid a bad first count. [02:45] XRevan86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralism_(political_philosophy) this is the aspect that the US lacks on a level of basic electoral law. [02:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pluralism (political philosophy) - Wikipedia [02:46] oarion7 DaemonFC[m]: That's right wing misinformation re: green party on the ballots. Have you ever met a Green party voter who said they would have voted for the Democrat if the green party option weren't on the ballot? People who vote Green are choosing to vote their conscience and they tend, rightfully, not to vote otherwise [02:47] XRevan86 Not a pluralist democracy. A dualist one? [02:48] DaemonFC[m] In exit polls about half say they would have stayed home and about half said they would have voted for Clinton or Gore. [02:49] DaemonFC[m] Jill Stein caused Hillary to lose Michigan and then went partying with Putin. [02:52] oarion7 That's a good argument for rank-choice voting, I suppose [02:52] oarion7 I'd party with Putin too [02:55] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:55] XRevan86 "(04:09) oarion7: Doubtful the election will be resolved. We will either proceed with two presidents or a hopefully orderly dissolution of the United States into its component parts" [02:56] XRevan86 That's Luke Smith's bullshit, for the record. [02:56] oarion7 It's a good line [02:57] XRevan86 From someone who believes in conspiracies. [02:57] oarion7 Conspiracy to what? [02:57] oarion7 For someone who isn't a nationalist, might be more accurate [02:58] XRevan86 oarion7: I wish I remembered. His videos pop up on Invidious, so I watched some of them. A few months ago he posted a video with such juicy content I decided not to watch anything of his ever again. [02:59] oarion7 Did it strike you as mean spirited or derogatory? [02:59] oarion7 I have a limited tolerance for that too but I mostly like him ● Nov 06 [03:00] XRevan86 I watched his latest video on Balkanisation though, and I think this is crazy. He's that worked up not everyone supports Trump. [03:00] DaemonFC[m] In Putin's Russia, party unites you. [03:01] XRevan86 oarion7: It stroke me as conspirologist, like I said. [03:02] oarion7 Like he's plotting something? I don't get it [03:02] oarion7 Or thinks others are? [03:02] XRevan86 oarion7: Like he believes in Cultural Marxism or something similar. [03:03] XRevan86 The QAnon alley kind of guy is my impression of him. [03:06] oarion7 I get it now [03:06] oarion7 I never put him in that category [03:06] XRevan86 And the idea itself is quite something. The scenario I'm imagining is India/Pakistan. [03:09] XRevan86 oarion7: It's not that severe, but the vibe is there. [03:09] oarion7 In the US an appeal to federalism should be sufficient, but yeah he left that interpretation open [03:09] XRevan86 Oh he made it clear he wants a divorce. [03:10] oarion7 I agree with the general idea [03:10] oarion7 vis-a-vis states or regions at least makes sense [03:11] XRevan86 What he did leave open is how [03:11] XRevan86 Deport all white people over 40 to the South, the rest to the North and then split? [03:12] oarion7 I think that would be wrong. The India/Pakistan is a good appeal to make to me, because I resent the partition for sucking the Hinduism out of Islam in South Asia [03:12] oarion7 Boarding people up in busses and moving them around is insane. [03:13] XRevan86 oarion7: It's inevitable, there's no clear line that would divide the US into a Trump sector and a not-Trump sector. [03:14] XRevan86 Even if going more granular to the state level. [03:14] MinceR maybe an updated jesusland/USC divide [03:16] XRevan86 And a peaceful divorce is not a common thing, especially when the borders are not defined. Border disputes are inevitable, which means war. [03:18] XRevan86 The US is in some very deep shit, but this is not the solution. Unless you want to help my glorious master, then by all means. [03:19] XRevan86 He might invite to his party, who knows [03:21] MinceR are brain implants available for "republican" voters? [03:25] MinceR or perhaps an Ark of Truth [03:32] XRevan86 oarion7: If you really want to plant ideas near a water cooler, here's mine: the United States of America is not a proper democracy. It doesn't matter what the majority of the people think, these things only matter in democracies. [03:33] XRevan86 Even when taking into account bias towards smaller states, it's still the case. [03:35] XRevan86 It's really hard to game a democratic system, because there are just too many people to game. Luckily the US is not a democracy, so it becomes doable. [03:37] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [03:37] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-118.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [03:41] XRevan86 Without brainwashing at least. I'm just focusing on how the elections are designed. [03:45] *oarion7 has quit (Quit: Running IRC on a charmed medieval abacus.) ● Nov 06 [04:02] *drdogcow_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:03] XRevan86 With per-state votes counting Trump would've still won at 52.6% in 2016. [04:03] *drdogcow (~drunkendo@gateway/tor-sasl/drunkendogcowm/x-45413332) has joined #techrights [04:06] XRevan86 I.e. if it's still not a popular vote but voting with equal importance of all states, but the role of the electoral college institution is taken by a calculator for vastly improved precision. [04:11] XRevan86 The electoral college fascinates me as a complicated organisation which serves a function of a single person with a sheet of paper and a pen, except does that job with a bigger margin of error and is immeasurably more expensive. [04:12] MinceR and that function is to further distort an already broken election system [04:12] MinceR so useful! [04:16] XRevan86 MinceR: I mean making voting relative to a state. Which is arguably also not a good idea. [04:17] superkuh It is the principle idea of the united states of america. [04:17] XRevan86 superkuh: Relative voting or doing it poorly? [04:17] superkuh Having states be discrete voting entities. [04:20] MinceR States are people, my friend! [04:24] XRevan86 superkuh: If only they could send in the numbers instead of electors [04:26] superkuh Yes. That'd be sane. [04:27] XRevan86 I forgot to account for third parties. Trump would've gotten 48.57%, Hillary 44.55%. [04:28] XRevan86 So under a saner system there would've been a second tour. [04:33] XRevan86 When removing FPTP from the equation the picture starts to look a whole lot differently with or without popular vote. [04:35] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/l7zER51.mp4 [04:36] MinceR i've heard twitler might showcase another function of electors: corruptability [04:52] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [04:52] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights ● Nov 06 [05:39] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Nov 06 [06:19] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Nov 06 [07:18] schestowitz vZS1: Got our raspi4 set up. Will install extensions to it in days/weeks to come. [07:19] schestowitz I can add a user account with login credentials and further instructions [07:19] schestowitz for ifps [07:22] schestowitz [02:52] That's a good argument for rank-choice voting, I suppose [07:22] schestowitz two more states might soon go that way [07:22] schestowitz Mass and Alaska [07:23] schestowitz The local elections here are like that [07:23] schestowitz So Greens go on top, remaining slots can be red (Labour) [07:23] schestowitz This way you're very clear on what you def. do NOT want ● Nov 06 [08:22] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Support Richard Stallman, Jacob Appelbaum, and other good people! | https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/) [08:32] *notanamber (~luca@host-79-6-210-200.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [08:35] *cybrNaut has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [08:43] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:45] *inky (~inky@46.241.136.241) has joined #techrights ● Nov 06 [09:02] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [09:04] *inky (~inky@46.241.136.241) has joined #techrights [09:16] scientes http://we.easyelectronics.ru/plis/softovyy-phy-dlya-ethernet-10base-t.html [09:16] scientes wow [09:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-we.easyelectronics.ru | PHY Ethernet 10BASE-T / / EasyElectronics.ru [09:17] scientes and one port is all you need, because you can use different subnets to both send and recieve [09:27] schestowitz nice [09:29] scientes so unlike phone it doesn't look like you need any external eletrical equitment [09:30] scientes " [09:30] scientes The only thing between the Ethernet cable and the Altera FPGA (with some Verilog inside) is a pair of transformers and a couple of resistors. " [09:36] oiaohm scientes: https://www.eeweb.com/building-a-passive-ethernet-hub/ A basic hub at 10base-t is insanely simple. [09:36] oiaohm Complexity really starts at 100base-t [09:39] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [09:45] *tdemin has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [09:46] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@199.19.78.19) has joined #techrights [09:46] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [09:50] oiaohm scientes: Old land line phones the min connect circuit is a few very highly rated diodes. [09:51] oiaohm Block the high volatage. [09:51] oiaohm The fun of taking apart phone line bugs. [09:52] oiaohm Some of them have quite min circuits that work.. Ok not legal but work. [09:54] scientes oiaohm, yeah but you need that high-power ring [09:55] scientes oiaohm, does 100base-t actually use all 8 wires, or is that only 1gbit? [09:56] scientes oiaohm, but a FPGA can handle the complexity [09:56] scientes I believe only FPGAs can handle 100gbit/250gbit ethernet ● Nov 06 [10:00] scientes looks like a few 100gbit out there [10:00] scientes but this does 400 gbit https://www.xilinx.com/products/intellectual-property/em-di-400gemac.html [10:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xilinx.com | 400G Ethernet Subsystem [10:01] oiaohm scientes: 100Base-T is 4 wires. Its how come in countries where its legal you can put phone and 100base-T down the same cable. [10:01] scientes it wont go as far as phone [10:01] oiaohm Also how come you can split a cable in 2 for 100Base-T as well. [10:01] scientes but maybe it will [10:01] scientes "where it is legal" [10:01] scientes you mean where the AT&T mafiaa wont come after you? [10:01] oiaohm Here in Australia its techically illegal to put phone and data in the same cable. [10:02] oiaohm Its due to lighting risk. [10:02] scientes you mean you will have AT&T come with clubs to your house? [10:02] scientes "phone and data" [10:02] scientes there are the same damn thing [10:02] scientes have those ass-hats ever used dial-up? [10:03] scientes or fax [10:03] oiaohm When I say data I mean Base-T stuff [10:03] scientes or ASDL? [10:03] oiaohm The phone standards of Australia allow for the wires in the cable to techically melt. [10:03] scientes just had a fucking fuse [10:04] scientes its just a ass-hat mafiaa [10:04] scientes its the same reason phone service isn't free in places this equitment is put in [10:04] scientes and instead you get all that regan non-sense with "free if you kiss ass" [10:04] oiaohm ASDL modems have to be built to phone standards in Australia this includes passing taking a simulated lightning strike on the phone line port. [10:04] oiaohm And that is melt cable voltage. [10:04] scientes cause that equitment is obsolete, and making it free would increase its maintainability, not decrease it [10:05] scientes I was talking about this years ago [10:05] oiaohm Base-T stuff does not have to be rated that high. [10:05] scientes all that copper wire equitment needs to be siezed [10:05] scientes and implemented as free software solutions [10:05] scientes with free phone service [10:05] scientes and free ASDL and dial-up [10:05] *drdogcow_ (~drunkendo@gateway/tor-sasl/drunkendogcowm/x-45413332) has joined #techrights [10:06] scientes there is no other way to pay for its maintinance [10:06] scientes but if its free locals will maintain it [10:06] *drdogcow has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [10:07] scientes they will just attach it to the sewer/water maintinance team's duties [10:07] scientes et cetera [10:07] scientes the law is completely irrelevent [10:08] oiaohm scientes: https://villagetelco.org/ comes to mind when you say free phone service. [10:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-villagetelco.org | Village Telco [10:08] oiaohm Techically the village telco avoids the long runs of copper. [10:08] scientes years ago you already saw prices of ASDL drop way low [10:08] scientes because people wanted the faster DOCSIS connections [10:08] oiaohm Long runs of copper that normal old phone system has does have major risks of induction from lightning. [10:09] scientes the only way for that equitment to not just fail due to disrepair is to give it to the local utilities [10:09] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [10:09] scientes and dissolve all those AT&T assets [10:09] scientes and then launch a free software/open hardware ecosyste [10:09] oiaohm Heck even 100 Meter T-Base you shou7ld be added lightning protection. [10:09] scientes or ASDL/dial-up/phone-to-SIP gateways [10:09] scientes and now that you mention it, maybe even 100-base-t, but that is not critical [10:10] scientes get the other stuff working first, that we know works [10:11] scientes its also pretty cool, because it would provide a framework for pushing back against mass survainance [10:11] scientes as you could just call people's wired phones [10:12] scientes the AT&T monopoly makes these things horrible traps for bill cramming [10:12] scientes because they are trying to push you onto the systems that they control more [10:12] scientes mobile [10:12] scientes as mobile is the ONLY realm in the US that you don't get bill crammed [10:12] scientes it is so fucking corrupt [10:13] oiaohm villagetelco is using thing called mesh potato to make a wifi based mesh network. [10:14] scientes yeah, but the lower-tech stuff works [10:14] scientes the problem is that you have to sieze it from the AT&T mafiaa [10:14] oiaohm That avoids long cable.s [10:14] oiaohm Once you start running long cables then you start having to have stuff certified for valid safety reasons. [10:15] oiaohm In most countries. [10:15] scientes but those wires are already there! [10:15] oiaohm Yes but the hardware connect to them need to be lighting safe. [10:15] scientes these companies are so corrupt that they don't deserve to exist [10:15] oiaohm and maintained. [10:15] scientes and it totally fascist too [10:15] scientes there is no seperation between the government and the companies they are suppose to be regulating [10:15] oiaohm yes phone companies can valid be ass. [10:16] scientes but my point remains: the equitment is obsolete [10:16] oiaohm but its really simple to overlook the yearly cost in hardware replacement they have to. [10:16] scientes and the ONLY way to keep it maintained is to give it to the local utilities [10:16] scientes the companies have no interest in maintaining it [10:16] *vZS1 has quit (Quit: Quit) [10:16] scientes and you can't pay people enough for them to have interest in engineering obsolete technology [10:16] oiaohm If they don 't do maintaince over time lightning will take the hardware apart [10:16] scientes only free software can develop that interest [10:17] oiaohm using long copper. [10:17] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [10:17] scientes seriously [10:17] scientes you can't pay people enough to make them care [10:17] scientes and there is no reason to make money when the entire economy is so corrupt [10:17] oiaohm One of the most stupid things is lightning manages to screw up fiber optical glass cables as well. [10:17] scientes I lived that way for decades [10:17] scientes there was no reason to earn money in the "1st" world [10:17] oiaohm Long cables lightning is really not your friend. [10:18] scientes it is simply too corrupt to be worth having money [10:18] scientes it is a waste of time to have money [10:18] oiaohm So cost effective phone system for a village or equal is most likely best something radio. [10:18] scientes and the young generation has figured this out [10:18] oiaohm Low maintenance that route. [10:19] scientes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFyEa8gWopY [10:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Money Rain In Hong Kong | Chinese Bitcoin Millionaire Wong Ching Kit Gives Huge Money To Poor People - YouTube [10:19] scientes I think they threw this guy in prison [10:19] scientes because he makes the globalists look bad [10:19] oiaohm Really that is a stupid thing. [10:20] oiaohm Remember give a person a loaf of bread feed them for a day. Teach them to make bread feed them for a life time. This is a old saying. [10:20] scientes oiaohm, until you over-fish [10:21] scientes give a man a fish, that man now knows where to find fish :) [10:21] scientes teach a man to fish, you just destroyed your market base :) [10:21] oiaohm So throwing money at the poor uncontrolled very rarely does anything good because they normally don't have the knowledge to take advantage of it. [10:21] scientes oiaohm, you are totally missing the point [10:22] oiaohm Repeatly giving a poor person a fish who can never pay will never make you any profit either. [10:22] scientes oiaohm, yeah, but the globalists constantly make that mistake [10:22] scientes over and over and over again [10:22] scientes not in the "1st world", but I saw it enough times in Peru to make me sick [10:22] scientes as is said "you can't juice a turnip", but that doesn't mean they don't try [10:22] oiaohm Also giving a person a fish who does not know how to prep it properly can be way to kill them. [10:23] oiaohm The importance of any aid is that it comes with knowledge. [10:23] oiaohm If you give a person a fish and teach them how to cook it properly they may buy more fish because they are selling the cooked product. [10:24] scientes I am sure XRevan86 has seen some juicing of turnips [10:25] oiaohm scientes: https://www.stylecraze.com/articles/amazing-benefits-of-turnip-juice/ << Yep people do juice turnips. [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stylecraze.com | 19 Amazing Benefits of Turnip Juice [10:25] scientes although in Russia in the 90s this often came at the expensive of people's ability to feed themselves, IIUI [10:25] scientes so it has a bitter taste [10:25] scientes IIUC [10:25] scientes > In Turkey, Turnip juice is the national drink. [10:26] scientes hmmm, I need to taste that, because that is the idiom [10:26] oiaohm That turns out not to be true [10:26] scientes https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/you+can%27t+squeeze+blood+from+a+turnip [10:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-idioms.thefreedictionary.com | You can't squeeze blood from a turnip - Idioms by The Free Dictionary [10:27] oiaohm The blood bit. [10:27] oiaohm Turnip juice is one of the items that help to provide what you body needs to recover from blood loss. [10:27] *scientes needs to try turnip juice [10:28] scientes oiaohm, ahhh, so it has iron? [10:28] oiaohm No [10:28] oiaohm I said one. [10:28] oiaohm Other parts of the blood not the red cells. [10:28] scientes spinach is the iron supplament [10:29] oiaohm https://www.dailyiron.net/turnips/ are not absolute horrible on iron content. [10:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailyiron.net | Iron Content of Turnips | Daily Iron [10:32] oiaohm spinach is 0.8mg iron and the raw Turnips are 0.6mg The juice is higher than raw spinach. Both are really badly short on when you need a quick shot of iron to recover from red blood cell loss. [10:32] oiaohm Turnips are higher in other parts your body need to replace the white part the immune cells. [10:33] oiaohm Of course after blood loss you are going to have lost quite a few of them as well. [10:33] scientes oiaohm, when I was in La Paz I was eating a hamburger a day to put on blood [10:34] scientes not because of any loss, but just due to high altitude [10:35] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Deep Concerns About the Death of Free Speech in the Free Software Community http://techrights.org/2020/11/06/my-deep-concerns-coc/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/9e76c050-8377-4f67-bbeb-4622fc98b995] [10:35] scientes you can't make cyanocobalmin [10:35] scientes which contains cobalt [10:35] scientes you have to eat it [10:36] scientes > The only organisms to produce vitamin B12 are certain bacteria and archaea. [10:37] scientes > Bacteria are found on plants that herbivores eat; they are taken into the animals' digestive system, proliferate and form part of their permanent gut flora, producing vitamin B12 internally.[2] [10:39] scientes > [10:39] scientes The neurologic symptoms of vitamin B12 deficiency include numbness and tingling of the hands and, more commonly, the feet; difficulty walking; memory loss; disorientation; and dementia with or without mood changes. Although the progression of neurologic complications is generally gradual, such symptoms may not be reversed with treatment of vitamin B12 deficiency, especially if they have been present for a long time. [10:39] oiaohm Not quite. https://academic.oup.com/jn/article-abstract/67/4/623/4775595 Turnip is one fo these wacky plants. Grown in some areas it has B12 grown in others it does not. [10:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-academic.oup.com | Studies of Vitamin B12 in Turnip Greens | The Journal of Nutrition | Oxford Academic [10:40] oiaohm So where you Turnip comes from is important. [10:42] scientes https://web.archive.org/web/20191029030049/https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/vitamin-B12 [10:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Vitamin B12 | Linus Pauling Institute | Oregon State University [10:42] scientes table 2 \ [10:42] scientes clams have insane levels of b12 (Cobalt) [10:44] scientes i bet that chicken only have very low levels cause it is one of those holocaust-condition chickens [10:44] scientes I ate an egg the other day that had feathers on it [10:44] scientes you can't but eggs like that in "1st world" countries [10:46] oiaohm Lot of plant base B12 is highly variable between zero to insane amounts not based on DNA but based on where it grown and with what microbies.. [10:47] scientes yes [10:47] scientes that is why they stopped measuring nutients of vegatables in the US and elsewhere [10:47] scientes because they didn't want any evidence that capital goods could be of varying quality [10:47] scientes anything that could disrupt the operations of the globalists [10:48] oiaohm Its more complex than that. [10:48] scientes but they use to have lots of statistics [10:48] scientes and now you are only suppose to use the "reference" numbers [10:48] scientes which are non-sense for carrots for example [10:48] oiaohm You can go from insane B12 to none from 2 plants 1 foot part. [10:49] oiaohm So you cannot just test sample from a properity and make a base line either. [10:49] scientes https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.wsimag.com%2Fattachments%2F84f4f8582179f0659c6530a846ec95c4e11d697b%2Fstore%2Ffill%2F860%2F645%2F450d18e62d7ad613ec450bdea24317a2efb8dd3769cbf70a873fd47d8c80%2FPurple-Carrot.jpg&f=1&nofb=1 [10:49] scientes why did they switch to orange? [10:50] scientes because the purple look too much like turnips? [10:51] oiaohm Its stupid political https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/carrots-are-orange-for-an-entirely-political-reason/2011/09/09/gIQAfayiFK_blog.html [10:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Are carrots orange for political reasons? - The Washington Post [10:51] oiaohm Carrots did not swap to orange people way back in history orange was one of the many colors of carrots that existed. Then it got policial and the other carrot types dropped out for favour. [10:52] scientes After forcing the reigning descendent of William of Orange to leave the Hague, the Patriots declared that orange was the color of sedition...carrots sold with their roots too conspicuously showing were deemed provocative, [10:52] scientes that is friggen awesome [10:53] scientes those sexy root vegatables OOOO [10:54] oiaohm Of course some parties kept on growing the other carrorts and this is why we have historic seed sellers still able to provide them. [10:54] scientes http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/history.html [10:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.carrotmuseum.co.uk | History of Carrots - A brief summary and timeline [10:54] scientes look how they are all thick carrots [10:54] scientes the long and slender carrots must have come later [10:55] scientes http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/history5.html [10:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.carrotmuseum.co.uk | Carrots - The Road to Domestication and the Colour orange [10:55] scientes ooo colors [10:56] scientes > The commonly accepted reason why the ancients preferred orange and yellow carrots over the prevailing purple was because the purple turned the cooking utensils purple and the cooking water a muddy colour. This is because the pigment in orange carrots is fat soluble, whereas the purple is water soluble. Apparently historic humans just liked the way yellow and orange carrots looked and cooked better than purple ones. Is it possible that this [10:56] scientes is one question best answered by people, rather than the genetic research into carrots. (examples of art work here) [10:56] scientes wow http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/art1.html [10:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.carrotmuseum.co.uk | Carrots depicted in Fine Art Works [10:56] scientes beautiful dutch paintings [10:57] scientes this stuff is fascinating! [10:57] oiaohm Notice most of that art work is the orange ones. [10:58] oiaohm So if you are rich never seen a carrot before and had seen the art you would be expecting orange right. [10:58] oiaohm This is where the policial comes into it. [10:58] oiaohm then you have disease resistance breeding on top the politiical. [10:59] scientes http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/art/vashootlager.jpg [10:59] oiaohm Welcome todays age of mostly booring carrot colours. [10:59] scientes oh that dutch golden age [10:59] scientes oiaohm, purple is probably most expensive paint too [10:59] scientes not as expensive as cobalt blue, but expensive ● Nov 06 [11:00] oiaohm Yep that the other part of the proble, [11:01] oiaohm People don't think of the fact that some of those old paintings were very fancy versions of merchant signs. [11:01] oiaohm Of course costs on making the signs has effected our products. [11:02] oiaohm I have a lemon variety I like. One catch the fruit shape is round. [11:02] scientes oiaohm, https://imgur.com/a/RBdOv04 [11:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet [11:02] oiaohm Of course if you try to sell a perfectly round lemon most people don't want to buy it. [11:03] scientes oiaohm, valencia lemons are perfectly round [11:03] scientes they are also much tastier than that store-bought sthit [11:03] oiaohm Exactly. [11:03] scientes although here in Georgia it works different [11:03] scientes so I don't even know how it works in "developed" countries [11:04] oiaohm I have a non grafted Valencia lemon growing basically bonsai in a 100L pot [11:04] oiaohm Every year I saw of 1/3 of its roots. [11:04] oiaohm of/off [11:05] scientes what is the limit of x/3 ? [11:05] oiaohm That tree has been passed down 4 generations now. [11:05] scientes (2/3)x [11:05] scientes as x approaches infinity [11:06] oiaohm Every year its regrown the roots and refilled the pot. [11:06] scientes i know but i am being a smart-ass [11:06] oiaohm Its over 100 year old tree and crops every year. [11:07] scientes last supper carrot http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/art/stavronlge.jpg [11:07] *kingoffrance has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [11:07] scientes oh, horseraddish [11:09] oiaohm That the other thing being a closer color to horseraddish helped some areas that did not have historic carrots to try carrots. [11:10] oiaohm Lot of our historic food choices are not based on what are good for us. [11:10] oiaohm More based on political and what was fashionable. [11:12] oiaohm scientes: I have 3 citrus bonsai. Lemon, Lime and Blood Orange, [11:12] oiaohm And they do cause a yearly work out. [11:12] scientes the valencia lemon is by far the tasiest [11:13] oiaohm The lime is Kaffir lime [11:13] oiaohm So the leaves and fruit are usable. [11:13] scientes oiaohm, you know what the word means right? [11:14] scientes oh nvm [11:14] scientes guess it appears in a number of languages [11:15] scientes and I wasn't even thinking of the south african slur.... [11:15] scientes I was thinking of the arabic slur [11:16] oiaohm Problem I have call it "makrut lime" and most people don't know it. [11:16] scientes I don't think i have had that [11:16] scientes very small [11:17] oiaohm Makrut line and Kaffir lime is exactly the same thing. [11:17] oiaohm line/lime [11:17] scientes or maybe [11:17] scientes there is only one common lime I have had [11:17] scientes and then there is that artificial lime they use on doritos, which is completely different [11:17] oiaohm Kaffir lime name is that old we don't even know where it comes. It predates the slur usage. [11:17] scientes i was thinking the arabic word [11:18] *kingoffrance (~x@2601:681:8200:b890::e88d) has joined #techrights [11:18] scientes which is similar to infidel [11:18] oiaohm Its pre appearing in arabic its appears in asian languages first. [11:18] oiaohm Is old. [11:18] scientes but more like unlawful [11:19] oiaohm Nicked is close [11:19] oiaohm It was that good people would nick it basically. [11:20] oiaohm Kaffir lime is your common rough skinned lime. [11:21] oiaohm Lot of markets the smooth skin limes are more common because you can pack more per box. [11:21] oiaohm also don't taste as good. [11:29] oiaohm scientes: smooth skin limes there are about 7 common different sold that look basically identical. [11:29] oiaohm Lot of people have eaten a lot more different citrus than they think. [11:30] scientes I like the small little oranges [11:30] scientes the tiny ones [11:30] scientes i don't think they are oranges [11:30] scientes the ones where you eat the whole thing [11:30] scientes ssd that costs more than a laptop https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089C3TZL9/ [11:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazon.com: SAMSUNG 870 QVO SATA III 2.5" SSD 8TB (MZ-77Q8T0B): Computers & Accessories [11:40] scientes https://www.dramexchange.com/ [11:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DRAMeXchange - World leading DRAM and NAND Flash market research firm, with more than a decade of most authoritative database [11:40] scientes apartment 512Gb is only $5 [11:40] scientes so why is there so much money in putting it in a case? [11:41] scientes the microSD card prices are pretty good [11:52] scientes > Fake 256GB SD Card, real capacity=32GB,everything written past 32 is unreadable [11:52] scientes ok, as expected [11:53] scientes that is the problem with microSD [11:55] scientes also, why did 1tb+ sd cards never come out? [11:57] scientes yeah, the price is the same as SSDs and SSD have better quality ● Nov 06 [12:02] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Massachusetts passes right to repair law to open up car data http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144079 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ed3a5ba7-5134-4b31-8fc2-c2cb44f2e1e0] [12:04] oiaohm scientes: quite a few you can eat hole. The one I like the most for eating Australian native sunrise lime. Only one problem I have a really early Cirso cultivar. So the bugger has 1.5 inch thorns. [12:05] oiaohm So fruit nice but the avoid the thorns is time consuming. [12:06] oiaohm scientes: You might be thinking of cumquat [12:06] scientes ahh yes [12:06] scientes cumquats are tasty [12:06] scientes its because they are cold-hardy [12:07] oiaohm Australian Sunrise Lime is a hybrid of the finger lime and a calamondin (cross between a mandarin and cumquat) << The CSIRO cross. [12:07] oiaohm Getting a early cultivar you get them for free. [12:07] oiaohm Of course you run a risk of a few problems. Like 1.5 inch thorns. [12:08] scientes > inch [12:08] scientes i thought australia used the metric system? [12:08] oiaohm We should but we still have to know imperial for pipe work. [12:09] scientes pipes here are all metric [12:09] oiaohm we have some pipes that are metric we have some pipes that are imperial. [12:09] oiaohm Also we have screws like in imperal and bolts in metric [12:09] oiaohm and other stupid things like that. [12:10] scientes nice [12:10] scientes frakenscrews [12:11] scientes in the US you end up building a house with half-imperial and half-metric lumber [12:11] scientes happens all the time [12:11] scientes its only 2% different [12:11] scientes actually a little bit more as it is the pre-finish size [12:12] oiaohm We have a parallel imports laws. [12:12] scientes the US applies a massive tariff on canadian lumber [12:12] oiaohm It does not help that 2x4 is not it measurement. [12:12] scientes 2"x4" pre-finish [12:12] scientes so like 1.5"x3.5" [12:12] scientes and then the metric version of that [12:12] scientes where 2.54==1" [12:12] scientes except its 2.4~==1" [12:12] oiaohm Metric mesurements here are what it is. [12:13] scientes *2.5~=1" [12:13] scientes yeah, its a little smaller [12:13] oiaohm So you normally avoid imperial timber like the plague. [12:13] scientes but US lumber is actually in imperial [12:13] scientes in the US you just build your house with half-and-half and call it good [12:13] oiaohm A 2x4 in Australia can be like 8 different sizes. [12:14] oiaohm Here you avoid imperial timber. [12:14] scientes so what are the names? [12:14] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Dell Adds Hardware Privacy Drivers to Linux Kernel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144078 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d0c61a7c-0056-4284-85aa-f02d70d4a277] [12:14] scientes are they not still imperial names? [12:14] scientes canadian lumber is metric with imperial names [12:15] oiaohm imperial names means made in a saw mil here using imperial mesurements and they don't have uniform finishing cut down values. [12:15] scientes hmm, canadian is very conformist as the lumber industry is tightly tied to the government [12:15] scientes except for those high US tariffs [12:16] oiaohm Metric is the newer big mills in Australia. [12:16] oiaohm The imperial can be like your personal portable mils that may not be perfectly calibrated as well. [12:16] oiaohm So basically imperial timber here equals do you fell lucky. [12:17] scientes does Australia even have much timber? [12:17] scientes I thought it was mostly dessert [12:17] scientes and New Zealand would have more lumber [12:17] oiaohm You are forgoting Australia is roughly the size of the USA mainland. [12:18] scientes huh, another case of the brits stealing dutch colonies [12:18] scientes except they forgot to rename that one [12:18] scientes oiaohm, except far less biodiverse [12:18] oiaohm New Zealand total land area is about 1/20 of Australian forests. [12:18] scientes yes, I know Australia is huge [12:19] oiaohm Yes desert is the dominate thing but that does not mean we have small useless amount of forest. [12:20] oiaohm Items like bluegum forest are really fast regrowth. [12:20] oiaohm Fun timber to work with. [12:20] scientes eucalyptus [12:20] scientes considered a weed in california [12:21] scientes quite prone to fine because of the bark [12:21] scientes *fire [12:25] scientes https://web.archive.org/web/20160127214859/https://www.sandisk.com/home/memory-cards/sd-cards/extremepro-sd-uhs-i [12:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | SanDisk Extreme PRO SDHC/SDXC UHS-I Memory Card [12:26] scientes x-ray proof [12:26] scientes oh, that is why they have you put your laptop seperate at the airport [12:26] scientes because they were erasing people's data [12:26] oiaohm remember eucalyptus is native trees here. [12:27] scientes ahh, that makes a difference [12:27] oiaohm Pine forest as canabara Australia found out could make eucalyptus look like a minor proble, [12:27] oiaohm problem. [12:27] scientes bamboo [12:27] scientes horrible stuff [12:28] scientes bamboo==evil [12:28] oiaohm Bamboo is less of a fire hazard than a poorly maintained pine forest. [12:28] scientes yeah but it has zero biodiversity [12:28] scientes and it spreads like cancer [12:28] oiaohm Not exactly true. [12:28] scientes OK bamboo+pandas [12:28] scientes two species [12:29] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi 400 - a complete personal computer, built into a compact keyboard http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143919#comment-27072 [https://pleroma.site/objects/677fd9ed-cfbb-46d4-acbb-c3ec7cf031d5] [12:29] oiaohm I have worked on a properity with over 2000 versions of bamboo. [12:29] scientes two completely worthless species [12:29] oiaohm Quite afew Australian natives love eating it. [12:29] oiaohm So depends where. [12:29] scientes the world would be much better off without pandas [12:29] oiaohm Kangaroos eat off the young shoots of bamboo. [12:30] scientes all the endangered cats are way more interesting than those lame pandas [12:30] scientes they an do things besides eat [12:30] oiaohm I would guess bamboo growing in Australia has more biodervisity than anywhere else. [12:30] schestowitz you can keep both [12:30] schestowitz just keep humans from expansion to every place and mining the rest [12:31] oiaohm Lot of Australian small rodent class creatures like it. That then means really dangerous Australian snakes like it. [12:32] scientes I think the chinese like pandas because its like the concept of that place where you do nothing but eat to your hearts content [12:32] oiaohm Australia is not exactly a place where you like areas of high biodiversity as a human. As it normally equals area with highly toxic stuff. [12:33] scientes china will invade australia if they don't drill all the way to the center of the earth [12:34] oiaohm If you look at plants and think Australian soliders are trained to use them. Invading Australia by force is a really bad idea. [12:35] scientes god damn, I can't find that name of the heaven where you eat and eat and eat [12:35] oiaohm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide_moroides who need torturer's. [12:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Dendrocnide moroides - Wikipedia [12:37] scientes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockaigne [12:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cockaigne - Wikipedia [12:37] scientes Specifically, in poems like The Land of Cockaigne, it is a land of contraries, where all the restrictions of society are defied (abbots beaten by their monks), sexual liberty is open (nuns flipped over to show their bottoms), and food is plentiful (skies that rain cheese). [12:38] scientes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Land_of_Cockaigne_(Bruegel)#/media/File:Pieter_Bruegel_d._%C3%84._037.jpg [12:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Land of Cockaigne (Bruegel) - Wikipedia [12:38] oiaohm There are some very creative toxic things in Australia like water that if you don't know what it is you will keep on feeling thirsty and die from excess hydration. [12:39] scientes oiaohm, there is a cool machine that makes chlorine from salt [12:40] oiaohm This is spring water. [12:40] oiaohm In particular areas. [12:41] oiaohm So no machinary required. This is the problem with invading Australia there are stacks of different 100 percent natural weapons. [12:41] scientes these things are overpriced however [12:41] scientes https://www.amazon.com/Pentair-520555-IntelliChlor-Chlorine-Generator/dp/B004VU89XA/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=chlorine%2Bgenerator&sr=8-3&th=1 [12:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazon.com: Pentair 521105 IntelliChlor IC60 Salt Chlorine Generator Cell (US Version): Garden & Outdoor [12:43] scientes https://www.amazon.com/Aqua-Research-Global-Water-Purifier/dp/B07HHNSLS1/ [12:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazon.com : Aqua Research H2gO Global Water Disinfectant Generator : Sports & Outdoors [12:43] scientes shows that the pool ones are over-priced [12:43] scientes but these one's are designed so that you cannot replace the over-priced units with it [12:44] scientes but I have one of these and they are pretty handy [12:44] scientes means you can drink that jungle water [12:44] scientes as long as it doesn't have heavy metals [12:45] oiaohm Or any of the chemicals that will cause you to over drink water. [12:45] oiaohm As chlorine does not alter those chemicals. [12:46] oiaohm It is correct that the pool ones are expensive its also fiarly cheap to make a uncontrolled chlorine generator. [12:46] oiaohm Note the key difference is is controled vs uncontrolled. [12:46] oiaohm There is such thing as making way way too much chlorine. [12:46] scientes yeah but that $100 one is controlled [12:48] oiaohm No that cheaper one is not controlled. You set the amount you need for the number of L and it generates. [12:48] oiaohm So yes you can screw that up badly. [12:48] scientes it generates exactly the amount you ask for [12:48] oiaohm The pool one is monitoring and calculating how much to add. [12:49] scientes not less and not more [12:49] *tdemin (~tdemin@2a03:1ac0:6dc3:9367::2) has joined #techrights [12:49] oiaohm So not based on X number of L but on flow rate. [12:49] scientes (it will tell you if you do not have enough salt to do it) [12:49] scientes it works very well [12:49] oiaohm There is quite a lot more complex monitoring stuff in the pool version. [12:50] scientes yeah, but it does measure the salt molarity [12:50] oiaohm Its not the generator that is that expensive. [12:50] oiaohm And the current chloorine level. [12:50] scientes probably only the electrical conduction [12:50] scientes well I tell you that think works well [12:50] oiaohm and if it should be apply electricity to convert the salt or not. [12:50] scientes and given that chroline has a distinct smell, I think you won't screw it up bad [12:51] scientes you can get a sense of the concentration just by the smell [12:51] scientes that thing is awesome [12:51] scientes and very portable [12:51] scientes and it works were all the other purifier do not [12:52] oiaohm scientes: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.3109/15563659509028921 Pool ones are a little more dangorous. [12:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tandfonline.com | [12:52] oiaohm As in if they run a much hello explosion. [12:52] scientes except for cases where only distillation only works [12:52] oiaohm much/muck [12:52] scientes yeah, but this one is only operated by human [12:52] scientes so you do not have that runaway concentration problem [12:52] oiaohm No the automated pool ones can screw up as well. [12:53] oiaohm Reason why the need to be checked. [12:53] scientes yeah, but this dods not have that problem [12:53] scientes as it is human operated [12:53] oiaohm and reason why you don't want cheaply built. [12:53] scientes anyways, people that think they need their own pools are the problem [12:54] scientes not the other way around [12:54] oiaohm Remember to make the salt to chroline you are performing a form of electrolysis. Of course if that goes wrong you can split the water and have pockets of hydrogen and oxgen. Add a spark out. [12:54] oiaohm out/ouch [12:54] oiaohm So they are a device that better be made right. [12:54] scientes that is something I would always prefer to have a public pool maintainer handle [12:55] scientes also only way to swim in an olympic pool [12:55] oiaohm I have seen public pool have their salt based chroline system explode. [12:55] scientes as the shorter ones are way less easy to excercise in [12:55] oiaohm There is a reason why a Lot of public pools add chroline as chroline not as salt and convert. [12:56] oiaohm Salt and convert little bit of incorrect mantance hello big boom. [12:57] oiaohm Its not exactly that the pool devices are over priced. They are not the simplest to make safely. [12:58] oiaohm Of course not being simple to make safe means limited competition as quite a few new vendors end up out the game in a year or two due to screwing it up. 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[21:31] MinceR :> [21:39] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc27:8c00:9d78:8894:8f6f:9e9d) has joined #techrights [21:41] *inky (~inky@5.77.137.242) has joined #techrights [21:44] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [21:57] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The #Microsoft Bear Hug http://techrights.org/2020/11/06/free-microsoft-hugs/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [https://pleroma.site/objects/2bb6cb09-be87-464e-a956-554ed3a67edf] ● Nov 06 [22:28] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [22:55] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) ● Nov 06 [23:04] *DaElf (~DaElf@50-35-186-133.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net) has joined #techrights [23:04] schestowitz hi DaemonFC[m] [23:04] schestowitz how are you settling in? [23:04] schestowitz DaElf: hello [23:05] DaElf Sup Doc? [23:05] schestowitz wabbits [23:05] MinceR greetings, mortal [23:07] DaElf To be fair, I haven't logged into FreeNode in nearly two years intil I saw schestowitz post on Mastodon and at the bottom saw the IRC thingy and thought ... nooo. [23:07] DaElf But Yes. [23:08] DaElf Turned out I needed to set up a client on my phone anyway, so alls well that ends well. [23:09] schestowitz twitter is so much better [23:09] schestowitz you get banned [23:09] schestowitz and you see "trending" misinformation [23:10] schestowitz AND IT'S FREE! [23:10] schestowitz just published http://techrights.org/2020/11/06/contact-tracing-poem/ [23:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Contact-Tracing/Data-Trading Poem | Techrights [23:11] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Did I mention the library? [23:12] DaemonFC[m] I went there earlier and proceeded to the bookshelf and they demanded to see my license and I told them "Why? I'm just in a public library.". [23:12] DaemonFC[m] They said "We have to know everyone who comes in and out of here in case there's an issue with the Coronavirus.". [23:13] DaemonFC[m] I said, "No, I don't provide any information to those people.". [23:13] DaemonFC[m] And this black guy was a little too eager to make something racist of that and he says "Those people!?". [23:13] schestowitz license? [23:13] schestowitz what does it mean [23:13] schestowitz ? [23:14] schestowitz like driver's licence [23:14] DaemonFC[m] I said, "The goddamned health department. I don't want to be on their list. I don't want to be on any Coronavirus list. No thank you. Please validate my parking so that I may leave.". [23:14] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [23:14] DaemonFC[m] Driver's license. [23:14] schestowitz if they ask for your firstname and home number, fair enough [23:14] DaemonFC[m] So he goes "I'm not validating your parking unless you show me your ID.". [23:14] schestowitz they might even do it with pen and paper [23:14] schestowitz and not know your full name [23:15] schestowitz or just give them the landline number [23:15] DaemonFC[m] I said, "Well I'm not leaving until you validate it and if I was infected I will be in here breathing that much longer, so you may validate it or you may have me standing here longer, your choice, but you don't get to see my driver's license.". [23:15] schestowitz not entered into a digital device [23:16] schestowitz asking people to wear a mask is perfectly reasonable [23:16] DaemonFC[m] I said, "Or you can call the police. I'll wait. It'll take them half an hour to get down here and then not do anything, and I'll be in here breathing. Haven't done anything illegal.". [23:16] schestowitz demanding ID is not, unless you board a plane or did something illegal [23:16] DaemonFC[m] So he validated my parking because by that point the other lady was like "Just validate it so he'll leave.". [23:16] DaemonFC[m] This is 1984, Roy. [23:17] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/06/contact-tracing-poem/ [23:17] DaemonFC[m] I called the library and really let into them over that. [23:17] schestowitz this isn't 1983 [23:17] schestowitz it's poo [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Contact-Tracing/Data-Trading Poem | Techrights [23:17] schestowitz *1984 [23:17] DaemonFC[m] I said, the fact that it escapes them means they need to read some of their own books. [23:17] schestowitz you should be able to read anonymously too [23:17] schestowitz at the library [23:17] schestowitz knowledge is "essential" [23:17] schestowitz almost like food is [23:17] schestowitz no conditions on access to literature [23:31] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, which is why I see nothing wrong with pirating books. You could read a copy from a library and they don't make more money than they do if you pirate it. [23:31] DaemonFC[m] But with the pirated copy, nobody knows you're the one reading it. [23:32] DaemonFC[m] So it's much better than Overdrive. [23:35] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [23:39] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: can you read a draft with me? [23:39] schestowitz it's about biden [23:43] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. Sorry. Had to switch to the phone. The hotspot isn't so reliable. [23:43] schestowitz here goes http://techrights.org/2020/11/06/watchtroll-own-goal/ [23:43] DaemonFC[m] Should have home internet next Tuesday. [23:43] schestowitz fast [23:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Patent Maximalists: We Love Criminals and Rapists as Presidents | Techrights [23:45] CrystalMath what exactly are obama-era IP principles? [23:46] schestowitz calling out trolls [23:46] schestowitz scotus ruling in Alice [23:46] schestowitz not actually Obama [23:46] schestowitz but Justices [23:47] CrystalMath hmm [23:47] CrystalMath yeah they don't need to worry about that [23:47] CrystalMath the US will continue to have abysmal copyright and patent laws [23:47] DaemonFC[m] Lobbying platforms should be lobbying platform. [23:48] *oarion7 (~anonymous@unaffiliated/oarion7) has joined #techrights [23:50] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:52] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: corrected, thanks [23:53] CrystalMath i have a question for you schestowitz [23:53] schestowitz ok, go ahead [23:54] CrystalMath if Milton Freedman suddenly appeared and became the candidate for president, and you could vote for him [23:54] CrystalMath would you? [23:54] schestowitz why would I? [23:54] schestowitz the man did a lot of harm [23:54] CrystalMath how so? [23:54] schestowitz both corporate parties embrace this dangerous ideaology [23:54] CrystalMath he did a lot of good [23:54] schestowitz which boils down to, let plutocrats do anything they wish [23:54] schestowitz inc. take over the government [23:55] schestowitz ask latin americans how much "good" he did [23:55] CrystalMath i'm not aware of his involved in latin america [23:55] CrystalMath *imvolvement [23:55] CrystalMath *involvement [23:55] schestowitz school of chicago [23:55] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school_of_economics [23:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chicago school of economics - Wikipedia [23:56] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school_of_economics#Milton_Friedman [23:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chicago school of economics - Wikipedia [23:57] schestowitz " [23:57] schestowitz Finally, the school also has been criticized for training economists who advised the libertarian Chilean military junta during the 1970s and 1980s. While they were credited with transforming Chile into Latin America's best performing economy (see Miracle of Chile) with GDP per capita increasing from US$693 at the start of 1975 (the year Milton Friedman met with dictator Augusto Pinochet; ninth highest of 12 South American countries) to [23:57] schestowitz $14,528 by the end of 2014 (the second highest in South America).[74] [23:57] schestowitz In the years since the reforms were introduced, the economic system implemented by the "Chicago Boys" (a label given to this group of economists) have mostly remained in place.[75] The percent of total income earned by the richest 20% of the Chilean population in 2006 was 56.8%, while the percent of total income earned by the poorest 20% of the Chilean population was 4.1%, leaving a strong middle class earning 39.1% of total income.[76 [23:57] schestowitz Chile's Gini index (measure of income distribution) was 52.0 in 2006, compared to 24.7 of Denmark (most equally distributed) and 74.3 of Namibia (most unequally distributed).[76] Chile has the widest inequality gap of any nation in the OECD.[77] [23:57] schestowitz A film titled Chicago Boys, which had a highly critical view of the economic reforms, was released in Chile in November 2015.[78] [23:57] schestowitz " [23:58] CrystalMath Pinochet was awful before Freedman, and Freedman cannot be blamed for him coming to power [23:58] CrystalMath instead, what Freedman did, was in fact transform Chile from a fascist dictatorship to a free libertarian state [23:59] CrystalMath maybe that required talking to a murderer, but it ended well, especially after Pinochet left gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-061120.txt

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